| 00:00.11 | Yashy | I'm trying to compile applications, not rebuild an OS :) |
| 00:00.53 | johngay | No need to build the O/S, just the cross-compile toolchain. |
| 00:01.47 | Yashy | I'd like to use MokoMakefile and om-conf if I can find some docs on them |
| 00:02.10 | Yashy | I'm trying to use om-conf, but I can't find any docs on it and it's erroring out |
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| 00:17.09 | Chocky | this is going to take some time, but I've started on a USB networking rewrite: |
| 00:17.14 | Chocky | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking_Rewrite |
| 00:17.18 | Chocky | bbl. |
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| 00:18.58 | johngay | Nice to see someone is updating the proper wiki's rather than creating random ones. |
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| 01:01.27 | slurpster | hi, out of curriousity, has anyone gotten a june 25th shipment of the freerunner? |
| 01:01.55 | ajbrun | mine's being shipped on 29th |
| 01:02.16 | ajbrun | well, it will be in the uk for that time |
| 01:02.21 | ajbrun | and to me at about 1st |
| 01:02.56 | slurpster | ajbrun: cool. I want one, but no distributor here. |
| 01:03.05 | ajbrun | where's here? |
| 01:03.11 | slurpster | taipei |
| 01:03.26 | lumm | :) |
| 01:03.44 | ajbrun | maybe ebay? |
| 01:03.47 | ajbrun | not looked though |
| 01:04.31 | slurpster | yipes...wouldnt want one second hand. |
| 01:05.08 | Yanroy | is there a reason that resolv.conf gets overwritten on boot? shouldn't it just leave it alone? |
| 01:06.04 | johngay | Are you using DHCP? |
| 01:06.11 | spydon | slurpster, yepp |
| 01:06.15 | ajbrun | slurpster |
| 01:06.16 | ajbrun | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/OpenMoko-FreeRunner-mobile-phone-NEW-European-model_W0QQitemZ180269110097QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item180269110097&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318 |
| 01:06.25 | ajbrun | don't know if it's the euro version you need or not |
| 01:06.33 | Yanroy | johngay: umm... I guess? I'm just using the USB cable |
| 01:06.35 | ajbrun | and it's a bit more expensive than normal |
| 01:06.37 | ajbrun | but they're new |
| 01:08.18 | slurpster | hmmm....interesting. |
| 01:08.27 | johngay | Don't know how the USB netoworking is set up, but I know that DHCP 'can' retrieve nameservers and create resolv.conf automatically so that might be the problem. |
| 01:08.28 | slurpster | just saw the web page. |
| 01:08.49 | Yanroy | johngay: the ifup script echoes an IP to the resolv.conf :P |
| 01:09.02 | slurpster | Its strange that the office is in Taipei but I have to buy from a Euro Distributor. :( |
| 01:09.32 | Yanroy | slurpster: I was under the impression a few ppl had picked them up directly |
| 01:10.30 | johngay | That was in california. But if you ask the right people nicely, they might let you pick-up in Taipei? |
| 01:11.06 | slurpster | hmmm...does anyone know who the right people are? |
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| 01:13.12 | slurpster | actually, I'm trying to apply for a job in the taipei office...does anyone know if they are still hiring? |
| 01:13.25 | johngay | Steve or Mike on the M/L are the first two names that come to mind. |
| 01:13.45 | slurpster | what is M/L? |
| 01:14.09 | johngay | I think they've got some jobs listed on http://www.openmoko.com |
| 01:14.19 | ronny | does the freerunner support charging over usb? |
| 01:14.20 | johngay | M/L == mailing list. |
| 01:14.31 | Yanroy | ronny: yes |
| 01:14.55 | johngay | Isn't that the only way to charge it? |
| 01:15.11 | Yanroy | there's the wall plug, but it's still a USB connector |
| 01:15.11 | ronny | johngay: i meant as in usb from the pc |
| 01:15.15 | slurpster | johngay, yeah...I emailed my resume and cover letter and also called by phone but apparently the managers are busy right now |
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| 01:15.58 | ronny | hmm, it wont boot atm |
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| 01:16.16 | slurpster | johngay....silly question, but which M/L are you talking about? |
| 01:16.24 | ronny | i tihnk i need to charge it using the wallplug, but that kills all ssh-acess i have atm :( |
| 01:16.59 | johngay | community is the only one I really follow, but I've seen both of them there many times. |
| 01:17.05 | Yanroy | I flashed my FR this afternoon with the kernel from today and rootfs from the 22nd... I just ran opkg upgrade on a whim and it's finding lots of stuf... is that normal, or is it about to do something terrible? |
| 01:18.15 | johngay | I don't think the FR can tell the difference between a PC's USB port or a wallplug USB charger. As long as it sees charging current, it should charge. |
| 01:18.31 | ronny | hmm, why the heck wont it boot :( |
| 01:18.46 | ajbrun | you're not saying the magic words |
| 01:18.59 | ronny | it shows the initial openmoko splash, then shuts down before showing kernel-messages |
| 01:19.32 | johngay | Not enough charge in the battery. It can't run directly off the charger, AFAIK. |
| 01:19.52 | ronny | hmm, it does run as soon as i put it on the wallplug |
| 01:20.05 | ronny | so normal usb just aint enough |
| 01:20.16 | ronny | is ther a way to ssh over bluetooth |
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| 01:20.26 | ronny | hmm, unhappy yet again :( |
| 01:20.55 | johngay | I think the PC's USB port doesn't supply as much current as some wall chargers. |
| 01:21.41 | ronny | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.55 | ronny | i cant use the usb net while charging |
| 01:22.07 | ronny | and wifi aint yet set up |
| 01:23.22 | slurpster | johngay, thanks. |
| 01:23.29 | ieatlint | ronny, it is possible, yes ... but it would be a bitch to setup |
| 01:23.49 | ieatlint | i'm sure the wiki tells you how though |
| 01:24.17 | ieatlint | johngay, and yeah, the phone can tell the difference between a pc and a wall charger |
| 01:25.05 | ieatlint | usb says that only 100mA is provided, unless more is negotiated -- 100mA cannot power the phone (as i understand it, it needs somewhere around 300mA), but the 100mA will be used to more slowly reduce the battery |
| 01:25.13 | kd8ikt | omfg it would help if there was any docs on how a suspend in issued (lock) or the proccess that takes place |
| 01:25.37 | ieatlint | the usb port can negotiate the connection with the computer, if it supports it, to 500mA (part of the USB spec) -- just about every computer should support this |
| 01:25.52 | johngay | Well, some wall chargers, but I was talking about as a general source of charging. I know that some wall chargers can supply more that the USB standard and the FR can detect some of those. |
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| 01:26.01 | ieatlint | for the phone to get 1A over the wall charger, there's a capacitor on one of the grounds that the phone detects and just pulls 1A from |
| 01:26.34 | stephelton | has anyone had problems with the sms'es not sending sometimes? i hit the button and it doesn't do anything. sometimes it works fine though |
| 01:26.40 | ieatlint | there's a very lengthy post somewhere on openmoko's site about htis |
| 01:26.49 | Yanroy | is there a tutorial anywhere for installing the ASU keyboard? I have no text input capability right now... |
| 01:27.00 | CVirus | any german native speakers around ? |
| 01:27.08 | ieatlint | someone go port the oregon trail to the phone now |
| 01:27.37 | ronny | CVirus: yeah |
| 01:27.59 | CVirus | ronny: Ich will viel schlafen == I want to sleep alot ? |
| 01:28.06 | CVirus | the verb will is correct here ? |
| 01:28.21 | Tanuva | yes, it is |
| 01:28.36 | CVirus | Tanuva: danke |
| 01:28.44 | Tanuva | :) |
| 01:29.08 | ieatlint | your english is incorrect though :P |
| 01:29.12 | ieatlint | "a lot" ;) |
| 01:29.40 | slurpster | currious, is anyone here from the Taipei office? |
| 01:29.43 | CVirus | hehe |
| 01:30.27 | CVirus | is ASU's qtopia using QT3 or 4 ? |
| 01:31.38 | ronny | wtf? |
| 01:31.50 | ronny | my fr did shut down itself again |
| 01:32.03 | kd8ikt | suspend? |
| 01:32.08 | ronny | oh |
| 01:32.13 | Yanroy | does the ASU suspend? |
| 01:32.20 | Yanroy | it doesn't seem to, despite what the setting is on the power menu |
| 01:32.21 | ronny | yeah |
| 01:32.28 | kd8ikt | i know suspend is pissing me off cause i dont know wtf its doing |
| 01:32.28 | ronny | mine suspended |
| 01:33.11 | kd8ikt | and it likes to wakeup if left for over 5-10 min with a bright white screen that cant be fixed |
| 01:33.28 | ronny | i hate how unstable everything is |
| 01:33.59 | ronny | i cant reach my moko over bluetooth |
| 01:34.14 | ronny | is there any sensible way to set up wpa_supplicant ? |
| 01:37.12 | ieatlint | is arm big or little endian? |
| 01:38.04 | ronny | damn |
| 01:38.25 | ronny | diabling wifi also diabled my power/back button |
| 01:38.38 | ronny | and the sound is off again |
| 01:41.05 | ronny | is there any sensible way to supply packages via sdcard? |
| 01:42.05 | sirkha | who "owns" the wiki, if anybody? |
| 01:42.21 | sirkha | (ie who is the head maintainer) |
| 01:45.04 | Yanroy | I just installed the matchbox keyboard on the ASU and it seems very unhappy... am I not supposed to do that? |
| 01:46.39 | Yanroy | this is too useless.. I think I'm going back to the GTK stack |
| 01:46.58 | Yanroy | is there a way to make the GTK stack read the contacts on my SIM? |
| 01:50.36 | ronny | hmm, the why openmoko is best page looks sarcastic |
| 01:51.05 | ronny | given how messy the software stack still is |
| 01:51.09 | ozzloy | ieatlint: big-endian for arm |
| 01:51.23 | ieatlint | thx |
| 01:51.39 | ozzloy | ieatlint: i think pretty much everything but intel is big-endian |
| 01:51.50 | ozzloy | intel x86 that is |
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| 01:53.07 | ronny | i hope stuff like llvm, cli and java makes us independ of cpu architecture soon enough |
| 01:53.19 | ronny | its no fun that everything seems to get crappy x86's |
| 01:53.54 | ieatlint | creating everything in an interpreter to get around it won't be a good solution |
| 01:53.59 | Yanroy | ronny: two problems... using a VM just means you're substituting a virtual architecture for a real one... you're still not independent. #2: you can't write an operating system in a VM |
| 01:55.09 | Yanroy | does anyone know of a way to make the 2007.2 image read contacts of a SIM card? |
| 01:55.29 | ronny | Yanroy: you can do late-binary translation, and you can write >99% of an os for llvm (the rest is weird cpu-reg stuff and restricted instructuions) |
| 01:56.42 | gmaxwell | "it's like transmeta ... but not wed to hardware" |
| 01:56.47 | ozzloy | my dns is slow. how do i fix it? |
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| 01:56.58 | ozzloy | i can ping 64.233.187.99 but not google.com |
| 01:57.09 | kd8ikt | wow i just did an echotest and i sound like crap |
| 01:57.10 | ronny | gmaxwell: kinda, its also updatable |
| 01:57.23 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: sounds like you need to fix /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:57.55 | gmaxwell | ronny, the transmeta had fully updatable microcode.. ::shrugs:: |
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| 02:00.23 | Yanroy | hmm... I found a python script on the wiki that claims to import contacts from the SIM card into the GTK stack, but that isn't quite what I had in mind |
| 02:00.35 | Yanroy | the first time I booted my FR, it loaded the contacts fine. subsequent times it did not. what gives? |
| 02:01.06 | Yanroy | well, I shouldn't say "fine"... many of them had a few letters missing from the ends of their names |
| 02:01.15 | ozzloy | interesting. i fixed /etc/resolv.conf by hand, but when i ran udhcpc, it reverted to the old dns servers |
| 02:01.31 | Yanroy | ozzloy: I think dhcp does that by design |
| 02:01.32 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: Yeah, it does that. :-) |
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| 02:01.42 | ozzloy | how might i fix that? |
| 02:02.03 | Yanroy | well, dhcp is supposed to handle assigning IP address, gateway, DNS, etc for you... it's doing its job |
| 02:02.21 | ozzloy | interesting. so the dhcp server is messed up? |
| 02:02.29 | rivalarrival | ozzloy Probably not... |
| 02:02.33 | rivalarrival | Try "route" |
| 02:02.54 | rivalarrival | You're trying to setup wifi? |
| 02:03.01 | ozzloy | yeah |
| 02:03.05 | ozzloy | my wifi is connected |
| 02:03.08 | ozzloy | i can ping stuff |
| 02:03.09 | Yanroy | is there a networkmanager app yet? |
| 02:03.22 | Yanroy | I noticed the ASU has "campwifi", but it does't seem to do anything |
| 02:03.40 | ozzloy | running opkg update seems to dl the .gz and not the .sigs which is normal i've read |
| 02:03.47 | ozzloy | because there are no .sigz |
| 02:03.51 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: Look at the "default" routes. |
| 02:04.13 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: default 192.168.0.200 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usb0 |
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| 02:05.15 | rivalarrival | I think you need a default route for eth0 too. |
| 02:05.17 | rivalarrival | or instead |
| 02:05.55 | Yanroy | is there anyone working on a networkmanager-like app for the FR? |
| 02:06.00 | rivalarrival | I could just be pulling these things out of my ass... I'm not feeling all that hot this evening. |
| 02:06.52 | rivalarrival | Yanroy: I think ieatlint and/or kd8ikt were playing with something a couple days ago... I haven't kept track, though. |
| 02:07.09 | ozzloy | ok i'll look at how to do that |
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| 02:07.42 | ieatlint | yeah, i'm allegedly writing a wifi gui |
| 02:08.31 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: on your main machine, man route |
| 02:09.03 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: heh, exactly what i did |
| 02:09.16 | Yanroy | rivalarrival: is there any place (wiki?) I can go to find out who's working on what and perhaps find a task I should do to contribute? |
| 02:09.28 | Yanroy | ieatlint: for the ASU, or GTK? |
| 02:09.30 | ieatlint | my secret is i have a hidden room full of chinese people that i force to write code |
| 02:09.34 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: then google because the manpage is more of a reference than a tutorial |
| 02:09.35 | stephelton | has anyone had problems with the sms'es not sending sometimes? i hit the button and it doesn't do anything. sometimes it works fine though |
| 02:09.57 | ieatlint | pygtk right now |
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| 02:10.02 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: the bottom of the page has several examples... I'm looking for what you need |
| 02:10.05 | ieatlint | if it gets popular, i'll port it to gtk |
| 02:10.27 | ieatlint | c/gtk, that is |
| 02:10.28 | Yanroy | ieatlint: I'm just asking if it will be part of the 2007.2 image. I'm running the ASU right now and I'm about to switch back... it's way too raw |
| 02:10.49 | ieatlint | well i'm developing it on the 2007.2 image |
| 02:10.59 | Yanroy | also, what's the procedure for submitting patches/apps to the main images? |
| 02:11.10 | ieatlint | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Lint-wifi |
| 02:11.35 | ieatlint | don't ask me, i've absolutely no inside info/control/influence/participation/etc with the images |
| 02:13.30 | ronny | Trevi: |
| 02:13.31 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: "route add default gw <router-IP>" |
| 02:13.33 | ozzloy | http://pastebin.org/57186 what's this? |
| 02:13.35 | ronny | argh |
| 02:13.37 | ieatlint | there are some things i really don't like about the 2007.2 and asu images... like i really think that acpi should be supported |
| 02:13.40 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: thanks |
| 02:13.42 | Yanroy | ieatlint: that looks really nice |
| 02:13.50 | Trevi | ronny? |
| 02:13.55 | Yanroy | ieatlint: it's not? how do we do power management? |
| 02:14.09 | ieatlint | apm |
| 02:14.12 | ieatlint | legacy |
| 02:14.14 | Yanroy | err... |
| 02:14.21 | Yanroy | that's been dead for like a decade |
| 02:14.23 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: I think... |
| 02:14.33 | rivalarrival | :) |
| 02:14.34 | ieatlint | yep |
| 02:14.52 | Yanroy | that's probably more of a hardware change than a software one |
| 02:15.05 | ieatlint | plus, pulseaudio is crap methinks |
| 02:15.26 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: heh |
| 02:15.58 | ronny | Trevinho: sorry, tab-complete-error |
| 02:16.05 | Trevinho | ah, ok ;) |
| 02:16.12 | rivalarrival | I think that what you've been pinging has been routed through the USB interface, so wifi hasn't been working at all. |
| 02:16.26 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: no that pretty much messed up my situation |
| 02:16.55 | rivalarrival | ? |
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| 02:17.08 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: though i was able to fix it by route del default gw 10.1.0.1 |
| 02:17.29 | Yanroy | I'm having trouble finding the URL to the images for the dailies of 2007.2... anyone know what it is? also, I thought it was linked on the getting started page, but it seems I'm wrong... |
| 02:17.46 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: Wait a sec... |
| 02:18.12 | Chocky | mooh |
| 02:18.19 | ozzloy | http://pastebin.org/57186 can i get help with this instead? |
| 02:18.39 | ozzloy | because my wireless is working for now and i want to finish my opgrade |
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| 02:19.01 | rivalarrival | try route add -net 10.1.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0 |
| 02:19.14 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: kk |
| 02:19.52 | rivalarrival | you need some route with "eth0" at the end. |
| 02:20.04 | ozzloy | route: netmask and route address conflict |
| 02:20.33 | ozzloy | but i don't really care about that right now. the ncurses thing is stalling opkg upgrade |
| 02:20.56 | rivalarrival | alright, hold on, I know I had it working... |
| 02:21.14 | Yanroy | ieatlint: is there any place I can install a daily of your wifi manager thing from? |
| 02:21.18 | ronny | # opkg install lint-wifi |
| 02:21.19 | ronny | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 02:21.23 | ronny | wth? |
| 02:21.39 | Yanroy | ronny: I'm not sure, but experience would seem to indicate that error 2 = package not found |
| 02:21.41 | ieatlint | ronny, error 2 means "that's not a known package" |
| 02:21.56 | ronny | hmk |
| 02:22.16 | ieatlint | Yanroy, the software is too unreliable to release generally at the moment |
| 02:22.16 | ronny | then how the heck is lint-wifi named ? |
| 02:22.19 | Yanroy | the difference between ASU and 2007.2 is only the rootfs, not the kernel, right? |
| 02:22.26 | Chocky | Yanroy: ish. |
| 02:22.30 | Yanroy | ieatlint: they said that about the freerunner... |
| 02:22.32 | ieatlint | i've only handed it out to people who can give me active feedback here on irc |
| 02:22.55 | Yanroy | ieatlint: well, I can give feedback :) I might even be able to help with development, though I don't know python |
| 02:23.04 | ieatlint | well, i don't feel like getting the same bug report 100 times, or people complaining about problems that actually are due to their phone or wap |
| 02:23.09 | Yanroy | I'd like to become a contributing member of the community, rather than just asking questions all the time :P |
| 02:23.14 | Chocky | heh |
| 02:23.37 | Yanroy | I've been waiting for this phone for over a year, ever since I decided I wanted to build my own phone from the ground up and then disocovered the openmoko guys had already done all the hard parts for me :) |
| 02:23.53 | ozzloy | http://pastebin.org/57188 how do i fix this? |
| 02:24.53 | ozzloy | can i just do a -force-depends ? |
| 02:24.59 | ieatlint | ozzloy, no |
| 02:25.02 | ieatlint | -force-overwrite |
| 02:25.07 | ieatlint | but only do it for one pacakge |
| 02:25.08 | Yanroy | ieatlint: is there a bug tracker? if so, I promise to check it before logging new issues :) |
| 02:25.20 | ronny | hmm, it wont install any things any more |
| 02:25.28 | kd8ikt | opkg upgrade girlfriend -foce-overwrite |
| 02:25.31 | ieatlint | "opkg -force-overwrite install ncurses" |
| 02:25.31 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 02:25.34 | Yanroy | if only |
| 02:25.41 | ozzloy | ieatlint: so opkg install ncurses -force-overwrite ? |
| 02:25.43 | Chocky | no |
| 02:25.44 | Chocky | no! |
| 02:25.50 | ozzloy | heh |
| 02:25.50 | ieatlint | listen to chocky |
| 02:25.51 | ozzloy | ok |
| 02:25.54 | Chocky | opkg -force-depends remove ncurses |
| 02:26.03 | ieatlint | Yanroy, i'm too lazy to setup a trac |
| 02:26.08 | ieatlint | i suppose i probably should |
| 02:26.08 | ozzloy | um.. |
| 02:26.09 | Chocky | maybe not even -force-depends |
| 02:26.11 | ronny | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/80340/ <- help? |
| 02:26.25 | ozzloy | i tried opkg remove ncurses, it's depended on by lots of stuff |
| 02:26.31 | ozzloy | like screen, which i'm using |
| 02:26.45 | Chocky | then use the -force-depends. the libncurses provides the dependencies instead |
| 02:26.47 | ozzloy | and openmoko-terminal2 |
| 02:26.48 | Chocky | +package |
| 02:26.59 | Chocky | I will do a wiki page, but I'm presently rewriting the USB networking page |
| 02:27.05 | Chocky | and that will take some time |
| 02:27.09 | ieatlint | ronny, that means for whatever reason it was unable to download the file |
| 02:27.11 | rivalarrival | ronny: Can you ping google.com? I was getting the same thing, thought I was online, but wasn't. |
| 02:27.17 | ieatlint | opkg is unreliable.... |
| 02:27.18 | Chocky | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking_Rewrite |
| 02:27.37 | Chocky | ieatlint: it's not as reliable as dpkg, for sure, but it mostly works. Better than RPM, certainly :o |
| 02:27.39 | ozzloy | ok, so opkg remove -force-depends ncurses, followed by opkg install libncurses? |
| 02:28.02 | Chocky | ozzloy: if this was page of opkg upgrade, you can just do that again |
| 02:28.06 | Chocky | s/page/part/ |
| 02:28.08 | Yanroy | why does everyone hate RPM? it's by far the best package manager that I've used... |
| 02:28.20 | ozzloy | heh neat |
| 02:28.27 | ronny | ah, got it |
| 02:28.40 | Chocky | Yanroy: because packages with post install steps that fail still mean the package is successfully installed |
| 02:28.43 | ieatlint | i like gentoo's portage myself :P |
| 02:28.53 | Chocky | plus the format is far too complex and actually not that flexible |
| 02:29.04 | Chocky | plus it's near impossible to create a custom kernel RPM |
| 02:29.22 | Yanroy | that may go back to your point earlier about fedora having a huge kernel |
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| 02:29.38 | Chocky | no, it doesn't have anything to do with that; that's purely configuration |
| 02:29.45 | Yanroy | but, I've never had problems with RPM... apt-get just destroys my computer every time I use it. that's why I wont go near ubuntu anymore |
| 02:29.49 | Chocky | Debian kernels aren't any bigger |
| 02:30.03 | Chocky | apt-get on Fedora is really just RPM |
| 02:30.11 | Yanroy | no, apt-get on ubuntu |
| 02:30.14 | rivalarrival | Yanroy: Really? I've never had any problem with apt-get. |
| 02:30.16 | ronny | Yanroy: for me its the other way around |
| 02:30.18 | Chocky | although I don't know how apt-get on Ubunutu, etc could get your computer on fire |
| 02:30.19 | Yanroy | I would never use apt-get on fedora |
| 02:30.22 | ozzloy | russK: out of curiosity, are you in eastern washington dc? |
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| 02:30.38 | Chocky | I would, it's better than yum. a lot more predictable |
| 02:30.41 | Chocky | yum is nasty |
| 02:30.54 | Yanroy | I love yum... yum is the reason I love RPM |
| 02:31.02 | Chocky | yum is a wannabe apt-get |
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| 02:31.12 | Chocky | and only hides problems with RPM |
| 02:31.14 | Yanroy | except that it doesn't fail at dependecy resolution 90% of the time |
| 02:31.23 | Chocky | only 95% :o |
| 02:31.32 | swc|666 | yum install aptitude |
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| 02:32.07 | Chocky | if your implication is that apt-get fails 90% of the time, then that's clearly irrational hyperbole |
| 02:32.52 | Chocky | anyway, it's true that opkg is a tad fragile for my liking |
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| 02:34.56 | ieatlint | ok, i just filled out a registration form on projects.openmoko.org for lint-wifi... |
| 02:35.16 | Yanroy | I just read on wikipedia that RPM v5 is supported by OpenPKG... is that the same as opkg? |
| 02:36.33 | Yanroy | lol |
| 02:36.35 | Yanroy | nice |
| 02:36.43 | Yanroy | @ieatlint |
| 02:36.58 | ieatlint | well, it's vaguely on hold until i replace wpa_cli |
| 02:37.20 | ieatlint | wpa_cli is insufficient for my needs, but the wpa_supplicant control apis are complete... |
| 02:37.26 | Yanroy | projects.openmoko.org uses CVS? |
| 02:37.28 | Yanroy | ick |
| 02:37.35 | ieatlint | you can choose cvs or svn |
| 02:37.39 | ieatlint | i chose svn |
| 02:37.39 | Yanroy | oh, ok |
| 02:37.59 | Yanroy | has svn been ported to the FR yet? |
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| 02:42.43 | ronny | ew |
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| 02:44.21 | ronny | svn/cvs are good reasons not to use the service at all |
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| 02:50.24 | Yanroy | huh... I guess the newer rootfs images have the web browser, calendar, clock, etc already installed... so why doesn't it come with the real keyboard? :P |
| 02:50.32 | Yanroy | ronny: you prefer git? |
| 02:50.41 | ronny | Yanroy: hg |
| 02:50.48 | Yanroy | eh, that's basically git |
| 02:50.52 | ronny | no |
| 02:52.03 | ronny | Yanroy: hg is not git |
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| 02:57.45 | kd8ikt | whistles amazing grace as he watches his xbox hd ascend into heaven |
| 02:57.48 | ieatlint | don't be a hater |
| 02:57.54 | Chocky | be a linter |
| 02:58.10 | ieatlint | don't tell me what to be |
| 02:58.19 | Chocky | merely a linty suggestion |
| 02:58.20 | ieatlint | only people who have sex with me seem to have that authority... |
| 02:58.33 | Chocky | what about people who pay you for sex? |
| 02:58.44 | Yanroy | hah, somehow, the newly-flashed 2007.2 can read the contacts off my SIM |
| 02:58.49 | ieatlint | i'll let you know when it happens |
| 03:01.35 | ronny | anyone knows how to get gps working? |
| 03:02.05 | Yanroy | I installed the scardycat opkg conf file, but I still can't install the matchbox keyboard directly... I have to wget it first |
| 03:02.11 | Yanroy | shouldn't it be available in the repos? |
| 03:03.47 | ronny | my gps is detected, but longitude/latidude is 0/0 |
| 03:04.01 | ronny | wich is kinda far off considering im in germany |
| 03:04.01 | Yanroy | ronny: perhaps it doesn't have a fix? |
| 03:04.17 | ronny | what fix ? |
| 03:04.24 | Yanroy | position fix |
| 03:04.34 | Yanroy | like a satellite reading |
| 03:04.39 | Yanroy | not a fix like a patch :) |
| 03:04.44 | Yanroy | although there is one of those, too |
| 03:05.00 | kd8ikt | i always fireup agpsui to init the gps |
| 03:05.27 | kd8ikt | it does a good job |
| 03:05.39 | ronny | it complains about fails |
| 03:05.45 | ronny | hmm |
| 03:05.48 | Yanroy | kd8ikt: is that the one that provides the startup data? |
| 03:06.01 | kd8ikt | openmoko-agpsui |
| 03:06.55 | Yanroy | has anyone ported man to the FR? :P |
| 03:07.01 | railer | hey ieatlint, so no more debugging for a while? |
| 03:07.31 | kd8ikt | man is kept off of embedded devices cause of space constraints |
| 03:07.37 | Yanroy | yes, but I want it |
| 03:07.51 | ronny | kd8ikt: how many fails do you usualy get before it finds it? |
| 03:08.05 | Yanroy | I'll trade a little space for some man pages |
| 03:08.16 | kd8ikt | me? if i'm outside it gets a fix in like 30-40 sec |
| 03:08.30 | kd8ikt | (latest kernel) |
| 03:08.49 | ronny | should i update the kernel ? |
| 03:08.57 | kd8ikt | what kernel are you using? |
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| 03:09.10 | ronny | Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Thu Apr 24 08:23:36 CST 2008 armv4tl unknown |
| 03:09.23 | ieatlint | railer, i hope to have the app written tonight... i'm working on it right now |
| 03:09.30 | ieatlint | it's actually a very simple app, in theory |
| 03:09.33 | railer | cool |
| 03:09.48 | kd8ikt | dunno if that has the sd card / gps fix on it |
| 03:10.19 | ronny | hmm, how should i go about kernel-updates? |
| 03:10.21 | kd8ikt | no thats the facotry shipped kernel aint it? |
| 03:10.42 | kd8ikt | upgraade the kernel and it should work better |
| 03:10.43 | Yanroy | kd8ikt: it is fairly old, so probably |
| 03:10.48 | ronny | kd8ikt: yeah |
| 03:11.06 | Yanroy | does the factory image always update to the latest daily build when you do opkg upgrade? or do you have to flash it with a daily first? |
| 03:11.12 | kd8ikt | grab a kernel from here http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ |
| 03:11.36 | kd8ikt | good point Yanroy |
| 03:12.26 | ronny | btw, how does one keep configurations and stuff wgen reflashing? |
| 03:12.28 | kd8ikt | try try an opkg upgrade kernel |
| 03:13.04 | kd8ikt | then reboot see if that does the trick |
| 03:13.37 | railer | I have to falsh mine somehow I'm 2 months behind |
| 03:18.30 | kd8ikt | ronny: flashing a kernel wont disrupt the filesystem/configs but rootfs will and your best bet is to manually back them up or just start all over from scratch |
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| 03:18.58 | kd8ikt | if you saved phone contacts just backup home/root/ |
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| 03:20.10 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.36 | ronny | aint there a backup tool yet/sync to sdcard? |
| 03:20.43 | Yanroy | rsync? |
| 03:20.51 | Yanroy | heh... svn? |
| 03:20.58 | kd8ikt | backuptool=cp |
| 03:21.37 | Yanroy | loads up an ancient SIM in an attempt to recover his contacts |
| 03:22.15 | kd8ikt | i guess one could make a quick python gui for those that think it would somehow be more convenient |
| 03:22.25 | kd8ikt | then ssh + cp |
| 03:23.49 | railer | the easiest is to just ssh and map a drive to it and drag the back to your computer, about 30 seconds? |
| 03:24.43 | Yanroy | hmm... I just used the python sim contact copy script and I got 1 contact called "See iDEN Phbk" |
| 03:24.52 | Yanroy | any thoughts on how I can get my actual contacts? |
| 03:25.14 | ronny | railer: but thats not convient, and not instant |
| 03:25.16 | Yanroy | I really need to recover these contacts... some of them are irreplaceable, and the phone this SIM is from is literally broken in half |
| 03:25.33 | railer | it's pretty damn near instant |
| 03:26.04 | ronny | railer: no it isnt, and it wont help me for anything except local things |
| 03:26.05 | ronny | hmm |
| 03:26.22 | nullpuppy | sighs |
| 03:26.27 | ronny | wants backup of phone-contacts to a jabber roster |
| 03:26.30 | nullpuppy | well, this sucks. i've lsot my stylus |
| 03:26.53 | railer | well how do you expect to flash the system if you are not local? |
| 03:26.56 | ronny | hmm, got to sleep |
| 03:27.40 | ronny | railer: flashing isnt the only thing i want to do |
| 03:27.45 | ronny | well, night |
| 03:28.06 | Yanroy | has anyone had any success reading nextel SIMs with the FR? |
| 03:28.24 | Yanroy | is there a tool for interogating a SIM? |
| 03:28.55 | kd8ikt | hm come to think of it i might just make such a backup gui but fill it with like a trillion lines of comments saying howver installs this is lame, so it'll take up like 100MB's of space |
| 03:29.22 | railer | good idea |
| 03:29.44 | kd8ikt | reading the sim... i havent tried yet, also bee a great idea to write contacts to it |
| 03:29.53 | railer | or just allow it to run in the bg and zombie his phone |
| 03:31.46 | railer | what is the best build for 2007.2 right now? |
| 03:34.12 | railer | oh Ieatlint I did hook up to a wifi manually and the other sections worked quite nicely |
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| 03:38.13 | ieatlint | that's about on par with everyone else |
| 03:38.22 | Yanroy | bah... I can send AT commands to the modem querying the SIM, but it just tells me "see iden phbk" |
| 03:38.35 | Yanroy | I don't know how to ask it about the iden phonebook |
| 03:38.51 | ieatlint | i think i need to change how people see the program... it's not meant to be point and click to connect to this network |
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| 03:39.26 | railer | why? I thought that was the point? |
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| 03:39.42 | ieatlint | it's supposed to be "here are the APs i see, the ones i can connect to are noted, and you can change the list of ones i can connect to" |
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| 03:40.08 | ieatlint | which is a superior method, really |
| 03:40.55 | railer | ok thats what I though it was, scan/connect sort of thing |
| 03:41.20 | ieatlint | it's an interface to wpa_supplicant, and so its behaviour is determined by wpa_supplicant |
| 03:41.29 | railer | to your save will modify the wpa_supplicant? can a guy save his connections? |
| 03:41.49 | ieatlint | in time, yes |
| 03:42.50 | railer | scan select connect and save, is perfect, it's mobile there should not be a "default" connection |
| 03:43.30 | ieatlint | exactly, you turn it on, it looks for what APs it can see, and connects to ones it can based on encryption level and signal level |
| 03:43.33 | ieatlint | that's wpa_supplicant |
| 03:44.08 | ieatlint | you can override it's normal choice using priorities, which i will add support for later |
| 03:44.11 | ieatlint | its |
| 03:44.30 | railer | ya A. auto connect is highly insecure and B. IT"S MOBILE! |
| 03:45.03 | railer | I'm use to war driving made perfect sense to me |
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| 03:45.22 | ieatlint | auto connect isn't insecure unless you leave the default password as nothing (then anyone can ssh into your phone) |
| 03:45.49 | ieatlint | but yeah, if configured to do so, you could *in theory* walk down a street and hop from wap to wap |
| 03:46.07 | ieatlint | the delays in switching waps would suck though, and of course active connections would be reset |
| 03:46.29 | ieatlint | but for web (which would include things like gps maps), it could work |
| 03:46.36 | railer | ya that would be cool, but these thing have such a poor wifi antenna I doubt that would be possible |
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| 03:47.07 | Chocky | ok kids |
| 03:47.11 | Chocky | draft of my masterwork: |
| 03:47.15 | Chocky | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking_Rewrite |
| 03:47.34 | SpeedEvil | prepares to HACK IT TO PIECES! |
| 03:47.41 | Chocky | sweet |
| 03:47.48 | kd8ikt | NO its just a child! |
| 03:49.22 | SpeedEvil | You might want to fix hte grammar in the first sentance, and wikify LAN |
| 03:49.28 | Chocky | sentence :p |
| 03:49.32 | SpeedEvil | and break that line then |
| 03:50.29 | SpeedEvil | You're also leaping in without defining gateway |
| 03:50.35 | Chocky | certainly |
| 03:50.39 | Chocky | there's things to add |
| 03:50.49 | Chocky | this is to start, a rewrite of what was there |
| 03:50.56 | kd8ikt | wifi on the edge of forever |
| 03:52.04 | kd8ikt | oh hai ieatlint i had a great idear for your app of you can figure out how to play a sound win python |
| 03:52.12 | kd8ikt | if* |
| 03:52.22 | kd8ikt | with |
| 03:52.24 | SpeedEvil | You need to add the appropriate kernel modules/setups too. |
| 03:52.46 | SpeedEvil | An easy sound recorder'd be good |
| 03:52.51 | kd8ikt | grab a submarine ping wav for when you click "scan" |
| 03:52.52 | Chocky | there is a section on that, which can be expanded |
| 03:52.52 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 03:52.57 | SpeedEvil | kernel setups for masq |
| 03:53.06 | SpeedEvil | which IME was the most confusing and annoying. |
| 03:53.14 | Chocky | anyway, it's much less of a toilet now, having had everyone add random comments |
| 03:53.21 | Chocky | yes, true |
| 03:53.40 | Chocky | always builds monolithic kernels, so I dunno what modules are involved. |
| 03:54.27 | Chocky | And I need to add some more stuff on subnets, and tricks for overlaps. |
| 03:54.50 | Chocky | And then I will BLOW AWAY THE ORIGINAL! muh hah! |
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| 03:55.20 | ieatlint | kd8ikt, that'd just be annoying |
| 03:55.28 | kd8ikt | awe cmon |
| 03:55.29 | ieatlint | most people wouldn't like it, and it'd be a bit of overhead |
| 03:55.44 | ieatlint | feel free to hack the program to do it yourself :P |
| 03:55.54 | kd8ikt | i most def will! |
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| 03:56.15 | Chocky | anything else? |
| 03:57.21 | Chocky | well, it'll be 1 down, 10 to go. Uboot and Debian pages are a mess |
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| 04:00.25 | SpeedEvil | The redhat section looks a bit syntactically dodgy. |
| 04:00.37 | SpeedEvil | I mean layout wise |
| 04:01.45 | kd8ikt | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/1fbb6bc4558272fc523933e79d1d7bac.png like my icons for lint-wifi and agpsui? |
| 04:02.59 | SpeedEvil | agpsui is a glowing alien reading a newspaper? |
| 04:03.33 | kd8ikt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NAVSTAR_GPS_logo_shield-official.jpg |
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| 04:05.17 | kd8ikt | hm i wonder if animated gif's would work as icons |
| 04:05.18 | safiiru | Hi. |
| 04:05.35 | Chocky | SpeedEvil: ta |
| 04:05.56 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: it's too busy IMO. |
| 04:06.11 | Yanroy | Chocky: did you mention the thing about fedora's iptables rules for a reason? I didn't have any trouble with it, once I realized I needed to NAT |
| 04:06.15 | Chocky | goes to play OpenArena. Should port that to OpenMoko :o |
| 04:06.37 | Chocky | Yanroy: this was copied from previous version. is there something you want to address? |
| 04:06.52 | SpeedEvil | k: but I don't have a really good idea. |
| 04:07.13 | kd8ikt | do the satelites move or are they geostationary |
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| 04:07.36 | Chocky | they move |
| 04:07.59 | Chocky | SpeedEvil: I'd rather you didn't try to second guess what I'll be adding before I'm done :o |
| 04:08.32 | Chocky | anyway, you added redundant wording |
| 04:08.36 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: sorry - feel free to nuke additions |
| 04:08.42 | SpeedEvil | Some bits seemed unclear. |
| 04:08.49 | Chocky | so you said it again :p |
| 04:09.10 | SpeedEvil | I'm still mostly asleep. |
| 04:09.18 | SpeedEvil | I probably shouldn't edit stuff. |
| 04:09.26 | safiiru | When I use TangoGPS and it downloads map image data from openstreetmap.org, it seems to work fine, is there someway I can store the map images on the FR (for my whole city perhaps) so I don't need wlan connected? |
| 04:09.35 | SpeedEvil | saf; yes |
| 04:09.39 | Chocky | Yanroy: it's true that the Fedora stuff seems hopelessly complex. All in keeping with my opinion of it, I fear |
| 04:09.43 | SpeedEvil | safiiru: wander over the config |
| 04:10.03 | Yanroy | Chocky:I'm sorry you've had such a hard time with fedora... the reason I use it is because it's so easy. everything just works |
| 04:10.03 | SpeedEvil | safiiru: also set it up to store images on /media/card/maps or something |
| 04:10.17 | Chocky | then why is this config on this page so complex :p |
| 04:10.31 | safiiru | SpeedEvil: Thanks :) |
| 04:10.33 | Chocky | as I said earlier, it's not all easy to make a custom kernel RPM. that's a big lose. |
| 04:10.54 | Yanroy | Chocky: well, I only used about 4 lines of what was written on the wiki :) |
| 04:11.04 | SpeedEvil | safiiru: then you zoom out to the city size, get it all in one view, and click 'download to depth n' - where n is large enough to get enough subtiles. |
| 04:11.08 | Yanroy | Chocky: the rest simply isn't necessary, at least not on my system |
| 04:11.09 | Chocky | yes, but to automate it for hotplug? |
| 04:11.25 | safiiru | SpeedEvil: Yeah that was my next question. |
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| 04:11.43 | Yanroy | Chocky: hotplug doesn't even exist on my system... I might need to re-run the iptables stuff for NAT, but the config for usb0 should be fine |
| 04:12.26 | Yanroy | *sigh*... I've run all the AT commands for trying different phone books on my SIM... 2 of them time out, I bet those are the 2 my contacts are in :( |
| 04:12.27 | Chocky | yes, but does it come up automatically when you attach the USB cable? |
| 04:12.32 | Yanroy | Chocky: yep |
| 04:12.44 | kd8ikt | has been growing his fingernail out for the moko |
| 04:12.59 | Chocky | well, I'm happy to blow away the existing stuff if what you have is automagic and shorter |
| 04:13.12 | Yanroy | all I need for that is this file: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-usb0: |
| 04:13.23 | kd8ikt | i'll file it to a soft pointy tip |
| 04:13.23 | Yanroy | well, I don't know that what works for me will work for everyone |
| 04:13.43 | Yanroy | also, I'm using Fedora 7... there are plenty of other ones out there; they're up to 9 now |
| 04:14.05 | Chocky | so simply the option A there already? |
| 04:14.18 | Chocky | wonders about the more complex option B |
| 04:14.24 | Yanroy | Chocky: plus a few choice iptables commands from option B to enable NAT |
| 04:14.32 | Yanroy | option A only allows SSH to the FR, not FR->internet |
| 04:14.43 | Chocky | hm |
| 04:14.47 | Chocky | well, someone else can fix it |
| 04:15.07 | Yanroy | I might edit it to say "this worked for me..." and leave the complex stuff too |
| 04:15.08 | Chocky | has sworn not to go near Fedora :o |
| 04:15.24 | Yanroy | Chocky: but it Just Works |
| 04:15.32 | Chocky | I'm not a big fan of first person statements in wikis, even though I've done that a bit here. |
| 04:15.50 | Yanroy | very well, "some users have reported..." |
| 04:15.51 | Chocky | bbiabl. |
| 04:15.57 | Chocky | er. bbl. |
| 04:16.01 | Yanroy | ttyl |
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| 04:17.15 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: I couldn't wait I'm currently flashing the ASU. :) |
| 04:18.21 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: yes, we can here you (Re: SHR mailing list post) |
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| 04:19.34 | kd8ikt | heh |
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| 04:20.54 | niklauz | y Chocky no like fedora? |
| 04:21.08 | undrwater | evening |
| 04:21.15 | undrwater | umm...or morning...whatever |
| 04:21.25 | undrwater | didn't mean to be geocentric |
| 04:21.56 | niklauz | we should have a more heliocentric time measure |
| 04:21.59 | slurpster | its morning in taipei in case you are wondering |
| 04:22.10 | slurpster | oops...just after noon |
| 04:22.46 | undrwater | sends lunch to the taipei'ans |
| 04:22.58 | niklauz | anyone know when the 850 model will be available for sale again? i believe it was schedule for today |
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| 04:23.59 | swc|666 | so for the qtopia image, do i need to pop in mu own kernel / modules or are they on the qtopia site somewhere ? 0.o |
| 04:24.07 | swc|666 | m/mu/my |
| 04:24.08 | slurpster | doh...virtual food wont satisfy the belly....off to lunch. |
| 04:24.38 | safiiru | This is sort of a lazy question, I don't see where tangogps is installed, I looked in the regular places, anyone know where it's config is? |
| 04:24.39 | swc|666 | slurpster: virtual beer doesnt have an effect either |
| 04:24.53 | safiiru | Or is it gui? |
| 04:25.23 | slurpster | hahah...virt beer....I will probably have a real one after lunch ;) |
| 04:25.24 | undrwater | safiiru: lazy answer: gui |
| 04:25.55 | safiiru | undrwater: thanks |
| 04:26.17 | undrwater | np |
| 04:27.05 | Yanroy | Centaur5: I just flashed the 2007.2 image :P the ASU is really buggy |
| 04:27.15 | Yanroy | and slow |
| 04:27.24 | Yanroy | mostly my problem was being unable to get a functional keyboard |
| 04:27.24 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: Oh shoot, I should have talked to you first then. |
| 04:27.29 | Yanroy | eh, try it out |
| 04:27.31 | Yanroy | there's no harm in that |
| 04:27.34 | Yanroy | maybe you'll like it |
| 04:27.39 | Yanroy | maybe you'll figure out the keyboard thing... |
| 04:27.45 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: Just more time to import contacts and everything again. :) |
| 04:27.57 | Yanroy | the ASU reads the SIM correctly |
| 04:28.23 | undrwater | is there a package that reads sim? |
| 04:28.24 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: I expected it to have the same home screen as 2007.2 |
| 04:28.38 | Yanroy | nope |
| 04:28.41 | Yanroy | very different |
| 04:28.55 | Yanroy | it's the same home screen as qtopia, as I understand it |
| 04:28.56 | undrwater | using enlightenment elements...not gtk |
| 04:29.00 | Yanroy | though I switched it to be illume |
| 04:29.08 | Yanroy | (or whatever we call the scrolly thing) |
| 04:30.41 | undrwater | anyone know why there's so much oss stuff as opposed to alsa? |
| 04:31.29 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: yeppee, it has an alarm now I can perhaps stop using my old pocket pc to wake up in the morning. :) |
| 04:32.42 | Yanroy | Centaur5: ASU has an alarm? |
| 04:32.58 | Centaur5 | It says it does and a stopwatch |
| 04:34.26 | undrwater | i can hardly wait to replace my treo...maybe a few months...:P |
| 04:36.54 | Yanroy | does anyone know how I can make the terminal app show up under the utilities category in the launcher? |
| 04:37.05 | Yanroy | I assume I need to edit a .desktop file or somesuch, but I can't find it |
| 04:37.34 | undrwater | Yanroy: OM? |
| 04:38.06 | Yanroy | huh? |
| 04:38.13 | undrwater | /usr/share/applications |
| 04:38.17 | Yanroy | ah |
| 04:38.39 | Yanroy | also, has anyone else noticed that the dash character on the matchbox keyboard prints a backslash when you click it? |
| 04:38.42 | Yanroy | that's a problem... |
| 04:38.59 | undrwater | hyphen? |
| 04:39.07 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: It would do that to me a lot so I would reboot and it would fix it. |
| 04:39.14 | Yanroy | Centaur5: really? |
| 04:39.16 | Chocky | right |
| 04:39.16 | Yanroy | weird... |
| 04:39.22 | Chocky | maks the USB networking page for real |
| 04:39.24 | Chocky | hooray! |
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| 04:41.06 | Centaur5 | Where is the SMS app in ASU? |
| 04:41.32 | safiiru | I should update the usb networking for osx page later, I didn't find the ethernet gadget patch worked. |
| 04:41.35 | safiiru | On leopard. |
| 04:42.30 | safiiru | The AJZaurusUSB driver for Leopard works fine though. |
| 04:42.48 | undrwater | hands Chocky a virtual beer |
| 04:42.57 | Chocky | och. |
| 04:43.07 | undrwater | it's free...as in beer |
| 04:43.12 | undrwater | or something like that ;) |
| 04:44.13 | safiiru | Does anyone have gcc installed on the FR from opkg? |
| 04:44.32 | safiiru | when I tried to install it it didn't do anything, is cross compiling the only option? |
| 04:45.08 | undrwater | where'd you get yours? |
| 04:45.14 | Chocky | virtual fridge |
| 04:45.34 | Yanroy | gah, now some letters won't type in uppercase |
| 04:45.46 | Yanroy | how do bugs like this happen? seems like shoddy software more than in-development software |
| 04:45.59 | kd8ikt | SpeedEvil: |
| 04:46.35 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: Like I said, I just kept rebooting to fix it. |
| 04:46.36 | undrwater | arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc |
| 04:46.46 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: Hasn't happened for a while though actually. |
| 04:47.02 | undrwater | safiiru: arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc |
| 04:47.09 | undrwater | that's the command |
| 04:47.14 | safiiru | underwater: Oh, is that the correct package name to intstall? I imagine it has tons of dependancies. |
| 04:47.25 | Chocky | not to mention dependencies |
| 04:47.49 | safiiru | underwater: I'll give that a shot, I would like to try and compile rubygems to go with my ruby interpreter. |
| 04:48.26 | undrwater | safiiru: i used the rabenfrost feed... |
| 04:48.33 | undrwater | do you have that conf? |
| 04:48.45 | safiiru | no sir, not if I had to add it manually. |
| 04:49.09 | safiiru | Where can I add more repositories to opkg to add that one? And what is the url?? |
| 04:49.21 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: When you were running the ASU did you see the SMS app? |
| 04:49.21 | undrwater | safiiru: do a search for it...if you can't find it, let me know |
| 04:49.30 | safiiru | undrwater: Ok, thanks :) |
| 04:50.23 | safiiru | undrwater: Sorry I'm a bit behind you guys likely, I just got the FR a few days ago, going by the docs on the net I haven't discovered a lot of things yet. |
| 04:51.11 | undrwater | we're in the same boat....just don't sleep and lurk here for a while |
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| 04:53.17 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r0ec59b807cb3 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [gsm/ti calypso] Add an option to ignore the result of ATD completely |
| 04:58.06 | Chocky | fails to correctly follow his own instructions for networking :o |
| 04:58.07 | Chocky | oops. |
| 04:58.33 | slurpster | i:m trying to post something on gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community but it does not seem to be showing up. |
| 04:58.41 | undrwater | breaks Chocky's virtual beer bottle |
| 04:58.53 | Chocky | the instructions were correct, just user error. |
| 04:58.57 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: Sorry for the question about SMS after I enabled scrolling I just didn't realize you had to go horizontally as well. |
| 04:59.47 | slurpster | I even did the email reply for confirmation and waited 10 minutes. |
| 04:59.53 | undrwater | there's a horizontal scroll? sweet |
| 05:00.31 | undrwater | i missed that too Centaur5 |
| 05:00.39 | Centaur5 | undrwater: No, I'm not a big fan actually. |
| 05:00.53 | undrwater | oh |
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| 05:01.37 | Centaur5 | well it splits the scrolling in categories then you have to scroll horizontally in the little category. Too time consuming to get to an app. |
| 05:02.09 | undrwater | yikes...yeah |
| 05:03.04 | jefferya | So, I've heard that the hardware for the freerunner is open source as well as the software, but I can't find it anywhere. I've seen the case, but I'm more interested in the guts. |
| 05:03.13 | SpeedEvil | Not yet. |
| 05:03.14 | Chocky | not yet. |
| 05:03.22 | Chocky | only the CAD for the case |
| 05:03.26 | SpeedEvil | There have been reports that schematics may be around soon. |
| 05:03.33 | jefferya | very cool. |
| 05:05.05 | jefferya | and status of 3G support in the future? |
| 05:05.26 | SpeedEvil | Not yet. |
| 05:05.40 | SpeedEvil | 3G is complex unfortunately. |
| 05:05.47 | jefferya | it isn't on the freerunner, will the next phone have it? |
| 05:06.00 | jefferya | or is that up for debate with the devs still? |
| 05:06.02 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 05:06.09 | SpeedEvil | Maybe the one after that. |
| 05:06.16 | jefferya | oh wow. |
| 05:06.17 | SpeedEvil | It's of course really wanted. |
| 05:06.27 | SpeedEvil | But there are major problems. |
| 05:06.40 | undrwater | how do ppl use 3g? |
| 05:06.55 | undrwater | <--totally ignorant of 3g uses |
| 05:07.06 | SpeedEvil | An open, small, low-power chipset, which is available in tiny quantities is hard to find. |
| 05:07.08 | jefferya | All I know about it is that it's faster, but most things I'll be using on a phone probably don't need the extra boost. |
| 05:07.10 | SpeedEvil | ^cheap |
| 05:07.42 | SpeedEvil | (where tiny quantities are low thousands) |
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| 05:07.58 | SpeedEvil | ead: math heavy? |
| 05:09.06 | undrwater | anyone here dual booting qtopia? |
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| 05:10.29 | kd8ikt | hey speedy |
| 05:10.44 | kd8ikt | wanted to ask ya about the cap mod |
| 05:10.59 | kd8ikt | does it make a big difference |
| 05:11.11 | niklauz | ubuntu & the networkmanager project are working on wwlan and 3g card compatibility currently, i wonder how they are doing it |
| 05:12.34 | kd8ikt | i looked at the cap mod picture and was instantly reminded of how small the smd was tnaging Sta |
| 05:12.51 | kd8ikt | that i removed to unlock my ham radio to tx on all freq's |
| 05:13.15 | slurpster | is there an ir transmitter on the freerunner? if so, can it be used to replace my TV remote Con? |
| 05:13.36 | kd8ikt | bet you could mod the aux light |
| 05:13.58 | slurpster | aux light...is that the power indictator? |
| 05:14.12 | kd8ikt | the red button at the top right |
| 05:14.47 | slurpster | hmmm...dont think thats gonna work. |
| 05:15.02 | kd8ikt | ieatlint has a neat lil python script that lets you tinker with the leds http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/ |
| 05:15.19 | kd8ikt | whynot? |
| 05:16.13 | safiiru | undrwater: I added the celtune-rabenfrost.conf to /etc/opkg but that doesn't allow me to install the package arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc. |
| 05:16.58 | slurpster | doesnt ir have to be infra red...I mean...is a regular red led gonna do the trick? |
| 05:17.32 | undrwater | safiiru: opkg install g++ or opkg install gcc |
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| 05:17.58 | undrwater | i don't think led will work with IR |
| 05:19.08 | kd8ikt | reread what i said |
| 05:19.15 | kd8ikt | MOD THE AUX LED |
| 05:19.38 | kd8ikt | example REMOVE RED LED; INSERT IR LED |
| 05:19.45 | undrwater | got it!! :D |
| 05:19.53 | undrwater | just before you said it ;) |
| 05:19.56 | slurpster | oh..... |
| 05:19.59 | undrwater | yeah right!! |
| 05:20.04 | safiiru | underwater: Ok It seems I had to uninstall the g++ (stub) I had installed earlier from the default opkg repos and then do it again. |
| 05:20.09 | Yanroy | is that circuit capable of putting out enough current to power an IR LED enough to actually control something from any distance? |
| 05:20.18 | Yanroy | also, do we know if the plastic button blocks IR (I bet it does) |
| 05:20.35 | kd8ikt | then find a new control/power source |
| 05:20.40 | kd8ikt | gpio? |
| 05:20.47 | slurpster | [light bulb appears above slurpster's head] |
| 05:20.49 | Yanroy | there's gpio on this thing? |
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| 05:21.02 | kd8ikt | theres gotta be an extra gpio somewhere on it |
| 05:21.03 | Yanroy | maybe I should buy a debug board... |
| 05:21.32 | Yanroy | I've been thinking that the FR is basically the ultimate robot controller... you can drive you creations anywhere in the world, as long as there's a GSM signal... |
| 05:21.32 | peepsalot | Yanroy i don't think the power is the issue, i think you won't be able to pulse it at the right freq. most IR is on a freq at something like 38khz IIRC |
| 05:21.34 | undrwater | Yanroy: i'm not aware of any handheld device (besides remote) that has an IR powerful enough to control media device from typical distance...u know different? |
| 05:21.49 | Yanroy | undrwater: a friend of mine used to do it with his palmpilot |
| 05:21.52 | peepsalot | for ir remote controls i mean |
| 05:22.04 | jefferya | all the palms i |
| 05:22.12 | jefferya | I've had only work at like 2 feet |
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| 05:22.25 | kd8ikt | buy a nija mote |
| 05:22.27 | slurpster | in terms of hardware, is it as simple pulling out an LED and replacing it? |
| 05:22.28 | undrwater | right...so, it'd be the same |
| 05:22.29 | kd8ikt | ninjamote |
| 05:22.34 | jefferya | although, there are some more powerful. |
| 05:22.35 | Yanroy | peepsalot: you're right, btw... usually between 36 and 40khz. 38 is very popular because it's basically absent in ambient light |
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| 05:22.46 | slango | good evening. Anyone around? |
| 05:22.53 | Guilt | got mine freerunner :-) opkg is wonderful. |
| 05:22.54 | undrwater | just us bots |
| 05:23.00 | kd8ikt | http://www.ninjaremote.com/ |
| 05:23.10 | slurpster | mmmm...ninjas....fun fun. |
| 05:23.27 | undrwater | hmmm...obuild? |
| 05:23.28 | slango | so I was wondering if I can pop out my AT&T SIM card from my iPhone and put it in an OpenMoko phone? |
| 05:23.38 | Guilt | slango: heh, heh ;) |
| 05:23.40 | undrwater | slango: yes, you can |
| 05:23.43 | peepsalot | Yanroy i thin the best bet for attempting IR remote control would be to tap into the headphone out. maybe a little siwtch could be added to switch modes, headphone or remote |
| 05:23.45 | slango | (and have it work, of course) |
| 05:23.54 | Guilt | anybody getting problems with wlan? |
| 05:23.55 | undrwater | that's a different expectation |
| 05:24.10 | undrwater | slango: who's your service provider? |
| 05:24.18 | Yanroy | slango: if you have a SIM that works with the FR, you should be all set... unfortunately, not all AT&T SIMs work |
| 05:24.24 | peepsalot | i've seen a page were some hacked ipods were doing this sort of thing, IRs hooked to headphone |
| 05:24.42 | Yanroy | I got lucky and the first one I tried worked... one of my friends tried 2 and the second one worked, another friend tried 6 and none worked so he got tmobile :P |
| 05:24.49 | gmaxwell | dunno how you're going to drive 36khz light from a 48k sampling rate DAC. |
| 05:24.54 | slango | I'm not ready to ditch the iPhone for OpenMoko just yet (after all, I just got the iPhone today) but I also just became an AT&T customer, so this would be my first opportunity to use the freerunner/openmoko |
| 05:25.14 | undrwater | you don't have to dump it at all...just pop the sim in the phone |
| 05:25.18 | slango | but I think I might like to get the OpenMoko to play with and maybe even develop for |
| 05:25.20 | undrwater | try it out |
| 05:25.21 | Yanroy | slango: the openmoko is also not ready for you to ditch the iphone (sadly) |
| 05:25.51 | slurpster | hey....is it afternoon for anyone here? |
| 05:26.02 | Yanroy | speaking of which, how do I set the timezone on the clock? |
| 05:26.07 | kd8ikt | Sat Jul 26 01:36:51 EDT 2008 |
| 05:26.10 | undrwater | welcome back...how was your eLunch? |
| 05:26.20 | slango | Yanroy, no way of telling before I get the phone whether or not my card will work with FR? |
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| 05:26.31 | Yanroy | slango: there's a wiki page... lemme see if I can dig it up |
| 05:26.41 | undrwater | slango: do you have the sim card? |
| 05:26.59 | kd8ikt | find out what freq your service provider uses |
| 05:27.09 | peepsalot | gmaxwell, not sure, but the ipod did it somehow. though i don't know what sampling rate it uses |
| 05:27.19 | undrwater | ATT is OK on some cards |
| 05:27.19 | slurpster | tasty...had chinese food..but was a real lunch...dropped the e |
| 05:27.34 | slango | undrwater, it's in the phone |
| 05:27.44 | Yanroy | slango: check you card against the tables on this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT |
| 05:27.46 | safiiru | oh cool, ruby has a dbus lib |
| 05:27.47 | peepsalot | maybe IR receivers have hight tolerances |
| 05:28.28 | slurpster | does anyone know if it a freerunner will work in taiwan? |
| 05:28.47 | Yanroy | is the 48k frequency the maximum that it can reproduce, or is it actually the sampling frequency (in which case it can only reproduce 24khz)? |
| 05:29.35 | pantsd_ | is there a convient way to determine who the network carrier is for a given sim card? |
| 05:29.43 | kd8ikt | http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtml |
| 05:29.49 | kd8ikt | slurpster: |
| 05:30.44 | kd8ikt | a lot of ttaiwan providers use 3g it seems |
| 05:30.50 | Yanroy | good night all |
| 05:30.55 | Yanroy | thanks for your help |
| 05:31.34 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: Did you check this out for the keyboard? http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td580493 |
| 05:31.44 | slurpster | hmmmm....it seems that taiwan mobile...my provider...only does GSM1800 and 3G 2100 |
| 05:31.45 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: I'll let you know how it goes. |
| 05:32.29 | slurpster | neither of these are compatable with FreeRunner are they? |
| 05:33.55 | slurpster | hellow? am i still connected? |
| 05:34.46 | slurpster | hellow? |
| 05:35.11 | slango | slurpster has disconnected. |
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| 05:36.37 | slurpster | are GSM1800 and 3G 2100 supported by the free runner? |
| 05:36.39 | lpotter | i cant hear you. you must have disconnected |
| 05:36.52 | lpotter | not 3g |
| 05:37.15 | SpeedEvil | 1800, yes |
| 05:37.30 | SpeedEvil | 1800/1900 all FR, 850/900 on alternate models |
| 05:37.32 | peepsalot | gmaxwell, works from 44khz recordings apparently: http://www.engadget.com/2004/07/27/how-to-turn-your-ipod-in-to-a-universal-infrared-remote-control-1/ |
| 05:37.47 | slurpster | EXCELLENT!! thats great news. |
| 05:40.48 | SpeedEvil | Sounds like it's not a simple IR LED. |
| 05:41.18 | peepsalot | SpeedEvil, i think you're right. it's TWO simple IR LEDs |
| 05:41.23 | peepsalot | :-P |
| 05:42.22 | kd8ikt | jams bread into his freerunner... wtf it wont toast my bread either? |
| 05:42.41 | undrwater | kd8ikt: you didn't use the right slot |
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| 05:44.13 | peepsalot | maybe a resistor for good measure |
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| 05:44.33 | SpeedEvil | peepsalot: if the device does not modulate the IR LEDs itself, then I can state with absolute certainty (as I've tried it) that the receivers of most stuff utterly does not respond if there is no 38KHz carrier. |
| 05:45.03 | Chocky | ah, the joys of IR |
| 05:45.06 | Chocky | off to bed. |
| 05:45.07 | SpeedEvil | peepsalot: and you cannot reproduce a 38KHz carrier with a 44KHz DAC, as there is a 19KHz or so filter in the way. |
| 05:45.34 | peepsalot | but maybe it's approximated enough that the receivers accept it? |
| 05:45.48 | kd8ikt | is actually digging through the ar6k kernel patch wondering what it'll take to hack the bugger for raw/monitor/inject mode if at all possible |
| 05:46.06 | safiiru | There is nyquist that makes it impossible to produce sounds above 22khz without aliasing. |
| 05:46.17 | safiiru | on 44hkz dac. |
| 05:46.19 | slurpster | oops...didn:t mean to cause such a stir with the question about IR. |
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| 05:46.35 | SpeedEvil | peepsalot: the reciever modules in stuff is narrowly tuned,. They simply don't respond out past +-1KHz or so of their design center frequency. |
| 05:47.19 | SpeedEvil | peepsalot: this is by design, as there is lots of IR interference - primarily CF lights - that has to be rejected. |
| 05:47.36 | slurpster | does anyone know if anyone is working in the openmoko office today? |
| 05:47.43 | slango | http://youtube.com/watch?v=24Bubq11mR8 |
| 05:47.58 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07bitbake-om * r61d27fa76f75 10/lib/bb/fetch/cvs.py: [cvs] Allow to checkout by date and time |
| 05:48.06 | slango | so that's why the phone is $400 |
| 05:48.52 | SpeedEvil | The phone is $400 as it's in tiny volume. |
| 05:49.59 | slurpster | speedevil: tiny volume? how many do they make per batch? |
| 05:50.18 | SpeedEvil | nokia builds runs of a hundred thousand or more. |
| 05:50.22 | slango | SpeedEvil, slurpster not as many as apple makes iPhones, I can tell you that |
| 05:50.42 | SpeedEvil | I guess that freerunner did maybe an initial run of 1000. |
| 05:51.00 | peepsalot | speedevil, i know nyquist won't let it above a pure frequency of 22khz, but maybe 38khz could be a harmonic of what's coming out? |
| 05:51.16 | slango | SpeedEvil, do you happen to know if there are any plans for a 3G model? |
| 05:51.24 | peepsalot | i mean, it would be able to hit some of the peaks, and some of the troughs, but would miss a few in between, maybe onn average it's matching closely to be acceptable?. |
| 05:51.24 | SpeedEvil | slango; not soon. |
| 05:51.32 | slurpster | 1k...thats it? why not more...they know its gonna sell out. |
| 05:51.53 | slango | slurpster, I'd say it's a pretty risky investment |
| 05:52.33 | slurpster | yeah...i understand...but the website perpetually says *SOLD OUT* |
| 05:53.00 | slango | that's just to hype it |
| 05:53.07 | SpeedEvil | slurpster: for example - due to volume and other things, the Iphone 3G is probably under $100 cost price. |
| 05:53.13 | slango | look what those two little words have done for the iPhone and the Nintendo Wii |
| 05:53.20 | SpeedEvil | slurpster: according to various industry sites. |
| 05:54.00 | safiiru | peepsalot: A signal will always fold to the lowest the nyquist allows. |
| 05:54.04 | slurpster | but if they do a batch of 10k it would make it cheaper,wouldn:t it? |
| 05:54.18 | SpeedEvil | A bit, yes. |
| 05:54.30 | SpeedEvil | That's an investment of several million though. |
| 05:54.55 | slurpster | oops...I forgot..storing it until the orders come in costs money too. |
| 05:55.07 | slango | slurpster, just trust the free market |
| 05:55.15 | safiiru | SpeedEvil: It will not present as a harmonic (x2) if itself. |
| 05:55.16 | slango | it always works itself out. |
| 05:55.19 | SpeedEvil | If it doesn't sell, due to hardware problems, forex. |
| 05:55.58 | SpeedEvil | slurpster: no, that's not an issue. Consider if the GPS problem had been slightly different and not work-roundable. |
| 05:56.11 | SpeedEvil | slurpster: then they would have 10K phones without GPS. |
| 05:56.23 | undrwater | ouch |
| 05:57.08 | slurpster | true enuf. I guess they need to minimize risk; not price. If you want a free runner...you:re probably willing to pay a premium for something that works. |
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| 05:57.46 | SpeedEvil | That said - order 10K and I'm sure you'd get a substantial price-break. |
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| 05:58.58 | safiiru | What is the gps problem, do you mean the sdcard interference one? I thought a kernel patch helped with that.. |
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| 05:59.19 | slurpster | safiiru, he was just giving an example |
| 05:59.23 | safiiru | ah |
| 05:59.35 | SpeedEvil | safiiru: yes - it does |
| 05:59.52 | SpeedEvil | safiiru: it could have been not workaroundable in software or easy hardware. |
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| 06:00.30 | SpeedEvil | safiiru: and all the first batch of phones could have ended up without functional GPS at other than really high signal levels as found in the test rig. |
| 06:00.50 | safiiru | Right, I just read back what you said a bit closer. |
| 06:00.56 | safiiru | Hypothetically. |
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| 06:03.06 | slurpster | hello joerg_rw |
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| 06:03.58 | swc|666 | hmm... which uImage do i need for ASU? |
| 06:06.32 | swc|666 | ...latest.bin or the 2.6.24...get...bin? |
| 06:06.38 | swc|666 | get/git* |
| 06:06.48 | swc|666 | ? |
| 06:07.54 | ieatlint | i just rewrote wpa_cli and dropped off a full third of its size! |
| 06:08.05 | ieatlint | all the way from 26.8k to 18.1k... |
| 06:09.08 | kd8ikt | i cross compiled my first app: "tree" |
| 06:09.23 | kd8ikt | its only one .c file |
| 06:10.30 | ieatlint | i could do a number of extra things if i port lint-wifi to c |
| 06:10.42 | ieatlint | might be able to in python, but it already feels bloated and a mess |
| 06:11.41 | kd8ikt | how hard would it be to port |
| 06:11.53 | kd8ikt | i guess there is now magic auto port app eh? |
| 06:11.58 | kd8ikt | no* |
| 06:12.55 | kd8ikt | pyc try compiling her |
| 06:12.58 | ieatlint | it'd be a bit of effort, i don't even have a toolchain that i can build gtk on |
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| 06:14.50 | zandini | Hello guys.. Which package provides mkfs.vfat? The Booting_from_SD wiki page seems to point to ncurses package instead for some reason. |
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| 06:16.17 | CM | zandini: On gentoo it's dosfsutils I think |
| 06:16.24 | undrwater | zandini: i think there's a 3rd party repo for dosfstools |
| 06:16.56 | zandini | hmm. Is there one for open moko? |
| 06:16.59 | kd8ikt | ieatlint: has a copy somewhere |
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| 06:17.21 | undrwater | zandini: there was just a post on the community list... |
| 06:17.34 | ieatlint | i was told that my copy produced an error message when you actually try to perform an action |
| 06:17.36 | undrwater | zandini: are you attempting to do dual boot? |
| 06:17.40 | zandini | undrwater, okay. I will try to find it. |
| 06:18.00 | zandini | undrwater, yeah. I guess trying to boot from SD card counts as dual boot :-) |
| 06:18.32 | undrwater | zandini: apparently vfat is no longer necessary...i'm looking for the details myself |
| 06:18.47 | zandini | oh? |
| 06:19.06 | kd8ikt | hey lint |
| 06:19.08 | undrwater | yes... |
| 06:19.24 | undrwater | i'm trying to figure out where to put uimage |
| 06:19.30 | kd8ikt | i just compiled lint-wifi.py into lint-wifi.pyo |
| 06:19.30 | undrwater | ummm...uImage |
| 06:19.46 | peepsalot | SpeedEvil, if there is more to it than just LEDs, what do you think it requires? |
| 06:19.47 | kd8ikt | its now a bin and running on my moko |
| 06:20.08 | undrwater | zandini: maybe an update of uboot....but i'm not sure yet if that's done through opkg |
| 06:20.18 | peepsalot | i'm really interested in trying to do IR with openmoko, had this idea in my head forever |
| 06:20.19 | FossiZZZzzzZZZ | hmmm. mokomakefile is still running |
| 06:20.28 | Fossi | didn't expect that |
| 06:20.34 | doc|home | I found a practical use for the laser pointer on the stylus |
| 06:20.38 | zandini | undrwater, I don't think you can update uBoot via opkg. |
| 06:20.40 | doc|home | tormenting my pet beagle |
| 06:20.50 | peepsalot | hehe, oh i was gonna guess cat |
| 06:21.04 | undrwater | peepsalot: there are usb ir sending devices... |
| 06:21.06 | slurpster | peepsalot, I think its a great idea too. |
| 06:21.21 | Centaur5 | What is the trick to backspacing with the ASU keyboard? |
| 06:21.37 | kd8ikt | dunno if it makes a difference |
| 06:21.53 | slurpster | are there any HW design guys here? Can we suggest putting an ir in the next generation of HW? |
| 06:22.28 | peepsalot | maybe the device takes advantage of the stereo-ness of the signal coming to it somehow. and the two LEDs are out of phase somewhat |
| 06:22.49 | undrwater | zandini: you can also add an entry in uboot menu to allow ext2/3 |
| 06:23.47 | zandini | undrwater, oh I really? |
| 06:23.55 | undrwater | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Step_3:_Add_uboot_boot_entry |
| 06:24.00 | Fossi | damn i forgot to use -j2 |
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| 06:24.40 | slurpster | now that I think of it, even if we add an ir transmitter, does the kernel support it? |
| 06:25.08 | mgregson | Is there any news regarding a third version of the openmoko? I was really hoping for quadband... |
| 06:25.15 | data_jepp | Wouldnt that depend on the ir transmitter? |
| 06:25.59 | zandini | undrwater, it seems that it is for fat + ext2 / ext3.. So I still need fat formatted partition 1. |
| 06:26.08 | slurpster | let me rephrase....is there kernel support for any kind of IR transmitter? |
| 06:26.54 | mgregson | slurpster: I don't know what kernel you're using, but if there isn't would it be that difficult to port it over from the linux mainline? |
| 06:26.57 | undrwater | zandini: Some versions of u-boot (including the one shipped on the first batch of Freerunners) may not work properly for booting from SD card. Daily images on buildhost with a timestamp of "20080723" or newer should be OK. |
| 06:27.39 | peepsalot | slurpster, i think most regular ir emitters hook up over rs232 serial. i don't think openmoko has a serial port to use for that though. |
| 06:27.49 | peepsalot | so the kernel only needs serial support AFAIK |
| 06:28.08 | zandini | undrwater, I hope that mine works.. I do see an option in uBoot menu for fat+ext2 boot from sd card. I am just trying to prep the sd card for booting. |
| 06:28.28 | zandini | undrwater, I don't have a micro sd card reader, so I was trying to prep it via freerunner itself. |
| 06:28.33 | undrwater | zandini: i recommend some research first |
| 06:28.46 | undrwater | i've gone through all the previous options...without success |
| 06:28.57 | slurpster | hmm...that right...i forgot its RS232....currently, what are all the serial ports being used for? how many are there? |
| 06:28.58 | undrwater | i'm thinking an update of uboot is in order |
| 06:29.07 | peepsalot | or audio if someone knew how to get the signals working that route. it's obviously possible(see the ipod example) i just don't know how exactly the method it uses to work |
| 06:29.10 | zandini | oh really? :-( that's not encouraging... |
| 06:29.28 | zandini | I would hate to update uBoot since it is one thing that can really brick the device. |
| 06:29.31 | undrwater | zandini: shouldn't be too difficult.... |
| 06:29.53 | undrwater | is DUI, so waiting for tomorrow to do it |
| 06:29.58 | zandini | yeah I hope so. |
| 06:30.13 | zandini | xD good luck. |
| 06:30.35 | undrwater | thanks ;) |
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| 06:43.07 | undrwater | zandini: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#Flashing_the_bootloader |
| 06:45.57 | zandini | undrwater, does dfu-util work under dfu-util? |
| 06:46.26 | undrwater | zandini: umm....can you repeat that?? |
| 06:46.27 | zandini | undrwater, Well, at least I found the vfat package after some searching as you suggested. http://www.mail-archive.com/support@lists.openmoko.org/msg00522.html |
| 06:46.39 | zandini | undrwater, I am going to try fat+ext2 first and see if it boots. |
| 06:47.06 | undrwater | zandini: good luck...i will update my uboot tomorrow |
| 06:47.14 | ieatlint | well, apparently the projects section of openmoko be screwed |
| 06:47.14 | undrwater | then try ext2 |
| 06:47.21 | undrwater | or 3 |
| 06:47.33 | peepsalot | ok, so you take the inputs from each channel, run through a diode bridge to charge a cap that drives an oscillator operating at 36khz |
| 06:47.56 | undrwater | peepsalot: still talking about IR? |
| 06:48.22 | peepsalot | I can't stop! :-0 |
| 06:48.32 | undrwater | peepsalot: keep it up!! :D |
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| 06:48.58 | peepsalot | yeah, unfortunately i suck at circuit design, so not sure if that scenario would work |
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| 06:49.02 | undrwater | wishes his zaurus would provide enough power to control media |
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| 06:49.44 | undrwater | (via IR) |
| 06:52.01 | CVirus | http://www.gnuton.org/blog/2008/07/qt-4-maemo-the-new-experience/ |
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| 06:55.11 | zandini | CVirus, wow. Does this mean than Maemo will move to QT? |
| 06:55.35 | CVirus | zandini: maybe .. but not too soon though |
| 06:55.37 | lpotter | No, they will have Qt on the Maemo devices, in addition to Maemo |
| 06:55.45 | zandini | ah I see. |
| 06:55.51 | CVirus | in addition to GKT you mean |
| 06:56.06 | lpotter | yes, and Hildon |
| 06:56.30 | CVirus | shuttleworth wants to migrate Gnome to QT too |
| 06:56.30 | lpotter | a bit like openmoko is doing with qtopia and EFL |
| 06:56.32 | CVirus | GTK is dead |
| 06:56.40 | lpotter | do it up! |
| 06:56.51 | lpotter | i would love to see that! |
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| 06:57.08 | undrwater | really? |
| 06:57.44 | lpotter | no. actually. I would love to see gimp move to Qt though. |
| 06:58.33 | undrwater | or parallel? qt gtk |
| 06:59.25 | undrwater | lpotter: while you're here...any more TT dev on zaurus devices? |
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| 07:00.29 | malik1972 | lpotter: hey |
| 07:00.49 | lpotter | one guy does. keeps the c3200 device configuration going, so that would work on a lot of them |
| 07:02.25 | malik1972 | lpotter: how can i switch off the automatic word recognition in sms/notice block and so on. i try to use the handwriting tool .. |
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| 07:05.56 | zandini | undrwater, well, I am about to reboot to see if it worked. wish me luck. :-) |
| 07:06.17 | lpotter | malik1972: not sure if there is a way |
| 07:06.25 | undrwater | good luck...and if it did..please detail what you did |
| 07:06.33 | undrwater | *does |
| 07:06.34 | lpotter | might try moving the dictionary, but that might make it crash |
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| 07:07.23 | zandini | :-( nope. It did read the kernel from SD Card, but I got "Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block" |
| 07:07.59 | malik1972 | lpotter: any way to import adressbook vcf, and ics files? |
| 07:08.29 | lpotter | bluetooth. or scp them to Documents or the sd card and click on the file in the Documents view |
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| 07:09.37 | zandini | hmm. It seems that somehow the kernel may not have been rebuilt with ext2 support.. |
| 07:12.19 | malik1972 | lpotter: which application or daemon uses the sd card by default, i cant umount it |
| 07:15.17 | ieatlint | for those who are interested... http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/lint-wifi/lint-wifi-0.3a.tar.bz2 ... not much has changed in the actual script (like 2 bug fixes and a little code cleanup), but it now runs my own interface to wpa_supplicant |
| 07:15.55 | lpotter | qtopia keeps the database open. I will look into fixing that |
| 07:15.57 | ieatlint | it expects wpa_lint to be /home/root/wpa_lint, which you can change if you take a look at the top of the py file |
| 07:16.01 | undrwater | zandini: i think that's why we need to update uboot |
| 07:16.33 | ieatlint | and i go make some dinner now |
| 07:16.41 | zandini | undrwater, yeah. That will make it easier. |
| 07:16.45 | undrwater | ieatlint: eat well |
| 07:17.16 | undrwater | zandini: otherwise change uboot's options |
| 07:17.30 | peepsalot | an led powered directly off a 55 astable circuit, powered by a capacitor, connected to a full wave rectifier |
| 07:17.40 | peepsalot | 555 |
| 07:17.43 | peepsalot | this is my plan |
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| 07:19.44 | ozzloy | why is opkg update giving me "* Could not obtain administrative lock"? |
| 07:21.17 | swc|666 | ozzloy: i just ran into the same issue |
| 07:21.30 | malik1972 | thanc lpotter |
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| 07:21.47 | ozzloy | thanks lpotter! |
| 07:23.05 | ieatlint | i must await the oven's preheation |
| 07:24.06 | swc|666 | lol.. preheation |
| 07:24.45 | ozzloy | rebooting seems to have fixed the administrative lock issue |
| 07:24.51 | ozzloy | "fixed" |
| 07:25.21 | ieatlint | you shan't have fun with my english! |
| 07:25.30 | swc|666 | yeah i didnt see crap in /var/lock (?) |
| 07:25.55 | ozzloy | what is the name of the agpsui package? |
| 07:26.06 | kd8ikt | openmoko-agpsui |
| 07:26.14 | ozzloy | opkg install agpsui gives return value: 2. |
| 07:26.19 | ozzloy | ah |
| 07:26.32 | ozzloy | kd8ikt: thanks |
| 07:26.43 | kd8ikt | anyone else seeing a weird `netstat -al|grep tcp` |
| 07:26.51 | swc|666 | are there any open bugs for the modules screen on asu? |
| 07:27.05 | kd8ikt | tcp 0 0 ::%3203631868:4711 ::%248:* LISTEN |
| 07:27.14 | kd8ikt | that looks liek a phone numer |
| 07:27.16 | swc|666 | interesting |
| 07:27.45 | swc|666 | maybe our mokos are part of a botnet now :0 |
| 07:28.46 | ieatlint | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:4711 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
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| 07:29.49 | swc|666 | nmaps his FR |
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| 07:30.59 | swc|666 | i dont have the listening port |
| 07:31.26 | data_jepp | Anyone wouldnt happen to know when the 900 sale will start again? I have 3690$ ready! |
| 07:31.26 | swc|666 | not 4711 @ least.. |
| 07:31.58 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:33.21 | kd8ikt | 22/tcp open ssh Dropbear sshd 0.51 (protocol 2.0) |
| 07:33.21 | kd8ikt | 111/tcp open rpcbind 2 (rpc #100000) |
| 07:33.21 | kd8ikt | 6000/tcp open X11 (access denied) |
| 07:35.19 | TAsn | data_jepp, i have 399$ ready, and no, no idea :( |
| 07:35.48 | TAsn | probably not on saturday or sunday (weekend...), so maybe monday? |
| 07:35.57 | data_jepp | its 26th and im sick of waiting. Hope so. |
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| 07:37.22 | peepsalot | i think the application menu needs more "dead zone" for determining whether or not the user is moving the menu. it seems to misinterpret clicks as drags |
| 07:37.36 | peepsalot | especially using finger instead of stylus |
| 07:37.46 | ozzloy | peepsalot: that's funny, i get the opposite |
| 07:38.25 | peepsalot | you mean it doesn't drag when you want it to? |
| 07:38.30 | ieatlint | kd8ikt, it could be a unix socket... not sure if netstat reports them |
| 07:40.00 | peepsalot | the dragging works fine for me, besides being a bit slow. it's just that i click to open something and a lot of the time it doesn't do anything. |
| 07:42.22 | peepsalot | anyone know where the code or config file to change this exists? |
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| 07:44.43 | undrwater | OK...bed time...night all |
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| 08:01.07 | kd8ikt | dunno |
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| 08:02.23 | ieatlint | transfat tastes fantastic |
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| 08:02.45 | ronny | hmmm, gps still wont do, do i need to install a asu image instead of just a new kernel? |
| 08:03.23 | ieatlint | your gps isn't working? |
| 08:05.47 | ronny | ieatlint: noppe |
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| 08:06.04 | ieatlint | as in, no lock, or no data from the gps at all? |
| 08:06.13 | ronny | no lock |
| 08:06.27 | ronny | its trying since 8 minutes now |
| 08:06.31 | ieatlint | ah, well, i somehow think i have nothing new to tell you then |
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| 08:12.34 | kd8ikt | why am i having such hell with wifi |
| 08:13.21 | ieatlint | because god hates you |
| 08:13.41 | kd8ikt | because i touch myself at night? |
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| 08:15.45 | zandini | where is the kernel config file source that is used to generate gta02 kernel? |
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| 08:16.13 | zandini | I tried changing /openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko-devel/defconfig-oe and /openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko/defconfig-2.6.22.5, but they don't seem to affect it. |
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| 08:22.30 | XorA|gone | zandini: its in git |
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| 08:22.52 | ronny | re |
| 08:23.07 | zandini | XorA|gone, I got my environment set up using Mokomake. Where in my source tree is it? There are so many kernels in openembedded directories.. |
| 08:23.42 | XorA|gone | zandini: the kernel defconfig is stored in the kernel git tree, its not in OE |
| 08:24.28 | zandini | XorA|gone, oh. so it is fetched everytime I do "make build-package-linux-openmoko" command? |
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| 08:26.23 | zandini | XorA|gone, Actually. I think I see what you mean.. I see that as part of the build, it unpacks it from /moko/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git |
| 08:27.40 | zandini | XorA|gone, if that's the case, how would I change kernel configuration for my build? Is there a way to override it? I am just trying to change EXT2_FS from m to y |
| 08:28.03 | ronny | ok, gps is fail, it tried since 30 minutes now |
| 08:28.15 | XorA|gone | zandini: you would need to change the recipe to edit/copy a new file in before configure |
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| 08:37.55 | pantsd_ | anyone have GPRS working on the FreeRunner (with t-mobile us)? |
| 08:43.03 | zandini | XorA|gone, I think that might have worked. Thanks! |
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| 08:51.57 | leinirAWAY | Hmm... What files is it that i need to be grab to keep my phonebook intact in Qtopia? |
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| 09:02.08 | ronny | oO |
| 09:02.25 | ronny | wth ? today my opkg upgrade runs the same updates as yesterday ?! |
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| 09:04.27 | ronny | btw, why the heck doesnt the bluetooth icon trun blue if i enable it ;P |
| 09:05.57 | ronny | hmmk, where to get the latest imaes? |
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| 09:07.16 | ronny | hmk, opkg upgrade fails |
| 09:08.42 | ronny | where is the howto for installing a new fs image on the handy? |
| 09:09.15 | leinirAWAY | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 09:09.21 | Fossi | bitbake is confusing the shit out of me |
| 09:09.40 | Fossi | ronny: also, 'getting stasrted with you freerunner' |
| 09:10.33 | leinirAWAY | ronny: Also, randomly, they're only called "handy" in German-speaking countries, however English-sounding the word is ;) In English, it's phone or handset :) |
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| 09:12.35 | ronny | ops |
| 09:12.43 | Fossi | now i have projects/openmoko/openmoko and projects/openmoko/openembedded and projects/openembedded/openmoko and projects/openembedded/openembedded |
| 09:12.52 | Fossi | confuses self |
| 09:13.16 | leinirAWAY | ronny: Hey, live to learn or how is it that one goes :) |
| 09:13.37 | Fossi | sometimes om2007.2 is refered to as 'openembedded' and then again, it's called openmoko and asu or fso is the other |
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| 09:24.10 | grind_ | hello everyone ! |
| 09:26.17 | Zorkman | llo |
| 09:28.09 | ronny | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/80357/ <- which device of those is my handy? |
| 09:29.07 | ronny | eh phone |
| 09:30.17 | ronny | anyone? |
| 09:30.53 | ronny | god i hate it :( |
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| 09:33.03 | Zorkman | ronny: stupid way to solve it: unplug all other usb devices? |
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| 09:34.07 | ronny | Zorkman: there arent any other external usb devices, but i figured it by the vendor naming |
| 09:34.08 | ieatlint | or just the phone, and see which of those two disappear |
| 09:34.36 | malik1972 | uboot su... |
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| 09:43.15 | Fossi | uaargh |
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| 09:43.24 | Wonka | aaargh. |
| 09:43.34 | Fossi | god.. damn... crosscompiling |
| 09:43.44 | Fossi | X( |
| 09:43.46 | Wonka | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AGPS is _so_ not about the freerunner, but only the gta01... |
| 09:43.56 | Wonka | damn them |
| 09:44.12 | SpeedEvil | Yes, I know. When I wrote that it was accurate. |
| 09:44.15 | Wonka | i just want to store almanac and ephemeris between gps sessions... |
| 09:44.18 | SpeedEvil | And I have no freerunner. |
| 09:44.23 | Centaur5 | package name for a terminal in ASU? |
| 09:44.27 | SpeedEvil | Mail me one, and I'll update it. |
| 09:44.32 | malik1972 | did anyone succeeded using multiboot system with the new uboot on the freerunner? |
| 09:44.50 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: sorry, my bank account won't take it |
| 09:45.20 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: but if you had some trial software to save/restore almanac/ephemeris, i'd be happy to test it |
| 09:45.48 | Wonka | also, http://www.u-blox.com/products/atr0635.html tells about waas/egnos support |
| 09:46.01 | ronny | oh great, i updated the firmware, now sshing to the phone is broken |
| 09:46.12 | phrozen77 | SpeedEvil, did my screenprotector ship already? =) |
| 09:46.22 | Wonka | does that mean it can do it standalone, or would it need extra rf receivers and/or other stuff? |
| 09:46.29 | pazante | hello |
| 09:46.42 | SpeedEvil | phr3ak: should have shipped a few days ago, I'll get confirmation tonight |
| 09:46.44 | Wonka | ronny: usb console? |
| 09:46.48 | SpeedEvil | phro: |
| 09:46.56 | phrozen77 | ok, just curious |
| 09:47.06 | phrozen77 | i'll get it sooner than the freerunner anyways |
| 09:47.13 | pazante | i have a problem with usb networking |
| 09:48.51 | pazante | i get an error message when typing in "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" |
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| 09:50.04 | peepsalot | is the resolution of the touch input the same as the display output? |
| 09:50.43 | pazante | acsess denied or something |
| 09:51.00 | ronny | Wonka: fixed it |
| 09:51.27 | pazante | do any of you now what to do |
| 09:52.55 | Zorkman | pazante: log in as root ? |
| 09:53.07 | Zorkman | (or sudo su) |
| 09:53.46 | pazante | i have log in as root will try sudo su |
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| 09:54.54 | pazante | same respons with sudo su |
| 09:55.12 | Zorkman | pazante: btw: i type echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward (notice the quotes, no idea if it makes a difference though) |
| 09:56.20 | Wonka | Zorkman: a) quotes don't make a difference there b) do you do that as root? |
| 09:57.05 | peepsalot | hmm, i wonder how difficult it would be to use the touchscreen as a tablet input for a desktop machine, over USB or bluetooth. mainly for drawing things |
| 09:57.20 | pazante | as wonka says no difference |
| 09:57.53 | Zorkman | Wonka: yes I do it as root, is this stupid? |
| 09:58.44 | Zorkman | pazante: probably an equally stupid idea: have you tried nano /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ? |
| 09:59.03 | pazante | nope will try |
| 09:59.09 | bagpuss_thecat | can someone summarise this 'glamo' issue that I keep reading about. There's plenty of pages about how it's being worked around, why it happened, and suchlike. But nothing that I can see about what the actual problem is :-) |
| 10:00.02 | Zorkman | bagpuss_thecat: the SD card and the glamo chip both use the same buss |
| 10:00.14 | bagpuss_thecat | aaah, bus contention? |
| 10:00.44 | bagpuss_thecat | is it affecting performance all the time, or just when SD transfers are in progress? |
| 10:01.16 | Zorkman | ASIK only when buss transfers are in progress (like when playing a video from the SD card) |
| 10:01.37 | bagpuss_thecat | coo, thanks :-) |
| 10:01.41 | bagpuss_thecat | s/coo/cool/ |
| 10:01.51 | Zorkman | :) |
| 10:02.21 | ieatlint | Zorkman, behold the "proper" way to do that "sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" |
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| 10:03.13 | Zorkman | ieatlint: thanks for the info, i'll look into that sysctl command right away |
| 10:03.29 | McKael | Hi, |
| 10:03.44 | McKael | Using OM2007.2, with the matchbox keyboard |
| 10:03.55 | ieatlint | Zorkman, take a look at /etc/sysctl.conf while you're at it ;) |
| 10:03.57 | Zorkman | (and thanks for not giving up on the total noob i am) |
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| 10:04.12 | McKael | sometimes it goes crazy and some keys do not behave correctly anymore |
| 10:04.13 | Wonka | Zorkman: no, that's even required |
| 10:04.16 | ieatlint | heh, it's not noob to echo stuff into sys |
| 10:04.29 | ieatlint | everyone does it... figured i'd just introduce you to a proper command for it :P |
| 10:04.57 | Zorkman | i'll update the wiki then also? |
| 10:05.12 | awesomo4k | damn. fso build broke |
| 10:05.52 | Wonka | McKael: i've seen that too - strace (via ssh over usb) seemed to show to me that the keyboard behaved correctly, but the x server might think some modifier to be set |
| 10:06.08 | awesomo4k | ERROR: '/home/me/moko/fso/openembedded/packages/freesmartphone/zhone_git.bb' failed |
| 10:06.09 | awesomo4k | make: *** [fso-image] Error 1 |
| 10:06.21 | McKael | Wonka: :\ |
| 10:06.24 | Wonka | McKael: there was some small x application showing current status of keyboard modifiers, but I don't find it anymore |
| 10:07.07 | ronny | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/80359/ <- what the heck is wrong with opkg, i just ran a update prior to that |
| 10:07.53 | McKael | ronny: is your network still working? |
| 10:08.06 | McKael | (and your DNS resolution...) |
| 10:08.14 | awesomo4k | anyone know how to get fso to build ? |
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| 10:08.41 | ronny | argh |
| 10:08.52 | ronny | dns res breaks every few minutes |
| 10:09.34 | pazante | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:10.07 | McKael | ronny: usb or wifi? |
| 10:10.18 | ieatlint | pazante, uhm, i dunno what your problem is... but that command is essentially the same as the echo one above |
| 10:10.21 | McKael | Maybe I should add a menu to restart X |
| 10:10.24 | ronny | McKael: usb |
| 10:10.39 | ronny | i think its a mess un my ubuntu |
| 10:11.02 | McKael | ronny: oh ok, is your link going down & up? |
| 10:11.34 | ronny | McKael: i think its related to my messy usb |
| 10:11.44 | pazante | ieatlint: i got a error message when running the echo command acsess denied or something |
| 10:11.46 | McKael | but if you update /etc/network/interfaces on the FR it should be sufficient |
| 10:12.34 | McKael | pazante: you need root perms |
| 10:12.55 | pazante | i have root perms |
| 10:13.01 | McKael | ok :) |
| 10:13.35 | pazante | now it works thanks |
| 10:14.08 | McKael | pazante: so what did you change? |
| 10:14.33 | ronny | Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 But that file is already provided by package libncurses5 |
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| 10:15.15 | pazante | McKael: i ran the command "sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" |
| 10:15.24 | McKael | ronny: there are tips for this one in the ML archives |
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| 10:15.49 | Zorkman | ieatlint, pazante: i updated the wiki so other people will not encounter the same problem |
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| 10:35.30 | awesomo4k | what's the best asu image to get |
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| 10:36.46 | awesomo4k | 20 may 2008? |
| 10:46.50 | awesomo4k | test |
| 10:47.05 | Rigolo_ | ping |
| 10:47.13 | awesomo4k | looks like a split |
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| 10:47.37 | Rigolo_ | irssi did not detect a split here |
| 10:47.54 | awesomo4k | oh. i just saw a bunch of people quitting |
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| 10:48.42 | awesomo4k | anyone know what this error means |
| 10:48.44 | awesomo4k | ERROR: '/home/me/moko/fso/openembedded/packages/freesmartphone/zhone_git.bb' failed |
| 10:48.44 | awesomo4k | make: *** [fso-image] Error 1 |
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| 10:54.59 | ronny | hmm |
| 10:55.26 | ronny | i really didnt expect the moko to be so much of a pain :( |
| 10:55.26 | awesomo4k | i'm trying to build fso from MokoMakefile |
| 10:55.43 | awesomo4k | what's the pain? |
| 10:56.21 | CaptObviousman | welcome to a young open source project |
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| 10:56.56 | CaptObviousman | imagine how painful the early days of the wine project were |
| 10:57.03 | CaptObviousman | took 'em 15 years to get out of beta |
| 10:57.26 | anasazi_ | oops |
| 10:58.27 | ronny | CaptObviousman: yup, but its a whole win32 emulator |
| 10:58.39 | CaptObviousman | and this is an entire cell phone with many discrete elements |
| 10:59.01 | ronny | yeah, i expected issues, but not so many |
| 10:59.37 | CaptObviousman | did you purchase a FreeRunner? |
| 10:59.43 | ronny | yeah |
| 11:02.16 | CaptObviousman | well if you get tired of struggling with it, you can always donate it to someone else who's more interested in the project |
| 11:04.59 | ronny | CaptObviousman: its just not nice to pay 300€ for a phone thats basically 50% invalide but was supposed to be the *public* release |
| 11:05.45 | phrozen77 | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. |
| 11:05.49 | phrozen77 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:08.03 | ronny | phrozen77: then why the heck fire a public release? i know at least 5 more people that just brought a freerunner and ended totaly unhappy cause its absolutely not what they expected from a public release |
| 11:08.11 | anasazi | but a nice dev platform |
| 11:08.23 | blippe | ronny: if it is fresh and you live close to sweden i could buy it from you for 300euro |
| 11:10.07 | ronny | blippe: im going to keep it, my other phone died the day before and unlike most of my friends i feel like hacking |
| 11:10.25 | Dave | hah |
| 11:12.15 | CaptObviousman | isn't sure he could use a euro handset |
| 11:12.28 | CaptObviousman | I can't afford it anyway, so I'm trying to shack up with a few others who've already purchased it |
| 11:15.13 | awesomo4k | when reflashing is it still necessary to press aux every thirty seconds |
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| 11:15.39 | Guilt | h |
| 11:15.41 | Guilt | i |
| 11:15.59 | Guilt | i seem to be facing problems using WPA/WPA2 on my netgear dg834gv3 router |
| 11:16.05 | Guilt | anybody facing similiar problems? |
| 11:16.10 | Guilt | are there any patches? |
| 11:16.25 | phrozen77 | this is spar... err #openmoko |
| 11:17.07 | Guilt | eh. i am talking about my freerunner |
| 11:17.09 | Guilt | grr |
| 11:17.32 | awesomo4k | oh this should be great. flashing failed. dfu-util says "dfu_download error -110" Error during download |
| 11:17.39 | Guilt | 'channel hint set to 2462 |
| 11:17.39 | Guilt | Connect called with authmode 1 dot11 auth 1 PW crypto 1 PW crypto Len 0 GRP crypto 1 GRP crypto Len 0' |
| 11:17.49 | Guilt | that does in dmesg ^^ |
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| 12:05.40 | blippe | anybody heard when the new batch will be sold at the openmoko store? |
| 12:06.54 | anasazi | anyone here who installed scummvm on his freerunner? |
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| 12:14.42 | ArteK | hello, how to change a ringotones on FR? |
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| 12:16.53 | alphaone | anasazi: I did on GTA01 some time ago |
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| 12:21.00 | awesomo4k | why does asu keep turning off my phone ! !! |
| 12:23.25 | anasazi | alphaone: acc to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Scummvm it is possible (although only the 1973 is mentioned) |
| 12:23.44 | anasazi | but the package from there won't run on my freerunner. |
| 12:25.16 | awesomo4k | what happens when you run it |
| 12:25.18 | alphaone | hmm |
| 12:25.28 | anasazi | says permission denied. |
| 12:25.31 | anasazi | but permission is ok |
| 12:25.45 | anasazi | seems to be not executable |
| 12:25.45 | awesomo4k | chmod +x |
| 12:25.47 | awesomo4k | filename |
| 12:25.49 | anasazi | already is |
| 12:25.57 | awesomo4k | file "executable" says? |
| 12:26.39 | anasazi | root@om-gta02:/usr/bin# ls -lsa scummvm |
| 12:26.39 | anasazi | 4869 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4986216 Aug 15 2007 scummvm |
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| 12:27.02 | awesomo4k | do you have the "file" command |
| 12:27.02 | anasazi | mom I make a better paste :) |
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| 12:28.41 | Dave | awesomenazi |
| 12:28.59 | johngay | Maybe it doesn't have permission to use what ever files it needs? I've never used scummvm so I'm just guessing. |
| 12:29.34 | awesomo4k | what happens when you run it |
| 12:30.25 | awesomo4k | asu is making me rip the battery out |
| 12:31.26 | anasazi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/30549/ |
| 12:31.30 | anasazi | mmh even stranger |
| 12:31.34 | anasazi | for me at least |
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| 12:32.32 | anasazi | root@om-gta02:~# scummvm |
| 12:32.32 | anasazi | -sh: scummvm: Permission denied |
| 12:33.23 | johngay | Line 19: /usr/bin/openmoko-scummvm: line 10: scummvm: Permission denied |
| 12:33.56 | johngay | Line 10 is a comment, so the problem is either before or after it. |
| 12:34.10 | anasazi | it cant't execute the scummvm |
| 12:34.14 | anasazi | line 11 |
| 12:34.22 | anasazi | line 11 is line 10 |
| 12:34.22 | johngay | Line 9 says xrandr -o left |
| 12:34.33 | anasazi | as line 1 is the more ... |
| 12:34.45 | johngay | Can it access --themepath=/usr/share/scummvm/themes/ |
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| 12:35.22 | johngay | That might be where the permission is denied. |
| 12:35.49 | awesomo4k | asu gets crappiest distro award. |
| 12:36.28 | anasazi | johngay: in my paste line 22 I try to execute scummvm directly (without parameters), and it says not found |
| 12:36.43 | awesomo4k | do you have a "/bin/sh" |
| 12:36.49 | anasazi | if I call it without path |
| 12:37.02 | anasazi | it says "/bin/sh: scummvm: Permission denied" |
| 12:37.27 | anasazi | yes I have /bin/sh |
| 12:37.34 | anasazi | symlink to busybox |
| 12:37.45 | johngay | No, it says -sh: /usr/bin/scummvm: not found |
| 12:38.29 | anasazi | yes but: root@om-gta02:~# ls -l /usr/bin/scummvm |
| 12:38.29 | anasazi | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4986216 Aug 15 2007 /usr/bin/scummvm |
| 12:38.36 | johngay | I'm guessing it's not finding required files to run. |
| 12:38.54 | anasazi | but the error is given by sh, or not? |
| 12:39.30 | johngay | It's not telling what files it's not finding. If scummvm can't find the files in the default place it errors. |
| 12:39.53 | johngay | The script is looking for files in /usr/share/scummvm/themes/ and says permission denied. |
| 12:40.35 | johngay | These are different errors, so I'm guessing you don't have the files it needs to run, or their permissions are wrong. |
| 12:41.22 | johngay | I'm just troubleshooting blind, as I said, I've never tried scummvm before. |
| 12:42.06 | johngay | But I do have it on my GP2X and would be interested to see how it works. |
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| 12:47.15 | awesomo4k | what's "lowlevel foo" for in the dailies ? |
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| 12:55.25 | anasazi | mmmh |
| 12:55.47 | anasazi | the rest of the permissions look good, too. Strange. Nah I will let it rest for now |
| 12:55.56 | anasazi | thanks for your support though! |
| 12:56.05 | awesomo4k | anyone ever see this boot error |
| 12:56.08 | johngay | I like to try. |
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| 12:56.18 | awesomo4k | power_supply bat: driver failed to report 'status' property |
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| 12:57.08 | anasazi | johngay: let me know if it works ;-) |
| 12:57.47 | johngay | I don't have any compatible game files to use with scummvm. That's why I've never tried it out. |
| 12:58.10 | anasazi | http://www.scummvm.org/downloads.php |
| 12:58.15 | anasazi | there are some free downloads |
| 12:59.03 | swc|666 | johngay - that's fsckin awesome |
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| 12:59.08 | awesomo4k | there's a couple here too |
| 12:59.10 | awesomo4k | http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3391408/ScummVM_Games_Collection__no_Humongous_-_PC__amp__FMTOWNS_-_English |
| 12:59.17 | awesomo4k | 7.4G ! |
| 12:59.24 | Dave | :D |
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| 12:59.42 | awesomo4k | not that i would ever encourage downloading files like that illegally |
| 12:59.43 | Dave | roflcopters |
| 13:00.17 | johngay | What's awesome swc|666? |
| 13:00.24 | swc|666 | the name |
| 13:00.27 | Dave | awesome4k? |
| 13:00.41 | johngay | I was just born with it. What's your excuse? |
| 13:00.57 | swc|666 | ahh.. kk - cool |
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| 13:02.07 | johngay | I just lack the imagination to come up with a unique nick (= |
| 13:02.16 | awesomo4k | ok.. |
| 13:02.21 | awesomo4k | i will try installing the scummvm |
| 13:02.26 | awesomo4k | how to do? |
| 13:02.43 | anasazi | I asked first ;-) |
| 13:03.05 | awesomo4k | did you do this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Scummvm |
| 13:03.26 | Dave | Awesomecopters. |
| 13:03.44 | swc|666 | pidgin is in the repo for the FR right? |
| 13:04.19 | anasazi | yes/no |
| 13:04.22 | anasazi | I tried :) |
| 13:04.28 | swc|666 | lol |
| 13:04.30 | anasazi | I installed the ipk |
| 13:04.42 | anasazi | (which it says is for neo 1973, what might be the problem) |
| 13:04.45 | swc|666 | from the angstrom repo? |
| 13:04.47 | Dave | swc, what!? |
| 13:04.55 | Dave | What are you talking about! |
| 13:05.00 | anasazi | I was however unable to do anything with the bitbake recipe |
| 13:05.00 | swc|666 | ;0 |
| 13:05.32 | Zorkman | I'm also interested in this! (just to let you know i'm eavesdropping :)) |
| 13:05.34 | anasazi | too much noob in me |
| 13:05.43 | awesomo4k | anasazi: you have a build environment set up ? |
| 13:05.46 | Zorkman | (anasazi: the noob in stronger in me :)) |
| 13:05.56 | Dave | The noob is strong with this one. |
| 13:05.57 | anasazi | yes |
| 13:06.04 | anasazi | I successfully ported hello world ;-) |
| 13:06.04 | swc|666 | it shouldnt be too hard to build |
| 13:06.40 | anasazi | hello world as in openmoko-sample2 |
| 13:06.47 | Zorkman | isn't it equally hard to build something as to create an ipk (probably stupid question) |
| 13:07.02 | anasazi | I am unable to resolve the dependency virtual/libsdl on my host ubuntu... |
| 13:07.10 | swc|666 | bitbake is kinda off imo |
| 13:07.34 | anasazi | Zorkman: the ipk is downloadable directly ;-) |
| 13:07.58 | anasazi | but I am willing to try and learn |
| 13:08.14 | Zorkman | anasazi: i know, but i mean isn't building equally difficult to MAKING an ipk file that people can download directly |
| 13:08.15 | awesomo4k | ok. |
| 13:08.27 | Zorkman | anasazi: that way not everyone has to build it |
| 13:08.29 | awesomo4k | i'm root on my phone, and have a working internet connection from it. |
| 13:08.38 | awesomo4k | now how did you install |
| 13:09.02 | torero | is there an image viewer in the repos? |
| 13:09.31 | swc|666 | i see it here http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/pidgin_2.2.1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 13:09.32 | anasazi | zorkman: yes of course. But I don't get the point. I am not able to build it / make a ipk. And the ipk available does not work for me.... |
| 13:09.35 | torero | ok i found it |
| 13:09.36 | Zorkman | torero: |
| 13:09.36 | Zorkman | opkg install gpe-icons |
| 13:09.37 | Zorkman | opkg install gpe-gallery |
| 13:09.47 | torero | :) thanks |
| 13:10.11 | anasazi | I installed http://buildhost.automated.it/scummvm/ |
| 13:10.21 | awesomo4k | ok |
| 13:10.25 | Zorkman | anasazi: i just mean that in stead of just building it, you could try to create an ipk *IF* that is the same amount of work, that way i can profit too :) |
| 13:10.27 | awesomo4k | what did you type to install |
| 13:10.38 | anasazi | like wget http://buildhost.automated.it/scummvm/libmpeg2-0_0.4.0b-r2_armv4t.ipk and the rest.... opkg install all of it |
| 13:11.00 | awesomo4k | just the "ipk" files right? |
| 13:11.21 | anasazi | Zorkman: ah ok, I think I got it... so IF I will be able to build it in the future, I will also create an IPK which you of course might download :) |
| 13:11.27 | anasazi | awesomo4k: yes |
| 13:11.47 | anasazi | I needed only the scummvm and the libxv1 thing |
| 13:11.58 | anasazi | the rest was already installed (but don't know if that is per default) |
| 13:12.01 | Dave | HUUUUUUMOOOOOONGOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSS |
| 13:12.23 | awesomo4k | ahh. ok. i just reflashed to 712 2007.2 |
| 13:12.53 | awesomo4k | we need apt-get |
| 13:12.54 | awesomo4k | :) |
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| 13:15.02 | Zorkman | hmmm i installed the ipk and then did "openmoko-scummvm --boot-param=10001 monkey2" an the screen looks very... "funky" :) |
| 13:15.16 | awesomo4k | does monkey2 come with it |
| 13:15.20 | anasazi | no :) |
| 13:15.29 | awesomo4k | wget what? |
| 13:15.30 | awesomo4k | :) |
| 13:15.30 | Zorkman | bu why do i get a jumbled start-upscreen then? |
| 13:15.46 | anasazi | zorkman the openmoko-scummvm think is a script |
| 13:15.52 | Zorkman | k |
| 13:15.53 | awesomo4k | try reorienting the screen to landscape |
| 13:15.54 | torero | is there a way to just display the image without this gpe-gallery thingie? i have some pics in an sd card Fat16 formatted and doesnt want to open the media/card/ subfilders |
| 13:16.09 | anasazi | which maps the AUX button to F5 (the other way round) and flips the screen |
| 13:16.13 | Zorkman | don't know torero |
| 13:16.15 | anasazi | thats why it looks funky |
| 13:16.32 | torero | Zorkman: ok ill try to figure it out |
| 13:16.36 | anasazi | but the desktop variant of scummvm has also a main start screen with a menu if u start it without parameters |
| 13:16.47 | awesomo4k | anasazi: did the scummvm install complain about what libs it was missing or did it complain at runtime |
| 13:16.58 | anasazi | nope |
| 13:17.27 | anasazi | I installed the the libs from the URL before I installed the scummvm ipk. And that worked without errors |
| 13:17.35 | awesomo4k | ok |
| 13:17.52 | anasazi | (despite 2 of the 3 libs were already available in a newer version) |
| 13:17.53 | awesomo4k | scumm complained at install when i did it without any of those libs first. it wanted libmpeg |
| 13:17.55 | swc|666 | pidgin works anazazi |
| 13:18.04 | Zorkman | awesomo4k: anasazi: i got no errors when opkg install scummvm'ing on the asu |
| 13:18.22 | Zorkman | (it configured libmpeg2-0 automatically) |
| 13:19.03 | anasazi | swc|666: mh? What about pidgin? |
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| 13:19.45 | swc|666 | the ipk works |
| 13:20.13 | anasazi | uhm... I guess someone else asked for that? Or why do u tell me? |
| 13:20.22 | anasazi | you mean pidgin ipk? |
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| 13:22.43 | Zorkman | is there a way to check which games would run on the freerunner? |
| 13:23.00 | anasazi | if scummvm runs, I think all games sohuld work |
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| 13:23.11 | Zorkman | no speed-restrictions? |
| 13:23.23 | Dave | zoom zoom? |
| 13:23.25 | Zorkman | (is it also possible to map touchscreeninput to keys?) |
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| 13:23.52 | Dave | probably |
| 13:24.00 | Dave | Anything is possible! |
| 13:24.02 | anasazi | uhm... nice questions :) |
| 13:24.03 | Dave | You just gotta BELIEVE! |
| 13:24.22 | Zorkman | ^^ |
| 13:24.31 | Zorkman | don't worry, I'm a believer |
| 13:24.34 | Dave | ^_^ |
| 13:24.37 | Dave | heehee |
| 13:24.44 | Zorkman | downloading monkey island 2 to begin and test |
| 13:24.48 | Dave | :DDDDDDDDDDd |
| 13:24.59 | Dave | I'm going to install DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM |
| 13:25.06 | Dave | Gotta frag them monsters! |
| 13:25.10 | Zorkman | :):) |
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| 13:25.17 | Zorkman | maybe even accelerometers input for movement :p |
| 13:25.22 | Dave | :o |
| 13:25.39 | Dave | pictures geeks playing jedi games with their iPhone lightsabers |
| 13:25.44 | bonerjams | hi. |
| 13:25.46 | Dave | -_-; |
| 13:25.53 | Dave | Hello Mr. Boner |
| 13:26.06 | swc|666 | :o |
| 13:26.17 | Zorkman | and speechrecognition to annoy everyone around by shouting SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT constantly :) |
| 13:26.25 | anasazi | BAEM BAEM BAEM |
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| 13:27.24 | Dave | -_- |
| 13:27.32 | Dave | szwing, szwing... |
| 13:27.36 | Dave | bzzzzzzzzzzzzzt |
| 13:27.56 | Tm_T | you can stop now, my young padawans |
| 13:28.01 | Zorkman | i'm really anxious to get this up and running :) |
| 13:29.53 | johngay | And people thought my nick was bad? Thx bonerjams (= |
| 13:29.55 | Dave | heh |
| 13:29.59 | Dave | -_-; |
| 13:30.03 | Dave | stupid people. |
| 13:30.10 | bonerjams | ;D |
| 13:30.14 | torindel | hey folks |
| 13:30.26 | johngay | Hey, I resemble that remark, Dave. |
| 13:30.35 | Dave | I think that nickometer should reflect stupidity on top of lameness. |
| 13:30.42 | Dave | john, resent, you mean? |
| 13:30.56 | Dave | unless you are in fact admitting that you are stupid :D |
| 13:31.05 | johngay | No, I meant what I said (= |
| 13:31.09 | Dave | hah :D |
| 13:31.22 | Dave | whee |
| 13:31.34 | Dave | nickometer swc|666 |
| 13:31.37 | awesomo4k | i get this error when running openmoko-scummvm |
| 13:31.43 | johngay | "I'm sorry, Dave! But you know I can't do that." |
| 13:31.51 | Dave | stabbity-stabs johngay |
| 13:31.57 | awesomo4k | /usr/bin/openmoko-scummvm: line 10: /usr/bin/scummvm: not found |
| 13:32.03 | awesomo4k | same thing |
| 13:32.06 | Dave | lowell |
| 13:32.10 | Dave | perhaps it's not instaleld? |
| 13:32.14 | HAL9000 | "I'm sorry, Dave! But you know I can't do that." |
| 13:32.19 | anasazi | awesomo4k: me too :-/ |
| 13:32.19 | torindel | is freerunner supposed to wake from sleep by itself every couple of minutes? (showing screen lock) |
| 13:32.21 | Dave | halsmites HAL9000 |
| 13:32.38 | Dave | beats johngay with a univac system |
| 13:32.44 | Dave | Take that! |
| 13:33.11 | johngay | aewsomo4k, you're exactly where anasazi quit. |
| 13:33.20 | awesomo4k | yeah this is a weird one. |
| 13:33.35 | awesomo4k | i feel like there's something horribly wrong |
| 13:33.57 | Dave | Dudes, that's not even an error. |
| 13:34.03 | Dave | You haven't even begun, if you're getting that. |
| 13:34.19 | awesomo4k | will an error like -sh: /usr/bin/scummvm: not found |
| 13:34.21 | anasazi | (I don't even wonder about the small things like that the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Scummvm says to start the openmoko-scummvm with parameters, but if you look into the script it doesn't process any of them ;-) |
| 13:34.27 | balrog-kun | torindel: it's probably cell broadcasts waking it up |
| 13:34.46 | awesomo4k | that's really not the error |
| 13:34.48 | Dave | zIt's the balronkun! |
| 13:34.53 | Dave | Get 'im! |
| 13:34.56 | balrog-kun | hides |
| 13:34.59 | ajbrun | hi, i'm trying to build the software for the first time using "make openmoko-devel-image", but after about 5 minutes, i get this error: |
| 13:35.00 | ajbrun | 'moko/openembedded/packages/libtool/libtool-native_1.5.10.bb' failed |
| 13:35.01 | Dave | rawr :P |
| 13:35.14 | ajbrun | i'm using these instructions if it helps |
| 13:35.14 | awesomo4k | ajbrun welcome to openmoko development ! |
| 13:35.15 | ajbrun | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Tips |
| 13:35.28 | ajbrun | thanks :p |
| 13:35.32 | johngay | "Dave's not here, Man." |
| 13:35.51 | awesomo4k | i'm sorry you can't do that dave |
| 13:35.51 | Zorkman | i get: |
| 13:35.51 | ajbrun | i want to dev something, but i don't know what yet or how |
| 13:35.52 | Zorkman | xmodmap: unable to open display '' |
| 13:35.52 | Zorkman | Can't open display |
| 13:35.57 | torindel | balrog-kun: thx |
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| 13:36.28 | Zorkman | and then the screen looks again very funky |
| 13:36.29 | anasazi | zorkman: by chance, you do it directly on the phone and not via SSH? |
| 13:36.53 | Zorkman | no, i do it through ssh |
| 13:37.04 | Zorkman | i just type openmoko-scummvm |
| 13:37.11 | awesomo4k | Zorkman |
| 13:37.13 | awesomo4k | export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 13:37.32 | Zorkman | great! |
| 13:37.32 | anasazi | that would have been my second question, if anyone of u knows how to start X11-applications remotely via ssh on the phone |
| 13:37.35 | anasazi | ah |
| 13:38.04 | anasazi | ah this will use the host X11, right? |
| 13:38.09 | Zorkman | unbelievable... i still have the wrong offset when the screen is turned, so i can't click on the add game button :) |
| 13:38.35 | anasazi | Zorkman: u have it running? |
| 13:38.38 | Zorkman | (does that mean we can't play it unless it is connected to the host?) |
| 13:38.44 | Zorkman | anasazi: yeah, it runs and looks great |
| 13:39.00 | anasazi | running on the moko, using host as screen? |
| 13:39.11 | Zorkman | but i need to press a button on the right side to add a game.... and the mouse curser has the wrong offset... |
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| 13:39.28 | Zorkman | it's running on the FreeRunner and on the FreeRunners screen |
| 13:39.49 | johngay | Zorkman rulz!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:39.51 | anasazi | how did u manage that? |
| 13:40.03 | Zorkman | i did *NOTHING* special :) |
| 13:40.13 | Zorkman | i just wget the ipk |
| 13:40.18 | Zorkman | then i do an opkg install |
| 13:40.30 | Zorkman | then export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 13:40.37 | Zorkman | then openmoko-scummvm |
| 13:41.00 | Zorkman | (running fully updated ASU) |
| 13:41.40 | anasazi | interesting |
| 13:41.58 | anasazi | fully updated meaning opkg update && opkg upgrade ? |
| 13:42.01 | Zorkman | jup |
| 13:42.05 | Zorkman | but with the corrected feeds |
| 13:42.28 | anasazi | aha!? Can you please elaborate on that one? :) |
| 13:42.29 | Zorkman | did you read that mail? |
| 13:42.36 | anasazi | no |
| 13:42.41 | Zorkman | i'll dig up up, just a sec |
| 13:42.46 | anasazi | cool thx |
| 13:44.46 | johngay | So glad I could help (= |
| 13:45.12 | Zorkman | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/023521.html |
| 13:45.23 | Zorkman | very important mail |
| 13:45.58 | Zorkman | (only problem i got that it looked like it installed some stuff for the 1973 hardware, i just reflashed the kernel to gta02 one afterwards) |
| 13:46.17 | anasazi | ah btw, as I started only 2 days ago with that all... the pre-installed image is not ASU but 2007.02? |
| 13:47.24 | Zorkman | pre-installed is 2007.2 |
| 13:47.43 | anasazi | ok. so it works with ASU but not with 2007.2 (the scummvm). |
| 13:48.39 | Zorkman | didn't try it on the 2007.2 could try to do that when i reboot it |
| 13:48.42 | torindel | anasazi: i started today ;] |
| 13:49.06 | anasazi | torindel: nice :) but I hope (for my sake) that u don't have scummvm up and running? ;-) |
| 13:49.26 | torindel | nope ;] |
| 13:49.34 | torindel | just testing hw now |
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| 13:50.12 | torindel | i havent test gprs and motion sensors yet |
| 13:50.14 | Zorkman | does anybody know how to fix the wrong offset when the screen is turned? |
| 13:50.45 | Zorkman | torindel: there is a GSoC project with motion based gestures, maybe you'll like to fiddle with that |
| 13:51.08 | torindel | as for wifi i get low signal, and wpa dont work at all (looks like kernel module doesnt support wpa), rest looks ok |
| 13:51.25 | torindel | Zorkman: thx |
| 13:52.09 | johngay | Has someone ported mame yet? |
| 13:52.26 | Zorkman | torindel: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN#Using_WPA_and_.2Fetc.2Fnetwork.2Finterfaces |
| 13:52.48 | johngay | Dave? |
| 13:53.23 | torindel | Zorkman: i know how to set up wifi, wpa_supplicant just have problems |
| 13:53.51 | Zorkman | ok, sorry |
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| 13:54.10 | johngay | Dave? You there?? |
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| 13:54.14 | torindel | normal non wpa wifi seems to work but low signal |
| 13:54.45 | Zorkman | yeah i also get a low signal |
| 13:54.56 | linuxxr | would u list the stepes u took? |
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| 13:55.12 | linuxxr | followed the wiki? |
| 13:55.59 | teprrr | hi, can anyone confirm that the new prebuilt images can be used with neo1973? |
| 13:56.28 | teprrr | what I meant to ask was that does anyone know if they do work, of course :) |
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| 13:59.51 | Zorkman | anybody know how to fix the wrong mouse offset when in landscape mode? |
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| 14:01.20 | anasazi | yeah thats annoying |
| 14:01.33 | Zorkman | it makes it impossible to use scummvm.... |
| 14:02.03 | Chocky | :o |
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| 14:13.10 | ronny | hmm, gps still wont work :/ |
| 14:13.55 | alphaone | ronny: What's the problem? |
| 14:14.02 | alphaone | What device, what image? |
| 14:15.03 | ronny | alphaone: mainstream image, latest upgrades installed, freerunner |
| 14:15.14 | ronny | wont get its first fix |
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| 14:18.30 | slurpster | woo hoo...loooks like we got some people from taiwan on the channel. |
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| 14:21.20 | VDVsx | anyone with a qtopia image in the neo that can pastebin a file for me ? |
| 14:21.53 | Chocky | maybe. |
| 14:22.06 | Zorkman | ronny: maybe you're building is blocking the signal too much? use agpsui and try it outside and see if it can see any sattelites and what their strenght is? for a fix i need to be very close to a window |
| 14:22.47 | Zorkman | question: does anyone know a terminal command to rotate the screen of the freerunner? |
| 14:22.49 | VDVsx | Chocky: do you have a neo with qtopia near to you ? |
| 14:22.53 | Chocky | maybe. |
| 14:23.03 | alphaone | Zorkman: xrandr -s1 |
| 14:23.08 | alphaone | -o 1 |
| 14:23.20 | alphaone | -o 0 to turn it back |
| 14:23.27 | Chocky | what do I can you for? |
| 14:23.50 | alphaone | Zorkman: But ts input will be broken then |
| 14:24.27 | Zorkman | yeah i know :( |
| 14:24.37 | VDVsx | Chocky: I need the content of the file /etc/bluetooth/hci.conf |
| 14:24.41 | Zorkman | otherwise we could play scummvm games... |
| 14:25.18 | Chocky | mine is opkg ugpraded frmo GTK setup; might or might not be what you want |
| 14:25.24 | VDVsx | Chocky: /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf |
| 14:26.19 | Chocky | http://pastebin.com/d79462846 |
| 14:27.03 | VDVsx | Chocky: thanks |
| 14:28.01 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r1ce6a47433a7 10/tools/makedoc.py: add lousy tool confessing me giving up on doctools and xslt |
| 14:28.01 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r25584464ee28 10/otapi/xhtml/ (2 files): regenerate |
| 14:28.59 | anasazi | ronny u know about the sd card (just to be sure) |
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| 14:30.00 | ronny | anasazi: yeah |
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| 14:30.49 | anasazi | maybe u are in the poor set of people with bad connection? I read something in the wiki... |
| 14:31.29 | ronny | hmm |
| 14:31.47 | ronny | i get 2 satelites, both below 30 db |
| 14:33.12 | ronny | bbl, going out in the garden |
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| 14:33.29 | Chocky | :o |
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| 14:39.20 | elektranox | is there a way to make openmoko-terminal2 UTF-8 capable? |
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| 14:44.12 | Zorkman | anybody know how to add/store maps in expsosure/splinter? |
| 14:44.15 | Chocky | moo. |
| 14:44.25 | Chocky | pokes Debian |
| 14:44.45 | ronny | anasazi: got a fix now |
| 14:44.48 | Zorkman | anybody know how to add/store maps in expsosure/splinter? |
| 14:45.40 | ronny | whats a good way to add a dns-proxy to my ubuntu box, i hate fixing usbnet every time i connect the moko |
| 14:45.58 | Chocky | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 14:46.00 | Chocky | all there. |
| 14:46.04 | Chocky | I rewrote it last night. |
| 14:46.11 | ronny | oh, thanks |
| 14:47.12 | torero | so, where are the steps to flash the qtopia image? the wiki is still a bit confusing |
| 14:47.22 | Chocky | one page at a time :o |
| 14:47.36 | Chocky | but it is there, linked from the getting started guide |
| 14:47.59 | torero | oukei... |
| 14:48.13 | linuxxr | thanks to oue editor things are getting better |
| 14:48.36 | torero | yep, i was in the neo1973 page :S |
| 14:48.44 | torero | now im in the right one i think |
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| 14:58.56 | ronny | hmm, is there any prefered package for dns proxy on ubuntu? |
| 14:59.20 | Chocky | iptables :o |
| 15:00.44 | mjr | dnsmasq is okay |
| 15:00.50 | ronny | hmk |
| 15:00.59 | Chocky | that's a full DNS server rather than a proxy, but works pretty well. |
| 15:01.03 | Chocky | dead easy to configure |
| 15:01.33 | Chocky | anyway, the page mentions all this |
| 15:02.10 | ronny | hmm, now all i need is a good navigation-software |
| 15:03.02 | Chocky | reworks Debian page :o |
| 15:03.11 | Chocky | pass 1. more to do. |
| 15:03.57 | elektranox | any way to make openmoko-terminal2 UTF-8 capable? |
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| 15:10.14 | Zorkman | correction: tango-gps works now |
| 15:10.39 | Chocky | :o |
| 15:12.40 | Zorkman | question: i downloaded some maps to /Maps on my 2007.2 image running from flash; i currently run ASU from sd card: how do i acces that /map folder? |
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| 15:28.21 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 15:28.31 | Chocky | maties. |
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| 15:30.08 | araujo | argh, no FR in stock |
| 15:30.08 | slurpster | guess its bed time....byeybe |
| 15:30.09 | araujo | yet |
| 15:30.11 | araujo | :-( |
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| 15:32.56 | Zorkman | anybody know where to download the eightball? http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Um7Chd30Y&feature=related |
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| 15:36.00 | Zorkman | does anybody know how to download or save maps in exposure? (otherwise i'll ask on the community lists) |
| 15:37.47 | spydon | Shouldnt it be 192.168.0.202 here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#More_on_DNS ? |
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| 15:38.05 | anasazi | zorkman: w.r.t. the eightball... interesting |
| 15:38.09 | anasazi | but dont know where to get |
| 15:38.18 | Chocky | ah yes |
| 15:38.40 | anasazi | zorkman have u tried other map repositories with targo gps? |
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| 15:42.26 | Zorkman | what do you mean anasazi? |
| 15:43.43 | thewtex | hey dudes |
| 15:43.56 | thewtex | anyone know where the latest u-boot can be found? |
| 15:44.09 | thewtex | with ext2, sdhc support? |
| 15:44.18 | Zorkman | thewtex: http://buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 15:44.38 | anasazi | Zorkman: default is OSM, but u can also use google maps or other stuff (if u know how...) |
| 15:44.59 | anasazi | OSM itself has a second repository with slightly different images, which I tried |
| 15:45.03 | thewtex | mmontour: do you know if v1.3.1-r3 is the new uboot that works with sdhc? |
| 15:45.05 | anasazi | but it was horribly slow |
| 15:45.26 | thewtex | Zorkman: looking in daily/freerunner, and all the files are at least named the same for all dates |
| 15:45.48 | Zorkman | anasazi: yeah i know the default is OSM, but i want to be able to use them offline and I can't find how to do that |
| 15:46.10 | Zorkman | thewtex: if you have a freerunner: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080725/uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin |
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| 15:46.37 | thewtex | Zorkman: ok, I'll try that |
| 15:47.00 | Zorkman | tangogps had an option to download the maps or to just save them to another directory than /tmp so they were still there after a reboot |
| 15:47.54 | ronny | are there any games for the freerunner yet? |
| 15:48.10 | Zorkman | ronny: 7.4gig if you use scummvm |
| 15:48.19 | ronny | oO |
| 15:48.33 | Zorkman | but scummvm uses landscape mode and there is an error with the offset there |
| 15:49.19 | Zorkman | so currently there are some (20?) in the 2007.2 and i also have a few on the asu (kobedelux for example) |
| 15:52.09 | Chocky | there's kobodeluxe in the packages, and 2007 comes with a bunch of board games |
| 15:52.22 | Chocky | er |
| 15:52.26 | Chocky | so repeat |
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| 15:59.57 | stephelton | has anyone had problems with the sms'es not sending sometimes? i hit the button and it doesn't do anything. sometimes it works fine though |
| 16:00.28 | pjz | is there any commitment to stability for either 2007.2 or ASU distros? |
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| 16:03.50 | programmerq | Do I need the GSM850 or GSM900 varient for t-mobile in the US? |
| 16:04.01 | SpeedEvil | 850 in US |
| 16:04.05 | programmerq | k |
| 16:04.18 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r94e4205d3af0 10/odeviced/src/plugins/display/display.vala: Fix SetBackLightPower |
| 16:06.31 | spydon | is it possible that the freerunner isnt always USB0? |
| 16:07.10 | mw| | spydon: depends on your distro |
| 16:07.20 | mw| | usually it pops up as usb0 |
| 16:07.22 | spydon | ubuntu 8.04.1 |
| 16:07.27 | mw| | spydon: ifconfig -a |
| 16:07.38 | mw| | do you get any new devices when you plugin your moko? |
| 16:08.26 | sparrow | waves |
| 16:08.39 | spydon | yup USB0 :P |
| 16:08.53 | AVee | Just a quick question before diner. Is a decent irc client for the freerunner allready? |
| 16:10.14 | AVee | Preferably Irssi, but anything half decent is fine. |
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| 16:13.09 | spydon | weird I can't ssh to it anymore, but I could yesterday and I did everything on the USB networking wiki again but it is still not working... |
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| 16:16.52 | spydon | I get "ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: Connection timed out" when I try to ssh it |
| 16:18.04 | thewtex | spydon: firewall? |
| 16:18.21 | spydon | I did the iptables stuff in the wiki |
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| 16:19.14 | mw| | spydon: you probably lack the usb drver |
| 16:19.16 | mw| | driver |
| 16:19.29 | spydon | but it worked yesterday :S |
| 16:19.31 | mw| | if you don't get usb0 |
| 16:19.38 | spydon | I get usb0 |
| 16:19.50 | mw| | ifconfig usb0 which ip does it have assigned? |
| 16:20.36 | spydon | I don't see any... maybe mac adresses :P |
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| 16:21.19 | spydon | http://pastebin.com/d45d2e27d |
| 16:22.04 | spydon | brb, I shall just go eat |
| 16:22.26 | sparrow | spydon - I have found from time to time they my FR does not notice when I plug in a usb cable. Try plugging in it in and out again. |
| 16:22.38 | sparrow | s/they/that |
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| 16:30.09 | ozzloy | will the kernel "uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin" work with 2007.2 and qtopia rootfs? |
| 16:30.38 | bumbl_ | ozzloy: yes |
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| 16:36.33 | Chocky | moo |
| 16:37.43 | smhar | so it seems that the July 25th deadline is missed, and we are left in the dark of any taget date... again :-) |
| 16:38.02 | Chocky | aw |
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| 16:40.44 | ryansv | hey everybody |
| 16:40.55 | programmerq | it's fine... I need more time to talk my wife into letting me get one anyway :p |
| 16:41.03 | spydon | sparrow, it notices when I do it... |
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| 16:41.14 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rc412068e459c 10/odeviced/src/daemon/helpers.vala: Plugins using automatic dbus path lookup should have an additional constructor of type Plugin |
| 16:41.14 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * re1fc26edbe94 10/odeviced/src/plugins/ (led/led.vala power/power.vala rtc/rtc.vala): sync with the helpers compute_objects. Each plugin now has a reference to the respective plugin manager. Removes the need for hard coding |
| 16:41.14 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * re1963e7b7a96 10/odeviced/vapi/odeviced.vapi: sync .vapi |
| 16:41.36 | spydon | sparrow, well now in all case, but I still cant ssh to it |
| 16:41.42 | MTrevi | Hello |
| 16:41.53 | sparrow | spydon - Can you ping the phone? |
| 16:41.53 | MTrevi | I've some problems with DNS... :/ |
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| 16:42.06 | spydon | sparrow, nope |
| 16:42.07 | Chocky | wonderss what sparrow broke |
| 16:42.15 | Chocky | er, spydon :o |
| 16:42.30 | MTrevi | I've flashed the latest ASU, I can ping external IPs but I can't do it for google.com (for example) |
| 16:42.32 | MTrevi | any idea? |
| 16:42.40 | sparrow | Chocky - Too early not to blame it on me ;) |
| 16:42.42 | Chocky | MTrevi: unless you tell us _exactly_ we can't help. in any case, read the updated USB networking guide |
| 16:42.43 | SpeedEvil | DNS |
| 16:42.51 | MTrevi | ah, of course |
| 16:42.53 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: yes we can! |
| 16:42.58 | Chocky | ;-) |
| 16:42.58 | MTrevi | I've changed resolv.conf |
| 16:43.06 | Chocky | can you ping your DNS server's IP? |
| 16:43.06 | MTrevi | putting there the opendns ip. |
| 16:43.08 | spydon | I must have done something terrible wrong ^^ |
| 16:43.16 | MTrevi | yes |
| 16:43.20 | SpeedEvil | makes a little voodoo doll for MTrevi, and sticks little images of websites into it. |
| 16:43.21 | *** join/#openmoko greentux (n=lemke@Z6883.z.pppool.de) |
| 16:43.22 | MTrevi | yesterday I was able to do that |
| 16:43.27 | Chocky | and now? ;-) |
| 16:43.38 | SpeedEvil | There are otehr ways to help users! |
| 16:43.46 | MTrevi | now no |
| 16:43.48 | MTrevi | :/ |
| 16:43.53 | Chocky | then that is why your DNS is bust ;-) |
| 16:44.01 | Chocky | use your gateway's IP, that will be best |
| 16:44.09 | Chocky | whatever IP your desktop is using. |
| 16:44.10 | balajirrao | hi, I begin to see a tiny mouse cursor in the screen and I'm not able to quit the foreground app! help! |
| 16:44.12 | Chocky | all in the guide. |
| 16:44.15 | *** join/#openmoko ieatlint (i=ieatlint@tehinterweb.com) |
| 16:44.18 | Chocky | linters |
| 16:44.24 | MTrevi | yesterday I was using the standard freerunner version |
| 16:44.31 | MTrevi | and all worked |
| 16:44.31 | MTrevi | now |
| 16:44.49 | MTrevi | I've put the latest asu, for a test, but I can't resolv any domain. |
| 16:44.50 | Chocky | MTrevi: There's nothing "standard". pleaase don't make me guess details. |
| 16:44.52 | spydon | I cant ping 192.168.0.200 from the phone either... |
| 16:45.12 | Chocky | can't help _anyone_ with networking unless they answer my questions :-( |
| 16:45.24 | MTrevi | Chocky: yes there's at least a standard: the shipped version ;P |
| 16:45.25 | MTrevi | however |
| 16:45.27 | ronny | hmm |
| 16:45.44 | Chocky | spydon: sounds like you change your usb0 settings on the phone. perhaps you configured wifi? |
| 16:45.50 | ronny | the clock over ntp is 2 hours off ./ |
| 16:45.52 | spydon | Chocky, nope |
| 16:45.57 | Chocky | ronny: I know, suxxors. |
| 16:46.05 | Chocky | spydon: is wifi configured at all? |
| 16:46.13 | Chocky | spydon: and what does ifconfig usb0 on the phone say? |
| 16:46.16 | spydon | Chocky, I cant ping 192.168.0.202 from the phone either :P |
| 16:46.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03florian 07org.openmoko.dev * r224f6ed17dea 10/packages/tasks/task-gpe-base.bb: task-gpe-base: Remove gpe-bootsplash, this might be provided by the distribution as well. |
| 16:46.55 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03florian 07org.openmoko.dev * r3de5f8013275 10/packages/gpe-su/gpe-su_0.20.bb: gpe-su: add 0.20 including new translations |
| 16:46.55 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03florian 07org.openmoko.dev * r34245dc44f49 10/ (105 files in 36 dirs): merge of '05e9902f277de28b4e08c6bb6aff89f8862b84ac' |
| 16:46.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03florian 07org.openmoko.dev * rface09436b4e 10/packages/ (gpe-su/gpe-su_0.20.bb tasks/task-gpe-base.bb): merge of '377e4d7bcf91440bd806ee920d1b7ff72c44b991' |
| 16:46.58 | Chocky | spydon: if you can't ping .202 from the phone (which is its IP), then something is wrong/change with the usb0 interface, like I said. |
| 16:46.59 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r0a81d2353267 10/packages/busybox/busybox_1.11.1.bb: busybox 1.11.1 apply first two hotfixes |
| 16:47.02 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r8bc215a8eb2f 10/contrib/python/generate-manifest-2.5.py: generate-manifest-2.5.py restore alphabetical order and update version |
| 16:47.05 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r5240360f8e25 10/packages/linux/ (12 files in 2 dirs): linux omap2 git: update TWL4030 patches for beagle, add mrus clock patches |
| 16:47.06 | Chocky | spam! |
| 16:47.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r317094a0fc74 10/packages/mythtv/ (5 files in 2 dirs): mythtv: start beating it into a state where it will crosscompile |
| 16:47.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r602753b3953e 10/packages/mythtv/ (5 files in 2 dirs): merge of '25f2070b6ff7c016172c18ddcbea754aeb7d159e' |
| 16:47.18 | MTrevi | Chocky, to resume, pratically I've configured the net and works, I've added a working dns in resolv.conf but ping (and other net tools) doesn't care of it |
| 16:47.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r39f3472b06a1 10/packages/dsplink/dsplink_1.51.00.08.bb: dsplink 1.51: adjust default preference |
| 16:47.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r1f7887612a6f 10/packages/mythtv/ (mythtv.inc mythtv/configure.patch mythtv_svn.bb): mythtv: the configure does link tests first (which succeed) and then goes to check if the lib exists in LDPATH. This is bogus, so rig the path check. |
| 16:47.27 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r9bbfe19f04ce 10/packages/mythtv/mythtv/configure.patch: mythtv: don't use 'uname' when cross compiling |
| 16:47.30 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r73755b43b90a 10/packages/mythtv/mythtv_svn.bb: mythtv: pass --arch as well as --cpu |
| 16:47.32 | spydon | Chocky, yeah... the ifconfig usb0 doesnt say any IP either |
| 16:47.33 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * ra24a97c9e9ab 10/conf/machine/neuros-osd2.conf: neuros-osd2: recommend dsplink modules |
| 16:47.36 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r4fb7edb215b0 10/packages/tasks/ (task-base.bb task-boot.bb): task-boot,base: bump PR |
| 16:47.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r208e0255180d 10/packages/linux/linux-neuros_git.bb: linux-neuros: bump SRCREV |
| 16:47.50 | Chocky | MTrevi: please don't assume what is and isn't working. you said you can't ping the IP you have for DNS. clearly then DNS will not work |
| 16:47.52 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r22f4b95f0c9b 10/packages/linux/ (10 files in 3 dirs): linux-openmoko[-devel]: add squashfs to both builds, refactor more common stuff into the .inc file |
| 16:47.55 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r7c0a1763256e 10/packages/linux/linux-openmoko.inc: linux-openmoko.inc: add audio modules for both kernels, lets ses whether the right thing happens @ runtime |
| 16:47.58 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * re78a2842bf9a 10/packages/linux/ (10 files in 3 dirs): merge of '05c935a7653c0d015e410ba1c92bd8909528d2d0' |
| 16:48.00 | Chocky | MTrevi: as I said, use whatever your desktop is using for DNS |
| 16:48.01 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r8b36f4cd0443 10/packages/vlc/vlc-davinci_0.8.6h.bb: vlc davinci: more configure params |
| 16:48.06 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r0671222a8f91 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): merge of '21552d6d6a52b72f70dbeebd78da48da3acf2af8' |
| 16:48.15 | Chocky | spydon: perhaps ifup usb0 on the phone. |
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| 16:48.17 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03khem 07org.openmoko.dev * r363e19584fb9 10/packages/gcc/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Fix ARCH_FLAGS_FOR_TARGET and --with-build-sysroot on gcc 4.3.1. |
| 16:48.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r2bfb64a062e8 10/packages/qt4/ (13 files in 2 dirs): qt4 x11 free: add 4.4.0 |
| 16:48.21 | Zorkman | vlc is in the distro???? |
| 16:48.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03jluebbe 07org.openmoko.dev * r3a7d47836741 10/packages/freesmartphone/zhone_git.bb: zhone: depend on python-cairo for graphs |
| 16:48.26 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03jluebbe 07org.openmoko.dev * r3e829dbb5bda 10/ (52 files in 20 dirs): merge of '832167cf1cc0ab655072532b7c546a8a25821e44' |
| 16:48.29 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r26eb0b4ea461 10/packages/dsplink/dsplink_1.51.00.08.bb: dsplink: fix preference typo |
| 16:48.29 | Chocky | Zorkman: !!! |
| 16:48.31 | programmerq | CIA-46 = bot for spitting out git pushes? |
| 16:48.34 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r4af0abaa9319 10/packages/vlc/vlc-davinci_0.8.6h.bb: vlc: add more configure flags, bump SRCREV |
| 16:48.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r43cf02f607cf 10/packages/freesmartphone/zhone_git.bb: merge of '344b86124dcdb7509a844c86928cdee99994139d' |
| 16:48.39 | Zorkman | chat did i do wrong this time? |
| 16:48.42 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re5866e41bbcf 10/packages/mythtv/ (mythtv/configure.patch mythtv/ifdef-qt.diff mythtv_svn.bb): mythtv: disable opengl since qt4 doesn't build QtOpenGL |
| 16:48.42 | Zorkman | *what |
| 16:48.47 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03florian 07org.openmoko.dev * r43dec0a94285 10/ (73 files in 29 dirs): merge of 'd99c8702df0201605c294d4a9f65791562789838' |
| 16:48.50 | CIA-46 | (102 lines omitted) |
| 16:48.52 | MTrevi | Chocky: I've done that |
| 16:49.03 | spydon | Chocky, ifup: misplaced option "gateway" |
| 16:49.13 | Chocky | MTrevi: and can you ping _that_ ip |
| 16:49.18 | MTrevi | of course |
| 16:49.19 | Chocky | spydon: looks like you made a typo |
| 16:49.27 | MTrevi | all the networking works |
| 16:49.28 | Chocky | spydon: and does DNS now work? |
| 16:49.29 | Chocky | good. |
| 16:49.32 | MTrevi | just the resolution has problems |
| 16:49.38 | Chocky | er. |
| 16:49.45 | Chocky | you are being contradictory |
| 16:49.53 | Chocky | either it works, or it doesn't |
| 16:49.57 | BleedingH | http://www.tikaro.com/2008/07/velcro-backed-qrcode-patches-t.html wonder how long til aftermarket freerunner cams |
| 16:50.00 | MTrevi | well, all but the dns resolving :P |
| 16:50.06 | Chocky | *facepalm* |
| 16:50.08 | MTrevi | so I can ping any IP |
| 16:50.19 | Chocky | I repeat, again. _can_ you ping your DNS IP? |
| 16:50.22 | Chocky | from the freerunner? |
| 16:50.24 | MTrevi | but my freerunner doesn't like "words" :P |
| 16:50.26 | MTrevi | yes |
| 16:50.34 | spydon | Chocky, nope |
| 16:50.51 | ozzloy | i was just running the qt build and there doesn't seem to be a keyboard or a terminal |
| 16:50.55 | ozzloy | where are they? |
| 16:51.00 | Chocky | MTrevi: and this IP is _exactly_ the same as for your desktop DNS IP? |
| 16:51.31 | Chocky | spydon: nope what? as I said, you probably have a typo. |
| 16:51.39 | Chocky | spyre: you changed something, somewhere :o |
| 16:51.44 | Chocky | spanks bitchx |
| 16:51.50 | spydon | Chocky, <Chocky> spydon: and does DNS now work? |
| 16:52.04 | spydon | Chocky, I think I now where, I shall check it |
| 16:52.05 | Chocky | spyre: misdirected. sorry |
| 16:52.06 | MTrevi | yes Chocky |
| 16:52.10 | Chocky | sypdon. |
| 16:52.14 | Chocky | so confused! |
| 16:52.17 | spydon | ah ok ^^ |
| 16:52.17 | MTrevi | I've done exactly the same things I did yesterday |
| 16:52.21 | MTrevi | (when it worked) |
| 16:52.24 | *** part/#openmoko pvborza (n=paul@groundhog.ijs.si) |
| 16:52.27 | MTrevi | but now I can't resolve |
| 16:52.36 | MTrevi | I've a different kernel/image, but that's strange |
| 16:52.45 | Chocky | MTrevi: here is a stupid question. what is your desktop's DNS IP? and can your desktop resolve? |
| 16:52.59 | MTrevi | yes |
| 16:53.05 | MTrevi | I wouldn't be there :P |
| 16:53.10 | Chocky | you might be. |
| 16:53.29 | MTrevi | (yeah, but not with easy moves) |
| 16:53.35 | ronny | hmm |
| 16:53.37 | Chocky | what is the _exact_ contents of /etc/resolv.conf on your FR? |
| 16:53.48 | ronny | the default ui is rather slow, are the other images faster? |
| 16:53.57 | Chocky | ronny: er, um. maybe :o |
| 16:54.02 | MTrevi | actually nameserver 208.67.222.222 |
| 16:54.16 | MTrevi | but also using nameserver 192.168.10.1 I get the same thing |
| 16:54.38 | Chocky | MTrevi: I suspect some firewall rule. what distro? |
| 16:54.47 | MTrevi | ubuntu |
| 16:55.04 | Chocky | any junk in "iptables -t nat -L -v -n"? |
| 16:55.14 | thewtex | ronny: qtopia.net |
| 16:55.24 | spydon | well my /etc/network/interfaces says gateway 192.168.0.200 but that isnt in the wiki anymore, shall I remove that from the file? |
| 16:55.45 | thewtex | spydon: no |
| 16:55.59 | Chocky | spydon: that might be an oversight on my part. |
| 16:56.11 | spydon | Ok |
| 16:56.16 | ronny | thewtex: whats the correct image for a moko to install then ? |
| 16:56.16 | thewtex | Chocky: did you remove it from the wiki? |
| 16:56.21 | Chocky | it should be there, yes. I don't think the wiki actually mentions modifying that file ;-) |
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| 16:57.05 | thewtex | ronny: see 'Latest images' page on the wiki |
| 16:57.23 | Chocky | thewtex: no, as I say. The wiki doesn't mention modifying it. In most cases, you don't need to. |
| 16:57.23 | MTrevi | well Chocky maybe I've some junk there |
| 16:57.25 | MTrevi | mhmhmh |
| 16:57.38 | Chocky | MTrevi: look for some UDP stuff. |
| 16:57.43 | thewtex | Chocky: yes, i think it is default that way |
| 16:57.57 | spydon | But how is it possible that I cant even ping localhost? :P |
| 16:58.09 | *** join/#openmoko tomboy64 (n=tomboy64@e178049007.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:58.11 | Chocky | localhost is a different interface |
| 16:58.13 | Chocky | lo |
| 16:58.23 | ronny | thewtex: shoudl i use tha asu image or the qtopia.net one ? |
| 16:58.32 | Chocky | ronny: probably ASU. |
| 16:58.37 | *** join/#openmoko xkr47 (i=xkr47@a88-112-24-115.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 16:58.39 | spydon | Chocky, ah ok but I cant ping 192.168.0.202 either :S |
| 16:58.56 | Chocky | spydon: ah yes, I mean if that file has errors, then it maybe that neither are confiugured |
| 16:58.57 | Yanroy | hi again... I was just trying to set the volume using alsamixer per the getting started page |
| 16:59.25 | ronny | hmk |
| 16:59.25 | Yanroy | my headphones and PCM are already set at 100% and there is no mic2... what do I do now? |
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| 17:00.02 | Chocky | Yanroy: I think that ALSA is ongoing pain. I don't have an answer. |
| 17:00.24 | Yanroy | ok, so the wiki is just wrong and no one knows what it's supposed to say? :) |
| 17:00.49 | Chocky | the wiki could easliy be out of date. I suspect someone does know. but it might be in flux. |
| 17:00.55 | thewtex | ronny if you want fast, use the qtopia.net one |
| 17:01.15 | mmontour | Yanroy: "alsamixer -V all" to see mic2. By default it only shows the "playback" controls |
| 17:01.19 | Zorkman | Yanroy: there were some mails about the alsamixer lately on the mailinglist |
| 17:01.24 | Chocky | ha, han hexpert |
| 17:01.26 | Yanroy | ah, thanks mmontour |
| 17:01.43 | Yanroy | Zorkman: yeah, I know... I've read everything on the community list in the past 3 months |
| 17:01.59 | Yanroy | and I do mean everything. except for that thread about wiki maintainer, cuz it was boring |
| 17:02.30 | Yanroy | doesn't get any work done at work |
| 17:02.40 | Chocky | yanory: hell, you must be bored even without that ;-) |
| 17:02.41 | Zorkman | same here, i should have better used my time to learn how to work with linux :) |
| 17:03.24 | spydon | Can someone tell me how the /etc/network/interfaces should look like? :P |
| 17:03.58 | Zorkman | i will pastebin mine |
| 17:04.05 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ref192e4f778c 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/input.vala: remove hardcoding of config file path |
| 17:04.26 | Yanroy | is anyone in this chat room on IRC from their FR? :D |
| 17:04.29 | Chocky | Yanroy: what a stupid thread :p |
| 17:04.34 | SpeedEvil | I have in the past. |
| 17:04.40 | SpeedEvil | Though not a FR |
| 17:04.41 | Zorkman | http://pastebin.com/m3158bc98 |
| 17:05.09 | spydon | Zorkman, thx, that fixes it :D |
| 17:05.24 | spydon | I had replaced the whole file with just the gatewat row :P |
| 17:05.53 | Chocky | spydon: so what exactly was wrong? |
| 17:05.53 | Yanroy | spydon: as I recall, the instructions are a bit vague on that... I almost did the same thing. perhaps you should make them clearer :) |
| 17:06.36 | Chocky | is real keen on making the USB networking instructions exact, not everyone's random experience ;-) |
| 17:06.37 | MTrevi | Chocky: you was right... It was an ipfilter issue |
| 17:06.45 | Chocky | MTrevi: whee. |
| 17:06.49 | spydon | Chocky, My interface file was just one row: gateway 192.168.0.200 :P |
| 17:06.54 | MTrevi | I wasn't able to fix it in my gutsy pc, but it works well in my feisty based notebook |
| 17:06.57 | Chocky | spyre: ah, I see. gotcha |
| 17:06.58 | MTrevi | thanks |
| 17:07.05 | Chocky | er, spydon |
| 17:07.08 | Chocky | hooray! |
| 17:07.11 | thewtex | the u-boot file names on buildhost.openmoko are _wrong_ |
| 17:07.21 | thewtex | the version is different |
| 17:07.29 | MTrevi | however, neither flushing the iptables rules I have here fixed with gutsy... I'll see later for a fix |
| 17:07.32 | Chocky | uboot is a bit in flux right now. |
| 17:07.52 | Chocky | MTrevi: maybe you have a DENY policy on the tables |
| 17:08.31 | *** join/#openmoko ernst (n=ernst@blfd-4db1ce55.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 17:08.59 | Chocky | thewtex: Booting from SD page looks a bit more sane :o |
| 17:09.14 | ernst | does anyone know about patches for navit Freerunner ? |
| 17:09.26 | thewtex | Chocky: trying to keep it that way :P |
| 17:09.34 | thewtex | Chocky: trying to boot kernel off ext2 |
| 17:09.45 | thewtex | Chocky: is that possible? |
| 17:09.49 | Chocky | it's like the broken windows syndrome. if it's broken, people add crap. if it's good, people tend to keep it that way |
| 17:10.03 | Chocky | it certainly is. I'm boot from ext3, but I don't thing that matters too much |
| 17:10.05 | Chocky | for Debian |
| 17:10.11 | thewtex | just loaded the 'latest' uboot |
| 17:10.29 | Chocky | I'm using a uboot someone gave me. I don't know if the daily has all the bits in - it's supposed to |
| 17:11.16 | Chocky | I was going to add some explicit stuff for booting Debian. |
| 17:11.24 | thewtex | Chocky: can you help me out in updating the 'Booting from SD' page |
| 17:11.26 | Chocky | although that's not really any different to booting anything else |
| 17:11.28 | SpeedEvil | Oh-er! |
| 17:11.41 | Chocky | I will, but I need to check a few things out. |
| 17:11.51 | swc|666 | has been happily booting debain from sd for a month |
| 17:11.53 | Chocky | SpeedEvil: missus! |
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| 17:12.03 | thewtex | Chocky: can you please do 'version' from your u-boot |
| 17:12.15 | Chocky | swc|666: yes, there's a couple of ways. but some of them are more complex than others. |
| 17:12.27 | swc|666 | how so |
| 17:12.29 | Chocky | thewtex: right now, no. and serial access was horrifically broken. |
| 17:12.30 | thewtex | Chocky: and please list the menu_# lines from printenv |
| 17:12.30 | swc|666 | ez |
| 17:12.35 | Chocky | swc|666: question. |
| 17:12.45 | swc|666 | .. |
| 17:12.52 | thewtex | Chocky: what about usb |
| 17:13.16 | Chocky | thewtex: by "serial" I mean the ttyACM USB stuff. |
| 17:13.28 | Chocky | perhaps using the "serial" option would be better. is that ttyUSB0? |
| 17:13.33 | Chocky | not tried |
| 17:13.40 | AntonTakk | has the page for known working sims been taken down? i can't seem to find it |
| 17:13.41 | thewtex | Chocky: what part is broken |
| 17:13.54 | Chocky | the last character you typed doesn't show until you type the next one. |
| 17:14.12 | Chocky | and you can't really cut and paste. I had to type the uboot command I needed exactly. took me 6 tries. |
| 17:14.40 | thewtex | Chocky: didyou try /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 17:14.53 | Chocky | this may all be a function of the version I tried. I don't want to write anything definitive until I try the offical versions. |
| 17:14.57 | Chocky | yes, that's what I said :p |
| 17:15.01 | swc|666 | Chocky: same here when i did it from OS X, but minicom seems better on a (nix box |
| 17:15.05 | swc|666 | cut/paste |
| 17:15.25 | Chocky | to make things worse, minicom's wrapping has never been good. |
| 17:15.50 | swc|666 | true... but break it down to a couple lines |
| 17:15.57 | Chocky | anyway. all in good time. I want the wiki to be exact, so just some stuff I remembered. |
| 17:16.01 | swc|666 | then save and do printenv to make sure its good |
| 17:16.18 | thewtex | Chocky: I am using cu, and it works fine |
| 17:16.28 | Chocky | thewtex: cu had same problems. anyway. |
| 17:16.31 | Zorkman | screen also worked |
| 17:16.39 | Chocky | is allergic to screen. |
| 17:17.08 | Chocky | anyway, my immediate focus is improving the Debian stuff. everything else in good time. |
| 17:18.15 | Zorkman | i get these new errors with opkg upgrade http://pastebin.com/m746036d5 |
| 17:18.19 | slango | does openmoko have a web browser yet? |
| 17:18.31 | Zorkman | anyone knows which one i have to selecT? |
| 17:18.34 | mmontour | There's a terminal program called "neocon" in the OM svn tree. It has an option to add a per-character delay, and this should allow you to copy/paste commands into u-boot (though I haven't tried it myself) |
| 17:19.55 | Yanroy | is there a vim package for FR? I'm getting pretty sick of vi, with all it's lack of colors and undo support :P |
| 17:20.00 | Chocky | its :p |
| 17:20.03 | Chocky | opkg install nano |
| 17:20.08 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * rdff7c9a416ae 10/data/images/button_sms.png: bring back sms button |
| 17:20.14 | Yanroy | no, not nano... |
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| 17:21.09 | Yanroy | slango: yeah, there's 2 browsers. check the getting started wiki page for instructions |
| 17:21.14 | Chocky | 3 :o |
| 17:21.22 | Chocky | Firefox in latest ASU |
| 17:21.33 | Zorkman | firefox refuses to start here |
| 17:21.40 | Chocky | here too, but that wasn't the question ;-) |
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| 17:21.47 | Zorkman | :) |
| 17:21.57 | Chocky | hasn't looked why, although I do happen to know quite a bit about its internals |
| 17:22.12 | Zorkman | actually three browsers, 2007.2 also has one |
| 17:22.24 | Zorkman | oh, you already typed it :) need to read more carfully |
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| 17:24.25 | WorldDomination | ohai |
| 17:24.29 | ronny | the qqtopia image is weird, spws a few pages of kernel errors |
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| 17:24.59 | Zorkman | what do i have to prefer: libfreet.so.0.5.0 or libfreet.so.0 ? |
| 17:25.14 | Yanroy | I seem to have broken all sound on my FR... can someone send me a copy of gsmhandset.state that works? (preferably with decent volume) |
| 17:25.24 | Yanroy | can alsamixer even do that? or should I try a reboot? |
| 17:25.24 | Chocky | opkg -force-depends remove freet |
| 17:26.26 | Zorkman | i still get the same errors Choky |
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| 17:29.18 | thewtex | ronny: did you use the kernel that it comes with |
| 17:29.50 | Yanroy | a reboot got my the tapping sound back, but I still can't hear anyone when I dial out... |
| 17:29.59 | Yanroy | where can I get a fixed file? |
| 17:30.01 | ronny | thewtex: yeah |
| 17:30.16 | ronny | thewtex: once its started it kicks ass tho |
| 17:30.27 | Yanroy | I'm about to leave the house... I'd really prefer to not have to take my old phone :P |
| 17:30.28 | ronny | its nice & fast |
| 17:30.35 | WorldDomination | can anyone recommend me a tiny good usb cam to connect to the openmoko ? |
| 17:31.05 | ronny | gmm |
| 17:31.23 | ronny | the qtopia stuff seems to be generaly like ____years____ more mature |
| 17:32.17 | thewtex | ronny: agreed |
| 17:34.48 | leinir | That's not very strange, since the qtopia code has been worked on a few years more ;) |
| 17:34.55 | Chocky | muh. |
| 17:35.39 | ronny | what exactly is the issue with not just adapting qtopia ? |
| 17:35.54 | Chocky | frowns at EmDebian |
| 17:36.30 | leinir | ronny: How d'ya mean? :) |
| 17:37.11 | ronny | leinir: well, if qtopia is already that good, why create a separate stack ? |
| 17:37.29 | Chocky | I think the history is a lot more complex than that. |
| 17:37.36 | leinir | Indeed :) |
| 17:37.36 | dcordes | ronny: evolution. |
| 17:37.43 | mjr | 'cause it's not, and limited |
| 17:37.43 | leinir | dcordes: Not quite enough :) |
| 17:37.45 | Chocky | there's some verbiage about it on the wiki |
| 17:37.55 | balrog-k1n | ronny: huh? qtopia has been adapted and you can use it |
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| 17:38.03 | dcordes | zhone is the way to go |
| 17:38.04 | leinir | There was a huge thread about the politics behind it as well on the community list :) |
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| 17:39.00 | thewtex | ronny: they are moving to qtopia, but the orig qtopia works on a framebuffer, and they are trying to get it to work on X |
| 17:39.16 | leinir | There's also some licensing fun |
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| 17:39.31 | leinir | With qtopia, it's either GPL or pay the Qties :) |
| 17:39.41 | balrog-k1n | there's also some fun with it not being completely usable which i believe is the main reason |
| 17:39.50 | mjr | thewtex, moving through it rather... |
| 17:40.01 | balrog-k1n | qtopia already works fine on X, they're fixing its shortcommings |
| 17:40.07 | leinir | While i personally like that idea, i can see why a capitalist wouldn't enjoy that concept too much :) |
| 17:40.57 | thewtex | leinir: I can't see why |
| 17:41.27 | leinir | thewtex: If you want to keep your own code closed, you can't base it on the GPLed version, and as such will need to pay :) |
| 17:41.47 | thewtex | leinir: capitalists use the GPL too |
| 17:41.55 | leinir | If you could choose between not paying (LGPL for example) and paying (dual-license) which would you choose? :) |
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| 17:42.14 | Chocky | under communism, man works for man. Under capitalism, the reverse |
| 17:42.27 | leinir | Yes, but as with socialism, there are different types of capitalism :) |
| 17:42.28 | AntonTakk | for backing up contacts/etc if i just backup /home/root that should cover it, right? |
| 17:42.36 | leinir | Chocky: Bah, the c word :P |
| 17:42.51 | thewtex | Chocky: that makes no sense |
| 17:42.56 | leinir | That's the thing, communism is a type of applied socialism |
| 17:42.58 | Chocky | ah, under socialism, the inverse |
| 17:43.02 | ronny | leinir: i dont care for gpl ;P |
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| 17:43.40 | Chocky | I don't mind GPL, but I don't care for GPL weenies. nor freeloading weenies either. |
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| 17:44.15 | Chocky | as far as I care, GPL is a tool. not a way of life ;-) |
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| 17:44.31 | BryceLeo | agrees with chocky |
| 17:45.39 | leinir | ronny: But, the simple version is, openmoko didn't like being tied to the GPL, so they had no choice but to do something new :) |
| 17:45.59 | ronny | hmk |
| 17:46.17 | mjr | the qtopia stack was pretty much freed as a reaction to openmoko, though.. |
| 17:46.38 | lpotter | not really. |
| 17:46.45 | mjr | but anyway, I don't mind its license, it's just that the qtopia is a noninteroperable monolith |
| 17:46.51 | BryceLeo | qtiopia stack is GPL3..... |
| 17:46.59 | lpotter | we had been planning on doing it. |
| 17:47.00 | BryceLeo | or is that just qt4 |
| 17:47.10 | lpotter | thats just qt4 |
| 17:47.11 | ronny | well, it just works and is fast |
| 17:47.28 | BryceLeo | lpotter: what is qtopia stact then? lgpl? |
| 17:47.29 | leinir | ronny: Indeed, which is part of why i use it :) (the other is that i really like Qt ;) ) |
| 17:47.49 | Chocky | moose! |
| 17:47.50 | ronny | i'd prefer if gtk stopped to suck |
| 17:48.00 | ronny | its way more fun to use gtk from python |
| 17:48.11 | leinir | Chocky: you've been watching too much Invader Zim... well, if that were possible anyway ;) |
| 17:48.21 | Chocky | sadly, I don't know what that is |
| 17:48.23 | mjr | a moose once bit my sister |
| 17:48.23 | leinir | ronny: How do you mean? |
| 17:48.44 | leinir | Chocky: You must go out and find Invader Zim - it's a pre-spongebob nikelodeon series :) |
| 17:48.45 | Chocky | clearly not cultered |
| 17:48.46 | lpotter | qtopia is gpl |
| 17:48.48 | WorldDomination | how accurate is openmoko's gps ? |
| 17:48.51 | mjr | she was trying to carve her initials on it with a sharpened end of a toothbrush |
| 17:48.54 | Chocky | is more Ren and Stimpy |
| 17:48.55 | ronny | leinir: gtk is way better bindable to any dynamic language |
| 17:49.13 | leinir | ronny: Because it's pure C and thus doesn't have a proper hierachial layout? |
| 17:49.33 | AntonTakk | WorldDomination: i dend to see accuracy within 60 ft or so |
| 17:49.37 | AntonTakk | tend* |
| 17:49.40 | Chocky | uh oh, language war! |
| 17:49.45 | ronny | leinir: it has a propper hierachial layout, but you can do polimorphic inheritance with it easyly :) |
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| 17:49.49 | WorldDomination | ok that's realistic |
| 17:50.09 | leinir | Chocky: Nah, just requesting infos :) |
| 17:50.15 | ronny | leinir: subclassing a polimorphic class from c++ in python is basically impossible |
| 17:50.20 | WorldDomination | AntonTakk: I want to use a very lightweight but high quality (high resolution) camera with the openmoko - would you have any recommendations ? |
| 17:50.35 | Chocky | ronny: obscure language statement of the week. |
| 17:50.36 | AntonTakk | unfortunately, no |
| 17:50.43 | WorldDomination | hm |
| 17:50.47 | ronny | hmk |
| 17:50.52 | BryceLeo | WorldDomination: go to someplace like geeks.com and look through the webcams |
| 17:50.59 | WorldDomination | thanks bryce |
| 17:51.17 | Chocky | just don't go to geeks.com in person today. Unless you want to wait in line for 30 mins. |
| 17:51.29 | AntonTakk | WorldDomination: main thing to look for would be compatability with linux and it's software apps/libs for digital cams |
| 17:51.32 | mjr | WorldDomination, you mean a webcam? Be aware that many (most?) don't dish out at least high-quality images over usb 1.1, just 2.0 |
| 17:51.32 | BryceLeo | Chocky: geeks.com has a retail store? |
| 17:51.37 | ronny | bascially one can propperly subclass polyimorphic gtk types in dynamic languages while one can't subclass polymorphic c++ types in dynamic languages |
| 17:51.40 | Chocky | well, warehouse. |
| 17:51.43 | Chocky | it's in Oceanside, CA |
| 17:51.47 | WorldDomination | mjr openmoko got 2.0 ? |
| 17:51.51 | Chocky | hence the wait. |
| 17:51.55 | WorldDomination | hm |
| 17:52.00 | BryceLeo | Chocky: you can actually go there and get stuff? wow, that's pretty cool |
| 17:52.01 | Chocky | with small store front. |
| 17:52.03 | bricode | WorldDomination: Only 1.1. |
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| 17:52.09 | WorldDomination | ok... |
| 17:52.15 | WorldDomination | bluetooth maybe... |
| 17:52.25 | mjr | WorldDomination, if it did, you wouldn't have to be aware of it, now would you |
| 17:52.48 | mjr | I doubt there are bt webcams, and it'd be slow anyway |
| 17:52.51 | WorldDomination | mjr - well you could have told me that to watch out for the cams to be usb 2.0 |
| 17:53.19 | mjr | WorldDomination, I could have, but it wouldn't have been informative. |
| 17:53.39 | WorldDomination | it is, if you dont trust the market. |
| 17:53.46 | BryceLeo | mjr i'm confused... 2.0 is backward compatible |
| 17:53.47 | WorldDomination | whatever :) |
| 17:53.51 | Chocky | mostly. |
| 17:53.53 | McKael | Does somebody know which package the pty Python module belongs to? |
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| 17:54.08 | mjr | WorldDomination, you haven't understood what has been said, hth |
| 17:54.29 | ronny | hmm |
| 17:54.47 | mjr | BryceLeo, yeah just that the cameras tend to want the computer to be able to read the raw data pretty quickly off of them, not needing to buffer it |
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| 17:55.23 | BryceLeo | mjr: hmm.... i've never actually experienced this phenomona but i can understand why it would happen |
| 17:55.30 | thewtex | how do i exit a 'mtest start' in uboot |
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| 17:55.50 | ronny | leinir: how good is powermanagement in the qtopia images atm ? |
| 17:57.04 | AntonTakk | oh, well, fantastic! i'm a moron |
| 17:57.19 | AntonTakk | just flashed a kernel to the rootfs partition :) |
| 17:57.29 | ronny | hmm |
| 17:57.39 | Chocky | AntonTakk: sweet |
| 17:58.12 | AntonTakk | fixes |
| 17:58.19 | ronny | my current view on openmoko is basically 4 years of time for messing it all up :/ |
| 17:58.47 | AntonTakk | ronny: explain? |
| 17:59.50 | mbuf | when extracting rootfs.tar.gz on device, I get tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors, why? |
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| 18:00.37 | Chocky | because there was an error you're not sharing with us |
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| 18:00.39 | ronny | AntonTakk: well, since the hardware is more usable with 3rd party software, what else should i think |
| 18:00.51 | AntonTakk | any of you use qtopia? does it do gsm/gprs connections concurrently? |
| 18:01.14 | Chocky | such as the SD being full. but please give us more details instead of having us guess. |
| 18:01.18 | AntonTakk | ronny: that the hardware was ready before the software |
| 18:01.55 | WorldDomination | mjr: it is informative to know that USB 2.0 does not support a transfer rate high enough for high resolution cam units. It is thus informative, for someone who doesnt know. I didn't know. That's why it was informative. |
| 18:01.55 | AntonTakk | ronny: JUST LIKE IT SAYS ON THE WIKI :) |
| 18:01.58 | WorldDomination | enough said. |
| 18:02.17 | gmaxwell | Can anyone point me to where the qtopia (not asu) daily builds are being posted? |
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| 18:02.37 | Chocky | gmaxwell: there may not be such a thing. |
| 18:02.43 | Chocky | IIRc, there's some moose about that. |
| 18:02.44 | mbuf | gmaxwell, this is what I am trying: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner#Unpacking_the_Qtopia_Root_Filesystem_Image |
| 18:02.45 | mjr | WorldDomination, that's not what I said and is untrue, which illustrates nicely my previous statement. 'nuff indeed. |
| 18:02.51 | gmaxwell | Chocky, hmph. Someone was telling me there was.... |
| 18:02.52 | AntonTakk | gmaxwell: i didn't know there were qtopia dailys, but go to qtopia.net if you want latest stable :) |
| 18:03.06 | ronny | AntonTakk: still, there was 4 years of time to get the software done |
| 18:03.27 | Chocky | waiting for qtopia.net to do stuff isn't ideal for OpenMoko development either :o |
| 18:03.35 | AntonTakk | ronny: true, and for a lot of people it is usable as a daily phone |
| 18:03.45 | AntonTakk | it's just not quite complete |
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| 18:04.38 | Chocky | ronny: software development over such a long period is always complete, convoluted and full of bad decisions. legal things change, company attitudes change, hardware suppliers change, targets change. |
| 18:04.43 | gmaxwell | I'm using mine as a daily phone. FWIW. Though I hit an annoying glitch with qtopia the other day: if I bring up the keypad while on a call the last two rows of buttons are off the bottom of the screen, so I couldn't send a dtmf 7, for example. :) |
| 18:04.45 | Chocky | s/complete/complex |
| 18:05.16 | lpotter | odd. i havent seen that at all |
| 18:05.24 | AntonTakk | gmaxwell: how well does gprs work in qtopia? |
| 18:05.47 | gmaxwell | AntonTakk, dunno. Haven't used it.. just using it as a phone. |
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| 18:05.54 | AntonTakk | ah |
| 18:06.00 | ronny | hmm, well gona test asu now |
| 18:06.09 | AntonTakk | has unlimited data plan and would like to make use of it :) |
| 18:06.35 | AntonTakk | ronny: asu is what I have been using as my every day phone, the daily from 7/15 works rather well for me |
| 18:07.35 | gmaxwell | hm. perhaps I'll give ASU a shot. |
| 18:07.38 | WorldDomination | what parts/aspects of the openmoko seem to be particularly reliable/stable ? |
| 18:07.44 | gmaxwell | AntonTakk, where are the ASU builds? |
| 18:08.08 | AntonTakk | gmaxwell: same place as the 2007.2 dailys |
| 18:08.21 | AntonTakk | buildhost.openmoko.org? |
| 18:08.23 | thewtex | starts using neocon, and thank mmontour for the hint |
| 18:08.28 | AntonTakk | i don't remember off the top of my head |
| 18:08.46 | ronny | AntonTakk: they dont seem to be in the dayly builds :/ |
| 18:09.57 | AntonTakk | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080715/ |
| 18:09.58 | ronny | ah, they are outdated |
| 18:10.05 | AntonTakk | 2007.2 and asu in there |
| 18:10.12 | ronny | latest i found is http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/ |
| 18:10.31 | ronny | they use the same kernel as the 2007.2 ? |
| 18:10.34 | AntonTakk | (OH NO! four days old!!!) |
| 18:10.40 | AntonTakk | ronny: yeah |
| 18:11.07 | ronny | AntonTakk: this is soo old, its basically made on my granny's days ;P |
| 18:11.20 | Chocky | humpf. EmDebian seems not to be armel |
| 18:13.26 | mbuf | Chocky, http://pastebin.ca/1083624 |
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| 18:14.05 | Chocky | like I said, there's an error earlier. |
| 18:14.10 | Chocky | edistar: ./opt/Qtopia/pics/phone/icons/outgoingcall.pic: Cannot write: Input/output error |
| 18:14.22 | Chocky | -edistar |
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| 18:20.23 | Chocky | well, I could try the ARM fs I just built :o |
| 18:21.22 | gmaxwell | weeee... latest qtopia image seems to be scrolling constant panics.. joy |
| 18:21.29 | Chocky | sweet |
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| 18:24.33 | Centaur5 | Is there no terminal app for ASU? I tried installing python-terminal hoping that would be one but not seeing it. |
| 18:25.11 | Chocky | xterm |
| 18:25.55 | Centaur5 | Hmm...that's not in my package list. Does it require an extra repository? |
| 18:26.02 | Chocky | might |
| 18:26.15 | Chocky | there was a post about updated ASU repository stuff |
| 18:26.24 | Chocky | I don't know if it's been wikied |
| 18:26.59 | gmaxwell | anyone know how to add files to the qtopia media player playlist? |
| 18:27.18 | lpotter | gmaxwell: add them to the sd card or ~/Documents |
| 18:27.22 | Chocky | qmax: heh, no :-( |
| 18:27.32 | Chocky | I think it makes some path assumptions |
| 18:27.33 | Centaur5 | okay, maybe you would have some info on how I can set a X11 forwarding session to DISPLAY:0. There is no /etc/ssh folder or bashrc file in home so I'm not sure where to set that variable? |
| 18:27.53 | gmaxwell | lpotter, I have a bunch of ogg/vorbis files on the root dir of my SD but they aren't showing up. |
| 18:27.53 | Chocky | Centaur5: USB networking page on wiki. updated yesterday |
| 18:27.59 | donomo | the opkgs get updated every few days. is there someone who writes blog posts about whats new with the openmoko software? |
| 18:28.11 | Chocky | donomo: wiki :o |
| 18:28.12 | lpotter | gmaxwell: you may have to click on the devtools->rescan documents |
| 18:28.36 | Chocky | donomo: it's all a bit fragmented, so it's a bit hard for anyone to keep up. I'm trying however |
| 18:28.52 | donomo | Chocky: cool. is there a good starting point in the wiki? |
| 18:29.01 | Chocky | getting started guide ;-) |
| 18:29.06 | Chocky | and also the recent changes on the wiki |
| 18:29.12 | donomo | Chocky: :) im looking at recent changes |
| 18:29.16 | Centaur5 | Chocky: That's beautiful, thanks for that info. |
| 18:29.31 | donomo | Chocky: nothing seems obvious as to whats changed in the new kernel thats installing in my freerunner right now :) |
| 18:29.37 | Chocky | donomo: aye |
| 18:29.48 | gmaxwell | lpotter, no joy. Alas. In the prior image I was able to find the files but it wouldn't play them |
| 18:30.05 | gmaxwell | (the media player for the gtk software worked fine) |
| 18:30.19 | donomo | is there a fix for: Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 But that file is already provided by package * libncurses5 |
| 18:30.35 | Chocky | opkg -force-depends remove ncurses |
| 18:30.57 | donomo | cool thx |
| 18:31.01 | AntonTakk | can calendar options in qtopia be made to display on the home screen? |
| 18:31.04 | AntonTakk | er |
| 18:31.08 | AntonTakk | calendar items |
| 18:31.13 | gmaxwell | ah .. never mind.. it's not mounting my sd card! |
| 18:32.09 | lpotter | AntonTakk: yes and no. depending on the theme. I will look into including the 'smart theme' |
| 18:32.22 | lpotter | or parts of it |
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| 18:32.55 | AntonTakk | thanks, in the mean time, can i get this "smart theme" somewhere and try it out? |
| 18:33.11 | gmaxwell | mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command |
| 18:33.11 | gmaxwell | end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 |
| 18:33.11 | gmaxwell | Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0 |
| 18:33.47 | Chocky | gmaxwell: someone's confused or bust. |
| 18:33.49 | Chocky | perhaps a reboot |
| 18:33.56 | Chocky | it's possible your SD card is toast |
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| 18:35.35 | malik1972 | lpotter: a real homescreen with calendar/todo/etc would be very nice |
| 18:35.36 | gmaxwell | Chocky, Rebooted it.. it worked this time. Odd. |
| 18:35.41 | Chocky | yeh |
| 18:35.51 | Chocky | something about resume and SD cards recently on the list. |
| 18:36.12 | malik1972 | lpotter: can you display the content of an incoming sms on the screen?;-) |
| 18:36.48 | lpotter | I am sure its possible, but you would need to edit the theme, and currently this is a manual thing. |
| 18:37.15 | malik1972 | lpotter: why the software application doesnt see the screenshot ipkg, something broken? |
| 18:37.36 | lpotter | hmm probably. I fixed it but havent yet updated the feed. |
| 18:37.41 | malik1972 | lpotter: thanx for the mods on qalsamixer, this is cool |
| 18:38.01 | lpotter | that was by the htc-linux guys :) |
| 18:38.08 | gmaxwell | cool. The ogg/vorbis files are playing now. ;) |
| 18:38.17 | lpotter | different mixer. same name |
| 18:38.33 | malik1972 | lpotter: does qtopia run on the htcs |
| 18:38.39 | lpotter | yes |
| 18:38.49 | malik1972 | didnt know that |
| 18:39.09 | lpotter | they also did the terminal |
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| 18:39.25 | malik1972 | yes, but i need fixed fonts |
| 18:39.47 | malik1972 | otherwise i am a little bit lost |
| 18:40.21 | lpotter | ya. the fixed font from qtopia 2 work, but they are tiny |
| 18:40.22 | malik1972 | i also recognized some missbehaviour with the terminal and the keyboard |
| 18:40.37 | lpotter | yes. known issue |
| 18:41.11 | malik1972 | if i try to quit "unregularly", the keyboard is sometime sin the middle |
| 18:41.25 | malik1972 | and then at the top ... |
| 18:43.42 | ronny | how the heck do i enter my pin on asu |
| 18:44.14 | ecraven | evening :) |
| 18:44.45 | Chocky | morning |
| 18:44.45 | ronny | this aint fun |
| 18:44.45 | ecraven | how can i change the setting for font size globally? |
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| 18:45.02 | ronny | giving me a insert boy but no text-input-method is BAD |
| 18:45.12 | ronny | AntonTakk: give me a hint! |
| 18:45.13 | Chocky | ok, daily uboot seems ok booting my Debian setup |
| 18:45.28 | AntonTakk | ronny: i don't use a pin |
| 18:45.48 | Chocky | waves the updated USB networking page at ecraven |
| 18:46.36 | ronny | nice -_- |
| 18:46.53 | Chocky | dammit. my desktop USB gets confused by FR sometimes |
| 18:47.14 | Chocky | perhaps I need 2.6.26! |
| 18:47.30 | ronny | so for me asu is even more useless compared to the initial firmware |
| 18:49.23 | Centaur5 | ronny: I updated to ASU yesterday and fixed the keyboard by following this http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td580493 |
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| 18:49.50 | Centaur5 | ronny: Now that I just got contacts imported thanks to the new USB networking section I'm good to go. |
| 18:50.50 | Chocky | :o |
| 18:51.27 | Centaur5 | Thanks Chocky |
| 18:51.32 | Chocky | \o/ |
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| 18:51.54 | mmaestri | hi |
| 18:52.15 | ecraven | hm.. anyone noticed problems with the SD card lately? mine seems to have stopped working?!? |
| 18:53.19 | mmaestri | ecraven: have you used it to boot from there? |
| 18:53.29 | ecraven | yes |
| 18:53.50 | ecraven | now i get "unknown partition table" |
| 18:54.01 | AntonTakk | ...guess what you nned to do |
| 18:54.05 | AntonTakk | need* |
| 18:54.12 | mmaestri | well...flash devices don't get along with extensive use of filesystems |
| 18:54.35 | AntonTakk | ecraven: repartition the sd card :) |
| 18:54.44 | ecraven | wtf, i booted from it three times? |
| 18:54.45 | mmaestri | what fs type did you used? |
| 18:54.49 | ecraven | fat and ext3 |
| 18:54.57 | gmaxwell | ecraven, I think there is some borked interaction with resume and the SD card.. mine was doing that and rebooting it fixedit |
| 18:54.59 | ecraven | that's not extensive, is it? |
| 18:55.01 | mmaestri | you better use ext2 |
| 18:55.05 | mmontour | ecraven: check the mailing lists - may be a suspend/resume issue or possibly related to the "drive strength" change to reduce GPS interference |
| 18:55.10 | mmaestri | not, it isn't... |
| 18:55.10 | ecraven | can't, then booting won't work |
| 18:56.21 | mmaestri | perhaps it just got corrupted because of some misuse. fdisk it again and retry |
| 18:56.57 | ecraven | hm.. seems my fat partition still works after repartitioning, but my ext3 partition is gone :( not good |
| 18:57.25 | mmaestri | journaling fs are no good to flash devices... |
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| 18:57.46 | AntonTakk | any of you using the recent 2007.2 dailies? |
| 18:57.51 | ecraven | then someone should fix uboot to make it boot from ext2! |
| 18:57.57 | ecraven | AntonTakk: sometimes i am |
| 18:58.10 | Tm_T | ecraven: isn't it fixed? |
| 18:58.19 | ecraven | Tm_T: no idea, last time i tried, i could only get it to work with ext3 |
| 18:58.21 | ecraven | not ext2 |
| 18:58.35 | Tm_T | eh, that's nuts |
| 18:58.35 | mmaestri | no, you should boot from vfat |
| 18:58.46 | Tm_T | AntonTakk: I do |
| 18:58.50 | mmaestri | and the second partition could be ext2 now |
| 18:58.58 | ecraven | the kernel is on vfat, but the rootfs is ext3 |
| 18:58.59 | mmaestri | I'm using 2007.2 |
| 18:59.03 | ecraven | i tried a week ago, ext2 didn't work |
| 18:59.05 | mmaestri | correct |
| 18:59.25 | Tm_T | ecraven: week ago... perhaps it's fixed now? |
| 18:59.27 | mmaestri | yesterday i've just installed the qtopia image on my sd card |
| 18:59.29 | AntonTakk | tm_t, it displays upcoming calendar entries on the home screen, right? |
| 18:59.31 | mmaestri | using ext2 |
| 18:59.44 | ecraven | mmaestri: thanks, then i'll try again |
| 18:59.48 | Tm_T | AntonTakk: I don't have calendar entries, so I cannot say |
| 18:59.55 | Tm_T | AntonTakk: but should |
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| 19:02.29 | mmaestri | anyone have heard/seen something about pyneo? |
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| 19:04.09 | ecraven | hm.. this "kill the sd card" problem is rather serious.. |
| 19:04.13 | peepsalot | what's currently the most functional media player, for playing audio? |
| 19:04.40 | AntonTakk | ime, asu/qtopia |
| 19:05.14 | peepsalot | i tried openmoko-mediaplayer2, but it just has unlableled blank gray squares for buttons, none of which seem to play. |
| 19:05.41 | AntonTakk | next to last played for me, once a song was chosen |
| 19:06.02 | mmaestri | ecraven: check this |
| 19:06.04 | mmaestri | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Preparing_the_SD_Card |
| 19:06.16 | mmaestri | Note: Since 2008-07-17 the kernel includes support for ext3 and ext2 filesystems. ext2 is recommended because of the finite write life of flash storage. Prior to 2008-07-17, the kernel only came configured with support for ext3. You can check the available filesystems with less /proc/filesystems |
| 19:06.57 | peepsalot | AntonTakk, is your sound completely distorted and full of pops and crackles? |
| 19:07.38 | ecraven | mmaestri: thanks |
| 19:07.40 | AntonTakk | peepsalot: it was with openmoko-mediaplayer2 on asu, was better on 2007.2 as i remember |
| 19:08.07 | peepsalot | hmm, i'm on 2007.2, even the screen taps make this glitchy sound |
| 19:08.14 | mmontour | mmaestri: ext3 should be OK as long as the card performs wear-levelling. I've had an ext3 rootfs on SD since last December with no problems. |
| 19:08.25 | peepsalot | i hope this sound thing is not a hardware issue |
| 19:08.57 | AntonTakk | peepsalot: that's intentional. edic /etc/pulse....er pulse.something and comment it out at the bottom, startup sound is right there too |
| 19:08.58 | mbuf | Chocky, extracted qtopia-4.3.2-rootfs on FR, and it booted fine from SD; problem was extracting on microSD using USB 4-in-1 card-reader |
| 19:09.03 | mbuf | later |
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| 19:09.52 | peepsalot | AntonTakk, no, i know it is supposed to make a tap sound, but sometimes the tap sound makes a separate popping noise that is obviously not normal. (not all taps sound the same) |
| 19:10.13 | AntonTakk | oh, that, the same popping as when playing music |
| 19:10.18 | peepsalot | right |
| 19:10.23 | AntonTakk | i don't think that's hardware |
| 19:10.35 | AntonTakk | since it doesn't happen to me on asu |
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| 19:11.01 | peepsalot | oh i thought you said it was better on 2007.2 |
| 19:11.06 | AntonTakk | no |
| 19:11.15 | AntonTakk | openmoko-mediaplayer2 was |
| 19:11.49 | spydon | Does everybody get all those Error 0 when doing "opkg update"? |
| 19:14.49 | peepsalot | is the core team officially still developing 2007.2, or is effort on ASU, FSO, or they are just working on 3 distros at once |
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| 19:20.42 | BryceLe1 | gah damn wifi |
| 19:21.11 | AntonTakk | peepsalot: asu and fso, as i understand it |
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| 19:21.40 | peepsalot | i guess the problem is realted to this: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1193 |
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| 19:23.17 | peepsalot | pulseaudio uses about 24% cpu for me on freerunner. mediaplayer another 25%. so thre is still about 50% unused. i don't really know much about this audio stuff though. |
| 19:23.37 | peepsalot | is there a sound buffer that could be increased to combat this? |
| 19:24.18 | peepsalot | the reporter of that bug had a neo1973, but the problem(assuming it's the same issue he's reporting) is still there on freerunner |
| 19:27.15 | jancona | Hi, I'm trying to set up QEMU networking. Anyone here who might be able to help me? |
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| 19:35.11 | malik1972 | whats the name of the default games package in 2007.2? |
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| 19:37.21 | spydon | does everybody get error like " * Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz, error 0" when doing opkg update? :S |
| 19:37.26 | Chocky | yes. |
| 19:37.29 | Chocky | oh, wait |
| 19:37.32 | Chocky | that;s a networking error |
| 19:37.53 | leinir | You've likely forgot to actually enable the forwarding :) |
| 19:38.00 | Chocky | or DNS :p |
| 19:38.02 | spydon | hmm but I can ping google from the fr :P |
| 19:38.07 | leinir | Or that :) |
| 19:38.12 | Chocky | or fish |
| 19:38.39 | Chocky | right, time to change desktop kernel |
| 19:38.42 | Chocky | don't wait up for me :p |
| 19:38.54 | leinir | Hehe, have fun! ;) |
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| 19:39.27 | spydon | should I be able to ping google even if the forwarding or DNS were wrong/disabled? :S |
| 19:39.52 | leinir | Well, if you're getting a network error on that, it's likely just a temporary glitch :) |
| 19:39.54 | torero | so there is no dropbear on trolltechs image? |
| 19:39.58 | Chocky | spydon: possibly. |
| 19:40.06 | kd8ikt | ah cool found out about hacking the lock screen |
| 19:40.08 | Chocky | if you've done something really odd |
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| 19:40.15 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Display_Locker |
| 19:40.23 | leinir | it works here, so it's definitely something screwy with your connection :) |
| 19:40.45 | spydon | hmm weird :P |
| 19:41.00 | ronny | hmk, asu just sucks even more |
| 19:41.04 | leinir | torero: Yes, there is, i just flashed earlier today, have it installed, and i didn't do it manually :) |
| 19:41.05 | Chocky | networking page :p |
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| 19:41.39 | spydon | Chocky, ive done everything there :P |
| 19:41.41 | torero | leinir: hmm weird i cant connect,,, |
| 19:41.57 | torero | leinir: did you do anything special to coonect? |
| 19:41.58 | jopk | hi |
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| 19:42.44 | jopk | can I run commands on the freerunner with putty under windows? |
| 19:42.44 | linuxxr | i found a sim that worked |
| 19:42.55 | Chocky | jopk: of course. |
| 19:43.01 | leinir | torero: Nope, but then my distro kinda does a lot of this setting up automatically :) i just has to tell it the IP to use, then enable the device (you'd likely do that through some GUI tool or ifconfig, and then ifup usb0) |
| 19:43.04 | linuxxr | 71234g 3022 |
| 19:43.22 | Chocky | leinir: \o/ for hotplug |
| 19:43.36 | jopk | I got a connection, but all commands I tried ->command not found (e.g. date, opkg). why? |
| 19:43.38 | leinir | jopk: Yes, as putty does ssh very nicely :) |
| 19:43.48 | leinir | That i do't know |
| 19:43.58 | Chocky | leinir: no, cos it's still Windows :o |
| 19:44.00 | leinir | s/do't/don't/ |
| 19:44.18 | Chocky | perhaps you blew away $PATH |
| 19:44.19 | jopk | what to do? |
| 19:44.22 | leinir | Chocky: Abolutely \o/ ;) |
| 19:44.26 | Chocky | try /bin/ls |
| 19:44.33 | linuxxr | download a slax cd |
| 19:44.47 | Chocky | not using dirty slax. |
| 19:45.11 | jopk | ls works, but not /bin/ls |
| 19:45.14 | leinir | or ark, or kubuntu, or (insert name of preferred distro here) ;) |
| 19:45.22 | Chocky | ls is a bash builtin |
| 19:45.36 | Chocky | but you don't say how it "doesn't work" |
| 19:45.51 | jopk | I have kubuntu live cd, but every time I reboot I need to reconigure the connection... |
| 19:45.56 | Chocky | ... |
| 19:46.06 | spydon | jopk, install it ;) |
| 19:46.13 | jopk | all I get when typing commands is command x not found. |
| 19:46.14 | Chocky | install it, read the USB networking page. |
| 19:46.58 | jopk | I going to install gentoo in a month or so, after I upgraded XP to Vista, but at the moment it's importent that I have a running windows :) |
| 19:47.05 | Chocky | ricer. |
| 19:47.14 | spydon | downgrade you mean... :P |
| 19:47.25 | jopk | ^^ |
| 19:47.32 | Chocky | Debian or Ubuntu if you know what's good for you. |
| 19:47.42 | leinir | or arklinux or archlinux |
| 19:47.48 | leinir | depending on what you want from a distribution |
| 19:47.48 | Chocky | pfft. |
| 19:47.56 | spydon | jopk, which IP did you ssh too? |
| 19:48.01 | Chocky | Debian can be pretty much anything. Except tiny. |
| 19:48.03 | spydon | distrofight! |
| 19:48.08 | leinir | The only thing gentoo gives you is a lot of time looking at scrolling text ;) |
| 19:48.09 | Yanroy | fedora rules |
| 19:48.19 | Chocky | fedora is inflexible and over complex. |
| 19:48.27 | linuxxr | yes |
| 19:48.31 | thewtex | gentoo gives you freedom and control |
| 19:48.32 | jopk | spydon, 192.168.0.202 |
| 19:48.32 | Yanroy | but it Just Works |
| 19:48.36 | linuxxr | slax is simple |
| 19:48.40 | bumbl | yet another distro flamewar |
| 19:48.44 | Yanroy | hehe |
| 19:48.47 | Chocky | doesn't _want_ the freedom and control gentoo gives me. |
| 19:48.47 | spydon | ^^ |
| 19:48.54 | linuxxr | slackware IS |
| 19:48.55 | Chocky | I have better things to do with my freedom |
| 19:49.00 | bumbl | btw. gentoo is the way to go |
| 19:49.06 | Chocky | ricers! |
| 19:49.22 | torero | ubuntu is much better :P |
| 19:49.24 | bumbl | Chocky: how often do you write that a day? |
| 19:49.25 | linuxxr | wat no windows fanboys here |
| 19:49.29 | jopk | I have great holidays, so i'll try gentoo. If it doesn't work I choose e.g. fedora, or s.th. else |
| 19:49.41 | Chocky | the reality is however, the Debian and Ubuntu are going to have the best support from people who really know what they are doing. |
| 19:49.45 | Chocky | bumbl: 4-5 |
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| 19:49.52 | linuxxr | when u get done try slackware |
| 19:49.52 | torero | s iis ASU any better than the official trolltech image? |
| 19:49.53 | thewtex | Chocky: haha |
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| 19:50.07 | bumbl | I hope we agree windows and mac os suck most of the time |
| 19:50.11 | jopk | so no ideas how to get this command working under xp? |
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| 19:50.17 | jopk | bumbl, yeah |
| 19:50.19 | Yanroy | at least mac OS has a bash shell |
| 19:50.22 | spydon | bumbl, indeed and tell jopk that ^^ |
| 19:50.30 | Chocky | Yanroy: so dows Windows under cygwin :o |
| 19:50.34 | Yanroy | Chocky: that's a hack |
| 19:50.40 | Yanroy | Chocky: I should know... I use it 8 hours a day |
| 19:50.51 | bumbl | Yanroy: mac still does not have a dns patch |
| 19:51.00 | Chocky | yessir, but very useful. and no more a hack than Windows itself |
| 19:51.06 | Chocky | plenty of hacks in Linux |
| 19:51.08 | bumbl | although there are already exploits around |
| 19:52.00 | ogai_ | firt boot with openmoko. how can i check the battery status? I want to know when the battery is full. |
| 19:52.15 | Yanroy | ogai_: there's a little green bar in the top righ tcorner |
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| 19:53.12 | Chocky | just finished spanking people in OpenArea :o |
| 19:53.17 | Chocky | open version of Q3 |
| 19:53.21 | Chocky | OpenArena |
| 19:53.26 | bumbl | Chocky: debian might be nice but I don't like the syntax of apt and dpkg (my opinion; i am writing this from a sidux box) |
| 19:53.27 | jopk | the sms tool doesn't work with the shipped image. does an opkg update/upgrade fix this? |
| 19:53.52 | Yanroy | jopk: it worked for me... |
| 19:53.58 | Chocky | bumbl: dselect, aptitude, various GUI installers. |
| 19:54.08 | jopk | Chocky, Sauerbraten rules |
| 19:54.10 | Yanroy | jopk: but an upgrade to a daily is something I would recommend anyways, from my limited experience (only had the phone 2 days) |
| 19:54.28 | Yanroy | Chocky: ppl who use guis are lusers |
| 19:54.28 | ogai_ | Yanroy, the icon shows a battery with a white lightning on a black background, no status. Or does it mean full? |
| 19:54.39 | Chocky | is a luser |
| 19:54.45 | jopk | Yanroy, but no chance with damn XP |
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| 19:54.53 | bumbl | Chocky: I hate guis for packet management |
| 19:54.54 | Yanroy | ogai_: that means charging. to see the status, I think you have to unplug the charging cable. either that or read something from sysfs by hand (dunno how) |
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| 19:54.55 | peepsalot | ogai_, i think that means it's charging |
| 19:55.08 | peepsalot | i'm slow |
| 19:55.14 | thewtex | sidux is nice, debian is nice, ubuntu is a mess that breaks every 6 months -- people use the ubuntu made the OM build environment which is why it is such a complicated, awkward, broken mess |
| 19:55.19 | Chocky | peepslowlot |
| 19:55.35 | Yanroy | agrees with thewtex |
| 19:55.50 | Chocky | original OE stuff was made by Debian people before Ubuntu existed |
| 19:56.15 | Yanroy | so, I was playing with alsamixer earlier and now I can't hear any sound when I call someone. dunno if they can hear me... I've been testing with google 411 :P |
| 19:56.27 | Yanroy | any thoughts on how I can fix it and/or can someone send me a gsmhandset.state that works? |
| 19:56.54 | Yanroy | Chocky: ubuntu is descended from debian, right? |
| 19:57.00 | Chocky | yessir |
| 19:57.15 | Chocky | Better dressed offspring. |
| 19:57.19 | Yanroy | eh |
| 19:57.25 | Chocky | but less flexible |
| 19:57.25 | peepsalot | is it possible to change the audio buffer size? |
| 19:57.25 | ogai_ | peepsalot, Yanroy thx. |
| 19:57.29 | Yanroy | of all the distros I've used, ubuntu is the one I hate the most |
| 19:57.45 | peepsalot | uses Ubuntu |
| 19:57.48 | Yanroy | nothing works out of the box on either my laptop or desktop |
| 19:58.02 | kd8ikt | freedoom |
| 19:58.05 | Chocky | nothing does on Debian either, that's cos you usually have few things by default ;-) |
| 19:58.18 | Chocky | but that's simply a matter of install, not config |
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| 19:59.28 | ogai_ | how to get a proper keyboard layout on the console, and not the numeric one with letters under the numbers? |
| 19:59.39 | Chocky | ogai_: getting started guide |
| 19:59.42 | Yanroy | so, gsmhandset.state, anyone? I'm sorry to sound like a broken record, but this is kinda an important problem for me... |
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| 20:00.42 | Yanroy | has anyone successfully used the FR as a speakerphone? |
| 20:02.59 | ronny | hmm, back to the orginal ui |
| 20:03.21 | Yanroy | ronny: hehe... I went through that yesterday |
| 20:03.54 | ronny | Yanroy: qtopia cant do gps atm |
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| 20:04.07 | ronny | and qtopia is the most mature thing one can put in the moko |
| 20:04.10 | Yanroy | ronny: I switched because I couldn't get a keyboard |
| 20:04.21 | Yanroy | I was using ASU |
| 20:04.25 | mmaestri | Yanroy: if speakerphone means phone, me |
| 20:04.29 | ronny | asu is fail |
| 20:04.50 | Yanroy | mmaestri: I mean the kind of phone where you leave it on the table and talk instead of holding it up to your ear |
| 20:05.09 | mmaestri | oh, that. didn't tried yet |
| 20:05.16 | Yanroy | ronny: yep... and it seems to me (just from the UI, I havne't looked at the code) that it's mostly bad code that's the problem, not incomplete features |
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| 20:05.45 | Yanroy | mmaestri: would you be able to send me some functional settings for alsamixer? I can't get any audio from phone calls anymore after playing with the settings |
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| 20:05.53 | kd8ikt | senses massive feedback/echo's with speakerphone |
| 20:06.19 | kd8ikt | damnit i can hear myself talking! turn that shit off! |
| 20:06.21 | Yanroy | kd8ikt: most speakerphones include either echo cancellation (expensive ones) or they don't allow you to talk when the other person is talkling (they just turn off the mic) |
| 20:07.31 | kd8ikt | whole thing that makes a phone good is its full duplex |
| 20:07.48 | Yanroy | only if you're arguing with someone |
| 20:07.48 | kd8ikt | you can talk and listen at the same time |
| 20:08.03 | WorldDomination | i need the openmoko to stably provide: GPS, CAM over USB, stable Internet connection, enough power to compress images coming from the cpu cam. there is absolutely NO failure-tolerance, NONE of these services (GPS, CAM) should ever fail |
| 20:08.04 | Chocky | no you can't! |
| 20:08.08 | mmaestri | Yanroy: let me find it |
| 20:08.09 | Chocky | yes you can! |
| 20:08.10 | WorldDomination | is it usable for this right now ? |
| 20:08.20 | WorldDomination | and ifnot, is there any thing more usable or mature at this moment ? |
| 20:08.21 | Yanroy | WorldDomination: nope |
| 20:08.27 | Yanroy | mmaestri: thank you very much |
| 20:08.27 | WorldDomination | shit. |
| 20:08.29 | Chocky | WorldDomination: want a pony too? ;;-) |
| 20:08.30 | kd8ikt | that'd be great if more people utilized full duplex |
| 20:08.52 | Yanroy | WorldDomination: give it time... huge strides are being made every day. a few months from now, I bet it can do what you want |
| 20:09.04 | WorldDomination | fuck. I need a device like that, and it should be lightweight |
| 20:09.15 | Chocky | so demanding :-( |
| 20:09.19 | linuxxr | its pretty light |
| 20:09.22 | Yanroy | I wouldn't accuse the FR of being lightweight... |
| 20:09.27 | Yanroy | it's like twice the weight of an iphone |
| 20:09.33 | Chocky | shush! |
| 20:09.35 | WorldDomination | i will have to buy either a nokia n810 with linux on it then, or buy an eee pc, but that one is too heavy |
| 20:09.36 | Chocky | no iphone |
| 20:09.44 | WorldDomination | well |
| 20:09.49 | WorldDomination | but still lighter than 500g |
| 20:09.55 | Yanroy | certainly |
| 20:09.55 | linuxxr | u need an iphone |
| 20:10.10 | WorldDomination | linuxxr: show mebackground processes on iphone and I will use it |
| 20:10.11 | Yanroy | I don't think an iphone will do any of the stuff he wants unless its jailbroken |
| 20:10.13 | WorldDomination | .... |
| 20:10.14 | Chocky | wants to be indentured to Apple |
| 20:10.17 | linuxxr | 250 a month or so |
| 20:10.18 | WorldDomination | exactly yanroy |
| 20:10.20 | WorldDomination | in fact |
| 20:10.24 | WorldDomination | youre a fuckin genius |
| 20:10.26 | kd8ikt | christ |
| 20:10.30 | WorldDomination | I need a jailbroken iphone |
| 20:10.34 | Yanroy | lol |
| 20:10.43 | WorldDomination | DAMN man |
| 20:10.44 | WorldDomination | you saved my day |
| 20:10.47 | Yanroy | I really think you just need to give the freerunner a little time :) it's going to be the best in the end |
| 20:10.47 | linuxxr | see thats a problem |
| 20:10.56 | WorldDomination | that's the ONE thing I havent thought about |
| 20:11.03 | WorldDomination | yanroy I m sure of that |
| 20:11.04 | Chocky | well, off you go then :p |
| 20:11.19 | WorldDomination | but for now I need <500g, stable, gps, cam |
| 20:11.25 | WorldDomination | hsdpa. |
| 20:11.27 | WorldDomination | that's all |
| 20:11.32 | WorldDomination | so either: a lightweight notebook |
| 20:11.36 | linuxxr | y get to hacking |
| 20:11.38 | WorldDomination | or a jailbroken iphone |
| 20:11.38 | Yanroy | WorldDomination: a friend of mine intends to use his freerunner for basically exactly what you just said you wanted |
| 20:11.43 | WorldDomination | or do you know any other alternatives ? |
| 20:11.45 | Yanroy | but it's not quite there yet |
| 20:11.50 | WorldDomination | shit. |
| 20:11.55 | WorldDomination | what's he workin on ? |
| 20:12.06 | Chocky | give the swearing a rest, thanks |
| 20:12.26 | WorldDomination | ;) |
| 20:12.29 | Yanroy | WorldDomination: I don't know if he's working on any code for the FR... he's not a programmer. he's a photographer |
| 20:12.39 | peepsalot | when clicking the touchscreen, it seems to register a drag downwards a lot of the time. this is particularly noticable if you have a modal dialog with a bar at the top for dragging. |
| 20:12.45 | WorldDomination | autonomous photo units ? |
| 20:12.52 | WorldDomination | hm |
| 20:12.58 | WorldDomination | I think a jailbroken iphone will do |
| 20:12.59 | peepsalot | the gpe gallery image viewer application open file dialog is a good example of this |
| 20:13.26 | Yanroy | is there an app for calibrating the touchscreen and/or any settings for it? I've been noticing weirdness similar to what peepsalot is describing |
| 20:13.33 | WorldDomination | but on the other hand - wait |
| 20:13.41 | WorldDomination | the problem is: jailbroken iphone with GPS doesnt exist |
| 20:13.42 | kd8ikt | ts_calibrate |
| 20:13.58 | WorldDomination | the only jailbroken iphones are not from the generation with GPS |
| 20:14.04 | kd8ikt | it should already be installed |
| 20:14.06 | WorldDomination | arrrrr |
| 20:15.26 | Chocky | frowns at Debian |
| 20:15.34 | mmaestri | Yanroy: Pastebin complains about being too large |
| 20:15.51 | mmaestri | I'm trying to send you the alsa.conf |
| 20:16.02 | Yanroy | what controls the mapping between the list of categories in the app launcher and the category names in the .desktop files? I notice that "game" in the .desktop means "games" in the dropdown... |
| 20:16.14 | Yanroy | mmaestri: alsa.conf? don't I want gsmhandset.state? |
| 20:16.30 | Yanroy | maybe that's what I did wrong... |
| 20:16.44 | zedstar | i thought u could jailbrake 2.0 iphones already? |
| 20:17.05 | Yanroy | zedstar: I think it's been done but the hack hasn't been published |
| 20:17.25 | linuxxr | jusy get a freerunner an make it work if u use linux |
| 20:17.25 | trix | the Will It Blend guy jailbroke his phone |
| 20:17.30 | trix | into dust |
| 20:17.35 | mmaestri | Yanroy: don't know what you've been touching |
| 20:17.55 | Yanroy | mmaestri: hold on a sec and I'll get you a way to send me the file :) |
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| 20:18.21 | Yanroy | mmaestri: also, I changed gsmhandset.state per the instructions in the getting started guide... dunno if I did something to alsa.conf without realizing it (does alsamixer modify it?) |
| 20:19.13 | Yanroy | mmaestri: https://ryansv.ath.cx/~rmeador/upload/ |
| 20:19.24 | Yanroy | that will let you upload a file to me |
| 20:19.29 | Yanroy | mmaestri: thakns for your help |
| 20:21.14 | mmaestri | Yanroy: ok, here we go |
| 20:21.54 | mmaestri | Yanroy: done |
| 20:22.05 | Yanroy | mmaestri: only 8k? I'm surprised the pastebin said no |
| 20:22.43 | mmaestri | Yanroy: me too...but it said so... |
| 20:23.18 | Yanroy | where does the alsa.conf go? |
| 20:23.30 | Chocky | reboot! |
| 20:24.21 | mmaestri | it goes /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf |
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| 20:25.34 | Yanroy | mmaestri: assuming I did the diff command correctly, your conf is the same as mine :( |
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| 20:26.19 | Yanroy | I think I broke /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state |
| 20:26.28 | mmaestri | Yanroy: ...so you never changed that file... |
| 20:26.51 | Yanroy | mmaestri: it would seem. I know I changed that one I just mentioned, but I don't know why it would stop working... I followed the getting started guide for changing the volume |
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| 20:27.08 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 20:28.38 | Yanroy | I just had the bright idea of downloading the tar.gz of the rootfs... I can compare mine against that and see what i broke |
| 20:28.38 | mmaestri | Yanroy: I'm going away now, but I can send you that file later if you didn't got it by that time |
| 20:28.41 | mmaestri | bye |
| 20:28.46 | Yanroy | mmaestri: thanks for your help! |
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| 20:33.41 | peepsalot | man, reading the mailing lists is starting to take up a good chunk of my day |
| 20:34.28 | Yanroy | yeah... I read mine as an RSS feed in google reader... I spend way too much time doing that at work every day |
| 20:35.15 | Yanroy | nice, I have sound back... now how do I change the volume? :D |
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| 20:35.56 | Chocky | right. |
| 20:36.02 | Chocky | 2.6.26 + latest nvidia moose |
| 20:36.42 | Yanroy | has anyone here successfully gotten the volume change instructions from the getting started page to work? |
| 20:37.25 | peepsalot | i haven't bothered trying. figured someone's bound to write an app to do it one of these days :-P |
| 20:37.54 | Chocky | slaps FR |
| 20:37.59 | Chocky | hub 1-0:1.0: over-current change on port 7 |
| 20:38.12 | Yanroy | Chocky: sounds like a windows error message... |
| 20:38.29 | peepsalot | sounds scary |
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| 20:38.56 | Chocky | plugs into different USB port and it works :o |
| 20:39.31 | Bubbi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.32 | Chocky | oh good grief. apparently my Desktop is plugged into the mains instead of a battery :-) |
| 20:39.40 | Chocky | hm. |
| 20:39.55 | Chocky | Bubbi: well, I since rewrote the USB networking page. |
| 20:39.57 | Chocky | much better. |
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| 20:41.50 | Bubbi | heh, nice.. :) But it was simple because there were *no* usb0 connection.. still don't know why.. i fiddled with it today, and now I have it. And everything works like a charm.. sort of.. Now I just need to get into how to use the neo to its full potential |
| 20:42.22 | Chocky | hm. |
| 20:44.26 | Yanroy | so it looks like when you store the config using "alsactl -f <file> store", it changes a lot more than just what I changed in alsamixer... perhaps it has nothing to do with alsamixer |
| 20:44.30 | Yanroy | anyone know what's up with that? |
| 20:44.42 | Chocky | Yanroy: I think you might be the expert at this point. |
| 20:44.49 | Yanroy | maybe I need to make it load the correct file to begin with so it knows what it's supposed to be editing? |
| 20:44.53 | Yanroy | Chocky: that's depressing |
| 20:44.53 | peepsalot | looks like large transfers over USB/scp get about 185KB/s. i wonder if this is CPU bound because of the work for decrypting it. what would be the fastest way to transfer over USB? |
| 20:45.06 | Chocky | yes, but that's what happens :o |
| 20:45.15 | SpeedEvil | peepsalot: rsync |
| 20:45.20 | Chocky | peepsalot: I got 245. |
| 20:45.28 | safiiru | peepsalot: If there was a netcat package that would be fast. |
| 20:45.29 | Yanroy | SpeedEvil: doesn't rsync use ssh as the tunnel layer? |
| 20:45.31 | Chocky | but I'm also downloading stuff from ethernet at the same time about the same rate |
| 20:45.38 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: doesn't have to |
| 20:45.46 | Chocky | SpeedEvil: have to what? |
| 20:45.47 | Yanroy | peepsalot: how about wget from a website hosted on the desktop machine? |
| 20:45.59 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: doesn't have to use ssh |
| 20:46.06 | Chocky | said nothing of ssh |
| 20:46.12 | Yanroy | I think that wa smeant for me |
| 20:46.21 | Chocky | although I _was_ using scp, but that's incidental |
| 20:46.25 | SpeedEvil | ah - sorry |
| 20:46.28 | peepsalot | Yanroy sound like too much work to set up a whole websrever for that |
| 20:46.32 | SpeedEvil | slightly unclear font. |
| 20:46.45 | Chocky | peepsalot: apt-get install favourite-small-webserver |
| 20:46.53 | Chocky | put something in /var/www. done. |
| 20:46.57 | Yanroy | peepsalot: work? setup? hehe... just fire up httpd and see what happens :) |
| 20:47.17 | SpeedEvil | or tar+nc |
| 20:47.24 | Chocky | ah yes, another peeve about Fedora. "httpd" could be anything, and has been renamed. sometimes it unhelpfully means Apache |
| 20:47.38 | Yanroy | I think it always means apache |
| 20:47.47 | Yanroy | and I think apache actually calls their webserver httpd |
| 20:47.48 | Chocky | only on Fedora |
| 20:48.02 | Yanroy | since apache is a foundation, not a project (anymore) |
| 20:48.13 | Chocky | well yes, but that's not the point. there are many things that could be called that |
| 20:48.20 | peepsalot | ideally there would be some sort of gui app for transferring files between desktop and openmoko |
| 20:48.32 | Chocky | peepsalot: samba |
| 20:48.53 | Chocky | it's a TCP/IP connection, run any file transfer over it you want. |
| 20:48.58 | Yanroy | not samba... oh the horror |
| 20:49.04 | Chocky | same rulez. |
| 20:49.05 | Chocky | samba. |
| 20:49.13 | peepsalot | has anyone used samba on openmoko? |
| 20:49.19 | Yanroy | I saw a project on projects.openmoko.org for a GUI file transfer program... it's under way |
| 20:49.55 | Chocky | I'm not sure why you needed a dedicated file transfer program. what could it possibly do that samba/NFS/scp/ftp couldn't? |
| 20:50.18 | Chocky | this is the Windows world thinking. no reusability |
| 20:50.39 | Yanroy | I agree |
| 20:50.49 | Yanroy | I have no need of it. I just know that some ppl want it |
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| 20:51.00 | SpeedEvil | Of simple testing. |
| 20:51.02 | SpeedEvil | 10485760 bytes (10 MB) copied, 13.3456 s, 786 kB/s |
| 20:51.09 | peepsalot | i don't see a package in opkg for samba |
| 20:51.09 | Chocky | SpeedEvil: phat. |
| 20:51.11 | SpeedEvil | time dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=10240|nc 192.168.0.200 5555 |
| 20:51.25 | Yanroy | I haven't needed a usb thumb drive since I switched to linux 4 years ago... scp does everything I need and works through firewalls, etc |
| 20:51.25 | Chocky | peepsalot: get haxx0ring. |
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| 20:52.01 | peepsalot | i don't know how to hax0r opkg |
| 20:52.01 | Chocky | crafts an iptables rule especially to stop Yanroy :o |
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| 20:52.26 | Yanroy | Chocky: that would be difficult, since you can almost always do the SSH tunnel out and connect back in through it trick :) |
| 20:52.59 | Chocky | oh, you think? ;-) I can block all access except port 80 to a proxy host which you must use for http. |
| 20:53.01 | kd8ikt | over port 80 |
| 20:53.15 | Chocky | and block all incoming connections. |
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| 20:53.25 | kd8ikt | you'd end up just screwing your own connection |
| 20:53.25 | Yanroy | Chocky: well, if you want to cripple your network, that's your choice :) |
| 20:53.32 | Chocky | true, just sayin' |
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| 20:53.41 | kd8ikt | knows an easier way |
| 20:53.46 | kd8ikt | unplug the cord |
| 20:54.00 | Chocky | then he'll just use the neighboring open WiFi :o |
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| 20:54.40 | spydon | does anyone know any game package that is in the repos? |
| 20:54.54 | Chocky | anyway, you're supposed to answer that you're running an Ajaxified ssh web client somewhere. |
| 20:54.58 | Yanroy | spydon: I noticed that flashing the latest daily of 2007.2 has a bunch of games... dunno the package though |
| 20:55.12 | Chocky | the games package has a stupid name |
| 20:55.16 | kd8ikt | opkg list |grep games |
| 20:55.25 | Chocky | suggests grep -i |
| 20:55.26 | torero | ok, im trying to flash again the FR but when i cant connect via usb, i get usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device, any ideas? |
| 20:55.37 | torero | im using ubuntu |
| 20:55.48 | Yanroy | task-openmoko-games? |
| 20:55.50 | Chocky | torero: first, it's "I'm", second your kernel is probably missing options/modules |
| 20:56.07 | spydon | nice, thx ^^ |
| 20:56.09 | Chocky | Yanroy: naw, IIRC, it's a qtopia package. |
| 20:56.19 | Yanroy | Chocky: huh? I'm runnign 2007.2 |
| 20:56.22 | torero | omg i didnt know the writting should be totally correct here |
| 20:56.22 | Chocky | cdc_ether, for example |
| 20:56.40 | torero | wait, is writting written like that? |
| 20:56.43 | Chocky | torero: omgpwnies!@!! I didn't know you wanted an exact answer or some shit I made up! |
| 20:56.54 | peepsalot | torero, no |
| 20:57.03 | peepsalot | writing |
| 20:57.08 | torero | ok thanks |
| 20:57.21 | Yanroy | ah, the beauty of english |
| 20:57.31 | torero | Chocky: i didnt know the writing should be totally correct here |
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| 20:57.40 | torero | thanks peepsalot |
| 20:57.43 | Chocky | Not totally, but make some freakin' effort. |
| 20:58.00 | Chocky | If you want some help, you'll need to try to be exact. That's simply how it is. |
| 20:58.02 | torero | "it's" freaking IRC |
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| 20:58.58 | torero | btw cocky is not written with an h ;) |
| 20:59.08 | Chocky | True enough. |
| 20:59.20 | Chocky | Bite my candy ass :o |
| 20:59.34 | torero | ;) later, after i get my FR flashed |
| 21:00.53 | Chocky | hm, busybox tar sucks. |
| 21:01.13 | awesomo4k | anyone know what the bitbake "CACHE" environment variable is for |
| 21:03.25 | spydon | Kobo deluxe owned :P |
| 21:03.59 | Chocky | oh dear, no OABI support. |
| 21:04.16 | torero | C'h'ocky: so what was the suggestion you made? |
| 21:04.31 | Chocky | Get a pony. |
| 21:04.53 | torero | :) c'mon im just kidding, you are not mad at me are you? |
| 21:05.08 | Chocky | not mad, but honestly, I have better things to do with my time. |
| 21:05.18 | donomo | opkg upgrade today is causing my FR to not recover from sleep/dim. i get a solid while screen after touching the screen to wake up. |
| 21:05.22 | torero | hehe |
| 21:06.07 | torero | i'm still your friend :) and look i'm putting ---> ' those things when i write (with one t) |
| 21:06.28 | Chocky | winds in retractile. |
| 21:06.48 | awesomo4k | anyone using bitbake from ubuntu 8.04 |
| 21:08.31 | Chocky | argh. I'm not sure I want to roll my own kernel. |
| 21:08.40 | awesomo4k | cmon you know you wanna |
| 21:09.22 | Chocky | ok, I _do_, I'm just not sure I want to deal with the process :o |
| 21:09.47 | awesomo4k | i'm struggling with bitbake. |
| 21:10.01 | awesomo4k | it seems complicated. either that or the version in apt-get is foobar |
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| 21:10.49 | Yanroy | any thoughts on why the delete key types a period in vi over SSH? |
| 21:11.02 | Yanroy | oh, only in insert mode... in command mode it deletes as expected |
| 21:11.02 | Chocky | opkg install nano |
| 21:11.10 | Yanroy | vim is the ultimate editor |
| 21:11.13 | Yanroy | I will not use nano |
| 21:11.25 | Chocky | opkg install kdevelop |
| 21:11.26 | awesomo4k | delete key? |
| 21:11.31 | awesomo4k | you mean 'x' ? |
| 21:11.38 | Yanroy | awesomo4k: no, I mean delete :P |
| 21:11.51 | Yanroy | awesomo4k: x only works in command mode |
| 21:12.26 | Bubbi | Chocky: what is nano..? an editor? |
| 21:12.31 | Chocky | yes |
| 21:12.41 | Bubbi | what makes it different from VI..? |
| 21:12.42 | Chocky | pretty basic, but easy to use |
| 21:12.53 | Chocky | you don't have to understand how to use vi |
| 21:13.08 | Bubbi | heh, but then I need to understand how to use nano.. :D |
| 21:13.08 | awesomo4k | Yanroy - it does type a . for me to |
| 21:13.24 | Yanroy | awesomo4k: must be broken somehow... |
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| 21:13.31 | Chocky | there's only about 3 things you need to know in nano, and some of that's shown on screen |
| 21:13.46 | Bubbi | alright.. :) Might give it a try.. |
| 21:14.13 | Chocky | http://bc.tech.coop/blog/images/curves.jpg |
| 21:14.24 | Bubbi | I'm not a very needy person, just want an editor that works easily, and VI is not one of the easy ones.. |
| 21:14.41 | Bubbi | Chocky: haha.. |
| 21:14.44 | Yanroy | you know, I don't think the dialer is supposed to quit after you hang up... I think its segfaulting. is there a log I can check for that? logread | tail doesn't show anything... |
| 21:14.50 | Chocky | for pico, read "nano" |
| 21:14.51 | Bubbi | love the emacs one.. :P |
| 21:15.52 | Yanroy | I'd say those are all pretty accurate |
| 21:15.59 | Chocky | torpor: your candy-assed machine probably needs cdc_ether modules loaded |
| 21:16.04 | Chocky | er |
| 21:16.13 | Yanroy | one day I just sat down and said "I'm goign to learn vim", and I did |
| 21:16.13 | Chocky | torero |
| 21:16.23 | Chocky | vim and Fedora. sigh. |
| 21:16.35 | Yanroy | a match made in heaven |
| 21:16.50 | Chocky | lights the match, and sets it all alight |
| 21:16.56 | awesomo4k | i use vi because its shorter to type vi than pico or nano |
| 21:16.57 | cesarb | Does anyone know where should I send a patch for a bashism on python-edje on org.openmoko.asu.dev? OE, OM, or somewhere else? |
| 21:17.19 | Chocky | Centaur5: perhaps the OM developer mailing list. dunno for sure. |
| 21:17.27 | Chocky | er, ceasarb |
| 21:17.55 | awesomo4k | i just wanna compile one app using bitbake |
| 21:17.58 | awesomo4k | help |
| 21:18.05 | Bubbi | Yanroy: I've started using ubuntu a couple of months ago (still using windows primarily though). But I thought that it would be a good fresh start now that i've bought the neo. So at the moment, I'm using ubuntu. And I'm still trying to get the hang of it.. :D |
| 21:18.19 | cesarb | And, on a related question... is org.openmoko.asu.dev actually being updated? I saw on rwhitby's commit message to mokomakefile dfu-util would be changed to provide a symlink, but it doesn't seem to have been updated... |
| 21:18.22 | awesomo4k | i'm on ubuntu |
| 21:18.32 | Bubbi | But i've never really gotten used to VI.. even though i'm working with it a little at work too.. |
| 21:18.37 | Chocky | pokes rwhitby |
| 21:18.38 | cesarb | (and which of the four branches is the one being actually developed?) |
| 21:18.55 | Chocky | cesarb: ah, the hard questions. |
| 21:18.58 | awesomo4k | yeah i don't think anyone really gets used to vi ... you just kinda live with it |
| 21:19.04 | cesarb | Chocky: :) |
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| 21:19.45 | cesarb | awesomo4k: I am used to vi |
| 21:19.57 | cesarb | awesomo4k: to the point of pressing "escape" when I have to use notepad |
| 21:20.16 | cesarb | uses gvim all the time |
| 21:20.19 | awesomo4k | ha ha... yeah i know what you mean. |
| 21:20.21 | Bubbi | awesomo4k: heh, some of my colleagues love it and I must say.. they can really do wonders with it.. :D I'm just not that experienced with it yet.. |
| 21:20.37 | Chocky | it's just a freakin' tool :p |
| 21:20.42 | awesomo4k | i've been using it for 10 years... but still just enough to get by : ) |
| 21:20.50 | Bubbi | haha |
| 21:20.51 | cesarb | Chocky: the tools one use are Serious Business |
| 21:21.09 | awesomo4k | for major editing i prefer sed awk and cut |
| 21:21.17 | safiiru | I use vi to develop always. |
| 21:21.23 | Bubbi | yeah..! If you haven't got a tool to match your personality, then you can really get pissed off sometimes.. :P |
| 21:21.24 | safiiru | Vim really. |
| 21:21.26 | Chocky | sobs. |
| 21:21.45 | safiiru | Modal text editors are where it's at. |
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| 21:23.28 | awesomo4k | is there a wiki doc about taking an existing C app and the "right" way to put it in the openmoko build system |
| 21:23.41 | Chocky | awesomo4k: you might have to be the expert and make one! |
| 21:23.58 | CM | awesomo4k: Usually step one is to see if it's already in OpenEmbedded |
| 21:24.17 | Chocky | ah, an expert. good. |
| 21:24.19 | awesomo4k | okey. how to do that? |
| 21:24.29 | CM | Chocky: Hehe, I wish |
| 21:24.44 | awesomo4k | does this involve checking out and building an entire distribution |
| 21:24.45 | Yanroy | does anyone know if alsamixer is real time? I keep calling goog411 and playing with it... no dice |
| 21:24.45 | CM | awesomo4k: Take a look at the Ångström feeds or so |
| 21:25.01 | CM | No, you should just be able to see what ipk's are available |
| 21:25.01 | Bubbi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.02 | Yanroy | I bet google is going to have their secret assassins come after me because I've been calling them too much |
| 21:25.06 | Chocky | CM: experter |
| 21:25.18 | Chocky | Bubbi: yes |
| 21:25.47 | Yanroy | Bubbi: I noticed that page lacks any info on flashing uboot... I dunno how to do it. but you run dfu-util on your host systeme (i.e. desktop) |
| 21:26.04 | Chocky | it's exactly the same, except the partition is 'u-boot' |
| 21:26.12 | Yanroy | ah |
| 21:26.13 | Bubbi | Chocky: But in which way..? Yes, the page is missing a few examples :) |
| 21:26.17 | Yanroy | perhaps the wiki should be updated for that... |
| 21:26.26 | awesomo4k | Yanroy : sudo dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D ./u-boot_image_file.bin |
| 21:26.49 | cesarb | Great, I'm *really* out of the loop. Now I found out bugzilla is gone and there's trac on its place |
| 21:26.51 | awesomo4k | and make sure you've powered-on with AUX pressed |
| 21:26.59 | awesomo4k | just leave the boot menu up |
| 21:27.11 | CM | awesomo4k: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/ |
| 21:27.13 | Chocky | come back Bugzilla, all is forgiven! |
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| 21:27.20 | Bubbi | awesomo4k: why do you need to do that |
| 21:27.32 | awesomo4k | to do what? |
| 21:27.45 | CM | Search for ipk's :) |
| 21:27.46 | Bubbi | leave the boot menu up.. |
| 21:27.54 | ab0oo | has lorn delivered on his "feed for QTopia in a week" promise yet, anyone? |
| 21:28.05 | awesomo4k | when flashing? i dunno.. i think that's what the instructions say to do |
| 21:28.07 | Chocky | yes, there was a list post about it |
| 21:28.19 | ab0oo | wanders off to the lists... |
| 21:28.24 | Yanroy | I don't think you can flash without being at the NOR boot menu |
| 21:28.28 | Chocky | good luck finding it though :o |
| 21:28.36 | awesomo4k | i mean until its done... i never really tried flashing when not in the boot menu... |
| 21:28.37 | Yanroy | I'm just basing that assumption on my work with other embedded devices |
| 21:28.54 | Chocky | you can flash from NAND no problem |
| 21:29.01 | awesomo4k | plus isn't flashing u-boot dangerous or something |
| 21:29.14 | Chocky | on most uboot setups, uboot is in RAM |
| 21:29.17 | Yanroy | awesomo4k: I think you flash the NAND uboot from the NOR, so it's ok |
| 21:29.25 | awesomo4k | like potential brick-worthy if it gets interrupted or something |
| 21:29.32 | Chocky | awesomo4k: not on Freerunner :p |
| 21:29.33 | Yanroy | awesomo4k: it's flashing the NOR that's dangerous and I think it can only be done through the dev board |
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| 21:29.58 | Bubbi | heh.. So I can't f*ck it all up..? :) |
| 21:30.06 | Chocky | only a little |
| 21:30.10 | Yanroy | oh, well, you can, but it's fixable :) |
| 21:30.11 | Bubbi | why thanks.. ;) |
| 21:30.34 | awesomo4k | what architecture are we on in the angstrom distribution pkg searcher |
| 21:30.43 | Chocky | armel |
| 21:31.03 | awesomo4k | armv4t? |
| 21:31.09 | Chocky | yes, also. |
| 21:31.31 | awesomo4k | arm OABI and armv4t EABI will both work? |
| 21:31.41 | Chocky | looks like the kernel doens't have OABI |
| 21:31.44 | Chocky | EABI = armel |
| 21:31.46 | Bubbi | It's just that all I want, is to get some new stuff on the neo, and as much as I've been able to read, you need to flash the uboot to get GPS working with the SD card.. right..? (please correct me if i'm wrong) |
| 21:32.15 | Chocky | uboot doesn't have anything to do with GPS, but it's worth updating all the same |
| 21:32.50 | awesomo4k | wow so i can get any of these programs onto the neo ? |
| 21:33.07 | Chocky | awesomo4k: I suspect so, give me an example. |
| 21:33.09 | Bubbi | Chocky: to take one thing at a time (the GPS). What would I need to do to get the GPS working then..? |
| 21:33.19 | awesomo4k | Chocky: kismet |
| 21:33.20 | Chocky | The neo is nothing special in terms of embedded Linux |
| 21:33.34 | awesomo4k | can the wifi be put in monitor mode easily |
| 21:33.35 | Chocky | bubbi; u-boot is one thing at a time :p |
| 21:33.39 | Bubbi | :D |
| 21:33.57 | awesomo4k | how do i point my opkg at this repo |
| 21:34.05 | Chocky | dunno |
| 21:34.08 | Bubbi | Well.. what would updating the uboot do for me..? Better performance, stability, functionality..? |
| 21:34.22 | Bubbi | (all very good reasons to update..!) |
| 21:34.33 | Chocky | Bubbi: you and everyone else spend more time worrying about uboot than the actual flash would take |
| 21:34.44 | Chocky | let's say it'll save you time later too. |
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| 21:35.10 | ab0oo | hmm, the conversations between Trolltech and Holgar are slightly disturbing |
| 21:35.18 | Chocky | ab0oo: oh yes? |
| 21:35.27 | lpotter | ab0oo: in what way? |
| 21:35.46 | Bubbi | of course.. if it could f*ck everything up for me, I'm doing some risk vs. gain thinking here :D |
| 21:35.57 | ab0oo | I'm trying to wrap my brain around it and say it intelligently. |
| 21:36.08 | Chocky | ab0oo: a link will do :p |
| 21:36.11 | ab0oo | give me a minute to gather my thougts.\ |
| 21:36.39 | lpotter | holger makes it seem like TT is all at fault and wrong about everything |
| 21:36.49 | ab0oo | the conversations between lorn and holder, here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/023850.html |
| 21:36.52 | Bubbi | \me thinks ab0oo need more than a minute for that... wups.. did he say that out loud? |
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| 21:37.14 | ab0oo | I guess it's this: |
| 21:37.21 | ab0oo | well, this one line, let me find it. |
| 21:38.44 | ab0oo | ahh, the final paragraph in this message: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/023736.html |
| 21:40.04 | ab0oo | let me start with this caveat: I'm an admitted Open Source leach: I have made a good living reccomended, deploying, using, and depending on Open Source software. I'm also a professional software engineer, but I program in Java, which is a red-headed step child inthe open source world. |
| 21:40.15 | Chocky | laffs. |
| 21:40.20 | ab0oo | so, I have mooched a lot of good from the open source world, but contributed very little back. |
| 21:40.48 | Yanroy | just received his first legitimate (non-test) phone call on his FR and it actually worked |
| 21:41.08 | ab0oo | I did some QT programming a few years back, and in my job, when I can manage to justify it, I will purchase support contracts from open source companies (we've "donated" close to $200,000 to open source "support" in the last two years) |
| 21:41.10 | cesarb | ab0oo: Java's status has changed since RedHat started including openjdk by default. Now it's Real Open Source ;-) |
| 21:41.12 | donomo | warning: the latest kernel is seriously hosed |
| 21:41.19 | ab0oo | having said that.... |
| 21:41.44 | ab0oo | I have concerns about Nokia's commitment to the Open Source community. |
| 21:41.57 | mjr | ab0oo, well doh ;] |
| 21:42.16 | Chocky | it always goes like that when big companies get involved :o Sun, Intel, look at the moose with the nvidia driver. |
| 21:42.16 | Yanroy | donomo: 2008-07-25? |
| 21:42.33 | ab0oo | I think they'll honor the GPL. But that comment from Lorn about taking contributions... |
| 21:42.56 | Chocky | never mind the mess that is Android. |
| 21:43.19 | Yanroy | not only is Android a stupid name for a product that isn't actually an android, it's pretty fake open source |
| 21:43.26 | ab0oo | yeah, looking at android, I'm a small time Open Source "thief" compared to what google is doing. |
| 21:44.05 | Bubbi | Chocky: Okay, lets start at the uboot instead then. If I want to flash it, then I first need to download the u-boot file, it's a .gz file, right..? |
| 21:44.17 | Chocky | it's a .bin |
| 21:44.18 | ab0oo | lpotter: can you explain the relationship between QT and QTopia for me (or point me to a link)? |
| 21:44.19 | lpotter | ab0oo: that has always been our policy |
| 21:44.37 | kd8ikt | ab0oo: goto wikip;edia |
| 21:44.51 | Chocky | watches MokoMakefile build random things :o |
| 21:45.11 | ab0oo | shambles off to wikipedia |
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| 21:46.17 | Bubbi | Chocky: it would be the uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin file here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080725/ Right..? |
| 21:46.21 | Chocky | yes |
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| 21:51.30 | Bubbi | okay, i've got the .bin file, trying to use the dfu-util, as it says on the "flashing...." wiki page, with the line that awesomo4k decribed earlier, i've changed the filename, but everything else is still intact. But it "fails" with a warning about the device is already in DFU state..? |
| 21:52.00 | Chocky | did you get the command line exact? |
| 21:53.09 | SirBob1701 | is the asu keyboard working again in the july 25th build? |
| 21:53.26 | cesarb | Hm... can I build the ASU image from the org.openmoko.dev branch instead of using the org.openmoko.asu.dev branch? Because the kernel on the ASU branch was broken for GTA01 last I checked, and it seems org.openmoko.dev has GTA01 workarounds |
| 21:53.26 | Bubbi | Chocky: I made a pastie with it: http://pastie.org/241757 |
| 21:53.28 | Yanroy | SirBob1701: as of yesterday, it seems not... I switched back to 2007.2 after trying ASU for about 6 hours |
| 21:53.51 | SirBob1701 | Yanroy: guess i'll stick with the july 18th build for a bit |
| 21:54.23 | Bubbi | the dfu-util file is on the desktop (don't really know if that matters..?) |
| 21:54.31 | Yanroy | SirBob1701: my brief exposure to the ASU makes me wonder if it will ever be stable enough to use. there's a LOT that needs to be done (mostly in terms of cleaning stuff up, not even new features) |
| 21:54.40 | Chocky | Bubbi: did you boot to NAND flash? |
| 21:54.59 | Chocky | and see if there's some bitching in dmesg |
| 21:55.04 | SirBob1701 | Yanroy: ya i'm using it as my daily phone but there are issues every now and then |
| 21:55.13 | awesomo4k | Bubbi .. try unplugging usb cable then AUX+Power then plug in usb cable |
| 21:55.19 | awesomo4k | then dfu-util |
| 21:55.43 | awesomo4k | press aux if it sleeps quick too |
| 21:55.47 | Bubbi | Chocky: I did this on the ubuntu, as there's no real reference to where i should do it. Don't know if that matters..? |
| 21:56.11 | Chocky | try wut awe says |
| 21:56.20 | Bubbi | okay.. give me a sec to try it :) |
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| 21:58.25 | Bubbi | awesomo4k: what should happen when i press both the AUX and Power button..? I get the AUX menu (toggle fullscreen, swap orientation, screenshot) AND the Power Menu (Turn on/off GSM, BT, GPS, WIFI and so forth) |
| 21:58.35 | Chocky | er |
| 21:58.37 | Chocky | no! |
| 21:58.42 | awesomo4k | Bubbi .. you need to do that from powered down |
| 21:58.45 | Chocky | you need to do this from off. |
| 21:58.50 | awesomo4k | it should be a text screen with some boot options |
| 21:58.53 | Chocky | and then flash from within uboot |
| 21:59.01 | Bubbi | ahh okay :) didn't know that.. :D |
| 21:59.10 | Chocky | you are trying to flash from GTK :p |
| 21:59.34 | Bubbi | And we've got a menu.. :D |
| 21:59.54 | awesomo4k | yeah... just leave that text menu up then run the dfu-util |
| 22:00.58 | Yanroy | does anyone have working settings for more volume on both the earpiece and mic? |
| 22:01.04 | Yanroy | and by earpiece I mean the speaker thingy |
| 22:01.35 | Chocky | hm, mythfrontend on FR :p then I can watch TV on it |
| 22:02.19 | Bubbi | small problem, I get a "More than one DFU capable USB device found, you might try `--list' and then disconnect all but one device" message.. how do I disconnect them the unneeded ones.. |
| 22:02.43 | Chocky | unplug them :p |
| 22:02.48 | Chocky | do what it says |
| 22:02.59 | awesomo4k | you can specify the device with -d vendor:product also |
| 22:03.11 | Bubbi | don't want that.. It's my keyboard.. :D |
| 22:04.05 | Chocky | then do what awe says |
| 22:04.08 | Chocky | lsub |
| 22:04.11 | Chocky | lsusb |
| 22:04.53 | Bubbi | ah, wait.. :P I had a small USB/bluetooth dongle on the back of the computer (you forget that when you don't use it very often).. |
| 22:05.14 | Bubbi | now something is happening.. :) |
| 22:06.32 | Bubbi | alright.. now i have run the dfu-util, and its last line was "Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode" and then i had control again.. this means that it's done correctly..? |
| 22:06.42 | Chocky | yes |
| 22:06.44 | Chocky | now kernel :p |
| 22:07.17 | Bubbi | But isn't that possible to upgrade using opkg..? |
| 22:07.24 | Chocky | yes, also |
| 22:07.28 | Chocky | just sayin' |
| 22:07.44 | Bubbi | I've already made a opkg upgrade, that took a few minutes, so i'm "safe" on that one, right..? |
| 22:07.53 | Chocky | probably |
| 22:08.04 | Chocky | if you're lucky, GPS is all good |
| 22:08.11 | Chocky | since latest kernels help that |
| 22:08.15 | Yanroy | does anyone know how to type an address into minimo? I hit the @ button which brought up something that looks like an address bar, but I can't type in it |
| 22:08.25 | Chocky | Yanroy: mystery to me. :p |
| 22:08.46 | Bubbi | I must say.. it's quite fun to see all the text, when the neo is booting.. ;) |
| 22:09.16 | sphery_ | doesn't understand why so many think the boot text is a bad thing |
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| 22:09.43 | Bubbi | They say it's a great web browser.. if only you could type something in the address bar.. :D (just kidding.. i haven't tried using it myself) |
| 22:09.44 | Chocky | I look at kernels booting all day, it's a bit tiresome. plus the scrolling slows down the boot a bit |
| 22:10.07 | peepsalot | i don't mind the text itself although the boot time is too slow overall |
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| 22:10.27 | Bubbi | Chocky: Well.. :) I'm not used to it.. so for now, it's quite nice.. :D |
| 22:10.42 | awesomo4k | no doubt. boot time is awful. |
| 22:10.46 | Yanroy | does tangogps require gpsd? |
| 22:10.56 | peepsalot | yes and no |
| 22:11.07 | Bubbi | uhh tricky answer.. :D |
| 22:11.07 | peepsalot | it requires it if you want to see where you are using gps |
| 22:11.12 | Bubbi | heh.. |
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| 22:11.20 | Bubbi | but you could use the map without.. :) |
| 22:11.21 | Yanroy | ok |
| 22:11.25 | Chocky | hm, streaming HDTV and building openmoko at the sametime isn't so hot ;-) |
| 22:11.28 | Yanroy | I thought maybe it was it's own gps interface |
| 22:11.37 | Chocky | its |
| 22:12.22 | Bubbi | Chocky: Hahaha.. It might be a bid hard for the poor machine (I hope you aren't using the neo for that sort of thing.. :S) |
| 22:13.34 | sphery | lol. There are boots on my boot sequence, now. (Just opkg upgrade'ed) |
| 22:13.39 | Yanroy | Chocky: I'll remember one of these times... usually I'm pretty good about the its/it's distinction... I'm losing my edge :( |
| 22:13.51 | Yanroy | sphery: yeah, I love that :D |
| 22:14.03 | Yanroy | goes outside to test the gps |
| 22:14.08 | Chocky | slaps TV adverts in HD |
| 22:14.17 | Bubbi | alright, now i'm getting somewhere.. I can't really see what i updated, when flashing the u-boot, so I can just hope that it helped :D |
| 22:15.07 | awesomo4k | you can check the version number of the uboot by booting back into it |
| 22:15.13 | awesomo4k | and looking at the top |
| 22:15.20 | awesomo4k | it should be a bigger number than before :) |
| 22:15.39 | Bubbi | heh, you can now see all your favorite ads in HIGH DEFINITION!!! WAAAY COOLER.. Or not.. advertisers should be slapped for that sort of thing.. |
| 22:16.20 | Bubbi | awesomo4k: Well.. I can't really remember what it said at first.. :D But the date now is one of the first days of may..?? |
| 22:16.31 | Bubbi | I should think that there were a newer image..? |
| 22:16.42 | awesomo4k | yeah uboot doesn't usually need updating too much |
| 22:16.51 | awesomo4k | kernel and rootfs are the big ones |
| 22:16.57 | awesomo4k | rootfs will take some time to put on there |
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| 22:17.57 | Bubbi | Well.. u-boot is also "just" the thing that talks to the hardware, right..? And then the kernel uses u-boot, i guess.. |
| 22:18.03 | sphery | I wonder if /media/card/{Images,Music,Sounds,Video} from OM or from Kingston... |
| 22:18.26 | SpeedEvil | kingston |
| 22:18.32 | thewtex | anybody get breakage of their usb port on reboot of freerunner? |
| 22:18.38 | peepsalot | hey that kobodeluxe game plays at a better frame rate than i was expecting |
| 22:18.51 | awesomo4k | my understanding is that uboot just loads the kernel.. its a bootloader type thing |
| 22:18.53 | sphery | SpeedEvil: Thanks, and I'm glad. They seem too Windows for my taste. |
| 22:19.14 | awesomo4k | the kernel talks to the hardware during operation |
| 22:19.30 | Chocky | kernel doesn't use u-boot, it's not a BIOS. that's purely an x86 idea. |
| 22:19.44 | Chocky | thewtex: yes, sometimes. |
| 22:19.46 | Bubbi | oh.. well.. Like I said, it was just a guess.. :P I'm no way a "real" developer... All I normally develop is websites.. :) |
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| 22:20.13 | awesomo4k | well then think of the kernel as a website... a big messy website with lots of javascript |
| 22:20.16 | thewtex | Chocky: must restart the computer to get the usb port back up? |
| 22:20.23 | Chocky | thewtex: I changed ports |
| 22:20.32 | Chocky | eventually came back |
| 22:20.40 | Bubbi | awesomo4k: :) I'll try that.. :D |
| 22:20.41 | Chocky | dunno if the FR or desktop was at fault |
| 22:20.59 | awesomo4k | would anyone know how to get opkg to stop failing on Package sigs |
| 22:21.11 | Chocky | replace it with a version which doesn't do that. |
| 22:21.19 | Chocky | no one has gotten around to that yet |
| 22:21.32 | thewtex | Chocky: what kernel are you using |
| 22:21.44 | Chocky | various. |
| 22:22.00 | Chocky | 2.6.26 today, but was 2.56.25.9 earlier. |
| 22:22.03 | Chocky | for desktop |
| 22:22.07 | Chocky | for FR, today's and others |
| 22:22.10 | thewtex | I don't think I was having as much trouble on 2.6.25, but I seem to be having more trouble on 2.6.24 |
| 22:22.45 | Bubbi | awesomo4k: I've read on the wiki, that it's something on the server, not in opkg.. |
| 22:22.55 | Chocky | wiki lies! |
| 22:22.58 | awesomo4k | opkg tells me it updated the list of available packages but then "Signature check failed" happens .. and i can't see new packages listed |
| 22:23.04 | Chocky | Bubbi: let's stop guessing, ok ? ;- |
| 22:23.31 | Bubbi | ahrem.. i'll keep my mouth shut now.. :D |
| 22:23.41 | Chocky | package generation _could_ make sigs, but equally, opkg could not complain. |
| 22:23.59 | awesomo4k | yeah i am really ok with blind trust of binaries at this point |
| 22:24.14 | Chocky | heh |
| 22:24.26 | Chocky | that's what you get in Windows :p |
| 22:24.43 | awesomo4k | i'm not auditing every line of code anyway :) |
| 22:24.55 | Chocky | Finix! |
| 22:24.59 | Chocky | er, Finux |
| 22:25.32 | Bubbi | is there a visual package manager for the neo yet? |
| 22:25.36 | Chocky | yes |
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| 22:25.51 | Chocky | couple in ASU |
| 22:25.52 | Bubbi | could I ask how to install it..? :) |
| 22:26.01 | awesomo4k | so if Signature check fails, then opkg won't add the Packages.gz file ? |
| 22:26.07 | Bubbi | well.. for the 2007.02 image..? |
| 22:26.11 | Chocky | dunno |
| 22:26.17 | Chocky | opkg list | grep -i package |
| 22:26.56 | Bubbi | wuhu nice.. :) I've got to start learning all those nifty lines of code there.. ;) |
| 22:27.10 | awesomo4k | yeah the new ones i'm expecting really aren't there |
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| 22:28.12 | Bubbi | omg omg omg omg flood.. :P There were a few "package" items.. heh |
| 22:28.28 | Chocky | pwnies. |
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| 22:28.44 | awesomo4k | not enough .. grumble grumble |
| 22:28.46 | Bubbi | ;) |
| 22:28.49 | Bubbi | haha |
| 22:29.21 | awesomo4k | i added /etc/opkg/angstrom-feed.conf |
| 22:29.27 | awesomo4k | with contents: |
| 22:29.30 | awesomo4k | src/gz base http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv4t/base/ |
| 22:29.49 | awesomo4k | next step is "opkg update" |
| 22:30.28 | Chocky | fantabulos |
| 22:31.30 | awesomo4k | maybe i have the wrong feed.. |
| 22:32.12 | awesomo4k | i'd like to get everything from angstrom available |
| 22:34.26 | awesomo4k | does anyone know how to do that |
| 22:35.00 | Chocky | build it yourself ;-) |
| 22:35.11 | peepsalot | yikes this pegs game is mega slow |
| 22:35.11 | Chocky | all I know is that I download some stuff in a mailing list message |
| 22:35.20 | Chocky | and that replaced some feed files |
| 22:35.25 | ab0oo | is trolltech contributing to the ASU development? |
| 22:35.27 | awesomo4k | it exists pre-built in the angstrom repo |
| 22:35.35 | ab0oo | in terms of person-hours? |
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| 22:38.52 | peepsalot | can anyone here help with a gtk programming issue? i want to get the height of a widget, so i can caluclate the percentage of a progress bar to set. |
| 22:39.09 | peepsalot | to set the bar by clicking it |
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| 22:41.58 | awesomo4k | someone needs to s/ipkg/opkg/g on the wiki |
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| 22:51.28 | Bubbi | Do I need to set something up for tangoGPS to work..? I've tried the AGPS UI program to test if I could get a fix. And it actually worked.. first time i tried the program it took about 130 sec. but afterwards it took about 30 sec. But i still can't use tangGPS to get my coords, even when AGPS UI is still reporting 5-7 satellites |
| 22:52.01 | ab0oo | Bubbi: you've done everything I did, and mine Just Worked. |
| 22:52.09 | Toaster` | Bubbi: are you running them at the same time? |
| 22:52.47 | Toaster` | Also, I've noticed that TangoGPS tendsto take a bit longer to lock in. but once it does, it's fine |
| 22:52.53 | Bubbi | I've tried running them simultaneously and individually |
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| 22:53.59 | Bubbi | alright, well, i'll try it tomorrow.. it's 00:53 in Denmark right now :) so i'll take it for a spin tomorrow :D |
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| 22:54.48 | lpotter | ab0oo: not directly. we are deveoping qtopia though :) |
| 22:55.51 | ab0oo | fair enough. |
| 22:57.01 | Bubbi | okay guys.. you said that when I was to flash the u-boot, i had to press both aux and power at the same time.. i've just now read that i was in the NOR Flash.. Wasn't that where i could really fuck things up..? *gulp* |
| 22:57.19 | Chocky | no. |
| 22:58.31 | Bubbi | It was the right place to be..? |
| 22:59.21 | Bubbi | It's just that you could start pressing the power button and then the AUX, or you could press the AUX first and then the power button and you would get two different menus |
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| 23:02.47 | awesomo4k | the scrolling speed up and down a list has become incredibly slow. |
| 23:02.49 | mak163 | hello all |
| 23:02.50 | thewtex | Bubbi: it doesn't matter -- the NOR will not change -- the NAND you cant change by flashing u-boot |
| 23:03.01 | thewtex | s/cant/can |
| 23:03.12 | thewtex | hi mak163 |
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| 23:04.16 | Bubbi | thewtex: okay :) Always good to know.. :) |
| 23:04.19 | mak163 | if one wants to build apps for the freerunner platform, they should have the kernel source compiled on their host system using the openmoko toolchain right? |
| 23:05.10 | balrog-k1n | mak163: you don't need to build the kernel to make apps |
| 23:05.25 | Chocky | Bubbi: go to bed. |
| 23:05.41 | balrog-k1n | and you don't have to use the openmoko toolchain, but it helps :) |
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| 23:06.03 | balrog-k1n | when you're not sure where the problem is when there is a problem |
| 23:08.23 | awesomo4k | anyone know how to get the mouse pointer to show up |
| 23:08.30 | mak163 | balrog-k1n: thank you |
| 23:08.38 | Chocky | most like in the xorg.conf file |
| 23:08.40 | Chocky | likely |
| 23:08.57 | Bubbi | Chocky: don't worry, i will soon.. :P But i'm just in the middle of getting WLAN working.. :) |
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| 23:09.26 | balrog-k1n | i believe it's matchbox that hides the cursor |
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| 23:09.37 | ab0oo | anyone know the secret to getting a keyboard working in ASU? I'm useless at googling |
| 23:09.44 | balrog-k1n | i thought kdrive doesn't use xorg.conf |
| 23:09.59 | Chocky | hm. |
| 23:10.17 | SirBob1701 | ab0oo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Keyboard_Toggle |
| 23:10.43 | SirBob1701 | ab0oo: you using the july 25th nuild? |
| 23:10.48 | SirBob1701 | err build |
| 23:10.56 | ab0oo | 23rd, I think |
| 23:11.25 | ab0oo | Snapshot-20080722-om-gta02 |
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| 23:11.54 | awesomo4k | crap i don't see any settings related to the mouse pointer |
| 23:12.29 | Bubbi | Is there a graphical WLAN application for the 2007.02 image..? |
| 23:12.30 | edistar | awesomo4k: what are you looking for? |
| 23:12.38 | awesomo4k | i want to see the mouse pointer |
| 23:13.12 | edistar | awesomo4k: there was something about that in the wiki.. you have to recompile kdrive afaik |
| 23:13.28 | awesomo4k | aargh. |
| 23:14.03 | rtm | Does anyone know where I can find a kernel for the neo1973 which has the software fix for the microSD-GPS interference? |
| 23:14.11 | balrog-k1n | awesomo4k: the pointer is visible by default |
| 23:14.15 | balrog-k1n | you don't need to recompile |
| 23:14.28 | awesomo4k | i can't see it when i use a mouse |
| 23:14.29 | balrog-k1n | before you launch qtopia or matchbox, which will hide it |
| 23:14.42 | awesomo4k | how do i get matchbox to unhide it |
| 23:14.55 | awesomo4k | trying to rock my 4 display synergy setup |
| 23:15.07 | balrog-k1n | hmm no idea |
| 23:15.10 | balrog-k1n | do you need matchbox? |
| 23:15.19 | awesomo4k | well a window manager is nice |
| 23:15.28 | balrog-k1n | :) |
| 23:15.32 | ab0oo | SirBob1701: that's pretty major surgery. I did it, but it didn't seem to work (error during the build) |
| 23:15.45 | awesomo4k | for... windows and stuff .. |
| 23:15.49 | ab0oo | sh: embryo_cc: not found |
| 23:15.49 | ab0oo | edje_cc: Warning. Compiling script code not clean. |
| 23:16.00 | StealthCP | Media player for OpenMoko? |
| 23:16.04 | StealthCP | one exist, or not? |
| 23:16.12 | SirBob1701 | ab0oo: huh got me |
| 23:16.20 | StealthCP | I'm interested to help develop one, or contribute to an existing project |
| 23:16.20 | balrog-k1n | awesomo4k: oh yea, those square things.. |
| 23:17.09 | ab0oo | I like the comment in the code, though... visible: 0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me. |
| 23:17.25 | ab0oo | so, whoever sean is, he put the screws to the rest of us. :) |
| 23:17.39 | SirBob1701 | lol ya there "design" lead wants the whole fing option gone |
| 23:18.05 | ab0oo | I suppose he has an alternate keyboard up his ... sleeve. |
| 23:18.16 | SirBob1701 | no |
| 23:18.18 | SirBob1701 | not at all |
| 23:18.36 | awesomo4k | so .. if i want to use a full size keyboard and mouse with fr it should unhide the mouse.. is that a bug or s feature |
| 23:18.43 | SirBob1701 | they want touse the standard illume keyboard that pops up when you need it |
| 23:18.54 | SirBob1701 | but a program needs to be specially written for it |
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| 23:21.14 | ab0oo | I guess I just need to fall back to the 2007.2 image and be patient. I love qtopia, but it's missing applications I need (specifically, an instant message client and a web browser) |
| 23:22.07 | ab0oo | ASU is just buggy. It might not be tomorrow, but today, it's just buggy. |
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| 23:22.46 | SirBob1701 | i use minimo as web browser |
| 23:24.10 | awesomo4k | what package is iwconfig in |
| 23:24.42 | safiiru | I don't seem to be able to install gcc on the FR. The package in the default repo does not install anything. Can anyone tell me which repo might have it and what the package name would be? |
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| 23:25.18 | ab0oo | SirBob1701: minimo works under QTopia? |
| 23:25.51 | SirBob1701 | yup |
| 23:26.10 | awesomo4k | i don't seem to have iwconfig on my system |
| 23:26.11 | awesomo4k | drat. |
| 23:26.19 | ab0oo | wow. just wow. and it shows up in the applications menu? |
| 23:28.39 | SirBob1701 | yup |
| 23:28.51 | awesomo4k | why would iwconfig go missing from a build? this is really odd. |
| 23:28.57 | ab0oo | I'm rebooting into Qtopia right now... |
| 23:29.15 | ab0oo | now, if I could just get something pidgen-ish... |
| 23:29.22 | ab0oo | irc-ish... |
| 23:33.14 | mmaestri | hi |
| 23:33.25 | mmaestri | pidgin is actually working |
| 23:33.35 | mmaestri | and so is irssi |
| 23:34.35 | ab0oo | mmaestri: pidgen under qtopia? |
| 23:35.23 | mmaestri | pidgin is working on 2007.2, and qtopia-x11 also has gtk, so i assume that it should work either |
| 23:35.55 | ab0oo | I was hoping for straight qtopia... |
| 23:36.07 | mmaestri | i don't know that one |
| 23:36.20 | ab0oo | me too either. I'll try now, though |
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| 23:38.05 | kd8ikt | pymail needs some love |
| 23:38.34 | kd8ikt | http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/pymail/ |
| 23:38.34 | tkep | so, is the asu known as the april or august update? |
| 23:39.05 | kd8ikt | august AFAIK |
| 23:39.28 | safiiru | Is it possible to have gcc installed on the FR? |
| 23:39.41 | tkep | ok, cool. i just started trying to get this thing going and am having a hard time finding concise directions for working with it :) |
| 23:39.48 | tkep | (neo freerunner that is) |
| 23:39.49 | jOERG_rw | autumn ;-) |
| 23:40.03 | tkep | the om2007.2 is starting to show a lot of bugs that i'm not liking |
| 23:40.11 | tkep | but i dunno if asu will fix anything |
| 23:40.29 | tkep | but it's probably all stemming from my noobness |
| 23:40.50 | kd8ikt | suspend/resume is kinda broken |
| 23:41.14 | tkep | kd8ikt, yeah, i've seen that. and my battery life is terrrrrible |
| 23:41.25 | kd8ikt | actully i dunno if it was ever really working |
| 23:41.43 | tkep | i could use it as a regular phone for now and then keep tinkering, but i don't want to keep switching back to my pebl for regular phone use |
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| 23:41.47 | niklauz | the new shipment isn't in yet? |
| 23:41.56 | tkep | i want this to be my phone and tinker in the evenings |
| 23:42.20 | kd8ikt | like after 5-10 min in suspend mine likes to wake itself up and present me with a white screen |
| 23:42.28 | araujo | niklauz, at least not yet available from the store |
| 23:42.29 | SirBob1701 | i tinker with it in the evenings and end up screwing it and having to reflash it messy messsy |
| 23:43.00 | tkep|fail | kd8ikt, i don't have that happening, but rather suspend happening even when i change the power settings to turn it off |
| 23:43.04 | kd8ikt | or after 5-10min of suspend i try to wake it up and all i get is that dreaded white screen that cant be fixed and needs a reboot |
| 23:43.07 | tkep|fail | SirBob1701, is there a good guide for flashing? |
| 23:43.13 | safiiru | Oh, I gcc did get installed, I just didn't install the symlinks package. |
| 23:43.52 | SirBob1701 | tkep|fail: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 23:44.13 | kd8ikt | i'll test suspend again now that i did an opkg upgrade |
| 23:44.59 | tkep|fail | SirBob1701, i have searched their site, but i guess in a not very good way. thanks |
| 23:45.22 | tkep|fail | i'm stuck to a point that i can't do an upgrade |
| 23:45.26 | tkep|fail | so flashing may be a better way |
| 23:45.31 | SirBob1701 | i don't mind its in my browser history :D |
| 23:45.46 | tkep|fail | well, in other news, i'm trying to get another site going that will be for noobs like me with the freerunner |
| 23:46.04 | tkep|fail | basically a more concise and collected wiki with a message board and community like feel that i think openmoko.org is lacking |
| 23:46.18 | tkep|fail | i'd like to make it so that my site is for users, and openmoko.org is for power-users and devels |
| 23:46.22 | tkep|fail | dumbed down guides and the like |
| 23:46.46 | tkep|fail | it's still well under works, but if you want to see it, feel free to go to www.freerunnerhq.com |
| 23:46.56 | tkep|fail | i still need to get the DB working for files and images |
| 23:47.02 | niklauz | araujo: lol we were talking about this last night, sad it's not available yet :( |
| 23:47.02 | tkep|fail | as well as finish the css for the main theme |
| 23:47.14 | araujo | niklauz, yeah :-[ |
| 23:48.25 | tkep|fail | so, if you flash the root FS, does that take care of everything of the OS? |
| 23:48.32 | tkep|fail | including kernel? |
| 23:48.34 | SirBob1701 | euck php site ;D |
| 23:48.39 | tkep|fail | :) |
| 23:48.50 | tkep|fail | it's just tikiwiki based |
| 23:49.22 | tkep|fail | but i'd really like to get some modified articles on there. such as this flashing page. it is very cryptic. you know exactly how to do what it says, but what are you doing? |
| 23:49.28 | ab0oo | SirBob1701: type slowly, so I really understand: Do you really use minimo with Qtopia (from Trolltech), or with the ASU release? |
| 23:49.43 | SirBob1701 | ab0oo: with ASU |
| 23:49.51 | ab0oo | <curse> |
| 23:50.01 | ab0oo | I was thinking with the Trolltech release |
| 23:50.07 | SirBob1701 | haha oh |
| 23:50.23 | *** join/#openmoko AntonTakk (n=AntonTak@64.81.101.148) |
| 23:50.38 | Chocky | tkep|fail: it doesn't do the OS. yes, many pages on the wiki suck. I'm trying to improve some of it. |
| 23:50.46 | Chocky | doesn't do the kernel, I mean |
| 23:51.13 | tkep|fail | Chocky, great, thanks. and if you want, as i said, i am more than willing to put in the majority of the work, but i'm trying to do that on another site |
| 23:51.23 | ab0oo | pouts |
| 23:51.31 | Chocky | smooches ab0oo |
| 23:51.34 | pantsd_ | anyone in seattle want to come raving? |
| 23:51.51 | Chocky | still wants a pants daemon |
| 23:51.53 | ab0oo | I'm not sure I swing that way, Chocky. But it's the thought that counts |
| 23:51.54 | tkep|fail | to make it so that many people, like me, who are seasoned linux users (hell, i work for a "well known linux company in Raleigh, NC), can easily and quickly follow |
| 23:52.05 | *** join/#openmoko michelecs (n=michelec@82.85.33.128) |
| 23:52.19 | Chocky | ab0oo: it's OSS. it's the thought. and quit pouting :o |
| 23:52.26 | ab0oo | tkep|fail: just how DO you get that koolaid down your throat? |
| 23:52.28 | pantsd_ | Chocky: you could go raving with the pants daemon :P |
| 23:52.36 | tkep|fail | so, by all means, feel free to edit that wiki and add it to my site |
| 23:52.49 | Chocky | turned down a job at a reasonably well known, but now sold out, Linux company in San Diego |
| 23:52.52 | tkep|fail | ab0oo, does it make you feel better that i don't use red hat at all? |
| 23:52.53 | tkep|fail | :) |
| 23:53.03 | ab0oo | (the fact that my not so well known company has paid your well-known company close to $500,000 for this year alone doesn't help) |
| 23:53.22 | ab0oo | tkep|fail's stock just went noticably higher in my book. |
| 23:53.26 | tkep|fail | :) |
| 23:53.31 | Chocky | and mine? ;o |
| 23:53.36 | pantsd_ | oh man I'm stuck with rhel3 on my box because of hobosauce :( |
| 23:53.45 | ab0oo | hobosauce? |
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| 23:53.52 | tkep|fail | pantsd_++ |
| 23:53.55 | tkep|fail | :) |
| 23:54.10 | Chocky | used to live but a mile from Steve MacIntyre, if that helps :p |
| 23:54.25 | tkep|fail | and i apologize for anything Red Hat may have done to anyone. but it feels good to be paid by an open source company as opposed to my last job... |
| 23:54.36 | tkep|fail | :-D |
| 23:54.37 | Chocky | tortures tkep for RPM. And Fedora. |
| 23:54.49 | awesomo4k | whats a pants daemon |
| 23:54.50 | ab0oo | and yum |
| 23:54.56 | tkep|fail | yum is yellow dog |
| 23:54.58 | pantsd_ | its goodtimes. I worked at Xandros once apon a blue moon, can't really hold anything against rh after that |
| 23:54.59 | tkep|fail | don't blame us |
| 23:55.00 | tkep|fail | :) |
| 23:55.05 | Chocky | and messing with binary formats without saying anything. |
| 23:55.13 | ab0oo | awesomo4k: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pantsd |
| 23:55.39 | Chocky | laffs |
| 23:55.39 | ab0oo | yum is evil. regardless of the source. |
| 23:55.40 | tkep|fail | notes that red hat contributes more to the kernel than anyone else...take that for what you will |
| 23:55.49 | Chocky | ab0oo: that would be my exact meaning |
| 23:55.52 | tkep|fail | and there are much worse "open" source companies out there |
| 23:55.54 | AntonTakk | anyone know how to change a ring/alert tone in qtopia? |
| 23:56.05 | Chocky | *cough*Google*cough* |
| 23:56.40 | tkep|fail | *cough*Novell*cough* |
| 23:56.41 | ab0oo | They Do No Evil!! |
| 23:56.41 | awesomo4k | ha ha pantsd. |
| 23:56.54 | Chocky | Linspire. |
| 23:57.01 | ab0oo | and I'll agree with the Novell comment. |
| 23:57.05 | *** join/#openmoko ajbrun (n=ajbrun@host86-151-145-26.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 23:57.19 | ab0oo | although, I would guess the worst seller-outer right now has to be negreponte |
| 23:57.29 | *** join/#openmoko rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@ip-89-102-255-171.karneval.cz) |
| 23:57.37 | Chocky | you missed the Linspire thing then ;-) |
| 23:57.47 | tkep|fail | you ought to hear the watercooler talk at Red Hat about negroponte |
| 23:57.55 | tkep|fail | negre* |
| 23:57.55 | awesomo4k | i tried to use mknod to create a device corresponding to my newly created partition on the sd card |
| 23:57.58 | ab0oo | "OLPC will never run Windows" "OLPC _might_ run windows" "OLPC can now dual boot" "In the future, OLPC will only run windows" |
| 23:58.02 | awesomo4k | and failed miserably. |
| 23:58.04 | Chocky | sekretly sold out to Xanadros (IIRC) without telling shareholders. And they also signed the MS thing with Novell |
| 23:58.11 | awesomo4k | i want 1.2.13 back |
| 23:58.21 | tkep|fail | considering it was based on fedora, and i work on the same floor as the fedora devs, man, that was a bad week when he announced that |
| 23:58.32 | Chocky | ab0oo: It's like a politician saying 4 times that he won't resign. |
| 23:58.41 | ab0oo | or has a wide stance. |
| 23:58.51 | Chocky | sticks with his Debian |
| 23:59.04 | AntonTakk | pfft@ debian ;) |
| 23:59.13 | tkep|fail | so yeah, anyway, not trying to start a distro war! |
| 23:59.18 | Chocky | *cough*ricers*cough* |
| 23:59.30 | Psi | interesting.. "Atheros Releases Free Linux Driver For Its 802.11n Devices" |
| 23:59.32 | ab0oo | I prefer this angstrom thing... :) |
| 23:59.44 | tkep|fail | i think we can all agree there |
| 23:59.45 | tkep|fail | :) |
| 23:59.51 | ab0oo | yeah, which doesn't appear to do ANYTHING for it's 802.11abg devices |
