| 00:27.57 | aggtrfrad | nah how can i edit the applications menu :/ |
| 00:30.21 | mmaestri | Chox: are you there? |
| 00:31.21 | mmaestri | https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1695 |
| 00:31.27 | mmaestri | literally: opkg r4562 segfaults like hell |
| 00:32.02 | Flinx | egads.! |
| 00:32.42 | Flinx | sooo... |
| 00:32.50 | Flinx | I had a question... >.> |
| 00:32.59 | mmaestri | i've downloaded opkg sources from svn, revision 4564 |
| 00:33.00 | Flinx | it just ran away from me >.<! |
| 00:33.12 | kd8ikt | feel free not to explain it |
| 00:33.39 | mmaestri | can't compile it yet |
| 00:33.40 | kd8ikt | mwahaha |
| 00:35.27 | mmaestri | can anyone compile opkg r4564? |
| 00:35.38 | mmaestri | it's not in repos yet |
| 00:36.10 | Flinx | uh.. |
| 00:36.18 | Flinx | I'd love to |
| 00:36.26 | Flinx | but my build environment isn't set up ;) |
| 00:36.59 | kd8ikt | now might be a great time to tackle it |
| 00:37.24 | Flinx | I am actually |
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| 00:38.08 | mmaestri | kd8ikt: do you have the toolchain working? |
| 00:38.32 | kd8ikt | i'm doing a whole mokomake dev-image so it might be awhile before it spits out opkg.ipk |
| 00:38.33 | mmaestri | i'm having errors about libcurl and gpg when linking |
| 00:39.46 | kd8ikt | where can i d/l it |
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| 00:40.04 | kd8ikt | http://svn.openmoko.org/? |
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| 00:40.29 | mmaestri | http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/opkg/ |
| 00:41.22 | aggtrfrad | how can i manage the application menu entries on the freerunner stable releasE? |
| 00:42.14 | kd8ikt | r4566? |
| 00:42.54 | ieatlint | so i got an interesting idea for a phone feature last night... |
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| 00:43.19 | ieatlint | on t-mobile us, if i dial #646#, i get a cell broadcast message reply telling me how many minutes i've used (or, if prepaid, how many i have left) |
| 00:43.52 | ieatlint | one could write an application that tracked how much were used/left and give warnings or a progress bar type deal |
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| 00:44.05 | mmaestri | kd8ikt: right |
| 00:45.20 | kd8ikt | copy that rogue leader |
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| 00:45.56 | Flinx | .... I'm lost. |
| 00:46.00 | kd8ikt | just like shooting swaprats with my ti-83 |
| 00:46.26 | kgoetz | what a moment to join! :D |
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| 00:46.58 | Flinx | lol |
| 00:47.41 | Flinx | ... If wanted to just emulate the FR hardware and maybe play with app development where do I start >.> |
| 00:48.56 | cjb | anyone tried GPRS on AT&T Gophone? |
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| 00:51.39 | mmaestri | kd8ikt: any trouble? |
| 00:51.46 | mmaestri | did it worked? |
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| 00:54.58 | kd8ikt | no |
| 00:55.08 | tdobson | when people run this command on their openmoko, what do they get normally? # "libgsmd-tool -m atcmd" |
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| 00:55.34 | mmaestri | kd8ikt: any error? |
| 00:57.15 | kd8ikt | gimmie a sec to fix it |
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| 01:00.18 | Flinx | 0.o |
| 01:00.26 | Flinx | the Wiki page is being very unhelpful... |
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| 01:01.06 | Flinx | I'm guessing, from what I'm reading, that qemu can run the FSO Image? |
| 01:02.00 | Flinx | NEVERMIND!... I found it.. |
| 01:02.12 | railer | so anyone using qtopia in here? |
| 01:02.33 | kd8ikt | ok i think i fixed it mmaestri |
| 01:02.40 | mmaestri | great |
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| 01:02.49 | kd8ikt | make is now running |
| 01:03.04 | kd8ikt | now onto the wtf it was erroring |
| 01:03.05 | mmaestri | hope it ends :) |
| 01:03.21 | mmaestri | let me guess: -lcurl |
| 01:03.40 | kd8ikt | your local dir /usr/local/openmoko/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/pkgconfig/ |
| 01:03.48 | kd8ikt | was missing the libcurl.pc |
| 01:03.50 | kd8ikt | file |
| 01:04.08 | mmaestri | so it worked? |
| 01:04.25 | kd8ikt | personally i think that lil toolchain tarball is flawed |
| 01:04.34 | kd8ikt | nah it crapped on something else |
| 01:05.12 | mmaestri | unreferenced functions? |
| 01:05.34 | Flinx | hrm... |
| 01:05.50 | Flinx | has anyone gotten the GTA02 emulation to work on XP? |
| 01:07.12 | netx | i'm considering flashing to FSO |
| 01:07.49 | netx | when the devs fix FSO bugs, do they get pushed out via opkg, or do i have to wait and flash periodically? |
| 01:10.52 | kd8ikt | mmaestri: you should prolly stick with mokomake and not use just that lil toolchain pkg |
| 01:11.06 | kd8ikt | it works for simple hello world and thats about it |
| 01:12.27 | kd8ikt | bear in mind i havent spent much time with the makefile i've just recenly gotten it all updates and on my second full image compile |
| 01:12.51 | kd8ikt | in fact i reinstalled ubuntu like 2 days ago to have a clean slate to work with |
| 01:13.48 | kd8ikt | took quite a lolt of pkgs to get an env that mokomake likes |
| 01:15.14 | mmaestri | kd8ikt: that's what i was afraid of |
| 01:15.51 | mmaestri | the toolchain worked a few times for me |
| 01:15.54 | kd8ikt | stays away from the prebuilt toolchain |
| 01:16.14 | kd8ikt | see what happens when you tell mokomake to make openmoko-toolchian |
| 01:16.29 | mmaestri | but i'll do the mokomakefile thing when i get home |
| 01:18.01 | mmaestri | kd8ikt: so you got the ipk finally? |
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| 01:23.40 | kd8ikt | no |
| 01:24.04 | kd8ikt | your messing with fso latest arent you? |
| 01:24.14 | mmaestri | yeah :p |
| 01:24.29 | kd8ikt | just install what pkgs you need upgrade wont work |
| 01:24.42 | kd8ikt | or so that's what happened for me |
| 01:25.07 | mmaestri | upgrade doesn't work because of segfault |
| 01:25.17 | kd8ikt | yeah i've seen it |
| 01:25.23 | mmaestri | in r4562 |
| 01:25.40 | mmaestri | that's why I asked you to compile r4566 |
| 01:26.15 | mmaestri | according to the bugtracker, it was solved |
| 01:26.16 | kd8ikt | it'll take me a long time before my env is setup |
| 01:26.20 | mmaestri | ok |
| 01:26.39 | kd8ikt | NOTE: package curl-sdk-7.18.0-r0: task do_compile: started |
| 01:26.56 | mmaestri | i'm gonna eat right now |
| 01:27.15 | mmaestri | thx for the advice, i'll try mokomakefile later |
| 01:27.40 | mmaestri | anyway, i was hoping to get opkg working to make an upgrade |
| 01:27.59 | mmaestri | see ya |
| 01:29.46 | Dave | kay dee eight eye kay tee |
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| 01:32.55 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickey * r4567 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-battery/ (ChangeLog configure.ac src/openmoko-panel-battery.c): battery-applet: add libnotify support. closes ticket #1156 |
| 01:34.48 | kd8ikt | dave |
| 01:37.51 | MadTBone | what progress has been made on the power management front? particularly in regards to cpu frequency scaling and suspend/resume |
| 01:37.53 | MadTBone | ? |
| 01:38.04 | SpeedEvil | None yet really. |
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| 01:41.21 | MadTBone | is there no existing kernel mod for cpufreq or the like for this ARM? |
| 01:41.48 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 01:41.56 | SpeedEvil | cesarb is working on something apparantly. |
| 01:42.31 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickey * r4568 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokopanelui2/ (ChangeLog configure.ac): libmokopanelui2: add dependency to gtk+-2.0. fixes ticket #1271 |
| 01:45.15 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: hi ;-) |
| 01:45.41 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: you've finished the CPUfreq work, on GTA01-4? |
| 01:45.43 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:45.49 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: nope :( |
| 01:45.58 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: real life intruded and I stopped for more than a month |
| 01:46.03 | SpeedEvil | Oh well. |
| 01:46.18 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: when I came back, the development environment I had been using had split in at least three branches |
| 01:46.24 | SpeedEvil | Any prospect of anything happening in the future. Know how it is for life to get into teh way. |
| 01:46.25 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: none of them with a working keyboard |
| 01:46.43 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 01:47.06 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickey * r4569 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-standard-2[-qvga]: set fallback font size (if no settings daemon is used) |
| 01:47.34 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: and to top it, I had to switch branches a couple of times before finding out there's something broken with u-boot (doesn't boot within qemu), so I switched back to the famous "august snapshot" I still use on the device |
| 01:48.08 | netx | has anyone else noticed their moko interfering with their computer? |
| 01:48.21 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: more annoying: at least ASU suspends within qemu. How do I wake it up within qemu? |
| 01:48.36 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: phone it? :) |
| 01:48.44 | cesarb | In other words, they changed *everything* and it takes time for me to adjust back... |
| 01:49.13 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: can't you just get it wokring on the last version you had, then work on porting? |
| 01:49.19 | netx | i have noticed that when i have my moko on (device on, gsm on, other radios off) and near my computer... |
| 01:49.30 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I nuked my old build environment :( |
| 01:49.34 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 01:49.35 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: only have space for one at a time |
| 01:49.35 | netx | the moko will periodically make little buzzing sounds |
| 01:49.45 | SpeedEvil | netx: not the devices? |
| 01:49.47 | netx | and when that happens, my desktop goes haywire |
| 01:50.01 | SpeedEvil | netx: EMI problems from the GSM transmitter. |
| 01:50.08 | cesarb | netx: your grounding seems broken |
| 01:50.13 | SpeedEvil | netx: do you have a proper case on your box? |
| 01:50.16 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickey * r4570 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-standard-2[-qvga]: hint icon theme to use, if not using settings daemon |
| 01:50.25 | netx | proper case yes, but the cover is off |
| 01:50.34 | SpeedEvil | put it back on |
| 01:50.51 | netx | so you are saying that EM from the gsm radio is messing with the computer? |
| 01:51.00 | SpeedEvil | netx: yes |
| 01:51.10 | Flinx | not unheardof actually |
| 01:51.12 | SpeedEvil | netx: much like it makes some peoples heads explode. |
| 01:51.14 | netx | um, negative on putting the case back on, for various rasons |
| 01:51.21 | Flinx | like mobile phones messing with Speakers |
| 01:51.51 | netx | well, fortunately it only does one weird thing |
| 01:51.54 | cesarb | netx: you know the reason computer cases are made of metal? |
| 01:52.03 | netx | yeah, i understand that |
| 01:52.14 | cesarb | netx: they are made of metal to protect the computer from outside interference (and the outside from computer interference) |
| 01:52.22 | netx | it's just that in all the years i have been running this computer (7 years) |
| 01:52.29 | netx | this is the first incidence of this happening |
| 01:52.41 | netx | and i have had the case off the whole time |
| 01:52.51 | SpeedEvil | netx: have you had a GSM phone near it before? |
| 01:53.07 | netx | correct, i have not had any phone before |
| 01:53.28 | netx | the problem is, my computer, ahem, no longer fits inside the case... |
| 01:53.30 | netx | ;-) |
| 01:53.36 | SpeedEvil | Bigger case. |
| 01:53.45 | SpeedEvil | Or make a new one from chicken-wire. |
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| 01:53.48 | netx | Lian Li V2000 |
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| 01:53.58 | netx | they don't come much bigger, and i don't have room ;-) |
| 01:54.21 | netx | hmm, i could try a wire mesh |
| 01:54.35 | netx | or i could put the phone on the other side of the room |
| 01:55.20 | kd8ikt-moko | <---pidgin+openmoko |
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| 01:55.49 | kd8ikt-moko | this is pretty sweet |
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| 01:57.08 | netx | anyway, the one weird thing that happens when my phone is near my computer |
| 01:57.20 | netx | is that the compiz desktop slider activates |
| 01:57.30 | netx | kinda funny actually |
| 01:57.36 | netx | it just spins back and forth |
| 01:57.40 | SpeedEvil | if you ubpolug the mouse does it do that? |
| 01:57.46 | SpeedEvil | try wrapping hte mouse in foil too |
| 01:57.53 | netx | heh |
| 01:57.57 | kd8ikt-moko | ;) |
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| 02:15.06 | feydreva | hey |
| 02:15.48 | Sargun | Hello. |
| 02:15.52 | feydreva | I flashed my FR with the ASU, image of the 22nd of july. I cannot receive nor make call ... any idea why ? do I have to install somthing else ? |
| 02:16.47 | netx | so i just propped the case cover over the opening so it covers as much of the opening as possible |
| 02:16.58 | netx | let's see if that stops the buzzing |
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| 02:17.34 | Sargun | feydreva, Ouch. |
| 02:17.50 | Sargun | feydreva, Flash it with a new ASU release? |
| 02:18.09 | feydreva | the one of the 22nd |
| 02:18.24 | feydreva | it s the most recent one I found on the daily released |
| 02:18.36 | Sargun | Oh. |
| 02:18.43 | Sargun | Why don't you flash with 2007.2? |
| 02:19.08 | feydreva | hum I tried the one of the 30th... |
| 02:19.16 | feydreva | and it s was worse than the orinigal... |
| 02:19.27 | feydreva | it could register to the network |
| 02:19.43 | feydreva | I am trying to get a version, that ring when I recive phone call.... |
| 02:19.59 | feydreva | because it s sucks for a phone to not ring, when someone calls you |
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| 02:21.50 | stevenS1 | feydrea: I found I had better luck with the ASU for July 21 over 22 |
| 02:22.11 | feydreva | ok I may try.. |
| 02:22.43 | feydreva | the strange things is.. different time, I get different behaviour of the phone... like 2 hrs ago... I could't call nor receive, now it see to work |
| 02:25.20 | feydreva | hum i found what it is... if the FR is NOT connected to the computer, I cannot receive or make call, if it is connected, calling and receiving works fine... |
| 02:25.33 | kgoetz | can i safely change the hostname of the FR from its default? |
| 02:26.35 | rtm | kgoetz: Yes. |
| 02:26.57 | kgoetz | rtm: thanks |
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| 02:35.23 | pabs3 | is it safe to update the kernel yet? |
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| 02:36.14 | kd8ikt | no it will explode! if you do! |
| 02:36.43 | rtm | pabs3: Why might it be unsafe? |
| 02:36.59 | pabs3 | the one from a few days ago wouldn't boot |
| 02:37.14 | pabs3 | had to revert to the build from the 27th |
| 02:38.01 | kd8ikt | the unstability of the kernel allows freeradicals to bombard with the ions in the battery causing a nuclear explosion |
| 02:38.35 | rtm | But if we can control it, we'll have cold fusion. |
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| 02:40.41 | Flinx | Hawt... I have the pre-built emulated Binary working!! |
| 02:40.58 | Flinx | almost >.> |
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| 02:41.24 | Flinx | YAY! |
| 02:41.50 | kgoetz | pabs3: i *just* updated then incuding a bunch of kernel modules |
| 02:42.24 | Flinx | So it looks like I need Subversion huh... |
| 02:43.11 | kgoetz | and its rebooted. |
| 02:43.53 | SirBob1701 | are tehre any asu image update available after july 21st? |
| 02:45.05 | Flinx | anyone have experience with the Windows Emulation of OpenMoko? |
| 02:51.00 | mmaestri | anyone using FSO m2? |
| 02:51.07 | Chocky | just me and you ;-) |
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| 02:51.31 | Flinx | claws at qemu |
| 02:51.37 | feydreva | pabs3, I install the kernel of the july 30th, and it works fine |
| 02:51.47 | mmaestri | Chocky: so...still with a broken opkg, huh? |
| 02:51.55 | SirBob1701 | Chocky: is FSO m2 just the basics still? |
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| 02:52.09 | kd8ikt | love its keyboard |
| 02:52.16 | Chocky | well, since I talked to you, I went home, had dinner, pulled up the desk to get at a tree, gave kid a bath, and here I am :o |
| 02:52.30 | Chocky | yes, but for different values of "basics" |
| 02:52.44 | kd8ikt | sms recieve is kinda blundered |
| 02:52.51 | SirBob1701 | how so ? |
| 02:52.55 | mmaestri | SirBob1701: it's on the right path. it needs work, as all the others |
| 02:53.16 | SirBob1701 | true. I'm waiting for a new ASU image. Still running july 21st lol |
| 02:53.45 | Chocky | er s/desk/deck/ |
| 02:54.40 | feydreva | SirBob1701, I just finished install the ASU of the 21st :) |
| 02:54.53 | Flinx | is everyone here running some flavor of linux? |
| 02:55.02 | SirBob1701 | feydreva: don't opkg upgrade lol |
| 02:55.03 | feydreva | debian for me :) |
| 02:55.13 | feydreva | SirBob1701, yep I understand that |
| 02:55.18 | SirBob1701 | i'm on debian |
| 02:55.34 | Flinx | I'm downloading Debian |
| 02:55.37 | mmaestri | Chocky: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1695 |
| 02:55.52 | mmaestri | in case you haven't seen it before |
| 02:55.56 | Flinx | but I'm trying to update the image in my Windows qemu |
| 02:56.03 | Flinx | but not seeing how it needs to be done >.<! |
| 02:56.10 | Sargun | I'm trying to build an image of FSO |
| 02:58.46 | feydreva | SirBob1701, can you pass phone call ? |
| 02:58.54 | feydreva | SirBob1701, with the ASU of the 21st |
| 02:59.01 | SirBob1701 | pass phone call? |
| 02:59.13 | feydreva | Calling someone |
| 02:59.26 | SirBob1701 | oh ya |
| 02:59.30 | feydreva | hum... |
| 02:59.33 | feydreva | i cannot :/ |
| 02:59.36 | SirBob1701 | im using it as my daily phone |
| 02:59.49 | SirBob1701 | needs a reboot everynow and then |
| 03:00.11 | Flinx | ... |
| 03:00.17 | SirBob1701 | ? |
| 03:00.33 | feydreva | hum |
| 03:00.37 | SirBob1701 | i notice if you let the thing sit a long time it won't call. i'm guessing a memory leak or something |
| 03:00.44 | feydreva | I can call if the FR is connected to the PC.... |
| 03:00.53 | feydreva | If my FR is not connected, I cannot call... |
| 03:01.01 | feydreva | on the july 21st ASU |
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| 03:04.01 | Flinx | When I get my Debian running, will one of you Debian users be able to help me get my system running? |
| 03:04.20 | cjb | you want to run Debian on the FR? |
| 03:04.26 | torindel | just fixed ogsmd parser in fso so it works with his second sim |
| 03:04.29 | torindel | yawns |
| 03:04.33 | cjb | that sounds like a good way not to have it work as a cell phone :) |
| 03:04.48 | Flinx | Right now I'm just trying to figure out how to get a build environment >.<! |
| 03:05.00 | feydreva | Flinx, there is a lot of support for debian :) and the install work fine, and you should get it running pretty easely |
| 03:05.01 | torindel | cjb: that sound like a good way to have it not work as anything |
| 03:05.09 | Flinx | and the Wikis really are sucking hard... |
| 03:05.17 | torindel | cjb: just dont forget to install full gnome or full kde ;] |
| 03:05.18 | Flinx | thanks feydreva! |
| 03:05.46 | feydreva | Flinx, i m running debian for few years.. and yes the wiki debian sucks... but google rocks :) |
| 03:05.47 | SirBob1701 | am i the only one not using gnome, kde, or e? |
| 03:05.59 | Flinx | Pfft.. |
| 03:06.07 | Flinx | I'm good at Google |
| 03:06.09 | feydreva | SirBob1701, I use gnome on debian |
| 03:06.28 | SirBob1701 | i'm using ion3 :P |
| 03:06.34 | torindel | SirBob1701: e17/xfce here |
| 03:06.40 | Flinx | but why would instructions for setting up a test/build environment NOT be on the OM site? >.> |
| 03:06.46 | feydreva | so.. i still do not know why I cannot call anybody with my ASU :/ |
| 03:07.05 | torindel | feydreva: tryied fso? ;p |
| 03:07.09 | SirBob1701 | torindel: i tried it i liked it alot more then gnome or kde. |
| 03:07.32 | Flinx | it'd be /nice/ if I could figure out the Windows qemu... but thats not looking very promising -.- |
| 03:07.40 | feydreva | torindel, hum not yet :) I want a version that can received call, and make calls.. and Ring... |
| 03:07.47 | feydreva | so i can use it as a phone :) |
| 03:07.54 | Flinx | lol |
| 03:07.56 | torindel | feydreva: get fso-milestone2 |
| 03:07.57 | Flinx | what a novel idea ;) |
| 03:08.05 | feydreva | ah ah :) |
| 03:08.12 | feydreva | ok torindel i will give it a try :) |
| 03:08.23 | Flinx | how does one get fso-milestone2? |
| 03:08.26 | torindel | you'll have basic sms and contacts support too |
| 03:08.39 | kd8ikt | downloads.openmoko |
| 03:08.43 | Flinx | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2? |
| 03:08.48 | Flinx | ... sans ? |
| 03:08.55 | feydreva | openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080730-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 ? right ? |
| 03:08.59 | torindel | feydreva: on openmoko |
| 03:09.04 | torindel | Flinx: * ^ |
| 03:09.06 | feydreva | Flinx, francais or quebec ? |
| 03:09.40 | Flinx | eh... |
| 03:09.45 | torindel | feydreva: thats for gta01 |
| 03:09.54 | feydreva | oh yes :) |
| 03:09.55 | Flinx | I just like the word sans :p |
| 03:09.57 | torindel | feydreva: openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary in same dir is for gta02 |
| 03:10.01 | feydreva | ok |
| 03:10.07 | feydreva | Flinx, lol ok :) |
| 03:10.55 | feydreva | so I have to remove the .summary before uploading it ? or thta s ok ? |
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| 03:11.02 | feydreva | do I have to ... ? |
| 03:11.20 | torindel | feydreva: you dont have too |
| 03:11.32 | feydreva | ok |
| 03:11.33 | torindel | just flash it as normal |
| 03:11.38 | mmaestri | feydreva: beware of the fact that it comes with a broken opkg |
| 03:12.00 | mmaestri | it segfaults when you try to upgrade |
| 03:12.10 | Flinx | is it possible to take the *.jffs2 image and run it in qemu? |
| 03:12.15 | feydreva | hum, upgrade seems to be messed up for every version of software |
| 03:12.26 | torindel | Flinx: for gta01 yes |
| 03:12.33 | mmaestri | it's opkg, not fso |
| 03:12.37 | Flinx | kay |
| 03:12.39 | torindel | Flinx: gta02 isnt fully emulated |
| 03:12.56 | Flinx | the wiki says that there is a kernel patch for gta02 |
| 03:13.17 | torindel | i.e. you get incompatible crossing between gta01/gta02 emulated hardware |
| 03:13.30 | Flinx | kay |
| 03:14.17 | torindel | Flinx: if you want to test you can just install images onto your sd card in moko and boot them btw |
| 03:14.31 | torindel | no need to flash primary memory |
| 03:14.33 | Flinx | I dun have the FR yet |
| 03:15.07 | Flinx | I want to play with things and get used to the process of what I have to do in terms of updates/flashing |
| 03:16.16 | *** join/#openmoko oon_ (n=oon@ankhoon.net) |
| 03:16.21 | Flinx | but I don't have a Debian system yet. |
| 03:17.00 | feydreva | torindel, is it really unsafe to upgrade u-boot ? and wich function the new u-boot offers ? (one is to be able to boot on ext3..) |
| 03:17.27 | Yanroy | so I've been messing with my FR's clock... |
| 03:17.42 | Vegar | feydreva: the gta02 has two u-boots, so even if you break one, you can still boot with the other one |
| 03:17.55 | torindel | feydreva: on old neo kinda |
| 03:17.57 | Yanroy | I got it set to the local time by putting the local time in with the date command (it prints out the correct time, including timezone) |
| 03:18.03 | torindel | on fr you got 2 uboots |
| 03:18.20 | Yanroy | then I used the hwclock command to sync the hardware clock... I can't figure out if I've got it set in UTC or local |
| 03:18.29 | Yanroy | I don't want my clock to migrate on every reboot |
| 03:18.46 | Yanroy | running "hwclock --utc" prints out my local time, and running "hwclock --localtime" prints out UTC |
| 03:18.50 | Yanroy | what does that mean? |
| 03:18.56 | Yanroy | do I completely not understand what those commands do? |
| 03:19.24 | Yanroy | this is how I set it that way: "hwclock --utc --systohc" |
| 03:19.41 | torindel | just do hwclock --systohc |
| 03:19.53 | Yanroy | torindel: even if I've got it set up in my time zone? |
| 03:20.01 | torindel | yes |
| 03:20.11 | Yanroy | also, when I do it that way, using "hwclock --utc" prints out a time that isn't local or UTC |
| 03:20.16 | torindel | Yanroy: it should save as utc anyway |
| 03:20.25 | mmaestri | Chocky: are you trying to do something with opkg? |
| 03:21.03 | mmaestri | i'm kinda lost. tried to compile through the toolchain, but it fails |
| 03:21.10 | Yanroy | I just set it with "hwclock --systohc". running "hwclock" prints my local time. running "hwclock --utc" prints time that is 4 hours ago. that's neither UTC nor my local time... |
| 03:21.14 | Yanroy | that seems wrong |
| 03:21.41 | torindel | Yanroy: ensure that when you type date it says correct time |
| 03:21.48 | Yanroy | it does |
| 03:22.12 | torindel | do hwclock --systohc and reboot neko and check date again |
| 03:22.31 | Yanroy | rebooting... |
| 03:23.30 | Yanroy | the only thing that I can think of that makes any sense out of this is that running "hwclock --utc" forces it to interpret the stored time as UTC, rather than displaying the UTC time |
| 03:23.37 | Yanroy | that would result in the 4 hours backwards |
| 03:23.46 | Yanroy | but that's really weird behavior for that command... |
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| 03:24.51 | feydreva | booting up FSO... we shall see |
| 03:26.00 | torindel | lol, after rebooting neko usb on it is acting wierd |
| 03:26.14 | Yanroy | mine too |
| 03:26.24 | Flinx | should I submit a bugreport for the Win32 Binary Emulator? |
| 03:26.27 | Yanroy | did you just install the new kernel? |
| 03:27.09 | torindel | just no, some time earlier yes, but this was first time i kept it longer running |
| 03:27.51 | torindel | uImage-2.6.24+gitr0+7a1370a816b9348dd8f36a667905dd3533cefc9b-r4-om-gta02.bin kernel |
| 03:27.53 | Yanroy | I can't get my usb0 to come up |
| 03:28.07 | Yanroy | but the phone makes a noise like I tapped the screen when I plug the USB cord in |
| 03:28.17 | Yanroy | charging indicator doesn't change to charging either |
| 03:28.38 | Yanroy | it does with the wall plug... |
| 03:28.46 | torindel | Yanroy: i was ok earlier with this kernel |
| 03:28.59 | Yanroy | ok, maybe this is unrelated then |
| 03:29.12 | Yanroy | I installed the pulseaudio and userspace stuff from mwester |
| 03:29.14 | Yanroy | but not his kernel |
| 03:29.19 | torindel | rebooting neko again helped |
| 03:30.05 | Yanroy | does the USB interface get brought up if you boot with it connected? seems like that could be the issue... |
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| 03:30.25 | Yanroy | btw, why are you calling it a neko? is that a new meme I haven't been exposed to? |
| 03:30.46 | Toaster` | Anyone have a recent opkg update/upgrade break their usb? |
| 03:30.51 | Yanroy | yep |
| 03:31.10 | Yanroy | Toaster`: just now... I'm trying another reboot to see if that fixes it |
| 03:31.11 | torindel | Yanroy: i just named my moko like that (neko is cat in japanese) |
| 03:31.24 | feydreva | torindel, on the FSO, I got on the top right, a "no dbus message" is that normal ? |
| 03:31.41 | Toaster` | Yanroy: ok, let me know how it goes, mines doing the same |
| 03:31.42 | torindel | feydreva: first boot? |
| 03:31.51 | feydreva | torindel, yes |
| 03:31.55 | torindel | feydreva: reboot then |
| 03:31.59 | feydreva | :) |
| 03:32.03 | torindel | after next boot it should be ok |
| 03:32.20 | Yanroy | Toaster`: I also just installed some stuff from mwester's site, so that could also be to blame... did it all at once |
| 03:33.08 | Toaster` | Yanroy: Still down over here. My update/upgrade included a kernel update, so I'm gonna try rolling it back and seeing if that helps |
| 03:33.34 | Yanroy | Toaster`: yeah... plugging in the USB makes the USB icon show up on the toolbar, but no usb0 on my host PC |
| 03:33.49 | Yanroy | also, it doesn't show the charging indicator when using USB now, but it does with the wall plug |
| 03:33.50 | torindel | http://www.pastebin.ca/1089244 <- thats what i had on my pc, moko turned into semi working cdc-acm state o_O? |
| 03:33.53 | Toaster` | check on your FR, do yo uhave a usb0 there as well? |
| 03:34.14 | Toaster` | Yanroy: sounds like the usb0 driver got borked |
| 03:34.44 | Yanroy | also it feels slower and jerkier than before (scrolling through the menu to the terminal) |
| 03:34.51 | Yanroy | I'm running 2007.2 if you can't tell :) |
| 03:35.22 | Yanroy | I only a lo device on the FR |
| 03:35.25 | Toaster` | Yanroy: that's what I run as well |
| 03:35.31 | Yanroy | *have |
| 03:35.32 | torindel | feydreva: it works for you now? |
| 03:35.50 | Toaster` | Yanroy: same. Can you let me know what kernel version you have? |
| 03:36.12 | feydreva | torindel, yep trying to call.. :) |
| 03:36.17 | Yanroy | Toaster`: it now makes a noise when I plug in the USB (like tapping the screen) that I'm pretty sure wasn't there before |
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| 03:36.27 | feydreva | connected to a PC it works... I am trying not conected now |
| 03:36.46 | Toaster` | Yanroy: it was on mine. A little pop whenever the usb goes in or comes out |
| 03:37.33 | Yanroy | Toaster`: well, I just upgraded about half an hour ago... uname -a (paraphrased, gotta retype it...): 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 1 1:21:27 CEST 2008 armv4tl unknown |
| 03:38.23 | Yanroy | good thing I set up wifi before this happened... |
| 03:38.45 | Toaster` | heh, yeah |
| 03:39.05 | torindel | feydreva: you can also apply this patch: http://www.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example/attachment/ticket/62/parser.patch for /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py |
| 03:39.07 | Toaster` | I just flashed the 28-07-2008 kernel, hopefully that'll fix things |
| 03:39.48 | torindel | feydreva: i had problems with even calling after i got sms with return char in sender field |
| 03:39.50 | Yanroy | I'm in over wifi now... that seems to still work |
| 03:40.05 | Yanroy | I don't plan on reflashing... I'll just upgrade again tomorrow once its fixed |
| 03:40.09 | Yanroy | how do we report this? |
| 03:40.30 | feydreva | torindel, i succeed to call someone... I hanged u.. and now I cannot open the dialer... |
| 03:40.41 | Toaster` | trac? |
| 03:40.50 | Toaster` | ok, the rollback of the kernel worked. |
| 03:40.51 | torindel | feydreva: probably you just got sms like i had -__-; |
| 03:41.02 | Yanroy | Toaster`: where's the trac? |
| 03:41.04 | torindel | feydreva: apply that and reboot neko |
| 03:41.08 | Yanroy | Toaster`: or would you like to report it? |
| 03:41.38 | aggtrfrad | hey how can i edit pim suite list? (pim suite, applications. games, utilities, all) |
| 03:41.43 | torindel | trashy pre-paid smses -__-; |
| 03:41.59 | Yanroy | aggtrfrad: you need to edit the categories in the .desktop files... lemme look up where those are for you |
| 03:42.06 | aggtrfrad | i know |
| 03:42.09 | Toaster` | Yanroy: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ ? |
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| 03:42.17 | Yanroy | aggtrfrad: /usr/share/applications |
| 03:42.20 | feydreva | torindel, can you explain me how to apply the patch please ? |
| 03:42.32 | aggtrfrad | but the do not make the lists, the just asign theme selfs to the lists |
| 03:42.43 | torindel | feydreva: get it on your moko |
| 03:42.52 | Flinx | I need to nuke this build of my Windows OS.. |
| 03:42.59 | torindel | feydreva: patch < file |
| 03:43.05 | aggtrfrad | i wanna make a new list like 'wlan' and dellete another like 'games' |
| 03:43.05 | feydreva | ok |
| 03:43.06 | Yanroy | Toaster`: so you want me to report it? |
| 03:43.18 | torindel | feydreva: and type /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py |
| 03:43.42 | Toaster` | I'm just checking to see if it's already there |
| 03:43.59 | aggtrfrad | v |
| 03:44.00 | feydreva | is there a way to download the patch ? |
| 03:44.28 | Yanroy | aggtrfrad: me too... lemme know if you figure out how to do that :) |
| 03:44.45 | aggtrfrad | ok :p |
| 03:44.56 | Yanroy | aggtrfrad: also, I'd like terminal to be under utilities |
| 03:44.58 | Yanroy | maybe calculator too |
| 03:45.36 | Yanroy | dunno why its not... I noticed all the others have singular category names, despite the text that shows up in the dropdown... I edited terminal to be "utility" instead of "utilities' just now, restarting X to see... |
| 03:46.17 | aggtrfrad | hm think i got it |
| 03:46.30 | aggtrfrad | is dhould be Utility, not Utilities |
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| 03:46.47 | Yanroy | aggtrfrad: k... then when this finishes restarting, I should have it fixed too :) |
| 03:47.09 | Yanroy | sweet... works |
| 03:47.22 | torindel | feydreva: any working pastebin services with upload/download file support? |
| 03:47.42 | feydreva | nop |
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| 03:48.02 | Yanroy | I wouldn't mind a "not games" category... I don't know who would ever play these things... maybe I should delete them, if I can figure out how |
| 03:49.25 | undrwater | a couple of them are fun |
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| 03:50.52 | trix | Yanroy, what I just used to get rid of the kobo game: "opkg remove -force-depends kobodeluxe" |
| 03:51.17 | trix | after starting it for about the 10th time while trying to open something else up.. |
| 03:51.38 | undrwater | that's an interesting effect... |
| 03:51.54 | undrwater | i don't know why some of these items seem to have more sensitivity than others |
| 03:51.58 | Yanroy | if I wanted to play games, I wouldn't run linux |
| 03:52.16 | Flinx | winehq :P |
| 03:52.17 | rooly | sighs |
| 03:52.27 | rooly | blackbox is quite fun |
| 03:52.31 | Yanroy | Flinx: yeah... I use wine for my sole indulgence... starcraft |
| 03:52.38 | Flinx | hehe |
| 03:52.40 | Flinx | nice |
| 03:52.46 | rooly | installed gcc on his phone |
| 03:52.51 | Flinx | I'm going to need it for things like Dreamweaver |
| 03:53.00 | Flinx | and other apps that i can't live w/o >.<! |
| 03:53.09 | Flinx | thats thats off topic |
| 03:53.11 | rooly | wonders if starcraft will work |
| 03:53.11 | Yanroy | Flinx: on your phone? :D somehow I think dreamweaver might be a little heavy |
| 03:53.17 | trix | undrwater, yeah it's strange, and closing applications is extremely sensitive when you have to select the name. it compares to some of the buttons in an adobe flash movie where the button is only the text and not the entire line/area |
| 03:53.27 | Flinx | OH!... |
| 03:53.35 | Flinx | you meant on the phone.... |
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| 03:53.38 | Yanroy | a friend of mine has a pocketpc based smartphone that plays starcraft |
| 03:53.47 | Flinx | 0.@ |
| 03:54.13 | Yanroy | Flinx: I don't have starcraft on my FR, though I would like to eventually. I play starcraft on my desktop, and even then only once every month or two |
| 03:54.16 | trix | a finger trainer application could prove really useful "your finger is the size of an adult gorilla - OK." |
| 03:54.49 | Yanroy | Toaster`: should we report it? |
| 03:54.56 | rooly | hmm, starcraft wouldn't work, it's an arm processor, not x86 |
| 03:55.22 | Flinx | make an ARM port |
| 03:55.24 | Yanroy | damn, that's a good point... I wonder what arch that phone my friend has is |
| 03:55.32 | Toaster` | Yanroy: I'm working on it now, just trying to figure out what u-boot version I have |
| 03:55.37 | Yanroy | maybe blizzard will open source it after starcraft 2 comes out |
| 03:55.47 | Yanroy | Toaster`: good call... I'm still using the stock uboot |
| 03:55.54 | Toaster` | Yanroy: same |
| 03:55.57 | rooly | well, it's obviously x86 or ppc, or he somehow convinced blizzard to recompile their game for arm |
| 03:56.09 | Toaster` | You know how to check the u-boot version? |
| 03:56.19 | rooly | yeah, u-boot says it's version |
| 03:56.23 | rooly | right there at the top |
| 03:56.39 | Flinx | maybe theres an x86 emulator on it? |
| 03:56.59 | rooly | ...an x86 emulator for a 233-500 mhz arm processor? |
| 03:57.01 | Toaster` | rooly: you mean at the NAND boot screen? |
| 03:57.01 | aggtrfrad | <Yanroy> /usr/share/matchbox/vfolders |
| 03:57.03 | aggtrfrad | :) |
| 03:57.14 | rooly | Toaster`, yeah |
| 03:57.21 | aggtrfrad | .directory files define a menu |
| 03:57.53 | Yanroy | rooly: that's not unreasonable, given starcraft's system requirements |
| 03:57.58 | rooly | last i looked, mine said 1.3 or something |
| 03:58.24 | Yanroy | wonders if it would be somehow possible to fuse dosbox and wine to make a windows emulator |
| 03:58.28 | rooly | but, Yanroy, there's the whole needing to run windows and dx6 |
| 03:58.30 | undrwater | anyone have a link to the u-boot edit wiki page? i can't seem to find it |
| 03:58.45 | Toaster` | rooly: hrm, I was expecting something like GTA2vX but the closest I have is "U-Boot 1.3.2-rc2-dirty-moko12 |
| 03:59.08 | rooly | that's where mine says |
| 03:59.10 | Flinx | Dirty moko.? |
| 03:59.11 | Flinx | 0.o |
| 03:59.20 | rooly | and similar |
| 03:59.25 | Yanroy | Flinx: mine says that too... |
| 03:59.26 | rooly | but i thought you mean something else |
| 03:59.31 | rooly | *meant |
| 03:59.35 | rooly | by "u-boot version" |
| 03:59.47 | Toaster` | Well, it seems I may be confused |
| 03:59.48 | Flinx | I wonder why dirty is in there.. |
| 03:59.50 | rooly | you want the phone's hardware version |
| 04:00.10 | rooly | the hardware revision |
| 04:00.17 | rooly | that i don't know how to find |
| 04:00.23 | Toaster` | rooly: that sounds right |
| 04:00.34 | Yanroy | wow... apparently, when you resume from suspend, it's possible to continue your SSH session over wifi without it being dropped. to bad my laptop can't accomplish that trick |
| 04:00.46 | Yanroy | also, the mwester fixes for resume seem to be working... I have sound |
| 04:00.54 | rooly | can't get his wifi working |
| 04:01.21 | Yanroy | rooly: it was trivially easy for me, with WPA2 encryption... what kind are you using? |
| 04:01.29 | rooly | open |
| 04:02.13 | Yanroy | err? |
| 04:02.17 | rooly | yeah, i know |
| 04:02.19 | Yanroy | that should be even easier |
| 04:02.21 | rooly | confusing as hell |
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| 04:02.29 | rooly | campwifi can't seem to find my network |
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| 04:02.37 | Yanroy | don't use campwifi :P |
| 04:03.04 | Yanroy | rooly: I'm using 2007.2, so I just created the wpa_supplicant.conf (about 2 lines) and used the init.d script from the wiki... worked first try |
| 04:03.15 | rooly | right |
| 04:03.16 | rooly | hmm |
| 04:03.18 | Flinx | aight |
| 04:03.20 | rooly | got a link to that? |
| 04:03.22 | Flinx | I need to get outta here.. |
| 04:03.25 | Yanroy | rooly: sure |
| 04:03.26 | Flinx | I'll cya later! |
| 04:04.22 | Yanroy | rooly: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN |
| 04:05.10 | Yanroy | rooly: don't get too scared by the wpa_supplicant.conf they have as the example... further down the page there's an example of WPA that's only 3 lines long (you shouldn't need the psk for an open network, and the priority is optional always, IIRC) |
| 04:05.24 | Yanroy | so you can probably get away with just the ssid directive :P |
| 04:05.47 | *** part/#openmoko Flinx (n=Server20@c-69-250-68-149.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 04:09.13 | rooly | damnit |
| 04:09.17 | rooly | my networking is broke again |
| 04:09.46 | torindel | anyone tried to connect to wpa with hidden ssid? |
| 04:11.31 | Yanroy | torindel: there's something about that on the WLAN wiki page... I haven't had need to try it though |
| 04:11.37 | Yanroy | rooly: in what way? |
| 04:12.02 | rooly | as in it resolves but can't connect outside my usb connection |
| 04:12.46 | Yanroy | aggtrfrad: I tried copying a couple of the files in that folder to make new .directory entires... they don't show up |
| 04:13.01 | torindel | Yanroy: search doesnt find anything |
| 04:13.45 | aggtrfrad | im working on it, i deleted games.directory and games is gone, but then i tryied to edit some other staf, and i bricked the x server |
| 04:14.18 | rooly | sweet! |
| 04:14.21 | Yanroy | torindel: it's on an off-wiki site linked from the article. the gist is set "scan_ssid=1" in the section for the hidden ssid network |
| 04:14.23 | rooly | got his wifi connected |
| 04:14.45 | rooly | is opkg's upgrade still broken? |
| 04:14.47 | Yanroy | rooly: you have to ifdown usb0, which I assume is what you just discovered :) |
| 04:15.06 | rooly | no, i got the wifi on |
| 04:15.09 | Yanroy | rooly: well, if by broken you mean it doesn't install, then no... it upgrades just fine. but you get a kernel that doesn't let you do SSH over USB |
| 04:15.28 | rooly | that could be problematic |
| 04:15.31 | rooly | any fixes yet? |
| 04:16.01 | Yanroy | rooly: I just installed it about an hour ago... Toaster` got the same problem at about hte same time. makes me think it was just released. prolly no one knows about it yet |
| 04:16.12 | Yanroy | Toaster` was looking into reporting it in the trac |
| 04:16.18 | rooly | there was a note in the wiki the other day |
| 04:16.23 | Yanroy | probably tomorrow's kernel will fix it |
| 04:16.24 | Yanroy | oh? |
| 04:16.32 | rooly | yeah |
| 04:16.47 | rooly | yesterday, there was a note that opkg upgrade breaks the installation somehow |
| 04:17.00 | torindel | Yanroy: scan_ssid=1 doesnt help as it should too |
| 04:17.02 | rooly | i don't remember where |
| 04:17.24 | Yanroy | torindel: I dunno... I run a pretty basic network here |
| 04:17.31 | torindel | Yanroy: that version of wpa_supplicant is comparing '' against 'ssidname' -__-; |
| 04:17.40 | torindel | on my laptop it works with same config |
| 04:18.08 | Yanroy | rooly: I seem to recall a message on the ML about a kernel upgrade that would cause hanging on boot, but not broken usb connectivity |
| 04:18.25 | Yanroy | torindel: I dunno how to help... I'm far from a linux wifi guru |
| 04:19.41 | Toaster` | Yanroy: ok, reported. |
| 04:19.49 | Toaster` | I'm off. Night all |
| 04:19.49 | Yanroy | Toaster`: nice :) thanks |
| 04:19.52 | Yanroy | night |
| 04:20.08 | Yanroy | I should be going too... past my bedtime |
| 04:20.18 | mmontour | Yanroy: after upgrading (before rebooting) you need to install a couple of kernel-module packages. USB networking was moved from built-in to modules |
| 04:20.45 | Yanroy | mmontour: oh? then it's not a bug and toaster didn't need to report it. how come there isn't some logic in opkg to handle that? |
| 04:21.00 | Yanroy | mmontour: I can get the packages... what do I need to install and how do I set it up? |
| 04:21.55 | mmontour | It was something like kernel-module-g-ether and kernel-module-cdc-ether (not 100% sure about the names) |
| 04:22.10 | Chocky | renames the stupidly named "GTA02 WLAN" page |
| 04:22.12 | Yanroy | mmontour: was it on the ML? do you recall anything I could search for? |
| 04:22.32 | mmontour | I read it earlier this evening. I'll see if I can find the msg again... |
| 04:22.36 | Yanroy | Chocky: good idea. I was going to rewrite a lot of stuff on that page, but I'm not confident enough in my solutions to know that they'll work in the general case |
| 04:22.57 | Yanroy | mmontour: I read the ML in google reader as RSS, so it's trivial for me to search if you can remember a keyword |
| 04:23.01 | araujo | ergh, almost a week since the shipment, and nothing in the store yet |
| 04:23.02 | araujo | :-( |
| 04:23.09 | Chocky | I've barely tried it, personally. But yes, it's a mess. Stupid Yashy was crowing about it too. |
| 04:23.14 | Yanroy | it's probably in one of the messages I haven't read yet... I've got about a 12 hour backlog of ML messages |
| 04:23.32 | Chocky | did we have an answer for opkg segfault yet? |
| 04:23.44 | Yanroy | there's an opkg segfault? |
| 04:23.50 | rooly | how do i get a keyboard for the web browser |
| 04:23.51 | Chocky | in FSO II |
| 04:24.19 | Yanroy | oh... that's like 3 software stacks newer than what I'm using :D |
| 04:24.26 | Chocky | :o |
| 04:24.41 | Yanroy | 2007.2 ftw! |
| 04:25.16 | Yanroy | rooly: what kind of keyboard? and which release? |
| 04:25.28 | Chocky | ah |
| 04:25.30 | Chocky | reads trac |
| 04:25.59 | Chocky | hm, a fix |
| 04:26.00 | mmontour | Yanroy: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-August/000900.html (and a later msg said you also need to run 'depmod' after installing) |
| 04:26.06 | Chocky | guess I need a better binary now |
| 04:26.13 | rooly | 2007.2, any kind of text input, and i figured out the solution |
| 04:26.19 | rooly | just use the search, it does what i need |
| 04:26.24 | rooly | (boobies on google) |
| 04:26.33 | feydreva | I do not know who maintain this page : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions but that s pretty much a lie :P |
| 04:26.46 | feydreva | we should have a "meteo" page of all distrib and dates... |
| 04:26.48 | Chocky | feydreva: what is incorrect on it? |
| 04:26.53 | Yanroy | mmontour: thanks... I'll try that over wifi right now :) what's depmod? |
| 04:26.53 | Chocky | "meteo"? |
| 04:26.58 | feydreva | telephony funtion does not work... |
| 04:27.03 | Chocky | ... |
| 04:27.17 | feydreva | and it s written yes and green and all version |
| 04:27.29 | Chocky | I know, it's terrible, but you aren't being very clear |
| 04:27.41 | Chocky | If you want to rewrite it, then do so |
| 04:27.42 | feydreva | I tried the 2007, the ASU, the FSO... I haven;t been able to receive a single call... |
| 04:27.51 | mmontour | depmod is a command that calculates dependencies between kernel modules. If it hasn't been run after you've installed new modules, then they may not load properly |
| 04:27.53 | rooly | horay |
| 04:27.55 | feydreva | or you can make 1 call, bit not the second one |
| 04:28.00 | rooly | no more need for usb |
| 04:28.08 | Chocky | mmontour: the package should run it :p |
| 04:28.32 | Chocky | feydreva: the page is not about personal experience. It's about what you should, in priciple, be able to do with it. |
| 04:28.40 | Yanroy | feydreva: really? I've received calls with 2007.2 and ASU (haven't tested any others) |
| 04:28.47 | mmontour | I agree, and "opkg upgrade" should have pulled in the new module packages automatically. But it doesn't seem to be doing it yet. |
| 04:28.50 | feydreva | meteo : like : http://edos.debian.net/weather/ |
| 04:29.07 | feydreva | Yanroy, does the ringer works on the 2007.2 ? |
| 04:29.17 | Yanroy | feydreva: before it suspends, yes |
| 04:29.22 | feydreva | because a phone that doesn;t ring is useless for me |
| 04:29.25 | Chocky | has another go at building FSO :o |
| 04:29.46 | Yanroy | feydreva: after resuming from suspend, non-GSM sound doesn't work anymore. I just installed some stuff from mwester's site that fixed that (and supposedly increase reliability of resume too) |
| 04:30.11 | feydreva | Yanroy, I tried the 2007.2 yesterday, and the phone would jsut vibrate.. but not ring... |
| 04:30.16 | feydreva | whatever i do... |
| 04:30.26 | Yanroy | I imagine it will also increase battery life, since part of the fix should prevent random wakeups |
| 04:30.42 | Yanroy | feydreva: you tried calling it before it went to sleep (or you turned off power management)? |
| 04:31.02 | Yanroy | also, what version of 2007.2? latest daily? |
| 04:31.22 | feydreva | Yanroy, yep I tried wihtout the power management... |
| 04:31.27 | Yanroy | odd |
| 04:31.37 | Yanroy | do you get any sound at all? like, does it make a noise when you tap the screen? |
| 04:32.01 | Yanroy | mmontour: I just got this when installing those modules: FATAL: Module g_ether not found. |
| 04:32.02 | feydreva | and I tried witht he original one that comes with the phone... and I tried after an okpg update okpg upgrade.. and the telephony would not work at all after that |
| 04:32.27 | Yanroy | mmontour: note that that error message was part of the configuring process... it downloaded both packages successfully. hell if I know why it didn't find it after it installed it :P |
| 04:33.06 | Yanroy | feydreva: if you just update and upgrade using the default image, I think it will only upgrade to the latest release build. it won't get you a daily unless you mess with the opkg config files or flash a daily build |
| 04:33.32 | Yanroy | feydreva: so you probably weren't running the latest. though I think I was able to receive calls with the factory image (poor reliability) |
| 04:33.46 | Yanroy | this thing is presently working well enough that I've been using it as my primary (only) phone |
| 04:34.29 | feydreva | Yanroy, yes you received call.. but it jsut vibrate.. not rin |
| 04:34.31 | feydreva | ring |
| 04:34.46 | mmontour | Yanroy: I don't know what the problem is. I haven't tried installing the new kernel, so I'm just going by what I've seen on the lists |
| 04:34.51 | feydreva | ok, the FSO seems to work fine for calling and receiving call :) |
| 04:35.05 | Yanroy | mmontour: ok. opkg list_installed reports its installed. maybe it has something to do with depmod |
| 04:35.31 | mmontour | Try running depmod manually, and look in /lib/modules to see if the actual files are in the right place |
| 04:35.31 | rooly | i just wish you had the option of using an lvm with the sd card |
| 04:35.33 | Yanroy | feydreva: good :) I haven't tried the FSO yet. I'm going to wait until some further development goes on before I try either ASU (again) or FSO |
| 04:36.42 | Yanroy | mmontour: there's a bunch of USB-related stuff in there... looks fine to my untrained eye |
| 04:36.51 | Yanroy | I'm going to reboot and pray |
| 04:36.54 | Yanroy | (to science) |
| 04:37.58 | Chocky | looks for an older opjg |
| 04:38.01 | Chocky | opkg |
| 04:38.08 | mmontour | rooly: lvm might work. I don't know if anyone has tried yet. |
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| 04:38.20 | rooly | it would be beneficial |
| 04:38.38 | rooly | toggle the phone to use the the sd card as an lvm, and make disk space a non-issue |
| 04:39.17 | kd8ikt | my laptop is about to reach critical mass compiling openmoko |
| 04:39.18 | Yanroy | rooly: I'm not really up on what LVM actually does, but how does it address this? you can already boot off it |
| 04:39.52 | rooly | an lvm is basically a virtual raid-like software partition |
| 04:40.08 | kd8ikt | sensors says its reached 92 degree's C |
| 04:40.12 | rooly | it can use a dozen differently sized disks as a single partition |
| 04:40.21 | Chocky | spanks rd8 |
| 04:40.28 | Chocky | kd8 too. No apostrophe. |
| 04:40.51 | Yanroy | kd8ikt: seems to me that you should crack and egg on the case and fry it |
| 04:41.06 | Yanroy | or pour some water on it and see if it evaporates before hitting the lappy |
| 04:41.08 | linuxxr | a fan would help |
| 04:41.13 | kd8ikt | 200F |
| 04:41.28 | kd8ikt | 195 actually |
| 04:41.30 | rooly | alright |
| 04:41.34 | rooly | now my phone is ready |
| 04:41.47 | Yanroy | poured a glass of water into his keyboard, onto his FR, and all over his tower a couple days ago |
| 04:42.11 | rooly | is about to compile his favorite 3d engine for his FR |
| 04:42.14 | Yanroy | rooly: I have a software RAID in my desktop... I use mdadm... dunno the relation to LVM there |
| 04:42.27 | rooly | "linux volume management" |
| 04:42.35 | Yanroy | rooly: but you only have one SD slot, so multiple volumes doesn't seem to make much sense |
| 04:42.35 | rooly | it isn't a raid |
| 04:43.06 | Yanroy | I think there is a RAID mode that will do what you want... maybe 5? |
| 04:43.17 | rooly | Yanroy, think about not just adding 8 gigs to a single folder, but to the entire filesystem |
| 04:43.31 | rooly | seamlessly |
| 04:43.34 | rooly | all in software |
| 04:43.38 | Yanroy | right... |
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| 04:43.57 | rooly | 3 ide disks, 12 pata, 2 sata, 4 usb-external |
| 04:44.01 | rooly | all working as one disk |
| 04:44.01 | Yanroy | RAID could do that, but even if it couldn't, doesn't booting from the SD card make it be mounted on / |
| 04:44.14 | rooly | i'm ignoring booting from the sd card |
| 04:44.25 | Yanroy | ok. that seems like a solution though |
| 04:44.35 | rooly | i mean adding the sd card's space to the filesystem |
| 04:44.48 | Yanroy | seems very dangerous |
| 04:44.56 | Yanroy | if any disk in the set goes bad, you lose it all, right? |
| 04:45.05 | rooly | only the data on that disk |
| 04:45.20 | Yanroy | which could be anything... |
| 04:45.26 | rooly | it sure could |
| 04:45.40 | Yanroy | or maybe worse, part of something :) suddenly, 1/8 of your kernel disappears... |
| 04:45.53 | rooly | that's not the point |
| 04:46.06 | rooly | the point is, you'd get an extra 8 gigs of space available |
| 04:46.19 | rooly | or 4 or 2 or 1 or 512 or 256 |
| 04:46.23 | rooly | whatever |
| 04:46.28 | rooly | it'd be seamless |
| 04:46.33 | Chocky | or 128 or 64 or 1? |
| 04:46.40 | rooly | or your mom |
| 04:46.41 | Yanroy | mmontour: USB works after reboot. thanks for your help |
| 04:46.50 | mmontour | np |
| 04:47.48 | Yanroy | rooly: so go implement it, if it isn't already... someone said it might already work |
| 04:47.56 | rooly | meh |
| 04:48.03 | rooly | i'm working on porting my favorite 3d rendering engine |
| 04:48.04 | Yanroy | rooly: maybe you could talk to whoever it was that was implementing boot of NFS... seems related |
| 04:48.16 | Chocky | that's quite different |
| 04:49.00 | Yanroy | hmm... now my phone doesnt seem to be registering with the GSM network |
| 04:49.44 | linuxxr | mee too |
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| 04:49.56 | linuxxr | at&t |
| 04:50.20 | Yanroy | linuxxr: me too. but I just made an outgoing call successfully, despite it saying "<unnamed>" in the corner |
| 04:50.30 | linuxxr | they said i cant get an 850 sim all they have is 3g |
| 04:50.33 | Yanroy | before, it was switching back and forth between that and "registering" |
| 04:50.52 | Yanroy | linuxxr: what do you mean by an 850 sim? btw, my sim is 3g |
| 04:50.55 | linuxxr | my phone worked reliably for 3 days |
| 04:51.19 | linuxxr | well i asked them an they said 3g only |
| 04:52.18 | linuxxr | now sometimes it registers but lately notning is hooking up they also that there are issues with unlocked phones |
| 04:52.29 | Yanroy | linuxxr: did you check your SIM against the charts here? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT |
| 04:52.34 | linuxxr | yes |
| 04:52.47 | linuxxr | 71234g 4022 |
| 04:52.47 | Yanroy | if they said there are issues with unlocked phones, they're full of crap :) |
| 04:53.06 | linuxxr | thats wat i thought |
| 04:53.09 | Yanroy | linuxxr: I think mine is the same except instead of G in the middle, it's O |
| 04:53.33 | linuxxr | i go to the store tomorrow an maybe they will trade me sims |
| 04:53.40 | Yanroy | the guys at the place I bought my card from said unlocked phones were fine and they were actually interested in the FR |
| 04:54.19 | Yanroy | linuxxr: where are you located? the sales guy at the place I went traded a bunch of SIMs for my friend until he got one that worked. he told me to send anyone else with a FR to him and he'll make sure they get a working SIM |
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| 04:54.41 | linuxxr | nw arkansas |
| 04:54.49 | Yanroy | that's a bit of a drive to MA :P |
| 04:54.53 | linuxxr | i need an email |
| 04:55.06 | linuxxr | mail works |
| 04:55.18 | Yanroy | ? |
| 04:55.36 | linuxxr | if i dont get straightned out tomorrow |
| 04:55.40 | rooly | is going to the store tomorrow for a sim |
| 04:55.54 | Chocky | will just get a T-Mobile one :p |
| 04:56.02 | linuxxr | i mean he will mail it right? |
| 04:56.06 | Yanroy | take the list of SIMs that work to the store with you and ask them if they can look through the deck of cards for one that matches |
| 04:56.23 | linuxxr | lolol |
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| 04:56.31 | Yanroy | linuxxr: I can't promise anything. I don't even have the guy's name or email. maybe my friend has his card, I can ask tomorrow |
| 04:56.40 | torindel | at least europe dont have sim problems |
| 04:56.41 | linuxxr | good |
| 04:56.46 | torindel | yay for EU |
| 04:56.55 | kd8ikt | whew put a few fans under my laptop now its down to 150F |
| 04:57.03 | linuxxr | yay |
| 04:57.27 | linuxxr | dont put the laptop on your lap |
| 04:57.28 | kd8ikt | guess having an AES encrypted rootfs doesnt help |
| 04:57.36 | Yanroy | anyone know how hard it is to write a hook that catches certain SMS messages/ |
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| 04:57.45 | Yanroy | I noticed AT&T sends a special SMS when you have a voicemail |
| 04:58.01 | Yanroy | it appears to be some kind of bit mask... I wonder what the other bits do |
| 04:58.16 | linuxxr | proly handshake |
| 04:58.37 | Yanroy | kd8ikt: wow... isn't that a bit extreme? I'm content with my swap being encrypted |
| 04:58.52 | Yanroy | anything truly sensitive I put on a separate encrypted partition |
| 04:58.55 | torindel | Yanroy: get fso, you'd can even write simple python script for that |
| 04:59.11 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.23 | Chocky | anyone with u-boot :p |
| 04:59.32 | torindel | linuxxr: i still have |
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| 04:59.43 | Yanroy | torindel: after my unpleasant experience with ASU, I"m going to stick with 2007.2 until I hear one of the others is stable (or at least more stable) |
| 04:59.43 | Chocky | robster! |
| 04:59.47 | linuxxr | 2or 3 file systems? |
| 05:00.00 | Yanroy | time for me to go to bed... good night all |
| 05:00.02 | Yanroy | thanks for your help |
| 05:00.05 | Chocky | wonders if robster remembers him |
| 05:00.09 | torindel | linuxxr: on desktop i usualy have 3-4 fs per hdd -_-;;;;; |
| 05:00.23 | linuxxr | i mean on the sd |
| 05:00.25 | torindel | on sd 2 |
| 05:00.31 | Yanroy | usually has 3 or 4 hdd per fs |
| 05:00.39 | torindel | fat+ext2 |
| 05:00.44 | linuxxr | 2007.2 an qutopia? |
| 05:00.53 | linuxxr | wups |
| 05:01.08 | Yanroy | night |
| 05:01.17 | torindel | linuxxr: everything works with multiboot |
| 05:01.31 | torindel | tryied 2007.2, qtopia, asu, fso |
| 05:01.32 | Chocky | ok, I grabbed opkg-cl and libopkg from a GTK image, and FSO opkg is working now |
| 05:01.39 | feydreva | have agod night all |
| 05:01.46 | torindel | night feydreva |
| 05:02.04 | linuxxr | so i can opkg ok? |
| 05:02.21 | rooly | woo!!!! |
| 05:02.25 | rooly | it compiles!!! |
| 05:03.10 | rooly | my phone is compiling stuff! |
| 05:03.46 | undrwater | g++? |
| 05:03.49 | rooly | yeah |
| 05:03.55 | rooly | danged |
| 05:03.56 | undrwater | that's so awesome! :D |
| 05:04.13 | rooly | where are the size_t things located? |
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| 05:05.07 | linuxxr | so its not just a flashlight |
| 05:05.58 | rooly | what dev package is stdarg.h in |
| 05:06.41 | zash | rooly: dpkg -S stdarg.h |
| 05:07.36 | zash | rooly: libstdc++6-4.2-dev, gcc-3.4, gcc-4.2 on my ubuntu machine |
| 05:07.43 | rooly | same |
| 05:07.50 | rooly | now just need to find it for openmoko |
| 05:08.02 | zash | :D |
| 05:09.14 | rooly | none... |
| 05:09.18 | undrwater | anyone successfully booting from SD? |
| 05:10.12 | mmontour | undrwater: yes, but on Neo1973 |
| 05:10.53 | undrwater | mmontour: do you have freerunner too? |
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| 05:11.28 | mmontour | Not yet. However, SD-booting is quite similar on the two platforms. |
| 05:11.33 | linuxxr | why cant the bootloader reside elswhere |
| 05:11.49 | undrwater | mmontour: what's your partitioning scheme? |
| 05:11.53 | linuxxr | i guess it does |
| 05:12.11 | mmontour | Single ext3 partition on a 2G card |
| 05:12.44 | undrwater | and your u-boot command? |
| 05:14.46 | mmontour | I don't have access to my phone right now so I can't paste the exact command. |
| 05:15.09 | undrwater | mmontour: did you add anything special? |
| 05:15.30 | undrwater | and is uImage.bin under the /boot dir? |
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| 05:15.56 | linuxxr | there my phone just hooked to at&t again |
| 05:16.15 | undrwater | linuxxr: does it register as "roaming"? |
| 05:16.19 | linuxxr | all i did was plug the usb cord in |
| 05:16.23 | mmontour | IIRC /boot/uImage.bin is a symlink pointing to /boot/uImage-2.6.24 (or whatever gets installed by the kernel .ipk) |
| 05:16.27 | linuxxr | no |
| 05:17.39 | undrwater | mmontour: so did you install the kernel using opkg to SD? |
| 05:17.55 | mmontour | undrwater: if you read the "How it works" section of the "Booting from SD" page and look at some of the examples on that page, you should be able to come up with a command sequence that works for whatever configuration you're using. |
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| 05:18.27 | undrwater | i'm looking at it now...so i'm sure i can...just trying to figure out the mechanics |
| 05:18.59 | rooly | this is rather funny |
| 05:19.14 | railer | hey, I've opkg install task-openmoko-games, and it worked fine but I can't seem to find any of the icons for the new stuff any suggestions where they would be? I using qtopia. |
| 05:19.20 | mmontour | I have MokoMakefile set up to build packages on my PC, and I "opkg upgrade" the Neo from that repository. There is a kernel package that gets updated as part of that process |
| 05:19.21 | rooly | i just realised, the openmoko kernel is on 2.6, where slackware uses 2.4 by default still |
| 05:19.48 | linuxxr | noooo |
| 05:20.02 | linuxxr | 12.0 |
| 05:20.08 | Chocky | rooly: ARMed Slack doesn't. |
| 05:20.15 | rooly | ic |
| 05:20.21 | Chocky | cc |
| 05:20.25 | ljp | hmm |
| 05:20.26 | rooly | gcc |
| 05:20.49 | rooly | hmm |
| 05:20.59 | rooly | i'm afraid to test my wifi with a reboot |
| 05:21.05 | Chocky | fnar, opkg upgrade breaks FSO II |
| 05:21.15 | linuxxr | burn an iso |
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| 05:24.36 | undrwater | mmontour: did you use ext3load? |
| 05:24.52 | mmontour | ext2load (works for ext2 or ext3) |
| 05:25.22 | ozzloy | are .jffs and .jffs.summary the same thing? |
| 05:25.31 | ozzloy | because it kinda looks like it |
| 05:25.37 | tuXXX | jffs.summary is faster to mount |
| 05:25.47 | ozzloy | based on timestamp and ... oh |
| 05:25.52 | mmontour | note that you need a new u-boot (20080723 or later) for ext2load to work. |
| 05:26.04 | rooly | grublmes |
| 05:26.08 | ozzloy | how do i update uboot? |
| 05:26.14 | rooly | hrm |
| 05:26.39 | undrwater | ozzloy: you can use dfu-util |
| 05:27.27 | linuxxr | an a battery backup |
| 05:27.54 | ozzloy | undrwater: what should i specify for -a ? |
| 05:28.18 | ozzloy | uboot? and do i boot to nand or nor? |
| 05:28.25 | undrwater | ozzloy: erm...it's on the wiki somewhere... |
| 05:28.47 | undrwater | gimmie a bit...i'm about to update myself |
| 05:28.50 | rooly | my only question: |
| 05:29.10 | rooly | why does this phone not have all the std headers? |
| 05:30.04 | tuXXX | maybe it's only uclibc? |
| 05:30.24 | ozzloy | undrwater: it's -a u-boot for the neo 1973, not sure on freerunner |
| 05:30.27 | ozzloy | probly same |
| 05:30.30 | mmontour | no, it's full glibc (should just be a matter of installing the right -dev packages) |
| 05:30.47 | undrwater | ozzloy: yeah...i think i remember that that was it |
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| 05:31.14 | ozzloy | i don't see where i can get the newest u-boot though |
| 05:31.16 | ozzloy | link? |
| 05:31.46 | mmontour | buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/... |
| 05:31.50 | rooly | mmontour, i tried searching the opkg repository for stdarg.h, and had no luck |
| 05:31.56 | rooly | clear |
| 05:32.00 | rooly | woops |
| 05:32.32 | mmontour | that's part of gcc |
| 05:32.51 | rooly | yeah, well i have gcc installed |
| 05:32.56 | ozzloy | http://xrl.us/omgsb undrwater found the page for it |
| 05:32.58 | rooly | and i don't have stdarg.h |
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| 05:33.23 | rooly | or maybe i don't |
| 05:33.33 | rooly | ...never heard of g++ wihtout gcc |
| 05:33.48 | undrwater | ozzloy: ah, good! thanx! |
| 05:34.29 | mmontour | maybe "libgcc-dev"? I can't access my phone right now to check it |
| 05:34.37 | rooly | nah |
| 05:34.50 | rooly | g++ doesn't seem to depend on gcc |
| 05:34.55 | rooly | which caused the problem |
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| 05:37.21 | undrwater | rooly: did you install gcc then? |
| 05:37.30 | rooly | yes |
| 05:37.37 | rooly | and i no longer get that problem |
| 05:37.43 | rooly | but now i get this error: |
| 05:37.55 | rooly | g++: error trying to exec 'as': execvp: No such file or directory |
| 05:38.32 | mmontour | install binutils? |
| 05:39.07 | rooly | oy... |
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| 05:39.16 | rooly | is just so used to a compiling-ready linux distro |
| 05:39.51 | rooly | w00t |
| 05:40.12 | rooly | right |
| 05:40.14 | rooly | bed time |
| 05:40.20 | rooly | when i wake up, this should be phone-compiled |
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| 05:43.07 | Guest99294 | test |
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| 05:43.36 | kd8ikt | hola whitby |
| 05:43.51 | dpaterso | just got my freerunner in the mail..... |
| 05:43.58 | mmontour | goodnight everyone |
| 05:44.35 | dpaterso | I am really having trouble getting it to talk to the computer. |
| 05:44.53 | tuXXX | it's the morning here, good morning everyone ;) |
| 05:44.58 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking? |
| 05:45.10 | dpaterso | thank kd8 |
| 05:45.25 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_Overview |
| 05:45.45 | kd8ikt | those two pages should keep you occupied for a bit |
| 05:45.55 | dpaterso | i'll say..... |
| 05:45.57 | dpaterso | lol |
| 05:46.24 | dpaterso | I am using a Mac and saw the Mac ports wiki.... also have Ubuntu on VMWare |
| 05:46.40 | dpaterso | It is pretty challenging at the moment.... |
| 05:46.55 | kd8ikt | oh so you're using osx |
| 05:47.04 | dpaterso | yes |
| 05:47.22 | dpaterso | I got all gummed up tryin to install freeports |
| 05:47.33 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#USB_Networking |
| 05:47.41 | dpaterso | <---- used to feel smart, but this project has challenged me. |
| 05:47.53 | kd8ikt | oh yeah its beast |
| 05:48.01 | kd8ikt | a beast* |
| 05:48.17 | dpaterso | oh that is a very helpful page. thank you... |
| 05:49.33 | dpaterso | I wanted to flash qtopia, but have not passed first base. |
| 05:50.04 | dpaterso | (singing a fav meatloaf song.....) STOP RIGHT THERE..... |
| 05:51.08 | kd8ikt | heh dork |
| 05:53.14 | zash | bork bork dork bork! |
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| 05:54.45 | zash | ll |
| 05:56.23 | kd8ikt | whit! fix your internetz |
| 05:57.25 | zash | $ sudo rmmod swedish_chef_internet_filter |
| 05:57.53 | Zeroedout | Is there a way to browse the projects at freshmeat.net to show only python? browsing by python shows you stuff written using C and other langs as well |
| 05:58.41 | ozzloy | what is Htop? i clicked on it a while ago and still nothing |
| 05:59.04 | zash | http://htop.sourceforge.net/htop-0.5.png |
| 05:59.09 | torindel | ozzloy: open it in terminal |
| 05:59.49 | ozzloy | torindel: but there's an icon for it T_T (/me tries in terminal) |
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| 06:00.34 | zash | ozzloy: icon where? |
| 06:02.59 | ozzloy | zash: fso milestone2 |
| 06:03.09 | zash | oh |
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| 06:04.36 | torindel | ozzloy: somebody just forgot to start it in terminal -__-; |
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| 06:05.08 | ozzloy | torindel: T_T |
| 06:05.09 | orz1 | anybody use tangogps here? |
| 06:05.19 | orz1 | i am curious abuot hte firends feature but i dont know how to use it |
| 06:05.22 | ozzloy | htop is neato |
| 06:05.36 | orz1 | does it require the phone to be connected to the internet? |
| 06:06.10 | zash | orz1: internet connection would help when downloading maps |
| 06:06.17 | orz1 | well |
| 06:06.24 | orz1 | i just cache mine onto my flash card |
| 06:06.49 | torindel | anyone tried qemu on x86_64 with gcc 4.x lately? |
| 06:06.56 | orz1 | so i connect to the internet at home via usb from my computer and get maps and then go without internet when i'm away from home |
| 06:07.25 | Bish | torindel: no. only to build with gcc-3 |
| 06:07.25 | orz1 | but how does it publish my position? via the internet? or via some sms messaging scheme? |
| 06:07.29 | ozzloy | how do i stop htop? how do i ctrl-c? |
| 06:07.37 | ozzloy | or ctrl-d or ctrl anything? |
| 06:07.39 | torindel | Bish: whats best 3.4? |
| 06:07.53 | zash | orz1: afaik, no publishing of position? |
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| 06:08.27 | Bish | torindel: latest gcc-3 |
| 06:08.40 | Bish | let me 3.4.6-r2 |
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| 06:08.46 | orz1 | http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/Screenshots <-- see the "Friends" feature. That is what i'm refering to. Maybe its unimplemented though |
| 06:08.57 | Bish | torindel: u want the sources ? |
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| 06:09.41 | ozzloy | seriously, is there a way to press multiple keys? |
| 06:10.05 | zash | orz1: that looks like an optional feature for registerd users |
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| 06:12.26 | zash | orz1: and probably goes over gprs/http |
| 06:12.34 | torindel | Bish: compiling gcc already |
| 06:12.43 | zash | orz1: but iduno |
| 06:12.47 | lindi- | mickey|zzZZzz: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1713 |
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| 06:13.29 | torindel | ozzloy: fso-m2? |
| 06:13.58 | torindel | !seen mickey|zzZZzz |
| 06:13.59 | cdbot2 | torindel, mickey|zzZZzz is right here! |
| 06:14.13 | torindel | slams cdbot2 |
| 06:14.38 | zash | ~rape cdbot2 |
| 06:14.38 | apt | ACTION takes cdbot2 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
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| 06:21.31 | orz1 | in the tangogps screen, it says there are 8/0 satellites. What does the 0 denominator signify? |
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| 06:26.49 | kd8ikt | i do not like git |
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| 06:29.37 | lindi- | orz1: gpsdata->satellites / gpsdata->satellites_used |
| 06:29.59 | torindel | backups his moko |
| 06:30.13 | zash | lindi-: sounds backwards |
| 06:30.41 | zash | used/total would have been more logical |
| 06:30.42 | lindi- | zash: bit |
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| 06:32.49 | torindel | used dont sound to well either since those are sats that are in antena range (availble?) -__-; |
| 06:33.18 | Guilt | here is a dumb question. |
| 06:33.29 | Guilt | how do i send commands, like *#111# ? |
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| 06:33.35 | torindel | Guilt: you dont |
| 06:33.50 | torindel | unless you want to do it by hand from terminal |
| 06:34.32 | Guilt | hm? |
| 06:34.50 | Guilt | torindel: do i just dial *#111# ? |
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| 06:36.01 | Guilt | for instance, i'm interested in finding out my available balance, |
| 06:36.04 | zash | Guilt: stuff like checking balance on prepaid cards? |
| 06:36.08 | zash | ah |
| 06:36.08 | Guilt | yeah |
| 06:36.13 | Guilt | how do i get those info messages? |
| 06:36.24 | zash | good question |
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| 06:39.29 | zash | i dont think that it is implemented above the serial interface |
| 06:39.40 | zash | (to the gsm modem) |
| 06:40.24 | Guilt | well? |
| 06:41.15 | torindel | i said it didnt work |
| 06:41.26 | torindel | you can talk to modem directly about that |
| 06:41.52 | zash | is it ATD or some other command? |
| 06:42.52 | torindel | zash: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSD |
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| 06:47.32 | zash | aha! |
| 06:47.42 | zash | http://www.experts-exchange.com/Programming/Languages/Visual_Basic/VB_Script/Q_23017550.html |
| 06:48.22 | Bish | VBß |
| 06:48.26 | Bish | wtf |
| 06:48.34 | zash | AT+CUSD=1,something |
| 06:48.36 | zash | it seems |
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| 06:49.56 | zash | AT+CUSD=1,"*#111#",15 |
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| 06:51.34 | zash | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List#Advanced_Airtime_Tracking |
| 06:51.35 | zash | :D |
| 06:53.22 | ieatlint | heh, yay, the phone somehow failed to charge over usb and when i was working in the console it suddenly turned off and appears to be deep-discharged |
| 06:55.10 | railer | bummer |
| 06:55.48 | railer |  hey, I've opkg install task-openmoko-games, and it worked fine but I can't seem to find any of the icons for the new stuff any suggestions where they would be? I'm using qtopia |
| 06:55.53 | ieatlint | eh... on the plus side i 2 spare nokia phones, 1 with bl-4c and 1 with bl-5c ... sadly, i don't have the wall charger here, heh |
| 06:56.26 | railer | not is it the phone or the cable or the computer usb port? |
| 06:56.38 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 06:57.19 | railer | not = now |
| 06:57.20 | torindel | moin |
| 06:57.32 | torindel | railer: try rebooting moko? |
| 06:57.45 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03andy 07andy * r00c27eb2887c 10/board/neo1973/ (common/udc.c gta02/gta02.c): fix-broken-usb-handed-to-linux.patch |
| 06:57.46 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03andy 07andy * rd872d1ffdbba 10/ (common/cmd_bootm.c drivers/usb/usbdcore_s3c2410.c): fix-kill-endpoints-before-linux.patch |
| 06:57.46 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03andy 07andy * r5ebb764a8bfb 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): fix-stop-sitting-printing-in-time-critical-context.patch |
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| 06:59.43 | railer | no just reboot qtopia |
| 07:03.31 | zash | added a little about USSD to [[Hardware:AT_Commands]] |
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| 07:05.19 | lindi- | any idea why i can't ping machines in the LAN with usb networking? tcpdump on the moko shows it receives a reply but the ping program does not see it: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/ping-trouble1.tcpdump |
| 07:05.29 | railer | nope reboot did nothing still can't find my games |
| 07:07.57 | torindel | zash: we should just make one long page with all standard docs and add examples if doc doesnt have it |
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| 07:13.00 | Bish | naja muss ich wenigstens nicht giessen |
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| 07:19.14 | railer | sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 giving me SIOCSIFADDR: No such device that's new any suggestions? |
| 07:19.16 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03andy 07andy * rc9982d25fc70 10/drivers/ (serial/usbtty.c usb/usbdcore.c usb/usbdcore_s3c2410.c): fix-stop-sitting-printing-in-time-critical-context.patch |
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| 07:27.33 | railer | any suggestions on the usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device, I've done the usb dozens of times never seen that one |
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| 07:28.42 | lindi- | railer: on moko or on desktop? |
| 07:29.12 | railer | desktop tring to connect to moko via usb |
| 07:29.48 | lindi- | railer: you haven't removed anything from the kernel? |
| 07:30.02 | railer | no |
| 07:30.24 | railer | new qtopia w/ upgrade-update |
| 07:30.37 | railer | add games package, rebooted |
| 07:30.47 | railer | before reboot fine |
| 07:31.14 | lindi- | railer: does it show up in lsusb? |
| 07:32.04 | railer | no |
| 07:32.53 | lindi- | railer: ok, then it must be moko side issue |
| 07:33.08 | lindi- | sorry, i don't understand usb host support in linux yet :/ |
| 07:34.54 | railer | damn thing was working fine an hour ago |
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| 07:37.32 | mnagy | hm I tried to lock screen for the first time and it worked, but after I unlocked, I'm not able to lock it anymore. anyone had this kind of problem? |
| 07:37.41 | railer | yup |
| 07:37.51 | mnagy | any workaround? |
| 07:37.54 | ieatlint | anyone try using a "y usb cable" to pull 1A from a computer? |
| 07:37.58 | railer | the little icon wont move up |
| 07:38.31 | TAsn | a friend of mine has the worst moko issue ever |
| 07:38.44 | railer | they shot it? |
| 07:38.44 | TAsn | someone stole his moko before he even got it. |
| 07:38.53 | TAsn | :) |
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| 07:39.32 | lindi- | selling stolen openmoko might be tricky? |
| 07:39.34 | railer | well phone the company and get the mac address shipped to him, then watch ebay it will show up |
| 07:39.54 | ieatlint | hehe, yeah, just imagine the guy who stole it when he tried to figure out what it was |
| 07:40.01 | lindi- | imei? |
| 07:40.19 | mnagy | must have thought it was the worst phone ever :) |
| 07:40.23 | railer | it's probably already at a pawn shop or in the trash |
| 07:40.36 | lindi- | maybe the mokos should be shipped with gps active :) |
| 07:41.05 | lindi- | hrm, i wish i could figure out what's wrong with my networking |
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| 07:44.18 | dbmoodb_ | wtf ? |
| 07:44.29 | dbmoodb_ | dudes we need remote gps tangomaps set up to beat this stuff |
| 07:44.38 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03andy 07andy * rc87c058db789 10/board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c: fix-dont-do-i2c-with-irqs-off.patch |
| 07:44.50 | dbmoodb_ | oh and my moko isn't usb networking any more -- i take it this is a known issue ? |
| 07:45.09 | railer | lol that's what they should call this phone the "Openmoko WTF?" |
| 07:45.15 | ronny | moin |
| 07:45.31 | dbmoodb_ | railer: its great i have debian chrooted so i have some fecking software rofl |
| 07:46.00 | ronny | are the update repos for the development images finally shipping working kernels again ? or does opkg upgrade still break all shit= |
| 07:46.22 | TAsn | ieatlint, hehe yeah, i told my friend to wait, he will find it broken floating in the thems since the guy who stole it won't even get it to boot ;0 |
| 07:46.27 | railer | well starting to think it's killing usb |
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| 07:47.36 | railer | I think I'm going to have to flash this whore again |
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| 07:50.13 | BlackFog | good morning |
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| 07:53.40 | dbmoodb_ | yeah ah did the most recent uodate kill any one elses usb networking ? |
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| 07:54.03 | railer | yuppers! |
| 07:54.21 | railer | HE'S DEAD JIM! |
| 07:54.27 | dbmoodb_ | next it will be wifi and then we will be jailed |
| 07:54.31 | dbmoodb_ | as opposed to jailbroken |
| 07:54.46 | dbmoodb_ | oddly enough my wifi isn't working atm either |
| 07:55.13 | kd8ikt | from what i heard the latest image has some kernel stuff modulized |
| 07:55.26 | dbmoodb_ | wait its working---- so we should modprobe usb blah ? |
| 07:55.38 | kd8ikt | i dunno |
| 07:56.06 | dbmoodb_ | have you updated yours ? |
| 07:56.17 | dbmoodb_ | can you go lsmod and check for any usb networking related things |
| 07:57.11 | railer | yes just updated and rebooted, usb is now gone |
| 07:57.20 | kd8ikt | http://pastebin.com/d284e289b |
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| 07:58.58 | dbmoodb_ | ha you have ipv6 nice |
| 07:59.15 | dbmoodb_ | wait where did yo uget the from ? |
| 07:59.36 | kd8ikt | what ipv6? opkg install kernel-module-ipv6 |
| 07:59.36 | dbmoodb_ | i can't see anything different really ... |
| 07:59.53 | dbmoodb_ | kd8ikt: any tunneling software yet ? |
| 08:00.06 | kd8ikt | tunnel is on my openwrt router |
| 08:00.14 | kd8ikt | phone is connected to it |
| 08:00.34 | dbmoodb_ | yeah but for those of us who are running svn x-wrt on their devices -- and don't have the module ... |
| 08:01.41 | kd8ikt | xwrt :P wasted ram on httpd |
| 08:01.52 | Ainulindale | Does anyone know how to be sure the battery is charging from the command line ? |
| 08:02.14 | kd8ikt | apm |
| 08:02.16 | railer | apm |
| 08:02.22 | railer | damn it |
| 08:02.32 | kd8ikt | wait Ainulindale youre joking right? |
| 08:02.41 | dbmoodb_ | yeah apm shows that if you plug it into the computer it is no longer charging -- for me |
| 08:02.44 | Ainulindale | Why would I joke ? |
| 08:03.09 | kd8ikt | you fricken make kernel patches right? |
| 08:03.20 | Ainulindale | Maybe in one of my other lives |
| 08:03.26 | dbmoodb_ | it says its "online" |
| 08:03.32 | Ainulindale | (Or one of my secret identities) |
| 08:03.33 | Ainulindale | (But no) |
| 08:03.52 | dbmoodb_ | wtf ? fun |
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| 08:04.44 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 08:05.13 | ronny | again! are the repos for the dev images finally free of the broken kernel upgrades? |
| 08:05.24 | ronny | i dont want to brick to phone again just to figure |
| 08:05.28 | Ainulindale | I just left it plugged the whole night and it's at 25%. Hmpf. |
| 08:05.54 | ronny | Ainulindale: sounds like your usb-port power supply is too weak |
| 08:06.03 | railer | yes it look like the lasest upgrade might be a little wonkie |
| 08:06.19 | ronny | railer: so its still broken? |
| 08:06.30 | ronny | is there any way to exclude the kernel upgrade? |
| 08:06.35 | Ainulindale | ronny: it was charging quite nicely before |
| 08:06.41 | railer | lost usb and maybe ability to charge |
| 08:06.52 | Ainulindale | And I don't use the latest upgrade |
| 08:06.55 | Ainulindale | I'm on FSO MS2. |
| 08:07.01 | railer | I've been charging all day at 88% and dropping |
| 08:07.08 | dbmoodb_ | railer: its charging alright from the ac adaptor |
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| 08:08.07 | dbmoodb_ | w00t gcc is not actually symlinked |
| 08:08.09 | railer | not off my usb, it's not charging |
| 08:08.41 | dbmoodb_ | railer: off usb isn't not charging if you plug it into a computer --- it just says "online" |
| 08:09.26 | railer | it charges off my usb, i've NEVER used my wall outlet |
| 08:09.36 | railer | or at least it use to |
| 08:10.02 | Ainulindale | Ok I just plugged the battery out and in again, and now it's charging nicely. |
| 08:10.17 | Ainulindale | I did check some things before : apm for 5 minutes, no change |
| 08:10.23 | Ainulindale | ANd there in one minute it took 2%. |
| 08:10.26 | Ainulindale | Weird then. |
| 08:10.26 | railer | mines not |
| 08:10.59 | railer | and no usb network connection |
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| 08:11.06 | ronny | hmm, is there any usable gps routing software for the openmoko |
| 08:11.17 | ronny | (tile-map based stuff aint exactly usefull there |
| 08:11.24 | railer | define usable |
| 08:11.59 | dbmoodb_ | hi ah where are contacts stored on the actual phone ? |
| 08:12.07 | Ainulindale | dbmoodb_: depends on the distro |
| 08:12.10 | Ainulindale | FSO : no storing right now |
| 08:12.18 | Ainulindale | 2007.2 : in EDS (.evolution) |
| 08:12.20 | lindi- | grr, the mini-A connector from atmel does not fit to freerunner. i wish usb was really universal :) |
| 08:12.23 | ronny | railer: usable = can be used for pathfinding |
| 08:12.31 | Ainulindale | ronny: navit ? |
| 08:12.39 | dbmoodb_ | the default one -- so in .evolution then ? |
| 08:12.51 | railer | tango maybe |
| 08:13.19 | Ainulindale | dbmoodb_: yep |
| 08:13.22 | ronny | railer: tango isnt practical for pathfinding at all |
| 08:13.29 | Ainulindale | tango doesn't do pathfinding |
| 08:13.36 | Stroller | yawns & stretches |
| 08:13.42 | Stroller | Morning, all |
| 08:13.46 | ronny | Ainulindale: is there any package source? |
| 08:13.49 | Bish | hey Stroller |
| 08:13.54 | railer | ah well then no |
| 08:14.02 | kd8ikt | navit is for pathfinding |
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| 08:14.14 | Stroller | Hey, Bish. How's things? |
| 08:14.14 | kd8ikt | though i dunno how well it works in its current state |
| 08:15.00 | Ainulindale | ronny: there's an ipk I think |
| 08:16.13 | railer | well reflashing |
| 08:18.45 | orz1 | how do i create a package repository for my neo? |
| 08:19.20 | Ainulindale | if you used bitbake |
| 08:19.23 | Ainulindale | bitbake package-index |
| 08:19.40 | Ainulindale | and copy the deply/glibc/ipk/<arch>/* on a webserver directory |
| 08:19.48 | Ainulindale | And put the URL to that directory on your feeds |
| 08:19.51 | Ainulindale | As simple as that |
| 08:20.46 | orz1 | i said "bitbake help" trying to get usage info and its doing a bunch of stuff |
| 08:20.57 | Ainulindale | bitbake --help |
| 08:20.59 | Ainulindale | or -h |
| 08:20.59 | orz1 | 32% complete doing idunno what |
| 08:21.07 | orz1 | shoudl i stop it? |
| 08:21.13 | Ainulindale | You should :-) |
| 08:21.16 | ronny | hmm |
| 08:21.23 | ronny | i should set up my own repo |
| 08:21.31 | ronny | gets the bitbake howtos |
| 08:21.56 | Zorkman | ronnny: if you get gps to work with navit, let me know :) |
| 08:24.18 | orz1 | ronny, where are you looking for those howtos |
| 08:25.12 | Zorkman | opkg upgrade broke my ASU once again :( |
| 08:25.31 | Zorkman | i thought they nuked the package that made everything go crazy? |
| 08:27.48 | orz1 | is tehre a single wiki page that talks about ASU, 2007.2, qtopia and whatever other images are available |
| 08:28.26 | railer | Zorkman Guess not |
| 08:28.46 | orz1 | question mark |
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| 08:31.32 | pabs3 | is there a gui available for wireless? |
| 08:32.11 | kd8ikt | a few of em actually |
| 08:32.25 | kd8ikt | mofi wifi lint-wifi some other named one |
| 08:32.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | anyone else updated the kernel in the last few hrs? my phones not charging, or picking up an IP over usb |
| 08:32.50 | kd8ikt | lint-wifi is pretty pimp dont think its a fullblown ipkg yet though |
| 08:32.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | and thats a bad thing :( |
| 08:33.10 | kd8ikt | have you plugged it into the AC charger? |
| 08:33.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | no, into the usb port i've charged it from the last few times |
| 08:33.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | doesnt have an ac charger yet |
| 08:33.45 | railer | reflashed NO upgrade, usb fine, battery charging again |
| 08:36.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | railer, you had the same problem? |
| 08:36.44 | railer | ya |
| 08:37.09 | railer | last upgrade fried the usb |
| 08:37.18 | Zorkman | railer: |
| 08:37.37 | railer | ya |
| 08:38.07 | Zorkman | you should do after the opkg upgrade, but BEFORE reboot: |
| 08:38.07 | Zorkman | opkg install kernel-module-g-ether kernel-module-cdc-ether |
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| 08:38.38 | Zorkman | depmod |
| 08:38.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | railer, bugger. i'll try reinstalling the kernel then i guess |
| 08:38.52 | railer | so do the one then the other, right? |
| 08:39.52 | orz1 | i want to create a repository for opkg. I guess opkg repositories are hosted via http? Ok. I guess I am supposed to upload a bunch of packages to my webserver and put along with a package index. Any particular layout? How do i generate the package index? |
| 08:40.33 | orz1 | a nice url would be appreciated |
| 08:40.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | orz1, looks to me like its just a flat directory with all your packages in it. then generate Packages[,gz] |
| 08:41.18 | orz1 | what exactly does bitbake package-index do? |
| 08:41.26 | CVirus | http://www.indamixx.com/ |
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| 08:42.44 | kd8ikt | wow latest om-dev is pimp a lot of cosmetic updates |
| 08:43.10 | kd8ikt | just flashed his latest built jffs and kern |
| 08:43.29 | Zorkman | which distro kd8ikt? |
| 08:43.35 | kd8ikt | maybe i should plop a few screenshots on scap here in a sec |
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| 08:44.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | will the FR charge turned off ? that should work around any OS issues shouldnt it? |
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| 08:45.42 | Zorkman | screens would be nice kd8ikt |
| 08:46.09 | kd8ikt | hey checkit out now scap.linuxtogo |
| 08:46.46 | kd8ikt | that lil aux menu just takes up a lil corner |
| 08:47.07 | kd8ikt | the theme has been streamlined 3d look |
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| 08:48.06 | Zorkman | url? |
| 08:48.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4571 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/source/communication_qtopia-phone-x11-qtmail.png: Update the qtmail thumbnail |
| 08:48.29 | kd8ikt | for what |
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| 08:50.26 | Zorkman | <kd8ikt> hey checkit out now scap.linuxtogo , i guesed you were trying to show us some screenshots |
| 08:50.43 | kd8ikt | http://scap.linuxtogo.org |
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| 08:53.43 | Wolv-X | hello |
| 08:53.58 | Wolv-X | can somebody help me with compilation of openmoko on debian? |
| 08:54.04 | Wolv-X | i have a specific problem |
| 08:55.02 | kd8ikt | whats your problem |
| 08:56.09 | Wolv-X | ok, i cannot build webkit |
| 08:56.11 | lindi- | openmoko-agpsui says 150 dBm as the signal level, does this mean that i should apply the gps fix? |
| 08:56.33 | Wolv-X | appear an error with libtool |
| 08:56.56 | Wolv-X | than i have removed the package and now i can't download that |
| 08:57.11 | Wolv-X | appear "404 Not Found" |
| 08:57.25 | Zorkman | wtf, the FSO background screen is copyrighted |
| 08:57.59 | CVirus | http://www.indamixx.com/ |
| 08:58.10 | CVirus | looks pretty neat |
| 08:58.14 | CVirus | running linux |
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| 08:59.07 | pabs3 | Zorkman: the license makes a difference, not the copyright |
| 08:59.15 | Zorkman | ah k |
| 08:59.33 | Wolv-X | anybody knows what i have to do? |
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| 09:05.27 | bri4nwc | Anybody feel like helping me with a routine wiki cleanup task? |
| 09:06.33 | bri4nwc | If so, I'm trying to make the Community Category page readable/useful by weeding out some junk: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Community |
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| 09:07.22 | bri4nwc | In particular, I'm going to each of the zillion Openmoko Local Group pages and deleting Category:Community so that the Local group pages are only listed in the Category "Openmoko Local Groups" and not also "Community" |
| 09:07.43 | bri4nwc | This will help make the Category:Community page actually readable. |
| 09:07.51 | Stroller | bri4nwc: you should discuss this on -documentation first |
| 09:08.00 | bri4nwc | because all that cruft will be elsewhere |
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| 09:09.34 | ecraven | morning ;) |
| 09:09.40 | ecraven | anyone working with Erlang on the FR? |
| 09:10.56 | Zorkman | morning ecraven |
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| 09:13.47 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4572 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/source/ (3 files): Add more thumbnails for Qtopia-phone-x11 |
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| 09:19.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4573 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/source/ (2 files): |
| 09:19.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Renamed the thumbnail |
| 09:19.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: qtopia-phone-x11-dailer to communication_qtopia-phone-x11-dailer |
| 09:20.19 | eckhard | hi, can someone plese help me with this Mokomakefile-error? |
| 09:20.21 | Zorkman | You don't have permission to access /daily/freerunner/200807/ on this server. |
| 09:20.25 | eckhard | http://rafb.net/p/4k0heE80.html |
| 09:21.04 | kd8ikt | is it just me or has the buildhost changed its folder structure |
| 09:21.16 | Zorkman | nope, it changed |
| 09:21.23 | kd8ikt | daily-feed is gone |
| 09:22.03 | Zorkman | was about to flash... |
| 09:22.48 | XorA | Im rebuilding from scratch |
| 09:22.53 | XorA | will be back in about 16 hours |
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| 09:24.11 | Zorkman | flash is running on the FreeRunner? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/c655c0be12da7260f8d49447b6b18c86.png |
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| 09:24.37 | kd8ikt | nice |
| 09:25.04 | leinir | That'll be gnash :) |
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| 09:26.40 | kd8ikt | hey whats that cool draw program i saw on the recent scap screenshots? |
| 09:27.30 | Zorkman | you're not talking about numptyphiscs are you? (that is a game) |
| 09:28.03 | kd8ikt | oh noshit? |
| 09:28.07 | Zorkman | ah, there also was a drawing program: mtPaint 3 |
| 09:28.15 | Zorkman | (it says mtPaint 3. |
| 09:28.26 | kd8ikt | yeah but i'm unimpressed with mtpaint |
| 09:28.29 | Zorkman | "mtPaint 3...." i mean |
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| 09:29.59 | jopk | hi |
| 09:30.37 | jopk | what's up with the repositority? I get 403 errors when trying to opkg update. |
| 09:30.38 | Zorkman | hi |
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| 09:33.03 | Zorkman | jopkg: maybe it has something to do with http://buildhost.openmoko.org/ reorganizing (at least that's what i think they're ding...) |
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| 09:34.44 | jopk | ok, maybe it works in the afternoon |
| 09:38.45 | kd8ikt | yeah jopk i think they just changed it like 15min ago |
| 09:39.03 | kd8ikt | i was in the middle of a fricken upgrade too |
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| 09:39.18 | kd8ikt | then suddenly "cant download" :P |
| 09:39.29 | kd8ikt | i coulda swpre it was working minuntes before |
| 09:39.42 | CVirus | is this mailing list still available ? openmoko-apps@lists.openmoko.org |
| 09:39.42 | kd8ikt | seconds even |
| 09:42.28 | Zorkman | never heard of it... |
| 09:42.31 | Zorkman | try it out... |
| 09:44.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | yayyayaya! the aussie power adaptors have arrived \o/ |
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| 09:47.16 | pabs3 | are there builds of lint-wifi anywhere? |
| 09:48.01 | kd8ikt | its not too tough to build |
| 09:48.17 | kd8ikt | if you have the prebuilt toolchain |
| 09:48.30 | kd8ikt | i could try building it for you |
| 09:48.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | does the openmoko buildd being offline mean i wont be able to get fixed packages for the USB bug? |
| 09:48.49 | pabs3 | kd8ikt: I don't yet unfortunately |
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| 09:49.09 | pabs3 | tries mofi in the meantime |
| 09:49.48 | rwhitby | Hmm - buildhost daily images seem to have disappeared ... |
| 09:49.58 | kd8ikt | yeah i thought you did that! |
| 09:50.11 | kd8ikt | it went down like minutes ago |
| 09:50.19 | jopk | how can I check how much space is left on my freerunner? |
| 09:50.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, hello |
| 09:50.26 | pabs3 | not yet, got distracted by downloading OSM data and the matchbox keyboard |
| 09:50.28 | kd8ikt | i was in the middle of a freakin pkg upgrade and it destroyed my setup |
| 09:50.34 | pabs3 | jopk: df -h in a terminal |
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| 09:50.51 | kd8ikt | is now reflashing rootfs |
| 09:51.04 | kd8ikt | lucky for me i have my own lil repo |
| 09:51.11 | Kev_ | hi |
| 09:51.19 | jopk | pabs3, thx |
| 09:51.26 | kd8ikt | http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/Aug1 |
| 09:51.50 | kd8ikt | fresh pkgs from this morning |
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| 09:52.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | kd8ikt, how do you maintain it? maintain a mirror of the main system somehow? |
| 09:52.26 | kd8ikt | no i just did a mokomake |
| 09:52.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah |
| 09:53.20 | kd8ikt | and its on my dsl server so dont expect lightning speeds or support esp of more then 2-3 are using it at a time |
| 09:53.34 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: hi |
| 09:53.45 | kd8ikt | 700kbps up gets drained rather quickly |
| 09:53.49 | pabs3 | argh, mofi ipkg sucks, no dep on python-gtk |
| 09:54.04 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: I will be at lunch tomorrow |
| 09:54.05 | kd8ikt | yeah he didnt setup dependencies |
| 09:54.12 | kd8ikt | when he built the ipkg |
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| 09:54.31 | pabs3 | where do I get python gtk from? |
| 09:54.51 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: what images should I put on the GTA02 and GTA01 for tomorrow? |
| 09:54.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, sweet. i'm looking forward to it. |
| 09:55.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, i was thinking perhaps the qtopia one(s?). they'll get to see plenty of the stock image, so perhaps something a bit different for 'show and tell' |
| 09:55.40 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: I like the kenny to unlock the phone :) |
| 09:55.48 | kd8ikt | yeah its pimp |
| 09:55.49 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, that's why I was asking |
| 09:56.04 | rwhitby | Now to find such images ... |
| 09:56.16 | pabs3 | round it |
| 09:56.16 | ike | Hey. Is there any change with daily builds? I haven't got anything to upgrade for two days already... |
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| 09:56.33 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: How about FSO on one? |
| 09:56.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, i've spent all my time on the stock (plus its updates), so i cant suggest anything particular i'm afraid (i just lent my 'toy' phone to a mate) |
| 09:56.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, ok |
| 09:56.59 | ike | I've got "You don't have permission to access /daily-feed/armv4t/Packages.gz on this server." why? Any tips? |
| 09:57.12 | ecraven | the server directory layout is changing |
| 09:57.22 | ike | Oh. So it's intentional, right? |
| 09:57.55 | lindi- | that's my guess |
| 09:58.44 | Kev_ | Is there someone else with the sim-card problem? |
| 09:59.01 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: the "practice disassembly" GTA01 should be good fun |
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| 09:59.21 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: where are those images stored? can't find them in /usr/shaer/pixmaps |
| 09:59.22 | rwhitby | allows people to get the feel of opening it completely up before ever needing to |
| 09:59.22 | kd8ikt | oh hai who wanted that lint wifi build? |
| 09:59.32 | kd8ikt | /usr/share/neod ? |
| 09:59.39 | kd8ikt | ^--lock screen |
| 09:59.48 | pabs3 | does! |
| 09:59.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, actually, thats probably one of the things i'm looiking forward to most. will you bring along a debug board? i have one, but the calbe looks a bit fragile to lug around for simple show'n'tell |
| 09:59.55 | Zorkman | thanks! |
| 10:00.11 | Zorkman | also does, but only if you don't have to build it again, but if yo have it lying around.. |
| 10:00.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | found an awsome neod bug. (press aux, and it backgrounds the screen lock) |
| 10:00.28 | kd8ikt | http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/Aug1/lint-wifi/ |
| 10:00.43 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: I left it at work, but can pick it up on the way if you really want it. I wouldn't bring the cable though, since it's had lots of insertion cycles already so I need to treat it carefully |
| 10:00.49 | kd8ikt | fallow the wiki pages instructions for install |
| 10:01.08 | lindi- | ike: i hope they fix it soon, i want to install gps-utils |
| 10:01.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, i'm tossing up wether its going to be interesting enough for people. all they could really do is look at it i suppose |
| 10:01.54 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: if ever anyone needs a devirginate, I'm set up to do it in Waymouth Street during working hours. |
| 10:02.20 | rwhitby | (that would be an interesting statement taken out of context ...) |
| 10:02.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes,, it would |
| 10:02.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | fg |
| 10:02.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | :| |
| 10:02.35 | ike | lindi: ;-) yea. But I haven't seen any mail about it at lists.openmoko.org. |
| 10:02.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, cool. i'm still trying to find a safe place to store mine (hopefully i never use it, but y' know ...) |
| 10:03.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, btw, some clues about flashing uboot would be cool ( i cant make head or tail of the wiki pages) |
| 10:03.19 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: stpid questin: do you also have modified north.png and south.png files? because now on top and on the bottom there's still the green background |
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| 10:03.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | but i can probably ask that tomorrow |
| 10:03.23 | lindi- | is there any better way to measure energy consumption than measuring how long it takes for output of "apm" to drop from N to N-1? |
| 10:03.31 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: I put the board and the cable in a spare OM pouch when not using it |
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| 10:04.00 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: have you got a working dfu-util on the host, and the moko in dfu-util mode? |
| 10:04.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, do i take it the cable can be bent a lot then? mines still flat - didnt want to risk damaging it |
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| 10:04.34 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: I leave one end plugged into the debug board, and wrap it around the board lengthways before putting it in the pouch |
| 10:04.45 | pabs3 | kd8ikt: awesome, thanks |
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| 10:04.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, i have a working dfu-util, the FR isnt in d-u mode atm - just charging it (i got bitten by the usb problem in the last kernel) |
| 10:04.51 | rwhitby | the cable itself is quite sturdy - the connectors at the end have limited number of insertions apparently |
| 10:04.54 | kd8ikt | Zorkman: check again |
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| 10:05.06 | Zorkman | thanks! |
| 10:05.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | moves cable into FR goodies box |
| 10:05.30 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: power off, hold in AUX, hold in power, wait 3 secs, release AUX, wait for NOR boot menu, release power. |
| 10:07.21 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: I usually plug my neo into my arm-based router or NSLU2 to flash it. |
| 10:08.34 | pabs3 | kd8ikt: where might I find out how to install those? |
| 10:08.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, i think the neo is my only arm device (unless the linksys is as well) |
| 10:08.52 | pabs3 | I presume it uses pygtk :( |
| 10:09.04 | CVirus | Isn't there an Openmoko applications "wish list" ? |
| 10:09.10 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: which linksys, and does it have a usb port? |
| 10:09.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, WRT54G (wireless router), no usb IIRC |
| 10:09.36 | kd8ikt | pabs3: i forget ieatlint would know he built it check in the top of lint-wifi.py |
| 10:09.53 | kd8ikt | i think its hardcoded to /usr/bin i cant remember |
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| 10:10.29 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: qtopia or ASU for the second device? |
| 10:10.34 | CVirus | I think this is it http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List |
| 10:10.36 | kd8ikt | f.ctrl = "/home/root/wpa_lint" |
| 10:10.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, let me look at ASU, i'm not sure what it is :) |
| 10:11.19 | kd8ikt | chmod both wpa_lint and lint-wifi.py , put lint-wifi.py in /usr/bin |
| 10:11.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, i'm thinking qtopia :) |
| 10:11.38 | kd8ikt | is writeing instructions on the wiki now |
| 10:12.05 | rwhitby | anyone got a url for the qtopia image handy? |
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| 10:19.34 | orz1 | id like a small gyroscopic mouse to attach to the neo and alow me to scroll documents and such by moving the neo as if it were a manifying glass being moved over a document |
| 10:20.02 | orz1 | or are the freerunner accelerometers sensitive enough to do that? |
| 10:20.06 | methril | morning |
| 10:20.16 | flexd | orz1: Probably possible with accelerometers |
| 10:21.08 | kd8ikt | pabs3: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Lint-wifi#Beta_Testing |
| 10:21.28 | Quai | it is a bit tricky since you cant detect constant movments |
| 10:21.53 | flexd | You can detect acceleration in certain directions |
| 10:22.06 | flexd | use math to solve the rest i guess... |
| 10:22.19 | orz1 | i dont have a freerunner |
| 10:22.25 | orz1 | i'm still using a gta01 |
| 10:22.38 | flexd | Hmmm, if you code it i'll try it |
| 10:22.47 | flexd | I dont have the time to try to code anything myself atm |
| 10:22.56 | orz1 | me either really |
| 10:23.07 | Quai | flexd: fr has two sensors, so it should detect movments in almost any directions, right? |
| 10:23.12 | orz1 | and like i said, i dont have a phoen with accelerometrs |
| 10:23.13 | pabs3 | kd8ikt: thanks :D |
| 10:23.19 | flexd | Quai: Yes |
| 10:23.22 | ieatlint | what he means is that constant movement isn't reliably registered |
| 10:23.25 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: you forgot a wget |
| 10:23.50 | kd8ikt | its a fricken wiki edit it |
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| 10:23.56 | flexd | ieatlint: Yes... but you can probably "fake" constant movement with some kind of math based on the data from the two accelerometers. |
| 10:24.12 | ieatlint | sadly, i doubt it |
| 10:24.13 | kd8ikt | and ieatlint is here hooray |
| 10:24.15 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: i did, just wanted to let you know..sheez... |
| 10:24.20 | flexd | I dont know, but you can detect when it starts, how fast its moving, and then it stops |
| 10:24.27 | kd8ikt | i hd.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/Aug1/lint-wifi/lint-wifi.py |
| 10:24.27 | kd8ikt | chmod +x lint-wifi.py |
| 10:24.32 | ieatlint | the two accelerometers tend to report near identical values |
| 10:24.41 | kd8ikt | whoopz pasted again |
| 10:24.45 | pabs3 | now I just need to get pygtk |
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| 10:25.05 | kd8ikt | are the ipkg repo's abck up? |
| 10:25.29 | ieatlint | the issue is that the accelerometers work on 3 axes |
| 10:25.47 | ieatlint | they do not detect general motion, but changes on the axes |
| 10:26.10 | pabs3 | kd8ikt: negatory |
| 10:26.45 | ieatlint | so if you roll the phone on it's side, the X axis will register it, the Z axis will note the change of orientation for gravity, and the Y axis tends to be the opposite value of X |
| 10:26.55 | kd8ikt | whispers my site has some pkgs on it |
| 10:27.15 | kd8ikt | now leave me alone i need to play with my freerunner |
| 10:27.36 | rwhitby | finds latest fso images at http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973 |
| 10:27.37 | kd8ikt | runs away with his fingers in his ears screaming |
| 10:27.37 | ieatlint | if i hold the phone horizontally, and move it left and right, values change, but not in a predictable way, really just reflecting that i can't hold it still on the X and Y axes, and that gravity isn't 100% constant when moving it so it will fluctuate as well |
| 10:28.03 | ieatlint | you can conclude there's movement, but not in any direction, nor estimate the distance moved |
| 10:28.18 | ieatlint | and hey kd8ikt |
| 10:28.20 | ieatlint | :) |
| 10:28.25 | Zorkman | ieatlint: someone is doing a GSoC on gestured, so maybe it will be easier whe nhe has finished |
| 10:28.46 | Prezu | Guys, I try to get QEMU emulation working. When I flash the emulator with rootfs and friends from here: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ which is the default, i get unusable image -- after boot 4 icons in the lower part of the screen and they are not working. |
| 10:28.59 | Prezu | I mean pressing them has no effect |
| 10:29.02 | ieatlint | Zorkman, gestures could work depending on how you do them |
| 10:29.32 | ieatlint | for instance, move the phone vertically upward and gravity suddenly increases, move it down and it decreases |
| 10:29.43 | ieatlint | but no way to tell how far you went |
| 10:29.45 | Zorkman | it will be possible to "train" gestures using (hidden markov model) so in whatever way I will do it, if I train it it should work |
| 10:29.50 | lindi- | Prezu: did you go along the lines of http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/blog/posts/openmoko_emulation.html? |
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| 10:31.08 | Prezu | lindi-: Nope, didn't know about this site. Thanks, just reading :) |
| 10:31.41 | ieatlint | you could also set the phone to scroll up/down/left/right by doing something like "when the Y axis does this, scroll up" |
| 10:32.22 | flexd | goes to watch the quality movie "Superhero Movie" |
| 10:32.33 | Prezu | lindi-: Can you please take a look at http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/ |
| 10:32.49 | ieatlint | i want to create a useless program that forces you to keep it near level (eg, like lying on a table) and the farther you move it from 0 x/y, the vibrator will start and increase in intensity |
| 10:33.00 | Prezu | There should be freerunner directory, but there's only "working" dir. |
| 10:33.44 | Prezu | Huh, strange |
| 10:34.05 | kd8ikt | heh thats funny ieatlint |
| 10:35.16 | kd8ikt | so the values arent absolute? |
| 10:35.39 | kd8ikt | i dunno i need to play with it more aswell |
| 10:35.40 | ieatlint | what do you mean? |
| 10:35.58 | lindi- | Prezu: yes it's not working |
| 10:36.03 | lindi- | Prezu: stopped working a few hours ago |
| 10:36.04 | kd8ikt | eh nothin |
| 10:36.56 | ieatlint | i've been playing with the accelerometers a lot |
| 10:37.06 | pabs3 | kd8ikt: hmm, with python-pygtk installed, lint-wifi/mofi both say ImportError: No module named gtk |
| 10:37.21 | Prezu | lindi-: But what you are installing (your blog entry) is GTK+. Right? |
| 10:37.39 | Prezu | lindi-: Is there usable qtopia image? |
| 10:38.16 | Prezu | I guess it's ASU (OpenMoko QTopia) |
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| 10:38.45 | Prezu | I not familiar with OpenMoko yet, just started playing around with it |
| 10:38.45 | kd8ikt | pabs3: opkg list |grep python |grep gtk |
| 10:39.43 | lindi- | Prezu: i don't know. i have stick to gtk (2007.2?) for now |
| 10:39.51 | kd8ikt | er wait pabs3 try python-pygobject |
| 10:40.09 | ieatlint | lint-wifi doesn't use pygobject |
| 10:40.51 | kd8ikt | it confuses me that import gtk wouldnt work when he has pygtk installed |
| 10:41.02 | pabs3 | also :) |
| 10:41.22 | ieatlint | well, its not properly installed :) |
| 10:41.45 | ieatlint | try reinstalling perhaps |
| 10:42.20 | ieatlint | or even just type python into the shell, go into the "shell" and try "import gtk" and see what it says... |
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| 10:42.50 | El_Senator | Hello everyone |
| 10:43.13 | Zorkman | llo |
| 10:43.44 | robster | Chocky: yes i do. |
| 10:44.01 | pabs3 | ieatlint: yeah, tried the python shell, it fails to import too |
| 10:44.46 | pabs3 | looks like it might have be python-pygobject, since opkg install python-pygtk wants to install that too |
| 10:44.50 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 10:44.55 | pabs3 | but the repo is 403 :/ |
| 10:45.04 | ieatlint | opkg fails me all the time, but it always gives me cryptic errors when it does |
| 10:45.52 | El_Senator | pabs3: do you know what's wrong with the repo? |
| 10:46.02 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories |
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| 10:46.33 | kd8ikt | likes scaredycats |
| 10:47.20 | pabs3 | El_Senator: no idea, someone said they were reorganising them |
| 10:47.45 | eckhard | is someone caring about config mngmnt on the FR? |
| 10:48.08 | lindi- | eckhard: config management? |
| 10:48.45 | El_Senator | pabs3: it's a waiting game then :) |
| 10:48.52 | eckhard | had the idea to store some config data on sdcard and make links out of /etc/ to /media/card/ where by flasing the rootfs some defaults would reside |
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| 10:48.59 | eckhard | lindi-: yes |
| 10:49.11 | CVirus | Did anybody emulate the FreeRunner with the latest build on Qemu ? |
| 10:49.27 | eckhard | this yould avoid the need to copie the data from sdcard after flashing |
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| 10:50.46 | ulix | hello |
| 10:50.47 | ulix | ho |
| 10:50.52 | zash | CVirus: as in a clean make qemu? |
| 10:50.53 | ulix | see ya |
| 10:51.05 | CVirus | zash: I have no clue what are you talking about |
| 10:51.13 | zash | CVirus: mokomakefile |
| 10:51.30 | CVirus | zash: no clue .. never did anything related before |
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| 10:51.38 | kd8ikt | pabs3: those instructions worked for me you just need to make sure pygtk installs |
| 10:51.40 | CVirus | zash: I'm compiling qemu in the meantime |
| 10:51.49 | CVirus | zash: all what I want to do is run the latest OM build |
| 10:52.20 | zash | i did try whatever 'make qemu' gives some day ago |
| 10:52.28 | zash | didnt work very well |
| 10:52.32 | CVirus | hmm |
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| 11:07.05 | daedeloth | Greetings my fellow geeks! |
| 11:07.13 | daedeloth | So the openmoko is for sale... is it good? |
| 11:07.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | for my value of good :) |
| 11:08.28 | Tm_T | Kamping_Kaiser: indeed it's good :) |
| 11:08.46 | daedeloth | is it good enough to show off against an iphone? :) |
| 11:08.48 | ieatlint | it's a great toy |
| 11:08.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tm_T, :) hello. good to see you again |
| 11:08.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | daedeloth, depends what your trying to show |
| 11:09.00 | ieatlint | it's not reliable, however, in any way |
| 11:09.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | finds it somewhat more free, for example |
| 11:09.09 | Tm_T | Kamping_Kaiser: indeed, long time gone, where have you been hiding, son? |
| 11:09.14 | bumbl | daedeloth: yes it is |
| 11:09.27 | daedeloth | hm "its not reliable"... what do you mean? |
| 11:09.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tm_T, in the land of RL, and work that pays. |
| 11:09.51 | Tm_T | Kamping_Kaiser: ah, familiar story, I have same situation |
| 11:09.55 | ieatlint | daedeloth, in the "hey dude, i tried to call you, but it just went to voicemail" way |
| 11:10.05 | Tm_T | ieatlint: well I'm about to replace laptop on the road with Neo so... :-P |
| 11:10.07 | daedeloth | that's not good... |
| 11:10.09 | kd8ikt | got rid of voicemail |
| 11:10.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tm_T, i sympathise |
| 11:10.33 | ieatlint | although with FSO, it's actually pretty decent... since switching to it, no one has told me they couldn't call |
| 11:10.55 | daedeloth | FS0? |
| 11:10.58 | ieatlint | sms is another story... although i always get the message, eventually |
| 11:11.08 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 11:11.14 | ieatlint | there are different images (like linux distros, in a sense), and FSO is one of them |
| 11:12.06 | Tm_T | Kamping_Kaiser: yup, I got a job, coding, using FOSS, and via Ubuntu contacts, hooray for FOSS communities |
| 11:12.37 | daedeloth | So, it has wifi, GPS and GPRS... |
| 11:12.48 | Tm_T | Kamping_Kaiser: and, at some point, we might use Moko sw or Neo hw some way :) |
| 11:13.28 | ieatlint | plus bluetooth, accelerometers |
| 11:13.45 | ieatlint | a very accurate battery gauge |
| 11:13.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tm_T, sweet! nice work. i'm hoping to work 0.8 (4 days a week) so i can keep doing something useful on that spare day |
| 11:14.47 | Tm_T | Kamping_Kaiser: I had bad luck, got full day job... meh, atleast I got a job so good anyway :) |
| 11:15.05 | daedeloth | how does it "lay in the hand"? Can you put it in your pocket? |
| 11:15.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tm_T, hey, its the paid work that lets us hack in what time we have left |
| 11:15.21 | Tm_T | yeah |
| 11:15.24 | ieatlint | daedeloth, fits fine in my pocket |
| 11:15.34 | ieatlint | as to laying in the hand... ask someone else, i'm left handed :P |
| 11:15.38 | daedeloth | hm, so the only issue left is the price :) |
| 11:15.47 | Tm_T | daedeloth: about the size of normal phone, perhaps a bit wider |
| 11:16.40 | Kev_ | is there anybody else with the sim card problem? don't take the sim, can't use the phone to make calls... anyone? |
| 11:20.16 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm also bringing two extra charged batteries with me tomorrow. |
| 11:21.11 | daedeloth | hm, I don't seem to find the price |
| 11:21.12 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: Strathfields at TTP had a third-party nokia bl5c charger for $5 :-) |
| 11:21.21 | daedeloth | how much does this little piece of hardware cost? :) |
| 11:21.36 | Zorkman | i get /dev/ttySAC1: Permission denied |
| 11:22.06 | Zorkman | when typing " |
| 11:22.06 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.06 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, nice find. i think my existing phone may use the same battery, handy for me |
| 11:22.30 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: my wife's Nokia refused to charge non-genuine batteries |
| 11:22.31 | ieatlint | you can't execute /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 11:22.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, i havent tried yet, i might try it on sunday night |
| 11:23.01 | Zorkman | how do i read the data from gps then? andy wrote in a mail: |
| 11:23.06 | Zorkman | echo 0 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron && |
| 11:23.06 | Zorkman | sleep 1s && echo 1 > |
| 11:23.06 | Zorkman | /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron && stty -F |
| 11:23.06 | Zorkman | /dev/ttySAC1 -echo && cat -u /dev/ttySAC1 | grep -v ^$ |
| 11:24.36 | ieatlint | uh, what are you trying to do? |
| 11:25.34 | Zorkman | ieatlint: the gps never works with navit, I want to try and see if it recieves information at all |
| 11:25.40 | Zorkman | (al other gps apps work fine) |
| 11:29.07 | Zorkman | anyone else know how to read the GPS date in through ssh? |
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| 11:29.29 | ieatlint | are you using gpsd? |
| 11:30.27 | ieatlint | your stty setting manages to screw up the tty seemingly |
| 11:30.49 | ieatlint | the simplest way to get ssh, is to just cat the tty and grep for 2008 |
| 11:30.56 | ieatlint | if it has the date, you'll see the lines with it |
| 11:31.06 | ieatlint | err, to get time in ssh |
| 11:32.25 | lindi- | ieatlint: ssh is binary clean if you execute remote command, should work? |
| 11:32.28 | ieatlint | nm, it wasn't your stty setting... thought it seemed innocuous |
| 11:32.55 | ieatlint | lindi-, sorry, mind rephrasing that? |
| 11:33.20 | kd8ikt | hey whats responsible for swaping alsa states? |
| 11:33.26 | lindi- | ieatlint: that "ssh host cmd" won't involve any ttys on remote side |
| 11:33.27 | ieatlint | fso seems to screw with the tty, since it worked until it was fully started |
| 11:33.33 | lindi- | kd8ikt: alsactl |
| 11:33.42 | lindi- | kd8ikt: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 11:33.47 | ieatlint | lindi-, it'll still have a tty, just no environment |
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| 11:34.48 | rwhitby | is still trying to work out how to reboot a gta02 running fso/zhone ... |
| 11:34.50 | lindi- | ieatlint: 'ssh phoenix sleep 5555' and sleep does not have a tty. $ ps -eo tty,cmd | grep sleep |
| 11:34.53 | lindi- | ? sleep 5555 |
| 11:35.08 | ieatlint | hmmm |
| 11:35.18 | ieatlint | indeed it would appear i am wrong |
| 11:35.18 | lindi- | ieatlint: it's stdin,stdout,stderr are connected to socket:[383247] |
| 11:35.25 | lindi- | ieatlint: and not /dev/pts/something |
| 11:35.35 | ieatlint | i'm surprised to see it running in ssh |
| 11:35.38 | ieatlint | i just did the same thing |
| 11:35.53 | ieatlint | "sh -c sleep 100" is executed by sshd |
| 11:36.00 | lindi- | yep |
| 11:36.09 | lindi- | so this way ssh is 8-bit clean |
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| 11:36.49 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: ssh root@phone shutdown -t 0 now |
| 11:37.01 | lindi- | 'aplay sound1.wav' seems to hang. strace ends with poll( |
| 11:37.20 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: add "User root" to .ssh/config and you don't need to type so much :) |
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| 11:38.40 | Zorkman | when I cat /dev/ttySAC1 I can see I have a fix, but navit reports 0/0 satellites... any hints? |
| 11:38.59 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: what does navit read from? |
| 11:39.10 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: you mean you get 'filled in' data? |
| 11:39.14 | ecraven | Zorkman: where did you find binaries for navit? |
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| 11:39.37 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: usb connection is busy flashing the other gta |
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| 11:40.38 | Zorkman | SpeedEvil: I get filled in data yes, and in Aagpsui, tand tangogps i get instant fix |
| 11:40.45 | Zorkman | (when running the asu also in diversity) |
| 11:42.16 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 11:42.40 | Zorkman | ecraven: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit |
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| 11:43.09 | kd8ikt | jesus lindi- you think i dont know that, what i was getting at is a daemon that triggers alsactl restore on certian evens like gsm calls and swtiching back |
| 11:43.44 | lindi- | kd8ikt: ah |
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| 11:44.11 | Agrajag- | Zorkman: are you running gpsd or trying to get navit to read from teh device directly? |
| 11:44.38 | ecraven | Zorkman: thanks :) |
| 11:44.40 | Zorkman | gpsd is on my device, i don't know if it is running though |
| 11:44.57 | Stroller | rwhitby: you mentioned FSO earlier - have you tried it? Or are you developing it? |
| 11:45.16 | Agrajag- | Zorkman: hmm well if navit is configured to connect to gpsd, make sure it's running |
| 11:45.18 | Zorkman | Agrajag-: but when I use tangogPS it also uses gpsd, and tangogps gets a fix |
| 11:46.06 | Zorkman | Agrajag-: how do I do that? I can't find it on the wiki |
| 11:46.20 | SpeedEvil | Agrajag-: where did you get navit? |
| 11:46.48 | Agrajag- | i haven't got a freerunner, i've just used both navit and tangogps on an eeepc |
| 11:47.08 | rwhitby | Stroller: I've been running it a bit |
| 11:47.21 | Agrajag- | Zorkman: the wiki page does say to start gpsd though, so i'd try it that way first |
| 11:47.31 | ecraven | Zorkman: alessandro's server doesn't work from here ;( could you upload the ipkg anywhere? |
| 11:47.41 | rwhitby | Stroller: on those rare occasions that my GTA02 decides to boot |
| 11:47.47 | Stroller | rwhitby: my apologies - I was thinking of SHR. I just came back to my PC & saw your comments from an hour ago. |
| 11:47.50 | Zorkman | ecraven: i worked for me by simpply opkg install navit |
| 11:48.00 | Zorkman | (could be that it was on the rabenfrost feeds) |
| 11:48.14 | rwhitby | Stroller: no, haven't done anything on shr yet |
| 11:48.32 | rwhitby | Once there's something to build and I have some time I'll add it to MokoMakefile |
| 11:48.34 | Stroller | SHR really excites me |
| 11:50.12 | Zorkman | ecraven: if the ipkg's are stored womewhere on the freerunner i can upload it |
| 11:50.18 | ieatlint | Stroller, that's hot |
| 11:51.13 | Zorkman | ecraven: but when i opkg list | grep I still get results |
| 11:51.24 | ecraven | Zorkman: they probably are, i'm just looking at rabenfrost right now |
| 11:51.43 | ecraven | as i have debian installed, i don't have opkg :) |
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| 11:54.32 | bumbl | ecraven: does this link help? http://blog.coldtobi.de/1_coldtobis_blog/archive/125_navit_on_debian.html |
| 11:56.19 | ecraven | bumbl: seems to be for i386 |
| 11:56.41 | Zorkman | ecraven, i have the ipk |
| 11:56.51 | Zorkman | i'll upload |
| 11:56.56 | flexd | ugh i hate spiders :| |
| 11:56.59 | ecraven | great! |
| 11:57.14 | flexd | some kind of jumping spider climbed up my monitor, and then jumped down on my hand by the mouse :| |
| 11:57.20 | flexd | scared the shit out of me |
| 11:57.27 | Zorkman | ecraven: http://www.sendspace.com/file/m1xofk |
| 11:58.02 | Zorkman | navit seems really promissing, you can also use garmin maps |
| 11:58.33 | ecraven | Zorkman: i'll try to get it running with gpsd ;) |
| 11:58.35 | rwhitby | cracks the case on the GTA02 yet again to try and coax it into booting ... |
| 11:58.56 | Zorkman | ecraven: i'm sure you'll do better than me :) |
| 11:59.58 | ecraven | hehe, don't count on it |
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| 12:00.05 | ecraven | the main question is, does it even include support for gpsd |
| 12:01.03 | Zorkman | ecraven: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit seems to hint it does |
| 12:01.18 | rwhitby | flexd: he's after your neo |
| 12:01.40 | DPThough1 | ecraven: it does. But (at least) later verstions have gypsy too |
| 12:01.43 | ecraven | i think it doesn't, it doesn't include libvehicle_gpsd |
| 12:01.44 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: strace -o whatever navit |
| 12:01.51 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: strace -o whatever -e open navit |
| 12:02.06 | SpeedEvil | see what it's trying to open in the way of named pipes or /dev entriesd |
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| 12:02.43 | DPThough1 | alessandros build uses gpsd |
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| 12:02.55 | DPThough1 | have it running here |
| 12:03.31 | ecraven | DPThough1: do you have an ipkg for it? |
| 12:03.36 | Zorkman | SpeedEvil i get these errors: |
| 12:03.43 | Zorkman | Enabling low-mem workaround... |
| 12:03.43 | Zorkman | (<unknown>:2932): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 12:03.58 | alphaone | export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 12:04.00 | Zorkman | DPThough1: how did you do that? It runs here, but never sees any sattelites... |
| 12:04.02 | DPThough1 | ecraven: i used alessandros ipkg feed |
| 12:04.10 | ecraven | DPThough1: that seems to be down ;( |
| 12:04.46 | DPThough1 | ecraven: sorry, i have no copy of the ipkg |
| 12:05.05 | ecraven | did you clean your package cache on the neo? |
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| 12:05.39 | DPThough1 | Zorkman: don't know. Usually i start tangogps and wait for a fix. Because tango has better indicators for the satelite status. Then i start navit and it works fine |
| 12:05.46 | Wolv-X | hello, anybody has problem compiling webkit-gtk on linux host? |
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| 12:06.27 | Zorkman | ecraven, SpeedEvil; in the xml file it states <vehicle name="Meins" enabled="yes" active="1" source="gpsd://localhost" color="#0000ff"/> so it must use gspd |
| 12:06.29 | DPThough1 | Zorkman, ecraven: i could provide you my navit.xml, .desktop file and a stupid little wrapper that sets the LANG environment |
| 12:06.56 | Zorkman | DPThough1: that would be very welcome |
| 12:07.05 | DPThough1 | ecraven: no i probably did not. Where could i find the ipkg then? |
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| 12:08.44 | ecraven | Zorkman: where did you find yours? |
| 12:09.03 | Zorkman | i just did "opkg download navit" |
| 12:09.31 | Zorkman | btw ecraven; it seems it might be able to talk to the serial port directly (http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuring_NavIt) |
| 12:10.07 | ecraven | yes, but it should really work with gpsd |
| 12:10.17 | ecraven | i have to get some maps, it starts, but displays no maps |
| 12:11.39 | Zorkman | yeah, but even without maps it should check the GPS, no? |
| 12:12.31 | ecraven | i have the münchen map, going to fire up gps ;) |
| 12:15.05 | DPThough1 | Zorkman: navit.desktop http://pastebin.com/m3444d276 (Refers to not existing launcher and icon) |
| 12:15.44 | DPThough1 | Zorkman: navit.xml http://pastebin.com/m23316056 (only change i did was to set up speech and point it to my germany.map map file) |
| 12:15.46 | Zorkman | DPThough1: yeah, when i ran ASU I also modified it, now i'm running 2007.2 |
| 12:16.10 | DPThough1 | Zorkman: http://pastebin.com/m3f32793b (stupid launcher) |
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| 12:17.28 | ecraven | what does "PSRF inv format" mean? |
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| 12:17.44 | Zorkman | DPThough1: it's easyer when you add the export LANG thing to your .desktop file |
| 12:18.01 | DPThough1 | But honestly, someone needs to update navit. T |
| 12:18.23 | DPThough1 | Zorkman: true. I was not sure how much shell magic the exec parameter can do |
| 12:18.40 | Zorkman | DPThough1: the opkg version of navit is up to date i think |
| 12:19.03 | DPThough1 | Zorkman: sure? I will check for updates... |
| 12:19.23 | DPThough1 | Zorkman: mine is from january 08 |
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| 12:19.50 | DPThough1 | btw. the opkg feed works fine. Not offile |
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| 12:21.36 | ecraven | can't get a fix atm :( i'll try later, thanks for the ipkg! |
| 12:21.52 | Zorkman | ecraven: check also alongside with tangoGPS |
| 12:22.04 | Zorkman | i get instant fix in tangogps, and in navit always 0/0 |
| 12:22.21 | ecraven | i'm trying with tangogps, no fix :( |
| 12:22.22 | thomasgruebler | hello |
| 12:22.25 | DPThough1 | ecraven: This feed contains navit and works fine. wget -O /etc/ipkg/aiurlano-armv4t-feed.conf http://aiurlano.netsons.org/aiurlano-armv4t-feed.conf.txt |
| 12:22.46 | ecraven | i want a hardware patch for the sd/gps problem :( |
| 12:23.23 | DPThough1 | Zorkman: just checked. It is still only version 0.0.4+cvs20080129-r3 |
| 12:23.27 | ecraven | DPThough1: i get "can't establish a connection to hosting.netsons.org" |
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| 12:23.47 | Blackhorn | hi |
| 12:23.54 | Zorkman | hi |
| 12:24.03 | thomasgruebler | my freerunner alsways turns off after some seconds. it also when i boot in uboot |
| 12:24.49 | DPThough1 | ecraven: strange, works for me. |
| 12:25.01 | Zorkman | ecraven: i can also download the conf file |
| 12:25.27 | ecraven | i can get the conf file, but i can't access the actual feed |
| 12:25.49 | weatherhead | whenever I try to install anything with opkg, I get "an error occurred return value 2" |
| 12:25.50 | ecraven | has anyone implemented a script that sets the time and position for agps? without having to convert long/lat to gps coordinates? |
| 12:25.52 | DPThough1 | dns problems? |
| 12:26.03 | weatherhead | which apparently means bad config file? |
| 12:26.06 | ecraven | yay, fix :) |
| 12:26.19 | Zorkman | in navit?? |
| 12:26.53 | ecraven | no |
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| 12:27.06 | ecraven | i am quite sure the navit ipkg you have does not include the gpsd module |
| 12:27.14 | DPThough1 | if someone wants my germany map file. Please ask, i will upload it. only 72Mb. downloading anc converting osm maps is more to fetch |
| 12:27.27 | ecraven | DPThough1: can you look in /usr/lib/navit/vehicle/ whether you have libvehicle_gpsd* ? |
| 12:27.43 | DPThough1 | ecraven: yes, i have |
| 12:27.49 | ecraven | could you upload that somewhere? |
| 12:28.03 | DPThough1 | ecraven: and there was afik never any other buiild than this one. |
| 12:28.13 | pabs3 | anyone know how to delete a POI in tangoGPS? |
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| 12:28.47 | ecraven | DPThough1: i don't have it, the ipkg that Zorkman has doesn't include it |
| 12:29.06 | DPThough1 | that must come from another source. interesting |
| 12:29.17 | Zorkman | i'll install it |
| 12:29.52 | ecraven | where's the package cache? /var/cache/opkg? |
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| 12:31.28 | DPThough1 | ecraven: i;m not even sure there is one |
| 12:31.33 | rwhitby | ecraven: there is no package cache on most embedded devices |
| 12:31.47 | DPThough1 | ecraven: opkg seems to directly download and unpack things |
| 12:31.47 | ecraven | ok, then no luck with finding that ipkg ;( |
| 12:31.58 | ecraven | DPThough1: could you upload that libvehicle_gpsd anywhere? |
| 12:32.11 | Zorkman | ecraven, i can give you the' right ipk |
| 12:32.19 | ecraven | Zorkman: oh, you have another one? |
| 12:32.20 | DPThough1 | ecraven: i can upload the ipkg file i fetched with opkg download navit if you like |
| 12:32.25 | ecraven | yes, please |
| 12:32.28 | Zorkman | but i get |
| 12:32.32 | Zorkman | root@om-gta02:/etc/opkg# opkg install navit - 0.0.4+cvs20080129-r3 |
| 12:32.32 | Zorkman | Installing navit (0.0.4+cvs20080129-r3) to root... |
| 12:32.32 | Zorkman | Downloading http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/ipk/armv4t/navit_0.0.4+cvs20080129-r3_armv4t.ipk |
| 12:32.32 | Zorkman | Configuring navit |
| 12:32.33 | Zorkman | Collected errors: |
| 12:32.33 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:33.14 | Zorkman | is that bad? |
| 12:33.45 | rwhitby | Zorkman: leave off everything including and after the '-' |
| 12:33.53 | DPThough1 | ecraven: http://www.tilman.baumann.name/navit_0.0.4+cvs20080129-r3_armv4t.ipk?language=en&backToDocuments=1 |
| 12:34.13 | DPThough1 | ecraven: skip the get parameters ;) |
| 12:34.48 | ecraven | thanks! never knew there was a .name.. :) |
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| 12:35.40 | bumbl | does anyone know if there is an estimated date when the august software update will be released |
| 12:35.45 | Zorkman | ecraven: you still need that ipk? |
| 12:35.46 | DPThough1 | ecraven: nice concept these name domains. You buy 3rd level domains. But you get a mail forward over their MX with firstname@lastname.name |
| 12:35.53 | Zorkman | bumbl: august 8 |
| 12:36.04 | weatherhead | it's not going to be anywhere near working by then |
| 12:36.14 | weatherhead | if what I installed yesterday is anything to go by |
| 12:36.15 | rwhitby | DPThough1: I got full DNS control of whitby.name |
| 12:36.52 | weatherhead | guys, last night I plugged in the headset and was very pleased at how the speaker sound shut off andI got sounds through the headst.... but now I can't get it to make sound through the speaker anymore... any ideas? |
| 12:36.56 | DPThough1 | rwhitby: yea, they lost control at some point and let resellers take 2nd level domains. Stupid asholes. :) |
| 12:36.56 | rwhitby | it used to be third level only, but then they opened up second level |
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| 12:37.06 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a cheap carrier in germany which provides data traffic for less than fucking 24ct/MB?! |
| 12:37.12 | bumbl | Zorkman: thank you |
| 12:37.18 | HardDisk_WP | that's ridiculously expensive |
| 12:37.40 | rwhitby | 24ct/MB! That's ridiculously cheap by Australian standards. |
| 12:37.49 | SpeedEvil | I pay more than that. |
| 12:37.51 | ecraven | Zorkman: thanks, no, DPThough1's has the module |
| 12:37.53 | weatherhead | cheap by most UK standards as well |
| 12:37.55 | SpeedEvil | But it's capped at a pound a day. |
| 12:37.56 | rwhitby | Try $5 per MB here |
| 12:38.06 | ecraven | unfortunately my version of libgps is newer, so it doesn't seem to work |
| 12:38.33 | DPThough1 | rwhitby: plan was that i could have foo.whitby.name. They fucked that up big times |
| 12:38.34 | HardDisk_WP | lol thats cheap |
| 12:38.38 | HardDisk_WP | eh expensive |
| 12:38.41 | *** part/#openmoko fuzzyt (n=tim@70.59.221.233) |
| 12:38.42 | HardDisk_WP | shit...5$/mb |
| 12:38.52 | ieatlint | you guys get really screwed on mobile phone prices |
| 12:39.01 | HardDisk_WP | i mean, i'm used to cheap DSL flat^^ |
| 12:39.04 | rwhitby | DPThough1: agreed, but I got the whole domain anyway so I don't have to pay extra for the kids in the future :-) |
| 12:39.51 | rwhitby | People always wonder why I'm so keen on offline IMAP and bluetooth access points for my Treo650 , until they hear about GPRS prices here ... |
| 12:39.57 | DPThough1 | rwhitby: yea, you got what you could get. :) |
| 12:40.16 | ieatlint | i pay $20/mo for unlimited data (with a real, routable IP -- and they approve me tethering to a laptop), which includes access to tmobile hotspots and every hotspot in a starbucks in the US |
| 12:40.31 | Zorkman | ecraven: -force-downgrade maybe? |
| 12:40.31 | Tm_T | rwhitby: 9 €/month |
| 12:40.43 | ecraven | Zorkman: i'll try to build navit myself :-/ |
| 12:41.13 | torindel | yawns |
| 12:41.15 | DPThough1 | ecraven: probably the best idea anyways. January is a long time ago. :) |
| 12:41.29 | rwhitby | alphaone: have you tried the latest fso images from your site? I'm getting enlightenment segfaults. |
| 12:41.38 | ecraven | DPThough1: yes. we'll see how it goes ;) |
| 12:41.46 | mnagy | is there a way to automatically shutdown the phone when the battery power reaches a critically low value? |
| 12:41.48 | ieatlint | your providers are just profiteering... |
| 12:42.00 | Zorkman | mnagy: they're planning to add that in the future |
| 12:42.02 | alphaone | rwhitby: which ones are you using? |
| 12:42.33 | rwhitby | openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080731-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary and uImage-2.6.24+gitr61+7a1370a816b9348dd8f36a667905dd3533cefc9b-r4-om-gta02.bin |
| 12:42.39 | alphaone | rwhitby: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080801-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary should work |
| 12:42.50 | alphaone | rwhitby: Oh, really? |
| 12:42.55 | mnagy | Zorkman: great, any ETA on that? :) |
| 12:42.55 | rwhitby | ah, a new one in the last hours? |
| 12:42.56 | alphaone | wait, let me check |
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| 12:43.32 | rwhitby | alphaone: BTW, thx for having images up while buildhost is down and I'm waiting for my own builds to complete :-) |
| 12:44.35 | alphaone | rwhitby: No problem :-) |
| 12:45.03 | Zorkman | DPThough1: i had no desktop file and now i used yours, but i get no icon and it doesn't launch |
| 12:45.10 | rwhitby | alphaone: tell me you use the MokoMakefile, so I'll feel that we're scratching each other's back ... |
| 12:45.14 | alphaone | The illume / e segfaults should be solved now with a new efl version |
| 12:45.17 | Zorkman | mnagy: no idea |
| 12:45.37 | alphaone | rwhitby: Sorry, no luck :-) |
| 12:45.55 | alphaone | But I used it in the beginning to get everything setup |
| 12:46.17 | rwhitby | alphaone: do you have a u-boot with Andy's latest insane usb spam fixes? |
| 12:46.26 | alphaone | nope |
| 12:46.28 | DPThough1 | Zorkman: the icon is missing. i used the navit icon from the website and shrinked it |
| 12:46.39 | DPThough1 | Zorkman: and exec refers to my launcher |
| 12:46.48 | Zorkman | k |
| 12:47.13 | alphaone | rwhitby: Does that: u-boot-openmoko-1.3.1+gitr4+ba029a1426bfca169572bf80d50a8b190a6b0e19 include the insane usb spam fixes? |
| 12:47.16 | alphaone | Building that now |
| 12:48.23 | rwhitby | alphaone: doesn't look like it: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=u-boot.git;a=commit;h=c87c058db7890d09f2429758de716bc7c0b71b6f |
| 12:48.43 | ecraven | insane usb spam? |
| 12:49.39 | alphaone | http://git.openmoko.org/?p=u-boot.git&a=search&h=c87c058db7890d09f2429758de716bc7c0b71b6f&st=commit&s=ba029a1426bfca169572bf80d50a8b190a6b0e19 |
| 12:49.54 | alphaone | Seems to be in there |
| 12:50.03 | alphaone | Different tree |
| 12:50.09 | rwhitby | ah, cool. |
| 12:50.20 | rwhitby | ecraven: see the kernel list |
| 12:50.27 | alphaone | wait, no |
| 12:51.17 | rwhitby | ecraven: apparently it's the cause of the gta's not enumerating properly when usb is plugged in |
| 12:52.07 | ecraven | in host mode? |
| 12:52.50 | rwhitby | no, device mode |
| 12:53.04 | alphaone | okay, I u-boot-openmoko-devel has it |
| 12:53.04 | ecraven | hm. i think i never had problems with this |
| 12:53.52 | weatherhead | why are a load of packages missing from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/? |
| 12:54.15 | weatherhead | I'm trying to install ntpclient |
| 12:55.23 | alphaone | rwhitby: Okay, testing the 0801 image now |
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| 12:55.52 | rwhitby | weatherhead: the whole of buildhost/daily has been deleted |
| 12:56.01 | Blackhorn | yes .. sniif |
| 12:56.25 | rwhitby | My understanding is that it's payback for all the bad-mouthing of openmoko staff over the last week ;-) |
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| 12:56.45 | weatherhead | rwhitby: so where am I supposed to get packages |
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| 12:57.24 | rwhitby | weatherhead: one word - MokoMakefile ;-) |
| 12:57.39 | weatherhead | that's ridiculous |
| 12:57.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, i cant imagine you giving advice like that ;) |
| 12:58.08 | weatherhead | I just want to write my Qt applications, I don't want to have to spend hours compiling libraries and shiz |
| 12:58.19 | Blackhorn | weatherhead, +1 |
| 12:58.19 | rwhitby | weatherhead: yeah, it is ridiculous. But I don't think any of the community feeds have ntp in them. If you ask alphaone nicely he might build it for you. |
| 12:58.44 | alphaone | weatherhead: Use the toolchain |
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| 12:58.50 | weatherhead | plus it means just about everything in the wiki, which wasn't the most helpful thing in the world at the best of times, is now useless |
| 12:58.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | ntpclient is available |
| 12:58.59 | rwhitby | weatherhead: indeed. |
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| 12:59.10 | weatherhead | Kamping_Kaiser: where cna I get it |
| 12:59.28 | rwhitby | (BTW, I was kidding about the deletion being payback, just in case anyone didn't get the joke ...) |
| 12:59.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | weatherhead, i just typed opkg install ntpclient iirc - as per getting started page |
| 13:00.29 | torindel | rwhitby: the devels didnt too, that why they started to delete backups |
| 13:00.38 | rwhitby | wonders whether to post to the list about the payback conspiracy theory ... |
| 13:00.53 | weatherhead | Kamping_Kaiser: so did I, a few minutes ago, and it doesn't work |
| 13:01.04 | alphaone | rwhitby: Post to community, that's a good bet :-) |
| 13:01.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | weatherhead, could be because the buildd is mia for a few hrs...' |
| 13:01.26 | weatherhead | so if I wait till tomorrow, it might be back? |
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| 13:04.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | iirc another 8 hrs. |
| 13:04.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | either way, i'm off |
| 13:04.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | night all |
| 13:04.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, look forward to seeing you |
| 13:04.31 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: ciao |
| 13:04.50 | alphaone | Kamping_Kaiser: ciao |
| 13:05.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | aloril, later |
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| 13:05.12 | alphaone | rwhitby: the 0801 build works fine for me |
| 13:05.22 | rwhitby | alphaone: me too, thx. |
| 13:05.46 | alphaone | rwhitby: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr5+c87c058db7890d09f2429758de716bc7c0b71b6f-r0.bin |
| 13:05.46 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: I posted it ;-) |
| 13:06.08 | alphaone | Gonna delete the other images now, it's getting too confusing |
| 13:06.43 | rwhitby | alphaone: that one has numpty in it :-) |
| 13:07.10 | alphaone | rwhitby: Yeah, mickey was crazy about it when he saw that :-) |
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| 13:07.22 | alphaone | It cost me a couple of hours already :-) |
| 13:08.36 | Ainulindale | Heh :-) |
| 13:08.47 | Ainulindale | I stopped at the egg basket level, myself |
| 13:09.05 | Ainulindale | I think I may have misunderstood something, couldn't figure what to do |
| 13:09.21 | alphaone | That one was quite tricky, yeah |
| 13:09.22 | varikin | I just got my freerunner and am trying to update, but it fails because the Packages.gz don't exist |
| 13:09.45 | alphaone | the key is that the red thing appears at the start again after it has fallen off the screen |
| 13:09.45 | pabs3 | varikin: see the recent archives of the community list |
| 13:10.12 | Ainulindale | alphaone: that doesn't seem quite helpful |
| 13:10.32 | Ainulindale | alphaone: but then I'm easily bored by this kind of thing :-) |
| 13:11.22 | alphaone | So get the thing to move to the right, then when it has dissolved the one spoon get it to move to the lect |
| 13:11.25 | alphaone | left |
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| 13:12.15 | Ainulindale | oh it can disolve things ?! |
| 13:13.20 | varikin | pabs3: I see some people had this issue in the mailing list, but no solution or reason why |
| 13:13.33 | pabs3 | varikin: correct |
| 13:14.10 | varikin | pabs3: so I am stuck with the stock apps until that is addressed |
| 13:14.34 | pabs3 | or the ones in the community repos: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories |
| 13:15.20 | rwhitby | alphaone: that u-boot boots |
| 13:15.36 | Zorkman | inally navit works :) |
| 13:16.09 | Zorkman | DPThough1: you've gotten garmin maps to work with it? |
| 13:17.30 | alphaone | rwhitby: Good to hear |
| 13:17.48 | alphaone | navit with OSM maps works surprisingly well |
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| 13:19.10 | Ainulindale | alphaone: is it even possible to delete a shape ? |
| 13:19.12 | rwhitby | Does anyone know what the "b G1 w s" letters above the battery bar in Zhone stand for? |
| 13:19.30 | Zorkman | rwhitby: b=bluetooth, G1=gsm, w=wifi, s=gps |
| 13:19.40 | rwhitby | ah, dbus connections? |
| 13:19.41 | Zorkman | capitals=ON, smallcase=OFF |
| 13:20.08 | Ainulindale | rwhitby: no, activation |
| 13:20.11 | alphaone | number=number of programs using that resource |
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| 13:21.30 | rooly | grumbles |
| 13:21.41 | rooly | mofi is acting up |
| 13:21.48 | Zorkman | alphaone: yeah, but OSM are all but complete around here... |
| 13:21.52 | alphaone | what is mofi? |
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| 13:22.06 | rooly | it's a wifi configurator |
| 13:22.12 | alphaone | Zorkman: Sure. I live in germany where coverage is pretty damn good... |
| 13:22.17 | alphaone | rooly: ah, okay |
| 13:22.27 | Ainulindale | alphaone: I was just wondering because as you create a shape to move the goal object, the shape stays there |
| 13:22.41 | Ainulindale | (that's kind of a stupid discussion there :-p) |
| 13:23.05 | alphaone | Ainulindale: Sorry, can you provide more context? |
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| 13:24.52 | Ainulindale | alphaone: on numpty :-) |
| 13:25.01 | alphaone | ah, right |
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| 13:25.04 | alphaone | :-) |
| 13:25.13 | rooly | gotta love the reboot command |
| 13:25.20 | Ainulindale | If you draw an object, for example in the egg basket, and then if your goal object moves, then comes again at the start point |
| 13:25.25 | Ainulindale | How should you move/delete a shape ? |
| 13:25.32 | alphaone | I don't think deleting the a shape is supposed to be possible |
| 13:25.55 | alphaone | Ainulindale: I just had the second shape ontop of the first one |
| 13:26.00 | Ainulindale | Hmmmm so I didn't quite catch how you're supposed to be able to send the ball in one way then in another :-) |
| 13:26.04 | alphaone | with a slope in the opposite direction |
| 13:26.21 | Ainulindale | Hmmm I see |
| 13:26.29 | Ainulindale | You mean a bigger shape, thus moving the little one ? |
| 13:27.13 | alphaone | Ainulindale: No, I solved it by creating a slope first to the right and then to the left |
| 13:27.29 | alphaone | But there probably is more than one solution :-) |
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| 13:28.17 | Ainulindale | alphaone: oh and that's because you paused it a the beginning |
| 13:28.31 | Zorkman | does anyone hava a opkg file for libgarmin? i can't make it on the freerunner |
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| 13:29.37 | Zorkman | and what is the use of kernel-module-garmin-gps? |
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| 13:30.08 | Zorkman | llo AntonTakk |
| 13:30.18 | AntonTakk | hey, hows it goin? |
| 13:31.19 | Zorkman | ecraven: just an idea: if you're still planning on building an up-t-date-version of navit, could you include libgarmin? to read garmin maps http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Garmin_maps |
| 13:31.42 | alphaone | Ainulindale: Right |
| 13:32.29 | rwhitby | Zorkman: that would be to connect to the serial port on a garmin gps |
| 13:33.13 | Zorkman | thx |
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| 13:34.58 | baird | Anyone know the name of the font used for the "openmoko" in the splash screens? |
| 13:37.03 | rwhitby | baird: these guys would know: http://38one.com/work/openmoko |
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| 13:37.22 | rooly | crap... |
| 13:37.27 | rooly | i can't get back into my fr |
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| 13:39.52 | rwhitby | baird: SansaSoft, according to http://people.openmoko.org/sean/files/openmoko_trademark.pdf |
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| 13:45.10 | Zorkman | lol @ mailinglists: |
| 13:45.11 | Zorkman | Someone on IRC said that all the daily builds have been deleted as |
| 13:45.11 | Zorkman | payback for all the badmouthing of Openmoko staff over the last week ... |
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| 13:45.28 | jadams_ | hey, has anyone here used OFT release 2? |
| 13:45.28 | rwhitby | who would have said a thing like that! |
| 13:45.33 | Zorkman | :) |
| 13:45.36 | Zorkman | hi rod |
| 13:45.44 | Zorkman | damn funny |
| 13:45.50 | baird | rwhitby: excellent, thanks. (not so excellent--Sansasoft isn't SIL licensed.. ) |
| 13:46.57 | rwhitby | jadams_: I'm mucking around with FSO right now, as it happens. |
| 13:48.10 | jadams_ | rwhitby, do you have a gta01? |
| 13:48.35 | rwhitby | jadams_: yes, but it's running qtopia at the moment in preparation for a demo tomorrow |
| 13:48.49 | rwhitby | I have run fso on the gta01 a couple of days ago |
| 13:49.01 | jadams_ | rwhitby, what image did you use? The image I got is corrupted or something (just boots to angstrom prompt) |
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| 13:49.16 | jadams_ | from here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ |
| 13:49.21 | rwhitby | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080730-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 13:49.29 | rwhitby | and http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/uImage-2.6.24+gitr0+7a1370a816b9348dd8f36a667905dd3533cefc9b-r4-om-gta01.bin |
| 13:49.49 | jadams_ | I downloaded those twice, and both times it just booted to an angstrom prompt on my gta01 |
| 13:49.58 | jadams_ | I suppose I can try again....whimper |
| 13:50.05 | jadams_ | I also need to install debian on this thing sometime |
| 13:51.08 | rwhitby | jadams: I can give you a md5sum of what I used |
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| 13:51.31 | rwhitby | 46396485018181b93bc0438c7ad9ce9d uImage-2.6.24+gitr0+7a1370a816b9348dd8f36a667905dd3533cefc9b-r4-om-gta01.bin |
| 13:51.54 | rwhitby | b63c77cfcc4fbec62ec7e4a9fc955bee openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080730-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 13:52.25 | rwhitby | it does boot to an Angstrom prompt first, and then loads the UI |
| 13:54.06 | jadams_ | rwhitby, maybe I never waited long enough... |
| 13:55.41 | pabs3 | :D buildhost is back |
| 13:56.04 | rwhitby | mwester_: The System Info app in the Qtopia 4.3.3 image on Trolltech's servers say "Linux Kernel, Version 2.6.24, Compiled by: (mwester@blocks)" ;-) Didn;t know you worked for Trolltech now ... |
| 13:56.59 | rwhitby | pabs3: not quite - only u-boot and kernel there so far, no rootfs. Must be still building. |
| 13:57.37 | pabs3 | hmm, true |
| 13:57.52 | pabs3 | looking for pygtk still |
| 13:59.00 | Zorkman | rwitby: havent seen a rootfs file lately, looked like they weren't building it |
| 13:59.34 | Zorkman | pab3: |
| 13:59.43 | Zorkman | opkg install python-pygtk |
| 14:01.12 | XorA | Zorkman: yes its still building |
| 14:01.12 | pabs3 | doesn't work cus buildhost isn't fully fixed |
| 14:01.24 | XorA | buildhost isnt broken, its rebuilding |
| 14:01.49 | mw| | the days that hasn't got rootfs files, is that due to build stopping due to compile-problems then? |
| 14:02.05 | XorA | yes, if there is no rootfs, it broke that day |
| 14:02.38 | pabs3 | XorA: shouldn't the daily-feed directory only be updated once everything is built? |
| 14:03.18 | XorA | pabs3: we run out of diskspace doing that |
| 14:03.18 | pabs3 | ah :( |
| 14:03.20 | XorA | pabs3: buildhost was never really intended to feed out feeds |
| 14:03.20 | rwhitby | XorA: so it wasn't payback? ;-) |
| 14:04.17 | XorA | rwhitby: why what did you do that requires revenge :-D |
| 14:04.48 | rwhitby | XorA: Someone on IRC said that all the daily builds have been deleted as |
| 14:04.48 | rwhitby | payback for all the badmouthing of Openmoko staff over the last week ... |
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| 14:05.17 | ecraven | ok, i have *none* of the libraries required for navit, may take some time to hunt them down |
| 14:05.31 | XorA | rwhitby: no, there was an all package change checked in to fix SDK issues and there is a really wierd build problem I just cant repeat here |
| 14:05.53 | rwhitby | XorA: that's just such a boring reason ... |
| 14:06.18 | XorA | no images built last night due to the problem anyway |
| 14:06.22 | rwhitby | How do you expect us to whip up a flamewar with that reason? |
| 14:06.35 | XorA | well you could always not beleive me :-D |
| 14:06.47 | rwhitby | aha! it's a cover-up! |
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| 14:10.17 | jopk | when will the repositority be available for opkg again? |
| 14:10.27 | XorA | late tonight GMT |
| 14:10.53 | jopk | thx |
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| 14:11.14 | XorA | I forgot daily-feed and daily/ are no longer an rsync mirror |
| 14:11.19 | XorA | due to disk space problems |
| 14:11.52 | XorA | NOTE: Running task 1173 of 5359 |
| 14:12.11 | mw| | XorA: I notice that http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily seems to be wiped.. does it wipe every 1st of each month? |
| 14:12.35 | XorA | mw|: read up |
| 14:13.00 | phrozen77__ | i just wonder - what steps are needed to get proper suspend and resume? |
| 14:13.25 | flexd | a thing i was wondering on |
| 14:13.29 | flexd | s/on/about |
| 14:13.39 | ecraven | how do i debug resume? i can suspend with apm -s, but then nothing i do gets a resume.. |
| 14:13.47 | flexd | the standard image that comes on the FR seems to be able to suspend okay, and it doesnt wake up randomly |
| 14:13.52 | flexd | why does later images do that? :/ |
| 14:14.44 | AntonTakk | flexd: insomnia |
| 14:18.29 | flexd | AntonTakk: hehehe.. |
| 14:20.33 | rooly | when do they finish the build during the day? |
| 14:21.01 | jadams_ | rwhitby, how long does the angstrom prompt stay up first boot? Mine's been up for four minutes |
| 14:21.21 | jadams_ | I also get a couple of errors about inodes |
| 14:21.22 | rwhitby | jadams_: I don't remember it being that long ... |
| 14:21.28 | jadams_ | and there's a line that says dbus didn't start, basically |
| 14:21.32 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4574 10/trunk/src/target/ (29 files in 2 dirs): move icons to icons |
| 14:21.45 | jadams_ | failed to open /etc/dbus-1/system.conf - no such file or directory |
| 14:21.51 | jadams_ | given the dbus-centric nature of zhone... |
| 14:21.53 | rwhitby | do you have an updated u-boot which erases the rootfs first? |
| 14:22.00 | jadams_ | ahh! |
| 14:22.00 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6398a782bbf9 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): update efl and illume to match to have default configs as test src and |
| 14:22.00 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * raa7775d3bfa3 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 14:22.04 | jadams_ | it's been so long since I flashed |
| 14:22.06 | jadams_ | thanks, I don't |
| 14:22.11 | jadams_ | should I update the uboot? |
| 14:22.16 | jadams_ | or just erase NAND myself? |
| 14:22.23 | rwhitby | do you have a debug board handy> |
| 14:22.25 | rwhitby | ? |
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| 14:23.52 | Prezu | I've noticed, that backup_download_dir in qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env points to http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ However, when using qtopia build from there (which is downloaded by qemu-neo1973/openmoko/download.sh is broken(?) |
| 14:24.27 | Prezu | After starting an emulator, there are four icons in the bottom. But they don't work. Why is that? |
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| 14:25.36 | jadams_ | rwhitby, (a) I have a debug board, and (b) already cu'd in to erase and am reflashing. Thanks tons |
| 14:26.02 | rwhitby | jadams_: if you have a debug board, then you should update uboot |
| 14:26.19 | rwhitby | (you don't need the board unless you stuff it up_ |
| 14:26.39 | jadams_ | rwhitby, I will shortly, I just want to see zhone :) |
| 14:26.57 | jadams_ | and yeah, I've never done anything that needed JTAG but got the debug board so I could |
| 14:27.29 | Zorkman | Prezu: thats because that is a topia image |
| 14:27.57 | Zorkman | somebody made a good page which explained whot needed to be done.... not on the wiki though... will try to find it for you |
| 14:29.45 | Zorkman | Prezu: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/blog/posts/openmoko_emulation.html |
| 14:30.29 | DPThough1 | Zorkman: no, i have not tried garmin maps. But i had success with OSM. And i have some european map&guide maps here, but not enough space on SD. |
| 14:31.11 | rooly | clear |
| 14:31.16 | rooly | kk |
| 14:31.31 | rooly | so, does anyone know when the daily build finishes? |
| 14:31.37 | ecraven | does qemu emulate gta01 or gta02? |
| 14:32.02 | Zorkman | ecraven: only gta01 |
| 14:32.18 | ecraven | :( |
| 14:32.36 | Prezu | Zorkman: Thanks. :) |
| 14:32.46 | Prezu | So it's not ASU? |
| 14:33.03 | Zorkman | no, it's qtopia AFAIK |
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| 14:34.15 | Zorkman | ok, thanks DPThough1; Belgium is only 20MB I think and OSM has very little data from my area (I try to add some, but those are roads i alredy know and won't need :)) |
| 14:34.43 | ecraven | does osm offer packaged .osm files for countries? |
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| 14:37.41 | Zorkman | don't know ecraven, i'll look into it, there are scripts however to download a rectrangle from the map |
| 14:38.40 | ecraven | i'll have a look later ;) i have planet.bin anyway |
| 14:38.42 | Zorkman | ecraven: http://downloads.cloudmade.com/ |
| 14:39.30 | Zorkman | netherlands: 52MB, belgium: 8.27 :( |
| 14:41.08 | Zorkman | ecraven: http://emexes.powweb.com/osm/download.html there are routbale |
| 14:41.12 | Zorkman | *routable |
| 14:41.13 | ecraven | austria 21 ;) |
| 14:42.04 | ecraven | Zorkman: though i'd need libgarmin for that |
| 14:42.13 | ecraven | debian has no libgarmin, i think :( |
| 14:42.39 | Zorkman | ecraven: http://frost.de/debian/ |
| 14:43.16 | ecraven | i'll try later, those are i386 |
| 14:43.23 | Zorkman | ah, sorry |
| 14:43.29 | ecraven | hehe, not your fault |
| 14:43.34 | ecraven | but i'll give it a try later |
| 14:43.40 | ecraven | i should learn how to build debian packages anyway |
| 14:46.15 | ecraven | hm.. seems to work ;) |
| 14:47.05 | Zorkman | great |
| 14:47.06 | Tm_T | repositories broken atm |
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| 14:47.42 | ecraven | Zorkman: though it keeps redrawing, the map keeps flashing.. something is wrong there |
| 14:47.47 | ecraven | might be Xfbdev though |
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| 14:53.37 | ecraven | nice :) looking good |
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| 14:55.12 | rooly | damnit |
| 14:55.18 | Zorkman | i don't know what the hell you are doing, but i believe in you :) |
| 14:55.21 | rooly | when do the daily builds finish! |
| 14:55.30 | rooly | it won't let me install gcc-symlinks |
| 14:55.43 | pabs3 | <XorA> late tonight GMT |
| 14:55.44 | rooly | or update for that matter |
| 14:55.51 | rooly | ok |
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| 15:00.12 | mnagy | could someone help me with a sound issue? the sound frequently stops working, I tried restarting pulsaudio but it didn't help |
| 15:00.29 | rooly | mnagy, plug the headphones in and remove them |
| 15:00.33 | rooly | should restart it |
| 15:00.35 | rooly | works every time for me |
| 15:00.41 | mnagy | eh, I don't have headphones |
| 15:00.48 | rooly | any will do |
| 15:01.09 | mnagy | I don't have any with such a small hole |
| 15:01.13 | mnagy | err |
| 15:01.21 | mnagy | with such a small jack |
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| 15:01.44 | mnagy | and I would like to find out why is it crashing |
| 15:02.06 | rooly | i think it's the "unstable software" part |
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| 15:03.02 | rooly | personally, i'm waiting for the daily build to finish so's i can do some work |
| 15:03.04 | mnagy | I'd guess that as well, but I'm wondering what piece crashes |
| 15:03.31 | mnagy | I'll try to find out how that works, just got my openmoko yesterday :) |
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| 15:08.15 | mnagy | hm, somehow, media player works, but I don't hear the sound of taping |
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| 15:09.07 | Chox | FR ftw! |
| 15:09.23 | rooly | Chox, agreed |
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| 15:11.49 | Chox | Friday yet? |
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| 15:15.26 | lindi- | mnagy: 2007.2? |
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| 15:15.50 | mnagy | lindi-: I guess |
| 15:15.52 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4575 10/trunk/src/target/icons/development_gpe-scap.png: Add an icon for gpe-scap |
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| 15:36.11 | flexd|gruu | trac.openmoko.org is down? |
| 15:37.01 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r5fba5c8f6e6d 10/framework/controller.py: controller.py: Be honest about the busname that we failed to claim |
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| 15:48.22 | railer | so they fix the upgrade yet? |
| 15:51.35 | Chox | ftw ftw! |
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| 15:52.08 | railer | wtf? |
| 15:52.17 | Chox | no, backwards. |
| 15:52.22 | break_free | so I tried out FSO but couldn't make any calls. Also couldn't figure out if it was registering or what... I didn't see any indication of signal strength or network connection |
| 15:52.33 | Chox | FSO II? |
| 15:52.48 | break_free | i believe so... |
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| 16:00.10 | smhar | can I install OM system images(s) on an emulator in my debian system? |
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| 16:01.26 | bumbl | smhar: yes there is a special qemu version |
| 16:02.31 | smhar | great, although I never used qemu before, but I will install it for sure |
| 16:03.21 | smhar | can I use the latest qtopia with qemu? |
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| 16:07.33 | pabs3 | is there a way to add an ical feed to the dates thing? |
| 16:07.53 | mmaestri | hi |
| 16:08.02 | mmaestri | anyone using fso m2 right now? |
| 16:08.20 | mmaestri | having the broken opkg? |
| 16:10.34 | Chox | heh |
| 16:10.48 | mmaestri | Chox: :p |
| 16:11.07 | Chox | I put in an opkg lib from GTK. opkg upgrade worked, but broke stuff |
| 16:11.49 | mmaestri | Chox: have you tried to build opkg revision 4566? |
| 16:11.58 | Chox | no |
| 16:12.22 | mmaestri | the bugtracker says that this revision fixes it |
| 16:12.24 | Chox | point is, opkg upgrade probably isn't what you want |
| 16:13.22 | mmaestri | actually, i want it working because it has to work |
| 16:13.42 | Chox | well yes, but what were you hoping to upgrade? |
| 16:13.50 | weatherhead | help my multitap keyboard has gone crazy, if I press a key twice it just puts in loads of the same letters |
| 16:13.53 | weatherhead | anyone got any ideas? |
| 16:14.16 | mmaestri | Chox: packages that do not depend on fso but had been upgraded |
| 16:14.45 | Chox | well, as I said. it you upgrade everything, it breaks stuff. applications no longer launch |
| 16:14.54 | Chox | didn't investigate further |
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| 16:18.07 | railer | she be broken.... |
| 16:19.02 | flexd|gruu | hum |
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| 16:19.23 | tkep | any ideas on why my updates aren't working? |
| 16:19.25 | tkep | :( |
| 16:19.38 | flexd|gruu | something i noticed with the matchbox-keyboard (not multitap), when i flipped the screen with xrandr the keys are all wrong :/ (e.g i press pagedown and backspace) |
| 16:20.14 | railer | MY first guess someone f@@@ed with it, and broke it. |
| 16:20.28 | tkep | i can ping google |
| 16:20.39 | tkep | and i can go to sites |
| 16:20.42 | tkep | but opkg update |
| 16:20.47 | Chox | railer: likely story. |
| 16:21.00 | Chox | opkg update is bust on FSO II. end of story. |
| 16:21.14 | Chox | and even if you make it work, it busts stuff. |
| 16:21.22 | Chox | my advice - wait for FSO III |
| 16:21.34 | railer | qtopia as well |
| 16:21.43 | Chox | yessir. |
| 16:21.46 | tkep | Chox, i'm in om2007.2 |
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| 16:21.51 | bumbl | tkep: there is a thread on the community mailinglist; for fso: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/ipk/ |
| 16:21.57 | Chox | tkep: ah well. another issue. |
| 16:22.01 | railer | upgrade reboot = usb gone, |
| 16:22.11 | Chox | roll back yer kernel |
| 16:22.16 | railer | is 2007.2 still working? |
| 16:23.38 | railer | CHox can you upgrade 2007.2 safely? |
| 16:23.41 | tkep | *sigh* |
| 16:23.53 | Chox | I don't know. not tried in a week. |
| 16:24.13 | Chox | welcome to the bleeding edge! |
| 16:24.29 | railer | the Openmoko FR as now know as the Openmoko WTF! |
| 16:24.30 | flexd|gruu | railer: No |
| 16:24.48 | railer | k |
| 16:24.49 | flexd|gruu | Upgrading with opkg seems to break the phone |
| 16:24.49 | Chox | laffs. |
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| 16:24.56 | flexd|gruu | atleast it did for me a few weeks ago |
| 16:24.58 | weatherhead | absolutely everything seems to be broken today |
| 16:25.12 | Chox | it's Friday. do something else ;-) |
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| 16:25.24 | weatherhead | lol I'm going out in an hour or so |
| 16:25.31 | weatherhead | this keyboard thing is really bugging me though |
| 16:25.57 | weatherhead | the only thing I altered was /etc/multitap-pad/im-multipress.conf |
| 16:26.02 | weatherhead | and now I've changed it back again |
| 16:26.03 | tkep | railer, what do you mean it's just the openmoko? |
| 16:26.05 | weatherhead | it's still not working |
| 16:26.50 | railer | tkep: what did I say? |
| 16:27.06 | tkep | oh |
| 16:27.09 | tkep | i misread it |
| 16:27.14 | rooly | woo hoo |
| 16:27.17 | Zorkman | lol |
| 16:27.17 | tkep | :) i thought they had changed the name for some reason |
| 16:27.20 | rooly | almost done porting irrlicht to the openmoko |
| 16:27.22 | tkep | sorry, it'sbeen a long week |
| 16:27.41 | Chox | long wiki week |
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| 16:28.48 | railer | Welcome to the OpenMoko WTF, Good Luck Bitch! |
| 16:29.03 | xeros | rooly: you mean this?: http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:29.25 | rooly | i do |
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| 16:29.40 | Chox | OM FTW, WTF, GLB! |
| 16:29.43 | Chox | BBQ |
| 16:29.52 | Chox | And where's Dave? |
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| 16:29.59 | Chox | thew \o/ |
| 16:30.01 | xeros | rooly: is freerunner capable of running opengl already? |
| 16:30.07 | Zorkman | can the freerunner run it? with the current state of glamo? |
| 16:30.24 | rooly | well, i don't know Zorkman and xeros |
| 16:30.31 | rooly | but it has a software renderer |
| 16:30.38 | rooly | so that's not really an issue |
| 16:30.39 | Chox | aye, it'll work, might not be pretty |
| 16:30.45 | rooly | but it'll work |
| 16:30.49 | rooly | and THAT is the point |
| 16:30.59 | rooly | oh, btw, there's a mesa ogl renderer in the repo's |
| 16:31.35 | kuzgun | anybody here who made a recipe for an application which uses WAF build system? |
| 16:32.01 | railer | Chox: Daves not here I blame him! |
| 16:32.07 | xeros | rooly: that's great news! |
| 16:32.09 | Chox | how many Daves? |
| 16:32.21 | rooly | so |
| 16:32.44 | rooly | if all my stuff compiled, i'll have a 3d engine running on the FR in the next few minutes |
| 16:32.49 | rooly | if not, it'll be tomorrow |
| 16:32.53 | Chox | Doom! |
| 16:32.59 | Chox | although that's more like 2.5D |
| 16:33.08 | rooly | more like quake2 |
| 16:33.20 | Chox | Quake2 FTW |
| 16:33.32 | rooly | quake2 on the fr ftw |
| 16:33.47 | Chox | Has to be Wolfenstein |
| 16:33.53 | pabs3 | neverball! |
| 16:34.03 | Chox | neverputt! |
| 16:34.09 | rooly | i think i know the guy that made neverball |
| 16:34.19 | rooly | aww |
| 16:34.21 | rooly | that sucks so much |
| 16:34.54 | Chox | anyway, if SDL works properly, there's literally hundreds of 2D games that'd work great |
| 16:34.55 | railer | I vote wolfenstein 2D! |
| 16:35.05 | Chox | although keyboard input is an issue |
| 16:35.21 | rooly | just get the accelerometers working |
| 16:35.23 | rooly | and then it's not |
| 16:35.29 | Chox | for a platformer? ;-) |
| 16:35.32 | Chox | suppose. |
| 16:35.33 | rooly | yeah |
| 16:35.34 | pabs3 | anyone know where a pkg for gpe-calendar might be? |
| 16:35.46 | tuXXX | like... every game running on GP2X may run if SDL is working well |
| 16:35.52 | Wonka | wants Indy and the Quest for the Holy Grail! |
| 16:35.56 | rooly | tilt it forward to walk, side to strafe, forward-side to turn |
| 16:36.02 | Chox | I want to see you do a shift-jump-fire in SuperTux with the FR's accelerometers ;-) |
| 16:36.07 | rooly | lol |
| 16:36.17 | Chox | in public. |
| 16:36.26 | Chox | If people don't look at you funny, they will now. |
| 16:36.27 | rooly | how bout a usb controller |
| 16:36.39 | Chox | yes, sure. there must be time small ones. |
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| 16:37.01 | Chox | there are some tiny mice. |
| 16:37.28 | tuXXX | it'd possible to add a controller around the FR case (like the one for the iPhone) |
| 16:37.33 | Chox | but like a 1/3 size joypad |
| 16:37.40 | Chox | tuXXX: troo |
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| 16:38.00 | Chox | iAftermarketAccessory |
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| 16:38.18 | rooly | lol |
| 16:38.30 | pabs3 | wonders how much http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1713 affects battery life |
| 16:38.34 | rooly | hmm, FR and om acessories could be big business |
| 16:39.51 | tuXXX | http://iphonefreakz.com/2008/07/28/icontrolpad-update-2/ |
| 16:40.14 | Chox | mickey! |
| 16:40.41 | rooly | ok |
| 16:40.45 | rooly | the lib compiled |
| 16:40.45 | rooly | now |
| 16:40.49 | rooly | it's test time |
| 16:41.19 | Chox | hm, I |
| 16:41.37 | Chox | hm, I'm really not keen on the OM build system. It's too phat and too opaque |
| 16:41.38 | kuzgun | pabs3: have a look at here -> http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=tree;f=packages/gpe-calendar;h=0f9a8c60ddbeead422ccfc3c63a29207af0195cd;hb=b8ad60c13621163fb430376c90c1014f6d6b6e1a |
| 16:42.25 | Chox | I have a cross build system I wrote for a complete different OS (still ARM) that could be adapated, at least for simple application development. |
| 16:43.01 | railer | http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8860/bwolf2nx9.jpg |
| 16:43.08 | railer | we need that |
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| 16:43.13 | pabs3 | kuzgun: ah, don't have the build system setup yet |
| 16:43.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r353016496213 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [openmoko] Replace minesweep with python-efl sudoku as default game in ASU |
| 16:43.21 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r64ef743ff9cb 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [pyefl-sudoku] Bump up the reversion of pyefl-sudoku to 28 |
| 16:43.22 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r19917f47b82f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 222 |
| 16:43.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re772a47e76d7 10/packages/gpe-scap/gpe-scap_1.3.bb: [gpe-scap] Replace the default icon for design issue |
| 16:43.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8d858d96516a 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Replace icons for ASU |
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| 16:43.50 | Chox | it's ze Europeans! |
| 16:44.23 | peje | \join #gentoo |
| 16:44.27 | Chox | ricer. |
| 16:44.28 | peje | #gentoo |
| 16:45.08 | Chox | http://www.riscos.info/websvn/listing.php?repname=gccsdk&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fautobuilder%2F#_trunk_autobuilder_ |
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| 16:46.20 | tuXXX | Chox: for me, a cross-gcc should be enough, it works like that on every other platform I used. How does it works for OM? |
| 16:46.32 | kuzgun | pabs3: sorry I do not know an ipk of it |
| 16:46.40 | Guilt | hi. why am i unable to access: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ ?!! |
| 16:46.42 | Guilt | it was accesible yesterday |
| 16:46.54 | Chox | yes, cross GCC is ok. But in practice, you need various libraries, pkgconfig, things to work correctly with autoconf, etc, etc. |
| 16:47.01 | Chox | it depends what you're doing. |
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| 16:47.46 | Chox | but OM build - i.e, OpenEmbedded is a wrapper around all these issues. It's pretty damn complex, and pretty robust too (most of the time). but it's also opaque, and tricky for new users. |
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| 16:48.30 | tuXXX | right, I'll try to use gentoo's portage to build apps for OM ^^' |
| 16:49.01 | Chox | :o |
| 16:49.04 | Guilt | Chox: any idea why the new 2007.2 image not avail? |
| 16:49.06 | Guilt | :o |
| 16:49.09 | Chox | nope. |
| 16:49.37 | Chox | thinks it's been abandoned, but that's just a guess. no one seems to know this stuff for certain. |
| 16:49.56 | Chox | if it's broken, that's one thing, but at least someone should be in charge. |
| 16:50.19 | railer | seriously who wants the blame at this point |
| 16:52.41 | Chox | it's not really about blame. I'll take the blame if I think it helps ;-) I just want some better answers. |
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| 16:53.37 | AntonTakk | they were saying just a while ago that there are problems with buildhost |
| 16:54.12 | Chox | Sometimes you need a hard-ass developer to lay down teh lahw! |
| 16:54.15 | rooly | FSKCIN W00T |
| 16:54.25 | railer | You would think openmoko would have SOMEONE over viewing the software on even one distro? |
| 16:54.26 | rooly | like me |
| 16:54.29 | rooly | who got his 3d engine working |
| 16:54.40 | Chox | \o/ /o\ \o/ |
| 16:54.49 | Chox | rooly FTW |
| 16:55.00 | rooly | i don't have my camera on me... |
| 16:55.04 | railer | now we all have to be roolys bitches |
| 16:55.13 | Chox | woof. |
| 16:55.46 | mnagy | hm, where are the sources of the openmoko-today? |
| 16:56.02 | railer | rooly you cant do a screen shot? |
| 16:56.05 | AntonTakk | rooly: port q2 to your engine with some decent on screen controls please :) |
| 16:56.19 | rooly | lol |
| 16:56.28 | rooly | actually, i'm attempting opengl now |
| 16:56.30 | rooly | instead of software |
| 16:56.39 | AntonTakk | nice |
| 16:56.56 | abraxa_ | mnagy: svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications |
| 16:57.06 | rooly | nope |
| 16:57.07 | rooly | no ogl |
| 16:57.27 | ozzloy | i'm trying fso milestone 2. it's great! thank you all! |
| 16:57.53 | railer | now upgrade it heh,heh,heh |
| 16:58.21 | AntonTakk | does the glammo driver even have ogl support? |
| 16:58.37 | ozzloy | much improved over the scaredy cat image i was using |
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| 16:58.46 | ozzloy | upgrade it? it came out like 24 hrs ago |
| 16:58.59 | Chox | heh. |
| 16:59.02 | xeros | rooly: how many fps do you have? |
| 16:59.03 | Chox | someone gets to explain. |
| 16:59.04 | AntonTakk | ozzloy: opkg may still be broken |
| 16:59.11 | mnagy | abraxa_: thank you |
| 16:59.13 | ozzloy | i like the keyboard input |
| 16:59.15 | ozzloy | AntonTakk: ah |
| 16:59.34 | rooly | xeros, 8 and 6 on the 2 software modes (i'm estimating) |
| 16:59.38 | rooly | ogl doesn't seem to want to draw |
| 16:59.44 | mnagy | still, so little code and it takes so much memory :( |
| 17:01.11 | xeros | rooly: take screenshots and post them to scap.linuxtogo.org |
| 17:01.48 | rooly | it won't let me |
| 17:02.36 | rooly | i'll get a picture or a video of it working |
| 17:02.51 | Zorkman | rooly: I read long time ago that the glamo would support OpenGL ES |
| 17:03.04 | railer | video would be cool |
| 17:03.09 | rooly | i'll get video |
| 17:03.31 | railer | easier to masturbate to. |
| 17:03.42 | AntonTakk | ..... |
| 17:03.47 | railer | WHAT! |
| 17:04.08 | railer | like I'M the only one...... |
| 17:04.13 | Chox | filth! |
| 17:04.29 | rooly | ok |
| 17:04.33 | rooly | now i've got chores |
| 17:04.33 | rooly | bbl |
| 17:04.35 | rooly | with video |
| 17:04.35 | Chox | heh |
| 17:04.38 | Chox | laffs. |
| 17:05.00 | mjr | Zorkman, it does sort of, but not usefully for a VGA screen after all, so there's little incentive to code driver support |
| 17:05.37 | Zorkman | mjr: would i be more useful when screen is in QVGA mode? |
| 17:05.43 | mjr | (either not usefully or time-consuming kluding...) |
| 17:06.19 | mjr | somewhat |
| 17:06.26 | railer | so what's so great about FSO II, why is it worth installing? |
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| 17:06.52 | mjr | an unnamed party had some ambitions on doing some ogl acceleration support for that, but don't know if he's still hopeful |
| 17:06.54 | AntonTakk | railer: it's pretty, and is the final goal of the software stack |
| 17:07.07 | rooly | anyway |
| 17:07.11 | rooly | 3d software rendering |
| 17:07.12 | Chox | O RLY |
| 17:07.16 | rooly | byes |
| 17:08.12 | railer | ok I'll install it, mind passing me a link? |
| 17:08.24 | AntonTakk | one sec |
| 17:08.27 | Chox | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ |
| 17:08.38 | AntonTakk | nevermind :) |
| 17:09.06 | AntonTakk | the rootfs for gta02 was accibentally given an extra suffix, but it's the right image |
| 17:09.23 | Chox | ok, who has a dirt cheap price on 8GB MicroSD? |
| 17:10.13 | railer | thanks |
| 17:10.18 | Guilt | have they removed 2007.2/freerunner totally? |
| 17:10.19 | Chox | hm, 4GB for $15 |
| 17:10.21 | Guilt | Chox ^^n? |
| 17:10.34 | xeros | I remember when I get Quake 1 running on Nexgen (100MHz 32-bit x86 CPU (simmilar to Pentium 1 but without FPU)) - it run with one frame for over a dozen of seconds with software FPU emulator |
| 17:10.44 | Chox | Guilt: as I've been trying to imply, it's all guesses on my part. No one seems in charge. |
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| 17:11.25 | tuXXX | xeros: it's running on GP2X at fullspeed (200 MHz ARM, but I don't know if it's using the second processor) |
| 17:11.34 | Guilt | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/workdir/deploy/glibc/images/om-gta01/200808/20080801/ <- well. that's all i see |
| 17:11.37 | railer | No one seems in charge. I concur |
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| 17:12.14 | Chox | Strolly |
| 17:12.36 | Zorkman | Chox,Guilt,railer: there has been an anouncement, tonight buillds will be back |
| 17:12.42 | Chox | :o |
| 17:13.01 | railer | Zorkman:and you know this? |
| 17:13.07 | Guilt | :o |
| 17:13.07 | railer | how? |
| 17:13.14 | Zorkman | 1. from irc: |
| 17:13.15 | Zorkman | [18:09] <jopk> when will the repositority be available for opkg again? |
| 17:13.15 | Zorkman | [18:09] <XorA> late tonight GMT |
| 17:13.21 | Zorkman | 2. from the mailinglists: |
| 17:13.27 | railer | ok |
| 17:13.44 | XorA | apologises for the inconvenience |
| 17:13.45 | Guilt | when is ASU expected? |
| 17:13.52 | XorA | I forgot its not a mirror anymore |
| 17:14.04 | Chox | XorA: woot. |
| 17:14.34 | Zorkman | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-August/000538.html |
| 17:14.43 | Zorkman | Guilt: august 8 |
| 17:14.48 | bumbl | Guilt: i heard that august software update will be released 8th august |
| 17:17.17 | tuXXX | Chox: I found one at 27.90€ (8GB) |
| 17:17.53 | Chox | is in US |
| 17:18.12 | tuXXX | hehe |
| 17:19.04 | Chox | prolly buy some crap from Ebay |
| 17:19.50 | Chox | if I buy from some dodgy place in LA, it'll be here next day |
| 17:20.09 | railer | not to be a nuisance but what is a jffs2.summary? and which jffs2 do I use for FSO II? |
| 17:20.52 | Chox | the one that says GTA02 |
| 17:21.08 | Zorkman | Chox; which Class do you recommend buying? |
| 17:21.13 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r488449ed0e14 10/framework/subsystem.py: |
| 17:21.13 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: subsystem.py: Register extra busnames if requested by the subsystem |
| 17:21.13 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: This looks for NEEDS_BUSNAMES in every file that also has a factory |
| 17:21.14 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: method and tries to claim the busnames listed in there. |
| 17:21.14 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r60aa0b4f2df4 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/factory.py: ogpsd: Use NEEDS_BUSNAMES to claim org.freedesktop.Gypsy |
| 17:21.31 | Chox | Class of 1999? Context please :o |
| 17:21.45 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4576 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/source/ (12 files): Add some thumbnails for ASU |
| 17:21.57 | railer | ya theres a gta01 with .jffs2 ext and a gta02 witha jffs2.summary extension will the summary work? |
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| 17:22.22 | Zorkman | context: microSD cards |
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| 17:22.36 | Chox | what classes are there? |
| 17:22.49 | tuXXX | railer: http://www.inf.u-szeged.hu/jffs2/mount.php |
| 17:22.53 | Chox | there might be some moose on the wiki |
| 17:23.11 | Zorkman | chox: 2,4 and 6 are those i know of |
| 17:23.41 | Chox | stupid standards. |
| 17:23.53 | Zorkman | there is also a rating (6x, 32x,... up to 150x i think) |
| 17:24.32 | SpeedEvil | What;'s the fastest anyones gotten data onto/off of the SD in their freerunner? |
| 17:24.33 | Zorkman | yeah, but whatever the standard, do you know of a "recommended" speed? because of the shared bus it might be a waiste of money to buy a really fast sd |
| 17:24.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rfb13c3f60a50 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [exposure] Bump up the reversion for exposure to 59 |
| 17:24.47 | Zorkman | *waste |
| 17:24.54 | Chox | look on the wiki |
| 17:24.54 | railer | tuXXX so it install with the same command as a regular jffs2? |
| 17:24.56 | SpeedEvil | I note that I get 3 megabytes/second with dd on my GTA01 |
| 17:25.03 | tuXXX | railer: yes, I think so |
| 17:25.09 | railer | cool |
| 17:25.22 | AntonTakk | railer: yes, it was simply mis-named |
| 17:25.58 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4577 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/result/thumbnail.eet: recreate the thumbnail.eet |
| 17:26.07 | railer | a flashing we shall go.... |
| 17:26.20 | tuXXX | I'd say class 6 should be enough |
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| 17:27.45 | tuXXX | (class 6 is something like 133x) |
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| 17:28.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r50fa3332788d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin-thumbnail] Bump up the reversion of assassin-thumbnail to 4577 |
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| 17:36.57 | railer | why did they go with usb 1.1? |
| 17:37.05 | jadams_ | holy moley OFT is awesome |
| 17:37.17 | jadams_ | seriously, this release is absurdly smooth on the GTA01 |
| 17:37.28 | flexd|gruu | OFT? |
| 17:37.36 | jadams_ | erm, http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=OpenmokoFramework/Status_Update_3 |
| 17:37.41 | railer | I know OTB but not OTF? |
| 17:40.36 | railer | ok first impressions coll background |
| 17:40.40 | railer | cool |
| 17:40.45 | *** part/#openmoko gargoyle_grin (n=randerso@12-217-56-11.client.mchsi.com) |
| 17:41.45 | Kero | FSO |
| 17:41.48 | bumbl | hmm i hate that background |
| 17:42.24 | jadams_ | bumbl, which? |
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| 17:43.03 | bumbl | the fso background |
| 17:43.14 | bumbl | which seems to be compiled into the .edj file |
| 17:44.59 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r50214ede139e 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [openmoko] Change the TAG which used by assassin |
| 17:45.00 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re67f87cc554a 10/packages/gpe-scap/gpe-scap_1.3.bb: [openmoko] Change the TAG which used by assassin in gpe-scap |
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| 17:45.33 | railer | I found the bg very Lao Tzu |
| 17:46.09 | abraxa_ | railer: Because they're relying on the USB interface of the SoC, which only offers USB 1.1 |
| 17:47.44 | railer | pretty smooth interface fso II |
| 17:47.55 | jadams_ | railer, agreed |
| 17:48.59 | railer | phone buggy :(9999 |
| 17:49.27 | zash | buggyphone |
| 17:50.01 | railer | first digit repeat and nothing out? |
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| 17:52.42 | railer | apm not working in terminal? |
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| 17:53.35 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb733c92acbe3 10/packages/packagekit/ (files/racing_condition.patch packagekit_git.bb): [packagekit] Add a patch for packagekit |
| 17:54.07 | bumbl | railer: just press the power button and it will suspend |
| 17:55.02 | bumbl | and it was said that gps doesn't work with sd cards and fso |
| 17:55.51 | tuXXX | with the kernel patch, it's ok |
| 17:56.30 | tuXXX | (and with the hardware trick, it seems to be even better) |
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| 17:56.47 | tuXXX | oops, I have to go, good bye everyone! |
| 17:56.49 | railer | no phone, quite dead, how do I check mt gsm no FOS2 |
| 17:57.02 | bumbl | phone works for me |
| 17:57.13 | bumbl | the first digit does not show up at first |
| 17:57.25 | bumbl | you have to press the second, then both show up |
| 17:57.32 | railer | first digit shows twice for me |
| 17:57.44 | bumbl | railer: then you pressed it twice |
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| 17:57.49 | bumbl | i had that problem too |
| 17:57.51 | railer | lol |
| 17:58.01 | madjo | evening all |
| 17:58.14 | bumbl | you have to be quite careful what you touch |
| 17:58.46 | railer | that's what my wife told me! |
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| 17:59.13 | madjo | I have a question.. I'm trying to install some Java runtime thingy (and also minimo) but I'm getting "an error has occured" or unresolved dependencies and it seems that the repositories are pretty much bare) |
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| 17:59.19 | railer | ok reboot fixed it all |
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| 17:59.47 | madjo | i'm using 2007.2 with the repos of scaredy-cat and jalimo added |
| 18:00.38 | madjo | are other people encountering that problem? |
| 18:01.05 | madjo | +as well |
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| 18:01.31 | railer | reboot got the gps started as well |
| 18:01.40 | T0o0T | Hi all. I'm learrning Python and want to install it on my FR. I have flashed my phone with Qtopia (newest version) |
| 18:02.02 | bumbl | railer: yes you have to reboot the whole image one time |
| 18:02.16 | bumbl | the first time it just installs the config files,... |
| 18:02.19 | abraxa_ | madjo: Did you do "opkg update" after adding the configs? |
| 18:02.24 | railer | I like the bars at the top need on for gps and wifi as well |
| 18:02.52 | madjo | yes I did abraxa... and noticed that the openmoko buildhost's packages were giving 404s |
| 18:03.10 | madjo | but I'll try it again |
| 18:03.20 | jadams_ | zhone++ |
| 18:03.58 | railer | ok "b G1 w S1" at the top any guesses what that is? |
| 18:03.58 | T0o0T | is installing Python (+ PyQt?) possible with the qtopia image? |
| 18:03.59 | madjo | couldn't get zhone to work for me. :) (it refused to show a keypad to enter a PIN) |
| 18:03.59 | mmontour | madjo: right now buildhost is all "build", no "host". Updated packages should appear eventually |
| 18:03.59 | madjo | ah ok |
| 18:04.03 | madjo | I'll wait then |
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| 18:04.24 | kelvie | T0o0T: that's something I'd like to know as well |
| 18:04.30 | kelvie | I know you can install it on the ASU |
| 18:04.42 | kelvie | but you'll need to install Qt/X11 as well |
| 18:04.55 | madjo | I right now got this for example: Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz, error 404 (and also for armv4t) |
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| 18:05.01 | madjo | yesterday it did work :) |
| 18:05.06 | madjo | but I'll wait patiently |
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| 18:05.22 | madjo | what's the batterylife for you all? |
| 18:05.30 | T0o0T | kelvie: I like the qtopia image, so I'd rather not switch to ASU or 2007.2 |
| 18:06.10 | bumbl | madjo: with suspend i think i will get ~50-60 hours |
| 18:06.15 | bumbl | but I never tried it |
| 18:06.28 | bumbl | I used the features way too much |
| 18:07.04 | T0o0T | I have read that all libaries should coexist with each other, but I haven't seen a how to.. |
| 18:07.19 | wurp2|working | Does the bitbake command do anything differently if you give it the bb package name versus the bb file path? |
| 18:07.22 | madjo | hmmmm... I had it with me to work... unplugged it at 8am, and around 7pm it was already showing a red battery icon (with dim-then-lock) |
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| 18:08.10 | SpeedEvil | Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. |
| 18:08.58 | madjo | well i barely used the phone.. just a little showing it at work, and 1 call and a few smses... but still... I think that +/- 8hrs is not that great |
| 18:09.17 | SpeedEvil | No, it's not. |
| 18:09.21 | SpeedEvil | It's a work in progress. |
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| 18:09.31 | madjo | :) |
| 18:09.32 | madjo | indeed |
| 18:09.42 | madjo | well it gets me through the workday |
| 18:09.58 | Zorkman | railer: b=bluetooth, G=gsm, w=wifi,s=gps; capital=ON, lowercase=OFF, number=#clients |
| 18:10.15 | wurp2|working | railer: Also see the FSO UI Tutorial on the wiki |
| 18:11.20 | wurp2|working | Does the bitbake command do anything differently if you give it the bb package name versus the bb file path? |
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| 18:11.33 | madjo | hmmm... I lost the top icons on my phone |
| 18:11.47 | jadams_ | so I have a question - DNS isn't working on my phone at present, resolv.conf is fine and I can see my machine. What am I missing? |
| 18:12.01 | jadams_ | I have the auto-iptables stuff in my desktops /etc/network/interfaces, but maybe it's not working right? |
| 18:12.13 | abraxa_ | jadams_: Can you ping your router from the neo? |
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| 18:13.12 | jadams_ | abraxa_, yes |
| 18:13.14 | bumbl_ | ahh bloody reconnect |
| 18:13.27 | madjo | can you ping google.com? |
| 18:13.28 | tkep | seriously, am i the only one having trouble updating om2007.2 today? |
| 18:13.35 | tkep | i can't get it to do jack crap |
| 18:13.35 | madjo | no you're not, tkep |
| 18:13.37 | jadams_ | abraxa_, thanks |
| 18:13.39 | tkep | oh, ok |
| 18:13.40 | tkep | good |
| 18:13.41 | jadams_ | abraxa_, added my router as a ns, golden |
| 18:13.47 | tkep | earlier no one responded :) |
| 18:13.55 | peter__b | anyone ever had a problem with qpe sucking all the cpu power on asu ? |
| 18:13.56 | peter__b | q |
| 18:14.02 | tkep | any ideas on when we can do it :) |
| 18:14.03 | bumbl_ | jadams_: concerning the dns |
| 18:14.14 | bumbl_ | ifdown usb0 should do the job |
| 18:14.20 | madjo | no idea, tkep... |
| 18:14.36 | madjo | I would like to know that myself as well :) |
| 18:15.00 | tkep | le sigh... |
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| 18:16.32 | madjo | what do you people do when the icons at the top disappear? |
| 18:16.42 | jadams_ | I can't do an opkg update: http://pastie.org/245774 |
| 18:16.43 | madjo | (like signal strength, battery level etc) |
| 18:17.36 | madjo | my distribution? |
| 18:17.56 | mmaestri | jadams |
| 18:18.04 | mmaestri | you have to add the repos |
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| 18:18.23 | mmaestri | fso m2 doesn't come with any configured repo |
| 18:18.46 | mmaestri | my-distribution.org is just a placeholder |
| 18:20.14 | madjo | and the openmoko buildhosts aren't complete at the moment |
| 18:20.43 | Yasumoto | should we set up something from here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories ? |
| 18:21.08 | mmaestri | ...and fso is keeping you another surprise, when you configure the repos and try to make an opkg upgrade... |
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| 18:21.31 | mmaestri | Yasumoto: yes, for a start |
| 18:22.17 | mmaestri | Yasumoto, jadams: opkg version in fso m2 is broken. it segfaults when trying to upgrade packages |
| 18:22.46 | Yasumoto | haha, ouch |
| 18:23.17 | mmaestri | and Chox said that when he managed to overcome this, the upgrade messed it all up... |
| 18:23.23 | Chox | :o! |
| 18:23.41 | Yasumoto | aiee, because it upgraded opkg to a broken version? |
| 18:23.44 | mmaestri | ...or that's what i've understood...:P |
| 18:24.04 | Chox | not cos of opkg. cos of stuff which doesn't work with FSO II |
| 18:24.25 | mmaestri | yep... |
| 18:24.42 | jadams_ | mmaestri, aha, ok I'll just chill probably |
| 18:24.48 | jadams_ | FSO II is hotness though |
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| 18:25.11 | Yasumoto | mm, alright |
| 18:25.28 | Yasumoto | so it's best to wait for a bit, then? |
| 18:25.28 | mmaestri | jadams: yes it is, but it doesn't worked as a phone very well to me |
| 18:25.43 | jadams_ | mmaestri, are you kidding? It's the best phone distro I've found for the neo so far |
| 18:25.53 | jadams_ | mmaestri, it's the first time I feel comfortable switching to it as my primary phone |
| 18:26.20 | jadams_ | mmaestri, the options for a given record from the address book leave tons to be desired...but FSO I I didn't even have a keyboard to text with |
| 18:26.21 | mmaestri | Yasumoto: if you can't live without upgrade, yes |
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| 18:26.39 | mmaestri | i like zhone |
| 18:27.40 | madjo | I'll wait till FSO is more stable, but for now I use 2007.2 with scaredy-cat additions :) |
| 18:28.00 | mmaestri | jadams: but...with 2007.2 i managed to make a few phone calls, receive calls, and sms worked well too |
| 18:28.16 | jadams_ | mmaestri, all of that works better for me on FSO II than anywhere else |
| 18:28.26 | jadams_ | I STILL haven't gotten decent gps though |
| 18:28.56 | mmaestri | fso sound turned choppy to me, and phone calls hanged up |
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| 18:29.32 | mmaestri | gotta leave, see ya in a few hours :p |
| 18:29.34 | mmaestri | bye |
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| 18:31.07 | madjo | I encountered something funny with the messaging app in 2007.2. I had sent an sms to someone, and it turned up in my received folder |
| 18:32.43 | Kero | fso 2 does not do incoming sms. and audio was gone after suspend; so I'm not using it as primary phone yet. |
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| 18:33.09 | Kero | but if fso 3 is going t have the same improvement over 2 as 2 has over 1, I guess that's the moment I will :) |
| 18:34.10 | madjo | I'll keep an eye on it |
| 18:34.50 | T0o0T | I've just read some discussions here and it seems like nobody is using qtopia. Or is it the silent majority? :) |
| 18:35.06 | lpotter | i use it |
| 18:35.40 | T0o0T | I have installed it today and it seems to be a huge improvement compared to 2007.2 |
| 18:35.50 | lpotter | :) of course |
| 18:35.51 | madjo | hmm, handy |
| 18:36.19 | madjo | my freerunner started clicking on the top left corner all by itself |
| 18:36.28 | madjo | well not exactly top left |
| 18:36.33 | madjo | but slightly below that |
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| 18:36.45 | T0o0T | I am only a bit worried about the availability of programs for it. |
| 18:36.48 | madjo | the location of the dialer |
| 18:37.09 | lpotter | T0o0T: what app do yo need? |
| 18:37.25 | T0o0T | Python |
| 18:38.57 | flexd|gruu | Python is installed by default? |
| 18:39.22 | T0o0T | ? |
| 18:39.28 | T0o0T | let me have a look.. |
| 18:39.35 | flexd|gruu | i think it is |
| 18:39.36 | flexd|gruu | [20:27] <madjo> I'll wait till FSO is more stable, but for now I use 2007.2 with scaredy-cat additions :) |
| 18:39.48 | flexd|gruu | Could you link a scaredycat image? |
| 18:40.00 | madjo | well I added the scaredy-cat repositories |
| 18:40.12 | madjo | because the images seemed a bit outdated |
| 18:40.19 | flexd|gruu | ah |
| 18:40.29 | flexd|gruu | well what does that add? |
| 18:40.41 | flexd|gruu | what stuff is in those repositories? |
| 18:41.19 | madjo | it added python for me... and timesheet and a filemanager |
| 18:41.34 | madjo | and a to-do list |
| 18:42.12 | ronny | yo |
| 18:42.25 | ronny | is the broken kernel still in the developer package repos? |
| 18:42.33 | madjo | I think it was removed |
| 18:42.39 | ronny | (i want to run a upgrade already) |
| 18:42.40 | ronny | ok |
| 18:42.46 | ronny | om gona try |
| 18:43.13 | madjo | but I'm not 100% sure, but if I go by the wiki, the offending package has been removed |
| 18:43.34 | T0o0T | nope Python is not installed by default on qtopia. |
| 18:43.40 | ronny | i dont yet have important data on the phone |
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| 18:44.09 | flexd|gruu | maybe not on qtopia |
| 18:44.39 | ronny | btw, when will it be possible to sync the contact-list with a pim-suite on the pc? |
| 18:46.35 | SpeedEvil | rsync + OM on the PC in a window? |
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| 18:47.12 | ronny | SpeedEvil: thats not syncing with a pim suite, thats at best a hack suitable for hackers playing with the device |
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| 18:50.49 | jadams_ | I'd think conduit would be a nice fit |
| 18:50.54 | jadams_ | everyone familiar with GNOME Conduit? |
| 18:51.02 | jadams_ | it's an exciting little bit o' software |
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| 18:52.02 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r665cd38eecd8 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): add dbus calls to configure debug logger levels at runtime |
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| 18:55.41 | abraxa_ | jadams_: I'll get conduit support as soon as I can, yes |
| 18:55.59 | jadams_ | abraxa_, awesomeness |
| 18:56.04 | jadams_ | I just discovered conduit and I think it's awesome |
| 18:56.12 | abraxa_ | jadams_: It is |
| 18:56.15 | jadams_ | if nothing else, saving sets off of flickr is a thousand times easier with it :) |
| 18:57.24 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r20fe16e84839 10/framework/controller.py: remove private controller API that wasn't to be used |
| 18:58.56 | McKael | How can I use ogg123 on the FR? |
| 18:59.02 | McKael | It's asking for a driver |
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| 19:00.16 | ajbrun | hmmm - i can't seem to ping anywhere on my openmoko |
| 19:00.23 | ajbrun | i could last night though :( |
| 19:01.18 | madjo | check your /etc/resolve.conf file |
| 19:01.30 | madjo | and make sure wifi is up :) |
| 19:01.45 | ajbrun | it's via usb atm |
| 19:01.49 | ajbrun | not got wifi working yet |
| 19:02.27 | madjo | ah ok...well then check the resolve file.. and did you ifconfig the usb0 to an ip-address? |
| 19:03.26 | ajbrun | i know why it is |
| 19:03.33 | ajbrun | i did it to the wrong ip |
| 19:03.36 | ajbrun | which the example used |
| 19:04.11 | ajbrun | or maybe not... |
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| 19:08.31 | madjo | when I turn on the wifi... it starts clicking |
| 19:09.16 | madjo | weird |
| 19:09.26 | Chox | it's teh motor! |
| 19:09.29 | Chox | maybe. |
| 19:09.33 | madjo | could be |
| 19:09.36 | abraxa_ | madjo: It's just trying to let you know that it's working :) |
| 19:09.39 | madjo | well it could be the terminal |
| 19:09.42 | madjo | hahaha abraxa_ |
| 19:09.54 | Chox | could be GSM messing with your computer speakers |
| 19:10.12 | madjo | no not making sound |
| 19:10.18 | madjo | but pressing the upper-left icon |
| 19:10.25 | Chox | bonus sound feature. |
| 19:10.54 | abraxa_ | ...easter egg... |
| 19:10.54 | madjo | but I got it to stop doing that now |
| 19:11.21 | madjo | but it kept creating new terminal windows... and when I closed that, it kept pressing the dialer icon.. :S |
| 19:11.37 | madjo | it did not do that yesterday, nor throughout the day today |
| 19:11.47 | madjo | it only just now started doing that |
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| 19:12.24 | madjo | but it's stopped |
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| 19:12.55 | madjo | buildhost.openmoko.org is not yet ready |
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| 19:13.04 | madjo | in case anyone is wondering :) |
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| 19:26.49 | jadams_ | zhone is just really impressive. I can't wait for the next update from those guys :) |
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| 19:26.54 | Chox | :o |
| 19:26.59 | jadams_ | FSO II is so much better and usable than FSO I it's insane |
| 19:27.08 | jadams_ | I've actually got people interested in the phone now :) |
| 19:27.17 | Chox | FSO II ftw! |
| 19:27.30 | jadams_ | SRSLY |
| 19:27.38 | cjb | can you do anything other than calls on it? |
| 19:27.52 | Chox | GPS, but I couldn't make that work |
| 19:27.57 | Chox | and you can install stuff on it |
| 19:27.58 | cjb | like, tangogps? I haven't tried it because it looked like it doesn't have many features |
| 19:28.07 | madjo | how can this plug be one for a headset with mic? http://i21.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/fd/bc/422d_1.JPG (it only has two rings) |
| 19:28.18 | Chox | newer version of tangoGPS is h0t. |
| 19:28.34 | cjb | Chox: how new? |
| 19:28.39 | madjo | FSO wouldn't work well for me,sadly |
| 19:28.54 | Chox | approx what is on the website. Newer than the one in 2007.2 until recently |
| 19:29.16 | cjb | k. yeah, I like that one too. |
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| 19:44.16 | ecraven | can anyone confirm that Path in .desktop files is *not* handled correctly by matchbox-desktop? |
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| 19:46.24 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r2710a6de1bc8 10/framework/objectquery.py: add dbus method to configure logging destination at runtime |
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| 19:50.22 | wyze | where is the control file for the ringtone in 2007.2? |
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| 19:52.41 | smhar | While still waiting for OM to offer FR in the webstore, I decided to install qemu and check openmoko. I followed the instructions in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_under_QEMU but it has a line that needs clarification: |
| 19:53.03 | smhar | in 'Neo FreeRunner (GTA02)' section, it says: The instructions for running the emulator are the same for FreeRunner, but the final command line to invoke qemu changes. Instead of "-M gta01" as the machine name "-M gta02fake" has to be used. |
| 19:53.16 | smhar | where actually do I need to put this? |
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| 19:55.28 | lindi- | smhar: can't you just emulate gta01? |
| 19:56.36 | smhar | lindi-: I did not even see a -M gta01, so I assume what I have is a gta01 |
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| 19:59.28 | lindi- | yep |
| 20:02.01 | malik1972 | lpotter: pong |
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| 20:02.38 | lambda | hello everybody |
| 20:02.46 | malik1972 | hi |
| 20:03.19 | lambda | i ordered a free runner today :) |
| 20:03.28 | Chox | \o/ |
| 20:03.33 | malik1972 | nice |
| 20:04.31 | flexd|gruu | hmmm |
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| 20:04.54 | flexd|gruu | The joy of vacation must be coming back to 4500 mails on the mailing lists |
| 20:04.59 | flexd|gruu | when am i gonna get the time to read all this heh |
| 20:05.06 | Chox | it's mostly trash, trust me |
| 20:05.53 | zedstar_ | we need more posts about top or bottom posting, not seen for a bit :) |
| 20:05.56 | flexd|gruu | i believe you heh |
| 20:05.58 | Chox | yes |
| 20:05.59 | flexd|gruu | i only read titles |
| 20:06.10 | SpeedEvil | Thread! |
| 20:06.11 | Chox | people so lazy. Learn to trim the freakin' crap. |
| 20:06.20 | SpeedEvil | then you only have to read a few percent of titles. |
| 20:06.40 | malik1972 | i use nabbles rss |
| 20:06.59 | Chox | Just say no! |
| 20:08.21 | lpotter | malik1972: ping |
| 20:08.33 | zedstar_ | im just excited somebody might arrange a london openmoko meetup....it doesnt take a lot to get me going |
| 20:08.52 | ecraven | wyze: /etc/pulse/session |
| 20:09.05 | wyze | found it ...thanks ;) |
| 20:10.19 | TAsn | lambda, where from? |
| 20:10.36 | smhar | when I issue a openmoko/qemu-auto.sh I have openmoko booting to 100% . now it says no network, obviously , but all the buttons are non clickable. what to do now?! |
| 20:10.40 | lambda | i am from france |
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| 20:10.55 | lambda | not well represented, i huess |
| 20:11.04 | lambda | s/guess |
| 20:11.24 | malik1972 | 2008.8? shr ... hehe, no names left? |
| 20:11.44 | zedstar_ | lambda check the local groups part on the wiki u never know |
| 20:11.58 | lambda | on the planet ? |
| 20:11.58 | TAsn | lambda, i meant where did you order from? |
| 20:12.03 | smhar | I only have 4 big buttons at tbe bottom, a mobile a QT a star and a lock |
| 20:12.16 | zedstar_ | lambda no on the wiki there is a section for local groups and france |
| 20:12.18 | lambda | i purchased it from bearstech |
| 20:12.31 | TAsn | lambda, they still have some left? |
| 20:12.39 | lambda | i dunno |
| 20:12.42 | lambda | i gonna wait |
| 20:14.06 | malik1972 | lpotter: is there a sdk for the freerunner? |
| 20:14.11 | Chox | heh |
| 20:14.19 | Chox | MokoMakefile |
| 20:14.39 | xeros | rooly: do you have those videos of 3D engine on FR? |
| 20:14.40 | zedstar_ | lambda u a functional programmer? |
| 20:14.55 | cjb | hum, anyone have a USB keyboard working with their FR? |
| 20:14.56 | lambda | no an end user |
| 20:14.56 | malik1972 | chox: for qtopia 4.x development ... |
| 20:15.01 | cjb | I guess I need an A->mini A adaptor |
| 20:15.40 | zedstar_ | lambda ok cos lambda are anonymous functions .... just wondered ;) |
| 20:15.51 | malik1972 | lpotter: did you tried citymap on the fr? |
| 20:15.51 | lambda | yeah python scritping |
| 20:15.55 | Chox | :o |
| 20:16.11 | madjo | still need to try the GPS... yesterday it couldn't get a fix |
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| 20:16.17 | madjo | but it might have been an old kernel |
| 20:17.09 | malik1972 | lpotter: meanwhile i localized some stability issues, in many cases incoming sms cause them when the neo is suspended |
| 20:17.41 | ecraven | can anyone explain to me where i can tell apmd on what events to resume? |
| 20:17.49 | ecraven | i can get it to suspend fine, but it won't wake up ;( |
| 20:18.09 | Chox | so sleepy |
| 20:18.23 | madjo | not even on keeping the power button pressed? |
| 20:18.33 | Chox | and why the hell are we still using APM in 2008? |
| 20:18.46 | lindi- | Chox: is there acpi for arm? |
| 20:18.52 | ecraven | madjo: after some time it reboots, no resume though |
| 20:18.59 | Chox | Of course. |
| 20:19.00 | madjo | weird |
| 20:19.03 | madjo | which image? |
| 20:19.07 | Chox | Has been for 4 years |
| 20:19.22 | Chox | ACPI is a hardware matter, not an ARM matter, really. |
| 20:19.46 | ecraven | madjo: debian :) |
| 20:19.46 | lindi- | Chox: i have a feeling you are not going to find answer to that question here :/ |
| 20:20.00 | ecraven | anyway, so it *should* wake up without any configuration on AUX and POWER? |
| 20:20.00 | madjo | ah... hmm, no idea then |
| 20:20.16 | Chox | I did an ARM embedded project 4 years ago, for a not too dissimilar device. Even then APM was old school. |
| 20:20.21 | ecraven | i can't find any configuration file for apmd anywhere on the 2007.2 filesystem |
| 20:20.31 | cjb | yes, ACPI is x86 only, afaik. |
| 20:20.46 | flexd|gruu | wow windows is amazing... |
| 20:20.46 | Chox | ecraven: guess what, it's hardwired into neod. |
| 20:20.56 | cjb | apm is just a command, in our case. the kernel knows exactly which registers to hit to suspend. |
| 20:21.07 | flexd|gruu | two years ago i had some kind of file in my documents that crashed windows explorer whenever i tried to open it |
| 20:21.08 | Chox | a misleading command :-( |
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| 20:21.21 | flexd|gruu | accidentally i put it on my external hdd, and it's been there ever since |
| 20:21.22 | ecraven | Chox: wtf, really? |
| 20:21.26 | ecraven | cjb: the question is *when* to resume |
| 20:21.36 | ecraven | i'll have a look at neod then.. |
| 20:21.49 | flexd|gruu | now, two version later, using vista instead of windows 2000 i get the same error trying to view the backup... |
| 20:21.50 | cjb | that's not going to be decided by any code running on the CPU |
| 20:22.02 | cjb | since the point of being suspended is to turn the CPU off :) |
| 20:22.08 | flexd|gruu | sort of expected they'd fix the bug :| |
| 20:22.11 | Chox | ecraven: but guess what, the file in question is closely replicated in the panel code. I'm not sure which version is being used. |
| 20:22.25 | ecraven | cjb: well, someone has to tell it whether to resume on gsm, touchscreen, buttons.. etc. |
| 20:22.29 | lindi- | btw, is there a way to get energy consumption estimate on gta02? |
| 20:22.33 | lindi- | without extra hardware, that is |
| 20:22.43 | ecraven | Chox: am i the only one who thinks something is very wrong with this approach? |
| 20:22.46 | lambda | acpi -t ? |
| 20:22.51 | cjb | lindi-: that's a good question |
| 20:22.56 | Chox | ecraven: well, I went looking for it :p |
| 20:22.58 | lindi- | only workaround i have is to look at output of 'apm' and count how long it takes for it to go from N% to N-1% |
| 20:23.06 | Chox | ecraven: FSO ftw. |
| 20:23.07 | cjb | lindi-: you'd get it by integrating the loss of current over time, if you can get that |
| 20:23.13 | cjb | right |
| 20:23.31 | cjb | I don't think you're going to get any better than that |
| 20:23.44 | lindi- | cjb: where does 'apm' get its data? |
| 20:23.57 | cjb | (you can use raw current loss, rather than the sanitized percentage, I bet?) |
| 20:23.59 | lindi- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.05 | lindi- | where does kernel get it? ;) |
| 20:24.08 | cjb | lindi-: try /sys/class/power_supply |
| 20:24.31 | cjb | kernel gets it from the battery class driver that knows how to talk to the power management unit |
| 20:24.47 | lindi- | cjb: current_now? |
| 20:24.51 | cjb | sure |
| 20:25.30 | smhar | I run the qemu but I only got a static picture, almost of the OM interface? how to operate it with a mouse as the right left and middle buttons do no do anything? |
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| 20:25.52 | lindi- | cjb: cool |
| 20:26.05 | lindi- | cjb: this lets me optimize for lower energy consumption |
| 20:27.09 | ecraven | Chox: as far as i can see, it just calls apm -s |
| 20:27.13 | ecraven | nothing magical about resume there |
| 20:27.18 | lindi- | except that "current_now" does not seem to correlate with cpu usage much, hmm |
| 20:27.20 | Chox | yessir. |
| 20:27.28 | Chox | but the times are hardwired :o |
| 20:27.37 | cjb | lindi-: hm, I think that's surprising |
| 20:27.40 | ecraven | so it should actually work on debian, if i just start apm -s |
| 20:27.45 | Chox | yes. |
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| 20:28.18 | cjb | unless something else in userspace is programming the power management unit, yes |
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| 20:28.29 | lindi- | cjb: any idea what units those should be? |
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| 20:28.48 | lindi- | maybe charging interacts with the measurements |
| 20:29.02 | cjb | lindi-: maybe coulombs |
| 20:29.09 | cjb | oh, I'm sure it does |
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| 20:29.49 | Quai | while charing, im getting a negative current from current_now |
| 20:30.14 | cjb | current_now probably means the current draw coming out of the battery |
| 20:30.25 | cjb | where negative means it's increasing. |
| 20:30.38 | Quai | yep |
| 20:30.39 | madjo | a -current is charging... a +current is using power :) |
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| 20:33.44 | *** topic/#openmoko is Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. | Developers should join #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
| 20:33.59 | ecraven | -S is standby, -s is suspend |
| 20:34.17 | cjb | I suspect that standby is unimplemented in the kernel driver |
| 20:34.24 | Chox | -SS is for silly |
| 20:34.30 | cjb | and your request makes it down to a stub function in the kernel that returns -EINVAL |
| 20:34.35 | Chox | nice. |
| 20:34.46 | ecraven | ... ;-/ |
| 20:35.08 | ecraven | well, i can resume, but it gets stuck somewhere, problems on debian :( |
| 20:35.25 | Chox | a problem in Debian? nooooooooooo! |
| 20:35.43 | mwester | ecraven: the set of valid interrrupts that trigger a resume are hard-coded into the kernel. |
| 20:36.03 | mwester | You cannot change them with any user-space action. |
| 20:36.08 | ecraven | mwester: because it has to be like this, or because it is implemented like this? |
| 20:36.18 | mwester | This is the way the hardware works. |
| 20:36.38 | mwester | An interrupt is required to begin the power-up sequence; the bootloader and the resume code do the rest. |
| 20:36.39 | cjb | mwester: that's not really true. |
| 20:36.56 | cjb | mwester: the power management unit could be reprogrammed from userspace if kernelspace allowed it to be. |
| 20:37.18 | cjb | ie. /sys/power/wakeup_triggers could accept echo {0,1} to entries for each wakeup device. |
| 20:37.21 | malik1972 | lpotter: what is cool?;-) |
| 20:37.49 | cjb | (so, I claim that this is how the software works, and not how the hardware works.) |
| 20:37.50 | mwester | cjb: I'm not into "splitting hairs" -- theorectically one could, with sufficient hardware assistance, implement anything. The issue is what the standard kernel actually *DOES* implement. |
| 20:38.08 | cjb | mwester: right. which is different than what the hardware implements. |
| 20:38.26 | lpotter | malik1972: <malik1972> lpotter: meanwhile i localized some stability issues, in many cases incoming sms cause them when the neo is suspended |
| 20:38.27 | mwester | Whatever. Either people want assistance with an issue, or they want to argue. |
| 20:38.40 | smhar | how to ssh to the OM in qemu from the debian host? what is the IP, username and password? |
| 20:38.53 | mwester | ecraven did not ask a question about what could be done if the kernel were to be rewritten. |
| 20:38.56 | ecraven | ssh root@192.168.0.202 |
| 20:38.57 | ecraven | no password |
| 20:39.01 | malik1972 | lpotter: thats not so easy as one thinks because ... |
| 20:39.05 | Chox | mwester: I want to argue. |
| 20:39.12 | cjb | mwester: I don't mean to argue unnecessarily. If ecraven wants to set the wakeup interrupt mask from userspace, I think that is possible with a modicum of coding to expose the mask to userspace. |
| 20:39.24 | cjb | (We do exactly this for OLPC.) |
| 20:39.27 | mwester | Then do so, and instruct ecraven on how to use your kernel. |
| 20:39.31 | mwester | Regards. |
| 20:39.46 | Chox | the default password with the image on the Debian page is in fact, "openmoko" |
| 20:39.53 | Chox | as it says :p |
| 20:40.10 | ecraven | oh, i thought you were on a debian system, wanting to log into an FR |
| 20:40.27 | malik1972 | lpotter: if the fr does not wake up from a call, my provider sends an sms with a note that i missed the call, the fr freezes and i get this note some hours later |
| 20:40.40 | Chox | oh, "Debian host". my fault :p |
| 20:40.55 | Chox | see the USB Networking page instead. Also my fault :-) |
| 20:40.56 | lpotter | heh |
| 20:41.03 | Chox | takes all blame |
| 20:43.14 | malik1972 | lpotter: in the beginning i thought that the incoming call frozed the fr ... another problem: using an own ringtone/mp3 takes to long, pressing answer is problematic as qtopia does not react immediately |
| 20:43.49 | smhar | I am confused. I have the FR image running, but there are no applications, not a single one, and not a way to install one |
| 20:43.54 | lpotter | well, qtopia is slow t answer anyway ;( |
| 20:44.09 | ecraven | smhar: use ssh to log in, run opkg update, then opkg install <package> ;) |
| 20:44.29 | madjo | which image? :) |
| 20:45.12 | malik1972 | lpotter: 2xanswer=hang up |
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| 20:45.50 | malik1972 | lpotter: i switched back to the original ringtone:-) |
| 20:45.52 | smhar | ecraven: to ssh I need to connect through the 'virtual' usb networking, right? is ther eanother way too? |
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| 20:46.02 | madjo | in 2007.2 if you hang up.. it's only on your side of the conversation.. the other side will get a busy signal |
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| 20:46.32 | ecraven | smhar: you can use bluetooth or wifi, but those are not automatically initialized on the standard images |
| 20:46.41 | ajbrun | has anyone here had problems with their gps not connecting at all? |
| 20:46.44 | ecraven | so usb it is, except if you set it up differently |
| 20:47.02 | ecraven | ajbrun: yes, most of us, do you have an sd card in? did you update your kernel recently? |
| 20:47.28 | ajbrun | i've not done the kernel yet |
| 20:47.34 | ajbrun | and i've tried with and without sd |
| 20:47.41 | abraxa_ | madjo: 2007.2 is dead :) |
| 20:47.52 | ajbrun | can i do the kernel now, or will i get 404's atm? |
| 20:47.54 | madjo | it's the most stable version I have tried |
| 20:48.09 | madjo | just a sec, ajbrun ...I'm trying that right now:) |
| 20:48.16 | ajbrun | is ASU the 'best' to use atm? |
| 20:48.27 | ajbrun | best = fastest/smoothest |
| 20:48.35 | madjo | couldn't get the GSM part to work |
| 20:48.56 | madjo | it's almost ready... |
| 20:48.59 | abraxa_ | ajbrun: FSO is, I'd say (aside from pyneo, which isn't quite public atm) |
| 20:49.22 | ajbrun | is the 'official' version not going to be asu though? |
| 20:49.24 | madjo | only the om-gta02/packages.gz is missing, ajbrun |
| 20:49.35 | ajbrun | kk ty madjo |
| 20:50.02 | madjo | well at least that's what I get from opkg update |
| 20:50.03 | madjo | :) |
| 20:50.08 | madjo | could be that more packages are missing |
| 20:50.44 | ajbrun | have to attempt my 1st kernel update then :) |
| 20:51.44 | madjo | I'd wait a bit |
| 20:52.20 | ajbrun | oh how come? |
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| 20:54.12 | madjo | because not everything seems to be there yet... |
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| 20:55.35 | ajbrun | i've just seen a new SHR distro on the wiki - from what i've heard, asu is going to be the official release eventually, whilst FSO is the smoothest to run atm? |
| 20:57.17 | madjo | if I could get ASU to run stably... I'd run it :) |
| 20:58.22 | ajbrun | i see - i think i'll try FSO next then. Just want a feel of what's what and the differences between them all |
| 20:58.42 | ajbrun | but i want gps working 1st really - just hope it's not a hardware fault |
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| 21:04.10 | madjo | how to install anything java and mobile-java related... :) (try to install 'cacao' and you get cries about a missing libgcc-s1 :) ) |
| 21:04.41 | malik1972 | what about jalimo |
| 21:05.02 | madjo | could try that |
| 21:05.31 | madjo | I added their repos already |
| 21:05.43 | madjo | # opkg install jalimo |
| 21:05.43 | madjo | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 21:06.08 | madjo | jamvm then |
| 21:06.19 | madjo | also missing that libgcc-s1 |
| 21:06.27 | malik1972 | try --force... |
| 21:06.43 | mmaestri | javafx anyone? |
| 21:06.48 | madjo | nah... I think I need to wait till all packages are back on openmoko's buildhost:) |
| 21:06.54 | malik1972 | force-depends |
| 21:07.27 | malik1972 | does https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Packages not work? |
| 21:07.33 | madjo | I first want to make a backup of my current setup, before I do that |
| 21:07.46 | malik1972 | good idea |
| 21:08.32 | madjo | shutting down the phone... now :) |
| 21:09.19 | madjo | now what were those commands again (goes and checks the wiki |
| 21:10.11 | madjo | btw, does anyone know if backing up still is broken? |
| 21:10.22 | ecraven | you can netcat your mtd partitions |
| 21:10.36 | madjo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup :) |
| 21:12.08 | dbmoodb_ | ok guys wtf ? cron isn't able to be installed wtf is this ? |
| 21:12.13 | dbmoodb_ | bah |
| 21:12.18 | dbmoodb_ | opkg install cron -- error 2 |
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| 21:13.30 | feydreva | hey |
| 21:13.56 | dbmoodb_ | btw doe ringtones have to be in wav format ? |
| 21:14.52 | ecraven | with pulseaudio, yes |
| 21:15.08 | madjo | I can't even grab a backup :( |
| 21:15.26 | dbmoodb_ | noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :( --- ah ok so how does one convert oggs to waves rofl |
| 21:15.43 | dbmoodb_ | doesn't like pulse audoi |
| 21:15.59 | feydreva | does someone use the FSO dialer ? |
| 21:16.17 | mmaestri | feydreva: i've used it |
| 21:16.27 | feydreva | i have some can of bug to it .. |
| 21:16.33 | feydreva | I can reach my voicemail... |
| 21:16.42 | feydreva | but it asks for a password like 1234# |
| 21:16.54 | feydreva | and the 1234 and the # char are not in the same page, |
| 21:17.07 | feydreva | you have to press shift to acces the # |
| 21:17.08 | feydreva | so |
| 21:17.28 | feydreva | so each time, the voicemail tells me, please answer the password again... |
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| 21:17.29 | mmaestri | huh? |
| 21:17.32 | feydreva | and finally hangs up |
| 21:18.09 | feydreva | mmaestri, don't you have a password for your voicemail ? |
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| 21:18.35 | dbmoodb_ | feydreva: no |
| 21:18.48 | dbmoodb_ | we don't why --- a "phone" password is secre now ? |
| 21:18.51 | mmaestri | feydreva: i have |
| 21:18.52 | dbmoodb_ | secure* |
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| 21:19.29 | mmaestri | but the dialer doesn' t seem to have numbers at one "page" and # on another |
| 21:19.31 | feydreva | so anyway.. with the current FSO dialer, and the current FSO keyboard.. I cannot enter my 4 digit + #.. |
| 21:19.48 | feydreva | it fails all the time... |
| 21:20.15 | mmaestri | are you using qwerty keyboard to dial...? |
| 21:20.18 | feydreva | mmaestri, hum... if you go to the nomal keyboard, you do not have number, the qwerty, do not have the # |
| 21:20.25 | feydreva | the number keyboard, do not have the # |
| 21:20.44 | feydreva | you can have the # from the number keyboard by pressing shift |
| 21:20.58 | feydreva | I m sure if I have the number, and # on the same page, it could work... |
| 21:21.04 | mmaestri | feydreva: the dialer in zhone has the numbers AND the #, as any keypad |
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| 21:21.37 | feydreva | mmaestri, when you call the voicemail.. the dialer disappears.. |
| 21:21.57 | feydreva | you have Voicemail written, with 2 button : hang up or Hold |
| 21:22.04 | mmaestri | feydreva: good point |
| 21:22.26 | mmaestri | not a big voicemail user :P |
| 21:22.33 | feydreva | so I need the number, the * and the # still here... |
| 21:22.40 | feydreva | otherwise.. it s a useless dialer,,, |
| 21:23.17 | feydreva | i guess i m gonna pen a bug.. |
| 21:23.24 | mmaestri | actually, you need zhone designed in a way that you can still use the keypad when calling |
| 21:23.50 | mmaestri | like a button onscreen to invoke the dialer |
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| 21:25.02 | feydreva | hum |
| 21:25.11 | ecraven | anyone here working with erlang on the neo? |
| 21:25.30 | feydreva | mmaestri, hum no doesn;t work |
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| 21:27.13 | mmaestri | feydreva: what doesn't work? i was suggesting a "feature" on zhone, not pointing a way to make it |
| 21:27.18 | feydreva | btw, does okpg works today ? |
| 21:27.26 | feydreva | mmaestri, ah ok :) sorry :) |
| 21:27.54 | mmaestri | it didn't worked a few hours ago |
| 21:27.58 | feydreva | mmaestri, I aggre with you, we need a way to have the dialer back |
| 21:29.10 | mmaestri | feydreva: well... there must be a zhone-request mailing list, right...? |
| 21:30.42 | feydreva | mmaestri, why not opening a bug/request on the openmoko tracs ? that s the use of it no ? (taged as FSO |
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| 21:33.23 | danw_ | anyone got any thoughts about sound working after resume? |
| 21:34.02 | madjo | the repos are still not entirely up. |
| 21:34.09 | rooly | who called |
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| 21:34.26 | ritz | thank you for openmoko, i love it |
| 21:34.58 | rooly | needs to get a camera out |
| 21:35.41 | mmaestri | feydreva: perhaps |
| 21:35.58 | danw_ | does anyone else have sound coming back on after suspend? |
| 21:36.36 | mmaestri | feydreva: so file that request...it seems a useful idea |
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| 21:37.10 | xmpp | a lot of things often come back randomly with the moko |
| 21:37.11 | tkep | yay! repos seem up |
| 21:37.25 | mmaestri | tkep: which repos? |
| 21:37.43 | El_Senator | tkep: hmmm... i don't think it's complete yet |
| 21:37.50 | El_Senator | i'm missing python-pygtk |
| 21:37.59 | tkep | armv4t and all |
| 21:38.03 | tkep | not all of them yet :( |
| 21:38.14 | feydreva | I jsut did :) I consider it has a bug.. beeing able to send number # or * is a basic dialer function (voicemail, and other phone services, sometimes phone payment etc etc etc) |
| 21:38.16 | El_Senator | but at least something is happening :) |
| 21:38.24 | tkep | not all of them yet :( |
| 21:38.30 | tkep | i am missing it too, lol |
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| 21:38.45 | cozub | evening |
| 21:39.07 | Wonka | being able to "call" *100# is essential to checking the amount left on many prepaid SIMs here |
| 21:39.40 | feydreva | Wonka, I think that would work |
| 21:39.41 | cozub | I just unpacked the neo, set up usb networking, did a naive upgrade... and ended up with a phone that doesn't boot |
| 21:39.56 | mmaestri | Wonka: that's not a problem |
| 21:39.57 | cozub | I just see some error messages flutted by :-/ |
| 21:40.04 | cozub | flutter |
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| 21:40.06 | Wonka | okay :) |
| 21:40.16 | Wonka | so you mean sending DTMF tones? |
| 21:40.27 | trix | yeah my freerunner doesn't boot anymore after updating it last night |
| 21:40.33 | ronny | btw, are there any plans to fix the boot-times? (3 minutes are kinda pain) |
| 21:40.36 | trix | no error the screen just goes black |
| 21:40.47 | Wonka | cozub: you should still be able to reflash it with dfu-util |
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| 21:40.54 | mmaestri | Wonka: zhone manages to do that. what you need is to have the keypad up |
| 21:40.54 | cozub | yeah... |
| 21:40.59 | ronny | trix: kernel update mess up |
| 21:41.00 | cozub | so the current kernel is broken? |
| 21:41.03 | madjo | hmmm.. gps not working here :S at least the AGPS diagnostic tool is unable to get a fix within 1 and a half minute |
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| 21:41.16 | Wonka | cozub: no idea. |
| 21:41.21 | madjo | 100 failed fixes out of 100 |
| 21:41.24 | Wonka | cozub: my current kernel works. |
| 21:41.30 | trix | ronny do you know whether they released an updated, working one after that? |
| 21:41.32 | cozub | hm |
| 21:41.40 | trix | or are people going back a few days |
| 21:41.44 | mmaestri | gps under fso is not working properly |
| 21:41.56 | madjo | gps under 2007.2 neither |
| 21:41.59 | mmaestri | or i am not able to make it work |
| 21:42.02 | ronny | trix: no idea |
| 21:42.13 | ronny | trix: opkg is completely broken here |
| 21:42.24 | trix | ok, thx for the info ronny |
| 21:42.26 | mmaestri | ronny: fso? |
| 21:42.36 | Wonka | cozub: i've got kernel 2:2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r1 here and that one runs fine. |
| 21:42.54 | ronny | mmaestri: fso?? |
| 21:43.07 | mmaestri | which image do you use |
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| 21:43.26 | madjo | the openmoko repos are filling up again... slowly |
| 21:43.37 | ronny | mmaestri: Openmoko-Freerunner-20080424-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 21:43.44 | cozub | Wonka: I yeh have to get up to speed with all this, thX anyway |
| 21:43.52 | cozub | I'm off to read wiki :) |
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| 21:44.13 | mmaestri | which opkg version/revision? |
| 21:44.19 | ronny | mom |
| 21:44.19 | Wonka | cozub: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 21:44.48 | cozub | I already crunched the first one :) |
| 21:44.48 | ronny | opkg version 0.99.163 |
| 21:44.50 | cozub | thX |
| 21:45.08 | mmaestri | ronny: ups....very old version |
| 21:45.37 | ronny | yeah |
| 21:45.55 | ronny | opgraded only opkg now |
| 21:46.12 | ronny | now dropbear |
| 21:46.31 | feydreva | mmaestri, my gps worked fine this morning with fso... |
| 21:46.33 | ronny | now everything else |
| 21:46.39 | ronny | hope it will work |
| 21:47.16 | mmaestri | feydreva: using gpsd? |
| 21:48.40 | feydreva | using tangogps |
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| 21:49.44 | mmaestri | yeah, but tangogps needs some help to work. usually it's gpsd |
| 21:50.11 | feydreva | k |
| 21:50.14 | mmaestri | but in fso i thought that it was done through gypsy |
| 21:50.25 | Wonka | i played with that agps stuff lately |
| 21:50.38 | Wonka | AssistNow Online works fine |
| 21:50.45 | Wonka | but AssistNow Offline does not. |
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| 21:51.10 | trix | yuck: Starting download: [######dfu_download error -71 |
| 21:51.13 | Wonka | the ubx packet telling the chip to ask for missing almanach data is NAKed |
| 21:51.22 | mmaestri | Wonka: AssistNow? |
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| 21:52.11 | Wonka | mmaestri: http://www.u-blox.com/services/index.html |
| 21:54.27 | abraxa_ | trix: Your battery might be almost empty |
| 21:54.39 | mmaestri | ok, it's an agps implementation. |
| 21:55.08 | trix | abraxa i read about some of those problems, but have had it tethered to usb since last night |
| 21:55.10 | trix | hmm |
| 21:55.20 | trix | remove battery, connect to usb, then insert battery right? |
| 21:56.00 | Wonka | mmaestri: the "online" version works by getting a data packet with current time, almanach and ephemeris information for an approximated position and feeding that to the gps chip. that one works fine. |
| 21:56.16 | Wonka | mmaestri: problem is, it only works with internet connection. |
| 21:56.28 | Wonka | mmaestri: the "offline" version i do not get to work. |
| 21:56.53 | feydreva | can someone give me what he has on is /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf please ? |
| 21:56.54 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rcdc2a9f2112b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (6 files in 4 dirs): |
| 21:56.54 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Introduce safesplit and start using it |
| 21:56.54 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: safesplit is like split, but doesn't split anything in between |
| 21:56.54 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: quotation signs |
| 21:57.13 | Wonka | mmaestri: the 06 01 message turning on the 0b 32 packets is NAKed, and there's no reaction on a 0b 50 packet. |
| 21:58.33 | abraxa_ | trix: I don't think it matters really |
| 21:58.36 | trix | would NOR Flash going black screen right away indicate a battery problem? |
| 21:58.44 | trix | before any DFU has been run |
| 22:00.47 | abraxa_ | trix: I would assume so :) |
| 22:01.08 | abraxa_ | When in doubt, use the wall charger |
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| 22:01.44 | trix | oh yeah |
| 22:01.45 | trix | hah |
| 22:01.48 | trix | forgot i had one of those. |
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| 22:02.10 | Wonka | lol |
| 22:02.24 | feydreva | what are the repositories for the fso ? (to configure opkg for it) |
| 22:03.06 | trix | that's the problem, evidently. cool beans. unfortunately i already erased the kernel |
| 22:03.22 | trix | thanks for the help abraxa |
| 22:03.50 | abraxa_ | trix: You're welcome |
| 22:04.49 | cozub | hm, flashing uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin didn't help, so I guess it must be the root fs |
| 22:05.33 | madjo | I hope that it'll be possible to make backups of the rootfs and kernel and uboot again, soon. |
| 22:06.12 | cozub | btw. I see "ADCRDY pcf50633_irq: entering(irq=53, pcf=something): scheduling work ..." being repeatedly printed on display |
| 22:07.07 | feydreva | Does the original U-boot sand the last kernel support ext3 ? (just to be able read, write, and mount as /home) |
| 22:07.10 | cozub | as if X tried to start up among this mess, I saw some X-like spwe being mixed with the messages ^ |
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| 22:07.45 | lpotter | hmm what happened to th edaily freerunner builds? |
| 22:08.28 | madjo | they're building :) |
| 22:08.40 | Yashy | For some reason when I get an IP via wifi I can't ssh into the phone. However if I ssh out of the phone, the next time I try to ssh into the phone it works? |
| 22:09.08 | Chox | didn't you write the oh-so-wonderful Wireless page? Oh, wait, never mind :p |
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| 22:09.45 | madjo | I'm off to bed |
| 22:09.47 | madjo | night all |
| 22:09.54 | abraxa_ | cozub: The PCF50633 messages are kernel debug output |
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| 22:10.35 | cozub | abraxa_ hm, so that's normal? |
| 22:10.47 | cozub | maybe I didn't nocie that before; either way X doesn't seem to start |
| 22:10.55 | cozub | yet the console is quite flooded with those messages ^ |
| 22:11.04 | linuxxr | i believe ive isolated the problem with the sims not registering |
| 22:11.07 | abraxa_ | cozub: Perfectly normal, yeah. X not starting, on the other hand... |
| 22:11.26 | El_Senator | i was wondering - is it common that the wifi is extremely unstable? i can get an IP about 1 out of 50 times, and after that, when i ping google.com it only goes through every 30 secs or so. I've tried two different AP's with same result, and two different FreeRunners. |
| 22:11.39 | cozub | abraxa_: I'll tro to get into the phone over ssh... |
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| 22:12.58 | cozub | abraxa_: thx for poinitng it out |
| 22:14.20 | linuxxr | at&t offers several sims an when u llook closely (sorry chocky) the brass contacts are offset to oe side (on the ones that dont work) an the good ones are more to the center |
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| 22:15.50 | linuxxr | there was a link to some sim pictures with smiley faces that should show this |
| 22:16.48 | linuxxr | 1 had a 71234 g that was offset an now i have a 71234 o that works every reboot |
| 22:17.05 | linuxxr | an its more centered |
| 22:19.25 | linuxxr | aanybody know where that wiki page are |
| 22:20.36 | linuxxr | i have reboot 3 times noe an it hooks up every time now |
| 22:20.49 | feydreva | ah ah tango gps is fun.. i mean, i like seeing all those openmoko user on the map |
| 22:21.05 | linuxxr | before it would only connect after several reboots |
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| 22:25.01 | linuxxr | i believe the problem lies with the sim holder slide brkt. lip was touching the contacts on the sim an possibly shorting the circuit |
| 22:25.14 | Yashy | El_Senator: none of the software is very stable at this stage. |
| 22:25.28 | linuxxr | phone works though |
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| 22:26.38 | El_Senator | Yashy: ok :) i don't mind it, I was just curious as to why it didn't say anything about being unstable at the WLAN wiki page. But i guess i could add that myself |
| 22:31.55 | KeyserSoze | I'd like to hook up a serial port to my Neo 1973. From what I've read on wiki.openmoko.org, there is no spare available serial port, not even on an internal debug connector. anyone have a link to the device schematic so i can verify that? |
| 22:32.37 | lindi- | KeyserSoze: why not use usb serial dongle? ;) |
| 22:33.08 | mjr | that'd probably be the easiest way... |
| 22:33.11 | KeyserSoze | yeah, that was gonna be my 2nd choice. I was just reading up on host vs. device issues on the wiki |
| 22:34.19 | ozzloy | KeyserSoze: usual suspects? |
| 22:34.24 | KeyserSoze | yeah |
| 22:34.30 | ozzloy | word |
| 22:34.47 | dbmoodb_ | ozzloy: wild |
| 22:35.11 | ozzloy | dbmoodb_: thanks |
| 22:35.15 | KeyserSoze | what i'm going to do is interface to ANT sensors (like garmin heart rate monitor, foot pod, bike cadence speed), from the phone |
| 22:36.20 | KeyserSoze | i got a little ANT module that talks over a serial port for $25 (http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8565), but I also have the USB ANT stick that came with my garmin watch |
| 22:36.32 | KeyserSoze | which if i'm going to use USB anyway, will be a lot simpler |
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| 22:37.11 | mjr | no kidding |
| 22:37.12 | KeyserSoze | ( http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-010-10999-00-USB-ANT-Stick/dp/B000UO9KSY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1217630206&sr=8-1 ) |
| 22:37.21 | mjr | assuming you can talk to it, of course |
| 22:37.48 | KeyserSoze | i already found a guy who wrote apps to read heart rate in real time, and get data logs |
| 22:37.58 | KeyserSoze | (on a linux pc, with the garmin usb ant stick) |
| 22:38.09 | mjr | well, no problem then presumably |
| 22:38.19 | tim_abell_ | w00t, hello fellow moko-ers. I'm elated after receiving my long awaited freerunner. http://timwise.wikispaces.com/my+neo+freerunner |
| 22:38.32 | mjr | I mean, it's not like the Neo isn't a Linux PC) |
| 22:38.35 | tim_abell_ | just wanted to say hi, and thanks for all the fish ;) |
| 22:39.03 | tim_abell_ | chases tail excitedly |
| 22:39.14 | linuxxr | For Forerunner 50 |
| 22:39.22 | linuxxr | thats funny |
| 22:41.28 | El_Senator | tim_abell_: yep, it really is a marvelous toy :D |
| 22:42.37 | tim_abell_ | who needs stability when you have a root shell over ssh! |
| 22:42.54 | El_Senator | exactly! |
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| 22:43.39 | El_Senator | being able to ssh to my cell phone is almost worth the price in itself :D |
| 22:44.07 | mjr | almost? _almost_? |
| 22:44.12 | El_Senator | heheh |
| 22:44.18 | mjr | you wound us with your words |
| 22:44.22 | linuxxr | im just ha0pp with a working phone at this point |
| 22:45.03 | linuxxr | mjr u have a brick? |
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| 22:45.24 | linuxxr | no? |
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| 22:47.36 | rooly | alright |
| 22:47.37 | rooly | there we go |
| 22:47.46 | rooly | got a program running from my pc to my phone |
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| 22:50.01 | rooly | i made a special script: bascially in an executable .sh, "DISPLAY=192.168.0.202:0 $1" |
| 22:50.25 | tim_abell_ | funnily enough my phone arrived on the same day as http://xkcd.com/456/ . Coincidence? I think not... |
| 22:50.43 | rooly | lol, mine, the day before |
| 22:52.47 | Yashy | For some reason when I get an IP via wifi I can't ssh into the phone. However if I ssh out of the phone, the next time I try to ssh into the phone it works? |
| 22:53.44 | rooly | i dunno Yashy. so far i've been pretty damned lucky |
| 22:54.19 | rooly | my biggest problem was my own firewall |
| 22:55.48 | rooly | hmm |
| 22:55.58 | rooly | the ps3 controller has batteries |
| 22:56.17 | rooly | meaning it would only need a m2m small usb wire |
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| 22:59.00 | lindi- | Yashy: routing |
| 23:00.53 | rooly | ok |
| 23:01.04 | rooly | why does the keyboard spout random characters at times? |
| 23:01.27 | rooly | and it's not only the included one, "multi-input" or whatever, the matchbox keyboard does it too |
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| 23:07.18 | lindi- | ircing with his keyboard is not very fast |
| 23:11.22 | ozzloy | lindi-: heh |
| 23:11.42 | ozzloy | lindi-: congrats on getting your neo networking |
| 23:13.37 | lindi- | this is over wlan now |
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| 23:14.32 | linuxxr | is it only at&t that had sim issues? |
| 23:14.54 | linuxxr | or was t mobile doing it to? |
| 23:15.10 | Chox | I don't recall anyone seeing issues with TMobile |
| 23:15.19 | Chox | certainly lots of AT&T people have had problems |
| 23:15.23 | mmaestri | is there a special way to upgrade opkg? |
| 23:15.33 | mmaestri | i mean, you have the package |
| 23:15.37 | Chox | still at it :p |
| 23:15.44 | mmaestri | yeeeeeeeeeeeah |
| 23:15.51 | Chox | why don't you do what I did? |
| 23:15.57 | mmaestri | i have the right package |
| 23:15.59 | mmaestri | but |
| 23:16.17 | mmaestri | when i try to install it... |
| 23:16.30 | mmaestri | it segfaults as usual |
| 23:16.32 | Chox | Took a .tgz from 2007.2 build, then unpacked it on desktop, and transferred over /usr/bin/opkg* and /usr/lib/libopkg* |
| 23:16.44 | mmaestri | ok |
| 23:18.50 | lindi- | update still gives 404 :( i just wanted mplayer |
| 23:21.02 | UndrWater | lindi-: 404 for the .sig files? |
| 23:21.44 | kd8ikt | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-August/000538.html |
| 23:21.52 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.14 | kd8ikt | gleamed from the getting started with your freerunner page |
| 23:22.50 | kd8ikt | you could try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories |
| 23:23.40 | rooly | wow |
| 23:23.44 | rooly | the gsm antenna is HUGE |
| 23:24.00 | rooly | no wonder i get such great reception in my relatively dead-zone house |
| 23:24.19 | Chox | likewise |
| 23:24.28 | Chox | Razr gets nuttin' |
| 23:24.44 | rooly | not to mention, we can manually up the power of the gsm if need be... |
| 23:24.50 | rooly | what withall the linux and stuff |
| 23:25.25 | mwester | rooly: no you can't - the GSM is closed. |
| 23:25.33 | rooly | aww |
| 23:25.36 | rooly | no powerups? |
| 23:25.54 | rooly | no blue beam instead of the purple lightning? |
| 23:26.15 | Chox | the LED can be made to go purple |
| 23:26.29 | Chox | and there's the laser on the stylus |
| 23:26.29 | rooly | wonders if anyone got that reference |
| 23:26.55 | Chox | not exactly, no. sounds familiar though. some bad movie. |
| 23:27.54 | mmaestri | rooly: ghostbusters? |
| 23:28.22 | rooly | actually, i was referring to an old "plane" game for the ps1 |
| 23:28.26 | rooly | raiden X iirc |
| 23:28.34 | Chox | you lost me at the PS1 bit. |
| 23:28.46 | rooly | ya know, you've got a plane, you shot down other planes, tanks, and boats |
| 23:28.52 | mmaestri | you lost me at the PSx bit. |
| 23:28.53 | rooly | there are bosses at the ends of levels |
| 23:29.02 | rooly | oy, oh well |
| 23:29.18 | rooly | i guess i'm the only one old enough and young enough to remember those good ol' ps1 games |
| 23:30.06 | Chox | I never owned a console |
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| 23:32.02 | kd8ikt | tombraider |
| 23:32.04 | mmaestri | i had a dinacom once. it was a freaking 8-bit machine that played the most awful games ever. |
| 23:32.10 | rooly | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raiden_DX |
| 23:32.13 | rooly | sounds about right |
| 23:32.21 | mmaestri | and of course, my commodore 64c |
| 23:32.28 | rooly | my buddy owned it |
| 23:32.39 | mw| | is it just me, or has openmoko-agpsui went missing in the 2007.2 repository ? |
| 23:33.10 | kd8ikt | all repo's are AWOL at the moment |
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| 23:33.34 | rooly | http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/raidendx.htm |
| 23:33.37 | mmaestri | Chox: call me a dumb ass, but i can't find a tgz opkg on buildhost |
| 23:33.38 | rooly | there are some pictures |
| 23:33.42 | mw| | just wanted to mention that one :-) |
| 23:34.46 | rooly | loaded up the scaredycat repos |
| 23:34.55 | Chox | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080801/Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080801-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz |
| 23:35.02 | Chox | how about that one :o |
| 23:35.14 | Chox | not sure where all the old stuff went |
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| 23:37.04 | mmaestri | sh*t...thx Chox. |
| 23:41.11 | stevenS1 | how do I add items to the launcher with the ASU? |
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