| 00:07.10 | SirBob1701 | has there not been an asu jffs2 since july21st or am i dumb.... |
| 00:07.34 | AntonTakk | i think there was a 22 |
| 00:08.00 | SirBob1701 | still its been a while yeesh |
| 00:08.27 | Weiss | should i be expecting to find the source code for the latest ASU image anywhere? i can't figure out whether i'm missing something one way or another |
| 00:09.32 | AntonTakk | Weiss, in svn |
| 00:09.56 | Weiss | i found my way to svn.openmoko.org, but can't quite figure out the layout |
| 00:12.02 | AntonTakk | did that illume theme change work for you guys? |
| 00:12.26 | SirBob1701 | ?? |
| 00:13.16 | AntonTakk | was talking to a couplepeople about enabeling the keyboard button in illume before I leftwork |
| 00:13.29 | AntonTakk | but i don't remember who :) |
| 00:13.38 | SirBob1701 | ah i just tried it based on wiki. / in vi was acting up. you weren't talking to me btw |
| 00:13.42 | SirBob1701 | i fracked itu p |
| 00:13.46 | SirBob1701 | won't boot now |
| 00:13.54 | AntonTakk | eww |
| 00:13.58 | SirBob1701 | ya lol |
| 00:14.18 | SirBob1701 | i wanna know where this sean guy is who doesn't want that button in so i can beat him sensless lol |
| 00:14.35 | AntonTakk | if allyou messed with was the illume.edj file you should just need to replace it with the backup you DID make.....right? |
| 00:14.58 | SirBob1701 | haha if only i wasn't so compulsive |
| 00:15.04 | AntonTakk | ah |
| 00:15.16 | Toaster` | is there a cron mechanism on the FR? I want to do regular backups to my SD card and since it's across devices, hard links won't work. |
| 00:15.16 | SirBob1701 | i'm dling the july 22 flash right now |
| 00:15.21 | SirBob1701 | wish there was a more up to date one |
| 00:15.33 | AntonTakk | i believe the illume theme has it's own package |
| 00:15.45 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: it does |
| 00:15.53 | AntonTakk | so remove and reinstall it |
| 00:15.55 | Weiss | AntonTakk: whereabouts in SVN should i be looking for, say, the dialler? |
| 00:15.56 | SirBob1701 | can you boot temrinal only? |
| 00:16.17 | AntonTakk | i'm guessinf the phone boots but illume is barfing on the theme file |
| 00:16.30 | SirBob1701 | ok let us see |
| 00:16.43 | peter__b | <AntonTakk>: read this http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1663 |
| 00:18.01 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: looks like it might be barfing on something else |
| 00:18.46 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 00:19.08 | SirBob1701 | have you heard anything on why the damn keyboard won't show up at all in the latest updates? |
| 00:19.16 | SirBob1701 | looks like there blowing though there feature plan |
| 00:19.21 | AntonTakk | looks like that ticket has the answer |
| 00:19.22 | SirBob1701 | but shit |
| 00:19.58 | AntonTakk | i know the asu daily from 7/15 has the illume kb |
| 00:20.27 | Dave | It's Sir Bob! |
| 00:20.29 | SirBob1701 | so does 7/21 |
| 00:20.35 | SirBob1701 | ?? |
| 00:20.36 | *** join/#openmoko jeffszusz (n=jeffsz@d57-97-215.home.cgocable.net) |
| 00:22.02 | SirBob1701 | Dave: you on crack? |
| 00:22.57 | Dave | Excuse me? |
| 00:23.27 | SirBob1701 | lol why the excitement? |
| 00:23.33 | balrog-k1n | not only that |
| 00:23.37 | balrog-k1n | but it's one seven oh one! |
| 00:23.38 | SirBob1701 | did i do something wrong? |
| 00:24.13 | Dave | haha |
| 00:24.22 | Dave | I don't think he gets it, Balrogkun :p |
| 00:24.46 | SirBob1701 | correct |
| 00:24.52 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 00:25.17 | balrog-k1n | Dave: yea, i don't think either |
| 00:25.20 | SirBob1701 | i sense the cynicism though |
| 00:25.35 | balrog-k1n | SirBob1701: you didn't do anything wrong |
| 00:25.41 | balrog-k1n | but Dave will spank you anyway |
| 00:25.49 | SirBob1701 | grrr ;) |
| 00:27.33 | *** join/#openmoko exastra (n=go@75.148.80.90) |
| 00:29.28 | *** join/#openmoko zefanja_ (n=zefanja@drsd-4dbcbf9d.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 00:40.39 | *** join/#openmoko nab (n=nab@64-172-115-11.ded.pacbell.net) |
| 00:43.10 | *** join/#openmoko ruoso (n=ruoso@201009046064.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 00:43.11 | *** join/#openmoko greentux (n=lemke@Z78d7.z.pppool.de) |
| 00:52.51 | *** join/#openmoko alvarezp (n=alvarezp@201.139.193.235) |
| 00:56.05 | kd8ikt | aw cool i was just reading about wifi being in the amateur radio band |
| 00:56.37 | kd8ikt | meaning i can up the signal strength on my devices aslong as i turn encryption off |
| 00:56.50 | kd8ikt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.11#802.11g |
| 00:57.12 | kd8ikt | channels 1-6 |
| 00:57.45 | *** join/#openmoko Arg0naut (n=steveois@CPE001c10acab63-CM000a7369b290.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 00:57.51 | kd8ikt | needs to buy a big arse antenna + signal amp |
| 00:57.53 | *** join/#openmoko no7__ (n=dk@krlh-5d854ce2.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 00:58.28 | pjz | kd8ikt: don't bother; 802.11 behaves poorly if you amp it up too much |
| 00:59.13 | kd8ikt | damn |
| 00:59.35 | kd8ikt | but a good antenna high up would be nice |
| 00:59.45 | pjz | kd8ikt: it was explained to me that it has something to do with seeing too many beaconing clients or APs or something basically runs most chipsets and/or access points out of CPU trying to deal with them |
| 01:00.15 | pjz | kd8ikt: this was told to me by a guy who did a lot of work with a company that was doing essentially phased-array antennas for wifi |
| 01:00.25 | kd8ikt | so... |
| 01:01.32 | kd8ikt | you mean an overflow of clients? |
| 01:01.46 | Dave | KDEIGHT |
| 01:02.16 | kd8ikt | Kilo Delta 'eight' India Kilo Tango |
| 01:02.31 | kd8ikt | i wish i had an F or W in it |
| 01:02.37 | kd8ikt | so i could say Whiskey ;) |
| 01:03.23 | pjz | kd8ikt: how do you pronounce your name anyway? k-date-ickt is the closest I can figure |
| 01:03.42 | pjz | though I guess it could be a ham callsign |
| 01:03.42 | kd8ikt | its a amateur radio callsign/letters |
| 01:03.55 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 01:04.05 | *** join/#openmoko mboldisc (n=mike@c-75-73-28-183.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 01:04.17 | kd8ikt | i pronounce it Jaymz <-- cause thats my name |
| 01:04.50 | kd8ikt | james |
| 01:05.17 | pjz | got it :) |
| 01:05.50 | cesarb | sometimes feels nostalgic for the "august snapshot", back when the only things which didn't work were gpsd and suspend |
| 01:06.01 | kd8ikt | i was just flippin through stuff and figureing out the meter bands wifi/gps are turns out wifi falls in the 13cm band range and GPS is somewhere around 19cm |
| 01:06.30 | kd8ikt | 1.2Ghz 2.4Ghz |
| 01:07.03 | *** join/#openmoko cnwdup (n=harlekin@hnvr-4dbd6c48.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 01:07.11 | kd8ikt | er i mean GPS is 1.5Ghz |
| 01:08.09 | *** join/#openmoko HellDragon (n=jd@modemcable234.136-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 01:08.28 | pjz | cesarb: yeah, I'm more than a little annoyed that moko finds it acceptable to break working code |
| 01:08.46 | cesarb | The august snapshot even had a working full-qwerty keyboard, with no need for crazy slash-adding hacks! |
| 01:09.09 | kd8ikt | howelse will one write rm -rf / |
| 01:09.36 | cesarb | kd8ikt: try "echo ondemand > /sys/devices/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" :P |
| 01:09.59 | cesarb | cannot test cpufreq easily without slashes, since cpufreq tends to hose the usb connection completely |
| 01:10.51 | cesarb | Of course, first I need something which boots on qemu... one branch refuses to boot completely, the other gets lost in a endless stream of NAND debug messages (wrong defconfig :( ) |
| 01:11.04 | kd8ikt | /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/? |
| 01:11.19 | cesarb | kd8ikt: something like that, I went from memory right now |
| 01:11.30 | cesarb | kd8ikt: it's been some time since I last was able to do that ;-) |
| 01:11.40 | cesarb | (how long has the keyboard been "broken"?) |
| 01:16.39 | *** join/#openmoko ruoso (n=ruoso@201009046064.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 01:31.31 | peepsalot | has anyone followed the steps here? http://andreasdalsgaard.blogspot.com/2008/07/openmoko-development-in-5-minutes.html |
| 01:31.46 | peepsalot | on step 3, there is no setup-env in that directory for me |
| 01:31.48 | *** part/#openmoko schmichael (n=michael@li30-40.members.linode.com) |
| 01:31.58 | pjz | drewish: and you guys see Sean's diatribe 'Openmoko on Design' |
| 01:31.59 | pjz | ? |
| 01:32.09 | pjz | er, ack, that wasn't to him |
| 01:32.17 | pjz | you guys see Sean's diatribe 'Openmoko on Design'? |
| 01:32.50 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 01:33.04 | araujo | :-( |
| 01:33.10 | pjz | he's so wrong |
| 01:33.16 | kd8ikt | made me feel like a baaad panda |
| 01:33.23 | *** join/#openmoko ChandleWEi (n=chandle@210.13.121.62) |
| 01:34.01 | pjz | design team can't go skunkworks and expect people to accept their half-done crap that breaks the universe. release early release often. And try not to regress functionality. |
| 01:34.54 | pjz | if they share their vision, then we can help. If they don't, they're going it alone - and may $diety have mercy on their souls |
| 01:35.03 | kd8ikt | oh hai changing /etc/passwd's root user shell to bash, kills openmoko-terminal |
| 01:35.14 | SirBob1701 | can someone link me to that shitheads thing? |
| 01:35.19 | pjz | because there's no way they can out-hack the community |
| 01:35.50 | *** join/#openmoko MrSkittle (n=tuna@unaffiliated/t00na) |
| 01:35.57 | SirBob1701 | ? |
| 01:35.57 | peepsalot | SirBob1701, hmm? |
| 01:36.16 | SirBob1701 | Openmoko on Design from sean is it in the list? |
| 01:36.40 | kd8ikt | i got it this morning i could pastebin it for you |
| 01:37.09 | peepsalot | calling him a shithead before even reading it? |
| 01:37.22 | SirBob1701 | kd8ikt: ok |
| 01:37.29 | peepsalot | y'all sure are ornery |
| 01:37.31 | SirBob1701 | peepsalot: i saw the comments in the illume source |
| 01:38.07 | *** join/#openmoko tkep (n=travisk@cpe-066-057-120-042.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 01:38.30 | kd8ikt | http://pastebin.com/m71b05919 |
| 01:38.33 | tkep | damn, roadrunner was out for 4 hours....on one of my damn vacation days |
| 01:38.43 | tkep | of all the times for it to do it :( |
| 01:38.46 | kd8ikt | and its unbelievable howmanny people are replying to it |
| 01:39.12 | kd8ikt | dang tkep that sux |
| 01:39.56 | kd8ikt | hm latest kernel seems to be suspending fine for me suddenly |
| 01:40.07 | kd8ikt | also i did add in mwesters userspace fixes |
| 01:40.34 | *** join/#openmoko mgregson (n=mgregson@S0106000f66911f39.cg.shawcable.net) |
| 01:40.49 | kd8ikt | http://moko.mwester.net/gtk.html |
| 01:41.37 | kd8ikt | lol whoops actually just visit http://moko.mwester.net/ |
| 01:41.54 | kd8ikt | thats a great pic lol |
| 01:42.13 | kd8ikt | havent seen him in a few days but i need to give him a big hug |
| 01:42.58 | *** join/#openmoko jancona (n=jancona@pool-70-22-175-73.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 01:44.22 | SirBob1701 | kd8ikt: am i the onlyone that wants to smack him? |
| 01:45.17 | kd8ikt | ~gsm |
| 01:45.18 | apt | it has been said that gsm is a codec, operating at approx 13kbps up/down. four bands worldwide. 850/900/1900/1800MHz. Freerunner comes in two variants, one supporting 900, one 850. 900 is used in europe, and 850 in US. The other two bands in both. |
| 01:45.56 | kd8ikt | i cant remember which one i have 800/850? which ones sold first? |
| 01:47.58 | SirBob1701 | crap i'm an idiot whats the default asu repo? |
| 01:48.22 | kd8ikt | the distributions page should say |
| 01:48.28 | SirBob1701 | k |
| 01:52.58 | kd8ikt | i want to build my own gps antenna |
| 01:53.58 | kd8ikt | whats great about high freq's is that the antenna size shrinks to make a full wave antenna |
| 01:55.13 | kd8ikt | like a full wave for 10mhz is like 30meters long whereas a 2.4ghz wifi full wave is like 19cm |
| 01:56.48 | *** join/#openmoko troy|home (n=troy@142.166.111.209) |
| 01:56.54 | kd8ikt | i mean 13cm |
| 01:57.01 | kd8ikt | i was thinking gps |
| 01:57.02 | *** join/#openmoko tkep (n=travisk@nat/redhat/x-7e51460ec55d9c38) |
| 01:58.19 | *** join/#openmoko Sonicadvance (n=Sonic@69.92.97.122) |
| 02:04.04 | kd8ikt | that quit msg is really starting to get to me |
| 02:04.17 | SirBob1701 | anyone know where in the .edj that shitty white boarder around the icons in the ASU is set? |
| 02:09.44 | rwhitby | kd8ikt: mwester is on a business trip at the moment. |
| 02:10.03 | *** join/#openmoko russellb (n=russell@asterisk/developer-and-stable-maintainer/drumkilla) |
| 02:11.46 | rwhitby | pjz: I agree on the design in private stuff happening at moko |
| 02:12.04 | rwhitby | The tone of the whole collaboration with the community has taken a turn for the worse IMHO. |
| 02:16.09 | *** join/#openmoko b4nk (n=reese@c-71-59-60-8.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 02:16.41 | b4nk | hello hello |
| 02:17.08 | tkep | are we talking about how no one knows what the hell is going on? |
| 02:17.12 | tkep | because i agree. |
| 02:17.13 | tkep | lol |
| 02:17.22 | Vegar | rwhitby: 2007.2 was developed "behind the walls" too |
| 02:17.33 | tkep | all i know is have a phone and i wanna like it more |
| 02:18.24 | b4nk | im debating about getting the freerunner |
| 02:18.49 | kd8ikt | http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/freddyart/My%20TUX/tux-g2-freddy_krueger.png |
| 02:18.54 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 02:19.02 | tkep | hahaha |
| 02:19.15 | tkep | that's almost as good as tux's as superheroes |
| 02:19.20 | *** join/#openmoko Sargun (n=Sargun@atarack/staff/sargun) |
| 02:19.22 | tkep | have you seen that one kd8ikt ? |
| 02:19.46 | *** join/#openmoko charlie137 (n=charlie@firewall.tw.openmoko.org) |
| 02:20.52 | *** part/#openmoko LetoTo (n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com) |
| 02:21.17 | rwhitby | Vegar: no, 2007.2 was developed at openhand, and then picked up by openmoko. |
| 02:21.30 | rwhitby | (as far as I remember) |
| 02:21.41 | tkep | kd8ikt, http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/72089-heroes-black_sxga.jpg |
| 02:22.21 | Vegar | rwhitby: yes, but the community didn't know much about it until it was released in a pretty much working state (definitely better than what ASU was/is) |
| 02:23.09 | b4nk | is there a site that will list all packages for openmoko |
| 02:23.12 | rwhitby | Vegar: yeah, that's the difference. either you keep something closed until it's ready to release, or you are open from the start. doing it half-way just causes everyone to get angry :-) |
| 02:23.14 | kd8ikt | heh that was neat |
| 02:23.32 | kd8ikt | is looking for a tux for the lock screen drag.pic |
| 02:23.48 | tkep | ooooooh |
| 02:23.51 | tkep | that would be cool |
| 02:24.15 | kd8ikt | http://bp2.blogger.com/_UqUwVPikChs/R-DBoHbATaI/AAAAAAAAC_w/tywrzxyDqB8/s320/cisoun-tux-kenny-2198.png how that one grab ya? |
| 02:24.40 | tkep | hahahaha |
| 02:24.43 | tkep | sweetness |
| 02:24.47 | kd8ikt | i think it'd be good cause of the instability issues i have so "a lot of the time its "DEAD"" |
| 02:24.54 | tkep | i think i might copy your idea |
| 02:24.57 | tkep | :) |
| 02:25.03 | tkep | good thinking |
| 02:25.06 | jbn-o | Are people having good experiences with the Freerunner as a phone, putting aside the FLOSS software one can run on it? I think I'd use it most as an ordinary cellphone. |
| 02:25.27 | tkep | maybe i'll crop out Bat-Tux and use it to scare the suspend into working |
| 02:25.36 | kd8ikt | yeah i can make/recieve calls but battery sucks at present |
| 02:25.49 | tkep | especially since the phone went to watch The Dark Knight with me |
| 02:26.03 | b4nk | did you get butter on it? |
| 02:26.07 | kd8ikt | other then that jbn-o its a good phone and getting better |
| 02:26.20 | tkep | jbn-o, yes, it gets better reception than my wife's Sony slider (w-510) on Suncom's network, and it is clearer IMO. |
| 02:26.30 | tkep | however, it is a very bad battery hog at the moment |
| 02:26.39 | tkep | i can get about 12-14 hours on a good day right now |
| 02:26.52 | tkep | as kd8ikt said |
| 02:27.12 | kd8ikt | dang really? 14hrs suspend working for you or something? |
| 02:27.21 | tkep | well, here's the deal |
| 02:27.28 | tkep | before i screwed everything up, it was |
| 02:27.34 | jbn-o | Is the battery life due to doing a lot of computationally intensive 3D transformations with the fancy video or something? |
| 02:27.39 | tkep | i could charge it, sleep overnigt, and have enough juice to make a call in the morning |
| 02:27.43 | tkep | then it would die |
| 02:27.49 | tkep | meaning about 8-10 hours definitely |
| 02:27.55 | tkep | but i assume more, but i'd start charging it |
| 02:28.02 | tkep | however, i reflashed it yesterday |
| 02:28.11 | russellb | so if we were to replace "Comedian Mail", what should we have recorded instead? |
| 02:28.15 | tkep | and did an update, now everything is back to like, 4 hours |
| 02:28.19 | russellb | "Asterisk Voicemail" ? |
| 02:28.23 | russellb | "Asterisk Mail" ? |
| 02:28.29 | tkep | so I assume it was a new update that regressed |
| 02:28.34 | tkep | now i can't set the lock right |
| 02:28.40 | mmaestri | josch: you wrote the initial version of installing debian on the Neo, as I can see. can you help me? |
| 02:28.53 | mmaestri | josch: i mean, on the wiki |
| 02:28.55 | tkep | i just want the phone to dim, not lock, and now it just starts with a lock always |
| 02:28.59 | kd8ikt | runs off to try compiling uptimed for it so we can test for sure |
| 02:29.16 | russellb | I totally typed that in the wrong channel. |
| 02:29.23 | josch | mmaestri, whats up? |
| 02:29.38 | SirBob1701 | is there an update to geting the qwerty button working in asu? |
| 02:29.56 | mmaestri | josch: first, ask you if you got it working right on the freerunner |
| 02:30.18 | josch | mmaestri, i have no freerunner but others have |
| 02:30.49 | *** join/#openmoko _newbie3 (n=kvirc@dslb-084-063-055-009.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 02:31.05 | mmaestri | josch: well, i guess that you could help me any way, as i don't fully understand how to put it on the sd card |
| 02:31.13 | tkep | so, i know this is totally broad and probably will not get a good answer, but maybe someone has an idea |
| 02:31.22 | linuxxr | yea mine doesnt lock correctly either |
| 02:31.34 | josch | mmaestri, well this is nothing debian specific |
| 02:31.47 | mmaestri | josch: i've downloaded the rootfs image http://rabenfrost.net/debian/debian-armel-xfce.tar.bz2 |
| 02:31.49 | tkep | any clue as to a guess as to when one of the operating systems will be 75%+ functional? Any of them will do |
| 02:32.07 | tkep | and you can even give me a "Q409" kind of answer |
| 02:32.27 | josch | mmaestri, and you put it onto sd and boot from it as you do with any other rootf - be it asu, gtk or fso |
| 02:33.13 | josch | if you have trouble with this then probably debian isnt for you as it requires a somewhat higher level of understanding to have fun with it |
| 02:33.24 | josch | it's not some work out of the box thingy |
| 02:33.46 | josch | you will have to be able to fix errors that come up |
| 02:33.57 | kd8ikt | if you have the time to blow playing with it buy it |
| 02:34.01 | josch | maybe ask edistar he got it running on freerunner |
| 02:34.08 | mmaestri | josch: i understand that it requires work and understanding. i'm trying to understand |
| 02:34.28 | josch | mmaestri, okay but there are wikipages that explain how to put stuff on the sd |
| 02:34.35 | josch | so why is this a problem? |
| 02:35.21 | mmaestri | ok |
| 02:36.45 | mmaestri | josch: you're right. i did it before. just that i didn't undestood it before |
| 02:36.50 | mmaestri | thanks |
| 02:39.22 | *** join/#openmoko Sebastian (n=sb@p5B37509D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:40.39 | peepsalot | tkep 75% of what |
| 02:40.51 | peepsalot | you'd have to define what 100% would be first |
| 02:41.05 | peepsalot | not that I'd have an answer even if you did |
| 02:41.09 | tkep | it wa meant to be very blurry |
| 02:41.13 | tkep | was* |
| 02:41.31 | tkep | but, i'd consider battery management/life to be a big chunk of that |
| 02:41.41 | tkep | considering it is a mobile phone OS |
| 02:42.22 | peepsalot | if I had to guess, i'd say that it's 25% functional today, and maybe getting 1% more functional every week. so by that estimate, it will take 50 weeks to be 75% functional |
| 02:42.23 | kd8ikt | http://www.b12partners.net/mt/Toles_10242007_telecom.gif |
| 02:42.26 | peepsalot | :-P |
| 02:42.42 | tkep | so, say that's 25%, making calls is 25%, and not having to tap 30 times to open an appy sometimes, then we'll be at 75% |
| 02:42.54 | tkep | right now, i'd say we're at 25.6% |
| 02:42.59 | tkep | because it makes and receives calls |
| 02:43.06 | tkep | and that's about it :P |
| 02:43.53 | *** join/#openmoko jtickle (n=jtickle@97.82.215.223) |
| 02:45.09 | *** join/#openmoko xpo (n=xpo@firewall.tw.openmoko.org) |
| 02:46.47 | tkep | anyone know of a good case for the freerunner? |
| 02:47.07 | tkep | i have been using my microsoft neoprene mouse pouch |
| 02:47.07 | pjz | tkep: the default one is fairly nice, though it lacks a stylus & holder |
| 02:47.16 | tkep | but it doesn't fit right |
| 02:47.20 | pjz | tkep: oh, you mean carry case |
| 02:47.22 | tkep | pjz, i didn't get a default one |
| 02:47.27 | tkep | yeah |
| 02:47.28 | tkep | sorry |
| 02:47.29 | pjz | carries it bare in his pocket |
| 02:47.33 | tkep | should have specified |
| 02:47.36 | *** join/#openmoko swc|666 (n=swc|666@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 02:47.51 | tkep | is afraid of damaging his $400 gadget |
| 02:48.00 | kd8ikt | http://geektechnique.org/projectlab/781/slurpr-the-mother-of-all-wardrive-boxes |
| 02:48.01 | pjz | carries cellphone in right-front pocket, wallet & keys in left front |
| 02:48.11 | kd8ikt | wow dude i suddenly want to make one of those |
| 02:48.53 | kd8ikt | heh 6 wifi cards in it |
| 02:49.29 | tkep | kd8ikt, holy mother of Krishna |
| 02:49.36 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rc11b95784df0 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: |
| 02:49.36 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Don't split names that contain a comma in RetrievePhonebook and RetrieveEntry |
| 02:49.36 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: This resulted in a nasty segfault, preventing the phone functionality |
| 02:49.36 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: to work properly. Fixes #53 |
| 02:49.50 | kd8ikt | at creating multi routes for a dual or more homed network |
| 02:49.56 | *** join/#openmoko Kamping_Kaiser (n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/pdpc.active.kgoetz) |
| 02:49.57 | kd8ikt | i'm at a loss |
| 02:50.00 | tkep | so, i guess it works on bonding? |
| 02:50.07 | tkep | but it must do some wicked stuff |
| 02:50.23 | tkep | because basic bonding to make a fatter pipe requires a compliant gateway/router |
| 02:50.27 | peepsalot | are the kernels distro specific? or can i use the same kernel for all distros? |
| 02:50.29 | tkep | and, obviously, this isn't one |
| 02:50.44 | peepsalot | supposing i have a multi-boot setup |
| 02:50.51 | kd8ikt | like my openwrt router can connect to an AP and be wired (wan) but i dunno how to go about load balancing |
| 02:51.10 | *** join/#openmoko HellDragon (n=jd@modemcable234.136-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 02:51.15 | tkep | kd8ikt, it would take some work...i know with RH based distros, you can do a simple bond |
| 02:51.27 | tkep | but it requires more than just that to make it balance |
| 02:51.38 | kd8ikt | yea it need some logic |
| 02:52.03 | kd8ikt | and measure the current in/out bytes and howmuch throughput it has |
| 02:52.11 | kd8ikt | complicated stuff |
| 02:52.52 | tkep | man. |
| 02:52.56 | tkep | wants |
| 02:53.10 | kd8ikt | like i live in a townhouse and i'd love it if i could get everyone to point their highspeed modems to my one openwrt router and have multi homed internet for us all |
| 02:53.46 | kd8ikt | but i doubt that would evr happen |
| 02:54.26 | kd8ikt | cause people wanna play games and have ports forwarded wich complicate the heck out of an already overly complicated setup |
| 02:55.18 | kd8ikt | iptables --just-do-what-i-want |
| 02:55.51 | peepsalot | any distros automatically read sim contacts? |
| 02:56.01 | kd8ikt | think they all do |
| 02:56.09 | kd8ikt | i know 2007.2 does |
| 02:56.18 | peepsalot | since when? |
| 02:56.22 | peepsalot | doesn't work for me |
| 02:56.31 | kd8ikt | hm |
| 02:56.32 | tkep | actually kd8ikt, now that i think about it, it wouldn't help me too terribly much |
| 02:56.40 | peepsalot | it shows all the people in your contact list? |
| 02:56.53 | kd8ikt | yup then again i only have like 10 |
| 02:57.06 | kd8ikt | i really dont use my phone too often |
| 02:57.11 | tkep | with the QoS rules already on my Tomato router, the only thing I'd gain is the ability to keep torrents going 100% while playing xbox live |
| 02:57.13 | pjz | peepsalot: I had to reboot twice to get it to read all my contacts |
| 02:57.13 | peepsalot | well, poo |
| 02:57.18 | tkep | or guild wars |
| 02:57.22 | peepsalot | i guess it doesn't like my sim |
| 02:57.24 | pjz | peepsalot: so try rebooting and see if that helps |
| 02:57.32 | peepsalot | i've rebooted many times |
| 02:57.36 | tkep | since it doesn't make a fatter pipe really, just more pipes... |
| 02:57.38 | jtickle | so what's the word with today's ASU update? my system isn't bricked, although X will not start |
| 02:57.39 | kd8ikt | heh windows fix |
| 02:57.58 | tkep | kinda like multiple cores on a cpu, doesn't make applications faster unless they know what to do with multiple threads |
| 02:58.11 | tkep | the apps would have to be aware of the multiple pipes... |
| 02:58.34 | kd8ikt | multi pipes= fatter pipe but single connection downlaods will only utilize the moset of that one route its going |
| 02:58.49 | tkep | kd8ikt, yeah, that's my point really |
| 02:58.58 | kd8ikt | yeah torrents would kick butt |
| 02:59.02 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 02:59.09 | tkep | if the fastest connection you have on it is 10mbit, then that's all you could pull from a single connection |
| 02:59.17 | tkep | torrents would be the only thing. but i'm not hurting there |
| 02:59.25 | tkep | so my 7mbit down is still doing fine |
| 02:59.33 | tkep | i just need more uplink!!! |
| 03:00.26 | kd8ikt | mozilla would rock cause it uses multi conenctions i think |
| 03:00.50 | tkep | really? |
| 03:00.56 | tkep | don't give me a reason to buy this |
| 03:00.57 | tkep | lol |
| 03:02.19 | kd8ikt | maxrequests or somethin |
| 03:02.21 | *** join/#openmoko goldenhawk (n=goldenha@216.75.169.65) |
| 03:03.19 | kd8ikt | http://any-many.blogspot.com/2008/02/configure-your-firefox-for-max-request.html |
| 03:03.55 | *** join/#openmoko blan (n=blan@dslb-088-067-081-091.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 03:05.09 | kd8ikt | although some servers might drop you for too many connections to it |
| 03:11.27 | peepsalot | how can I extract files from a jffs2 image? |
| 03:12.12 | peepsalot | i'm reading here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card#Populate_SD_card |
| 03:12.32 | peepsalot | and it expects you to have a tar of the rootfs, but i think for some distros there is only jffs2 |
| 03:19.42 | peepsalot | everyone left :-( |
| 03:20.34 | tkep | soul calibur 4 is out in 40 mins here in the US |
| 03:20.43 | tkep | damn, i don't get paid for another 3 days. |
| 03:20.46 | tkep | oh well, i can wait |
| 03:20.47 | tkep | :) |
| 03:21.22 | kd8ikt | screenshot thingy isnt working for me |
| 03:21.41 | peepsalot | how so |
| 03:22.57 | kd8ikt | Error saving screenshot: Value for PNG text chunk CREATOR cannot be converted toISO-8859-1 encoding |
| 03:23.16 | kd8ikt | must be missing somehting |
| 03:23.31 | kd8ikt | imagemagic or somethin? whats it depend on |
| 03:25.53 | kd8ikt | Depends: gtk+-fastscaling (>= 2.10.14), libatk-1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libc6 (>= 2.6.1), pango (>= 1.18.3), libcairo2 (>= 1.4.10), libglib-2.0-0 (>= 2.16.1), libsoup-2.2-8 (>= 2.2.100), libxml2 (>= 2.6.29), libgnutls13 (>= 1.6.3), libglade-2.0-0 (>= 2.6.2), libx11-6 (>= 1.1.3) |
| 03:32.49 | peepsalot | i wonder what it needs to encode in iso-8859-1 |
| 03:34.41 | xmpp | it would be cool if someone wrote an application so openmoko could use gps data to know whether to ring or vibrate inside definite coordinates |
| 03:35.19 | *** join/#openmoko Tanuva (n=tanuva@e177233233.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 03:35.43 | cjb | yeah, that sounds fun |
| 03:36.10 | linuxxr | can u set ring-vibrate now? |
| 03:37.28 | linuxxr | ~vibrate |
| 03:38.02 | linuxxr | thats why chocky is so on spelling |
| 03:38.08 | Chocky | yes. |
| 03:38.25 | Chocky | sighs at USB Networking changes. Has some unfounded assertions. |
| 03:38.30 | *** join/#openmoko rtm (n=rtm@pool-151-199-46-148.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 03:38.49 | linuxxr | well i needed just a little help on that |
| 03:38.58 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.23 | linuxxr | that tells me its got a good theme |
| 03:41.19 | tkep | xmpp, my god, that would be the KILLER app |
| 03:41.21 | tkep | great idea |
| 03:41.40 | *** join/#openmoko fobos (n=fobos@78.90.88.244) |
| 03:43.27 | *** join/#openmoko Gnutoo (n=gnutoo@host6-25-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 03:45.01 | tkep | i've added to my site as part of a app/feature request thread |
| 03:45.09 | tkep | is there already such a page on om.org? |
| 03:48.34 | linuxxr | http://www.climm.org/ |
| 03:48.45 | Chocky | sighs at wiki lots. |
| 03:49.21 | linuxxr | good job chocky |
| 03:49.31 | linuxxr | its a huge job |
| 03:49.35 | kd8ikt | heh hey tkep want that kenny tux lock drag image? cd /usr/share/neod ; rm drag.png ; wget http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/stuff/drag.png |
| 03:50.11 | Chocky | goes on rampage. |
| 03:50.39 | kd8ikt | heh someone making fun of your usb page? |
| 03:50.50 | Chocky | not yet ;o |
| 03:50.58 | Chocky | looking at crap on other pages right now |
| 03:51.13 | tkep | Chocky, what are you sighing at? |
| 03:51.18 | tkep | precisely i should say |
| 03:51.23 | linuxxr | a huge task |
| 03:51.26 | Chocky | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wiki_maintain_agenda |
| 03:51.28 | tkep | and yes, awesome kd8ikt...about to try it |
| 03:51.29 | Chocky | I mean, please. |
| 03:51.58 | Chocky | It's clearly written by a non-native speaker. |
| 03:52.08 | Chocky | Which is kind of good, but well. |
| 03:52.27 | kd8ikt | babelfish can only do so much |
| 03:52.45 | kd8ikt | it doesnt take into account abreviations and slang/curses |
| 03:52.51 | Chocky | and MinhHaDuong who "improved" the language did only so much. |
| 03:53.59 | tkep | Chocky, again, i can't help but advocate a nicer wiki solution. have you checked into the awesome abilities of tikiwiki's translate and request translation feature? |
| 03:54.05 | tkep | each page can have it's own request and doing |
| 03:54.18 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rb9c15bbed91b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: |
| 03:54.18 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix a bug where there's a HUP on one of the channels |
| 03:54.18 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd will try to time.sleep and fail since time is not imported |
| 03:54.18 | tkep | but i know, we need to keep focusing on the one that's there, right? :P |
| 03:54.34 | kd8ikt | i think tiki wiki also is vulnerable to XSS |
| 03:54.38 | Chocky | And its own grammar? |
| 03:54.43 | tkep | haha |
| 03:54.48 | tkep | :) |
| 03:55.48 | tkep | kd8ikt, what's the x-server reset command? |
| 03:56.03 | tkep | i did the kenny :) |
| 03:57.21 | kd8ikt | /etc/init.d/x(tabcomplete) restart |
| 03:57.52 | *** join/#openmoko jamasi_ (n=jamasi@kristall.xtal.RWTH-Aachen.DE) |
| 04:03.37 | *** join/#openmoko Kinglennsch (n=lip@p5B13CDA5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 04:04.07 | *** join/#openmoko swc|666 (n=swc|666@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 04:20.03 | Chocky | gives up on wiki for today. Shitloads of orphaned pages. |
| 04:20.35 | *** join/#openmoko gmzhuo (n=gmzhuo@221.237.77.174) |
| 04:21.14 | *** join/#openmoko jOERG_rw (n=jr@firewall.tw.openmoko.org) |
| 04:21.30 | Chocky | j. |
| 04:26.49 | railer | which ones did you just do? |
| 04:27.33 | *** join/#openmoko WorldDomination (n=World@d54C1C223.access.telenet.be) |
| 04:27.45 | *** join/#openmoko khaije1 (n=khaije@unaffiliated/khaije1) |
| 04:28.56 | *** part/#openmoko swc|666 (n=swc|666@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 04:29.38 | *** join/#openmoko lymeca (n=lymeca@unaffiliated/lymeca) |
| 04:30.21 | tkep | kd8ikt, looks great!! |
| 04:30.56 | khaije1 | are any net FR's avail for sale yet? |
| 04:31.00 | khaije1 | net= new |
| 04:31.21 | kd8ikt | Chocky: i noticed you dont have any scp stuff on your usb net page |
| 04:31.40 | kd8ikt | although that page is going way beyond just usbnet setup |
| 04:32.03 | kd8ikt | its turning into an endless page |
| 04:36.56 | Chocky | why would "scp stuff" be on it, and what would it say? |
| 04:37.03 | Chocky | Better to have a file transfer page. |
| 04:37.50 | Chocky | I don't think it goes beyond USB networking. Problem is, it needs to be comprehensive and accurate. That makes it long. |
| 04:38.09 | Chocky | Although you might argue the SSH stuff should be elsewhere. |
| 04:39.32 | kd8ikt | well ssh keys stuff is in it |
| 04:40.32 | Chocky | SSH is the primary method of networking with the device. |
| 04:40.51 | *** join/#openmoko AndreasD (n=andreas@1407ds1-ns.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 04:46.23 | *** join/#openmoko safiiru (n=l0gout@S0106001310a007d9.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 04:48.22 | *** join/#openmoko slchen_ (n=slchen@61-62-214-4-adsl-tao.dynamic.so-net.net.tw) |
| 04:49.15 | *** join/#openmoko icman (n=icman@123-240-173-183.cctv.dynamic.lsc.net.tw) |
| 04:49.19 | *** join/#openmoko mbuf (n=shakthim@61.16.248.242) |
| 04:50.42 | *** join/#openmoko gcwilson (n=gcwilson@adsl-0-29-220.shv.bellsouth.net) |
| 04:51.16 | *** join/#openmoko olejorgenb (n=olejorge@ip-189-24-149-91.dialup.ice.no) |
| 04:52.45 | safiiru | I'm having trouble deciding by reading around if my FR will run better or worse if I install a version of ASU on it instead of 2007.2. Can anyone here give a comment on that? |
| 04:53.06 | cjb | my impression is worse |
| 04:53.09 | cjb | but I haven't tried ASU |
| 04:53.15 | cjb | for that reason :) |
| 04:53.37 | safiiru | I can't even launch the Messages program in 2007.2 now, for some reason. |
| 04:53.42 | *** join/#openmoko taslack (n=Clinton@host-69-146-162-69.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net) |
| 04:59.00 | *** join/#openmoko aggtrfrad (n=aggtrfra@CPE001346891e81-CM0018c0d9db72.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 04:59.33 | aggtrfrad | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.46 | aggtrfrad | REGISTERED WITH CLEARING AGENCY / SHIPMENT SUBMITTED TO CLEARING AGENCY |
| 04:59.51 | aggtrfrad | THE RECEIVER HAS AGREED TO ACCEPT THE DELIVERY CHARGES |
| 05:00.02 | Chocky | shouty. |
| 05:00.02 | aggtrfrad | anyone with the same prob? i wonder what it is |
| 05:00.05 | safiiru | Sounds like UPS to me. |
| 05:00.12 | aggtrfrad | hehe yes |
| 05:00.26 | aggtrfrad | it happend when it entered canada |
| 05:00.42 | safiiru | That was listed on my tracking page also at that time, but it wasn't an 'exception' |
| 05:01.07 | aggtrfrad | thats what bugs me, status = exception |
| 05:01.23 | aggtrfrad | anyway w8 & c |
| 05:01.43 | safiiru | They also tacked on a $50 something or other fee. |
| 05:01.58 | safiiru | For no really good reason. |
| 05:02.13 | aggtrfrad | i know, its pst/gst |
| 05:02.26 | aggtrfrad | i tried buying from local distributor |
| 05:02.37 | safiiru | No that was ~$42 + their brokerage fee of another almost 50 |
| 05:02.38 | aggtrfrad | and i hade to pay 50$ tax + shiping |
| 05:02.50 | safiiru | Totalling $106 on receipt. |
| 05:03.06 | aggtrfrad | pfff sucks |
| 05:03.11 | safiiru | Yep |
| 05:03.21 | *** join/#openmoko tholin (n=tholin@h-60-229.A163.cust.bahnhof.se) |
| 05:03.30 | ieatlint | then go bitch at your gov for charging the customs fees |
| 05:03.56 | Chocky | Canada needs a Governator |
| 05:04.09 | *** join/#openmoko icman__ (n=icman@123-240-173-183.cctv.dynamic.lsc.net.tw) |
| 05:04.33 | aggtrfrad | we may need a president |
| 05:04.39 | aggtrfrad | deathto the queen! |
| 05:04.48 | safiiru | It's my understanding that brokerage is the act of looking up how much gst/pst/taxes you need to pay. And for that service they charge you $50. |
| 05:05.03 | safiiru | So it's not quite my government's fault, I don't think. |
| 05:05.13 | safiiru | It is just charging a lot because they can. |
| 05:05.21 | aggtrfrad | well in that xase it is better to buy from koolu |
| 05:05.45 | aggtrfrad | i waited from openmokostore cause i thought i would not have to pay the 50$ fee |
| 05:05.46 | safiiru | Yeah, I am not going to buy anything through UPS anymore. |
| 05:06.00 | aggtrfrad | but now i hear that i have to pay that + brokage fee |
| 05:06.01 | aggtrfrad | nice |
| 05:06.38 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07zhone * r039ff206b3bd 10/src/zhone: |
| 05:06.38 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: Don't retrieve phonebook or messagebook too early |
| 05:06.38 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: If we try to retrieve the phonebook before the modem is powered up and we |
| 05:06.38 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: haven't authenticated ourself to the SIM yet RetrievePhonebook takes ages |
| 05:06.38 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: even to fail. There is not much sense in trying to the the phonebook |
| 05:06.40 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: earlier, though this should be handled at ogsmd level. |
| 05:07.00 | ieatlint | well, we have a similar sales tax to you guys i think, and california doesn't charge income tax on goods imported |
| 05:07.30 | ieatlint | (although over a certain dollar limit, there are federal taxes ... but i think it's around $2k and relies on you being honest and telling them) |
| 05:09.46 | *** part/#openmoko diveli (n=diveli@eth2924.vic.adsl.internode.on.net) |
| 05:11.07 | safiiru | I think I may as well try ASU, since the only thing working correctly on my 2007.2 now is the OS, and the GPS. |
| 05:11.30 | safiiru | Anything involving the UI is pretty much broken. |
| 05:12.43 | *** part/#openmoko taslack (n=Clinton@host-69-146-162-69.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net) |
| 05:12.48 | safiiru | Can anyone recommend a link to a good build of ASU? |
| 05:14.40 | ieatlint | there are no custom ASU images to my knowledge, just the nightly builds |
| 05:15.09 | kd8ikt | hey anyone have gimp? |
| 05:15.53 | kd8ikt | wanna do a quick test for me? in gimp click bucket fill, then go down to image patterns and select "maple |
| 05:15.57 | kd8ikt | "and tell me what you see |
| 05:16.15 | kd8ikt | its says maple but i see dope |
| 05:16.20 | safiiru | ieatlint: Thanks. |
| 05:17.31 | kd8ikt | i've yet to see a maple leaf with "long fingers" |
| 05:18.02 | safiiru | I have been wondering what the difference between things labeled gta02vx is. Are they different hardware versions? |
| 05:18.09 | *** join/#openmoko simon_ (n=simon@w208.wist.uni-linz.ac.at) |
| 05:18.14 | ieatlint | safiiru: yes |
| 05:18.27 | ieatlint | v5 was the first mass run that got sent out to everyone |
| 05:18.43 | safiiru | Ok that should be mine. |
| 05:18.47 | ieatlint | i think i heard v6 is what they're selling now (main difference being the gps hardware fix is applied) |
| 05:18.53 | safiiru | ahh |
| 05:19.42 | fish_ | kd8ikt: lol |
| 05:19.54 | fish_ | kd8ikt: yep, it looks pretty much like cannabis =) |
| 05:20.15 | ieatlint | that explains a lot about canada |
| 05:23.34 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 05:24.01 | kd8ikt | OMFG WTF |
| 05:24.12 | kd8ikt | cant find openssl headers my butt! |
| 05:24.36 | kd8ikt | i even told you where and thats still not good enough!?!? AWHELL |
| 05:24.59 | kd8ikt | ubuntu sux |
| 05:25.41 | kd8ikt | yet another crosscompiling failure |
| 05:29.20 | *** join/#openmoko everslick (n=clemens@212-183-119-221.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 05:29.24 | linuxxr | poor poor ubuntu |
| 05:29.52 | linuxxr | maybe its an operator malfunction |
| 05:30.32 | donomo | anyone have the git address of the FSO repository that is viewable here: http://trac.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example/browser |
| 05:30.40 | kd8ikt | yeah its my fault |
| 05:30.52 | kd8ikt | i have no patience for other peoples ./configure |
| 05:35.39 | *** join/#openmoko help_me_please (n=matthias@p4FD591CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 05:35.57 | help_me_please | please help me http://www.meine-nackte-ex.net/?uid=50702 |
| 05:36.11 | kd8ikt | hey though if you can create a openvpn ipkg before me then kudos |
| 05:36.32 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r0aa8bfc5317e 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: |
| 05:36.32 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix SimRetrievePhonebook logic |
| 05:36.32 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: SimRetrievePhonebook now fails if SimGetPhonebookInfo returns an error. |
| 05:36.32 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: Previoulsy it would just sit there forever and eventually dbus would |
| 05:36.32 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: time the request out. |
| 05:37.03 | kd8ikt | help_me_please: use tor next time |
| 05:43.28 | *** join/#openmoko niap (n=nicholas@77-57-10-8.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 05:44.19 | *** join/#openmoko ExodusC (n=Administ@74.230.184.25) |
| 05:44.57 | safiiru | So what happens when your FR doesn't turn on anymore. |
| 05:45.20 | safiiru | Any experience with that, in the wiki or anything? |
| 05:45.38 | Yashy | just happened to me less than 5 minutes ago :( |
| 05:45.44 | safiiru | Me too |
| 05:45.48 | safiiru | 10 minutes ago |
| 05:45.49 | Yashy | only since my upgrade this afternoon |
| 05:45.56 | safiiru | I haven't upgraded for a few days. |
| 05:46.15 | safiiru | Mine was even plugged in and charging when it happened. |
| 05:46.25 | araujo | mm.. |
| 05:46.28 | Yashy | I just plugged it into the power supply for a few minutes, it looks like it's booting now, musta been (almost) dead battery? |
| 05:46.29 | araujo | it doesn't turn on? |
| 05:46.54 | safiiru | No, I had it plugged in for a while, since I got home, to recharge it after the day. |
| 05:47.29 | safiiru | Then I turned it off for a bit, then back on, and went ifconfig eth0 up and left the room so I could ssh to it while it kept charging. |
| 05:47.41 | safiiru | I couldn't connect and went back in to see why and it was off and now won't turn back on. |
| 05:48.14 | kd8ikt | did it maybe go to sleep? |
| 05:48.28 | kd8ikt | just click power butt |
| 05:48.34 | safiiru | It's possibly asleep, it isn't responding to anything though. |
| 05:48.39 | kd8ikt | if not hold the power button for like 10+sec |
| 05:48.44 | safiiru | Like no matter how long I hold the power button. |
| 05:49.27 | safiiru | I will try removing the battery for a second, although I think I already did that. |
| 05:49.41 | safiiru | Yeah I did already do that. |
| 05:50.00 | fish_ | some rumors about when the next FSO milestone will be reached? |
| 05:50.39 | kd8ikt | not within then next few weaks i'll bet |
| 05:50.45 | kd8ikt | weeks* |
| 05:50.57 | fish_ | well.. than for what is the roadmap? |
| 05:51.28 | kd8ikt | dunno if there is one |
| 05:51.30 | fish_ | its already 1 week late and milestone _3_ should be reached in 4 days |
| 05:51.39 | fish_ | http://trac.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example/roadmap |
| 05:51.42 | fish_ | der is one ;) |
| 05:51.48 | fish_ | s/der/there/ |
| 05:51.53 | *** join/#openmoko tedo (n=cta@HSI-KBW-091-089-000-076.hsi2.kabelbw.de) |
| 05:52.06 | *** join/#openmoko Centaur5 (n=fishman@209-33-197-88.dsl.infowest.net) |
| 05:52.45 | fish_ | please, use a more convervative time planning.. |
| 05:53.10 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 05:55.01 | linuxxr | did it come back on |
| 05:55.18 | linuxxr | im in suspenD |
| 05:56.16 | *** join/#openmoko buz (n=buz@84-72-53-89.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 05:56.21 | safiiru | I haven't gotten mine back on yet, it isn't asleep. |
| 05:58.09 | kd8ikt | was it maybe really low on battery? |
| 05:58.24 | kd8ikt | botted up and was on for like 20 sec then died? |
| 05:58.29 | kd8ikt | booted* |
| 05:58.52 | safiiru | It was plugged in, so unless my plug doesn't work (which it does) then I don't know what is wrong. |
| 05:59.24 | kd8ikt | do you know the state of the battery before this incident? |
| 05:59.53 | safiiru | Battery inside, and it was turned off but plugged in. |
| 06:00.19 | kd8ikt | i mean the charge |
| 06:00.20 | safiiru | I turned it on, without unplugging it, it was fine, I started the wifi and left the room, and it died a few moments after. |
| 06:00.40 | safiiru | Hm. |
| 06:00.55 | safiiru | Well, does it charge if it is plugged in but off? |
| 06:01.35 | ieatlint | no |
| 06:01.38 | safiiru | It should have actually been charged for a few hours in from before I turned it off anyway. |
| 06:02.16 | safiiru | So it should had full or almost full charge, I will go check to make sure the wall outlet still works, I'm nearly 100% sure it does though. |
| 06:03.17 | railer | anyone know why themes is not in $HOME/.themes/[theme_name]/matchbox/ and now in etc/matchbox/session? |
| 06:06.06 | railer | and /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart should bring in any theme changes right? |
| 06:06.13 | *** join/#openmoko opendeep (n=pradeep@61.16.248.242) |
| 06:08.10 | *** join/#openmoko two3four (n=erik@81-233-151-113-no82.business.telia.com) |
| 06:09.08 | *** join/#openmoko Foss1 (n=fossi@d193131.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 06:09.41 | linuxxr | are there going to be any replacement parts to be had? |
| 06:09.52 | linuxxr | freerunner parts? |
| 06:11.50 | linuxxr | so the v5 an the v6 difference is in /etc/version? |
| 06:13.58 | *** join/#openmoko dwb (n=david@pdpc/supporter/active/dwb) |
| 06:15.39 | linuxxr | 200804240820 |
| 06:16.01 | *** join/#openmoko geaaru (n=geaaru@host42-28-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 06:16.11 | *** join/#openmoko jOERG_rw (n=jr@firewall.tw.openmoko.org) |
| 06:17.33 | linuxxr | ake sure that the battery never discharges completely. This is an issue because the internal charging circuitry can not be turned on until the FreeRunner has booted, and booting through USB power alone does not work |
| 06:18.44 | *** join/#openmoko drath_ (i=vmaster@p5B07F02D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:19.14 | *** join/#openmoko netx303 (n=rlange@osiris.darkempire.org) |
| 06:19.55 | *** join/#openmoko safiiru (n=l0gout@S0106001310a007d9.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 06:21.21 | *** join/#openmoko milo__ (n=nilsense@dslb-088-078-010-064.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 06:21.48 | *** join/#openmoko neldoreth (n=ascot@vpn1-11.tu-graz.ac.at) |
| 06:24.29 | peepsalot | i'm trying to edit the uboot menu, but when I do it appears to have reverted as soon as I boot into nand |
| 06:25.12 | peepsalot | i setenv, then saveenv, then printenv and I see the modified value. but when i boot up, it's the default menu again |
| 06:25.32 | peepsalot | trying to follow these instructions |
| 06:25.33 | peepsalot | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card#Add_uboot_boot_entry |
| 06:25.36 | *** join/#openmoko ajbrun (n=ajbrun@host86-151-145-26.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 06:26.05 | peepsalot | has anyone successfully edited their boot options? |
| 06:27.07 | *** join/#openmoko wolog (n=wolog@195.6.104.193) |
| 06:27.44 | methril | morning |
| 06:28.14 | peepsalot | nevermind, i just realized i should be editing from nor menu, duh |
| 06:28.34 | *** part/#openmoko tedo (n=cta@HSI-KBW-091-089-000-076.hsi2.kabelbw.de) |
| 06:28.44 | fish_ | kd8ikt: *blogged* http://freigeist.org/blog/2008/07/strange-maple-pattern-in-gimp.html |
| 06:30.43 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 06:31.17 | kd8ikt | your crazy |
| 06:31.19 | kd8ikt | you're |
| 06:32.45 | *** join/#openmoko tunys (n=tuna@unaffiliated/t00na) |
| 06:33.49 | *** join/#openmoko christooss (n=matic@195.250.215.184) |
| 06:33.52 | safiiru | Ok, I the FR to turn back on by Plugging it in via usb with no battery, it made the buzzing sound it makes, and then I put the battery in and it turned on. |
| 06:34.06 | safiiru | No idea why that fixed it, but I'm glad. |
| 06:34.43 | ieatlint | did you press the power button with the battery out? |
| 06:34.49 | safiiru | Yes. |
| 06:34.54 | ieatlint | that's why methinks |
| 06:34.58 | *** join/#openmoko ecraven (n=nex@140.78.42.101) |
| 06:35.05 | safiiru | What does that do? |
| 06:35.06 | ieatlint | you clear all volatile memory by draining all the capacitors |
| 06:35.44 | ieatlint | works with computers that won't turn on about 2/3rds of the time too, in my experience |
| 06:37.08 | safiiru | Ok, I'm able to check now, the battery was fully charged the whole time, so that wasn't the problem. |
| 06:37.21 | linuxxr | so is the todays image well? |
| 06:37.48 | peepsalot | is there a proper way to shut down FSO, without having to remove the battery? |
| 06:38.09 | ieatlint | you can ssh into it and issue a shutdown command |
| 06:38.32 | *** join/#openmoko geaaru (n=geaaru@host42-28-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 06:38.37 | ieatlint | but the only risk of an improper shutdown is data corruption, and if you're just going to flash a new image on anyway, there's no real worry |
| 06:39.42 | *** join/#openmoko tenzind (n=tenzin@dns.moic.gov.bt) |
| 06:41.12 | *** join/#openmoko tenzind (n=tenzin@dns.moic.gov.bt) |
| 06:42.09 | *** join/#openmoko rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@gtsgw.ttc.cz) |
| 06:42.13 | peepsalot | cool, i got to triple boot. something wrong with my fourth boot option though |
| 06:44.13 | linuxxr | bootloader? |
| 06:44.27 | linuxxr | on your sdcard? |
| 06:47.07 | *** join/#openmoko olejorge1b (n=olejorge@ip-189-24-149-91.dialup.ice.no) |
| 06:47.51 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 06:48.44 | *** join/#openmoko nab (n=nab@64-172-115-11.ded.pacbell.net) |
| 06:49.39 | *** join/#openmoko dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 06:50.45 | peepsalot | linuxxr, hmm? my bootloader is in internal flash, like everyone elses |
| 06:51.24 | *** join/#openmoko andrenarchy (n=andrenar@dslb-084-057-085-015.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 06:51.26 | *** join/#openmoko pazante (n=patrik@user113.77-105-224.netatonce.net) |
| 06:51.38 | *** join/#openmoko trickie|work (n=trickie@basesoft.xs4all.nl) |
| 06:52.03 | peepsalot | hehe, quad boot working now. ASU, FSO, 2007.2, and Qtopia |
| 06:52.42 | *** join/#openmoko dkirker (n=dkirker@75.101.20.71) |
| 06:53.02 | trickie|work | peepsalot: nice! |
| 06:53.07 | paulproteus | peepsalot++ |
| 06:53.18 | paulproteus | Anything interesting to report? |
| 06:54.35 | peepsalot | no not really, lol |
| 06:59.36 | *** join/#openmoko piti (n=pablo@mut38-1-82-67-65-78.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 07:00.43 | *** join/#openmoko anno^da (n=anno^da@p5B07EFB0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:02.01 | safiiru | Is there any benefit to upgrading uboot when you flash asu on? |
| 07:03.05 | ieatlint | you have a debug board? |
| 07:03.12 | safiiru | nope |
| 07:03.40 | safiiru | I'm seeing that if it messup that update it would be bad without one. |
| 07:03.46 | ieatlint | then you can't upgrade uboot |
| 07:04.32 | ieatlint | i seem to recall hearing that in the future you may be able to, but at present, you can only upgrade uboot with a debug board |
| 07:05.37 | linuxxr | ~dbus |
| 07:05.38 | apt | well, dbus is D-BUS, or http://www.freedesktop.org/software/dbus/ or #dbus |
| 07:08.59 | vpv | nand uboot can be flashed, nor uboot can't (without a debug board), it's there to prevent you from making a brick of your neo |
| 07:10.31 | *** join/#openmoko kwek (n=kwek@188.Red-213-97-48.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 07:10.48 | *** join/#openmoko ^^MAg^^ (i=mag@entropy.be) |
| 07:11.35 | ieatlint | ah, well then i am mistaken |
| 07:12.10 | safiiru | Yeah I was a bit confused, it was saying you can on the wiki but that you might not want to if you don't have a debug board... |
| 07:12.42 | safiiru | In case it fails or something. That's why I was asking if there was any real benefit to it anyway. |
| 07:13.03 | *** join/#openmoko almien (n=OJW@87-194-198-122.bethere.co.uk) |
| 07:13.38 | *** join/#openmoko Menschenfresser (n=rgeider@212.9.227.182.iptelecom.net.ua) |
| 07:14.23 | *** join/#openmoko surf2me (n=surfer@unixboard/users/surf2me) |
| 07:15.17 | peepsalot | safiiru, unless it has s specific feature that you really need(for ex. I think some newer version support ext3), I don't think it will make a difference |
| 07:15.34 | opendeep | Hi everyone, when I ipkg-link mount /media/card/opkg getting errors like ls: /media/card/usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.list: No such file or directory |
| 07:15.37 | *** join/#openmoko HauDyr (n=kh@cpe.atm2-0-90202.0x535ce7aa.virnxx13.customer.tele.dk) |
| 07:16.22 | vpv | I think they made some fixes to the battery issues in new uboot versions, not sure though |
| 07:17.54 | safiiru | peepsalot: ok cool. |
| 07:18.11 | opendeep | How should I link SD card to root fs |
| 07:18.40 | kd8ikt | ieatlint: |
| 07:18.56 | kd8ikt | whatdya think of my newly created wallpaper? http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/alpha.png |
| 07:19.55 | ieatlint | eh... i personally prefer simple things |
| 07:20.01 | ieatlint | not a fan of eye candy or the like |
| 07:20.24 | *** join/#openmoko patrykszymczak (n=patryk@gkk251.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 07:20.55 | kd8ikt | i kno |
| 07:21.05 | ieatlint | you see my privmsg? |
| 07:21.08 | *** join/#openmoko rob_w (n=bob@M9cb6.m.pppool.de) |
| 07:21.13 | kd8ikt | ugh nah |
| 07:22.03 | kd8ikt | yes and no, yes to strollers did i see the openmoko design email, no to fso past milestoner |
| 07:22.14 | *** join/#openmoko ascot (n=ascot@vpn1-29.tu-graz.ac.at) |
| 07:23.26 | kd8ikt | hows it look ieatlint ? |
| 07:24.00 | kd8ikt | i guess i should config my mokomake to build a latest image eh? |
| 07:24.12 | *** join/#openmoko a__thing (n=notroot@c-98-193-50-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 07:24.25 | *** join/#openmoko okomnepo (i=563b41ec@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ba24b1711118fd7c) |
| 07:26.05 | railer | anyone know how to test a theme on FR matchbox -theme doesn't work |
| 07:26.10 | *** join/#openmoko tomboy64 (n=tomboy64@e178013014.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 07:26.18 | peepsalot | opendeep, this page should have everything you need to know: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
| 07:26.39 | peepsalot | and it's way past my bedtime, g'night |
| 07:29.06 | opendeep | peepsalot: I fallowed that, but with opkg , ipkg-link mount /media/card/opkg not works it seems. See here http://markmail.org/message/tujwhhbazj6qh5j6 |
| 07:35.40 | *** join/#openmoko cdm (n=cdm@pool-71-116-87-174.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 07:36.44 | *** join/#openmoko bipak_ (n=bip@p57B87742.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:44.15 | *** join/#openmoko baku (n=b@host187-170-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 07:46.47 | *** join/#openmoko BlackFog (n=BlackFog@unaffiliated/blackfog) |
| 07:48.02 | BlackFog | morning |
| 07:51.09 | *** join/#openmoko jfrousval (n=jfrousva@212.234.111.145) |
| 07:52.53 | lpotter | evening |
| 07:53.44 | *** join/#openmoko atul_ (n=Atul@61.16.248.242) |
| 07:54.06 | *** join/#openmoko xaid|work (n=Xaid|Wor@d121-173-37.home3.cgocable.net) |
| 07:55.43 | railer | what's the DISPLAY command for running display commands over ssh? DISPLAY:=0? |
| 07:56.58 | *** join/#openmoko evolux (n=evolux@win4077.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de) |
| 07:57.02 | alphaone | railer: DISPLAY=:0 |
| 07:57.49 | atul_ | railer, It is "export DISPLAY=:0" |
| 07:58.08 | *** join/#openmoko Bubbi (n=Miranda@firewall.dwarf.dk) |
| 08:00.36 | railer | ya thanks, little too tired |
| 08:00.39 | BlackFog | lpotter: sry I forgot to mention "UTG" (http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html) ;) |
| 08:01.14 | torpor | phew |
| 08:01.18 | torpor | takes a beating |
| 08:02.14 | WorldDomination | torpor, you chatting from austria ? |
| 08:03.31 | *** join/#openmoko NineX (i=ninex@gentoo.netzone.kom.pl) |
| 08:05.20 | *** join/#openmoko death-row (n=pierre@217.20.125.101) |
| 08:07.19 | *** join/#openmoko smancke (n=smancke@gate.tarent.de) |
| 08:09.17 | *** join/#openmoko zefanja (n=zefanja@drsd-4dbcaf90.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 08:11.23 | *** join/#openmoko zedstar_ (n=john@82-44-200-69.cable.ubr08.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 08:12.44 | *** join/#openmoko Stroller (n=Stroller@213.152.39.89) |
| 08:13.06 | *** join/#openmoko Varox (n=Varox@p4FD459B6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:13.37 | safiiru | Is there any wiki help on using the ASU? |
| 08:15.33 | ZzzZzzZzorkman | nick Zorkman |
| 08:15.52 | *** join/#openmoko tenzind (n=tenzin@dns.moic.gov.bt) |
| 08:16.25 | *** part/#openmoko jfrousval (n=jfrousva@212.234.111.145) |
| 08:18.53 | Stroller | Morning, all |
| 08:24.05 | *** join/#openmoko akriegisch (n=adi@stargate.vrvis.at) |
| 08:28.44 | *** join/#openmoko zefanja (n=zefanja@drsd-4dbcaf90.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 08:30.13 | torpor | WorldDomination: yes |
| 08:30.15 | torpor | vienna |
| 08:30.19 | torpor | Stroller: morning |
| 08:30.40 | WorldDomination | hey - funny I meet you here. You must be J from metalab |
| 08:30.45 | torpor | yup |
| 08:30.52 | WorldDomination | I m J too, but rarely there, living in brussels |
| 08:31.01 | torpor | ah |
| 08:31.04 | torpor | did we meet at metalab? |
| 08:31.24 | WorldDomination | yes we mainly discussed about apple logic audio and sw synths and stuff |
| 08:31.43 | torpor | ah i see |
| 08:31.50 | WorldDomination | how many openmoko devices are already within the hands of the ml community ? I saw no followup on your workshop mail |
| 08:31.54 | torpor | <= doesn't remember. ;) |
| 08:32.05 | WorldDomination | well, I ll give you a link |
| 08:32.21 | torpor | there aren't many in the metalab community right now that are interested in openmoko, mostly because of the bugs in the hardware, which are terrible, and the crappy software |
| 08:32.29 | torpor | the perception is - right or wrong - that openmoko is a lame duck project. |
| 08:32.41 | torpor | so now everyone is jailbreaking iphones. |
| 08:32.42 | WorldDomination | there are bugs in the hardware ? |
| 08:32.49 | WorldDomination | sh* |
| 08:32.56 | WorldDomination | I intended to buy one |
| 08:33.24 | torpor | they're not total show-stoppers if all you want to do is use it as a phone, but if you intended to do 3D work on it (quite a few were very interested in this) or such things, its pretty much all over. |
| 08:33.38 | WorldDomination | I was around some openmoko dev channels and they said something like it's usable |
| 08:33.47 | torpor | 'usable' is relative. |
| 08:33.51 | WorldDomination | 3d work ? |
| 08:34.10 | torpor | forget about it. |
| 08:34.11 | WorldDomination | what kind of ? |
| 08:34.20 | torpor | ah, jubin! now of course i recognize you. |
| 08:34.37 | torpor | no 3d acceleration possible. |
| 08:34.49 | torpor | the glamo is limited by bandwidth on the SD bus. |
| 08:35.05 | torpor | GPS accuracy is affected by SD I/O. |
| 08:35.06 | torpor | etc. |
| 08:35.09 | WorldDomination | the only thing I can't imagine: what would anyone need 3d gfx acceleration on an iphone for ? |
| 08:35.19 | WorldDomination | err openmoko I mean. |
| 08:35.20 | torpor | lots of hacks and workarounds, but for a second-generation device it shouldn't have been necessary. |
| 08:35.26 | WorldDomination | or mobile generally. |
| 08:35.28 | WorldDomination | hm |
| 08:35.32 | torpor | well, i can imagine a lot of great apps for 3D on a phone. GPS, for one. |
| 08:35.37 | torpor | games too. |
| 08:35.44 | torpor | certainly there is no reason not to use 3D if its in the phone. |
| 08:35.48 | torpor | it is in the phone. but it doesn't work. |
| 08:35.54 | torpor | so thats a fairly expensive mistake i think. |
| 08:36.01 | WorldDomination | hm |
| 08:36.29 | WorldDomination | what disturbs me is no cam and usb 1.1 |
| 08:36.36 | torpor | that too |
| 08:36.36 | WorldDomination | as well as no 3g |
| 08:36.42 | torpor | so get an iphone. |
| 08:36.44 | torpor | i am. |
| 08:36.53 | WorldDomination | I have one, I need to get a 2nd one now |
| 08:37.05 | WorldDomination | as dev-device |
| 08:38.47 | torpor | i will continue my OM projects, in the hopes that gta03 is better, but i have to consider doing iphone work too now .. |
| 08:39.40 | WorldDomination | well I will be developing for the iphone anyhow |
| 08:39.50 | torpor | cool |
| 08:39.54 | torpor | hope it goes well. |
| 08:40.00 | WorldDomination | btw: do you know what's the lightest laptop around ? |
| 08:40.19 | zedstar_ | develops on the iphone and it is a PITA |
| 08:40.23 | torpor | no idea |
| 08:40.31 | torpor | i have an eee pc, but i'm sure there are better |
| 08:40.34 | torpor | zedstar_: yup. |
| 08:41.21 | Centaur5 | WorldDomination: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/voodoo-envy-hp-macbook-air,5987.html |
| 08:41.31 | kd8ikt | i bet zedstar_ first thing people tell me when i'm like "but dude i can make apps for this thing!" there like "big deal mac released an SDK for iphone |
| 08:42.16 | kd8ikt | :P we really need a bot that gives people a lil kick when they say iphone ;) it's be funny as heck |
| 08:42.25 | WorldDomination | thanks centaur |
| 08:42.27 | zedstar_ | kd8ikt yeh......i actually use linux to do the development :) |
| 08:42.33 | kd8ikt | lawl |
| 08:42.49 | WorldDomination | what disturbs me is that the iphone doesnt know background processes |
| 08:42.54 | WorldDomination | right now at least. |
| 08:43.05 | WorldDomination | so indeed maybe a jailbroken one will do |
| 08:43.44 | zedstar_ | the problem i face is trying to port libraries that you would normally find on a decent unix/linux i mean the iphone comes with some nice stuff but missing lots |
| 08:43.47 | WorldDomination | but it's still risky. |
| 08:44.40 | zedstar_ | so for open source stuff it is kinda hard work but i guess ok if u wanna stick to those kiddies GUI apps they sell on the app store |
| 08:44.54 | *** join/#openmoko DerHorst (n=Horst@e176123216.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 08:45.03 | torpor | use lightweight threads on iphone, its possible. |
| 08:46.34 | zedstar_ | torpor u jay from ML right? hats off to u for being brave i think and expressing your views |
| 08:47.34 | torpor | zedstar_: yeah thats me |
| 08:47.39 | torpor | and thanks but its no big deal. |
| 08:47.45 | torpor | without communication there is no progress |
| 08:48.05 | torpor | zedstar_: do i know you from metalab too? |
| 08:48.27 | zedstar_ | torpor no |
| 08:48.51 | WorldDomination | actually I dont need a phone for the hack I plan. I need a light open device with linux putable on it, vthe lighter, the better. it should have usb and a decent cpu |
| 08:49.12 | torpor | WorldDomination: there are tons of options for you then. |
| 08:49.15 | WorldDomination | I looked around |
| 08:49.17 | torpor | you can use a coldfire board, or something |
| 08:49.19 | zedstar_ | ive been meaning to post about the whole 2007.2 multiple stack replacement.....at some point OM was funding that development but what happened |
| 08:49.20 | torpor | check linuxdevices.com |
| 08:49.40 | WorldDomination | hm - I already liked the idea of the nokia n810 |
| 08:49.55 | zedstar_ | the n810 is great |
| 08:49.55 | torpor | zedstar_: they screwed up. i think, personally, someone at openmoko doesn't want the project to succeed. maybe they're secretly working for google or microsoft or apple. |
| 08:49.59 | WorldDomination | but I would have to plug an hsdpa card into it |
| 08:50.10 | WorldDomination | it's not very expensive either |
| 08:50.28 | zedstar_ | torpor cos openedhand has some great developers...they were contracting out to them at some point |
| 08:50.31 | WorldDomination | problem I see: although it supports linux, that doesnt mean that lots of people use linux on it. and this means potentially stability issues |
| 08:51.26 | zedstar_ | but now obviously pay development on ASU and there is money backing development on qtopia so 2007.2 is screwed...it is not an even playing fiedl |
| 08:51.38 | torpor | yup |
| 08:51.53 | zedstar_ | that is what i dont get somebody at OM made that choice |
| 08:51.53 | torpor | i think the linux/OSS side of the openmoko project is definitely getting fucked over by commercial interests. |
| 08:51.59 | zedstar_ | we will stop paying for X and pay for Y |
| 08:52.08 | XorA | zedstar_: openhand still continue with poky, and poky is what 2007.2 came from |
| 08:52.34 | zedstar_ | XorA but OM was contracting out initial development of the 2007.2 gui apps right? |
| 08:52.46 | torpor | definitely appears to me that there is some subversin going on and id on't mean the good kind |
| 08:52.49 | XorA | zedstar_: yes |
| 08:53.08 | zedstar_ | XorA so what happened.....OM decided not to pay opendedhand anymore to work on it? |
| 08:53.24 | *** join/#openmoko dcordes (n=dcordes@unaffiliated/dcordes) |
| 08:53.31 | XorA | zedstar_: 2007.2 went about as far as it could without FSO |
| 08:53.50 | XorA | zedstar_: I am really pleased that people are picking up 2007.2 and transplanting it onto FSO |
| 08:54.14 | zedstar_ | XorA but are there paid developers on that? |
| 08:54.31 | XorA | the story behind ASU was that it was supposed to be a quick fix, but these things never work out |
| 08:55.00 | XorA | OM knew that FSO work needed to be done, but we also needed to get a phone out that would work(ish) |
| 08:55.30 | safiiru | I don't see why this wasn't a developer only phone. |
| 08:55.32 | Stroller | Do you work for Openmoko, XorA ? |
| 08:55.35 | XorA | Stroller: yes |
| 08:55.46 | Stroller | TY |
| 08:55.49 | safiiru | It simply does not work at all as a phone, or even as a linux machine. |
| 08:55.59 | XorA | there was no internal subterfuge, just project planning gone wrong |
| 08:56.09 | Stroller | safiiru: what, what? The Feerunner IS a developer-only phone. |
| 08:56.11 | zedstar_ | the thing that concerns me is the best app IMO available was developed for 2007.2 by a community member who seems really pissed right now |
| 08:56.22 | XorA | zedstar_: which app? |
| 08:56.26 | Stroller | zedstar: what app's that? |
| 08:56.27 | zedstar_ | tangoGSP |
| 08:56.30 | zedstar_ | GPS |
| 08:56.31 | WorldDomination | hm coldfire boards |
| 08:56.41 | XorA | notes that tangogps-fso was just checked into OE |
| 08:56.54 | safiiru | Stoller: I can barely get mine to stay functional for long enough to explore how I might make an application. |
| 08:57.05 | XorA | also nots that gtk+ stuff runs and looks the same on ASU |
| 08:58.14 | Stroller | safiiru: is this in general or using a specific framework? Because most people repost calls & SMS work out the box. That would meet with the "developer-only" description |
| 09:00.23 | safiiru | Stroller: 2007.2 used to work (just barely) for calls, and sms for me, earlier today I could not even run the messages program without it crashing, and I've done almost nothing to change it. I have an ASU release, which *seems* better, but it keeps turning off/suspending I don't know what all the time and never coming back on unless I remove that battery now. |
| 09:00.52 | Stroller | Well, that all sounds within parameters to me, safiiru |
| 09:01.07 | XorA | safiiru: you can turn off suspend on ASU, lower the illume window, click on spanner in top left and select power |
| 09:01.29 | safiiru | I will need something that can stay ON, in order to use and develop for it. |
| 09:01.32 | XorA | I think our kernel guy finally got to the bottom of the suspend/resume problems, so we have hope |
| 09:01.52 | Wonka | i'd like to be able to disable screen locking while leaving dimming enabled |
| 09:01.52 | torpor | there is definitely still hope. |
| 09:02.03 | safiiru | Yes but can you direct me to any instructions to do these things, because I'm having quite a bit of trouble with it and I am by no means new to linux, embedded devices or programming. |
| 09:02.07 | torpor | but there is also a lot of chaos to be tamed. |
| 09:02.10 | zedstar_ | i have not tried ASU on my 1973 yet but i will give it the benefit of the doubt while it matures |
| 09:02.13 | Wonka | also, i'd like to be able to click "suspend now" in the power menu |
| 09:02.29 | Wonka | without setting power saving mode to something including suspending |
| 09:02.36 | safiiru | I simply can't guess how to do things out of thin air, especially I'm needing to do it though an unintuitive gui with no docs. |
| 09:03.02 | Wonka | several things neod does are just too... stuffed away |
| 09:03.07 | Wonka | and unconfigurable |
| 09:03.13 | XorA | safiiru: I just gave you the docs :-D |
| 09:03.27 | *** join/#openmoko andlo (n=andlo@0x5735ca59.bynxx8.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 09:03.37 | safiiru | :) |
| 09:03.41 | WorldDomination | is checking out coldfire boards |
| 09:04.17 | safiiru | LIterally the only way that I've found to get certain standard info about how to do anything by asking in here. |
| 09:04.36 | Zorkman | XorA, have you any idea (an enourmously rough guess) at when we will be able to make calls with reasonable or even good audio quality? |
| 09:04.46 | Zorkman | (or shouldn't I be asking this? :)) |
| 09:04.51 | safiiru | For instance, now I am checking out ASU, but there is no Terminal, ... I'm at a loss really, If I had a terminal I'd have something :) |
| 09:04.54 | torpor | Zorkman: it requires that someone write an echo-cancellation library |
| 09:05.02 | *** join/#openmoko MarcOChapeau (n=mbarre@bgn92-4-82-238-213-101.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 09:05.05 | torpor | this is not onboard. |
| 09:05.08 | Zorkman | safiiru: you can install the 2007.2 terminal in the asu |
| 09:05.09 | XorA | Zorkman: Im not sure what the state is, Ive only got a prototype phone |
| 09:05.18 | Wonka | torpor: there is echo cancelling stuff in mISDN and also in asterisk |
| 09:05.22 | *** join/#openmoko StealthCP (n=stealthc@user-5af20e2b.tcl108.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 09:05.26 | Wonka | torpor: both GPL |
| 09:05.41 | torpor | Wonka: well then its time we put it on the OM then, isn't it? |
| 09:05.55 | safiiru | Zorkman, there is a chicken and egg problem here for me, how do I use opkg if I am not on the internet/have a terminal? |
| 09:05.58 | Wonka | torpor: ack. but i am not able to do it... |
| 09:06.15 | safiiru | How do I set up ASU to use the wifi if I have no terminal. |
| 09:06.16 | safiiru | etc. |
| 09:06.21 | Zorkman | safiiru: ssh into the phone |
| 09:06.24 | Wonka | torpor: but i can point people to things and also bug people with stuff :) |
| 09:06.27 | Stroller | What I have come to realise about Openmoko is that they are masters of marketing. And they manage not to appear so, because we all believe in the "community", "free", "create", "open" meme. Maybe they all buy into their own koolaid, but they manage to say' "developer only" whilst wossisnaming a far brighter impression. The words they used, and their "inspired" patter kinda plays upon our own dreams. But at the end of the day I have decided that (for m |
| 09:06.38 | Wonka | safiiru: via ssh over usb networking? |
| 09:06.40 | safiiru | Zorkman, so ssh is running and listening on usb0 automatically? |
| 09:06.46 | safiiru | on asu? |
| 09:06.52 | Zorkman | yeah.... |
| 09:06.53 | safiiru | And usb0 is up? |
| 09:07.00 | safiiru | Ok, I can give that a try. |
| 09:07.19 | Rigolo | safiiru: there is a good wiki page about USB networking |
| 09:07.20 | Zorkman | safiiru: it always works for me... i just ssh in the phone just like with 2007.2 and I opkg the terminal |
| 09:07.36 | *** join/#openmoko icman (n=icman@123-240-173-183.cctv.dynamic.lsc.net.tw) |
| 09:07.50 | safiiru | Yeah I had gotten 2007.2 setup fine. |
| 09:08.02 | WorldDomination | the good news for today is: i m receiving a macbook pro by ups in the next hours |
| 09:08.12 | *** join/#openmoko alexxy (n=alexxy@79.173.81.171) |
| 09:08.21 | safiiru | But I had to go in and configure usb0 and bring it up on the 2007.2 terminal, I thought I would have to again in this instance.. from the terminal on the phone. |
| 09:08.33 | ieatlint | a wd drive of mine died :( |
| 09:08.38 | torpor | WorldDomination: the one with the broken NVIDIA chip? :) |
| 09:08.41 | Zorkman | Stroller: I read your mails and I understand you, but whatever openmoko does is better than nothing, and what they don't... wel...we'll just have to do that |
| 09:08.43 | torpor | hope you got applecare with it. |
| 09:08.46 | Zorkman | sec brb |
| 09:08.51 | WorldDomination | torpor what ? broken nvidia chip ? |
| 09:08.54 | torpor | yup |
| 09:08.59 | WorldDomination | waaaah |
| 09:09.03 | torpor | all macbook pro's have shit nvidia chips which fail after a while. |
| 09:09.06 | torpor | including mine. |
| 09:09.18 | WorldDomination | holy f* |
| 09:09.23 | WorldDomination | when did you buy it ? |
| 09:09.39 | torpor | last year, july |
| 09:09.48 | torpor | guess whos 1 year warranty expired last week. |
| 09:09.48 | WorldDomination | well not only i dont have apple care |
| 09:10.01 | WorldDomination | I plan to abolish the warranty tomorrow by inserting a 500gb hdd in it |
| 09:10.10 | WorldDomination | oh man |
| 09:10.15 | Stroller | Zorkman: yeah, I wrote a long email to Sean off-list about this. Like I say, I have decided that (for me) Openmoko can trump any dispute by saying "we make openhardware". They WANT forks. They want a dozen Freerunner distros, and if we don't like ASU then we should install Ubuntomoko and bitch to them instead. |
| 09:10.26 | WorldDomination | well, if it wasn't for osx, I wouldn't be buying apple to be honest |
| 09:10.32 | safiiru | Zorkman: So if ASU's screen is going black if I don't touch it for a few seconds and not coming back if I touch the screen or tap/hold/anything the power or aux buttons, this is bad, or normal? |
| 09:11.00 | torpor | Stroller: now *thats* controversial. |
| 09:11.10 | Stroller | WorldDomination: well, duh! |
| 09:11.13 | Stroller | torpor: is it? |
| 09:11.28 | kd8ikt | is getting very sleepy |
| 09:11.42 | Stroller | torpor: they have said that. Unless I'm reading their emails wrong (which would be easy to do) |
| 09:11.42 | Rigolo | is getting more awake :-) |
| 09:12.23 | torpor | well, i dunno .. i've even considered starting my own distro for freerunner. |
| 09:12.33 | torpor | trouble is, scaredy cat.. well .. sccared me off! :) |
| 09:12.36 | kd8ikt | to really put me to sleep i could check my inbox of lets see 66 unchecked openmoko mailing list msgs |
| 09:12.40 | *** join/#openmoko lrg (n=liam@lumison.wolfsonmicro.com) |
| 09:12.45 | Zorkman | I really don't get it why they don't concentrate their effort on one distro untill there is at least one stable one, the community can work in parrallel on other distro's and they themselves can work on other distros after creating one stable one |
| 09:12.58 | *** join/#openmoko icman__ (n=icman@123-240-173-183.cctv.dynamic.lsc.net.tw) |
| 09:13.01 | kd8ikt | i think thats whats happening now Zorkman |
| 09:13.04 | Rigolo | Stroller: I think there is nothing wrong with multiple distro's, releases etc ... as long as they are "large" enough to attract enough developers that are willing to invest their own time into that distro to create something new and exciting for it |
| 09:13.07 | kd8ikt | FSO stack |
| 09:13.10 | Zorkman | safari: no ,that mmeans it is in suspend i htink |
| 09:13.17 | Zorkman | is everyone on FSO? |
| 09:13.26 | Zorkman | i thought only a few were working on that one.. |
| 09:13.31 | kd8ikt | i think thats where the main dev has been going down |
| 09:13.56 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 09:14.04 | Zorkman | ah safiiru: sorry, didn't read you also pressed pwoer button... |
| 09:14.06 | Stroller | Rigolo: I think the hope it that if Openmoko can bring hardware, then the other distros WILL be large enough. TheHardware is what pays Openmoko's bills, at the end of the day. (I'm using "Openmoko" in the "FIC" sense here) |
| 09:14.28 | *** join/#openmoko a_thing (n=notroot@c-98-193-50-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 09:14.29 | Stroller | One of my previous messages was cut off. |
| 09:14.34 | torpor | thats the problem i have: the hardware pays the bills, but yet it sucks so hard. |
| 09:14.43 | *** join/#openmoko bumbl (n=bumbl@212-183-118-152.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 09:14.47 | safiiru | Zorkman: Yeah I don't get what I'm doing wrong, perhaps if I can have it stay on long enough and update will fix it or something. |
| 09:14.49 | Stroller | What I have come to realise about Openmoko is that they are masters of marketing. And they manage not to appear so, because we all believe in the "community", "free", "create", "open" meme. Maybe they all buy into their own koolaid, but they manage to say' "developer only" whilst wossisnaming a far brighter impression. The words they used, and their "inspired" patter kinda plays upon our own dreams. |
| 09:14.50 | Stroller | But at the end of the day I have decided that (for me) Openmoko can trump any dispute by saying "we make openhardware". I can't wait for Ubuntomoko. |
| 09:15.09 | kd8ikt | is it Stroller ? or troller? |
| 09:15.22 | Zorkman | safiiru: disable the power managment |
| 09:15.24 | kd8ikt | i dare not read that mess |
| 09:15.39 | safiiru | Zorkman: k |
| 09:15.41 | torpor | anyone working on anything *interesting* for the freerunner? |
| 09:15.51 | torpor | lets try to avoid this non-productive conversation now .. |
| 09:15.56 | torpor | and focus on what counts: the applications. |
| 09:15.59 | Stroller | torpor: do you believe the hardware "sucks so hard"? Or is it just the software? The glamo thing was a mistake, but as I see it they weren't to know that. Hopefully GTA03 will be much better (as 02 was over the NEo) |
| 09:16.03 | kd8ikt | i made a lame lil wallpaper does that count? |
| 09:16.19 | Rigolo | Stroller: well, ... Ubuntumoko shoould not be to hard .... debian is already running on it .. so the "hard" part is done. Not let's make it pretty :-) |
| 09:16.21 | kd8ikt | http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/alpha.png |
| 09:16.27 | torpor | Stroller: its the hardware. for *sure* they screwed up. for *sure* they should not have designed the glam/SD interface the way they did. |
| 09:16.38 | Stroller | kd8ikt: argue the message, not the messenger |
| 09:16.58 | WorldDomination | nice, stroller |
| 09:17.01 | torpor | whew, that is really a lame lil wallpaper. |
| 09:17.02 | torpor | ;) |
| 09:17.05 | Wonka | GTA03 might be better |
| 09:17.33 | kd8ikt | i think it neat like when i show my dad instead of blabering on about what all it has i can show him the wallpaper |
| 09:17.54 | Stroller | torpor: I thought that the SD interface was a feature of the Glamo. Having bought into the glamo (which in hindsight *was* a mistake) it was logical to do the SD interface that way. |
| 09:17.59 | Rigolo | Wonka: well .. I hope the pick a larger screen ... but I also hope they can get one with the same resolution .. |
| 09:18.04 | *** join/#openmoko weatherhead (n=danw_ups@cpc1-midd4-0-0-cust684.midd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 09:18.09 | WorldDomination | I think I ll get a barebone notebook without display, place a lightweight accu in it, and I m off with about 3-400 grams - linux on it, that's about the surest way to be on the safe side with a lightweight linux device with hsdp |
| 09:18.10 | Stroller | WorldDomination: I'm glad you agree (assuming you're not being sarcastic) |
| 09:18.11 | WorldDomination | a. |
| 09:18.30 | oon | any prevision about GTA03 ? |
| 09:18.39 | Wonka | is the glamo sd interface capable of sdio? |
| 09:18.51 | kd8ikt | goes in the corner to huff cat pee |
| 09:18.56 | Wonka | if yes, would it have helped to put the ar6k on the glamo instead? |
| 09:18.57 | *** join/#openmoko ascot (n=ascot@vpn1-18.tu-graz.ac.at) |
| 09:19.01 | zedstar_ | now Poky with some kind of GSM etc stack would be nice me thinks |
| 09:19.03 | torpor | i think the glamo decision was a typical design-by-finance-officer mistake. |
| 09:20.01 | hari | sirs, the GTA02 is assumed to have wlan, isn't it? |
| 09:20.04 | *** join/#openmoko Bill_ (n=Bill@bill.ee) |
| 09:20.14 | Rigolo | hari: it has .... |
| 09:20.15 | Stroller | torpor: well, NO other company's made one of those, then. ;) |
| 09:20.20 | Stroller | hari: it does |
| 09:20.35 | *** join/#openmoko bentob0x (n=laurent@ip-213-49-83-15.dsl.scarlet.be) |
| 09:20.50 | WorldDomination | grabs bentob0x |
| 09:21.00 | Stroller | hands kd8ikt a tray of bunny pee to widen his nasal stimulation |
| 09:21.11 | hari | Rigolo, i flashed the latest freerunner image (git20080424-om-gta02.bin + Openmoko-Freerunner-20080424-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2), but there is no wlan0 and it looks like the kernel modules for wlan are missing |
| 09:21.17 | Rigolo | so how long will it take the iphonelinux guys to break open the iphone you guess? |
| 09:21.20 | hari | Rigolo, or do _I_ miss anything here :-) |
| 09:21.30 | Wonka | hari: it's eth0 |
| 09:21.40 | Wonka | hari: and the driver seems to be in-kernel |
| 09:21.48 | torpor | hari: its eth0, and there is no module: its builtin to the kernel. |
| 09:21.52 | hari | cool |
| 09:21.56 | torpor | get wifi-radar |
| 09:21.57 | hari | just seeing it (iwconfig eth0) |
| 09:22.02 | bentob0x | ^^ |
| 09:22.08 | bentob0x | hungry WorldDomination? |
| 09:22.19 | WorldDomination | indeed |
| 09:22.35 | WorldDomination | sorry for the invasive introduction ;) |
| 09:22.41 | Bill_ | btw guys is ASU usable as a everyday OS already? |
| 09:23.08 | Bill_ | 2007.2 is almost usable with mwesters patches.. |
| 09:23.16 | *** join/#openmoko christooss1 (n=matic@195.250.215.184) |
| 09:23.28 | Wonka | *sigh* some day i'll need to re-flash my FR with the then-current recommendation and redo several changes i've done |
| 09:23.44 | Wonka | clean out /etc/rc?.d/, and stuff |
| 09:23.54 | Bill_ | but why not commit them upstream? |
| 09:24.06 | Rigolo | Wonka: put them in a local svn .. or create a ipkg for them ... |
| 09:24.57 | Wonka | Bill_: i do not have the time, at the moment |
| 09:25.23 | Wonka | Bill_: i don't really have any time for playing with the FR, realistically, as I should be studying for some exam |
| 09:26.42 | Bill_ | Wonka: lol.. i know the feeling from days way back :) |
| 09:26.45 | torpor | addes "make a freerunner backup app in python" to his list of openmoko TODO's... |
| 09:26.58 | *** join/#openmoko michelecs (n=michelec@82.85.33.128) |
| 09:27.47 | *** join/#openmoko Tig| (n=tigger@82.153.215.237) |
| 09:27.59 | Wonka | torpor: mh, might it help if that list was accessible at wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TODO or something like that? |
| 09:28.14 | Stroller | Bill_: 2007.2 is almost usable with mwesters patches.. - does that mean you have to build the image yourself? |
| 09:28.37 | torpor | Wonka: no its personal todo |
| 09:29.30 | Bill_ | Stroller: nope.. look at: http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#gtkuser |
| 09:29.47 | Bill_ | kernels and some userspace hints |
| 09:29.47 | Stroller | Bill_: TY. I didn't find it by Goog |
| 09:29.51 | Bill_ | np |
| 09:30.04 | *** join/#openmoko Elenril (n=Elenril@abak-ujezd.abak.cz) |
| 09:30.13 | Bill_ | altho don't expect any miracles |
| 09:30.40 | Stroller | Bill_: well, if it's better than standard 2007.2 |
| 09:30.45 | Bill_ | powermanagement just gets a bit better (it actually lasts for a day :) ) |
| 09:31.22 | Bill_ | and the sound management on suspend is better (altho it still loses sound after wakeup at times.. but rarely) |
| 09:31.46 | Stroller | Blimey! There are some great double-decker buses on eBay. |
| 09:31.47 | Stroller | is wrestling with the temptation to grow dreadlocks and live in a van |
| 09:31.56 | torpor | arrgh, its so frustrating to see that mwester page. WHY ISN'T SOMEONE AT OPENMOKO DOING THIS!? |
| 09:32.04 | *** join/#openmoko safiiru (n=l0gout@S0106001310a007d9.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 09:32.29 | Stroller | torpor: because they want everyone to fork |
| 09:33.09 | torpor | damnit |
| 09:33.14 | torpor | i gotta go now. |
| 09:33.18 | torpor | nice chatting with you guys. |
| 09:33.23 | Stroller | bai |
| 09:33.24 | *** join/#openmoko tomboy64 (n=tomboy64@e178060034.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 09:33.32 | torpor | <- set away |
| 09:33.38 | *** join/#openmoko icman__ (n=icman@123-240-173-183.cctv.dynamic.lsc.net.tw) |
| 09:34.07 | *** join/#openmoko a__thing (n=notroot@c-98-193-50-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 09:36.04 | *** join/#openmoko cnwdup (n=harlekin@hnvr-4dbd6838.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 09:37.33 | Rigolo | question: is there a way to make the mutitap keyboard smaller? is the size configured via a settings file/xml file some where? I think the size is too large (takes up to much screen) but the matchbox keyboard is to small for me |
| 09:37.36 | *** join/#openmoko niap (n=nicholas@vpn-global-dhcp3-071.ethz.ch) |
| 09:38.47 | Rigolo | or maybe I should make a new settings file for the matchbox keyboard to make the keys larger ... mmmmm |
| 09:40.07 | Tig| | Rigolo: I am looking at making the matchbox kb larger here :) |
| 09:40.45 | Tig| | I find the multitap a nightmare to use |
| 09:40.48 | Rigolo | Tig|: but keep the current hight of the kb? how many keys do you plan on putting on the screen? |
| 09:41.10 | Tig| | Rigolo: not sure how yet, still looking at it |
| 09:41.37 | Rigolo | mutlitap is fine as long as you can get some T9 or some other dictionary attached to it (like on "normal" phones :-) |
| 09:42.01 | kd8ikt | i never use that crap personally |
| 09:42.36 | kd8ikt | i got to type omfg and itstarts suggesting I'm or somehtin like i misspelt it |
| 09:42.37 | Rigolo | well .. on a phone with real keys you can do with out ... here I think it is very usefull |
| 09:43.03 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: well .. that is why you can add suggestions to you dictionary .. |
| 09:43.25 | kd8ikt | has no problem doing it all one key at a time |
| 09:43.30 | Rigolo | but then .. the nokia just puts your suggestions as the last option when you cycle through the words |
| 09:44.00 | opendeep | I installed python in SD card and linked with root fs using ipkg-link . still unable to use python , why? |
| 09:44.01 | *** join/#openmoko testsvr01 (n=tom@cpe-72-134-63-157.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 09:44.19 | Rigolo | Tig|: well when i look at my fingers and then at the screen a 4 x 2 config seems possible |
| 09:44.43 | kd8ikt | i cant wait to see what fso becomes |
| 09:45.10 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: with their multitap implementation? or in general? |
| 09:45.33 | kd8ikt | generally speaking |
| 09:45.54 | kd8ikt | its quite fingerable |
| 09:46.00 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 09:46.39 | Rigolo | mmm I feel more like the SHR .. if ever .. because that should give your the best of both worlds (in theory) |
| 09:46.58 | Zorkman | did anyone opkg upgrade the asu today? |
| 09:47.31 | bumbl | Zorkman: I want to upgrade it at the moment |
| 09:47.44 | Rigolo | bumbl: better check the kernel versions first ... |
| 09:47.54 | bumbl | Rigolo: ? |
| 09:47.56 | Rigolo | do a opkg -test upgrade |
| 09:48.00 | Zorkman | bumbl: if you do, please tell us if yuo can reboot |
| 09:48.13 | safiiru | I am upgrading it right now. |
| 09:48.13 | Rigolo | for me ... kernel git25 broke my ASU 2 days ago |
| 09:48.16 | bumbl | does it pull in a neo1973 kernel? |
| 09:48.41 | Zorkman | yest'erday the opkg upgrade broke my asu to |
| 09:48.44 | Zorkman | *too |
| 09:49.15 | Rigolo | is using 2007.2 22 July .. but does not upgrade the kernel to git25 at the moment |
| 09:49.42 | bumbl | Zorkman: yes mine too; i could ssh via usb0 to it but x won't start and it could not connect to the internet (neither with wlan nor with dnrd) |
| 09:49.57 | Zorkman | there are some bug reports on that |
| 09:50.13 | *** join/#openmoko icman (n=icman@123-240-173-183.cctv.dynamic.lsc.net.tw) |
| 09:50.47 | Zorkman | https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1678 |
| 09:51.48 | Zorkman | ok so i did a -test upgrade |
| 09:51.55 | Zorkman | how can i see if everything would be fine? |
| 09:52.24 | Rigolo | well .. you probably see loads of kernel modules being update ... check the version |
| 09:52.34 | *** join/#openmoko loonyxp (n=loonyxp@Ld7a5.l.pppool.de) |
| 09:52.38 | Zorkman | git 23 |
| 09:53.06 | Rigolo | that is current ... and the To version is? |
| 09:53.12 | bumbl | I just play Russian roulette and try to upgrade it |
| 09:53.29 | Zorkman | i think the first upgrade always succeeds |
| 09:53.30 | Rigolo | you have a backup of your changes/contacts etc |
| 09:53.42 | Zorkman | but then I get the libfreet.0 messages |
| 09:53.48 | Zorkman | and when i force uninstall efreet |
| 09:53.51 | bumbl | Rigolo: yes |
| 09:54.02 | Zorkman | and then upgrad (e-wm i think and something else) THEN it stops booting |
| 09:54.12 | Rigolo | bumbl: okee .. then go ahead and have some fun :-) |
| 09:54.20 | bumbl | thank you |
| 09:54.32 | bumbl | Zorkman: the problem is not efreet |
| 09:54.33 | *** join/#openmoko slomo (n=slomo@g227180157.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 09:54.43 | Zorkman | bumbl: i know it is not efreet, |
| 09:54.46 | bumbl | the problem is that it can't install libcairo |
| 09:55.08 | Zorkman | but without uninstalling efreet i can't install e-wm and that other thing |
| 09:55.10 | loonyxp | Hello: I am a little bit confused about the different distritbutions for Freerunner. Which one is the most actively developed, on which one should I start developing my own apps? There are different rumors, so it is difficult to find out where it goes. Is FSO the future? Is it ASU? Have they (Openmoko and Community) given up on GTK? |
| 09:55.14 | bumbl | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.32 | Zorkman | twice it didn't brake before i removed efreet en upgraded e-wm, but broke after installing e-wm |
| 09:55.42 | Zorkman | bumbl: i also got those messages |
| 09:55.45 | Rigolo | loonyxp: short answer: pick what you feel best with .... |
| 09:55.56 | Zorkman | when i opkg installed them it says they are up to date |
| 09:56.16 | loonyxp | Rigolo: so, none of the distribution is "dead"? |
| 09:56.24 | bumbl | Zorkman: yes what else should opkg tell you |
| 09:56.32 | *** join/#openmoko jeffrin (n=jeffrin@202.83.43.71) |
| 09:56.33 | Zorkman | loonyxp: you can use GTK applications on the every stack: asu, 20072 and fso |
| 09:56.35 | Rigolo | loonyxp: not as far as I can tell .... |
| 09:56.38 | bumbl | it does not find any newer packages |
| 09:56.57 | loonyxp | Rigolo: does this apply to the QT stuff too? |
| 09:57.00 | bumbl | but that task-.... requires newer ones |
| 09:57.23 | Rigolo | QT works on ASU at the moment ... I think not on fso and 2007.2 |
| 09:57.40 | loonyxp | Rigolo: will it work on FSO in the future? |
| 09:57.55 | Rigolo | loonyxp: no idea ... |
| 09:58.06 | loonyxp | Rigolo: ok... thanks... |
| 09:58.07 | bumbl | loonyxp: qt works on each of the distributions, you simply have to install it |
| 09:58.15 | leinirAWAY | QuickTime works on ASU? Interesting... ;) |
| 09:58.25 | loonyxp | bumbi: cool thanks... |
| 09:58.28 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 09:58.53 | Rigolo | loonyxp: like I said ... if you feel at home with Qt .. build QT apps ... if you like GTK than use that ... |
| 09:58.55 | kd8ikt | whenever i need a sound check i call em 611 (my isp's customer care number) and chat with the lady for a min |
| 09:58.58 | bumbl | fso implements a dbus interface for messaging,... it is a kind of framework which might be implemented in coming openmoko distributions |
| 09:59.02 | kd8ikt | em=up |
| 09:59.05 | *** join/#openmoko Fossi (n=fossi@d193131.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 09:59.12 | bumbl | 2007.2 is dead but stable |
| 09:59.40 | kd8ikt | well not totally dead you can still F with it/update it |
| 09:59.56 | loonyxp | Rigolo: well, as bumbi says, it is not only the framework, also the underlaying infrastructure... dbus makes things really easy |
| 10:00.32 | kd8ikt | singularity |
| 10:01.18 | loonyxp | bumbi: as michael lauer said in his block... they want that it gets more love (2007.2) but nobody of them really cares about it at the moment... so, because it is stable it is the factory default for the freerunner? |
| 10:01.37 | loonyxp | *blog |
| 10:02.28 | loonyxp | anyway... I think I'll take a look at asu... seems promising... |
| 10:02.31 | bumbl | kd8ikt: the image itself does not get any new features, the update of the apps/kernel does not change much, but at least it does not break every two minutes like asu |
| 10:03.38 | bumbl | loonyxp: afaik 2007.2 is deprecated because openmoko focuses on asu and fso and the community focuses on fso and shr |
| 10:03.59 | Wonka | i gather one could poll almanach and ephemeris data from the GPS chip easily and put it back in after a cold start as easily |
| 10:04.07 | *** join/#openmoko Guilt (n=ca037009@cpe-74-67-34-29.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 10:04.14 | loonyxp | bumbl: that would mean, that fso is the best choice (community+openmoko) ...? |
| 10:04.19 | Guilt | hey guys |
| 10:04.24 | opendeep | any python developers on moko here? I have installed python SD and linked with root fs, but still it's not taking python. |
| 10:04.31 | Guilt | i'm trying to set up gpsd. this is what i get when i cat /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 10:04.47 | Guilt | $GPGGA,,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*48 |
| 10:05.05 | Guilt | $GPGSV,1,1,00*79 |
| 10:05.08 | Wonka | Guilt: looks like NMEA to me |
| 10:05.12 | Guilt | what does it mean. is it good or bad? |
| 10:05.17 | Guilt | Wonka: how do i fix this? |
| 10:05.29 | Guilt | do i need a solder? |
| 10:05.44 | Wonka | Guilt: NMEA is a gps data protocol |
| 10:05.47 | Zorkman | its gps |
| 10:06.09 | Guilt | okay. it means it's working? |
| 10:06.13 | Wonka | Guilt: have you tried using openmoko-agpsui to verify you get a fix? |
| 10:06.15 | Guilt | it's many commas. |
| 10:06.25 | Zorkman | it means gps antenna is receiving data, but not enough for a fix |
| 10:06.40 | Wonka | Guilt: at least, it outputs GPS stuff. if it will get a position fix i cannot read from those two lines... |
| 10:07.04 | Wonka | does not talk NMEA :) |
| 10:07.07 | Guilt | Wonka: so i have no idea. the antenna is okay, not critical? |
| 10:07.22 | Guilt | and do i need the SD card/kernel patch? |
| 10:07.25 | Wonka | Guilt: don't know. try agpsui and go outside. |
| 10:07.36 | Guilt | alright. i'm trying to put agpsui |
| 10:07.42 | Guilt | sec. |
| 10:08.01 | *** join/#openmoko a__thing (n=notroot@c-98-193-50-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 10:08.22 | Guilt | opkg install openmoko-agpsui <- i hope |
| 10:08.36 | Tanuva | thats it |
| 10:08.55 | Tanuva | recent zhone versions have somthing like that, too |
| 10:08.56 | Guilt | okay. gpsd is up |
| 10:08.58 | Guilt | trying to walk |
| 10:09.15 | Guilt | it asks me to Press START |
| 10:09.17 | Guilt | where is it |
| 10:10.00 | Wonka | down left on the screen |
| 10:10.05 | Wonka | "power on" |
| 10:12.11 | DPThough1 | NMEA is a communications protocol primarily for integrating marine navigation system. Nothing specific to GSP. ;) |
| 10:12.31 | DPThough1 | s/GSP/GPS/ |
| 10:13.14 | Tanuva | does gpsd need a fix to start or doesnt it? |
| 10:15.08 | *** part/#openmoko loonyxp (n=loonyxp@Ld7a5.l.pppool.de) |
| 10:15.48 | Zorkman | bumbl: you upgraded and restarted? |
| 10:16.48 | bumbl | Zorkman: no |
| 10:17.02 | bumbl | because I got the same problems like yesterday |
| 10:17.17 | bumbl | I don't see the point in running into the same problems again |
| 10:19.59 | *** join/#openmoko Kamping_Kaiser (n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/pdpc.active.kgoetz) |
| 10:20.40 | *** join/#openmoko balrog-kun (n=balrog@ckg223.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 10:22.22 | *** join/#openmoko atul_ (n=Atul@61.16.248.242) |
| 10:24.22 | Guilt | okay. |
| 10:24.25 | Guilt | i went around and came. |
| 10:24.36 | Guilt | i got this: Fixes 0 good, 335 fail, 335 total |
| 10:24.42 | Guilt | and it doesnt display Latitude/Longitude |
| 10:24.55 | Guilt | in log i'm getting more values. |
| 10:25.00 | Guilt | but many 99s |
| 10:25.19 | Guilt | is anybody getting their lat/long yet? |
| 10:27.03 | Guilt | even where there are 3-4 sats displayed in SS it doesnt work |
| 10:27.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | THE PHONES ARE HERE! |
| 10:27.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | \o/ |
| 10:28.07 | *** join/#openmoko Zoup (n=Zoup@78.110.121.1) |
| 10:28.09 | Tig| | where? |
| 10:28.12 | Guilt | 'f you haven't managed to get a FFIX your either doing something' |
| 10:28.20 | Tig| | looks at phone on desk :) |
| 10:28.34 | Guilt | 'wrong or your one of those unlucky guys (gals) with a bad solder or something else that probably requires shipping the phone back to your supplier/openmoko.' |
| 10:28.36 | Guilt | motherfucker |
| 10:28.40 | Guilt | damn it. |
| 10:29.47 | *** join/#openmoko rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@gtsgw.ttc.cz) |
| 10:30.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tig|, south australia |
| 10:30.19 | Zorkman | Guilt: you tried it outside? |
| 10:30.30 | Zorkman | what was the power of the sattelites? |
| 10:30.42 | Rigolo | Guilt: and tried LONG ...it might take up to 20 mins I heard |
| 10:30.49 | Zorkman | to get a fix i think you need 127dbm |
| 10:31.09 | Guilt | around 40 dbM |
| 10:31.21 | Guilt | now it shows 30 |
| 10:31.26 | Guilt | db.HZ, i meant |
| 10:31.26 | Zorkman | there are two values in there, |
| 10:31.28 | Tig| | Kamping_Kaiser: cool! is it a group buy or are you reselling? |
| 10:31.38 | Zorkman | you can switch with a button on the bottomleft |
| 10:31.41 | Guilt | Zorkman, i'm in SS |
| 10:31.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tig|, group buy. Aus did a big 'all in', then they got sent to states individually |
| 10:31.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | is trying to upload photos |
| 10:32.11 | Tig| | heh cool :) |
| 10:32.11 | Zorkman | Guilt: click on the button that says "dBm" |
| 10:32.28 | Guilt | dbM: 151 to 141 dbM |
| 10:32.29 | Guilt | yeah |
| 10:32.31 | *** join/#openmoko swc|666 (n=swc|666@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 10:32.36 | Zorkman | and you are inside?? |
| 10:32.46 | Guilt | right now. |
| 10:32.48 | Guilt | yes |
| 10:33.08 | Zorkman | close to a window i presume? |
| 10:33.12 | Rigolo | large windows .... thin roof :-) |
| 10:33.12 | Guilt | yes |
| 10:33.31 | Guilt | Az shows 1 satellite on north pole |
| 10:33.50 | Rigolo | Guilt: are you santa claus :-) |
| 10:33.54 | Zorkman | it's north ple because he doesn't have a fix, doesn't mean they are northpole |
| 10:34.13 | Guilt | Zorkman: yeah. how do i get a ffix? |
| 10:34.29 | Zorkman | go outside or put your freerunner against the window or outside for a few minutes |
| 10:34.38 | Zorkman | in a clear sky outside i get a fix in about 30-40s |
| 10:34.41 | Guilt | 4 sats shown |
| 10:34.57 | Zorkman | inside it takes a lot longer because of bad reception, |
| 10:35.09 | Zorkman | but once I have a fix, it stays fixed |
| 10:35.31 | Guilt | oh |
| 10:35.37 | Guilt | why wont it get a ffix? |
| 10:35.43 | Guilt | does it need more power? |
| 10:35.48 | Guilt | you know, the SD card/problem? |
| 10:36.57 | Zorkman | Guilt: hwo up to date is your freerunner? |
| 10:37.18 | Guilt | 2007.2, got the latest packages for gpsd/gpsd-conf |
| 10:37.23 | Guilt | Zorkman, kernel wise? |
| 10:37.47 | Zorkman | yeah |
| 10:38.04 | Zorkman | try flashing a recent kernel |
| 10:38.41 | Guilt | the version i'm running is: |
| 10:39.25 | Guilt | Jul 22 uImage |
| 10:39.43 | Guilt | performing opkg upgrade now |
| 10:39.57 | Zorkman | do a cat /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive (on your freerunner) |
| 10:40.17 | Guilt | 0 |
| 10:40.37 | Zorkman | i think that kernel immage has most or all of the fixes |
| 10:40.48 | Zorkman | really, just go outside for a few minutes |
| 10:40.50 | Guilt | the one i use? |
| 10:40.52 | Zorkman | you probably will get a fix |
| 10:40.55 | Zorkman | yeah |
| 10:41.17 | Guilt | cant go out much. my phone is near the window |
| 10:41.17 | Zorkman | to be 100% sure you could flash to the 0728 kernel, but i don't think it will make a difference |
| 10:41.27 | Guilt | around 4-5 SVs are in 140 |
| 10:41.46 | Guilt | 6 above -145dbm |
| 10:41.53 | Zorkman | is it facing upwards? (eg the hole in the neo on the buttom) |
| 10:42.50 | Guilt | yea |
| 10:43.38 | Guilt | u mean on the side, near the power/USB |
| 10:44.07 | Zoup | wasnt last community update a little unfriendly ? |
| 10:44.11 | bumbl | Zorkman: never got a fix in 30-40s for me the first fix takes always longer than 3-5min |
| 10:44.18 | Zorkman | i mean just like when you would hold the phone in front of you and look at the screen |
| 10:44.33 | Zorkman | bumbl: you tried outside in good conditions? |
| 10:45.28 | Guilt | rebooting freerunner |
| 10:45.42 | *** join/#openmoko wibbit (n=douglasf@SAGW-PRIMARY.ARC.COM) |
| 10:46.53 | Guilt | does opkg upgrade screw up the paritions? |
| 10:47.26 | Bill_ | nope |
| 10:47.29 | *** join/#openmoko rddDavid51 (n=roudoudo@gar31-1-82-224-8-235.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 10:49.58 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r9be30cb2dfc0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Xglamo to get Xinerama fix needed for Qtopia |
| 10:49.59 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6e510c65a26b 10/packages/python/python-efl.inc: python-efl.inc: remove bashisms to make the Ubuntu crew happy |
| 10:50.00 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rbddd79cac3e1 10/packages/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [bashism] Move away from pushd/popd as it is only available for bash |
| 10:50.00 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1bd26d7669ff 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade opkg to get fixes for memory management |
| 10:50.49 | bumbl | Zorkman: yes |
| 10:51.36 | Weiss | whereabouts in the SVN repository (if anywhere?) should i be looking if i wanted to hack about with, say, the EFL or Qt stuff? at the moment i can only see remnants of GTK stuff |
| 10:54.11 | Bubbi | Is it possible to see what have been changed, before the opkg upgrade is being run on the neo..? |
| 10:54.28 | Bubbi | some kind of changelog |
| 10:54.43 | Bubbi | preferably readable by humans also.. :) |
| 10:54.51 | *** join/#openmoko Rakshasa (n=rakshasa@a88-115-107-23.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 10:55.00 | *** join/#openmoko KSoze (n=Miles@67.107.206.170.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 10:55.58 | *** join/#openmoko marcinsoo (n=soo2@abun110.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 10:56.45 | bumbl | weià git.openmoko.asu.devel |
| 10:57.03 | bumbl | Bubbi: opkg -test upgrade |
| 10:57.12 | bumbl | not realy humanreadable |
| 10:57.26 | Guilt | Zorkman: opkg upgrade makes my system unbootabke |
| 10:57.27 | Guilt | grrrrrr |
| 10:58.28 | Zorkman | Guilt that was what we were talking about a while ago |
| 10:58.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | i see theres a little card with a quote (?) by LaoTse. is that the same quote in all the phones? |
| 10:58.50 | Zorkman | ASAIK it is |
| 10:59.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks. |
| 10:59.25 | ecraven | in 2007.2, where does the animation in the titlebar when starting an application come from? |
| 10:59.25 | Bubbi | hmm.. yeah okay, It's just that I never really liked to just upgrade and not know what is going to be changed.. As Guilt says, it could render the device unable to boot.. |
| 11:00.16 | Zorkman | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1680 mentiones a 20080729-asu.stable-rootfs.jffs2 |
| 11:00.20 | Zorkman | where can i get that? |
| 11:00.33 | Zorkman | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/ only goes to 0728 |
| 11:02.30 | *** join/#openmoko ruoso (n=ruoso@201.45.49.162) |
| 11:03.08 | Bubbi | Zorkman: They may have removed the 0729 folder.. It's not every day that the build goes through.. |
| 11:04.13 | Bubbi | there's no 0726 folder either |
| 11:06.28 | Zorkman | true, but i have never seen an image with "asu.stable" in the name :) |
| 11:07.13 | *** join/#openmoko t_s_o (n=tso@227.84-49-129.nextgentel.com) |
| 11:07.56 | Bubbi | ah, heh but as there's mentioned in the ticket, it's not stable :P |
| 11:09.13 | Zorkman | :) if it's only not being able to scroll in exposure.... i haven't even been able to launch exposure :) |
| 11:09.24 | Bubbi | haha |
| 11:10.02 | Bubbi | Is ASU better than the 2007.02 image? I've just got the neo this friday and i've not yet tried anything else, but it seems that most people are interested in the ASU ..? |
| 11:10.35 | Zorkman | everyone answers to this question with "it's flavour" |
| 11:10.56 | beni_ | is it possible yet to sync calendar data with iCal files? |
| 11:11.00 | *** join/#openmoko patrykszymczak (n=patryk@gkk251.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 11:11.14 | Zorkman | btw Bubbi: if you dualboot you can have them both ;) |
| 11:11.55 | Bubbi | :) I'm very interested in knowing how to dualboot then.. :D |
| 11:12.19 | Zorkman | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD says it all |
| 11:12.22 | Bubbi | I'm not an experienced Linux user as I get the feeling that most users here are.. So I'm quite lost for most part |
| 11:12.35 | Bubbi | Ah, thank you :P I'll take a look at that guide then.. |
| 11:12.46 | Zorkman | Bubbi: I never really used lenux before my freerunner arrived, don't worry ;) |
| 11:12.47 | Dave | Guten morning, everyone! |
| 11:12.52 | Zorkman | llo Dave |
| 11:13.10 | Dave | Hallo Zorkman :] |
| 11:13.16 | Zorkman | btw Bubbi: i would recommend you to flash your uboot first, that way you will not havento change the uboot paramters |
| 11:13.19 | Bubbi | :P good to know that i'm not the only one.. |
| 11:13.33 | Dave | Would anyone care to send me the kernel-headers? :P |
| 11:13.43 | Zorkman | if you tell me how, i'll do it :p |
| 11:13.59 | Dave | hehe |
| 11:14.17 | Bubbi | Zorkman: i've already flashed it, but that was a few days ago.. And just seen that there's already another one out there.. |
| 11:14.32 | Zorkman | no if your uboot is only a few days old it will be allright |
| 11:14.37 | Bubbi | okay.. |
| 11:16.10 | *** join/#openmoko apol (i=apol@62.57.51.21.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 11:16.10 | Bubbi | Zorkman: Well.. i'm at work right now, so it will have to wait for tonight for me to play with dualbooting.. although I really would like to try it right now.. :D |
| 11:16.31 | Bubbi | but thanks for the link.. I'll try it when I get home.. |
| 11:17.17 | Zorkman | np, if you follow the wiki, it should work great |
| 11:17.35 | Dave | ecraven! |
| 11:17.42 | Dave | I choose you! |
| 11:17.42 | Bubbi | cool :) |
| 11:17.55 | Bubbi | Orh maaaan.. I never get chosen.. |
| 11:18.02 | ecraven | Dave: ;) |
| 11:18.04 | Bubbi | :D |
| 11:18.09 | Dave | :D |
| 11:18.22 | Dave | So Ecraven, could you send me the kernel headers please? :P |
| 11:19.01 | Dave | or who was the guy fighting with me about that, last time... :x |
| 11:19.04 | ecraven | what kernel headers? |
| 11:19.12 | Dave | for the openmoko arm kernel |
| 11:19.51 | Bubbi | anybody know why the neo (2007.02 image) continue to resume from the suspend, when set to "dim first, then lock", every few minutes.. Is it the GSM modem that sends out "pings" to the antennas..? |
| 11:20.04 | *** join/#openmoko russellb (n=russell@asterisk/developer-and-stable-maintainer/drumkilla) |
| 11:20.19 | Dave | Bubbi, because it doesn't quite work properly yet :) |
| 11:20.25 | *** join/#openmoko |FiLiP| (n=Filip@d5152E303.access.telenet.be) |
| 11:21.28 | Bubbi | I guessed that.. :P the entire freerunner doesn't work properly yet.. :D but it was more a "do we actually know why it happens" question.. :P |
| 11:22.02 | Zorkman | Bubbi: accelerometers or gsm, not sure though |
| 11:22.18 | Zorkman | when it has just susspended, try to shake it and see what happens :) |
| 11:22.33 | Dave | :P |
| 11:22.35 | Zorkman | but i also had it with a phone that was not being moved |
| 11:22.37 | Dave | Mine never wakes up :) |
| 11:22.38 | Bubbi | accelerometers it can't really be.. I can shake it all I want, and it doesn't resume.. so it have to be something else.. |
| 11:22.42 | Bubbi | haha |
| 11:22.48 | Dave | I'm not sure whether that's a good thing or bad thing in this case :D |
| 11:23.02 | Zorkman | suspend seems to work much better in the asu |
| 11:23.04 | Bubbi | :P |
| 11:23.10 | Zorkman | but havent done any battery testing |
| 11:23.18 | Dave | yeah, but nothing else does :P |
| 11:23.18 | Bubbi | Another good reason to use ASU.. :) |
| 11:23.22 | Bubbi | :D |
| 11:23.43 | Dave | I think diversity and assassin are now both at 0.0.1 |
| 11:23.48 | Dave | for whatever that's worth... *rolls eyes* |
| 11:23.53 | Bubbi | If anybody needs a tester of some thought, I'd be happy to help out.. |
| 11:24.04 | *** join/#openmoko Sonicadvance (n=Sonic@69.92.97.122) |
| 11:24.22 | Dave | We could always use more complainers... ;) |
| 11:24.27 | Bubbi | I'm not really a developer (web-development doesn't help that much on the neo), but i'm quite good at finding bugs.. :P |
| 11:24.41 | Dave | is good at breaking things :D |
| 11:24.50 | Dave | hides from Chox |
| 11:24.56 | Bubbi | but for now, that doesn't seem to be a problem, as there's lots of bugs.. |
| 11:24.59 | Bubbi | haha.. |
| 11:24.59 | Zorkman | is quite good at eating, so that's what he's going to do |
| 11:25.06 | Dave | :p |
| 11:25.15 | Bubbi | Remember to clean up afterwards.. ;) |
| 11:25.16 | Dave | hungry hungry zorkmen |
| 11:25.41 | Dave | beats the kernel headers out of ecraven |
| 11:26.16 | Guilt | Zorkman: i'll go flash this at home |
| 11:26.22 | Guilt | doing it in office takes an eternity |
| 11:26.39 | Guilt | the worst part is the phone is unusable |
| 11:26.46 | ecraven | Dave: i never installed or needed any kernel headers |
| 11:26.52 | Dave | :[ |
| 11:26.53 | ecraven | but you should get them at www.kernel.org |
| 11:27.03 | Dave | I looked the other day! |
| 11:27.25 | Dave | and didn't finded them :( |
| 11:28.04 | Dave | Will you help me find my kernel headers, mommy? :) |
| 11:28.14 | Guilt | does opkg do something really BAD? |
| 11:28.16 | Dave | :P |
| 11:28.28 | *** part/#openmoko aggtrfrad (n=aggtrfra@CPE001346891e81-CM0018c0d9db72.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 11:28.47 | Dave | guilt, yes, it's quite the naughty piece of software... |
| 11:29.06 | Dave | but I don't believe it will murder your wife ;) |
| 11:29.30 | *** join/#openmoko vaiursch (n=erwin@84-75-28-58.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 11:29.43 | ecraven | Dave: what exactly do you need, and what for? |
| 11:30.55 | *** join/#openmoko opendeep (n=pradeep@61.16.248.242) |
| 11:30.57 | Dave | oy -_- |
| 11:31.20 | Dave | I'm trying to build some modules for the linux kernel, since the phone does not apparently provide support for them automatically |
| 11:31.41 | Dave | this is what sparked that heated debate the last time I was here, because I didn't want to simply cross-compile them using the toolchain :P |
| 11:31.45 | Dave | blargh |
| 11:32.00 | *** join/#openmoko mmaestri (i=a8e2286f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1d8497d9a25aad46) |
| 11:32.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | light pen! |
| 11:32.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | flicks it on and off |
| 11:32.38 | *** join/#openmoko rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@gtsgw.ttc.cz) |
| 11:33.01 | Dave | Laser-guided shower radios |
| 11:33.51 | ecraven | hehe, do uname -a on the phone, then go to www.kernel.org, and get the appropriate tar.bz2, then take the include directory from there |
| 11:33.55 | *** join/#openmoko patrykszymczak (n=patryk@gkk251.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 11:35.01 | Tig| | Kamping_Kaiser: I burnt the laser out on mine :( |
| 11:35.10 | Dave | -_- |
| 11:35.13 | Dave | haw |
| 11:35.28 | Tig| | it does make an ace kitty toy though :) |
| 11:36.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tig|, :( is it easy to do? |
| 11:36.09 | Dave | bah |
| 11:36.44 | Tig| | Kamping_Kaiser: well I was using it a lot to tease the cat with for a few days :) |
| 11:36.58 | Tig| | I think it was because i was holding it on lots |
| 11:37.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tig|, can it be fixed/replaced? i want to use mine :/ |
| 11:37.53 | Tig| | Kamping_Kaiser: we are talking about the laser pointer on the pen yes? |
| 11:38.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes |
| 11:38.57 | *** join/#openmoko zogs (n=zogs@82.84.181.62) |
| 11:38.58 | Tig| | welll they are only a couple of quid new |
| 11:39.10 | zogs | hi |
| 11:39.12 | Dave | heil |
| 11:39.43 | *** join/#openmoko Fradeve (n=fradeve@87.18.199.121) |
| 11:39.58 | *** join/#openmoko swc|666 (n=swc|666@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 11:40.03 | zogs | which version of ASU image is stable? |
| 11:40.11 | Dave | hahaha |
| 11:40.18 | Dave | dies of laughter. |
| 11:41.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | decide its going to take him a while to ge tused to the UI |
| 11:43.35 | Zorkman | zogs: none is fully stable |
| 11:43.55 | Dave | Come back next year :) |
| 11:44.05 | zogs | which version is better? |
| 11:44.09 | Zorkman | zogs: flash the latest kernel and flash the latest rootfs (0722)- and wait a while for opkg update becauze right now if brakes the asu |
| 11:44.36 | zogs | ok , thanks Zorkman |
| 11:44.37 | Dave | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images |
| 11:44.41 | Dave | Make your own decision :) |
| 11:45.09 | Zorkman | although as you keen see @ http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1680 there is a root file system:20080729-asu.stable-rootfs.jffs2 (STABLE!! :P) |
| 11:46.26 | zogs | I have some problem to install virtual keyboard with last image |
| 11:47.01 | *** join/#openmoko mmaestri (i=a8e2286f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1c0cac3d7b416f3b) |
| 11:47.21 | *** join/#openmoko xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-e7d5ddeff0d65748) |
| 11:47.47 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.05 | opendeep | I installed python-core , while running application got import errors (subprocess module). so do I need to install modules separately? |
| 11:48.44 | kd8ikt | what was it importing? |
| 11:50.29 | Dave | ecraven, why is this so complicated? |
| 11:50.37 | Dave | Furthermore, why does kernel.org's site blow so much. |
| 11:51.48 | opendeep | kd8ikt:No module named subprocess, |
| 11:51.52 | *** join/#openmoko yoyo_ (n=yoyo@nat.zegrze.maverick.com.pl) |
| 11:51.57 | yoyo_ | hi |
| 11:51.58 | Dave | I don't want a motherfucking patch, I want the goddamned kernel source! |
| 11:51.59 | Dave | grr |
| 11:53.01 | *** join/#openmoko TeNoVi (n=runegang@157.82-134-47.bkkb.no) |
| 11:53.04 | *** join/#openmoko edistar_ (n=edistar@ip503ddd09.speed.planet.nl) |
| 11:53.06 | Dave | >:( |
| 11:53.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | i love the lock screen thing <3 |
| 11:54.07 | *** join/#openmoko fragged (n=fragged@202.61.229.35.dynamic.rev.eftel.com) |
| 11:54.15 | Dave | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, it's pretty annoying. |
| 11:54.19 | Dave | and terrible. |
| 11:54.58 | fragged | Hey guys, If I have a list of files, with the format FILENAME<TAB>FILESIZE<TAB>MODIFIED how would I organize them with bash from largest to smallest? I know it can be done I just dont know which tool to look at manuals for |
| 11:55.16 | fragged | Ooops heh waaay wrong room |
| 11:55.25 | Dave | throws bitbake out the window |
| 11:55.46 | Zorkman | how do i check if I use xglamo of xfbdev? |
| 11:55.47 | Dave | use perl :P |
| 11:55.55 | Dave | zorkman, or? |
| 11:56.01 | Zorkman | yes or |
| 11:56.21 | *** join/#openmoko polz (n=polz@lbcsi.fri.uni-lj.si) |
| 11:56.43 | Zorkman | ps -eo pcpu,pid,user,args |grep glamo? |
| 11:56.59 | torpor | hey |
| 11:57.06 | ecraven | Dave: use your local mirror of kernel.org ;) |
| 11:57.15 | torpor | can someone do a a "opkg list_installed" on their OM2007.2 machine and send it to me? |
| 11:57.37 | Zorkman | https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1244#comment:23 says the wrong offset only happens when you use xglamo and nog xfbdev |
| 11:57.43 | ecraven | anyone here familiar with matchbox-desktop? why does it not show buttons that i have defined in theme.xml? all other apps show them |
| 11:58.05 | ecraven | i though xfbdev didn't support rotation? |
| 11:58.10 | Zorkman | but when i do a ps -eo pcpu,pid,user,args i get fbdev entries and glamo entries :s |
| 11:58.23 | Dave | ecraven :( |
| 11:58.35 | Dave | I was, presumably, at mirrors.kernel.org |
| 11:58.35 | Zorkman | hwo can i check if "check if /usr/bin/Xglamo is running" is running? |
| 11:58.37 | *** join/#openmoko Selveste1 (n=Selveste@85.235.243.199) |
| 11:58.46 | ecraven | ps ax | grep Xglamo |
| 11:58.49 | Dave | it had pretty much every distribution of linux, except the fucking kernel, or arm :D |
| 11:58.56 | ecraven | if it has any output, xglamo is running |
| 11:59.08 | ecraven | otherwise try "ps ax | grep Xfbdev" |
| 11:59.18 | ecraven | that should produce some output, if Xfbdev is running |
| 11:59.45 | *** part/#openmoko charlie137 (n=charlie@firewall.tw.openmoko.org) |
| 11:59.55 | Dave | root 1447 0.4 4.3 8920 5480 ? S< 07:41 0:04 /usr/bin/Xglamo :0 -pn -dpi 285 -screen 480x640 -hide-cursor -root-ppm /usr/share/pixmaps/xsplash-vga.ppm |
| 11:59.59 | Dave | :P |
| 12:00.06 | *** join/#openmoko playya_ (n=playya@p57B2ABDE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:00.19 | Zorkman | ecraven: i get both resulst for grep Xglamo of for grep fbdev: http://pastebin.org/58157 |
| 12:00.22 | Dave | blamo |
| 12:01.19 | ecraven | Zorkman: yes, that's ok. ps ax shows you all running processes, grep tries to filter. the only running program that has Xglamo is grep (which is what you started to filter the list). so Xglamo is not running |
| 12:01.33 | ecraven | otoh for fbdev the second line shows that Xfbdev is up and running |
| 12:01.39 | ecraven | so for you, randr should work ;) |
| 12:01.49 | Zorkman | damn :( that measn thomas g is not right ..... |
| 12:02.15 | ecraven | oh, you still have the rotate bug? |
| 12:02.29 | Zorkman | I have it...*partially* |
| 12:02.40 | ecraven | i'm trying to find Xfbdev for debian atm |
| 12:02.53 | Dave | ecraven - thanks |
| 12:03.00 | ecraven | Dave: for what? |
| 12:03.05 | opendeep | How to search packages to install into device? |
| 12:03.05 | Zorkman | it works but stops working when i click on a corner and then click somewhere distant from that corner |
| 12:03.17 | Zorkman | (it's described in the bug) |
| 12:03.27 | Dave | I'm guessing it's: linux-2.6.24.1.tar.gz ;) |
| 12:03.35 | Dave | or 2.6.24 |
| 12:04.16 | Dave | So ecraven, how's that debian install doing? :P |
| 12:04.33 | ecraven | very fine, working nicely, playing around with matchbox and trying to get a good theme |
| 12:05.22 | Dave | :D |
| 12:05.31 | Dave | Does it function for the most part, then? |
| 12:05.38 | ecraven | yes |
| 12:05.44 | Dave | I heard others complaining it was unusable due to X, Y, and Z. |
| 12:05.47 | ecraven | i didn't try gsm so far, but gps works |
| 12:05.54 | ecraven | what are X, Y and Z? |
| 12:06.08 | Dave | Some unspecified issues. |
| 12:06.16 | ecraven | ;) specify! |
| 12:06.21 | Dave | ecraven, did you test against tango? |
| 12:06.35 | Dave | Ecraven I'm using them as placeholders, since I don't KNOW what the issues are/were. |
| 12:06.40 | Dave | I just remember hearing big complaints. |
| 12:06.42 | Dave | :[ |
| 12:06.42 | ecraven | yes, tangogps works |
| 12:06.48 | Dave | well, yes, it should |
| 12:06.53 | Dave | It's built for debian :P |
| 12:07.43 | *** join/#openmoko cnwdup (n=harlekin@hnvr-4dbd67b2.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 12:07.48 | Dave | germans -_- |
| 12:08.11 | ecraven | yay! under Xfbdev landscape mode seems to work perfectly! |
| 12:09.49 | Dave | :O |
| 12:09.58 | Dave | so it IS an Xglamo bug, then? :P |
| 12:10.07 | Dave | or that would likely explain it, anyway. :) |
| 12:10.32 | ecraven | yes |
| 12:10.51 | *** join/#openmoko jancona (n=jancona@pool-70-22-175-73.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 12:11.10 | Zorkman | ecraven: there seems to be a bug with xfbdev also |
| 12:11.21 | ecraven | in what way? |
| 12:11.29 | Zorkman | I posted it on the bug: |
| 12:11.37 | *** join/#openmoko matholio (n=matttt@124-170-27-247.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 12:12.05 | Zorkman | if you click on a corner, and afterwards you click at a point some distance away from that corner, you get an offset equally to the distance you clicked away from it |
| 12:12.11 | Zorkman | (with acertain maximum) |
| 12:12.23 | Dave | :o |
| 12:12.25 | ecraven | doesn't happen to me, i think |
| 12:12.32 | Dave | ecraven is hax. |
| 12:12.36 | ecraven | i click in the left lower corner, then the center of the screen |
| 12:12.44 | ecraven | nothing special happens ;) the cursor is still ok afterwards |
| 12:12.58 | Dave | What is supposed to happen, Zorkman? |
| 12:12.59 | ecraven | but Xfbdev is slooooow |
| 12:13.33 | Dave | is it? :P |
| 12:13.44 | Dave | slower than the usual shitty slowness of openmoko? :P |
| 12:13.47 | ecraven | yes, i can watch urxvt as it renders its window |
| 12:13.49 | ecraven | much slower |
| 12:13.53 | Zorkman | ecraven: do you really lick on the corner? I mean, as far away from the middle as possible |
| 12:13.55 | *** join/#openmoko pazante (n=patrik@user113.77-105-224.netatonce.net) |
| 12:14.00 | ecraven | yes |
| 12:14.01 | *** join/#openmoko rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@gtsgw.ttc.cz) |
| 12:14.07 | Zorkman | lol :) lick=click |
| 12:14.30 | Zorkman | maybe it's a bug in scummvm |
| 12:14.43 | Zorkman | how do i manually rotate the display.? xrand -o 1? |
| 12:14.44 | Dave | haha, that's much more likely :P |
| 12:14.48 | Dave | lick the corner? :o |
| 12:14.50 | Dave | oooh, kinky |
| 12:14.53 | Zorkman | do i need to add a display? |
| 12:15.05 | *** join/#openmoko zedstar_ (n=john@82-44-200-69.cable.ubr08.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 12:15.27 | Zorkman | xrandr -o 1 |
| 12:15.27 | Zorkman | Can't open display |
| 12:15.34 | ecraven | export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 12:15.34 | Zorkman | DISPPLAY=0 or something? |
| 12:15.43 | *** join/#openmoko loonyxp (n=loonyxp@Ld7a5.l.pppool.de) |
| 12:16.05 | Dave | hha |
| 12:16.09 | ecraven | whoa! beneath a steel sky works ;) now i need to find out how to toggle fullscreen without a keyboard, then i'm set! |
| 12:16.22 | Dave | :D |
| 12:16.27 | Dave | ecraven no luck with AUX? |
| 12:16.32 | Zorkman | and then you need to tell us :p |
| 12:16.51 | Dave | sekret haxes :o |
| 12:16.53 | ecraven | i still need to write a small daemon that allows me to run an application on input events |
| 12:17.02 | Dave | yeah, that WOULD be ideal :) |
| 12:17.04 | loonyxp | hello, I just flashed my freerunner with the FSO image. that worked well. then i did an "opkg update && opkg upgrade" and after a restart the software freezes while booting. do i need to reflash it? how can i find out what causes the freeze? |
| 12:17.22 | Zorkman | it's been posted what causes the freeze loonyxp |
| 12:17.34 | loonyxp | Zorkman: devel list? |
| 12:17.57 | loonyxp | Zorkman: i mean, where? :) |
| 12:18.22 | Zorkman | i'll search |
| 12:18.33 | loonyxp | thx |
| 12:18.37 | yoyo_ | if someon is interesting in customazing today screen http://www.d3p.pl/2006_green/index.php?dir=40&lang=pl gui for it :) (om-gta01) |
| 12:18.39 | *** join/#openmoko rob_w (n=bob@Ma16a.m.pppool.de) |
| 12:18.44 | Dave | ecraven, so I just have to copy the include directory of this kernel tarball to ... uhh, where again? :) /lib/modules/2.6.24/build/? :) |
| 12:18.53 | Zorkman | loonyxp: there was a bug report on it |
| 12:19.09 | ecraven | Dave: hm.. actually, not sure, i never install it by hand ;) |
| 12:19.12 | loonyxp | Zorkman: on freesmartphone.org? |
| 12:19.21 | loonyxp | *(trac) |
| 12:19.25 | Dave | :[ |
| 12:19.34 | Dave | but I have no other choice here, since it doesn't come with it :P |
| 12:19.42 | Dave | and there doesn't appear to be a package for it either :( |
| 12:19.53 | Dave | (I guess no one has needed to do this before) :x |
| 12:20.01 | Dave | (or no one is that crazy enough to do so) XD |
| 12:20.21 | Zorkman | loonyxp: no on the docs.openmoko.org/trac |
| 12:20.39 | loonyxp | Zorkman: ok |
| 12:20.49 | ecraven | hm.. no game ;( something's still wrong |
| 12:21.12 | Dave | S.O.S. please somebody help me... \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ |
| 12:22.49 | Zorkman | loonyxp: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1678 |
| 12:23.06 | loonyxp | Zorkman: thank you very much! |
| 12:25.31 | Dave | Uggh, Joerg, USB2 PLEASE! |
| 12:25.38 | Dave | these transfers are unbearable :P |
| 12:26.41 | jOERG_rw | Dave: I know :-/ But for dfu-util it's speed of nand, not speed of usb that's the limiting factor |
| 12:27.16 | jOERG_rw | at least hat's what i've been told |
| 12:27.45 | loonyxp | Zorkman: I'm not sure if this is the same issue since my freerunner does not get to starting the xserver, it freezes before |
| 12:27.52 | Dave | :( |
| 12:28.01 | zogs | goldenhawk: can you remember me link for ASU keyboard? |
| 12:28.07 | Zorkman | loonyxp: did you wait a while? |
| 12:28.07 | Dave | Joerg, I'm transferring the kernel sources over USB :P |
| 12:28.17 | jOERG_rw | :-D |
| 12:28.21 | Dave | It took several minutes :P |
| 12:28.29 | Dave | I'm just glad I didn't run out of space ;) |
| 12:28.36 | ecraven | hm.. scummvm without a keyboard seems not too good ;( |
| 12:28.39 | ecraven | can't skip the intro |
| 12:28.43 | Dave | ecraven, you noticed. |
| 12:28.43 | Zorkman | loonyxp: It happened to me with the ASU, it kept showing me the bootscreen, after a while it stoppend and showed me the last message was "starting x" or something familiar |
| 12:28.45 | jOERG_rw | what for do you need the kernelsources on FR??? WTF?! |
| 12:28.45 | Dave | :( |
| 12:28.53 | Dave | joerg, I think I am crazy! |
| 12:29.02 | Dave | I am going to compile kernel modules on the openmoko! :D |
| 12:29.09 | jOERG_rw | lol |
| 12:29.23 | loonyxp | Zorkman: aha, ok, then I'll wait a little and see whats happening... at the moment i can't ssh into it |
| 12:29.23 | Dave | :D |
| 12:29.34 | jOERG_rw | tell me what's your result on this cracy idea! :-) |
| 12:29.46 | Dave | Okay :) |
| 12:29.50 | Dave | Do you think I am insane? :P |
| 12:29.59 | Zorkman | DAve, jOERG_rw someone lese is also doing this (except when Benedikt Schindler = dave ) |
| 12:30.09 | *** join/#openmoko virac (n=virac@rrcs-97-76-5-207.se.biz.rr.com) |
| 12:30.10 | Dave | :o |
| 12:30.23 | Zorkman | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/024158.html |
| 12:30.33 | Dave | :O |
| 12:30.55 | Zorkman | or maybe i'm just a noob that doesn't see these are two entirely different things :) |
| 12:31.04 | Dave | maybe |
| 12:31.05 | Zorkman | ah, the possibilities :) |
| 12:32.22 | ecraven | yay! works ;) with matchbox-keyboard |
| 12:32.33 | *** join/#openmoko patrykszymczak (n=patryk@gkk251.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 12:32.34 | Dave | Yeah, they are |
| 12:32.37 | Dave | ecraven :O |
| 12:32.47 | Dave | readies his treasure sack |
| 12:33.21 | ecraven | if i can get scummvm to fullscreen, things don't seem so bleak any more |
| 12:34.03 | loonyxp | Zorkman: were you able to shut it down with the powerbutton when it "freezed"? |
| 12:34.56 | Zorkman | loonyxp: by pressing and holding it i think |
| 12:35.22 | loonyxp | Zorkman: ok, this ssems to be a different problem, since i cannot switch it of (only by taking out the battery) |
| 12:35.22 | Zorkman | ecraven: scummvm starts fullscreen here... did you use the ipk package posted in the wiki? |
| 12:36.15 | opendeep | how to search packages (like apt-cache search )?(opkg search is not resulting anything) |
| 12:36.28 | ecraven | Zorkman: no, debian ;) |
| 12:36.32 | zogs | opkg list |grep package |
| 12:36.53 | ecraven | hehe, just activated the fullscreen checkbox under Options |
| 12:36.59 | zogs | or opkg list > list.txt && cat list.txt |grep packages |
| 12:37.18 | ecraven | though i don't have a keyboard now, and no way to exit it ;-/ |
| 12:37.30 | opendeep | zogs: thank you |
| 12:37.31 | zogs | me to |
| 12:37.34 | zogs | :D |
| 12:39.54 | Zorkman | ecraven: you know a lot more about all this, how difficult would it be to have a pop-up keyboard with a few buttons? (or use accelerometers) |
| 12:40.06 | ecraven | not too hard, i believe |
| 12:40.18 | ecraven | not sure what happens if an application is fullscreen.. a second, i'll try |
| 12:40.39 | *** join/#openmoko The_Osterhase (n=unknown@6.233.80.212.static.versanetonline.de) |
| 12:40.42 | Zorkman | also it would be usefull if one could use the headphones with it, it might annoy people :) |
| 12:40.46 | ecraven | hm.. nothing ;( seems if it is fullscreen, we'd have to trick it somehow |
| 12:41.03 | ecraven | oh, the headphones should work, if you can get the mixer settings right (which isn't too easy, with about 100 controls) |
| 12:41.31 | Zorkman | just out of curiousity: do you get the wrong offset when pressing in a corner with scummvm? |
| 12:41.51 | ecraven | yes ;) |
| 12:41.58 | Dave | gah, the kernel tree is so confusing now |
| 12:41.59 | Zorkman | yeah, whenever i use alsamixer it seems like a i have enough speakers to give an open-air concert :) |
| 12:42.21 | *** join/#openmoko bumbl (n=bumbl@212-183-115-193.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 12:42.53 | ecraven | Zorkman: it seems to happen whenever i click outside scummvm's actual window |
| 12:42.58 | ecraven | there's a bit of a border at the top/bottom there |
| 12:43.04 | ecraven | if you click somewhere there, things go wrong |
| 12:43.34 | Zorkman | ecraven: i though in fullscreen it would nnot have a window... : |
| 12:43.52 | ecraven | it seems it does |
| 12:44.05 | ecraven | there's a bit of a black line at the top and at the bottom. about 15 pixels or so i think |
| 12:44.08 | Dave | tries to compile |
| 12:47.00 | Zorkman | DAve: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:47.11 | Zorkman | and will it counter global pollution? |
| 12:47.11 | Dave | Failure :( |
| 12:47.19 | Dave | shit |
| 12:47.29 | Zorkman | shit does produces an awfull lot of CO2... |
| 12:47.31 | Dave | this would be SO much easier if there were a freakin' kernel package |
| 12:47.34 | Dave | haha :P |
| 12:47.45 | Dave | man, this notebook is running etch |
| 12:47.55 | Zorkman | looks up etch |
| 12:47.59 | Dave | I wonder if I can just copy my linux kernel tree over :P |
| 12:48.07 | Dave | baits ecraven |
| 12:48.07 | ecraven | hm.. beneath-a-steel-sky doesn't work well ;( |
| 12:48.11 | ecraven | Dave: try it ;) |
| 12:48.14 | Dave | haha |
| 12:48.15 | ecraven | Zorkman: it's a debian version |
| 12:48.22 | Zorkman | yeah i found the info about i :) |
| 12:48.22 | Dave | could only result in what, some minor explosions? ;) |
| 12:48.35 | Dave | ecraven I run make config on the phone, but I get incomplete kernel tree errorss :( |
| 12:48.39 | Zorkman | ecraven: monkey island 2 does work |
| 12:48.45 | ecraven | Zorkman: monkey island 1 too ;) |
| 12:48.45 | Dave | Zorkman, oh hot! |
| 12:48.57 | Dave | You guys better let me in on this awesomeness later |
| 12:49.01 | Zorkman | havent tried MI3 because i don't have a big enough sd |
| 12:49.01 | ecraven | bass has problems with the mouse, in fullscreen mode |
| 12:49.02 | Dave | once I'm done fucking around with these drivers |
| 12:49.42 | ecraven | hehe, double-clicking with a stylus is .. strange |
| 12:50.04 | Dave | :D |
| 12:50.06 | Dave | hot |
| 12:50.13 | ecraven | ok, windowed works, there are issues with scummvm and fullscreen |
| 12:50.16 | ecraven | otherwise, it works fine |
| 12:50.32 | Dave | ecraven, that's disappointing :( |
| 12:50.39 | Dave | is it *too* small, to work with? :[ |
| 12:50.41 | Dave | or enjoy |
| 12:51.01 | mbuf | if you were to make an introductory presentation on Openmoko and FreeRunner, what topics would you cover? |
| 12:51.09 | mbuf | *or address? |
| 12:51.13 | Dave | bwahahahahahah ecraven |
| 12:52.06 | ecraven | no, big enough ;) |
| 12:52.10 | ecraven | a minute, i'll try a screenshot |
| 12:52.15 | Zorkman | mbuf: begin with the usual stuff? openness of hardware/software, hardware present? |
| 12:52.25 | *** join/#openmoko goro (n=kekaishi@125.161.224.94) |
| 12:52.38 | mbuf | Zorkman, ok |
| 12:52.42 | Dave | ecraven - cool :D |
| 12:52.43 | ecraven | don't talk too much about the software ;-p |
| 12:52.46 | Dave | I'd be glad to see :) |
| 12:52.48 | Dave | heehee |
| 12:52.54 | Dave | yeah or it might explode on you! :D |
| 12:53.08 | Dave | oh, ecraven, have you tried running aptitude on the phone yet? |
| 12:53.10 | goro | Hi |
| 12:53.19 | Zorkman | mbuf: then you can talk about the possibilites, maybe give a fex axamples from the communit... |
| 12:53.21 | ecraven | no, i don't like aptitude, i only use apt-get/-cache |
| 12:53.28 | mbuf | Zorkman, sure |
| 12:53.32 | Zorkman | llo goro |
| 12:53.35 | *** join/#openmoko nite613 (n=chris@i216-58-80-207.cybersurf.com) |
| 12:53.37 | ecraven | play monkey island! on your phone!! ;) |
| 12:53.46 | Zorkman | yeah :) |
| 12:53.57 | ecraven | hm.. problem about bass, no way to right-click with the pen |
| 12:54.26 | Zorkman | gesture recogniser :) |
| 12:54.29 | goro | Hi,zorkman,where are yo come from? |
| 12:54.43 | ecraven | screenshot of scummvm: http://eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at/tmp/bass.png |
| 12:54.46 | Zorkman | belgium goro |
| 12:55.57 | Zorkman | and you goro are from jakarta? |
| 12:56.03 | leinir | ecraven: That's niftiness : |
| 12:56.04 | leinir | :) |
| 12:56.15 | toggles_1 | ecraven: whats it running on? |
| 12:56.16 | leinir | ecraven: Tap-and-hold :) |
| 12:56.28 | ecraven | toggles_1: debian ;) |
| 12:56.30 | goro | yes,how you now? |
| 12:56.38 | toggles_1 | ecraven: sorry, what device |
| 12:56.42 | Zorkman | ip trace :) |
| 12:56.46 | ecraven | FR here ;) |
| 12:56.49 | ecraven | but it should work on anything that has scummvm and Xfbdev (not Xglamo) |
| 12:56.55 | ecraven | leinir: tap and hold? |
| 12:57.07 | toggles_1 | on a free runner? damn, whats your base os? |
| 12:57.12 | ecraven | debian ;) |
| 12:57.17 | ecraven | on a 4gb sd card |
| 12:57.19 | Zorkman | toggles_1: it also runs on the asu |
| 12:57.22 | ecraven | i'm playing around a lot, compiler etc. |
| 12:57.25 | leinir | ecraven: right-clicking on stylus devices :) (you'll need to hack the input but that's how you'd do it :) ) |
| 12:57.28 | toggles_1 | wow, cool |
| 12:57.28 | ecraven | it should work on 2007.2 if you use Xfbdev instead of Xglamo |
| 12:57.40 | ecraven | leinir: that would be great |
| 12:58.01 | ecraven | i thought about using the aux button, but i'll need that for ESC and F5 in scummvm anyway ;( |
| 12:58.30 | ecraven | why doesn't matchbox-desktop show proper titlebar decorations? |
| 12:58.31 | leinir | The guy doing the Plasma SoC project for small form-factor devices showed off doing that on a freerunner in a screencast a couple of weeks ago, i shall attempt to locate it :) |
| 12:58.31 | Zorkman | ecraven: in the ipk file i have, aux is supposed to be F5 but it doesn't work... i suppose there is no way i can manually fix this? |
| 12:58.59 | ecraven | Zorkman: you only need xdotool and something that monitors /dev/event4 and runs xdotool key F5 whenever you press aux |
| 12:59.11 | ecraven | i'm thinking about hacking an event server, that can be configured to run arbitrary code on events |
| 12:59.23 | ecraven | as i still haven't found anything that can do that :( |
| 12:59.44 | leinir | ecraven: There --> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3540 |
| 13:00.28 | *** join/#openmoko hklein_ (n=hklein@i59F7066A.versanet.de) |
| 13:00.33 | Dave | leinir -> /usr/qtopia/whore |
| 13:01.16 | ecraven | leinir: interesting. i have no idea how event filters work, but that should be good ;) |
| 13:01.41 | leinir | curtsies to Dave "At Your service, Sir" ;) |
| 13:01.54 | ecraven | tap-and-hold for 1s or so without moving much would be cool |
| 13:02.27 | leinir | *nods* :) |
| 13:02.51 | Dave | bahaha |
| 13:02.53 | Dave | ;) |
| 13:03.32 | Dave | ecraven: Score is -7686 Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] |
| 13:03.37 | Dave | rut roh |
| 13:03.43 | ecraven | score? |
| 13:03.45 | zogs | do you know where I can find repository for libcairo2 (>= 1.6.4), libcairo2 (>= 1.6.4) and libpulse0 (>= 0.0.10) ?? |
| 13:03.52 | *** part/#openmoko goro (n=kekaishi@125.161.224.94) |
| 13:03.56 | Dave | zogs, they're both in main |
| 13:04.13 | Dave | check buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armvt4l/ |
| 13:04.14 | *** join/#openmoko Tig| (n=tigger@82.153.215.237) |
| 13:04.16 | Dave | they're all in there |
| 13:04.28 | Dave | or were last time I checked ;) |
| 13:05.00 | Dave | ecraven, I updated my linux-kernel-headers and suddely aptitude wants to remove eighty packages :P |
| 13:05.02 | zogs | thanks |
| 13:05.38 | ecraven | Dave: hehe, it does that.. use apt-get! |
| 13:06.06 | Dave | bah |
| 13:06.12 | Dave | it's not going to matter, silly :P |
| 13:08.00 | Dave | removing one million packages... |
| 13:08.10 | Zorkman | ecraven: do you have any ideas if other games/emulators would be possible on the freerunner or will they run too slow? |
| 13:08.27 | ecraven | with Xfbdev probably, but if Xglamo works, things should be ok |
| 13:08.45 | Zorkman | should be hope for Xglamo to ever work? |
| 13:08.47 | ecraven | i've never used anything except scummvm, so i wouldn't know though |
| 13:08.52 | ecraven | of course ;) |
| 13:09.11 | ecraven | i've had a look at the glamo source code yesterday, but i have *no* idea where to start looking :( |
| 13:09.59 | Dave | it's scary warey :p |
| 13:11.36 | Dave | uggh, thanks for ballooning aptitude, I really appreciate that. |
| 13:12.09 | *** join/#openmoko trs80 (n=trs80@124-169-78-39.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 13:12.12 | trs80 | hi guys |
| 13:12.27 | trs80 | I did an opkg upgrade, now it doesn't boot - it says bad magic number |
| 13:13.19 | HauDyr | have you checked your pentagrams lately :-) |
| 13:13.27 | Zorkman | :D |
| 13:13.42 | Zorkman | why isn't there a way to "flag" opkg updates as defect? |
| 13:14.19 | Zorkman | there just have to be at least 100people who's device doesn't boot anymore after that opkg upgrade since yesterday... |
| 13:14.56 | Bill_ | even more.. |
| 13:14.57 | HauDyr | Zorkman, is'nt it easier not to push an defective update ? |
| 13:15.11 | Bill_ | HauDyr: it's not pushed |
| 13:15.30 | Bill_ | you are updating to "nightly builds" which are officially of alpha quality |
| 13:15.41 | HauDyr | then shoved down their throats :-) |
| 13:15.41 | Bill_ | which means, they may or may not work... |
| 13:15.46 | bumbl | does anyone have the original /etc/opkg directory which he could share? |
| 13:16.20 | Dave | Hey bumble :D |
| 13:16.24 | zogs | fuck ASU ...unstable !! |
| 13:16.30 | bumbl | hi Davy |
| 13:16.30 | Dave | hahaha, zogs. |
| 13:16.32 | zogs | very unstable |
| 13:16.39 | Dave | No kidding :P |
| 13:16.44 | Zorkman | bumbl: i think i have |
| 13:16.45 | HauDyr | Bill_, ok its automatic |
| 13:16.51 | Bill_ | update* |
| 13:16.52 | Bill_ | ?? |
| 13:17.29 | Zorkman | bumbl: it's one for the asu though |
| 13:17.30 | Bill_ | the builds are indeed automaticly done... |
| 13:17.30 | trs80 | the getting started page recommends an opkg upgrade |
| 13:17.38 | HauDyr | Bill_, i ment "i understand" |
| 13:18.00 | Bill_ | trs80: and it was a good recommendation til yesterday :) |
| 13:18.06 | bumbl | Zorkman: because I think you have to mix donwloads.openmoko.org repositories with the buildhost.openmoko.org repositories |
| 13:18.34 | Zorkman | i can also give you my working opkg folder... |
| 13:18.44 | bumbl | Zorkman: would you mind to uploading somewhere? |
| 13:18.49 | Zorkman | np |
| 13:19.07 | Zorkman | just give me a sec to find my way through linux :) |
| 13:19.43 | ecraven | nice, now i have a button to rotate my screen around ;) |
| 13:20.21 | zogs | I want rotate with accelerometer sensor |
| 13:20.25 | Zorkman | bumbl: damn, my username and login of webspace are stored in my windows OS... i'll upload them with some webserver |
| 13:20.41 | Zorkman | bumbl: you want the original ASU ones or the modified ones? |
| 13:21.10 | HauDyr | Bill_, but what we then need is someting like testing and unstable in debian (if its not like that already) |
| 13:21.32 | Bill_ | well.. we have |
| 13:21.39 | HauDyr | good |
| 13:22.20 | Bill_ | everything coming from nighly builds.. whether it's buildhost.openmoko.org or buildhost.autimated.it (scaredycat) is unstable |
| 13:22.30 | bumbl | Zorkman: both if possible; i do have a backup of nearly everything except the original /etc/opkg files. |
| 13:22.31 | Bill_ | testing are the "releases" |
| 13:23.02 | *** part/#openmoko alphabea1 (n=nick@123-243-190-207.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 13:23.19 | ecraven | zogs: that's not hard, just read /dev/input/event2 (and 3), and call xrandr -o .. when appropriate |
| 13:23.44 | bumbl | HauDyr: what we would need is something like the dpkg status hold or package.mask |
| 13:24.10 | Dave | hey haudryarab |
| 13:24.23 | *** join/#openmoko ArteK (i=arteq@artekw.cerbero.pl) |
| 13:24.30 | HauDyr | hey im an moistarab :-) |
| 13:24.52 | trs80 | flashes a new kernel on |
| 13:25.11 | ecraven | now, i should really save an image of my SD card.. lest the FR breaks it again! |
| 13:25.21 | bumbl | ecraven: wouldn't that mean very heavy load reading /dev/input/event[2,3] all the time?? |
| 13:25.26 | zogs | ecraven: yes but first I want a stable image on neo |
| 13:25.36 | bumbl | s/mean/cause/ |
| 13:25.38 | ecraven | bumbl: yes, that's why you shouldn't read from it all the time, but only now and then ;) |
| 13:25.53 | *** join/#openmoko gros (n=lauwenma@unaffiliated/gros) |
| 13:26.54 | ecraven | evtest is a very useful tool ;) |
| 13:27.33 | Dave | :P |
| 13:28.20 | Zorkman | bumbl: http://www.sendspace.com/file/nt67im |
| 13:28.51 | Zorkman | bumbl: http://www.sendspace.com/file/7zj95g |
| 13:29.01 | bumbl | Zorkman: thank you |
| 13:30.04 | Zorkman | np |
| 13:30.15 | *** join/#openmoko alphabeat (n=nick@123-243-190-207.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 13:31.05 | *** join/#openmoko everslick (n=clemens@91-113-118-109.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 13:32.11 | Zorkman | bumbl: thank to you i learned something by doing a tar --help :) |
| 13:33.08 | Dave | :D |
| 13:34.00 | *** join/#openmoko smhar (n=tes@193.188.117.67) |
| 13:34.17 | Zorkman | there a good remark on the mailinglist: |
| 13:34.29 | Zorkman | why is openmoko developing its own gps app? |
| 13:34.32 | ecraven | bumbl: i receive about 287 events per second on /dev/input/event2 |
| 13:34.34 | *** join/#openmoko Sup3rkiddo (n=sudharsh@unaffiliated/sudharsh) |
| 13:34.41 | Dave | crap, this is so painful |
| 13:34.43 | Zorkman | why not just modify tango gps so it doesn't need gpsd |
| 13:34.53 | Dave | I'm trying to think who I was talking to the day I had that toolchain conversation |
| 13:34.54 | ecraven | Zorkman: why not use gpsd? |
| 13:34.59 | Dave | Do you remember, ecraven? :) |
| 13:35.04 | Dave | Oh, I remember it was Ainulindale! |
| 13:35.09 | ecraven | no, i never had much luck with toolchain |
| 13:35.16 | mjr | well it does make sense to have something a bit more high level than gpsd... |
| 13:35.17 | ecraven | Dave: check in -cdevel |
| 13:35.19 | Zorkman | ecraven: I know nothing, I'm from Barcelona :) but it seems to me if you can to something without another app, it's more efficient... no? |
| 13:35.38 | ecraven | ah, barcelona! beautiful city, awesome language ;) |
| 13:36.07 | Zorkman | (I"m quoting "Manuel" from the series "Fawlty Towers" I'm actually from ugly belgium :)) -we do have great beer though :) |
| 13:36.43 | ecraven | hehe, never been to belgium ;( |
| 13:37.41 | Zorkman | home of the french (/freedom :p) fries, chocolate and beer, otherwise not much to do except for a few beautifull cities |
| 13:37.47 | *** join/#openmoko LetoTo (n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com) |
| 13:37.54 | ecraven | hm.. would network-manager work on the neo? |
| 13:40.50 | *** join/#openmoko Fossi (n=fossi@d193131.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 13:43.31 | bumbl | ecraven: try to compile and run it; i would try wicd (should run with no/slight modifications) first though because my experience shows that the networkmanager is quite unstable; you might also take a look at lint-wifi |
| 13:43.49 | *** join/#openmoko MPS_ (n=mathias@h180-121-116-82.dsl.netz-quadrat.de) |
| 13:44.57 | ecraven | thanks! looking into wicd in a minute |
| 13:45.34 | Dave | hails Ainulindale |
| 13:48.21 | *** join/#openmoko goro (n=kekaishi@125.161.224.94) |
| 13:49.54 | *** join/#openmoko anno^da (n=anno^da@p5B07EFB0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:51.21 | *** join/#openmoko christooss (n=matic@195.250.215.184) |
| 13:53.18 | *** join/#openmoko Gnutoo (n=gnutoo@host6-25-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 13:54.21 | ecraven | ;( hm.. wicd pulls in a lot of python and dbus and gtk ... |
| 13:55.22 | *** part/#openmoko goro (n=kekaishi@125.161.224.94) |
| 13:55.37 | *** join/#openmoko jancona (n=jancona@38.97.74.254) |
| 13:56.02 | *** join/#openmoko polz (n=polz@cpe-90-157-213-131.dynamic.amis.net) |
| 13:56.14 | *** join/#openmoko zAMz (n=chatzill@mue-88-130-59-138.dsl.tropolys.de) |
| 13:57.08 | Ainulindale | Dave: What ? |
| 13:58.37 | bumbl | ecraven: yes |
| 13:58.38 | bumbl | dev-python/dbus-python |
| 13:58.40 | bumbl | dev-python/pygtk |
| 13:58.41 | bumbl | net-misc/dhcp |
| 13:58.43 | bumbl | net-wireless/wireless-tools |
| 13:58.44 | bumbl | net-wireless/wpa_supplicant |
| 13:58.46 | bumbl | sys-apps/ethtool |
| 13:59.13 | bumbl | but networkmanager will pull in more dependencies I think |
| 13:59.22 | ecraven | hm.. seems it wants rightclicking too ;( |
| 13:59.24 | ecraven | yes, definitely |
| 14:00.17 | Rigolo | ecraven: well then clikc in the right button of your Fr ... maybe hold it a few secs :-) |
| 14:00.24 | *** join/#openmoko patrykszymczak (n=patryk@gkk251.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 14:01.24 | bumbl | ecraven: you could try ceni, it's the sidux cli network connection script; all you need is a terminal and a keyboard |
| 14:01.35 | *** join/#openmoko ArteK_ (i=arteq@artekw.cerbero.pl) |
| 14:01.39 | Bill_ | ecraven: we can't hope anyways that we'll stick with the UI that NM originally has for gnome/kde |
| 14:01.45 | ecraven | bumbl: exactly what i don't have ;-P |
| 14:01.46 | Bill_ | ui has to be rewritten anyway |
| 14:02.15 | Dave | Ainulindale! |
| 14:03.26 | Dave | Building drivers |
| 14:04.19 | teprrr | hmm, what do you think, which distribution is the way to go for neo1973 atm? |
| 14:05.10 | teprrr | newest asu doesn't seem to find its init at all :/ |
| 14:05.12 | *** join/#openmoko |FiLiP| (n=Filip@d5152E303.access.telenet.be) |
| 14:06.00 | bumbl | if the ui has to be rewitten than wicd might be a good try because as far as I can judge it it is very modular |
| 14:06.35 | ecraven | doesn't work too well so far ;( can't find any networks, even though iwlist eth0 scan shows a bunch |
| 14:07.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4562 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg.c: |
| 14:07.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: opkg: remove a serious memory leak |
| 14:07.09 | CIA-46 | openmoko: when searching every package opkg will clone the package but never released. |
| 14:09.08 | ecraven | bumbl: is there any way to run the daemon in debug mode, so i can see what it's doing? |
| 14:11.26 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r143b8ec88112 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): add fd.o launcher integration |
| 14:12.16 | *** join/#openmoko Deubeuliou (n=david@AFontenayssB-151-1-53-15.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:13.54 | bumbl | hmm, the last time I used wicd was 4 months ago; i thought it would do that automatically; you could try appending something like -v or wicd.py 2> debug and tail -f debug |
| 14:14.59 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r7f49522a4c0d 10/setup.py: fix fd.o integration paths |
| 14:15.06 | ecraven | hm.. what is the correct driver for the atheros? |
| 14:15.27 | ecraven | wext? |
| 14:15.29 | bumbl | wext |
| 14:15.37 | CVirus | wext ? |
| 14:15.54 | bumbl | yes for wpa_supplicant it is -Dwext |
| 14:16.03 | ecraven | oh, my bad, it assumes eth0 is wired |
| 14:16.04 | CVirus | oh |
| 14:16.24 | *** join/#openmoko AntonTakk (n=AntonTak@64.81.101.148) |
| 14:16.42 | bumbl | normally eth0 is wired but normally there is a /root instead of /home/root |
| 14:16.47 | *** join/#openmoko Andre613 (n=chatzill@static-209-87-232-169.storm.ca) |
| 14:17.02 | bumbl | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=543785 <- this might help for debugging |
| 14:17.09 | AntonTakk | yeah, eth0 is just a name |
| 14:17.29 | AntonTakk | for all *nix cares you can tell it to name your nic booger0 |
| 14:18.50 | AntonTakk | i heard yesterday that 7/21 was the most recent asu with the illume kb, is that right? |
| 14:19.21 | *** join/#openmoko ascot (n=ascot@vpn1-12.tu-graz.ac.at) |
| 14:19.26 | ecraven | hm.. there are a *lot* of problems ;) there's no "ip" in debian |
| 14:20.05 | ecraven | yay, connected to Foo at 203% ;-P |
| 14:20.09 | Dave | :( |
| 14:20.16 | *** join/#openmoko |FiLiP| (n=Filip@d5152E303.access.telenet.be) |
| 14:21.28 | Andre613 | Has anyone here experienced their kernel getting blown away? I did an opkg upgrade yesterday, and it reported that the kernel upgrade was successful. This morning, I reboot my FR, and uboot can't find a kernel. |
| 14:21.36 | *** join/#openmoko t_s_o (n=kvirc@227.84-49-129.nextgentel.com) |
| 14:21.59 | niap | Andre613, normal behaviour |
| 14:22.08 | niap | kernel-upgrade package is broken |
| 14:22.50 | Andre613 | ah... k so I just have to manually reflash the kernel, right? I was worried that the NAND was busted ;) |
| 14:22.57 | niap | yes |
| 14:23.04 | niap | simply reflash kernel via dfu |
| 14:23.08 | Andre613 | thanks niap |
| 14:23.18 | niap | you're welcome |
| 14:23.44 | ecraven | with a bunch of modifications, wicd might work |
| 14:25.17 | *** join/#openmoko vaiursch (n=erwin@84-75-28-58.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 14:25.22 | Bill_ | indeed.. wicd looks nice |
| 14:25.44 | ecraven | it's trying to find out whether wired is plugged in, and failing miserably |
| 14:26.29 | *** join/#openmoko jadams__ (n=jadams@rrcs-24-73-180-234.se.biz.rr.com) |
| 14:26.44 | jadams__ | what's the suggested image for a Neo to run as of today? |
| 14:27.14 | *** join/#openmoko dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 14:27.23 | *** join/#openmoko ecraven (n=nex@140.78.42.101) |
| 14:27.31 | *** join/#openmoko imcsk8 (n=ichavero@148.229.1.11) |
| 14:27.43 | ecraven | debian!! ;) |
| 14:27.53 | Bill_ | qtopia :) |
| 14:27.54 | bumbl | hmm I got opkg upgrade through the libcairo2 error |
| 14:28.07 | McKael | Hello |
| 14:28.35 | AntonTakk | jadams__: i have the best reliability with asu, thou it is a bit sluggish |
| 14:28.41 | McKael | When I plug my FR to my PC, sometimes I get: |
| 14:28.43 | McKael | usb 3-2: device not accepting address 9, error -71 |
| 14:28.48 | McKael | (on the host) |
| 14:28.49 | bumbl | but now it wants other dependencies: app-restarter splinter assassin-thumbnail |
| 14:28.59 | bumbl | does anyone know where to get them |
| 14:29.09 | McKael | and the FR isn't recognized by the host. |
| 14:29.27 | McKael | Btw the FR doesn't charge either :( |
| 14:29.55 | Bill_ | AntonTakk: also usable daily? |
| 14:30.11 | McKael | Sometimes rebooting the FreeRunner helps. Sometimes it doesn't... Does that happen to you? |
| 14:30.29 | AntonTakk | Bill_: ime, yes, i have been using the asu daily from 7/15 |
| 14:30.45 | Bill_ | hmh.. ok.. got my fr only on friday so haven't had too much time yet |
| 14:30.56 | Bill_ | altho have followed progress for some time now |
| 14:30.57 | Dave | Hello :) |
| 14:31.15 | xMDKx | Dave: hello |
| 14:31.25 | AntonTakk | Bill_: yeah, as soon as fso becomes a stable phone+address book, i'm switching to it |
| 14:31.38 | ecraven | does the kernel handle suspend by itself ? or do i need userspace software? |
| 14:31.38 | Bill_ | qtopia seems reasonably stable and mature.. altho.. yes.. i know.. it's really not a openmoko distro |
| 14:32.02 | AntonTakk | i had a noticable bit of funkyness with qtopia |
| 14:32.08 | Bill_ | AntonTakk: ok.. i'll look into it in couple of hours |
| 14:33.34 | bumbl | ecraven: i think you need userspace software; apm -s should suspend it |
| 14:34.17 | *** join/#openmoko marcinsoo (n=chatzill@acyw109.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 14:34.29 | *** join/#openmoko greentux (n=lemke@ip-217-18-181-130.static.reverse.dsi.net) |
| 14:34.39 | *** join/#openmoko daMaestro (n=jon@fedora/damaestro) |
| 14:34.58 | *** join/#openmoko retracile__ (n=eli@76-204-213-211.lightspeed.allntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 14:36.39 | jadams__ | AntonTakk, thanks |
| 14:36.43 | *** join/#openmoko |FiLiP| (n=Filip@d5152E303.access.telenet.be) |
| 14:39.03 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r1f6b788ac3c9 10/odeviced/ (11 files in 8 dirs): |
| 14:39.03 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * Renamed ODeviced.Plugin to ODeviced.PluginManager |
| 14:39.03 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * Changed Wifi DBus object path to be in sync with frameworkd |
| 14:39.38 | *** join/#openmoko WorldDomination (n=World@d54C1C223.access.telenet.be) |
| 14:40.02 | *** join/#openmoko christooss (n=matic@195.250.215.184) |
| 14:40.39 | *** join/#openmoko josch (n=josch@host140.natpool.mwn.de) |
| 14:41.03 | *** join/#openmoko anno^da (n=anno^da@p5B07EFB0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:41.20 | jadams__ | AntonTakk, how do I put the ASU on the neo? I'm here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080728/ |
| 14:41.32 | ecraven | what are the preferred mixer applications on the FR? |
| 14:43.42 | ecraven | hehe, suspend seems to work nicely under debian. resume however... |
| 14:44.30 | *** join/#openmoko t_s_o (n=kvirc@227.84-49-129.nextgentel.com) |
| 14:44.39 | Rigolo | ecraven: do you have x and touchscreen etc all working? in other words: how close is debian to lets say 2007.02 ? |
| 14:44.49 | *** join/#openmoko anno^da (n=anno^da@p5B07EFB0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:44.49 | *** join/#openmoko slchen_ (n=slchen@61-62-214-4-adsl-tao.dynamic.so-net.net.tw) |
| 14:44.54 | ecraven | yes, touchscreen works, with Xfbdev even with xrandr |
| 14:45.04 | ecraven | i'd say all the applications should work |
| 14:45.11 | ecraven | trying to get it to resume now |
| 14:45.20 | Rigolo | but no calls yet? |
| 14:45.24 | ecraven | never tried |
| 14:45.37 | ecraven | but i have ttySAC0, and the same kernel, so i see no reason why it shouldn't work |
| 14:46.05 | ecraven | hm.. should resume "just work" with apmd? or do i need to configure it somehow |
| 14:46.08 | Rigolo | also using gsmd ? or other phone server? like the one from FSO |
| 14:46.28 | ecraven | i haven't tried gsm yet, but gps works without a problem |
| 14:46.31 | *** part/#openmoko slchen_ (n=slchen@61-62-214-4-adsl-tao.dynamic.so-net.net.tw) |
| 14:46.56 | Rigolo | mmmm the FR has not acpi right? or not implemented via uboot? |
| 14:47.15 | ecraven | no acpi i think |
| 14:47.39 | jadams__ | can anyone tell me where to find out how to install asu on the neo? that is, gta01 |
| 14:47.42 | mjr | no acpi |
| 14:47.52 | jadams__ | I only see gta02 images in http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080728/ for uImage |
| 14:48.45 | ecraven | where can i configure when the FR is resumed? |
| 14:49.05 | Rigolo | jadams__: that is because there most likely is a build error ... have a look at daily/neo1973/200807/20080721 |
| 14:49.16 | bumbl | Rigolo: no the freerunner uses apm |
| 14:49.17 | jadams__ | Rigolo, thanks |
| 14:49.20 | AntonTakk | jadams__: sorry, was afk, flash it with dfu util, just like any software stack |
| 14:49.21 | Rigolo | there I see a qtopia image |
| 14:49.44 | Rigolo | bumbl: but is that a hardware limitation? or software? |
| 14:50.12 | Rigolo | jadams__: you need the kernel from that day .. and the jffs2 rootfs image .. |
| 14:50.23 | *** join/#openmoko mike--2 (n=giantwan@1016.dca.net) |
| 14:50.38 | jadams__ | AntonTakk, I mean where can I find good images? |
| 14:50.42 | *** join/#openmoko giantHogweed (n=Frank@Pac68.p.pppool.de) |
| 14:50.45 | jadams__ | Rigolo, but they say gta02 |
| 14:50.49 | *** join/#openmoko NineX (i=ninex@gentoo.netzone.kom.pl) |
| 14:50.51 | Rigolo | be carefull with opkg update/upgrade ... it might break your phone at the moment |
| 14:50.59 | bumbl | Rigolo: hmm looking at the current state of the openmoko software I would guess it is a software limitation by uboot; just a guess though |
| 14:51.12 | mjr | acpi is pc stuff |
| 14:51.14 | AntonTakk | jadams__: the best i have found so far was the daily build from 7/15 |
| 14:51.16 | Rigolo | jadams__: are you looking in the freerunner dirs? you have a neo1973 ... look in that subdir |
| 14:51.26 | jadams__ | Rigolo, k |
| 14:51.38 | Rigolo | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080721/ |
| 14:51.55 | Rigolo | those are the latest that I can find on buildhost for the neo1973 |
| 14:52.25 | Rigolo | mjr: so why do you think it is not handy on the FR? |
| 14:53.24 | mike--2 | Rigolo: I ran update/upgrade, now i'm getting "wrong image format for bootm command - ERROR: can't get kernel image" |
| 14:53.34 | mike--2 | is that what you're referring to when you said don't upgrade |
| 14:53.36 | mjr | because the fr does not have an acpi bios? |
| 14:53.42 | AntonTakk | .... |
| 14:53.44 | *** join/#openmoko |FiLiP| (n=Filip@d5152E303.access.telenet.be) |
| 14:53.53 | Rigolo | mike--2: well ... it looks like that .... |
| 14:53.58 | AntonTakk | acpi is a standard, on PCs it is implimented in bios |
| 14:54.06 | SpeedEvil | ACPI is basically a PC thingy largely. |
| 14:54.14 | SpeedEvil | Not so much on non-x86 |
| 14:54.16 | AntonTakk | in other things, perhaps it is implimented in other ways |
| 14:54.31 | AntonTakk | that could be |
| 14:54.41 | Rigolo | never does an opkg upgrade without a -test ... first i want to see what is going to happen |
| 14:54.42 | *** join/#openmoko konqui[tm] (i=freenode@deinbnc.go4bnc.de) |
| 14:54.47 | AntonTakk | other things were designed to be energy concious to begin with :) |
| 14:55.04 | Zorkman | but rigolo, how can you see if your device will boot after the upgrade? |
| 14:55.19 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: MAGIC! |
| 14:55.32 | mike--2 | Zorkman: reboot it :-D |
| 14:55.44 | Rigolo | well ... when I see a kernel update ... I usually think twice about it ... same on my desktop machine |
| 14:55.46 | AntonTakk | whoa |
| 14:56.25 | AntonTakk | the asu from 7/21 has the qwerty button and the qtopis kb :-\ |
| 14:56.26 | mike--2 | so is there any way I can get the data off my phone without flashing it? |
| 14:56.36 | mike--2 | I have some saved screenshots I wanted to get back |
| 14:56.37 | jadams__ | Rigolo, thanks, I didn't look at the URL that the distributions page took me to to notice it was fr specific |
| 14:56.46 | *** join/#openmoko neldoreth (n=ascot@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 14:56.48 | *** join/#openmoko gnutoo_ (n=gnutoo@host14-133-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 14:56.58 | *** join/#openmoko orion_ (n=orion@124-171-166-87.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 14:57.11 | Rigolo | mike--2: can you still ssh into the phone? then you can scp things out |
| 14:57.28 | mike--2 | interesting, Can I do this from the boot loader? |
| 14:57.44 | Rigolo | mike--2: nope ... via usb networking ... see the wiki |
| 14:58.04 | mike--2 | ... but the phone isn't booting, will USB Networking still work? |
| 14:58.08 | *** join/#openmoko christooss1 (n=matic@195.250.215.184) |
| 14:58.13 | torpor | yo |
| 14:58.18 | Rigolo | AntonTakk: so that means easy switching between types of keyboard? |
| 14:58.48 | Rigolo | mike--2: completly not booting? or X not starting? does it stay stuck on please wait? |
| 14:59.19 | mike--2 | it doesn't get that far :-/ .. i'm stuck at the very first "OpenMoko" screen |
| 14:59.30 | AntonTakk | Rigolo: it was already easy with the illume kb |
| 15:00.11 | Rigolo | mmm maybe I should try it again .... It was really slow I can remember ... too slow for me ... did that improve? |
| 15:00.34 | AntonTakk | as of 7/15 i thought it was fine, just took a little getting used to |
| 15:00.48 | Rigolo | mike--2: I do not know if you can access the internal FS from uboot ... fear not |
| 15:02.21 | Dave | rigolo the gigolo |
| 15:02.25 | *** join/#openmoko TimRiker (n=timr@72-62-209-140.area3.spcsdns.net) |
| 15:02.30 | *** join/#openmoko jopk (n=chatzill@p5B162465.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:02.39 | *** join/#openmoko MPS__ (n=mathias@h200-108-116-82.dsl.netz-quadrat.de) |
| 15:02.49 | jopk | hi |
| 15:03.06 | mike--2 | Rigolo: maybe i'll try to boot to SD and see if I can access anything that way |
| 15:03.17 | Rigolo | mike--2: good luck .... |
| 15:03.34 | jopk | after upgrading and installing a few apps, neo doesn't boot any more, I only get the open moko logo. is this a known problem? |
| 15:03.45 | Rigolo | jopk: yes :-) |
| 15:03.56 | mike--2 | that should be a "yes :-(" |
| 15:04.02 | jopk | how to fix ? |
| 15:04.05 | AntonTakk | jopk: the fix is simple thou, reflash, and don't upgrade :) |
| 15:04.06 | Rigolo | mmm maybe somebody can update the topic of this channel |
| 15:04.50 | Rigolo | well ... upgrade with caution ... |
| 15:05.07 | jopk | but installing apps and upgrade a few apps like sms tool or dialer is ok? |
| 15:06.14 | Rigolo | mike--2: try to only flash the kernel ... and then see what happens |
| 15:06.14 | AntonTakk | jopk: personally, if any of the core apps work ok, i wouldn't touch them |
| 15:06.15 | AntonTakk | but installing apps shouldn't be an issue |
| 15:06.16 | jopk | yeah, but some didn't work. ok thx. I'm going to reflash it |
| 15:07.14 | jopk | how do you open your moko but with a fingernail? ;) |
| 15:07.15 | *** join/#openmoko mmaestri (i=a8e2286f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cbb0cc280854ba77) |
| 15:07.38 | AntonTakk | jopk: you mean the back? |
| 15:07.40 | Rigolo | jopk: a two euro coin .. but only if it is from san marino :-) |
| 15:07.56 | jopk | antonTakk, yes |
| 15:08.08 | Zorkman | i use a flat screwdriver... |
| 15:08.09 | AntonTakk | jopk: the notch at the top of the fr |
| 15:08.27 | jopk | yes, but fingernail hurts a bit :( |
| 15:08.36 | AntonTakk | ... |
| 15:08.44 | mike--2 | Rigolo: good idea, i'll try that |
| 15:08.47 | AntonTakk | tell it to grow a pair? ;) |
| 15:09.05 | AntonTakk | jopk: maybe try thumb nail? that's what i use |
| 15:10.36 | jopk | does thumb not cout as finger? |
| 15:11.01 | AntonTakk | not if you ask a hand specialist :) |
| 15:11.10 | Rigolo | no, that is what make us special .. our thumb :-) |
| 15:11.28 | AntonTakk | Rigolo: our one collective thumb? |
| 15:11.29 | Rigolo | you can go all over the univers with just your thumb (and a towel) |
| 15:11.46 | jopk | I ask you: do you have 8 or 10 fingers? |
| 15:11.54 | AntonTakk | 8 |
| 15:11.58 | jopk | lol |
| 15:11.58 | AntonTakk | and two thumbs |
| 15:12.10 | AntonTakk | two oposable thumbs |
| 15:12.23 | Zorkman | rigolo: for under 20 (or something like that) altarian dollars a day :) |
| 15:12.34 | Rigolo | actually ... only 6 ... and 2 thumbs .. and 2 pinkies :-) |
| 15:12.53 | torpor | any fanboix in here wanna have a fight about how much things don't suck? |
| 15:13.12 | Rigolo | nope ... it sucks big time .. and that is good :-) |
| 15:13.12 | Zorkman | lol :) |
| 15:13.26 | Zorkman | wht would you do if it didn't suck? use it? |
| 15:13.44 | *** join/#openmoko sitwon (n=adam@static-71-166-233-112.washdc.east.verizon.net) |
| 15:15.05 | *** join/#openmoko onkelfip (n=Filip@d5152E303.access.telenet.be) |
| 15:15.19 | AntonTakk | pinkies are nasty beasts, especially with the robotic hindquarters |
| 15:15.36 | torpor | i'd have bought a 10-pack, put my apps on them, then sold the systems for profit. |
| 15:15.39 | torpor | ;) |
| 15:16.02 | Rigolo | torpor: and ... are your customers happy? |
| 15:16.07 | torpor | nope |
| 15:16.13 | torpor | they think the openmoko phone is a lame duck |
| 15:16.22 | torpor | its a tragedy |
| 15:16.25 | Rigolo | so now they want to return them to you? |
| 15:16.33 | torpor | no, i haven't bought a 10 pack yet. |
| 15:16.46 | Zorkman | on the mailinglists someone says he read FIC wants to sell 10.000.000 freerunners in 2008 :D |
| 15:16.46 | torpor | thats what i would do if it didn't suck. |
| 15:17.12 | torpor | look, i'm not saying it won't suck, just that there seems to e something going on with openmoko as a company that is making them produce crap. |
| 15:17.12 | Zorkman | what would your pp be torpor? |
| 15:17.21 | Rigolo | torpor: well .. you can always buy a 10 pack ... and build a beowulf cluster ;-) |
| 15:17.28 | AntonTakk | torpor: imho, anyone stupid enough to buy ANY product w/o understanding as much about it as possible first deserves any disapointment they get |
| 15:17.35 | torpor | yup |
| 15:17.38 | torpor | i'm with you on that. |
| 15:17.44 | *** join/#openmoko Sebastian (n=sb@p5B373FF2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:17.53 | torpor | its just that i bought a neo1973 with the idea that by the time the freerunner was released, these stupid issues would be solved. |
| 15:18.03 | torpor | but here we are, the freerunner is out, and its like its 2007 all over again. |
| 15:18.16 | AntonTakk | "these stupid issues"? |
| 15:18.37 | torpor | glamo, sd, gps problems. |
| 15:18.40 | torpor | no keyboard policy |
| 15:18.47 | torpor | features being reverted |
| 15:18.54 | Rigolo | knew he was buying something that would not reallt work 100% ... not even 60% .... but i can make an receive calls .. send text .. and have it sit here on my desk ... and ssh into it ... that is at least 100% more then my nokia :-) |
| 15:18.55 | Chox | Glamo is in good shape |
| 15:18.59 | torpor | multiple personality disorder on the distribution side |
| 15:19.04 | *** join/#openmoko Tig| (n=tigger@82.153.215.237) |
| 15:19.08 | ecraven | Chox: no landscape is *not* good shape ;) |
| 15:19.11 | Chox | SD and GPS seem to be good too, with kernel fix |
| 15:19.15 | Chox | well, ok. |
| 15:19.16 | torpor | Chox: as of what .. a day ago? |
| 15:19.19 | AntonTakk | the gps problem wasn't even known till after fr release, and iirc, a suitable sw fix was had within 10 days or so |
| 15:19.20 | torpor | SDL don't work. |
| 15:19.24 | ecraven | yes, gps/sd works for me, even if i run *from* the sd card |
| 15:19.26 | Rigolo | hee Tig| ... keyboard modified already :-) |
| 15:19.30 | torpor | SD and GPS are **not** fixed. |
| 15:19.31 | Zorkman | Chox: do you know of FSO uses glamo? because ASU doesn't |
| 15:19.34 | ecraven | sdl does work |
| 15:19.36 | Chox | ah, I won't bother, you're just enumerating things to bitch about. |
| 15:19.51 | torpor | SDL doesn't work on om207.2 |
| 15:19.53 | AntonTakk | torpor: they are with a recent kernel |
| 15:19.55 | Chox | Zorkman: _everything_ graphic uses glamo. it's the gfx chip :p |
| 15:20.12 | Tig| | Rigolo: which one? have been busy today so not had chance to play |
| 15:20.13 | Rigolo | torpor: I loaded the july 22th 2007.02 image and kernel ... took my sd card out .. and get a gps fix in 33 secs |
| 15:20.14 | Zorkman | on my asu the process xglamo doesn't run though... |
| 15:20.17 | torpor | i've got the latest kernel from mwester which includes andy's latest fixes |
| 15:20.18 | Chox | .. |
| 15:20.20 | AntonTakk | torpor: doesn't matter, with a shares 7m bus for glamo/sd, you can't do much in the way of 3d anyways |
| 15:20.30 | Rigolo | torpor: and with the SD card in it ... it took 130 secs ... but still worked |
| 15:20.42 | torpor | AntonTakk: yeah, and .. didn't someone *think* about this when they designed it? |
| 15:20.52 | *** join/#openmoko onkelfip (n=Filip@d5152E303.access.telenet.be) |
| 15:21.09 | torpor | rigolo: i get a fix too, and i have the kernel fixes in.. after about 2 minutes. but if i do anything with the SD card in the meantime - multitask, etc. - GPS goes wayyyy off the map |
| 15:21.17 | Chox | ah, this is the same Jay Vaughan mooing on the mailing list. |
| 15:21.17 | Zorkman | torpor: they tested, but with an artificial GPS signal, seems like it wasn't very good calibrated, the tests included GPS while SD inserted |
| 15:21.22 | torpor | co |
| 15:21.23 | AntonTakk | torpor: the problem never showed when the *TESTED* it with aparently fairly industry standard proceedures |
| 15:21.31 | torpor | moo |
| 15:21.36 | Tig| | torpor: well the glamo package got them back the sd interface they lost when they put wifi in |
| 15:21.48 | torpor | AntonTakk: no, it wasn't industry standard, i have mail from OM themselves confirming this. |
| 15:21.58 | torpor | anyway enough bitching from me. |
| 15:22.00 | torpor | chox: moo |
| 15:22.04 | Rigolo | torpor: well .. .get us a phone with the same specs as the iphone with free docs ... are you happy then? |
| 15:22.06 | Chox | neigh. |
| 15:22.23 | AntonTakk | torpor: ok, fine, so it wasn't and i mis-understood that, lets see you build a nicer phone in the same ammount of time |
| 15:22.28 | torpor | Rigolo: i'll be happy when things settle down. |
| 15:22.34 | *** join/#openmoko DerTechniker (n=CarstenF@p57A445D5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:22.46 | *** part/#openmoko DerTechniker (n=CarstenF@p57A445D5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:22.49 | AntonTakk | Chox: mooing on the mailing list? |
| 15:22.58 | torpor | AntonTakk: i work for THALES, i make systems for safety-critical platforms, i very well may take you up on that .. |
| 15:23.07 | Rigolo | torpor: and then the GTA03 .. or the GTA04 is around the corner .. and you do not want this GTa02 anymore .. and you will see different issues with those phones |
| 15:23.16 | AntonTakk | torpor: they were quite settled before you spoke, so i think we have a solution ;) |
| 15:23.19 | torpor | i just hope that the gta03 is settled. |
| 15:23.24 | torpor | AntonTakk: i don't think so |
| 15:23.33 | Chox | it won't be. it'll be new hardware with new issues. |
| 15:23.53 | Zorkman | indeed and the glamo-fix in GTA03 is to remove it :) |
| 15:24.06 | torpor | the only bitch i have is the ASR/FSO/OM2007.2/QTOPIA split. for me, this was the stupidest decision i've ever seen, and i've seen a few. |
| 15:24.11 | *** join/#openmoko harzi (n=dani@84-73-143-231.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 15:24.18 | AntonTakk | torpor: look, if you don't like the phone go away and let those of us who do deal with any problems that arise |
| 15:24.19 | *** join/#openmoko swc|666 (n=swc|666@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 15:24.23 | Rigolo | Zorkman: do you have a replacement part available already then? same or lower price? |
| 15:24.43 | torpor | AntonTakk: i will not go away, and i do have a right to voice my opinion. i also have a right to continue my apps development. |
| 15:24.54 | Zorkman | Rigolo: no, but I read on the maiilinglist that they were thinking about removing the gmalo for GTA03 |
| 15:25.02 | AntonTakk | torpor: didn't say you don't |
| 15:25.04 | Zorkman | (I could be mistaken) |
| 15:25.14 | *** part/#openmoko AndreasD (n=andreas@1407ds1-ns.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 15:25.24 | Rigolo | Zorkman: and replace it with what? (not that I am a embedded hardware specialist) |
| 15:25.29 | torpor | so has anyone gotten SDL working on OM2007.2? |
| 15:25.30 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: i understood that glamo removal was a certainty |
| 15:25.39 | ecraven | torpor: it works perfectly under debian |
| 15:25.40 | torpor | i hope OMAP is a consideration for GTA03. |
| 15:25.45 | ecraven | omap? |
| 15:25.56 | torpor | ecraven: see?!! thats the @#$*&(@#&$ problem!! |
| 15:26.02 | XorA | torpor: GTA03 wont change hardware much |
| 15:26.03 | Zorkman | AntonTakk: well, I thought that also, but because Rigolo didn't know about it I was beginning to doubt :) sometimes I misread |
| 15:26.03 | ecraven | "that"? |
| 15:26.10 | ecraven | oh, sdl and debian |
| 15:26.15 | torpor | yeah, that: it 'works under debian'. |
| 15:26.16 | Chox | so fix it!!!!11one!! |
| 15:26.17 | ecraven | well, let's just switch to debian ;) things work there |
| 15:26.21 | torpor | the phones don't ship with debian, dude! |
| 15:26.33 | ecraven | ah, but they could ;) |
| 15:26.33 | Chox | less mooing. more dooing. |
| 15:26.39 | torpor | Chox: nod |
| 15:27.14 | Zorkman | just to be sure: torpor are you indeed Jay Vaughan? |
| 15:27.22 | torpor | Zorkman: yes |
| 15:27.26 | Zorkman | k |
| 15:27.32 | torpor | who are you Zorkman ? |
| 15:27.37 | Chox | Debian does have by default Xglamo however. That might be the interaction. |
| 15:27.38 | Zorkman | "yorick" |
| 15:27.40 | AntonTakk | ecraven: i already have to buy laptops with the intention of reinstalling right off the bat, don't bring that mess to the phones |
| 15:27.43 | Chox | s/does/doesn't/ |
| 15:27.55 | Zorkman | but don't expect something usefull comming from me :) I'm new to everything |
| 15:27.59 | *** join/#openmoko AndreasD_ (n=andreas@1407ds1-ns.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 15:28.18 | ecraven | Chox: it can't be a problem to provide a package, even the binaries from 2007.2 run fine |
| 15:28.29 | *** join/#openmoko onkelfip (n=Filip@d5152E303.access.telenet.be) |
| 15:28.32 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: did that comment change to the edc cod get you your qwerty button? |
| 15:28.40 | Chox | yes, but I'm talking about the SDL problem. |
| 15:28.44 | ecraven | i'm not saying it's the fix for all problems, but debian seems to have many more packages than angstrom |
| 15:28.44 | torpor | well i've got a few things i should delvier now that i've pissed off all thefanboix. such as developer tutorials, a compiler-onboard howto, a game or two, and some nice applets. plus some contributions to settingsgui, when the new version is released. |
| 15:28.45 | Chox | tracking it might be tricky. |
| 15:29.08 | *** join/#openmoko jmontane (n=jmontane@html-ref.fr) |
| 15:29.08 | Zorkman | AntonTakk: I already had the qwerty button with the modified illume.edj file from the mailinglists, but now whe nI click it it just opens the dropdown window |
| 15:29.16 | Chox | ecraven: yes, 20000 or so ;-) |
| 15:29.22 | *** part/#openmoko AndreasD_ (n=andreas@1407ds1-ns.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 15:29.29 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: oh, yeah, that's what it was :) |
| 15:29.50 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: i think i'm gonna customize my illume theme |
| 15:30.06 | torpor | later, more mooing to do. .. |
| 15:30.14 | *** join/#openmoko Bubbi (n=bubbi@90.184.129.109) |
| 15:30.24 | Zorkman | stupid question: does debian use more system resources (power) than angstrom? |
| 15:30.41 | AntonTakk | get rid of the green, the fso's purplish blue looked nice |
| 15:30.46 | Chox | maybe. |
| 15:31.00 | Chox | binaries are bigger, more use of RAM, more access of flash. |
| 15:31.05 | swc|666 | Zorkman yes |
| 15:31.25 | swc|666 | Zorkman - but it rocks compared to angstrom |
| 15:31.35 | ecraven | well, if bigger binaries get me a working system, i'm in ;) |
| 15:31.58 | Chox | and Debian gets a whole heck of a lot more QA than Angstrom. |
| 15:32.05 | Chox | although the armel stuff less so. |
| 15:32.15 | Zorkman | QA? question and answer? |
| 15:32.26 | AntonTakk | Chox: debian gets lots of qa? not ime :) |
| 15:32.32 | *** join/#openmoko two3four (n=erik@c83-251-53-226.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 15:32.33 | AntonTakk | quality assurance |
| 15:32.46 | Chox | IMCE, it does. |
| 15:33.01 | Chox | anyway, the operative word was "more" |
| 15:33.13 | ecraven | imce? |
| 15:33.18 | AntonTakk | ever tried the "stable" sparc32? it's not so stable |
| 15:33.21 | Chox | in my considerable experience |
| 15:33.32 | Chox | AntonTakk: unhuh. Neither here nor here for armel. |
| 15:33.36 | *** join/#openmoko onkelfip (n=Filip@d5152E303.access.telenet.be) |
| 15:33.57 | AntonTakk | Chox: but it is here and here for debian |
| 15:34.07 | Chox | no idea what you're on about. |
| 15:35.53 | AntonTakk | Chox: just that ime debian is only well tested on x86 |
| 15:36.13 | Chox | Then I must assume that your e doesn't include armel. |
| 15:36.18 | *** join/#openmoko str4nd (i=str4nd@wikipedia/str4nd) |
| 15:36.18 | Chox | or indeed, amd64 |
| 15:36.25 | AntonTakk | my e? |
| 15:36.32 | AntonTakk | oh |
| 15:36.51 | AntonTakk | no, i left debian years ago and am quite happy |
| 15:37.02 | ecraven | i've been playing with debian for a few days, not a single crash on the neo |
| 15:37.05 | Chox | sigh. so your experience isn't even _current_ |
| 15:37.27 | AntonTakk | Chox: my experience was bad enough that i never want to bother updating it |
| 15:38.05 | *** join/#openmoko andlo (n=andlo@x1-6-00-16-d3-2f-5f-f2.k954.webspeed.dk) |
| 15:38.09 | Chox | So your Debian Sparc experience is enough for you to making sweeping statements about all Debian? That's a bit naive. |
| 15:38.16 | AntonTakk | no |
| 15:38.25 | Chox | esp. since Debian on FR clearly works quite well. |
| 15:38.28 | AntonTakk | debian sparc and debian x86 |
| 15:38.43 | Chox | whatever. you're changing the goal posts. |
| 15:38.44 | Dave | Chox |
| 15:38.55 | Chox | d. |
| 15:39.18 | AntonTakk | just highlighting sparc32 cause it actually crashed like every 5 minutes under debian |
| 15:39.31 | trs80 | did you try it with another distro? |
| 15:39.33 | Chox | spots hyperbole. |
| 15:39.35 | AntonTakk | yes |
| 15:39.41 | AntonTakk | rh6.2 |
| 15:39.48 | AntonTakk | rock solid, but slow |
| 15:40.07 | AntonTakk | also works fine with solaris 9 |
| 15:40.27 | bagpuss_thecat | sparc64 is rock solid on my Ultra5 |
| 15:40.38 | Chox | cos FR uses sparc |
| 15:40.52 | AntonTakk | Chox: not what i'm saying |
| 15:40.59 | Chox | Dave: what are your breakage plans for this week? |
| 15:41.30 | AntonTakk | saying that non-x86 aparently doesn't get anywhere near the testing in debian that x86 does |
| 15:41.39 | ecraven | Dave: i'll start on that event daemon soon, then i'll write a demo that does the xrandr-on-accelerator-change ;) |
| 15:41.58 | *** join/#openmoko niap (n=nicholas@77-57-10-8.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 15:42.28 | AntonTakk | also that there is no reason to ship debian by default when openembedded is already designed specifically for such devices |
| 15:42.47 | grummel | a |
| 15:43.16 | *** join/#openmoko jOERG_rw (n=jr@118-166-67-124.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 15:45.35 | Zorkman | is it much work to port a debian application to angstrom? |
| 15:45.52 | Zorkman | (generally speaking) |
| 15:46.50 | balrog-kun | generally applications shouldn't need any porting |
| 15:46.56 | balrog-kun | if they are written well |
| 15:47.16 | Dave | :P |
| 15:47.24 | Dave | ecraven, oooh hot :D |
| 15:47.29 | Dave | I can't wait till that gets done |
| 15:47.30 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: if porting was involved, it wouldn't be debian to angstron it would be $ARCH to arm |
| 15:47.35 | Dave | but it seems like it may be a difficult accomplishment |
| 15:47.56 | Dave | the kernel seems to be finicky with the input events |
| 15:48.01 | balrog-kun | Zorkman: and most don't, but still there are enough exceptions |
| 15:48.04 | Zorkman | another question: my rootfs has 17% free space. Is it recommended to have more free space? |
| 15:48.26 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: wow |
| 15:49.22 | Zorkman | AntonTakk: by rootfs i don't mean rootfs image that i flashed; indiana jones 4 and monkey ilsand 2 are included in those 83% |
| 15:49.22 | *** join/#openmoko Stroller (n=Stroller@213-152-39-89.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) |
| 15:49.41 | AntonTakk | ah |
| 15:49.57 | AntonTakk | i was gonna say ;) |
| 15:50.04 | balrog-kun | well 17% might be 100 MB or it may be 50 GB :p |
| 15:50.14 | balrog-kun | 50 GB will sure be enough :p |
| 15:50.20 | *** join/#openmoko lunartear (n=cayres@ip68-103-160-30.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 15:50.24 | AntonTakk | .... |
| 15:50.29 | Zorkman | it's the internal memory :) |
| 15:50.36 | AntonTakk | how could 17% free on the fr be 50G? |
| 15:50.41 | Zorkman | so 41MB remaining |
| 15:51.08 | balrog-kun | AntonTakk: oh, on the fr.. |
| 15:51.08 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: I wouldn't wory about it to much, but don't let it get to much fuller |
| 15:51.10 | mjr | AntonTakk, null-padded files with compression? |
| 15:51.20 | AntonTakk | mjr: those a fun |
| 15:51.50 | *** join/#openmoko zipola (n=zipola@zip.kortex.jyu.fi) |
| 15:52.13 | AntonTakk | admits to e-mailing one once, but the kid really deserved it :) |
| 15:52.54 | *** join/#openmoko Gnutoo (n=gnutoo@host205-164-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 15:52.59 | *** join/#openmoko rep (n=rep@work.etcho.de) |
| 15:53.51 | *** join/#openmoko pabs3 (n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au) |
| 15:54.34 | *** join/#openmoko marcels (n=marcel@mstoop.xs4all.nl) |
| 15:55.52 | *** join/#openmoko GoldenHawk (n=goldenha@flr3-174.corp.golden.net) |
| 15:56.34 | *** join/#openmoko tkep (n=travisk@nat/redhat/x-9519f776fed2b51f) |
| 15:57.05 | tkep | hi guys |
| 15:57.34 | Chox | quick, RH, hide. |
| 15:57.53 | Zorkman | RH? |
| 15:58.15 | tkep | :( |
| 15:58.30 | *** part/#openmoko pabs3 (n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au) |
| 15:58.56 | tkep | seriously, i'm surprised how many people in here pick on me for working there |
| 15:59.10 | Chox | you were the one that mentioned it. |
| 15:59.17 | Chox | talk about setting yourself up ;-p |
| 15:59.33 | tkep | right, but i guess as a linux user, it's awesome to work for a linux company |
| 15:59.47 | tkep | eh, whatever |
| 15:59.50 | tkep | i'm not worried |
| 15:59.55 | Chox | Well, I though so too, and almost went to Linspire, but got the better of myself. |
| 16:00.05 | Zorkman | aha, Read Hat |
| 16:00.08 | tkep | Linspire != Red Hat |
| 16:00.08 | Zorkman | *redµ |
| 16:00.11 | AntonTakk | tkep: for the record, i think it's fantastic you work at rh and have an interest in the fr |
| 16:00.17 | Chox | Linspire == Linux company, however. |
| 16:00.18 | *** join/#openmoko xmpp (n=uhsf@modemcable133.201-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 16:00.42 | Chox | but even you could argue that point. they signed the MS deal thing with Novell |
| 16:00.42 | tkep | off to lunch! |
| 16:00.50 | tkep | who, red hat? |
| 16:00.52 | tkep | no way |
| 16:00.58 | Chox | keep up |
| 16:01.00 | AntonTakk | Chox: what are you smoking? |
| 16:01.11 | *** join/#openmoko alvarezp (n=alvarezp@201.139.193.235) |
| 16:01.12 | Chox | you guys are slow. |
| 16:01.34 | AntonTakk | Chox: have proof? |
| 16:01.48 | Chox | Perhaps you could read what I did say, rather than what you thought I said. |
| 16:02.32 | AntonTakk | perhaps you could speak more clearly, does they = linspire or rh? |
| 16:03.04 | Chox | perhaps I could :o But "they" as a follow on from previous statement, should clearly be Linspire. |
| 16:03.30 | *** part/#openmoko Menschenfresser (n=rgeider@212.9.227.182.iptelecom.net.ua) |
| 16:04.05 | *** join/#openmoko Bubbi (n=bubbi@90.184.129.109) |
| 16:04.17 | AntonTakk | except there seems to be a sentance fragment inbetween the two statements, which confuses things |
| 16:04.19 | *** join/#openmoko pvborza (n=paul@groundhog.ijs.si) |
| 16:04.44 | *** join/#openmoko bumbl (n=bumbl@91-113-124-0.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 16:04.46 | Chox | The "sentence fragment" is most pertinent |
| 16:04.56 | Chox | which indeed, was the statement I was on about. |
| 16:05.01 | Chox | anyway. |
| 16:05.24 | Chox | http://www.armedslack.org/ <- this guy works at "The Hat" as he calls it. |
| 16:05.36 | AntonTakk | and your point? |
| 16:05.46 | Chox | No point, just conversation. |
| 16:06.12 | AntonTakk | ok |
| 16:06.36 | Zorkman | because i know nothing: what do people have against red hat? |
| 16:06.36 | AntonTakk | slack isn't bad, not my p[articular cup of tea, but not bad |
| 16:06.41 | Zorkman | is it because they ask money? |
| 16:06.46 | Chox | RPM. |
| 16:06.50 | AntonTakk | pfft |
| 16:06.54 | AntonTakk | rpm is fine |
| 16:07.41 | *** part/#openmoko xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-e7d5ddeff0d65748) |
| 16:07.54 | Zorkman | ah I see...my fedora9 can also use rpm... why is that bad? |
| 16:07.56 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: some people see them as "The MS of Linux" which imho is retarded, they only charge for support |
| 16:08.08 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: not can, DOES |
| 16:08.19 | mike--2 | Rigolo: flashing the kernel with the daily 7/27 build fixed the kernel update problem |
| 16:08.34 | Chox | mike--2: ooch. |
| 16:08.48 | *** join/#openmoko Gyb (n=Gyb@f053154074.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:08.49 | Zorkman | thanks for the info AntonTakk, in due time I will form an opinion of my own, right know I'm neutral because I don't know enough |
| 16:08.50 | *** join/#openmoko Robwoerle (n=bob@Ma3c7.m.pppool.de) |
| 16:09.22 | Chox | someone remind me how to roll a custom kernel in Fedora. oh, wait.. _you can't_ - unless something's drastically changed from FC6 |
| 16:09.23 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: every time you install from a repo or update fedora, it used rpm reavily |
| 16:09.26 | *** join/#openmoko Viiru (n=viiru@ryoko.zyrain.org) |
| 16:09.51 | AntonTakk | Chox: it's easy, just install the proper source backages, make config changes and rpmbuild -bb kernel.spec |
| 16:09.53 | *** join/#openmoko greentux (n=lemke@ip-217-18-181-130.static.reverse.dsi.net) |
| 16:10.02 | AntonTakk | always has been that easy |
| 16:10.16 | Chox | AntonTakk: nope, but good job missing the point ;-) |
| 16:10.24 | *** join/#openmoko Bubbi (n=bubbi@90.184.129.109) |
| 16:10.27 | Chox | I want to make a kernel from kernel.org sources |
| 16:10.37 | AntonTakk | the point was you can't make a custom kernel, how did i miss it? |
| 16:10.47 | AntonTakk | Chox: fine, download and compile them |
| 16:10.56 | AntonTakk | nothing stopping you |
| 16:10.58 | Chox | and how do I make a package from that? |
| 16:11.17 | AntonTakk | create a proper spec file |
| 16:11.24 | AntonTakk | and tell rpmbuild to use it |
| 16:11.32 | *** join/#openmoko Blastur (n=kebab@kr-lun-168-149-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 16:11.51 | Chox | why do I have to make a spec file (which incidentally are horrible to make) for something that should be standard? |
| 16:12.15 | AntonTakk | explain? |
| 16:12.27 | sitwon | Chox: how does Debian (or whatever distro you use) do it? |
| 16:12.39 | AntonTakk | you don't /NEED/ to make a spec to use a custom built kernel |
| 16:12.40 | Chox | in Debian, I use make-kpkg and it automagically builds packages for the kernel, headers and modules. |
| 16:12.55 | Chox | AntonTakk: true, but I want to make packages, for whatever reason. |
| 16:12.58 | Zorkman | are *.ipk packages then not like rpm packages? |
| 16:13.10 | trs80 | ipkg was based on dpkg |
| 16:13.11 | Chox | ipk is a great deal more like Debian packages. |
| 16:13.18 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: similar purpose, diferent implementation |
| 16:13.22 | Chox | about 95% the same |
| 16:13.38 | Bill_ | AntonTakk: ok.. i'm about to flash my fr with asu now.. 0722 is still the latest stable rootfs for ASU? |
| 16:13.45 | sitwon | Chox: so you're complaining that someone wrote a custom script to package the kernel for Debian, but on RPM-based systems there's not cure-all script to go from source to package? |
| 16:13.53 | AntonTakk | Bill_: 22 has no kb, use 21 |
| 16:13.57 | *** join/#openmoko Bubbi (n=bubbi@90.184.129.109) |
| 16:13.58 | Zorkman | so rpm gives youi less freedom, but idiots like me can work with it withouth any previous knowlegde |
| 16:14.00 | Bill_ | ok |
| 16:14.04 | Chox | sitwon: "custom" no, this an integral tool from Debian. |
| 16:14.06 | *** join/#openmoko alvarezp (n=alvarezp@201.139.193.235) |
| 16:14.16 | Chox | "cure all"? no. |
| 16:14.18 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: no, it does not give less freedom |
| 16:14.20 | Bill_ | any other differences betwees 21 and 22? |
| 16:14.35 | AntonTakk | Bill_: afaict, no |
| 16:14.45 | Chox | This is for making kernel packages. There's no such tool in Fedora. unless something change since I used it. |
| 16:14.50 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07zhone * r69e029bd85a1 10/src/zhone: Use ReadyStatus signal to trigger phonebook and messagebook retrival |
| 16:15.18 | AntonTakk | Chox: now, do the archives come from kernel.ord with a debian directory? |
| 16:15.21 | sitwon | Chox: my point is that you have a script that's sole purpose is the compile and package the kernel. The RPM way of doing it is apparently to write a spec and package is the same way you would package anything else without a kernel-specific helper script |
| 16:15.43 | Chox | sitwon: why would I write a spec file, when it would be the _same_ every time for everyone? |
| 16:15.51 | Chox | AntonTakk: nope. |
| 16:16.01 | Chox | sitwon: talk about reinventing the whell |
| 16:16.02 | Chox | wheel |
| 16:16.08 | sitwon | Chox: Why can't you use the spec file from Fedora kernel? |
| 16:16.30 | Chox | because it's hopelessly unsuitable for rolling your own. P.S. I've actually done all these things. |
| 16:16.44 | AntonTakk | Chox: so have i, it's not hard |
| 16:16.57 | Chox | it is hard. |
| 16:17.04 | AntonTakk | if you want a generic kernel, you mostly need to gut the spec a bit |
| 16:17.10 | sitwon | uses Slackware and doesn't bother with packaging the kernel |
| 16:17.16 | Chox | why am I editing specs at all? |
| 16:17.41 | *** join/#openmoko zedstar_ (n=john@82-44-200-69.cable.ubr08.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 16:17.47 | Chox | anyway. this just highlights the backwards thinking that is behind so much of my attitude towards Fedora/RH. |
| 16:17.50 | AntonTakk | Chox: cause there is no helper script to do it for you |
| 16:18.18 | AntonTakk | not having a distro-specific helper script is backwards-thinking? |
| 16:18.47 | Chox | the distro is not the point. The point is making a kernel package in whatever is the native packaging format. |
| 16:18.51 | sitwon | AntonTakk: apparently, not having a distro-supplied helper script is backward thinking |
| 16:19.11 | AntonTakk | sitwon: aparently |
| 16:19.22 | *** join/#openmoko rob__w (n=bob@Ma1ce.m.pppool.de) |
| 16:19.44 | sitwon | Slackware doesn't have a helper script either. The Slackware philosophy is that the kernel's Makefile /is/ the helper-script. |
| 16:19.46 | Chox | sitwon: correct, it's symptomatic of that. |
| 16:20.02 | AntonTakk | Chox: so what? in fedora/rh it's not quite as automated as in debian, does that mean gentoo is not only moving backwards but sideways as well? |
| 16:20.08 | Chox | Slackware is a different philiosphy. But I'm sure you could make a SW kernel package easily. |
| 16:20.23 | Chox | AntonTakk: no, it's not automated at _all_ ;-) |
| 16:20.35 | AntonTakk | Chox: I could easily make a kernel package for fedora/rh |
| 16:20.53 | Chox | As for Gentoo, I can't validly have any opinion other than "ricers". haven't used it. |
| 16:20.59 | AntonTakk | Chox: yeah, rpmbuild is just a shell script that calls meke.....pfft |
| 16:21.08 | sitwon | Chox: you could, the SlackBuilds are written in a fairly generic fashion. However, I've never bothered beause I compile the kernel specifically for the system it's being used on. |
| 16:21.12 | Chox | rpmbuild is an insane mess. |
| 16:21.33 | AntonTakk | Chox: have any valid reason for that opinion? |
| 16:21.41 | *** part/#openmoko trs80 (n=trs80@124-169-78-39.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 16:21.46 | Chox | yes, have to poke at its internals :o |
| 16:21.49 | Chox | had |
| 16:21.52 | Dave | hard |
| 16:21.59 | AntonTakk | what? |
| 16:22.14 | Chox | and it you wanted to remostrate that dpkg- is complex, you'd be correct too. |
| 16:22.16 | AntonTakk | when do you have to poke at rpmbuild's internals? |
| 16:22.27 | *** join/#openmoko blan (n=blan@dslb-088-067-081-091.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 16:22.32 | Chox | when it breaks, or the exceptionally poor documentation doesn't tell you how to do stuff. |
| 16:22.49 | Chox | which leads to my next gripe about Fedora. many of the tools _have no documentation_ |
| 16:22.55 | AntonTakk | poor documentation? there have been entire books written on rpm |
| 16:23.13 | Chox | yes, some of them are online. And guess what - they don't cover everything. |
| 16:23.26 | Chox | like basic stuff like what the various variables do. |
| 16:23.37 | AntonTakk | Chox: an old pdf online won't cover the newest stuff, read the man page |
| 16:23.46 | Chox | hah! |
| 16:23.53 | Chox | oh, you make me cry. |
| 16:25.06 | Chox | unfortunately, this was nearly 2 years ago. if you press me for details, I won't be able to remember :-| |
| 16:25.13 | AntonTakk | Chox: man page tells you how to make rpm expand the variables for you |
| 16:25.26 | Chox | man page tells you _some_ of the varibles. |
| 16:25.47 | AntonTakk | Chox: it also tells you how to make rpm tell you a variable's value |
| 16:26.28 | Chox | and how to get the man page to tell me about stuff I know is there, but isn't documented? ;-) |
| 16:26.53 | Zorkman | doesn't look like this discussion is going anywhere... |
| 16:26.54 | AntonTakk | such as? |
| 16:27.00 | Chox | see above. |
| 16:27.03 | Yashy | only sees one side of AntonTakk being trolled by the channel troll |
| 16:27.12 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 16:27.22 | Chox | yashy is crying cos I pointed out how wrong his wiki was. |
| 16:27.35 | AntonTakk | Yashy: i get anoyed by debian fanatics going off about rpm |
| 16:28.14 | Yashy | AntonTakk: The issue is your partner in the debate has no desire to learn, hence I have him on ignore :) |
| 16:28.14 | Chox | AntonTakk: yes, as I said, my memory will fail me at this point, and I'll have to give up. But IMCE, this was typical - I did stuff with the Fedora automated installer, and lots of stuff there was also not documented. |
| 16:28.58 | Chox | and FWIW, I'm happy to tell you about problems in Debian too, if you like. |
| 16:29.29 | AntonTakk | Chox: just promise not to try to compare apt to rpm |
| 16:29.51 | Chox | 'apt-get install rpm' works fine :o |
| 16:30.02 | Chox | or 'yum install apt |
| 16:30.28 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r445a01673bfd 10/framework/subsystems/ (4 files in 4 dirs): odeviced: accelerometer: bring back MockAccelerometer and use logging |
| 16:30.29 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r00dc466c9530 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/unsolicited.py: (log message trimmed) |
| 16:30.29 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: fix sending global SIM readyness status. |
| 16:30.29 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: The gory details: |
| 16:30.31 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: PHB is phonebook, SMS is messagebook. RDY is supposed to be sent, after |
| 16:30.33 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: PHB and SMS both being 1, however it's not sent on all devices. |
| 16:30.34 | *** join/#openmoko Bubbi (n=bubbi@90.184.129.109) |
| 16:30.35 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: EONS is completely undocumented. |
| 16:30.37 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: Due to RDY being unreliable, we wait for PHB and SMS sending availability |
| 16:31.35 | *** join/#openmoko abraxa_ (n=abraxa@nv-76-0-206-49.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 16:34.08 | Yashy | http://hackepedia.org/?title=Internet:Fighting |
| 16:34.14 | AntonTakk | "fix sending global SIM readyness status." i wonder if that means i'll be able to register with the network in the next milestone |
| 16:34.58 | AntonTakk | Yashy: haha, yes, old but good :) |
| 16:35.11 | Yashy | Do you have a unique SIM? I can register with my network (in Canada) |
| 16:35.47 | Yashy | Mind you I had to upgrade my SIM as another member of this channel informed me. Once I did so I was able to connect to the ROGERS network. |
| 16:36.03 | AntonTakk | Yashy: in the latest daily i tried it showed no gsm signal and i couldn't make or receive calls, works fine with 2007.2, asu, and qtopia thou |
| 16:36.09 | *** join/#openmoko alvarezp (n=alvarezp@201.139.193.235) |
| 16:36.22 | *** join/#openmoko TeringTu1y (n=maarten@195-241-125-243.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 16:36.36 | AntonTakk | well, 2007.2 is picky and phone-kit likes to become a zombie |
| 16:36.54 | Yashy | hrm I didn't use my phone yesterday, I'm doing update/upgrade now, I'll let you know if I connect when it's done :) |
| 16:37.03 | AntonTakk | but it's clearly not a firmware compatability issue if it works in 3 of 4 implementations :) |
| 16:37.12 | *** join/#openmoko tedo (n=cta@HSI-KBW-091-089-243-140.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 16:37.29 | AntonTakk | s/implementations/software stacks/ |
| 16:37.37 | *** join/#openmoko jopk (n=chatzill@p5B162465.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:38.33 | AntonTakk | i'd switch to fso in a heart beat if I could use it reliably as a phone/contact list |
| 16:39.13 | *** join/#openmoko daMaestro (n=jon@fedora/damaestro) |
| 16:39.59 | AntonTakk | also need to see about a silicone backed screen protector |
| 16:40.23 | AntonTakk | these cheapos I got a best buy are ok, kinda |
| 16:41.07 | *** join/#openmoko christooss (n=matic@BSN-95-213-154.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 16:42.32 | leinir | i'm waiting on my InvisibleShield, got shipping confirmation yesterday :) |
| 16:44.25 | *** join/#openmoko jeffrin_ (n=jeffrin@202.83.43.71) |
| 16:45.40 | *** join/#openmoko CVirus (n=Satan@41.232.219.233) |
| 16:47.47 | AntonTakk | leinir: i'd be interested to know the install proceedure and details on that |
| 16:48.10 | leinir | It comes with quite good instructions (and there's videos on the website) :) |
| 16:48.24 | AntonTakk | freerunner videos on the website now? |
| 16:52.33 | leinir | Well, just look at one of the videos of how to install it on anything with a recessed screen :) |
| 16:52.51 | SpeedEvil | It's really easy to remove the case. |
| 16:53.33 | *** join/#openmoko gnutoo_ (n=gnutoo@host253-186-dynamic.37-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 16:53.40 | *** join/#openmoko alex-weej (n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust710.midd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 16:56.21 | leinir | SpeedEvil: Do you actually remove the case to install the invisibleshield screen-only thing? |
| 16:56.30 | SpeedEvil | leinir: I don't know. |
| 16:56.37 | leinir | i was under the impression that it was precision-cut to fit exactly inside the hole :) |
| 16:56.44 | SpeedEvil | leinir: it's very easy to install a larger than the screen protector under the case. |
| 16:56.45 | leinir | Right :) |
| 16:56.55 | leinir | *nods* Yeah :) |
| 16:56.56 | AntonTakk | SpeedEvil: yeah, i couldn't find my guitar pick thou, precision screw driver left indentations in the plastic :-\ |
| 16:56.57 | SpeedEvil | Which gives absolutely complete protection, and no edges visible. |
| 16:57.10 | SpeedEvil | You don't use a precision screwdriver. |
| 16:57.22 | Bill_ | hmh.. have to order mine i guess |
| 16:57.24 | SpeedEvil | First you remove the back and screws (and battery of course). |
| 16:57.33 | Bill_ | anyone of you already using it? |
| 16:57.44 | mjr | the is protector apparently is installed without opening, and is very slightly smaller than screen |
| 16:57.48 | mjr | but I don't have one (yet) |
| 16:57.54 | AntonTakk | SpeedEvil: yeah, then you need something to pry the front case clips apart with |
| 16:57.56 | mjr | is = invisibleshield |
| 16:57.57 | SpeedEvil | Then you twist the case slightly, and run your fingernail along the case edge till it pops in. |
| 16:58.06 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 16:58.15 | SpeedEvil | Then simply run the edge round, and it pops all the latches out easily. |
| 16:58.16 | AntonTakk | i hadn't heard of twisting it slightly |
| 16:58.38 | SpeedEvil | It puts the latches under stress, and makes the case want to pop out |
| 16:58.42 | Bill_ | twisting electronics isn't usually a good idea |
| 16:58.44 | Rigolo | can see screens breaking now .... ooo twisted to hard :-) |
| 16:58.58 | SpeedEvil | _slightly_ |
| 16:59.07 | SpeedEvil | not enough to actually move the case appreciably |
| 16:59.23 | Rigolo | well .. slightly can mean anything ... :-) |
| 16:59.24 | SpeedEvil | Say 1Kg force. |
| 16:59.26 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r2521c210a274 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: ogpsd: Disable NMEA sentences when starting and enable them again on shutdown |
| 16:59.42 | *** join/#openmoko MHazem (n=Satan@41.232.219.233) |
| 16:59.46 | SpeedEvil | 10N force |
| 16:59.54 | Bill_ | yeah.. "twisted it a bit with two wrenches and now my FR's screen is all distorted.. is it covered by warranty?" |
| 17:00.03 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 17:00.20 | Rigolo | SpeedEvil: okee ... so I need to clamp it in to my work bench, and then put a 1kg wait on one end? :-) |
| 17:00.39 | Rigolo | wait .. = weight ... |
| 17:00.50 | *** join/#openmoko MarcOChapeau (n=MarcOCha@bgn92-4-82-238-213-101.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 17:00.53 | SpeedEvil | Apply 10n at the four case corners, so that the forces cause a twisting moment. |
| 17:01.09 | SpeedEvil | normal to the fascia of the phone. |
| 17:01.31 | Rigolo | SpeedEvil: well .. than you need to apply it only to 3 or 2 corners ... not 4 .. then it is equel and you push it downwards :-) |
| 17:02.56 | AntonTakk | i'm not to worried, i'll probably buy a gta03 when it comes out |
| 17:03.12 | SpeedEvil | You cannot apply a torque to the case unrestrained with only 2 forces. |
| 17:03.12 | Rigolo | 2009 I heard :-) |
| 17:03.31 | AntonTakk | then some family member or other wil want my old phone |
| 17:03.43 | AntonTakk | Rigolo: 2009 is just around the corner ;) |
| 17:03.44 | mjr | (..."cannot apply a tongue") |
| 17:03.45 | Rigolo | who said anything about unrestrained .... it was in my workbench :-) |
| 17:03.48 | *** join/#openmoko icman (n=icman@123-240-173-183.cctv.dynamic.lsc.net.tw) |
| 17:03.48 | mjr | "yeah, okay" |
| 17:03.55 | mjr | "just watch me" |
| 17:04.02 | Bubbi | I've just setup a timeserver for my neo, using this guide: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Setting_Date_and_Time |
| 17:04.12 | Bubbi | But how do I choose which timezone to take from.. |
| 17:04.45 | Bubbi | Currently, it is 2 hours behind my time (central european time) |
| 17:05.05 | AntonTakk | Bubbi: getting started explains how to set tz, or at least links to it, thou i'd recommend a full reboot after setting it, not just restarting x |
| 17:05.09 | Rigolo | Bubbi: ntp server your mean? |
| 17:05.21 | Bubbi | Rigolo: yes :) |
| 17:05.44 | Weiss | bumbl: thanks for the pointer (to git, a while ago) - i think i understand how it works now (i didn't understand the OE is just a whole load of metadata, and gets the real source from elsewhere) |
| 17:05.55 | Rakshasa | np. KMFDM - Unrestrained use of excessive force |
| 17:05.59 | Rigolo | Bubbi: pick anyone you want ... they "transmit" time in UTC .. your TZ settings convert that |
| 17:06.02 | Bubbi | AntonTakk: ah okay.. :) |
| 17:06.28 | Bill_ | umm.. ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/CET /etc/localtime |
| 17:06.36 | Bubbi | so it actually needs an extra package to do that..? |
| 17:06.47 | Bill_ | tzdata-europe |
| 17:06.58 | Bill_ | is the package you need.. with european tz files |
| 17:07.01 | *** join/#openmoko Wiedi (n=wiedi@2a01:30:90ae:6:217:f2ff:fe51:7099) |
| 17:07.01 | Rigolo | Bubbi: only a few bytes |
| 17:07.14 | AntonTakk | Bubbi: if the /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/CET file doesn't already exist, yes |
| 17:07.51 | *** join/#openmoko greentux (n=lemke@Z78d7.z.pppool.de) |
| 17:08.52 | Bubbi | I believe that it already exist.. but there's nothing at /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/CET.. But there is a /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Paris/ |
| 17:08.56 | Bubbi | which uses the same time |
| 17:09.10 | Rigolo | Bubbi: well .. then you can link to that one |
| 17:09.11 | *** join/#openmoko icman (n=icman@123-240-173-183.cctv.dynamic.lsc.net.tw) |
| 17:09.11 | Bill_ | you can link also the correct city |
| 17:09.16 | Bill_ | no difference |
| 17:09.22 | Rigolo | if it is there ... :-) |
| 17:09.24 | davi | I would like to get a 1024x600 touchscreen display in my openmoko. |
| 17:09.25 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.35 | *** join/#openmoko ushelpers (n=ushelper@206.74.211.227) |
| 17:09.38 | Bill_ | i'm using /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Tallinn here |
| 17:10.03 | *** join/#openmoko bricode (n=bricode@S0106000f3d96c733.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 17:10.04 | Bubbi | thanks for all of your help :) It's all appreciated |
| 17:10.12 | Rigolo | davi: the Q1 is also a target for ubuntu mobile |
| 17:10.49 | ushelpers | what is the largest capacity for a micro SD card i can use in a Freerunner |
| 17:11.33 | swc|666 | 1.21 tb |
| 17:11.34 | davi | Rigolo, Let me google for "ubuntu mobile". However note I am not a fun of Ubuntu. |
| 17:11.35 | Rigolo | 4Gb I think is the largest microSD you can get |
| 17:11.48 | Rigolo | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded |
| 17:11.55 | SpeedEvil | Rigolo: nmpe |
| 17:12.03 | SpeedEvil | Rigolo: 8G is widely available. |
| 17:12.03 | ushelpers | will an SDHC card work though? |
| 17:12.22 | marcinsoo | so , Neo is not compatible with SDHC ? |
| 17:12.22 | ushelpers | i think anything over 2GB is SD HC |
| 17:12.28 | *** join/#openmoko jeffrin_ (n=jeffrin@202.83.43.71) |
| 17:12.29 | SpeedEvil | marcinsoo: it is |
| 17:12.45 | *** join/#openmoko vaiursch (n=erwin@84-75-28-58.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 17:13.00 | Rigolo | SpeedEvil: hee 8Gb ... and not even that expensive :-0 |
| 17:13.05 | *** join/#openmoko Ryushin (i=proxy@windwalker.openinnovations.com) |
| 17:13.12 | Bill_ | AntonTakk: any hints now.. i've got ASU runnung |
| 17:13.25 | AntonTakk | Bill_: hints as to? |
| 17:13.35 | Rigolo | Bill_: be carefull with upgrades :-) |
| 17:13.38 | ushelpers | yeah, was gunna buy an 8GB and they are not that bad in price, so even if it doesnt work i think i'll be ok |
| 17:13.50 | ronny | ushelpers: 8gb cards work over here |
| 17:14.05 | AntonTakk | Bill_: most of the back end getting started stuff applies, time/date/networking, etc |
| 17:14.08 | ushelpers | sweet, guess no problem then |
| 17:14.09 | *** join/#openmoko Kt_ (n=Kirsat@pool-72-91-10-162.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) |
| 17:14.23 | Rigolo | does it matter in speed if you get a 4x or a 6x class card? or is the sd resder in the FR already a limiting factor? |
| 17:14.45 | Rigolo | resder = reader |
| 17:14.48 | AntonTakk | Bill_: but i also like to install some of the other qtopia apps, opkg list | grep qtopia-phone-x11- will show them |
| 17:15.07 | SpeedEvil | Rigolo: I cannot comment on the FR - the neo manages 3 megabytes/second on a card which does 12M/s on my PC |
| 17:15.11 | Bill_ | okay, thanks.. will look into all of it |
| 17:15.17 | Bubbi | Rigolo: for what i've read, the card reader on the neo is fast enough for both a 4x and 6x |
| 17:15.20 | davi | Rigolo, I would like OpenMoko be my mobile PC |
| 17:15.28 | AntonTakk | Bill_: if you want appls like tangogps you'll need to install the gtk engine, theme, and setup a proper .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 17:15.51 | Bill_ | okay i think i saw some references to it in wiki |
| 17:15.54 | Bill_ | so i'll find it |
| 17:15.59 | ronny | hmm, isnt it kinda bad that the sdcard is not hot-swappable? |
| 17:15.59 | davi | Rigolo, I do not like the Canonical company, I prefer a community based one as Openmoko |
| 17:16.23 | davi | Canonical is just a Debian parasite |
| 17:16.23 | Rigolo | davi: well ... for ubuntu then ... nothing is stopping you from doing that :-) |
| 17:16.45 | *** join/#openmoko icman (n=icman@123-240-173-183.cctv.dynamic.lsc.net.tw) |
| 17:16.46 | ronny | Rigolo: do the latest dev upgrades work again? |
| 17:17.09 | Rigolo | ronny: no idea ... I stay way from them for the moment :-) |
| 17:17.30 | ronny | any idea who might know? |
| 17:17.39 | AntonTakk | Bill_: for the .gtkrc-2.0, go to the Getting_Started_FAQ page, but i'd recommend making those changed to a file stored in /home/root (don't symlink the gtkrc from the moko theme: include "..." it, then add the font line below the include statement, that way, if you ever update the moko gtk theme, you don't lose your font |
| 17:17.59 | Bill_ | ok.. thanks for the hint |
| 17:18.21 | Bill_ | off to config now :) |
| 17:18.26 | AntonTakk | have fun :) |
| 17:18.39 | Bill_ | oh i will |
| 17:18.45 | Rigolo | is going to cook dinner .... 4 other people are waiting for it ... |
| 17:19.02 | Bill_ | have my bottle of cptn Morgan to accompany me :) |
| 17:19.06 | AntonTakk | Rigolo: bah! forget them! you have a fr to play with ;) |
| 17:19.06 | Bill_ | and enough coke |
| 17:19.20 | Bill_ | so cheers all you mokoholics :) |
| 17:19.41 | Rigolo | AntonTakk: well ... my girlfriend is one of those 4 ... |
| 17:21.12 | Bill_ | btw.. the opkg feeds.. those included are OK? or should i include something else? scaredycat doesn't do ASU yet but he does keep gtk part up to date |
| 17:22.35 | Chox | moo |
| 17:23.45 | Chox | oh, where was I? Oh yes, bashing Fedora, and offering to bash Debian :o |
| 17:24.30 | *** join/#openmoko nomeata (i=nobody@nomeata.de) |
| 17:25.28 | *** join/#openmoko Sargun (n=Sargun@atarack/staff/sargun) |
| 17:25.39 | *** part/#openmoko loonyxp (n=loonyxp@Ld7a5.l.pppool.de) |
| 17:26.01 | Bill_ | Chox: lol.. yeah.. distrowars ftw |
| 17:26.32 | *** join/#openmoko jfrousval (n=jfrousva@ARouen-152-1-15-3.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:26.52 | Chox | I just want to make it clear that I'll defend accuracy, but I'm not anybody's fanboi :o |
| 17:27.12 | *** join/#openmoko behdad (n=behdad@216.18.1.210) |
| 17:27.23 | sitwon | Chox, bashing Linux distros is so passe. everyone bashes Linux. How about you bash OpenBSD for us. that'll be fun and informative |
| 17:27.46 | Chox | no, OpenBSD gave me free beer at one Linux show. |
| 17:28.07 | sitwon | Ok... what about FreeBSD, those guys must be a bunch of posers, rite? |
| 17:28.25 | Chox | It's possible. I don't know enough to rant. |
| 17:28.29 | Bill_ | netbsd? |
| 17:28.34 | sitwon | OpenSolaris? |
| 17:28.34 | Bill_ | opensolaris? |
| 17:28.38 | sitwon | lol |
| 17:28.48 | Chox | heh, yes. NetBSD is ok. Well, used to be - there was a time it ran on more stuff than Linux |
| 17:28.51 | Bill_ | altho i kinda like solaris in servers |
| 17:29.00 | Chox | I haven't used it in year |
| 17:29.00 | Rakshasa | What with all the bashing, why don't we all revert back to flipping bits by hands, 'cause all os's are bullshit. |
| 17:29.13 | sitwon | I kinda hate Solaris on this Blade 1000 under my desk... |
| 17:29.29 | Chox | hasn't used Solaris, but used in SunOS back in the day. That and NetBSD were my first exposure to unix. |
| 17:29.55 | *** join/#openmoko Centaur5 (n=fishman@209-33-197-88.dsl.infowest.net) |
| 17:30.00 | sitwon | Rakshasa: amen! |
| 17:30.21 | *** join/#openmoko a_thing_ (n=notroot@libervis/athing) |
| 17:31.14 | sitwon | Remeber the good old days when we had dip switches and vacuum tubes and intead of monitors we read binary lit up on ping-pong balls? |
| 17:31.21 | ieatlint | i have long prophesied the return of vacuum tubes |
| 17:31.27 | Chox | please wiggle these dip switches to make a phone call. |
| 17:31.42 | Chox | linters: but they never went away in amplifiers. |
| 17:31.56 | *** join/#openmoko dougt (n=dougt@216.18.1.210) |
| 17:31.56 | ieatlint | true |
| 17:32.08 | *** join/#openmoko MHazem (n=Satan@41.232.219.233) |
| 17:32.11 | ieatlint | how about punch cards |
| 17:32.13 | sitwon | I read they made a transistor out of paper.... |
| 17:32.28 | ieatlint | and real floppy disks that are actually floppy |
| 17:32.32 | Bill_ | yeah. and when bugs were real bugs in the electric circutry :) |
| 17:33.01 | mjr | ahh, when men were men and bugs were little critters |
| 17:33.21 | ieatlint | hmmm, i think i prefer today though... now we have much better access to porn |
| 17:33.24 | sitwon | punch cards?!? that's too error-prone. we need to punch everything in by hand directly into the machine |
| 17:33.34 | tkep | damn, i just caught the fedora/RHEL bashing |
| 17:33.38 | Rakshasa | And instead of valgrind you used a mallet to hunt bugs... |
| 17:33.46 | ieatlint | sitwon: hanging chads? |
| 17:33.51 | Chox | sigh. |
| 17:33.52 | tkep | seriously, what a great "community" we are in the linux world |
| 17:34.27 | sitwon | ieatlint: I didn't hang Chad, but I would have for all the trouble he caused us in 2000 |
| 17:34.27 | tkep | i use debian, fedora, rhel, ubuntu and om2007.2 now. they all have their pluses and minuses |
| 17:34.49 | sitwon | tkep: mostly minuses |
| 17:34.54 | tkep | which? |
| 17:34.58 | Chox | I don't; I don't need to keep track of moose in all of them - brain overload :-( |
| 17:34.59 | Rakshasa | Nah, We're just a few bunches of patriotic fanatics swearing allegiance to the distribution of choice. |
| 17:35.03 | ieatlint | tkep: that statement suddenly gives me the urge to compile 2007.2 on x86 and try to run it on a computer |
| 17:35.07 | sitwon | tkep: all of them, jump on our bandwaggon |
| 17:35.10 | Chox | Rakshasa: swearing _at_ :p |
| 17:35.21 | *** join/#openmoko neldoreth (n=ascot@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 17:35.39 | tkep | :) |
| 17:35.53 | tkep | right now, on my desk at red hat, i am running 4 different linuxes |
| 17:36.02 | tkep | more if you include the different versions of rhel |
| 17:36.09 | Chox | somehow, I find it hard to thing that that's productive |
| 17:36.11 | *** part/#openmoko akriegisch (n=adi@stargate.vrvis.at) |
| 17:36.13 | Chox | think |
| 17:36.38 | tkep | and even internally at red hat, i don't get half the shit you guys give me for running rhel/fedora for running ubuntu in plain sight |
| 17:36.45 | tkep | Chox, i work support |
| 17:36.50 | tkep | i need them all :) |
| 17:36.50 | ieatlint | i stick to 1 distro on all my computers, only venturing from it on embedded devices |
| 17:36.50 | Chox | :o |
| 17:37.02 | Chox | highfives linty |
| 17:37.09 | Chox | sadly, the computer next to me is Vista |
| 17:37.25 | tkep | someone calls up "Hi, i can't get openldap to run on my rhel 4 box with client connections from debian....haaaalp!" |
| 17:37.38 | Chox | ah, support. Ghetto ;-) |
| 17:37.45 | ieatlint | oh god... openldap is a nightmare :P |
| 17:37.47 | tkep | so i fire up my debian box, or my rhel 4 virtual...etc |
| 17:37.52 | tkep | yes, yes openldap is |
| 17:37.56 | sitwon | Right now on my desk I'm running Solaris on a Sparc, Solaris on x86, OS X on PPC, Ubuntu x86, Ubuntu x86_64, Windows XP, Windows XP-64, Windows Vista x64, and Slackware. (And somewhere in the office we have Windows 2000, Windows 2k3, Windows 98, Gentoo, CentOS, and Fedora) |
| 17:37.59 | sitwon | I hate them all |
| 17:38.18 | tkep | good going sitwon |
| 17:38.20 | ieatlint | hah |
| 17:38.37 | Chox | very egalitarian |
| 17:38.53 | ieatlint | i run gentoo on 5 computers, and then i've a linux based NAS, a linux based media player and my FR |
| 17:38.56 | sitwon | I'm an equal-opportunity discriminator. |
| 17:39.03 | tkep | rhel 2.1 thru 5.2, fedora 8&9, ubuntu 8.04, debian 4 |
| 17:39.06 | tkep | that's about it |
| 17:39.19 | tkep | on, and om2007.2 since my fr is on my desk :) |
| 17:39.23 | *** join/#openmoko ccube (n=ccube@ssh.ccube.de) |
| 17:39.31 | Bubbi | I've tried to go through the guide to manually use bluetooth, but when i've activated bluetooth from the interface and from terminal run "hcitool scan" it comes with this message: Device is not available: No such device |
| 17:39.42 | mike--2 | heh, for a little bit I had grub on my laptop boot to Gentoo, WinXP pro, and OSX86 :) |
| 17:39.43 | Bubbi | Does anybody know why and how I can make it work..? |
| 17:39.48 | sitwon | I guess I have om2007.2 on my desk too, then |
| 17:39.50 | Chox | home desktop = Debian, home laptop = Debian, DVR = Debian. router = Debian. Freerunner = Debian. Other home desktop, er, RISC OS. |
| 17:40.00 | tkep | mike--2, im considering that |
| 17:40.00 | sitwon | I don't hate om2007.2 as much |
| 17:40.02 | tkep | minux windows |
| 17:40.09 | tkep | minus even |
| 17:40.12 | mike--2 | heh, the OSX was just to say I could |
| 17:40.28 | tkep | ok, back to work. i got some questions for you weiners in a bit :) |
| 17:40.33 | mike--2 | and Windows made some things for work easier |
| 17:40.34 | ieatlint | Bubbi: try "hciconfig hci0" |
| 17:40.35 | tkep | go red hat! |
| 17:40.58 | ieatlint | Bubbi: if that still says no device, then the kernel modules for the bluetooth device aren't loaded |
| 17:41.05 | *** join/#openmoko wolog_ (n=wolog@195.6.104.193) |
| 17:41.22 | *** join/#openmoko balajirrao (n=balaji@59.92.247.201) |
| 17:41.27 | Bubbi | ieatlint: It says the same |
| 17:41.28 | sitwon | Hmm.. I don't have Minix3 yet |
| 17:41.43 | sitwon | prays that some customer doesn't request support for Minix |
| 17:41.51 | ieatlint | go red hat, indeed! http://www.redhatsociety.com/ |
| 17:42.14 | Bubbi | hahaha |
| 17:42.17 | Rakshasa | Hmm. Anyone tried lfs on neo yet =P |
| 17:42.31 | Rakshasa | linux from scratch |
| 17:42.39 | Chox | ew |
| 17:42.53 | sitwon | Rakshasa: what's the point? |
| 17:43.02 | Bubbi | ieatlint: Do you know how to activate the kernel modules..? |
| 17:43.06 | Chox | isn't building OpenMoko a type of LFS :p |
| 17:43.16 | sitwon | Slackware = LFS - bullshit; |
| 17:43.20 | balajirrao | can I redirect kernel bootlogs to the USB wire somwhow even if I dont have a debug board ? :) |
| 17:43.27 | ieatlint | Bubbi: wait, perhaps you just need to turn it on |
| 17:43.46 | ieatlint | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Power_it_up |
| 17:43.51 | Rakshasa | sitwon, Should there be a point? |
| 17:44.00 | Rakshasa | Just for the fun of it. |
| 17:44.06 | Chox | balajirrao: in priciple, yes. you'll need to pass correct magic for kernel parameters |
| 17:44.07 | ieatlint | use the command line, and you should be on 2.6.24 |
| 17:44.12 | Bubbi | ieatlint: Funny that you should say it.. it tells me that it is online, when i click the little bluetooth icon and choose "bluetooth status" |
| 17:44.48 | ieatlint | Bubbi: perhaps you need to run the reset command... trusting the gui to do just about anything right now is haphazard |
| 17:44.48 | sitwon | Rakshasa: If you take care of your knife, your knife will take care of you. Dull blades cause more injuries than sharp ones. |
| 17:45.02 | balajirrao | Chox: oh, how ? But wont the cdc_acm interface become cdc_ether once the kernel is loaded ? Or am I missing something ? |
| 17:45.12 | sitwon | A little Boy Scout wisdom. Points are good. Sharp points are better. |
| 17:45.13 | Bubbi | ieatlint: :P yeah, i've noticed.. heh.. how do I do that then..? |
| 17:45.23 | ieatlint | sitwon: keep making weird proverbs and i'll use my knife to take care of you ;) |
| 17:45.42 | ieatlint | Bubbi: the wiki tells you, as linked |
| 17:46.05 | *** join/#openmoko erwin_ (n=erwin@84-75-28-58.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 17:46.40 | balajirrao | Chox: I'm asking because I intend to do kernel development and debugging on my FR and thiking if a debug board is indispensible ? |
| 17:46.59 | Bubbi | yeah, i've tried the "echo 1 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on" and "echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset", but it doesn't seem to do anything.. If i write "hciconfig hci0" afterwards, I still get the same message |
| 17:47.44 | Chox | balajirrao: I'd have to poke more at u-boot to give you an exact answer, but I don't think a debug board is essential |
| 17:48.20 | ieatlint | Bubbi: what image are you using? |
| 17:48.22 | Rakshasa | sitwon, Would that be bsa, or some other boy scouts? |
| 17:48.43 | Bubbi | 2007.02 |
| 17:48.44 | sitwon | Rakshasa: BSA |
| 17:48.52 | *** join/#openmoko ccube (n=ccube@ssh.ccube.de) |
| 17:49.26 | balajirrao | Chox: oh, ok. I got into the uboot console through usb. I'll poke around more.. |
| 17:49.41 | ieatlint | Bubbi: would that be the stock one the phone came with, or one of the nightly builds? |
| 17:50.00 | Rakshasa | sitwon, Thanks for sharing the wisdom of an organization with credibility (Penn&Teller:Bullshit bsa episode was just aired here yesterday) XD |
| 17:50.02 | Bubbi | ieatlint: It's one of the nightly builds... So it could be that it was broken of course |
| 17:50.46 | Bubbi | I've flashed u-boot a couple a days ago and did a opkg upgrade, so I think that i'm using the latest software so far (of course i'm not entirely sure..) :) |
| 17:50.48 | ieatlint | Bubbi: try "modprobe hci_usb" |
| 17:50.51 | *** join/#openmoko MHazem (n=Satan@41.232.219.233) |
| 17:51.21 | *** join/#openmoko zefanja_ (n=zefanja@drsd-4dbcaf65.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 17:51.24 | sitwon | Rakshasa: It's not "officialy" BSA... I actually just made all that up. The BSA is deprecated religious organization. |
| 17:51.44 | Bubbi | ieatlint: Didn't tell me anything... just ran.. |
| 17:51.59 | ieatlint | Bubbi: try "hciconfig hci0" again |
| 17:53.06 | Bubbi | ieatlint: Should it have printed something on the screen..? I've now tried the hciconfig hci0 again, and still with a "Can't get device info: No such device" |
| 17:53.46 | ieatlint | no, it only prints if error |
| 17:54.15 | Bubbi | okay.. |
| 17:55.08 | *** join/#openmoko gargoyle_grin (n=randerso@12-217-56-11.client.mchsi.com) |
| 17:55.14 | Bubbi | well.. It's not that important right now.. I'm just trying some things out ATM.. Maybe it would be working again later |
| 17:56.29 | *** join/#openmoko wipf (n=wipf@dslb-084-056-213-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:56.39 | ieatlint | yeah, something is odd, i've the same |
| 17:56.50 | ieatlint | dmesg shows the bluetooth adapter properly, but doesn't assign it an interface |
| 17:57.30 | Bubbi | okay, so it's not just me..? :) |
| 17:57.50 | ieatlint | no, working now |
| 17:58.15 | ieatlint | just needed to run the two echo commands to turn it on and reset it |
| 17:58.18 | *** join/#openmoko pvborza (n=paul@groundhog.ijs.si) |
| 17:58.30 | Bubbi | ieatlint: dammit.. :) Was hoping it wasn't just me.. :D Well.. i've just rebooted the neo, to try that out.. |
| 17:58.43 | *** join/#openmoko almien (n=OJW@87-194-198-122.bethere.co.uk) |
| 17:58.46 | Bubbi | ieatlint: I did the two echo commands, but still didn't work |
| 17:59.04 | Bubbi | I'll try it again.. I might have done something wrong.. |
| 17:59.14 | ieatlint | i would recommend a kernel upgrade then |
| 17:59.33 | Bubbi | ieatlint: In which way..? opkg upgrade...? |
| 17:59.37 | ieatlint | ok, i gtg... cya |
| 17:59.47 | Bubbi | thanks for your help :) |
| 17:59.51 | ieatlint | opkg upgrade or reflash the kernel uimage |
| 18:00.00 | Bubbi | thanks.. and get going now.. ;) |
| 18:01.52 | Bubbi | ieatlint: Well.. after a reboot, it works now.. weird stuff.. :) |
| 18:01.58 | *** join/#openmoko anno^da (n=anno^da@p5B07CE25.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:02.19 | *** join/#openmoko XVirus (n=Satan@41.232.219.233) |
| 18:03.04 | Bill_ | oh christ how slow ASU is compared to latest 2007.2.. |
| 18:03.17 | Bill_ | and it's quite uncompareable with qtopia |
| 18:03.55 | Bubbi | Hah.. I like that the Neo shows up as a "computer" when scanning for Bluetooth devices.. I would have thought that it would be registered as a "phone" as any other phone does.. :D |
| 18:03.55 | railer | anyone know where wallpaper.png is called from? |
| 18:04.16 | TAsn | man im going mad, i need a moko. |
| 18:04.18 | *** join/#openmoko cnwdup_ (n=harlekin@hnvr-4dbd45e7.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 18:04.38 | Bubbi | railer: not me, sorry.. |
| 18:04.42 | TAsn | will pay for inside info about the reselling time of the moko in the shop. ;0 |
| 18:04.43 | *** join/#openmoko andlo1 (n=andlo@x1-6-00-16-d3-2f-5f-f2.k954.webspeed.dk) |
| 18:05.10 | railer | thanks anyway |
| 18:05.11 | Bubbi | TAsn: Ow, you haven't got one yet..? :) |
| 18:05.21 | TAsn | Bubbi, not funny :( |
| 18:05.37 | TAsn | even a friend i conviced to buy got his before me ;( |
| 18:05.38 | railer | And you still call yourself a nerd! tsk tsk tsk |
| 18:06.00 | TAsn | railer, lately i started questioning my identity :0 |
| 18:06.06 | Bubbi | railer: I've found something for you.. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2 |
| 18:06.12 | Bubbi | haha.. |
| 18:06.31 | Bill_ | btw.. do i have to generate .desktop files myself for gtk apps into illume=? |
| 18:06.34 | Bubbi | I too did.. but then I got the neo.. Now I know who I am.. ;) |
| 18:06.52 | Bill_ | Bubbi: i genuine geek? |
| 18:06.52 | *** join/#openmoko chefo (n=chef@ip-77-24-70-7.web.vodafone.de) |
| 18:06.54 | Bill_ | a |
| 18:07.02 | railer | ya I'll read that page again might have missed something |
| 18:07.06 | TAsn | Bubbi, i envy you. |
| 18:07.16 | TAsn | nerds are smacking me in the streets |
| 18:07.25 | TAsn | i started to develop muscles |
| 18:07.30 | chefo | hi, i've got a problem with the motion sensors with the freerunner. one does not seem to deliver any data. any ideas? |
| 18:07.34 | TAsn | i really do not what's happening to my body ;( |
| 18:07.36 | Bubbi | Bill_: Nope.. not really.. I've still haven't figured out how to play ping pong on the neo.. so, I wouldn't consider myself a geek yet. :) |
| 18:08.06 | TAsn | chefo, as i just said, i aint got one :(((( |
| 18:08.11 | Bill_ | yeah.. a friend of mine (also a geek) already mocked me that i finally bought a wiimote with a screen |
| 18:08.19 | TAsn | hehe ;) |
| 18:08.27 | Chox | wiinie |
| 18:08.28 | chefo | sry, i joined too late, i guess |
| 18:08.38 | Bubbi | TAsn: heh.. well, I hope that they will soon start delivery of more freerunners.. |
| 18:08.51 | chefo | anyway, s/b got any idea? |
| 18:09.01 | TAsn | Bubbi, i hope you are right. |
| 18:09.34 | Bubbi | chefo: Nope, sorry.. i haven't even got so far as to the accelerometers.. :D |
| 18:09.35 | TAsn | well im off to take a shower, please pray for me :) |
| 18:10.39 | *** join/#openmoko andlo (n=andlo@x1-6-00-16-d3-2f-5f-f2.k954.webspeed.dk) |
| 18:11.36 | *** join/#openmoko a_thing_ (n=notroot@c-98-193-50-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 18:13.10 | *** join/#openmoko LionKMP (n=lion@catv-5985b8e7.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 18:17.18 | *** join/#openmoko Deubeuliou (n=david@AFontenayssB-151-1-53-15.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:18.09 | *** join/#openmoko lymeca (n=lymeca@unaffiliated/lymeca) |
| 18:18.11 | Bubbi | If I want to create a script on the neo, how and where should I do this..? |
| 18:18.27 | LionKMP | me too, the wifi config file. |
| 18:18.40 | LionKMP | let me check if this is in getting started faq :) |
| 18:18.41 | Bubbi | I'm trying to do as is described here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bt-net-script But i'm not at all experienced with scripts.. :) |
| 18:19.28 | *** join/#openmoko troy|work (n=troy@142.166.111.200) |
| 18:20.19 | mike--2 | If anyone is interested in putting a screen protector on their FreeRunner/Neo, I'd recommend getting a Nintendo DS set off of ebay |
| 18:20.22 | LionKMP | hm, long one. do you wanna type that in directly on neo? go in via USB and type it :) |
| 18:20.26 | mike--2 | the one I got is made by Hori, and it's amazing |
| 18:21.47 | Bubbi | LionKMP: I'm already connected to the freerunner by USB, but I would like to get Bluetooth working.. not that I have anything to use it for at the moment |
| 18:22.15 | *** join/#openmoko MHazem (n=Satan@41.232.219.233) |
| 18:23.44 | Bubbi | Nobody know how to use scripts..? It seems to be quite a great deal of Linux.. I'm just quite new to Linux myself.. so I haven't had the joy of trying it yet.. :) |
| 18:24.27 | Bill_ | scripts? depends on what do you want to script? |
| 18:24.45 | Bill_ | you can use either simple bash scripts or you can whip up a whole app in python |
| 18:25.35 | LionKMP | Bubbi, what's your problem? ssh into the Neo from PC, start "vi", press "i" to go to insert mode, paste the script itself, then type ":w bt-net" to save that script. |
| 18:25.48 | *** join/#openmoko Deubeuliou (n=david@AFontenayssB-151-1-53-15.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:25.55 | LionKMP | then type ":q" to quit the "vi" editor, and type "sh bt-net" to start this script. |
| 18:25.59 | Bubbi | Bill_: Well.. It's the script that's on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bt-net-script |
| 18:26.04 | kd8ikt | installed nano |
| 18:26.13 | Bubbi | LionKMP: That's how...? :) |
| 18:26.26 | Bubbi | what does the sh stand for in "sh bt-net" ? |
| 18:26.34 | kd8ikt | /bin/sh |
| 18:26.40 | kd8ikt | shellc_2.6.1.bb do_package failed |
| 18:26.40 | kd8ikt | ERROR: Task 200 (/home/kd8ikt/devel/mokoMadness/sources/mokomake/FSO/openembedded/packages/glibc/glibc_2.6.1.bb, do_package) failed |
| 18:26.43 | kd8ikt | NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 588 tasks of which 0 didn't need to be rerun and 1 failed. |
| 18:26.55 | Bill_ | Bubbi: scp downloaded_script 192.168.0.201: , log into fr and sh ./downloaded_script :) |
| 18:27.08 | Bill_ | sh - as in shell |
| 18:27.28 | LionKMP | Bubbi: that just starts the bt-net script. if you don't type "sh" you need to "chmod 755 bt-net" to make it runnable and then "./bt-net" to start it. Easier with "sh bt-net" :) |
| 18:27.30 | Bubbi | Oh.. it's that easy..? :) |
| 18:27.32 | Bill_ | so it will be executed in shell even it it doesnt have execute flag on it |
| 18:27.52 | *** join/#openmoko DaveLab (n=dave@pool-141-153-244-67.mad.east.verizon.net) |
| 18:27.55 | Bubbi | I'll just try it.. :) |
| 18:27.55 | Chox | DL! |
| 18:27.59 | DaveLab | C! |
| 18:28.08 | DaveLab | \o/ |
| 18:28.14 | Bubbi | what..? :D |
| 18:28.19 | DaveLab | What's poppin' |
| 18:28.19 | Bill_ | i'll buy a beer to whoever makes ASU fast.. really... |
| 18:28.23 | Bill_ | it's painful |
| 18:28.26 | Bill_ | altho pretty |
| 18:28.26 | DaveLab | Bill, haha |
| 18:28.26 | Bubbi | ah.. :) |
| 18:28.28 | Chox | Dave: not much |
| 18:28.33 | DaveLab | heh |
| 18:28.58 | Bill_ | is thinking about moving back to Nokia^h^h^h^h^hQtopia |
| 18:29.32 | LionKMP | :-) |
| 18:29.36 | Bubbi | Where should I place the script..? Is there a specific place or just a recommended directory..? |
| 18:29.42 | kd8ikt | no skin off myback |
| 18:30.19 | Chox | skin off my paycheck |
| 18:30.23 | Bill_ | if the script itself doesn't assume, that it has to be in some specific place then you can leave it there |
| 18:30.27 | kd8ikt | ~/ is a good place to start Bubbi |
| 18:30.28 | apt | ...but / is already something else... |
| 18:30.32 | Bill_ | and just know that its in root home |
| 18:30.44 | Chox | ~shush |
| 18:30.44 | apt | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 18:31.22 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 18:31.33 | kd8ikt | no we like you apt |
| 18:32.11 | Bill_ | ok.. anyone here also using ASU? |
| 18:32.31 | *** part/#openmoko swc|666 (n=swc|666@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 18:32.35 | Bill_ | how on earth do i get gtk apps to show up in Illume? |
| 18:32.43 | *** join/#openmoko swc|666 (n=swc|666@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 18:32.53 | Bill_ | do i really have to start writing my own .desktop files?? |
| 18:32.57 | Bubbi | alright :) thanks.. It's just that I didn't know if it was good to just place in in ~/ |
| 18:33.38 | Bill_ | Bubbi: you can put anything anywhere aslong as you know where they are |
| 18:33.53 | Bill_ | wow.. that was deep... |
| 18:34.02 | LionKMP | is there any indication of charging? (e.g. a /proc file if not better? :) ) |
| 18:34.27 | kd8ikt | wtf i twas charged and turned off before i went to bed now its acting like its low on batt |
| 18:34.28 | Bubbi | ;) |
| 18:34.35 | LionKMP | is the statement about flatting the battery TRUE on freerunner getting started? |
| 18:34.45 | Bill_ | LionKMP: yup |
| 18:34.58 | *** join/#openmoko Deubeuliou (n=david@AFontenayssB-151-1-53-15.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:35.01 | Bill_ | it's intentional that the battery charging circut is turned on by running kernel |
| 18:35.11 | LionKMP | that sad. I should have ordered a replacement battery :) WHY? |
| 18:35.25 | Bill_ | don't ask me why... i'm wondering myself |
| 18:35.37 | LionKMP | ok :) thanks |
| 18:35.38 | DaveLab | cock lock it and stop it |
| 18:36.01 | Chox | er. |
| 18:36.10 | LionKMP | can I see charging somewhere? |
| 18:36.20 | *** join/#openmoko dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 18:37.25 | *** join/#openmoko olejorgenb (n=olejorge@ip-117-12-149-91.dialup.ice.no) |
| 18:38.20 | *** join/#openmoko XVirus (n=Satan@41.232.219.233) |
| 18:39.02 | *** join/#openmoko kelvie (n=kelvie@S0106000f665a5c2a.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 18:39.02 | Bill_ | i wonder if it's intentional that ASU runs on pure framebuffer |
| 18:39.08 | DaveLab | Connection reset by fear |
| 18:39.14 | Bubbi | I've been wondering too if there were an indicator about how much battery there's left in percentages instead of the not so precise battery indicator on the 2007.02 interface |
| 18:39.31 | trix | that magic eightball app is pretty sweet. |
| 18:39.51 | Bubbi | trix: what's that..? |
| 18:39.58 | trix | http://westhoffs-welt.de/blog/my_first_openmoko_application.html |
| 18:40.06 | trix | opkg install http://westhoffswelt.de/data/blog/moko_eightball/moko-eightball_0.20080721_om-gta02.ipk |
| 18:40.11 | trix | don't replace your neod. |
| 18:40.13 | LionKMP | Bubbi: not so precise? it's not displaying anything for me. (been charging for 3-4 hours since it arrived) |
| 18:40.25 | Bill_ | trix.,, should i try? |
| 18:40.27 | LionKMP | Bill_: is it? |
| 18:40.36 | Bill_ | LionKMP: ?? |
| 18:40.39 | trix | only if you want a magic 8-ball on your FR ;) |
| 18:40.47 | Bill_ | oh i sure do |
| 18:40.52 | Bill_ | trying it out |
| 18:40.56 | LionKMP | Bill_: is it running on framebuffer? |
| 18:40.59 | Bill_ | yup |
| 18:41.13 | Bill_ | root 2688 1 0 21:02 ? 00:00:00 xinit /etc/X11/Xsession -- /usr/bin/Xfbdev :0 -pn -dpi 285 -screen 480x640 -hide |
| 18:41.17 | Bill_ | root 2692 2688 5 21:02 ? 00:02:11 /usr/bin/Xfbdev :0 -pn -dpi 285 -screen 480x640 -hide-cursor -root-ppm /usr/shar |
| 18:41.26 | LionKMP | the aim was to port qtopia stuff to x AFAIK. |
| 18:41.28 | trix | you'll need to at least restart X after installing it, Bill (a reboot may be required) |
| 18:41.35 | Bill_ | why so? |
| 18:41.47 | Bubbi | LionKMP: are you using the 2007.02 image..? It should be in the upper right corner.. |
| 18:42.26 | Bill_ | awww.. "Outrlook not so good" |
| 18:42.29 | Bill_ | no restart needed |
| 18:42.33 | LionKMP | Bubbi: yes, default image. Can't update yet, as plug is busy with wall charger. Factory default image. Battery is a black, with a "flash" sign in it. |
| 18:42.33 | trix | lol nice |
| 18:43.18 | LionKMP | http://lion.xaraya.hu/pictures/neo_freerunner/06_registered.jpg that one, Bubbi. |
| 18:43.24 | kd8ikt | i think the patched neod is for the accellerometers cause neod likes to steal /dev/input/event2 and 3 and not allow anyone else to read from it |
| 18:43.27 | trix | only a matter of time before somebody makes a moko 'more cowbell' app and then the gloves come off |
| 18:43.34 | lpotter | LionKMP: trolltech had already 'ported' qtopia to x11. Openmoko is trying to make it play well using other X elements like other wm/launcher |
| 18:43.45 | Bill_ | trix: anyway.. works nicely with latest ASU |
| 18:43.57 | LionKMP | lpotter: oh, thank you. |
| 18:44.24 | Bubbi | LionKMP: Ah yes.. the're no indication as to how far the charging have reached.. |
| 18:45.14 | LionKMP | Bubbi: and no "animation" to show it IS actually charging. Well, ok, probably it does. |
| 18:45.15 | *** join/#openmoko Gnutoo (n=gnutoo@79.37.186.253) |
| 18:45.18 | LionKMP | /bin/sh: joe not found |
| 18:45.25 | LionKMP | :) |
| 18:45.46 | Bill_ | bah.. joe.. vi forever :) |
| 18:45.52 | tkep | brb...booting to kde 4.1 :) |
| 18:46.08 | LionKMP | Bill_: well, try with the 2007.2 image :) |
| 18:46.11 | Bubbi | LionKMP: The only indication there is, is when it's done.. Then it stops the "flash" and the battery shows as a green box instead |
| 18:46.23 | Bill_ | wowo.. kde4.1 is out indeed |
| 18:46.30 | *** join/#openmoko marcinsoo (n=chatzill@aczk220.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 18:46.41 | Bill_ | LionKMP: don't have one atm |
| 18:46.56 | *** join/#openmoko andlo (n=andlo@x1-6-00-16-d3-2f-5f-f2.k954.webspeed.dk) |
| 18:47.09 | Bill_ | just flashed ASU over my qtopia |
| 18:47.31 | Bill_ | altho i must sai that qtopia is by far the fastest UI atm |
| 18:47.44 | LionKMP | hm, I would like to see snapshot review and recommended snapshots for ASU :( |
| 18:47.47 | Bill_ | but also the only one with serious echo/buzzing issues on gsm |
| 18:48.09 | Bubbi | how do you restart X..? |
| 18:48.15 | Chox | gah, just had a 5.8 earthquake |
| 18:48.24 | cjb | Chox: ooh, where? |
| 18:48.24 | LionKMP | :( |
| 18:48.29 | Bill_ | Chox: where? |
| 18:48.32 | Chox | http://quake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/ |
| 18:48.35 | Hobart | looks like a 5.8 http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsus/Quakes/ci14383980.php |
| 18:48.50 | Chox | snap |
| 18:49.17 | Chox | is in San Diego, so some distance |
| 18:49.23 | DaveLab | :p |
| 18:49.29 | GoldenHawk | I just got the latest ASU from the downloads.openmoko.org feed, and I can't find where to select full-qwerty on the keyboard |
| 18:49.35 | GoldenHawk | I don't know how to type spaces and stuff. |
| 18:49.35 | DaveLab | quake it like it's hot |
| 18:49.43 | GoldenHawk | Or backspace and such. |
| 18:49.59 | Bill_ | GoldenHawk: try a snapshot from 0721 |
| 18:50.14 | Bill_ | i just flashed that into mine, and it works.. slow as hell, but works |
| 18:50.16 | GoldenHawk | Bill_: This is a known thing? |
| 18:50.49 | Bill_ | yup, with 0722 |
| 18:50.59 | GoldenHawk | Bill_: Is it a bug or are they working to remove the 'full-qwerty' selection? |
| 18:51.00 | Bill_ | either follow the steps in http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/024129.html |
| 18:51.11 | Bill_ | it's a mishap, as much as i know |
| 18:51.26 | GoldenHawk | Bill_: Okay.. maybe I can make do with the predictive on-screen keyboard for now. |
| 18:51.35 | Bill_ | GoldenHawk: read the post |
| 18:51.40 | GoldenHawk | Bill_: k |
| 18:51.45 | *** join/#openmoko jeremychang (n=jeremy_c@firewall.tw.openmoko.org) |
| 18:51.52 | Bill_ | there are details, how to get the full keyboard running when its missing |
| 18:54.00 | Bubbi | trix: I tried to install the eightball thing.. But it doesn't look like it worked.. I'm using the 2007.02 image.. Could that be of importance..? |
| 18:54.42 | ieatlint | yay for earthquakes |
| 18:54.46 | Bubbi | trix: It gave me an error.. "Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 But that file is already provided by package * libncurses5" |
| 18:54.51 | Bill_ | Bubbi: which kernel? |
| 18:55.23 | trix | Bubbi, I have it installed on 2007.2 so I don't think that's it. (although I am opkg upgraded to most recent) |
| 18:55.43 | Bubbi | could be.. |
| 18:56.02 | *** join/#openmoko Gnutoo (n=gnutoo@host253-186-dynamic.37-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 18:56.21 | Bubbi | Bill_: I'm not entirely sure.. How would I be able to see which version i'm using..? |
| 18:56.45 | GoldenHawk | Bill_: That post didn't help. |
| 18:56.54 | *** join/#openmoko andrenarchy (n=andrenar@dslb-084-057-085-015.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:57.01 | GoldenHawk | Bill_: It's unrelated. My keyboard works fine, it just doesn't have a Full-QWERTY option. |
| 18:57.16 | Bubbi | I've just run a opkg update/upgrade and it didn't install anything new, as far as i can tell... |
| 18:57.48 | trix | Bubbi, cat /proc/version |
| 18:58.30 | trix | Bubbi, i'm on 2.6.24 ... Fri Jul 25 02:21:19 CEST 2008 |
| 18:58.51 | *** join/#openmoko abraxa_ (n=abraxa@nv-76-0-206-49.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 18:59.22 | Bubbi | trix: I'm on Linux version 2.6.24 ... Sat Jul 26 01:11:56 CEST 2008 |
| 19:00.17 | trix | hmm |
| 19:00.49 | Bill_ | imho it's exactly about that |
| 19:01.31 | Chox | aftershocktastic. |
| 19:01.37 | Bill_ | Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #71 PREEMPT Wed Jul 16 13:45:35 CDT 2008 armv4tl unknown here and the eightball works fine |
| 19:01.50 | Bill_ | so it's probably not kernel |
| 19:02.24 | Bubbi | alright.. i just did another opkg install, and now it installed all fine.. and I can see it in the application area |
| 19:02.51 | jadams__ | so I've successfully dealt with sms and phone calls on my neo now finally |
| 19:03.01 | jadams__ | I mean, I'd made test calls before, but no conversations because I never had it stable |
| 19:03.03 | *** join/#openmoko bluelightning (n=blueligh@pdpc/supporter/active/bluelightning) |
| 19:03.18 | DaveLab | blaat blah |
| 19:03.21 | jadams__ | asu seems stable enough...though enlightment crashed once and restarted itself. |
| 19:03.28 | kd8ikt | Dave! |
| 19:03.29 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 19:03.41 | Bubbi | jadams__: that doesn't make it stable.. :D |
| 19:04.22 | Bill_ | hmh.. i tried calls also with ASU |
| 19:04.23 | jadams__ | Bubbi, stable for making calls |
| 19:04.27 | Bill_ | calling was fine |
| 19:04.32 | Bubbi | ;) |
| 19:04.32 | Bill_ | it's just so horribly slow |
| 19:04.36 | jadams__ | Bubbi, the call wouldn't have dropped even when e was restarting, since it's fso, am I right? |
| 19:04.41 | jadams__ | yeah, it is very slow |
| 19:04.54 | Bill_ | okay.., so i'm not the only one.. |
| 19:05.20 | Bill_ | i think i'll move back to eithe 2007.2 or qtopia for now.. as ASU really is too slow for everyday use |
| 19:05.24 | jadams__ | oh yeah, one more bug I've reported before and been told my device was wonky - my contacts on my sim are truncated |
| 19:05.25 | LionKMP | are developers still updating the 2007.2? or does eveyone work on ASU? Which one to choose as new user? |
| 19:06.22 | jadams__ | actually, there's just a big chunk (L-X) missing |
| 19:06.22 | kd8ikt | fso |
| 19:06.23 | Bill_ | LionKMP: HSR actually |
| 19:06.23 | kd8ikt | SHR |
| 19:06.23 | Bill_ | whatever the order was :) |
| 19:06.23 | Bubbi | heh. |
| 19:06.24 | Bill_ | it was hybrid and stable.. :) that much i remember |
| 19:06.24 | LionKMP | did developers switch to SHR? abandoning 2007.2 and ASU? |
| 19:06.25 | trix | LionKMP: i'd stick with 2007.2 for the time being |
| 19:06.38 | Bill_ | LionKMP: same here.. or qtopia |
| 19:06.44 | LionKMP | trix: is that still receiving some updates, bugfixes, features, packages? |
| 19:06.53 | trix | yep. |
| 19:07.02 | Bill_ | qtopia is _really_ fast compared to everything else available on FR |
| 19:07.15 | SpeedEvil | SHR will have stuff from 2007.2 and ASU pumped into them as appropriate. |
| 19:07.24 | trix | it's not like every day is christmas morning at the north pole though, some patience is needed :) |
| 19:07.25 | LionKMP | isn't it a huge work to port these still coming programs to SHR? or are them the same codebase? |
| 19:07.56 | LionKMP | I can't imagine how all these are developed in the same time. |
| 19:08.19 | Bill_ | LionKMP: the main point with SHR is, that nothing needs to actually be ported |
| 19:08.28 | Bill_ | the X is there already.. the environment is there |
| 19:09.10 | *** join/#openmoko thomasgruebler (n=thomasgr@85-124-167-249.work.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 19:09.15 | Bill_ | only thing that may need porting is FSO backend services.. but these are still miles away |
| 19:09.20 | thomasgruebler | hello |
| 19:09.37 | kd8ikt | anyone getting screenshot ISO convert errors? |
| 19:10.04 | Bill_ | anyone from official devel team are welcome to correct me.. but that's what i've understood from community mailinglist |
| 19:10.07 | LionKMP | I see. which GUI is used? the programs from Qutopia so same as ASU? (and are 2007.2 dialer, contacts discontinued?) |
| 19:10.22 | Bill_ | some mix and match of them |
| 19:10.28 | Bill_ | afaik |
| 19:10.29 | LionKMP | :-) |
| 19:10.46 | Bill_ | damn.. i'm running out of rum... |
| 19:10.49 | thomasgruebler | i made an opkg upgrade and when the neo boots up it shows the new sqlash with the shoe on it and 1s later the standart bootscreen (orange one with openmoko logo) overlaps it. how can i disable the original standart splash? |
| 19:10.58 | *** join/#openmoko Guilt (n=Karthik@allegro/user/Guilt) |
| 19:11.16 | Bubbi | brb |
| 19:11.27 | Guilt | anybody able to figure the reason for opkg upgrade causes reboot s to fail? |
| 19:11.33 | Guilt | image corruption, basically. |
| 19:11.51 | mjr | LionKMP, it appears that among the first orders of business is to make the 2007.2 phone apps run on top of the fso framework through translation, but that's just an impression from the sidelines |
| 19:11.57 | *** join/#openmoko wirrwarr (n=tim@ppp-88-217-58-102.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 19:13.19 | LionKMP | mjr: hehe, well, that's why it's so difficult to understand what to do. Maybe openmoko could take a direction and communicate that clearly. |
| 19:13.50 | mjr | well seems their direction is, well, fso, and a merry anarchy on top |
| 19:14.06 | LionKMP | :-) |
| 19:14.08 | Chox | :o |
| 19:14.26 | Chox | there's no obvious leadership or direction from OM. |
| 19:14.28 | Bill_ | anyway.. it seems like i'm moving back to 2007.2 |
| 19:14.33 | *** join/#openmoko ecraven (n=nex@plc31-103.linzag.net) |
| 19:14.37 | Chox | might require someone from the community to provide it |
| 19:15.21 | LionKMP | is there a serious amount of code created outside OpenMoko Inc.? the community? |
| 19:15.38 | LionKMP | I mean, code which is in the "trunk". not external applications. |
| 19:16.13 | Chox | well, like most OSS projects, it relies heavily upon existing stuff. OM is very much based upon OpenEmbedded, which was designed to be used like this. |
| 19:16.24 | Chox | OpenWrt is much the same |
| 19:16.31 | Bill_ | true that |
| 19:16.50 | Bill_ | basicly glorified busybox with X |
| 19:16.58 | Chox | yessir. with knobs. |
| 19:17.01 | LionKMP | OpenEmbedded has never succeeded to build OM for me. (The basic idea is great, as I understand it.) |
| 19:17.59 | LionKMP | and which distribution is building if I build OE? ASU? SHR? FSO? or are them all available separately? |
| 19:18.07 | Chox | heh |
| 19:18.09 | *** join/#openmoko k-s (n=gustavo@201.82.39.16) |
| 19:18.22 | Rigolo | LionKMP: OpenEmbedded is used in a lot of places ... al the dreambox sat receivers are powered by a OE build image |
| 19:18.26 | Chox | OE is really just a framework. you won't get any of those distros out of it. |
| 19:18.44 | Chox | you need to follow the OM build stuff, which pulls various OE stuff |
| 19:19.10 | Rigolo | OpenWRT build their own build framework .. and called it Kamikaze :-) |
| 19:19.21 | *** join/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e182054004.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 19:19.31 | Chox | actually, Kamikaze is the version of OpenWrt, not the framework |
| 19:19.42 | Chox | just a name, like the Ubuntu names |
| 19:19.49 | Bill_ | true.. previous one was white russian |
| 19:19.54 | kd8ikt | yea i love the openwrt builder |
| 19:20.00 | Rigolo | Chox: mm then it must be BuildRoot-NG or something like that |
| 19:20.00 | kd8ikt | like building a kerne; |
| 19:20.10 | Chox | wut. |
| 19:20.20 | Chox | oh yeah. or something. it's been a year. |
| 19:20.24 | railer | what's with the army boots, just noticed that |
| 19:20.32 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: but that builder must be easy to port to OpenMoko ... or not? |
| 19:20.32 | Guilt | railer: boot ing |
| 19:20.40 | Wonka | hm, are there openwrt builds for the freerunner? |
| 19:20.41 | kd8ikt | make menuconfig and make thats it |
| 19:20.42 | Chox | Rigolo: probably. |
| 19:20.50 | railer | ya that's a bad joke |
| 19:20.58 | Rigolo | Wonka: nto yet ... but you neven know ... |
| 19:21.06 | Chox | but perhaps more complex than is required. OpenWrt has different requirements, and has to pander to a huge range of hardware. |
| 19:21.07 | Wonka | Rigolo: i know they want to do it |
| 19:21.19 | Guilt | yeah. they should probably animate them kicking too ;) |
| 19:21.23 | Rigolo | was hoping for a mobile wireless router ... but the wifi in the FR does not work in AP mode |
| 19:21.24 | DaveLab | fucking earthquakes :P |
| 19:21.33 | Chox | Dave: heh. why so? |
| 19:21.42 | Guilt | DaveLab: hey! |
| 19:21.43 | railer | who had an Earthquake? |
| 19:21.50 | Chox | http://quake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Maps/118-34.html |
| 19:21.50 | Guilt | and earthquake where? |
| 19:21.53 | DaveLab | a friend of mine called me a short time ago, freaking out |
| 19:21.59 | DaveLab | I was like, what the fuck is wrong with you? |
| 19:22.02 | railer | from where? |
| 19:22.04 | kd8ikt | i'm sure master and monitor mode are well on the way |
| 19:22.06 | Guilt | shit. that's bad news. where in the world is it? |
| 19:22.11 | DaveLab | They live in Chino :p |
| 19:22.19 | Chox | kd8ikt: no master support in FR chip. |
| 19:22.23 | Guilt | the olympics!!1 |
| 19:22.29 | DaveLab | what's going on, railer? |
| 19:22.38 | DaveLab | You keepin' it real? |
| 19:22.46 | Rigolo | 5 .. right on the san andreas it looks like? |
| 19:22.58 | railer | not much broke my phone |
| 19:23.05 | DaveLab | 5 on the Railer scale |
| 19:23.06 | railer | playing with themes |
| 19:23.17 | Chox | Dave: tell him to drive his Chico Cholo car in Cholo |
| 19:23.21 | DaveLab | :P |
| 19:23.25 | Chox | er in, Chino |
| 19:23.31 | DaveLab | hah |
| 19:23.38 | Chox | speak good Spanish, yessir! |
| 19:23.46 | DaveLab | Evidently... |
| 19:23.54 | DaveLab | NO ME GUSTA |
| 19:23.54 | Guilt | oh. Chino, California |
| 19:23.55 | Guilt | grr |
| 19:23.56 | railer | 5 on the railer scale? I ain't THAT fat! |
| 19:24.02 | Guilt | 5.8 |
| 19:24.04 | DaveLab | haha ;p |
| 19:24.15 | DaveLab | sure sure, old man |
| 19:24.20 | DaveLab | you keep telling yourself that ;) |
| 19:24.23 | Chox | no comprehende |
| 19:24.35 | SpeedEvil | Oooh! |
| 19:24.40 | SpeedEvil | New accelerometer app. |
| 19:24.44 | railer | Just cause I guys got a little man boob going, don't mean he causes earthquakes! |
| 19:24.49 | Chox | SpeedierEvil |
| 19:24.50 | SpeedEvil | Crowd-sourced earthquake logging. |
| 19:25.01 | Chox | laffs |
| 19:25.52 | Guilt | maybe they'd measure moobment with accelerometers |
| 19:26.09 | Guilt | just put one gta02 on the moob and watch it make the graphs |
| 19:26.09 | *** join/#openmoko wolog (n=wolog@AOrleans-152-1-12-139.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:26.16 | Chox | boobment? |
| 19:26.18 | DaveLab | Speedevil, really? where? |
| 19:26.22 | DaveLab | CHox, I was just about to say that |
| 19:26.23 | DaveLab | hahaha |
| 19:26.27 | SpeedEvil | DaveLab: I was thinking |
| 19:26.34 | DaveLab | Speedevil, oh. |
| 19:26.50 | DaveLab | moob it moob it |
| 19:27.09 | SpeedEvil | DaveLab: it has GPS for time, and could accurately report times and magnitudes of shaking. |
| 19:27.36 | *** join/#openmoko Bubbi (n=bubbi@90.184.129.109) |
| 19:28.00 | *** join/#openmoko grind_ (n=grind@lns-bzn-46-82-253-206-68.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 19:29.11 | railer | Yes we now measure earthquakes by taping FR's to the breast of fat men, they are no longer called Richter, they are now called "Homers" |
| 19:29.38 | Guilt | Boomers? |
| 19:29.42 | Guilt | Moobers? |
| 19:29.59 | swc|666 | moobies |
| 19:29.59 | Wonka | Homr |
| 19:30.16 | *** join/#openmoko yoyo_ (n=yoyo@nat.zegrze.maverick.com.pl) |
| 19:30.20 | yoyo_ | hi |
| 19:30.33 | thomasgruebler | where is the folder where the shortscuts for the menu are stored (sry for my english) |
| 19:31.25 | yoyo_ | thomasgruebler: /usr/share/appli..... |
| 19:31.57 | Chox | and there's been about 15 aftershocks. |
| 19:31.57 | Chox | moo |
| 19:32.10 | thomasgruebler | thx |
| 19:32.22 | railer | but you could add an pedometer to the FR that could be cool |
| 19:32.37 | Chox | boobometer? |
| 19:33.15 | *** part/#openmoko Tig| (n=tigger@82.153.215.237) |
| 19:33.20 | |Marco| | railer: that's one of the things I'd like to trye to make as soon as I understand how to get the right data from BOTH accelerometers |
| 19:33.36 | Guilt | the boobometer? |
| 19:33.43 | Chox | yessir. |
| 19:33.57 | |Marco| | boobometer ? |
| 19:34.06 | railer | ya my guess it would be relativity easy once you have the command structure worked out |
| 19:34.12 | Guilt | m. fun. wonder if we could ask our girlfriends to test it out. ;) |
| 19:34.22 | SpeedEvil | Baywatch. |
| 19:34.27 | Chox | I could, but my wife might object |
| 19:34.27 | DaveLab | BABEWATCH |
| 19:34.28 | Wonka | |Marco|: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval |
| 19:34.35 | Guilt | boobwatch. |
| 19:34.36 | DaveLab | Chox, object, why? |
| 19:34.37 | Guilt | nvm |
| 19:34.52 | Chox | jealous or something. dunno. |
| 19:34.53 | |Marco| | Wonka: I'm trying to find out how to use dbus in python |
| 19:35.06 | Wonka | |Marco|: no idea |
| 19:35.13 | |Marco| | thanks for the url, but I'm allready reading it |
| 19:35.22 | Wonka | would not object to a GF hacking the FR |
| 19:37.05 | DaveLab | What were we talking about, anyway? |
| 19:37.39 | *** join/#openmoko Ryback_ (n=ulisses@enlightenment/developer/ryback) |
| 19:37.41 | Chox | quakes |
| 19:38.05 | *** join/#openmoko smhar (n=Home@193.188.117.67) |
| 19:38.17 | *** part/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e182054004.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 19:38.17 | *** join/#openmoko Varox (n=Varox@p4FD459B6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:38.39 | railer | hey if you add the accelometer with gps you could give accurate walking vs running and distance travelled at what speeds |
| 19:39.10 | mjr | the accelerometer is not accurate for that kind of thing |
| 19:39.19 | SpeedEvil | It's find for step-rate |
| 19:39.22 | SpeedEvil | fine |
| 19:39.22 | *** join/#openmoko Mathiasdm (n=Mathias@vpne182.ugent.be) |
| 19:39.39 | mjr | mm yeah step, I misread |
| 19:39.50 | SpeedEvil | it's useless for trying to use as an inertial guidance thing. |
| 19:40.05 | Chox | yes, you need to combine it with GPS. that'd be accurate. |
| 19:40.27 | Wonka | we need a third axial 3d accelerometer |
| 19:40.33 | Chox | wiitastic? |
| 19:40.42 | railer | I thikn with the both and some trials you could be pretty accurate.... nm what Chox said |
| 19:40.43 | Wonka | we're missing turns around the axis through the two accels |
| 19:40.51 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: err - no |
| 19:41.01 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: ? |
| 19:41.06 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: the existing accels cannot pick up any but the fastest turns. |
| 19:41.08 | ecraven | they are misaligned, i think |
| 19:41.13 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: IIRC about 80RPM. |
| 19:41.18 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: ouch |
| 19:41.27 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: btw, you're writing in boldface? |
| 19:41.57 | Chox | only needs to be accurate over some distance, not very short ranges. |
| 19:42.19 | Chox | </guess> |
| 19:42.21 | SpeedEvil | Chox: the sensors have one bit of output difference when you spin the FR at 80RPM. |
| 19:42.31 | Wonka | ok, then scrap the two axial accels and get one which is 3d axial and 3d radial combined... |
| 19:42.42 | railer | yes, short range you can "guess" with the accelerometer |
| 19:42.46 | SpeedEvil | what you want is gyroscopes. |
| 19:42.54 | *** join/#openmoko Home_ (n=Home@193.188.117.67) |
| 19:42.55 | Chox | so don't put it in your washing machine? |
| 19:43.04 | Wonka | gyro compass? |
| 19:43.06 | SpeedEvil | But those are $15/axis - compared with $1/axis or under for accels. |
| 19:43.12 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: no - MEMS accels. |
| 19:43.32 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: cool |
| 19:43.42 | kd8ikt | dont the 3d accels work as gyro's? |
| 19:43.45 | Wonka | also, i want a 3d magnetic compass |
| 19:43.47 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: no |
| 19:44.01 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: you get instantaneous "down" |
| 19:44.14 | SpeedEvil | google openmoko techincal accellerometer fundamentals |
| 19:44.51 | Wonka | and an ambient light sensor would be cool too |
| 19:44.58 | SpeedEvil | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8337 |
| 19:45.01 | SpeedEvil | gyro |
| 19:45.04 | kd8ikt | i played with the python script i though that was neato it gave me readings 0-1000 depending on its axis |
| 19:45.04 | Chox | Wonka: your eyes? ;o |
| 19:45.10 | Wonka | in the light, you cannot read the display, and in the dark, it's blinding you |
| 19:45.24 | railer | and google will ask :Did you mean: openmoko technical accelerometer fundamentals  |
| 19:45.40 | *** join/#openmoko alphabeat (n=nick@123-243-190-207.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 19:45.45 | SpeedEvil | I can't spell accellelrllelrlelonmememtetr. |
| 19:46.00 | Chox | faster! |
| 19:46.12 | *** join/#openmoko couretca (n=Renault@AToulon-151-1-132-227.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:46.15 | *** join/#openmoko dwb (n=david@pdpc/supporter/active/dwb) |
| 19:46.16 | railer | the jiggle meter |
| 19:46.30 | mike--2 | anyone know if I can get dialup PPP access on the FR? |
| 19:47.06 | mike--2 | heh, nvm: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pppd |
| 19:47.08 | mjr | if you mean do a data call, yes. If you mean gprs, which is generally saner, yes. |
| 19:47.08 | *** join/#openmoko bkuhn (n=bkuhn@sflc/staff/conservancy.president.bkuhn) |
| 19:47.50 | railer | dial up ppp if you have free evening and weekends? |
| 19:48.11 | Bill_ | damn.. there is actually only 2 things i dislike about 2007.2 |
| 19:48.20 | mjr | (gprs isn't dialup, though, but I don't assume too rigidly that you know what you want ;) |
| 19:48.24 | kd8ikt | i just mean that the accels know where down is right? |
| 19:48.32 | mike--2 | heh, i meant dialup, because I don't have a data plan :-D |
| 19:48.34 | Rigolo | railer: if you like 9k6 speeds :-) .. and no calls for the whole weekend |
| 19:48.47 | Wonka | kd8ikt: yeah, but why does one need two of them? |
| 19:48.50 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: down or right ? :-) |
| 19:49.08 | kd8ikt | right=correct |
| 19:49.09 | Bill_ | 1) lack of wifi config and 2) the issue with input after rotating screen |
| 19:49.14 | mjr | mike--2, you do realize that data calls are often charged separate from voice calls too |
| 19:49.20 | mike--2 | hmm |
| 19:49.22 | Bill_ | i can't play openttd like this correctly.. |
| 19:49.37 | mike--2 | mjr: i didn't think of that |
| 19:49.38 | *** join/#openmoko zogs (n=zogs@87.18.81.167) |
| 19:49.58 | mjr | and are often more expensive (not quite necessarily though, depends on how far your telco thinks they can fuck you up the arse) |
| 19:49.58 | Wonka | how far is this Txx.xx demultiplexing stuff, so that gsm and gprs work simultaneously? |
| 19:49.58 | kd8ikt | yes i know i get on peoples back when i'm driving and they give me directions like "Straight" when i say damnit FORWARD |
| 19:50.03 | zogs | hi |
| 19:50.21 | zogs | which email client for openmoko? |
| 19:50.37 | Rigolo | Wonka: is that technically possible then? |
| 19:50.44 | lindi- | zogs: what are you used to? |
| 19:50.45 | Wonka | Rigolo: afaik ja |
| 19:50.51 | Wonka | Rigolo: afaik yes |
| 19:51.01 | zogs | openmoko default |
| 19:51.01 | Rigolo | Wonka: ja is oke for me ;-) |
| 19:51.13 | kd8ikt | and saying left and i say left? "right" what?@! is it left or right say yes or something damnit |
| 19:51.23 | *** join/#openmoko gnutoo_ (n=gnutoo@host253-186-dynamic.37-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 19:51.24 | trix | i was running tangogps last night in my car and was wondering how hard it'd be to flip the X output horizontally so as to be readable as a reflection off my windshield |
| 19:51.35 | Rigolo | needs to think about a certain John Cleese movie :-) |
| 19:51.39 | |Marco| | are there others having problems kompiling qte-mt-static ? |
| 19:51.56 | Home_ | lindi-, thunderbird?! |
| 19:52.25 | mike--2 | is there a fix for the touchpad being off by about an inch in horizontal mode (in 2007.2) |
| 19:52.46 | cjb | mike--2: dunno, but tell me if you find it |
| 19:52.47 | trix | and then i got to wondering whether it'd be possible to achieve some sort of auto flip based on accelerometer data indicating the device has been turned away from the user (while tango is running) |
| 19:53.17 | trix | i know there's no compass to provide direction but it should be possible to measure a quick rotation of the device |
| 19:53.21 | DaveLab | urge to kill, rising... |
| 19:53.24 | Rigolo | trix: and a locater beakon when it flew out of the open window in a shard turn :-) |
| 19:53.25 | cjb | trix: it is |
| 19:53.30 | cjb | gta02.py does this |
| 19:53.46 | DaveLab | Save me Ainulindale-kenobi, you're my only hope! |
| 19:53.48 | DaveLab | :p |
| 19:53.50 | trix | Rigolo, nooooooo! (i have lost a few pair of sunglasses that way) |
| 19:53.53 | DaveLab | cjb, shittily, yes. |
| 19:54.11 | cjb | yes, it seems slow to update |
| 19:54.18 | |Marco| | cjb: you can do it in the aux menu |
| 19:54.19 | *** join/#openmoko jopk (n=chatzill@p5B162465.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:54.22 | Rigolo | trix: A friend of mine a mobile phone .... in the water (long live amsterdam and it's canals :-) |
| 19:54.28 | cjb | |Marco|: there's an aux menu? |
| 19:54.48 | |Marco| | hold the button on the top left for a few seconds |
| 19:54.54 | |Marco| | or just moments |
| 19:55.00 | Chox | its, too |
| 19:55.14 | |Marco| | Chox: okay |
| 19:55.20 | trix | Rigolo, poor guy :) |
| 19:55.45 | *** join/#openmoko ajbrun (n=ajbrun@host86-151-145-26.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 19:56.02 | *** join/#openmoko blan_ (n=blan@dslb-092-075-241-170.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:56.04 | *** join/#openmoko olejorgenb (n=olejorge@ip-121-20-149-91.dialup.ice.no) |
| 19:56.11 | Rigolo | mm reading up on this simultanious voice and gprs thing ... what kind of gprs class is in the FR? read something about a class A, B or C phone |
| 19:56.39 | mjr | B |
| 19:56.42 | Chox | class OSS |
| 19:57.11 | DaveLab | crap |
| 19:57.13 | mjr | you can be registered on both and use the gprs; apparently there was some trouble getting call signaling through if the gprs is in active constant use, don't know if that's working out |
| 19:57.21 | Rigolo | mjr ... so than you sacrifice voice quality for data if I read correctly |
| 19:57.23 | trix | cjb, thanks, i'll check that out |
| 19:57.25 | DaveLab | I'm so good at breaking it! |
| 19:57.31 | SpeedEvil | Rigolo: no. |
| 19:57.38 | mjr | Rigolo, no. You get suspended data if doing voice. |
| 19:57.43 | SpeedEvil | Rigolo: you have either a data connection, or a voice one. |
| 19:58.05 | zogs | SHR is out? |
| 19:58.32 | Rigolo | and suspended data means no lost connections .... dhcp assigned IP stays etc? |
| 19:58.37 | Chox | SHR doesn't exist |
| 19:58.49 | Rigolo | well .. at least not in bits :-) |
| 19:59.20 | mjr | Rigolo, well, it'll recover as well as you'd expect from tcp getting cut for a while... |
| 19:59.52 | mjr | (don't know if there are guarantees generally on the provider not cutting you off completely after some time) |
| 19:59.54 | *** join/#openmoko eckhard (n=eckhard@pD9529752.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:00.16 | Rigolo | Method and apparatus for simultaneous circuit switched voice and GPRS data interchange (United States Patent 6282182 ) |
| 20:00.47 | Rigolo | and how about this then: The standards have introduced a "Simple Class A", or Dual Transfer Mode device that simplifies the radio resource allocation. You get a half rate Voice timeslot and a half rate GPRS timeslot in succession. This is easily (or more easily) implemented on a single radio module. |
| 20:01.17 | Rigolo | that would mean ... 50% voice quality .. but no "dropped" tcp/ip |
| 20:01.18 | mjr | the neo is class b. |
| 20:01.37 | Rigolo | okee .. so this is out then ... mmmm |
| 20:02.02 | Rigolo | needs to talk to his mobile provider to see what they do with "suspended" data connections :-) |
| 20:02.10 | mjr | probably nothing much |
| 20:02.43 | DaveLab | drop 'em like they're hot? |
| 20:02.52 | mjr | I've had ssh sessions survive voice calls on other class b hardware here in .fi |
| 20:03.35 | Rigolo | mjr: and was it a long call ...or the typical 3 minute standard call? |
| 20:03.48 | mjr | I don't really do long calls |
| 20:04.03 | lymeca | So I'm reading this article posted on Slashdot about how wifi and cell phones report signal strength, not quality, and therefore more bars isn't necessarily better due to possible noise |
| 20:04.04 | lymeca | http://www.dansdata.com/gz084.htm |
| 20:04.18 | lymeca | How does the FR report signal strength? |
| 20:04.40 | lymeca | Does it consider noise, or is it like most cell phones and just strength? |
| 20:04.45 | McKael | Have you guys played with video on the FR? |
| 20:05.12 | *** join/#openmoko behdad (n=behdad@216.18.1.210) |
| 20:06.11 | mjr | balrog-kun did that mpeg4-decoder support for mplayer |
| 20:06.31 | mjr | well, initial at least :] |
| 20:07.01 | Yashy | I did a fresh 2007.2 install today, did update/upgrade, and the phone freezes at the openmoko loading/splash screen now. The power button doesn't work to turn it off even :( |
| 20:07.06 | Ainulindale | DaveLab: Could you please stop hilighting me if you just want nothing from me ? |
| 20:07.56 | railer | DaveLab DaveLab DaveLab DaveLab DaveLab DaveLab DaveLab DaveLab DaveLab |
| 20:08.02 | railer | :) |
| 20:08.21 | *** part/#openmoko alphabeat (n=nick@123-243-190-207.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 20:10.17 | zogs | i want an email client for openmoko-gta02 |
| 20:10.22 | Rigolo | Yashy: congratulations ... your are user 18475 with that problem :-) |
| 20:10.26 | McKael | mjr: I'm interested in what could be reasonably possible, |
| 20:10.33 | Rigolo | zogs ... mutt :-) .. what else do you need ;-) |
| 20:10.34 | Guilt | hey. it's not showing the signal strength graph which it did in the morning |
| 20:10.35 | McKael | mjr: size, framerate... |
| 20:10.46 | zogs | Rigolo: 18476 with me |
| 20:10.46 | Yashy | Didin't know it was already reported. Do I win something? :) |
| 20:10.47 | Guilt | any reason why? |
| 20:10.49 | *** join/#openmoko josch (n=josch@club.muc.ccc.de) |
| 20:11.06 | mike--2 | Yashy: you'll want to flash your phone with daily kernel from 7/27 |
| 20:11.09 | Rigolo | Yashy: a free DIY reflash :-) |
| 20:11.10 | mike--2 | this resolved the problem for me |
| 20:11.22 | mike--2 | without removing anything I had in userspace |
| 20:11.35 | Rigolo | mike--2: ooo good to know that my suggestions worked :-) |
| 20:11.36 | Yashy | great, thanks! |
| 20:12.01 | mike--2 | Rigolo: yeah, I mentioned that when I got it working :) thanks |
| 20:12.24 | Rigolo | mike--2: maybe we can add this to the ticket as a work around sollution |
| 20:12.32 | mike--2 | hmm, I didn't know there was a ticket |
| 20:13.11 | Rigolo | mike .. what does opkg -test upgrade report now? nothing I would guess .. it thinks the kernel git25 is installed? or is that kernel from the 25 a git25 kernel? |
| 20:13.14 | McKael | Aha, almost got a full screen movie (low res, low rate, but correct) |
| 20:13.33 | Rigolo | McKael: qvga should be possible right? |
| 20:13.44 | McKael | Rigolo: yep |
| 20:13.46 | Yashy | I'll verify it in a few minutes |
| 20:13.55 | McKael | Rigolo: but it's slow |
| 20:14.15 | mjr | McKael, google for "accelerating in my pocket" |
| 20:14.16 | Chox | McKael: woot. |
| 20:14.19 | Rigolo | McKael: did you check balrog his pages? |
| 20:14.21 | McKael | I'm playing it over the network |
| 20:14.40 | McKael | in order to reduce i/o |
| 20:14.42 | Rigolo | try via gprs for extra geek points :-) |
| 20:14.56 | McKael | lol |
| 20:14.59 | mjr | McKael, basically there was reasonable success getting mpeg4 to play in qvga res on full framerate. But I haven't tried myself. |
| 20:15.05 | mike--2 | Rigolo: opkg -test upgrade shows nothing |
| 20:15.20 | mike--2 | so if I wanted to rebrick my phone i'd probably have to force the kernel upgrade :) |
| 20:15.23 | McKael | mjr: ok, thanks |
| 20:15.36 | McKael | Rigolo: can you remind me of the url? |
| 20:15.45 | XorA | YES FIREFOX 3.0.1 comes to openmoko |
| 20:15.48 | mjr | Rigolo, somebody actually did some video streaming over gprs. Claimed higher than extremely crappy quality, but dunno ;) |
| 20:15.52 | Rigolo | McKael: do what mjr said .. |
| 20:15.59 | Wonka | XorA: ouch. |
| 20:16.02 | Chox | uh oh, superbar on small screen ;-) |
| 20:16.04 | Yashy | is booting 7/27 kernel with fingers crossed |
| 20:16.15 | Rigolo | mjr: higher is better right :-) |
| 20:16.18 | Yashy | Anyone have the date & time on their main menu screen? |
| 20:16.38 | Rigolo | yep. came default on the 200702 July 22th rootfs |
| 20:17.35 | *** join/#openmoko khaije1 (n=khaije@c-68-33-199-117.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 20:17.35 | Guilt | good news. gps is working. i got a ffix! |
| 20:17.36 | Guilt | \o/ |
| 20:17.37 | Rigolo | mike--2: can you compare the opkg list_installed | grep kernel version with that from the 27th? if it is the same .. then there is something in the kernel flash procedure from opkg that breaks things I would think |
| 20:17.37 | Guilt | FUCK YEAH |
| 20:17.41 | Yashy | 7/27 image booted, sweet! |
| 20:18.05 | DaveLab | \o/ |
| 20:18.10 | Guilt | \o/ woohoo |
| 20:18.12 | Chox | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.17 | Chox | \o\ |
| 20:18.19 | Guilt | \o\ /o/ |
| 20:18.31 | Chox | dances >-o |
| 20:18.35 | Chox | dances >-|o |
| 20:18.37 | Chox | dances >-/o |
| 20:18.43 | DaveLab | hrm |
| 20:18.49 | Chox | blame bash.org |
| 20:18.49 | DaveLab | Not much of a dancer, are you |
| 20:18.52 | Chox | true. |
| 20:18.54 | DaveLab | Gotta move yo feet! |
| 20:19.11 | Rigolo | mjr: what gprs class is the GSM chip? |
| 20:19.11 | Chox | dances <-/o |
| 20:19.14 | Yashy | is a white male; the robot is all I have in my dance arsenal |
| 20:19.15 | Chox | dances |-/o |
| 20:19.18 | Chox | dances >-/o |
| 20:19.37 | DaveLab | :P |
| 20:19.44 | Chox | whoa, another quake |
| 20:19.58 | DaveLab | SURPRISE! |
| 20:20.04 | DaveLab | or is it? |
| 20:20.18 | Yashy | wonders what the surprise is |
| 20:20.21 | mike--2 | Rigolo: I'll check it out and let you know |
| 20:20.30 | Chox | problem is, it might just be a passing truck. this building is old. |
| 20:20.35 | Yashy | the developers have all applications working perfectly? :) |
| 20:21.00 | *** join/#openmoko aggtrfrad (n=aggtrfra@CPE001346891e81-CM0018c0d9db72.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 20:21.31 | Rigolo | Yashy: yes .. the secetly have a full working FR that runs circles around the iphone in usabilty ... |
| 20:22.07 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r75dc2954f8b1 10/packages/mozilla/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [firefox] working firefox for openmoko, from mamona with one fix from poky |
| 20:22.08 | Yashy | I knew it was just a matter of time... :) |
| 20:22.20 | Guilt | i'll get rich once i invent a device that allows me to stab people over the internet ;) |
| 20:22.59 | XorA | there guys, have fun with firefox |
| 20:23.10 | Yashy | sweet! |
| 20:23.13 | Bill_ | mkay |
| 20:23.17 | Bill_ | installing it in a sec |
| 20:23.18 | mjr | Rigolo, 12 iirc, you'll get as fast as plain gprs goes. That is not very, but anyway :] |
| 20:23.27 | *** join/#openmoko sindre (n=sindre@185.84-49-128.nextgentel.com) |
| 20:24.39 | *** join/#openmoko nab (n=nab@64-172-115-11.ded.pacbell.net) |
| 20:24.54 | Rigolo | mjr: and could you reconfigure the allocation of channels on the fly, like based on last average bandwidth saturation or something like that? that would be handy :-) |
| 20:25.30 | XorA | and the good news is, apart from the theme, firefox 3 runs at a decent speed on freerunner |
| 20:26.11 | Chox | turns out was only a 5.4. I guessed a 5.5. woot. |
| 20:26.17 | Rigolo | can remember adding a extra idsn channel when needed .. and dropping it again when there was voice .. or when there was no need based on bandwith consumption |
| 20:26.34 | Bill_ | XorA: can't find it.. maybe i'm overlooking something |
| 20:26.42 | XorA | Bill_: you need to build it |
| 20:26.47 | Bill_ | mkay |
| 20:26.50 | Bill_ | no package yet? |
| 20:27.03 | Rigolo | just commited to svn like 3 secs ago |
| 20:27.09 | Bill_ | in that case.. let's put together a build env :) |
| 20:27.18 | Bill_ | hey.. you could've built it also :) |
| 20:27.30 | Rigolo | wasn't me :-) |
| 20:27.30 | XorA | I have it built, but something is wrong with buildhost |
| 20:27.41 | Bill_ | ahh.. ok.. |
| 20:27.43 | Rigolo | knows how to write C plusplus .. that is it :-) |
| 20:28.07 | mike--2 | Rigolo: opkg list_installed shows all the kernel stuff as git25 |
| 20:28.08 | Yashy | opkg update && opkg install firefox |
| 20:28.08 | Bill_ | has only writted helloworld in Cpp back in the times of KDE2 |
| 20:28.13 | Yashy | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 20:28.17 | *** join/#openmoko a_thing_ (n=notroot@c-98-193-50-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 20:28.27 | mike--2 | is there I way I can see what the 7/27 comes with without re-flashing? |
| 20:28.43 | Rigolo | mike--2: what do you mean? |
| 20:29.03 | Yashy | mike--2: pull down the source tree to your desktop and diff? :) |
| 20:29.09 | *** join/#openmoko zogs (n=zogs@87.18.81.167) |
| 20:29.10 | Rigolo | mike--2: have a good look at the download page on buildhost ... there you can see the version |
| 20:29.23 | Rigolo | Yashy: binary diff :-) |
| 20:29.41 | balrog-kun | mike--2: you can boot it from ram |
| 20:29.42 | mjr | Rigolo, I have the impression that channels are dynamically allocated to an extent, but not really sure on those details |
| 20:29.46 | mike--2 | Rigolo: I was just thinking that opkg might not know what kernel is installed |
| 20:29.57 | mike--2 | because i just flashed a new kernel on it, and didn't use opkg to do it |
| 20:30.22 | Chox | quite true. unless you stuck to opkg for kernel installs, it won't know. |
| 20:30.29 | *** join/#openmoko tkep (n=travisk@nat/redhat/x-9445067a9bee9696) |
| 20:30.31 | Rigolo | mike--2: that is correct, it "assumed" that your last opkg upgrade worked ... and you manually fixed that by manually flashing the git25 kernel image from the 27th |
| 20:30.37 | *** join/#openmoko peter_b (n=peter_b@p5497B19C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:30.53 | mike--2 | git25 is the version of the kernel? |
| 20:31.21 | DaveLab | is it light and salty? |
| 20:31.30 | Chox | more meaty and sweet. |
| 20:31.30 | Rigolo | mjr: well ... openmoko variant for the 2.6.24 kernel .. so 2.6.24 with git25 patches |
| 20:31.58 | DaveLab | :D |
| 20:32.04 | DaveLab | nice |
| 20:32.05 | Rigolo | mjr .. in mean mike--2 ofcourse :-) |
| 20:32.10 | DaveLab | sounds like my dinner |
| 20:32.20 | Chox | long pig? |
| 20:32.25 | *** join/#openmoko fulgas (n=fn@a81-84-101-131.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 20:32.39 | Yashy | Someone care to help me? I'm trying to compile nmap for the NF: http://pastebin.com/m29fe96b3 |
| 20:32.48 | Rigolo | balrog-kun: there were people here look for video ... we refered them to your blog :-) |
| 20:32.53 | mike--2 | Rigolo: hmm, so we're trying to find out if the kernel from 7/27 is the same as the most recent in opkg |
| 20:33.08 | Rigolo | mike--2: yes .... |
| 20:33.17 | Rigolo | mike--2: and I think it is .... |
| 20:33.45 | Rigolo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.56 | mike--2 | I would think so too, because if I went to the bootloader before, and manually selected boot - it was telling me that the kernel was invalid |
| 20:33.57 | Rigolo | looks the same as what opkg "installed" |
| 20:34.07 | *** join/#openmoko a__thing (n=notroot@c-98-193-50-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 20:34.08 | Yashy | mike--2: I think it is, I didn't flash my kernel and it choked, I just did an update/upgrade |
| 20:34.19 | mike--2 | Rigolo: which would indicate that it was opkg that screwed up, not the kernel update |
| 20:34.45 | Rigolo | mike--2: that is also my idea right now .. |
| 20:36.13 | Rigolo | mjr: I would guess only people at openmoko inc would know that answer about the channels? |
| 20:36.31 | mike--2 | Is there a ticket opened for the opkg kernel update problem? |
| 20:36.39 | mike--2 | I looked around but couldn't find it |
| 20:36.58 | mjr | Rigolo, it's more of a general gprs thing, also I wouldn't be so sure many of them knew ;P |
| 20:36.59 | Rigolo | 16something ... |
| 20:38.16 | mjr | Rigolo, googling a bit, http://www.newlc.com/GPRS-Class-overview.html says the class itself implies dynamic allocation happening on the background |
| 20:38.50 | mjr | this occurs in the gsm chipset, which is a black box to us |
| 20:39.10 | *** join/#openmoko linuxxr (n=brian@ip70-178-27-23.ks.ks.cox.net) |
| 20:39.17 | Chox | woot off! |
| 20:39.28 | balrog-kun | Rigolo: ah cool, the information there is still valid :) |
| 20:39.29 | Rigolo | mjr: well .. it supports dynamic allocations ... if it really does it .. that is something else |
| 20:39.34 | Chox | http://www.woot.com/ new piece of cheap crap every few minutes |
| 20:39.39 | balrog-kun | except you don't need to modify kernel anymore |
| 20:39.41 | mike--2 | Chox: I know, I have about 60 text messages from the PHP script that notifies me when the woot item changes :-D |
| 20:39.51 | Chox | hah |
| 20:39.56 | mike--2 | good for stress testing the messaging program |
| 20:40.04 | *** join/#openmoko smhar (n=Home@193.188.117.67) |
| 20:42.47 | *** join/#openmoko mmaestri (n=mmaestri@201.254.87.225) |
| 20:44.47 | *** join/#openmoko everslick (n=clemens@91-113-62-72.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 20:46.20 | *** join/#openmoko Zorkman (n=frisco@d54C6FD4B.access.telenet.be) |
| 20:46.25 | Zorkman | llo |
| 20:47.59 | cjb | hm, how can I send an SMS to a number that starts with a #? |
| 20:48.03 | Guilt | this is the last question atm :-) |
| 20:48.15 | Guilt | if i plug in the headset jack perfectly |
| 20:48.22 | Guilt | without any gaps, then i can't hear anything |
| 20:48.29 | LionKMP | hi, regarding: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Simple_Manual_Linux_Configuration |
| 20:48.32 | Guilt | but if i dont, it it's 4 mm away, it woks. |
| 20:48.35 | Zorkman | Guilt: play with the alsamixer... |
| 20:48.37 | LionKMP | do I type this in openmoko or the PC? |
| 20:48.41 | Zorkman | ah.... strange :) |
| 20:48.49 | Guilt | Zorkman: exactly |
| 20:49.12 | *** part/#openmoko swc|666 (n=swc|666@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 20:49.14 | *** join/#openmoko christooss (n=matic@BSN-95-213-154.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 20:49.20 | Zorkman | LionKMP: something you enter in your host pc and other things on your freerunner, i thought it was al clearly stated... |
| 20:49.52 | Zorkman | the only real thing you have to do on your freerunner is changing the nameserver |
| 20:50.03 | Zorkman | (and ping to see if it works) |
| 20:50.08 | LionKMP | the linked section is the first one dealing with commands, and it does not mention either side. |
| 20:50.08 | Chox | will answer any networking problems. |
| 20:50.36 | Chox | zorkman seems to have it in hand, however :o |
| 20:50.36 | Bubbi | LionKMP: Everything inside the "Simple Manual Linux Configuration" section, you write on the pc |
| 20:50.37 | Zorkman | ah, the link you type on your host machine |
| 20:51.19 | Chox | http://cgi.ebay.com/Open-Moko-Neo-Freerunner-Linux-Phone_W0QQitemZ180270894847QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3312QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 20:51.24 | Chox | another FR on ebay |
| 20:51.28 | LionKMP | actja |
| 20:51.29 | Zorkman | I'll edit the wiki so it explicitly states you have to type on the host (or would you rather do that Chox, since it's almost your own page ;-)) |
| 20:51.37 | Guilt | Zorkman: what's wrong? |
| 20:51.45 | Chox | go ahead, just use clear wording. |
| 20:52.10 | *** join/#openmoko Home_ (n=Home@193.188.117.67) |
| 20:52.21 | kd8ikt | "Very nice stylus pen" |
| 20:52.21 | LionKMP | actually I already have the host part, from the mandriva section. (it brings up usb0 since I connected neo) |
| 20:52.59 | linuxxr | so glue a 4mm spacer on your jack |
| 20:53.04 | kd8ikt | Very nice stylus penmore liek crap top heavy gumball machine toy |
| 20:54.09 | linuxxr | that would mean the receptacle is mounted too close to the surface |
| 20:54.10 | Guilt | Zorkman: is there something a connector not properly wired insde? |
| 20:54.18 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: but it has a laser ^^ |
| 20:54.31 | Zorkman | Guilt: I have no idea |
| 20:54.42 | linuxxr | put that stylus on a shelf |
| 20:54.45 | Bubbi | But you must admit that it feels rather solid.. :) |
| 20:54.48 | LionKMP | I think the Neo side commands is missing from that page, isn't it? |
| 20:55.07 | kd8ikt | damngit i'm locked out of two of my gmail accounts |
| 20:55.14 | linuxxr | round an soft |
| 20:55.24 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: how do you do that? wrong passwords? |
| 20:55.36 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 20:55.39 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.01 | Zorkman | the stylus is one of the only things in the openmoko package that works ;) |
| 20:56.09 | linuxxr | lolol |
| 20:56.19 | kd8ikt | dont say that |
| 20:56.29 | Bubbi | hahaha |
| 20:56.33 | linuxxr | i like my devices |
| 20:56.33 | kd8ikt | cause its bullshit |
| 20:56.35 | Zorkman | kd8ikt you can say everything when you put a smiley after it :) |
| 20:56.42 | Bubbi | actually i had a hard time making the ballpen work.. :P |
| 20:56.48 | ecraven | someone here pointed me to a link about filtering input events (context was right-clicking). i lost the link :( |
| 20:57.07 | Zorkman | ecraven: there is an archive of this channel |
| 20:57.09 | linuxxr | is there a wiki for the stylus? |
| 20:57.15 | Bubbi | haha.. |
| 20:57.25 | Zorkman | (at least there used to be one, do'nt see why it wouldn't exist anymore) |
| 20:57.28 | linuxxr | wat about the batts? |
| 20:57.51 | linuxxr | probly 5 bucks worth batteries |
| 20:57.57 | Zorkman | there are no bats in my freerunner, they had to share the cave with the glamo and the SD, there was not enough space |
| 20:58.25 | linuxxr | some extra space by the sdcard |
| 20:59.18 | *** join/#openmoko Home__ (n=Home@193.188.117.67) |
| 20:59.19 | *** join/#openmoko batti (n=batti@p5B14C2BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:59.27 | Bubbi | about the stylus.. it might have been better if it didn't weigh that much and if the buttons on it wouldn't be so "loose".. they are making noise, if you're just shaking the damn pen |
| 20:59.31 | Rigolo | Zorkman: onoo .. an archive .. so everything is logged ... aaaarrggghhh :-) |
| 21:00.26 | Zorkman | yeah, they'll probably use it to blackmail our grandchildren... |
| 21:00.55 | ecraven | Bubbi: you can use whatever stylus you want |
| 21:01.03 | Rigolo | well ... I always use white enveloppes .. so they can not blackmail me :-) |
| 21:01.22 | *** join/#openmoko HauDyr (n=kim@knet-gip124.prod.bolignet.dk) |
| 21:01.58 | Rigolo | althoug the government here sometimes "bluemail" me ... some kind of extortion scheme they are running :-) |
| 21:02.05 | LionKMP | destination host unreachable :( |
| 21:02.06 | Bubbi | ecraven: I know.. but now we're talking about the stylus that is delivered with the neo.. :) And that could have been "improved".. chosen with better thought |
| 21:02.24 | LionKMP | ifconfig looks ok on both sides |
| 21:02.47 | Zorkman | yeah, ifconfig really has a nice rack and buttom |
| 21:02.50 | ecraven | Bubbi: a lot of things could have been better ;) but then, a lot of things could have been worse too |
| 21:03.16 | ecraven | LionKMP: does "route -n" look ok too? |
| 21:04.34 | Rigolo | Chox: your quake has made it to the dutch newspapers already :-) |
| 21:04.42 | Bubbi | ecraven: definitely..! things could be worse.. At least the Neo is what we wanted, and we can at least make it work. |
| 21:05.06 | Chox | aye |
| 21:05.07 | LionKMP | ecraven: both has this usb0 rule: 192.168.0.200 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.252 U 10 0 0 usb0 |
| 21:05.11 | *** join/#openmoko ajbrun (n=ajbrun@host86-151-145-26.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 21:05.27 | LionKMP | 252 is from the Mandriva section of the same Wiki page (usb networking) |
| 21:05.53 | LionKMP | metric is 0 on neo. |
| 21:06.18 | LionKMP | there are some "169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 10 0 0 usb0" stuff too, dunno why. |
| 21:06.39 | Chox | muh. |
| 21:06.54 | ecraven | looks like dhcp |
| 21:07.12 | ecraven | you shouldn't have those i think :) |
| 21:07.31 | ecraven | try to get rid of them (route del 169.254.0.0) |
| 21:07.33 | Rigolo | or avahi autonetworking .. 169.254 is the auto assigned ip range right? |
| 21:07.46 | ecraven | iirc, yes |
| 21:08.10 | ecraven | did you try ping 192.168.0.202 from the host? |
| 21:08.27 | LionKMP | yes, destination unreachable. |
| 21:09.12 | ecraven | what does ifconfig eth0 (or whatever it is) report as an ip address? |
| 21:09.45 | Chox | http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134479 |
| 21:09.48 | Chox | only 1GB tho. |
| 21:09.58 | LionKMP | moment, I lost usb0 IP address with a service network restart on host :( |
| 21:10.25 | kd8ikt | 4$AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA you cant loose |
| 21:10.43 | kd8ikt | ok where'd those AA's comee vrom |
| 21:11.14 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: your new "multitap" keyboard for your desktop? |
| 21:11.47 | kd8ikt | yeah its the new newb basher model |
| 21:12.04 | kd8ikt | extra keys for w00t and stfu |
| 21:12.19 | Rigolo | Chox: I like thos special offers ... liek the no payments for up to 12 months ... (do not look at the minimu purchare required bit) |
| 21:12.52 | Chox | :p |
| 21:13.06 | Chox | and shipping to .nl |
| 21:13.39 | Rigolo | well .. free shipping ... via bottle mail .. (no garantueed delivery) |
| 21:16.11 | Chox | screw dat |
| 21:16.31 | Rigolo | cheapest SDHC micro here is a 4Gb class 6 ... 10.16 EURO ex shipping |
| 21:16.41 | LionKMP | i configured the same IP to both. There are no instructions for Neo commands so I typed the same. :-) (and forgot to adjust) I try starting over. |
| 21:16.54 | Chox | LionKMP: tsk. |
| 21:17.00 | ecraven | hehe, that won't work |
| 21:17.07 | Chox | there's nothing to change on Neo except maybe DNS |
| 21:17.08 | ecraven | the ips have to be different |
| 21:17.19 | ecraven | quite probably dns |
| 21:17.24 | *** join/#openmoko everslick (n=clemens@212-183-112-46.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 21:17.26 | *** join/#openmoko ajbrun (n=ajbrun@host86-151-145-26.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 21:17.27 | ecraven | but you don't need dns for sshing into the fr |
| 21:17.30 | Rigolo | 1Gb sd Micro i can get here for 1.71 Euro :-) |
| 21:17.35 | Chox | demands DNS! |
| 21:17.38 | Chox | :oi |
| 21:17.55 | Rigolo | so that is about 4 USD with todays rate right ;-) |
| 21:17.57 | ecraven | i need to find a way to set the fr's dns to my machine's dns, whatever that is |
| 21:17.58 | *** join/#openmoko uzytkownik (n=uzytkown@87-205-248-185.adsl.inetia.pl) |
| 21:17.58 | *** join/#openmoko Varox (n=Varox@p4FD459B6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:17.59 | DaveLab | oy |
| 21:18.04 | DaveLab | ECRAVEN! |
| 21:18.08 | ecraven | heyya DaveLab :) |
| 21:18.16 | DaveLab | ecraven, edit resolv.conf :P |
| 21:18.23 | DaveLab | is that too hard? ;) |
| 21:18.25 | ecraven | too much work |
| 21:18.26 | Chox | ecraven: er, cat /etc/resolv.conf, copy result to FR |
| 21:18.31 | Chox | spanketh. |
| 21:18.33 | ecraven | should work automagically |
| 21:18.37 | Chox | should. |
| 21:18.40 | DaveLab | bah |
| 21:18.44 | Chox | welcomes automagic solutions. |
| 21:18.44 | DaveLab | it can't see THROUGH your network |
| 21:18.53 | DaveLab | it's not the eye of sauron, for crying out loud |
| 21:18.53 | Rigolo | ecraven: set FR dns to local host and let networking scripts determine where the localhost should forward them to .. via usb0, eth0 ppp0 etc |
| 21:18.54 | DaveLab | ;) |
| 21:18.55 | Chox | Dave: it can, with the right iptables rule. |
| 21:18.59 | DaveLab | bbq0 |
| 21:19.05 | Chox | lol0 |
| 21:19.05 | DaveLab | :P |
| 21:19.09 | DaveLab | bah |
| 21:19.11 | *** join/#openmoko a__thing (n=notroot@c-98-193-50-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 21:19.12 | ecraven | Rigolo: then i'd need a local dns server |
| 21:19.14 | ecraven | which i don't want ;) |
| 21:19.16 | DaveLab | mine was far better :P |
| 21:19.25 | DaveLab | Ecraven, doesn't everybody have one? ;) |
| 21:19.27 | Chox | bbq1!!011lol! |
| 21:19.40 | Rigolo | ecraven: well ... forwardder/prxy ...like dnsmasq or something like that |
| 21:19.50 | Chox | like iptables |
| 21:20.11 | Chox | it's all there on the USB networking page |
| 21:20.22 | ecraven | DaveLab: event stuff starts to work, tomorrow i'll probably have it so that we can react to buttons, and maybe i can even rig up /dev/input/event1 and xdotool to do right-clicks |
| 21:20.32 | Rigolo | wants something that keeps in working ... even if I hop wifi AP, switch to GPRS .. and then to usb networking |
| 21:20.39 | ecraven | hm.. good idea actually, thanks Rigolo, Chox |
| 21:20.44 | Chox | ecraven: whatever it is you're doing, heroic! |
| 21:21.33 | Chox | Rigolo: could whip up something with hotplug to do wifi vs USB, but the metrics on when to switch become tricky |
| 21:21.33 | Zorkman | ecraven: will your heroic work also work on the asu? or only on debian? |
| 21:21.37 | ecraven | it should be possible to listen to /dev/input/event1, and detect when the user taps-and-holds without much movement, and then just artificially inject a right-click via xdotool (or whatever else) |
| 21:21.43 | ecraven | Zorkman: if you have xdotool, it should work :) |
| 21:21.49 | ecraven | maybe xtest is good enough too |
| 21:21.58 | *** part/#openmoko uzytkownik (n=uzytkown@87-205-248-185.adsl.inetia.pl) |
| 21:22.07 | Zorkman | of course I don't have it! but i will try to find it then :) |
| 21:22.23 | LionKMP | do newer images have better keyboard after flashing? (query) |
| 21:22.23 | Zorkman | (or maybe I do have it and don't know about it, the possibilities...) |
| 21:22.28 | *** join/#openmoko CVirus (n=Satan@82.201.178.105) |
| 21:22.54 | LionKMP | after flashing = by default in the image. |
| 21:23.05 | Rigolo | Chox: well ... you can make it more complex by trying to keep existing connections alive via one interface, but start new ones via a newer faster interface |
| 21:23.11 | LionKMP | I can't setup the net with this SMS keyboard. :( |
| 21:23.26 | *** part/#openmoko jancona (n=jancona@38.97.74.254) |
| 21:23.29 | ecraven | Zorkman: you probably don't have it |
| 21:23.33 | ecraven | but you can just copy my binary ;) |
| 21:23.35 | Chox | Rigolo: actually, I make such a product. but it won't fit in FR. |
| 21:23.38 | Rigolo | Chox: or based on type of connections .... http always via the fastest .. ssh via a stable standard (like gprs) etc |
| 21:23.41 | *** part/#openmoko mike--2 (n=giantwan@1016.dca.net) |
| 21:23.49 | Marcel_M | ecraven: set the dns in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:23.55 | *** join/#openmoko StealthCP (n=stealthc@user-5af20e2b.tcl108.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 21:24.01 | Chox | http://www.mushroomnetworks.com/default.aspx |
| 21:24.14 | Rigolo | Chox: well ... compress it ... I always hear about better compression :-) .. use it |
| 21:24.20 | Chox | pfft. |
| 21:24.27 | Chox | lossy compression on my email? |
| 21:24.47 | Rigolo | noo .. your sollution ... compress that .. so it will fit in the FR :-) |
| 21:24.57 | Chox | uh huh. |
| 21:25.11 | Chox | well, it could actually run in FR. |
| 21:25.14 | Chox | but I CBA. |
| 21:26.11 | Rigolo | Chox: what happens when the connection when one line craps out ... you get drop packages etc ? but keeps on going? |
| 21:26.21 | Chox | packets :o |
| 21:26.31 | Rigolo | it;s late here ... |
| 21:26.31 | LionKMP | thanks all, I'll flash a newer image instead. maybe that has a simple network setup tool ;-) cya |
| 21:26.33 | Guilt | are there any decent alarm clock recommendations? |
| 21:26.41 | Chox | what happens depeonds upon whether it's one sidded or two, and the connection type. |
| 21:26.44 | Chox | sided |
| 21:27.32 | Rigolo | looks nice ... I worked for a computer retail shop .. where a dsl migration went wrong .. all shops without internet for 2 weeks |
| 21:27.38 | Chox | aw. |
| 21:27.53 | Rigolo | I suggested to use both dsl and cable .. and make them each others backup or something ... |
| 21:28.02 | Chox | or aggregate! hoorah! |
| 21:28.08 | Rigolo | sounds like you have a working sollution for what I proposed |
| 21:28.14 | *** part/#openmoko bkuhn (n=bkuhn@sflc/staff/conservancy.president.bkuhn) |
| 21:28.50 | Rigolo | (it was rejected ... to expensive to invest in cable ... not a residential connection ... so over 500 EUR to even get basic cable installed in some shops |
| 21:29.12 | Rigolo | Chox: and all based on linux I assume ;-) |
| 21:29.14 | Chox | you often can't get cable in commerical areas. |
| 21:29.34 | Chox | many of our customers have T1 + DSL, but D1 is slow and expensive |
| 21:29.39 | Chox | T1 |
| 21:29.43 | Rigolo | well .. retail shops down town ... cables everywhere here in .nl :-) |
| 21:30.24 | Rigolo | I think we have over 95% coverage with cable here ... same level as copper almost |
| 21:30.26 | ezekiel-v3 | Guilt: I bet atd/crond are installed |
| 21:30.31 | ezekiel-v3 | :) |
| 21:30.33 | *** join/#openmoko Filip (n=Filip@213.219.172.110.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net) |
| 21:31.25 | *** join/#openmoko |FiLiP| (n=Filip@213.219.172.110.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net) |
| 21:31.30 | ezekiel-v3 | "at" has always been the best alarm clock I could have |
| 21:31.41 | ezekiel-v3 | err, could find |
| 21:31.48 | Chox | moo. |
| 21:31.50 | Chox | laffs |
| 21:31.55 | Rigolo | uses the nokia alarmclock most of the time :-) |
| 21:32.04 | Guilt | ezekiel-v3: that's not good enough |
| 21:32.32 | Guilt | not when i'm going out and i don't have a ssh client |
| 21:32.45 | Zorkman | we have almost full cable coverage, but are mostly stuck with download volume caps |
| 21:32.48 | *** join/#openmoko almien (n=OJW@87-194-198-122.bethere.co.uk) |
| 21:32.54 | Guilt | and i'm not typing any shell commands in that termnial |
| 21:32.55 | Guilt | ;p |
| 21:32.58 | Chox | ah, the joy of Rogers |
| 21:33.09 | Chox | dammit, why hasn't anyone hacked the Roku NetFlix box yet? |
| 21:33.17 | Rigolo | Zorkman: well .. not really here in .nl .... |
| 21:33.33 | *** join/#openmoko ecraven (n=nex@plc31-103.linzag.net) |
| 21:33.33 | Zorkman | I know Rigolo, we belgians are jealous :) |
| 21:33.41 | Zorkman | llo ecraven |
| 21:34.02 | Rigolo | Zorkman: you are welcome to live here if you want .... :-) |
| 21:34.17 | ecraven | foo, i should *not* use ctrl-alt-delete in emacs under Xorg ;( |
| 21:34.55 | *** join/#openmoko behdad (n=behdad@216.18.1.210) |
| 21:36.00 | ecraven | whee, the right-click-emulation works (at least on my host) |
| 21:36.19 | Zorkman | hoora! |
| 21:36.23 | Zorkman | *uy |
| 21:36.24 | Rigolo | ecraven: how? |
| 21:36.32 | Zorkman | grr fingers are jumbled and its dark |
| 21:36.34 | Rigolo | as in .. what do you do to right click? |
| 21:36.39 | Zorkman | games! |
| 21:36.46 | ecraven | tap-and-hold for longer than 1 second |
| 21:37.19 | *** join/#openmoko ayeuu (n=ayeuu@tss37-1-82-228-161-185.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 21:38.28 | lip3 | hi, is the Freerunner able to show flash animations? (2007.2) |
| 21:38.42 | *** join/#openmoko leinir (n=leinir@amarok/usability/leinir) |
| 21:38.42 | Chox | heh, no. |
| 21:38.43 | ecraven | mplayer can play flash movies, i think |
| 21:39.03 | Chox | leinir! |
| 21:39.10 | linuxxr | need something reeeeel skinny |
| 21:39.16 | lip3 | but watching videos on youtube is impossible? |
| 21:39.22 | Zorkman | paris hilton? |
| 21:39.25 | Chox | no, just hard. |
| 21:39.27 | Rigolo | LOL |
| 21:39.45 | Zorkman | lip3: there are also mpeg (or some other format) feeds of youtube |
| 21:39.46 | linuxxr | too skinny |
| 21:39.56 | Rigolo | lip3: not even the iphone has flash at the moment ;-) |
| 21:40.01 | lip3 | okay, thanks to all |
| 21:40.11 | Chox | full screen flash, assuming gnash was complete, would be pushing CPU and graphics on FR |
| 21:40.17 | lip3 | i wont buy a iphone Rigolo ;) |
| 21:40.32 | Rigolo | and I will also not donate one to you :-) |
| 21:40.43 | lip3 | :) |
| 21:40.43 | Rigolo | to any one even -) |
| 21:40.49 | lip3 | np :D |
| 21:41.02 | lip3 | okay, thx for info mates |
| 21:41.05 | Rigolo | (before I create confusion and people start asking for iPhones) |
| 21:41.48 | Chox | iFlash |
| 21:42.08 | ecraven | hm.. even though right click works, the left click still gets through.. |
| 21:43.19 | Zorkman | ecraven: maybe you can look at how the keyboard of the ASU does it |
| 21:43.38 | ecraven | i can't remove events from the device ;( |
| 21:43.51 | ecraven | that would have to be implemented in the actual device driver (tslib?) |
| 21:43.52 | Zorkman | one press selects a letter, keep pressing it and it pops up a little zoomed in immage of the letter and it's surrounding letters so you can choose which one you want |
| 21:44.24 | *** join/#openmoko a_thing_ (n=notroot@libervis/athing) |
| 21:44.29 | Chox | its! |
| 21:44.30 | ecraven | Zorkman: that's different, because it's an application. i want to change the way clicks are generated |
| 21:44.31 | Chox | sigh! |
| 21:44.32 | *** join/#openmoko ahbritto_ (n=guest@adsl-69-104-91-160.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 21:44.53 | ecraven | anyway, late, going to bed, see you tomorrow ;) |
| 21:45.28 | Zorkman | bye |
| 21:46.55 | *** join/#openmoko zmoll (n=zack@82-38-58-131.cable.ubr05.brad.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 21:47.56 | *** join/#openmoko cnwdup (n=harlekin@hnvr-4dbd45e7.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 21:50.17 | *** join/#openmoko lextul (n=thomas@212.122.41.52) |
| 21:50.17 | Rigolo | is also going to get some zzzzzzz |
| 21:51.31 | *** join/#openmoko sitwon (n=adam@static-71-166-233-112.washdc.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:52.40 | *** join/#openmoko christooss (n=matic@BSN-95-213-154.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 21:54.54 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.14 | *** join/#openmoko wipf (n=wipf@dslb-084-056-231-090.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 21:56.32 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf4e22aeeeeab 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: |
| 21:56.32 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: silence home zone cell broadcasts while in suspend |
| 21:56.32 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: This should (hopefully) be the last reason for spurious wakeups... |
| 21:57.38 | ieatlint | ok, i just got back from costco with 2 cases of beer and a case of coke... party at my place |
| 21:57.42 | mjr | well good if that's controllable from outside the gsm chip... |
| 21:59.10 | Zorkman | ieatlint: i've got some good quality whiskey, grappa and wodka and some belgian beer; better hold that party here :) |
| 21:59.50 | ieatlint | define good quality whiskey? |
| 22:00.06 | ieatlint | i've got a bottle of glenlivet 18 year scotch |
| 22:00.21 | Chox | ieatlint: yes, but where are you? |
| 22:00.22 | Zorkman | lagavulin 16y old |
| 22:00.34 | ieatlint | Chocky: a lot closer to you than belgium |
| 22:00.36 | ieatlint | san francisco |
| 22:00.46 | Zorkman | (and a speyside 14y |
| 22:00.57 | ieatlint | what kinda of belgian beer? |
| 22:00.58 | Chox | could catch a flight and be there this evening ;-) |
| 22:01.05 | Yashy | speyside is a region, not a scotch |
| 22:01.21 | *** join/#openmoko mickey|away (i=mickey@openmoko/coreteam/mickey) |
| 22:01.41 | *** join/#openmoko WorldDomination (n=World@d54C1C223.access.telenet.be) |
| 22:01.41 | Zorkman | don't know the name by heart, got it a whila ago as a present something with islay in it i think, to lasy to go to the closet :) |
| 22:03.06 | Yashy | is an admitted scotch and beer snob |
| 22:03.36 | ieatlint | i am a bit of a beer snob |
| 22:03.51 | *** part/#openmoko christooss (n=matic@BSN-95-213-154.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 22:04.03 | ieatlint | and i like good whiskey and scotch, but i don't have the money to exceed the ~$50 bottle range |
| 22:05.09 | *** join/#openmoko christooss (n=matic@BSN-95-213-154.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 22:05.30 | Zorkman | don't know about the alcohol prices of whiskey in the USA, how much did you pay for the glenlivit? |
| 22:05.48 | Chox | bevmo.cpom |
| 22:05.50 | Chox | bevmo.com |
| 22:06.06 | *** join/#openmoko jadams (n=jadams@71-12-179-96.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) |
| 22:06.20 | jadams | so asu....I have no keyboard with which to send text messages |
| 22:08.45 | Zorkman | seems it costs about the same |
| 22:09.10 | peter_b | hi |
| 22:09.13 | ieatlint | Zorkman: $48 at costco |
| 22:09.16 | ieatlint | 750ml of course |
| 22:09.30 | peter_b | anyone running the current asu ? |
| 22:10.10 | *** join/#openmoko rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@ip-89-102-255-171.karneval.cz) |
| 22:10.10 | *** part/#openmoko tedo (n=cta@HSI-KBW-091-089-243-140.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 22:11.52 | *** join/#openmoko slchen (n=slchen@61-62-214-4-adsl-tao.dynamic.so-net.net.tw) |
| 22:11.58 | ieatlint | but yeah, bevmo.com is what californians pay for alcohol, with a ~8% sales tax on top |
| 22:12.12 | Chox | +CRV |
| 22:12.20 | ieatlint | there's no crv on a bottle of whiskey |
| 22:12.25 | Chox | right |
| 22:12.27 | *** join/#openmoko freelock (n=john@c-24-18-128-224.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 22:12.38 | Chox | plus $8 if it has > certain size LCD |
| 22:12.52 | ieatlint | crv is a bottle deposit though, $0.08/bottle for bottles/cans |
| 22:13.09 | Chox | thought it was only 5c |
| 22:13.43 | ieatlint | it went up methinks |
| 22:13.55 | Chox | well, that's probably for the best |
| 22:14.12 | *** join/#openmoko ruoso (n=ruoso@201009046064.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 22:14.22 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.31 | ieatlint | nope, you're right 5 cents for under 24oz, 10 cents for over 24oz |
| 22:14.42 | Chox | :o |
| 22:14.46 | Chox | don't forget the LCD |
| 22:14.55 | *** part/#openmoko gargoyle_grin (n=randerso@12-217-56-11.client.mchsi.com) |
| 22:15.05 | Chox | FR LCD is too small to have recycling fee |
| 22:15.31 | Chox | just think of all that ipod landfill :o |
| 22:15.33 | ieatlint | and lcd doesn't have a crv ... that's different |
| 22:15.41 | ieatlint | it's not a deposit for the lcd fee |
| 22:15.41 | Chox | I know, I was being silly |
| 22:16.01 | Chox | unless your whiskey really does have an LCD |
| 22:16.13 | ieatlint | i never realised how crazy our taxes were until i visited europe |
| 22:16.39 | ieatlint | how it says $3.99, but then you add sales tax and then perhaps a bottle deposit, but if it's certain types of food there's no tax and so forth... hehe |
| 22:16.42 | Chox | we have taxes to protect us against other taxes |
| 22:16.43 | jadams | how do I bring up illume's keyboard in the asu? |
| 22:16.52 | Chox | it's the same in the UK |
| 22:16.59 | Chox | well, nearly |
| 22:17.14 | ieatlint | it's not the price, it's the fact that the tax is added on at the register here |
| 22:17.22 | ieatlint | VAT is included in the advertised price |
| 22:17.23 | Guilt | okay all |
| 22:17.25 | Guilt | g'night |
| 22:17.25 | Chox | stuff is mostly labelled what you pay. Most things in the grocery store don't have VAT |
| 22:17.55 | Chox | but there's plenty of tax to be paid |
| 22:18.07 | ieatlint | for the UK, food doesn't unless it's junk food |
| 22:18.41 | Zorkman | in belgium it does |
| 22:19.02 | Chox | and things like children's clothes are except |
| 22:19.07 | Chox | excempt |
| 22:19.07 | *** join/#openmoko t_s_o (n=tso@227.84-49-129.nextgentel.com) |
| 22:19.13 | Zorkman | there are store for restaurants etc where the prices are reported as without VAT, but in normal shops everything is VAT included |
| 22:20.01 | ieatlint | simpler when you actually pay the price you see :P |
| 22:20.02 | Chox | if you buy something from an online UK store from outside the EU, you get VAT off the price. |
| 22:20.27 | ieatlint | yep, the EU does VAT refunds for visitors too |
| 22:20.36 | Chox | but most don't bother :p |
| 22:20.56 | ieatlint | i have a couple of times... but yeah, it's kinda annoying |
| 22:21.19 | Chox | so, when is someone going to hack Linux on the Roku netflix box? |
| 22:21.33 | Chox | don't tell me I'll have to get one and do it myself. |
| 22:21.41 | Chox | bet it has a serial port on the PCB |
| 22:25.01 | Yashy | picked up 2 bottles of Macallan 18 and a bottle of Bruichladdich 18 when I was in Edmonton a couple weeks ago :) (cheaper than BC) |
| 22:25.50 | Yashy | for beer, I brew it myself (allgrain mash) |
| 22:25.57 | Yashy | (usually) |
| 22:27.04 | *** join/#openmoko josch (n=josch@host140.natpool.mwn.de) |
| 22:27.07 | alex-weej | is moko using telepathy for gsm voice calling? |
| 22:27.26 | Zorkman | :) |
| 22:27.42 | leinir | Nope, doesn't have nearly enough hype behind it to be taken into consideration for serious use ;) |
| 22:27.56 | leinir | (in other words: i like it, but it's not used ;) ) |
| 22:28.27 | Chox | still in beta-testing. |
| 22:28.38 | Chox | but not very promising. Seems to be all hype. |
| 22:31.09 | *** part/#openmoko dcordes (n=dcordes@unaffiliated/dcordes) |
| 22:33.52 | *** join/#openmoko jagernot (n=jag@82-43-145-27.cable.ubr02.nmal.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 22:35.30 | *** join/#openmoko Guilt (n=Karthik@allegro/user/Guilt) |
| 22:35.57 | Guilt | hey. can someone build this for me: http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/60/openmoko-panel-alarm-0.1.tar.gz |
| 22:36.00 | Guilt | ? |
| 22:36.02 | Guilt | i require gtkmm/whole lot of things :( |
| 22:38.51 | *** join/#openmoko Selveste1 (n=Selveste@85.235.243.199) |
| 22:40.17 | *** join/#openmoko death-row (n=pierre@217.20.125.101) |
| 22:41.09 | Yashy | Where can I see if there are plans to add libnet to the next version of toolchain? |
| 22:41.20 | Yashy | err libdnet |
| 22:41.57 | *** join/#openmoko testsvr01 (n=tom@cpe-72-134-63-157.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 22:42.35 | *** join/#openmoko jancona (n=jancona@pool-70-19-243-115.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 22:43.34 | *** join/#openmoko Gnutoo (n=gnutoo@host253-186-dynamic.37-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 22:46.23 | Zorkman | no Yashy, sorry; but i did learn how gooses learned to fly... |
| 22:47.47 | Yashy | ../libtool: line 6114: arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-ranlib: command not found yet I have it: |
| 22:47.55 | Chox | aw, diddums. |
| 22:48.01 | Chox | karma's a bitch |
| 22:48.10 | Yashy | ./home/yashy/moko/build/tmp/cross/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-ranlib |
| 22:48.21 | Yashy | ./usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-ranlib |
| 22:48.31 | Yashy | do I just add that to $PATH? |
| 22:49.04 | Yashy | or tell om-conf about it? |
| 22:49.17 | Yashy | (can't find a man page or any docs for om-conf) |
| 22:49.30 | *** join/#openmoko mmaestri (i=c9fe57e1@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8a9ff64179671942) |
| 22:49.42 | Zorkman | wb mmaestri |
| 22:49.56 | mmaestri | thx Zorkman |
| 22:52.50 | mmaestri | any news? |
| 22:53.10 | Zorkman | seems like raster fixed the keyboard stuff in asu, you can now choose apparently |
| 22:53.23 | Zorkman | also someone posted a fix for the problems with opkg upgrade |
| 22:53.25 | Yashy | http://pastebin.com/mef828d5 |
| 22:54.07 | mmaestri | how is asu behaving right now? last time i've tried it was slooow |
| 22:54.34 | peter_b | the current asu is looking really good |
| 22:54.54 | *** join/#openmoko retracile (n=eli@76-204-213-211.lightspeed.allntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:54.56 | mmaestri | is it faster enough to not complain about it? |
| 22:55.16 | Zorkman | peter_b: you opkg upgraded it? |
| 22:55.39 | peter_b | it is fast enough for me |
| 22:55.42 | peter_b | yo |
| 22:56.05 | Zorkman | and you already rebooted? |
| 22:56.13 | peter_b | twice :-) |
| 22:56.16 | Zorkman | nice |
| 22:56.20 | Zorkman | keyboard working? |
| 22:56.23 | Zorkman | exposure working? |
| 22:56.39 | peter_b | exposure is fine :-) |
| 22:56.49 | peter_b | keyboard only for asu apps |
| 22:56.59 | peter_b | but a very nice new one :-) |
| 22:57.07 | Zorkman | (did you have to fix anything, like removing your .e directory; changing your illume.Edj file...) |
| 22:57.29 | peter_b | cant choose the keyboard yet |
| 22:57.55 | peter_b | changed the theme but i have to wait till i can restart |
| 22:58.04 | peter_b | (doing a backup atm) |
| 22:58.27 | peter_b | i did the stuff from the #1678 ticket |
| 22:59.12 | DaveLab | Howdy ya'll |
| 22:59.21 | Chox | DL. |
| 22:59.47 | Zorkman | llo |
| 23:01.00 | mmaestri | peter_b: has a shell now? |
| 23:01.00 | DaveLab | Behold, for I am the Demolisher of Software! |
| 23:01.12 | DaveLab | $ i can haz shell? :p |
| 23:01.42 | Zorkman | Destroyer of worlds, eater of pies |
| 23:01.46 | DaveLab | :D |
| 23:01.51 | DaveLab | high-fives Zorkman |
| 23:02.08 | mjr | I have become death. Eater of pie. |
| 23:02.16 | DaveLab | Cherry? :D |
| 23:02.18 | Zorkman | thats it :) |
| 23:02.57 | Zorkman | wishes he could animate like that.... |
| 23:03.02 | peter_b | <mmaestri> : i dont have a terminal atm |
| 23:03.30 | leinir | No need to... Just watch Billy & Mandy ;) |
| 23:03.36 | Zorkman | peter_b: openmoko-terminal2 (or something that resembelce ità |
| 23:03.53 | peter_b | have to get the keyboeard first |
| 23:03.56 | Zorkman | yeah but my flash looks like a three-years-old hit some random buttons :) |
| 23:04.01 | peter_b | otherwise it would be useless |
| 23:04.02 | DaveLab | uh oh |
| 23:04.24 | DaveLab | Leinir ¬_¬ |
| 23:04.36 | *** join/#openmoko christooss (n=matic@BSN-95-213-154.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 23:04.44 | mmaestri | the qtopia image had a nice shell, someone could port that to qtopia-x11... :p |
| 23:05.37 | DaveLab | hah! |
| 23:06.25 | DaveLab | yeah, sure, why not! |
| 23:06.26 | DaveLab | it's already a grabbag anyway :p |
| 23:06.26 | DaveLab | mix 'n match |
| 23:06.26 | Chox | dave 'n chox |
| 23:06.26 | Zorkman | everody like a cocktail now and then |
| 23:06.26 | Zorkman | *likes |
| 23:06.32 | Zorkman | damn too much spelling mistakes to correct :) |
| 23:07.13 | leinir | mmaestri: There's a really funny error in the qtopia terminal, though, the cursor thinks the font it's using is mono-spaced, and the font is actually variable-spaced... looks kinda funny ;) |
| 23:07.14 | mmaestri | behold, for i am about to make a stupid question |
| 23:07.59 | Zorkman | yes, it's not me for once! |
| 23:08.50 | *** join/#openmoko nadio (n=nobody@about/philosophy/nadio) |
| 23:09.07 | nadio | Anyone know if there are any shiny chassis avaible for freeruner? |
| 23:09.13 | nadio | that look like LG Prada ? |
| 23:09.28 | Zorkman | mmaestri: ask it quick before you find the answer yourself and then you can't make chox laugh :) |
| 23:10.03 | mmaestri | Zorkman: ok, i'm finding the right words to make laugh everyone |
| 23:10.14 | leinirAWAY | nadio: No cases for it yet :) |
| 23:10.23 | mmaestri | will the freerunner have a real fast gui at some point? |
| 23:10.35 | mmaestri | with any of the images? |
| 23:10.35 | Yashy | http://pastebin.com/m6999214 if anyone cares to look, having issues with make install (make worked) |
| 23:10.46 | Zorkman | i find the u-boot quite snappy and responsive |
| 23:10.55 | Chox | Yashy: just look at the random stuff on your wiki. I'm sure it's there. |
| 23:11.26 | *** join/#openmoko smhar (n=Home@193.188.117.67) |
| 23:12.03 | *** join/#openmoko peepsalot (n=peeps@cpe-67-9-161-48.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 23:13.40 | mmaestri | Zorkman: nothing worst for a stupid question than noone trying to answer, even in a sarcastic way |
| 23:13.52 | Zorkman | i don't answer because i know nothing :) |
| 23:14.01 | Zorkman | qtopia is quite fast, but that does not run x |
| 23:14.12 | Chox | apathy rules ok! |
| 23:14.24 | Chox | but you did answer :p |
| 23:14.37 | *** part/#openmoko nadio (n=nobody@about/philosophy/nadio) |
| 23:14.37 | Zorkman | yeah, it never really stops me :p |
| 23:14.48 | Chox | against suggests some restraint. |
| 23:14.55 | mmaestri | i meant with x |
| 23:14.58 | mjr | mmaestri, such that it'll react quickly to basic phone operations? perhaps. More than that is unrealistic, for all the application loading and stuff |
| 23:15.15 | Zorkman | it will get better but since i'm no developper, i can't say to what extent it probably will improve, you're guess is better than mine probably |
| 23:15.25 | Chox | see. |
| 23:16.50 | mjr | (the former you do with having basic phone apps in memory constantly ready, and optimizing those) |
| 23:19.01 | *** join/#openmoko phrozen77 (n=phrozen7@unaffiliated/phrozen77) |
| 23:21.32 | Yashy | looking for make install help (I've added more) http://pastebin.com/m452a4e59 |
| 23:29.06 | Yashy | doh figured it out. sudo didn't have the environment |
| 23:29.31 | Marcel_M | Yashy: you can find a nmap ipk on my rep http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/ |
| 23:31.39 | Zorkman | Marcel_M: you made wifi-radar for freerunner? |
| 23:32.11 | Marcel_M | Zorkman: no i have just copiled |
| 23:32.35 | Marcel_M | compiled* |
| 23:33.12 | Zorkman | thanks for that |
| 23:33.27 | Marcel_M | you are welcome :) |
| 23:34.20 | *** join/#openmoko SpeedEvil (n=jkfjkfkf@mauve.plus.com) |
| 23:35.31 | richiefrich | when is the openmoko site suppososet to have more phone ? |
| 23:35.43 | richiefrich | it says 25th and thats long past |
| 23:36.42 | *** join/#openmoko zeno___ (n=zeno@c-75-70-202-80.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 23:38.17 | *** join/#openmoko behdad (n=behdad@216.18.1.210) |
| 23:38.39 | *** part/#openmoko behdad (n=behdad@216.18.1.210) |
| 23:40.12 | Yashy | Marcel_M: thanks, you probably just saved me hours :) |
| 23:40.57 | Marcel_M | Yashy: np nice to see that the rep is helpful |
| 23:41.39 | Zorkman | Marcel_M: it is. don't remember what it was i needed, but I have used it also |
| 23:41.59 | Marcel_M | Zorkman: thanks :) |
| 23:42.45 | *** part/#openmoko zmoll (n=zack@82-38-58-131.cable.ubr05.brad.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 23:43.08 | Yashy | Marcel_M: Do you have an opkg.conf? |
| 23:43.37 | Marcel_M | Yashy: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/celtune-rabenfrost.conf |
| 23:44.34 | Marcel_M | you need to remove the om-gta01 lines if you use it on the fr |
| 23:47.42 | *** join/#openmoko fulgas5 (n=fn@a81-84-101-131.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 23:48.45 | Yashy | Marcel_M: http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner#Adding_repositories |
| 23:48.57 | Yashy | Build a handy page for everytime I start over, which steps to follow :) |
| 23:49.01 | Yashy | Built rather |
| 23:49.34 | *** join/#openmoko bbb8 (n=bbb8@89.211.89.69) |
| 23:49.39 | *** join/#openmoko batti112 (n=batti@p5B14C24F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:49.46 | Marcel_M | Yashy: nice :) |
| 23:51.13 | bbb8 | any idea when the next batch of shipment gonn arrive? |
| 23:51.24 | Marcel_M | Yashy: but i think you need the neo1973 line (neod is in there) |
| 23:51.34 | bbb8 | on the webstore? |
| 23:51.54 | Yashy | Marcel_M: The neo1973 for the freerunner? |
| 23:52.30 | *** join/#openmoko blackthorne_ (n=blacktho@unaffiliated/blackthorne) |
| 23:52.41 | Marcel_M | i think the fr uses the neod and its in there |
| 23:53.04 | Marcel_M | (2007.2 uses it i think) |
| 23:54.08 | Yashy | http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner#Adding_repositories |
| 23:54.11 | Yashy | Is that better/ |
| 23:55.14 | Marcel_M | Yashy: hehe yes thank you ;) |
| 23:56.29 | Yashy | Thanks to you! |
| 23:57.34 | Yashy | aircrack, kismet, all the fun toys. |
| 23:57.50 | richiefrich | ?? |
| 23:58.04 | richiefrich | no noe |
| 23:58.05 | richiefrich | one |
| 23:58.08 | richiefrich | :( |
| 23:58.33 | Yashy | richiefrich: I missed your question? |
| 23:58.47 | richiefrich | when is the openmoko site suppososet to have more phone ? it says 25th and thats long past |
| 23:59.04 | richiefrich | so like next year ? |
| 23:59.10 | richiefrich | next centry ? |
| 23:59.27 | richiefrich | or should i just get another open source phone |
| 23:59.31 | richiefrich | :\ |
