| 00:00.00 | tkep | ;) |
| 00:00.07 | orzo | tkep, i have a neo1973 |
| 00:00.15 | tkep | orzo, i would assume it's no different |
| 00:00.28 | bobkare | shouldn't matter as it's software |
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| 00:00.31 | tkep | linuxxr, i didn't do much, but thanks |
| 00:00.46 | mak163 | hello all |
| 00:00.55 | orzo | what will happen to the current keyboard? |
| 00:01.07 | tkep | goes away |
| 00:01.16 | orzo | maybe i should ssh -X to teh neo for now |
| 00:01.17 | orzo | heh |
| 00:01.35 | tkep | to get the current one back, reverse the steps basically. remove the matchbox one and then install the multi-tap |
| 00:01.37 | Chocky | alias sshneo='ssh -X root@neo' |
| 00:01.40 | tkep | :) |
| 00:02.08 | tkep | ok, time to run for now |
| 00:02.10 | tkep | back later |
| 00:02.13 | tkep | take it easy guys |
| 00:02.27 | orzo | what's the usual location for maps on /media/card ? |
| 00:02.48 | Chocky | well, the default for tangogps seems to be /tmp, but you could probably put it anywhere you wanted. |
| 00:03.34 | Chocky | heh, story. |
| 00:03.40 | orzo | is /tmp persistent? |
| 00:03.44 | Chocky | nope |
| 00:03.54 | orzo | well i dont have internet on the go |
| 00:04.02 | orzo | i ought to have cached maps tho |
| 00:04.18 | Chocky | Was at Costco. Wife's Razr is dying, and 2 year contract is up. Guy at the booth mention that very few phones are sold now without a camera. |
| 00:04.30 | Chocky | yes. |
| 00:04.32 | Chocky | indeed. |
| 00:04.37 | linuxxr | Y or I : install the package maintainer's version |
| 00:04.38 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.46 | Chocky | what is the file? |
| 00:05.08 | linuxxr | this is on opkg upgrade |
| 00:05.19 | Chocky | yes, but what is the file it's mooing at? |
| 00:05.24 | Chocky | bets /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:05.47 | linuxxr | /etc/pulse/default.pa |
| 00:05.51 | linuxxr | i think |
| 00:05.51 | Chocky | hum. |
| 00:06.05 | Chocky | unless you change that deliberately, Y is the best bet |
| 00:06.14 | linuxxr | The default action is to keep your current version. |
| 00:08.25 | orzo | damn it |
| 00:08.35 | orzo | i keep trying to set the cache dir via the gui and it keeps setting it back |
| 00:08.39 | Chocky | aw. |
| 00:08.46 | orzo | why is it doing that |
| 00:09.01 | Chocky | cos it's buggy? |
| 00:09.42 | orzo | damn |
| 00:09.49 | orzo | is there a config file i can edit |
| 00:10.03 | Chocky | is there a question mark you can use |
| 00:10.09 | orzo | smart ass |
| 00:10.24 | Chocky | True, sorry for asking for clarity. |
| 00:10.31 | orzo | that you determined a question mark was called for shows it was unnecessary |
| 00:10.37 | Chocky | oh please. |
| 00:10.51 | Chocky | my answering is unnecessary also. |
| 00:11.09 | orzo | ya |
| 00:11.11 | orzo | dont bother |
| 00:11.18 | Chocky | I wont (sic) |
| 00:11.48 | trix | hi chocky |
| 00:11.52 | Chocky | trix. |
| 00:11.55 | trix | how goes the wiki editing |
| 00:12.07 | trix | usb networking does look a lot better |
| 00:12.42 | Chocky | I will improve the Debian page once I am sure of some issues. |
| 00:13.11 | ||Leto|| | uhm iirc there's webkit running on the fr |
| 00:13.22 | Chocky | sighs. Who gives a pansy about Jobs |
| 00:13.28 | ||Leto|| | does it have support for jpeg2000? |
| 00:13.29 | Chocky | about Jobs' health |
| 00:14.00 | kd8ikt | has a jobs voodoo doll |
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| 00:15.36 | micr0c0sm | is there a speed test thread for the freerunner, for uploads and downloads on different networks with different plans? |
| 00:17.01 | Chocky | make one ;-) |
| 00:18.25 | Chocky | uploads on the same network can be highly variable, however. depends on time of day, range from tower, etc. |
| 00:18.54 | micr0c0sm | well, i dont have one yet, but was wondering if it is viable to stream flac to them |
| 00:19.07 | micr0c0sm | at around 500kbps |
| 00:19.15 | micr0c0sm | or even mp3 at half that rate |
| 00:19.21 | Chocky | that sounds too high for GSM uploads |
| 00:19.42 | Chocky | MP3 is more reasonable at 128Kbps |
| 00:20.03 | micr0c0sm | i mean to download, not upload |
| 00:20.19 | micr0c0sm | so if i have a music server, could I use the freerunner to play my music in the car remotely |
| 00:20.29 | Chocky | ah, FLAC might work, just. MP3 would be more than fine. |
| 00:20.32 | micr0c0sm | its not edge compatable, right? |
| 00:20.42 | Chocky | suggests a question mark for you also. |
| 00:20.55 | micr0c0sm | well flac is normally around 750kbps, but lossyflac is ~400 |
| 00:21.11 | Chocky | I think you'd be best simply getting an 8GB microSD |
| 00:21.52 | micr0c0sm | thats awesome that it is out of stock - i got to play with one last week at hope and it was surprisingly smaller than the pictures made it seem |
| 00:22.00 | micr0c0sm | need to use bigger hand models :-p |
| 00:22.34 | micr0c0sm | i have my 60gb ipod full of my own ripped cds... |
| 00:23.01 | micr0c0sm | I could wait for the next revision, hoping that 3g would be supported |
| 00:23.04 | Chocky | well, use your ipod in the car :p |
| 00:23.06 | micr0c0sm | but that kinda stinks |
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| 00:23.42 | micr0c0sm | It would be cool if I could decouple my media from my devices, given that my devices were capable enough (hardware and software wise) to access that media from anywhere |
| 00:24.15 | micr0c0sm | I could have the media server provide a shoutcast stream that transcodes to an acceptable kbps on the fly, and just request song changes after browsing through ssh |
| 00:24.22 | micr0c0sm | that would be hot |
| 00:24.23 | Chocky | well, assuming you have an unlimited data plan, I don't see any problem with streaming. |
| 00:27.45 | kd8ikt | i still havent mest with gprs |
| 00:28.17 | Chocky | suggests "messed" |
| 00:28.28 | kd8ikt | i dont think i need a speciall password or anything i just need to dial a certian number |
| 00:28.50 | Chocky | Then what magic is supposed to happen? |
| 00:28.58 | kd8ikt | i dunno |
| 00:29.20 | paulproteus | Howdy dudes. What's a reasonable-battery-life image one can flash? |
| 00:29.29 | Chocky | heh. none of them :o |
| 00:29.30 | paulproteus | (For a FreeRunner/GTA02.) I've been out of the loop for a few weeks. |
| 00:29.32 | trix | you'll definitely want the 8gb microSD if you want the english version of wikipedia on your neo :) |
| 00:29.39 | Chocky | battery life is a work in progress. |
| 00:29.40 | paulproteus | Zing! )-: |
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| 00:29.58 | kd8ikt | and progreee sucks |
| 00:30.08 | Chocky | or you could just use a browser :p |
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| 00:42.49 | orzo | i know why it wasnt setting the config |
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| 00:44.31 | SpeedEvil | On frequency allocation. |
| 00:44.33 | SpeedEvil | Pretty poster. |
| 00:44.35 | SpeedEvil | http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/GSM_WorldFreqBands2006A.pdf |
| 00:44.48 | SpeedEvil | (global distribution) |
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| 00:56.16 | linuxxr | lottsa new stuff:) |
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| 01:01.32 | MadTBone | is there any particular reason that sig checks still fail when updating repos? |
| 01:02.13 | Chocky | cos no one has fixed it yet. |
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| 01:05.26 | kd8ikt | there arent any signatures... |
| 01:05.53 | MadTBone | Chocky: should have been more specific... is there any particular reason that no one has fixed it (ie. no reason to implement ... plans to move away from opkg ... too busy watching reruns of "I Dream of Genie" ... ) |
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| 01:06.04 | kd8ikt | it really doesnt matter thats like not doing an md5sum of your file before you extract it |
| 01:06.38 | kd8ikt | dont let it keep you up at night |
| 01:07.14 | kd8ikt | more important things need to be done |
| 01:07.21 | kd8ikt | like suspend/resume |
| 01:07.53 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: ha! I know. it's just a bit bothersome to see such an easy fix go unattended...better things to do though, I suppose |
| 01:07.56 | MadTBone | right |
| 01:08.25 | MadTBone | I'd sell my first born for suspend/resume |
| 01:08.45 | MadTBone | well....that may be a bit extreme... |
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| 01:10.46 | Yanroy | what's wrong with suspend/resume? except for non-phone sound after resume |
| 01:11.42 | kd8ikt | mine doesnt resume correctly i get a white screen |
| 01:11.53 | kd8ikt | everytime |
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| 01:13.02 | kd8ikt | i think i could deal with nosound one might fix by rmmod all the sound kernel modules and modprobe them |
| 01:13.19 | kd8ikt | but i cant get that far |
| 01:14.36 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: what image are you using? |
| 01:15.00 | kd8ikt | 2007.2 OM |
| 01:15.46 | kd8ikt | drop a script in /etc/apm/resume.d/ i'd think to rm the modules and reinsert them |
| 01:15.47 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: and you get a white screen on resume?? I've seen something similar with Qtopia (upstream) .... but not 2007.2 |
| 01:16.03 | kd8ikt | maybe my board is broke |
| 01:17.44 | mwester-trip | That problem has been reported before; it appears to be a race condition somewhere. Probably not faulty hardware, just the usual faulty software somewhere. |
| 01:18.34 | kd8ikt | i sent an email to the mailinglist support@openmoko |
| 01:18.48 | kd8ikt | had a lil log of dmesg/logread with it |
| 01:18.55 | kd8ikt | dunno if that helps |
| 01:19.31 | kd8ikt | http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/aftersleep.logread |
| 01:20.37 | kd8ikt | bottom half |
| 01:20.50 | kd8ikt | wait didnt i show you already mwester? |
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| 01:23.16 | Yanroy | is there a notes application available? preferably something that would let me easily keep a shopping list on the FR |
| 01:23.25 | Yanroy | it would be nice if I could write (draw) on the screen too |
| 01:23.47 | Yanroy | I had a really nice note application on my old pocket pc |
| 01:24.21 | kd8ikt | mtpaint ? its a bit overkill but fun to play with |
| 01:24.40 | kd8ikt | something like that but simpler would be nice |
| 01:25.12 | railer | I install mtpaint but it never showed up |
| 01:25.23 | railer | installed |
| 01:25.43 | kd8ikt | think you need to run it from terminal |
| 01:25.52 | Yanroy | kd8ikt: well, if it doesn't exist, maybe I'll create it to teach myself how to code on this thing... it's probably the simplest app that I can make :P |
| 01:25.54 | railer | ah |
| 01:26.14 | railer | we need pong still |
| 01:26.16 | kd8ikt | it's missing a /usr/share/applications/mt.desktop launcher |
| 01:26.54 | kd8ikt | one could easilly jimmy rig a simple launcher that can be found in the app list |
| 01:27.24 | railer | ya ill look to be honest, I forgot about it |
| 01:29.12 | xmpp | do 3.5mm plug headsets function well with an adapter on the freerunner? suggestions for good 3.5mm to 2.5mm adapter? |
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| 01:32.42 | railer | so anyhow mtpaint works:-D |
| 01:33.11 | Yanroy | nice... but I already gave up on going grocery shopping tonight :P |
| 01:33.14 | xmpp | the 2.5mm jack must be changed to a 3.5mm on next versions of the neo freerunner. because of the iphone, all the best headsets now use a 3.5mm interface. also, people's favorite headphones could be used with the device |
| 01:33.19 | Yanroy | I'll just make corn bread instead |
| 01:35.30 | donomo | xmpp: its amazing the 2.5mm jack was used at all. maybe its popular in taiwan |
| 01:35.58 | xmpp | i totally don't understand this decision |
| 01:36.56 | Yanroy | it does seem pretty stupid... there was only one valid point made in its favor: headsets with 2.5mm jacks are smaller and lighter than their 3.5mm counterparts, in general |
| 01:37.16 | Yanroy | which is a consequence of the favorite invalid point in its favor: everyone's doing it! |
| 01:37.55 | Yanroy | also, there may have been some issues with having a 4th conductor for a mic with a 3.5mm... dunno exactly, it's been a long time since I read that ML thread |
| 01:38.48 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rd01203ace449 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): ogpsd: Implement the gypsy control interface. Navit now works with the gypsy source |
| 01:39.59 | xmpp | i was looking for a 2.5mm headset but they all suck compared to what's offered for the iphone... |
| 01:40.08 | Yanroy | that reminds me... tangoGPS is a really awesome app. does it do turn-by-turn directions, or just show you a map? |
| 01:40.28 | Yanroy | xmpp: why not bluetooth? I plan on getting a decent bluetooth headset once it works reliably |
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| 01:40.37 | SpeedEvil | Yanroy: moving map |
| 01:40.55 | kd8ikt | navit is for turn by turn i believe |
| 01:41.13 | kd8ikt | like a tomtom |
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| 01:41.34 | xmpp | i'll probably get a bluetooth one too, but it'll always loose some quality for music and use more battery power |
| 01:41.49 | Yanroy | SpeedEvil: that's what I was afraid of... but it seems like it would be a simple matter to make it navigate, since it already has all the data |
| 01:41.53 | kd8ikt | thats funny as soon as i saw the tomtom i thought it stupid till i heard about the linux part |
| 01:42.02 | SpeedEvil | Yanroy: err - not really. |
| 01:42.05 | Yanroy | efficient routing algorithms are complicated and CPU-intensive, but I bet we could make something usable' |
| 01:42.20 | SpeedEvil | Yanroy: the problem is that the tiles are not the underlying data. |
| 01:42.25 | SpeedEvil | Yanroy: there are several issues. |
| 01:42.27 | xmpp | shure and etymotic both make great 3.5mm jack headsets, i'm kind of annoyed |
| 01:42.28 | Yanroy | SpeedEvil: what do you mean? |
| 01:43.03 | SpeedEvil | A) Turn restriction dattdata is simply not present in the OSM database. |
| 01:43.07 | kd8ikt | it has to read the street lines tango just displays it |
| 01:43.31 | SpeedEvil | B) It has to parse and present the database - which is currently a 60Gish chunk of XML. |
| 01:43.43 | SpeedEvil | C) the actual routing algorithm. |
| 01:43.45 | xmpp | how to change the screen lock? the little ball to slide to the top almost looks nice until it actually slides and looks all squarish and fugly as if hardware specs cannot handle a round shape. |
| 01:43.46 | kd8ikt | whoah |
| 01:44.16 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Display_Locker |
| 01:44.27 | xmpp | thx |
| 01:44.33 | kd8ikt | isnt there a bot in here? |
| 01:44.35 | kd8ikt | !GSM |
| 01:44.46 | SpeedEvil | GSM is the Global Standard for Mobile telephony. |
| 01:44.54 | kd8ikt | not you damnit |
| 01:44.56 | SpeedEvil | A widespread standard used in most countries. |
| 01:45.15 | kd8ikt | i coulda swore there was a hellp bot |
| 01:45.24 | SpeedEvil | !help |
| 01:45.32 | SpeedEvil | Don't think so. |
| 01:45.37 | SpeedEvil | ~gsm |
| 01:45.38 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, gsm is a codec, operating at approx 13kbps up/down. four bands worldwide. 850/900/1900/1800MHz. Freerunner comes in two variants, one supporting 900, one 850. 900 is used in europe, and 850 in US. The other two bands in both. |
| 01:45.41 | SpeedEvil | ~GSM |
| 01:45.41 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, gsm is a codec, operating at approx 13kbps up/down. four bands worldwide. 850/900/1900/1800MHz. Freerunner comes in two variants, one supporting 900, one 850. 900 is used in europe, and 850 in US. The other two bands in both. |
| 01:45.48 | kd8ikt | a hah |
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| 01:46.28 | kd8ikt | now how do we teach it stuff |
| 01:47.32 | kd8ikt | ~learn Display_locker http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Display_Locker |
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| 01:48.00 | nullpuppy | apt: Display_Locker is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Display_Locker |
| 01:48.00 | apt | okay, nullpuppy |
| 01:48.14 | nullpuppy | ~Display_Locker |
| 01:48.14 | apt | from memory, display_locker is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Display_Locker |
| 01:48.15 | kd8ikt | nice |
| 01:48.28 | nullpuppy | thats how ;) |
| 01:48.34 | kd8ikt | ~usbnet |
| 01:48.35 | apt | usbnet is, like, at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking or and usbnet in 2.4.18 (desktop) is broken, you want to use > 2.4.19-pre2 or see windows usbnet for windows support or a patched version is at http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/usbnet/, or at http://zorian.kicks-ass.org/files/usbnet-2.4.21-rc7.tar.gz, or http://handhelds.org/~mallum/usbnet-2.4.20.patch, or dhcp over usbnet, ... |
| 01:49.25 | Yanroy | hey, is there a way to make the clock on the main screen not be so big? I'd like to be able to see my background. also, I'd like a 12hr clock, not 24... the today screen wiki page doesn't mention that |
| 01:49.47 | Chocky | SpeedDatabaes |
| 01:49.48 | Chocky | base |
| 01:50.12 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2 |
| 01:50.24 | nullpuppy | Yanroy: you can set small_clock which will remove the clock (add openmoko-panel-clock to matchbox/session to add it to the panel) |
| 01:50.47 | kd8ikt | oh yeah i dunno about changing the clock format |
| 01:50.51 | nullpuppy | as for 12hr clock.. i know its possible, but i don't remember the setting |
| 01:51.05 | Chocky | spanks the clowns adding underlines to wiki links. |
| 01:51.14 | kd8ikt | another gconfig setting? |
| 01:51.55 | nullpuppy | should be |
| 01:52.11 | kd8ikt | is there a way to qeury all available settings? |
| 01:52.37 | nullpuppy | maybe? i dunno, been sorta curious myself but too lazy to figure it out ;) |
| 01:56.04 | xmpp | i'd like to have mpd installed on the freerunner for music playback |
| 01:58.33 | nullpuppy | ah ha! |
| 01:58.53 | nullpuppy | kd8ikt: dbus-launch gconftool-2 -a /path/to/whatever/to/query |
| 01:59.21 | kd8ikt | ... what paths are there |
| 01:59.25 | ozzloy | xmpp: maybe you'd be able to compile it with wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 01:59.55 | nullpuppy | kd8ikt: most of the matchbox stuff (panel, clock settings, wallpaper, etc) is in /desktop/poky/interface |
| 02:00.17 | kd8ikt | nice |
| 02:00.24 | nullpuppy | --all-dirs prints subdirectories |
| 02:00.49 | nullpuppy | dbus-launch gconftool-2 --help-client ;) |
| 02:02.52 | nullpuppy | ok, this should probably be put in the wiki somewhere... |
| 02:02.53 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 02:03.22 | nullpuppy | there's /desktop /apps /system and /schemas and then stuff under all those (obviously) |
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| 02:05.31 | kd8ikt | ugh i dont see anyof those |
| 02:05.41 | kd8ikt | tries to compile mpd |
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| 02:08.47 | kd8ikt | contemplates a aptitude install *-dev |
| 02:09.37 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 02:09.56 | nullpuppy | that'd probably take a while... |
| 02:11.14 | kd8ikt | configure: line 22997: `XIPH_PATH_AO(AC_DEFINE(HAVE_AO, 1, [Define to play with ao]) MPD_LIBS="$MPD_LIBS $AO_LIBS" MPD_CFLAGS="$MPD_CFLAGS $AO_CFLA |
| 02:11.23 | kd8ikt | libao? |
| 02:11.33 | Chocky | what of it? |
| 02:11.47 | nullpuppy | thats what it looks like |
| 02:11.51 | kd8ikt | but installed that pkg |
| 02:12.02 | nullpuppy | libao-dev? ;) |
| 02:12.06 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 02:12.10 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 02:12.15 | kd8ikt | and mikmod and this and that |
| 02:12.22 | Yanroy | nullpuppy: what's that matchbox/session thing you said I need to edit to get the panel clock? |
| 02:12.23 | kd8ikt | libmad |
| 02:12.26 | Yanroy | I don't know where that is |
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| 02:12.29 | linuxxr | ~gps |
| 02:12.30 | apt | somebody said gps was http://russnelson.com/ipaq/gps/ or qpegps.sf.net or gpsqpe.sf.net |
| 02:13.28 | nullpuppy | Yanroy: dbus-launch gconftool-2 -t bool -s /desktop/poky/interface/small_clock true and add openmoko-panel-clock to the line in /etc/matchbox/session with the other entries that say openmoko-panel-blah... |
| 02:13.53 | Yanroy | ah, ok |
| 02:13.55 | Yanroy | thanks |
| 02:14.00 | nullpuppy | no prob |
| 02:14.13 | linuxxr | ~wifi |
| 02:14.14 | apt | [wifi] see wireless or for a small compact non-port-blocking card, get one of these a) linksys wcf12 for only $65 shipped from buy.com b) netgear MA701NA for $65 shipped from buy.com c) socket LOW POWER wlan (amazing battery life) for $160 + shipping on buy.com, or better than nothing |
| 02:14.26 | nullpuppy | i'm fairly certain theres a way to make that 12hr time too, but not sure how. |
| 02:14.29 | linuxxr | oo god noos |
| 02:14.36 | nullpuppy | i might be confusing myself with the qtopia image |
| 02:14.51 | Yanroy | nullpuppy: interestingly, the panel clock seems to be the wrong time zone... |
| 02:15.04 | nullpuppy | Yanroy: is /etc/localtime set? |
| 02:15.13 | Yanroy | nullpuppy: it was, unless it unset itself... checking |
| 02:15.14 | nullpuppy | and have you restarted x or rebooted since setting it? |
| 02:15.32 | Yanroy | yes, it's set. and yes, I've restarted X twice |
| 02:15.39 | Yanroy | the big clock had my local time correctly |
| 02:15.48 | nullpuppy | restarting x __should__ fix that, but i've had a couple times when i had to reboot first |
| 02:16.24 | Yanroy | well, restarting again... maybe that will randomly fix it |
| 02:16.31 | Yanroy | if not, I'll just hope it gets fixed on next reboot |
| 02:16.36 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 02:16.37 | Yanroy | nah, still wrong :( it's on UTC |
| 02:16.42 | nullpuppy | huh. |
| 02:16.50 | nullpuppy | time to reboot then ;) |
| 02:16.59 | nullpuppy | should probably file a bug report on that too |
| 02:17.00 | Yanroy | whoa... I just figured out what small clock means |
| 02:17.06 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 02:17.13 | Yanroy | there's really no need for the panel clock |
| 02:17.13 | nullpuppy | pretty awesome ain't it? |
| 02:17.18 | nullpuppy | oh yeah, true |
| 02:17.32 | Yanroy | the small clock is correct, btw |
| 02:17.41 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 02:18.28 | Yanroy | is there a way to set how long it waits before dimming/blanking/suspending? I know ASU has settings for it (though they don't seem to work) |
| 02:18.43 | nullpuppy | not that i know of (yet) |
| 02:18.46 | Yanroy | I imagine it's just setting some config file... I haven't seen it mentioned on the wiki page, though I probably haven't looked in the righ tplace. |
| 02:18.54 | nullpuppy | nods |
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| 02:19.13 | nullpuppy | i seem to recall someone mentioning it was hardcoded in, but i may be thinking of something else |
| 02:19.26 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 02:19.30 | nullpuppy | menus_have_icons |
| 02:19.35 | Yanroy | ? |
| 02:19.42 | nullpuppy | in /desktop/poky/interface |
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| 02:21.03 | nullpuppy | sad, that didn't change anything |
| 02:21.13 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07zhone * r31d62c1439be 10/src/zhone: |
| 02:21.13 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: Update GPS signal and position windows |
| 02:21.13 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: This does not work reliably yet (or only for the first update) |
| 02:23.42 | nullpuppy | ah, ok, it did change something |
| 02:23.51 | nullpuppy | menu's in the games now have icons ;) |
| 02:27.47 | ozzloy | http://xrl.us/okyqw i'm on step 6 and i get "*** Error: CONTROL/control is missing field Architecture" |
| 02:28.04 | ozzloy | i'm trying to build and run an application |
| 02:28.10 | tkep | so, anyone have any guides on making the leds worthwhile? |
| 02:28.19 | tkep | so far the only one i've seen is when i go into flash mode |
| 02:28.23 | tkep | and it's for a short second |
| 02:28.49 | ozzloy | where is this CONTROL/control file supposed to be? |
| 02:29.01 | Yanroy | tkep: I have a vague memory of a mailing list post about someone who had a script that set up the LEDs to indicate charging status |
| 02:29.10 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 02:29.12 | Yanroy | tkep: but that vague memory is all I can offer you, sorry |
| 02:29.19 | tkep | Yanroy, better than none |
| 02:29.29 | nullpuppy | i can dig up the thread, one sec |
| 02:29.35 | Yanroy | if you find it, let me know :) |
| 02:29.37 | tkep | just, if nothing else, making sure i have working leds |
| 02:29.42 | xmpp | I also NEED charging status ! |
| 02:29.50 | nullpuppy | played around with it a little bit |
| 02:29.57 | kd8ikt | its just a bit frustrating cause its like 2007.2 has been frozen and all real efforts have gone to a whole new stack |
| 02:30.01 | Yanroy | my friends are already envious of my freerunner's functionality |
| 02:30.27 | Yanroy | kd8ikt: I don't see the ASU ever being successful... I have hopes for FSO though |
| 02:30.33 | nullpuppy | http://www.smurfy.de/files/neo/openmoko-led-v1.tar.gz |
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| 02:30.56 | kd8ikt | whats that nullpuppy |
| 02:30.58 | tkep | nice nullpuppy |
| 02:31.02 | nullpuppy | basically.... set /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/*/brightness to 1 to be on, 0 to be off |
| 02:31.05 | tkep | led script for charging |
| 02:31.12 | Toaster` | Silly question, where does one find the current u-boot version on my FR? |
| 02:31.17 | nullpuppy | kd8ikt: source for a led test app thingy |
| 02:31.26 | tkep | Toaster`, i find it by booting to the uboot menu |
| 02:31.36 | tkep | turn it off, then hold Aux and press power |
| 02:31.40 | tkep | it should say at the top |
| 02:31.43 | Toaster` | tkep: but that seems too easy :/ |
| 02:31.47 | nullpuppy | was posted on the openmoko-community list around the 16th. thread was LEDs |
| 02:31.48 | kd8ikt | thats NOR tkep |
| 02:31.57 | tkep | eh, whatever it is |
| 02:31.59 | tkep | :) |
| 02:32.06 | Toaster` | uboot is pwr then aux I believe |
| 02:32.16 | nullpuppy | for NAND uboot, yes |
| 02:32.29 | tkep | i'm glad this all makes sense :p |
| 02:32.34 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 02:32.35 | nullpuppy | nor uboot is aux then power |
| 02:32.44 | Yanroy | are fixes and other goodies for ASU being backported to 2007.2 if they're compatible? something like LED indicators should be backwards compatible... |
| 02:32.55 | Toaster` | and is NAND uboot updated via opkg or should it be flashed at somewhat regular intervals? |
| 02:33.01 | kd8ikt | whats so hard about getting it right the first time without ever knowing! DAMNIT! |
| 02:33.22 | nullpuppy | kd8ikt: lol |
| 02:33.25 | donomo | Toaster`: i think you treat uboot like motherboard BIOS. if it works, dont upgrade |
| 02:33.40 | Yanroy | is there any way to get rid of the clock entirely on the today screen? if I have the panel clock, I have no need of it... |
| 02:33.48 | nullpuppy | Yanroy: yup |
| 02:33.53 | kd8ikt | i know a few friends that broke mobo's doing bios upgrades that failed |
| 02:34.06 | nullpuppy | dbus-launch gconftool-2 -t bool -s /desktop/poky/interface/reduced true |
| 02:34.19 | Yanroy | nullpuppy: won't that get rid of the icons on the top too? |
| 02:34.28 | Toaster` | donomo: If it ain't broke, I haven't been playing with it hard enough :D But you have a valid point. |
| 02:34.35 | nullpuppy | Yanroy: maybe? |
| 02:34.45 | nullpuppy | looks at screenshot |
| 02:34.47 | Yanroy | nullpuppy: the wiki would seem to suggest that it does |
| 02:35.01 | Yanroy | nullpuppy: which is why I didn't try it and asked instead :) |
| 02:35.02 | nullpuppy | ah, yes, hmm |
| 02:35.06 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 02:35.59 | kd8ikt | i think i need to reinstall ubuntu |
| 02:36.09 | kd8ikt | she's gotten dirty |
| 02:36.13 | tkep | so opkg upgrade actually upgrades the kernel too |
| 02:36.26 | kd8ikt | thinkso |
| 02:36.28 | tkep | but you can flash it individually as a separate portion mainly to save it |
| 02:36.31 | nullpuppy | tkep: yup. i don't believe it does anything about uboot though |
| 02:36.50 | tkep | well, i assume so since the latest update killed my freerunner, but i flashed just the kernel and i'm rolling again |
| 02:37.00 | tkep | all this info needs to be on the site |
| 02:37.02 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 02:37.05 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 02:37.06 | tkep | easy to find too |
| 02:37.07 | tkep | lol |
| 02:37.24 | nullpuppy | we need to start a grassroots effort to rewrite the damn wiki |
| 02:37.29 | tkep | ... |
| 02:37.31 | tkep | :) |
| 02:37.36 | nullpuppy | i think Chocky started rewriting the usb networking stuff |
| 02:38.11 | tkep | nullpuppy, i've been harping about it since i got in here. i started another wiki aimed at the end user (like me), but it seems most people think the current wiki can be saved |
| 02:38.19 | tkep | so i'm willing to put my efforts where i can |
| 02:38.27 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 02:38.52 | kd8ikt | yeah the openmoko wiki needs to be nuked from orbit |
| 02:39.03 | kd8ikt | make some backups and start over |
| 02:39.13 | nullpuppy | tkep: if you have another wiki already setup, perhaps we could use that as a testbed so to speak |
| 02:39.42 | linuxxr | install slackware;) |
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| 02:43.40 | linuxxr | do we just fix this keyboard or install that mathbox 1 |
| 02:45.21 | linuxxr | matchbox* |
| 02:45.21 | tkep | linuxxr, i like the matchbox one, but as i say on my site, you need ballpoint pens for fingers or a stylus to use it |
| 02:45.33 | tkep | which sucks, but will be nice |
| 02:45.45 | tkep | the FSU build has a great input method from my understanding |
| 02:45.54 | tkep | i'd like to see something like it or the iphone's interface implemented |
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| 02:46.09 | tkep | prefers to not use the stylus... |
| 02:46.15 | linuxxr | yup |
| 02:46.19 | linuxxr | bic |
| 02:46.31 | linuxxr | lightweight |
| 02:46.51 | linuxxr | i have big fingers anyways |
| 02:47.10 | tkep | hahaha |
| 02:47.14 | tkep | me too |
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| 02:47.29 | linuxxr | so its a stick anyway i look at it |
| 02:47.30 | tkep | so i keep the multitap, but i wish for the FSU or iPhone input |
| 02:47.40 | tkep | yeah, i guess so :( |
| 02:48.02 | donomo | tkep: yes FSO image uses nice big buttons |
| 02:48.11 | mmaestri | what's the difference between 2007.2 and FSO right now? |
| 02:48.12 | Toaster` | Other then the data entry on the matchbox kbd, I do my inputs via fingers |
| 02:48.12 | linuxxr | so u dont have the matchbox?/ |
| 02:48.46 | kd8ikt | my fingernail works pretty good |
| 02:48.59 | kd8ikt | i'm gonna keep growing out the pointy finger |
| 02:49.02 | tkep | mmaestri, 2007.2 actually has other application support |
| 02:49.07 | tkep | fsu is just a dialer |
| 02:49.09 | tkep | iirc |
| 02:49.12 | kd8ikt | file it so its like a stylus |
| 02:50.14 | mmaestri | but FSO does support gtk, python, etc? |
| 02:50.20 | donomo | tkep: fso milestone1 does dialing only. ive heard the daily fso build does SMS etc |
| 02:52.19 | tkep | awesome |
| 02:53.57 | kd8ikt | i havent tried connecting any usb devices to my phone yet |
| 02:54.11 | kd8ikt | need a special adapter |
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| 02:54.25 | kd8ikt | pluss dont want to wire it backwards |
| 02:55.30 | xmpp | would be cool if the stylus light/laser was USB powered, batteries are already low |
| 02:56.47 | kd8ikt | rip out the sytlus part(lightgreen) and figure a way to dock it to the phone |
| 02:56.50 | SpeedEvil | Don't use it so much then :) |
| 02:57.56 | xmpp | my cats are addicted to that little red dot |
| 02:58.11 | kd8ikt | heh me2 |
| 02:58.25 | kd8ikt | bought some catnip for her today aswell |
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| 03:09.51 | tkep | xmpp, my 65 lb boxer loves the red laser. he slides all around trying to get it |
| 03:10.01 | tkep | i use it for that more than for the freerunner |
| 03:10.11 | tkep | but he basically tears up the house to get to it |
| 03:12.24 | ieatlint | funny, i use my laser pointer exclusively for the freerunner |
| 03:12.33 | ieatlint | :P |
| 03:12.55 | nullpuppy | ok, made a minor update to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner/Buttons_and_LEDs so that the userspace stuff for the LED's can be easily found again.. |
| 03:13.23 | nullpuppy | ieatlint: how do you use the laser pointer *with* the freerunner? |
| 03:15.07 | Chocky | should be "LEDs" on the wiki. |
| 03:15.20 | nullpuppy | hmm, good point ;) |
| 03:15.28 | Chocky | fixed :p |
| 03:15.34 | nullpuppy | awesome ;) |
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| 03:15.40 | ieatlint | eh... i was making a stupid joke |
| 03:15.41 | Chocky | otherwise, good. |
| 03:15.48 | ieatlint | so what is that supposed to be? |
| 03:15.59 | Chocky | tsk, and "what's" |
| 03:16.06 | Chocky | fully proofs :p |
| 03:16.09 | ieatlint | because the obvious major downside of it is that you're taking the leds away from program developers |
| 03:17.02 | nullpuppy | Chocky: what's? where? |
| 03:17.08 | Chocky | fixed also |
| 03:17.08 | nullpuppy | i'm pretty sure that wasn't me |
| 03:17.58 | nullpuppy | oh, i see |
| 03:18.06 | nullpuppy | yeah, i'm tired. making stupid mistakes ;) |
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| 03:18.14 | nullpuppy | anyways, i gotta head out. i'll be back later. |
| 03:18.28 | Chocky | urghs at crap on the Flashing Openmoko page. |
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| 03:24.21 | chillywilly | does wpa_supplicant work right now? |
| 03:25.09 | chillywilly | anyone? |
| 03:25.17 | chillywilly | bueller? bueller? |
| 03:27.06 | gweeper | I just ran 'opkg upgrade' on my system and I think it's kernel flash upgrade hosed my system twice in a row |
| 03:27.27 | gweeper | i re-flashed with DFU to get back to working, then tried opkg upgrade again and it did it again |
| 03:28.04 | gweeper | chillywilly: my wpa_supplicant was working fine before i hosed the kernel :( |
| 03:29.35 | gweeper | i don't have the log of my first opkg upgrade run, but in the middle of the second I see "Upgrading Kernel in Flash; DO NOT stop this process; Erasing 128 Kibyte @ 7e0000 -- 98 % complete.; open input file: No such file or directory" |
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| 03:30.25 | gweeper | so, i'm guessing the opkg upgrade misplaced the kernel image for some reason or another and didn't notice this before it blew away the good one |
| 03:32.11 | gweeper | man this place is quiet... |
| 03:34.07 | gweeper | anyways, my symptoms are that the system kept running fine until the next time i rebooted, but then it hung in the opnmoko logo without a progress bar and didn't go anywhere |
| 03:34.36 | gweeper | can only get out of that state by pulling the battery |
| 03:36.01 | chillywilly | gweeper: well that makes me leery as I was going to run an 'opkg upgrade' |
| 03:36.12 | ieatlint | gweeper: they have been made aware of the issue |
| 03:36.25 | ieatlint | the easiest fix is to go grab the lastest uImage bin |
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| 03:36.34 | ieatlint | flash it to kernel, and done (no need to reflash rootfs) |
| 03:36.44 | ieatlint | then don't upgrade the kernel for a day or two :P |
| 03:37.03 | gweeper | ieatlint: yeah, i did that once assuming something had messed up accidentally, then re-ran opkg uprade again and was back in the same state |
| 03:37.14 | gweeper | i guess i'll just clean up one more time and wait... |
| 03:37.19 | ieatlint | yeah, something with the kernel got screwy... no idea what |
| 03:37.21 | chillywilly | hmmm, my system only wants to upgrade 3 packages |
| 03:37.41 | chillywilly | libc6, libgcc1, and libstdc++6 |
| 03:37.43 | chillywilly | done |
| 03:38.41 | gweeper | well, i just wanted to check in and see if people knew about this or if i was the unlucky first ... |
| 03:38.48 | gweeper | thankfully, it looks like i'm not alone on this one :) |
| 03:39.30 | ieatlint | i think they already knew about it, but i told one of the devs earlier |
| 03:39.45 | ieatlint | no real harm... reflashing the kernel isn't much of a task |
| 03:40.01 | gweeper | no, i was surprised at how easy it was, actually |
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| 03:44.05 | gweeper | ieatlint: thanks for the info |
| 03:44.16 | gweeper | i'm off to sleep now... |
| 03:44.20 | ieatlint | goodnight |
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| 03:45.38 | linuxxr | i did opkg upgrade 2 hours ago an it worked |
| 03:46.28 | ieatlint | did you reboot the phone? |
| 03:47.55 | linuxxr | yup |
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| 03:48.02 | linuxxr | it did slo |
| 03:48.11 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.26 | ieatlint | shrugs |
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| 03:49.18 | linuxxr | i reboot now |
| 03:51.23 | linuxxr | 47 secs no progress bar but it booted |
| 03:51.54 | linuxxr | thats about 30 seconds longer |
| 03:52.21 | linuxxr | maybe 45 sec longer |
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| 03:53.23 | linuxxr | dropbear uptated i guess ok |
| 03:53.44 | linuxxr | d* |
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| 03:56.22 | Chocky | linty: why does it say "svn help" on Lint-wifi page? |
| 03:58.27 | ieatlint | i dunno, someone else put it there |
| 03:58.36 | Chocky | looks bogus. |
| 03:58.47 | ieatlint | i don't believe in offering help to people... so not me |
| 03:58.55 | Chocky | :o |
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| 03:59.09 | Chocky | Then perhaps you'd care to check the page for accuracy. |
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| 04:04.23 | ieatlint | does anyone know where zhone keeps its ringtone? |
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| 04:18.10 | dufflebunk | chillywilly: I have wpa supplicant working |
| 04:18.36 | undrwater | anyone got boot from SD working successfully? |
| 04:19.44 | AntonTakk | ieatlint: tried the usual suspects like checking /etc/pulse/session? |
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| 04:19.47 | linuxxr | a transparent clock would be cool |
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| 04:20.42 | ieatlint | AntonTakk: no pulse |
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| 04:20.54 | ieatlint | and as best as i can tell, there is no mp3, wav or ogg file on the entire phone |
| 04:21.25 | ieatlint | lsof doesn't seems to yield much either, although amongst 840 lines, i may have missed it (looked closely at files opened by zhone and python, but it could be through some weird app) |
| 04:21.27 | linuxxr | post that wpa ok? |
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| 04:21.59 | kd8ikt | heh |
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| 04:22.26 | ieatlint | went to the zhone git repository... there is no ringtone in it... really, i can't figure out where the hell it's stored or referenced, hehe |
| 04:24.43 | ieatlint | ooh, think i found it |
| 04:24.55 | CaptObviousman | it was in your pocket the whole time? |
| 04:25.09 | Chocky | salutes Capt. O. |
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| 04:25.46 | ieatlint | actually on my desk |
| 04:26.40 | ieatlint | it's a sid file ... audio/prs.sid |
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| 04:36.17 | kd8ikt | crap... updated ubuntu thought backing up |
| 04:36.47 | kd8ikt | great my keyboards messed but i tried backing up .evolution and its not reading it |
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| 04:44.33 | linuxxr | S L A C K W A R E |
| 04:44.43 | Chocky | sucks! |
| 04:44.47 | linuxxr | LOL |
| 04:44.50 | kd8ikt | amen Chocky |
| 04:44.51 | linuxxr | ol |
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| 04:45.18 | kd8ikt | loves his debian derivative ubuntu |
| 04:45.27 | linuxxr | ubuntu breaks itself with no help how good is that |
| 04:45.41 | Chocky | no bastard son of Debian for me :-) |
| 04:45.56 | Chocky | Debian breaks itself for me, but that's because I insist upon unstable. |
| 04:46.03 | Chocky | and normally the fix is easy. |
| 04:46.33 | Chocky | A bit too much stuff is opaque in Ubuntu for my liking. |
| 04:46.38 | linuxxr | yea but im a noob an fixing anything requires that i work at it |
| 04:46.50 | Chocky | no, this is IRC, not IM :p |
| 04:47.16 | Chocky | Debian Etch-and-a-half out today. It's all good. |
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| 04:47.45 | kd8ikt | slaps a sticker on his ubuntu saying my other linux is gentoo |
| 04:47.52 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 04:48.12 | AntonTakk | any of you know if th consumer ready version of asu is supposed to have a "home" app like 2007.2's today, or qtopia's........uhm...thing? |
| 04:50.24 | kd8ikt | but yeah anywho i just reinstalled ubuntu on this laptop i opted for the alternative cd and i have dm-crypt full disk encryption ;) |
| 04:50.41 | kd8ikt | whoah! |
| 04:52.48 | linuxxr | 8.04.1? |
| 04:53.09 | gambler | does freerunner have irda |
| 04:53.17 | linuxxr | i guess ill download the debian iso |
| 04:53.35 | Chocky | you're ill? ;p |
| 04:54.35 | linuxxr | i may be after this |
| 05:00.09 | kd8ikt | no gambler |
| 05:00.21 | kd8ikt | i think irda is a bit depreciated |
| 05:00.45 | kd8ikt | i'm sure it could be hardware modded though |
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| 05:02.27 | Chocky | pedants |
| 05:02.54 | Chocky | depreciated means lost value. |
| 05:03.31 | gambler | yes like if I mod my phone and it has a bunch of wires hanging out of it, it's value will be 'depreciated'. |
| 05:03.41 | gambler | i think kd8ikt meant deprecated |
| 05:03.48 | Chocky | Not to mention its value. |
| 05:03.52 | Chocky | pedant mode end. |
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| 05:06.04 | kd8ikt | who ever said wires had to hang from it |
| 05:06.16 | Chocky | Yeah, the duct tape will hide it. |
| 05:06.26 | kd8ikt | this same topic was argued about yesterday |
| 05:06.58 | Chocky | I must have missed it ;-) |
| 05:07.08 | kd8ikt | i though swaping out the aux led would be feasible |
| 05:07.20 | Chocky | right. |
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| 05:16.05 | linuxxr | no -apic |
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| 05:19.45 | linuxxr | ok i got debian doingg a net install |
| 05:20.09 | Chocky | nice. |
| 05:20.47 | amarsh04 | on your FR, linuxxr? |
| 05:21.15 | linuxxr | no |
| 05:21.25 | linuxxr | not on the fr |
| 05:21.37 | linuxxr | that works though |
| 05:21.42 | linuxxr | i guess |
| 05:22.00 | Chocky | hacking it right now. bit short of space :o |
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| 05:22.13 | amarsh04 | I was just posting to www.linuxtoday.com that Etch-and-a-half and daily built netinstall images are great for installing Debian on newly-supported hardware |
| 05:22.18 | linuxxr | looks like its doing a manual erase |
| 05:22.31 | linuxxr | for noobs to |
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| 05:22.56 | Chocky | noobtastic. |
| 05:23.01 | linuxxr | netinstall on freerunner? |
| 05:23.13 | linuxxr | i gotta try that |
| 05:23.16 | Chocky | no, you need to debootstrap it |
| 05:23.24 | linuxxr | oos |
| 05:23.33 | Chocky | or use the image someone made |
| 05:23.35 | amarsh04 | netinstall assumes a bootable cd |
| 05:24.00 | Chocky | well, there are a couple of ways. you can DHCP/tftp it |
| 05:24.01 | linuxxr | theres a full network install right? |
| 05:24.11 | linuxxr | ok |
| 05:24.13 | amarsh04 | or a bootable usbdrive or sdcard or something that you can write to first |
| 05:24.33 | Chocky | :o |
| 05:25.03 | amarsh04 | I booted my first home linux machine from floppies on a pc networked to a w98se box running internet connection sharing |
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| 05:25.26 | amarsh04 | the other pc had a 28800 bps modem (-: took nearly a week |
| 05:29.22 | linuxxr | yikes |
| 05:30.42 | linuxxr | eracing data 43%...... |
| 05:31.39 | linuxxr | i guess atleast it does erase the data |
| 05:32.37 | linuxxr | was ian an patrick buds |
| 05:33.07 | linuxxr | did ian make sls patches too? |
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| 05:46.18 | undrwater | i read that there's discussion about syncing calendar and contacts with evolution or...., but i can't seem to find anything...anyone have any info? |
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| 05:59.39 | daMaestro | hmm the qtopia image is the most mature, but i've managed to crash it about 15 times already |
| 06:00.19 | daMaestro | with regards to the invisible shield... i blame my shotty install job, but it's created an "lcd ghost" when tapping |
| 06:00.49 | daMaestro | aka.. i think the material got slightly streached so when tapping on the screen the lcd is effected in other areas |
| 06:00.52 | daMaestro | pretty lame |
| 06:01.12 | linuxxr | ooo nos will it come off easily? |
| 06:01.25 | daMaestro | yeah, i think i can get it off |
| 06:01.28 | daMaestro | going to leave it on for now |
| 06:01.33 | daMaestro | i have much more to review with it |
| 06:01.46 | linuxxr | wat is it anyways packing tape? |
| 06:01.51 | daMaestro | overall, it fixes "not leaving grease on the screen" |
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| 06:02.11 | daMaestro | makes drawing on the screen much less worrysome |
| 06:02.20 | linuxxr | got to be hard stuff |
| 06:02.23 | daMaestro | so the handwriting rec. with the qtopia works |
| 06:02.33 | daMaestro | linuxxr, http://zagg.com |
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| 06:03.16 | daMaestro | http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/openmoko-neo-freerunner-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php specifically |
| 06:04.46 | linuxxr | yea but what does the material look like? |
| 06:05.05 | linuxxr | adhesive on it? |
| 06:05.20 | daMaestro | i can't quite describe it |
| 06:05.27 | linuxxr | but not for the screen right? |
| 06:05.35 | daMaestro | pretty cool stuff.. you spray it with this liquid and it becomes non-sticky |
| 06:05.36 | linuxxr | scotch tape? |
| 06:05.41 | linuxxr | oo |
| 06:05.42 | linuxxr | ok |
| 06:05.56 | daMaestro | but without it.. it has a lot of adheasive ability |
| 06:06.08 | undrwater | daMaestro: do you recommend it? |
| 06:06.12 | daMaestro | i'm not sure yet |
| 06:06.14 | linuxxr | like soapy water on a decal |
| 06:06.29 | daMaestro | undrwater, give me a week of actually using it |
| 06:06.33 | linuxxr | clear decal |
| 06:06.36 | daMaestro | undrwater, the install was... umm... yeah |
| 06:06.54 | undrwater | i've watched the vids |
| 06:06.56 | daMaestro | undrwater, time consuming; it's not something you want to rush |
| 06:07.04 | undrwater | doesn't look fun |
| 06:07.10 | daMaestro | locks up the qtopia image again |
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| 06:07.31 | undrwater | running QT on SD? |
| 06:07.38 | daMaestro | yeah |
| 06:07.50 | daMaestro | oh, wait.. no. i flashed it |
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| 06:08.21 | daMaestro | the asu has promise, but it's not really usable right now (for what i want to play with) |
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| 06:11.54 | daMaestro | locks up the qtopia image again (guess you can't remove network interfaces) |
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| 06:12.34 | methril | morning |
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| 06:17.21 | ChandleWEi | how to edit this file "./.evolution/addressbook/local/system/addressbook.db"? |
| 06:17.25 | ChandleWEi | sqlite? |
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| 06:19.04 | undrwater | ChandleWEi: it's not sqlite... |
| 06:20.17 | Fossi | why, o, why. i hate thee, smc wifi router pretending piece of shit. |
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| 06:21.25 | ChandleWEi | undrwater: how to edit it ? just vi ? |
| 06:22.04 | undrwater | ChandleWEi: no...i did some search a while ago... |
| 06:22.21 | undrwater | i think there's a way to get at it via python... |
| 06:22.34 | undrwater | i can't find what i discovered...it was non-trivial for me |
| 06:23.03 | undrwater | someone had created a script that didn't work for me |
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| 06:23.55 | ChandleWEi | undrwater: thx |
| 06:24.40 | undrwater | you're welcome for what it's worth... |
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| 06:31.15 | Fossi | i don't know why, but suddently the only thing that works is wpa_supplicant |
| 06:31.29 | Fossi | before, it didn't work, only setting everything by hand |
| 06:31.38 | Fossi | this wifi stuff is driving me crazy. |
| 06:31.53 | undrwater | it is nutty... |
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| 06:43.58 | beni_ | out of stock again |
| 06:44.09 | beni_ | fr sells very well :) |
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| 06:47.10 | kd8ikt | anyone know what git branch is the one compiled/released on the buildhost as latest daily? |
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| 06:48.00 | dcordes_ | org.oe.dev? |
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| 06:49.35 | kd8ikt | kernel stuff |
| 06:50.05 | kd8ikt | http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=summary |
| 06:54.35 | Fossi | is there a quick way to check with opkg which repository it'd get a package from? |
| 06:55.02 | Fossi | i get some errors about gtk+ being installed, but files being already installed by -fastscaling |
| 06:55.15 | Fossi | so i wonder why it actually tries to install gtk+ |
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| 06:57.52 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r31e56caa1f00 10/packages/bluez/ (17 files): [bluez] Rework packaging of bluez-utils and bluez-utils-alsa (only provide asound pcm plugins) |
| 06:57.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re38a90662fc6 10/packages/bluez/ (8 files): [bluez-utils] Package the gstreamer audio modules |
| 06:57.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r155833963570 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add bluez-utils-alsa to the feed |
| 06:57.55 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r54a7b694f6de 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade opkg to get fixes for memory management |
| 06:58.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc574a32eb44d 10/packages/bluez/ (17 files): [bluez] Rework packaging of bluez-utils and bluez-utils-alsa (only provide asound pcm plugins) |
| 06:58.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r610589709021 10/packages/bluez/ (8 files): [bluez-utils] Package the gstreamer audio modules |
| 06:58.19 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r9cdaf2cd2df2 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add bluez-utils-alsa to the feed |
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| 07:02.36 | daMaestro | gah, i think it's hopeless trying to get the wifi to work under the qtopia image |
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| 07:03.02 | daMaestro | does anyone have usb ethernet working under the qtopia image? |
| 07:05.03 | ecraven | yes |
| 07:05.07 | ecraven | last time i tried, it worked |
| 07:07.51 | Sargun | Anyone here have an iPhone/is an iPhone dev? |
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| 07:09.09 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:10.19 | opendeep | morning |
| 07:11.04 | Stroller | ~_~ |
| 07:11.04 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 07:11.42 | Stroller | ~iphone |
| 07:11.42 | apt | iSmoke, b*tch! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg1ckCkm8YI |
| 07:13.11 | daMaestro | echarp, WEP? |
| 07:13.39 | daMaestro | ecraven, * |
| 07:14.02 | ecraven | daMaestro: WEP over usb? |
| 07:14.14 | ecraven | i don't have a network with WEP, but WPA2 seems to work fine |
| 07:14.29 | daMaestro | ecraven, wifi |
| 07:14.40 | daMaestro | ecraven, yeah.. i need to get wep going right now |
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| 07:15.10 | opendeep | opendeep:can anybody tell me which .conf file in /etc/opkg to be updated for opkg update ? |
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| 07:16.08 | opendeep | all-feed.conf, armv4t-feed.conf , om-gta01-feed.conf, arch.conf, neo1973-feed.conf |
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| 07:19.05 | daMaestro | ecraven, so you were also able to get wired (usb) inet going? |
| 07:19.36 | opendeep | though I am able to ping other networks, my opkg update is failing with signature check errors . |
| 07:19.46 | kd8ikt | ignore that |
| 07:20.29 | ecraven | daMaestro: yes, you need to add a few rules to your host iptables |
| 07:20.30 | opendeep | any clue? |
| 07:20.34 | ecraven | daMaestro: the wiki explains it |
| 07:20.47 | ecraven | daMaestro: look at /etc/network.d (or similar) |
| 07:20.50 | ecraven | that should do the trick |
| 07:20.50 | daMaestro | ecraven, i have all that done; are the expected IP address the same for the qtopia image? |
| 07:20.59 | ecraven | i think so |
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| 07:21.28 | daMaestro | ah, wow; so they are |
| 07:23.14 | daMaestro | ecraven, how can i tell the device to charge while attached to usb? |
| 07:23.28 | daMaestro | ecraven, the qtopia image seems to be stupid about the fact it has a power source |
| 07:23.30 | ecraven | not sure, something about host_mode and usb_mode, maybe? |
| 07:23.39 | ecraven | somewhere in /sys/ |
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| 07:25.54 | Wonka | can anyone tell me why there is a portmapper daemon started on freerunner boot? |
| 07:26.10 | Wonka | as if anyone would like to use nfs on it O.o |
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| 07:27.11 | Fossi | root@om-gta02:~# openmoko-today |
| 07:27.11 | Fossi | openmoko-today: error while loading shared libraries: libpixman-1.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 07:27.18 | Fossi | anybody got a hint why? |
| 07:28.14 | Fossi | i actually don't have that file |
| 07:31.19 | daMaestro | ZZZZ |
| 07:31.38 | Fossi | guess i shouldn't have used scaredycat's repo |
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| 07:32.16 | Infinyte | Can you install the OpenMoko browser through the terminal on QTopia? or will that explode everything? >_> |
| 07:32.36 | Stroller | Infinyte: I don't think QTopia has an X server |
| 07:32.42 | swc|666 | is the gps connected to the FR with RS232 or USB? |
| 07:32.47 | Infinyte | Ahhh |
| 07:32.51 | Infinyte | Yes, good point. |
| 07:33.00 | Infinyte | Well, does Minimo require an X server? |
| 07:34.09 | bumbl | where can I download actual asu stages? they seem to be removed from buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/ |
| 07:35.50 | Stroller | Infinyte: I would imagine anything running GUI on 2007.2 / ASU / FSU / &c would require X to do so |
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| 07:39.24 | Infinyte | Ah, mmkay then. |
| 07:40.04 | Infinyte | By the way, did the latest stuff that's installed when you do opkg upgrade break anyone elses phone? xP |
| 07:40.25 | ecraven | how can i set a global gtk theme? so that all applications will use a bigger font size? |
| 07:41.24 | swc|666 | does anyone know if the gps connected to the FR with RS232 or USB? |
| 07:42.20 | Fossi | Infinyte: it does 'break' mine |
| 07:42.31 | Infinyte | Funstuff. |
| 07:42.35 | Fossi | as in, i can't start gtk apps |
| 07:42.47 | bumbl | ecraven: /home/root/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 07:42.49 | Infinyte | It just hangs at the boot for mine. |
| 07:42.54 | Infinyte | So I just reflashed it. |
| 07:43.06 | Infinyte | I hope QTopia 4.4 comes out soon. |
| 07:43.42 | ecraven | bumbl: that doesn't exist on the 2007.2 images, and still all applications use non-standard font size |
| 07:43.45 | Stroller | ecraven: last question on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_FAQ I think |
| 07:43.49 | Fossi | i hope shr comes out soom ;) |
| 07:43.54 | ieatlint | fso is definitely nice |
| 07:43.55 | Infinyte | Lulz. >_> |
| 07:44.17 | ecraven | Stroller: thanks! |
| 07:44.19 | Infinyte | QTopia is great for us lazy people. |
| 07:44.29 | Infinyte | I just wish it had a browser. >_> |
| 07:44.40 | Infinyte | SHR would be awesome. |
| 07:44.50 | Infinyte | Haha, but I'm sure that's waaaayyy down the road. |
| 07:46.20 | Infinyte | Anyone know the release date for QTopia 4.4? |
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| 07:47.55 | nezza-_- | does anybody know a sip library which supports inband dtmf detection? |
| 07:48.11 | BlackFog | 'morning |
| 07:49.42 | bumbl | ecraven: you have to touch it and you might try to add gtk-font-name="Serif 5" |
| 07:49.46 | ecraven | is there any work on glamo? the dodji repository has no changes since 2007-11 |
| 07:49.59 | bumbl | or Serif 10 |
| 07:50.00 | ecraven | bumbl: thanks, i'll try in a minute, when i have X running on debian |
| 07:50.49 | bumbl | Infinyte: isn't it possible to insall minimo on qtopia? |
| 07:51.02 | Infinyte | I dunno, I'm afraid to try. >_> |
| 07:52.00 | Infinyte | Anyone know for sure? |
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| 07:52.26 | Fossi | why's there no log daemon running? |
| 07:52.51 | Fossi | or the other way around: does anybody know where X writes it's log messages to? |
| 07:52.57 | kd8ikt | logread |
| 07:53.07 | ieatlint | Fossi: because the memory has a finite number of writes and logs take up those writes (and space) |
| 07:53.12 | ieatlint | check /tmp though |
| 07:53.18 | ieatlint | there are logs there for some images |
| 07:53.44 | kd8ikt | yes i see x.log in /tmp |
| 07:53.55 | Fossi | ah, so if i log to sd card, i could change that, right? |
| 07:55.12 | Wonka | /var/volatile/tmp/x.log |
| 07:55.25 | Wonka | ok, /tmp/x.log is the same |
| 07:55.45 | Fossi | yeah, thanks, found it |
| 07:55.53 | Fossi | could somebody please check what package libpixman-1.so.0 is supposed to be in |
| 07:56.21 | Fossi | oh |
| 07:56.26 | Fossi | libpixman maybe ;D |
| 07:57.09 | Fossi | i wonder why something seems to depend on it on my system and still it's not installed |
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| 08:03.04 | Fossi | i think i properly fucked it up ;) |
| 08:05.46 | Fossi | oh, wow. it's back to life |
| 08:06.21 | railer | Hey anyone know a good sites for designing a theme for FR? And if no good sites available, how about any sites? And I'm pretty sure I need both matchbox and gtk |
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| 08:08.59 | railer | ahem..... I know you're out there I can hear you reading.... |
| 08:09.33 | Fossi | what about that 'patience' thing? |
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| 08:10.15 | railer | You talking to me fossi? |
| 08:11.18 | railer | pokes fossi |
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| 08:14.35 | railer | hello? I think I scared fossi |
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| 08:16.57 | railer | ieatlint? |
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| 08:17.13 | ieatlint | ? |
| 08:17.29 | kd8ikt | boy that was quick |
| 08:17.30 | railer | no one is talking to me :( |
| 08:18.05 | ieatlint | xchat flashes when my nick is typed.. |
| 08:18.20 | ieatlint | i think they call it a feature |
| 08:18.38 | railer | I assumed so, so you know nothing about themes eh? |
| 08:18.45 | ieatlint | huh? |
| 08:18.57 | ieatlint | i haven't been reading anything, i just responded to my flashing xcaht |
| 08:19.19 | ieatlint | oh, no, i don't really know |
| 08:19.34 | ieatlint | i'm not an artistic guy |
| 08:19.37 | railer | np, how goes the wifi? |
| 08:19.55 | ieatlint | having done much at all with it since friday |
| 08:20.16 | kd8ikt | pictures either default pics on ieatlint's moko or stick figures |
| 08:20.16 | ieatlint | i'm screwing around with some other things and taking a break... will kill off the bugs on the tracker tomorrow |
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| 08:20.35 | railer | when is the convention, you're going to? |
| 08:20.43 | ieatlint | kd8ikt: actually, i'm more likely to replace "flashy" pics with solid colours |
| 08:20.59 | ieatlint | august 5-7 is when i'll be there |
| 08:21.14 | Fossi | railer: i did |
| 08:21.22 | rtyler | hey guys, I grabbed the latest rootfs from here (http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080721/) and /etc/profile seems to have garbage in it, the touchscreen doesn't work, and the icons are all "missing" (showing the red X) |
| 08:21.29 | rtyler | what's the latest stable image and such for my 1973? |
| 08:21.33 | kd8ikt | agree's like every windowsXP machine i made look like 95 by dumbing down the graphics flare |
| 08:21.35 | railer | Fossi you disappeared! |
| 08:21.42 | rtyler | is curious as to how the Qtopia stuff looks |
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| 08:22.12 | Fossi | actually, i was taking some clothes down and folding them |
| 08:22.24 | Fossi | not very copperfieldish |
| 08:22.37 | ieatlint | hey, doing laundry is like magic to geeks |
| 08:22.41 | railer | ahhh the old laundry, I should go do the dishes |
| 08:22.57 | Fossi | dishwasher ohey |
| 08:23.07 | Fossi | no dryer though :\ |
| 08:23.14 | railer | no laundry is not too bad ironing is magic |
| 08:23.41 | Fossi | i didn't iron in a while |
| 08:23.46 | ecraven | does anyone have matchbox-keyboard packages for the svn versions for the freerunner? |
| 08:24.00 | Fossi | ecraven: huh? |
| 08:24.08 | Fossi | ah |
| 08:24.10 | Fossi | no |
| 08:24.20 | Fossi | misread your sentence ;) |
| 08:24.21 | ecraven | the svn version of matchbox-keyboard includes the ability to show/hide the keyboard |
| 08:24.48 | railer | anyhow a got the whole LCARs theme ready to go just need to figure out how to make it into an installable theme |
| 08:27.19 | kd8ikt | anyone have a kernel that actually suspend/resumes? |
| 08:29.32 | Fossi | ah, resuming is overrated |
| 08:29.36 | Fossi | just start fresh ;) |
| 08:30.13 | Fossi | anybody know why my perl install doesn't seem to have a strict.pm? |
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| 08:32.36 | Fossi | hmm. weird |
| 08:32.44 | Fossi | i thought it's part of a standard install |
| 08:33.21 | ecraven | Fossi: it's in one of the modules |
| 08:33.27 | ecraven | perl-module-strict or something like that |
| 08:33.41 | ecraven | angström seems to have a *lot* of packages for perl/python |
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| 08:34.05 | Rigolo | Fossi: I installed matchbox-keyboard as explained on the wiki on a July 22th image .. no problems |
| 08:34.57 | Rigolo | Fossi: and yes, I do have a little keyboard icon in my top bar that I can click to show or hide the keyboard |
| 08:36.12 | Fossi | Rigolo: interesting, but i guess ecraven might be interested, if at all ;) |
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| 08:36.35 | Rigolo | mmmmm to early ... my eyes still need to adjust to the sun :-) |
| 08:36.40 | ecraven | Rigolo: thanks, i'll have a look at that ;) |
| 08:36.51 | Rigolo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards#Matchbox_keyboard |
| 08:37.11 | Fossi | Rigolo: that's not really the svn version though, or is it? |
| 08:37.25 | Rigolo | let me check .. one moment |
| 08:37.56 | Fossi | well, then again, if you use daily feeds it prolly is |
| 08:38.01 | Rigolo | matchbox-keyboard-applet - 0.0+svnr1910-r10 - |
| 08:38.01 | Rigolo | matchbox-keyboard-im - 0.0+svnr1910-r10 - |
| 08:38.01 | Rigolo | matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod - 0.0+svnr1910-r10 - |
| 08:38.15 | Rigolo | that is from the download that is linked from that wiki page |
| 08:38.43 | Fossi | yeah, i think i've got the same |
| 08:38.53 | Rigolo | but then again ... I also went to the matchbox site .. and browsed their svn .. and that is 3 years old :-) |
| 08:39.10 | Fossi | the multitab pad is unusable without a / |
| 08:39.25 | Rigolo | Fossi: but that is easily solved .. also on thw iki |
| 08:39.29 | Fossi | and ctrl ;D |
| 08:39.34 | kd8ikt | neat just found a lil latest kernel build mwestr built |
| 08:39.35 | Rigolo | just edit a file to add that key |
| 08:39.38 | Fossi | and... lot's of other things ;) |
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| 08:39.54 | kd8ikt | lets see if it suspends |
| 08:40.39 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: later that git 25? that one broke my FR last night ... flashed the kernel from opkg .. and then did not come back anymore after a reboot |
| 08:45.09 | kd8ikt | that sucks |
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| 08:45.32 | kd8ikt | but know i'm looking through mwesterz personal builds |
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| 08:46.09 | kd8ikt | http://moko.mwester.net/fixes.html |
| 08:46.25 | kd8ikt | hopefully it works i finished installing everything now its test time |
| 08:46.30 | kd8ikt | yay |
| 08:47.10 | kd8ikt | if i remember correctly he has made dozens of kernel commits so... i think he knows wtf he's doing |
| 08:47.24 | Ainulindale | I'm using his build. |
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| 08:48.03 | ExodusC | Hmm, I'm sad to hear GTA03 won't support 3G networks... |
| 08:48.11 | kd8ikt | hows suspend/resume Ainulindale ? |
| 08:48.11 | Ainulindale | But last mwester-trip kernel doesn't include the latest patches from Andy (except in the ainulindale - sigh' - image) |
| 08:48.17 | ExodusC | Also, hi all |
| 08:48.18 | Ainulindale | kd8ikt: Perfect. |
| 08:48.27 | kd8ikt | nice |
| 08:48.34 | Ainulindale | ExodusC: Where did you read that ? |
| 08:48.55 | kd8ikt | speculation |
| 08:48.57 | ExodusC | On Wikipedia, though I checked where they cited it from (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/018950.html) |
| 08:49.20 | ExodusC | Not sure if that's really official since I've really just started researching this project recently, though I've known about it for a while |
| 08:49.53 | lymeca | ExodusC: Where do you read this? |
| 08:49.54 | Ainulindale | ExodusC: The problem is related to the fact that 3G chipsets are a bit too closed if I recall correctyl |
| 08:49.55 | lymeca | Or any info about GTA03... |
| 08:49.57 | Ainulindale | s/yl/ly/ |
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| 08:50.39 | ExodusC | lymeca: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/018950.html |
| 08:50.50 | Ainulindale | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/018941.html <= read that to understand why |
| 08:51.35 | lymeca | would rather have freedom than UTMS |
| 08:51.49 | ExodusC | I considered getting a Freerunner, but I feel like my limited Linux knowledge is well, too limited, so I guess I'll wait until it's ready for consumer use... |
| 08:52.30 | Rigolo | ExodusC: mmm that might be with GTA04 ... :-) |
| 08:52.34 | lymeca | UMTS I mean |
| 08:52.35 | Fossi | smart choice ;) |
| 08:52.50 | Fossi | lymeca: i'd rather have both ;) |
| 08:52.55 | Rigolo | although I read somewhere that GTA04 is available on the PS3 .. and soon on the PC .. but now I might mix up a few things :-) |
| 08:53.04 | lymeca | Fossi: True, but if I have to choose =] |
| 08:53.06 | Ainulindale | ExodusC: hmmm honestly I don't know what you're meaning by "limited" |
| 08:53.12 | lymeca | Rigolo: I HOPE the PC! |
| 08:53.15 | Ainulindale | ExodusC: But it's usable as a standard phone (to me) |
| 08:53.24 | ieatlint | lymeca: it's been confirmed for the pc |
| 08:53.32 | ieatlint | and it has a flashy phone -- with a camera! |
| 08:53.51 | lymeca | ohh it has? |
| 08:53.52 | lymeca | Good to know. |
| 08:54.03 | lymeca | Don't keep up with that sort of news. |
| 08:54.07 | lymeca | I really want to play it though. |
| 08:54.07 | Rigolo | would be cool to have the Freerunner as the default mobile within GTA04 :-) |
| 08:54.08 | ieatlint | esrb issued a rating for it, so it was inadvertent |
| 08:54.08 | ExodusC | Ainulindale: I have an Ubuntu PC I run as well as a Linux PC, but I've been a Windows user for all my life, so I still don't know my way around a terminal as well as I should :) |
| 08:54.11 | ieatlint | (M) |
| 08:54.12 | lymeca | No way I'm getting a PS3 |
| 08:54.32 | Ainulindale | ExodusC: If you're willing to give a try, it's not as difficult as it looks |
| 08:54.37 | ieatlint | i bought a ps3... in part for the bluray |
| 08:54.39 | Ainulindale | ExodusC: it mostly involves installing package |
| 08:54.40 | lymeca | ExodusC: That doesn't make sense. An Ubuntu PC and "Linux PC"? |
| 08:54.47 | ExodusC | Err |
| 08:54.49 | Ainulindale | ExodusC: so it's not that hard |
| 08:54.54 | Rigolo | ExodusC: well ... goog motive to start with a FR ... then you HAVE to learn a bit more :-) |
| 08:54.55 | ExodusC | lymeca: I'm stupid, I meant Windows PC :) |
| 08:55.21 | Ainulindale | ExodusC: only thing you should consider, in my humble opinion, is whether you think you'll have the time and motivation to do things with it |
| 08:55.23 | lymeca | ieatlint: Meh. Blu-Ray moves = lame. I'll nevr buy one. I'll get 1080p rips from Bit Torrent and get a Blu-Ray burner for 50GB data discs backup |
| 08:55.24 | Fossi | so you've got linux and a windows pc then |
| 08:55.33 | Fossi | ubuntu counts as 'windows' doesn't it? |
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| 08:55.36 | Ainulindale | If you just want a smartphone with tons of things, it may not be suited |
| 08:55.36 | ieatlint | ExodusC: careful with that mistake ... there's a bit of a war about people making it sound like ubunutu is not just linux, or somehow has something exclusive |
| 08:55.42 | lymeca | Fossi: Hahaha |
| 08:55.54 | ieatlint | lymeca: yeah, you keep telling yourself that |
| 08:55.55 | Tm_T | slaps Fossi |
| 08:55.59 | Ainulindale | If you want to learn/get some fun/develop things, it's just perfect |
| 08:56.01 | Fossi | ;D |
| 08:56.11 | lymeca | ieatlint: Why? What's wrong with that plan? |
| 08:56.12 | Fossi | (flamebait, yessir ;D) |
| 08:56.25 | Tm_T | Fossi: nah, just showing idiocy |
| 08:56.37 | Fossi | well... |
| 08:56.47 | Fossi | everybody knows that the only real distro is gentoo |
| 08:57.00 | ieatlint | lymeca: it needlessy blasts a format with the reasoning that you can pirate movies that are sub-par quality and feature wise on an open network where anyone can monitor your illegal activities |
| 08:57.03 | Fossi | is in flamewar mood ;D |
| 08:57.21 | ExodusC | Ainulindale: I'm bad at coding, but everything I've done is on my own, I'm taking my first real course next year (though it's Java...) |
| 08:57.29 | Ainulindale | Well, I want the projects SVN good to go, damned thing ! |
| 08:57.38 | Ainulindale | ExodusC: It doesn't matter |
| 08:57.49 | Rigolo | is an old gentoo user .. that moved to ubuntu because I was fed up with emerge -uDp world all the time ... and now I do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade .... so not much had changed :-) |
| 08:57.51 | Ainulindale | ExodusC: I didn't do C in years, but I started again from scratch two weeks ago |
| 08:57.57 | Ainulindale | ExodusC: And I'm having fun |
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| 08:58.05 | Ainulindale | ExodusC: Testing and documenting is also part of the process |
| 08:58.09 | Ainulindale | Helping other users and so on |
| 08:58.14 | kd8ikt | with all this 3g network talk, what percent of cellular providers utilize it? |
| 08:58.26 | Rigolo | here in .nl .... 100% |
| 08:58.31 | wibbit | I'm going to ask a question that may end up getting me flamed :/ But the usual flamers do not seem to be active :) |
| 08:58.33 | Fossi | kd8ikt: enough in my town ;) |
| 08:58.43 | Ainulindale | As long as you can enjoy a working phone and enjoy the fact that you're making things go towards a "free" phone, I think everyone wins something, doesn't they ? |
| 08:58.47 | ExodusC | Ironically, I do not even have a 3G network in my area (yet) |
| 08:58.51 | lymeca | ieatlint: I don't think rips of the same resolution and video/audio format are sub-par. Imperceptable to my eyes and ears, and I have a 1080p projector. It's not needlessly blasting the format, I don't buy into DRM-laden formats. The Internet is the clear future for content distribution, and I'm sorry if Sony doesn't like that, I'm not going to line their pockets. |
| 08:58.52 | wibbit | Any idea, what times lines are intended regarding getting the OS of the phone in a stable enough state that it could be considered a primary phone? |
| 08:58.55 | kd8ikt | i dont think any in my state even do |
| 08:59.17 | lymeca | ieatlint: I've downloaded thousands of moves and hundreds of seasons of TV shows... and any law enforcement activity? None. |
| 08:59.23 | Fossi | wibbit: well, i guess that depends on who you talk to |
| 08:59.36 | Rigolo | wibbit: today ... depends on your definition of "primary phone" |
| 08:59.40 | Fossi | wibbit: if you want an 'official' answer, write to openmoko, inc |
| 08:59.45 | Ainulindale | wibbit: I'm using it as a primary phone |
| 08:59.59 | ieatlint | lymeca: yes, because you download a 1080p movie to the tune of 9-14gb, which HAS to be the same quality as a 40gb brd ;) |
| 09:00.00 | lymeca | ieatlint: Putting bits on polycarbonate platters and shipping them around the world is not sensible nor environemtally friendly. |
| 09:00.05 | Ainulindale | (My needs are calls, contacts, and smses, nothing more) |
| 09:00.08 | wibbit | I'd be happy with an un-official answer from an OpenMoko dev :) |
| 09:00.11 | Ainulindale | Oh, and suspend of course :=) |
| 09:00.14 | ExodusC | I'm hoping GTA04 will have some better hardware. When I read the specs of the 1973 something like six or more months ago when I discovered the Openmoko project, it didn't interest me too much |
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| 09:00.23 | Ainulindale | (damned keyboard) |
| 09:00.33 | Fossi | wibbit: then again, there are 4 distros or 6+ whatever way you count them |
| 09:00.41 | Ainulindale | ExodusC: what do you mean by better ? |
| 09:00.43 | Ainulindale | Fossi: 4 distros ? |
| 09:00.45 | ieatlint | lymeca: and saying you haven't gotten caught yet is like a smoker saying "well, i've been smoking for 30 years and not a single cancer diagnosis so far!" |
| 09:00.56 | ieatlint | doesn't need to happen more than once for you to be screwed |
| 09:01.05 | kd8ikt | heh noshit |
| 09:01.07 | XorA | damn, why do no cops use OpenMoko :-D |
| 09:01.10 | Ainulindale | There's OM 2007.2 and ASU, that's all |
| 09:01.14 | Rigolo | ieatlint: and that smoker has never been to the docter on 30 years also :-) |
| 09:01.16 | Fossi | Ainulindale: well 'distros'. that'd include at least OM2007.2, ASU, FSO, SHR |
| 09:01.16 | wibbit | Ainulindale: So, for you, from the perspective of phone calls, sms, contacts, it works with out any glitches? |
| 09:01.24 | Ainulindale | Fossi: SHR/FSO aren't distros |
| 09:01.29 | lymeca | ieatlint: A lot of Blu-Ray moves don't fill the disc. Even if they did we will more and more see the straight rips unencoded much like we saw VOBs traded around on Bit Torrent. Even then I'm perfectly happy taking the quality loss and not paying any money for a player and format which restricts my freedoms with nasty DRM. |
| 09:01.29 | Ainulindale | Not in the common sense |
| 09:01.39 | Ainulindale | wibbit: Yep |
| 09:01.43 | Fossi | Ainulindale: i know :) |
| 09:01.48 | lymeca | ieatlint: And you can't assume all Blu-Ray movies are on dual layer BL discs |
| 09:01.52 | ExodusC | Ainulindale: Well, for example, when I saw the 1973 had a 233MHz ARM processor, it didn't interest me too much, I mean, that's great for a phone, but I always thought a little more would be better |
| 09:01.52 | lymeca | because they aren't |
| 09:01.55 | Ainulindale | Fossi: And you should work on SHR, or else I should destroy you |
| 09:01.58 | ieatlint | lymeca: yeah, but you still have the drm |
| 09:02.02 | Fossi | Ainulindale: but from a 'consumer' viewpoint, they kinda are |
| 09:02.04 | Ainulindale | ExodusC: hardware on the freerunner is different |
| 09:02.06 | ieatlint | hdcp exists for you still |
| 09:02.09 | Fossi | Ainulindale: sure will |
| 09:02.14 | lymeca | ieatlint: No it doesn't, |
| 09:02.18 | XorA | its amazing how people talk about "restricting my freedoms" then remove those freedoms from others |
| 09:02.22 | ieatlint | your video card makes sure it does |
| 09:02.25 | Fossi | once i get that damn stuff building X( |
| 09:02.29 | ExodusC | Aunulindale: I'm aware, the 3D acceleration really interested me, as well as a much faster CPU |
| 09:02.33 | ExodusC | err |
| 09:02.35 | Ainulindale | Fossi: What doesn't built ? |
| 09:02.36 | ExodusC | Ainulindale* |
| 09:02.37 | lymeca | looks for HDCP on his Debian box with free software video card drivers and DVI ports. |
| 09:02.41 | lymeca | Nope, not there! |
| 09:02.53 | wibbit | lymeca: I strongly resent the fact that I can't go in to a shop, buy a dvd/blueray disc, and watch it on my OS of choice, I think that is just plane wrong. |
| 09:02.57 | Ainulindale | ExodusC: the glamo isn't what you should look forward to, according to some people |
| 09:03.05 | ieatlint | lymeca: it's added on the hardware chip, just like macrovision was back in the day |
| 09:03.20 | lymeca | wibbit: Thank you. DRM is just plane wrong, and financially supporting it hurts all of us, except Sony. |
| 09:03.20 | ExodusC | Ainulindale: Is that so? |
| 09:03.22 | Rigolo | wibbit: but you can also not do that with DVD's .... or laserdiscs |
| 09:03.31 | Ainulindale | ExodusC: that's only what I heard |
| 09:03.41 | wibbit | lymeca: But, at the same time, these companies DO spend money recording these shows, that is an unequivocal fact. and I think shamelessly stating that you have no intention of "lining their pockets" is unfair. |
| 09:03.41 | lymeca | ieatlint: WHAT hardware chip? On my Radeon X1950? no, not there. I have NO HDMI ports. |
| 09:03.52 | ieatlint | lymeca: anyway, you really shouldn't dismiss a format based on personal opinions or crusades |
| 09:04.00 | wibbit | lymeca: I agree with DRM, it has it's place. |
| 09:04.03 | ieatlint | especially when your solution is to pirate the very format you're lambasting |
| 09:04.03 | lymeca | ieatlint: Why not? |
| 09:04.03 | Ainulindale | ExodusC: but then, with great hardware comes great respons^Wconsumption |
| 09:04.11 | lymeca | I refuse to support DRM. |
| 09:04.13 | lymeca | Simple. |
| 09:04.15 | wibbit | Rigolo: I included DVD's in my list. |
| 09:04.23 | lymeca | I won;t buy an iPhone, I won't bu Blu-Ray movies. |
| 09:04.27 | lymeca | I don't even buy DVDs |
| 09:04.30 | lymeca | CSS = No |
| 09:04.33 | ieatlint | heh |
| 09:04.33 | Rigolo | wibbit: sorry ... missed that one :-) |
| 09:04.35 | ExodusC | Ainulindale: ExodusC: but then, with great hardware comes great respons^Wconsumption |
| 09:04.35 | lymeca | Region codings are a scam |
| 09:04.37 | ExodusC | Ainulindale: What? |
| 09:04.38 | wibbit | Rigolo: :) |
| 09:04.47 | Ainulindale | ExodusC: Oh, it was a bad joke :-) |
| 09:04.47 | lymeca | ieatlint: And the smoking analogy does not work at all. |
| 09:04.49 | ieatlint | lymeca: your excuses are a bit too convenient to your pocket book to hold any weight |
| 09:04.55 | Ainulindale | Just saying that if you have powerful hardware you will consume more power |
| 09:04.57 | XorA | assumes lymeca doesnt beleive in any form of license and will quite happilly violate GPL as well |
| 09:04.58 | lymeca | Smoking once does little to nothing. |
| 09:05.01 | ExodusC | Ainulindale: You'll have to excuse me, I didn't catch it :) |
| 09:05.18 | Ainulindale | ExodusC: (an obscure reference to spiderman) |
| 09:05.19 | lymeca | XorA: I would never violate the GPL, I would only write software licesned under the GPL. |
| 09:05.23 | wibbit | lymeca: DRM, just means the ability to manage some thing, I have no issue with a company implementing DRM to prevent the execution of non-authorized software on corprate systems. That's just one example of where DRM is 100% appropriate. |
| 09:05.23 | Rigolo | is going to get some breakfast .... or brunch .. or what ever .. just something to eat :-) |
| 09:05.43 | XorA | lymeca: but in your anti DRM crusade you happilly violate other just as worthy licenses |
| 09:05.43 | lymeca | wibbit: It's not appropriate in my devices which I own. |
| 09:05.47 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.00 | XorA | lymeca: that blows your whole argument out the water and just shows you are too cheap to pay |
| 09:06.03 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: I think they should change that color too :-) |
| 09:06.05 | lymeca | XorA: It's not the licenses I'm trying to avoid, it's restrictions on my freedoms via technological locks. |
| 09:06.14 | ExodusC | Suppose I'll just hold out for GTA04 |
| 09:06.25 | ieatlint | lymeca: but as an advanced user like yourself, negating those blocks is a trivial affair |
| 09:06.32 | ExodusC | Or at least wait to see the proposed features of GTA04 |
| 09:06.35 | wibbit | lymeca: That's fine, but that should not be a blanket issue with DRM. Which is, to date, all you've been lambasting. DRM irrespective of it's uses. I just wanted to show you a perfectly valid use (in my eyes). |
| 09:06.36 | lymeca | I'll pay when I can buy videos in decent quality (doesn't need to be 1080p even) using free formats on the Internet. |
| 09:06.37 | XorA | lymeca: so your freedoms are more important that the creators of content, amazing how many pirates pull out that card |
| 09:06.45 | ieatlint | would it not be a better statement to act within your legal rights in defeating drm? |
| 09:07.13 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 09:07.14 | lymeca | wibbit: Point taken. I do understand DRM can have it's place. It's all about intent. I refuse to accept DRM into m life and have it cripple devices or media I own. |
| 09:07.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r2ce2b89e8361 10/packages/e17/e-wm/applications.menu: add "others" menu submenu |
| 09:07.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rb4483a43a670 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: busycover instead of busywin. |
| 09:07.26 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * re159086ce423 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: fix flaunch... |
| 09:07.26 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r1491446e56c1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia. Get tick's and jeremy's fixes (ringtone latency, keyboard fixes) |
| 09:07.26 | XorA | FLOOD |
| 09:07.30 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r4d40fafab09d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] assassin update, mem leak fixes |
| 09:07.33 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rdd5f9f6f8e0b 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add the important xprop, xev and xwinfo utilities |
| 09:07.36 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r0921fb72bcd8 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): and update to latest efl and illume that uses vkbd wrappers in ecore_x. |
| 09:07.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * re4500146a3ca 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up to 169... to match typo fix in ecore |
| 09:07.40 | wibbit | lymeca: I certainly think that DRM on information is a bad thing. |
| 09:07.42 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r8cf59c6047cb 10/packages/e17/e-wm_cvs.bb: [e-wm] Package the efm files somewhere else. we don't want to see firefox... and such |
| 09:07.45 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r3e8808460daa 10/packages/e17/e-wm_cvs.bb: e- remove default tarballs of apps etc. |
| 09:07.45 | ieatlint | at least get smart and switch to usenet :P |
| 09:07.50 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r5d0dbabc1889 10/packages/efl1/ecore_cvs.bb: re-enable software-16 engine (option changed) |
| 09:07.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rdec45e781e9c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: up efl date to get ecore build fixes. |
| 09:07.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rc3fcab109021 10/packages/efl1/ecore_cvs.bb: and actually use right option. |
| 09:07.59 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r433fbc3aa871 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up illume rev to fix segv |
| 09:08.04 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r3db20071adaf 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin. Change font, size and wording of dialogs |
| 09:08.07 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r4d8ca05db6e5 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Put mc, gpsd and devmem2 into the feed two |
| 09:08.10 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r875f55bc1183 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: [srcdate] Upgrade EFL to a date/time to really get today's version |
| 09:08.11 | lymeca | XorA: Yes my freedoms come first. I require such freedoms in order to financially support any technological endevour. |
| 09:08.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rca1f41bc3300 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume_svn.bb: [efl] Bump the PR of efl users to force a rebuild |
| 09:08.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r06c71e3bd7b1 10/packages/dhcp/ (dhcp_3.0.2.bb files/dhclient-nullptr.patch): [dhcp] Apply patch to make a null pointer warning/error go away |
| 09:08.22 | lymeca | I'll buy OpenMoko, I'll donate to Debian and the FSF |
| 09:08.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r0137be3e561f 10/packages/bluez/ (17 files): [bluez] Rework packaging of bluez-utils and bluez-utils-alsa (only provide asound pcm plugins) |
| 09:08.26 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rb032707db844 10/packages/bluez/ (8 files): [bluez-utils] Package the gstreamer audio modules |
| 09:08.29 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re85a00777d58 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add bluez-utils-alsa to the feed |
| 09:08.32 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rdd9ee7cdf596 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade opkg to get fixes for memory management |
| 09:08.32 | lymeca | I won't buy a PS3 or an iPhone |
| 09:08.38 | lymeca | Thats pretty simple in my mind. |
| 09:08.47 | XorA | lymeca: but you will take adventage of blu-ray for free |
| 09:09.04 | ieatlint | lymeca: under your reasoning, you are getting the movies free of drm, and you should therefore be blindly writing checks to the mpaa as much as you should to debian or the fsf |
| 09:09.07 | lymeca | XorA: Sort of. I was being hypothetical, I actually have downloaded 0 Blu-Ray rips. |
| 09:09.10 | wibbit | lymeca: just a thought though. If you don't agree with the limits that the producer puts on their creation, what makes you think you have a right to subvert their wishes? |
| 09:09.24 | XorA | lymeca: thats ok then :-D |
| 09:09.45 | XorA | lymeca: I just object to people using the freedom arguments as a cover for blatant cheapness :-) |
| 09:09.53 | lymeca | XorA: I would do it though, and I've downloaded plenty of DVD rips. I'm just not in a movie watching phase at the moment (moment being year+) |
| 09:10.13 | kd8ikt | ok ladies lets drop this subject |
| 09:10.15 | lymeca | XorA: Part of it is cheap. I'm a teenager, I don't have a job. I can't afford to spend as much money as they are asking. |
| 09:10.15 | ieatlint | wibbit: well, i agree that the limits are bullshit, but i feel entitled when i purchase a blu-ray movie and play it in linux or copy it to my hdd |
| 09:10.30 | ieatlint | don't violate the law, assert your rights under it |
| 09:10.39 | lymeca | wibbit: It depends on what you mean by subverting their wishes. |
| 09:10.44 | XorA | luckilly the ps3 makes a good blu-ray ripper :-) |
| 09:10.48 | wibbit | ieatlint: I agree with that one. |
| 09:11.32 | kd8ikt | i thought the whole design of bluray was to bring ripping/pirating to its knees? |
| 09:11.37 | wibbit | lymeca: I'm fairly certain that downloading their content with out their copy protection mechignism in place, AND not financially rewarding them for their efforts, would be considered to be subverting their wishes. |
| 09:11.43 | madwoota | as if |
| 09:11.55 | ieatlint | kd8ikt: it was hacked within months of introduction |
| 09:12.02 | kd8ikt | lol |
| 09:12.13 | ecraven | what is the correct --host to pass to gcc when cross-compiling for the FR? |
| 09:12.13 | ieatlint | it was hacked so quickly, that you could rip bluray/hd-dvd BEFORE you could play the content |
| 09:12.17 | kd8ikt | but i thought they could disable disc's from playing in devices |
| 09:12.24 | ieatlint | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.39 | lymeca | wibbit: True, but all of this is in the context of a completely fucked up copyright system. What is it now, LIFE + 75 YEARS?? nuts. I mostly download DVD rips from the '80s and before. I believe that stuff should be public domain. |
| 09:12.44 | kd8ikt | devices that where compromised |
| 09:12.45 | ieatlint | kd8ikt: kinda |
| 09:12.58 | ieatlint | keys that become compromised can be disabled using the devices |
| 09:13.16 | wibbit | I was fairly certain there was no confirmed reliable, consistent way to retrieve the data off of blue-ray discs, to be able to play unencrypted. |
| 09:13.21 | lymeca | wibbit: As for breaking the DRM: good. I don't care if any DRM-breakage is against a company's interests. I will do it now and forever if I have to. |
| 09:13.33 | lymeca | Downloading content for free is another ball of wax that's much more complicated. |
| 09:13.49 | XorA | wibbit: you need to look on piratebay for raw h264 from blu-ray disks :-) |
| 09:13.54 | lymeca | Pros and cons both ways |
| 09:14.03 | ieatlint | XorA: that could be a dump from hdmi |
| 09:14.34 | XorA | ieatlint: last I looked, that hacked up version of WinDVD was being used |
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| 09:14.45 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 09:14.57 | lymeca | Yeah I don't keep up on it either. |
| 09:14.59 | ieatlint | i haven't really tried since i first got my bd-rom |
| 09:15.04 | lymeca | I do hope they prevail though. |
| 09:15.06 | ieatlint | worked then though |
| 09:15.18 | lymeca | I'm not clamoring for BR rips |
| 09:15.20 | kd8ikt | awe sweet Ainulindale the http://moko.mwester.net/download/uImage_2008_07_16_gta02_4f77a7c0c74e54c3f0714c303b6ff14c39cae1a5.bin mwester(stable) kernel resumes perfect for me! |
| 09:15.35 | ieatlint | hd is awesome though :) |
| 09:15.36 | lymeca | but I hops they are traded to the far corners of the Internet |
| 09:15.37 | Ainulindale | Yep but the latest andy patches for the GPS are not there |
| 09:15.50 | kd8ikt | awe crap |
| 09:15.52 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 09:16.52 | kd8ikt | then again life would be boring if everything automagicly wokred |
| 09:17.30 | wibbit | lymeca: See that bit, I have problems agreeing with. |
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| 09:18.22 | lymeca | I love seeing any and all data traded on the Internet, even if I'm not downloading it. It gives me hope. |
| 09:18.23 | wibbit | XorA: See the thing is, it's currently reliant on Buggy windows software to perform the task, however that can't last. So unless they find a reliably repeatable method, I'd be concerned. |
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| 09:19.11 | lymeca | Screw all the naysayers, this is what the Internet was for, the free sharing of information. It's the grandest vision of the early TCP developers come to pass, and now there is a big cry to put the ship back in the bottle? |
| 09:19.55 | lymeca | It won't fit back in, and I think that's good. I'd rather back political change in the form of progressive solutions than cram decades of legacy, materialistic thinking down the proverbial throats of our childrens' futures. |
| 09:20.08 | wibbit | lymeca: I bet the people that envisioned the internet, did not include in their lofty goal's the ability to perform large scale theft. |
| 09:20.29 | wibbit | Just to enable those that wanted to, the ability to share their information easily, and cheaply |
| 09:20.34 | madwoota | theft performed by users or corporations? |
| 09:20.35 | ieatlint | lymeca: take a look at the net neutrality battle, then at china, and then tell me it won't go back in the bottle |
| 09:21.03 | lymeca | wibbit: It's NOT theft, and DON'T use the term piracy. NO one is LOSING anything. a POTENTIAL sale lost is NO physical loss as with a theft. Copyright infringement != theft, don't confuse it again please. |
| 09:21.04 | wibbit | users don't create the movies/songs/tv shows. |
| 09:21.34 | lymeca | looks |
| 09:21.35 | madwoota | selling someone drm infested junk then turning off your drm servers and saying "bad luck" is theft tho :) |
| 09:21.40 | lymeca | ieatlint: It won't go back in the bottle. |
| 09:21.44 | wibbit | lymeca: sorry, I don't agree with that mantra, please don't infringe my right to free speach, else I may have to accuse you of being hypocritical. |
| 09:21.50 | lymeca | madwoota: yup YUP! |
| 09:22.00 | lymeca | haha |
| 09:22.05 | lymeca | oOkay well |
| 09:22.56 | mjr | wibbit, well great, let's start calling everything starting from jaywalking "theft" and see how that works out for confusing the issues, like you apparently want to do |
| 09:23.07 | lymeca | I don't know, there's nothing for me to say to someone who thinks that theft is the same as copyright infringement. |
| 09:23.15 | lymeca | It's pretty, ummm |
| 09:23.19 | lymeca | dumb |
| 09:23.21 | mjr | hell, even the _law_ doesn't call copyright infringement theft |
| 09:23.22 | lymeca | sorry |
| 09:23.34 | ieatlint | lymeca: write a big long letter about how you feel about this, seal it, and open it in 10 years |
| 09:23.42 | ieatlint | it'll be funny |
| 09:23.43 | wibbit | ieatlint: hehehe |
| 09:23.43 | lymeca | Okay maybe not dumb... as much as blatantly ignorant. |
| 09:23.49 | mjr | at least anywhere I know, of course I don't know all laws everywhere :] |
| 09:23.55 | wibbit | lymeca: no, a difference in values |
| 09:24.06 | lymeca | wibbit: Respond to mjr then. |
| 09:24.38 | mjr | wibbit, no, your claim is a difference in language, namely, you propagate media companies newspeak even the laws (generally) don't agree with |
| 09:24.58 | lymeca | If I stole a CD from a store, the legal system will treat me differently from downloading that album. Because the legal system isn't totally ignorant. I'm glad you don't run the legal system is all I gotta say. |
| 09:25.32 | lymeca | theft != copyright infringement, there's not much else to say |
| 09:25.34 | XorA | lymeca: at least if you steal the cd they only fine you like 50 EUR and thats it :-D |
| 09:25.37 | wibbit | Alas, manager is now at work, and erm, work must comense. |
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| 09:25.48 | lymeca | XorA: Haha, well that's not the record companies |
| 09:25.54 | lymeca | =P |
| 09:26.06 | XorA | lymeca: a good reason why RIAA should never be allowed to make law |
| 09:26.11 | lymeca | heh |
| 09:26.19 | mjr | wibbit, convenient, but weren't you _stealing_ from your manager by ircing when he wasn't around? :þ |
| 09:26.44 | lymeca | XorA: mostly it's just exortion, you know, pay us or you'll have to pay an attorney to fight us |
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| 09:26.50 | lymeca | not proper legal repremanding |
| 09:26.52 | ieatlint | this conversation went downhill way too quickly |
| 09:27.03 | lymeca | mjr: HAHAHA oh man I literally laughed out loud for that one. |
| 09:27.06 | lymeca | Very clever. |
| 09:28.12 | lymeca | ieatlint: Do you agree with wibbit though? Do you think that theft = copyright infringement? Do you think that discussing and understanding such a clarification through discussion is not worth it? |
| 09:28.44 | ieatlint | i think that people are in the black and white, and unwilling to see or consider a gray area |
| 09:28.45 | mjr | ieatlint, tends to occur when someone wants to confuse the issue by equating dissimilar things using newspeak |
| 09:29.22 | lymeca | ieatlint: Can you enlighten me on what this grey area would look like in this case? |
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| 09:29.39 | lymeca | Is copyright infringement "sort of" theft? Is theft "sort of" copyright infringement? |
| 09:30.11 | mjr | copyright infringement is "sort of" neglecting to honor a mercantilist monopoly |
| 09:30.18 | ieatlint | lymeca: ok, say i'm toyota, and i decide to make a half-moon shaped car that looks stunningly similar to a VW ... did i "steal" the design? |
| 09:30.47 | mjr | like travelling to china to trade for silk when another company holds the crown monopoly for that :] |
| 09:30.50 | ieatlint | say i'm a soft drink maker, and i want to make a cola product called "koka-cola" ... did i "steal" the name? |
| 09:30.53 | lymeca | ieatlint: What on earth does that have to do with copyright infringement? |
| 09:31.03 | ieatlint | that is copyright infringement. |
| 09:31.07 | Zorkman | indeed |
| 09:31.14 | lymeca | ieatlint: WHOA NO!! That's Trademark law man! |
| 09:31.15 | XorA | that is trade mark infirngement |
| 09:31.18 | lindi- | ieatlint: sounds like trademark issue |
| 09:31.18 | mjr | ieatlint, incorrect |
| 09:31.20 | mjr | yeah |
| 09:31.27 | lymeca | jeez |
| 09:31.27 | lymeca | Intellectual Property my FOOT |
| 09:31.28 | Zorkman | Aldi has a brand of ice tea and they call it "Iced Tea" :) that is ok becasue those are real words i guess :) |
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| 09:31.36 | ieatlint | heh |
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| 09:31.39 | lymeca | Learn difference between trademarks, copyrights, and patents |
| 09:31.45 | ieatlint | it's the same concept |
| 09:31.50 | lymeca | No it's not. |
| 09:31.57 | lymeca | They are very different areas of law. |
| 09:32.03 | ieatlint | if honda made such a car, could VW claim every honda of the style sold was a specific loss from them? |
| 09:32.07 | lymeca | The laws have different origins and intent, rather. |
| 09:32.12 | ieatlint | law != concept |
| 09:32.30 | lymeca | Yes but those three laws represent very different concepts. |
| 09:32.52 | ieatlint | copyright infringement is de facto theft IF the action is in lieu of a sale |
| 09:33.09 | lymeca | Okay no. There's no laws against this, and there's much more to a car than the design of the chassis. |
| 09:33.10 | ieatlint | as to what percentage qualify under that definition... no one can realistically say |
| 09:33.18 | Fossi | heh, so much FUD in here |
| 09:33.20 | Fossi | amazing |
| 09:33.28 | Fossi | some people sould rtfl |
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| 09:33.34 | lymeca | If Toyota makes a better car that looks like the VW and it is still branded Toyota, they have done nothing wrong nor illegal. |
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| 09:33.54 | lymeca | And this has NOTHING to do with copyrights so I have no idea why you brought up this example. |
| 09:33.58 | Rigolo | is wondering what DRM there is in the FR .. and if I suspend the FR am I stealing from the battery manufacturer? |
| 09:34.08 | baku | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.19 | Fossi | baku: flash an older image? |
| 09:34.31 | ieatlint | lymeca: this is what i mean where you can't see anything in the gray area... you are right, utterly convinced of yourself and hostile to the opinions and interpretations of others |
| 09:34.38 | XorA | Rigolo: all GNU/linux systems I have ever seen have deeply embedded DRM |
| 09:34.40 | baku | yep ... I know... but maybe there was another approach :) |
| 09:34.54 | lymeca | ieatlint: Did you just say I was right? |
| 09:35.23 | lymeca | Or...did I miss an interpretation of yours that made sense or was a valid arguement that theft is "sort of" copyright infringement? |
| 09:35.48 | lymeca | ...if that indeed was what you were trying to argue. |
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| 09:35.52 | ieatlint | no one's opinion is about to be changed, and no new perspectives are about to be understood... this conversation is pointless, off-topic, and consuming this channel as a whole |
| 09:35.56 | mjr | Rigolo, not sure but there might be some DRM in the GSM chip to prevent unauthorized flashing. |
| 09:36.11 | lindi- | ieatlint: i would like to understand what your opinion was |
| 09:36.17 | lymeca | mjr: In the GSM chips firmware? |
| 09:36.22 | lindi- | ieatlint: so much noise that it was hard to figure that out |
| 09:36.32 | Rigolo | mjr: mmmm let's buidl an openmoko-ng straight away then :-) |
| 09:36.33 | lymeca | ieatlint: Yeah, I actually don't know what your opinion is after all that. |
| 09:36.34 | ieatlint | my opinion, quite simply, is that copyright infringement is theft if you would have otherwise paid for the materials |
| 09:36.36 | Fossi | XorA: then again, the license(s) happen(s) to be 'a tad' on the generous side ;) |
| 09:36.47 | XorA | even NAND has DRM |
| 09:37.03 | ieatlint | if you wouldn't have paid... it's morally questionable at best |
| 09:37.05 | XorA | depends on how you define DRM really |
| 09:37.15 | Rigolo | XorA: only approved bits are alowed to be stored on there? :-) |
| 09:37.23 | mjr | ieatlint, and my opinion, quite simply, is that you're confusing the issue with newspeak too, though not quite as much as some others. |
| 09:37.24 | lindi- | ieatlint: illegal yes |
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| 09:38.02 | lindi- | ieatlint: but i am not sure if changing the definition of the word "steal" is needed here |
| 09:38.09 | mjr | ieatlint, why do you insist on walking over a well-defined term like theft when you could just say it's "wrong" |
| 09:38.18 | ieatlint | mjr: call it a faceless corporation all you want, the people at the bottom see the cuts, not the people at the top |
| 09:38.18 | mjr | (in your opinion, of course) |
| 09:38.25 | ieatlint | and i just happen to know a few too many people at that bottom |
| 09:38.46 | ieatlint | mjr: because i'm not a lawyer |
| 09:38.49 | ieatlint | i speak english |
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| 09:38.59 | lindi- | ieatlint: my english dictionary says 'To constitute theft there must be a taking without the owner's consent, and it must be unlawful or felonious; every part of the property stolen must be removed, however slightly, from its former position; and it must be, at least momentarily, in the complete possession of the thief. See {Larceny}, and the Note under {Robbery}. [1913 Webster]' |
| 09:39.01 | XorA | and of course the SIM in GSM is a classic DRM device |
| 09:39.02 | ieatlint | colloquial english applies the words theft and steal to things the law does not |
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| 09:39.26 | lymeca | lindi-: Ohh, nice one. |
| 09:39.36 | XorA | in Scotland to steal something you just need to prevent the owner having full use of the object |
| 09:39.42 | Zorkman | lindi-: when you download something, not "every part of the property stolen" is moved :p |
| 09:39.43 | Fossi | as if any big label/publisher had done anything good for music/games as a whole and not only for a few |
| 09:39.50 | lymeca | There's really no arguing against Webster's. Pull the English language card, get slapped in the face with Websters. |
| 09:40.20 | mjr | ieatlint, yes, sadly colloquial english is buying into the whole confusing newspeak to some extent, but it should be fought. It _doesn't_ help anyone to call infringement theft. At best it'll make infrintement woesayers look foolish in the eyes of the new generations because _they_ know, generally, quite well it's not the same thing. |
| 09:40.57 | lindi- | lymeca: well, i couldn't find anything newer that'd be free. wordnet had very short description of theft |
| 09:41.06 | ieatlint | my dictionary says theft is the act of stealing |
| 09:41.11 | ieatlint | and stealing is "to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch. " |
| 09:41.21 | ieatlint | a movie == intellectual PROPERTY |
| 09:41.28 | lymeca | eeewwww |
| 09:41.30 | lymeca | IP |
| 09:41.35 | mjr | ieatlint, intellectual property is another piece of newspeak |
| 09:41.38 | ieatlint | so go right ahead and argue semantics back and forth |
| 09:41.42 | lymeca | I think we just found more newspeak! |
| 09:41.43 | wibbit | I'm fairly certain that how ever you want to twist it, using some one's work, and not giving them what they've asked for is wrong, legally and morally. If you don't like the terms, then don't use it. |
| 09:42.05 | ieatlint | mjr: dismisses my opinions using buzz words is a really illegitimate argument |
| 09:42.14 | mjr | copyrights, patents and stuff are _government-mandated monopolish_, the proponents are just trying to tack along to the more respectable "property" term |
| 09:42.19 | lymeca | Theiving more of your manager's money? |
| 09:42.19 | wibbit | People are very quick to say "steeling and copy right infringment are not the same thing under law", but then they skip the bit that covers copy right infringment also being wrong, as far as the law is concerned. |
| 09:42.52 | wibbit | but any way, it's a matter of personal values, and I disagree with some of the one's being propagated by certain individuals. |
| 09:42.56 | mjr | wibbit, then just fucking say it's _wrong_, don't say it's _the same as theft_ |
| 09:43.07 | mjr | that's the whole point so far |
| 09:43.10 | wibbit | lymeca: I'll work extra hours to cover it. |
| 09:43.12 | lymeca | wibbit: 1) the second part being true does nothing to negate the first part. 2) all laws are not created equal and some laws are BETTER broken |
| 09:43.46 | wibbit | lymeca: Yes, the ones you like and the ones you don't. That's a quick way to civil anarchy. |
| 09:43.58 | mjr | ieatlint, well you're _basing_ your whole argument _in_ buzzwords, so I'm not sure what to think of that |
| 09:44.17 | lymeca | wibbit: Okay, I'd love it if you were a black woman and you lived in Georgia in 1825. Then we'll see what you think of "civil anarchy". |
| 09:44.20 | kd8ikt | how would i go about checking out this kernel git revision? 4f77a7c0c74e54c3f0714c303b6ff14c39cae1a5 |
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| 09:44.27 | Fossi | i really don't care about most of this, but what *really* annoys me is that things like patents, copyright and such really made sense once when the laws were put into place |
| 09:44.47 | Fossi | and most people discussing that forget about the intentions of laws |
| 09:44.56 | ieatlint | mjr: theft -- the act of stealing; stealing -- taking property; property "that which a person owns" (eg, a movie) |
| 09:45.04 | ieatlint | my dictionary sure has a lot of buzz words |
| 09:45.09 | ieatlint | newspeak, oddly, it does not have |
| 09:45.09 | lymeca | Fossi: Even the current keyholders to change the laws, it's sad, too. |
| 09:45.15 | mjr | ieatlint, "intellectual property" _is_ a buzzword |
| 09:45.21 | freerunnerliv1 | gnomesword for freerunner ? |
| 09:45.31 | kd8ikt | like what albert einstein did <stole patents and made them his own> |
| 09:45.32 | ieatlint | sorry for throwing intellectual to front of the word property to be more specific? |
| 09:45.57 | kd8ikt | fam-guy |
| 09:46.12 | ieatlint | intellectual property: Law. property that results from original creative thought, as patents, copyright material, and trademarks. |
| 09:46.22 | ieatlint | origin 1840 |
| 09:46.24 | mjr | ieatlint, no, not to be spesific. To borrow the respectability of the word "property" to an unrelated government-mandated monopoly (that is, copyrights). |
| 09:46.25 | xt | Should be able to patent ideas imo, to prevent others from stealing my good thoughts |
| 09:46.26 | lymeca | ieatlint: It actually makes it far more ambiguous than you appear to understand. |
| 09:46.27 | ieatlint | man, these buzzwords... |
| 09:46.47 | mjr | ieatlint, besides, taking != copying |
| 09:47.16 | ieatlint | your entire argument is based on semantics |
| 09:47.34 | mjr | ieatlint, of course, because I _argue_ against _your_ faulty semantics |
| 09:47.47 | mjr | what else should it be based on? |
| 09:47.50 | ieatlint | yes, the dictionary has quite the agenda |
| 09:48.04 | mjr | no, your reading of the dictionary has quite the ageneda |
| 09:48.17 | lymeca | ieatlint: Is it semantics to point out that you believe that stealing physical property is the same as copying numbers? Guilty as charged. |
| 09:48.19 | mjr | but okay, let's make it plain: |
| 09:48.19 | ieatlint | i'm following a pretty specific set of words |
| 09:48.43 | mjr | "<ieatlint> and stealing is "to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch." |
| 09:48.52 | Zorkman | says whoever gets exposure to open on my FreeRunner is right ^_^ |
| 09:48.53 | ieatlint | you say a movie isn't intellectual property and call that a "buzz word" -- even though it dates back to 1840 and specifically addresses things like a movie |
| 09:48.59 | lymeca | I half expect you to start using the "terrorism" term. |
| 09:49.07 | mjr | ieatlint, now, if I rather than pickpocket, point a magic wand at your watch, and copy it to my wrist, have I stolen your watch? |
| 09:49.21 | ieatlint | if i'm selling watches, yeah |
| 09:49.31 | mjr | hahahahaha |
| 09:49.34 | lymeca | hahah |
| 09:49.35 | lymeca | whoa |
| 09:49.39 | lymeca | ginks |
| 09:49.56 | wibbit | mjr: if some one has spent a lot of time working out that a certain combination of numbers, result in some thing incredibly productive, and they invest time and effort in to the realisation, and some one else just comes a long and benefits from that time and effort with out honoring the original persons wish, then I personally would consider that theft, and I don't care what the law says on the matter, that is my personal belief. |
| 09:49.59 | mjr | okay, very well, I see you can't be budged from your insanity, carry on |
| 09:50.12 | lymeca | ieatlint: find ONE country, ONE government, ONE legal system, ONE court who would agree with you |
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| 09:50.29 | lindi- | ieatlint: i don't still see why you'd want to change the definition of 'theft' to include copyright infridgement. as mjr said you can just have both and call them wrong |
| 09:50.45 | lymeca | Yes! |
| 09:50.53 | ieatlint | fine, i'll argue my semantics |
| 09:50.54 | lymeca | Just please say they're both wrong! |
| 09:50.59 | Fossi | lymeca: well, if you call it 'intellectual property', 'copyright infringement' and 'piracy' you might |
| 09:51.00 | ieatlint | copyright infringement is tantamount to theft |
| 09:51.39 | mjr | lindi-, it's because they want the respectability of preventing "theft" to carry on to preventing "infrigingement", it's pure and simple propaganda |
| 09:51.40 | Fossi | tantwhat? |
| 09:51.46 | Fossi | gets a dictionary ;D |
| 09:52.05 | ieatlint | yeah, i didn't know the word until i learnt about NAFTA :) |
| 09:52.22 | Fossi | what's the nafta tantamount to? |
| 09:52.29 | ieatlint | nothing |
| 09:52.35 | ieatlint | well, you could argue something |
| 09:52.55 | kd8ikt | that like coleman camp fuel? |
| 09:52.58 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 09:52.59 | mjr | wibbit, anyway, you'd better arrange to be paid for what you do beforehand, or take the risk as an entrepreneur. I don't think the government should intervene in that manner. |
| 09:53.25 | Zorkman | aany has the problem that the powerbutton doesn't work anymore in the ASU? |
| 09:53.26 | kd8ikt | zippos fuel |
| 09:53.31 | Zorkman | short press or long press do nothing |
| 09:53.32 | kd8ikt | naptha |
| 09:53.54 | Zorkman | (it does work in 2007.2 so no hardware issue) |
| 09:54.18 | ieatlint | Fossi: think of it this way, if i were a huge unkempt and buff guy who stood outside an atm, and asked people firmly "can i please have the money you just withdrew?" -- that would be tantamount to theft -- even though i asked, not demanded |
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| 09:55.10 | lymeca | ieatlint: And then the smaller person wouldn't have that money anymore. Tantamount to theft it is. Copyright infringement is fundamentally different, too bad you ignore that. |
| 09:55.15 | Fossi | ieatlint: well, that's bullying ;D |
| 09:55.23 | Fossi | you put presure on the people |
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| 09:55.27 | mjr | ieatlint, again, taking != copying |
| 09:55.44 | Zorkman | anyone: power button doesn't work in the asu and now it doesnt work to start up my device! |
| 09:55.58 | ieatlint | mjr: well, our values are different |
| 09:56.04 | lymeca | I feel like I'm talking to a brainwashed Apple fanboy about why the iPhone is harmful. |
| 09:56.06 | Fossi | if i pressure someone to 'copy' some stuff they made, that's more like it |
| 09:56.15 | ieatlint | i'm a huge fan of OSS, and support the GPL and have been an EFF member since 2000 |
| 09:56.18 | mjr | ieatlint, no, our language is different. You're trying to use yours for political points. |
| 09:56.20 | wibbit | mjr, you make a good point, the government certainly should look to protect the rights of their charges, that would just be stupid. |
| 09:56.20 | Fossi | i understand that people make a living from movies etc |
| 09:56.23 | lindi- | ieatlint: mv and cp are different things :) |
| 09:56.25 | lymeca | ieatlint: It has nothing to do with VALUES. |
| 09:56.29 | Fossi | and i want to support those people |
| 09:56.39 | Fossi | and i guess that's the same with everybody in here |
| 09:56.46 | lindi- | ieatlint: we can't even discuss values if we can't agree on terminology :) |
| 09:56.46 | wibbit | mjr: While we are on it, I suppose I should make sure I bring my revolver out where ever I go, just to protect my self from any one who looks to do me harm. |
| 09:56.48 | mjr | ieatlint, of course our values are different as well |
| 09:56.56 | Fossi | but the whole industry and drm is not something i want to support |
| 09:56.58 | lymeca | It has to do with FACTS, language, and definitions of words we agree upon in order to have a sane, logical dialogue about the world around us. |
| 09:56.59 | mjr | ieatlint, but that wasn't the issue just now |
| 09:57.26 | XorA | just reminds people that Linus stole SCO using IBM :-D |
| 09:57.40 | ieatlint | shakes his head |
| 09:57.55 | ieatlint | until you acknowledge a gray area, i refuse to continue this conversation |
| 09:58.01 | lpotter | thought IBM stole Linus from SCO |
| 09:58.11 | mjr | wibbit, of course they should protect the citizen's rights. I merely emphatically do not believe that anyone has an inalienable right to stop people from helping each other out with information. |
| 09:58.13 | lymeca | wibbit: What dos that have to do with anything? It might be making a valid point but I don't get it. |
| 09:58.54 | Zorkman | is there anything i can do except removing the button when the powerbutton doesn't work? (to boot the device) |
| 09:59.26 | Fossi | http://rafb.net/p/K0yCuR92.html hints anybody? |
| 09:59.26 | wibbit | mjr: I think if two parties which to work together, then so be it (and the world will honestly be a better place for it). But that's not what is being discussed here (or I didn't think it was). |
| 09:59.27 | Zorkman | (the battery is fully charged) |
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| 10:00.03 | mjr | wibbit, yes it was. Copyright == right to prevent people from helping each other |
| 10:00.29 | Fossi | Zorkman: ssh in? |
| 10:01.24 | wibbit | mjr: "people helping each other" is significantly different from people making use of some one elses work against their express permission. They are NOT the same thing, and I'm sorry, but the argument is idiotic to suggest it is, |
| 10:02.17 | Zorkman | Fossi: but i can't even get into uboot; is it possible to do something then? |
| 10:03.01 | Fossi | Zorkman: so the telephone doesn't start? |
| 10:03.05 | edistar | Zorkman: what happened? |
| 10:03.15 | ecraven | anyone here toolchain-savvy? |
| 10:03.25 | ecraven | where do i get xtst for the neo? i want to add it to my toolchain |
| 10:03.51 | wibbit | Fossi: Zorkman, edistar; you're not actually going to try and have an on topic conversation are you?!? |
| 10:03.54 | Zorkman | Fossi: no i get no response from power button or power +auw or aux + power |
| 10:03.56 | mjr | wibbit, nay, they're merely using the results of that work. This is important. People should be paid for any work they do, and if they don't get paid, well, they take the risk as entrepreneurs if they do it anyway, not for hire. Regardless, why is it significantly different? Do you claim that one does _not_ help another by giving them a copy of say, some record they want? And why is "against their express permission" different from what I just said, "a ... |
| 10:03.57 | Zorkman | i had to remove the battery |
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| 10:04.02 | mjr | ... right to stop" the aforementioned transaction? |
| 10:04.04 | Zorkman | (in the asu the powerbutton also didn't work) |
| 10:04.27 | Fossi | bit much noise in here |
| 10:04.42 | Zorkman | just like calling with the FreeRunner :p |
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| 10:05.24 | wibbit | mjr: can you tell me how the "each other" i.e. a mutual help between both parties, is covered by one party taking the proceed's of the other party, that parasitic not a symbiosis. |
| 10:05.56 | Zorkman | now my phone hangs (boooting ASU from SD); it says "starting Xserver" and nothing happens |
| 10:06.07 | Zorkman | (the cursor does blink) |
| 10:06.08 | wibbit | any way, this isn't the right channel, you and I are unlikely to have a common ground on some of the fundamentals of this argument. |
| 10:07.06 | ronny | yo |
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| 10:07.21 | ronny | after the last upgrade my moko wont boot any more, anything known about that? |
| 10:07.41 | Zorkman | edistar: the powerbutton didn't work anymore in the asy, i had to shutdown "now" through ssh, when trying to boot the phone, the powerbutton also didn't work anymore, had to pull the battery out and now it just says "starting Xserver" |
| 10:07.49 | ronny | (it wont even get to the kernel messags) |
| 10:07.52 | Zorkman | ronny: had the samme: pull out the battery |
| 10:08.10 | mjr | wibbit, I didn't claim it helped the original creator of the information in question, but another person. It was still helping. And of course, transactions such as those often _do_ help the author as well through word of mouth, but that's a different matter. I wasn't interested in the author in this case. Either the author arranges to be paid beforehand, he takes the risk as an entrepreneur, or he just does something else for a living. _Making a living in ... |
| 10:08.16 | mjr | ... your preferred area of business is not a human right_, after all. |
| 10:08.25 | ronny | Zorkman: doesnt fix it |
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| 10:09.10 | XorA | all this conversation convinces me of is I should be selling sex not software :-D |
| 10:09.19 | Rigolo | ronny: did you do a opkg update/upgrade on a devel rootfs? I think the lateste 2.6.24-git25 kernel breaks at the moment |
| 10:09.31 | mjr | XorA, but remember, if you sell sex, and someone rapes you, it's _theft_! |
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| 10:09.40 | Deubeuliou | Hi |
| 10:10.14 | ronny | Rigolo: pretty much that, when will it be fixed? |
| 10:10.35 | Deubeuliou | Is a new phone with better hardware specs planned to be designed soon, or will the Freerunner "last" a long time ? |
| 10:10.52 | XorA | the freerunner will last a lifetime :-D |
| 10:11.07 | Deubeuliou | I heard that a GTA 3 was planned :p |
| 10:11.35 | Rigolo | ronny: next sucessfull kernel build? no idea really .... flash back to an older image |
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| 10:12.23 | ronny | Rigolo: im using a older image, opkg upgrade killed it :/ |
| 10:12.25 | Zorkman | hmmm my asu now stops at the booting screen... |
| 10:13.02 | ronny | same issue ;P |
| 10:14.19 | Zorkman | so will the only sollution be to reflash (and lose all the changes)? |
| 10:14.23 | mjr | (Funny though how people don't try and call rape theft, perhaps it's because just calling rape what it is gets you taken seriously, unlike some other things.) |
| 10:15.24 | XorA | mjr: amusingly in Scottish law, I think I could define that as theft of anus ;-) |
| 10:15.26 | lymeca | heh |
| 10:15.58 | lymeca | "Judge, he infringed my copyrights!" makes you sound a whole lot more whiny than "Judge, he STOLE from me!" |
| 10:16.25 | ecraven | where can i request the addition of libraries into the toolchain? |
| 10:16.31 | mjr | XorA, well, you know, scots with their kilts and their archetypical concentration on possession, maybe there you can ;) |
| 10:16.36 | XorA | ecraven: devel@ |
| 10:16.50 | tc | Deubeuliou: I new phone is planned, but if that stops you buying a Freerunner then you'll never buy a phone - all companies constantly develop :) |
| 10:16.57 | XorA | avoids kilts |
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| 10:17.24 | mjr | XorA, that's all right, but do you wear anything under it then? |
| 10:17.37 | XorA | mjr: Ive only worn hired ones so yes |
| 10:17.45 | ecraven | does anyone know how i can get the toolchain to compile libXtst? ./autogen.sh ... reports LINT does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL |
| 10:17.53 | XorA | mjr: anyway scotland also has lots of barbedwire |
| 10:17.53 | mjr | XorA, I meant the kilt you're not wearing |
| 10:17.57 | opendeep | I got errors while opkg update, URL: http://rafb.net/p/Y6XujJ42.html |
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| 10:18.09 | XorA | mjr: I hate to think when happens when that is combined with underwearless kilts |
| 10:18.12 | opendeep | any hint? |
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| 10:18.43 | XorA | mjr: you shall have to hack my webcam for answer to that :_D |
| 10:18.51 | Deubeuliou | <tc> Deubeuliou: I new phone is planned, but if that stops you buying a Freerunner then you'll never buy a phone - all companies constantly develop :) <-- yeah, that's right :) I was looking 3's features... it still won't have the 3G, but since I'll never use that 3G.... ^^ |
| 10:19.19 | cesarb | Is qemu working for anyone? It is failing boot for me both with 2007.2 and with ASU |
| 10:19.26 | mjr | XorA, that's a challenge, then |
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| 10:20.55 | Fossi | opendeep: can you wet any of those? |
| 10:21.01 | lymeca | GTA03 will have EDGE I believe, but no UMTS (3G) |
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| 10:21.16 | mjr | lymeca, yeah that's the word on the street at least |
| 10:21.28 | lymeca | Also, I believe it will have a camera. |
| 10:21.34 | mjr | lymeca, yeah that's the word on the street at least |
| 10:21.44 | lymeca | =P |
| 10:21.53 | mjr | anyway, no _major_ upheavals for gta03 planned so buy your gta02s ;) |
| 10:22.02 | Zorkman | cesarb: it's been a long time since i used it, but it worked, but only for GTA01 emulation |
| 10:22.21 | wibbit | mjr: any news on whether or not that capacitor modification is goign to be included in the new batches of the gta02's? |
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| 10:22.58 | mjr | wibbit, I believe I saw wasit joerg say on the list that yes, but don't take my recollection for it |
| 10:23.09 | wibbit | mjr: cheers |
| 10:23.16 | opendeep | Fossi:what do you mean "wet" |
| 10:23.18 | wibbit | mjr: probably best to wait till they are relased and check then |
| 10:23.29 | Fossi | opendeep: sorry, wget |
| 10:23.53 | Fossi | anybody know why crosscompiling fails: http://rafb.net/p/K0yCuR92.html ? |
| 10:24.01 | cesarb | Zorkman: it's for GTA01 I want to use it... and for some reason every image I compiled recently failed on it |
| 10:24.34 | XorA | Fossi: no, thats a new one |
| 10:24.37 | cesarb | suspects a borked uboot |
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| 10:25.31 | Fossi | damn |
| 10:25.37 | lindi- | Deubeuliou: just buy gta02 and attach a 3G usb stick |
| 10:25.55 | opendeep | Fossi:when I wget from device it gives wget: bad address 'buildhost.openmoko.org' |
| 10:26.04 | Fossi | i don't want to waste my time again, i think i'll try a new mokomkaefile install |
| 10:26.11 | Fossi | opendeep: so, you don't have dns configured? |
| 10:26.16 | XorA | only gets 3G one half of his flat |
| 10:26.25 | XorA | not this half :-( |
| 10:26.40 | Deubeuliou | I have one question about the GPS: is an antenna _required_ or does it only permit better reception ? |
| 10:27.01 | opendeep | Fossi: I am able to ping yahoo.com and other network ip's. |
| 10:27.01 | mjr | Deubeuliou, the external antenna is optional for better reception |
| 10:27.11 | mjr | _an_ antenna is required, but there's an internal one... |
| 10:27.40 | cesarb | Yep, borked uboot, getting the one from make download-images worked |
| 10:28.18 | Deubeuliou | ok, thank you |
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| 10:29.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4560 10/trunk/src/host/opkg-utils/ (10 files): |
| 10:29.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: opkg-util make .opk as the default file extension |
| 10:29.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: "opkg-build -i ..." means creating .ipk file for backward support |
| 10:30.42 | Fossi | opendeep: can you ping buildhost.openmoko.org ? |
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| 10:32.23 | ecraven | where can i find an ipkg for matchbox-keyboard? |
| 10:32.28 | opendeep | Fossi: on device ping to ip is working but not dns name. even when i ping www.yahoo.com , it did not work. |
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| 10:33.15 | Zorkman | opendeep: did you change the nameserver on the FreeRunner? |
| 10:34.28 | Fossi | ecraven: didn't the wiki have one? |
| 10:34.31 | spydon | ecraven, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards#Matchbox_keyboard |
| 10:34.35 | opendeep | Zorkman:no , it's 192.168.0.200 only |
| 10:35.00 | Fossi | and that machine is running a dns server? |
| 10:36.42 | Zorkman | if your host is not running a dns server you should use the same nameserver on your FreeRunner as on your host |
| 10:37.18 | ecraven | what is a stroke app that works well on the FR? |
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| 10:37.25 | ecraven | i can't figure out all the strokes for matchbox-stroke |
| 10:39.49 | swc|666 | just use 208.67.222.222 as the nameserver, then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 10:43.30 | Zorkman | anyone else except ronny not able to boot their newly updated ASU? |
| 10:47.19 | Tanuva | my fso doesnt pull any updates at all... |
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| 10:56.05 | Varox | hi guys |
| 10:57.13 | Varox | are there any news about the battery lifetime, or is it still about 24 h ? |
| 10:57.44 | mjr | you can get days if you trust the suspend code... |
| 10:58.25 | Varox | is it smart to trust the suspend code? |
| 10:58.56 | Varox | with suspend you mean standby? |
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| 11:05.03 | Tanuva | its suspend - acpi s3 iirc |
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| 11:21.22 | Ainulindale | Still no news about the projects SVN issue ? |
| 11:23.35 | Zorkman | anyone else except ronny not able to boot their newly updated ASU? |
| 11:24.58 | Ainulindale | roh, mickey|zzZZzz : there's nothing you can do about the OM projects SVN ? |
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| 11:38.56 | Rigolo | Zorkman: I had the same issue with 2007.2 ... and that was after the kernel upgrade to git25 |
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| 11:43.23 | niap | the current kernel upgrade fails, unfortunately after erasing the flash |
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| 11:47.44 | ronny | hmm, when the heck will the fscking kernel package get fixed ? |
| 11:48.03 | ronny | its in there since hours, nobody seems to care |
| 11:48.38 | Rigolo | ronny: everyday a new build is done .. automatically |
| 11:48.52 | Rigolo | if you want it quicker ... then build your own |
| 11:49.17 | Rigolo | or use the July 22th image .. and do not upgrade your kernel |
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| 11:53.48 | ronny | Rigolo: still leaving broken kernels that break the system on update in the public repos is kinda bad |
| 11:54.38 | Rigolo | ronny: that is why it is a development image .. not a released image or repo |
| 11:55.00 | ronny | Rigolo: it is in the opkg package repos and gets installed with opkg upgrade |
| 11:56.02 | ronny | in fact, i reflashed with the older images various time just to get my device bricked after upgrade just again |
| 11:56.21 | Rigolo | devel images use a different repo then release images |
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| 11:57.05 | HardDisk_WP | is it possible to get debian on the openmoko? |
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| 11:57.26 | Rigolo | looks like it ... see the wiki :-) |
| 11:58.04 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4561 10/trunk/src/host/opkg-utils/ (opkg-build opkg.py): make ipk as default opk as an option |
| 11:58.23 | ronny | hmm |
| 11:58.37 | anasazi | ronny and rigolo: as you seem to discuss something in that way: with my last opkg upgrade yesterday my FR (2007.02) boots the kernel, starts X, but the "please wait" screen stays there forever (however the topbar is shown correctly) |
| 11:58.44 | anasazi | any idea what goes wrong here? |
| 11:58.56 | ronny | time to set up an own build thing |
| 11:58.59 | ronny | anasazi: no idea |
| 11:59.05 | ronny | anasazi: other issue tho |
| 11:59.06 | anasazi | ah and I can remotely start X applications which run fine... |
| 11:59.11 | anasazi | mkay |
| 11:59.13 | anasazi | :-/ |
| 11:59.57 | Fossi | is openmoko-today running? |
| 12:00.08 | mw| | could be dbus not running |
| 12:00.18 | Zorkman | anasazi: my ASU hangs also on "starting Xserver", is there any way to solve this besides reflashing? |
| 12:00.21 | mw| | or openmoko-today is failing to run |
| 12:00.27 | Rigolo | having the topbar running is different that the "kernel of death" upgrade :-) |
| 12:00.52 | anasazi | ah |
| 12:00.56 | ronny | hmm, i guess i have to figure how to run images |
| 12:01.00 | anasazi | root@om-gta02:~# ps axu | grep today |
| 12:01.00 | anasazi | root 1292 6.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z 13:58 0:04 [openmoko-today] <defunct> |
| 12:01.25 | anasazi | Rigolo: ok I guess I only saw the end of your discussion ;-) |
| 12:01.50 | anasazi | Zorkman: I don't know :-/ |
| 12:01.51 | mw| | openmoko-today died... |
| 12:02.31 | Rigolo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian |
| 12:03.29 | anasazi | what is openmoko-today? |
| 12:03.41 | anasazi | main application or something? |
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| 12:04.59 | Rigolo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2 |
| 12:05.39 | anasazi | ah thanks |
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| 12:06.18 | Dave | What's new, kiddies? |
| 12:06.22 | anasazi | it seems the dbus daemon is not running |
| 12:06.23 | anasazi | ok |
| 12:06.24 | Zorkman | ASU won't start :p |
| 12:07.27 | Zorkman | dbus does run here: root 1354 0.0 0.5 2112 704 ? Ss 12:03 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-d |
| 12:07.46 | Zorkman | but today is not |
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| 12:08.42 | Dave | So, nothing new then :) |
| 12:08.51 | Dave | ASU never worked [correctly] :P |
| 12:09.02 | Zorkman | it at least booted :( |
| 12:09.46 | Rigolo | Zorkman: well .. that is something then .. can you ssh back in now? maybe you can fix it then :-) |
| 12:09.59 | Zorkman | im ssh'd in :) |
| 12:10.01 | Dave | ASU boots you :p |
| 12:10.12 | Zorkman | but i have absolutely no clue how do fix anything |
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| 12:10.37 | methril | Zorkman ps the process and see what is missing |
| 12:10.40 | Fossi | well, then learn and try ;) |
| 12:10.53 | methril | try to start and check the logs to see what happens |
| 12:10.54 | Rigolo | Zorkman: how about rolling back to previous versions ? |
| 12:11.24 | Zorkman | this is what ps axu gives: http://pastebin.com/m41ac0ca5 |
| 12:11.29 | Rigolo | Zorkman: and if you screw up ... you can always reflash :-) at least you can get anything off the phone right now that you want to keep |
| 12:11.59 | Dave | :o |
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| 12:12.06 | quickdev | Hello |
| 12:12.09 | Dave | Hallo Fossi :p |
| 12:12.09 | Zorkman | llo |
| 12:12.16 | Dave | What do you want, quickdev? |
| 12:12.46 | quickdev | Do I have to want something? :) |
| 12:13.41 | Fossi | huh. hi. |
| 12:13.41 | Rigolo | no, but if yo are quickdev, can you quickly develop a stable ASU for us :-) |
| 12:13.53 | Zorkman | was thinking the same thing :) |
| 12:14.11 | Fossi | echo "stable/ASU" > /dev/quick |
| 12:14.12 | Dave | forces quickdev to create a blackberry RAD tool for him. |
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| 12:15.28 | quickdev | hehe |
| 12:16.37 | quickdev | Is it possible to manually suspend the phone? |
| 12:16.42 | Zorkman | apm -s |
| 12:17.17 | Zorkman | or in the asu (when it boots): press and hold the powerkey |
| 12:17.21 | bumbl | does anyone know how to resolve this? http://rafb.net/p/9cDzcq64.html |
| 12:19.54 | Gnutoo | bumbl, if it does come from openembedded mabe just change the package prefered versions...do a grep in order to find the right file |
| 12:20.07 | `pwgen` | bumbl: change to ./build and type : bitbake libcairo2; bitbake libpixman; bitbake ... ; bitbake package-index |
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| 12:20.48 | bumbl | that problem appears while opkg upgrade on asu & freerunner |
| 12:20.57 | `pwgen` | if libcairo fails: search for the bb file for libcairo and build it by hand |
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| 12:21.17 | `pwgen` | its cause the index files are missing your dependencies |
| 12:22.37 | bumbl | `pwgen`: I can't build here because the pc is too slow |
| 12:23.04 | `pwgen` | hmm the you have to wait until someone fixes your upstream |
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| 12:27.12 | XorA | all those files are available on buildhost |
| 12:27.32 | XorA | guesses you messed with you feed configs |
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| 12:29.24 | Fossi | bumbl: check if you have multiple feeds with incompatible versions |
| 12:30.34 | Dave | Hey bumble :) |
| 12:31.17 | Dave | hahaha, pesky germans. |
| 12:33.35 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07artwork * rac87be596188 10/illume/ (illume.edj illume_init.edj): enable manual keyboard button |
| 12:33.35 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07artwork * r5cdedae0e459 10/illume/illume.edj: unify background |
| 12:33.37 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r82a7a122d16b 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py: odeviced: first sketch at audio scenario API |
| 12:33.44 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r95033b048a0f 10/otapi/ (2 files in 2 dirs): org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in: fix tone parameter in SendDtmf, thanks Ainulindale! |
| 12:34.18 | Dave | all your amps |
| 12:34.26 | bumbl | Fossi: it is a newly flashed asu image with fixed feeds (pointing at downloads.openmoko.org and not at buildhost.openmoko.org) |
| 12:34.58 | bumbl | Dave: I am not german |
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| 12:35.41 | bumbl | I am Austrian and proud to be it |
| 12:36.01 | `pwgen` | *FG* |
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| 12:36.27 | `pwgen` | its the old europe .... |
| 12:37.08 | Dave | haha |
| 12:37.12 | Dave | same thing ;) |
| 12:37.32 | Dave | speaks ze german |
| 12:37.38 | bumbl | Dave: the last time austria and germany were the same thing bad things happened |
| 12:37.45 | bumbl | so no it's not the same thing |
| 12:37.50 | Dave | :D |
| 12:37.59 | Dave | bumble, show us your Austrian pride! |
| 12:38.26 | `pwgen` | hmm partly ... some germans would not subscribe , that they speak german .. *G* |
| 12:39.23 | Dave | hah |
| 12:39.28 | Dave | and we care, why? :P |
| 12:39.29 | `pwgen` | they exported strange leaders to germany |
| 12:41.09 | Dave | just like the danish |
| 12:41.21 | Dave | No one really cares about them, except themselves :P |
| 12:41.40 | Dave | Well, not to mention, as far as we are concerned, Danish is just a pastry :p |
| 12:42.07 | Dave | and a Dane is a dog :) |
| 12:42.35 | niap | bumbl, considering the recent happenings in your basements and your goverment the situation doesn't seem to have improved that much... ;) |
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| 12:43.18 | zogs | hi |
| 12:43.18 | Dave | :D |
| 12:43.26 | Dave | How are you, Italy? |
| 12:43.37 | zogs | yes |
| 12:43.49 | Tm_T | Dave: he is "yes" ;) |
| 12:43.56 | `pwgen` | i will move to aaloborg in 2 months .. whats strange with danisch people ? and who did they exported ? |
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| 12:44.27 | Dave | :D |
| 12:44.36 | Dave | haha |
| 12:44.38 | Dave | lollergermans |
| 12:44.39 | Zorkman | guess what: if you type "shutdown "now"" you better make sure you're typing in the terminal window that is logged in the FreeRunner |
| 12:44.41 | Dave | hoooooooooi, zorkman :D |
| 12:44.48 | ecraven | Zorkman: ;) |
| 12:44.50 | Zorkman | llo dave |
| 12:44.52 | Dave | ecraven! |
| 12:44.53 | Dave | :D |
| 12:45.02 | ecraven | aye, reinstalled debian ;) |
| 12:45.04 | Dave | replace neod! |
| 12:45.09 | Dave | begin the future! |
| 12:45.09 | bumbl | niap: yes these happenings are sad and our government consists to >90 of morons... |
| 12:45.18 | ecraven | Dave: i want the entire gui to be Scheme! |
| 12:45.24 | zogs | i have a question , in this video http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=3z6KmWSpcPo&feature=related |
| 12:45.31 | Zorkman | i reflashed the kernel of my asu to an older verison and it still won't boot, guess i will have to reflash rootfs too :( |
| 12:45.42 | zogs | how run accelerometers ? |
| 12:46.01 | Dave | yes -_- |
| 12:46.36 | bumbl | [14:41:21] <Dave> No one really cares about them, except themselves :P <- where is the problem? |
| 12:46.39 | Dave | dwaze XD |
| 12:46.50 | Dave | bumbl :D |
| 12:46.52 | `pwgen` | anyone here , that knows how i can access then suspend registers of the wm8573 ? |
| 12:46.56 | SpeedEvil | zogs: see category:Accellerometers on the wiki |
| 12:47.05 | Dave | -l |
| 12:47.56 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Accelerometer |
| 12:48.04 | Dave | :) |
| 12:48.06 | ecraven | zogs: you read from /dev/input/event2 and event3 |
| 12:48.15 | ecraven | that gives you the x/y/z values |
| 12:48.18 | Dave | category:Speedevil :) |
| 12:48.28 | ecraven | however, that will not work on 2007.2, because neod is broken |
| 12:48.30 | Fossi | zogs: cool vid |
| 12:48.51 | zogs | but on my neo don't run , do I need any packages ? |
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| 12:49.26 | Fossi | zogs: it won't switch the monitor |
| 12:49.42 | bumbl | [14:39:28] <`pwgen`> they exported strange leaders to germany <- we export strange leaders to germany: a lot of Austrians are top managers at German companies |
| 12:49.43 | Fossi | zogs: but you can read /dev/input/event3 (i think) |
| 12:49.50 | Dave | neod is broken |
| 12:50.00 | Dave | I believe that to be an understatement, ecraven :P |
| 12:50.31 | ecraven | it's easy to implement the automatic switching, the problem is that glamo is broken too, so the touchscreen won't work correctly in left/right |
| 12:50.33 | Fossi | Dave: oh, right |
| 12:50.48 | Fossi | Dave: it worked a few days ago :) |
| 12:50.53 | Zorkman | someone on the mailinglists does not have the wrong offset problem in landscape |
| 12:51.03 | `pwgen` | bumbl: *G* .. ah thats why we have so much jobless people *G* |
| 12:51.13 | Zorkman | fossi did it work on your FreeRunner? |
| 12:51.29 | Fossi | Zorkman: what? landscape? |
| 12:51.42 | Fossi | or accelerometers? |
| 12:51.50 | Zorkman | landscape mode |
| 12:51.56 | Fossi | not really |
| 12:51.58 | Zorkman | i always get a wrong offset from the touchscreen |
| 12:52.04 | Fossi | yes |
| 12:52.40 | Zorkman | Fossi: take a look at this: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-July/000379.html |
| 12:53.14 | Dave | ecraven -_-; |
| 12:53.26 | Fossi | Zorkman: so? |
| 12:53.37 | Dave | It's my understanding that the freerunner is unfortunately nothing more than an abysmal failure. |
| 12:53.53 | Zorkman | he doesn't have that problem with a lot of images he used... how can that be? |
| 12:54.47 | Dave | Oh, and Speedevil, where did you procure those protectors from? |
| 12:55.33 | ecraven | hm.. that's strange |
| 12:55.44 | ecraven | Dave: the software, the hardware seems decent enough.. and software will be written sooner or later |
| 12:55.47 | Dave | It's a mystery! |
| 12:55.54 | Dave | It's all terrible. |
| 12:56.02 | Fossi | Zorkman: what do i know? ;D |
| 12:56.08 | Dave | Man |
| 12:56.11 | Zorkman | more than me about linux ;) |
| 12:56.16 | Dave | i'm about to install zork on my freerunner |
| 12:56.21 | Dave | not you, zorkman. |
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| 12:58.25 | zogs | which image (distribution) is better for neo ? ScaredyCat , FSO, qtopia or other |
| 12:58.34 | Dave | heh |
| 12:58.38 | Dave | It's flavor |
| 12:58.46 | Dave | opinion based, at this point |
| 12:58.50 | ecraven | debian ;-p |
| 12:58.54 | Dave | and how daring one might be |
| 12:58.55 | Dave | ecraven :D |
| 12:58.58 | Dave | high-fives ecraven |
| 12:59.17 | Dave | ecraven, but isn't it broken still? |
| 12:59.24 | ecraven | broken in what way? |
| 12:59.29 | Dave | What things work? |
| 12:59.35 | Dave | What things are you struggling with ? |
| 12:59.49 | ecraven | everything works, except landscape mode |
| 12:59.55 | pjz | does debian even have gsmd ? |
| 12:59.56 | ecraven | sound works, gps works, accels work |
| 12:59.58 | ecraven | yes |
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| 13:00.03 | pjz | what do you use for a dialer? |
| 13:00.04 | ecraven | but we'll have ogsmd soon, right? |
| 13:00.09 | ecraven | nothing, i don't use gsm so far |
| 13:00.20 | ecraven | i don't like the interface at all, i'm looking for something scheme or python to switch to |
| 13:00.29 | Dave | ogsmd? :o |
| 13:00.36 | Zorkman | ecraven: very stupid question: but what is the pro of using debian? (i'm new to everything, remember? :)) |
| 13:00.42 | Dave | Ecraven, can I play Net on it? |
| 13:00.51 | Dave | That's totally a dealbreaker. |
| 13:00.52 | Dave | ;p |
| 13:01.00 | ecraven | Net? |
| 13:01.01 | Dave | grins at nuclear_eclipse |
| 13:01.03 | Dave | YES |
| 13:01.09 | Dave | The GTK application. :P |
| 13:01.24 | ecraven | Zorkman: imho, it's a working distribution, i understand it. it has *many* more packages than angström |
| 13:01.53 | ecraven | i don't understand why it wasn't used as a base from the start |
| 13:02.21 | Rigolo | ecraven: maybe the default size? |
| 13:02.32 | Dave | ecraven, yeah :( |
| 13:02.37 | Dave | Rigolo: doubtful |
| 13:02.40 | Dave | It's tiny as hell |
| 13:02.45 | Dave | Or can easily be made to be |
| 13:02.47 | Dave | see: netinstall |
| 13:02.59 | Dave | speaking of which, hot damn, I should try a netinstall on the freerunner :D |
| 13:03.07 | Rigolo | there you have it ... can be made to be ... well the same is true of everything |
| 13:03.13 | XorA | because debian arm was in a bad state when OM started |
| 13:03.18 | Dave | Indeed |
| 13:03.22 | ecraven | Rigolo: default size? |
| 13:03.24 | Dave | xora, sssh :P |
| 13:03.30 | ecraven | oh, debian can be as small as you want ;) |
| 13:03.34 | Dave | right :D |
| 13:03.38 | Rigolo | who knows .. maybe i will just build openwrt for the FR .. and then I can use it as a mobile wireless AP :-) |
| 13:03.46 | Dave | hahaha |
| 13:03.51 | Dave | I think that's already been tried |
| 13:03.53 | XorA | Rigolo: wifi doesnt support AP mode |
| 13:03.56 | Dave | right |
| 13:04.04 | Rigolo | XorA: not ... mmm bummer |
| 13:04.09 | Dave | and you can't setup the usb to do it comfortably |
| 13:04.12 | ecraven | can anyone explain to me what is responsible for the calibration problem in landscape mode? glamo? tslib? |
| 13:04.23 | Dave | everything? |
| 13:04.25 | Rigolo | well then an adhoc wireless network then ... |
| 13:04.26 | Dave | it's terrible, isn't it? |
| 13:04.31 | Dave | shit goes off the scren |
| 13:04.33 | Dave | screen |
| 13:04.34 | XorA | echarp: probably Xorg |
| 13:04.41 | Dave | you click and it's like an inch to the left |
| 13:04.41 | XorA | ecraven: probably Xorg |
| 13:04.53 | Dave | Xwhored. |
| 13:04.53 | XorA | tslib doesnt care about rotation |
| 13:05.03 | XorA | kernel doesnt care about rotation |
| 13:05.09 | ecraven | so it's a bug in Xglamo? |
| 13:05.13 | Dave | kernel is soft and crunchy. |
| 13:05.20 | XorA | ecraven: is my guess |
| 13:05.23 | ecraven | is any work going on on Xglamo? |
| 13:05.23 | Dave | ecraven, that doesn't even make sense. |
| 13:05.39 | ecraven | Dave: what doesn't? |
| 13:05.49 | Dave | glamo glamo glamo |
| 13:05.56 | XorA | I also noticed that the E apps dont redraw right either when rotated, maybe the X/Y sizes are getting bolloxed |
| 13:05.59 | Dave | are they still developing it? |
| 13:06.02 | Dave | or is it closed now :[ |
| 13:06.15 | XorA | Dave: its in public git, go develop :_) |
| 13:06.22 | Dave | no no |
| 13:06.26 | Dave | didn't they give it up? |
| 13:06.31 | ecraven | XorA: i'd have a look, but last time i looked i didn't find it ;( |
| 13:06.34 | Dave | so why continue down the path of destruction |
| 13:06.40 | Dave | when you can just moveall your zigs |
| 13:06.42 | XorA | Dave: the developer no longer works for OpenHand |
| 13:06.44 | Dave | or something like that *rolls eyes* |
| 13:06.47 | Dave | :O |
| 13:06.50 | Dave | what |
| 13:06.55 | Dave | did he shoot his wife, too? :P |
| 13:06.59 | Dave | oh great -_- |
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| 13:08.09 | Dave | bumbles. |
| 13:08.59 | Dave | ecraven, well, I'm heading out, please fix everything while I'm gone :) |
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| 13:12.23 | ecraven | why doesn't git clone git://git.openmoko.org/xglamo work? |
| 13:12.33 | ecraven | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly |
| 13:12.50 | Zorkman | how come there are no new jjfs2 files since 20080722? |
| 13:13.03 | Dave | even the repo is broken XD |
| 13:13.08 | Rigolo | well ... then something breaks the autobuild |
| 13:13.14 | Dave | 0xDEADCODE |
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| 13:13.27 | Dave | oy, more austrians ~_~ |
| 13:13.29 | ecraven | no O :) |
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| 13:22.01 | bumbl | Dave: we are everywhere |
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| 13:24.23 | ecraven | indeed ;) |
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| 13:27.02 | ecraven | hm.. how can bash tell me ./xcalibrate: No such file or directory, if that file is clearly there, and has the right permissions, and "file" tells me its executable |
| 13:27.51 | ecraven | ah, for gnu/linux 2.2.0.. that's old ;/ |
| 13:28.45 | Zorkman | i'm still a bit confused about this; does *anyone* hava a working exposure? |
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| 13:29.36 | bumbl | Zorkman: at the moment no, but on the mailinglist someone (i think zecke) posted that it should work again on tuesday |
| 13:29.46 | Zorkman | thanks, i must have missed that message |
| 13:30.06 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: ping |
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| 13:32.09 | donomo | anyone know where the ringtone file is in FSO? |
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| 13:32.27 | donomo | find for *.mp3|wav|ogg turns up empty |
| 13:32.38 | XorA | its a SID file I think |
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| 13:33.45 | zogs | scaredycat is good ? |
| 13:34.09 | donomo | XorA: thx. i found /usr/share/sounds/Arkanoid_PSID.sid |
| 13:34.50 | donomo | Arkanoid_PSID.sid: PlaySID v2.2+ (AMIGA) sidtune w/ header v2 |
| 13:34.54 | donomo | lol. amiga. |
| 13:35.16 | `pwgen` | donomo : its from the high volatage sid colletion .. |
| 13:35.20 | ecraven | hm.. if i run xrandr -o left && ts_calibrate, the output is entirely broken, has anyone tried this? |
| 13:35.37 | donomo | `pwgen`: hmm. ive never dealt with sid before. the default ringtone is awful. |
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| 13:37.05 | `pwgen` | donomo : i like it . but you can select yout own sid soundfile ( google high voltage sid colletion ) . they are very small sound I( sid) files |
| 13:38.04 | AntonTakk | `pwgen`: fso still only has basic phone call capability, right? |
| 13:38.50 | AntonTakk | at least, w/o modification |
| 13:39.00 | `pwgen` | AntonTakk: there is a fully funtional dbus api |
| 13:39.09 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 13:39.31 | `pwgen` | AntonTakk: but the gui is only capable of doing and receiving calls, no phonebook/sms and so on |
| 13:39.44 | AntonTakk | that's just a tad more kung-fu that i'm willing to do to use my phone :) |
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| 13:40.28 | `pwgen` | by the way, i use fso beause i can set my gta01 in sleep/resume mode without rebooting it |
| 13:40.42 | mmaestri | is suspend/resume also broken in FSO? |
| 13:41.28 | Zorkman | i just reflashed my ASU (latest kernel ,latest rootfs from 0722) do i have to change my oipkg folder? |
| 13:41.29 | `pwgen` | i think no. it depends on the kernel revision, if the apm is working there. |
| 13:42.48 | mmaestri | on 2007.2 it seems to work, but sound is gone after resume. don't know if something else is failing after resume |
| 13:43.24 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: how is that asu daily working for you? |
| 13:43.36 | donomo | im not sure what qualifies as suspend/resume, but my FR runnning FSO milestone1 turns off the screen after a minute and a touch will turn it back on. |
| 13:43.49 | mmaestri | i've been on 2007.2, ASU, then again on 2007.2 because of ASU being so slow |
| 13:44.16 | mmaestri | I've tried the qtopia image as well, it seems to work fine |
| 13:44.17 | donomo | ASU was slower than 2007.2? shudders. i left for FSO because its faster |
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| 13:44.49 | Zorkman | AntonTakk: what do you mean? with the asu-daily it updates a few things, but i remembered reading on the mailiglists i had to change the files in /etc/opkg |
| 13:44.49 | AntonTakk | mmaestri: i had to many anoying glitches with qtopia, but it's speed was nice |
| 13:45.01 | Rigolo | tried ASU also ... and I'm still waiting for one app to close ... (that was 3 days ago .. but I might exaturate a bit) |
| 13:45.39 | mmaestri | AntonTakk: it worked for me, but also it drained the battery very fast |
| 13:46.24 | AntonTakk | mmaestri: i just flashed it a couple days ago, they had a kernel with working suspend/resume, so the battery life was ok |
| 13:47.30 | donomo | is any image able to get more than a day of battery life? i get about 8 hours with 2007.2. i havent had FSO installed long enough to know if there is improvement there |
| 13:48.34 | AntonTakk | donomo: iirc, the shipped 2007.2 image was supposed to have been tested at 100 hrs on standby |
| 13:48.50 | ecraven | are we switching to kdrive instead of Xglamo? |
| 13:49.03 | donomo | AntonTakk: zomg. i would like to have that kind of battery life |
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| 13:49.58 | AntonTakk | ecraven: know any benefits/etc of kdrive over xglamo? |
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| 13:55.39 | AntonTakk | if fso just had contacts - even basic name/phone number stuff i'd seriously consider making the switch |
| 13:56.02 | bandersnatch | test |
| 13:56.04 | AntonTakk | or, for that matter, if the dialer could look at on-sim contacts |
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| 13:56.42 | bandersnatch | Hi, do i get shot when i ask some openmoko svn question here? |
| 13:56.47 | bumbl | AntonTakk: it has in current svn builds *if I remembered it correctly* |
| 13:56.54 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 13:57.11 | `pwgen` | we need someone who writes a dfso gui or do some plans to replace the gsmd with the fso dbus daemons |
| 13:57.14 | Zorkman | i can't opkg install nano anymore :s |
| 13:57.18 | Zorkman | i get: |
| 13:57.18 | Zorkman | opkg install nano |
| 13:57.18 | Zorkman | Collected errors: |
| 13:57.18 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:57.22 | AntonTakk | bumbl: makes me want to try flashing it to my phone while here at work :) |
| 13:57.40 | balrog-k1n | xglamo is kdrive actually |
| 13:58.11 | donomo | is there a sidplay or similar for the FR? |
| 13:58.33 | AntonTakk | bumbl: happen to know how stable fso nightlies have been lately? |
| 13:58.34 | balrog-k1n | with Xrandr, EXA, Xaa, xvideo and other extensions implemented |
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| 13:58.44 | balrog-k1n | othwrwise it's just kdrive |
| 13:59.12 | bumbl | AntonTakk: http://www.opendylan.org/~andreas/om/ <- this has been posted a few minutes ago at a german openmoko channel |
| 13:59.12 | zogs | wich email client for openmoko ? |
| 13:59.22 | bumbl | downloading at the moment |
| 13:59.26 | AntonTakk | bumbl: thanks :) |
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| 14:00.48 | AntonTakk | me too |
| 14:01.04 | AntonTakk | 8mbit net connection at work++ ;) |
| 14:01.16 | Zorkman | can anyone point me to correctly configure files that belong in the opkg folder? |
| 14:01.47 | Zorkman | http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/opkg-asu.tar.gz does not seem to work |
| 14:01.57 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: i don't have a link, but i could swear i saw info on that in either the community or support list |
| 14:02.24 | Zorkman | yeah, thas is the link i pasted, but i get * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures configured |
| 14:02.40 | Zorkman | he also always assumed locally installed apps are up to date |
| 14:04.02 | ecraven | AntonTakk: i just read about kdrive for the first time, but Xglamo seems to work not too well.. so maybe kdrive is an alternative? |
| 14:04.25 | ecraven | balrog-k1n: ah, ok |
| 14:04.32 | ecraven | AntonTakk: so it seems my question was wrong ;) |
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| 14:04.56 | ecraven | anyway, as long as we don't even have a working X server, things look rather bleak ;( |
| 14:05.53 | balrog-k1n | ecraven: where is it not working? (sorry, just woke up) :p |
| 14:05.57 | Fossi | the temperature footprint of the arm is pretty small |
| 14:06.13 | Fossi | my core2duo is glowing and the cellphone is barely warm |
| 14:06.16 | AntonTakk | ecraven: what do you mean no working x server? 2007.1, asu, and fso all use x |
| 14:06.16 | ecraven | balrog-k1n: after xrandr -o left the touchscreen is shifted |
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| 14:06.32 | ecraven | the X server still believes the screen is higher than wide |
| 14:06.34 | balrog-k1n | ecraven: oh, yeah :/ |
| 14:06.41 | AntonTakk | oh, that |
| 14:06.42 | ecraven | this renders landscape mode useless |
| 14:06.46 | ecraven | -> no working X server |
| 14:06.51 | AntonTakk | no |
| 14:06.56 | ecraven | scummvm only works in landscape, for example |
| 14:07.02 | AntonTakk | no properly working randr rotation :) |
| 14:07.10 | ecraven | AntonTakk: yes, but i'd say that is *basic* ;) |
| 14:07.11 | AntonTakk | puts on the pedantic hat |
| 14:07.24 | Fossi | yeah. it's a little annoying :) |
| 14:07.30 | ecraven | not just a little ;) |
| 14:07.34 | AntonTakk | hehe |
| 14:07.40 | AntonTakk | i have to agree |
| 14:07.42 | balrog-k1n | you could modify every application to draw all its UI vertically :) |
| 14:07.43 | Fossi | btw, if you put the cursor in the upper right corner in scummvm, it recenters |
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| 14:08.07 | Fossi | then it's only barely off |
| 14:08.11 | ecraven | Fossi: because of the landscape bug, i can't *reach* the upper right corner |
| 14:08.24 | Fossi | let me try |
| 14:09.15 | Fossi | my X is too slow, i'm compiling erlang n the phone ;D |
| 14:10.22 | ecraven | ;) if you ever find out how to crosscompile successfully, please tell me |
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| 14:10.43 | Fossi | i'm rebuilding my mokomakefile setup atm |
| 14:11.16 | ecraven | i've never found out how to use mokomakefile to build existing projects without writing tons of config files myself |
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| 14:12.58 | Zorkman | ecraven: thre was someoneon the mailinlists where landscape mode worked just fine, he even posted a movie |
| 14:13.10 | Fossi | ecraven: okay, i behaves a little funny: |
| 14:13.13 | `pwgen` | a naughty question: is the asu image the same as the openmoko-devel-image , the gtk based image ? |
| 14:13.27 | Fossi | if you move the cursor to the upper right corner, it will jump. |
| 14:13.31 | ecraven | Zorkman: yes, but that doesn't help me ;( |
| 14:13.39 | Fossi | then it's almost correct for the right side of the screen |
| 14:13.50 | Fossi | (or 640px) |
| 14:13.59 | Zorkman | ecraven: but it gives a little bit of hope :) |
| 14:14.02 | Rigolo | pwgen: nope .. diferent |
| 14:14.06 | Fossi | if you go too much left, it'll jump back lef |
| 14:14.23 | `pwgen` | Rigolo: how is the bb file named ? |
| 14:14.40 | XorA | Zorkman: GTA01 or GTA02 |
| 14:14.47 | `pwgen` | gta01 |
| 14:14.47 | ecraven | Zorkman: it makes it sound like a hardware bug ;-/ |
| 14:15.10 | Zorkman | :) don't believe that one :p |
| 14:15.12 | Rigolo | pwgen: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions ... so openmoko-qtopia-X11 |
| 14:16.14 | balrog-k1n | just finished watching the movie :) |
| 14:18.03 | AntonTakk | hrm |
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| 14:19.05 | `pwgen` | Rigolo: ahh , its the qt based image ... now i understand |
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| 14:21.51 | FacelessJ | Hey, anyone have any idea when the GSM 900 is expected to go up? |
| 14:22.36 | bumbl | FacelessJ: the european distributors get their second batch on the 15. |
| 14:23.02 | phrozen77 | hopefully |
| 14:23.25 | FacelessJ | So, the online store isn't going to sell them? |
| 14:24.02 | ecraven | ;) i like my new matchbox theme with a close button and next/previous buttons a lot more than the normal one |
| 14:24.46 | Zorkman | "opkg install nano" quits and returns error value:2 anybody any idea? |
| 14:27.39 | ecraven | do you have an internet connection from the neo? is there really a package called "nano"? |
| 14:28.50 | Tm_T | hmh |
| 14:28.54 | Tm_T | awaynicks, rrrrrh |
| 14:29.12 | AntonTakk | flashing that fso image :) |
| 14:29.15 | Zorkman | ecraven: it worked with my previous asu image... |
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| 14:29.18 | opendeep | in etc/profile "`id -u`" -eq 0, what is id here? |
| 14:29.37 | phrozen77 | a command |
| 14:30.00 | ecraven | Zorkman: try pinging www.google.com from your neo |
| 14:30.09 | ecraven | maybe the asu has different repositories? |
| 14:30.22 | Zorkman | i can ping |
| 14:30.28 | Zorkman | i have an active internet connection on my neo |
| 14:30.38 | Zorkman | (last time i also installed in on the asu...) |
| 14:30.57 | FacelessJ | Does anyone have any idea when the openmoko store will have the gsm 900 up? |
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| 14:35.50 | ecraven | Zorkman: what are you on now? 2007.2? |
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| 14:36.26 | FacelessJ | http://www.idasystems.net/ <-- If not, does anyone know if this is the official model, or have they changed it like the Koolu with the Works Everywhere? |
| 14:36.59 | Zorkman | ecraven: the aSU |
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| 14:38.50 | AntonTakk | ecraven: nice! this fso image looks sweet, hope it works well :) |
| 14:40.16 | swc|666 | what are the cavaets? |
| 14:40.48 | Sargun_screen | http://www.zeromq.org/whitepapers:y-suite |
| 14:40.52 | Sargun_screen | Neat. |
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| 14:47.40 | bandersnatch | anybody have experience with uploading content to svn.projects.openmoko.org? |
| 14:48.00 | bandersnatch | authentication seems to be ok but then the svn op just hangs there. |
| 14:50.01 | Ainulindale | bandersnatch: svn is down |
| 14:50.50 | FacelessJ | The freerunner goes for US$399 from the official website, yeah? I'm definitely waiting for them to put their stock up, all the other distributors were US$500+ |
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| 14:53.24 | bandersnatch | Thanks, that explains a lot. any change in sight? |
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| 14:53.55 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: pong |
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| 14:54.30 | `pwgen` | mikeyl: moin |
| 14:54.51 | Dave | ecraven, I return. |
| 14:54.57 | Dave | What news do you have for me? |
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| 14:56.08 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: i have seen the SHR project.. its exactly what i am looking for, anyone working on an shr-image.bb ? |
| 14:56.22 | Ainulindale | `pwgen`: not at the moment |
| 14:56.27 | Ainulindale | `pwgen`: right now we're working on dialer3 |
| 14:56.33 | Zorkman | can't upgrade my ASU further, could anyone take a look?: http://pastebin.com/m152d1763 |
| 14:56.46 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: please join #openmoko-cdev. there goes the action |
| 14:56.53 | Ainulindale | cdevel |
| 14:56.54 | *** topic/#openmoko by mickeyl -> Freerunner is out of stock. | Official Updates: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. | Developers should join #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
| 14:57.06 | Ainulindale | `pwgen`: we have been slowed down by the svn server problems |
| 14:57.26 | opendeep | when installing opkg install opkg-utils, got An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 14:58.51 | mickeyl | this goes for all developers btw. |
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| 14:59.02 | mickeyl | perhaps we need to issue that to the mailing list |
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| 15:00.10 | opendeep | Is it because of no space on device? |
| 15:00.12 | bumbl_ | Zorkman: reproduceable |
| 15:00.23 | bumbl_ | i have the same problems |
| 15:00.28 | FacelessJ | So noone has any idea about the openmoko store? |
| 15:00.55 | bumbl_ | you can resolve the first one with opkg remove -force-depends efreet |
| 15:01.32 | Zorkman | i just don't seem to understand the problems today... |
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| 15:01.41 | Zorkman | i reflashed and now almost nothing works anymore |
| 15:01.46 | Zorkman | scummvm also doesn't want to start |
| 15:02.03 | Zorkman | Can't open display |
| 15:02.03 | Zorkman | /usr/bin/openmoko-scummvm: line 10: scummvm: not found |
| 15:02.26 | bumbl_ | asu is completly messed up at the moment |
| 15:03.06 | Zorkman | yeah seems like it... |
| 15:03.27 | Zorkman | bumbl: http://pastebin.com/m30e27038 |
| 15:03.48 | Zorkman | i have not created or modifield applications.menu, should i overwrite it or keep it? |
| 15:05.27 | bumbl_ | Zorkman: i would overwrite it |
| 15:05.47 | bumbl_ | but when you do you get strange things like xmms, firefox,... displayed |
| 15:05.57 | bumbl_ | but the fail to start with an enlightenment error |
| 15:06.12 | Zorkman | i still have the libcairo2 and libpixmap etc errors.... |
| 15:06.48 | ecraven | Zorkman: if you ever get cairo working, please tell me how.. it seems libcairo doesn't support 16 bit depth, and we only have that |
| 15:07.19 | Zorkman | ecraven: so yuou also get that error? |
| 15:07.35 | Zorkman | i can't update the task-openmoko-qtopia-x11... |
| 15:07.37 | bumbl_ | Zorkman: me too |
| 15:07.41 | ecraven | no, i only noticed that cairo doesn't work |
| 15:07.49 | bumbl_ | i will flash om 2007.2 again |
| 15:07.52 | ecraven | i haven't tried the qtopia image for a few weeks |
| 15:07.57 | Zorkman | ok, in that case i will just wait and see what happens tomorrow :) |
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| 15:09.26 | ecraven | hm.. can i convert a dynamically linked executable into a statically linked one? |
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| 15:09.52 | lindi- | ecraven: why would you want to do that? |
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| 15:10.25 | ecraven | i have a funny game i'd like others to try, but it needs libchicken, which needs libpcre, ... |
| 15:10.34 | linuxxr | in debian is the gui command "startx"? |
| 15:10.39 | ecraven | so i'd have to somehow make it install all those libraries |
| 15:10.40 | lindi- | ecraven: just copy those libraries to . |
| 15:10.45 | lindi- | ecraven: then LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. |
| 15:10.53 | ecraven | linuxxr: yes, but use "startx -- vt1" |
| 15:10.58 | linuxxr | ok |
| 15:11.00 | ecraven | lindi-: ok, i thought that might work |
| 15:11.23 | lindi- | ecraven: i have a shell script to create tarballs with all dependencies |
| 15:11.26 | lindi- | somewhere |
| 15:11.50 | linuxxr | command not found |
| 15:11.53 | linuxxr | k |
| 15:11.54 | Zorkman | ecraven: if you need testers, i'll try to help if i can |
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| 15:13.13 | ecraven | would anyone try? http://eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at/tmp/ball-game.tar |
| 15:13.16 | ecraven | just run start.sh |
| 15:13.29 | ecraven | on a neo, it includes binaries for arm |
| 15:13.39 | ecraven | needs DISPLAY set as well |
| 15:13.46 | Rigolo | what do you guys use as an IM app on the FR? is there a libpurple capable app out there? |
| 15:13.52 | ecraven | has no error reporting at all ;) will probably segfault if anything isn't correct |
| 15:14.13 | Zorkman | what do i have to do ecraven? |
| 15:14.34 | ecraven | get the tarball, copy it to the neo, untar it, run start.sh |
| 15:14.45 | ecraven | if you do it via ssh, run DISPLAY=:0 ./start.sh |
| 15:14.59 | ecraven | (and i forgot to actually make start.sh executable, chmod +x start.sh should help) |
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| 15:19.18 | yoyo_ | hi |
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| 15:20.33 | yoyo_ | what app is responsible for putting moko in lock mode and dimming a display ? |
| 15:20.42 | bumbl_ | ecraven: what is this app? |
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| 15:21.08 | yoyo_ | bumbl: application |
| 15:21.13 | ecraven | bumbl_: a game ;) |
| 15:21.17 | ecraven | i'm trying to get a screenshot |
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| 15:23.15 | ecraven | what command line tool will give me a screenshot of the entire display? |
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| 15:23.58 | yoyo_ | ecraven: gpe-scap |
| 15:24.14 | ecraven | i don't have gpe on debian, i think |
| 15:24.27 | Rigolo | ecraven: real diehards make a dump of the video ram with cat :-) |
| 15:24.38 | yoyo_ | ecravan: cat /dev/fb0 > /tmp/myScreen |
| 15:24.52 | Zorkman | ecraven: i get an error |
| 15:24.56 | Rigolo | see /// yoyo_ is a diehard :-) |
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| 15:25.23 | Zorkman | http://pastebin.com/d42fb5503 |
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| 15:27.37 | bumbl_ | zorkman you have to install sdl |
| 15:27.48 | bumbl_ | try opkg list | grep sdl |
| 15:27.56 | ecraven | a second |
| 15:28.04 | bumbl_ | to find what package you need |
| 15:28.15 | ecraven | it's probably not sdl but *chicken* sdl that's missing |
| 15:28.48 | Zorkman | huh, there are super nintendo emulators available for the freerunner??? |
| 15:29.05 | Zorkman | is it libsdl that i need? |
| 15:29.35 | xmpp | a DS emulator would be more appropriate with the touchscreen |
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| 15:29.49 | ecraven | yes, you'll need that too, but you'll also need chicken's sdl.so i'll upload a new tarball |
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| 15:30.28 | bumbl_ | ecraven: are you professor, student or employee at the university of linz |
| 15:30.37 | Zorkman | ok, there are 4libsdl's: 1.2-0, gfx, image-1.2-0, mixer and net, just tell me what to install :) |
| 15:30.42 | ecraven | assistant ;) |
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| 15:31.06 | ecraven | all of them ;) |
| 15:31.15 | bumbl | ah ok |
| 15:31.17 | ecraven | http://eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at/tmp/ballgame.tar |
| 15:31.34 | ecraven | though that's probably not the correct english word |
| 15:32.42 | ecraven | how do i open a framebuffer-dump in gimp? |
| 15:33.17 | yoyo_ | mercy |
| 15:34.03 | bumbl | ecraven: when will your new content management system @swe go online? |
| 15:34.41 | ecraven | will be some time, we've decided to implement it in asp.net, which doesn't really speed things up... |
| 15:34.54 | Chox | moo |
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| 15:37.07 | Zorkman | ecraven: i installed 4 libsdl files and still get an eroor: |
| 15:37.13 | Zorkman | Error: (load) unable to load compiled module |
| 15:37.13 | Zorkman | "./sdl.so" |
| 15:37.13 | Zorkman | "libSDL_ttf-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 15:37.13 | Zorkman | Call history: |
| 15:37.13 | Zorkman | ball-game.scm: 1 require |
| 15:37.14 | Zorkman | ball-game.scm: 2 require<-- |
| 15:37.28 | ecraven | there should be a libsdl-ttf1.2 too |
| 15:38.02 | ecraven | http://eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at/tmp/ballgame.png |
| 15:38.14 | ecraven | ignore the cluttered panel, i need to play around with that some more |
| 15:38.21 | bumbl | The requested URL /tmp/ballgame.png was not found on this server. |
| 15:38.32 | Zorkman | same here |
| 15:38.47 | ecraven | my fault |
| 15:38.52 | ecraven | now ;) |
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| 15:38.58 | Zorkman | ecraven: |
| 15:38.59 | Zorkman | root@om-gta02:~/ballgame# opkg install libsdl-ttf1.2 |
| 15:38.59 | Zorkman | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
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| 15:39.14 | ecraven | in debian it's called libsdl-ttf2.0-0 |
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| 15:39.20 | ecraven | try opkg list | grep sdl-ttf |
| 15:39.39 | Zorkman | i get no results... |
| 15:39.46 | ecraven | then we have a problem ;) |
| 15:39.55 | Zorkman | glad to be of help :p |
| 15:39.59 | ecraven | a second, i'll try to include that in the tarball too ;) |
| 15:40.14 | bumbl | ecraven: how useable is debian on the freerunner? |
| 15:40.25 | ecraven | depends on what you want to do ;) |
| 15:40.26 | Chox | heh |
| 15:40.29 | Dave | CHOX |
| 15:40.38 | Chox | it's full Debian, what do you want ;-) |
| 15:40.39 | ecraven | i'd say about as usable as any other thing, (i.e. not useable) |
| 15:40.46 | Chox | only thing is, it's really too big for 512MB SD card |
| 15:40.47 | Chox | D! |
| 15:40.48 | ecraven | you can add whatever apps you want |
| 15:40.53 | ecraven | yes, i have a 4gb card |
| 15:40.59 | Chox | good. |
| 15:41.01 | ecraven | especially with gcc and development libs, it gets big |
| 15:41.05 | Chox | is working to update the Debian page. |
| 15:41.23 | Chox | it's big even after stripping all but essentials |
| 15:42.03 | Marcel_M | ecraven: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/libsdl-ttf_2.0.3-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 15:42.08 | ecraven | i could fit an installation with X and matchbox onto 512mb |
| 15:42.10 | ecraven | no xfce though |
| 15:42.15 | ecraven | (which i don't like on the neo anyway) |
| 15:42.19 | ecraven | Marcel_M: thanks! |
| 15:42.24 | Marcel_M | np :) |
| 15:42.31 | ecraven | Zorkman: if you want to try, you could install that link Marcel_M just pasted |
| 15:42.37 | bumbl | ecraven: is it possible to get gps working on debian? |
| 15:42.38 | ecraven | then the current tarball should work |
| 15:42.45 | Dave | :D |
| 15:42.48 | ecraven | bumbl: yes, it works out of the box |
| 15:42.48 | Zorkman | yes i will do that, freerunner is rebooting though, so give me a sec |
| 15:42.50 | Chox | bumbl: TangoGPS is in Debian, so I'd expect so |
| 15:42.52 | ecraven | i.e. with a current kernel |
| 15:42.59 | ecraven | i am using tangogps here on debian |
| 15:43.05 | Dave | Chox it like it's hot. |
| 15:43.09 | Chox | h0t. |
| 15:43.11 | Dave | what's poppin' ecraven? |
| 15:43.29 | Zorkman | is there a speed-difference when using debian? |
| 15:43.30 | ecraven | Dave: http://eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at/tmp/ballgame.png |
| 15:43.37 | ecraven | Zorkman: i don't notice one |
| 15:43.55 | Dave | :O |
| 15:43.56 | Chox | Zorkman: wouldn't expect so. it's compiled much the same. same glibc, same kernel. |
| 15:44.03 | Dave | labyrinthe? |
| 15:44.34 | ecraven | you click a group of balls, they disappear |
| 15:44.39 | ecraven | playing around with Scheme on the neo |
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| 15:44.45 | Zorkman | what is the fundamentel difference with angstrom then? |
| 15:44.56 | ecraven | it has way more packages ;) |
| 15:44.59 | Chox | angstrom is a distro based upon busybox to make it megasmaller. |
| 15:45.39 | Chox | Debian is full verions of everything, including docs, examples, man pages. |
| 15:45.39 | Zorkman | once again my asu image doesn't boot anymore, can it have somehting to do with the opkg remove -force-depends efreet i had to do? |
| 15:45.53 | Chox | Zorkman: more likely the hosed kernel from the other day |
| 15:45.53 | Zorkman | bumbl: did you try to reboot your phone after doing that command? |
| 15:46.12 | bumbl | Zorkman: what command? |
| 15:46.32 | Zorkman | but i had the same error this morning Chox and then i flashed the 0722 kernel and it still wouldn't boot |
| 15:46.34 | bumbl | ah |
| 15:46.44 | Chox | Dave: check out written USB Networking page :o |
| 15:46.57 | bumbl | Zorkman: after opkg remove -force-depends efreet |
| 15:47.01 | Chox | rewritten |
| 15:47.09 | bumbl | you should have done an opkg upgrade |
| 15:47.14 | Chox | the efreet thing is nothing to do with it. Best not to jump to conclusions. |
| 15:47.25 | Chox | well, if you continued the upgrade after it. |
| 15:47.31 | Dave | :D |
| 15:47.42 | ecraven | one thing i noticed is that under 2007.2 matchbox-desktop seemed *very* slow, and kept ignoring my clicks |
| 15:47.47 | ecraven | under debian, it works fine |
| 15:47.53 | Dave | debian! |
| 15:47.56 | Dave | \o/ |
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| 15:48.01 | Chox | \o\ |
| 15:48.06 | Chox | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.15 | ecraven | Chox: if you don't mind, i'll help with adding information to the Debian page |
| 15:48.16 | Dave | woooooooooooo |
| 15:48.20 | ecraven | i've learned a few things ;) |
| 15:48.41 | ecraven | set it up twice, for some reason the FR killed my sd card's partitions a few days ago ;( |
| 15:49.07 | Chox | ecraven: I need to check a few things first. it won't be for a few days. I already tidied it a bit, but too much like the rest of the wiki, it is just a bunch of random stuff. |
| 15:49.15 | Chox | I want it to be a comprehensive, and _easy_ guide. |
| 15:49.20 | Dave | Ecraven, share your knowledge with us, oh wise one! :p |
| 15:49.27 | Chox | by all means add stuff ,but I might rearrange it :o |
| 15:49.32 | ecraven | Chox: no problem at all |
| 15:49.39 | ecraven | the only thing i can't do in debian alone is Xglamo |
| 15:49.42 | ecraven | i needed to copy that |
| 15:49.46 | Chox | right |
| 15:49.49 | ecraven | everything else works fine with debian alone |
| 15:49.58 | Chox | my touchscreen input is bust right now ;-) |
| 15:50.11 | Chox | plus I'm working with a 512MB card, which is real full |
| 15:50.24 | Dave | :o |
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| 15:51.53 | Chox | Dave: what are you planning to break today? |
| 15:52.07 | leinirAWAY | Chox: Your fragile mind... again ;) |
| 15:52.46 | Chox | can't wait! |
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| 15:53.17 | yoyo_ | from witch /etc/rc*.d/ moko starts ? |
| 15:53.20 | ecraven | where in /sys/... can i turn the vibrator on and off? |
| 15:53.24 | niap | can anyone give me a short hint, how i advice gcc of the toolchain that he shoud use the toolchain Assembler? |
| 15:53.44 | Chox | niap: do you mean you can't find the assembler? |
| 15:53.48 | Chox | install binutils |
| 15:53.54 | niap | no |
| 15:54.05 | niap | i mean he uses the host assembler not the arm assembler |
| 15:54.10 | Chox | you'll have to rephrase. I don't understand your question. |
| 15:54.19 | niap | arm-gcc uses as not arm-as |
| 15:54.29 | Bubbi | When running a opkg upgrade on the freerunner, I get the following error, and wanted to know what to do about it: * Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 But that file is already provided by package * libncurses5 |
| 15:54.34 | Chox | that sounds like a bug in that GCC. |
| 15:54.46 | Chox | Bubbi: opkg remove -force-depends ncurses |
| 15:54.48 | lindi- | niap: arm-gcc uses arm-as here |
| 15:55.03 | Bubbi | Chox: and then what...? |
| 15:55.09 | Bubbi | nothing else..? |
| 15:55.14 | Chox | Bubbi: and then continue with opkg upgrade |
| 15:55.14 | AntonTakk | ecraven: flashed one of those fso images yet? |
| 15:55.21 | Bubbi | okay, i'll try :) |
| 15:55.23 | niap | yeah i probably messed up the configuration, thats why i am interested in a way to specify which assembler should be used by gcc |
| 15:55.40 | ecraven | AntonTakk: yes, but only played around for a short time |
| 15:55.40 | Chox | niap: I think you have a build configuration problem rather than a GCC problem |
| 15:55.56 | ecraven | AntonTakk: i'm working on debian now ;) i know much more about that than about angström.. and i learn a lot this way |
| 15:56.01 | AntonTakk | ecraven: did it connect to the cell network for you? |
| 15:56.07 | ecraven | AntonTakk: i didn't try gsm |
| 15:56.09 | mmaestri | ecraven: what fs are you using now on debian? |
| 15:56.10 | Chox | i.e, configure is deciddiing that the assemlber is 'as' and calling it directly for some thing. |
| 15:56.11 | AntonTakk | ah |
| 15:56.14 | ecraven | mmaestri: ext2 ;) |
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| 15:57.06 | Bubbi | Chox: thanks.. it worked like a charm.. :) |
| 15:57.29 | ecraven | hm.. why does the vibrator have a *brightness*? |
| 15:57.51 | ecraven | interesting, setting brightness to 100 makes it vibrate |
| 15:57.58 | Chox | sex toy. |
| 15:58.31 | ecraven | haptile buttons! |
| 15:59.08 | Bubbi | ecraven: I believe that's because the program for the vibrator was just copied from some backlighting application. |
| 15:59.23 | Chox | someone was too lazy to fix it :p |
| 15:59.27 | Bubbi | well.. some of it anyway :P |
| 15:59.43 | Chox | and firmware for a vibrator |
| 16:00.09 | Bubbi | Or as Chox says.. sex toy.. as in.. It's actually a program made for a sex toy which could both vibrate and flash a lot of LEDs.. :P |
| 16:01.12 | SpeedEvil | buz: you get bluetooth ones. |
| 16:01.18 | Chox | sex toys? |
| 16:01.30 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 16:01.38 | Chox | ah, hands free. gotcha. |
| 16:01.39 | Bubbi | Chox: I know what you're thinking.. and yes.. ;) |
| 16:02.13 | Bubbi | what.. now i'm lost.. bluetooth sex toys..? :) |
| 16:02.19 | Chox | a/s/l/bluetooth pin |
| 16:02.34 | Rigolo | http://phoneyworld.com/newspage.aspx?n=1499 |
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| 16:03.55 | Rigolo | and then everyone was quiet :-) |
| 16:04.33 | Chox | every is busy reading it |
| 16:04.35 | Chox | everyone |
| 16:05.41 | Rigolo | well... there must be 100's of lurkers on this channel ... because the site of the manufacturer is almost slashdotted ... so slow :-) |
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| 16:06.17 | Chox | last time I claimed there were 300 people here, Dave went and counted them all - 80 |
| 16:06.26 | Zorkman | i was lurking :) |
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| 16:07.59 | Rigolo | mmmmm this sounds scarry : 14.5 cm high tensile coated cable antenna/extractor ... especially the last word :-) |
| 16:08.24 | Rigolo | now it suddenly is a vibrating tampax :-) |
| 16:08.28 | XorA | 410 people including bots :-) |
| 16:08.45 | Rigolo | goes shopping ..... :-) |
| 16:08.52 | Rigolo | for dinner that is :-) |
| 16:10.19 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rf765473c98ea 10/packages/detect-stylus/ (detect-stylus_svn.bb files/install-detect-tsdevice.patch): [detect-stylus] install and package detect-tsdevice |
| 16:10.35 | AntonTakk | hrm, fso nightlies are very impressive, but it's not letting me make or receive calls, so, back to asu |
| 16:10.49 | Bubbi | Rigolo: well.. :) I knew about some wireless eggs, that could be used, but this one looks more like a small pill.. :P |
| 16:10.51 | Dave | crap |
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| 16:10.55 | Zorkman | careful with upgrading the asu |
| 16:11.11 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: i avoid opkg upgrade like the plague |
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| 16:12.39 | Dave | FUCK YOU NEOD!!! |
| 16:12.41 | Bubbi | why avoid upgrading..? I thought that everything that was upgraded, actually was tested..? |
| 16:13.25 | Bubbi | I'm kinda new to the world of Linux, so please enlighten me on the topic.. :) |
| 16:13.51 | AntonTakk | Bubbi: I ran opkgupgrade exactly once, then had to re-flash to get my fr to boot :) |
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| 16:14.26 | Bubbi | oh.. :S damn.. |
| 16:14.53 | AntonTakk | anyone using asu from 7/22? any major problems with it? |
| 16:15.03 | AntonTakk | or minor yet anoying problems? |
| 16:15.05 | Bubbi | I've read that you had to upgrade dropbear for itself, then run opkg upgrade afterwards. |
| 16:15.14 | Zorkman | AntonTakk: no exposure, it doesn't start |
| 16:15.19 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r22f8bcc35dcd 10/src/zhone: |
| 16:15.19 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * use python logging |
| 16:15.19 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * check that the suspend button has been held for at least one second before actually suspending |
| 16:15.36 | Zorkman | AntonTakk: and keyboard does not pop-up automaticlly, but you can fix that with an dj file |
| 16:15.39 | Bubbi | so I just did that, and I haven't had any problems with it yet |
| 16:15.40 | bumbl | AntonTakk: opkg upgrade does not work properly |
| 16:16.14 | Chox | needs a bit of hand holding. some of the packages aren't put together 100% |
| 16:16.15 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: know the last image where the kb does pop up? |
| 16:16.21 | Chox | not really opkg's fault |
| 16:16.47 | ecraven | have a nice evening, everybody ;) |
| 16:16.53 | Zorkman | AntonTakk: nope, sorry, but the fix is very easy, you jsut need to replace a file, i can give you a link |
| 16:17.02 | Zorkman | bye ecraven |
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| 16:17.22 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: i already have one - edited my self (ive done some e17 themeing) |
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| 16:17.40 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: assuming your talking about the qwerty button in illume? |
| 16:18.13 | weatherhead | hey guys |
| 16:18.15 | weatherhead | I ordered a freerunner yesterday, is it likely it'll have a fixed GPS? |
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| 16:18.41 | Chox | weatherhead: the software fix in the kernel seems to be sufficient |
| 16:19.00 | Dave | :] |
| 16:19.04 | Zorkman | AntonTakk: yes |
| 16:19.07 | Chox | so, the answer is no, but you can upgrade it. |
| 16:19.12 | weatherhead | Chox: I accept that, but it's just out of interest really, |
| 16:19.17 | weatherhead | so it won't contain the hardware fix? |
| 16:19.22 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: cool, also, know if the kernel from 7/22 is stable? |
| 16:19.41 | Chox | I don't think anyone here can answer that, but I wouldn't count on it, personally |
| 16:19.45 | AntonTakk | weatherhead: no way to know till you have it in hand, really |
| 16:20.03 | Zorkman | i haven't used it to make calls/sms, but everthing else seemed "quite" stable |
| 16:20.08 | Bubbi | is there a special way to upgrade the root filesystem..? Or does that get upgraded when using opkg upgrade..? |
| 16:20.17 | AntonTakk | cool, thanks for the info |
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| 16:20.34 | Chox | Bubbi: everything is a package, so yes. |
| 16:20.37 | mjr | Bubbi, where else would the upgraded packages go? |
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| 16:20.53 | Chox | the jffs2 is just an aggregation of packages, really |
| 16:20.54 | mjr | anyway, you can flash a whole image if you prefer, it'll just take every other change with it too |
| 16:21.02 | Bubbi | well it was just that I was reading that it was possible to flash it.. |
| 16:21.04 | mjr | (sometimes desirable ;) |
| 16:21.22 | Bubbi | but didn't know if it would get upgraded with opkg upgrade |
| 16:21.31 | Chox | Bubbi: you're asking the wrong question. |
| 16:21.46 | Chox | the rootfs is a whole bunch of packages. |
| 16:21.47 | Bubbi | Chox: probably :) |
| 16:22.06 | malik1972 | lpotter: ping |
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| 16:22.24 | mjr | aand of course with fast-paced development and suboptimal testing there may well be situations where a package upgrade will leave something broken |
| 16:22.37 | Bubbi | Chox: ah, well I'm still at a very early learning stage, so it's always good to know more about how the things work.. |
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| 16:22.52 | mjr | but it "shouldn't" happen |
| 16:23.12 | Chox | mjr: "thousand year storm" :o |
| 16:23.13 | mjr | well, more so than with flashing whole filesystem upgrades, which are likely to break things too ;) |
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| 16:23.52 | Bubbi | :D I'll keep to opkg upgrade then.. :) |
| 16:24.08 | Bubbi | no flashing for me.. I can live with the extra time it takes.. |
| 16:24.27 | Chox | opkg upgrade will generally be much faster |
| 16:24.42 | Zorkman | Bubbi: don't upgrade today, it will make the ASU unbootable |
| 16:25.19 | Bubbi | oh.. I just read that it would be slower with opkg upgrade than with flashing.. Well.. it's not that it takes that awfully long time, that I can't just leave it in for a few minutes.. |
| 16:25.28 | Chox | .. |
| 16:25.49 | Chox | flashing requires manual download, getting to u-boot, reboot, wait. |
| 16:25.57 | Bubbi | Zorkman: I'm using 2007.02.. The one that's installed from factory |
| 16:25.58 | weatherhead | which image would you guys recommend for a new freerunner? I have read a few articles on the differences |
| 16:26.16 | Chox | opkg upgrade requires a command and no reboot unless you want to use any upgraded kernel, and you keep any settings |
| 16:26.50 | Bubbi | yeah, so it would be faster to flash the neo, if it wasn't because of the extra work, that you had to do :) |
| 16:27.03 | Chox | er. yeah. no. |
| 16:27.23 | Bubbi | anyway.. opkg upgrade it is.. :) |
| 16:28.28 | Bubbi | hmm.. is it possible to read what is new for the different packages..? It's just that I would like to know what have been added/changed for the different packages.. |
| 16:28.44 | Chox | your . key is stuck :o |
| 16:28.59 | Bubbi | :) No I just like to use it a lot ;) |
| 16:29.25 | Bubbi | It's a bad habit, I know. |
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| 16:36.21 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rcc81e05f4a39 10/src/zhone: disable unfinished GPS graphs for milestone 2 |
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| 16:39.46 | Fossi | "NOTE: Applying patch '303-c99-complex-ugly-hack.patch'" |
| 16:39.48 | Fossi | XD |
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| 16:40.40 | donomo | oh oh. looking forward to milestone2 |
| 16:42.06 | AntonTakk | yeah, hope they get gsm and gprs fixed nicely |
| 16:42.16 | AntonTakk | so i can use it to make calls :) |
| 16:42.16 | balrog-k1n | oh oh. can we get openmoko/user/ cloaks on freenode? |
| 16:42.27 | Chox | ohknoes. |
| 16:42.43 | balrog-k1n | points at mickeyl |
| 16:43.10 | AntonTakk | seems like fso is moving along pretty quickly |
| 16:43.45 | Zorkman | isn't it a few weeks late? (milestone2) |
| 16:43.50 | donomo | i give credit to python |
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| 16:44.07 | AntonTakk | ui is nice and responsive, too |
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| 16:44.13 | donomo | must be nicer to develop in than c |
| 16:44.20 | linuxxr | a changelog is wat we need |
| 16:44.46 | donomo | AntonTakk: yes i love it so far. it could use a screen lock though. im afraid my pocket will dial something and i wont notice until 500 minutes later |
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| 16:45.32 | donomo | linuxxr: it would rock to have someone analyize the code changes/mailing lists and make blog posts like lwn.net |
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| 16:45.37 | AntonTakk | donomo: the daily i just tried, thou not making calls, or even seemingly being able to connect to the gsm network was using illume in the bg, so the screen could be locked by pressing aux |
| 16:46.11 | donomo | AntonTakk: i tried a daily and got 'no DBUS' in the upper right, so i went back to milestone1 |
| 16:46.23 | mmaestri | where can i find the latest FSO image? |
| 16:46.38 | Zorkman | donomo: is tyhe sound quality better? |
| 16:46.53 | AntonTakk | donomo: when I tried milestone1, it would make the call but there seemed to be no audio |
| 16:47.28 | AntonTakk | donomo: and i really need at least a contact list |
| 16:47.58 | AntonTakk | even if it isn't yet fully integrated with the dialer (as seemed to be the case in the daily i just tried) |
| 16:48.31 | Chox | man. www.cuil.com is being banged. |
| 16:48.45 | donomo | Zorkman: not that i noticed |
| 16:49.07 | AntonTakk | hrm.... |
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| 16:49.22 | donomo | AntonTakk: yeah i miss the contact list and no SMS, but the large finger touch interface and speedy responsiveness is sooooo nice. |
| 16:49.37 | AntonTakk | please don't tell me that i had tmobile change my sim just to have it stop working in asu and fso and start in 2007.2 |
| 16:49.54 | AntonTakk | oh, whew, seems safe |
| 16:50.00 | AntonTakk | tries a test call |
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| 16:50.04 | donomo | dou. i use a pre-paid tmobile sim. works well for me |
| 16:50.35 | bumbl | when opkg upgrade fails to upgrade a single package, how do I upgrade the remaining ones which don't have to do anything with the package? |
| 16:50.44 | Chox | fix the problem. |
| 16:50.58 | bumbl | Chox: if I am not able to fix the problem |
| 16:51.01 | donomo | bumbl: are you referring to ncurses? |
| 16:51.02 | Chox | ask here. |
| 16:51.13 | bumbl | Chox: I have already asked |
| 16:51.21 | daMaestro | anyone had the issue where the freerunner would not charge? |
| 16:51.23 | Chox | opkg won't proceed if there's an inconsistent state |
| 16:51.38 | Chox | did we not already give you a solution? |
| 16:51.40 | daMaestro | i left it plugged into the shipped charger overnight and it was unable to boot this morning (no power) |
| 16:51.40 | bumbl | donomo: no to libcairo,... |
| 16:51.50 | Tig| | bumbl: put all the error messages you can find on somewhere like pastbin.com and post the link in here and we will do our best to help :) |
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| 16:52.03 | AntonTakk | daMaestro: maybe a power outage last night? |
| 16:53.06 | AntonTakk | daMaestro: there is a uboot bug reguarding un-charged batteries causing the fr not to boot |
| 16:53.11 | donomo | bumbl: id start over with a new rootfs then |
| 16:53.23 | Tig| | daMaestro: double check the stupid stuff first like the power strip being on, next move to the charger, try plugging in via USB when it is charging there should be an LED flashing on the left hand side iirc |
| 16:53.30 | bumbl | donomo: the problem is that i have started with a new rootfs |
| 16:53.35 | AntonTakk | back to slow but reliable asu for me :-) |
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| 16:53.51 | bumbl | posting the error message in a moment |
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| 16:58.44 | bumbl | http://pastebin.com/f47167acd |
| 16:58.50 | bumbl | the problem |
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| 17:02.50 | AntonTakk | :-( can't get gtk/etc apps via opkg in recent asu nightlies? |
| 17:03.10 | Chox | "doesn't work" ? |
| 17:03.22 | AntonTakk | no, they just aren't there |
| 17:04.00 | Chox | buml: fix was mentioned earlier, perhaps not to you. opkg -force-depends remove efreet |
| 17:04.20 | Chox | libefreet0 package is missing a conflicts line. |
| 17:04.32 | AntonTakk | opkg list doesn't even show non-asu stuff |
| 17:04.44 | AntonTakk | no gtk, no tangogps, etc, etc |
| 17:05.09 | Chox | AntonTakk: did you do opkg update? |
| 17:05.29 | AntonTakk | no, does opkg need to be updated to get the configs for the other repos? |
| 17:05.52 | Chox | not talking about configs. But on a free install, it'll need to fetch the package lists. |
| 17:05.55 | Chox | fresh |
| 17:06.08 | AntonTakk | oh, update |
| 17:06.13 | AntonTakk | ....one sec |
| 17:06.18 | bumbl | Chox: that opkg -force-depends remove efreet fix was mentioned by me |
| 17:06.22 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * ref180fb32d41 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in: add comment about dtmf being sent to all active calls |
| 17:06.22 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r32e76ce49a11 10/otapi/xhtml/docbook-org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xhtml: otapi: regen docs |
| 17:06.31 | Chox | bumbl: and? ;o |
| 17:06.33 | bumbl | the second error is what won't vansih |
| 17:07.10 | Chox | well, clearly this is the result of running before that opkg command. that won't do us any good. |
| 17:07.41 | bumbl | http://pastebin.com/m29fd4841 |
| 17:08.47 | Chox | right, inconsistent paackages. task-* are simply meta packages which depends upon others, but don't contain any files themselves. simply work around is to remove that task package |
| 17:08.55 | Chox | simple |
| 17:09.13 | Chox | That's not ideal, but such is life when using in development packages. |
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| 17:14.17 | bumbl | Chox: I won't remove it, i will wait until tomorrow and hope it will resolve |
| 17:14.31 | Chox | that is your other option, of course. |
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| 17:16.09 | bumbl | as soon as my laptop is back I'll try to setup gentoo + icecream/distcc for the freerunner |
| 17:16.33 | Chox | ricer. |
| 17:16.43 | araujo | bumbl, awesome :-] |
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| 17:20.18 | bumbl | araujo: josch had gentoo on his neo1973 but without distcc/icecream |
| 17:20.29 | Chox | oh dear. |
| 17:20.33 | araujo | bumbl, really?!?! |
| 17:20.37 | Chox | ?!?!? |
| 17:20.38 | bumbl | he said he stopped compiling openoffice after 2 weeks |
| 17:20.38 | araujo | haha, wow, cool |
| 17:20.40 | Chox | !!11one!! |
| 17:20.42 | araujo | hahaha |
| 17:20.44 | josch | ya rly... |
| 17:20.50 | araujo | josch, is that true? :-) |
| 17:20.55 | josch | -.- |
| 17:21.05 | Chox | yes, I did a native ARM compile for the OO.org port. took 3 days on a fast ARM desktop |
| 17:21.06 | araujo | I mean .. that you have gentoo on the neo? |
| 17:21.11 | josch | we put it on our neo1973 last 24c3 half a year ago |
| 17:21.14 | josch | no magic there |
| 17:21.27 | josch | no atm i have debian on my neo |
| 17:21.47 | araujo | josch, do you have any link for the Gentoo installation? |
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| 17:22.03 | Chox | gah, Gentoo on FR. too much rice. |
| 17:22.04 | araujo | or it is very straight-forward? |
| 17:22.13 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc741fa85c271 10/packages/python/python-efl.inc: python-efl.inc: remove bashisms to make the Ubuntu crew happy |
| 17:22.14 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf0c5a1b7e901 10/packages/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [bashism] Move away from pushd/popd as it is only available for bash |
| 17:22.14 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r05cde60de264 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Xglamo to get Xinerama fix needed for Qtopia |
| 17:23.02 | josch | araujo, no |
| 17:23.11 | josch | araujo, yes |
| 17:23.19 | araujo | haha ok, |
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| 17:23.23 | kelvie_work | I'd have thought gentoo would be one of the first distros on the neo :P |
| 17:23.27 | araujo | guesses so |
| 17:23.30 | AntonTakk | aya! asu fleshout :) |
| 17:23.30 | kelvie_work | installing gentoo is the same on most platforms |
| 17:23.38 | araujo | kelvie_work, *nods* |
| 17:23.44 | Chox | well, wait for the first person to install ARMedSlack |
| 17:23.53 | bumbl | Chox: after the upgrade without solving the dependency problems x won't start |
| 17:23.57 | bumbl | *damn* |
| 17:24.02 | Chox | aw. |
| 17:24.09 | AntonTakk | opkg list | grep qtopia-phone-x11-* | grep -v dbg | grep -v dev | grep -v gta01 | awk '{ print $1 }' && for PKG in $(cat install); do opkg install $PKG |
| 17:24.10 | kelvie_work | paludis > portage for dep resolving |
| 17:24.26 | AntonTakk | installs all the other qtopiua-x11 apps |
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| 17:26.37 | araujo | josch, and how it worked? |
| 17:26.50 | josch | araujo, find out yourself |
| 17:26.50 | araujo | I mean, it is usable? |
| 17:26.59 | josch | will be as usable as debian is |
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| 17:27.21 | araujo | yeah .. just wishing they start selling the new shipment of neo devices |
| 17:27.22 | araujo | :-( |
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| 17:27.26 | kelvie_work | josch: did you compile it all on the device itself? :o |
| 17:27.30 | araujo | waiting since a week |
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| 17:27.59 | kelvie_work | what I would have done is mount the entire root partition via nfs.. and somehow get some cross compiling going |
| 17:28.11 | kelvie_work | in a chroot |
| 17:29.16 | araujo | kelvie_work, I guess I wouldn't mind to cross-compile packages , make binaries, and install using portage .... |
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| 17:30.30 | kelvie_work | araujo: hehe.. it would end up almost exactly like using opkg |
| 17:30.33 | kelvie_work | and bitbake |
| 17:30.40 | josch | kelvie_work, i put stage1 on it and compiled the rest |
| 17:31.06 | kelvie_work | (since bitbake is based off portage) |
| 17:31.06 | Chox | laffs. |
| 17:31.06 | kelvie_work | Chox: yes yes, we know you hate gentoo(ers) |
| 17:31.06 | araujo | kelvie_work, I guess ... though portage > * |
| 17:31.07 | araujo | :-D |
| 17:31.08 | Chox | Dave is too quiet. He must be breaking something. |
| 17:31.17 | kelvie_work | naw, paludis > portage :P |
| 17:31.20 | Chox | no, just Gentoo :o I do hate one Gentooer, but that's nothing to do with FR |
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| 17:31.23 | kelvie_work | the ebuild system is rreally great though |
| 17:31.37 | araujo | kelvie_work, well, portage ... is more like a standard of packaging .. that's what I mean |
| 17:31.46 | kelvie_work | yeah |
| 17:31.51 | araujo | kelvie_work, but you are free to use whatever manager you like |
| 17:31.54 | kelvie_work | hehe |
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| 17:31.59 | araujo | I guess I would try paludis on the neo |
| 17:33.11 | bumbl | kelvie_work: yet another flamewar: i can't see what paludis does better than portage, it does things just a bit diffrent |
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| 17:33.43 | kelvie_work | bumbl: oh.. it actually resolves dependency issues rather than just fail |
| 17:34.21 | kelvie_work | like the dreaded circular dependencies.. |
| 17:34.55 | kelvie_work | it is alpha and has a bunch of annoyances though :/ |
| 17:34.58 | bumbl | never had problems with portage, maybe luck |
| 17:35.17 | kelvie_work | I've never had issues up till the last year.. but I think we're getting off topic :) |
| 17:35.39 | araujo | well, the circular dependencies are usually a USE flag conflicting configuration |
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| 17:36.40 | araujo | And that's pretty much up to the package manager (how to handle it) /me no more off-topic |
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| 17:44.19 | donomo | gentoo on FR? sounds like a map from doom 3 (ie. hell) |
| 17:46.33 | yoyo_ | where can I pus source off http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/caa6edb406f3a2f13a91cec931fed5a5.png ? |
| 17:46.39 | janneg | well, gentoo can be cross compiled |
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| 17:47.46 | kelvie_work | donomo: FYI bitbake is based off gentoo's portage... which is all gentoo is really :p |
| 17:50.48 | anasazi | hi everybody. My openmoko-today won't start properly due to missing dbus: http://pastebin.com/m2c0919d (2007.02). any idea what I can do to fix that? |
| 17:51.26 | mw| | try to restart /etc/init.d/dbus |
| 17:51.30 | mw| | and look for error-messages |
| 17:52.25 | mw| | bah.. I know the error |
| 17:52.48 | mw| | type dbus-launch openmoko-today so that you get the right environment variabels |
| 17:53.09 | mw| | programs launched from X get this from their parent processes normally |
| 17:54.20 | anasazi | http://pastebin.com/m5e28cf51 |
| 17:54.31 | anasazi | soo |
| 17:55.36 | anasazi | as I read |
| 17:56.08 | railer | Let's try the morning crowd, anyone seen any goo sites for learning how to make themes and how to implement themes for the openmoko? |
| 17:56.24 | donomo | laughs |
| 17:56.47 | donomo | railer: i think its different for each image |
| 17:56.47 | anasazi | mmmh mw|, I don't get a clue what is wrong here |
| 17:56.53 | anasazi | but something definitely still is ;-) |
| 17:56.53 | kristian-m | yoyo_ you can start a projects.openmoko.org page for it |
| 17:57.03 | donomo | railer: sounds like a great blog post to write up though |
| 17:57.29 | railer | ya I'm working on it, just busy with a project or two first |
| 17:57.38 | donomo | railer: what image are you targeting? |
| 17:57.50 | railer | 2007.2 |
| 17:57.52 | donomo | is not sure if image is the best word |
| 17:58.00 | railer | distro? |
| 17:58.14 | donomo | meh |
| 17:58.23 | dcordes | mooooooo |
| 17:58.30 | donomo | baaaaaaa |
| 18:00.09 | railer | I guess I'll be adding it in soon, as something, I have more the pieces figured out just need a way to install and a theme chooser would be nice |
| 18:00.58 | donomo | railer: why 2007.2? FSO is coming along nicely. neither have a theme manager |
| 18:01.10 | donomo | (that i know of) |
| 18:01.44 | railer | You know that one of the big problems with openmoko and open source in general, we are constantly having to reinvent the wheel for competing os's it's a massive waist of time |
| 18:01.59 | Chox | on the contrary. |
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| 18:02.23 | Chox | OpenMoko is based upon considerable work done in open embedded, which was designed for just this purpose |
| 18:02.34 | Chox | and there's been no open phone before, so there has to be new stuff |
| 18:02.49 | Chox | anyway, everyone alwasy has a better way of doing things. |
| 18:02.56 | Chox | And finally, the word is "waste" :p |
| 18:03.05 | railer | I am attempting to make a statement, I want to write for the system that brought me. |
| 18:03.34 | Chox | I agree that the FSO/ASU/2007.2 thing is a huge mess. but conflating that with general statements about OSS is wrong. |
| 18:03.50 | railer | Chox let's see if I spell this right: "Bite Me" did I get it? |
| 18:03.56 | weatherhead | in the end, OSS makes you have to write LESS stuff |
| 18:03.57 | Chox | No, try harder. |
| 18:04.05 | weatherhead | you can use libraries and backends that other people have written, legally |
| 18:05.40 | SpeedEvil | In some cases. |
| 18:05.50 | SpeedEvil | LGPL libraries, yes. |
| 18:06.04 | Chox | LegalEvil |
| 18:06.17 | CaptObviousman | why can't an open project use GPL libraries? |
| 18:06.29 | kelvie_work | grabs the popcorn |
| 18:06.30 | Chox | indeed, the mess with ASU etc, is due to contrary goals of Commerical vs OSS. |
| 18:06.44 | SpeedEvil | Cap_J_L_Picard: Oh - I mean commercial stuff. |
| 18:06.49 | CaptObviousman | wasn't aware OpenMoko was out to make money or be commercial |
| 18:06.51 | CaptObviousman | this is news to me |
| 18:07.08 | Chox | CaptObviousman: GPL libraries aren't actually that common. and they make wider adoption harder. Read GNU's LGPL justification |
| 18:07.12 | SpeedEvil | Cap_J_L_Picard: Openmoko is sponsored by FIC. |
| 18:07.21 | donomo | CaptObviousman: someone has got to pay the bar tab for karaoke nights. |
| 18:07.27 | CaptObviousman | SpeedEvil: I'm over here |
| 18:07.35 | CaptObviousman | I bet that other dude doesn't like being pinged needlessly |
| 18:07.39 | Chox | CaptObviousman: you're jumping to assumptions. MY commerical reference had to do with Trolltech |
| 18:08.03 | SpeedEvil | CaptObviousman: FIC is a large phone maker. Their aim is to get a usable operating system for their phones, so they don't have to pay Windows/Sybian/... license fees, and can sell their phones directly to customers. |
| 18:08.10 | CaptObviousman | made no assumption, instead asked a question |
| 18:08.20 | railer | no, I think linux could be much better suited if we could consolidate many os's in a single grouping. If Linux has to compete and divide it programmer base first and then go against the big boys it will never win. |
| 18:08.28 | CaptObviousman | and in return, we get a phone we can do whatever we like with, do I have it correct? |
| 18:08.41 | CaptObviousman | railer: win what? |
| 18:08.49 | CaptObviousman | is there a prize for winning? |
| 18:08.52 | SpeedEvil | CaptObviousman: (my assumption) Commercial apps are a big part of a successful platform - it's hard to do open-source maps for example due to map data restrictions. |
| 18:09.14 | railer | The heart and minds of the public |
| 18:09.16 | donomo | SpeedEvil: open source data i think is an upcoming area of important. eg. openstreetmaps |
| 18:09.24 | CaptObviousman | doesn't care about the hearts and minds of the public |
| 18:09.53 | CaptObviousman | never thinks about Linux in us vs them terms. Either people use Linux because it has certain advantages, or they don't |
| 18:09.56 | SpeedEvil | points to Glenrothes (which I've roughly filled in) on openstreetmap. |
| 18:10.25 | railer | thinks CaptObviousman has no friends. |
| 18:10.28 | CaptObviousman | I honestly don't care if FIC never makes a profit off the OpenMoko project |
| 18:10.33 | niap | interesting that after 20years of successful open-source development people come and tell whats the way to success |
| 18:10.33 | CaptObviousman | that's not my concern |
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| 18:10.39 | SpeedEvil | donomo: I agree - but it's a long time in very many areas before it gets there. |
| 18:10.45 | SpeedEvil | Cap_J_L_Picard: You do. |
| 18:10.49 | SpeedEvil | capt: |
| 18:11.01 | SpeedEvil | CaptObviousman: if they can make money, it means other phone makers can make money at it. |
| 18:11.02 | zedstar_ | if FIC dont make profit or loose money long term they will pull the plug they aint a charity |
| 18:11.16 | Chox | wants loose money |
| 18:11.16 | SpeedEvil | CaptObviousman: which will mean other phone makers will start running openmoko. |
| 18:11.19 | donomo | too many captians, not enough ensigns. :) |
| 18:11.29 | Chox | niap: SCOtastic. |
| 18:11.34 | CaptObviousman | so if someone else starts using openmoko, I'll code for them |
| 18:11.36 | SpeedEvil | CaptObviousman: Which means that openmoko will be widely available on a variety of platforms. |
| 18:11.40 | railer | CaptObviousman no profit = no more openmoko = less freedom |
| 18:11.52 | CaptObviousman | concedes the point about profit |
| 18:12.00 | donomo | the coming android phones will likely be some sexy hardware. |
| 18:12.02 | CaptObviousman | fine, I care enough that FIC continues funding the OpenMoko project |
| 18:12.06 | CaptObviousman | beyond that, I don't |
| 18:12.16 | Chox | a prophet of profit. |
| 18:12.39 | railer | we then you're one of the reasons Microsoft has nothing to worry about |
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| 18:12.49 | CaptObviousman | railer: come again? |
| 18:12.53 | Chox | I don't think anyone cares much about FIC per se, It's not a big or well known company like Apple, Google, MS, etc. |
| 18:12.54 | railer | we = well |
| 18:13.05 | railer | sticky l key |
| 18:13.06 | SpeedEvil | Chox: it is actually quite a big company |
| 18:13.06 | zedstar_ | also nobody knows here for sure if Openmoko isnt just a startup who would sell to a buyer (evil corporation) if the price was right |
| 18:13.07 | CaptObviousman | I gathered that. Explain your statment more please |
| 18:13.36 | CaptObviousman | zedstar_: the beauty of open source is, if they decided to do so, we could take the code and use it elsewhere |
| 18:13.43 | Chox | SpeedEvil: I know, but it's not quote what I meant. few people in the US have heard of it. |
| 18:13.50 | donomo | zedstar_: what would the buyer get? office space in taiwan? doesnt seem too desireable |
| 18:14.12 | Chox | SpeedEvil: er, quite! |
| 18:14.15 | Chox | gives up. |
| 18:14.19 | CaptObviousman | railer: why am I "one of the reasons Microsoft has nothing to worry about" ? |
| 18:15.24 | railer | as long as linux continues to have infighting there will never be a big enough base of any one distro to complete with microsoft, and the only way to get that is to be able to concentrate on a single distro |
| 18:15.44 | CaptObviousman | which distro do you favor? |
| 18:15.52 | zedstar_ | well Access bought palmsource for a lot of money....weird things happen ;) |
| 18:15.58 | Chox | but "any one distro" would never been suitable for all users and all devices. |
| 18:16.00 | railer | currently the most popular ubuntu |
| 18:16.15 | CaptObviousman | any particular flavor of Ubuntu, or just vanilla? |
| 18:16.15 | Chox | ubuntu is a terrible server and embedded OS |
| 18:16.23 | donomo | nokia is interesting, they have symbian and took it open source. they bought trolltech. i wonder what they have up their sleve |
| 18:16.32 | Chox | no matter how sexy it is on the desktop. |
| 18:16.36 | yoyo_ | projects.openmoko.org (log in) is down :/ |
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| 18:16.53 | railer | I'm not saying we have to have JUST one for everything, but 50 or 60 is way too many |
| 18:16.59 | CaptObviousman | so in your mind, it would be perfect if everyone ran Ubuntu |
| 18:17.07 | Chox | donomo: symbian for values of "open source". it's all a big dodgy, IMO. |
| 18:17.08 | CaptObviousman | ahh, the story changes |
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| 18:17.21 | Chox | dancing goalposts! |
| 18:17.24 | Chox | who had the popcorn? |
| 18:17.26 | donomo | railer: its the long tail, 50 or 60 distros used by a handful of people is unavoidable and suits those few people |
| 18:17.30 | CaptObviousman | would also like popcorn |
| 18:17.41 | donomo | Chox: yes, plus it'll take a long time to release |
| 18:17.44 | CaptObviousman | there are a crapton of people running Ubuntu |
| 18:17.49 | railer | I think it would increase number of linux programs and popularity considerably |
| 18:18.04 | Chox | yeah, dammit. I only have 22000 programs to choose from in Debian. |
| 18:18.09 | donomo | i <3 ubuntu |
| 18:18.27 | CaptObviousman | I happen to think Debian-style packaging is lame. You guys split code up into a zillion sub-packages, and it's irritating |
| 18:18.32 | railer | chox name one decent account program for business |
| 18:18.40 | CaptObviousman | plus most of your users are dependent upon dependency checking |
| 18:18.46 | Chox | railer: why should I? I never claimed such a thing existed. |
| 18:19.11 | CaptObviousman | I avoid Debian and its derivatives for that reason, among others |
| 18:19.15 | railer | 22000 and not a single accounting program? |
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| 18:19.24 | railer | current games? |
| 18:19.38 | CaptObviousman | I hear you saying "not enough has been done" |
| 18:19.46 | CaptObviousman | "there's large holes in what programs are availalbe" |
| 18:19.50 | Chox | "current games" meaning what - commerical ones? Linux has shitloads of games I can play already |
| 18:19.52 | CaptObviousman | the open source mantra is "code it yourself" |
| 18:19.58 | Chox | you're trying to foist your own requirements on everyone |
| 18:20.04 | CaptObviousman | concurs with Chox |
| 18:20.12 | CaptObviousman | we should all standardize on one distro, as long as it's my distro |
| 18:20.23 | Chox | and conflating the needs to those who are using Windows. |
| 18:20.31 | Chox | s/to/of/ |
| 18:20.47 | railer | that's the point 22 THOUSAND programs and massive holes still exist, because there is NO organization, there is massive waste |
| 18:20.53 | CaptObviousman | pokes at the bot. That's a neat trick |
| 18:20.55 | Chox | Anyway, Ubunut is not really suitable for FR. there's no ARM port, AFAIK |
| 18:20.58 | CaptObviousman | never thought of that |
| 18:21.07 | weatherhead | if there was "only one distro" then linux becomes OSX |
| 18:21.11 | weatherhead | I don't want that |
| 18:21.12 | CaptObviousman | railer: if you want a frickin accounting program, then go code it! |
| 18:21.15 | CaptObviousman | no one's stopping you from doing so! |
| 18:21.27 | weatherhead | railer: gnucash works fine for our business accounting :p |
| 18:21.27 | Chox | there's much more massive waste in the Windows world. Look at the disaster that is MS Word. Trying to one up me will get you no where. |
| 18:21.31 | Stroller | railer: there are one or two LARGE companies using SQL-Ledger / LedgerSMB |
| 18:21.50 | railer | I'm not saying put ubuntu on openmoko, |
| 18:21.51 | CaptObviousman | and whatever happened to good ol' fashioned Excel/Calc |
| 18:21.53 | Chox | And the endless trash of Windows shareware. |
| 18:21.55 | donomo | wonders where all this is going |
| 18:22.04 | Chox | railer: ah, I see. FR has _different requirements. |
| 18:22.08 | Chox | imagine that. |
| 18:22.19 | CaptObviousman | I'm not certain how we got started on this topic |
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| 18:22.26 | CaptObviousman | I think I was accused of being a boon to Microsoft |
| 18:22.36 | CaptObviousman | I've still yet to hear a justification for that statement |
| 18:22.46 | railer | but seriously we nedd what now 4 competing distro's for a freaking PHONE |
| 18:22.49 | donomo | railer was talking about a blog post documenting how to create new themes for 2007.2, which is a great idea |
| 18:22.54 | Chox | CaptObviousman: I can give you some if you want, but it's not worth my time or yours ;-) |
| 18:22.57 | Stroller | CaptObviousman: it was because you said that you didn't care if FIC made no money |
| 18:23.00 | CaptObviousman | would still like to hear it |
| 18:23.09 | CaptObviousman | post 'em to my talk page and let's discuss |
| 18:23.12 | linuxxr | theres nothing wrong with the multitudes |
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| 18:23.23 | Stroller | CaptObviousman: FIC making money (out of openmoko / the Freerunner) is the only reason for OPEN hardware |
| 18:23.24 | CaptObviousman | look, if my views on open source are harmful or incorrect, I'll change them. I just want someone to show me |
| 18:23.25 | railer | so now to create a simple making theme's I have to make 4 times? |
| 18:23.27 | Chox | CaptObviousman: and I would have to make some asusmptions about you for which I have no justification at all. |
| 18:23.40 | CaptObviousman | Chox: that's fine. We'll get to know each other |
| 18:23.41 | donomo | railer: or pick a winning horse. its up to you |
| 18:23.51 | Chox | CaptObviousman: so probably, I'd be talking crap ;-) |
| 18:23.51 | CaptObviousman | I don't suppose you're near Dallas are you? We can talk at a pub over an ale |
| 18:23.58 | donomo | after seeing FSO, my money is on that one |
| 18:24.07 | Chox | is in San Diego, FWIW |
| 18:24.08 | linuxxr | any mandrivia uasers here? |
| 18:24.11 | CaptObviousman | nuts |
| 18:24.15 | donomo | linuxxr: not since 1999 |
| 18:24.21 | Chox | linuxxr: dammit, don't add another distro to the war. |
| 18:24.24 | railer | the easiest way to pick a winning horse is to just let one horse start. |
| 18:24.25 | linuxxr | theres my point |
| 18:24.26 | donomo | laughs |
| 18:24.38 | donomo | railer: haha. true, but thats a boring race to watch |
| 18:24.52 | CaptObviousman | you have no say over which horse that way |
| 18:25.03 | zedstar_ | i am still not convinced with the multiple stacks/distros/images whatever u wanna call them....it has alienated some good programmers from here ive noticed already |
| 18:25.06 | linuxxr | mandrivia is just a joke |
| 18:25.15 | Chox | quick, someone make a car anaology |
| 18:25.20 | donomo | railer: if the grocery store only made one breakfast cereal, that cereal would be the best tasting, most efficient cereal in the world. |
| 18:25.22 | railer | well yes you do, just build what your build for the SAME horse |
| 18:25.24 | CaptObviousman | it's like a car with four wheels an a windshield |
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| 18:25.35 | CaptObviousman | someone's gotta paint the doors! |
| 18:25.39 | CaptObviousman | there's like, four doors, or something |
| 18:25.42 | CaptObviousman | that's a lot of work |
| 18:25.50 | linuxxr | lets build a linux electric car with a generator trailer |
| 18:25.53 | Rigolo | an efficient cereal??? |
| 18:25.54 | Chox | apart fror the cars which have 2, 3 or 6 wheels. |
| 18:26.03 | donomo | Rigolo: heehee. i should have added :) at the end |
| 18:26.08 | CaptObviousman | what about hatchbacks? |
| 18:26.14 | CaptObviousman | buses? |
| 18:26.21 | Chox | hm, plan foiled. |
| 18:26.27 | Rigolo | CaptObviousman: o nooo ... a fifth door in a hatchback |
| 18:26.28 | CaptObviousman | anyways |
| 18:26.41 | Chox | so, point is. Not everyone wants or requires the same distro. |
| 18:26.58 | CaptObviousman | what first got me curious was when SpeedEvil backed LGPL libs, and I assumed he meant over GPL libs |
| 18:27.00 | Rigolo | Chox ... distro or basic set of apps? |
| 18:27.14 | CaptObviousman | is that because FIC wants to leave the door open to produce proprietary programs in the future? |
| 18:27.18 | CaptObviousman | after the legwork's been completed I mean |
| 18:27.28 | Chox | Rigolo: I think I'd prefer to avoid generalisations. there are plenty of examples both ways. |
| 18:27.33 | linuxxr | so they can |
| 18:27.45 | Rigolo | likes the openwrt approach .... basically give you a system that starts .... and then you can add whatever you like |
| 18:27.51 | linuxxr | using your code |
| 18:28.10 | donomo | Rigolo: reminds me of those build-your-own-teddybear shops |
| 18:28.11 | Chox | Rigolo: OpenMoko is prety close to that. just needs a bit of user control. |
| 18:28.21 | CaptObviousman | yeah, I think we bashed the consolidate-on-one-distro idea to death |
| 18:28.39 | Rigolo | Chox: well ... the default install still had "too much" apps installed at the moment then |
| 18:28.40 | donomo | sort of like the PC LOAD LETTER printer in Office Space |
| 18:28.49 | CaptObviousman | that being said |
| 18:28.51 | railer | no it's not, the cereal analogy is wrong, it's like saying we have kellogs and they have 90% of the market and we have less than 10% and will lose more because we all want to make our own cereal, instead of all concentrating on making a single good cereal to compete, we get repetition and petty in fighting while kellogs slowly sucks up the rest of the market |
| 18:28.53 | donomo | is here to provide analogies |
| 18:29.09 | linuxxr | loads of linux started with slackware suse for instance |
| 18:29.11 | CaptObviousman | requests an anology to beer |
| 18:29.14 | Rigolo | take the 2007.02 22th july image .... loads of games ... that is overkill to me |
| 18:29.21 | donomo | railer: my point is kellogs will never have 90% of the market because different people like different foods |
| 18:29.22 | CaptObviousman | puts in a vote for slackware |
| 18:29.24 | linuxxr | so what if they sell it |
| 18:29.35 | linuxxr | vector is to |
| 18:29.41 | CaptObviousman | on a slightly different topic |
| 18:29.45 | donomo | railer: my point is also too broad to have any meaning whatsoever. |
| 18:29.51 | railer | 4 5 6 distro's for 1 phones = welcome to the world of iphone and blackberry |
| 18:29.55 | CaptObviousman | are there people you know that maybe purchased a FreeRunner and now regret it |
| 18:30.01 | Chox | IME, people who make broad generalisations like that don't have anything to add to the matter except more of them. No specific resolutions to perceived problems. |
| 18:30.02 | CaptObviousman | specifically people with the US-style handsets? |
| 18:30.07 | CaptObviousman | wants to buy one, but can't afford $370 |
| 18:30.16 | Rigolo | that is why I think FSO or SHR are the real way forward ... best of both world, pick what you want |
| 18:30.23 | CaptObviousman | what is SHR? |
| 18:30.30 | Chox | fiction, right now |
| 18:30.32 | Rigolo | Stable Hybrid Release |
| 18:30.36 | CaptObviousman | ok |
| 18:30.38 | linuxxr | the dev stage needs many angles otherwise its not gonna get any better |
| 18:30.43 | zedstar_ | im curious as to what happened with 2007.2 as openmoko were paying people at openedhand to work on that at some point...they have professional gtk staff...i notice at least one regular disappeared from irc since |
| 18:30.50 | Sargun | God, I've been building this ASU image for 2 days. |
| 18:30.56 | railer | CaptObviousman FR are currently bought by ONLY programming freaks, no public SHOULD now or most likely EVER but a FR |
| 18:31.06 | CaptObviousman | what do you think I am |
| 18:31.08 | Chox | so shout! |
| 18:31.14 | Sargun | Shout! |
| 18:31.17 | Bubbi | have anyone tried to use the "finger-keyboard" application on the neo..? |
| 18:31.20 | donomo | CaptObviousman: for a while i was regretting it. the less than 1 day batter life is painful |
| 18:31.22 | CaptObviousman | also shouts, why are we shouting again? |
| 18:31.25 | Chox | plenty of non-programmers bought the FR knowing full well what is it. |
| 18:31.25 | zedstar_ | so openmoko pay professional people to work on various areas...did they stop payment to openhand on projects or what happened in this area? |
| 18:31.28 | Rigolo | is no programming freak .... does not even know C |
| 18:31.30 | CaptObviousman | it's not going to be my daily phone |
| 18:31.41 | CaptObviousman | I'm going to get a pay-as-you-go account for it so I won't have to spend much |
| 18:31.50 | railer | Rigolo, you know linux? |
| 18:32.04 | CaptObviousman | I really, truly, want to get involved in this project, because I believe it will be incredibly helpful to crack open the mostly-proprietary cell phone market |
| 18:32.07 | donomo | Stable Hybrid Release? anoter image? omg. |
| 18:32.18 | railer | and how many other languages do you know? |
| 18:32.19 | CaptObviousman | not everyone can afford a computer, but most everyone in developed and developing nations has access to a cell phone |
| 18:32.24 | linuxxr | im not a programmer or a freak an i have 1 |
| 18:32.26 | CaptObviousman | you were talking about hearts and minds earlier? This is a great way |
| 18:32.28 | linuxxr | :) |
| 18:32.28 | Rigolo | railer: yep, going back to redhat on x floppies, slack, LFS, gentoo ubuntu |
| 18:32.55 | CaptObviousman | plus I'll learn a lot |
| 18:32.59 | Rigolo | railer: linux is not a langue .... :-) |
| 18:33.06 | CaptObviousman | so, that being said |
| 18:33.09 | Sargun | Gentoo rocks |
| 18:33.09 | CaptObviousman | any sugar daddies in the house? |
| 18:33.38 | railer | Rigolo do your friends eye role into the backs of their heads every time you start talking about linux? |
| 18:33.45 | linuxxr | yep all those tutorials for diff flavors of linux realy do take alot of time so wheres the slacl tutorial?;) |
| 18:33.56 | linuxxr | slack |
| 18:34.02 | Rigolo | know at least knows that a 2.8" screen is too small for a phone with no keyboard |
| 18:34.08 | railer | "Rigolo: railer: linux is not a langue ...." - that you would say that means you're a freak |
| 18:34.11 | CaptObviousman | linuxxr: slackwiki.org and slackbook.org |
| 18:34.17 | CaptObviousman | I know you were being facetious, but there you go |
| 18:34.18 | Rigolo | railer: not really ... they have given up already ;-) |
| 18:34.19 | Bubbi | How do you install a python application on the neo..? I'm reading about the finger-keyboard application (http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/finger-keyboard/) and was wondering if it was easy to try it.. :) |
| 18:34.21 | SpeedEvil | passes Rigolo a bluetooth thoughtboard. |
| 18:34.27 | linuxxr | no the openmoko 1 |
| 18:35.04 | railer | I don't come here for the linux. I'm here for the CHICKS! |
| 18:35.16 | Bubbi | railer: get in line.. |
| 18:35.19 | donomo | hands railer some eggs |
| 18:35.23 | CaptObviousman | Get the rope |
| 18:35.32 | Rigolo | mmm a thoughtboard .... how do you interface with that ... like that other bluetooth device we talked about earlier ... then never mind :-) |
| 18:35.55 | railer | anyone in this chat room is a freak, trust me on this one. |
| 18:36.04 | donomo | railer: amen to that |
| 18:37.03 | Chox | ooh, we frying up breakfast? |
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| 18:37.16 | Rigolo | just finished dinner |
| 18:37.25 | Chox | lunchtime here, almost |
| 18:37.48 | Wonka | Mo 28. Jul 20:37:48 CEST 2008 |
| 18:38.02 | Chox | you're French now? ;-) |
| 18:38.13 | Wonka | german. |
| 18:38.25 | Chox | C'est la vie |
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| 18:39.52 | SamuraiDio | hi all |
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| 18:41.57 | CaptObviousman | gets busy finishing up another project so he can migrate to OM |
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| 18:42.27 | ChaosEagle | hi there =) |
| 18:42.34 | doc|work | so, has anyone gotten a response from sales@openmoko.com in the last .... well, ever? |
| 18:42.34 | CaptObviousman | greetings |
| 18:42.41 | Zorkman | llo |
| 18:42.56 | ChaosEagle | could anyone help me booting from a vfat+ext2 sd card on my freerunner? |
| 18:43.05 | kelvie_work | doc|work: I have, the last few times I've emailed them |
| 18:43.14 | doc|work | kelvie_work: how long did it usually take? |
| 18:43.18 | Zorkman | i *think* i could, but others are better than me :) |
| 18:43.28 | ChaosEagle | Zorkman: Problem is this: |
| 18:43.35 | ChaosEagle | kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2) |
| 18:43.46 | Zorkman | first of all: did you follow the wiki? |
| 18:43.48 | kelvie_work | doc|work: 2-4 days or so? |
| 18:43.48 | Chox | ChaosEagle: you don't need the vfat partition. uboot can go straight from ext2/3 |
| 18:43.53 | ChaosEagle | i pretty much followed the instructions on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
| 18:44.00 | doc|work | kelvie_work: I've heard nothing in over a week, following 3 emails |
| 18:44.10 | Chox | then you specified the wrong root device to the kernel command line |
| 18:44.20 | ChaosEagle | really Chox? I thought only very recent uboots can do that, and the one on buildhost is from march... |
| 18:44.28 | Chox | ...yes. |
| 18:44.29 | ChaosEagle | Okay... then how do I fix it? ;) |
| 18:44.30 | Chox | you should updated |
| 18:44.33 | Chox | update. |
| 18:44.42 | ChaosEagle | where do I get the images then? |
| 18:44.58 | Chox | probably you want to make sure you said /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 18:45.00 | peter__b | hi guys |
| 18:45.13 | Chox | the buildhost ones are recent. |
| 18:45.15 | Chox | and good. |
| 18:45.19 | Zorkman | ChaosEagle: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080727/uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin |
| 18:45.31 | peter__b | anyon an idea how to setup apmd to make asu suspend after some minutes? |
| 18:45.32 | ChaosEagle | yes, but they are still 1.3.1 images |
| 18:45.32 | SamuraiDio | how much the freerunner bateries stays up, while in standby, and hearing music, by example? |
| 18:45.43 | ChaosEagle | flashed one yesterday, still says March 08 |
| 18:45.52 | Chox | then get a newer one :o |
| 18:46.03 | ChaosEagle | newer than yesterday? ;) |
| 18:46.05 | Zorkman | ChaosEagle: your probably booted into NOR, then it will always say march 08 |
| 18:46.16 | Zorkman | ChaosEagle: boot in NAND and you will se a more recent date |
| 18:46.17 | ChaosEagle | oh... okay |
| 18:46.25 | ChaosEagle | and... erm... how? ^^;;; |
| 18:46.37 | Zorkman | ChaosEagle: press and hold power, then press and hold aux |
| 18:46.45 | Zorkman | NAND will come up |
| 18:47.01 | Zorkman | (then you can also try the boot from SD option, maybe it works right away :)) |
| 18:47.27 | ChaosEagle | how long do I have to hold these? |
| 18:47.36 | Chox | few seconds. says on the wiki. |
| 18:47.41 | ChaosEagle | oh, got it :) |
| 18:47.59 | ChaosEagle | lol |
| 18:48.03 | ChaosEagle | works, thanks! :D |
| 18:48.10 | ChaosEagle | oh, no |
| 18:48.12 | ChaosEagle | it doesn't. |
| 18:48.14 | Chox | oh noes! |
| 18:48.14 | Zorkman | :D |
| 18:48.18 | ChaosEagle | ;) |
| 18:48.23 | Chox | "doesn't work" |
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| 18:48.47 | ChaosEagle | mhh... |
| 18:48.52 | ChaosEagle | same error message |
| 18:49.02 | ChaosEagle | so, how do i change the menu item for nand? |
| 18:49.02 | Chox | and same answer I gave earlier |
| 18:49.03 | peter__b | no one with a self suspending asu ? |
| 18:49.12 | Zorkman | ChaosEagle: is your rootfs partition ext3 or ext2? |
| 18:49.19 | ChaosEagle | ext3 |
| 18:49.27 | Chox | read the uboot stuff on the wiki. Yes, I know it's awful. |
| 18:49.28 | Zorkman | then you will have to modify the uboot first |
| 18:49.35 | ChaosEagle | argh, no |
| 18:49.36 | ChaosEagle | >_< |
| 18:49.37 | Zorkman | if you don't want all those troubles: |
| 18:49.43 | ChaosEagle | it's ext2 -.- |
| 18:49.45 | ChaosEagle | stupid me. |
| 18:50.11 | Zorkman | then you should do what chox told you |
| 18:50.24 | Zorkman | i did fat & ext2 and it worked without modifying uboot |
| 18:50.33 | ChaosEagle | well, as I said, i updatet the uboot yesterday (I think) |
| 18:50.49 | Chox | round and round in circles we go :p |
| 18:50.52 | ChaosEagle | you do update uboot by booting into NOR, right? ;) |
| 18:51.08 | Chox | you can udated uboot from either. |
| 18:51.12 | Chox | er, update |
| 18:51.16 | ChaosEagle | okay |
| 18:51.25 | ChaosEagle | so basically, update again to todays version? |
| 18:51.29 | Chox | sigh |
| 18:51.44 | Chox | suggests reading more, and typing less. |
| 18:52.31 | ChaosEagle | instead of that witty comment, you could have typed something helpful |
| 18:52.35 | ChaosEagle | :P |
| 18:52.43 | Chox | certainly. I did some minutes ago, but it got drowned out. |
| 18:53.18 | ChaosEagle | Chox: Sorry, you wrote a lot of things - which one exactly are you referring to now? |
| 18:53.51 | donomo | the ext3 support seems more hastle that its worth. is the internal flashram image really that important to preserve? |
| 18:53.54 | Chox | I wrote a lot of things to couner the verbiage you wrote. Unfortunately, at this point, ?I have other things to do. |
| 18:54.11 | ChaosEagle | okay, thanks anyway... |
| 18:54.19 | donomo | dualbooting a phone sounds cool sort of how a beowulf cluster sounds cool. noone does it :) |
| 18:54.36 | Chox | donomo: I have no idea what argument you're making. |
| 18:54.40 | Zorkman | donomo: i do it :p |
| 18:54.48 | donomo | Zorkman: lol. props to you, man. |
| 18:54.53 | Chox | Debian doesn't fit in interal flash. |
| 18:55.04 | donomo | Chox: i make smalltalk instead of arguments. :) |
| 18:55.35 | donomo | Chox: interesting. the whole thing? i thought people were using a stripped down version. |
| 18:55.45 | ChaosEagle | so, anyone less busy here to help me instead of pushing his own ego? ;) |
| 18:55.57 | Chox | they are. it's still a squeeze in the 512MB SD card. |
| 18:56.02 | Zorkman | ChaosEagle: Chox actually did try to help you |
| 18:56.19 | Zorkman | ChaosEagle: [22:43] <Chox> then you specified the wrong root device to the kernel command line |
| 18:56.26 | ChaosEagle | Zorkman: I KNOW, but it really didn't help me much, unfortunately |
| 18:56.32 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 18:56.42 | Zorkman | ChaosEagle: just try to follow the wiki *once again* |
| 18:56.47 | Chox | ChaosEagle: indeed, cos you ignored it, and told us some unrelated stuff, insated of asking how to do it. |
| 18:56.48 | ChaosEagle | Zorkman: Now THAT'S more helpful than "read more, type less", thanks :) |
| 18:56.58 | Zorkman | i would recommend using the fat and ext2, that way you do not have to edit uboot |
| 18:57.12 | donomo | Zorkman: what two images do you have |
| 18:57.14 | ChaosEagle | Sorry, but it's kinda hard to filter out the important bits when multiple people are suggesting different things... |
| 18:57.24 | Chox | helps a lot of people. Perhaps more than anyone here; if you are going to overwhelm me with verbiage, and not follow my advice, I can't help others. |
| 18:57.41 | AntonTakk | i wonder how hard it would be, if at all, to have the fr present it's fs over usb mass storage |
| 18:57.46 | Chox | actually, most of the suggestions were yours :o |
| 18:57.51 | Zorkman | ChaosEagle: you'll get used to chox's way of helpong people, he spends a lot of time helping people, but you have to listen (don't worry, I suck at it too :)) |
| 18:57.52 | AntonTakk | *if at all possible* |
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| 18:57.53 | ChaosEagle | Chox: Hey, no offense... |
| 18:58.12 | Chox | not offended, just reality. |
| 18:58.15 | ChaosEagle | It's just not easy if you're new to this whole uboot-business, you know. |
| 18:58.17 | Zorkman | ChaosEagle: kernel : http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080727/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 18:58.33 | Chox | I do know. and I know the wiki sucks on the matter. |
| 18:58.42 | Zorkman | (what do you want to install on the sd, ASU or 2007.2?) |
| 18:58.50 | ChaosEagle | Zorkman: ASU |
| 18:58.50 | weatherhead | AntonTakk: I'm no expert, but I tried something similar with embedded linux, and it seems non trivial |
| 18:59.03 | Zorkman | ChaosEagle: rootfs: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080722-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz |
| 18:59.35 | Chox | weatherhead: such things can be. But in priciple, there's no reason why it has to be. these processes can be made real easy |
| 18:59.36 | ChaosEagle | Yep, got the kernel on the vfat partition and the rootfs on the ext2 |
| 18:59.48 | Zorkman | indeed |
| 18:59.56 | AntonTakk | weatherhead: figures, thou since any decent os can browse it's fs in a file manager over sftp, i guess it doesn't really matter :) |
| 18:59.58 | Zorkman | but just to make sure do everything on the wiki again, |
| 19:00.03 | ChaosEagle | *nods* |
| 19:00.19 | Zorkman | first delete your partitions in fdisk: d 1 d w) |
| 19:00.27 | weatherhead | Chox, AntonTakk: I meant in the sense of being able to replace rootfs etc |
| 19:00.50 | Chox | weatherhead: you'll have to be a lot more specific. |
| 19:01.01 | Zorkman | weatherhead: I don't see why in the future there can't be an app that does all that automatically, that makes for instance your device a triple boot |
| 19:01.27 | weatherhead | I'm just assuming that you'd need some kind of driver to expose the file system over USB |
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| 19:01.39 | Chox | uboot isn't part of the filesystem |
| 19:01.43 | kd8ikt | wont booting from sd be slow as heck |
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| 19:02.15 | Chox | well, it kind of could be, but it's not in the usual sense. |
| 19:02.25 | Chox | it's perfectly possible to update it from within Linux. |
| 19:02.42 | kd8ikt | i'm afraid to check my mail (yesterday i signed up for all the openmoko mailing lists) |
| 19:02.52 | Zorkman | lol :) |
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| 19:03.11 | kd8ikt | mailbomb |
| 19:04.03 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: i can't say so for sure, but i have booted the ASU from SD and from internal and it doesn't *seem* much slower on the SD, but i didn't time it.... |
| 19:04.21 | Chox | it doubt it's very different. |
| 19:05.13 | kd8ikt | oh god 113 mails |
| 19:05.13 | Chox | hdparm if you want to find out. |
| 19:05.13 | Yashy | kd8ikt: sign up for a gmail or other disposible account just for the mailing lists :) |
| 19:05.13 | doc|work | kd8ikt: ctrl-a, delete, ctrl-e |
| 19:05.28 | Sargun | Any ideas during mokomakefile: NOTE: Task failed: Unknown fetch Error: [Errno 20] Not a directory: '/home/xbmodder/openmoko/mokomakefile/sources/git/anongit.freedesktop.org.git.packagekit/813fa8cfb139246cf180d52895b52b28616ae2f5/git/backends/yum/helpers/packagekit' |
| 19:07.16 | AntonTakk | anyone know if there are docs on making asu suspend? |
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| 19:09.31 | Yashy | doc|work: How are things? Heading over to the mainland in a week or two if you wanna grab a drink or something |
| 19:10.33 | Chox | Kanuckistantians :o |
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| 19:15.12 | Zorkman | ChaosEagle: if it working? |
| 19:15.15 | Zorkman | *is |
| 19:16.31 | ChaosEagle | Zorkman: Working on it ;) |
| 19:16.47 | ChaosEagle | right now, I'm repopulating the newly created ext3 (yes, 3) FS ^^ |
| 19:17.17 | Zorkman | ok, just remember if you do ext3 you will probably have to edit the u-boot... |
| 19:17.43 | ChaosEagle | hmm, I thought it was the other way round? |
| 19:17.50 | ChaosEagle | Ext3 is default, ext2 was added later? |
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| 19:19.20 | Zorkman | nope, i told yor :p |
| 19:19.23 | Zorkman | *you |
| 19:19.32 | cjb | boggle. I can't figure out how to send uppercase letters in SMS. |
| 19:19.44 | Zorkman | if you look in the NAND u-boot you also see standard "Boot from microSD (FAT+ext2) |
| 19:19.50 | ChaosEagle | hmm, weird - the kernel says it's trying ext3 and thus fails |
| 19:19.59 | kd8ikt | whoah anyopne read that email "Openmoko on Design" |
| 19:20.03 | cjb | I hit the uppercase button in the keyboard and it doesn't do anything |
| 19:20.22 | Zorkman | ChaosEagle: could that not be when you tried starting it from NOR boot? |
| 19:20.40 | ChaosEagle | nope, happend when starting from NAND |
| 19:20.40 | Zorkman | cjb: hit i like you mean it |
| 19:21.08 | Zorkman | ChaosEagle: I can only tell you what mly uboot (jul 28 2008) tells me and how I did it |
| 19:21.17 | Stroller | kd8ikt: yeah. What did you think about it? |
| 19:21.28 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: me too |
| 19:21.38 | kd8ikt | i think i've been a bad panda |
| 19:21.44 | doc|work | Yashy: sure, give me a shout. Over for long? |
| 19:21.50 | ChaosEagle | Zorkman: Yeah, thank you for that :) |
| 19:22.13 | ChaosEagle | Zorkman: But now it works, booting from NAND with ext3 on the sd for the rootfs :) |
| 19:22.24 | Stroller | has been suffering sarcastic private emails for bitching about the "openness" of the decision to remove the keyboard button from ASU |
| 19:22.33 | ChaosEagle | thanks for your help, everyone :) |
| 19:22.59 | Zorkman | ChaosEagle: np, i have had to ask a million questions and am thankfull for the help I got (and hopefully will get :)) |
| 19:23.01 | kd8ikt | oh yea i've been a baaad panda |
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| 19:23.06 | Zorkman | congrats ChaosEagle! |
| 19:23.27 | ChaosEagle | thanks :) |
| 19:23.45 | ChaosEagle | phew, ASU looks a lot nicer now than the last time I tried it =) |
| 19:23.48 | kd8ikt | in other news i got my dev environment working it seems <mokomakefile is still chuggin away> |
| 19:24.29 | kd8ikt | with no end in sight |
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| 19:26.52 | Bubbi | what are people working on for openmoko atm..? |
| 19:27.06 | Bubbi | people = all of you :) |
| 19:27.29 | bagpuss_thecat | 20:25 -!- Irssi: New peak in #openmoko@opn : 429 |
| 19:27.31 | bagpuss_thecat | \o/ |
| 19:27.46 | Zorkman | me: trying not to pose too many questions so the people can get on with their work :) |
| 19:27.50 | kd8ikt | i've been itching to do some accellerometer stuff |
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| 19:30.12 | ChaosEagle | Well, I'm off, playing with ASU =) |
| 19:30.13 | ChaosEagle | See you later guys, and thanks again =) |
| 19:30.25 | Zorkman | bye |
| 19:31.11 | Bubbi | kd8ikt: That sounds cool :) I'm still just trying to understand the entire concept of the freerunner and openmoko. I would very much like to help out in everything, but I'm not very experienced with Linux yet |
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| 19:41.49 | AntonTakk | i need to take the front off my fr tonight and see about putting a screen protector over the screen |
| 19:42.11 | linuxxr | gotta be sneaky |
| 19:42.24 | AntonTakk | how so? |
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| 19:42.45 | TAsn | AntonTakk, i think he was joking... |
| 19:42.48 | linuxxr | i put mine on from the outside |
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| 19:43.16 | TAsn | anyhow please document what you did and how or more important the pitfalls you encountered... |
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| 19:43.42 | AntonTakk | linuxxr: i want the entire visible area of the screen covered so it doesn't collect dust at the edges - means the screen protector has to be a bit larger than the screen, so the front needs to come off |
| 19:43.57 | linuxxr | i was going to try with a silgkt spray of soapy water |
| 19:44.11 | linuxxr | slight |
| 19:44.30 | AntonTakk | TAsn: like: WARNING: never drink liquids, read funny stuff, and open your freerunner at the same time! |
| 19:44.37 | linuxxr | then i got scared |
| 19:44.38 | SpeedEvil | there is no need for any solution if you just put the protector on under teh case. |
| 19:44.42 | SpeedEvil | It's easy to do. |
| 19:44.57 | SpeedEvil | (if the protector is large enough) |
| 19:45.09 | linuxxr | cut your own? |
| 19:45.14 | AntonTakk | SpeedEvil: that's what i figured - and i got some half decent protectors from best buy that you cut to size :) |
| 19:45.16 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, is the fr protector from zaag big enough? |
| 19:45.20 | Chox | http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/08/07/28/1615233.shtml |
| 19:45.32 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: I have no idea - I know the one I've been pushing is. |
| 19:45.51 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, where did you get that one from? |
| 19:46.07 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shop:Speedevil |
| 19:46.07 | kd8ikt | buy one from SpeedEvil |
| 19:46.14 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 19:46.36 | kd8ikt | i might buy one and a cap bag someday SpeedEvil |
| 19:46.36 | AntonTakk | need to make sure i can get the protector on w/o getting bubbles under it thou |
| 19:46.37 | Stroller | Chox: cool! I wanna get a really small bluetooth headset, have it sprayed like that and have it implanted under my skin. |
| 19:46.38 | SpeedEvil | Mine are hand-crafted by vampires. |
| 19:46.45 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 19:46.45 | Chox | nice. |
| 19:46.51 | cjb | hm, I took my moko on a bike ride and it ran out of battery after <3 hours, with the GPS running |
| 19:46.54 | Chox | hasn't read the article, like most slashdotters |
| 19:47.01 | Stroller | either |
| 19:47.05 | SpeedEvil | AntonTakk: the silicone gel backed protectors can be easily removed and replaced - you can lift them easily if you get a bubble. |
| 19:47.17 | SpeedEvil | cjb: neo/fr? |
| 19:47.17 | kd8ikt | cjb: was anything else running? wifi? bluetooth? |
| 19:47.20 | linuxxr | with the batt out an the front off i might give that a try |
| 19:47.20 | cjb | SpeedEvil: FR |
| 19:47.26 | cjb | kd8ikt: hm, maybe wifi |
| 19:47.34 | cjb | not bluetooth. the wifi wasn't associated, of course. |
| 19:47.35 | SpeedEvil | cjb: just logging, or tango? |
| 19:47.39 | cjb | tango |
| 19:47.51 | cjb | I think maybe the tango redrawing sucks battery |
| 19:47.53 | SpeedEvil | cjb: I think I get >3h with neo. |
| 19:48.01 | kd8ikt | i could see the wifi eating juice like none other |
| 19:48.05 | SpeedEvil | cjb: I'll need to look at some logs. |
| 19:48.12 | cjb | kd8ikt: only while associated, I'd think |
| 19:48.15 | kd8ikt | i checked my kernel logs and it seems like wifi is always making noise |
| 19:48.22 | SpeedEvil | cjb: not really |
| 19:48.32 | SpeedEvil | cjb: just listening it uses a fair wack of power. |
| 19:48.34 | AntonTakk | SpeedEvil: these have no gell at all, but a sheet of plastic |
| 19:48.40 | cjb | anyway, I wonder if I should try and carry two batteries, I have a Neo battery too |
| 19:48.41 | SpeedEvil | AntonTakk: ah. |
| 19:48.42 | kd8ikt | cause wpa_supplicant for example likes to constantly search |
| 19:48.54 | cjb | but then I need something that can hold power while I switch out the batteries |
| 19:49.10 | kd8ikt | a solar hat |
| 19:49.15 | linuxxr | u spray something on them? |
| 19:49.28 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, now that's interesting |
| 19:49.44 | TAsn | how much does it cost to get your protector shipped? |
| 19:49.48 | SpeedEvil | $5 |
| 19:49.50 | SpeedEvil | total |
| 19:50.03 | TAsn | with worldwide shipment?! |
| 19:50.23 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:50.31 | TAsn | sounds cheap :) |
| 19:50.37 | SpeedEvil | Cheap and works. |
| 19:51.00 | TAsn | i c, well i will need to get paypal first :) |
| 19:51.01 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 19:51.08 | lindi- | protector? |
| 19:51.40 | linuxxr | wat if u want a 10 pack |
| 19:51.50 | cjb | I guess I could get my bike to charge my cell |
| 19:51.59 | cjb | but I don't want a large loss of efficiency |
| 19:52.03 | TAsn | cjb, sure you can. |
| 19:52.10 | cjb | already somewhat inefficient due to hybrid tires |
| 19:52.18 | TAsn | hybrid tires? |
| 19:52.20 | TAsn | what's that? |
| 19:52.32 | TAsn | offroad and on road? |
| 19:52.42 | TAsn | something in the middle that is ? |
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| 19:53.41 | cjb | road tires are very thin and high psi, mountain bike tires are very thick and have knobbly things that increase traction but cause friction |
| 19:53.55 | cjb | hybrid tires are wider than road tires with occasional knobbly things. |
| 19:54.18 | cjb | (and run at more like 60psi, compared to 120psi for road tires, with corresponding loss of efficiency.) |
| 19:54.36 | railer | hey what's the stroy on bluetooth? anyone here about headsets yet? |
| 19:55.44 | kd8ikt | hear |
| 19:55.50 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 19:56.26 | linuxxr | wheres chocky when u need him |
| 19:57.04 | linuxxr | anybody irc on the freerunner yet? |
| 19:57.22 | linuxxr | who here is on a freerunner |
| 19:57.30 | linuxxr | dangit |
| 19:58.00 | kd8ikt | i sorta did via ssh |
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| 19:58.18 | linuxxr | cool |
| 19:58.33 | kd8ikt | only that lil keyboard isnt fun to use |
| 19:58.39 | mmaestri | linuxxr: I was, a few times. using pidgin, irssi, from the fr and ssh'ed |
| 19:58.48 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07zhone * raf08880580c4 10/src/zhone: Enable GPS position graph since jan found out it does work |
| 19:59.01 | linuxxr | u got minimo working? |
| 19:59.25 | linuxxr | i keep whippin out the mouse somehow |
| 19:59.26 | mmaestri | linuxxr: yes, but is slow |
| 19:59.27 | railer | wow I didn't know so many grade school spelling teachers were openmoko users |
| 20:00.03 | linuxxr | can't figure out how to lose the mouse |
| 20:00.57 | Chox | who needs abuse? |
| 20:01.06 | Chox | besides me, that is. |
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| 20:01.38 | mmaestri | Chox: me. I little. wanna try debian |
| 20:01.41 | mmaestri | :p |
| 20:01.57 | Chox | is trying Debian. That's abuse aplenty. |
| 20:02.26 | Zorkman | get ready for a really stupid question: |
| 20:02.34 | mmaestri | Chox: how is going so far? |
| 20:02.35 | Zorkman | hhow do i install bash? |
| 20:02.45 | Tanuva | are there daily builds of the fso stack or just the milestone1-ones? |
| 20:02.52 | Zorkman | i found a site which says i need libncurses, but opkg doesn't has that |
| 20:03.13 | mmaestri | Zorkman: mmm...tried debian armel packages? |
| 20:03.43 | CM | Tanuva: There's some unofficial ones here: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D |
| 20:03.45 | Chox | slow. |
| 20:03.54 | Chox | opkg install bash |
| 20:03.55 | kd8ikt | Zorkman: bash is in the opkg repo |
| 20:04.05 | Chox | then edit /etc/passwd |
| 20:04.26 | CM | Tanuva: Assuming you have a FreeRunner (Thank alphaone for the builds) |
| 20:04.36 | alphaone | will upload a new one in a sec |
| 20:04.42 | mmaestri | Chox: that was my first choice, then he said something about libncurses, and...forget it |
| 20:04.48 | Chox | er. |
| 20:05.03 | Zeroedout | hey, any chance someone tried to get python-pygame on the freerunner? |
| 20:05.06 | CM | alphaone: Nice. I just finished a gta01 build |
| 20:05.06 | Zorkman | chox: opkg install bash doesn't work, returns error value 2 |
| 20:05.18 | kd8ikt | hm |
| 20:05.18 | alphaone | CM: :-) |
| 20:05.18 | Chox | opkg -force-depends remove ncurses |
| 20:05.21 | Chox | "doesn't work" |
| 20:05.49 | Zorkman | well, i specified the type of "doesn't work"... |
| 20:05.57 | Chox | but not the details. |
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| 20:06.05 | Chox | can't help you, othewise |
| 20:06.10 | Zorkman | thanks anyway |
| 20:06.13 | Tanuva | CM: thanks, gonna try that :) |
| 20:06.18 | kd8ikt | what filesystem image are you using? |
| 20:06.22 | Zorkman | 2007.2 |
| 20:06.27 | Zorkman | bash is included in ASU |
| 20:06.37 | kd8ikt | hm cause it works for me |
| 20:06.41 | Chox | "what browser are you using?" "Windows" |
| 20:06.51 | Zorkman | sorry |
| 20:07.00 | Zorkman | 2007.2 kernel 28/07 rootfs 22/07 |
| 20:07.08 | kd8ikt | i love bash's echo $RANDOM |
| 20:07.19 | kd8ikt | uses it for lotto numbers ;) |
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| 20:07.45 | mmaestri | perhaps adding the angstrom repo? |
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| 20:08.19 | kd8ikt | opkg install http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/bash_3.2-r5_armv4t.ipk |
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| 20:09.05 | Zorkman | mmaestri: i'llthanks kd8ikt, but how come when i ran "opkg list | grep bash" it didn't return anything? |
| 20:09.12 | Chox | opkg update |
| 20:09.29 | Zorkman | Chox: i did the opkg update |
| 20:09.31 | kd8ikt | yeah thats odd if it was updated and still no bash |
| 20:09.32 | Chox | :o |
| 20:10.02 | Zorkman | even after installing it i get nothing when i do "opkg list | grep bash" |
| 20:10.10 | kd8ikt | you havent been messing with /etc/opkg/* stuff have ya? |
| 20:10.30 | Zorkman | nope, i only do that on the ASU |
| 20:10.44 | Zorkman | it was a clean install.... flashed it and booted it for the first time |
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| 20:11.26 | kd8ikt | weird |
| 20:12.02 | Zorkman | anyway, it works now, so thanks everyone |
| 20:12.41 | kd8ikt | i'm actually using the release jffs but opkg/upgraded +a beta kernel |
| 20:12.49 | mmaestri | Zorkman: ...and how was that...? it just "worked"? |
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| 20:13.10 | kd8ikt | prolly why my suspend/resume is fubar |
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| 20:13.52 | kd8ikt | i got that link via my own opkg install bash |
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| 20:14.53 | Zorkman | mmaestri: it worked when i opkg'd with the link to the ipk file |
| 20:15.04 | mmaestri | ah, ok |
| 20:16.03 | kd8ikt | snds like your opkg conf /sources are messed |
| 20:16.25 | kd8ikt | i could post my opkg configs for you |
| 20:16.35 | Zorkman | i rebooted the opkg and now it can find the bash file on its own... |
| 20:16.54 | Zorkman | i removed the installed bash and when I run "opkg install bash" it also works withouth problems... |
| 20:17.02 | Zorkman | i'm 100% sure i didn't touch my opkg folder |
| 20:17.05 | kd8ikt | cool |
| 20:17.57 | mmaestri | how's the status of FSO right now? someone tried it? |
| 20:18.01 | Yashy | Any good URLs for building ipk files from application sources? |
| 20:18.17 | mmaestri | Yashy: wiki |
| 20:19.07 | Yashy | mmaestri: which wiki page? I tried to follow two, but both pages suck. |
| 20:19.23 | Chox | who where which wiki? |
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| 20:19.31 | mmaestri | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 20:19.38 | Chox | ah, it's time waster Yashy |
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| 20:20.46 | Yashy | mmaestri: Thanks, will give it a try (IIRC this was one I tried step by step and didn't work) |
| 20:20.52 | Zorkman | is there a "nice" way to disable the tap-sound in 2007.2? the one I used was just renaming the tap-sound file... |
| 20:22.00 | Chox | laffs at "Wiki is a POS" thread on list. so true. |
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| 20:22.31 | SpeedEvil | passes out the 'so fix it' baseball bats. |
| 20:22.41 | Chox | haz bean. |
| 20:22.43 | Quai | Zorkman: edit /etc/pulse/session, and comment out the line that starts with "load-sample touchscreen". Then run /etc/init.d/pulse restart |
| 20:23.00 | Chox | but I see they've formed a committee. bet that'll do lots. not. |
| 20:23.01 | Zorkman | thanks! |
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| 20:23.33 | kd8ikt | yeah thats one of the first things i do Zorkman ;) |
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| 20:27.07 | CM | Hehe, nice error message from the openmoko-devel-image when failing to resume: http://www.acc.umu.se/~cm/naughy_programer.jpg |
| 20:28.02 | malik1972 | lpotter: ping |
| 20:28.06 | Zeroedout | Hi, i'm trying to compile pygame for the freerunner, i think i need the openmoko sdl libraries but i think it's trying to use my system ones. If i append root@phone: to all the library paths, will that work? |
| 20:28.30 | balrog-k1n | managed to reproduce this same screen in qemu... far too many times :p |
| 20:28.31 | Tanuva | wow, fso evolved massively since milestone1... |
| 20:30.05 | balrog-k1n | Zeroedout: can you do that in python? in unix generally x@y:... is not a valid path |
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| 20:34.10 | Zeroedout | guess not......... no nfs for the freerunner yet eh? |
| 20:34.51 | mmaestri | Tanuva: are you using FSO right now? |
| 20:35.24 | Tanuva | malik1972: "using"... my neo's running it and I am desperately trying to recompile the zhone edj file, yes |
| 20:35.33 | Tanuva | oh, sorry. I mean mmaestri |
| 20:35.45 | malik1972 | hehe |
| 20:35.51 | mmaestri | :p |
| 20:35.58 | malik1972 | cant help you |
| 20:36.05 | balrog-k1n | Zeroedout: nfs should work identically to nfs between pc's |
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| 20:36.19 | mmaestri | Tanuva: well, are you using the latest build? |
| 20:36.33 | Wonka | hrm... neod shall be replaced by something better, nor? when? |
| 20:36.50 | mmaestri | i'm looking for some advice/opinion about its status |
| 20:36.55 | Tanuva | mmaestri: I just flashed one from today, would expect it to be the latest, yes |
| 20:37.08 | mmaestri | where did you get it? |
| 20:37.20 | Rigolo | would also like to know :-) |
| 20:37.40 | Tanuva | the link CM posted a few lines before: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D |
| 20:37.56 | Tanuva | they're inofficial he says, but at least here it runs |
| 20:38.44 | mmaestri | Tanuva: it runs...but you are complaining about zhone not working, right? |
| 20:38.45 | CM | Tanuva: Not sure if you noticed, but alphaone sad he was just making a new build a little while ago |
| 20:39.11 | alphaone | http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080728-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary |
| 20:39.24 | Tanuva | CM: I didnt notice that - but I appreciate that since opkg segfaults regularly :D |
| 20:39.25 | alphaone | That one's the newest, another one coming up shortly |
| 20:39.35 | mmaestri | that looks better. it says "gta02" :p |
| 20:39.43 | Tanuva | yep |
| 20:40.14 | CM | alphaone: How do I power off the FSO= |
| 20:40.15 | CM | ? |
| 20:40.27 | CM | Holding the power button does nothing.. |
| 20:40.37 | Rigolo | I understood you can not .... remove the battery :-) |
| 20:40.38 | mmaestri | alphaone: can I keep my kernel or had to flash a new one? |
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| 20:40.45 | alphaone | CM: I think only hard power off works |
| 20:40.54 | CM | Ok, no |
| 20:40.55 | alphaone | which means holding the button for 10secs |
| 20:41.02 | CM | Hmm.. |
| 20:41.03 | CM | I'll try |
| 20:41.29 | alphaone | mmaestri: If your kernel ends with +8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r4-om-gta02.bin you can keep |
| 20:41.37 | alphaone | I always update to be on the safe side. |
| 20:42.10 | alphaone | But it's often not necessary |
| 20:42.10 | CM | Looks nice, suspends and resumes, but I can't call yet |
| 20:42.10 | alphaone | CM: Hmm, should be possible actually |
| 20:42.19 | Wonka | i could call... |
| 20:42.20 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt called me a couple hours ago |
| 20:42.33 | alphaone | I was also able to send him SMS |
| 20:42.34 | Wonka | after inserting a sim and entering the pin |
| 20:42.35 | kd8ikt | dangit i'm trying to compile htop but it cant find curses.h |
| 20:42.35 | CM | Yes, the dialer worked this time, but it might be some sound problem |
| 20:42.42 | mmaestri | alphaone: there is a contact list now? |
| 20:42.44 | CM | I phoned with the devel-image about 5 minutes ago |
| 20:42.45 | kd8ikt | and yes i have every curses dev pkg avail |
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| 20:44.29 | Toaster` | is happy. His FR now fully works (well, as well as can be expected) |
| 20:44.34 | mmaestri | ...is there a contact list on that FSO build? |
| 20:44.49 | Tanuva | yes, it's there,but I cant test how far it works atm |
| 20:44.50 | CM | alphaone: Can't kill it by holding the power button either, only by taking out the battery |
| 20:44.57 | Tanuva | CM: same here |
| 20:45.18 | alphaone | CM: oh, okay |
| 20:45.20 | alphaone | strange |
| 20:45.28 | CM | Want to reboot anyway, to see if I can get the sound working |
| 20:45.44 | alphaone | mmaestri: Contact list is list of contacts on SIM |
| 20:45.45 | Zorkman | CM: Tanuva alphaone maybe its better to ssh and reboot from terminal then unpluggin the battery |
| 20:45.53 | kd8ikt | i've noticed mine is like a regular computer in that if you hold the power button long enough it turns off |
| 20:46.20 | Tanuva | Zorkman: that's what I do all the time (if it didn't crash :) ) |
| 20:46.20 | CM | kd8ikt: The openmoko-devel-image does that |
| 20:46.22 | kd8ikt | well the moko is a computer so... |
| 20:46.32 | kd8ikt | no biggy |
| 20:46.32 | CM | But not moko underground or fso, for me at least |
| 20:46.34 | mmaestri | alphaone: yes, i've readed before that FSO didn't had a way of reading the SIM to get the contact list |
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| 20:48.28 | mmaestri | anyone using debian? |
| 20:48.39 | Wonka | not on my FR |
| 20:48.40 | Zorkman | HOLY MACARONI |
| 20:48.46 | Zorkman | the screen offset in landscape mode is gone |
| 20:48.56 | mmaestri | ...on the fr... |
| 20:49.02 | Zorkman | yes, on the freerunner :p |
| 20:49.03 | CM | Sweet, calling worked after a pull-out-the-battery reboot :) |
| 20:49.05 | Chox | macaroni penguin |
| 20:49.09 | alphaone | Zorkman: Where, how, why? |
| 20:49.21 | Tanuva | Zorkman: what the?! |
| 20:49.23 | Tanuva | nice |
| 20:49.39 | Zorkman | ASU image; kernel: 2807, rootfs 2207, i have done no opkg upgrade |
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| 20:50.05 | mmaestri | Zorkman: lucky you |
| 20:51.00 | Tanuva | alphaone: is totalueberwachung.de down? |
| 20:51.14 | Zorkman | update: sometimes the offset reintroduces itself |
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| 20:51.37 | mmaestri | that's weird |
| 20:51.53 | Zorkman | yes, very |
| 20:52.00 | Tanuva | huh. an offset with it's own intelligence... |
| 20:52.24 | kd8ikt | cool w00t.com is selling a battery powered lawnmower |
| 20:52.37 | Zorkman | it seems that it only happens *sometimes* when you click too close to a corner... |
| 20:52.43 | alphaone | Tanuva: Shouldn't be |
| 20:52.44 | mmaestri | Zorkman: which apps are you testing? |
| 20:52.53 | mmaestri | on landscape mode |
| 20:52.56 | alphaone | It's also my router so as long as we can communicate :-) |
| 20:53.00 | Zorkman | scummvm |
| 20:53.14 | alphaone | Tanuva: But I just built a new fso image on there. |
| 20:53.22 | alphaone | So it might have been a little slow |
| 20:53.33 | Chox | tried to build FSO yesterday. failed :-( |
| 20:53.34 | Tanuva | alphaone: maybe its too busy, yes. Going to wait a few mins |
| 20:53.38 | Chox | takes foreeeeeeeeeever. |
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| 20:53.46 | alphaone | Tanuva: Try again now |
| 20:53.50 | Tanuva | once built 2007.2 by hand |
| 20:53.52 | alphaone | should be ready |
| 20:53.58 | yoyo_ | sija |
| 20:53.58 | Chox | bit by bit? |
| 20:53.59 | Toaster` | does anyone know where SMS are stored on the FR? |
| 20:54.35 | Tanuva | alphaone: hmm... doesn't seem to respond... |
| 20:54.42 | CM | Chox: I built it today, no problem |
| 20:54.50 | Zorkman | is going to play monkey island 2 :) |
| 20:55.10 | mmaestri | Toaster`: I guess it depends on which image are you using |
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| 20:55.28 | Toaster` | mmaestri: 2007.2 + all the updates |
| 20:55.58 | phrozen77 | anyone has a clue how to get a mailinglist into evolution? the fields for it are all grayed out and unresponsive |
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| 20:58.01 | CM | Chox: What's breaking it for you? Taking too long? |
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| 20:58.59 | Toaster` | I figured the SMS texts would be sitting in .evolution, but nope, only the addressbook is there. |
| 20:59.46 | Toaster` | My issue is that my FR thinks that I have a new message, when I don't. Nothing is listed in the messages app so I think I have a null message there, so I want to see if I can clear it. |
| 21:01.10 | Toaster` | Not a showstopper by any means, but it is annoying to have a fixed "1 new message(s)" box sitting on my today screen. |
| 21:01.48 | Toaster` | anyone have an idea? |
| 21:02.11 | zogs | but the keyboard with ASU? |
| 21:04.33 | CM | Is there any way to get a qwerty keyboard on the fso? |
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| 21:06.03 | Tanuva | CM: the new builds have illume with it's keyboard like on asu |
| 21:06.17 | Nixoeen | It was supposed to have a new phones in stock in 25th of July, but it's 4 days passed, and still nothing ! Anybody knows why ? |
| 21:06.18 | CM | Tanuva: Ok, then how do you get it to show? |
| 21:06.23 | CM | I'm trying to add a contact |
| 21:06.33 | CM | Or write an sms |
| 21:06.35 | Tanuva | CM: press the "qwerty" button on the upper left |
| 21:06.45 | CM | Ok, trying to do that, but nothing shows up |
| 21:06.58 | Tanuva | then, the "ABC" button on the upper right of the keyboard panel |
| 21:07.06 | CM | Guess I'll have to click harder, maybe it's not perfectly aligned on the GTA01 |
| 21:07.06 | Tanuva | thats strange |
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| 21:07.52 | CM | Tanuva: I can get the drop down menu, but no qwerty |
| 21:08.43 | Tanuva | CM: there *should* come up the keyboard if you click the upper left instead of dropping illume... |
| 21:08.56 | CM | Ok. Does nothing here |
| 21:09.05 | CM | Maybe an gta01 issue |
| 21:09.24 | CM | Tanuva: Thanks anyway :) |
| 21:09.29 | Zorkman | Tanuva: CM: are yo talking about the querty button? |
| 21:09.32 | Tanuva | yep... that part already worked fine on asu with my fr |
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| 21:09.37 | Tanuva | Zorkman: yes |
| 21:09.38 | CM | Zorkman: Yes |
| 21:09.49 | Zorkman | it *used to work* on my asu also |
| 21:09.55 | CM | Ah, ok |
| 21:10.02 | Zorkman | today i reflashed (beacause okg broke it) and it doesn't appear when i click it |
| 21:10.17 | Zorkman | very inconvenient |
| 21:10.18 | CM | Ok, so broken in todays build then |
| 21:10.19 | CM | thanks |
| 21:10.27 | CM | At least it's not just me ;) |
| 21:10.32 | Zorkman | i didn't upgrade to todays build, because opkg upgrade bricks my asu |
| 21:10.52 | Zorkman | i edited the *edj file manually though, don't know how you did it |
| 21:11.11 | Tanuva | Zorkman: did you do that on the neo? |
| 21:11.12 | CM | I built it an hour ago |
| 21:12.22 | zogs | where I found a keyboard for asu? |
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| 21:13.23 | Tanuva | grmpf... cant get onto totalueberwachung.de anymore >.< |
| 21:13.30 | Zorkman | Tanuva: yes on the freerunner |
| 21:13.43 | CM | Tanuva: Maybe alphaone went to sleep ;) |
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| 21:14.18 | Tanuva | Zorkman: which packages did you install to do that? I cant get it to compile, decompiling works though - build.sh complains about a missing embryo_cc IIRC |
| 21:14.42 | Tanuva | CM: he said it should work some time ago... but you might be true |
| 21:17.33 | Toaster` | so no idea about how to clear an surplus SMS? |
| 21:18.16 | CM | Toaster`: With the openmoko-devel-image (2007.2) I always get two old ones sent back to me when I turn it on |
| 21:18.25 | CM | Don't get it with the asu |
| 21:18.34 | Tanuva | lol |
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| 21:18.44 | Zorkman | Tanuva: i downloaded a precompiled one |
| 21:18.47 | alphaone | CM: Tanuva: ? |
| 21:18.57 | Toaster` | CM: ok, I suppose I could give the ASU a try. does TangoGPs work with the ASU? |
| 21:19.11 | CM | Tanuva: The page works for me |
| 21:19.12 | Tanuva | alphaone: your (?) server is still unreachable for me |
| 21:19.15 | Tanuva | hmm |
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| 21:19.31 | alphaone | Tanuva: Okay, can you do a traceroute? |
| 21:19.32 | Zorkman | Tanuva: http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/illume.edj |
| 21:19.35 | alphaone | and pastebin that? |
| 21:19.46 | Zorkman | Toaster`: it works with the ASU |
| 21:19.55 | CM | Tanuva: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com :) |
| 21:19.55 | alphaone | Tanuva: can you reach www.tu-bs.de ? |
| 21:19.56 | Tanuva | Zorkman: ah. I thought you modified it manually, that's what I'd want to do |
| 21:20.09 | Zorkman | nope, the noobness is too strong in this one :) |
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| 21:20.20 | Zorkman | if you get it to work, let me know ;) |
| 21:20.43 | Tanuva | alphaone: yes, I can reach that. traceroute in a second... |
| 21:20.59 | alphaone | k |
| 21:21.14 | Nixoeen | It was supposed to have a new phones in stock in 25th of July, but it's 4 days passed, and still nothing ! Anybody knows why ? |
| 21:21.30 | zogs | Zorkman: where I can find keyboard with ASU? |
| 21:22.09 | Zorkman | zogs: http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/illume.edj used to work for me (copy that to http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/illume.edj) |
| 21:22.19 | Zorkman | but at this moment it doesn't work for me :) |
| 21:22.32 | Zorkman | be sure to back up your old illume.edj file (you never know) |
| 21:22.36 | Tanuva | alphaone: http://rafb.net/p/czEFA076.html |
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| 21:23.57 | Zorkman | how do i kill an app through ssh? |
| 21:24.01 | torpor | yo |
| 21:24.07 | torpor | has anyone written a screenlock application yet? |
| 21:24.12 | Chox | kill/killall |
| 21:24.13 | Blastur | Zorkman: kill `pidof <appname>` |
| 21:24.28 | Chox | killall <appname> |
| 21:24.37 | Tanuva | torpor: there's one in fso |
| 21:25.10 | torpor | great |
| 21:25.17 | torpor | how do i put it on a freerunner running om2007.2? |
| 21:25.24 | torpor | /7/8/ |
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| 21:25.47 | Tanuva | torpor: afaik you cant, because its part of zhone, but I'm not sure about that |
| 21:26.08 | torpor | ok |
| 21:26.10 | Chox | http://cgi.ebay.com/Openmoko-Linux-neo1973-Cell-Phone_W0QQitemZ260267358465QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3312QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 21:26.15 | Chox | neo for sale. |
| 21:26.20 | torpor | thanks for the headsup anyway . i'll just write my own for now. |
| 21:26.31 | Tanuva | actually you could, but I doubt that being useful |
| 21:26.33 | Chox | also a full freerunner with kit, but a bit pricey for second hand |
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| 21:27.15 | Zorkman | not a freerunner chox, a neo 1973 |
| 21:27.20 | Chox | keep up. |
| 21:27.25 | Chox | _also_ |
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| 21:27.44 | peter__b | so there is no way to get a keyboard for asu atm ? |
| 21:27.48 | Chox | http://cgi.ebay.com/OpenMoko-FreeRunner-cell-phone_W0QQitemZ220260639722QQihZ012QQcategoryZ20336QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 21:27.49 | Chox | :p |
| 21:27.58 | peter__b | (besides downgrading) |
| 21:28.45 | Zorkman | :) |
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| 21:32.48 | Chox | flips filip |
| 21:33.17 | alphaone | Tanuva: http://rafb.net/p/IM79Wr32.html |
| 21:33.59 | alphaone | There seems to be a problem in the network somewhere |
| 21:34.14 | *** join/#openmoko Kt_ (n=Kirsat@pool-72-91-10-162.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) |
| 21:34.29 | alphaone | Between the deutsche Telekom and the netherlands |
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| 21:34.59 | schmichael | did a response to someones criticism just get posted to the announce list? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2008-July/000023.html |
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| 21:35.50 | Tanuva | alphaone: hm. so we can't do anything about it... I'll wait. Tcom sometimes really sucks... :/ |
| 21:36.11 | alphaone | Tanuva: :-( |
| 21:36.25 | alphaone | Tanuva: Wait... |
| 21:36.30 | alphaone | www.tu-bs.de works? |
| 21:36.38 | Tanuva | yes |
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| 21:36.48 | alphaone | waah! |
| 21:37.08 | alphaone | totalueberwachung.de (32.1.6.56) |
| 21:37.15 | alphaone | That's entirely not right |
| 21:37.15 | Tanuva | takes cover |
| 21:37.24 | GoldenHawk | FYI all, I wrote a small tutorial for turning on the on-screen keyboard toggle button under ASU: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Keyboard_Toggle |
| 21:37.46 | alphaone | Tanuva: Can you provide me details as to what DNS Server reports that? |
| 21:38.12 | Tanuva | hmm... my router does dns-forwarding and is using the tcom-dns'es afaik |
| 21:38.28 | alphaone | Tanuva: host -a totalueberwachung.de |
| 21:38.49 | zogs | GoldenHawk: great , thanks |
| 21:39.07 | Tanuva | alphaone: tells me the nameserver's not responding |
| 21:39.12 | alphaone | Tanuva: in the meantime try 134.169.172.64 as IP |
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| 21:39.19 | alphaone | Tanuva: huh |
| 21:39.22 | alphaone | that's strange |
| 21:39.33 | Rigolo | alphaone: that is what I get ... that Ip address you just gave |
| 21:39.43 | Rigolo | I see you ahve ipv6 and ipv4 connectivity |
| 21:39.53 | Toaster` | strange, I just flashed to ASU and not ssh isn't taking a blank root password |
| 21:40.07 | *** part/#openmoko p3t3r__ (n=peter@wlan1.net-you.de) |
| 21:40.27 | Rigolo | Toaster`: I thought so too ... yesterday .. then i realized I was ssh to 200 instead of 202 :-) |
| 21:40.40 | Tanuva | alphaone: ip works, thanks - is that a dynamic or static one (can I bookmark it reliably)? |
| 21:41.16 | Toaster` | Rigolo: oi... I just did the same thing... now I feel like a fool |
| 21:41.30 | alphaone | Tanuva: Pretty static |
| 21:41.36 | Rigolo | well .... just think ... you are not the only one :-) |
| 21:41.39 | Tanuva | fine |
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| 21:41.48 | peter__b | GoldenHawk: i already tried what you have written but it only gave me the qwerty back - no keyboard after pressing it |
| 21:41.48 | alphaone | Tanuva: But I would rather have we figure out the reason. |
| 21:42.08 | Tanuva | yep |
| 21:42.10 | Rigolo | btw ... does anybody know how to change the default font size in openmoko-browser? it is too big right now :-) |
| 21:42.23 | GoldenHawk | peter__b: Okay. I'll try it again and see if I can fix it. |
| 21:43.50 | Zorkman | peter_b: same here, my modfied edj file already had visible 1 |
| 21:43.51 | peter__b | GoldenHawk: i did this yesterday after i found that stuff in the ml |
| 21:44.38 | peter__b | Zorkman: did you downloadd the edje file before ? |
| 21:45.31 | peter__b | iirc someone in the ml said that the keyboard can be disabled in software |
| 21:45.31 | Zorkman | yes |
| 21:45.40 | peter__b | there you go :-) |
| 21:45.59 | Zorkman | peter__b: i downloaded the file that wasz posted in the mailinglists, it worked on my previous build of the ASU but not on this one |
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| 21:46.11 | Zorkman | probably due to me not opkg upgrading |
| 21:46.11 | peter__b | this fix at least makes me able to enter my sim pin again :-) |
| 21:46.28 | Zorkman | when i press the qwerty button currently nothing happens |
| 21:46.57 | peter__b | the same here |
| 21:47.07 | peter__b | something diasabled the keyboard :-( |
| 21:47.10 | kd8ikt | hey did i tell you guys my phone has an ipv6 addy? |
| 21:47.45 | Zorkman | nno you didn't |
| 21:47.46 | kd8ikt | alphaone: ping6 2001:470:1f11:c7:212:cfff:fe8f:347b <-- my phone |
| 21:48.03 | kd8ikt | wonder howbad the lag is |
| 21:48.06 | Tanuva | kd8ikt: the phone directly on the net? |
| 21:48.10 | kd8ikt | yup |
| 21:48.18 | kd8ikt | well through my router/tunnel |
| 21:48.21 | ezekiel-v3 | isn't fe8f in the self-addressed range? |
| 21:48.22 | Tanuva | nice |
| 21:48.27 | ezekiel-v3 | oh, nice |
| 21:48.41 | kd8ikt | i should install a webserver |
| 21:48.48 | ezekiel-v3 | haha |
| 21:49.07 | alphaone | kd8ikt: 300ms rtt :-) |
| 21:49.11 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: and then post to slashdot .... and see your FR go up in flames :-) |
| 21:49.15 | Tanuva | knows his router is linux-powered, maybe its ipv6 capable.. |
| 21:49.20 | alphaone | kd8ikt: And good, you changed the password :-) |
| 21:49.27 | Tanuva | Rigolo: *g* |
| 21:49.35 | Toaster` | kd8ikt: installweserve... go for it, and I'm sure no one here would think about posting it to /. :) |
| 21:49.36 | kd8ikt | lets see it goes from he.net main routers -> my router/tunnel endpoint over wifi my phone is connected |
| 21:49.48 | Rigolo | Tanuva: what router do you have ... maybe it will run openwrt .. than you have all the control you want |
| 21:49.48 | Toaster` | Rigolo: damnit, beat me to it |
| 21:49.50 | Chox | like the link with the guy running a webserver on a C64 |
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| 21:50.27 | Tanuva | Rigolo: I haven't heard of owrt running on it - its an siemens gigaset se515 |
| 21:50.28 | Rigolo | Chox: what C64 .. he said after 5 mins :-) |
| 21:50.37 | Tanuva | s/an/a/ |
| 21:50.48 | Chox | slashdot post. |
| 21:51.17 | kd8ikt | lol alphaone you didnt try connecting dropbear did you |
| 21:51.24 | alphaone | kd8ikt: Sure I did |
| 21:51.25 | kd8ikt | your a bad panda! |
| 21:51.29 | Chox | you're |
| 21:51.32 | Tanuva | LOL |
| 21:51.35 | alphaone | The authenticity of host '2001:470:1f11:c7:212:cfff:fe8f:347b (2001:470:1f11:c7:212:cfff:fe8f:347b)' can't be established. |
| 21:51.40 | Chox | lots of losers? |
| 21:51.53 | Tanuva | no, laughing out loud :) |
| 21:51.54 | zogs | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install edje-utils |
| 21:51.54 | zogs | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 21:52.23 | ajbrun | hi, can someone explain how i could copy a file from my PC to qemu emulating openmoko? Possibly using scp? |
| 21:52.25 | alphaone | kd8ikt: Well, I would have told you so. |
| 21:52.39 | nomeata | Hi. I heard rumors that the sleep and power-management problems are fixable now, with a certain version of uboot and/or the kernel, but I canât find any details. Does someone here know more? |
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| 21:53.15 | peter__b | sleep is working fine for me |
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| 21:53.30 | peter__b | i just cant make it go to sleep automatically |
| 21:53.51 | nomeata | peter__b: but when it sleeps, it stays asleep (even with GSM enabled) and wakes up reliably? |
| 21:53.53 | Rigolo | Tanuva: it list your router as a WIP .. so who knows :-) |
| 21:54.21 | peter__b | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.30 | peter__b | didnt test that musch ... |
| 21:55.02 | Tanuva | Rigolo: interesting... maybe I'm going to have a look at it :) |
| 21:55.13 | peter__b | but it doesnt go back to sleep if you dont answer the call ... |
| 21:55.16 | Tanuva | argh, present progressive doesn't fit there |
| 21:55.52 | Rigolo | Tanuva: and it seems to be the exact same as the dynalink RTA770W .... and that owrt wiki page was last editted june last year) |
| 21:56.05 | nomeata | peter__b: even with power management set to "Dim and lock"? |
| 21:56.06 | Rigolo | but ... kamikaze has grown a lot since then ... |
| 21:56.08 | lindi- | Rigolo: openwrt does not guarantee full control |
| 21:56.37 | Rigolo | lindi-: well ... as much as you can get from your hardware under linux and "open" drivers |
| 21:56.40 | lindi- | Rigolo: i bought linksys wrt54gl and i can't even use linux 2.6 on it :( |
| 21:57.01 | Rigolo | lindi-: not even with the trunk build of openwrt? |
| 21:57.04 | peter__b | nomeata: im using asu |
| 21:57.20 | nomeata | hmm, ok. |
| 21:57.30 | nomeata | peter__b: did you upgrade uboot since you got your freerunner? |
| 21:57.40 | peter__b | yo |
| 21:57.48 | Rigolo | Tanuva: and if you do not like your wifi ... you can change your wifi card ... it is on a mini PCI bus :-) |
| 21:58.04 | Tanuva | Rigolo: :D |
| 21:58.17 | peter__b | but i didnt test sleep on asu before - so i cant tell if it makes a difference |
| 21:58.25 | Tanuva | wifi's just fine, I'd like some webserver on it... |
| 21:59.38 | peter__b | Tanuva: would be a nice thing to manage contacts, upload files ... |
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| 22:00.24 | Tanuva | peter__b: hm.... nice idea |
| 22:00.25 | peter__b | i can use the webserver on my nokia to dial numbers :-) |
| 22:00.36 | Tanuva | .d |
| 22:00.45 | Rigolo | Tanuva: http://k0.j0t.de/index.php/board,1.0.html complete forum about your router/modem :-) |
| 22:00.49 | lindi- | Rigolo: afaik not |
| 22:01.32 | Rigolo | lindi-: is that because the drivers for the broadcom wifi are not yet "complete" for 2.6? |
| 22:01.56 | Chox | oh dear, still not ;-) |
| 22:02.03 | Chox | openwrt was struggling with this a year ago. |
| 22:02.47 | kd8ikt | still are last i checked |
| 22:02.55 | Rigolo | Chox: they annunced that they will release a 2008.08 release ... but yes .. still with no wifi on a wrt with 2.6 ... 2.4 only |
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| 22:05.04 | lindi- | Rigolo: afaik yes |
| 22:05.27 | lindi- | Rigolo: unfortunately neither wikipedia nor freewrt.org warned me about this before buying the device :( |
| 22:05.58 | Rigolo | lindi-: and why do you need 2.6 ... what does not work on 2.4 that you really need 2.6 for? |
| 22:06.18 | kd8ikt | yea |
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| 22:06.52 | AntonTakk | asu can sleep? how? |
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| 22:07.17 | peter__b | apm -s |
| 22:07.22 | Rigolo | AntonTakk: give it a nice pilow, some blankets and some time .... singing might also help |
| 22:07.23 | kd8ikt | my wrt had a great uptime untill i rebooted it lastnight cause i accidently killed dropbear |
| 22:07.43 | AntonTakk | peter__b: ah, so nothing automatic |
| 22:08.00 | peter__b | if you find something let me know :-) |
| 22:08.02 | lindi- | Rigolo: i have written modules for 2.6 |
| 22:08.11 | lindi- | Rigolo: i'd like to avoid having to port them to 2.4 |
| 22:08.21 | Rigolo | my wrt v1 started to become too slow for my cable internet connection .... so now I moved the router to a via based mini PC |
| 22:08.25 | kd8ikt | /etc/init.d/dropbear restart when i probably should've /etc/init.d/dropbear restart & cause it killed dropbear and killed the rest of the restart script |
| 22:08.31 | Chox | aw |
| 22:08.32 | AntonTakk | peter__b: well, ther's the power menu under the config options of illume, but i'm not sure it works quite right |
| 22:08.39 | lindi- | Rigolo: not to forget FUSE |
| 22:08.43 | Chox | yes, dropbear isn't as good as standard openssh |
| 22:08.58 | Chox | or it might just be setup wrong in OM |
| 22:09.00 | peter__b | AntonTakk: changes nothing for me :-( |
| 22:09.05 | kd8ikt | but hey its super small though! |
| 22:09.11 | Chox | troo. |
| 22:09.22 | peter__b | spend 2h today trying to find something |
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| 22:09.45 | kd8ikt | i've spent like 4hrs trying to get htop to crosscompile for my moko |
| 22:09.46 | AntonTakk | peter__b: could always just make a .desktop file for suspend |
| 22:09.48 | Rigolo | lindi-: okee, I have split the wireless and the router now in 2 pieces ... I'm using my wrt only as a AP now ... no routing etc |
| 22:10.02 | kd8ikt | the configure cant find my curses.h |
| 22:10.14 | peter__b | AntonTakk: already did that :-) |
| 22:10.21 | AntonTakk | it work well? |
| 22:10.43 | peter__b | the problem is when you get a call it doenst go back to sleep |
| 22:10.48 | peter__b | yeah |
| 22:10.52 | lindi- | Rigolo: yeah, my 486 laptop with lucent orinoco pcmcia card can run linux 2.6 |
| 22:10.54 | AntonTakk | share? :) |
| 22:11.06 | peter__b | mom |
| 22:11.08 | kd8ikt | anyother teeny apps that i should try to crosscompile? |
| 22:11.14 | lindi- | Rigolo: and i was hoping to _upgrade_ it :) |
| 22:11.14 | AntonTakk | mom? |
| 22:11.24 | peter__b | one moment :-) |
| 22:11.31 | AntonTakk | ah, sure |
| 22:11.43 | Rigolo | likes those cards .... I have a very old lucent wavelan pcmcia card here .... just for fun |
| 22:13.20 | Rigolo | I jusdt heard today that the wifi in the FR can not be put in AP mode ... so you can not use your FR as your main router |
| 22:13.36 | Toaster` | is there any decent repos for the ASU? it seems very crude compared to OM2008.2 |
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| 22:14.11 | AntonTakk | Toaster`: asu is pre-alpha, it should be crude compaired to 2007.2 |
| 22:14.26 | Toaster` | AntonTakk: fair enough, I just wanted to check |
| 22:14.32 | peter__b | <AntonTakk: http://pastebin.com/d2c52e1c1 |
| 22:14.32 | AntonTakk | Toaster`: otoh, LOTS of qt apps aren't in the default image |
| 22:14.42 | Rigolo | has setup a asus wl-500w with a umts usb modem to be the primairy internet access for a new hardware shop where they forgot to order the landline/dsl :-) |
| 22:15.01 | AntonTakk | Toaster`: opkg list | grep qtopia-phone-x11-* |
| 22:15.13 | AntonTakk | peter__b: thankis :) |
| 22:15.28 | peter__b | havent picked an icon yet |
| 22:16.09 | AntonTakk | i have just been using the diversity-nav icon for generic stuff :) |
| 22:17.23 | peter__b | where are all the icons ? |
| 22:17.33 | peter__b | no /usr/share/icons ? |
| 22:17.35 | AntonTakk | /usr/share/pixmaps, iirc |
| 22:17.53 | peter__b | grrr |
| 22:18.01 | peter__b | could have found that :-) |
| 22:18.09 | AntonTakk | hehe |
| 22:19.28 | peter__b | using the terminal icon noow+ |
| 22:20.11 | peter__b | terminal is useless anyway without keyboard :-( |
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| 22:21.46 | AntonTakk | peter__b: don't you know how to enable the manual kb button in illume's theme? |
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| 22:22.25 | peter__b | is it working for you ? |
| 22:22.31 | AntonTakk | yeah |
| 22:22.38 | AntonTakk | it's easy to do |
| 22:22.43 | peter__b | i only get the qwerty back but no keyboard |
| 22:23.03 | AntonTakk | you have to do two edits to make it work |
| 22:23.17 | peter__b | you mean the stuff like in the wiki pasted somewhere above ? |
| 22:23.25 | peter__b | 2 edits ? |
| 22:23.35 | peter__b | i know the visible_ 1 |
| 22:23.37 | AntonTakk | peter__b: not sure editing the illume theme is covered in the wiki |
| 22:23.59 | Zorkman | which two edits are you referring to AntonTakk |
| 22:24.02 | AntonTakk | peter__b: yeah, the other is the two lines like relative : 1.0 1.0 |
| 22:24.12 | AntonTakk | and relative: 0.0 1.0 |
| 22:24.24 | AntonTakk | one is commented, switch which is commented |
| 22:24.28 | peter__b | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Keyboard_Toggle |
| 22:25.09 | AntonTakk | hrm, i did two, and it worked fine for me |
| 22:25.28 | AntonTakk | i'll be doing it again when I get home in about 60 minutes, will you still be on? |
| 22:26.20 | peter__b | dont think so |
| 22:26.33 | peter__b | it already later than i thaught |
| 22:26.38 | peter__b | freaking phone :-) |
| 22:26.39 | AntonTakk | ok, i'll take notes and ping you next time i see you |
| 22:27.11 | peter__b | why dont you add your stuff to the wiki ? |
| 22:27.16 | Zorkman | AntonTakk: could you take a look at my freerunner.edc? http://pastebin.com/d2f807608 |
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| 22:28.38 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: move the comment from 1576 to 1575 |
| 22:28.40 | AntonTakk | :) |
| 22:28.49 | AntonTakk | line numbers ^^ |
| 22:28.55 | Zorkman | move, not copy, right? |
| 22:29.11 | AntonTakk | right, uncomment 1576 |
| 22:29.18 | AntonTakk | comment 1575 out |
| 22:29.23 | Zorkman | ok |
| 22:29.34 | AntonTakk | be back on in about 60 mins |
| 22:29.39 | AntonTakk | heading home |
| 22:29.39 | peter__b | i will try that in 5 minutes |
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| 22:30.59 | Zorkman | ok i did that but it still wont show the keyboard (only the button) |
| 22:31.04 | Zorkman | i will reboot |
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| 22:32.57 | goldenhawk | I forget who I was talking to earlier about modifying the theme to make the qwerty keyboard appear, but I just tried upgrading and modifying my theme.. and I got the same problem now.. I click qwerty and no keyboard comes up.. but more than than, no keyboard ever comes up now. |
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| 22:33.25 | goldenhawk | Even in contacts where it's supposed to come up automatically. |
| 22:33.25 | goldenhawk | And when writing a text message |
| 22:34.14 | goldenhawk | Before I even make any theme changes. |
| 22:34.15 | peter__b | goldenhawk: i know ahat you are talking about :-( |
| 22:35.19 | Zorkman | I have the same problem :) |
| 22:35.56 | Zorkman | only with the last modification of antontakt i can't even press the querty button, it is being recognizes as a click on the dropdown windows |
| 22:36.10 | goldenhawk | peter__b: I was going to actually try the stuff I put on that wiki page to turn on the keyboard toggle.. but it looks like some unrelated bug currently has the keyboard completely disabled. |
| 22:36.25 | Zorkman | does anybody have a qwerty button that works? if so, could he please upload that illume.edj file somewhere? |
| 22:36.48 | goldenhawk | Zorkman: Hm. I think I left out some stuff you need to uncomment. I'll edit that page. |
| 22:37.09 | kd8ikt | whew mokomake finaly finished |
| 22:37.15 | kd8ikt | devel-image |
| 22:37.25 | kd8ikt | just a tad under 24hrs |
| 22:37.54 | kd8ikt | but i cant find the finished product |
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| 22:38.29 | Zorkman | anyway, thanks everyone for the help |
| 22:38.34 | Zorkman | is going to sleep |
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| 22:40.20 | peter__b | goldenhawk: i think this is not theme related anymore |
| 22:40.39 | peter__b | have you read the thread on the ml ? |
| 22:41.05 | goldenhawk | peter__b: Yes. If I'm not mistaken, the theme just makes it appear |
| 22:41.31 | goldenhawk | peter__b: It doesn't implement the keyboard itself. So if it doesn't work in contacts and in text messaging it's probably not going to work by messing with the theme. |
| 22:41.40 | peter__b | iirc some wrote that the keyboard can be disabled somewhere else |
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| 22:52.22 | goldenhawk | I just took my known good backed up .edj file and tried it on my updated ASU |
| 22:52.25 | goldenhawk | It doesn't work. |
| 22:52.35 | goldenhawk | The keyboard is busted in general.. it's a bug. |
| 22:52.36 | peter__b | :-( |
| 22:53.47 | Yashy | does anyone have the date/time displayed on the main screen(s)? |
| 22:53.49 | goldenhawk | I also did an update to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Keyboard_Toggle .. there are some other things which appear to need to be changed when editing the theme. |
| 22:53.58 | goldenhawk | It won't work right now it seems, because the keyboard is broken in general. |
| 22:54.07 | goldenhawk | But I'm confident it will work after the keyboard is fixed. |
| 22:54.35 | goldenhawk | IMHO |
| 22:55.30 | kd8ikt | alphaone: ping |
| 22:55.35 | alphaone | pong |
| 22:55.37 | alphaone | kd8ikt: |
| 22:55.41 | kd8ikt | damn that was quick |
| 22:55.54 | kd8ikt | hey did ya see my webpage? ipv6! |
| 22:56.02 | kd8ikt | http://we.trekbeyond.org |
| 22:56.37 | kd8ikt | its useless yes |
| 22:57.14 | alphaone | Heh |
| 22:57.22 | alphaone | I sense a <blink> tag |
| 22:57.41 | kd8ikt | it stands out a bit too much eh? |
| 22:57.58 | kd8ikt | i'm just so proud of my ipv6 connectivity |
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| 22:58.03 | alphaone | :-) |
| 22:58.07 | goldenhawk | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1663 <-- Hmm. |
| 22:58.25 | goldenhawk | This ticket seems to be suggesting using a different feed for opkg |
| 22:58.57 | Dave | How are you gentlemen? |
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| 23:14.42 | peter__b | <goldenhawk>: lets see if downloads.openmoko.org will bring my keyboard back :-) |
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| 23:20.18 | peter__b | upgrade running |
| 23:20.26 | goldenhawk | peter__b: Do you understand what they're saying about the different feeds? |
| 23:20.38 | peter__b | i think i do now |
| 23:21.04 | goldenhawk | peter__b: I'm not sure I'm clear on what feed is what.. I just clicked on the download link on the front page of openmoko.org and navigated like snapshots or something to get my image. |
| 23:21.11 | peter__b | looks like there are big differences between the buildhost and the download server |
| 23:22.23 | goldenhawk | peter__b: buildhost is unstable and download server is stable? Is that it? |
| 23:22.35 | peter__b | no |
| 23:22.42 | peter__b | more the other way round |
| 23:23.16 | goldenhawk | Ah! Okay. |
| 23:23.25 | peter__b | looks like something got messed up |
| 23:24.09 | peter__b | look at /etc/opkg |
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| 23:25.40 | peter__b | http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php |
| 23:25.50 | peter__b | im trying these feeds now |
| 23:26.13 | peter__b | still updating |
| 23:26.19 | pjz | anyone know how to read a text message if I'm using the qtopia image? |
| 23:27.39 | goldenhawk | peter__b: Okay I'm trying http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/* now |
| 23:27.47 | goldenhawk | peter__b: Your pastebin url doesn't seem right.. |
| 23:28.27 | peter__b | damn |
| 23:28.32 | peter__b | i messed it up |
| 23:29.24 | goldenhawk | peter__b: What happened? Did you break things? |
| 23:29.38 | peter__b | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.52 | goldenhawk | peter__b: Phew! I feared you were about to say this other feed destroys everything :p |
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| 23:31.51 | peter__b | pastebin says "Sorry, your post tripped our spam filter - let us know if you think this could be improved" |
| 23:32.02 | peter__b | and my x server wont start anymore |
| 23:32.05 | peter__b | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.24 | peter__b | gonna try a reboot |
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| 23:39.19 | richiefrich | does anyone know when the openmoko will get a new supply of phones |
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| 23:52.44 | mmaestri | ...is there anyone here using debian on the fr? |
| 23:55.52 | SirBob1701 | hey all |
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| 23:59.28 | alphaone | mmaestri: I think someone in #neo1973-germany is |
