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| 00:01.50 | torindel | alphaone: ping |
| 00:02.19 | torindel | or anyone with push access -__- |
| 00:02.37 | XorA|gone | torindel: whats up? |
| 00:03.30 | torindel | XorA|gone: on framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py:154 it should be self.curline |
| 00:03.46 | XorA|gone | torindel: oh, I dont have push for that |
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| 00:11.54 | XorA|gone | FLOOD |
| 00:12.09 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian2 07org.openmoko.dev * rb55bd75cc3dc 10/packages/jamvm/ (files/jamvm_1.4.5-initial.patch jamvm-initial_1.4.5.bb): jamvm-initial 1.4.5: New recipe. |
| 00:12.10 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian2 07org.openmoko.dev * r4344320e5e25 10/packages/classpath/ (classpath-native.inc classpath.inc): classpath-native.inc: Set JAVAC through environment variable. |
| 00:12.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r4ad49c8118dd 10/conf/distro/ (include/angstrom-2007-for-openmoko.inc openmoko.conf): openmoko.conf: remove P1, there are no longer any phases. allow feed config to be overriden locally |
| 00:12.12 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r92271e67b0c2 10/packages/efl1/ecore_cvs.bb: ecore cvs catch up with changed option (from Openmoko) |
| 00:12.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r9d45b83240e7 10/conf/distro/include/ (moko-autorev.inc sane-srcdates.inc): update EFL due to important VKBD fixes. sorry guys. |
| 00:12.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r7529647f0d70 10/ (58 files in 26 dirs): merge of 'aeb1ac8ac964032ee256054d8009fd226a984570' |
| 00:12.21 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * r16522352027e 10/packages/gcc/gcc-cross-kernel.inc: gcc-cross-kernel: make installdirs before install-common |
| 00:12.24 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * r6182475e0f0f 10/packages/gcc/gcc-cross-kernel.inc: merge of 'd11de5b2fccb6699a3ba660836048f87dc676a4c' |
| 00:12.27 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r7d4f14350af7 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (3 files in 2 dirs): illume svn enable keyboard |
| 00:12.36 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r83689a29df62 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merge of 'adeeabec80174cc28a509847c43a6193d386e011' |
| 00:12.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r73def65d6a80 10/packages/ecj/ (ecj-bootstrap-native_3.3.2.bb ecj-initial_3.3.2.bb): ecj: update to version 3.3.2 |
| 00:12.42 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * rb537f466fcda 10/packages/classpath/classpath-native.inc: classpath-native.inc: |
| 00:12.45 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r9ec8a34aef9c 10/ (285 files in 72 dirs): merge of '3f2ba26557bb371913a11a48aa9bcb4f58fd6fe5' |
| 00:12.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r02f8b81623de 10/packages/classpath/classpath-initial_0.93.bb: classpath-initial: fix libtool2 error |
| 00:12.51 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r33cd079606d1 10/packages/classpath/classpath-native.inc: merge of '5ae815d03c9ef1f749d3938f74dbd8e73c455921' |
| 00:13.04 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r45ee822cf5da 10/packages/ecj/ (ecj-bootstrap-native_3.4.bb ecj-initial_3.4.bb): ecj: update to version 3.4 |
| 00:13.07 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * rad14da7225ed 10/packages/xorg-lib/libx11-native_1.0.1.bb: libx11-native_1.0.1: actually use 1.0.1 tarball, not 1.1.1 |
| 00:13.10 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * r1b3682ee3dce 10/packages/xorg-lib/libx11-native_1.0.1.bb: merge of '175ebb8804e22098d4acb2270345622a09cb816f' |
| 00:13.13 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * ra4c2004f799e 10/packages/xorg-font/ (3 files in 2 dirs): font-misc-misc: re-add apparently deleted package with no obvious |
| 00:13.16 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * rc64803b7285a 10/packages/snes9x/ (64bit.patch snes9x_1.43-WIP1.bb): snes9x: fix cross-compiling problem with 64 bit host |
| 00:13.16 | kgoetz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.19 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * rcdd90c8fe2ad 10/packages/openchrome/ (3 files): openchrome: add 0.2.902 |
| 00:13.32 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r8d79ac08eedb 10/packages/images/fso-image.bb: fso-image: include dosfstools |
| 00:13.35 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r6b2d33232c83 10/ (52 files in 24 dirs): merge of '2700039073a3760641797b52ac5897f2eee3d92a' |
| 00:13.38 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * r02ecd6127148 10/packages/mesa/ (files/mklib-cross.patch mesa-dri_6.5.2.bb mesa-dri_7.0.3.bb): mesa-dri: fix 6.5.2 cross compilation error, add 7.0.3 |
| 00:13.41 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * r723893729f5e 10/packages/lirc/lirc-modules_0.8.3+cvs20080713.bb: lirc-modules: remove "-e" from makeflags, was causing build breakage |
| 00:13.44 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * r8740a9f85314 10/packages/ (4 files in 3 dirs): merge of '0f42cd616108360d027b0381a276d5b1a3cf26fa' |
| 00:13.47 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r1b9e7de01f55 10/conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc: moko-autorev.inc: yank strange character from file |
| 00:14.00 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r9995bb349ac0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: sane-srcdates.inc: remove strange character. my merger is broken |
| 00:14.03 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r545bd71cff99 10/packages/ (4 files in 3 dirs): merge of '6973c76c103f69158263106e5945c463a17c9759' |
| 00:14.06 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * r27521b18e361 10/packages/openchrome/ (3 files): openchrome: adjust PACKAGES_DYNAMIC |
| 00:14.09 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * r9894f07d4368 10/packages/tasks/task-mythfront.bb: mythfront: adjust dependencies |
| 00:14.12 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r64367a5b34af 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): merge of 'bb233fef5b7011690cc33565cb45dadb42be30c7' |
| 00:14.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * r850eec589010 10/classes/kernel.bbclass: kernel.bbclass: -change initramfs-logic |
| 00:14.28 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * r3690f6d83bd3 10/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add linux-kexeboot: a kernel with initramfs-kernel-image as initramfs |
| 00:14.31 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * ra3b5e7535d78 10/packages/linux/ (4 files in 2 dirs): linux-rp 2.6.26:-update collie patch |
| 00:14.34 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r8198d654b2a3 10/packages/classpath/classpath-native.inc: classpath-initial: fix libtool2 error |
| 00:14.37 | CIA-46 | (172 lines omitted) |
| 00:14.41 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r5e06c8811ad9 10/ (356 files in 114 dirs): Merge commit 'openembedded/org.openembedded.dev' into org.openmoko.dev |
| 00:14.44 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r8a2dbad7cde0 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko-feed] remove stuff doesnt build due to java/perl breakage |
| 00:14.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r35e4e06021ec 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preffered-om-2008-versions] update some versions |
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| 00:17.55 | torindel | spamspamspam ;] |
| 00:18.08 | kgoetz | goes :o |
| 00:18.27 | kgoetz | that was huge. http://cia.vc/ i quite amusing - 200+ |
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| 00:23.44 | varikin | anyone know how to make the FR vibrate? |
| 00:24.22 | baird | varikin: see /etc/pulse/session .. that'll at least disable the ringtone. |
| 00:24.47 | varikin | baird: I got that, but I would like to make it vibrate |
| 00:25.20 | varikin | or is that not implemented yet? |
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| 01:07.36 | varikin | I found that if I specify a file that doesn't exist instead of a wav file in /etc/pulse/session, the FR will vibrate but not ring |
| 01:10.39 | baird | I was going to mention that on the wiki, but it appears to have gone down again.. |
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| 01:23.33 | varikin | thinking about it some more, I realized I was being stupid about it. it already vibrates with a call which is not handled by pulse audio |
| 01:24.12 | varikin | So I commented out the line in /etc/pulse/session which stops the ringing, but it still vibrates. |
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| 01:27.46 | baird | ah |
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| 01:50.48 | sandman__ | what's the wifi scanner used by most |
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| 01:58.48 | kgoetz | hm. battery status shown as full (hanging off usb), and i get a message saying its critically low :( |
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| 02:11.47 | CVirus | I miss the orange Neo |
| 02:11.58 | topaspv | CVirus, do you have one? |
| 02:12.03 | CVirus | nope |
| 02:12.07 | CVirus | wanted to buy one |
| 02:12.19 | topaspv | I have the black one. |
| 02:12.22 | topaspv | works great. |
| 02:12.22 | topaspv | :D |
| 02:12.26 | CVirus | http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/f/f2/Neo1973_uboot_splash.jpg |
| 02:12.33 | topaspv | well, except not recognizing my sim card... |
| 02:12.42 | CVirus | hehe |
| 02:12.51 | CVirus | I think I'll go to bed |
| 02:12.53 | CVirus | good night all |
| 02:12.57 | topaspv | have a good one! |
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| 02:14.27 | summatusmentis | hmm... I wish GSM worked better where I live |
| 02:14.43 | topaspv | :D |
| 02:15.01 | topaspv | I ordered a new sim card.. I hope this will fix it... |
| 02:15.28 | kgoetz | plans to get a gsm-data only plan for the FR for the moment. use it for OSM |
| 02:16.00 | dpaterso | I have just received the freerunner..... 12 hours - I have broken it twice, and fixed it three times |
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| 02:17.52 | linuxxee | well stopit |
| 02:18.35 | kgoetz | hehe |
| 02:18.41 | dpaterso | Is there a place to ask basic questions - what is the best kernal FS and bootloader to flash? |
| 02:18.47 | kgoetz | dpaterso: sounds like what i did |
| 02:19.24 | dpaterso | it is good to be not alone.... I thought I was pretty good with this kind of thing.... but this is ship in a bottle complicated. |
| 02:19.55 | kgoetz | still hasnt updated his uboot |
| 02:20.46 | dpaterso | isn't sure if I have or not |
| 02:21.36 | dpaterso | I have been using VM Ubuntu from a Mac OS just to make it more fun. |
| 02:22.27 | dpaterso | <---- hates noobs..... (loves irony) |
| 02:24.05 | kgoetz | dpaterso: please dont pm me without asking |
| 02:24.12 | dpaterso | sorry |
| 02:24.31 | dpaterso | I don't know the rules, did not mean disrespect. |
| 02:24.37 | dpaterso | see them now. |
| 02:24.40 | abraxa_ | dpaterso: Everything is still in major flux as you might have noticed, so things are pretty much hit-and-miss at this point. There are kernels/rootfs/bootloaders marked as "good" but they receive so much love that those "good" releases soon are superseded by enhanced versions that aren't marked the same way, however |
| 02:24.42 | dpaterso | won't happen again |
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| 02:24.56 | feydreva | hey |
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| 02:25.19 | dpaterso | thanks abraza |
| 02:26.27 | abraxa_ | dpaterso: That said, a good kernel to use is http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.24+gitr62+855f715f8568a50391d1526ab2954925c08dab79-r4-om-gta02.bin since it contains the GPS+SD fixes |
| 02:27.43 | kgoetz | downloads that to replace his current 'default kernel' |
| 02:27.54 | dpaterso | Thank you |
| 02:28.02 | feydreva | abraxa_, Ho :) thx you.. exaclty what I was looking for... |
| 02:28.14 | dpaterso | It says Neo1973 - this is okay for F-runner |
| 02:28.43 | feydreva | dpaterso, the link says gta02 |
| 02:29.02 | kgoetz | dpaterso: its not uncommon for things to say neo1973 in them |
| 02:29.20 | dpaterso | great - that is important and new infor. |
| 02:29.34 | dpaterso | I really appreciate this assistance - xactly what I am looking 4 |
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| 02:31.11 | kgoetz | requests you use whole words instead of numbers - like 'for' |
| 02:31.19 | dpaterso | so, abraxa.... I would just flash that kernal and then reboot? is that right. |
| 02:31.34 | dpaterso | learning |
| 02:32.13 | kgoetz | dpaterso: you would flash it with the dfu-util |
| 02:32.22 | dpaterso | yes |
| 02:35.26 | feydreva | I read on the mailing list Tomorrow's U-Boot is recommended. Current U-Boot has 50% chance per |
| 02:35.26 | feydreva | boot of breaking USB device for the session (including in Linux). (august2nd) Is this still valid ? should I install the u-boot of the 3rd ? |
| 02:35.30 | feydreva | today's |
| 02:38.15 | kgoetz | feydreva: did it specify what tomorrow? |
| 02:38.37 | feydreva | the email was form the 2nd.. so I am guessing the 3nd :) |
| 02:40.00 | kgoetz | guess i'll wait until tonight then |
| 02:40.57 | kgoetz | decides the batery status stuff is quite broken atm |
| 02:41.58 | feydreva | anybody has a link to download the ASU ? :) |
| 02:42.45 | linuxxee | so does it matter what ,jffs2 file we use with that kernel? |
| 02:43.44 | feydreva | you wand a recent kernel, and whatever rootfs.. |
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| 02:44.16 | linuxxee | so i can leave the .jffs2 file on there |
| 02:44.31 | linuxxee | an just flash the kernel |
| 02:44.38 | feydreva | yep |
| 02:44.42 | linuxxee | ok |
| 02:45.00 | feydreva | i jsut did that, and it works |
| 02:45.36 | linuxxee | ok |
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| 02:55.06 | orzo | is the usb port 1.0, 1.1, or 2.0 ? |
| 02:55.23 | orzo | is bluetooth faster than usb for the neo or vice versa? |
| 02:57.12 | torindel | orzo: either 1.0 or 1.1 |
| 02:57.21 | orzo | gta01v4 |
| 02:57.33 | torindel | (its not usb 2.0 :/) |
| 02:57.46 | orzo | well 1.1 should still give me 1k/s |
| 02:57.50 | orzo | approx |
| 02:58.00 | orzo | my bluetooth test was around 200k/s |
| 02:58.03 | orzo | er |
| 02:58.10 | orzo | i said that wrong |
| 02:58.23 | orzo | approximate 1M/s usb 1.1 |
| 02:58.36 | orzo | 12Mbs |
| 02:58.40 | feydreva | the buildhost just made image for GT01 last past 3days... Where can i find images of the rootfs for GT02 ? |
| 03:05.10 | rwhitby | feydreva: same place |
| 03:05.22 | orzo | usb gave me 635k/s to bluetooth's 203k/s |
| 03:05.30 | orzo | guess usb is faster |
| 03:05.59 | feydreva | hum... i haven;t see anything in http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200808/20080803/ |
| 03:06.42 | orzo | feydeya, based on prior chat i saw here, look for an image with a .summary extension and look possibly on later pages than the first |
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| 03:09.42 | feydreva | hummm |
| 03:10.31 | linuxxee | Opening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000... |
| 03:10.31 | linuxxee | Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... |
| 03:10.31 | linuxxee | Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0 |
| 03:10.31 | linuxxee | Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request... |
| 03:10.31 | linuxxee | Resetting USB... |
| 03:10.32 | linuxxee | Opening USB Device... |
| 03:10.34 | linuxxee | No such Alternate Setting: "altsetting" |
| 03:10.36 | linuxxee | wups |
| 03:10.57 | linuxxee | wat does that mean |
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| 03:12.28 | feydreva | did you try with sudo ? |
| 03:12.32 | feydreva | or beeing root |
| 03:12.49 | fuzzyt | Do you have another usb device hooked up? |
| 03:13.10 | fuzzyt | I get similar results with a d-link blue tooth adapter. |
| 03:13.43 | linuxxee | ok |
| 03:14.07 | linuxxee | was su |
| 03:14.14 | linuxxee | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.51 | feydreva | :) |
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| 03:17.52 | linuxxee | i sa w boots |
| 03:20.54 | varikin | what is ASU? |
| 03:21.31 | linuxxee | the kernel above |
| 03:21.44 | linuxxee | http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.24+gitr62+855f715f8568a50391d1526ab2954925c08dab79-r4-om-gta02.bin |
| 03:22.04 | varikin | thanks |
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| 03:22.50 | feydreva | linuxxee, does that work ? |
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| 03:24.44 | linuxxee | yup[ |
| 03:25.26 | feydreva | hum with tis new kernl.. my gps stil doesn't work very good |
| 03:25.50 | feydreva | whatever kernel I put, I have a fix time between 5 minutes and no fix.. |
| 03:25.57 | kgoetz | :( |
| 03:26.18 | linuxxee | well it booted anyways |
| 03:26.23 | feydreva | I got 1minutes 32 secondes if I remove the sd card... |
| 03:26.38 | feydreva | I guess I need to do more test with that |
| 03:26.50 | kgoetz | sure you have the updated kernel? |
| 03:27.11 | linuxxee | i saw boots where before i didnt |
| 03:27.40 | linuxxee | does we get a pair of boots with the kernel? |
| 03:27.53 | feydreva | I had the kernel of july 30th before, and now I have the one abraxa_ gave |
| 03:27.53 | linuxxee | uname -a |
| 03:28.02 | linuxxee | mee too |
| 03:28.17 | linuxxee | i had the original 1 |
| 03:28.36 | feydreva | i m gnna step outside.... smoke a cigarette, and do some gps tests.. |
| 03:28.39 | linuxxee | can i kill the tem file? |
| 03:28.54 | feydreva | ?? |
| 03:29.04 | linuxxee | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.16 | linuxxee | rm -rf /tmp/* |
| 03:29.38 | feydreva | the tmp fodler is clreaed at each reboot anywya |
| 03:29.50 | linuxxee | okk |
| 03:30.09 | linuxxee | my aux button is red |
| 03:30.12 | linuxxee | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.44 | linuxxee | staying on |
| 03:30.54 | abraxa_ | linuxxee: If it's your blood then yes |
| 03:31.17 | linuxxee | it didnt before at all |
| 03:31.44 | abraxa_ | I wouldn't worry about it and ask alphaone later |
| 03:34.28 | linuxxee | thats gonna suck the juice |
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| 03:37.07 | stevenS1 | linuxee: it shuts off when the phone goes to suspend |
| 03:51.16 | linuxxee | it didnt come back on after reboot |
| 03:51.59 | linuxxee | the gps is working fine i think i registered 3 mpk swinging my arm |
| 03:52.11 | linuxxee | mph* |
| 03:52.28 | linuxxee | showed where im at |
| 03:53.28 | linuxxee | so which rootfs u got? |
| 03:54.05 | linuxxee | i think i recieved the opkg upgrade just before i flashed |
| 03:54.17 | linuxxee | not certain though |
| 03:55.14 | linuxxee | maybe u need the rootfs |
| 03:56.15 | linuxxee | opkg upgrade then flash the kernel again see if that fixes the gps software |
| 03:56.36 | linuxxee | i could be all wet though |
| 03:57.17 | linuxxee | stevenS 1 wat does that light signel? |
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| 04:00.37 | linuxxee | 2.6.24 #1 PREMPT SUN |
| 04:02.53 | linuxxee | NOW I NEED WIFI |
| 04:02.59 | linuxxee | sorry |
| 04:04.30 | linuxxee | too bad we didn't get a green laser with the neo ~ |
| 04:04.42 | feydreva | i received a red laser |
| 04:04.49 | feydreva | i didn;t know they were some red laser :P |
| 04:04.53 | feydreva | green |
| 04:05.08 | linuxxee | y burns ballons |
| 04:05.19 | orzo | should the sd card be formatted jffs2, or is that a bad idea? |
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| 04:05.49 | torindel | orzo: get ext2 |
| 04:05.56 | linuxxee | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeMpdiDZ1iI |
| 04:06.34 | feydreva | orospakr, ext2 or ext3 |
| 04:06.56 | torindel | ext2 prefered since it doesnt have journal and kills your sd card slower |
| 04:08.01 | torindel | (sd cards have limited number of writes) |
| 04:08.14 | mmontour | ext3 should be fine as long as the card does wear-levelling. |
| 04:08.50 | feydreva | hum i read on the mailing list, that ext3 would be fatser, (at least at boots up) and since most sd card have wear leveling, it should be OK ... I guess that s a personal choice... |
| 04:08.50 | orzo | well |
| 04:09.02 | orzo | hm |
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| 04:09.45 | torindel | feydreva: it wont be faster, it will be faster only if you dont close moko propertly and you have fsck enabled at bootup |
| 04:10.03 | orzo | well my moko isnt exactly very stable |
| 04:10.03 | linuxxee | might as well get 4 4gb sd cards then |
| 04:10.07 | feydreva | torindel, with the current FSO, there is no Way of closing the moko properly... |
| 04:10.22 | torindel | feydreva: use terminal? |
| 04:10.44 | feydreva | .... it s a freaking phone... |
| 04:10.54 | feydreva | I do not want to use the terminal to shutdown my phone... |
| 04:11.14 | orzo | use zenity |
| 04:11.18 | linuxxee | i had to use halt a couple of times |
| 04:11.32 | kgoetz | its a phone. *embrace* the terminal for shutting it down |
| 04:11.46 | feydreva | at least the ASU, offer you the choice of turgnin off the phone... (sad I cannot download ASU anymore) |
| 04:11.50 | torindel | feydreva: http://www.wklej.org/id/f49322e3b4 |
| 04:11.57 | torindel | then use that |
| 04:12.25 | feydreva | :) |
| 04:12.27 | torindel | you'll have full choice ;] |
| 04:12.33 | feydreva | ok :) |
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| 04:13.14 | feydreva | I mean... I think it s stupid, to have to open a terminal, get your stylus, type shutdown -h now with your stylus.. all of that do shutdown your phone... |
| 04:13.15 | torindel | you can add icons for all things you do too often ;] |
| 04:13.28 | torindel | types without stylus |
| 04:13.38 | linuxxee | wats wrong with "halt" |
| 04:13.39 | feydreva | the keuboard is ery small :) |
| 04:14.26 | torindel | feydreva: try typping on it without stylus, also hit: dont let your finger if you dont know what you pressed and wait for zoom to show up |
| 04:14.33 | torindel | hint* |
| 04:14.52 | feydreva | :) |
| 04:15.11 | feydreva | btw torindel any webbrowser in FSO ? :) |
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| 04:15.36 | torindel | normally no, but you can install some |
| 04:15.51 | torindel | theres minimo and that webkit thing |
| 04:16.00 | orzo | it does come with tangogps though, right? |
| 04:16.27 | feydreva | I did add the http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/ into my okpg conf file.. but the openmoko-browser2 is not there, and minimo is not there too... |
| 04:16.39 | feydreva | orzo, yes it comes with tango |
| 04:17.08 | torindel | feydreva: build packages yourself, or get someone who does ;] |
| 04:17.14 | feydreva | :) |
| 04:17.44 | feydreva | i like using repository that already exist :) |
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| 04:18.12 | feydreva | I need to find how to build my package myself I guess... |
| 04:18.36 | Guilt | here is a question; everytime someone calls me, my phone only vibrates |
| 04:18.38 | Guilt | how do i set it to ring? |
| 04:19.57 | kgoetz | Guilt: iirc /etc/pulse/something |
| 04:20.13 | Guilt | kgoetz: does it always only vibrate by default? |
| 04:20.18 | rooly | Guilt, i lose sound when my phone goes into standby |
| 04:20.29 | Guilt | yeah. same case here |
| 04:20.30 | kgoetz | Guilt: no, it doesnt |
| 04:20.43 | kgoetz | rooly: good point. quite a few people haec said that |
| 04:21.10 | Guilt | yu |
| 04:21.11 | rooly | but it usually comes back after random events |
| 04:21.16 | rooly | still pinpointing it |
| 04:21.17 | Guilt | this is so friggin bad. |
| 04:21.24 | Guilt | because i shouldnt be losing sound. |
| 04:21.42 | Guilt | it's so important to get decent calls, right. after all, a phone is a phone. |
| 04:21.47 | feydreva | Guilt, I had the same problem with the 2007.2 version.... since I haven;t find any answer on how to make it ring, I switched to FSO.... and it rings now |
| 04:21.57 | Guilt | FSO huh? |
| 04:22.02 | rooly | Guilt, that's the idea they've tried to discourage |
| 04:22.08 | linuxxee | im under the impression that alsa pretty much sucks |
| 04:22.10 | rooly | it's a computer that makes calls |
| 04:22.20 | kgoetz | linuxxee: why? |
| 04:22.27 | rooly | not a phone that lets you use a compiler |
| 04:22.32 | linuxxee | it messes up alot |
| 04:22.41 | linuxxee | just stops |
| 04:23.00 | rooly | should make an x-server restartifier |
| 04:23.02 | rooly | icon that is |
| 04:23.41 | Guilt | linuxxee: it's not just alsa. it's the whole thing |
| 04:23.53 | linuxxee | maybe just config problems but one would think since there is only one hardware set it would be working |
| 04:23.54 | Guilt | it's all in pieces, not a whole coherent model |
| 04:24.05 | Guilt | that may be l33t, but it's not usable. |
| 04:24.31 | linuxxee | ok |
| 04:24.45 | kgoetz | Guilt: cry me a river ... |
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| 04:25.41 | roh | linuxxee alsa may be buggy here and there.. but thats not a reason that it would suck... and compared to the api and features of oss (and especially the quality of drivers), ill prefer it any day |
| 04:25.41 | Guilt | kgoetz: why should I? |
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| 04:25.48 | Guilt | i can sue FIC/Openmoko |
| 04:25.59 | Guilt | and then let's see who cries |
| 04:26.14 | kgoetz | you can sue anyone, who you can win against is another matter ... |
| 04:26.25 | Guilt | kgoetz: it's not hard to win these things |
| 04:26.25 | rooly | so sue me! |
| 04:26.26 | Guilt | they got their money. it's time they paid back. |
| 04:26.30 | roh | Guilt you can? on what grounds... remember that om isnt even a us or european company |
| 04:26.31 | Guilt | ;p |
| 04:26.49 | Guilt | well. if they want to sell in USA, i'm sure they'd have a legal license |
| 04:27.00 | roh | licence? to sell? |
| 04:27.02 | roh | wtf? |
| 04:27.06 | rooly | only thing they need is ftc approval |
| 04:27.19 | Guilt | if one person can even shut down completely their ops in USA, that would count ;) |
| 04:27.26 | rooly | sighs |
| 04:27.29 | rooly | there's no US operation |
| 04:27.31 | roh | rooly ftc? dunno about that.. fcc is important.. the rest not. who sells it also is irrelevant |
| 04:27.53 | Guilt | let's see. these things are NOT hard, i'm telling you. |
| 04:27.56 | rooly | ftc = federal trade commision, aka who buys and sells in the country |
| 04:28.02 | linuxxee | i wanna sell some freerunners:) |
| 04:28.08 | Guilt | nobody gets away with this. |
| 04:28.15 | orzo | they should make an actual phone |
| 04:28.20 | kgoetz | gets away with what? :| |
| 04:28.24 | orzo | that lets you use a computer |
| 04:28.36 | linuxxee | wth |
| 04:28.38 | rooly | fcc = federal communications commission, aka, thought police |
| 04:29.27 | roh | rooly well.. yeah.. i-'ve onlyhandled the technical aspects of the webshop, but be assured, it is PAIN selling either in the us or europe yourself. sucks. adds hassle.. needs one to tackle shit which has nothing to doi with building a phone, but more with hammering your head with walls of tax-literature |
| 04:30.17 | linuxxee | this is a development modle that was stated up front so calm down |
| 04:30.34 | Guilt | most important is all the maketing that's put through. if you're hinting you're selling a phone, :-) you'd better sell a phone. |
| 04:30.45 | rooly | sighs |
| 04:30.54 | linuxxee | whiner |
| 04:31.01 | Guilt | linuxxee: loser ;) |
| 04:31.15 | rooly | heh, my phone works just fine |
| 04:31.17 | linuxxee | i LIKE my freerunner |
| 04:31.20 | rooly | ditto |
| 04:31.34 | kgoetz | does work and leaves the troll to feed |
| 04:31.35 | linuxxee | guilt sell it on ebay PLEASE |
| 04:31.48 | roh | Guilt its sad you expected a fully working phone, but to be fair, thats not what was advertised. |
| 04:31.53 | linuxxee | i will list it for u |
| 04:31.53 | Guilt | rooly: good for you. except a. the battery discharges fast until power management is on and b. the sound doesnt work if the power management is on |
| 04:31.58 | linuxxee | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.58 | Guilt | which makes it really unusable. |
| 04:32.08 | rooly | works fine for me, Guilt |
| 04:32.14 | Guilt | roh: just a working phone, not just the works. |
| 04:32.14 | rooly | it does everything i expect of it |
| 04:32.17 | roh | Guilt and since you could even run the software in a emulator on your pc before buying you should have known the state it is in.. not done yet. |
| 04:32.28 | linuxxee | maybe u got a bad battery |
| 04:32.36 | Guilt | rooly: power management doesnt work the same way like it does here. |
| 04:32.42 | linuxxee | i bought 3 an 1 was bad |
| 04:32.42 | pea | heh, this pratter reminds me of 2.0.2x kernel days and insconsistant dancing gerbil web pages. \o/ |
| 04:33.04 | rooly | err, power management works just like i expect it to as well |
| 04:33.04 | linuxxee | thats it guilt kickem a little |
| 04:33.17 | Guilt | rooly: what image works for u? |
| 04:33.25 | rooly | using the latest 2007.2 |
| 04:33.26 | linuxxee | ill help HEEEEEAAAA get up |
| 04:33.29 | rooly | updated today |
| 04:33.39 | Guilt | the one yesterday doesnt work? |
| 04:33.48 | rooly | didn't update yesterday |
| 04:33.51 | feydreva | torindel, hum I tried adding the file shudown.desktop, it did'nt work... |
| 04:33.53 | Guilt | i am using the one on 20080801 |
| 04:34.02 | Guilt | and for no reason, sound doesnt work on resume/ |
| 04:34.20 | mmontour | Guilt: look at moko.mwester.net - there's a tip there about fixing pulseaudio's suspend/resume behaviour. But I agree with the others, if you're that unhappy then just sell your FR |
| 04:34.22 | rooly | guilt, the phone was never advertised to be finished and fully working |
| 04:34.24 | Guilt | i havent seen the patches yet. but i thought it was supposed to. |
| 04:34.29 | roh | battery runs about 5-8h when only blanking the display. the phone needs to suspend to memory (as every smartphone does) to get longer runtimes. and it does (besides some bugs) |
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| 04:34.40 | Guilt | mmontour: thanks |
| 04:34.47 | linuxxee | i did too an then flashed to this |
| 04:34.50 | linuxxee | http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.24+gitr62+855f715f8568a50391d1526ab2954925c08dab79-r4-om-gta02.bin |
| 04:35.12 | linuxxee | gps works now |
| 04:35.42 | roh | actually 5-8h with gps on all the time here ;) |
| 04:35.55 | Guilt | linuxxee: is there an indicator of maximum bat capacity? |
| 04:36.03 | linuxxee | did opkg upgrade then flashed to this kernel |
| 04:36.05 | feydreva | about the suspend thing... did you read and tried : http://moko.mwester.net/gtk.html |
| 04:36.06 | roh | should do 1-2 days of regular usage as a phone when the software is complete |
| 04:36.09 | Guilt | there is none i see in /proc or /sys in terms of mAh |
| 04:36.38 | Guilt | feydreva: ja. |
| 04:36.45 | roh | Guilt /sys/class/power something.. theres a bat0/ and then the variables reported by the battery |
| 04:36.58 | linuxxee | im gonna do a trip |
| 04:36.59 | Guilt | linuxxee: if there is a defective bat, i can ask my retailer to give me a new on |
| 04:37.05 | roh | standard linux 2.6 power class interface |
| 04:37.10 | Guilt | can you guys post ur max capacity/current capacity ? |
| 04:37.44 | roh | Guilt please be aware that the values are raw from the device.. doesnt neccessarily be mAh .. need to check that |
| 04:38.32 | linuxxee | both my good ones showed a batt cap. of green bar all the way to the top an the bad battery only went to 3/4 capacity an was noticebly warm |
| 04:38.52 | linuxxee | after 1 hour charge time |
| 04:39.15 | rooly | btw guys, what does the red led mean when charging? |
| 04:39.45 | roh | linuxxee when charging with the 1/2A charger instead of usb the battery can get hand-warm.. should not get 'hot' |
| 04:40.06 | roh | hot means you want to pull away your hand when touching it continuesly for some seconds |
| 04:40.34 | linuxxee | well the good pair dont heat up as much |
| 04:40.40 | Guilt | linuxxee: it says my battery is charged to like 85% odd |
| 04:40.55 | Guilt | but, it discharges quickly |
| 04:41.02 | linuxxee | it could be defective |
| 04:41.02 | Guilt | with power management disabled. |
| 04:41.07 | Guilt | maybe in 3-4 hrs. |
| 04:41.17 | linuxxee | no gps on? |
| 04:41.25 | Guilt | if i had an exact figure on max capacity/avail capacity, i could ask the retailer. |
| 04:41.33 | Guilt | no gps, no wifi, no bluetooth |
| 04:41.46 | linuxxee | sounds bad |
| 04:41.50 | linuxxee | buy 1 |
| 04:42.01 | linuxxee | u need an extra 1 any |
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| 04:42.05 | linuxxee | way |
| 04:42.21 | linuxxee | find 1 outa a used phone |
| 04:42.22 | Guilt | linuxxee: but i don't need it if i have the standalone charger, right? |
| 04:42.31 | Guilt | like a nokia battery? |
| 04:42.44 | linuxxee | if its bad get rid of it |
| 04:43.00 | Guilt | well. first, i need a replacement, i'm not going to go without it. how much does a bat cost/ |
| 04:43.05 | linuxxee | no need melting thr freerunner |
| 04:43.24 | kgoetz | Guilt: $15~ |
| 04:43.53 | Guilt | are FiC batteries defective? |
| 04:43.56 | feydreva | each time I do a opkg -test upgrade, i get a segmentation fault, and you ? and how to correct that ? |
| 04:44.22 | kgoetz | feydreva: i dont have that. |
| 04:44.30 | feydreva | hum |
| 04:44.42 | linuxxee | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.58 | feydreva | kgoetz, what rootfs do you use |
| 04:45.00 | feydreva | ? |
| 04:45.28 | linuxxee | /etc/version? |
| 04:45.30 | kgoetz | feydreva: Openmoko-Freerunner-20080424-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 + updates |
| 04:45.42 | feydreva | k |
| 04:46.29 | orzo | everyone i talk to on the neo complains about a very bad echo |
| 04:46.45 | orzo | i dont really want to use a headset |
| 04:46.48 | cjb | orzo: funny, I've never had that problem |
| 04:46.56 | orzo | really |
| 04:46.56 | cjb | although I've read other people have it |
| 04:47.07 | cjb | yeah, I don't know if the people I talk to are just really polite |
| 04:47.10 | orzo | maybe your friends are just too polite to gripe |
| 04:47.18 | cjb | I'm like "how's the voice quality" and they say "great" |
| 04:47.20 | cjb | right :) |
| 04:47.37 | orzo | well something needs to be done about it |
| 04:47.40 | orzo | it sucks |
| 04:47.48 | rooly | i get mixed results depending on the antenna's connection quality |
| 04:48.01 | cjb | yeah, I think the problem is related to transmit power |
| 04:48.08 | orzo | well i figure it is becdause the mic is picking up the speaker |
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| 04:48.16 | cjb | you're supposed to modulate transmit power depending on the proximity to the base station or something |
| 04:48.30 | cjb | I'm not sure, there were some confusing threads about it |
| 04:48.51 | orzo | so even if i used a headset it would happen? |
| 04:48.59 | mmontour | cjb: the transmit power is related to the buzzing noise that some people get. AFAIK it has no effect on the echo. |
| 04:49.04 | torindel | cjb: check wiki there was something about that, you can fix that in alsamixer, but it'll get back after some time anyway |
| 04:49.26 | cjb | mmontour: ah, so. |
| 04:49.42 | cjb | orzo: sounds like it would be fixed with a headset |
| 04:50.20 | orzo | ok |
| 04:50.26 | orzo | well the phone should be usable without a headset |
| 04:50.29 | rooly | anyone know of any bluetooth aps? |
| 04:50.37 | rooly | or will i have to make one |
| 04:51.15 | orzo | is it possible to filter what we transmit to cancel what we output via the earpiece? |
| 04:51.54 | rooly | sure it is. creative does it in their hardware |
| 04:52.03 | torindel | cjb, orzo: check this: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1322 |
| 04:52.39 | cjb | huh |
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| 04:52.46 | torindel | try muting "Amp Stat" in alsamixer before calling |
| 04:53.09 | torindel | just keep in mind it can unmute by itself after some time |
| 04:53.34 | Guilt | linuxxee: can you paste me this output: for i in /sys/class/power_supply/bat/* ; do echo $i\:; cat $i; done |
| 04:53.49 | Guilt | as a pastebin file? i can check and ask my retailer for a bat replacement. |
| 04:55.24 | mmontour | orzo: it might be possible to do echo cancellation. However this would require routing the audio through the ADC/DAC so that you could process it from Linux. This would add some latency to the conversation (not sure how much) |
| 04:56.13 | feydreva | Guilt, the command you asked linuxee to run.... what does that do ? |
| 04:56.46 | feydreva | Guilt, my FR is connected to the PC, and it says status, not charging... but the battery is not full :/ |
| 04:57.03 | orzo | what does apm say? |
| 04:57.23 | orzo | is it a windows pc? |
| 04:57.33 | orzo | you realize that you have to do something special in that case |
| 04:57.34 | feydreva | debian : |
| 04:57.39 | feydreva | spam... |
| 04:57.43 | feydreva | 100 |
| 04:57.43 | feydreva | 1216656 |
| 04:57.57 | Guilt | feydreva: it just lists the contents. |
| 04:58.05 | Guilt | and rest too, pastebin your outputs |
| 04:58.11 | feydreva | 12750 |
| 04:58.13 | Guilt | i want to verify the max capacity, etc. |
| 04:58.13 | feydreva | cat: read error: Is a directory |
| 04:58.15 | feydreva | 1 |
| 04:58.17 | feydreva | cat: read error: Is a directory |
| 04:58.19 | feydreva | 1 |
| 04:58.21 | feydreva | Not charging |
| 04:58.25 | feydreva | cat: read error: Is a directory |
| 04:58.27 | feydreva | Li-ion |
| 04:58.29 | feydreva | 308 |
| 04:58.31 | feydreva | 359580 |
| 04:58.33 | feydreva | 3932100 |
| 04:58.35 | feydreva | Battery |
| 04:58.36 | Guilt | feydreva: don't post it here, oooooooh. |
| 04:58.37 | feydreva | POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=bat |
| 04:58.38 | mmontour | ~pastebin |
| 04:58.39 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 04:58.39 | feydreva | POWER_SUPPLY_TYPE=Battery |
| 04:58.40 | Guilt | pastebin. |
| 04:58.41 | feydreva | POWER_SUPPLY_STATUS=Not charging |
| 04:58.43 | feydreva | POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_NOW=4171000 |
| 04:58.45 | feydreva | POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=12750 |
| 04:58.47 | feydreva | POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=1216656 |
| 04:58.47 | kgoetz | :\ |
| 04:58.49 | feydreva | POWER_SUPPLY_TEMP=308 |
| 04:58.51 | feydreva | POWER_SUPPLY_TECHNOLOGY=Li-ion |
| 04:58.55 | feydreva | POWER_SUPPLY_PRESENT=1 |
| 04:58.58 | feydreva | POWER_SUPPLY_TIME_TO_EMPTY_NOW=359580 |
| 04:58.59 | feydreva | POWER_SUPPLY_TIME_TO_FULL_NOW=3932100 |
| 04:59.01 | feydreva | POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY=100 |
| 04:59.03 | feydreva | POWER_SUPPLY_ONLINE=1 |
| 04:59.05 | feydreva | 4171000 |
| 04:59.09 | neldoreth | feydreva: stop pls :> |
| 04:59.20 | Guilt | he just ctrl-C/-Ved |
| 04:59.25 | Guilt | i guess that's automatic |
| 04:59.33 | feydreva | soory I didn;t know about pastebin :/. |
| 04:59.36 | rooly | runs the script |
| 05:00.34 | feydreva | http://pastebin.com/m6cd09a2f |
| 05:00.42 | feydreva | ^_^ |
| 05:00.46 | rooly | http://irrlichtirc.g0dsoft.com/paste/134 |
| 05:02.03 | torindel | feydreva: you also might want to get wgetpaste script ;] |
| 05:02.50 | feydreva | i m looking at that :) |
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| 05:04.14 | Guilt | for me it's 1128477. shit. my bat is defective by 10% |
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| 05:05.07 | Guilt | feydreva: you seem to be having a +1maH battery ;) |
| 05:05.14 | feydreva | :) |
| 05:05.26 | Guilt | lol. i wonder why it's hard to make batteries that consistent |
| 05:05.29 | feydreva | but a battery that is not charging :/ |
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| 05:06.03 | torindel | plug normal charger |
| 05:06.19 | torindel | wait a while and check again |
| 05:06.30 | feydreva | normal charger seems to work.. |
| 05:06.36 | rooly | my charge full is 1163463 |
| 05:06.46 | feydreva | but I thought the usb cable would charge my phone too |
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| 05:07.09 | torindel | rooly: mine is 1182027 |
| 05:07.11 | Guilt | something is busted with mine. |
| 05:07.13 | kgoetz | there was an update a few days ago that killed it. should be working again now |
| 05:07.23 | Guilt | to empty now is 10230 and to full now is 393blah |
| 05:07.24 | Guilt | grrr |
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| 05:07.53 | torindel | rooly: also keep in mind its lion battery |
| 05:08.46 | Guilt | okay. it looks alright. |
| 05:09.01 | roh | usb connection only charges if the computer is on and allows it pulling 500mA |
| 05:09.04 | Guilt | torindel: isn't there a way to print current charge capacity? |
| 05:09.08 | Guilt | at 100% |
| 05:09.42 | roh | usb includes a handshake where devices ask for power and get it only when there is enough left in the budget of the port (or portgroup) |
| 05:09.55 | roh | e.g. my thinkpad has 3 usb ports.. one on the left and 2 on the right. |
| 05:09.57 | Guilt | e.x., by dell battery: |
| 05:09.57 | Guilt | POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN=7800000 |
| 05:09.57 | Guilt | POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=5713000 |
| 05:10.28 | roh | only one of the 2 on the right side can be used in 500mA mode and the left one can always give 500mA |
| 05:10.33 | kgoetz | 'apm' tell syou battery status |
| 05:10.51 | Guilt | wait. it's 12mAH, right? ;D |
| 05:10.52 | rooly | well |
| 05:10.58 | Guilt | and mine is only 11 mAH. |
| 05:11.02 | Guilt | where did that 1 go? |
| 05:11.04 | Guilt | :-) |
| 05:11.11 | roh | means if i already have a external hdd without its own psu plugged, i'll eat the 500mA and the neo only will get 100 or so from the host. |
| 05:11.20 | roh | so i plug it on the left side always |
| 05:11.29 | Guilt | so mine is effectively only 92% of it's intended capacity. |
| 05:11.32 | Guilt | slasps FIC |
| 05:11.53 | roh | Guilt the battery is speced at 1200mAh total capacity |
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| 05:12.05 | kd8ikt | what'd i miss |
| 05:12.14 | Rakshasa | roh: lucky you, I got only one 500mA port on my HP laptop =P |
| 05:12.38 | Guilt | jah. roh: http://irrlichtirc.g0dsoft.com/paste/134 |
| 05:12.46 | linuxxee | did u charge it fully before the initial use? hahahahahaha |
| 05:13.15 | linuxxee | or did u plug it in an turn it on? |
| 05:13.17 | Guilt | if you have it as: POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=1163463 |
| 05:13.28 | Guilt | it means, that's max what the battery can take. |
| 05:13.35 | feydreva | hum... if I change usb port... it works (menaing status=charging) |
| 05:13.51 | Guilt | there isn't a POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN, but it should be 1200000 |
| 05:13.56 | feydreva | I guess some usb prot allows to draw currents, some other do not.. (I have a T60, and there is 3 usb port) |
| 05:13.56 | roh | 1163463 -> 1163.xxx mAh |
| 05:14.06 | Guilt | and linuxxee yeah i did |
| 05:14.07 | Guilt | ;p |
| 05:14.26 | Guilt | yeah. it should be 1200, look at feydreva's |
| 05:14.37 | roh | feydreva all ports allow.. but the '2 ports together' are often only wired on one overcurrent measurement domain |
| 05:14.38 | Guilt | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.49 | Guilt | that's ^ his value. |
| 05:14.50 | feydreva | ok |
| 05:14.55 | Guilt | are we getting ripped off? ;p |
| 05:15.01 | torindel | Guilt: i said its lion battery |
| 05:15.18 | rooly | hey, all you guys log onto tangogps and show off your locations |
| 05:15.23 | Guilt | well. does that mean it's unpredictable? ;) |
| 05:15.52 | torindel | Guilt: i.e. it should be charged and keep constant at about 50-60% if you dont want it to lose capacity |
| 05:15.56 | kgoetz | rooly: i'm a bit sus on tangogps. i enabled 'friends only' and had a screen fuill off little dots - wtf. |
| 05:16.05 | roh | Guilt not really.. thats within manufacturing tolerance i would guess.. also that value is not calibrated and it could take a few cycles to have the coloumb-counter (the circuit inside the battery) has swung itself in. |
| 05:16.27 | torindel | if you fully charge/discharge it and leave it as is it will lose capacity |
| 05:16.48 | roh | its not a 'exact electron counter' and also doesnt know how full the battery is when it gets soldered. thus it needs some cycles to 'learn' |
| 05:17.16 | Guilt | roh: feydreva's or mine/rooly ? |
| 05:17.26 | feydreva | both :) |
| 05:17.29 | rooly | lol kgoetz |
| 05:17.36 | feydreva | I went once to full discharge.... |
| 05:17.39 | Guilt | 1216656 is more around 1200000 than 116blah |
| 05:17.43 | rooly | downloaded the latest tarball from the tangogps site |
| 05:17.47 | feydreva | and back to full charge jsut after |
| 05:17.50 | rooly | works much better now |
| 05:18.00 | rooly | but for some reason, it won't start from the application launger |
| 05:18.02 | rooly | *launcher |
| 05:18.34 | linuxxee | guilt does your phone work? |
| 05:18.49 | Guilt | linuxxee: like how? |
| 05:18.53 | Rakshasa | torindel: That's one of the things I found very hard to remember when I first moved from using NiMH batteries to using Li-ion. I guess half of the instructions for charging li-ion are still copy-pasted from Ni-MH instruction. |
| 05:18.55 | linuxxee | dial out |
| 05:19.00 | Guilt | yeah. it does |
| 05:19.04 | linuxxee | recieve a call etc |
| 05:19.15 | Guilt | i miss a lot of calls because of power management |
| 05:19.37 | Guilt | i'm in the next room, it only vibrates. i need to apply this guy's fix |
| 05:19.44 | torindel | also lion batteries dont like high temperatures and lose capacity then |
| 05:20.17 | roh | Rakshasa hrhr... i hope not... li-ion and li-poly stuff is really tricky to charge, compared to ni-mh ni-cd and pb stuff |
| 05:20.20 | linuxxee | buy a good go phone for 15 bucks an use it when u break down put your sim in the gophone |
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| 05:22.18 | linuxxee | i plug into the wall charger an the red light goes off |
| 05:22.26 | Guilt | linuxxee: it's one of those reasons i've deferred buying another phone: to get this guy usable. |
| 05:22.45 | linuxxee | maybe i need to switch usb ports |
| 05:22.50 | Guilt | if i had just chosen, i'd be one of those iPhone/Nokia fellas |
| 05:23.22 | linuxxee | i guess money is no obsticle for u then |
| 05:23.38 | Guilt | it's not about money. it's something else. |
| 05:23.44 | linuxxee | u wanna buy some ringtones |
| 05:23.48 | Guilt | i have saven a bit, too ;p |
| 05:23.52 | linuxxee | lol |
| 05:23.55 | Guilt | and i don't buy ringtones ;p |
| 05:23.57 | linuxxee | im a loser |
| 05:24.02 | Guilt | saved* |
| 05:24.18 | Guilt | i just take some mp3s off the net and scp it over ;p |
| 05:24.34 | Guilt | Index+of+mp3 |
| 05:24.35 | Guilt | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.36 | linuxxee | how to snip it with command line? |
| 05:25.46 | beni_ | morning |
| 05:26.04 | Guilt | linuxxee: write a perl script ;) |
| 05:26.05 | beni_ | i tested tangogps yesterday and got some noise, is that normal? |
| 05:26.11 | beni_ | i even get it with SD-card removed |
| 05:26.26 | beni_ | is this something to worry about? |
| 05:27.17 | undrwater | anyone ever get "registration denied" message from SIM card? |
| 05:27.27 | Guilt | :o\ |
| 05:27.46 | linuxxee | wats your siim # |
| 05:27.51 | kgoetz | undrwater: i havent, but i know others havce |
| 05:27.56 | cjb | undrwater: yes, with AT&T |
| 05:28.09 | undrwater | cjb: any resolution? |
| 05:28.17 | linuxxee | sim number |
| 05:28.40 | linuxxee | 71234 O works |
| 05:28.50 | torindel | beni_: dont forget abouut ssignaal reflections from buildings etc |
| 05:28.51 | cjb | undrwater: not really. try a different SIM, try rebooting a few times. |
| 05:29.04 | linuxxee | 71234 G they sent me shorts out on the tab |
| 05:29.06 | mmontour | beni_: there will always be _some_ noise. What was the magnitude of the problem? |
| 05:29.28 | undrwater | i've got 71234G |
| 05:29.38 | undrwater | who do i ask? |
| 05:29.52 | linuxxee | look at it a see if it the brass colored contacts are offset to one side |
| 05:29.55 | torindel | beni_: also dont forget how gps antena is placed in fr |
| 05:30.20 | undrwater | i was at the store yesterday...they didn't give me the impression that i could keep trying new cards |
| 05:30.33 | cjb | undrwater: it worked okay for me |
| 05:30.42 | cjb | I explained that the cards they had had different letters after the 71234 |
| 05:30.46 | cjb | and they looked at it was true |
| 05:30.52 | cjb | and they let me try another one without charging me for it |
| 05:30.59 | linuxxee | put it in the holder a look at the bent tabs an see if the tab is contacting the brass colored contact |
| 05:31.00 | cjb | but it didn't help so much :( |
| 05:31.45 | kd8ikt | anyone mess with mesh adhoc networking? |
| 05:31.51 | linuxxee | i bet it shorts on the tab |
| 05:31.58 | undrwater | cjb: still not registering? |
| 05:32.01 | linuxxee | cjb |
| 05:32.04 | undrwater | linuxxee: i'll take a look |
| 05:32.12 | cjb | undrwater: it works most times, and sometimes requires a reboot |
| 05:32.16 | cjb | or a restart of gsmd/zhone |
| 05:32.28 | kd8ikt | i've been getting a headache messing with olsrd and my openwrt routers |
| 05:32.30 | cjb | once it's registered it stays working |
| 05:32.34 | linuxxee | it needs a sim thats not offset to one side |
| 05:32.52 | linuxxee | one that the contacts are centered on |
| 05:33.37 | linuxxee | they gave me a 71234 O when i went up there |
| 05:33.47 | undrwater | linuxxee: what's the "tab" you're speaking of? |
| 05:33.54 | cjb | I'd love to see photos |
| 05:33.59 | cjb | of a correct SIM and problem SIM |
| 05:34.30 | linuxxee | the holder has 2 tabs holding the sim |
| 05:34.56 | undrwater | linuxxee: just saw what you're talking about |
| 05:35.04 | undrwater | that's crazy |
| 05:35.15 | linuxxee | its touching a contact isnt it |
| 05:35.24 | undrwater | yep |
| 05:35.31 | linuxxee | the sim is a bad manufacture |
| 05:35.42 | undrwater | can i cover it? |
| 05:35.53 | kgoetz | kd8ikt: i havent, but i can point you to people who have |
| 05:35.58 | linuxxee | an i think it may have run my battery down faster |
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| 05:36.24 | linuxxee | no go to a att store an trade it in |
| 05:36.36 | linuxxee | for free |
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| 05:36.45 | undrwater | yeah...i won't go to the mall store |
| 05:36.49 | linuxxee | defective equipment |
| 05:36.58 | undrwater | did you show them your phone? |
| 05:37.15 | linuxxee | yup |
| 05:37.24 | undrwater | they freak out? |
| 05:37.28 | linuxxee | it was not a problem at all |
| 05:37.51 | cjb | I showed it to a guy and said I had an unlocked phone |
| 05:37.58 | cjb | and he was like "oh, is that European?" |
| 05:38.02 | cjb | and I was like "... yeah." |
| 05:38.05 | undrwater | heheheh |
| 05:38.07 | cjb | and then he was very helpful :) |
| 05:38.18 | torindel | any of you tried putting small piece of isolation tape on sim where it short circuts contacts? |
| 05:38.41 | undrwater | what's isolation tape? or just a fancy word? |
| 05:38.49 | cjb | torindel: nope. I'd moved away from thinking that was the problem, since I don't move the SIM inside the phone and yet it works sporadically. |
| 05:38.55 | cjb | undrwater: non-conductive tape. |
| 05:39.06 | linuxxee | i think that since the contacts are all slid over that that is only a temp solution if it even works at all |
| 05:39.10 | undrwater | electrical? |
| 05:39.14 | cjb | yeah |
| 05:39.34 | cjb | usually black |
| 05:39.37 | linuxxee | plus the tab is kinda tight |
| 05:39.50 | undrwater | mine has some play right now |
| 05:40.00 | linuxxee | it will wad up your cheap black tape |
| 05:40.15 | undrwater | :D |
| 05:42.14 | linuxxee | my brkt fell off an it took some time to get it back on properly |
| 05:42.46 | linuxxee | when i had a hold of it with plires |
| 05:43.54 | linuxxee | well? |
| 05:44.06 | linuxxee | taped |
| 05:45.07 | linuxxee | if it was loose it probly made more phone calls than i did |
| 05:48.59 | linuxxee | are u calling now? |
| 05:49.43 | linuxxee | no news is good news |
| 05:50.28 | linuxxee | reboot a couple just so u are shure |
| 05:50.39 | linuxxee | sure$ |
| 05:51.21 | linuxxee | every time i rebooted or changed the battery it would not register |
| 05:51.33 | linuxxee | sometimes all day |
| 05:51.47 | linuxxee | many reboots |
| 05:52.20 | linuxxee | then bang iit would hook up an work untill i rebooted |
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| 05:53.47 | linuxxee | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.47 | linuxxee | i have wpa turned on on the dlink router |
| 05:56.31 | feydreva | i just instaled the today's image of 2007.2..... |
| 05:56.45 | feydreva | ssh do not work anymore ? need to install somehing else ? |
| 05:57.13 | aggtrfrad | can u ping? |
| 05:57.20 | feydreva | and the red light is always on.... |
| 05:57.24 | undrwater | still registering... |
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| 05:58.08 | linuxxee | ping -c 4 www.google.com |
| 05:58.19 | feydreva | my computer sees it dmesg : usb 4-1: Product: RNDIS/Ethernet Gadget |
| 05:58.28 | feydreva | but no network connectoin |
| 05:58.31 | kgoetz | ~qtopia |
| 05:58.32 | apt | qtopia is probably Trolltech's comprehensive application platform for embedded Linux based PDAs, mobile phones, web pads, and other mobile computing devices. Engineered in Brisbane Australia. http://qtopia.net | #qtopia |
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| 05:58.40 | kgoetz | \o/ apt is here |
| 05:58.53 | undrwater | denied |
| 05:59.11 | linuxxee | go to the att store:) |
| 06:00.04 | linuxxee | just get 1 that the contacts are centered on the paper an all will be well i think |
| 06:00.33 | undrwater | will do...already looking for store(s) in my area |
| 06:00.36 | linuxxee | your contacts are offset to one side --correct? |
| 06:00.40 | undrwater | yep |
| 06:00.52 | linuxxee | thats the problem |
| 06:01.14 | linuxxee | they will reregister u to |
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| 06:02.26 | undrwater | reregister? |
| 06:03.05 | linuxxee | hook u up to the new sim |
| 06:03.10 | undrwater | right! |
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| 06:03.26 | undrwater | and i'll be able to use it with my mundane phone? |
| 06:03.35 | linuxxee | yup |
| 06:03.54 | linuxxee | it even worked in a gophone for me |
| 06:04.33 | railer | so which distro is in the lead today? |
| 06:04.42 | undrwater | someone keeping tabs? |
| 06:04.56 | undrwater | linuxxee: thanks for this info, btw! |
| 06:05.23 | linuxxee | np |
| 06:05.26 | torindel | railer: today? -__- |
| 06:05.26 | cjb | railer: it's close between 2007.2 and FSO |
| 06:05.33 | daMaestro | ??? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ |
| 06:05.37 | daMaestro | no qtopia images? |
| 06:05.38 | cjb | FSO does lots of suspend/resumes and I think audio craps out after that |
| 06:05.41 | railer | FSO II killed my dialtone |
| 06:05.48 | linuxxee | i trid to edit the wiki but it got removed |
| 06:06.23 | daMaestro | (i should say asu builds) |
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| 06:08.12 | aggtrfrad | here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrIe0AbTyBY&feature=dir |
| 06:08.29 | undrwater | 2007.2 loses sound after suspend / resume |
| 06:09.05 | linuxxee | ;lol |
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| 06:10.05 | undrwater | cute vid |
| 06:10.06 | beni_ | torindel: i will check the magnitude from the noise the next hours, but i mostly got "horizontal acceleration" about 1-3 kmh, with peaks around 5-6 kmh. Vertical i often have hops between 20-30 meters. |
| 06:10.10 | beni_ | mmontour: |
| 06:10.20 | linuxxee | freerunner saddle an a long lanyard |
| 06:11.09 | linuxxee | my gps seemed to work very well |
| 06:12.36 | linuxxee | proly need to put the maps on an 8 gig sdcard |
| 06:13.13 | torindel | beni_: you should point top of moko to the sky (not the display), and check in area where are no buildings, (also you can try turning off wifi and gsm for tests) |
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| 06:18.09 | beni_ | i will do. but i need to do here at work, so i unfortunately cant have "clean sky". But approx 180° of the sky are without buildings or trees etc. |
| 06:18.25 | beni_ | i run FSO currently, how do i turn of wifi, gsm etc? |
| 06:18.29 | doc|home | so, I'm going to flash my neo again, any new recommendations? |
| 06:18.35 | doc|home | first time in two weeks |
| 06:19.43 | railer | ya I have a question you were satisfied with a distro for 2 weeks? |
| 06:19.58 | railer | which one? |
| 06:20.50 | torindel | beni_: wifi is turned off by default |
| 06:20.53 | beni_ | cool |
| 06:21.28 | torindel | doc|home: get fso milestone2 if you havent seen it |
| 06:21.29 | beni_ | the "satellites" label in tangoGPS, what do the numbers mean? <MAX-Seen>/<Currently-seen>? |
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| 06:22.45 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4736e598747c 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connman] Connman needs libhal to build, make sure it is there |
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| 06:22.59 | doc|home | railer: I wasn't really using it all that much, but qtopia seriously pissed me off today, with not being able to type in numbers when a call was in place leaving me hanging as a tried to top up my credit. Took me about 8 attempts to uses fido's terrible voice based updates |
| 06:24.08 | doc|home | torindel: thanks, mind if I ask for a link to a brief summary of advantages of it over the others? Wasn't seeing much in distribution page |
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| 06:24.54 | torindel | doc|home: look on wiki |
| 06:25.03 | torindel | theres distro comparation |
| 06:25.07 | doc|home | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 06:25.11 | doc|home | and I'm not seeing much |
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| 06:25.48 | railer | try them all |
| 06:25.55 | doc|home | :) |
| 06:25.58 | railer | I just did |
| 06:26.18 | railer | qtopia, FSO II, 2007.2 |
| 06:26.45 | railer | and ASU |
| 06:26.54 | railer | all have good and bad |
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| 06:28.21 | undrwater | is there a u-booot around that can boot from ext3 SD card? |
| 06:28.32 | undrwater | menu item |
| 06:28.46 | doc|home | railer: exactly :/ |
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| 06:29.31 | feydreva | i jsut installed ntp.. how do you configure it so it give the "good" time |
| 06:29.58 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r30c31dae65ae 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connman] Connman needs libhal to build, make sure it is there |
| 06:30.23 | railer | it's not like this will be your last flash, so try them all, play with them for a day and try another |
| 06:31.28 | beni_ | the "satellites" label in tangoGPS, what do the numbers mean? <MAX-Seen>/<Currently-seen>? An what is that number right of it? |
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| 06:32.44 | railer | FSO II looks nice but the phone don't work for me |
| 06:34.24 | doc|home | well that's a bit self-defeating :D |
| 06:34.30 | doc|home | flashing with fso II now |
| 06:35.26 | torindel | railer: i.e.? |
| 06:35.48 | torindel | dialer doesnt start or? |
| 06:35.57 | railer | I'm going back to 2007.2 I think there is a new upgrade, qtopia is the prettiest, torindel ie what? |
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| 06:36.02 | Kero | fso 2 is they only one for which phone works, in the sense that it does not break after a rejected call or something like that; there are problems with too short timeouts on PINs tho. |
| 06:36.27 | doc|home | hmmm, actually, my phone didn't ask me for a pin when I started it up under qtopia |
| 06:36.32 | doc|home | didn't realise that until there |
| 06:37.07 | torindel | railer: i.e. = in example? |
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| 06:37.10 | Kero | make fso-image: ERROR: Build of /home/kero/OM/moko/openembedded/packages/python/python-pyyaml_3.05.bb do_fetch failed |
| 06:37.15 | Kero | beh |
| 06:38.00 | torindel | Kero: get if from for ex. distfiles.gentoo.org and put it by hand into source dir and generate md5 |
| 06:38.05 | railer | now it might just be me but I hang no dial tone and no ringing, just gets phone when picked up |
| 06:39.21 | Kero | torindel: will try (tomorrow, I think, gonna be a busy day) |
| 06:40.07 | railer | I've tried fiddeling with the sim but no difference |
| 06:42.33 | beni_ | FSO II? |
| 06:42.37 | beni_ | where to see that? |
| 06:43.40 | railer | define "where to see that"? |
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| 06:44.01 | doc|home | boots into fso II |
| 06:44.07 | railer | and apm don't work on FOSII |
| 06:44.18 | undrwater | http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=OpenmokoFramework/Status_Update_3 |
| 06:44.20 | doc|home | woah, empty flash at 0x00..... |
| 06:44.28 | doc|home | lots of scrolling of that |
| 06:44.44 | goodwill | doc|home: you probably flashed gta01? |
| 06:44.52 | goodwill | image |
| 06:45.06 | goodwill | i did that by accident, got that |
| 06:45.12 | doc|home | oh arse |
| 06:45.24 | doc|home | weird, I wonder how I managed that, because I did see there were 2 |
| 06:45.35 | beni_ | short question, yesterday i flashed a new uboot and a new kernel; do i need to reflash those if i switch distribution? |
| 06:45.35 | goodwill | the gta02 image is named different |
| 06:45.37 | doc|home | ah, but not on rootfs |
| 06:45.40 | beni_ | or is flashing rootfs enough? |
| 06:45.44 | doc|home | smacks self |
| 06:45.46 | goodwill | has .summary aty the end |
| 06:45.50 | goodwill | no idea why |
| 06:45.53 | ozzloy | my battery appears to not e charging. anyone noticed this behavior? |
| 06:46.26 | doc|home | weird, it booted anyway |
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| 06:46.58 | goodwill | can some one with a default image tell me the content of /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf |
| 06:47.20 | goodwill | doc|home: yeah it boots, jus some thing won't work |
| 06:47.40 | doc|home | nods |
| 06:48.01 | feydreva | beni_, you probably do not need to re flash... |
| 06:48.08 | doc|home | hmmm |
| 06:48.11 | doc|home | do I need openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary ? |
| 06:48.22 | doc|home | there's no jffs2 |
| 06:48.25 | doc|home | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ |
| 06:48.36 | beni_ | doc|home: yes |
| 06:48.37 | feydreva | doc|home, yes that s the one |
| 06:48.38 | alphaone | .summary will work |
| 06:48.43 | rwhitby | beni_: since the kernel is so quick to flash, I always reflash it along with the jffs2, in case the module versions are different. |
| 06:48.54 | doc|home | ok. thanks both |
| 06:48.55 | goodwill | doc|home: the .summary one |
| 06:48.59 | rwhitby | doc|home: .summary is just a faster .jffs2 |
| 06:49.02 | beni_ | but shouldnt the rootfs not hold any kernel info? |
| 06:49.03 | alphaone | Its a processed jffs2 file, speeds up mounting |
| 06:49.04 | rwhitby | (faster to load) |
| 06:49.15 | goodwill | rwhitby: why? |
| 06:49.16 | beni_ | it hought all kernel info is in uimage |
| 06:49.22 | rwhitby | beni_: modular kernel - modules in rootfs must match kernel version |
| 06:49.24 | goodwill | can some one with a default image tell me the content of /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf |
| 06:49.38 | doc|home | rwhitby: faster = good |
| 06:49.48 | rwhitby | goodwill: what is the definition of "default" ? |
| 06:49.51 | feydreva | what the name of the utility for gps testing ? |
| 06:49.55 | beni_ | thougt that modules are inside the uimage stuff |
| 06:49.58 | rwhitby | doc|home: only faster to mount, no other difference |
| 06:50.01 | beni_ | ok, then i reflash kernel as well |
| 06:50.09 | beni_ | if the version is different |
| 06:50.16 | doc|home | rwhitby: faster to flash or boot? |
| 06:50.20 | goodwill | rwhitby: what ever fr has when shipped |
| 06:50.22 | doc|home | thinks flash |
| 06:50.24 | rwhitby | doc|home: boot |
| 06:50.28 | doc|home | ah, even better |
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| 06:50.37 | goodwill | rwhitby: why is it faster to boot? |
| 06:50.48 | rwhitby | goodwill: first google hit for "jffs2 summary" |
| 06:50.57 | feydreva | goodwill, src/gz daily-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all |
| 06:51.15 | goodwill | feydreva: thank you |
| 06:51.20 | kd8ikt | ;D |
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| 06:52.29 | goodwill | rwhitby: nice, thank you |
| 06:54.30 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r49b968c04480 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: |
| 06:54.30 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Use self.curline instead of curline. |
| 06:54.30 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: Patch by torindel@gmail.com, thanks. This fixes #62 |
| 07:00.13 | beni_ | i think, with ASU Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080804-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 is the summary jffs2? |
| 07:00.23 | beni_ | since there is a .nosummary as well? |
| 07:01.14 | railer | anyone know the latest gtk version? or where it is? |
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| 07:03.54 | BlackFog | 'morning |
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| 07:06.14 | doc|home | eh, wtf |
| 07:06.32 | doc|home | fso dimmed, then went into suspend while I was tapping on the screen... |
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| 07:06.53 | railer | doc |
| 07:07.19 | doc|home | yes? |
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| 07:07.28 | railer | I believe in FSO II it can actually tell if you are boring, and will react accordingly |
| 07:07.33 | doc|home | hahaha |
| 07:07.38 | doc|home | fines railer one testicle |
| 07:07.45 | railer | lol |
| 07:07.54 | goodwill | great i get segfault when i try to opkg i get segfault |
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| 07:08.15 | doc|home | and now it has decided it will be picky about when it will and won't pay attention to scrolling requests |
| 07:08.28 | doc|home | yey. E just SEGV'd |
| 07:09.26 | doc|home | ok, fso is fast getting on my nerves |
| 07:10.04 | railer | ya see told ya, but the gps looks great |
| 07:10.30 | doc|home | I'd try it if it'd stop fucking suspending |
| 07:10.35 | doc|home | :) |
| 07:10.50 | railer | you can change it |
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| 07:11.22 | railer | wrench icon, power |
| 07:11.35 | railer | power out might be on 5 seconds |
| 07:12.15 | doc|home | yeah, but that's no good if it means you have 100% power all the time |
| 07:12.25 | doc|home | it's not like it gets when it's actually in use |
| 07:12.41 | railer | well your can adjust it |
| 07:12.47 | railer | or turn it off |
| 07:13.21 | doc|home | I did, it refuses |
| 07:13.25 | railer | how Vancouver? |
| 07:13.32 | doc|home | "you know what, screw yo... *suspend*" |
| 07:13.32 | railer | flash again |
| 07:13.48 | doc|home | I did, this is the correct version |
| 07:14.04 | railer | no something else |
| 07:14.33 | railer | im going back to 2007.2 |
| 07:14.33 | doc|home | yeah |
| 07:14.50 | doc|home | you tried qtopia? |
| 07:15.21 | railer | qtiopa I think is the most stable |
| 07:15.28 | doc|home | and most intuitive |
| 07:15.53 | kd8ikt | i r dual boot |
| 07:16.00 | railer | it actually worked well changed because couldn't add games, or I think I wanted to try FSO II |
| 07:17.21 | doc|home | given sean's "we don't really have any design plans" email to the list, I'm not holding my breath on asu |
| 07:18.10 | railer | you know where the latest 2007.2 is? |
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| 07:18.29 | doc|home | 2007.2 is dead, asu replaced it I think |
| 07:19.01 | railer | seriously? |
| 07:19.25 | railer | then why is it still on the distros? |
| 07:19.30 | doc|home | shrugs |
| 07:19.39 | doc|home | read the sections above that |
| 07:19.57 | Bill_ | ASU will replace it.. |
| 07:19.58 | doc|home | "2007.2 development driven by openmoko inc. has basically stopped and resources are allocated in favor of asu, while the community currently does the effort to 'rescue' the 2007.2 telephony apps and pull them to the future middleware from FSO" |
| 07:20.11 | doc|home | i.e. they're throwing shit at a fan and waiting to see what sticks |
| 07:20.21 | Bill_ | once it stable enough.. or actually.. SHR will.. |
| 07:20.28 | doc|home | heh |
| 07:21.12 | Bill_ | but i think that any kind of usable build of SHR is still at least weeks, if not months, away |
| 07:21.53 | kd8ikt | leans toward months |
| 07:22.06 | goodwill | seems reasonable |
| 07:22.07 | Bill_ | i tend to agree with kd8ikt |
| 07:22.25 | goodwill | fso will take at least a year to mature |
| 07:22.25 | kd8ikt | yeah i have nothing better to do then openmoko crap allday and drink beer |
| 07:22.51 | kd8ikt | this fricken wifi chip has to have monitor/raw mode |
| 07:22.57 | Bill_ | and as we speak of stable releases on current hardware then qtopia is the only one worth mentioning |
| 07:23.10 | kd8ikt | for one its a fricken atheros chip... |
| 07:23.40 | Bill_ | but i had terrible call quality with it.. which i don't get on 2007.2 |
| 07:24.22 | kd8ikt | atheros chips are known to be great (coupled with madwifi) but since this is a bit different ... who knows |
| 07:24.28 | railer | well back to qt then |
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| 07:27.42 | railer | a flashing we shall go ... a flashing we shall go .... |
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| 07:31.52 | doc|home | railer: aye |
| 07:32.16 | doc|home | one problem with qtopia, even at max volume, hard to hear voice |
| 07:32.47 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:33.01 | doc|home | morning |
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| 07:37.30 | railer | back |
| 07:38.07 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r406f48e6ec1d 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred-om-2008-versions] remove bogus SRCREV lines for opkg #1686 |
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| 07:40.41 | GirlRiver | I have just received my freerunner, charged the battery and am attempting to get it to boot .. but it sticks on the starting kernel .... screen .. can anyone help me get it going ? |
| 07:40.48 | railer | see back to utopia got a ring tone back, so it WAS FSO II issure ;P |
| 07:41.05 | El_Senator | GirlRiver: it should boot into the system |
| 07:41.14 | El_Senator | with the 2007.2 release |
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| 07:41.59 | El_Senator | GirlRiver: you might want to reflash it to see if that helps: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 07:42.43 | GirlRiver | El_Senator, yes, it Should .. but this is the first time boot, out of the box .. |
| 07:43.22 | El_Senator | well, hard to diagnose with no further data, but try flashing it with the most recent kernel and rootfs |
| 07:45.07 | doc|home | anyone got any docs for what to do after installing qtopia? I.e. to set up wifi or something gps-y? |
| 07:45.10 | GirlRiver | El_Senator: funny how it works ... it is booting now :-] |
| 07:45.16 | doc|home | maybe even a web browser |
| 07:45.24 | doc|home | GirlRiver: yeah, booting is slow |
| 07:45.24 | El_Senator | GirlRiver: heh, ok :) |
| 07:45.58 | Quai | isnt kernelpanic on the first boot a "known" issue? |
| 07:46.14 | El_Senator | GirlRiver: but you probably want to flash it anyways, to get the latest stuff. You can also just update it over usb-net |
| 07:46.34 | kd8ikt | hey is my webpage back up? http://we.trekbeyond.org? |
| 07:46.42 | railer | qt system info is great |
| 07:47.13 | kd8ikt | had some issues today when i tried fireing up a mesh network |
| 07:47.36 | doc|home | kd8ikt: working here |
| 07:47.41 | kd8ikt | yay |
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| 07:49.29 | railer | trekbeyond worked for me |
| 07:49.51 | railer | anyone every cal out ipv6, talk about over kill |
| 07:52.09 | kd8ikt | ? |
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| 07:54.37 | beni_ | hm in ASU is usb networking off by default? |
| 07:54.54 | beni_ | i had to manually enable it at moko side with todays image |
| 07:54.58 | doc|home | anyone know how to get wifi/gps on qtopia? |
| 07:55.44 | ecraven | doc|home: iwconfig probably? |
| 07:56.07 | ecraven | gps should be there, enable it by echo 1 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/*gps*/pwron |
| 07:56.19 | doc|home | ecraven: any docs on these? :/ |
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| 07:58.00 | ecraven | man iwconfig |
| 07:58.06 | doc|home | hehe |
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| 07:58.13 | ecraven | if you enable the gps, you can read data from /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 07:58.23 | ecraven | if that doesn't exist, google for the appropriate mknod incantation :) |
| 07:58.28 | doc|home | sobs |
| 07:58.29 | doc|home | :) |
| 07:58.49 | ecraven | if you tell me what exactly you want to achieve, i might be able to help |
| 07:59.33 | doc|home | not sure to be honest, not sure what's possible yet. Would be nice to be able to download maps then see a plot of my position, on qtopia |
| 07:59.59 | ecraven | try to install tangogps |
| 07:59.59 | doc|home | looking at the wiki it's hard to tell what's relevant to qtopia |
| 08:00.16 | doc|home | isn't that gtk? |
| 08:00.25 | ecraven | are you on the neo right now? can you try what cat /dev/ttySAC1 gives you? |
| 08:00.36 | ecraven | should be a number of lines starting with $. or nothing at all :) |
| 08:00.46 | doc|home | according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS there seems to be a couple of qtopia gps apps |
| 08:00.48 | doc|home | one sec |
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| 08:01.45 | doc|home | yep, lots of $ prefixed stuff |
| 08:02.03 | ecraven | then you have GPS :) |
| 08:02.10 | doc|home | of some form :) |
| 08:02.17 | ecraven | you only need a gui app to show it to you |
| 08:02.21 | doc|home | right |
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| 08:03.18 | doc|home | peruses http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi |
| 08:03.35 | ecraven | i haven't found a good wlan gui application for any distribution yet :( |
| 08:03.52 | GirlRiver | What is the correct way to boot the neo from power off ? hold power button for 5-6 seconds ? |
| 08:04.33 | beni_ | hm, i think the keyboard from FSO is much more usable. is there a way to get this keyboard into ASU? |
| 08:04.35 | doc|home | there seems to be zero for qtopia, nevermind gui |
| 08:04.47 | doc|home | looks like I have lots of tedius teeny typing ahead of me |
| 08:04.47 | beni_ | GirlRiver: yes |
| 08:05.03 | beni_ | GirlRiver: thats the way to go. |
| 08:05.06 | doc|home | *tedious |
| 08:05.41 | GirlRiver | beni_, I get openmoko splash screen and stays there ? anyway to see what it may not like ? |
| 08:05.47 | ecraven | doc|home: you don't work over ssh? |
| 08:06.04 | doc|home | difficult without wifi :) |
| 08:06.09 | ecraven | usb? |
| 08:06.14 | kd8ikt | i like lint wifi |
| 08:06.19 | doc|home | still means configuring stuff :/ |
| 08:06.29 | kd8ikt | although it still bugged |
| 08:06.32 | ecraven | doc|home: should work out of the box |
| 08:06.36 | doc|home | oh? |
| 08:06.39 | doc|home | for qtopia? |
| 08:07.03 | ecraven | i never tried with qtopia, did you try "ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.200" on your host, and then ping 192.168.1.202" ? |
| 08:07.16 | doc|home | tries |
| 08:07.31 | kd8ikt | GirlRiver: try booting into NAND uboot , press/hold power then aux both together |
| 08:07.37 | beni_ | ecraven: the usb networking usually goes not over eth0 |
| 08:07.39 | beni_ | it is usb0 |
| 08:07.51 | beni_ | `ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.200` should work |
| 08:08.04 | beni_ | GirlRiver: booting takes some time, which image do you have? |
| 08:08.11 | doc|home | ecraven: er, by host you mean the phone? |
| 08:08.25 | kd8ikt | yeah boot can be like 60+ sec |
| 08:08.55 | ecraven | beni_: oh, thanks, my bad |
| 08:09.02 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, yes it does bring up uboot but if sellect boot there it stays on starting kernel... |
| 08:09.10 | ecraven | doc|home: no, your computer, the one that you plug the usb cable from the neo into |
| 08:09.12 | GirlRiver | beni_, original out of the box... |
| 08:09.16 | kd8ikt | huh noshit |
| 08:09.20 | kd8ikt | did you flash something? |
| 08:09.26 | doc|home | ecraven: on that box eth0 is my network card |
| 08:09.28 | ecraven | kd8ikt: cool, didn't know about that yet, looks good |
| 08:09.40 | ecraven | doc|home: yes, look at what beni_ said, usb0, not eth0 |
| 08:09.52 | doc|home | ah, ok, thanks |
| 08:09.58 | railer | anyone know how to see games you have installed using opkg in qt? |
| 08:10.19 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, nothing flashed, clean unboxed today. akthough if I take sim card out, boots up, strange |
| 08:10.28 | doc|home | usb0: unknown interface: No such device |
| 08:10.45 | doc|home | hmmm, ones ec |
| 08:11.02 | kd8ikt | well, make sure its seated correctly, is it a 3g card? |
| 08:11.11 | ecraven | doc|home: what is your system exactly? |
| 08:11.11 | doc|home | I also have a usb sound card which has ethernet |
| 08:11.32 | doc|home | ecraven: gentoo linux, wireless network, usb sound card with ethernet |
| 08:11.38 | doc|home | er, wired network |
| 08:11.46 | ecraven | doc|home: did you build all kernel modules? |
| 08:11.46 | doc|home | that might be hogging usb0 |
| 08:11.51 | ecraven | you need the correct modules for usb0 |
| 08:11.57 | ecraven | eh, usb networking |
| 08:11.58 | doc|home | ecraven: nope, but I think that should be there |
| 08:12.00 | doc|home | looks |
| 08:12.09 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, not that I'm aware off, pretty sure its not even 2.5 |
| 08:12.11 | ecraven | it might be usb1 ;) |
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| 08:12.19 | ecraven | do ifconfig -a to see all interfaces |
| 08:12.40 | doc|home | nada, not compiled on |
| 08:12.50 | doc|home | ok, not arsed recompiling kernel, will sort out wifi via term |
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| 08:13.47 | ecraven | doc|home: ;) recompiling the modules isn't so much work though |
| 08:14.03 | doc|home | yeah, I'm just not arsed because it's only a temporary thing anyway :) |
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| 08:14.47 | ecraven | you could add the incantations to get wifi working into the startup files of the neo |
| 08:14.59 | doc|home | that's the plan |
| 08:15.04 | ecraven | how much power does GPS use? |
| 08:15.13 | ecraven | do you want encryption? |
| 08:15.41 | doc|home | I have wep here (housemate uses windows which he can't update) |
| 08:15.53 | ecraven | oh, you want to connect to an access point? |
| 08:15.58 | quickdev | ecraven, 62 mW |
| 08:16.14 | ecraven | quickdev: how much is that compared to GSM or Wifi? |
| 08:16.17 | doc|home | I'm reading http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi |
| 08:16.35 | doc|home | ecraven: yep |
| 08:16.53 | doc|home | so, er, scroll buttons on vi in the neo terminal anyone? :) |
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| 08:17.20 | ecraven | doc|home: i don't know about qtopia, but /etc/network/* works very well on 2007.2 (does that even exist on qtopia?) |
| 08:17.22 | kd8ikt | lint-wifi needs some overhauling i think |
| 08:17.29 | kd8ikt | far from a perfect complete app |
| 08:17.36 | doc|home | ecraven: it does |
| 08:17.45 | kd8ikt | doesnt feel like touching it anymore |
| 08:17.49 | doc|home | ecraven: if I can only figure out how to scroll up and down :D |
| 08:17.54 | doc|home | stabs vi |
| 08:17.59 | ecraven | doc|home: hehe, use nano! |
| 08:18.09 | doc|home | still need to scroll :/ |
| 08:18.29 | quickdev | ecraven, don't know. Search in the wiki ;) |
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| 08:20.02 | kd8ikt | then again lint wifi does what its supposed to |
| 08:20.43 | doc|home | anyone know how to scroll? :/ |
| 08:21.41 | kd8ikt | hey GirlRiver |
| 08:21.41 | kd8ikt | nooblet |
| 08:22.10 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card |
| 08:22.17 | kd8ikt | http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/ |
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| 08:22.34 | kd8ikt | throw fso on it |
| 08:23.03 | methril | morning |
| 08:24.44 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt: yes |
| 08:24.58 | kd8ikt | ------------^ |
| 08:25.12 | dbmoodb_ | anyone got a voip app working - i don't care what distro |
| 08:25.47 | kd8ikt | http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokoiax/ |
| 08:26.09 | dbmoodb_ | so..... has it been done yet ? |
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| 08:26.21 | kd8ikt | not really |
| 08:26.32 | kd8ikt | noone cares enough to work on it |
| 08:26.47 | dbmoodb_ | ah its aix i want sip rofl |
| 08:26.53 | dbmoodb_ | iax* |
| 08:27.32 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt: there is nothing on the SD card .. the phone has just been unboxed |
| 08:28.35 | kd8ikt | so you wont mind fdisking it then eh? |
| 08:28.56 | kd8ikt | its real easy to setup dualboot |
| 08:29.07 | torindel | GirlRiver: try to flash new kernel and rootfs |
| 08:29.10 | kd8ikt | thought you might want to look into it |
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| 08:29.41 | doc|home | anyone? equivalent of scroll keys? |
| 08:29.57 | kd8ikt | wtf are you trying to do |
| 08:30.04 | doc|home | use vi :( |
| 08:30.34 | kd8ikt | no arrow keys? |
| 08:30.56 | doc|home | nope, not on any of the key layouts it seems |
| 08:30.58 | railer | doc why vi? |
| 08:31.08 | kd8ikt | arent jkl; arrow keys in command mode? |
| 08:31.11 | theocrite | you can use <num>+hjlk to move |
| 08:31.25 | GirlRiver | torindel: I think I will have to do that .. just thought it should boot from the box :-( |
| 08:31.38 | doc|home | railer: I don't care which, I'm still missing them |
| 08:31.48 | theocrite | 20j to go 20 lines down |
| 08:31.48 | kd8ikt | it still wont boot? |
| 08:32.08 | railer | doc|home can you ssh into the phone? |
| 08:32.13 | doc|home | railer: nah |
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| 08:32.42 | railer | so no internet connection then? |
| 08:32.56 | torindel | GirlRiver: you would flash it anyway ;] |
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| 08:33.05 | doc|home | ok, Jkl works |
| 08:33.11 | doc|home | thanks everyone |
| 08:33.11 | ecraven | you just need the usb modules for your kernel, works without a flaw (with a bit of iptables) |
| 08:33.13 | doc|home | what's up? |
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| 08:33.47 | railer | is GirlRiver an actual girl? |
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| 08:35.18 | GirlRiver | railer: why ? is that important when booting a neo ? |
| 08:35.37 | railer | yes actually I'm pretty sure it is |
| 08:36.06 | GirlRiver | railer: then it should work |
| 08:36.15 | Zorkman | so the freerunner really does have everything, even a built-in girl-detector |
| 08:36.15 | GirlRiver | railer: :-) |
| 08:36.36 | leinirAWAY | GirlRiver: Of course it is, didn't you know that you need a specific set of chromosomes to be able to do anything even remotely related to technology? ;) |
| 08:36.51 | kd8ikt | mine has gaydar and showing massive pings from railer |
| 08:37.04 | railer | I would love to know the sales demographics, is it 100% male of just 99% |
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| 08:37.30 | kgoetz | cant be 100, AU already has a number of chicks using them |
| 08:37.31 | doc|home | ah, there are other keys, you need to hit the tiny unintuitive green arrow by accident |
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| 08:38.05 | GirlRiver | I just want to get the damn thing to boot .. why can't I get past the splash screen |
| 08:38.25 | railer | did you recently flash it? |
| 08:38.26 | kd8ikt | dont see the kernel boot? |
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| 08:38.33 | GirlRiver | kgoetz: maybe I should just ask Clare ... |
| 08:38.45 | kd8ikt | the kernel prinkk()'s are flashing by? |
| 08:38.55 | GirlRiver | no have not flashed it, its fresh out of the box |
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| 08:39.11 | GirlRiver | it has booted a couple of times without sim or SD but never with either in |
| 08:39.16 | kgoetz | GirlRiver: heh. |
| 08:39.36 | kd8ikt | it could have been a bad factory flash |
| 08:39.40 | railer | is it pluged in could the battery just be dead? |
| 08:39.43 | kgoetz | afk. heading home |
| 08:39.45 | kd8ikt | its not unheard of |
| 08:40.01 | Zorkman | everyon: would it not better that she just flashed the damn thing to the newest everything? uboot, 2007.2 image and kernel? |
| 08:40.14 | kd8ikt | agrees |
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| 08:40.37 | GirlRiver | Zorkman: I can do that with a neo that won;t boot ? |
| 08:40.53 | GirlRiver | and no debug board |
| 08:40.55 | Zorkman | yes, you just need to log in in NOR |
| 08:40.58 | kd8ikt | get to the boot menu (NAND) |
| 08:41.12 | Zorkman | there is a nice wiki page that shows it all (i'll fetch the link) |
| 08:41.14 | doc|home | I'm looking at Using WPA and /etc/network/interfaces and it says iface eth0 inet dhcp should that be wlan0? |
| 08:41.31 | doc|home | er, sorry, looking at Using WEP and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:41.32 | kd8ikt | doc|home: whats iwconfig say? |
| 08:41.51 | railer | after installing the task-games on QT any ideas how to see them on the games menu? |
| 08:41.54 | doc|home | one sec |
| 08:42.18 | doc|home | kd8ikt: eth0 :) |
| 08:42.20 | doc|home | edits |
| 08:42.48 | Zorkman | GirlRiver: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 08:43.26 | GirlRiver | Zorkman: thanks |
| 08:44.01 | railer | no one up the |
| 08:44.10 | Zorkman | np, we people with our gender in our nick have to help eachother out |
| 08:44.29 | railer | no one up the QT data structure? |
| 08:45.06 | doc|home | it's saying duplicate interface eth0 even though there's only one defined in the interface file |
| 08:45.13 | railer | games directory, games conf? |
| 08:45.46 | torindel | GirlRiver: press and hold aux button and then power it on |
| 08:46.07 | torindel | if it displays boot menu then you can flash it |
| 08:46.50 | GirlRiver | torindel: ok ... boot menu is ther e |
| 08:47.29 | railer | flash it qtopia |
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| 08:47.58 | doc|home | "ifdown: duplicate interface eth0" |
| 08:48.16 | GirlRiver | I think I am going to go dual boot .. I want gps and Qtopia doesnt support it yet |
| 08:48.30 | quickdev | I'd like to build FSO with MokoMakefile. Do I have to change 'OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openembedded.dev' before running make setup or after that command? |
| 08:48.42 | doc|home | GirlRiver: yeah it does |
| 08:48.47 | doc|home | just you have to mess with things |
| 08:49.07 | doc|home | whichever distro you use you'll have to mess with things :/ |
| 08:49.33 | torindel | GirlRiver: in case you want to look orginal software (2007.2) get it from here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ |
| 08:49.37 | doc|home | crap, 2am |
| 08:49.37 | doc|home | night |
| 08:49.39 | torindel | +at |
| 08:49.47 | GirlRiver | doc|home: cool, thanks .. |
| 08:49.52 | railer | 2 am it's 3 here you wussie |
| 08:49.54 | railer | ! |
| 08:50.28 | kd8ikt | Mon Aug 4 04:50:28 EDT 2008 |
| 08:50.30 | kd8ikt | beat that |
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| 08:50.48 | railer | Girlriver before worring about dual boot I suggest getting one distro to work |
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| 08:51.32 | GirlRiver | railer: agree |
| 08:51.41 | kd8ikt | did it atleast boot yet? |
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| 08:52.06 | beni_ | could opkg use some http proxy to obtain packages? |
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| 08:55.24 | railer | how about a command to list everything in all directories so I can grep it?\ |
| 08:56.03 | kd8ikt | find / |grep tool |
| 08:56.16 | railer | cool |
| 08:56.25 | railer | im off to find a snake |
| 09:03.39 | El_Senator | The ASU will be released officially on aug 8th right? |
| 09:03.52 | Zorkman | thats what they say |
| 09:04.40 | El_Senator | great |
| 09:07.42 | beni_ | hm my GPS-date is 1970 - is that a problem? |
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| 09:08.24 | alphaone | beni_: It doesn't know the time yet |
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| 09:08.36 | kd8ikt | unless you're in a time machine i'd say something is up |
| 09:08.53 | kd8ikt | is it just me or is that bold |
| 09:09.03 | GirlRiver | so railer , kd8ikt , when you say reflash to the qtopia based stack, we are reflashing all 3 NAND partitions or just the kernel ? |
| 09:09.29 | kd8ikt | qtopia or the fso? |
| 09:10.00 | kd8ikt | qtopia is teh suckage |
| 09:10.17 | kd8ikt | fso is the future and 2007 is sortof dying |
| 09:10.29 | railer | I like QT FSO II screwed my phone |
| 09:11.04 | lpotter | i think qtopia is the future |
| 09:11.17 | railer | kernel and root |
| 09:11.34 | railer | girlriver: kernel and root |
| 09:11.38 | GirlRiver | since oyu guys have experienced both I can only take suggestions at this point, I thought I read somewhere the qtopia stack is most mature, most number of apps etc |
| 09:11.52 | kd8ikt | bah |
| 09:12.22 | GirlRiver | future is probably ubuntu mobile ;-) |
| 09:12.24 | lpotter | GirlRiver: I would say so |
| 09:12.31 | doc|home | not on this device |
| 09:12.38 | railer | both are good FSO has a much nicer GPS, but as I said it hooped my phone |
| 09:12.38 | doc|home | lpotter: how soon for qtopia 4.4? |
| 09:12.49 | GirlRiver | hooped ? |
| 09:12.59 | eckhard | GirlRiver: yes it's true most apps and most mature and safest ist Windows ... ;) |
| 09:13.06 | lpotter | doc|home: few more weeks... |
| 09:13.13 | doc|home | cool |
| 09:13.19 | GirlRiver | eckhard, no way |
| 09:13.24 | railer | hooped = broke, no workie the dial tone, |
| 09:13.25 | doc|home | lpotter: any info on what's in it? Or can you say? |
| 09:13.27 | kd8ikt | you should update uboot |
| 09:14.00 | beni_ | alphaone: thanks |
| 09:14.04 | lpotter | webkit, gps example, usbmode |
| 09:14.04 | kd8ikt | before any flashing |
| 09:14.23 | GirlRiver | is there a definitive step by step to do uboot update then to fso or whichever stack ? |
| 09:14.30 | doc|home | lpotter: webkit++ |
| 09:14.40 | doc|home | lpotter: wifi gui? |
| 09:15.09 | lpotter | qtopia already has a wifi gui config |
| 09:15.15 | doc|home | it does? |
| 09:15.18 | lpotter | is that what you mean? |
| 09:15.23 | lpotter | ya, internet settings |
| 09:15.30 | railer | if you got the bin and jffs2 they all load the same |
| 09:15.33 | doc|home | double checks |
| 09:15.39 | lpotter | still need to fix route though |
| 09:15.39 | doc|home | I looked but thought that was gprs only |
| 09:16.39 | doc|home | well arse, so it does |
| 09:16.41 | lpotter | need to fix/test gprs too |
| 09:16.42 | doc|home | nicely hidden :/ |
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| 09:18.16 | beni_ | kd8ikt: i am trying to install your agpsui.ipkg that you made some days ago. |
| 09:18.17 | beni_ | i get: |
| 09:18.18 | beni_ | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install openmoko-agpsui.ipkg |
| 09:18.19 | beni_ | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 09:18.26 | beni_ | with ASU of today, any hintS? |
| 09:18.56 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, do you have a link to how to update uboot ? |
| 09:19.13 | kd8ikt | try opkg install http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/openmoko-agpsui.ipkg |
| 09:19.16 | Zorkman | GirlRiver: the wiki link I gave you |
| 09:19.55 | kd8ikt | if that doesnt wokr my dns is fux0red |
| 09:20.10 | GirlRiver | Zorkman, thanks ... sorry for the double questions... just don't want to go down some vague path and end up with a brick..no debug board here |
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| 09:20.42 | Tanuva | alphaone's builds from today and yesterday freeze the moment the (tty-)login prompt comes up. anyone having the same issue? |
| 09:20.47 | beni_ | kd8ikt: why does that work but manually downloading, copying and installing not? |
| 09:20.57 | kd8ikt | i dunno |
| 09:21.03 | Zorkman | GirlRiver: you can't brick the device |
| 09:21.42 | Zorkman | GirlRiver: withouth debug board you can't mess with NOR u-boot so you can always reflash the device |
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| 09:21.47 | kd8ikt | he says till someone gets struck by lightning |
| 09:21.57 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 09:22.00 | alphaone | Tanuva: oh |
| 09:22.40 | alphaone | Tanuva: Let me check here |
| 09:22.57 | railer |  GirlRiver: you can't brick the device, trust me I've tried |
| 09:23.53 | kd8ikt | nor is read only failsafe uboot NAND is a flashable uboot that i believe is the default on regular power up |
| 09:23.56 | beni_ | GirlRiver: i had the same thougts yesterday |
| 09:24.23 | kd8ikt | well you need a debug board to flash nor |
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| 09:24.46 | kd8ikt | but thats the backdoor that can reflash anyhing from nor |
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| 09:26.19 | railer | anyone ever seen the TV show psych? |
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| 09:26.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rd1685e9a9f54 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: Revert "[preferred-om-2008-versions] remove bogus SRCREV lines for opkg #1686" |
| 09:26.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * ra0e30fb832dd 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred-om-2008-versions] remove bogus opkg SRCREV entries |
| 09:26.50 | kd8ikt | and beni what'd you do wget the apgsui.ipk and type opkg install agps? did ya forget to opkginstall ./agps-openmoko.ipk |
| 09:28.03 | GirlRiver | slightly confused, but if I can summarise , without debug board, ignore kd8ikt suggestion to update uboot prior to any flashing... |
| 09:29.15 | kd8ikt | my reasoning for uboot is the shipped uboot to my knowledge has a lil glitch that doesnt erase the fs before flash and you'll have latent files |
| 09:29.52 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Nand_erase |
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| 09:30.43 | kd8ikt | just trying to save some extra bs to wade through |
| 09:31.01 | GirlRiver | Zorkman, railer , so I'm just going to follow steps to reflash the kernel and at this point it is a toss up between qtopia and fso |
| 09:33.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd3deeed03a0a 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Rename from spliner to om-locations |
| 09:33.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra79937301e6d 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [exposure] Bump up the reversion of exposure to 63 |
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| 09:35.09 | Zorkman | GirlRiver: it depensd what you want to do with your phone which distro suits you best |
| 09:35.52 | Zorkman | Qtopia is very responsive and stable, but you won't get GPS and stuff like that |
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| 09:36.45 | railer | either one is fine GirlRiver |
| 09:37.14 | railer | and you cant figure out where to put the damn games! |
| 09:37.33 | railer | but the phone works in QT where FSO dont |
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| 09:42.50 | railer | anyone know the app to open an sqlite database? |
| 09:44.34 | ronny | sqlite? |
| 09:45.37 | ronny | there is also the firefox extension sqlitemanager |
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| 09:47.21 | railer | ok |
| 09:48.29 | zogg_ | Is there any chance freerunner will show up on sale this week? I have relatives coming from USA, it would be very fortunate to pay $400 instead of 360Eu. |
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| 09:53.31 | SpeedEvil | zogg_: unlikely. |
| 09:53.49 | SpeedEvil | you know about the wavelength problem? |
| 09:53.57 | SpeedEvil | 850/900 |
| 09:54.27 | zogg_ | Yep. Im from europe, checked - its 900 here. |
| 09:55.26 | SpeedEvil | 850 in the US store, if they carry it |
| 09:56.34 | zogg_ | I thought 900s may come with the upcoming batch... |
| 09:56.44 | SpeedEvil | Well - possibly. |
| 09:56.53 | SpeedEvil | Last time was only 850 though. |
| 09:58.05 | Zorkman | zogg_: koolu maybe has 900 in stock |
| 09:58.44 | zogg_ | koolu - thats a person i suppose? :) |
| 09:59.10 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 10:00.20 | ronny | what did i miss trying to install tangogps/openmoko-agpsui with the latest dev image i get "An error ocurred, return value: 2" |
| 10:01.00 | leinir | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/bomberman-2008/ <-- We need this ;) |
| 10:01.38 | zogg_ | Wah. How did i miss American resellers. o.O |
| 10:02.02 | kuzgun | leinir: I agree ;) |
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| 10:02.49 | lpotter | doc|home: oh and qbuild |
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| 10:05.35 | railer | any doc on qtopia_db.sqlite? I think thats the key to this |
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| 10:09.03 | lpotter | key to what? |
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| 10:14.43 | kd8ikt | ok ok qtopia is neat |
| 10:15.04 | kd8ikt | i confused it witht he buildhosts QT images |
| 10:15.18 | lpotter | thats ASU, not qtopia :) |
| 10:15.18 | leinir | Those are ASU :) |
| 10:15.28 | kd8ikt | bleh asu is lame |
| 10:15.39 | leinir | (and it's Qt, not QT - one is pronounced "cute", the other "QuickTime" ;) ) |
| 10:15.54 | lpotter | ASU is still being developed, its still very alpha |
| 10:16.16 | kd8ikt | fso is tight |
| 10:16.58 | railer | lpotter: qtopia_db.sqlite I think ids the key to installing non QT games |
| 10:17.04 | kd8ikt | love it all except asu :P |
| 10:17.14 | ritz | kd8ikt: what do you imply with "tight" ? |
| 10:17.29 | railer | tight = broken? |
| 10:17.36 | XorA | buildhost isnt really ASU either |
| 10:17.45 | XorA | the real ASU build is a lot more solid |
| 10:17.55 | kd8ikt | well of course |
| 10:18.10 | lpotter | XorA: well.. bring it on! where is it? |
| 10:18.24 | XorA | lpotter: still internal only |
| 10:18.30 | lpotter | what happened to the ASU images? |
| 10:18.34 | Bubbi | could someone explain to me, what the OM2008.8 image is..? Is it just a new name for ASU..? (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8) |
| 10:18.43 | XorA | Bubbi: seems to be |
| 10:19.05 | Bubbi | okay.. :) |
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| 10:21.09 | Bubbi | Hmm.. It seems that a lot of the basic features are pretty much done in ASU.. But most of you, who've tried it, says that it's *very* slow? In which way do you mean that it's slow.. |
| 10:21.33 | Zorkman | XorA: just a question; why aren't there anymore asu jffs2 rootfs? |
| 10:21.59 | Bubbi | I haven't tried it yet myself, so i'm just interested in hearing about it :) |
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| 10:22.16 | XorA | Zorkman: because the build failed |
| 10:22.17 | kd8ikt | people like to overdo applications |
| 10:22.53 | kd8ikt | like add this and that and this next thing you know a simple calc app becomes a fricken 64bit cpu emulator |
| 10:23.50 | kd8ikt | keep it simple stupid |
| 10:24.28 | Bubbi | kd8ikt: heh, of course that shouldn't be happening :) But which applications have been made for ASU as of yet..? |
| 10:24.39 | kd8ikt | me [#openmoko] [ |
| 10:24.43 | kd8ikt | ? none but i know people |
| 10:24.57 | kd8ikt | you're all alike! |
| 10:25.00 | Bubbi | congrats.. you know people.. :) :D |
| 10:25.34 | kd8ikt | well now you;re just being a dick |
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| 10:25.46 | Bubbi | heh, sorry.. j/k.. :) |
| 10:26.21 | kd8ikt | but take a simple app like agpsui |
| 10:27.50 | Bubbi | it's got a few features, but isn't the problem with it, that it's made in python, and thereby being slower than it would be, if it was made with C..? |
| 10:27.50 | kd8ikt | wich reminds me i was going to thumb through the source then i got sidtracked |
| 10:28.30 | kd8ikt | its c |
| 10:28.43 | kd8ikt | cpp |
| 10:28.53 | Bubbi | oh.. damn.. well, yeah then it's a bit slow :) |
| 10:29.31 | kd8ikt | i needs cleaning |
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| 10:31.09 | kd8ikt | svn checkout svn://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/openmoko-agpsui |
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| 10:38.03 | GirlRiver | sorry for the pause chaps..I'm not developing at this point so the most polished stack is the qtopia ? |
| 10:38.53 | dns53 | the qtopia is good if you want a phone |
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| 10:40.45 | kd8ikt | what you cant install gpsd on it? |
| 10:41.14 | GirlRiver | dns53, and the fso is good for ? |
| 10:42.25 | SpeedEvil | FSO is the future. |
| 10:42.25 | dns53 | the fso is ok, it depends on what software you want |
| 10:42.38 | SpeedEvil | However, it's some way off being the now. |
| 10:42.53 | kd8ikt | dbus |
| 10:43.06 | SpeedEvil | 2007.2 is the past - though in some ways more-functional than ASU/qutopia |
| 10:43.27 | kd8ikt | yeah everything works on it |
| 10:43.43 | SpeedEvil | And ASU is the 'quick hack' that was intended to be usable release software for the FR, but turned out to be slower and more annoying to hack together. |
| 10:43.48 | SpeedEvil | AIUI |
| 10:44.12 | kd8ikt | heh i played with asu for like 10 min and reflashed |
| 10:44.40 | kd8ikt | after looking at small fonts asu made me blind |
| 10:45.11 | MrShlee | Is mickey still working on a murged release? |
| 10:45.29 | SpeedEvil | The 'merged release' is FSO |
| 10:46.04 | dns53 | i'd like to use the shr, any news about it? |
| 10:46.07 | kd8ikt | utilizing the freesmartphone dbus api |
| 10:46.36 | SpeedEvil | ~SHR |
| 10:46.37 | apt | shr is, like, Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
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| 10:46.46 | GirlRiver | does the qtopia stack support ssh in from desktop linux with X forwarding ? |
| 10:47.03 | dns53 | qtopia does not have x |
| 10:47.09 | SpeedEvil | dns53: this one does! |
| 10:47.15 | SpeedEvil | dneary: it's qtopia-over-x |
| 10:47.18 | SpeedEvil | dns: |
| 10:47.25 | leinir | SpeedEvil: That's not qtopia, that's asu :) |
| 10:47.28 | dneary | SpeedEvil: ? |
| 10:47.29 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 10:47.35 | SpeedEvil | dneary: sorry. |
| 10:47.49 | leinir | The qtopia stack is normal qtopia (that is, directly on the framebuffer) :) |
| 10:47.50 | SpeedEvil | I wasn't aware tehre was an actual pure qtopia stack. |
| 10:48.09 | lpotter | SpeedEvil: from qtopia.net |
| 10:48.19 | kd8ikt | http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=75 |
| 10:49.09 | kd8ikt | whops http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 |
| 10:49.15 | leinir | SpeedEvil: Seriously? How'd you miss that, it's not like you're a non-regular here :) |
| 10:49.20 | dneary | SpeedEvil: Ah - honest mistake |
| 10:49.45 | kd8ikt | Qt <kde crap> |
| 10:50.24 | GirlRiver | -sigh- so many opinions how usable is the fso ? |
| 10:50.41 | kd8ikt | flash and find out |
| 10:50.54 | mbuf | pango is available in ASU/FSO/OM2007.2? |
| 10:51.01 | Zorkman | how can i see if i have a gta02v6 or gta02v5? |
| 10:51.04 | lpotter | dont listen to them. my opinion counts ;) |
| 10:52.25 | mbuf | lpotter, I was able to make phone calls and SMS with the Qtopia edition from qtopia.net through SD card; the responsiveness is quite good |
| 10:52.41 | kd8ikt | it was written in the Sun Tzu if a carpenter lived next to a heavy traffic road and stopped to take the advise of all the poeple passing buy on how he should build his house... it would never get built |
| 10:52.55 | lpotter | mbuf: good to hear! :D |
| 10:53.29 | kd8ikt | zorkman libgsm-tool can i think |
| 10:53.36 | matholio | How could I backup the whole device, so I can try another distro? |
| 10:53.37 | kd8ikt | the shell |
| 10:54.03 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: and how do i use this libgsm-tool o find it out? |
| 10:54.26 | dns53 | matholio the flashing page on the wiki has instructions |
| 10:54.28 | kd8ikt | i cant remember its in the wiki hidden somewhere vi uboot flash instructions |
| 10:54.40 | kd8ikt | how to find out your revision |
| 10:54.47 | kd8ikt | hardware |
| 10:55.17 | GirlRiver | what's the default ip over usb for the om2007.2 ? jusat want to first confirm df-util can see the neo |
| 10:55.20 | dns53 | i think all the main productions where 5 though i am not sure |
| 10:55.30 | kd8ikt | 192.168.0.202 |
| 10:55.48 | lpotter | dfu-util doesnt use an ip address |
| 10:56.02 | kd8ikt | ... device need to be in uboot to use dfu |
| 10:56.25 | GirlRiver | k, but should I not be able to see the neo from my ubuntu desktop ? |
| 10:56.36 | matholio | Zorkman: libgsmd-tool -m shell, then 'rv' |
| 10:56.50 | dns53 | follow the usb networking instructions |
| 10:56.50 | matholio | revision: "HW: GTA02BV5, GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko8" |
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| 10:57.01 | kd8ikt | heh revision, i'm gonna remember that now matholio |
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| 10:57.47 | kd8ikt | <-------e-tard |
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| 11:02.18 | Zorkman | thanks kd8ikt |
| 11:03.23 | kd8ikt | matholio: is the one who found it |
| 11:03.42 | Zorkman | thankyou matholio then :) |
| 11:03.45 | kd8ikt | but hey i'll take credit for it |
| 11:04.09 | kd8ikt | rofl |
| 11:05.24 | kd8ikt | make sure GirlRiver knows how to get the revision too so she can flash uboot |
| 11:08.37 | GirlRiver | I asume I am following these: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner |
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| 11:11.54 | kd8ikt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqyIpwhXXrk |
| 11:12.12 | GirlRiver | I'm confused, the above qtopia steps say to scp the tarball to second partion on sd card... I was under the impression I could flash directly over usb using dfu-util |
| 11:12.29 | kd8ikt | those are generic boot via SD card instructions |
| 11:12.35 | Zorkman | GirlRiver: are you attempting dualboot? why not just flash it? |
| 11:13.07 | kd8ikt | though can you get a shell with qtopia? |
| 11:14.10 | GirlRiver | Zorkman, not attempting dualboot at this stage, just want to flash from out of the box 2007.2 to qtopia |
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| 11:17.00 | Zorkman | GirlRiver: are you running into trouble? because it is really quite straitforward |
| 11:17.55 | Zorkman | GirlRiver: you don't need that page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner; yuo only need http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 11:18.09 | alphaone | Tanuva: Just tried the image and it works |
| 11:18.26 | Zorkman | GirlRiver: you downloaded dfu util? already? |
| 11:18.57 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb1c92d69feaf 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: ogsmd: add FIXME in parser.py |
| 11:19.17 | GirlRiver | Zorkman, yes and did 'sudo chmod a+x ...' |
| 11:19.50 | Zorkman | ok, great |
| 11:20.04 | Tig|_ | does anyone know where to find a rootfs images for the fso milestone2 ? |
| 11:20.14 | Zorkman | GirlRiver: next you have to download http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=75 |
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| 11:20.37 | Tig|_ | there is only a GTA01 on : http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ the gta02 one is a .jffs.summary file |
| 11:20.38 | beni_ | Tig|_: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ |
| 11:20.47 | beni_ | Tig|_: thats ok |
| 11:20.54 | kd8ikt | mooches off of alphaone's latest builds |
| 11:21.02 | Zorkman | GirlRiver: when yo have downloaded it, just unpack those two files in it in the same directory as where you have put dfu-util |
| 11:21.11 | Tig|_ | beni_: ah was wondering what it was :) |
| 11:21.17 | beni_ | Tig|_: http://www.inf.u-szeged.hu/jffs2/mount.php |
| 11:21.22 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r10b1d816d027 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko] Add GTK applications into openmoko-asu-feed |
| 11:21.30 | beni_ | jffs2 summary makes jffs2 faster to mount |
| 11:22.57 | Tig|_ | beni_: does this mean I should use .summary files if available when flashing? |
| 11:23.31 | kd8ikt | i would |
| 11:23.36 | Zorkman | GirlRiver: let me know when you have done that |
| 11:23.55 | GirlRiver | Zorkman, I have the qtopia-4.3.2-gta02-flash-07221045.tgz and unpacked getting a jffs2 and bin file |
| 11:24.11 | dns53 | yes you can flash the .summary files |
| 11:24.36 | Zorkman | perfect GirlRiver, only a few steps away from running qtopia |
| 11:24.58 | Zorkman | GirlRiver: connect your freerunner with your host pcwith the usb cable |
| 11:25.04 | kd8ikt | boot into uboot |
| 11:25.09 | kd8ikt | ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D rootfs.jffs |
| 11:25.51 | Zorkman | GirlRiver: you know how to boot into NOR? |
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| 11:26.05 | GirlRiver | Zorkman, yes aux + power |
| 11:26.06 | Zorkman | (hold aux and then press and hold power) |
| 11:26.23 | GirlRiver | Zorkman, at uboot menu now |
| 11:26.30 | Zorkman | ok, then do what kd8ikt said: ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D qtopia-4.3.2-gta02-rootfs-07221045.jffs2 |
| 11:26.42 | Zorkman | (type it in the terminal) |
| 11:26.51 | kd8ikt | root |
| 11:27.03 | GirlRiver | I'm on ubuntu do I need sudo ? |
| 11:27.11 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 11:27.11 | Zorkman | better you do it |
| 11:27.24 | Zorkman | or just type "su -" and enter your password if you have not set up sudo |
| 11:27.33 | Zorkman | (root password that is) |
| 11:27.33 | bumbl | Zorkman: |
| 11:27.34 | dns53 | sudo -s |
| 11:27.35 | kd8ikt | sudo su |
| 11:27.38 | bumbl | he is on ubuntu |
| 11:27.43 | GirlRiver | Zorkman, sudo is default in ubuntu |
| 11:27.48 | bumbl | ubuntu does not have a root account |
| 11:28.01 | dns53 | ubuntu has a a root account with a random password |
| 11:28.10 | kd8ikt | sudo su will make you root |
| 11:28.11 | Zorkman | ah k, I'm new to linux you know, only experience i have is fedora (which a lot of people seem to dispise..) |
| 11:28.17 | bumbl | dns53: yeah but is deaktivated by default |
| 11:28.18 | dns53 | all you need to do is: sudo passwd |
| 11:28.38 | kd8ikt | thats not a great idea |
| 11:29.03 | Tig|_ | just do: sudo -s |
| 11:30.32 | beni_ | hm, how can i lock the phone with ASU? |
| 11:30.48 | dns53 | power button > lock |
| 11:30.52 | GirlRiver | ok running... at 'Starting download:[####...' |
| 11:31.04 | Zorkman | perfect, thats it, nothing more to it :p |
| 11:31.16 | beni_ | dns53: ah, i have to press it _long_ |
| 11:31.17 | beni_ | okay |
| 11:31.19 | kd8ikt | jffs flashing takes awhile |
| 11:31.20 | Zorkman | afterwards you're best to flash the kernel also (will take much less tie) |
| 11:31.23 | Zorkman | *time |
| 11:31.41 | GirlRiver | do I need to keep uboot up manually ? |
| 11:31.49 | Zorkman | nope, it has taken over control |
| 11:31.51 | beni_ | is there a lock screen that shows time? |
| 11:31.52 | Zorkman | just let it run |
| 11:32.08 | kd8ikt | while [ $jffs=flashing ]; do drink a beer ;done |
| 11:32.12 | bumbl | beni_: depends on what you mean with lock; if you only want to lock it and not suspend it, press the aux button |
| 11:32.21 | Zorkman | GirlRiver: flashing the kernel you do by ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage_2008_07_16_gta02_73eeb0333fc771cb696ff9bf17c517c741434b59.bin |
| 11:32.31 | beni_ | bumbl: lock the display |
| 11:32.49 | bumbl | when you press the power button in asu it will suspend |
| 11:32.53 | MrShlee | User friendly. |
| 11:32.59 | bumbl | or when you press it too long it will shut down |
| 11:33.02 | GirlRiver | Zorkman, so when this is finished do I reboot it again or go streight to kernel flash ? |
| 11:33.13 | kd8ikt | kernel flash |
| 11:33.17 | Zorkman | GirlRiver: straight to kernel flash, reboot is not nescessary |
| 11:33.19 | bumbl | you can exit the suspend state by pressing the power button again |
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| 11:33.53 | GirlRiver | Zorkman, kd8ikt and others, thanks for the help and patience with a neonoob |
| 11:34.08 | Zorkman | beni_: the clock in the asu is i n the upperright corner; when you lock the display, only a bar in the middle of the phone is shown, so you till can see the clock |
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| 11:34.50 | Zorkman | GirlRiver: np, i'm a linuxnoob so I also have to ask millions of questions :) |
| 11:35.03 | beni_ | Zorkman: hm, then i have flashed a different asu. |
| 11:35.28 | GirlRiver | Zorkman, well I'm both, just know enough to be dangerous ;-) |
| 11:35.45 | MrShlee | Are we using a tickless kernel? |
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| 11:36.14 | Zorkman | GirlRiver: just remember: there are 2 u-boots. one in NAND which you can fuck up, and one in NOR, which will always be there, so in theory, without a debug board you can not birck your phone |
| 11:36.24 | bumbl | beni_: there is only one asu |
| 11:36.30 | Zorkman | birck=brick |
| 11:36.52 | beni_ | bumbl: i think i have the wrong one. |
| 11:36.53 | beni_ | Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080804-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 11:36.58 | DocScrutinizer | now even a more final version on my public folder ;-) |
| 11:37.03 | beni_ | thats the file i flashed... |
| 11:37.10 | bumbl | beni_: thats not asu |
| 11:37.22 | DocScrutinizer | enjoy! ;-) |
| 11:37.22 | bumbl | thats openmoko 2007.2 |
| 11:37.27 | beni_ | from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080804/ |
| 11:37.32 | Wonka | hrm. my FR stops booting at "10%". or at least it stays there for a long while. |
| 11:37.35 | bumbl | [13:37:21] <bumbl> thats openmoko 2007.2 |
| 11:37.36 | beni_ | that was the link from the wiki |
| 11:37.46 | beni_ | where to get ASU? |
| 11:37.54 | Wonka | is there any way to access the JFFS2 via USB from Linux? |
| 11:38.00 | Zorkman | beni_: currently there are no ASU images online, because of a buildproblem |
| 11:38.14 | bumbl | i think there aren't any builds at the moment because on friday they will release |
| 11:38.24 | bumbl | the august software update aka 2008.8 |
| 11:38.30 | beni_ | okay |
| 11:38.37 | dns53 | asu are the daily builds arn't they? |
| 11:38.40 | beni_ | then i have to be patient |
| 11:38.49 | beni_ | dns53: it seems not. |
| 11:40.22 | GirlRiver | Zorkman, how can I tell the difference and which is started using the aux+power ? |
| 11:41.15 | dns53 | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080804/ ? |
| 11:41.42 | GirlRiver | Zorkman, btw, that finished with status 0. But when I came back to my desk the neo had shutdown, ok to aux+power again and run second dfu-util to do kernel ? |
| 11:42.44 | Zorkman | aux+power and then kernel yes |
| 11:42.52 | beni_ | dns53: that are the 2007.2 images says zorkman |
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| 11:43.30 | Zorkman | if you start auwx+power ==> you go to NOR boot (it will be stated on the screen it is NOR) |
| 11:43.34 | beni_ | is power management better with ASU? |
| 11:43.49 | GirlRiver | Zorkman, never mind done aux+power and started kernel dfu-util now, seems ok so far |
| 11:44.48 | Zorkman | GirlRiver: when you ever decide to do dualbooting, it would be best to upgrade your u-boot also, but the recent u-boot sometimes brakes usb, so use one from 07/22 for example, or wait a few days |
| 11:45.19 | Zorkman | (oh wait, there are only august files on the server anmore, so just wait a bit :p) |
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| 11:46.54 | GirlRiver | Zorkman, done and rebooted and qtopia came up fine... many thanks. Time to play |
| 11:47.23 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 11:47.34 | kd8ikt | jeez that took like 4hrs |
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| 11:48.28 | Zorkman | hooray! Next time we want to see you do it in less then 15 minutes GirlRiver :) |
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| 11:49.07 | GirlRiver | heh, thanks simple once done once ;-) |
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| 11:57.18 | pazante | hi anyone that can tell me the commands for extracting the root file system from the qtopia-4.3.2-gta02-rootfs-07221045.jffs2 |
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| 11:58.24 | ecraven | try mount -o loop qtopia-4.3.2... /media/cdrom |
| 11:58.43 | ecraven | if you are lucky, and have the correct kernel modules, you can access everything via /media/cdrom |
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| 12:02.30 | beni_ | someone having an inteso sdhc card in use? |
| 12:05.32 | Wonka | ITYM "intenso" |
| 12:05.36 | Wonka | but i haven't. |
| 12:06.14 | Wonka | ok, my FR just stays quite long at 10%. it's done booting now. |
| 12:06.59 | Wonka | and now i'll kick out this exquisite piece of damn eyecandy that doesn't let me see what's going on |
| 12:07.57 | GirlRiver | pazante, you can also 'tar xzf qtopia-4.3.2-gta02-flash-07221045.tgz' |
| 12:08.09 | GirlRiver | pazante, sorry ignore that |
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| 12:17.35 | spdr | gonna get my moko today ^_^ |
| 12:17.43 | spdr | any recommendations ? |
| 12:17.47 | edje2 | freerunner? |
| 12:17.58 | spdr | yeah |
| 12:18.17 | dns53 | try everything and see what you like |
| 12:18.17 | Zorkman_ | what kind of recommendations? |
| 12:18.27 | edje2 | cool, i am looking into open moko, any thoughts compared to a htc / nokia ? |
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| 12:18.51 | spdr | Zorkman_, best os to run in order to actually use the device? :) |
| 12:19.03 | spdr | dns53, best idea i guess |
| 12:19.06 | Zorkman_ | spdr: use it for what? :) |
| 12:19.31 | matholio | maing phone calls would be a reasonable start. |
| 12:19.35 | matholio | making |
| 12:19.39 | Zorkman_ | it all depends on what you want to do with it, so make sure to try everything :) |
| 12:19.42 | dns53 | if all you want is a phone use the qtopia image, the other images have more other apps |
| 12:19.47 | Zorkman_ | making phonecalls: FSO |
| 12:20.03 | Zorkman_ | making phonecalls and a bit of extra phone-stuff: qtopia |
| 12:20.13 | spdr | i understand qtopia dosnt even have a phonebook? |
| 12:20.19 | spdr | :X |
| 12:20.26 | dns53 | qtopia has a good phonebook |
| 12:20.32 | Zorkman_ | mmm it has been a while since i looked into it, but i do think it has one |
| 12:20.46 | Zorkman_ | it is quite usable for a phone |
| 12:21.13 | spdr | i guess i'll just try everything, as dns said |
| 12:21.16 | Zorkman_ | havet tried to add apps to qtopia though, i don't know if it also works with opkg and that stuff (think not) |
| 12:21.18 | spdr | cant wait :) |
| 12:21.19 | GirlRiver | so now that I have qtopia up and running, how can I get neo to see my ubuntu desktop machine and pickup internet connect ? |
| 12:21.46 | edje2 | i want to use tho phone as a modem (gprs / umts ) for my laptop. has anyone done that before |
| 12:21.47 | dns53 | qtopia has it's own software system |
| 12:21.56 | SpeedEvil | edje2: yes |
| 12:21.58 | Zorkman_ | GirlRiver: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 12:22.04 | SpeedEvil | edje2: long, long ago, in the mists of time. |
| 12:22.10 | SpeedEvil | edje2: well - last summer |
| 12:22.28 | GirlRiver | Zorkman_, seems a little involved for this linuxnoob |
| 12:22.42 | matholio | what is the green horizontal bar at the top of FSO II |
| 12:23.00 | Zorkman_ | GirlRiver: I'll pm you, to not flood this channel, it is really simple (if it works :)) |
| 12:27.26 | alphaone | matholio: battery level |
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| 12:27.35 | dns53 | what formats does the media player play? |
| 12:27.40 | edje2 | what are the experiences with the freerunner as a gps ? |
| 12:27.57 | Zorkman | mine: good |
| 12:28.04 | Zorkman | it's good enough for OSM mapping |
| 12:28.05 | dns53 | once it has a fix it works fine |
| 12:28.42 | Tanuva | alphaone: hmm... I'm just reflashing the one from today for another try |
| 12:28.54 | alphaone | okay |
| 12:29.15 | dns53 | use agpsui http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/openmoko-agpsui.ipkg |
| 12:29.52 | mmaestri | hi all |
| 12:29.56 | Zorkman | llo |
| 12:30.36 | edje2 | sounds good, any downsides on this device compared to htc / nokia ? |
| 12:30.41 | quickdev | soon, gps will be much more powerful when the almanac and ephemeris cache is implemented. time to first fix will be shorter. |
| 12:31.12 | dns53 | the hardware is good, the software needs a few more months of polish |
| 12:31.16 | mmaestri | alphaone: last weekend i've tried to build fso with mokomakefile. it failed |
| 12:31.32 | mmaestri | alphaone: can you give me some advice to make it work? |
| 12:31.42 | quickdev | mmaestri, what failed? |
| 12:31.45 | beni_ | dns53: i had 4 satellites with half of the sky visible, FFIX in about 60 seconds with clear sky |
| 12:31.57 | beni_ | i had about 20 meters location problems |
| 12:32.08 | mmaestri | alphaone: building linux-openmoko |
| 12:32.20 | beni_ | now the sky is clouded (overcast) and i dont get a fix. |
| 12:32.23 | alphaone | mmaestri: Yeah, try that again |
| 12:32.37 | edje2 | it has no camera right? |
| 12:32.47 | dns53 | no camera and no plans for one |
| 12:32.49 | beni_ | quickdev: when does that come? |
| 12:32.51 | alphaone | mmaestri: The git fetcher has some issue, linux-openmoko fails every second try |
| 12:33.12 | quickdev | beni_, soon ;) |
| 12:33.16 | dns53 | alphaone you got the right git package installed? |
| 12:33.19 | beni_ | quickdev: asu? |
| 12:33.28 | alphaone | dns53: ? |
| 12:33.36 | alphaone | what is the right git package? |
| 12:33.41 | quickdev | beni_, fso first, but asu will use fso in the future |
| 12:33.55 | dns53 | well ubuntu you need git-core or something |
| 12:34.00 | quickdev | will use *the framework in the future |
| 12:34.01 | mmaestri | alphaone: so you say that if i try again (make clean-package && make update && make fso-image) it should work? |
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| 12:37.15 | matholio | FSO seem less...fun, than 2007.2. but more stable. |
| 12:38.03 | edje2 | hmm. i am looking at the tango gps site, but there is not much info on routing from one city to another, can you search for streets in cities etc? |
| 12:38.22 | Zorkman | edje2: no you can not |
| 12:38.31 | Zorkman | edje2: but there are other apps, like navit |
| 12:38.35 | matholio | FSO, tangogps is installed, but how do I turn on gps ? |
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| 12:39.17 | edje2 | the navit for openmoko looks like an old version, is the current version also available on the freerunner ? |
| 12:40.02 | Zorkman | not that i know of |
| 12:40.08 | Zorkman | ecraven did try to build one |
| 12:40.21 | Zorkman | (but he builds for debian on the freerunner, not sure if that poses problems) |
| 12:40.42 | quickdev | Zorkman, did you do osm mapping lately? |
| 12:40.46 | ecraven | (and succeeded ;) |
| 12:40.53 | Zorkman | quickdev: a week ago or so ye |
| 12:40.55 | Zorkman | *yes |
| 12:41.12 | Zorkman | ecraven: id you make a opkg package? |
| 12:41.13 | quickdev | how did you save the track? |
| 12:41.18 | Zorkman | with tangogps |
| 12:41.39 | dns53 | tango gps rocks |
| 12:42.00 | mmaestri | ecraven: did you solved the calibration issues with gta02? |
| 12:42.13 | edje2 | dns53: even if it lacks the routing functionality ? |
| 12:42.18 | ecraven | Zorkman: no |
| 12:42.27 | ecraven | Zorkman: but i still have the build directory ;) |
| 12:42.34 | ecraven | mmaestri: by using Xglamo or Xfbdev |
| 12:42.47 | dns53 | it's good enough for looking at maps |
| 12:42.47 | ecraven | and the /etc/pointercal from 2007.2. and a bunch of export TSLIB_.. |
| 12:43.01 | ecraven | navit routing works, but sloooow |
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| 12:43.43 | alphaone | mmaestri: touch build/local/local.conf as well |
| 12:43.55 | edje2 | ecraven: is it hard to customize navit to run on the freerunner? |
| 12:44.00 | alphaone | don't know if make update does that |
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| 12:44.07 | ecraven | edje2: i didn't customize it at all, just downloaded, and compiled |
| 12:44.25 | alphaone | mmaestri: touch build/local/local.conf && bitbake fso-image works here |
| 12:44.26 | ecraven | getting all the dependencies can be no fun, but under debian everything was there |
| 12:44.28 | edje2 | ecraven: and you run debia on the phone ? |
| 12:44.31 | ecraven | edje2: yes |
| 12:44.32 | edje2 | debian* |
| 12:44.39 | ecraven | look at wiki/Debian |
| 12:44.40 | edje2 | cool^^ |
| 12:44.46 | ecraven | not all of that is correct, but it's a start ;) |
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| 12:46.44 | ecraven | though people have argued that it is probably slower than angström (due to non-stripping of binaries) |
| 12:47.00 | ecraven | i haven't noticed anything, except the availability of *many* more packages ;) |
| 12:47.25 | quickdev | ecraven, what means non-stripping of binaries? the symbols are not stripped or what? |
| 12:47.25 | mmaestri | ecraven: are you using it as a phone somehow? |
| 12:48.01 | XorA | ecraven: on armv4 debian and angstrom are about equal |
| 12:48.11 | XorA | ecraven: Angstrom wins on armv6/armv7 though :-) |
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| 12:48.42 | edje2 | nice there is even a virtyual machine running openmoko. if i have some time i will take a look at it |
| 12:48.43 | MrShlee | This upcoming 2008.8 release.. is the replacement stable release? |
| 12:48.48 | mmaestri | alphaone: i'll try that, thx |
| 12:48.52 | Wonka | AAARGH. |
| 12:48.53 | alphaone | k |
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| 12:49.01 | Wonka | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/neo1973-hardware/2007-September/000245.html - got the same problem here. |
| 12:50.18 | ecraven | mmaestri: no, i only tested gps so far. the accelerometers are working (didn't look at the actual values, only the fact that event2/3 provide output). i'm using the "normal" kernel from OM though, so all the hardware should be ok |
| 12:50.28 | ecraven | mmaestri: i'll try gsm whenever i can find a dialler application that doesn't suck |
| 12:50.44 | ecraven | XorA: wins by how much? |
| 12:50.54 | ecraven | XorA: and in what way :) |
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| 12:51.33 | XorA | ecraven: wel on armv6/7 debian still runs armv4 code, where Angstrom uses super optimised armv6/7 code |
| 12:51.52 | XorA | like running 486 code on P4 machines |
| 12:52.37 | Zorkman | too bad we don't have a arm6/7 device :p |
| 12:53.16 | bumbl | does angstorm/the openmoko team strip the debug information? (on gentoo this would be USE="-debug") |
| 12:54.02 | Tanuva | afaik they do |
| 12:54.27 | ecraven | XorA: is that a gcc problem? or is there just no dedicated armv6/7 debian? |
| 12:54.44 | XorA | ecraven: no dedicated armv6/7 debian |
| 12:54.46 | bumbl | <- is disappointed | this would be a huge perfomance boost |
| 12:54.59 | ecraven | XorA: do we have an armv6/7? |
| 12:55.06 | XorA | ecraven: not yet |
| 12:55.14 | ecraven | XorA: start one :) |
| 12:55.15 | XorA | ecraven: but you never know got GTA42 |
| 12:55.28 | XorA | ecraven: OpenMoko runs on HTC armv6 machines though |
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| 12:57.01 | beni_ | i need some small advice on this issue: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743 |
| 12:57.09 | beni_ | how to do what he suggests? |
| 12:57.15 | beni_ | (If you know how to adapt the U-Boot environment, please give this a try with a slower SD Card clock, from the kernel commandline) |
| 12:57.18 | beni_ | glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=10000000 ) |
| 12:57.43 | Tanuva | alphaone: now the most recent image seems to work. strange. :) |
| 12:57.52 | alphaone | Tanuva: No, good :-) |
| 12:57.59 | edje2 | XorA: do you know if the htc magican is a armv6 machine? ( i own one...) |
| 12:57.59 | alphaone | but also strange, yeah |
| 12:58.01 | positronium | When is the next batch going to be available for sale on openmoko.com? The site says they should have arrived over a week ago |
| 12:58.14 | XorA | edje2: no idea, I got the Kaiser |
| 12:59.07 | bumbl | positronium: there is a delay because of the gps issue |
| 12:59.16 | XorA | ahah, found the problem with usb ethernet on new images |
| 12:59.21 | XorA | well 2 problems anyway |
| 12:59.24 | quickdev | Zorkman, are you running gpsd for tangogps? |
| 12:59.42 | Zorkman | quickdev: yes |
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| 13:00.14 | Zorkman | edje2: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=379&id2=296&id3=380&id4=550&id5=295&id6=363&id7=150&id8=136&id9=133&id10=134&id11=362&id12=135 |
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| 13:00.39 | Zorkman | edje2: ARMv5TE it seems |
| 13:00.43 | quickdev | Zorkman, does gpsd belong to gps-utils? |
| 13:01.20 | Zorkman | don't know exactly... i know you can just opkg install gpsd though |
| 13:01.24 | edje2 | Zorkman:yes, pitty. i would like to try it on this old beast before i buy a freerunner |
| 13:01.57 | Zorkman | edje2: maybe someone in your neighbourhood has a freerunner, you could just ask to play with it for a few hours :) |
| 13:02.19 | edje2 | they are thinspread i'd say ;-) |
| 13:02.45 | Zorkman | there are quite a lot of dutch people on this channel |
| 13:02.50 | Zorkman | (well, a few anyway :)) |
| 13:03.03 | Zorkman | I guess not far from delft there will be one |
| 13:03.07 | Zorkman | ;) |
| 13:03.30 | Zorkman | i'm in belgium myself... |
| 13:05.35 | edje2 | well, acording to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko-supported_hardware it is a kind of supported ! |
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| 13:06.40 | Zorkman | what are you waiting for? :p |
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| 13:07.11 | edje2 | time? .... |
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| 13:08.49 | edje2 | perhasp we could tap in on the gps device and find the nearest freerunner ;-) |
| 13:09.25 | ecraven | tangogps sort of supports that |
| 13:09.33 | ecraven | just add all openmoko users as your friends :) |
| 13:09.50 | beni_ | what is the "kernel command line"? |
| 13:09.52 | Zorkman | :) |
| 13:10.01 | beni_ | where to set environment for uboot? |
| 13:11.14 | ecraven | beni_: the kernel gets a list of parameters when it is loaded |
| 13:11.20 | ecraven | you can customize all manner of things there |
| 13:11.30 | ecraven | you set this on the nand/nor boot command line |
| 13:11.48 | bumbl | i don't really like tangogps, it lacks a good map rendering/displaying function and it can't do navigation |
| 13:11.58 | bumbl | i must have a look at pylgrim and navit |
| 13:12.16 | Zorkman | bumbl: if you find an up to date version of navit, let me know :) |
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| 13:12.50 | ecraven | you can access that with neocon or cu or minicom or any other terminal emulator by starting the neo to the nand/nor boot, then use neocon/cu/minicom to connect |
| 13:13.03 | ecraven | bumbl: navit is ok, but slow |
| 13:13.09 | Zorkman | ecraven: is there a way to see the names of the poeple in tangogps? |
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| 13:14.08 | ecraven | bumbl: pylgrim doesn't do routing though, does it? |
| 13:14.15 | ecraven | Zorkman: no idea, i've never used that "feature" |
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| 13:14.20 | bumbl | no pylgrim doesn't do routing |
| 13:14.22 | ecraven | but there must be some kind of username/handle |
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| 13:15.07 | Zorkman | ecraven: just wondering, does it show everyone with tangogps running, or only people with a freerunner? |
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| 13:15.31 | bumbl | Zorkman: haven't found an up to date version; I will compile it tomorrow or the day after tomorrow |
| 13:16.16 | ecraven | Zorkman: it shows your "friends" |
| 13:16.17 | bumbl | Zorkman: I think everyone with tangogps running who is added as your friend and is logged in |
| 13:16.29 | ecraven | you have to create an account, then log in |
| 13:16.52 | ecraven | bumbl: compiling works well on debian, not sure about all the dependencies under angström |
| 13:17.12 | Zorkman | I created an account but haven added anybody as a friend but i still see a lot of people |
| 13:17.24 | bumbl | ecraven: I think all the dependencies are in oe |
| 13:17.43 | beni_ | ecraven: i know but i dont know how exactly this works |
| 13:17.51 | beni_ | i need to overwrite bootcmd, right? |
| 13:17.56 | quickdev | has anyone tried navit on the freerunner yet? |
| 13:18.38 | Zorkman | quickdev: I tried it, but not the routing part |
| 13:18.39 | bumbl | I hope that pylgrim displays the maps better; they seem get corrupted after you move out of the area (using offline data; e.g. while taking a ride on your bicycle) and then you have to get it redraw |
| 13:19.06 | quickdev | Zorkman, does the displaying of osm work? |
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| 13:19.10 | Zorkman | bumbl: if you compile it, can you please also add libgarmin (http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Garmin_maps) se we can use garmin maps?. |
| 13:19.21 | Zorkman | quickdev: haven't tried anything with maps on navit |
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| 13:22.33 | ecraven | quickdev: yes, even the routing part. rather slow, but works |
| 13:22.52 | ecraven | bumbl: how is pylgrim different than tangogps? |
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| 13:24.29 | bumbl | it was written on a weekend; is python and seems to focus on the necessary things (i have not tried it yet, you can have a look at the code and screenshots @ www.neo1973-germany.de) |
| 13:26.45 | bumbl | Zorkman: yes I will try; I will get my laptop back tomorrow; + 1 day setting up gentoo and the openmoko toolchain again; so expect it on wednesday or thursday |
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| 13:28.11 | edje2 | bumbl: what can i expect from openmoko on gentoo? is it just for compiling code or can it be a "virtual phone" |
| 13:28.27 | bumbl | ? |
| 13:28.48 | bumbl | you can compile qemu to start openmoko images on gentoo |
| 13:29.01 | bumbl | you can install gentoo on your freerunner |
| 13:29.30 | ecraven | hehe, now *that* seems excessive |
| 13:29.39 | bumbl | which is one thing i will do as soon as i have a bigger sd card and more spare time |
| 13:29.56 | edje2 | if i use qemu and start the openmoko images, i will get the saem look and feel as with the device itself? |
| 13:30.05 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 13:30.06 | edje2 | same* |
| 13:30.10 | SpeedEvil | But much, much slower. |
| 13:30.32 | edje2 | ah, great, i already run qemu for other apps, so i want to try that |
| 13:30.38 | Zorkman | edje2: it also only emulates gta01 devices |
| 13:31.01 | edje2 | because there are only gta01 images available ? |
| 13:31.21 | ecraven | no, because it only emulates gta01 hardware |
| 13:31.47 | edje2 | ah, right which is armxyz? |
| 13:32.32 | ecraven | i think the main problem are all the gps/gsm/accel/... devices |
| 13:33.20 | beni_ | is 1.90 MB/sec for writing on SDHC aceptable? |
| 13:33.49 | bumbl | beni_: no |
| 13:33.51 | SpeedEvil | benJIman: that's what you get on your FR? |
| 13:33.58 | SpeedEvil | beni_: |
| 13:34.10 | beni_ | what should be expected? |
| 13:34.26 | Zorkman | anybody running epiano? it doesn't launch |
| 13:34.32 | bumbl | I read a test an hour ago, telling that the card reader of the eee 901 gets around 16 MB/s |
| 13:34.40 | Zorkman | ah, now it does, it's just damn slow :) |
| 13:34.43 | ieatlint | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu#What_hardware_is_supported_2 says qemu will emulate gta02 hardware |
| 13:35.05 | beni_ | i cant believe that card is so damn slow. |
| 13:35.06 | ieatlint | although, the wifi will only show as a device, but be unusable |
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| 13:35.22 | bumbl | so it depends, do you use the freerunner? or a card reader |
| 13:35.39 | bumbl | if you use the freerunner: usb 1.0 limits the speed |
| 13:36.14 | beni_ | no, freerunner, but internal card |
| 13:36.18 | beni_ | so usb is not an issue |
| 13:36.33 | beni_ | did a dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/card/foo |
| 13:36.37 | Zorkman | the bus speed is only 7MB/s, so it will never exceed this |
| 13:37.00 | Zorkman | and the glamo also uses this bus |
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| 13:37.17 | SpeedEvil | beni_: what about the other way\/. |
| 13:37.35 | ecraven | so kill X, then test :) |
| 13:38.00 | beni_ | SpeedEvil: what other way? |
| 13:38.20 | beni_ | i had to set down the clock of the sd reader to get the card working |
| 13:38.31 | SpeedEvil | beni_: reading |
| 13:38.48 | beni_ | not tested |
| 13:38.52 | beni_ | i will test. |
| 13:38.58 | beni_ | hm how to test.... |
| 13:39.13 | ecraven | cat /media/card/foo > /dev/null |
| 13:39.31 | beni_ | i boot and test then |
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| 13:42.36 | Zorkman | one of the craziest presentations about the freerunner: http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/openmoko-free-your-phone.pdf |
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| 13:43.05 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra03ec3bf2c01 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [exposure] Bump up the reversion of exposure to 65 |
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| 13:44.48 | edje2 | ieatlint: the qemu homepage only mentions it emulates a arm procesor. not a word about which version of arm processors |
| 13:45.23 | edje2 | beni_: what filesystem are you using on the SD card ? |
| 13:46.06 | quickdev | Zorkman, did you do mapping with potlatch or josm? |
| 13:46.16 | beni_ | vfat currently |
| 13:46.23 | Zorkman | quickdev: i tried both |
| 13:46.29 | beni_ | the card is factory default |
| 13:46.33 | ieatlint | edje2, wiki points to a patch for the kernel to get the extra hardware emulators working .. "If a normal OpenMoko kernel is used under Neo FreeRunner emulator, it will simply run as if the machine was a GTA01 and not detect any of the new peripherals. " |
| 13:47.21 | edje2 | ieatlint: nice, could be worth the effort to try it |
| 13:47.23 | ecraven | Zorkman: very nice presentation ;) |
| 13:48.00 | linuxxee | key_mgmt=NONE does this need to be set to HEX or ASCII or not on this wpa_supplicant.conf? |
| 13:48.07 | ieatlint | someone should fix the grammar there.. should be "if the machine were a GTA01" ... :P |
| 13:48.21 | ecraven | linuxxee: iirc it should be WEP/WPA/WPA2 |
| 13:48.39 | linuxxee | ok |
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| 13:49.05 | ieatlint | no |
| 13:49.07 | linuxxee | one of the above correct? |
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| 13:49.17 | ieatlint | key_mgmt is set only if you use a version of WPA |
| 13:49.29 | linuxxee | ok then wpa |
| 13:49.30 | ieatlint | for WEP, it is set to NONE |
| 13:50.00 | Zorkman | ecraven: it's not mine! |
| 13:50.01 | linuxxee | so i should use wep? |
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| 13:50.15 | dns53 | you can break wep in 30 seconds |
| 13:50.16 | linuxxee | lint |
| 13:50.22 | linuxxee | oo |
| 13:50.24 | linuxxee | no |
| 13:50.26 | ieatlint | yeah, wep is bad |
| 13:50.28 | ieatlint | wpa better |
| 13:50.38 | ieatlint | you want WPA-PSK methinks |
| 13:50.43 | ieatlint | so set it to WPA-PSK |
| 13:50.45 | linuxxee | so set that var. to wpa |
| 13:50.51 | linuxxee | ok |
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| 13:51.24 | ieatlint | then set psk="yourpass" |
| 13:51.42 | ieatlint | and look at the wpa_passphrase command if you don't want your pass saved as plaintext |
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| 13:55.19 | bumbl | dns53: depends on your hardware; when I tested wep at my ap it took me 2 min to get the key |
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| 13:57.00 | linuxxr | dangit i restarted me router an missed my tutorial scavaging chance |
| 13:57.07 | dns53 | well the maths say you have a 50/50 chance to guess it after 30 seconds, so it could take a few tries |
| 13:58.16 | linuxxr | is it ok to change the root password -correct? |
| 13:58.48 | linuxxr | before i turn on wifi |
| 13:59.21 | dns53 | you can change the root password all you like, nothing uses it except ssh |
| 14:00.09 | bumbl | wep sucks; but i think you cant crack a wep network with mac filter and no clients associated |
| 14:00.51 | dns53 | untill a single packet is sent |
| 14:01.43 | bumbl | dns53: yes data package |
| 14:02.01 | bumbl | but without clients no data packages |
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| 14:05.52 | ecraven | ah, but what use is a network without clients.. |
| 14:06.05 | dingman | I could swear I've seen a page with directions on how to install a new image on a FreeRunner somewhere in the Wiki, but can't find it now. Anyone have a pointer? |
| 14:06.21 | ecraven | search for dfu-util |
| 14:06.31 | linuxxr | <ieatlint> and look at the wpa_passphrase command if you don't want your pass saved as plaintex |
| 14:06.50 | linuxxr | i dont understand this part |
| 14:07.03 | ieatlint | well, there is supposed to be a t at the end |
| 14:07.12 | linuxxr | loolol |
| 14:07.37 | ecraven | <*g*> plain TeX is great, though |
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| 14:07.51 | linuxxr | so issue that command instead of putting it in the supplinant.conf? |
| 14:08.12 | ieatlint | http://linux.die.net/man/8/wpa_passphrase |
| 14:08.30 | ecraven | linuxxr: wpa_passphrase encodes your password (with your essid) |
| 14:08.43 | ecraven | so you can put that into supplicant.conf instead of the plaintext password |
| 14:09.42 | ieatlint | probably not the strongest encryption, but it prevents the average person from simply looking at your wpa_supplicant.conf to see your password |
| 14:10.40 | ieatlint | heh, of course you could just steal the encrypted password and put it in your wpa_supplicant.conf methinks |
| 14:11.56 | linuxxr | scan_ssid=1 is this the channel? |
| 14:12.02 | ecraven | no |
| 14:12.21 | ecraven | you can use this to automatically connect to a network on startup |
| 14:12.24 | ieatlint | you don't need to set the channel, it'll find it |
| 14:13.06 | linuxxr | i think i have it |
| 14:14.13 | linuxxr | all i needed to change from the sample wpa_supplicant.conf from the wiki is wpa2 correct? |
| 14:14.43 | ieatlint | the wiki gives examples of all the encryption types |
| 14:15.59 | ieatlint | if you put down "pairwise=CCMP TKIP" (which is the default value -- it'll be this if you don't specify), it'll try CCMP and then TKIP |
| 14:16.49 | Zorkman | for the FSO users: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/updates/ |
| 14:17.19 | linuxxr | http://pastebin.com/d590962f9 |
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| 14:17.46 | linuxxr | does that look ok? |
| 14:18.39 | ieatlint | uhm, well, you have the same network set to like 4 different types of encryption and to no encryption at all |
| 14:18.59 | linuxxr | mang im a noob |
| 14:19.05 | ieatlint | is your AP using wpa, wep or no encryption? |
| 14:19.17 | linuxxr | so remove all but the wpa2? |
| 14:19.57 | ieatlint | do "iwlist eth0 scan" and find the cell that has your essid |
| 14:20.02 | linuxxr | it is set to wpa-psk |
| 14:20.33 | ieatlint | ok, then yeah, delete all but the "wpa2" one |
| 14:20.57 | ieatlint | if it's wpa/tkip ("wpa"), it'll work |
| 14:21.10 | linuxxr | ok |
| 14:23.16 | ieatlint | i would delete the proto line too |
| 14:23.37 | ieatlint | it'll default to "RSN WPA" (thus, trying RSN, and falling back to WPA if it doesn't work) |
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| 14:25.07 | ieatlint | if you have ssid, psk and key_mgmt set (only) in the network block, you'll be fine |
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| 14:26.17 | ecraven | isn't there a /etc/network that is much easier to set up than wpa_supplicant? |
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| 14:29.06 | ieatlint | ecraven, wpa_supplicant isn't all too difficult really... the wiki is just overly verbose |
| 14:29.17 | linuxxr | an im a noob |
| 14:29.28 | CVirus | What is the name of that german venomous insect that is very common in germany ? |
| 14:29.30 | GirlRiver | sorry if this is a noob question, I have the following 'ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.248' would this prevent me from seeing other machines on my network from the neo ? |
| 14:29.52 | ieatlint | it should be "Do you have WPA? Okay, set these 3 settings" ... "Do you have WEP? Okay, set these.." |
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| 14:30.24 | ieatlint | this whole wpa versus wpa2 thing is fine, if you feel like setting it... but leaving default values is simpler, really |
| 14:30.56 | GirlRiver | I can see the desktop I am connected to 192.168.0.4 and also the internet but not other machines like 192.168.0.3 or 192.168.0.102 |
| 14:31.14 | linuxxr | set youe /etc/resolv.conf on the freerunner to match the one(first one if there more) on your box |
| 14:31.23 | linuxxr | o |
| 14:31.29 | linuxxr | i shut up |
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| 14:32.00 | GirlRiver | linuxxr, was that for me? |
| 14:32.17 | linuxxr | yes |
| 14:32.19 | ieatlint | GirlRiver, what are you trying to do? |
| 14:32.46 | edje2 | GirlRiver: the mask you are using is for subnet 192.168.0.200 |
| 14:33.35 | GirlRiver | I want my neo to see all of my network not just my host machine 192.168.0.200 (192.168.0.4) |
| 14:34.06 | GirlRiver | so if I chnage the mask to 255.255.255.0 it should see all ? |
| 14:34.11 | edje2 | GirlRiver: what is the netmask for the other computers? |
| 14:34.49 | GirlRiver | they all have 255.255.255.0 |
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| 14:35.27 | edje2 | GirlRiver: i don;t think so, i think you should use a diffrent subnet (ex 192.168.1.xyz) and use your workstation as a router |
| 14:36.17 | linuxxr | what if shes already has a router |
| 14:36.28 | linuxxr | as it appears |
| 14:36.34 | edje2 | GirlRiver: i assume that the 192.168.0.xyz/24 addresses are the ethernet addresses? |
| 14:37.11 | GirlRiver | edje2, care to elaborate ? I currently have routers 192.168.0.1 with wan connection and 192.168.0.2 providing wifi but not NAT, all other devices are 192.168.0.3 etc... all the way to some in 192.168.0.100 for things like my NAS |
| 14:37.52 | ieatlint | you're best off using wifi to talk to the other machines then |
| 14:37.55 | GirlRiver | when you say ethernet you mean cabled ? |
| 14:38.12 | ieatlint | routing through the machine you connect it via usb will be tedious affair |
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| 14:38.54 | edje2 | GirlRiver: yes, i mean ethernet as cabled and you seem to have an usb connection between the phone and your computer |
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| 14:39.36 | edje2 | like: phone ---usb---- workstation== ethernet == router --- {} internet |
| 14:39.51 | GirlRiver | correct, only just got that going so sounds like I'm best to tackle wifi next and I'll see my network like other machines |
| 14:40.25 | edje2 | i think so yes. it should be possible with usb too, but it is more complicated |
| 14:40.59 | ieatlint | yeah, with the usb and wifi interfaces being on the same subnet though, it will be even weirder |
| 14:41.19 | GirlRiver | technically phone ---usb --- laptop == wifi == router == ethernet == router -- {} internet |
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| 14:41.47 | edje2 | ( to elaborate some more, the usb network should be a diffrent subnet then the ethernet subnet. your workstation would then route between the usb subnet and the ethernet subnet) |
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| 14:42.30 | GirlRiver | I see so w a limiting to 192.168.0.200 for the usb link |
| 14:42.40 | GirlRiver | w a = we are |
| 14:42.52 | ieatlint | which can be accomplished either by changing the ip address of the usb interface on the phone and laptop to something else (eg, 10.0.0.xyz) or setting the subnet mask for the usb interfaces on the phone and laptop to 255.255.255.255 |
| 14:43.27 | ieatlint | err, wait, forget the subnet mask |
| 14:43.33 | ieatlint | that would work for the default route, heh |
| 14:43.50 | GirlRiver | got it. So next up I'll get my wireless going on the neo with wep but too late here now to embark on that one... thanks to everyone |
| 14:44.04 | edje2 | yer welcome! |
| 14:44.22 | ieatlint | yeah, do that, you're most likely to succeed on that route |
| 14:44.37 | GirlRiver | I'm currently on the qtopia stack |
| 14:44.51 | ecraven | hm.. we need gnucash on the neo :) |
| 14:45.03 | ieatlint | the complicated side of networking is where you want to break something in frustration and confusion |
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| 14:46.01 | linuxxr | yup im still not connected ineed to go over the wiki |
| 14:46.31 | GirlRiver | anyone here know what the package management and procedure is for qtopia stack or is that pretty much locked into trolltech releases ? |
| 14:46.49 | ieatlint | linuxxr, try running "wpa_cli" with no options |
| 14:47.03 | GirlRiver | I mean I have qtopia running, but assuming opkg and the like does not apply |
| 14:47.03 | ieatlint | it will start printing out status info |
| 14:47.10 | ieatlint | (type "status" for some extra info) |
| 14:47.38 | ieatlint | linuxxr, also, remember wpa_supplicant only connects you to the network -- you still need to set an ip address, likely using udhcpc |
| 14:47.46 | GirlRiver | anyway, I'm off to bed 1am here in au. thanks to all |
| 14:47.54 | linuxxr | ok |
| 14:48.18 | ieatlint | GirlRiver, opkg is extra packages, the qtopia stack itself is locked by trolltech |
| 14:48.42 | ieatlint | qtopia does have a package management system, but seemingly no repositories from which to get/update packages |
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| 14:49.05 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 14:49.22 | linuxxr | Could not connect to wpa_supplicant - re-trying |
| 14:49.23 | Zorkman | aaaaaaaaargh matey |
| 14:49.33 | linuxxr | ok |
| 14:50.11 | ieatlint | PBeck, you'd have best brought some rum with that attitude |
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| 14:51.19 | GirlRiver | sorry last silly question.. how do I put my qtopia to sleep o'nite but wake on alarm |
| 14:51.38 | ieatlint | GirlRiver, qtopia doesn't so much suppport suspend/sleep |
| 14:51.57 | ieatlint | but if you go to the clock, it does have an alarm setting ... but i'm not sure i'd trust it without testing it |
| 14:51.58 | PBeck | ieatlint: why? |
| 14:52.32 | GirlRiver | ieatlint, so will the battery last till morning ? |
| 14:52.48 | ieatlint | maybe |
| 14:52.53 | ieatlint | leave it plugged in |
| 14:52.55 | GirlRiver | I can always be safe and take the usb charger with me |
| 14:53.02 | GirlRiver | k, cheers |
| 14:53.06 | ieatlint | if it does survive, it'll be low |
| 14:53.42 | PBeck | ieatlint: ahoi is a german greeting |
| 14:54.04 | ieatlint | actually it's a dutch greeting that you stoll |
| 14:54.06 | ieatlint | stole |
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| 14:54.50 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rb5867834b4e4 10/conf/machine/om-gta01.conf: [om-gta01] make sure g-ether is in image |
| 14:54.51 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rf6a43421f62a 10/conf/machine/om-gta02.conf: [om-gta02] we have large flash so load all modules |
| 14:54.51 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rf9e2e8486702 10/packages/tasks/task-base.bb: [task-base] increment PR after modules changes |
| 14:54.52 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rb3eae6c00575 10/packages/linux/ (3 files): [linux-openmoko] clean up the recipes |
| 14:54.53 | ieatlint | thieving bastards... however appropriate the maritime and pirate connotations associated with the word in english |
| 14:55.17 | XorA | Yaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 14:55.33 | donomo | which image does 'org.openmoko.dev' apply to? |
| 14:55.42 | XorA | donomo: buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 14:55.44 | DocScrutinizer | XorA: ??? ;-) |
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| 14:55.49 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: Just put in everything. The flash is big enough for it. ;) |
| 14:55.56 | donomo | XorA: i mean is that a checkin for FSO, 2007.2? |
| 14:56.14 | XorA | stefan_schmidt: Im fedup of arguing with kernel team |
| 14:56.29 | XorA | stefan_schmidt: that change will never go to OE anyway |
| 14:56.47 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: I can imagine |
| 14:57.25 | XorA | 5.6M for all modules |
| 14:57.26 | stefan_schmidt | As long as it is not fedora it will be wrong anyway. ;) |
| 14:58.20 | PBeck | ahoi has his beginning in the english word => ahoy |
| 14:59.20 | ieatlint | ah, yes, i am wrong :( |
| 14:59.37 | ieatlint | stupid middle english |
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| 15:00.40 | PBeck | i wait for my freerunner :) |
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| 15:04.05 | linuxxr | ifup: duplicate interface "eth0" |
| 15:04.13 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.30 | zash | linuxxr: check /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:08.52 | linuxxr | ok |
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| 15:11.45 | linuxxr | http://pastebin.com/m20e59709 |
| 15:12.09 | zash | # |
| 15:12.10 | zash | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 15:12.15 | zash | two of those |
| 15:12.19 | linuxxr | o |
| 15:12.25 | zash | #15-16 |
| 15:12.33 | linuxxr | ok |
| 15:12.40 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:12.44 | linuxxr | thanks |
| 15:12.47 | linuxxr | im a noob |
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| 15:15.23 | linuxxr | Invalid configuration line 'l_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant'. |
| 15:15.49 | baird | Hmm.. The FR LED signals wiki article is getting about 30 hits a day.. unfortunately, the information I put on it is practically hearsay. :/ |
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| 15:18.35 | linuxxr | http://pastebin.com/m6dce355 |
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| 15:22.33 | zash | linuxxr: i would guess at line 16 |
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| 15:22.42 | zash | linuxxr: and whats with al the ~-lines |
| 15:22.50 | zash | linuxxr: vim? |
| 15:22.56 | fspde | hey linuxxr, i think that your theory with the offset SIM contacts does not apply in general. I have such a SIM by myself and although the contacts are offset, they match the phone-contacts |
| 15:23.46 | fspde | made a picture http://picasaweb.google.com/mahnkef/FR/photo#5230679731819690498 |
| 15:23.58 | Flinx | I'm baaaaaaaaaaaack!!! |
| 15:24.38 | Flinx | so how is everyone doing? |
| 15:25.46 | fspde | quite well Flinx, where have you been? |
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| 15:26.52 | Flinx | having a weekend. |
| 15:27.13 | Flinx | and watching the mail so that i can get my FR faster. |
| 15:27.55 | Flinx | I think my next task is to set up my Debian so that i can do things with it. |
| 15:28.01 | fspde | so staring at your inbox makes your FR arrive faster? :) |
| 15:28.15 | Flinx | yes |
| 15:28.17 | ronny | moin |
| 15:28.21 | fspde | moin ronny |
| 15:28.41 | Flinx | I'm using all of my Willpower so that Koolu sends it overnight ;) |
| 15:28.45 | ronny | how are the plans for the pim-suite to have a real sync to pim-suites on a pc ? |
| 15:29.22 | fspde | willpower is strong though, maybe you can use it, to make my boss pay me more money? |
| 15:29.27 | linuxxr | some are fully offset where as others are not offset near so far |
| 15:29.29 | ronny | and what the heck am i missing with the latest dev-images (trying to install agpsui/tangogps both result in errors) ? |
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| 15:30.04 | fspde | ronny, installing gpsd did it for me |
| 15:30.11 | linuxxr | if the tab touches the contact its wrong |
| 15:30.48 | zash | fspde: why does it look like theres 4 rows of contacts on the phone |
| 15:31.08 | linuxxr | does line 16 need backed up or what? |
| 15:31.11 | fspde | linuxxr, if you watched my picture, you'd noticed, the the tab is indeed touching the contact. so i taped it. but nevertheless, the contacts are in a right position |
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| 15:31.40 | linuxxr | link me to the pic |
| 15:31.53 | linuxxr | is it stable now? |
| 15:31.55 | fspde | zash, because there are 4 rows, the most right isn't used for gsm |
| 15:32.17 | fspde | linuxxr, link to the pic -> http://picasaweb.google.com/mahnkef/FR/photo#5230679731819690498 |
| 15:32.29 | linuxxr | well a centered sim fixed me |
| 15:32.31 | fspde | the sim doesn't work at all :( |
| 15:32.43 | zash | fspde: generic smartcardcontacts perhaps? |
| 15:32.45 | Flinx | thats really strange. |
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| 15:33.11 | Flinx | so you have to use tape before the sim will work? |
| 15:33.13 | fspde | zash, i don't know |
| 15:33.55 | fspde | no Flinx, i just wanted to show, that isolating the sim-holders tab from the sim doesn't solve the issue for me |
| 15:34.05 | linuxxr | looks to me like if u had a centered sim it would contact on the left 3 instead of on the right 3 |
| 15:34.19 | fspde | nope linuxxr |
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| 15:34.30 | linuxxr | ok i look at mine |
| 15:34.35 | fspde | i used a working sim from a friend of mine, the same rows are used |
| 15:34.47 | Zorkman | anybody got orrery working? |
| 15:35.31 | ronny | fspde: doesnt help here :/ |
| 15:35.54 | fspde | ronny, what does opkg say? |
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| 15:36.33 | ronny | fspde: # opkg install tangogps |
| 15:36.34 | ronny | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 15:36.44 | fspde | gnarf |
| 15:36.56 | zash | fspde: is the middle tab and the 1st from top left connected? |
| 15:37.34 | fspde | zash, what are you meaning by "tab"? do you mean the contacts of the sim card? |
| 15:37.39 | zash | yes |
| 15:38.12 | fspde | not in my other phone, where the SIM is working |
| 15:39.21 | fspde | and in the FR only the middle outer left contact was connected (to GND i think) by the card-holders tab, which i prevented by using the tape |
| 15:39.56 | fspde | ronny, may i query you? |
| 15:40.05 | ronny | fspde: sure |
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| 15:41.07 | zash | http://pinouts.ru/Memory/SmartCardIso_pinout.shtml |
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| 15:43.05 | fspde | hmm, so even if it was a 6-pin sim, the contact "4" is correctly connected to gnd |
| 15:43.46 | Flinx | silly question: is there a pinout for SIM cards? |
| 15:43.50 | zash | wasnt it something about diffrent voltages on the nonworking sims? |
| 15:43.54 | Flinx | or are they all pinned differently? |
| 15:44.02 | zash | Flinx: the link i pasted |
| 15:44.12 | Flinx | ... Yeah I just saw that.. god I feel blind >.< |
| 15:44.48 | UndrWater | can someone repaste that link? |
| 15:45.23 | zash | UndrWater: http://pinouts.ru/Memory/SmartCardIso_pinout.shtml |
| 15:45.28 | zash | UndrWater: that link? |
| 15:45.54 | UndrWater | zash: yep...thanks! :) |
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| 15:47.07 | fspde | yes zash, but the FR should be able to handle newer sim cards. that voltage-issue refers to ancient sims I think |
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| 15:47.38 | fspde | for example: the 5 year old sim of my friend works fine. mine (1 year old) does not |
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| 15:54.14 | opendeep | when installing opkg install -d card python-disutils, got Could not obtain administrative lock |
| 15:54.35 | fspde | linuxxr, what i wanted to say: I think the fact that your new SIM is working is just a coincedence, and not (only) because it is centered. Its just another clue though, and not the answer to all sim-related issues :( |
| 15:54.52 | Bubbi | why is there a difference from charging from a pc and the charger that comes with the freerunner..? I've just had it run out of battery, and couldn't get it to charge, when connecting it to the PC.. It started booting, but shut off half-way through.. But on the charger, it booted up as it should..? |
| 15:55.03 | fspde | opendeep, got another instance of opkg running? maybe in another shell? |
| 15:55.15 | Bubbi | I haven't been able to find anything about it on the wiki, but I might have been looking the wrong places |
| 15:55.47 | ronny | Bubbi: then your usb-port doesnt supply enough power |
| 15:56.05 | Zorkman | opendeep: you're probably running the ASU? and have used or are using assassin (the installer application) |
| 15:57.28 | Bubbi | ronny: It charges the neo just fine, when the neo's not fully discharged.. But maybe it only supplies 100mA, instead of the 500mA to do a fast charge |
| 15:58.04 | ronny | hmm |
| 15:58.30 | opendeep | fspde:how to check another instance? |
| 15:58.57 | UndrWater | Bubbi: that's what i've heard |
| 15:58.58 | ronny | is there any step-by-step howto for setting up the sdk? (i cant find it) |
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| 16:00.08 | Bubbi | well.. I'll just have to keep the charger close, if i'm going on long trips.. :) |
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| 16:00.18 | fspde | hmm, maybe in /var/lock/ there is a opkg...something... that need's to be removed in advanced. but that should also go away on reboot, if there is sth |
| 16:00.32 | Bubbi | and by a long trip, I mean a weekend out.. :D |
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| 16:01.56 | ronny | hmm, opkg install -nodeps doesnt ignore deps here :/ |
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| 16:02.12 | ronny | runs into gtk+ vs gtk+-fastscale issues |
| 16:02.27 | fspde | Bubbi, I think this relates to your problem -> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger#from_deep_discharged_battery |
| 16:04.02 | Bubbi | fspde: yeah, but I have tried to do it with my PC' |
| 16:04.23 | Bubbi | .... but it didn't work.. I even left it for the night.. not just a few minutes |
| 16:04.41 | Bubbi | But as soon as I plugged it into the wall-charger, it worked |
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| 16:05.17 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.41 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.48 | Sargun | heya, are all the debug boards compatible with all of the GTA0X hardware? |
| 16:06.02 | Bubbi | wow, a lot have been going on the few last days.. it's quite an update that you get when doing opkg update/upgrade.. :) |
| 16:06.06 | fspde | Bubbi, that is a kernel related issue I think. it only allows the phone to charge, when it's not deep discarged, and it's powered on and fully booted |
| 16:06.53 | fspde | vicious circle :) |
| 16:06.55 | abraxa_ | Sargun: Yes |
| 16:06.58 | Bubbi | fspde: yeah probably.. but according to the article, that you linked to. It should still charge from any USB host, if you just keep it there a few hours |
| 16:07.19 | Sargun | abraxa_, Cool, time to try out my debug board on my DE |
| 16:07.21 | fspde | so maybe the article is wrong for the freerunner |
| 16:07.49 | Bubbi | heh.. yeah, it's really some odd thing.. It needs to be charged to boot.. and to charge, it needs to be booted.. ehm.. damn |
| 16:08.01 | fspde | have you removed the battery for >= 20 secs? |
| 16:08.08 | Bubbi | yep.. |
| 16:08.14 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.27 | fspde | weird... but my motorola does act the same :) |
| 16:08.45 | Zorkman | Ban Spoonguard! |
| 16:10.45 | Flinx | davi: I didn't think that the WE phone actually had those apps on it yet :P |
| 16:11.17 | Quai | that page looks and feels like a scam :P |
| 16:11.36 | Flinx | fspde: Maybe the USB is only a trickle charge? |
| 16:11.51 | Bubbi | Flinx: It doesn't have skype yet.. it says so at the bottom of the page, heh |
| 16:12.12 | Flinx | Quai: Actually people have bought FR's from there. I recent;y ordered one so I don't think its a scam ;) |
| 16:12.19 | Flinx | But yeah it -looks- like one |
| 16:12.23 | davi | Flinx, Well it is interesting how they are already doing __MARKETING__ |
| 16:12.51 | Flinx | Bubbi: Ahh I didn't know. In either case im more interested in the hardware ;) |
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| 16:13.30 | Bubbi | :P aren't we all.. |
| 16:13.42 | davi | Flinx, Marketing = http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/07/first-openmoko.html |
| 16:13.44 | Flinx | davi: I know that they're already doing marketing, and when I get my phone I will telly ou if it shipped as they said |
| 16:13.45 | Bubbi | We can make the software.. but not the hardware.. |
| 16:13.50 | fspde | Flinx, that is a protective circuit (or software) of the carging controller of the FR i think. USB always delivers at least 100 mA current. asked or not :) |
| 16:14.13 | Flinx | fspde: I was just putting the idea out there. cause I dunno |
| 16:14.29 | Flinx | fspde: but you would think that it works eh? |
| 16:14.49 | Flinx | and davi: let me get the email from Koolu about what it actually comes with ;) |
| 16:14.58 | Flinx | because I did email them |
| 16:15.19 | davi | Flinx, Take care: I see it as a Debian versus Ubuntu case. Ubuntu is just a Debian parasite. |
| 16:15.47 | davi | Ubuntu does marketing and get the market. |
| 16:16.02 | fspde | it's too hot in here, i can't focus, sorry, no offense :) |
| 16:17.19 | fspde | is goin to hunt some food |
| 16:17.54 | ronny | hmm, where did the agpsui package go ? (i cant find it in the repos) |
| 16:18.05 | Zorkman | can anyone build orrery? (https://projects.openmoko.org/projects/orrery/) i thought i would be able to build int on the freerunner but seems like i cant... |
| 16:18.19 | Zorkman | make: /build/tmp/cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/gcc: Command not found |
| 16:18.23 | Flinx | joins fspde |
| 16:20.04 | torpor | yo |
| 16:20.10 | torpor | whats up mutts? |
| 16:21.05 | Bubbi | you are :) |
| 16:21.14 | torpor | yup |
| 16:21.23 | rooly | is there any java on the FR? |
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| 16:22.56 | jancona | rooly: I've been able to get a simple app to run on the emulator using Jalimo |
| 16:23.36 | jancona | I don't have a real FR :-( |
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| 16:24.12 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.41 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.37 | Flinx | jancona: as of a few days ago Koolu had stock of the North American FR's |
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| 16:29.26 | linuxxr | ofcourse i was right the 3 contacts DO in fact contact the left 3 sim contacts |
| 16:30.42 | jancona | Flinx: Tnx, I saw that, but I'm in the US and am not sure I want to order from Canada |
| 16:30.49 | linuxxr | when u insert the correct sim the contacts switch to the other 3 lolololol |
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| 16:31.17 | linuxxr | so enough with the wrongness |
| 16:32.00 | Flinx | ah |
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| 16:32.32 | Flinx | I did it cause i didn't want to wait 6-8 weeks ;) |
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| 16:33.15 | Zorkman | is it possible to mount a folder to /media/card? |
| 16:33.20 | jancona | Don't blame you. Have you gotten it yet? |
| 16:33.32 | Flinx | not yet |
| 16:33.37 | Flinx | probably today or tomorrow |
| 16:33.47 | Flinx | I only ordered it last... Thursday |
| 16:34.22 | jancona | Cool. Maybe that's the way to go. |
| 16:34.35 | Flinx | *nods* |
| 16:34.50 | Flinx | I know that someone else on here from last Thursday did the same thing |
| 16:35.04 | jancona | I have to sell my wife on the idea of a new $400 toy, too. :) |
| 16:35.08 | Flinx | which is what make me feel better about ordering. But i can let you know when I get mine |
| 16:35.10 | Flinx | LOL! |
| 16:35.25 | Flinx | tell her its not a toy? |
| 16:35.50 | jancona | She's not that easily fooled... |
| 16:35.50 | Flinx | "it's a mobile device that will allow you to promote open development" |
| 16:35.50 | Zorkman | jancona: you can programm the vibrator |
| 16:35.56 | Flinx | LOL!!!! |
| 16:36.02 | Flinx | dies |
| 16:36.39 | jancona | Zorkman: LOL, I like that. |
| 16:37.18 | jancona | Might want to get a peripheral tho... |
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| 16:39.33 | linuxxr | wpa_supplicant: /usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start |
| 16:40.12 | torpor | ssh root@moko |
| 16:40.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4579 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/source/ (miscellaneous_calculator.png unknown_calculator.png): [thumbnails] fix the wrong name |
| 16:40.50 | torpor | cool idea for an app: vibrator attached to the accelerometers. |
| 16:41.03 | torpor | so the more you waggle the freerunner, the harder it vibrates. |
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| 16:43.37 | Flinx | lol!!! |
| 16:44.04 | Flinx | That'd be popular with the ladies ;) |
| 16:44.35 | linuxxr | http://pastebin.com/m16a13e6b |
| 16:45.19 | linuxxr | help me ive fallen an cant get up |
| 16:46.24 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4580 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/result/thumbnail.eet: update the new thumbnail |
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| 16:50.23 | N-Mi | en bas |
| 16:50.29 | N-Mi | oups |
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| 16:51.49 | Flinx | ai am away! |
| 16:52.03 | Bubbi | torpor: there's just one little thing.. once the neo then goes into vibrator mode, it automatically affects the accelerometers, and thus making it go faster and faster from the first second.. :D But yeah, the ladies would love it.. heh |
| 16:52.22 | Flinx | *snickering* |
| 16:52.30 | Flinx | someone should put this on Bash.org :P |
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| 17:02.30 | summatusmentis | oh god... I feel like that'd potentially ruin a good neo |
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| 17:05.57 | torpor | Bubbi: could just use histeresis to sort that out .. |
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| 17:08.43 | trix | are there opkg repos for FSO or is it still milestone releases |
| 17:09.37 | fabian2de | Hey Guys! Anybody there, who can help me getting QEmu to run on Mac OS X Leopard? Following the tutorial from wiki didn't make it... desperately looking for help! |
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| 17:12.04 | peter__b | trix: iirc there was something about fso feeds on the ml today |
| 17:12.22 | wurp2|working | trix: If you install a milestone release, you'll get the opkg repos in /etc/opkg/... |
| 17:13.23 | stevenSn | older versions of the ASU had an option on the keyboard to switch to "full qwerty" or numeric, I build from asu.dev yesterday and this seems to have gone away. Has anyone else experienced this? |
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| 17:14.45 | peter__b | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Keyboard_Toggle |
| 17:16.13 | fspde | hey linuxxr, got a sec? |
| 17:16.19 | linuxxr | wat |
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| 17:16.53 | linuxxr | im messing with gps |
| 17:17.01 | fspde | did you say, that your new (working) sim is contacting the 3 rows on the RIGHT side? |
| 17:17.03 | El_Senator | offtopic: woohoo, my Eee is on its way |
| 17:17.33 | stevenSn | peter__b: I think those instructions refer to the "show keyboard on demand" , I thought the keyboard style selector was in a different place, however as per the discussion comment on the page the instructions don't seem to work anymore |
| 17:17.57 | peter__b | oh |
| 17:18.06 | linuxxr | looking at your pic an looking at my holder yes it uses the opsite side of the contacts |
| 17:18.19 | peter__b | you can switch the keyboards by scrolling with your finger |
| 17:18.34 | linuxxr | i mean a diff set of contacts |
| 17:18.58 | fspde | hmm, alright, i'll try to rasp some plastic material off my sim, so that i can contact them too, maybe this works :) |
| 17:19.09 | linuxxr | send me that pic link again |
| 17:19.18 | linuxxr | no |
| 17:19.24 | fspde | http://picasaweb.google.com/mahnkef/FR/photo#5230679731819690498 |
| 17:19.25 | linuxxr | change the sim |
| 17:19.26 | stevenSn | peter__b: ahh I see. thanks |
| 17:19.52 | fspde | changing sim is not as easy and not for free where i live |
| 17:20.03 | linuxxr | at&t? |
| 17:20.06 | fspde | nope |
| 17:20.10 | linuxxr | o |
| 17:20.18 | peter__b | stevenSn: the toogle "trick" is also working again |
| 17:20.25 | linuxxr | where are u? |
| 17:20.32 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6d3850c17099 10/ (23 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Rename from diversity-maps-* to om-maps-* |
| 17:20.32 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9b9433610ee9 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin-thumbnail] Bump up the reversion of assassin-thumnail to 4580 |
| 17:20.50 | fspde | if i mess up the SIM i can get a new one anyway, so why not trying it |
| 17:21.02 | doc|home | lpotter: you said something about qbuild to me, what was that about? |
| 17:21.11 | fspde | i'm from germany |
| 17:21.14 | linuxxr | ok |
| 17:21.18 | linuxxr | ic\ |
| 17:21.23 | fspde | :) |
| 17:21.39 | stevenSn | peter__b: by toggle "trick" you mean changing freerunner.edc to hide/show the keyboard on demand? |
| 17:22.00 | doc|home | hmmm, anyone managed to get wifi working via qtopia's interface? |
| 17:22.11 | peter__b | stevenSn: yo |
| 17:22.26 | Flinx | back |
| 17:22.56 | doc|home | front |
| 17:26.35 | Flinx | dude.. wtf... I'm banned from #debian :( |
| 17:27.49 | CVirus | hehe |
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| 17:28.01 | CVirus | Flinx: what did you do ? |
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| 17:29.25 | Flinx | I don't know |
| 17:29.42 | Flinx | >.> |
| 17:30.11 | Flinx | *sigh* This is off topic for here, but would any of you happen to know how to change a root password from a script? |
| 17:30.49 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r4f207219a90d 10/tools/ (makedoc.py style.xml): makedoc: add style |
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| 17:35.26 | abraxa_ | Flinx: There's an init script on the gentoo live CDs that does that, maybe you have one around to look at it |
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| 17:42.22 | Zorkman | is there an gui to edit speaker volume? (except alsamixer) |
| 17:45.08 | fspde | SIM card does not work after hardware-hack :( |
| 17:45.44 | Flinx | how many SIM cards have proven to work? |
| 17:45.48 | fspde | ...with FR, so the other three contact-rows are not helping either |
| 17:45.53 | fspde | about 10 i think |
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| 17:46.04 | doc|home | Zorkman: which distro? |
| 17:46.08 | fspde | for me personally |
| 17:46.09 | Flinx | I saw that on the Wiki |
| 17:46.27 | Flinx | but 10 seemd like such a low number that I wasnt sure if it was up to date |
| 17:46.39 | Zorkman | doc|home: 2007.2 |
| 17:46.57 | doc|home | no idea then, sorry |
| 17:47.08 | Zorkman | for which distro is there one? |
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| 17:47.19 | doc|home | qtopia, but even there the volume kinda sucks |
| 17:47.32 | doc|home | e.g. it's highly unlikely the alarm will ever wake me |
| 17:47.41 | doc|home | and call volume is terrible |
| 17:47.56 | doc|home | found it very hard to hear a caller in a cafe yesterday |
| 17:48.03 | doc|home | forget about being on the street with traffic passing |
| 17:48.12 | doc|home | must try alsamixer |
| 17:48.53 | cga | hi all |
| 17:49.03 | fspde | hi cga |
| 17:49.11 | cga | my FR deleted many of my contacts from the SIM card :( |
| 17:49.13 | Zorkman | thats one of the things i don't understand... this looks likes the most important thing they had to fix before shipping the _phone_ |
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| 17:49.57 | doc|home | Zorkman: one of :/ |
| 17:49.58 | linuxxr | yup |
| 17:50.58 | Flinx | Zorkman: which thing? |
| 17:51.04 | bumbl | cga: it didn't delete it |
| 17:51.10 | lindi- | just lost all today's GPS tracks to /var/tmp being on tmpfs and openmoko rebooting :P |
| 17:51.12 | bumbl | it just does not show them |
| 17:51.16 | lindi- | +thanks |
| 17:51.21 | cga | bumbl, how can i show them? |
| 17:51.27 | bumbl | use a different image |
| 17:51.39 | bumbl | you are using 2007.2 i think? |
| 17:51.42 | Flinx | cga: are you trying to read contacts from a device like a blackberry? |
| 17:51.42 | Zorkman | Flinx: the whole gsm audio thing.... I hope we can find a fix soon because i want to use the FR as my main phone |
| 17:51.44 | cga | yes |
| 17:51.50 | cga | Flinx, free runner |
| 17:51.59 | cga | bumbl, yes 2007.2 |
| 17:52.04 | Flinx | because i nkow when I changed phones I had to go back and export them to my SIM |
| 17:52.09 | cga | i'm waiting for 2008.08 |
| 17:52.16 | bumbl | ahh good |
| 17:52.22 | bumbl | if you for example try fso |
| 17:52.38 | linuxxr | few more days |
| 17:52.38 | bumbl | you will see that all your contacts show up |
| 17:52.49 | cga | i want to wait for 08, i don't want to flash often |
| 17:53.05 | cga | anyway good to know they are still there |
| 17:53.31 | bumbl | and every time you reboot your freerunner you will see that the freerunner displays a random number of sim contacts |
| 17:53.41 | bumbl | *my experience* |
| 17:53.44 | doc|home | weird |
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| 17:53.55 | doc|home | but isn't 2007.2 dead-ended now and replaced with asu? |
| 17:54.12 | abraxa_ | doc|home: -ASU +SHR |
| 17:54.13 | bumbl | doc|home: no |
| 17:54.15 | cga | bumbl, what i noticed is that fr at every boot shows up new messages received that are not new at all. same for missed calls |
| 17:54.20 | Flinx | Zorkman: Yeah I see what you are saying |
| 17:54.26 | lindi- | good question, it's bit confusing |
| 17:54.30 | bumbl | with the release of 2008.8 it will be dead at last |
| 17:54.32 | doc|home | abraxa_: when shr actually works, sure, but I'm just talking about the current situation |
| 17:54.58 | bumbl | cga: 2007.2 has a nice interface but the apps suck |
| 17:55.03 | cga | going for dinner now, see you later |
| 17:55.07 | Chox | moo. |
| 17:55.08 | shew | Anyone know if an "opkg update ; opkg upgrade" will do an upgrade to 2008.8? |
| 17:55.14 | abraxa_ | doc|home: Your statement still isn't correct :) - ASU is an alternative to 2007.2, not a replacement |
| 17:55.22 | cga | bumbl, honestly i don't like 2007.02 much |
| 17:55.32 | lindi- | openmoko developed GTK GUI and phone libraries. qtopia was GUI and phone libraries for framebuffer. correct so far? |
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| 17:55.56 | abraxa_ | lindi-: Yeah |
| 17:55.58 | cga | see you later |
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| 17:56.11 | lindi- | ASU includes qtopia ported for X with enlightenment window manager and launcher? |
| 17:56.12 | Chox | gah, name confusion. 2008.8 = ASU |
| 17:56.27 | abraxa_ | lindi-: Yup |
| 17:56.34 | lindi- | and ASU also somehow implements FSO apis? |
| 17:56.39 | abraxa_ | lindi-: Nope |
| 17:56.47 | lindi- | so that GUI and libraries are separated? |
| 17:57.03 | mjr | no, qtopia is quite monolithic, asu doesn't change that |
| 17:57.15 | mjr | that's the problem and why that is a short-term solution |
| 17:57.28 | Chox | just sobs, and goes back to work |
| 17:57.32 | lindi- | mjr: ok. so more dbus use in the future? |
| 17:57.45 | mjr | probably, if fso is where one is going |
| 17:58.50 | linuxxr | http://pastebin.com/m16a13e6b |
| 17:58.55 | linuxxr | i nrrd |
| 17:58.57 | bumbl | lindi-: I think it is a longtermgoal to implement the fso dbus backand |
| 17:58.59 | linuxxr | i need |
| 17:59.07 | lindi- | mjr: this explains why i saw commit messages where qtopiaphone was dealing with AT commands |
| 17:59.53 | lindi- | which sounded quite odd since i thought GUI should know nothing about details of AT commands |
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| 18:00.52 | lpotter | qtopia is more than a gui. it is a complete phone solution. and i wouldnt call it monolithic |
| 18:00.58 | lindi- | lpotter: yep |
| 18:01.14 | lindi- | can somebody now summarize what SHR is? ;) |
| 18:01.26 | SpeedEvil | It's the Shhhh Release. |
| 18:01.30 | SpeedEvil | We can't talk about it. |
| 18:01.44 | linuxxr | http://pastebin.com/d23bcd610 |
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| 18:01.55 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: GTK + ASU somehow? |
| 18:02.04 | mjr | lindi-, some community project about integrating fso backend and some of the gtk phone apps and also lib support from asu etc |
| 18:02.29 | SpeedEvil | ~shr |
| 18:02.30 | apt | i heard shr is Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 18:02.36 | lindi- | mjr: so to avoid QT? |
| 18:02.45 | linuxxr | does that look right? |
| 18:03.14 | mjr | lindi-, well the qtopia libs are supposed to go in there anyway; for some the motivation is that probably, though, since it woudln't be mandatory |
| 18:03.27 | leinir | lindi-: QuickTime? Yeah, should probably avoid tat ;) |
| 18:03.32 | fspde | leaves "cya!" |
| 18:03.37 | leinir | s/tat/that/ |
| 18:04.04 | lindi- | grr, i'll definitely avoid that |
| 18:04.28 | lindi- | mjr: parse error |
| 18:04.35 | lindi- | mjr: qtopia libraries are going to SHR too? |
| 18:04.53 | mjr | lindi-, rather the goal would be to get a more complete fso-based phone system relatively quickly |
| 18:05.04 | mjr | lindi-, yeah, to support those apps |
| 18:05.11 | lindi- | mmok |
| 18:05.43 | lindi- | my only worry about QT is that it's GPLv2-only but that might no be a serious problem if I can just use GTK too |
| 18:06.07 | lpotter | why would gpl be a concern? |
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| 18:06.37 | lindi- | lpotter: GPLv3 |
| 18:07.20 | lpotter | the kernel is still v2, is that a concern for you? |
| 18:07.59 | mjr | actually that is a concern for me at least. Not a biggie, but actually in a user space library it's a slightly higher annoyance too :] |
| 18:08.09 | doc|home | lpotter: you mentioned qbuild last night after I went to bed. I didn't follow |
| 18:08.12 | lindi- | lpotter: sure but much less since a gui is probably not derivative of the kernel :) |
| 18:09.13 | lpotter | doc|home: new things in qtopia 4.4 |
| 18:09.21 | doc|home | ah, ok, thanks |
| 18:09.32 | lpotter | i would think that lgpl would be a bigger concern |
| 18:10.48 | lindi- | lpotter: you can always conver lgpl to gpl anyway |
| 18:11.06 | lpotter | no you cant |
| 18:11.21 | lindi- | LGPL says ' 3. You may opt to apply the terms of the ordinary GNU General Public License instead of this License to a given copy of the Library. To do this, you must alter all the notices that refer to this License, so that they refer to the ordinary GNU General Public License, version 2, instead of to this License. (If a newer version than version 2 of the ordinary GNU General Public License has appeared, then you can specify that version in |
| 18:11.23 | lpotter | youcant change a licnese unless you only the copyright |
| 18:12.03 | lindi- | yeah it's not converting in that sense |
| 18:12.04 | Flinx | what is the benefit of changing licences? |
| 18:13.31 | doc|home | wep is shared key, right? |
| 18:14.09 | ieatlint | doc|home, yes |
| 18:14.17 | doc|home | thanks |
| 18:14.53 | bumbl | hmm if qt would be lgpl ther would be nothing stopping kde on its way to world domination |
| 18:15.25 | ieatlint | hah, yeah |
| 18:15.29 | lpotter | personally, i want more free software |
| 18:15.32 | doc|home | grrr, why won't this thing connect |
| 18:15.38 | lpotter | so qt needs to stay gpl |
| 18:16.04 | shew | Anyone know if we're expected to be able to update to 2008.08 with "opkg update ; opkg upgrade"? (Given that updates right now can't happen without extra options, I'm thinking that a 2008.08 update probably won't be able to happen without reflashing or force installing packages with -nodeps.) |
| 18:16.06 | trix | wurp2|working, that's what i thought, too. but in the last milestone i installed, the opkg repos all contained "my-distribution.org" so it seems to be broken on purpose |
| 18:16.09 | ieatlint | kde is the only linus endorsed desktop manager at the moment methinks |
| 18:16.22 | trix | peter__b, thanks, i'll check the mailing list. did you see that on the general discussion list or another? |
| 18:16.23 | doc|home | ok, so, has anyone actually gotten wifi over wep working using the qtopia gui? |
| 18:16.27 | wurp2|working | trix: Weird... I'm pretty sure my MS 1 install had good opkg config |
| 18:16.33 | trix | hmm |
| 18:16.36 | wurp2|working | trix: I haven't tried MS 2, though |
| 18:16.45 | lindi- | bumbl: if qt were free when it was released we probably wouldn't have GTK :) |
| 18:16.49 | wurp2|working | And mine was gta01, not FR |
| 18:17.06 | trix | wurp, what's the hostname in your all-feed.conf? |
| 18:17.21 | wurp2|working | trix: Dunno, I've long since burned another release :-( |
| 18:17.31 | trix | ahh ok. what're you onto now? |
| 18:17.53 | wurp2|working | I switch between ScaredyCat & preliminary SHR |
| 18:18.22 | trix | gotcha. thanks :) |
| 18:18.33 | wurp2|working | welcome, sorry I wasn't of any actual help ;-) |
| 18:18.41 | lindi- | lpotter: anyways, back to business. i'll continue reading email archives and then try to figure out how to build this ASU thing. does that sound like a good midterm goal? I'd like to report and fix bugs. and also try if i can get different arm powersaving modes work |
| 18:19.09 | Flinx | Wow this all feels over my head :( |
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| 18:21.02 | Flinx | I hope I can catch up when i get my FR |
| 18:21.25 | lindi- | lpotter: i'd love to be able to just "apt-get source neod; editor neod.../../..; fakeroot apt-get --build source neod" without having to touch all this bitbake stuff but it's probably not possible |
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| 18:22.39 | ieatlint | oh damn, morgan freeman is in hospital in "serious condition" after a car accident last night |
| 18:22.58 | Flinx | that sucks... |
| 18:22.59 | Flinx | :( |
| 18:23.10 | doc|home | er,should the qtopia wifi gui edit /etc/networking/interfaces? |
| 18:23.18 | doc|home | -ing |
| 18:23.37 | lpotter | it doesnt edit the interfaces file |
| 18:23.38 | zash | probably |
| 18:23.56 | doc|home | what does it edit? |
| 18:24.08 | doc|home | my setup's not working, want to verify in file |
| 18:24.39 | lpotter | doc|home: its own settings and /var/lib/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 18:24.54 | zash | conf in /var/ ? |
| 18:26.09 | doc|home | hmmm, it says key_mgmt = NONE is that correct given I supplied a key? |
| 18:26.26 | doc|home | grr, it also says wpa2 |
| 18:26.49 | Guilt | key_mgmt = PSK |
| 18:26.54 | Guilt | for wpa2_personal |
| 18:26.57 | Guilt | hmm .. |
| 18:27.00 | doc|home | I want wep, not wpa |
| 18:27.13 | Guilt | u can simply leavee out key_mgmt = |
| 18:27.19 | Guilt | and set psk = "" |
| 18:27.24 | Guilt | that can do wpa/wep |
| 18:28.05 | Guilt | doc|home: check the GTA02 wlan page |
| 18:28.08 | Guilt | the entries at the end. |
| 18:28.12 | Guilt | that's what u should attempt |
| 18:28.15 | lpotter | doc|home: in that case it uses iwconfi |
| 18:28.35 | doc|home | I've always hated having to fuck with wifi on linux. such a mess |
| 18:28.45 | Guilt | true. |
| 18:28.47 | Guilt | my feelings |
| 18:29.01 | lpotter | wep works for me. except route needs fixing still |
| 18:29.05 | Flinx | never done it, but i know that linux support is brutal on wifi |
| 18:29.10 | doc|home | lpotter: have you seen the n800's wifi setup? |
| 18:29.17 | lpotter | of curse |
| 18:29.21 | lpotter | course |
| 18:29.30 | doc|home | would be nice if qtopia worked like that |
| 18:29.47 | Flinx | is there a way to port the nokia way? |
| 18:29.54 | Flinx | or do something similar? |
| 18:30.10 | lpotter | qtopia is the nokia way :) |
| 18:30.14 | lindi- | n800 has proprietary wifi driver |
| 18:30.22 | Flinx | ahhh |
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| 18:30.33 | Flinx | I like my n800 |
| 18:30.34 | lpotter | as in Nokia ownes qtopia |
| 18:30.37 | doc|home | the driver shouldn't make any difference |
| 18:30.52 | doc|home | this is merely an interface design |
| 18:30.57 | lpotter | doc|home: n800 also has proprietary encryption method |
| 18:31.05 | Flinx | they do? |
| 18:31.08 | linuxxr | qtopia is still opensource right? |
| 18:31.22 | lpotter | linuxxr: yes |
| 18:31.23 | doc|home | "list access points, select from list, check for auth type, enter necessary info, connect" simple. works. |
| 18:31.35 | doc|home | lpotter: how so? |
| 18:31.37 | Flinx | oh.. so they use a propritary method to connect to standard WEP,WPA etc...? |
| 18:31.53 | doc|home | lpotter: it's not so much the connection as the interface |
| 18:31.55 | Flinx | yeah the interface is pretty slick |
| 18:32.09 | lpotter | qtopia has scan for WLAN |
| 18:32.16 | csatlose | just opened FREERUNNER! Yeah! However, I set up static dhcp and can't ssh in! Any quick suggestions? |
| 18:32.18 | doc|home | lpotter: I tried that, it said no known networks |
| 18:32.23 | lpotter | but thats not workngon neo yet |
| 18:32.25 | doc|home | hehe |
| 18:32.27 | doc|home | aye |
| 18:33.10 | lindi- | csatlose: use usb networking first |
| 18:33.18 | bumbl | lindi-: I know |
| 18:33.20 | leinir | csatlose: ehrm... static dhcp? How does that work? ;) |
| 18:33.51 | tuXXX | ^^' |
| 18:34.23 | csatlose | lindi-: I connected via usb-networking at first, and all worked. Then stupidly I assigned a static IP and now I can't connect anymore. Is there a factory reset option? |
| 18:34.49 | lindi- | csatlose: how did you "assign" it? |
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| 18:35.18 | Guilt | lpotter: a way to fix routes: |
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| 18:35.48 | Guilt | in eth0, add these lines below wireless_key, wpa_conf and wireless_mode |
| 18:36.05 | Guilt | post-up sleep 2; ip route del default via 192.168.0.200 |
| 18:36.14 | csatlose | lindi-: while still connected via usb netw. I edited /etc/networks/interfaces. I tried changing back from static to dhcp in Freerunner terminal, but the phone keypad doesn't have ESC. |
| 18:36.20 | Guilt | post-down sleep 2; ip route add default via 192.168.0.200 |
| 18:36.23 | zash | csatlose: try finding it with nmap? |
| 18:36.28 | Guilt | :-) that should ^^ fixxor |
| 18:36.34 | lindi- | csatlose: interesting :) |
| 18:36.50 | zash | csatlose: or nm |
| 18:37.04 | lindi- | csatlose: well, you can always install new firmware image |
| 18:37.13 | Guilt | and, you might want to remove the nameserver from /etc/resolv.conf as well. you could grep -v nameserver 192.168.0.200 back to /etc/resolv.conf ;) |
| 18:37.21 | lindi- | csatlose: you'll want to do it anyway since the phone was shipped with quite old version |
| 18:37.36 | csatlose | freeruner ipconfig returns 192.168.0.202 (this is what I assigned it) |
| 18:37.43 | doc|home | anyone know how to go back in bash history when scroll keys don't translate? |
| 18:37.49 | doc|home | er, cursor keys |
| 18:38.09 | csatlose | lindi-: Guilt flashing can be done with laptop and SD card? |
| 18:38.22 | Guilt | csatlose: just laptop, and USB cable |
| 18:38.25 | tuXXX | doc|home: ctrl+P and ctrl+N ? |
| 18:38.25 | doc|home | csatlose: usb cable is easiest |
| 18:38.30 | doc|home | tuXXX: thanks, will try |
| 18:38.37 | lindi- | csatlose: it should be quite safe |
| 18:38.47 | lindi- | csatlose: if something goes wrong you can just start it again |
| 18:38.57 | doc|home | tuXXX: that did it, thanks |
| 18:38.59 | csatlose | will I still need to "network" it? Guilt |
| 18:39.05 | lindi- | csatlose: nope |
| 18:39.11 | Guilt | nono |
| 18:39.22 | Guilt | the flashing happens by a different mechanism |
| 18:39.22 | Guilt | called DFU |
| 18:39.22 | lindi- | csatlose: see wiki for instructions. you hold AUX and then press POWER |
| 18:39.25 | csatlose | thanks guys ... going to the wiki then!! :-) |
| 18:39.32 | Guilt | have fun! :-) |
| 18:39.48 | doc|home | arse |
| 18:39.51 | lindi- | csatlose: and openmoko boots bootloader from NOR flash, from there you can flash to NAND flash |
| 18:39.53 | doc|home | no leasem failing |
| 18:39.56 | doc|home | *lease, |
| 18:40.39 | Guilt | doc|home: you might want to set wireless_essid blah |
| 18:40.42 | Guilt | that works for me always. |
| 18:40.47 | Guilt | autoscan fails many a times |
| 18:40.59 | Guilt | instead of wireless_essid any |
| 18:41.10 | doc|home | hmmm, ok |
| 18:41.26 | doc|home | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi |
| 18:41.34 | doc|home | which has ssid="your_ssid" |
| 18:41.36 | doc|home | which is set |
| 18:41.41 | doc|home | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:41.57 | doc|home | oh wait, might try more of the piece above that |
| 18:42.40 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r1759775f96ec 10/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 18:42.40 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: docs: allow embeddeding html tags into docstrings. Use [foo] syntax for everything that's going to be substituted by <foo>. Warning: Be careful with that. |
| 18:42.40 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: otapi: enrich docs |
| 18:42.50 | Guilt | set wireless_essid in /etc/network interfaces |
| 18:42.59 | Guilt | ^^ it can be found near wifi0 which is useless |
| 18:43.31 | doc|home | ah, ok |
| 18:43.39 | doc|home | stabs linux wireless |
| 18:43.48 | Guilt | joins doc|home in stabbing |
| 18:43.56 | Flinx | lol |
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| 18:44.24 | Guilt | the first thing the linux usability project should concentrate on is connectivity |
| 18:44.32 | Guilt | then GUI ;) |
| 18:44.47 | Guilt | brb |
| 18:45.57 | Flinx | heh |
| 18:47.31 | tkep | any ideas on how to get python-gtk? |
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| 18:55.09 | doc|home | ok, I think my freerunner's going to sit on my desk for another couple of weeks :( |
| 18:55.40 | almien | opkg install python-pygtk ? |
| 18:55.50 | johnsu01 | I see things about microSD compatibility for neo1973, is this an issue for the freerunner? |
| 18:56.14 | johnsu01 | in terms of https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards |
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| 19:00.49 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rf589bb4b8fc0 10/ (22 files in 4 dirs): revamp documentation generation |
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| 19:02.31 | cga | is 2008.08 based on the new framework? |
| 19:02.56 | mickey|dinner | no. 2009.something will |
| 19:03.04 | mickey|dinner | 2008.08 is based on Qtopia middleware |
| 19:03.10 | cga | ok thanks |
| 19:04.14 | Zorkman | cga: 2008.8 is the ASU |
| 19:04.33 | cga | reading that right now on the wiki thanks =) |
| 19:05.16 | Zorkman | I just don't understand why tbey need a new name for it.... seems like people are still confused |
| 19:05.18 | cga | it looks promising =) |
| 19:05.23 | tkep | almien, all well and good with opkg install blah...but the neo1973 repo is down |
| 19:05.27 | tkep | so it won't grab it |
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| 19:10.44 | railer | Doc|home you there? |
| 19:11.50 | doc|home | railer: yeah |
| 19:13.02 | railer | 2 weeks in the drawer? |
| 19:13.13 | doc|home | yep |
| 19:13.29 | railer | I think I'll put mine there too |
| 19:13.40 | doc|home | my drawer? thanks |
| 19:13.45 | trix | johnsu01, I haven't had any compatibility issues with my 8gb microsd. just make sure you get sdhc cards and it should be fine. i believe the 16gb card will work fine, too, when it comes out. |
| 19:13.46 | doc|home | heads to ebay |
| 19:14.20 | Flinx | dot |
| 19:14.24 | johnsu01 | trix: Cool, thanks. Are you using a SanDisk? |
| 19:14.27 | railer | heading down to Vancouver in two weeks I'll drop it off then |
| 19:15.19 | trix | johnsu01, yes, picked it up from a best buy but any 8gb sdhc (read: not a generic brand) should work fine |
| 19:15.42 | johnsu01 | trix: Right, okay. Thanks. |
| 19:15.42 | Tanuva | will I break something on the neo if I set a root password? |
| 19:15.51 | doc|home | railer: hehe |
| 19:16.00 | *** part/#openmoko El_Senator (n=El_Senat@0x4dd4371c.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 19:16.18 | peter__b | Tavuna _ pw works fine for me |
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| 19:16.31 | csatlose | lindi-: back again with flashing questions. I am getting some error messages (can I post them here?). Do you mind helping. |
| 19:17.04 | trix | johnsu01, you're welcome! and from what i hear the english wiki will occupy about 4gb or more, if you're at all interested in having that on your microsd when it comes out |
| 19:17.10 | Tanuva | peter__b: fine... :) |
| 19:17.19 | railer | You were here last night, I was never sure was girlriver actually a girl? |
| 19:17.24 | Tanuva | peter__b: btw: type the first two/three letters of a nick and press <tab> ;) |
| 19:17.59 | johnsu01 | trix: Hm, okay. I think I will get a larger one then. |
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| 19:19.55 | csatlose | hello all. I seem to be getting error messages from flashing the Freerunner. I'm following the wiki and I'm a linux user comfortable with the CLI. Can anyone help? |
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| 19:20.17 | railer | I would love to know the demographics of Age/Gender/Location and on occasion the IQ of people who bought this phone |
| 19:20.27 | Tanuva | csatlose: maybe if you tell us the messages ;) |
| 19:20.49 | Tanuva | railer: 18/male/Northern Germany :P |
| 19:21.04 | railer | 40/M/Alberta Canada |
| 19:21.24 | abraxa_ | csatlose: What error messages? |
| 19:21.38 | csatlose | Tanuva: Warning: Runtime device already in DFU state? |
| 19:21.55 | csatlose | 31/M/VA-USA |
| 19:21.56 | Zorkman | anybody know a good mediaplayer for 2007.2? |
| 19:22.15 | spydon | 17/M/Sweden |
| 19:22.23 | csatlose | abraxa_: Warning: Runtime device already in DFU state? |
| 19:22.32 | peter__b | Tanuva : doesnt work with xchat |
| 19:22.35 | railer | what do you think the M to F demographics are? 97 to 3? |
| 19:22.45 | abraxa_ | csatlose: Did you give dfu-util the USB device ID to use? |
| 19:22.58 | csatlose | abraxa_: how do I do that? |
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| 19:23.29 | abraxa_ | -d 0x....:0x.... |
| 19:23.39 | abraxa_ | lsusb gives you the ID |
| 19:23.45 | Tanuva | railer: maybe even more extreme... |
| 19:23.52 | railer | yup |
| 19:24.06 | csatlose | so dfu-util -d 0x...:0xxx with the result from lsusb? |
| 19:24.34 | baird | tangogps - "http://www.thunderflames.org/tiles/cycle/%d/%d/%d.png" gets you the 'cycling' OSM tiles, which includes roads and topo... |
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| 19:24.44 | Wonka | i'd like https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/666 to move forward soon... |
| 19:24.49 | abraxa_ | csatlose: -d 0x1457:0x5122 if you have a Freerunner |
| 19:25.44 | cga | on 2007.02 when i turn off wifi the power button doesn't work anymore. is it a known bug? |
| 19:26.18 | csatlose | abraxa_: freerunner is not showing up in lsusb |
| 19:27.14 | abraxa_ | csatlose: Is it turned on? Did you boot into u-boot? |
| 19:27.40 | csatlose | abraxa_: yes, I have the boot menu up, and I just left it there as the wiki says. |
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| 19:27.54 | bnto | hi |
| 19:28.12 | csatlose | abraxa_: although lsusb now gives me this device: Bus 001 Device 017: ID 1d50:5119 |
| 19:28.56 | abraxa_ | csatlose: Ah right. I forgot it has different IDs in u-boot and when running the OS. |
| 19:29.23 | abraxa_ | Hm, at least if I remember correctly. |
| 19:29.46 | abraxa_ | Either way, try submitting that ID to dfu-util |
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| 19:30.19 | csatlose | abraxa_: is the full command this: dfu-util -d 0x...:0x... ? |
| 19:31.50 | abraxa_ | csatlose: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#Reference_Documentation |
| 19:32.20 | Tanuva | where's the $PATH for .desktop Icon entries? |
| 19:32.28 | Tanuva | no. What's this path? |
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| 19:33.54 | railer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.06 | railer | opps, wrong place |
| 19:34.37 | TAsn | railer, im not sure OM is the best for wardriving. |
| 19:34.38 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 19:35.08 | railer | one thing at a time, lets get the phone to work without buzzing |
| 19:35.09 | Zorkman | is there any hope for being able to use aircrack etc? |
| 19:35.26 | railer | there's always hope |
| 19:36.04 | Zorkman | reasonable hope? :) |
| 19:36.17 | cga | how can i make a ringtone from an ogg? |
| 19:36.22 | cga | and use it? |
| 19:37.01 | TAsn | Zorkman, for that you need a firmware that supports packet injection iirc, and i don't think that's there yet. |
| 19:37.20 | TAsn | though there is no reason to believe that won't be possible some day. |
| 19:37.39 | railer | well parts of the over all package, but the decrypter part i highly doubt, cpu too slow |
| 19:37.47 | TAsn | railer, yeah. |
| 19:38.24 | Zorkman | well yeah, but i meant the packet injection stuff |
| 19:38.26 | TAsn | railer, i guess the first step of getting it to work is buying a moko, which i haven't accomplished just yet. |
| 19:38.33 | Zorkman | decryption is ok on host pc for all i care |
| 19:38.53 | TAsn | Zorkman, host pc without wifi that will use moko for wifi? |
| 19:39.00 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 19:39.17 | Zorkman | TAsn: jup :) |
| 19:39.46 | TAsn | Zorkman, i think buying a pcmcia card is a lot cheaper than a moko |
| 19:39.54 | TAsn | and will probably have better reception ;0 |
| 19:40.06 | Zorkman | but I already have a moko... :p |
| 19:40.10 | TAsn | Zorkman, ;0 |
| 19:40.24 | TAsn | well im off. |
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| 19:40.28 | TAsn | gotta rest a bit. |
| 19:40.33 | TAsn | im tired as hell. |
| 19:40.33 | TAsn | cya. |
| 19:40.37 | Zorkman | and it would be great to have wifi at places where you sometimes go, for example near a parc or somewhere where you regulary eat |
| 19:40.44 | railer | I have a high power 1watt usb wifi you'd be amazed what you can pick up |
| 19:40.50 | cga | is FSO based on the new framework? |
| 19:40.57 | Zorkman | ok, cya TAsn |
| 19:40.59 | cga | i want to try it but i'm not sure |
| 19:41.15 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r82b1826e7fa2 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (gpsdevice.py ubx.py): ogpsd: Use Gypsy TimeChanged signal |
| 19:41.16 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rdea4f1604cf9 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: |
| 19:41.16 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Log non-UBX data with priority info instead of debug |
| 19:41.16 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: We disable NMEA sentences now. |
| 19:41.16 | cga | will it be useable from a user perspective? |
| 19:41.17 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rd2e4847446b4 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: ogpsd: implement preliminary ACK handling for CFG messages |
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| 19:48.40 | sigi_ | hi |
| 19:49.33 | Tanuva | cga: its fairly stable imho if you're lucky with the snapshot - but at least for me the sound quality is damn bad. and no sms yet, of course. :) |
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| 19:49.42 | sigi_ | I'm thinking about getting a Freerunner. How's the battery time doing with newer firmwares? |
| 19:50.14 | Tanuva | sigi_: I can only tell you about fso which can last >24h in suspend |
| 19:50.33 | Tanuva | no. I got it up to >36h IIRC |
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| 19:50.34 | sigi_ | thats the "new one", right? |
| 19:50.38 | cga | Tanuva, thanks , i'll wait ASU then |
| 19:50.39 | Tanuva | sigi_: yes |
| 19:50.54 | sigi_ | hm, ok |
| 19:52.04 | sigi_ | Tanuva: Excuse the stupid question, but can it still receive calls in suspend or is it totally suspended? |
| 19:52.49 | Tanuva | sigi_: I tested this on my desk some times and it rang while suspended, so it should work. But I'm not sure about how reliable this is up to now |
| 19:52.57 | ecraven | you have to be fast |
| 19:53.06 | ecraven | but it worked for me mostly |
| 19:53.09 | Tanuva | if you stick with the milestones, there shouldn't go too much wrong |
| 19:54.06 | sigi_ | Tanuva: Thanks for the info! |
| 19:54.36 | sigi_ | ecraven: how long does it take to wake up from suspend if you have to be fast? :) |
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| 19:56.35 | Tanuva | sigi_: no problem :) |
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| 20:01.19 | ecraven | sigi_: 3-5 seconds i'd guess.. i haven't tried with ASU, only FSO |
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| 20:01.39 | ecraven | no, it was longer, actually.. about 10? |
| 20:01.45 | ecraven | i don't have FSO on my neo atm |
| 20:01.53 | ecraven | and debian suspends nicely, but doesn't resume so well :( |
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| 20:02.26 | sigi_ | do you need the board to change from FSO to ASU or is the cable enough? |
| 20:02.51 | sigi_ | sorry I haven't really read a lot yet |
| 20:03.07 | sigi_ | just stop me if I'm too annoying with my questions |
| 20:03.08 | Zorkman | sigi_: no board required |
| 20:03.12 | sigi_ | cool |
| 20:03.21 | Pyrasi | Has anyone been able to successfully use dfu-util to make a backup of their rootfs partition? |
| 20:03.28 | ecraven | sigi_: search on the wiki for dfu-util |
| 20:03.41 | Pyrasi | i can make one of the kernel...but not the rootfs. It always errors out |
| 20:03.54 | ecraven | Pyrasi: you can use netcat and /dev/mtd*, that should always work |
| 20:04.22 | dingman | fwiw, I just replicated what Pyrasi reported. |
| 20:05.09 | bnto | Has anybody got a hint on a cryptsetup-package for the freerunner? I'm searching for quite a while now and can't find anything binary, only statements like this (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-March/004438.html) |
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| 20:06.23 | auxide | New to Openmoko! What do I need to try my hand at developing a different kind of keyboard input that overrides the default? |
| 20:06.51 | auxide | Can that be done in Python? Or is the keyboard portion done in something like C? |
| 20:07.02 | ecraven | auxide: have a look at matchbox-keyboard, xvkbd, and multitap-pad |
| 20:07.22 | ecraven | all of those are in C i believe, but it should be possible in python, if you can handle the focus |
| 20:09.01 | auxide | Well it makes no difference to me, my idea is simple. Something like morse code where character entry is done by two buttons, [o] and [-], with some aux. buttons for del and enter/confirm, just to play around in spare time |
| 20:09.15 | auxide | do those keyboards have wiki pages or are they on their own, ecraven? |
| 20:10.21 | ecraven | matchbox-keyboard is in the matchbox svn (matchbox is the window manager), xvkbd i don't know, and multitap-pad is from OM (i think?!?) |
| 20:10.25 | ecraven | but googling should help :) |
| 20:10.30 | ecraven | all of them are open-source |
| 20:10.42 | auxide | Will do. Thanks. |
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| 20:10.55 | auxide | I don't have my freerunner yet but just wanted to do some reading on how to develop etc |
| 20:11.04 | mib_plysbr | back |
| 20:11.10 | mib_plysbr | windows had a fit |
| 20:11.13 | ecraven | the basic idea is *not* grabbing input focus, but leave it where it is, and generate keypress events, i think |
| 20:11.15 | mib_plysbr | >.> |
| 20:12.10 | auxide | I'm a ham radio guy so the idea of morse code is interesting (not time based, but just entering in sequences of dots and dashes, like a binary keyboard of sorts, but following morse code conventions) we'll see how it goes... |
| 20:12.24 | ecraven | auxide: have a look at matchbox-stroke |
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| 20:13.05 | mib_plysbr | nick FLinx |
| 20:13.07 | ecraven | it can recognize strokes, you might be able to use it as an input part |
| 20:13.09 | mib_plysbr | gah.. |
| 20:13.21 | mib_plysbr | ... |
| 20:13.28 | mib_plysbr | brb |
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| 20:13.50 | auxide | ecraven: thanks, will look into it |
| 20:14.08 | Flinx | there we go.. |
| 20:14.27 | Flinx | hrm.. is there a way to print previous messages? |
| 20:15.40 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.52 | ecraven | Flinx: previous messages in this channel? |
| 20:16.05 | ecraven | Pyrasi: same way you'd normally do it |
| 20:16.24 | ecraven | or alternatively boot from sd, then just netcat the file to the neo, and cat it into /dev/mtd* |
| 20:16.48 | Flinx | ecraven: yeah |
| 20:17.04 | nielsle | If I flash my phone with FSO milestone 2, will I be able to ise opkg to keep it up to date, or do I need to reflash once in a while? |
| 20:17.09 | ecraven | Flinx: there's a channel log |
| 20:17.23 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.28 | ecraven | not sure where :) the wiki will tell you |
| 20:17.33 | Flinx | hrm |
| 20:17.35 | Flinx | thats okay |
| 20:17.39 | ecraven | Pyrasi: not sure about that, but it should work for the rootfs |
| 20:17.47 | Flinx | I'll just try to catch up the hard way ;) |
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| 20:18.00 | ecraven | Pyrasi: though i'd only use it for the rootfs and kernel, doesn't dfu-util work for you? |
| 20:18.17 | Zorkman | anybody: when i ssh in to the phone and do DISPLAY=:0 mplayer -quiet http://mp3.streampower.be/stubru-mid.mp3 it plays the mp3 stream |
| 20:18.20 | auxide | ecraven: where can I download the code for the keyboard modules so I can see how they are written? Is there some SVN access? |
| 20:18.28 | Zorkman | i wanted to create a desktop file for thi s (i use 2007.2) |
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| 20:18.50 | Zorkman | but when i type in the desktop file Exec=DISPLAY=:0 mplayer -quiet http://mp3.streampower.be/stubru-mid.mp3 it does nothing |
| 20:18.59 | ecraven | auxide: http://matchbox-project.org/ under Download, there's an svn repository |
| 20:19.02 | wurp2|working | Zorkman: Create a script with that content |
| 20:19.04 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.10 | wurp2|working | And chmod a+x it |
| 20:19.18 | wurp2|working | and set exec=the path to that script |
| 20:19.19 | ecraven | auxide: xvkbd: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/xvkbd/ |
| 20:19.24 | Zorkman | wurp2|working: that is what i first did, a bash script but it still wouldn't work |
| 20:19.29 | Zorkman | i'll try to chmod it |
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| 20:19.45 | wurp2|working | Zorkman: That's weird, because I have several .desktop items set up like that |
| 20:19.50 | Zorkman | do i need to type "bash" in fron of it after exec=? |
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| 20:19.53 | ecraven | Zorkman: you need chmod, otherwise it most certainly won't work |
| 20:19.56 | wurp2|working | Zorkman: nope |
| 20:19.57 | auxide | ecraven: thanks, sorry to bother you just for a link :) |
| 20:20.01 | ecraven | also, add #!/bin/sh as the first line |
| 20:20.04 | wurp2|working | Zorkman: But, what ecraven said |
| 20:20.15 | ecraven | auxide: no problem at all :) i'll be happy if you get a decent keyboard going ;) |
| 20:20.15 | wurp2|working | ecraven: I didn't have to dot hat |
| 20:20.21 | wurp2|working | s/dot hat/do that/ |
| 20:20.27 | ecraven | wurp2|working: sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't :) |
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| 20:20.34 | wurp2|working | ecraven: :-) |
| 20:20.37 | ecraven | (though most of the time it does) |
| 20:21.02 | wurp2|working | Does anyone know of a .whatever file that will be executed when the terminal session is started? |
| 20:21.15 | ecraven | auxide: you may want to look into the XTEST extension, makes it easy to generate keyboard input |
| 20:21.24 | ecraven | wurp2|working: .bashrc normally works |
| 20:21.29 | ecraven | or .bash_login or .bash_profile ;) |
| 20:21.30 | wurp2|working | I think our terminal is some exe that supports ash and sh (seemingly depending on the name of the link you use to execute it) |
| 20:21.37 | wurp2|working | .bashrc does not work |
| 20:21.41 | ecraven | oh, terminal, sorry |
| 20:21.47 | wurp2|working | nor does .shrc, nor .ashrc |
| 20:21.52 | bnto | .profile |
| 20:22.01 | wurp2|working | .bashrc is executed when I start up bash |
| 20:22.21 | wurp2|working | bnto: I thought .profile was executed when your whole profile comes up, once, not each time you open a shell |
| 20:22.26 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.59 | Zorkman | ecraven: wurp2|working: i did that and it still doesn't work; my two files: http://pastebin.com/d650b2202 |
| 20:23.17 | bnto | wurp2|working: don't know about the theory (normally I use zsh), but it works. I set my PATH in ~/.profile |
| 20:23.23 | ecraven | Pyrasi: you should really boot from SD if you do that :) |
| 20:23.40 | wurp2|working | Zorkman: Terminal=true |
| 20:23.53 | wurp2|working | bnto: On the neo? |
| 20:23.58 | Zorkman | wurp2|working: also tried that |
| 20:24.02 | bnto | wurp2|working: yes |
| 20:24.06 | ecraven | shouldn't need that, wurp2|working |
| 20:24.09 | wurp2|working | bnto: Excellent, I'll try that |
| 20:24.11 | Zorkman | when i manualy type "bash stu" when i am sshd in it works |
| 20:24.19 | ecraven | Zorkman: did you do 'chmod +x /home/root/stu' ?? |
| 20:24.23 | Zorkman | yes |
| 20:24.24 | wurp2|working | ecraven: OK, I wasn't sure, I just know I've always been using it |
| 20:24.31 | wurp2|working | Zorkman: What about when you just run ./stu? |
| 20:24.39 | ecraven | you only need that if you run, e.g. 'ls' or something that needs a terminal |
| 20:24.42 | wurp2|working | Oh, Zorkman |
| 20:24.47 | wurp2|working | You can't put it on one line |
| 20:24.55 | wurp2|working | Put a CR after your :0 |
| 20:25.23 | wurp2|working | ecraven: Are you sure? I sure don't see a terminal start up when I run .desktop files, regardless of Terminal= |
| 20:25.23 | ecraven | ah, it's a script, right |
| 20:25.26 | Zorkman | CR? |
| 20:25.30 | wurp2|working | carriage return |
| 20:25.34 | ecraven | Zorkman: export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 20:25.36 | ecraven | mplayer ... |
| 20:25.40 | wurp2|working | newline |
| 20:25.42 | ecraven | you need export, otherwise mplayer won't see it |
| 20:25.46 | wurp2|working | what ecraven said |
| 20:25.55 | Zorkman | can i just hit "enter" or do i need to input a special character? |
| 20:25.57 | ecraven | wurp2|working: no, but that's what the documentation says ;) of course, the documentation is wrong more often than not |
| 20:26.00 | wurp2|working | You also don't need the DISPLAY= when running directly on the neo |
| 20:26.07 | wurp2|working | Zorkman: Just hit enter |
| 20:26.08 | ecraven | just hit enter |
| 20:26.08 | Zorkman | ecraven: but it does work when i type "bash stu" |
| 20:26.17 | ecraven | Zorkman: the question is ./stu, not bash stu |
| 20:26.24 | wurp2|working | DISPLAY= you should only need when you run over ssh |
| 20:26.48 | wurp2|working | I don't understand how it could work when you type bash stu |
| 20:26.57 | Zorkman | it just does :) |
| 20:27.08 | wurp2|working | hrm, but it does |
| 20:27.10 | Zorkman | it works ssh'd in, and when typing in the neo terminal |
| 20:27.21 | bnto | Zorkman: did you try calling mplayer with full path? |
| 20:27.22 | wurp2|working | I would still put in the newline |
| 20:27.24 | wurp2|working | and the export |
| 20:27.34 | Flinx | who was it that was talking about the W.E phone earlier? |
| 20:27.39 | Zorkman | i have put the new line in and the export, but it doesn't work |
| 20:27.41 | wurp2|working | bnto: It's a URL, and it is a full path... |
| 20:28.00 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.03 | Flinx | davi: you still around? |
| 20:28.04 | lindi- | any idea if i can build usb host cable by just adding gender changer to end of the supplied usb cable? |
| 20:28.11 | wurp2|working | Zorkman: Try restarting X |
| 20:28.13 | davi | Flinx, yes |
| 20:28.14 | ecraven | how are you starting the .desktop file? |
| 20:28.21 | bnto | I mean: /usr/bin/mplayer |
| 20:28.22 | ecraven | you need to restart X if you modify the .desktop files, i think |
| 20:28.23 | wurp2|working | Zorkman: I *think* the .desktop files may be cached |
| 20:28.29 | davi | Flinx, Marketing = http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/07/first-openmoko.html |
| 20:28.33 | ecraven | wurp2|working: i'm quite sure they are :) |
| 20:28.35 | Flinx | Right |
| 20:28.41 | wurp2|working | ecraven: I know the list is |
| 20:28.52 | Flinx | davi: but you didn't read the fine print -- "Phones for software developers are available now with OpenMoko software on them. The consumer W.E. Phone will ship once the software is available, which is expected in the fall of 2008. " |
| 20:28.52 | wurp2|working | ecraven: I wasn't sure about content |
| 20:29.27 | Flinx | Its on the Front page of the Koolu website under the "more" option |
| 20:29.46 | davi | Flinx, Is the W.E phone competing with the own Openmoko phone? |
| 20:29.52 | Zorkman | restarting x worked! |
| 20:29.53 | ecraven | wurp2|working: i played around with debian a few days ago, and they were cached. i don't think angström matchbox-desktop is different |
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| 20:29.59 | ecraven | Zorkman: congratulations :) |
| 20:30.03 | yoh | Hi All OMers! |
| 20:30.06 | Zorkman | thanks for the help guys (again :)) |
| 20:30.11 | wurp2|working | ecraven: Ah, good info, thanks |
| 20:30.24 | Flinx | davi: The W.E phone is the FreeRunner with google apps on it |
| 20:30.33 | yoh | trying to build using MokoMakefile but getting problem building glibc |
| 20:30.33 | wurp2|working | ecraven: That answers that question |
| 20:30.37 | ecraven | does anyone know how i can hide/unhide xvkbd? |
| 20:30.37 | yoh | http://pastebin.com/d79831a20 |
| 20:30.50 | wurp2|working | ecraven: killall xvkbd |
| 20:30.52 | Flinx | davi: However they do NOT have the WE version yet because the software isn't done ;) |
| 20:30.52 | ecraven | wurp2|working: most of them incorrectly ;P thanks for correcting |
| 20:30.58 | ecraven | wurp2|working: lol, is that the only way? |
| 20:31.02 | wurp2|working | But first ps -eaf | grep for it to find the way to start it up again |
| 20:31.06 | wurp2|working | ecraven: Sorry, dunno |
| 20:31.10 | wurp2|working | I just know *a* way |
| 20:31.12 | davi | Flinx, I actually hope the Openmoko version get first the market and be better than such W.E one |
| 20:31.17 | Flinx | davi: marketing or not, it is currently the same kit you get from OpenMoko |
| 20:31.19 | wurp2|working | ecraven: There may be a keyboard gadget for it |
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| 20:31.31 | Flinx | davi: I do to |
| 20:31.34 | yoh | anyone ran into similar may be? |
| 20:31.36 | wurp2|working | in which case, edit the matchbox-session to include the gadget, then use it |
| 20:31.48 | ecraven | wurp2|working: i only need a command-line way to hide/unhide it, then i can use mb-applet-launcher |
| 20:32.08 | ecraven | ah, someone should go and program an Erlang/Scheme/Lisp thingie for phones :( |
| 20:32.29 | yoh | may be my problem is within custom GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = "en_US.UTF-8 ru_RU.UTF-8 en_US en_US.ISO-8859-15 ru_RU.KOI8-R ru_RU.CP1251" ? |
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| 20:32.29 | wurp2|working | ecraven: Ah, for command line, I personally just whack it as described before |
| 20:32.38 | davi | Flinx, I would advice get first a good feature set, and then polish the look&feel, and then do the marketing campaign |
| 20:32.44 | wurp2|working | ecraven: There is a clisp for the neo |
| 20:32.45 | ecraven | mb-applet-launcher -k should work then |
| 20:33.00 | ecraven | wurp2|working: wish it had mcclim too :) |
| 20:33.08 | ecraven | also i didn't find it for debian yet.. |
| 20:33.12 | Flinx | davi: I know, thats how I would do it. but apparently Koolu thinks differently |
| 20:33.25 | wurp2|working | ecraven: I dunno much about lisp; I just saw people porting clisp to the neo |
| 20:33.54 | Flinx | davi: in either case it looks like the FR and the W.E can use the same software configs *snicker* |
| 20:33.57 | zedstar_ | chicken scheme runs nicely on the neo |
| 20:34.44 | ecraven | zedstar_: yes, but it lacks gui support of any sort :( |
| 20:34.49 | ecraven | well, *decent* gui support ;) |
| 20:35.04 | Flinx | *pokes the interwebs looking for where his Phone is* |
| 20:35.09 | davi | Flinx, In some way W.E in doing some marketing in favor of the Openmoko too, due to the hardware is the same |
| 20:35.41 | zedstar_ | ecraven hmm yeh im not sure the state of the gtk+ egg |
| 20:36.10 | Flinx | davi: I know. Its really awesome because they're promoting the sale of hardware. |
| 20:36.18 | davi | Flinx, Are you getting part of the profit of the hardware selling? |
| 20:36.42 | davi | so, that is all good news for you :)ç |
| 20:36.45 | Flinx | davi: nope. I'm just a consumer actually. and not affiliated with Koolu |
| 20:36.55 | davi | ah! |
| 20:37.32 | Flinx | davi: I'm just happy to see that the hardware is getting into the world because that means more money to support future development of the entire OpenMoko project |
| 20:37.40 | Zorkman | scrolling during mp3 playback makes the sound stutter.... |
| 20:38.01 | ecraven | i think doing *anything* during playback creates problems |
| 20:38.10 | Tanuva | is fiddling with his own mp3 player for the neo... |
| 20:38.15 | Flinx | davi: I also wasn't sure if you saw that bit about how the W.E phone = FR with OpenMoko |
| 20:38.29 | Tanuva | simple playback draws ~33% cpu atm |
| 20:38.45 | SpeedEvil | tanner: not inherently |
| 20:38.46 | ecraven | Tanuva: is that because the decoder isn't targetted for arm? |
| 20:38.54 | SpeedEvil | Tanuva: 18% on GTA01 |
| 20:39.03 | Tanuva | ecraven: dont ask me about such things, I'm just getting into gstreamer :D |
| 20:39.05 | SpeedEvil | Tanuva: with an old version of mplayer |
| 20:39.23 | davi | Flinx, Yes I saw it. I just wanted to report to this channel, hopping the Openmoko CIO would know about it |
| 20:39.31 | Flinx | odd question: what does the community need more. App Programmers or people that know ARM9? |
| 20:39.44 | ecraven | i thought we had an arm4? |
| 20:39.47 | SpeedEvil | Arm9 is almost irrelevant |
| 20:39.57 | SpeedEvil | assembler is irrelevant rather |
| 20:40.06 | SpeedEvil | And architecture. |
| 20:40.10 | Flinx | davi: Ahh. I would hope the OM CIO would know *chuckles* because to be a reseller I think they needed a licence agreement |
| 20:40.16 | SpeedEvil | Application level stuff is 99.9% of it. |
| 20:40.17 | Flinx | kay |
| 20:40.30 | Flinx | Cause I'm trying to figure out which path I should take |
| 20:40.36 | Flinx | and be most efficient at. |
| 20:41.10 | davi | later |
| 20:41.46 | Flinx | davi: cya :D |
| 20:42.17 | Flinx | so it looks like Python and C are on my list of things to learn. |
| 20:42.31 | SpeedEvil | Flinx: pretty much. |
| 20:42.51 | Flinx | good to know |
| 20:43.02 | Flinx | I should start now. |
| 20:43.16 | Tanuva | python is quite nice, just these self.* statements everywhere are a bit annoying |
| 20:43.35 | Flinx | ahh |
| 20:43.43 | Flinx | so between the two which is used more? |
| 20:43.51 | Flinx | so that I can prioritize? |
| 20:44.06 | SpeedEvil | Flinx: C is more in the low-level. |
| 20:44.32 | Flinx | kay so python for the app level is more in demand? (guesstimating?) |
| 20:44.43 | SpeedEvil | Flinx: python doesn't really have the performance in many cases. |
| 20:44.47 | ecraven | python is probably more productive for apps |
| 20:44.50 | SpeedEvil | In some cases it works just fine. |
| 20:45.01 | Flinx | k |
| 20:45.05 | ecraven | i'd say you need longer to be a good C programmer than you need to be a good Python programmer |
| 20:45.05 | SpeedEvil | More productive, often less fast. |
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| 20:45.14 | ecraven | yes, the usual trade-off :) |
| 20:45.15 | Flinx | good starting point |
| 20:45.19 | Flinx | hehe |
| 20:45.53 | Flinx | I've dabbled in a lot of languages. and I'm always trying to figure out the -best- way to help communities like this. |
| 20:45.56 | Tanuva | arrrgh... has anyone used this damn id3demux-gstreamer-plugin yet and could tell me how to get this into a pipeline? |
| 20:46.06 | zedstar_ | also with C u shud spend a bit of time learning tools like autoconf etc which will make your life a bit easier later |
| 20:46.41 | ecraven | go use SCons ;) |
| 20:46.49 | Flinx | Scons? |
| 20:47.09 | ecraven | more of a Make replacement, can't do what autotools/autoconf/libtool do |
| 20:47.11 | zedstar_ | or your favourite alternative yeh :) |
| 20:47.31 | Flinx | ah |
| 20:47.44 | ecraven | i am astonished by what libtool/automake/autoconf/auto... can do, but they *are* entirely unintelligible :) |
| 20:48.05 | Flinx | >.< |
| 20:48.29 | zedstar_ | the learning curve is a PITA |
| 20:48.34 | Flinx | Python it IS! |
| 20:48.46 | Flinx | besides I really love the TV show |
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| 20:55.02 | Flinx | >.< there used to be a nice table of distros on the wiki but i cant find it anymore |
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| 20:55.29 | Zorkman | Flinx: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 20:55.38 | Zorkman | (there is a link to it on the main page) |
| 20:55.40 | Flinx | thanks |
| 20:55.47 | Flinx | 0.o |
| 20:55.59 | Flinx | -.- I didn't scroll down far enough |
| 20:56.08 | Zorkman | np |
| 20:56.28 | CVirus | Flinx: now I know why they banned you out of #Debian :-p |
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| 21:01.28 | Flinx | oh? |
| 21:01.44 | Flinx | too noob for them? ;) |
| 21:02.59 | Tanuva | is the om-mediaplayer2 done in python? |
| 21:05.33 | lindi- | Tanuva: # hexdump -C /usr/bin/openmoko-mediaplayer| head -n1 |
| 21:05.34 | lindi- | 00000000 7f 45 4c 46 01 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |.ELF............| |
| 21:05.38 | Chox | nice |
| 21:05.43 | lindi- | Tanuva: looks too elfish to me |
| 21:05.46 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.52 | Flinx | Has anyone tried dual booting thier FR yet? |
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| 21:06.01 | Chox | yes, lots of people :p |
| 21:06.07 | lindi- | Pyrasi: what sound daemon does asu run? |
| 21:06.07 | Chox | those running Debian mainly |
| 21:06.08 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.31 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9415f50fe88c 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [opk] Fix the image files that passed IPKG_ARGS |
| 21:06.36 | Tanuva | lindi-: hm. Could have had that idea,too... >.< :D |
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| 21:06.40 | Flinx | thats cool |
| 21:06.42 | Chox | my company is going to run a nation-wide commerical. I'm not sure if I need to be embarassed or not. |
| 21:06.47 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.01 | lindi- | Pyrasi: it probably doesn't destroy anything |
| 21:07.23 | lindi- | Pyrasi: in the worst case it tries to activate your wlan |
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| 21:08.06 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.11 | Chox | why are you ill? |
| 21:08.18 | lindi- | Pyrasi: ala http://xkcd.com/416/ |
| 21:08.44 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.13 | Flinx | is there any clues to when SHR will start catching up to the other builds? |
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| 21:12.13 | El_Senator | i really like this one: http://xkcd.com/457/ |
| 21:12.33 | Flinx | I love XKCD |
| 21:13.05 | El_Senator | yeah, so simple, yet so deep |
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| 21:17.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r59c1dbecccf2 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Rename from spliner to om-locations |
| 21:17.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r438f8efb2bc7 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko] Add GTK applications into openmoko-asu-feed |
| 21:17.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r3eea04e132a7 10/ (23 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Rename from diversity-maps-* to om-maps-* |
| 21:17.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r374ace9cc9ed 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [exposure] Bump up the reversion of exposure to 63 |
| 21:17.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5cc82ccbc3fe 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [exposure] Bump up the reversion of exposure to 65 |
| 21:17.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd0778d859151 10/packages/openmoko-projects/exposure/setup-r62.diff: [exposure] The patch is not needed so remove it. |
| 21:17.38 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r03df71f91651 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin-thumbnail] Bump up the reversion of assassin-thumnail to 4580 |
| 21:17.38 | Chox | spamtastic |
| 21:17.38 | donomo | thats the spam of progress. |
| 21:17.38 | Chox | troo. |
| 21:17.39 | Chox | ohknows. |
| 21:17.39 | Chox | ohnoes. |
| 21:17.41 | Chox | Apple rumour mill again. |
| 21:17.48 | Chox | iPhone nano. |
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| 21:18.21 | Chox | R101! |
| 21:18.22 | leinir | Hehe, a friend said that he wanted an iPhone Shuffle ;) |
| 21:19.41 | almien | the one which randomly selects a friend to phone? |
| 21:20.04 | Chox | no, that's WWTBAM |
| 21:20.12 | Zorkman | what does the "Terminal=true" command do in the .desktop file? I can't see a difference when it is true or false |
| 21:20.14 | leinir | almien: *giggles* That'll be it ;) |
| 21:21.52 | sigi_ | anyone ever tried to run ArchLinux on a freerunner? How hard would that be to do? |
| 21:22.02 | Chox | very |
| 21:22.06 | Chox | you'd have to port it to ARM |
| 21:22.14 | sigi_ | true |
| 21:22.31 | sigi_ | stupid me |
| 21:23.27 | Flinx | wait/... spam of progress?/ 0.o |
| 21:23.47 | Flinx | what about NetBSD |
| 21:23.51 | Flinx | that runs on Everything |
| 21:25.09 | Hobart | leinir -> hey, perhaps configured via iTunes on a host PC, and only featuring voice dialing :) |
| 21:25.34 | Hobart | I think the ipodlinux guys were weenies for not trying a port to the Shuffle just because it's headless |
| 21:25.40 | zash | Zorkman: Terminal=true is suposed to run a command in a terminal |
| 21:26.04 | zash | Zorkman: does so in gnome at least. probably needs some config somewhere |
| 21:26.21 | Zorkman | zash: there is no terminal that pops-up on the 2007.2 when i use that... |
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| 21:27.16 | zash | Zorkman: then i would guess that some config is missing |
| 21:28.13 | zash | in gnome it is in gconf:/desktop/gnome/applications/terminal |
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| 21:28.42 | zash | exec:"xterm", exec_arg:"-e" |
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| 21:29.08 | zash | duno if there is gconf in 07.2 |
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| 21:29.13 | Flinx | why are so maybe people leaving |
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| 21:29.18 | Zorkman | netsplit |
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| 21:30.26 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu * r7b217f96c2ea 10/apps-fdo/Applications/qtopia-mediaplayer.desktop: [mediaplayer] Remove one category to show the app only once on the illume desktop |
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| 21:32.14 | Flinx | strange |
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| 21:35.15 | Tanuva | arrr... isn't there an easier way of rendering the contents of a folder (clickably) than the gtk.TreeView widget? |
| 21:35.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r42d7cba6b89b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get Julian's mediaplayer.desktop change |
| 21:35.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r40faf73d54d2 10/packages/openmoko-projects/exposure/setup-r62.diff: [exposure] The patch is not needed so remove it. |
| 21:35.30 | aggtrfrad | where do i get the source/headers for the openmoko release? |
| 21:36.09 | lindi- | aggtrfrad: that's quite large questio i'm afraid :) |
| 21:36.34 | aggtrfrad | y? |
| 21:36.50 | lindi- | aggtrfrad: well, i am trying to figure that out myself right now too |
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| 21:43.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r05866adfe1e4 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko] Add python-gst to the feed. |
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| 21:44.26 | nielsle | I just flashed FSO on my new openmoko, and it looks cool. But now I would like to get on the internet and use openmoko to install even more packages and get some OSM-maps. Is there an easy way to do this in FSO? As far as I can see there is no wifi. |
| 21:44.30 | dtx | ~shr |
| 21:44.31 | apt | from memory, shr is Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 21:47.08 | dtx | any idea when there will be a release of SHR? |
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| 21:49.06 | Flinx | I asked the same thing |
| 21:49.19 | Flinx | cause the wiki shows very little info about whats happening wiht it. |
| 21:50.05 | dtx | yeah |
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| 21:50.23 | Quai | so many tla's :/ |
| 21:50.42 | dtx | Need like a twitter type interface for projects to post what's going on |
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| 21:52.14 | Flinx | woah.. twitter is neat |
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| 21:53.07 | Zorkman | i have this process running: 0.5 7923 root mplayer -quiet http://relay.slayradio.org:8000/ but when i do "killall mplayer" it doesn't kill anything |
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| 21:53.17 | pjz | is there a way to get your FR's serial number from software? |
| 21:53.26 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:53.30 | tuXXX | Zorkman: try with killall -9 mplayer ? |
| 21:53.31 | Zorkman | i get killall: cannot kill pid 7908: No such process |
| 21:53.37 | lindi- | Zorkman: hah, you still have it running? ;) |
| 21:53.37 | SpeedEvil | how depedns on which serial number Pjz. |
| 21:53.52 | tuXXX | (or pkill) |
| 21:53.57 | Zorkman | lindi-: yes, when i ps -eo pcpu,pid,user,args i can see it |
| 21:54.44 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2a71691689f9 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko] Add python-gst to the feed. |
| 21:54.44 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc31f36f57e5b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia, two ATD related changes for testing |
| 21:54.45 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r186d40a5117b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get some bugfixes and semi experimental changes |
| 21:54.46 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf2c8b0422b1e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia for various changes to SIM/modem handling |
| 21:54.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rac58de59f882 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get Julian's mediaplayer.desktop change |
| 21:54.50 | Zorkman | killall -9 worked, thanks! |
| 21:55.03 | Zorkman | what does that "-9" do? |
| 21:55.12 | pjz | Zorkman: SIGKILL |
| 21:55.19 | pjz | Zorkman: man kill for details |
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| 21:55.33 | dtx | Zorkman: it automatically sacrifices your first born child to satan |
| 21:56.01 | Zorkman | better make it a twin then |
| 21:56.08 | dtx | yeah |
| 21:56.35 | Chox | or you end up with a zombie process |
| 21:56.42 | Chox | and I stab the person who says "lol" to that |
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| 21:57.13 | Zorkman | are you saying I should avoid this command Chox? |
| 21:57.13 | wurp2|working | lol |
| 21:57.24 | Chox | slaps wurp2 repeatedly. |
| 21:57.30 | Flinx | heh |
| 21:57.34 | Flinx | Zombies are fun |
| 21:57.36 | dtx | preemptively stabs Chox. |
| 21:57.37 | dtx | lol |
| 21:57.42 | wurp2|working | lol |
| 21:57.59 | dtx | preemptive is the American way |
| 21:58.17 | dtx | or so I hear |
| 21:58.37 | Chox | Preemptive instant gratification |
| 21:59.08 | dtx | yeah |
| 21:59.13 | dtx | thats the way to be |
| 21:59.19 | dtx | Windows 95 taught me that |
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| 22:00.27 | Flinx | lol |
| 22:00.33 | Chox | lolosers |
| 22:00.55 | Chox | aplol? |
| 22:04.18 | Flinx | if my FR isn't waiting for me when I get home I'm going to be sad |
| 22:09.16 | Flinx | aight well I'm going to go home now |
| 22:09.18 | Flinx | cya :D |
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| 22:13.29 | aggtrfrad | linux headers for the official release for FR? |
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| 22:14.18 | aggtrfrad | or maybe theu are the same as at kernel.org, unmodified |
| 22:15.25 | nicfer | one question, does the freerunner support ap mode? |
| 22:15.48 | nicfer | so it may be able to create a wireless PAN? |
| 22:16.06 | mjr | does not |
| 22:20.26 | aggtrfrad | only if u connect a usb wireless stick or if atheros release the firmware someday so it can be edited |
| 22:21.28 | nicfer | http://www.fsf.org/news/ath9k ? |
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| 22:23.01 | mjr | nicfer, the fr has a6k, it's an embedded series |
| 22:23.11 | mjr | the limitation is also in the firmware, not the driver |
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| 22:24.21 | Zorkman | maybe if the freerunner sells better than expected they will be willing to release the firmware? |
| 22:24.43 | Zorkman | wishful thinking probably... |
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| 22:26.24 | mjr | highly likely |
| 22:26.26 | aggtrfrad | what happened with the FR production anyway? |
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| 22:32.53 | yoh | did anyone ran into "../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_eh" ... while building glibc? apparently missing -L<skip>build.x86_64-linux.arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gcc> |
| 22:33.06 | yoh | but I am not sure what is the appropriate fix |
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| 22:44.12 | rooly | are there any media player apps in place of the default om2007.2 one? |
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| 22:55.02 | p0seid0n_ | hi. does someone know how i get tangoGPS work with FSO ?? |
| 22:55.19 | p0seid0n_ | are there any addtional steps needed ? |
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| 23:00.13 | donomo | p0seid0n_: i just clicked on GPS at the home screen |
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| 23:02.30 | alphaone | p0seid0n_: Should work ootb |
| 23:02.47 | alphaone | unless you have one of the broken frameworkd |
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| 23:03.43 | donomo | its confusing that fso milestone2 refers to release_notes3 |
| 23:03.57 | donomo | for a second i thought milestone3 was out |
| 23:04.36 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r8bc6729d73ba 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (gpsdevice.py ubx.py): ogpsd: Fix org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Time |
| 23:05.00 | donomo | woot for an FSO commit :) |
| 23:05.34 | alphaone | hehe |
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| 23:07.33 | rooly | so, is there an alternative music player for om |
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| 23:12.54 | donomo | rooly: i hope so :) |
| 23:17.37 | blan | it is planned to release a freerunner v2 which fix some bugs like gps + microSD in hardware? |
| 23:17.57 | aggtrfrad | no |
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| 23:19.33 | blan | it there a list with known bugs? |
| 23:22.03 | peter__b | docs.openmoko.org |
| 23:22.42 | aggtrfrad | the only hardware bugs are the sdCard/GPS problem, and the gps_antenna soldering problem, which is a very rare case |
| 23:22.44 | donomo | blan: id bet the hardware guys already have a new rev of the board for the microsd+gps fix |
| 23:22.44 | pjz | blan: I sure hope they don't bother for that little bug; I'd rather they spend the time on GTA03 |
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| 23:23.07 | SpeedEvil | GTA05. |
| 23:23.16 | SpeedEvil | We need the solid hologramatic display. |
| 23:23.23 | pjz | heh |
| 23:23.49 | pjz | man people whine a lot |
| 23:24.08 | rooly | so yeah |
| 23:24.13 | rooly | anyone know how well vlc plays? |
| 23:24.18 | rooly | on the FR |
| 23:24.37 | cjb | I'd bet that that fix is integrated into production too |
| 23:24.37 | blan | hm GTA05 is like freerunner v2 isnt it? |
| 23:24.50 | cjb | ECO's like that don't take a new board rev, you just make the change and keep building |
| 23:26.05 | rooly | hrmph |
| 23:26.14 | rooly | is gonna try and build vlc for the FR |
| 23:26.20 | rooly | cause the included music player just sucks |
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| 23:26.56 | lindi- | just apt-get install it |
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| 23:27.47 | GirlRiver | I have NAND version U-Boot 1.3.2-rc2-dirty-moko12 (Apr 2 2008) and have been advised to update it before I flash to FSO, can anyone tell me where to find the updated version ? |
| 23:27.48 | lindi- | if it works well, consider trying to figure out how to build it without using help from debian build scripts |
| 23:28.38 | kgoetz | cool -> Subject: Bug#493697: ITP: mobile-manager -- mobile manager GPRS/3G daemon |
| 23:29.46 | rooly | lindi-, i'm using om2007.2 |
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| 23:31.44 | kd8ikt | GirlRiver: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080804/ |
| 23:32.03 | kd8ikt | more then likely its version uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin |
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| 23:32.21 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt: thank you |
| 23:33.23 | kd8ikt | GirlRiver: dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin |
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| 23:34.18 | kd8ikt | you about to do some dual boot stuff? |
| 23:34.36 | linuxxr | how to find the version of freerunner? |
| 23:34.49 | kd8ikt | libgsm-tool -m |
| 23:35.11 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Finding_hardware_revision |
| 23:36.53 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, shoudl I do the U-Boot flash from NAND or NOR |
| 23:37.05 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, not dual booting yet ... |
| 23:37.06 | cesarb | Finally I found out why I was running out of disk space so easily... had an old copy of a mokomakefile build tree stashed somewhere in the same partition! |
| 23:37.35 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: old and working? |
| 23:37.57 | kd8ikt | GirlRiver: it dont matter cause its loaded into ram |
| 23:38.16 | GirlRiver | kd8ikt, k, thanx |
| 23:38.40 | linuxxr | GTA02BV5 |
| 23:38.41 | kd8ikt | always boots NAND cause its latest |
| 23:38.44 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: nah, just old leftovers ;-) |
| 23:38.51 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: but I managed to get 2.6.26 almost working on GTA01 |
| 23:39.05 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: only SD is oopsing, see my mailing list posts |
| 23:39.10 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:39.11 | kd8ikt | but make sure your NOR works too there were a couple that shipped with corrupted nor |
| 23:39.22 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: that build tree had _2.6.22.5_ on it... :P |
| 23:39.33 | kd8ikt | and ya need a dboard to reflash that |
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| 23:53.14 | kgoetz | wtf. |
| 23:53.25 | kgoetz | my -test upgrade worked, my upgrade fails with 404s :| |
| 23:53.33 | GirlRiver | yip that worked now going to flash FSO |
| 23:58.19 | GirlRiver | can anyone point me to the latest fso ? |
| 23:58.34 | kd8ikt | heh kgoetz |
| 23:58.39 | kd8ikt | sorry but thats funny |
| 23:59.29 | kgoetz | kd8ikt: glad you think so :P |
