| 00:00.33 | Zorkman | does aircrack work on the freerunner? thought the wifi couldn't handle a required mode... |
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| 00:03.26 | Yashy | another opensource phone? :) |
| 00:03.42 | Marcel_M | Zorkman: you can use it with an usb-wlan stick |
| 00:03.59 | Yashy | Zorkman: it requires monitor mode, I haven't tried it yet, I'll let you know if the NIC supports it |
| 00:04.09 | Yashy | ahh I guess it doesn't |
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| 00:05.10 | Marcel_M | Yashy: not now :( |
| 00:05.25 | Yashy | InterfaceChipsetDriver |
| 00:05.25 | Yashy | eth0UNKNOWNsdio_wlan (monitor mode enabled) |
| 00:06.20 | Yashy | :( |
| 00:06.24 | Zorkman | ? so it does work? |
| 00:07.57 | Yashy | well it says it does, but according to Marcel, apparently not yet |
| 00:08.27 | Zorkman | is there any chance it will work (withough usb-wlan stick) ? |
| 00:09.03 | Marcel_M | Yashy: thats what i read maybe it changed (but i think if its supportet we ahould have read it in the ml) |
| 00:09.12 | Marcel_M | it would be great if so |
| 00:09.38 | Marcel_M | Yashy: can youz please try it out |
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| 00:11.38 | Yashy | tcpdump -i eth0 |
| 00:11.47 | Yashy | Didn't give any errors either, which should require monitor mode |
| 00:12.22 | Marcel_M | hmm |
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| 00:15.50 | Yashy | umm yes, I can packet sniff :) |
| 00:17.12 | Zorkman | is this the moment we say: YES!? |
| 00:18.00 | Yashy | 1348 packets received by filter |
| 00:18.01 | Yashy | 0 packets dropped by kernel |
| 00:18.03 | Marcel_M | Yashy: thats great news!! |
| 00:18.08 | Yashy | nods |
| 00:19.21 | Zorkman | shouts YESSsSSS! |
| 00:21.07 | Yashy | likes the idea of kismet with eth0 and the GPSr :) |
| 00:21.18 | Yashy | wardriver in my pocket |
| 00:22.59 | kd8ikt | lol huh did someone say kismet running? |
| 00:26.12 | Zorkman | is it easy to install or do we have to do some magic? |
| 00:26.49 | kd8ikt | i dont see the bibake files |
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| 00:28.11 | kd8ikt | i take that back its in the FSO dev sources |
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| 00:28.54 | kd8ikt | openembedded/packages/kismet |
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| 00:31.58 | Zorkman | will it be long before people that can't build it can use it? |
| 00:32.19 | kd8ikt | i'm trying to build it right now |
| 00:32.47 | kd8ikt | i doubt it'll work though |
| 00:32.55 | kd8ikt | tcpdump is one othing |
| 00:33.13 | kd8ikt | kismet needs to be able to set it in monitor mode |
| 00:34.54 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: |
| 00:34.55 | Zorkman | <Yashy> InterfaceChipsetDriver |
| 00:34.55 | Zorkman | <Yashy> eth0UNKNOWNsdio_wlan (monitor mode enabled) |
| 00:35.22 | kd8ikt | howd you do that |
| 00:36.53 | Zorkman | ask yashy :) |
| 00:37.01 | Zorkman | or Marcel_M |
| 00:38.23 | Marcel_M | kd8ikt: kismet is here http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/ |
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| 00:38.59 | kd8ikt | have you gotten it to work on the freerunner? |
| 00:39.27 | Yashy | airmon-ng start eth0 |
| 00:39.31 | Yashy | is what I was running |
| 00:39.46 | Yashy | I don't have kismet working yet, can't find the conf files :) |
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| 00:41.01 | Yashy | # kismet_server |
| 00:41.02 | Yashy | FATAL: Could not find user 'your_user_here' for dropping priviledges. Make sure you have a valid user set for 'suiduser' in your config file. See the 'Installation & Security' and 'Configuration' sections of the README file for more information. |
| 00:41.35 | kd8ikt | yeah you need to change that |
| 00:41.35 | cjb | Yashy: you obviously need to.. well, do what it says |
| 00:41.39 | cjb | and specify a user in the config file |
| 00:42.07 | Yashy | You might wanna install aircrack-ng as well. |
| 00:42.32 | Yashy | yeah, I added a user to drop privs, can't find a config file yet, might have to create one |
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| 00:43.54 | kd8ikt | vi /etc/kismet.conf |
| 00:44.07 | Yashy | doh it was in /etc, not sure how I missed it initially, was looking all over |
| 00:46.13 | kd8ikt | used source=hostap,eth00,moko |
| 00:46.27 | kd8ikt | and then my conenction dropped ;) so it should be working |
| 00:46.31 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 00:46.50 | kd8ikt | lemmie reboot <i killed usb0 and havent installed the full keyboard yet> |
| 00:47.05 | kd8ikt | and the user i named games |
| 00:47.16 | kd8ikt | cause its a valid user in /etc/passwd |
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| 00:48.57 | Zorkman | raster is back from the sweatshop dungeon :) |
| 00:49.27 | raster | hahahah |
| 00:51.04 | kd8ikt | aw crap now my moko isnt booting |
| 00:51.31 | Zorkman | is going to reboot and hope that kismet, aircrack-ng and the likes work when he gets back :) |
| 00:51.32 | Yashy | which sourced did you list, kd8ikt? |
| 00:51.45 | Yashy | Zorkman: no need to reboot? |
| 00:51.56 | Yashy | sources |
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| 00:52.48 | kd8ikt | hm opkg upgrade seems to have nuked my kernel |
| 00:53.08 | kd8ikt | went into uboot and clicked boot and it said ugh wheres the kernel? |
| 00:53.50 | xmpp | who is canadian like me here? and what are the best phone plans? freerunner is my very first cellphone. |
| 00:54.02 | kd8ikt | lol really? |
| 00:54.12 | kd8ikt | sry but that shit is funny |
| 00:54.29 | xmpp | rogers? bell? telus? other? |
| 00:54.34 | Yashy | xmpp: only like 2 options in Canada |
| 00:54.41 | Yashy | Telus is GSM |
| 00:54.47 | Yashy | I use Rogers with mine |
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| 00:55.00 | edistar | kd8ikt: the kernel problem is known |
| 00:55.18 | kd8ikt | noshit? well it wasnt known to me untill it happened to me |
| 00:55.37 | edistar | kd8ikt: I had that two days ago |
| 00:56.09 | Yashy | kd8ikt: use 7/27 kernel :/ |
| 00:56.16 | balrog-kun | it would have been known if you read the list ;) |
| 00:56.25 | edistar | kd8ikt: you can just flash a current kernel |
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| 00:57.02 | xmpp | Yashy: does rogers have an option for people who bought their phone elsewhere? |
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| 00:57.16 | Yashy | using source=ath5k,eth0,Madwifi |
| 00:57.28 | Yashy | FATAL: Failed to set monitor mode: Invalid argument. This usually means your drivers either do not support monitor mode, or use a different mechanism for getting to it. Make sure you have a version of your drivers that support monitor mode, and consult the troubleshooting section of the README. |
| 00:57.30 | Yashy | :( |
| 00:57.47 | Yashy | xmpp: Just buy a SIM card, no need to tell them what phone you have. |
| 00:58.00 | Yashy | xmpp: put the SIM card in and you're off to the races. |
| 00:58.33 | Yashy | xmpp: You can use any telco that'll sell you a SIM card in Canada :) |
| 00:58.41 | kd8ikt | dude how can you say read the list cause right nowi see like 400 unread mails in my box and most are retsarded bs |
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| 00:59.28 | edistar_ | Yashy: no monitor mode on FR |
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| 01:00.07 | balrog-kun | dude, you delete the retarded bs and you read the important ones |
| 01:00.11 | xmpp | i thought they necessarely sell me a phone anyway even at 0$ with a 3years contract |
| 01:01.31 | Yashy | editar: OK. How was tcpdump -i eth0 working? I could see my wifi ssh traffic... |
| 01:02.05 | kd8ikt | `tcpdump -i eth0 not port 22` |
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| 01:07.32 | Yashy | What I'm asking is that if monitor mode doesn't work, how was I able to see my eth0 traffic? |
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| 01:08.30 | kd8ikt | packet sniffing and wifi monitor mode are completely different |
| 01:08.34 | aggtrfrad | you can see all traffic from or to the ap u r connected to |
| 01:08.43 | aggtrfrad | without beeing in monitor mode |
| 01:09.29 | aggtrfrad | bu u cannot see other APs |
| 01:12.27 | aggtrfrad | any comments on the bluetooth device/antenna/range? |
| 01:12.28 | Yashy | ahh thanks for the clarification |
| 01:13.00 | jacky | so it won't work? |
| 01:13.01 | aggtrfrad | noone cares about blueooth :( |
| 01:14.14 | kd8ikt | i've gotten like 20-30 feet via bluetooth |
| 01:14.30 | kd8ikt | less more likely |
| 01:15.00 | kd8ikt | it was never really meant for long range |
| 01:15.59 | Yashy | I just did my first bluetooth scan, got about 15 foot range |
| 01:16.37 | Dave | :) |
| 01:16.50 | Dave | less more likely? |
| 01:16.57 | Dave | What a terrible construct :p |
| 01:17.08 | Dave | pages nuclear_eclipse |
| 01:17.15 | Dave | NET 2.0!!! |
| 01:19.41 | Dave | hehe, trusten |
| 01:20.11 | Yashy | Marcel_M: bluesnarfer? :) http://www.securiteam.com/tools/5KP0220F5E.html |
| 01:21.13 | Marcel_M | Yashy: dont know if its working http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/bluesnarfer_0.1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 01:23.59 | Dave | snarfer? o_O |
| 01:24.02 | Dave | what the hell is that? :D |
| 01:24.34 | Yashy | http://www.thebunker.net/resources/bluetooth |
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| 01:24.57 | Yashy | leeches the phone book of vulnerable bluetooth devices for example |
| 01:26.32 | kd8ikt | 1 in 100000 vulnerable |
| 01:26.43 | kd8ikt | and it'll probably be some old lady anyway |
| 01:27.13 | Yashy | on my way out to a busy pub, I'll see if I find 1 in 100000 :) |
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| 01:30.06 | torindel | hates opening moko |
| 01:30.39 | torindel | and yay for not being able to power off with button after kernel paniced |
| 01:31.18 | kd8ikt | oh its just such a hassle to prey the back off and pull the battery for a sec |
| 01:31.27 | kd8ikt | pry^ |
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| 01:31.52 | torindel | kd8ikt: problem is the back -__-, it doesnt go off too easly in my moko |
| 01:32.11 | kd8ikt | your not doing it right then |
| 01:36.22 | Dave | viri! |
| 01:36.39 | kd8ikt | cacti |
| 01:37.43 | kd8ikt | whats this underground firmware stuff? |
| 01:38.08 | wastrel | any nyc-area devs want to give a talk for NYLUG? |
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| 01:40.05 | stephelton | are my call logs, sms messages, etc. all found in my /home/root dir? |
| 01:40.27 | stephelton | in other words, if i only back that directory up will i be ok? |
| 01:43.58 | Dave | hah |
| 01:45.42 | Dave | Error saving screenshot: Value for PNG text chunk CREATOR cannot be converted to ISO-8859-1 encoding. |
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| 01:50.35 | Chocky | moo |
| 01:52.02 | kd8ikt | DAve |
| 01:52.29 | kd8ikt | Dave: ln -s libc.so.6 /lib/libc.so |
| 01:52.48 | kd8ikt | and screenshots will work again |
| 01:52.56 | stephelton | the wiki proclaims that dfu-util is broken...? |
| 01:56.17 | kd8ikt | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
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| 02:00.35 | stephelton | kd8ikt: whose screenshots are these? are these from the asu image? |
| 02:00.59 | kd8ikt | doesnt know what your looking at |
| 02:01.09 | Chocky | you're! |
| 02:01.12 | Chocky | grr. it's not that hard! |
| 02:01.15 | stephelton | haha |
| 02:01.17 | Chocky | grumbles. |
| 02:01.24 | stephelton | the link you just sent. i suppose they are random images |
| 02:01.45 | kd8ikt | infact i think ill keep on saying it just to piss you're ass off |
| 02:02.15 | kd8ikt | your in for some hell now you better juse /ignore me Chocky |
| 02:02.16 | stephelton | LOL |
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| 02:05.45 | Chocky | bring it on, bitch. |
| 02:06.12 | Chocky | will kick your skinny ass any day of the week! |
| 02:06.19 | Chocky | and your pony. |
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| 02:17.05 | linuxxr | lol |
| 02:17.44 | linuxxr | arrrrrrrrrrggggggg |
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| 02:18.34 | Chocky | lots of losers? |
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| 02:21.59 | jOERG_rw | anybody got a working alsa.state or pointer to alsamixer-element's names for **recording from mic** ??? |
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| 02:33.42 | Marcel_M | jOERG_rw: i have not tested it myself but there are some posts on the ml http://n2.nabble.com/mixer-settings-for-voice-recording--tp639952p639952.html |
| 02:34.16 | jOERG_rw | :-) thnx!!! |
| 02:35.15 | Marcel_M | jOERG_rw: alsactl -f /etc/capturehandset.state and arecord -f cd -t wav -d 30 testfile.wav should do it as well |
| 02:35.30 | Marcel_M | + restore ;) |
| 02:35.52 | jOERG_rw | capturehandset sounds quite reasonable. exactly what i need! |
| 02:35.58 | Marcel_M | :) |
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| 03:19.49 | jOERG_rw | Marcel_M: where did you find /etc/capturehandset.state? Which image? Any pointer? |
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| 03:21.59 | linuxxr | i do opkgupgrade an it says downloading an upgrading all these.ipk files, yet at the end it lists all the files an says failed to download all these upgrades |
| 03:22.33 | kd8ikt | jOERG_rw: \/usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ ? |
| 03:22.38 | Marcel_M | jOERG_rw: it changed meanwile /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ |
| 03:22.45 | Marcel_M | kd8ikt: tx |
| 03:22.49 | kd8ikt | lol beat yaq to it |
| 03:22.54 | Marcel_M | hehe |
| 03:22.58 | linuxxr | maybe my repositories configuried wrong? |
| 03:23.12 | kd8ikt | woulda been quicker but i just now looked back at the screen |
| 03:23.13 | jOERG_rw | Marcel_M: which image? |
| 03:23.34 | Marcel_M | on a 2007.2 |
| 03:23.38 | kd8ikt | hey how do i kill the click sound in 2007 again? i forget thats file |
| 03:23.51 | jOERG_rw | i got no capturehandset.state anywhere on my om2007.2 |
| 03:23.52 | kd8ikt | some startup session conf |
| 03:23.55 | linuxxr | my /etc/version still says 2007 |
| 03:24.24 | Marcel_M | hmm /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ is empty ? |
| 03:24.33 | kd8ikt | ugh oh |
| 03:25.10 | jOERG_rw | Marcel_M: there are 5 *.state in here, but no capturehandset.state |
| 03:25.25 | torindel | linuxxr: if opkg upgrade fails it wont mark any package as installed, you probably just failed on one pkg |
| 03:26.06 | jOERG_rw | anyway, will have a look to most recent image of om2007, probably sth has changed here |
| 03:26.31 | Marcel_M | jOERG_rw: mom ill take a look if i got some on my rep |
| 03:26.52 | jOERG_rw | toss it over - would appreciate :-) |
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| 03:27.08 | Marcel_M | http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/alsa_state_files-working.tar.gz |
| 03:27.26 | Marcel_M | not the newest ones but |
| 03:27.49 | kd8ikt | http://pastebin.com/mc30d311 |
| 03:27.52 | mmontour | jOERG_rw: try http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/browser/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta02/capturehandset.state |
| 03:28.05 | kd8ikt | --^ my current capture state |
| 03:28.59 | kd8ikt | there are entirely too many snd devices |
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| 03:29.20 | kd8ikt | that shit needs to be compressed/reworked bigtime |
| 03:30.24 | jOERG_rw | lol: 13 days zecke: Add capturehandset.state courtsey Christian Kuester <c.kuester AT ⦠|
| 03:30.52 | jOERG_rw | thanks a lot everybody! :-) |
| 03:31.02 | Marcel_M | :) |
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| 03:32.51 | kd8ikt | oh shit i accidently installed enlightenment |
| 03:33.54 | tomboy64 | :-D |
| 03:33.57 | tomboy64 | that's bad |
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| 03:36.25 | linuxxr | thanks |
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| 03:42.16 | torindel | last good working asu? or anyone mind telling me how input methods work (or dont work) in latest build? -__- |
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| 03:42.36 | rooly | so right. |
| 03:42.42 | rooly | i just got my freerunner in the mail |
| 03:43.06 | rooly | i'm wondering both the easiest way to connect to my open wifi, and the easiest way to install the media player |
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| 03:44.06 | torindel | rooly: use terminal, or just use usb cable and do it via ssh |
| 03:44.32 | rooly | right |
| 03:45.44 | rooly | i'm just wondering why there isn't a wifi-configurator out of the box |
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| 03:45.56 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 03:48.17 | kgoetz | finds the lack of "special keys" quite limiting in using the terminal ( no tab, no / ) |
| 03:48.37 | torindel | kgoetz: you can fix that |
| 03:49.57 | linuxxr | Note that step won't help much if you don't have connectivity above. DNS is configured in /etc/resolv.conf. It should contain: |
| 03:49.57 | linuxxr | nameserver 192.168.0.200 |
| 03:50.11 | kgoetz | torindel: ill probably try after i've updated the image to something newer - i'm hoping most of the bugs i'v found are a result of an old image |
| 03:50.26 | linuxxr | is this to be done on the desktop or ssh on freerunner? |
| 03:50.42 | swc|666 | question.. where can i adjust the display timeout so that the brightness dims in less time on 2007.2? |
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| 03:55.03 | Marcel_M | linuxxr: cp the nameserver from your /etc/resolv.conf from the desktop to /etc/network/interfaces on the fr |
| 03:55.18 | linuxxr | i try |
| 03:55.47 | linuxxr | its a public ip an theres 3 of them |
| 03:56.08 | Marcel_M | use the first one |
| 03:57.46 | Marcel_M | if you put it in /etc/network/interfaces it will survive a reboot |
| 04:00.49 | kd8ikt | gotta admit i love how i can survive without a stylus on fso |
| 04:02.22 | kd8ikt | found a build from yesterday and i wuv it |
| 04:02.27 | swc|666 | kd8ikt: do u know if this is up to date regarding FSO? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 04:02.54 | swc|666 | i.e. no gprs/pppd and sms |
| 04:03.11 | peepsalot | do all gsm phones store contacts on the sim? i'm starting to wonder if my contacts are really on there or not. |
| 04:03.15 | kd8ikt | i think sms is sorta working gps i can get running |
| 04:03.34 | swc|666 | hmm |
| 04:03.45 | kd8ikt | most phones you have to speciffically tell save to sim or phone mem |
| 04:04.00 | kd8ikt | atleast all the ones i've had |
| 04:04.32 | peepsalot | hmm, i'll have to put the sim back in and check the settings then. i don't remember ever seeing a setting for that though. it's an LG CU500 |
| 04:05.17 | kd8ikt | actually no i dont think sms on fso works |
| 04:05.31 | peepsalot | i wonder how much room there is left for improvement on boot times |
| 04:05.54 | kd8ikt | its missing a few menu items still, i mean the buttons are there they just dont do anything |
| 04:07.47 | peepsalot | has anyone figured out why screen taps don't register half the time? |
| 04:08.42 | kd8ikt | your not clicking the right area? |
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| 04:12.52 | peepsalot | i'm clicking on a huge menu that is hard to miss, even if i clicked the wrong thing, something should happen. it makes the tap noise, but the menu item does not get activated |
| 04:13.06 | torindel | kd8ikt: you're on milestone1? |
| 04:13.18 | kd8ikt | nah |
| 04:13.26 | kd8ikt | lates 29 build |
| 04:13.36 | kd8ikt | was new this morning ;) |
| 04:14.08 | peepsalot | agh, well, my old phone apparently only stores contact info in it's internal memory. it lets me see that there are 57 contacts in there, but no way I can find to put them on the sim card |
| 04:15.00 | kd8ikt | i want to know about writing new contacts to the sim cause sofar i dont think the moko does/can yet |
| 04:15.51 | peepsalot | oh, i figured it out, i guess I have to send each contact to the sim individually |
| 04:16.55 | kd8ikt | heh i hope you dont have a lot |
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| 04:17.31 | rooly | hmm |
| 04:17.44 | rooly | i'm following the usb-networking on the wiki, but it seems to be refusing to work |
| 04:18.04 | kd8ikt | heh yell at chicky its his bastard lovechild ;) |
| 04:18.29 | rooly | won't even respond to pings |
| 04:18.40 | torindel | beh update on sd card ate my normal kernel -__-; |
| 04:18.51 | kd8ikt | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.248 ; ssh root@192.168.0.202 ;#doesnt work for you? |
| 04:19.19 | kd8ikt | cause it shoudl |
| 04:19.48 | kd8ikt | ^--- is all the usbnet crap i ever do |
| 04:20.04 | rooly | not working |
| 04:20.14 | rooly | phone shows usb icon |
| 04:20.34 | kd8ikt | does you pc say something about no usb dev? |
| 04:20.35 | swc|666 | rooly, is the host linux? |
| 04:20.40 | rooly | yeah |
| 04:20.42 | rooly | ubuntu |
| 04:20.43 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 04:20.54 | kd8ikt | ifconfig usb0 says no dev? |
| 04:21.00 | rooly | ifconfig returns no errors |
| 04:21.02 | swc|666 | did u sudo the networking commands on 'buntu? |
| 04:21.06 | rooly | yes |
| 04:21.12 | rooly | several times now |
| 04:21.22 | swc|666 | what does ifconfig usb0 how? |
| 04:21.26 | swc|666 | show* |
| 04:21.37 | swc|666 | anything? |
| 04:21.37 | kd8ikt | is a ubuntu users aslwell |
| 04:21.55 | rooly | http://irrlichtirc.g0dsoft.com/paste/130 |
| 04:22.15 | swc|666 | do this... unplus the cord to the FR, plug it back in and rerun the commands on the host machine |
| 04:22.15 | kd8ikt | ssh 192.168.0.202 |
| 04:22.21 | swc|666 | unplus/unplug* |
| 04:22.32 | rooly | done that several times already, swc|666 |
| 04:22.47 | kd8ikt | sure you got the moko's ip correct? |
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| 04:23.26 | swc|666 | i'd say there is a typo somewhere |
| 04:23.28 | rooly | unfortunately, yes i'm sure |
| 04:24.16 | rooly | http://irrlichtirc.g0dsoft.com/paste/131 |
| 04:25.32 | kd8ikt | love how htop and nano are on FSO |
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| 04:25.52 | swc|666 | rooly... make this a shell script |
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| 04:25.58 | swc|666 | http://pastebin.ca/1086778 |
| 04:26.09 | swc|666 | change eth1 to your nic |
| 04:26.15 | peepsalot | Huzzah! I've solved the great missing contact mystery of 08! |
| 04:26.38 | swc|666 | chmod it and run as sudo... u should be fine then |
| 04:26.45 | peepsalot | silly me, assumed it was a bug with openmoko |
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| 04:28.18 | rooly | ... |
| 04:28.20 | rooly | seriously |
| 04:28.22 | rooly | what the fsck |
| 04:28.26 | peepsalot | now all I need is a way to set volume without ssh'ing into my phone |
| 04:28.26 | rooly | still not working |
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| 04:28.37 | rooly | maybe my image is just too damned old |
| 04:28.46 | swc|666 | 2007.2 image? |
| 04:28.49 | rooly | it's the 0424 image that comes default on the phone |
| 04:28.54 | rooly | 20080424 |
| 04:28.59 | swc|666 | hmm |
| 04:29.27 | peepsalot | rooly, did you sudo ifdown usb0 && sudo ifup usb0 |
| 04:29.59 | swc|666 | afk |
| 04:30.02 | rooly | well, i've just done that |
| 04:30.13 | rooly | and goddamit, still no luck |
| 04:30.17 | kd8ikt | nah rooly image is fine |
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| 04:30.40 | rooly | i just wish the wifi would connect to my network |
| 04:30.45 | rooly | then there wouldn't be a problem |
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| 04:30.57 | rooly | cause i could upgrade easily |
| 04:32.50 | linuxxr | lets hope not roooly |
| 04:33.15 | rooly | hmm, is the fso image worth it? |
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| 04:34.28 | peepsalot | hmm, qtopia reads my contacts from SIM, but not 2007.2 |
| 04:35.05 | peepsalot | and won't regsiter either |
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| 04:44.07 | peepsalot | hmm, when the phone "locks" for power saving, any usb ssh session gets interrupted. seems like it should wait till this is done |
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| 04:46.49 | torindel | peepsalot: 2007.2 is more like "read part of" |
| 04:47.07 | rooly | is installing 20080715 |
| 04:48.01 | peepsalot | torindel, what do you mean "read part of"? |
| 04:49.00 | kd8ikt | ... yeah i have to admit that confuses me aswell |
| 04:49.17 | torindel | peepsalot: on my sim it reads about half of my orginal contacts |
| 04:49.34 | torindel | on other sims from all to none |
| 04:49.39 | peepsalot | that's weird |
| 04:50.06 | torindel | althroo i checked only on 3 sims total |
| 04:50.06 | kd8ikt | how manny contacts do you have? |
| 04:50.17 | torindel | not that much |
| 04:50.23 | torindel | maybe 50 |
| 04:50.29 | kd8ikt | i havent had problems ever but i only have like 10 |
| 04:50.38 | kd8ikt | that a lot of contacts |
| 04:51.27 | peepsalot | is there a config file for telling the 2007.2 clock what timezone to display? |
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| 04:52.41 | torindel | peepsalot: yep read wiki |
| 04:53.14 | peepsalot | i am reading the wiki |
| 04:53.39 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Timezone |
| 04:53.54 | kd8ikt | ~timezone |
| 04:53.54 | apt | methinks timezone is "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig |
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| 04:54.28 | kd8ikt | ~fso |
| 04:54.29 | apt | somebody said fso was the freesmartphone.org software release. It includes the backbone software for the phone hardware (and some other things) and a working dialer, and not much else. |
| 04:59.16 | peepsalot | thanks kd8ikt, torindel, I got it |
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| 05:07.29 | peepsalot | any ideas how to go to 12hr mode. i swear i search the wiki |
| 05:07.36 | peepsalot | *searched* |
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| 05:08.17 | cjb | peepsalot: rm /etc/ohm/inhibit-idle-suspend |
| 05:08.26 | cjb | peepsalot: depends what build you're on, though |
| 05:08.49 | peepsalot | cjb, what's that do? |
| 05:09.08 | cjb | starts automatic power management |
| 05:09.26 | cjb | d'oh! |
| 05:09.29 | cjb | I thought this was #olpc |
| 05:09.30 | cjb | haha |
| 05:09.40 | cjb | fail |
| 05:09.44 | kd8ikt | i want one of those lil machiens |
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| 05:13.44 | kd8ikt | wow there are a bunch on ebay |
| 05:14.16 | kd8ikt | i'm sure i could dream up a couple usefull things for a bunch of em |
| 05:14.21 | kgoetz | prefers the FR, even if it is buggy as hell. |
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| 05:24.51 | rtm | Does anyone know if with the 2007.2 stack there is a way to recalibrate the touchscreen? I have tried xtscal, but I get the message "XCALIBRATE extension missing: Success" and nothing else happens... |
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| 05:26.25 | railer | seriously has anyone tried a BT headset on this thing? I can see the HS through the FR. but the wiki has under bluetooth lots of ways to hook up to lots of things, but not BT and under Headset it's basically nothing, anyone know where the actual how to connect is? |
| 05:26.38 | raster | nup |
| 05:26.46 | raster | dont even own a bt headset |
| 05:26.50 | raster | actually |
| 05:26.55 | raster | dont even make phonecalls on it |
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| 05:27.38 | railer | I make call on it now I'm trying to make Clear calls on it |
| 05:28.19 | railer | tried a plugin head set nothing |
| 05:29.03 | ljp | raster: you need the retro bt handset |
| 05:30.40 | raster | ljp: i'd need to have my FR actually do something othr than be reflashed every few hours |
| 05:30.41 | raster | :) |
| 05:30.57 | ljp | mine stays unflashed over night |
| 05:31.09 | ljp | or if I am working on other devices |
| 05:32.14 | raster | blashpemy! other devices! :):):) |
| 05:32.28 | mmontour | railer: Dave (aka DaveLab) said that he got a BT headset to work, but he hasn't put details of his configuration onto the wiki yet. |
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| 05:33.39 | railer | ok i'll beat it out of him tomorrow |
| 05:34.17 | marcinsoo | railer: what BT headset do you have ? |
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| 05:34.47 | mmontour | Please do - I also want to know how to get headset audio working :) |
| 05:34.56 | railer | motorola not sure what type |
| 05:35.04 | raster | hmm |
| 05:35.20 | raster | can someone remember what timezone SRCDATES are in for bitbake? |
| 05:35.23 | raster | GMT? |
| 05:35.25 | marcinsoo | mmontour : headset is not working , heh ? |
| 05:35.40 | marcinsoo | i think of buying Plantronics Pulsar 260 BT |
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| 05:35.51 | railer | H300 Motorla |
| 05:35.53 | marcinsoo | stereo |
| 05:36.04 | ljp | raster: the best ones are the secret ones I cannot mention :) |
| 05:36.07 | mmontour | I tried to get a Plantronics 220 working but I didn't succeed. It paired, but I never got audio through it |
| 05:36.15 | johnsu01 | Is there a place to order from in the US right now? The place I found via the home page under US is actually in Canadian dollars |
| 05:36.33 | raster | ljp: hehehhe |
| 05:36.46 | marcinsoo | hmm , i assume if one BT headset works , most of them should also work |
| 05:37.15 | railer | I'm sure they work but how to connect |
| 05:37.35 | marcinsoo | i do not have FR yet to try :/ |
| 05:37.59 | mmontour | I don't have a FR either, just a Neo1973 |
| 05:38.22 | railer | well I wanted 3 thing phone, sms, and wifi, got 2 out of 3 |
| 05:38.35 | marcinsoo | but remember that i have problem to connect my treo to laptop via blootooth , but finally did it |
| 05:39.07 | railer | well lots of info on connecting a laptop, but nothing on connections a headset |
| 05:39.09 | kgoetz | how can i get / and _ and : (slash and underscore and colon) onto the keyboard? i cant change any network settings without them :( |
| 05:39.13 | marcinsoo | railer : i expect much more from FR :)) |
| 05:39.29 | marcinsoo | 300 thinngs |
| 05:39.57 | Rigolo | railer: which of those 3 is not working then? |
| 05:40.06 | mbuf | is there any way we can use a secure channel for bluetooth? |
| 05:40.10 | railer | I was hoping for a least a phone, expect to be very disappointed |
| 05:40.13 | Rigolo | kgoetz: that is on the wiki ... |
| 05:40.29 | mbuf | rather than let anyone connect to anyone? |
| 05:40.43 | Rigolo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards |
| 05:40.47 | kgoetz | Rigolo: ok, i'll look again |
| 05:40.51 | railer | the one of 3? A phone that doesn't sound like garbage |
| 05:40.52 | kgoetz | Rigolo: ah, thank you |
| 05:40.55 | Rigolo | fix for the missing keys |
| 05:41.27 | Rigolo | railer: I only had complaints about the volume .. changing the MIC setting to 1 (2 and 3 where too loud) solved that) |
| 05:42.03 | Rigolo | talked for 30 mins on the FR yesterday ... no problems at all .. no complaints |
| 05:42.34 | railer | well I can try that, everyone tells me it echoie and sometime muffles |
| 05:42.51 | railer | and it's 100% of the calls |
| 05:43.13 | Rigolo | setting on 2 or 3 caused echo's on the receiving side I was told ... with 1 not |
| 05:43.23 | railer | ok I'll try that |
| 05:43.37 | kgoetz | Rigolo: hm. i might have to leave it for after i get home on a network that doesnt use 192./* when i can do it by ssh |
| 05:44.24 | Rigolo | kgoetz: that is a real chicken/egg problem ... adding MISSING keys via the keyboard that is missing them :-) |
| 05:44.38 | railer | you have the command handy? |
| 05:44.39 | kgoetz | Rigolo: yeah, its a bit mean :) |
| 05:45.24 | Rigolo | kgoetz: but you can not ssh where you are now? you do not have to setup routing etc ... just keep usb0 seperate from eth0 |
| 05:45.57 | Rigolo | just make sure that 202 goes to usb0 ... (unless that IP is used by some very important other server :-) |
| 05:46.41 | kgoetz | Rigolo: i'm on a work network, and 192.168/16 is used by the company. i dont think i could get packets goin to the phone while keeping my sanity |
| 05:47.24 | Rigolo | why not? just tell route that anything destined for 192.168.0.202 should go to usb0 .. and it should work I think |
| 05:47.44 | Rigolo | linux or windows at work? |
| 05:48.10 | kgoetz | linux, debian. *pulls out the route man page, and goes to check he has usb networking in his kernel* |
| 05:48.23 | Rigolo | that;s the spirit :-) |
| 05:48.44 | kgoetz | :) |
| 05:48.55 | kgoetz | hopes The Boss doesnt come over and tell him to do work |
| 05:49.02 | railer | Rigolo you changed the usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state Mic2 right? |
| 05:49.11 | Rigolo | kgoetz: I think most of what you need is mentoned in the USB networking wiki page |
| 05:49.22 | Rigolo | railer: yep .. but not to 3 as mentioned on the wiki |
| 05:49.43 | kgoetz | Rigolo: i have tha topen, so i'll keep working my way through |
| 05:49.48 | railer | ok changed to 1 |
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| 05:50.06 | Rigolo | cool .. kgoetz works with Bruce Springsteen :-) |
| 05:51.38 | pabs3 | how do I debug the boot process? my FreeRunner has been working today and last night, but now it doesn't get past the initial OpenMoko boot logo |
| 05:51.40 | kgoetz | hehe |
| 05:51.46 | kd8ikt | heh http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Kd8ikt#Rave_shell_script |
| 05:51.59 | kgoetz | pabs3: hey mate |
| 05:52.04 | Rigolo | pabs3: I guess you did a opkg update/upgrade right? |
| 05:52.28 | pabs3 | Rigolo: just update, no upgrade |
| 05:52.55 | Rigolo | pabs3: did you install any new kernel stuff via opkg ? |
| 05:53.02 | pabs3 | definitely not |
| 05:53.44 | Rigolo | pabs3: can you still ssh into the phone? or is that also broken? |
| 05:54.32 | pabs3 | it was working before - went for a walk with the gps, when I got back I was trying to get usbnet going, the screen went blank and starting it up didn't get past the boot screen. |
| 05:54.33 | Rigolo | pabs3: we had some people here (including me) that had a broken phone after doing a opkg update and then opkg upgrade on a fresh 2007.02 image (July 22th) |
| 05:54.54 | pabs3 | tried removing the battery, replacing, no luck |
| 05:55.19 | Rigolo | and if you go into the uboot menu en manually select boot from there? |
| 05:55.26 | mmontour | pabs3: try re-flashing the kernel anyway (with dfu-util). If that doesn't work, try going into the NAND u-boot menu and selecting "boot" from there |
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| 05:57.13 | pabs3 | is this how to get the uboot menu? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Bootloader_prompt |
| 05:57.24 | kgoetz | convinces the bos to help out (i only have usb1.1 on this laptop, seems you need usb) |
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| 05:58.21 | Rigolo | kgoetz: mm the usb on the FR is usb 1.1 only as far as I can tell |
| 05:59.19 | mmontour | Start with the on-screen u-boot menu (hold power button, then press+hold aux button until the device turns on) |
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| 06:00.47 | pabs3 | hmm, the boot item does "Starting kernel" and then nothing |
| 06:02.17 | pabs3 | reflash time I guess |
| 06:02.31 | Rigolo | pabs3: then only reflash the kernel ... |
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| 06:03.54 | pabs3 | is there a howto for that? |
| 06:04.05 | kd8ikt | heh cool |
| 06:04.06 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Kd8ikt#Rave_shell_script |
| 06:04.10 | kd8ikt | i fixed it it works |
| 06:04.28 | kd8ikt | all my lights are randomly blinking |
| 06:04.33 | Rigolo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 06:04.38 | kgoetz | kd8ikt: lol |
| 06:04.39 | Rigolo | pabs: onthe wiki :-) |
| 06:04.51 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: what lights? |
| 06:04.54 | pabs3 | thanks |
| 06:04.58 | kd8ikt | power / aux |
| 06:05.09 | kd8ikt | power has 2 lights but in combo produce 3 colors |
| 06:05.22 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: oo they have lights? never saw that :-) |
| 06:05.31 | kd8ikt | try my script |
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| 06:05.34 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 06:05.40 | kd8ikt | oh btw you need to install bash |
| 06:05.51 | kd8ikt | uses bash's $RANDOM |
| 06:06.23 | kd8ikt | ash (the main openmoko installed shell) doesnt have that |
| 06:06.42 | kd8ikt | ok now i'm going to ad the vibrator |
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| 06:07.38 | railer | Rigolo did the change I'm not louder (had to go to 3) but still static in the background any thoughts? |
| 06:07.57 | kd8ikt | whats the max range of the vibrator? like 250 or somethin? |
| 06:08.49 | railer | not = now |
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| 06:10.21 | kd8ikt | this could turn out to be the ultimate silent ringer |
| 06:10.52 | Yashy | Something bad has changed with kernel or dialer. Calls worked fine for me until tonight, two lasted less than 30 seconds than hungup |
| 06:11.28 | Yashy | the only calls that hung up on my before today were if I was on a call, and had another incoming call it'd hang up on my existing one |
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| 06:13.28 | Yashy | noted kd8ikt is using <blink> tags in HTML? :( |
| 06:14.07 | pabs3 | Rigolo: reflashing with uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin didn't seem to help |
| 06:14.57 | Rigolo | pabs3: still a kernel error? or other errors? |
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| 06:15.06 | Yashy | 7/27 kernel works |
| 06:15.43 | pabs3 | no error, kernel just doesn't start |
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| 06:16.04 | Rigolo | pabs3: and what image where you using? the standard release image? or a daily build image? |
| 06:16.29 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: silent ? :-) |
| 06:16.42 | pabs3 | just got it yesterday, haven't done anything except installing gps stuff |
| 06:17.47 | Yashy | today's kernel image was borked, use 7/27 |
| 06:17.55 | Rigolo | pabs3: that I would suggest flashing a new complete new image from the daily builds ..... but no garantuee about the stability :-) |
| 06:18.19 | Yashy | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080727/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 06:18.44 | pabs3 | should I flash the rootfs too? |
| 06:18.45 | Rigolo | Yashy: he is/was still on stable release ... so his rootfs can not handle the latest kernel |
| 06:19.29 | Rigolo | pabs3: kernel and rootfs (or at least the modules) should match ... so preferably you should flash both |
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| 06:20.02 | Yashy | I'd try just the kernel |
| 06:20.05 | Rigolo | pabs3: but .. that means you loose anything that you have done so far on it ... (but you can not get to it right now anyway) |
| 06:20.09 | Yashy | if that didn't work, then also the rootfs :) |
| 06:20.31 | Rigolo | Yashy: well and then i would pick a daily build ..... |
| 06:20.55 | Yashy | Rigolo: I pointed him to yesterday's? |
| 06:21.08 | pabs3 | Yashy: flashing it with that kernel seems to have worked, thanks :D |
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| 06:21.17 | Yashy | no worries :) |
| 06:21.25 | Yashy | I had the same issue this morning :) |
| 06:21.49 | Rigolo | pabs3: then i do think that opkg update/upgrade did something ... like it did for most people |
| 06:21.51 | Yashy | pabs: http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner you might find this handy |
| 06:22.00 | pabs3 | hmm, ok |
| 06:22.16 | Yashy | Rigolo: yeah, I did an upgrade which hosed my phone, not a flash |
| 06:22.47 | pabs3 | detects need for automated testing |
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| 06:22.56 | Yashy | pabs: It's a list of things I do when my phone goes dead :) |
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| 06:23.10 | Yashy | yeah, I'm not far from scripting the whole thing |
| 06:23.36 | Rigolo | Yashy: yes, that happened to lots of people .... and yesterday we found out that a kernel flash solves it (but you need to pick the right kernel :-) |
| 06:24.15 | pabs3 | argh, eth0 and usb0 fighting! |
| 06:24.40 | Yashy | yes, only one default gw :) |
| 06:24.41 | Rigolo | sees that karadzic is in scheveningen (the hague) |
| 06:26.05 | pabs3 | Yashy: killing network-manager helped |
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| 06:27.28 | Yashy | wifi (eth0) should probably be on a different subnet than usb0 |
| 06:27.56 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r4d56ad1f155e 10/odeviced/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Add idlenotifier plugin to the Makefile |
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| 06:28.07 | Yashy | I wrote two scripts I keep on /media/card that I put in /bin/ that do ifdown of one && if up of the other |
| 06:28.52 | linuxxr | yup the upgrade borkrd me phone |
| 06:29.09 | Rigolo | linuxxr: welcome to the club :-) |
| 06:29.10 | kgoetz | hums. not sure this uprade has gone well |
| 06:29.11 | Yashy | ./topic don't upgrade until tomorrow (maybe) :) |
| 06:29.19 | kd8ikt | ieatlint: |
| 06:29.38 | Rigolo | Yashy: well .. this is happening for more then one day ... already for 3 I guess |
| 06:29.41 | pabs3 | blorg tangoGPS logs to /tmp by default, st00pid |
| 06:29.58 | Rigolo | and it is a bug in the opkg kernel flash script or something |
| 06:30.01 | kd8ikt | has it in /mnt/card/gpsmaps |
| 06:30.56 | linuxxr | so how to unborked it? |
| 06:31.14 | Rigolo | linuxxr: flash the july 27th kernel from daily builds |
| 06:31.34 | Rigolo | linuxxr: at least ... if it is the same problem :-) |
| 06:32.29 | Yashy | linuxxr: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080727/ |
| 06:33.01 | Yashy | http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner#Flashing just flash the kernel initially, should work if it's the same issue |
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| 06:36.16 | railer | well I'm board, I'm flashing mind to qutopia |
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| 06:36.55 | pabs3 | are the linux patches being sent upstream? /me would like to try other distros on this too at some point |
| 06:37.37 | Rigolo | pabs3: debian seems to run "fine" on the FR .... although not sure if you can make calls from a debian install |
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| 06:38.19 | pabs3 | prob just a matter of packaging the gsm stuff |
| 06:41.16 | pabs3 | so this FSO thing is the 'way of the future' for OpenMoko phones? |
| 06:42.14 | Rigolo | depends who you talk to :-) |
| 06:42.29 | Yashy | pabs: try each and make your own decision :) |
| 06:42.39 | pabs3 | heh, ok |
| 06:43.10 | Rigolo | most likely it will be one of the possible directions ... and the SHR (stable Hybrid Release) might join them all together one day (or not) |
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| 06:43.25 | Yashy | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions comparison, but not sure how accurate anything on this wiki is |
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| 06:44.02 | Yashy | Neither debian nor SHR appear to have telephony yet FWIW |
| 06:44.11 | Rigolo | are there any daily builds for FSO? |
| 06:44.14 | pabs3 | where is most of the development going on? |
| 06:44.26 | Rigolo | SHR does not exist in bits yet .. as far as I know |
| 06:44.54 | Yashy | Rigolo: http://trac.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example perhaps |
| 06:45.10 | Yashy | pabs3: You'd have to track 'em all? ASU perhaps? |
| 06:45.47 | pabs3 | hmm, ok. I'm thinking about which bits to package for Debian, and where to get them from |
| 06:45.56 | Rigolo | Yashy: just a default page with not much on it ... |
| 06:46.21 | Rigolo | pabs3: ecraven that hangs around here sometimes only runs debian on his FR ... |
| 06:47.21 | mw| | anybody here got issues with writing lots of data to SD-card, like rootfs (want to SD-card instead of nand) |
| 06:47.37 | pabs3 | there will be a meeting at debconf about Debian on the FR, if anyone happens to be in Argentina next week or the week after |
| 06:47.57 | mw| | My card always ends up with I/O error, and when they first appear, they stick (and grahics in X then bugs a bit) |
| 06:49.16 | Yashy | pabs3: I hope to be there for http://ba-con.com.ar/ not much after |
| 06:49.18 | mw| | (can probably write about 40-50 MB) |
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| 06:52.07 | pabs3 | wow, dropbear is dumb, kills child ssh processes when it is |
| 06:52.12 | pabs3 | restarted |
| 06:52.45 | mw| | if that is dumb or not is a definition |
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| 06:53.17 | mw| | opkg upgrade is usually smartest to run within a screen |
| 06:53.18 | kgoetz | sigh. *stabs opkg for semi-bricking his FR* |
| 06:54.10 | Rigolo | kgoetz: now you know why I always do a opkg -test upgrade first .... |
| 06:54.36 | Rigolo | (maybe because of my gentoo years .... never upgrade without looking) |
| 06:55.08 | kgoetz | Rigolo: i guess i was thinking of this as a 'stable' image. |
| 06:55.49 | Rigolo | kgoetz: even on stable ... I had apt-get upgrade break "stable" ubuntu 8.04 :-) |
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| 06:56.32 | kgoetz | Rigolo: i've never had 'apt-get update' break stable running debian 4.0 :) |
| 06:56.37 | pabs3 | Yashy: debcamp/debconf is august 3 to 19 or so, so you'll prob miss deconf unless you have left already |
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| 06:57.35 | tunys | helloes! |
| 06:57.47 | tunys | any more 850's in the store yet? |
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| 07:03.20 | ecraven | morning |
| 07:03.48 | Yashy | pabs: I spoke at the one in Peru a few years ago :) |
| 07:03.56 | Rigolo | and there is the debian on FR expert :-) |
| 07:04.02 | Yashy | It's a great event, I'll make it if I can. |
| 07:04.09 | pabs3 | cool :D |
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| 07:06.50 | ecraven | hehe, i'd not go that far |
| 07:09.49 | pabs3 | coming to debconf ecraven? |
| 07:09.55 | ecraven | probably not, where is it? |
| 07:10.23 | pabs3 | Mar del Plata, Argentina |
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| 07:11.29 | ecraven | hehe, also, i'm not a debian developer, i used debian for years, but switched to arch linux some time ago. still my favorite system, but i never learned to build my own packages, so i was stuck with not-too-recent versions of everything. also i like the way arch linux handles /etc more. (much simpler, great for one-man-machines, probably not so good for big servers) |
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| 07:11.42 | ecraven | pabs3: that's a bit too far away ;( |
| 07:12.04 | pabs3 | ah, ok |
| 07:12.30 | pabs3 | stops with the OT stuff :) |
| 07:12.57 | railer | qtopia here I come |
| 07:13.22 | ecraven | ;) |
| 07:14.46 | railer | FSO is another os right how many are there now? |
| 07:14.58 | ecraven | no, they are all based on angström gnu/linux |
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| 07:15.18 | ecraven | but the graphical frontend differs (and FSO has different servers for the hardware too) |
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| 07:15.29 | railer | what do you call them then? FLashes? Front Ends? |
| 07:15.47 | Rigolo | distributions :-) |
| 07:16.02 | railer | ok so how many distros? |
| 07:16.19 | Rigolo | 4 to 100 .. depending on how you count I was told |
| 07:16.36 | railer | lol oh lovely |
| 07:17.08 | Rigolo | 2007.02 and ASU as the main ones at the moment ... FSO in the making .. then the default Qtopia one |
| 07:17.25 | Rigolo | SHR in words not bits, and debian ofcourse :-) |
| 07:17.46 | Rigolo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 07:18.01 | railer | thats right I forgot about the page |
| 07:18.09 | Rigolo | and then what ever else is out there .... |
| 07:19.04 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * raef1ebc6493c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: up efl srcdate to get python-ecore api adds. |
| 07:19.05 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r51006524ade8 10/ (7 files in 5 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 07:19.05 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7bdfdc96de7d 10/ (26 files in 8 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 07:19.05 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6dbd3aec0f5a 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): new efl and illume versions - internal kbd now config option. code default is |
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| 07:19.51 | pabs3 | lols at boot image |
| 07:20.31 | Rigolo | it is a real boot image :-) |
| 07:21.13 | eckhard | hi, after two or three restart my FreeRunner does not boot anymore until I reflash. Is this known somewhere? |
| 07:21.52 | Rigolo | eckhard: and you do nothing in between those restarts? (like opkg update/upgrade?) |
| 07:22.58 | eckhard | oh yes - I did an update/upgrade but I do nt expect this leaving me with an unbootable device |
| 07:23.23 | Rigolo | eckhard: it does .... flashing the kernel from opkg breaks at the moment |
| 07:24.00 | Rigolo | eckhard: try to flash only the kernel image of the 27th ... (if you are using a devel rootfs at least) |
| 07:24.47 | eckhard | an a simple "opkg upgrade" breaks the system? I'll try flashing the kernel |
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| 07:27.22 | railer | so does qtopia have it's own room? |
| 07:27.59 | linuxxr | i need ab 8 gb sdcard |
| 07:28.19 | Rigolo | i need a 16Tb SAN :-) |
| 07:28.31 | Rigolo | okee .. 15 Tb is also fine |
| 07:29.20 | linuxxr | i hope this does it |
| 07:34.00 | pabs3 | haha, messages that can be seen on the screen when doing /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop are hilarious |
| 07:34.43 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:36.38 | kd8ikt | you mean angstrom? |
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| 07:37.52 | kd8ikt | i dont see whats funny about that |
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| 07:39.04 | linuxxr | nice boots |
| 07:39.10 | pabs3 | kd8ikt: above that |
| 07:41.01 | kd8ikt | all i see are deamon's starting |
| 07:41.16 | pabs3 | gets camera |
| 07:41.29 | kd8ikt | unless you put your own special echo's inthe /etc/init.d scripts |
| 07:41.36 | Rigolo | camera? why not copy and past plain text? |
| 07:42.48 | pabs3 | doesn't show up in ssh, only on phone screen |
| 07:43.23 | lindi- | pabs3: vtgrab to see what's on screen |
| 07:44.07 | eckhard | if I flash a new kernel do I also have to flash the modules? |
| 07:44.15 | kd8ikt | no |
| 07:45.49 | ecraven | depends, if you flash a newer kernel, it might not work with the old modules |
| 07:46.58 | Rigolo | eckhard: not to solve your opkg upgrade problem |
| 07:48.29 | ecraven | if you flash the same kernel again, you don't need to touch the modules |
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| 07:50.10 | BlackFog | 'morning |
| 07:50.23 | pabs3 | http://imagebin.ca.tbcdn.com/img/c-eliPn.jpg |
| 07:51.11 | raster | spank spank |
| 07:51.59 | kd8ikt | hhthats a python error |
| 07:52.11 | kd8ikt | some script you've been clicking doesnt work right? |
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| 07:53.15 | ecraven | pabs3: server not found |
| 07:53.22 | kgoetz | always feels uneasy with failing .sig files |
| 07:53.42 | Rigolo | eckhard: jsut reload ... dns is slow I think .. had same problem here |
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| 07:54.45 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 07:55.30 | ecraven | lol |
| 07:55.39 | pabs3 | raster: btw, is the bug where the /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop doesn't work known? looks like the scripts are not expecting busybox ps |
| 07:56.11 | raster | no idea |
| 07:56.16 | raster | never tried to stop my x |
| 07:56.25 | raster | (well if i want ti dead.. i kill my xserver) |
| 07:56.43 | ecraven | raster: is anyone working on Xglamo? |
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| 07:58.00 | raster | not as such - no |
| 07:58.17 | ecraven | so the chances of the landscape touchscreen offset bug getting fixed are rather small? |
| 07:58.23 | raster | yup |
| 07:58.29 | Bill_ | raster: and xglame is officially dropped? as ASU is running on fb? |
| 07:58.31 | raster | especially as it's not in ASU specs for it to work |
| 07:58.42 | raster | Bill_: no? it runs on x |
| 07:58.48 | raster | and thus xglamo |
| 07:58.49 | ecraven | so we can either use slow-as-hell Xfbdev, or buggy Xglamo? |
| 07:58.56 | Bill_ | yeah.. xfb, not on xglamo |
| 07:58.57 | raster | yup |
| 07:59.08 | raster | xfb is going to be slower |
| 07:59.09 | ecraven | that is .. unfortunate :( |
| 07:59.12 | pabs3 | raster: looks like all the /etc/init.d/functions, /etc/init.d/gpsd and /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm scripts all have that problem |
| 07:59.14 | raster | there is little point to use it |
| 07:59.20 | ecraven | it can do xrandr correctly |
| 07:59.34 | Bill_ | i kinda liked asu but it was unusably slow.. |
| 07:59.44 | raster | pabs3: as such imhol the whole sysv inti thing needs to go and a radical new massively-minimalist boot needs to be dropped in |
| 07:59.58 | raster | ecraven: nothnig stopping it doing randr right - except patchjes |
| 08:00.04 | raster | as its not on the ASU feature list |
| 08:00.09 | raster | i am not going to invest time into it |
| 08:00.11 | railer | well that didn't take long to lock up qtopia |
| 08:00.13 | raster | well not right now |
| 08:01.02 | Rigolo | raster: but does the landscape touchscreen problem not exits on ASU? |
| 08:01.05 | ecraven | raster: can you give me any hints where to look? |
| 08:01.14 | railer | qtopia or asu? |
| 08:01.27 | ecraven | it seems the ASU is only intended to run in portrait mode |
| 08:01.36 | ecraven | i mean in the Xglamo source code |
| 08:01.42 | raster | Rigolo: it does not exist - because rotating to landscape is not in the asu specifications |
| 08:01.46 | raster | there is no way for you to rotate |
| 08:01.49 | raster | other than via cmd-line |
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| 08:02.09 | Rigolo | raster: why not? rotation makes sence .... once in a while at least |
| 08:02.10 | raster | and so its not something to have time sunk into addressing |
| 08:02.16 | raster | dont look at me |
| 08:02.23 | raster | i am not making decisions |
| 08:02.29 | Rigolo | looks at his screen only :-) |
| 08:02.49 | raster | the day asu gets a way to rotate the screen is the day it needs fixing |
| 08:02.52 | Bill_ | Rigolo: while playing openttd for example :) or possibly when navigating with tango |
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| 08:03.43 | ecraven | raster: is there anyone here on irc who knows the Xglamo sources? |
| 08:03.44 | Rigolo | Bill_: openttd on the FR ... reaaaallllyyy small trains then :-) |
| 08:04.05 | Bill_ | yup |
| 08:04.09 | Bill_ | but i lik ethe idea :) |
| 08:04.14 | raster | i know them a bit |
| 08:04.24 | raster | ummm zecke does - a bit |
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| 08:04.29 | raster | a few peole know them.. a bit |
| 08:04.33 | raster | xlgmao is just kdrive |
| 08:04.35 | ecraven | any idea whereabouts in the source code the rotation offset bug might be? |
| 08:04.37 | raster | with glamo accel back-end |
| 08:04.44 | raster | so just knowing kdrive will do the job |
| 08:04.51 | ecraven | i had a look at the xrandr parts, but i've never looked at xserver sources before |
| 08:04.53 | raster | no idea |
| 08:05.00 | raster | but in the input part most likely |
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| 08:05.35 | gego | hi, i have a problem... after updating, using opkg, and then rebooting, the divice vill not start, can i fix this? and how? |
| 08:05.46 | ecraven | reflash your kernel |
| 08:05.53 | railer | anyone using utopia? |
| 08:05.53 | raster | u'll also find xrandr droppign to qvga ius also broken |
| 08:05.59 | raster | the screen mode is all screwed |
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| 08:06.05 | Rigolo | feels that we should put this on the wiki or something :-) |
| 08:06.07 | raster | so it needs more attention than just rotation |
| 08:06.18 | ecraven | raster: i'd be glad if rotation worked for one thing |
| 08:06.19 | raster | but as i said |
| 08:06.22 | raster | our focus in on asu |
| 08:06.26 | raster | and what it needs directly |
| 08:06.32 | ecraven | i understand, that's why i wanted to have a look myself |
| 08:06.35 | raster | and rotation and res changing is not on that list |
| 08:06.50 | railer | you guys all running ASU? |
| 08:06.53 | ecraven | personally i probably don't need a *lower* resolution |
| 08:06.53 | raster | so u mayaswel consider it an "unsupported feature" |
| 08:06.56 | ecraven | railer: i'm on debian |
| 08:06.59 | raster | imagine more like xrandr didnt exist |
| 08:06.59 | raster | :) |
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| 08:07.22 | Bill_ | railer: 2007.2 here |
| 08:07.33 | ecraven | raster: then we'd have to create it, wouldn't we ;) |
| 08:07.45 | raster | yup |
| 08:07.53 | raster | YOU being the operative wor here |
| 08:07.54 | raster | :) |
| 08:08.06 | railer | I'm just getting tired of this thing |
| 08:08.08 | ecraven | hehe, i know C, but i have *no* idea about how x servers work |
| 08:08.23 | ecraven | well, xlib i know, but nothing much else |
| 08:08.27 | Bill_ | i know some... |
| 08:08.30 | raster | last i looked it seems the coord were simply not being rotated |
| 08:08.36 | raster | they were still being used as-is |
| 08:08.37 | raster | i think |
| 08:08.39 | ecraven | yes, that's what it seemed like |
| 08:08.51 | Bill_ | last time tho, i looked and patched something was when radeon chips started emerging in thinkpads |
| 08:08.55 | ecraven | well, i'll have a look, may i ask you again for hints? just tell me if i'm bothering ;) |
| 08:09.04 | raster | sure |
| 08:09.14 | raster | but in the end i'd have to look into the src to help u more |
| 08:09.21 | raster | and then i may as well just find it and fix it |
| 08:09.24 | raster | need to run |
| 08:09.26 | raster | bbl |
| 08:09.41 | Zorkman | also likes landschape |
| 08:10.11 | kgoetz | when asked if i want to replace config files, should my answer be yes or no? or shouldnt it matter? |
| 08:10.39 | Rigolo | kgoetz: depends ... if you have changed them yourself .. better check first |
| 08:11.03 | kgoetz | Rigolo: i've re-imaged, and run upgrade |
| 08:11.09 | lpotter | railer: what were you doing when Qtopia locked up? is it reproducable? |
| 08:11.34 | Rigolo | kgoetz: and what does it want to upgrade? |
| 08:11.53 | kgoetz | /etc/pulse/default.pa |
| 08:12.09 | kgoetz | and if it does the same as last time, another file which i cant remember |
| 08:12.31 | Rigolo | kgoetz: did you do a -test first? |
| 08:12.50 | kgoetz | Rigolo: yes, it only made some commnt aobut ncurses.so being in two packages |
| 08:13.18 | Rigolo | and you fixed that first? (google for it .. there is a fix for it ) |
| 08:13.49 | kgoetz | no i havent. i'm used to my package management system worrying about things like that :\ |
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| 08:14.28 | Rigolo | kgoetz: with the FR you need to worry a bit more ... it was an error .... |
| 08:14.38 | kgoetz | Rigolo: ok. i'll go and worry for a bit |
| 08:15.53 | gego | thanx guys! |
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| 08:22.39 | gego | how is ASU going now? 25% done? |
| 08:23.14 | Agrajag- | i think the official progress meter has 23.8% |
| 08:24.28 | kgoetz | Rigolo: thanks, i've resolved it :) with a little help from the trac |
| 08:24.39 | kgoetz | crosses his fingers, and reboots the device |
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| 08:26.36 | kgoetz | nup. no booties. guess i'll have to fix it when i get home. |
| 08:26.40 | kgoetz | splits. later all |
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| 08:28.59 | torpor | yo |
| 08:30.24 | gego | Upgrading ncurses on root from 5.4-r14 to 5.4-r15... |
| 08:30.24 | gego | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ncurses_5.4-r15_armv4t.ipk |
| 08:30.27 | gego | Collected errors: * Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 But that file is already provided by package * libncurses5 |
| 08:30.45 | gego | is this a problem? |
| 08:30.52 | Rigolo | gego .. search trac. there is a ticket .. and sollotion |
| 08:31.01 | gego | sry.. |
| 08:31.24 | Rigolo | no problem ... just pointing you where you can find the sollution |
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| 08:33.39 | Bubbi | what is the libncurses actually..? |
| 08:34.10 | Rigolo | a library .. for ncurses ... |
| 08:34.31 | Rigolo | ncurses is used for dialogs etc in text mode |
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| 08:35.16 | Rigolo | http://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses/ |
| 08:36.31 | railer | One quick question with a new flash there is a bin and a jffs2 where is the jffs2 for ASM? |
| 08:36.54 | Rigolo | asu you mean .. that is the qtopia jffs2 file |
| 08:37.06 | Bubbi | ah thank you Rigolo :) |
| 08:37.53 | XorA | warning, that is only ASU like, its not the same as the real thing |
| 08:38.11 | Rigolo | XorA: not? |
| 08:38.22 | XorA | no |
| 08:38.35 | railer | so the bin from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080730/ which bin to use for ASU? |
| 08:38.36 | Rigolo | what is different? |
| 08:39.08 | XorA | Rigolo: no splinter in that image, it lags behind the ASU, and is probably buggier becuase its on the unstable branch |
| 08:39.22 | Rigolo | railer: you do not need a bin for the rootfs ... |
| 08:39.24 | XorA | for example at the moment I think it uses the FSO boot splash by accident |
| 08:39.57 | Rigolo | XorA: okee .. so where can you get a "proper" ASU .. that does not lag behind ... only by building your self? |
| 08:40.10 | railer | I'm looking for the bin for the ASU kernel |
| 08:40.48 | Rigolo | railer: kernels are the same .. for both |
| 08:40.48 | XorA | Rigolo: yes |
| 08:41.05 | Rigolo | feels that he needs to make a build enviroment ... |
| 08:41.26 | Rigolo | XorA: and is the current ASU faster than those images on the buildhost? |
| 08:41.43 | XorA | Rigolo: no idea, I just merge the branches every so often |
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| 08:42.15 | Rigolo | XorA: are you charge of the buildhost images then? |
| 08:43.14 | XorA | Rigolo: yes |
| 08:43.29 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rc4e716c6845f 10/packages/linux/ (3 files): [linux-openmoko] fix bad merge that meant uImage didnt end up in kernel-image |
| 08:43.31 | Rigolo | XorA: okee ... |
| 08:44.21 | Rigolo | XorA: so the build host images are semi bleeding edge? so not the same as the latest svn builds? |
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| 08:45.35 | Rigolo | is away for a moment .... be right back ... |
| 08:46.07 | XorA | Rigolo: buildhost is bleeding edge branch, ASU is totally different branch |
| 08:46.12 | railer | you dont flash asu do you? |
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| 08:46.51 | Rigolo | XorA: but is it possible to do daily builds for the latest ASU branch also? |
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| 08:49.35 | Bubbi | A small dumb question.. What is the uImage...? Is it the same as the u-boot..? |
| 08:49.42 | ecraven | uImage is the kernel |
| 08:49.47 | kd8ikt | and initrd |
| 08:49.56 | kd8ikt | uboot=bootloader |
| 08:51.01 | Bubbi | oh, so when doing a opkg upgrade on the neo, it gets the uImage file..? or is that only when you want to flash the neo..? |
| 08:51.20 | XorA | uImage in a zImage wrapped in some u-boot wrapper info |
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| 08:54.03 | Bubbi | XorA: So it's actually a kernel, that can boot without the u-boot, simply because it already contains the booting information..? |
| 08:54.24 | XorA | Bubbi: no |
| 08:54.36 | Bubbi | damn.. ;) just thought I had it figured out.. |
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| 08:54.44 | XorA | Bubbi: its a kernel with extra stuff u-boot want to read |
| 08:56.17 | Bubbi | okay.. :) It makes enough sense, so we'll leave it at that.. I'm still just learning about Linux right now.. :D |
| 08:56.37 | ernst | Hello i need help |
| 08:56.42 | ecraven | Bubbi: the uboot loads the kernel, then passes control to it |
| 08:57.04 | ecraven | then the kernel initializes itself, and loads a bunch of modules from the initrd, then it gives control to /bin/init (or something similar) |
| 08:57.08 | ernst | i have a openmoko logo at begin but he don'nt start the kernel |
| 08:57.26 | ernst | i can flash the fr but he don't start |
| 08:58.25 | Bubbi | ecraven: Thank you :) It's always good to know how things work :) |
| 08:59.54 | ecraven | Bubbi: welcome ;) |
| 09:00.23 | tomboy64 | any1 knows whether webkit supports jpeg2k aka jpeg2000? |
| 09:00.45 | smhar | today is July 20th, 5 days after the annouced date for the availability of FR in webstore, but nothing is on sale yet, there is not even an update to the page for a second deadline... we are left in the dark |
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| 09:01.30 | smhar | and readind here about all the people hacking their units and updating with new images doesn't help make it any easier on me :-) |
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| 09:01.46 | smhar | s/readind/reading |
| 09:02.50 | pabs3 | ernst: you probably upgraded your kernel recently. you'll need to reflash the kernel with an older version (20080727 worked for me) |
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| 09:03.11 | pabs3 | ernst: I used http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080727/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 09:03.22 | dbmoodb | yo ah guys i did the opkg upgrade after getting my new freerunner and its not booting i think -- just has the openmoko splash-- what do i do now ? |
| 09:03.42 | pabs3 | dbmoodb: reflash the kernel with http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080727/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 09:04.06 | pabs3 | wonders if this should be in the topic |
| 09:04.06 | dbmoodb | um... how ? |
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| 09:04.21 | pabs3 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 09:04.26 | dbmoodb | pabs3: it should be on the getting started thing |
| 09:04.48 | dbmoodb | um...... the thing is i don't have ssh or do i ? |
| 09:05.37 | pabs3 | no need for ssh, just the dfu-util, see the wiki |
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| 09:08.26 | dbmoodb | um dude i'm not being presented with the prompt to pick what i want to boot tho... |
| 09:09.00 | pabs3 | re-read the wiki; hold AUX while holding down the power button |
| 09:09.35 | dbmoodb | bah |
| 09:09.59 | railer | bah? |
| 09:10.35 | methril | morning |
| 09:11.30 | railer | Linux - If it doesn't make your eyes bleed, would it really be Linux? |
| 09:13.13 | dbmoodb | that should be bolded rofl:) |
| 09:13.17 | dbmoodb | idiot proof |
| 09:13.21 | Zorkman | lol @ all the fighting on the mailinglist |
| 09:13.23 | Bubbi | pabs3: It's not very clearly stated on the wiki, for people not used to Linux. I'm one of them too, and I can say that it's not easy following the wiki, as it doesn't really explained everything :) |
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| 09:13.46 | Bubbi | Zorkman: What, where..? :) link please.. :P |
| 09:13.51 | dbmoodb | is that all i need to do --- update that ? |
| 09:13.57 | Zorkman | communitylist |
| 09:14.06 | Zorkman | jay vaugnan vs openmoko |
| 09:14.20 | Zorkman | Marcus Bauer vs openmoko/sean |
| 09:14.40 | dbmoodb | the phone is beutiful tho :) |
| 09:14.55 | Zorkman | doesn't seem a good sign though, they are really spending much effort on the freerunner |
| 09:15.07 | Bubbi | yeah, jay vaugnan really have a lot of "hate" towards openmoko :D |
| 09:15.30 | Zorkman | I like the phone too, but it's becomming more and more ugly (still waiting for my screenprotector :)) the shipped stuff looks like it had a couple fo rough nights |
| 09:16.13 | Bubbi | what are you using as screen protector..? |
| 09:16.18 | Zorkman | Bubbi: it's not that simple, he wants the freerunner to succeed, and he is probably 100000 as usefull to the commnity than you and me together :) |
| 09:16.42 | Zorkman | same with marcus bauer, he made Tango GPS |
| 09:16.45 | Bubbi | He probably is.. :) won't argue about that .. :) |
| 09:16.50 | dbmoodb | oi guys how do you put the batteries back in the stylus ? |
| 09:17.05 | dbmoodb | like i unscrewed it to take a look and now... i can't get them back in i think one is stuck |
| 09:17.14 | Zorkman | haven't tried, i guess the same way you took them out but do everything in reverse? |
| 09:17.26 | pabs3 | flat side up is how mine are |
| 09:17.39 | Zorkman | shaking it like shakira's ass might help? |
| 09:17.59 | dbmoodb | yeah i know which side but one is stuck at the bottom and the one above it isn't moving so i can't do that so easily ? |
| 09:18.04 | dbmoodb | Zorkman: tried |
| 09:18.33 | pabs3 | try nudging it with a needle or long pin or some wire or something |
| 09:19.00 | Bubbi | dbmoodb: as pabs3 say.. use a long pin of some sort.. |
| 09:19.12 | Bubbi | dbmoodb: It worked for me :) |
| 09:19.30 | Bubbi | Why do we always have to take everything apart..? :D |
| 09:19.44 | pabs3 | anyone know how to customise the u-boot logo? |
| 09:20.02 | Zorkman | good question |
| 09:20.18 | Zorkman | this would make the phone more "mine" :) |
| 09:20.18 | railer | usr/share/pixelmap |
| 09:20.43 | XorA | pabs3: the logo is flashed into one of the partitions |
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| 09:20.55 | railer | the png is in there rename the orig and add your own, I think thats how I did it |
| 09:20.58 | XorA | pabs3: if you check out the devirginate script it will show you how to generare one |
| 09:21.05 | pabs3 | cool |
| 09:22.17 | pabs3 | bbl |
| 09:23.22 | torpor | Zorkman: jay vaughan <3's OpenMoko. |
| 09:23.30 | torpor | i have no hate |
| 09:25.34 | Zorkman | torpor, i know that |
| 09:25.45 | Zorkman | sorry if I gave the wrong impression |
| 09:25.54 | Zorkman | the impression that there are frictions are right though :) |
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| 09:26.50 | Zorkman | in the end we all just want this thing to succeed (the faster the better) |
| 09:26.57 | torpor | hell yeah |
| 09:26.59 | torpor | thats my point too |
| 09:27.09 | torpor | we can't just be all proud of the little piece of crap. yet. |
| 09:27.27 | torpor | i think openmoko has reached that 'full of itself' stage and needs a bit of a shove to remember that its not done yet. |
| 09:27.44 | torpor | certainly its good to bitchslap that CEO!!! ;) |
| 09:27.54 | torpor | "museum" indeed. |
| 09:27.54 | Zorkman | ^_^ |
| 09:28.18 | Zorkman | he's no native english speaker... probably mean art gallery like an employee pointed out :) |
| 09:28.20 | railer | ya not "quite" done yet! Ya that's the ticket! |
| 09:28.25 | torpor | if the openmoko freerunner is a "museum", then iphone is a busted videobooth with hookers holding the doors open, tissues at hand. |
| 09:29.53 | Zorkman | grrr , got some moving to do, moving out of my place; anyone like moving boxes? :P |
| 09:30.25 | Zorkman | I was waiting till the FreeRunner could do that, but now it seems there still some glitches before that will work :) |
| 09:30.53 | Zorkman | (that's no English Zorkman :)) |
| 09:32.04 | XorA | what are you guys on about? |
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| 09:32.56 | railer | A museum where it was told there would be many exhibits each tailored for the individual user, then you buy the ticket only to find 4 or 5 contractors all building different buildings and the only things up are the doors and they squeek |
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| 09:37.58 | Stroller | lol |
| 09:38.39 | dbmoodb | um guys who many batteries are there in the stylus in total ? 7 ? |
| 09:39.00 | dbmoodb | 4 ? |
| 09:39.08 | SpeedEvil | 4 |
| 09:39.08 | XorA | some |
| 09:39.15 | railer | no idea, my 3 year old stole mine |
| 09:39.20 | mjr | torpor, yeah well, personally, I _do_ find you much more productive than Bauer (on the list, not dissing his work :) |
| 09:39.22 | kd8ikt | 4 |
| 09:39.30 | SpeedEvil | railer: they are cheap on ebay |
| 09:40.04 | railer | with laser pointers and flashlight built in? |
| 09:40.22 | kd8ikt | hey speedevil can you fix/finish my new bashscript |
| 09:40.41 | kd8ikt | for the life of me i cant make it demonize and clean up after itself |
| 09:41.01 | torpor | mjr: i am an avid believer in the 'blow off the steam in a controlled manner so that anarchists don't do it for you" mode of thought. |
| 09:41.04 | kd8ikt | or anyone for that matter |
| 09:41.05 | torpor | ;) |
| 09:41.19 | dbmoodb | ah and guys the tab key -- how does one get one of those on the normal keyboard -- do i just put in "tab" ? |
| 09:41.19 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Kd8ikt#demon_daemon |
| 09:41.24 | torpor | while it may seem like i'm flaming, its true, i'm flaming. now its all blown over and there will be less stress about the issue. |
| 09:41.47 | Stroller | kd8ikt: cute |
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| 09:42.26 | torpor | mjr: and yeah, marcus is a bit pissed about things. i see where he's coming from, especially in light of the fluffy CEO message (which just .. meh .. didn't work) |
| 09:42.27 | kd8ikt | its fun when the start function is run |
| 09:42.39 | kd8ikt | maybe someday it could be part of a ringer |
| 09:42.59 | raster | torpor: hahahah |
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| 09:43.38 | torpor | raster: shush you! its all your fault, you and your "design team" |
| 09:44.15 | kd8ikt | well anyway if anyones board and like to play with bash scripts hit it up i could use help on this lil project |
| 09:44.20 | kd8ikt | bored |
| 09:45.17 | Zorkman | you want me to look at it kd8ikt? :D |
| 09:45.36 | kd8ikt | i was kinda thinking of initscrip type functionality like script start script stop |
| 09:46.12 | kd8ikt | well its on my wiki page if you want to hit it up |
| 09:46.17 | Stroller | kd8ikt: I think you need to put a wrapper round it and use kill / NOHUP type functionality |
| 09:46.30 | kd8ikt | traps? |
| 09:46.41 | kd8ikt | cant grasp how to use traps |
| 09:46.55 | XorA | wonders if anyone fancies making a OM firefox theme |
| 09:47.26 | lpotter | how about a firefox openmoko theme? |
| 09:48.10 | Stroller | kd8ikt: I've never done that sort of thing in Bash myself. But I like the code - it seems to me very clean indeed. Was it you who was previously doing a wifi connection script? |
| 09:48.27 | kd8ikt | yeah but it blew chunks |
| 09:48.36 | XorA | firefox is actually running OK speed wise, just needs a theme where buttons/dialogs fit the screen |
| 09:48.44 | Zorkman | does anyone know if anyone is working on support for non-open mapes? (tomtom, garmin...) I'm contributing to OSM but it just isn't enough at the moment when i need to get somewhere |
| 09:49.09 | kd8ikt | i guess i couls seperate this script into two files one that runs & and one that kills it and resets the lights to 0 |
| 09:49.13 | Zorkman | mapes !=apes but =maps |
| 09:49.14 | Stroller | kd8ikt: well, ISTM your code has improved a LOT and quickly. |
| 09:49.48 | kd8ikt | i havent been drinking all night |
| 09:49.54 | kd8ikt | maybe thats why |
| 09:50.30 | torpor | wtf?!? 1000 phones is not a good order? |
| 09:51.29 | Zorkman | there was a misunderstanding i think |
| 09:51.35 | torpor | question: is sean moss-pultz some sorta steve carell fan? |
| 09:51.40 | Zorkman | i think sean thought he was saying "sell 1000 phones in total" |
| 09:52.09 | torpor | i was saying "i could sell 1,000 phones for you at my company and deploy them if only you would address your PR position a bit better" |
| 09:52.20 | torpor | wonders what qualifications you need to be a CEO these days. |
| 09:52.33 | Zorkman | I know what you were saying, but i think sean did not |
| 09:52.44 | Zorkman | might be wrong, he usually is :) |
| 09:53.11 | torpor | i really need to watch it with him, because i think he is *dangerous* to my openmoko projects now. |
| 09:53.21 | Zorkman | thinks we should hold a boxing match to get rid of all the emotions :) |
| 09:53.48 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r0bf62ca202e4 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Added test for opreferencesd |
| 09:53.48 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r74d03eda8cc2 10/ (30 files in 13 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git@git.freesmartphone.org/framework |
| 09:53.57 | raster | torpor: my design team? :) |
| 09:53.58 | Zorkman | don't exaggerate torpor |
| 09:54.44 | Zorkman | I was going to say "I think you're on our side Raster" but that's a bad sign... |
| 09:54.56 | raster | i'd like to think i am... |
| 09:55.03 | raster | i don't hange about like a bad smell here for nothing! |
| 09:55.04 | raster | :) |
| 09:55.16 | mjr | torpor, well _now_ you were being somewhat trollish :] |
| 09:55.20 | Zorkman | read Sander van Grieken's mail, my comment would also imply the community is fragmenting |
| 09:55.27 | raster | as i'cve said before |
| 09:55.33 | raster | if i disagree with user requests |
| 09:55.39 | raster | i will argue my case |
| 09:55.46 | raster | and try and convince you that i am right |
| 09:55.48 | raster | and you are not |
| 09:55.50 | raster | in the process |
| 09:55.58 | raster | i may end up being convinced i'm wrong |
| 09:55.59 | Zorkman | yeah i remember the whole VGAstuff, it was lengthy but showed you cared |
| 09:56.05 | raster | chances mostly are that eithe ri'm right.. |
| 09:56.12 | raster | or its another "6 or half dozen" thing |
| 09:56.13 | raster | ie |
| 09:56.17 | raster | make it a damn config option |
| 09:56.22 | raster | and ... i love config options |
| 09:56.32 | XorA | raster: I was waiting for you to say, "chances are that Im right, or your wrong" |
| 09:56.41 | raster | XorA: hahahahah |
| 09:56.54 | Zorkman | XorA wasn't the only one : |
| 09:56.57 | Zorkman | *:) |
| 09:57.00 | raster | Zorkman: and yes. the vga thng was a hypothetical with some actual reality behind it |
| 09:57.22 | raster | Zorkman: and i really didnt think peopel care that much about vga.. especially on suhc a small screen |
| 09:57.26 | raster | but i guess you do |
| 09:57.28 | raster | :) |
| 09:57.39 | dbmoodb_ | um --- raster --- its called wifi / usb /blah and then you use vnc |
| 09:57.41 | Zorkman | can I ask you about your personal opinion about the whole ASU/FSO/2007.2/SHR thing or do you rather not talk about that? |
| 09:57.47 | Zorkman | I'm trying to form an opinion |
| 09:57.58 | zedstar | re: your 1000 order torpor.... i sent both michael and steve emails about potential for using openmoko on a university course i was thinking of designing....got no response from either |
| 09:58.06 | raster | dbmoodb_: ??? |
| 09:58.25 | raster | Zorkman: ok. |
| 09:58.32 | Zorkman | raster: i had no opinion because of lack of experience, only thing i can say is that is does look good :) |
| 09:58.33 | raster | as it stabnds ASU was meant to replace 2007.2 |
| 09:58.43 | raster | so i consider ASU just the prodgeny |
| 09:58.46 | raster | a far-flung one |
| 09:58.53 | raster | but a later version anyway |
| 09:58.59 | Zorkman | i'm with you |
| 09:59.01 | mjr | thinks bauer has a point about 2007.2 gsm api and eds but it's hidden behind hyperbole, attributing nefarious motives behind fso and stuff like that |
| 09:59.05 | raster | FSO and SHR are new |
| 09:59.21 | raster | and i do not entirely thnk they should be needed |
| 09:59.29 | raster | i think ASU and FSO will merge |
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| 09:59.38 | raster | at least i have personal plans to do my own fork of ASU |
| 09:59.46 | raster | as frankly.. i can't use it |
| 09:59.48 | Zorkman | and do you think it is a good thing that resources are diverted to FSO? |
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| 09:59.59 | raster | and on that - i was planning on sucking in bits of FSO |
| 10:00.00 | mjr | fso is certainly needed in contrast to asu, since the asu gsm stuff is just too qtopia-married |
| 10:00.01 | zedstar | ignoring potential business opportunities or not responding seems somewhat unprofessional |
| 10:00.02 | raster | bit by bit |
| 10:00.09 | zedstar | looks at beagleboard |
| 10:00.30 | raster | but i am personally not pipeing hot about having an all-python ui. |
| 10:00.41 | raster | i'm not a python fan - and workign with it hasn't changed my mind :/ |
| 10:00.44 | Stroller | raster: if I win the lottery this weekend, I will employ you for two years to do your own fork of ASU |
| 10:00.56 | raster | i do not intend to deny peolpe their python |
| 10:01.06 | raster | i just dont want my wm, desktop, panel stuff etc. et.c in python |
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| 10:01.14 | raster | i want my core desktop fast lean, mean and in c |
| 10:01.14 | raster | :) |
| 10:01.18 | raster | but thats me |
| 10:01.21 | Zorkman | python is slower? |
| 10:01.22 | alphaone | raster: Well, the UI on fso is just proof-of-framework anyway |
| 10:01.22 | dbmoodb_ | raster: anyone going to port the gui and things to debian ? |
| 10:01.29 | Stroller | I like Sean. His "design" post was very blue sky, but he's been very polite over private email. |
| 10:01.39 | mjr | does agree that the basic phone functions should probably be in lean, mean, c |
| 10:01.39 | dbmoodb_ | like --- i would like some apt-get / debian repos / apt-build for my phone |
| 10:01.50 | lindi- | mjr: ada for the win! |
| 10:01.54 | raster | alphaone: i know :) |
| 10:01.55 | Stroller | (Steve was nastily sarcastic in a private mail) |
| 10:02.02 | mjr | wants his python, but not for that stuff, my own stuff |
| 10:02.03 | raster | alphaone: but sean wants everything in python |
| 10:02.10 | raster | alphaone: every last pixel must be python-controlled |
| 10:02.14 | Zorkman | raster: why? |
| 10:02.24 | alphaone | raster: Oh, now there's news |
| 10:02.25 | raster | and frankly ... i can't live with that |
| 10:02.28 | Zorkman | i'm new too all this, but is there an upside for using all python? |
| 10:02.28 | lindi- | raster: you mean controllable? |
| 10:02.30 | zedstar | also agrees should be in C |
| 10:02.37 | alphaone | raster: I better not say anything more in public then |
| 10:02.41 | zogs | opkg install gcc ...done and now where I can find gcc? |
| 10:02.51 | alphaone | Since I understand so little about selling phones |
| 10:02.52 | raster | alphaone: quote... |
| 10:02.56 | raster | (from sean) |
| 10:02.58 | raster | Technically Python will be on top, the primary method of development. |
| 10:02.58 | raster | controlling E, edje, d-bus, peripherals, settings, etc... The whole |
| 10:02.58 | raster | screen, every last pixel, must be as easy to program as an interactive, |
| 10:02.58 | raster | Web 2.0 site. |
| 10:03.01 | raster | --- |
| 10:03.16 | raster | so basically i am being asked to back his designs and ideas... |
| 10:03.18 | raster | or quit |
| 10:03.23 | Zorkman | will this make the phone's slower? |
| 10:03.27 | alphaone | :-/ |
| 10:03.45 | alphaone | raster: It could get worse. |
| 10:03.51 | raster | unless he clarifies this... which in usual sean style is not clear... |
| 10:03.56 | Bubbi | Zorkman: Well.. it's easy to edit for more people.. and you can edit it on the fly.. while C programs are much faster, as they don't have to be interpreted (enterpreted?) before they are run |
| 10:03.56 | raster | i may be tempted to quit. |
| 10:04.03 | alphaone | raster: Many companies are now leaning towards having UI in flash |
| 10:04.04 | alphaone | !! |
| 10:04.06 | raster | as i'm not goign to become a pythonn programmer |
| 10:04.11 | Zorkman | is Sean technically skilled? I mean no offence, but does he have programming skills/knowledge? |
| 10:04.12 | alphaone | I think that's crazy |
| 10:04.19 | mjr | raster, yeah I don't think that necessarily means "all in python", probably a clarification is in order |
| 10:04.27 | Stroller | If it's not a rude question, raster - can you afford to quit? |
| 10:04.34 | zedstar | what's next the kernel in Python ;) |
| 10:04.37 | Rigolo | likes the last statement ... The whole screen, every last pixel, must be as easy to program as an interactive, Web 2.0 site. |
| 10:04.48 | Rigolo | but that does not mean it should be done in python |
| 10:04.59 | charlie137 | hello all |
| 10:05.05 | Zorkman | llo charlie137 |
| 10:05.06 | raster | mjr: in usual sean style.. it's not clear |
| 10:05.17 | charlie137 | personally, I agree with the "all in python" way |
| 10:05.17 | raster | Stroller: yes. i can. |
| 10:05.45 | Zorkman | why charlie137? f i may ask |
| 10:05.48 | charlie137 | python is the only good high level language |
| 10:05.51 | charlie137 | C is very good |
| 10:06.00 | charlie137 | but too low level for writing applications |
| 10:06.06 | Stroller | You can program every pixel in MS paint! It has certain limitations over functionality, then. |
| 10:06.08 | Zorkman | but isn't speed a primary requirement for a phone? |
| 10:06.14 | raster | charlie137: i personalyl disagree. |
| 10:06.21 | Stroller | raster: from your messages I'm surprised you've stayed so long |
| 10:06.23 | raster | charlie137: i've been writign applications in c for a long time |
| 10:06.23 | raster | :) |
| 10:06.33 | charlie137 | Zorkman: yes, but that is why you can call C form python |
| 10:06.34 | raster | but as i keep saying |
| 10:06.37 | raster | its a personal thnig |
| 10:06.47 | raster | and there are a lot of people like me who just dont like python |
| 10:06.48 | Stroller | <3s C |
| 10:06.50 | raster | for whatever reasons |
| 10:06.56 | raster | its a personal decision |
| 10:07.03 | charlie137 | raster: I agree, you can do everything in C, but it won't be as easy as with python |
| 10:07.04 | raster | like not liking chocolate |
| 10:07.06 | raster | and wanting vanilla |
| 10:07.10 | Zorkman | well problem solved, use one little python app to call your c-programs raster, and then it is still python that made the initial descision :) |
| 10:07.12 | zogs | I can change hostname without problem on upgrade or other ? |
| 10:07.14 | raster | ch but it'll be faster |
| 10:07.17 | Zorkman | is over simplifieing it :) |
| 10:07.21 | charlie137 | for example if you want to do obkect oriented stuff in C, it is not simple |
| 10:07.22 | raster | charlie137: and leaner and smaller |
| 10:07.23 | raster | :) |
| 10:07.36 | dbmoodb_ | c++ ? |
| 10:07.37 | raster | a few function pointers |
| 10:07.38 | Rakshasa | My personal favourite would be c with lua hooks for scripting. |
| 10:07.48 | raster | structs... structs in structs.. oo is not too hard |
| 10:07.55 | charlie137 | I which there is a good compiled language for OO, but currently there isn't (to my opinion) |
| 10:08.04 | Rigolo | zogs: I do not see why it would create problems ... changing host names |
| 10:08.09 | zedstar | My personal choice is C and i embed Scheme if i want fancy data structures etc |
| 10:08.10 | raster | Rakshasa: my plans for edje - the theme/.gfx layoput abstraction in efl is to possibly add lua |
| 10:08.10 | Stroller | Thank you raster - I am not alone. |
| 10:08.12 | Zorkman | looks up what oo is :) |
| 10:08.15 | raster | lua seems perfectly suited |
| 10:08.17 | leinirAWAY | charlie137: i take it you're worked with Qt to be able to say that? :) |
| 10:08.24 | zedstar | lua is cool too |
| 10:08.24 | zogs | ok Rigolo |
| 10:08.29 | Rakshasa | raster, \o/ hooray |
| 10:08.30 | charlie137 | leinirAWAY: indeed ! |
| 10:08.40 | raster | lua is in top spot right now |
| 10:08.47 | raster | javascript and ferite are contenders |
| 10:08.47 | Bubbi | Zorkman: Object Oriented i believe.. as in Object Oriented Programming.. |
| 10:08.52 | charlie137 | D is a great language, i hope it will take on |
| 10:08.54 | Zorkman | ah, that i know :) |
| 10:08.59 | zedstar | python doesnt exactly do well in the great language shootout rankings |
| 10:09.01 | charlie137 | but i don't want to use C++ ever :) |
| 10:09.03 | leinirAWAY | charlie137: Oh well, no accounting for taste, i guess ;) |
| 10:09.21 | charlie137 | zedstar: yes python is very slow, that is why you write the low level stuffs in C |
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| 10:09.32 | zogs | change om-gta02 to cofe |
| 10:09.50 | Rigolo | charlie137: so there should be a libopenmoko in C .. that you can call from python to do stuff? |
| 10:10.02 | charlie137 | Rigolo: yes |
| 10:10.06 | charlie137 | that is already the case |
| 10:10.15 | charlie137 | everybody here is using python-etk |
| 10:10.37 | Rigolo | charlie137: so now the questions then becomes .. how "large" should that lib be? how detailed? |
| 10:10.39 | zedstar | the question is will people write low level stuff in C or try and do it in Python still! |
| 10:10.53 | zedstar | like Java programmers trying to solve the world in one language |
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| 10:11.11 | Rigolo | sees a world wheresome people write things in python .. and then other port it to C |
| 10:11.19 | charlie137 | the truth is, you can do many things fast in python if you know how to structure your code |
| 10:11.52 | charlie137 | I wrote a software to visualize the stars in python, could deal with more than one million stars at the same time, plus bitmap superosed |
| 10:12.01 | zedstar | python really sux IMO compared to functional languages but i aint gonna preach about that |
| 10:12.11 | charlie137 | of course I had to use C for the low level parts |
| 10:12.27 | Zorkman | charlie137: you wrote Orrery? |
| 10:12.29 | dbmoodb_ | how does one check the battery? |
| 10:12.51 | charlie137 | Zorkman: no it was just a proof of concept for stellarium |
| 10:12.52 | Rigolo | dbmoodb_: open the case and see it it still there? |
| 10:12.53 | Zorkman | dbmoodb_: apm |
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| 10:13.02 | dbmoodb_ | apm ? |
| 10:13.07 | Zorkman | type apm in the terminal |
| 10:13.14 | dbmoodb_ | ok |
| 10:13.16 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r74d32327936a 10/packages/linux/ (3 files): [linux-openmoko] stop the lack of /boot/uImage breaking devices |
| 10:13.17 | Zorkman | (on the freerunner or ssh'd in to the freerunner) |
| 10:13.22 | dbmoodb_ | nar just supprised |
| 10:13.30 | dbmoodb_ | --- expected acpi |
| 10:13.54 | Zorkman | did't know about acpi so he couldn't be surprised the first time :) |
| 10:13.54 | Rigolo | XorA: is that latest commit going to solve all these opkg upgrade problems we have been seeing the last days? |
| 10:14.05 | Dave | goedmorgen |
| 10:14.12 | Dave | iedereen |
| 10:14.16 | Zorkman | :) |
| 10:14.18 | Dave | ^_^ |
| 10:14.22 | Rigolo | hoi dave .. ook een goede morgen .. english please :-) |
| 10:14.23 | Zorkman | goeiemiddag dave :p |
| 10:14.31 | Dave | :D |
| 10:14.47 | Zorkman | didn't know dave was dutch |
| 10:14.57 | zogs | where is the path for sound's file? |
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| 10:15.22 | kd8ikt | /usr/share/openmoko/sounds? |
| 10:15.34 | XorA | Rigolo: were you upgrading kernel and blowing up device? |
| 10:15.38 | kd8ikt | what sound? what image? |
| 10:16.10 | Rigolo | XorA: not any more .. but lost of people came and went .. after opkg upgrade broke their FR |
| 10:16.19 | XorA | Rigolo: yeah, that should fix it |
| 10:16.52 | Rigolo | XorA: what package should I upgrade then? |
| 10:16.54 | Zorkman | you're an american Dave, no? |
| 10:17.02 | kd8ikt | i feel bad for the people that blindly reflashed their rootfs |
| 10:17.16 | kd8ikt | when it was just a kernel hicup |
| 10:17.30 | Dave | Ik ben een overloper :p |
| 10:17.33 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: well .... we know that now ... |
| 10:17.48 | Dave | kd8ikt, why? |
| 10:17.51 | kd8ikt | got a detailed boot explaination going through NAND uboot and selecting the "boot" option |
| 10:17.53 | anasazi | hiho |
| 10:17.55 | kd8ikt | **more then one graph and orbubble |
| 10:18.03 | kd8ikt | whoopz acidental paste |
| 10:18.04 | Zorkman | it did that opkg upgrade, and afterwards i reflashed to a 0722 kernel and it still didn't work |
| 10:18.24 | Dave | wat? |
| 10:18.26 | kd8ikt | well that sucks |
| 10:18.32 | Rigolo | Zorkman: that was because your modules were already on git25 ... |
| 10:18.45 | Rigolo | 0722 was git23 |
| 10:18.46 | Zorkman | yeah , i'm not complaining, we all nog the risk |
| 10:19.15 | Zorkman | anyway, as I said and has been posted on the mailinlists it would be usefull to be able to nuke an upgrade faster |
| 10:19.35 | Zorkman | if ten people know it breaks, lets not get a few hundred peoples freerunner break |
| 10:20.22 | kd8ikt | it wouldnt suprise me if it was a dev doing it on purpose |
| 10:20.22 | Zorkman | damn, need to start moving; waisting too much time |
| 10:20.29 | Zorkman | if anyone needs me: I'm useless :p |
| 10:20.39 | kd8ikt | just to sit back and laugh at everyone in here |
| 10:21.16 | kd8ikt | like when that asshole weaving in and out of lanes in a traffic jam wants to get ahead of me i wont let him through |
| 10:21.33 | Zorkman | I mostly laugh at myself, there is sadly no one who know less about linux then me.. :) |
| 10:21.34 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: is that you ... :-) |
| 10:22.03 | kd8ikt | or the guy that tries to use the shoulder and i block him |
| 10:22.42 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: and then that anoying blue light turns on on that car |
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| 10:23.41 | kd8ikt | shoulder is only for emergency and public saftey not some dickwad without patience to go buy a bag of pot |
| 10:24.45 | kd8ikt | i could go on for hours about transportation hate so i'll just stop now |
| 10:26.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4204533ad4f5 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [splinter] Bump up the reversion of splinter to 505 |
| 10:26.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra5ccbcbe05ae 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [diversity] Bump up the reversion of diversity-daemon to 483 |
| 10:26.38 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4be601953324 10/packages/packagekit/ (files/remove_search_memory_leak.patch packagekit_git.bb): [packagekit] Add a patch for packagekit |
| 10:26.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r476e7ea6bc96 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion of opkg to 4562 |
| 10:28.02 | anasazi | can anyone tell me how a valid running dbus looks like in ps axu | grep dbus in 2007.2? |
| 10:30.35 | ecraven | very cool, my right click emulation works! |
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| 10:31.05 | ecraven | not well though ;) the left click still gets through |
| 10:33.44 | Rigolo | ecraven: I still feel you should have used power and aux as mouse buttons :-) |
| 10:33.56 | ecraven | Rigolo: i'll do that next ;) |
| 10:34.06 | ecraven | short aux is right mouse, long aux is f5 |
| 10:34.09 | Zorkman | congrats ecraven! |
| 10:34.28 | Rigolo | ecraven: no ... use power for right .. it is on the right side |
| 10:34.48 | Rigolo | and then long power .. can be ctrl-alt-del :-) |
| 10:34.59 | Rigolo | that should be easy I think |
| 10:35.18 | ecraven | well, the system menu that 2007.2 has is not a bad idea for power |
| 10:35.22 | Zorkman | rigolo: i think ecraven uses it in landscape, so there is no button on the right side |
| 10:35.44 | Rigolo | Zorkman: well .. then he should not complain :-) |
| 10:36.09 | ecraven | not only landscape, i use both modes |
| 10:37.12 | Rigolo | is going to help some little boy with reinstalling his win xp pc :-) |
| 10:37.58 | Rigolo | 3 time this week he managed to "break" it ... I'm glade those PC's are on an other net then mine :-) |
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| 10:43.10 | ecraven | does anyone know how the small rotating icon is displayed when an application is launched? |
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| 10:43.22 | yoyo__ | hi |
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| 10:50.06 | Bubbi | ecraven: I guess you have to take that as a no.. :( |
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| 10:53.13 | Bubbi | when looking here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080730/?C=M;O=A What is the "modules-2.6.24..." ? |
| 10:55.36 | Dave | :o |
| 10:55.41 | Dave | It's all the modules! |
| 10:55.55 | Dave | ecraven! |
| 10:56.05 | Dave | Can you change that, too? I think it's rather stupid :P |
| 10:57.22 | Dave | oh, and someone fix this goddamn cursor bug in gtk |
| 10:57.35 | Bubbi | Dave: Yeah, I guessed that it was all the modules.. but what are all the modules.. :) Is it something that you need to flash to the neo, or does that happen automatically with the opkg upgrade command as well..? |
| 10:57.50 | Dave | You don't *need* it. |
| 10:58.18 | Dave | Typically the flash will install all the necessary root modules, it's only for developers or persons with "special needs." :P |
| 10:58.59 | ecraven | Dave: change what? |
| 10:59.02 | Bubbi | Okay.. :) I was just wondering, since I hadn't seen any guides on the "getting started" pages.. but if it's for developers, I guess it won't be on the "getting started" pages.. :D |
| 10:59.06 | ecraven | Dave: what cursor bug? |
| 10:59.08 | Rigolo | ecraven: is that not part of the matchbox-panel applets ... ? |
| 10:59.24 | ecraven | Rigolo: i have no idea ;) i'm interested in how do find out when an application starts, and when it is finished starting.. |
| 10:59.34 | Dave | ecraven, change that goddamned hourglass equivalent |
| 10:59.36 | Dave | the rotating eyeball |
| 10:59.51 | ecraven | hehe, you don't like it? |
| 11:00.00 | Dave | and that fucking cursor bug which suddenly and randomly enables the CURSOR (mode) in the GTK image, and subsequently locks down your phone. |
| 11:00.06 | Bubbi | Dave: ecraven made it himself.. ;) |
| 11:00.11 | ecraven | never seen that |
| 11:00.20 | Dave | Apparently you can restartx, but clearly ssh seems to be the only available method to do that. |
| 11:00.22 | Rigolo | ecraven: in /etc/matchbox/session there is something that says startup ... i suspect it might be that ... |
| 11:00.43 | Dave | I'm fairly certain a few other users have experienced this. |
| 11:00.52 | Dave | I mean, hell, a couple people in my lab have experienced this as well :P |
| 11:00.54 | Bubbi | I have had the cursor bug as well.. just when I started the matchbox keyboard it activated.. |
| 11:01.00 | Dave | yeah! |
| 11:01.13 | Dave | it's not specific to matchbox keyboard though |
| 11:01.17 | Dave | I can tell you that. |
| 11:01.21 | Bubbi | So it might be some part of the matchbox keyboard as Rigolo says |
| 11:01.27 | Bubbi | oh okay.. :) |
| 11:01.33 | Dave | though I do believe it's specific to starting an app, or switching app on a keyboard |
| 11:01.40 | Dave | but oh if this gives you more of a clue |
| 11:01.48 | Dave | I get this strange error after the cursor bug on gtk |
| 11:01.49 | Rigolo | no, that rotating thing is already there before the matchbox keyboard ... |
| 11:02.13 | Dave | Error saving screenshot: Value for PNG text chunk CREATOR cannot be converted to ISO-8859-1 encoding. |
| 11:02.17 | Dave | o_O |
| 11:02.20 | ecraven | who is "andy" in trac? |
| 11:02.36 | Dave | Awesome andy? |
| 11:02.40 | Bubbi | Rigolo: Yeah, but we're refering to the cursor :) the "eyeball" thing is just the loading icon.. |
| 11:02.55 | Dave | bubbi, right, right. |
| 11:03.13 | Dave | Please do not confuse our comments with our desperate pleas for fixes! |
| 11:03.16 | Rigolo | has no cursor ... as far as I can tell at least (must be really small then) |
| 11:03.42 | Dave | OT |
| 11:03.49 | Dave | It's small, but not enabled by default. |
| 11:03.56 | Dave | Some people have turned it on because they "Like it" |
| 11:04.02 | Dave | though that is unrelated to this cursor bug. |
| 11:04.07 | Bubbi | Rigolo: It's a cursor that occationally appears.. It's not meant to be there but sometimes it just happens |
| 11:04.17 | Rigolo | never saw it ... |
| 11:04.26 | Dave | bubbi, yeah but it seems to subsequently lock down your phone |
| 11:04.31 | Dave | e.g. you can't switch apps |
| 11:04.34 | ecraven | i have a cursor on urxvt, for example |
| 11:04.35 | Dave | or start new ones |
| 11:04.38 | ecraven | but it does no harm |
| 11:04.43 | Dave | let alone possibly quit the app you're currently in |
| 11:05.02 | Bubbi | I can understand that they activate it, if they get the entire neo "screen" on the desktop.. |
| 11:05.19 | Dave | o.O |
| 11:05.27 | Dave | Anyhow, has this been submitted yet? |
| 11:05.32 | Dave | if not, SKFJSLD:FSF |
| 11:06.51 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse, how will I ever resume my precious net game now :( |
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| 11:09.35 | Dave | oh, and ecraven |
| 11:09.41 | Dave | fix my screenshot error |
| 11:09.54 | Dave | I suspect it's related to the cursor bug. |
| 11:10.24 | kd8ikt | anyone get a good /etc/pintercal for lanscape mode? |
| 11:10.37 | Dave | heh |
| 11:10.39 | Dave | pintercal |
| 11:11.00 | kd8ikt | hey i told you last night how to fix the screenshor ISO error |
| 11:11.19 | kd8ikt | ln -s libc.so.6 /lib/libc.so |
| 11:12.09 | ecraven | kd8ikt: with Xfbdev, it works perfectly for me |
| 11:12.14 | ecraven | with Xglamo, i think it can't be fixed |
| 11:12.24 | Dave | kd8ikt: oh, did you? |
| 11:12.33 | Dave | Sorry kd8, I must have dozed off :) |
| 11:12.41 | kd8ikt | you must of left as soon as you complained about it |
| 11:12.53 | kd8ikt | try it now it should work |
| 11:12.56 | Dave | haha |
| 11:13.44 | kd8ikt | ecraven: ... what do i do woth Xfbdev? |
| 11:13.45 | Dave | kd8ikt, would it require a restart? |
| 11:13.50 | kd8ikt | no |
| 11:13.54 | Dave | yeah, alright |
| 11:14.08 | Dave | cool, now find a solution to that dreaded cursor bug :D |
| 11:14.44 | ecraven | kd8ikt: you use it instead of Xglamo ;) |
| 11:15.02 | ecraven | not sure how to do that on 2007.2.. probably make X a link to Xfbdev |
| 11:15.02 | Dave | BLAMO |
| 11:15.06 | kd8ikt | says its running |
| 11:15.21 | ecraven | yes, you have to stop the server, then change it, then start X again |
| 11:15.22 | kd8ikt | <-- FSO |
| 11:15.43 | ecraven | i'm not sure how to do it on FSO. if you are unlucky, stopping the X server will get your system to shutdown |
| 11:15.43 | kd8ikt | change what? the /etc/pointercal? |
| 11:15.59 | ecraven | no, Xglamo is buggy, afaik there's no way to get correct landscape with it |
| 11:16.02 | Dave | haha |
| 11:16.07 | ecraven | change the X server to be Xfbdev, not Xglamo |
| 11:17.16 | Dave | kd8 what's up with your libc "fix" ? |
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| 11:18.28 | kd8ikt | gpe-screenshot is looking for libc.so.0 not libc.so |
| 11:18.46 | kd8ikt | libc got updated |
| 11:19.00 | kd8ikt | did it work for you? |
| 11:19.09 | Dave | are you talking about symlinking /usr/lib/libc.so to /lib/libc.so.6? |
| 11:19.51 | kd8ikt | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td639927 |
| 11:19.56 | Dave | uggh |
| 11:20.35 | kd8ikt | something wrong charlie brown? |
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| 11:20.57 | Dave | ohhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 11:21.02 | Dave | alright thanks :P |
| 11:21.07 | Dave | throws chcolate at kd8 |
| 11:21.10 | ecraven | where is the Xglamo log file? |
| 11:21.47 | dbmoodb_ | guys -- how does one add a tab key --- what does it look like? |
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| 11:22.25 | ecraven | tabulator? |
| 11:22.31 | Dave | lulz |
| 11:22.42 | dbmoodb_ | yeah -- |
| 11:22.47 | Dave | Now I can take a screenshot of the cursor bug, without the screenshot bug :P |
| 11:22.50 | Dave | hlagh |
| 11:22.53 | dbmoodb_ | "tab ? " |
| 11:23.15 | dbmoodb_ | like its the big thing missing from the keyboard.... i can't do completion cuz there is no tab... |
| 11:23.18 | Dave | moo |
| 11:23.26 | Dave | There is a tab key. |
| 11:23.30 | dbmoodb_ | where ? |
| 11:23.34 | kd8ikt | <-- |
| 11:23.35 | Dave | and bash tabcompletion works fine |
| 11:23.35 | ecraven | Bill_: where does the xserver do input handling? |
| 11:23.35 | kd8ikt | --> |
| 11:23.40 | Dave | Oh wait, which keyboard are you referring to :x |
| 11:23.44 | Dave | hides |
| 11:23.55 | ecraven | why don't you use xwd for screenshots? |
| 11:23.58 | dbmoodb_ | the default one |
| 11:24.19 | Dave | ecraven? |
| 11:24.26 | ecraven | the default keyboard doesn't have /, so it's useless on a console anyway |
| 11:24.26 | Dave | dbmoodb,oh, the numpad? |
| 11:24.32 | Dave | right |
| 11:24.36 | Dave | and broken in the terminal app |
| 11:24.37 | ecraven | Dave: xwd > /tmp/foo.xwd, then click |
| 11:24.46 | Dave | though the terminal app is pretty broken on it's own |
| 11:24.50 | ecraven | xwd should be preinstalled |
| 11:24.55 | Dave | ecraven? o.O |
| 11:24.57 | Dave | what what? |
| 11:25.09 | Dave | just what am I clicking now? :D |
| 11:25.11 | ecraven | xwd is a screenshot tool that comes with x |
| 11:25.17 | dbmoodb_ | the terminal is fine i just need tab completion and then i'm set |
| 11:25.18 | ecraven | the window you want to take a screenshot of ;) |
| 11:25.18 | Dave | AH |
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| 11:25.28 | Dave | I already used teh gpe ~_~ |
| 11:26.11 | Dave | xwd: not found |
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| 11:26.54 | Dave | Pizzamans! |
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| 11:27.00 | dbmoodb_ | so there is no way of adding tab ? ... |
| 11:27.15 | Dave | dbmoob, I thnk it is the concensus that that particular keyboard should be abolished. |
| 11:27.28 | Dave | I believe it's useful for dialing, but that's about it. |
| 11:27.36 | Dave | eyes Ainulindale |
| 11:27.55 | Ainulindale | What ? |
| 11:27.59 | dbmoodb_ | Dave: its useful for dialing yeah -- like i only want a full keyboard for the terminal really and an easy way to swap |
| 11:28.22 | Dave | oh, easy |
| 11:28.26 | Ainulindale | Dave: what ? |
| 11:28.27 | Dave | easier than Switching_Keyboards? |
| 11:28.31 | Dave | Ainulindale :) |
| 11:28.37 | Ainulindale | What do you want ? |
| 11:28.41 | Dave | :( |
| 11:28.44 | Ainulindale | Is it another useless higlighth ? |
| 11:28.48 | Ainulindale | -h |
| 11:28.49 | Dave | Does the dialer app use the global keyboard? |
| 11:29.00 | Ainulindale | I don't know |
| 11:29.03 | Dave | or can you secretly embed your own keyboard? |
| 11:29.05 | Dave | You don't know? |
| 11:29.11 | Ainulindale | I'm not developing the UI |
| 11:29.15 | Dave | Oh :p |
| 11:29.16 | Ainulindale | I'm doing the sublayers |
| 11:29.20 | Dave | okay :) |
| 11:29.22 | Dave | Fair enough |
| 11:29.28 | Ainulindale | You'll want to ask MarcOChapeau |
| 11:29.40 | Dave | Sounds French. |
| 11:29.51 | Dave | You're ALL French! :O |
| 11:30.05 | dbmoodb_ | well dude --- is there a way to add tab or not ? -- do i just put "tab" ? or bill or ? |
| 11:30.23 | ecraven | dbmoodb_: use matchbox-keyboard, that has tab |
| 11:30.45 | Dave | right |
| 11:30.49 | Dave | ecraven: make it bigger! |
| 11:30.50 | Dave | :) |
| 11:30.59 | Dave | it's worse than eee |
| 11:31.00 | Dave | ;D |
| 11:31.50 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: nar dude --i want the default keyboard |
| 11:32.41 | edistar | dbmoodb_: what's default? |
| 11:32.58 | dbmoodb_ | the number keyboard not matchbox |
| 11:33.08 | edistar | okey.. |
| 11:33.15 | edistar | thats old-fashioned-default.. |
| 11:33.21 | dbmoodb_ | i like it |
| 11:33.26 | edistar | the new default is in ASU |
| 11:33.42 | dbmoodb_ | um... fun i'm getting opkg error 2 |
| 11:34.12 | dbmoodb_ | i think all the sigs just failed :( |
| 11:34.24 | edistar | don't worry about the sigs |
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| 11:35.53 | Dave | oh haha |
| 11:36.02 | Dave | hoi Zorkman! |
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| 11:36.27 | Dave | bumble! |
| 11:36.28 | dbmoodb_ | well about tab ... |
| 11:36.36 | bumbl | Davy |
| 11:36.38 | Dave | How is Austria, today? :P |
| 11:36.49 | Zork | llo dave |
| 11:36.56 | Dave | hallo :] |
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| 11:37.03 | Zork | going to put the pc in a box |
| 11:37.06 | dbmoodb_ | edistar: should i use asu then ? |
| 11:37.09 | Zork | see you guys maybe tonight |
| 11:37.17 | Zork | make it work by then :p |
| 11:37.21 | edistar | dbmoodb_: depends, it's your choice ;) |
| 11:37.42 | Dave | :p |
| 11:37.44 | bumbl | hard to say; the sun is shining but still noone cares about us |
| 11:38.00 | Dave | :D |
| 11:38.09 | Dave | So a typical day, then :) |
| 11:38.24 | torpor | zogs: opkg install gcc-links |
| 11:38.29 | torpor | oh, he's gone. never mind then. |
| 11:38.38 | bumbl | it seems so, yes |
| 11:39.53 | bumbl | does someone know where to get libpulse0 >= 0.9.10? |
| 11:42.43 | Dave | the main repo? |
| 11:42.54 | Dave | libpulse0_0.9.10-r3_armv4t.ipk |
| 11:43.02 | Dave | Is that suitable? :) |
| 11:44.30 | Dave | D: |
| 11:44.49 | bumbl | Dave: link? because opkg upgrade complains about that missing |
| 11:44.56 | Dave | ecraven, what's next, custom cursors!? :p |
| 11:45.08 | Dave | bumble, strange, I have it in mine. |
| 11:45.14 | ecraven | Dave: no, i still think we need a decent framework before doing too much gui |
| 11:45.24 | ecraven | and as openmoko seems unwilling to fix the things i'm most interested in... |
| 11:45.49 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: can we not reinvent the wheel ? |
| 11:46.05 | Dave | bumble: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libpulse0_0.9.10-r3_armv4t.ipk |
| 11:46.07 | ecraven | dbmoodb_: point is, there *is* no decent framework at the moment |
| 11:46.15 | Dave | ecraven :) |
| 11:46.21 | ecraven | FSO is getting somewhere, but ASU and 2007.2 are dead ends, imho |
| 11:46.25 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: --- i said previously a nice debian base would be nice |
| 11:46.27 | kd8ikt | /tmp/x.log |
| 11:46.32 | Dave | ecraven, yeah, that is disappointing though |
| 11:46.38 | Dave | Hey, I think it's important! :) |
| 11:46.39 | dbmoodb_ | but the 2007.2 gui / framework looks good to me |
| 11:46.45 | ecraven | dbmoodb_: i have a working debian base |
| 11:46.47 | kd8ikt | is using a FSO build from like two days ago and i'm impressed |
| 11:46.48 | Dave | We seem to see eye to eye on most things so far, ecraven :) |
| 11:46.56 | ecraven | kd8ikt: i don't have that file ;( |
| 11:47.06 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: care to make an image / provide some .debs of the openmoko dial and other software |
| 11:47.08 | kd8ikt | damn |
| 11:47.45 | bumbl | Dave: thank you |
| 11:47.46 | kd8ikt | check if /etc/X11/Xserver has a log to entry |
| 11:47.57 | Dave | oH |
| 11:48.10 | Dave | Any idea where I might find notification that the cursor mode was by chance enabled, somehow? |
| 11:48.18 | Dave | Would it be in X logs somewhere, or what? |
| 11:48.26 | ecraven | dbmoodb_: i don't like the openmoko software ;) |
| 11:48.34 | ecraven | but i can provide a working image |
| 11:48.38 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: ah ............. so how are you dialing |
| 11:48.42 | ecraven | dbmoodb_: i'm not ;) |
| 11:48.49 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 11:48.51 | ecraven | be back in 20 minutes, then i'll elaborate |
| 11:48.53 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: i want to use it as a phone... |
| 11:49.00 | Dave | what the hell is wtmp? |
| 11:49.01 | dbmoodb_ | rofl |
| 11:49.20 | Dave | You might be the only one, dbmoodb :) |
| 11:49.23 | Dave | ;) |
| 11:49.23 | dbmoodb_ | Dave: a lot of basically everything you do -- its on most / all good linux distros |
| 11:49.39 | Dave | yeah yeah |
| 11:49.50 | kd8ikt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wtmp |
| 11:49.59 | dbmoodb_ | Dave: yeah i know -- thinking about dual booting actually - -sdpard debian flash / blah stock |
| 11:50.04 | dbmoodb_ | sd* |
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| 11:50.21 | kd8ikt | yeah i need an 8GB microSD first though |
| 11:50.33 | dbmoodb_ | -- im' getting 16 ;) |
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| 11:51.30 | kd8ikt | 16 what? |
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| 11:52.13 | torpor | last night i had an idea that i could put together a monster python script that people could run taht would take the best parts of all distro's and install them on a bootable partition on the SD card .. |
| 11:52.20 | torpor | sort of a monster merge of all works so far. |
| 11:52.25 | torpor | thus solving the distro issue for good. |
| 11:52.31 | torpor | so i started thinking about *how* to do this .. |
| 11:52.36 | torpor | then i fell asleep. ;) |
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| 11:52.46 | lindi- | torpor: heh :) |
| 11:53.16 | dbmoodb_ | torpor: apt-get install stuff && opkg install more stuff |
| 11:53.38 | dbmoodb_ | has to stop pushing debian |
| 11:53.43 | kd8ikt | ah noshit 16GB SDHC cards are comming out? |
| 11:53.53 | dbmoodb_ | yeah kd8ikt they are out atm |
| 11:54.00 | dbmoodb_ | i think at least |
| 11:54.06 | torpor | dbmoodb_: no, that may be the answer. use debian as the base OS, graft all the other good crap on top. |
| 11:54.19 | torpor | 16meg cards are available here for 50euro's |
| 11:54.24 | torpor | i'm gonna get one. |
| 11:54.32 | kd8ikt | damn i need one then |
| 11:54.34 | bumbl | omg |
| 11:54.38 | edistar_ | 16meg, hf |
| 11:54.49 | bumbl | I can't believe it; I have successfully updated asu |
| 11:55.01 | dbmoodb_ | torpor: hope you get it working -- just port some of the openmoko stuff |
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| 11:55.37 | torpor | no i'm gonna fork and then rewrite the whole thing in CHILL, coz thats the best there is, ever ever ever. |
| 11:56.30 | dbmoodb_ | torpor: what ever dude i just want the thing to work as a phone with some software available for me without having to compile it --(that's why i'm recommending debian / apt-get / apt-build) |
| 11:56.44 | torpor | does the phone work in debian? |
| 11:57.22 | dbmoodb_ | there is an image posted already |
| 11:57.36 | dbmoodb_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian |
| 11:58.03 | kd8ikt | does gsm work? |
| 11:58.27 | torpor | does the phone work in debian? |
| 11:58.31 | dbmoodb_ | ah..... - no hence my asking for portings |
| 11:58.36 | torpor | screw it. |
| 11:58.38 | dbmoodb_ | not 100% sure |
| 11:58.49 | torpor | but i like the idea of using debian on the phone. . . |
| 11:59.05 | torpor | is ther ea good bluetooth keyboard setup configurator thingybob for debian? |
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| 11:59.52 | dbmoodb_ | torpor: ....? just connect |
| 12:00.04 | rwhitby | winces at the overhead a desktop-optimised OS like Debian will bring to the underpowered openmoko platform ... isn't it slow enough for you already? |
| 12:00.05 | torpor | bluetooth keyboard |
| 12:00.08 | torpor | no connection. |
| 12:00.27 | torpor | rwhitby: *cough* OM2007.2 *cough* .. |
| 12:00.30 | Dave | throws a pizza at kd8ikt |
| 12:00.41 | rwhitby | torpor: exactly |
| 12:00.44 | raster | rwhitby: no. it isnt. some people want everything you see controlled by python :) |
| 12:00.51 | Dave | dude |
| 12:00.52 | raster | it obviously isnt slow enough yet! |
| 12:00.54 | raster | it needs help |
| 12:00.57 | raster | :) |
| 12:01.03 | Dave | Did you see their Crusade to have the entire GUI redone in Scheme? |
| 12:01.06 | Tig| | Once you switch from multitap to matchbox on 2007.2 bluetooth keyboards work fine :) |
| 12:01.11 | Dave | and run complete by fb |
| 12:01.11 | Dave | :P |
| 12:01.22 | rwhitby | raster: that's why I only run Emacs for editing config files on the moko - vi is just too fast |
| 12:01.22 | torpor | Tig|: really? i'll have to try that. |
| 12:01.23 | Dave | That, my friends, will surely be the turning point :P |
| 12:01.33 | Dave | rwhitby: haha, jackass :) |
| 12:01.35 | raster | rwhitby: hahaha |
| 12:01.50 | torpor | ew emacs |
| 12:01.58 | torpor | ~emacs |
| 12:01.58 | apt | hmm... emacs is as useless as vim if you don't wanna learn it |
| 12:02.10 | raster | Dave: u know gnomes original aim was to be a desktop written in lisp/scheme? :) |
| 12:02.12 | rwhitby | believes he was the first person in the world to run emacs on the neo1973 over a year ago ... |
| 12:02.20 | Dave | shudders |
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| 12:02.26 | HauDyr | ~vim |
| 12:02.27 | apt | i heard vim is better than emacs |
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| 12:02.38 | HauDyr | ~nano |
| 12:02.38 | apt | nano is probably at http://www.nano-editor.org/, or a DFSG-free alternative to pico, or 10^-9 |
| 12:02.42 | raster | pico! |
| 12:02.44 | Tig| | torpor: yep it is the multitap stuff that screws up the inputting :) just turn on bluetooth and put the kb in discoverable and enter : hidd --search in the console and it all springs into life :) |
| 12:02.51 | leinir | ~kate |
| 12:02.52 | apt | i guess kate is the new standart editor of KDE located in kdebase and the replacement for good old KWrite |
| 12:03.06 | rwhitby | ~cat |
| 12:03.06 | apt | somebody said cat was officially used to concatenate files. cat is also used to display the contents of a file on screen. Syntax: cat (file1) (file2) ...(fileN) Where file1 through fileN are the files to display. Example: cat letters/from-mdw displays the file letters/from-mdw. or a clawed walking stomach that meows, or http://www.linux-on-line.net/downloads/fun/humorous-plus/beware_of_dogs.jpg |
| 12:03.06 | HauDyr | ~joe |
| 12:03.07 | apt | A Free ASCII-Text Screen Editor for UNIX. URL: ftp://ftp.std.com/src/editors/ |
| 12:03.07 | leinir | Wraung ;) |
| 12:03.12 | Dave | apt, learning curve is http://bc.tech.coop/blog/images/curves.jpg |
| 12:03.13 | apt | okay, Dave |
| 12:03.24 | Dave | eyes rwhitby |
| 12:03.45 | torpor | Tig|: i'm going to try this .. howe do you put a passkey in .. with hidd? |
| 12:03.48 | Dave | leinir, harangue! |
| 12:03.57 | raster | Tig|: multitap installs a gtk input method handler that works assuming input ios from multitap |
| 12:04.09 | raster | i press the same key N times and it cycles... until a timeout |
| 12:04.15 | raster | but its done gtk-side in a module |
| 12:04.17 | raster | not in the vkbd |
| 12:04.18 | zedstar | using Scheme would really alienate the community further.....yah go for it ;) |
| 12:04.26 | Dave | :D |
| 12:04.27 | Dave | haha |
| 12:04.31 | raster | which i suspect was not the greates idea if u want to be able to switch kbd's easily |
| 12:04.31 | raster | :) |
| 12:04.39 | Dave | gee, cheer for their team, why don't you, zedstar :p |
| 12:04.48 | Dave | raster, no kidding :P |
| 12:04.56 | rwhitby | So I got the Debug board out on my GTA02 today, and actually got it to boot and reflash the nand. However, every time I think that it might be fixed, it starts to refuse to power on again :-( |
| 12:05.10 | Tig| | raster: aha, that is handy, I might write a little pygtk app that kills it when you connect a bluetooth keyboard and turns it back on after :) |
| 12:05.12 | zedstar | loves Scheme but couldnt really see it being a main stream language ever |
| 12:05.14 | torpor | get thee a new battery |
| 12:05.37 | rwhitby | torpor: battery is 4.1V, and works fine in the GTA01 next to the GTA02. |
| 12:06.02 | rwhitby | Power adapter is genuine openmoko, providing 5.1V at up to 2A. |
| 12:06.10 | torpor | i heard that this wasn't a fair test, though rwhitby |
| 12:06.13 | rwhitby | Both measures at test points on the GTA02 motherboard. |
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| 12:06.22 | torpor | you can't use the fact that it works in the gta01 as evidence that it should work in gta02 |
| 12:06.30 | leinir | apt, kate is the advanced text editor from the KDE SDK, whose editing component is used in numerous KDE applications, such as the default editor KWrite and the integrated LaTeX editing environment Kile |
| 12:06.31 | apt | ...but kate is already something else... |
| 12:06.32 | torpor | something to do with the columb counter misreading or something? |
| 12:06.34 | torpor | needs to be reset. |
| 12:06.36 | Dave | roll giant onion north |
| 12:06.52 | Dave | open door |
| 12:06.58 | rwhitby | torpor: also have GTA01 batteries (three of them), also at 4.1V |
| 12:07.04 | Dave | roll giant onion through door |
| 12:07.05 | torpor | hmm |
| 12:07.15 | torpor | then you've buggered yer gta02s' power regulator then, eh? |
| 12:07.25 | raster | Tig|: u may kill the kbd - but the input method still stays |
| 12:07.31 | raster | as its loaded as a module by gtk apps |
| 12:07.38 | rwhitby | believe me, it *aint* the battery. I've already been through multiple rounds of debugging with Andy and Werner, including taking the main can off the motherboard and checking test points under the can. |
| 12:07.42 | raster | i think u may be able to message gtk apps and tell them to change input methopd handlers |
| 12:07.44 | raster | withotu app restarts |
| 12:07.48 | raster | but i really am not sure |
| 12:08.03 | torpor | rwhitby: thats what i mean, you've got a buggered gta02 |
| 12:08.06 | torpor | power regulator onboard |
| 12:08.12 | Tig| | raster: arse :( I think that goes well beyond my basic hackery abilities :( |
| 12:08.17 | torpor | did you do the ol' usb cable connected while no battery is in trick? |
| 12:08.17 | raster | u'd need to extend the input method module i think to let it know to stop cycling under certasin conditions |
| 12:08.17 | rwhitby | torpor: the thing is that it sometimes works |
| 12:08.22 | raster | eg a particular property exists onreoot |
| 12:08.23 | raster | etc. |
| 12:08.25 | raster | or doesnt |
| 12:08.26 | rwhitby | so it's not like it's permanently dea |
| 12:08.27 | rwhitby | d |
| 12:08.39 | raster | but as such - tis problematic to use input methods for this |
| 12:08.40 | Dave | :P |
| 12:08.41 | rwhitby | torpor: that trick doesn't affect a GTA02 |
| 12:08.44 | raster | as it means qt doesnt work |
| 12:08.48 | raster | nore does efl |
| 12:08.50 | torpor | i really want an input method that works as well as the iphones does .. |
| 12:08.58 | raster | or anything else - unless u write an input method module/handler for them... |
| 12:09.08 | raster | it'd be better if the kbd itself handled the cycle.... |
| 12:09.14 | torpor | i know i'm being unreasonable, but i think an overlay that sits on top of the screen for key input seems like it might be possible. |
| 12:09.16 | raster | but thats also a tad nasty |
| 12:09.24 | raster | if u ewant the cycling letter to appear -inplace in the target |
| 12:09.27 | raster | :) |
| 12:09.29 | Dave | rwhitby: what are you talking about? |
| 12:09.59 | raster | torpor: the qtopia predictive kbd is pretty good |
| 12:10.05 | Dave | hardware frailties surrounding the freerunner? :) |
| 12:10.11 | raster | it improves typing like the iphones kbd |
| 12:10.14 | Dave | raster heh |
| 12:10.20 | raster | but corrects your mis-typings in a different way |
| 12:10.20 | Dave | kbd kbd kbd |
| 12:10.21 | rwhitby | Dave: the last thing I was talking about was the fact that the GTA02 is designed to be able to be powered from USB without a battery inserted, as long as there was a battery in there to boot and as long as you're not transmitting GSM. |
| 12:10.26 | raster | thus avoiding patent issues |
| 12:10.27 | Dave | clearly your typing is not improved :) |
| 12:10.42 | torpor | is it a big fat buttoned overlay? |
| 12:10.43 | raster | but the fact the freeruners screen is smaller |
| 12:10.46 | torpor | i haven't actually used qtopia yet. |
| 12:10.48 | Dave | oh yeah, not having a battery |
| 12:10.51 | kd8ikt | i need a bluetooth dev |
| 12:10.55 | Dave | I stand by that wholeheartedly. |
| 12:10.56 | raster | and is indented under a bezel means u end up with a much smaller are to use for typing |
| 12:10.58 | raster | like ti or not |
| 12:11.05 | Dave | I think that's a big fail in modern mainstream phones. |
| 12:11.09 | Dave | It also makes little sense too. |
| 12:11.12 | raster | and that is always going to make it harder for a full kbd to work well |
| 12:11.23 | rwhitby | Dave: this is a pre-production model (but very close to production - so close that it had the final VB_SYS flying cap fix already done under the main can), so it may not be indicative of mass-production freerunner reliability |
| 12:11.46 | Dave | :\ |
| 12:11.55 | Dave | That's not very reassuring :) |
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| 12:12.17 | wurzelburzel4 | hi |
| 12:12.27 | torpor | lo |
| 12:12.39 | rwhitby | I also have two dead GTA01's but I suspect they died when a USB hub supplied 12V to them instead of 5V. They show absolutely no signs of life at any time. |
| 12:13.03 | Dave | haha |
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| 12:13.08 | Dave | rwhitby: shitty. |
| 12:13.13 | torpor | i've got one of those too rwhitby |
| 12:13.15 | Dave | I can't stand devices which fail from such silliness. |
| 12:13.16 | torpor | no idea how to get them repaired. |
| 12:13.38 | Dave | get more gta02s |
| 12:13.43 | rwhitby | torpor: they serve as two replacement screens for my one working GTA01 and my one sometimes-working GTA02 |
| 12:13.50 | raster | applies 8243 volts to dave to see if he survives such silliness. |
| 12:13.51 | raster | :) |
| 12:13.54 | Dave | hehe |
| 12:14.05 | Dave | certainly so, raster :) |
| 12:14.10 | Dave | PLEASE, GIVE ME MORE!!! |
| 12:14.11 | rwhitby | I've taken the screen off one, and it's pretty easy to do a swap. |
| 12:14.11 | Dave | :D |
| 12:14.19 | Dave | rwhitby: kinky. |
| 12:14.23 | raster | HAHAHAH |
| 12:14.26 | kd8ikt | i really wish you would stop badmouthing the freerunner |
| 12:14.27 | raster | frankie baby! |
| 12:14.27 | raster | :) |
| 12:14.33 | Dave | ;p |
| 12:14.43 | Dave | kd8ikt: who, me? |
| 12:14.46 | rwhitby | kd8ikt: who are you directing that wish towards? |
| 12:14.51 | kd8ikt | all of you |
| 12:14.55 | Dave | :[ |
| 12:15.18 | kd8ikt | /usr/bin/env positive |
| 12:15.18 | wurzelburzel4 | is it true that koolu is going to distribute the freerunner worldwide? |
| 12:15.31 | smhar | rwhitby, so what is the voltage expected from usb hubs? 12V or 5V? do I need to carefully choose what hub to use with FR? |
| 12:15.32 | rwhitby | looks at the backlog for traces of badmouthing ... |
| 12:15.35 | torpor | you know what feels good in the ass? the freerunner. |
| 12:15.47 | rwhitby | smhar: a correctly operating USB hub will supply 5V. |
| 12:15.51 | raster | wonders where the badmouthing went to... |
| 12:16.10 | Viiru | smhar: 12V usb hubs don't actually exist.. |
| 12:16.10 | rwhitby | smhar: a good USB hub will prevent 12V from being passed on to connected devices. |
| 12:16.38 | smhar | rwhitby, so what was the reson for the 12V your FR got? |
| 12:17.02 | rwhitby | in a perfect world, 5V and 12V power packs would have differently shaped plugs ... |
| 12:17.11 | Dave | haha yes |
| 12:17.19 | Dave | a GOOD usb hub |
| 12:17.21 | Dave | :( |
| 12:17.22 | raster | the 5v got about 1.5 of his buddies around for a few beers |
| 12:17.31 | Dave | ;p |
| 12:17.34 | raster | they had a few too many. |
| 12:18.21 | Dave | no kidding :p |
| 12:18.41 | wurzelburzel4 | is it true that koolu will distribute freerunners worldwide? |
| 12:18.50 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7ccf60406386 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: fix etk scrolling - new efl date. |
| 12:18.51 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r81a22a98db24 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 12:18.51 | raster | dunno |
| 12:18.56 | raster | ask koolu |
| 12:18.59 | rwhitby | wurzelburzel4: what does their website say? |
| 12:19.34 | rwhitby | there was a dude from koolu in here at once stage - is he still here? |
| 12:20.00 | Dave | cthulhu? :o |
| 12:20.05 | rwhitby | goes to check whether he has fixed the misleading parts of the website that I pointed out to him ... |
| 12:20.22 | smhar | who is koolu? is it that one who rebranded FR without even mentioing openmoko anywhere in its website? |
| 12:20.44 | Dave | haha |
| 12:20.50 | wurzelburzel4 | there website says they do, but I cannot find any news on openmoko sites (but I am not in any mailing list except the announce mailing list, so I just wanted to ask here) |
| 12:21.19 | rwhitby | wurzelburzel4: apparently they are an approved distributor |
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| 12:21.55 | rwhitby | Heh - the wording on http://koolu.com/WE-Phone/Skype-Service.html has been edited slightly so it's no longer misleading if you actually read the text :-) |
| 12:22.29 | wurzelburzel4 | But this distribution does not change anything about the openmoko development itself, right? |
| 12:22.36 | rwhitby | smhar: they mention openmoko on the front page of their website. |
| 12:22.51 | Dave | skype service? |
| 12:22.57 | Dave | everything about that is misleading! |
| 12:23.03 | rwhitby | Dave: read the text carefully |
| 12:23.18 | Dave | I could easily see how people would get overenthusiastic reading that in a hurry :p |
| 12:23.19 | ecraven | dbmoodb_: i do too, but i think it can't do that yet ;) |
| 12:23.21 | Dave | ;) |
| 12:23.23 | Dave | thanks though |
| 12:23.42 | rwhitby | The second sentence didn't used to be there :-) |
| 12:23.53 | rwhitby | (geez, that's poor grammer) |
| 12:24.16 | rwhitby | poor spelling too ... |
| 12:24.30 | smhar | ok.. I don't remember it there before.. but still their cases doen't have the logo! |
| 12:25.06 | rwhitby | smhar: OM have always encouraged people to create new and different cases |
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| 12:26.25 | rwhitby | considers whether to persist with trying to get this GTA02 stable, or just push it aside and concentrate on the GTA01 |
| 12:26.32 | smhar | well, I would rather buy directly from OM, I just hope it will be soon |
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| 12:27.23 | rwhitby | smhar: it seems (from my reading of the tone of emails on the list) that OM prefer that people buy from distributors |
| 12:27.40 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: ah? |
| 12:28.41 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: your in aust yeah ? |
| 12:29.06 | raster | da 'laide |
| 12:29.17 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: yep, SA |
| 12:29.44 | dbmoodb_ | nice work o the nslugs btw |
| 12:29.50 | rwhitby | thx |
| 12:30.16 | rwhitby | the slugs are one thing that the freerunner is faster than ;-) |
| 12:30.29 | dbmoodb_ | although i have a buffalo linkstation.... -- :) |
| 12:31.00 | rwhitby | I have two slugs in the house - neither has any storage attached (both are running from internal flash only) |
| 12:31.13 | rwhitby | my main NAS is a qnap box at the moment |
| 12:31.44 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: which way does the micro sdcard go -- i put it in the right way before i think and it didn't see it |
| 12:31.48 | ecraven | anyone here working with erlang on the FR? |
| 12:32.13 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4563 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/pkg.c: |
| 12:32.13 | CIA-46 | openmoko: opkg: mark one line that cause crash. |
| 12:32.13 | CIA-46 | openmoko: But it will makes the system failed in reference count. |
| 12:32.52 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: if you hold the FR with the hole at the bottom, looking at the back with battery out, the big part of the SD card is on the right, and the contacts are down. |
| 12:32.57 | Dave | sluuuuuuuuuuuugs |
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| 12:38.05 | smhar | the probelm is, I now have to order the mobile from koolu (the only distributor that ships to my country, it seems) and the spare pack from OM and the screenprotector from someone else. this way my shipping charges will reach the sky. Why can't OM offer all of these to us the rest of the world (=people outside US and EU) ? |
| 12:38.41 | Tig| | smhar: where are you located? |
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| 12:38.55 | smhar | Tig|, Bahrain |
| 12:39.01 | Dave | hah! |
| 12:39.27 | Rigolo | loves bahrain .... had some good times there :-) |
| 12:39.34 | Dave | :P |
| 12:39.35 | pyknite | someone buy his freerunner at bearstech? I just receive a mail from the bearstech list -> the freerunners are coming late :( |
| 12:39.38 | Dave | naughty times |
| 12:39.39 | Dave | :p |
| 12:39.49 | Rigolo | well .... kind off |
| 12:40.02 | Dave | Is it bad if my freerunner starts making "noises" ? |
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| 12:40.20 | Rigolo | dave .. that is called a "ringtone" :-) |
| 12:40.26 | Rigolo | pick up yoru phone |
| 12:40.31 | torpor | somebody answer the phone! |
| 12:40.46 | Rigolo | or at least .. hit that weird button at the top of the screen with something |
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| 12:41.53 | Tig| | smhar: the closest reseller is probably the indian reseller, will they not ship there?, might be worth e-mailing them if it is not on their website |
| 12:42.20 | Dave | rigolo: CLICK CLICK CLICK |
| 12:42.28 | Dave | then SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH |
| 12:42.34 | torpor | thats bad |
| 12:42.40 | torpor | you've got the usb plugged in and no battery right? |
| 12:42.40 | smhar | Tig|, they do not have any page for buying, it is like they are not a webpage. |
| 12:42.54 | alphaone | Dave: Ah! |
| 12:42.54 | Dave | it's almost reminiscent of hd failure :D |
| 12:42.57 | Dave | but there isn't one :P |
| 12:43.01 | alphaone | That's "harmless" |
| 12:43.03 | Dave | hahaha |
| 12:43.08 | torpor | do you have the battery in or not? |
| 12:43.10 | Dave | Alphaone, you know of what I speak? :O |
| 12:43.12 | alphaone | It's a kernel problem |
| 12:43.18 | alphaone | Dave: I hope so :-) |
| 12:43.24 | rwhitby | wonders whether his GTA02 problems might be the Glamo wacky racers bug |
| 12:43.25 | kd8ikt | lol my random light script is pimp when sleep is set to 0 |
| 12:43.41 | *** part/#openmoko charlie137 (n=charlie@firewall.tw.openmoko.org) |
| 12:43.43 | kd8ikt | i should put a big seizure warning in the script |
| 12:43.50 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 12:43.53 | alphaone | Basically there's a pin that the kernel doesn't pull low/high |
| 12:44.14 | dbmoodb_ | fun i can't turn the damn thing on from battery |
| 12:44.19 | alphaone | Which makes the GSM modem think it can update itself over the headphones jack |
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| 12:44.33 | Dave | rwhitby: zoom zoom? |
| 12:44.37 | Tig| | smhar: hmm the closest page they have is : http://www.idasystems.net/order , try sending a mail to : sales@idasystems.net also they read the community mailing list as they have posted on there several times and has been vouched for by Steve iirc |
| 12:44.38 | alphaone | And that serial chatter is what you're hearing on your speakers |
| 12:44.46 | Dave | kd8ikt: I was thinking the exact same thing! |
| 12:44.54 | toggles_1 | is there a daily fso build? or just the milestone releases? |
| 12:44.57 | Dave | alphaone: oh great -_- |
| 12:44.57 | Rigolo | what? update via hardphones? like you can wistle to it to get a new firmware? |
| 12:45.09 | alphaone | Dave: So flash a new kernel and it will go away |
| 12:45.14 | Dave | alphaone: it's not very loud, but very annoying |
| 12:45.19 | alphaone | yeah |
| 12:45.23 | dbmoodb_ | wait i should be able to turn it on from just battery... |
| 12:45.24 | Dave | :P |
| 12:46.16 | dbmoodb_ | ayay error crcfail 0x1o3f |
| 12:46.53 | Dave | Error, failure detected at 0xAPPLE |
| 12:46.56 | Dave | haw |
| 12:47.13 | smhar | Tig|, and ordering from koolu is cheaper, BD147 compared to BD195 without the shipping |
| 12:47.26 | Dave | gah |
| 12:47.35 | Dave | pesky countries in the middle of nowhere |
| 12:47.41 | kd8ikt | i'll remember to exec my crazy random led/vib script next time i hear club music |
| 12:47.42 | Dave | and their outrageous shipping costs |
| 12:47.48 | Dave | hot |
| 12:47.57 | Dave | you have to have a seizurific screen to go with it! |
| 12:47.58 | Dave | :D |
| 12:48.06 | Dave | We should create an app menu icon for it too! |
| 12:48.07 | Rigolo | smhar: do you guys still have 3 decimals in your currency? .. that was fun when you tried to implement a new (western) accounting system there :-) |
| 12:48.10 | Dave | gets to work |
| 12:48.21 | kd8ikt | for the life of me i cant get xscreensavers to crosscompile |
| 12:48.43 | Rigolo | can still see the look on the US developers faces when I told them to go back to the drawing board :-) |
| 12:48.44 | Dave | kd8ikt: cool, then help me cross-compile some drivers :) |
| 12:48.47 | torpor | kd8ikt: you should definitely give it a .desktop file so its easy to run. |
| 12:48.53 | smhar | Tig|, 1 BHD = 112.385 INR 1 BHD = 2.71723 CAD , FR =20000INR = 399CAD |
| 12:49.03 | torpor | kd8ikt: don't crosscompile. compile-on-board! |
| 12:49.15 | dbmoodb_ | torpor: !fsck |
| 12:49.27 | Rigolo | torpor: great .. next your want to port gentoo to the FR :-) |
| 12:49.36 | Dave | you'll |
| 12:49.46 | Dave | I'm sure there's some ricers on it already |
| 12:49.46 | dbmoodb_ | Rigolo: good idea |
| 12:49.56 | Dave | better watch out, they might run you over :P |
| 12:49.56 | torpor | wtf, you haven't done that already? what the hell is wrong with you? openmoko sucks because you haven't done that already!!! |
| 12:50.00 | torpor | head asplodes |
| 12:50.06 | Dave | IT NEEDS A RACING FIN! |
| 12:50.14 | Dave | NEEDZ MOAR NOS! |
| 12:50.35 | leinir | throws a cowbell at Dave ;) |
| 12:50.41 | Dave | ding! |
| 12:50.53 | leinir | *giggles* It obviously needs more of that too ;) |
| 12:51.00 | kd8ikt | whats that oni actually would love gentoo onit |
| 12:51.04 | Dave | hugs Leinir |
| 12:51.11 | Rigolo | dave, and then play NFS-TD .. and use the accelerometers to implement a steering wheel like with the WiiMote :-) |
| 12:51.13 | smhar | Rigolo, yes we still do, the smallest decimal unit is Fils, one fils is not available to anyone. the smalles usable coins are 5, 10, 25, 50, 100 and 500 Fils. once single bread is 20Fils |
| 12:51.14 | leinir | hugs Dave right back :) |
| 12:51.19 | kd8ikt | i mean i'd love gentoo on the FR |
| 12:51.37 | Dave | rigolo there are already people conspiring over that at the moment, I believe :x |
| 12:51.44 | Rigolo | smhar: great .... |
| 12:51.48 | Dave | It sounded wiitarded to me, but hey, whatever. |
| 12:51.58 | Rigolo | Dave: oo then it must be ready by lunch Tom. :-) |
| 12:52.14 | jamasi | well, open-rc from gentoo would suffice me. |
| 12:52.18 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 12:52.30 | kd8ikt | love the xscreensaver RD-bomb |
| 12:52.39 | Rigolo | watches in amazment ..... :-) |
| 12:52.49 | Dave | throws kernel headers at kd8ikt |
| 12:52.55 | smhar | Rigolo, since we were a british colony, many still call the 100Fils coin a one roupee |
| 12:52.57 | kd8ikt | howcome the screensaver screensavers arent like easy to extract/compile on their own? |
| 12:53.08 | kd8ikt | all or nothin |
| 12:53.13 | Dave | rupies! |
| 12:53.36 | Dave | kd8ikt: your sentence, once again, makes no sense :p |
| 12:53.36 | torpor | leinir: you just gave me a wonderful idea. |
| 12:53.39 | Rigolo | smhar: I can remember being there the first time ..and seeing all the prices ... I said .. wtf .. 10K for something :-) |
| 12:53.49 | kd8ikt | xscreensaver screensavers |
| 12:53.52 | Dave | uh oh |
| 12:53.54 | Rigolo | that is what you get when mixing . and , :-) |
| 12:53.55 | Dave | this can't be good :P |
| 12:53.59 | leinir | torpor: accellerometer-powered cowbell? ;) |
| 12:54.01 | Dave | smirks at leinir |
| 12:54.06 | torpor | oh my god |
| 12:54.09 | torpor | YES!!!(!(! |
| 12:54.12 | Dave | DONG DONG DONG DONG |
| 12:54.12 | dbmoodb_ | btw how does one turn on / off the stupid mouse ? |
| 12:54.12 | torpor | what a wonderful idea! |
| 12:54.18 | torpor | goes off to do it. |
| 12:54.24 | Dave | we already came up with the freerunner moobox |
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| 12:54.42 | Dave | I believe Ainulindale will be getting on with mood after he completes his work on dialer3 ;) |
| 12:54.52 | Dave | or I am still eagerly optimistic. |
| 12:55.18 | Rigolo | isn;t somebody doing that already ... can remember a video on YT where somebody had some balls he could shake around and they made bell noises when the hit each other etc |
| 12:55.45 | Dave | hah, I thought that said mickey|hash |
| 12:55.49 | Dave | :p |
| 12:56.12 | Dave | rigolo, exploding bacci balls? |
| 12:56.39 | Rigolo | dave ... not big metal ones :-) |
| 12:56.53 | dbmoodb_ | anyome know about my damn mouse > rofl |
| 12:56.58 | torpor | has anyone done anything intersting with the accelerometrs yet? |
| 12:57.07 | Dave | grenade balls? o_O |
| 12:57.10 | Dave | what a scary game |
| 12:57.15 | Dave | it's like russian roulette 2.0 |
| 12:57.16 | Dave | :D |
| 12:57.18 | Rigolo | bacci balls teast good ... if you talk about those italian chocolte candy thingies ;-) |
| 12:57.24 | smhar | so, what exactly is this W.E. thing from Koolu? is it the exact GTA02 Freerunner from OM with only a differnt case? |
| 12:57.27 | Dave | haha |
| 12:57.31 | Dave | candy thingies!? |
| 12:57.40 | Dave | gives leinir some candy thingies |
| 12:58.49 | kd8ikt | http://media.putfile.com/ATHF---Edork |
| 12:59.08 | kd8ikt | thinks of my moko from that phone |
| 12:59.24 | kd8ikt | awe dude lets make a youtube moko comercial from it |
| 12:59.36 | Dave | please. no. |
| 13:00.14 | smhar | OMG, international shipping from Koolu takes 6-8 WEEKS!!! |
| 13:00.23 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 13:00.30 | Dave | hope it doesn't "fall off the boat" ;) |
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| 13:00.50 | Dave | smhar, even if I was able to ship it to you, it'd probably still cost a fortune. |
| 13:00.56 | Dave | depends though |
| 13:01.20 | Dave | I have no idea how much it costs to ship small light items there. |
| 13:01.42 | Dave | children are rather weighty :p |
| 13:02.48 | Rigolo | smhar: how heavy is a FR packaged etc ? 19.50 to ship up to 2 kilos internationally here |
| 13:03.03 | Dave | hmm? |
| 13:03.07 | Dave | UNITS PLEASE |
| 13:03.18 | Rigolo | euro's |
| 13:03.37 | Dave | knows not, of your strange currency. |
| 13:03.56 | smhar | ok there is an option for Canada Post (1 box(es) to be shipped) (Purolator International, 2008-08-11):which costs 118.81 CAD totalling the unit to 517.87 CAD ~ BD190.5 still cheaper than getting it from EU, as we are a $ bound country |
| 13:04.01 | Wonka | kd8ikt: aargh. I hate those flash video websites, the players never work on my (adobe BLOB free) system. |
| 13:04.35 | Wonka | kd8ikt: youtube I can download, google video too, but the rest is just inaccessible. |
| 13:04.36 | leinir | The freerunner with packaging is roughly half a kilo |
| 13:04.44 | Dave | haha that's like $200 |
| 13:04.55 | smhar | so is the W.E the same exact Freerunner with a new dress? |
| 13:05.11 | Dave | So you're saying 1 freerunner will cost 200-500 USD to ship? |
| 13:05.16 | Dave | Where do you live, the moon? |
| 13:05.41 | Dave | Leinir it's 1lb 16oz or something |
| 13:05.46 | Dave | I can weigh it again |
| 13:05.54 | Dave | or read logs for the real weight |
| 13:06.03 | Dave | I posted it last month |
| 13:06.22 | leinir | What's with those insane, heebijeebie units?! They're made for food! Not shipping estimates! ;) |
| 13:06.30 | leinir | *giggles* :) |
| 13:06.32 | Dave | rawr |
| 13:06.48 | Dave | pours sugar all over leinir |
| 13:07.03 | leinir | Aww, but now i'm all sweet! ;) |
| 13:07.04 | Dave | muwahahaha, indeed. >:) |
| 13:07.13 | Dave | ;) |
| 13:07.42 | Dave | See how devilishly delectable I am? :p |
| 13:07.51 | Dave | even to naughty danes :p |
| 13:07.55 | Dave | haw. |
| 13:07.57 | leinir | *giggles* :) |
| 13:08.10 | leinir | immediately becomes the sugar plum fairy... or something ;) |
| 13:08.50 | Dave | watches leinir prance around fancifully. |
| 13:08.54 | Dave | :P |
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| 13:11.16 | Rigolo | smhar: from .nl .. standard priority post package takes 5 to 12 days ... and cost between 23 EUR and 100EUR depending on weight (0-2kg is 23eur, 10-20kg = 100eur) |
| 13:12.27 | Dave | lollerhout |
| 13:13.08 | Dave | rigolo waar woon je? |
| 13:13.24 | Rigolo | .nl :-) |
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| 13:13.50 | J_P | hi all |
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| 13:17.54 | dbmoodb_ | btw how does one turn on usb host on the freerunner ? |
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| 13:19.19 | J_P | Is possible connect one usb webcam on freerunner do take a picture ? |
| 13:19.40 | zogs | why the sound don't work after resume? |
| 13:20.30 | kd8ikt | dbmoodb_: i was under the assumtion it auto did it but i could be wrong i've yet to mess with it |
| 13:21.45 | dbmoodb_ | kd8ikt: my fault perhaps ? |
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| 13:27.50 | mjr | J_P, it is, however, some webcams might require high-speed usb 2 to take at least high-resolution pics (due to their internal, non-buffering workings). So depending on the webcam you might be limited to a lower resolution (or maybe not working at all, but I don't know if there are such cams) |
| 13:31.35 | J_P | mjr: humm ok. I would like know when is possible connect one camra to a board and when is not possible. Because I read in somewhere about usb host and usb client.. |
| 13:32.17 | SpeedEvil | j: try it |
| 13:32.34 | SpeedEvil | J_P: you can only connet cameras to USB host. |
| 13:32.54 | kd8ikt | usb harddrives |
| 13:33.28 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r82a911be0f95 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion to 4563 |
| 13:33.53 | mjr | J_P, you'd need to manually put the freerunner into host mode before attaching the camera |
| 13:34.03 | mjr | (at least at this point) |
| 13:34.16 | mjr | and have suitable adapters handy, of course |
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| 13:37.36 | J_P | SpeedEvil: but are there only one USB connector in freerunner.. right ? |
| 13:37.49 | SpeedEvil | J_P: yes - it switches between. |
| 13:40.19 | J_P | SpeedEvil: switch between what ? USB host and USB client ? This switch can be do via software ? |
| 13:40.23 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:41.42 | Bubbi | is it actually possible to attach a USB hub to the neo..? so that you could put both power and a webcam on it..? |
| 13:42.16 | mjr | Bubbi, apparently yes, by switching to logical host mode but not enabling the power output |
| 13:42.30 | mjr | however, as hubs don't generally provide power to the host, you'll need to hack the cabling |
| 13:43.07 | eckhard | mjr: but with a powered hub it should work, shouldn't it? |
| 13:43.16 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 13:43.19 | Bubbi | yeah.. well I think that I have read about a usb-hub that had its own powersource.. so maybe it was possible with that one.. |
| 13:43.21 | mjr | (haven't tried this myself, but an om guy on wasit community list said something to that effect) |
| 13:43.26 | SpeedEvil | the wires go the wrong way. |
| 13:43.33 | SpeedEvil | You need a hacked cable, or a special hub. |
| 13:43.35 | Bubbi | oh.. :( |
| 13:44.00 | mjr | the point of a powered hub is to provide the power to the usb _gadgets_, not the host |
| 13:44.15 | J_P | SpeedEvil: all (most ?) webcams need in other end one USB host right ? |
| 13:44.23 | SpeedEvil | J_P: yes, all. |
| 13:44.30 | eckhard | mjr but the host (FR) has a power battery. |
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| 13:44.50 | mjr | eckhard, yes, but Bubbi was spesifically asking about getting the FR powered from the hub at the same time |
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| 13:45.13 | mjr | obviously you don't need any power hacks to hook up a hub and gadgets to that while running the FR on _internal_ power |
| 13:45.20 | J_P | SpeedEvil: good. And what is better form to connect two webcam in freerunner ? |
| 13:45.58 | Bubbi | J_P: It would drain the battery pretty fast I guess, but possible non the less |
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| 13:46.17 | AntonTakk | thou, depending on your electronics skill, it shouldn't be to hard to make the hub provide power to the host as well |
| 13:46.39 | mjr | AntonTakk, it should be a minor wiring operation, yeah |
| 13:47.05 | eckhard | but the plug to the fr is really small :( |
| 13:47.09 | mjr | not a problem if you want to, say, run a robot using your freerunner ;) |
| 13:47.19 | J_P | Bubbi: but problem is that freerunner has only one usb connect (one camera).. |
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| 13:47.22 | SpeedEvil | eckhard: plug is irrelevant, you strip a cable and wire that. |
| 13:48.01 | Bubbi | J_P: If you use a USB hub, then you could connect several items to the freerunner at the same time.. Though draining the battery faster |
| 13:48.40 | eckhard | didn't expect that a regular cable has the needed wires |
| 13:48.41 | AntonTakk | SpeedEvil: I was thinking buy a normal cable, cut it, and wire it in place of the original - so you don't have to compromise the sheath |
| 13:49.11 | Bubbi | SpeedEvil: I think what J_P is thinking about, is the small USB connector.. J_P, all that is needed, is a converter between the two different USB connectors.. |
| 13:50.03 | Dave | speeeeed eeeeeeeeeevil |
| 13:50.04 | SpeedEvil | Take a USB cable that you'd normally use to charge the freerunner, cut it open and pull out the white and grey wires. |
| 13:50.40 | J_P | Bubbi: yes, about usb hub I know. But for only two cameras, don't is possible use two in one unique connector without a hub.. Are there one "Y" cable ? :-) |
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| 13:50.52 | SpeedEvil | Now, attach the white and grey wires to the 'host' side of a cable you'd normally plug into the host. |
| 13:51.23 | Home_ | Rigolo, I wll try to gt another freind to join me in the order, maybe more, to reduce shipping cost |
| 13:51.31 | kd8ikt | lol http://xkcd.com/456/ |
| 13:51.58 | Bill_ | kd8ikt: yup, yup :) |
| 13:52.38 | edistar | kd8ikt: nice one ;) |
| 13:52.41 | kd8ikt | my sleep schedule has been fubar because of linux aswell i mean dang its 10am and i'm about to go to bed |
| 13:54.02 | AntonTakk | J_P: afaik, a USB y adapter that is not actually a tiny hub is impossible |
| 13:54.29 | kd8ikt | what about a bluetooth camera? or wifi netcam |
| 13:54.33 | Dave | making a Y-cable? |
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| 13:54.57 | Bubbi | J_P: Well.. If there are that sort of cable, then it's possibly something that could be done, but that is pretty much what a usb hub is.. just several plugs that are connected in a box instead of a single wire.. |
| 13:55.00 | kd8ikt | i mean for christsake this thing has millions of connection points and everyone want to go straight for the usb |
| 13:55.12 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 13:55.13 | Dave | hahahah |
| 13:55.17 | Dave | yeah, the fools! |
| 13:55.31 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: but no other power. |
| 13:55.36 | kd8ikt | expand your mind, but not so much as your brain falls out liejk mine |
| 13:55.43 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: USB is teh only way you can pull out power. |
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| 13:57.09 | kd8ikt | energon cubes |
| 13:57.34 | AntonTakk | how many energon cubes does the fr have? |
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| 13:57.55 | J_P | Bubbi: wow, are there very smple usb host.. without external energy.. http://www.logopremiums.com/computer-usb-hub-3317BT.jpg |
| 13:57.57 | kd8ikt | 1200mah @7.2 |
| 13:58.01 | kd8ikt | volts |
| 13:58.21 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 13:58.44 | AntonTakk | so one extreemly tiny energon cube |
| 13:59.29 | Bubbi | J_P: That's the way most usb hubs are made :) Only large hubs (with 6+ connectors) are normally externally powered, afaik.. |
| 14:00.07 | J_P | good ;-) |
| 14:01.10 | J_P | Is possible I mount (assembly) the freerunner in my country ? Or unique option is to buy it ready ? |
| 14:01.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4564 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (pkg.c pkg_hash.c void_list.c): |
| 14:01.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: opkg: fix the crashing issue. |
| 14:01.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: It's a hanging pointer. |
| 14:01.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Using installed_files without get and free |
| 14:01.58 | edistar | J_P: the FR is assembled.. |
| 14:02.20 | mjr | note of course that using an unpowered hub, you'll be powering the hub and the devices all from the FR, and the total maximum current is 500mA |
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| 14:02.32 | mjr | which will drain the FR faster than you can say "qtopia sucks" |
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| 14:03.21 | SpeedEvil | mjr: likely about a bit more than an hour battery life at the full 500mA |
| 14:03.28 | J_P | mjr: ok about short battery time, but two webcam use more than 500mA ? |
| 14:03.35 | kd8ikt | speaking of batteries it shouldnt be too hard to find a battery that fits in the FR that has a higher mah |
| 14:03.36 | SpeedEvil | J_P: typically |
| 14:03.43 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: go for it. |
| 14:03.54 | J_P | SpeedEvil: so, is not possible have two usb webcams in FR ? |
| 14:04.08 | SpeedEvil | J_P: yes - with some exterior cabling and a hub. |
| 14:04.20 | J_P | SpeedEvil: not, about max 500mA |
| 14:04.28 | J_P | tow will be use more than that 500 ? |
| 14:04.32 | SpeedEvil | J_P: you'd need an external power unit. |
| 14:04.36 | J_P | ahh |
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| 14:04.59 | J_P | SpeedEvil: so I will need a usb hub with external power ... |
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| 14:05.12 | J_P | simple usb hub not :-( |
| 14:05.13 | mjr | well there are battery-powered hubs too |
| 14:05.20 | mjr | at least one ;) |
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| 14:05.38 | SpeedEvil | http://www.google.co.uk/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=battery+powered+USB+hub&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 14:05.40 | mjr | but honestly, this two webcams to a neo thing sounds like someone's climbing some tree ass backwards, but I don't know what |
| 14:05.47 | SpeedEvil | http://www.amazon.com/Cyberpower-CP-H420MP-USB-Hub-Battery-Powered/dp/B0002UQALQ |
| 14:05.49 | J_P | mjr: I need chep (simple) usb hub.. |
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| 14:06.12 | SpeedEvil | that's quite cheap |
| 14:06.37 | torpor | anyone know how to use SDL properly on the freerunner? the way i'm using it just gives me a messed up screen, but it appears that numptyphysics is an sdl app .. |
| 14:06.39 | mjr | J_P, yeah but why do you need two webcams hooked to your fr? |
| 14:06.55 | J_P | SpeedEvil: are you sure that two simple usb cams will be use more than 500mA ? |
| 14:07.02 | SpeedEvil | J_P: most I've seen will |
| 14:07.13 | SpeedEvil | j: what are you planning on doing with these cams? |
| 14:07.19 | SpeedEvil | You do know the FR is USB 1.1? |
| 14:07.47 | J_P | mjr: I want to use FR as AVL with image, one image from person that are driving and other image from street.. |
| 14:07.50 | AntonTakk | SpeedEvil: robot eyes :) |
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| 14:07.55 | SpeedEvil | AVL? |
| 14:08.00 | J_P | SpeedEvil: yes. but i neeed max vga image |
| 14:08.04 | AntonTakk | oops, i was wrong |
| 14:08.08 | dbmoodb_ | J_P: my keyboard is using more than 500 |
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| 14:08.27 | SpeedEvil | J_P: what's AVL? |
| 14:08.40 | J_P | SpeedEvil: Automated Vehicle Locatio |
| 14:08.42 | J_P | n |
| 14:08.54 | SpeedEvil | J_P: ah. |
| 14:08.56 | torpor | nobody doing SDL? |
| 14:08.58 | mjr | well then you should be able to get power from the vehicle |
| 14:09.11 | J_P | SpeedEvil: but I would like have image understand ? |
| 14:10.23 | SpeedEvil | You'll need to do some work to find suitable cameras. |
| 14:10.32 | SpeedEvil | Can you plug into the car battery? |
| 14:10.48 | J_P | mjr: Is complicated, because two cams can use all baterry from car, and if is connect directaly from FR, I can (can right?) disable energy used from cameras when car is off |
| 14:11.04 | J_P | SpeedEvil: look above.. |
| 14:11.19 | J_P | SpeedEvil: make sense right |
| 14:11.24 | SpeedEvil | Well - when the cams are turned off, they will use about under .1W. |
| 14:11.40 | SpeedEvil | This is a few weeks with the FR off. |
| 14:11.57 | AntonTakk | J_P: perhaps get a cigarette lighter charger that can provice 1KmA+ and modify it to make the fr think it is it's own wall charger |
| 14:12.47 | kd8ikt | wow thats one killer battery inside the moko |
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| 14:13.04 | kd8ikt | http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/hardware/GTA02/CT-GTA02.pdf |
| 14:13.50 | J_P | SpeedEvil: ok, imagine so that is only one camera, connect directaly to the FR, FR will be support one right. Is possible via software disable that cam (off), for cam not use energy from FR ? |
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| 14:14.31 | mjr | you can cut the FR power output certainly |
| 14:15.12 | J_P | mjr: humm.. |
| 14:15.19 | torpor | whats the best method of taking a screenshot from the cmd line? cat /dev/fb0 > somefile.png ? |
| 14:15.43 | mjr | in fact you need to spesificaally enable the power output |
| 14:15.59 | mjr | but your problem isn't that |
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| 14:17.22 | guillaum1 | hi all |
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| 14:17.47 | torpor | mjr any chance you know how to take a screenshot from the cmd line? |
| 14:17.53 | J_P | mjr: but if two cams not use more than 500mA. Problem can be solved cut the power output.. like as with one cam. |
| 14:18.24 | mjr | J_P, but I presume you want to power the freerunner from the car. Unless you want it to run out of power. |
| 14:18.38 | mjr | and then you need to power the camera from the car too |
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| 14:18.54 | J_P | mjr: yes, FR get energy from baterry car. |
| 14:18.56 | mjr | torpor, hmh, I'm not sure what the OM images have installed, but xwd is pretty basic |
| 14:19.38 | torpor | i want to take a screenshot of the SDL app i'm trying to get working so i can show it to someone who might have a clue what is wrong... |
| 14:19.40 | J_P | mjr: I would like baterry car-->FR--> camera . With this I can cut energy to cam when I wnat see |
| 14:19.45 | torpor | so i guess i'll need to do it without x.. |
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| 14:21.06 | mjr | J_P, off-the-cuff, the only way I can think of to do that is to make your car battery input electricity through a regulator circuit to the battery connectors on the neo, but I'm not sure how advisable that would be :] |
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| 14:21.30 | mjr | (thus, the neo having no battery of its own) |
| 14:21.40 | net_tux | has anyone gotten a bluetooth headset to work with phone calls? (sco type, not a2dp) |
| 14:22.38 | SpeedEvil | mjr: you simply wire a 'USB charger' to the battery, not the ciggy socket. |
| 14:23.10 | SpeedEvil | mjr: this will drain the battery in about a month if it's left though. |
| 14:23.16 | kd8ikt | uhi take that back its a 3.7volt5 batt |
| 14:23.17 | J_P | mjr: FR can cut energy input too ? For not use ALL baterry from car .. |
| 14:23.21 | SpeedEvil | (if the FR is powered, but in off mode) |
| 14:23.24 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r950ec8845663 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion of opkg to 4564 |
| 14:23.38 | SpeedEvil | powered, but with the screen off. |
| 14:23.46 | SpeedEvil | Suspended, it'll last lots longer. |
| 14:23.50 | guillaum1 | Does anybody know what is the difference between the session bus and the starter bus in the DBus API ? |
| 14:24.47 | mjr | SpeedEvil, yeah but if the guy wants to be able to cut power to the camera from the freerunner the power to it should go through it. Not that he probably _needs_ to do it, he sounds a bit confused. |
| 14:25.01 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r7f7f2f407146 10/classes/autotools.bbclass: [autotools] Adding do_install_append() to autotools.bbclass |
| 14:25.03 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rbcbde7367fd6 10/packages/apmd/apmd_3.2.2.bb: [apmd] Correct the .la file |
| 14:25.50 | kd8ikt | has two BL-5C nokrapia 850mah batts |
| 14:25.55 | mjr | probably all that's necessary is to wire that usb charger thing from the battery somehow, yes, and make it feed both the cam and the neo |
| 14:26.12 | mjr | and hope and maybe measure that the cam won't drain too much if it's not actively used ;) |
| 14:27.12 | SpeedEvil | mjr: it must by the USB standard be under 100mA |
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| 14:28.39 | J_P | mjr: is not confuse, because imagine that I don't need more images, so I turn off (cut output energy to usb) and so car in off and cams in off FR will be baterry life very long. FR can use baterry from car, but when for example FR use 50% energy from car, So freerunner cut inut energy and will be off after terminate baterry of FR. And baterry car not will be off. Person yet can start the car.. |
| 14:28.50 | mjr | SpeedEvil, it can be deinitialized from the usb host? |
| 14:28.58 | SpeedEvil | mjr: turn off USB host mode |
| 14:29.17 | mjr | SpeedEvil, and it will deinitialize it even if it still gets power? |
| 14:29.18 | SpeedEvil | J_P: you can simply power the FR down if car hasn't moved in a couple weeks. |
| 14:29.22 | SpeedEvil | Nomad_Mk2: yes |
| 14:29.26 | SpeedEvil | mkj: |
| 14:29.29 | mjr | ack |
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| 14:30.23 | mjr | J_P, you are confused. The FR can't simultaneously take power via usb and feed power via usb. But that isn't a real problem here. |
| 14:31.56 | mjr | as SpeedEvil says, as long as we can deinit the camera and perhaps suspend the freerunner, the drain on the car battery will be very small |
| 14:32.21 | mjr | (not that the camera _should_ take much power even when initialized if not used, but well, guarantees are better than shoulds) |
| 14:32.26 | J_P | mjr: ahh. To charge the FR is via USB ? Is not like the other cell phones? via a special conenctor ? |
| 14:33.14 | mjr | yess |
| 14:33.38 | mjr | I thought you'd have that basic detail covered if you were considering FR for a custom system... |
| 14:33.40 | J_P | mjr: so I never will be charge input power and output (usb) power simultaneusly |
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| 14:37.39 | J_P | mjr: I was thinking to do this too the nokia 6110/6210. has GSM+GPS+2 cams.. |
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| 14:38.41 | donomo | the latest FSO has come a long way from milestone1 |
| 14:39.32 | torpor | nobody in here hacking on SDL? |
| 14:42.08 | dbmoodb_ | oooo oooo i'm getting an error If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.--- what should i do ? |
| 14:42.25 | toggles_1 | is there a daily fso build? or just the milestone releases? |
| 14:42.27 | dbmoodb_ | trying to build otr plugin for pidgin |
| 14:42.47 | Rigolo | dbmoodb_: building pdgin for the FR? |
| 14:43.58 | dbmoodb_ | ah ? |
| 14:44.04 | dbmoodb_ | no just otr -- its a plugin which i use |
| 14:44.38 | Rigolo | mmmm /me would like to have an IM app on the FR |
| 14:44.41 | Weiss | torpor: i hack stuff which uses SDL, but not on OM, if that's any help |
| 14:44.56 | dbmoodb_ | its complaining about no acceptable compiler in path after i installed gcc |
| 14:45.08 | dbmoodb_ | Rigolo: ---> pidgin is available from that cat guy |
| 14:45.18 | Rigolo | that cat guy :-) |
| 14:45.20 | Rigolo | lol |
| 14:45.27 | donomo | toggles_1: http://pastie.org/244077 |
| 14:45.48 | toggles_1 | donomo: thanks |
| 14:46.08 | dbmoodb_ | yeah anyone going to help me out ? |
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| 14:51.36 | donomo | toggles_1: there is tons of new functionalty, though overall it got slower and i cant get it to dial. :( |
| 14:51.52 | donomo | s/dial/call out/ |
| 14:56.59 | folken | can anyone confirm the following issue with fs0 milestone2 ? Unable to create entries in phonebook with character strings longer than 13 characters in lenght? |
| 14:58.21 | bumbl | folken: I can't create any new entries |
| 14:58.38 | folken | bumbl: using the lower middle button on the screen? |
| 14:58.58 | bumbl | I mean, I can create them, but they don't seem to be saved |
| 14:59.11 | folken | bumbl: longer then 13 chars? |
| 14:59.52 | donomo | folken: do you mean the daily image? milestone2 is not out yet right? |
| 14:59.54 | bumbl | I tested it with 3 and 5 chars |
| 15:00.00 | folken | donomo: ms2 is out |
| 15:00.05 | bumbl | donomo: ms2 is out |
| 15:00.11 | kd8ikt | 13 chars thats a long name |
| 15:00.26 | folken | donomo: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ |
| 15:00.32 | donomo | folken: thx |
| 15:00.39 | alphaone | folken: I just created an entry with 17 or so characters |
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| 15:01.00 | folken | kd8ikt: my realname is longer than 13 chars (Pre and Surname) |
| 15:01.44 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r23ed84fc7209 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [splinter] Bump up the reversion of splinter to 507 |
| 15:02.39 | folken | alphaone: on milestone2 ? |
| 15:02.53 | alphaone | folken: yeah, pretty much |
| 15:02.58 | Dave | :) |
| 15:03.01 | folken | alphaone: does it show up in the addressbook? |
| 15:03.05 | alphaone | yeah |
| 15:03.26 | kd8ikt | oh wow nice an official milestone |
| 15:03.27 | folken | alphaone: freerunner or neo ? |
| 15:03.53 | kd8ikt | mines a 29 build aswell but i cant add contacts |
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| 15:04.14 | alphaone | folken: FR |
| 15:04.27 | alphaone | But I can't seem to delete it |
| 15:04.28 | folken | alphaone: ah , i got a neo1973. |
| 15:04.59 | folken | alphaone: can't delete entries either. |
| 15:05.08 | bumbl | kd8ikt: my name is 15 chars long |
| 15:05.13 | alphaone | I was able to delete another one |
| 15:05.37 | bumbl | 16 if you count " " |
| 15:06.14 | Bubbi | bumbl: you are spending waaay to many bytes with that name.. you haven't thought of changing it to something shorter..? :D |
| 15:07.10 | bumbl | Bubbi: no not yet ;) |
| 15:07.32 | Bubbi | heh |
| 15:07.34 | Chox | clowns. |
| 15:07.57 | Bubbi | Chox: what..? :D |
| 15:08.12 | bumbl | alphaone: bei mir werden gemachte einträge nicht angezeigt |
| 15:08.22 | kd8ikt | hm i tried making an unbelievably long contact name+number and i dont see it saved |
| 15:08.46 | folken | kd8ikt: i tried 1234567890abc that worked |
| 15:08.54 | folken | adding a d didn't . |
| 15:09.17 | kd8ikt | mine was like kajhdsfos sadifu weo sduf poi u;flsad foiasdu fkl with a number of similair length |
| 15:09.32 | kd8ikt | and its nowhere to be found |
| 15:09.58 | folken | kd8ikt: have you got a neo or a freerunner? |
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| 15:10.10 | Chox | neorunner |
| 15:10.16 | kd8ikt | GTA02 |
| 15:10.16 | folken | argh. :) |
| 15:11.10 | kd8ikt | somethin wrong |
| 15:11.25 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 15:12.30 | Dave | Choxrunner |
| 15:12.42 | Chox | yessir! |
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| 15:14.31 | kd8ikt | yeah your def right that create new contact thing is bugged |
| 15:14.39 | Chox | you're. |
| 15:15.48 | kd8ikt | he's my little puppy dog spelling correcor bitch |
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| 15:16.55 | dbmoodb_ | ah guys i still can't use gcc on my phone |
| 15:17.04 | Chox | "doesn't work" :o |
| 15:17.29 | dbmoodb_ | Chox: well dah ;0 |
| 15:17.42 | Chox | suggests opkg install binutils |
| 15:17.49 | dbmoodb_ | ! fsck |
| 15:17.50 | Chox | but that's a guess without errors. |
| 15:18.05 | dbmoodb_ | i opkg install gcc and there was nothing on that / suggestion |
| 15:18.15 | dbmoodb_ | lables a bug wanders off |
| 15:18.15 | Chox | I know, the package is missing dependencies. |
| 15:18.37 | dbmoodb_ | if this works i'm putting it on the wiki |
| 15:18.43 | Chox | I'm so good, I can guess the answer without knowing the error. |
| 15:18.47 | Chox | very good. |
| 15:19.22 | dbmoodb_ | well i was getting another error on my desop -- something about m4 blah |
| 15:19.23 | donomo | the gta01 is called the neo and the gta02 has "NEO" written on the front. thats not confusing at all. |
| 15:19.48 | dbmoodb_ | donomo: hell no one has wifi |
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| 15:20.01 | dbmoodb_ | Chox: you loose still doesn't work |
| 15:20.20 | donomo | the pulsating yin/yang is odd |
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| 15:21.16 | dbmoodb_ | Chox: any other suggestions ? |
| 15:21.17 | kd8ikt | i love htop |
| 15:23.16 | donomo | i get no cell carrier registration notice. anyone making calls with milestone2? |
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| 15:26.00 | Chox | needs an error. |
| 15:26.06 | Dave | error error |
| 15:26.07 | Chox | and no, I'm not loose, I'm tied down. |
| 15:26.17 | donomo | kd8ikt: htop doesnt launch for me. i thought it was a game :) |
| 15:26.42 | dbmoodb_ | lose* |
| 15:27.14 | Chox | and in anycase, you still need bintutils, unless all you want is assembler :o |
| 15:27.59 | dbmoodb_ | sure Chox but i'm having trouble compiing anyways |
| 15:28.15 | Chox | still waiting for that error. |
| 15:28.18 | donomo | oh its the dreaded 'no dbus' msg |
| 15:28.43 | dbmoodb_ | oh sure |
| 15:28.48 | dbmoodb_ | give me a sec |
| 15:28.58 | rooly | any reason why the battery indicator flip-flops from red/empty to green/full? |
| 15:30.10 | rooly | or better yet, why does the battery indicator show low battery when i've been charging it all night |
| 15:30.41 | Chox | sounds unrooly. |
| 15:30.42 | dbmoodb_ | configure.ac:17: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_LIBOTR If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. |
| 15:30.47 | dbmoodb_ | that's it |
| 15:31.04 | Chox | sounds like you need libotr, whatever that is. |
| 15:31.07 | Bill_ | hmh.. htop is nice indeed |
| 15:31.13 | Bill_ | thanks for a hint |
| 15:31.16 | Chox | in any case, that error's not from GCC |
| 15:31.23 | dbmoodb_ | ah yes that's a good point |
| 15:31.59 | Chox | where's CaptnObvious when I need him? |
| 15:32.31 | dbmoodb_ | Chox: well how does one compile libotr and link these things then ? |
| 15:32.38 | Chox | Ah, here he is: http://www.bluelinecomics.com/New%20Blue%20Lines/Captain%20Obvious%205%20finished.jpg |
| 15:32.54 | dbmoodb_ | Chox: want to help out a beggingered |
| 15:33.17 | Chox | dbmoodb_: well, that depends. I don't have time, I'm afraid, but it's probably not hard. |
| 15:33.56 | dbmoodb_ | Chox: probably not just trying to get libotr and the otr plugin for pidgin onto my openmoko -- pidgin is already there |
| 15:33.59 | swc|666 | is there any way to cat the actual data being reported on for the battery power as a numerical figure? |
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| 15:34.30 | dbmoodb_ | apm |
| 15:35.52 | jadams__ | trying out zhone for the first time |
| 15:37.52 | Quai | swc|666: there is a lot of stuff in /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/ |
| 15:38.07 | swc|666 | looks... |
| 15:39.07 | Quai | just compiled thttpd for his fr |
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| 15:40.27 | feydreva | :) |
| 15:40.49 | Rigolo | dbmoodb_: how does piding on the FR look like? can you make a screenshot? |
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| 15:46.32 | dbmoodb_ | Rigolo: its cool |
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| 15:46.42 | dbmoodb_ | Rigolo: make me an otr and i will swap you ;) |
| 15:47.00 | Rigolo | otr: offer to refuse ? :-) |
| 15:47.05 | dbmoodb_ | i'm making me an otr atm |
| 15:47.07 | Rigolo | have to cook dinner .... |
| 15:47.17 | dbmoodb_ | oh ah yeah will do later -- it looks really good |
| 15:47.27 | Rigolo | be back later .... but still would like to see a screenshot |
| 15:48.01 | dbmoodb_ | sure |
| 15:48.28 | dbmoodb_ | AYAAYAY its a building |
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| 15:49.06 | thomasgruebler | hello |
| 15:49.31 | weatherhead | hi guys, does opkg update still break the neo? |
| 15:49.40 | thomasgruebler | i'm a bit scary that my neo tries to kill the battery |
| 15:49.57 | Chox | die! battery die! |
| 15:50.04 | thomasgruebler | yesterday yes. but i uploaded a new kernel with dfuutil then it worked |
| 15:50.06 | abraxa_ | thomasgruebler: #neo1973-germany *hint* |
| 15:50.11 | thomasgruebler | thanks |
| 15:50.20 | Bubbi | Is there a way for the freerunner to keep the nameserver that I have to write every time I connect it to my ubuntu desktop..? |
| 15:50.42 | Chox | Bubbi: yes. |
| 15:50.43 | Bill_ | Bubbi: /etc/network/interface |
| 15:50.48 | Bubbi | everytime I restart it or just reconnect it to the desktop. it removes it.. |
| 15:50.51 | Chox | .. |
| 15:50.55 | net_tux | weatherhead: which distribution? |
| 15:50.57 | Bubbi | Bill_, Chox.. and..? |
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| 15:51.11 | Chox | or just keep it as the desktop, and do the iptables thing as in the USB Networking guide. |
| 15:51.12 | Bill_ | the file is selfexplanitory |
| 15:51.26 | Chox | Bill_: to hax linuxh hexpert, it is. |
| 15:51.30 | Chox | han. |
| 15:51.41 | Bill_ | ow.. sry :) |
| 15:51.49 | Chox | :o |
| 15:52.39 | weatherhead | net_tux: any of them I guess, I'm getting a freerunner tomorrow, and my first instinct on any linux box is to update all the packages to the bleeding edge :-) |
| 15:52.52 | Chox | I ain't afraid of no ghost. |
| 15:53.04 | weatherhead | but I write C++/Qt so I'll probably install some Qt type image |
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| 15:54.09 | net_tux | weatherhead: I've only used the 2007.2 one and haven't had any problems with updates |
| 15:54.09 | net_tux | if I remember correctly from the community list, it was only a specific distro that had a problem with updates (ASU?) |
| 15:54.20 | Chox | ASU = curse of freerunner. |
| 15:54.35 | Bubbi | Hey.. nice guys.. :P thanks.. |
| 15:54.40 | weatherhead | net_tux: am I right in thinking though that ASU is the only way to get Qt on it? |
| 15:54.46 | Chox | no |
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| 15:54.53 | Chox | opkg install random_qt_crap |
| 15:55.07 | weatherhead | can I get a Qt evironment even on the GTK image? |
| 15:55.16 | Chox | ish. |
| 15:55.26 | donomo | when the FR has been suspended (pressing the powerbutton in FSOmilestone2), can it still receive calls? |
| 15:55.41 | net_tux | weatherhead: one thing I ran in to the first time I upgraded is that both the ssh server and the x server get upgraded and restarted |
| 15:55.41 | net_tux | so, if you upgrade via ssh, you get your connection terminated before the upgrade finished and if you do it from the terminal, it gets killed when x gets restarted |
| 15:55.41 | weatherhead | oh well I guess I'll just do an update as soon as I have it connected to t'internet then |
| 15:55.45 | Chox | it's really just combinations of the same packages. Bit like Ubuntu vs Kubuntu |
| 15:56.00 | Bill_ | weatherhead: it's just a matter of having the right libs |
| 15:56.05 | weatherhead | cool |
| 15:56.06 | Chox | opkg install dropbear >/dev/null 2>&1 & |
| 15:56.21 | net_tux | weatherhead: so, I did the upgrade from a screen session, however, note that when you run screen you have to wait a while for it to start (ie, it seems to hang) |
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| 15:56.42 | net_tux | or that works :) |
| 15:56.44 | weatherhead | is there a viable graphical wifi configurator yet? |
| 15:57.03 | Bill_ | weatherhead: nope.. but lint is on its way |
| 15:57.08 | weatherhead | ko |
| 15:57.16 | weatherhead | what about moki, or whatever it's called |
| 15:57.32 | CVirus | Bill_: could you please link me to lint ? |
| 15:57.40 | Bill_ | sec |
| 15:58.01 | Bill_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Lint-wifi |
| 15:58.02 | CVirus | thanks |
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| 16:05.42 | xmpp | has anyone succeeded answering a call with the button on an analog headset? what's the page on the wiki for this? |
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| 16:10.31 | rooly | why does the phone boot every time i plug it into usb? |
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| 16:16.19 | Blastur | rooly: the topic should give you a hint! |
| 16:16.38 | Blastur | especially the section on software status! |
| 16:17.12 | rooly | well, yeah, i know that. i'm not particularly worried by it. |
| 16:17.21 | rooly | but it IS rather annoying when i just want it off to charge |
| 16:18.37 | Bill_ | rooly. it won't charge unless it runs... |
| 16:18.47 | rooly | ic |
| 16:18.53 | rooly | well that makes plenty sense then |
| 16:19.00 | rooly | alrighty |
| 16:19.08 | Bill_ | the charging control is implenten in kernel |
| 16:19.29 | rooly | now anothre question, why does it keep insisting that my battery is dead when i've been charging it for an entire day |
| 16:19.46 | Chox | cos the s/w sucks. |
| 16:20.05 | rooly | ok |
| 16:20.27 | Bill_ | rooly: after letting it charge when kernel is runing? |
| 16:20.34 | rooly | last question: why did they shy away from the older neo1973 gui? |
| 16:20.37 | rooly | yeah, Bill_ |
| 16:20.47 | Bill_ | hmh.. that's weird |
| 16:21.17 | rooly | it switches back and forth from displaying a red battery icon to a green one actually |
| 16:21.28 | Bill_ | ah. that's a known bug |
| 16:21.30 | rooly | haven't really had it long enough to find a test case |
| 16:21.42 | Bill_ | it just misreads the status once in a while |
| 16:21.47 | Rigolo | Bill_: what is that bug number ... I saw that today also |
| 16:21.57 | Bill_ | i don't recall |
| 16:23.15 | rooly | but yeah, why'd they change the gui from the more phone-like version released with the 1973 |
| 16:24.04 | Bill_ | rooly: 2007.2 or ASU? |
| 16:24.14 | rooly | honestly, not sure |
| 16:24.18 | rooly | the one in all the screenshots |
| 16:24.30 | Bill_ | with illume? |
| 16:24.36 | Bill_ | black scrollable menu and stuff? |
| 16:24.43 | Bubbi | rooly: there are alot of screenshots, from different distros.. |
| 16:24.48 | rooly | no, with the radial dialer |
| 16:24.57 | Bill_ | ??? |
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| 16:25.05 | Bill_ | an example shot would be nice |
| 16:25.10 | rooly | http://cybernetnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/openmoko.jpg |
| 16:25.17 | Bubbi | rooly: you mean that they switched from that right..? |
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| 16:25.32 | rooly | well, i don't have that one on my phone |
| 16:25.45 | Bill_ | hmh.. i haven't seen that actually |
| 16:25.54 | Chox | "a lot", thanks. |
| 16:25.55 | Bill_ | it looks like just some skin on top of gtk |
| 16:25.56 | Bubbi | rooly: It just wasn't a very easy to use control, so they removed it, i believe |
| 16:26.05 | rooly | alrightuy |
| 16:26.20 | Bubbi | It was one of the earliest releases, that had that kind of controller.. |
| 16:26.42 | Bubbi | As far as I know, that is.. |
| 16:26.49 | dbmoodb_ | 3~/join #centerim |
| 16:26.49 | rooly | i'm all questioned out then |
| 16:26.51 | dbmoodb_ | oops |
| 16:26.52 | rooly | happiness abounds |
| 16:27.37 | Rigolo | dbmoodb_: well ... at least that one is inocent :-) |
| 16:27.41 | torpor | ok |
| 16:27.44 | torpor | cowbell fans? |
| 16:27.54 | Rigolo | torpor: you I can remember :-) |
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| 16:28.28 | torpor | eh? |
| 16:28.36 | torpor | what'd i do totally wrong now? |
| 16:28.47 | dbmoodb_ | Rigolo: ? |
| 16:29.21 | Rigolo | dbmoodb_: you typed in the wrong window .. or pasted something .. i thought ... |
| 16:30.14 | torpor | anyone running scaredy's stuff on their freerunner? |
| 16:30.30 | dbmoodb_ | torpor: yeah me -- that's where pidgin came from |
| 16:30.38 | dbmoodb_ | Rigolo: didn't paste just mistyped |
| 16:30.44 | torpor | dbmoodb_: pidgin? |
| 16:30.47 | torpor | oh, ok. |
| 16:30.52 | zash | a friend wonders if the freerunner feels plastic |
| 16:30.55 | torpor | so is it better than the current official release/ |
| 16:30.56 | torpor | ? |
| 16:30.56 | Rigolo | dbmoodb_: okee ... like I said ... it was an innocent one ... |
| 16:31.00 | dbmoodb_ | !pidgin |
| 16:31.08 | dbmoodb_ | ~pidgin |
| 16:31.11 | dbmoodb_ | damn no bot |
| 16:31.16 | torpor | i just realized i've been a week now with the factory OS, and forgot completely about putting something else on there for .. like .. 7 days. |
| 16:31.21 | zash | apt: pidgin |
| 16:31.33 | dbmoodb_ | zash: its no good |
| 16:31.36 | Rigolo | torpor: well .. that sounds like a good thing then :-) |
| 16:31.41 | torpor | i'm sitting here going 'why the f-in' doesn't SDL work, and then i realized it worked great on scaredy, on my neo1973 (until i broke my neo1973) |
| 16:32.19 | torpor | so .. hmm .. suffer borked 'official' SDL build, build it myself (no thanks), or switch distor's entirely. |
| 16:32.26 | torpor | bummer i already loaded this thing up already. |
| 16:32.32 | dbmoodb_ | torpor: just add |
| 16:32.40 | Bubbi | zash: The freerunner doesn't feel cheap.. i've bought rather expensive nokia phones that feel a lot more like a bunch of plastic than the neo.. |
| 16:33.02 | Chox | at least it's not a posey iPhone |
| 16:33.04 | Bubbi | the freerunner have a soft rubbery surface.. can't really define it, but I like it.. :) |
| 16:33.07 | leinir | torpor: How's the cowbell comin'? ;) |
| 16:33.14 | leinir | Bubbi: Absolutely agree :) |
| 16:33.17 | Chox | leinir: rotflcopter. |
| 16:33.39 | zash | Bubbi: thanks, i'll tell him that |
| 16:33.51 | Bubbi | :) |
| 16:33.55 | leinir | Chox: *giggles* i'd not really thought about it like an actual application... but i absoutely see it as a totally stupid and vital part of this project ;D |
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| 16:34.04 | torpor | leiner: working on it man, working on it .. ;) |
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| 16:34.23 | Chox | "moo" |
| 16:34.24 | torpor | Bubbi: yeah i agree with you on the feel, i've come to enjoy its company a bit in my shirt pocket. its solid. |
| 16:34.31 | Ainulindale | Hey that's my idea ! :-) |
| 16:34.43 | leinir | torpor: Brilliant ;) |
| 16:34.54 | torpor | leinir: what project? |
| 16:35.15 | leinir | torpor: Openmoko :) |
| 16:35.16 | torpor | Ainulindale: i know, but if you don't write the code, you don't get to be the smartass who posts it to the world. |
| 16:35.19 | torpor | oh |
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| 16:35.22 | torpor | whats openmoko .. ? |
| 16:35.31 | ike | Hello. Is the USB networking broken in the newest kernel maybe? |
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| 16:35.33 | Ainulindale | torpor: anyhow, it's not possible right now. |
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| 16:36.05 | leinir | torpor: Openmoko as a community project, not a product or company :) |
| 16:36.07 | Lukas__ | Is there any wiki page about how to set the freerunner to usb host mode? |
| 16:36.14 | torpor | leinir: what? |
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| 16:36.29 | torpor | Lukas__: there is. wiki.openmoko.org |
| 16:36.42 | Bubbi | leinir: what is that.. a cowbell..? You want to make a cowbell application.. let me get the facts.. :P Sounds funny |
| 16:37.00 | Ainulindale | My idea again ! It's stealing ! :-) |
| 16:37.17 | Lukas__ | torpor: I cant find it... |
| 16:37.19 | leinir | Ainulindale: You came up with cowbell too? Nicely, it must now happen for more people came up with it! ;) |
| 16:37.34 | torpor | Ainulindale: stop yer fibs! |
| 16:37.45 | torpor | leinir: check the logs, learn the truth. |
| 16:37.46 | Rigolo | feels an other stealing/IP/property/theft discussion comming :-) |
| 16:37.47 | Ainulindale | leinir: I launched the idea here, yep. |
| 16:37.54 | Bubbi | whoever thought of it first :) was the point of it, that you could use the accelerometers for it..? |
| 16:37.56 | leinir | Bubbi: A cowbell? Well... It's a musical instrument, basically... It goes "bong" metallically when you hit it :) |
| 16:38.00 | Chox | arrr, pirates. |
| 16:38.01 | ike | leinir: well... afaik the company is named 'openmoko' as well. |
| 16:38.09 | Ainulindale | But anyhow as I said, as the accelerometers are not usable right now, it's a dead end |
| 16:38.11 | Lukas__ | ~usb host |
| 16:38.12 | torpor | what part of *open* isn't a cowbell allowed to be cowbell? |
| 16:38.19 | leinir | Bubbi: It is also a silly joke, which comes from the term "Needs more cowbell!" ;) |
| 16:38.44 | Bubbi | haha.. alright.. :P But still.. why not.. :D |
| 16:38.52 | Chox | leinir: actually, I thought it was funny due to my mention yesterday torpor mooing here and on the mailing list. |
| 16:39.20 | leinir | Chox: The flip-it-to-make-it-go-moo idea? Yeah, brilliant idea that one too *giggles* equally stupid, and thus just as important ;) |
| 16:39.32 | Chox | no, not that. as in "moo" == complaining. |
| 16:39.32 | Bubbi | hahaha |
| 16:39.46 | torpor | that was today |
| 16:40.00 | torpor | wtf? |
| 16:40.04 | Bubbi | but leinir, it's a good idea with the "moo" sound as well, when you flip it.. :P |
| 16:40.11 | Chox | was yesterday, at least in this timezone :o |
| 16:40.23 | leinir | Chox: Right :) |
| 16:40.35 | Chox | at least 22 hours ago. |
| 16:40.42 | leinir | Bubbi: *giggles* Really stupid, and absolutely great, yes :) |
| 16:40.46 | Bubbi | that is considered yesterday.. :P |
| 16:40.58 | Bubbi | hehe.. but what was that about the accelerometers not working..? |
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| 16:41.02 | Lukas__ | Does anyone know if there is any wiki page about how to set the freerunner to usb host mode? |
| 16:41.09 | Bubbi | they don't give the right data yet or what..? |
| 16:41.10 | Chox | there is. |
| 16:41.11 | leinir | Well, the accellerometers not working... that is rather sucky |
| 16:41.13 | Chox | dunno where thou. |
| 16:41.19 | Ainulindale | Bubbi: third time I say that |
| 16:41.26 | Ainulindale | Accelerometers are not usable |
| 16:41.41 | Ainulindale | If they were I would have developed mood a week ago :-) |
| 16:41.47 | Chox | not usable as cowbells? |
| 16:41.48 | Bubbi | Ainulindale: I'm not saying that i'm not listening to you, but I was just wanting to know why.. :) |
| 16:41.51 | torpor | wtf, they give data! |
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| 16:41.58 | torpor | its just they block on read and thats gay |
| 16:42.16 | Ainulindale | torpor: If you want to have a permanent cpu usage of 60% go ahead |
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| 16:47.30 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r458ce1cfd5c3 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: new efl and illume versions - internal kbd now config option. code default is |
| 16:47.31 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc7ab3ea6a487 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: fix etk scrolling - new efl date. |
| 16:47.31 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r84427d532d2f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [splinter] Bump up the reversion of splinter to 505 |
| 16:47.32 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r26199aeec7cf 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [diversity] Bump up the reversion of diversity-daemon to 483 |
| 16:47.34 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6e7662bd44f6 10/packages/packagekit/ (files/remove_search_memory_leak.patch packagekit_git.bb): [packagekit] Add a patch for packagekit |
| 16:47.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5324ae1cdd51 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion of opkg to 4562 |
| 16:47.42 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8ab5cb157ff6 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion to 4563 |
| 16:47.45 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * reac671e4cf35 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion of opkg to 4564 |
| 16:47.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r072c0f7a0449 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [splinter] Bump up the reversion of splinter to 507 |
| 16:47.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r14892684e5e3 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/vendor_ficgta01.cpp: [ficgta] Do not handle NO CARRIER or BUSY... as we have %CPI for that |
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| 16:48.33 | Chox | wheeee. |
| 16:51.07 | Bubbi | all that means that there's a new asu update, right..? |
| 16:51.10 | Bubbi | :) |
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| 16:55.36 | Bubbi | brb |
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| 17:08.20 | Lukas__ | torpor: do you know if there is an wiki page about how to put the usb in host mode or did you just want me to search the wiki myself? |
| 17:12.18 | zash | hm |
| 17:12.36 | zash | is whatever image make qemu gets broken? |
| 17:12.47 | zash | i get this http://pic.zash.se/screenshot1-1.png |
| 17:13.02 | zash | and it wont do anything |
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| 17:17.19 | Chox | thew \o/ |
| 17:18.19 | Bubbi | what Chox? |
| 17:19.11 | Chox | \o\ \o| |o| |o/ /o/ |
| 17:19.36 | Bubbi | heh.. you're just a happy little hacker right now..? |
| 17:20.52 | McKael | My power menu doesn't obey me anymore |
| 17:21.04 | McKael | It forgot who's the master |
| 17:21.12 | Chox | I am. |
| 17:21.17 | Chox | or Dave, in my absense |
| 17:21.20 | McKael | :) |
| 17:21.27 | SpeedEvil | td: you mean getting delivery of, or ordering tomorrow? |
| 17:21.29 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 17:22.01 | McKael | Do you know if there's a configuration file for this menu, btw? |
| 17:22.08 | McKael | Or is it all hardcoded? |
| 17:23.10 | SpeedEvil | McKael: to fix this - see http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qu4EQqOBYwU |
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| 17:24.48 | McKael | SpeedEvil: :) |
| 17:24.50 | LionKMP | hi, I am completely lost. I wanna flash the ASU 07-21 snapshot. Is it here? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080721/ |
| 17:25.02 | LionKMP | (got Neo yesterday :) ) |
| 17:25.25 | LionKMP | I can't find uImage on that dir, as http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner mentions. |
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| 17:27.50 | leinir | LionKMP: Go back a day or two - you don't always get a uImage for a specific day :) |
| 17:28.03 | McKael | LionKMP: I think ASU is qtopia-x11 |
| 17:28.23 | LionKMP | wow. and will it work with 0721 openmoko jffs2? (the older uImage?) or will they have to match? |
| 17:28.36 | LionKMP | McKael: yes, I think that too. (I hope so, at least :) ) |
| 17:28.40 | leinir | It will work with the newer rootfs :) |
| 17:29.00 | Chox | muh. |
| 17:29.05 | McKael | Oh sorry, missed your message about the uImage |
| 17:29.07 | LionKMP | leinir: great, many thanks! |
| 17:29.29 | LionKMP | McKael: no prob, any confirmation of my belief is good :) |
| 17:29.29 | leinir | That is indeed it - ASU is qtopia-x11-lalalala, and just so you know it, the Qtopia image is the one available from qtopia.net :) |
| 17:29.49 | LionKMP | I want OpenMoko OS for OpenMoko phone, not Qt os :) |
| 17:30.03 | McKael | Damn, my sdcard got corrupted again |
| 17:30.27 | Chox | I want the moon on a stick |
| 17:30.29 | leinir | LionKMP: Sure thing, just helping you with terminology :) there's a lot of people who call ASU qtopia ;) |
| 17:30.43 | LionKMP | hehe :-) |
| 17:31.13 | leinir | (i happen to enjoy the qtopia software quite a lot, but i know not everybody's going to agree with me there ;) ) |
| 17:31.16 | McKael | Really, a daily symlink to the latest uImage would be nice |
| 17:31.22 | LionKMP | what are those all "lowlevel-*" files? |
| 17:31.34 | LionKMP | McKael: yes, I am still finding. :) 10th now, July. |
| 17:32.36 | LionKMP | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080703/ has uImage :) |
| 17:33.07 | LionKMP | the "short" names like openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 are symlinks to the long, aren't them? |
| 17:33.53 | McKael | LionKMP: yep |
| 17:34.49 | LionKMP | lowlevel-* anybody? |
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| 17:36.55 | bricode | LionKMP: Used for setting registers while flashing u-boot w/debug board. |
| 17:37.28 | LionKMP | hm, well, ok, debug board stuff, then I won't need that. thanks :) |
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| 17:41.30 | LionKMP | does it matter which uboot i log, when just kernel and jffs is going to be updated? (Wiki is confusing) |
| 17:42.23 | McKael | LionKMP: sorry? |
| 17:42.36 | LionKMP | NAND or NOR uboot? |
| 17:42.41 | McKael | oh |
| 17:42.43 | McKael | ok |
| 17:42.46 | McKael | Any, AFAICT |
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| 17:42.57 | LionKMP | NOR is said to be used by developers, I just want to update. (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner) |
| 17:42.59 | McKael | Both are fine |
| 17:43.14 | LionKMP | well, ok, I try. :) NAND. |
| 17:43.17 | McKael | Use NOR if you want to flash uboot |
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| 17:43.31 | LionKMP | yes, I don't want. Just kernel and jffs. |
| 17:43.33 | McKael | for kernel and rootfs both will work |
| 17:43.55 | LionKMP | great. (I joined the documentation team, so now at least I am getting some view of the things to fix ;-) ) |
| 17:44.10 | Chox | stupid committee :p |
| 17:44.16 | LionKMP | :D |
| 17:45.35 | LionKMP | error message :( http://pastebin.com/m68a4af33 |
| 17:46.21 | McKael | LionKMP: nope! |
| 17:46.39 | McKael | dfu-utils is to be used on the _host_ |
| 17:46.47 | McKael | -s |
| 17:46.55 | LionKMP | yes, it is on my Mandriva |
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| 17:47.04 | McKael | oh |
| 17:47.04 | LionKMP | sorry for openmoko in the path name :) |
| 17:47.12 | McKael | it's called openmoko? |
| 17:47.18 | McKael | ok :) |
| 17:47.21 | LionKMP | no, localhost, then dir name :) ok |
| 17:47.21 | McKael | got it :) |
| 17:47.39 | LionKMP | hm, it turns off quite fast |
| 17:47.43 | McKael | Can you see the FR with lsusb? |
| 17:48.01 | McKael | brb |
| 17:48.08 | LionKMP | it is flashhing now, with the other uboot |
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| 17:56.16 | Yashy | Is it safe to do an upgrade yet? |
| 17:56.21 | Chox | nope. |
| 17:56.24 | Chox | it will eat your wiki. |
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| 17:57.12 | phrozen77 | loool |
| 17:57.31 | jOERG_rw | gps-external antenna adapter: http://www.google.de/search?q=MXHS83QE3000. Cheers, jOERG :-) |
| 17:57.40 | Yashy | wonders why that is a funny question? |
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| 18:01.26 | Guilt | hey guys. anybody got openmoko-panel-alarm as a ipk? |
| 18:01.44 | Guilt | :-) |
| 18:02.00 | jOERG_rw | WAAAAH, SORRY!!! Meant: "*GSM*-adapter" !!! |
| 18:02.37 | Chox | burp. |
| 18:02.44 | Chox | grape soad. oh yeah. |
| 18:02.47 | Chox | soda. |
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| 18:08.39 | Guilt | i don't get this: |
| 18:08.39 | Guilt | NOTE: Several people have had problems with the latest toolchain built 20080521. If you experience errors, try an older version. (as of July 23, 2008) |
| 18:08.48 | Guilt | isn't july 23 later than may 21? |
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| 18:17.04 | bipak | Guilt: hmm usually yes |
| 18:17.05 | mmaestri | FSO reached milestone 2 |
| 18:17.07 | mmaestri | nice |
| 18:17.26 | LionKMP | no terminal on asu? how to setup usb network on asu? |
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| 18:18.41 | Guilt | bipak: that wiki. incorrigible |
| 18:20.12 | Bubbi | how does FSO look like.. Is it just the 2007.02 layout..? |
| 18:20.57 | Bubbi | or is it just a framework..? |
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| 18:23.23 | Quai | perl == <3 :) |
| 18:23.26 | Quai | http://pastebin.com/m7c1993d0 |
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| 18:29.31 | Elleo | Guilt: I think it means the problem still exists as of July 23rd |
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| 18:29.41 | Guilt | Elleo: thanks. |
| 18:29.50 | Elleo | although I didn't encounter any problems with the latest toolchain |
| 18:29.52 | Guilt | can you guys pass me your default alsa settings? |
| 18:30.00 | Elleo | well, latest as of a week or so ago |
| 18:30.05 | DaveLab | Okay, bad news guys. |
| 18:30.07 | Guilt | Elleo: i'm not able to use opkg with the current toolchain |
| 18:30.12 | DaveLab | hails Joerg |
| 18:30.19 | Guilt | DaveLab: any good news following? |
| 18:30.22 | Guilt | what happened, Dave |
| 18:30.38 | Guilt | Elleo: and om-conf for the sample doesnt work. really |
| 18:30.48 | Elleo | Guilt: what happens? |
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| 18:31.21 | Guilt | it tells me about some erroneous path |
| 18:31.28 | Elleo | Bubbi: the FSO image is pretty much just a dialer |
| 18:31.38 | Guilt | when i try to build it, it gives me some erroneous path /fic/blah |
| 18:32.02 | Elleo | I take it you sourced the setup-env file? |
| 18:32.06 | Guilt | yes |
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| 18:32.21 | Elleo | not sure then, sorry |
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| 18:33.05 | DaveLab | Guilt I fear this freerunner has been exploded :D |
| 18:33.07 | DaveLab | or melted :P |
| 18:33.09 | DaveLab | or something! |
| 18:33.11 | DaveLab | whee |
| 18:33.23 | DaveLab | I'm trying to power cycle it at the moment. |
| 18:33.45 | DaveLab | It basically turns on to the openmoko orange screen as per usual when first powered on, but just stays there forever |
| 18:33.50 | DaveLab | and the device gets extremely hot! |
| 18:33.57 | DaveLab | This is very concerning. |
| 18:34.16 | DaveLab | as it worked perfectly this morning, beyond the cursor bug. |
| 18:34.18 | Guilt | libtool: link: cannot find the library `/space/fic/openmoko-daily/neo1973/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/pango-1.18.3-r0/pango-1.18.3/pango/libpangoft2-1.0.la' or unhandled argument `/space/fic/openmoko-daily/neo1973/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/pango-1.18.3-r0/pango-1.18.3/pango/libpangoft2-1.0.la' |
| 18:34.27 | Guilt | Shit :( |
| 18:34.31 | DaveLab | haha |
| 18:34.31 | Chox | D! |
| 18:34.32 | Guilt | yeah. i've observed that too |
| 18:34.34 | DaveLab | yeah, fucking pango |
| 18:34.36 | DaveLab | I remember that, |
| 18:34.44 | DaveLab | Guilt looks like you're trying to build the toolchain? |
| 18:34.46 | Guilt | people were telling me it's hot. |
| 18:34.50 | DaveLab | haha oh gawd, that makes me sound like clippy :D |
| 18:35.00 | DaveLab | Would you like help with that? :) |
| 18:35.00 | Guilt | DaveLab: no. just using prebuild |
| 18:35.02 | Chox | rotflcopter |
| 18:35.02 | DaveLab | :P |
| 18:35.04 | Guilt | yes. please |
| 18:35.05 | DaveLab | ah |
| 18:35.07 | DaveLab | :D |
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| 18:35.12 | DaveLab | did you ./configure before make? |
| 18:35.15 | DaveLab | :D |
| 18:35.18 | Guilt | om-conf blah |
| 18:35.19 | Guilt | and make |
| 18:35.22 | DaveLab | yeah! |
| 18:35.23 | DaveLab | I did same |
| 18:35.26 | DaveLab | and got the same error |
| 18:35.30 | DaveLab | you need to ./configure first |
| 18:35.33 | DaveLab | before make! |
| 18:35.33 | Guilt | om-conf is the wrapper which does the --target i guess |
| 18:35.37 | DaveLab | right |
| 18:35.43 | DaveLab | but it makes a fucked up makefile |
| 18:35.47 | Chox | so rude. |
| 18:35.56 | DaveLab | or must, because after ./configure'ing I didn't get that error |
| 18:36.03 | DaveLab | :| |
| 18:36.12 | DaveLab | stupid om-conf and crappy toolchain packagers |
| 18:36.14 | Guilt | DaveLab: so something is WRONG with om-conf |
| 18:36.15 | Guilt | yeah |
| 18:36.15 | Chox | heh |
| 18:36.17 | Guilt | exactly |
| 18:36.19 | Chox | amatuers! |
| 18:36.21 | DaveLab | Guilt, that's unsurprising. |
| 18:36.33 | DaveLab | Didn't someone recently say that om-conf was EOL'ed? |
| 18:36.38 | Guilt | because oe_runconf calls ${S}/configure |
| 18:36.42 | DaveLab | or they ditched it because of somethi8ng bette |
| 18:36.43 | Guilt | really? |
| 18:36.45 | Chox | Dave: finished ranting yet? |
| 18:36.52 | DaveLab | Maybe, that's what I recalled hearing yesterday. |
| 18:36.55 | DaveLab | Chox, negatory! |
| 18:37.01 | Chox | just chekcing. |
| 18:37.02 | Guilt | Chox: so what is wrong with om-conf, eh? |
| 18:37.03 | Chox | er, checking |
| 18:37.04 | DaveLab | Prepare the Board of Berating! |
| 18:37.09 | DaveLab | :) |
| 18:37.10 | Chox | beats me. |
| 18:37.22 | Guilt | DaveLab: if there is something wrong, we need to know what it is |
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| 18:39.14 | Guilt | and DaveLab: opkg is borken on that toolchain |
| 18:39.23 | Guilt | apparently opkg-cl isnt anywhere |
| 18:39.23 | DaveLab | Guilt, we do? |
| 18:39.39 | DaveLab | I just decided to not deal with it anymore, and that resolved my aggravations :) |
| 18:40.10 | DaveLab | I just CHOCKed it up to shitty preparations/configurations/packaging and got on with it, after resolving the issue by manually configuring |
| 18:40.14 | DaveLab | ;p |
| 18:41.00 | Chox | that's Chox it up. |
| 18:41.08 | Guilt | do we package pango with freetype2? |
| 18:41.24 | Guilt | because it can't find the pango-ft2 package |
| 18:41.25 | Chox | pango pretty much has to use freetype |
| 18:41.36 | Chox | haz looked at the code. |
| 18:41.39 | Guilt | yeah. so something is terribly wrong. |
| 18:41.46 | DaveLab | D: |
| 18:41.48 | DaveLab | ducks for cover |
| 18:41.55 | Chox | D:D |
| 18:41.56 | Guilt | gets his shotgun |
| 18:42.02 | DaveLab | pull! |
| 18:42.19 | Guilt | goes head hunting for toolchain people |
| 18:42.39 | Guilt | i officially declare toolchain-people season open |
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| 18:43.03 | DaveLab | fuck |
| 18:43.06 | Guilt | pulls a trigger ;) |
| 18:43.10 | DaveLab | shit is still broke yo |
| 18:43.13 | DaveLab | :( |
| 18:43.24 | DaveLab | Won't boot! |
| 18:43.27 | Guilt | well. i've got no idea. and hardly any patience to do a bitbake |
| 18:43.31 | Guilt | DaveLab: :( |
| 18:43.50 | DaveLab | Honestly Guilt, I've seen more success overall from bitbake users here, than toolchain builds. |
| 18:44.04 | Guilt | sigh. :( so i need to build it all, uh. |
| 18:44.12 | Guilt | man. this is so fucking bad! |
| 18:44.27 | Guilt | and gtk takes about a whole day to build |
| 18:44.59 | Guilt | DaveLab: if you have a working setup, i want you to build just _one_ package for me. |
| 18:45.28 | Guilt | or anybody. just one package. |
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| 18:45.57 | Guilt | http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/60/openmoko-panel-alarm-0.1.tar.gz <- DaveLab |
| 18:46.12 | DaveLab | Guilt, what is it? :D |
| 18:46.19 | DaveLab | oh :P |
| 18:46.25 | DaveLab | hrm |
| 18:49.16 | DaveLab | Guilt, I can certainly try :) |
| 18:49.40 | DaveLab | it would be easier if my fucking build phone booted :D |
| 18:50.49 | Guilt | do we have a thermal monitor of some sort? |
| 18:50.51 | Guilt | acpi-like? |
| 18:51.11 | torindel | rofl |
| 18:52.30 | torindel | i typed pin 3 times (and i can swear it was ok), ended up with saying that card was blocked, i inserted sim into old nokia and card wasnt blocked and pin worked |
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| 18:52.55 | torindel | after that it started working again in moko o_O |
| 18:53.19 | Guilt | DaveLab: it's probably very important to let the whole thing cool down; or even step down the processor |
| 18:53.24 | Guilt | in case it heats up. |
| 18:53.26 | Chox | step it up! |
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| 18:53.47 | Chox | melted freerunneriscile |
| 18:53.57 | Guilt | i hate a melted $$$ |
| 18:54.00 | Guilt | :( |
| 18:54.09 | Guilt | these things dont grow on trees apparently |
| 18:54.24 | Chox | grown by the US Govt. |
| 18:54.40 | Guilt | yeah. but you can't grow it in your yard |
| 18:54.43 | Guilt | it's illegal. |
| 18:54.51 | Chox | doesn't stop them. |
| 18:55.06 | Guilt | yeah. but they probably get behind bars for that |
| 18:55.13 | mag- | yeah money should be open sourced :> |
| 18:55.19 | Guilt | heh heh |
| 18:55.24 | Guilt | MYOM |
| 18:55.52 | Guilt | (make your own money) |
| 18:55.55 | Chox | you'd still complain about being able to find a suitable moneychain |
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| 18:56.16 | Guilt | yeah because setting up a moneychain is complicated |
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| 18:56.52 | Guilt | it should be productive, you know. |
| 18:57.21 | Guilt | they should fix the wheel when they make it. not wait for everyone to fix it again |
| 18:57.41 | DaveLab | cross compile me! |
| 18:57.51 | Guilt | if we had done that, we'd be back in those middle ages by now. |
| 18:58.07 | DaveLab | Guilt, it still doesn't get past the flickery booting orange OM screen :( |
| 18:58.17 | DaveLab | anyone else had this before? |
| 18:58.20 | Guilt | DaveLab: can you flash it? |
| 18:58.22 | Guilt | with nand? |
| 18:58.25 | Guilt | or with nor? |
| 18:58.26 | DaveLab | yeah, NOR |
| 18:58.34 | DaveLab | I can, and it will probably resolve the issue |
| 18:58.38 | Guilt | okay. flash it, reboot it. |
| 18:58.39 | DaveLab | but clearly this is not a good thing :P |
| 18:58.44 | Guilt | because i had to do this twice |
| 18:58.51 | DaveLab | it'd be similarly nice to find out what the fuck cuases this! |
| 18:58.52 | DaveLab | :O |
| 18:58.53 | Guilt | when i did a opkg upgrade. |
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| 18:58.58 | DaveLab | EXPLODING OPENMOKOS |
| 18:59.04 | DaveLab | When they get very hot, I get worried |
| 18:59.06 | Guilt | eh? u mean it exploded? |
| 18:59.11 | Guilt | tripped? |
| 18:59.12 | DaveLab | also, I melted a screen protector already :( |
| 18:59.15 | Chox | your women? |
| 18:59.18 | Guilt | shit |
| 18:59.24 | DaveLab | and tripped the battery temp sensor |
| 18:59.34 | Guilt | DaveLab: what about a replacement? |
| 18:59.45 | Guilt | ask Steven |
| 18:59.46 | DaveLab | I left two of them plugged into AC for 24-48hr, when I came back to them, they were both OFF, and extremely hot |
| 18:59.54 | Guilt | Ooooooooooh |
| 18:59.57 | Guilt | :o |
| 19:00.03 | DaveLab | JOerg and I figured somehow they got so hot they tripped the internal sensor and they shut off |
| 19:00.10 | DaveLab | (the battery did, anyway) |
| 19:00.14 | Guilt | DaveLab: must be a leaky battery? |
| 19:00.18 | DaveLab | who knows! |
| 19:00.24 | DaveLab | I've had terrible battery success already |
| 19:00.30 | DaveLab | I have one I still need to fully discharge |
| 19:00.34 | Guilt | you know, my battery today discharged in about an hour |
| 19:00.40 | Guilt | i'm worried myself. |
| 19:00.41 | DaveLab | because it's worn, only hits ~58% |
| 19:00.42 | DaveLab | yeah |
| 19:00.46 | Chox | http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/tech/20080730-1135-med-oblivioustexters.html |
| 19:00.47 | DaveLab | :( |
| 19:00.57 | DaveLab | Chox -_- |
| 19:01.04 | DaveLab | yo chox |
| 19:01.17 | Guilt | DaveLab: be careful not to put a OM in your pocket |
| 19:01.28 | Guilt | because apparently once a LG phone exploded and a guy died |
| 19:01.28 | DaveLab | Guilt, why? :O |
| 19:01.35 | DaveLab | hahaha |
| 19:01.37 | DaveLab | holy shit |
| 19:01.39 | DaveLab | that happened to me :D |
| 19:01.44 | Chox | DeadDave? |
| 19:01.45 | Guilt | no shit bro |
| 19:01.46 | DaveLab | I blew up my VX8100's battery |
| 19:01.51 | Guilt | :o |
| 19:01.57 | DaveLab | shit looked like it was pregnant |
| 19:02.01 | DaveLab | the back cover was popping off |
| 19:02.04 | DaveLab | but I kept going! |
| 19:02.05 | DaveLab | D: |
| 19:02.10 | DaveLab | probably stupid in retrospect |
| 19:02.14 | DaveLab | glad I didn't die? |
| 19:02.17 | DaveLab | :x |
| 19:02.27 | DaveLab | that sounds pretty scary, if a guy died from an exploding phone |
| 19:02.32 | DaveLab | Seriously though, I swear |
| 19:02.39 | Guilt | DaveLab: could you pass me those alsa sound state files? |
| 19:02.48 | DaveLab | TSA is checking people's shoes? they should be confiscating people's cellphones |
| 19:02.55 | DaveLab | come on, cellphone grenades? |
| 19:03.03 | DaveLab | terrorists win! |
| 19:03.11 | DaveLab | Guilt, the new ones? |
| 19:03.19 | Chox | my toothpaste is actually plastique explosive! |
| 19:03.25 | DaveLab | surprise! |
| 19:03.32 | DaveLab | I like not having to fly commercial. |
| 19:03.35 | DaveLab | Fuck TSA. |
| 19:03.46 | Guilt | yes |
| 19:03.49 | Chox | take AMTrak :p |
| 19:03.49 | DaveLab | I'll bring all the liquid I want on my flight, thank you! |
| 19:03.54 | Chox | at least that has a bar. |
| 19:03.55 | DaveLab | bah |
| 19:04.06 | DaveLab | Chox: Don't make me come down there! |
| 19:04.14 | Chox | bar! |
| 19:04.18 | Guilt | i'm getting lots of gstreamer errors. |
| 19:04.20 | Guilt | gah; |
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| 19:04.30 | DaveLab | You're freerunner will be the next earthquake epicenter! |
| 19:04.36 | Chox | is a freerunner |
| 19:04.45 | Guilt | is totem/gmplayer a good idea for the FR? |
| 19:05.28 | DaveLab | The worst part is, I needed something off this freerunner, bah! |
| 19:05.31 | DaveLab | I guess I'll flash it :( |
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| 19:06.32 | Guilt | DaveLab: next time attempt a nfs mount |
| 19:06.44 | Guilt | and keep your data there until you think it's safe to keep it |
| 19:06.47 | Guilt | even the cfcard |
| 19:07.54 | Chox | Dave: you're in bay area? or LA? |
| 19:07.54 | DaveLab | Flashing! |
| 19:07.54 | mickeyl | totem may be a bit on the fat side |
| 19:07.54 | DaveLab | fuck socal |
| 19:07.54 | Chox | Streaking! |
| 19:07.55 | mickeyl | but worth a try |
| 19:07.55 | DaveLab | Bay Areaaaaaaa Baaaaaaaby \o/ |
| 19:07.55 | Chox | only 14 hours on teh amtrak :o |
| 19:07.55 | DaveLab | Guilt, sounds scary :) |
| 19:07.55 | DaveLab | mickeyl, fix our freerunners! |
| 19:07.58 | DaveLab | Chox, fuck that? |
| 19:07.59 | Chox | mickeyl: shame. |
| 19:08.06 | DaveLab | I'll drive, thanks. |
| 19:08.14 | DaveLab | teh five ftw |
| 19:08.20 | Chox | actually, you could do a chater flight into Carlsbad Palomar airport. that's only 2 miles from me. |
| 19:08.27 | DaveLab | ooh sweet |
| 19:08.33 | DaveLab | I could probably land there |
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| 19:08.49 | DaveLab | or at SNA and drive the rest of the way :) |
| 19:08.59 | Guilt | okay, great. the dec 2007 toolchain isnt any better |
| 19:09.04 | Guilt | the error now is: okay. great. the |
| 19:09.06 | DaveLab | Guilt, you noticed this :D |
| 19:09.07 | Chox | SNA isn't far |
| 19:09.10 | Guilt | i mean: sample-main.c:19:21: error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory |
| 19:09.16 | DaveLab | Chox, I know. |
| 19:09.23 | Guilt | wtf |
| 19:09.28 | DaveLab | Guilt o_O |
| 19:09.32 | DaveLab | What are you doing to it!? |
| 19:09.51 | Chox | http://maps.google.com/maps?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=sna&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl |
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| 19:09.53 | Guilt | DaveLab: om-conf |
| 19:09.54 | Guilt | make |
| 19:10.03 | Chox | not my exact address, but right zipcode :p |
| 19:10.10 | Chox | gah |
| 19:10.20 | Chox | http://maps.google.com/maps?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=sna&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl |
| 19:10.23 | Chox | slaps google. |
| 19:10.32 | Chox | http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=John+Wayne-Terminal+A%26B+Arrivals+(John+Wayne+Airport)&geocode=&dirflg=&daddr=92011&f=d&hl=en&sll=33.68211,-117.85917&sspn=0.055209,0.075102&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=10 |
| 19:10.35 | Chox | there |
| 19:11.12 | DaveLab | Guilt, oy -_- |
| 19:11.19 | DaveLab | Guilt, fucking ./configure first! |
| 19:11.27 | DaveLab | Chox, what the hell are you on about now? |
| 19:11.43 | Chox | 1 hour drive from SNA to 92011 :p |
| 19:11.47 | Chox | my hell. |
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| 19:12.12 | DaveLab | I KNOW |
| 19:12.14 | DaveLab | :P |
| 19:12.21 | DaveLab | starts a fire in Chocky's backyard |
| 19:12.24 | Chox | I know, you KNOW, I was just being exact |
| 19:12.27 | DaveLab | BBQ |
| 19:12.33 | DaveLab | Alright, well, thanks for the clarification :P |
| 19:12.44 | Chox | Giraffes. |
| 19:13.09 | DaveLab | CRCFAIL buffet |
| 19:13.21 | Chox | WArren? |
| 19:13.25 | DaveLab | PANIC! |
| 19:13.37 | DaveLab | drops his freerunner because it's hot |
| 19:13.54 | DaveLab | :p |
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| 19:14.04 | Chox | use the BBQ utensils |
| 19:14.05 | bricode | Sweet. Freerunners now available at the Linuxcaffe in Toronto. |
| 19:14.19 | DaveLab | :) |
| 19:14.33 | DaveLab | bricode, I bet they come in bags too, just for you! |
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| 19:14.36 | Chox | hah. I saw a Jesus fish the other day on a car. Except it said "Linux" |
| 19:14.39 | DaveLab | high-fives Chox |
| 19:14.50 | DaveLab | Chox, yeah, I've seen that. |
| 19:15.04 | Chox | http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/stickers/2898/ |
| 19:15.10 | DaveLab | hopes Chocky's license plate says something particular. |
| 19:15.17 | Chox | sadly not. |
| 19:15.28 | Chox | I'm not sure whether a Ford Freestlye is deserving. |
| 19:17.04 | tunys | Helloes |
| 19:17.07 | DaveLab | :| |
| 19:17.11 | DaveLab | good point |
| 19:17.15 | tunys | Are there any 850's left in the store? |
| 19:17.22 | Chox | if you can see some, then yes |
| 19:17.27 | Chox | if not, then no. |
| 19:17.36 | tunys | oic |
| 19:17.37 | bricode | tunys: 850's available at Koolu.com (note: I work for them). |
| 19:17.44 | tunys | bricode: O RLY? |
| 19:17.49 | bricode | tunys: Yep. |
| 19:17.56 | bricode | tunys: Ships from Canada. |
| 19:18.06 | Chox | read "Sun Chips from Canada" |
| 19:18.11 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 19:18.22 | SpeedEvil | (in store) |
| 19:18.33 | DaveLab | Speedevil! |
| 19:18.37 | tunys | Oh, they have Android on them :( |
| 19:18.43 | DaveLab | What went wrong with my freerunner? |
| 19:18.44 | tunys | SpeedEvil: When will there be? |
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| 19:19.16 | mmontour | bricode: do the Koolu phones have the GPS/SD capacitor fix applied? |
| 19:19.20 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. Freerunner is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. | Developers should join #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
| 19:19.36 | Chox | SpeedTopic |
| 19:19.42 | bricode | tunys: Actually we're shipping with Openmoko, and will be until Android is available as an option. |
| 19:19.50 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. | Developers should join #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
| 19:19.51 | tunys | oic |
| 19:20.13 | tunys | bricode: when will Android be an option? |
| 19:20.21 | bricode | mmontour: This current round, no, but next round from my understanding, yes. |
| 19:20.33 | bricode | mmontour: From my reading the s/w fix seems to work reasonably well. |
| 19:20.41 | bricode | tunys: I can't really comment on that. |
| 19:20.46 | tunys | oic |
| 19:21.03 | tunys | next round of handsets? when is that? |
| 19:21.46 | Guilt | DaveLab: i hope this works: http://pastebin.ca/1087500 |
| 19:22.00 | mmontour | bricode: it seems to still be an open question - I've seen at least 1 report that position accuracy is still degraded when the SD card is accessed (but that was before Andy's latest set of patches) |
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| 19:22.32 | tunys | When did Pastebin get ugly like that? |
| 19:22.57 | Chox | when someone added the .ca bit |
| 19:23.08 | Chox | :D |
| 19:23.14 | tunys | :P |
| 19:23.14 | bricode | tunys: Depends if you mean 850's or 900's. |
| 19:23.22 | tunys | 850s |
| 19:24.28 | bricode | tunys: Next batch with cap fix? When the current stock is done. |
| 19:24.57 | tunys | It sounds like you have a lot available |
| 19:25.54 | LionKMP | I got one with no cap fix, i wonder if it's better to send back to Germany or find someone able to do the soldering :( |
| 19:26.25 | mmontour | LionKMP: try the software fixes first. They do seem to work for many people. |
| 19:26.59 | torindel | software fixes turns off sd card right? |
| 19:27.06 | LionKMP | hm, ok thanks. (I can't use it yet, but I'll learn.) |
| 19:28.22 | mmontour | torindel: there are several fixes. The main one turns off a clock line to the SD when it is idle. Another recent fix slows down the SD clock whenever the GPS is powered up |
| 19:28.37 | SpeedEvil | It's not slows down AIUI. |
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| 19:28.46 | SpeedEvil | It's reduces the SD drive strength. |
| 19:29.45 | mmontour | SpeedEvil: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-July/004123.html (not the drive-strength one) |
| 19:29.46 | torindel | SpeedEvil: does it fully fixes it or we still get (smaller) gps problems? |
| 19:30.13 | SpeedEvil | torpor: mail me a freerunner, and I'll tell you. |
| 19:30.24 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: oh |
| 19:30.25 | torindel | (i'm thinking about situation with map on sd card) |
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| 19:30.40 | SpeedEvil | torpor: actually no. To be statistically significant, mail me 5 :) |
| 19:33.08 | Chox | laffs. |
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| 19:38.22 | bricode | mmontour: the SD clock interferes not because of the clock itself, but because the edges create 1.5 Ghz harmonics. |
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| 19:39.25 | bricode | mmontour: the capacitor would help to change where the harmonics happen, but so does changing the driving strength of the sd_clk. |
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| 19:40.21 | Rigolo | bricode: and when that is done ... there is no speed decrease or anything on the SD ? |
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| 19:41.12 | bricode | Rigolo: I would guess that there shouldn't be. The SD clock is still functioning at 16 MHz. |
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| 19:41.24 | torindel | Rigolo: decreasing signal strength wont change speed but can cause errors on some cards |
| 19:41.30 | bricode | Rigolo: To be fair, I haven't done real world benchmarking. |
| 19:41.51 | torindel | (if its just singal strength) |
| 19:41.54 | Chox | muh/. |
| 19:41.55 | uzytkownik | Is it true: http://trac.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example/roadmap ? |
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| 19:42.39 | Rigolo | torindel: bricode thanks for the explainations |
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| 19:42.55 | darkjames | Hi |
| 19:43.19 | Chox | moo. |
| 19:43.19 | bricode | torindel: I would imagine it would depend on how sensitive the cards are to the shape of the sd_clk edge. |
| 19:43.20 | Rigolo | just reads about a new piece of hardware that we need on the GTA03 on slashdot :-) |
| 19:43.35 | Rigolo | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/30/1823203 |
| 19:43.40 | Chox | http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/ |
| 19:43.54 | torindel | Rigolo: looks like they rearanged what goes to what milestone today |
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| 19:44.52 | torindel | bricode: yea, and if you got shitty card you could always increase timings to nullify that |
| 19:44.57 | Guilt | shit. i give up. so much to FIX. |
| 19:45.09 | Guilt | i can't sed every file out there |
| 19:45.15 | Guilt | every fucking pattern |
| 19:45.23 | Chox | and you wonders why they started over with FSO :o |
| 19:45.33 | Guilt | why? |
| 19:45.41 | Chox | calls CaptnObvious |
| 19:45.47 | bricode | torindel: yeah, it's pretty tricky getting 3 radios and antennas to play nice in a device. |
| 19:46.27 | johnsu01 | Might be of interest: a follow-up on the openmoko, iphone, gplv3, http://www.reddit.com/comments/6u6q4/why_free_software_and_apples_iphone_dont_mix/ |
| 19:46.39 | CaptObviousman | yarr? |
| 19:47.05 | CaptObviousman | stares at Chox |
| 19:47.16 | DaveLab | yarrrrr |
| 19:47.20 | Chox | too much to fix -> therefore FSO |
| 19:47.33 | DaveLab | heh |
| 19:47.45 | DaveLab | bricode, I demand more antennas! |
| 19:48.46 | bricode | DaveLab: Just make a general device and sort it all out in software :) |
| 19:49.07 | Rigolo | wants to have GNUradio in the GTA03 :-) |
| 19:49.08 | Chox | software radio! |
| 19:49.11 | yoyo__ | yy in which py is Xlib.display module? |
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| 19:51.23 | torindel | Chox: you remeber old funny soft to use crt monitors as am radio transmiter? |
| 19:51.43 | Chox | doesn't, but not surprised |
| 19:52.18 | Guilt | wait. joy. the script works now. |
| 19:52.20 | Rigolo | torindel: I think I even read about some software that used it to transmit TV via a UHF signal or something like that |
| 19:52.21 | Guilt | the sample builds. |
| 19:52.28 | Rigolo | (short distance though) |
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| 19:52.46 | DaveLab | TV on openmoko!? |
| 19:52.50 | DaveLab | FRTV? |
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| 19:53.04 | Rigolo | DaveLab: just stream it via GPRS ... |
| 19:53.07 | Guilt | here is the fixed fix: http://pastebin.ca/1087544 |
| 19:53.15 | Guilt | Chox: Dave ^^ |
| 19:53.20 | DaveLab | o_O |
| 19:53.28 | DaveLab | Rigolo, hell no :) |
| 19:53.32 | DaveLab | too slow |
| 19:53.35 | torindel | DaveLab: just make your own plugin for mplayer to change it to streaming server from pc with tv card -__-; |
| 19:53.44 | DaveLab | torindel: too much work |
| 19:53.50 | Guilt | now i need to get to fix these dependancies: libmokopanelui2 libnotify |
| 19:53.53 | DaveLab | and mplayer *barely* works, as far as I know, on freerunner. |
| 19:54.06 | Rigolo | DaveLab: it's all in the compression ... :-) |
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| 19:54.29 | Rigolo | DaveLab: well .. Balrog disagrees on that .. at least a bit |
| 19:54.32 | DaveLab | Guilt, so it just couldn't find them, because they weren't updated? :P |
| 19:54.36 | DaveLab | Rigolo, hah |
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| 19:54.44 | DaveLab | Well, let's just see who winds out there... |
| 19:54.53 | DaveLab | wins |
| 19:55.02 | Guilt | DaveLab: hmm? |
| 19:55.46 | DaveLab | Guikt, regarding your fix. |
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| 19:56.44 | Guilt | yeah. they were in the wrong place |
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| 19:57.35 | Rigolo | http://bellard.org/dvbt/ ... look ... dvb-t from your VGA card :-) |
| 19:57.43 | uzytkownik | Hello. I have 2 questions: |
| 19:57.54 | DaveLab | State your demands! |
| 19:58.06 | uzytkownik | 1. Where is the jffs for FSO Milestone 2 for FreeRunner? |
| 19:58.07 | SpeedEvil | 6 and 7 |
| 19:58.39 | Chox | tuppence and string |
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| 19:58.53 | chomwitt | hi, i want to ask what open source program is recommened to view the cad files? |
| 19:59.07 | uzytkownik | 2. "Notification Actions (SMS, Charger, Suspend/Resume) " Is it mean that I will not be notified by phone if I receive SMS? |
| 19:59.10 | Rigolo | now that is a good question :-) |
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| 20:02.57 | DaveLab | Joerg is sleeping already? o.O |
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| 20:03.53 | Rigolo | chomwitt: I'm not a CAD expert .. but a quick look on the openmoko wiki about formats .. and then on wikipedia gave me BRL-CAD as a BSD/LGPL licensed product that can read the formats provided |
| 20:04.04 | Rigolo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_CAD_software .. wikipedia page |
| 20:04.09 | DaveLab | ahahahah |
| 20:04.14 | Rigolo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_case_schematics |
| 20:04.52 | chomwitt | Rigolo: thanks!. i'll check them. |
| 20:06.07 | DaveLab | offers chox some pizza |
| 20:06.19 | Chox | :D ! |
| 20:06.59 | Rigolo | chomwitt: well there is even a #brlcad right here on freenode :-) |
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| 20:08.40 | Rigolo | chomwitt: and when you are going to do anything with it ... can you convert the CAD files to DXF format (as requested on the openmoko wiki) |
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| 20:09.50 | Guilt | DaveLab: where can find libnotify and libmokouipanel2? |
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| 20:10.39 | caonabo | Rigolo: ok. i'm not exactly expert but i'll check it. |
| 20:10.44 | Chox | Relax! Don't do it! |
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| 20:12.49 | DaveLab | libmokoui2 doesn't exist still, as far as I know |
| 20:12.53 | DaveLab | but libnotifyxx.. |
| 20:13.10 | DaveLab | let me see |
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| 20:14.00 | DaveLab | Guilt: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libenotify0_0.1.0.042+cvs20080722-r5.02_armv4t.ipk |
| 20:14.08 | DaveLab | is that what you wanted? :P |
| 20:14.14 | DaveLab | oops, nevermind :D |
| 20:14.23 | DaveLab | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libnotify_0.4.4-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 20:14.24 | DaveLab | there |
| 20:14.48 | DaveLab | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libmokoui2-0_0.1.0+svnr4342-r2_armv4t.ipk |
| 20:15.25 | Guilt | DaveLab: i wanted the source for building this alarm thing |
| 20:15.39 | Guilt | apparently i cant install the ipk to /usr/local as well. because opkg is borken |
| 20:15.45 | Guilt | i need the opkg-cl binary |
| 20:16.15 | Guilt | i'm trying to get my mobile usable in 2007.2 |
| 20:16.42 | torindel | Guilt: better go and help with fso ;] |
| 20:16.57 | Guilt | whats fso? |
| 20:16.59 | DaveLab | guilt? o_o |
| 20:17.06 | DaveLab | heehee |
| 20:17.13 | Guilt | the milestone 1 2 thingies? |
| 20:17.24 | Guilt | the framework? |
| 20:17.33 | torindel | yep |
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| 20:17.58 | DaveLab | opkg bbq |
| 20:18.19 | Candelagirl | hello |
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| 20:18.58 | DaveLab | Hello |
| 20:19.03 | DaveLab | What can we do for you? |
| 20:19.10 | rddDavid51 | Guilt: I found opkg-cl in poky SDK |
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| 20:19.24 | Chox | BBQSDK! |
| 20:19.29 | DaveLab | hot :p |
| 20:19.33 | malik1972 | lpotter: ping |
| 20:19.48 | DaveLab | qpkg install lpotter |
| 20:19.50 | DaveLab | >:) |
| 20:19.54 | rddDavid51 | don't know if it's txe rigxt place but copied it from txere and it worked for me |
| 20:19.59 | Chox | dpkg --purge Dave |
| 20:20.03 | DaveLab | :O |
| 20:20.05 | DaveLab | nevar! |
| 20:20.20 | lpotter | malik1972: pong |
| 20:20.41 | Chox | dpkg --purge $(daveorphan --guess-all) |
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| 20:20.58 | Guilt | rddDavid51: link? |
| 20:21.03 | malik1972 | lpotter: hi, any news concerning 4.4? |
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| 20:22.15 | rddDavid51 | Guilt: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/07/17/using-poky-sdk-to-build-software/ |
| 20:22.40 | lpotter | only that is still in the works :) |
| 20:23.00 | Guilt | thanks :-) |
| 20:23.14 | malik1972 | lpotter: and one stupid question:-) is qtopia designed for multiple tasks or did i missed some features? |
| 20:23.57 | kelvie | does the qtopia package suffer from the same battery life issues? |
| 20:24.10 | DaveLab | Chox :D |
| 20:24.11 | lpotter | malik1972: hold the AUX button in |
| 20:24.17 | DaveLab | lpotter, how's qpkg? |
| 20:24.41 | lpotter | DaveLab: umm,, its ok? |
| 20:25.26 | malik1972 | lpotter: really:-) oh man ... |
| 20:25.48 | DaveLab | is it, really? |
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| 20:25.53 | DaveLab | Hello kelvie :P |
| 20:26.07 | DaveLab | kelive, what issues? Is it not supposed to just suck? :D |
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| 20:27.15 | DaveLab | Man, I'm about to blow this popsicle stand. |
| 20:27.26 | kelvie | DaveLab: as.. same as the ASU or FSO :p |
| 20:27.33 | malik1972 | lpotter: 4.4 will include a web browser and simple gps location software? what about wpa2 |
| 20:27.46 | kelvie | for me it wouldn't make a huge difference, my phone right now only lasts about 2 days w/ standby |
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| 20:28.04 | Guilt | i could just _shift_ to Poky if it works |
| 20:28.59 | DaveLab | :p |
| 20:29.00 | DaveLab | yeah :D |
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| 20:35.45 | rddDavid51 | Guilt: I didn't try poky, I just pick opkg-cl from there |
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| 20:36.26 | Stroller | waves |
| 20:36.29 | Stroller | Evening, all |
| 20:36.36 | shona | hi all |
| 20:36.43 | Guilt | m |
| 20:36.48 | Pyrasi | hi |
| 20:36.48 | lpotter | malik1972: wpa should be working currently, but route is still messed |
| 20:36.53 | shona | I am making a banner for a FOSS event which has OM talks also |
| 20:36.57 | Guilt | how do i test a regexp in shell? |
| 20:37.08 | Guilt | like if patmatch \.la$ |
| 20:37.14 | shona | is it correct to write "Free & Open Source Software & Hardware"? |
| 20:37.23 | Guilt | and it return true/false |
| 20:37.28 | Pyrasi | use perl instead of the shell? |
| 20:37.29 | Guilt | can we do that in sed? |
| 20:37.51 | theocrite | You can try with ls -1 | grep -E $REGEX |
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| 20:38.49 | Guilt | thanks |
| 20:38.49 | Chox | OSS BBQ |
| 20:40.30 | lpotter | malik1972: i just havent updated it yet |
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| 20:42.23 | theocrite | Guilt: yw |
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| 20:48.31 | tkep | linux! |
| 20:48.40 | Chox | but not RH! |
| 20:48.50 | darkjames | wny not rh? |
| 20:48.55 | darkjames | sorry, why not rh? |
| 20:49.07 | Chox | cos we haven't had today's distro war yet. |
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| 20:49.31 | darkjames | :) have fun. |
| 20:49.40 | Guilt | we use if [ $x -gt 1 ]; etc in shell for comparison, right? |
| 20:49.50 | Chox | if you want to :p |
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| 20:50.01 | Chox | but check that $x is an actual number |
| 20:51.09 | tuXXX | I'd say : if [ "$x" -gt 1 ], this way, there is no error if x is not defined |
| 20:51.22 | Chox | tuXXX: yes, there will be, if it's not a number. like I said. |
| 20:51.29 | Chox | :o |
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| 20:58.54 | Guilt | how do i escape a string of the form /usr/ to \/usr |
| 20:59.05 | Guilt | i mean, i need to feed that back to sed |
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| 21:00.04 | donomo | \/usr\/ is the escaped form of /usr/ |
| 21:00.15 | Rigolo | scared for a moment ... my precious laserpointer/stylus stoped working ... |
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| 21:00.30 | donomo | Rigolo: you can have mine. |
| 21:00.47 | Rigolo | donomo: if you pay postage .. you can mail it to me :-) |
| 21:01.16 | donomo | heh. no way jose. |
| 21:01.37 | Rigolo | donomo: must be cheap ... simple pen :-) |
| 21:01.51 | Guilt | yeah. i need to do that |
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| 21:03.11 | jmho | hi, I think I bricked my freerunner just with the first update. now it is not booting, and trying to boot from NAND gives my "Bad magic number". any ideas what I can do? |
| 21:03.25 | Chox | that's not bricked :p |
| 21:03.30 | malik1972 | lpotter: yes, wpa2 would be a good feature in the next update |
| 21:03.34 | Chox | but it sounds like you flash into the wrong partition |
| 21:04.18 | jmho | Chox: hm I'm not aware that I'm flashing anything, I was just doing a "opkg upgrade" |
| 21:04.28 | Chox | ho ho. |
| 21:04.59 | Rigolo | mmm isn't that fixed already? |
| 21:04.59 | jmho | Chox: ? |
| 21:05.02 | Chox | ! |
| 21:05.22 | Chox | depends when you did opkg update, etc. |
| 21:05.30 | Chox | you'll want to reflash your kernel |
| 21:05.35 | Rigolo | jmho: are you using the standard Freerunner image .. that came with the phone? |
| 21:05.35 | jmho | Chox: just before |
| 21:05.44 | jmho | Rigolo: yes |
| 21:06.08 | Rigolo | mmm weird .. does the release image point to buggy kernels? |
| 21:06.28 | jmho | Rigolo: how can I find out? |
| 21:06.47 | Rigolo | jmho: well .. like Chox said ... try flashing the kernel from July 27th to your phone ... |
| 21:06.55 | Stroller | There were some bad kernel images on the servers. I thought they'd been removed this afternoon. |
| 21:07.11 | Stroller | Has been discussed on -community |
| 21:07.15 | jmho | Rigolo: ok, is it possible without debug board? |
| 21:07.24 | mmaestri | how's compatibility between Nokia N810 and our FR? in terms of arch and libs available |
| 21:07.28 | Rigolo | Stroller: but then he should reflash the release kernel? |
| 21:07.36 | Rigolo | jmho: yes .. it is not "dead" .. |
| 21:07.42 | Rigolo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
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| 21:08.00 | Candelagirl | hello |
| 21:08.10 | jmho | Rigolo: great, thx :) will try and report |
| 21:08.14 | flexd|gruu | hey |
| 21:08.16 | Stroller | Rigolo: I think there are recent ones that are ok. All the problems I read of were people using "opkg upgrade" |
| 21:08.22 | Stroller | Hey, Candelagirl |
| 21:08.39 | feydreva | I did a "opkg upgrade" few hours ago, from a new phone.. and it worked fine... |
| 21:08.48 | Rigolo | jmho: well .. you do not yet know whick kernel to flash ... |
| 21:09.10 | jmho | Rigolo: hm yes, I thought of 27th |
| 21:09.26 | jmho | Rigolo: are there more than one? |
| 21:09.27 | Rigolo | Stroller: so just the release kernel from here? http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ |
| 21:09.29 | feydreva | i have a question, when I receive a call, the phone vibrate... how to I get it to ring ? :) |
| 21:10.00 | flexd | feydreva I did that last week |
| 21:10.02 | flexd | It *works* |
| 21:10.03 | flexd | but |
| 21:10.07 | flexd | my avg. load is 2.85 |
| 21:10.15 | flexd | so battery lasts like 2hours tops :( |
| 21:10.20 | Rigolo | jmho: yes there are more ... but because you use the "standard" image .. you can most likely not use the july 27th one |
| 21:10.36 | jmho | Rigolo: ah ok |
| 21:10.47 | Stroller | Rigolo: I'm honestly not sure. I only commented so you had a first point of reference. Check the -community mailing list. (or jmho should) |
| 21:10.55 | flexd | anyway, http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080730/ which of these should i flash my phone with? i know i need the uImage, but what else of the files? |
| 21:11.53 | Rigolo | jmho: well ... check the mailing list ... but I think because you use a standard image you should use a "release" kernel |
| 21:12.05 | Rigolo | flexd: probably none of those :-) |
| 21:12.15 | flexd | Rigolo: oh :) |
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| 21:12.21 | jmho | Rigolo: ok, thx |
| 21:12.34 | Rigolo | flexd: there is only a kernel image ..and a uboot image .. |
| 21:12.55 | Rigolo | flexd: but I think you are looking for a rootfs image (jffs2) |
| 21:12.56 | Candelagirl | soy española |
| 21:13.01 | CVirus | The FreeRunner has been out there for over a month now ... is there any word about the sales numbers ? |
| 21:13.11 | flexd | Rigolo: yes |
| 21:13.13 | Rigolo | at least one :-) |
| 21:13.22 | flexd | But dont i need to flash both uboot and rootfs ? |
| 21:13.24 | CVirus | hehe |
| 21:13.26 | flexd | Or can i just flash rootfs? |
| 21:13.26 | Rigolo | flexd: then have a look at july 22th ... |
| 21:13.26 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: I think between 500 and 750 from the US store. |
| 21:13.37 | Stroller | CVirus: I don't think they'll be released until Openmoko is FAR more successful. |
| 21:13.44 | Rigolo | flexd: rootfs and kernel should match |
| 21:14.04 | Stroller | SpeedEvil: I thought the US store processed a couple of thousand orders per day the first couple of days |
| 21:14.06 | Rigolo | or .. it is better that they match |
| 21:14.11 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: let's assume the resellers got like 800 units ? |
| 21:14.14 | flexd | Yes, so i would have to flash both of them, not just one or the other |
| 21:14.41 | Rigolo | and the latest jffs2 images can be found on july 22th |
| 21:14.44 | SpeedEvil | Stroller: there were a couple of thousand tickets - yes. And some were assuming a 1:1 relationship - but ro h stated that there wasn't. |
| 21:15.01 | Stroller | Right, because some would be group sales |
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| 21:15.06 | SpeedEvil | Stroller: I'm basing mine off the result of what happened when you added 999 freerunners to your cart. |
| 21:15.19 | Stroller | SpeedEvil: what was that? |
| 21:15.19 | SpeedEvil | Stroller: err - no, that'd be off the other way |
| 21:15.27 | Stroller | I assumed more sold than tickets. |
| 21:15.32 | SpeedEvil | Stroller: http://www.mauve.plus.com/Freerunner.gif |
| 21:15.39 | SpeedEvil | more tickets than sold |
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| 21:16.12 | SpeedEvil | Stroller: that graph was the numbers the shop was reporting available at that time. |
| 21:16.14 | flexd | Rigolo: Nice, thanks :) Finally i can have a somewhat useful phone again |
| 21:16.19 | Stroller | looks confusled |
| 21:16.44 | SpeedEvil | Stroller: I have real doubts as to the 250 high lump in the middle - I note 250 go in, and 250 go out. |
| 21:16.56 | flexd | It's been my only phone the past few days, 2hours battery time is really really bad :p |
| 21:17.04 | SpeedEvil | And if you remove it, it's quite a nice log graph |
| 21:17.09 | Stroller | I guess you're right, SpeedEvil |
| 21:17.27 | Rigolo | flexd: well ... good luck then ... but keep in mind that it is still under development ..and it might break again |
| 21:17.39 | flexd | Rigolo: yes, ofcourse |
| 21:17.53 | SpeedEvil | Stroller: I am unsure, that'd imply about a thousand likely in the first batch. |
| 21:17.56 | flexd | I have another phone, but i spent the past two weeks at our summer house by the sea :) |
| 21:18.06 | flexd | without a charger, so tinkering with the FR was all i had :D |
| 21:18.17 | Stroller | SpeedEvil: I'm happy with that as a ballpark |
| 21:18.26 | Rigolo | flexd: and do not do a blind opkg update/upgrade ... perform a opkg -test upgrade at least to see what it wants to do |
| 21:19.17 | Rigolo | FR arrived the day after /me left on holiday :-) |
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| 21:19.56 | flexd | Rigolo: Sounds smart |
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| 21:20.16 | Stroller | SpeedEvil: 500 - 2000 is the same order of magnitude. I was basing 2000 sales, including some of multiple devices + Europe = 3000+ |
| 21:20.46 | flexd | I was trying to fix the GPS, and it was right before i had to leave two weeks ago, so i just tried it quick |
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| 21:25.51 | linuxxr | how do i get the freerunner to register after kernel an rootfs flash |
| 21:26.19 | Chox | shift + / for the question mark. |
| 21:26.21 | Chox | :o |
| 21:26.21 | linuxxr | it registered 1 time afterwards after rebooting |
| 21:26.29 | linuxxr | ok |
| 21:26.39 | CVirus | is 2008.7.1 image ASU ? |
| 21:26.45 | Chox | no. |
| 21:26.46 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.01 | CVirus | Chox: FSO ? |
| 21:27.07 | Chox | GTK |
| 21:27.15 | jmho | Rigolo: so I flashed the kernel, do I have to flash something else or can I just try to boot now? |
| 21:27.27 | CVirus | why the fuck is this one still being maintained ??? |
| 21:27.29 | Chox | well, I presume. what are you looking at? |
| 21:27.31 | Chox | !!! |
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| 21:27.49 | CVirus | isn't it deprecated in favor of ASU and FSO ? |
| 21:27.58 | CVirus | when are they dropping it ffs ? |
| 21:28.09 | bastian_ | hi @ all |
| 21:28.12 | Chox | when it doesn't work better than ASU |
| 21:28.19 | CVirus | hmm |
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| 21:28.31 | feydreva | hum... my FR keep freezng and beeing slow... is it normal ? |
| 21:28.31 | linuxxr | its the 7-22 2008 i think |
| 21:28.39 | Rigolo | jmho: first try to boto and see what happens |
| 21:28.53 | Guilt | guys. |
| 21:28.55 | Guilt | i've got a better fix |
| 21:29.00 | Guilt | for the current chain |
| 21:29.01 | jmho | Rigolo: ok, thx :) |
| 21:29.21 | Guilt | Dave: if you like it, i can put it on the wiki. |
| 21:29.41 | bastian_ | i have a little question: my 2007.2 image hang while i was phoning when i took out the usb-cable. did someone else have this issue?hat anyone |
| 21:30.03 | Guilt | Bigfix for la: http://pastebin.ca/1087654 |
| 21:30.09 | Guilt | ^^ take a look, guys |
| 21:30.12 | jmho | Rigolo: :) it's working :) thanks a lot |
| 21:30.44 | Guilt | that has solved ALL my problems |
| 21:31.24 | feydreva | any idea for my openmoko beeing very slow, and frozen ? |
| 21:35.00 | feydreva | hum |
| 21:35.15 | feydreva | now the phone doesn't start at all :/ |
| 21:38.26 | Guilt | posted. |
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| 21:39.08 | jmho | where can I enter my pin? |
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| 21:41.05 | mrkiko | Hi all! Something about Openmoko Accessibility for blind persons? |
| 21:41.21 | mrkiko | persons=people |
| 21:42.10 | Rigolo | jmho: my image "just asks" for it ... but I;m running a July 22th image |
| 21:42.47 | bastian_ | the actual asu has no keyboard |
| 21:42.49 | jmho | Rigolo: ah ok, that is the kernel image? isn't it a application issues? |
| 21:42.55 | bastian_ | so it doesn't ask |
| 21:43.09 | Rigolo | jmho: not only kernel iamge .. also with a new rootfs |
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| 21:43.32 | jmho | Rigolo: ah ok, so is it save to try them out? |
| 21:43.39 | CVirus | mrkiko: I got no clue but I don't think such thing will be available soon |
| 21:43.50 | mrkiko | Ok ok |
| 21:43.50 | Stroller | mrkiko: you need a verb to make a valid sentence |
| 21:43.53 | Rigolo | jmho: as save as a development image can be :-) |
| 21:43.55 | mrkiko | I'm tired of symbian := |
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| 21:44.08 | Stroller | mrkiko: but I would LOVE my Freerunner to read my emails to me. |
| 21:44.20 | CVirus | festival |
| 21:44.29 | jmho | Rigolo: so I can't destroy my freerunner? I have no problems with flashing again |
| 21:44.47 | confidential1 | just out of curiosity, how many freerunners were shipped to resellers in the second batch? |
| 21:44.53 | SpeedEvil | jmho: don't flash it over 1000 times, and you'll be fine. |
| 21:44.58 | Rigolo | jmho: if you follow the instructions on the wiki you can not really distroy it ... |
| 21:44.59 | Tig| | Stroller: iirc someone was doing something to do with either voice recognition or text to speech as part of the google SoC |
| 21:45.18 | jmho | Rigolo: SpeedEvil: thx |
| 21:45.23 | Stroller | Tig|: voice recognition. But only of pre-programmed phrases, as I read it |
| 21:45.32 | Tig| | ah |
| 21:45.32 | Stroller | CVirus: yeah, it's quite do-able, I just don't have the time, I don't think |
| 21:45.34 | Rigolo | carnival ... text to speech ... on a astriks server .. and then just dial via VoIP |
| 21:45.47 | SpeedEvil | Generic speaker independant voice recognition is hard. |
| 21:45.52 | mw| | I'm taking the night now |
| 21:46.17 | Tig| | SpeedEvil: also a tad more processor hungry than the freerunner has available afaik :) |
| 21:46.27 | mrkiko | Mhm... I may need a screen reader which reads EVERYTHING the os may print. |
| 21:46.28 | SpeedEvil | Tig|: not really. |
| 21:46.55 | jmho | if I "opkg update" it tries to dl some "daily-feed" packages, shouldn't that be restricted to some kind if release packages? |
| 21:46.55 | SpeedEvil | Tig|: I would be quite happy with Dragon Dictate as ran on my PII/200 or so back in the day. |
| 21:47.00 | mrkiko | Is the freerunner completely brickable if something goes wrong while flashing? |
| 21:47.04 | edistar | mrkiko: no |
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| 21:47.18 | SpeedEvil | mrkiko: it has an emergency flash that you canntot write without the debug board. |
| 21:47.27 | nadio | Is it possible to have dual SIM cards on the openmoko? |
| 21:47.34 | nadio | that one can switch between |
| 21:47.35 | edistar | nadio: no |
| 21:47.55 | edistar | nadio: well, not two sims at once ;) you can manually take one out and switch, of course |
| 21:48.44 | Stroller | nadio: it has been discussed to death, and it hasn't been ruled out as a feature for a future phone. |
| 21:49.21 | mrkiko | so, good programmin to all |
| 21:49.25 | mrkiko | I switch off myself :) |
| 21:49.32 | mrkiko | bye |
| 21:49.37 | bastian_ | bye |
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| 21:53.54 | Chox | freebbq |
| 21:54.24 | flexd | SpeedEvil: would it be easier to make it able to record words/commands, and i have it recognize that? And you can tie those "events" to actions? |
| 21:54.51 | flexd | or is that exactly what whoever is working with voice recognition is doing? :) |
| 21:55.21 | Stroller | flexd: that's what they're doing |
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| 21:55.57 | flexd | Stroller: Thought so :) |
| 21:56.22 | flexd | hmmm, doing opkg update && upgrade a few weeks ago really screwed the phone up |
| 21:57.00 | bastian_ | i have never had problems |
| 21:57.03 | flexd | avg. 2.85+ loads, draining the battery within hours, and i seem to have both the normal "standard" bootloader, and the one i saw in the illume intro video (the one with the green, and the boot background) for a few seconds |
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| 21:58.43 | bastian_ | switch off the wifi, then you have much more time |
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| 22:03.35 | flexd | bastian_: That was actually with *everything* disabled, and in suspend |
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| 22:03.56 | flexd | I seem to have gotten two of everything running or something like that :) |
| 22:04.14 | flexd | average load isnt supposed to be above 2.5 at all times? |
| 22:04.26 | bastian_ | what said top? |
| 22:04.28 | flexd | I'm flashing another image now, hopefully it's fixed then |
| 22:04.51 | flexd | i cant remember, i didnt have my laptop with me |
| 22:04.59 | flexd | top doesnt show that much on the tiny screen :p |
| 22:05.34 | bastian_ | if you hide the keyboard you can see a lot more |
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| 22:14.12 | linuxxr | no md5sum with these images doesnt help |
| 22:19.14 | linuxxr | is ther an image u people consider to be better than the default image? |
| 22:21.15 | linuxxr | it seems that if i pull the end of the sim card towards the middle of the phone that my sim works |
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| 22:22.13 | Rigolo | linuxxr: then it looks like you need to take your sim out .. and try to put it back in ... and you did lock it right? |
| 22:22.49 | linuxxr | yes i did |
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| 22:23.06 | Rigolo | needs to pick something from the printer ... brb |
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| 22:23.28 | feydreva | I am little bit disapointed with Openmoko, and the opkg package management |
| 22:24.00 | Rigolo | feydreva: opkg is almost the same as ipkg .. and that is used in a lot of systems |
| 22:24.00 | Stroller | Why's that, feydreva ? |
| 22:24.04 | feydreva | doing a okpg update && opkg upgrade give you a verson of software that is LESS useable, than the one shipped with the phone... |
| 22:24.18 | feydreva | wich is totally non sense.,,, |
| 22:24.27 | Rigolo | feydreva: well .. you are on a development image ... not a stable one |
| 22:24.52 | feydreva | I though things where doing forward :) |
| 22:25.06 | Rigolo | feydreva: and those images are build based on the the latest svn .. and that might break sometimes |
| 22:25.06 | feydreva | so how do I do to get something that work ? |
| 22:25.17 | Stroller | feydreva: that's not really a problem with the package management |
| 22:25.30 | Rigolo | feydreva: well .. be carefull with what you upgrade ... |
| 22:25.31 | torindel | feydreva: do it yourself (tm) |
| 22:25.45 | Chox | .. bbq |
| 22:26.01 | Rigolo | can remember gentoo with ~x86 enable .. that was fun :- |
| 22:26.22 | feydreva | I didi a opkg upgrade, hoping to have a new version of software, better than the basic one shiped with the phone :) |
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| 22:26.55 | Rigolo | feydreva: on a release image? or development image? |
| 22:27.08 | torindel | Rigolo: i go with ** plus svn/git ebuilds ;] |
| 22:27.25 | linuxxr | is that 7222008 a stable release? |
| 22:27.27 | feydreva | i do not know... I openned the opnmoko boxe, read th wiki, it is writeen, do opkg update, opkg upgrade |
| 22:28.03 | Rigolo | torindel: or manually try to recreate an ebuild .. and then have your whole system hosed up :-) |
| 22:28.06 | torindel | linuxxr: which one |
| 22:28.21 | feydreva | Rigolo, so, you can have a dev image or a released image, and if you are in a released image, the upgrade should not messs things up ? |
| 22:28.25 | flexd | I just flashed my phone with http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 22:28.27 | linuxxr | not sure lolol |
| 22:28.30 | Rigolo | linuxxr: stable enough for me ... at least .. I can make calls with it |
| 22:28.31 | flexd | works excellent, even a game here :) |
| 22:28.43 | ahmo | he he, people, look at this joke -> www.microsoft.ba |
| 22:28.47 | torindel | linuxxr: devel should work better than qtopia one |
| 22:28.59 | linuxxr | buy is it a dev release or a stable release? |
| 22:29.29 | flexd | linuxxr: Software is not done yet |
| 22:29.30 | Rigolo | feydreva: it theory yes ... but there was something with the release image that broke things today ... and that was rolled back apparently |
| 22:29.38 | flexd | so it's devel/stable/kinda/maybe :) |
| 22:29.44 | linuxxr | lol |
| 22:29.50 | flexd | Like the topic syas |
| 22:29.56 | feydreva | Rigolo, hum ok.. so if I want to have somthing that work , I need to re-image right ? |
| 22:30.06 | flexd | Im going to use it as a phone daily, it's my only phone atm (i only have one simcard) |
| 22:30.11 | linuxxr | losers of love ckock |
| 22:30.18 | torindel | feydreva: you can always install to sd card to test |
| 22:30.35 | Rigolo | linuxxr: everything comes no warranty :-) |
| 22:31.11 | feydreva | torindel, tlaking about sd card : I installed one... what do you do with it ? I heard putting the /home directoty into it was a good idea ? and you can also put the software on it ? how do you do that ? |
| 22:32.08 | torindel | feydreva: you can even install other image on it and boot it, if you dont want to touch your main partition and reflash it when you want to test diffrent image |
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| 22:32.47 | torindel | (i use it for other image) |
| 22:33.13 | feydreva | torindel, hum... ok, that seems cool :) any wiki page you could send me to ? :P |
| 22:33.54 | feydreva | ok found it :p |
| 22:34.43 | jmho | how do I know which gta02v? image to use? |
| 22:35.05 | torindel | feydreva: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image, and one more w8 |
| 22:36.40 | torindel | jmho: dont touch uboot unless you really need to (and for 99% you dont) |
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| 22:37.03 | jmho | torindel: ok, what about kernel and rootfs? |
| 22:37.19 | torindel | jmho: do as you want here |
| 22:37.20 | Chox | touches uboot. bbq. |
| 22:37.39 | edistar | Chox: naughty boy |
| 22:37.49 | torindel | bbq with Chox |
| 22:37.56 | Chox | not especially, and I dipute the 99%. |
| 22:37.58 | Chox | dispute. |
| 22:38.01 | jmho | torindel: I got my device last week, so I should be a gta02v4 or 5? |
| 22:38.09 | Chox | vbbq |
| 22:38.16 | kd8ikt | 5 |
| 22:38.17 | torindel | jmho: just change kernel and rootfs |
| 22:38.18 | Rigolo | jmho: look under the bat ... there it is written |
| 22:38.35 | jmho | thx |
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| 22:38.43 | kd8ikt | or use libgsmtool |
| 22:38.48 | torindel | jmho: you dont have to change uboot since its only kernel loader |
| 22:39.09 | torindel | and if you fu*k it up, you'd brick your neo |
| 22:39.11 | Chox | careful, sweeping statements |
| 22:39.28 | Chox | torindel: let me categortically state that your statement is incorrect. |
| 22:39.30 | jmho | torindel: ok, I understand, will only try kernel and rootfs. or is kernel sufficient? |
| 22:39.37 | Chox | that's bullshit. |
| 22:39.42 | mmontour | torindel: it's safe to update u-boot on a Freerunner because there's a protected copy in the NOR flash |
| 22:39.57 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: only up to 1000 times. |
| 22:40.02 | mmontour | true |
| 22:40.03 | Rigolo | mmontour: and how do you update the protected copy :-) |
| 22:40.06 | Chox | everyone's an expect nor. |
| 22:40.09 | Chox | er, now |
| 22:40.16 | mmontour | Rigolo: with a debug board |
| 22:40.24 | Rigolo | mmontour: okee |
| 22:40.24 | torindel | jmho: update both |
| 22:40.40 | jmho | torindel: ok, thx |
| 22:44.07 | jmho | Rigolo: under the battery there is only "GTA02", not v4 or v5, where else can I look? |
| 22:45.59 | mmontour | jmho: If you bought your device (i.e. it's not an early prototype) then it will use the v5 image. The actual device may be v5 or v6 (check Revision in /proc/cpuinfo) but as of v5 the u-boot image can auto-detect the hardware |
| 22:47.28 | jmho | mmontour: yes I bought it, thx |
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| 22:52.27 | jmho | do I need to flash the rootfs in every case or is it sufficient to do a "opkg upgrade"? |
| 22:52.50 | jmho | or what is recommended? |
| 22:56.54 | Rigolo | jmho: reflashing erase everything on your phone ... opkg upgrade not |
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| 22:58.12 | jmho | Rigolo: well I just got it, so there is no data on it. so regarding only the apps, both options lead to the same? |
| 22:59.25 | Rigolo | jmho: if you want to move from the release image to the devel image you need to flash |
| 23:00.01 | jmho | Rigolo: ah ok, erm what does work better? |
| 23:00.35 | Rigolo | july 22nd images work better for me ... |
| 23:01.21 | Rigolo | but it might not for you ... |
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| 23:02.11 | jmho | ok, I just tried the july 27th kernel imgage, no dialing possible, so I'll try the july 22nd kernel and rootfs... |
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| 23:02.51 | Rigolo | jmho: that is because your rootfs did not have the right modules for that kernel most likely |
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| 23:03.28 | Rigolo | jmho: take both the kernel and the jffs2 from the same day .. and then upgrade (with caution .. use opkg -test upgrade ) |
| 23:03.29 | jmho | Rigolo: ah ok, then I'll flash the rootfs of 27th as well, thx :) |
| 23:03.36 | jmho | ok |
| 23:03.45 | Rigolo | jmho: there is not rootfs on the 27 ... |
| 23:04.02 | Rigolo | last sucessfull rootfs that was build was on the 22nd ... |
| 23:04.04 | jmho | Rigolo: ah yes, I just noticed |
| 23:04.06 | araujo | arg |
| 23:04.13 | Rigolo | so that is a starting point .. and then go from there |
| 23:04.14 | araujo | no FR in stock yet :-( |
| 23:04.27 | Rigolo | is not really leaving ... |
| 23:04.44 | feydreva_ | hum i guess I missed a part of the conversation that would have been usefully... |
| 23:04.56 | jmho | Rigolo: ok, can I use it with kernel of 27th or do I have to flash both? |
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| 23:05.32 | feydreva_ | i am reading the wiki about flashing.. it tlaks about flashing the kernel, flashing the root filesystem, and flashing u-boot |
| 23:05.52 | feydreva_ | wich one should be done ? (if I want to put the release version, or the version of the 22) |
| 23:05.54 | Rigolo | is NOW really leaving ... |
| 23:06.07 | jmho | Rigolo: thx for all your help :) |
| 23:06.22 | Rigolo | 01:03 < Rigolo> jmho: take both the kernel and the jffs2 from the same day .. and then upgrade (with caution .. use opkg -test upgrade ) |
| 23:06.30 | feydreva_ | ok |
| 23:06.33 | feydreva_ | th |
| 23:06.34 | jmho | ok |
| 23:07.06 | Rigolo | and for the moment .. stay away from flashing uboot ... not needed right now |
| 23:07.14 | feydreva_ | ok |
| 23:07.26 | jmho | Rigolo: ok, thx again, you rock :) |
| 23:07.30 | Rigolo | and now i'm gone .. or I will get a devorce, become homeless and other bad things |
| 23:07.37 | jmho | ;) |
| 23:07.37 | feydreva_ | lol |
| 23:07.42 | feydreva_ | take care of your wife :) |
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| 23:11.07 | Chox | sigh |
| 23:11.29 | Chox | ok, you clowns. flashing uboot is a _good_ idea. It is not scary, and will not set your house on fire. Unless you're Dave. |
| 23:11.44 | Chox | and there a number of worthwhile updates. None of them critical, but still. |
| 23:11.59 | Chox | all IMCE, IANAL, BBQ |
| 23:12.31 | aggtrfrad | can i exctract something from my pc to the fr? like tar -vxf file.tar.gz > ssh 192.168.0.100 cd /media/card |
| 23:12.55 | leinir | Chox: And being as you can't actually brick a freerunner without a debug board, well, it's fairly safe as well :) |
| 23:12.59 | Chox | aggtrfrad: yes |
| 23:13.04 | mmontour | aggtrfrad: yes, but not exactly like that. |
| 23:13.05 | Chox | leinir: cow bells |
| 23:13.18 | leinir | Chox: Indeed ;) |
| 23:13.27 | abraxa_ | leinir: In theory. In practice, I've seen people brick their FR without a debug board... |
| 23:14.06 | leinir | abraxa_: That's kinda impressive... |
| 23:14.24 | mmontour | maybe something like (untested): cat file.tar.gz | ssh root@192.168.0.200 "(cd /media/card ; tar -vxf -)" |
| 23:14.44 | abraxa_ | leinir: That's what I thought, too, so I think any warning is justified. |
| 23:15.29 | leinir | abraxa_: i mean, with NOR being write protected on the freerunner and such... i can't help but wonder if those people somehow fail to figure out how to boot into NOR and work from there... |
| 23:15.55 | SpeedEvil | IIRC there were suspicions that not everyones had been properly NOR flashed. |
| 23:15.57 | mmontour | abraxa_: only 2 ways I can think of - if they had a FR with a mis-programmed NOR (rare problem), or if they discharged their battery (not related to flashing u-boot, and can be jump-started with a Nokia battery) |
| 23:16.08 | leinir | SpeedEvil: Aah, right, that'd definitely do it yeah :) |
| 23:16.09 | Chox | paranoia city! |
| 23:17.15 | mmontour | abraxa_: maybe also possible with creative setting of u-boot environment variables, although I would expect that you could do a "reset to defaults" or something from the NOR menu |
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| 23:17.28 | leinir | Oh yes... it was something like the NOR uboot requiring some settings file in NAND yeah? |
| 23:18.17 | leinir | Anyway, i must go and make sure my head doesn't fall off, as my neck seems to be threatening me it's about to ;) |
| 23:18.23 | Chox | can you blow away the settings that NOR uboot uses? |
| 23:19.34 | mmontour | Chox: I don't know whether NOR u-boot gets its environment from NAND or from NOR (no FR here to test it) |
| 23:20.02 | Chox | blowing away NOR settings would be a hassle, but not the end of the world |
| 23:20.10 | Chox | I suspect you can't change them with debug board. |
| 23:20.19 | Chox | without |
| 23:20.43 | abraxa_ | mmontour: The u-boot env modification being what someone did to brick his. He could still boot using NOR but that made the NAND u-boot env inaccessible. Thus, this was hard to fix. |
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| 23:22.32 | linuxxr | ahh i have a task bar back |
| 23:22.44 | linuxxr | 4-24-2008 |
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| 23:22.50 | fuzzyt | hely all |
| 23:22.53 | fuzzyt | hey |
| 23:22.57 | linuxxr | i bet the phone works |
| 23:23.36 | fuzzyt | Does MMS work yet, or are there any plans for it on the FR. |
| 23:24.44 | ieatlint | mms does not work yet |
| 23:25.15 | mmontour | abraxa_: when I eventually get a FR I'll play around with scenarios like that, and update the wiki with recovery procedures (unless someone else has already done it by then) |
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| 23:25.23 | Chox | moooo! |
| 23:25.25 | zash | is mms push? |
| 23:25.33 | zash | eg, does it wake up gsm? |
| 23:25.34 | ieatlint | mms is sms+data/gprs |
| 23:26.04 | ieatlint | you get an sms saying "there's a file here for you at ... " and then you use a pre-configured APN to connect through gprs to get the file |
| 23:26.05 | abraxa_ | mmontour: I applaud you if you pull through with that :) |
| 23:26.36 | zash | ieatlint: i found that mms is cheaper per data than gprs |
| 23:26.43 | Chox | linters! |
| 23:27.01 | ieatlint | zash, because the APN used to download the message doesn't charge you for data |
| 23:27.13 | ieatlint | since it's mms ... some providers charge for mms separately from sms |
| 23:27.15 | ieatlint | hey chox |
| 23:27.31 | ieatlint | zash, you connect to an entirely different apn for mms versus data |
| 23:28.03 | zash | ieatlint: on my current prepaid plan, mms and sms cost the same |
| 23:28.06 | zash | for the sender |
| 23:28.26 | ieatlint | yeah, the US providers just lump them together now |
| 23:28.43 | ieatlint | they used to be separately charged here on a per-message basis (not per kb for mms) |
| 23:29.55 | ieatlint | anyway, to my knowledge none of the existing images support juggling gprs and telephony/sms simultaneously |
| 23:30.12 | zash | and a mms is up to 300 kb |
| 23:30.56 | ieatlint | so at present, the FR is a de-facto class C gprs device (meaning, you can have sms/telephony OR gprs) ... the hardware supports class B (which means it can do gprs and still receive gsm events, suspending the gprs to give telephony/sms priority) |
| 23:31.33 | mjr | yeah there is the muxer bit but its default integration... |
| 23:31.53 | kristian-m | ieatlint afaik fso supports muxing, but there is no gprs ui yet |
| 23:32.17 | ieatlint | kristian-m, interesting... i'll need to look into that |
| 23:32.25 | ieatlint | not sure what device to attach pppd to though |
| 23:32.50 | mjr | you request a pty from the muxer |
| 23:33.47 | kristian-m | http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=otapi/xhtml/docbook-org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.xhtml;hb=HEAD |
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| 23:34.22 | kd8ikt | eveing lint |
| 23:34.45 | kristian-m | i guess that means you'll get a pdp context directly, dont know how to connect to pppd though |
| 23:35.40 | ieatlint | hmmm |
| 23:36.00 | ieatlint | it seems to imply it launches pppd for you |
| 23:36.02 | ieatlint | hey kd8ikt |
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| 23:37.14 | ajbrun | yay - my freerunner comes tomorrow :D |
| 23:37.20 | zash | yay4h |
| 23:37.21 | zash | u |
| 23:37.26 | Chox | yay, had mine 3 weeks :o |
| 23:38.17 | ajbrun | am i right in saying that tangoGPS doesn't currently have turn by turn directions? |
| 23:38.23 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 23:38.30 | SpeedEvil | It has direction to waypoint. |
| 23:38.45 | SpeedEvil | It simply uses the tiles as a moving map |
| 23:38.46 | ajbrun | but i assume that this feature is planned? |
| 23:38.57 | Chox | check out its homepage and see. |
| 23:39.04 | Chox | or contact its dev. |
| 23:39.10 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: no |
| 23:39.18 | ajbrun | i did, but they don't have a manual up yet, which is what i'd use |
| 23:39.26 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: turn by turn routing is really a whole new program. |
| 23:39.31 | kristian-m | anyone had bluetooth running on gta02? |
| 23:39.37 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: the map is entirely useless for routing. |
| 23:39.43 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: you need the vector data. |
| 23:39.43 | ajbrun | oh ok - fair enough |
| 23:40.49 | ieatlint | kristian-m, if you mean bt headset, no |
| 23:40.53 | ajbrun | but there's going to be an opensource tom-tom like device coming out soon though isn't there? |
| 23:40.58 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: no |
| 23:40.58 | ieatlint | if you mean bluetooth working, able to pair devices and such, yes |
| 23:41.03 | Chox | Roger the Vector on that, Victor |
| 23:41.11 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: the primary problem is not the routing software. That's easy. |
| 23:41.17 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: the problem is the maps. |
| 23:41.23 | kristian-m | ieatlint i mean hciconfig and hcitool dev showing the device |
| 23:41.37 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: good maps are expensive, and the vendors don't let you use them for free. |
| 23:41.42 | Chox | wait for openstreamap to get betterer |
| 23:41.42 | kristian-m | ieatlint how do you turn on the deice? |
| 23:41.51 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: in verly limited areas openstreetmap works. |
| 23:41.52 | ajbrun | i see |
| 23:42.09 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: but for example, there are currently no turn restrictions in the openstreetmaps database. |
| 23:42.26 | SpeedEvil | As nobodies implemented it in one of the popular editors. |
| 23:42.43 | Chox | not to mention nobody's |
| 23:42.53 | kristian-m | ieatlint oh, you do have to du reset - missed that |
| 23:43.00 | ieatlint | yep |
| 23:43.06 | ieatlint | was in the midst of typing my reply |
| 23:43.12 | ieatlint | the directions on the wiki work for me |
| 23:43.15 | kristian-m | thats new in gta02 |
| 23:43.44 | ieatlint | ajbrun, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Pyroute |
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| 23:43.54 | kristian-m | ieatlint i hope to have that in settingsgui, and never think of it again then ;-) |
| 23:44.25 | ieatlint | kristian-m, yeah, it should be.. hehe |
| 23:44.27 | ajbrun | ty ieatlint - i'll take a look when my internet catches up with me |
| 23:44.35 | Chox | Do the pink stripey roads in OSM suggest roads with speed bumps? |
| 23:44.40 | ieatlint | not sure if the bt on/off switch in 2007.2 does it |
| 23:44.47 | ajbrun | looks interesting |
| 23:45.04 | ieatlint | bbl |
| 23:45.15 | kd8ikt | how do i add launchers to FSO |
| 23:45.55 | SpeedEvil | kd8jbx: see http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/USB-Missile-Rocket-Launcher-Office-Toy-Gadget_W0QQitemZ110274771319QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item110274771319 |
| 23:47.19 | darkjames | SpeedEvil, it's only for windows 2000 and xp, someone is reverse enginnering drivers? |
| 23:47.31 | SpeedEvil | Dunno. |
| 23:47.38 | SpeedEvil | It would be funny though. |
| 23:48.10 | kd8ikt | my lil cousin has one |
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| 23:49.10 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 23:49.12 | kd8ikt | doesnt thta just piss you off though, there should be source with every driver |
| 23:49.15 | ieatlint | set that up with the phone |
| 23:49.31 | ieatlint | kd8ikt, reverse engineering that is probably not too difficult |
| 23:49.39 | ieatlint | just dump the usb, not like they're going to bother to encrypt |
| 23:49.57 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: security on missiles is usually quite high :) |
| 23:50.06 | darkjames | Yep :) |
| 23:50.21 | SpeedEvil | ponders one for a camera mount. |
| 23:50.28 | kd8ikt | but like my lexmark printer... wtf they have linux drivers(sdk) for like 3 printers , guess what? that doesnt include my printer |
| 23:50.49 | Chox | wtf bbq. |
| 23:50.50 | ieatlint | SpeedEvil, not if they're made in the US |
| 23:50.56 | linuxxr | lexmark loses |
| 23:51.24 | Chox | buy them from thinkgeek, then they're more likely to have Linux drivers |
| 23:51.31 | ieatlint | we have an odd habit of shipping missile pieces to other countries, accidently flying them across the country and letting our operators fall asleep on duty |
| 23:51.35 | Chox | oh, printers, not launchers ;-) |
| 23:51.57 | Chox | linty: USASSR |
| 23:52.08 | ieatlint | lol |
| 23:52.20 | kd8ikt | i was inside a truck container once and found a bill of lading for pheonix missles |
| 23:52.26 | kd8ikt | it was a carbon coby |
| 23:52.42 | kd8ikt | copy* |
| 23:53.25 | ieatlint | security is in general a joke |
| 23:53.27 | peepsalot | anyone familiar with the way that glamo is being used? does every screen update require a a full rewrite from cpu to glamo? for example in 2007.2 application menu |
| 23:54.04 | peepsalot | or could it cache a large image of the menu, and scroll down it? |
| 23:54.08 | ieatlint | peepsalot, have you looked into Xglamo? since i have a feeling that's where you'd find out |
| 23:55.31 | peepsalot | no, i will try looking there. my knowledge of x in general is pretty poor though. i don't much understand how all the layers works between applications and the screen |
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| 23:56.41 | peepsalot | ieatlint, i would have thought maybe the code to change would be in the application specific, such as the app menu |
| 23:57.55 | ieatlint | well, the gui you see doesn't have its own library, it's using cairo or gtk or something |
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| 23:58.36 | peepsalot | i guess i just don't get how or if acceleration is even possible through gtk, etc. |
| 23:58.52 | peepsalot | is there any kind of primer someone could recommend? |
| 23:59.20 | ieatlint | i'm an amateur at gui programming myself, so i'm no authoritative source |
| 23:59.28 | peepsalot | and no one seems to know the name of that damn app menu either |
| 23:59.48 | AntonTakk | which app menu? |
| 23:59.55 | kd8ikt | love the fso keyboard |
| 23:59.58 | ieatlint | enlightenment? |
