| 00:00.47 | kgoetz | grin. now i run with -test and the packages are reported missing. so they went from there to not-there in < 15 seconds |
| 00:02.49 | *** join/#openmoko HellDragon (n=jd@modemcable234.136-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 00:04.01 | kd8ikt | i bet your girlfriend thinks your afraid of commitment |
| 00:04.10 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 00:04.19 | *** join/#openmoko retracile (n=eli@76-204-213-211.lightspeed.allntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:04.23 | *** join/#openmoko hd (n=jd@modemcable234.136-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 00:06.03 | kgoetz | :o |
| 00:06.16 | kgoetz | girlfriend? whats that? :P |
| 00:06.24 | zash | kgoetz: boobs |
| 00:06.35 | zash | or, 3d porn |
| 00:06.35 | kgoetz | zash: aaah. |
| 00:06.37 | zash | :D |
| 00:06.47 | kgoetz | hehe |
| 00:07.28 | LittleIdiot | they're like those dolls... but they are... WAAARM! ;) |
| 00:07.50 | LittleIdiot | gaah, sorry - i really should go to bed ;) |
| 00:08.10 | kd8ikt | i just woke up like 2 hrs ago |
| 00:08.14 | kd8ikt | Mon Aug 4 20:08:22 EDT 2008 |
| 00:08.26 | kd8ikt | lil late in the day |
| 00:08.41 | kgoetz | lol |
| 00:08.51 | kd8ikt | and trying to compile qtopia's snapshot is failing |
| 00:09.00 | kgoetz | i woke up two hrs ago (ish), but right end of the day |
| 00:09.57 | rooly | jeeze |
| 00:10.11 | rooly | ok, i know that openmoko isn't designed to be a developement platform |
| 00:10.19 | kd8ikt | http://faggotyelves.ytmnd.com/ |
| 00:10.30 | *** join/#openmoko playya_ (n=playya@p579B8F48.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:10.30 | rooly | but still, why does automake have to be so faggoty and require so many libs |
| 00:11.22 | *** join/#openmoko russellb_ (n=russellb@asterisk/developer-and-stable-maintainer/drumkilla) |
| 00:13.15 | *** join/#openmoko Tig| (n=user@82.153.215.237) |
| 00:13.29 | *** join/#openmoko cnwdup_ (n=harlekin@hnvr-4dbd4024.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 00:14.59 | Tig| | can I just give a random report that with the FSO milestone2 I had a fix in tangogps in around 50 seconds in a moving vehicle |
| 00:15.43 | *** join/#openmoko no7 (n=dk@krlh-5d854715.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 00:17.02 | *** join/#openmoko russellb (n=russellb@user-24-214-112-81.knology.net) |
| 00:17.34 | *** join/#openmoko greentux_ (n=lemke@Z7c95.z.pppool.de) |
| 00:18.18 | *** join/#openmoko russellb (n=russellb@asterisk/developer-and-stable-maintainer/drumkilla) |
| 00:20.31 | kd8ikt | anyone know where a latest qtopia precompiled image is? |
| 00:20.39 | kd8ikt | nt have to build it myself |
| 00:22.21 | stephelton | no usb0 device was provisioned for me when i plugged my OM in... is that perhaps because it's through a usb hub? |
| 00:23.12 | *** join/#openmoko SuN (n=SuN@ip5652ade4.speed.planet.nl) |
| 00:23.46 | GirlRiver | can anyone point me to the latest FSO image ? can't locate it on the wiki |
| 00:25.52 | *** join/#openmoko p0seid0n_ (n=poseidon@Xc997.x.pppool.de) |
| 00:26.45 | retracile | (hopefully) quick question: how do I determine which uboot version matches my FR? |
| 00:27.43 | *** join/#openmoko chomwitt (n=aliosa@82.197.121.86) |
| 00:27.56 | *** join/#openmoko cnwdup (n=harlekin@hnvr-4dbd4024.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 00:28.53 | kgoetz | (09:01:44) kd8ikt: GirlRiver: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080804/ |
| 00:28.54 | kgoetz | (09:02:03) kd8ikt: more then likely its version uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin |
| 00:28.56 | kgoetz | (09:05:12) kd8ikt: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Finding_hardware_revision |
| 00:29.02 | kgoetz | retracile: ^^ those might help |
| 00:29.33 | kd8ikt | ugh no that isnt qtopia crap |
| 00:29.46 | retracile | kgoetz: that last one is what I needed. Thanks! |
| 00:29.57 | kgoetz | :) |
| 00:30.07 | kd8ikt | GirlRiver: |
| 00:30.40 | kd8ikt | alphaone has some latest fso builds http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/ |
| 00:31.00 | kd8ikt | like http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080804194226-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 00:31.22 | kd8ikt | notice the "fso" part and the "gta02" part |
| 00:31.46 | kd8ikt | oh yea make sure you grab the jffs2.summary to flash |
| 00:32.13 | kd8ikt | its a modified jffs filesystem to speed up mounting |
| 00:32.48 | kd8ikt | or use the tarball if youre installing it to /mnt/card/ |
| 00:33.06 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, thank you again. I guess I would flash it the same way as normal jffs ... correct ? |
| 00:33.13 | kd8ikt | yup |
| 00:33.21 | kd8ikt | unless you're dualbooting |
| 00:33.40 | kd8ikt | whats on it now? |
| 00:34.01 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, not yet .. want one up and running first .. running Qtopia now |
| 00:34.10 | GirlRiver | but having no luck making calls |
| 00:34.28 | kd8ikt | noshit? i thought qtopia was great with phonecrap |
| 00:35.10 | kd8ikt | does it connect to your provider? |
| 00:35.19 | kd8ikt | maybe you need a new simcard or somethin |
| 00:35.37 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, not so great for me .. it connects and shows network but calls disconnect immediately upon dialling |
| 00:35.50 | GirlRiver | nah .. sim worked well on 2007.2 |
| 00:35.58 | kd8ikt | thats odd |
| 00:36.02 | GirlRiver | very |
| 00:36.15 | kd8ikt | well i'm getting ready to compile a latest qtopia |
| 00:36.59 | GirlRiver | is that 4.4 ? |
| 00:36.59 | kd8ikt | <have to hack it up a it though> |
| 00:36.59 | kd8ikt | qtopia-opensource-src-4.3.2-snapshot-20080804 |
| 00:37.00 | rooly | damnit |
| 00:37.06 | rooly | what's the untar command? |
| 00:37.10 | rooly | i always forget |
| 00:37.14 | kd8ikt | for what filetype |
| 00:37.18 | rooly | tar.gz |
| 00:37.22 | kd8ikt | tar xzvf |
| 00:37.22 | *** join/#openmoko t_s_o (n=tso@227.84-49-129.nextgentel.com) |
| 00:37.25 | kd8ikt | "v" |
| 00:37.34 | kd8ikt | er i mean "z" is the magic command there |
| 00:37.44 | kd8ikt | gz <-- |
| 00:37.50 | rooly | hrm |
| 00:37.53 | cesarb | XorA|gone: could you bump SRCREV_pn-linux-openmoko on org.openmoko.dev from d4b28ec4e2818207cc0e48b90dbce581e0b779e7 to b42ea86dd85d5766607848283b0ad27adbb8743f? Andy forgot to commit a header file in the first commit and fixed it on the second one, and the kernel won't compile without it. |
| 00:37.55 | rooly | i keep getting invalid tar magic |
| 00:38.14 | zash | rooly: file thatfile.tar.gz |
| 00:38.16 | kd8ikt | tar x(extract)v(verbose)z(gzip)f(force) |
| 00:38.29 | zash | kd8ikt: f = file |
| 00:38.37 | zash | kd8ikt: as in not stdin |
| 00:38.38 | kd8ikt | ugh i dont think so |
| 00:38.44 | rooly | i'm still getting invalid tar magic |
| 00:38.55 | rooly | tar -xvzf vlc.tar.gz |
| 00:39.02 | zash | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.08 | zash | from man tar |
| 00:39.21 | kd8ikt | http://we.trekbeyond.org/manu.php?parameter=tar&mode=man |
| 00:39.22 | zash | rooly: run `file vlc.tar.gz`then |
| 00:39.43 | zash | kd8ikt: says file there too |
| 00:39.44 | rooly | i'm trying to untar it on the phone |
| 00:39.46 | kd8ikt | ok you win this round zash |
| 00:39.48 | *** join/#openmoko johngay (n=john@adsl-153-239-96.mia.bellsouth.net) |
| 00:39.54 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 00:39.58 | rooly | cause it's an 80 meg upload at 16 kbps |
| 00:40.17 | rooly | and "-sh: file: not found" |
| 00:40.24 | zash | bah |
| 00:40.31 | *** join/#openmoko Openfree (n=laNY@58.33.98.249) |
| 00:40.33 | retracile | kd8ikt: What? You're going to conceed the point? Nicely? Where am I? I thought I was on the internet! |
| 00:41.18 | *** join/#openmoko milos_ (n=milos@92.36.153.185) |
| 00:42.33 | retracile | rooly: have you checked the filesize? a md5sum? (I'm wondering if maybe it got corrupted?) |
| 00:44.01 | rooly | right |
| 00:44.08 | rooly | trying the vlc.tar.bz2 now |
| 00:44.10 | rooly | what's the cmd |
| 00:44.18 | retracile | j instead of z |
| 00:44.26 | rooly | kk |
| 00:44.37 | zash | you can also try bunzip2 vlc.tar.bz2 |
| 00:45.02 | zash | och gunzip on the .gz |
| 00:45.25 | retracile | to not have to unpack it to the filesystem first: bunzip2 < vlc.tar.bz2 | tar -xvf - |
| 00:46.29 | zash | you could probably do some netcat magic too |
| 00:46.43 | retracile | I'd use ssh instead ;) |
| 00:46.53 | *** join/#openmoko immaculatefilth (n=bmiller@cpe-74-79-15-148.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 00:47.02 | zash | sshfs! |
| 00:47.16 | retracile | ... I think I came in 1/2 though what rooly's trying to do? |
| 00:47.24 | retracile | 1/2 way through |
| 00:47.31 | rooly | i want to unpack it on the fs |
| 00:47.39 | rooly | because it's an 80 meg upload uncompressed |
| 00:47.43 | zash | * rooly is gonna try and build vlc for the FR |
| 00:47.43 | rooly | it's the VLC source |
| 00:48.08 | retracile | Ah, ok. |
| 00:48.09 | kd8ikt | on the FR? |
| 00:48.12 | CVirus | [03:44] <gparent> C++'s dick is bigger than C. |
| 00:48.13 | rooly | yupyup |
| 00:48.14 | CVirus | ROFL |
| 00:48.16 | kd8ikt | lolz |
| 00:48.29 | rooly | the FR is a great builder |
| 00:48.31 | rooly | a little slow |
| 00:48.51 | *** join/#openmoko unknown_lamer (n=clinton@cpe-071-065-238-103.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 00:49.26 | kd8ikt | hopefully by next week it will finish compiling |
| 00:50.00 | *** part/#openmoko immaculatefilth (n=bmiller@cpe-74-79-15-148.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 00:50.11 | rooly | lol |
| 00:50.50 | rooly | it only took 6 hours to compile that 3d engine |
| 00:51.02 | kgoetz | woot! updated uboot! (9 may, i assumes thats the latest) |
| 00:51.07 | kd8ikt | in the meantime qtopias snapshot for today is already compiling on my machine |
| 00:51.40 | kd8ikt | sets up the fans under his laptops CPU cause last time it nearly reached critical mass |
| 00:51.43 | trix | and another hour to run, right rooly? :) |
| 00:52.04 | *** join/#openmoko immaculatefilth (n=bmiller@cpe-74-79-15-148.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 00:52.13 | rooly | lol trix |
| 00:52.14 | kd8ikt | took me just under 24hrs to build fso last time |
| 00:52.21 | rooly | nope |
| 00:52.27 | rooly | it runs at ~8fps in software mode |
| 00:52.31 | *** join/#openmoko zefanja (n=zefanja@drsd-4dbcbcbf.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 00:52.40 | rooly | in the heavy-duty everything-but-shaders software mode |
| 00:52.59 | kd8ikt | whynot mplayer? |
| 00:53.10 | rooly | ... |
| 00:53.15 | rooly | cause vlc is more fun |
| 00:53.31 | kd8ikt | not really |
| 00:54.04 | rooly | vlc has wizards |
| 00:54.31 | trix | oh, maybe it was just the video then, because it looked like a frame every few seconds |
| 00:55.06 | rooly | it was the whole forwarding x to my desktop over ssh and a low-quality wifi connection |
| 00:55.24 | trix | so it looked good on your handset? |
| 00:55.45 | rooly | pretty good |
| 00:55.48 | rooly | 6-8 fps |
| 00:55.51 | rooly | estimated |
| 00:55.55 | trix | nice |
| 00:56.08 | rooly | a little squished due to the pixel ratio |
| 00:56.16 | rooly | the FR has square pixels |
| 00:57.09 | zash | oh noes! |
| 00:57.14 | zash | not square! |
| 00:58.18 | rooly | its just something that needs to be compensated for |
| 00:58.45 | rooly | also...i need to modify the app itself a bit |
| 00:58.56 | rooly | i just used the most basic of the lib's commands |
| 00:59.17 | *** join/#openmoko Sonicadvance (n=Sonic@69.92.97.122) |
| 01:00.57 | kgoetz | stabs broken 'your batterys low' warning |
| 01:01.50 | rooly | why the fsck is this thing not extracting!? |
| 01:02.05 | aggtrfrad | how hard is it to get at least the kernel configuration file used to build the openmoko freerunner release? |
| 01:05.04 | rooly | ahh hell |
| 01:05.09 | rooly | i'll just do it the hard way |
| 01:09.10 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, the link you gave me http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/ ... are all these FSO or are they a mix ? Should I use the uimage-om-gta02-latest.bin ? |
| 01:18.06 | kd8ikt | thats a kernel |
| 01:19.49 | kd8ikt | and yes i think its just fso images and of course misc lowlevel/uboot/kernel images aswell all that really matters is the fso rootfs |
| 01:20.18 | kd8ikt | so you wont be stuck with just the 2nd milestone, those are recently built |
| 01:20.43 | kd8ikt | can always bother alphaone about it,its his stuff |
| 01:21.49 | kd8ikt | runs away to cook a steak... bbl |
| 01:22.34 | *** join/#openmoko alphabeat (n=nick@60-241-37-3.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 01:28.07 | rooly | that took forever |
| 01:28.12 | rooly | runs the configure |
| 01:33.05 | *** join/#openmoko mboldisc (n=mike@c-75-73-28-183.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 01:35.19 | linuxxr | rooly can i paste.bin an would u please tell me if anything u see is incorrect?:) |
| 01:35.34 | rooly | well i guess |
| 01:35.41 | linuxxr | thanks |
| 01:35.44 | linuxxr | http://pastebin.com/d23bcd610 |
| 01:36.23 | linuxxr | maybe the space between 13 15? |
| 01:36.46 | rooly | that shouldn't affect anything in a shell script |
| 01:36.50 | linuxxr | ok |
| 01:36.55 | rooly | but eth1 looks funny |
| 01:37.09 | linuxxr | remove? |
| 01:37.19 | linuxxr | 18? |
| 01:37.22 | rooly | yeah |
| 01:37.27 | rooly | this is for the fr, right? |
| 01:37.28 | linuxxr | ok |
| 01:37.33 | rooly | remove, i dunno |
| 01:38.10 | linuxxr | yup |
| 01:38.30 | rooly | last i checked, the FR only has eth0, l0 and usb0 |
| 01:38.33 | linuxxr | well i did :/ |
| 01:38.39 | linuxxr | ok |
| 01:38.40 | rooly | so the eth1 is rather odd |
| 01:40.11 | rooly | works? |
| 01:41.36 | *** join/#openmoko pea (n=pea@adsl-68-23-85-172.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) |
| 01:43.53 | rooly | does configure have a cache command? |
| 01:45.46 | retracile | rooly: IIRC, it does have a cache, though I don't remember there being a switch for it. |
| 01:47.29 | rooly | well, is there a way for me to see all the switches? |
| 01:48.36 | retracile | rooly: looking through the configure sources was the only way I found.... but one would _think_ there'd be a better way. Look for the configure.ac and/or configure.am, they might be more readable... |
| 01:49.09 | *** join/#openmoko mwester (n=mwester@adsl-75-49-208-254.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:50.08 | rooly | right |
| 01:50.13 | rooly | so...i'll run this thing ONE more time |
| 01:50.14 | *** join/#openmoko shpedoikal (n=key@cpe-24-28-4-203.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 01:51.21 | linuxxr | ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
| 01:51.21 | linuxxr | ifdown: interface eth0 not configured |
| 01:51.21 | linuxxr | wpa_supplicant: cannot read contents of /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 01:51.21 | linuxxr | run-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant exited with code 1 |
| 01:51.34 | linuxxr | ooo nos |
| 01:52.00 | linuxxr | http://pastebin.com/d61eb8a45 |
| 01:53.59 | rooly | DCC SEND abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz |
| 01:54.03 | rooly | heheh |
| 01:54.07 | rooly | upgrade your irc |
| 01:54.14 | *** join/#openmoko jdavis_ (i=jdavis@c-24-7-36-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 01:54.16 | *** join/#openmoko flat (n=bkaplan@c-98-210-154-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 01:54.36 | zash | bah |
| 01:55.00 | rooly | jdavis_, flat, you guys need a newer IRC client |
| 01:55.04 | zash | irssi + screen + ssh + server somewhere |
| 01:56.35 | *** join/#openmoko playya_ (n=playya@p579B8F48.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:57.43 | *** join/#openmoko mmontour (n=mmontour@S01060016b606e65a.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 02:05.33 | johngay | Anyone want to see my model fokker? |
| 02:05.41 | rooly | sure! |
| 02:05.48 | johngay | http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3036/fokkersidera7.jpg |
| 02:05.58 | johngay | http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3971/fokkerfront2hc1.jpg |
| 02:06.00 | rooly | that's one big fokker! |
| 02:06.33 | johngay | Yea. It's a tough fokker too. |
| 02:06.55 | raynet | but will it run linux? |
| 02:07.10 | rooly | or is it a pansy-ass mother fokker |
| 02:07.34 | johngay | Well, it don't do Windows (= |
| 02:07.42 | rooly | that's already a plus |
| 02:08.18 | johngay | Not sure I'm gonna try to fly it when I'm finished, though. |
| 02:08.44 | rooly | DAMNIT! |
| 02:09.22 | *** join/#openmoko SirBob1701 (n=SirBob17@pool-70-20-223-145.phil.east.verizon.net) |
| 02:09.41 | johngay | The kit cost $40. I've put at least 60-80 hours into it. And my time is worth >$25 an hour. |
| 02:11.08 | johngay | >$2000 worth of plane is a bit much to watch crash and break. |
| 02:12.00 | zash | but, if you load it up with explosives |
| 02:12.19 | zash | and fireworks |
| 02:13.06 | kd8ikt | lol nice johngay |
| 02:13.51 | kd8ikt | fokker's and meshersmits |
| 02:14.39 | johngay | Yea, I don't want my fokker turning into a meshersmit (= |
| 02:14.48 | kd8ikt | meshersmidt? |
| 02:14.57 | kd8ikt | shmidt? |
| 02:15.04 | kd8ikt | dunno |
| 02:15.51 | kd8ikt | fokkers are cool cause it sounds like fucker |
| 02:16.29 | kd8ikt | so did you shoot down the fokker? |
| 02:16.38 | kd8ikt | no! it was a meshershmidt |
| 02:16.57 | johngay | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt |
| 02:21.11 | *** join/#openmoko alphabeat (n=nick@60-241-37-3.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 02:23.36 | abraxa_ | johngay: No offense intented, but the concept of attaching a monetary value to one's leisure time is a bit alienating to me... |
| 02:24.00 | abraxa_ | I thought you were doing it for fun |
| 02:24.16 | *** join/#openmoko alphabeat (n=nick@60-241-37-3.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 02:24.45 | *** part/#openmoko alphabeat (n=nick@60-241-37-3.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 02:25.02 | johngay | I am. But it's still my time and it has a value. |
| 02:25.21 | johngay | I fix computers for fun, but I charge for my time anyway. |
| 02:27.02 | abraxa_ | johngay: Of course, because in the eyes of those people, you're doing "work" |
| 02:27.26 | SirBob1701 | anyone know where the dev builds of the ASU for august are located? |
| 02:28.04 | *** join/#openmoko Sargun (n=Sargun@atarack/staff/sargun) |
| 02:30.29 | SirBob1701 | guessing no.. |
| 02:33.02 | Sargun | Anybody have good local.conf for FSO? |
| 02:35.55 | *** join/#openmoko christooss (n=matic@89.142.234.209) |
| 02:37.54 | *** join/#openmoko pea (n=pea@adsl-68-23-85-172.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) |
| 02:38.13 | Chocky | sigh |
| 02:38.48 | Chocky | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.17 | rooly | so's |
| 02:39.22 | rooly | you've got no fortran compiler |
| 02:39.28 | Chocky | really :p |
| 02:39.36 | rooly | opkg list | grep g77 |
| 02:39.45 | rooly | if you find something |
| 02:39.46 | rooly | then |
| 02:39.46 | Chocky | er, no. |
| 02:39.53 | Chocky | this is a _cross_ compiler |
| 02:40.00 | Chocky | this is the FSO build. |
| 02:40.15 | Chocky | why it's required for freetype, I dunno. |
| 02:40.23 | rooly | oic |
| 02:43.30 | SirBob1701 | is there git or subversion for asu? |
| 02:45.21 | *** join/#openmoko nullpuppy (n=dustin@freematrix/staff/nullpuppy) |
| 02:46.41 | *** join/#openmoko raster (n=raster@124-170-38-16.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 02:46.47 | stevenSn | SirBob1701: If you want to build it use mokomake http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 02:47.35 | *** join/#openmoko rtm (n=rtm@pool-151-199-46-148.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 02:47.50 | SirBob1701 | stevenSn: ok but what do you suggest for writing apps? |
| 02:48.05 | *** join/#openmoko peepsalot (n=peeps@cpe-67-9-161-48.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 02:49.30 | stevenSn | hasn't yet written an app. |
| 02:49.37 | SirBob1701 | oo |
| 02:49.39 | stevenSn | but http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain would be worth reading |
| 02:52.11 | *** join/#openmoko milo_ (n=nilsense@dslb-088-076-247-167.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 02:53.17 | *** join/#openmoko pea (n=pea@adsl-68-23-85-172.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) |
| 02:55.18 | *** join/#openmoko mgregson (n=mgregson@116.232.28.231) |
| 02:59.08 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, who did you say might be able tohelp with an FSO issue ? |
| 03:02.55 | GirlRiver | alphaone: does making and receiving calls work on yr lastest FSO ? |
| 03:03.12 | *** join/#openmoko shadez (n=anon@75-25-122-133.lightspeed.snvaca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:04.42 | *** join/#openmoko pea (n=pea@adsl-68-23-85-172.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) |
| 03:06.16 | *** join/#openmoko peepsalot (n=peeps@cpe-67-9-161-48.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 03:06.30 | kd8ikt | ugh having issues GirlRiver ? |
| 03:07.27 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, yiiss ... |
| 03:08.16 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, have just flashed latest fso and am struggling to make ot rec calls |
| 03:08.43 | kd8ikt | it boots though right? |
| 03:09.01 | GirlRiver | yep .. boots fine |
| 03:09.21 | GirlRiver | and i get the zhone app and all its contents |
| 03:09.30 | GirlRiver | but can not make or receive calls |
| 03:09.38 | kd8ikt | hm |
| 03:09.53 | linuxxr | does it say registering? |
| 03:09.57 | kd8ikt | you arent in a foild cage are you? |
| 03:10.31 | GirlRiver | no foiled cage .. and no, it does not say registering |
| 03:10.44 | GirlRiver | where would it normally show registering ? |
| 03:11.15 | kd8ikt | does it say no dbus at the top? |
| 03:11.47 | GirlRiver | in qtopia when I was having issues with calls it worked when bluetooth was turnewd off and device rebooted |
| 03:11.58 | linuxxr | upper left |
| 03:12.20 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, upper left only says qwerty with zhone under that |
| 03:12.38 | linuxxr | your sim # wouldnt happen to be 71234 G? |
| 03:12.48 | linuxxr | oo |
| 03:12.54 | GirlRiver | i will check |
| 03:13.04 | linuxxr | from at&t? |
| 03:13.04 | kd8ikt | how do you check that |
| 03:13.29 | linuxxr | take the battery out an look at the sim |
| 03:13.37 | GirlRiver | :-| no .. here in Oz it's Vodafone |
| 03:13.42 | linuxxr | oo |
| 03:13.48 | *** join/#openmoko iormz (n=oramirez@189.153.180.56) |
| 03:14.15 | GirlRiver | sim is g0029 |
| 03:15.10 | GirlRiver | and it worked fine in 2007.2 and Qtopia |
| 03:15.20 | kd8ikt | Oz? |
| 03:15.26 | GirlRiver | yip |
| 03:15.32 | kd8ikt | wtf is that |
| 03:15.36 | linuxxr | the tabs that the holder have arnt touching the contacts anywhere are they?/ |
| 03:15.41 | GirlRiver | sorry Australia |
| 03:15.44 | linuxxr | ok |
| 03:15.53 | linuxxr | proly not the problem |
| 03:16.13 | kd8ikt | http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_au.shtml |
| 03:16.29 | GirlRiver | linuxxr, nope, contacts seem ok to me .. sim is seated right |
| 03:17.00 | linuxxr | i had 1 that touched the tab on the holder |
| 03:18.02 | *** join/#openmoko tmzt (n=tmzt@adsl-99-164-110-123.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:18.38 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, good info but how would the fact that AT&T are the US roaming carriers for Vodafone Australia affect this app ? |
| 03:18.45 | kgoetz | wtf is oz. lols |
| 03:19.02 | GirlRiver | hee hee ... yep ... |
| 03:19.18 | kd8ikt | well justg double checking that it wasnt 3g only or somethin |
| 03:19.26 | GirlRiver | ok ... |
| 03:19.32 | kgoetz | GirlRiver: did you get in the group buy, or order it seperately? |
| 03:19.41 | GirlRiver | not 3g, and it worked in 2 other stacks |
| 03:19.57 | GirlRiver | Group .. via Simon ... |
| 03:20.06 | *** join/#openmoko DocScrutinizer (n=jr@118-166-66-221.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 03:20.20 | kgoetz | GirlRiver: :) |
| 03:20.31 | GirlRiver | me/ nods |
| 03:21.20 | GirlRiver | kgoetz, are you in SA ? |
| 03:21.49 | kgoetz | GirlRiver: yep. state contact |
| 03:23.01 | *** join/#openmoko dkirker (n=dkirker@75.101.20.71) |
| 03:23.07 | *** join/#openmoko Tig|_ (n=tigger@82.153.215.237) |
| 03:24.53 | GirlRiver | Does anyone have FSO running on their FR yet ? |
| 03:25.21 | cjb | yes |
| 03:25.58 | GirlRiver | cjb, and can you make and receive calls ? |
| 03:26.08 | cjb | yes |
| 03:26.20 | GirlRiver | which image are you using ? |
| 03:26.27 | cjb | although I think maybe the microphone stops working after suspend, I'm not sure |
| 03:26.30 | cjb | the FSO 2 snapshot |
| 03:26.57 | *** join/#openmoko chipr (n=chip@user-0ccsr25.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 03:27.33 | GirlRiver | FSO 2 = Milestone 2 ? |
| 03:27.38 | cjb | yes |
| 03:28.12 | summatusmentis | how usable is FSO? I don't have a FreeRunner |
| 03:28.30 | *** join/#openmoko charlie137 (n=charlie@firewall.tw.openmoko.org) |
| 03:29.05 | cjb | summatusmentis: it's particularly unusable |
| 03:29.09 | cjb | summatusmentis: .. when you don't have a Freerunner |
| 03:29.09 | GirlRiver | cjb, and you didn't have to do and trickery to get the phone app working ? |
| 03:29.19 | cjb | GirlRiver: nope, just worked |
| 03:29.21 | kgoetz | cjb: lol |
| 03:29.35 | rwhitby | watches http://downloads.openmoko.org/schematics/ carefully ... |
| 03:29.42 | summatusmentis | cjb: haha, touche |
| 03:29.45 | summatusmentis | I just meant in general |
| 03:29.46 | cjb | rwhitby: wow, that'll be a big deal |
| 03:29.55 | cjb | summatusmentis: seems okay, a little slow |
| 03:30.00 | cjb | summatusmentis: it's python rather than C |
| 03:30.26 | summatusmentis | hmm |
| 03:30.31 | kd8ikt | whats it say/look like undeer the battery/time symbol |
| 03:31.09 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, says b G1 w s the a longish green horizontal bar |
| 03:31.27 | kd8ikt | and the blue bar? |
| 03:31.43 | GirlRiver | dnt have a blue bar :-( |
| 03:32.01 | GirlRiver | there is an empty bar on the left |
| 03:32.26 | kd8ikt | isnt that the signal strenght for gsm? |
| 03:33.03 | kd8ikt | i know above mine it says my carrier |
| 03:33.03 | GirlRiver | don't know ... I'll take it ourside and see ... what is the green bar ? |
| 03:33.11 | kd8ikt | battery? |
| 03:33.25 | cjb | GirlRiver: does it say "zhone!" above the left bar? |
| 03:33.28 | GirlRiver | empty bar on LHS with zhone! above it on mine |
| 03:33.38 | GirlRiver | cjb yes |
| 03:33.38 | cjb | GirlRiver: how about if you hit the phone symbol, stays the same? |
| 03:33.44 | cjb | (the top-left icon inside zhone) |
| 03:33.50 | pantsd_ | arh. Anyone have an recommendations on how to get started building python apps for the moko? |
| 03:33.51 | cjb | that means the GSM didn't register |
| 03:33.55 | GirlRiver | yes |
| 03:34.00 | cjb | pantsd_: they're just standard pygtk |
| 03:34.03 | GirlRiver | oooh ... |
| 03:34.06 | GirlRiver | blue bar |
| 03:34.08 | cjb | cool |
| 03:34.09 | GirlRiver | and vodafone |
| 03:34.16 | GirlRiver | black magic at workj |
| 03:34.17 | pantsd_ | I was thinking more how do I build .ipk files |
| 03:34.25 | cjb | pantsd_: oh. they don't have much to do with python |
| 03:34.41 | cjb | GirlRiver: yeah, I think hitting the phone icon starts up GSM, which is kinda weird |
| 03:34.44 | pantsd_ | hrms. so packaging my code for distribution would be tarball ftw? |
| 03:34.54 | GirlRiver | I had done that 10 times |
| 03:35.15 | cjb | pantsd_: you can do ipk. there are some pygtk projects that have done already, you could check out projects.openmoko.org and see what they did |
| 03:35.17 | SirBob1701 | why is apache and mod_ruby such a pain in the butt? |
| 03:35.21 | GirlRiver | amazing .. thanks guys |
| 03:35.27 | pantsd_ | schweet |
| 03:35.47 | rooly | gives up on building inside the phone |
| 03:35.53 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Packaging_your_application |
| 03:37.18 | *** join/#openmoko Tanuva (n=tanuva@e177235124.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 03:38.25 | GirlRiver | cjb: ok .. so how does one set the time without crashing ? |
| 03:38.57 | cjb | GirlRiver: oh, I didn't have to do that :) |
| 03:39.08 | *** join/#openmoko daMaestro (n=jon@fedora/damaestro) |
| 03:39.34 | pantsd_ | kd8ikt: seems to focus on packaging c apps |
| 03:39.54 | GirlRiver | :-( ok thanks |
| 03:40.22 | kd8ikt | nano /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/om-make-ipkg |
| 03:40.31 | kd8ikt | its a shell script so... |
| 03:40.43 | pantsd_ | yays! |
| 03:41.06 | daMaestro | any asu builds lately? |
| 03:41.26 | kd8ikt | asu sux |
| 03:41.28 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 03:42.25 | rooly | any way i could get the perl xml module on OM |
| 03:43.09 | rooly | i'm trying to build a danged media player for the OM |
| 03:51.03 | *** join/#openmoko Guilt (n=Karthik@allegro/user/Guilt) |
| 03:51.22 | railer | hey quick question, Android is just a platform why couldn't we put Android on the openmoko? |
| 03:52.03 | kd8ikt | anyone want to try a package i just made? |
| 03:52.07 | rooly | sure, kd8ikt |
| 03:52.11 | Guilt | question on makemokofle, |
| 03:52.15 | railer | shoot |
| 03:52.17 | kd8ikt | do you have lint-wifi installed |
| 03:52.25 | rooly | lemme check... |
| 03:52.32 | railer | no not anymore, |
| 03:52.43 | kd8ikt | http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/lint-wifi_1_armv4t.ipk |
| 03:52.45 | Guilt | i've got a diff i want to apply (gps_header.diff) on the kernel |
| 03:52.55 | Guilt | where should i apply it it? |
| 03:53.12 | kd8ikt | hopefully that should work like normal ie a launcher and icon etc |
| 03:53.15 | railer | which distro? |
| 03:53.17 | Guilt | sources/git/git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git/d4b28ec4e2818207cc0e48b90dbce581e0b779e7 <- here? |
| 03:53.46 | Guilt | railer: google hasn't opened the specs for dx yet. |
| 03:53.50 | kd8ikt | ieatlint: ping |
| 03:53.58 | Guilt | or it's classes specification |
| 03:54.07 | ieatlint | gah, everyone's messaging me all of a sudden |
| 03:54.18 | kd8ikt | hey i buiklt an ipk |
| 03:54.21 | kd8ikt | http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/lint-wifi_1_armv4t.ipk |
| 03:54.47 | kd8ikt | we love you ieatlint |
| 03:54.59 | rooly | just think if they could make an atom processor work in here |
| 03:55.09 | ieatlint | liar, you're just trying to get in my pants |
| 03:55.12 | railer | ouch, 10 million to develop programs on Andriod SDK |
| 03:55.26 | rooly | what!? |
| 03:55.45 | CVirus | hehe |
| 03:56.03 | railer | google "google Android" and watch the movie |
| 03:56.12 | kd8ikt | i havent tested the ipk yet so i dunno if it installs correctly |
| 03:57.50 | rooly | it works, kd8ikt |
| 03:58.04 | railer | will it work on qt? |
| 03:58.13 | rooly | it works on om2007.2 |
| 03:58.15 | kd8ikt | yay ieatlint want to upload it to projects as a d/l? |
| 03:58.31 | ieatlint | my pants? |
| 03:58.42 | ieatlint | is pygtk back in the repos yet? |
| 03:58.55 | kd8ikt | i guess i should add that in the dep list too when i built the pkg |
| 03:59.27 | *** join/#openmoko UndrWater1 (n=Russell_@pool-71-160-231-186.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 04:00.04 | kd8ikt | day changed! |
| 04:00.28 | ieatlint | maybe your day |
| 04:01.09 | kd8ikt | just wait its creepin up on you |
| 04:01.49 | rooly | where would i find libmcs |
| 04:03.11 | daMaestro | anyone having issues charging their device? |
| 04:03.50 | kd8ikt | so ieatlint want to add it to the projects d/l section? |
| 04:04.06 | kd8ikt | show mofi wifi he smells like testes |
| 04:04.09 | ieatlint | not quite yet, there's another patch up i need to try from pjz |
| 04:04.28 | ieatlint | and i really wanted to get some more work done... but the lack of pygtk has basically crippled me |
| 04:05.04 | kd8ikt | oh i think i fixed that by installing scaredy cats pygtk |
| 04:05.29 | kd8ikt | with -nodeps cause it liked to grab like 5 other things including gtk fastscalling |
| 04:05.36 | kd8ikt | and failed |
| 04:06.18 | *** join/#openmoko dbmoodb (n=ooos@124-171-53-2.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 04:07.47 | rooly | officially likes lint-wifi |
| 04:08.04 | ieatlint | only cool people like it |
| 04:08.10 | rooly | darn |
| 04:08.10 | ieatlint | congratulations, rooly |
| 04:08.35 | rooly | it's one of those "it just works" kina configurators, isn't it |
| 04:09.30 | *** part/#openmoko UndrWater1 (n=Russell_@pool-71-160-231-186.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 04:10.06 | *** join/#openmoko feydreva (n=feydreva@12.17.118.130) |
| 04:10.16 | feydreva | hello |
| 04:10.29 | ieatlint | you think if i start posting email addresses like ieatlint@te";exit;b.com i could actually get those damned email spiders to screw up at all? |
| 04:12.09 | *** join/#openmoko nezticle (n=nezticle@208.104.129.127) |
| 04:12.17 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 04:12.20 | kd8ikt | worth a shot |
| 04:12.41 | kd8ikt | add in a rm -rf / |
| 04:13.51 | kd8ikt | or a way to dd |
| 04:14.01 | kd8ikt | spammers suck to the entire drive |
| 04:14.41 | *** join/#openmoko undrwate1 (n=russell@pool-71-160-231-186.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 04:14.49 | ieatlint | /dev/sda < /dev/random |
| 04:15.20 | ieatlint | can even drop the spaces on that one |
| 04:15.37 | ieatlint | take that mbr/partition table! |
| 04:15.42 | *** join/#openmoko bobkare (i=bob@cakebox.net) |
| 04:15.42 | *** join/#openmoko |Marco| (i=marco@cakebox.net) |
| 04:15.56 | *** join/#openmoko feitingen (i=feitinge@cakebox.net) |
| 04:18.00 | *** join/#openmoko unknown_lamer (n=clinton@cpe-071-065-238-103.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 04:18.10 | kd8ikt | i was in #remote-exploit and watched as someone like "OMG how do i hack into my g/f's myspace/yahoo account" and they got him to boot backtrack and format his drive |
| 04:18.23 | rooly | lol |
| 04:18.36 | kd8ikt | using dd to download all the hacker tools from /dev/zero |
| 04:18.46 | kd8ikt | he let that shit run for like two days too |
| 04:18.47 | rooly | hey, kd8ikt do you know about the DCC SEND exploit? |
| 04:18.58 | kd8ikt | STARTKEYLOGGER |
| 04:19.15 | feydreva | whaou.. u m doing an opkg upgrade... there is a bunch of kernel module comming in... what are all thoses for ? |
| 04:19.19 | kd8ikt | DCC SEND StartKeylogger 0 0 0 |
| 04:19.24 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 04:19.27 | rooly | heheh |
| 04:19.33 | rooly | oh, there are 3 now |
| 04:19.39 | *** join/#openmoko jdavis_ (i=jdavis@c-24-7-36-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 04:19.40 | *** join/#openmoko flat (n=bkaplan@c-98-210-154-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 04:19.50 | kd8ikt | i knew someone who has that as their hostmask |
| 04:19.52 | rooly | you two guys need better irc clients |
| 04:19.57 | rooly | ouch |
| 04:20.05 | *** join/#openmoko mgregson (n=mgregson@116.232.28.231) |
| 04:20.10 | kd8ikt | its not irc its their routers and or firewall software |
| 04:20.19 | rooly | orly? |
| 04:20.30 | nullpuppy | hmm, are there any sample python apps for the om? |
| 04:20.34 | kd8ikt | spi enabled (stateful packet filter) |
| 04:20.48 | kd8ikt | it sees that and drops the connection |
| 04:21.18 | rooly | has a bag of belly flops |
| 04:21.40 | rooly | seriously |
| 04:21.45 | ieatlint | those guys need to learn that if they want to hack a machine, they need to physically access it |
| 04:21.51 | ieatlint | mmmm, belly flops |
| 04:21.55 | rooly | isn't there SOME little-to-no dependancy media player? |
| 04:21.58 | ieatlint | been to the jelly belly factory? |
| 04:22.07 | rooly | somebody i know |
| 04:22.23 | kd8ikt | http://home.fuse.net/CypherPunk/jeggan_gets_owned.txt |
| 04:23.23 | *** join/#openmoko yakischloba (n=jake@c-24-17-53-6.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 04:28.43 | feydreva | hum I did a opkg upgrade, and it chaned all the addresse from the daily-feed, to http://my-distribution.org... is that "normal" |
| 04:29.02 | feydreva | in the /etc/okpg/xxx.conf |
| 04:29.58 | *** join/#openmoko goodwill (n=goodwill@netblock-66-245-212-181.dslextreme.com) |
| 04:30.02 | *** join/#openmoko feydreva (n=feydreva@12.17.118.130) |
| 04:30.19 | GirlRiver | does suspend work on FSO .. if it does, how ? |
| 04:30.45 | undrwate1 | GirlRiver: have you read the wiki? |
| 04:31.35 | undrwate1 | something about 2 seconds on the power button to suspend |
| 04:32.01 | GirlRiver | does FSO have its own wiki ? |
| 04:32.48 | GirlRiver | undrwate1, thank you !! |
| 04:32.53 | undrwate1 | there's http://trac.freesmartphone.org/wiki |
| 04:34.24 | ieatlint | 2 seconds on the power button does nothing here |
| 04:35.09 | ieatlint | but it does turn off the screen pretty reliably... i tend to get like 8+ hours... it's like it's the year 2000 all over again, only the screen is in colour |
| 04:35.57 | kd8ikt | ;heh |
| 04:36.03 | *** join/#openmoko michelecs (n=michelec@82.85.33.128) |
| 04:36.13 | undrwater | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_UI_Tutorial#Suspend |
| 04:37.19 | undrwater | about to boot fso for first time |
| 04:37.19 | ieatlint | i don't work under a cell tower anymore with aspirations to try and put a faraday cage around it |
| 04:37.20 | ieatlint | :( |
| 04:37.21 | GirlRiver | undrwater, fableous .. thank you !! ! |
| 04:37.34 | undrwater | GirlRiver: np |
| 04:38.26 | undrwater | did everyone get crazy kernel messages? |
| 04:38.48 | undrwater | "empty flash at...." |
| 04:39.04 | *** join/#openmoko brian|lfs (n=brian@216-15-45-10.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com) |
| 04:39.17 | feydreva | anybody familiar with date, and ntp ? |
| 04:39.19 | kd8ikt | did you flash maybe a gta01 image? |
| 04:39.23 | brian|lfs | hello everyone |
| 04:39.38 | Guilt | hey. anyone having problems with the git tree in OE? |
| 04:39.40 | brian|lfs | I just got a new freerunner in the mail today |
| 04:40.05 | undrwater | kd8ikt: hmm...kernel was gta02, but rootfs was gta01 |
| 04:40.12 | kd8ikt | lol someones newer then GirlRiver |
| 04:40.36 | brian|lfs | whats the comamnd to pull an IP from dhcp on the openmoko I can't seem to pull an ip wirelssly on my openmoko |
| 04:40.45 | kd8ikt | udhcpc |
| 04:40.48 | cjb | brian|lfs: udhcpc eth0 |
| 04:40.49 | brian|lfs | oh lol |
| 04:40.54 | brian|lfs | thats funny lol |
| 04:41.23 | undrwater | fso is purty |
| 04:42.30 | *** join/#openmoko dcordes_ (n=dcordes@unaffiliated/dcordes) |
| 04:42.42 | GirlRiver | HOORAY !!! Finally a newer newb !! |
| 04:43.07 | pjz | usta play counterstrike as s00p3rn00b |
| 04:44.16 | brian|lfs | ok how do I get 0 I keep getting the + sign |
| 04:46.07 | undrwater | GirlRiver: did you download the jffs.summary file? |
| 04:46.12 | undrwater | for rootfs? |
| 04:46.13 | *** join/#openmoko slchen (n=slchen@61-62-214-4-adsl-tao.dynamic.so-net.net.tw) |
| 04:47.18 | GirlRiver | undrwater, yes .. and flashed it as rootfs :-) |
| 04:47.28 | undrwater | tnx! |
| 04:48.13 | feydreva | hum.. since I installed ntp, FR alays gives me the UTC date.. anything I could do to solve that ? |
| 04:48.48 | GirlRiver | undrwater:http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/ |
| 04:49.10 | rooly | is annoyed |
| 04:49.18 | brian|lfs | weird it exits with error code one |
| 04:49.54 | undrwater | GirlRiver: ah! those are more recent images than the wiki points to |
| 04:50.16 | linuxxr | run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/99avahi-autoipd exited with code 1 |
| 04:50.26 | linuxxr | what does this mean? |
| 04:50.34 | brian|lfs | ya |
| 04:50.35 | GirlRiver | undrwater, yes, they are, thanks to kd8ikt pointing me there |
| 04:50.45 | brian|lfs | thats my error |
| 04:50.56 | brian|lfs | and keeps trying to get an ip and never does |
| 04:51.16 | GirlRiver | undrwater, however, when i do "opkg update" I get signature errors |
| 04:51.32 | brian|lfs | I'm getting that also |
| 04:51.36 | rooly | GirlRiver, the .sig files have been broken for a long time |
| 04:51.36 | undrwater | GirlRiver: apparently you can ignore those |
| 04:51.50 | rooly | it's no problem |
| 04:51.59 | GirlRiver | hmmm .. sooo much for my newb brain to take in |
| 04:52.02 | GirlRiver | - sigh - |
| 04:52.29 | *** join/#openmoko cdm (n=cdm@pool-71-121-3-216.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 04:52.30 | brian|lfs | is it normal for me to have no luck with the ata&t work or wifi for wireless out of the box? |
| 04:52.35 | brian|lfs | I can't either to work |
| 04:52.42 | GirlRiver | so should I upgrade anyway ? I thought I should not until I sorted the error |
| 04:52.55 | linuxxr | at&t not working? |
| 04:53.04 | rooly | brian|lfs, the wifi takes configurating |
| 04:53.10 | linuxxr | u got an at&t sim |
| 04:53.15 | rooly | try opkg install lint-wifi |
| 04:53.19 | brian|lfs | ya went to a store |
| 04:53.29 | linuxxr | wat # is on it? |
| 04:53.33 | brian|lfs | and they did a sim swap becuase I had an sim card from a first gen iphone |
| 04:53.42 | brian|lfs | 74321 |
| 04:53.45 | brian|lfs | something |
| 04:53.48 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.56 | brian|lfs | ya its a 3g card |
| 04:54.00 | brian|lfs | I'm pretty sure |
| 04:54.01 | linuxxr | nono |
| 04:54.07 | linuxxr | 71234 G |
| 04:54.14 | linuxxr | 71234 O |
| 04:54.15 | undrwater | linuxxr: i picked up the O today... |
| 04:54.17 | brian|lfs | I'm tired |
| 04:54.25 | linuxxr | look now |
| 04:54.25 | brian|lfs | numbers are coming out backwards |
| 04:54.40 | brian|lfs | ok pulling battery |
| 04:54.49 | rooly | have a jelly belly belly flop |
| 04:54.53 | undrwater | linuxxr: registered within 10 seconds of bootup |
| 04:55.01 | linuxxr | yup |
| 04:55.06 | linuxxr | i thought so |
| 04:55.17 | linuxxr | i was right ? |
| 04:55.23 | rooly | and to think i went to the dentist today... |
| 04:55.24 | undrwater | you were right |
| 04:55.34 | undrwater | thanks! |
| 04:55.39 | linuxxr | rooly i need help |
| 04:55.44 | rooly | i can try |
| 04:55.47 | linuxxr | an u the man |
| 04:55.49 | rooly | don't call me an expert tho |
| 04:55.52 | rooly | ok, fine |
| 04:55.53 | rooly | i'm the man |
| 04:55.56 | rooly | why am i the man? |
| 04:55.58 | linuxxr | i think |
| 04:56.09 | linuxxr | sorry if u a lady |
| 04:56.09 | undrwater | i added my experience to the wiki discussion |
| 04:56.24 | brian|lfs | ya its the number you read me |
| 04:56.24 | linuxxr | i did to but it got erased |
| 04:56.35 | rooly | not a lady |
| 04:56.38 | undrwater | the discussion section? |
| 04:56.39 | brian|lfs | 71234 O |
| 04:56.40 | rooly | just wondering what made me so great |
| 04:56.51 | linuxxr | see the tab shorting to the contact on the sim? |
| 04:57.00 | linuxxr | oo |
| 04:57.02 | linuxxr | o no |
| 04:57.12 | linuxxr | hes got a good 1 |
| 04:57.31 | brian|lfs | so did he jsut f up on porting my data then |
| 04:57.39 | linuxxr | well just turn gsm on then |
| 04:57.58 | brian|lfs | it comes on automatically and all I get is phone far as I can tell |
| 04:58.15 | linuxxr | well then |
| 04:58.41 | brian|lfs | I tried installing a web broser and nothing opens |
| 04:58.57 | rooly | brian|lfs, you'll need to connect to the internet somehow |
| 04:58.58 | *** join/#openmoko tholin (n=tholin@c-9764e455.04-302-6c6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 04:59.14 | brian|lfs | I was able towith the usb cable |
| 04:59.28 | brian|lfs | I"ll trying pinging google in a minute |
| 04:59.32 | brian|lfs | maybe its a dns issue |
| 04:59.47 | linuxxr | u gotts change /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:59.57 | brian|lfs | that makes sense |
| 05:00.10 | brian|lfs | is it hard to move the cursor around in files on the touch screen |
| 05:00.15 | linuxxr | to your desktop /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:00.16 | brian|lfs | if I'm in vi |
| 05:00.33 | *** join/#openmoko gopi (n=gopi@adsl-69-232-218-5.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 05:00.51 | brian|lfs | ya I know what you mean my ips dns servers |
| 05:01.25 | brian|lfs | should the phoen say something besides at&t at the top |
| 05:01.29 | brian|lfs | for the network |
| 05:01.33 | brian|lfs | all it says is at&t |
| 05:02.00 | rooly | that's all it needs to say |
| 05:02.11 | rooly | the bar is black at the top? |
| 05:02.16 | brian|lfs | so it shouldn't need to say gprs liek the iphone |
| 05:02.45 | linuxxr | http://pastebin.com/d25e38b63 |
| 05:03.02 | rooly | no |
| 05:03.05 | rooly | this isn't an iphone |
| 05:03.21 | feydreva | for the wifi |
| 05:03.22 | undrwater | thank og |
| 05:03.24 | rooly | the only comparison that can be made to an iphone is the screeen and the price |
| 05:03.33 | feydreva | there is a new package call wifi-radar... |
| 05:03.40 | feydreva | for easy wifi configuration |
| 05:03.45 | linuxxr | where |
| 05:03.52 | rooly | lint, mofi, and apparently wifi-radar |
| 05:03.58 | feydreva | opkg intall wifi-radar |
| 05:04.00 | rooly | why don't people make bluetooth! |
| 05:04.07 | linuxxr | mofi i get errors on |
| 05:04.08 | undrwater | i hate wifi-radar for the desktop... |
| 05:04.09 | rooly | i'm gonna be stuck doing it, won't it |
| 05:04.11 | feydreva | lint is not in package : okpg |
| 05:04.21 | rooly | seems not |
| 05:04.26 | feydreva | for lint, you have to install it manuallt : cf wifi page lint-wifi |
| 05:04.37 | feydreva | wifi-radar is direclty with opkg |
| 05:04.43 | undrwater | wget lint |
| 05:06.12 | undrwater | anyone else having trouble making changes to u-boot menu stick through a reboot? |
| 05:06.36 | rooly | is about to kill someone |
| 05:06.38 | rooly | ARGH! |
| 05:06.41 | rooly | headache |
| 05:06.55 | *** join/#openmoko marcinsoo (n=soo2@acdn28.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 05:06.56 | linuxxr | wat if a simple command to hook to wifi ssid |
| 05:08.22 | rooly | i use this script: |
| 05:08.29 | undrwater | linuxxr: everything else default? |
| 05:08.55 | abraxa_ | rooly: I appoint Steve Jobs. Go get him. |
| 05:09.01 | brian|lfs | hey linuxxr if I click power up gsm network it don't pwoer up but if I click auto register it connects |
| 05:09.06 | brian|lfs | could that mean there is a problem |
| 05:09.23 | mmontour | undrwater: two things to check - make sure you did a 'saveenv', and make sure that you're booting into the NAND version of u-boot after reboot. |
| 05:09.24 | daMaestro | fuck. |
| 05:09.32 | daMaestro | well.. my device refuses to hold a charge. |
| 05:10.16 | linuxxr | need some spares |
| 05:10.18 | daMaestro | are there known hardware bugs related to charging? |
| 05:10.21 | undrwater | mmontour: so it will only show up on NAND? |
| 05:10.49 | *** join/#openmoko jeremychang (i=630e4a2a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-525fa45d89971275) |
| 05:11.02 | mmontour | I think so (but I don't have a FR to confirm it) |
| 05:11.07 | rooly | http://irrlichtirc.g0dsoft.com/paste/141 |
| 05:11.11 | feydreva | is there a google adresse speical for the mobile phone format ? |
| 05:11.26 | rooly | linuxxr, that's my quick configurator |
| 05:11.38 | rooly | modify the wpa_supplicant for whatever network your using |
| 05:11.55 | rooly | make a .desktop in /usr/share/applications to launch the script |
| 05:11.55 | undrwater | mmontour: 1973? |
| 05:12.00 | mmontour | yup |
| 05:12.03 | brian|lfs | do I have to wget wifi-radar from somewhere |
| 05:12.03 | rooly | and it auto connects to the network |
| 05:12.16 | rooly | shouldn't need to brian|lfs if it's in the repo's |
| 05:12.29 | undrwater | mmontour: so saveenv, then reboot right into NAND...and new menu item should show? |
| 05:12.33 | brian|lfs | I don't see it in the repos |
| 05:12.42 | rooly | opkg list | grep wifi-radar |
| 05:13.01 | rooly | yep |
| 05:13.02 | rooly | me neither |
| 05:13.15 | feydreva | opkg update |
| 05:13.21 | feydreva | opkg |grep wifi |
| 05:13.29 | rooly | already did that, feydreva |
| 05:13.32 | mmontour | Yes, it should show up then (after you power off and then power on again) |
| 05:13.42 | feydreva | wait |
| 05:13.46 | undrwater | mmontour: thanks i'll try that |
| 05:14.10 | linuxxr | thanks i try it |
| 05:14.25 | feydreva | maybe it s in a naother repositorie |
| 05:14.31 | rooly | must be |
| 05:14.32 | brian|lfs | I"m getting all 404 not found right now for all the sites |
| 05:14.38 | feydreva | i have couple other mre than the usual one |
| 05:14.40 | rooly | its not in scardeycat or the base repos |
| 05:14.58 | undrwater | rabenfrost? |
| 05:15.03 | feydreva | src/gz base http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/ |
| 05:15.08 | feydreva | do you have this one ? |
| 05:15.25 | feydreva | src/gz celtune-om-gta02 http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/om-gta02 |
| 05:15.27 | brian|lfs | not sure what file do I look in? |
| 05:15.28 | feydreva | and this one ? |
| 05:15.35 | feydreva | /etc/opkg |
| 05:15.46 | feydreva | you have 1 .comf file per repositorie |
| 05:16.42 | brian|lfs | all-feed.conf armv4t-feed.conf om-gta02-feed.conf |
| 05:16.42 | brian|lfs | arch.conf neo1973-feed.conf |
| 05:16.47 | brian|lfs | those are the ones I have |
| 05:16.52 | feydreva | hum when i do a opkg list |grep wifi, it doesnt give wich one it comes from |
| 05:16.56 | feydreva | yep |
| 05:17.03 | feydreva | so brian|lfs , you can add some more |
| 05:17.25 | feydreva | like the 2 i jsut gave you |
| 05:17.35 | feydreva | there is a wiki page with them |
| 05:17.35 | brian|lfs | does it matter what the conf files are called |
| 05:17.46 | feydreva | or google repositorie openmoko |
| 05:17.52 | feydreva | name doesn;t make |
| 05:17.55 | feydreva | matter |
| 05:17.58 | *** join/#openmoko rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@ip-89-102-255-171.karneval.cz) |
| 05:18.11 | feydreva | jsut inside the file copie what I jsut gave you |
| 05:18.31 | rooly | anyone know where a decent jvm is? |
| 05:19.38 | feydreva | brian|lfs, i jsut sent you the full list in private |
| 05:20.45 | feydreva | rooly, maybe http://smancke.blogs.evolvis.org/2008/08/01/phoneme-for-maemo-and-openmoko/ |
| 05:21.04 | GirlRiver | rooly: that is an oxymoron isn't it ? |
| 05:21.11 | rooly | lol |
| 05:21.23 | rooly | i'm trying to replace the om2007.2 media player |
| 05:21.24 | *** join/#openmoko ajbrun (n=ajbrun@host86-151-145-26.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 05:21.33 | rooly | and the only thing that has been promising thus far was a java one |
| 05:21.44 | undrwater | rooly: do you zaurus? |
| 05:22.09 | rooly | is that some kind of sex position? |
| 05:22.20 | undrwater | rooly: linux PDA |
| 05:22.33 | undrwater | there's a really good media player for it...uses mplayer for backend |
| 05:22.44 | undrwater | not java |
| 05:22.50 | feydreva | anybody knows how to install the same keyboard as FSo, into the 2007.2 version ? |
| 05:22.57 | rooly | i'll look into it |
| 05:23.08 | undrwater | works with qtopia and is in OE iirc |
| 05:23.27 | kd8ikt | loves fso keyboard |
| 05:23.40 | undrwater | oohhh...nice!! |
| 05:23.46 | rooly | i'm still working with om2007.2 |
| 05:23.46 | feydreva | kd8ikt, me too :) but it s not on the 2007.2 |
| 05:23.49 | kd8ikt | also qtopia's hand writting one |
| 05:23.55 | rooly | and i refuse to use the qtopia |
| 05:23.59 | feydreva | i would like the FSO one into the 2007.2 :P |
| 05:24.19 | kd8ikt | is making a latest qtopia tarball for dualboot usage |
| 05:24.43 | feydreva | because hte 2 choice of keyboard in 2007.2, one is too small, and the original one is no complete enough to surf the net |
| 05:25.01 | undrwater | rooly: doesn't require qtopia..but will work with both i think |
| 05:26.41 | kd8ikt | omfg someone made a bubble level http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/5c3da5121efbc7c904f6e31432bc2d76.png |
| 05:26.47 | kd8ikt | ieatlint: was that you? |
| 05:27.23 | rooly | oh that's awesome |
| 05:29.44 | railer | ok that's cool |
| 05:30.13 | feydreva | lol nice |
| 05:30.54 | feydreva | would be nice to find is repositorie |
| 05:31.02 | railer | anyone have any idea how to add icons in QT? I opkged a bunch of stuff but no icons for anyhting |
| 05:35.06 | railer | no ideas eh? |
| 05:37.08 | *** join/#openmoko Sup3rkiddo (n=sudharsh@unaffiliated/sudharsh) |
| 05:39.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rcca8191e8d32 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up to 188 of illume to get delayed reload of flaunch buttons. |
| 05:39.13 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r48ce75d53099 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up ot 178 of illume- fix window list issues. |
| 05:39.14 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rea6d7ee37137 10/ (29 files in 7 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 05:39.43 | *** join/#openmoko dwb (n=david@pdpc/supporter/active/dwb) |
| 05:39.56 | feydreva | ok |
| 05:39.59 | feydreva | I am going to bed... |
| 05:40.05 | feydreva | Good night / day all |
| 05:40.59 | *** join/#openmoko icman (n=icman@123-240-173-183.cctv.dynamic.lsc.net.tw) |
| 05:41.29 | *** join/#openmoko DocScrutinizer (n=jr@118-166-66-221.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 05:42.16 | *** join/#openmoko ccube (n=ccube@ssh.ccube.de) |
| 05:43.04 | *** join/#openmoko nibbo (i=nibbo@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-492fdecaf258e143) |
| 05:43.55 | rooly | ok, gonna work some more on a media player tomorrow |
| 05:43.59 | rooly | nn |
| 05:44.43 | kd8ikt | stick to mplayer |
| 05:45.02 | kd8ikt | and a frontend |
| 05:46.32 | *** join/#openmoko cnwdup_ (n=harlekin@hnvr-4dbd7b31.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 05:48.38 | undrwater | rooly: http://katastrophos.net/andre/blog/software/quasar-media-player/ |
| 05:49.08 | undrwater | hmm...it says qtopia...but i'm sure it's in OE |
| 05:49.20 | undrwater | almost sure |
| 05:49.54 | *** join/#openmoko peter-b (n=peter_b@p5497B7FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 05:50.12 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r48114b8e62b2 10/README.opreferencesd: Removed README.opreferencesd |
| 05:52.06 | *** join/#openmoko brian|lfs (n=brian@216-15-45-10.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com) |
| 05:54.55 | *** join/#openmoko fobos (n=fobos@78.90.88.244) |
| 05:55.51 | GirlRiver | anyone know of an EASY wifi that works ? |
| 05:56.14 | rooly | lint for sure, and possibly wifi-radar |
| 05:56.23 | rooly | but neither of them are in the repo |
| 05:57.14 | GirlRiver | rooly: do I need one or both and do I just "opkg install lint" ? |
| 05:58.58 | undrwater | GirlRiver: search for lint, then move it to your phone then opkg install lint<whatever>.opkg |
| 05:59.08 | undrwater | rooly: did you see quasar? |
| 05:59.12 | rooly | yeah |
| 05:59.15 | rooly | i saw it |
| 05:59.20 | *** join/#openmoko pazante (n=patrik@user113.77-105-224.netatonce.net) |
| 05:59.31 | kd8ikt | get it right its lint-wifi |
| 05:59.35 | rooly | i'm gonna do some more searching tomorrow |
| 05:59.38 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 05:59.43 | rooly | kd8ikt, give GirlRiver your link |
| 05:59.49 | kd8ikt | ugh |
| 06:00.05 | kd8ikt | opkg install http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/lint-wifi_1_armv4t.ipk |
| 06:00.30 | kd8ikt | waits for something to go wrong |
| 06:00.47 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, thank you .. and I will call it by its rightful name ... |
| 06:01.10 | kd8ikt | its still very much a beta |
| 06:01.29 | kd8ikt | and needs /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf to exist |
| 06:01.38 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Lint-wifi |
| 06:01.40 | *** join/#openmoko brian_ (n=brian@216-15-45-10.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com) |
| 06:01.41 | *** join/#openmoko mbuf (n=shakthim@61.16.248.242) |
| 06:01.59 | *** join/#openmoko ajbrun` (n=ajbrun@host86-151-145-26.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 06:02.03 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt: even if I only use WEP ? |
| 06:02.13 | *** join/#openmoko jdav_gone (n=james@d75-157-13-250.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 06:02.17 | kd8ikt | yes |
| 06:02.20 | *** join/#openmoko jamasi_ (n=jamasi@kristall.xtal.RWTH-Aachen.DE) |
| 06:02.27 | *** join/#openmoko geaaru (n=geaaru@host143-30-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 06:03.00 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=GTA02_WLAN <-- has wpa.conf examples |
| 06:03.06 | railer | do I still need to install python? |
| 06:03.37 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, thanks .. is it an auto dependancy or do I need to install manually ? |
| 06:03.58 | undrwater | GirlRiver: having fun yet? |
| 06:04.10 | kd8ikt | its a config you have to create |
| 06:04.24 | GirlRiver | undrwater, hmmm .. I think so .. but maybe not ! |
| 06:06.27 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, I think maybe It is better for me to wait for lint-wifi to be less "beta" and just use wifi-radar until then |
| 06:07.56 | *** join/#openmoko pvborza (n=paul@dhcp-e89-37.ijs.si) |
| 06:08.50 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster * r4581 10/developers/raster/ompower/power.c: fix brightness/bl power setting. |
| 06:10.03 | kd8ikt | well if you dont like beta testing and developing software and other general hacking maybe you should of bought a nokia |
| 06:11.14 | railer | oh someones a little bitchy tonight mmeeeooowww! |
| 06:11.17 | railer | :) |
| 06:11.41 | *** join/#openmoko two3four (n=erik@81-233-151-113-no82.business.telia.com) |
| 06:11.54 | *** join/#openmoko ClimDan (n=herghili@92.81.213.8) |
| 06:12.09 | undrwater | grr...u-boot menus not taking :P |
| 06:12.51 | ClimDan | Cool Euro Jobs site => new-employment eu |
| 06:12.59 | railer | I'm willing to try it kd8ikt! but I'm getting an error, even after adding python one sec |
| 06:13.05 | railer | re booting |
| 06:15.28 | *** join/#openmoko atul (n=qvantel@61.16.248.242) |
| 06:15.29 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, I am willing to try it BUT really don't feel I have the skills yet to be of any use in the Beta Testing ... that is why I asked if there was an EASY one that works |
| 06:16.18 | undrwater | nothing easy about OM apparently |
| 06:16.44 | *** join/#openmoko wolog (n=wolog@195.6.104.193) |
| 06:17.15 | kd8ikt | not yet |
| 06:17.36 | railer | anyone know why QT keeps rewriting my resolv.conf on reboot? |
| 06:17.58 | *** join/#openmoko polaru (n=polaru@193.138.97.30) |
| 06:18.16 | undrwater | railer: put an echo <someting> > /etc/resolv.conf in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:18.25 | railer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.25 | railer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.38 | railer | k |
| 06:18.52 | kd8ikt | ;) it works |
| 06:19.04 | kd8ikt | i just added that like an hour ago |
| 06:19.05 | railer | you wanted that error? |
| 06:19.17 | kd8ikt | well yeah it needs python-pygtk |
| 06:19.30 | kd8ikt | try -nodeps |
| 06:19.37 | kd8ikt | it will force it to install |
| 06:19.54 | railer | we're very proud, ok one sec |
| 06:19.56 | kd8ikt | but if you doont have pythong-gtk it wont run correctly |
| 06:20.16 | railer | what's the package |
| 06:20.17 | railer | ? |
| 06:21.14 | kd8ikt | opkg install http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/python-pygtk_2.10.4-ml8_armv4t.ipk -nodeps |
| 06:21.26 | kd8ikt | ---^ scaredycat's repo |
| 06:21.50 | *** join/#openmoko aarapov (n=aarapov@nat/redhat/x-fbeaed69806dee42) |
| 06:22.05 | kd8ikt | is setting up a triple boot env |
| 06:22.27 | kd8ikt | fso qtopia om2007.2 |
| 06:22.28 | railer | installed and configured lint |
| 06:22.32 | *** join/#openmoko drath_ (i=vmaster@p5B07FBB5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:22.48 | kd8ikt | like the icon launcher? |
| 06:22.52 | kd8ikt | i did that |
| 06:23.01 | kd8ikt | muwhaha |
| 06:23.18 | railer | QT no icon sorry :( |
| 06:23.31 | kd8ikt | asu? or qtopia |
| 06:23.46 | railer | qtopia |
| 06:24.55 | *** part/#openmoko pvborza (n=paul@dhcp-e89-37.ijs.si) |
| 06:24.55 | *** join/#openmoko milo__ (n=nilsense@dslb-088-078-012-173.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 06:28.22 | *** join/#openmoko ascot (n=ascot@vpn1-9.tu-graz.ac.at) |
| 06:29.57 | *** join/#openmoko gopi_ (n=gopi@adsl-69-232-218-5.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 06:29.57 | railer | python is whining |
| 06:30.56 | kd8ikt | well your using qtopia... it probably doesnt have the base python or mods |
| 06:31.02 | *** join/#openmoko everslick (n=clemens@91-113-61-97.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 06:33.15 | railer | root@om-gta02:~# python /usr/bin/lint-wifi.py |
| 06:33.15 | railer | warning: Not importing directory '/usr/lib/python2.5/encodings': missing __init__.py |
| 06:33.15 | railer | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 06:33.16 | railer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.16 | railer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.16 | railer | ImportError: No module named gtk |
| 06:33.55 | *** join/#openmoko NineX (i=ninex@gentoo.netzone.kom.pl) |
| 06:33.57 | *** join/#openmoko trickie|work (n=trickie@basesoft.xs4all.nl) |
| 06:34.32 | railer | suggestions? |
| 06:34.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4582 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/source/ (18 files): Rename from maps_diversity-maps* to maps_om-maps* for thumbnails |
| 06:35.10 | kd8ikt | yeah that means your pythong install is fucked |
| 06:35.30 | kd8ikt | try inneo1973 power-off |
| 06:35.35 | aggtrfrad | haha |
| 06:35.38 | kd8ikt | whoops |
| 06:35.48 | kd8ikt | paste |
| 06:36.19 | kd8ikt | sofar i think my triple boot is working, booting 2007.2 via mmc partition 3 |
| 06:37.29 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster * r4583 10/developers/raster/ompower/power.c: put in 500ms pauses around suspend/reusme |
| 06:37.39 | kd8ikt | yay now for the real bitch(qtopia) they dont exactly give out tarballs, i had to do it myself |
| 06:40.35 | *** join/#openmoko Sufflope (n=Sufflope@pha75-9-82-230-92-220.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 06:42.13 | torindel | yawns |
| 06:42.16 | torindel | moin all |
| 06:42.39 | cjb | should try sleeping soon. |
| 06:43.28 | *** join/#openmoko kvk (n=vinu@61.16.248.242) |
| 06:47.01 | *** join/#openmoko sudharsh_ (n=sudharsh@59.96.14.137) |
| 06:48.31 | *** join/#openmoko BlackFog (n=BlackFog@unaffiliated/blackfog) |
| 06:48.35 | undrwater | kd8ikt: what are you using to get to your u-boot menu? |
| 06:48.37 | ronny | omg? |
| 06:49.00 | ronny | the latest update just shiped me broken package repo configs |
| 06:49.08 | *** join/#openmoko yangh (i=7c108a34@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0ca59ef2cad9e47e) |
| 06:49.42 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster * r4584 10/developers/raster/ompower/power.c: remvoe sleeps |
| 06:50.06 | ronny | (and i didnt check them while being asked for replacing) |
| 06:51.13 | *** join/#openmoko rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@gtsgw.ttc.cz) |
| 06:51.26 | kd8ikt | ? howso u mean editing uboot menu entries? |
| 06:51.37 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Uboot#Bootloader_prompt |
| 06:51.55 | BlackFog | 'morning |
| 06:53.06 | dbmoodb | hi there just a question what is the best way of porting an existing app like ekiga to my freerunner ? |
| 06:53.40 | torindel | kd8ikt: either flash u-boot_env partition or connect with terminal emulator via usb to uboot |
| 06:54.12 | kd8ikt | usb console |
| 06:54.21 | kd8ikt | and i added an option to boot partition 3 |
| 06:54.31 | kd8ikt | after of course i made a 3rd partition |
| 06:54.38 | kd8ikt | and popuilated it |
| 06:54.50 | *** join/#openmoko ecraven (n=nex@140.78.42.107) |
| 06:54.52 | *** join/#openmoko El_Senator (n=El_Senat@wartburg.auh.dk) |
| 06:55.07 | dbmoodb | do i a) use the toolchain or use another method ? |
| 06:55.17 | torindel | undrwater: ^^ |
| 06:55.23 | kd8ikt | although my qtopia image on 2nd partition isnt booting :P VFS unable to mount rootfs |
| 06:55.39 | *** join/#openmoko tr2x (n=alvar@enclair-025.epfl.ch) |
| 06:55.45 | torindel | kd8ikt: useing ext2? |
| 06:55.52 | kd8ikt | no 3 |
| 06:55.55 | undrwater | kd8ikt: yeah...i'm getting same problem |
| 06:56.04 | undrwater | doesn't matter...ext2 or ext3 |
| 06:56.10 | kd8ikt | yup |
| 06:56.11 | kd8ikt | wtf |
| 06:56.21 | torindel | undrwater: it does matter what qtopia kernel supports ;] |
| 06:56.44 | kd8ikt | i guess it just doesnt like to be booted from sd |
| 06:56.54 | torindel | (/me booted qtopia on ext2 with their kernel it wasnt latest image thoo) |
| 06:56.58 | undrwater | torindel: i've used later OM kernels... |
| 06:57.26 | undrwater | also, i can't seem to get my u-boot entries to remain after poweroff |
| 06:57.36 | ronny | railer: wich repo has lint-wifi? |
| 06:57.39 | kd8ikt | ah maybe i should use the qtopia kernel then? <used latest om-kern on partition 1> |
| 06:57.45 | torindel | undrwater: you saved to flash? |
| 06:57.49 | kd8ikt | ronny: none |
| 06:57.59 | undrwater | i do saveenv, printenv and it shows my entry...boot into NAND, and the entry is not there |
| 06:57.59 | ronny | oh |
| 06:58.06 | kd8ikt | opkg install http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/lint-wifi_1_armv4t.ipk |
| 06:58.18 | torindel | and if you used kernel that supports it then you didnt specify correct root |
| 06:58.33 | *** join/#openmoko playya_ (n=playya@p579B8F48.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:58.49 | kd8ikt | nah i did everthing right |
| 06:58.50 | *** join/#openmoko kwek (n=kwek@188.Red-213-97-48.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 06:58.54 | ronny | hmm, anyone also got a navit build? |
| 06:58.56 | torindel | undrwater: you boot into nand and do saveenv in nand right? |
| 06:59.00 | undrwater | torindel: i'd be happy just seeing my entry in the uboot list first...then i'll worry about booting kernels |
| 06:59.08 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: lint wifi now has an ipk ? |
| 06:59.12 | undrwater | torindel: no...it was NOR |
| 06:59.12 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: any good ? |
| 06:59.23 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card <-- checkout the bottom bootmenu stuff |
| 06:59.27 | torindel | undrwater: boot into nand and saveenv in nand |
| 06:59.39 | kd8ikt | i like it dbmoodb |
| 06:59.43 | undrwater | i don't get the /dev/ttyACM0 with nand |
| 07:00.16 | torindel | undrwater: tried connecting usb cable after youre in uboot menu? |
| 07:00.22 | *** join/#openmoko rddDavid51 (n=roudoudo@gar31-1-82-224-8-235.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 07:00.31 | undrwater | torindel: no...i'll try that now |
| 07:00.39 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 07:00.40 | dbmoodb | so what is the best way of porting an app -- using the toolchain -- and if so i'm having trouble adding libraries to it ... |
| 07:02.18 | kd8ikt | ugh porting is more or less modifying the source last i checked |
| 07:02.31 | undrwater | torindel: heh...worked...thanks |
| 07:02.34 | ronny | omg, the lint-wifi code is scary |
| 07:02.45 | kd8ikt | not really its super simple |
| 07:03.11 | kd8ikt | doesnt get simpler then that excluding hello world |
| 07:03.34 | *** join/#openmoko methril (n=Methril@213.27.233.98) |
| 07:03.51 | undrwater | is it python? |
| 07:04.11 | methril | morning |
| 07:04.24 | kd8ikt | python + os + gtk modules |
| 07:04.25 | undrwater | morning methril |
| 07:04.41 | kd8ikt | so it can exec shell commands and draw a window |
| 07:04.57 | torindel | dbmoodb: start with seting up mokomake file and building image, you'll get working toolchain and ability to easy build some of libs that have bb's |
| 07:05.13 | undrwater | my father told me years ago to learn python |
| 07:05.13 | ronny | kd8ikt: well peopen("cat file").read() instead of open("file").read() is kinda scary |
| 07:05.18 | kd8ikt | and the lint_wpa is a ...adapter type program to help it interface with wpa_supplicant via the cmdline |
| 07:05.40 | kd8ikt | change it |
| 07:05.44 | kd8ikt | its like a fricken wiki |
| 07:05.48 | kd8ikt | svn rox |
| 07:06.02 | ronny | nah |
| 07:06.18 | ronny | i will avoid working with svn when i can avoid it |
| 07:06.26 | kd8ikt | git? |
| 07:06.57 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:07.25 | ronny | kd8ikt: i prefer hg, git is so full of self.shoot in foot |
| 07:07.28 | spyre | kd8ikt: watch this (or at least the first 10 minutes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 ;) |
| 07:07.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster * r4585 10/developers/raster/ompower/ (main.c power.c): fix brightness swizzle |
| 07:07.51 | kd8ikt | doesnt he love git? |
| 07:08.04 | spyre | he made git |
| 07:08.18 | spyre | so one might assume he likes it very much ;) |
| 07:08.20 | undrwater | is CIA-46 reporting bug squashes? |
| 07:09.22 | Quai | http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/04/technology/04open.html?ex=1233460800&en=3166074f2f6ca15e&ei=5087&WT.mc_id=TE-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M055-ROS-0808-HDR&WT.mc_ev=click&mkt=TE-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M055-ROS-0808-HDR |
| 07:10.23 | dbmoodb | mm |
| 07:10.48 | dbmoodb | torindel: ok -- but isn't hte mokomake a really big package ? |
| 07:11.08 | dbmoodb | all i want is ekiga or some small sip client with a gui (preferably ) |
| 07:13.00 | *** join/#openmoko |FiLiP| (n=Filip@d5152E303.access.telenet.be) |
| 07:13.04 | dbmoodb | so does one need monomake to fix library problems and the libraries -- are they for my distro or the phones ? |
| 07:13.14 | torindel | dbmoodb: mokomakefile is little script helping you setup building whole current jffs2 image (if you want to build image too it'll require about 4-5gb to build it), but you'll get working toolchain and easy way to build missing packages and libs |
| 07:13.48 | *** join/#openmoko sudharsh_ (n=sudharsh@59.96.14.137) |
| 07:13.49 | torindel | dbmoodb: no, but maybe you can directly build your broken lib with mokomakefile |
| 07:13.57 | torindel | as it have some patches/fixes |
| 07:14.02 | *** join/#openmoko opendeep (n=pradeep@61.16.248.242) |
| 07:14.23 | dbmoodb | ah --- well no the libraries -- so they are for my distro yah ? |
| 07:14.28 | undrwater | Quai: interesting article |
| 07:14.29 | kd8ikt | lol that youtube video is funny |
| 07:14.40 | dbmoodb | like i don't need to opkg-conf them ... they are just for the distro that the comp with the toolchain is running on no ? |
| 07:15.39 | torindel | dbmoodb: you specify in mokomake file (on your localpc) what moko distro you want to build, and you'll build packages for that distro too |
| 07:15.52 | dbmoodb | sure sure but the normal toolchain |
| 07:15.53 | torindel | so you can just opkg them on the moko |
| 07:16.32 | torindel | it'll build arm target toolchain on your pc |
| 07:16.57 | dbmoodb | torindel: i'm just interested in porting one sip client ... tho -- not building that much or editing the actual thing so -- the normal toolchain that i download from openmoko and use to build stuff what does that use -- i assume the libs from my pc ? |
| 07:17.30 | *** join/#openmoko almien_ (n=OJW@87-194-198-122.bethere.co.uk) |
| 07:19.03 | kgoetz | holy freedom theres a lot of updates |
| 07:19.09 | *** join/#openmoko dbmoodb_ (n=ooos@124-168-183-58.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 07:19.17 | *** join/#openmoko jfrousval (n=jfrousva@ARouen-152-1-72-150.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 07:19.42 | torindel | dbmoodb: you cant use libs from your pc, you have build arm target ones, better just use mokomake file, it'll build all you have on your moko image and more and make nice ipk from them |
| 07:20.19 | *** part/#openmoko jfrousval (n=jfrousva@ARouen-152-1-72-150.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 07:21.08 | *** join/#openmoko neldoreth (n=ascot@vpn1-9.tu-graz.ac.at) |
| 07:21.11 | *** part/#openmoko undrwater (n=russell@pool-71-160-231-186.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 07:21.23 | *** join/#openmoko simon_ (n=simon@w208.wist.uni-linz.ac.at) |
| 07:22.10 | kd8ikt | that suddenly makes sense, i wantg to mess with git now |
| 07:23.54 | dbmoodb_ | torindel: well... sure but if you have that set up can't you be ultra nice and make me ekiga ? |
| 07:23.59 | dbmoodb_ | or something with less deps ? |
| 07:27.40 | *** join/#openmoko baku (n=b@host126-168-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 07:29.30 | torindel | dbmoodb_: theres yeaphone, tapioca + gui and linphone |
| 07:30.12 | torindel | and i can build ipk for fso if you want |
| 07:30.44 | *** join/#openmoko xamindar (n=xamindar@c-76-103-17-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 07:33.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5ba3ffe5c5f8 10/packages/gtk-webcore/midori_0.0.17.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags. |
| 07:35.58 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (n=amarsh04@CPE-121-220-202-18.sa.bigpond.net.au) |
| 07:36.28 | kgoetz | decides the opkg config files hes just ben upgraded to look decidedly broken |
| 07:36.55 | kgoetz | -src/gz daily-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all |
| 07:36.56 | kgoetz | +src/gz remote-all http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all |
| 07:37.33 | *** join/#openmoko Bubbi (n=Miranda@firewall.dwarf.dk) |
| 07:37.39 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 07:37.46 | dbmoodb_ | torindel: that would be great :) |
| 07:37.47 | kd8ikt | thats a good thing |
| 07:37.57 | dbmoodb_ | torindel: where is yeaphone ? |
| 07:38.08 | dbmoodb_ | --- torindel would thank you a hell of a lot :) |
| 07:39.13 | *** join/#openmoko atul (n=qvantel@61.16.248.242) |
| 07:39.31 | dbmoodb_ | please make an ipkg of which ever is easiest and has sip support / what ever you want dude |
| 07:46.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb0e9c40ffb09 10/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-browser2_svn.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags. |
| 07:47.20 | kd8ikt | hey ugh usb networking isnt working for qtopia am i doing something wrong |
| 07:47.45 | kd8ikt | and it doesnt come with a terminal :( |
| 07:47.57 | *** join/#openmoko Xilent (n=supersti@unaffiliated/xilent) |
| 07:50.01 | dbmoodb_ | torindel: what about for the official builds ? or is that out of the question |
| 07:51.37 | emdete | if i do `wget http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile;make update-makefile;make setup;make update` i get the error "fatal: Needed a single revision" from git. isn't this supposed to work? |
| 07:51.45 | *** join/#openmoko yangh (i=7c108a34@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5c114b804c99cbd4) |
| 07:51.46 | torindel | dbmoodb_: check on some official build dir, i listed you all sip clients than can be builded |
| 07:52.15 | torindel | (i.e. all that have bb files and patches for moko) |
| 07:52.25 | dbmoodb_ | torindel: wait those can be built ? |
| 07:53.35 | torindel | dbmoodb_: i mean those have patches in openembbded (package framework that moko uses) and can be build with it |
| 07:53.41 | *** join/#openmoko yangh (i=7c108a34@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-001da7613c003caf) |
| 07:53.47 | dbmoodb_ | oh ? |
| 07:53.53 | torindel | check official build dir if there are ipk for it or not |
| 07:54.21 | dbmoodb_ | torindel: where is the official build dir ? |
| 07:54.36 | torindel | depends on your current distro |
| 07:54.59 | dbmoodb_ | well its the 2007.2 or whatever stock release -- |
| 07:55.31 | kd8ikt | nice |
| 07:56.19 | torindel | dbmoodb_: if you have opkg correctly setup just try opkg name |
| 07:56.25 | *** join/#openmoko dwb1 (n=david@a177027.upc-a.chello.nl) |
| 07:56.56 | torindel | (the packages where yeaphone, tapioca, linphone) |
| 07:56.58 | *** join/#openmoko trupheenix (n=abhi@124.124.12.157) |
| 07:57.12 | trupheenix | hi i want to know if libdb is available for openmoko |
| 07:57.32 | dbmoodb_ | torindel: well i did try those names and didn't find anything |
| 08:00.07 | torindel | you can check angstrom daily feed too |
| 08:00.20 | dbmoodb_ | torindel: im getting an error tho ... error 2 |
| 08:01.45 | dbmoodb_ | torindel: i think i check that already |
| 08:02.08 | *** join/#openmoko dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 08:03.55 | *** join/#openmoko Cap_J_L_Picard (n=ewanm89@unaffiliated/ewanm89) |
| 08:04.32 | *** join/#openmoko surf2me (n=surfer@unixboard/users/surf2me) |
| 08:06.25 | dbmoodb_ | torindel: so if i get one those with patches from oe -- from the openmoko download sources dir --- do i just om-config them ? |
| 08:06.50 | dbmoodb_ | or can i use mokomake on them ? |
| 08:13.17 | dbmoodb_ | torindel: if you have an ipkg for fso that would be great -- provides fso can do wifi i guess.. |
| 08:13.32 | *** join/#openmoko dwb (n=david@pdpc/supporter/active/dwb) |
| 08:14.02 | *** join/#openmoko icman (n=icman@123-240-173-183.cctv.dynamic.lsc.net.tw) |
| 08:15.56 | *** part/#openmoko Dunedan (n=dunedan@phoenitydawn.de) |
| 08:16.01 | *** join/#openmoko Dunedan (n=dunedan@phoenitydawn.de) |
| 08:21.25 | *** join/#openmoko Snaarf (n=chatzill@mail.bacomponents.co.uk) |
| 08:21.53 | *** join/#openmoko adjaxio (n=adjaxio@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-215-221.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 08:23.39 | Wonka | wtf?!? |
| 08:23.40 | Wonka | -src/gz daily-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all |
| 08:23.40 | Wonka | +src/gz remote-all http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all |
| 08:24.13 | Wonka | seems to be from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0_om-gta02.ipk |
| 08:24.18 | Wonka | is that correct? |
| 08:24.45 | dbmoodb_ | Wonka: i hope so ... |
| 08:24.58 | *** join/#openmoko ritz (n=ritesh@nat/redhat-in/x-dfc710ba64ed7579) |
| 08:25.13 | Wonka | how comes? |
| 08:25.28 | dbmoodb_ | no idea -- hope some on e else can answer that |
| 08:25.53 | dbmoodb_ | i think i said replace the file and it didn't |
| 08:26.26 | Wonka | i said don't replace. |
| 08:26.35 | dbmoodb_ | wait.... i thought i said relpace tho |
| 08:26.37 | dbmoodb_ | replace* |
| 08:26.55 | Wonka | default is not to |
| 08:27.00 | torindel | Wonka: it isnt |
| 08:27.09 | dbmoodb_ | oh so i should revert ? |
| 08:27.17 | Wonka | and if it was correct, i still could replace it later |
| 08:27.35 | Wonka | torindel: can a lart be applied to the responsible person then? ;) |
| 08:28.05 | dbmoodb_ | damn....so Wonka can you tell me what files it altered ? |
| 08:29.00 | dbmoodb_ | does is arm4feed meant to look like ? |
| 08:29.30 | torindel | lart? |
| 08:30.53 | dbmoodb_ | torindel: ? |
| 08:31.09 | *** join/#openmoko Infoport (n=Infoport@cpe-065-188-144-244.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 08:31.10 | *** join/#openmoko MarcOChapeau (n=mbarre@bgn92-4-82-238-213-101.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 08:31.10 | dbmoodb_ | any way to revert ? |
| 08:32.11 | torindel | dbmoodb_: modify that file by hand? |
| 08:32.24 | torindel | it wont update it again that way |
| 08:32.33 | dbmoodb_ | sure thing bob |
| 08:32.39 | dbmoodb_ | -- but torindel what did it originally look like ? |
| 08:33.13 | dbmoodb_ | that's what i don't know |
| 08:33.26 | Snaarf | morning all |
| 08:33.36 | Infoport | hello! I read that the Freerunner can boot from SD with ext2, but you must have uBoot at least from 20080723-- where do I find these builds? I only find older builds. My uBoot reports 1.3.2-moko12 May 9 2008 |
| 08:33.44 | *** join/#openmoko evolux (n=evolux@win4077.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de) |
| 08:34.21 | torindel | Infoport: check daily |
| 08:34.53 | kd8ikt | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/ |
| 08:34.56 | Infoport | torindel do you just have to install and hope it is stable, or is there a recommended (newer) version |
| 08:35.32 | torindel | just get newest one and hope it wont have too much bugs ;] |
| 08:36.02 | torindel | you can always update later to next current version |
| 08:37.31 | Infoport | any experience for or against any of the daily builds from this month? |
| 08:37.35 | kd8ikt | ^--bookmark that url |
| 08:38.41 | *** join/#openmoko tr2x (n=alvar@enclair-025.epfl.ch) |
| 08:39.22 | Infoport | kd8ikt I had looked there, but was trying to find some that were post 7-23 but somehow "stable". There doesn't seem to be a "recommended" uBoot |
| 08:39.56 | torindel | Infoport: minor usb problems when you boot with usb cable connected, but get newest one anyway |
| 08:40.36 | *** join/#openmoko ondelette (n=jmontane@html-ref.fr) |
| 08:41.39 | Infoport | torindel: what sort of usb problems? problems with opkg updates, getting IPs, or what? |
| 08:42.30 | Wonka | dbmoodb_: moment... |
| 08:42.33 | kd8ikt | you want recommended? |
| 08:42.36 | torindel | Infoport: more like nonworking usb when booted with usb cable connected, its ok when you connect usb after booting |
| 08:42.41 | dbmoodb_ | ok :) |
| 08:42.43 | kd8ikt | recommends latest! or build your own |
| 08:43.29 | Infoport | one more version question: my uBoot screen says 1.3.2-moko12 (May 9 2008), but the newer August versions seems to say 1.3.1 in the filename |
| 08:43.38 | Wonka | dbmoodb_: http://pastebin.com/m65b7adc2 |
| 08:44.08 | torindel | Infoport: yep, the 1.3.1 is newer one |
| 08:44.29 | Infoport | did the version number reverse? |
| 08:44.31 | Snaarf | I got a Freerunner yesterday, worked for a while - but today it won't power on. Could I have gotten a faulty battery? |
| 08:44.34 | *** join/#openmoko BlackFog (n=BlackFog@unaffiliated/blackfog) |
| 08:45.40 | Wonka | dbmoodb_: since i rejected the modifications, i could even tell you the unmodified contents |
| 08:45.42 | torindel | Snaarf: plug charger and try booting |
| 08:45.57 | dbmoodb_ | ah ... can you post what the fic file has in it ? |
| 08:46.20 | Snaarf | torindel: It's sitting on the charger next to me .. blank screen. The red light flashes when I push the power button, but nothing appears on the screen |
| 08:46.28 | dbmoodb_ | Wonka: just the unmodified contents ...-- like what was fic-blah feed meant to be ? |
| 08:46.29 | Infoport | Snaarf if you ran the battery all the way down, I believe it wont boot until it has enough power. Additionally, it charges faster when it recognizes the right charger, so it is best if you don't run it all the way down (so it can recognize charger sooner) |
| 08:46.58 | torindel | Snaarf: does it flash one time or all the time? |
| 08:47.18 | Snaarf | torindel: Just the once .. but it's not even doing that now |
| 08:47.24 | Wonka | dbmoodb_: of all files it tried to modify? |
| 08:47.28 | torindel | Snaarf: hold power button longer |
| 08:47.40 | dbmoodb_ | yep |
| 08:47.42 | dbmoodb_ | that would be nice |
| 08:47.48 | dbmoodb_ | just to be sure |
| 08:48.03 | Snaarf | holding |
| 08:48.45 | torindel | does it boot second after aux flashes? |
| 08:48.56 | Snaarf | I'm getting nothing now |
| 08:49.13 | Wonka | dbmoodb_: http://pastebin.com/m39eb5e9a at the end |
| 08:50.09 | torindel | Snaarf: try disconnecting power and removing battery |
| 08:50.20 | Snaarf | torindel: will do |
| 08:50.47 | *** join/#openmoko zogs (n=zogs@host19-15-static.91-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 08:51.30 | Snaarf | I tested the battery, it's at 2.73V |
| 08:52.53 | Snaarf | torindel: charger plugged in again, aux light flashed about three times |
| 08:53.06 | kd8ikt | my bootmenu has gotten messy |
| 08:55.24 | *** join/#openmoko El_Senator (n=El_Senat@wartburg.auh.dk) |
| 08:55.50 | *** join/#openmoko anno^da_ (n=anno^da@p5B07F136.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:55.59 | torindel | Snaarf: press and hold aux, and then press and hold power button |
| 08:56.12 | torindel | kd8ikt: borked it? ;] |
| 08:56.38 | torindel | kd8ikt: you can always reflash backed up u-boot_env partition |
| 08:56.52 | Snaarf | torindel: the aux light is flashing continuously now |
| 08:57.13 | Infoport | ok guess I will try the daily uBoot...it didn't seem to take long anyway. I guess there isn't a way to ever update the protected version in NOR memory? |
| 08:57.16 | ZzZzZzZzZorkman | Snaarf: when you have a recent u-boot that means it is charging |
| 08:57.41 | Zorkman | Infoport: only when you have a debug board |
| 08:57.46 | Snaarf | Good sigh then .. |
| 08:57.51 | torindel | Infoport: with debug board |
| 08:58.07 | Snaarf | Should I leave it charging for a bit before I turn it on? |
| 08:58.11 | kd8ikt | no its not b0rken its just messy i need to fix the menu var to my own pref |
| 08:59.44 | Infoport | Zorkma, torindel: thanks! I have the debug board, so once I have tried enough versions I'll update NOR to a newer stable one |
| 08:59.52 | kd8ikt | i'm just too lazy to do it now |
| 08:59.58 | Infoport | (not anytime soon) |
| 09:00.13 | Snaarf | hmm... aux has stopped flashing |
| 09:00.30 | kd8ikt | got triple boot running though ;) fso qtopia 2007.2 |
| 09:00.42 | dbmoodb_ | thank you |
| 09:01.13 | kd8ikt | split the memcard into 3 parts kernel/rootfs1/rootfs2 |
| 09:01.24 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd16a0abb7761 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update ompower - cleaner suspend/resume |
| 09:01.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra576f01d4f65 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 09:01.28 | Infoport | kd8ikt: that is why I want any easier boot to SD-- to try many differnt images without borking the main one |
| 09:02.30 | Infoport | kd8ikt: so you have 2 different systems running from the card, and the main one in the phone's mem? |
| 09:02.46 | kd8ikt | what are you waiting for flash the latest uboot then checkout http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card |
| 09:03.12 | kd8ikt | well i wouldnt consider it the "main" but its what defaults when i dont use the bootmenu |
| 09:03.14 | *** join/#openmoko lrg (n=liam@lumison.wolfsonmicro.com) |
| 09:04.10 | *** join/#openmoko pyknite (n=pyknite@83.68.218.53) |
| 09:04.10 | Infoport | kd8ikt: I'm on that page, and I've already flashed uBoot while one here :-D But I was thinking of putting systems on their own SD card, though your setup sounds easier |
| 09:04.29 | kd8ikt | still working on it though i want to pretty up the bootmenu, copy the same host ssh key to all builds etyc etc |
| 09:05.04 | kd8ikt | just make two fs's with fdisk instead of one big one |
| 09:05.24 | *** join/#openmoko icman__ (n=icman@123-240-173-183.cctv.dynamic.lsc.net.tw) |
| 09:05.28 | kd8ikt | i want a bigger card so i can go an extra mile |
| 09:05.48 | Infoport | kd8ikt: ok! just trying to lose the VFAT-requirement with the newer uBoot |
| 09:06.01 | kd8ikt | oh the kernel partition? |
| 09:06.12 | kd8ikt | mines vfat still |
| 09:06.22 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd03e76f59312 10/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-feed-configs.bb: [openmoko] Change default feed repository, again. |
| 09:06.37 | Infoport | kd8ikt: yeah the page now says that you don't need it if you have uBoot >= 07-23 |
| 09:06.59 | kd8ikt | i dont really care what fs it is as long as it works |
| 09:07.54 | kd8ikt | 256MB is more then enough room for a rootfs |
| 09:08.49 | kd8ikt | oh wait thats exactly howmuch there is in the internal rootfs |
| 09:11.22 | Snaarf | these system that's on the factory shipped freerunner ... is it based on a particular distro? |
| 09:15.35 | leinir | Snaarf: It's OpenEmbedded/Ã
nström :) |
| 09:19.25 | Snaarf | is it easier to build programs on the phone, or a desktop machine? I've not had much luck with cross-compiling in the past |
| 09:25.01 | kd8ikt | desktop |
| 09:27.23 | *** join/#openmoko greentux_ (n=lemke@8e.e.secunet.de) |
| 09:28.55 | *** join/#openmoko blan (n=blan@dslb-092-074-207-099.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 09:31.28 | Snaarf | moot anyway .. still can't get the phone switched on :-) |
| 09:32.25 | *** join/#openmoko hklein_ (n=hklein@i59F730DA.versanet.de) |
| 09:32.52 | Infoport | later! |
| 09:34.14 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r92799c4e4041 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Rename from exposure to om-settings |
| 09:40.29 | Tanuva | my gtk.TreeView doesn't show the text of tree entries, but they're there (and are clickable) - may this be a bug in the om-gtk-theme? |
| 09:59.55 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4586 10/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/setneo: [tick] put the setting routing table script on |
| 10:01.05 | ronny | weird, agpsui has 7 satelites and a fix, but tangogps tells me no fix |
| 10:02.12 | ronny | anyone ever had that? |
| 10:02.51 | *** join/#openmoko blan (n=blan@dslb-088-066-100-161.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 10:03.49 | *** join/#openmoko pwerken (n=pwerken@83.119.198.36) |
| 10:04.38 | alphaone | ronny: With what imag= |
| 10:04.45 | alphaone | e? |
| 10:04.57 | alphaone | maybe gpsd isn't running |
| 10:05.18 | kd8ikt | mornin |
| 10:05.33 | Zorkman | mornin |
| 10:06.15 | *** join/#openmoko dns53 (n=dns@ppp246-215.static.internode.on.net) |
| 10:06.39 | kd8ikt | i'm just having a hoot of a time with qtopia on the sdcard |
| 10:07.30 | dns53 | i could not get it to work either |
| 10:07.53 | ronny | alphaone: its the 2008.8 image, latest upgrades, i get # /etc/init.d/gpsd start |
| 10:07.56 | ronny | Starting gpsd: No /dev/ttyS3 GPS device, aborting gpsd startup. Check /etc/default/gpsd |
| 10:08.01 | ronny | weird?! |
| 10:08.05 | kd8ikt | ah but i wont give up dns53 |
| 10:08.13 | XorA | ttyS3? |
| 10:08.24 | XorA | that should at least be ttySAC |
| 10:08.49 | XorA | ttyS3 would be a 8250 based UART which we dont have |
| 10:08.52 | ronny | maybe something went wrong |
| 10:08.57 | dns53 | how did you create it? i used dd to write the partition, i'll try using an ext2 partition and copying the files next |
| 10:09.16 | *** join/#openmoko Tauop_ (n=tauop@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net) |
| 10:09.54 | kd8ikt | i mounted it and now i'm taring it up for transfer |
| 10:10.22 | dns53 | you can mount -o loop file /mnt/ |
| 10:10.28 | alphaone | ronny: for FR it's /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 10:10.38 | kd8ikt | sorta it took a few kmods and -t jffs |
| 10:11.09 | kd8ikt | if i get a workable tgz want me to post it? |
| 10:11.37 | kd8ikt | i'll know for sure in about 3min |
| 10:11.38 | dns53 | the instructions would be useful |
| 10:12.28 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mounting_the_JFFS2_image_on_a_loop_back_device_.28Block_Memory_MTD_Emulation.29 |
| 10:13.03 | ronny | alphaone: im rebooting, i think my env is messed |
| 10:13.24 | alphaone | k |
| 10:14.51 | *** join/#openmoko cvdstap (n=cvdstap@a80-126-48-177.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 10:15.46 | cvdstap | hello all, just wanted to ask is it possible to make normal phonecalls with the G2 at this moment? would like to support the cause but would also like to be able to use the basic funtion of the phone, that is making / recieving calls |
| 10:16.43 | *** join/#openmoko slchen (n=slchen@61-62-214-4-adsl-tao.dynamic.so-net.net.tw) |
| 10:17.05 | Snaarf | cvdstap: I made a brief call on mine yesterday, sounded good but I had to get a new SIM card -- my original one didn't work. Wouldn't get past "Registering..." |
| 10:17.23 | *** join/#openmoko margiolas (n=chris@athedsl-4458202.home.otenet.gr) |
| 10:17.41 | *** join/#openmoko ccube_ (n=ccube@ssh.ccube.de) |
| 10:17.48 | margiolas | hello openmoko is ready for use? there is hardware bugs? |
| 10:18.14 | cvdstap | Snaarf, thank you had any incoming calls yet ? |
| 10:18.26 | dns53 | it works fine as a phone, there are some 3g sims that can have problems though |
| 10:18.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | dns53, for some value of 'works fine' i guess |
| 10:18.54 | Snaarf | cvdstap: not yet .. soon as I get it working again I'll try (battery is flat, won't charge) |
| 10:19.05 | cvdstap | Snaarf, hmm ok |
| 10:19.11 | margiolas | dns53: and the problem with the sims is hardware problem? |
| 10:19.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | margiolas, of coure there are hardware bugs. all hardware has them |
| 10:20.01 | kd8ikt | needs to get whatever kernel mwester uses |
| 10:20.05 | cvdstap | Kamping_Kaiser, just as long as sofware can handle it |
| 10:20.08 | dns53 | i have no idea, i just read the mailing list |
| 10:20.42 | *** join/#openmoko ccube_ (n=ccube@ssh.ccube.de) |
| 10:20.46 | kd8ikt | alphaone: you do any kernel hackery? |
| 10:21.24 | cvdstap | but things are looking up, but i think i postpone the purchase until the first software update then |
| 10:23.23 | kd8ikt | dns53: i got it to work |
| 10:24.15 | dns53 | cool |
| 10:25.47 | margiolas | Kamping_kaiser: I know that, but i am software developer and i have no idea about hardware development i just want to know if there is any mportant hardware bug |
| 10:25.54 | kd8ikt | whew that was a pain |
| 10:26.19 | kd8ikt | likes qtopias lock/key |
| 10:26.21 | ecraven | cjb: hey ;) any luck with Xglamo so far? |
| 10:26.46 | *** join/#openmoko balrog-k1n (n=balrog@clz132.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 10:26.57 | *** join/#openmoko dwb (n=david@pdpc/supporter/active/dwb) |
| 10:27.12 | leinir | kd8ikt: i quite like zedlock's concept as well :) |
| 10:27.23 | leinir | The lock/key thing is maybe a little geeky ;) |
| 10:27.56 | kd8ikt | i respect its simplicity |
| 10:28.04 | leinir | *nods* Absolutely :) |
| 10:28.12 | leinir | It's relatively self-explanatory :) |
| 10:28.29 | kd8ikt | probably why it has fluid movement only up/down |
| 10:29.02 | leinir | And the UI itself decidedly more so than that horror they put on the HTC Diamond... tried it the other day, someone at the UNF GDC had bought it, and it's sort of... really not very good ;) |
| 10:29.43 | kd8ikt | HTC does look neat |
| 10:29.52 | leinir | Looks neat, works uselessly |
| 10:29.57 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 10:30.33 | XorA | thats the worse thing about the current gen HTC phones, awesome hardware, totally shit software |
| 10:30.51 | XorA | they dont even have drivers for their gfx chips |
| 10:31.06 | *** join/#openmoko batti (n=batti@p5B14C20A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:31.30 | dns53 | kd8ikt how did you create the image? did you mount the file system and copy the files to an ext2 partition? |
| 10:31.49 | leinir | XorA: It shows... It works smoothly, beautifully, and totally non-understandibly :P |
| 10:31.51 | kd8ikt | i mounted it first then tar'd it up and scp /untar |
| 10:32.06 | *** join/#openmoko DerHorst (n=Horst@e176109226.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 10:32.24 | kd8ikt | ok hold a sec lemmie pastebin what i used |
| 10:32.29 | dns53 | so what file system is on the card? |
| 10:32.50 | XorA | leinir: is it still the touch cube? |
| 10:32.59 | Zorkman | XorA: they don't have drivers for thei gfx, but we are not on very good terms with it either ;) |
| 10:33.32 | XorA | Zorkman: at least we can bitblt |
| 10:33.46 | XorA | Zorkman: they have powervr 3d and no driver |
| 10:34.00 | Zorkman | don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, otherwise i would have bought a htc :) |
| 10:34.18 | XorA | has a HTC and loves it, just annoying that it can never reach its full potential |
| 10:34.27 | kd8ikt | http://pastebin.com/d9aef397 |
| 10:34.45 | *** join/#openmoko dwb (n=david@pdpc/supporter/active/dwb) |
| 10:35.36 | kd8ikt | i also have a tarball of it http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/Qtopia-4.3.2-gta02-rootfs.tar.gz |
| 10:36.11 | *** join/#openmoko goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@226.84-48-126.nextgentel.com) |
| 10:36.18 | kd8ikt | next i'm gonna work on updating the /opt/Qtopia from a snapshot i compiled |
| 10:36.28 | leinir | XorA: No, it's a fluid touch type UI... It works a bit like the OS X dock with zooming and such, but... it's really useless, let's see if there's a movie of someone using it on youtube or somesuch... |
| 10:37.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r1e9c8b777fa5 10/packages/gtk-webcore/ (midori-0.0.17/midori.png midori_0.0.17.bb): [midori] Add icon for ASU in midori |
| 10:37.19 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7d60bab241cc 10/packages/mozilla/ (minimo/om-minimo.png minimo_cvs.bb): [minimo] Add icon for ASU in minimo |
| 10:37.29 | SpeedEvil | giggles about someone on #om describing another phone as useless. |
| 10:37.34 | SpeedEvil | (for some builds anyway) |
| 10:37.58 | kd8ikt | hola speedy |
| 10:38.14 | SpeedEvil | s/giggles/laughs maniacally in a manly fashion/ |
| 10:38.21 | leinir | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoaXA9un7YE |
| 10:38.22 | leinir | There |
| 10:38.44 | leinir | SpeedEvil: Well, this one isn't marketed as the salvation of all UIs, the Diamond is ;) |
| 10:39.20 | Zorkman | gpe-tetris is supersweet on the openmoko :) |
| 10:39.34 | Zorkman | if only there was a way t o turn the blocks or move them :d |
| 10:39.48 | Zorkman | (yeah i know, i should configure a pop-up keyboard in 2007.2 |
| 10:40.01 | leinir | Zorkman: Hehe... i can see some fun with the accellerometers and tetris... ;) |
| 10:40.13 | leinir | It's look really funky, but... i could see it be quite fun ;) |
| 10:40.21 | SpeedEvil | Shake it just hard enough, and some blocks fall |
| 10:40.28 | SpeedEvil | too hard, and it displays 'TILT' |
| 10:40.46 | ecraven | shake towards the left, turn left, shake towards right, turn right, shake down, block falls ;) |
| 10:41.00 | Snaarf | tiltris |
| 10:41.12 | Zorkman | SpeedEvil: yeah, lika a pinball machine, but one of those gamlbling things... you can just launch the ball and hit the machine a bit |
| 10:41.15 | leinir | SpeedEvil: No, the falling block stays the same direction, and you turn the playing field. Tipping it will act as arrow-down. Simple, but lots of fun ;) |
| 10:41.47 | SpeedEvil | GPS based would be good for excersize. |
| 10:42.14 | leinir | *giggles* How so? :) |
| 10:42.35 | SpeedEvil | You run west/east to tilt left/right |
| 10:43.04 | Zorkman | wii fit is nothing compared to that :) |
| 10:43.12 | ecraven | are the accelerometers exact enough to use for navigation in a tunnel? |
| 10:43.15 | leinir | *giggles* That'd be quite funky ;) |
| 10:43.19 | SpeedEvil | echarp: no |
| 10:43.21 | *** join/#openmoko MrShlee (n=MrShlee@219-90-185-46.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 10:43.21 | SpeedEvil | ecr: |
| 10:43.41 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: google openmoko technical accelerometers |
| 10:44.35 | *** join/#openmoko Varox (n=Varox@p4FD44987.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:44.45 | *** join/#openmoko crib (n=chris@port-195-158-167-6.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 10:45.40 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r21289f9bca43 10/packages/mozilla/minimo_cvs.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags. |
| 10:48.34 | dns53 | w00t now i have qtopia dual booting off a card, thanks kd8ikt :) |
| 10:48.46 | dns53 | should i write it up in the wiki? |
| 10:48.59 | leinir | dns53: Please do, that is, fix the existing article :) |
| 10:49.22 | kd8ikt | yeah that existing one is flawed |
| 10:49.55 | kd8ikt | i was about to edit a tidbit here and there |
| 10:49.59 | leinir | Quite so, i never got it working :) |
| 10:50.43 | kd8ikt | is triple booting w00t |
| 10:51.08 | kd8ikt | fso qtopia 2007 |
| 10:51.30 | ecraven | grub on the sd card? |
| 10:51.47 | kd8ikt | Das U-boot |
| 10:52.39 | kd8ikt | for some reason when i paste in uboot console it likes to corrupt the prompt |
| 10:53.05 | dns53 | it warns you about that in the docs somewhere |
| 10:53.06 | Wonka | i want that lightsaber application they made for the macbook on my freerunner! |
| 10:53.10 | leinir | curse you, kd8ikt! Now i've gotta listen to that track! ;) |
| 10:53.18 | leinir | Wonka: ...eh? :) |
| 10:53.23 | leinir | The sound thing? :) |
| 10:53.31 | Wonka | leinir: waving your macbook makes lightsaber sounds |
| 10:53.38 | Wonka | leinir: and _that_ on the fr.... |
| 10:53.38 | kd8ikt | ... oh you clicked the rickroll page |
| 10:53.53 | leinir | Yes, that would work decidedly better on a handheld device :) |
| 10:53.54 | kd8ikt | lol idiot doesnt it say dont click or somethin |
| 10:54.08 | leinir | kd8ikt: no, the U96 version of the Das Boot theme ;) |
| 10:54.22 | kd8ikt | duuu dun dun dahhh |
| 10:55.12 | Wonka | the movie is good too |
| 10:55.37 | Wonka | da dadadadadadaaaa dadadadadadaDAAAAA |
| 10:55.39 | *** join/#openmoko Sup3rkiddo (n=sudharsh@unaffiliated/sudharsh) |
| 10:55.40 | kd8ikt | oh yea ever play that linux submarine sim? |
| 10:55.44 | Wonka | *PINGGG* |
| 10:55.54 | kd8ikt | i forget the name |
| 10:56.03 | Wonka | linux? dont know any there |
| 10:56.05 | kd8ikt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATEjQhdfA8U |
| 10:56.14 | Wonka | but i did play silent hunter II a lot |
| 10:56.18 | kd8ikt | danger deep |
| 10:56.20 | *** join/#openmoko aarapov (n=aarapov@nat/redhat/x-a582cda96fbe8b81) |
| 10:56.23 | kd8ikt | or somethin |
| 10:56.35 | Wonka | Death of the Shimano |
| 10:56.38 | Wonka | Sink the Yamato |
| 10:56.41 | Wonka | and stuff |
| 10:56.43 | kd8ikt | i wonder if its made any progress since last time i toyed with it |
| 10:56.52 | Wonka | "aye aye sir" in adlib sound... |
| 10:56.58 | Wonka | those were the times |
| 10:57.14 | leinir | np: Das Boot by U96 on 20 Years of MTV-German Charts through Ampache using Amarok 2 ;) |
| 10:57.28 | kd8ikt | and isnt that captain the guy in beerfest? kinda had a double meaning when they were like DASBOOT |
| 10:58.17 | kd8ikt | http://dangerdeep.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:00.30 | *** join/#openmoko Gyb (n=Gyb@f053154063.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 11:00.47 | *** join/#openmoko hiciu (n=hiciu@host-91-200-27-218.leon.com.pl) |
| 11:03.11 | *** join/#openmoko ruoso (n=ruoso@201.45.49.162) |
| 11:06.19 | *** join/#openmoko Tauop (n=tauop@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net) |
| 11:06.46 | *** join/#openmoko GirlRiver (n=annie@97.91.221.203.static.comindico.com.au) |
| 11:07.36 | dns53 | kd8ikt should i modify that artile or edit http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD and link to the create page? |
| 11:09.48 | kd8ikt | i dunno |
| 11:11.43 | *** join/#openmoko playya_ (n=playya@p579B8F48.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:11.56 | *** join/#openmoko MrShleee (n=MrShlee@219-90-185-46.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 11:11.58 | kd8ikt | small things like the tar commmand it says to do failed for me i had to do it my own way |
| 11:12.09 | torindel | note: theres wiki page about booting qtopia from sd card |
| 11:12.24 | *** join/#openmoko Tauop (n=tauop@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net) |
| 11:12.26 | dns53 | you don't need to use tar and scp, you just need a ext2/3 partition on the sd card for the root fs |
| 11:12.31 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner |
| 11:16.43 | *** join/#openmoko vaiursch (n=erwin@84-75-31-79.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 11:17.50 | *** join/#openmoko RedDog (n=reddog@2001:6f8:90f:1:0:0:0:1) |
| 11:18.41 | *** join/#openmoko Tauop (n=tauop@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net) |
| 11:20.27 | *** join/#openmoko GirlRiver (n=annie@97.91.221.203.static.comindico.com.au) |
| 11:22.49 | *** join/#openmoko MrShlee (n=MrShlee@219-90-185-46.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 11:22.50 | *** join/#openmoko xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-7ba67582652332cd) |
| 11:25.26 | dns53 | how does this look? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner#Installing_Root_Filesystem |
| 11:26.03 | *** join/#openmoko t_s_o (n=tso@227.84-49-129.nextgentel.com) |
| 11:28.06 | Zorkman | lately http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ is down a lot |
| 11:28.10 | torindel | dns53: if you edit that little sugestion: scp to /tmp |
| 11:28.23 | torindel | it'll be gazillion times faster |
| 11:28.43 | dbmoodb_ | ext2 is recommend for sdcards btw |
| 11:28.44 | dns53 | than copying from a local mount point to another local mount point? |
| 11:29.14 | torindel | dns53: coping file from sd card to sd card |
| 11:29.18 | torindel | try * |
| 11:29.42 | torindel | it'll be much faster if you first copy to /tmp and then copy from /tmp to sd card |
| 11:29.47 | dns53 | i am copying from my computer's memory to the sd card |
| 11:30.07 | torindel | and then you're extracting file thats on sd card to sd card |
| 11:30.16 | torindel | and its slow |
| 11:31.00 | dns53 | no i'm mounting an .jffs2 image and copying it to a sd card |
| 11:31.01 | torindel | dns53: like i said just try coping file form sd card to sd card and compare that with first coping to /tmp and then from /tmp to sd card |
| 11:31.42 | torindel | dns53: "cd /media/mmcblk0p2 tar xzf qtopia-4.3.2-gta02-rootfs-07172049.tar.gz |
| 11:31.45 | torindel | " |
| 11:31.59 | torindel | youre reading file from sd card and extracting it to sd card |
| 11:32.17 | *** join/#openmoko spdr (n=spdr___@217.132.145.178) |
| 11:32.27 | dns53 | maybe i have written it wrongly |
| 11:32.46 | torindel | better scp to /tmp and untar it from there |
| 11:34.41 | dns53 | what i did was extract the tar from qtopia.net, mount the qtopia.jffs2 to a drive, create 2 partitions on the sd card, copy the uImage to the fat, and then copy the loop back mount to the ext2 partition |
| 11:34.54 | beni_ | did someone have turned his freerunner into an gps antennae that spreads the gps signal via bluetooth? (bluetooth-gps device) |
| 11:35.06 | Zorkman | anybody know if it is safe to upgrade 2007.2 image? |
| 11:35.30 | dns53 | beni_ there are instructions in the wiki, i have not tried them yet |
| 11:35.39 | beni_ | oh yes? where? |
| 11:35.46 | beni_ | havent found anything there |
| 11:36.29 | *** join/#openmoko MrShleee (n=MrShlee@219-90-185-46.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 11:36.57 | dbmoodb_ | you know that ext3 is probably not the best thing to use on a sdcard because it might cause premature death of the card |
| 11:37.01 | kd8ikt | oh man i hate messing with uboot console |
| 11:37.10 | dns53 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS > bluetooth gps gateway |
| 11:37.11 | *** join/#openmoko bumbl (n=bumbl@91-113-60-187.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 11:37.27 | beni_ | dns53: thanks |
| 11:37.45 | kd8ikt | bootmenu is confusing |
| 11:38.44 | trupheenix | i need help with om-conf |
| 11:39.37 | torindel | dbmoodb_: i'm using ext2, i didnt say anything about ext3 |
| 11:40.37 | *** join/#openmoko cvdstap (n=cvdstap@a80-126-48-177.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 11:40.44 | trupheenix | i'm confused about using om-conf. do i need to have makefiles in place already in order to use it |
| 11:40.50 | *** join/#openmoko jancona (n=jancona@pool-70-19-233-242.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 11:40.57 | trupheenix | or does it generate everything by itself? |
| 11:41.49 | trupheenix | ?? |
| 11:41.58 | dns53 | torindel oh now i see what you are getting at, i'm mounting the card on my computer where with scp you have the card mounted on the device |
| 11:43.40 | torindel | dns53: i was just saying that operations from sd card to sd card are slow (esp on moko) so if you're editing that wiki page you can fix that |
| 11:44.37 | *** join/#openmoko pyknite (n=pyknite@83.68.218.53) |
| 11:45.12 | *** join/#openmoko valos (n=valos@APuteaux-153-1-27-36.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 11:45.24 | dns53 | yes, i'm rewriting that bit |
| 11:47.19 | SpeedEvil | torindel: for a moment, I thought you were talking about a dual SD :) |
| 11:48.30 | dbmoodb_ | yeah and i'm sorry for trolling |
| 11:49.14 | beni_ | is there are way to grab gps stats from commandline? how can i know from shell if i got a fix? |
| 11:49.16 | dns53 | i can remember that someone was going to port asterisk to it |
| 11:49.25 | dbmoodb_ | dns53: asterisk has been ported |
| 11:49.48 | *** join/#openmoko AJuOnLiNE (n=Legend@unaffiliated/ajuonline) |
| 11:49.52 | dns53 | i use agpsui http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/openmoko-agpsui.ipkg |
| 11:50.07 | dbmoodb_ | but there is no aix client yet.... + it shouldn't be too hard to port a simple sip client if you have monomake / the open devel stuff set up which is to big for me to download |
| 11:50.31 | dbmoodb_ | dns53: dns53 can't you cat /dev/gps something ? |
| 11:50.38 | torindel | SpeedEvil: ;] |
| 11:50.40 | dbmoodb_ | sorry /proc |
| 11:50.42 | dns53 | give it try |
| 11:51.06 | dns53 | look for the perl script for agps |
| 11:51.25 | torindel | dns53: asterisk is on oe too |
| 11:51.31 | torindel | so you can make ipk |
| 11:51.45 | dbmoodb_ | torindel: yeah but we need a client too so... |
| 11:51.53 | spdr | can i fully use perl on the freerunner ? |
| 11:51.58 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.05 | SpeedEvil | spyre: it's not installed |
| 11:52.06 | torindel | dbmoodb_: i said you that there was about 3 ported clients |
| 11:52.07 | SpeedEvil | spd: |
| 11:52.14 | *** join/#openmoko Gnutoo (n=gnutoo@80.125.173.55) |
| 11:52.16 | dbmoodb_ | torindel: and i said i can't compile them |
| 11:52.16 | torindel | just setup your mokomakefile and build them |
| 11:52.37 | dbmoodb_ | mokomake file -- can i do thatwithout having to build all of the openmoko 2007.2 release ? |
| 11:53.17 | *** join/#openmoko CVirus (n=Satan@62.135.96.240) |
| 11:53.22 | torindel | all of yes, but it'll build all libs that are required (regardless if you have them on moko already or not) |
| 11:53.41 | dbmoodb_ | well isn't that a big download |
| 11:54.10 | dbmoodb_ | like i would do it but i don't have the bandwidth for the download of *everything* |
| 11:54.40 | torindel | how much bw limit you got? |
| 11:54.51 | dbmoodb_ | not much |
| 11:54.56 | dbmoodb_ | i'm in australia |
| 11:55.20 | dbmoodb_ | what happened to java for the openmoko --- is it still jalimo ? |
| 11:55.41 | dns53 | i think so, i need to try it some time |
| 11:55.52 | torindel | i seen couple javavm's in oe, you could try building them |
| 11:56.32 | dbmoodb_ | again torindel i don't have the bandwidth -- isn't there a better way to do this ? like adding libs to my comp ... via cross compiling -- i thought you could do that ... |
| 11:57.18 | torindel | dbmoodb_: you need corect headers |
| 11:57.33 | torindel | and packages on moko images are headerless |
| 11:57.56 | torindel | dbmoodb_: cant you go to someone who can dl and burn sources for you? |
| 11:57.57 | kd8ikt | i wonder if its made any progress since last time i toyed with itced it is not installed anymore, if it |
| 11:58.00 | kd8ikt | ever was, that is, (and not available in the official feeds i got in my |
| 11:58.09 | kd8ikt | whhopz accidental paste |
| 11:58.09 | torindel | dbmoodb_: it should fit on one or two cd's |
| 11:58.14 | dbmoodb_ | torindel: well how big ? |
| 11:58.39 | AJuOnLiNE | how powerful is the GPS in the freerunner ? |
| 11:59.15 | torindel | AJuOnLiNE: define "powerful" |
| 11:59.23 | Zorkman | will it bend? |
| 11:59.27 | Zorkman | *blend |
| 11:59.27 | AJuOnLiNE | lol :P |
| 11:59.37 | AJuOnLiNE | wrong question :) |
| 11:59.37 | AJuOnLiNE | sorry |
| 11:59.43 | Zorkman | and do can it be used to attrackt chicks :) |
| 11:59.47 | AJuOnLiNE | goes to RTFM |
| 12:01.10 | dbmoodb_ | torindel: so is that 1.blah gb ? |
| 12:01.32 | torindel | dbmoodb_: 1.blah or less |
| 12:02.18 | dbmoodb_ | and once i get that --- how hard is it to make stuff ?... do i just go make blah within the environment ? |
| 12:02.33 | torindel | bitbake blah |
| 12:02.44 | torindel | and you copy out ipk to moko |
| 12:02.49 | dbmoodb_ | sounds fun |
| 12:02.50 | Zorkman | AJuOnLiNE: if you meant accurate, i have not much experiance with gps devices, but it is definetly accurate anough for OSM mapping |
| 12:03.12 | dbmoodb_ | torindel: wish some one here had it setup for the 2007.2 release and could just do that (make some packages for me then) if it is really that easy |
| 12:03.13 | AJuOnLiNE | Zorkman: thanks.. :) |
| 12:03.23 | *** join/#openmoko mmaestri (i=a8e2286f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cc343f5d00e81a6d) |
| 12:03.24 | Zorkman | AJuOnLiNE: if you meant TTFS: 40-50sec outdoors in good conditions, 300sec indoors with a window nearby |
| 12:03.26 | dbmoodb_ | or any release for that batter |
| 12:03.29 | dbmoodb_ | matter* |
| 12:03.44 | torindel | you just need to setup mokomakefile for correct distro and machine (neo in our case ;]) |
| 12:04.27 | dbmoodb_ | sure sounds ok... torindel so you need monomakefile to use bitbake because it needs the environment ? |
| 12:04.35 | beni_ | dns53: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Software:GPS_proxy <- works |
| 12:04.45 | torindel | dbmoodb_: plus most of sources are shared between all moko distro so you can build all of them without downloading too much extra stuff |
| 12:05.22 | torindel | dbmoodb_: mokomakefile is just easy way to setup bitbake and openembded repository |
| 12:05.28 | dbmoodb_ | torindel: in that case i don't see why an ipkg of one of the 3 sip clients you said has not been make available as an ipkg |
| 12:05.37 | *** join/#openmoko alphabeat (n=nick@60-241-37-3.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 12:06.07 | torindel | dbmoodb_: not everyone build every package thats availble via openembded |
| 12:06.13 | dbmoodb_ | sure sure |
| 12:06.32 | dbmoodb_ | but i'm just suprised no one has made one available yet .... i will as soon as i get the environment setup |
| 12:06.34 | torindel | since there are a lot of stuff for other palmtops ;p |
| 12:06.43 | torindel | you can build a lot of nokia stuff |
| 12:06.47 | torindel | for example |
| 12:06.49 | dbmoodb_ | oh ? |
| 12:07.16 | dbmoodb_ | there's an idea running nokia's debian on an openmoko |
| 12:07.18 | dbmoodb_ | rofl |
| 12:07.40 | torindel | well if you compile it for arm4 you can try |
| 12:08.04 | torindel | ;] |
| 12:08.33 | dbmoodb_ | ok... |
| 12:08.50 | *** join/#openmoko Tauop (n=tauop@hoth.linagora.com) |
| 12:08.54 | dns53 | there is a debian tar on the wiki |
| 12:09.21 | dbmoodb_ | dns53: yeah i have debootstrapped my own (lenny -- don't like sid so much) and its running on the sdcard |
| 12:09.59 | dns53 | cool, i want an ubuntu mobile and embeded port |
| 12:10.38 | matholio | does the debian build support phone functions ? |
| 12:10.50 | dns53 | not that i can see |
| 12:11.12 | matholio | shame. I miss debian since moving to ubuntu. |
| 12:13.02 | *** join/#openmoko cvdstap_ (n=cvdstap@a80-126-48-177.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 12:13.43 | Zorkman | is there a way to run mplayer with a gui on the freerunner? i can run it and play audio with it, but no gui |
| 12:14.32 | *** join/#openmoko ccube (n=ccube@ssh.ccube.de) |
| 12:14.53 | XorA | Zorkman: knock up a decent embedded gui for it |
| 12:16.24 | baird | Anyone tried using the preload daemon, to see what improvement it gives? |
| 12:17.28 | torindel | baird: better play with prelink |
| 12:18.31 | torindel | that'll give you some improvements without your moko doing anything on its own |
| 12:18.38 | Ainulindale | roh: still waiting for an answer to my mail :-) |
| 12:19.06 | dbmoodb_ | well who says it can't use the phone parts ? |
| 12:19.13 | dbmoodb_ | the kernel works... |
| 12:23.28 | *** join/#openmoko mmaestri1 (i=a8e2286f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aa2711a07e6b2670) |
| 12:25.27 | *** join/#openmoko tsdogs (n=tsdogs@62.123.180.130) |
| 12:26.36 | kd8ikt | you mean for debian? |
| 12:27.08 | kd8ikt | yeah i dont see why it wouldnt work just need those gsm userspace stuff |
| 12:27.29 | *** join/#openmoko playya (n=playya@p579B8F48.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:27.56 | beni_ | ok, since i am NMEA agnostic, how can i know from command line, if i got gps fix? is there any small nice shell application for that? |
| 12:28.14 | beni_ | cat /dev/TTSAC1 helps me niot |
| 12:32.14 | dbmoodb_ | ? |
| 12:32.22 | dbmoodb_ | beni_: it will say your location ... |
| 12:33.25 | torindel | kd8ikt: custom kernel, custom X drivers, custom X server, custom mouse driver |
| 12:33.34 | matholio | 2008.8 is out on 2008.08.08 right ? |
| 12:34.15 | dbmoodb_ | kd8ikt: ah guys -- you realise that we can now make a small script to make it (the openmoko) a gps device over bluetooth -- all you need to do is output the results of /dev/TTSAC1 over bluetooth to gpsd or blah running on another computer |
| 12:34.33 | kd8ikt | has done that |
| 12:34.40 | kd8ikt | using gpspipe |
| 12:34.48 | dns53 | opkg is upgrading quite a bit today |
| 12:34.49 | kd8ikt | and kismet on my other machine |
| 12:35.09 | *** join/#openmoko cjb (n=cjb@pullcord.laptop.org) |
| 12:35.37 | Zorkman | dns53 what image are you running? |
| 12:35.46 | dns53 | asu |
| 12:40.53 | *** join/#openmoko alex-weej (n=alex@cpc1-darl2-0-0-cust537.midd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 12:46.54 | *** join/#openmoko tsdogs (n=tsdogs@62.123.180.130) |
| 12:47.10 | Zorkman | whats is the name of the bar on the bottom of the screen in fedora? where all your windows are listed? |
| 12:47.18 | Zorkman | i need it to look up what to do if it crashed :) |
| 12:47.59 | dns53 | the gnome panel? |
| 12:49.34 | Zorkman | don't know, you know, that thing that is called the taskbar in windows (doh, probably is the same in linux :)) |
| 12:53.04 | dbmoodb_ | its called a panel Zorkman |
| 12:53.29 | dbmoodb_ | window list ? |
| 12:53.46 | Zorkman | thanks |
| 12:54.03 | Zorkman | the problem solved itself... after 10 mintues of not being able to click on it it works again.... |
| 12:54.03 | *** join/#openmoko Ian00 (n=root@ip68-7-135-13.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 12:54.27 | torindel | thats gnome for you ;] |
| 12:54.28 | Zorkman | guess it was worth that 10$ i spent on +10 regeneration |
| 12:55.53 | dns53 | are there any good games ppl play? |
| 12:56.40 | dbmoodb_ | dns53: are you quoting from a movie |
| 12:57.16 | dns53 | no, what games do ppl play on thair freerunner? |
| 12:57.48 | leinir | 15-pieces ;) |
| 12:57.52 | leinir | and mines :) |
| 12:57.58 | Zorkman | kobedelux a few times |
| 12:58.03 | kd8ikt | how the fudge do i install this qpk |
| 12:58.16 | Zorkman | monkey island 2, but i didn't have a keyboard to pop-up then |
| 12:58.26 | torindel | dns53: try this if youre bored: http://strony.aster.pl/kominek/bloxorz_miniclip.swf |
| 12:58.33 | beni_ | i found cgps from the gps-utils package |
| 12:58.43 | leinir | kd8ikt: To install qpks you need to set up a feed and point the qtopia package manger at it... |
| 12:58.46 | Zorkman | http://fantasticcontraption.com/ also pretty cool |
| 12:59.05 | kd8ikt | fudge |
| 12:59.11 | leinir | Absolutely yes :) |
| 12:59.22 | leinir | The Incredible Machine was always one very nifty concept :) |
| 13:00.27 | *** join/#openmoko Ryback_ (n=ulisses@enlightenment/developer/ryback) |
| 13:00.37 | Zorkman | dns53: you could also try to play a song on epiano :) |
| 13:01.42 | matholio | Armadillo Run, also fun. |
| 13:02.18 | beni_ | is there any way to simulate a mous with two buttons? |
| 13:02.19 | Zorkman | or supertux when you have a keyboard pop-up |
| 13:02.34 | beni_ | i want to play settlers 1 and there is that nasty "special" click to raze buildings |
| 13:02.34 | Zorkman | yeah: i think edistar has done that with debian on the freerunner |
| 13:02.39 | Zorkman | long press = right click |
| 13:03.03 | beni_ | Zorkman: the problem is that you need to press both buttons |
| 13:03.06 | beni_ | right, then left |
| 13:03.16 | beni_ | while rigth remains pressed |
| 13:03.38 | beni_ | time for multitouch ;) |
| 13:04.20 | Ian00 | can freerunner do internet via cellular? |
| 13:04.27 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:04.38 | AJuOnLiNE | that is GPRS. right ? |
| 13:05.14 | SpeedEvil | yes. 5kbytes/sec or so, up to 2s delay |
| 13:05.18 | SpeedEvil | (and wifi) |
| 13:05.23 | Zorkman | beni_: gesture recognition :p |
| 13:06.29 | trupheenix | weird |
| 13:06.34 | trupheenix | opkg update fails! :( |
| 13:06.58 | *** join/#openmoko alvarezp (n=alvarezp@201.139.193.23) |
| 13:07.02 | *** join/#openmoko nomeata (i=nobody@nomeata.de) |
| 13:07.14 | Ian00 | how reliable/stable is phone calling? sounds like it is quite stable, is that right? |
| 13:07.41 | trupheenix | it cannot verify signatures. |
| 13:07.44 | beni_ | did someone already connected a mouse to the fr? |
| 13:07.45 | trupheenix | any one facing similar issues? |
| 13:08.07 | Snaarf | My phone finally charged -- but only with the adapter. Can't it be charged from a USB port? |
| 13:08.50 | *** join/#openmoko dwmw2_gone (i=ctrlprox@baythorne.infradead.org) |
| 13:08.50 | trupheenix | Snaarf: yes it can |
| 13:09.00 | trupheenix | Snaarf: just connect it! |
| 13:09.15 | Snaarf | I had it connected all morning ... couldn't get any life out of the phone at all |
| 13:09.41 | AJuOnLiNE | Snaarf: was the phone switched on ? |
| 13:09.42 | beni_ | Snaarf: first loading need to be done with plug loader i think |
| 13:09.48 | *** join/#openmoko rysiek (n=rysiek@brama.elka.pw.edu.pl) |
| 13:09.49 | beni_ | there was soe text on the wiki saying that |
| 13:09.55 | rysiek | hi guys |
| 13:10.03 | beni_ | because it may happen that the internel loading circuit cant turn on |
| 13:10.09 | beni_ | if the battery is too low |
| 13:10.14 | Snaarf | AJuOnLiNE: The battery was flat, so off |
| 13:10.14 | Ian00 | is phone calling on freerunner stable enough to use as a primary phone? |
| 13:10.20 | rysiek | a quicki - did the software GPS fix make it into pakcages/repos already? |
| 13:10.31 | Snaarf | ah that might explain it beni_ |
| 13:11.11 | rysiek | Ian00: pretty much yeah, although the battery stays alive for a day at the most |
| 13:12.11 | Ian00 | a day is very usable, i'm not in the jungle ... i have daily access to an outlet. |
| 13:12.13 | dingman | anyone know the default root password for the TrollTech Free Runner image? |
| 13:12.31 | Snaarf | right .. now when I try "opkg install mplayer" I get this: "An error ocurred, return value: 2." |
| 13:12.49 | dns53 | it is not in the repositories |
| 13:13.01 | Snaarf | good enough reason |
| 13:13.37 | Snaarf | the error is a bit vague |
| 13:13.56 | rysiek | Snaarf: opkg install openmoko-mplayer |
| 13:14.14 | *** join/#openmoko pvborza (n=paul@groundhog.ijs.si) |
| 13:14.14 | Snaarf | rysiek: same |
| 13:14.53 | rysiek | openmoko-mediaplayer2 |
| 13:15.02 | rysiek | Snaarf: this time I actually checked ;) |
| 13:15.03 | *** join/#openmoko jancona (n=jancona@38.97.74.254) |
| 13:15.18 | *** join/#openmoko mmaestri (i=a8e2286f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aa1061120d9c8d0c) |
| 13:15.32 | mmaestri | hi all |
| 13:15.36 | Snaarf | hehe .. tried to do opkg list but my ssh connection to the phone has stalled.. |
| 13:15.50 | mmaestri | having trouble with opkg proxy settings |
| 13:15.53 | rysiek | Snaarf: configured bluetooth for it today here ;) |
| 13:16.10 | Snaarf | rysiek: nice - difficult? I'm leaving that for later |
| 13:16.16 | rysiek | guys, any hints as to whether or not the software GPS/SD fix got into mainline repos? |
| 13:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko zkies (n=zkies@adsl-76-227-77-8.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net) |
| 13:16.24 | rysiek | Snaarf: pretty easy |
| 13:16.35 | CVirus | is GNUStep available for OM ? |
| 13:16.57 | rysiek | Snaarf: and gives you the possibility to simultaneously charge the battery with the charger (3-4 times faster) and ssh |
| 13:17.11 | Snaarf | I'm ssh'ed over wifi |
| 13:17.16 | rysiek | ah |
| 13:17.20 | Snaarf | :-) |
| 13:17.27 | Snaarf | can't ping the phone, but it's alive... |
| 13:18.46 | rysiek | ho-hummm... seems like using AGPS to get the First Fix and at the same time trying to play oggs doesn't work. |
| 13:18.51 | dns53 | are there many applications that use gnustep? |
| 13:19.36 | dns53 | rysiek i am not surprised |
| 13:20.00 | rysiek | dns53: elaborate a bit, please? |
| 13:20.03 | *** join/#openmoko tsdogs_ (n=tsdogs@62.123.180.130) |
| 13:20.29 | *** part/#openmoko matholio (n=matt@124-170-0-5.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 13:20.31 | dns53 | read about the gps hardware bug, there is too much noise between the sd card and the gps |
| 13:20.57 | rysiek | dns53: yeah, didn't think it affects reading from SD too |
| 13:21.11 | dns53 | there is a hardware fix of soldering a capacitor to limit the current and a software fix to reduce the clock |
| 13:21.17 | rysiek | dns53: maybe you know - did the software fix get into the repos already? |
| 13:21.22 | Zorkman | rysiek: how did you use the AGPS? is there a wiki page on that subject? i can't find it |
| 13:21.36 | dns53 | it was released within a few days |
| 13:22.07 | rysiek | dns53: I opkg upgraded today and it doesn't seem to work, the fix still takes 20+mins |
| 13:22.13 | Zorkman | i remember reading on the mailinglists we had to get an accound @ u-blox |
| 13:22.20 | rysiek | Zorkman: wiki -> Getting Started -> GPS |
| 13:22.49 | dns53 | try the hardware fix |
| 13:23.20 | beni_ | dns53: that is not that easy to solde |
| 13:23.26 | beni_ | its is...very... small. |
| 13:23.40 | SpeedEvil | The component in question is 0.8*0.4mm |
| 13:23.40 | rysiek | dns53: I'll be getting another FreeRunner from a second batch sent to Poland, they are supposed to have it already |
| 13:23.47 | Zorkman | rysiek: that does not yet use AGPS... |
| 13:23.48 | *** join/#openmoko playya (n=playya@p579B8F48.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:23.52 | rysiek | ffs... that IS small |
| 13:24.12 | rysiek | Zorkman: wait, we might be thinking of different 'AGPS' |
| 13:24.27 | rysiek | Zorkman: I am talking about AGPS Test GUI |
| 13:24.41 | rysiek | Zorkman: the testing app on the FreeRunner |
| 13:25.10 | dbmoodb_ | could some one port ppracer like app and use the acceleromaters as control ? |
| 13:25.13 | dbmoodb_ | that would be amazing |
| 13:25.35 | beni_ | someone soldered that at home? |
| 13:25.38 | rysiek | Zorkman: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Howto_Test_Your_GPS_with_agpsui |
| 13:26.32 | Tanuva | are there any known problems with kernel 2.6.26 and usb networking? |
| 13:26.41 | *** join/#openmoko Flinx (i=4ca0afe6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7c933de9ba5bb16b) |
| 13:26.42 | Zorkman | yeah i understand know, i thought you were talking about testing wit AGPS enabled |
| 13:27.12 | Flinx | hello all |
| 13:27.12 | Zorkman | (that is when you download efemerides from the u-blox server and you get a faster fix) |
| 13:27.16 | Zorkman | llo flinkx |
| 13:27.33 | Snaarf | aww,, no vim |
| 13:28.32 | rysiek | Snaarf: vi |
| 13:28.49 | rysiek | ho-humm again... after turning GPS off, I still can't play oggs |
| 13:29.28 | *** join/#openmoko quickdev (n=quickdev@p5B055C8B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:29.47 | rysiek | mp3's seem to play fine, darn it |
| 13:30.02 | Snaarf | the supplied ogg123 doesn't seem to work with pulseaudio |
| 13:30.12 | *** join/#openmoko gcwilson (n=gcwilson@cpe-70-112-190-84.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 13:30.21 | Zorkman | rysiek: maybe you don't have the codecs for it? (just guessing) |
| 13:30.35 | rysiek | they play for 2-5 seconds, and then silence |
| 13:30.41 | rysiek | as if the CPU was too slow |
| 13:31.06 | mmaestri | anyone can give me a clue about opkg proxy behavior? |
| 13:31.14 | rysiek | when I pause it, wait a few seconds, and play again, they - once more - play for a few s and silence |
| 13:31.58 | mmaestri | i have a proxy under windows, because i don't have another way to connect the fr at work |
| 13:32.08 | mmaestri | at the moment |
| 13:32.10 | quickdev | rysiek, run the top utility in the background to determine the bottleneck ;) |
| 13:32.50 | spdr | anyone know if the moko will work with a sim with only 3 contacts and not 4 ? |
| 13:32.54 | *** join/#openmoko morricone (n=foobar@dslb-084-057-159-088.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 13:34.06 | spdr | looks like it needs 4 :\ |
| 13:34.08 | rysiek | quickdev: guess what? openmoko-mediaplayer. |
| 13:34.24 | quickdev | rysiek, cpu or disc bound? |
| 13:34.36 | rysiek | cpu |
| 13:34.56 | rysiek | quickdev: after pausing, pulseaudio tops the list, with 12-13% |
| 13:37.51 | *** join/#openmoko Openfree (n=laNY@58.33.98.249) |
| 13:38.44 | rysiek | if I want to have all the latest'n'greatest, do I need to flash the device, or just opkg upgrade |
| 13:39.08 | Bill_ | usually upgrade should do.. |
| 13:39.47 | Ian00 | hmm, it seems americans have to buy freerunner through canada. |
| 13:40.07 | Flinx | yeah for now |
| 13:40.13 | *** join/#openmoko morricone (n=foobar@dslb-084-057-159-088.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 13:40.22 | rysiek | I don't get it: when playing mp3's, top shows CPU usage: mediaplayer circa 28-30%; pulseaudio circa 23-25% |
| 13:40.23 | Flinx | the OpenMoko store has been out of stock for a while |
| 13:40.27 | *** join/#openmoko matholio (n=matt@124-170-0-5.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 13:40.50 | rysiek | when playing ogg - it's 45-55% and ~40%, resp. |
| 13:40.54 | matholio | FSO, how do I tuen the various radios on/off ? |
| 13:41.02 | matholio | wifi as it's not being used. |
| 13:41.19 | rysiek | matholio: hold the power button for 5s |
| 13:41.26 | rysiek | matholio: you'll get the menu |
| 13:41.43 | matholio | in FSO ? |
| 13:41.48 | dbmoodb_ | pport not compiled in. |
| 13:41.49 | dbmoodb_ | Cannot continue. |
| 13:41.49 | dbmoodb_ | Error setting value: No D-BUS daemon running |
| 13:41.58 | rysiek | matholio: sorry, what's FSO? |
| 13:42.00 | dbmoodb_ | ah.. i can't change the desktop ? |
| 13:42.09 | rysiek | dbmoodb_: gimme a sec |
| 13:42.16 | dbmoodb_ | sure thing |
| 13:42.56 | *** join/#openmoko playya (n=playya@p579B8F48.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:42.58 | Snaarf | is there a decent imap client ported yet? |
| 13:43.23 | *** join/#openmoko xcasex__ (n=rrg@ua-83-227-156-234.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 13:43.32 | matholio | rysiek: FSO = another build. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework |
| 13:44.21 | *** join/#openmoko ScarEye (n=scareye@12.27.87.66) |
| 13:44.44 | dbmoodb_ | aah rysiek it works but only on the phone |
| 13:44.47 | rysiek | dbmoodb_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2#Adjust_UI_components_at_runtime - look at the bottom of the page |
| 13:45.07 | rysiek | matholio: ah... in that case, no idea |
| 13:45.49 | matholio | would `ifdown eth0` actually power off wifi ? |
| 13:46.07 | ecraven | it should |
| 13:46.09 | Flinx | rysiek: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions -- Comparison list of all distros |
| 13:46.24 | ecraven | you can try echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/*wifi*/power_on (or similar) ;) |
| 13:46.36 | *** join/#openmoko retracile (n=eli@76-204-213-211.lightspeed.allntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 13:47.26 | *** join/#openmoko mluser-work (n=mluser-w@208.178.12.226) |
| 13:47.52 | Zorkman | spdr: i have a sim with 3 contacts and it works |
| 13:47.53 | rysiek | Flinx: thanks! |
| 13:48.35 | Flinx | rysiek: no worries. |
| 13:51.01 | Ian00 | ok, i just shelled out the $440. is the debug board useful for a normal developer? |
| 13:51.25 | *** join/#openmoko zAMz (n=chatzill@mue-88-130-2-150.dsl.tropolys.de) |
| 13:53.30 | *** join/#openmoko MrShlee (n=MrShlee@219-90-185-46.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 13:53.31 | Flinx | I heard that it was more for hardware people. |
| 13:53.52 | Flinx | Although it also seems as a way to unbrick your phone |
| 13:55.01 | bumbl | Ian00: depends |
| 13:55.18 | bumbl | you can flash whatever you want and will be able to restore it |
| 13:55.20 | *** join/#openmoko alex-weej (n=alex@cpc1-darl2-0-0-cust537.midd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 13:55.26 | dns53 | if you are likely to brick the hardware the debug board may be useful |
| 13:56.42 | dns53 | remember there is a nor and a nand version of uboot so you are not screwed if flashing that fails |
| 13:56.45 | kd8ikt | yeah cause i'm not far away from screwing up my bootenv |
| 13:57.36 | ieatlint | well, if you managed to actually brick your phone, i'm sure you could find someone trustworthy who has a debug board, that you could simply post the phone to them with return postage |
| 13:58.10 | ieatlint | odds of bricking your FR are small... |
| 13:58.24 | ieatlint | and if you're just an application developer, the debug board will be mostly useless |
| 13:59.04 | ieatlint | the debug board can give you a serial console on the phone, and a jtag interface for (very) low level debugging |
| 13:59.09 | Ian00 | i read that its the uboot image you need the debug board for? is that like the equivalent of grub? it doesn't seem like i would need to mess with that as long as I can mess with the kernel. Is there something i'm missing? is there some other use to the debug board, like for working on kernel modules or something? |
| 13:59.28 | Ian00 | ahh, answer my question as i ask it iatlint :) |
| 13:59.30 | SpeedEvil | Ian00: yes, in theory |
| 13:59.42 | ieatlint | uboot does a little bit more than grub though |
| 13:59.47 | SpeedEvil | Ian00: it gives you an avenue to debug when the system is completely wedged - JTAG |
| 13:59.52 | ieatlint | there are updates to it that affect more than just loading the kernel |
| 13:59.55 | baird | Another reason I got a debug board was the linux-supported JTAG, where $100 is reasonable for something better than a barebones wiggler.. |
| 14:00.06 | SpeedEvil | Ian00: but that's not used by - for example |
| 14:00.09 | spdr | Zorkman, thanks |
| 14:00.13 | dns53 | there are 2 uboots avalable |
| 14:00.28 | spdr | no need to tape it like i saw on some pic yesterday ? |
| 14:00.30 | SpeedEvil | Ian00: PC kernel driver writers |
| 14:00.45 | kd8ikt | hey lint did you write py-level? |
| 14:00.58 | ieatlint | wtf is py-level? |
| 14:01.02 | kd8ikt | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=3 |
| 14:01.11 | kd8ikt | i wanna find whoever did that |
| 14:01.41 | *** join/#openmoko mmaestri (i=a8e2286f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-39b18e905c3d1c1e) |
| 14:01.41 | Ian00 | thank you everhone. Is there anything else I should also look at getting other than a microsd card? |
| 14:02.03 | ieatlint | ah, nice... although i wouldn't trust it :P |
| 14:02.18 | ieatlint | every surface i put my neo on never reports 0 on the x axis, and rarely 0 on the y |
| 14:02.56 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: it's not specified to |
| 14:02.59 | ieatlint | good enough for the approx use it is designed for, not for exact measurements :P |
| 14:03.00 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: there is an offset |
| 14:03.13 | ieatlint | they offset x? |
| 14:03.24 | kd8ikt | labyrinth game |
| 14:03.35 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: the output of the ADC is an 8 bit value - covering from +-2G |
| 14:03.37 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 14:03.55 | SpeedEvil | 0x80 won't be 0G - there is a specified max offset |
| 14:03.55 | ecraven | for me the minimal value is 18 (-18) |
| 14:04.34 | ieatlint | ADC? |
| 14:04.38 | *** join/#openmoko TeringTu1y (n=maarten@195-241-125-243.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 14:04.48 | Snaarf | is there a way to find the battery power levels on the command line? |
| 14:05.09 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: analogue to digital converter |
| 14:05.30 | kd8ikt | apm Snaarf |
| 14:05.44 | dingman | anyone know where to find the propper feed configs for /etc/opkg? |
| 14:05.46 | ieatlint | the value has to be more than 8 bits though, seeing as its range exceeds that of an 8bit integer |
| 14:05.47 | Snaarf | sweet, thanks kd8ikt |
| 14:06.35 | ecraven | Snaarf: cat /proc/apm ? |
| 14:07.04 | ieatlint | cat /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/capacity |
| 14:07.09 | Zorkman | spdr: nothing special needed |
| 14:07.44 | ieatlint | anyway, i have to catch a shuttle in an hour to get to linuxworld, so i should probably start to get ready |
| 14:08.03 | kd8ikt | i read the data sheet on the battery one evening its one damn magic battery |
| 14:08.13 | ecraven | why? |
| 14:08.16 | Snaarf | thanks guys |
| 14:08.59 | *** join/#openmoko aarapov (n=aarapov@rb1k99.net.upc.cz) |
| 14:09.08 | kd8ikt | wwant to find me a replacement with a higher milliamphour rating |
| 14:09.31 | *** join/#openmoko lunartear (n=cayres@ip68-103-160-30.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 14:09.57 | ecraven | i mean, why is it a magic battery? |
| 14:10.10 | kd8ikt | or i'd be happy if resume from suspend would'nt give me a white screen of FAIL |
| 14:10.32 | Snaarf | ugh.. a WOSF |
| 14:10.54 | kd8ikt | http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/hardware/GTA02/CT-GTA02.pdf |
| 14:13.33 | rysiek | gtg |
| 14:13.33 | Tanuva | huh... I just flashed fso milestone 2 and zhone fails to "import site" on startup. Is there a fix for this? |
| 14:13.34 | rysiek | cu all |
| 14:13.47 | ecraven | oh, there's a milestone 2? |
| 14:14.07 | Tanuva | yes |
| 14:14.51 | kd8ikt | hey ieatlint /me tripleboots now |
| 14:15.19 | *** join/#openmoko neldoreth (n=ascot@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 14:17.21 | ecraven | is the rootfs for gta02 misnamed? |
| 14:17.30 | ecraven | ...rootfs.jffs2.summary |
| 14:17.47 | Zorkman | nope ecreaven |
| 14:17.55 | ecraven | 47M summary file? |
| 14:18.15 | kd8ikt | http://www.inf.u-szeged.hu/jffs2/mount.php |
| 14:18.18 | Zorkman | it was always around that amount of MB (that i can remember..) |
| 14:18.52 | Flinx | lol a White Screen of FAIL ? |
| 14:19.14 | *** join/#openmoko noaXess (n=noaXess@cust.static.217-11-45-147.cybernet.ch) |
| 14:19.26 | Flinx | I wish I were at linuxworld :( |
| 14:20.21 | valos | ecraven: If you download an FSO image, the file system will be in a jffs2 'summary' file. A file with the extension ".jffs2.summary" can be flashed to the FreeRunner just like an ordinary jffs2 file. |
| 14:20.31 | valos | ecraven: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Download_the_image_files_that_you_will_need |
| 14:20.56 | ecraven | what's the difference between a summary file and a normal jffs2? |
| 14:21.13 | Flinx | has anyone tried using a bluetooth keyboard with thier FR? |
| 14:21.35 | DPThough1 | off topic. any git wizards here? I have two brances, mine and one from anyone else. I need to merge all changes from the other branch into mine. is git merge what i want? |
| 14:22.12 | bumbl | ecraven: summary is mor efficient |
| 14:22.17 | bumbl | s/mor/more |
| 14:22.29 | Tanuva | there was some package to enable fsom2 opkg upgrade. where is that gone? ^^ |
| 14:22.31 | *** join/#openmoko jtickle (n=jtickle@ip-152010152154.ess.appstate.edu) |
| 14:22.33 | kd8ikt | what? no mkfs.jffs2? |
| 14:22.34 | darkjames | DPThough1, git-pull ? |
| 14:22.59 | kd8ikt | considers changing his sdcard to jffs |
| 14:23.27 | mmaestri | Tanuva: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/updates/distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0_om-gta02.ipk |
| 14:23.30 | DPThough1 | darkjames: oh, i always thought that is only to fetch a repository. Thanks |
| 14:24.48 | darkjames | DPThough1, git-fetch. git-pull runs git-fetch and git-merge :) |
| 14:25.09 | *** join/#openmoko peepsalot (n=peeps@cpe-67-9-161-48.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 14:25.23 | DPThough1 | darkjames: so git merge is the trick? (i have both brances locally already) |
| 14:25.36 | Tanuva | mmaestri: thanks :) |
| 14:25.41 | noaXess | what are the syncing features of openmoko? what app to use on the desktop side? |
| 14:26.24 | darkjames | DPThough1, should do, /me always runs git-pull, sorry. |
| 14:26.29 | torindel | noaXess: syncing features are up to you as you can have diffrent apps on both of sides |
| 14:27.07 | torindel | noaXess: on 2007.2 you have all data in evolution data server format for example |
| 14:27.18 | noaXess | hm.. then i can add my own sync software to syncing eg. with korganizer |
| 14:27.50 | DPThough1 | darkjames: git merge seems to work. thanks again. |
| 14:28.30 | noaXess | torindel: on the bare freerunner is ther a syncsoft available? |
| 14:29.00 | SpeedEvil | noaXess: rsync |
| 14:29.07 | DPThough1 | noaXess: not so easy. embedded eds uses dbus, shcih is not network transparent. But yit should be possible to build sync tools based on eds. like fetching vcal files. Or best syncml |
| 14:29.20 | SpeedEvil | noaXess: though you may not consider that actually syncing in the normal sense. |
| 14:29.23 | noaXess | yes |
| 14:29.25 | DPThough1 | s/shcih/which/ |
| 14:30.03 | *** join/#openmoko ritz (n=ritesh@nat/redhat-in/x-cf4d910f0d50ab1a) |
| 14:30.49 | noaXess | other question.. can i open a vcal file? or a ics file on openmoko? |
| 14:30.56 | Flinx | Cool! I can get Pidgin on my FR?! |
| 14:31.21 | noaXess | or a vcf? |
| 14:32.07 | *** join/#openmoko everslick (n=clemens@91-113-60-201.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 14:32.16 | Tanuva | Flinx: theoretically, yes |
| 14:32.32 | Flinx | neat |
| 14:32.44 | Tanuva | Flinx: you need to compile it and dependencies for arm4t and it wont be really usable on the small screen, but its possible |
| 14:32.51 | Flinx | I'm being entertained by the screenshots |
| 14:33.04 | Flinx | probably enough for me ;) |
| 14:33.09 | *** join/#openmoko daMaestro (n=jon@fedora/damaestro) |
| 14:33.14 | hiciu | pidgin is usable ;) |
| 14:33.15 | hiciu | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Available_Packages |
| 14:33.26 | hiciu | i will post screenshot.. |
| 14:33.49 | Tanuva | oh! |
| 14:33.54 | Tanuva | interesting |
| 14:34.02 | noaXess | yes :) |
| 14:34.08 | *** join/#openmoko yakischloba (n=jake@c-24-17-53-6.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 14:34.11 | Flinx | pidgin isn't unusable |
| 14:34.12 | Zorkman | i have pidgin running |
| 14:34.32 | noaXess | does anybody know why in the neo freerunner is no digicam integrated? |
| 14:34.42 | Zorkman | but i can't add msn |
| 14:34.44 | SpeedEvil | because there isn't. |
| 14:34.45 | *** join/#openmoko yakischloba (n=jake@c-24-17-53-6.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 14:34.55 | Flinx | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0f85403f8465be62a943c8336095801c.png |
| 14:35.07 | *** join/#openmoko geaaru (n=geaaru@host143-30-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 14:35.21 | *** join/#openmoko tdobson (n=phorm@dobsad.plus.com) |
| 14:35.21 | ecraven | noaXess: that is one of the reasons why i like it, no camera ;) |
| 14:35.30 | noaXess | ecraven: :) |
| 14:35.32 | Flinx | maybe because a camera would only enhance the complexity? |
| 14:35.46 | *** join/#openmoko hiciu-fr (n=root@host-91-200-27-218.leon.com.pl) |
| 14:35.47 | ecraven | now, let's see how milestone 2 looks ;) |
| 14:35.50 | Zorkman | ab with pidgin: if i want to add a googletalk account and i press the password box, the keyboard dissapears |
| 14:36.01 | noaXess | okay.. but it will be nice.. then.. we never need any other device :) |
| 14:36.02 | Flinx | and really... how many people use thier camera? Personally Id rather just carry around my digital |
| 14:36.27 | Zorkman | wouldn't mind a camera, but only if it was a +/- decent one |
| 14:36.40 | hiciu-fr | smile! :P |
| 14:37.02 | Tanuva | Flinx: thats it |
| 14:37.35 | Tanuva | especially because my cam is far better than any phone-integrated one... :D |
| 14:37.47 | hiciu | https://hiciu.rootnode.net/freerunner/2008-08-05-163403_480x640_scrot.png |
| 14:37.52 | hiciu | https://hiciu.rootnode.net/freerunner/2008-08-05-163512_480x640_scrot.png |
| 14:38.29 | *** join/#openmoko Zorkma1 (n=root@dD576923C.access.telenet.be) |
| 14:38.49 | *** join/#openmoko Unclejack (n=Unclejac@195.176.215.38) |
| 14:38.53 | Flinx | well yeah |
| 14:38.59 | Unclejack | hi all |
| 14:39.10 | Flinx | you can't integrate an SLR into a Phone ;) |
| 14:39.17 | Zorkma1 | l |
| 14:39.41 | Tanuva | Flinx: but you could integrate a phone into a SLR *g* |
| 14:39.52 | Zorkma1 | he thi7 3rom my fr |
| 14:40.06 | Zorkman | as you can see, the keyboard is too large on pidgin in 2007.2 :) |
| 14:40.08 | ecraven | hm.. are there problems with usb networking and milestone 2 of FSO? |
| 14:40.13 | Zorkman | can't see what i type :) |
| 14:40.35 | Unclejack | anybody has an idea about where grabbing console utilities for the fso image ? |
| 14:40.35 | ecraven | unable to enumerate :( |
| 14:40.36 | Tanuva | ecraven: I got the impression that python is broken |
| 14:40.50 | ecraven | i'll stay with debian ;) |
| 14:40.53 | Tanuva | zhone as well as my own app won't start |
| 14:41.03 | ecraven | zhone starts, but things are *slow* |
| 14:41.20 | Tanuva | I'll just return to alphaone's dailies |
| 14:41.28 | *** join/#openmoko nomeata (i=nobody@nomeata.de) |
| 14:41.36 | bumbl | mind: you have to reboot fso after the first boot |
| 14:41.54 | Tanuva | done that by force, it just crashed |
| 14:42.03 | ecraven | bumbl: have you found any protection foil for the display? |
| 14:42.37 | dbmoodb_ | hi is borg here ? |
| 14:42.39 | Zorkma1 | pidgin works nice, any1 managed msn on it? |
| 14:42.43 | *** join/#openmoko Andre613 (n=chatzill@static-209-87-232-169.storm.ca) |
| 14:42.45 | Flinx | Tanuva: that would be a huge phone :P |
| 14:42.49 | Andre613 | join openmoko-cdev |
| 14:42.55 | Andre613 | oops |
| 14:43.03 | dbmoodb_ | Zorkma1: yep just install the msn plugin |
| 14:43.04 | bumbl | ecraven: actually I can't decide which to buy |
| 14:43.12 | Tanuva | Flinx: but it could take awesome photos :D |
| 14:43.20 | Flinx | yeah it would... |
| 14:43.25 | hiciu | Zorkman: libpurple-protocol-msn - 2.2.1-r0 - Libpurple protocol plugin for msn |
| 14:43.29 | ecraven | bumbl: hehe ;) |
| 14:43.37 | dbmoodb_ | Zorkma1: put the accounts in from another comp... |
| 14:43.37 | ecraven | hm.. have to reboot, back in a minute |
| 14:43.40 | Zorkman | thx |
| 14:43.47 | Flinx | OOO Better idea... lets integrate a Phone into a CAMERA! |
| 14:44.14 | dbmoodb_ | Zorkma1: there isn't any otr plugin as of yet |
| 14:44.15 | Tanuva | with gps chip - so you could automatically geotag your photos :D |
| 14:44.38 | Flinx | yeap |
| 14:45.50 | *** part/#openmoko Zorkma1 (n=root@dD576923C.access.telenet.be) |
| 14:47.12 | *** join/#openmoko ott (n=ott@p54BD7833.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:47.41 | baird | I'd like to see a good open standard for geotagging, though... |
| 14:48.54 | Zorkman | tangogps can do geotagging i think |
| 14:49.14 | *** join/#openmoko MrShlee (n=MrShlee@219-90-185-46.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 14:50.45 | dbmoodb_ | Zorkman: tango gps needs a better interface |
| 14:52.08 | ott | hello. in my newly flashed om2008.8, i need a working url in /etc/opkg/fic-gta02-feed.conf. i couldn't find a directory on buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 14:54.32 | spdr | hey, just got my freerunner, now i tried truning it on before charging, and then i connected it to the charger and the screen was full of blusish/perpul lines and dotts (looked really buggy), anyone seen this happen ? |
| 14:55.47 | *** part/#openmoko hiciu-fr (n=root@host-91-200-27-218.leon.com.pl) |
| 14:56.10 | lindi- | spdr: don't do it :) |
| 14:57.04 | *** join/#openmoko aarapov (n=aarapov@rb1k99.net.upc.cz) |
| 14:57.08 | spdr | yeah i took the battery out and im now charging while its off |
| 14:57.25 | *** join/#openmoko MPS_ (n=mathias@h114-103-116-82.dsl.netz-quadrat.de) |
| 14:57.27 | spdr | but the question is, is it messed up lindi- ? :) |
| 14:58.16 | lindi- | spdr: unpredictable things probably can happen if it runs without power? |
| 14:59.06 | *** join/#openmoko cnwdup (n=harlekin@hnvr-4dbd7b31.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 14:59.59 | dbmoodb_ | lindi-: there is some stupid bug regarding not being able to charge on the stock battery if it drains completly (too much) for some reason.. in which case you need another standard battery |
| 15:00.06 | dbmoodb_ | (nokia something) |
| 15:00.23 | bumbl | are there any lifestreams from the linuxworld expo? |
| 15:00.30 | Snaarf | My nokia uses the same battery as the neo |
| 15:00.54 | Tanuva | dbmoodb_: lindi-: there's some trick to jumpstart the battery, ask michael about it, IIRC he explained that somewhere |
| 15:01.07 | *** join/#openmoko swc|666 (n=swc|666@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 15:01.07 | baird | Snaarf: ...that's not entirely unintentional. :) |
| 15:01.20 | lindi- | dbmoodb_: yep |
| 15:01.29 | Snaarf | baird: It's a good move |
| 15:01.30 | *** join/#openmoko aarapov_ (n=aarapov@rb1k99.net.upc.cz) |
| 15:01.39 | *** join/#openmoko ecraven (n=nex@140.78.42.107) |
| 15:01.52 | baird | Snaarf: what model Nokia battery do you have? |
| 15:02.30 | *** join/#openmoko DieMumiee (n=DieMumie@W3e03.w.pppool.de) |
| 15:02.33 | Snaarf | Not sure the model of battery, don't have it with me in the office. The phone is a Nokia 5100 |
| 15:03.42 | baird | The Wiki mentions just the BL5C, although it would be good to know if other similar model batteries are compatible. |
| 15:04.13 | MrTuttle | i've tested the bl5c |
| 15:04.16 | Snaarf | I'll take a look when I get home, add it to the wiki if it's different |
| 15:04.20 | MrTuttle | the bl6c is also said to work |
| 15:04.37 | MrTuttle | used in the nokia E60 and the LD-3W GPS |
| 15:04.38 | Quai | im using a BL-5B as a backup battery to boot it if the primary battery dies |
| 15:04.46 | *** join/#openmoko FuL|OUT (n=fn@a81-84-101-131.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 15:05.19 | spdr | wtf |
| 15:05.32 | spdr | is the screen supposed to look buggy when you turn it on? |
| 15:05.46 | spdr | ie colorful |
| 15:05.48 | spdr | looks dead :( |
| 15:06.37 | *** join/#openmoko thewtex (n=matt@24-240-35-230.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) |
| 15:07.38 | wyze | baird - i've used both a BL4 and 5C |
| 15:07.54 | wyze | they just do not report the power levels tho |
| 15:10.16 | Tanuva | spdr: for a short time thats possible |
| 15:11.43 | spdr | Tanuva, how short? |
| 15:11.54 | spdr | i think its kinda dead :\ |
| 15:12.12 | dbmoodb_ | so is it alright if i add those batteries to the wiki ? |
| 15:12.23 | baird | Would using a Nokia phone to recharge a catatonic Neo battery work? (..probably not..) |
| 15:12.42 | dbmoodb_ | so we have the bl-5b, bl4 5c bl5c |
| 15:12.52 | Tanuva | spdr: <1sec |
| 15:13.09 | dbmoodb_ | will test mine now |
| 15:13.23 | spdr | so i guess i recived fucked merchandise |
| 15:13.27 | spdr | :( |
| 15:13.59 | baird | Unfortunately, all the local electronic stores are offering replacement batteries with capacities of <1000mAh.. |
| 15:14.16 | Tanuva | spdr: if its only the screen, you may wait some minutes to let it boot and try ssh'ing then |
| 15:14.24 | dbmoodb_ | spdr: ? |
| 15:14.27 | Tanuva | (just to test if its only the screen what's broken) |
| 15:14.37 | Flinx | spdr: Thats not good :( |
| 15:14.59 | DPThough1 | can i buy the right replacement battery anywhere? Mine is probably pretty much dead because it was tourmented wth dozends of deep drains |
| 15:15.05 | spdr | i will do that now |
| 15:15.12 | ecraven | how can i shutdown FSO milestone 2? |
| 15:15.19 | *** join/#openmoko mmaestri (i=a8e22871@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-07ee24926aad494d) |
| 15:15.25 | *** join/#openmoko xirt (n=trix@c-76-115-43-169.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 15:15.35 | Tanuva | ecraven: hold the power button |
| 15:15.42 | ecraven | that only suspends |
| 15:15.43 | Tanuva | ecraven: theres no "clean" shutdown yet |
| 15:15.48 | Tanuva | hold, not press once |
| 15:15.50 | dbmoodb_ | halt ? |
| 15:16.33 | mmaestri | ecraven: just type halt on terminal |
| 15:16.48 | *** join/#openmoko lunartear (n=cayres@ip68-103-160-30.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 15:16.51 | mmaestri | or make a .desktop with that |
| 15:17.09 | *** join/#openmoko apol (n=apol@192.Red-79-151-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:17.11 | spdr | Even when i remove the bat and just plug it into the usb it comes up like that :S |
| 15:17.12 | Zorkman | problem installing the latest build of navit: http://pastebin.com/mf0b1522 |
| 15:17.52 | ecraven | md5 problems |
| 15:18.45 | Zorkman | yeah, but how do i solve them? |
| 15:19.05 | ecraven | unpack the ipkg, change the md5 sum in the meta files, repackage ;) |
| 15:19.07 | ecraven | i guess |
| 15:19.53 | *** join/#openmoko igor321 (n=igor@212.15.177.53) |
| 15:19.55 | *** join/#openmoko lunartear (n=cayres@ip68-103-160-30.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 15:20.17 | ecraven | now where did the page go that explained how to change the uboot.env to automatically boot from SD ;( |
| 15:20.34 | donomo | is there a git repo address where i can pull the FSO software? |
| 15:21.16 | mmaestri | ecraven: have you checked past revisions of the wiki page? |
| 15:21.34 | Zorkman | ecraven: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
| 15:21.54 | Zorkman | there is something about "Autoboot from SDHC " |
| 15:22.09 | Chox | moo! |
| 15:22.24 | Flinx | Hi Choz |
| 15:22.28 | Flinx | ,... Chox. |
| 15:22.31 | ecraven | Zorkman: thanks! |
| 15:22.39 | ecraven | the wiki search seems b0rked.. :( |
| 15:23.04 | Zorkman | wiki search never worked... i use xxxxxx site:openmoko.org in google |
| 15:23.25 | Flinx | strange.. |
| 15:23.27 | *** join/#openmoko Agrajag- (n=filip@c211-30-185-177.artrmn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 15:23.39 | Flinx | someone should fix the Wiki Search |
| 15:23.53 | quickdev | Zorkman, involved in the development of tangogps? |
| 15:24.27 | Zorkman | nope, i'm still a long way from develloping something |
| 15:24.53 | *** join/#openmoko El_Senator (n=El_Senat@0x4dd4371c.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 15:25.10 | Marcel_M | Zorkman: if you use navit 0.1.0 from rabenfrost/celtune (its comipled with additional libgarmin support) you need to change the lib-paths in /usr/share/navit/navit.xml (change lib*.so to lib*.so.0 und libgraphics_null.so to libgraphics_null.so.0) |
| 15:25.51 | Zorkman | thanks!! |
| 15:25.56 | Marcel_M | np |
| 15:26.00 | Zorkman | I would never boot when i tried |
| 15:26.41 | Marcel_M | it cant find the plugins so no way to boot |
| 15:27.23 | ecraven | hm.. *something* on the FR keeps destroying my sd card's partition table |
| 15:27.43 | cjb | ecraven: suspend/resume. |
| 15:27.44 | Zorkman | those damn opensource gremlings |
| 15:27.46 | Zorkman | *gremlins |
| 15:27.57 | ecraven | cjb: isn't that a rather *big* problem? |
| 15:28.01 | cjb | ecraven: yup. |
| 15:28.11 | cjb | weirdly, we had exactly the same problem over at OLPC |
| 15:28.19 | ecraven | cjb: have you had any luck with Xglamo so far? |
| 15:28.26 | lindi- | cjb: interesting, any idea how does it happen? |
| 15:28.28 | cjb | a big msleep(400); in the resume path of the SD controller "fixed" it for us |
| 15:28.31 | ecraven | good thing i just saved my debian rootfs 10 minutes ago ;) |
| 15:28.36 | spdr | gr8, i wait a fucking month and get a moko that dosnt work. |
| 15:28.39 | spdr | tons of fun |
| 15:28.44 | ecraven | "not work"? |
| 15:29.11 | cjb | ecraven: I had the opposite of luck :) The author recommended a fix that didn't help. I'll poke at it further when I get a chance. |
| 15:29.18 | spdr | yeah |
| 15:29.33 | ecraven | i had a glancing look, but as i have never done any X server programming, i'm a bit overwhelmed :( |
| 15:29.33 | dbmoodb_ | ah guys the mokomake script should i set it to be gta02 or because i can make setupfreerunner is that no important |
| 15:29.37 | dbmoodb_ | ? |
| 15:29.39 | *** join/#openmoko xt (i=xt@hveem.no) |
| 15:29.50 | *** part/#openmoko bri4nwc (n=brian@h-67-102-65-245.snfccasy.covad.net) |
| 15:30.27 | cjb | ecraven: yeah, it doesn't seem to be anything obvious |
| 15:30.51 | cjb | ecraven: the glamo driver's already doing what the fbdev does to rotate input, and the fbdev driver works |
| 15:30.56 | ecraven | it really seems as though the touch screen input wasn't rotated correctly |
| 15:31.12 | ecraven | or rather, as though the display was still higher than wide |
| 15:31.20 | cjb | right. but it's trying. and it seems weird that the vertical coordinate was okay. |
| 15:31.29 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: on boot if (other_Os_Than_Stock_On_Sd_card ==1) { cout << "OWNED ahahahah" << endl;} |
| 15:31.33 | Snaarf | Has anyone done any SDL stuff on the FR? |
| 15:31.45 | ecraven | Snaarf: i did a simple game with chicken scheme and sdl |
| 15:32.07 | bumbl | ecraven: have you already bought a screen protector? |
| 15:32.18 | ecraven | bumbl: no, i didn't look for one so far, i'm counting on you ;-P |
| 15:32.29 | ecraven | at the moment i keep my neo in the bag it came with |
| 15:32.47 | Tanuva | alphaone: python-pygtk is missing some packages from your repository. Is it safe to use the om buildhost as package source, too? |
| 15:32.50 | bumbl | ^^ |
| 15:33.34 | ecraven | is there already a bug report about the flash-wiping bug? |
| 15:33.43 | *** join/#openmoko flat (n=bkaplan@c-98-210-154-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 15:34.08 | xt | opkg update fails - what to do |
| 15:34.24 | *** join/#openmoko Monex (n=Monex@dslb-084-059-194-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 15:34.30 | Zorkman | Marcel_M: I did what you said and it still wont launch, it looks like it launches for a few ms and then quits, looks like a sort of refresh in the applications menu... |
| 15:34.39 | alphaone | Tanuva: probably, if you only get these packages from there |
| 15:34.59 | alphaone | Otherwise there might be version confilicts, clashes, ... |
| 15:34.59 | *** join/#openmoko jserv-- (n=jserv@125-233-2-208.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 15:35.05 | Marcel_M | Zorkman: what does it say if you start it from console? |
| 15:35.16 | bumbl | at first i wanted to buy an invisible shield from zagg.com but hardly anyone gets their order and they only take credit cards and paypal |
| 15:35.35 | Marcel_M | maybe you need http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/libgarmin-bin_svnrev-281-r0_armv4t.ipk and http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/libgarmin_svnrev-281-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 15:35.42 | Tanuva | alphaone: to be precise: it's gtk+, libcairo2 and libglib-2.0-0 |
| 15:35.53 | mmaestri | anyone knows how to make wget work with a proxy? |
| 15:36.12 | alphaone | gtk+ should be on the fso image |
| 15:36.37 | alphaone | I believe that should be all on the images |
| 15:36.38 | alphaone | wait |
| 15:36.55 | *** join/#openmoko Deubeuliou (n=david@AFontenayssB-151-1-63-149.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:36.56 | Zorkman | Marcel_M: http://pastebin.com/d156c07d4 |
| 15:37.16 | Tanuva | alphaone: opkg list | grep gtk+ only offers gtk+-fastscaling-* |
| 15:38.18 | *** join/#openmoko imcsk8 (n=ichavero@148.229.1.11) |
| 15:38.41 | dbmoodb_ | mmaestri: mmm interesting idea mmaestri try looking what tork does for putting wget / those things into tor (socks proxy -> tor network) |
| 15:38.48 | Marcel_M | Zorkman: Error parsing '/usr/share/navit/navit.xml': Failed to open file '/usr/share/navit/maps/*.xml': No such file or directory at line 107, char 51 |
| 15:38.59 | Marcel_M | what map du you use |
| 15:39.11 | Zorkman | there is not yet a map on the phone |
| 15:39.21 | Zorkman | I do have a few garmin maps laying around, i could scp them to the device |
| 15:39.22 | alphaone | Tanuva: root@om-gta02:~# opkg list_installed libcairo2 |
| 15:39.22 | alphaone | libcairo2 - 1.4.10-r0 - |
| 15:40.22 | Tanuva | alphaone: python-pygtk wants >= 1.6.4 |
| 15:40.24 | mmaestri | f*cking windows. |
| 15:40.35 | alphaone | hrmm |
| 15:40.46 | alphaone | Tanuva: Well, you can try upgrading |
| 15:40.54 | Tanuva | alphaone: and I already installed it on some previous images of yours |
| 15:41.09 | alphaone | okay |
| 15:41.10 | ecraven | bumbl: looks interesting, but if they don't deliver.. ;( |
| 15:41.40 | Marcel_M | Zorkman: set at line 106 <mapset enabled="no"> (if it is not) |
| 15:42.04 | dbmoodb_ | yayay my nokia battery also works adding info |
| 15:42.21 | Tanuva | alphaone: upgrade does nothing with your most recent image |
| 15:42.23 | Zorkman | Marcµ |
| 15:42.30 | Zorkman | Marcel_M: it was already "no" |
| 15:42.35 | Zorkman | ah sorry |
| 15:42.39 | Zorkman | my mistake |
| 15:42.47 | kd8ikt | i have another battery from a nokia but the moko doenst read the charge |
| 15:43.48 | Zorkman | Marcel_M: stil lthe same error, i will try to restart x |
| 15:44.05 | aarapov_ | m0n3yadd1ct3d%) |
| 15:45.08 | Zorkman | Marcel_M: line 106 says "no" and i restarted X and still the saem problem |
| 15:46.50 | Zorkman | i'm scp'ing a *.img map now to the device, i will try what it gives when i enable the garmin maps |
| 15:47.00 | Marcel_M | Zorkman: set it to yes get a small map from here http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/navit-osm-maps/ and point line 107 to the map |
| 15:47.28 | Ainulindale | Anybody knows if it works with michelin maps ? |
| 16:14.29 | *** join/#openmoko Unclejack (n=Unclejac@195.176.215.38) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko Varox (n=Varox@p4FD44987.dip.t-dialin.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@226.84-48-126.nextgentel.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko dwb (n=david@pdpc/supporter/active/dwb) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko lrg (n=liam@lumison.wolfsonmicro.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko Sufflope (n=Sufflope@pha75-9-82-230-92-220.fbx.proxad.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko milo__ (n=nilsense@dslb-088-078-012-173.pools.arcor-ip.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko cga (n=cga@host-84-221-254-115.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko netx (n=rlange@osiris.darkempire.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko buz (n=buz@84-72-53-89.dclient.hispeed.ch) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko vallor (i=scott@pdpc/supporter/monthlygold/vallor) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko TobiX (i=tobias@zoidberg.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko chsh[] (n=chsh@d38-61-84.commercial1.cgocable.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko henkie_ (i=not@tdlnx.student.utwente.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko raynet (n=raynet@bb-81-175-213-113.dsl.phnet.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko ExodusC (n=Administ@74.230.184.169) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko Bill_ (n=Bill@bill.ee) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko cbrake (n=cbrake@oh-69-34-21-229.sta.embarqhsd.net) |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko pjz (n=pj@zachs.place.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko theocrite (n=theo@kim.theocrite.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko Basheri (i=basher@hehz.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko numist (n=numist@freenode/staff/scott) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko johnsu01 (n=user@fsf/staff/johnsu01) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#openmoko sparq (n=russell@ich.thy.om.orpho.us) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.47 | *** join/#openmoko chsh[] (n=chsh@d38-61-84.commercial1.cgocable.net) |
| 16:14.47 | *** join/#openmoko Agrajag- (n=filip@c211-30-185-177.artrmn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 16:14.47 | *** join/#openmoko DieMumiee (n=DieMumie@W3e03.w.pppool.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.47 | *** join/#openmoko Andre613 (n=chatzill@static-209-87-232-169.storm.ca) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.47 | *** join/#openmoko nomeata (i=nobody@nomeata.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.47 | *** join/#openmoko tdobson (n=phorm@dobsad.plus.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.47 | *** join/#openmoko noaXess (n=noaXess@cust.static.217-11-45-147.cybernet.ch) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.47 | *** join/#openmoko mluser-work (n=mluser-w@208.178.12.226) |
| 16:14.47 | *** join/#openmoko retracile (n=eli@76-204-213-211.lightspeed.allntx.sbcglobal.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.47 | *** join/#openmoko alvarezp (n=alvarezp@201.139.193.23) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.47 | *** join/#openmoko cjb (n=cjb@pullcord.laptop.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.47 | *** join/#openmoko DerHorst (n=Horst@e176109226.adsl.alicedsl.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.47 | *** join/#openmoko ondelette (n=jmontane@html-ref.fr) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.47 | *** join/#openmoko surf2me (n=surfer@unixboard/users/surf2me) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.47 | *** join/#openmoko Cap_J_L_Picard (n=ewanm89@unaffiliated/ewanm89) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.48 | *** join/#openmoko pazante (n=patrik@user113.77-105-224.netatonce.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.48 | *** join/#openmoko nezticle (n=nezticle@208.104.129.127) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.48 | *** join/#openmoko shadez (n=anon@75-25-122-133.lightspeed.snvaca.sbcglobal.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko Dominus (n=SuN@ip5652ade4.speed.planet.nl) |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko bkruse (n=bkruse@conference/asterisk/x-7e360e17277046c0) |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko T0o0T (n=T0o0T@c5147525d.cable.wanadoo.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko mickey_away (i=mickey@openmoko/coreteam/mickey) |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko lsobral (n=sobral@200.184.118.132) |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko cedric (n=cedric@enlightenment/developer/cedric) |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko TeNoVi (n=runegang@157.82-134-47.bkkb.no) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko alexxy (n=alexxy@79.173.81.171) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko andred (n=aduffeck@kde/duffeck) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko Demitar (n=demitar@h-2-44.A146.cust.bahnhof.se) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko Zorkman (n=Zorkman@dD576923C.access.telenet.be) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko tomjoad450 (n=tomjoad4@adsl-70-130-136-100.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko Any_Key_ (n=Any_Key@rt94.highlink.ru) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko krau (n=cktakaha@200.184.118.132) |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko mag- (i=mag@entropy.be) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko rwhitby (n=rwhitby@nslu2-linux/rwhitby) |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko SpeedEvil (n=ffjfj@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko mnagy (n=mnagy@nat/redhat/x-73d814b77b859e49) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko freelock (n=john@logan.freelock.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.49 | *** join/#openmoko Sonicadvance1 (n=Sonic@69.92.97.122) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.50 | *** join/#openmoko madwoota (i=mad@woota.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.50 | *** join/#openmoko chillywilly (n=danielb@rrcs-67-53-13-48.west.biz.rr.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.50 | *** join/#openmoko tonyg (n=tonyg@host226.lshift.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.51 | *** join/#openmoko vpv (i=vpv@fedora/vpv) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.51 | *** join/#openmoko BBishop (i=dexter@unaffiliated/blackbishop) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.51 | *** join/#openmoko bmidgley (n=bmidgley@c-24-2-92-215.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 16:14.51 | *** join/#openmoko massoud (n=massoud@85.233.200.18) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.56 | *** join/#openmoko flexd (n=kek@79.160.12.127) |
| 16:14.56 | *** join/#openmoko HardDisk_WP (n=Marco@velirat.de) |
| 16:14.56 | *** join/#openmoko gargoyle_grin (n=randerso@12-217-56-11.client.mchsi.com) |
| 16:14.56 | *** join/#openmoko Tauop (n=tauop@hoth.linagora.com) |
| 16:14.56 | *** join/#openmoko bumbl (n=bumbl@91-113-60-187.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 16:14.56 | *** join/#openmoko El_Senator (n=El_Senat@0x4dd4371c.adsl.cybercity.dk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.56 | *** join/#openmoko ott (n=ott@p54BD7833.dip.t-dialin.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.56 | *** join/#openmoko daMaestro (n=jon@fedora/damaestro) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.56 | *** join/#openmoko Flinx (i=4ca0afe6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7c933de9ba5bb16b) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.56 | *** join/#openmoko Ian00 (n=root@ip68-7-135-13.sd.sd.cox.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.56 | *** join/#openmoko CVirus (n=Satan@62.135.96.240) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.56 | *** join/#openmoko crib (n=chris@port-195-158-167-6.dynamic.qsc.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.56 | *** join/#openmoko sudharsh_ (n=sudharsh@59.96.14.137) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.56 | *** join/#openmoko methril|away (n=Methril@213.27.233.98) |
| 16:14.57 | *** join/#openmoko jOERG_rw (n=jr@118-166-66-221.dynamic.hinet.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.57 | *** join/#openmoko goodwill (n=goodwill@netblock-66-245-212-181.dslextreme.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.57 | *** join/#openmoko jdavis_ (i=jdavis@c-24-7-36-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.58 | *** join/#openmoko |Marco| (i=marco@cakebox.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.58 | *** join/#openmoko stevenSn (n=ssinger@bas10-montreal02-1177590500.dsl.bell.ca) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.58 | *** join/#openmoko Elenril (n=Elenril@abak-ujezd.abak.cz) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.58 | *** join/#openmoko zmedico (n=zmedico@gentoo/developer/zmedico) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.58 | *** join/#openmoko ArteK (i=root@artekw.cerbero.pl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.58 | *** join/#openmoko ahbritto_ (n=guest@adsl-69-104-91-160.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.58 | *** join/#openmoko lzy-- (n=lzy@fw.office.zuso.tw) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.58 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@keymaster.tproa.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.58 | *** join/#openmoko ahbritto (n=guest@adsl-69-104-91-160.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:14.58 | *** join/#openmoko ynezz (i=ynezz@ibawizard.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.12 | *** join/#openmoko richiefr1ch (n=dethwish@75.72.141.116) |
| 16:15.15 | *** join/#openmoko numist_ (n=numist@74.124.201.69) |
| 16:15.20 | *** join/#openmoko Monex (n=Monex@dslb-084-059-194-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 16:15.20 | *** join/#openmoko apol (n=apol@192.Red-79-151-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.20 | *** join/#openmoko FuL|OUT (n=fn@a81-84-101-131.cpe.netcabo.pt) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.20 | *** join/#openmoko feitingen (i=feitinge@cakebox.net) |
| 16:15.20 | *** join/#openmoko raster (n=raster@124-170-38-16.dyn.iinet.net.au) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.20 | *** join/#openmoko frojnd (i=wildone@static-ip-62-75-255-125.inaddr.intergenia.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.20 | *** join/#openmoko Chox (n=peter@adsl-75-42-168-26.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.21 | *** join/#openmoko behdad (n=behdad@CPE001217b19226-CM0012c9c84bc4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.21 | *** join/#openmoko Wonka (i=produzie@madwifi/support/wonka) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.21 | *** join/#openmoko darkjames (i=darkjame@truskawa.wafel.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.21 | *** join/#openmoko yang (i=yang@CAcert/Assurer/yang) |
| 16:15.21 | *** join/#openmoko elfolnx (n=elfo@gnusrv.epfl.ch) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.22 | *** join/#openmoko toggles_1 (n=tommy@tommywatson.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.22 | *** join/#openmoko BobOfDoom (n=ato@dingo.meshy.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.22 | *** join/#openmoko par (i=par@dipole.idlepattern.com) |
| 16:15.22 | *** join/#openmoko Vegar (n=vegar@unaffiliated/vegar) |
| 16:15.22 | *** join/#openmoko niclone (i=nicolas@blabla.yi.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.29 | *** join/#openmoko johncylee (n=john@124.219.5.210) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.29 | *** join/#openmoko t0h (n=tommi@80.223.12.1) |
| 16:15.29 | *** join/#openmoko mmaestri (i=a8e2286f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/session) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.29 | *** join/#openmoko zlfita (i=atilla@131.155.140.132) |
| 16:15.29 | *** join/#openmoko ExodusC1 (n=Administ@74.230.184.169) |
| 16:15.29 | *** join/#openmoko tsdogs_ (n=tsdogs@62.123.180.130) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.29 | *** join/#openmoko Sup3rkiddo (n=sudharsh@unaffiliated/sudharsh) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.29 | *** join/#openmoko batti (n=batti@p5B14C20A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.29 | *** join/#openmoko simon_ (n=simon@w208.wist.uni-linz.ac.at) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.29 | *** join/#openmoko peter-b (n=peter_b@p5497B7FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.29 | *** join/#openmoko Tanuva (n=tanuva@e177235124.adsl.alicedsl.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.29 | *** join/#openmoko zefanja (n=zefanja@drsd-4dbcbcbf.pool.einsundeins.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.29 | *** join/#openmoko LittleIdiot (n=lite@85.131.244.18) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.29 | *** join/#openmoko Prezu_ (i=patryk@dug.net.pl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko piti (n=weechat@sd-15216.dedibox.fr) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko ReachFH (n=ReachFH@sw169-210-231.adsl.seed.net.tw) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko Mek (n=marijn@93.157.1.37) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko railer (n=jimb@S0106001839c24abd.ed.shawcable.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko kennyz (n=kennyz@uralnet.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko fuzzyt (n=tim@70.59.221.233) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko jkyro (i=jasu@cs181095056.pp.htv.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko lpotter (n=ljp@CPE-124-191-144-181.vic.bigpond.net.au) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko khorben (n=dont@port-83-236-217-161.static.qsc.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko file (n=file@asterisk/developer-and-muffin-lover/file) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko ronny (n=ronny@ronny.uberhost.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko KaZeR (n=kazer@79.95.162.243) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko mw| (n=stian@084202241056.customer.alfanett.no) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko benJIman (n=benji@benjiweber.co.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko CaptObviousman (n=The_Capt@unaffiliated/captobviousman) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko torindel (n=torindel@mail.tau.com.pl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko blippe (n=none_of_@213.136.34.23) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko si-m1 (i=simeng@scout.protoss.no) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko bipolar (i=bflong@216-164-162-138.pa.subnet.cable.rcn.com) |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko Weiss (i=taw27@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko donomo (n=donp@donk.personaltelco.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko jj- (n=jj-@sta3-213-139-183-47.psoasnet.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko faern (n=faern@faern.olf.sgsnet.se) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko schonstal (n=schonsta@osuosl/staff/schonstal) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko CoreDump (n=mhentges@nslu2-linux/CoreDumpHome) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.31 | *** join/#openmoko Sargun_screen (n=sargun@atarack/staff/sargun) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.32 | *** join/#openmoko Kaloz (i=kaloz@openwrt/developer/Kaloz) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.32 | *** join/#openmoko echarp (n=manu@cev75-1-81-57-15-226.fbx.proxad.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.32 | *** join/#openmoko _charly_ (i=kroseneg@sunrise.schmidham.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.32 | *** join/#openmoko ozzloy (n=ozzloy@unaffiliated/ozzloy) |
| 16:15.33 | *** join/#openmoko kristian-m (i=kristian@217.13.205.113) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.33 | *** join/#openmoko LottoKim (n=kim@fanta.pjatt.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.33 | *** join/#openmoko XorA (n=nXorA@www.xora.org.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.33 | *** join/#openmoko robtaylor (n=robtaylo@floopily.codethink.co.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:15.35 | *** join/#openmoko _lumm (i=bernd@204.8.219.179) |
| 16:16.14 | *** join/#openmoko ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 16:16.14 | *** join/#openmoko valos (n=valos@APuteaux-153-1-27-36.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.14 | *** join/#openmoko milo_ (n=nilsense@dslb-088-078-012-173.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 16:16.14 | *** join/#openmoko DPThought (n=tilli@62.206.217.68) |
| 16:16.14 | *** join/#openmoko raynet (n=raynet@bb-81-175-213-113.dsl.phnet.fi) |
| 16:16.14 | *** join/#openmoko pjz (n=pj@zachs.place.org) |
| 16:16.14 | *** join/#openmoko tobias2 (n=tobias@217.162.64.116) |
| 16:16.14 | *** join/#openmoko wejp (n=wejp@moon.spacetechnology.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.14 | *** join/#openmoko cozub (i=[U2FsdGV@linux.fjfi.cvut.cz) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.14 | *** join/#openmoko Yashy (n=yashy@unaffiliated/yashy) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.14 | *** join/#openmoko tc (n=tc@acquiesce.sonicated.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.14 | *** join/#openmoko orospakr (n=orospakr@ip-64-15-152-71.static.privatedns.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.14 | *** join/#openmoko konqui[tm] (i=freenode@deinbnc.go4bnc.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.14 | *** join/#openmoko death-row (n=pierre@217.20.125.101) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.15 | *** join/#openmoko stephelton (n=stephen@tx1-6.intrameta.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.15 | *** join/#openmoko ultralisk_ (n=twistx@12.109.140.106) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.15 | *** join/#openmoko aloril (n=aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe25fa00-28.dhcp.inet.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.15 | *** join/#openmoko McKael (n=mikael@lilotux.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.15 | *** join/#openmoko AciD (n=gni@unaffiliated/acid) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko baird (n=cbaird@brushtail.apana.org.au) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko folken (i=folken@sonne.alt-f4.ch) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko Obri (i=daniel@sonne.alt-f4.ch) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko Renault (n=Renault@AToulon-151-1-132-227.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko jorutila (n=jorutila@vipunen.hut.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko nigel_c (n=nigel_c@mail.crca.org.au) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko p0seid0n_ (n=poseidon@Xc997.x.pppool.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko drath (i=vmaster@p5B07FBB5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko MrTuttle (n=hklein@i59F730DA.versanet.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko ruoso (n=ruoso@201.45.49.162) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-7ba67582652332cd) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko playya (n=playya@p579B8F48.dip.t-dialin.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko zAMz (n=chatzill@mue-88-130-2-150.dsl.tropolys.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko ritz (n=ritesh@nat/redhat-in/x-cf4d910f0d50ab1a) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko igor321 (n=igor@212.15.177.53) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko ejdav_gon (n=james@d75-157-13-250.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko buz (n=buz@84-72-53-89.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko imcsk8 (n=ichavero@148.229.1.11) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko jserv-- (n=jserv@125-233-2-208.dynamic.hinet.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko peepsalot (n=peeps@cpe-67-9-161-48.austin.res.rr.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko ScarEye (n=scareye@12.27.87.66) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko Ryback_ (n=ulisses@enlightenment/developer/ryback) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko spdr (n=spdr___@217.132.145.178) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko hiciu (n=hiciu@host-91-200-27-218.leon.com.pl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.17 | *** join/#openmoko balrog-k1n (n=balrog@clz132.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.17 | *** join/#openmoko ajbrun` (n=ajbrun@host86-151-145-26.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.17 | *** join/#openmoko brian_ (n=brian@216-15-45-10.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko dcordes_ (n=dcordes@unaffiliated/dcordes) |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko christooss (n=matic@89.142.234.209) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko mmontour (n=mmontour@S01060016b606e65a.vc.shawcable.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** mode/#openmoko [+o ChanServ] by irc.freenode.net |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko torpor_ (n=torpor@62.75.148.116) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko fish_ (n=fish@freigeist.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko borg_ (n=olaf@80.149.17.21) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko chrustinho (n=christop@cdann.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko dufflebunk (n=dufflebu@adsl-71-131-208-1.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko nab (n=nab@64-172-115-11.ded.pacbell.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko Pjj (n=pjj@fsf/member/pjj) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko phrozen77 (n=phrozen7@unaffiliated/phrozen77) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko wof_ (n=wof@91-67-142-62-dynip.superkabel.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko doc|home (n=doc@gentoo/contributor/doc-007) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko tuXXX (n=damien@85.230.101-84.rev.gaoland.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko nuclear_eclipse (n=jreese@208.43.130.26) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko merriam (n=merriam@wmerriam.gotadsl.co.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko xeros (i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko gambler (n=gambler@124-171-166-87.dyn.iinet.net.au) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko Marcel_M (n=Marcel_M@86.59.65.236) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko harzi (n=dani@84-73-143-231.dclient.hispeed.ch) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko xzcvczx_ (n=simon@ip-58-28-152-201.static-xdsl.xnet.co.nz) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko Yasumoto (n=Yasumoto@unaffiliated/yasumoto) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko kelvie (n=kelvie@S0106000f665a5c2a.vc.shawcable.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko lindi- (n=lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.18 | *** join/#openmoko zedstar (n=john@82-44-200-69.cable.ubr08.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.19 | *** join/#openmoko ljp (n=lpotter@218.185.108.156) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.19 | *** join/#openmoko Maxiosu (n=Maxious@ppp59-167-37-238.lns2.cbr1.internode.on.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.19 | *** join/#openmoko flaushy (n=flaushy@vs240161.vserver.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.19 | *** join/#openmoko Spida (n=timo@ns1.spinnennetz.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.19 | *** join/#openmoko Zanoi (i=zanoi@zanoi.net) |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko nochd (n=nick@216-139-208-242.aus.us.siteprotect.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko pat^ (i=pat@is.a.r0xor.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko Elleo (n=Elleo@unaffiliated/elleo) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko reinhold_away (i=reinhold@kde/kainhofe) |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko janneg (n=janne@tichy.grunau.be) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko teprrr (i=tpr@kde/developer/rytilahti) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko trickie (n=trickie@a80-101-189-212.adsl.xs4all.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko Azalyn (n=junon@bas7-montreal02-1177713683.dsl.bell.ca) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko tjikkun (n=tjikkun@h89220243036.dsl.mijnabel.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko djp (n=djp@76-10-153-9.dsl.teksavvy.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko ams (i=ams@gnu/inetutils/ams) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko ruxpin (n=pkunk@195.148.225.17) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko diogenes (i=diogenes@xob.kapsi.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko nemik (n=cyanact@c-67-173-76-34.hsd1.il.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko pantsd_ (i=holden@66.207.162.62) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko cesarb (n=cesarb@wikipedia/cesarb) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko macdonalder (n=macdonal@mango.fourthandvine.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko bagpuss_thecat (n=bagpuss_@lodge.glasgownet.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko meshuga (i=meshuga@c-67-183-112-152.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko koredn (n=kn@busimess.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.20 | *** join/#openmoko Karrde (i=sehaton@shodan.irccrew.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.22 | *** join/#openmoko Quai (i=kaysb@195.1.25.233) |
| 16:16.38 | *** join/#openmoko valos_ (n=ckix@82.124.189.36) |
| 16:16.42 | *** join/#openmoko th0 (n=tommi@dsl-kvlbrasgw2-fe0cdf00-1.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 16:16.43 | *** join/#openmoko Sufflope (n=Sufflope@pha75-9-82-230-92-220.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 16:16.43 | *** join/#openmoko C7 (n=C7@zux006-058-029.adsl.green.ch) |
| 16:16.43 | *** join/#openmoko TobiX (i=tobias@zoidberg.org) |
| 16:16.43 | *** join/#openmoko bobkare (i=bob@cakebox.net) |
| 16:16.43 | *** join/#openmoko Hobart (i=jon@jb.org) |
| 16:16.43 | *** join/#openmoko piksi (n=piksi@kosh.hut.fi) |
| 16:16.43 | *** join/#openmoko Basheri (i=basher@hehz.net) |
| 16:16.43 | *** join/#openmoko AVee (n=AVee@edsger.d6.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.43 | *** join/#openmoko grummel (n=christia@cl-13.dus-01.de.sixxs.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.43 | *** join/#openmoko exastra (n=go@75.148.80.90) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.43 | *** join/#openmoko jpieper (n=jpieper@207-180-187-171.c3-0.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.43 | *** join/#openmoko Chocky (n=peter@cpe-76-176-123-40.san.res.rr.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.43 | *** join/#openmoko numbah (n=pkoskela@kekkonen.cs.hut.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.43 | *** join/#openmoko effbiai (n=effbiai@idarlund.openvpn.hive.no) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.43 | *** join/#openmoko ace[MAYHEM] (n=ace@ns1.nologin.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.43 | *** join/#openmoko anders_ (i=andersg@xmms2/developer/anders) |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko xaid (n=xaid@S0106000c6ef3cb4e.ed.shawcable.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko emdete (n=nnnnnmdt@littlelun.emdete.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko tg (i=tg@x-net.hu) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko cdbot2 (n=cdbot2@hentges.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko Hopscotch (n=cd@touchdown.maintech.de) |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko robster (n=robster@light.bluelinux.co.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko ieatlint (i=ieatlint@tehinterweb.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko sibbe (i=jvtm@omni.byte.fi) |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko renato_ (n=renato@200.184.118.132) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko dingman (n=dingman@98.223.210.221) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko leinir (n=leinir@amarok/usability/leinir) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko Viiru- (n=viiru@ryoko.zyrain.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko spyre (i=vesap@xob.kapsi.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko no7 (n=dk@krlh-5d854715.pool.einsundeins.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko jamasi (n=jamasi@kristall.xtal.RWTH-Aachen.DE) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko NineX (i=ninex@gentoo.netzone.kom.pl) |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko rddDavid51 (n=roudoudo@gar31-1-82-224-8-235.fbx.proxad.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (n=amarsh04@CPE-121-220-202-18.sa.bigpond.net.au) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko Gyb (n=Gyb@f053154063.adsl.alicedsl.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko alphabeat (n=nick@60-241-37-3.static.tpgi.com.au) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko dwmw2_gone (i=ctrlprox@baythorne.infradead.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko xt (i=xt@hveem.no) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko nibbo_ (i=nibbo@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/session) |
| 16:16.46 | *** join/#openmoko Ainulindale (n=ainu@calaquendi.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.46 | *** join/#openmoko ezekiel-v3 (n=ezekiel@h-67-100-144-50.nycmny83.covad.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.46 | *** join/#openmoko paulproteus (n=paulprot@2002:cbb2:8293:0:0:0:0:1) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.46 | *** join/#openmoko kd8ikt (n=kd8ikt@we.trekbeyond.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.46 | *** join/#openmoko lysanderslair (n=jeff@CPE0014bf4ad3e5-CM001a66825f60.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko Robot101 (n=robot101@light.bluelinux.co.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko jzk2 (i=jzk@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-7a530f02a5d8097f) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko two3four (n=erik@81-233-151-113-no82.business.telia.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko icman (n=icman@123-240-173-183.cctv.dynamic.lsc.net.tw) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko pwerken (n=pwerken@83.119.198.36) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko t_s_o (n=tso@227.84-49-129.nextgentel.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko pyknite_aw (n=pyknite@83.68.218.53) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko pvborza (n=paul@groundhog.ijs.si) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko jancona (n=jancona@38.97.74.254) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko matholio (n=matt@124-170-0-5.dyn.iinet.net.au) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko lunartear (n=cayres@ip68-103-160-30.ks.ok.cox.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko trivex` (n=trivex@CPE00112f8785ab-CM000f9f50281e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko flexd (n=flexd_gr@79.160.12.127) |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko yakischloba (n=jake@rnkfoods.com) |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko Deubeuliou (n=david@AFontenayssB-151-1-63-149.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko flat (n=bkaplan@unaffiliated/flat) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko xirt (n=trix@c-76-115-43-169.hsd1.or.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko thewtex (n=matt@24-240-35-230.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko MPS_ (n=mathias@h114-103-116-82.dsl.netz-quadrat.de) |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko jtickle (n=jtickle@ip-152010152154.ess.appstate.edu) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko neldoreth (n=ascot@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko Dunedan (n=dunedan@phoenitydawn.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.48 | *** join/#openmoko dbmoodb_ (n=ooos@124-168-183-58.dyn.iinet.net.au) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.48 | *** join/#openmoko wolog (n=wolog@195.6.104.193) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.48 | *** join/#openmoko fobos (n=fobos@78.90.88.244) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.48 | *** join/#openmoko tholin (n=tholin@c-9764e455.04-302-6c6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.48 | *** join/#openmoko unknown_lamer (n=clinton@cpe-071-065-238-103.nc.res.rr.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.48 | *** join/#openmoko mwester (n=mwester@nslu2-linux/mwester) |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko tunys (n=tuna@unaffiliated/t00na) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko alphaone (n=alphaone@a064.apm.etc.tu-bs.de) |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko crimzor (n=shit@c83-250-201-115.bredband.comhem.se) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko aevin (i=eivindsy@unaffiliated/aevin) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko ixs (n=andreas@lacht.ueber.gattinnen-im-netz.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko HdR (n=hdr@87.118.118.174) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko TAsnn (n=tasn@89.1.60.247.dynamic.barak-online.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko gromez (n=gromez@unaffiliated/gromez) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko stefan_schmidt (n=sschmidt@sicherheitsschwankung.de) |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko Adam_G (n=adam@ec2-75-101-226-163.compute-1.amazonaws.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko k-s (n=gustavo@enlightenment/developer/k-s) |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko ayeuu (n=ayeuu@tss37-1-82-228-161-185.fbx.proxad.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko shoragan (n=shoragan@debian/developer/shoragan) |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko abraxa_ (n=abraxa@nv-76-0-206-49.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko Kensan-vacation (n=ken@gw.ptr-80-238-227-144.customer.ch.netstream.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko starox (n=fredo@sd-11162.dedibox.fr) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko oon (n=oon@pdpc/supporter/base/oon) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko FnuggleMaster (i=johnhand@fu/minion/noxies) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko felipe_ (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#openmoko zash (n=zash@zash.se) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.50 | *** join/#openmoko mBartGS (n=bart@88.191.65.220) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.50 | *** join/#openmoko nite613 (n=chris@i216-58-80-207.cybersurf.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.50 | *** join/#openmoko rep (n=rep@work.etcho.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.50 | *** join/#openmoko str4nd (i=str4nd@wikipedia/str4nd) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.50 | *** join/#openmoko LetoTo (n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko Kero (n=kero@i7074.upc-i.chello.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko ath (i=hankalah@myntti.helsinki.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko xkr47 (i=xkr47@a88-112-22-94.elisa-laajakaista.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko sparrow (n=sparrow@mortar.walled.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko Kerba (i=tigakatz@2001:6f8:138d:0:0:0:7:2) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko mockfrog (n=mockfrog@mockfrog.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko PriceChild (i=pricechi@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.pricechild) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko mjr (i=mjr@aulis.sange.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko bjartek (n=bjartka@kremt.pvv.ntnu.no) |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko nezza-_- (i=troth@unixforge.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko Sascha (n=sisawess@cssun.rrze.uni-erlangen.de) |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko b0ef (n=b0ef@062016141231.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko RP (i=1000@tim.rpsys.net) |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko rtp (n=rtp@sat78-7-88-166-121-96.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko jakob_ (i=jakob@pureenergy.cc) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko weez__ (n=weez@simulakrum.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko blinx (n=blinx@unixboard/users/blinx) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko miip (n=miip@n4n0.de) |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko chihchun (n=nchihchu@140.109.17.84) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko anrp_ (n=anrp@ATOCHA.MIT.EDU) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#openmoko hepaajan_ (i=hepaajan@xob.kapsi.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.52 | *** join/#openmoko beni_ (n=beni@skyforcesystems.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.52 | *** join/#openmoko keithp (n=keithp@home.keithp.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.52 | *** join/#openmoko Gottox (n=Gottox@s01.de) |
| 16:16.53 | *** join/#openmoko warkult (n=warkult@god-mo.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.53 | *** join/#openmoko mps (i=mp@solute.xen-host.de) |
| 16:16.53 | *** join/#openmoko XXLT (n=XXLT@herkules.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:16.53 | *** join/#openmoko CM (i=cm@shaka.acc.umu.se) |
| 16:17.03 | *** join/#openmoko slchen (n=slchen@61-62-214-4-adsl-tao.dynamic.so-net.net.tw) |
| 16:17.11 | *** join/#openmoko _dermoth (n=dermoth@205.151.111.9) |
| 16:17.33 | *** join/#openmoko Sonicadvance (n=Sonic@69.92.97.122) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:17.33 | *** join/#openmoko Ganneff (i=joerg@freenode/staff/debian.joerg) |
| 16:17.33 | *** join/#openmoko nullpuppy (n=dustin@c-67-160-3-135.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 16:17.33 | *** join/#openmoko nslu2-log (n=nslu2-lo@limax.nslu2-linux.org) |
| 16:17.34 | *** join/#openmoko nullpupp1 (n=dustin@c-67-160-3-135.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 16:17.34 | *** join/#openmoko flexd_ (n=kek@79.160.12.127) |
| 16:17.35 | *** join/#openmoko Varox--DT (n=Varox@p4FD44987.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:17.36 | *** join/#openmoko khaije (n=khaije@c-68-33-199-117.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 16:17.37 | dbmoodb_ | yikers |
| 16:17.37 | flexd | yikes :( |
| 16:17.37 | *** join/#openmoko ndrs_ (n=ndrs___@89.100.134.136) |
| 16:17.38 | *** join/#openmoko ike (i=ike@szluug.org) |
| 16:17.38 | *** join/#openmoko theocrite (n=theo@kim.theocrite.org) |
| 16:17.38 | *** join/#openmoko ceda (n=ceda@wendt.csbnet.se) |
| 16:17.38 | *** join/#openmoko TeringTuby (n=maarten@195-241-125-243.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 16:17.40 | *** join/#openmoko Wiedi (n=wiedi@newton-air.w.fruky.net) |
| 16:17.40 | *** join/#openmoko cbrake_ (n=cbrake@oh-69-34-21-229.sta.embarqhsd.net) |
| 16:17.41 | *** join/#openmoko sparq (n=russell@ich.thy.om.orpho.us) |
| 16:17.41 | *** join/#openmoko Bill_ (n=Bill@bill.ee) |
| 16:17.41 | *** join/#openmoko tschuder (n=tschuder@catv-133-219-static.tbwil.ch) |
| 16:17.41 | *** join/#openmoko wurp2|working (n=wurp@65.111.180.216) |
| 16:17.41 | *** join/#openmoko kloeri (i=kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri) |
| 16:17.42 | *** join/#openmoko nev2 (n=han@gazonk.se) |
| 16:17.42 | *** join/#openmoko `pwgen` (n=ew@port-92-202-19-176.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 16:17.42 | *** join/#openmoko fgau (n=fgau@webbox1220.server-home.net) |
| 16:17.43 | *** join/#openmoko johncylee (n=john@firewall.tw.openmoko.org) |
| 16:17.43 | *** join/#openmoko nibbo (i=nibbo@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-08cd25a8024066be) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:17.43 | *** join/#openmoko ckix (n=ckix@APuteaux-153-1-27-36.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:17.45 | *** join/#openmoko muniek92 (n=dinth@host244.dedyki.pl) |
| 16:17.47 | *** join/#openmoko johnsu01` (n=user@fencepost.gnu.org) |
| 16:17.47 | kd8ikt | yeah that is amazing |
| 16:17.47 | *** join/#openmoko khaije (n=khaije@c-68-33-199-117.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 16:17.48 | *** join/#openmoko xcasex_ (n=rrg@ua-83-227-156-234.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 16:17.48 | Zorkman | there were about 40 people left here, and 2 in neo1973-germany :) |
| 16:17.49 | kd8ikt | was i one of em |
| 16:17.50 | *** join/#openmoko fifafrazer (n=as@0x5738ccb5.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 16:17.50 | kd8ikt | ipv6 for the win |
| 16:17.50 | Sup3rkiddo | quick, someone hicjack the channel |
| 16:17.51 | kd8ikt | kinda hard with nickerv |
| 16:17.52 | *** join/#openmoko `pwgen` (n=ew@port-92-202-19-176.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 16:17.58 | *** join/#openmoko muniek92 (n=dinth@host244.dedyki.pl) |
| 16:17.59 | baird | Added a table to the compatible battery entry.. |
| 16:18.00 | dbmoodb_ | baird: --- cool did you see i put stuff on the freerunner batter page ? |
| 16:18.00 | baird | db: I was watching the recent changes page :) |
| 16:18.01 | *** join/#openmoko anno^da_ (n=anno^da@p5B07E549.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:18.01 | dbmoodb_ | baird: the one thing i like doing more than i probably should ...is good documentation |
| 16:18.02 | dbmoodb_ | ah it would be cool if some one could configure a build server to use the mokomakefile with --- that would be cool :) |
| 16:18.02 | baird | db: are you still on the oz-users mailing list? (I unsubscribed) Any mention of the screen protectors that Neil was getting in? |
| 16:18.02 | dbmoodb_ | (or get more things compiled into an installable ipkg / opkg version) |
| 16:18.03 | *** join/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e181165028.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:18.03 | dbmoodb_ | yeah i am ah i checked recently didnt see anything |
| 16:18.03 | dbmoodb_ | baird: i know how you feel the plastic cover on it is only so good :( (screen) |
| 16:18.15 | *** join/#openmoko Mathiasdm (n=Mathias@vpnh168.ugent.be) |
| 16:18.17 | *** join/#openmoko Heinervdm (n=thomas@pD9E15CB6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:18.46 | *** join/#openmoko muniek92 (n=dinth@host244.dedyki.pl) |
| 16:18.49 | *** join/#openmoko playya (n=playya@p579B8F48.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:21.47 | *** join/#openmoko RedDog (n=reddog@mastersword.de) |
| 16:22.41 | *** join/#openmoko Zorkman (n=Zorkman@dD576923C.access.telenet.be) |
| 16:24.34 | *** join/#openmoko muniek92 (n=dinth@host244.dedyki.pl) |
| 16:30.18 | *** join/#openmoko Flinx (i=4ca0afe6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b7f3278f4993be22) |
| 16:30.41 | *** join/#openmoko muniek92 (n=dinth@host244.dedyki.pl) |
| 16:31.04 | Flinx | why are we hijacking the channel? |
| 16:31.35 | *** join/#openmoko morricone (n=foobar@dslb-084-057-159-088.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 16:33.04 | Flinx | dbmoodb_: do you need help with documentation? |
| 16:33.11 | Chox | moo |
| 16:33.17 | Flinx | Hi Chox |
| 16:33.27 | Flinx | dbmoodb_: I LOVE good documentation :P |
| 16:33.35 | Chox | \o/ |
| 16:33.45 | dbmoodb_ | go document then -- i'm not that knowledgemeably on this stuff atm |
| 16:33.58 | Flinx | damnit... |
| 16:34.02 | Flinx | I need direction :p |
| 16:34.17 | Flinx | "go document" doesn't really count ;) |
| 16:34.20 | Chox | on the documentation list, right? |
| 16:34.53 | Flinx | me? |
| 16:34.57 | *** part/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e181165028.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:34.58 | Chox | yes, you |
| 16:35.09 | *** join/#openmoko dbmoodb (n=ooos@124-171-54-127.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 16:35.10 | Chox | You should read that for some direction |
| 16:35.12 | Flinx | Chox: i was waiting to get my FR |
| 16:35.16 | Chox | :o |
| 16:35.29 | *** join/#openmoko almien_ (n=OJW@87-194-198-122.bethere.co.uk) |
| 16:35.55 | Flinx | starts joining the mailing lists.... |
| 16:36.04 | Chox | and read its archives. |
| 16:36.31 | *** join/#openmoko muniek92 (n=dinth@host244.dedyki.pl) |
| 16:36.44 | torpor_ | whats with libefreet damnit? |
| 16:36.58 | Chox | opkg -force-depends remove freet |
| 16:38.06 | torpor | really? |
| 16:38.06 | Tanuva | I want to solder a neo/2.5mm => 3.5mm-stereo-speakers adapter. Is a 2.5mm plug with 4 rings (http://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=2;GROUP=C161;GROUPID=3237;ARTICLE=47785;START=0;SORT=artnr;OFFSET=1000;SID=26lLCjkawQARoAAE3jIoEb4d4757a6a868feae49fd3c176364ad8) the right one for the neo side? |
| 16:38.06 | torpor | thats what i gotta do? |
| 16:38.07 | Chox | well, it's why you can try. Of course, I dunno the exact error. |
| 16:38.07 | Chox | s/why/what/ |
| 16:40.37 | *** join/#openmoko rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@ip-89-102-255-171.karneval.cz) |
| 16:42.35 | torpor | anyone doing anything interesting with their freerunners today? |
| 16:43.14 | mjr | like experimented with fitting it into various bodily orifices? |
| 16:43.18 | mjr | no. |
| 16:44.13 | *** join/#openmoko tedo (n=cta@HSI-KBW-085-216-123-148.hsi.kabelbw.de) |
| 16:45.51 | *** join/#openmoko Sup3rkiddo (n=sudharsh@unaffiliated/sudharsh) |
| 16:46.09 | *** join/#openmoko wirrwarr (n=tim@ppp-88-217-90-146.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 16:46.59 | Flinx | I thought there was going to be an attachment fro that :p |
| 16:47.23 | torpor | you have to sign an NDA to work out how to shove it in. |
| 16:47.33 | Chox | "tethering" |
| 16:48.21 | *** join/#openmoko morricone (n=foobar@dslb-084-057-159-088.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 16:53.38 | *** join/#openmoko pvborza (n=paul@groundhog.ijs.si) |
| 16:54.05 | *** join/#openmoko dcordes (n=dcordes@unaffiliated/dcordes) |
| 16:56.13 | Flinx | rawer |
| 16:57.54 | Quai | hm, can you change the cpu speed while fr is running? |
| 16:58.28 | Quai | im trying to install debian on mine, but aptitude is dead slow, so Im wondering if its in powersaving mode or something |
| 16:59.02 | SpeedEvil | Quai: not yet. |
| 16:59.04 | Flinx | Off Topic: does any one know if scap.linuxtogo.org is -just- for OM screenshots? |
| 16:59.07 | SpeedEvil | Quai: it's being worked on |
| 16:59.39 | Quai | so it is always running on full speed? |
| 16:59.42 | *** join/#openmoko vaiursch (n=erwin@84-75-31-79.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 16:59.44 | SpeedEvil | Flinx: what do you think the lanyard is for but to aid in retrieval. |
| 16:59.46 | SpeedEvil | Quai: yes |
| 16:59.47 | *** join/#openmoko Moo-- (i=snaapy@xob.kapsi.fi) |
| 17:00.07 | SpeedEvil | Quai: at the moemnt at least - there have been reports of some having network problems. |
| 17:00.22 | *** join/#openmoko baze (n=baze@g227072128.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 17:00.40 | Quai | to bad :) it takes me >30 min to install a package with apt |
| 17:00.50 | SpeedEvil | you're on wifi? |
| 17:00.59 | Quai | no |
| 17:01.18 | Moo-- | is it possible to underclock freerunner cpu by software? to converse battery... |
| 17:01.18 | Quai | it is the "Writing extended state information..." that are slow |
| 17:01.45 | Moo-- | my plan: compile scummvm for freerunner and use it as gaming platform. however, battery life is not up to the task. |
| 17:01.51 | SpeedEvil | Moo--: see above answer |
| 17:02.14 | SpeedEvil | Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. |
| 17:03.21 | Flinx | nice |
| 17:03.25 | Moo-- | SpeedEvil: i just joined the channel... let me phrase my question better: gaming takes 100% CPU power, can I still prolong the battery life? |
| 17:03.29 | Flinx | thats seems like pretty good ratings |
| 17:03.44 | SpeedEvil | Moo--: you can turn the CPU slower, or backlight dimmer |
| 17:03.53 | Moo-- | SpeedEvil: ah thanks! |
| 17:04.04 | Moo-- | and my next question.. how? :) |
| 17:04.05 | SpeedEvil | in principle - backlight only ATM |
| 17:04.11 | Moo-- | ack |
| 17:04.23 | SpeedEvil | cock speed is not easy to change. |
| 17:04.24 | SpeedEvil | ^l |
| 17:04.31 | Zorkman | :) |
| 17:04.38 | SpeedEvil | you've got to basically change the speed of the clokc - which is easy. |
| 17:04.58 | SpeedEvil | And then stop and restart correctly all the things - sound, video, sd, serial, ... that are using it. |
| 17:05.32 | Moo-- | hmmm |
| 17:05.32 | SpeedEvil | With teh constraint that some things may not work at some speeds, locking out some speed ranges if you're using the audio, forex. |
| 17:05.51 | torpor | Flinx: scap is used by the handhelds.org folks too, so its not only OM. |
| 17:06.30 | Moo-- | there was some discussion long time ago that mp3 playback could be implemented using switching clock speed states: decoding to a buffer in high speed, then dropping back to a slow speed mode for a while to play it and conserve battery |
| 17:06.47 | Quai | Moo--: for the backlight, write or read a number (from 0 to 63) to /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/backlight/pcf50633-bl/brightness |
| 17:06.49 | Moo-- | if that kind of seamless switching (audio, video) is possible I'd be more than happy |
| 17:07.02 | Moo-- | thanks quai |
| 17:08.23 | *** join/#openmoko kennyz (n=kennyz@uralnet.org) |
| 17:08.36 | Flinx | torpor: Yeah thats what i thought. but since it was flooded with OM stuff i wans't sure. |
| 17:08.44 | *** join/#openmoko Deubeuliou (n=david@AFontenayssB-151-1-63-149.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:09.56 | nezza-_- | raster: you've got access to the enlightenment cvs? if yes you could change the README of edje.. it says that you have to run autogen.sh and then configure.. but autogen.sh DOES actually run configure |
| 17:10.13 | nezza-_- | raster: oh.. forget it.. will write it in the TRAC |
| 17:10.44 | *** join/#openmoko christooss1 (n=matic@BSN-95-218-67.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 17:12.08 | *** join/#openmoko wirrwarr (n=fz@ppp-88-217-90-146.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 17:13.45 | *** join/#openmoko playya (n=playya@p579B8F48.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:14.15 | *** join/#openmoko e_s_p (n=evan@pdpc/supporter/silver/evanpro) |
| 17:14.31 | Flinx | I have a lot of catching up to do -.- |
| 17:17.12 | e_s_p | Hi all |
| 17:17.20 | e_s_p | I {heart} my FreeRunner |
| 17:17.27 | e_s_p | But I also find it kinda frustrating |
| 17:17.40 | e_s_p | On the plus side, it gives me the same feeling as installing Debian for the first time in 1996. |
| 17:17.43 | *** join/#openmoko xaid (n=xaid@S0106000c6ef3cb4e.ed.shawcable.net) |
| 17:17.54 | e_s_p | On the minus side, it gives me the same feeling as installing Debian for the first time in 1996. |
| 17:18.26 | nezza-_- | e_s_p: :D |
| 17:18.48 | e_s_p | I'm also totally confused by the different distributions |
| 17:20.55 | *** join/#openmoko jan_bangna (n=janbangn@ppp-124-120-107-62.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 17:21.49 | Flinx | lol |
| 17:22.11 | Flinx | i take it you have you seen the distro comparison then |
| 17:22.15 | e_s_p | Yes |
| 17:22.28 | e_s_p | And I get the shakes from it |
| 17:22.46 | *** join/#openmoko morricone (n=foobar@dslb-084-057-159-088.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:22.49 | e_s_p | Apparently the phone I got last Friday is out of date already, and a whole new OS is coming. |
| 17:23.07 | e_s_p | But some community devs are working on the old OS still. |
| 17:23.38 | e_s_p | Fortunately I enjoy the fun of flashing new rootfs's to try them out |
| 17:23.52 | mmontour | e_s_p: it's very simple. 2008.8 is ASU, which uses Qt but is not the QTopia distro. 2007.2 is dead but lives on in SHR, which is also FSO. And we don't talk about 2007.1 any more. :) |
| 17:24.06 | e_s_p | mmontour: Ooooooh |
| 17:24.08 | e_s_p | Clear as mud. |
| 17:24.10 | e_s_p | B-) |
| 17:24.15 | jan_bangna | hello, my name is jan and i'm helping to organize the barcamp in bangkok at the August 30 and 31, 2008. Many of us would really love to know more about the openmoko project. do you guys know any person in bangkok, thailand or maybe in the region who wants to give a talk about the project, any maybe show a freerunner live? |
| 17:25.11 | Flinx | Wow... is it just me or does this seem like a BDSM pickup line? "Setting up the hardware, getting to know the Neo FreeRunner physically" |
| 17:26.20 | jan_bangna | we are open source fetichsts, so you are close to it :) |
| 17:26.36 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1041430/Doctor-saves-babys-life-making-homemade-kidney-dialysis-machine.html |
| 17:27.05 | Flinx | okay so its not just me being bored at work ;) |
| 17:27.34 | Flinx | btw.. jan_bangna I really like the idea of speakers, and a live demo |
| 17:27.43 | Flinx | could be a good way to pitch the project. |
| 17:28.23 | jan_bangna | this time we will have around 500 participants and i know manypeople really want to see it |
| 17:28.32 | *** join/#openmoko unknown_lamer (n=clinton@cpe-071-065-238-103.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 17:28.33 | e_s_p | jan_bangna: that's a good idea. I wonder if Taiwan is close enough that people would fly in to do the demo. |
| 17:28.56 | *** join/#openmoko almien_ (n=OJW@87-194-198-122.bethere.co.uk) |
| 17:29.25 | *** part/#openmoko pvborza (n=paul@groundhog.ijs.si) |
| 17:29.33 | jan_bangna | e_s_p i would like to ask them, but hard to find a contact |
| 17:30.11 | e_s_p | Hey, I just got Qtopia working |
| 17:30.14 | e_s_p | Neato |
| 17:30.16 | *** join/#openmoko morricone (n=foobar@dslb-084-057-159-088.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:30.22 | *** join/#openmoko mmaestri (i=a8e2286f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f46b4ca06cdf1c88) |
| 17:32.32 | e_s_p | Wow, Qtopia is a real step up from 2007.2 |
| 17:32.38 | railer | yes |
| 17:33.02 | Flinx | jan_bangna: maybe try sending something through the community mailing list? |
| 17:33.07 | railer | you want to try something cool I just figured out on qtopia? |
| 17:33.17 | Flinx | DAMNIT!!! My SIM card is listed as not working :( |
| 17:33.35 | e_s_p | railer: sure |
| 17:33.44 | e_s_p | Is it going to fry my phone? |
| 17:34.04 | *** join/#openmoko mike--2 (n=mceresin@1016.dca.net) |
| 17:34.08 | jan_bangna | flinx yes, i just applied for an account for the mailing list, or can i just send a mail to the adress without account? |
| 17:34.15 | e_s_p | IWBNI there was some kind of keyboard on this, though |
| 17:34.40 | Flinx | jan_bangna: you should have gotten a second email with a confirmation code |
| 17:34.46 | railer | e_s_p your internet usb connection working? |
| 17:35.08 | Flinx | jan_bangna: then after you confirm you will be given the address you need to mail it to :D |
| 17:35.27 | jan_bangna | flinx jst checkd again, got it. so i will send an email to that list. thanks |
| 17:35.38 | mike--2 | anyone notice the red aux light coming on when charging in 2007.2? |
| 17:36.02 | *** join/#openmoko morricone (n=foobar@dslb-084-057-159-088.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:36.07 | Flinx | this sounds like a silly question to me but here goes. |
| 17:36.37 | Flinx | If I signed up for a new plan with AT&T am I at the mercy of which SIM they give me? |
| 17:36.42 | jan_bangna | bye |
| 17:36.48 | *** part/#openmoko jan_bangna (n=janbangn@ppp-124-120-107-62.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 17:36.56 | Flinx | e.g can I request one that has since proven to work? |
| 17:37.09 | Marcel_M | Zorkman: navit works here with an other garmin map http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
| 17:39.06 | *** join/#openmoko playya (n=playya@p579B8F48.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:40.10 | *** join/#openmoko anno^da_ (n=anno^da@p5B07E549.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:40.49 | railer | Marcel_M very nice |
| 17:44.42 | *** join/#openmoko Deubeuliou (n=david@AFontenayssB-151-1-63-149.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:45.31 | Marcel_M | railer: yes but i dunno why but on the maps are no streetnames (maybe the map doesnt contain them) |
| 17:45.56 | *** join/#openmoko crib (n=chris@port-195-158-167-6.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 17:45.59 | *** join/#openmoko tHc|Deubeuliou (n=david@AFontenayssB-151-1-63-149.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:46.22 | *** join/#openmoko waw_ (n=as@0x5738ccb5.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 17:46.50 | *** join/#openmoko MarcOChapeau (n=MarcOCha@bgn92-4-82-238-213-101.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 17:46.52 | e_s_p | Is there an ASU/2008.8 image I can try out? |
| 17:47.32 | e_s_p | The links from the wiki page are empty |
| 17:48.01 | *** join/#openmoko baze (n=baze@g228080111.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 17:48.39 | peter-b | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/ |
| 17:49.51 | e_s_p | peter-b: thanks! |
| 17:50.04 | peter-b | np |
| 17:50.30 | El_Senator | Hmm... I just flashed my FreeRunnre with the latest ASU image. Can anyone tell me how i get a terminal on it? it doesn't seem to be there as standard |
| 17:50.55 | peter-b | opkg install openmoko-terminal2 |
| 17:51.23 | peter-b | but you need to hack the illume theme to get the keyboard working |
| 17:51.26 | El_Senator | peter-b: yeah, that's what i wanted to do, but it also seems that the usb-net isn't turned on |
| 17:51.39 | Flinx | In terms of Carriers, what would be recommended? I;m reading the Wiki right now, but there doesnt seem to be any "good" option |
| 17:51.47 | torpor | is there an ASU for the neo1973? (gta01) |
| 17:52.59 | e_s_p | Flinx: doesn't it depend on where you are in the world? |
| 17:53.09 | SpeedEvil | http://xkcd.com/293/ |
| 17:53.11 | SpeedEvil | genius |
| 17:53.33 | El_Senator | SpeedEvil: haha! |
| 17:53.34 | Chox | speedy. |
| 17:53.43 | peter-b | <El_Senator> the usb ethernet driver is a module now |
| 17:53.55 | El_Senator | oh, i'll turn it on then |
| 17:53.58 | peter-b | and obviously not loaded by default :-( |
| 17:54.25 | peter-b | you could try an older kernel images |
| 17:54.41 | *** join/#openmoko UndrWater (n=Russell_@pool-71-160-231-186.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 17:54.51 | El_Senator | i don't mind it being a module |
| 17:54.51 | Flinx | sorry I should have specified US carriers |
| 17:54.56 | peter-b | but you may have to adjaust the modules then |
| 17:55.03 | Flinx | basically between AT&T and Tmobile |
| 17:55.20 | El_Senator | peter-b: i suppose it can be insmod'et at the modules menu right? |
| 17:55.39 | peter-b | modules menu ? |
| 17:55.47 | torpor | just do depmod |
| 17:55.51 | UndrWater | Flinx: what was the question? |
| 17:55.57 | *** join/#openmoko Centaur5 (n=fishman@209-33-197-88.dsl.infowest.net) |
| 17:55.59 | El_Senator | peter-b: yeah, there's a modules menu in the settings menu |
| 17:56.01 | torpor | the latest kernel image and config is set up to handle the loadable usb module. |
| 17:56.05 | dingman | Flinx: I'm using t-mobile, and every image I've tried so far has been able to place and receive SMS and phone calls out of the box |
| 17:56.10 | El_Senator | although it's pretty fucked when i scroll it |
| 17:56.10 | torpor | you just have to make sure you run depmod before you reboot after the recent update .. |
| 17:56.18 | peter-b | <El_Senator> no |
| 17:56.30 | dingman | Haven't gotten GPRS working on anything yet, but I haven't tried, either. |
| 17:56.31 | peter-b | these are just illume modules |
| 17:56.36 | El_Senator | ah |
| 17:56.46 | El_Senator | oh well... i'll figure it out |
| 17:56.49 | *** join/#openmoko wolog (n=wolog@AOrleans-152-1-66-149.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:56.50 | El_Senator | thanks |
| 17:57.19 | dingman | Flinx: I also know that T-Mobile has a department called "unsupported phone support" who have been very helpful for me in the past. |
| 17:57.59 | Flinx | nice |
| 17:58.06 | Flinx | dingman: what plan are you using? |
| 17:58.46 | *** join/#openmoko dougt (n=dougt@c-98-210-15-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 17:58.50 | UndrWater | <---AT&T |
| 17:59.14 | *** join/#openmoko jwaters42 (n=justin@timesys-gw0.cust.expedient.net) |
| 18:00.13 | dingman | Flinx: I've got a family time plan with two lines and the "total internet" add-on for each line. |
| 18:00.26 | Flinx | hrm |
| 18:00.43 | dingman | It's worked with my Treo 650 for years, and it works with my wife's Blackjack II as well. |
| 18:00.52 | *** join/#openmoko khaije (n=khaije@c-68-33-199-117.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 18:02.00 | UndrWater | Flinx: have you tried a service with the phone? |
| 18:06.10 | *** join/#openmoko Blastur (n=kebab@kr-lun-168-149-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 18:08.42 | Flinx | UndrWater: Not yet. I am on a very basic AT&T FamilyPlan |
| 18:09.03 | Flinx | UndrWater: even then my SIM is listed as not working. so I need a second plan for the FR |
| 18:10.12 | UndrWater | Flinx: why not just go in and get a good SIM? |
| 18:11.13 | Flinx | because I'm not the one paying for my current plan ;) |
| 18:11.29 | Flinx | and using GSM on it would run up my bill A lot |
| 18:11.40 | Flinx | ...not GSM.. GPS |
| 18:11.55 | Flinx | Its a work day... I'm tired -.- |
| 18:12.21 | Flinx | I have to pay the $0.01/kb of data |
| 18:12.55 | UndrWater | i think you mean gprs? |
| 18:13.44 | *** join/#openmoko wipf (n=wipf@dslb-084-056-217-137.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:14.40 | *** join/#openmoko heikkit (n=chatzill@209.10.209.56) |
| 18:15.27 | *** join/#openmoko duplex (n=tim@p5B24CBA9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:17.20 | Flinx | yeah... |
| 18:17.29 | Flinx | Data plan |
| 18:17.35 | Flinx | >.> |
| 18:18.26 | *** join/#openmoko morricone (n=foobar@dslb-084-057-159-088.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:18.37 | UndrWater | i don't either...but my family plan works quite well...i had to change SIM cards though...because the one i had was poorly manufactured |
| 18:21.33 | *** join/#openmoko morricone (n=foobar@dslb-084-057-159-088.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:21.36 | Flinx | so I guess my question is.. if I want GPS for navigation do I need a data plan? |
| 18:22.26 | UndrWater | Flinx: i don't think so...you'll probably just need a large SD card |
| 18:22.44 | UndrWater | so you can download the maps you'll need |
| 18:22.45 | El_Senator | Ok, so i've been messing around with the ASU for a bit more now. Is there no way to load the USB module after flashing with the latest ASU? |
| 18:23.15 | El_Senator | or do i have to go back to an earlier version, and then ugrade and add the usb module before rebooting? |
| 18:23.40 | bkruse | XorA: you there? |
| 18:25.19 | Flinx | *nods* |
| 18:25.35 | Flinx | I'll wait for my FR to arrive before I look into phone stuff with it |
| 18:25.39 | *** part/#openmoko neldoreth (n=ascot@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 18:27.28 | *** join/#openmoko tHc|Deubeuliou (n=david@AFontenayssB-151-1-63-149.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:30.44 | hiciu | http://pastebin.com/d722256a8 |
| 18:30.55 | hiciu | with mokomakefile |
| 18:32.25 | *** join/#openmoko break_free (n=tushar@tdayal.student.iastate.edu) |
| 18:32.57 | break_free | does suspend work on ASU? Last time I tried it it would wake up when I touched the screen, making it un-pocketable. IS that still around? |
| 18:35.38 | *** join/#openmoko peter_b (n=peter_b@p5497B7FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:36.07 | Zorkman | Marcel_M: are those screenshots made by you? (garmin maps on navit) if so, can you tell me where yougot the maps from and how? because my citynav maps seem not to work |
| 18:36.23 | Zorkman | break_free: maybe lock the screen first? |
| 18:36.50 | break_free | Zorkman, yeah i'll try that next time I flash it |
| 18:37.31 | Marcel_M | Zorkman: http://garminmapsearch.com/ |
| 18:37.43 | *** join/#openmoko tim_abell (n=tim@host-84-9-148-180.dslgb.com) |
| 18:39.23 | `pwgen` | cd /varu |
| 18:39.24 | Zorkman | Marcel_M: i've seen that page before, but how do you download maps from it? |
| 18:41.41 | *** join/#openmoko Mathiasdm (n=Mathias@surfvtk.ugent.be) |
| 18:41.58 | Marcel_M | zoom to the area you like and click on it and on the right half of the screen the existing maps will show up |
| 18:42.32 | Marcel_M | brb |
| 18:43.31 | *** join/#openmoko gopi (n=gopi@adsl-69-232-218-233.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 18:43.39 | *** join/#openmoko bumbl (n=bumbl@91-113-60-187.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 18:48.51 | *** join/#openmoko tomboy64 (n=tomboy64@e178038246.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 18:51.54 | *** join/#openmoko ritz (n=ritesh@nat/redhat-in/x-c012ed60167dbdc3) |
| 18:52.18 | *** join/#openmoko zedstar_ (n=john@82-44-200-69.cable.ubr08.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 18:52.36 | *** join/#openmoko igor321 (n=igor@212.15.177.53) |
| 18:53.46 | *** join/#openmoko Deubeuliou (n=david@AFontenayssB-151-1-63-149.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:54.10 | Zorkman | thanks Marcel_M but these do not seem like very complete maps... they are just the openstreetmaps, no? |
| 18:57.14 | Flinx | UndrWater: so you have a regular (no data) plan with Tmobile? |
| 18:57.41 | Flinx | s/(no data)/(no unlimited data) |
| 18:58.07 | *** part/#openmoko tedo (n=cta@HSI-KBW-085-216-123-148.hsi.kabelbw.de) |
| 19:01.46 | Zorkman | need to reboot Marcel_M to windows, will be back later |
| 19:02.46 | UndrWater | Flinx: AT&T |
| 19:03.02 | *** join/#openmoko dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 19:04.46 | Flinx | ahh. |
| 19:04.53 | Flinx | I missed that >.< sorry... |
| 19:05.09 | UndrWater | np |
| 19:05.39 | Flinx | UndrWater: have you had them replace SIM's before? |
| 19:06.13 | Flinx | cause i don't want them to give me a different one which is also listed as not working >.< |
| 19:08.54 | *** join/#openmoko yakischloba (n=jake@rnkfoods.com) |
| 19:09.37 | jwaters42 | Flinx: I had that happen to me last night |
| 19:09.48 | jwaters42 | I traded one sim card that didn't work for another |
| 19:10.05 | Flinx | *nods* |
| 19:10.14 | jwaters42 | the guy at the at&t store looked at me like I was an idiot when I told him that some cards wouldn't work |
| 19:10.20 | Flinx | I wonder if I can just print out the list and be like... I need one of these... |
| 19:10.36 | jwaters42 | at the store I went to, the guy said they only use one type of card |
| 19:10.42 | UndrWater | Flinx: yes you can |
| 19:10.45 | gargoyle_grin | When I first got my Freerunner, I traded my SIM card and it worked fine. |
| 19:10.49 | gargoyle_grin | lucky for me. |
| 19:10.55 | jwaters42 | yeah, it probably depends on the store |
| 19:11.14 | jwaters42 | i just gave up and bought one from e-bay |
| 19:11.21 | UndrWater | Flinx: also...look to be sure the copper is centered on the card...not offset and on the edge of one side...those are poorly manufactured |
| 19:11.37 | jwaters42 | $3.26 and free shipping |
| 19:12.04 | UndrWater | Flinx: does your current card have an offset copper? |
| 19:12.49 | Flinx | 63513 G 3001 64k smartchip does not respond to at+cimi |
| 19:12.59 | Flinx | thats the card details and yes the copper is offset |
| 19:14.00 | UndrWater | known good card is: 712346 O with centered copper |
| 19:14.32 | UndrWater | when i picked up that one and put it in the phone, it registered within 10 seconds of bootup |
| 19:15.12 | Flinx | kay |
| 19:15.20 | Flinx | is that one on the Wiki? |
| 19:15.51 | UndrWater | Flinx: i've put it on the discussion page of the ATT part of the wiki |
| 19:17.06 | Flinx | kay |
| 19:17.10 | UndrWater | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Carriers/ATT |
| 19:17.19 | UndrWater | look towards the bottom |
| 19:17.32 | Flinx | yeah I'm already there |
| 19:17.39 | *** join/#openmoko Zorkman (i=Zorkman@dD576923C.access.telenet.be) |
| 19:19.48 | peter_b | anyone elso confusing apt-get and opkg on his debian system ? |
| 19:21.27 | *** join/#openmoko morricone (n=foobar@dslb-084-057-159-088.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:22.31 | *** join/#openmoko ndrs_ (n=ndrs___@89.100.134.136) |
| 19:23.56 | *** join/#openmoko yakischloba (n=jake@rnkfoods.com) |
| 19:23.59 | Chox | hm |
| 19:24.12 | Chox | browses through NetFlix roke player binaries. Qttastic. |
| 19:24.16 | Chox | Roku |
| 19:24.31 | *** join/#openmoko ndrs_ (n=ndrs___@89.100.134.136) |
| 19:26.26 | *** join/#openmoko ndrs_ (n=ndrs___@89.100.134.136) |
| 19:30.10 | *** join/#openmoko bumbl_ (n=bumbl@212-183-114-180.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 19:30.12 | *** join/#openmoko ndrs_ (n=ndrs___@89.100.134.136) |
| 19:31.00 | *** join/#openmoko ndrs_ (n=ndrs___@89.100.134.136) |
| 19:31.48 | *** join/#openmoko ndrs_ (n=ndrs___@89.100.134.136) |
| 19:32.12 | *** join/#openmoko tdobson-mobile (n=openmoko@dobsad.plus.com) |
| 19:32.46 | *** join/#openmoko ndrs_ (n=ndrs___@89.100.134.136) |
| 19:33.10 | *** part/#openmoko tdobson-mobile (n=openmoko@dobsad.plus.com) |
| 19:33.43 | *** join/#openmoko ndrs_ (n=ndrs___@89.100.134.136) |
| 19:34.24 | *** join/#openmoko ndrs_ (n=ndrs___@89.100.134.136) |
| 19:35.13 | *** part/#openmoko El_Senator (n=El_Senat@0x4dd4371c.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 19:35.22 | *** join/#openmoko ndrs_ (n=ndrs___@89.100.134.136) |
| 19:35.27 | *** join/#openmoko tdobson-mobile (n=openmoko@dobsad.plus.com) |
| 19:36.13 | *** part/#openmoko tdobson-mobile (n=openmoko@dobsad.plus.com) |
| 19:37.06 | *** join/#openmoko smhar (n=salman@81.22.20.119) |
| 19:38.06 | Flinx | heh |
| 19:38.43 | *** join/#openmoko peepsalot (n=peeps@cpe-67-9-161-48.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 19:39.50 | *** join/#openmoko Varox (n=Varox@p4FD44987.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:41.42 | retracile | How do I search for packages in openembedded / openmoko? |
| 19:43.05 | retracile | (The specific case here is I'm looking for some password safe program to run on the FR, but I don't know the name of one to give to bitbake to build. How do I come up with a name?) |
| 19:43.53 | darkjames | wtf 'password safe programs?' gpg like? |
| 19:44.54 | railer | you mean like opkg list|grep foo? |
| 19:45.17 | retracile | darkjames: "a password protected password store"? |
| 19:45.28 | darkjames | so gpg :) |
| 19:46.04 | railer | qtopia will allow you to upload to facebook |
| 19:46.05 | retracile | railer: that might work; any equivalent on the development machine (so I don't have to run that on the phone?) |
| 19:47.09 | railer | well there is a index online, that's close |
| 19:47.37 | zedstar_ | retracile: u can look in ..../openembedded/packages |
| 19:47.56 | railer | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=section§ion=openmoko%2Fbase |
| 19:48.03 | smhar | ok.. by now we all know that FR will not be offered from OM webstore soon, if ever. so can someone please edit that page and remove the July 25th dead line date.. |
| 19:48.28 | *** join/#openmoko RenaultR83 (n=Renault@AToulon-151-1-110-248.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:48.46 | *** join/#openmoko ndrs_ (n=ndrs___@89.100.134.136) |
| 19:49.17 | zedstar_ | replace the ..... with your moko directory that mokomakefile uses |
| 19:50.58 | *** join/#openmoko CIA-47 (n=CIA@208.69.182.149.simpli.biz) |
| 19:51.49 | retracile | zedstar_ I see that... is that a complete list of what's available? |
| 19:52.47 | zedstar_ | retracile: it depends on when u update i guess but shud be! |
| 19:53.17 | retracile | zedstar_: ok, then that will do what I need. Thanks! |
| 19:54.13 | *** join/#openmoko Cap_J_L_Picard (n=ewanm89@unaffiliated/ewanm89) |
| 19:54.17 | *** join/#openmoko jserv-- (n=jserv@125-233-2-208.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 19:58.29 | McKael | Empty battery :-( |
| 20:00.49 | *** join/#openmoko playya (n=playya@p579B8F48.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:04.39 | Flinx | wow... I am really glad that I ordered mine from Koolu. |
| 20:06.49 | *** join/#openmoko Guilt (n=Karthik@allegro/user/Guilt) |
| 20:07.21 | Tanuva | zhone says S2 instead of S1 for the gps chip, what does that mean? |
| 20:09.21 | *** join/#openmoko aggtrfrad (n=aggtrfra@CPE001346891e81-CM0018c0d9db72.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 20:11.25 | *** join/#openmoko Deubeuliou (n=david@AFontenayssB-151-1-63-149.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:11.28 | *** join/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@85.182.50.227) |
| 20:13.16 | *** join/#openmoko danw_ (n=danw@cpc1-midd4-0-0-cust684.midd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 20:13.29 | *** join/#openmoko ssweeny (n=sweeny@timesys-gw0.cust.expedient.net) |
| 20:13.36 | Varox | hey guys, i am thinking about to buy an openmoko phone. can you guess how long it will take until you are able to use sms, make calls, stand by, and save friends in a phonebook without any bugs? the other functions are just secondary functions and (right now) not very important for me. |
| 20:13.53 | weatherhead | Varox: you can do all this right now on the qtopia image |
| 20:14.01 | weatherhead | but, receiving SMS is still a little bit buggy |
| 20:14.23 | Varox | weatherhead: and how long does the battery last? |
| 20:14.42 | weatherhead | for me, only about 10 hours is the best I have seen |
| 20:14.43 | SpeedEvil | Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. |
| 20:15.06 | weatherhead | guys, I still mostly don't receive text messages in suspend |
| 20:15.16 | weatherhead | anyone know anything about this |
| 20:15.44 | weatherhead | when I then receive a text message while not in standby, they all arrive together, |
| 20:15.53 | SpeedEvil | weatherhead: it's broken. |
| 20:15.56 | Varox | SpeedEvil: how fast is the progress on the battery lifetime? i would like to use it as an everyday phone |
| 20:16.12 | weatherhead | SpeedEvil: is it going to get fixed? |
| 20:16.16 | SpeedEvil | Varox: the main dev hit on one core aspect of it hit a snag |
| 20:16.20 | SpeedEvil | weatherhead: presumably. |
| 20:16.44 | mwester | weatherhead: please post your experience and observations to the appropriate mailing list; the various dev teams do not believe that problem exists. |
| 20:17.09 | weatherhead | what I mean is this: I am using the qtopia image, and will probably want to continue using it even after other images are usable |
| 20:17.10 | Varox | SpeedEvil: what do you mean? |
| 20:17.41 | SpeedEvil | Varox: the person working on CPU speed changing - which is a core aspect - ran into problems - personal and hardware related - that delayed his dev work. |
| 20:18.03 | weatherhead | SpeedEvil: which list should I post to |
| 20:18.03 | *** join/#openmoko lollydays (n=Bob@tdayal.student.iastate.edu) |
| 20:18.10 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 20:18.11 | nev2 | ok |
| 20:18.13 | lollydays | how do i install a terminal in the latest ASU image? |
| 20:18.18 | Varox | SpeedEvil: oh ok |
| 20:18.52 | Varox | SpeedEvil: SpeedEvil so you think the openmoko hardware has to be changed again to become fully functional? |
| 20:19.10 | *** join/#openmoko El_Senator (n=El_Senat@0x4dd4371c.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 20:19.13 | SpeedEvil | Varox: no - not hardware |
| 20:19.24 | *** join/#openmoko tschuder (n=tschuder@catv-133-219-static.tbwil.ch) |
| 20:19.30 | SpeedEvil | Varox: though there are minor issues with the GPS, and the |
| 20:19.40 | SpeedEvil | Varox: accellerator chip turned out to be a wash. |
| 20:20.23 | *** join/#openmoko smhar (n=salman@81.22.20.251) |
| 20:20.39 | Varox | SpeedEvil: you mean bad quality? (sorry i am not a native speaker) |
| 20:20.49 | lollydays | anyone? terminal in asu |
| 20:20.49 | Chox | SpeedFAQ |
| 20:20.50 | SpeedEvil | Varox: not as expected performance |
| 20:21.13 | Varox | SpeedEvil: k, but I think it's nice to have, but not important |
| 20:21.27 | Varox | an accelllerator chip |
| 20:21.35 | Varox | llllll |
| 20:21.47 | malik1972 | lollydays: i dont know,but try "opkg list | grep terminal" or "opkg list | grep console" |
| 20:22.15 | lollydays | thanks |
| 20:22.53 | SpeedEvil | The glamo accellerator chip is a 2D/3D accellerator. Unfortunately, it has a 7megabytes/s bus to the CPU, which is shared by the SD. Transferring 3.5M/s to the glamo uses 50% CPU. The 3D accel cannot do VGA mode. In most cases, the glamo has not ended up improving performance as was hoped. |
| 20:24.34 | abraxa_ | Varox: Or, to put what SpeedEvil said a little differently: a chip that eats up space, costs developer time, eats up power and does not in fact accellerate - that's not something you want :) |
| 20:25.04 | Varox | abraxa_: i guess you are right :) |
| 20:25.29 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: adds to the sticker price, uses board area. |
| 20:25.33 | leinir | Hmm... vector based opengl ui... surely we'd be able to get some shit-hot fps out of that (pardon my French) :) |
| 20:26.03 | *** join/#openmoko rooly (n=chris@208.72.64.238) |
| 20:26.08 | Varox | SpeedEvil: and is weight you have to carry :P |
| 20:26.27 | SpeedEvil | leinir: Find a nice cheap low-power small chipset, available in small (10, and 1K/5K) quantities, with docs, and ... |
| 20:26.35 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Yup, price... I forgot that |
| 20:26.51 | leinir | SpeedEvil: Well, the glammo would be able to do that, yeah? |
| 20:27.10 | SpeedEvil | leinir: well - not especially. |
| 20:27.24 | SpeedEvil | leinir: the amount it can accelerate isn't very high |
| 20:27.31 | *** join/#openmoko ndrs_ (n=ndrs___@89.100.134.136) |
| 20:27.58 | leinir | Well, what i was thinking was, the big bottleneck is the cpu<->gpu bandwidth, yeah? |
| 20:28.01 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: maybe? andy green mentioned an openrisc core on the glamo |
| 20:28.05 | abraxa_ | leinir: In 320x240 *if* someone writes drivers for it, which isn't happening |
| 20:28.09 | leinir | Oh yeah, blah, and the opengl viewport :P |
| 20:28.13 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: which as we understand it has no docs |
| 20:28.19 | leinir | i just remembered that one ;) |
| 20:28.37 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: that are not available under NDA at least --- perhaps Smedia could be convinced to release documentation |
| 20:29.00 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: as I understand from what raster implied, even with the NDA |
| 20:29.05 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: (for the RISC bit) |
| 20:29.11 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: it's just not documented. |
| 20:29.15 | unknown_lamer | ah |
| 20:29.27 | unknown_lamer | still, docs of some sort could help in figuring out how to load code onto them |
| 20:29.34 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 20:30.04 | unknown_lamer | and Andy mentioned something about tweaking the timings a bit more and getting ~1.25-1.5x the bandwidth |
| 20:30.07 | unknown_lamer | better than nothing ... |
| 20:30.09 | SpeedEvil | Then you've only got to work out how to program a completely unknown RISC architecture, with a completely unknown interface, and ... |
| 20:30.26 | *** join/#openmoko Deubeuliou (n=david@AFontenayssB-151-1-63-149.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:30.41 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: but andy specifically said OpenRisc which has a documented ISA |
| 20:31.04 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 20:31.12 | unknown_lamer | assuming it is the proprietary version of the 1k series |
| 20:31.17 | `pwgen` | is mickey moveing his dbus interface from org.freesmartphone.GSM to org.freedesktop.Gypsy ? |
| 20:32.01 | lollydays | i can't get the ASU to do a screenlock... |
| 20:32.10 | baird | Turn the glammo into a gpu-cpu..? :) (a coprocessor..) |
| 20:32.19 | tschuder | Hi. I've tried to set up the USB network thing. I can connec to the FR via ssh. but can't ping the host. It just hangs (using todays ASU). Any sugestions about what I'm doing wrong? |
| 20:32.31 | SpeedEvil | baird: sure, that would be lovely. |
| 20:33.03 | baird | Too bad there isn't a Mandelbrot-based benchmark for Mobile phones.. |
| 20:33.10 | unknown_lamer | baird: it already has /engines/ for mpeg4 and jpeg decoding/encoding |
| 20:33.29 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: mp2 too |
| 20:33.30 | unknown_lamer | which may turn out just to be programs running on an openrisc inside of it |
| 20:33.38 | SpeedEvil | (audio) |
| 20:33.49 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: I'd be surprised if they were not. |
| 20:34.04 | SpeedEvil | Also consider. |
| 20:34.11 | SpeedEvil | GTA03 is reportedly dropping the glamo. |
| 20:34.26 | unknown_lamer | which makes me lust after documentation more :-( perhaps tremor could run there (it ran on the Neuros DSP with its absurdly small cache and obscene main memory fetch times) |
| 20:34.55 | SpeedEvil | Can you get enough good coders for the OR thing, given that they may only have 5K 'customers'. |
| 20:35.10 | lollydays | is there a way I can run a program on the freerunner through SSH? I can't get online with the neo and I want to import my contacts |
| 20:35.16 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: right which implies that openmoko inc. won't want to waste resources on the glamo -- but there are a good number of gta02 machines now and it'd be nice if it were possible for anyone to work on drivers and whatnot effectively |
| 20:35.20 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: nope - problem there is the audio out is unconnected AIUI |
| 20:35.42 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: the lust comment referred to the programmable processor in general |
| 20:36.04 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: it has the SD connected too. |
| 20:36.18 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: pass it a scatter-gather list of blocks, and you can turn the main CPU right off. |
| 20:36.23 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: you could always transfer decoded data back to the CPU (for audio this isn't /that/ bad depending... probably not worth getting a vorbis decoder on chip, but maybe a theora decoder) |
| 20:36.47 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: if this could be done for audio too, it'd be really nice. |
| 20:37.09 | unknown_lamer | naturally ... I bet the wolfson codec had some input somewhere that could have been used... |
| 20:37.31 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: I'd guess it'd be a digital audio out |
| 20:38.47 | *** join/#openmoko quickdev (n=quickdev@p5B055C8B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:38.47 | lollydays | how do I lock the screen in ASU? |
| 20:38.52 | leinir | lollydays: Tap the AUX button :) |
| 20:39.00 | lollydays | leinir: it's not doing anything |
| 20:39.06 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: the 3362 data sheet says it doesn't have audio out anyway |
| 20:39.25 | leinir | lollydays: That's what did it when i used it :) |
| 20:40.15 | lollydays | leinir, i know that's the way it was the last time I flashed a week or so ago but today's image won't lock for me |
| 20:40.21 | *** join/#openmoko Pyrasi (n=Pyrasi@254-135-155.csiweb.net) |
| 20:40.22 | jOERG_rw | SpeedEvil: see schematics: |
| 20:40.30 | lollydays | nor will it let me iwlist scan |
| 20:40.33 | leinir | Right, then no idea, sorry :) |
| 20:40.54 | lollydays | i hope this isn't a problem when they release on the 8th |
| 20:40.56 | jOERG_rw | SpeedEvil: see schematics: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf |
| 20:41.18 | jOERG_rw | glamo audio out NC |
| 20:41.22 | wof_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.27 | SpeedEvil | jOERG_rw: I assumed. |
| 20:41.38 | lollydays | wof_, same problem with ASU |
| 20:41.49 | wof_ | ok, thank lollydays |
| 20:41.54 | SpeedEvil | jOERG_rw: and aside: Funky! |
| 20:42.19 | Wonka | hm. need to set a black background in the terminal... |
| 20:42.35 | Pyrasi | Does anyone know where ASU stores its contact db? I want to update to the newest ASU, but keep my contacts/groups from my current build. |
| 20:42.51 | Wonka | irc is semi-unreadable this wa |
| 20:42.54 | Wonka | y |
| 20:43.14 | *** join/#openmoko LionKMP (n=lion@catv-5985b8e7.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 20:43.39 | mmontour | w00t! Schematics! |
| 20:43.43 | LionKMP | hi! quick: how do I shutdown today's ASU? It's not answering to power button press, like older one did. |
| 20:43.44 | Wonka | and also utf8 |
| 20:43.50 | LionKMP | mmontour: where? |
| 20:43.59 | *** join/#openmoko tim_abell (n=tim@host-84-9-149-227.dslgb.com) |
| 20:44.02 | SpeedEvil | points at jOERG_rw's last message. |
| 20:44.06 | mmontour | does a happy dance |
| 20:44.12 | lollydays | LionKMP: same problem! Damn, ASU felt better to me almost 2 weeks ago |
| 20:44.19 | Wonka | LionKMP: terminall or ssh, "halt" |
| 20:44.31 | LionKMP | Wonka: terminal? where? |
| 20:44.40 | mmontour | LionKMP: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf (posted just before you joined the channel) |
| 20:44.41 | LionKMP | didn't know ASU has a terminal (by default?) |
| 20:44.53 | lollydays | LionKMP: it doesn't |
| 20:44.53 | Pyrasi | Lion: i had that problem once after a long suspend....i just took the battery out and when i put it back in both buttons were responding again |
| 20:45.13 | Pyrasi | I installed vte and it works well as a terminal in ASU |
| 20:45.16 | LionKMP | Pyrasi: ah, yes, I think I had that too, but in 2007.2, wasnt it? |
| 20:45.24 | Pyrasi | openmoko-terminal2 works well as well |
| 20:45.44 | Pyrasi | no....it happened to me in ASU....which is why id assume it is a kernel problem |
| 20:45.46 | El_Senator | it's a bummer they didn't put a terminal in there i think... and cut off the usb-net by default |
| 20:45.50 | Pyrasi | on wakeup from suspend |
| 20:45.56 | El_Senator | i'm pretty much stuck waiting till they put it back in |
| 20:46.11 | lollydays | El_Senator, they cut off the usb-net? |
| 20:46.16 | El_Senator | it's there |
| 20:46.18 | LionKMP | mmontour: thanks, downloading. do you think I should add that to Download wiki page? I just finished a 2 hours long edit on that. |
| 20:46.19 | dingman | El_Senator, you sure it's not just the u-boot issue? |
| 20:46.19 | El_Senator | but as a module |
| 20:46.32 | LionKMP | I guess the URL will change :) |
| 20:46.35 | El_Senator | and since i can't get in contact with it, i can't add it :D |
| 20:46.35 | Pyrasi | El_Senator: flash an old version of the kernel, install the usb networking package, and then flash the new kernel back |
| 20:46.47 | jOERG_rw | LionKMP: nope! Steve will do that |
| 20:46.49 | El_Senator | Pyrasi: hmm... yeah, that's a good idea |
| 20:46.54 | Pyrasi | Thats what i did |
| 20:46.54 | LionKMP | jOERG_rw: ok :) sorry |
| 20:47.01 | El_Senator | Pyrasi: do you know when they modularized it? |
| 20:47.17 | Pyrasi | yea....August 1st it was on the mailing lists |
| 20:47.24 | Pyrasi | community mailing list that is |
| 20:47.24 | El_Senator | thanks |
| 20:48.05 | tschuder | lollydays, i cant even use the network over the usb link.. |
| 20:48.27 | jOERG_rw | LionKMP: at least please wait till Steve had his big show at the linuxworld press conference or whatever hey planned |
| 20:48.30 | lollydays | tshuder, I guess I can't either :) |
| 20:48.52 | LionKMP | jOERG_rw: yep, ok, sorry, I just joined, didn't know what stage this is in. :) |
| 20:48.52 | lollydays | isn't the full release on the 8th? seems like a lot of people are having difficulties with ASU |
| 20:48.58 | SpeedEvil | jOERG_rw: GTA01? /me feels slightly guilty for asking. |
| 20:49.19 | jOERG_rw | SpeedEvil: will be added next days |
| 20:49.37 | SpeedEvil | Woo! :) |
| 20:49.44 | SpeedEvil | Many thanks. |
| 20:49.48 | Pyrasi | does anyone know where ASU stores it's contact db? I'd like to make a backup of it before i upgrade to the new asu. |
| 20:49.51 | jOERG_rw | just about to pimp it up and clean the calypso out :-/ |
| 20:50.16 | lollydays | Pyrasi, i think it's an sqlite db somewhere |
| 20:50.18 | tschuder | Pyrasi, somerhere in the .edb dir i guess |
| 20:50.20 | SpeedEvil | jOERG_rw: Add a large box with 'Here be dragons' on it. |
| 20:50.57 | lollydays | there's a addressbook importer in /opt/Qtopia/bin, but i'm not sure if that lets you output |
| 20:51.00 | tschuder | Pyrasi, if the usb-net isn't loaded anymore. why can i connect via ssh to the neo? |
| 20:52.20 | jOERG_rw | usb-net moved from kernel to module. You have to update your modules (prior to updating kernel), like you always had to... |
| 20:52.20 | Pyrasi | tschuder: I'm not sure. You have your resolv.conf file set up and everything? |
| 20:52.43 | Pyrasi | oh....make sure to depmod after you install usb-net |
| 20:53.00 | jOERG_rw | yup |
| 20:54.08 | *** join/#openmoko ajbrun (n=ajbrun@host86-151-145-26.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 20:54.40 | tschuder | Pyrasi, the /etc/reslov.conf file is there. but i guess its not needed to ping 192.168.0.200 |
| 20:54.54 | *** part/#openmoko mike--2 (n=mceresin@1016.dca.net) |
| 20:55.07 | tschuder | there is no usb-net module loaded (but to see that i had to connect to the neo, so this works..) |
| 20:55.27 | Pyrasi | set your nameserver in that file to an openDNS ip and see if it works then. |
| 20:56.02 | tim_abell | hiya, could someone knowledgeable add a wiki page explaining what "scardy cat" is / means? It's confusing me and perhaps I'm not alone. Thanks. can't see anything there already. |
| 20:56.13 | SpeedEvil | tim_abell: it's hte persons nickname. |
| 20:56.24 | Pyrasi | btw, if anyone is looking for a good car mount for the freerunner, I got this one the other day http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=140255015595&Category=20336 and it fits the freerunner very well....i can still access all the buttons/ports on it while it is mounted. |
| 20:56.37 | tim_abell | you mean as in the user who doesn't want bleeding edge? |
| 20:56.52 | *** part/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@85.182.50.227) |
| 20:57.19 | tschuder | Pyrasi, what do you mean with an openDNS ip? |
| 20:57.57 | El_Senator | ok, now i've been browsing around for a pre-modularized kernel image, but they all seem to have been removed. Does anyone have a pre-1st aug. kernel uImage lying around the net? |
| 20:58.01 | Pyrasi | tschuder: try 208.67.220.220 |
| 20:59.14 | Pyrasi | openDNS is a publicly accessable and trusted DNS server. (www.opendns.com).....i just tell my freerunner to put that as its nameserver whenever it connects via usb. |
| 20:59.25 | jOERG_rw | El_Senator: IIRC there was a move of some stuff to .../obsolete or sth like that |
| 20:59.36 | SpeedEvil | ponders the resistor packs all connected to the glamo camera bus. |
| 20:59.50 | tschuder | Pyrasi, same result. I've used the same nameserver as on my desktop machine |
| 20:59.56 | El_Senator | jOERG_rw: i'll check that out, thanks |
| 21:00.10 | tschuder | Pyrasi, i can't even kill -9 the ping tasks |
| 21:00.32 | ajbrun | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 <---- this is the new ASU image right? |
| 21:00.51 | El_Senator | ajbrun: no |
| 21:00.53 | tschuder | ajbrun, no. look for the one with qtopia |
| 21:00.54 | LionKMP | ajbrun: no, that's 2007.2 GTK image |
| 21:01.00 | El_Senator | grab the qtopia one |
| 21:01.05 | LionKMP | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#Openmoko_2008.8_images_.28ASU.29 |
| 21:01.17 | El_Senator | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 21:01.18 | LionKMP | aww, ( becomaes .28 in URL. |
| 21:01.24 | ajbrun | k - i was just curious to give one a try :p |
| 21:01.39 | ajbrun | Latest stable Om 2008.8 release: coming soon. |
| 21:01.41 | ajbrun | that's good news |
| 21:01.49 | El_Senator | yeah, aug 8th |
| 21:01.50 | ajbrun | any idea when? I heard 8.8.08 mentioned |
| 21:01.52 | ajbrun | ah |
| 21:01.55 | ajbrun | nice :P |
| 21:01.58 | Pyrasi | tschuder: hmm...not sure then. |
| 21:03.26 | ajbrun | LionKMP - that seems to take me to the same link? |
| 21:03.50 | ajbrun | nm - me being daft |
| 21:03.53 | Kero | sees a pyyaml upgrade scrolling by for make fso-image (good, it was broken a few days ago) |
| 21:03.55 | LionKMP | yes. |
| 21:11.27 | tschuder | Pyrasi, i guess I've found the error, there is no iptables comman on the host. (but ping should be possible as well..) |
| 21:13.06 | xirt | how's the 2008.8 image look? |
| 21:13.53 | jOERG_rw | LionKMP: probably the schematics will move to downloads next day, so no use in pointing to my drawer right now |
| 21:14.17 | tim_abell | hello, i'm trying to construct my tar excludes, and I can't find out what /sys is for. could someone enlighten me please? |
| 21:15.06 | jOERG_rw | [sysfs] |
| 21:15.26 | jOERG_rw | ~[sysfs] |
| 21:15.40 | jOERG_rw | hmmm |
| 21:16.23 | Kero | ...but now zhone_git fails to build... |
| 21:16.26 | jOERG_rw | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sysfs |
| 21:16.28 | tim_abell | rtfm's ah, i see. nice one jOERG_rw |
| 21:16.46 | tim_abell | i have used linux before, honest |
| 21:17.26 | tim_abell | i'd seen it was mounted to sysfs, but didn't make the leap |
| 21:17.57 | aggtrfrad | where did the scripts for autoconnect-to-any-open-wlan go? |
| 21:18.03 | *** join/#openmoko t_s_o (n=tso@227.84-49-129.nextgentel.com) |
| 21:18.28 | *** join/#openmoko igor321 (n=igor@212.15.185.69) |
| 21:18.31 | jOERG_rw | n8! |
| 21:19.12 | *** join/#openmoko tsdogs__ (n=tsdogs@62.123.180.130) |
| 21:21.27 | *** join/#openmoko sirkha_top (n=sirkha@c-68-58-178-237.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) |
| 21:22.02 | aggtrfrad | iwlist returns a maximun quality of 55/94 even if i put my phone beside my AP, is there a bur or it is just an inaqurate level? |
| 21:24.06 | *** join/#openmoko spdr (n=spdr@217.132.145.178) |
| 21:24.55 | Zorkman | anyone know how i can get a keyboard button in 2007.2 image like this: http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/keyboard1.png |
| 21:25.06 | Zorkman | (the small button in the upper right corner) |
| 21:26.57 | *** join/#openmoko yakischloba (n=jake@rnkfoods.com) |
| 21:27.16 | wurp2|working | Zorkman: Add the keyboard applet to matchbox-session |
| 21:27.25 | wurp2|working | there is a list of applets in there |
| 21:27.39 | wurp2|working | I think instructions are on Switching Keyboards on the wiki |
| 21:28.05 | Zorkman | i did opkg install matchbox-keyboard-applet .... |
| 21:29.03 | Zorkman | i'll try to check everything again |
| 21:30.54 | SpeedEvil | aggtrfrad: don't expect stuff to be meaningful. |
| 21:33.44 | *** join/#openmoko chsh[] (n=chsh@d38-61-84.commercial1.cgocable.net) |
| 21:34.28 | *** join/#openmoko jannu (n=jannu@hoasnet-fe20dd00-223.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 21:35.05 | *** join/#openmoko Ian00 (n=root@ip68-7-135-13.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 21:39.05 | *** join/#openmoko christooss (n=matic@BSN-95-218-67.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 21:39.13 | torpor | Zorkman: opkg install matchbox-keyboard-applet |
| 21:40.03 | *** join/#openmoko wipf_ (n=wipf@dslb-084-056-242-173.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 21:40.03 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r7fa7f0954219 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Switch the distro into release mode |
| 21:40.03 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8748002614e6 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [opk] Fix the image files that passed IPKG_ARGS |
| 21:40.04 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * reeed508c7395 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko] Put tcpdump, gdb and lsof into the feed |
| 21:40.05 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra811cd51aade 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-enable-debug.bb: [qtopia-phone] Add a package for assassin to enable debug output |
| 21:40.08 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf7b8cc9710d0 10/packages/openmoko-projects/openmoko-community-repository.bb: [openmoko] Fix the feed configuration |
| 21:40.40 | *** join/#openmoko rooly (n=chris@64.92.129.169) |
| 21:41.14 | rooly | anyone accomplished tethering the FR's wifi? |
| 21:41.15 | *** join/#openmoko solar_george (n=solargeo@80-41-132-24.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 21:41.29 | *** join/#openmoko bluelightning (n=blueligh@pdpc/supporter/active/bluelightning) |
| 21:41.38 | lindi- | rooly: tether? |
| 21:42.15 | rooly | as in use the FR or the 1973 as a modem or wireless antenna |
| 21:42.32 | *** join/#openmoko christooss (n=matic@BSN-95-218-67.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 21:42.39 | Zorkman | I got it, it was a problem with my terminal window being to small (using nano) when editing /etc/matchbox/session it made a new line and then it wouldn't show |
| 21:43.27 | lindi- | rooly: wifi works fine for me |
| 21:43.34 | rooly | no no no |
| 21:43.45 | rooly | i mean forward the FR's internet to another machine over usb |
| 21:43.46 | *** join/#openmoko tmzt (n=tmzt@adsl-99-164-110-123.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:43.47 | Zorkman | he means using the FR wifi to get internet on the host |
| 21:44.13 | lindi- | rooly: ah, that should be trivial |
| 21:44.17 | rooly | right |
| 21:44.19 | lindi- | rooly: just setup ip_forward and routing |
| 21:44.22 | rooly | but has anyone accomplished it |
| 21:44.37 | lindi- | i can test tomorrow if you remind me |
| 21:44.44 | rooly | ok, i'll remind you |
| 21:44.47 | lindi- | but i don't see why it possibly couldn't work |
| 21:44.56 | rooly | i agree |
| 21:45.15 | rooly | and ubuntu already sees the usb connection as a wired network |
| 21:45.46 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r50b34832480c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Qtopia upgrade, some reverts, some more modem initialisation and PIN dialog work |
| 21:46.09 | rooly | now, has anyone worked on a bluetooth gui, or will i have to do that |
| 21:46.19 | Pyrasi | scardeycat has one |
| 21:46.26 | Pyrasi | i use it to connect to my bluetooth keyboard |
| 21:46.31 | Pyrasi | works quite well |
| 21:47.38 | mjr | I've used my 1973's gprs from a laptop, but I did some creative ssh forwarding instead of routing since I didn't have iptables on hand there... |
| 21:47.47 | kd8ikt | yeah do the usb_networking wiki page backwards |
| 21:48.10 | torpor | Zorkman: opkg install matchbox-keyboard-applett |
| 21:48.22 | torpor | Pyrasi: you used scaredy's gui to set up bt keyboard? |
| 21:48.40 | kd8ikt | a laptop wihtout a wifi card? what is this 1990? |
| 21:48.47 | Pyrasi | if anyone is looking for a good external and portable keyboard...i would recommend an iGo/Think Outside bluetooth one....it folds out to a nice bluetooth keyboard and even has a holder to hold your freerunner up |
| 21:49.06 | Pyrasi | yes...i believe thats what he intended it to be used for ;) |
| 21:49.09 | kd8ikt | i want one of those frog pad bluetooth keyboards |
| 21:49.24 | rooly | kd8ikt, my laptop's wifi seems to consistently die with the network i'm on right now |
| 21:49.27 | rooly | and i have no idea why |
| 21:49.30 | torpor | i have an apple wireless (bt) keyboard that works great but i have to manually set it up |
| 21:49.34 | rooly | so, in case i need it, i might like to use it |
| 21:49.36 | torpor | i wonder if the gui would work by now. |
| 21:50.02 | rooly | Pyrasi, what's that bluetooth app called? |
| 21:50.12 | *** part/#openmoko bagpuss_thecat (n=bagpuss_@lodge.glasgownet.com) |
| 21:50.24 | *** part/#openmoko solar_george (n=solargeo@80-41-132-24.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 21:50.54 | *** join/#openmoko UndrWater (n=Russell_@pool-71-160-231-186.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 21:51.13 | mjr | kd8ikt, could be useful for a random need to get a _desktop_ wifi-connected |
| 21:51.40 | mjr | it happens... |
| 21:51.44 | rooly | yupyup |
| 21:51.54 | Pyrasi | http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7416/71701203936911zb6.jpg is the keyboard i have. I'll get a link to the bt app in a sec |
| 21:52.11 | rooly | oh but that's sexy |
| 21:55.26 | Pyrasi | http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/app_btkb/?root=scutil |
| 21:55.32 | Pyrasi | thats his bluetooth app |
| 21:56.27 | Pyrasi | just throw the btkb file into your /usr/bin/, the bluetooth-kb.desktop into /usr/share/applications/ and the png into /usr/share/pixmaps |
| 21:56.57 | rooly | kk |
| 21:57.51 | Pyrasi | oh...and make sure the btkb file has execute permissions |
| 21:58.58 | *** join/#openmoko igor321 (n=igor@77.237.109.187) |
| 22:00.26 | kd8ikt | make an ipkg |
| 22:01.40 | kd8ikt | its super easy |
| 22:02.26 | kd8ikt | install the toolchain and nano /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/om-make-ipkg < /bin/sh script and read the wiki page about making packages |
| 22:02.27 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r569df9e61d5f 10/conf/machine/om-gta01.conf: [om-gta01] make sure g-ether is in image |
| 22:02.28 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r41ddebf640cc 10/conf/machine/om-gta02.conf: [om-gta02] we have large flash so load all modules |
| 22:02.28 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rce5060ed5c96 10/packages/tasks/task-base.bb: [task-base] increment PR after modules changes |
| 22:02.29 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r31f029c23e84 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Stable kernel upgrade. g-ether is now a module, beware |
| 22:02.32 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf9db7b5f9dc7 10/packages/openmoko-projects/openmoko-community-repository.bb: [openmoko] Fix the feed configuration |
| 22:02.33 | *** join/#openmoko koenigjm (n=koenigjm@75.150.72.222) |
| 22:02.35 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf9786c722249 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Qtopia upgrade, some reverts, some more modem initialisation and PIN dialog work |
| 22:02.38 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r01517980e319 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-enable-debug.bb: [qtopia-phone] Add a package for assassin to enable debug output |
| 22:02.51 | *** part/#openmoko Pyrasi (n=Pyrasi@254-135-155.csiweb.net) |
| 22:03.20 | rooly | its only for a keyboard? |
| 22:03.39 | *** part/#openmoko UndrWater (n=Russell_@pool-71-160-231-186.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 22:03.47 | kd8ikt | still |
| 22:03.50 | Zorkman | torpor: i replied to your mail regarding the keyboard |
| 22:04.19 | torpor | Zorkman: whats the solution? |
| 22:04.33 | torpor | i think i got it sorta sorted out .. but the keyboard appears to be smaller than it should. |
| 22:04.43 | Zorkman | just opkg install the things, not using the supplied *.ipk's in the file |
| 22:05.03 | Zorkman | hmm.... mine appears ok... |
| 22:05.44 | torpor | yeah okay i did that but i still get a much smaller keyboard than the one shown in the screenshots. |
| 22:06.13 | Zorkman | mine is about 40% of the screen (guess) |
| 22:06.48 | Zorkman | mine is like the screenshots...i didn't do anything special.. |
| 22:07.11 | Zorkman | lol, one hint though: |
| 22:07.20 | Zorkman | do not let your screen get locked :) |
| 22:07.26 | torpor | oh why is that? |
| 22:07.28 | Zorkman | the keyboard stays up and you can't unlock it :) |
| 22:07.33 | torpor | oh shit. |
| 22:07.36 | Zorkman | yeah :) |
| 22:07.57 | Zorkman | so remember to hide the keyboard before locking, or not locking at all :) |
| 22:07.57 | weatherhead | how do you suggest that you "don't let your screen get locked?" |
| 22:08.12 | koenigjm | Hey I just got my openmoko today, and I am wondering if it is possible to connect to the openmoko via bluetooth... |
| 22:08.14 | weatherhead | it locks unless power management is completely disabled |
| 22:08.19 | rooly | koenigjm, it sure is |
| 22:08.24 | Zorkman | weatherhead: long press powerbutton --> powermanagment: no powermanagment |
| 22:08.25 | rooly | but it takes quite a bit of work |
| 22:08.31 | weatherhead | Zorkman: yes I know that |
| 22:08.36 | Zorkman | don't use "dim, don't lock" because it doesn't work, it also locks :) |
| 22:08.43 | weatherhead | but "dim only, no lock" should mean "dim only, don't lock" |
| 22:08.44 | weatherhead | :-) |
| 22:09.03 | weatherhead | oh, that was polite |
| 22:09.06 | koenigjm | is there a guide you can point me at? or is there an easy way I can edit my networking files so I don't have to try to figure how to use vi on the touch screen? :P |
| 22:09.10 | rooly | actually, if your follow the matchbox keyboard install manual, it's fairly painless to install and set as the default |
| 22:09.21 | rooly | and when it's the default it hides when the screen locks |
| 22:09.43 | Zorkman | the default one hides? |
| 22:09.50 | rooly | last time i used it |
| 22:09.54 | koenigjm | or should I upgrade to qtopia and hop for a nice applet? |
| 22:09.56 | *** join/#openmoko CVirus (n=Satan@62.135.96.240) |
| 22:10.07 | weatherhead | koenigjm: qtopia FTW !! |
| 22:10.19 | weatherhead | the ASU isn't really stable yet though, you could try the qtopia.net images |
| 22:10.19 | koenigjm | yeah, so qtopia is better then the default? |
| 22:10.34 | rooly | qtopia is a better phone for sure |
| 22:10.36 | Wonka | "dim only, don't lock" does work differently than the other one - it does not suspend |
| 22:10.39 | weatherhead | qtopia.net can practically be used as a daily phone with a few fairly major quirks |
| 22:10.46 | Zorkman | koenigjm: depends; at the moment it doesn't have gps for example (i think) |
| 22:10.49 | Wonka | but still, i want something that doesn't lock |
| 22:10.53 | weatherhead | yes, well i should then say "dim, lock but don't suspend" |
| 22:10.58 | weatherhead | and there should be a fourth option |
| 22:11.00 | Wonka | ack |
| 22:11.12 | Wonka | and also, i want "suspend now" additionally |
| 22:11.18 | Zorkman | anybody know if there is a bug report for this? |
| 22:11.27 | weatherhead | yes, or at least "lock now" |
| 22:11.34 | weatherhead | that actually works properly |
| 22:11.36 | Wonka | frankly, #666 bites me most, atm |
| 22:11.42 | weatherhead | which is that |
| 22:11.48 | Wonka | 3g sim problem |
| 22:12.10 | weatherhead | oh |
| 22:12.34 | *** join/#openmoko spdr (n=spdr@bzq-79-178-114-195.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 22:12.55 | tdobson | are there any gui ipkg package managers? |
| 22:13.10 | Wonka | asassin? |
| 22:13.19 | Wonka | does not use such things |
| 22:13.22 | rooly | hmm |
| 22:13.27 | rooly | so now that i have bluetooth connected... |
| 22:13.29 | rooly | what do i do with it |
| 22:13.37 | Chox | dance naked |
| 22:13.53 | donomo | and film it |
| 22:14.01 | weatherhead | on the openmoko's camera |
| 22:14.07 | Zorkman | eeuhm... you comming out of the closet donomo? |
| 22:14.25 | donomo | Zorkman: rooly is a fairly gender neutral nick. |
| 22:14.26 | rooly | yup, cause it's camera has so many MP's of image quality, now doesn't it |
| 22:14.30 | Wonka | i currently use gprs over bluetooth on my other cellphone... |
| 22:14.31 | Chox | its |
| 22:14.37 | tdobson | Wonka: that would be it I think :) |
| 22:14.41 | rooly | sighs |
| 22:14.49 | rooly | you know, this is the only place i've ever been called a girl |
| 22:14.50 | tdobson | investigates |
| 22:15.02 | Zorkman | thats because opnemoko has so many female fans |
| 22:15.05 | rooly | aside, of course, from the football squad |
| 22:15.09 | Chox | you girl |
| 22:15.12 | Zorkman | i admit it: i only bought one to get at the chicks... |
| 22:15.13 | donomo | rooly: lol |
| 22:15.28 | Wonka | rooly: whiny girl! |
| 22:15.29 | donomo | Zorkman: it hasnt worked for me so far |
| 22:15.36 | rooly | same... |
| 22:15.42 | rooly | but all the guys say it's awesome |
| 22:15.46 | rooly | so...yeah |
| 22:15.52 | rooly | starts hiding his phone |
| 22:16.10 | Zorkman | donomo: there was actually one girl who was genuinly interested :) |
| 22:16.27 | rooly | meh, i live far away from any computer-literate girls |
| 22:16.37 | rooly | there are only 20 or so in my college right now |
| 22:16.48 | rooly | and 1000 or so comp-sci majors alltogether |
| 22:16.56 | Wonka | 20 girls? or 20 computer-literate girls? |
| 22:17.02 | rooly | 20 comp-sci girls |
| 22:17.07 | rooly | aka 20 computer literate ones |
| 22:17.15 | rooly | i'll be sure to bag and tag all of them tho |
| 22:17.18 | Wonka | i disagree |
| 22:17.23 | kelvie | com sci major =/= computer literate |
| 22:17.29 | Wonka | kelvie: ack |
| 22:17.32 | kelvie | s/com sci/comp sci/ |
| 22:17.35 | Zorkman | mi friend studies arts, so you don't have to be comp-sci to like the freerunner :) |
| 22:17.45 | rooly | i know |
| 22:17.48 | dingman | rooly: one hopes that CS major -> computer literate |
| 22:17.51 | rooly | it is a bad-ass looking little phone |
| 22:17.55 | weatherhead | I had two girls interested in my freerunner the other day |
| 22:18.01 | dingman | But my wife the former psych major can use Windows better than I can. |
| 22:18.06 | rooly | lol |
| 22:18.16 | rooly | my mom is getting to be able to use windows better than me |
| 22:18.20 | dingman | doesn't do Windows |
| 22:18.21 | rooly | but then, i haven't used windows in 4 years |
| 22:18.22 | Wonka | dingman: i _know_ that conclusion doesn't hold. |
| 22:18.27 | weatherhead | my mum can use windows better than I can, but I've been using linux and OSX solely for 6 years |
| 22:18.33 | CVirus | I haven't used windows in 6 years .. hehe |
| 22:18.42 | Zorkman | is on windows now :p |
| 22:18.43 | rooly | snickers at the windows users |
| 22:18.46 | dingman | Wonka: hence the word "hopes" :( |
| 22:18.48 | weatherhead | I actually was trying to install a network card in a windows 2000 machine this morning |
| 22:18.51 | rooly | you guys have to fight with your oss phone! |
| 22:18.51 | weatherhead | couldn't do it... |
| 22:18.52 | weatherhead | lol |
| 22:19.03 | Zorkman | (an ex girlfriend of mine was on a quiz on tv, and couldn't get my video card to run in linux :)) |
| 22:19.17 | Zorkman | by video card i meant tv card |
| 22:19.26 | Wonka | i haven't used windows for more than 4 years and still need to help my parents with it, who use it daily |
| 22:19.39 | rooly | tires of fixing windows |
| 22:19.52 | rooly | the same happens to me, Wonka, but i show them my disgust each time |
| 22:19.53 | Wonka | win2k is not that bad |
| 22:19.57 | Zorkman | Zorkman is only recently learning how to fix linux :) |
| 22:20.12 | rooly | the /me part is so your name appears first already, Zorkman |
| 22:20.17 | Wonka | regarding nic installs |
| 22:20.17 | Zorkman | booting and not getting a video-output is tiresome :) |
| 22:20.19 | weatherhead | yes, I think 2k pro is the most stable OS they have released |
| 22:20.23 | weatherhead | except maybe windows 3.1 |
| 22:20.27 | rooly | lol |
| 22:20.30 | rooly | ok |
| 22:20.32 | donomo | FSO is an interesting setup. Python bindings to Evolution and DBus. |
| 22:20.33 | rooly | enough windows bashing |
| 22:20.40 | rooly | i'm looking forward to how they do with windows 7 |
| 22:20.45 | weatherhead | no, I'm serious, I still have an original 6 floppy volume with 3.1 |
| 22:20.46 | rooly | (because i'll have to fix it less) |
| 22:20.52 | *** join/#openmoko Skorzen (n=Skorzen@89.181.56.154) |
| 22:21.01 | Wonka | weatherhead: me too |
| 22:21.07 | rooly | weatherhead, you should iso them all and put it on the internet |
| 22:21.09 | Wonka | weatherhead: and ms-dos 6.22 |
| 22:21.17 | rooly | i betcha windows 3.1 couldn't run on any of today's hardware |
| 22:21.26 | Wonka | weatherhead: also ms-dos 5.0, and ms-dos 3.2 on 5.25"-floppy |
| 22:21.29 | weatherhead | I have them as virtualbox images :D |
| 22:21.36 | rooly | that works too |
| 22:21.54 | Wonka | rooly: as long as the gpu does VGA... |
| 22:22.04 | rooly | does that bluetooth app cover headsets? |
| 22:22.44 | CVirus | ChanServ is upset |
| 22:22.50 | tdobson | aww |
| 22:23.20 | rooly | hey, anyone wanna see me kill 2 or 3 connections? |
| 22:23.27 | CVirus | has anybody ever tried drawing ChanServ or NickServ ? |
| 22:23.55 | Zorkman | what do you mean rooly? |
| 22:24.07 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: you hang first. |
| 22:24.21 | rooly | Zorkman, i mean using DCC SEND morethan14characters |
| 22:24.29 | *** join/#openmoko IguanaNed (n=IguanaNe@CPE000625db3f84-CM00111ae43f1e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 22:24.39 | Zorkman | didn't know that killed a connetion |
| 22:24.39 | *** part/#openmoko gargoyle_grin (n=randerso@12-217-56-11.client.mchsi.com) |
| 22:24.42 | *** join/#openmoko jdavis_ (i=jdavis@c-24-7-36-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 22:24.42 | *** join/#openmoko flat (n=bkaplan@c-98-210-154-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 22:24.45 | CVirus | lol |
| 22:24.51 | *** join/#openmoko pyknite (n=pyknite@83.68.218.53) |
| 22:24.52 | rooly | only some |
| 22:25.01 | rooly | ugly routers and/or irc clients |
| 22:25.17 | IguanaNed | Good Evening all |
| 22:25.22 | rooly | hiya IguanaNed |
| 22:25.33 | Zorkman | llo |
| 22:25.55 | IguanaNed | Trying to locate ASU image for my freerunner |
| 22:26.06 | tim_abell | tar / == slooow. yawn |
| 22:26.06 | Zorkman | then you can stop right now :) |
| 22:26.22 | IguanaNed | no images? |
| 22:26.23 | Zorkman | right now there are no asu images on the buildhost |
| 22:26.36 | IguanaNed | that would explain it |
| 22:26.44 | Zorkman | everything from before aug has been removed |
| 22:26.54 | Zorkman | expect one @08/08 |
| 22:26.55 | *** join/#openmoko undrwater (n=russell@pool-71-160-231-186.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 22:27.13 | Zorkman | anyway, i'm off |
| 22:27.20 | Zorkman | cyall |
| 22:27.36 | rooly | so |
| 22:27.39 | *** join/#openmoko ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 22:27.40 | *** mode/#openmoko [+o ChanServ] by irc.freenode.net |
| 22:27.40 | rooly | how's pidin on the phone |
| 22:28.09 | tdobson | rooly: it's good |
| 22:29.25 | railer | jamesb |
| 22:29.36 | railer | nm |
| 22:29.53 | tim_abell | hrm, perhaps i should have gzipped on the host and not the phone |
| 22:31.46 | rooly | btw, guys, adding shutdown and restart icons to the app menu is wise |
| 22:32.18 | rooly | fsck |
| 22:32.20 | dingman | IguanaNed, Zorkman: I found a daily with the right naming convention for ASU in today's dailies. |
| 22:32.23 | rooly | unless you accidentaly hit one |
| 22:32.51 | rooly | something has got to be done about the menu slides |
| 22:34.12 | *** join/#openmoko everslick (n=clemens@212-183-118-53.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 22:36.38 | *** join/#openmoko tdobson-mobile (n=openmoko@dobsad.plus.com) |
| 22:37.15 | *** part/#openmoko Moo-- (i=snaapy@xob.kapsi.fi) |
| 22:37.22 | IguanaNed | dingman wherabouts? |
| 22:38.19 | *** join/#openmoko ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 22:38.19 | *** mode/#openmoko [+o ChanServ] by irc.freenode.net |
| 22:38.29 | tdobson-mobile | someone mentioned pidgin on freerunner |
| 22:38.39 | rooly | i did |
| 22:38.50 | tdobson-mobile | im using it |
| 22:39.15 | rooly | i'm waiting for it to connect |
| 22:39.20 | rooly | oy vey |
| 22:39.29 | rooly | so far my wifi script works better than any gui made yet |
| 22:39.41 | tdobson | right. enough multi tap |
| 22:40.27 | tdobson | rooly: I'm swearing by lint-wifi atm, but if you are happily online with ipv4 and dns then :) |
| 22:40.42 | IguanaNed | anyone here running om2008.8? |
| 22:40.54 | rooly | there's a 2008.8? |
| 22:40.57 | rooly | looks |
| 22:41.17 | tdobson | pidgin would be better if we customised it a bit.... ok it would be better if we customised it *a lot* but a few tweaks would make a ton of difference |
| 22:41.35 | tdobson | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8 |
| 22:41.47 | *** join/#openmoko playya_ (n=playya@p579B82AE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:42.14 | rooly | already there |
| 22:42.15 | tdobson | IguanaNed: I'm running 2007.2 but I'm looking at upgrading. |
| 22:42.25 | rooly | is that the qtopia or the combined image |
| 22:42.32 | tdobson | at the moment I'm pretty happy with 2007 so I might give it a few days. |
| 22:43.01 | IguanaNed | combined |
| 22:43.05 | rooly | is tired of the buggy interface, but doesn't want to lose his contacts |
| 22:44.23 | rooly | alright, i'll ask it in the normal way |
| 22:44.27 | rooly | how do i export my contacts |
| 22:44.38 | tdobson | "It launched on August 08, 2008. " - despite the past tense I assume that means its due for release on the 8th... |
| 22:45.00 | tdobson | 2/3 days... |
| 22:45.27 | IguanaNed | how about SHR? |
| 22:47.49 | rooly | so right |
| 22:47.53 | rooly | there are already releases |
| 22:48.02 | ronny | hmm, where to get replacement casies for the phones ? one of the mibles just broke, |
| 22:48.15 | rooly | what's a mible |
| 22:48.30 | ronny | eh nible |
| 22:48.41 | rooly | your trying to confuse me more, aren't you |
| 22:49.10 | tim_abell | "download.openmoko.org could not be found" is that right? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Support#Download |
| 22:49.16 | ronny | takes a photo |
| 22:50.24 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rfc9de0b64caa 10/conf/machine/om-gta02.conf: [om-gta02] Do not generate yaffs2 due size issues |
| 22:50.31 | mmontour | should probably be "downloads" rather than "download" |
| 22:51.06 | tim_abell | arrr, that's better. will fix |
| 22:51.09 | tim_abell | thanks |
| 22:51.33 | rooly | sighs |
| 22:51.48 | rooly | mmontour, any links on exporting contacts to vcard so's i can get them back after i wipe my phone |
| 22:52.02 | mmontour | no idea. |
| 22:52.48 | IguanaNed | Im nreally confused as to what to what to run on my FR |
| 22:53.15 | tdobson | ... in what way. |
| 22:53.15 | IguanaNed | rooly what are you running ? |
| 22:53.22 | rooly | om2007.2 |
| 22:53.25 | tdobson | is running 2007.2 |
| 22:53.41 | IguanaNed | ah was goign to say I have done with qtopia |
| 22:53.56 | rooly | will need to recompile his 3d lib |
| 22:54.17 | rooly | does the qtopia phone server update the time? |
| 22:54.59 | ronny | hmm, anyone knows a registration-free image upload service ? |
| 22:55.09 | tdobson | ronny: yes. |
| 22:55.11 | tdobson | hold on |
| 22:55.37 | tdobson | http://bayimg.com |
| 22:55.39 | SpeedEvil | 4chan.org |
| 22:55.50 | Quai | www.dump.no |
| 22:56.02 | tdobson | don't use it for anything you value and it's a lil bit dodgy but not as much as the rest :P |
| 22:57.39 | rooly | is stealing ritz chips |
| 22:57.56 | ronny | http://bayimg.com/eAKMCaABB <- ok, thats what broke, where to get replacements ;P |
| 22:58.30 | SpeedEvil | ronny: I don't think you can. |
| 22:58.43 | rooly | contact the openmoko people |
| 22:58.44 | SpeedEvil | ronny: or I've not found a way to get spare cases. |
| 22:58.47 | kd8ikt | duct tape |
| 22:58.48 | rooly | they may be accomadating |
| 22:59.23 | SpeedEvil | 'I have broken my neo case, and I think I'll break the next 9' can you ship me 10 new cases? |
| 22:59.23 | kd8ikt | i want a clear case |
| 22:59.26 | rooly | of course, you might always get the RTFM answer, since there's an "open up your moko" or whatever guide |
| 22:59.49 | rooly | wow |
| 22:59.54 | *** join/#openmoko undrwater (n=russell@pool-71-160-231-186.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 22:59.55 | rooly | that could make for some interesting entendre |
| 23:00.03 | rooly | whips out his moko |
| 23:00.21 | rooly | opens his moko |
| 23:00.22 | undrwater | woohoo |
| 23:00.32 | undrwater | you whipped out a booger? |
| 23:00.34 | rooly | anyone wana see my moko? |
| 23:00.42 | tdobson | rooly: not really |
| 23:00.48 | tdobson | I assume it's the same as mine |
| 23:00.56 | undrwater | mine's bigger |
| 23:00.57 | tdobson | I could be wrong |
| 23:01.05 | rooly | only one tuesdays, undrwater |
| 23:01.18 | undrwater | :) |
| 23:01.27 | tdobson | undrwater: mines bigger when I see your mum/sister/grandmother/etc |
| 23:01.48 | rooly | mine is bigger when i see your /usr/share/pixmaps! |
| 23:01.49 | tdobson | :p |
| 23:01.59 | Tanuva | there seems to be a mistake in the distro-defaults package |
| 23:02.06 | Tanuva | or rather in the opkg config files it contains |
| 23:02.12 | tdobson | oh.. |
| 23:02.18 | rooly | writes down all his contacts |
| 23:02.40 | Tanuva | or not? *confused* |
| 23:02.49 | undrwater | hmmm |
| 23:03.20 | undrwater | trying to boot from SD...kernel stuck at "Freeing init memory: 128k |
| 23:03.51 | tim_abell | rooly, how about http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup |
| 23:03.52 | ronny | is there still not sane pim based sync to pim-suites on a pc (like syncml) ? |
| 23:03.53 | Tanuva | theres an entry fic-gta02-feed.conf, but that directory fic-gta02 doesnt exist on the buildhost |
| 23:04.03 | tim_abell | i added a /home/root backup to that page |
| 23:04.15 | tim_abell | and i think your contacts are in /home/root/.evolution |
| 23:04.16 | undrwater | waits for anyone to answer ronny's question |
| 23:04.56 | rooly | meh |
| 23:04.59 | rooly | i'll do it the hard way |
| 23:05.07 | rooly | everyone needs to type every once in a while |
| 23:05.19 | undrwater | hahhahha |
| 23:05.28 | kd8ikt | anyone know how to view the cad files with linux? |
| 23:05.48 | undrwater | blender won't? |
| 23:06.02 | *** join/#openmoko dawson (i=dawson@79.101.199.110) |
| 23:06.22 | dawson | hello people |
| 23:06.29 | *** join/#openmoko johngay (n=john@adsl-2-32-54.mia.bellsouth.net) |
| 23:06.37 | weatherhead | undrwater: you want to do serious producŧ design with blender ? |
| 23:06.40 | tdobson | ronny: there's something in the wiki about importing from vcard |
| 23:06.46 | tim_abell | opkg update .... remove /usr/lib/libvte.so.9.2.13 failed: No such file or directory. should i be afraid? |
| 23:06.51 | tdobson | I don't know about exporting |
| 23:06.58 | tim_abell | upgrade, rather |
| 23:07.02 | tdobson | they might all be in .contacts or something |
| 23:07.02 | weatherhead | importing from vcard is hardly a proper sync with a pc |
| 23:07.31 | rooly | someone will make a proper evolution contact sync |
| 23:07.32 | *** join/#openmoko DaWsOn (i=DaWsOn@79.101.199.110) |
| 23:07.35 | undrwater | weatherhead: someone asked how to view..not design |
| 23:07.39 | weatherhead | heh ok |
| 23:07.53 | rooly | try qcad |
| 23:07.57 | rooly | and freecad |
| 23:08.02 | weatherhead | qcad is 2d only |
| 23:08.06 | rooly | orly? |
| 23:08.09 | rooly | didn't know |
| 23:08.17 | rooly | there's a 3rd linux cad solution, but i don't remember it |
| 23:08.23 | *** join/#openmoko immaculatefilth_ (n=bmiller@cpe-74-79-15-148.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 23:08.25 | weatherhead | brlcad |
| 23:08.33 | weatherhead | but I've never got it to do anything useful |
| 23:08.57 | rooly | mmmm |
| 23:08.59 | rooly | ritz chips |
| 23:09.02 | rooly | wins |
| 23:10.15 | ronny | wait, there is evolution on the moko, and noone added a sync component? |
| 23:10.27 | *** part/#openmoko tdobson-mobile (n=openmoko@dobsad.plus.com) |
| 23:10.29 | ronny | (or do i just plain missunderstand now) |
| 23:10.31 | Tanuva | ronny: no evolution, but the data is stored in evolution format afaik |
| 23:10.47 | undrwater | non-current evolution format |
| 23:11.10 | ronny | non-current as in old? |
| 23:11.29 | Tanuva | does the fr turn off or somehow else disable the wlan chip if there's no traffic? |
| 23:11.35 | undrwater | ronny: not sure...it's in the wiki...mentions that the data is in different format |
| 23:11.36 | *** join/#openmoko DerHorst_ (n=Horst@e176119025.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 23:11.46 | torpor | godamnt bluetooth is a pain in the ass. |
| 23:11.58 | tdobson | Tanuva: don't think so. |
| 23:12.01 | ronny | undrwater: can you point me? im overseeing this |
| 23:13.05 | undrwater | ronny: hang on |
| 23:13.17 | rwhitby | morning |
| 23:14.46 | *** join/#openmoko dcordes_ (n=dcordes@unaffiliated/dcordes) |
| 23:16.07 | ronny | undrwater: i just found the PIM_Storage page by accident ^^' |
| 23:16.30 | *** join/#openmoko ajehals (n=andyhals@82-47-216-107.cable.ubr06.shef.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 23:16.51 | undrwater | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts |
| 23:17.10 | tdobson | hi ajehals |
| 23:17.12 | undrwater | FreeRunner uses Evolution data server (eds) to save contacts. However, the specific version used differs from what is probably used on your desktop (if you have Evolution installed). |
| 23:17.29 | tdobson | fancy meeting you here. |
| 23:17.32 | ajehals | hmm |
| 23:17.55 | *** join/#openmoko break_free (n=Bob@67-41-105-32.desm.qwest.net) |
| 23:18.06 | tim_abell | what are people using to get email on the phone? if anything |
| 23:18.06 | ajehals | tdobson - cant figure out what the ui is looking for to display a keyboard... |
| 23:18.37 | tdobson | have you got one installed? |
| 23:18.56 | break_free | haha, the wireless is pretty poor on this. My FR is literally on top of my router and iwlist scan results 68/94 |
| 23:19.07 | ajehals | tdobson - yeah, |
| 23:19.12 | Tanuva | /dev/ttySAC1 IS the gps device on fr, isn't it?! |
| 23:19.15 | SpeedEvil | break_free: do not expect numbers to reflect reality |
| 23:19.17 | SpeedEvil | Tanuva: yes |
| 23:19.24 | SpeedEvil | Tanuva: gotta turn it on first |
| 23:19.41 | SpeedEvil | break_free: 68 may just be the maximum possible with the circuit configuration - it means nothing. |
| 23:19.51 | break_free | ah |
| 23:20.01 | ajehals | tdobson - although not whatever is packaged as openmoko-keyboard - seems to be missing from the repository I am using... |
| 23:20.05 | Tanuva | SpeedEvil: the strange thing is: tangogps and zhone can perfectly read gps data from it (as it seems), but gpsd doesn't start although /etc/defaults/gpsd is linked to /dev/ttySAC1... |
| 23:20.16 | *** join/#openmoko swc|666 (n=swc|666@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 23:20.28 | Tanuva | SpeedEvil: gpsd complains about it not being a gps device |
| 23:20.42 | *** join/#openmoko tdobson-mobile (n=openmoko@dobsad.plus.com) |
| 23:20.45 | tdobson | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards # may help |
| 23:20.53 | Tanuva | but navit needs gpsd to get some signal :/ |
| 23:20.56 | SpeedEvil | Tanuva: what does cat /dev/ttySAC1 say? |
| 23:21.07 | Tanuva | nothing, cat terminates silently |
| 23:21.22 | SpeedEvil | what does fuser /dev/ttySAC1 show? |
| 23:21.23 | *** join/#openmoko Moo-- (i=snaapy@xob.kapsi.fi) |
| 23:21.37 | Moo-- | any pointers for this? root@om-gta02:~# opkg install openmoko-browser2 |
| 23:21.37 | Moo-- | Segmentation fault |
| 23:22.17 | ronny | add -V3 to see more debug output |
| 23:22.53 | undrwater | Moo--: you have internet? |
| 23:23.03 | Moo-- | it pings to google |
| 23:23.14 | undrwater | cool...and you've done opkg update? |
| 23:24.13 | Moo-- | well |
| 23:24.19 | Moo-- | root@om-gta02:~# opkg update |
| 23:24.19 | Moo-- | *** glibc detected *** opkg: free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x00026190 *** |
| 23:24.19 | Tanuva | SpeedEvil: sorry for the delay, just got to change back from (unstable) wlan-ssh to usb-ssh |
| 23:24.22 | Moo-- | Aborted |
| 23:24.47 | Moo-- | it does not matter whether I install or update it segfaults/memory corrupts |
| 23:24.54 | tdobson | ajehals: I can only get the default keyboard to work myself, so you may need to use that... |
| 23:24.56 | Moo-- | i have free memory |
| 23:25.56 | Tanuva | SpeedEvil: fuser /dev/ttySAC1 tells me "1351" (gps chip should be turned off atm according to zhone) |
| 23:26.05 | ajehals | tdobson - the issue is that I dont get an osk unless I specifically launch one, i.e. taping into a terminal - it does nothing |
| 23:26.28 | ajehals | also I have a keyboard panel aplet that does nothing either.. |
| 23:26.44 | tdobson | ajehals: that's the same for me though :) |
| 23:26.53 | ajehals | tdobson - it'll be my fault, but I cant quite tell where to start |
| 23:26.55 | tdobson | have you tried the multitap keybaord though... |
| 23:27.04 | tdobson | ajehals: this is om. unlikely |
| 23:27.04 | ajehals | nope |
| 23:27.14 | tdobson | ajehals: try and get it |
| 23:27.19 | ajehals | What is it called? |
| 23:27.29 | tdobson | it's listed on that page |
| 23:27.32 | tdobson | it's the default |
| 23:27.42 | tdobson | it's multitap-keyboard or something |
| 23:29.00 | *** join/#openmoko Infoport (n=Infoport@cpe-065-188-144-244.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 23:30.22 | Infoport | hi all! I'm having no sound on the Freerunner during calls (and I can't seem to figure out how to fix via the mixer) |
| 23:31.34 | tdobson | doesn't know much about the sound |
| 23:31.44 | tdobson | Infoport: have you tired rebooting it |
| 23:32.28 | Infoport | it has been rebooted many times. I think it *may* have happened after trying to get better Mic2 volume using Wiki directions to save the states |
| 23:33.23 | *** join/#openmoko tdobson-mobile (n=openmoko@dobsad.plus.com) |
| 23:34.41 | Infoport | ok, "Amp Spk" seems to be at 00 and doesn't want to change (checked it because of Wiki saying to zero it for headphones) |
| 23:35.43 | *** join/#openmoko tdobson-mobil1 (n=openmoko@dobsad.plus.com) |
| 23:37.42 | *** join/#openmoko kgoetz (n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/pdpc.active.kgoetz) |
| 23:39.33 | Infoport | maybe "Amp Spk" is just a switch and not a level-- it only seems to want to be mute (MM) or on (00) |
| 23:40.32 | *** join/#openmoko igor321 (n=igor@77.237.102.23) |
| 23:40.59 | Infoport | I'm using the "normal" 2007.2 system, upgraded by opkg |
| 23:41.50 | *** join/#openmoko blan (n=blan@dslb-088-066-100-161.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:41.59 | SpeedEvil | amp spk is the speaker amp on or off |
| 23:42.02 | SpeedEvil | it's a power switch |
| 23:42.53 | Tanuva | SpeedEvil: any idea about the gpsd device thing? |
| 23:42.59 | Infoport | ok, then it isn't that-- I have it on. Still, no sound received or sent from my end on a call now (worked originally) |
| 23:43.10 | ajehals | tdobson - I think I need to look at a more recent repo |
| 23:43.21 | SpeedEvil | Tanuva: does fuser show any users of /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 23:43.39 | Tanuva | SpeedEvil: it shows 1351, whatever that means... :/ |
| 23:43.54 | SpeedEvil | Tanuva: that means process 1351 is using the gp |
| 23:43.55 | SpeedEvil | s |
| 23:43.59 | SpeedEvil | ps 1351 |
| 23:44.07 | Tanuva | ah. thats the frameworkd |
| 23:45.20 | *** join/#openmoko qhartman (n=qhartman@74.93.188.113) |
| 23:46.36 | *** join/#openmoko batti112 (n=batti@p5B148D7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:48.24 | *** join/#openmoko rooly (n=chris@208.72.64.238) |
| 23:48.41 | rooly | so yeah |
| 23:48.48 | rooly | updating the om2008.8.5 |
| 23:48.53 | tdobson | ajehals: are you arm4? |
| 23:49.09 | ajehals | tdobson - sorted - although I have just upgraded prettymuch everything |
| 23:49.12 | tdobson | ajehals: cool |
| 23:52.16 | *** join/#openmoko mgregson (n=mgregson@116.232.28.231) |
| 23:53.02 | tdobson | ajehals: what exactly are you running? |
| 23:53.58 | kgoetz | morning all |
| 23:54.16 | ajehals | tdobson - actually maybe not |
| 23:56.48 | ajehals | tdobson - what do you mean? |
| 23:58.15 | tdobson | ajehals: distro |
| 23:59.02 | ajehals | tdobson - Angstrom |
| 23:59.40 | tdobson | if you are arm4 can you add the openmoko repositories...? |
| 23:59.42 | undrwater | ajehals: opie or gpe? |
