| 00:00.00 | Chocky | which is busybox based, which came out of Debian |
| 00:00.06 | Psi | yeah but it could be used in future gta products to get 802.11n |
| 00:00.06 | johngay | ArtistX rox!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:00.06 | Chocky | its :p |
| 00:00.29 | ab0oo | that I can tell. but the supported chip list is confusing |
| 00:00.30 | tkep|fail | now, like i was saying, i am well-seasoned with linux. but this is all new territory to me, and is very confusing. so my site is made, with the help of people, to make it easy to understand the usage, updating and setup of the phone |
| 00:00.35 | tkep|fail | but i need a community |
| 00:00.44 | tkep|fail | so if anyone wants to help, i need it from all sides |
| 00:00.47 | Chocky | what site are we talking about? |
| 00:00.47 | ab0oo | what's the site, tkep|fail? |
| 00:00.50 | tkep|fail | ends his spam about the site |
| 00:00.55 | tkep|fail | www.freerunnerhq.com |
| 00:00.59 | tkep|fail | it's still got a few kinks |
| 00:01.07 | tkep|fail | no file uploads yet, the DB is still being hammered on |
| 00:01.15 | Chocky | already abused someone yesterday about having separate stuff on different wikki |
| 00:01.17 | Chocky | -k |
| 00:01.21 | Psi | its really good that some of the latest technology is getting linux drivers |
| 00:01.25 | tkep|fail | but it's a wiki, message board, blog setup |
| 00:01.47 | Chocky | yes, but FR inforamtion is already very confused. Another site/wiki won't help. |
| 00:01.52 | niklauz | i saw that, Chocky was brutal |
| 00:01.58 | tkep|fail | Chocky, see, i want to leave it so that i don't mess with openmoko.org at all |
| 00:02.02 | tkep|fail | and i agree 100% |
| 00:02.09 | Chocky | hazza look. |
| 00:02.28 | tkep|fail | but openmoko.org is, let's face it, based towards devs and really strong power users |
| 00:02.29 | Chocky | nikolajsheller: the guy he tried to help came back earlier, fortunately, and it was sorted, but still |
| 00:02.51 | Chocky | tkep|fail: that's no excuse, IMO. Anyway, I spent a bunch of time yesterday rewriting the networking page to make it reeeeeeeeal easy for noobs. |
| 00:03.09 | tkep|fail | i want to have a site that is facing towards users. easy to understand guides, as well as more aims |
| 00:03.18 | tkep|fail | lemme see |
| 00:03.22 | tkep|fail | i'm just curious |
| 00:03.23 | Chocky | if it's just news, that's one thing. but, no wiki. |
| 00:03.32 | Chocky | definitely not another wiki. |
| 00:03.33 | tkep|fail | because here's the worst thing, imo, about openmoko.org |
| 00:03.41 | tkep|fail | you cannot find anything |
| 00:03.42 | Chocky | it's a toilet? ;p |
| 00:03.47 | Chocky | oh, I know |
| 00:03.48 | tkep|fail | nor can you ask for it easily |
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| 00:04.02 | Chocky | but another site isn't going to help that, not really |
| 00:04.37 | Chocky | if you want this site, here's what I strong suggest. |
| 00:04.52 | tkep|fail | "how to install ASU site:www.openmoko.org" is not very full of finesse |
| 00:04.53 | Chocky | make it news only, more like OSNews or something, allow comments for the stories. |
| 00:04.55 | Chocky | stick to that. |
| 00:05.11 | Chocky | correct, but that'll be fixed soon. |
| 00:05.18 | Chocky | having more information makes it worse, not better |
| 00:05.33 | AntonTakk | or.....people could just work on cleaning up the existing wiki..... |
| 00:05.38 | Chocky | s/news/news+blog/. stuff that's going on, being added, etc. |
| 00:05.42 | tkep|fail | i don't want to get into a pissing match, so forgive me |
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| 00:06.02 | tkep|fail | but here's my view, and if you honestly, think it will get fixed soon, i'll be happy to just close the site altogether |
| 00:06.15 | tkep|fail | i'd want proof, but i have no problem with this |
| 00:06.17 | Chocky | I still think there should be a new site. |
| 00:06.20 | tkep|fail | but here goes: |
| 00:06.26 | tkep|fail | well, i don't want to keep up with news |
| 00:06.37 | Chocky | here's proof: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 00:06.37 | tkep|fail | there's not enough to keep up with atm |
| 00:06.56 | tkep|fail | no, it's not, but i'll read it. however, it is not my point. let me explain |
| 00:07.31 | Chocky | groans at "success stories" on the wiki. |
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| 00:09.28 | tkep|fail | The openmoko.org (om.org) site is very scattered. it is trying to be all things to all people. developers to end users. the terms used are cryptic even to me...and again, i'm not a regular joe, i know linux as an admin. however, this is not always a bad thing. just as developer notes lead to good guides for users, this site would lead to good guides for users, and very easy to find. you wouldn't be bugging devs for better te |
| 00:09.28 | tkep|fail | rms. |
| 00:09.44 | tkep|fail | you know as well as i do that om.org reads like a man page |
| 00:09.56 | Chocky | I'm a Linux expert. it's appauling bad. |
| 00:10.08 | Chocky | if only it was as good as man page. |
| 00:10.25 | tkep|fail | so my point is this: this is a very high level wiki |
| 00:10.32 | tkep|fail | not aimed at half of the stuff openmoko is |
| 00:10.35 | Chocky | hence the rewrite. I'm an experienced technical writer also. But this will take time. |
| 00:11.23 | safiiru | Does anyone know what package I get the gnu assembler in, I'm missing 'as' |
| 00:11.30 | Chocky | binutils |
| 00:11.36 | safiiru | Thanks |
| 00:11.59 | Chocky | But it's not clear what type of content you want. give us some examples. |
| 00:12.11 | tkep|fail | chocky |
| 00:12.13 | tkep|fail | oops |
| 00:12.14 | tkep|fail | sorry |
| 00:12.17 | Chocky | :o |
| 00:12.22 | tkep|fail | Chocky, i really do like your network page |
| 00:12.24 | tkep|fail | much better |
| 00:12.32 | tkep|fail | but i would have a much more concise page |
| 00:12.41 | mmaestri | anyone can point me to a well explained way to make wlan work? |
| 00:12.42 | Chocky | ah, you should have seen it ;-) |
| 00:12.45 | tkep|fail | yours would be chopped up |
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| 00:12.57 | tkep|fail | all the same content, but for different things |
| 00:13.02 | tkep|fail | but an example page would be: |
| 00:13.21 | Chocky | I wish it were more consise, and in fact, for the vast majority of users, just the first bit is required. Unfortunately, it needs to be exhaustive. |
| 00:13.34 | tkep|fail | i agree completely |
| 00:13.39 | tkep|fail | you understand what i want then |
| 00:13.43 | tkep|fail | just differently |
| 00:13.51 | tkep|fail | see, same guide, just chopped |
| 00:14.24 | Chocky | perhaps. What I understand is what needs to be in such documents to make them useful for almost everybody. And that tends to be a lot longer than we'd really prefer. chopping only helps so much. |
| 00:14.25 | tkep|fail | one sec |
| 00:14.51 | Chocky | but at the same time, there's a whole lot of useless crap in the wiki that does no one any good being there. Just random comments from people. |
| 00:14.56 | tkep|fail | sorry, i am getting acall |
| 00:15.05 | tkep|fail | chocky, yes. |
| 00:15.15 | tkep|fail | there isn't a forum for om.org |
| 00:15.21 | tkep|fail | and that is something that is very helpful |
| 00:15.25 | Chocky | there are the mailing lists, but those are pretty grim. |
| 00:15.29 | tkep|fail | quite |
| 00:15.41 | tkep|fail | RH works on mailing lists, and i miss stuff all the time |
| 00:15.47 | Chocky | but I think news stories that people can comment on in a forum manner would be better. |
| 00:15.55 | ab0oo | I think the state of the wiki represents (quite accurately) the splinters caused by 4 "competing" distros |
| 00:16.03 | Chocky | even if it's just tiny "news" stuff. new packages, etc. |
| 00:16.23 | tkep|fail | ab0oo, Chocky--good point, and that's *my* biggest problem right now |
| 00:16.33 | ab0oo | the areas that are common to all (sound, networking, etc) are fairly well fleshed out. The areas that are more distro-specific have more or less content, based on the "popularity" of the distro |
| 00:16.47 | tkep|fail | i want my phone to work currently, but with the 4 distros (more if you include debian et al), i don't know where to start |
| 00:16.48 | Chocky | I don't think anyone has a handle on the complete picture. I am, however, trying. |
| 00:16.49 | ab0oo | there's more data for 2007.2, because it's the default. |
| 00:16.57 | tkep|fail | and om.org doesn't tell anything about it |
| 00:17.12 | Chocky | it does, but it's a bit hidden, and not well explained. |
| 00:17.22 | Chocky | someone did a good article a while back too |
| 00:17.29 | tkep|fail | i want this to be, basically, a site that tells up front "what do you want to do with your freerunner, ok, here's how to do it" |
| 00:17.38 | Chocky | certainly. |
| 00:17.54 | tkep|fail | with a main page like om.org has right now, that won't happen |
| 00:18.19 | tkep|fail | with everything so splintered between users and devs and ancient stuff from early neo1973, that won't happen |
| 00:18.38 | tkep|fail | this is freerunner only, end-user only driven |
| 00:18.41 | tkep|fail | or at least that's my hope |
| 00:18.48 | Chocky | we'll see. there are ways to organize. |
| 00:18.54 | tkep|fail | i think that about says it, so take it how you will |
| 00:19.16 | tkep|fail | eh, it's been stagnate since i have received the phone. i still don't understand why my battery life is so poor |
| 00:19.24 | tkep|fail | i can ask in here, but where is it documented? |
| 00:19.43 | Chocky | perhaps no where, yet. it will be. |
| 00:20.30 | ab0oo | you have poor battery life, too? |
| 00:20.33 | tkep|fail | basically, i am trying to remedy my frustrration with the notion that this phone was supposed to be ready for "mass market" and then it was quietly downgraded to ready for developers |
| 00:20.37 | tkep|fail | ab0oo, terrible |
| 00:20.40 | Chocky | although SpeedEvil has some canned responses for some of this stuff |
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| 00:20.55 | Chocky | in short, the suspend stuff is very much a work in progress. |
| 00:21.19 | tkep|fail | Chocky, that's great to know. now it can be added to my site in 30 seconds, and it will be very visible. |
| 00:21.23 | trix | tkep|fail, as a phone it works. if you step outside the solid 2007.2 distribution you're on your own. otherwise you're completely free to modify it as you like :) |
| 00:21.23 | Chocky | so writing anything down about it, sadly, would quickly go out of date. |
| 00:21.39 | tkep|fail | thus, wiki? |
| 00:21.49 | Chocky | it can be added to the wiki, and be visible, and tie into relevant information and also be obvious. |
| 00:22.14 | Chocky | but I wouldn't personally write about it, since I don't have first hand knowledge of the detalis. |
| 00:22.20 | tkep|fail | trix, of course, thus open source. but i can't even get my updates right atm. so i am working on that |
| 00:22.27 | Chocky | writing down random/incomplete things for users is sometimes worse. |
| 00:22.33 | Chocky | i.e much of the wiki right now :-( |
| 00:22.34 | tkep|fail | Chocky, ok, so how can we do it on om.org? |
| 00:22.56 | mmaestri | sorry to be offtopic, anyone use navit? |
| 00:22.58 | tkep|fail | i don't even know where to start, and what (let's be honest here) will get me flamed for weeks for changing on the site |
| 00:23.02 | mmaestri | with garmin maps? |
| 00:23.05 | trix | tkep|fail, i understand your frustration then. there are good feelings ahead, once you're connected and can get the daily updates :) |
| 00:23.17 | Chocky | you need to talk to some of the devs here during the week and get the complete picture. |
| 00:23.24 | tkep|fail | daily updates would be great :) |
| 00:23.30 | Chocky | yes, they would. |
| 00:23.33 | Chocky | hence "news" |
| 00:23.42 | tkep|fail | lol |
| 00:23.50 | Chocky | one site which listed all the goings on would be fantabulous. |
| 00:23.53 | tkep|fail | ok, so no budging at all from you, no worries |
| 00:24.02 | tkep|fail | well, even so, we can work on that |
| 00:24.16 | tkep|fail | but if that's the case, why can't we add that to the main om.org? |
| 00:24.26 | tkep|fail | here's what i've seen since i've been following this phone |
| 00:24.32 | tkep|fail | i've wanted it since last year |
| 00:24.44 | tkep|fail | i could not wait |
| 00:24.52 | Chocky | perhaps. but there's some merit to a separate site. |
| 00:25.01 | tkep|fail | but half the time, i had no idea exactly what i was wanting |
| 00:25.05 | Chocky | and a wiki isn't the ideal thing for news. wikinews aside :o |
| 00:25.06 | tkep|fail | everything was so scattered |
| 00:25.33 | tkep|fail | eh, tikiwiki can handle about anything. i'm working it pretty hard right now under the hood for some new stuff |
| 00:25.40 | mmaestri | ...navit anyone...? |
| 00:25.43 | Chocky | if you can make it an RSS blog/news thing then that will be more widley read. |
| 00:25.57 | Chocky | and google indexed, etc. |
| 00:25.59 | mmaestri | or a working wlan config? |
| 00:26.56 | Chocky | Anyway, there's about 10 main topics that need comprehensive, and accurate documentatino written for them. USB networking, wlan ;-), GPS, power saving, distros, opkg and feeds, couple of others. |
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| 00:28.01 | tkep|fail | Chocky, maybe this is my problem. i don't want to just dive in and start editing stuff on om.org. not out of the fact that i am too lazy. but i don't know where to begin or what i can touch. what is hands off? i guess that's what the discussion portion is for, and i can handle that. |
| 00:28.16 | tkep|fail | but aside from individual articles, the layout is horrendous |
| 00:28.30 | tkep|fail | i don't know how i could just go in and start editing it |
| 00:28.37 | Chocky | throw around some abuse in here, get feedback. make some alternate pages before you replace the main content. |
| 00:28.53 | tkep|fail | it is broad, ranging from devs to users, that's the issue |
| 00:28.57 | tkep|fail | but i'll leave it at that |
| 00:29.07 | tkep|fail | i want to continue this, but i have family walking in the door |
| 00:29.10 | tkep|fail | time to entertain! |
| 00:29.13 | Chocky | moo! |
| 00:29.17 | tkep|fail | thanks for the time...i'll be back later |
| 00:29.18 | tkep|fail | :) |
| 00:29.59 | tkep|fail | take it easy Chocky ab0oo and the rest of you |
| 00:30.07 | trix | seeya tkep |
| 00:30.12 | tkep|fail | trix too! |
| 00:30.13 | tkep|fail | haha |
| 00:30.13 | ab0oo | seeya, tkep |
| 00:30.26 | hhf423 | hi all |
| 00:30.34 | railer | what is the latest stable 2007.2? |
| 00:30.41 | Chocky | heh |
| 00:30.53 | hhf423 | the resellers in europe are also out of stock? |
| 00:31.05 | ab0oo | I think he brought a murky problem into specific relief, Chocky. |
| 00:31.32 | Chocky | "stable"? |
| 00:31.41 | Chocky | or the wiki? That was hardly a secret. |
| 00:31.46 | hhf423 | railer: try this: http://downloads.openmoko.org/recommended/ |
| 00:32.10 | edistar | why are there no images anymore on buildhost.openmoko.org? |
| 00:32.14 | hhf423 | "Note that the recommended set is not always the latest, but is the most stable, reliable, and functional." |
| 00:32.15 | edistar | any new ones? |
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| 00:32.30 | Chocky | edistar: dunno, you have to go back a few days. |
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| 00:32.34 | edistar | Chocky: okey.. |
| 00:32.42 | railer | the stable is from april? |
| 00:32.44 | Chocky | seems "stable enough" |
| 00:32.44 | edistar | the last ASU image doesn't work for me at all |
| 00:32.57 | Chocky | "doesn't work" :o |
| 00:33.01 | hhf423 | railer: see the reviews here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Snapshot_review |
| 00:33.42 | edistar | Chocky: can't even input my pin |
| 00:34.14 | edistar | that should qualify as "doesn't work" |
| 00:34.15 | safiiru | Chocky: I'm not sure what I'm missing now, but I don't have libc header files, or crt0, do you know how I can install them? |
| 00:34.19 | kd8ikt | ok i think i found where suspend stuff hides |
| 00:34.23 | trix | edistar, /daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/, and then opkg update/upgrade |
| 00:34.23 | kd8ikt | /usr/lib/hal/scripts/ |
| 00:34.32 | railer | thank hhf423 |
| 00:34.38 | edistar | trix: I'll try |
| 00:35.02 | trix | not sure why some of the images stopped showing up in the dailies |
| 00:35.23 | edistar | all of them.. |
| 00:35.47 | edistar | maybe a build error ;) |
| 00:36.15 | trix | yeah possibly, possible also nothing changed so they didn't republish the same files |
| 00:36.25 | trix | a note on there would definitely help though |
| 00:36.42 | edistar | or a symlink. |
| 00:36.51 | trix | yeah |
| 00:36.58 | awesomo4k | what's the best useable build to get |
| 00:36.59 | Chocky | safiiru: dunno for certainly, but there will be a glic-dev or similar. |
| 00:37.14 | Chocky | awesomo4k: IMO, the path from trix above. |
| 00:37.27 | Chocky | or opkg update from any GTK |
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| 00:37.57 | safiiru | Chocky: I see, I've installed all the compiler packages but not the dev portions. |
| 00:37.59 | awesomo4k | just go with the daily builds |
| 00:38.03 | awesomo4k | ? |
| 00:38.21 | edistar | awesomo4k: yeah |
| 00:38.23 | Chocky | awesomo4k: essentially. but opkg update may be more convinient |
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| 00:39.13 | awesomo4k | well i just flashed to Openmoko-celtune-monster |
| 00:39.19 | awesomo4k | to see what that was all about. |
| 00:39.21 | Chocky | sounds bad. |
| 00:39.32 | awesomo4k | boot hangs on "Remounting root filesystem" |
| 00:39.39 | trix | ouch |
| 00:40.29 | awesomo4k | makes me wonder if i'm doing something wrong |
| 00:41.03 | edistar | did opkg update/grade, still can't input any pin |
| 00:41.19 | edistar | do I have to add a specifid repo? |
| 00:41.49 | Chocky | edistar: are you using the ASU mess? |
| 00:41.57 | edistar | Chocky: it's a mess right now, yes |
| 00:42.04 | Chocky | then perhaps. |
| 00:42.11 | Chocky | my recommendation is the GTK stuff right nwo |
| 00:42.36 | Chocky | but there are additional repositories for ASU. somewhere on the mailing list. |
| 00:43.24 | edistar | okey |
| 00:43.36 | awesomo4k | when i loaded asu the icons didn't show up for the apps |
| 00:43.38 | edistar | big mess, isn't it? if even raster does not like illume.. |
| 00:48.06 | safiiru | Chocky: Thanks, I believe things are working correctly, ./configure is running (really slowly) and not complaining anymore. |
| 00:49.11 | safiiru | I am going to attempt to compile ruby1.8.7 :) |
| 00:49.22 | Chocky | hurmph. |
| 00:49.36 | safiiru | Don't like ruby? |
| 00:49.36 | Chocky | didn't want to cross compile? ;p |
| 00:50.06 | safiiru | Well I develop on osx, and I actually thought this would be easier than doing that. |
| 00:50.11 | safiiru | on osx |
| 00:50.17 | Chocky | perhaps. |
| 00:51.10 | safiiru | I did manage to set up a cross compiler for the wii ppc before on here though, so maybe I could, I'll see how this goes. |
| 00:52.36 | safiiru | From the looks of it so far, compiling anything large on the FR is going to take a significant amount of time. |
| 00:52.42 | Chocky | yes |
| 00:54.28 | safiiru | I'll maybe look into how to make in ipkg of this for everyone later on. |
| 00:55.33 | Toaster` | hrm, if I try to get onto my wifi, I `ifdown usb0`, 'ifup eth0', then to go back I do the opposite, but then my keyboard inputs are corrupted. Specifically my "0" is inputed as a "}" and there are a couple other similar cases. Is this common? |
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| 00:55.50 | Chocky | yeah, sounds familiar. |
| 00:56.17 | Toaster` | Chocky: know of a way to reset it? |
| 00:56.22 | Chocky | no. |
| 00:56.51 | kd8ikt | i get that too |
| 00:56.58 | kd8ikt | its a real pain |
| 00:57.18 | kd8ikt | think restarting x does it |
| 00:57.50 | Toaster` | kd8ikt: I'm about 10 sec ahead of you. but thanks |
| 00:58.03 | Toaster` | though x isn't wanting to reset... :( |
| 00:58.28 | kd8ikt | /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart ? |
| 00:58.54 | Toaster` | did that... it dropped to a cli as expected, and wasn't coming back up to a gui |
| 00:59.13 | kd8ikt | alright what'd you breal |
| 00:59.17 | kd8ikt | braek |
| 00:59.45 | Toaster` | break? :) Nothing as far as I can tell... |
| 01:00.12 | kd8ikt | wtf am i the only person with suspend issues |
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| 01:00.18 | Toaster` | though my eth0 wasn't going down, and my usb0 wasn't coming up, so I think there was a background issue somewhere. |
| 01:00.25 | kd8ikt | or is this wiki article i'm reading for the gta01 |
| 01:00.30 | Toaster` | kd8ikt: suspend issues how? |
| 01:00.52 | kd8ikt | wakes up for no apparent reason and the screen is solid white |
| 01:00.58 | safiiru | When my FR comes back from suspend my screen is sometimes all white and I have to reboot/restart x. |
| 01:01.10 | safiiru | kd8ikt, yep |
| 01:01.20 | kd8ikt | other then the screen not properly comming up it seems to work fine |
| 01:01.35 | safiiru | Yeah it's just X I think. |
| 01:02.02 | kd8ikt | like i had it in suspend one night when i passed out, woke up with it in nightlight mode so it def saved battery |
| 01:02.29 | kd8ikt | just image howmuch longer it would last if the display was off |
| 01:02.32 | Toaster` | "nightlight mode" awesome |
| 01:03.15 | safiiru | I have a lot of trouble seeing my screen if it is too sunny outside, I wonder how the iphone fares in that situation.. |
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| 01:03.40 | Toaster` | does the FR keep a local list of contacts? or is it read solely from the SIM? |
| 01:03.44 | kd8ikt | pluss i cant find any way to change the brightness level for good it keeps reverting to some hardcoded crap |
| 01:04.07 | kd8ikt | ~/.evolution (2007.2 OM build jffs) |
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| 01:04.18 | Toaster` | thanks |
| 01:09.06 | ieatlint | wow, i've only just realised just how terrible the glamo is |
| 01:09.13 | edistar | ieatlint: why? |
| 01:09.19 | ieatlint | trying to draw a moving line graph... |
| 01:09.40 | edistar | ieatlint: should be no problem as long as you don't update all the pixels at the same time |
| 01:09.50 | ieatlint | it only works if i set the poll rate to about 5fps and use 1/3rd or less of the screen -- and that's still 100% |
| 01:10.00 | edistar | I get about 40fps when updating 50x50px areas |
| 01:10.22 | ieatlint | yeah, just means i need to actually write something that does it rather than use an existing library |
| 01:10.38 | edistar | yes |
| 01:10.41 | edistar | which toolkit? |
| 01:10.51 | ieatlint | was using a random one i found called rtgraph |
| 01:10.59 | edistar | okey |
| 01:11.07 | edistar | evas is pretty fast. |
| 01:11.27 | ieatlint | on a 1.2ghz system of mine, it uses 3% cpu, as a comparison, hehe |
| 01:11.34 | edistar | heh |
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| 01:11.42 | ieatlint | with 80fps and a ~400x400 pixel box |
| 01:11.45 | edistar | try setting 5 fps ;) |
| 01:12.06 | ieatlint | i did, no go... as i said, 5fps with i use 1/3rd or less |
| 01:12.20 | edistar | strange |
| 01:12.22 | ieatlint | i'll get it working, i'm sure |
| 01:12.39 | edistar | either badly written software or absolutely rubbishy glamo |
| 01:12.52 | ieatlint | i want to build a useless app for my own amusement... line graph that reports the g-force as reported the accelerometer |
| 01:13.15 | edistar | although I found it bareable |
| 01:13.31 | edistar | sounds like good fun |
| 01:14.03 | edistar | *bearable |
| 01:14.18 | ieatlint | bare is more fun |
| 01:14.41 | edistar | hehe |
| 01:19.51 | torindel | ieatlint: note: bus to glamo is only 7MB, do your math -__-; |
| 01:20.21 | ieatlint | screw you and your math |
| 01:20.23 | ieatlint | :P |
| 01:20.49 | Yanroy | I would hope that the 7mb/sec is for commands, not for moving pixels back and forth... |
| 01:20.51 | ieatlint | anyway, yeah, looking at the random module i found to do this, it simply redraws a pixbuf at every poll... which indeed would overload the glamo |
| 01:21.01 | Yanroy | you shouldn't be sending it bitmaps to draw, you should be telling it "draw me a square here" |
| 01:21.26 | ieatlint | maybe i don't like squares |
| 01:21.33 | Yanroy | just an example |
| 01:21.38 | Yanroy | lines should be supported too, I would think |
| 01:21.39 | balrog-k1n | if you do the math 7MB is enough for 12 full screen frames per seconds |
| 01:21.40 | torindel | with normally writen lib you should get 11fps when changing every pixel of the screen |
| 01:21.54 | Yanroy | balrog-k1n: is that assuming you're moving full screen bitmaps? |
| 01:22.01 | torindel | Yanroy: yea |
| 01:22.03 | balrog-k1n | and you only really do full screen for playing videos |
| 01:22.13 | balrog-k1n | or once when starting a new app |
| 01:22.15 | Chocky | and games |
| 01:22.25 | Yanroy | so for simple GUIs and such that are mostly drawing primitive shapes, it should be REALLY fast |
| 01:22.30 | Yanroy | I think it just isn't optimized yet |
| 01:22.35 | balrog-k1n | Chocky: you mostly scroll or something, in games |
| 01:22.42 | balrog-k1n | scrolling is fast |
| 01:22.46 | Chocky | mostly, but not always |
| 01:22.57 | Chocky | it's true that most games only update bits of the screen |
| 01:23.09 | ieatlint | Yanroy, i'm not doing anything low level, i'm drawing images... so between the cpu making these and then drawing them, it won't be too fast |
| 01:23.15 | balrog-k1n | of they do, they're not the type of games that should run on a phone anyway probably |
| 01:23.16 | Yanroy | also, if it has memory for storing images onboard (vram), then you just load it up once and then draw it wherever you want, whenever you want |
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| 01:24.33 | ieatlint | what i need is to indeed do something that draws lines using the glamo's api, which is not a task for me right now... as i'm supposed to be driving somewhere |
| 01:26.26 | Yanroy | does anyone know what's wrong with the touchscreen in landscape mode? is that something that I could go fix with a few minutes of looking at code? :D |
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| 01:27.06 | ieatlint | Yanroy, i can tell you it uses xrandr to change its orientation, if that helps |
| 01:31.32 | Yanroy | hmm... dunno if that helps :P |
| 01:31.42 | Yanroy | I need to get into the code, but I'm trying wifi right now |
| 01:31.55 | Yanroy | I got GPS going earlier, but I couldn't get tangoGPS to talk to gpsd |
| 01:32.03 | Yanroy | just the agpsui thingy |
| 01:32.16 | ieatlint | agpsui doesn't use gpsd |
| 01:32.47 | ieatlint | but agpsui will turn on the gps device, gpsd will only read from it... you need to turn it on yourself |
| 01:33.38 | Yanroy | ieatlint: I turned it on with agpsui (left it running in the background). I also tried turning it on with the power menu |
| 01:33.47 | Yanroy | tangoGPS said "no gps found" or something like that |
| 01:36.11 | balrog-k1n | Yanroy: not really into code, you might need to replace /etc/pointercal with one calibrated for the rotate mode when you rotate |
| 01:36.16 | balrog-k1n | same with qvga |
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| 01:45.36 | Yanroy | balrog-k1n: hmm... you make a good point |
| 01:46.15 | Yanroy | is ttyS3 the right device for gps? gpsd is complaining that it doesn't exist |
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| 01:47.18 | Toaster` | is there a way to easily copy contacts from a SIM to the FR? |
| 01:47.51 | Yanroy | Toaster`: there's a python script for it |
| 01:48.06 | Yanroy | but the latest daily of 2007.2 and ASU both read the contacts from the SIM correctly |
| 01:48.32 | Yanroy | Toaster`: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Sim_Contacts |
| 01:48.37 | Toaster` | That it does, but I'll be getting a new SIM tomorrow... |
| 01:48.48 | Yanroy | I don't know if you can write them back to the SIM again |
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| 01:49.19 | Yanroy | by looking through the python source, it seems that it's fairly straightforward to interface with the GSM modem directly, so you could probably figure out how to write a program to save the contacts back again :) |
| 01:49.58 | MadTBone | /to |
| 01:50.15 | Toaster` | cool. I just may |
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| 01:51.55 | kd8ikt | http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/09/brickhouse.jpg |
| 01:52.06 | Yanroy | is there a log for gpsd that will tell me if/when it has a fix? as someone mentioned, agpsui doesn't use it, so that doesn't help |
| 01:52.27 | Yanroy | kd8ikt: interesting... |
| 01:52.31 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 01:52.45 | kd8ikt | the things one can find searching google |
| 01:52.59 | Yanroy | what, may I ask, were you searching for to find that? |
| 01:53.17 | kd8ikt | unlocked |
| 01:53.26 | kd8ikt | images page 9 |
| 01:53.46 | kd8ikt | amazing searching for images of "unlocked" bring mostly iphones ;) |
| 01:53.56 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 01:54.11 | kd8ikt | cause i'm modifying my neod's lock screen |
| 01:54.39 | Yanroy | kd8ikt: I was hoping to modify that as well... can you let me know what you're doing and how? |
| 01:54.53 | Yanroy | maybe we can even work together on improving it... I'd like to see a clock on it, first and foremost |
| 01:55.03 | Yanroy | I figure that's an easy enough change, if I find the right code |
| 01:55.08 | kd8ikt | howbout i put linux tux/openmoko symbol top(unlock) and MS windows logo/itunes/apple images at bottom (locked) |
| 01:55.25 | Yanroy | lol |
| 01:55.26 | kd8ikt | all you need to do is modify the images in /usr/share/neod... i think |
| 01:55.31 | Yanroy | are you just changing the theme, or the source? |
| 01:55.56 | Yanroy | I want to modify its functionality |
| 01:55.58 | Yanroy | it's annoying as hell right now |
| 01:56.08 | kd8ikt | neod is where one would look |
| 01:56.17 | Yanroy | yeah |
| 01:56.28 | Yanroy | I need to actually go read that "moko development in 5 minutes" blog post I found the other day |
| 01:56.29 | kd8ikt | i'm just moding my pics |
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| 01:58.17 | Yanroy | I want to add the little icons in the top right corner to the lock screen (maybe just the signal strength and battery) so when you're on a call, you know what's going on |
| 01:58.30 | Yanroy | also, a suspend-now button would be nice, or something to prevent screen taps from waking it up |
| 02:00.14 | Yanroy | does anyone know how to submit patches to the base images? fixing the path to the GPS tty would be a good start... no reason that should have a wrong default |
| 02:00.32 | pjz | I want a way to make it so that I have to press a button to wake the scereen once it's gone to sleep |
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| 02:01.05 | pjz | b/c righ tnow if it goes in m pocket the battery gets eaten by the screen and backlight coming on whenever I move |
| 02:01.07 | kd8ikt | thats its current functionality |
| 02:01.20 | kd8ikt | only its not suspending/sleeping |
| 02:03.24 | pjz | oh? |
| 02:03.46 | kd8ikt | you meen screenlock not sleep/suspend |
| 02:03.59 | pjz | yeah |
| 02:04.19 | pjz | or maybe I want sleep/suspent to kick in after screenlock? |
| 02:04.30 | pjz | if it's suspended, will it wake on an incoming call or SMS ? |
| 02:04.38 | kd8ikt | cant wait to get suspend to work |
| 02:04.47 | kd8ikt | yes it will/does |
| 02:08.08 | Toaster` | foolish question. What folder holds the lock screen images? I remember finding something on the wiki ages ago, but I can't seem to find it now |
| 02:08.22 | kd8ikt | i just said it |
| 02:08.26 | kd8ikt | /usr/share/neod |
| 02:09.02 | Toaster` | sorry, was afk. Thanks. |
| 02:11.37 | Yanroy | suspend works already |
| 02:11.49 | Yanroy | my FR suspends after about 2 mins of inactivity... never had a problem on resume |
| 02:11.54 | Yanroy | and it seems to resume on a phone call |
| 02:12.07 | Yanroy | the only trick is getting it to go to sleep if its in my pocket... I keep hitting the screen |
| 02:12.25 | kd8ikt | i think mines broke then cause the white screen always happens |
| 02:12.34 | Yanroy | kd8ikt: latest kernel and rootfs? |
| 02:12.40 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 02:12.43 | Yanroy | hmm... |
| 02:13.06 | kd8ikt | i always get the white screen of death |
| 02:13.40 | Yanroy | I dunno how to help you on that one... unless you can configure it to auto-restart X on resume |
| 02:14.06 | Yanroy | also, on my laptop, I used to have to switch to a different tty before suspending and then switch back after resuming or it would clobber the graphics... could be something similar here |
| 02:14.16 | Yanroy | does this thing even have different ttys? |
| 02:14.37 | Yanroy | thinks tangoGPS is really, really awesome now that he has it working |
| 02:15.09 | kd8ikt | what image are you using? |
| 02:15.18 | kd8ikt | OM2007 or ... |
| 02:15.19 | Yanroy | 2007.2 |
| 02:15.26 | linuxxr | cool |
| 02:15.29 | kd8ikt | huh... |
| 02:15.30 | Yanroy | I couldn't get it to suspend at all with the ASU |
| 02:15.34 | Yanroy | that was one of the reasons I switched back |
| 02:15.44 | linuxxr | make us a quick & dirty how-to |
| 02:15.56 | kd8ikt | tango has always worked for me |
| 02:16.07 | linuxxr | was the wiki correct? |
| 02:16.18 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: Suspend works for me it just won't do any vibrate or sound alerts ever. |
| 02:16.19 | linuxxr | is |
| 02:16.40 | Yanroy | kd8ikt: there are two tricks poorly explained on the wiki: change the path to the GPS device to /dev/ttySAC1, and start gpsd |
| 02:17.29 | Yanroy | linuxxr: about what? |
| 02:18.08 | Yanroy | Centaur5: I'm letting mine go to sleep now, then I'll try to call it. I'm pretty sure I've had it wake up before |
| 02:19.17 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: Mine will wake up I just don't get any alerts about anything. I also fixed the keyboard problem yesterday. |
| 02:20.06 | kd8ikt | keyboard? |
| 02:20.35 | Centaur5 | kd8ikt: keyboard on ASU doesn't work anymore unless you change the repositories. |
| 02:21.12 | Yanroy | but it does work eventaully? |
| 02:21.24 | Yanroy | I installed the matchbox keyboard on ASU and it basically killed the whole thing |
| 02:21.32 | Centaur5 | Yep, I followed some instructions from the mailing list and it worked like a charm. |
| 02:21.40 | Yanroy | is the ASU usable? |
| 02:21.53 | Yanroy | it seemed to have a lot of shortcomings beyond the missing keybooard, but that was what made me switch back :D |
| 02:22.03 | Yanroy | I feel like I have a better chance at contributing if I use 2007.2 |
| 02:22.18 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: I've been using it ever since yesterday. I've had to reboot a couple times when illume froze up and I couldn't see the top half of my screen. |
| 02:22.22 | Yanroy | maybe tonight or tomorrow I'll start to dig into the code. I'm still exploring everything it can do out of the box |
| 02:23.15 | kd8ikt | i did grab a dmesg\/logread before/after suspend when suspend awoke for no reason 5min later with a white screen |
| 02:23.41 | kd8ikt | http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/ |
| 02:24.58 | kd8ikt | what caused the wakeup Jul 26 19:55:58 om-gta02 user.debug kernel: modem wakeup interrupt |
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| 02:25.42 | kd8ikt | gsm modem? i dunno |
| 02:26.59 | Yanroy | yeah, I just got one of those just now... :P |
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| 02:28.31 | kd8ikt | maybe i'll upgrade the kernel yet again |
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| 02:32.58 | asyring | hi could someone help me with a mokomakefile problem? |
| 02:35.42 | Chocky | maybe. |
| 02:36.52 | asyring | ok I want to compile the OM2007.2 image but it fails always by compiling the glibc-2.6.1 |
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| 02:37.04 | Chocky | hm, dunno. |
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| 02:37.28 | asyring | I tried all steps from the mokomakefile wiki page |
| 02:37.38 | asyring | but it doesn't work |
| 02:37.40 | Chocky | ask on developer mailin glist |
| 02:37.50 | Chocky | and more detail there than "doesn't work" |
| 02:38.13 | asyring | should I post the complete output? |
| 02:38.27 | Chocky | enough for the error to be obvious |
| 02:38.33 | Cthobs | Is the ASU supposed to suspemd out of the box? |
| 02:38.43 | asyring | | See `config.log' for more details. |
| 02:38.44 | asyring | | FATAL: oe_runconf failed |
| 02:38.44 | asyring | NOTE: Task failed: /home/alex/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/glibc-2.6.1-r9/temp/log.do_configure.997 |
| 02:38.44 | asyring | NOTE: package glibc-2.6.1-r9: task do_configure: failed |
| 02:38.44 | asyring | ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting |
| 02:38.46 | asyring | NOTE: package glibc-2.6.1: failed |
| 02:38.47 | Chocky | on the list |
| 02:38.48 | asyring | ERROR: Build of /home/alex/moko/openembedded/packages/glibc/glibc_2.6.1.bb do_configure failed |
| 02:38.49 | asyring | ERROR: Task 217 (/home/alex/moko/openembedded/packages/glibc/glibc_2.6.1.bb, do_configure) failed |
| 02:38.50 | Chocky | don't spam here |
| 02:38.51 | asyring | NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 381 tasks of which 381 didn't need to be rerun and 1 failed. |
| 02:38.53 | asyring | ERROR: '/home/alex/moko/openembedded/packages/glibc/glibc_2.6.1.bb' failed |
| 02:38.55 | asyring | make: *** [openmoko-devel-image] Fehler 1 |
| 02:38.57 | Chocky | *facepalm* |
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| 02:41.29 | kd8ikt | pastebin exists for a reason |
| 02:41.45 | kd8ikt | fehler... methinks your german |
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| 03:06.25 | cjb | huh, interesting: |
| 03:06.26 | cjb | git fetch git://www.denx.de/git/u-boot.git/ master failed with signal 127, output: |
| 03:06.26 | cjb | git: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied |
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| 03:17.14 | thewtex | cjb: what distro |
| 03:17.36 | thewtex | cjb: libcrypto is from openssl |
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| 03:39.27 | thewtex | finishes updating the 'Booting from SD' wiki page ... for now |
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| 03:52.33 | ChandleWEi | I exec "dbus-launch gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/ |
| 03:52.33 | ChandleWEi | poky/interface/small_clock true" but nothing happen, I already export dbus |
| 04:04.23 | peepsalot | do opkg updates update the nand uboot? |
| 04:04.30 | peepsalot | upgrades i mean |
| 04:08.36 | peepsalot | is the a big advantage to doing ext3 on microsd? |
| 04:10.08 | kd8ikt | ChandleWEi: did you restart x after the change? |
| 04:10.10 | adsllc | peepsalot: No - the uboot can only be updated with dfu-util at this time. |
| 04:10.26 | ChandleWEi | kd8ikt: yes |
| 04:10.29 | kd8ikt | hm |
| 04:11.42 | adsllc | peepsalot: note a whole lot that I can think of. If you want to share the microsd with another device, just use FAT. If not, use ext3. |
| 04:12.09 | peepsalot | but i'll need to update uboot for ext3, right? |
| 04:12.36 | adsllc | Are you booting from the microsd? |
| 04:12.58 | peepsalot | i would like to |
| 04:13.13 | peepsalot | i just got an 8gb microsd, about to format it |
| 04:13.23 | adsllc | I haven't played with microsd booting, so I can't really say. |
| 04:13.35 | adsllc | I have updated my u-boot with dfu-util and it wasn't a big deal. |
| 04:13.42 | peepsalot | wanted to have a couple extra partitions for trying out qtopia, ASU, FSO, etc. |
| 04:13.57 | adsllc | Just make sure you run the commands from the wiki as root on your host system. |
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| 04:15.33 | adsllc | ext3 has support for symlinks, device files, user/group permissions, etc which are required if you want to use it as a root filesystem, but not very useful for general storage. |
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| 04:18.42 | thewtex | peepsalot: issues with SDHC |
| 04:18.56 | thewtex | peepsalot: at the moment |
| 04:18.57 | niklauz | can i use it w/ my bt headset yet? |
| 04:19.06 | thewtex | peepsalot: probably won't work |
| 04:19.07 | niklauz | to play music? |
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| 04:25.03 | goldenhawk | I have a QT program I use a lot. I read that porting a QT program to qtopia is easy.. does anyone have any advice for me for porting to ASU for my freerunner? |
| 04:25.06 | peepsalot | thewtex, which issues? |
| 04:27.24 | thewtex | peepsalot: I put a link at the top of the 'Booting from SD' page from the thread on the mailing list -- bad stuff about not recognizing partitions, deleting files, deleting MBRs |
| 04:28.38 | peepsalot | what qualifies as sdhc? |
| 04:28.42 | goldenhawk | I figured I'd just make up one of these 'bitbake' files.. or something... I wonder if I will need to patch anything? |
| 04:29.44 | peepsalot | is 1gb sdhc? |
| 04:30.24 | goldenhawk | peepsalot: Pretty sure any size can be SDHC, but over 4GB it's required. |
| 04:30.46 | goldenhawk | peepsalot: It'll say right on the card, generally. |
| 04:30.50 | peepsalot | ok |
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| 04:33.30 | goldenhawk | So uh.. no one has any advice on porting software to my phone? |
| 04:33.36 | goldenhawk | Any links to articles or anything? |
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| 04:34.40 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 04:35.13 | goldenhawk | That works :) |
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| 04:46.11 | ernst | hi |
| 04:46.25 | kd8ikt | ew man has my computer gotten dirty |
| 04:46.32 | kd8ikt | files all over the place |
| 04:46.45 | ernst | i need help for navit |
| 04:48.20 | ernst | Navit want to create /usr/share/navit/maps/osm_bbox_11.347.9,11.7,48.2.bin |
| 04:48.29 | ernst | but he cant |
| 04:48.40 | ernst | then he want load it and its not there |
| 04:49.02 | ernst | ich copy a card to this filename and he read it |
| 04:49.32 | ernst | but when i change the navit.xml he don't read it |
| 04:53.53 | ernst | ok i have the problem |
| 04:54.07 | ernst | in my home was a navit.xml he read it first |
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| 05:29.57 | chackal_sjc | hey guys |
| 05:30.07 | chackal_sjc | how much it coast??? |
| 05:30.11 | chackal_sjc | a brand new one? |
| 05:31.15 | Chocky | !!! |
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| 05:37.15 | peepsalot | how much it coast depends on the coefficient of friction of the surface it is sliding on. |
| 05:37.29 | kd8ikt | lawlz |
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| 05:46.21 | undrwater | are we skipping freerunners? |
| 05:47.38 | araujo | chackal_sjc, I can sell you a new shiny one for 800$ |
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| 05:49.35 | ChandleWEi | how to set fonts order ? if I have two font ttf |
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| 05:50.49 | chackal_sjc | araujo: no thanks |
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| 05:51.46 | chackal_sjc | is openmoko stable??? |
| 05:52.03 | mmaestri | ernst: I was trying to set up navit |
| 05:52.08 | araujo | chackal_sjc, last offer , 750$ |
| 05:52.15 | mmaestri | with garmin maps |
| 05:52.23 | chackal_sjc | araujo: no, I can buy one for 300 |
| 05:53.11 | araujo | chackal_sjc, mine comes with an Alf sticker |
| 05:53.14 | araujo | for free |
| 05:53.30 | Stroller | chackal_sjc: define "stable" |
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| 05:57.08 | mmaestri | anyone has a working wlan config? |
| 05:57.25 | chackal_sjc | araujo: what is that? |
| 05:57.43 | chackal_sjc | Stroller: if it works properly, doesnt have any fatal bugs, etc.. |
| 05:58.20 | ieatlint | i am tired |
| 05:58.43 | Stroller | Openmoko is stable on the Freerunner if you want a only a phone + SMS. Little else is remotely stable. |
| 05:58.51 | araujo | http://farm1.static.flickr.com/140/353205482_9ba1860822.jpg |
| 05:58.55 | araujo | chackal_sjc, ^^ |
| 05:59.58 | chackal_sjc | Stroller: and the Neo 1974? |
| 06:00.10 | Stroller | Less stable. |
| 06:00.13 | chackal_sjc | araujo: ohhh cool!! =) |
| 06:00.20 | araujo | :-] |
| 06:00.44 | chackal_sjc | Stroller: okay, good.. but do you think that they will update the hardware? because the software you can just update it |
| 06:01.09 | Stroller | The Freerunner hardware is stable |
| 06:01.14 | araujo | is actually waiting for next FR shipment batch |
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| 06:01.20 | Stroller | It won't be updated for some time |
| 06:01.42 | araujo | has been told to wait for the gphone though ..... |
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| 06:03.13 | undrwater | what's the best way to search the lists? |
| 06:04.29 | thewtex | undrwater: gmane.org |
| 06:04.39 | mmaestri | proper wlan config anyone? please? |
| 06:05.14 | Stroller | mmaestri: isn't there anything on the wiki? |
| 06:05.37 | mmaestri | i can't make it work properly |
| 06:05.47 | mmaestri | there is a few scripts |
| 06:06.28 | mmaestri | but those didn't worked for me |
| 06:07.24 | mmaestri | Stroller: are you using those scripts to make it work? |
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| 06:07.55 | Stroller | mmaestri: no, I'm not. |
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| 06:09.32 | Stroller | mmaestri: Sorry to be unhelpful, but if no-one is replying to your question, it might be better to ask differently, perhaps referencing those. what happens when they fail? etc |
| 06:10.50 | undrwater | mmaestri: also...explain what you're trying to do... |
| 06:11.01 | mmaestri | Stroller: ok. I'm just asking if someone did actually make wlan work properly |
| 06:11.25 | mmaestri | like using some script to ifup the eth0 interface and get a dhcp lease |
| 06:13.16 | undrwater | anyone know if latest u-boot is booting ext2/3 on SD? |
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| 06:13.30 | undrwater | <---- wlan working |
| 06:15.14 | mmaestri | undrwater: can you point me to some script? |
| 06:15.44 | mmaestri | undrwater: or what steps should I follow to make it work? |
| 06:15.56 | kd8ikt | ah what the crap my phone isnt being detected anymore via usb |
| 06:16.14 | undrwater | mmaestri: are you using wpa_supplicant? |
| 06:16.39 | mmaestri | i'm trying to connect to an open network |
| 06:17.31 | mmaestri | kd8ikt: try ifdown usb0 and ifup usb0, and then re-route it |
| 06:17.41 | undrwater | mmaestri: i haven't tried that yet...only connecting to home network...wep, static IP |
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| 06:25.57 | kd8ikt | i think they sure butchered usb_networking's wiki page |
| 06:26.14 | kd8ikt | no thanks i dont want usbnet everytime i connect the sucker |
| 06:26.28 | kd8ikt | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 is good enough for me |
| 06:29.22 | kd8ikt | i think my usb mouse was messing with it |
| 06:30.05 | *** part/#openmoko Zoup (n=Zoup@78.110.121.1) |
| 06:30.33 | ieatlint | it'll default to that netmask, just so you know |
| 06:30.44 | ieatlint | but i don't see how the usb network wiki page is off |
| 06:30.52 | peepsalot | is a debug board required to falash NOR? |
| 06:31.00 | ieatlint | yes |
| 06:31.33 | peepsalot | is NAND the default for boot from? |
| 06:31.51 | ieatlint | i always confuse the two.. but i think so |
| 06:32.30 | *** part/#openmoko undrwater (n=russell@pool-98-112-95-131.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) |
| 06:32.46 | ieatlint | kd8ikt: https://projects.openmoko.org/scm/?group_id=167 ... changed quite a bit, but it's by far the most "operable" to date |
| 06:33.10 | ieatlint | a few tweaks left here and there, but overall it's decent... doesn't handle errors pretty much at all though |
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| 06:42.22 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4557 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (opkg_cmd.c opkg_remove.c): opkg: fix some memory leak and double free issues. |
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| 06:45.00 | kd8ikt | noshit eh? |
| 06:45.25 | kd8ikt | i thought i saw that in the projects list earlier |
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| 06:45.41 | orzo | hello |
| 06:45.52 | orzo | how do you delete roads from openstreet map? |
| 06:46.12 | kd8ikt | gonna add my icon to the source and make a pkg out of it? |
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| 06:47.23 | Stroller | orzo: don't you have to do that on the openstreetmap site? |
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| 06:48.42 | orzo | i'm on the site |
| 06:48.52 | orzo | or do you mean i have to admin the site and not just be a wiki user |
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| 06:51.20 | orzo | oh well |
| 06:51.27 | orzo | it is way to difficult to edit |
| 06:51.36 | Stroller | It is, isn't it? |
| 06:51.40 | AntonTakk | think of the potential for abuse if anyone who signed up could delete a street |
| 06:51.47 | Stroller | No idea, I'd look on their wiki |
| 06:51.48 | orzo | well |
| 06:52.04 | orzo | its worse abuse to put streets that dont exist |
| 06:53.23 | orzo | at least let people vote for deletions or something |
| 06:54.16 | orzo | my neo shows longitude negated so that my traces are mirror images of what they should be |
| 06:54.18 | peepsalot | apparently that's how a lot of copyrighted map data is watermarked. tiny fake streets are placed on the map |
| 06:54.33 | peepsalot | so they can prove if it's been copied |
| 06:54.46 | orzo | well thats what i see for my area |
| 06:54.51 | orzo | fake streets |
| 06:55.01 | orzo | somebody copied a copyrighted map i guess |
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| 06:55.18 | peepsalot | still could be honest mistake |
| 06:55.49 | AntonTakk | yeahm someone mass-uploads their traces and accidentally gets some from when they were on a bike, or on foot |
| 06:55.50 | orzo | anyway, why do i see my gps coordinates mirrored |
| 06:55.59 | orzo | and i'm also skewed off |
| 06:56.11 | orzo | i would need a linear transformation to correct it |
| 06:56.20 | orzo | this is the gpssight program |
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| 06:56.39 | orzo | hm |
| 06:56.54 | orzo | the fake road is unwalkable or bikable |
| 06:56.54 | AntonTakk | perhaps a bug in gpssight? |
| 06:56.57 | Stroller | /join #openstreetmap |
| 06:57.55 | orzo | they'd have to do some weird stuff to make that trace |
| 06:57.58 | orzo | heh |
| 06:58.29 | orzo | i know because i actually walk that way |
| 06:58.43 | orzo | as a short cut to work |
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| 06:59.12 | orzo | but it requires going through lots of shrubbery and skirting along the edge of a water way while clinging to a chain link fense |
| 06:59.18 | orzo | heh |
| 07:01.43 | programmerq | I first heard about the openstreetmap project when they were brand new. |
| 07:01.43 | programmerq | They had almost no data for the US |
| 07:01.43 | programmerq | ...holy crap they've come a long way... |
| 07:07.30 | orzo | what do people usually use for gps on neo and freerunner |
| 07:07.33 | orzo | tangogps? |
| 07:08.09 | AntonTakk | i prefer tango |
| 07:08.46 | AntonTakk | if only tango could run on the qtopia image :) |
| 07:09.11 | kd8ikt | i like agpsui i like to track the satelites with the azimuth info tab |
| 07:09.14 | ronny | moin |
| 07:09.33 | kd8ikt | but tango gps for mapping and seeing whoelse has a moko near me |
| 07:09.37 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 07:09.40 | kd8ikt | thats soo neat |
| 07:09.40 | AntonTakk | i need to get a real screen protector on my fr |
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| 07:09.54 | ronny | im back to the release firmware, asu is basiclaly not working, and qtopia cant to gps |
| 07:10.05 | AntonTakk | i still have the sheet of plastic that shipped on it :) |
| 07:10.16 | orzo | i havent got a working charger for the neo |
| 07:10.22 | AntonTakk | really? asu works fine for me |
| 07:10.37 | AntonTakk | orzo: usb cable? |
| 07:10.44 | orzo | eh |
| 07:10.46 | kd8ikt | try as hard as you can but you'll never keep in new AntonTakk |
| 07:11.01 | orzo | a usbcable to a unix computer is all i have to charge |
| 07:11.06 | orzo | and thats not always very convenient |
| 07:11.08 | kd8ikt | bets AntonTakk uses condoms aswell |
| 07:11.12 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 07:11.15 | AntonTakk | kd8ikt: that i know, but i'd like to at least keep the screen nice :) |
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| 07:12.28 | AntonTakk | wonder how hard it is to take the front off so I could put on a protector that's slightly larger than the visible area of the screen |
| 07:15.52 | ieatlint | AntonTakk: speedevil sells such protectors methinks, says it's "easy" |
| 07:16.50 | AntonTakk | i already have protectors - come on a large-ish sheet, and you cut to size |
| 07:16.58 | ieatlint | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo_1973 |
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| 07:20.38 | kd8ikt | that the antenna block at the top of the phone? |
| 07:21.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07bitbake-om * r20f7d12003b8 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/cooker.py): cooker.py: Make sure Build Completed events are generated even when tasks fail |
| 07:21.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07bitbake-om * rf44b45430b82 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/parse/parse_py/BBHandler.py): BBHandler.py: Correctly handle '-' characters in class names (#2958) |
| 07:21.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07bitbake-om * rc94600890e29 10/doc/ (bitbake.1 manual/usermanual.xml): manuals: Add missing options documentation (thanks to zecke for noticing and the patch) |
| 07:21.09 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07bitbake-om * r6dc0ebc2fa4b 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/build.py): |
| 07:21.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: build.py: Make sure expandKeys has been called on the data dictonary before |
| 07:21.13 | CIA-46 | openmoko: running tasks fixing various strange issues (from poky). Correctly add a task |
| 07:21.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: override in the form task-TASKNAME which whilst a change in behaviour shouldn't |
| 07:21.17 | CIA-46 | openmoko: matter since the original approach didn't work at all |
| 07:21.19 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07bitbake-om * r7a4fbc796148 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/parse/parse_py/BBHandler.py): Revert the '-' character fix in class names since it breaks things |
| 07:21.22 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07bitbake-om * r078ae356ed5f 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/providers.py): providers.py: When a regexp fails to compile for PACKAGES_DYNAMIC, print a more useful error (#4444) |
| 07:21.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07bitbake-om * r9952a35d0a9d 10/lib/bb/providers.py: providers.py: Fix indentation errors |
| 07:21.30 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07bitbake-om * rea685af08b6b 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Merge commit 'bitbake-1.8' into bitbake-om |
| 07:22.30 | ieatlint | kd8ikt: i'm not making a package until it's more finished, btw |
| 07:22.41 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rpurdie * r20f7d12003b8 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/cooker.py): cooker.py: Make sure Build Completed events are generated even when tasks fail |
| 07:22.42 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rpurdie * rf44b45430b82 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/parse/parse_py/BBHandler.py): BBHandler.py: Correctly handle '-' characters in class names (#2958) |
| 07:22.42 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rpurdie * rc94600890e29 10/doc/ (bitbake.1 manual/usermanual.xml): manuals: Add missing options documentation (thanks to zecke for noticing and the patch) |
| 07:22.43 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rpurdie * r6dc0ebc2fa4b 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/build.py): |
| 07:22.45 | CIA-46 | openmoko: build.py: Make sure expandKeys has been called on the data dictonary before |
| 07:22.47 | CIA-46 | openmoko: running tasks fixing various strange issues (from poky). Correctly add a task |
| 07:22.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: override in the form task-TASKNAME which whilst a change in behaviour shouldn't |
| 07:22.51 | CIA-46 | openmoko: matter since the original approach didn't work at all |
| 07:22.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rpurdie * r7a4fbc796148 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/parse/parse_py/BBHandler.py): Revert the '-' character fix in class names since it breaks things |
| 07:22.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rpurdie * r078ae356ed5f 10/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/providers.py): providers.py: When a regexp fails to compile for PACKAGES_DYNAMIC, print a more useful error (#4444) |
| 07:22.59 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rpurdie * r9952a35d0a9d 10/lib/bb/providers.py: providers.py: Fix indentation errors |
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| 07:24.14 | kd8ikt | hey ieatlint how do you tell wpa_cli to swap essid's/ap's |
| 07:24.40 | kd8ikt | like its conencted to the closest AP but i want it to try to connect to the further one in range |
| 07:25.24 | ieatlint | there are two ways |
| 07:25.46 | ieatlint | first is to start disabling networks until the one you want is wpa_supplicant's choice |
| 07:25.59 | ieatlint | the second is to set that network to a higher priority (which lint-wifi doesn't yet support) |
| 07:26.55 | AntonTakk | anyone using a recent 2007.2 or asu daily? |
| 07:27.54 | kd8ikt | disable? |
| 07:28.01 | kd8ikt | how do i do that |
| 07:28.17 | kd8ikt | isnt using the gui |
| 07:30.22 | ieatlint | in wpa_cli, you do "disable_network nid" |
| 07:30.37 | ieatlint | the network id is an arbitrary number wpa_supplicant gives to each configured ap |
| 07:30.52 | ieatlint | list_networks gives you the network ids.. |
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| 07:36.01 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc822def3506b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin. Change font, size and wording of dialogs |
| 07:36.01 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r293bad1d9da0 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Put mc, gpsd and devmem2 into the feed two |
| 07:36.02 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc1eec19112a7 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: [srcdate] Upgrade EFL to a date/time to really get today's version |
| 07:36.19 | kd8ikt | heh coolness, i just restarted , after i commented out my close ap |
| 07:36.24 | kd8ikt | 2001:470:1f11:c7:212:cfff:fe8f:347b |
| 07:36.29 | kd8ikt | ^--my moko |
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| 07:37.17 | kd8ikt | hey lint does the new version look for lint_wpa in a special dir? or can i put it in any path |
| 07:37.39 | ieatlint | you have the text blocks backwards |
| 07:37.57 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 07:38.04 | ieatlint | it looks for it in /home/root, but it's configured using a variable at the top of lint-wifi.py, so you can put it anywhere if you edit that variable |
| 07:38.40 | kd8ikt | i though priority was delegated from top to bottom and/or priority= |
| 07:39.14 | kd8ikt | is 1 higher then 2? for wpa.conf? |
| 07:40.03 | kd8ikt | i googled endlessly lastnight and couldnt get an answer |
| 07:40.24 | kd8ikt | my google magic must suck |
| 07:40.45 | ieatlint | i've no idea what you mean |
| 07:40.59 | ieatlint | higher priority for an ap in wpa_supplicant helps move it to the top of the list |
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| 07:41.44 | kd8ikt | http://pastebin.com/d2fa8d49c |
| 07:42.09 | kd8ikt | oh so if both had 20 and 30 30would be first in line? |
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| 07:42.55 | ieatlint | yes |
| 07:43.06 | kd8ikt | it suddenly makes sense now |
| 07:43.24 | ieatlint | http://hostap.epitest.fi/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=hostap.git;a=blob_plain;f=wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 07:43.25 | ieatlint | review that |
| 07:44.31 | orzo | my car acts as a wireless bluetooth headset for phones but i don't know how to make it work with the neo |
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| 07:46.50 | Stroller | Fuck me! It must strain your back some walking around with your car on your head, orzo |
| 07:47.08 | orzo | yep |
| 07:47.21 | ieatlint | orzo: if you did know, there would be a lot of excited people |
| 07:47.29 | ieatlint | at present, there is no bluetooth headset support |
| 07:47.48 | orzo | is the protocol secret? |
| 07:47.52 | orzo | heh |
| 07:47.53 | ieatlint | no |
| 07:47.55 | ieatlint | it's open |
| 07:48.13 | orzo | just not implemented eh? |
| 07:48.18 | ieatlint | bluez has alsa support, but for whatever reasons, the bluez binaries supplied with the images do not include the alsa library |
| 07:48.47 | ieatlint | people set up skype on linux to use headsets using bluez with alsa |
| 07:49.19 | ieatlint | so i really don't see why it is so hard to do it on the phone... but alas, i keep putting off fixing my toolchain to cross-compile bluez with alsa support :P |
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| 07:51.10 | AntonTakk | if phone-kit is flaking out cause it has problems with my sim, would it do the same for a non-activated sim it could read? |
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| 07:52.24 | AntonTakk | hrm, seems not :) |
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| 07:57.07 | malik1972 | lpotter: ping |
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| 07:58.13 | railer | hey ieatlint you there? |
| 07:58.28 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 07:58.45 | railer | so how go it, with the app, |
| 07:58.46 | kd8ikt | gesd is neat and all but i'd love something that gave you constant accellerometer output |
| 07:59.02 | ieatlint | http://lint-wifi.projects.openmoko.org |
| 07:59.19 | ieatlint | there's a version in svn there |
| 07:59.30 | ieatlint | has a bunch of fixes and changes |
| 07:59.40 | kd8ikt | ya know? cause gesd only shows output when massive changes occur not just a slight tilt |
| 07:59.56 | ieatlint | what's gesd? |
| 08:00.02 | kd8ikt | gesture daemon |
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| 08:00.42 | kd8ikt | but it does report the numbers you just have to give it a good shake first |
| 08:00.56 | railer | well that's good it looks like it'll be a working project soon |
| 08:01.02 | ieatlint | i'm trying to modify a patch for neverball that exists to use an accelerometer as input (which won't run on the phone, i plan to netcat the data from it to a computer) |
| 08:01.03 | kd8ikt | i was looking for constant data like a mouse |
| 08:01.23 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 08:01.43 | ieatlint | although my current computer doesn't have enough power to play neverball... haha |
| 08:02.08 | ieatlint | anyway, the accelerometers do provide current data, the wiki has info about how to read them |
| 08:02.12 | ieatlint | was pretty simple, actually |
| 08:02.28 | kd8ikt | with a C prog |
| 08:02.37 | railer | lol, yes that happens with some machines |
| 08:02.46 | ieatlint | railer: eeepc, hehe |
| 08:02.52 | railer | oh nice |
| 08:03.19 | railer | I got a ti-99a here if you want to try that |
| 08:03.21 | ieatlint | i use it as a portable workstation too... for instance, i'm on a fullsize keyboard, regular mouse and a 19" lcd in front of me |
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| 08:05.35 | ieatlint | i am going to port lint-wifi to c, btw... |
| 08:05.50 | kd8ikt | sweet |
| 08:05.52 | ieatlint | there are a number of things i want to do for which python fails me |
| 08:06.00 | railer | good that should speed it up |
| 08:06.11 | hari | hmm, can't revive my GTA02 from a deep battery discharge |
| 08:06.11 | ieatlint | and add a major feature |
| 08:06.44 | hari | maybe I'm too stupid.. the wiki (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_Battery_Charger#Neo1973_emergency_charging) only specifies GTA01, the procedure does not work for me |
| 08:06.58 | ieatlint | i can implement the "unsolicited event" api, which is where wpa_supplicant sends messages to a client like "incorrect password" or "i can't see the connected ap anymore" |
| 08:07.23 | kd8ikt | have you tried leaving it connected to charger/usb for 5min or so? |
| 08:07.31 | hari | yeah |
| 08:07.36 | hari | even for hours, and overnight |
| 08:07.42 | kd8ikt | eek |
| 08:07.42 | hari | removed the battery overnight, too |
| 08:07.45 | kd8ikt | thats a bit overkill |
| 08:07.52 | hari | tried usb host and a dumb charger |
| 08:07.57 | ieatlint | hari: do you have any old nokia phones? |
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| 08:08.07 | hari | ieatlint, not with the b5c or b6c |
| 08:08.35 | hari | but maybe my nokia bt gps has a bl-5c |
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| 08:08.54 | ieatlint | worth looking, but i doubt it |
| 08:09.14 | hari | so power up with the nokia battery, plug charger and then swap batteries? |
| 08:13.14 | ieatlint | or charge the FR battery in the nokia |
| 08:13.39 | ieatlint | http://search.gmane.org/?query=&author=linux4u%40bluewin.ch&group=gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community&sort=date&DEFAULTOP=and&xP=Zbatteri&xFILTERS=Gcomp.handhelds.openmoko.community-Alinux4u%40bluewin.ch---A |
| 08:13.49 | ieatlint | there's a 37-post thread on the mailing list about it |
| 08:13.53 | ieatlint | there they all are :P |
| 08:14.23 | AntonTakk | ....very odd |
| 08:14.51 | AntonTakk | just took the never-activated sim from the box of my old phone, and it connects to t-mobile |
| 08:16.26 | ieatlint | hari: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021547.html -- from joerg (who works with openmoko) on the issue |
| 08:16.26 | AntonTakk | will call customer support in the morning to see if they will switch which card is tied to my account if i read them the numbers under the bar code |
| 08:16.44 | hari | ieatlint, ty, will look at that |
| 08:17.56 | ieatlint | basically the best bet is to find someone with a compatible nokia phone, heh |
| 08:18.01 | ieatlint | ask around at work :P |
| 08:18.56 | kd8ikt | hey lint i bet you dont want to hear it but ipv6 would be neat |
| 08:19.24 | ieatlint | when ipv6 support is added by my isps, i'll care |
| 08:19.45 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 08:19.54 | kd8ikt | what you dont tunnel? |
| 08:20.06 | ieatlint | i want to work on some other app a bit too... something fun |
| 08:20.15 | kd8ikt | roger that |
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| 08:21.16 | AntonTakk | ieatlint: add gps support to you app, warwalking++ :) |
| 08:21.43 | ieatlint | nah |
| 08:21.56 | carrar | I always HONK when driving THROUGH tunnels |
| 08:22.04 | ieatlint | it's as bloated as it's going to get, anything else i add will have to be really great functionality |
| 08:22.05 | AntonTakk | eh, it was my civic duty to suggest it :) |
| 08:22.45 | ieatlint | when i port it to gtk, i might add a pseudo-module support system |
| 08:23.12 | ieatlint | allow pages to be added to provide more functions, or to strip down functions |
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| 08:24.38 | kd8ikt | thats a great idea |
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| 08:26.32 | ieatlint | all sorts of ideas run through my head :P |
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| 08:28.32 | kuzgun | to make bitbake recipe for an application which uses WAF build system, which class should I inherit in my recipe? |
| 08:29.28 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:36.44 | torero | is there a way to change the volume other than alsamixer in 2007.2? |
| 08:37.48 | railer | has there been work done on the hollow sound on the phone? or any bluetooth headsets? |
| 08:41.24 | railer | where'd everyone go? |
| 08:41.52 | ieatlint | i'm still here |
| 08:42.13 | torero | me too, just people without the answers :) |
| 08:42.36 | railer | what do you do again in RL? lint, mine ifi just call you lint? |
| 08:43.36 | ieatlint | lint is my shortened nickname, so nope :) |
| 08:43.41 | railer | I'm sleepy almost 3 am |
| 08:43.42 | ieatlint | i am gloriously unemployed |
| 08:43.53 | railer | do you know java? |
| 08:43.58 | ieatlint | nope |
| 08:44.08 | railer | or access 2007? |
| 08:44.14 | ieatlint | nope |
| 08:44.19 | railer | php? |
| 08:44.19 | kd8ikt | i need to brush up on some programming languages and make a few apps for my "resume" |
| 08:44.23 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 08:44.39 | ieatlint | i could probably learn java quickly if i wanted to... a week ago i didn't know any gtk or python |
| 08:44.47 | ieatlint | and i know c++... |
| 08:44.51 | railer | shitty one I already got some one for that job |
| 08:45.02 | railer | I got nothing for c++ |
| 08:45.08 | ieatlint | eh, i need to find a local job |
| 08:45.17 | kd8ikt | cause i think results and real world applicantions are 100x better then those lame scumsoft certifications they have |
| 08:45.30 | ieatlint | i plan on whoring myself out when i volunteer in the openmoko booth at linuxworld |
| 08:45.34 | kd8ikt | for fucks sake they have a MS certifacate for excel for christ sake |
| 08:45.41 | kd8ikt | how lame is that |
| 08:45.53 | railer | I taught that once :) |
| 08:45.55 | ieatlint | i got a certification, didn't do dick-all for me |
| 08:46.24 | railer | it's not lame if your the guys getting $50 an hour to teach it :) |
| 08:46.27 | kd8ikt | replace that cert on your resume with lint-wifi |
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| 08:46.58 | ieatlint | it never went on the wall :P |
| 08:47.07 | railer | THat's where the moneys is in teaching tech |
| 08:47.14 | railer | and certificates |
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| 08:48.01 | kd8ikt | has a certificate for anger management |
| 08:48.06 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 08:48.36 | railer | got lots of certs, now I need my MBA :P |
| 08:50.50 | kd8ikt | man i really wished suspend worked for me |
| 08:51.30 | ieatlint | i need to order business cards |
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| 08:52.22 | ieatlint | what's a good thing to put on a business card for someone trying to make contacts but is unemployed? :P |
| 08:52.22 | ieatlint | "computer consultant" ? hehe |
| 08:52.22 | railer | can I make a suggestion on that? |
| 08:52.22 | kd8ikt | not that i really need it cause i'm always next to my computer but i hate knowing something isnt working right |
| 08:52.28 | ieatlint | railer: if you're asking me, of course |
| 08:52.49 | kd8ikt | its eating at me even my friends look at me lijke "are you pissed or something whats wrong?" "suspend isnt working!" |
| 08:52.58 | kd8ikt | heh |
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| 08:53.17 | railer | black bold lettering, one font, good quality card stock, very professional, |
| 08:53.34 | ieatlint | how about white on black instead? |
| 08:53.47 | kd8ikt | gold |
| 08:53.58 | railer | Oh and on mind because I deal with techs, I have Home Address:127.0.0.1 |
| 08:54.14 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 08:54.17 | ieatlint | bah, too cheesy |
| 08:54.21 | ieatlint | make it more complicated |
| 08:54.23 | kd8ikt | nah i'd put ::1 |
| 08:54.32 | kd8ikt | ipv6 ftw |
| 08:54.42 | ieatlint | home address: 127.31.33.7 |
| 08:54.56 | railer | no no no, white stock, black solid letters, good quality, it a profession, you are not mowing lawns |
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| 08:55.18 | ieatlint | and for text... for someone looking for a real job? |
| 08:55.26 | kd8ikt | can the font look pixelated |
| 08:55.30 | railer | Look at how lawyers do their cards |
| 08:55.51 | kd8ikt | lawyers suck |
| 08:55.56 | kd8ikt | your a hacker |
| 08:56.00 | ieatlint | well i'm certainly not looking to put graphics on it |
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| 08:56.07 | ieatlint | i dunno, i kinda like the white on black |
| 08:56.08 | kd8ikt | get a transparent card |
| 08:56.16 | ieatlint | somehow seems more fitting to a geek :P |
| 08:56.25 | ieatlint | not like i stare at a black on white console |
| 08:56.33 | MarcOChapeau | good morning every one |
| 08:56.53 | railer | if you are looking for 9 to 4 getting hired by an IT company or getting hired by companies to build programs on a contract basis? |
| 08:57.03 | ieatlint | 9-4 |
| 08:57.20 | MarcOChapeau | is there any chance to find someone here who would be able to to something about the SVN servers at projects.openmoko.org that have been down for *2 days* ? |
| 08:57.24 | railer | fuck the cards then, just do a resume, |
| 08:57.25 | kd8ikt | opts for something like this http://www.plasticprinters.com/clearplasticcards/ |
| 08:57.43 | ieatlint | if i hand out resumes at a conference, they'll end up in the trash |
| 08:57.52 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 08:57.53 | railer | true |
| 08:57.55 | kd8ikt | amen |
| 08:58.28 | ieatlint | $5 gets me 100 business cards, so worst that happens is i'm out $5 and the environment be damned |
| 08:58.51 | railer | white card, black letters NAME, EMAIL, PHONE, IT Professional |
| 08:59.03 | ieatlint | hmmm |
| 08:59.15 | kd8ikt | heh i met this one guy he want me to hack his girlfriends yahoo/myspace acount , he gave me his card but i'm not going to contact him, he got the wrong idea when i said "hacker" |
| 08:59.17 | railer | lots of white space, and very professional |
| 08:59.18 | ieatlint | well, i will think about it all... same day pickup stuffs, so we'll see |
| 08:59.35 | ieatlint | kd8ikt: not to mention, that's creepy |
| 08:59.50 | kd8ikt | has myspace/yahoo blocked with iptables |
| 09:00.17 | kd8ikt | but i more or less told him how he could do it himself |
| 09:00.26 | kd8ikt | i dont want to be a part of it |
| 09:00.32 | ieatlint | just run your own dns server and give out different ips for it |
| 09:01.04 | railer | http://research.microsoft.com/~awilson/business%20card%202.jpg |
| 09:01.09 | kd8ikt | like one of the easiest ways is to have a keylogger and let the person login on your machine |
| 09:01.30 | kd8ikt | those myspace cant go near a machine without logging in |
| 09:02.00 | kd8ikt | i'd throw that away railer |
| 09:02.18 | kd8ikt | nothing special about it/methinks nothing special about the person |
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| 09:02.55 | kd8ikt | the fact that it has MS on it actually is -10 points |
| 09:03.16 | railer | http://www.futo.co.yu/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/idea-for-a-business-card-for-a-web-developer-big.jpg |
| 09:03.38 | kd8ikt | lol back has code on it |
| 09:03.41 | ieatlint | this is also a perfect use for my grand central account |
| 09:04.03 | ieatlint | html... bleh |
| 09:04.15 | kd8ikt | is that the source to the front |
| 09:04.16 | railer | point is white card black lettering, |
| 09:04.38 | kd8ikt | awe dude i want a grand central account |
| 09:04.49 | kd8ikt | have they oppened up registration yet |
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| 09:05.19 | ieatlint | you're just not cool enough, it would seem |
| 09:05.46 | railer | what's a grand central account? |
| 09:06.22 | ieatlint | it's like a phone portal |
| 09:06.52 | railer | like asterix? |
| 09:07.10 | ieatlint | yeah, but entirely user-friendly and run by google |
| 09:07.45 | railer | oh not like asterix :) |
| 09:07.52 | ieatlint | hah |
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| 09:12.25 | railer | it does look cool, shame only in the US |
| 09:12.57 | ieatlint | you a canuck then? |
| 09:13.40 | railer | very |
| 09:13.45 | doc|home | pfff,t transitional? boooo |
| 09:14.03 | railer | 15 generations, came over 1650 |
| 09:14.22 | ieatlint | which province? |
| 09:15.19 | railer | Alberta |
| 09:15.27 | railer | The rich one |
| 09:15.43 | ieatlint | hah |
| 09:15.53 | doc|home | ... in the middle, with no water and nothing to do :) |
| 09:15.56 | ieatlint | one of the ones i've heard of and can spell! |
| 09:16.08 | ieatlint | ... and can locate on a map :P |
| 09:16.11 | railer | WHere are you? |
| 09:16.21 | ieatlint | san francisco |
| 09:16.44 | kd8ikt | tangogps |
| 09:16.48 | railer | San Fran?? HOw come you're only one at 3 am! |
| 09:17.09 | ieatlint | what do you mean only one? |
| 09:17.13 | kd8ikt | <-- 5:20am |
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| 09:17.19 | railer | on not one |
| 09:17.24 | Kronk | Hey guys :) |
| 09:17.38 | railer | 3:17 am I got to go to bed ..... |
| 09:17.43 | ieatlint | oh, because i have issues with sleeping normal hours |
| 09:17.55 | ieatlint | i have a soccer game i'm going to tomorrow though |
| 09:18.01 | railer | java shopping cart can wait till tommorow |
| 09:18.03 | ieatlint | have to get up before noon |
| 09:18.09 | Kronk | Trying to trackdown someone in the know. Wanting to purchase 900 MHz versions of Free Runner from the Open Moko store ! |
| 09:19.27 | railer | Kronk just have o wait |
| 09:19.32 | railer | to |
| 09:19.47 | ieatlint | have to catch a bus at 11:15am tomorrow... how sad |
| 09:20.23 | railer | that you has to catch a bus, yes that sad |
| 09:20.39 | ieatlint | heh |
| 09:20.41 | ieatlint | i own a car |
| 09:20.54 | ieatlint | bus is easier than paying for parking at a sports venue and all |
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| 09:20.57 | railer | team bus? |
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| 09:21.03 | ieatlint | city |
| 09:21.05 | railer | ok I guess so |
| 09:21.30 | railer | but that's what forged handicap stickers are for! |
| 09:21.48 | ieatlint | hey, if only... |
| 09:22.09 | ieatlint | parking meters are free too with a handicap placard |
| 09:22.46 | railer | ok well I'm off to bed, fake a placard and buy a cane, your gold |
| 09:22.53 | ieatlint | hah |
| 09:22.55 | ieatlint | ok, cya |
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| 09:23.20 | Sjano | hello |
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| 09:29.12 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Display_Locker |
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| 09:29.22 | kd8ikt | i just put the blue one on mine i like it |
| 09:29.45 | kd8ikt | modified it a bit though |
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| 09:31.00 | kd8ikt | to say " GTAO2 Neo Freerunner" |
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| 09:31.43 | Foss1 | i want a clock on my display locker :\ |
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| 09:32.29 | kd8ikt | hack neod |
| 09:32.58 | Foss1 | no time :\ |
| 09:33.05 | Sjano | hehe |
| 09:33.20 | fragged | Mhm, are there any ways that a mobile phone provider could detect that your running your SIM through an OpenMoko? |
| 09:33.29 | fragged | well an OpenMoko based phone I guess |
| 09:33.39 | ieatlint | fragged: yes |
| 09:33.50 | ieatlint | the imei blocks are like mac addresses |
| 09:34.05 | kd8ikt | prolly screws with their system ;) |
| 09:34.11 | ieatlint | no, it won't |
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| 09:34.40 | kd8ikt | how do i get my imei? |
| 09:34.41 | fragged | ieatlint, may I message you privately? |
| 09:34.42 | ieatlint | i mean, tmobile.com for instance every time i log in goes "we can't tell what phone you have, please select from this list" |
| 09:34.56 | ieatlint | has since i switched from one of their phones |
| 09:34.58 | ieatlint | fragged: yes |
| 09:34.59 | kd8ikt | wow thats gay |
| 09:35.03 | ieatlint | (as in, that's ok) |
| 09:35.12 | Foss1 | ieatlint: so, what did you select? |
| 09:35.15 | Foss1 | 'other'? |
| 09:35.29 | ieatlint | not sure there is an other |
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| 09:35.42 | ieatlint | i pick the nokia 6600 out of habit |
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| 09:36.10 | ieatlint | basically, i need to pick a phone that supports real data (not just wap) or it won't allow me to configure my data settings |
| 09:36.32 | Sjano | can't you configure that manually? |
| 09:37.47 | kd8ikt | doesnt tmobile have that wifi phone that can make free calls from wifi AP's |
| 09:38.08 | ieatlint | kd8ikt: they have it set so only APs they approve support it |
| 09:38.10 | ieatlint | but yes |
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| 09:38.22 | kd8ikt | awe thats lamde |
| 09:38.35 | ieatlint | (basically, they give you an AP when you get the service, and then all tmobile hotspots act as APs you can use too) |
| 09:38.45 | kd8ikt | good thing i got a moko so we can play with voip stuff |
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| 09:39.03 | ieatlint | it also employs some special ieee standard that allows handing calls off between WAPs and cell towers |
| 09:39.27 | kd8ikt | like mokoaix |
| 09:39.43 | kd8ikt | be nice to have a skype client awsell |
| 09:39.53 | ieatlint | i hope grandcentral releases an api for developers |
| 09:39.55 | ieatlint | that would rule |
| 09:40.07 | ieatlint | seamless integration with a mobile phone |
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| 09:44.26 | kd8ikt | alright i think its time for bed |
| 09:44.46 | ieatlint | goodnight |
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| 09:46.56 | kd8ikt | night |
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| 10:01.07 | Sjano | I've been watching the the new mobile cpu's from Intel (atom) and Nvidia (tegra). do you think the next version of freerunner might get something like that? like low powered, cpu's. since then the batteries would last alot longer and so on. probably... since they only use like 0,5 to 3W on mobile devices. |
| 10:01.42 | SpeedEvil | Which is extremely high. |
| 10:01.56 | SpeedEvil | the 0.5W does not count memory or chipset usage. |
| 10:02.18 | SpeedEvil | And not soon if it happens. |
| 10:02.31 | SpeedEvil | 0.5-3W I mean |
| 10:03.22 | leinir | They have a very good marketing division ;) |
| 10:03.25 | alphaone | We can run and charge Neo with 2.5W of power (USB 5V, 500mA) |
| 10:03.49 | alphaone | And that's with screen, doing work, having GPS and GSM powered |
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| 10:05.24 | doc|home | yeah, the atoms, even in comparison to kinda sucky via, suck a lot of power, the new nvidia chips are supposed to be much more efficient but it's unlikely they'll be open |
| 10:06.24 | alphaone | Well, nvidia recently stated that they are not interested in open drivers |
| 10:06.34 | doc|home | how nice of them |
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| 10:06.56 | doc|home | thinks his next video card might well be an ati |
| 10:07.10 | alphaone | Mine will be for sure |
| 10:07.14 | ieatlint | ati is worse methinks |
| 10:07.19 | alphaone | At least wont be nvidia |
| 10:07.24 | doc|home | ieatlint: no, they started opening up stuff |
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| 10:07.32 | doc|home | their own drivers suck all right |
| 10:07.32 | alphaone | ieatlint: Not since they were bought by AMD |
| 10:07.32 | ieatlint | oooh, that'S new then |
| 10:07.40 | doc|home | ieatlint: yeah, they released microcode recently |
| 10:07.46 | rtm | Will the android project produce open drivers? |
| 10:07.52 | doc|home | rtm: no |
| 10:07.54 | ieatlint | i got screwed by nvidia, but not as badly as i did back in the day with ati |
| 10:07.55 | alphaone | no |
| 10:08.03 | rtm | Zut! |
| 10:08.07 | doc|home | ieatlint: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_microcode&num=1 |
| 10:08.13 | ieatlint | bought a new nvidia 9600 back in march |
| 10:08.22 | ieatlint | only ... the nvidia drivers don't support it in linux |
| 10:08.30 | ieatlint | you have to use very crappy beta drivers |
| 10:08.37 | doc|home | ugh |
| 10:08.39 | ieatlint | with 2d performance that would make you cry ... |
| 10:08.40 | doc|home | night |
| 10:08.50 | ieatlint | takes like 2 seconds to render a full screen |
| 10:08.53 | ieatlint | goodnight |
| 10:09.07 | Sjano | AMD seems to also have plans for a low powered mobile cpu, and they seems to be kind to opensource developers (since they even contributes on opensuse and such) |
| 10:09.23 | ieatlint | the new trend is definitely mobility |
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| 10:09.29 | Sjano | maybe they'll come up with something :P |
| 10:09.46 | ieatlint | people finally released that as long as they aren't playing games, editing video, etc ... sub-1ghz machines can do a lot |
| 10:09.50 | Sjano | g'nite doc|home |
| 10:09.51 | ieatlint | blah |
| 10:09.54 | ieatlint | finally realised |
| 10:10.06 | Fossi | well, you can play games |
| 10:10.06 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: even games |
| 10:10.16 | ieatlint | depends on the game, and the graphics card |
| 10:10.19 | Fossi | it's just the gaming industrie that's fucked up ;) |
| 10:10.23 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: I'm pretty sure there were games on 500MHz machines. |
| 10:10.27 | Sjano | Dos games :D |
| 10:10.32 | ieatlint | i said, depends on the game |
| 10:10.40 | SpeedEvil | Especially at 640*480 |
| 10:10.41 | ieatlint | hehe, yeah, someone needs to port the orgeon trail to the neo |
| 10:11.00 | Fossi | reminds me that i wanted to try to install some things on scumm |
| 10:11.06 | SpeedEvil | It should be plenty fast enough to run a dos emulator at 4.77MHz |
| 10:11.13 | ieatlint | lol |
| 10:11.15 | Ainulindale | Marf :-) |
| 10:11.15 | Fossi | just need to find those floppies and a reader ;) |
| 10:11.23 | Sjano | hehe, and maybe one of those projector keyboards (if that research have gotten any futher ) |
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| 10:11.43 | ieatlint | Sjano: yeah, of course it supports those, the hardware on those are in the devices |
| 10:11.49 | SpeedEvil | Sjano: projector keyboards work fine. It's just they sort of lack any tactile response. |
| 10:12.31 | ieatlint | yeah, someone should figure that out... doctors being the most obvious market for them |
| 10:13.00 | ieatlint | next time you see your doctor use his keyboard, think about how much bacteria must be in it :P |
| 10:13.01 | Sjano | yeah, i remember you couldn't write too fast on them :P but still pretty fun |
| 10:13.37 | anasazi | argl |
| 10:13.37 | Sjano | that's why people invented soap... ieatlint |
| 10:13.41 | anasazi | and hi |
| 10:13.55 | Sjano | hello |
| 10:14.04 | Sjano | and argl to you too |
| 10:14.16 | anasazi | I just did a opkg update && opkg upgrade (2007.02) and now after startup I don't get the desktop |
| 10:14.32 | Fossi | anasazi: same here |
| 10:14.42 | anasazi | nice |
| 10:14.45 | Fossi | didn't care so far though ;D |
| 10:14.50 | anasazi | I can remotely start applications |
| 10:15.10 | anasazi | but if I am not the only one, its ok... they will probably fix it sooner or later ;-) |
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| 10:16.40 | Fossi | anasazi: well, i also installed a shitload of things and tinkered a lot |
| 10:16.59 | Fossi | so it might not only be caused by the update |
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| 10:17.15 | ieatlint | heh, i ran update && upgrade right before you said that |
| 10:17.18 | ieatlint | (like 2min before |
| 10:17.24 | ieatlint | rebooting now... we shall see |
| 10:17.58 | ieatlint | gui came up |
| 10:18.05 | Fossi | well, i have that problem since yesterday |
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| 10:18.12 | anasazi | mmmh |
| 10:18.15 | Fossi | but as said, i don't really care ;) |
| 10:18.19 | ieatlint | well, i have an sms issue |
| 10:18.23 | anasazi | me too |
| 10:18.26 | anasazi | I cant read sms |
| 10:18.26 | Fossi | day before yesterday actually |
| 10:18.30 | anasazi | that I had since yesterday |
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| 10:18.45 | ieatlint | you try and load the sms app and it flashes for a half a second and closes? |
| 10:18.50 | anasazi | y |
| 10:18.53 | anasazi | exactly |
| 10:18.58 | ieatlint | yeah, annoying as hell |
| 10:19.26 | ieatlint | if you run it in a terminal, you see the error |
| 10:19.37 | anasazi | ah... which is? |
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| 10:19.53 | ieatlint | (openmoko-messages:1406): GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon: |
| 10:19.53 | ieatlint | dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch requested, but X11 support not compiled in. |
| 10:19.54 | ieatlint | Cannot continue. |
| 10:19.54 | ieatlint | GConf Error: No D-BUS daemon running |
| 10:20.03 | anasazi | mkay |
| 10:20.08 | anasazi | ah I just shot my X |
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| 10:21.15 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: ssh or terminal ? |
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| 10:21.20 | ieatlint | ssh |
| 10:21.27 | Ainulindale | So it's not the error, it's normal |
| 10:21.28 | Guilt | :-D |
| 10:21.32 | Ainulindale | Export your dbus sessioin first |
| 10:21.35 | ieatlint | ah |
| 10:21.41 | ieatlint | i know not how to do that |
| 10:21.43 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: ps auxw |
| 10:21.45 | Guilt | anybody having trouble with ar6000? |
| 10:21.46 | Ainulindale | grep today |
| 10:21.52 | Ainulindale | check the /proc/pid/environ |
| 10:21.59 | Ainulindale | and export DBUS_SESSION |
| 10:22.21 | ieatlint | there is no /proc/pid/environ |
| 10:22.25 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: the pid of today |
| 10:22.26 | torero | i dreamed i could control the volume in the media player, it has been a rough morning :( |
| 10:22.31 | Ainulindale | (openmoko-today) |
| 10:22.35 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 10:22.36 | ieatlint | ok |
| 10:22.43 | ieatlint | being stupid, hehe |
| 10:22.43 | Ainulindale | or any graphical OM application by the way |
| 10:23.55 | ieatlint | seg fault now |
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| 10:24.28 | ieatlint | after a number of gtk warnings about locale and "gtk_widget_size_allocate" getting invalid data |
| 10:27.24 | Ainulindale | Weird, I updated recently and I don't have this problem. |
| 10:28.36 | ieatlint | openmoko-messages2 - 0.1.0+svnr4340-r1 |
| 10:30.10 | Ainulindale | And gtk ? |
| 10:30.43 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r953712d5cc0d 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] s/log.info/log.debug/ for channel init |
| 10:30.55 | ieatlint | what's the package that's odd |
| 10:31.39 | ieatlint | "opkg status gtk+" reports nothing |
| 10:32.02 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: opkg list_installed | grep gtk |
| 10:32.15 | Ainulindale | You should have gtk+-fastscaling |
| 10:32.22 | ieatlint | ah, ok |
| 10:32.27 | ieatlint | 2.10.14-r2 |
| 10:32.33 | ieatlint | heh, that explains a lot |
| 10:32.49 | Fossi | oh. list_installed |
| 10:32.51 | Ainulindale | Does it ? |
| 10:32.53 | Fossi | i never use that |
| 10:33.03 | ieatlint | as to why "gtk+" isn't shown to be installed |
| 10:33.09 | ieatlint | but is listed in "opkg list" |
| 10:33.23 | Ainulindale | That's because gtk+-fastscaling provides gtk+ |
| 10:33.38 | ieatlint | hence, it explains it :) |
| 10:34.00 | Ainulindale | But I think I have the same rev here |
| 10:34.13 | Ainulindale | I'm too lazy to go and fetch my freerunner to check |
| 10:34.35 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: which feeds do you use ? |
| 10:34.36 | ieatlint | well, i'm happy to run any tests you'd like... or give you ssh access to it if so inclined |
| 10:34.41 | ieatlint | default ones |
| 10:34.54 | Ainulindale | Ok well, I'll check then |
| 10:35.00 | Ainulindale | You're making me stand up |
| 10:35.04 | Ainulindale | I hope you're sad |
| 10:35.05 | ieatlint | lol |
| 10:35.07 | ieatlint | i am |
| 10:35.09 | ieatlint | i've been there |
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| 10:35.26 | ieatlint | make it a useful trip and get a beer while you're up |
| 10:35.44 | anasazi | ah another update |
| 10:35.49 | Ainulindale | It's 12:35 here |
| 10:36.01 | Ainulindale | I didn't eat yet so I'll wait for the beer |
| 10:36.09 | ieatlint | clearly you fail at being an alcoholic |
| 10:36.21 | Ainulindale | clearly :-) |
| 10:36.23 | ieatlint | i can give you ssh to my phone if it would aid you |
| 10:36.39 | Ainulindale | I don't think it will be of use |
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| 10:37.46 | Ainulindale | Same two versions here ieatlint |
| 10:38.19 | Ainulindale | Did you do something specific other than opkg upgrade ? |
| 10:38.20 | ieatlint | weird |
| 10:38.41 | ieatlint | uhm, i think the only other thing i've done is install pygtk |
| 10:39.01 | ieatlint | oh, and the keyboard applet for showing/hiding the keyboard, and the fullsize keyboard |
| 10:39.07 | ieatlint | other than that, it's stock |
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| 10:39.48 | Ainulindale | If you can reflash rootfs, and do step by step what you did before I think you'll be able to know what the problem is |
| 10:39.56 | Ainulindale | For my part I didn't install the applet for the keyboard |
| 10:40.13 | Ainulindale | I installed matchbox-keyboard per the wiki instructions |
| 10:40.51 | ieatlint | i've not the energy to do that at the moment, but i can tomorrow |
| 10:41.05 | anasazi | there is another update u can get with opkg update && opkg upgrade at the moment... I can tell you in a minute if it helps :) |
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| 10:45.01 | julieet | <love^_^me> - |
| 10:45.03 | julieet | <love^_^me> Dream-Guy (NatureGuy@point4fun-user-FD99791A.alshamil.net.ae) |
| 10:45.08 | julieet | ..../s hub.starfmradio.org is my server and i need staff local global and services admin for my server pLz come to our world register your favourtie chans tHkX |
| 10:45.54 | anasazi | mmmmh |
| 10:46.28 | ieatlint | heh |
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| 11:08.22 | rtm | Does anyone know if there is a kernel version which turns off the clock to the microSD card to prevent interference with the GPS for the neo1973, or is that only possible for the Freerunner because of the glamo? |
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| 11:10.09 | balrog-kun | the neo1973 is turning the clock off from the beginning unless it's magically broken |
| 11:10.18 | SpeedEvil | r: not a problem |
| 11:10.25 | SpeedEvil | rtp: I did some tests |
| 11:10.28 | balrog-kun | but it also probably causes less (if any) interference there |
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| 11:11.03 | SpeedEvil | rtp: I could not measure a difference in recieved signal level of the GPS between doing massive reads and writes from the SD, and not. |
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| 11:11.40 | rtm | I agree that the neo1973 seems to have always had decent GPS performance. I just thought there might have been a recent change, along with the Freerunner change, that would make the gta01 work even better. |
| 11:11.49 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 11:11.50 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: that might mean that the clock isn't turned off ;) |
| 11:11.55 | SpeedEvil | It's irrelevant. |
| 11:12.01 | rtm | SpeedEvil: THanks, that's good to know. |
| 11:12.13 | balrog-kun | rtm: nope, gta01 uses a standard SD driver, not our own |
| 11:12.25 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: true - though I recently did some tests, and came out to 39-42s or so first lock time |
| 11:12.28 | balrog-kun | and the s3c24xx is supposed to turn the clock off without software's intervention |
| 11:13.06 | rtm | balrog-kun: Thanks for the info. |
| 11:19.54 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r366a46c4f520 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.xml.in: document error interface |
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| 11:36.51 | maar | hi |
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| 11:40.19 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5367daf9e4df 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (illume_svn.bb splinter_svn.bb): [efl] Bump the PR of efl users to force a rebuild |
| 11:40.19 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r41a9f56d2c53 10/packages/dhcp/ (dhcp_3.0.2.bb files/dhclient-nullptr.patch): [dhcp] Apply patch to make a null pointer warning/error go away |
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| 11:47.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd9753aee8076 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up to 169... to match typo fix in ecore |
| 11:47.40 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra645e3ed329f 10/packages/e17/e-wm_cvs.bb: e- remove default tarballs of apps etc. |
| 11:47.41 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4dba941528b3 10/packages/efl1/ecore_cvs.bb: re-enable software-16 engine (option changed) |
| 11:47.41 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r3d916aeb74b3 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: up efl date to get ecore build fixes. |
| 11:47.44 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r9e7c5ed1e832 10/packages/efl1/ecore_cvs.bb: and actually use right option. |
| 11:47.47 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc702cab2f062 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up illume rev to fix segv |
| 11:47.50 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra4a4a56b62b0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin. Change font, size and wording of dialogs |
| 11:47.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * raa2425501c54 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Put mc, gpsd and devmem2 into the feed two |
| 11:47.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r3d937b263d79 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: [srcdate] Upgrade EFL to a date/time to really get today's version |
| 11:48.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8f11499f108a 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (illume_svn.bb splinter_svn.bb): [efl] Bump the PR of efl users to force a rebuild |
| 11:48.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd25dd958800a 10/packages/dhcp/ (dhcp_3.0.2.bb files/dhclient-nullptr.patch): [dhcp] Apply patch to make a null pointer warning/error go away |
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| 12:00.28 | Zorkman | anybody have a minute? |
| 12:00.32 | Zorkman | my freerunner won't boot anymore... |
| 12:00.45 | Zorkman | (drained battery?) |
| 12:00.46 | SpeedEvil | First unplug the battery and USB |
| 12:01.05 | SpeedEvil | leave for a couple of mins, and plug in the battery, then USB, and leave it for an hour. |
| 12:01.06 | Zorkman | already done that but wil do it again |
| 12:01.30 | Zorkman | (except the "leave for an hour :)) |
| 12:02.26 | Zorkman | speedevil: what is best: with the wallcharger, or with the pc? |
| 12:02.39 | Zorkman | my pc doesn't recognize the usb0 when i plug in the FreeRunner |
| 12:02.42 | SpeedEvil | eitehr should work. |
| 12:02.44 | SpeedEvil | it won't. |
| 12:03.12 | Zorkman | so there will be no way to check if it is actually being charged, except for trying after an hour |
| 12:03.16 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure, and this is a guess - I've not got a freerunner. I'm assuming there is some |
| 12:03.22 | SpeedEvil | trickle charge mode. |
| 12:03.54 | Zorkman | wtf! |
| 12:04.00 | Zorkman | it booted from its own |
| 12:04.04 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 12:04.12 | Zorkman | without doing anything...; |
| 12:04.27 | SpeedEvil | I was using my telekinesis to make it boot. |
| 12:04.39 | Zorkman | "On-line, battery charging: 48% (3:22:00)" |
| 12:04.51 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
| 12:05.15 | Zorkman | thank goodness for your telekenises lvl 150 :) |
| 12:07.15 | SpeedEvil | Was this after unplugging the battery? |
| 12:07.17 | Zorkman | btw: I'm gonna say it probably a thousand times: scummvm looks really great on the FreeRunner! |
| 12:07.31 | Zorkman | i unplugged it and plugged it back in and connected the usb cable |
| 12:07.37 | Zorkman | but i had already done this a couple of times |
| 12:07.52 | Zorkman | and the usb cable was plugged in for at least a minute or two before it decided on its own to boot |
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| 12:13.33 | tommax1083 | hi all! can I install on my openmoko a server for remote desktop and use my phone by my pc? |
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| 12:17.19 | maar | tommax1083: you can install sshd |
| 12:17.46 | TobiX | tommax1083: Or maybe x11vnc, if that is ported... |
| 12:18.01 | tommax1083 | thanks for suggest |
| 12:18.14 | mjr | I've used x11vnc on the Neo for presentation purposes |
| 12:18.19 | maar | if not, you can compile it by toolchain |
| 12:20.52 | Zorkman | anyone else get errors when opkg upgrading the ASU? (about libefreet.so.0.5.0 nad lifreet.so.0) ? |
| 12:22.10 | Zorkman | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1648 sayss it is fixed, but it doesn't seem so here... |
| 12:22.22 | Zorkman | can someone check if he has the same errors? otherwise i will reopen the ticket |
| 12:29.31 | awesomo4k | does python-pygps work? |
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| 12:51.57 | Zorkman | what is the command to get info about the kernel-version/rootfs? |
| 12:52.08 | Zorkman | it was something with a "-a" in the command i think... |
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| 12:54.14 | maar | Zorkman: uname -a |
| 12:56.12 | Zorkman | maar: nothing more? i just get Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 23 06:34:19 CEST 2008 armv4tl unknown |
| 12:56.17 | Zorkman | no kernel version... |
| 12:56.26 | maar | Zorkman: 2.6.24 |
| 12:57.02 | awesomo4k | mount |
| 12:57.19 | maar | Zorkman: I think that you also get information abou kernel from 'opkg' |
| 12:57.47 | awesomo4k | opkg print_architecture |
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| 12:59.46 | maar | Zorkman: like that: opkg list_installed | grep kernel |
| 13:00.16 | Zorkman | thanks everyone |
| 13:00.44 | awesomo4k | are there "themes" for the phone |
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| 13:02.39 | Zorkman | yeah there is one for the asu |
| 13:03.15 | awesomo4k | ahh.. i'm not on asu |
| 13:03.41 | Zorkman | sorry: I only know of one theme and ASIK it's asu-only |
| 13:03.58 | awesomo4k | maybe i should put asu on my sd card and run both |
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| 13:04.44 | Zorkman | thats what i do :) |
| 13:04.49 | maar | heh, I want to do it today, I will see what happen |
| 13:04.54 | awesomo4k | Zorkman ... |
| 13:05.01 | Zorkman | yeah? |
| 13:05.05 | awesomo4k | did you follow the "booting from SD_Card" wiki instructions |
| 13:05.09 | Zorkman | jup |
| 13:05.17 | Zorkman | damn, i have some visitors |
| 13:05.22 | Zorkman | beb bakc tonight |
| 13:05.26 | awesomo4k | did you start with the base asu |
| 13:05.30 | awesomo4k | and the opkg upgrade it? |
| 13:05.38 | awesomo4k | ok.. have fun. |
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| 13:06.49 | EmKay | Hi.. I have some problems with connection my desktop to the Freerunner |
| 13:07.02 | EmKay | I have typed this in the terminal in Ubuntu: |
| 13:07.03 | EmKay | sudo iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 13:07.08 | EmKay | sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 13:07.11 | EmKay | sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 13:07.25 | awesomo4k | is fr plugged into usb port ? |
| 13:07.27 | EmKay | But then when I try to ssh root@192.168.0.202 |
| 13:07.45 | EmKay | I just get a "ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host " |
| 13:07.51 | awesomo4k | try |
| 13:07.52 | EmKay | Of course it is ;) |
| 13:07.59 | awesomo4k | sudo route add -host 192.168.0.202 usb0 |
| 13:08.05 | Rigolo | did you check that there is a usb0 device? |
| 13:08.22 | awesomo4k | and what is the ip of your regular ethernet (eth0) ? |
| 13:08.36 | maar | Rigolo: it must be there, othwerise hi didn't get error message after commnad 'ifconfig usb0...' |
| 13:09.02 | awesomo4k | or sudo route add -host 192.168.0.202 192.168.0.200 |
| 13:09.34 | EmKay | "sudo route add -host 192.168.0.202 usb0" worked.. But what is the password for the Freerunner? |
| 13:09.39 | awesomo4k | blank |
| 13:09.49 | EmKay | Oh.. |
| 13:09.52 | EmKay | Hang on then.. |
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| 13:10.18 | maar | EmKay: when you will be inside FR, then change root password ;) |
| 13:10.18 | awesomo4k | actually anything will work |
| 13:10.28 | awesomo4k | it doesn' have to be blank at first |
| 13:10.34 | Rigolo | is that also true for ASU? or is there a default password? |
| 13:10.49 | EmKay | I think it's working.. |
| 13:11.00 | leinir | There's no root password defined at the moment, because of convenience for developers :) |
| 13:11.33 | EmKay | But is it normal to have all those signature check failures? :S |
| 13:11.48 | awesomo4k | .. /tmp/x.log contains lots of juicy info too |
| 13:11.58 | EmKay | Hmm.. It fails to downloads every single file :S |
| 13:12.07 | awesomo4k | EmKay - are you talking about opkg |
| 13:12.12 | EmKay | Yup |
| 13:12.31 | awesomo4k | yeah word on the street is that sigs aren't implemented yet for the packages so ignore for now |
| 13:12.44 | niap | EmKay, probably DNS setup broken |
| 13:12.48 | awesomo4k | although i saw this new command appear: "opkg-key" |
| 13:13.09 | maar | heh, I have good commercial publicity, You dont need any exploit for FR, root pass is blank, enjoy. |
| 13:13.10 | awesomo4k | for dns, i usually just echo 'nameserver 4.2.2.2' > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:13.18 | EmKay | But what about eight of those: "Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/neo1973/Packages.sig, error 0 " |
| 13:13.25 | niap | EmKay, try "nslookup www.google.de" |
| 13:13.31 | niap | and post the output |
| 13:13.35 | awesomo4k | your initial resolv.conf will be 192.168.0.200 |
| 13:13.44 | awesomo4k | which is your host, which probably isn't running a nameserver. |
| 13:14.13 | EmKay | Oh.. So I need to tell the Neo that the nameserver is my router? |
| 13:14.23 | niap | yeah that would be smartest ;) |
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| 13:14.45 | EmKay | "nslookup www.google.de" gives me "Server: 192.168.0.200 " "Address 1: 192.168.0.200 " |
| 13:14.59 | EmKay | But how do I do that then? :$ |
| 13:15.07 | awesomo4k | echo 'nameserver <routerip> > /etc/resolv.conf' |
| 13:15.17 | awesomo4k | (as root on the fr) |
| 13:15.42 | awesomo4k | and also look in /etc/network/interfaces and edit that |
| 13:15.45 | awesomo4k | to make it stick |
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| 13:16.57 | awesomo4k | the iptables command will make the neo share your host's internet connection |
| 13:17.17 | EmKay | echo 'nameserver ..... didn't work.. |
| 13:17.24 | EmKay | iptables? |
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| 13:17.39 | awesomo4k | type ping google.com |
| 13:17.41 | awesomo4k | what's it say |
| 13:18.09 | EmKay | ping: bad address 'google.com' |
| 13:18.17 | awesomo4k | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 13:18.44 | EmKay | nameserver 192.168.0.200 |
| 13:18.55 | EmKay | So I guess the echo command didn't work? |
| 13:19.00 | EmKay | My router is at 192.168.0.1 |
| 13:19.01 | niap | yep |
| 13:19.09 | niap | oh |
| 13:19.10 | awesomo4k | there's no "e" in "resolv.conf" ... |
| 13:19.18 | awesomo4k | at the end... typo? |
| 13:19.33 | EmKay | root@om-gta02:~# echo 'nameserver 192.168.0.1 > /etc/resolv.conf' |
| 13:19.39 | EmKay | That is how I typed it.. |
| 13:19.48 | awesomo4k | put a ' after the "1" |
| 13:19.52 | awesomo4k | and remove the last one |
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| 13:20.01 | awesomo4k | the last ' |
| 13:20.21 | awesomo4k | as it stands, that wil just output to the screen.. |
| 13:20.45 | awesomo4k | echo 'nameserver 192.168.0.1' > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:22.07 | EmKay | Hmm.. Maybe I am wrong.. Maybe the DNS server is not my router.. Hang on.. Will try another IP for the nameserver |
| 13:22.15 | awesomo4k | try 4.2.2.2 |
| 13:22.46 | awesomo4k | you can make it match /etc/resolv.conf on your host too |
| 13:24.07 | niap | EmKay, it won't work depending on what subnet-size you defined for the pc-neo connection |
| 13:24.28 | awesomo4k | niap -- i had him do "route" with a single host |
| 13:24.45 | niap | awesomo4k, yeah but neo doesn't know this |
| 13:24.51 | niap | it expects a /24 network |
| 13:24.56 | niap | and thinks the router is local |
| 13:24.57 | awesomo4k | yeah i know .. i figured he'd have a conflict with his existing net |
| 13:25.09 | awesomo4k | oh... i see. |
| 13:25.12 | EmKay | Now my Neo resolv.conf matches the one on the desktop.. |
| 13:25.17 | niap | you you would have to set the subnet on neos side tooo |
| 13:25.18 | EmKay | But still "ping: bad address 'google.com' " |
| 13:25.33 | niap | EmKay, what is it on the desktop? |
| 13:25.44 | EmKay | 217.116.227.8 |
| 13:25.47 | niap | mhm |
| 13:25.56 | niap | works pinging the DNS server? |
| 13:25.57 | EmKay | Should I try with 4.2.2.2? |
| 13:25.57 | awesomo4k | what does "route" say on the neo |
| 13:26.06 | awesomo4k | nah that won't matter .. |
| 13:26.19 | EmKay | route: "192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 " |
| 13:26.32 | awesomo4k | no default route? |
| 13:26.34 | EmKay | and "default 192.168.0.200 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usb0 " |
| 13:26.35 | niap | Is the kernel-update via opkg at the moment broken? |
| 13:26.52 | niap | upgrading fails and kills the kernel-image |
| 13:27.07 | awesomo4k | from neo: 'ping 192.168.0.200' |
| 13:27.37 | EmKay | from the neo physically or is it okay to use the terminal via ssh? |
| 13:27.42 | awesomo4k | terminal is fine |
| 13:28.12 | EmKay | Works fine.. |
| 13:28.16 | awesomo4k | ok |
| 13:28.20 | awesomo4k | ping 192.168.0.1 |
| 13:28.24 | awesomo4k | (your router ip) |
| 13:28.44 | EmKay | Nothing happening |
| 13:28.50 | awesomo4k | ok |
| 13:28.51 | niap | he should ping something in the net |
| 13:28.58 | EmKay | Don't think it can find it |
| 13:29.03 | niap | yeah |
| 13:29.06 | niap | this is normal |
| 13:29.11 | awesomo4k | iptables too wide? |
| 13:29.16 | niap | no |
| 13:29.24 | niap | he can never ping the localnet |
| 13:29.29 | niap | because of the subnet reason |
| 13:29.40 | niap | but if masq would work |
| 13:29.42 | awesomo4k | you mean netmask on the neo |
| 13:29.46 | niap | yes |
| 13:29.46 | awesomo4k | ? |
| 13:29.56 | niap | than he could reach the net |
| 13:30.18 | awesomo4k | netmask 255.255.255.255 |
| 13:30.20 | awesomo4k | ? |
| 13:30.37 | EmKay | Should I type that... or...? |
| 13:30.41 | niap | EmKay, no |
| 13:30.44 | EmKay | Okay :P |
| 13:30.47 | niap | try to "ping 129.132.2.245" |
| 13:31.12 | niap | from the Neo |
| 13:31.21 | *** join/#openmoko HauDyr (n=kim@knet-gip124.prod.bolignet.dk) |
| 13:31.25 | EmKay | Yeah.. Via the terminal is okay right? Nothing... |
| 13:31.30 | niap | mhm |
| 13:31.31 | niap | ok |
| 13:31.38 | awesomo4k | niap : what you're saying is that usb0 on neo should set a /32 netmask to avoid the local internal network ? |
| 13:31.56 | niap | awesomo4k, i say he should assign his local network another numbering block :) |
| 13:32.03 | awesomo4k | heh ... yeah i agree |
| 13:32.11 | niap | because this will lead to lots of pain in future |
| 13:32.27 | niap | EmKay, reconfigure your router to another IP block |
| 13:32.29 | awesomo4k | but certainly we _could_ have a "one-host" network on the same subnet as the local one.. although it is ridiculous. |
| 13:32.39 | EmKay | Another ip block? |
| 13:32.40 | niap | awesomo4k, yeah we could |
| 13:32.46 | niap | but we would still need NAT |
| 13:33.00 | niap | vulgo masquerading |
| 13:33.00 | awesomo4k | yeah one-host nat, one-host netmask.. |
| 13:33.06 | awesomo4k | icky. |
| 13:33.16 | niap | not the totally noobie friendly setup ;) |
| 13:33.19 | awesomo4k | who thought of these sensible defaults ! :) |
| 13:33.41 | awesomo4k | 192.168. .. oh yeah that's what everyone uses ! .. and that's why its bad. |
| 13:33.43 | niap | dunno but i think too, it should be changed |
| 13:33.48 | EmKay | Uhm.. Not quite following ya.. :S Do I have to change the IP of the router? |
| 13:33.54 | niap | EmKay, yes |
| 13:33.59 | EmKay | Ok.. To what? |
| 13:34.04 | awesomo4k | 10.1.1.1 |
| 13:34.23 | EmKay | Ok.. Hang on.. Might get logged off then.. |
| 13:34.24 | niap | EmKay, anything outside "192.168.0.0" |
| 13:34.31 | EmKay | Will try 10.1.1.1 |
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| 13:34.45 | awesomo4k | yeah you'll probably drop until your host gets dhcp again |
| 13:34.47 | niap | EmKay, but remeber to check DHCP setup too |
| 13:36.20 | awesomo4k | he'll probably need 10 for a work vpn or something and now that will break :) |
| 13:36.33 | niap | :) |
| 13:37.30 | niap | hopefully he hasn't static ips or a custom router that doesn't enforce checks on whether local IP and DHCP setup match |
| 13:38.08 | awesomo4k | crosses fingers. |
| 13:38.22 | awesomo4k | well he didn't drop off yet |
| 13:39.07 | niap | this is a bad sign? he should drop off ;) |
| 13:39.19 | awesomo4k | yeah ... |
| 13:39.29 | awesomo4k | dang it what was that router password !? |
| 13:41.36 | awesomo4k | how do i tell if the kernel has 'ext2' support compiled in |
| 13:42.22 | niap | cat /proc/filesystems |
| 13:43.09 | awesomo4k | what's nodev mean |
| 13:43.19 | niap | dunno probably not in use? |
| 13:43.43 | niap | well no |
| 13:44.08 | niap | i think it means whether the filesystem is a physical filesystem or a pseudo filesystem |
| 13:44.35 | awesomo4k | so things like "proc", "nfs", etc don't need a disk |
| 13:44.55 | niap | yeap, but don't know for sure |
| 13:45.35 | awesomo4k | trying to intall on sd and boot to try out asu |
| 13:48.25 | awesomo4k | have you tried the underground build that uses the framebuffer from the german guys ? |
| 13:48.40 | awesomo4k | no-x11 , just framebuffer |
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| 13:50.25 | Trevinho | I've just a question about qtopia... Does it use framebuffer also in freerunner or something else? |
| 13:50.46 | Trevinho | since it will be really cool running also non-qtopia apps... |
| 13:50.50 | awesomo4k | i think it uses x11 if the image filename appears correctly |
| 13:50.53 | Trevinho | and asu is not quite stable yet |
| 13:51.05 | Trevinho | well, I'm not using the asu version, eh |
| 13:51.15 | Trevinho | the qtopia version from qtopia.net |
| 13:51.19 | leinir | qtopia uses the freerunner, yes :) |
| 13:51.23 | leinir | asu uses x11 :) |
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| 13:51.32 | leinir | ehrm... framebuffer! |
| 13:51.37 | awesomo4k | still wants an ncurses-based distro |
| 13:52.20 | awesomo4k | a phone that looks like a terminal screen at all times is something to strive for |
| 13:52.29 | Trevinho | ok |
| 13:53.04 | Trevinho | qtopia is cool for a daily use but I miss gps :/ |
| 13:53.28 | awesomo4k | trevinho ... all the phone functions working? |
| 13:53.40 | Trevinho | yes awesomo4k |
| 13:54.13 | Trevinho | you need a dictionary for the predictive keyboard, but once you've made one it's quite good |
| 13:54.54 | Trevinho | ah, however there's a big issue, due to the freerunner nature: you can't filter the contact list! |
| 13:55.03 | Trevinho | that's due to the fact that freerunner has not keys |
| 13:55.41 | Trevinho | this is the only thing that create me some problems |
| 13:55.42 | leinir | Not really... |
| 13:55.52 | leinir | You'd be able to filter it fine, except there's no filter input ;) |
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| 13:56.38 | EmKay | So.. I'm back.. |
| 13:56.45 | Trevinho | leinir: yes I knew that |
| 13:56.50 | EmKay | And that didn't work.. :S |
| 13:56.59 | Trevinho | in fact I said that it's due to the fact that the freerunner has not keys P: |
| 13:57.00 | EmKay | Screwed up my whole network.. |
| 13:57.03 | Trevinho | not by qtopia itself |
| 13:57.17 | Trevinho | however using a fingernail to scroll the scroll bar could help |
| 13:57.20 | Trevinho | but not so much |
| 13:57.22 | EmKay | But I'm back and just have to log in the Neo via the terminal again. Any other ideas? |
| 13:57.36 | leinir | Trevinho: When i say "filter input" i mean an input box, not a keyboard :) |
| 13:57.58 | leinir | Think the filter box in Amarok or iTunes or whatever your favourite music player's called :) |
| 13:58.02 | niap | EmKay, why didn't it work? |
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| 13:58.33 | EmKay | Well.. I couldn't connect to the router.. So I guess that's not an option :S |
| 13:58.42 | awesomo4k | ha ha |
| 13:59.10 | niap | you couldn't connect to the router? |
| 13:59.23 | Trevinho | yes leinir I understood |
| 13:59.28 | leinir | ok :) |
| 13:59.37 | EmKay | No.. After I tried to change the router's ip to 10.1.1.1 there was no network and no connection the router what so ever :S |
| 13:59.56 | EmKay | Had to do a reset with the reset button on the router to get it back alive |
| 14:00.02 | niap | you would have to change IPs from the whole local network |
| 14:00.23 | *** part/#openmoko shaz (i=shazkhan@116.58.110.150) |
| 14:00.27 | niap | and adapt the IP of your pc it is static, too |
| 14:00.37 | Trevinho | but... nobody knows something about qtopia 4.4 ? :P |
| 14:01.01 | EmKay | Well.. That's easier said than done.. :S |
| 14:01.10 | EmKay | Is there no other way? |
| 14:01.20 | *** join/#openmoko Sup3rkiddo (n=sudharsh@unaffiliated/sudharsh) |
| 14:01.26 | EmKay | It must be possible even though the routers ip is 192.168.0.1 |
| 14:02.28 | awesomo4k | it is it's just tricky... |
| 14:03.00 | Rigolo | is there any way to "calibrate" the touch screen? when I switch orientation I can not use any thing on the right side of the screen |
| 14:03.36 | niap | EmKay, there is |
| 14:03.41 | EmKay | Yeah? :P |
| 14:03.46 | niap | 1. option: complicated NAT setup |
| 14:03.54 | niap | 2. option: Bridge the interface |
| 14:04.15 | EmKay | 3? |
| 14:04.15 | awesomo4k | don't forget 3 |
| 14:04.23 | awesomo4k | 3. use the wifi to talk to the phone |
| 14:04.35 | awesomo4k | or for the phone to talk to the internet |
| 14:04.39 | awesomo4k | (if you have wifi) |
| 14:04.44 | EmKay | Well wifi is very desirable.. |
| 14:04.45 | EmKay | I do.. |
| 14:04.53 | Ainulindale | Sup3rkiddo: hey you |
| 14:04.57 | EmKay | So we can try to set that up instead..? |
| 14:06.02 | *** join/#openmoko evolux (n=evolux@p5B08B77D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:06.03 | awesomo4k | EmKay - do you use wep or anything? |
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| 14:06.13 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, yo |
| 14:06.24 | Ainulindale | Can I ask you some questions about odeviced Sup3rkiddo ? |
| 14:06.26 | Guilt | is there a good way to import/export contacts in Openmoko? |
| 14:06.30 | EmKay | Yeah.. But I can switch if off if it's easier? |
| 14:06.30 | Guilt | does evolution work? |
| 14:06.39 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, yeah...sure.. |
| 14:06.44 | awesomo4k | so.. you have a freerunner with just the default build that came with, right? |
| 14:06.54 | Ainulindale | Sup3rkiddo: If that's really you who's doing the GSoC project :-) |
| 14:06.56 | EmKay | Yeah |
| 14:07.04 | awesomo4k | iirc, iwconfig wasn't working with WEP on that ... |
| 14:07.08 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, oh, thats my evil twin |
| 14:07.21 | Ainulindale | Well, I'll query you then :-) |
| 14:07.26 | EmKay | Ok. So I have to switch off WEP then? |
| 14:07.29 | awesomo4k | so yeah, no wep would be easier just until you get it out on the 'net to do an update |
| 14:07.41 | josch | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/dd2f616eee16a12b8c6864647f34ca96.png <= who posted this? |
| 14:07.46 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, hehe sure |
| 14:07.46 | EmKay | Ok.. |
| 14:07.48 | EmKay | Its off |
| 14:07.50 | Guilt | you could use the usb0 adapter for the net. |
| 14:08.10 | awesomo4k | ok.. got a terminal session to the neo? |
| 14:08.10 | Guilt | until it works. i found the existing driver very unreliable. |
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| 14:09.16 | ab0oo | josch: what is that a screen cap of, a game/ |
| 14:09.17 | EmKay8 | NOW it's off.. :P |
| 14:09.20 | EmKay8 | Then what? |
| 14:10.22 | josch | ab0oo, o rly? |
| 14:10.30 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r37c29b8a5894 10/etc/dbus-1/system.d/frameworkd.conf: Allow ogpsd to claim the bus name org.freedesktop.Gypsy |
| 14:10.31 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rb20fc0f1c6c0 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (gpsdevice.py ubx.py): ogpsd: Some cosmetic changes, don't import unused modules |
| 14:10.34 | awesomo4k | type /sbin/iwconfig eth0 essid "youressid" |
| 14:10.39 | josch | i found out: it's the manaworld mmorpg |
| 14:11.05 | ab0oo | which implies someone has a client running on the freerunner... |
| 14:11.22 | EmKay8 | With or without " |
| 14:11.34 | awesomo4k | you need quotes if your essid has spaces in it |
| 14:11.39 | awesomo4k | probably don't if it doesn't |
| 14:11.46 | ab0oo | vmware seems to have eaten my shift key. actually, even caps lock won't give me caps |
| 14:11.50 | awesomo4k | they don't hurt to leave in |
| 14:11.56 | EmKay8 | There.. |
| 14:12.02 | EmKay8 | I did have spaces.. |
| 14:12.06 | awesomo4k | ab0oo: setxbmap |
| 14:14.03 | ab0oo | bash: setxbmap: command not found |
| 14:14.19 | awesomo4k | sorry: setxkbmap |
| 14:14.27 | EmKay8 | Is that it? :P |
| 14:14.43 | AntonTakk | woot! tmobile activated a new sim for me over the phone |
| 14:14.50 | *** join/#openmoko Stroller (n=Stroller@213-152-39-89.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) |
| 14:14.52 | AntonTakk | i can use 2007.2 now :) |
| 14:15.03 | awesomo4k | ok... now /sbin/ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.# <--- pick an unused IP address on your internal network |
| 14:15.04 | ab0oo | hehe, can't sudo, either, because i can't use the shift key... |
| 14:15.36 | ab0oo | awesomo4k: [hero] tag for you today. |
| 14:15.41 | awesomo4k | ab0oo: i had to make a panel launcher for xsetkbmap for when vmware messes up |
| 14:16.05 | *** join/#openmoko olejorgenb (n=olejorge@ip-247-62-149-91.dialup.ice.no) |
| 14:16.11 | ab0oo | how do you escape the vmware window? the ctrl-A hint from the status bar is useless |
| 14:16.24 | ab0oo | (I'm playing with the QTopia SDK, which is a vmware image) |
| 14:17.34 | awesomo4k | ab0oo: ctrl-alt |
| 14:17.52 | ab0oo | ahh, all I saw before was ctrl-a, not "alt" |
| 14:17.59 | EmKay8 | Hmm.. Nothing happens |
| 14:18.11 | awesomo4k | EmKay8: route add default eth0 |
| 14:18.13 | awesomo4k | wait |
| 14:18.22 | *** join/#openmoko TimRiker (n=timr@66.135.114.72) |
| 14:18.24 | awesomo4k | what does /sbin/ifconfig say |
| 14:18.34 | EmKay8 | Nothing. Cause nothing happens.. |
| 14:18.45 | EmKay8 | I have to cancel it to be able to write something again |
| 14:18.53 | awesomo4k | # /sbin/ifconfig eth0 |
| 14:18.54 | awesomo4k | ? |
| 14:19.35 | EmKay8 | Oh.. Okay.. It understood the command aparently.. It has set the ip address as specified |
| 14:19.43 | EmKay8 | Now the route thing? |
| 14:20.32 | awesomo4k | well ... try this first |
| 14:21.26 | awesomo4k | route add -host [ip of router] eth0 |
| 14:22.10 | EmKay8 | Yeah? |
| 14:22.20 | EmKay8 | And now? |
| 14:22.25 | awesomo4k | ping routerip |
| 14:22.44 | EmKay8 | Yeah.. Lots of answers :P |
| 14:22.51 | EmKay8 | 7% packet loss :S |
| 14:22.57 | EmKay8 | Anyway.. There is a hole through :D |
| 14:23.07 | awesomo4k | so you can ping your internal router from the wifi on your phone |
| 14:23.10 | awesomo4k | good. |
| 14:23.13 | EmKay8 | Nice |
| 14:23.14 | awesomo4k | now make that the default route |
| 14:23.17 | awesomo4k | and you will |
| 14:23.21 | awesomo4k | probably drop your ssh connection |
| 14:23.37 | *** join/#openmoko gnutoo_ (n=gnutoo@host191-204-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 14:23.48 | EmKay8 | Ok.. Is that the "route add default eth0"? |
| 14:24.17 | awesomo4k | yeah |
| 14:24.27 | EmKay8 | I will be able to access the Neo through the terminal again right? |
| 14:24.54 | awesomo4k | yeah but you should ssh to it from the wifi side |
| 14:25.14 | EmKay8 | Ok.. We will look at that in a while then :P |
| 14:25.23 | EmKay8 | So.. Default route added.. |
| 14:25.29 | awesomo4k | and did ssh drop? |
| 14:25.38 | EmKay8 | Nope.. |
| 14:25.47 | EmKay8 | Can still ping the router |
| 14:25.49 | awesomo4k | ping google.com |
| 14:26.01 | EmKay8 | No answer |
| 14:26.06 | *** join/#openmoko arne_ (n=arne@p4FC4D694.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:26.11 | arne_ | where does the freerunner save the sms'es? |
| 14:26.16 | awesomo4k | ping 4.2.2.2 |
| 14:26.41 | arne_ | please tell me :D |
| 14:26.44 | EmKay8 | No answer |
| 14:26.56 | arne_ | EmKay8: yß |
| 14:27.08 | awesomo4k | output of "route" ? |
| 14:27.13 | EmKay8 | arne_: Huh? |
| 14:27.22 | arne_ | EmKay8: sorry, missunderstanding |
| 14:27.56 | EmKay8 | 192.168.0.1 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth0 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 default * 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 default 192.168.0.200 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 14:28.14 | EmKay8 | That's five lines :S |
| 14:29.02 | awesomo4k | route del 192.168.0.0 usb0 |
| 14:29.28 | EmKay8 | route: SIOCDELRT: No such process |
| 14:29.39 | EmKay8 | I typed "root@om-gta02:~# route del 192.168.0.0 usb0 " |
| 14:31.27 | awesomo4k | route delete 192.168.0.0 |
| 14:31.51 | EmKay8 | route: SIOCDELRT: No such process |
| 14:32.36 | awesomo4k | EmKay8: the route table appears as though you have multiple, conflicting routes going through different interfaces. that's generally not good |
| 14:32.52 | EmKay8 | Ok :S |
| 14:33.04 | EmKay8 | But why can't I delete them? |
| 14:33.07 | awesomo4k | so you want to delete the ones through usb0 |
| 14:33.17 | awesomo4k | uncertain |
| 14:33.20 | awesomo4k | look at route again |
| 14:33.23 | *** join/#openmoko ale1 (n=lingyu@116.227.159.181) |
| 14:33.49 | EmKay8 | no change |
| 14:36.02 | awesomo4k | route delete default |
| 14:37.07 | *** join/#openmoko anno^da_ (n=anno^da@p5B07D613.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:37.07 | EmKay8 | Yeah.. Now number 4 in the table is gone.. |
| 14:37.13 | *** join/#openmoko zedstar (n=john@82-44-200-69.cable.ubr08.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 14:37.27 | awesomo4k | ok |
| 14:37.29 | awesomo4k | do that again |
| 14:37.35 | awesomo4k | and see if the usb0 default route disappears |
| 14:38.09 | EmKay8 | it did |
| 14:38.13 | awesomo4k | progress. |
| 14:38.23 | EmKay8 | Yeahh.. |
| 14:38.27 | EmKay8 | You're the maaaan! :D |
| 14:38.37 | awesomo4k | route delete 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 usb0 |
| 14:38.49 | EmKay8 | I'l buy ya a biiig beer next time your in Copenhagen, Denmark :P |
| 14:39.11 | awesomo4k | thanks. |
| 14:39.30 | awesomo4k | i should screw up other peoples networks for a living |
| 14:39.34 | EmKay8 | route: netmask 000000ff and host route conflict |
| 14:39.37 | EmKay8 | LOL |
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| 14:41.25 | spydon | does everybody have that ncurses error when doing opkg upgrade? |
| 14:41.39 | niap | jup |
| 14:41.53 | *** join/#openmoko almien (n=OJW@87-194-198-122.bethere.co.uk) |
| 14:41.54 | awesomo4k | route delete -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 usb0 |
| 14:41.54 | niap | and also a kernel flash error |
| 14:42.07 | awesomo4k | the "-net" part needs to be in there i think |
| 14:42.36 | EmKay8 | Yup.. Now there is only 2 in the table |
| 14:42.57 | awesomo4k | ok.. which 2 |
| 14:43.11 | EmKay8 | 192.168.0.1 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 14:43.12 | EmKay8 | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 14:43.18 | awesomo4k | ok .. |
| 14:43.23 | awesomo4k | how are you connected to the device |
| 14:43.27 | EmKay8 | ssh |
| 14:43.32 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rafb5685254e5 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.CB.xml.in: otapi: add forgotten spec file |
| 14:43.37 | awesomo4k | over the wifi ip? |
| 14:43.57 | EmKay8 | Uhm.. Don't know :S |
| 14:44.11 | EmKay8 | But I can't type anything now |
| 14:44.14 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r5fe5e47a0f86 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.xml.in: otapi: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.xml.in: improve docs, specify errors |
| 14:44.14 | awesomo4k | unplug it from usb and see if ssh terminates |
| 14:44.51 | ab0oo | lpotter, are you around for QTopia SDK questions? |
| 14:44.51 | EmKay8 | Well.. It is just blinking now.. |
| 14:44.59 | EmKay8 | But I can't type anything |
| 14:45.08 | awesomo4k | ok. it probably dropped. |
| 14:45.12 | EmKay8 | ok |
| 14:45.12 | awesomo4k | try ssh wifiip |
| 14:45.16 | awesomo4k | ssh root@wifiip |
| 14:45.22 | EmKay8 | I have to close terminal then |
| 14:45.31 | EmKay8 | And open again.. Right? |
| 14:45.37 | awesomo4k | from your host? |
| 14:45.44 | awesomo4k | just start a new one |
| 14:45.46 | EmKay8 | On the computer.. Yes |
| 14:45.54 | awesomo4k | ctrl-shift-t |
| 14:45.55 | ab0oo | hmm, given that it's 00:45 in brisbane, he's probably not. |
| 14:45.55 | EmKay8 | Oh.. Okay :P |
| 14:45.59 | awesomo4k | or ctrl-chift-n |
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| 14:46.05 | awesomo4k | if you're in gnome-terminal |
| 14:46.08 | ab0oo | anyone else have any qtopia SDK experience? |
| 14:46.36 | EmKay8 | ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.110 port 22: No route to host |
| 14:46.39 | ronny | what am i supposed to do if a opkg upgrade fails and leaves double application icons in my freerunner mainline relase image ? |
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| 14:47.20 | EmKay8 | I typed ssh root@192.168.0.110 |
| 14:47.39 | awesomo4k | EmKay8 can you /msg me in the other window |
| 14:48.30 | awesomo4k | ping 192.168.0.110 |
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| 14:56.38 | Chocky | moo |
| 14:58.23 | ab0oo | looks like the whole gang of misfits is now present. |
| 14:58.38 | leinir | mew? ;) |
| 14:58.45 | Chocky | where's Dave? |
| 14:59.00 | leinir | i was wondering that ;) |
| 14:59.14 | ab0oo | mis-ing, mis-fit, same same |
| 14:59.32 | johngay | Dave's not here, man. |
| 15:02.42 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rfcea195d63c1 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.HZ.xml.in: add org.freesmartphone.GSM.HZ.xml.in |
| 15:02.43 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r3c75db82af87 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.xml.in: specify errors and improve docs |
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| 15:05.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4558 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (opkg_install.c pkg.c pkg_extract.c): |
| 15:05.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: opkg: balance the installed_files reference count |
| 15:05.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: reducing some memory leaks |
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| 15:12.55 | spydon | wow I made a successful app for openmoko that does what its supposed to do :O |
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| 15:13.38 | Chocky | :o |
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| 15:16.21 | spydon | Chocky, a forkbomb ;) |
| 15:16.34 | spydon | it did what it was supposed to do ^^ |
| 15:17.38 | Chocky | main: |
| 15:17.41 | Chocky | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.43 | Chocky | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.46 | Chocky | .end |
| 15:17.54 | Chocky | f33r my ARM skillz. |
| 15:18.09 | spydon | hehe I did it in python instead :P |
| 15:24.25 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r996666b4d5f3 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): ogpsd: Make use of the python logging module |
| 15:25.18 | CVirus | while True: |
| 15:25.24 | CVirus | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.27 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r9f4f98fcc207 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in: specify errors and enhance documentation |
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| 15:34.21 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rb0f1bbe86193 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.xml.in: add error spec |
| 15:35.50 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rbaa60da3ab02 10/otapi/xhtml/ (5 files): otapi: regenerate xhtml docs |
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| 15:54.15 | cesarb | Great, I cannot find one branch which works on qemu |
| 15:54.30 | cesarb | Tried asu.dev, it stays stuck repeating forever NAND debug junk |
| 15:55.10 | cesarb | Tried org.openmoko.dev (the old 2007.2 image), it doesn't even boot (gets back to uboot after I tell it to boot) |
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| 15:56.19 | ryansv | Hi guys, I need some help repairing my neo, I just ran an opkg upgrade and now it hangs on boot. The phone will just stay at the loading screen indefinitely |
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| 15:57.50 | ryansv | I can get into the NOR boot menu, but when I set the console to usb it brings me to the page, but that crashes and brings me back to the main menu after 5 seconds |
| 15:58.53 | niap | ryansv, yeah kernel-upgrade is brokem |
| 15:59.12 | niap | just load a kernel-flash via dfu and it will work again |
| 15:59.17 | filthpig | is there some milestone to when the freerunner should be running stable? |
| 15:59.30 | Chocky | "when it's ready" :o |
| 15:59.48 | ryansv | When I try boot from NOR menu, I get Wrong Image Format for bootm command / ERROR can't get kernel image |
| 16:00.00 | ryansv | Unfortunately I'm unable to connect via usb |
| 16:00.08 | Chocky | try NAND |
| 16:00.36 | niap | ryansv, why are you unable to connect via USB? |
| 16:02.08 | ryansv | niap: When I go into NOR or NAND boot menus and select "Set console to serial" it brings me to the press aux to return page then goes back to the main menu after 2 seconds |
| 16:02.19 | ryansv | sorry, "set console to usb" |
| 16:02.23 | Chocky | don't worry about that. reflash like niap says. |
| 16:02.35 | mmontour | ryansv: that's normal. "Set console to XXX" just changes some environment variables. |
| 16:02.36 | niap | ryansv, just stay in the boot menu |
| 16:02.40 | niap | dont select anything |
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| 16:03.50 | ryansv | ok, tried that, but I still can't connect: "sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 --- > SIOCSIFADDR: No such device usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device" |
| 16:04.03 | Chocky | no, not that |
| 16:04.31 | Chocky | networking won't exist until you boot Linux. follow the reflash with dfu-util |
| 16:04.52 | ryansv | Chocky: sorry, still getting used to my device here, haven't tried flashing yet, but I'll take a look at the wiki page |
| 16:04.58 | Chocky | ok :o |
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| 16:05.14 | Chocky | I could point that out on the USB networking page, since it's not immediately obvious. |
| 16:05.23 | niap | yeah i think so too |
| 16:05.37 | ryansv | chocky: any help would be appreciated :) |
| 16:05.39 | Chocky | and I've had problems with my FR upsetting my desktop USB |
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| 16:08.24 | ryansv | hey, what does the final line "No such alternate setting: kernel" mean? |
| 16:08.26 | ryansv | sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin |
| 16:08.26 | ryansv | dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. |
| 16:08.26 | ryansv | This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY |
| 16:08.26 | ryansv | Opening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000... |
| 16:08.27 | ryansv | Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... |
| 16:08.29 | ryansv | Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0 |
| 16:08.31 | ryansv | Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request... |
| 16:08.33 | ryansv | Resetting USB... |
| 16:08.35 | ryansv | Opening USB Device... |
| 16:08.37 | ryansv | No such Alternate Setting: "kernel" |
| 16:11.07 | |Marco| | has there been any mention about long sms's ? ones that end up in 2 messages? I got a few now, on my nokia it merges them together, but not on the moko |
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| 16:15.08 | loonyxp | Hello, I have a Freerunner. I cannot get Internet over USB, I have tried the instructions of the wiki, but it doesn't work. I have Ubuntu... anybody here who can help? |
| 16:16.15 | Yashy | loonyxp: try this http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner |
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| 16:16.43 | loonyxp | Yashy: thanks, I'll take a look at it |
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| 16:19.48 | Chocky | Yashy: unhelpful |
| 16:20.10 | Chocky | that is non-openmoko instructions which have not been checked and are far from incomplete |
| 16:20.23 | Chocky | loonyxp: unless we know what "doesn't work" we can't help you. |
| 16:20.52 | Chocky | s/incomplete/complete/ |
| 16:22.00 | Chocky | and frankly, it's unhelful and selfish for you to keep posting them. |
| 16:22.19 | loonyxp | Chocky: I can ssh into the freerunner (but only when I add "up route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0" to /etc/network/interfaces Everything I tried from the wiki to forward the requests from the openmoko to the connected Ubuntu machine fails (i.e. I cannot ping an internetaddress, not www.google.com and not a real ip address) |
| 16:22.42 | Chocky | loonyxp: why are you adding that at all? |
| 16:22.56 | Chocky | there's no mention in the wiki of that. |
| 16:23.17 | loonyxp | because without it i cannot ssh into the openmoko and yes, it is mentioned on the discussion page |
| 16:23.18 | Chocky | please follow through, step by step, the instructions, and tell us at what point it fails |
| 16:23.28 | Chocky | the discussion page is full of moose. |
| 16:23.59 | Chocky | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 16:24.14 | Chocky | this is the page. follow through the manual section exactly. |
| 16:25.04 | loonyxp | Chocky: I follwoed the instructions, I tried that for days now. If you are not able to ask specific questions and cannot help me then please don't answer. It does not make sense to discuss that I should follwo the instructions, because I said that I did that. |
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| 16:25.33 | Chocky | I _can_ help you. I wrote that page. but it's _imperetive_ you follow the instructions exactly and tell us at which point it fails |
| 16:25.51 | Yashy | loonyxp: Ignore him and his attitude, he's a troll. Try the steps I mentioned, they are easier and just work. |
| 16:26.02 | loonyxp | Chocky: Please reread my answers: I did tell you at which point it fails |
| 16:26.14 | Chocky | loonyxp: the route add command is not part of the instructions |
| 16:26.41 | Chocky | which part of the manual instructions fails? |
| 16:26.54 | Chocky | please ignore yashy and his private non moko wiki. it is incomplete and inaccurate. |
| 16:27.07 | pjz | loonyxp: after you plug in the freerunner and do the ifconfig usb0, is there a route to 192.168.0.0/24 in your routing table? |
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| 16:27.20 | Chocky | plz: sigh. |
| 16:27.36 | Chocky | we will just go in circles like this. |
| 16:27.38 | loonyxp | Chocky: Without the "route add" command I cannot ssh into the openmoko. I already mentioned that. |
| 16:28.16 | pjz | loonyxp: when you do the ifconfig usb0 or ifup usb0, that should automatically add the route to the phone |
| 16:28.26 | pjz | loonyxp: hence our suprise that you need to do an explicit add |
| 16:28.44 | SpeedEvil | Kernel 2.4 diddn't do that. |
| 16:28.45 | Chocky | loonyxp: then I must conclude that you are, in fact, not following the instructions. Again, at which point do the instructions fail you? |
| 16:28.55 | pjz | SpeedEvil: good point |
| 16:29.01 | pjz | loonyxp: what kernel version are you running? |
| 16:29.05 | SpeedEvil | pjz: but probably not relevant :) |
| 16:29.15 | pjz | SpeedEvil: you never know :) |
| 16:30.06 | Chocky | never mind. there's too many people "helping" here. |
| 16:30.06 | loonyxp | pjz: yes, this is a surprise to me to, but without it doesn't work at all (ssh into freerunner). Okay, I will now just copy and paste from the wiki, go through the steps again and then tell you again, whats not working. BTW: I use Kubuntu (which is like Ubuntu from the network side), so I am using Kernel 2.6 |
| 16:30.14 | Chocky | I will go back to my own work. |
| 16:30.42 | pjz | loonyxp: how are you giving usb0 an IP address? via /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:30.56 | loonyxp | Chocky: Glad that you understand what "Community" means |
| 16:31.08 | loonyxp | pjz: yes |
| 16:31.14 | Chocky | loonyxp: glad you have no clue about following instructions. |
| 16:31.37 | Chocky | you came in here and said it "didn't work" then ignored my questions. sorry, you fail. |
| 16:31.46 | pjz | loonyxp: so after you assign it in there, do you do an 'ifup --force usb0' ? or how do you make the usb interface be configured? |
| 16:32.19 | loonyxp | pjz: ifdown and ifup or just disconnect the device and plug it in again |
| 16:32.23 | Chocky | pjz: TBH, I think you're making it far more complex than it needs to be. |
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| 16:32.56 | pjz | Chocky: some people like explanations more than just directions. |
| 16:33.07 | Chocky | yes, but you're doing it completely backwards |
| 16:33.13 | Chocky | you don't know what his IPs, are, etc. |
| 16:33.22 | Chocky | and the page contains some quite detailed explations. |
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| 16:33.46 | loonyxp | This is my /etc/network/interfacesauto usb0iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 & up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward & up iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT & up route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0 down iptables -D POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 & |
| 16:33.47 | pjz | Chocky: if you want to do it, feel free, but I thought you had given up |
| 16:34.02 | Chocky | well, you know best. |
| 16:34.34 | Chocky | but ultimately, none of this helps anyone else with improved USB networking instructioons. |
| 16:34.36 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r83a6d18e7138 10/src/zhone: use the first free index when storing contacts |
| 16:34.37 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r558f6349b5fc 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): allow dialing '+' via multitap |
| 16:35.08 | loonyxp | pjz: and my router has 192.168.0.1, my Ubuntu machine has 192.168.0.34 and 192.168.0.200 (dev usb0) and 192.168.0.202 is the freerunner... |
| 16:35.30 | johngay | Chocky: Hate to say this but your 'assistance' technique is rather poor. |
| 16:35.43 | Chocky | johncylee: tough shit. |
| 16:35.57 | Chocky | if he'd answerd my questions exxactly, we'd have long since had an answer |
| 16:36.07 | Chocky | now we _finally_ have the IPs. |
| 16:36.15 | Chocky | and so the solution should be simple. |
| 16:36.24 | johngay | I understand what you're saying, but your not being helpful. |
| 16:36.34 | Chocky | johngay: my helpful? |
| 16:36.49 | Chocky | correct. I've been blocked from being helpful by yashy. |
| 16:37.01 | johngay | Obviously he doesn't understand your line of reasoning, and abusing him doesn't help any. |
| 16:37.13 | loonyxp | Come on people, please don't discuss these matters... I am really thankful for any help... so lets just stay on topic here... |
| 16:37.24 | tkep | ...sigh.... |
| 16:37.35 | Chocky | johngay: you and he started the abuse, thanks. |
| 16:38.03 | johngay | I didn't start abuse, I'm offering constructive criticism. |
| 16:38.08 | loonyxp | Chocky: If I offended you, then please accept my apology... |
| 16:38.18 | Chocky | loonyxp: not offended, just annoyed. |
| 16:38.35 | loonyxp | So, all... What information do you need to help me out of my problem? |
| 16:39.14 | johngay | Thats why you should take a moment to calm down, see what info does help him. |
| 16:39.39 | kd8ikt | mornin |
| 16:40.01 | Chocky | try ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.248 |
| 16:40.19 | tkep | morning |
| 16:40.34 | loonyxp | Chocky: with or without /etc/network/interfaces entries from the wiki? |
| 16:40.38 | pjz | loonyxp: okay, see, the problem is that your ethernet interface is on the same block as the usb interface |
| 16:40.43 | Chocky | don't change anything on the FR |
| 16:40.45 | kd8ikt | why's everyone pms'ing |
| 16:40.57 | tkep | the usual i guess? |
| 16:41.08 | loonyxp | Chocky: I won't, I promise |
| 16:41.20 | kd8ikt | yeah suspend gets under myskin too |
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| 16:41.40 | loonyxp | pjz: whats the solution for that? |
| 16:41.43 | pjz | loonyxp: change the netmask to be 255.255.255.248 in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:41.44 | Chocky | I see how I can expand the ping about ssh on the wiki. |
| 16:41.52 | loonyxp | Chocky: please be patient, I am trying your command |
| 16:42.12 | Chocky | pjz: there's no need to change FR. it's sufficient to change the routing on the desktop. |
| 16:42.37 | pjz | Chocky: hthat's what I meat, on the desktop, not the FR |
| 16:42.56 | Chocky | yes, but don't change any desktop files _either_ until you can manually configure it. |
| 16:43.03 | loonyxp | Chocky: ok, this is the output of netstat -rl: 192.168.0.200 * 255.255.255.248 U 0 0 0 usb0 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 169.254.0.0 * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 16:43.25 | Chocky | can you ping 192.168.0.202 from desktop? |
| 16:43.25 | loonyxp | Chocky: should I ssh into freerunner and try internet? |
| 16:43.33 | loonyxp | Chocky: w8 |
| 16:43.41 | Chocky | if you can, then you should be able to ssh |
| 16:43.43 | loonyxp | Chocky: yep |
| 16:43.53 | kd8ikt | i was having ifconfig usb0 problems lastnight aswell, think my usb mouse was the culprit, ifconfig usb0 (nosuch dev) |
| 16:44.06 | loonyxp | Ok, so ssh works (as before :) ) |
| 16:44.15 | Chocky | kd8ikt: FR upsets my desktop USB sometimes. not sure if it's related to dfu-util doing something. |
| 16:44.30 | pjz | Chocky: nah, fix the mask in the desktop /etc/network/interfaces first, then ifup --force usb0 |
| 16:45.20 | Chocky | loonyxp: now follow rest of instructions in "Testing your connection" |
| 16:45.21 | loonyxp | Chocky: Ok, it works, I can ping www.google.com from ssh (freerunner) now |
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| 16:45.26 | Chocky | good. |
| 16:45.30 | loonyxp | Thanks a lot! |
| 16:45.34 | Chocky | pjz: it's not required. |
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| 16:45.53 | Chocky | loonyxp: now the "make it permanent bit" |
| 16:46.42 | loonyxp | I aded it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:46.53 | loonyxp | Chocky: this should be enough, I think |
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| 16:47.23 | kd8ikt | i fixed my wpa_supplicant.conf lastnight and added /etc/init.d/wlan and now it auto connects to my prefered net on bootup ;) yay wpa2 psk |
| 16:47.56 | loonyxp | Chocky, pjz: thanks for your help! bye! |
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| 16:51.18 | johngay | Glad to see that sorted. |
| 16:51.42 | Chocky | see what happens when we follow instructions? |
| 16:52.33 | johngay | And what happens when you start listening? (= |
| 16:52.41 | Chocky | I was listening all along. |
| 16:52.54 | Chocky | but I can't listen to information I don't get. |
| 16:53.08 | Chocky | and making assumptions is a good way to get everyone confused. |
| 16:53.23 | johngay | Let me make this clear. I fully support your aims, it's just your manner kinda gets in the way. |
| 16:53.29 | Chocky | uh huh |
| 16:53.56 | tkep | damn, i remember why i never step in #linux or #fedora or #debian anymore |
| 16:54.00 | Chocky | let me make this clear - I've been helping people a long long time. I know that conflicting information and reports of "don't work" help no one, take longer and leave everyone annoyed |
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| 16:54.32 | damunix | hi all |
| 16:54.43 | Chocky | I know that the rewrite of the USB page is imperfect, but it's a whole lot better than it was. But I won't be upstaged by the pansy Yashy with his half-arsed information |
| 16:54.59 | tkep | jeeeeze |
| 16:55.04 | tkep | let's play nice children |
| 16:55.08 | johngay | Everyone makes assumtions. Obviously he made one about needing to add a route manually. |
| 16:55.40 | kd8ikt | john are you gay? |
| 16:55.47 | Chocky | certainly, and that wasn't his fault. I've now removed that stuff. But it's important to answer the questions. |
| 16:56.13 | Chocky | but that wasn't my implications in mentioning assumptions. I was referring to myself not trying to make any. |
| 16:56.15 | johngay | Asking him calmly why he did that would have been much more helpfull that repeating "Follow the directions! Follow the directions! Follow the directions! " |
| 16:56.29 | Chocky | johngay: except I didn't say that. |
| 16:56.49 | johngay | Thats the way you came across. |
| 16:56.50 | Chocky | you can critique me all you want, but unless you're in the hot seat, it's just air. |
| 16:57.00 | Chocky | bully for you. |
| 16:57.19 | johngay | Thats why I said you needed to calm down. |
| 16:57.54 | Chocky | uh huh. |
| 16:58.05 | johngay | Your frustration was coming across as hostile. And I know that wasn't your intention. |
| 16:58.10 | tkep | i get paid to support linux...anyone want some tips :) |
| 16:58.12 | Chocky | give it a rest. |
| 16:58.16 | Chocky | you have no idea. |
| 16:58.18 | tkep | i'll gladly dole em out! |
| 16:58.20 | tkep | :) |
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| 16:58.30 | kd8ikt | whew i ned to make some evolution filters/actions i signed up to almost every openmoko mailing list and now i'm getting 100's of email |
| 16:58.52 | kd8ikt | and they arent what i expected |
| 16:58.57 | Chocky | tkep: from RH - no thanks :p |
| 16:59.03 | slurpster | gentlemen, chocky and johngay, miscommunication is an ugly thing on irc...its very simple to say "DOH...perhaps from another point of view it was not what I intended." |
| 16:59.16 | Chocky | Ah, everyone has an opinion. |
| 16:59.23 | kd8ikt | more or less like loonyxp OMG HELP ME WHAT BUTTON TURNS ON MY PHONE! |
| 16:59.39 | tkep | lol, rh, i'd hate to work for such a terrible company...... :-) |
| 17:01.09 | kd8ikt | anyone use evolution email religiously? i told it to remember my passwpord but everycheckup it still pops up a pw window and makes me click "ok?!" |
| 17:01.25 | kd8ikt | even though my password is in it |
| 17:01.42 | pjz | nah, I'm oldschool, I use thunderbird and an IMAP server |
| 17:01.57 | Chocky | oldskool is POP3 |
| 17:02.05 | tkep | i use it on my lappy, but thunderbird at work. i like to use evolution more, but it is kinda buggy at times for real work |
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| 17:02.20 | tkep | kd8ikt, i don't have that issue though |
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| 17:02.34 | kd8ikt | guess mines b0rked |
| 17:03.15 | tkep | wanna give me some information on your setup? |
| 17:03.17 | tkep | version? |
| 17:03.39 | kd8ikt | 2.22.3.1 |
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| 17:04.34 | tkep | kd8ikt, one sec, i might have to getback with you |
| 17:04.35 | tkep | call at work |
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| 17:13.12 | johngay | Chocky: nice work on the wiki, BTW. |
| 17:13.58 | johngay | Uh oh! Thunder! I've gotta log off before I loose power. FPL suck. )= |
| 17:14.52 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 17:15.24 | kd8ikt | i really should hookup a temp backup power supply to my modem/routers |
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| 17:17.27 | SpeedEvil | has a router with a 12V car battery floated in parallel with the input. |
| 17:18.07 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 17:18.28 | kd8ikt | hey i heard your selling cap's and screen condoms |
| 17:18.42 | kd8ikt | you're |
| 17:18.42 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 17:19.07 | kiba-kun | Isn't Freerunner supposed to be in stock on July 25? |
| 17:19.18 | kd8ikt | hows the cap mod perform? any significant advantage to having it |
| 17:19.27 | SpeedEvil | I have no idea. |
| 17:19.30 | SpeedEvil | Not having one. |
| 17:20.31 | kd8ikt | hm well i know a lil local electronics store that should have some surface mount cap's i might give it a shot |
| 17:20.47 | SpeedEvil | 0402 are unlikely to be stocked. |
| 17:21.49 | kd8ikt | just any 10pF wont work? |
| 17:22.00 | SpeedEvil | that's the size in the mod |
| 17:22.14 | SpeedEvil | Any size other than 0402 won't fit well. |
| 17:23.29 | kd8ikt | so 0402 is like really small compared to garden variety suface mount components? |
| 17:25.59 | Chocky | yes, 0.8mm :o |
| 17:26.26 | kd8ikt | heh yeah wiki is telling me it is the smallest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-mount_technology#Package_sizes |
| 17:27.27 | kd8ikt | .008 |
| 17:27.39 | hari | is anybody using python on the gta2? |
| 17:29.43 | cjb | yes |
| 17:30.01 | cjb | there's the gta02.py script for testing LEDs/accelerometers |
| 17:30.50 | kd8ikt | ieatlint's http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/leds.py |
| 17:30.51 | Hobart | is there a blog or wiki page I should keep an eye on for an update when a GUI wifi-setup app makes it to the nightly builds? |
| 17:31.18 | kd8ikt | http://lint-wifi.projects.openmoko.org/ |
| 17:31.48 | kd8ikt | dunno if it'll ever get into the opkg repo |
| 17:32.09 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Lint-wifi |
| 17:32.13 | EmKay8 | Anyone knows how to change the password on the Freerunner if is has been changed to something you don't know :S |
| 17:32.14 | kd8ikt | w00t link madness! |
| 17:32.26 | kd8ikt | use the terminal on the moko? |
| 17:32.33 | EmKay8 | and type what? |
| 17:32.36 | kd8ikt | passwd |
| 17:32.46 | Hobart | kd8ikt -> thank you! |
| 17:32.50 | kd8ikt | then enter a bunch of times to reset it to nothing |
| 17:33.05 | Chocky | hax! |
| 17:33.13 | kd8ikt | heh howd that guy ever get a moko? |
| 17:33.25 | Chocky | what guy? |
| 17:33.46 | kd8ikt | cmon how can you not know how to change passord |
| 17:34.01 | Chocky | actually, it's not a very obvious command |
| 17:34.16 | EmKay8 | Cause i'm noob :P |
| 17:34.18 | Chocky | who knows how he changed it. |
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| 17:34.41 | kd8ikt | nothit |
| 17:34.58 | EmKay8 | I didn't change it.. Someone else did.. Thats the problem.. But I think i figured it out now.. |
| 17:35.04 | EmKay8 | Thanks kd8ikt :P |
| 17:35.23 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 17:36.00 | kd8ikt | i think i lost my headphones, or my cat ate em |
| 17:36.47 | ab0oo | stick the cat's tail in the headphone jack and see what happens. |
| 17:36.56 | Chocky | meow. |
| 17:37.08 | ab0oo | you'd look pretty funny walking down the street with a cat wrapped around your head |
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| 17:37.55 | ab0oo | of course, I don't know you, so you might just look funny walking down the street, period. |
| 17:37.55 | Chocky | and you'd look like a poser with an iPhone - what's your point? |
| 17:38.06 | ieatlint | you try and shove the cat's tail into anything and you'll walk down the street covered in scratches |
| 17:38.08 | Chocky | it's certainly possible. |
| 17:38.54 | ab0oo | ieatlint: good point |
| 17:39.03 | hari | cjb, kd8ikt thanks |
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| 17:41.04 | hari | ieatlint, thank you for the hint with the battery, took the BL-5C from the nokia gps, worked like a charm |
| 17:41.22 | ieatlint | glad to hear it |
| 17:41.27 | ieatlint | you've a backup now too :P |
| 17:42.05 | hari | yeah :-) |
| 17:42.15 | kd8ikt | i think i need to tweak with alsa states cause when i plug in the headphones(found em) and place a call it has unbearable noise |
| 17:43.21 | ieatlint | that's called your voice |
| 17:43.59 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 17:44.03 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 17:44.49 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: did you solve your problem ? |
| 17:44.58 | ieatlint | no, but i did try and sleep |
| 17:45.10 | Ainulindale | That's fine too |
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| 17:45.34 | ieatlint | i confirmed it wasn't the keyboard applet |
| 17:45.45 | ieatlint | as per the wiki, to get the full size keyboard, i installed 3 packages |
| 17:46.07 | Ainulindale | Why is it a confirmation of some sort ? |
| 17:46.12 | ieatlint | to enable the show/hide taskbar thingy, i merely added "keyboard" to a line in /etc/matchbox/session |
| 17:46.23 | kd8ikt | yeah i got awoken by a phonecall |
| 17:46.26 | Ainulindale | You should try without, just to be sure |
| 17:46.36 | ieatlint | i did remove it |
| 17:46.38 | kd8ikt | probably only had like 5hrs of sleep |
| 17:46.47 | ieatlint | later today i'll re-flash the rootfs |
| 17:46.53 | Ainulindale | Ok |
| 17:46.58 | ieatlint | but i leave in 10min for a soccer game |
| 17:47.07 | Ainulindale | Heh, these youngsters ! |
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| 17:57.13 | Jaymus | Hello World - Anyone have any idea what's in the pipe for the next revision of the OpenMoko? I love the philosophy of this phone, but honestly I don't really want to buy it until there's a version of it built around the Intel Atom or another x86 embedded cpu. Thoughts? |
| 17:57.31 | EmKay8 | When I try to ssh into my Neo I get this: WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! Add correct host key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. |
| 17:57.38 | EmKay8 | What to do? :S |
| 17:57.46 | EmKay8 | RSA host key for 10.11.12.13 has changed and you have requested strict checking. Host key verification failed. |
| 17:57.50 | Jaymus | Meh, firstly, not a big deal |
| 17:58.10 | Jaymus | To "fix" that, one approach is to remove the ~/.ssh/known_hosts file |
| 17:58.19 | Jaymus | it'll just get re-created |
| 17:58.33 | EmKay8 | Okay then.. How to do that then :P |
| 17:58.37 | hari | Jaymus, why would one want that crappy instructions set in an embedded device? |
| 17:59.16 | Jaymus | lol.. Well, it could be the crappiest instruction set in the world hari, but the fact of the matter is, there's a TON of x86 software out there |
| 17:59.24 | Jaymus | leveraging that would be extremely prudent |
| 17:59.29 | kd8ikt | rm ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 17:59.30 | Jaymus | EmKay8..... |
| 17:59.33 | Jaymus | yeah |
| 17:59.38 | Jaymus | exactly what kd8int said |
| 17:59.39 | hari | Jaymus, so you want to run which desktop software on your phone? |
| 18:00.01 | cjb | Jaymus: People don't use x86 in embedded devices because it requires many chips and sucks power like nothing else. |
| 18:00.04 | hari | Jaymus, (that can't be recompiled) |
| 18:00.19 | EmKay8 | But I still get the warning.. Even though the file doesn't exist anymore :S |
| 18:00.24 | kd8ikt | i think he just doesnt want to crosscompile |
| 18:00.26 | cjb | Jaymus: (north bridge, south bridge, etc. The ARM architecture is often a single chip, and a fraction of the power draw.) |
| 18:00.35 | Jaymus | Well, I want the option to levarage innovation that occurs in the x86 space. So. I COULD tell you things I'd like to use now, but the whole point of it is that new innovation for x86 that doesn't exist yet could be used |
| 18:01.05 | cjb | Jaymus: you don't get to pick and choose. if you choose x86, then you also choose four hours of battery life. you probably don't want to choose four hours of battery life. |
| 18:01.06 | hari | muahaha.. innovations and x86 in the same sentence.. sorry, that instruction set is full of crap and legacy |
| 18:01.09 | niap | Jaymus, what innovation? the whole idea of x86 is legacy... |
| 18:01.12 | kd8ikt | cjb saw ya on tango! |
| 18:01.14 | Jaymus | Yeah, the whole point of the Intel Atom is to bring x86 to embedded devices. I'm pretty sure it's an SoC, but I could be mistaken |
| 18:01.37 | Jaymus | wow... |
| 18:01.41 | niap | Jaymus, Atoms power consumption is still a magnitude above lean risc |
| 18:01.45 | hari | the arm is a very nice architecture.. in my eyes if fits the bill pretty much at the moment |
| 18:01.46 | niap | archs |
| 18:02.01 | cjb | that's true, Atom is a legitimate attempt. to be frank, my answer to how to get good power draw on x86 is still "well, I wouldn't start here to get there". |
| 18:02.40 | Jaymus | Not entirely sure what you mean cjb |
| 18:02.53 | Jaymus | What CPU does the openmoko use? PXA something? |
| 18:03.00 | niap | Samsung ARM |
| 18:03.02 | cjb | No, it's an ARM. |
| 18:03.07 | Jaymus | Cool.. Okay.. |
| 18:03.16 | Jaymus | I wonder what it's power usage is.. |
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| 18:03.20 | niap | cjb, xscale is in certain way arm too |
| 18:03.45 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: in low power mode, the neo1973 uses .3W - total. |
| 18:04.04 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: that's the CPU running at 50MHz. |
| 18:04.10 | cjb | Jaymus: I just mean that slimming down an x86 is still kind of a losing proposition. The right answer is not to use a 1980s architecture. |
| 18:04.11 | Jaymus | Now be nice to me, I'm learning here, so I'm not trying to dictate what's best, but rather what seems best to me. So I expect you guys to put forth your conflicting (and possibly more "correct" ideas) - which I think you are. |
| 18:04.29 | cjb | Jaymus: yup, don't mean to be nasty :) |
| 18:04.40 | *** part/#openmoko jfrousval (n=jfrousva@ARouen-152-1-26-226.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:04.43 | cjb | your original statement assumed that you can just pick an instruction set without consequence, to me |
| 18:04.46 | Jaymus | It's cool, you don't sound nasty either |
| 18:04.50 | kd8ikt | Advanced or Acorn, RISC (Reduced Instruction Set Computing), Machine |
| 18:04.55 | cjb | and if that were true, of course everyone would choose x86. it's very much not true. :) |
| 18:04.58 | Jaymus | well, I'm aware that there are definitely power implications |
| 18:05.41 | Jaymus | However, from reading little press releases (yes, not that much perspective) I figured that maybe the Atom was indeed very close to the ARM, MIPS, whatever chips that seem to be used all over |
| 18:05.55 | niap | Jaymus, i recommend you go to arstechnica they have quiet useful texts about different architectures and even some about atom |
| 18:05.56 | Jaymus | Here's a totally NUTS idea...... |
| 18:06.00 | tkep | kd8ikt, back, sorry for the wait |
| 18:06.06 | tkep | cluster issues take a while :( |
| 18:06.13 | Jaymus | (Thanks niap) |
| 18:06.14 | pazante | hi anyone now what to type in tangogps in the field GPSD Host |
| 18:06.25 | SpeedEvil | maps.google.com |
| 18:06.27 | pazante | Is it /dev/ttySAC1? |
| 18:06.29 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 18:06.32 | mmaestri | someone knows where to download wifi-lint? |
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| 18:06.41 | tkep | kd8ikt, what was that version again? |
| 18:06.41 | SpeedEvil | localhost |
| 18:06.43 | jcazor | hi |
| 18:06.44 | niap | pazante, 127.0.0.1? |
| 18:06.45 | mmaestri | lint-wifi |
| 18:06.46 | SpeedEvil | should work |
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| 18:07.03 | SpeedEvil | you need to setup gpsd to read from /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 18:07.04 | Jaymus | cjb: My Nintendo DS has TWO cpus in it.. One older ARM chip for compatability with their previous generation of games and a newer one for the DS games.... |
| 18:07.21 | tkep | the ds rocks. |
| 18:07.23 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: that of course adds costs. |
| 18:07.25 | jcazor | anyone knows if the fso images are available daily for de gta01? |
| 18:07.37 | pazante | it says no GPS found |
| 18:07.39 | Jaymus | cjb: Could it be possible to have both an ARM and an x86 embedded chip? |
| 18:07.58 | kd8ikt | tkep: 2.22.3.1 |
| 18:08.00 | Jaymus | cjb: Sure it adds costs and more points of failure |
| 18:08.07 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: adds _lots_ of cost. |
| 18:08.07 | Jaymus | cjb: understood |
| 18:08.13 | Jaymus | cjb: ohh? |
| 18:08.23 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: I'd be surprised if it added under $50 cost - $100 sticker. |
| 18:08.25 | Jaymus | speedEvil: Yeah, like double or something? |
| 18:08.29 | kd8ikt | SpeedEvil ::1 |
| 18:08.41 | kd8ikt | <-- loves ipv6 |
| 18:08.56 | tkep | kd8ikt, ubuntu user ? |
| 18:08.58 | Jaymus | speedevil: See, this is great conversation. I have no freaking knowledge of these types of implications.. |
| 18:09.07 | Jaymus | speedevil, cjb: Thank you guys - seriously. |
| 18:09.18 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 18:09.20 | kd8ikt | tkep: |
| 18:09.28 | tkep | figured, i'm running the same without issue. |
| 18:09.41 | kd8ikt | like if anyone wants they can ping6 my moko 2001:470:1f11:c7:212:cfff:fe8f:347b |
| 18:09.48 | SpeedEvil | Ballpark numbers - +-50% |
| 18:09.49 | tkep | imap or pop? |
| 18:09.53 | tkep | kd8ikt, ^^ |
| 18:09.54 | kd8ikt | pop |
| 18:09.58 | pjz | I think it would be cool to have an fpga in GTA0N |
| 18:10.02 | pazante | SpeedEvil: like this "echo "GPS_DEV=\"/dev/ttySAC1\"" > /etc/default/gpsd"? |
| 18:10.03 | tkep | ok, so there's a difference thus far |
| 18:10.04 | cjb | haha |
| 18:10.14 | cjb | pjz: FPGA's are *huge* power hogs. |
| 18:10.14 | SpeedEvil | pazante: I haven't configured gpsd |
| 18:10.21 | kd8ikt | i give up its not a huge issue i just have to click a button every so often |
| 18:10.27 | tkep | and has this been a problem since befor ethe evolution updates a few weeks ago? |
| 18:10.36 | kd8ikt | nah always been like that |
| 18:10.38 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: no I can't. |
| 18:10.39 | pjz | cjb: good point, but is that alwas or only when reprogramming? |
| 18:10.43 | cjb | We actually put one in the first betas of the OLPC, because we hadn't finished the silicon for that chip yet. Battery life suffered tremendously. |
| 18:10.48 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: can you fix my network? |
| 18:10.53 | thewtex | kd8ikt: working on alsamixer settings page on the wiki 'Neo alsamixer' please help if you are working on alamixer settings and anyone else who want to too |
| 18:10.57 | tkep | i would assume it's your server settings then...but you are sure the pw is stored? |
| 18:10.57 | cjb | pjz: always, I think. |
| 18:11.05 | pjz | cjb: ah, I see |
| 18:11.10 | kd8ikt | cant ping6 my moko? |
| 18:11.11 | EmKay | I still get the "Host key verification failed. " |
| 18:11.21 | EmKay | Anyone know about this? |
| 18:11.27 | pjz | cjb: another thing I was thinking was that iwbn to switch to static ram or something |
| 18:11.28 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: ping6 says net unreachable |
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| 18:11.38 | ab0oo | EmKay: where are you, and where are you trying to SSH to? |
| 18:11.42 | pjz | EmKay: that's because you switched distros or something such that the ssh key of your phone chnaged |
| 18:11.48 | kd8ikt | rm ~/.ssh/known_hosts EmKay then ssh root@openmoko |
| 18:11.54 | pjz | EmKay: what kd8ikt said |
| 18:11.59 | ab0oo | the easiest solution is to run ssh-keygen -R <ip or hostname of the machine that is "rejecting" you> |
| 18:12.04 | *** join/#openmoko sitwon (n=adam@pool-71-178-171-238.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 18:12.08 | thewtex | EmKay: see the wiki page on USB networking |
| 18:12.14 | Chocky | there's stuff on the USB networking page, but it's not 100% complete. |
| 18:12.20 | Jaymus | speedevil, cjb: What about speed - is there reasonably a ton of room for speedup with the Freerunner solely in code optimizations - or is the CPU the bigger bottleneck? |
| 18:12.36 | EmKay | But I did that.. The known_hosts file does not exist on my desktop |
| 18:12.37 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: code optimisations are totally possible. |
| 18:12.42 | tunys | Are there still 850's left? |
| 18:12.42 | Chocky | Jaymus: lots of improvements to be done cf gfx chip - glamo |
| 18:12.44 | thewtex | EmKay: if you rm~/.ssh/known_hosts, then you will delete the fingerprints for _all_ the hosts you have ssh'd into |
| 18:12.47 | kd8ikt | really SpeedEvil i think your stuff is broke http://www.berkom.blazing.de/tools/ping.cgi?STR=2001%3A470%3A1f11%3Ac7%3A212%3Acfff%3Afe8f%3A347b |
| 18:12.53 | Chocky | tunys: right now, no. there will be. |
| 18:12.54 | EmKay | hang on.. |
| 18:12.59 | tunys | Chocky: thanks |
| 18:13.12 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: consider that you can run fullscreen DOOM at 25fps VGA on a P100 class CPU - which the FR is. |
| 18:13.14 | tunys | I finally convinced my parents to get me a FreeRunner after a trip to OSCON |
| 18:13.27 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: that's why I said fix my network. |
| 18:13.32 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 18:13.38 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: I haven't bothered getting 6 working |
| 18:13.44 | Chocky | no point having both x86 and ARM. Better to have just x86 (much faster) and emulate ARM using JIT. that'll be just as fast as a real ARM |
| 18:13.48 | kd8ikt | no i will not fix your computer lolz |
| 18:13.53 | kd8ikt | what broker are you using? |
| 18:14.01 | kd8ikt | uses he.net |
| 18:14.11 | SpeedEvil | I broke all my computers. |
| 18:14.32 | kd8ikt | something wouldnt compile? so you took a hammer to them? |
| 18:14.33 | Chocky | SpeedEvil: FR's CPU is more comparible to a P233. But cross CPU comparisons are rough. |
| 18:14.45 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: I disagree. |
| 18:14.45 | Jaymus | SpeedEvil: I'm just concerned with getting this thing more zippy - so I'm curious what's standing between now and the kind of eye candy we see with the iPhone/iPod Touch// |
| 18:14.55 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: the vastly smaller cache really hurts. |
| 18:14.57 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: oh |
| 18:14.58 | Chocky | as you wish, but I've been using ARM and x86 for a long, long, long time. |
| 18:14.59 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: FR, yes |
| 18:15.08 | EmKay | Ok then.. Now it says that my password is incorrect when I try to ssh into my neo from my ubuntu. But I just changed it to be blank :S |
| 18:15.19 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: iphone has hardware accel as I understand it that actually works. |
| 18:15.22 | Jaymus | Chocky: I suggested having both so that when not wanting to leverage some great x86 goodness, one can use the lower powered ARM chip |
| 18:15.34 | kd8ikt | try passwd again on the moko EmKay |
| 18:15.43 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: also it adds horribleness. |
| 18:15.57 | Chocky | Jaymus: well, it wouldn't be "lower power" if it had x86, and it would be a manufaturing nightmare. Plus the ARM emulation works right now. |
| 18:15.58 | Jaymus | SpeedEvil: What do you mean? |
| 18:15.59 | kd8ikt | SpeedEvil: what ipv6 broker do you have? |
| 18:15.59 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: you need to code to take into account two CPUs, with all the locking requirements. |
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| 18:16.10 | EmKay | How many times? :S |
| 18:16.13 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: I don't have one - I haven't looked into v6 |
| 18:16.21 | EmKay | I have changed it to blank three times now.. |
| 18:16.29 | kd8ikt | oh well noshit you cant ping6 without a ipv6 tunnel :P |
| 18:16.38 | Chocky | there's a difference between a blank password and no password :-| |
| 18:16.42 | mmaestri | anyone knows where to find lint-wifi? |
| 18:16.52 | pjz | someone needs to add momentum to the contact list scrolling |
| 18:17.00 | ab0oo | is mickey the keeper of opkg? |
| 18:17.24 | Jaymus | SpeedEvil: Yeah, I'd expect it to add a ton of complexity. I'm really just trying to think of how to open up the device more to be able to run other software |
| 18:17.25 | pjz | mmaestri: projects.openmoko.org |
| 18:17.38 | mickey|bbl | hell, no |
| 18:17.38 | EmKay | Huh? So typing nothing to set the new password on the moko is not the same as typing nothing to log in via ssh on the ubuntu? |
| 18:17.44 | mmaestri | pjz: there are no files published yet |
| 18:17.48 | Jaymus | SpeedEvil: I suppose what I really have in mind is making the OpenMoko more of a netbook packaged as a phone than anything |
| 18:17.49 | mickey|bbl | thankfully there are _some_ things for which I'm not responsible |
| 18:17.54 | mickey|bbl | mail to opkg-devel wrt. opkg |
| 18:18.10 | pjz | mmaestri: when did you check last? |
| 18:18.13 | Chocky | Jaymus: it wouldn't be "the device", it'd be sometihng completely different. More like the eePC or someting as a phone. |
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| 18:18.22 | pjz | mmaestri: they were published sometime yesterday I think |
| 18:18.26 | mmaestri | pjz: 20 seconds ago |
| 18:18.30 | Chocky | since you'd have to change everything and start from sratch with the hardware |
| 18:18.37 | ab0oo | I just wanted to whine that "An error ocurred, return value: 2." is an evil way of saying "the package you want to install doesn't exist" |
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| 18:19.03 | Chocky | theocrite: \o/ SD booting page. |
| 18:19.06 | ab0oo | but if that involves anything more than a blurb on irc, I'm too lazy on a sunday afternoon.. :) |
| 18:19.08 | Chocky | er, thewtex |
| 18:19.25 | Jaymus | Chocky: Well, as long as it's still the same physical dimensions with excellent battery life (like, I can at least have it on standby (but able to take calls in my pocket for a day - then sure, eee in my pocket is precisely what I mean |
| 18:19.42 | pjz | ab0oo: shell script: if [ $? = 2 ]; then echo "package not found"; fi |
| 18:19.54 | Chocky | Jaymus: well, as long as you have a year and the money or two to design the hardware and software, go ahead. |
| 18:19.59 | ab0oo | pjz: you're a little evil, you know... |
| 18:20.07 | pjz | ab0oo: I try :) |
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| 18:20.40 | kd8ikt | mmaestri: http://projects.openmoko.org/scm/?group_id=167 |
| 18:20.40 | Chocky | [ $? == 2 ] && echo "Package teh lose!" && exit 2 |
| 18:20.57 | EmKay | No matter what I try with the passwords I get a permission denied now :( |
| 18:21.17 | Jaymus | Chocky: I already emailed OpenMoko and the guy running OpenHardware.org on this - I'm thinking of trying to help organize the community to collaborate and come up with a reference design for the next gen OpenMoko - or something else if this isn't a group that's interested in an x86 handheld |
| 18:21.20 | ab0oo | mickey|bbl: since your an embedded genius, can you tell me if there's any significant difference between the arm4 in the freerunner and the arm5te architecture on my gumstix? |
| 18:21.29 | Jaymus | Wow, I must sound like I work for Intel - I definitely don't - lol |
| 18:21.33 | Chocky | ab0oo: you're :p |
| 18:21.42 | Chocky | ab0oo: I can tell you that |
| 18:21.57 | ab0oo | ok, you looked busy, that's all, Chocky. |
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| 18:21.59 | mickey|bbl | ab0oo: yes. there's a bunch of instructions armv4 is missing |
| 18:22.07 | Chocky | basically, arm5 adds some more instructions, and has slightly different architecture. they're much the same performance, hwoever. |
| 18:22.08 | mmaestri | kd8ikt: thx |
| 18:22.16 | pjz | ab0oo: yes there is - see the blog of the guy who tried to put android on the freerunner for some interesting details :) |
| 18:22.19 | Chocky | things like CLZ - count leading zeros. |
| 18:22.30 | ab0oo | so, my gumstix can run OM software, but not viceversa. |
| 18:22.33 | mickey|bbl | yep |
| 18:22.40 | Chocky | armv5 ~= XScale == Intel legacy. |
| 18:22.54 | Jaymus | Anyone know of decent CAD software for modeling hardware projects? |
| 18:23.02 | Chocky | some of the arm9x chips are also armv5 - cf. the moose about Android on FR. |
| 18:23.07 | cjb | Jaymus: autocad? :) |
| 18:23.13 | ab0oo | similar to i386 < i468. i.e. the arm5 instruction set is a superset of arm4. |
| 18:23.19 | Yanroy | Jaymus: do you mean circuit design software, or some kind of mechanical CAD? |
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| 18:23.53 | Chocky | ab0oo: correct. But specific ARM chips have different stuff in terms of IO, since they tend to be an integrated solution. |
| 18:24.11 | cjb | Jaymus: there are many different tasks associated with hardware design. board flow, schematics/gerbers.. |
| 18:24.22 | kd8ikt | mmaestri: i modified lintwifi's wiki page and included that link |
| 18:24.41 | Jaymus | Yanroy: I suppose I'm not entirely sure what I mean. I'm picturing something like SolidWorks, but for placing ICs on a board |
| 18:24.41 | EmKay | Anyone? Why do I keep getting a "Permission denied (publickey,password)" error when I try to log into my Neo from my desktop? |
| 18:24.43 | ab0oo | gack. I was hoping to use my 600mhz gumstix with a real harddrive as a native compile farm for my FR. |
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| 18:24.57 | pjz | Jaymus: there's some good gnu board laout tools that I forget the name of |
| 18:24.58 | ab0oo | EmKay: did you run "ssh-keygen -R 192.168.0.202" ? |
| 18:25.04 | Yanroy | Jaymus: ok, well, as cjb said, this is generally divided up into parts |
| 18:25.07 | Chocky | ab0oo: no problem with that, as long as the arch target is correct. |
| 18:25.21 | Yanroy | Jaymus: the entire process is called EDA (electronics design automation) and is basically CAD for circuits |
| 18:25.26 | EmKay | Well.. My ip for the phone is 10.11.12.13 now. But yeah.. I ran it for that ip |
| 18:25.28 | Chocky | just make sure you're not generating armv5 binaries :o |
| 18:25.32 | ab0oo | which really isn't too far off from cross compiling, which is what I'm trying to avoid |
| 18:25.34 | Yanroy | Jaymus: firstly you'll have a schematic capture tool (fancy name for a thing that draws circuit diagrams) |
| 18:25.49 | Yanroy | Jaymus: then you'll need a circuit board layout program that takes the circuit design and lets you place the ICs on a virtual board |
| 18:25.51 | Jaymus | yanroy: Okay.. Please continue.. :) |
| 18:25.56 | drath | ab0oo: you can run your armv5 hardware using an armv5 userland just fine |
| 18:26.01 | drath | armv4 |
| 18:26.03 | drath | userland |
| 18:26.20 | EmKay | ab0oo: Well.. My ip for the phone is 10.11.12.13 now. But yeah.. I ran it for that ip |
| 18:26.22 | Chocky | e.g, Debian. although that's not even armv4. |
| 18:26.24 | Yanroy | Jaymus: then finally, you'll have that output something called a gerber file, which is essentially a vector graphic format used to actually draw the copper on the boards and drill the holes. that's what you send to the PCB factory |
| 18:26.37 | Chocky | actually, that's Debian arm. armel is armv4 |
| 18:27.00 | Chocky | you could even run OpenMoko on your gumstix :o |
| 18:27.18 | Yanroy | Jaymus: I've had good luck with the gEDA suite, which does all of the above things including some limited circuit simulation. it's open source. lemme see if I can dig up a link |
| 18:27.22 | Jaymus | yanroy: How inteligent are the current tools? I mean, I have a basic university education in circuit design (digital and analog) - but I'm really not sure how well I could integrate a bunch of chips with one another. I wouldn't be sure about their respective power requirements and probably other aspects I may not even be aware of... |
| 18:27.30 | ab0oo | some of the stuff I'm trying to compile for Qtopia isn't set up for cross compiling at all, and it does some weird mix of 1) compile some stuff for local host, then compile for target |
| 18:27.55 | Jaymus | Yanroy: You rule |
| 18:27.58 | Jaymus | lol |
| 18:28.07 | ab0oo | and there seems to be no way to discern in the make file between target and host |
| 18:28.15 | Yanroy | Jaymus: if you're asking it to help you pick parts, it can't do that... basically the intelligence is limited to "hey dumbass, you connected ground and power and now there's a short" |
| 18:28.23 | Jaymus | yanroy: perhaps this: http://www.geda.seul.org/ |
| 18:28.31 | Yanroy | Jaymus: that's exactly it :) |
| 18:28.35 | pjz | ab0oo: cross compiling is such a pain |
| 18:28.49 | Yanroy | Jaymus: IIRC, it's available as an RPM in the fedora repositories... dunno about other distros |
| 18:28.59 | Jaymus | yanroy: Cool - Yeah, I'd assume it can't magically think for me.. |
| 18:29.05 | ab0oo | I've been doing it, and hating it, for years. FWIW, I think the best cross-toolchain out there is the one from the OpenWRT guys |
| 18:29.12 | pjz | Jaymus: it's in other distros too - ubuntu/debian at least |
| 18:29.14 | Chocky | oh yes, make sure you're generating EABI binaries, not OABI. current FR kernel doesn't seem to have the old OABI support turned on. |
| 18:29.17 | Jaymus | yanroy: I'm on ubuntu, but hell, I'd switch to Gentoo if I had to |
| 18:29.37 | Chocky | ab0oo: welcome to cross compiling hell ;-) |
| 18:29.49 | ab0oo | "Hell, I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it'd do any good." |
| 18:30.04 | Chocky | cue ricer remark. |
| 18:30.06 | pjz | ab0oo: yeah, it's a pain; gentoo does a little better than average, I think. I wish debian would do some things to make it easier. |
| 18:30.07 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: open-source tools are an utter joke - when it comes to designing stuff as dense as a mobile phone IMO. |
| 18:30.08 | Chocky | er, queue |
| 18:30.26 | ab0oo | Chocky: oh, I have a comfortable rock staked out in Cross compiler hell. I was just secretly hoping it would get better with OM. |
| 18:30.27 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: you're looking at something like 8 layers or more, with very tight spacings. |
| 18:30.29 | Yanroy | SpeedEvil: your suggestion? |
| 18:30.30 | Jaymus | yanroy: Cool, I've now got it installed |
| 18:30.38 | Jaymus | speedevil: What would you suggest? |
| 18:30.47 | ab0oo | EmKay: any luck with that ssh command? |
| 18:30.47 | Chocky | ab0oo: It will. If I have to improve it myself. |
| 18:30.56 | Chocky | has scars from cross compilation. |
| 18:31.02 | EmKay | Nope.. Still not.. Permission denied |
| 18:31.07 | Chocky | anyway, I will see you clowns later. |
| 18:31.09 | ab0oo | Chocky: like I said. If you want to see it done "right", go look at the openwrt guys |
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| 18:31.13 | Yanroy | Jaymus: the learning curve is a bit high, especially for the PCB layout tool :) I dunno how much I can help you with it... it's been nearly a year since I used it. but I used it for my entire final project at college (I think it was 6 circuit boards) |
| 18:31.21 | EmKay | And third time I try it's "Permission denied (publickey,password). " |
| 18:31.25 | Chocky | ah yes, openwrt does a good job. |
| 18:31.29 | Chocky | done some work there. |
| 18:31.32 | Chocky | bye |
| 18:31.47 | pjz | later Chicky |
| 18:31.50 | pjz | er, Chocky |
| 18:31.54 | EmKay | ab0oo: Any ideas? :S |
| 18:31.55 | Yanroy | EmKay: I just got that error a min ago logging into my FR... turns out I was logging in as my normal user instead of root |
| 18:31.55 | Jaymus | yanroy: Did you actually get your projects fabricated using that? |
| 18:31.58 | SpeedEvil | Jamys: I don't really know what the high end tools are. There are some very complex bits in mobiles that need accurate simulation. |
| 18:32.03 | Yanroy | Jaymus: yep. worked like a charm |
| 18:32.04 | Jaymus | chocky: bye |
| 18:32.23 | pjz | Yanroy: you can set up a .ssh/config file somehow to do that automatically for you |
| 18:32.26 | Yanroy | Jaymus: I used the batchpcb (.com?) service to fab the boards... they're like $10 setup + $2.50 per square inch |
| 18:32.36 | EmKay | Yanroy: Well.. I'm typing "ssh root@10.11.12.13" |
| 18:32.56 | EmKay | Yanroy: So it should be root right? |
| 18:32.56 | Jaymus | speedevil: I believe that. I wonder how I can figure out what is ideal to use for this.. |
| 18:32.57 | Jaymus | yanroy: That's awesome! |
| 18:33.07 | ab0oo | is there a copy of "authorized_keys" in the /home/root/.ssh directory on the FR? |
| 18:33.08 | Yanroy | EmKay: well, I didn't think it would help... just throwing it out there. AFAIK, root is the only user on the FR |
| 18:33.27 | Jaymus | yanroy: If I sent them the DIPs/ICs I wanted on there, could they solder them on too? |
| 18:33.33 | EmKay | Ok :( |
| 18:33.48 | ab0oo | get a terminal on the FR and enter "rm -Rf ~/.ssh" |
| 18:33.52 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.52 | Yanroy | Jaymus: I don't think so :) usually assembly services don't get involved until you're making about 10000 copies :) |
| 18:34.00 | EmKay | ab0oo: Ok.. hang on |
| 18:34.01 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: it depends what you mean - a mobile phone is at the cutting edge of technology. |
| 18:34.04 | ab0oo | did you ever try to set a password on the FR? |
| 18:34.19 | Yanroy | ab0oo: I have a root password set on mine. works fine |
| 18:34.25 | ab0oo | I mean, if all else fails, we can re-flash it, but that seems weak. |
| 18:34.27 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: if you want to get the size and volume and power usage and cost of a mobile even close to norms. |
| 18:34.32 | Jaymus | speedevil: Is it actually? I mean, we've had mobile phones for awhile, seems like most people have at least one of them |
| 18:34.42 | EmKay | ab0oo: But on the freerunner I can't type / |
| 18:34.42 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: no we haven't. |
| 18:34.44 | ab0oo | it looks like he's got some kind of key mismatch. |
| 18:34.57 | ab0oo | ahh, yes, you sound moderately screwed. |
| 18:35.09 | Yanroy | Jaymus: I think what SpeedEvil is saying is that you can probably make a phone that looks like one from 10 years ago without too much trouble, but if you want a modern one, it's going to be a lot of work |
| 18:35.13 | Jaymus | speedevil: Alright |
| 18:35.17 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: we've had phones that are at the leading edge of what's economically possible for the past 20 years. |
| 18:35.20 | ab0oo | I'd hate to have to tell you about the super-secret developers back door. |
| 18:35.29 | Yanroy | that said, I really hate all the commercial EDA software I've used... they tend to be really expensive, really heavy, and really buggy. not to mention hard to use |
| 18:35.32 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
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| 18:37.03 | EmKay | Ok.. So I can't type / so no way to do a "rm -Rf ~/.ssh" |
| 18:37.07 | SpeedEvil | Yanroy: for example - http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/4/45/GTA02_A5_PCB_CS.jpg is the freerunner back side. |
| 18:37.22 | ab0oo | EmKay: do me a favor, run your ssh commands and paste the entire thing to pastebin |
| 18:37.25 | EmKay | and I can't do a " cat /etc/passwd " either then |
| 18:37.37 | ab0oo | is there a filemanager in the distro you're using? |
| 18:37.38 | Yanroy | SpeedEvil: hehehe... that's a very dense board :) |
| 18:37.46 | ab0oo | that would be another way to get rid of the directory |
| 18:37.48 | SpeedEvil | Yanroy: there are probably 6-8 layers of PCB behind that, routing tiny traces between most of the pads, even the ones spaced at 0.8mm or so. |
| 18:38.02 | EmKay | I think it's the latest distro.. Just updated it.. |
| 18:38.07 | EmKay | upgraded.. |
| 18:38.26 | SpeedEvil | The board probably costs $5 or so - but only in batches of several thousand. One board will cost you $700 (say) |
| 18:38.31 | Yanroy | SpeedEvil: yep... there's nothing about that that you can't accomplish with the gEDA suite of tools... it's just that they won't do things like simulate RF interference (though will commercial tools do that?) |
| 18:38.50 | SpeedEvil | Yanroy: as I understand it yes, and do controlled impedance. |
| 18:38.51 | Yanroy | SpeedEvil: no. I could get that board fabricated in quantity one for probably $50 |
| 18:39.17 | Yanroy | certainly not more than $100 |
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| 18:39.38 | SpeedEvil | Yanroy: a 8 layer board with tight spacings, doublesided soldermask, silkscreen, gold layer? |
| 18:39.41 | SpeedEvil | WHERE! |
| 18:40.02 | Yanroy | I think 4pcb does multilayer boards with gold |
| 18:40.05 | SpeedEvil | Because at that price, I'm biting both their arms off. |
| 18:40.16 | EmKay | http://pastie.org/242086 |
| 18:40.18 | Yanroy | I've used both them and batchpcb... batchpcb is way cheaper, but they only do 2 layer boards |
| 18:40.25 | Jaymus | yanroy: Well under $100 to me means it's possible to actually get them made and do some manual testing, but $700 - I definitely don't have those kinds of resources |
| 18:41.00 | Jaymus | speedevil, yanroy: Maybe future devices don't need to be more complex on the PCB side |
| 18:41.05 | Yanroy | Jaymus: it's the assembly that will kill you... on something that tight, I wouldn't want to try to do hand assembly without a microscope. a decent stereo microscope will run you a few thousand $$ |
| 18:41.09 | Jaymus | speedevil, yanroy: I'm thinking SoC |
| 18:41.17 | EmKay | ab0oo: http://pastie.org/242086 |
| 18:41.18 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: that's _with_ a SoC |
| 18:41.47 | Jaymus | yanroy, speedevil: I know a dude that's a freaking Jedi Master when it comes to soldering in insanely tight situations by hand, I probably could get help there |
| 18:42.25 | ab0oo | EmKay: try "sudo rm /root/.ssh/known_hosts" |
| 18:42.29 | Jaymus | That dude is 65 and has made stuff in his basement that makes my head spin |
| 18:42.49 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: can he hand-solder 0201? |
| 18:42.50 | EmKay | ab0oo: On my ubuntu, right? |
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| 18:43.02 | ab0oo | you're doing a sudo for the SSH, so ssh is looking in the ROOT users .ssh directory, but you're modifying your emkay users's .ssh files |
| 18:43.06 | Jaymus | speedevil: I don't know what 0201 refers to |
| 18:43.17 | Yanroy | heh, I just re-soldered the aux button on one of my friend's FRs... it broke off the first day he got it |
| 18:43.17 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: resistors/capacitors 0.4mm*0.2mm or so. |
| 18:43.21 | ab0oo | EmKay: yes. or, run "sudo ssh-keygen -R 10.11.12.13" |
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| 18:43.51 | SpeedEvil | Actually - $700 may have been pessimistic. |
| 18:43.54 | ab0oo | ahh,. I see you did that. |
| 18:44.01 | Jaymus | speedevil: I seriously doubt it |
| 18:44.10 | ab0oo | ok, EmKay, that looks like classic "you're typing the wrong password" |
| 18:44.18 | Jaymus | speedevil: I mean, I seriously doubt he could solder something that small |
| 18:44.22 | ab0oo | no ifs, ands, or buts about it. |
| 18:44.24 | EmKay | How can I mistype a blank password? |
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| 18:44.39 | SpeedEvil | pcbcart.com say $381 tooling cost and $27 per for 10s. |
| 18:44.52 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: for a 80*50mm 8 layer board. |
| 18:45.14 | Yanroy | Jaymus: I've soldered components not much bigger than that without trouble, but it takes nice equipment (hot air reflow system, microscope). and I don't think I could do it in such tight quarters as on the FR board |
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| 18:45.27 | ab0oo | EmKay: good question. nonetheless, that is what that error is telling you |
| 18:45.48 | EmKay | So what do I do from here? :S |
| 18:45.49 | SpeedEvil | Yanroy: you can - but you need shields to stop the previous components getting blown away. |
| 18:46.01 | ab0oo | does it do the same thing when you "ssh root@10.11.12.13" ? |
| 18:46.01 | SpeedEvil | Yanroy: and it's really not fun. |
| 18:46.05 | ab0oo | as the emkay user? |
| 18:46.18 | SpeedEvil | ponders a 'kit' freerunner. |
| 18:46.28 | Yanroy | hehehe... I'd buy a kit FR if it was cheaper |
| 18:46.37 | EmKay | ab0oo: As any user :S |
| 18:46.39 | Jaymus | speedevil: Well, at least there are some options |
| 18:46.43 | Yanroy | though debugging it would be hell |
| 18:47.00 | ab0oo | that seriously tells me that the FR thinks there is a root password |
| 18:47.06 | Yanroy | what started this conversation, anyways? |
| 18:47.10 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: the options are unfortunately not good, for making something as complex as a phone and as small. |
| 18:47.14 | EmKay | Oh.. Hang on.. Only saw half your message there |
| 18:47.16 | Yanroy | about making a phone circuit booard, I mean |
| 18:47.17 | ab0oo | are you SURE the FR is 10.11.12.13? |
| 18:47.23 | pjz | reads the lint-wifi source |
| 18:47.35 | ab0oo | that's not the usb0 interface address on your ubuntu box, is it? |
| 18:47.41 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: at least in small quantities. The fundamental problem occurs due to the $500 or so per-spin cost if you get stuff wrong. |
| 18:47.42 | Yanroy | ab0oo: that's a good point... I was confused initially with the host vs FR IPs |
| 18:47.53 | Jaymus | speedevil: Maybe it's more possible do to a scaled up proof of concept |
| 18:48.01 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: to a small degree, yes. |
| 18:48.07 | dufflebunk | Does anyone know if there's a way to have the freerunner's USB act as usb ethernet and usb storage? |
| 18:48.25 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: the problem you then run into is that once you start scaling some parts of it up - the RF and GPS parts forex - they stop working. |
| 18:48.37 | EmKay | ab0oo: Well.. I can ping it at 10.11.12.13 |
| 18:48.40 | Jaymus | dufflebunk's question reminds me - I wonder, does the Freerunner have Host USB? |
| 18:48.40 | ab0oo | dufflebunk: not that I know of. |
| 18:48.45 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: yes |
| 18:48.50 | SpeedEvil | Jaymus: powered even. |
| 18:48.53 | pjz | what version of python is on the FR ? |
| 18:48.57 | ab0oo | EmKay: you can ping SOMETHING at 10.11.12.13. are you sure it's the FR? |
| 18:49.06 | ab0oo | "ifconfig usb0" on you ubuntu box, please. |
| 18:49.14 | Jaymus | speedevil: Yeah, the universe isn't linear unlike most people's thinking (I'm sure I'm part of "most people") |
| 18:49.28 | SorenHK | ab0oo i think he's ssh'ing to it via wifi |
| 18:49.31 | Jaymus | speedevil: That's awesome about the USB |
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| 18:49.47 | EmKay | ab0oo: inet addr:10.11.12.13 |
| 18:50.06 | EmKay | ab0oo: You want the whole thing in a pastie? |
| 18:50.22 | ab0oo | hmm, try "ssh emkay@10.11.12.13" and use your normal ubuntu password. :) |
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| 18:51.04 | ab0oo | EmKay: did you ever modify the /etc/network/interfaces file on the Freerunner to use a 10.11.12.xx address? |
| 18:51.21 | ab0oo | and just in case SorenHK is right, are you using USB or wifi? |
| 18:51.24 | EmKay | ab0oo: Ok then I have been trying to log into ubuntu from ubuntu! :D |
| 18:51.37 | ab0oo | EmKay: well, that's progress. |
| 18:51.46 | EmKay | Yes, but I overwrote it during the upgrade.. |
| 18:51.54 | EmKay | God damn it.... :S |
| 18:51.57 | Jaymus | this gEDA os neat |
| 18:51.58 | ab0oo | ok, do this" |
| 18:52.07 | ab0oo | sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 18:52.14 | ab0oo | then, ping 192.168.0.202 |
| 18:52.22 | ab0oo | or do you have it from here? |
| 18:53.09 | EmKay | Hang on |
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| 18:54.08 | EmKay | No response in the ping |
| 18:54.20 | EmKay | Well.. "From 192.168.0.188 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable " |
| 18:54.54 | ab0oo | that's not good. |
| 18:55.08 | ab0oo | I'm assuming that the ubuntu usb0 is now 192.168.0.188? |
| 18:55.36 | EmKay | Nope.. its 192.168.0.200 |
| 18:55.41 | ab0oo | you're like my daugter... if I tell her to microwave something for 30 seconds, she'll put it in for 28 or 31 seconds, but never 30. freaking independent minds... |
| 18:55.57 | ab0oo | ah, ok. you're not like my daughter then. |
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| 18:56.04 | EmKay | :D |
| 18:56.17 | ab0oo | um, is your local network 192.168.0.xx (the one on eth0) ? |
| 18:56.25 | cjb | ab0oo: at least she recognizes that the number of seconds isn't important :) |
| 18:56.39 | cjb | is bad at cooking because he doesn't like instructions that aren't totally specific. |
| 18:56.52 | ab0oo | she recognizes that she can get dad's goat by being a smart-ass |
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| 18:56.55 | SpeedEvil | cjb: cookers are not calibrated. |
| 18:57.08 | SpeedEvil | cjb: this can be worked around if you boil everything. |
| 18:57.10 | EmKay | ab0oo: http://pastie.org/242086 |
| 18:57.31 | Jaymus | cjb: Right out of High School I worked briefly as a chef and they got annoyed at me a lot at first because I had a hard time doing something without precise instructions. lol |
| 18:57.39 | ab0oo | show me "ifconfig" with no params in pastie |
| 18:57.40 | ab0oo | please |
| 18:57.42 | cjb | SpeedEvil: that's true. although, at a college house, we used an oven thermometer to plot specified vs. actual cooking temperature. :) it was an odd curve. |
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| 18:58.12 | EmKay | ab0oo: There: http://pastie.org/242086 |
| 18:58.26 | Jaymus | Apparently baking is something of an exact science, but everything else is open to major negotiation |
| 18:58.30 | ab0oo | ahh, there's a problem. |
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| 18:58.53 | Jaymus | Okay friends, I'm off. Thanks for the very excellent conversation! |
| 18:58.54 | EmKay | I figured that much out... :P But what? :D |
| 18:58.56 | daMaestro | pastie++ # good looking without ads |
| 18:58.58 | SpeedEvil | WAve. |
| 18:59.02 | Jaymus | Cheers |
| 18:59.24 | ab0oo | try this: sudo route add -host 192.168.0.202 usb0 |
| 18:59.49 | EmKay | and? |
| 18:59.53 | davi | What about a 1024x600 touchscreen display for GTA04 ? |
| 18:59.57 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.58 | ab0oo | and now ping 192.168.0.202 |
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| 19:00.06 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: unlikely. |
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| 19:00.24 | EmKay | "From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable " |
| 19:00.28 | ab0oo | votes for getting really good working software on gta02 before we turn the hardware wanks loose again |
| 19:00.39 | ab0oo | well, that's a good bit of news, EmKay |
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| 19:00.47 | ab0oo | at least it went out the right port. |
| 19:00.50 | EmKay | wondering who ab0oo is referring to :P |
| 19:01.22 | ab0oo | yeah, I'm putting of a trip to Fry's to buy a string of surface mount resistors to help you, EmKay |
| 19:01.31 | ab0oo | my wife appreciates it, btw. |
| 19:01.43 | ab0oo | I have to be very carefully controlled in Fry's. |
| 19:01.57 | ab0oo | but I am NOT a hardware wank. |
| 19:02.11 | EmKay | Haha.. :D |
| 19:02.23 | EmKay | _I_ appreciate it |
| 19:03.10 | ab0oo | and we're sure the FR is powered up, and plugged into the USB cable that is plugged into the ubuntu box... |
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| 19:03.51 | EmKay | Very sure.. Just checked.. It wass plugged in. But unplugged and replugged to be safe. |
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| 19:04.17 | ab0oo | you're probably using a Netgear or D-Link router for your home network. I'd suggest, at some point in the future when you have a minute, to change the LAN side subnet to something OTHER than 192.168.0 (I use 192.168.5.xx, fwiw) |
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| 19:04.34 | ab0oo | ok, make sure usb0 is still configured correctly with another ifconfig |
| 19:04.48 | ab0oo | unplugging can cause ubuntu to drop the ip and never re-add it |
| 19:05.13 | EmKay | Well.. I think it did.. :S |
| 19:05.22 | EmKay | http://pastie.org/242086 |
| 19:05.44 | ab0oo | incidentally, has anyone noticed greatly improved batterly life with the TT Qtopia and mwester's kernel? I got 12+ hours last night |
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| 19:06.20 | ab0oo | yeah, see how usb0 now doesn't have an IP addr? you need to "ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 && route add -host 192.168.0.202 usb0" again |
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| 19:07.14 | EmKay | Done |
| 19:07.43 | ab0oo | trying pinging that 192.168.0.202 again |
| 19:07.53 | ab0oo | do you have any power-saving turned on on the FR? |
| 19:08.03 | ab0oo | that can lead to USB addresses disappearing |
| 19:08.15 | EmKay | Power saving has been switched off the whole time |
| 19:08.16 | ab0oo | also, paste me an "sudo lsusb" when you get a chance |
| 19:08.18 | pjz | I use 172.31.250.x for my LAN |
| 19:08.28 | pjz | least popular RFC1916 network *ever* |
| 19:08.28 | EmKay | Pinging 202: From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 19:08.41 | ab0oo | <curse> |
| 19:08.45 | EmKay | pinging 200: 64 bytes from 192.168.0.200: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.039 ms |
| 19:08.58 | ab0oo | well, it can talk to itself. |
| 19:09.02 | ab0oo | that's a bonus |
| 19:09.14 | pjz | usually a sign of insanity, but good in this context :) |
| 19:09.37 | EmKay | :P |
| 19:09.44 | ab0oo | anyone else have any ideas? I'm starting to run out |
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| 19:10.05 | pjz | EmKay: what IP does usb0 have? |
| 19:10.08 | ab0oo | I'm bothered by the fact that both usb0 and eth0 are on the same subnet. |
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| 19:10.43 | ab0oo | the route command should take care of that, but I've been wrong on routing before (and took down all of the T-Mobile HotSpots in the eastern US) |
| 19:10.47 | pjz | ab0oo: yeah, that's generally bad; but most-specific wins in routing, so if you use like a .248 netmask you can be more specific than the /24 |
| 19:11.03 | EmKay | ab0oo: So was another dude that helped me. So he set up the USB to use a completely different subnet: 10.0.0.x and then it worked.. |
| 19:11.03 | pjz | EmKay: what's the netmask on usb0 ? |
| 19:11.06 | smhar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.07 | ab0oo | the route add -host should give it a /32 netmask |
| 19:11.33 | pjz | EmKay: what's the IP on your freerunner? did you change it or is it the default? |
| 19:11.54 | EmKay | pjz: http://pastie.org/242086 |
| 19:12.00 | EmKay | ip on FR is default |
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| 19:12.31 | ab0oo | EmKay: how about that lsusb |
| 19:12.34 | Yanroy | has anyone gotten volume changing to work on the FR? |
| 19:12.46 | pjz | EmKay: okay, and route -n ? |
| 19:12.51 | ab0oo | although, you have to have SOMETHING out there, or the usb0 interface would never come up. |
| 19:12.56 | Yanroy | if I could turn up the volume, I'd be ready to declare it a functional phone... |
| 19:13.20 | ab0oo | Yanroy: ssh to the phone and use alsamixer |
| 19:13.23 | EmKay | pjz: http://pastie.org/242086 |
| 19:13.25 | pjz | Yanroy: there's been stuff on the maliing lists about chanign the volume and saving it |
| 19:13.33 | EmKay | ab0oo: lsusb? :S |
| 19:13.59 | ab0oo | sudo lsusb will list all of the usb devices plugged into the host |
| 19:14.17 | pjz | EmKay: and you can't ping 192.168.0.202 ? hm |
| 19:14.25 | ab0oo | pjz: my thoughts exactly. |
| 19:14.42 | ab0oo | his stuff looks just like my stuff (except mine is naturally bigger) :) |
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| 19:15.00 | EmKay | ab0oo: http://pastie.org/242086 |
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| 19:15.10 | ab0oo | well,, and my eth0 is a 192.168.5.16, which in no way conflicts with the 192.168.0.200 stuff |
| 19:15.32 | EmKay | pjz: Nope. Can't ping 202 |
| 19:15.53 | ab0oo | this is the FR: Bus 001 Device 012: ID 1457:5122 |
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| 19:16.52 | pjz | ab0oo: does the FR have a default route of 200, or is that just what people are using out of convenience? |
| 19:17.03 | ab0oo | it's default |
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| 19:17.07 | pjz | ah, suckage |
| 19:17.19 | Ainulindale | You can change it |
| 19:17.21 | pjz | it should default to .201 so that .200/30 would be valid |
| 19:17.24 | ab0oo | I know of no way to change it from the gui, either |
| 19:17.37 | pjz | Ainulindale: I can do anything, I know, but that won't change the default on the thousands of shipped phones |
| 19:17.41 | ab0oo | 200/29 is valid, though |
| 19:18.00 | pjz | ab0oo: no it's not; that would make .200 the network address |
| 19:18.14 | ab0oo | poo, you're right. |
| 19:18.15 | pjz | ab0oo: the equivalent of .0/24 |
| 19:18.25 | Marcel_M | EmKay: route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200 on the host should help |
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| 19:18.44 | ab0oo | EmKay: have you EVER gotten this thing to talk on USB? |
| 19:18.53 | ab0oo | specifically, on this cable? |
| 19:19.00 | pjz | EmKay: try what Marcel said |
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| 19:19.23 | ab0oo | and does it have teethmarks from a cat in the cable? is there the odor of slightly toasted cat tongue in the air? |
| 19:20.14 | EmKay | Done.. But still no pinging.. :( |
| 19:20.19 | EmKay | And no cat ;) |
| 19:20.52 | EmKay | ab0oo: Yes.. I have been able to use ssh on it. And I have updated and then upgraded via opkg.. |
| 19:21.10 | ab0oo | hmmm. |
| 19:21.36 | pjz | EmKay: do you have a terminal app on it? can you run ifconfig on the FR and verify the IP address and that usb0 is up? |
| 19:21.47 | EmKay | hang on |
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| 19:23.00 | EmKay | usb0 is there.. But it has 10.11.12.13 as ip |
| 19:23.09 | pjz | EmKay: haha so you DID change it |
| 19:23.14 | pjz | EmKay: what's the netmask? |
| 19:23.30 | EmKay | 255.255.255.0 |
| 19:23.37 | EmKay | I didn't... Someone else did.. |
| 19:23.40 | pjz | EmKay: do route -n |
| 19:23.53 | EmKay | And he did it really quickly, så I understood nothing :S |
| 19:24.05 | pjz | EmKay: what's the gateway on the line that sratrs with 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 19:24.22 | pjz | EmKay: (when you do a route -n) |
| 19:24.36 | ab0oo | EmKay: on your ubuntu machine, do you have an usb0 entry in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 19:24.49 | ab0oo | if so, check it to make sure the ipaddr is 192.168.0.200, please |
| 19:24.55 | ab0oo | that's where it would get autoconfigured from |
| 19:25.05 | EmKay | gateway for 0.0.0.0 is 10.11.12.14 |
| 19:25.28 | pjz | EmKay: okay, so on your ubuntu machine you can do ifconfig usb0 10.11.12.24/24 |
| 19:25.40 | pjz | EmKay: wait, that shoul dbe 14 not 24 |
| 19:25.44 | pjz | typos |
| 19:25.50 | pjz | EmKay: okay, so on your ubuntu machine you can do ifconfig usb0 10.11.12.14/24 |
| 19:26.00 | EmKay | etc/network/interfaces: auto lo |
| 19:26.10 | EmKay | iface lo inet loopback |
| 19:26.10 | pjz | EmKay: then ping 10.11.12.13 |
| 19:26.53 | pjz | EmKay: and if that works your FR is available via 'ssh root@10.11.12.13' |
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| 19:27.13 | EmKay | ping on 10.11.12.13 works now |
| 19:27.46 | EmKay | "Host key verification failed. " :S |
| 19:28.00 | EmKay | What was it? ssh-keygen something something... :S |
| 19:28.08 | ab0oo | so the 10.11.12.xx subnet was right, but both the FR and the ubuntu box have the same IP |
| 19:28.16 | ab0oo | ssh-keygen -R 10.11.12.13 |
| 19:28.28 | pjz | EmKay: it should omplain about a particular line in your .ssh/known_hosts; you can just del that line also |
| 19:28.38 | pjz | er, alternately |
| 19:29.13 | EmKay | Aaaaaaaand we have a connection! :S |
| 19:29.15 | EmKay | :D! |
| 19:29.46 | EmKay | I can ssh it now.. |
| 19:29.48 | EmKay | Damn.. |
| 19:30.00 | ab0oo | well, I think the moral of the story here is: if you go setting IP addresses to non-standard subnets, you're liable to get into a world of trouble. |
| 19:30.18 | EmKay | Heh.. Tell that to the dude who did it.. It was not me.. :S |
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| 19:30.20 | ab0oo | having both the computer and the FR set to the same IP is diabolical |
| 19:30.25 | pjz | EmKay: okay, so check the IP in your FR's /etc/network/interfaces and see what it is |
| 19:30.44 | ab0oo | pjz wins the internetz today. |
| 19:31.06 | pjz | EmKay: because the one in there is the one that will take over if you reboot your phone |
| 19:31.09 | EmKay | 10.11.12.13 |
| 19:31.19 | pjz | has been doing IP networking since like '94 or so |
| 19:31.35 | EmKay | That's a looooong time :S |
| 19:31.48 | EmKay | Haven't you slept or eaten or taken a break since then? |
| 19:31.53 | EmKay | :P |
| 19:31.57 | donomo | the shipped freerunners are GTA02v? |
| 19:31.59 | pjz | EmKay: okay, so that's fine, it means you want to fix the IP in your desktop's /etc/network/interfaces to be 10.11.12.14 |
| 19:32.05 | Yanroy | donomo: 5, IIRC |
| 19:32.08 | EmKay | gets cocky now that it works :P |
| 19:32.10 | pjz | donomo: see the wiki |
| 19:32.10 | donomo | i see image files for v4, v5, etc. |
| 19:32.18 | donomo | pjz: the wiki is a big place. :) |
| 19:32.45 | EmKay | pjz: But there's nothing in that file... |
| 19:32.53 | Yanroy | hopes his laptop's wpa_supplicant.conf will work on the FR with minimal modification |
| 19:33.00 | EmKay | Only this: auto lo & iface lo inet loopback |
| 19:33.06 | EmKay | On two lines... |
| 19:33.20 | pjz | EmKay: what kind of desktop do you have? |
| 19:33.22 | donomo | pjz: i did a search on 'gta02v' hoping that would match gta02v5 or whatever. no matches. got a url? |
| 19:33.34 | pjz | donomo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware |
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| 19:33.44 | EmKay | Ubuntu |
| 19:34.04 | Yanroy | donomo: I think there was a mailing list post a week or so ago about how to get the version by running a command on the FR... it might even be as simple as "uname -a" |
| 19:34.19 | pjz | EmKay: and there's nthing but the lo stuff in your /etc/network/interfaces? odd |
| 19:34.26 | Yanroy | donomo: ok, scratch uname -a... just tried it |
| 19:34.41 | EmKay | Ok, so now we have the next challenge.. Internet on the Neo via usb....? :S |
| 19:34.54 | Yanroy | pjz: on my system, I don't even have a /etc/network :) |
| 19:34.58 | pjz | EmKay: on the USB_Netowrking page |
| 19:34.58 | EmKay | That worked earlier |
| 19:35.07 | pjz | Yanroy: what distro? |
| 19:35.12 | Yanroy | fedora 7 |
| 19:35.33 | pjz | Yanroy: yeah, fedora doesn't use the /etc/network stuff, it does something different |
| 19:35.52 | pjz | Yanroy: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts |
| 19:35.58 | Yanroy | pjz: yep |
| 19:36.04 | donomo | Yanroy: the last revision on the FR hardware page in the 'History' section says GTA02v6 |
| 19:36.19 | donomo | Yanroy: so im gonna go with that |
| 19:36.27 | Yanroy | donomo: the other day I was here asking about the v6 and someone told me there was no such thing... |
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| 19:36.39 | pjz | EmKay: the bits on the USB_Networking page are mostly correct, but you need to change the IPs |
| 19:36.47 | Yanroy | donomo: I'm pretty sure what shipped was a v5 with some modifications to make it have LEDs like the v6 or some other minor fix |
| 19:37.13 | pjz | EmKay: where it says 192.168.0.192/26 put 10.11.12.0/24 |
| 19:37.43 | donomo | interesting. well im about to try flashing my FR for the first time. the FSU image seems straightforward to flash http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone1/ |
| 19:37.59 | pjz | FSU? ou mean ASU? or FSO ? |
| 19:38.08 | ab0oo | donomo: I think you'll be quite dissapointed by FSO |
| 19:38.10 | donomo | pjz: FSO i mean |
| 19:38.29 | donomo | ab0oo: yeah? the readme implies it makes and takes calls. i dont expect more than that |
| 19:38.40 | EmKay | The commands starting with "allow-hotplug usb0"? |
| 19:38.46 | ab0oo | then you'll be perfectly happy with FSO |
| 19:38.59 | ab0oo | I'm going to Fry's. bbl |
| 19:40.05 | Yanroy | donomo: I tried the ASU a couple days ago and switched back to 2007.2 cuz it was too broken... I think the FSO is even more immature |
| 19:41.01 | donomo | Yanroy: the latest 2007.2 update i did pretty much broke my phone. it wont unsleep |
| 19:41.11 | Yanroy | donomo: daily? |
| 19:41.13 | donomo | Yanroy: so i dont have much to loose at this point. |
| 19:41.25 | donomo | Yanroy: whatever comes with opkg update; opkg upgrade |
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| 19:41.39 | donomo | Yanroy: well it unsleeps but gives a solid white screen |
| 19:42.00 | Yanroy | donomo: on the base image, I think that only updates to "stable" releases... I think if you flash a daily, then it will track the daily releases for update. just what I've observed |
| 19:42.30 | Yanroy | donomo: but I encourage experimentation :) it's not like you can't undo what you're doing |
| 19:43.54 | donomo | im excited to see the UI morph from 2007.2 to something totally different |
| 19:47.15 | Tanuva | I have asu booting nearly from sd card - it comes up with the "boot"-screen, but the green "booting..." bar doesnt show up. any chance to find out whats wrong? |
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| 19:48.48 | Yanroy | has anyone tried to compile networkmanager for the FR? |
| 19:49.11 | Yanroy | it seems like that would be a really quick and easy way to make all these network headaches go away... also it uses dbus, which should integrate well with the existing stuff |
| 19:49.32 | cjb | Yanroy: I tried last night |
| 19:49.38 | cjb | and bitbake died trying to build glibc :( |
| 19:49.47 | CM | Same here |
| 19:49.51 | cjb | networkmanager is already available by bitbake, so it should be easy with the right environment |
| 19:50.12 | cjb | it does look like a pretty good solution, although I don't like the codebase very much. |
| 19:51.09 | Yanroy | cjb: I haven't looked at the codebase.. .what' wron g with it? |
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| 19:51.49 | Yanroy | cjb: I've been using it for years (comes standard with Fedora) on both my laptop and desktop systems and it's a really painless solution, especially for the laptop where I'm constantly moving around |
| 19:51.58 | cjb | Yanroy: historically its interactions with things like wpa_supplicant have been very flaky. |
| 19:52.10 | cjb | Yanroy: I've been using it for years too, and rarely find it painless :) |
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| 19:52.30 | Yanroy | cjb: heh... I'm researching how it uses wpa_supplicant righ tnow. I note that it doesn't write a wpa_supplicant.conf, which I was hoping it would so I could copy it to the FR from my laptop |
| 19:52.44 | cjb | Sometimes after suspend the spinning circles sit there without lighting up, and in that state I can't choose a different AP to connect to. I'd think it was just my laptop, except I've seen that sort of thing on plenty of others. |
| 19:52.49 | Yanroy | cjb: do you use a GUI frontend for it? KNetworkManager provides a really nice interface |
| 19:53.00 | cjb | yes, the gnome shell |
| 19:53.46 | Yanroy | cjb: I've occasionally had problems where it won't work after resuming from suspend as well, but that's pretty rare. usually a manual start/stop fixes it |
| 19:54.02 | cjb | nod. |
| 19:54.28 | Yanroy | is it normal for wpa_supplicant.conf to not exist on a FR? I really have to create it from scratch? |
| 19:55.15 | kd8ikt | yea |
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| 19:55.37 | kd8ikt | http://hostap.epitest.fi/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=hostap.git;a=blob_plain;f=wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 19:56.27 | Yanroy | kd8ikt: wow, that's complex... is the example on the wiki valid? it's a lot simpler... |
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| 19:57.07 | donomo | the FSO kernel booted, X started, but the Please wait... screen has been there for a couple minutes now. |
| 19:57.23 | Tanuva | donomo: the first time? simply reboot |
| 19:57.42 | donomo | Tanuva: oh right, i saw that in the readme. rebooting.... |
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| 20:01.28 | donomo | haha. woot. FSO had booted. |
| 20:02.36 | Yanroy | wow, that was easy... wifi in 3 easy steps! |
| 20:03.41 | Yanroy | uh oh.. tradgedy... I seem to have lost my stylus |
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| 20:04.40 | Rigolo | mmm do more people have problems with the touch screen when they have swapped orientation? |
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| 20:05.22 | Rigolo | when I swap to "landscape" mode I can not really use the right side (top) of the touchscreen |
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| 20:05.56 | Rigolo | but when I swap back to "portrait" I have no problems (at least .. I can select all the "top" items without problems) |
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| 20:06.37 | freerunnerlive | openmoko bible ? |
| 20:07.02 | almien | Rigolo: I think touchscreen calibration is known to be dodgy/nonexistant in landscape mode |
| 20:07.28 | Rigolo | mmm anything I can do about that? recalibrate? with what app? |
| 20:08.13 | Yanroy | I suspect it's less a problem of it being uncalibrated than it is someone is apply the wrong transformation to the coordinates (or no transformation at all) |
| 20:08.53 | Yanroy | damnit... you always find things the last place you look. stylus was under my keyboard |
| 20:09.05 | Yanroy | (not that any of you care... just venting) |
| 20:09.35 | Rigolo | Yanroy: almien : but this is in the today screen ... at least that should be "correct" |
| 20:09.43 | almien | good place for hiding pens, Yanroy... |
| 20:10.10 | Rigolo | when I want to select calander from the top line .. I start creating sms messages :-) |
| 20:10.37 | uzytkownik | Hello. I have a problem with OM. I have no idea how to describe so sorry I haven't searched in bugs and I don't know is it known bug. Sometimes the panel 'crash' and I cannot switch windows, the mouse pointer is seen. If I enter the power menu it is not fullscreened. I have the most up-to-date binaries (from daily builds) so I expects it to not be stable - however I still want to report it. Could anybody said: 1. Is it known bug? 2. |
| 20:10.38 | uzytkownik | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.57 | Yanroy | Rigolo: I have this suspicion that when the screen is rotated, there isn't actually any rotation going on. I believe this because some wiki page about running the apps on your desktop suggested resizing them to be landscape size/orientation will make them behave as if they're in landscape mode |
| 20:11.23 | donomo | anyone know what the blue and green bars are on the FSO UI? http://donpark.org/albums/2008/July/openmoko-fso.jpg |
| 20:11.42 | Rigolo | Yanroy: but isn;t the rotation done by using RandR in X |
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| 20:12.23 | Rigolo | donomo: wild guess : signal strenght and power |
| 20:13.03 | Rigolo | probably gsm signal strenght in blue ... green is more power related |
| 20:13.14 | donomo | Rigolo: that seems reasonable |
| 20:13.42 | Rigolo | btw: nice picture ... isn't there a screenshot app in FSO MS1? |
| 20:13.49 | Yanroy | Rigolo: I don't know what RandR is... but the apps have to draw themselves differently in landscape mode. it isn't a simple image rotation. they need to be aware, and my hunch is that they sense this by their window dimensions (aspect ratio, really) |
| 20:14.04 | donomo | Rigolo: heehee. i dont know. the camera route seemed easier. |
| 20:14.40 | Rigolo | Yanroy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XRandR |
| 20:15.25 | Yanroy | Rigolo: ok, so that would seem to indicate that I'm on the right track :) |
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| 20:16.51 | Yanroy | has anyone had the problem where after a while, it just says "registering" in the corner and doesn't seem to have a signal? |
| 20:17.00 | Yanroy | and is there a fix other than rebooting? |
| 20:17.16 | Yanroy | the logs seem to indicate difficulty in waking something up, perhaps the gsm modem |
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| 20:17.57 | peter_b | Think i noticed that this afternoon |
| 20:18.20 | peter_b | om-devel image ? |
| 20:18.22 | mjr | Yanroy, yeah of course; the apps will get notified that hey, their window (and the screen, if they like that info) is now 640x480 instead of 480x640, and to do the "right thing" |
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| 20:18.31 | mjr | minus panels and stuff |
| 20:18.50 | kd8ikt | i want to make a 360 bubble level app like http://tinyurl.com/6gqb78 dunno where to start, lemmie see how agpsui made its azimuth status tab/window |
| 20:19.01 | Yanroy | mjr: and my observations suggest that the touchscreen coordinates are being manipulated somehow. perhaps they're still in the old orientation |
| 20:19.01 | SpeedEvil | bubble level? |
| 20:19.12 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 20:19.19 | kd8ikt | see the url? |
| 20:19.19 | doc|home | are the accelerometers accurate enough for that? |
| 20:19.29 | kd8ikt | thats not entireley the point |
| 20:19.31 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: the gps does not report orientation |
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| 20:19.43 | mjr | Yanroy, yeah true. The X server should handle that but it doesn't. |
| 20:19.45 | kd8ikt | more of a simple accellerometer app |
| 20:20.07 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 20:20.29 | SpeedEvil | kdubois: it reports +-16mg or so |
| 20:20.33 | SpeedEvil | kd8: |
| 20:20.58 | kd8ikt | not for actual leveling |
| 20:21.06 | SpeedEvil | which is I think 6 degrees or so |
| 20:21.15 | kd8ikt | unless you can calibrate it right |
| 20:21.16 | SpeedEvil | sin(1000/16) |
| 20:21.34 | SpeedEvil | kdubois: what for? |
| 20:21.45 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: I mean |
| 20:21.56 | SpeedEvil | kdubois: sorry for the accidental completes |
| 20:21.57 | kd8ikt | poor kdubois |
| 20:22.22 | kdubois | haha, yeah... :P |
| 20:22.25 | Yanroy | wifi + google reader on my FR = FR is fully functional :D |
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| 20:23.34 | kd8ikt | hey does wpa_supplicant auto flip though the config if later the current AP disapears |
| 20:23.36 | loonyxp | Hello, I have a freerunner and the following problem: I want to have qtopia on the SDHC card (as to say, I want dual boot with the 2007.2). I have followed the instructions in the wiki and I get the following error: "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2). Since the info from the wiki is not clear, I have tried both ext2 and ext3 as the second partition on the SDHC and vfat as the first partition. What could |
| 20:24.00 | kd8ikt | compile your own kernel? |
| 20:24.06 | Yanroy | loonyxp: I think you need the latest uboot for ext3, have you flashed it? |
| 20:24.37 | loonyxp | Yanroy: No, I haven't... but I tried ext2 before with the same error as a result |
| 20:24.49 | Yanroy | they may both be in the new uboot |
| 20:24.56 | Yanroy | there was a post on the ML a few days ago about it |
| 20:25.24 | loonyxp | Yanroy: so i should flash uboot to the latest? |
| 20:25.48 | kd8ikt | not like you can completely brick it trying |
| 20:25.49 | Yanroy | loonyxp: I think so. I'm just going on what I've read. I've never tried to do what you're trying |
| 20:26.17 | Yanroy | reads the openmoko-community list on his FR |
| 20:26.27 | donomo | Yanroy: lol. awesome |
| 20:26.35 | loonyxp | Yanroy: okay, i will try. i think it's not that a risk, because the freerunner has a backup of uboot... |
| 20:26.57 | Yanroy | loonyxp: AFAIK, the worst that can happen is you have to re-flash it. I think that's why the NOR uboot exists |
| 20:27.08 | CM | nods :) |
| 20:27.12 | loonyxp | Yanroy: yep.. thanks... |
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| 20:31.12 | kd8ikt | wow cool wiki's are neat |
| 20:31.23 | kd8ikt | someone fixed up wifiweasel |
| 20:31.27 | kd8ikt | joerg |
| 20:31.28 | Yanroy | ? |
| 20:31.47 | kd8ikt | is sticking to wpa_supplicant though |
| 20:33.33 | Yanroy | anyone know of a way to get minimo to fit to the width of my screen? it's just a little bit too wide right now... it would probably be perfect in landscape mode, if that worked |
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| 20:34.45 | kd8ikt | omfg i know what you mean landscape touchscreen calibration is fudged |
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| 20:36.02 | Yanroy | is SSH'ed into his FR via wifi |
| 20:36.21 | tkep | anyone got a second to help with flashing this thing? |
| 20:36.29 | EmKay3 | Yanroy: Showoff! :D |
| 20:37.00 | EmKay3 | Can anyone tell me what to do if the Neo is freezing at the openmoko logo during startup? |
| 20:37.01 | kd8ikt | i'd think it'd just be a matter of swaping around numbers in /etc/pointercal |
| 20:37.01 | EmKay3 | :S |
| 20:37.41 | Yanroy | so, does anyone know what units the output of this is in? cat /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/time_to_empty_now |
| 20:37.48 | kd8ikt | tkep: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_Openmoko |
| 20:37.50 | Rigolo | mmm opkg upgrade wants to upgrade my kernel .... last time it f*ck up the flashing and my FR would not boot. Is there a danger in doing a kernel upgrade via opkg? |
| 20:37.54 | Yanroy | it's going down awfully fast :P I think wifi is quite the power hog, especially with minimo working overtime |
| 20:38.09 | tkep | kd8ikt, yeah, following it, getting errors |
| 20:38.11 | tkep | :) |
| 20:38.16 | kd8ikt | realy |
| 20:38.19 | tkep | what's new, right? |
| 20:38.24 | kd8ikt | howso |
| 20:38.29 | tkep | More than one DFU capable USB device found, you might try `--list' and then disconnect all but one device |
| 20:38.37 | tkep | and, of course, i list |
| 20:38.40 | Yanroy | Rigolo: I suppose there's always a small danger, but I've done it several times with the 2007.2 image and it's been fine |
| 20:38.41 | tkep | and i get two devices |
| 20:38.43 | kd8ikt | ok |
| 20:38.56 | Yanroy | Rigolo: someone mentioned yesterday that the latest kernel was broken though... dunno which image (or if it matters) |
| 20:39.00 | tkep | name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" |
| 20:39.10 | tkep | name="UNDEFINED" |
| 20:39.15 | tkep | i can give the rest |
| 20:39.18 | Rigolo | tkep: in my case it was the build in BT device that was also DFU capable |
| 20:39.38 | kd8ikt | -d --device vendor:product |
| 20:39.42 | Yanroy | tkep: have you tried specifying the device manuall |
| 20:39.48 | Yanroy | ...like kd8ikt just said :P |
| 20:39.51 | tkep | Rigolo, that's likely it as when i first tried to flash it, my BT mouse dropped |
| 20:39.52 | Rigolo | Yanroy: well .. that will explain something .. it wants to "upgrade" to git25 (from git 23) |
| 20:40.03 | tkep | great, gimme a second and let me see how it goes |
| 20:40.05 | tkep | thanks guys |
| 20:40.12 | kd8ikt | heh snds like you/it tried flashing your mouse |
| 20:40.44 | kd8ikt | that'd be funny if your mouse was able to make/recieve phone calls after it |
| 20:40.46 | Rigolo | tkep: I disable BT on my dell, saw a disconnect in dmesg .. and it was not listed in lsusb and had not problems |
| 20:40.48 | Yanroy | is this dfu thing some kind of standard flashing protocol? I figured since dfu-util was made by OM, it was FR-specific |
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| 20:41.13 | tkep | Rigolo, i need it...my mouse is invaluable :) |
| 20:41.35 | tkep | but i'll keep it in mind. i'll hop in the dell bios and set the switch to turn off the BT radio only |
| 20:41.39 | kd8ikt | -d 0x1457:0x5119 |
| 20:41.43 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: well .. I have a "phone" mouse here ... a real working mouse .. that is also an analog phone |
| 20:41.46 | kd8ikt | noneed |
| 20:41.49 | Yanroy | if you think your mouse is invaluable, you're not spending enough time in the shell |
| 20:42.07 | kd8ikt | dont disable BT |
| 20:42.11 | Rigolo | tkep: I just used the FN + F2 button from within ubuntu .. and it was turned off |
| 20:42.25 | kd8ikt | can you pastebing what ./dfutil --list shows? |
| 20:42.38 | tkep | one sec, i'm testing a few things you suggested :) |
| 20:42.43 | tkep | Rigolo, thanks, i'll see what happens |
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| 20:43.13 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: well .. that is also a possibility .. just tell dfutil what device to use ... turning off BT was easier :-) |
| 20:43.18 | kd8ikt | and yes we all know if you put ./dfutil in a $PATH folder we wouldnt have to cd to our flash dir and type ./dfu |
| 20:43.43 | kd8ikt | but thats a hell of a lot of garbage to go through Rigolo |
| 20:44.08 | kd8ikt | reboot, edit bios boot backin blah blah |
| 20:44.14 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: well .. here it was just FN + F2 .. and it was off ... |
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| 20:44.48 | kd8ikt | ok but i coulda swore he said something about bios |
| 20:45.00 | jOERG_rw | kd8ikt: (wifiweasel) i didn't exactly fix it, just spotted a very obvious flaw I noticed when looking at it |
| 20:45.08 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: well .. that was before I explaind the FN trick :-) |
| 20:45.30 | kd8ikt | evening jOERG |
| 20:45.53 | kd8ikt | formating is a lot more pretty aswell |
| 20:45.59 | jOERG_rw | nah, it's 4:45am here |
| 20:46.06 | Rigolo | kd8ikt: unless he is connected via Wifi ... FN + F2 also turns off Wifi :-) ... but we did not see a disconect yet :-) |
| 20:46.21 | kd8ikt | fudge what timezone is that joe |
| 20:46.33 | kd8ikt | thats like austrialia |
| 20:47.10 | tkep | Yanroy, oh, come on, i need the mouse for more things than poking in the shell |
| 20:47.22 | tkep | i like browsing the web on occasion, call me weird |
| 20:47.24 | jOERG_rw | BIIIIG typhoon raging Taiwan. Only I don't notice anything other than nasty rain outside |
| 20:47.50 | Rigolo | tkep: that is why they invented the cord-ed mouse ... :-) |
| 20:48.00 | Rigolo | cordless is so 2007 :-) |
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| 20:50.12 | tkep | ....sigh |
| 20:50.13 | tkep | brb |
| 20:50.48 | kd8ikt | i wanna go live in china joeg |
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| 20:51.31 | kd8ikt | i'm a reverse twinky |
| 20:51.46 | holycow | rofl |
| 20:51.51 | holycow | kinky |
| 20:51.53 | holycow | kinky twinky |
| 20:52.02 | kd8ikt | white on the outside yellow on the inside |
| 20:53.02 | kd8ikt | then agian i'd probably swim/defect over to japan |
| 20:54.12 | tkep | getting a -d: No such file or dir.... |
| 20:54.18 | tkep | but it seems to be at least attempting |
| 20:54.31 | tkep | ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D -d --device 0x1d50:0x5119 uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin |
| 20:54.40 | kd8ikt | pastebin the --list output |
| 20:54.41 | tkep | that's the full command |
| 20:54.50 | tkep | k |
| 20:54.51 | holycow | heh |
| 20:54.56 | holycow | website is registered |
| 20:54.58 | holycow | funny |
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| 20:56.23 | tkep | kd8ikt, http://pastebin.ca/1084573 |
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| 20:57.37 | kd8ikt | hm |
| 20:58.33 | kd8ikt | UNDEFINED your mouse? |
| 20:58.40 | tkep | yup |
| 20:59.00 | tkep | well, i would have assumed so, but my mouse dropped when i ran the original command with no device specified |
| 20:59.04 | tkep | checking dmesg now |
| 20:59.56 | kd8ikt | i'm at a loss for advice |
| 21:00.09 | tkep | yay |
| 21:00.21 | tkep | good to know that i'm sol as usual :) |
| 21:00.24 | tkep | one sec |
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| 21:02.49 | tkep | kd8ikt, same error when trying to flash the rootfs |
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| 21:03.25 | HardDisk_WP | does the freerunner support multitouch? |
| 21:03.54 | Rigolo | HardDisk_WP: nope |
| 21:04.03 | HardDisk_WP | kk |
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| 21:04.41 | smhar | Rigolo, do you mean at the hardware level or the software level |
| 21:04.53 | SpeedEvil | smhar: both |
| 21:05.00 | ChaosEagle | Good evening! :) |
| 21:05.01 | smhar | k |
| 21:05.13 | smhar | k |
| 21:05.50 | ChaosEagle | can anyone tell me how to flash the u-boot? Using dfu-util, I assume... |
| 21:05.58 | smhar | SpeedEvil, another feature I can live without :-) |
| 21:06.20 | Rigolo | ChaosEagle: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_Openmoko |
| 21:06.23 | Rigolo | it is all there |
| 21:06.30 | ChaosEagle | thx |
| 21:06.52 | Rigolo | or better: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 21:07.02 | SpeedEvil | I want hypermegamultitouch. |
| 21:07.04 | ChaosEagle | Rigolo: thanks :) |
| 21:07.08 | SpeedEvil | Or fingerprint-reading. |
| 21:07.31 | Rigolo | last section .... make sure that you get the right uboot version .. .most likely you have a v5 .. but better check to be sure |
| 21:07.31 | SpeedEvil | So I can press my pinky to the screen, and it'll do one thing. The left-hand-side of my index finger, another. |
| 21:08.05 | Rigolo | SpeedEvil: and then it is minus 20 .. and you are wearing gloves .. :-) |
| 21:08.08 | leinir | SpeedEvil: Need to work with Synaptics on that one, they got nifty ideas ;) |
| 21:08.31 | ChaosEagle | Rigolo: will do, thanks a lot |
| 21:08.43 | smhar | SpeedEvil, maybe Freerunner 2 |
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| 21:09.07 | Rigolo | ChaosEagle: but are you sure you need to flash uboot? |
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| 21:11.43 | ChaosEagle | Rigolo: Well... I want to boot from ext3... withouth the vfat partition |
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| 21:12.02 | Rigolo | ChaosEagle: and what version are you using now then? |
| 21:12.15 | ChaosEagle | good question, really ;) |
| 21:12.28 | ChaosEagle | Give me a sec |
| 21:13.28 | ChaosEagle | Rigolo: U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12 (May 9 2008 - 10:28:48) |
| 21:13.54 | Rigolo | ChaosEagle: and are you sure that version is not capable of ext3 booting? |
| 21:14.26 | ChaosEagle | Rigolo: Aye, there was a post in the forums some days ago, stating that this functionality only got into u-boot recently |
| 21:14.46 | ChaosEagle | Rigolo: Up to now, it needs a seperate vfat partition on the sd |
| 21:15.05 | kd8ikt | tkep: still having probs? |
| 21:15.40 | Rigolo | may 9th not recent enough? |
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| 21:16.29 | spydon | My resolv.conf always keeps changing back to 192.168.0.200 how do I make my changes persistant? |
| 21:16.56 | ChaosEagle | As I said, the image I have can't boot from anything but vfat |
| 21:17.06 | ChaosEagle | and I'm not willing to repartition my sd card again... |
| 21:17.18 | peter-b | spydon: take a look at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:18.43 | Rigolo | ChaosEagle: and what version is then available on the buildhost? |
| 21:19.03 | spydon | thx peter-b |
| 21:19.11 | ChaosEagle | Rigolo: the same, appearantly -.- |
| 21:19.21 | tkep | kd8ikt, yeah, sorry, i just got a call at work. troubleshooting network issues for RHEL :) |
| 21:19.31 | Rigolo | ChaosEagle: u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr6+<GUID> ... looks older to me even :-) |
| 21:19.33 | tkep | basically the same thing you are doing for me, except i get paid. |
| 21:19.46 | ChaosEagle | nope, not older, but the same... |
| 21:19.46 | tkep | so, basically, i owe you a beer |
| 21:19.48 | kd8ikt | rub it in |
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| 21:20.11 | kd8ikt | they should use irc |
| 21:20.11 | tkep | luckily mine was a simple "why am i getting a siocaddrt error?" |
| 21:20.11 | ChaosEagle | So it's more waiting until the image hits the buildhost, then :&/ |
| 21:20.14 | ChaosEagle | -& |
| 21:20.22 | tkep | because you are an idiot sir. |
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| 21:20.35 | Rigolo | ChaosEagle: 1.3.1 looks older then 1.3.2 to me ... :-) |
| 21:20.36 | Bubbi | Hey all :) |
| 21:20.42 | tkep | anywho...back to my issue, yes, still getting the same error |
| 21:20.49 | tkep | i can give you the full error if it helps |
| 21:21.12 | Rigolo | tkep ... what do you see when you do a lsusb on your desktop machine |
| 21:21.21 | kd8ikt | guess the next option is to pull any other usb's out and try again |
| 21:21.31 | ChaosEagle | Rigolo: Oh, got a typo up there |
| 21:21.38 | tkep | Rigolo, nothing about the fr |
| 21:21.42 | tkep | well, nothing in text |
| 21:21.45 | ChaosEagle | it should be 1.3.1, at least the other image is from the same date |
| 21:22.16 | tkep | Bus 003 Device 017: ID 1d50:5119 |
| 21:22.20 | ChaosEagle | anyway... anything new about the gemplus-SIM-issue? |
| 21:22.21 | tkep | that would be the freerunner, no? |
| 21:23.07 | Rigolo | that is what I got here also tkep |
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| 21:24.27 | tkep | let me try flashing by specifying the alt number |
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| 21:25.00 | tkep | eh, same thing as name |
| 21:25.01 | Rigolo | tkep: and when you put yout FR in DFU mode .. and then do a dfutil -l you get? |
| 21:25.08 | Rigolo | Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=37, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" |
| 21:25.46 | tkep | Rigolo, http://pastebin.ca/1084573 |
| 21:25.56 | tkep | i used to get that |
| 21:26.00 | tkep | until i got this error |
| 21:26.06 | tkep | now i get what's in pastebin |
| 21:26.12 | tkep | it's like it's in limbo or something |
| 21:26.37 | Rigolo | are you sure it is in DFU mode? |
| 21:27.18 | tkep | yes |
| 21:27.39 | Rigolo | and you did specify on dfutil what device to use? like kd8ikt told you? |
| 21:27.41 | kd8ikt | unplug; reboot into nand (hold power then aux together) then plug in usb |
| 21:27.42 | tkep | if i turn it off and back on |
| 21:27.45 | tkep | i get this: |
| 21:27.54 | tkep | Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=21, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" |
| 21:27.54 | tkep | Found Runtime: [0x413c:0x8127] devnum=7, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" |
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| 21:28.13 | tkep | then i do: ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D -d --device 0x1d50:0x5119 uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin |
| 21:28.13 | Rigolo | that is better ... the first one is the FR |
| 21:28.27 | tkep | and then it switches to what is in pastebin, after erroring out |
| 21:29.13 | kd8ikt | have the latest dfu-util? |
| 21:29.19 | tkep | i assume so |
| 21:29.40 | tkep | dfu-util version 0.1+svn4160 |
| 21:30.30 | tkep | downloaded yesterday from http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/dfu-util |
| 21:30.40 | kd8ikt | uboot version? |
| 21:30.49 | kd8ikt | shipped one? |
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| 21:31.05 | tkep | 1.3.2-moko12 |
| 21:31.19 | tkep | is that the shipped? |
| 21:31.34 | kd8ikt | thinkso |
| 21:31.44 | Rigolo | tkep: you used bot the -d and the --device statement ... that is too much I think |
| 21:31.59 | tkep | Rigolo, not according the the --help of ./dfu-util |
| 21:32.00 | Rigolo | just try -d 0x1457:0x5119 |
| 21:32.06 | kd8ikt | heh yeah -d is --device |
| 21:32.14 | Rigolo | tkep: it is -d OR --device ... not both |
| 21:32.15 | kd8ikt | either or |
| 21:32.16 | tkep | idiot |
| 21:32.20 | tkep | no, i knew that |
| 21:32.28 | tkep | sigh....i misread the thing |
| 21:32.36 | HardDisk_WP | n8 |
| 21:32.36 | tkep | can read a man page, but is just dumb |
| 21:33.09 | kd8ikt | crosses fingers hoping it'll work now |
| 21:34.05 | tkep | kd8ikt, now i get the more than one dfu device |
| 21:34.17 | tkep | ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D --device 0x1d50:0x5119 uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin |
| 21:34.23 | tkep | this whole thing is a humbling experience |
| 21:34.44 | tkep | shit |
| 21:34.46 | tkep | i'm dumb again |
| 21:34.49 | tkep | one sec |
| 21:34.54 | kd8ikt | humbling or like masterbation with a cheese grater |
| 21:35.03 | Rigolo | ]tkep ... it think it should be 0x1457:0x5119 |
| 21:36.43 | tkep | nope, it's right |
| 21:36.47 | tkep | and it's fucking working |
| 21:36.47 | kd8ikt | ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D kernel.bin -d devicenode |
| 21:36.53 | tkep | holy crap-monster |
| 21:37.13 | tkep | kd8ikt, i did it a bit different, but it works now :) |
| 21:37.17 | Rigolo | let me guess ... forgot sudo :-) |
| 21:37.24 | kd8ikt | -D (needs its download file) |
| 21:37.35 | tkep | no, kd8ikt got it |
| 21:37.40 | kd8ikt | then extra comments |
| 21:37.43 | Rigolo | okee |
| 21:37.50 | tkep | ok, now my next question |
| 21:37.57 | Rigolo | so what is next? uboot upgrade :-) |
| 21:38.05 | kd8ikt | thats good might want to save that cmd you used for future reference |
| 21:38.08 | tkep | is it normal for the flash NOR screen to go away after a few seconds? |
| 21:38.13 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 21:38.19 | kd8ikt | timeout |
| 21:38.21 | tkep | can i get it back without shutting down? |
| 21:38.24 | Rigolo | 30 secs |
| 21:38.34 | Rigolo | it is shutdown :-) |
| 21:38.38 | kd8ikt | go ahead and flash a new NAND image |
| 21:38.38 | tkep | sigh... |
| 21:38.41 | tkep | k |
| 21:38.51 | tkep | one sec, thanks so much for helping me see my syntax errors |
| 21:38.52 | tkep | damnit |
| 21:39.03 | tkep | i wish it was a real problem so i didn't feel dumb |
| 21:39.03 | CM | You need to press the aux button now and then while in dfu-mode to keep it awake |
| 21:39.04 | kd8ikt | last i checked there waas a glitch when reflashing a new rootfs |
| 21:39.10 | pjz | anyone got a FR handy to tell me what version of python is on it? |
| 21:39.11 | tkep | one sec |
| 21:39.34 | kd8ikt | it wouldnt erase rootfs first so you'd be left with files leftover from previous jffs image |
| 21:39.54 | CM | kd8ikt: Wasn't that only on gta01? |
| 21:39.55 | kd8ikt | and one had to go into uboot shell and manually erase rootfs |
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| 21:40.09 | kd8ikt | no it happened to me on the stock uboot |
| 21:40.20 | CM | Mine was shipped with a bad uboot, but that was fixed in august 2007 iirc |
| 21:40.44 | CM | kd8ikt: On the FR? Ouch.. |
| 21:41.11 | kd8ikt | but i updated to latest uboot a few days ago and so far hasnt seen it happen again |
| 21:41.20 | kd8ikt | then agian i havent flashed the rootfs in awhile |
| 21:41.21 | Rigolo | mine came with 1.3.2 uboot version already .... |
| 21:41.55 | kd8ikt | my stock uboot had a weird version "dirty" was in the name |
| 21:42.26 | kd8ikt | i'm sure its somewhere in the irc logs |
| 21:42.26 | Rigolo | sure you got a gta02v5 :-) |
| 21:42.32 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 21:42.49 | kd8ikt | gta02v5b |
| 21:43.07 | Rigolo | is going to leave you guys .... let see if I can get some sleep ... |
| 21:43.19 | tkep | alright, currently flashing the root filesystem, let's see how that goes |
| 21:43.25 | tkep | Rigolo, thanks for all the help!!! |
| 21:43.26 | spydon | what is the difference between gta02v5 and gta02v5b? |
| 21:43.31 | kd8ikt | dunno |
| 21:43.38 | Rigolo | spydon: just a missed b :-) |
| 21:43.58 | spydon | hehe k :P |
| 21:44.10 | Rigolo | before people stat looking for the ilustrious gta02v5 :-) |
| 21:44.35 | Rigolo | before you know it ... you can get one on ebay from 1500 USD :-) |
| 21:45.03 | Rigolo | but ... I was gone :-) |
| 21:45.45 | |Marco| | hehhe |
| 21:49.31 | ChaosEagle | I'm going too |
| 21:49.32 | Quai | bah, I hate this no-charging-on-empty-battery bug |
| 21:49.39 | ChaosEagle | good night everybody =) |
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| 21:51.38 | ieatlint | well, my team did not win, did not lose, and scored all the goals in the game |
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| 21:56.58 | jopk | hi |
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| 21:59.19 | jopk | I just do the getting started guide. the freerunner has a connection to inet and now I want to upgrade my software. I run opkg update, and as described in the tut, with the 8 signature errors. next step is "opkg upgrade dropbear", but I only get "nothinh to be done. I think the update didn't work. Any ideas? |
| 22:00.27 | ieatlint | "opkg status dropbear" ... if the version is 0.51-r1, it's current |
| 22:00.29 | pjz | do an upgrade again, check to see if there's an error about downloading the Packages.gz file |
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| 22:02.01 | jopk | do you mean update? |
| 22:02.07 | pjz | yeah |
| 22:02.09 | pjz | sorry :P |
| 22:02.28 | pjz | anyone able to tell me what version of python is/can be on FR ? |
| 22:02.36 | jopk | error 8 + faild sig files |
| 22:03.18 | kd8ikt | root@om-gta02:~# python -V |
| 22:03.19 | kd8ikt | Python 2.5.2 |
| 22:03.35 | jopk | dropbear, version 0.49 |
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| 22:03.56 | ieatlint | what do you mean by "error 8" ? |
| 22:05.10 | jopk | that was the last line I got as output |
| 22:05.36 | ieatlint | well, i dunno what error 8 is, but that's the problem |
| 22:05.42 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 22:05.42 | jopk | I use putty and a proxy on xp, if that matters |
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| 22:06.05 | kd8ikt | does it mean error cant fetch pkg? |
| 22:06.16 | ieatlint | oh, do you mean it says 8 errors, or error 8 (as in, error code 8) |
| 22:06.25 | jopk | yeah, sry |
| 22:06.41 | ieatlint | yeah, your phone probably isn't actually online |
| 22:06.45 | jopk | error code 8 |
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| 22:06.59 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rd88b728ac761 10/data/ (6 files in 2 dirs): use unicode arrows |
| 22:07.19 | jopk | it seems to download a lot of packages... not only for the FR |
| 22:07.28 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: well, any progress on your problem ? |
| 22:07.42 | ieatlint | no, i suppose i could re-flash now though :P |
| 22:08.14 | Ainulindale | If you manage to find the cause, please tell me in private as I won't be there I think |
| 22:08.21 | Ainulindale | (It's well past midnight here) |
| 22:10.14 | jopk | do I have to restart after opkg update? |
| 22:10.33 | jopk | reboot? |
| 22:11.08 | ieatlint | will do |
| 22:11.25 | CM | jopk: Should not be necessary |
| 22:11.30 | pjz | kd8ikt: thanks for the python info; I'm reading the lint-wifi code, doing some pythonic fixups; that lets me know what syntax I can use :) |
| 22:11.34 | CM | jopk: Except for updating the kernel |
| 22:12.57 | ieatlint | pjz: be sure to submit those fixes back ;) |
| 22:13.33 | pjz | ieatlint: yup, will do. They're minor but make the coe a bit more readable IMHO |
| 22:13.44 | pjz | ieatlint: oh, hey, you the author? |
| 22:13.45 | ieatlint | yeah, it's a bit of a mess |
| 22:13.55 | ieatlint | you got the code from svn right? |
| 22:13.57 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 22:14.00 | pjz | .nod |
| 22:14.01 | pjz | yeah |
| 22:14.08 | ieatlint | ok, that's current... |
| 22:14.16 | ieatlint | (my first python app) |
| 22:17.14 | kd8ikt | works fine for me so far, then again my moko autostarts wpa_supplicant at boot and my config is solid |
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| 22:17.50 | kd8ikt | wpa_supplicant will continue to search and lock onto a new AP if the current one gets out of range right? |
| 22:18.10 | ieatlint | it should, anyway |
| 22:18.30 | kd8ikt | heh yay now i just need to make sure udhcpc has a fast renew rate |
| 22:18.58 | kd8ikt | like once a min or so or just renew it via lint-wifi |
| 22:21.10 | ieatlint | kd8ikt: udhcpc config can force the lease time... |
| 22:22.13 | ieatlint | "lease=60 udhcpc -b" i think will do it |
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| 22:35.58 | Cooldude1922 | I'm having problems with motomakefile. |
| 22:38.08 | Cooldude1922 | is there anyone here who can help me |
| 22:38.11 | Cooldude1922 | ? |
| 22:38.22 | CM | Cooldude1922: Describe your problem and someone will probably know |
| 22:38.23 | mmaestri | perhaps you should go to #motorola for that :P |
| 22:38.33 | CM | mmaestri: Hehe ;) |
| 22:38.42 | Cooldude1922 | NOTE: Handling BitBake files: / (2124/5574) [38 %] |
| 22:39.10 | Cooldude1922 | it's stuck there. |
| 22:39.37 | CM | I guess it fails to download some sources maybe? |
| 22:40.01 | CM | Was that during make setup or make update or what? |
| 22:40.22 | CM | I started a new build using the makefile about 3 hours ago, no problems |
| 22:40.30 | Cooldude1922 | make openmoko-devel-install. |
| 22:40.43 | Cooldude1922 | *image |
| 22:41.04 | CM | Hmm.. That's what I'm building too now |
| 22:41.08 | Cooldude1922 | how long does it take on average to build an ARM version of openmoko? |
| 22:41.18 | CM | Depens on the computer |
| 22:41.34 | CM | On my old one, amd64 1gb ram, it took around 12 hours |
| 22:41.39 | CM | from scratch |
| 22:41.42 | ajbrun | i'm doing mine now |
| 22:41.46 | ajbrun | and i'm sure it's died |
| 22:41.55 | ajbrun | NOTE: package openmoko-devel-image-1.0: completed |
| 22:41.59 | ajbrun | just says that for ages |
| 22:42.10 | Cooldude1922 | lol.....how do I know when it's done? |
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| 22:42.19 | CM | ajbrun: Disk full? |
| 22:42.23 | CM | It takes a lot of space.. |
| 22:42.24 | ajbrun | shouldn't be |
| 22:42.26 | tkep | sorry i just dropped out earlier |
| 22:42.33 | tkep | had to leave work in a hurry :) |
| 22:42.50 | ajbrun | 200+ gb free |
| 22:43.05 | CM | Heh, ok. Takes 10-12 gb or so to build from scratch |
| 22:43.09 | Cooldude1922 | wait...if it builds for ARM it's not any smaller than the regular image? |
| 22:43.19 | Cooldude1922 | I'm building for OMAP3EVM |
| 22:43.28 | ajbrun | http://pastebin.com/d65520189 |
| 22:43.37 | ajbrun | has that last line for about an hour now at a guess |
| 22:43.49 | ajbrun | always seems to freeze somewhere |
| 22:44.07 | CM | Weird |
| 22:44.16 | CM | Usually it's just mono that fails for me |
| 22:44.27 | ajbrun | but then i have qemu-arm at 96% cpu which i guess it that |
| 22:44.33 | CM | Cooldude1922: Why building for that arm? Trying to do what? |
| 22:44.38 | ajbrun | so it must be doing something |
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| 22:44.58 | CM | ajbrun: It uses qemu-arm to generate locales I think |
| 22:45.03 | ajbrun | i'll have to stop it soon to go to bed anyway - i'll re start it again tomorrow morning and just let it run |
| 22:45.03 | Cooldude1922 | I'm trying to check for backward compatability with older phones....razr, and some other ones. |
| 22:45.09 | CM | Used to take around an hour |
| 22:45.10 | ajbrun | i thought i turned locales off |
| 22:45.18 | CM | Ok, then I don't know |
| 22:45.28 | ajbrun | ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" |
| 22:45.34 | CM | Cooldude1922: I think there's quite a lot about that in the mailinglists |
| 22:45.38 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.38 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.39 | CM | ajbrun: That should do it yes |
| 22:45.55 | kd8ikt | print ("nuclear meltdown initiated") |
| 22:45.59 | CM | Cooldude1922: Taken a look at Angstrom? |
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| 22:46.09 | Cooldude1922 | um no... |
| 22:46.26 | CM | Or open ezx? |
| 22:47.02 | Cooldude1922 | no.... |
| 22:47.06 | Cooldude1922 | should I have? |
| 22:47.14 | jOERG_rw | kd8ikt: never reaches the print() ;-) |
| 22:47.24 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 22:47.50 | CM | Cooldude1922: Maybe, if you want to play with a razor |
| 22:47.50 | jOERG_rw | you should print() before while(1)! |
| 22:48.00 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 22:48.14 | jOERG_rw | or inside the loop |
| 22:48.23 | kd8ikt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb |
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| 22:48.44 | Cooldude1922 | well, I just looked at openezx and they dont fit in line with what I'm trying to do. |
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| 22:50.37 | Cooldude1922 | angstrom doesn't either. |
| 22:51.27 | donomo | haha. i am loving FSO. responsive and reliable is great, even if its phone-only |
| 22:51.37 | donomo | struggled with 2007.2 |
| 22:51.58 | tkep | donomo, any good guides for installing fso? |
| 22:52.04 | tkep | it appears, to me, to be the most promising |
| 22:52.05 | kd8ikt | i just wanted to make that simple 360 bubble level program as a proof oc concept for the accellerometers |
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| 22:52.34 | donomo | tkep: the install is simple, like the other images, dfu-util -a kernel, and dfu-util -a rootfs |
| 22:52.57 | tkep | awesome. still the same opkg update/upgrade? do you have to change the repos? |
| 22:52.59 | pjz | ieatlint: you around? |
| 22:53.07 | ieatlint | yeah |
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| 22:53.37 | pjz | ieatlint: is lint-wifi.py the main program? |
| 22:53.49 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 22:53.58 | pjz | oka |
| 22:54.06 | ieatlint | wpa_lint is a "replacement" for wpa_cli |
| 22:54.37 | kd8ikt | oh i thought it was a suppliment |
| 22:54.50 | ieatlint | (increases command support -- wpa_cli doesn't allow the "set_network" command except in interactive mode) |
| 22:56.34 | memo_ | please watch my emo: http://emogochi.eu/index.php?page=show&id=11347&lang=en thx:D |
| 22:57.00 | tkep | Chocky, ping |
| 22:57.19 | *** part/#openmoko Cooldude1922 (n=Cooldude@138.88.42.24) |
| 22:57.28 | donomo | tkep: actually im a bit confused on that point because the FSO image uses the same repos |
| 22:57.33 | ieatlint | i look down on anyone who actually loads that url |
| 22:57.42 | tkep | donomo, that's all i needed to know :) |
| 22:57.44 | donomo | tkep: so i dont know if that means there is no FSO_comptible repo, or there is no need for one and the mail repo is fine |
| 22:57.57 | donomo | s/mail/main/ |
| 22:58.19 | ieatlint | donomo: FSO is a "proof of concept" image that only does telephony (ie, phone calls ONLY .. no sms, no contacts, no call history, nothing) |
| 22:58.21 | donomo | after a week of this, i'll be trying ASU and qtopia too. |
| 22:58.33 | edistar | ieatlint: FSO is the daemons and stuff, zhone is the demo app |
| 22:58.41 | edistar | and it does sms now too.. |
| 22:58.43 | edistar | and contacts |
| 22:58.45 | ieatlint | i mean the FSO image |
| 22:58.49 | donomo | ieatlint: yes i know :) and it does that with a wonderfully fast response time and a pretty blue background |
| 22:58.56 | edistar | ieatlint: yes, it also contains the daemons etc |
| 22:59.01 | donomo | edistar: oh really. |
| 22:59.02 | ieatlint | but yeah, i look forward to milestone2 :) |
| 22:59.08 | edistar | donomo: yes :) |
| 22:59.21 | donomo | edistar: is there a daily for FSO? im using milestone1 |
| 22:59.33 | tkep | currently updating om2007.2 with opkg update...prays it works well this time |
| 22:59.40 | tkep | sigh... |
| 22:59.43 | edistar | donomo: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/ totally unofficial :) |
| 22:59.48 | tkep | is currently* |
| 23:00.02 | alphaone | totally :-) |
| 23:00.15 | edistar | alphaone: hope you don't mind? :) |
| 23:00.23 | alphaone | edistar: No, go ahead |
| 23:00.42 | edistar | not that I'm stealing your bandwidth |
| 23:00.55 | alphaone | I had hoped to have an updated image tonight, but I think I'm too tired |
| 23:01.22 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rd6838d19ac2d 10/data/themes/ (zhone.edc zhone_menu.edc): Move TARGET macro to zhone.edc |
| 23:01.22 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * re4072f2c416a 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): use the target gird for contacts |
| 23:01.22 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * racb70a2587f1 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): also use the target grid for list_choose and sms |
| 23:01.22 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r89d9af7c45e6 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): add pager and do some fine-tuning |
| 23:01.22 | donomo | edistar/alphaone: thanks |
| 23:01.45 | CM | GTA01 people have to build it themselves or? :) |
| 23:01.51 | tkep | ok, time to go eat. be back later |
| 23:01.52 | edistar | CM: yes |
| 23:02.09 | donomo | whats the difference between rootfs.jffs2 and rootfs.jffs2.summary? |
| 23:02.13 | CM | edistar: Ok, np. Just restarted a new build with the right requirements |
| 23:04.14 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r3516aceb15e7 10/src/zhone: remove debug prints |
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| 23:06.10 | pjz | donomo: the .summary has some extra info in the fs that makes it startup a bit faster |
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| 23:11.35 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r84bbb0c6f2bf 10/src/zhone: fix copy and paste error |
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| 23:15.08 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rcb748dcabf98 10/src/zhone: fix star button |
| 23:15.18 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r454c2a1da4ad 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (abstract/modem.py ti_calypso/channel.py): ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: don't mix + and % commands in one command. should fix the bogus-resume-without-reason bug |
| 23:15.57 | donomo | FSO runs on a lot of python. |
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| 23:26.14 | linuxxr | problems with dns configuration |
| 23:26.55 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.06 | ajbrun | hi - could someone help real quick? |
| 23:28.13 | donomo | linuxxr: i hand-edit /etc/resolv.conf to fix that |
| 23:28.14 | ajbrun | i have openmoko running in qemu atm |
| 23:28.29 | linuxxr | but what to put in there |
| 23:28.36 | ajbrun | but i don't seem to be able to do anything and the GUI looks nothing like i've seen before |
| 23:28.47 | linuxxr | i have a router at 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:29.07 | ajbrun | i have 4 buttons at the button - a phone, a Q, a star and a padlock, but none of them do anything when clicked |
| 23:29.09 | pjz | ieatlint: okay, patch submitted to the project tracker |
| 23:29.11 | ajbrun | is this normal? |
| 23:29.18 | donomo | linuxxr: use the IP address of the DNS server from your ISP. or use 4.2.2.2 |
| 23:29.42 | pjz | ajbrun: mm... they should do something; did you let it finish booting up? |
| 23:29.52 | ajbrun | yep |
| 23:30.02 | pjz | ajbrun: no idea. |
| 23:30.07 | linuxxr | i have some public addresses in /etc/resolve on my desktop |
| 23:30.15 | linuxxr | 4 of them |
| 23:31.02 | ajbrun | http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1803/screenshotqemuvb3.png |
| 23:31.09 | ajbrun | screenie of that i'm looking at |
| 23:32.13 | donomo | linuxxr: perfect |
| 23:32.14 | pjz | ajbrun: well, that looks okayish |
| 23:32.36 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.43 | donomo | linuxxr: it doesnt matter |
| 23:32.47 | linuxxr | ok |
| 23:34.01 | linuxxr | ok they were in there |
| 23:34.55 | tkep | so, what can be done with the ncurses error i get everytime i attempt to update? |
| 23:35.09 | tkep | i assume i'm not the only person with this issue |
| 23:35.17 | linuxxr | oping: bad address 'www.yahoo.com' |
| 23:35.25 | donomo | tkep: remove --force ncurses |
| 23:35.31 | donomo | tkep: the libncurses is enough |
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| 23:36.26 | tkep | donomo, thanks |
| 23:37.30 | tkep | linuxxr, can you put the contents of your resolv.conf in pastebin? |
| 23:37.57 | linuxxr | do i need an account? |
| 23:38.00 | tkep | i mean, honestly, it should read "nameserver xx.xx.xx.xx" |
| 23:38.12 | tkep | and, most people, can just put the ip of the router |
| 23:38.21 | linuxxr | ok |
| 23:38.26 | tkep | my linksys router with tomato firmware is 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:38.39 | tkep | so my /etc/resolv.conf reads "nameserver 192.168.1.1" |
| 23:38.42 | linuxxr | mine is 0.1 |
| 23:38.48 | tkep | so yeah, do that |
| 23:38.51 | linuxxr | ok |
| 23:39.01 | linuxxr | on the freerunner? |
| 23:39.04 | tkep | yup |
| 23:39.12 | tkep | obviously, you'll need to remove the quotes |
| 23:39.22 | tkep | the easiest way is to do this: |
| 23:39.33 | *** join/#openmoko iormz (n=oramirez@189.153.194.110) |
| 23:39.42 | tkep | # echo "nameserver 192.168.0.1" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:39.49 | tkep | that'll put it in there with one command |
| 23:40.42 | tkep | (that command needs the quotes btw) |
| 23:42.34 | linuxxr | bad address 'www.yahoo.com |
| 23:43.15 | linuxxr | still will ping a # address |
| 23:43.15 | tkep | so, what's the first line of # cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:44.24 | linuxxr | nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:44.35 | linuxxr | only 1 line |
| 23:45.02 | linuxxr | thats on the freerunner |
| 23:45.10 | tkep | and # ping -c 4 69.147.76.15 |
| 23:45.12 | tkep | that works? |
| 23:45.25 | linuxxr | yes |
| 23:46.08 | linuxxr | why does wiki say 192.168.0.200/ |
| 23:46.15 | tkep | ok, so you definitely can ping yahoo |
| 23:46.21 | linuxxr | yes |
| 23:46.30 | linuxxr | no dns though |
| 23:47.28 | linuxxr | maybe i dont have a dns server |
| 23:47.37 | tkep | linuxxr, so, what if you add 208.67.222.222 as the nameserver? |
| 23:47.46 | linuxxr | ok |
| 23:47.52 | linuxxr | wat is it |
| 23:48.00 | tkep | that's opendns's main nameserver |
| 23:48.05 | tkep | it's safe :) |
| 23:48.12 | linuxxr | ok |
| 23:48.14 | tkep | https://www.opendns.com/start?device=ubuntu |
| 23:48.28 | linuxxr | usins slackware |
| 23:48.33 | tkep | doesn't matter |
| 23:48.47 | tkep | i'm just giving you that so you know that i'm not giving you a rogue dns |
| 23:49.16 | linuxxr | ok |
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| 23:52.05 | tkep | any word? |
| 23:52.58 | tkep | so, after an opkg upgrade today, i hang at the openmoko splash screen. i take it i'll need to reflash it? |
| 23:53.14 | Chocky | the kernel, yes |
| 23:53.28 | tkep | but not the rest? |
| 23:53.31 | linuxxr | shes working now |
| 23:53.38 | tkep | glad to hear linuxxr :) |
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| 23:53.43 | linuxxr | TY |
| 23:53.56 | tkep | np, i've received some good help in here, figured i could give back |
| 23:54.03 | linuxxr | make a little help thing outa that |
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| 23:54.19 | tkep | linuxxr, do what? |
| 23:54.23 | Chocky | will answer for any confusion on the USB networking page. |
| 23:54.46 | tkep | and Chocky, so all i need to do is flash the kernel? the april one? |
| 23:55.00 | Chocky | perhaps just go back to yesterday's |
| 23:55.08 | tkep | ok, sounds good |
| 23:55.08 | linuxxr | ahhhh im a linux noob thats the prob |
| 23:55.10 | tkep | thanks |
| 23:55.11 | Chocky | I don't know what the details are, but that's what I'm running. |
| 23:55.31 | tkep | linuxxr, a noob running slack, good job. that's a good distro to start on |
| 23:55.50 | tkep | you'll appreciate easier distros after that :P |
| 23:55.51 | Chocky | heh, perhaps. It depends how you want to approach it |
| 23:56.06 | Chocky | if you "just want it to work", Ubuntu _might_ be a good choice |
| 23:56.18 | tkep | thus ^^^ |
| 23:56.20 | linuxxr | i have used a bunch of linuxxes but im a simple kinda guy an slack has NEVER failed me |
| 23:56.31 | tkep | linuxxr, good to hear |
| 23:56.31 | Chocky | im = instant messenger :p |
| 23:56.33 | linuxxr | ubuntu has |
| 23:57.02 | Chocky | Ubuntu is a bit too inflexible for my linking however. It quite reasonably targets a certain section of the Linux audience. |
| 23:57.06 | Chocky | linkin |
| 23:57.09 | Chocky | liking! |
| 23:57.12 | linuxxr | nows i can opkg upgrade:) |
| 23:57.37 | tkep | ha, and get the hang like i did |
| 23:58.02 | tkep | so what do you use Chocky? debian? |
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| 23:58.11 | orzo | hello |
| 23:58.12 | Chocky | Debian tries to be all things, and mostly does a good job, most of the time. It fails on small devices, but EmDebian is improving that. |
| 23:58.14 | Chocky | yessir. |
| 23:58.20 | linuxxr | now we smoking |
| 23:58.27 | orzo | i installed tangogps and it works... but i cant set the directory for my cache because i cannot type a / character |
| 23:58.33 | Chocky | my desktop, laptop, DVR, phone and 2 work machines all run Debian. |
| 23:58.34 | orzo | on 2007.2 image |
| 23:58.41 | tkep | orzo, install the matchbox keyboard |
| 23:58.41 | Chocky | the routers I develop run Debian |
| 23:58.48 | orzo | thanks |
| 23:58.51 | linuxxr | tkep IS the man |
| 23:58.58 | Chocky | my ARM Desktop machine can run Debian - indeed, I did the kernel port for that. |
| 23:59.01 | linuxxr | i think |
| 23:59.13 | bobkare | orzo: one way to do it is put in one bit of the path, press ok, then go back in, it adds a slash every time you go in there |
| 23:59.27 | tkep | orzo, even though chocky will hate me for it, http://freerunnerhq.com/tiki-index.php?page=Matchbox+Keyboard |
| 23:59.33 | Chocky | :o |
| 23:59.36 | tkep | there's a good, quick guide for it :) |
| 23:59.45 | Chocky | there is a mention on the getting started guide. |
| 23:59.56 | tkep | of course, but it's in the middle of it |
| 23:59.58 | tkep | this is just for it |
