| 00:00.10 | kd8ikt | throws is stylus in the garbage |
| 00:00.10 | AntonTakk | kd8ikt: fso milestone2? |
| 00:00.11 | peepsalot | AntonTakk, the one in 2007.2. that scrolls around using the finger |
| 00:00.54 | kd8ikt | yeah july 30 build |
| 00:01.09 | peepsalot | it's just incredibly annoying how slow this scrolling is |
| 00:01.29 | peepsalot | if you move your finger just a little too much, you gotta wait another 20 seconds for the damn thing to stop |
| 00:01.50 | kd8ikt | yeah it needs to be more responsive |
| 00:02.02 | peepsalot | i would like to help, but i'm pretty clueless as to where I would even start |
| 00:02.17 | kd8ikt | the source will guide you |
| 00:02.38 | AntonTakk | kd8ikt: i don't see it on buildhost, got a link? |
| 00:02.53 | peepsalot | kd8ikt, i don't know where to find the source for this menu app |
| 00:03.04 | kd8ikt | today |
| 00:04.34 | kd8ikt | openmoko-today |
| 00:05.08 | kd8ikt | damn my inbox from the mailinglist has almost reached 1k |
| 00:05.16 | kd8ikt | (unread) |
| 00:05.45 | CVirus | I reached 24,000 E-mails today |
| 00:05.50 | CVirus | from 7-10-2004 |
| 00:06.15 | ajbrun | has it really been going that long? |
| 00:06.21 | ajbrun | that's pretty impressive tbh |
| 00:06.40 | kd8ikt | or is it called openmoko-today2? |
| 00:06.52 | AntonTakk | nevermind - found it |
| 00:06.55 | peepsalot | kd8ikt, i think i found it. http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/browser/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2 |
| 00:07.00 | peepsalot | i think today is the calendar app |
| 00:08.44 | AntonTakk | kd8ikt: i don't see the gta02 image? |
| 00:08.59 | kd8ikt | for what |
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| 00:09.31 | kd8ikt | fso? gtoa2's jffs is the .summary file |
| 00:09.47 | kd8ikt | misnamed or somethin |
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| 00:10.02 | AntonTakk | oh, ok, i'll try it, thanks |
| 00:10.11 | kd8ikt | i flashed the gtoa1's jffs a few times before Ainulindale pointed that out to me |
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| 00:10.30 | kd8ikt | if you notice they are the same size roughly |
| 00:10.42 | AntonTakk | 6 mb difference |
| 00:10.46 | AntonTakk | close |
| 00:11.10 | AntonTakk | is it making calls reliably? |
| 00:11.31 | kd8ikt | i hardly use my phone so i cant really say |
| 00:11.42 | AntonTakk | pfft :-P |
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| 00:16.14 | kd8ikt | mokomake/sources/openmoko-today2/src/today-launcher.c |
| 00:17.04 | AntonTakk | hope it's at least a reasonably reliable phone/contact list |
| 00:18.02 | kd8ikt | spare me |
| 00:18.09 | AntonTakk | ? |
| 00:18.28 | ieatlint | AntonTakk, it is |
| 00:18.32 | ieatlint | sms is not as reliable |
| 00:18.37 | ieatlint | send always seems to work |
| 00:18.57 | AntonTakk | sms not so terribly important, imho |
| 00:19.01 | kd8ikt | names longer then like 13chars dont save |
| 00:19.03 | ieatlint | receiving doesn't produce a tone, and i've had people tell me they sent a message, me say "uhm, no?" ... reboot the phone, and the message is there |
| 00:19.04 | AntonTakk | at least atm |
| 00:19.17 | ieatlint | kd8ikt, that is probably a limitation of the sim |
| 00:19.18 | AntonTakk | nice |
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| 00:29.28 | peepsalot | mofi rules! |
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| 00:34.06 | kd8jbx | kd8ikt: got listed in the ULS, KrisAbsinthe |
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| 00:41.19 | AntonTakk | wow, fso seems to take quite a while to register to the network |
| 00:41.26 | AntonTakk | but it is very nice :) |
| 00:42.53 | kd8ikt | heh sweeet |
| 00:44.08 | kd8ikt | kd8jbx: can you pickup the fairfield 145.39 repeaeter? or 145.35? |
| 00:44.44 | kd8ikt | http://www.warn.org/ has a nice repeaterlist |
| 00:46.49 | kd8jbx | kd8ikt: sweet thanks, I have to drive back to NY for business, Im glad I got my license before the trip |
| 00:47.07 | kd8jbx | Ill check on those repeaters in a few minutes, can you access your rig |
| 00:47.49 | kd8ikt | yea my crappy handheld |
| 00:48.02 | CVirus | any native german speakers around ? |
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| 00:48.53 | peepsalot | sprechen auf deutsche ist strecht verboten! |
| 00:49.22 | peepsalot | jk, that's about as much german as i know though. and it's probably all wrong |
| 00:49.28 | kd8ikt | wonder if there is a #openmoko-de |
| 00:49.56 | kd8jbx | I speak some german, very basic though |
| 00:50.20 | kd8ikt | most ohio repeaters have a pl tone of 123 |
| 00:50.27 | CVirus | I need a native speaker for a grammar question |
| 00:51.05 | kd8jbx | kd8ikt: ill have to check how to fix that in my radio |
| 00:51.39 | peepsalot | what can be done for a script that makes multiple scp and ssh calls, to avoid entering the password more than once? |
| 00:52.00 | kd8jbx | make the password a string maybe |
| 00:52.25 | kd8jbx | kd8ikt: going to check those repeaters |
| 00:53.51 | peepsalot | can you set the ssh password on the command line? |
| 00:53.53 | SpeedEvil | peepsalot: man ssh |
| 00:54.15 | peepsalot | i was just there, i swear |
| 00:54.40 | SpeedEvil | peepsalot: you copy ~/ssh keys aroudn |
| 00:55.01 | zash | ssh-copy-id! |
| 00:55.43 | zash | ssh-keygen && ssh-copy-id $SOMEHOSTNAME |
| 00:55.54 | SpeedEvil | You copy your own ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to device:~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 00:55.57 | SpeedEvil | or similar |
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| 01:03.25 | kd8jbx_ | kd8ikt: i can hear but the noise is terrible |
| 01:04.30 | kd8ikt | really you heard me? |
| 01:04.36 | kd8ikt | i called out a few times |
| 01:04.38 | peepsalot | what's kd8? |
| 01:04.57 | kd8ikt | its like the crips and bloods peepsalot |
| 01:05.02 | peepsalot | cooool |
| 01:05.06 | kd8jbx_ | I heard alot of stuff, but mostly somthing about food |
| 01:05.16 | kd8ikt | 535? |
| 01:05.24 | kd8jbx_ | peepsalot: its ham radio |
| 01:05.28 | kd8ikt | that sounds like 145.35 crap |
| 01:05.37 | kd8jbx_ | thats where I was |
| 01:05.42 | peepsalot | ah |
| 01:05.55 | kd8jbx_ | you want me to check 145.535 |
| 01:05.57 | kd8ikt | ah i didnt call in that one cause they never shutup for one |
| 01:06.35 | kd8ikt | now if you had a huge arse antenna and boosted the power all the way i bet you could hit it |
| 01:06.59 | kd8jbx_ | I got 65W, just need some yagis |
| 01:07.24 | SpeedEvil | cues the south-park arse-antenna scene. |
| 01:07.33 | kd8ikt | i gave up getting a VX8R for this phone |
| 01:07.56 | kd8ikt | http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/ht/0008.html |
| 01:08.04 | kd8jbx_ | brb ill go check 145.535 |
| 01:08.26 | kd8ikt | ok i'll jump on it for a sec |
| 01:12.03 | kd8jbx_ | kd8ikt: got nothing, didnt expect much lol |
| 01:15.24 | Dave | Joerg :) |
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| 01:19.12 | Yashy | CQ CQ CQ |
| 01:19.26 | pjz | mm? |
| 01:20.20 | kd8jbx_ | Yashy: he he |
| 01:20.38 | kd8ikt | heh did ya hear me on 535? |
| 01:21.01 | kd8jbx_ | kd8ikt: i got nothing on that one |
| 01:21.07 | kd8ikt | oh crap |
| 01:21.17 | kd8ikt | wich could you pickup?' |
| 01:21.34 | kd8jbx_ | 145.390 i believe |
| 01:21.58 | kd8ikt | oh well thats closer to dayton cause 535 is down on the river |
| 01:22.14 | kd8ikt | its further away but higher in the air |
| 01:22.24 | jOERG_rw | Dave: mooo |
| 01:22.54 | kd8jbx_ | is 145.390 a 88.5 pl |
| 01:23.21 | richiefrich | is the The Neo 1973 the old phone ? |
| 01:23.36 | Dave | Hello! :) |
| 01:23.46 | Dave | Joerg, did you hear what happened to me today? :\ |
| 01:23.54 | kd8jbx_ | richiefrich: yes |
| 01:24.03 | richiefrich | kd8jbx_: thats what i thought' |
| 01:24.10 | jOERG_rw | Dave: ? molten FR? |
| 01:24.25 | Dave | :D |
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| 01:24.26 | Dave | prettymuch |
| 01:24.30 | Dave | thing would no longer boot |
| 01:24.49 | Dave | every time I hard reset, it froze on the openmoko orange graphic immediately, and then got very hot |
| 01:24.56 | Dave | and I had to remove the battery to shut it off each time :| |
| 01:25.03 | jOERG_rw | yep, heard kernel is broken in recent immage |
| 01:25.11 | Dave | I eventually flashed NOR. |
| 01:25.13 | Dave | :| |
| 01:25.19 | Dave | So it's a known kernel issue? o_O |
| 01:25.27 | jOERG_rw | nah, flash kernel! ;-) |
| 01:25.34 | Dave | oh, goody. |
| 01:25.41 | Dave | Silliness. |
| 01:25.49 | richiefrich | kd8jbx_: can you tell me the difference in the W.E. freerunner and the one not from Canada> |
| 01:25.50 | jOERG_rw | thats what I seem to remember |
| 01:25.51 | Dave | Well, for a moment I was worried. |
| 01:26.10 | jOERG_rw | go back some days for a good image |
| 01:26.14 | Dave | Whenever my freerunner becomes dead or unresponsive and is extremely hot, I say, OH no! |
| 01:26.18 | Dave | :) |
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| 01:26.39 | Dave | That's what I get for keeping "up to date," eh Joerg? ;) |
| 01:27.09 | jOERG_rw | Dave: the components a lot of them have temp-prot - triggering at sth like 150°C!!! |
| 01:27.20 | Dave | O_O |
| 01:27.23 | Dave | holy crap |
| 01:27.40 | Dave | that's crazy! |
| 01:27.45 | jOERG_rw | what U think is hot, feels cosy to those chips |
| 01:28.17 | Dave | hehe |
| 01:28.20 | Dave | maybe :P |
| 01:28.29 | Dave | but when my screen protector melted last week, I know it was bad :D |
| 01:28.40 | jOERG_rw | HUH??? |
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| 01:28.45 | Dave | I left it in the car |
| 01:28.49 | Dave | bad idea :p |
| 01:28.50 | jOERG_rw | ahhhh |
| 01:28.57 | jOERG_rw | :P |
| 01:29.05 | Dave | I was like holy shit when I got back |
| 01:29.10 | Dave | I'm glad I got back when I did :P |
| 01:29.15 | kd8ikt | omg |
| 01:29.20 | kd8ikt | did it come off? |
| 01:29.29 | Dave | oh, the screen protector? |
| 01:29.32 | kd8ikt | not cause any real dmg? |
| 01:29.42 | Dave | first it bubbled, then curled up, then melted |
| 01:30.01 | Dave | sounds rather exciting, until you factor in potential device damage :P |
| 01:30.11 | kd8ikt | yikes |
| 01:31.43 | Dave | :D |
| 01:31.53 | Dave | mmm... ooey gooey freerunner goodness :p |
| 01:32.02 | kd8jbx_ | kd8ikt: when WARN says" Transmits *.* PL" do i have to set my radio to that |
| 01:33.35 | Dave | uh oh |
| 01:33.44 | Dave | are you guy analogin'? :p |
| 01:34.52 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 01:35.32 | Dave | :P |
| 01:35.37 | kd8ikt | just wait till the apacolypse Dave then we'll see who laughs last |
| 01:35.44 | Dave | haw :p |
| 01:35.49 | kd8ikt | when your precious cellular towers dont function |
| 01:36.04 | Dave | fuck cellular |
| 01:36.14 | Dave | I hope it does go down in some terrorist conspiracy |
| 01:36.19 | Dave | or apocolypse |
| 01:36.23 | kd8jbx_ | lol, when the aliens blast the satellites we shall prevail lol |
| 01:36.25 | Dave | I'll be ready with my SAT phone, thank you :P |
| 01:36.27 | kd8ikt | and i'll be pissed that the gsm firmware is locked |
| 01:36.28 | Dave | oh, pfft :P |
| 01:36.30 | Dave | jerks :P |
| 01:36.44 | Dave | haha aliens... gsm... |
| 01:37.21 | kd8ikt | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,390161,00.html |
| 01:37.44 | kd8ikt | ^--astronaut says aliens are real and govt has known for years |
| 01:37.49 | kd8ikt | lol |
| 01:37.56 | kd8jbx_ | thats funny, |
| 01:38.04 | kd8jbx_ | ......or is it |
| 01:39.14 | kd8ikt | i think he's having a "senior moment" |
| 01:39.59 | kd8jbx_ | kd8ikt: I see what you meant by 535, the radio group |
| 01:40.11 | kd8jbx_ | not 145.535 |
| 01:40.43 | kd8ikt | they never shut up |
| 01:40.49 | kd8ikt | cant ever get a word in |
| 01:40.54 | kd8jbx_ | I noticed that |
| 01:41.12 | kd8ikt | its the cincinnati rumke repeater (garbage) |
| 01:41.38 | kd8ikt | i guess that comes with being the highest antenna |
| 01:41.46 | kd8ikt | so manny people can hit it |
| 01:42.04 | kd8jbx_ | thats true, maybe they should split it into many repeaters |
| 01:42.54 | kd8ikt | kinda why i want to go HF 50mhz and under where there is no need for repeaters and you can reach the world |
| 01:43.36 | kd8jbx_ | kd8ikt: im going to get the money for a HF rig then get extra class. I get some HF bands as a tech class, but not enough lol |
| 01:44.21 | kd8ikt | 6meter sounds like fin cause its just above 50mhz and tech's can use it slightly exhibits the same propegation as HF |
| 01:44.48 | kd8ikt | propagation |
| 01:45.08 | kd8ikt | sporadic E |
| 01:45.19 | kd8jbx_ | cool, sounds good, I want a base station for HF |
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| 01:47.57 | kd8jbx_ | widh hamvention was sooner |
| 01:48.02 | kd8jbx_ | *wish |
| 01:48.13 | Yashy | has been to hamvention a couple times |
| 01:48.27 | Yashy | sooner? It was just a couple months ago :) |
| 01:48.59 | kd8jbx_ | didnt have my license or extra cash then |
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| 01:53.05 | kd8jbx_ | kd8ikt: looks like a small window on 10 meter too |
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| 02:03.30 | *** topic/#openmoko is Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. | Developers should join #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
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| 02:04.57 | ieatlint | a hdd in my NAS died over the weekend, and the warranty ran up on july 13 |
| 02:05.28 | fuzzyt | ieatlint: doh! That hurts. |
| 02:05.40 | ieatlint | opened it up though... turns out it's a 500mhz arm cpu with 256mb ram, a usb host, 2 sata channels and gbit ethernet |
| 02:05.44 | ieatlint | i'm going to have fun :) |
| 02:06.08 | fuzzyt | can you fit it in a case and hold it to your ear!?! :) |
| 02:06.45 | ieatlint | it's already in a case! |
| 02:06.56 | fuzzyt | GA03? |
| 02:07.11 | ieatlint | and if i took out just the mobo, it'd be about 4 inchs by 6 inches |
| 02:07.35 | dcordes | openbronko |
| 02:08.03 | torindel | netburner plus |
| 02:08.11 | fuzzyt | you could put a sata drive on each side of a beer hat! :D |
| 02:08.18 | fuzzyt | nevermind, better for beer. |
| 02:09.16 | ieatlint | the thing runs off 12v, i could put it in my car easily |
| 02:10.12 | ieatlint | oh nice, the drive is under warranty by western digital still |
| 02:10.18 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: car voltage varies from 4V to 16V under 'normal' conditions, -80 to 80V or so in fault conditions. |
| 02:11.08 | ieatlint | heh, that gives me concern about continuing to use my cheap ac inverter for my laptop |
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| 02:11.47 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: just plugging stuff in because it says '12v' on the label is unwise. |
| 02:12.05 | ieatlint | i was more kidding, i've no idea what it'd do with it in my car |
| 02:12.28 | Yanroy | so I found a few posts on the ML about fixing the mic volume, but I've yet to see instructions that actually work for turning up the ear volume... anyone know which of the millions of things in gsmhandset.state is the one? |
| 02:14.05 | ieatlint | oh wait, wow... it has 512mb ram... there's another chip on the other side of the board |
| 02:14.40 | linuxxr | proly registered ram |
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| 02:15.01 | dcordes | ieatlint: why'd your nas want 512 mb ram? |
| 02:16.15 | ieatlint | no idea, but it has two 256mb chips |
| 02:16.26 | SpeedEvil | megabit or byte |
| 02:16.55 | ieatlint | byte |
| 02:17.12 | ieatlint | it did support cups print queues and samba for cifs |
| 02:17.25 | ieatlint | along with ftp, php/web interface and nfs |
| 02:17.47 | ieatlint | (could plug in printers into the usb, or external hdds/flash drives) |
| 02:20.03 | linuxxr | too bad u dont have an iso to put on a new drive |
| 02:20.32 | linuxxr | maybe the warrenty will do that |
| 02:21.02 | Dave | LINTMAN! |
| 02:21.42 | ieatlint | hey dave |
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| 02:22.02 | ieatlint | linuxxr, i can download the image from the company's website, but no bother |
| 02:22.12 | ieatlint | one drive failed, and it mirrored the system partition on both drives |
| 02:22.19 | ieatlint | so with 1 intact drive, i have it |
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| 02:31.16 | pjz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.46 | pjz | ieatlint: what kind of NAS? |
| 02:34.05 | ieatlint | cheap one from hammer storage |
| 02:34.06 | stephelton | anyone seen this (seemingly generated in regards to wifi): ar6000_ioctl_giwscan(): data length 0? |
| 02:34.15 | mmaestri | anyone using FSO milestone 2? |
| 02:36.38 | pjz | mmaestri: gack, is that out already? |
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| 02:39.52 | torindel | anyone tried milestone2 already? |
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| 02:40.18 | torindel | when i press call button is semihangs for 20-25 seconds and then nothing hapens |
| 02:40.26 | torindel | s/is/it/ |
| 02:40.29 | rooly | so... |
| 02:40.38 | rooly | is it bad when a mouse-pointer shows up on the screen? |
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| 02:43.11 | linuxxr | lol |
| 02:43.25 | linuxxr | tell me how to lose that thing |
| 02:44.18 | rooly | is SDL working on the arm architecture? |
| 02:44.25 | rooly | wonders if he can compile anything... |
| 02:49.02 | mmaestri | i'm using FSO now |
| 02:49.26 | torindel | mmaestri: milestone2? |
| 02:49.36 | mmaestri | torindel: yes |
| 02:49.45 | torindel | can you make call? |
| 02:49.56 | mmaestri | haven't tried phone caps because i'm away from a gsm tower... |
| 02:50.12 | mmaestri | i work far away from civilization... |
| 02:50.20 | torindel | just try pressing phone button and see if it opens anything |
| 02:50.29 | mmaestri | it opens |
| 02:50.37 | mmaestri | a dialer |
| 02:50.46 | torindel | for me it just hangs, no contacts menu nor dialler :/ |
| 02:50.55 | mmaestri | it also has sms and contacts from sim |
| 02:51.03 | mmaestri | but something weird happens... |
| 02:51.25 | torindel | for me it doesnt have any sim contacts and adding dont work |
| 02:51.32 | mmaestri | it started ok, but now the screen fades away even when i'm using it |
| 02:51.38 | torindel | let me check sms |
| 02:51.45 | torindel | oh that too |
| 02:52.14 | mmaestri | i have to press aux button to see it again |
| 02:53.08 | mmaestri | it was after i restarted xserver, but don't believe it has something to do with it |
| 02:53.26 | mmaestri | i'll reboot and see what happens |
| 02:53.41 | kd8ikt | is their going to be a latest build of 2007.2 jffs or are they just going to keep posting kernel/uboot only |
| 02:53.58 | kd8ikt | there* |
| 02:54.30 | torindel | kd8ikt: there was semi recent one lately |
| 02:54.42 | torindel | 7/22 |
| 02:55.08 | kd8ikt | thats like a week old |
| 02:55.31 | kd8ikt | is it because the git hasnt changed? |
| 02:57.07 | kd8ikt | i guess i have to build my own |
| 02:57.57 | mmaestri | ...and now it works fine |
| 02:58.03 | torindel | mmaestri: last question, gta01 or gta02? |
| 02:58.10 | mmaestri | perhaps zhone is messing it up? |
| 02:58.15 | mmaestri | torindel: gta02 |
| 02:58.28 | rooly | gta02 ftw |
| 02:58.34 | rooly | hardware opengl woot |
| 02:58.38 | torindel | ok it doesnt like my sim card? -___-; |
| 02:58.48 | SpeedEvil | rooly: not really |
| 02:59.06 | rooly | hush, let me celebrate |
| 02:59.24 | rooly | i'm considering porting my favorite foss 3d engine to it |
| 02:59.34 | SpeedEvil | rooly: hardware 2d accel, and hardware 3D accel in QVGA, over a bus that makes 16 bit ISA look modern. |
| 02:59.47 | rooly | heheh |
| 03:00.02 | SpeedEvil | rooly: 7M/second, and that uses 100% of the CPU. |
| 03:00.03 | torindel | rooly: there isnt any 3d driver and glamo sux |
| 03:00.42 | torindel | and 7M/second is like 11fps |
| 03:00.45 | rooly | says "hush" he's pitching the freerunner to his school |
| 03:00.56 | SpeedEvil | torpor: not at QVGA |
| 03:01.17 | torindel | SpeedEvil: torpor ? |
| 03:01.23 | torindel | -__-;\ |
| 03:01.57 | torindel | and i meant full res (640x480x16bit) |
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| 03:10.09 | rooly | hmph |
| 03:10.14 | rooly | the phone has pretty decent idle time |
| 03:10.54 | torindel | rooly: i.e.? |
| 03:11.09 | rooly | so far, 12 hours or so |
| 03:11.13 | rooly | and i didn't drain it all the way |
| 03:11.19 | rooly | and i played around on it some |
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| 03:12.35 | rooly | does the wifi spontaneously turn itself on? |
| 03:13.13 | peepsalot | don't think so |
| 03:13.30 | rooly | does the power-screen selection display the wrong info then? |
| 03:14.08 | dbmoodb | ah rooly don't drain it al lthe way |
| 03:14.19 | peepsalot | i think it might be on by default, but if you turn it off, afaik it will stay off |
| 03:14.20 | rooly | already read about that dbmoodb |
| 03:15.12 | peepsalot | the mofi project on projects.openmoko.org is pretty nice, was able to connect to my WEP router no problem |
| 03:16.15 | peepsalot | or is it WPA, can't remember |
| 03:16.37 | rooly | just wants to connect to his home router |
| 03:16.40 | rooly | open |
| 03:16.50 | rooly | i read somewhere that its supposed to auto connect to open networks |
| 03:17.16 | kd8ikt | what |
| 03:17.35 | peepsalot | afaik you still have to run an app that does that. don't recall the name of the one in the repos |
| 03:18.17 | kd8ikt | lpotter: i dont think ipkg is trademarked , you must be mistaken |
| 03:18.35 | kd8ikt | lint-wifi? |
| 03:19.04 | rooly | what's the wifi's device name? |
| 03:19.05 | rooly | eth0? |
| 03:19.10 | rooly | or what |
| 03:19.11 | peepsalot | i guess i'm thinking of campwifi that comes with ASU |
| 03:19.13 | kd8ikt | best bet is to just configure wpa_supplicant.conf the way you want and make a lil start script |
| 03:19.36 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: yep |
| 03:19.46 | dbmoodb | or do what i did any just added a usb keyboard :) |
| 03:19.54 | kd8ikt | has his wlan script execed via gpsd |
| 03:20.04 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: got kismet then ? |
| 03:20.09 | kd8ikt | no |
| 03:20.12 | dbmoodb | damn |
| 03:20.25 | dbmoodb | i want my rt73 module then kismet .... then i'm set |
| 03:20.41 | dbmoodb | oh and having a voip application couldn't hurt could it rofl ? |
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| 03:21.26 | kd8ikt | the chip as far as i know cannot be set to promiscuous mode , not to mention kismet probably needs to be patch for speccific ar6k support |
| 03:21.30 | AntonTakk | anyone else using fso milestone2 to make calls? |
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| 03:21.40 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: don't care --= just want to log |
| 03:22.01 | dbmoodb | + like ia said i have my own usb wifi card that need some modules to be built |
| 03:22.30 | aggtrfrad | hei, i just got my neo, which OS would u recommend? |
| 03:22.45 | pjz | aggtrfrad: linux |
| 03:22.50 | aggtrfrad | pfff |
| 03:22.54 | linuxxr | leave it alone |
| 03:23.19 | aggtrfrad | isnt there a newer release from openmoko? |
| 03:23.27 | AntonTakk | aggtrfrad: i have had the best luck with asu, thou it is a bit sluggish - try them all and see what works best for you |
| 03:23.45 | rooly | g'dammit...how do i get a 0 on the terminal |
| 03:24.01 | AntonTakk | rooly: which image? |
| 03:24.04 | linuxxr | hold the stylus on |
| 03:24.13 | rooly | 20080722, iirc |
| 03:24.30 | AntonTakk | rooly: 2007.2, asu, qtopia, fso? |
| 03:24.43 | rooly | 2007.2 |
| 03:25.26 | rooly | the devel from here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/ |
| 03:25.31 | AntonTakk | i think you either need to edit the definition for that key or look up the instructions for installing the qwerty matchbox kb |
| 03:26.05 | rooly | well, since i'm trying to ifconfig my phone so it can use the damned usb-networking... |
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| 03:28.31 | rooly | oh my god |
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| 03:28.44 | rooly | g'damned firestarter was messing it up the whole time |
| 03:29.30 | dbmoodb | is something wrong with the toolchain i can't opkg-target install most annoying |
| 03:30.32 | dbmoodb | ---- the opkg-cl file is not of the existing apparnetly |
| 03:32.06 | rooly | wooo!!! |
| 03:33.19 | rooly | oh, btw, kd8ikt, i just figured out my networking problem from yesterday |
| 03:35.53 | rooly | ok, this is really wierd |
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| 03:36.52 | dbmoodb | rooly: that's the problem ? |
| 03:37.11 | rooly | the problem was that firestarter disallowed the outbound connection |
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| 03:37.21 | rooly | so i had to disable the firewall |
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| 03:37.51 | rooly | but for some reason, altho i can ssh, and i can resolve addresses, i can't seem to get replies from servers |
| 03:37.52 | kgoetz | hi all :) is it posable/sane to mirror the opkg repositories? |
| 03:38.11 | kd8ikt | are you ssh'd via the usb ip? |
| 03:38.34 | kd8ikt | i find it works only after i reconnect to the eth0's ip |
| 03:38.56 | rooly | yeah, kd8ikt |
| 03:39.10 | kd8ikt | eth0 or usb0? |
| 03:40.15 | kd8ikt | i always go a step further and ifconfig usb0 down |
| 03:40.25 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: same |
| 03:40.42 | dbmoodb | vim /etc/resolve.conf ?? |
| 03:41.21 | kd8ikt | for some odd reason the latest fso isnt reliable on recieving calls fo r me so i'm going back to 2007 |
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| 03:41.55 | kd8ikt | love to be able to install the fso keyboard on 2007 |
| 03:42.19 | linuxxr | i did |
| 03:42.23 | rooly | hrm |
| 03:42.28 | rooly | glad i looked at the wiki |
| 03:42.35 | linuxxr | matchbox ugly? |
| 03:42.41 | rooly | because if i would have gotten networking working, i would have broken the os |
| 03:43.06 | kd8ikt | linuxxr: how? |
| 03:43.26 | kd8ikt | know the pkg name? is it just a matter of installing it? |
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| 03:43.40 | linuxxr | went back to 20070424 |
| 03:44.36 | kd8ikt | whatabout the fso keyboard? |
| 03:44.53 | linuxxr | didnt do the keyboard thing i just use matchbox |
| 03:45.29 | linuxxr | u know |
| 03:45.46 | linuxxr | is pidgin ok? |
| 03:46.01 | linuxxr | or is there something lighter |
| 03:46.20 | linuxxr | ~pidgen |
| 03:46.29 | CVirus | ~pidgin |
| 03:46.34 | linuxxr | lol |
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| 03:47.00 | CVirus | i'm sure emesene is lighter http://www.emesene.org/ |
| 03:47.18 | linuxxr | is that wat u use? |
| 03:47.31 | CVirus | no ... I personally use amsn |
| 03:47.46 | CVirus | for the freerunner I'd use emesene or amsn2 when it's released |
| 03:48.37 | linuxxr | will it do yahoo? |
| 03:48.56 | CVirus | no clue |
| 03:49.03 | linuxxr | o |
| 03:50.06 | CVirus | emesene looks pretty neat though |
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| 03:53.36 | linuxxr | is it multi account? |
| 03:55.05 | CVirus | dude .. check the client already .. I don't use it ! |
| 03:55.53 | linuxxr | oo |
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| 04:04.48 | rooly | ok, this is weird |
| 04:04.54 | rooly | i've got networking working |
| 04:05.08 | rooly | except for internet |
| 04:05.15 | rooly | what could be causing that |
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| 04:06.36 | rooly | it seems to be able to resolve addresses |
| 04:06.40 | rooly | but it can't connect |
| 04:07.59 | linuxxr | change /etc/resolv.conf to the /etc/resolv.conf value of your machine |
| 04:08.38 | linuxxr | use vi |
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| 04:11.56 | rooly | right |
| 04:11.58 | rooly | and then? |
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| 04:16.29 | dbmoodb | done ? |
| 04:16.54 | rooly | nope |
| 04:17.05 | rooly | still resolving but no connection |
| 04:19.55 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 04:20.17 | kgoetz | crosses fingers and hopes the FR will get a GPS fix |
| 04:20.21 | linuxxr | ping -c 5 74.125.19.147 |
| 04:20.42 | linuxxr | get anything with that? |
| 04:20.43 | kgoetz | so far, not good :( |
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| 04:21.28 | rooly | network is unreachable |
| 04:22.15 | fuzzyt | rooly: checked routing? |
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| 04:23.33 | kgoetz | hi all. how long should a GPS take to get a fix? i've taken out the sd card |
| 04:23.42 | cjb | kgoetz: ~180 seconds |
| 04:24.09 | cjb | before that, you should see tangogps change from 0/0 to 3/0 or so |
| 04:24.11 | kgoetz | cjb: i think its been that long. i'll give it a few more minutes though |
| 04:24.21 | cjb | (or whatever you're using) |
| 04:24.50 | ronny | imhp agpsgui is nice for getting the first fix |
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| 04:26.03 | cjb | yup, they're both good |
| 04:26.36 | kgoetz | dont seem to be getting a fix :( |
| 04:26.46 | cjb | kgoetz: do you have any sats at all? are you outside? |
| 04:27.20 | kgoetz | cjb: i'm sitting by a (tinted) window. and no, i dont seem to have anything |
| 04:27.43 | cjb | has it ever worked? if not, you might try outside first. |
| 04:28.05 | kgoetz | cjb: tryin for the first time now. |
| 04:29.01 | cjb | maybe your window is thicker than you think :) |
| 04:29.37 | kgoetz | maybe! i'll sit the FR on the window outside. brb. |
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| 04:37.32 | kgoetz | cjb: after a few min outside i picked up 9 sats :) |
| 04:37.48 | kgoetz | now, i need to work out how to get my maps downloading! |
| 04:40.23 | cjb | cool :) |
| 04:40.29 | cjb | in tango, zoom out to encompass the area you want to download |
| 04:40.36 | cjb | tap the screen, choose map download, choose +5 or whatever |
| 04:40.48 | rooly | anyone got the xkcd cybord gps directioneer working yet? |
| 04:40.50 | cjb | before doing that, you might go to config and change the map store location to /media/card/foo |
| 04:41.13 | dbmoodb | cjb: not a bad idea |
| 04:41.15 | cjb | rooly: the GPS-Sight people were interested |
| 04:41.39 | rooly | got his networking working |
| 04:41.50 | rooly | now...i need a decent keyboard |
| 04:42.10 | dbmoodb | so buy one :) |
| 04:42.20 | rooly | software keyboard for the phone |
| 04:42.23 | rooly | any in the repo's? |
| 04:42.26 | fuzzyt | rooly: what was the networking issue? |
| 04:42.37 | rooly | altogether? |
| 04:42.45 | fuzzyt | in the end |
| 04:42.52 | rooly | i forgot to do the first part from the wiki |
| 04:43.01 | peepsalot | is there any iphone-like stopwatch app? |
| 04:43.10 | rooly | plus, my firewall was blocking it at first |
| 04:43.24 | fuzzyt | just curious |
| 04:43.33 | peepsalot | i'm going to try to write one if there isn't already |
| 04:43.57 | dbmoodb | damn it |
| 04:44.23 | dbmoodb | $5 to any one who can give me 1.kismet 2. rt73 usb driver and 3. pidgin-otr |
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| 04:45.55 | dbmoodb | no takers ? |
| 04:46.10 | kgoetz | maps dont seem to be downloading, :/ anyone aware of an http-proxy setting for tangoGPS? |
| 04:46.35 | dbmoodb | damn bribery really doesn't work in the open source world kgoetz --- mmm i noticed that too perhaps we should turn the proxy off ? |
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| 04:47.15 | kgoetz | dbmoodb: i /want/ to cache it :) |
| 04:47.24 | kgoetz | dbmoodb: i thinnk it does work, just the numbers are larger |
| 04:47.56 | fuzzyt | it works, FOSS folks like food too... :D |
| 04:48.10 | kgoetz | hehe. |
| 04:48.11 | rooly | is there some kind of list available for what i can install? |
| 04:48.34 | Centaur5 | Are there any gps apps that will let you tell it coordinates you want to go to yet? |
| 04:49.05 | cjb | rooly: opkg list |
| 04:49.31 | dbmoodb | Centaur5: i thought .. it could -- the nice tangogps thing |
| 04:50.07 | Centaur5 | dbmoodb: Maybe I just missed it. How do you tell it where to go then? |
| 04:50.32 | cjb | Centaur5: by tapping that location on the screen and setting a waypoint |
| 04:50.52 | Sargun | what the easiest way to get a development environment? |
| 04:51.06 | dbmoodb | install the toolchain ? |
| 04:51.18 | Sargun | 2007.2/fso/ASU/ASU-devel? |
| 04:51.18 | Centaur5 | Okay, now my question is how is it possible to launch tangogps on ASU or is it? |
| 04:59.28 | Sargun | dbmoodb, which devel kit: 2007.2/fso/ASU/ASU-devel? |
| 04:59.58 | rooly | ok |
| 05:00.00 | rooly | so... |
| 05:03.00 | kgoetz | tangogps seems to be saying its got 8 satalites, but my location is at 0.0 in all directions (somewhere near africa) |
| 05:03.34 | kd8ikt | in the water |
| 05:03.36 | cjb | hm |
| 05:03.43 | kd8ikt | fso?! |
| 05:03.47 | cjb | odd |
| 05:04.08 | Centaur5 | kgoetz: Sweet, you found out where nowhere can be found! :) |
| 05:04.30 | kd8ikt | i want to throw a gentoo rootfs on the sd card |
| 05:04.42 | kgoetz | Centaur5: : |
| 05:04.43 | kgoetz | D |
| 05:04.56 | Sargun | Gentoo is fucking awesome. |
| 05:05.18 | kd8ikt | i think i'd need a bigger card before i even begin to try |
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| 05:06.25 | araujo | wonders if Sargun also has Gentoo on the FR |
| 05:06.34 | Sargun | No. |
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| 05:08.13 | kgoetz | so i'm getting maps, just no location. i'm getting closer :D |
| 05:08.29 | CVirus | who has gentoo on his FR ? |
| 05:08.32 | kgoetz | when it says "Satellites: 8/0" does that mean i can use 8, or its seen 8 and theres none atm |
| 05:09.00 | Sargun | can you boot from MiniSD? |
| 05:09.12 | CVirus | Sargun: Gentoo is fucken awesome but not on the FR ! |
| 05:09.13 | Sargun | I need a big ARM system |
| 05:09.26 | Sargun | I can't even get a image to build for the FR |
| 05:09.27 | Sargun | :-( |
| 05:10.17 | kd8ikt | i built 2007.2 vi mokomake |
| 05:10.22 | kd8ikt | via* |
| 05:10.38 | kd8ikt | although thats no great feat |
| 05:11.11 | kd8ikt | dang i cant find that boot sd wiki page |
| 05:15.07 | kd8ikt | bingo http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card |
| 05:15.29 | kgoetz | dont you just select sd from the uboot? :| |
| 05:15.39 | kgoetz | any thoughts on the GPS stuff? |
| 05:17.28 | kd8ikt | well you need a filesystem on the card for it |
| 05:17.57 | dbmoodb | and a kernel |
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| 05:20.41 | mw| | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.04 | mw| | filesystem should be put on second partition (which I recommend is of type ext2) |
| 05:21.56 | mw| | if you want to boot from a SDHC card, you need to upgrade u-boot aswell |
| 05:22.08 | kd8ikt | i'm not doing it right now just reading up on the proccess gives me a better understanding of setting uboot stuff |
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| 05:22.29 | kd8ikt | amd the entire boot proccess |
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| 05:24.48 | mw| | my u-boot on my FreeRunner was ready setup for booting from sd-card |
| 05:24.58 | kd8ikt | http://www.emdebian.org/ |
| 05:27.42 | kd8ikt | i'd love gentoo but i just dont think it would be practical without a compile host |
| 05:28.05 | kd8ikt | and noone like waiting for emerge |
| 05:28.17 | CVirus | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_setup_gentoo_on_a_pda_or_embedded_system |
| 05:31.46 | kgoetz | frowns at the FR and hopes it will place nice later |
| 05:32.02 | kgoetz | kd8ikt: theres instructions on running debian in the OM wiki too |
| 05:32.38 | dbmoodb | kgoetz: yeah -- i tried those you need to remember to set the kernel up |
| 05:33.16 | kgoetz | dbmoodb: i havent tried yet, i got the impression the image didnt fit on the sd card yet. looking forward to trying it though :) |
| 05:33.30 | kgoetz | wonders if the GPS stuff works better or worse |
| 05:33.57 | kd8ikt | well. ocnsidering root will be on the SD card i'd say it'd be more noisy |
| 05:34.01 | dbmoodb | kgoetz: no no as in i was doing it myself |
| 05:34.14 | dbmoodb | i debootstraped it |
| 05:34.20 | dbmoodb | there are instructions |
| 05:34.25 | kd8ikt | now, whatabout usb rootfs ? |
| 05:34.47 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: got the usb ? |
| 05:34.48 | kgoetz | dbmoodb: aaah. i see. |
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| 05:34.57 | kd8ikt | er wait usb transfers at usb1 speeds would probably go slower then the sdio |
| 05:35.09 | kgoetz | was going to re-image with debian today, but just spent a few hours installing OM packages |
| 05:35.26 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: mmm who cares --- good idea i will try it out |
| 05:35.48 | kd8ikt | now that should help with GPS cause the sdcard can be pulled out |
| 05:36.17 | dbmoodb | tango gps isn't fetching the maps very well tho |
| 05:37.16 | kgoetz | i cant wokr out where fetched maps are going |
| 05:37.21 | dbmoodb | and it just crashed :) |
| 05:37.28 | dbmoodb | /tmp/Maps... |
| 05:37.38 | kgoetz | i only have 3mb in there though. thats nothing. |
| 05:37.55 | kd8ikt | hey ugh what fricken file to i edit to stop the click sound from loading (07.2) |
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| 05:43.03 | Sargun | UGH: | checking for GYPSY... configure: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0 dbus-glib-1 >= 0.60 bluez) were not met: |
| 05:43.07 | Sargun | Even after updating |
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| 05:44.10 | kgoetz | sigh. guess i'll have to accept the not-workingness of the GPS |
| 05:44.26 | dbmoodb | kgoetz: it works for me |
| 05:44.44 | kgoetz | dbmoodb: not for me |
| 05:44.58 | dbmoodb | try umount the sdcard while trying to get a lock then -- if you have updated |
| 05:45.08 | kgoetz | dbmoodb: i dont have the SD card in |
| 05:45.17 | dbmoodb | kgoetz: !FSCK |
| 05:45.31 | kgoetz | i've tried to update twice, and "bricked" the phone, so i'm sitting on teh default image still |
| 05:45.35 | dbmoodb | --- are you sure ? |
| 05:45.53 | kgoetz | sure of what? |
| 05:46.00 | dbmoodb | what do you mean "bricked" ? ... what had to flash the newer kernel ? |
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| 05:46.50 | kgoetz | i had to reinstall the kernel and rootfs (and therefore wipe it) to get a booting phone |
| 05:46.57 | dbmoodb | oooo not fun |
| 05:48.26 | kgoetz | not at all |
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| 05:52.01 | kd8ikt | ugh i think all you needed to reflash was the kerne; |
| 05:52.18 | kd8ikt | cause opkg has been fux0ring the kernel lately |
| 05:52.32 | kgoetz | :\ bugger. so if i upgrade -> reflash kernel it should work? |
| 05:52.42 | kgoetz | wibbles a bit |
| 05:53.16 | kd8ikt | shoulve booted nomaly , but you alrady flashed the rootfs again eh? |
| 05:53.59 | kgoetz | i upgraded (opkg upgrade) and rebooted, and it sat on the splash screen indefinitely, never booted. so i reflashed it |
| 05:54.00 | kd8ikt | nextime it boot doesnt doo anything goto NAND then boot so you see output not just a picture |
| 05:54.16 | kgoetz | aaah, thats how you get it (i had been planning to ask) |
| 05:54.39 | kd8ikt | output told me "cant find kernel" so i flashed the kernel (not touching rootfs) and everything was fine like wine |
| 05:54.51 | kd8ikt | didnt loose all my hardwork |
| 05:55.09 | kgoetz | tries upgrade again, and hopes |
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| 05:57.18 | kd8ikt | damnit where the fudge is that config for disabling touch click |
| 05:58.55 | kd8ikt | fucking hell found it |
| 05:58.57 | kd8ikt | /etc/pulse/session |
| 05:59.25 | kgoetz | lol. wd |
| 06:01.22 | kd8ikt | there i added a lil reminder http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Customize_the_interface:_clock.2C_keyboard... |
| 06:03.39 | kd8ikt | and fixed the heading cause the above link sux |
| 06:03.41 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Customize_the_interface |
| 06:04.51 | kgoetz | goes to look into how booting nand works |
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| 06:05.22 | kgoetz | i should update uboot as well. i hear theres been a fair few updtes |
| 06:05.47 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot |
| 06:06.23 | beni_ | hm, on the terminal, how can one input a slash? |
| 06:06.30 | kd8ikt | cant hurt to update it makesure you get the correct hardware version |
| 06:06.31 | beni_ | i had to copy it over and over again |
| 06:06.58 | kgoetz | beni_: copy once, paste lots ;) |
| 06:07.22 | kgoetz | beni_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards check this out |
| 06:08.05 | beni_ | cool thx |
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| 06:08.18 | beni_ | i was very amused as i booted my fr yesterday the first time |
| 06:08.29 | kd8ikt | yeah i use http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15 that german guys pkg but dont expect to use it without a stylus |
| 06:08.30 | beni_ | it is cool to have that little kernel messages flow over the screen |
| 06:09.29 | kgoetz | reboots to apply updates |
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| 06:11.36 | kgoetz | hm. the splash screen came up |
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| 06:13.12 | kgoetz | its booted(!) guess they fixed it. thanks to whoever did so :) |
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| 06:17.35 | kgoetz | whats 'neod'? it and pulseaudio are both sitting around 7% of the cpu usage, and i'm guessing that'll be causing a fair bit of drain |
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| 06:19.27 | dbmoodb | klick |
| 06:20.02 | kgoetz | is happy |
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| 06:20.20 | kgoetz | thanks to kd8ikt and the others in here who have helped me get up and running :) |
| 06:20.33 | kgoetz | kd8ikt: btw, is that a callsign? |
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| 06:22.20 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 06:22.34 | beni_ | is it advisable to mount /home on the SD card, so changes to the root-fs will not overwrite my personal home settings? |
| 06:22.46 | beni_ | or is OM organized some other way? |
| 06:23.21 | kd8ikt | yeah i've been meaning to change home to /mnt/card/home |
| 06:23.36 | kd8ikt | so i can save contacts and they survive reflash |
| 06:23.43 | beni_ | yes exactly |
| 06:23.46 | beni_ | thats what i want |
| 06:24.42 | kgoetz | wishes apps would remember their settings between usage properly |
| 06:25.09 | kd8ikt | actually i'm thinking of just changing the cards mountpoint in /etc/fstab to goto /home/root/ instead of /mnt/card |
| 06:25.49 | kgoetz | just wondering - anyone found how to name a freerunner? mine has <unnamed> in the top left, and my wiki searching skills seem to be... bad |
| 06:26.14 | swc|666 | kgoetz: yes, today i get that |
| 06:26.45 | swc|666 | i see it a lot quickly while i lock the keypad on 2007.2 |
| 06:27.39 | kd8ikt | thats a window glitch |
| 06:28.12 | swc|666 | only started happening recently |
| 06:28.34 | kd8ikt | one of the pkg updates methinks |
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| 06:29.06 | swc|666 | proly |
| 06:29.22 | kgoetz | can i change its name? :\ |
| 06:29.27 | kgoetz | the one in the screenshots has a name |
| 06:29.29 | dbmoodb | yah |
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| 06:30.53 | beni_ | wishes he had brought his neo with him here to work |
| 06:31.00 | beni_ | to play a bit around.... ;) |
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| 06:32.30 | fragged_ | Hey guys, any idea on when the next set of OpenMoko arrive? website says 25th july, but thats a while ago now |
| 06:33.21 | araujo | was precisely about to ask the same question right now |
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| 06:35.38 | Sargun | a while. |
| 06:35.42 | kd8ikt | lol great it works fine mounting sdcard to ~/root |
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| 06:36.25 | kd8ikt | /dev/mmcblk0p1 483.6M 8.2M 475.4M 2% /home/root |
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| 06:42.37 | bricode_ | fragged: Looking for an 850 or 900 version? |
| 06:44.49 | stephelton | wtf... i have gaim sitting in the current directory, yet i do ./gaim and it replies, "-sh: ./gaim: not found". it's executable by all, and i can vi the file, it definitely exists there... |
| 06:45.31 | XorA|gone | stephelton: mounted to noexec? |
| 06:45.37 | XorA|gone | with noexec |
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| 06:46.02 | methril | morning |
| 06:46.13 | stephelton | XorA|gone: not that i know of -- i wouldn't be able to launch anything if that were the case though, no? |
| 06:46.29 | XorA|gone | stephelton: yes |
| 06:47.37 | stephelton | XorA: no / is "rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)" via mount |
| 06:48.02 | kgoetz | Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 30 11:56:48 CEST 2008 armv4tl unknown |
| 06:48.02 | kgoetz | ^^ would this have the GPS/SD fixes? |
| 06:48.13 | dcordes_ | XorA: morning, can you commit the polaris patch? |
| 06:48.23 | XorA | dcordes_: when I wake up and get tea |
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| 06:48.30 | XorA | dcordes_: I saw it enter bugzilla |
| 06:48.34 | dcordes_ | kthx |
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| 06:48.39 | CVirus | bai |
| 06:48.41 | CVirus | :-p |
| 06:48.54 | dcordes_ | heh |
| 06:49.21 | swc|666 | looks like fso has come a long way |
| 06:51.01 | mmontour | stephelton: what kind of file is "./gaim"? Is it a binary executable or a script? |
| 06:51.39 | kd8ikt | heh check this out |
| 06:51.40 | kd8ikt | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/1f001f29d230b42fa6fefeca472a056c.png |
| 06:51.48 | kd8ikt | ^---just made that |
| 06:51.57 | XorA | heh ehh |
| 06:52.02 | kgoetz | that one has a name :o |
| 06:52.23 | kd8ikt | that my gsm provider |
| 06:52.24 | lymeca | hahaha |
| 06:52.44 | kgoetz | aaah, i see. |
| 06:52.52 | kd8ikt | i'm tellin ya its just a bizarre window name glitch when you close all programs |
| 06:53.01 | Yashy | kd8ikt: How'd you get the date/time bar? |
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| 06:53.24 | kd8ikt | dbus-launch gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/poky/interface/small_clock true |
| 06:53.32 | kd8ikt | and restartx |
| 06:54.05 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2#Adjust_UI_components_at_runtime |
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| 06:55.33 | swc|666 | kd8ikt: <adult swim> ftw |
| 06:55.54 | Yashy | kd8ikt: thanks! |
| 06:56.09 | stephelton | mmontour: it is a binary, elf format |
| 06:56.33 | fragged_ | kd8ikt, that image you made, those two characters, are they from there own cartoon or just Aqua Teen Hunger Force? |
| 06:56.45 | kd8ikt | ATHF |
| 06:56.49 | fragged_ | ah kk |
| 06:57.04 | Sargun | Yay! Running task 2346 of 3612 |
| 06:57.06 | fragged_ | look forward to seeing the TV series, seen the movie the other day and thought it was teh epic |
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| 06:57.35 | kgoetz | *fingers crossed*. boot, boot! |
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| 06:57.50 | mmontour | Was it built for the Freerunner? I'm wondering if it might be in OABI format rather than EABI. |
| 06:58.50 | kd8ikt | did ya see my lock screen? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4c471850e9293107c92f227340d7b54a.png |
| 06:59.31 | stephelton | mmontour: i got it via the ipkg repository from qpe-gaim.sourceforge.net, so that could be the case |
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| 07:00.38 | mmontour | It is possible to run OABI binaries, but you need to install additional libraries and play some games with the linker. The 'gllin' GPS driver for the Neo1973 is an example of how this can be done. |
| 07:01.07 | CVirus | kd8ikt: hehe .. nice one |
| 07:01.32 | CVirus | kd8ikt: Oh my God, you killed kenny :-p |
| 07:01.40 | aggtrfrad | HAHAH |
| 07:02.14 | dbmoodb | ah hi there how does one show an app on another comp on the moko on its x server...? |
| 07:02.34 | Yashy | kd8ikt: you should replace the open lock with a weapon image |
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| 07:03.10 | stephelton | mmontour: thanks. i'm probably better off compiling it myself methinks |
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| 07:04.56 | kgoetz | hm. gsm isnt working, but oh well. |
| 07:06.11 | kd8ikt | lets see if i can get gaim to install |
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| 07:07.22 | tomboy64 | kd8ikt: why not pidgin? |
| 07:07.30 | tomboy64 | kd8ikt: gaim is outdated |
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| 07:08.03 | kgoetz | same shit, new smell :) |
| 07:08.11 | tomboy64 | ^^ |
| 07:08.22 | tomboy64 | well |
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| 07:08.45 | tomboy64 | iirc with pidgin the properly separated the front- from the backend |
| 07:09.27 | tomboy64 | dbmoodb: tried ssh with the -Y switch? |
| 07:09.35 | kgoetz | its a long time since i've used a tool and gone 'thast a bug' every few minutes. i'm enjoying it :) |
| 07:10.04 | tomboy64 | dbmoodb: if you don't know what i'm talking about read up about x-forwarding |
| 07:10.17 | Yashy | pidgin works, it just doesn't have all the IM plugins |
| 07:10.51 | kd8ikt | were is a pidgin ipkg? |
| 07:10.59 | tomboy64 | Yashy: which one it doesn't? |
| 07:12.05 | dbmoodb | ah... -Y ? |
| 07:12.08 | dbmoodb | ok... will read |
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| 07:12.58 | kd8ikt | where?* |
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| 07:14.28 | Yashy | tomboy64: it didn't have MSN or Yahoo! IIRC, only IRC and XMPP |
| 07:14.43 | tomboy64 | wtf? |
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| 07:14.46 | tomboy64 | -.- |
| 07:16.25 | kd8ikt | hello? where is pidgin for moko? |
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| 07:17.26 | Yashy | ScaredtCat perhaps? |
| 07:17.30 | Yashy | Scaredy |
| 07:19.47 | Sargun | Any ideas: http://pastebin.ca/1088162 |
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| 07:29.37 | kd8ikt- | i on my moko |
| 07:29.48 | kd8ikt- | neattt |
| 07:29.52 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 07:31.56 | kd8ikt | dude wtf though pidgin only has 3 nets |
| 07:32.13 | kd8ikt | irc and two i dont know or care for |
| 07:34.14 | Yashy | yeah, it needs MSN/Yahoo! |
| 07:34.21 | kd8ikt | silc |
| 07:34.26 | Yashy | and OTR :) |
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| 08:01.30 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 08:13.11 | BlackFog | hi |
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| 08:20.28 | Stroller | Morning, all. |
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| 08:50.48 | Zorkman | anybody tried opkg upgrade yesterday or today? |
| 09:00.14 | Zorkman | (on the asu) |
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| 09:22.56 | Zorkman | im' trying to opkg install numptyphisics, but i get : http://pastebin.org/59857 |
| 09:23.00 | Zorkman | could anyone look at this? |
| 09:24.24 | swc|666 | maybe a symlink error? |
| 09:25.51 | Zorkman | is there a way to solve it? |
| 09:26.23 | swc|666 | i dunno... maybe its makefile is looking for an older version of that lib |
| 09:26.47 | swc|666 | older/different version |
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| 09:31.55 | tdobson | is wondering why the package manager doesn't want to work |
| 09:32.40 | tdobson | didn't even get as far as Zorkman :P |
| 09:33.25 | tdobson | http://pastebin.org/59869 # package manager says nothing is to be done |
| 09:35.03 | baird | Are there any WEP key limitations? The same/cut-and-pasted 'iwconfig key' line that no other linux machine in the house has a problem with returns a 8B2A on the FR.. |
| 09:35.09 | Yashy | tdobson: # nslookup buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 09:35.11 | anasazi | hi, I just flashed the latest recommended 2007.2 image, and now scrolling in the appmanager is awfully slow.... |
| 09:35.23 | swc|666 | tdobson: it didnt download any of the packages... u have a connectivity problem |
| 09:35.30 | anasazi | is that a general matter or anything I can fix? |
| 09:36.01 | tdobson | cheers |
| 09:36.02 | tdobson | guys |
| 09:36.05 | tdobson | just got that :) |
| 09:36.20 | tdobson | Yashy: that made it obvious thanks :) |
| 09:36.43 | Yashy | bill is in the mail :) |
| 09:37.05 | swc|666 | tdobson - easiest fix is to change your /etc/network/interfaces entry from the echo 192.168.0.200 to 208.67.222.222 and do an /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 09:37.56 | swc|666 | that way it alleviates potential dns issues with routing |
| 09:38.13 | tdobson | ok :) |
| 09:38.14 | Yashy | well, that is the permanent fix, not the easiest :) |
| 09:39.07 | swc|666 | easiest for me ;) |
| 09:40.17 | tdobson | if it works, that'll do :) if it's permanent even better! :) it does seem to be a good idea though. :) |
| 09:40.43 | tdobson | eek. I'm turning into smiley man. I'll tone it down a bit! |
| 09:42.17 | torpor | yo |
| 09:42.30 | torpor | sup gang? |
| 09:42.34 | Zorkman | llo torpor |
| 09:42.53 | Zorkman | nothing special, can't install numptyphysics and am going to install FSO milestone 2 |
| 09:43.03 | torpor | numpty is rockin |
| 09:43.08 | torpor | i like it a lot |
| 09:43.18 | Zorkman | how did you install it? |
| 09:43.29 | Zorkman | i get http://pastebin.org/59857 |
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| 09:43.38 | torpor | just plain ol' install |
| 09:43.49 | torpor | yeah just tell it to ignore the problem. |
| 09:43.53 | torpor | opkg --force or whatever. |
| 09:43.54 | torpor | it owkrs. |
| 09:43.56 | torpor | works |
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| 09:46.04 | Unclejack | anybody has tried recently to build FSO ? |
| 09:48.41 | Zorkman | thanks torpor, it works |
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| 09:54.44 | tdobson | yay. it works |
| 09:54.57 | flexd|gruu | yay! |
| 09:58.35 | Unclejack | I have a problem staging libsdl while trying to build FSO |
| 09:58.58 | Unclejack | googleing confirms that it is not a new problem |
| 09:59.09 | Unclejack | apparently there is no solution |
| 09:59.16 | torpor | sdl blows for me right now as well. |
| 09:59.23 | torpor | i can't seem to use it without it screwing up the screen. |
| 09:59.29 | torpor | nothing i do gives me a proper output. |
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| 09:59.37 | baird | After 4 hours, found the problem to my WEP issue: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1391 |
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| 10:00.18 | Unclejack | is it just a maintenance problem ? |
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| 10:02.20 | Zorkman | is it safe to do an opkg upgrade on the asu now? |
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| 10:04.08 | bumbl | how many pixel does the moko provide for the application |
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| 10:06.17 | Zorkman | what is the command to put an image on t he sd card when you only have a jffs2 file and not a tar.gz |
| 10:06.24 | Zorkman | e.g. it's tar -C /mnt/moko/ -xzvf openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070313022035.rootfs.tar.gz for a tar.gz |
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| 10:07.24 | Zorkman | (I want to boot FSO from sd card) |
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| 10:12.07 | Zorkman | what is the command to put an image on t he sd card when you only have a jffs2 file and not a tar.gz ? |
| 10:12.30 | torpor | you have to extract the files from the jffs2 archive first. |
| 10:12.35 | torpor | go look up the jffs2 tools. |
| 10:12.41 | torpor | but i would advise you to find the .tar.gz file and use it instead |
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| 10:13.34 | Zorkman | is there a tar.gz file for the FSO milestone 2? i'll try to find it |
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| 10:15.37 | Zorkman | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ does not have one... |
| 10:18.27 | Wonka | aaargh. where to get socat for the FR? |
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| 10:24.42 | Zorkman | does anyone know a tar.gz file for fso milestone 2 |
| 10:24.54 | Zorkman | or a way to set-up navit on the ASU? |
| 10:25.08 | Zorkman | I modified the desktop file but it still doesn't show up |
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| 10:56.28 | Zorkman | what is the command to manually start glinn and gpsd? |
| 10:56.42 | Zorkman | (I want to use Navit on the ASU) |
| 10:56.51 | Zorkman | anyone been able to get the gps running in navit? |
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| 11:00.41 | bumbl | Zorkman: you don't need glinn on the freerunner |
| 11:00.52 | bumbl | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:01.00 | bumbl | starts the gpsd manually |
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| 11:01.57 | Zorkman | thanks, i'll see if navit works |
| 11:04.36 | weatherhead | does opkg update/upgrade still break everything? |
| 11:05.13 | bumbl | the last time I tested it, yes (that was yesterday |
| 11:05.15 | bumbl | ) |
| 11:05.18 | weatherhead | ok |
| 11:05.30 | weatherhead | so what image would anyone recommend me to look at first? |
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| 11:06.54 | swc|666 | the stock image |
| 11:07.01 | Zorkman | bumbl: could you fix it with manually flashing a kernel? |
| 11:07.15 | bumbl | no |
| 11:07.41 | bumbl | but I switched to fso milestone 2 |
| 11:07.42 | weatherhead | swc|666: I've just finished playing with the stock image, it doesn't seem to really do anything |
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| 11:08.56 | swc|666 | weatherhead: i boot debian from microSD for my fun, but on the phone front-end - i have personally tried every other sack and find that 2007.2 is the most useful for the flash / phone stack |
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| 11:15.15 | anasazi | swc but the scroll speed in 2007.2 is really slow,? |
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| 11:15.27 | anasazi | at least in the latest recommended image |
| 11:15.43 | Nixoeen | Anybody knows why Freerunner is still out of stock ? It was supposed to have it in 25th of July in Stock, but still nothing ... |
| 11:17.05 | Zorkman | where do you live Nixoeen? |
| 11:17.23 | Nixoeen | Zorkman, United Arab Emirates |
| 11:17.27 | Zorkman | if in europe: some resellers have freerunners in stock.... |
| 11:18.20 | Nixoeen | Zorkman, I checked with them, and they don't ! Which one has it in stock ? |
| 11:18.53 | Stroller | Truebox are taking orders |
| 11:19.05 | Stroller | For fulfilment on 15th |
| 11:19.29 | Stroller | I think all Pulser's stock is already accounted for by existing orders |
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| 11:19.51 | Stroller | But If you're in UEA then I know Truebox have been shipping to non-European customers |
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| 11:21.32 | prjktdtnt | Does anyone know if/when the US (online store) will be back in stock? |
| 11:21.46 | Zorkman | Stroller, Nixoeen; I read that pullster still has devices that are not yet reserved |
| 11:22.08 | Stroller | Zorkman, Nixoeen : excuse me |
| 11:26.30 | Zorkman | anyone got navit working on the ASU? |
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| 11:26.45 | Zorkman | i get instant with agpsUI and diversity and tangogps |
| 11:27.23 | jopk | hi |
| 11:27.37 | Zorkman | hi |
| 11:27.49 | Dave | goedmorgen :D |
| 11:28.14 | jopk | I installed the qwertz-keyboard and the keys 7, 8, 9, 0 don't work I get only {[]}. any ideas why? |
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| 11:28.31 | Zorkman | llo dave |
| 11:28.51 | Stroller | jopk: do you have the USB cable plugged in? |
| 11:28.58 | jopk | yes |
| 11:29.09 | Stroller | waits |
| 11:29.23 | jopk | :) |
| 11:29.37 | jopk | explanation? |
| 11:29.48 | Stroller | Not off the top of my head, sorry. |
| 11:29.54 | jopk | ok, thx |
| 11:29.55 | Stroller | Has been discussed on -community |
| 11:30.25 | Dave | strolls |
| 11:31.10 | Stroller | admires Dave's confident ambulation |
| 11:31.37 | Dave | :D |
| 11:32.58 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r6b4c2515213b 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 11:32.58 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: [opreferencesd] Removed opreferencesd/test directory |
| 11:32.59 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: We have a test directory in the root directory now |
| 11:32.59 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r253906f561fa 10/setup.py: |
| 11:32.59 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: Use absolute path for the config files in setup.py |
| 11:33.01 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: Should fix ticket #57 |
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| 11:34.28 | weatherhead | I'm having difficulty getting USB networking working in opensuse 11.0 |
| 11:34.40 | weatherhead | anyone successfully done it? |
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| 11:35.51 | Stroller | weatherhead: have you read the wiki pages? |
| 11:35.58 | Stroller | ~suse |
| 11:35.59 | apt | rumour has it, suse is a novell linux distribution, making it spawn of the devil |
| 11:36.03 | Stroller | lol |
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| 11:37.55 | Stroller | apt_: suse is so unique it has its very own wiki page on USB networking http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking_with_openSUSE |
| 11:38.29 | Stroller | ~suse |
| 11:38.30 | apt | well, suse is a novell linux distribution, making it spawn of the devil |
| 11:38.33 | tdobson | hmm. having some problems with the dialer - "Dialer Error: No network" |
| 11:38.36 | tdobson | suggestions? |
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| 11:41.11 | Stroller | Does anyone know how to reprogram apt_ when he says "cannot remove factoid 'suse', too old. (14091.4853472222>10800) use 'no,' instead" |
| 11:41.47 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03john_lee 07framework * r746bf2f876a9 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/accelerometer.py: |
| 11:41.47 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced: accelerometer: make it read from input dev on demand so it |
| 11:41.47 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: doesn't impact the system performance. |
| 11:41.47 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * no idle function added |
| 11:41.47 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * stop sending signal |
| 11:41.49 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * only read when method called |
| 11:41.53 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: now I need to make it work with gesture. |
| 11:42.41 | mbuf | can I use the openmoko logo for an openmoko presentation released under CC-share-alike license? |
| 11:43.06 | Stroller | mbuf: there's a "trademark" link on the front page of the wiki |
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| 11:43.34 | jOERG_rw | apt_: forget suse |
| 11:43.52 | jOERG_rw | ~suse |
| 11:43.53 | apt | from memory, suse is a novell linux distribution, making it spawn of the devil |
| 11:44.08 | mbuf | Stroller, yes, so it is not possible to mention it? |
| 11:44.33 | Stroller | mbuf: no, I'm just suggesting a place that might give your answer |
| 11:44.39 | mbuf | Stroller, this one? http://wiki.openmoko.org/skins/openmoko/wiki_logo.png -- the orange one |
| 11:44.40 | mbuf | Stroller, ok |
| 11:44.42 | Stroller | I was hoping it might be helpful, mbuf |
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| 11:45.21 | jopk | did I get this right: the 10 pf capacitor will solve the gps -sd card problem, but I will probably lose warranty? |
| 11:45.47 | Stroller | Oh, no... hang on, they've moved it, mbuf |
| 11:46.06 | Stroller | jopk: has been asked on -community, still no official response, I don't think |
| 11:46.48 | jOERG_rw | kernel patch is actualy solving gps-sdcard problem |
| 11:47.00 | jOERG_rw | no need for hw-fix |
| 11:47.13 | jopk | ok, so I'll wait a bit and try this kernel patch. get it with update/upgrade? |
| 11:47.55 | jopk | or flashing the kernel? |
| 11:50.35 | Stroller | jopk: sorry. The official openmoko trademark policy was deleted from the wiki two days ago. Suggest posting to -community with your question (if you get no answer here) |
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| 11:51.51 | tdobson | jopk: good question. I will be interested in the answer |
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| 11:52.11 | Stroller | mbuf: sorry. The official openmoko trademark policy was deleted from the wiki two days ago. Suggest posting to -community with your question (if you get no answer here) |
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| 11:52.19 | mbuf | Stroller, ok, thanks |
| 11:52.25 | Stroller | Moment |
| 11:52.37 | Stroller | Looks like the clown moved it to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Privacy_policy |
| 11:53.21 | Dave | Privacy? Openmoko? |
| 11:53.25 | Dave | What's all this now? :p |
| 11:53.34 | jopk | I don't understand... |
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| 11:54.01 | Dave | Why was it deleted? |
| 11:54.37 | Dave | joerg, can't we just blame all our problems on glamo, at this point? ;) |
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| 11:54.56 | Stroller | Dave: mbuf was asking for it. I'm posting a message to documentation right now |
| 11:55.02 | jopk | what's an 'official openmoko trademark policy' ? |
| 11:55.32 | Dave | -somebody- holds the rights to the openmoko name and logo |
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| 11:55.57 | Dave | though I'm not sure about the "privacy policy" thing was :p |
| 11:56.04 | Dave | unless they're selling your wiki information or something :D |
| 11:56.17 | jopk | and why posting this in the irc channel? |
| 11:57.04 | mbuf | ok |
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| 11:57.41 | Dave | Okay, everyone happy? |
| 11:57.45 | ieatlint | so under my understanding of the trademark policy, i can create non-commercial "openmoko porn" ? |
| 11:58.06 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 11:58.11 | Dave | and market it as such? |
| 11:58.36 | ieatlint | can't you see the slogan now ... "open my moko" |
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| 11:58.44 | Dave | o_o |
| 11:59.16 | flexd|gruu | stuff my moko? :p |
| 12:00.02 | Dave | heehee, silly germans |
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| 12:00.27 | Dave | haha, I saw your name, flexd, and got worried there was a grue in here :p |
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| 12:00.53 | flexd|gruu | grue? :p |
| 12:00.56 | ieatlint | who's german? |
| 12:00.56 | Dave | YES |
| 12:00.56 | flexd|gruu | what's that? |
| 12:01.01 | Dave | :O |
| 12:01.16 | flexd | gruu is just another of my nicks |
| 12:01.24 | Dave | It is dark, you are likely to be eaten by a grue. |
| 12:01.54 | flexd | hehe |
| 12:01.58 | flexd | http://gruuu.com |
| 12:02.01 | Dave | o_O |
| 12:02.06 | ieatlint | i attack the darkness |
| 12:02.14 | flexd | Was the inspiration :p |
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| 12:02.25 | flexd | I use it for my Age of Conan character :) |
| 12:02.51 | Dave | ieatlint, you are eaten by a grue. You are now dead. |
| 12:02.51 | bumbl | ui hi Davey |
| 12:02.51 | Dave | hey bumble :) |
| 12:02.54 | ieatlint | did i take the darkness with me? |
| 12:02.59 | Dave | no |
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| 12:03.51 | Dave | :o |
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| 12:06.03 | Dave | opkg search *porn* |
| 12:06.05 | Dave | ooops |
| 12:06.40 | Opalinus | (14:00:02) Dave: heehee, silly germans | are we? |
| 12:06.58 | Dave | Yes, you are! :D |
| 12:07.10 | Dave | Plus honestly, there are so many of you here, how can we not make fun of you :P |
| 12:07.18 | ieatlint | i manage to recover from the hdd failure losing only 1 file, which was a tmp file and would've deleted anyway :) |
| 12:07.34 | Dave | ieatlint, good job :) |
| 12:07.34 | Opalinus | ah ok |
| 12:07.45 | Dave | RAID'ed Freerunners, anyone? |
| 12:07.46 | ieatlint | and yeah, germans are weird |
| 12:07.48 | Dave | :D |
| 12:07.52 | ieatlint | i mean, honestly, david hasselhoff? |
| 12:07.58 | Dave | bwahahaha |
| 12:08.12 | ieatlint | and how did songs about knut reach your top 10... :P |
| 12:08.14 | Opalinus | i saw a video with him |
| 12:08.15 | Opalinus | omg |
| 12:08.28 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 12:08.33 | Dave | he did music? |
| 12:08.41 | Opalinus | yeah wait |
| 12:08.50 | Opalinus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_Yg1uajbX0 |
| 12:08.52 | Opalinus | he tried |
| 12:08.52 | ieatlint | hasselhoff? oh yeah... |
| 12:08.56 | Dave | oh gawd |
| 12:09.01 | Dave | covers his eyes |
| 12:09.06 | Opalinus | but attention |
| 12:09.10 | ieatlint | there's him singing on the berlin wall, and at least one hilarious video of him trying to sing in german |
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| 12:10.09 | Dave | hahahah |
| 12:10.09 | Opalinus | the fatter man after him in the video tell jokes about him |
| 12:10.12 | Dave | he speaks german? |
| 12:10.16 | Opalinus | yeah |
| 12:10.19 | Dave | :o |
| 12:10.23 | Dave | I didn't know that! |
| 12:10.34 | ieatlint | he sounds like arnold schwarzenegger though |
| 12:10.37 | Opalinus | But i don't think he really know what he sung |
| 12:10.39 | Dave | hahaha |
| 12:10.45 | ieatlint | in that it sounds really weird |
| 12:10.47 | Opalinus | after 20bber |
| 12:10.53 | Opalinus | *beer |
| 12:11.01 | Dave | "You don't have to yell Michael, I'm all around you." |
| 12:11.11 | Opalinus | Who said that? |
| 12:11.22 | Dave | Guess :p |
| 12:11.36 | Opalinus | michael |
| 12:11.43 | Dave | Kitt |
| 12:11.43 | bumbl | Opalinus: Dave gefällt es über good old europe witze zu machen *typisch amerikaner* |
| 12:11.45 | Opalinus | did i won anything? |
| 12:11.51 | Dave | hahahah |
| 12:11.56 | Dave | gee, THANKS, bumble :P |
| 12:12.14 | bumbl | no problem |
| 12:12.20 | Opalinus | bumbl: Danke, ich merks |
| 12:12.21 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 12:12.22 | Dave | :P |
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| 12:13.59 | ieatlint | ich mache keine witze über das alteuropa, nur das "neues" europa |
| 12:14.02 | Dave | keks |
| 12:14.10 | ieatlint | knut, david hasselhoff, etc |
| 12:14.42 | Opalinus | das neue scheint mehr eine witztfigur zu werden, insbesondere Deutschland |
| 12:14.54 | ieatlint | nun, wann kommt knut? |
| 12:14.56 | ieatlint | :P |
| 12:15.05 | Opalinus | wen interessierts? |
| 12:15.06 | bumbl | the evil work of the so called "volksverdummungsmaschinerie" |
| 12:15.23 | Opalinus | lool |
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| 12:16.00 | bumbl | also known as ATV, RTL, SAT1, PRO7, PULS4, MTV, VIVA,... |
| 12:16.49 | ieatlint | Opalinus, ja, wir hassen den frankreich, und europa ist nur deutschland, frankreigh, uk... ja? |
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| 12:16.56 | Opalinus | Kalkofe ist da ein sher guter "Ansprechpartner", er kritisiert Medien insbesondere das deutsche Fernsehen |
| 12:17.01 | Dave | BBQ? |
| 12:17.27 | Opalinus | ietlint, ich meinte das so nicht... |
| 12:17.39 | ieatlint | wer ist kalkofe? |
| 12:17.58 | Opalinus | ein medienkritisierer wenn mans so nenen will |
| 12:18.01 | Opalinus | siehe Youtube |
| 12:18.02 | bumbl | Dave: where? |
| 12:18.25 | ieatlint | leider kann ich jetzt youtube nicht sehen |
| 12:18.36 | bumbl | is hungry although he has already eaten |
| 12:18.37 | Dave | er zijn hier veel Duitsers ~_~ |
| 12:18.42 | Opalinus | http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Kalkofe&search_sort=video_avg_rating |
| 12:18.53 | ieatlint | aber, ich erinnere mich, und sehe später |
| 12:19.00 | Opalinus | ok |
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| 12:19.46 | Dave | bijvoorbeeld, jij drie :P |
| 12:19.58 | Zorkman | how can i manually start gpsd? |
| 12:20.04 | ieatlint | mein deutsch ist schlecht, weià ich, aber ich habe nur 2 jahre studiert |
| 12:20.06 | Zorkman | (want to use navit and ASU) |
| 12:20.15 | ieatlint | und es ist noch spaà |
| 12:20.26 | Opalinus | es macht spaà |
| 12:20.37 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 12:20.38 | ieatlint | danke |
| 12:20.40 | Opalinus | oder es macht immernoch Spaà |
| 12:20.46 | Dave | zorkman: gpsd /dev/ttySAC1 ? |
| 12:21.00 | bumbl | Zorkman /etc/init.d/gpsd start |
| 12:21.05 | Dave | heh |
| 12:21.08 | Opalinus | klr doch |
| 12:21.12 | Opalinus | *klar |
| 12:21.12 | Dave | that assumes the config file is correct |
| 12:21.14 | ieatlint | gpsd /dev/urandom |
| 12:21.18 | Dave | -_-; |
| 12:21.35 | Dave | throws gookenshlaapen at ieatlint |
| 12:21.55 | Opalinus | gookenshlaapen? |
| 12:21.58 | Dave | YES |
| 12:22.01 | Dave | :D |
| 12:22.04 | ieatlint | i see |
| 12:22.10 | ieatlint | is that dutch? |
| 12:22.19 | Opalinus | i don't know |
| 12:22.22 | Zorkman | Navit still does not get a fix.... doesn't even see satellites, all my other apps (tangogps, diversity, agpsui) get instant fix |
| 12:22.22 | Opalinus | ask google |
| 12:22.26 | Zorkman | does anybody know what to do? |
| 12:22.48 | Dave | hahaha |
| 12:22.55 | Dave | ja :p |
| 12:23.05 | Dave | zorkman, blame navit |
| 12:23.17 | ieatlint | google says nothing |
| 12:23.20 | Dave | additionally, doesn't ASU still suck horribly? |
| 12:23.32 | Dave | Ze GOOGHLE SAYS NAAAHSING |
| 12:23.37 | Dave | much like Ze Goggles >:) |
| 12:23.42 | Opalinus | right! |
| 12:23.55 | Dave | :D |
| 12:24.00 | Opalinus | and what should it mean? |
| 12:24.04 | Opalinus | gookenshlaapen ?? |
| 12:24.06 | ieatlint | let op! drempels! |
| 12:24.15 | Dave | Yes |
| 12:24.18 | Opalinus | afk |
| 12:24.19 | Dave | OH, that's what you googled? |
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| 12:24.35 | Dave | rofl. |
| 12:24.51 | ieatlint | no, your "word" comes up with nothing |
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| 12:24.59 | ieatlint | that about covers my knowledge of dutch though |
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| 12:26.04 | bumbl | Dave: yes ASU sucks horrible |
| 12:27.16 | bumbl | ieatlint: what are drempels? |
| 12:27.50 | ieatlint | this should explain it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/psd/39708513/ |
| 12:27.54 | beni_ | is there handwriting support yet? |
| 12:28.00 | bumbl | I only found the Middle High German word Drempel |
| 12:28.31 | ieatlint | and what's that word mean? |
| 12:28.38 | bumbl | beni_: there is the app cellwriter |
| 12:29.04 | bumbl | ieatlint: as you speek german quite well http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drempel |
| 12:29.08 | Dave | it sucks lint |
| 12:29.12 | ieatlint | hardly |
| 12:29.14 | Dave | ieatlint, more porn? |
| 12:29.26 | bumbl | the third one |
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| 12:29.38 | Zorkman | btw bumbl: drempel can also mean threshhold |
| 12:30.00 | ieatlint | no, drempels (in that context, anyway), means speed bumps (or humps, for you freaky pommies) |
| 12:30.26 | Zorkman | ieatlint: didn't follow the conversation so didn't know the context |
| 12:30.30 | bumbl | ok thank you |
| 12:30.52 | ieatlint | bumbl, yeah, the word it says for modern german is a translation of drempels -- thresholds |
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| 12:31.01 | bumbl | Zorkman: yes drempel also means threshold |
| 12:31.04 | Dave | SPEED HUMPS! |
| 12:31.13 | Dave | hump hump hump |
| 12:31.14 | beni_ | ok, thanks. It would be cool if it is not dependant on the app if one uses handwriting, i thought that this is provided by the input widget |
| 12:31.26 | Dave | bah, still no ecraven :[ |
| 12:31.27 | beni_ | so every app recieving characters could use handwriting |
| 12:31.32 | beni_ | is that planned? |
| 12:31.39 | ieatlint | Dave, it's people like you who get hit by cars in the street without any pants on |
| 12:31.53 | bumbl | beni_: i think it is planned for the future but it has low priority |
| 12:32.03 | Dave | Ieatlint, what? |
| 12:32.11 | Dave | hahaha |
| 12:32.19 | beni_ | bumbl: yes, it is ok, as long as the other input methods are useful. There are more priority things, i agree |
| 12:32.21 | bumbl | they want to get the basic stuff working |
| 12:32.40 | beni_ | yes, i hope they dont hurry and make good things. |
| 12:32.44 | Dave | more software please! |
| 12:32.48 | bumbl | and afaik the asu image has a mechanism to call a defined input program |
| 12:32.56 | danw_upstairs | this is driving me crazy now, does anyone else use opensuse 11 here? |
| 12:32.59 | beni_ | btw, how can i get knowledge, which image is installed? |
| 12:33.02 | beni_ | uname -a? |
| 12:33.08 | beni_ | (dont have my phone here right now) |
| 12:33.15 | bumbl | how does it look like |
| 12:33.28 | bumbl | black, orange-gray or blue |
| 12:33.50 | bumbl | danw_upstairs: no |
| 12:34.10 | bumbl | <- ricer (according to Dave and Chox) |
| 12:34.21 | Dave | heehee |
| 12:34.29 | Dave | ooh, devmem2 :o |
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| 12:36.24 | Dave | opkg: free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x000d18c0 *** |
| 12:36.26 | Dave | Aborted |
| 12:36.32 | Dave | nice |
| 12:36.33 | ieatlint | you're not a ricer unless your car is made in japan, badly modified, and has a "spoiler" that looks stupid, is way oversized, and actually creates drag that affects the performance of the car |
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| 12:36.52 | Dave | ieatlint: or simply uses gentoo :) |
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| 12:37.12 | ieatlint | hey now, my computers use gentoo, and they aren't hacked |
| 12:37.20 | Dave | :P |
| 12:37.25 | Opalinus | sry, i had to help my mum |
| 12:37.45 | Opalinus | do you now know what gookenshlaapen means? |
| 12:37.56 | Dave | haha |
| 12:38.05 | Dave | so funny... |
| 12:38.08 | Opalinus | tell! |
| 12:38.20 | Zorkman | :o |
| 12:38.25 | Dave | opkg info libc6 |
| 12:38.26 | Zorkman | you don't know what it means Opalinus? |
| 12:38.36 | Dave | nevar! |
| 12:38.44 | Opalinus | no i don't Zorkman |
| 12:38.52 | Zorkman | you should work on your dutch then :p |
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| 12:39.05 | Dave | :D |
| 12:39.10 | Opalinus | im german but i will |
| 12:39.16 | Dave | :) |
| 12:39.22 | ieatlint | applying fake phonetics, and their attitude, i'm going to guess it's some sort of sexual reference |
| 12:39.31 | Opalinus | you can teach me Zorkman |
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| 12:39.57 | Opalinus | haha |
| 12:40.04 | Dave | XD |
| 12:40.12 | Dave | nah nah |
| 12:40.33 | Dave | a sexual reference would be like |
| 12:40.36 | Zorkman | nope, nothing sexual |
| 12:40.47 | Dave | ieatlint blijkt wat nichterig te zijn :p |
| 12:40.48 | Opalinus | mhmm |
| 12:40.51 | Zorkman | schapenneuken would be sexual reference |
| 12:40.59 | ieatlint | i fear this is going to be like that time i was visiting friends in düsseldorf and loudly asked my friends about graffiti on a wall that wasn't in my dictionary... |
| 12:41.01 | Dave | well yah, neuken :P |
| 12:41.07 | Opalinus | shlaapen sounds ike the german word Lappen |
| 12:41.12 | Dave | YOU'RE RIGHT! |
| 12:41.16 | Dave | >:) |
| 12:41.29 | Dave | is having such a good time watching them jump though hoops of ironic hilarity |
| 12:41.39 | Dave | ieatlint: haha :D |
| 12:41.45 | Opalinus | xD |
| 12:41.46 | bumbl | Opalinus: depends how you pronounce it, it could also be Schlampen |
| 12:42.12 | Opalinus | i wouldn even think of something like that ^^ |
| 12:42.14 | Dave | hopes somebody is logging this |
| 12:42.21 | bumbl | <- |
| 12:42.29 | Dave | :D |
| 12:42.38 | ieatlint | was something like "kanzler schwanz schroeder" or something |
| 12:43.10 | Dave | omg woot there's a linux-libc-headers package now :D |
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| 12:43.33 | Opalinus | google dont no the word "gooken" even i dont |
| 12:44.24 | Opalinus | any hint, Dave? |
| 12:44.32 | bumbl | Opalinus: I watched Mittermeiers "Paranoid" performance again last week; the word Schlamenstempel burns its way into your brain |
| 12:44.56 | bumbl | s/Schlamenstempel/Schlampenstempel |
| 12:45.12 | Opalinus | aha |
| 12:45.30 | Opalinus | i feel the heat, but i dont think that help |
| 12:45.40 | Dave | gookenschlaapen! |
| 12:46.22 | Opalinus | ah !! |
| 12:46.28 | Opalinus | okay i had it |
| 12:46.38 | Opalinus | but its a little bit erotic |
| 12:48.18 | Dave | hahaha |
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| 12:48.51 | Opalinus | but why google didn't know the word? |
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| 12:50.38 | Dave | >:) |
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| 12:54.26 | Opalinus | Cya |
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| 12:56.15 | jopk | after trying out wlan I can't connect over usb any more. windows tells me there's no network cable plugged in. It seems to be a problem of the neo though. how can I reactivate usb networking? any ideas? |
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| 12:56.59 | bumbl | jopk: ssh over wlan? |
| 12:57.05 | jopk | ssh |
| 12:57.18 | jopk | ssh is broken |
| 12:57.21 | bumbl | terminal on the neo -> ifdown usb0; ifup usb0 |
| 12:57.59 | jopk | 2 commands? |
| 12:58.43 | jopk | ifdown usb0 : unknown method loopback |
| 12:58.59 | bumbl | yes |
| 12:59.20 | bumbl | the first command deconfigures the usb0 interface and the second on configures it |
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| 12:59.58 | jopk | I get the error about 'unknown method loopback' |
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| 13:03.30 | jopk | it's written a bit weird: "fdown: unknown method "loopback (with he ") |
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| 13:05.27 | bumbl | Dave: do you know if ecraven comes around today? |
| 13:07.35 | bumbl | jopk: reboot does not solve the problem |
| 13:07.46 | jopk | yes, already tried |
| 13:08.53 | bumbl | then I am sorry, but I can't help you |
| 13:09.04 | bumbl | but mind: |
| 13:09.09 | bumbl | Thou shalt not use Windows |
| 13:09.43 | jopk | I know, but in this case it's not windows fault |
| 13:11.22 | jopk | I'm going to reflash root file system |
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| 13:22.30 | Gnutoo | hello, i realy need to test a package in qemu...how do i change the keyboard...changing the task-openmoko-base.bb file didn't add the new keyboard in the bb file...what should i do? |
| 13:22.37 | Gnutoo | s/bb file/image |
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| 13:36.53 | seaLne | did anyone in the uk receive their neo that was supposed to arrive today? they screwed up my address lable and ups couldn't deliver :( |
| 13:37.20 | seaLne | from truebox |
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| 13:50.55 | tc | seaLne: Truebox did the same to me in the last shipment |
| 13:51.37 | tc | I'm confused about all this keyboard toggle talk on the mailing list. Is it possible to toggle the multitap-pad in 2007.2? |
| 13:52.08 | tc | minimo looks really good but you can't really see it with the keyboard showing |
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| 13:55.17 | bumbl | tc: that keyboard toggle talk is asu related |
| 13:55.32 | AntonTakk | hrm, anyone else find fso a bit reluctant to register to the cell network? |
| 13:55.35 | bumbl | but yes you can toggle the keyboard with 2007.2 too |
| 13:55.48 | bumbl | search the wiki for further information |
| 13:55.51 | AntonTakk | bumbl: can in fso as well |
| 13:56.09 | bumbl | AntonTakk: I know |
| 13:56.18 | richiefrich | anyone , whats the differene in the W.E. openmoko and the openmoko , just canada's version, with other software? |
| 13:56.20 | AntonTakk | ok, just throwing it out there :) |
| 13:56.41 | bumbl | asu and fso both use illume which has this "feature" |
| 13:56.44 | AntonTakk | richiefrich: W.E. openmoko?? |
| 13:57.03 | richiefrich | AntonTakk: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2387774836.html |
| 13:57.16 | AntonTakk | bumbl: i thought it was turned off in the theme in asu? or has that changed? |
| 13:57.48 | richiefrich | so it is goolge android |
| 13:57.54 | richiefrich | heh |
| 13:57.59 | richiefrich | idk what that is |
| 13:58.06 | bumbl | AntonTakk: I don't know, I haven't used the standard theming back when I used asu |
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| 13:59.43 | AntonTakk | richiefrich: my understanding is that android won't run on the fr's soc |
| 14:00.02 | AntonTakk | richiefrich: HARDWARE-WISE, I'D SAY THE DIFERENCE IS THE CHOICE OF CASE COLORS |
| 14:00.05 | AntonTakk | oops |
| 14:00.10 | AntonTakk | sorry for the caps |
| 14:00.11 | richiefrich | AntonTakk: fr's soc? |
| 14:00.25 | AntonTakk | richiefrich: System On a Chip |
| 14:00.31 | dcordes_ | you could just put the emo image on your sd and chroot in it |
| 14:00.40 | dcordes_ | s/emo/emu/ |
| 14:00.45 | dcordes_ | ;) |
| 14:00.52 | AntonTakk | dcordes_: emu image? |
| 14:01.04 | dcordes_ | yes, they have that emulator thing |
| 14:01.10 | richiefrich | AntonTakk: but it will still work right, i mean if its open i can change the software? |
| 14:01.14 | dcordes_ | like moko Makefile |
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| 14:01.19 | AntonTakk | oh, i don't really follow android dev |
| 14:01.25 | dcordes_ | me n'either |
| 14:01.56 | bumbl | richiefrich: android is not open |
| 14:02.16 | AntonTakk | richiefrich: i'd just ask them before ordering if it ships with om or android or w/e, and if it still uses om's flashing util/etc |
| 14:02.26 | AntonTakk | richiefrich: or just order from the om website |
| 14:02.31 | bumbl | LiMo isn't open too |
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| 14:03.45 | richiefrich | AntonTakk: i would but they are out of stock on the om site |
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| 14:04.15 | richiefrich | AntonTakk: hav been for like 7 dayus |
| 14:04.37 | richiefrich | i wanted this cell for defcon |
| 14:04.41 | richiefrich | :\ |
| 14:06.32 | flexd | defcon? |
| 14:06.36 | flexd | as in the game? on the phone? :o |
| 14:06.42 | flexd | or wait, nvm, :| |
| 14:06.53 | flexd | that defcon |
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| 14:08.47 | prpplague | greetings all, any of the wolfson guys hanging around? |
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| 14:15.02 | arne | can someone help me with the moko toolchain? |
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| 14:36.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rfcb87e3ceaee 10/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-dates2_svn.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags. |
| 14:36.40 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r393f9c197869 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [pyefl-sudoku] Add Python EFL sudoku. |
| 14:36.41 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7c154826a862 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags. |
| 14:36.44 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5b62a7b5c397 10/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-mediaplayer2_svn.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags. |
| 14:36.45 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5696c2f475ed 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [assassin] Change the source URI of assassin |
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| 14:41.06 | Andre613 | How can I add/change the application icons available to me in the ASU launcher? |
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| 15:02.01 | erwin_ | hi, do you have problems to download with opkg this days? |
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| 15:09.53 | tkep | any idea how to fix the <unknown>/provider mess at the top of the main om2007.2 page? |
| 15:10.05 | tkep | it'll switch between SunCom and <unknown> all the time |
| 15:10.11 | tkep | even when it knows |
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| 15:25.00 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4565 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/source/ (11 files): Add some thumbnails which used in ASU |
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| 15:25.56 | [blackb] | hi all |
| 15:26.18 | [blackb] | i have an sh embedded motherboard in wich channel i can talk about it? |
| 15:29.40 | SpeedEvil | sh? |
| 15:30.04 | [blackb] | Renesas SH7760 |
| 15:30.09 | Chox | sh! |
| 15:30.19 | [blackb] | yes |
| 15:30.32 | [blackb] | but i have same problems about video drivers |
| 15:30.41 | [blackb] | where i could ask info? |
| 15:30.56 | SpeedEvil | You might try ##electronics ##edev |
| 15:31.08 | Chox | ####sh |
| 15:31.12 | guillaum1 | hi all |
| 15:31.12 | guillaum1 | I'm trying to write java binding for the DBus APIs. |
| 15:31.12 | guillaum1 | Should I already use org.freesmartphone.GSM API or stay with org.openmoko.PhoneKit yet ? |
| 15:31.13 | guillaum1 | (sorry for the cross-posting) |
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| 15:36.31 | SpeedEvil | what do you mean by video drivers? |
| 15:36.33 | SpeedEvil | oosp |
| 15:36.41 | guillaum1 | :-) |
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| 15:42.11 | seaLne | w00t freerunner delivered :) |
| 15:43.00 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:43.29 | wurp2|working | Pyrasi: ScaredyCat's release already has such a script |
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| 15:43.41 | wurp2|working | Pyrasi and I have a script that just connects to any bt keyboard in range |
| 15:43.52 | wurp2|working | s/si /si: / |
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| 15:44.08 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.22 | wurp2|working | ScaredyCat's script is a little smarter, it shows you the available devices |
| 15:44.30 | wurp2|working | His script should work fine on ASU, I think |
| 15:44.37 | wurp2|working | And I'm almost certain mine will |
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| 15:44.54 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.55 | wurp2|working | But to answer your question, I always turn off bt, wait 1 second, turn it back on |
| 15:45.10 | wurp2|working | Pyrasi: You should be able to get the ipk from his repo |
| 15:45.17 | wurp2|working | Check out Repositories page on the wiki |
| 15:45.46 | wurp2|working | If bt thinks it's still connected to your keyboard, trying to connect again won't work |
| 15:45.57 | wurp2|working | so I took the lazy man's way out and just always put bt in a known state |
| 15:46.21 | wurp2|working | which works great unless you want to maintain a connection to some other device while connecting your kbd |
| 15:47.06 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:48.19 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:49.57 | jopk | are there any games I can install on my neo? |
| 15:50.15 | jopk | exect the pygame |
| 15:50.20 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.37 | jopk | install with opkg? |
| 15:51.10 | peepsalot | what is different between ipkg and opkg? |
| 15:51.18 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.19 | flexd | with the image i flashed yesterday (from the 22th) there's like ten small games, and one arcade shooter |
| 15:51.51 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.04 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.33 | Zorkman | jobk: kobedeluxe is also a game for the freerunner |
| 15:52.44 | peepsalot | ah, i see there is a wiki page for opkg |
| 15:52.48 | Zorkman | jobk: you can install vmware and play games like monkey island |
| 15:52.53 | Chox | er |
| 15:52.58 | Chox | not vmware. |
| 15:53.01 | Zorkman | grrr, vmware=scummvm i mean :) |
| 15:53.16 | jopk | flexd, which image did you flash? |
| 15:53.28 | flexd | hold on |
| 15:53.43 | flexd | it was on the buildhost somewhere, from 22th july |
| 15:53.46 | XorA | vmware on freerunner would be fun |
| 15:53.48 | Zorkman | does anyone know how to enable the gps in navit? |
| 15:53.55 | Zorkman | navit never finds any satellites.. |
| 15:56.45 | jopk | Zorkman, maybe press powerbutton until you get the menu, then chose turn on gps ... works with tangoGPS for me |
| 15:57.15 | Zorkman | GPS is turned on... |
| 15:57.22 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.29 | Zorkman | i get an instant fix with agpsui, diversity, tangogps.... |
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| 15:57.46 | flexd | takes like 150-200s for me to get a fix outside |
| 15:57.49 | flexd | but i have a SD card in |
| 15:58.07 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07zhone * r509e786b0357 10/src/zhone: |
| 15:58.07 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: When storing a new contact don't store the reference as string |
| 15:58.07 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: Fixes Bug #60 |
| 15:58.13 | Zorkman | (takes +/- 50sec outside for me, but now I'm doing hot starts, so it's almost instant fix) |
| 15:58.15 | cjb | flexd: that's normal |
| 15:59.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4566 10/developers/john_lee/pyfso/ (__init__.py accelerometer.py): add class to read directly from input dev |
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| 16:06.34 | Dave | Time it Takes to get a Fucking Fix |
| 16:06.56 | Zorkman | Dave, you don't by any chanse have tried navit? |
| 16:07.22 | Chox | Dave: whatever it is, damn straight |
| 16:08.47 | jopk | how can I found out how much space is left on the flash memory and sd card? |
| 16:08.56 | Chox | df -h / |
| 16:09.01 | Chox | df -h /media/card |
| 16:09.20 | Zorkman | i learned that command a few days ago :) |
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| 16:09.36 | Chox | wonders if Zorkman has commentary on eeeeeeeeeverything said here :o |
| 16:10.32 | Zorkman | does that bother someone? (e.g. you) |
| 16:11.17 | Chox | well, it can certainly confuse any real information given here. And it becomes just a bit annoying after the 200th time. |
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| 16:13.21 | aggtrfrad | nah how do i bring back the digital clock :p |
| 16:13.22 | Zorkman | whenever there is a usefull conversation going on i'll try to watch it, but at moments like this... |
| 16:14.08 | Chox | is just saying that sometimes saying nothing is best. And the word is "useful". |
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| 16:17.22 | peepsalot | nothing |
| 16:17.47 | linuxxr | is there anybody that can explain why after rebooting the freerunner it wont connect to at&t? |
| 16:18.06 | linuxxr | random |
| 16:18.17 | peepsalot | i can't explain it, but I have the same problem |
| 16:18.25 | linuxxr | sometimes it will an sometimes it wont |
| 16:18.42 | linuxxr | im using the stock kernel |
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| 16:19.07 | linuxxr | is it a handshake problem u think? |
| 16:19.19 | linuxxr | u have at&t? |
| 16:19.31 | peepsalot | i do |
| 16:19.36 | linuxxr | peepsalot |
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| 16:20.04 | linuxxr | amyone having this problem on a different carrier? |
| 16:20.53 | linuxxr | did the same with the 07222008 |
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| 16:30.14 | linuxxr | does qtopia have this bug? |
| 16:30.46 | linuxxr | it would seem to be a jhardware bug |
| 16:31.21 | linuxxr | seems like a bug like this would have long been fixed |
| 16:32.42 | linuxxr | silence is golden |
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| 16:38.49 | leinir | i cannot confirm it for Bibob (Danish carrier) |
| 16:39.10 | linuxxr | the ramdom connect? |
| 16:39.21 | Chox | lei! |
| 16:39.25 | linuxxr | yours works good? |
| 16:39.56 | linuxxr | always connects after reboot? |
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| 16:40.20 | Chox | leinir: you in Copenhagen? |
| 16:40.27 | leinir | Aalborg :) |
| 16:40.37 | Chox | can't be far - it's a tiny country :o |
| 16:40.44 | leinir | linuxxr: Indeed - always connects here :) |
| 16:40.48 | linuxxr | ok |
| 16:41.12 | linuxxr | baybe its just an at&t handshake problem |
| 16:41.21 | linuxxr | maybe* |
| 16:41.25 | leinir | Chox: Not really, no, between 300 and 500 km depending on what route you go by :) |
| 16:41.32 | Chox | heh |
| 16:41.35 | Chox | damn islands. |
| 16:43.08 | linuxxr | lei do u have the stock freerunner? |
| 16:43.24 | linuxxr | 1973? |
| 16:43.34 | linuxxr | qtopia? |
| 16:43.53 | linuxxr | 2007.2? |
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| 16:45.37 | linuxxr | is there anybody that can explain why after rebooting the freerunner it wont connect to at&t? |
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| 16:45.56 | Chox | thew \o/ |
| 16:46.03 | gargoyle_grin | I'm on AT&T. Haven't had such issues. |
| 16:46.16 | linuxxr | hmmm |
| 16:46.30 | Andre613 | ls |
| 16:47.02 | cjb | linuxxr: happens with me, too |
| 16:47.17 | linuxxr | cjb u have at*t? |
| 16:47.20 | cjb | yes |
| 16:47.27 | linuxxr | usa? |
| 16:47.29 | Yashy | Sometimes mine says Registering... even though it has connected to Rogers. Sometimes it says Rogers though :) |
| 16:47.30 | cjb | yes |
| 16:48.31 | linuxxr | well mine always wont connect when registering |
| 16:48.36 | gargoyle_grin | I'm in USA as well. |
| 16:48.41 | Yashy | just doing an opkg update: |
| 16:48.43 | Yashy | xsystem: ERROR: fork failed before execution: `rm -fr /tmp/opkg-mEx3Sl |
| 16:48.43 | Yashy | ' |
| 16:48.43 | Yashy | WARNING: Unable to remove temporary directory: /tmp/opkg-mEx3Sl: Cannot allocate memory |
| 16:48.51 | linuxxr | then sometimes it connects right up |
| 16:49.05 | linuxxr | sometimes it takes 1 minuit |
| 16:49.21 | gargoyle_grin | Sometimes mine takes a few minutes, but it always connects eventually, as far as I've seen. |
| 16:51.34 | tc | In 2007.2 I can get the matchbox keyboard to toggle but not the multitap-pad - can anyone tell me how? I can't find anything about it in the wiki.. |
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| 16:52.33 | ThomasB | Yashy, i once observed this too... maybe it really doesn't have enough memory (opkg probably needs a fair amount of RAM) |
| 16:52.54 | ThomasB | i solved it by temporarily shutting down X, freeing some RAM |
| 16:56.33 | ThomasB | i also remember some mails on devel about memory leaks in opkg, so maybe this gets better in the future |
| 16:56.41 | Zorkman | navit never sees any satellites, is there a way to check if the GPS is aquiring data? (e.g. to read the NMEA data) |
| 16:58.11 | SpeedEvil | cat /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 16:58.33 | Chox | dog /dev/bone |
| 16:59.52 | gargoyle_grin | rofl. |
| 17:01.05 | flexd | someone should make a cat clone called dog. |
| 17:01.12 | flexd | if there isnt already ^_^ |
| 17:01.35 | flexd | (or just link it/copy it over) |
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| 17:04.54 | Yashy | ThomasB: OK will try |
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| 17:11.30 | zmoll | I got my freerunner delivered half an hour ago, and it came with the capacitor already on the SD socket pins (for the GPS malarky) |
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| 17:11.51 | cjb | zmoll: neat |
| 17:11.54 | Chox | :o |
| 17:12.07 | zmoll | I am as happy as a cheerful thing |
| 17:12.24 | Chox | tor-nadeer in a trailer park |
| 17:14.09 | Yashy | zmoll: Here are the steps I followed when I got mine, YMMV: http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner |
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| 17:14.49 | zmoll | As i have 0 software skills, is there anything useful (to the community) I could do? Like test the GPS with and without SD card? Or is there plenty of results for that? |
| 17:15.09 | Chox | help organize the wiki. |
| 17:15.29 | Chox | test stuff no one else seems to be testing |
| 17:15.37 | Chox | QA on bug reports. |
| 17:15.47 | Chox | dance for our amusement. |
| 17:15.49 | zmoll | Thanks, Yashy, bookmarked that :-) |
| 17:16.11 | zmoll | hehe, would not be amusing |
| 17:16.25 | Chox | zmoll: please avoid Yashy's wiki. It's his own incomplete and misleading information about the FR that should be on the main wiki. |
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| 17:16.35 | Chox | he has been trolling here with it for the last week. |
| 17:16.36 | Stroller | zmoll: if you want to help with the wiki, the -documentation mailing list is worth reading |
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| 17:18.10 | Stroller | Chox: there are some good arguments for an independent wiki. There\s some suggestion by Openmoko that they're going to take stuff off the wiki onto the .com site once it's "stable" |
| 17:18.39 | Chox | Stroller: I've yet to here them, and I've know first hand plenty otherwise. |
| 17:18.58 | Chox | there's a good argument for an external "news" site, however |
| 17:19.00 | Yashy | If the openmoko wiki had stable information, I wouldn't have one hundreds use |
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| 17:19.15 | Chox | Yashy's trolling is selfish, no more. |
| 17:19.27 | zmoll | I will have a look at wikis. |
| 17:19.33 | Stroller | what's the URL, Yashy ? |
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| 17:19.46 | Chox | Yes, let's fragment the information _furhter_ |
| 17:19.54 | Yashy | Stroller: http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner |
| 17:20.03 | Stroller | TY |
| 17:20.07 | tc | zmoll: where did you get the freerunner from? |
| 17:20.16 | Yashy | I don't try to compete with the openmoko wiki, I just list the steps I follow when my phone bricks :) |
| 17:20.29 | zmoll | tc : the ups man. hahahahaha |
| 17:20.42 | zmoll | Truebox |
| 17:20.47 | Yashy | I also ignore Chox, so don't see his trolling, so who knows what he's trolling about now. |
| 17:20.52 | Stroller | Chox: I'm sorry, but I don't want to contribute to corporate sock-puppetry |
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| 17:21.02 | Chox | Stroller: I have no idea what you're on about. |
| 17:21.04 | Yashy | I recommend you check out both, and see what works for you |
| 17:21.27 | Chox | Stroller: Yashy's information is incomplete, misleading and time wasting for those of us trying to give genuine help. |
| 17:21.45 | Stroller | Then let him fix it |
| 17:21.48 | Yashy | Stroller: becareful feeding the trolls, you could waste a lot of time :) |
| 17:22.07 | Chox | I have seen his type before. He thinks he's doing a wonderful thing by providing short term fixes and "help", but it really just undermines any overall effort |
| 17:22.14 | Stroller | lol |
| 17:22.17 | Stroller | Whatever |
| 17:22.21 | Chox | lots of losers? |
| 17:22.22 | Stroller | I'm sorry I spoke |
| 17:22.25 | Chox | why? |
| 17:22.41 | Chox | I'm sorry you suggested I'm at the beck and call of coporate overlords. |
| 17:23.37 | Stroller | Chox: I didn't say you were |
| 17:23.46 | Yashy | You don't need to msg me his text, I have him on ignore for a reason |
| 17:24.07 | Yashy | If the openmoko wiki wasn't incomplete and misleading, mine wouldn't be so popular :) |
| 17:24.07 | Chox | Stroller: then perhaps you care to explain your statement about sock puppets? |
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| 17:24.25 | Stroller | just wants the channel to know he isn't private messaging anyone |
| 17:24.32 | Stroller | Chox: if you have patience, I will |
| 17:24.40 | Chox | certainly. |
| 17:25.03 | Stroller | At the end of the day, the openmoko wiki is owned by Openmoko.com, FIC Inc, whatever |
| 17:25.11 | Chox | I disagree. |
| 17:25.15 | Stroller | They make open phone hardware |
| 17:25.20 | Stroller | That's wonderful |
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| 17:26.05 | Chox | "Content is available under GNU Free Documentation License 1.2" |
| 17:26.07 | Yashy | FWIW: I contribute to the openmoko corporate wiki, the GTA02_WLAN page was pretty much me |
| 17:27.04 | Stroller | But I don't buy into their whole "interacting with a creative community of individuals to self-actualize a whole vision" thing |
| 17:27.05 | Guilt | importing my contacts was the best thing i did |
| 17:27.13 | Guilt | that python script rocks :-) |
| 17:27.35 | Stroller | Openmoko "don't take votes" - they do it their way |
| 17:28.15 | Stroller | And so I don't want to contribute my work and then have them make it into static pages on their .com site |
| 17:28.21 | Guilt | and, because I didn't have a vcard already, i needed to write another proggie to import from a text file into vcard :-) |
| 17:28.25 | Stroller | I just don't choose to buy into their software vision |
| 17:28.28 | Guilt | still, the effort was minimal |
| 17:28.47 | Guilt | Stroller: sup |
| 17:29.04 | Stroller | And I can't see how one can be confident that the wiki will remain independent when the domain is owned by FIC. |
| 17:29.06 | Stroller | Hey, Guilt |
| 17:29.12 | Chox | Stroller: I might agree, except I don't really think there's any vision at all. There's a decided vacuum in terms of software direction. |
| 17:29.31 | Chox | you don't need to be. The licencing protects it |
| 17:29.35 | Guilt | Stroller: FIC had openmoko, they spun off |
| 17:29.39 | Stroller | I think they have this fantastic bunch of ideas which they're lame at implementing |
| 17:29.49 | Guilt | yeah. there isnt any focus |
| 17:30.12 | Guilt | even in general desktop linux, there isn't a consensus on what library is better |
| 17:30.12 | Chox | I agree the wiki is a mostly a huge mess. I don't agree that a half-arsed replication of incomplete and incorrect information elsewhere is the way to fix it. |
| 17:30.15 | Guilt | gtk or QT |
| 17:30.30 | Stroller | Guilt: yeah, but sometimes it's easier to say FIC than "Openmoko the company". I guess FIC have a large stake in Openmoko |
| 17:30.32 | Stroller | still |
| 17:30.35 | tc | zmoll: thanks :) |
| 17:30.37 | Chox | especially since the motivation behind Yashy's wiki is clearly quite selfish |
| 17:30.38 | Guilt | Chox: well. Openmoko has to publish official documentation then |
| 17:30.47 | lindi- | Chox: it's very informative still |
| 17:30.56 | Guilt | Stroller: the best part is, FIC just makes the hardware |
| 17:30.59 | Chox | Guilt: why do they _have_ to? |
| 17:31.04 | Guilt | the remaining is what you put into it. |
| 17:31.13 | lindi- | Chox: i only wish there was better way to search than wget -r && grep -rE "..." . |
| 17:31.17 | Guilt | Chox: then there is no way you can prevent crap in the wiki |
| 17:31.18 | Guilt | ;) |
| 17:31.31 | Stroller | Guilt: as far as I'm concerned that's all Openmoko Inc or FIC make. I can't wait for Ubuntomoko, FreeMoko or whatever |
| 17:31.36 | Chox | Guilt: It can mostly be prevented, but that's beside the point. Another wiki is just more crap. |
| 17:31.55 | Guilt | Stroller: i don't really care which distro/program anyway. as long as ONE version works |
| 17:32.06 | Guilt | Chox: not another wiki |
| 17:32.13 | Guilt | wiki for unofficial community stuff |
| 17:32.19 | Guilt | formal documentation elsewhere |
| 17:32.26 | Yashy | Guilt: With open hardware, it's only time until there are multiple working software solutions |
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| 17:32.55 | Guilt | Yashy: there already are multiple distros |
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| 17:33.05 | Guilt | it'll be a short while till they put *BSD onto it |
| 17:33.06 | Chox | such splits happen elsewhere, when the main company has no way for the community to contribute. This is not the case here, and generally, it's a worse solution. |
| 17:33.18 | Yashy | The advantage of things being "open" is anyone can do what they want with it, and others can choose to particpate or ignore. |
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| 17:33.39 | Stroller | Chox: well, anyway, I'm not getting involved in you & Yashy. I think you should judge on the content, not his "selfish" motivations. But if I have anything of significance to write, I'll be putting it on my own site, too. This is the same way most Linux documentation has always worked - you Google what you're interested in, open the first 4 or 5 hits in different tabs and pick & choose between all of them. |
| 17:33.40 | Guilt | Stroller: when they said 'developer mobile' they were quite right |
| 17:34.11 | Chox | Stroller: I search for Linux stuff on Google several times every day. TBH, it's dire. |
| 17:34.22 | Chox | if I want accurate OM documentation, I want to look on the OM wiki. |
| 17:34.48 | Yashy | I find the only negative discussion around openmoko is the constant trolling by Chox :) It is undeniably the least productive movement around openmoko. |
| 17:34.51 | Stroller | Guilt: absolutely. But they also said lots of "innovative community participation, blue sky vision bullshit", and that kinda blinded me, for one. |
| 17:34.57 | lindi- | Stroller: depending on google is not nice :) |
| 17:35.33 | Chox | I have been giving help in terms of documentation and wikis for a very very long time. My opinion on this matter is based upon hard experience |
| 17:35.35 | Guilt | Stroller: well. so there is innovate participation |
| 17:35.46 | Guilt | tangogps, om2007.2, etc. |
| 17:35.47 | Yashy | http://www.cuil.com/ an alternate to google with a better privacy policy. Good thing they didn't listen to Chox :) |
| 17:35.55 | linuxxr | well a linuxquestions.org site is a good thought that would take it out of the corps hands and make EVERYBODY happy |
| 17:36.25 | Guilt | in most open source projects it's talk after you code |
| 17:36.29 | Guilt | but there should be some consensus among what distro is right, at least from FIC/Openmoko's point of view |
| 17:36.45 | Guilt | or if they want to experiment for a while and merge things together, that's okay too. |
| 17:36.58 | Guilt | but there ought to be _ONE_ official release, that is true |
| 17:36.58 | linuxxr | still trying to bring to the surface that stack |
| 17:36.59 | lindi- | Yashy: we'd need a search engine where the crawled data is not held by only a single entity |
| 17:37.13 | linuxxr | yup |
| 17:37.13 | Guilt | if that stack is up, i'd be damn happy. |
| 17:37.16 | Chox | search engines are an irrelevant conflation of this issue. |
| 17:37.18 | Guilt | is phoneme in the stack? |
| 17:37.19 | Yashy | lindi-: True, there are a few like this, but they still suck |
| 17:37.21 | Guilt | or java se? |
| 17:37.44 | Stroller | Guilt: yeah, but community participation is limited when Openmoko say "screw you, we're removing the button" |
| 17:37.52 | Yashy | lindi: http://www.majestic12.co.uk/ for example. |
| 17:37.55 | Guilt | Stroller: they should make it democratic |
| 17:38.01 | Guilt | like, vote or get lost. |
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| 17:38.11 | Guilt | at least device owners should get to vote |
| 17:38.17 | Stroller | Guilt: IMO, yes. Or Openmoko Inc should stick to hardware and _minimal_ software. |
| 17:38.23 | Chox | storller: I think that's a bit contrived. If it really came to that, the wiki would be forked. |
| 17:38.39 | Chox | but that's not an issue at present, and forcing the issue will not improve things. |
| 17:38.42 | Guilt | Chox: voting helps |
| 17:38.45 | linuxxr | whats wrong with forks anyways? |
| 17:39.09 | Chox | linuxxr: ASU, GTK, FSO :o |
| 17:39.18 | Stroller | Chox: I'm not sure what you're saying is contrived. |
| 17:39.21 | gargoyle_grin | They're all tined and pokey. Just try eating soup with them. |
| 17:39.23 | linuxxr | suse forked off slackware an so on |
| 17:39.24 | Chox | Guilt: accurate information is better. |
| 17:39.25 | Yashy | I'd like to see more forks of corporate environments, like telcos :) |
| 17:39.45 | Guilt | Chox: votes are democratic? |
| 17:39.49 | Guilt | and accurate? |
| 17:39.50 | Chox | oh please. |
| 17:39.53 | Guilt | why not. |
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| 17:40.05 | Guilt | well. let FIC bring out an official list of customers |
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| 17:40.12 | Guilt | keep a support account for them; |
| 17:40.22 | Guilt | keep a common voting day on software stack/issues |
| 17:40.25 | Guilt | and get to work. |
| 17:40.29 | lindi- | Yashy: is that free software? |
| 17:40.29 | Chox | ok, never mind, I don't want a disucssion on politics ;-) my real point is that a wiki committee isn't likely to help stuff either. |
| 17:40.30 | Stroller | lol |
| 17:41.00 | Guilt | Chox: see that's the problem with dictatorship ;) |
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| 17:41.32 | Guilt | have you heard of JSR? |
| 17:41.35 | Chox | they get stuff done? ;-) |
| 17:41.38 | Yashy | lindi: Majestic12? yup. |
| 17:41.42 | Guilt | i'm not sure if it's exactly great, but it works. |
| 17:41.49 | Guilt | Chox: what stuff done? |
| 17:41.49 | Stroller | JSR: didn't he write Lord Of The Rings? |
| 17:41.59 | lindi- | Yashy: i haven't found licensing info |
| 17:42.01 | Chox | dunno. I think we're losing track here. |
| 17:42.10 | Guilt | Java Specification Request |
| 17:42.26 | Guilt | Chox: many things aren't even usable, for once. |
| 17:42.43 | Guilt | i'm not blaming them. but they ought to put those on high priority. |
| 17:42.53 | Guilt | if their current stack works beautifully, alright! :-) |
| 17:42.56 | Chox | anyway, the very important point is that the information we _do have_ on the wiki is made accurate. Random shit that others thought up instead isn't in anybody's interest |
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| 17:43.15 | Yashy | lindi-: it's BSD IIRC |
| 17:43.23 | Chox | Guilt: well, yes. everyone agrees the software forking is a big mess. but I'm not really discussing that. |
| 17:43.25 | lindi- | Yashy: 'I wish my competitors well, but I am not inclined to give them free ride - a lot of code that I have was written and rewritten many times to get very high performance out of it - I would not want to sell it for money, yet alone give it to them for free.' |
| 17:43.39 | lindi- | Yashy: the source code does not seem to be available |
| 17:43.59 | Yashy | lindi-: http://www.majestic12.co.uk/projects/dsearch/download.php |
| 17:44.00 | lindi- | Yashy: 'The project is not open source at the moment -' |
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| 17:44.19 | lindi- | Yashy: i can't find source from that page |
| 17:44.28 | lindi- | Yashy: only binaries |
| 17:44.44 | Chox | I hope I've demonstrated that with the USB Networking page rewrite. Beside Yashy's attempt to distract people, we've had a _lot_ fewer questions about how to making networking work. |
| 17:45.21 | Yashy | lindi-: not sure, I don't use it. There are a few distributed search engines out there, as I said, they just suck so far :) (but have the potential to be great) |
| 17:45.22 | lindi- | Yashy: so it looks proprietary software to me :( |
| 17:45.24 | Guilt | Chox: btw. any idea why the battery discharges quicker with the newer OM 2007.2 uImage s? |
| 17:45.41 | lindi- | Yashy: yacy should be almost free software |
| 17:45.43 | Yashy | lindi-: It's not like google or cuill are open source alternatives... |
| 17:45.44 | Chox | Guilt: I have no idea. Need experts on all these things to make the wiki good. |
| 17:45.55 | Yashy | doh yacy was the otherone I couldn't remember |
| 17:46.17 | Yashy | Those are the two I tried last I looked, still seemed beta |
| 17:48.15 | Chox | Stroller: TBH, I'm still not sure what your point is. You object to potential overlordship (understandable) yet there's been none, and if there was, alternative arragements would be made. |
| 17:48.16 | Guilt | Chox: here is a question on uImage.. |
| 17:48.28 | Chox | Guilt: yessir? |
| 17:48.33 | Guilt | if i dfu-ed a uImage, will the data in /etc/ get wiped out? |
| 17:48.40 | Chox | no |
| 17:48.40 | Guilt | and on /home/root |
| 17:48.43 | Chox | nope |
| 17:48.49 | Guilt | what does uImage exactly do? |
| 17:48.53 | Guilt | where does it put it's files |
| 17:48.53 | Chox | it's the kernel |
| 17:48.56 | Chox | its :p |
| 17:48.59 | Guilt | the vmlinuz, u mean? |
| 17:49.24 | Guilt | or it's arm equivalent? |
| 17:49.26 | Chox | well, vmlinuz is just one way of making a kernel that's suitable for bootloader. uImage is vmlinuz with some additional headers. |
| 17:49.29 | Chox | its! |
| 17:49.52 | Guilt | cool. i want to flash the new kernel. |
| 17:49.56 | Chox | there's no generalizations to be had in the ARM world. uImage is normally used by uboot, however. |
| 17:50.09 | Guilt | or i could do a opkg upgrade |
| 17:50.20 | Guilt | but the problem with opkg upgrade is i am unable to boot it later :( |
| 17:50.31 | Guilt | the 2007.2 |
| 17:50.55 | Centaur5 | After googling for hours I finally found out where the desktop icons are stored and I see that tangogps.desktop is there but it doesn't show up on the ASU. I haven't found a fix for this any ideas? |
| 17:51.39 | Hobart | hmm. Just enquired w/ Tungsten graphics how much $$ they usually require to put together an accelerated X server port, looks like $200k-500k. That's one hell of a bake sale. |
| 17:51.40 | Chox | Centuar: thanks for pointing out the problems with Google and finding stuff :o |
| 17:51.58 | Chox | expen$ive |
| 17:52.10 | Stroller | Chox: there's already been the stupid keyboard thing. That has only been returned as an option because there was such furore about it. When i choose a distro I don't want to have a furore over the stuff I want - I want open and full design documents & community input. What'll happen next time is that it'll be something I care about & no-one else does. Already some 3rd part developers (Marcus & all) are seeing this - there's stuff ha |
| 17:52.24 | Stroller | prolly got cut off their |
| 17:52.28 | Stroller | prolly got cut off there, too |
| 17:52.32 | ajbrun | has anyone else found the case on the freerunner to be almost impossible to get into? |
| 17:52.56 | ajbrun | do you just prise, or push and prise? |
| 17:53.08 | Yashy | Guilt: http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner#Flashing more accurate and up to date than the corporate wiki when I wrote it on flashing your kernel :) |
| 17:53.10 | Stroller | ajbrun: you mean the battery? I insert a coin and twist |
| 17:53.20 | Chox | well, I agree. But that's the mess that is the software stack, and predictible outcome of different companies with different requirements (OM vs TT). But that's less relevant to the wiki. |
| 17:53.38 | ajbrun | to open the case |
| 17:53.54 | Chox | there's no obvious direction for anything expect perhaps FSO |
| 17:54.07 | Chox | but that's clearly going to take some time. |
| 17:54.20 | tkep | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2SED6sewRw <---reallly really good kernel information video (generic linux info) |
| 17:54.28 | tkep | figured you guys would enjoy watching |
| 17:54.30 | ajbrun | don't think i have a thin enough coin :p |
| 17:54.36 | Yashy | Stroller: What did you have after "there's stuff ha..."? |
| 17:54.45 | Chox | Guilt: in other words, Yashy selfishly updated his wiki, rather than updating the main one with accurate information. |
| 17:54.47 | Guilt | Yashy: i use dfu-util |
| 17:54.49 | Guilt | that's okay. |
| 17:54.57 | Stroller | Already some 3rd part developers (Marcus & all) are seeing this - there's stuff happening in ASU / FSO that most people don't understand. They do, however, see the ramifications, and FIC aren't listening. |
| 17:55.01 | Chox | assuming his information is more accurate, of which I'm dubious |
| 17:55.06 | Guilt | i'm asking why is it when i do a opkg upgrade does it fuck up other things |
| 17:55.28 | Yashy | Guilt: It just shows the dfu-util syntax if you're not familiar. Nothing to see here :) |
| 17:56.03 | Stroller | Chox: well, I'm just not participating in anything software (or in any way "soft") from Openmoko. I'll buy their hardware because that's what I want from them. I'll prolly buy GTA03 & 04 & onwards |
| 17:56.06 | Chox | Guilt: without knowing specifics, I can only guess. |
| 17:56.14 | Guilt | opkg upgrade |
| 17:56.19 | Guilt | blah... whole list of stuff |
| 17:56.28 | Guilt | then i reboot my openmoko. won't boot |
| 17:56.49 | Chox | although opkg upgrade on unstable software will always pull in lots of stuff that might not have been tested together. |
| 17:56.59 | Chox | there's simply not the rigor or processes in places that exist for example in Debian |
| 17:57.04 | Yashy | Guilt: perhaps upgrade also upgrades your kernel, which may still be bugging since 7/28? |
| 17:57.14 | Chox | and such processes require lots of people. |
| 17:57.29 | Stroller | I acknowledge that anythign I say against Openmoko can be completely negated by them - all they have to do is say "we make Open hardware which runs Linux and which you can compile & flash yourself" and I just have to roll over & play dead. They won. |
| 17:57.31 | Yashy | s/bugging/buggy |
| 17:57.40 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rd9063639ba42 10/setup.py: |
| 17:57.40 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: Revert "Use absolute path for the config files in setup.py" |
| 17:57.40 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 253906f561fa8d8dbb24a492bbe18abb4f9d6387 which |
| 17:57.40 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: breaks OE installation as we need to install into relative paths. |
| 17:57.59 | Chox | Stroller: I don't understand why. |
| 17:58.12 | Chox | what have they won? And why would you be worse off? |
| 17:58.18 | Yashy | Stroller: I also bought the NF for the hardware, and enjoy watching different software solutions appear until I find one I like. |
| 17:58.44 | Stroller | Chox: They have won all arguments. |
| 17:58.50 | Guilt | Yashy: hm? |
| 17:59.01 | Yashy | It is choice that is the important part to me. |
| 17:59.10 | Stroller | Chox: Openmoko make the ONLY "Open mobile phone which runs Linux and which you can compile & flash yourself" |
| 17:59.27 | Yashy | Guilt: try the 7/27 kernel and see if that works. I had that issue on 7/28 and trying the 7/27 one fixed my issue. |
| 17:59.29 | Stroller | Chox: I'll wash their feet forever for that |
| 17:59.48 | Stroller | (as long as they continue to make source code available for kernel modules & stuff) |
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| 18:00.38 | Chox | I guess I still don't understand your point. perhaps I'm missing some aspect of your philopshy. |
| 18:01.02 | Stroller | But the hardware is all I want from them. I don't want their mapping software which "allows you to share location information with your friends" because I know they'll do it exactly the way I don't want it done. |
| 18:01.11 | Chox | I agree. |
| 18:01.20 | Chox | so do you have some argument with OM? |
| 18:01.33 | Guilt | i use 7/29 now |
| 18:01.47 | Guilt | and already 7/31 is up. Yashy, is 7/31 okay? |
| 18:01.56 | Stroller | Chox: it's simple. I want hardware from Openmoko, not software. I'll support their hardware any way I can (buying it is the only way I immediately see how) but not their crappy software. |
| 18:02.16 | Yashy | Guilt: not sure, try it? :) |
| 18:02.16 | Chox | Guilt: please stop pandering to yashy's information. He's not an expert, just a hack. |
| 18:02.46 | Guilt | :-o |
| 18:02.52 | Yashy | Guilt: The old kernels are online, so if the new one doesn't work you can simply revert to an older one. |
| 18:03.26 | Guilt | true |
| 18:03.35 | Guilt | but the problem isn't kernel per se |
| 18:03.43 | Guilt | either it's the ipks or it's a buggy opkg |
| 18:04.12 | Guilt | it's only after the upgrade do things go horribly wrong |
| 18:04.18 | Yashy | all of the software is still buggy :) |
| 18:04.30 | Guilt | XD |
| 18:05.07 | Stroller | Yes. And it's ALL YOUR FAULT, Yashy |
| 18:05.12 | Chox | :o |
| 18:05.13 | Stroller | Yashy: SPLITTER! |
| 18:05.46 | Guilt | btw. i always end up with 2 devices: |
| 18:05.46 | Guilt | Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" |
| 18:05.46 | Guilt | Found Runtime: [0x413c:0x8126] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=3, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" |
| 18:05.48 | Stroller | Ayashy |
| 18:05.52 | Stroller | ~yashy |
| 18:05.53 | apt | yashy is, like, a splitter! |
| 18:05.57 | Stroller | :P |
| 18:06.07 | Guilt | so i need to do -d 0x1d50:0x5119 .. is that happening elsewhere too? |
| 18:06.10 | Chox | ~chox |
| 18:06.19 | Chox | ~chocky |
| 18:06.22 | Chox | :( |
| 18:06.48 | Yashy | giggles |
| 18:07.13 | Yashy | started the the bsd/sysv split |
| 18:07.39 | Yashy | I've been hibernating since, so I decided to spice things up |
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| 18:09.23 | mmontour | Guilt: that other device in the dfu-util output looks like a bluetooth adapter |
| 18:09.34 | Guilt | oh? |
| 18:09.37 | Guilt | no idea. |
| 18:09.41 | Chox | put the USB IDs into Google. |
| 18:09.46 | Chox | one thing it's good for :o |
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| 18:09.51 | Guilt | btw. i'm getting CRCFAIL 0x1a3f .. is that normal? |
| 18:10.00 | Guilt | Chox: hmm :-) |
| 18:10.01 | mmontour | Anyway, "-d 0x1d50:0x5119" is correct for the Freerunner |
| 18:10.11 | Guilt | yeah. i figured that by lsusb |
| 18:10.24 | Chox | there's a parameter where you an specific the device to dfu |
| 18:10.33 | Guilt | -d |
| 18:10.37 | Guilt | ^^ that one |
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| 18:10.45 | mmontour | I don't know what that CRCFAIL means |
| 18:10.54 | Guilt | Chox: any idea about CRCFAIL? |
| 18:10.59 | Chox | sorry, no |
| 18:11.24 | Guilt | do u get it in dmesg ? |
| 18:11.39 | Stroller | Guilt: the CRCfail is during FR boot? |
| 18:11.44 | Chox | oh, from the kernel. I think that's normal |
| 18:11.50 | Chox | wouldn't worry too much about it. |
| 18:12.07 | Chox | as long as it's otherwise working :o |
| 18:13.15 | Yashy | # dmesg | grep CRCFAIL | wc -l |
| 18:13.15 | Yashy | 6 |
| 18:13.37 | Guilt | yes |
| 18:13.53 | Guilt | with 2007.2 / july 31 image |
| 18:14.10 | Guilt | hmm: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022525.html |
| 18:14.47 | Guilt | 'However, PMU driver was feeling this way before userspace got started |
| 18:14.47 | Guilt | and therefore before pid 1 existed. It turned out that Linux reacts to |
| 18:14.47 | Guilt | this situation by killing the nearest thing to hand, which was the JFFS2 |
| 18:14.47 | Guilt | garbage collection thread, with a variety of outcomes including failure |
| 18:14.47 | Guilt | to complete mount of rootfs. It's long fixed.' |
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| 18:19.42 | hiigarabound | what is the difference between flashing to the most recent image and just using opkg upgrade? |
| 18:20.19 | Yashy | with flashing you lose the audit trail/versioning |
| 18:21.10 | hiigarabound | I'm sorry, I am not exactly sure what that'll do for me. |
| 18:21.23 | Yashy | not much, probably. Do whichever works best for you. |
| 18:21.44 | hiigarabound | Great, thanks! |
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| 18:23.32 | Yashy | dbus-launch gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/poky/interface/wallpaper ./media/card/P123.jpg |
| 18:23.43 | Yashy | How would I make such a change permanent? |
| 18:24.57 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rdde4f8abd338 10/setup.py: install /etc files into proper location |
| 18:27.59 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5b0878b69037 10/setup.py: one layer down |
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| 18:34.15 | Chox | Stroller: so, er. It's not that I disgree with much that you've said, it's just that none of it address the wiki content. |
| 18:34.52 | Stroller | shrugs at Chox |
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| 18:36.07 | Chox | it seems like you expect OM to make open hardware and then throw it open, and the community, such as it is, to provide the wiki, and some cohesion in terms of software. Only the 3rd item there is the part that is not really true. correct? |
| 18:37.13 | Guilt | Yashy: put it in .xsession? |
| 18:37.51 | Yashy | Guilt: Will do :) I didn't know if you can manually edit ~/.gconf/desktop/poky/interface |
| 18:38.00 | Yashy | or somehow make those files static |
| 18:38.05 | Guilt | anyway. check out /etc/X11/Xserver |
| 18:38.58 | Guilt | /usr/share/pixmaps/xsplash-vga.ppm |
| 18:39.22 | Guilt | oops. that's splash |
| 18:39.42 | Guilt | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.55 | Guilt | Yashy: here are some good ones: http://www.zaurusthemes.biz/content/wallpapers/480x640/index.html |
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| 18:42.19 | Yashy | I just shrunk some of my own and scp'd them to /media/disk |
| 18:43.12 | Guilt | :-) |
| 18:43.19 | Guilt | i'm thinking of keeping symlinks |
| 18:44.07 | Guilt | imagemagick rocks. convert blah.jpg blah.png |
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| 18:45.49 | Yashy | In Xserver there are +10 options in the case statement. I'm assuming we only want the GTA01/GTA02 option. If I remove the rest, wheer would I submit the diff? |
| 18:46.12 | Chox | to your wiki, surely? |
| 18:46.25 | Chox | wouldn't want any kind of coordination. |
| 18:46.57 | Guilt | yup. moving the wallpaper worked. |
| 18:47.07 | Guilt | Chox: grr |
| 18:47.16 | Guilt | you know, |
| 18:47.26 | Guilt | when some guy wants to help, you should let them ;) |
| 18:47.26 | Chox | I know what? |
| 18:47.37 | Chox | Guilt: correct. Now let's turn that around. |
| 18:47.54 | Yashy | Guilt: don't feed the troll :) |
| 18:47.58 | Chox | yashy's half-arsed information seriously undermines the ability of myself or others to help using correct information. |
| 18:48.36 | Chox | if he wants to provide stuff in a community environment, he needs to be open to critique and correct. |
| 18:48.54 | Chox | er, corrections :p |
| 18:49.32 | Yashy | In Xserver there are +10 options in the case statement. I'm assuming we only want the GTA01/GTA02 option. If I remove the rest, where would I submit the diff? |
| 18:49.32 | aggtrfrad | my buttons at the upper right dissapear, is there any fix for that? im using the stable release |
| 18:49.53 | Chox | \o/ http://www.siliconvalley.com/ci_10039461?nclick_check=1 |
| 18:49.54 | Yashy | aggtrfrad: # /etc/init.d/xserv* restart |
| 18:49.59 | aggtrfrad | .. |
| 18:50.41 | Yashy | Didn't work? |
| 18:50.55 | aggtrfrad | i meant without having to rr X |
| 18:50.59 | aggtrfrad | but ty :p |
| 18:51.18 | Guilt | why do you have to fight each other eh |
| 18:51.23 | Guilt | the world is going to end ;) |
| 18:52.07 | Yashy | Guilt: I have him on ignore, I realize there was no productivity otherwise. My issue is others don't do the same and get sucked in to the vortex :) |
| 18:52.29 | Chox | sigh, hypocrite. |
| 18:52.32 | Guilt | well. i can't say more. |
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| 18:52.39 | Guilt | we could all learn to live together |
| 18:53.03 | Chox | Guilt: certainly. As soon as he wants to work with others maintaining correct information the wiki. |
| 18:53.18 | Chox | and is open to corrections and critique of his work as I am |
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| 18:54.55 | Guilt | Yashy: what's wrong with updating the wiki? |
| 18:55.00 | Chox | Guilt: although I happen to notice the rather one-sidedness of _your_ critisism to date. |
| 18:55.09 | Guilt | Chox: hmm? |
| 18:55.15 | Yashy | Guilt: I update the corporate wiki and my own? |
| 18:55.25 | Guilt | what corporate wiki? |
| 18:55.42 | Chox | The OM wiki is not coporote in any meaningful sense. |
| 18:55.48 | Yashy | Guilt: You'll soon realize he's an immature troll. I've moved on, I want to stay productive instead of participating in juvenille discussions. |
| 18:55.49 | Chox | corporate |
| 18:55.54 | Guilt | you mean the main pages vs. your own page? |
| 18:56.17 | Yashy | the openmoko wiki and hackepedia wiki, I participate in both. |
| 18:56.29 | Chox | appreciates that having accurate and correct information sometimes makes him unpopular. I can live with that. |
| 18:56.36 | Guilt | ohh. |
| 18:57.02 | Chox | I appreciate that those who haven't spent many years helping others won't always appreciate how difficult it is. |
| 18:57.57 | Guilt | Chox: probably we should all be asking for reviews before posting on the openmoko wiki |
| 18:58.04 | Guilt | everybody, for that matter |
| 18:58.17 | Guilt | maybe that could sort the personal issues out |
| 18:58.29 | Guilt | just my thoughts. |
| 18:58.30 | Chox | there's not personal. It's about accuracy. |
| 18:58.43 | Guilt | Chox: re-read. :-) |
| 18:58.52 | Chox | in any case, I think you'll find that I _did_ get my Netwoking page reviewed. |
| 18:58.52 | Guilt | brb |
| 18:59.09 | Chox | so please be careful to whom you are offering advice. |
| 18:59.32 | Dave | \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ |
| 18:59.39 | Chox | er, Mexican Dave |
| 18:59.40 | Dave | dance everybody, dance! |
| 19:00.24 | Chox | what did you break today? |
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| 19:02.38 | tkep | so, which os is best for battery life? that's my main concern atm |
| 19:02.46 | tkep | or is it more of a kernel issue? |
| 19:03.19 | Chox | will mostly be a kernel issue, but how it's invoked from the distro will matter a little |
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| 19:04.03 | Dave | :) |
| 19:04.07 | tkep | right, i understand the underpinnings. but an actual os knowing how to truly call suspend vs the kernel actually having working suspend are two different things |
| 19:04.25 | Dave | What DIDN'T I break |
| 19:04.26 | tkep | anyone familiar enough with it all know which gives the best battery life, or is it solely the kernel's fault for bad battery? |
| 19:04.27 | Dave | :P |
| 19:05.01 | Dave | Joerg! |
| 19:05.07 | Chox | again, that's mostly true, and probably should be 100% true, but there might be some expectations from the kernel about what userspace should do. |
| 19:05.07 | Dave | Fix my power charging woes :( |
| 19:05.32 | tkep | Chox, still not my question. you're discussing theory |
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| 19:05.53 | Chox | I am, but not nearly as much as you think |
| 19:05.55 | tkep | i want to know if there is an os that can work it so that i can get good battery life. or is the kernel still just bad at it so that no OS will work well |
| 19:06.18 | Chox | I'm sorry I don't have precise knowledge of this, but I can talk from first hand experience in similar stuff, and from having looked at _some_ of the suspend code in 2007.2 |
| 19:06.25 | mmontour | Dave! Tell me how to get my BT headset working :( |
| 19:06.38 | tkep | so is 2007.2 my best bet? |
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| 19:06.54 | tkep | right now, i can't go to lunch and back without losing much of my battery |
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| 19:06.59 | Chox | I don't have an answer for that, nor any evidence for that. |
| 19:07.08 | tkep | and that's the biggest thing keeping me from really testing this phone and reporting bugs back |
| 19:07.10 | Chox | but clearly power saving is still very muich a WIP |
| 19:07.16 | tkep | :) |
| 19:07.21 | AntonTakk | tkep: for the short while i had qtopia on my fr it seemed to do very well as far as battery life |
| 19:07.22 | Chox | which is obiouvsly unfornuate for everyone |
| 19:07.25 | tkep | that's an understatement |
| 19:07.33 | tkep | haha, very true chox |
| 19:07.43 | tkep | AntonTakk, good to hear. how was the interface? functional? |
| 19:08.05 | AntonTakk | functional, yes, but it also had a feeling of being somehow glitchy |
| 19:08.39 | tkep | how far off is milestone 2 for FSU? |
| 19:08.49 | tkep | i hear it, as a phone only, is by far the best |
| 19:09.04 | AntonTakk | milestone 2 was released yesterday |
| 19:09.09 | AntonTakk | i am using it atm |
| 19:09.11 | tkep | whoa, awesome |
| 19:09.18 | Chox | och. didn't know that. |
| 19:09.20 | AntonTakk | seems reluctant to register to the gsm network thou |
| 19:09.24 | Chox | \o/ |
| 19:09.25 | tkep | wanders away to have a peek |
| 19:09.57 | tkep | where can i find the images? |
| 19:10.08 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.19 | tkep | thanks |
| 19:10.20 | AntonTakk | tkep: download.openmoko.org |
| 19:10.21 | Chox | FSO for all! |
| 19:10.45 | tkep | got it :) |
| 19:10.49 | AntonTakk | i have searched the wiki for "FSO" not a pleasant experience |
| 19:10.50 | tkep | for some reason i thought it was fsu |
| 19:10.52 | tkep | lol |
| 19:11.02 | tkep | yeah, i find the wiki not a pleasant experience. but you all know that |
| 19:11.06 | Chox | FSck Up? |
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| 19:11.59 | sparrow | waves |
| 19:15.35 | Rigolo | evenign ... |
| 19:15.45 | Rigolo | so, any news here :-) |
| 19:18.16 | Rigolo | looks like no news to me :-0 |
| 19:20.18 | Dave | Rigolo :o |
| 19:20.25 | abraxa_ | Rigolo: Well, "news" is relative for everyone. |
| 19:20.40 | Chox | olds |
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| 19:22.26 | Dave | ologir |
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| 19:24.30 | Kero | friggin' amazing! FSO let's me make calls and does not get confusing by cancelled or rejected calls! |
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| 19:29.09 | Rigolo | Kero: good for you ... :-) |
| 19:29.14 | Rigolo | well .. that is news :-) |
| 19:29.39 | AntonTakk | Kero: any problems getting fso to register to the cell network? |
| 19:30.52 | Kero | no. it accepts my PIN and tells me my provider. I stressed it for a few minutes with broken off calls, because so far (incl FSO milestone 1) with one rejection some state machine got messed up and no incoming calls would even be noticed. |
| 19:31.28 | Kero | reboted once, so did that PIN/provider thing only twice |
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| 19:34.09 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 19:34.20 | AntonTakk | at best it seems painfully slow here |
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| 19:34.34 | AntonTakk | but once it registers, it is fine |
| 19:35.47 | Kero | boting and starting is slow. registering with my other phone is not very fast, either. |
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| 19:35.52 | Rigolo | alphaone: congrats on MS2 :-) |
| 19:36.14 | Kero | I wuld definitely not use the word "painful" :) |
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| 19:37.02 | AntonTakk | Kero: i wonder if me not using a pin has anything to do with it |
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| 19:41.43 | Yasumoto | hey guys, is this how I put milestone2 of FSO onto my SD card (to boot from)? |
| 19:41.45 | Yasumoto | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mounting_the_JFFS2_image_on_a_loop_back_device_.28Block_Memory_MTD_Emulation.29 |
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| 19:43.44 | abraxa_ | Yasumoto: Did you read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD ? |
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| 19:44.51 | Yasumoto | abraxa_: No, I didn't. You're my hero, thanks :) |
| 19:45.12 | abraxa_ | You're welcome |
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| 19:46.35 | aggtrfrad | hey does anyone have the kenny screen locker? |
| 19:48.54 | Chox | I killed him |
| 19:49.43 | abraxa_ | Yasumoto: btw, you might want to check your u-boot first before trying to modify the u-boot env. My u-boot already allows booting from a FAT-formatted SD, for example |
| 19:50.22 | darkjames | Chox, you bastard! |
| 19:50.28 | Yasumoto | abraxa_: Really? |
| 19:50.54 | Yasumoto | cool, I'll look it up |
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| 19:55.17 | Yasumoto | whoa |
| 19:55.26 | Yasumoto | thanks for the heads up, abraxa_ |
| 19:55.32 | Zorkman | whats new? |
| 19:56.29 | alphaone | Rigolo: thanks |
| 19:56.35 | Yasumoto | Zorkman: I'm taking the plunge and breaking away from 2007.2 |
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| 19:57.18 | Zorkman | have fun with it :) |
| 19:57.24 | Zorkman | if you get navit running on either, let me know |
| 20:01.06 | Chox | :o |
| 20:01.49 | Chox | darkman: I accept all blame |
| 20:03.33 | Zorkman | wonders confused "are you referring to me Chox??" |
| 20:04.56 | Chox | what now? |
| 20:05.45 | Zorkman | sorry, thought it might be a joke i didn't understand (darkman <==> zorkman) |
| 20:05.53 | Dave | Zorkman! |
| 20:05.58 | Chox | <darkjames> Chox, you bastard! |
| 20:06.03 | Dave | :) |
| 20:06.04 | Zorkman | llo alway enthousiastic Dave:) |
| 20:06.16 | Yasumoto | so should I rename uImage-2.6.24\+gitr0\+7a1370a816b9348dd8f36a667905 |
| 20:06.23 | Chox | high 5-broken-FRs Dave |
| 20:06.28 | Yasumoto | to uImage.bin ? |
| 20:06.42 | Dave | :D |
| 20:06.44 | Chox | Yasumoto: maybe, if you want uboot to pick it up off SD card |
| 20:06.58 | Chox | otherwise, doesn't matter. |
| 20:07.01 | Yasumoto | Chox: cool, thanks |
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| 20:07.19 | Yasumoto | Chox: that's precisely why, actually |
| 20:07.23 | Chox | okomnepo: you seem mixed up. |
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| 20:07.53 | Chox | Let me sort you out: ekmnooop |
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| 20:09.01 | okomnepo | chox just a bit |
| 20:09.22 | tkep | so, is there a naming issue on the fso download page for milestone 2? |
| 20:09.30 | tkep | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ |
| 20:09.54 | Chox | tkep: don't think so, why? |
| 20:10.01 | tkep | is jffs2.summary for gta02 supposed to not be the .summary? |
| 20:10.14 | tkep | bascially, where is the jffs2 file for gta02? |
| 20:10.15 | Chox | it's a different type of jffs2 image |
| 20:10.18 | tkep | ok |
| 20:10.26 | tkep | so i can flash just as if it were jffs2? |
| 20:10.34 | AntonTakk | wow, downloaded the hvsc archive to see about a new ring tone for fso |
| 20:10.36 | Chox | I believe so. |
| 20:10.37 | mmaestri | tkep: right |
| 20:10.42 | tkep | thanks guys |
| 20:10.43 | mmaestri | i did it |
| 20:10.46 | Chox | woot. |
| 20:10.51 | Chox | will too. |
| 20:11.23 | AntonTakk | 35030 sid files |
| 20:11.23 | mmaestri | and I have to say, it doesn't work as supposed to |
| 20:11.27 | mmaestri | phone stuff |
| 20:11.30 | AntonTakk | in 60 some megs |
| 20:11.35 | Chox | oh well, like ASU then :o |
| 20:11.45 | AntonTakk | asu works fine here |
| 20:12.08 | mmaestri | i had several issues with it working as a phone |
| 20:12.23 | Chox | me too. I don't have a sim :o |
| 20:12.24 | abraxa_ | AntonTakk: I'm sure some people would appreciate it if you'd pick a few good ones and put them somewhere |
| 20:12.26 | mmaestri | the other stuff seems nice to me |
| 20:12.48 | peepsalot | what is difference/purpose of openmoko svn repo vs git ? |
| 20:13.26 | Chox | The former is easier to use :o |
| 20:13.29 | AntonTakk | abraxa_: can do - but i think sifting through 35K sid files will take time :) |
| 20:13.42 | peepsalot | Chox, do they hold the same stuff? |
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| 20:13.52 | Chox | I don't know details. |
| 20:14.09 | peter-b | hi guys |
| 20:14.11 | tkep | flashing to FSO, wish me luck :-D |
| 20:14.19 | Chox | er, good somethings! |
| 20:14.37 | Chox | And don't forget, if it doesn't work - you can blame Dave |
| 20:14.46 | peter-b | anyone ever tried to make a backup image with something like ddif=/dev/mtd ... ? |
| 20:15.06 | Yasumoto | Dude, awesome |
| 20:15.15 | Chox | peter-b: does it not work? |
| 20:15.16 | Yasumoto | my first kernel panic on the freerunner |
| 20:15.28 | peter-b | i dont know |
| 20:15.31 | tkep | peter-b, i would assume, based on my linux/unix knowledge, that would work |
| 20:15.33 | Chox | well then :p |
| 20:15.41 | peter-b | creating the image atm |
| 20:15.46 | tkep | there's no reason (in my mind) that a regular dd wouldn't work |
| 20:16.13 | peter-b | ould be that dfu-util handels the data differefntly |
| 20:16.19 | mmaestri | peter-b: are you trying to make a backup or your fr |
| 20:16.22 | mmaestri | -? |
| 20:16.24 | Chox | dfu-util will expect some header, yes |
| 20:16.25 | Yasumoto | I feel really ridiculous right now, sorry for asking so many questions. Do I need to unpack the image onto the SD card first? |
| 20:16.28 | peter-b | yeah |
| 20:16.35 | peter-b | you know a better way ? |
| 20:16.41 | Chox | Yasumoto: yes, if you want to SD boot |
| 20:16.46 | mmaestri | dfu-util -U ? |
| 20:16.58 | peter-b | is it working now ? |
| 20:17.03 | mmaestri | as opposed of dfu-util -D |
| 20:17.08 | Chox | Yasumoto: in which case, you'll want the .tgz |
| 20:17.14 | Chox | mmontour: magic! |
| 20:17.16 | Chox | er |
| 20:17.18 | peter-b | tried dfu-util upload a couple days ago |
| 20:17.19 | mmaestri | peter-b: don't know, never used it |
| 20:17.19 | Chox | mmeastri |
| 20:17.24 | Yasumoto | Chox: ah, alright |
| 20:17.41 | peter-b | the last time i checke upload with dfu utils was broken |
| 20:17.42 | mmaestri | Chox: mmaestri... |
| 20:17.43 | kd8ikt | hm, i could have swore it was charged when i turned if off and went to sleep |
| 20:17.52 | peter-b | (somewhere in the wiki) |
| 20:18.08 | kd8ikt | the sucker eats batteries weven when powered off |
| 20:18.17 | tkep | kd8ikt, i was just bitching about that |
| 20:18.18 | tkep | :) |
| 20:18.33 | tkep | not the eating batteries while asleep, but just the battery issue |
| 20:18.45 | Chox | mmmmaestrimunchy |
| 20:19.08 | tkep | i'm going to kill the battery by discharging it constantly. by the time good power management is out, i won't know because i have no battery left :( |
| 20:19.29 | Chox | it's all part of the plan to get you to buy a new battery |
| 20:19.49 | AntonTakk | Ghost riders in the sky! :) |
| 20:19.55 | peepsalot | is it ok to call a personal software project moko____, or is that a copyright/trademark problem |
| 20:19.58 | Chox | Riders on the storm? |
| 20:20.06 | tkep | so, i know i asked this before, but just to be clear...assuming the fso installs fine, i can then--just like usual--do an opkg update and upgrade with no changes? |
| 20:20.12 | tkep | or do i need to change the repo list? |
| 20:20.25 | mmaestri | lucy in the sky...? |
| 20:20.34 | Chox | with fossils? |
| 20:21.14 | mmaestri | tkep: you'll have to configure the repos |
| 20:21.39 | mmaestri | fso milestone 2 comes with a placeholder, but no actual repos |
| 20:21.49 | Chox | that's a bit lame |
| 20:21.50 | Dave | YEAH BITCH |
| 20:21.54 | Dave | CHARGE AT TWO AMPS!!! |
| 20:22.04 | Chox | ZZZT!! *poof* |
| 20:22.07 | Dave | pictures jumper cables and 1.21JW |
| 20:22.09 | Dave | :p |
| 20:22.16 | Dave | even though it's just sitting on a charger :) |
| 20:22.17 | Yasumoto | So it looks like the .tgz for milestone 2 hasn't been released yet? |
| 20:22.18 | Chox | Dave, why are you smoking? |
| 20:22.24 | Dave | Smoking? |
| 20:22.27 | Dave | :P |
| 20:22.32 | Chox | from the explosion, cartoon like |
| 20:22.33 | Dave | Bzzzzzzzzzt |
| 20:22.34 | Dave | :D |
| 20:22.47 | Dave | Who's bbq'ing? |
| 20:22.48 | Dave | :p |
| 20:22.51 | Chox | bbq! |
| 20:22.59 | mmaestri | Yasumoto: which tgz? |
| 20:23.07 | Yasumoto | for FSO milestone 2 |
| 20:23.23 | peter-b | the first few bytes of ma dd image look the same as the image i flshed -> should work |
| 20:23.46 | Yasumoto | mmaestri: I want to extract the image onto my SD card and boot from that |
| 20:24.31 | peter-b | opkg upgrade |
| 20:24.35 | peter-b | damn |
| 20:24.40 | peter-b | wrong window :-) |
| 20:24.55 | peepsalot | can FSO milestone 1 be upgraded to milestone 2, or must you flash it? |
| 20:25.09 | mmaestri | Yasumoto: check the wiki |
| 20:26.15 | mmaestri | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Prepare_the_SD_card |
| 20:27.16 | Zorkman | mmaestri: I think he means that there are no instructions for a jffs2 image |
| 20:28.12 | Dave | hoe is het zorkman? :] |
| 20:28.14 | Chox | stupid bluetooth in the laptop |
| 20:28.23 | peepsalot | Zorkman, Yasumoto http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mounting_the_JFFS2_image_on_a_loop_back_device_.28Block_Memory_MTD_Emulation.29 |
| 20:30.29 | peepsalot | can't wait for SHR, so I can have a phone that can quintiple boot :-P |
| 20:30.32 | Dave | Joerg, here? |
| 20:30.43 | Zorkman | everything is fine Dave, except that navit continues to do absolutely nothing |
| 20:30.55 | Zorkman | (well it boots, but doesn't get a fix or anything) |
| 20:31.03 | tkep | mmaestri, is there a page for the repos? or are there repos? |
| 20:32.04 | ajbrun | does anyone know how old the freerunner software is that it comes with? |
| 20:32.14 | Chox | May. |
| 20:32.16 | mmaestri | tkep: seems not. i've added repos from scaredycat, rabenfrost, angstrom, and 2007.2 |
| 20:32.21 | ajbrun | kk |
| 20:32.29 | Chox | mmaestri: hard core |
| 20:33.02 | tkep | any change you could pastebin the file :-D |
| 20:33.07 | tkep | is lazy |
| 20:33.20 | mmaestri | i like variete... |
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| 20:38.49 | Chox | boots FSO! |
| 20:39.57 | Kero | FSO2 does not give me GPS... what's "b G1 w S1" mean, not enough satellites? |
| 20:44.56 | Chox | hm |
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| 20:45.16 | Chox | seems zipper than ASU |
| 20:45.51 | Kero | does ASU run on gta01 these days? |
| 20:46.02 | tkep | Kero, the download page seems to indicate so |
| 20:46.16 | tkep | wait |
| 20:46.19 | tkep | i'm thinking FSO |
| 20:46.21 | tkep | dunno |
| 20:46.22 | tkep | sorry |
| 20:46.36 | Kero | FSO definitel does, since it's running on mine atm :) |
| 20:47.35 | Kero | and with decent results. esp I have not yet managed to get GSM to break, which I managed with FSO1 easily. |
| 20:47.42 | mmaestri | tkep: the repos: http://mibbit.com/pb/9YZUL0 |
| 20:48.03 | mmaestri | pastebin told me that i'm a spammer |
| 20:48.05 | Kero | so now I'm starting to wonder how GPRS works on FSO :) |
| 20:48.10 | Chox | you spammer |
| 20:48.24 | tkep | mmaestri, thank you much!!! |
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| 20:50.11 | tc | Does anyone know if it's possible to toggle the multitap-pad in 2007.2? |
| 20:50.41 | peter-b | anyone running tangogps on asu ? |
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| 20:51.00 | Chox | tries for GPS in FSO |
| 20:51.38 | Zorkman | peter-b: I am |
| 20:51.43 | Rigolo | tries to get some sleep .... |
| 20:51.49 | Chox | hm, nuttin' |
| 20:51.55 | mmaestri | tried gps and it didn't worked well... |
| 20:52.05 | peter-b | can you set up the maps / tracks dirs without them changing back ? |
| 20:52.16 | Rigolo | have fun today ... |
| 20:52.25 | Zorkman | peter-b: not at the moment because the keyboard is broken |
| 20:52.27 | peter-b | do you have a keybord on asu ? |
| 20:52.32 | peter-b | lol |
| 20:52.41 | peter-b | i just tried with ssh -X |
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| 20:52.55 | peter-b | but after a restert the changes are gone |
| 20:53.02 | mmaestri | keyboard in FSO works fien |
| 20:53.08 | mmaestri | *fine |
| 20:53.15 | peter-b | what else is working ? |
| 20:53.16 | lindi- | am i the only one who is confused about all these stacks? ;) |
| 20:53.17 | Chox | well, FSO looks pretty sexy. if not very functional still |
| 20:53.19 | mmaestri | even with gtk based apps |
| 20:53.23 | Chox | lindi-: yep, just you :o |
| 20:53.41 | lindi- | which stack is /buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080722-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2? |
| 20:53.42 | Kero | mmaestri: agreed, kdb works rather fine |
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| 20:53.50 | lindi- | qtopia? |
| 20:53.55 | Chox | 2007.2 |
| 20:53.56 | Zorkman | lindi-: 2007.2 |
| 20:54.04 | Chox | will have qtopia in the name if it is. |
| 20:54.05 | mmaestri | 2007.2 of course :p |
| 20:54.10 | lindi- | oh |
| 20:54.18 | peter-b | atm i need tangogps and a phonebook |
| 20:54.21 | tkep | mmaestri, thanks for this |
| 20:54.23 | tkep | :) |
| 20:54.28 | peter-b | can i do that with fs0 2 ? |
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| 20:54.42 | mmaestri | tkep: you're welcome |
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| 20:55.59 | flexd | hmmm, i just connected my FR to my windows machine, and it asks me for driver software "RNDIS/Ethernet Gadget" :/ |
| 20:56.20 | peter-b | flexd: found it somewhere today |
| 20:56.23 | flexd | I just wanted to charge it heh |
| 20:56.26 | lindi- | Chox: ok |
| 20:56.28 | peter-b | was working quite well |
| 20:56.35 | peter-b | i think it is in the wiki |
| 20:56.37 | flexd | peter-b: what does it do? |
| 20:56.41 | Chox | fledx: USB networking page. |
| 20:56.45 | Zorkman | flexd: http://users.informatik.uni-halle.de/~rabe/neo/Neo1973.inf |
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| 20:56.54 | Zorkman | flexd: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_and_Windows |
| 20:57.03 | sitwon | it will charge w/o the driver |
| 20:57.12 | sitwon | s/will/should |
| 20:57.14 | lindi- | with 2007.2 'opkg install matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod' prints 'An error ocurred, return value: 2.' -- any idea how to debug this? |
| 20:57.34 | Chox | charges you with drivers under the influence |
| 20:57.49 | kd8ikt | means not found if i remember correctly |
| 20:58.16 | spydon | lindi-, have you downloaded the ipk packages? |
| 20:58.56 | lindi- | spydon: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards#Matchbox_keyboard suggests that with 2007.2 i would not need to do that |
| 20:59.03 | lindi- | spydon: or am i reading it wrong? |
| 20:59.28 | spydon | lindi-, I have no idea, but try downloading the packages ans install it |
| 20:59.48 | spydon | I cant do opkg install matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod either... |
| 21:00.08 | lindi- | spydon: ok |
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| 21:00.33 | spydon | lindi-, I think thats just for the scaredycat release of openmoko 2007.2 |
| 21:00.40 | lindi- | spydon: 'opkg update' says 'Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.sig, error 404' |
| 21:00.57 | spydon | lindi-, thats a cosmetic error |
| 21:01.25 | lindi- | spydon: "ok" :) |
| 21:01.30 | ike | lindi: signatures are not used yet. |
| 21:02.38 | mmaestri | i'm getting a seg fault when upgrading |
| 21:03.02 | mmaestri | tries to download alsa-conf and then faults |
| 21:03.16 | flexd | sitwon: Doesnt seem to charge |
| 21:03.28 | Yashy | lindi-: http://assets.en.oreilly.com/1/event/12/Prophet,%20your%20path%20out%20of%20the%20cloud%20Presentation.pdf |
| 21:03.32 | flexd | infact, seems like the phone just suspended when i connected it and/or shutdown |
| 21:03.34 | spydon | Why am I getting "bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'" when doing this - losetup $loop <rootfs.jffs2> ? |
| 21:03.38 | flexd | it wont resume anyway |
| 21:04.01 | Chox | cos that's a bash redirect to nowhere. |
| 21:04.08 | peter-b | is suspend working with fs02 ? |
| 21:04.11 | abraxa_ | spydon: Remove the < and > |
| 21:04.20 | flexd | peter-b: I think so? |
| 21:04.20 | Chox | suspects it didn't mean to type it literally :p |
| 21:04.23 | spydon | abraxa_, thx ^^ |
| 21:04.40 | flexd | It's been going dark, and then resuming whenever i press the power button (and randomly whenever it recieves cell data :/) |
| 21:04.44 | Chox | anyway, why are you using losetup? that's old skool |
| 21:04.46 | flexd | for the better part of a day atleast |
| 21:04.50 | Chox | more BS wiki information? |
| 21:04.57 | flexd | but it might still be dodgy i guess, so it sometimes fails? |
| 21:06.12 | Chox | ah shit, my turn to burn something |
| 21:06.53 | Kero | how does fso2 suspend?? |
| 21:07.35 | Chox | just about set a compactlfash card alight |
| 21:07.51 | *** part/#openmoko Pyrasi (n=Pyrasi@254-135-155.csiweb.net) |
| 21:07.51 | peepsalot | when did milestone 2 come out? |
| 21:08.07 | abraxa_ | Chox: I didn't think you literally meant burning something... |
| 21:08.33 | Chox | question now is if my $300 dev board is toast or not |
| 21:08.45 | flexd | is it on fire? |
| 21:08.50 | Bubbi | anyone tried Mofi? (the application to access wireless APs) |
| 21:08.52 | Chox | not yet |
| 21:08.58 | abraxa_ | Chox: board with what on it? |
| 21:08.59 | flexd | then it might not be toast yet! :p |
| 21:09.05 | kd8ikt | peepsalot: like the 29-30th |
| 21:09.05 | flexd | brb, need food to survive. |
| 21:09.18 | Zorkman | Bubbi: i just tried, it gives an application error on the asu |
| 21:09.25 | Chox | the CF card is :o |
| 21:10.00 | Bubbi | Zorkman: I'm trying it on the 2007.02.. but it doesn't seem to respond to me clicking on the application.. |
| 21:10.20 | Zorkman | Bubbi: give them some feedback on their forum, it will be useful to them |
| 21:10.42 | kd8ikt | espeak -ven+f4 "i love you, rub my touchpad" |
| 21:10.49 | *** part/#openmoko hiigarabound (n=chatzill@s0-103.oldas01.pcldnc.ctc.net) |
| 21:11.00 | Bubbi | I've just restarted the neo. and now it seems to be able to start.. it's just veeeery slow |
| 21:11.03 | kd8ikt | ;) my moko is sexy |
| 21:11.10 | Chox | <- try to emulate Dave |
| 21:11.34 | Bubbi | Zorkman: HAH it works.. :P Well.. it shows some APs.. : |
| 21:11.36 | Bubbi | :P |
| 21:12.12 | *** join/#openmoko bricode (n=bricode@S0106000625f32814.du.shawcable.net) |
| 21:12.42 | *** join/#openmoko daMaestro (n=jon@fedora/damaestro) |
| 21:12.49 | *** join/#openmoko eth01 (i=eth01@gentoo/user/eth01) |
| 21:12.57 | Bubbi | Unfortunately, I don't have a wireless network at home, but one of my neighbours do, I see.. unfortunately it's WPA encrypted.. So i must wait for tomorrow to test it at work.. :) |
| 21:13.36 | abraxa_ | Chox: What's on your devel board? |
| 21:14.07 | eth01 | Bubbi: and aren't you the sweet little good one |
| 21:14.18 | Chox | it's just an AMD x86 thing with various networking |
| 21:14.22 | Zorkman | Bubbi: on the asu it keeps giving an application error, even after reboot, did you do something speical? |
| 21:14.31 | Kero | ok, suspend and calling fso seemed to work, but I did loose audio now. also refuses to suspend again. |
| 21:14.41 | Kero | finally I broke it :) |
| 21:14.41 | Chox | damn that loose audio! tie it down! |
| 21:14.55 | Bubbi | eth01: If I could hack into it, i'd do it, but I have noooo knowledge as to how to do it.. :) |
| 21:14.56 | Kero | now where to report bugs... |
| 21:15.39 | Bubbi | Zorkman: I didn't follow the installation guide on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mofi#Installation .. I just did a "opkg install http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/277/mofi_0.02_armv4t.ipk" |
| 21:16.22 | Bubbi | The installation guide shows to do a "scp mofi_0.02_armv4t.ipk root@192.168.0.202:/tmp/" Which I didn't know what did, so I just did the other thing |
| 21:17.19 | Kero | OK, also seems the SMS someone replied to me did not show in FSO. |
| 21:17.21 | Bubbi | Zorkman: heh, I wrote "test" as the password for my neighbours network. Mofi just went into an endless loop it seemed like.. |
| 21:17.45 | *** part/#openmoko ndrs_ (n=ndrs___@89.100.134.136) |
| 21:17.52 | Kero | yeah, arrived over an hour ago. |
| 21:18.33 | Chox | hm, board might be toast |
| 21:18.34 | Bubbi | Zorkman: But i'll see if I can find some time tomorrow to give some feedback to the developer on the project, through the project forum.. |
| 21:19.15 | Chox | haz another! |
| 21:19.59 | Chox | so, 24V != 5V |
| 21:21.58 | Chox | also gets segfault |
| 21:23.29 | tkep | so fso looks very damn promising |
| 21:23.33 | tkep | it keeps going to sleep on me |
| 21:23.38 | tkep | out of nowhere |
| 21:23.42 | tkep | but it looks good |
| 21:23.46 | tkep | and feels fast |
| 21:23.53 | Bubbi | tkep: It's a reminder that YOU have to go to sleep soon.. :D |
| 21:23.56 | tkep | more responsive than the om2007 |
| 21:24.01 | tkep | Bubbi, i should :) |
| 21:24.03 | Chox | zoom. |
| 21:24.06 | railer |  24V = 5V like Capacitor = Firecracker |
| 21:24.19 | tkep | Chox, not a fan? |
| 21:24.22 | tkep | lol |
| 21:24.30 | Kensan | mjr: Did you hear back from the guys of Cryptophone? |
| 21:24.47 | Chox | railer: yes, funny thing is, it was on the CF card which is burned - has a black spot on both sides. |
| 21:24.56 | Chox | that sits over the CPU, so that might be toast. |
| 21:25.17 | railer | why is that a "funny" thing? |
| 21:25.32 | Chox | just is. |
| 21:25.40 | mjr | Kensan, not so far |
| 21:25.40 | Chox | in a hurbristic way. |
| 21:25.50 | tkep | so does mofi work? |
| 21:26.06 | Kensan | mjr: ok, too bad. |
| 21:27.06 | railer | did it at least give that burnt CPU smell? |
| 21:27.21 | Chox | no, only the CF card |
| 21:27.32 | Chox | heatsinktastic |
| 21:28.24 | Yasumoto | sweet |
| 21:28.29 | Yasumoto | updated to fso milestone 2 |
| 21:28.38 | Yasumoto | thanks for all your help guys! :) |
| 21:29.25 | peepsalot | tkep, worked for me |
| 21:29.34 | tkep | trying it now in the FSO |
| 21:29.38 | tkep | dunno how well that will work |
| 21:29.46 | tkep | probably can't pull the keyboard |
| 21:29.46 | peepsalot | though i did it on 2007.2 |
| 21:30.01 | railer | fos milestone 2?any good? |
| 21:30.10 | Quai | df -h |
| 21:30.21 | Quai | wrong window ;P |
| 21:30.25 | tkep | railer, it's definitely on the right track |
| 21:30.38 | tkep | still just as buggy as all of them that i've tried |
| 21:30.38 | peter-b | i just flashed the kernel image i took with dd and it seems to work |
| 21:30.42 | Chox | pun not intended? |
| 21:30.47 | pantsd_ | whats the best way to build c++ apps for the openmoko? |
| 21:30.52 | Chox | railer, track, ho ho. |
| 21:31.01 | tkep | but it's on its way to being a good os |
| 21:31.08 | tkep | ha, no, unintended |
| 21:31.55 | railer | ok is it a flash would you mind pointing me to the bin/jffs2 files? |
| 21:33.48 | mmaestri | Chox: how can we get rid of the segfaults? |
| 21:34.34 | mmaestri | Chox: is it faulting when trying to download alsa-conf? or is it at random? |
| 21:35.39 | Chox | seems to be just alsa, configuring it. i.e. opkg install bash works |
| 21:35.58 | Chox | something borked in the alsa package. |
| 21:37.04 | peepsalot | where is the code repo for FSO? |
| 21:37.25 | peter-b | there is no one here with a working keyboard on the curretn asu ? |
| 21:37.42 | peepsalot | agh how is anyone supposed to find the source for any of this crap |
| 21:37.44 | mmaestri | Chox: but if you download it alone it works |
| 21:37.48 | Chox | FSO keyboard looks good ;-) |
| 21:38.08 | Bubbi | tkep: Here, on a 2007.02, it "works".. I had to reboot the neo (is there actually a nifty command to do that, instead of holding down that damn power button..?). when I activated Mofi, it was veeeery slow to start up, don't know if it's because it scans for wireless networks before it actually gets into the GUI.. but I can see a single network here, it says it uses WPA. I can't connect to it, as I have no access key to it |
| 21:38.18 | mmaestri | nope it doesn't :p |
| 21:38.22 | Chox | Bubbi: reboot |
| 21:38.40 | tkep | Bubbi, it works :) |
| 21:38.41 | Bubbi | tkep: But tomorrow, when I get to work, i'll try it on a network that I've got access to.. |
| 21:38.44 | Chox | mmaestri: :( |
| 21:38.47 | tkep | trying to get on red hat's wifi right now |
| 21:38.51 | tkep | damn long wep key |
| 21:39.08 | Chox | you were lucky. Almost forgot my daily RH rant. |
| 21:39.14 | Bubbi | Chox: Ehm.. you just type reboot in the terminal..? :D |
| 21:39.24 | mmaestri | Bubbi: yep |
| 21:39.26 | Bubbi | (and it works through SSH too..?) |
| 21:39.31 | Chox | yes, why not? |
| 21:39.33 | tkep | haha |
| 21:39.44 | tkep | the company that contributes the lion's share to the kernel |
| 21:39.46 | Chox | just log out quick, or your ssh will hang for a bit |
| 21:39.52 | tkep | i can go on my daily pro red hat rant too :) |
| 21:39.55 | Bubbi | I'm still learning Linux.. So I've got no clue to what can and cannot be done.. :) |
| 21:40.04 | Chox | ctrl-D, incidentally |
| 21:40.12 | mmaestri | how can we do a opkg upgrade without include alsa-conf-base? |
| 21:40.27 | Chox | mmaestri: I'm not an opkg master, but I'll find out :-) |
| 21:40.29 | tkep | mmaestri, are you having the same seg fault as me? |
| 21:40.43 | mmaestri | with alsa-conf-base |
| 21:40.57 | mmaestri | tkep: ^^^^^^^ |
| 21:41.19 | Chox | opkg flag alsa-conf-base=hold |
| 21:41.33 | Chox | hm, no. |
| 21:41.43 | richiefrich | is opkg like apt-get ? |
| 21:41.48 | tkep | similar |
| 21:41.58 | richiefrich | sorry i dont have my phone yet |
| 21:42.05 | richiefrich | i was wondering |
| 21:42.06 | richiefrich | :P |
| 21:42.14 | tkep | no worries |
| 21:42.17 | tkep | glad to see it's not out of stock anymore |
| 21:42.20 | Chox | opkg flag hold alsa-conf-base |
| 21:42.25 | Chox | richiefrich: a bit. |
| 21:42.27 | richiefrich | tkep: like ipkg ? |
| 21:42.38 | richiefrich | for my openwrt routr! |
| 21:42.42 | richiefrich | tkep: is it in stock |
| 21:42.47 | richiefrich | Wo0T |
| 21:42.49 | tkep | according to the topic |
| 21:42.57 | tkep | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 21:42.57 | Chox | mmaestri: oh dear, other stuff segfaults too |
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| 21:43.21 | mmaestri | Chox: damn it |
| 21:43.23 | richiefrich | tkep: if its in stock i dont see it http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner |
| 21:43.24 | Chox | aye |
| 21:44.02 | torindel | beh i'm still haveing problems connecting to my wifi, on fso-m2 wpa_supplicant output looks better but it still have problem connection to hidden ssid |
| 21:44.04 | richiefrich | Neo FreeRunner is currently SOLD OUT. |
| 21:44.21 | Chox | hm, wait. |
| 21:44.30 | Chox | might be the scardeycat stuff |
| 21:44.39 | Bubbi | richiefrich: as tkep said.. at some resellers, it's available |
| 21:44.54 | Bubbi | not on openmoko.com yet |
| 21:44.56 | torindel | it ends with something like this: 0: 00:1f:6d:b8:19:50 ssid='' wpa_ie_len=26 rsn_ie_len=0 caps=0x11 skip - SSID mismatch where that mac is correct ap mac |
| 21:45.00 | richiefrich | Bubbi: ahh |
| 21:45.20 | Chox | hm, guess not |
| 21:45.23 | Bubbi | I wonder how many freerunners have been sold as of yet.. Anybody know of some statistics..? :) |
| 21:45.25 | Chox | gives up for now. |
| 21:45.30 | mmaestri | Chox: i've already removed scaredycat repos |
| 21:45.36 | mmaestri | and it happens anyway |
| 21:45.44 | peepsalot | anyone know how the dialer dynamically resizes text to fit like that? i'm trying to write an app in python/gtk to do the same thing. i'm new to python and gtk |
| 21:46.00 | richiefrich | Bubbi: well i cant find it :| and if i knew 360 euros will be 360 USD then i would get it |
| 21:46.09 | richiefrich | but i know it isnt |
| 21:46.28 | Bubbi | richiefrich: heh, no it definitely isn't the same.. :D |
| 21:46.29 | Chox | some on ebay :p |
| 21:46.39 | bricode | richiefrich: Koolu.com has some in stock. |
| 21:46.51 | *** join/#openmoko phrozen77_ (n=phrozen7@unaffiliated/phrozen77) |
| 21:47.00 | richiefrich | bricode: i dont want a W.E. one |
| 21:47.12 | bricode | richiefrich: Currently it's the stock Openmoko. |
| 21:47.22 | richiefrich | bricode: i dont see that |
| 21:47.23 | kelvie | bricode: does it have the cap fix on it yet? :) |
| 21:47.46 | Chox | hm, a few neos being flogged on ebay |
| 21:47.49 | Chox | only $400! |
| 21:47.55 | kelvie | those pictures are just Enhanced by Adobe Photoshop Software(tm) |
| 21:47.56 | bricode | kelvie: at the moment, no, but the sw fix seems to be working. |
| 21:48.05 | bricode | richiefrich: shop.koolu.com |
| 21:48.08 | kelvie | mm.. there's mixed reports ont he mailing lists |
| 21:48.11 | richiefrich | bricode: show me where it says it isnt a W.E> |
| 21:48.32 | richiefrich | ah |
| 21:48.42 | bricode | richiefrich: Trust me, I work for Koolu. Currently it's a stock FR. |
| 21:48.44 | Bubbi | Well. I'm off to bed now.. Happy Hacking everybody :) |
| 21:48.55 | richiefrich | bricode: oh ok |
| 21:49.45 | richiefrich | bricode: ty i see both |
| 21:49.47 | bricode | richiefrich: We continue to work on branding. The WE Phone will have Android once it's available to avoid confusion with the Freerunner. |
| 21:49.53 | richiefrich | This version of the phone will take 6-8 weeks to ship. |
| 21:49.53 | richiefrich | ? |
| 21:50.09 | richiefrich | bricode: i cant over night it |
| 21:50.14 | spydon | how long time does it take to unpack the qtopia rootfs on the freerunner? :P |
| 21:50.27 | bricode | richiefrich: 850's in stock, 900's in transit. |
| 21:50.53 | Chox | pfft, no Android. no pasny no OSS software for me :p |
| 21:50.53 | richiefrich | bricode: i live in usa so i need 1900 they both do that |
| 21:51.03 | richiefrich | bricode: so it doesnt matter to me :P |
| 21:51.12 | torindel | spydon: maybe 3 minutes? ;p |
| 21:51.17 | Chox | http://cgi.ebay.com/Open-Moko-Neo-Freerunner-Linux-Phone_W0QQitemZ180270894847QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3312QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 21:51.24 | Chox | Freerunner in US |
| 21:51.26 | kelvie | richiefrich: you'll get much better reception if your carrier supports 850 and you get the 850 version |
| 21:51.34 | spydon | torindel, hehe now its ready :P |
| 21:51.42 | richiefrich | kelvie: my carrier does 1900 |
| 21:51.47 | kelvie | only? |
| 21:51.51 | richiefrich | kelvie: yeah |
| 21:51.57 | kelvie | ouch |
| 21:51.59 | AntonTakk | bricode: i thought i read somewhere that android couldn't run on the fr's soc? |
| 21:52.00 | richiefrich | USA - tmobile - 1900 |
| 21:52.14 | Chox | AntonTakk: not yet. I'm sure it will in time. still smells. |
| 21:52.22 | mmaestri | bricode: android cannot run on armv4t |
| 21:52.32 | bricode | AntonTakk: Not currently. The only release Android binaries are compiled for Armv5TE. |
| 21:52.35 | AntonTakk | yeah ^^ that |
| 21:52.35 | Chox | well, existing binaries cannot. |
| 21:52.44 | AntonTakk | ah |
| 21:53.01 | mmaestri | Chox: right |
| 21:53.03 | bricode | mmaestri: True, but a recompile will fix that. |
| 21:53.18 | richiefrich | bricode: http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml T-mobile |
| 21:53.18 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 21:53.19 | Chox | get the source. Oh wiat, it |
| 21:53.22 | richiefrich | bricode: GSM 1900 |
| 21:53.23 | mmaestri | bricode: if you have all the stack sources |
| 21:53.23 | Chox | oh wait, it's not OSS ;-) |
| 21:53.25 | AntonTakk | good luck getting the source :) |
| 21:53.47 | richiefrich | bricode: all USA GSM is 1900 |
| 21:54.03 | richiefrich | or 850 |
| 21:54.12 | bricode | richiefrich: If you get the 850, you can also do roaming on AT&T. |
| 21:54.28 | richiefrich | eww AT&T |
| 21:54.30 | bricode | richiefrich: True, but you can get better reception in places with the 850 frequency. |
| 21:54.30 | richiefrich | lol |
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| 21:55.08 | bricode | mmaestri: That's true. |
| 21:55.16 | Chox | Go go gadget OSS phone! |
| 21:55.45 | bricode | Chox: Is the Apache webserver oss? How about FreeBSD? |
| 21:56.02 | Chox | are you trying to troll me with an OSS debate? |
| 21:56.17 | bricode | Chox: Just seeing if you're awake ;) |
| 21:56.22 | Chox | very good. |
| 21:56.23 | richiefrich | bricode: if your shipping none W.E. phones i dont see why they say W.E. on the checkout |
| 21:56.43 | Chox | Yes, Apache is OSS, by my er, Debianifition. |
| 21:56.54 | Chox | richiefrich: you're :p |
| 21:57.06 | bricode | richiefrich: True. Point taken. |
| 21:57.13 | richiefrich | bricode: should be changed |
| 21:57.14 | richiefrich | :P |
| 21:57.20 | richiefrich | ppl like me wont buy it |
| 21:57.32 | AntonTakk | imho - open source - i can get source and muck with it :) |
| 21:57.34 | richiefrich | unless your in canada |
| 21:57.41 | Chox | richiefrich: you're! |
| 21:57.51 | Chox | grumbles. |
| 21:58.06 | richiefrich | Chox: i said it once |
| 21:58.06 | kelvie | at least you guys get to choose in the States |
| 21:58.15 | kelvie | we have *one* gsm carrier up here in canuckistan |
| 21:58.22 | richiefrich | Chox: and you said it twice ! |
| 21:59.11 | richiefrich | kelvie: true |
| 21:59.25 | richiefrich | kelvie: but still it is advertised wrong |
| 21:59.41 | kelvie | richiefrich: what is? |
| 21:59.47 | peepsalot | what's the carrier called in canadia |
| 21:59.53 | Chox | Rogers! |
| 21:59.56 | mmontour | kelvie: not quite - Fido is still operated as a somewhat-independent business (different plans, different phones, etc.), even though it's now owned by Rogers |
| 21:59.57 | Dave | Is there a windows driver for the freerunner so you can use usb ethernet? |
| 22:00.05 | peepsalot | ah, right. heard of them before |
| 22:00.08 | Chox | Dave: oh dear me. see the wiki. |
| 22:00.14 | richiefrich | kelvie: bricode said that the store is selling none W.E. phones but it says http://shop.koolu.com/ |
| 22:00.25 | richiefrich | kelvie: W.E. on all of the models |
| 22:00.26 | kelvie | richiefrich: oh... did it sound like I was arguing that? |
| 22:00.32 | richiefrich | no |
| 22:00.35 | AntonTakk | Dave: yes, but i'm not sure where to get it - some kind of rndis sriver |
| 22:00.51 | Chox | grumbles |
| 22:00.54 | mmontour | there is also www.icewireless.ca, but they have a limited coverage area |
| 22:00.55 | AntonTakk | Dave: if you let it connect to the net it may be able to grab it |
| 22:01.04 | Chox | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Windows |
| 22:01.09 | kelvie | mmontour: didn't know about that.. I do know I don't count Fido, though :) |
| 22:01.20 | kelvie | unless you're one of those lucky people that have an old Fido plan |
| 22:01.57 | Dave | hrm |
| 22:02.17 | Dave | anton, maybe? |
| 22:02.17 | tkep | home time |
| 22:02.17 | tkep | see you guys later |
| 22:02.17 | Dave | DOesn't windows usually fail at that? |
| 22:02.18 | tkep | eternal sonata and beer and wife to get to |
| 22:02.21 | tkep | should be a good night |
| 22:02.28 | Zorkman | Dave it works for me |
| 22:02.44 | Zorkman | (expt when i reboot the freerunner when still plugged in) |
| 22:02.52 | lindi- | hmm, after four hours of playing with freerunner i'm quite impressed :) |
| 22:03.14 | Chox | lindi-: just wait for 4 days, then see what you think :o |
| 22:03.40 | lindi- | Chox: only things that probably need improving is the on-screen keyboard and probably power management features |
| 22:03.48 | mmaestri | agree with Chox |
| 22:04.04 | lindi- | Chox: could fullscreen transparent overlayed qwerty keyboard be usable? |
| 22:04.11 | Chox | perhaps. |
| 22:04.13 | lindi- | in landscape |
| 22:04.25 | Chox | wait for glamo driver improvements |
| 22:04.35 | lindi- | Chox: how does it help with that? |
| 22:04.50 | Chox | alpha transparency, etc. I'm not the exact person to ask. |
| 22:04.50 | lindi- | i thought glamo was the graphics chip? |
| 22:04.54 | lindi- | ah |
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| 22:05.22 | lindi- | Chox: of course the third issue is that i don't know what stack i should use :) |
| 22:05.40 | lindi- | Chox: if i use 2007.2 and report bugs will those bugs get fixed or is the development now somewhere else? |
| 22:05.44 | spydon | I didn't have a boot folder on the first partition of the microSd when I were going to transfer the kernel for qtopia, shall I create that folder or have I missed some instructions? |
| 22:05.58 | Chox | don't know. |
| 22:06.14 | Chox | much development is not in FSO |
| 22:06.17 | Chox | now in |
| 22:06.39 | Chox | spydon: I think the wiki is still not clear. With recent u-boot, you don't need extra partition. |
| 22:07.20 | spydon | right, but It told me to do two partitions and remove all boot files from the second :P |
| 22:07.27 | Chox | it's wrong :o |
| 22:07.47 | Chox | well, not wrong, but that way is more awkward |
| 22:07.52 | Chox | and not required. |
| 22:08.02 | spydon | but it doesn't work anyways :P |
| 22:08.06 | mmontour | spydon: just make sure that the actual path to the kernel image is the same as what is specified in the u-boot "fatload" or "ext2load" command. |
| 22:08.08 | Dave | hrm |
| 22:08.13 | Chox | it will, but you'd have to massage uboot params |
| 22:08.29 | Chox | which you probably have to do in any case |
| 22:08.31 | Dave | Zorkman, so you're saying that just by using windows' automatic Search the Internet driver thingy it worked? :o |
| 22:08.34 | lindi- | Chox: ok |
| 22:08.46 | Dave | and with it installed you are able to use internet on the phone? |
| 22:08.56 | spydon | mmontour, how do I check and change that? |
| 22:08.58 | Chox | Dave: Debian install CD :p |
| 22:09.07 | Dave | Chox, dude, it's not for me :P |
| 22:09.15 | Dave | yeah, I know :P |
| 22:09.17 | Chox | ok, fine. Ubuntu. |
| 22:09.24 | Dave | haha fuck that, deb all the way, baby! |
| 22:09.30 | Zorkman | no, with the driver from the wiki |
| 22:09.35 | Dave | I'll have no woman distros on my systems, thank you very much :) |
| 22:09.40 | Dave | Zorkman, AH! |
| 22:09.41 | Dave | Okay :) |
| 22:09.43 | Chox | what's Windows then :o |
| 22:09.45 | Dave | :P |
| 22:09.49 | Chox | you said it was for someone else. |
| 22:10.25 | Chox | Debian = man, Ubuntu = Woman, Mac OS X = gay, Windows = ?, |
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| 22:11.15 | mmontour | spydon: Look at the "how it works" section of the "Booting from SD" page, and also the "Bootloader" and "Bootloader_environment" wiki pages. The necessary information is on the wiki, although it's mixed in with a lot of cruft. |
| 22:11.28 | Chox | will rewrite one day |
| 22:11.33 | spydon | mmontour, thx |
| 22:11.42 | lindi- | debian = woman + man of course (Deb and Ian) |
| 22:11.48 | Chox | although there's been some improvements. |
| 22:12.12 | Chox | actually, Debian is really Ian + Ian |
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| 22:16.07 | feydreva | hello |
| 22:16.21 | Zorkman | llo |
| 22:18.58 | feydreva | i have a small question : I would like to install the ASU software, there is a daily version on the 20080722. there is the rootfs.jffs2 so that s for the rootfs... but for the kernel, what do I use ? the image one ? even if it s a jffs2 file ? (on the 2007 version, the lernel one is a bin file..) |
| 22:20.28 | Zorkman | feydreva: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080730/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 22:21.00 | feydreva | hum ok, I thought the uImage had to match the rootfs.... |
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| 22:21.30 | feydreva | so I can use the kernel from today ? and the rootfs ASU from last week ? |
| 22:21.37 | Zorkman | jup |
| 22:21.42 | feydreva | ok cool :) |
| 22:21.46 | Dave | woo |
| 22:22.50 | peter-b | jippie |
| 22:23.01 | peter-b | got the keys back on my asu |
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| 22:23.58 | feydreva | does the ringtones works on the ASU ? it s disturbing to have a phone that doesn't ring when someone calls you... |
| 22:24.52 | peter-b | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.58 | feydreva | ok :) |
| 22:25.24 | bricode | peter-b: does it have the same sound as if you had your phone next to a speaker? |
| 22:25.35 | spydon | how should my ext2load command look if I have the uImage in the first partition in /media/card ? |
| 22:25.36 | AntonTakk | O.o ? |
| 22:25.37 | feydreva | I have the 2007softwareon mine now,and it doesn;t ring |
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| 22:27.47 | spydon | what is wrong with "ext2load mmc 1:1 0x32000000 /media/card/boot" ? |
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| 22:29.46 | mmontour | spydon: the path is relative to the root of the filesystem on the SD card (i.e. you probably don't have a "/media/card" directory on the card itself) |
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| 22:30.06 | spydon | mmaestri, so like /dev/mmc something ? |
| 22:30.14 | spydon | mmontour* |
| 22:30.26 | peter-b | bricode: dont rember the sound atm :-( |
| 22:30.40 | peter-b | but it made some kind of noise :-) |
| 22:30.45 | mmaestri | Chox: it seems that opkg is segfaulting only on upgradable packages |
| 22:31.09 | mmaestri | root@om-gta02:~# opkg list_installed | awk -F' ' '{ print $1 }' > /home/root/test root@om-gta02:~# opkg install $( cat /home/root/test ) |
| 22:31.13 | mmontour | If you copied the kernel to "/media/card/boot/uImage.bin" when you had the SD cad mounted at /media/card, then you would use "/boot/uImage.bin" as the path in the u-boot variable |
| 22:31.22 | mmontour | s/cad/card |
| 22:33.16 | spydon | mmontour, aaah ofcourse, thx, but I still get bad partition... |
| 22:33.18 | mmaestri | Chox: if you remove alsa-base-conf, it screams with busybox; if you remove it, then it screams with gdk-pixbuf-loader-gif |
| 22:34.20 | AntonTakk | peter-b: it's a rather harsh imitation of an old analog telephone ringing |
| 22:35.58 | mmontour | spydon: sorry, I don't currently have time to help with troubleshooting |
| 22:36.14 | spydon | mmontour, okay, thx for your help anyways :) |
| 22:37.54 | feydreva | what is the difference between : Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080722-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 and openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 ??? |
| 22:37.56 | peter-b | AntonTakk: yeah, something like that |
| 22:40.22 | Chox | mmeas: aye. it's borked. |
| 22:40.50 | Chox | need to find underlying breakage. perhaps in opkg itself |
| 22:41.32 | torindel | feydreva: probably none if its from same daily dir |
| 22:41.41 | feydreva | ok |
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| 22:42.43 | AntonTakk | feydreva: i'm guessing the latter is a simlink to the former |
| 22:43.30 | feydreva | ok... so no need to download both :) I m flashing one of them... we will see :) |
| 22:44.31 | Chox | even opkg -test upgrade crashes |
| 22:46.29 | mmaestri | Chox: yep. |
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| 22:47.22 | mmaestri | Chox: opkg install opkg says that it's up to date |
| 22:47.31 | Chox | aye |
| 22:47.45 | Chox | downgrade :p |
| 22:47.58 | mmaestri | which version...? |
| 22:48.45 | Chox | anything :p |
| 22:48.51 | Chox | one from 2007.2, perhaps |
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| 22:53.56 | mmaestri | Chox: have you already chosen one? |
| 22:54.00 | Chox | nope |
| 22:54.02 | Chox | is working :p |
| 22:54.23 | mmaestri | cannot find it. |
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| 22:56.27 | spydon | lol recalibrat wasnt too stable on qtopia :P, does any one know how I reset it so I can use the screen again? |
| 22:56.51 | spydon | s/recalibrat/recalibrate |
| 22:57.29 | leinir | ssh into it and call... |
| 22:58.04 | leinir | [2008-07-31 09:21:09] <lpotter> source /opt/Qtopia/qpe.env |
| 22:58.05 | leinir | [2008-07-31 09:21:26] <lpotter> qcop 'QPE/Application/calibrate' 'raise()' |
| 22:58.05 | leinir | [2008-07-31 09:21:33] <lpotter> recalibrate it |
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| 22:58.17 | leinir | Let's attribute it to the right person ;) |
| 22:58.32 | Chox | lei! |
| 22:58.46 | leinir | curtsies "Chox" :) |
| 22:58.55 | Chox | leinir: why is my FSO opkg bust? |
| 22:59.01 | leinir | NO idea :) |
| 22:59.04 | leinir | Don't use it ;) |
| 22:59.05 | Chox | aw. |
| 22:59.12 | Chox | qtopia whore. |
| 22:59.21 | lindi- | neod seems to constantly read event3 (accelometer) -- any idea how to stop this to save power? |
| 23:01.11 | mmaestri | we're f*cked |
| 23:01.19 | Chox | end of the world. |
| 23:01.24 | mmaestri | yep |
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| 23:02.25 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1a97e68a8bfc 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): refactor controller. create subsystem object. Warning: Further refactoring ahead. Might be unstable for a couple of days. |
| 23:02.50 | donomo | mickey: thats what branches are for |
| 23:03.03 | mickey|tv | lindi: remind me again and I'll patch it out on weekend |
| 23:03.33 | donomo | oh you're actually in the channel. now im embarassed. i thought you'd never read my snarky comment. |
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| 23:03.36 | mickey|tv | hahaha |
| 23:03.40 | Chox | laffs. |
| 23:03.40 | mickey|tv | don't worry |
| 23:03.42 | mickey|tv | in theory you're right |
| 23:03.49 | mickey|tv | in practice i have tagged the stable version |
| 23:03.51 | Chox | mickey|tv: what's wrong with my opkg then? |
| 23:04.00 | Chox | abuses mickey |
| 23:04.01 | donomo | mickey|tv: ok cool ): |
| 23:04.01 | mmaestri | mickey...help... |
| 23:04.04 | donomo | :) |
| 23:04.20 | mickey|tv | no idea about opkg, sorry. ask on the opkg-devel mailing list, the expoerts are there |
| 23:04.21 | lindi- | mickey|tv: just curious, how are you planning to fix it? |
| 23:04.42 | mickey|tv | lindi-: i will make it detect gta02 and not open the accels there |
| 23:04.45 | Chox | muh. |
| 23:05.06 | lindi- | mickey|tv: ah, accels are somehow problematic there? |
| 23:05.23 | mickey|tv | yes |
| 23:05.28 | mickey|tv | too much traffic |
| 23:05.33 | mickey|tv | very powerhungry |
| 23:05.38 | lindi- | so it seems |
| 23:05.39 | tdobson | hi guys. do you think I have the SIM card issue? I get "Dialer Error: No Network" whenever I try to use the dialer.. |
| 23:06.29 | tdobson | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards # no one here (except me!) has reported this error msg. |
| 23:07.05 | cjb | you should try libgsmd-util to find out |
| 23:07.38 | AntonTakk | mickey|tv: quick question - fso ms2 seems to ocationally take ages to register with the cell network, any advice where I should begin to trouble shoot? |
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| 23:08.18 | tdobson | punches usb networking |
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| 23:09.01 | Chox | puches it too |
| 23:09.03 | Chox | punches |
| 23:09.12 | Chox | will answer for USB networking abuse |
| 23:09.24 | Flinx | heh.. |
| 23:09.54 | spydon | tdobson, I have a 3g sim card and it works fine... |
| 23:10.13 | mmaestri | is cursing about opkg, and all that sh*t |
| 23:10.21 | mickey|tv | AntonTakk: i will release a new frameworkd in the next couple of days where we can switch debug output to a file @ runtime. then you can give me lowlevel logs |
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| 23:10.43 | AntonTakk | mickey|tv: cool, thanks :) |
| 23:10.47 | mmaestri | mickey|tv: which repos should we add to FSO? |
| 23:10.59 | mmaestri | i mean, as "official repos" |
| 23:11.39 | mickey|tv | well, in theory you can add the daily build. but if you just want fso upgrades, i'm going to provide a feed configuration as well that points to the location where i will publish the updates |
| 23:11.53 | mickey|tv | it's not going to be daily builds or so, just some updated packages in between milestones |
| 23:11.57 | mickey|tv | ok, bed time |
| 23:11.58 | mickey|tv | cu guys |
| 23:12.02 | AntonTakk | layer |
| 23:12.20 | AntonTakk | goin home, see you guys |
| 23:12.29 | Chox | mickey|zzZZzz: please do |
| 23:14.08 | tdobson | spydon: I don't think mine is 3g... |
| 23:14.59 | Flinx | Are there any known plans for making a 3G enabled version of the Freerunner? |
| 23:15.02 | tdobson | my prvious phone wasn't 3g and I don't remember a big hooha about it.. I assume it's not 3g but I don't know |
| 23:15.27 | lindi- | Flinx: just buy separate 3g dongle :) |
| 23:15.52 | Flinx | lindi-: You can do that >.> |
| 23:15.52 | mjr | Flinx, unless you mean "yeah probably maybe at some point" plans, no |
| 23:16.16 | lindi- | Flinx: only drawback is that you have to move SIM around and it takes bit more space |
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| 23:17.25 | CaptObviousman | someone talk me into buying a FreeRunner |
| 23:17.35 | SpeedEvil | Don't. |
| 23:17.39 | SpeedEvil | It's not ready yet. |
| 23:17.40 | CaptObviousman | or, better yet, someone who's tried to set up QEMU tell me how hard it is |
| 23:17.42 | tdobson | hmm. that's strange. "libgsmd-tool -m atcmd " seems to give no result at all.... just angs... |
| 23:17.44 | mjr | I'd say that if you need convincing, yeah, see SpeedEvil |
| 23:17.46 | CaptObviousman | that's why I want to buy it |
| 23:17.51 | CaptObviousman | wants to code on it |
| 23:17.54 | tdobson | CaptObviousman: get one |
| 23:18.03 | tdobson | I got mine today |
| 23:18.07 | donomo | CaptObviousman: you too can have a phone that doesnt make calls or runs for longer than 8 hours on a charge |
| 23:18.21 | CaptObviousman | look, I've already got a cell phone for full time use. This would be to tinker |
| 23:18.21 | tdobson | so I have a wealth of knowledge and experience to talk you into it |
| 23:18.33 | mjr | CaptObviousman, ok, then buy it |
| 23:18.40 | tdobson | but development is happening reallyt fast and it's a great community that is really inclusive |
| 23:19.01 | CaptObviousman | how many of you are actual developers and not enthusiasts? |
| 23:19.08 | donomo | since its now a python-powered phone, software development seems to be much improved |
| 23:19.39 | CaptObviousman | damn, I don't know python, but I've been looking for a reason to learn |
| 23:19.46 | abraxa_ | CaptObviousman: The devs don't talk so much but they're definitely around and reachable |
| 23:20.00 | Flinx | hehe |
| 23:20.10 | CaptObviousman | I don't suppose there's a devel roadmap floating around the wiki |
| 23:20.18 | Flinx | Has anyone bought one of the We Phones from Koolu? |
| 23:20.19 | Chox | is a developer, and part time trouble maker. |
| 23:20.29 | Chox | no FR dev yet though. |
| 23:20.47 | stevenS1 | Flinx: I did |
| 23:20.56 | Flinx | How do you like it? |
| 23:21.03 | CaptObviousman | FR means what? |
| 23:21.07 | Flinx | Cause they apparently have some in Stock |
| 23:21.09 | donomo | FreeRunner |
| 23:21.10 | Chox | FreeeeRunnnnnerrrr |
| 23:21.24 | Flinx | and I'm not sure I can wait for the OpenMoko Store to have FR's availible :p |
| 23:21.26 | abraxa_ | CaptObviousman: There's no definite roadmap as there are 5 distributions available already - the most "official" one would be the FSO timeline |
| 23:21.27 | Chox | isn't that obvious ? ;p |
| 23:21.36 | stevenS1 | Flinx: It's the same freerunner you get from the webstore, same software, hardware box etc. Koolu is just a distributor (at the moment at least) |
| 23:21.42 | CaptObviousman | oh, duh |
| 23:21.44 | Flinx | Her... |
| 23:21.44 | CaptObviousman | facepalms |
| 23:21.55 | donomo | golfclaps |
| 23:21.55 | Chox | FSO at least has a road map and cohernecy, if least complete right now |
| 23:22.01 | Chox | footkicks |
| 23:22.01 | Flinx | Koolus site says that it comes with Google Aps on it >.> |
| 23:22.27 | Flinx | mind you I knew that it was the same hardware... but they gave the impression that there were other colours too. |
| 23:22.29 | stevenS1 | Flinx: You want to read the fine print on the site |
| 23:22.34 | CaptObviousman | harumm. What are the alternatives to FSO? |
| 23:22.51 | Chox | ASU, GTK, Debian |
| 23:22.57 | tdobson | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
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| 23:23.04 | CaptObviousman | loves tdobson |
| 23:23.05 | biovore | or build it your self (BIYS) |
| 23:23.23 | tdobson | loves the wiki |
| 23:23.24 | Chox | or ARMedSlack |
| 23:23.24 | CaptObviousman | I could be the coolest kid on the block and get slackware running on it |
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| 23:23.33 | tdobson | or gentoo |
| 23:23.35 | stevenS1 | flinx: I found their site a bit deceiving but I figured ordering from them was better than giving money to UPS |
| 23:23.37 | Chox | CaptObviousman: snap. And probably not hard. |
| 23:23.39 | Flinx | Meh... |
| 23:23.46 | Flinx | and yeah |
| 23:23.53 | Flinx | I was going to re-flash it anyways ;) |
| 23:24.07 | CaptObviousman | well after I got done it wouldn't be very similiar to slackware |
| 23:24.10 | tdobson | doesn't run gentoo but knows there has been remarkable work with handheld dev work & gentoo... for reasons he stilld oesn not understand |
| 23:24.11 | Chox | you want to find MoZes on IRC, and tell him. And say I sent you :p |
| 23:24.13 | CaptObviousman | busybox, ulibc |
| 23:24.18 | Flinx | just cause i saw a bunch of skathing reviews about the keyboard. |
| 23:24.26 | Chox | MoZes is the ARM Slackware guy |
| 23:24.34 | Flinx | and I figured that by the time I got one, the software would be improved. |
| 23:24.37 | CaptObviousman | before I get started though, I gotta talk to this stephen fellow that lives near me and see what it looks like |
| 23:24.44 | CaptObviousman | the website has pictures of _a_ GUI doing something |
| 23:24.49 | donomo | Flinx: yeah thats like walking up to the first electric car and complaining about the steeringwheel |
| 23:24.49 | CaptObviousman | what distro is that? |
| 23:24.54 | CaptObviousman | or are those just mockups? |
| 23:25.07 | Flinx | *chuckles* |
| 23:25.23 | Chox | walks up to Sion and complains about the lack of a daskboard |
| 23:25.24 | Flinx | Yeah reading blogs has been interesting. |
| 23:25.37 | Flinx | lots of people see only a few demo videos and make an opinion. |
| 23:25.47 | tdobson | CaptObviousman: the default[factory installed]. openmoko 2007 ( I think) |
| 23:26.38 | Flinx | *puts in his order* |
| 23:27.12 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r74baa950414f 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: |
| 23:27.12 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Correct UBX packet definition and improve parsing code |
| 23:27.12 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: Use repr() when logging raw data (emdete) |
| 23:27.13 | CaptObviousman | I think starting yet another distro would probably cause that guy from the other day to explode |
| 23:28.23 | abraxa_ | CaptObviousman: There's FSO, 2007.2, ASU, Qtopia and underground if you want neo-specific stuff. Of course general-purpose ones like Debian work also but no real point. |
| 23:28.47 | Flinx | is the Info about FSO on the wiki? |
| 23:29.01 | abraxa_ | What "info" in particular? |
| 23:29.47 | Flinx | dare I ask for a comparison between the distros? |
| 23:29.50 | CaptObviousman | does a lot of reading |
| 23:30.07 | CaptObviousman | the page tdobson linked earlier has the details out side by side for easy comparison |
| 23:30.27 | pjz | abraxa_: you forgot about SHR unless that's what you're calling underground |
| 23:30.27 | tdobson | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 23:30.34 | tdobson | pastes again |
| 23:30.44 | abraxa_ | pjz: Indeed I forgot. And I forgot that underground got renamed to pyneo, too. |
| 23:31.20 | pjz | abraxa_: pyneo/underground isn't on that page, is it? |
| 23:31.27 | Flinx | @.@ |
| 23:31.30 | Flinx | how did I miss that page... |
| 23:31.49 | pjz | abraxa_: you should add it; a single place that points to all the distros is useful |
| 23:32.19 | abraxa_ | pjz: I will when the new release is out. No point having people ask for stuff that is no longer up-to-date :) |
| 23:32.36 | pjz | abraxa_: bah, release early, release often |
| 23:32.59 | abraxa_ | There are reasons as to why that doesn't work sometimes, I'm afraid |
| 23:33.05 | pjz | nah |
| 23:33.17 | pjz | actaully, the reverse |
| 23:33.23 | pjz | it always fails, which is why it always works |
| 23:33.59 | CaptObviousman | people expect failure, so they're pleasantly surprised when it works |
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| 23:34.20 | pjz | exactly |
| 23:34.37 | pjz | plus the expect failure, so it's impossible to fail, ergo you must always succeed |
| 23:34.45 | CaptObviousman | I did the same thing with my parents, worked like a charm |
| 23:34.55 | Flinx | lol |
| 23:35.05 | Flinx | I tried that, and didn't succeed ;) |
| 23:35.52 | pjz | oh, people will always complain |
| 23:36.57 | pjz | but they can't complain you didn't give them the chance to contribute |
| 23:37.11 | Flinx | I plan on contributing ;) |
| 23:37.29 | Flinx | I just need to complain that I don't have my FR yet ;) |
| 23:38.01 | CaptObviousman | supposedly you can set up a fake FR |
| 23:38.03 | CaptObviousman | with QEMU |
| 23:38.11 | CaptObviousman | gets to try that this weekend |
| 23:38.24 | Chox | I was going too, but as usual, the wiki instructions are full of moose |
| 23:38.39 | Chox | it's overwhelming, even for a very experienced dev like myself |
| 23:38.40 | Flinx | heh |
| 23:38.43 | CaptObviousman | people are too busy getting shit done to write everything down in the wiki |
| 23:38.54 | Flinx | CaptObviousman: you and I can try it together!!! |
| 23:38.56 | Chox | CaptObviousman: actually, it's the opposite |
| 23:39.02 | Chox | the wiki is _full_ of shit! |
| 23:39.03 | Flinx | but I AFK now |
| 23:39.16 | Chox | all the info is there, and some of it's actually good, but it's hopeless. |
| 23:39.26 | Chox | anyway. |
| 23:39.44 | abraxa_ | CaptObviousman: Personally, I think the qemu approach is pointless. It's too slow and cumbersome to actually get anything done. |
| 23:40.11 | CaptObviousman | Iunno about that. It would be useful for developing userland applications |
| 23:40.17 | CaptObviousman | which is what I'm thinking I'll do with it |
| 23:40.48 | abraxa_ | If you start qemu you'll see what I mean |
| 23:41.10 | Chox | a QEMU chroot should be pretty speedy, and sufficient for most things |
| 23:41.21 | Chox | then you don't have to emulate the whole machine |
| 23:41.32 | abraxa_ | What's a qemu chroot? |
| 23:42.10 | Chox | well, in short, unpack your 2007.2 tgz on your x86 boot, and chroot into it :o there's some magic you use to tell qemu to run the armel binaries. |
| 23:43.03 | abraxa_ | I still don't see the point because it's so slow but okay, if it works for some then all the better |
| 23:43.17 | Chox | it can be pretty speedy |
| 23:43.26 | Chox | certainly as fast as a real machine |
| 23:43.37 | abraxa_ | On what CPU? |
| 23:43.43 | Chox | depends how fast your x86 is of course. |
| 23:43.53 | Chox | I don't have any guidelines, it's been some time since I did it. |
| 23:44.09 | abraxa_ | Hm ok |
| 23:44.37 | Chox | but for example scratchbox is a wrapper around this kind of thing. |
| 23:45.15 | Chox | can wiki this, if it's not clear on the qemu page. |
| 23:47.42 | CaptObviousman | Chox: if you did so I would be very grateful |
| 23:47.50 | CaptObviousman | this Sunday I'ma go at it |
| 23:48.06 | Chox | if I did, it wouldn't be for a week or two. |
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| 23:52.36 | CaptObviousman | well, that's fine. I'm still going to play, but I don't expect I'll get it running in a single day |
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