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| 00:00.32 | BryceLeo | hello all |
| 00:00.41 | lolalol | what application keeps the address book ? e-addressbook-factory |
| 00:01.03 | lolalol | and the import sdript must be run from the terminal because it does X11 calls |
| 00:03.17 | DaveLab | o.O |
| 00:03.41 | DaveLab | kelvie, I heard a rumor about tomorrow... |
| 00:03.51 | DaveLab | Though I have no idea :) |
| 00:03.57 | kelvie_work | DaveLab: where from? :) |
| 00:04.08 | DaveLab | shop trolls, presumably |
| 00:04.16 | kelvie_work | mm |
| 00:04.29 | DaveLab | a couple different users came in this morning mentioning isn't there supposed to be a new shipment coming in tomorrow |
| 00:04.36 | kelvie_work | the 900s are I'm pretty sure |
| 00:04.37 | DaveLab | or they heard something like that, hence it being rumored :) |
| 00:04.46 | kelvie_work | don't know about the 850s |
| 00:04.49 | DaveLab | oh, okay, yeah but for 850's I don't know :) |
| 00:04.50 | DaveLab | :D |
| 00:04.57 | DaveLab | Who knows -- It's a mystery! |
| 00:05.01 | kelvie_work | yeah.. the guys at Koolu said they don't know either |
| 00:05.04 | kelvie_work | but the 900s are coming tomorrow |
| 00:05.13 | DaveLab | AH, okay |
| 00:05.16 | DaveLab | but who needs them? :P |
| 00:05.19 | kelvie_work | and the 900s will have the capacitor fix |
| 00:05.32 | DaveLab | ooh la la |
| 00:05.34 | DaveLab | which one? :P |
| 00:05.38 | DaveLab | (for what) |
| 00:05.43 | DaveLab | sd? |
| 00:05.53 | kelvie_work | yeah, the sdcard/GPS issue |
| 00:05.58 | DaveLab | OH |
| 00:06.00 | DaveLab | okay :p |
| 00:06.03 | DaveLab | goody |
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| 00:06.34 | fragged[away] | kelvie_work, are there many bugs? Also looking at getting an 850, but I'm unsure on whether to wait because of hardware issues with the phone |
| 00:06.41 | DaveLab | fragged! |
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| 00:06.51 | kelvie_work | fragged: just stuff I hear from the mailing list |
| 00:07.08 | kelvie_work | there's an audio issue with low impedance head phones.. and the SD card reader/GPS issue |
| 00:07.20 | kelvie_work | (for hardware issues anyways, I don't care about software issues :P) |
| 00:07.37 | fragged | DaveLab, Harrow! |
| 00:07.44 | DaveLab | hallow! |
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| 00:08.32 | trix | the SD+GPS issue was resolved for me in the most recent 2007.2 - i get fixes with an SD card in, now |
| 00:08.38 | mmontour | fragged: there's a "Freerunner Hardware Issues" wiki page that might be of interest. |
| 00:08.45 | DaveLab | clap clap |
| 00:08.51 | DaveLab | hells yeah there is! |
| 00:08.55 | DaveLab | Hello mountour :) |
| 00:09.05 | mmontour | Hi DaveLab |
| 00:09.27 | fragged | mmontour, cheers, I'll take a look at that :D |
| 00:09.36 | DaveLab | I still have to document those power issues -_- |
| 00:09.37 | DaveLab | uggh |
| 00:09.47 | DaveLab | wants to hire a slave |
| 00:10.15 | DaveLab | I think I am going to go down to the lobby and play Net. |
| 00:10.22 | DaveLab | nuclear_eclipse :p |
| 00:11.04 | DaveLab | I told one of my friends in the lab about you flashing your images and reverting back to gtk for Net, they laughed and smirked at me, since that's totally something I would have done :D |
| 00:11.20 | DaveLab | Now, time for some good Net-ing :) |
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| 00:28.00 | AntonTakk | asu is really nice once you install all the apps the image doesn't come with :) |
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| 01:04.16 | Dave | AntonTakk, well, yeah :P |
| 01:04.26 | Dave | Also that the ones that come with it kind of suck :) |
| 01:04.30 | Chocky | moo. |
| 01:04.45 | Dave | apt-dave moo |
| 01:05.12 | pepengmaghapon | :)aper!!!!!!! |
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| 01:05.31 | linuxxee | at$t sending me a sim that says 3g on it;/ |
| 01:05.37 | Dave | So? |
| 01:05.40 | Dave | What's wrong with that. |
| 01:05.48 | linuxxee | will it still work? |
| 01:05.58 | Dave | What type of 3G SIM is it? |
| 01:06.12 | linuxxee | y i dont know yet |
| 01:06.19 | linuxxee | brand? |
| 01:06.22 | Dave | It seems like nearly all the fireball SIMs work |
| 01:06.27 | cjb | Dave: that's not true |
| 01:06.34 | Dave | Most of them do! |
| 01:06.35 | cjb | I've had models of each fireball sim that haven't worked |
| 01:06.42 | cjb | the fireball sim I have now works occasionally |
| 01:06.44 | Dave | If you're worried, check the wiki. |
| 01:06.54 | Dave | cjb, heehee, sucky :P |
| 01:06.57 | linuxxee | so wat to do just keep sending them back? |
| 01:07.08 | cjb | the wiki says, for each fireball type, there are some reports of success and some of failure |
| 01:07.11 | Dave | Man, all I know is all of mine work, so I have never had a reason to complain in that department. |
| 01:07.15 | cjb | linuxxee: don't think they have any others |
| 01:07.17 | Zandini | Hello.. when I try to make a qemu image, i get this error message "s3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20". Does anyone know why this happens? |
| 01:07.20 | Dave | yeah, all i all, the hardware sucks :D |
| 01:07.29 | linuxxee | thats the picture i got |
| 01:07.47 | Dave | Well, it's also AT&T's fault too. |
| 01:07.53 | Dave | Which they sort of admitted. :p |
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| 01:08.17 | Dave | like, oh hey, by the way, we have non-standard SIMs... sssh, you're not supposed to know that :D |
| 01:08.22 | railer | anyone else having issues calling out? I call out it shows it's calling out but no dialling sound no ringing, and sometime it will call out like a minute later? but now all the time either, is it the phone or my provider |
| 01:08.25 | railer | ? |
| 01:08.52 | linuxxee | who is your provider |
| 01:09.00 | railer | fido |
| 01:09.04 | Dave | A minute is a long time... |
| 01:09.28 | railer | especially if you already hung up the call |
| 01:09.32 | Dave | I would probably scrutinize the phone. |
| 01:09.35 | Dave | hahaha :P |
| 01:09.43 | Dave | oh you're saying the dest rings a minute later? |
| 01:09.49 | Dave | or the phone calls (again?) |
| 01:10.00 | railer | the des ring a minute LATER |
| 01:10.07 | Dave | because shit like you hang up but the dest phone rings moments later, is very typical |
| 01:10.11 | Dave | that's common |
| 01:10.15 | Dave | or at least I am aware of it :) |
| 01:10.29 | Dave | It's likely a combination of both! |
| 01:10.32 | Dave | :D |
| 01:10.44 | Dave | Though I'm sure that news neither pleases nor amuses you. |
| 01:10.46 | Dave | :\ |
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| 01:11.06 | Zandini | In order to compile with gcc3, do I need to uninstall gcc4? |
| 01:11.14 | Dave | no |
| 01:11.22 | Dave | Just install the gcc-3.x libraries |
| 01:11.25 | Dave | (headers) |
| 01:11.25 | cjb | no, but you need to point whatever Makefile you're running to call "gcc3.X" |
| 01:11.30 | railer | ok so it's a phone thing, and yes that is annoying |
| 01:11.34 | Dave | There is usually a package available for that. |
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| 01:11.52 | railer | and that's the reason I kept my oldf phone |
| 01:11.59 | Dave | railer, it could also be your service provider has a significant lag time, but no more than say ten to fifteen seconds. |
| 01:12.00 | Zandini | hmm. okay. I am using MokoMakefile.. Does it automatically use gcc3? |
| 01:12.04 | Dave | :) |
| 01:12.12 | kelvie_work | Zandini: yes, if it can find it |
| 01:12.13 | Dave | It requires it. |
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| 01:15.30 | Zandini | Thanks.. Strange, I do have gcc-3.4 and gcc-3.4 installed. But still get the bad register error when running qemu flash command.. |
| 01:15.33 | ieatlint | man, the software on this phone is so broken... hehe |
| 01:16.02 | Dave | lintman! |
| 01:16.07 | Dave | oh, and yeah it is :P |
| 01:16.14 | ieatlint | when i try to run the sms app on 2007.2 now, i get a dbus error that tells me "Autolaunch requested, but X11 support not compiled in." |
| 01:16.19 | railer | I wish 10 to 15 seconds these calls never go out often |
| 01:16.24 | ieatlint | i'm rebooting.. hehe |
| 01:16.41 | railer | lint I have a report for you |
| 01:16.59 | Dave | oh, it was you requesting his presence, earlier! :) |
| 01:17.02 | ieatlint | oh? |
| 01:17.02 | Dave | I was just trying to remember :) |
| 01:17.12 | ieatlint | did you notice that the application dials that 1-900 number i set up? |
| 01:17.21 | railer | several suggestions for lint-wifi |
| 01:17.29 | Dave | o.O |
| 01:17.36 | Dave | lintwifi! |
| 01:17.42 | Dave | mmm... yum |
| 01:18.01 | Zandini | anyone else had a problem doing NAND programming for qemu? |
| 01:18.16 | railer | but I still can use it to connect |
| 01:19.18 | railer | sorry, still CAN'T use it to connect to wifi |
| 01:19.42 | ieatlint | so is your suggestion that it works? |
| 01:19.49 | railer | no |
| 01:19.55 | ieatlint | because i already have that on my list of suggestions |
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| 01:21.18 | railer | 1. make the wep wpa password non password, it's hard enough to enter the password without being able to check it, and if a guy is that close to read it you'll know. |
| 01:22.18 | Chocky | and don't, ahem, type your password into the channel |
| 01:22.55 | ieatlint | Chocky, i'll do as i please. |
| 01:23.13 | Chocky | doesn't matter, I already did it earlier :o |
| 01:23.33 | Chocky | and I'm once again reminded of that bash.org quote |
| 01:23.37 | peepsalot | checks his scrollback |
| 01:23.42 | ieatlint | heh, yay... running opkg upgrade just gives me a very long list of 404 errors now |
| 01:23.45 | railer | 2. the scan leaves a memory that hangs a around quite a while, you do a scan and move and scan in a completely different area and the old scan comes up |
| 01:24.00 | Dave | :) |
| 01:24.09 | Dave | Yay, let's all critizie lintwifi :D |
| 01:24.21 | ieatlint | railer, the scan on the ap list? |
| 01:24.32 | ieatlint | because the "conn" page is kinda cached |
| 01:24.46 | ieatlint | but the scan on the ap list updates every time, which is why it takes like 3 seconds |
| 01:24.46 | railer | no the scan |
| 01:26.37 | railer | faster scan would be nice, but ya I would scan, close the program, drive down the road, turn on the app again, and the original ap's would show again |
| 01:27.24 | ieatlint | faster scan isn't an option methinks |
| 01:27.37 | ieatlint | but i don't get how that could happen.. |
| 01:28.05 | railer | and this is not criticizing this is debugging report, the app itself is quite amazing, and ieatlint is some kind of programming guru if this is his first app, very well done |
| 01:28.32 | ieatlint | i'm no guru... :P |
| 01:28.38 | ieatlint | it's my first python app |
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| 01:29.01 | MrKeuner | hi, will there be a 4 band neo sometime? |
| 01:29.30 | ieatlint | MrKeuner, the freerunner never will be... as for future devices, their specs are unknown |
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| 01:30.23 | railer | the of course dream feature is an autoscan that will vibrate every time if finds an open connection. |
| 01:30.24 | chillywilly | is wpa currently broken? |
| 01:30.56 | Dave | haw |
| 01:31.08 | Dave | you cafe hunter :P |
| 01:31.11 | ieatlint | railer, that would be pretty easy, actually |
| 01:31.20 | Dave | yeah |
| 01:31.31 | ieatlint | you could write that in bash in just a minute or two |
| 01:32.07 | railer | you could I would need more time |
| 01:32.11 | Dave | Lint, Are patches welcome? :) |
| 01:32.49 | ieatlint | Dave, yes, although at the moment i will only apply them by hand |
| 01:32.51 | railer | but the ability to speed up the scan would be great, oh and if you click the scan enough times you'll crash the programs |
| 01:33.00 | Dave | well, yes :p |
| 01:33.10 | Dave | haha |
| 01:33.25 | Dave | MAN |
| 01:33.28 | Dave | Who wrote this!? |
| 01:33.34 | Dave | :P |
| 01:33.59 | raster | yo momma |
| 01:34.00 | peepsalot | who wrote what? |
| 01:34.07 | ieatlint | railer, "iwlist eth0 scan | grep off && echo 255 > /sys/class/leds/neo1973\:vibrator/brightness && sleep 3 && echo 0 > /sys/class/leds/neo1973\:vibrator/brightness" |
| 01:34.37 | railer | I'll copy that |
| 01:34.43 | ieatlint | that will vibrate the phone if an ap without encryption is in range, unless i typoed |
| 01:35.14 | ieatlint | yeah, it works |
| 01:36.10 | railer | cool does it loop? |
| 01:37.05 | ieatlint | while true; do iwlist eth0 scan | grep off && echo 255 > /sys/c |
| 01:37.05 | ieatlint | lass/leds/neo1973\:vibrator/brightness && sleep 3 && echo 0 > /sys/class/leds/ne |
| 01:37.06 | ieatlint | o1973\:vibrator/brightness ; sleep 5; done |
| 01:37.14 | ieatlint | err, minus the line breaks |
| 01:37.28 | ieatlint | replace "sleep 5" with your own interval |
| 01:37.33 | ieatlint | ctrl+c to stop |
| 01:37.50 | railer | spam jogging nice |
| 01:39.11 | ieatlint | sadly, my priorities are not to aid people in wardriving at the moment |
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| 01:39.36 | trix | still, that's pretty nice of you ieatlint |
| 01:39.40 | ieatlint | i want to finish up lint-wifi and then get my toolchain set up properly so i can better compile apps for it |
| 01:39.48 | Dave | heh |
| 01:39.48 | carrar | There's already a wheel for that |
| 01:40.02 | Dave | hoenoes, it's raster |
| 01:40.12 | ieatlint | for what, carrar ? |
| 01:40.15 | raster | Dave: i deny that allegation. |
| 01:40.17 | railer | this would be more war jogging, little too for war driving, beside I already have war driving down smooth |
| 01:40.19 | Dave | ieatlint, yeah, that would be nice :) |
| 01:40.20 | carrar | ... wardriving |
| 01:40.21 | Dave | raster, haha! |
| 01:40.22 | kd8ikt | so hows it commng along lint? |
| 01:40.26 | Dave | carrar, yeah yeah |
| 01:40.31 | Dave | kd8ikt: haha |
| 01:40.35 | ieatlint | kd8ikt, there's a wiki page up now |
| 01:40.39 | Dave | ieatlint: now we're all harassing you! |
| 01:40.44 | Dave | Muwahahaha |
| 01:40.53 | gopi | Not directly related to this channel, but...does anybody here use Scratchbox and know how to get a big endian toolchain working? |
| 01:40.56 | ieatlint | if i get off my ass, i might actually finish it today |
| 01:41.18 | raster | Dave: vicious rumors spread by my competitors them is! |
| 01:41.52 | ieatlint | i'm also pretty annoyed that the phone says i have 2 unread sms, but its messages app closes the instant i start it so i can't read them |
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| 01:43.03 | peepsalot | is there an application that can determine frequency of a tone coming from the microphone |
| 01:43.05 | railer | lintwifi looks damn good! |
| 01:43.06 | ieatlint | "Failed to get dbus connection: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch requested, but X11 support not compiled in." ... i mean, wtf? |
| 01:43.12 | kd8ikt | i always get issues with wifi crapping out on me after trying to re associate with another AP |
| 01:43.37 | Dave | raster >:) |
| 01:43.42 | kd8ikt | need a tried and true verified processes of resetting wifi |
| 01:44.26 | Dave | power off power on? |
| 01:44.31 | Dave | clap on, clap off! |
| 01:44.32 | Dave | :D |
| 01:44.38 | Dave | oh hot, I wonder if I could code that! |
| 01:44.40 | kd8ikt | tried it |
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| 01:45.09 | ieatlint | lol |
| 01:45.15 | sandman__ | anyone know how to add parameters to the boot process |
| 01:45.23 | peepsalot | kinda cool the vibrator is adjustable speed, i wonder if it could play a simple song |
| 01:45.48 | peepsalot | could make beats to go along with ringtones |
| 01:46.03 | ieatlint | peepsalot, yeah, that kind of idea crossed my mind |
| 01:46.13 | ieatlint | you could create a program that indexes an audiofile |
| 01:46.36 | ieatlint | so that you could make a player that both played the file and used the index to send numbers to the vibrator |
| 01:47.20 | peepsalot | what do you mean index it? would that be in a separate file, or embedded somehow |
| 01:47.35 | Dave | please don't |
| 01:47.37 | ieatlint | i also want to get neverball on the thing, if even possible... hook it up to the accelerometer for input |
| 01:47.38 | Dave | I'll kill you! |
| 01:47.51 | peepsalot | Dave me, why? |
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| 01:48.09 | Dave | Long story |
| 01:48.17 | Dave | involves a lawsuit and a vibrator |
| 01:48.20 | raster | involving yo momma |
| 01:48.22 | Dave | let's leave it at that ;p |
| 01:48.26 | Dave | raster IF ONLY |
| 01:48.27 | Dave | :D |
| 01:48.28 | ieatlint | sounds kinky |
| 01:48.30 | Dave | right |
| 01:48.31 | raster | hahaha |
| 01:48.32 | peepsalot | lol |
| 01:48.56 | raster | wonders... |
| 01:49.13 | raster | shouldi export virtual keyboard hint control to the ecore_evas api... |
| 01:49.26 | raster | or leave it at the x api... |
| 01:49.33 | raster | as x is theonly thing implementing it... |
| 01:49.43 | raster | bah |
| 01:49.46 | raster | humbug |
| 01:49.51 | raster | i'll leave it where it is |
| 01:49.53 | raster | its clean |
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| 01:53.01 | Dave | Mr. Raster |
| 01:53.24 | raster | aye sir! |
| 01:53.47 | Dave | I need full power, Mister Raster! |
| 01:54.09 | raster | aye aye capn '! |
| 01:54.16 | Dave | :) |
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| 01:55.28 | mmontour | peepsalot: you could use 'jaaa' (spectrum analyzer) to measure a tone from the microphone |
| 01:56.24 | raster | Dave: i canna give it no moar capn'.., i jast doooont have tha powrrr! |
| 01:56.28 | peepsalot | mmontour, where do i get that? |
| 01:57.37 | mmontour | it's in OE so you should be able to build it with 'bitbake jaaa'. dunno if there are pre-built binaries anywhere |
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| 01:58.48 | railer | TTt |
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| 01:59.01 | railer | oops |
| 01:59.11 | mmontour | it's a GUI app and it may not work well on the Freerunner's screen. I ran it over ssh + X11 forwarding from my PC |
| 02:05.22 | roh | won the battle.. now attending the next one... to win the war |
| 02:06.48 | Dave | haha raster:) |
| 02:06.55 | Dave | go roh! |
| 02:06.58 | Dave | you can do it! |
| 02:07.15 | kd8ikt | ieatlint: |
| 02:07.36 | kd8ikt | do you really need a build env for that? its just a few py scripts right? |
| 02:07.57 | kd8ikt | though it is always nice to have it in a pkg |
| 02:08.14 | ieatlint | i can package things into ipkg without a toolchain methinks |
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| 02:08.42 | ieatlint | but i don't particularly like python... it serves a purpose, for sure, but i prefer low level languages |
| 02:09.04 | ieatlint | plus, i want to be able to compile applications for the FR as i see fit... (such as bluez with alsa support) |
| 02:09.06 | kd8ikt | yeah something compiled |
| 02:09.31 | kd8ikt | pluss it'll end up using a smaller ram footprint |
| 02:09.36 | railer | ieatlint, would a low level lang, speed a scan? or just too much work? |
| 02:10.02 | kd8ikt | anyway i got that icon img if ya want |
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| 02:10.33 | kd8ikt | http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/ |
| 02:11.29 | kd8ikt | probably would look better with the inside parts colored white i knoticed its hard to read unless its highlighted |
| 02:11.52 | kd8ikt | <transparent background> |
| 02:12.00 | ieatlint | railer, well, the overall application would be faster |
| 02:12.08 | ieatlint | but the scan is performed by wpa_supplicant -- not me |
| 02:12.19 | ieatlint | and i don't think it could be made any faster |
| 02:12.23 | kd8ikt | yeah so it'll still take a few sec's |
| 02:12.49 | railer | I thought you could do java on thing thing? |
| 02:13.29 | ieatlint | uhm, i'm told there is a java runtime for it |
| 02:13.43 | ieatlint | but i personally despise java, and it is most definitely not a low level language |
| 02:13.56 | kd8ikt | yes, it can be compiled though |
| 02:13.57 | railer | it is complied |
| 02:14.05 | ieatlint | kinda |
| 02:14.16 | kd8ikt | still has to be run under the java_vm |
| 02:14.17 | ieatlint | it still requires an interpreter |
| 02:14.30 | ieatlint | so it's not a binary executable |
| 02:14.35 | kd8ikt | :P to java |
| 02:14.44 | ieatlint | python can also be compiled |
| 02:14.58 | kd8ikt | oh yeah it can cant it?! |
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| 02:16.06 | kd8ikt | so when do we get a working copy? |
| 02:16.14 | railer | build java jsf apps right now |
| 02:16.51 | ieatlint | oh, i have a perfectly working copy right here, i just hate all you so i'm giving you broken copies only |
| 02:17.10 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 02:17.13 | railer | lol |
| 02:17.17 | kd8ikt | dick! |
| 02:17.22 | roh | Dave heh.. nothing complicated.. just weird... got a machine with ipmi 1.5 and couldnt' ignore that thing having lots of thermal monitoring |
| 02:17.54 | kd8ikt | ever think of adding it to the main package git tree? |
| 02:18.36 | Dave | :] |
| 02:18.52 | kd8ikt | or like tangogps and that fullkeyboard pkg hosted on their main respective sites |
| 02:20.50 | kd8ikt | anyway i'll bookmark the wiki page and check it for updates/links |
| 02:21.33 | ieatlint | i'm more thinking about finishing it |
| 02:22.05 | ieatlint | although, oddly, thinking about it is really just procrastination |
| 02:22.47 | kd8ikt | heh gonna pull an allnighter? |
| 02:23.18 | kd8ikt | Thu Jul 24 22:33:51 EDT 2008 |
| 02:23.37 | kd8ikt | ugh i think my time is off |
| 02:23.55 | kd8ikt | oh no its right i though it said 24 but thats that date not the hour |
| 02:30.31 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8ac571bf63d4 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): and update to latest efl and illume that uses vkbd wrappers in ecore_x. |
| 02:30.32 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r02b3d9ddccf7 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
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| 02:34.17 | linuxxr | angstrom-version - 1:P1-Snapshot-20080424-r1 |
| 02:34.35 | linuxxr | is that an uptodate package? |
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| 02:37.34 | Dave | :] |
| 02:39.11 | AntonTakk | any of you know if asu's util that lsts you setup gprs connections works? |
| 02:39.19 | AntonTakk | lets* |
| 02:39.30 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r11bfec48bde6 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up to 169... to match typo fix in ecore |
| 02:40.51 | DasSchizy | just got my freerunner today, i'm really excited! what's everybody working on top of -- 2007.2, ASU, or FSO? |
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| 02:41.28 | kd8ikt | me? 2007/SHR |
| 02:41.32 | AntonTakk | i'm using asu full time as my only cell phone |
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| 02:42.04 | DasSchizy | what about the core developers -- what are they spending their time on? |
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| 02:42.43 | AntonTakk | i believe - short term: asu, long term: fso |
| 02:43.05 | DasSchizy | k |
| 02:44.54 | linuxxr | where is a list of updated packages foe the stock install |
| 02:45.07 | Chocky | opkg update && opkg upgrade |
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| 02:45.19 | AntonTakk | beat me to it Chocky :) |
| 02:45.22 | linuxxr | the list |
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| 02:45.49 | linuxxr | guess im not configuried right yet |
| 02:46.23 | peepsalot | my freerunner seems to make crackling and popping sometimes when it plays the touchscreen tap sound |
| 02:46.56 | araujo | greets raster |
| 02:50.10 | AntonTakk | peepsalot: i have had that before in 2007.2's media player running under asu - no idea what caused it |
| 02:50.11 | raster | greets araujo |
| 02:50.19 | peepsalot | :-/ |
| 02:50.21 | araujo | :-] |
| 02:51.39 | raster | blames Dave |
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| 02:54.16 | citizen42alpha | hello moko |
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| 02:57.51 | ZimCS | 850's are in stock? website doesn't show that |
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| 02:58.36 | cjb | they ran out again |
| 02:58.59 | Dave | kekeke |
| 02:59.36 | raster | i ate them all |
| 02:59.38 | raster | *burrp* |
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| 03:02.29 | ZimCS | what kind of browser is used? |
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| 03:02.50 | Dave | :O |
| 03:03.44 | adsllc | Anybody here installed the GPS capacitor hardware fix? |
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| 03:04.38 | raster | ZimCS: thats a bit up in the air last i checked. |
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| 03:04.49 | raster | right now i know asu doesnt ship with a browser |
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| 03:05.14 | raster | beats me what else is being used. |
| 03:05.14 | adsllc | I did it this afternoon - it's even tougher than it looks. |
| 03:05.26 | adsllc | I only lost 2 capacitors in the attempt - third time's the charm! |
| 03:06.20 | raster | adsllc: good you didnt lose 2 freerunners in the attempt... :) |
| 03:07.00 | adsllc | Yea - it was fun though. The darn caps are so small they would stick to whatever I tried to hold them down or place them with. |
| 03:07.27 | ZimCS | just curious, i need a new phone at the end of august and tonight is the first i have heard of the neo freerunner |
| 03:07.52 | raster | ZimCS: some people use the freerunner as a primary phone |
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| 03:08.05 | orzo | hello |
| 03:08.07 | raster | but as such i'd highly suggest u get a backup phone... |
| 03:08.08 | raster | :) |
| 03:08.10 | AntonTakk | ZimCS: the rest are cowards! ;) |
| 03:08.17 | ZimCS | hah |
| 03:08.21 | adsllc | As of today, I wouldn't recommend the FR as a daily use phone. |
| 03:08.31 | raster | basically the software is stil not al lthere |
| 03:08.35 | raster | if u want a reliable phone... |
| 03:08.42 | raster | FR isnt there yet |
| 03:08.48 | raster | tho it will improve over time |
| 03:08.48 | ZimCS | i'll hold off then |
| 03:08.56 | orzo | Is there a place where i can download the pkg-config files for openmoko? So that i can set cflags and such when building an ap? |
| 03:09.18 | raster | orzo: why arent u using openembedded? |
| 03:09.23 | adsllc | orzo: you want to build/create a single app? Or do you want to use a whole image? |
| 03:09.29 | raster | orzo: and why would u want to set the cflags? |
| 03:09.46 | raster | tat sjhouldbe dynamically determined at build time with openembedded |
| 03:09.49 | orzo | i want to build a single ap and i need to set the linker flags for gstreamer |
| 03:09.55 | adsllc | orzo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Developing_a_single_application |
| 03:10.22 | orzo | "however as an application programmer, you should not be using OpenEmbedded. " |
| 03:10.28 | adsllc | It's not as simple as some pkg-config files. |
| 03:10.31 | raster | u really dont want to go harcoding pkgconfig output into a build file (makfile etc.) |
| 03:10.52 | raster | yup |
| 03:10.53 | adsllc | orzo: skip down to "Basic toolchain usage" |
| 03:10.56 | raster | its a LOT more |
| 03:11.14 | raster | my SUGGESTIOn is to just get a whole openembedded (openmoko) tree to build |
| 03:11.20 | raster | it allows u to be upt ot date |
| 03:11.33 | raster | and gives u a huge set of examples to work off in the tree |
| 03:11.37 | raster | when building .bb files |
| 03:11.40 | adsllc | orzo: What distribution are you running? |
| 03:11.49 | orzo | unbuntu |
| 03:11.51 | raster | in the long run - it'll be easier |
| 03:12.17 | adsllc | The mokomakefile may work OK for you - it's been a pain (mostly inoperative) for me with Fedora. |
| 03:12.17 | raster | and yes - i know. if al u want to do is build a single app thats a mountain of crap to downlod and build first |
| 03:12.34 | raster | but right now the OS images are heavily moving targets |
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| 03:12.56 | raster | adsllc: i use mokoemakefile on ubuntu |
| 03:12.57 | orzo | what does om-conf do? |
| 03:12.58 | raster | works ok |
| 03:14.12 | orzo | i had mokomakefile running but it made no output and I thought it was hung and stopped it |
| 03:14.39 | orzo | well, it made some output, but it stopped outputting |
| 03:14.51 | orzo | without a "please wait" or anything |
| 03:14.55 | orzo | heh |
| 03:16.25 | orzo | I think om-conf is what i needed |
| 03:18.26 | adsllc | It's coming back to me (it's been a few days) - but I think that om-conf ran autotools and ./configure for you - don't run ./autogen.sh again. I believe the note questioning whether it's out of date is correct. |
| 03:18.40 | adsllc | If you confirm that it's not needed, please update the page. |
| 03:20.21 | orzo | it failed for a similar reason that autogen.sh failed for me when i ran it myself |
| 03:20.34 | orzo | it doesn't know about gstreamer |
| 03:20.41 | orzo | do i have to download gstreamer and build it? |
| 03:21.39 | adsllc | standby. |
| 03:22.53 | raster | for action |
| 03:23.19 | orzo | my build of openmoko-mediaplayer2 plays only a brief blip of each track. It uses gstreamer. |
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| 03:24.16 | adsllc | Mine does pretty much the same thing usually. I don't think audio is particularly stable yet. |
| 03:24.35 | orzo | well i can play stuff from teh command line |
| 03:24.44 | adsllc | You may want to try compiling on the FR itself - 'opkg install gstreamer-dev' should work. |
| 03:24.57 | orzo | its not a freerunner |
| 03:25.01 | orzo | its neo1973 |
| 03:25.43 | orzo | i'm supprised you suggest compiling on it.. gcc isn't even installed |
| 03:26.00 | adsllc | I have no experience with the 1973 |
| 03:26.29 | orzo | is gcc installed on the FR? |
| 03:26.31 | adsllc | 'opkg update ; opkg install gcc gstearmer libc6-dev' doesn't do anything for you? |
| 03:26.42 | adsllc | orzo: not by default, but it's in the repo. |
| 03:26.52 | peepsalot | is there a wiki page that explains how to interact with the various devices? for example reading touchscreen input? |
| 03:27.18 | adsllc | peepsalot: not that I know of, but it should be standard X11. |
| 03:27.20 | orzo | I don't think i want to install build tools on it |
| 03:27.31 | orzo | i want a cross build environment |
| 03:27.36 | raster | orzo: s perfectly possible to do so |
| 03:27.48 | orzo | ok |
| 03:27.49 | raster | orzo: often a native build env - though REALLY slow is the easiest |
| 03:28.08 | raster | then again openembedded doesnt make things fast.. if u are doing development |
| 03:28.19 | raster | if u nfs mount your dev directoyr/source |
| 03:28.24 | raster | and maybe /usr/local |
| 03:28.27 | raster | onto the FR |
| 03:28.31 | raster | via wifi or usbnet |
| 03:28.47 | raster | then u'll have pretty much unlimited storage |
| 03:29.08 | raster | u can edit your source on your deskto as normaland simply have an ssh session onto the Fr to type "make && make install" |
| 03:29.18 | raster | its not that clean |
| 03:29.32 | raster | but if u want to have a simple dev system that works... with minimal hassles |
| 03:29.42 | raster | its probably the easiest way to go |
| 03:29.56 | DasSchizy | hi, i'm trying to setup WPA. i created wpa_supplicant.conf but it just says "No lease, failing" -- with verbose, i see "run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with return code 1" |
| 03:29.59 | raster | with a script or 2 u can make it all almost automated |
| 03:30.17 | orzo | have you done it |
| 03:30.33 | adsllc | DasSchizy: I see the same with no ill effect - my WPA works fine, usually on the fourth DHCP request. |
| 03:30.57 | raster | orzo: no i havent - not on the FR, but i have done it on other embedded systems with much less cpu and massively less flash! |
| 03:31.21 | DasSchizy | adsllc: hmm, do i need to ifdown usb0 for it to work? i have both usb0 and eth0 up |
| 03:31.36 | adsllc | DasSchizy: No need to ifdown usb0. |
| 03:32.21 | DasSchizy | adsllc: okay, what do you mean by on the fourth DHCP request? i see "Sending discover..." x3 and then "No lease, failing" |
| 03:32.57 | raster | orzo: i do ssh into my fr a lot tho and have auotmated setup ot usb0, routing, nat, masquerading etc. |
| 03:33.09 | raster | so its a 1 line script to ssh into my FR when i plug it in. |
| 03:33.46 | adsllc | I see 4 "Sending discover..." lines then IP addresses start to get assigned. |
| 03:33.50 | adsllc | Are you using the default image? |
| 03:34.00 | DasSchizy | yeah, i just unpacked the freerunner |
| 03:34.21 | linuxxr | ping: bad address 'www.yahoo.com' |
| 03:34.29 | raster | (and i havent customised my fr os etc. config because i reflash at least 2 or 3 times a day... |
| 03:34.32 | raster | if not more |
| 03:34.40 | linuxxr | cant reach the outside world |
| 03:34.58 | adsllc | DasSchizy: have you done the 'opkg upgrade' thing yet? |
| 03:35.11 | Dave | Aww, poor raster. |
| 03:35.12 | linuxxr | tried |
| 03:35.13 | DasSchizy | adsllc: no, not yet, let me try that |
| 03:35.16 | Dave | introduces Raster to Net |
| 03:35.24 | Chocky | nothing but raster |
| 03:35.32 | raster | Dave: net? |
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| 03:35.48 | Chocky | trashy American culture reference |
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| 03:36.13 | raster | stares bemusedly wondering what net might be... |
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| 03:37.58 | nullpuppy | hrm |
| 03:38.15 | nullpuppy | is there any actual explanation anywhere on building the uImage image? |
| 03:38.48 | nullpuppy | wants to combine mwester's kernel suspend fixes with the latest gps fixes |
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| 03:45.09 | swc|666 | nullpuppy: yes |
| 03:45.27 | swc|666 | http://stian.lunafish.org/blog-20080615-1.php |
| 03:45.50 | swc|666 | i've built my kernels with debian lenny |
| 03:46.14 | nullpuppy | swc|666: sweet. thanks |
| 03:46.23 | swc|666 | u need uboot-mkimage package |
| 03:46.28 | swc|666 | np ;) |
| 03:47.09 | swc|666 | nullpuppy: also once u get the make part, do another unset LDFLAGS for good measure |
| 03:47.16 | nullpuppy | alright. i'll look for that in a bit. gotta do a git clone first, and find the damn patchsets i need;) |
| 03:47.22 | nullpuppy | k |
| 03:48.47 | kd8ikt | where are the patches? |
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| 03:48.57 | kd8ikt | they arent incorporated into the latest image? |
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| 03:49.42 | ryansv_ | hello there |
| 03:51.02 | Cthobs | How do you get the ASU to put the FR in stand by mode? Is that what "suspend after blank" is supposed to be doing? |
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| 03:52.13 | AntonTakk | what font package do I need to have text in gtk apps appear as something other than blocks? |
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| 03:54.47 | martianpenguin | has anyone been able to get an ATT 71234 D 2022 SIM Card to work? |
| 03:56.00 | kd8ikt | AntonTakk: what app speciffically? |
| 03:56.12 | AntonTakk | tangogps and agpsui |
| 03:56.36 | kd8ikt | what rootfs? its not 2007 is it |
| 03:56.42 | AntonTakk | no, asu |
| 03:59.26 | kd8ikt | you know thats like an year old right? |
| 03:59.36 | AntonTakk | what is? |
| 04:01.42 | ryansv_ | Hi everybody, hope you've been enjoying your FreeRunners. I was wondering if anybody had found out about warranty information for the GTA02 which I purchased direct from the online store((http://us.direct.openmoko.com/) I see "Return Policy --14 day DOA (Single Pack)" but here are no links to any information about what to do if there is a problem. Unfortunately for me, the AUX button on my phone is broken, and I would prefer to |
| 04:01.42 | ryansv_ | fix it under a warranty if I have one. Am I allowed to open the case to diagnose the problem myself or would it void the warranty? Who do I contact at openmoko to ask, I've sent multiple emails to all of the mailing lists on the "contact us" page, and have only just received a response today (3 days later) and only now to be told that they will forward my email to a person who can help. Sorry for such a long post, any info at al |
| 04:01.43 | ryansv_ | l would be helpful :) |
| 04:01.55 | kd8ikt | jesus christ |
| 04:02.07 | ryansv_ | lol, sorry :) |
| 04:02.16 | yakischloba | that deserves a pastie. |
| 04:02.32 | kd8ikt | noshit the hole net is gonna lag now |
| 04:02.57 | kd8ikt | whole |
| 04:03.27 | Stroller | ryansv_: There isn't much else to be done, sorry. The "contact us" page or @openmoko addresses are the only ones who can say for sure. Although someone @openmoko has posted on -community stating that opening the case doesn't void the warranty. Search for yourself to be sure, tho' ;) |
| 04:04.07 | kd8ikt | didnt the neo's ship outside of their cases? |
| 04:05.03 | ryansv_ | Thanks, I looked through the community list and saw that, but thats the only info elsewhere I've found. I just wanted to get confirmation before I try to fix it myself. |
| 04:05.31 | Stroller | ryansv_: sorry, most everyone on here are just end users. |
| 04:05.53 | kd8ikt | i disagree |
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| 04:06.20 | Stroller | I think that if you opened your case & Openmoko refused to honour your warranty you could cite that message, but personally I'd just return it & let them fix it |
| 04:06.47 | martianpenguin | how do i connect the gsm modem? or figure out if my sim card works or not... |
| 04:06.52 | kd8ikt | just tear the sucker open, most exotic tool you'll need is a torx wrench |
| 04:07.58 | ryansv_ | A 6x40 torx wrench, went to home depot and picked up a set yesterday |
| 04:08.05 | kd8ikt | stroller i'm gonna quote those comments and laugh at em for a long long time |
| 04:08.21 | Stroller | which ones are those? |
| 04:08.27 | kd8ikt | * |
| 04:08.38 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 04:08.53 | nullpuppy | personally, i don't think many of us are 'just end users' |
| 04:08.56 | ryansv_ | So anyways, how are the other images, I'm dying to try them but I can't flash my freerunner without the use of my aux button |
| 04:09.09 | Stroller | nullpuppy: do you work for Openmoko? |
| 04:09.14 | nullpuppy | Stroller: nope |
| 04:09.27 | nullpuppy | Stroller: i wouldn't mind that though. |
| 04:10.05 | Stroller | Well, then, from a warranty perspective you are just an end-user. A "buyer" if you prefer. But you're not able to legally give ryansv_ advice about his warranty, are you? |
| 04:10.15 | kd8ikt | seriously if your afraid to crack the case open then wtf did you buy one, i mean its up in lights practicaly that this is more or less a beta device |
| 04:10.33 | BryceLeo | raster headed out? |
| 04:10.34 | kd8ikt | if you want a warranty go buy an iphone |
| 04:11.17 | wastrel | i am just an enduser |
| 04:11.26 | wastrel | but that's why i haven't bought one yet :] |
| 04:11.31 | cjb | wastrel: why would you buy this phone, then? |
| 04:11.31 | nullpuppy | Stroller: sure, i'm not legally able to give legal advice about the warranty, but then, i wasn't commenting (at least not directly) on that anyways |
| 04:12.06 | Stroller | kd8ikt: oh, naff off. I'm shitty at soldering, there's no chance of me fixing surface mount. If the phone's arrived broken then why should I try? |
| 04:12.22 | nullpuppy | Stroller: and even then.. lots of people are only messing with the software and have no interest in necessarily opening the thing up (at least not yet( |
| 04:12.30 | ryansv_ | I wasn't expecting to find legal advice anyways, just wondering if anybody else had tried looking into it |
| 04:12.35 | kd8ikt | who said anything about solder? |
| 04:13.00 | Stroller | nullpuppy: exactly. That's why I wouldn't bother opening it. |
| 04:13.03 | cjb | Stroller: I don't think he was giving legal advice; it seemed clearly his personal opinion to me. |
| 04:13.37 | nullpuppy | ryansv_: from what i've heard on the ML, they are working on a way to do the hw fix. and from the sounds of it, they are more then open to letting you open it up and fix it yourself |
| 04:13.52 | nullpuppy | give me a moemnt and i'll fidn the thread |
| 04:14.11 | Stroller | cjb: *sigh* what is this gang up on Stroller day? I was just saying that none if us work for Openmoko |
| 04:14.12 | ryansv_ | wow, that would be great |
| 04:14.49 | Stroller | They're working to do a hardware fix on the AUX BUTTON, nullpuppy ? |
| 04:15.23 | ryansv_ | So... I'm fairly sure the aux button wasn't soldered on to the board fully, which is surface mount, and it's 4 pins. I'm not well skilled with a soldering iron, and I definitely don't have a fine enough tip or steady hand to comfortably solder my new toy :) |
| 04:15.43 | nullpuppy | Stroller: aux button? oh... |
| 04:15.47 | Stroller | :P |
| 04:15.48 | nullpuppy | that i have no flipping clue about |
| 04:15.50 | nullpuppy | ;) |
| 04:15.53 | nullpuppy | whats up with that? |
| 04:16.11 | nullpuppy | ryansv_: where abouts are you located? |
| 04:16.27 | ryansv_ | Massachusetts, USA |
| 04:16.39 | ryansv_ | you? |
| 04:16.50 | nullpuppy | and as i was mentioning.. this is for the GPS fix.. buit still... http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-community/2008/7/22/2623094 |
| 04:16.59 | nullpuppy | (long thread though.. but thats the post i was refering to) |
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| 04:17.07 | nullpuppy | and i'm roughly in Seattle, WA |
| 04:17.09 | nullpuppy | UAS |
| 04:17.13 | nullpuppy | *USA |
| 04:18.09 | ryansv_ | oh, I have some family out there :) |
| 04:18.19 | nullpuppy | awesome ;) |
| 04:18.41 | ryansv_ | I should go out and visit them someday :P |
| 04:18.46 | nullpuppy | indeed ;) |
| 04:19.00 | kd8ikt | i have a soldering iron that could solder two gnats dicks together |
| 04:19.07 | daMaestro | so far, i'm not at all impressed with the appearance of the invisible shield |
| 04:19.25 | daMaestro | hopefully over night it cures and looks better |
| 04:19.25 | kd8ikt | hows it with glare? |
| 04:19.39 | daMaestro | have not tested yet |
| 04:19.44 | daMaestro | just got done applying it |
| 04:19.48 | kd8ikt | recheck the screen in sunlight |
| 04:19.48 | wastrel | i used to live in MA |
| 04:19.59 | kd8ikt | if so i might grab one |
| 04:20.19 | daMaestro | yeah, i'll be able to take pictures of the neo1973 v the freerunner with the invisible shield |
| 04:20.26 | daMaestro | i got the full body coverage, though |
| 04:20.41 | daMaestro | recommendation: do the edges first to learn how to work with the material |
| 04:20.50 | ryansv_ | daMaestro: did you get the full body or just screen shield? |
| 04:20.58 | daMaestro | i [sorta] screwed up my from cover one |
| 04:21.02 | daMaestro | ryansv_, full body |
| 04:21.34 | ryansv_ | daMaestro: yeah, I would love to see pics of it, I've been thinking about getting one myself |
| 04:21.37 | nullpuppy | ryansv_: oh, btw, do you have a debug board? |
| 04:21.52 | ryansv_ | nullpuppy: no, unfortunately |
| 04:21.55 | daMaestro | ryansv_, i might have really screwed up the one that goes over the screen |
| 04:22.05 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 04:22.06 | daMaestro | so i might be buying another one of those (assuming it want to keep it) |
| 04:22.25 | daMaestro | it takes some skill to put it on correctly |
| 04:22.45 | nullpuppy | ryansv_: and, i'm sorry, i didn't hear what the exact problem you were having.. what exactly is going on? |
| 04:22.57 | ryansv_ | daMaestro: oh, well my roommate who also has the device bought the screen shield, so I can convince him to put pics online if he does a good job |
| 04:23.00 | daMaestro | ryansv_, kd8ikt overall it seems like it's going to be worth the money... but let me test it for a while and see what i think |
| 04:23.27 | daMaestro | ryansv_, yeah.. i have one air bubble (very small) that might piss me off a lot |
| 04:23.59 | pengrate | Err.. okay, I'll bite. Why does the topic say 850s in stock, but I don't see purchase options on the website? |
| 04:24.27 | ryansv_ | nullpuppy: The aux button on my phone doesn't respond.. I think it's due to it coming off the board because of a bad soldering job initially |
| 04:24.27 | Chocky | cos no one change the topic yet |
| 04:24.29 | daMaestro | it's actually been a lot of work, more then i would have wanted to do |
| 04:24.51 | pengrate | Ah, okay, thanks |
| 04:25.04 | nullpuppy | ryansv_: ok, so it doesn't work in any context? (like even after the phone is booted up with the factory firmware) |
| 04:26.27 | ryansv_ | nullpuppy: nope, no response, no click... and sometimes I can hear button occasionally rattle around in the case |
| 04:26.37 | nullpuppy | ryansv_: ok. damn :/ |
| 04:26.49 | nullpuppy | tried emailing the support list? |
| 04:27.01 | ryansv_ | daMaestro: ok, thanks for the warning, I'll pass it on to my roommate |
| 04:27.22 | Chocky | installs task-openmoko-qtopia-x11 |
| 04:27.31 | Chocky | list is full of crap and people who have no clue how to use email. |
| 04:27.32 | ryansv_ | nullpuppy: yup, tried all the mailing lists on the "contact" page |
| 04:27.44 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 04:29.56 | ryansv_ | from Chelsea Wei <chelsea@openmoko.com> cc"Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu)" <tony@openmoko.com> Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:31 PM subject Re: Fwd: Warranty Question - FreeRunner AUX button not responding --- Hi Ryan, I am forwarding your request to Tony Tu, our customer support. He will be able to help you. Thanks for your interest in our project! -Chelsea Wei Openmoko, Inc. |
| 04:29.57 | wastrel | i've always hated screen protectors |
| 04:30.08 | wastrel | customer support <3 |
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| 04:30.51 | Sonicadvance1 | sddgfadgdsf |
| 04:30.54 | Sonicadvance1 | oh |
| 04:31.03 | Sonicadvance1 | It said Ryan which is why it flashed |
| 04:32.01 | nullpuppy | ryansv_: awesome. good luck then. |
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| 04:36.43 | Chocky | and just like that, I have qtopia without reflashing :o |
| 04:37.16 | linuxxee | SO Can u use soapy water to correctly install the protector? |
| 04:37.22 | ieatlint | i love bitwise operators |
| 04:37.31 | Chocky | inverts linty |
| 04:37.48 | linuxxee | like a decal? |
| 04:38.11 | linuxxee | shorting the device is bad |
| 04:38.29 | ieatlint | if( rand_bool ) rand_bool=0;else rand_bool = 1; becomes rand_bool ^= 1; |
| 04:38.36 | Chocky | http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=asu&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2 |
| 04:38.37 | Chocky | er. |
| 04:39.06 | fragged | Will the emulation on computer be significantly slower than the device itself? I tried it out and it ran at snails pace O.o |
| 04:39.14 | Chocky | yes. |
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| 04:42.04 | railer | ieatlint you have an update of lintwifi? |
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| 04:45.38 | linuxxee | http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/openmoko-neo-freerunner-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php |
| 04:46.35 | ieatlint | i've been coding |
| 04:46.46 | ieatlint | i am implementing one more thing, and then you'll have an update |
| 04:46.56 | ieatlint | it now much better supports connecting and the like :P |
| 04:47.22 | railer | ok |
| 04:47.37 | ieatlint | the password popup will have a toggle to hide/show the password, and to save the password in the wpa config file |
| 04:47.50 | ieatlint | it'll also now start wpa_supplicant and udhcpc if you don't have it already running |
| 04:50.34 | railer | excellent! |
| 04:50.43 | ozzloy | i'm trying to boot from sd. i'm getting a whole bunch of "mmcblk0: error -110..." can i get help trouble shooting? |
| 04:51.08 | railer | I did add the matchbox kb |
| 04:52.05 | ieatlint | yeah, i need to lookup the api to trigger the keyboard popping up |
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| 04:52.54 | railer | k |
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| 04:56.28 | kd8ikt | nice |
| 04:57.50 | ieatlint | i don't know how well it supports wep... wep is kinda funky, someone will have to tell me how it goes |
| 04:58.05 | ieatlint | when i release it, i'll pretty much only be able to confirm that it works with wpa |
| 04:58.08 | Chocky | haz wep |
| 04:58.14 | pantsd_ | anyone have any expierence building C++ apps with the OpenMoko toolchain? |
| 04:58.24 | pantsd_ | I can't get it to find the iostream library :P |
| 04:59.08 | kd8ikt | isnt hard to fire up wep real fast but i highly doubt it'll have problems |
| 04:59.44 | kd8ikt | dude i fricken hate the toolchain |
| 04:59.54 | kd8ikt | cant compile crap |
| 05:00.01 | CaptObviousman | hasn't tried it yet, but doesn't look forward |
| 05:00.21 | Chocky | Dave. |
| 05:01.17 | pantsd_ | hrms |
| 05:01.27 | pantsd_ | should I use something else to build my packages? |
| 05:01.27 | Chocky | wants a pants daemon |
| 05:02.26 | linuxxee | looks like the freerunners are supposed to arive today |
| 05:02.33 | linuxxee | in usa |
| 05:03.45 | pantsd_ | ohs |
| 05:03.48 | Chocky | headset for your FR: http://shopping.yahoo.com/?name=woot#woot |
| 05:03.51 | pantsd_ | I allready have my US free runner :P |
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| 05:04.01 | Chocky | already has mine. |
| 05:04.26 | pantsd_ | I feel kind of bad for takeing all the bad unboxing photos and then being on slashdot :P |
| 05:04.35 | pantsd_ | I probably should have figured out how to use my camera first.... |
| 05:04.47 | dino- | I've been wandering around the wiki and have a quick question.. |
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| 05:05.35 | dino- | I see screeshots showing many apps in the Today but I only have 5 things in mine. Is it all added with ipkg? |
| 05:05.49 | dino- | This is new FR just arrived today. |
| 05:06.01 | dino- | Should I blast a new OS image on there? |
| 05:06.04 | Chocky | opkg is the tool |
| 05:06.10 | Chocky | for starters, yes |
| 05:06.27 | dino- | How can I find out what is installed on it? |
| 05:06.35 | Chocky | opkg list_installed |
| 05:06.46 | dino- | ah, I think I have 'ipkg' on the brain from the N770 |
| 05:07.05 | dino- | But the overall OS version, is there something in /etc ? |
| 05:07.47 | Chocky | look at /etc/issue |
| 05:08.05 | gambler | so how bad is the openmoko sw from a nontechie POV? |
| 05:08.15 | Chocky | real bad ;-) |
| 05:08.22 | Agrajag- | gambler: horrible :P |
| 05:08.22 | Chocky | wait a few months |
| 05:08.37 | gambler | :p |
| 05:08.41 | dino- | But man when you see the boot messages scrolling on that tiny screen. Fantastic. |
| 05:08.46 | dino- | I want everything to run Linux. |
| 05:09.19 | gambler | what is the responsiveness like? I saw a video of GTA01 and i was shocked at how sluggish it was |
| 05:09.31 | dino- | I hadn't been able to read it yet but there's some ascii art something when I shutdown in the messages. awesome |
| 05:09.38 | nullpuppy | dino-: still pretty crappy, but its getting better |
| 05:09.54 | dino- | nullpuppy: no no, I love it already |
| 05:10.08 | nullpuppy | erm, that should have been directed to gambler |
| 05:10.15 | nullpuppy | i apparently can't read tonight ;) |
| 05:10.18 | dino- | Already worked as a phone with my sim, sms too. |
| 05:10.21 | Chocky | I still have no idea what "Exposure" does |
| 05:10.22 | dino- | How cool is that. |
| 05:10.33 | nullpuppy | dino-: awesome, same here;) |
| 05:11.14 | dino- | In any case, that was my main question: brand new FR, blow away the OS with new? yes |
| 05:11.24 | Chocky | or opkg update if you want |
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| 05:11.48 | dino- | opkg update && opkg upgrade ? |
| 05:11.50 | Chocky | that's "easier", but might take just as long |
| 05:11.55 | gambler | why all the seperate software stacks? it seems really flip floppy bad |
| 05:11.56 | Chocky | you might have to upgrade dropbear first |
| 05:13.13 | nullpuppy | gambler: 2007.2 is the original, ASU is an interim update, FSO is the target |
| 05:13.14 | dino- | Chocky: Ok, so opkg install dropbear |
| 05:13.23 | dino- | Then opkg upgrade ? |
| 05:13.31 | Chocky | try this: |
| 05:13.34 | Chocky | opkg update |
| 05:13.36 | nullpuppy | essentially... they decided fixing 2007.2 was too difficult and should start from scratch to make soemthing good and usable. |
| 05:13.41 | gambler | what is FSO is that the qtopia stack? |
| 05:13.46 | Chocky | opkg install dropbear >/dev/null 2>&1 & |
| 05:13.47 | nullpuppy | no |
| 05:13.52 | nullpuppy | FSO is freesmartphone.org |
| 05:13.52 | Chocky | ssh back in |
| 05:13.56 | Chocky | opkg upgrade |
| 05:14.03 | nullpuppy | ASU == openmoko's qtopia stack |
| 05:14.07 | nullpuppy | 2007.2 == gtk |
| 05:14.20 | nullpuppy | then qtopia itself has a build as well ;) |
| 05:15.09 | dino- | Chocky: ok, thank you |
| 05:15.15 | gambler | meh, what does FSO use opengl? |
| 05:15.28 | dino- | Curious, why the redirection during dropbear install? |
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| 05:15.49 | Chocky | to detach. it might not be required any more |
| 05:21.10 | ryansv_ | has anybody attempted to get wine to compile on any of the stacks? |
| 05:21.14 | ieatlint | lol |
| 05:21.18 | Chocky | no! |
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| 05:21.27 | ieatlint | ok, so with the keyboard auto-popping up for lint-wifi |
| 05:21.27 | Chocky | someone please explain ARM |
| 05:21.40 | ieatlint | turns out if the password is visible, the keyboard auto pops up |
| 05:21.54 | dino- | I saw the video of OpenMoko running on the Palm TX, kind of unbelievable! |
| 05:21.59 | ieatlint | if it is not visible (****..), the keyboard won't show itself |
| 05:22.03 | dino- | I pretty much gave up on all Palm everything so long ago. |
| 05:22.17 | railer | that's funny |
| 05:22.40 | railer | 2 birds with one line of code |
| 05:23.21 | Chocky | Qtopia still annoys the hell out of me |
| 05:24.37 | dino- | hm, a lot of "Failed to download" stuff from that opkg update. Is that normal? |
| 05:24.41 | ieatlint | i'm just testing my own code, working out syntax errors |
| 05:24.45 | Chocky | maybe |
| 05:24.49 | ieatlint | new version will be out very soon |
| 05:24.51 | kd8ikt | helps to barm binariese able to see your pass |
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| 05:33.13 | AntonTakk | ah, problem was pango needed pango-module-basic-* :) |
| 05:33.22 | dino- | Ah, that ascii art in /etc/issue for Angstrom is what I was seeing briefly during shutdown. |
| 05:33.41 | orzo | hello |
| 05:34.06 | orzo | i tried to install gllin from the wiki-linked ipkg file |
| 05:34.13 | AntonTakk | i saw someone mention mplayer for the fr earlier - is there a gui? and how does it perform? |
| 05:34.16 | orzo | opkg is complaining about "invalid magic" |
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| 05:35.12 | kd8ikt | orzo: FYI gllin is only for gta01 |
| 05:35.21 | orzo | a gta01 is what i have |
| 05:35.27 | orzo | am i the only one who uses it anymore? |
| 05:35.31 | mickeyl | morning |
| 05:35.39 | dino- | Hm, upgrade says nothing to be done. |
| 05:37.32 | dino- | What version should I have seen from that dropbear upgrade? It says I have 0.49-r1 |
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| 05:40.14 | orzo | ok |
| 05:40.16 | orzo | nevermind |
| 05:40.38 | dino- | orzo: :( I just got a gta02 today |
| 05:40.41 | orzo | i used wget to grab the ipk and it saved an html file with that name |
| 05:40.59 | orzo | i just read something on the wiki about the gps interfering with the flash card |
| 05:41.09 | orzo | is that out of date? (i mean for gta02) |
| 05:41.13 | kd8ikt | heh just watched harold & kumar |
| 05:41.27 | Stroller | orzo: it's completely fixed in software, I think |
| 05:42.27 | orzo | do they still sell gta01s? |
| 05:42.42 | Stroller | No |
| 05:44.16 | nullpuppy | i forget, is the andy tree up to date with the sdcard/gps fixes? |
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| 05:44.58 | orzo | they really should give the gta01 owners a deal on gta02 |
| 05:45.50 | ozzloy | what is the dhcp client on freerunner? |
| 05:45.55 | kd8ikt | udhcpc |
| 05:45.56 | mickeyl | udhcpc |
| 05:46.21 | ozzloy | thanks |
| 05:46.28 | dino- | Hm, not sure what to do. opkg won't install anything. Says everything is up to date. |
| 05:46.48 | Stroller | orzo: would be a nice gesture, but Openmoko prolly aren't rolling in money right now. They already cut the price of the FR down to the bine |
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| 05:47.13 | orzo | how much is it |
| 05:47.20 | orzo | 400? |
| 05:47.26 | Stroller | $400, I think |
| 05:47.29 | dino- | yes, 400 |
| 05:47.35 | Stroller | £272 from a reseller, inc VAT |
| 05:51.11 | ieatlint | python be acting weird |
| 05:51.20 | dino- | Oh, this could be because I can't get to anywhere from the FR. I wonder if I need to do the iptables things too. |
| 05:51.45 | ieatlint | x = "2.422" ; print x.strip(".") == "2.422" |
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| 05:52.12 | ieatlint | does .strip only work on alnum? or does it work on punctuation and women, too? |
| 05:52.25 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 05:52.30 | dino- | mm, you have to do the resolv.conf business on the FR? |
| 05:53.50 | fragged | ieatlint, try help(x.strip) I dont think it does what you want. A small hackaround with my bastardized skills would be x.split('.', '') x=x[0] |
| 05:54.08 | mickeyl | Bla bla |
| 05:54.11 | mickeyl | oops |
| 05:54.14 | mickeyl | wrong windo |
| 05:54.16 | ieatlint | that wouldn't work |
| 05:54.30 | ieatlint | i could use split as hack-around, but strip does work as i think it does |
| 05:54.37 | ieatlint | hell, in the docs they demonstrate it |
| 05:54.59 | ieatlint | 'www.example.com'.strip('cmowz.') == 'example' |
| 05:55.19 | ieatlint | right there, removing a period |
| 05:55.37 | cjb | strip only works on the beginning and end chars of strings |
| 05:55.48 | dino- | Very late, have to go. Thank you for the help. |
| 05:55.58 | kd8ikt | weird |
| 05:56.14 | ieatlint | oh... now that makes sense now |
| 05:56.42 | cjb | x.replace(".", "") |
| 05:56.49 | ieatlint | yep, already writing it :) |
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| 06:02.44 | jakobsg | I am trying to boot up in qtopia via MicroSD on neo - I have done all the steps from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner, but when I boot I get a "kernel panic" |
| 06:04.00 | jakobsg | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2) |
| 06:05.53 | ozzloy | i'm getting 404 on every .sig, so opkg update fails. how do i fix that? |
| 06:06.06 | Fossi | ozzloy: it doesn't fail |
| 06:06.13 | Fossi | there just aren't any sigs on the server |
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| 06:06.56 | rivalarrival | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.07 | ozzloy | Fossi: is there a way to know that opkg update actually worked? |
| 06:07.47 | Fossi | ozzloy: upgrade? well, if it only says that the sigs failed and no packages.gz, then everything is ok |
| 06:08.15 | ozzloy | not upgrade, update |
| 06:08.53 | ozzloy | oh upgrade is doing lots of things |
| 06:08.54 | Fossi | yes. a way to find out is to upgrade |
| 06:09.32 | ozzloy | am i possibly upgrading to an unstable version? |
| 06:10.24 | Fossi | well, currently my updated openmoko doesn't start X, but i have loads of other repositories and packages installed |
| 06:10.30 | Fossi | so i can't really tell ;) |
| 06:10.33 | ozzloy | is scared |
| 06:10.49 | Fossi | well, there's nothing that can't be turned back |
| 06:10.55 | ozzloy | oh? |
| 06:11.03 | jakobsg | does anyone have comments to my problem? |
| 06:11.13 | jakobsg | kernel panic |
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| 06:11.21 | ozzloy | jakobsg: i am unable to boot from sd either |
| 06:11.37 | ozzloy | jakobsg: oh you might have the wrong fs |
| 06:11.42 | AntonTakk | havent tried booting from sd |
| 06:12.10 | ozzloy | jakobsg: you need to make sure you have the right ext |
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| 06:12.30 | jakobsg | thats what I'm trying, but my extn wont get mounted during boot |
| 06:12.43 | jakobsg | I have tried both ext2 and ext3 |
| 06:12.56 | ozzloy | jakobsg: the vfs thing means you don't have the filesystem drivers compiled into the boot image i think |
| 06:13.23 | ozzloy | technically i can boot from sd, but i don't get passed the boot screen |
| 06:13.51 | jakobsg | But the boot image is delivered in the qtopia tarball |
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| 06:14.21 | ozzloy | jakobsg: i've been trying to boot 2007.2, don't know about the qtopia tarball |
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| 06:14.57 | ozzloy | do i want to keep /etc/pulse/default.pa or do i want to install the package maintainer's version? |
| 06:15.12 | Fossi | depends |
| 06:15.25 | ozzloy | i didn't make any changes to it |
| 06:15.29 | Fossi | if you changed it, you should prolly have a look at the changes |
| 06:15.32 | ozzloy | but some script might have? |
| 06:15.38 | Fossi | if you didn't you want the new version |
| 06:15.43 | Fossi | well, have a look |
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| 06:16.27 | ozzloy | i'm looking, but i don't really know what the differences mean |
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| 06:16.45 | Fossi | well, then either understand them, or just do whatever |
| 06:16.56 | Fossi | and repair afterwards if there are problems ;) |
| 06:17.06 | ozzloy | heh, ok |
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| 06:18.21 | Fossi | phew, cancelled support-list membership |
| 06:18.29 | Fossi | much too much traffic |
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| 06:19.33 | dejones | Anyone figure out a fix to the buzzing interference for the Freerunner? |
| 06:19.39 | peepsalot | how can i start a gui app on phone from a remote shell? |
| 06:19.58 | AntonTakk | DISPLAY=:0.0 command |
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| 06:20.08 | ozzloy | http://pastebin.org/56903 can someone look at that and tell me which one i want? |
| 06:20.09 | dejones | I tried taking out the SD card, but that did not stop the buzzing interference sound for me or the person on the other side of the phone call. |
| 06:20.16 | ozzloy | i need hand holding on this one |
| 06:20.26 | rivalarrival | dejones: It'll probably be fixed about the same time as the feedback on speakerphone |
| 06:20.27 | ozzloy | or could someone explain what the differences are? |
| 06:20.56 | rivalarrival | ozzloy - looking |
| 06:21.22 | dejones | rivalarrival: Oh? Do they expect a software fix for it? |
| 06:21.34 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: thanks! |
| 06:21.47 | ozzloy | screen is handy for this |
| 06:21.49 | rivalarrival | dejones: Software fixes it on every other phone - it's just noise from the GSM radio. |
| 06:21.59 | AntonTakk | dejones: i have never encountered either of those problems, thou feedback on speaker phone I have |
| 06:22.24 | ozzloy | it looks like rather than hard coding the paths, things are being checked more abstractly |
| 06:22.46 | dejones | rivalarrival: Ahh. Is there a patch or "opkg upgrade" that I can install to fix it? |
| 06:22.51 | ozzloy | and error checking on whether to load the esound module |
| 06:23.05 | rivalarrival | dejones: Not that I know of... In the meantime, try a different image - Qtopia was much louder than ASU for me. |
| 06:23.11 | dejones | AntonTakk: There seems to be a bug report about it, and I am having the same problem. http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/883 |
| 06:23.24 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: I'm having issues with pastebin... |
| 06:23.53 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: do you prefer some other one? |
| 06:24.06 | dejones | rivalarrival: which image do you recommend...? |
| 06:24.34 | ozzloy | or ... what do you mean? |
| 06:24.35 | rivalarrival | I haven't experimented to much... Lot of people like Qtopia, lot like ASU. |
| 06:24.55 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: Like, it's not loading. |
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| 06:25.28 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: kk, hold on i'll paste it elsewhere |
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| 06:26.29 | AntonTakk | i may have to try qtopia this weekend |
| 06:26.31 | ozzloy | http://rafb.net/p/B6HLNd84.html rivalarrival |
| 06:26.38 | AntonTakk | asu works great for me thou |
| 06:26.45 | AntonTakk | aside from being a bit slow |
| 06:27.25 | dejones | I think I'll try ASU. :) |
| 06:28.02 | dejones | I guess there isn't a "stable" build of ASU yet? |
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| 06:29.20 | AntonTakk | no, but asu is more stable than win mobile was for me |
| 06:29.36 | ozzloy | is that a high bar? |
| 06:29.41 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: Huh. Looks like you got a problem there. Hope you figure it out! (Sorry, it's over my head) |
| 06:29.53 | dejones | AntonTakk: I just want the buzzing interference to go away... |
| 06:29.54 | dejones | :) |
| 06:30.11 | AntonTakk | ozzloy: unfortunately, not really, was rebooting win mobile several times a day |
| 06:30.19 | rivalarrival | dejones: If you shut off the GSM radio, the buzzing should go away. ;-) |
| 06:30.31 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: heh. that's cool. i'll just go with the maintainer's version |
| 06:30.32 | AntonTakk | reboot the fr maybe once every three days, max |
| 06:30.40 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: thanks for looking though |
| 06:30.40 | dejones | rivalarrival: Haha. That's not helpful. :P |
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| 06:31.02 | blackthorne | hi |
| 06:31.15 | blackthorne | is it possible somehow |
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| 06:31.26 | rivalarrival | dejones: It's not my fault if you didn't clearly describe the problem! :) |
| 06:31.27 | blackthorne | to receive sms messages in my computer threw the cell phone? |
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| 06:32.49 | ozzloy | blackthorne: you could ssh into the phone and probably read the sms messages wherever they're stored on the cell |
| 06:32.50 | AntonTakk | blackthorne: i know there is a gnome/*nix app for it using bt, but not sure the om software will work with it atm |
| 06:32.52 | dejones | rivalarrival: Have you tried the Qtopia image? |
| 06:33.15 | blackthorne | i am speaking to you |
| 06:33.23 | blackthorne | because my cell phone is damaged |
| 06:33.28 | ozzloy | man i hope this upgrade doesn't comletely brick my fr |
| 06:33.34 | blackthorne | it works, except the screen |
| 06:33.41 | rivalarrival | dejones: I tried it for a few days - I liked it, it seemed more mature than the other images. |
| 06:33.50 | blackthorne | which means that only SMS messages are not possible to use |
| 06:34.13 | dejones | rivalarrival: but, you changed to a different image later? or are you still using the Qtopia image? |
| 06:34.18 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: It's pretty hard to brick it with the NOR uboot. |
| 06:34.52 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: i don't know how to flash just yet |
| 06:34.57 | rivalarrival | dejones: I went to ASU because it seemed like most of the development was in that area. |
| 06:35.04 | ozzloy | maybe that would be easier than trying to boot microsd? |
| 06:35.20 | ozzloy | has anyone here flashed the fr? |
| 06:35.31 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: It was about the easiest thing I've ever done. Downloaded two files, ran two commands in the shell |
| 06:35.46 | ozzloy | interesting |
| 06:36.00 | AntonTakk | from what i have read, the only way to truely brick the fr (can't even be fixed with jtag) would involve damaging the cirtuitry |
| 06:36.02 | dejones | rivalarrival: ASU is not very usable with your finger? Even for tasks like dialing? |
| 06:36.08 | blackthorne | ssh seems to solve it |
| 06:36.11 | ozzloy | i'm going to have to try it tomorrow then. |
| 06:36.30 | AntonTakk | dejones: i can dial with fingers just fine here |
| 06:36.38 | rivalarrival | dejones: Seems OK to me. |
| 06:36.39 | AntonTakk | dejones: using daily from 7/15 |
| 06:36.52 | dejones | :) |
| 06:36.54 | dejones | thanks |
| 06:37.02 | dejones | thanks AntonTakk and rivalarrival |
| 06:37.04 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: will you be on in about 20 hours? |
| 06:37.21 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: Probably... Hold on a sec |
| 06:37.22 | AntonTakk | welp, night all |
| 06:37.32 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: and if so, can you walk me through flashing? |
| 06:37.32 | rivalarrival | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner ozzloy |
| 06:37.35 | ozzloy | AntonTakk: night |
| 06:37.57 | ozzloy | i've read that, but i'm a scaredy cat |
| 06:38.04 | AntonTakk | got to go to work so i can pay cell phone bills so i can have service so i can convince my self to buy the next om device :) |
| 06:38.34 | ozzloy | and it's late. so i'm going to be leaving as soon as i attempt to reboot after this opkg upgrade. whether it works or not |
| 06:38.35 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: You can't break it without exceptional effort. |
| 06:39.05 | rivalarrival | Worst case, you have to pull the battery to shut it down. |
| 06:39.09 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: what's that quote about building a better idiot? that idiot is me |
| 06:39.30 | ozzloy | but hey, i got the wifi up and running |
| 06:39.52 | rivalarrival | Well, unless you try to reprogram it with a hammer, I think you're safe. |
| 06:39.53 | ozzloy | so at least i can use that to opkg upgrade |
| 06:39.57 | ozzloy | hehe |
| 06:40.02 | railer | Pulling the battery seems very safe, I pull my battery all the time. |
| 06:40.02 | ozzloy | that reminds me... |
| 06:40.34 | ozzloy | http://blog.kiniek.eu.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/asus_repair_kit_big.jpg |
| 06:41.03 | railer | I pull my battery a couple times a day... I find it relaxing, solves a lot of problems... |
| 06:41.25 | rivalarrival | railer: I haven't had to pull my battery in a few days. |
| 06:41.25 | ozzloy | yeah, i pulled the battery a couple times when trying to boot from microsd |
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| 06:42.09 | ozzloy | probably shouldn't do it during the middle of an upgrade though. |
| 06:42.20 | rivalarrival | that's what I need to do - get SD boot working |
| 06:42.24 | ozzloy | this is taking quite a lot longer than i expected |
| 06:42.35 | railer | True, if your booty call goes wrong, just pull your quitbattery |
| 06:42.35 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: if it's plugged in, it's fine - pull it. :-) |
| 06:42.49 | ozzloy | i can read from sd just fine when booted normally |
| 06:43.05 | ozzloy | my booty calls went *so* wrong |
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| 06:43.37 | ozzloy | yeah, i like how you can swap out battery if usb is plugged in. that's nice |
| 06:43.40 | railer | the joke was funnier but I got 2 chats mixed up |
| 06:43.42 | rivalarrival | But you're using the stock boot image... that might be a problem. |
| 06:44.30 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: nah, swapping battery while usb powered worked fine out-of-box |
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| 06:44.49 | ozzloy | but i wasn't able to boot with just usb power |
| 06:44.55 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: No, weren't you saying you had problems with SD boot? |
| 06:45.00 | jakobsg | ozzloy: following this guide http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner seems to end in a kernel panic |
| 06:45.16 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: yeah, but i was trying to boot the latest daily build |
| 06:45.23 | ozzloy | well, from july 22 or so |
| 06:45.57 | ozzloy | jakobsg: good to know. that's what i'm afraid of |
| 06:46.03 | rivalarrival | jakobsg: I had that hapen to me - turned out I was using the wrong rootfs file. |
| 06:46.22 | ozzloy | jakobsg: what do you mean "seems to" have you experienced it yourself? |
| 06:46.49 | jakobsg | yes, I have used hours now |
| 06:46.52 | ozzloy | see that's the kind of stuff i'm hoping to avoid by getting help from you guys |
| 06:47.05 | ozzloy | jakobsg: are you esl? |
| 06:47.19 | jakobsg | tried both ext2 and ext3 and on two different MicroSD cards |
| 06:48.33 | ozzloy | jakobsg: if you're getting vfs, i think that's a pretty clear indicator that the image your using doesn't have the right fs compiled. it can't be a loaded module, it has to be in the kernel i think |
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| 06:48.52 | doc|home | has anyone received a response from sales@openmoko.com .... ever? |
| 06:49.05 | ozzloy | it can't be a module, because it would have to read the module off the filesystem... catch 22 |
| 06:49.07 | railer | lol |
| 06:49.20 | rivalarrival | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card |
| 06:49.46 | jakobsg | rivalarrival: which rootfs did you end up using? |
| 06:50.17 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: yeah, that's the page i'm working from, but getting an io error after the literal boot screen |
| 06:50.21 | rivalarrival | The .jffs2 file for the internal, the tar.gz is for the sdcard |
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| 06:50.38 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: Have you updated uboot? |
| 06:51.10 | rivalarrival | Some versions of u-boot (including the one shipped on the first batch of Freerunners) may not work properly for booting from SD card. Daily images on buildhost with a timestamp of "20080723" or newer should be OK. |
| 06:51.26 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: no. oh really? |
| 06:51.52 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: well updating uboot also scares me, and will have to wait until tomorrow |
| 06:51.58 | rivalarrival | Yeah, the latest version fixes some other problems too. |
| 06:52.00 | ozzloy | oh this is such fun aggravation |
| 06:52.20 | ozzloy | i knew i was going to be frustrated by this phone and spend hours working on it. |
| 06:52.24 | jakobsg | rivalarrival: I created a tar.gz file from the .jffs2 file as described in the guide |
| 06:52.26 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: seriously, it's a piece of cake. And if it fails, you've got a read-only backup |
| 06:52.28 | ozzloy | i've learned quite a bit |
| 06:52.30 | BlackFog | morning |
| 06:53.09 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: cool cool |
| 06:53.15 | ozzloy | but this upgrade is still going |
| 06:53.42 | ozzloy | actually i can't wait for this any more. i hope it's done when i wake up. |
| 06:53.48 | ozzloy | thanks rivalarrival |
| 06:53.49 | rivalarrival | night! |
| 06:53.50 | ozzloy | gnight |
| 06:54.09 | jakobsg | rivalarrival: Could you post the exact url to the download to use for SD booting |
| 06:54.27 | jakobsg | i mean the qtiopia download url |
| 06:54.44 | rivalarrival | jakobsg: I've never got it working, but hang on a sec |
| 06:56.40 | rivalarrival | jakobsg: Ok first, I'm using this wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images#Qtopia_image_from_qtopia.net |
| 06:56.49 | rivalarrival | http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=68 |
| 06:56.56 | wastrel | hi dudes |
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| 06:57.02 | rivalarrival | That second link will redirect to the tgz file. |
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| 06:57.29 | jakobsg | ok thanks |
| 06:58.18 | rivalarrival | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia |
| 07:00.03 | ieatlint | it's the errors i don't understand that hang me up |
| 07:00.18 | ieatlint | any of my testers around? |
| 07:00.36 | rivalarrival | Testers? |
| 07:01.09 | rivalarrival | Damnit, 3am. Gnight, all |
| 07:01.14 | ieatlint | yeah, i need someone to run 2 commands on their phone and tell me the results, and if they think there is a problem with the commands |
| 07:01.41 | mbuf | which order do the batteries go in the stylus? |
| 07:02.05 | ieatlint | + faces the tip of the pen/stylus, - faces the laser/led |
| 07:02.08 | railer | shoot lint |
| 07:02.11 | orzo | my gps isn't working (gta01) |
| 07:02.21 | orzo | i see nothing in /tmp/nmeaNP |
| 07:02.23 | ieatlint | railer, you need wpa_supplicant running |
| 07:02.27 | orzo | and gpssight doesnt work |
| 07:02.34 | ieatlint | then "wpa_cli add_network" |
| 07:02.40 | ieatlint | it'll respond with a number |
| 07:03.06 | ieatlint | "wpa_cli set_network number ssid something" (replace the number with the number from the first command) |
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| 07:03.47 | railer | this local or through usb? |
| 07:03.52 | ieatlint | usb works |
| 07:05.01 | ieatlint | ahh, i see the problem, nm |
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| 07:05.39 | mbuf | there are only two batteries right? |
| 07:05.48 | ieatlint | i think 3 |
| 07:06.01 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8d24972ce512 10/framework/ (3 files in 2 dirs): odeviced: the audio module now uses the generic asyncworker |
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| 07:07.28 | mbuf | ieatlint, found the third one; somehow i unscrewed it, and all batteries went rolling all over the floor |
| 07:07.48 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:08.21 | Fossi | mbuf: 4 actually |
| 07:08.36 | mbuf | searches for the fourth one |
| 07:08.51 | Fossi | it's easiest to first pile them up and put the end over them, then turn around |
| 07:09.13 | mbuf | ROFL may not be a good caption here |
| 07:09.30 | Fossi | (yes, i like to unscrew stuff) |
| 07:09.33 | railer | ieatlint not much happened |
| 07:09.52 | ieatlint | yeah, it should say fail because whoever wrote wpa_cli fucked up |
| 07:10.09 | ieatlint | set_network is a command only in interactive mode |
| 07:10.10 | railer | wpa_cli add_network > Selected interface 'eth0' 0 |
| 07:10.19 | railer | ya it said FAIL |
| 07:10.34 | railer | Selected interface 'eth0' FAIL |
| 07:10.47 | ieatlint | yep |
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| 07:11.12 | mbuf | finds the fourth battery; and sees light at one end of the stylus |
| 07:12.04 | ieatlint | ok, i'm annoyed |
| 07:12.20 | ieatlint | and i need a break while i determine how i am going to fix this |
| 07:12.42 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r38619a0f18bc 10/framework/ (3 files in 2 dirs): odeviced: convert input plugin to use the generic asyncworker |
| 07:13.40 | railer | You know what some one has to make a keyboard and mouse that work with whichever computer you are looking at |
| 07:13.45 | ieatlint | it's like the author wanted it not to work... i can't even pipe it into wpa_cli, which should put it for interactive mode |
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| 07:15.26 | fragged | ieatlint, was it you last night that recommended "C - How to program"? If so, I'm really liking it so far :D |
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| 07:15.39 | ieatlint | afraid not |
| 07:15.50 | fragged | ah, ok, we were discussing C and a couple of books got recommended.. |
| 07:16.21 | fragged | xchat backlog doesnt go back far enough, I should really change some config options and set up a nickserv script |
| 07:16.34 | walrustown | fragged: the wiki has logs of this chat |
| 07:16.55 | ieatlint | and xchat supports authenticating with nickserv in the network config |
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| 07:17.22 | walrustown | fragged: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Development_resources#IRC |
| 07:18.21 | fragged | ah, cheers :) |
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| 07:25.03 | Fossi | so, again: anybody got a clue about atomic operations on the armv4 of the FR? |
| 07:25.22 | Fossi | i guess i could look into pulse or something, right? |
| 07:25.51 | walrustown | atomic? are you writing a threading library? |
| 07:26.12 | Fossi | kinda, i'm needing some simple ops for a threaded app |
| 07:26.22 | Fossi | and i don't want to use libatomic_ops |
| 07:26.37 | lymeca | Any thoughts on providing a Mumble package for OpenMoko? |
| 07:26.45 | lymeca | Has this been discussed before? |
| 07:27.19 | walrustown | Fossi: I'd start experimenting with gcc -E |
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| 07:27.58 | Fossi | there must be quite a lot of docs somewhere |
| 07:28.11 | ieatlint | ok, i feel like kicking someone in the face, but i think i have copy of lint-wifi i can give out |
| 07:28.14 | walrustown | Fossi: err I meant gcc -S |
| 07:28.56 | railer | lol |
| 07:29.12 | walrustown | Fossi: looking at the assembly output for simple operations is probably the easiest thing to do |
| 07:29.21 | railer | the wonders of programming |
| 07:29.39 | ieatlint | i'm sure it's not fully working, but i need a break, and i don't know if i'll get back to it tonight |
| 07:30.03 | Fossi | walrustown: hmm. i thought there might be some instruction set manual somewhere |
| 07:30.06 | kd8ikt | got a linky? i'll take a gander |
| 07:30.19 | ieatlint | uploading now... |
| 07:30.26 | railer | ok |
| 07:30.28 | Fossi | ieatlint: ipkg? |
| 07:30.38 | Zandini | Hello. I am trying to make a gta02 qemu, but every time I run 'make flash-qemu-local', I get these error messages "s3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20 |
| 07:30.38 | Zandini | " |
| 07:30.39 | ieatlint | no |
| 07:30.51 | Fossi | is too lazy then ;) |
| 07:30.53 | walrustown | Fossi: Oh, well, I'm sure there is |
| 07:30.56 | ieatlint | just a single python script... ipkg will come when i have a copy i am really ready to release |
| 07:30.58 | Zandini | does anyone have any idea why this might happen? |
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| 07:31.39 | railer | fire the link again, I didn't bookmark it |
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| 07:32.13 | ieatlint | http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/lint-wifi/lint-wifi.py |
| 07:32.28 | kd8ikt | sweet |
| 07:32.34 | ieatlint | if it doesn't work, you have to kick someone in the face before i'll listen to bug reports |
| 07:33.07 | ieatlint | oh, and this will start wpa_supplicant for you now |
| 07:33.14 | ieatlint | so all you need to do is run the app, no prep |
| 07:33.27 | ieatlint | (it will detect if it's already running) |
| 07:35.26 | ieatlint | for the next version i'll actually fill in the config page with real options (!!) |
| 07:35.44 | jakobsg | Still struggling with qtopia |
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| 07:36.27 | ieatlint | jakobsg, everyone in here is a technology-masochist |
| 07:36.30 | jakobsg | I don't have a clue why I can't start using my neo as a phone :-) |
| 07:36.32 | ieatlint | we're all struggling |
| 07:36.33 | Zandini | anyone have qemu working with gta02? |
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| 07:39.03 | jakobsg | As I have earlier written I am stuck with a kernel panic - though I have followed the guide to the letter |
| 07:39.54 | jakobsg | I'm booting from SD and the failure accures when boot image wants to mount rootfs |
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| 07:40.17 | jakobsg | which by the way is ext2 |
| 07:42.05 | jakobsg | It is really frustrating, because its the last small step that seems to be missing :-( |
| 07:43.03 | railer | im still not connecting, |
| 07:43.21 | jakobsg | The panic is: "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2)" and I'm not even sure what it means ? |
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| 07:45.15 | ecraven | is there a fix for the wrong calibration of the touchscreen when rotating the screen? |
| 07:45.21 | ecraven | this is *really* bothering |
| 07:45.39 | railer | ieatlint you out? |
| 07:45.48 | ecraven | jakobsg: i think that happens if your rootfs on the sd card isn't ext3 |
| 07:46.33 | ieatlint | fixing a bug i just found |
| 07:47.12 | railer | ok, I got a FAIL once and a command timed out |
| 07:47.31 | ieatlint | what command? |
| 07:47.56 | railer | wpa_cli otp 4 |
| 07:48.20 | ieatlint | connecting to an ap without a password? |
| 07:48.51 | railer | with and without |
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| 07:49.53 | kd8ikt | i like it havent tried a connect yet though |
| 07:50.27 | railer | wpa_cli otp 6 "No Password" Selected interface 'eth0' 'CTRL-RSP-OTP-6:No Password' command timed out |
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| 07:50.51 | jakobsg | ecraven: I have tried both ext2 and ext3 |
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| 07:52.15 | kd8ikt | i see a few FAIL's |
| 07:52.26 | railer | me too on the save function |
| 07:52.40 | kd8ikt | i'll dig through the source it almost seems like a few trivial fixes |
| 07:52.45 | ieatlint | yeah, i knew the save function would fail... |
| 07:52.57 | kd8ikt | ah you guessed it |
| 07:53.20 | ieatlint | it's for the same reason i was having trouble with the set_network command to wpa_cli |
| 07:53.30 | ecraven | jakobsg: i have played around with the sd card for some time, and finally have it working. a fat partition for the kernel, an ext3 partition for the rest |
| 07:53.37 | ieatlint | i may just write my own wpa_cli and save this hassle |
| 07:53.39 | ecraven | i changed the boot from SD command, according to the wiki |
| 07:54.06 | kd8ikt | and the connect/discconnect doesnt seem to realize i'm connected to one and that it doesnt require auth |
| 07:54.29 | jakobsg | ecraven: What was the last part, you said ? |
| 07:54.40 | jakobsg | changed the boot ?? |
| 07:54.48 | ecraven | "boot from SD" command ;) |
| 07:54.57 | ecraven | in the nand flash, you can change what it does |
| 07:55.01 | ecraven | i played around with that too |
| 07:55.09 | ieatlint | post bugs on the wiki in the discussion page... i've not the energy to fix it now |
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| 07:55.14 | jakobsg | url - would be much appreciated :-D |
| 07:55.26 | ieatlint | i'm going to go get some food in a min |
| 07:55.29 | railer | ok |
| 07:58.10 | jakobsg | ecraven: what is it I need to do? |
| 07:58.20 | Zorkman | ecraven: |
| 07:58.30 | Zorkman | i didn't have to edit the nand boot |
| 07:58.33 | ecraven | jakobsg: look on the wiki, it has a good description |
| 07:58.44 | ecraven | i didn't say you need to, i just said i did ;) |
| 07:59.02 | ecraven | now, how do i get xrandr -o left work correctly? how to fix the touchscreen?? |
| 07:59.40 | jakobsg | If it's this one: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Change_your_kernel_settings then I don't get it :-( |
| 07:59.48 | Zorkman | ecraven, jakobsg: the wiki search is really fucked up |
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| 08:00.10 | Zorkman | if you search for it you get a lot of links and the only usefull ones are booting from sd in asian languages :) |
| 08:00.30 | Zorkman | you have to manually delete the "zh_cn" |
| 08:00.46 | Zorkman | is there any way i could fix this? |
| 08:05.08 | jakobsg | ecraven: Could you send a link ? |
| 08:05.17 | ecraven | jakobsg: i'll look for it, not sure which page it was |
| 08:05.37 | opendeep | Hi, I am installing python on SD card of Neo1973, fallowing instructions in "http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Package_management#Installing_Packages_on_the_Card" |
| 08:06.19 | opendeep | when i "opkg install -d card python-core", got "An error ocurred, return value: 2." |
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| 08:07.01 | opendeep | anybody help me |
| 08:08.57 | opendeep | may i need to upgrade the device first? |
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| 08:10.41 | Zorkman | opendeep: i'm a noob, so i might be wrong but i think you need to replace "card" with the name and location of your card |
| 08:10.56 | Zorkman | ah, no i see, you have added a dest first |
| 08:11.17 | Zorkman | then i don't know how to help you, sorry |
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| 08:15.08 | opendeep | Zorkman:I first add "dest card /media/card/opkg" to /etc/opkg.conf file then created opkg folder in /media/card. |
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| 08:21.15 | ecraven | jakobsg: if nothing else helps, look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD at the part where it says "Boot entry for ext3 partitions" under "Add uboot boot entry" |
| 08:21.21 | ecraven | but probably you don't need to change that |
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| 08:22.04 | ecraven | who is to blame that the touchscreen doesn't work correctly after xrandr -o left?? Xglamo? |
| 08:23.05 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4555 10/developers/john_lee/pyfso/dialer.py: |
| 08:23.05 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Register() is async. wait for the signal from network interface to |
| 08:23.05 | CIA-46 | openmoko: change the registration status. |
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| 08:26.46 | jakobsg | ecraven: thanks - now I have something to go on - I'll try it later today |
| 08:27.13 | ecraven | welcome, hope it works! |
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| 08:30.58 | Wonka | Archibald Buttle? |
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| 08:32.04 | ieatlint | pizza.. yay |
| 08:32.17 | prjktdtnt | ieatlint: teleport some my direction |
| 08:32.31 | Fossi | hmmm. libatomic_ops is messy and i don't get my head around this atm |
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| 08:32.35 | Fossi | i'll try later |
| 08:32.45 | ieatlint | i don't know where you are... |
| 08:32.46 | Fossi | first i nedd to compile some more hours anyway |
| 08:33.15 | Fossi | trying to implement some simple atomic ops |
| 08:33.29 | Fossi | set, compare and set, incr, decr |
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| 08:47.19 | Zorkman | i want to isntall minimo and i succeeded on the 2007.2, bout on the asu i get "could not obtain administrative lock" |
| 08:48.13 | Zorkman | mmm, closed the connection and reconnected and now it works |
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| 08:52.19 | mbuf | we can run GTK+ on ASU? |
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| 08:56.44 | blippe | does koolu change the freerunner in any other way than rebrandning it? |
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| 08:57.50 | railer | ieatlint are you going to have to rebuild wpa_cli? |
| 08:58.10 | kd8ikt | Zorkman: the administrative lock stuff ussually means another opkg proccess is running |
| 08:59.03 | mjr | mbuf, yes |
| 08:59.57 | smhar | where can find details about the return policy and warranty from openmoko? |
| 09:00.58 | kd8ikt | doesnt think there is one unless it arrived smashed in a million pieces |
| 09:01.27 | rebelThor | why would you want to return it? |
| 09:01.30 | blippe | smhar, de ordering side have somthing about DOA |
| 09:01.46 | blippe | it's 5 or ten days or something of the like |
| 09:01.55 | smhar | the store site says it is 14 day DOA (Single Pack) for single PACK, (what is DOA?) but what if a hardware bug was discovered later than that? |
| 09:02.06 | mjr | dead on arrival |
| 09:02.07 | blippe | DOA= Dead on arrival |
| 09:02.22 | kd8ikt | but if it boots its yours |
| 09:02.36 | smhar | I see :-) |
| 09:03.21 | kd8ikt | hardware bugs.... of course this is developer revision 2 |
| 09:03.40 | kd8ikt | now we do what we can with what we got |
| 09:03.42 | smhar | blippe, kd8ikt , what about hardware bugs and faults? I can live with a bugy software because I know that it will bw improved eventually, not the hardware |
| 09:03.50 | Zorkman | damn, i think i messed something up |
| 09:04.05 | Zorkman | i can't connect to my freerynner anymore |
| 09:04.13 | kd8ikt | what is this bug of which you speak |
| 09:04.18 | smhar | kd8ikt, it is annouced as final product not developer 2!! |
| 09:04.27 | Zorkman | it think it might have something to do with while running an opkg upgrade he asked to do sod to use a new /etc/config file |
| 09:04.31 | trix | it's a final product [for developers] |
| 09:05.09 | kd8ikt | heh /me thinks smhar really wanted an iphone |
| 09:05.16 | trix | maybe you should get one of those samsung instincts, smhar |
| 09:05.30 | trix | hehe |
| 09:05.34 | ieatlint | railer, i probably will.. |
| 09:05.48 | smhar | kd8ikt, I hate Iphone and wince/pocket pc things |
| 09:05.51 | trix | how goes your wireless app, ieatlint? |
| 09:06.03 | ieatlint | it will let me clean up the code in the wifi app too |
| 09:06.10 | Fossi | smhar: while openmoko doesn't need to give a guarantee, in germany, your reseller will have to |
| 09:06.25 | Fossi | smhar: don't know where you are from and what the law is |
| 09:06.31 | ieatlint | it goes... working better than before, but definitely not a finished product, except by microsoft standards |
| 09:06.35 | kd8ikt | there is always ebay |
| 09:06.50 | trix | ieatlint, there's always the option of a service pack then ;) |
| 09:07.00 | smhar | trix, kd8ikt as I just said, I can live with buggy and beta and even alpha software.. does this sound like an iphone person?! |
| 09:07.11 | kd8ikt | yeah actually |
| 09:07.21 | Zorkman | smhar: just tell us exactly what you consider as a hardware problem |
| 09:07.37 | trix | smhar, then what're you waiting for, put yourself on the shipping list :) |
| 09:07.42 | Fossi | Zorkman: well, for example my gps internal antenna doesn't work |
| 09:07.51 | Zorkman | fossi: it does work |
| 09:07.57 | Zorkman | it works fine here |
| 09:08.00 | Fossi | Zorkman: no, mine doesn't |
| 09:08.06 | kd8ikt | upgrade the kernel? |
| 09:08.10 | Zorkman | have you updated to the latest kernel? |
| 09:08.13 | Fossi | it's not a software problem |
| 09:08.16 | smhar | Zorkman, what if the wifi chipset is buggy, as the gps antena was? |
| 09:08.25 | kd8ikt | run agpsui? |
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| 09:08.29 | Zorkman | smhar: i can connect to wifi networks withouth problems |
| 09:08.35 | Zorkman | (only tested unencrypted ones though) |
| 09:08.36 | Fossi | i don't get a fix, even without sd card in |
| 09:08.37 | kd8ikt | change the gpsd config |
| 09:08.43 | trix | i've received more "firmware updates" on my freerunner than i've received in total with all of my past cell phones combined. there's nothing quite like having an entire community building phone software. |
| 09:08.57 | Zorkman | Fossi: flash the divece to the newest uboot/kernel and filesystem |
| 09:09.00 | Fossi | it reports just fine, only that it doesn't get any satelites at all |
| 09:09.09 | smhar | Zorkman, but buggy units exist in each patch. only few units have the gps problem, the rest were ok |
| 09:09.21 | Fossi | Zorkman: don't you read what i say? it's not a software problem |
| 09:09.24 | kd8ikt | ugh in fact i dont think any phone i've owned had soft updates or user flashable filesystems |
| 09:09.38 | Fossi | it looks like one of the pins is not soldered on |
| 09:10.01 | trix | my samsung has an option to update firmware but there's only been one update available in the past few years |
| 09:10.07 | Fossi | so there always *is* a probability of stupp bein g broken |
| 09:10.14 | Fossi | *stuff |
| 09:10.34 | Zorkman | fossi: there always is, with EVERY phone |
| 09:10.44 | polz | trix: OTOH, I presume the samsung has been working as a phone for all those years ;) |
| 09:10.48 | Fossi | yes, but normally, you get a 2 year warranty |
| 09:10.57 | kd8ikt | gimmie a shell on the bugger and i'll find out if it is |
| 09:11.07 | Fossi | i mean, i get it from my reseller, germany's laws be praised |
| 09:11.10 | Zorkman | Fossi: you get a two year warranty in the EU |
| 09:11.11 | trix | polz, yep. cept for that time i dropped it in the pisser. |
| 09:11.20 | polz | :)) |
| 09:11.23 | Fossi | but that might not be the case in other places |
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| 09:11.47 | ieatlint | trix, don't talk on the phone and pee, especially if you're talking to me |
| 09:11.51 | kd8ikt | wow did you know gps is considered a munition |
| 09:11.52 | Zorkman | Fossi: actually it is only 6montshs, after that you technically have to proof that the product broke during normall usage (although this is almost never nescesarry) |
| 09:11.55 | trix | hehe |
| 09:11.57 | Fossi | i'm just saying that smhar's question is pretty valid |
| 09:12.14 | Fossi | Zorkman: i know. i called them and they'll fix it, no problems at all :) |
| 09:12.18 | Fossi | or send me a new one |
| 09:12.19 | trix | it was in a hoodie pocket. and i wasn't pleased. |
| 09:12.21 | Zorkman | yes, but smhar knew that if he bought it directly from openmoko he would get a 14day DOA or a 28day DOA with a tenpack |
| 09:12.40 | ieatlint | Zorkman, don't be fanboy |
| 09:12.53 | ieatlint | buyers remorse != shit is broken with the hardware |
| 09:12.54 | Zorkman | ok eatlint, i'll shut up :) |
| 09:13.07 | Zorkman | if it where me i wuold be whining too :) |
| 09:13.08 | mbuf | "audio: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy" -- when playing with madplay on default image on FR |
| 09:13.26 | Fossi | mbuf: use alsa? |
| 09:13.35 | Fossi | or kill pulse/alsa/whatever |
| 09:14.00 | ieatlint | kd8ikt, did you kick someone in the face like i asked, btw? |
| 09:14.25 | kd8ikt | no but i made a bug report and im laying in bed ready to pass out |
| 09:14.28 | Fossi | ieatlint: you should put that into the license ;D |
| 09:14.40 | ieatlint | haha |
| 09:15.08 | kd8ikt | mbuf: maybe pulseaudio has something to do with it |
| 09:15.08 | beni_ | yeah my FR is here :D unfortunately i have no time to play with it till tuesday or so :( |
| 09:15.17 | beni_ | i hope i will survive that weekend |
| 09:16.17 | kd8ikt | ieatlint: i'll play with the script in the morning and run some wifi hackery |
| 09:17.02 | kd8ikt | i almost consider the bug report as a reminder to myself where to start looking |
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| 09:17.30 | kd8ikt | needs a notepad on his moko |
| 09:17.44 | FossiShopping | word |
| 09:17.53 | FossiShopping | somebody should package leafpad or such |
| 09:18.18 | kd8ikt | i played with tspaint or sumthinpaint really neat app |
| 09:18.21 | jakobsg | Finally - got qtopia running ! |
| 09:18.23 | FossiShopping | i mean, nano is okey for most stuff, but yeah |
| 09:18.36 | FossiShopping | jakobsg: what was the problem? |
| 09:18.38 | ConfidentiaL | as for making games you play through your browser; Which has better performance, flash or java? |
| 09:18.44 | kd8ikt | its in the repo |
| 09:18.51 | ecraven | how do we hide the mouse pointer under X? |
| 09:19.22 | kd8ikt | /etc/matchbox/session or something (2007.2) |
| 09:19.52 | jakobsg | I think the uimage.bin from trolltech: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=68 is stripped from ext2 support |
| 09:20.29 | ecraven | kd8ikt: thanks, so matchbox hides it |
| 09:20.37 | jakobsg | When I added the fat+ext3 menu option in u-boot it mountet rootfs without a problem |
| 09:21.11 | kd8ikt | i think i hate qtopia, only real issue i have is the app scroll likes to keep on its momentum even when i'm like "oh wait i overshot it go back" |
| 09:21.24 | kd8ikt | (2997.2) app scroll |
| 09:21.45 | mbuf | kd8ikt, yeah after "killall pulseaudio", madplay runs |
| 09:21.59 | jakobsg | well qtopia has excellent input methods |
| 09:22.08 | kd8ikt | it gleefully ignores my responses to stop scrolling i kinda wish it didnt have any momentum |
| 09:22.22 | kd8ikt | fuck qtopia |
| 09:22.40 | kd8ikt | :P |
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| 09:23.12 | kd8ikt | [#openmoko] |
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| 09:25.56 | jakobsg | I have been a currious about why it has been decided to create yet another UI for the openmoko when there are a few opensource ui's already to build on? |
| 09:27.03 | jakobsg | maemo I think it's called the interface for Nokia 770 - is the best I have seen until now - and as far as I know it is 100% GPL |
| 09:27.10 | fragged | jakobsg, because none of the others are scalable, among other things, as far as I know |
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| 09:27.48 | kd8ikt | i dont think its about a ui but some crazy lowlevel do it all dbus api |
| 09:27.49 | jakobsg | Scaleable in which sence ? graphically, performance, ... |
| 09:28.08 | fragged | Graphically. But I'm an outsider on the openmoko community, I could be wrong |
| 09:28.12 | kd8ikt | fso stuff |
| 09:29.10 | fragged | It appears that OpenMoko is aiming to be used on many devices rather than just the Neo and FR; similar to the way Sony have an OS, as does Nokia |
| 09:29.46 | kd8ikt | future |
| 09:30.30 | jakobsg | Well I'm mainly talking UI, because that's what "People" see |
| 09:30.52 | jakobsg | and of course funktionality |
| 09:32.11 | XorA | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2008/07/23/openmoko_ui_train_wreck |
| 09:32.12 | cheesy | the UI is something people will decide on if they will buy the phone or not |
| 09:32.20 | jakobsg | but it would seem to me that maemo already has at least 50% of the openmoko hardware functionality wrapped in nice user interfaces - wifi, bluetooth, usb - of course missing GSM and GPS |
| 09:32.45 | jakobsg | cheesy: my point exactly |
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| 09:32.50 | mjr | maemo is also non-free in significant parts, don't know about those you mention |
| 09:33.34 | cheesy | jakobsg: you are totally right! and ppl critisize the openmoko on the bad ui |
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| 09:33.54 | jakobsg | http://test.maemo.org/screenshots.html |
| 09:33.55 | davi | maemo suck :P |
| 09:33.59 | jakobsg | no |
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| 09:34.02 | cheesy | it's not usable with your finger |
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| 09:34.38 | FossiShopping | so what? |
| 09:34.43 | FossiShopping | i'm glad with a root shell |
| 09:34.44 | jakobsg | but you are right about the usabillity with the finger |
| 09:34.50 | FossiShopping | fuck 'the people' |
| 09:35.14 | FossiShopping | hell, people citisize everything |
| 09:35.22 | FossiShopping | +r |
| 09:35.31 | cheesy | FossiShopping: they do |
| 09:35.34 | jakobsg | For a phone I really don't want a root shell |
| 09:35.47 | cheesy | but the phone should be for people right? |
| 09:35.47 | FossiShopping | i do :D |
| 09:35.51 | FossiShopping | yes |
| 09:35.55 | FossiShopping | i'm people |
| 09:35.56 | davi | Critics are the best feedback project get! |
| 09:36.11 | davi | projects* |
| 09:36.14 | cheesy | me is people too |
| 09:36.39 | FossiShopping | actually i'd argue i'm more of the (original) target group than most other 'people' are |
| 09:36.46 | FossiShopping | because i care about a free phone |
| 09:36.49 | jakobsg | well, my only question was - why not build on some of the existing projects |
| 09:36.54 | cheesy | and i think the phone shoould be usable with you finger...as there isn't a place for a stylus in the case |
| 09:37.00 | FossiShopping | and i need a root shell to compile stuff |
| 09:37.16 | FossiShopping | cheesy: well, i will have to agree on that |
| 09:37.20 | kd8ikt | you have gcc installed on your pphone? |
| 09:37.34 | FossiShopping | still the root shell is the most important thing |
| 09:37.37 | filonk | sorry to jump in, but the nokia maemo (n800) internet tablet has a nice concept: |
| 09:37.43 | FossiShopping | (and gpl drivers) |
| 09:38.01 | filonk | it 'senses' (from toucharea) if you are using a stylus or a finger |
| 09:38.06 | FossiShopping | kd8ikt: yes, i was sick of cross compiling |
| 09:38.12 | jakobsg | FossiShopping: you have your root shell in maemo too |
| 09:38.17 | FossiShopping | and i can actually code on the way now |
| 09:38.25 | davi | Please keep the software the more free possible |
| 09:38.27 | filonk | if you're using a stylus, it uses an onscreen keyboard with small keys |
| 09:38.51 | filonk | when using a finger, it shows less keys but larger |
| 09:39.04 | FossiShopping | filonk: well, go ahead and port it, if you like it that much ;) |
| 09:39.06 | ecraven | filonk: i think the hardware in the FR can't do that |
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| 09:39.25 | filonk | ecraven, why not ? |
| 09:39.25 | kd8ikt | i tried installing all the compiler stuff earlier but it blew up in my face |
| 09:39.55 | kd8ikt | every ./configure would say "i cant compile a simple program with this env" |
| 09:39.57 | filonk | is it not possible to find out if just a small spot (stylus) has been touched or a larger area (finger) ? |
| 09:39.59 | FossiShopping | i'd guess the coordinates would jump more when using the finger |
| 09:40.06 | kd8ikt | gcc cannot make an executable |
| 09:40.11 | kd8ikt | or some crap |
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| 09:40.20 | FossiShopping | kd8ikt: i had to link cc to cc1 |
| 09:40.28 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 09:40.30 | FossiShopping | you should check config.log |
| 09:40.33 | ecraven | filonk: someone told me the hardware can't do that |
| 09:40.42 | kd8ikt | i did and it didnt really help |
| 09:40.43 | Zorkman | filonk: i think it is possible |
| 09:40.51 | ecraven | though you might be able to "fake" it, like FossiShopping said |
| 09:40.56 | Dave | Ecraven! |
| 09:40.58 | FossiShopping | kd8ikt: well, it tells you why it fails ;D |
| 09:41.00 | ecraven | heyya dave ;) |
| 09:41.11 | Dave | =_= |
| 09:41.25 | Zorkman | filonk: when you press with your finger you mke contact over a certain area, depending on the pressure (whuch you can impossibly keep constant) the point will variate a in that area |
| 09:41.29 | kd8ikt | i dunno maybe i'll try again sometime |
| 09:41.45 | kd8ikt | cause the angstrom toolchain sucks balls |
| 09:41.49 | Zorkman | filonk: maybe it variates fast enough to be detected as a finger and not justa stylus making crazy fast little movements |
| 09:41.52 | Dave | :D |
| 09:42.04 | filonk | i'm pretty sure there is a way to notice a difference between stylus and finger (pressure, area-size, ....) |
| 09:42.09 | Zorkman | ok, fossishopping said it long before me :) |
| 09:42.51 | FacelessJ | Will the GSM 900 stock be going up today (or tomorrow, not sure of the time diff) along with the GSM 850 stock? Or do we have to wait longer for it still? >_> |
| 09:43.05 | filonk | as soon as my FR arrives, I'll do some testing. Just dump TS data , use finger and stylus and check the output |
| 09:43.45 | Dave | The 900 shoudl be going up today |
| 09:44.05 | jakobsg | There should always be multiple input methods, ie for fat fingers or using stylus pen |
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| 09:44.19 | FacelessJ | Awesome. |
| 09:44.21 | FacelessJ | taps f5 |
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| 09:49.29 | ieatlint | ok, writing my own wpa_cli thing should prove relatively easy and should really knock off a bit of python code |
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| 09:51.58 | Zorkman | i'm using a fully up-to-date ASU, but exposure wont load is this normal? i've never been able to load it |
| 09:52.37 | davi | Does emacs run smoothly in Freerunner? |
| 09:53.03 | HauDyr | davi no you have to use ed or vi :-) |
| 09:53.17 | davi | shit :P |
| 09:53.46 | davi | time will tell :) |
| 09:54.10 | HauDyr | davi i think it does atleast thrugh usb |
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| 09:55.51 | dcoppa | hello, I've flashed my freerunner with latest andy's kernel from git. Now the openmoko panel battery applet doesn't see my battery anymore |
| 09:56.31 | davi | HauDyr, USB is needed due to storage limitation? |
| 09:56.58 | Zorkman | i'm using a fully up-to-date ASU, but exposure wont load is this normal? i've never been able to load it |
| 09:57.06 | dcoppa | maybe something under sysfs has changed? may I need to upgrade hal? |
| 09:57.21 | HauDyr | no to transfer data between your pc and the FreeRunner |
| 09:58.14 | HauDyr | davi, for extra storage you have micro SD or SDHC |
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| 09:59.10 | davi | HauDyr, so, why is needed USB to execute emacs? |
| 10:00.05 | HauDyr | because you then do it from a terminal on your pc and can use a normal keyboard |
| 10:00.28 | HauDyr | if you dont have a bluetooth keyboard |
| 10:00.56 | dcoppa | anybody who can help me? |
| 10:00.58 | davi | I see, thrugh ssh via tramp. Thanks |
| 10:01.26 | davi | HauDyr, USB keyboard is said to work too |
| 10:01.31 | davi | ? |
| 10:01.49 | HauDyr | davi i guess so |
| 10:01.56 | davi | cool |
| 10:02.30 | HauDyr | you just have to build a special cabel to connect it |
| 10:03.29 | HauDyr | there is something on the wiki (USB host mode) or something like that |
| 10:05.50 | davi | thanks |
| 10:06.35 | davi | How much has payed you for your Freerunner? |
| 10:06.45 | davi | have* |
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| 10:07.36 | Zorkman | davi: 335 euro |
| 10:07.51 | HauDyr | i kan has payes 360€ :-) |
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| 10:08.19 | Dave | arabs has euroz? |
| 10:08.36 | davi | too much for me! |
| 10:09.17 | HauDyr | dave no pirates you insensitive clod! |
| 10:09.31 | Zorkman | where do you live davi? maybe you can get it cheaper by ordering from openmoko.com shop |
| 10:09.42 | davi | Spain |
| 10:10.47 | davi | I am waiting for the one with the camera, and then I will reevalute the device vs cost issue. |
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| 10:12.56 | davi | I look for a device with all in: gps, internet tablet, wifi, camera, video play/record, sound play/record, etc., etc. All in one device. |
| 10:13.13 | dcoppa | damn, I've found the error |
| 10:13.15 | dcoppa | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:13.15 | dcoppa | cat: read error: Timer expired |
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| 10:14.10 | Zorkman | is there a way to store the maps in diversity? |
| 10:14.17 | Zorkman | everytime i reboot they are gone |
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| 10:18.10 | Zorkman | is there a way to store the maps in diversity? i looked everywhere and thre isn't even a page for it on the wiki |
| 10:22.15 | ecraven | i wish i knew how to cross-compile for my FR ;( |
| 10:22.24 | Dave | Does diversity even work at all yet? |
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| 10:22.27 | Dave | ecraven, aww |
| 10:22.36 | Dave | yeah I need to cross-compile drivers for it |
| 10:22.51 | Dave | but I couldn't seem to find the kernel-headers for it yesterday :( |
| 10:23.04 | ecraven | i'd like matchbox-keyboard from svn |
| 10:23.20 | ieatlint | Dave, the kernel headers... kernel.org |
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| 10:24.27 | ecraven | can i just do GCC=moko-toolchain-gcc and then "make" should produce correct code? |
| 10:26.25 | XorA | ecraven: for simple stuff yes, that'll work |
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| 10:30.52 | Dave | :O |
| 10:31.09 | Dave | yeah but not if everything has to be linked |
| 10:31.14 | Dave | you need a real build environment |
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| 10:31.32 | Dave | that's why sometimes if time is a sacrificable thing, I'll just compile shit on the phone itself :) |
| 10:31.44 | ecraven | Dave: i only need matchbox-keyboard recompiled |
| 10:31.55 | Dave | turns out it has a million dependencies |
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| 10:32.01 | Dave | so better to use the pc :P |
| 10:32.21 | ecraven | how do i set up a complete build environment? |
| 10:33.09 | Dave | Can't you just use bitbake or something? :| |
| 10:33.18 | ecraven | never used it |
| 10:33.28 | Dave | That's what goodwill did when he built me matchbox-keyboard |
| 10:33.34 | Dave | I think, anyway :D |
| 10:35.01 | ecraven | i like my debian setup, if i can get matchbox-keyboard to hide/popup on the AUX key, things look good ;) |
| 10:35.41 | Dave | :D |
| 10:36.04 | Dave | well, you've setup the toolchain then, I'm gathering, right? |
| 10:36.43 | ecraven | i downloaded it, and unpacked it, yes. that was the easy part |
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| 10:37.31 | Dave | heh |
| 10:37.49 | ecraven | can you give me your binary for matchbox-keyboard? |
| 10:37.58 | Dave | sure, if you'd like |
| 10:38.04 | Dave | Would you like all of them? |
| 10:38.13 | ecraven | do you have ipkgs? or just binaries? |
| 10:38.18 | Dave | oh |
| 10:38.22 | Dave | both |
| 10:38.29 | Dave | I have the ipk's if you'd like them |
| 10:38.31 | ecraven | the ipkgs please ;) |
| 10:38.34 | Dave | sure :D |
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| 10:44.23 | Dave | gah, one sec :P |
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| 10:46.11 | Dave | hoenoes, it's the leinir! |
| 10:47.01 | _gr_ | hi, I presume it's a recurent ask, but is there a package repository for QTopia (sourcelist)? |
| 10:49.56 | leinir | Dave: Indeed :) |
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| 10:50.19 | Dave | :O |
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| 10:53.31 | slurpster | Hi, wondering if anyone from taiwan is on the channel right now. |
| 10:54.23 | Dave | ecraven, I threw those packages up :] |
| 10:55.34 | rebelThor | so guys, is the hardware platform stable right now? i'm a software developer and i'm about to order a FR |
| 10:55.54 | ecraven | Dave: thanks! works perfectly |
| 10:55.58 | rebelThor | but i'm willing to wait if there will be major improvements in the hardware in the near future |
| 10:56.00 | ecraven | now i need to set up the aux button, then i'm good to go ;) |
| 10:56.14 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r12aa5a2cf91f 10/framework/ (7 files in 2 dirs): odeviced: use child loggers |
| 10:56.14 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd36cd646a428 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 10:56.14 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced: SetState now works for all states, no special case handling necessary. Note though that applications may depend on state transitions, so |
| 10:56.14 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: be careful with setting non-neighbour states. |
| 10:57.05 | Dave | :D! |
| 10:57.17 | Dave | ecraven, keep me informed, I'm excited ;) |
| 10:57.27 | ecraven | Dave: how do i get it bigger? it's tiny! |
| 10:57.32 | Dave | Yeah :\ |
| 10:57.36 | Dave | sucky |
| 10:58.21 | Dave | I was thinking, if swap orientation worked correctly, maybe when you rotated it, it would fill the screen |
| 10:58.21 | Dave | so like a fuller sized keyboard |
| 10:58.21 | Dave | but no :[ |
| 10:58.21 | Dave | yeah it's tiny though |
| 10:58.21 | ecraven | must be a way to make it bigger |
| 10:58.22 | Dave | and doesn't work properly when connected to USB |
| 10:58.32 | Dave | :P |
| 10:58.39 | Dave | Did you know about that bug? |
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| 11:01.08 | ecraven | Dave: hehe, try xrandr -o left, then start mb-keyboard, then go back to -o normal, now the keyboard is bigger |
| 11:02.39 | opendeep | my device image is om-gta01, what for all-feed.conf and om-gta01-feed.conf ?I updated om-gta-feed.conf with the given server addresses from moko address but "opkg upgrade " not upgrading . |
| 11:03.43 | Dave | hahaha |
| 11:04.56 | Dave | ecraven: naughty naughty :p |
| 11:05.19 | ecraven | how do i set general font size in matchbox? |
| 11:06.38 | Toaster` | Are there any logs generated from gsm actions? I see nothing obvious under /var/log/. Also, has anyone been able to have a SIM card be detected but when they try to make calls, the dialer starts the outgoing but almost immediatly disconnects? Is that a SIM/carrier/software issue? |
| 11:09.50 | ecraven | how do i set the gtk theme from the command line? |
| 11:10.49 | ieatlint | whoa, there's a command line? |
| 11:11.11 | slurpster | grep ieatlint |
| 11:11.19 | slurpster | heheheh....sorry. |
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| 11:11.47 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb991f0087da1 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/ (audio.py idlenotifier.py input.py): odeviced: cleanup some plugins and bump version number |
| 11:13.38 | Weiss | UK people: has anyone bought a FR from Oxford Archaeology? it sounds good (i'm considering buying from Pulster otherwise), but i don't want to send my money into the abyss |
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| 11:18.19 | slurpster | is there anyone in taiwan that can tell me how to get a freerunner? no distributor here. |
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| 11:19.33 | Dave | :D |
| 11:20.18 | ieatlint | which is ironic considering they're made relatively close to taiwan |
| 11:21.17 | slurpster | yeah. kinda ironic |
| 11:21.51 | Toaster` | ok, so I tracked down the gsmd logger, it seems that even though I can connect to the cell tower, and the SIM is detected, I get disconnected less them a second into a call. There is a "buf=`NO CARRIER'(10)" debug message in the log. Would that mean that my carrier is unreachable even though I'm connected to the local cell? |
| 11:21.55 | Dave | ieatlint :P |
| 11:22.04 | Dave | just walk into the child labor camp and pick one up! |
| 11:22.12 | Dave | claim you're an escaped worker? :x |
| 11:22.29 | ecraven | how can i execute code when AUX is pressed? |
| 11:22.44 | slurpster | hahahah...yeah...but I would have to swim the other side of the channel. hahah. |
| 11:22.55 | adsllc | ecraven: modify the neod program. |
| 11:23.14 | ecraven | adsllc: i get correct events from /dev/input/event1 |
| 11:23.23 | ieatlint | slurpster, yeah, don't do it, it's not worth it! |
| 11:23.38 | ieatlint | just befriend someone who travels to the US or europe |
| 11:23.49 | rebelThor | pick someone up at the airport |
| 11:23.55 | adsllc | ecraven: 'lsof | grep event1' says that neod is already reading it. |
| 11:24.17 | adsllc | ecraven: both of you reading the file at once may not be reliable. |
| 11:24.22 | Dave | ecraven, you don't want to know :( |
| 11:24.37 | ieatlint | what is event1? |
| 11:24.46 | ieatlint | is that aux? |
| 11:24.51 | Dave | no |
| 11:25.05 | ecraven | adsllc: i've installed debian, no neod for me |
| 11:25.27 | swc|666 | debian ftw |
| 11:25.29 | adsllc | ecraven: Ah - parse event1 then. No idea what the format is though. |
| 11:25.36 | ecraven | actually, event4 is the right one |
| 11:25.45 | ecraven | i was sure there's a program already that does that |
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| 11:26.06 | Dave | ecraven, bastard! :P |
| 11:26.06 | swc|666 | ecraven: you're using debian on the microSD, right? |
| 11:26.07 | ecraven | h, and it's /dev/input/event0 |
| 11:26.08 | adsllc | ecraven: There is - neod. :) |
| 11:26.12 | ecraven | swc|666: yes |
| 11:26.15 | Dave | :D |
| 11:26.23 | swc|666 | ecraven: what is your pointercal? |
| 11:26.25 | Dave | ecraven, ts ts ts? |
| 11:26.25 | adsllc | ecraven: I've gotta run - good luck! |
| 11:26.32 | ecraven | adsllc: neod is ... not useful, no configuration via files, it opens *all* /dev/input/* for fun, ... |
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| 11:26.50 | ecraven | swc|666: i copied Xglamo, libts and pointercal from 2007.2 |
| 11:26.52 | ecraven | otherwise nothing works |
| 11:27.13 | ieatlint | aux is event0, power is event4 ... but what is event1? |
| 11:27.28 | ecraven | the touchscreen ;) |
| 11:27.30 | ieatlint | nm... touchscreen |
| 11:27.35 | swc|666 | ecraven: i couldnt get ts_calibrate working (yet) but i'm sooo close with the pointercal (guessing the figures : / ) |
| 11:28.00 | ecraven | swc|666: using debian's x server? |
| 11:28.04 | ecraven | i couldn't get that to work at all |
| 11:28.04 | swc|666 | ecraven: which WM are u using... icewm? |
| 11:28.09 | ecraven | no, matchbox |
| 11:28.12 | swc|666 | ecraven: yep |
| 11:28.15 | ecraven | i think it's the best for the tiny screen |
| 11:28.38 | swc|666 | true |
| 11:28.56 | ecraven | i'd like matchbox-keyboard to hide/show with AUX ;) |
| 11:29.03 | swc|666 | me 2! |
| 11:29.15 | swc|666 | i'm actually using xkvbd |
| 11:29.27 | swc|666 | xvkbd* |
| 11:29.45 | ieatlint | how about an app that locks the phone when you shake it :P |
| 11:29.49 | ecraven | good point, i should look into that too |
| 11:31.02 | ieatlint | i swear, people need to make a standardised protocol over bluetooth that tells phones to change profiles |
| 11:31.17 | ieatlint | eg, walk into a meeting, phone switches to a meeting mode |
| 11:31.23 | ieatlint | walk into a theatre, switches to silent |
| 11:31.43 | rebelThor | or the naughty co-worker makes your phone use the outdoor then rigns you? |
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| 11:32.06 | Dave | ieatlint: is that a training program or something for evil nannies? |
| 11:32.07 | ieatlint | a pretty simple certificate system could prevent that |
| 11:32.22 | ieatlint | just use openssl certs, even |
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| 11:33.48 | ecraven | how is the gtk theme set? which file says which theme to use? |
| 11:34.01 | ieatlint | in which image? |
| 11:34.25 | ecraven | 2007.2 |
| 11:34.32 | ecraven | i'd like to use the same theme on debian |
| 11:35.59 | Dave | until we get a sexier theme working, that is ;) |
| 11:36.02 | ieatlint | hah, it's preconfigured to support a usb mouse |
| 11:36.32 | ecraven | Dave: indeed ;) |
| 11:36.51 | ieatlint | ahh... it's a standard config... has specific settings for difference devices, including ipaqs and nokia n800 |
| 11:37.42 | swc|666 | grrr... which script controls the auto up for eth0 @ boot on 2007.2 ??? ... my /etc/network/interfaces dows nothing to prevent it from starting at boot :/ |
| 11:37.53 | swc|666 | d/dows/does |
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| 11:40.32 | ieatlint | matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar yes -use_desktop_mode decorated -theme Moko -use_cursor $SHOWCURSOR $@ & |
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| 11:41.12 | ecraven | ieatlint: yes, but that's only the matchbox theme, where's the gtk theme for all the applications? |
| 11:41.27 | ieatlint | that doesn't define the theme for the gtk applications? |
| 11:41.49 | ieatlint | matchbox-remote -t themename |
| 11:42.03 | ecraven | i think not, but maybe it does |
| 11:42.14 | ieatlint | it should... the window manager sets it |
| 11:42.24 | ieatlint | /usr/share/themes |
| 11:43.00 | ieatlint | /usr/share/themes/Moko/matchbox/theme.desktop sets the colours |
| 11:43.20 | ieatlint | theme.xml in the same dir might set some too |
| 11:43.23 | ecraven | ieatlint: does it use ../Moko/gtk-2.0/ ? |
| 11:43.58 | ieatlint | looks like it could |
| 11:44.16 | ieatlint | i'd copy the Moko folder to another folder, fuck with it, and use the matchbox-remote app to try things out |
| 11:44.50 | HauDyr | swc|666, should be swc|-rw-rw-rw- |
| 11:44.53 | ieatlint | "mathbox-remote -panel-toggle" is used to toggle panels, btw (which i believe will show/hide the keyboard) |
| 11:45.04 | swc|666 | lol |
| 11:47.06 | ieatlint | yeah, that didn't work, so nevermind :P |
| 11:47.11 | ieatlint | (the panel-toggle) |
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| 11:49.04 | Ainulindale | Did anybody try a 16G microSD card ? |
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| 11:49.21 | ieatlint | lol, the close button for window apps is ascii art? |
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| 11:49.38 | ieatlint | Ainulindale, to our knowledge, 8gb is highest obtainable now |
| 11:50.30 | Ainulindale | And SDHC is preferrable ? |
| 11:50.48 | mjr | HC just means it can be over 2 gigs |
| 11:51.16 | mjr | so yes, it's preferrable, if you want space... |
| 11:51.17 | Ainulindale | Oh, ok :-) |
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| 11:52.40 | ernst | does anyone test navit on neo freerunner ? |
| 11:52.54 | ernst | does it run ? |
| 11:55.03 | ieatlint | damn mmicks |
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| 11:55.43 | Fossi | hehe, a load of 3 ;D |
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| 12:03.44 | blippe | sooo,if i am in europe and plan on buying a freerunner as quick as possible, is the best time tomorrow morning? Timezones et al? |
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| 12:05.17 | ieatlint | the store is here in california, gmt-7, so it's 5am here |
| 12:05.19 | edistar_ | blippe: buy from a reseller ;) |
| 12:05.49 | ieatlint | yeah, you probably are better off from a reseller, the extra cost and tranist time, plus customs.. |
| 12:06.05 | blippe | edistar_: thought about buying it from koolu. |
| 12:06.24 | edistar_ | blippe: hm, atm koolu is vapourware ;) |
| 12:06.29 | edistar_ | I think |
| 12:06.39 | edistar_ | blippe: which country are you in? |
| 12:06.40 | blippe | so not koolu then :D |
| 12:06.58 | ieatlint | he's in sweden :P |
| 12:07.03 | blippe | sweden, but i will be able to pick it up in the states in a few weeks |
| 12:07.22 | blippe | no, in a few days |
| 12:07.47 | ieatlint | when do the 900s even get in stock with the openmoko store? |
| 12:08.05 | blippe | it says today at the site |
| 12:08.20 | ieatlint | check back in 3 hours at 8am... then 9am |
| 12:08.30 | blippe | will do, thnx |
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| 12:08.46 | ieatlint | and if still not... maybe a couple times in the day, heh |
| 12:09.17 | ieatlint | where you going in the US? |
| 12:10.31 | ieatlint | someday i want to run through a restaurant kitchen while being chased by men |
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| 12:15.43 | ecraven | how can i write to /sys/bus/.../*gps*/pwron as a user? |
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| 12:17.12 | ieatlint | udev |
| 12:17.20 | ieatlint | /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 12:17.38 | ieatlint | good luck figuring it out though :P |
| 12:22.52 | opendeep | Anybody have see this error "An error ocurred, return value: 2." when opkg install -d card python-core |
| 12:23.04 | ecraven | ieatlint: sudo sh -c "echo 1 > ..." ;) |
| 12:23.13 | ecraven | though it might not be the best idea to allow sudo sh without password |
| 12:23.24 | ieatlint | why sh? |
| 12:23.28 | ieatlint | sudo echo |
| 12:23.38 | Dave | I see ecravens. |
| 12:23.45 | ieatlint | if you want better security, make a script that does it |
| 12:23.57 | Dave | lintux |
| 12:23.59 | ieatlint | give it suid, and no write permissions for the user |
| 12:24.10 | Dave | Don't give ieatlinux permissions :P |
| 12:24.15 | oon | sudo echo doesn't give root permissions for me |
| 12:24.20 | Dave | haha |
| 12:24.27 | Dave | lowell sudo |
| 12:24.53 | ieatlint | it should... you surely don't need a shell environment to run it |
| 12:25.22 | oon | on my debian and my gentoo not :/ |
| 12:25.53 | Ainulindale | opendeep: check that DNS resolves |
| 12:26.35 | ieatlint | well, i'm improper and never use sudo.. i run my apps as user, but all my shells at root |
| 12:26.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd46d85698978 10/packages/e17/e-wm_cvs.bb: [e-wm] Package the efm files somewhere else. we don't want to see firefox... and such |
| 12:27.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd9eb2317a066 10/packages/e17/e-wm_cvs.bb: [e-wm] Package the efm files somewhere else. we don't want to see firefox... and such |
| 12:27.48 | Dave | Ainulindale! |
| 12:28.01 | Dave | fix your app :p |
| 12:28.31 | ieatlint | dns is overrated, just learn ip address... |
| 12:28.37 | Dave | huhu |
| 12:29.12 | ieatlint | just remember 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 |
| 12:29.15 | LetoTo | ieatlint: you obviously have not deployed ipv6 yet :) |
| 12:29.22 | Ainulindale | Dave: which one ? |
| 12:29.32 | ieatlint | if you ever need a dns server, those are easy to remember (they're on the US backbone, part of genuity) |
| 12:29.48 | Toaster` | blippe: I reveived mine from koolu on Wednesday |
| 12:29.50 | ieatlint | LetoTo, indeed, and i really don't understand why they're deploying it as they are |
| 12:30.11 | LetoTo | ieatlint: cause the internet is more then port over port 80 |
| 12:30.18 | LetoTo | s/port/porn/ |
| 12:30.19 | LetoTo | :) |
| 12:30.23 | ieatlint | haha |
| 12:30.32 | ieatlint | LetoTo, not my point |
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| 12:30.42 | ieatlint | i've very competent with tcp/ip |
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| 12:30.48 | ieatlint | my point is that why do it as they are? |
| 12:30.58 | ieatlint | ok, so ipv4 doesn't have enough space |
| 12:31.12 | ieatlint | and ipv6 addresses are too hard to remember generally |
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| 12:31.37 | ieatlint | so why not categorise by apnic/arin/etc |
| 12:31.37 | LetoTo | listen. i spend 80% of my time out of my house behind fucking NAT :P |
| 12:31.40 | leinir | That's where ubiqutous DNS comes into the picture, really :) |
| 12:31.40 | LetoTo | it's a problem :P |
| 12:31.58 | LetoTo | what is "ubiqutous DNS" ? |
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| 12:32.04 | ieatlint | and turn 1.2.3.4 into 1::1:2:3:4 for arin, 2::1:2:3:$ for apnic, etc |
| 12:32.13 | leinir | DNS assigned to every single IP given out |
| 12:32.16 | ieatlint | i can remember one consistent extra number |
| 12:32.40 | LetoTo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:33.10 | LetoTo | believes everyone who claims to have solutions for 'the internet' should be forced to attend an IETF :P |
| 12:33.22 | ieatlint | never claimed a solution |
| 12:33.37 | ieatlint | i said i didn't understand, which doesn't proclaim absolute knowledge :P |
| 12:33.49 | ieatlint | and yeah, i've dealt very little with routing |
| 12:34.45 | LetoTo | well, your "not a solution" won't work :) |
| 12:35.04 | ieatlint | don't be mean :P |
| 12:35.10 | ieatlint | call it an idea that won't work |
| 12:35.11 | ieatlint | :P |
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| 12:37.29 | Ainulindale | Dave ? |
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| 12:59.06 | ieatlint | i have cookies! |
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| 13:00.04 | HauDyr | "C is for cookie, it's good enough for me; oh cookie cookie cookie starts with C." |
| 13:00.05 | leinir | Yay cookies! :) |
| 13:00.25 | ieatlint | sometimes food my ass... i grew up on the original cookie monster |
| 13:00.39 | opendeep | Ainulindale:I tried by changing DNS ip in /etc/resolve.conf but no effect. |
| 13:01.05 | Ainulindale | opendeep: check if you can ping a computer on your network (not the host) |
| 13:02.37 | ieatlint | opendeep, on the freerunner, type "nslookup google.com 4.2.2.1" ... if you have an internet connection, that will work, no matter what resolv.conf says |
| 13:04.29 | ieatlint | you can also ping 4.2.2.1... |
| 13:04.37 | HauDyr | ieatlint, cool ipaddress 4.2.2.1 and good to know anoter DNS server |
| 13:04.50 | ieatlint | yeah, 4.2.2.2 |
| 13:04.52 | ieatlint | as well |
| 13:05.08 | ieatlint | and so forth... : |
| 13:05.10 | ieatlint | :P |
| 13:05.15 | ieatlint | .3, .4, .5 |
| 13:05.26 | HauDyr | 4.2.2.255 :-) |
| 13:05.40 | ieatlint | 254 works |
| 13:05.55 | ieatlint | lol, so did 255 ... just goes to show, 255 is a valid ip |
| 13:06.13 | HauDyr | aah 255 is broadcast |
| 13:06.40 | ieatlint | wait, the freerunner is just caching |
| 13:06.41 | opendeep | ping to above ip's did n't work |
| 13:07.01 | Ainulindale | opendeep: so your routing isn't that good =) |
| 13:07.04 | ieatlint | 4.2.2.1 - 4.2.2.6 |
| 13:07.11 | Ainulindale | Did you follow the instructions on the wiki ? |
| 13:07.19 | Ainulindale | ~USB networking |
| 13:07.20 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, usbnet is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking or and usbnet in 2.4.18 (desktop) is broken, you want to use > 2.4.19-pre2 or see windows usbnet for windows support or a patched version is at http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/usbnet/, or at http://zorian.kicks-ass.org/files/usbnet-2.4.21-rc7.tar.gz, or http://handhelds.org/~mallum/usbnet-2.4.20.patch, or dhcp over usbnet, ... |
| 13:07.28 | opendeep | yes |
| 13:07.32 | Ainulindale | Hmpf, never the good url. |
| 13:07.38 | Ainulindale | opendeep: it looks as if you didn't |
| 13:07.45 | Dave | :o |
| 13:07.52 | Ainulindale | If you can't ping you probably didn't set up your host right |
| 13:07.58 | Ainulindale | Dave: you didn't answer |
| 13:08.08 | Ainulindale | opendeep: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 13:08.18 | Dave | what, about your app being broken? :D |
| 13:08.23 | ieatlint | someone needs to tell busybox that nslookup in it acts like the host command, not nslookup |
| 13:08.24 | Ainulindale | Which app ? |
| 13:08.34 | opendeep | ping to 192.168.0.200 is working. |
| 13:08.40 | Ainulindale | That's normal |
| 13:09.10 | Ainulindale | Dave: which app are you talking about ? |
| 13:09.33 | Tm_T | "extra, extra, read all about it" -- ooooh tommy <3 |
| 13:10.00 | ieatlint | you can read all you want about me ;) |
| 13:10.19 | Tm_T | ieatlint: hrrr, only if you keep your pants on |
| 13:10.37 | ieatlint | maybe i'm a really hot chick... |
| 13:10.51 | Tm_T | especially in that case |
| 13:10.53 | ieatlint | hehe, ok, fine... no woman owns a FR |
| 13:11.02 | Tm_T | ieatlint: untrue, son |
| 13:11.09 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: or maybe you're a tiny angry man with a hump |
| 13:11.18 | Ainulindale | (and using windows xp) |
| 13:11.20 | ieatlint | i'm actually rather tall |
| 13:11.27 | ieatlint | it's the hump that's tiny |
| 13:11.28 | HauDyr | Igor is that you! |
| 13:11.36 | Ainulindale | Ach' master ! |
| 13:11.41 | ieatlint | windows xp ... blah |
| 13:11.45 | ieatlint | i'm a linux guy |
| 13:11.57 | ieatlint | have been solely linux since january 2003 |
| 13:12.03 | HauDyr | with a hump and a limp |
| 13:12.11 | ieatlint | run a linux server at my home since 2000 |
| 13:12.52 | HauDyr | my first linux was ReadHat 5.1 |
| 13:13.01 | ieatlint | ah, you beat me... 6.4 |
| 13:13.32 | ieatlint | bought a cd of it... still have it somewhere |
| 13:13.38 | HauDyr | and i have used OS/2 2.1 and WARP, those were the days |
| 13:13.56 | ieatlint | hah, wait, there was no 6.4 ... hmmm, |
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| 13:14.18 | ieatlint | must've been 6.2, which was march 00 |
| 13:14.55 | leinir | 4.2 was my first RedHat :) |
| 13:14.56 | ieatlint | my first computer was a macintosh plus |
| 13:15.23 | HauDyr | leinir, i also tried Monkey linux but without success |
| 13:15.28 | Tm_T | hmm, redhat, never tried it, though used fedora for a while |
| 13:15.44 | leinir | This was before redhat started smoking crack ;) |
| 13:15.47 | ieatlint | i learnt on redhat... sucked |
| 13:16.00 | ieatlint | yeah, redhat didn't use to be bad |
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| 13:16.23 | ieatlint | i sat for the rhce on redhat 7.3 |
| 13:16.45 | ieatlint | walked away with rcp and rhce certificates, and i'm not sure i've touched redhat since |
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| 13:19.38 | ieatlint | i switched to gentoo.. never looked back |
| 13:20.53 | HauDyr | i have tried Redhat,Mandrake, SUsE, Slackware, Debian, Ubuntu and ended up using Debian on servers and Ubuntu on workstations |
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| 13:24.29 | VDVsx | I need a openmoko logo with transparent background, anyone know where I can find one ? |
| 13:25.17 | HauDyr | ieatlint, i just found this using the wayback machine: Monkey Linux v06, May 8 1997 |
| 13:25.54 | dino- | VDVsx: Not sure if any of these are trans: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Artwork |
| 13:25.59 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 13:26.02 | HauDyr | http://web.archive.org/web/19990129014834/www.spsselib.hiedu.cz/monkey/ |
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| 13:26.30 | VDVsx | dino-, no :( |
| 13:26.54 | ieatlint | oh man, i remember the 3c59x module! |
| 13:27.06 | ieatlint | i had a isa 3com card |
| 13:27.43 | HauDyr | those were the days |
| 13:27.51 | ieatlint | ne2000! hell yeah |
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| 13:28.06 | ieatlint | so few people these days know what ne2000 is... |
| 13:28.32 | HauDyr | they only know rtl8139 |
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| 13:28.47 | balrog-k1n | VDVsx: click the moko-plain-transparent one on this site |
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| 13:29.19 | ieatlint | hehe, i remember when rtl8139 was unstable |
| 13:29.37 | VDVsx | balrog-k1n: ah ok, I see thanks, but I need the horizontal logo :) |
| 13:29.47 | ieatlint | and i'm really too young to make statements like "i remember when.." |
| 13:31.36 | bumbl | has anyone of you already got the invisibleShield |
| 13:31.59 | ieatlint | bumbl, yep, finished installing the full body just a few hours ago |
| 13:33.54 | bumbl | ieatlint: how is the quality, how difficult is it to install, would you mind taking a photo? |
| 13:33.56 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: so, happy ? |
| 13:34.12 | HauDyr | ieatlint, redhat 5.1 http://www.macx.dk/50_Best_Tech/images/130207-45_redhatLinux_b.jpg redhat 6.2 http://everythinglinux.org/redhat62/ss1.jpg |
| 13:34.28 | ieatlint | uhm, overall i'd say the full body isn't worth it |
| 13:34.43 | ieatlint | the installation isn't too difficult, but kinda annoying |
| 13:34.48 | ieatlint | a little tedious |
| 13:35.01 | leinir | i've ordered a screen-only one :) |
| 13:36.09 | pjz | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.13 | pjz | it seems pretty good |
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| 13:36.26 | pjz | make the screen a little more rubbery-feeling |
| 13:36.33 | pjz | er, it makes the screen etc |
| 13:36.43 | jancona | join #openmoko-cdevel |
| 13:36.56 | opendeep | Ainulindale: I gone through USB networking , my resolve.conf look like this URL: http://rafb.net/p/H14QMT16.html |
| 13:37.02 | jancona | oops, sorry! |
| 13:37.17 | opendeep | can you verify it once |
| 13:37.18 | bumbl | and how long did you have to wait unil it was shipped? |
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| 13:37.37 | Dave | ECRAVEN |
| 13:37.54 | opendeep | mine is ubuntu system |
| 13:37.56 | Dave | IEATLINUX |
| 13:38.50 | ieatlint | just took pics, need to take them off my camera and upload |
| 13:40.09 | araujo | waiting for next shipment |
| 13:40.58 | pjz | what other openmoko channels are there? |
| 13:42.08 | balrog-k1n | there's the german neo1973 hackers channel |
| 13:42.12 | bumbl | pjz: there is neo1973-germany |
| 13:42.48 | Dave | Hei bumble :] |
| 13:43.04 | Dave | ieatlint, kinky. |
| 13:43.17 | balrog-k1n | return -ECRAVEN; |
| 13:43.36 | ieatlint | Dave, don't get your hopes up, i'm not uploading the naked pics of my girlfriend from this cf card |
| 13:43.59 | bumbl | hi Dave |
| 13:44.00 | pjz | ieatlint: you're supposed to erase those after she dumps you |
| 13:44.19 | Dave | :] |
| 13:44.23 | ieatlint | hah, nope |
| 13:44.27 | Dave | balrogkun ^^ |
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| 13:44.47 | ieatlint | we broke up for a year... i asked her if i should, she said no, then got kinda offended that i would even ask |
| 13:44.53 | ieatlint | as though "why would you want to?" |
| 13:45.02 | Dave | haha :P |
| 13:45.07 | Dave | smooth |
| 13:45.51 | leinir | pjz: If he does, he'll have nothing on her to stop her uploading the video of him in a tutu doing the dance of the sugar plum fairy to youtube ;) |
| 13:46.21 | Dave | leinir, he probably dances better than you, anyway :P |
| 13:46.42 | leinir | i would be surprised if that were not the case, my balance isn't particularly good ;) |
| 13:47.07 | Dave | Plus for all you know, he makes that tutu look hot ;) |
| 13:47.13 | leinir | i have a bad tendency to walk into doors and stuff like that, makes me look kinda silly ;) |
| 13:47.50 | Fossi | anybody got swap on their mokos? |
| 13:47.53 | ieatlint | uploading pics now |
| 13:48.00 | leinir | *giggles* of course! that doesn't mean straight-boi over there wanna get it plastered on the intartubes ;) |
| 13:48.03 | Dave | haha |
| 13:48.05 | Fossi | apparently compiling this takes too much ram |
| 13:48.14 | Dave | swap on! |
| 13:48.33 | ieatlint | i don't dance :P |
| 13:48.38 | ieatlint | i should though, hehe |
| 13:48.41 | Fossi | swap on an sd card should be pretty fast i guess |
| 13:48.45 | ieatlint | i don't care about being made a fool |
| 13:48.54 | ieatlint | any woman i'd want would just laugh with me |
| 13:49.08 | leinir | gets this flash of Dave doing the Fantastic Four pose as he says that... |
| 13:49.29 | Dave | :D |
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| 13:49.32 | leinir | ieatlint: Of course! :) |
| 13:49.33 | Dave | fuck yeah! |
| 13:49.51 | ieatlint | and most of my friends are gay, as a response to your straight-boi remark :P |
| 13:49.55 | Dave | fossi, it's not bad |
| 13:50.02 | Dave | o.O |
| 13:50.33 | Dave | he's more promiscuous than my freerunner's filesystem |
| 13:50.49 | leinir | ieatlint: That's why i knew i could say it and not have you throw a hissy-fit :) *giggles* i have no intention of actually pissing anyone off, that'd be silly :) |
| 13:51.24 | ieatlint | :P |
| 13:52.36 | ieatlint | http://picasaweb.google.com/ieatlint/Invisibleshield |
| 13:52.37 | Ainulindale | opendeep: if you can't even ping a computer in your network, it's probably an ip forward issue on the host |
| 13:52.42 | Ainulindale | Dave: you still didn't answer to me |
| 13:53.02 | ieatlint | as a warning, there's a pretty sexy pant covered leg in those pics too... (just be happy i'm wearing pants!) |
| 13:53.38 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rf31e95895002 10/src/zhone: fix startup ordering, reload messagebook on new message |
| 13:53.38 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r3bfc864302f9 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): use the contact list when sending SMS |
| 13:53.38 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r5538e8e37d4c 10/src/zhone: resolve number in SMS list |
| 13:54.00 | Fossi | glossy |
| 13:54.33 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 13:54.45 | ieatlint | the top and bottom kinda suck |
| 13:54.50 | Dave | SAh yes |
| 13:54.55 | Dave | ainu, you were doing sms app right? |
| 13:54.55 | ieatlint | it does like a flower pedal type thing... |
| 13:54.57 | Dave | or messaging |
| 13:55.11 | Dave | ieatlint? o.O |
| 13:55.34 | Dave | InvisibleLint! |
| 13:55.35 | opendeep | Ainulindale: do i need to set DNS of desktop in device? |
| 13:56.12 | ieatlint | when i go to linuxworld, i plan on holding one without the shield next to mine to really feel the difference |
| 13:56.17 | sparrow | Fossi - Be careful placing your swap file on the sd card. there is the issue of the slow bus speed, that might end up with a heavy io confict. |
| 13:56.58 | ieatlint | Fossi, do you even need swap? |
| 13:57.03 | ieatlint | i never fill my FR's ram |
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| 13:57.20 | Dave | Lint, it looks like it kind of sucks... |
| 13:57.29 | Dave | was it a pain to put on, too? |
| 13:57.39 | Fossi | ieatlint: i'm currently compiling on the moko |
| 13:57.43 | Ainulindale | Dave: not at all |
| 13:57.45 | ieatlint | wait, i take that back.... how the fuck am i using all but 11mb of ram? |
| 13:57.56 | Fossi | cross compiling crystalspace didn't work out so well |
| 13:58.01 | ieatlint | wtf is openmoko-today? |
| 13:58.01 | Dave | dude leave your freerunner on for 24hr |
| 13:58.04 | Dave | it runs out of memory |
| 13:58.04 | Ainulindale | opendeep: again, no relation to DNS there, it's a forward and/or routing problem |
| 13:58.05 | Dave | HAHAHAHA |
| 13:58.12 | Dave | ieatlint, it runs all the openmoko apps |
| 13:58.12 | SpeedEvil | Dave: that's what swap is for. |
| 13:58.13 | Dave | :D |
| 13:58.26 | Dave | SPEEDEVILSURPRISE! |
| 13:58.28 | Ainulindale | opendeep: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 13:58.29 | Dave | And yes, clearly :p |
| 13:58.41 | ieatlint | lol, killing it rebooted matchbox |
| 13:59.01 | ieatlint | damn, there are some very serious memory leaks! |
| 13:59.12 | Dave | yep |
| 13:59.17 | Dave | no fucking kidding |
| 13:59.23 | Dave | practically everything leaks like a motherfucker! |
| 13:59.34 | opendeep | Ainulindale: above command given 0 |
| 13:59.35 | Dave | opkg, tango, om itself, om-*-2 |
| 13:59.46 | Dave | it all leaks like a petrified pair of huggies |
| 13:59.48 | ieatlint | someone get their ass on valgrind for fuck's sake |
| 13:59.54 | Dave | I know, right? |
| 13:59.55 | Dave | :p |
| 14:00.04 | Dave | lazy programmerses, we hateses them. |
| 14:00.13 | Ainulindale | opendeep: so you didn't read correctly the wiki, as it tells you to set that to 1 |
| 14:00.18 | Ainulindale | opendeep: so please re-read it |
| 14:00.23 | Dave | throws doughnuts at Ainulindale |
| 14:00.24 | Ainulindale | And check if everything is set right |
| 14:00.35 | CaptObviousman | catches donuts and starts eating |
| 14:00.44 | CaptObviousman | immediately gains 5 lbs |
| 14:01.01 | Dave | :D |
| 14:01.05 | Ainulindale | Dave: If you keep throwing doughnuts at me I'll put an easter egg to blow your phone off when dialer3 will be out |
| 14:01.13 | ieatlint | i don't want to offend any programmers here... but... |
| 14:01.17 | Dave | Hooray! |
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| 14:01.23 | ieatlint | there are just some very sad mistakes they've made |
| 14:01.28 | Dave | no kidding |
| 14:01.28 | Ainulindale | Oh by the way |
| 14:01.39 | Ainulindale | Is anyone interested by building a "mood" daemon ? |
| 14:01.48 | peepsalot | no |
| 14:01.52 | peepsalot | :-P |
| 14:01.55 | Ainulindale | A daemon which would listen to the accelerometers and play a "mooooo" sound when you switch it over ? |
| 14:02.05 | Dave | :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 14:02.08 | ieatlint | lol |
| 14:02.12 | Dave | Ainulindale: I will fucking PAY you to do that! |
| 14:02.21 | ieatlint | that's actually not too easy to write |
| 14:02.23 | Ainulindale | It's better than a simple hello word to build a demo :-) |
| 14:02.28 | Dave | It's like turning the freerunner into a moobox |
| 14:02.29 | Dave | :DDDDD |
| 14:02.44 | ieatlint | the problem is that the accelerometer will read the same values when upside down as rightside up |
| 14:02.54 | Dave | It's totally non-trivial because step one is, replacing neod :P |
| 14:02.56 | Dave | haha |
| 14:03.00 | Dave | the rest is jokingly simple. |
| 14:03.04 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: that's why you have to detect the gesture |
| 14:03.08 | ieatlint | and why don't we say "upside down" and "upside right" or up? |
| 14:03.12 | Dave | assuming all the sound components fucntion properly |
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| 14:03.35 | peepsalot | why would it read the same thing when updside down? |
| 14:03.43 | Dave | it doesn't |
| 14:03.50 | Dave | it does directions fine |
| 14:03.52 | peepsalot | acellerometers detect the orientation of gravity |
| 14:03.54 | Ainulindale | peepsalot: Because ieatlint thinks so =) |
| 14:03.55 | Dave | orientations rather |
| 14:04.09 | Dave | ieatlint defies gravity, apparently. |
| 14:04.09 | ieatlint | screw you all :P |
| 14:04.14 | ieatlint | damn right i do |
| 14:04.15 | Dave | he must be HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE |
| 14:04.18 | Dave | :P |
| 14:04.24 | Ainulindale | Dave: Mooooooooouuuuuuge |
| 14:04.24 | peepsalot | maybe he lives in space |
| 14:04.25 | ieatlint | gravity is not 1g here |
| 14:04.27 | Dave | :D |
| 14:04.28 | ieatlint | it varies |
| 14:04.28 | Dave | hahaha |
| 14:04.44 | Dave | Attack of the secret Bovine Programmers? |
| 14:04.59 | Ainulindale | Seriously, once dialer3 will be finished, I'll build a mood |
| 14:05.02 | ieatlint | i'll slaughter them and bbq their asses |
| 14:05.08 | Ainulindale | Just to have some fun. |
| 14:05.12 | Dave | Yeah, but won't that take *forever* Ainulindale? |
| 14:05.16 | andreas | "apt-get moo" |
| 14:05.22 | Ainulindale | Dave: nope |
| 14:05.33 | Dave | even with all the problems you've been having |
| 14:05.41 | peepsalot | Ainulindale, i like your idea. i thought you were gonna say some stupid crap about storing the user's mood, and doing some crap about it, like chaning the color of leds , etc. |
| 14:05.41 | Dave | or are they slowly getting resolved, with help? |
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| 14:05.51 | Dave | hahahhaa peepsalot |
| 14:05.52 | Ainulindale | Dave: we had no problems |
| 14:05.58 | Ainulindale | Just some questions |
| 14:05.59 | Dave | sounds girly :P |
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| 14:06.04 | Dave | Ainulindale: ah, okay |
| 14:06.15 | Dave | So, it'll be done inside a week's time? |
| 14:06.16 | Dave | :D |
| 14:06.28 | Ainulindale | peepsalot: If I did want that I wouldn't have bought a Neo, I would have bought a nabaztag |
| 14:06.33 | Ainulindale | Dave: Seriously, I think so |
| 14:06.38 | Dave | Wow :D |
| 14:06.40 | Dave | awesome |
| 14:06.49 | Ainulindale | Only problem there are only two people working on it right now |
| 14:06.52 | ieatlint | what's a nabaztag? |
| 14:06.55 | Dave | Yeah :P |
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| 14:07.04 | Ainulindale | If we were four, two could focus on messages2 (the patch is rather simple) |
| 14:07.06 | Dave | ieatlint: german for douchebag? |
| 14:07.10 | Dave | :P |
| 14:07.12 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: a dumb device |
| 14:07.23 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: http://www.nabaztag.com/fr/index.html |
| 14:07.26 | Ainulindale | without the fr |
| 14:07.29 | ieatlint | in my limited knowledge of german, it doesn't mean douchebag |
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| 14:07.41 | Dave | :p |
| 14:07.45 | ieatlint | schwachkopf is douchebag according to my dictionary |
| 14:07.54 | Dave | hah |
| 14:08.06 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: I thought it was debianuzer in german |
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| 14:08.12 | Dave | >:O |
| 14:08.14 | ieatlint | lol |
| 14:08.16 | borg_ | lol |
| 14:08.18 | Dave | beats Ainulindale |
| 14:08.21 | Ainulindale | :-) |
| 14:08.26 | Dave | :P |
| 14:08.28 | ieatlint | debianbenutzer, actually |
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| 14:08.30 | Dave | What's the word for superhero? |
| 14:08.41 | ieatlint | oder debiannutzer |
| 14:08.50 | Dave | debianbuntuizer? |
| 14:08.55 | Dave | :p |
| 14:08.59 | Dave | then it takes care of both |
| 14:09.00 | ieatlint | lol, superhero isn't in this |
| 14:09.08 | Dave | :| |
| 14:09.10 | Dave | what is? |
| 14:09.11 | Dave | hero? |
| 14:09.12 | ieatlint | i will load the all-inclusive dictionary |
| 14:09.16 | Dave | awesome? |
| 14:09.23 | ieatlint | der Superheld |
| 14:09.27 | Dave | bah |
| 14:11.12 | ieatlint | the funny and common translations are with the german words dick, fahrt and mist |
| 14:11.22 | Dave | duitstalig. zwak. |
| 14:11.22 | ieatlint | which translate as thick, drive and crap |
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| 14:11.31 | ieatlint | eg, sierra mist == sierra crap |
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| 14:11.40 | Dave | yum? |
| 14:12.03 | ieatlint | and dicke fraue == thick women |
| 14:12.29 | Dave | o_O |
| 14:12.31 | Dave | uhh |
| 14:12.38 | Dave | sounds deceptively unappealing |
| 14:13.31 | oon | es tut mir leid, ich verstehe nicht deutsch :) (this is the only expression i remember from my school:)) |
| 14:13.48 | ieatlint | ach, du tust mir leid |
| 14:14.03 | oon | ;) |
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| 14:15.11 | ieatlint | you need to expand your german knowledge, there are many important phrases |
| 14:15.13 | F4te | hi, any israelis here? that already have an openmoko somehow? |
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| 14:15.35 | Sonicadvance1 | ducks and covers |
| 14:15.39 | ieatlint | eg, "das ist mein bein eigentlich" == "that's actually my leg" |
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| 14:18.52 | F4te | guess not... |
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| 14:22.14 | cheesy | "das ist eigentlich mein bein" |
| 14:22.20 | cheesy | i guess |
| 14:22.38 | CVirus | Ich habe eine exam tomorrow |
| 14:23.07 | cheesy | Ich habe morgen ein Examen. |
| 14:23.34 | CVirus | why not "Ich habe ein Examen in der morgen" |
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| 14:23.41 | cheesy | <- one thing I can :) |
| 14:23.58 | ieatlint | because time precedes subject |
| 14:24.08 | CVirus | hmm |
| 14:24.17 | cheesy | in der morgen is totally wrong |
| 14:24.25 | CVirus | i think i'll fuck up in tomorrow's exam |
| 14:24.31 | CVirus | i'll have to write a comosition of 90 words |
| 14:24.39 | ieatlint | auf deutsch? |
| 14:24.42 | cheesy | if its in the morning it's am morgen |
| 14:24.44 | CVirus | Ja |
| 14:24.49 | sandman__ | hey what do you guys have for: ls -la /sbin/init on your device? |
| 14:24.50 | ieatlint | viel glück |
| 14:24.53 | Tanuva | cheesy: am Morgen ;) |
| 14:25.05 | CVirus | ieatlint: danke |
| 14:25.15 | cheesy | Tanuva: you're right |
| 14:25.21 | balrog-k1n | ich habe mein hausaufgabe vergessen |
| 14:25.23 | CVirus | ieatlint: Hast du ein website dass hilfen mich ? |
| 14:25.23 | balrog-k1n | only thing i remember |
| 14:25.28 | ieatlint | as i recall, it's time place subject in german |
| 14:25.28 | CVirus | do you have a website that would help me ? |
| 14:25.37 | Tanuva | balrog-k1n: hausaufgabe is female, "meine hausaufgabe" :) |
| 14:25.55 | cheesy | CVirus: dict.leo.org |
| 14:26.06 | ieatlint | "hast du einen website, was mir helfe" i think |
| 14:26.19 | balrog-k1n | i knew something was goingto be wrong :) |
| 14:26.27 | ieatlint | and yeah, dict.leo.org rules |
| 14:26.34 | CVirus | ieatlint: thanks |
| 14:26.37 | CVirus | cheesy: thanks |
| 14:26.49 | ieatlint | it never fails for dictionary lookup, and has a very decent "vocab trainer" |
| 14:26.51 | cheesy | np |
| 14:26.57 | CVirus | it's in deutsch ! |
| 14:26.57 | johnsu01 | Anyone feel like making a trip to their local Apple Store to ask why the iPhone doesn't allow free software to be installed? :) http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_Questions_Give_Apple_the_iPhone_Challenge_2 |
| 14:27.07 | ieatlint | CVirus, click the union jack |
| 14:27.24 | ieatlint | drück den union jack ;) |
| 14:27.27 | CVirus | huh ? |
| 14:27.41 | cheesy | CVirus: i thought you want to learn german |
| 14:27.42 | ieatlint | the british/uk flag |
| 14:27.53 | cheesy | CVirus: but there is a english version too |
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| 14:28.11 | cheesy | CVirus: http://dict.leo.org/ende?lang=en&lp=ende&search= |
| 14:28.23 | ieatlint | oh wait, it's not a union jack, it's the "English Version" button |
| 14:28.40 | ieatlint | anyway, the fact it's in german shouldn't matter much :P |
| 14:28.52 | cheesy | or you click the link i posted |
| 14:28.55 | ieatlint | you a year one? |
| 14:29.14 | ieatlint | or this shorter link (hah!): http://dict.leo.org/ende?lang=en |
| 14:29.32 | CVirus | thanks |
| 14:29.41 | cheesy | maybe you could even use tinyurl |
| 14:30.22 | cheesy | me was teh faul |
| 14:30.26 | ieatlint | german has the craziest grammar, and i nevere understood it all |
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| 14:31.12 | ieatlint | but in english, any time you use can use "that" to bridge two clauses, you must use both a comma and a preposition in german |
| 14:31.17 | gmaxwell | I hear there are spiffy qtopia daily builds someplace. Where do I find them? :) |
| 14:31.42 | ieatlint | eg, "i knew i was stupid" is "ich weiß, das ich dumme bin" |
| 14:32.12 | cheesy | ieatlint: english has much easier grammar...still i make mistakes all the time :) |
| 14:32.23 | ieatlint | we all do :) |
| 14:32.41 | ieatlint | i make less mistakes than most |
| 14:33.21 | cheesy | internet (chat) is destroying grammar anyway |
| 14:33.29 | ieatlint | the average american does not know when to use fewer vs less, or was vs were in hypothetical situations |
| 14:33.35 | cheesy | no capitals etc. |
| 14:34.20 | ieatlint | classically, supermarkets with "10 items or less" lanes |
| 14:34.37 | gmaxwell | Were I to find the qtopia daily image where would I be looking? |
| 14:34.38 | ieatlint | fewer is used when referring to a specific number... |
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| 14:39.38 | SpeedEvil | How to get 100 mbit over GPRS. |
| 14:39.40 | SpeedEvil | http://www.xkcd.com/ |
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| 14:40.49 | ieatlint | that totally works... |
| 14:41.54 | ieatlint | i just realised i am quite covered in cuts from a kitten :( |
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| 14:44.54 | cheesy | ieatlint: thank you i should be a bit smarter now ;) |
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| 14:46.14 | bumbl|reading | [16:31:42] <ieatlint> eg, "i knew i was stupid" is "ich weiß, das ich dumme bin" <- it's even more difficult because it is not "das" but "dass" |
| 14:46.45 | ieatlint | ah, that crazy language reform |
| 14:47.03 | ieatlint | the whole exclusion of daß confused me all the more |
| 14:47.05 | bumbl|reading | before the language reform it was daß |
| 14:47.07 | ieatlint | dass versus das... |
| 14:48.10 | bumbl|reading | it sometimes even confuses the natives */me thinks of his german teacher going mad after one test because half of the class gave a damn on das dass* |
| 14:48.26 | Chocky | Ah, ze Germans |
| 14:48.56 | ieatlint | yeah, half my german friends insist on daß |
| 14:49.10 | ieatlint | although, i suppose with the language reform, it's weiss and not weiß, isn't it? |
| 14:49.16 | Chocky | Then the umulat vs ue thing |
| 14:49.38 | bumbl|reading | but word order in german is easier than in english: in theory you are able to order them to your liking but the predicate has to be on the second position in a normal sentence |
| 14:49.46 | ieatlint | that's different, ü is ue |
| 14:49.50 | bumbl|reading | no it is still weiß |
| 14:50.03 | bumbl|reading | äöü |
| 14:50.11 | ieatlint | yep |
| 14:50.14 | Chocky | ieatlint: well yes. |
| 14:50.21 | ieatlint | you and your confusing langauge :P |
| 14:50.40 | ieatlint | our spelling/pronunciation may be crazy, but our grammar really isn't too bad |
| 14:51.01 | Chocky | Just don't say "informations" |
| 14:51.06 | ieatlint | we don't have 3 genders for one thing, just 1 |
| 14:51.23 | Fossi | actually, you do |
| 14:51.23 | Chocky | only 3? :o |
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| 14:51.59 | sybesis | hi there |
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| 14:52.14 | bumbl | what I hate is russian grammar; it is hard to learn and they seem to have an exception for nearly everything; english and spanish seem easier to learn |
| 14:52.17 | ieatlint | we have a handful of gender-specific noun |
| 14:52.18 | ieatlint | s |
| 14:52.34 | ieatlint | although they're disappearing |
| 14:52.34 | sybesis | bumbl: french is harder to learn |
| 14:52.52 | ieatlint | actor and waiter are now appropriate for male and female |
| 14:53.12 | ieatlint | god, goddess; host, hostess ... all can use the masculine form for either gender now |
| 14:53.22 | Chocky | more or less |
| 14:53.52 | ieatlint | we have bizarre prepositions at times though |
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| 14:54.02 | Chocky | goes boldly. |
| 14:54.04 | ieatlint | i ride in a car, and on the train ... |
| 14:54.17 | borg_ | in german you can make funny long names like eisenbahnfahrermützenhersteller, that are correct german words |
| 14:54.20 | borg_ | i like that :) |
| 14:54.21 | Chocky | Personally, I ride in the train ;-) |
| 14:54.22 | gmaxwell | checks the channel name |
| 14:54.37 | bumbl | the problem with french is that the pronounciation is totally diffrent to how you spell the word i think; can't tell for sure though because I am only having english, spanish, russian and latin at school |
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| 14:54.46 | borg_ | s/names/nouns/ |
| 14:54.50 | Chocky | "only" |
| 14:54.56 | ieatlint | bumbl, only kinda |
| 14:54.57 | sybesis | i'm a french speaker |
| 14:55.01 | ieatlint | french is weird for people who don't speak it |
| 14:55.04 | sybesis | we have a lot of homophones |
| 14:55.10 | ieatlint | but the letter combinations make specific sounds |
| 14:55.14 | Chocky | bumbl: if you know Spansih pronunciation, you know almost all French |
| 14:55.38 | ieatlint | english is crazy because it has words from so many languages that you have to know where the word is from to pronounce it |
| 14:55.38 | bumbl | sure? to me spanish and french sound totally differen |
| 14:55.40 | bumbl | t |
| 14:55.52 | sybesis | sounds the same mostly |
| 14:56.05 | ieatlint | spanish from spain maybe |
| 14:56.06 | Chocky | They're distinct languages, but have much in common |
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| 14:56.15 | ieatlint | mexican spanish... completely different from french |
| 14:56.29 | cheesy | BURRRRITTO |
| 14:56.29 | ieatlint | i dislike the sound of it... spanish spanish is pleasant, although not as pleasant as french |
| 14:56.40 | ieatlint | italian falls between spanish spanish and mexican spanish |
| 14:56.47 | Chocky | fantastico |
| 14:56.51 | sybesis | yup french sound pretty good compared to english :P |
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| 14:57.05 | Chocky | Yes, except for rock songs |
| 14:57.09 | sybesis | lol |
| 14:57.09 | ieatlint | but our internets are killing your languages! |
| 14:57.16 | Sargun_screen | Is there an i8n effort for OpenMoko? |
| 14:57.31 | sybesis | i8n? |
| 14:57.44 | Sargun_screen | Thank god english speaking nations were in power during globalization. |
| 14:57.48 | bumbl | borg_: yes that's quite funny to compose such words, in elementary school we composed a noun with >50 letters which was correct german grammer and made more or less sense |
| 14:57.48 | leinir | l10n |
| 14:57.50 | Sargun_screen | i8n = internationalization |
| 14:57.55 | ieatlint | lol |
| 14:57.59 | borg_ | bumbl: :) |
| 14:58.49 | leinir | Sargun_screen: It's i18n, not i8n ;) |
| 14:58.49 | leinir | (count the letters) |
| 14:58.50 | ieatlint | it's because germanic countries generally prefer learning english over french, and the rest of the developed world tends to speak english |
| 14:58.50 | cheesy | yeah! internet kills ervery language ;) |
| 14:58.50 | ieatlint | the rest of europe thinks france is as arrogant as we americans do |
| 14:58.50 | Chocky | Even English - "lol" |
| 14:58.50 | swc|666 | i must have got one of the better FRs for gps |
| 14:58.50 | sybesis | i'm learning russian on my own |
| 14:58.55 | gmaxwell | Sargun_screen, you mean i18n |
| 14:58.56 | ieatlint | (the also think the uk is just as arrogant) |
| 14:59.08 | leinir | gmaxwell: That's kinda what i said ;) |
| 14:59.14 | ieatlint | and the americans are mostly mindless bumbling idiots who meddle in others' affairs |
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| 14:59.21 | Chocky | UK arrogance is different. |
| 14:59.35 | ieatlint | which is why i say i'm from california, and not the US :P |
| 14:59.37 | bumbl | [16:57:09] <ieatlint> but our internets are killing your languages! <- full ack |
| 14:59.41 | sybesis | can someone tell me which version of openmoko is selling |
| 14:59.50 | Chocky | I'm from California (now) and lived in the UK |
| 14:59.51 | sybesis | a5 or a6 |
| 14:59.56 | bumbl | v6 |
| 15:00.02 | ieatlint | i should put the california flag on my bags like the canadians put their flag on theirs when traveling abroad |
| 15:00.15 | cheesy | k thiz an il pr0j3ct |
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| 15:00.16 | Chocky | ieatlint@tehinterweb.com |
| 15:00.23 | Chocky | :o |
| 15:00.28 | sybesis | so it's the final hardware... |
| 15:00.31 | ieatlint | that's my email address too :) |
| 15:00.47 | Chocky | linty: British do that even more so. |
| 15:01.06 | Chocky | Esp naturalized Asians |
| 15:01.32 | joejarvis | also checks channel title |
| 15:01.36 | cheesy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.46 | Chocky | open = open, moko = language discussion |
| 15:02.17 | ieatlint | well, i'm from a proud minority that is actually aware of the outside world, and can identify an irish, scottish and english flag (nobody cares about wales) |
| 15:02.25 | sybesis | any advice to learn russian without cours? |
| 15:02.31 | sybesis | books? |
| 15:02.36 | Chocky | Actually, where I come from, a moko is a full face "tattoo". I quote that, because it's actually chiselled in, rather than just ink. |
| 15:03.01 | bumbl | sybesis: books are a good starting point |
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| 15:03.12 | Chocky | linty: I know, too few vowels. |
| 15:03.15 | toggles_w | ieatlint: only when they are punching their mothers in posh london hotels.. |
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| 15:03.17 | Sargun_screen | Whoa, that's scary |
| 15:03.23 | bumbl | but you need either a native or some audio guide to train the pronounciation |
| 15:03.36 | sybesis | i listen to radio a lot |
| 15:03.46 | sybesis | and i have a correspondant |
| 15:03.52 | Sargun_screen | Radio announcers don't sound like normal people. |
| 15:03.58 | Sargun_screen | They talk fast too |
| 15:04.09 | Chocky | or they sound like BBC English |
| 15:04.14 | sybesis | i just lack the grammar and vocabulary...i can read by the way |
| 15:04.23 | bumbl | Chocky: bbc english is fine |
| 15:04.24 | sybesis | but i don't know what it means |
| 15:04.26 | opendeep | when I opkg update , got Signature check failed error , so need to set dns name of desktop in device resolve.conf ? |
| 15:04.44 | Chocky | bumbl: yes, but it doesn't help at all to understand for example, The Patter |
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| 15:05.41 | Sargun_screen | Listen to podcasts |
| 15:06.33 | bumbl | sybesis: learning reading is easy but the next step is hard, i have been learning it for two years now and i could read after 2 months but at the moment I am only able to do very very basic communication with many grammar mistakes |
| 15:07.22 | sybesis | from what i know the case things are pretty cool |
| 15:08.00 | Chocky | Patter = mix of English, Scots, slang and heavy accect spoken in Glasgow |
| 15:09.27 | sybesis | i plan to move to russia for school for some time... i won't have much choice to learn it pretty fast |
| 15:09.51 | Chocky | In Soviet russia, lanugage learn you! |
| 15:10.00 | sybesis | yes it does |
| 15:10.08 | bumbl | Chocky: yes but one is only able to watch cnn, bbc international and bbc prime you won't hear any local dialect |
| 15:10.16 | bumbl | * if one |
| 15:10.49 | opendeep | what is valid DNS server, I put 192.168.0.200 and ping is working so does it mean dns is valid? |
| 15:11.29 | bumbl | opendeep: try to ping www.google.com and you will know |
| 15:11.34 | Tanuva | opendeep: if you ping a fqdn, yes. if not, no |
| 15:11.44 | Chocky | bumbl: true, you won't get many Glaswegians on BBC, but you could get Brummies and people frmo Newcastle, which may be challenging for an American to understand |
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| 15:12.22 | Pyrasi | sooo...i upgraded my ASU last night, and suddenly exposure wont run....anyone know any fixes for this? |
| 15:12.34 | Tanuva | exposure never ran for me.. |
| 15:12.37 | Chocky | exposure has never run for me. I still don't know what it does |
| 15:12.52 | opendeep | bumbl: on Neo1973 ping www.google.com ---> ping: bad address 'www.google.com' |
| 15:12.53 | Pyrasi | its a nice settings gui...it was working for me before |
| 15:13.18 | Pyrasi | opendeep: set your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:13.45 | opendeep | it's set to 192.168.0.200 |
| 15:14.01 | Pyrasi | set it to an opendns ip addy |
| 15:14.01 | sybesis | any news about the gps problem? |
| 15:14.02 | bumbl | opendeep: then it does not seem to be the proper dns |
| 15:14.16 | Chocky | sybesis: try latest kernel |
| 15:14.21 | Ainulindale | opendeep: can you ping your network ? |
| 15:14.33 | Pyrasi | opendeep change the address to: 208.67.220.220 |
| 15:14.34 | Ainulindale | If you can, now, try putting your host resolv.conf in the neo's |
| 15:14.54 | sybesis | i dont have a moko for now :( still waiting magick money |
| 15:15.30 | wurp2|awayish | I prefer to run dnsmasq on my linux box & leave the nameserver in resolv.conf pointing to my linx machine, personally |
| 15:15.32 | bumbl | Pyrasi: asu seems to be pretty screwed up at the moment which indicates that it is under heavy development, each time I do a opkg upgrade something ceases to work but another thing starts to work again |
| 15:15.59 | Chocky | heh |
| 15:16.03 | Chocky | finds it all unusuable |
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| 15:16.12 | Pyrasi | bumbl: do you have the repositories pointed to the ASU stuff? |
| 15:16.20 | Chocky | hm, tangogps update |
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| 15:16.21 | Pyrasi | by default they are pointed to the wrong repos |
| 15:16.32 | bumbl | Pyrasi: yes I changed that |
| 15:16.42 | bumbl | according to the mailing list |
| 15:16.44 | slurpster | guys, is anyone here in taiwan? |
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| 15:17.27 | Pyrasi | hmm...thats sad then =( Mine works really well atm except for exposure. The phone calls are working well enough, the sound comes back after resume, and the little red light even comes on when charging =) |
| 15:17.52 | Pyrasi | i even got vte (terminal app) working last night |
| 15:19.00 | sybesis | do you guys pay for incoming sms? |
| 15:19.17 | Ainulindale | Nope |
| 15:19.21 | Chocky | yes, this is the United States of Telco Monopoly |
| 15:19.22 | borg_ | no (lol) |
| 15:19.34 | sybesis | Ah so its your fault |
| 15:19.35 | Pyrasi | yea...i do too |
| 15:19.42 | sybesis | I hate US |
| 15:19.49 | sybesis | Canada is becoming like US |
| 15:19.58 | Chocky | or rather, I don't, since I don't have any service right now |
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| 15:20.18 | opendeep | Ainulindale: I tried with host DNS servers, but no effect , see this log URL: http://rafb.net/p/ajTbDz94.html |
| 15:20.31 | borg_ | thats silly, so if you get tons of advertisement sms you pay for it? |
| 15:20.34 | Ainulindale | opendeep: are you able to ping your network or not ? |
| 15:20.38 | sybesis | I'm just seriously scared, i got my phone sms spammed last month |
| 15:20.47 | Ainulindale | If you can't, you won't be able to do a thing, as I told you before |
| 15:21.14 | slurpster | actually, in japan, you pay for incoming emails on your cell so spam gets realy expensive. |
| 15:21.19 | bumbl | you have to pay to receive sms? are they crazy? i don't even pay for sending sms |
| 15:21.29 | Chocky | they do, because they can |
| 15:21.34 | slurpster | btw,, thats for iMode. |
| 15:21.37 | sybesis | exactly |
| 15:21.39 | nite613 | bumbl: Crazy is not the word. Greedy MFers is the word |
| 15:21.58 | sybesis | bumbl: in which country are you? |
| 15:22.03 | bumbl | Austria |
| 15:22.17 | sybesis | wow |
| 15:22.20 | borg_ | you can get a sms flat in germany too |
| 15:22.24 | borg_ | if you like |
| 15:22.38 | Chocky | so you can pay 1000 times what it costs to email |
| 15:23.05 | bumbl | I have a contract which suits my needs 0€ basic charge 1000 sms for free 3.9c to all networks |
| 15:23.14 | opendeep | Ainulindale:ping to network mean ping host ip from device? |
| 15:23.30 | Chocky | and how much is the contract? ;o |
| 15:23.47 | bumbl | basic charge 0€ as I told you |
| 15:23.55 | Chocky | er. |
| 15:24.02 | Chocky | the overall contract? |
| 15:24.07 | opendeep | Ainulindale:able to ping my network |
| 15:24.10 | bumbl | yes |
| 15:24.23 | Chocky | and the calls? |
| 15:24.49 | bumbl | 3.9c = 0.039c per minute |
| 15:25.00 | sybesis | i pay 20$ for 50 min no sms |
| 15:25.04 | Chocky | I see, it wasn't very clear from your statement. |
| 15:25.07 | sybesis | without fee |
| 15:25.09 | borg_ | sybesis: wtf? |
| 15:25.22 | Chocky | that's a pretty good deal |
| 15:25.30 | borg_ | you can get a flat fpr 20$ per month here |
| 15:25.40 | Chocky | here it'd be US$0.10/min without SMS |
| 15:26.07 | sybesis | they seriously stole us here |
| 15:26.28 | sybesis | if i have to pay incoming sms that will be just crazy |
| 15:26.32 | Ainulindale | opendeep: I don't mean the 192.168.0.200 ip |
| 15:26.52 | Ainulindale | I mean any other computer on your network, as an example |
| 15:27.20 | sybesis | thats why developping thing like voip and openmoko is a good thing... |
| 15:27.21 | opendeep | Ainulindale:I able to ping other systems in my network from device |
| 15:27.33 | sybesis | wimax too if it doesn't cost a arm |
| 15:27.49 | Ainulindale | opendeep: then on your host system, get an IP of a known website, and try to ping it from the Neo |
| 15:28.09 | bumbl | it was a kind of pr campain last christmas (usually one would have to pay 3.9€ standing fee/basic charge per month) so that I don't have to pay any fees for 20 months (and a minimum contract period of 18 months) |
| 15:28.15 | sybesis | because cellphone company clearly make the price higher than needed because there is the market and people don't have any choice than to pay their price |
| 15:29.20 | sybesis | thats like 6$ or 7$ per month |
| 15:29.23 | Chocky | there's always the choice not to get one. |
| 15:29.36 | sybesis | i have because i live in an appartement |
| 15:29.41 | Chocky | FR is my first phone in 3 years |
| 15:29.51 | sybesis | and we don't have anything else...i could buy a padget |
| 15:29.51 | Chocky | and that was a Nokia 3210 in the UK |
| 15:30.05 | Chocky | and I still don't have a plan yet |
| 15:30.16 | bumbl | isn't there something like a competition in the US and canada; i know there aren't any regulators like for example in austria |
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| 15:30.39 | Chocky | there is no meaningful competition in the US |
| 15:30.39 | sybesis | there is no real competition |
| 15:30.46 | sybesis | same here |
| 15:31.00 | sybesis | it start a bit with virgin mobile and koodo |
| 15:31.01 | Chocky | for internet, for example, you have the choice of the local cable monopoly or the local phone monopoly |
| 15:31.08 | sybesis | ahah yeah |
| 15:31.19 | borg_ | thats pretty bad |
| 15:31.27 | sybesis | or the company that use the network of these 2 monopoly |
| 15:32.10 | sybesis | bell wanted to trothle the speed of their connection for torrents etc. So same if i wasn't with bell explicitely, i had my torrents limited to 30ko/s |
| 15:32.14 | Chocky | All the prices for contracts are much the same across wireless carriers - about $40/month for 2 years, and never mind the iPhone debacle. Although T-mobile do a reasonable PAYG deal - $100 for 1000 minutes. |
| 15:32.22 | sybesis | try to download a linux distro at this speed |
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| 15:32.36 | ronny | yo |
| 15:32.36 | Chocky | sybesis: apt-get :o |
| 15:32.43 | ronny | is unhappy |
| 15:32.45 | sybesis | yeah but you still need the ISO |
| 15:32.52 | Chocky | that's onl 40MB |
| 15:32.56 | borg_ | are the phone companies in the us allowed to arrange prices? they would get sued like hell in germany :) |
| 15:33.07 | Chocky | and an HTTP download |
| 15:33.08 | sybesis | oh but if you don't want a debian based distro |
| 15:33.21 | sybesis | http download is faster thats just ironic |
| 15:33.25 | Chocky | no, I don't want an RPM-based no, no matter what. |
| 15:34.00 | sybesis | i love my fedora box ;) |
| 15:34.17 | bumbl | as for internet: we do have an internet monopoly too: one company which was run by the state in former times owns all the lines; now they are a company of their own and have to sell the cables to other companies |
| 15:34.20 | Chocky | except when it has to do something slightly unusual. like, *shock* make a new kernel. that's near impossible. |
| 15:34.38 | Chocky | Fedora is too easy to install, and too hard to change. and it's full of problems. |
| 15:34.51 | sybesis | didn't ran into any problem |
| 15:34.58 | Chocky | yet. you will. |
| 15:35.01 | bumbl | borg_: in the us they don't have such nice regulators and kartellaufsichtbehörden like in europe |
| 15:35.13 | sybesis | nah i'm used to it |
| 15:35.19 | sybesis | i don't call it problem |
| 15:35.24 | Chocky | I especially hate how that if a package's post install step fails, it's still considered successfully installed. |
| 15:35.26 | sybesis | just pleasure of life |
| 15:35.37 | Chocky | no, broken :o |
| 15:35.40 | sybesis | it never happened |
| 15:35.52 | Chocky | ok, please tell me how to make a custom kernel under Fedora |
| 15:36.02 | Chocky | or indeed, install stock kernel from kernel.org |
| 15:36.15 | sybesis | the only problem i had was when using smart package manager and i didn't looked at which repos i was updating from... |
| 15:36.23 | sybesis | i was updating from rawhide |
| 15:36.27 | Chocky | RPM hell. |
| 15:36.37 | Chocky | *facepalm* |
| 15:36.39 | sybesis | and wasn't able to go back to previous version |
| 15:36.43 | bumbl | deb hell |
| 15:36.49 | Chocky | oh please |
| 15:36.53 | sybesis | emerge |
| 15:36.57 | Chocky | ricers. |
| 15:37.04 | Fossi | \o/ |
| 15:37.05 | ronny | are there any ui-enhancements since the freeruner relases? |
| 15:37.12 | Chocky | many |
| 15:37.13 | bumbl | portage rocks |
| 15:37.17 | Chocky | ricers! |
| 15:37.17 | sybesis | fireworks |
| 15:37.31 | Ainulindale | bumbl: portage o/ |
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| 15:37.40 | sybesis | \o |
| 15:37.53 | Fossi | we should have portage on the moko |
| 15:37.55 | balrog-k1n | portage <3 |
| 15:37.55 | KillrSunsetNinja | So, what's the point of Openmoko? |
| 15:37.58 | Fossi | no shitty crosscompiling |
| 15:38.10 | Fossi | KillrSunsetNinja: there's none. bye. |
| 15:38.14 | bumbl | Fossi: exactly what I thought last week |
| 15:38.15 | Chocky | yeah, no shitty short compiles ;-) |
| 15:38.27 | borg_ | KillrSunsetNinja: world domination, in the long turn |
| 15:38.28 | Fossi | well, it seems i'm too dumb |
| 15:38.33 | KillrSunsetNinja | No I meant the device. |
| 15:38.34 | bumbl | as soon as I have my laptop back I will try to play with the arm toolchain |
| 15:38.34 | Chocky | I'm pretty sure there's an ARM Gentoo port. get going. |
| 15:38.46 | sybesis | borg_ Kittie domination |
| 15:38.47 | balrog-k1n | there is |
| 15:38.51 | Fossi | neither erlang, nor crystalspace wanted to crosscompile |
| 15:39.04 | balrog-k1n | people have it ontheir ipaqs and use |
| 15:39.07 | Fossi | one is bootstrapping, the other has loads of m4 and jam |
| 15:39.31 | Fossi | then again, compiling crystalspace on the moko uses too muc hmemory |
| 15:39.33 | Chocky | shudders at jam. |
| 15:39.41 | Fossi | jam is actually quite nice |
| 15:39.42 | sybesis | KillrSunsetNinja: It's a phone |
| 15:39.50 | bumbl | Chocky: yes there is one; portage is python and if debian runs on the neo gentoo should be running too |
| 15:39.55 | Fossi | the cs version is a bit, um, extended though |
| 15:40.03 | Chocky | less talk, more do. |
| 15:40.14 | Chocky | ARM Slackware will run just fine too. |
| 15:40.28 | sybesis | lot of work make jack a dull boy |
| 15:40.31 | olejorgenb | hm, when will the phones arrive at openmoko.com? /me wants |
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| 15:41.37 | bumbl | olejorgenb: the european resellers get the next batch the 15.8.2008 |
| 15:42.38 | sybesis | The next batch of shipments are scheduled to arrive on July 25th. |
| 15:42.47 | sybesis | thats what it says |
| 15:43.14 | bumbl | sybesis: no that was the planned date |
| 15:43.27 | bumbl | but due to the gps issue they get it later |
| 15:43.34 | Fossi | Chocky: well, how do you crosscompile? do you use om-conf? |
| 15:43.41 | bumbl | the freerunners will include a |
| 15:43.54 | bumbl | rework of the issue though |
| 15:44.00 | sybesis | i see |
| 15:44.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4556 10/developers/john_lee/pyfso/dialer.py: |
| 15:44.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: more support for network registration. |
| 15:44.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: * typo fix |
| 15:44.57 | sybesis | cool |
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| 15:45.39 | sybesis | do people get good battery life (listening only to music) |
| 15:46.38 | Fossi | couple of hours |
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| 15:47.15 | sybesis | would be cool if holding the aux button would close the screen/touchpad |
| 15:47.40 | leinir | It does that on ASU :) |
| 15:47.46 | sybesis | :D |
| 15:48.21 | Fossi | wouldn't it be cool if that was an easy configuration setting? |
| 15:48.22 | sybesis | i imagine in case of incoming call the screen is waken up |
| 15:48.36 | sybesis | key bindings |
| 15:49.42 | sybesis | a little config file that may contain key binding...click/hold button and screen region |
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| 15:52.22 | sybesis | a bit like what gnome lets you do |
| 15:52.41 | sybesis | creating key combination that will call a program |
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| 15:55.10 | sybesis | well good day all, i need food for my math exam |
| 15:55.13 | sybesis | good luck |
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| 16:04.34 | RodGo | Hi all, i am from peru, i would like to know how can i buy the neo freerunner |
| 16:04.47 | Chocky | visit the shop when they have some. |
| 16:04.49 | RodGo | and what kind of instant messenger software openmoko uses |
| 16:04.54 | Chocky | or there's one on ebay |
| 16:05.17 | RodGo | for example if i want to use windows live messenger, is there a way i can do it with open moko? |
| 16:05.20 | Chocky | whatever Linux IM client you want to port, install, etc |
| 16:05.24 | Chocky | oh dear |
| 16:05.31 | Chocky | that is a Windows program. |
| 16:05.35 | RodGo | so i can use pidgin, etc |
| 16:05.44 | Chocky | with some effort, perhaps. |
| 16:05.45 | RodGo | emesene |
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| 16:05.55 | Chocky | Zandini: San Diego! |
| 16:06.22 | RodGo | wow, i would like to invest and distribute this cool phone on my country |
| 16:06.28 | Chocky | The pidgin UI might not be real suitable to a small screen |
| 16:06.32 | RodGo | they are out of stock right? |
| 16:06.38 | Chocky | yes |
| 16:07.11 | Chocky | unless the online store says otherwise |
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| 16:10.04 | RodGo | Neo FreeRunner is currently SOLD OUT. |
| 16:10.05 | RodGo | The next batch of shipments are scheduled to arrive on July 25th. |
| 16:10.09 | RodGo | hope i can get one |
| 16:10.13 | RodGo | ^^ |
| 16:10.28 | Chocky | well, that is today :p |
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| 16:13.26 | Fossi | Chocky: , RodGo: pigin runs ok |
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| 16:13.39 | RodGo | i am trying to emulate openmoko |
| 16:13.40 | Chocky | well yes, "runs", I'm sure is no problem. |
| 16:13.47 | RodGo | to try it |
| 16:13.49 | RodGo | http://20bits.wordpress.com/2008/07/20/emulating-openmoko-on-linux/ |
| 16:13.56 | Chocky | that was never my point. Only that these things are designed for a larger desktop system. |
| 16:14.57 | Fossi | Chocky: it runs 'ok' |
| 16:15.03 | Chocky | sighs! |
| 16:15.09 | Fossi | it's not really suitable, but it's usable |
| 16:15.20 | Chocky | RodGo: there's some horrible wrapping that makes the instructions confusing. |
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| 16:15.53 | Fossi | as an im client it's fine |
| 16:16.08 | Fossi | for irc you have a smallish problem with the roomlist |
| 16:16.17 | Fossi | but you can move it all left/right |
| 16:16.24 | Hobart | y'know, a UI wrapper that fires up a virtual 1024x768 screen and lets the freerunner zoom up/down/around it would be cool |
| 16:16.29 | Chocky | someone must have done a chat client for PDAs, etc. |
| 16:16.45 | Fossi | irsii ;) |
| 16:16.47 | Chocky | Hobart: xnest on your desktop :o |
| 16:16.47 | Hobart | (to run desktop UI apps that haven't had a mobile UI done yet) |
| 16:16.56 | Chocky | beats fossi |
| 16:17.02 | sirkha | hi, i need some help flashing a new kernel, so that i can get the GPS software fix (that lets the sd card clk not always be on) when i do a dfu-util -l, i don't see a bunch of different alts, just one that says "USB Device Firmware Upgrade" |
| 16:17.32 | Hobart | Chocky -> yeah - but with a fast drag-around / zoom UI for use on the freerunner |
| 16:18.10 | Hobart | is there an accelerated 3D X driver for the freerunner's chip ? |
| 16:18.14 | mjr | wonders if the glamo can do a virtual desktop directly... |
| 16:18.16 | Chocky | not yet |
| 16:18.39 | Chocky | still need all the 2D acceleration |
| 16:18.51 | sirkha | anybody seen this problem? |
| 16:19.08 | Chocky | sirkha: it's not obvious what your problem is. |
| 16:19.10 | mjr | Hobart, if there will be such a thing, it'll be pretty limited too. And it's probably up to third-party reverse engineers to do it if there's to be one. |
| 16:19.16 | Chocky | what are "different alts"? |
| 16:19.23 | Hobart | have the chip manufacturers been hostile to x devs? hm. :( |
| 16:19.32 | Chocky | kernel flashing is well documented on the wiki |
| 16:19.42 | Hobart | I'd chip in $40-50 towards having tungsten graphics or whoever do one, it's probably pretty pricey overall though. :| |
| 16:19.47 | Chocky | Hobart: like most, not hostile, but apathetic |
| 16:19.56 | Chocky | talk to raster, etc. about current status. |
| 16:19.57 | sirkha | i can't see the "kernel" partition |
| 16:20.11 | Chocky | sirka: how do you expect to "see" it? |
| 16:20.21 | sirkha | dfu-util -l |
| 16:20.26 | Chocky | sik: please follow the wiki instructions, and explain _exactly_ how you get stuck. |
| 16:20.39 | Chocky | don't tell us what you expect to see, tell us what you _do_ see. |
| 16:20.44 | sirkha | ok |
| 16:20.59 | sirkha | so, i boot into nor |
| 16:21.03 | mjr | Hobart, pretty much the glamo docs are behind nda and the manufacturer isn't very forthcoming even with ndas for non-openmoko employees |
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| 16:21.12 | TAsn | Fossi, have you tried pidgin on the moko? |
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| 16:23.05 | sirkha | set usb console to usb it goes black says push aux to return to boot menu, i don't push anything, and it goes back into the boot menu itself. I plug it in, and tried the ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-om-gta02-latist.bin |
| 16:24.49 | sirkha | the first time i tried that, it says, "cannot find partition kernel" or something like that, and then i lost bluetooth, and since i only have a bluetooth keyboard and mouse on my linux box, i had to reboot (or i suppose i could have plugged in a regular keyboard and mouse, but i didn't) |
| 16:25.17 | sirkha | so, i decided i'd learn a little bit, and looked at the options for dfu-util |
| 16:25.24 | sirkha | it has a device parameter, and a list parameter |
| 16:25.47 | sirkha | i looked at list, saw that my msi bluetooth chip also has a dfu firmware upgrade capability |
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| 16:25.53 | sirkha | i decided to specify my device |
| 16:26.04 | Chocky | well, you didn't type _exactly_ that, since it'd be "latest", not "latist" |
| 16:26.30 | sirkha | i am going from memory, not copying and pasting, atm |
| 16:26.58 | Chocky | please don't |
| 16:27.08 | Chocky | it's imperitive you give the exact commands and error.s |
| 16:27.11 | Chocky | errors. |
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| 16:27.28 | Chocky | otherwise everyone is guessing. |
| 16:28.23 | sirkha | ok, one way or another, i can't use that command anymore, cause i have another usb device on the bus. |
| 16:29.06 | sirkha | and acording to the wiki, ./dfu-util -l should give me a bunch of partitions |
| 16:29.09 | sirkha | and it doesnt |
| 16:29.43 | Chocky | ah yes, "doesn't work" |
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| 16:29.54 | Chocky | where's Dave when I need him. |
| 16:30.03 | sirkha | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#--list |
| 16:30.15 | sirkha | doesn't print out anything like that at all |
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| 16:31.23 | sirkha | dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. |
| 16:31.23 | sirkha | This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY |
| 16:31.23 | sirkha | Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=9, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" |
| 16:31.23 | sirkha | Found Runtime: [0x0db0:0x6970] devnum=2, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" |
| 16:31.34 | sirkha | is what i end up with |
| 16:31.55 | sirkha | devnum=9 corrisponds to my openmoko, devnum=2 is my msi bluetooth chip |
| 16:32.03 | Chocky | tires of the spam. |
| 16:32.16 | richiefrich | use a pastebin |
| 16:32.19 | richiefrich | ppplease |
| 16:32.56 | richiefrich | waits and paces for the OpenMoKo to arrive |
| 16:34.02 | sirkha | i would have, if it was more than four lines, and if there was more trafic in the channel |
| 16:34.21 | Chocky | it is more than 4 lines. it's been about 50 so far. |
| 16:34.41 | richiefrich | i was 8 lines |
| 16:34.59 | richiefrich | can you count? |
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| 16:35.11 | sirkha | yes, as a matter of fact |
| 16:35.16 | sirkha | it was 5 lines |
| 16:35.21 | richiefrich | no it wasnt |
| 16:35.29 | Chocky | and more crap now, from you arguing how many lines it was. |
| 16:35.31 | Chocky | ignores |
| 16:35.39 | sirkha | yes, it was but that has absolutely nothing to do with the issue |
| 16:35.44 | Chocky | oh, shut up please |
| 16:35.50 | richiefrich | lol |
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| 16:36.19 | wibbit | sirkha: I think it's fare to say, people would rather error messages to be provided in a pastebin, irrespective of how many lines was or was not there. |
| 16:36.22 | sirkha | you know what, i just want to get my gps running, and if you guys have to be *ommitted explitives* about ti, i don't konw why i should even try bothering getting help here |
| 16:36.51 | Chocky | sir; your "error reports" are full of assumptions and things you think are wrong. It's real hard to help someone who does that. |
| 16:37.01 | Chocky | or who doesn't want to follow the rules. |
| 16:37.07 | sirkha | then tell me what assumptions are wrong |
| 16:37.08 | Chocky | but you know best. |
| 16:37.35 | sirkha | i try to follow the directions, it doesn't work, i played around a little |
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| 16:37.48 | sirkha | now i am asking, what is supposed to happen and the most you can do is complain that i talk to much |
| 16:37.51 | Chocky | At this point, I can't be arsed. you're obviously argumentative. I have better things to do. perhaps someone else has mre patience. |
| 16:38.06 | Chocky | yes, you talk _too_ much. |
| 16:38.07 | sirkha | perhaps |
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| 16:39.59 | richiefrich | i guess my point was if you lay it all out in a pastebin and give the url , and say , this is what i did here is what i get and thats not whart the wiki says i should get, what could be wrong? but i just saw spam in the channl |
| 16:41.14 | Fossi | TAsn: yes |
| 16:41.28 | TAsn | cool :))) |
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| 16:57.06 | TAsn | today is the 25th of july, if openmoko don't want me to drain their bandwith with all the "refresh page" i do, they should start selling it asap~! :) |
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| 17:00.49 | richiefrich | ? |
| 17:00.52 | richiefrich | oh |
| 17:01.15 | richiefrich | TAsn: i ordered one |
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| 17:04.51 | TAsn | richiefrich, how and when? |
| 17:05.08 | richiefrich | from their site lastnight |
| 17:05.13 | TAsn | 850? |
| 17:05.18 | richiefrich | err 2 nights ago |
| 17:05.22 | TAsn | 850? |
| 17:05.25 | richiefrich | yeah |
| 17:05.36 | richiefrich | doesnt matter that does 1900 too |
| 17:05.40 | TAsn | there were 850's in the last couple of days |
| 17:05.47 | TAsn | i wanna buy a 900 |
| 17:05.52 | richiefrich | why |
| 17:05.55 | TAsn | want eu support in the countryside |
| 17:06.00 | TAsn | gtg eat, cya :) |
| 17:06.01 | richiefrich | do you use 900? |
| 17:06.04 | TAsn | yeah. |
| 17:06.07 | richiefrich | ahh |
| 17:06.09 | TAsn | :) |
| 17:06.10 | TAsn | cya. |
| 17:06.11 | richiefrich | i use 1900 |
| 17:06.14 | richiefrich | cya |
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| 17:20.51 | cebbert | can I use the SIM from a new iPhone in the Freerunner? |
| 17:21.26 | Chocky | good question. perhaps. |
| 17:21.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb8ac3d795c52 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: up efl date to get ecore build fixes. |
| 17:21.50 | linuxxee | wheres thaat sim list anyways |
| 17:23.51 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r30f8bc79702a 10/packages/efl1/ecore_cvs.bb: and actually use right option. |
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| 17:38.35 | Fossi | somehow my router sometimes does weird things |
| 17:38.42 | Fossi | maybe it's time to flash it again |
| 17:39.00 | Fossi | it's not giving me a lease, it's dropping my ping packets |
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| 17:57.39 | joejarvis | Fossi: are you connected via wireless? |
| 18:00.51 | ZimCS | I saw the website said a new shipment of the freerunner is coming in today. Does anyone know if it did? |
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| 18:03.58 | cebbert | seems at least some of the new iPhones come with a 71234O rev 4022 card that will work with Freerunner (I just checked mine) |
| 18:04.02 | Zorkman | anybody an idea how i download maps for diversity? |
| 18:04.03 | ajbrun | ZimCS |
| 18:04.07 | ajbrun | which continent? |
| 18:04.22 | ajbrun | i know there's one coming into the UK on the 29th |
| 18:04.29 | ajbrun | and they're being shipped out of china now |
| 18:04.31 | richiefrich | cebbert: no |
| 18:04.37 | ajbrun | so i would guess others will be similar |
| 18:04.46 | richiefrich | cebbert: the sim in an iphone is just to regiser it |
| 18:04.53 | richiefrich | cebbert: it doesnt hold numbers |
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| 18:06.19 | richiefrich | and why would you want too. makes no sence to me |
| 18:06.54 | cebbert | richiefrich: so I can hack on the Freerunner |
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| 18:07.20 | richiefrich | so you have a iphone and a freerunner? |
| 18:07.34 | cebbert | I may soon :) |
| 18:07.37 | richiefrich | heh |
| 18:07.42 | Fossi | joejarvis: i wish i was |
| 18:07.42 | richiefrich | iphones are crap |
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| 18:08.42 | Fossi | "Disconnect Reason is 5" - yes i love you too |
| 18:08.51 | Chocky | iphone is like Fedora. Looks sexy and easy on the outside, but ends up costing you money/effort. |
| 18:09.01 | Zorkman | anyknow knows how to get exposure running? i searched the wiki, mailinglists and google to no avail |
| 18:09.15 | Chocky | dammit, is it Friday yet? |
| 18:09.19 | ajbrun | what is exposure? |
| 18:09.28 | Chocky | qtopia comedy |
| 18:09.34 | ajbrun | i've heard about it in the community list, but haven't found what it is yet |
| 18:09.50 | Zorkman | a program in the ASU, supposed to let you power up and down gsm, gps, wifi never been able to run it |
| 18:10.00 | ajbrun | ah |
| 18:10.07 | Zorkman | (yeah i know, the asu, but i want to try everything) |
| 18:11.05 | ajbrun | Wow...found this little gem (see below) in a different thread about the |
| 18:11.06 | ajbrun | > ASU keyboard. Once I switched to the new opkg feeds, exposure works |
| 18:11.06 | ajbrun | > just fine. |
| 18:11.13 | ajbrun | from one of the posts |
| 18:11.22 | Chocky | ajbrun: URL of this post? |
| 18:11.29 | ajbrun | community list |
| 18:11.29 | Zorkman | indeed, i also switched to the new opkg feeds |
| 18:11.34 | ajbrun | not sure how to reference it |
| 18:11.34 | Zorkman | but exposure still doesn't work |
| 18:11.40 | ajbrun | 24/07/2008 19:00 |
| 18:11.42 | Chocky | on the archives. |
| 18:11.44 | Chocky | will find it |
| 18:11.45 | ajbrun | Re: What is Exposure? |
| 18:11.46 | ajbrun | ah |
| 18:11.52 | ajbrun | i forgot |
| 18:11.56 | ajbrun | but that's the title for you |
| 18:12.03 | ajbrun | don't know if it'll help |
| 18:12.13 | Zorkman | hu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:20 PM is the first mail |
| 18:12.20 | Chocky | hm, people have _not_ clue about quoting and email |
| 18:12.24 | Chocky | mailing list = toilet |
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| 18:12.54 | safiiru | Hello. |
| 18:13.18 | |Marco| | safiiru: hey |
| 18:13.37 | Zorkman | Chocky: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/023521.html |
| 18:13.39 | Chocky | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/023535.html |
| 18:13.42 | richiefrich | Chocky: Chocky> dammit, is it Friday yet? it has been friday |
| 18:13.49 | Chocky | richiefrich: fnar. |
| 18:13.53 | richiefrich | ? |
| 18:13.56 | Chocky | ;-) |
| 18:13.58 | richiefrich | fnar? |
| 18:14.07 | Chocky | just a nothing comment. |
| 18:14.12 | Chocky | like "moo" or "wibble" |
| 18:14.22 | richiefrich | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FNAR |
| 18:14.24 | richiefrich | o0 |
| 18:14.31 | richiefrich | :P |
| 18:14.55 | ZimCS | North America |
| 18:15.10 | Chocky | random comment |
| 18:15.17 | ZimCS | haha sorry i was answering from before |
| 18:15.28 | ZimCS | got caught up configuring something |
| 18:15.39 | richiefrich | I want UPS to come today! |
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| 18:16.04 | Zorkman | how much did you pay for shipping richiefrich? |
| 18:16.13 | richiefrich | 2nd day air |
| 18:16.15 | safiiru | UPS made me pay an extra $50 extortion fee when my neo came :) |
| 18:16.20 | richiefrich | so i should get it today |
| 18:16.34 | Chocky | safiiru: Canadian! |
| 18:16.35 | Zorkman | on the mailinglists i heard someone had to pay + dollar if i remember correctly |
| 18:16.37 | safiiru | Yah! |
| 18:16.43 | richiefrich | they didnt send me a tracking number! |
| 18:16.46 | richiefrich | i am sad |
| 18:17.00 | Chocky | ok |
| 18:17.05 | Chocky | tries updated ASU feeds |
| 18:17.33 | Zorkman | choky, please tell me if exposure works after the update |
| 18:17.42 | Chocky | lotsastuff. this better be good, cos ASU from default feeds is grim. |
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| 18:17.47 | Chocky | yessir. |
| 18:17.48 | Zorkman | (there is btw also a edj file to get the "querty" button back) |
| 18:17.51 | trix | richiefrich that probably means it hasn't shipped yet |
| 18:17.59 | Chocky | ah yes, I see in that post. |
| 18:18.00 | dino- | Guys, I'm having a lot of trouble getting my USB connected FR to be able itself to reach the internet (through my desktop system). |
| 18:18.03 | edistar | Zorkman: cool |
| 18:18.07 | richiefrich | trix: oh they send tracking numbers? |
| 18:18.14 | dino- | This would be probably because I don't know what the iptables etc means. |
| 18:18.22 | Zorkman | dino: did you follow the wiki? |
| 18:18.23 | trix | as soon as it ships, yeah, it's a bit automatic |
| 18:18.27 | dino- | Zorkman: I did, twice |
| 18:18.31 | richiefrich | trix: oh |
| 18:18.31 | dino- | With reboots and yada |
| 18:18.38 | Chocky | dino-: and what _exactly_ went wrong with the wiki instructions? |
| 18:18.46 | Chocky | don't reboot. |
| 18:18.49 | Chocky | it won't help anything |
| 18:18.50 | trix | richiefrich, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Where_is_my_Freerunner%3F |
| 18:19.06 | richiefrich | trix: ty |
| 18:19.07 | Zorkman | i have a command that i use for my iptables, but i think that is the most insecure way to use it, and chocky will most probably choke if he sees it :) |
| 18:19.08 | dino- | Chocky: I'm not sure what went wrong. My Debian box took the iptables commands seemingly ok |
| 18:19.23 | Chocky | well, what "doesn't work"? |
| 18:19.27 | trix | looks like people stopped adding to that list but you can get an idea of the processing speed |
| 18:19.28 | Chocky | Zork ;-) |
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| 18:19.34 | dino- | No internet connectivity on the FR. |
| 18:19.36 | dino- | Can't ping anything. |
| 18:19.43 | Chocky | can you ping your desktop? |
| 18:19.44 | safiiru | Does usb0 have an ip? |
| 18:19.56 | dino- | yes |
| 18:20.05 | dino- | Yes, can ping desktop that's connected to it. |
| 18:20.06 | Chocky | well then, that is not "can't ping anything" |
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| 18:20.15 | Chocky | now you understand the importance of exactness :o |
| 18:20.19 | Chocky | can you resolve anything? |
| 18:20.27 | Chocky | host www.google.com |
| 18:20.28 | Zorkman | (he can probably also ping 127.0.0.1 :)) |
| 18:20.33 | dino- | Yes, usb0 on FR has an IP (192.168.0.202) |
| 18:20.51 | dino- | No, can't resolve anything. |
| 18:21.04 | Chocky | you need to update /etc/resolv.conf to point to a DNS server |
| 18:21.11 | Chocky | which you desktop probably isn't running |
| 18:21.34 | safiiru | dino- Set resolv.conf nameserver to the same as your desktop machine. |
| 18:21.35 | dino- | Is that 4.2.2.2 real? |
| 18:21.43 | Chocky | yes, but don't use it. |
| 18:21.47 | kd8ikt | yeh it helps if you have a resolv.conf |
| 18:21.49 | dino- | I tried that and also my router at home, the gateway that the other systems use. |
| 18:21.50 | Chocky | use whatever your desktop's /etc/resolv.conf is |
| 18:22.07 | dino- | Yes, that does not work either. |
| 18:22.18 | Chocky | please don't use the phrase "does not work" |
| 18:22.19 | dino- | The same thing that's in the desktop system's /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:22.19 | Zorkman | did they delete that on the wiki? when i first set it up, there was an instruction on the wiki to do that |
| 18:22.22 | roosmaa | Hia! Quick question: does anyone know if future versions of Neo will have HSDPA? (if so, how future version?) At the moment it seems that 3G is totally ignored, not even planned to happen. |
| 18:22.25 | Chocky | can you _ping_ the DNS server? |
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| 18:22.38 | Chocky | roosmaa: maybe. |
| 18:22.54 | Zorkman | roosmaa: GTA03 will not be 3g, GTA04 *maybe* ASAIK |
| 18:22.57 | dino- | Cannot ping that IP, no. |
| 18:22.59 | dino- | from the FR |
| 18:23.03 | Chocky | then DNS won't work :o |
| 18:23.15 | safiiru | What do you get if you type route |
| 18:23.15 | Chocky | what is your eth0 (or whatever it is) subnet? |
| 18:23.24 | Chocky | and IPs |
| 18:23.36 | dino- | On the FR? |
| 18:23.40 | Chocky | on your desktop |
| 18:23.48 | roosmaa | Zorkman, cheers.. is there any drafts or brainstorming ideas regarding GTA04 online somewhere, or is it strictly openmoko internal at the moment? |
| 18:24.09 | dino- | 192.168.0.57 255.255.255.0 |
| 18:24.21 | Chocky | right, your subnets overlap |
| 18:24.25 | Zorkman | roosmaa: there was some talk about in on the community lists, and also on the hardware and devel lists i think a while ago |
| 18:24.30 | mjr | roosmaa, I think it's pretty vague internally too... |
| 18:24.30 | Chocky | you'll need to change one of them. |
| 18:24.53 | Zorkman | roosmaa: also about finding an alternative for the glamo and about screen resolutions vga/qvga |
| 18:24.55 | Chocky | it can be made to work with the same subnets, but you need funky routing |
| 18:25.01 | dino- | Ok, this sounds like user doesn't understand networking. I should learn more about this. |
| 18:25.18 | Chocky | easy fix is to change FR/usb0 to be 192.168.1.x |
| 18:25.27 | mjr | roosmaa, suitable umts chipsets are also hard to find, hope one'll present itself by the gta04 timeframe... |
| 18:25.28 | Chocky | and update the iptables rule accordingly |
| 18:25.45 | dino- | Chocky: Change both the .202 and .200 to that subnet? |
| 18:25.46 | roosmaa | Zorkman, nabble search didn't return much ... About glamo I read, pretty bad situation ( I didn't know before that the chips used are actually that old! :/ ) |
| 18:25.50 | Chocky | dino-: it's kind of subtle. I _specialize_ in this, and it gets tricky |
| 18:25.54 | Chocky | yessir |
| 18:26.09 | dino- | Chocky: Ok. Thank you. And apologies for the network-idiot stuff. |
| 18:26.15 | roosmaa | mjr, ok, I'll take that into account.. hopefully by GTA04 the software will be stable :) |
| 18:26.26 | Chocky | dino-: the wiki is hopelessly confused ;-) |
| 18:26.30 | Zorkman | dino-: don't worry, he's used to reading my questions :) |
| 18:26.45 | dino- | I know it'll clear up quickly, the wiki. Needs people interested, which seems to be happening. |
| 18:26.46 | Chocky | just doesn't answer them :o |
| 18:27.26 | Chocky | minor conflicts during ASU upgrade. had to remove efreet |
| 18:28.30 | Zorkman | (the new opkg feeds have given me a diversity-nav and a splinter, its both the same :)) |
| 18:28.44 | Chocky | och. |
| 18:28.59 | Zorkman | i'm still trying to get tango-gps to work with the asu |
| 18:29.25 | Zorkman | i've contributed my first streets to OSM today but tango gps only works with 2007.2 (well, at least i couldn't get it to work :)) |
| 18:30.42 | Chocky | upgrade complete. exposure still seems to do nothing |
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| 18:32.01 | Chocky | firefox and minino. excessive :o |
| 18:32.04 | Chocky | minimo |
| 18:32.32 | Zorkman | i like minimo, it looks promissing (only recently installed) |
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| 18:32.55 | Zorkman | agpsui doesn't seem to work anymore with latest ASU update |
| 18:34.09 | Zorkman | although with the qtopia keyboard i can't see the url i'm typing :) |
| 18:34.45 | Chocky | waits for ages for opkg |
| 18:34.54 | trix | sounds like asu still has a ways to go |
| 18:35.01 | Chocky | no secret there |
| 18:35.07 | araujo | wonders if there already are NF in stock |
| 18:35.14 | Fossi | better than 2077.2 |
| 18:35.21 | Fossi | that'll never go anyway |
| 18:35.26 | Fossi | 2007.2 |
| 18:35.31 | trix | you think so? i like 2007.2 |
| 18:35.38 | SpeedEvil | likes it too. |
| 18:35.39 | Fossi | i liked it |
| 18:35.43 | Chocky | Fossi: not IMO ;-) |
| 18:35.46 | Fossi | until it broke on me ;D |
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| 18:36.06 | Chocky | reboot, reinstall. it's the Windows way |
| 18:36.10 | Fossi | and now the stupid wlan won't work anymore and all is crap |
| 18:36.16 | Chocky | aw |
| 18:36.27 | Fossi | and now i go do something else ;) |
| 18:36.49 | edistar | Chocky: how is ASU updated? |
| 18:36.59 | Chocky | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/023535.html |
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| 18:37.47 | edistar | Chocky: which ASU feeds? |
| 18:38.11 | dougt | Zorkman: you wanna check out fennec. |
| 18:38.13 | Chocky | just like it says |
| 18:38.31 | edistar | Chocky: ok, super |
| 18:39.06 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.10 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.17 | Chocky | "a lot", thanks |
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| 18:39.27 | Zorkman | dougt: i will check it out now, I have absolutey no idea what it is :) |
| 18:39.40 | Zorkman | heard the name once though i think |
| 18:39.57 | Zorkman | aha, browser :) |
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| 18:40.36 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.59 | Zorkman | Pyrasi: i've never even seen it working :) |
| 18:41.07 | joejarvis | anyone know what these sdio/ar6k error messages mean in my log when booting? http://pastebin.com/m35fda0a0 |
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| 18:42.07 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.17 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.23 | awesomo4k | has anyone built fso recently |
| 18:42.25 | Chocky | no, instant messenger doesn't help ;-) |
| 18:42.29 | Zorkman | awesomo4k: not me |
| 18:42.38 | awesomo4k | just wondering how long it takes |
| 18:42.44 | Zorkman | takes? |
| 18:42.52 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.11 | awesomo4k | is stable hybrid going well ? |
| 18:43.49 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.49 | Zorkman | awesomo4k: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/milestone/SHR |
| 18:44.03 | Zorkman | it's been a while since i've heard something about it... |
| 18:44.05 | awesomo4k | hrm. guess not. |
| 18:44.06 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:44.28 | trix | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 18:45.41 | Zorkman | Choky: can you do an opkg info kernel? |
| 18:45.51 | Chocky | right now, no. |
| 18:46.01 | Zorkman | i've read a mail on the mailinglist that due to the opkg update someone got a 1973 kernel |
| 18:46.04 | Zorkman | i've got one :) |
| 18:46.14 | Chocky | nice |
| 18:46.33 | Zorkman | maybe that can cause exposure reluctancy to launch |
| 18:46.42 | Chocky | and GPS to break |
| 18:47.00 | Zorkman | i'll reflash and check it out |
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| 18:48.52 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.09 | Chocky | I have a distinct feeling that USB is bust on my desktop in 2.6.26 |
| 18:49.19 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.23 | Chocky | actually, not using that. never mind :p |
| 18:49.45 | Zorkman | Pyrasi: by installing the full querty keyboard i think |
| 18:50.05 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.13 | awesomo4k | is it feasible to write gui apps in python on openmoko... |
| 18:50.18 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.21 | mjr | awesomo4k, yes |
| 18:50.36 | kelvie_work | pyqt or pygtk :p |
| 18:50.40 | awesomo4k | mjr .. they run and respond fast enough to be useful ? |
| 18:50.41 | Zorkman | no, it's what the name says: a full querty keyboard |
| 18:50.47 | Chocky | hm |
| 18:50.48 | Zorkman | i'll look up a link |
| 18:50.52 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.03 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.03 | mjr | kelvie_work, sure |
| 18:51.19 | mjr | awesomo4k, rather |
| 18:51.21 | Zorkman | Pyrasi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards#Matchbox_keyboard |
| 18:51.34 | Zorkman | Pyrasi: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021296.html |
| 18:51.35 | kelvie_work | I've gotten PyQt to build with bitbake -- have yet to test it though as I don't have a FR yet :P |
| 18:51.50 | kelvie_work | but it requires Qt/X11 |
| 18:51.53 | mjr | responsiveness depends more on what other stuff than the gui you're doing |
| 18:52.18 | awesomo4k | be careful with that new keyboard install.. it didn't work for me out of the box... complained about freetype library |
| 18:52.23 | mjr | I did try out a quick and dirty pygtk remote control app earlier on the gta01 |
| 18:53.15 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:58.16 | awesomo4k | is there a touchscreen driver that doesn't require X11 ? |
| 18:58.58 | balrog-kun | input drivers don't require X11 |
| 18:58.58 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.13 | dino- | When I try to do the sequence of commands again starting with ifconfig usb0 ... with the .1. subnet, and then do the ping -I usb0, I'm getting Destination Host Unreachable. |
| 18:59.19 | balrog-kun | you can read directly from /dev/input/* and you get the data in a pretty usable format |
| 18:59.26 | balrog-kun | or you can link against tslib like X11 does |
| 18:59.26 | dino- | Have I done something that needs to be undone on my desktop from earlier? |
| 18:59.47 | Chocky | if the -I is required, then something is wrong. it's best that you don't use it |
| 18:59.56 | awesomo4k | whats tslib |
| 19:00.04 | dino- | hm, just following the wiki with the -I |
| 19:00.17 | balrog-kun | awesomo4k: google it |
| 19:00.19 | Chocky | casts doubt on the wiki |
| 19:00.20 | methril|laptop | hi |
| 19:00.24 | Chocky | what did you change your FR IP to? |
| 19:00.24 | dino- | Ah, that works |
| 19:00.28 | awesomo4k | googles tslib |
| 19:00.41 | dino- | Chocky: 192.168.1.200 and .202 |
| 19:00.47 | Chocky | and does it work now? |
| 19:00.48 | awesomo4k | perfect. |
| 19:00.51 | awesomo4k | tanks. |
| 19:00.55 | dino- | It does without the -I usb0 |
| 19:00.58 | dino- | the ping |
| 19:01.07 | awesomo4k | envisions a non-x11 ncurses-based phone. |
| 19:01.10 | Chocky | forget -I/ping. does the networking work |
| 19:01.20 | dino- | So then also the /sbin/route add -host .. not needed? |
| 19:01.23 | dino- | Chocky: yes |
| 19:01.25 | Chocky | no, that's BS too. |
| 19:01.32 | balrog-kun | yay |
| 19:01.47 | dino- | this would be part of the aforementioned 'funky routing' |
| 19:01.56 | Chocky | no, just someone who is confused. |
| 19:01.59 | dino- | ok |
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| 19:02.48 | Chocky | hm, I think my ASU setup might be hosed. possibly due to that kernel |
| 19:04.08 | Zorkman | choky: i flashed the right kernel and it still wont start |
| 19:04.19 | Chocky | "wont (sic) start?" |
| 19:04.26 | Chocky | sighs at grammar here :-( |
| 19:06.36 | Zorkman | pays not enough attention to his grammar when typing on the internet, he will try to be a good boy from now on :) |
| 19:06.51 | Zorkman | (but will fale ^^) |
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| 19:06.55 | Zorkman | *fail :) lol |
| 19:07.00 | dino- | mm, I was confused I think. I was pinging 192.168.1.200, not the 192.168.1.202 that I then need to ssh to. |
| 19:07.09 | dino- | That ..202 is not reachable |
| 19:07.12 | Chocky | dino-: good lad, I've done that too. |
| 19:07.29 | Chocky | how did you change the IP on your FR? |
| 19:08.00 | dino- | Chocky: The only thing I did on there was (when it was on the .0. subnet) echo something to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:08.03 | dino- | I believe |
| 19:08.16 | Chocky | yes, but that doesn't change the FR IP |
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| 19:08.24 | Chocky | you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:08.46 | Chocky | you said you did that :p |
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| 19:09.31 | dino- | I was in there but also doing the echo ... resolv.conf for usb0 |
| 19:09.39 | Zorkman | does anybody know a gps tracking program that works on the ASU for OSM? |
| 19:09.47 | Chocky | please, let's answer my actual questions. |
| 19:09.48 | dino- | I don't think I set a static IP there myself, but I can try to peek at it on the device's shell. |
| 19:09.53 | Chocky | otherwse we're in circles |
| 19:10.52 | Chocky | if you haven't change the FR's IP, then this is contrary to your earlier claim that you change the subnets. |
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| 19:10.59 | Chocky | you see how much extra effort you make :-( |
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| 19:11.26 | dino- | Chocky: I guess I don't understand what you're asking then. I've only changed things on the desktop system with the exception of /etc/resolv.conf on the FR. |
| 19:11.31 | Chocky | I Know@ |
| 19:11.39 | Chocky | *facepalm* |
| 19:11.49 | Chocky | please don't repeat what you did over and ove.r |
| 19:11.55 | Chocky | we can't get anywhere unless you follow my instructions. |
| 19:12.13 | dino- | How would one change the IP on the FR? |
| 19:12.18 | Chocky | I already told you twice. |
| 19:12.32 | Chocky | abandons you to the hounds of hell, and goes back to work :-( |
| 19:12.32 | dino- | And I don't understand what you're saying. |
| 19:12.32 | Zorkman | edit /etc/network/interfaces (i think) |
| 19:12.38 | dino- | On the FR? |
| 19:13.06 | Zorkman | if you want to change the ip of the freerunner: yeah |
| 19:13.23 | pjz | dino-: yes, on the FR |
| 19:13.32 | dino- | No need to be rude with people who don't understand something that's being said. |
| 19:13.43 | Zorkman | kist like you did something like ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 on the host |
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| 19:13.58 | Chocky | dino-: you miss the point. you keep ignoring what I said. |
| 19:14.01 | dino- | Ok, I did not change any static IP in the FR's /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 19:14.13 | pjz | dino-: well, that's wher eyou cahnge the FR's IP |
| 19:14.13 | Chocky | and keep telling me things I know. |
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| 19:14.23 | pjz | dino-: so change that and you can change the FR's IP |
| 19:14.25 | Chocky | it's simply not worth my effort. |
| 19:14.31 | Zorkman | that makes that the freerunner "sees" your host as 192.168.0.200, instead you now need to edit the way your host sees your freerunner |
| 19:15.02 | dino- | Ok, so there is a number in there when it's stock? Is that the .0.200 ? |
| 19:15.24 | Zorkman | the freerunner is standard 192.168.0.202 |
| 19:15.42 | Chocky | challenges someone to say something original |
| 19:15.45 | dino- | Chocky: I did not mean to ignore you, I don't think I understand some of what you were saying. |
| 19:15.53 | Chocky | ask, don't assume. |
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| 19:16.32 | Chocky | D! |
| 19:16.33 | DaveLab | Hail! |
| 19:16.40 | DaveLab | :) |
| 19:16.41 | Zorkman | llo Davelab |
| 19:16.42 | Chocky | bows to allmighty. |
| 19:16.46 | DaveLab | :D |
| 19:16.47 | Chocky | er, almighty. |
| 19:16.58 | awesomo4k | builds fso |
| 19:17.13 | DaveLab | So where can I fetch the appropriate kernel-headers for the phone? kernel.org or something? |
| 19:17.17 | Zorkman | dino: i thought that choky said that this gets you in trouble because they are on the same subnet, but really i'm more noob then you |
| 19:17.28 | dino- | Since I'm trying to change the subnet of the device on my desktop, does that mean the /etc/network/interfces on the FR needs to be changed to match? |
| 19:17.32 | Zorkman | i will only get you more confused :) |
| 19:17.36 | Chocky | Dave: news. wiki is full of confusing information. |
| 19:17.45 | DaveLab | That's not NEW news :p |
| 19:18.26 | trix | changing the subnet doesn't really make it any easier to network imo |
| 19:18.38 | Chocky | trix: and pray tell, why? |
| 19:18.52 | trix | dino, check the wiki and mailing list there is already a ton of information on how to get usb networking going |
| 19:19.02 | Chocky | much of it contradictory and confusing. |
| 19:19.05 | Chocky | some of it wrong. |
| 19:19.09 | DaveLab | subnet subnet subnet |
| 19:19.24 | Wonka | hits dino- with http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 19:19.25 | trix | that may be true but there is still valuable information there |
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| 19:19.38 | Chocky | having different subnets is at least, in priciple, idiot/noob proof. |
| 19:19.38 | trix | and it is how i was able to get usb networking going |
| 19:19.42 | McKael | Hello, I'm trying to find out where I can download a recent OM2007.2 image for the FR (kernel+rootfs). |
| 19:20.01 | DaveLab | buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 19:20.02 | Zorkman | trix: me too, but had problems with iptables, someone on irc here also couldn't figure it out |
| 19:20.29 | awesomo4k | yeah the ubuntu instructions for auto config messed up my regular internet connection for some reason |
| 19:20.38 | dino- | Wonka: Thanks. I've been reading that. But I can't get internet connectivity from the FR because it's on the same subnet at the rest of my lan |
| 19:20.39 | DaveLab | McKael: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080725/?C=M;O=D |
| 19:20.44 | trix | zorkman, i had to do a lot of finnagling with iptables myself |
| 19:20.48 | *** topic/#openmoko by ljp -> Qtopia chit chat about this and that | http://qtopia.net | Unofficial git - see http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Qtopia | neo feed at http://qtopia.net/packages/feed/4.3.2/neo |
| 19:20.56 | Chocky | dino-: and you've been told about 3 times how to fix it already. |
| 19:21.03 | Wonka | dino-: then edit /etc/network/interfaces and change the .0. to .1. ? |
| 19:21.04 | ernst | warum hat der media player2 keine play icons ? |
| 19:21.06 | DaveLab | huzzah! |
| 19:21.18 | DaveLab | So we finally have a qtopia package feed now? :p |
| 19:21.31 | Chocky | Dave: yes, but of dubious quality. hrmph. |
| 19:21.36 | ernst | ups |
| 19:21.37 | DaveLab | I like how openmoko isn't in the topic at all now. |
| 19:21.45 | McKael | DaveLab: thanks. No rootfs though, do I have to check the previous days? |
| 19:22.05 | Wonka | I'd like to have socat or at least netcat packages... |
| 19:22.07 | DaveLab | McKael: if you just opkg update || opkg upgrade, it should update your kernel and everything else. |
| 19:22.08 | Chocky | Dave: allegedly, it might install a neo1973 kernel |
| 19:22.14 | DaveLab | Chocky, hot. |
| 19:22.19 | DaveLab | or perhaps old and crusty :D |
| 19:22.24 | DaveLab | we'll see >:) |
| 19:22.29 | McKael | DaveLab: no, I'm looking for a rootfs |
| 19:22.29 | Zorkman | McKael: only u-boot doesn't get updated with opkg |
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| 19:22.42 | DaveLab | McKael: a new rootfs image, for the gtk image? |
| 19:22.51 | McKael | DaveLab: yes |
| 19:22.55 | Zorkman | DaveLab: it did on my freerunner (when using the right asu feeds) |
| 19:23.05 | McKael | DaveLab: I'm running Qtopia currently |
| 19:23.10 | DaveLab | McKael: OH |
| 19:23.19 | DaveLab | so you're flashing OUT of qtopia then? |
| 19:23.24 | DaveLab | or you want to update qtopia"? |
| 19:23.26 | McKael | DaveLab: yep |
| 19:23.30 | McKael | out |
| 19:23.31 | DaveLab | you want out |
| 19:23.32 | DaveLab | heh |
| 19:23.34 | DaveLab | alright :) |
| 19:23.37 | McKael | ;) |
| 19:24.09 | DaveLab | here then: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 19:24.17 | Zorkman | dos anyone know if one can get tango-gps to run on the asu? (withouth building or programming it yourself:)) if not i can stop waisting my time... |
| 19:24.18 | sirkha | well opkg upgrade give you the daily kernel? |
| 19:24.29 | Zorkman | sirkha: yes |
| 19:24.35 | DaveLab | otherwise pick which one you want from: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/?C=M;O=D |
| 19:24.41 | Zorkman | kernel and rootfs gets updated |
| 19:24.48 | DaveLab | and will someone set me up teh kernel headers already? :p |
| 19:25.03 | McKael | DaveLab: ok thanks |
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| 19:25.43 | Chocky | zig left! |
| 19:25.49 | Chocky | for great justice |
| 19:25.49 | sirkha | do the newest kernels have the patches that make the card reader clock not always turn on, and therefore allow gps to get a fix? |
| 19:25.50 | DaveLab | -_- |
| 19:26.12 | sirkha | (or am i really misunderstanding the wiki on that) |
| 19:26.18 | Zorkman | choky: this might be a stupid remark, but could the faulty kernel update to that of a 1973 be casued by the file "neo1973-feed.conf" that is in the opkg map that was posted in the mail? |
| 19:26.29 | Zorkman | sirkha: yes |
| 19:26.44 | Chocky | suppose |
| 19:26.46 | sirkha | Zorkman: yes i am misunderstanding, or yes it makes gps works? |
| 19:26.56 | Zorkman | yes it makes the gps work, sorry if i was not clear |
| 19:27.04 | sirkha | no problem |
| 19:27.21 | Zorkman | so i guess nobody knows about tango-gps on the asu |
| 19:27.36 | dino- | I put the .0. stuff back long enough to get back to be able to ssh to the device. Now I'm editing /etc/network/interfaces, should I change everything that's .0. to .1. ? |
| 19:27.39 | Chocky | Zorkman: I know you're trying to be helpful, but sometimes it's better to exercise some restraint if you don't have an exact answer, instead of commenting on every question. |
| 19:27.51 | awesomo4k | would it be difficult to get a video out port on the moko |
| 19:28.00 | sirkha | Zorkman: thanks |
| 19:28.10 | DaveLab | Anyone? |
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| 19:28.34 | Zorkman | i understand |
| 19:29.20 | DaveLab | -_- |
| 19:29.30 | DaveLab | pokes Ainulindale |
| 19:30.27 | aggtrfrad | http://youtube.com/watch?v=RRNdXqt7maQ |
| 19:32.18 | Ainulindale | DaveLab: yep ? |
| 19:32.36 | DaveLab | Hi :D |
| 19:32.49 | Ainulindale | What did you want ? |
| 19:32.51 | Wonka | btw, any idea how to get rid of this stupid "boots" splash screen? |
| 19:32.56 | DaveLab | Ainulindale: any chance you know where I could acquire the 2.6.24-arm kernel headers? |
| 19:33.00 | Wonka | i'd rather see stuff scrolling by |
| 19:33.05 | DaveLab | for the phone :p |
| 19:33.16 | Ainulindale | On the repository perhaps ? |
| 19:33.19 | Ainulindale | But that's just a wild guess |
| 19:33.19 | DaveLab | they don't seem to be available anywhere convenient |
| 19:33.22 | Ainulindale | Or sarcasm |
| 19:33.24 | DaveLab | They are not there. |
| 19:33.37 | Ainulindale | Check for the bitbake recipes then |
| 19:33.51 | DaveLab | Where's that at? :P |
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| 19:34.01 | Ainulindale | On the repository |
| 19:34.04 | DaveLab | wiki? |
| 19:34.11 | DaveLab | Oh |
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| 19:34.45 | Ainulindale | I know I have linux-libcd-headers on my packages |
| 19:34.48 | Ainulindale | -d |
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| 19:36.14 | DaveLab | So do I |
| 19:36.23 | DaveLab | but that doesn't seem to be what I need :| |
| 19:36.28 | DaveLab | o.O |
| 19:36.33 | dino- | I'm not sure if I should just change the address field in /etc/network/interfaces or other things. I don't want to get it to some state where I can't ssh back to it. |
| 19:36.43 | Ainulindale | What is that ? |
| 19:36.46 | Ainulindale | erm |
| 19:36.48 | Ainulindale | Why is that ? |
| 19:37.18 | DaveLab | Do I have to link the src tree dir or something like that? :p |
| 19:37.31 | Ainulindale | I don't know. |
| 19:37.32 | Wonka | dino-: just change that one number. |
| 19:37.34 | DaveLab | That would be so typical -__ |
| 19:37.34 | Chocky | dino-: a reflash of the default image would be less time and hassle than all the effort you've made to date. |
| 19:37.37 | DaveLab | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.24/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 19:37.58 | Ainulindale | If you told me what you want to do I could help you |
| 19:38.07 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.09 | DaveLab | Hooray! |
| 19:38.20 | Ainulindale | Just knowing you want the headers doesn't help me very much :-) |
| 19:38.21 | DaveLab | I am trying to compile drivers on the phone |
| 19:38.25 | DaveLab | :p |
| 19:38.28 | Ainulindale | Why on the phone ? |
| 19:38.35 | DaveLab | because I want to use the devices on the phone |
| 19:38.38 | Chocky | DaveLab: you could install a Debian package with the kernel headers. |
| 19:38.41 | DaveLab | and then I don't have to deal with cross-compilation |
| 19:38.42 | Ainulindale | And why don't you cross compile it ? |
| 19:38.47 | dino- | Wonka: Thank you. |
| 19:38.50 | DaveLab | build env doesn't work always |
| 19:38.55 | Chocky | although cross compiling the kernel is actually dead easy |
| 19:38.56 | DaveLab | and I don't care about the time factor |
| 19:39.04 | Ainulindale | DaveLab: Doesn't work "always" ? |
| 19:39.08 | DaveLab | yeah |
| 19:39.13 | Chocky | assuming you have a cross compiler ,which you do. |
| 19:39.17 | Wonka | btw, i am so much happier since i installed matchbox-keyboard... |
| 19:39.18 | DaveLab | I've already tried cc some shit and it broke |
| 19:39.21 | Chocky | wonders why Dave is pursuing this. |
| 19:39.22 | Ainulindale | You mean there's an elf twiddling with the random factor in your cross compilation toolchain ? :-) |
| 19:39.26 | Chocky | Dave: ah, "doesn't work" |
| 19:39.27 | DaveLab | because I'd otherwise have to rewrite their makefile |
| 19:39.35 | Wonka | a keyboard one can actually use |
| 19:39.38 | DaveLab | and I don't want to waste time fiddling and failing |
| 19:39.45 | DaveLab | Fuck you, Chocky ;) |
| 19:39.45 | Ainulindale | DaveLab: It's just a matter of configure and things |
| 19:39.46 | Chocky | you're already doing that. |
| 19:39.50 | Chocky | I love you Dave |
| 19:39.51 | Ainulindale | using bitbake there's a devshell |
| 19:39.55 | DaveLab | Ainulindale: there is no configure :) |
| 19:39.56 | Ainulindale | Which will give you all you need |
| 19:40.08 | Ainulindale | Meaning paths, cc configured as it should, etc |
| 19:40.09 | DaveLab | and don't blame me for that! |
| 19:40.18 | Chocky | Dave: almost all driver module Makefiles can easily use a cross compiler |
| 19:40.21 | Ainulindale | Libraries paths, includes... |
| 19:40.21 | DaveLab | Fine, compile this stuff for me then? :D |
| 19:40.27 | Chocky | if you're talking about something outside the kernel source |
| 19:40.38 | DaveLab | Chocky: yeah |
| 19:40.41 | Ainulindale | DaveLab: Why don't you use a proper toolchain or bitbake ? |
| 19:40.43 | Chocky | if it's part of the kernel source, then it's dead easy |
| 19:40.43 | Ainulindale | It's really quite easy |
| 19:40.47 | Chocky | so what is the problem? :p |
| 19:40.53 | DaveLab | because I"ve had shitty experience with the toolchain |
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| 19:40.57 | DaveLab | or rather spotty luck :) |
| 19:41.04 | Chocky | so tell us what "doesn't work"? :p |
| 19:41.06 | Ainulindale | DaveLab: And I had it work perfectly |
| 19:41.15 | DaveLab | Hooray for you :p |
| 19:41.20 | DaveLab | I'll fiddle with it later then. |
| 19:41.35 | Ainulindale | DaveLab: Seriously, stop being ironic, it doesn't suit the discussion |
| 19:41.41 | DaveLab | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.45 | Ainulindale | I can ensure you the toolchain and/or bitbake works |
| 19:41.54 | Ainulindale | And I can ensure you too that it will be easier |
| 19:41.57 | Ainulindale | AND faster |
| 19:41.57 | DaveLab | Yeah, I know. |
| 19:42.01 | DaveLab | well duh |
| 19:42.02 | DaveLab | :p |
| 19:42.03 | Chocky | suggests the word "assure" instead :o |
| 19:42.06 | DaveLab | right |
| 19:42.08 | Ainulindale | I'm even disposed to help you if necessary |
| 19:42.13 | DaveLab | Chocky, I had to abstain there ;) |
| 19:42.15 | Ainulindale | Chocky: I'm french, so please bear my engrish |
| 19:42.19 | DaveLab | FRENCH! |
| 19:42.22 | DaveLab | :o |
| 19:42.23 | Chocky | I am, I'm just making a suggestion. |
| 19:42.47 | Ainulindale | Chocky: you're bearing my engrish ? Man, me going beat you long time |
| 19:42.57 | Chocky | five dollah? |
| 19:43.00 | DaveLab | ça và? |
| 19:43.01 | Ainulindale | :-) |
| 19:43.07 | Ainulindale | There's no accent. |
| 19:43.11 | Ainulindale | But I'm doing great. |
| 19:43.12 | DaveLab | I MADE ONE |
| 19:43.17 | DaveLab | IT MAKES IT LOOK COOLER! |
| 19:43.19 | Ainulindale | Wooooh. |
| 19:43.22 | DaveLab | :P |
| 19:43.25 | Fossi | hey, so i know i disturb your 'discussion' |
| 19:43.25 | Ainulindale | A cookie for the pretty boy :-) |
| 19:43.30 | DaveLab | heehee |
| 19:43.38 | Fossi | but i'm not happy with the toolchain either |
| 19:43.49 | DaveLab | hides |
| 19:43.52 | Chocky | Fossi: please enlighten |
| 19:44.01 | Ainulindale | DaveLab: do you have a working or non working dev environment set up yet ? |
| 19:44.08 | Fossi | could somebody who is, please point to a manual/howto or something? |
| 19:44.18 | DaveLab | Ainulindale, it's weird, I setup the toolchain on two separate machines |
| 19:44.22 | Chocky | Fossi: heh, good complaint ;-) |
| 19:44.24 | Ainulindale | Fossi: I personnaly use bitbake |
| 19:44.30 | DaveLab | on one it works fine, the other it doesn't work [well] |
| 19:44.34 | Ainulindale | Fossi: And I wrote a page on how to setup bitbake for FSO |
| 19:44.34 | DaveLab | must be a config issue |
| 19:44.42 | DaveLab | I know bitbake works fine |
| 19:44.50 | Fossi | i tried bitbake, but it said it couldn't find autotools.bb |
| 19:44.52 | Ainulindale | DaveLab: What does it do ? |
| 19:44.54 | Chocky | doesn't speak bitmake |
| 19:44.57 | Ainulindale | Complains about CC ? Libs? |
| 19:44.57 | dino- | Do I need to ifdown ifup on the FR? |
| 19:44.57 | Chocky | er, bitbake |
| 19:45.02 | DaveLab | Though I may as well use the toolchain since I spent an inordinate amount of time setting it up, last month. |
| 19:45.02 | Fossi | then i tried what 'toolchain' said in the wiki |
| 19:45.11 | Ainulindale | Fossi: it's a path problem |
| 19:45.14 | DaveLab | Ainulindale, the toolchain? :) |
| 19:45.15 | Fossi | and om-conf died in several ways on several projects |
| 19:45.19 | Fossi | then i gave up |
| 19:45.19 | Ainulindale | Fossi: you probably didn't set up this right |
| 19:45.21 | DaveLab | It makes stuff :) |
| 19:45.27 | Chocky | dino-: probably want to reboot, since you're changing the interface you're connecting through |
| 19:45.29 | DaveLab | giggles |
| 19:45.40 | Ainulindale | Fossi: If you could check the "FSO" page on the wiki I could step you through the potential errors |
| 19:46.08 | Fossi | Ainulindale: why is there a difference between fos/om2007.2 and asu there? |
| 19:46.11 | dino- | Chocky: Ok, thank you. |
| 19:46.16 | DaveLab | I'll have to try compiling these drivers later then :] |
| 19:46.18 | Fossi | *fso |
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| 19:46.21 | Ainulindale | Fossi: It's the same |
| 19:46.30 | Ainulindale | I just explained it using OE repository |
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| 19:46.42 | Ainulindale | But the steps are quite the same |
| 19:46.50 | Fossi | okay |
| 19:46.51 | Ainulindale | And mokomakefile should handle that for you by the way |
| 19:47.03 | Ainulindale | Did you try Mokomakefile ? |
| 19:47.12 | Fossi | ah, so i need to download the whole bunch of stuff? |
| 19:47.12 | DaveLab | yep |
| 19:47.15 | DaveLab | I've tried that :) |
| 19:47.22 | Fossi | even if i just want to crosscompile? |
| 19:47.23 | DaveLab | Took some doing, but it worked |
| 19:47.24 | Chocky | mofomojomakefilefofo |
| 19:47.24 | Ainulindale | Fossi: not necessarily |
| 19:47.27 | DaveLab | yep |
| 19:47.38 | DaveLab | I'm thinking of making a shirt, to that effect, Chocky :) |
| 19:47.41 | Ainulindale | You could just bitbake gcc |
| 19:47.43 | Chocky | sweet |
| 19:47.48 | Ainulindale | And it would compile it |
| 19:47.52 | Ainulindale | Why is everybody so cranky here ? |
| 19:47.57 | Ainulindale | Is there a disease I don't know about ? |
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| 19:48.04 | Chocky | it's just Dave. |
| 19:48.06 | RXShorty | Ainulindale... |
| 19:48.09 | RXShorty | I don't know :) |
| 19:48.19 | RXShorty | It is weekend at my place... so :D |
| 19:48.25 | DaveLab | I'm not cranky ;p |
| 19:48.26 | Fossi | i want to bitbake an external package i happen to have the files for (erlang) |
| 19:48.37 | Ainulindale | Fossi: So what you just have to do is |
| 19:48.37 | DaveLab | oh wait, I am, someone took all my cookies :[ |
| 19:48.43 | Ainulindale | Either set up the toolchain (didn't do that myself) |
| 19:48.45 | break_free | so is ASU going to be the official distro? |
| 19:48.46 | DaveLab | and I want naptime. |
| 19:48.50 | Ainulindale | Or bitbake the right dependencies |
| 19:48.55 | Fossi | the guy tried this on his fic and checked them in in the bugtracker |
| 19:48.57 | Ainulindale | Then bitbake -b your file |
| 19:48.57 | DaveLab | bitbake me some brownies! |
| 19:49.20 | Fossi | so if it complains about autotools.bb, i have to bitbake that? |
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| 19:49.31 | Ainulindale | I'll bitbake your nuts if you don't stop being an ass instead of trying to make your install work, DaveLab :-) |
| 19:49.32 | Fossi | or is it trying to |
| 19:49.38 | DaveLab | :O |
| 19:49.44 | DaveLab | Wow. |
| 19:49.45 | Chocky | Ainulindale: lay it down |
| 19:49.56 | Ainulindale | Lay what down ? |
| 19:50.02 | DaveLab | heehee |
| 19:50.02 | Chocky | some smackdown |
| 19:50.07 | Chocky | the law! |
| 19:50.23 | DaveLab | haha oh god |
| 19:50.26 | DaveLab | The Source Code? |
| 19:50.30 | Ainulindale | I must have broke my translated jokes bone. |
| 19:50.32 | DaveLab | ;) |
| 19:50.47 | Ainulindale | Well, I have other stuff to do than procrastinating here |
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| 19:50.54 | DaveLab | :o |
| 19:50.57 | Ainulindale | So if everyone is willing to give a try at actually doing stuff |
| 19:51.00 | Fossi | procrastinating elsewhere? |
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| 19:51.10 | DaveLab | Ainulindale, will the Dialer be really cool? |
| 19:51.41 | Ainulindale | It will be a dialer. It won't make coffee. It will dial. |
| 19:51.48 | DaveLab | Okay :] |
| 19:51.51 | Chocky | wants it to dial coffee |
| 19:51.56 | dino- | Well, that went real easy once the interfaces file was changed. :/ |
| 19:51.57 | DaveLab | gah |
| 19:52.06 | DaveLab | I probably should use screenshots for a background on my phone |
| 19:52.08 | Chocky | dino-: imagine that. :o |
| 19:52.17 | DaveLab | it keeps confusing me, what app I'm actually in, if any. |
| 19:52.59 | DaveLab | Thanks for the help, Ainulindale =) |
| 19:53.12 | DaveLab | exit |
| 19:53.36 | Ainulindale | I didn't help. I'll happily help you when you'll be disposed to listen and actually try what I'm telling you :-) |
| 19:53.37 | Fossi | 555-COFFEE |
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| 19:56.39 | dino- | Now, I still need to do the iptables commands on the desktop? |
| 19:56.44 | Chocky | yes |
| 19:57.30 | CVirus | Qtopia in the topic ? |
| 19:57.32 | CVirus | why ? |
| 19:57.48 | dino- | Why are there the two addresses, .202 and .200 ? |
| 19:58.06 | Ainulindale | 202 is the neo, 200 the host |
| 19:58.21 | dino- | The 200 is on the desktop? It's the usb0? |
| 19:58.27 | Ainulindale | Yep |
| 19:58.30 | dino- | ok |
| 19:59.50 | lpotter | umm whoops |
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| 20:00.20 | dino- | Man, still no ping from the FR. I wonder if the gateway in interface needs to point to that .1.200 instead of the .0.200 it still is. |
| 20:00.31 | Chocky | yes |
| 20:00.37 | Chocky | like what was said to you :o |
| 20:00.39 | lpotter | anyone have the old topic :) |
| 20:00.48 | CVirus | yeah please |
| 20:00.52 | malik1972 | lpotter: hi |
| 20:00.56 | Chocky | but you're still being horribly unclear |
| 20:01.02 | Chocky | "ping frmo the FR" could mean anything. |
| 20:01.21 | Ainulindale | dino-: Please read the USB networking topic on the wiki |
| 20:01.29 | Ainulindale | I think you'll find all you need to get that running :-) |
| 20:01.35 | lpotter | malik1972: hi |
| 20:01.36 | Chocky | Ainulindale: no :-( |
| 20:01.42 | Ainulindale | What, no ? |
| 20:01.42 | malik1972 | lpotter: there are some relevant bugs concerning suspend/resume |
| 20:01.49 | lpotter | suprising anyone can change the topic |
| 20:02.01 | lpotter | malik1972: of course :) |
| 20:02.02 | Chocky | no, the instructions there are confusing. I and others told him how to fix it. but well, you know. |
| 20:02.10 | Chocky | he had overlapping subnets. |
| 20:02.17 | malik1972 | lpotter: hehe ... but i like it nevertheless |
| 20:02.21 | Ainulindale | They're not confusing |
| 20:02.26 | Chocky | damn well are. |
| 20:02.36 | Chocky | the entire wiki is terrible. |
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| 20:02.48 | Chocky | We should be ashmed of its organization |
| 20:02.49 | dino- | Chocky: I did ask that: |
| 20:02.51 | Ainulindale | Well if you know so much about that, why don't you edit it ? |
| 20:02.56 | malik1972 | lpotter: i had also some other issues in mind but forgot them |
| 20:02.56 | dino- | 15:36 < dino-> I'm not sure if I should just change the address field in /etc/network/interfaces or other things. I don't want to get it to some state where I can't ssh back to it. |
| 20:02.59 | Chocky | dino-: and someone said several times. |
| 20:03.06 | Chocky | Ainulindale: I will, as soon as I have time. |
| 20:03.06 | dino- | 15:37 < Wonka> dino-: just change that one number |
| 20:03.15 | Ainulindale | dino-: You can change the IP as long as you remember the new one |
| 20:03.22 | malik1972 | lpotter: will come back to you later |
| 20:03.31 | Ainulindale | And even if you can't ssh back, you'll be able to flash rootfs again |
| 20:03.38 | Ainulindale | But that won't happen |
| 20:03.40 | Chocky | sigh |
| 20:03.44 | Chocky | already said all this |
| 20:03.58 | Chocky | this is why it's impossible to help someone here. _even_ if they listen, people all try to hel pat once. |
| 20:04.03 | Wonka | dino-: ah, maybe you should change the default gateway address too - otherwise you'd get no internet, but only access to the subnet the FR is in |
| 20:04.05 | lpotter | /topic #openmoko |
| 20:04.05 | lpotter | Openmoko | Freerunner stock: 850's are in stock. | Official Updates: |
| 20:04.05 | lpotter | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.05 | lpotter | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.05 | lpotter | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.11 | lpotter | errrr |
| 20:04.13 | Ainulindale | Remember what I said about the disease earlier Chocky ? I think you have it. |
| 20:04.17 | Chocky | I do. |
| 20:04.18 | CVirus | sie == they ? |
| 20:04.33 | Ainulindale | Chocky: You should calm down, don't help people if they don't want help |
| 20:04.44 | Chocky | Ainulindale: you've horribly misread the situation. |
| 20:05.00 | Ainulindale | Perhaps, but what you said looks mean to me |
| 20:05.04 | Chocky | you came in halfway though. don't make assumptions. |
| 20:05.09 | Ainulindale | But as I'm french, I may misread/misunderstand. |
| 20:05.18 | *** topic/#openmoko by lpotter -> Openmoko | Freerunner stock: 850's are in stock. | Official Updates: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. | Community dev #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
| 20:05.20 | Ainulindale | Well, this discussion leads to nowhere, I'm off to do other stuff. |
| 20:05.23 | Chocky | good |
| 20:05.49 | dino- | Chocky: I appreciate the help and I do know what it's like to try to help people who know quite a bit less on a topic as you do. I think you've been a bit rude to me today, I'm sorry to say. |
| 20:05.57 | Ainulindale | Yep, that way you should be able to tell you already say that or this someway :-) |
| 20:06.03 | Chocky | I have, but nothing you didn't deserve. |
| 20:06.21 | dino- | That's a very sad attitude, my friend. :( |
| 20:06.30 | Chocky | nope. |
| 20:06.49 | Chocky | I challenge _you_ to help someone who won't answer the questions and won't follow the directions. |
| 20:07.09 | railer | hey I haven't flashed now since I got the phone, how often should I flash? |
| 20:07.36 | SpeedEvil | lpotter 850 in stock where? |
| 20:07.55 | araujo | just checked store |
| 20:07.59 | araujo | and nothing yet |
| 20:08.26 | dino- | Wonka: Thank you, about the gateway. |
| 20:09.31 | lpotter | SpeedEvil: just changing the topis back to what it was before. |
| 20:09.34 | lpotter | topic |
| 20:10.02 | railer | Chocky, then apologize and excuse yourself from the room, if you are frustrated, but try hard not to get snippy, it perpetuates the stereotype that all linux people and RTFM-assholes. It takes a long time to stop stereotypes and so little time to confirm them. |
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| 20:10.47 | Chocky | railer: yes, very clever. Everyone can point fingers. Do you want me to lay out some blame? |
| 20:11.25 | Chocky | is not an "RTFM-asshole", FWIW. since I've clearly pointed out how bad the FM is. |
| 20:11.30 | trix | fwiw the wiki is what you make of it. it may not resemble the getting started guide of a consumer phone but it is still a valuable resource |
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| 20:11.47 | TAsn | lpotter, also remove the 850's are in stock |
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| 20:11.50 | TAsn | since they are out :) |
| 20:12.27 | railer | no I know he was difficult, and why people by a phone like this without considerable skills is beyond me, but please try to be tolerant, I know you help out MANY people all the time. |
| 20:13.18 | kelvie_work | railer: people just want to help out... which is in good spirit and all |
| 20:13.22 | lpotter | TAsn: anyone change change the topic |
| 20:13.25 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> Freerunner is out of stock. | Official Updates: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. | Community dev #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
| 20:13.34 | CVirus | much better |
| 20:13.36 | kelvie_work | but now that book that was linked to me a while back (The Mythical Man Month) is starting to show its meaning well |
| 20:13.36 | railer | sometime's it's best just to say sorry dude boss watching gotta go good luck! |
| 20:15.59 | railer | It's though I know especially when you think that EVERYONE here is helping get a phone working for FREE. |
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| 20:20.01 | mak163 | when building the openmoko kernel from source using the instructions from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain I get the error that ./build: Error line 12: mkimage not found |
| 20:20.13 | mak163 | has anyone else has such an issue? |
| 20:21.12 | Chocky | railer: lecture as you like, I disagree. And there's no apostrophe in "sometimes" :p |
| 20:22.02 | railer | seriously, that's funny, did... did... |
| 20:22.14 | Ainulindale | Yeah, you're right, it's just better to lecture someone about his command of english as a non native speaker (or native), instead of helping |
| 20:22.15 | railer | I get it right this time? |
| 20:22.40 | Chocky | Ainulindale: whoosh! There was no lecturing. It was a suggestion since I clearly knew you were a foreign speaker. |
| 20:22.59 | Ainulindale | And it was sarcasm. |
| 20:23.09 | Chocky | railer: no idea, can't make head or tails of what you think your correction is. |
| 20:23.23 | Chocky | Ainulindale: ah, I see. You got the disease now? |
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| 20:23.56 | Ainulindale | As I said before, this discussion leads nowhere |
| 20:24.01 | Fossi | if you don't have it, you feel a little lonely. XD |
| 20:24.04 | railer | I'm not I just suck at English :) Did I get the apostrophe in "that's" correct this time? |
| 20:24.07 | Chocky | It's real funny how hypocrisy works, I fear. |
| 20:24.32 | Fossi | railer: while we're at it. sometimes punctuation helps as well. :) |
| 20:25.23 | railer | I'm just yanking ya Chocky, I've watched the channel you help out lots I was out of line, I just thought I could help. |
| 20:25.33 | Chocky | Ainulindale: In my _very_ considerable experince, it's that the vast majority of Europeans with English as a second language appreciate polite English corrections. And also in my experince, many of such people have better English than those who should really know better. |
| 20:26.04 | Chocky | I certainly wish _I_ had a second language. |
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| 20:26.21 | lpotter | my second language is Gibberish |
| 20:26.26 | railer | Hell I wish I had a first! |
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| 20:27.39 | Tsing1 | I speak enough French, Spanish, and German to convince people who are native to those tongues that I am a complete idiot. |
| 20:28.00 | awesomo4k | watches fso compile |
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| 20:28.11 | ike | Hello. |
| 20:28.30 | awesomo4k | does anyone build the moko distributions from scratch or is everyone pretty much using the MokoMakefile |
| 20:28.31 | ike | I'm having some problems with sharing my internet connction from Neo FreeRunner via OSX. |
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| 20:28.39 | mak163 | i am building from scratch |
| 20:28.51 | mak163 | well...using the pre-compiled toolchain that is |
| 20:28.54 | balrog-kun | didn't have much luck with his native language, everyone thinks i speak it terrible |
| 20:29.07 | CM | awesomo4k: Building all images from scratch here, almost daily for over a year :) |
| 20:29.10 | balrog-kun | had most luck at the third try |
| 20:29.19 | Chocky | CM: dedicated |
| 20:29.25 | Rigolo_ | what is the latest version of uboot? and what is a good reason to upgrade uboot? |
| 20:29.42 | Chocky | ext3 booting |
| 20:29.52 | CM | Chocky: Gentoo syndrome maybe ;) |
| 20:29.57 | mak163 | CM: do you have to get mkimage from the u-boot source using the git tree? |
| 20:29.57 | Chocky | ricers. |
| 20:30.22 | awesomo4k | what would you say to someone who wanted to create their own custom distro ... is there a howto for that |
| 20:30.30 | mak163 | CM: the pre-compiled toolchain appears not to have mkimage so using ./build doesnt work |
| 20:30.45 | mjr | well, openembedded is pretty much _all about_ creating your distro :] |
| 20:30.50 | Chocky | awesomo4k: if memory serves, there's an OM file which says exact which packages end up in your image. |
| 20:30.53 | CM | awesomo4k: I'd say pick a current one and contribute to it though.. |
| 20:31.01 | CM | There's already how many? 5? 6? |
| 20:31.11 | trix | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 20:31.12 | Chocky | he might have some custom need. |
| 20:31.20 | CM | mak163: Oh, hmm.. I've been using the makefile mostly |
| 20:31.39 | CM | Chocky: True. ScaredyCat used to build custom 2007.2 images for the gta01 |
| 20:31.42 | mak163 | oh ok, any idea where to get mkimage? u-boot is supposed to ahve it right? |
| 20:32.00 | Chocky | can't say I'm overly excited by the default packages in either ASU or GTK |
| 20:32.01 | CM | mak163: Can't you install it in your distro? |
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| 20:32.04 | awesomo4k | would you say a good approach is to start with an fso checkout and setup a local git repo to start hacking on? |
| 20:32.22 | tinita2 | hi |
| 20:32.24 | CM | mak163: I think I had to do that once (long time ago..) |
| 20:32.41 | mak163 | i am on ubuntu hardy 8.04, and cant see to find where to get the download for it |
| 20:32.54 | Chocky | http://packages.debian.org/sid/uboot-mkimage |
| 20:32.58 | methril|laptop | you could bitbake mkimage |
| 20:33.04 | tinita2 | is anybody here that could help with a freerunner that doesn't start up anymore? (black screen after boot) |
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| 20:33.35 | tinita2 | it happened after i started the gps application (without the sd card inserted) |
| 20:33.36 | mak163 | thank you very much, this issue has been killin me all day.....::getting a bit stressed out:: :'( |
| 20:33.48 | Chocky | tinita2: reflash kernel and/or image |
| 20:33.56 | awesomo4k | mak163: apt-cache search says package "jigit" but i don't think thats the same mkimage |
| 20:34.08 | tinita2 | Chocky: ok, i'm a newbie, what does reflash mean? |
| 20:34.12 | balrog-kun | tinita2: tried flashing rootfs anew? |
| 20:34.13 | Chocky | awesomo4k: it's not, install the once I said |
| 20:34.17 | mak163 | awesome4k: its not |
| 20:34.28 | awesomo4k | namespace collision ! |
| 20:34.32 | Chocky | tinita2: please read getting started guide |
| 20:34.36 | mak163 | awesome4k: but i sure tried it :P |
| 20:35.13 | balrog-kun | tinita2: it's rewriting the system into the non volatile memory |
| 20:35.31 | balrog-kun | it might have ran out of space or corrupted or something |
| 20:35.32 | methril|laptop | mak163 i think that it's the u-boot-mkimage-openmoko-native/ |
| 20:35.44 | methril|laptop | or u-boot utils |
| 20:36.08 | mak163 | methrill|laptop: the name of the debian package? |
| 20:36.09 | tinita2 | Chocky: thanks, i'll try to understand the boot menu thing now |
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| 20:36.30 | tinita2 | Chocky: should i insert the sd card for that? |
| 20:36.35 | Chocky | tinita2: please read getting started guide |
| 20:36.36 | railer | tinita2: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner his is very helpful |
| 20:36.50 | methril|laptop | not, the name f the bitbake receipe |
| 20:37.14 | railer | tinita2 you don't need the mini sd at all |
| 20:37.15 | tinita2 | ok ok, i'm already reading =) |
| 20:37.25 | Chocky | great, xmms shown on the qutopia desktop - but guess what - there's no xmms |
| 20:37.31 | Chocky | er, qtopia |
| 20:37.44 | mak163 | methrill|laptop: oh ok, i will have to look into that, not very familiar with bitbake...you dont know a good wiki instruction page do you? |
| 20:38.47 | tinita2 | i can't even shutdown any more |
| 20:38.56 | tinita2 | hve to remove the battery |
| 20:38.56 | Chocky | pull the battery |
| 20:39.00 | tinita2 | =) |
| 20:39.49 | tinita2 | now i wish i had two hands |
| 20:40.10 | railer | ? |
| 20:40.34 | tinita2 | i just have one, so i'll try to hold aux and power now with this hand =) |
| 20:40.52 | railer | tinita2, do you know linux well? |
| 20:41.17 | methril|laptop | mak163 openembedded,net & the poky handbook (very well documented) --> http://pokylinux.org |
| 20:41.20 | tinita2 | railer: a bit, i'm not as good as a sys admin, but... |
| 20:41.26 | tinita2 | railer: i'm a programmer |
| 20:41.31 | railer | ok |
| 20:41.44 | tinita2 | railer: and using debian on my home notebook |
| 20:41.53 | mak163 | methril|laptop: thank you very much for helping me, i really appreciate it |
| 20:42.02 | methril|laptop | you are very wellcome |
| 20:42.11 | railer | I was worried because the phrase "newbie" and "freerunner" should never be used in the same sentence |
| 20:42.18 | tinita2 | hehe |
| 20:42.21 | methril|laptop | at the beginning it's a litle bit difficult to understand the build system |
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| 20:43.18 | mak163 | it is, but hopefully ill get the source built now thanks to your help |
| 20:43.23 | Chocky | methril|laptop: few complex build systems for which that isn't the case ;-( I know, I build build systems. |
| 20:43.27 | railer | but if you're a debian whore then you should be up and running soon, but one arm thing could be a problem, tiny kb, could be tricky |
| 20:43.59 | railer | and I mean whore in the best possible sense :) |
| 20:44.16 | Chocky | railer: I'm a Debian whore in all the senses. |
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| 20:45.04 | methril|laptop | then you don't like ubuntu :) |
| 20:45.22 | Chocky | not as such, but not in any strong manner. |
| 20:45.28 | methril|laptop | hehehe |
| 20:45.30 | tinita2 | set console to usb doesn't work, i get the nor boot menu again |
| 20:45.31 | Chocky | let's just say I despise Fedora |
| 20:45.36 | methril|laptop | i use debian and ubuntu |
| 20:45.43 | methril|laptop | i prefer deb packaging than rpm |
| 20:45.54 | Chocky | RPM is a huge part of it, but Fedora is rife with issues. |
| 20:46.09 | methril|laptop | yes, it's really good integrated |
| 20:46.13 | sitwon | methril|laptop: specifically, what do you dislike about RPM? |
| 20:46.27 | methril|laptop | well, i'm not used to :) |
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| 20:46.39 | methril|laptop | i'm more confortable with deb packages |
| 20:46.44 | methril|laptop | i tested gentoo too |
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| 20:46.59 | methril|laptop | and now, at job, i'm dealing with a CentOS 5 server |
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| 20:47.12 | Chocky | RPM hell, and how an RPM with failures during installation is still marked as installed ok. |
| 20:47.21 | methril|laptop | trying to make it work as a oe genrator |
| 20:47.23 | sitwon | methril|laptop: I'm not used to RPM or DEB. I use TGZ. But as far as I know RPM and DEB do pretty much the same things |
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| 20:47.35 | methril|laptop | yes, i knoe |
| 20:47.36 | Chocky | sitwon: only very superficially. |
| 20:47.40 | tomjoad440 | tinita2: I think it goes back to the nor boot menu after you set console to usb |
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| 20:47.46 | methril|laptop | s/knoe/know |
| 20:47.47 | tomjoad440 | tinita2: try connecting to it anyway |
| 20:47.49 | Chocky | RPM is a series of back hacks and over-complex solutions. |
| 20:47.51 | tinita2 | tomjoad440: ok |
| 20:47.53 | Chocky | bad |
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| 20:48.09 | tinita2 | tomjoad440: i selected "Boot" after that, i see the "please wait" screen now |
| 20:48.10 | tinita2 | oh |
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| 20:48.24 | tinita2 | it' up again, phooey |
| 20:48.27 | methril|laptop | i'd like the ports system too (something similar to portage system in gentoo) |
| 20:48.32 | tinita2 | thanks for that |
| 20:48.40 | Chocky | methril|laptop: OE _is_ very much like portage. |
| 20:48.46 | methril|laptop | yes |
| 20:49.02 | tomjoad440 | tinita2: when you set console to usb you can then connect and do things within uboot |
| 20:49.02 | methril|laptop | but for my laptop takes ages to get the things compiled |
| 20:49.03 | tinita2 | any experiences with crashing "GPS & Map" application? |
| 20:49.04 | methril|laptop | hehehe |
| 20:49.07 | Chocky | likes how people pretend that Gentoo's portage system is somehow original ;-) |
| 20:49.24 | tinita2 | tomjoad440: yeah, i saw the usb0 active on my notebook |
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| 20:49.58 | balrog-kun | in fact OE's bitbake is based on portage |
| 20:50.04 | sitwon | Chocky: portage may not be original, but that doesn't mean it's a bad idea. Also, emerge is a bit different than what existed before.... |
| 20:50.10 | methril|laptop | uhm!! nice to know it |
| 20:50.12 | methril|laptop | :) |
| 20:50.12 | balrog-kun | probably doesn't have any original code in it anymore tho |
| 20:50.24 | Chocky | BSD ports wossname predates them both |
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| 20:50.40 | Chocky | as do Debian source packages, which is not a dissimilar idea |
| 20:50.44 | methril|laptop | for me portage it's a better use of ports |
| 20:50.59 | Chocky | sitwon: portage isn't, but Gentoo is ;-) |
| 20:51.22 | balrog-kun | Chocky: sure, portage even derives it's name fro ports |
| 20:51.25 | balrog-kun | its |
| 20:51.25 | methril|laptop | well, cooking time |
| 20:51.27 | Chocky | its :p |
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| 20:52.11 | methril|laptop | i love ports when i'm on macOS |
| 20:52.25 | methril|laptop | it's the only way to get GNU libraries working on it |
| 20:52.46 | mak163 | thanks again for the help all, g2g |
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| 20:53.17 | Chocky | also wrote a very similar system about the same time OE was being developed, for a different non-Unix OS. |
| 20:54.15 | methril|laptop | what system? |
| 20:54.19 | Chocky | RISC OS |
| 20:55.12 | methril|laptop | the old amiga friendly system? |
| 20:55.17 | Chocky | uh, no |
| 20:55.23 | methril|laptop | BeOS? |
| 20:55.26 | Chocky | no. |
| 20:55.30 | Chocky | and not Risc/OS |
| 20:55.31 | methril|laptop | uy!! |
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| 20:56.33 | Yanroy | hi all... I just got my freerunner yetserrday and I'm trying to follow the getting started wiki page |
| 20:56.48 | Yanroy | I've got it set up so I can SSH into the phone from my desktop, but the phone can't seem to get to the internet |
| 20:56.57 | Chocky | deja vu. |
| 20:56.58 | Yanroy | I think I've followed all the instructions on the usb networking page |
| 20:57.09 | Yanroy | I can't even ping the desktop computer from the phone |
| 20:57.11 | Chocky | how can it "not get to the internet". please be explicit. |
| 20:57.16 | Yanroy | I can't ping anything |
| 20:57.20 | Yanroy | I can't resolve addresses |
| 20:57.25 | Yanroy | (I set up resolv.conf) |
| 20:57.44 | Chocky | what is your desktop OS? |
| 20:57.50 | Yanroy | fedora 7 |
| 20:57.52 | Chocky | yuck |
| 20:58.08 | Chocky | please install Debian, and come back later ;-) |
| 20:58.10 | Yanroy | it's an old computer... I'm not going to bother to upgrade to F9 until I build a new one |
| 20:58.13 | Yanroy | debian is trash |
| 20:58.18 | Chocky | you are trash! |
| 20:58.24 | Chocky | ;-) |
| 20:58.29 | Yanroy | it doesn't matter for this anyways |
| 20:58.33 | Yanroy | at least, it shouldn't |
| 20:58.35 | Chocky | well, it might. |
| 20:58.40 | Chocky | this is Fedora. they do odd things. |
| 20:58.41 | Stroller | Yanroy: sounds like firewall |
| 20:58.41 | Yanroy | setting up usb0 was really easy... |
| 20:58.47 | Yanroy | I dropped my firewall on the desktop |
| 20:59.00 | Chocky | but let's take a step back |
| 20:59.03 | Yanroy | completely :P cuz I thoght maybe I hadn't configured it right |
| 20:59.04 | Chocky | can you ssh to the FR? |
| 20:59.06 | Yanroy | yep |
| 20:59.19 | Chocky | but you can't ping the usb0 IP from the FR? |
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| 20:59.42 | Yanroy | if by "usb0 IP" you mean the one set up on the desktop (192.168.0.200), no |
| 20:59.49 | Yanroy | the phone seems to have IP 192.168.0.202 |
| 20:59.52 | Chocky | what happens when you try? |
| 20:59.59 | Chocky | just sits like a lemon? |
| 21:00.17 | Stroller | all yellow & squeezable? |
| 21:00.19 | Fossi | it's so freaking weird. i restarted the 'firewall' in my router, now the moko gets a dhcp address again |
| 21:00.20 | Chocky | yes. |
| 21:00.39 | Chocky | Fossi: some routers are shit. It's true. |
| 21:00.48 | Chocky | blames linksys for lowering standards. |
| 21:00.53 | Yanroy | if I ping any address, it sits until I hit ctrl-C, then it tells me it sent a bunch of packets and all were lost |
| 21:00.56 | zash | Chocky: s/some/consumer/ |
| 21:01.04 | Chocky | Yanroy: most likely it is your firewall. |
| 21:01.05 | smhar | July 25 is finished but the webstore still does not offer any FRs? |
| 21:01.16 | sparrow | Fossi - what are you using? A linksys? |
| 21:01.18 | Yanroy | but I already killed iptables on my desktop... |
| 21:01.20 | Fossi | this smc thing is truely flakey |
| 21:01.22 | Chocky | zash: plenty of "enterprise" routers are also terrible. |
| 21:01.26 | Stroller | smhar: they sold out already, I think |
| 21:01.36 | Fossi | normally i just used it as an ap |
| 21:01.46 | Fossi | and use my linux box as the router |
| 21:01.56 | smhar | Stroller, only the 850s, but they did not offer any 900s |
| 21:02.16 | Chocky | Yanroy: what does "on your desktop" mean?" |
| 21:02.25 | Chocky | as I said, Fedora is causing headaches |
| 21:02.33 | Stroller | smhar: ah, well, you didn't say that. :P |
| 21:02.40 | Yanroy | wait, progress... I can ping 192.168.0.200 now, just not anything outside (like google, even if I use the IP instead of th ename) |
| 21:02.56 | Yanroy | huh? on my desktop means desktop firewall |
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| 21:02.59 | Stroller | I never remember which way round the two frequencies are |
| 21:03.03 | Chocky | so now you need the forwarding/NATing as per the wiki |
| 21:03.09 | Yanroy | my machine runs iptables... so I stopped the service |
| 21:03.14 | Chocky | so some trashy Fedora firewall config? ;p |
| 21:03.23 | Yanroy | I configured it myself |
| 21:03.31 | Yanroy | but it's stopped now, so it shouldn't matter |
| 21:03.34 | Chocky | oh dear. iptables is a service. stupido Fedora :p |
| 21:03.41 | Chocky | don't assume that. |
| 21:03.48 | Wonka | Yanroy: you need iptables, at least the nat table, for NATing your FR into the Net |
| 21:03.48 | richiefrich | Chocky: why it should be |
| 21:03.52 | Chocky | iptables is tool to maintain firewalling state |
| 21:04.17 | Wonka | ok, you need netfilter then ;) |
| 21:04.20 | Chocky | Fedora's use of it as a userspacd daemon is just on top of that. |
| 21:04.25 | Chocky | richiefrich: no idea what you're asking |
| 21:04.33 | Stroller | Chocky: you must be in great demand for popularity contests |
| 21:04.50 | Yanroy | ok, I recall something on the wiki about iptables, so I'll go read and try that... |
| 21:04.51 | Chocky | Stroller: Fedora sucks, it's all I have to say ;-) |
| 21:04.55 | Yanroy | thanks for your help so far |
| 21:04.58 | Yanroy | brb |
| 21:05.07 | Wonka | with empty nat table, internet access from rfc1918 addresses won't work |
| 21:05.10 | Chocky | plus, I build routers. |
| 21:05.27 | richiefrich | Chocky: why shouldnt iptables be an init script, it makes it easier to start stop and reload |
| 21:06.05 | Chocky | richiefrich: I didn't say it shouldn't be, it's just that I don't trust Fedora to do it right. |
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| 21:06.18 | richiefrich | Chocky: heh |
| 21:06.27 | Chocky | and besides, the naming is clearly confusing in this instance verus the tool itself |
| 21:06.53 | Wonka | "stopping iptables service" could mean "emptying all tables" |
| 21:06.53 | Yanroy | the phone keeps going to sleep while I'm ssh'ed in, any way to prevent that? |
| 21:07.02 | malik1972 | mmontour: ping |
| 21:07.04 | Wonka | whatever that should be good for |
| 21:07.08 | Yanroy | Wonka: I think it actually says something to that effect when it shuts down |
| 21:07.13 | Chocky | Wonka: one hopes, but one cannot be sure ;-) |
| 21:07.39 | Chocky | and besides, it might set a DENY policy on the tables by "default" |
| 21:07.49 | CVirus | Wha'ts the difference between gehe, ging, gegange ? |
| 21:07.53 | CVirus | any native speakers around ? |
| 21:08.05 | CVirus | gegangen* |
| 21:08.11 | Wonka | CVirus: gehen, ging, gegangen |
| 21:08.15 | Yanroy | actually, it sets it to accept |
| 21:08.15 | Chocky | CVirus: Swahili? |
| 21:08.18 | |Marco| | can anyone tell me where the information about how you can change where and how the clock is displayed on the default image on the freerunner ? |
| 21:08.22 | Wonka | CVirus: it's like go, went, gone |
| 21:08.34 | |Marco| | mw|: told me once, but I've forotten where |
| 21:08.41 | Wonka | CVirus: actually, it's exactly that |
| 21:09.07 | dino- | Yanroy: I had that happening and changed to 'Power management: Dim only, don't lock' in the hold-power menu. |
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| 21:09.30 | CVirus | Wonka: isn't there like an irc channel on some network where native speakers gather and give free support to beginners ? |
| 21:09.41 | Chocky | CVirus: Swahili? |
| 21:09.43 | Wonka | CVirus: beginners in what? |
| 21:09.58 | CVirus | Deutsch |
| 21:10.03 | Wonka | "dim" seems to include this screen locking thing, while "lock" seems to mean "suspend to ram" |
| 21:10.05 | Chocky | Nien. |
| 21:10.14 | CVirus | Chocky: ? |
| 21:10.20 | Chocky | Wonka: I know, sucks. |
| 21:10.22 | dino- | Wonka: I wasn't sure when I doinked it, but seemed to have helped, ya. |
| 21:10.34 | Wonka | CVirus: don't know any. i am in several german-speaking channels, but i don't know of a learner's channel |
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| 21:11.07 | CVirus | Wonka: do you mind if I ask you a couple of questions in private if I face any problems while studying ? |
| 21:12.03 | Wonka | CVirus: not really. just ask. if i'm away, ask anyway, i'll answer later |
| 21:12.11 | CVirus | Wonka: cool .. thanks |
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| 21:13.04 | Fossi | great. now the connection got lost again |
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| 21:14.54 | Yanroy | nice, got it working! |
| 21:15.07 | Yanroy | even DNS |
| 21:15.17 | mmaestri | hi |
| 21:15.36 | Yanroy | thanks :) |
| 21:16.04 | mmaestri | now i'm using irssi on the freerunner, from a ssh console |
| 21:16.13 | Stroller | So am I right in understanding that upgrading u-boot improves battery life / suspend-resume ? |
| 21:16.43 | Chocky | Stroller: not really, only improves charging in certain circumstances. |
| 21:16.50 | Chocky | since mostly uboot isn't running |
| 21:16.51 | Stroller | mmaestri: lame. You should be using irssi on the freerunner using the 1-9 keyboard |
| 21:17.02 | Chocky | mmontour: geek |
| 21:17.06 | Chocky | er, mmaestri |
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| 21:17.51 | Stroller | Ah, right. OK. It allows the FR to be run off USB, with a completely flat battery? |
| 21:18.08 | Chocky | yes, I forget specifics. |
| 21:18.19 | Chocky | and the ext3 boot stuff |
| 21:18.58 | Stroller | Right, TY |
| 21:19.05 | mmontour | malik1972: hello |
| 21:19.15 | Stroller | So it's a useful exercise for learning more about the FR, I think |
| 21:20.47 | malik1972 | mmontour: hi, i have some uboot_env configuration problems |
| 21:21.06 | malik1972 | mmontour: can you have a look at the below line |
| 21:21.15 | Yanroy | so I think I read somewhere on the ML that if you run opkg upgrade in screen, it will survive the inevitable disconnect from restarting X and/or dropbear? is that true? |
| 21:21.32 | malik1972 | mmontour: menu_1=Boot from P1: setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit; ext2load mmc 2 0x32000000 /boot/${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x32000000 |
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| 21:21.40 | Stroller | Yanroy: yes |
| 21:21.50 | Chocky | opkg install dropbear >/dev/null 2&>1 & |
| 21:21.52 | Stroller | Yanroy: you just ssh back in when the connection is dropped |
| 21:21.53 | Chocky | will work also |
| 21:21.57 | Chocky | oops |
| 21:21.58 | Yanroy | Stroller: k |
| 21:22.01 | Chocky | opkg install dropbear >/dev/null 2>&1 & |
| 21:22.05 | Chocky | it's purely dropbear |
| 21:22.12 | Stroller | Yanroy: & `screen -Rd` |
| 21:22.14 | Chocky | if like me, you're allergic to screen |
| 21:22.21 | Yanroy | what's -Rd? |
| 21:22.27 | Yanroy | I just know -r |
| 21:22.31 | mmontour | "mmc 2" looks wrong - try "mmc 1:2" if you want to load from the second partition |
| 21:22.32 | Yanroy | I'm a screen n00b |
| 21:22.36 | Wonka | i had ssh connections via usb going, disconnected the FR, reconnected it several minutes later - and the ssh connection was still running. |
| 21:22.40 | malik1972 | mmontour: i flashed a new uboot version, have fat+ext3+ext3+ext3 partitions on sd, put the kernel |
| 21:22.49 | malik1972 | mmontour: okay |
| 21:22.54 | Chocky | Wonka: yes, TCPtastic. |
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| 21:22.54 | Stroller | Yanroy: resumes existing session, detaching if necessary, I think |
| 21:23.12 | Wonka | tcp retransmit rocks |
| 21:23.26 | Chocky | but this is a different matter |
| 21:23.31 | Chocky | since the ssh server gets restarted :p |
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| 21:23.37 | Chocky | and dropbear is kinda dumb |
| 21:23.38 | Yanroy | Stroller: ah, I think I found it in the man page... if I'm reading that right, you probably want -rd, not -Rd |
| 21:23.52 | Stroller | Yanroy: no, -Rd works |
| 21:23.55 | Yanroy | the latter will create the session if it doesn't exist, which may be undesirable |
| 21:24.05 | Stroller | um |
| 21:24.05 | Chocky | anyway, just use my command :p |
| 21:24.08 | Chocky | don't mess with screen |
| 21:24.19 | Yanroy | screen is cool. besides, it's already been running for about 5 mins :) |
| 21:24.24 | Stroller | But the session exists because you were just using it |
| 21:24.36 | malik1972 | mmontour: but mmmcinit, followed by "ext2ls mmc 1:2" gives me ** Bad ext2 partition or disk - mmc 1:2 ** |
| 21:24.48 | Stroller | And got kicked out when dropbear dropped the ssh session |
| 21:24.54 | Yanroy | so does one of these updates prevent wifi from always being on whenever I boot? |
| 21:25.26 | malik1972 | malik1972: it worked before running the kernel from fat and an old uboot version |
| 21:25.42 | Wonka | i'd like that too, if wifi was not powered up on boot |
| 21:25.55 | andlo | ? how to reset bootmenu to default on neo1973 |
| 21:26.03 | Wonka | GSM i can understand - but could it please only powerup if there's a SIM inserted? |
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| 21:26.15 | Stroller | Basically, if you always use `screen -Rd` if'll 1) resume a screen session if it exists, even if you're connected to it on another terminal and 2) create a new session if it doesn't. I use it as my standard "get screen up" command and rarely ever invoke screen any other way |
| 21:26.21 | Yanroy | eh, I think I'm just going to install the ASU ASAP :P I'm only updating the 2007.2 stack so I can practice using this stuff |
| 21:26.23 | malik1972 | mmontour: ext2load is okay for ext3 things? |
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| 21:26.42 | mmontour | Yes, "ext2load" works on ext3 too. |
| 21:27.10 | Yanroy | I've heard ASU reads SIM card contacts... 2007.2 did it on first boot, but not anymore... until that bug gets fixed, 2007.2 is useless for me :( |
| 21:27.14 | mmontour | Your u-boot is "20080723" or newer? |
| 21:27.42 | Wonka | i have a line "@reboot screen -d -m" in my user's crontab on my vserver and do a "screen -xRR" via ssh |
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| 21:31.30 | malik1972 | mmontour: no chance, same error as mentioned above, i hate uboot:-) |
| 21:32.03 | Yanroy | so is there a guide on the wiki for installing ASU? |
| 21:32.29 | malik1972 | is there anyone ot there using the new uboot and can post his "printenv"? |
| 21:32.40 | malik1972 | s/ot/out |
| 21:33.58 | malik1972 | Yanroy: search for flashing in the wiki |
| 21:34.21 | mmontour | malik1972: I just tested my SD card (in a Neo1973) and "ext2ls mmc 1:2" works for me. Maybe u-boot doesn't like your partition table. |
| 21:34.25 | Yanroy | I'm reading the flashing page now... it mentions flashing the kernel and the rootfs, but not uboot... it doesn't say anything ASU-specific, either |
| 21:35.33 | malik1972 | mmontour: why it should not? how many partitions you have? |
| 21:35.57 | malik1972 | Yanroy: you dont need to flashuboot for testing asu on nand |
| 21:36.09 | mmontour | I created 3 partitions for testing - FAT, ext3, and ext2. |
| 21:36.18 | Chocky | what is the FAT for? |
| 21:36.32 | Yanroy | malik1972: I figured I should update uboot just because there's a new version out |
| 21:36.32 | malik1972 | mmontour: i have 4,fat+ext3+ext2+ext3 |
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| 21:36.39 | kelvie_work | for setting the +x bit on all your files, of course |
| 21:36.46 | Chocky | kelvie_work: ah yes. |
| 21:37.04 | kelvie_work | why chmod -R +x when you can just store stuff on fat32? |
| 21:37.06 | malik1972 | yanroy: if you do that you should modify your uboot_env |
| 21:37.26 | Chocky | kelvie_work: cygwin on fat32, oh the comedy |
| 21:37.31 | kelvie_work | hehe |
| 21:37.37 | kelvie_work | I'm glad I never have to use cygwin again |
| 21:37.38 | Yanroy | malik1972: I'm afraid I don't know what uboot_env is... and are you suggesting I shouldn't upgrade uboot? |
| 21:37.41 | kelvie_work | (I hope) |
| 21:37.52 | malik1972 | mmontour: setenv menu_1 Boot from P1: setenv bootargs \${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 \${mtdparts} ro\; mmcinit\; ext2load mmc 1:2 0x32000000 \/boot\/\${sd_image_name}\; bootm 0x32000000 |
| 21:37.58 | Yanroy | kelvie_work: I have to use it every day (well, actually I use it by choice because I can't tolerate plain windows)... stupid company I work for |
| 21:38.16 | Chocky | uses cygwin from time to time. it's ok. |
| 21:38.18 | malik1972 | yanroy: i cant get it work, but doesnt mean anything |
| 21:38.24 | Chocky | much better than Windows "tools" |
| 21:38.57 | Yanroy | malik1972: so it can be updated independently of kernel/rootfs? I guess I'll worry about upgrading it another day |
| 21:39.04 | Chocky | Yanroy: yes. |
| 21:39.13 | kelvie_work | Yanroy: yeah I hear ya |
| 21:39.22 | kelvie_work | I would imagine you are not alone in that position :) |
| 21:39.31 | kelvie_work | a lot of developers over here run cygwin |
| 21:39.56 | malik1972 | yanroy: take your time reading the wikis on uboot ... |
| 21:40.14 | Yanroy | hehe... I'm twice as productive as the other coders at my company because I use cygwin and vim instead of MS visual C++ |
| 21:41.13 | mmontour | malik1972: can you pastebin the output of the following u-boot commands? "version", "mmcinit", "fatls mmc 1:1", "ext2ls mmc 1:2" |
| 21:41.29 | malik1972 | sure |
| 21:41.37 | kelvie_work | I use.. emacs on linux instead of visual studio :P |
| 21:41.41 | malik1972 | one moment please |
| 21:42.08 | kelvie_work | and I don't know.. I think it's tough to measure productivity :P |
| 21:42.35 | malik1972 | MichaelShiloh: i remember your name from somewhere :-) |
| 21:42.52 | SpeedEvil | functional modules that meet spec / expresso. |
| 21:44.55 | malik1972 | mmontour: U-Boot 1.3.2+gitr6+ba029a1426bfca169572bf80d50a8b190a6b0e19 (Jul 24 2008 - 00:51:40) |
| 21:45.18 | MichaelShiloh | malik1972: wind river? |
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| 21:45.22 | malik1972 | mmontour: Card Type: SD 2.0 SDHC |
| 21:45.55 | malik1972 | MichaelShiloh: just a joke ... i mean you r a VIP in this channel |
| 21:45.56 | Yanroy | does all the opkg stuff work with ASU? I dont want to be limiting myself to less software by switching... also is ASU stable enough for a (buggy) phone? I know even the 2007.2 is barely usable, but I knew what I was getting into when I bought this thing |
| 21:47.27 | malik1972 | mmontour: here we go http://pastebin.ca/1082923 |
| 21:47.37 | Yanroy | oh, and once I flash the ASU onto the device, can it update itself to the latest daily release, or must I re-flash every day? |
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| 21:49.31 | uzytkownik | Hello. How to setup the timezone? |
| 21:49.45 | Yanroy | gah... wiki says "Look for files of the form: openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.tar.gz", but there aren't any named like that in the ASU daily build directories... what do I actually want? |
| 21:49.46 | malik1972 | yanroy: you can use opkg for that |
| 21:49.50 | Chocky | read the getting started guide |
| 21:50.09 | mmaestri | Yanroy: ASU and 2007.2 behave mostly the same way. you can update it everyday |
| 21:50.28 | Chocky | there's some issues with ASU default repositories right now, however |
| 21:50.30 | Yanroy | mmaestri, malik1972: thanks.. that's exactly what I wanted to hear :) |
| 21:50.51 | Yanroy | Chocky: oh well... will it require reflashing to fix, or is it a remote host problem? |
| 21:50.57 | Chocky | dunno |
| 21:51.11 | Yanroy | whatever... I just want to try it. which file(s) should I download? |
| 21:51.13 | mmontour | malik1972: that pastebin looks OK to me (except for the error, of course). Does ext2ls give the same error for your other partitions (1:3 and 1:4)? |
| 21:52.07 | malik1972 | mmontour: yes:-( |
| 21:52.43 | malik1972 | mmontour: maybe it cant handle 4 partitions |
| 21:53.28 | malik1972 | mmontour: is it okay to load the kernel from a subdirectory |
| 21:53.37 | mmontour | Well, "works for me" (with 3 partitions; I haven't tried 4). Sorry, I don't have any other ideas. |
| 21:53.50 | mmontour | Yes, AFAIK it's OK to load the kernel from a subdirectory |
| 21:53.53 | Toaster`_ | is there a .ashrc file similar to a .bashrc file for busybox? I triedteh obvious .ashrc and it didn't seem to work |
| 21:54.09 | Chocky | opkg install bash :o |
| 21:54.19 | malik1972 | i can union the last two partitions |
| 21:54.54 | malik1972 | and give it a try |
| 21:55.38 | malik1972 | but i dont think that this is the problem |
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| 21:55.49 | malik1972 | uboot doesnt like me, thats all |
| 21:57.52 | Yanroy | I'm guessing I want this: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080725/uImage-2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0-om-gta02.bin |
| 21:58.03 | Yanroy | is the kernel image really only 1.7MB? that seems way too small |
| 21:58.03 | Chocky | yes |
| 21:58.08 | Chocky | too small for what? |
| 21:58.13 | Yanroy | for an entire kernel |
| 21:58.21 | kelvie_work | kernels are supposed to be small.. |
| 21:58.23 | Chocky | how big is your desktop kernel? |
| 21:58.24 | Toaster`_ | ah ha! I just have to update /etc/profile |
| 21:58.26 | Yanroy | dunno |
| 21:58.32 | Chocky | well then :p |
| 21:58.53 | kelvie_work | part of the reason it's called a kernel is because it is small |
| 21:58.56 | Yanroy | there's gotta be more than 1.7 million lines of code in the kernel, and each line should produce more than 1 byte of opcodes... |
| 21:59.01 | Chocky | it's true that Fedroa kernel packages are massive, becase they include every damn thing |
| 21:59.19 | Chocky | there is, but much of it isn't used on any given machine |
| 21:59.46 | Chocky | for starters, the arch specific stuff is huge, and you only need one arch :-) |
| 21:59.47 | kelvie_work | Yanroy: modules my friend :P |
| 21:59.51 | kelvie_work | and arch specific stuff yeah |
| 21:59.57 | Yanroy | so is this this the rootfs? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080725/modules-2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0-om-gta02.tgz |
| 21:59.58 | Chocky | and you would only use 1-2% of the drivers in practice |
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| 22:00.19 | Chocky | never mind all the stuff you can turn off on a device like the FR |
| 22:00.35 | kelvie_work | wow.. my gentoo kernel is a lot bigger than my ubuntu kernel (because I compile so much stuff in) |
| 22:00.53 | Chocky | ricer! |
| 22:00.55 | CVirus | just compile in what you need ! |
| 22:01.00 | CVirus | Chocky: shut up :-p |
| 22:01.16 | Chocky | I would have though that the Gentoo kernel would be "trimmed for size" or somesuch |
| 22:01.33 | CVirus | Chocky: apparently he doesn't know what he's doing |
| 22:01.34 | kd8ikt | all depends on th .config :P |
| 22:01.53 | linuxxee | 71234 O 4022 blazing 3G fireball |
| 22:02.01 | Chocky | plus if you turn on the kernel debug, it can become real phat, real phast |
| 22:02.05 | linuxxee | failed |
| 22:02.25 | Chocky | _plus_ the uImage, like a bzImage, is compressed. |
| 22:02.26 | Yanroy | ow... damnit... this laser pointer thing is going to be the end of my eyes... every time I grab it to twist the stylus point out, I shine it in my eyes :P |
| 22:02.28 | Chocky | so it's really 3MB |
| 22:02.40 | linuxxee | i know i dont |
| 22:02.42 | Chocky | take out the batteries |
| 22:03.05 | Yanroy | linuxxee: I'm pretty sure that's the SIM I have... it works for phone calls, I haven't tried GPRS yet |
| 22:03.14 | CVirus | my kernel is 2.6mb |
| 22:03.20 | CVirus | Gentoo here |
| 22:03.24 | Chocky | sweet, 2.6 millibits |
| 22:03.34 | CVirus | MB* |
| 22:04.02 | linuxxee | do i have to turn off gsm then insert the card then turn gsm back on or sumfin? |
| 22:04.35 | Chocky | you are proposing to inset the SIM with the FR powered up? |
| 22:05.07 | Yanroy | is it normal for uboot to say "push aux to go back to boot menu" when I choose "set console to USB", but then a sec later go back to the boot menu without me pushing aux? |
| 22:05.18 | linuxxee | nope |
| 22:05.18 | linuxxee | --power off-- |
| 22:05.31 | Chocky | Yanroy: sounds like time for a u-boot upgrade :p |
| 22:05.38 | Yanroy | Chocky: really? |
| 22:05.48 | Yanroy | Chocky: I'm using the stock uboot |
| 22:05.56 | Chocky | well, you keep mooing about it :p |
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| 22:06.04 | Yanroy | I just don't know what to expect |
| 22:06.07 | Yanroy | now it turned itself off :P |
| 22:06.14 | Chocky | death and destruction. |
| 22:06.44 | mmontour | Yanroy: yes, it's normal. "Set console to USB" just sets some environment variables (which should default to USB-console anyway) |
| 22:08.24 | Yanroy | hmm... that auto-power-off timeout is really annoying... any way to increase it? |
| 22:09.12 | mmontour | "setenv boot_menu_timeout 65535" (or some other large number) |
| 22:10.04 | Yanroy | the wiki says |
| 22:10.12 | Yanroy | my rootfs image file should be .jffs2 |
| 22:10.21 | Yanroy | I have a tgz file, which I assume is a gzipped tar archive? |
| 22:10.39 | mjr | it is |
| 22:10.42 | Yanroy | or do I need something else |
| 22:10.43 | Yashy | so I have MokoMakefile installed and setup, is there documentation on compiling an app I can run on my NF? |
| 22:11.17 | Yanroy | Yashy: I just discovered this this morning, no idea if its any good, but it looks useful: http://andreasdalsgaard.blogspot.com/2008/07/openmoko-development-in-5-minutes.html |
| 22:12.20 | Yanroy | how do I flash this tgz file to the device? same as the wiki says for jffs2? |
| 22:12.32 | mjr | you don't |
| 22:12.38 | Yanroy | ok... |
| 22:12.40 | Chocky | thinks yanroy has answered his own question several times over |
| 22:12.47 | Yanroy | have I? |
| 22:12.55 | Chocky | yep. |
| 22:13.04 | Yanroy | in that case, I'd appreciate somone stating the obvious... |
| 22:13.10 | mjr | well, you could boot from SD, make an empty jffs2 on the internal flash, mount it, and then extract the tgz there |
| 22:13.14 | Chocky | mjr already did :p |
| 22:13.17 | mjr | but that'd be somewhat cumbersome |
| 22:13.33 | Yanroy | there's a tool for making the jffs2 from the tgz? |
| 22:13.42 | Chocky | no, there's the tool for downloading the jffs2 |
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| 22:14.26 | mjr | you can untar it and then make it into a jffs2 image of course though... |
| 22:14.41 | Chocky | make it a cpio and boot it as a ramdisk :p |
| 22:15.02 | Yanroy | Chocky: what's this tool you speak of for getting the jffs2? |
| 22:15.06 | mjr | mkfs.jffs2 I think |
| 22:15.07 | Chocky | your browser. |
| 22:15.17 | Yanroy | Chocky: but there isn't one in the daily build folder |
| 22:16.13 | Chocky | nor a tgz ;-) |
| 22:16.23 | Yanroy | there's a tgz in there... I'm looking at the ASU |
| 22:16.33 | Chocky | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/ |
| 22:16.46 | Yanroy | I'm looking at the one for today |
| 22:16.49 | Yanroy | should I not be? |
| 22:16.53 | Chocky | wonders where you are looking |
| 22:17.39 | Yanroy | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080725/ |
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| 22:18.07 | Yanroy | the one for the 22nd has a lot more stuff in it... can I mix and match the 25th's kernel with the 22nd's rootfs? |
| 22:18.08 | linuxxee | modules theres i .tgz |
| 22:18.16 | Chocky | pray tell, where is the .tgz in that dir besides the modules? ;p |
| 22:18.38 | Yanroy | Chocky: modules is what I'm talkling about |
| 22:18.38 | Chocky | oh dear |
| 22:18.46 | Chocky | that's jst kernel modules |
| 22:19.10 | Yanroy | ok...not what I want. well, there's no jffs2 in the 25th's directory, so I guess I need to use the 22nd's |
| 22:19.11 | railer | is there a command to know what build you currently have for 2007.2? |
| 22:19.13 | Chocky | as for the images, I assume there's some present build breakages |
| 22:19.32 | linuxxee | mee too |
| 22:19.45 | Chocky | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.50 | Yanroy | Chocky: so should I switch to the older kernel (I've already got the new one flashed) |
| 22:19.52 | linuxxee | /etc/version |
| 22:19.59 | linuxxee | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.12 | Chocky | new kernel should be good |
| 22:20.15 | Yanroy | k |
| 22:20.17 | Yanroy | here goes... |
| 22:20.34 | linuxxee | crunch |
| 22:20.56 | linuxxee | now it has nice square edges |
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| 22:22.36 | railer | is 20080622 too old? |
| 22:23.33 | pjz | should a freerunner be pulling opkg's from the neo1973 repo? |
| 22:24.00 | kelvie_work | CVirus: mine's 2.8gb on my 64 bit system :o |
| 22:24.03 | kelvie_work | er |
| 22:24.04 | kelvie_work | MB |
| 22:24.12 | linuxxee | the "Registering" in the top left corner has to do with the phone part is that correct? |
| 22:24.18 | CVirus | ricer! |
| 22:24.20 | CVirus | :-p |
| 22:24.20 | pjz | linuxxee: yeah, that's from the GSM network |
| 22:24.27 | kelvie_work | haha |
| 22:24.29 | Chocky | CVirus: "shut up" |
| 22:24.32 | linuxxee | thanks |
| 22:24.48 | CVirus | haha |
| 22:24.54 | pjz | linuxxee: np |
| 22:25.05 | linuxxee | had 3 different sims in there an thats all it says |
| 22:25.17 | Chocky | you fitted 3 SIMs to your FR? |
| 22:25.25 | Yanroy | linuxxee: you're sure you're in a place that has signal, and that you waited long enough for it to register? |
| 22:25.28 | linuxxee | time to register is 1 minuite? |
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| 22:25.37 | Yanroy | linuxxee: probably about that |
| 22:25.50 | linuxxee | 15 minuits each |
| 22:26.28 | Yanroy | my working SIM is 71234 O 4022... that's what you said yours was, right? |
| 22:26.38 | linuxxee | 1 t-mobile go phone |
| 22:26.46 | linuxxee | yup |
| 22:26.51 | linuxxee | #2 |
| 22:27.01 | linuxxee | y now on @3 |
| 22:27.13 | linuxxee | i check the # |
| 22:27.43 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: How is your flash coming? |
| 22:28.03 | Yanroy | Centaur5: kernel is done, I just finsihed downloading the rootfs, so I'm just starting that flash now |
| 22:28.11 | linuxxee | 64205g 3020 |
| 22:28.19 | linuxxee | #3 |
| 22:29.07 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: I'm tempted to upgrade just don't want to lose any functionality cause it's my only phone. You've been asking the very questions that I've had so I just read along. :) |
| 22:29.29 | linuxxee | yes the sim site says #3 doesnt work |
| 22:29.47 | Yanroy | Centaur5: lol... well, I had to switch plans so I could get a GSM provider so I have a backup free phone from that, but my other friends are all using their FRs as primary phones. haven't heard too many complaints yet |
| 22:30.04 | Yanroy | but they haven't tried the ASU |
| 22:30.26 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: Well I read this morning that the ASU will resume sound from suspend and that would be nice to have. |
| 22:30.27 | Yanroy | Centaur5: but even if it fails, you can always restore the 2007.2 image, right? |
| 22:30.55 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: Yeah, I just don't want to put a whole lot of effort into going back and forth. :) |
| 22:31.06 | Toaster`_ | When you guys have SIMs that don't work, do you mean that they don't register to the network at all? or do some only partially work? |
| 22:31.33 | linuxxee | all i have got is "Registering" |
| 22:31.37 | Yanroy | Centaur5: I've been really impressed at how easy this is... the wiki is really only confusing in that it tells you to do stuff, but not WHY to do them or what tradeoffs you're making at each step... hence all my questions |
| 22:31.56 | Yanroy | oh, and the wrong file names on the images page... maybe I'll update that. but someone said there's build probems, so maybe it's not actually wrong |
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| 22:32.24 | linuxxee | like the video of the sim install? |
| 22:32.30 | Toaster`_ | linuxxee: I get registered to a tower no problem, and can access the SIM data, but I can't make calls or receive SMS' |
| 22:32.45 | linuxxee | at$t? |
| 22:32.46 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: Do you know what the difference is with the openmoko-devel-image and the openmoko-qtopia-x11-image? Which did you choose? |
| 22:33.02 | Toaster`_ | linuxxee: no, Rogers (Canada) |
| 22:33.03 | Chocky | one is GTK, one is ASU |
| 22:33.05 | Yanroy | Centaur5: well, I think the former is 2007.2 and the latter is the ASU |
| 22:33.14 | Yanroy | Centaur5: I'm trying out the ASU right now |
| 22:33.16 | Chocky | one sucks, one sucks less |
| 22:33.37 | Yanroy | eh, if I wanted a shiny toy, I'd have bought an iphone... but instead I wanted a tool |
| 22:33.50 | Chocky | Candaian, eh? |
| 22:34.27 | linuxxee | so i guess i go to the att retail shop tomorrow |
| 22:34.34 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: Alright, I have it on the way then. Do you have to choose the uboot for the manufacturer version of the phone or just the larger one that I assume has all? |
| 22:34.38 | Yanroy | Chocky: if you were talking to me, then no... USA. I mean "eh" as in "meh", not "ay" like the canadians :) |
| 22:34.45 | Toaster`_ | Chocky: yep, land of the ISP and wireless monopolies and consumer pain |
| 22:34.52 | Chocky | :p |
| 22:35.07 | Chocky | Toaster`_: both US and Canada |
| 22:35.29 | Toaster`_ | Chocky: true. But it's colder here ;) |
| 22:35.35 | Yanroy | Centaur5: good question... especially since I don't see any v6 uboots on there, and AFAIK all shipped FRs are v6 |
| 22:35.43 | Chocky | v5 |
| 22:35.53 | Yanroy | then what's v6? |
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| 22:35.56 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: Which one did you update then? |
| 22:35.57 | Toaster`_ | I've heard of people getting it to work, or at least the 1973. I just can't send data through the network |
| 22:35.59 | Chocky | nothing, yet |
| 22:36.08 | Yanroy | Centaur5: I decided not to update uboot. I did kernel and rootfs |
| 22:36.28 | Yanroy | Centaur5: it seems you can do them all independently, so I'll go back and do uboot at a later date |
| 22:36.29 | linuxxee | yay |
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| 22:37.14 | Yanroy | the phone does charge while off, despite not giving any indication, right? |
| 22:37.39 | linuxxee | i hope |
| 22:37.40 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: By the way, I chose not to have an iphone cause apple likes to get you in proprietary lock in then shove pineapples up your butt for pleasure. :) |
| 22:37.59 | Yanroy | hehe |
| 22:38.05 | Chocky | apart from it costing a fortune |
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| 22:39.32 | linuxxee | so is there a chance since theres bad soldering on the gps port that its safe to say that threr could be bad soldering elsewhere an a closer inspection is necessary? |
| 22:39.47 | Chocky | there's no reason to suspect that |
| 22:39.58 | linuxxee | explain |
| 22:39.59 | Yanroy | linuxxee: one of my friends had his aux button pop off the board |
| 22:40.09 | Yanroy | he hasn't resoldered it yet... trying to get openmoko to cover it for him |
| 22:40.12 | CVirus | any native german speakers around ? |
| 22:40.17 | Chocky | nothing to explain, unless you're looking for paranoid reasons to be worried |
| 22:40.20 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: Well I just downloaded the new image files and I'll have to debate doing that tomorrow. |
| 22:40.31 | linuxxee | paranoid Hell |
| 22:40.42 | Yanroy | Centaur5: I'm booting it now... |
| 22:41.09 | linuxxee | chocky u are a little hmmmm wrong |
| 22:41.36 | Yanroy | heh... I like the boots |
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| 22:42.35 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: From what I've read I understand the ASU has a qwerty keyboard by default that is better than the one you install on 2007.2? |
| 22:42.58 | Yanroy | Centaur5: I don't know yet... just got to the home screen. it looks nice :) |
| 22:43.19 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: Oh come on! I can't wait for the goodness! :) |
| 22:43.36 | Yanroy | wow, it's slow... |
| 22:43.40 | pjz | Centaur5: well, it *did* but someone disabled the qwerty button in favor of some 'automatic' stuff |
| 22:43.58 | pjz | Centaur5: ...which doesn't work nearly so well, IMHO |
| 22:43.59 | Centaur5 | pjz: Automatic? It reads your mind? |
| 22:44.00 | Yanroy | at least it reads my SIM |
| 22:44.03 | Sargun | uhm |
| 22:44.06 | Sargun | ERROR: Unable to parse conf/bitbake.conf (conf/bitbake.conf:312: unparsed line: 'export PATH') |
| 22:44.18 | Sargun | when using bitbake + openembedded |
| 22:44.27 | pjz | Sargun: MokoMakefile ? |
| 22:44.49 | Yanroy | I can't figure out how to type in the messages app... is that the magic keyboard not working right? |
| 22:45.02 | pjz | Centaur5: well, it's supposed to 'automatically' pop up whenever you need to do text entry. It fails to do so a lot. And now there's no button to force it to do so. |
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| 22:45.14 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: Well it's supposed to be automatic, maybe you're not thinking clear enough. :) |
| 22:45.16 | pjz | Yanroy: try touching the entry area |
| 22:45.27 | Yanroy | I have. I have a blinking cursor, no keyboard |
| 22:45.37 | pjz | Yanroy: yah, so, well... fail. |
| 22:45.41 | Centaur5 | pjz: Oh, so there's no manual app like the 2007.2 to enable it? |
| 22:45.53 | Yanroy | hmm... guess I'll go read that thread about adding the button to manually use the keyboard... |
| 22:46.02 | pjz | Centaur5: I think someone posted a qwerty-reenable-button hack to the list somewhere |
| 22:46.33 | pjz | Someone should start a wikipage on 'how to keep ASU day-to-day usable' |
| 22:46.33 | Centaur5 | pjz: Alright, I'll research that before doing the update. |
| 22:46.46 | pjz | is flashing over to qtopia right now |
| 22:47.01 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: How does the rest look? Any new stuff? |
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| 22:47.32 | Skorzen | brb |
| 22:47.44 | Yanroy | Centaur5: it's a much cleaner look... pretty much white text on a black background (but all nicely true type, not like a console) |
| 22:47.51 | CVirus | any native german speakers around ? |
| 22:48.01 | Yanroy | Centaur5: all the apps are new, AFAICT |
| 22:48.06 | Ganneff | CVirus: . |
| 22:48.31 | CVirus | Ganneff: can I ask a couple of questions in private ? |
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| 22:48.54 | Ganneff | i dont know if you can. but try it, then i tell you. :) |
| 22:49.30 | Centaur5 | Are they working on having the dialer and sms app parse quotations and dashes from a contact phone number entry? |
| 22:50.04 | Yanroy | I need to eat some food and play with the ASU... thank you all very much for your help |
| 22:50.07 | Yanroy | I'm sure I'll be back |
| 22:50.08 | Yanroy | ;) |
| 22:50.17 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: I think I'll do it tomorrow if I have time. |
| 22:50.30 | Centaur5 | Yanroy: Thanks for your questions. |
| 22:50.35 | Yanroy | Centaur5: good luck. it seems really straight forward. alsos seems like it works well |
| 22:54.05 | Dave | yo yo yo |
| 22:54.09 | Chocky | d. |
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| 22:55.23 | araujo | checks store again |
| 22:55.41 | Chocky | goodluckwiththat |
| 22:56.39 | pjz | if I'm running qtopia, should I ever do an opkg update/upgrade? |
| 22:56.44 | Chocky | yes. |
| 22:56.58 | Dave | yes. |
| 22:57.01 | pjz | it won't trash qtopia? |
| 22:57.05 | Dave | No |
| 22:57.11 | Chocky | any upgrade might trash anything ;-) |
| 22:57.16 | Chocky | anyway, it's trash already :o |
| 22:57.25 | Dave | Also there's supposedly a qtopia repo now |
| 22:57.30 | Chocky | yes |
| 22:57.30 | pjz | feh, at least it has a keyboard that works by default |
| 22:57.31 | Dave | but chocky says it's bad news |
| 22:57.40 | Dave | and I am inclined to believe his skepticism. |
| 22:58.03 | Chocky | Dave: is that a way to avoid relying on your own first hand experience ;-) |
| 22:58.13 | Dave | maybe :P |
| 22:58.26 | Dave | that and, gooooooooooo chocky! |
| 22:58.33 | Dave | go team criticism! |
| 22:58.42 | Chocky | sir, yessir! |
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| 22:59.38 | ChaosEagle | good evening! ^^ |
| 23:00.37 | ChaosEagle | any news on the G3-SIM-issue? |
| 23:00.51 | Bubbi | hello all you nice ppl :) We are noooobs.. :P We've just got our freerunner, and now we're interested in getting the neo working :D |
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| 23:01.10 | Chocky | Bubbi: getting started guide on the wiki. |
| 23:01.21 | Yashy | Any developers here? When trying $ om-conf myapp # I'm getting: |
| 23:01.22 | Yashy | Makefile.am: required file `./NEWS' not found |
| 23:01.22 | Yashy | Makefile.am: required file `./ChangeLog' not found |
| 23:01.39 | Yashy | Any idea how to do --install-missing or ignore with om-conf? |
| 23:01.41 | Bubbi | Have any of you got any good advice to how the USB can get working.. We've read the getting started guide and something must have slipped our eyes.. please enlighten us |
| 23:01.57 | Chocky | Bubbi: not if you don't tell us any details, no. |
| 23:02.05 | Yashy | Bubbi: try this perhaps: http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner#USB_Networking_on_Ubuntu |
| 23:02.21 | mmaestri | cannot format sd card with mkfs.vfat. it says Illegal instruction |
| 23:02.34 | Chocky | please don't refer to random information not on the FR wiki. |
| 23:02.51 | Chocky | mmontour: hm, saw that easier this week from someone here. |
| 23:02.58 | Chocky | er, mmaestri |
| 23:03.13 | mmaestri | anyone has the ipk with a working mkfs.vfat ? |
| 23:03.28 | Chocky | I forget who had a fixed mkfs.vfat |
| 23:03.31 | Bubbi | We need to connect, from ubuntu, to the neo, and since we can't really use VI to edit a couple of files (no esc key on the neo!) it's quite difficult |
| 23:03.37 | mmaestri | i've installed dosfstools from the angstrom unstable |
| 23:03.43 | Chocky | Bubbi: opkg install nano |
| 23:03.47 | mmaestri | but that thing happens |
| 23:03.55 | Chocky | Bubbi: but you can ssh in |
| 23:04.01 | pjz | Bubbi: the Getting Started on the openmoko wiki is great, it has ubuntu-specific info |
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| 23:04.32 | Bubbi | Chocky: we want to use SSH, but we need to be able to connect the phone to ubuntu, and we can't really get that working |
| 23:04.52 | Chocky | Bubbi: again, I'm not going to guess, you need to say _exactly_ what doesn't work |
| 23:05.04 | Chocky | what doesn't work about the ssh connection? |
| 23:05.07 | Yashy | Bubbi: the only thing you should have to vi is /etc/network/interfaces on Ubuntu, nothing on the NF |
| 23:05.09 | niklauz | i thought additional freerunners were expected to be on sale today, did i miss them or something? |
| 23:05.15 | mmaestri | Bubbi: try ifdown usb0 and ifup usb0 |
| 23:05.33 | Chocky | never mind. people have "better" advice than me. I won't fight over the noise. |
| 23:05.44 | Chocky | facepalms Dave |
| 23:06.13 | mmaestri | ...fixed mkfs.vfat anyone? |
| 23:06.14 | lpotter | hmmm. flashing a tgz file doesnt work |
| 23:06.28 | Chocky | lpotter: uh oh, another one ;-) |
| 23:07.06 | Bubbi | oh well :P we're just gonna try all your great advices.. |
| 23:07.35 | Chocky | Bubbi: not much has been given, since we still don't know what your problem is |
| 23:07.37 | Yashy | Bubbi: the steps on hackepedia didn't work? |
| 23:07.56 | Chocky | Yashy: stop spamming us with the hackepedia stuff. The information should be on the OM wiki |
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| 23:08.18 | mmaestri | lpotter: you don't flash a tgz file |
| 23:08.27 | mmaestri | follow the steps on the wiki |
| 23:08.29 | lpotter | i did |
| 23:08.32 | lpotter | heh |
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| 23:08.50 | lpotter | yes, i am well aware of the flashing procedure |
| 23:08.50 | mmaestri | well...you shouldn't... |
| 23:08.59 | lpotter | i know that |
| 23:09.01 | Chocky | mmaestri: at worst, you could grap the armel debian package for mkfs.vfat |
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| 23:09.30 | mmaestri | Chocky: I'll try that |
| 23:09.56 | lpotter | shouldnt cat /dev/random > /dev/ts either, but I have done that |
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| 23:10.31 | SpeedEvil | wishes that worked. |
| 23:10.39 | SpeedEvil | touch feedback'd be nice. |
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| 23:12.07 | Dave | hmm? |
| 23:12.14 | Dave | it's lpotter! |
| 23:12.38 | Dave | get 'im! |
| 23:13.03 | Dave | yeah, you better, leinir... :p |
| 23:13.23 | Dave | tosses tortellini at leinir |
| 23:13.28 | leinirAWAY | purrrs and curls up around Dave's feet, in best cat-style, and watches him fall over ;) |
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| 23:13.58 | araujo | niklauz, yeah |
| 23:14.13 | araujo | niklauz, shipment scheduled for today ... nothing on store yet |
| 23:14.21 | Dave | bitch :P |
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| 23:14.34 | Yashy | Any good URLs for compiling applications for the NF? |
| 23:14.36 | leinirAWAY | So i'm told ;) |
| 23:14.40 | leinirAWAY | (and now i sleep) |
| 23:15.02 | Dave | truste |
| 23:16.20 | Bubbi | Yashy: i'm still working on the steps on the hackepedia :) so have patience :D |
| 23:16.48 | mmaestri | Chocky: it didn't complained, so I assume it worked |
| 23:16.50 | Chocky | yeah, I mean, just _ignore_ the actuall OpenMoko wiki. |
| 23:16.56 | Chocky | -l |
| 23:18.11 | mmaestri | and now I'm sure it worked...:p |
| 23:18.32 | Yashy | Bubbi: no worries, let us know how it goes. |
| 23:19.00 | lpotter | hmm it wasnt /dev/ts, it was /dev/fb :D |
| 23:19.37 | rivalarrival | don't ignore the openmoko wiki, FIX IT! |
| 23:19.41 | Chocky | Yashy: so, this is fantastic. Tell him to ignoring the OM wiki, without knowing _at all_ why what he is doing is wrong, purely to try and get people to use random information you made. |
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| 23:21.25 | tinita2 | good night and thanks for the help |
| 23:22.07 | ChaosEagle | Good night everyone... |
| 23:22.09 | ChaosEagle | *waves* |
| 23:22.24 | niklauz | araujo: o ok thx, do you have any idea how soon it will be purchasable via the website? |
| 23:22.27 | Yashy | rivalarrival: I don't ignore the openmoko wiki, I've contributed a lot to it, even though it gains me nothing. |
| 23:22.39 | Chocky | whoosh! |
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| 23:24.00 | Yashy | If OpenMoko want to hire me to do their documentation I'll send them my CV. |
| 23:24.24 | Chocky | so your attitude is to point them at _another_ wiki, which has unvetted information? |
| 23:24.28 | araujo | niklauz, no idea ... I keep checking :-] |
| 23:24.37 | kelvie_work | Yashy: send em your CV :p |
| 23:24.39 | kelvie_work | can't hurt |
| 23:24.47 | Chocky | _without_ even knowing what the problem is? |
| 23:26.02 | Yashy | kelvie_work: OK I won't send them my CV, but I will sign a mutually agreed upon contract :) |
| 23:26.09 | Chocky | I agree that the USB networking page is full of trash, but none of this justifies your actions |
| 23:26.24 | Yashy | kelvie_work: Most of the GTA02 WLAN page was me... |
| 23:26.33 | pjz | the USB networking page was perfect for me |
| 23:26.42 | pjz | hmm, I seem to have crashed qtopia |
| 23:27.02 | Chocky | having just reviewed it, there's lots of redundant information, and clearly incomplete parts |
| 23:27.16 | Chocky | stuff written in first person, and things that just shouldn't be there |
| 23:28.02 | pjz | anyone else have the tendency to hold the phone upside down because it's top heavy? |
| 23:28.38 | kelvie_work | Yashy: that's cool |
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| 23:28.46 | fuzzyt | pjz: ummm, no?!? :) |
| 23:28.51 | Chocky | there's a Ubuntu bit then a Debian bit for hotplugging, which are subtley different for no reason at all |
| 23:29.23 | pjz | fuzzyt: I'm willing to believe it's just me :) |
| 23:29.33 | fuzzyt | pjz: but there might be something on the wiki... ;) |
| 23:29.38 | Bubbi | Yashy: small problem here.. The hackepedia.org article was a bit confusing, remember i'm pretty new to this thing :) the "cat /etc/network/interfaces".. I should enter that in the ubuntu terminal, correct..? It just gives me the file content, containing this "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" |
| 23:29.55 | Chocky | Bubbi: like I said, please avoid unvetted material. |
| 23:30.09 | fuzzyt | since that seems to be the debate today. |
| 23:30.19 | Bubbi | Chocky: In what manner do you mean..+ unvetted material..? |
| 23:30.29 | Yashy | Bubbi: When you run "cat /etc/network/interfaces" it should look the same in your file. You might prefer to use "vi" to edit instead. |
| 23:30.35 | Chocky | that is a random wiki, which Yashy is trying to push cos he made it. Use the OM wiki, please |
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| 23:31.34 | Bubbi | Yashy: alright. |
| 23:31.37 | Yashy | Bubbi: I have Chocky on ignore, but I assume he is referring to the wiki that is currently easier to follow. Ask him who has vetted the wiki he prefers on this subject :) |
| 23:31.50 | Yashy | Actually don't, then you're playing into his trolling. |
| 23:32.18 | Chocky | Bubbi: he is ignoring me because I have corrected several mistakes he has made. The bottom line is, that if you follow his wiki, no one else here will be able to help you. |
| 23:32.26 | Chocky | but it's your choice. |
| 23:32.31 | Chocky | I've said enough. |
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| 23:37.01 | C7 | yibii bubble-keyboard is out ;) |
| 23:37.04 | C7 | https://www.bitbakery.org/trac/bubble-keyboard |
| 23:37.20 | C7 | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/1777a9d7d18c71c4a8fac876e7bbfc04.png |
| 23:37.31 | Bubbi | Well.. i'm "giving up" for now. I'll take a look at it tomorrow. Maybe all I need is a couple of fresh eyes on it tomorrow.. :D |
| 23:37.47 | Chocky | Bubbi: we still don't know what your problem was. |
| 23:38.39 | Bubbi | It was that I wanted to connect the neo to ubuntu through the usb0 interface, which keep giving me a timeout.. as if there is no connection to the neo |
| 23:38.54 | Chocky | yes, we never had any details |
| 23:38.55 | Yashy | Bubbi: That sucks :( I updated the page so it might be easier to understand, lemme know what your issues are and I'll see if I can help. |
| 23:39.13 | Bubbi | Chocky: that was it.. that WAS the details.. :D |
| 23:39.24 | Chocky | I think not, somehow |
| 23:39.33 | Chocky | I would have walked you through it. |
| 23:39.47 | Yashy | Bubbi: If you run the commands in the "If that worked," section, do you see the same results? |
| 23:40.33 | Bubbi | Chocky and Yashy: don't think about it any more.. :) I'm going to bed now.. it' salmost 2 am and i'm definitely tired right now.. :D |
| 23:41.08 | Yashy | wow, Chocky was being helpful? :) |
| 23:41.13 | Yashy | (my own little troll) |
| 23:41.19 | Yashy | no worries, cheers! |
| 23:41.19 | Chocky | sad, pathetic, little man |
| 23:41.33 | johngay | Can anyone help me with my little problem? |
| 23:41.53 | Chocky | johncylee: yeah, I'll just point you to a random wiki with unhelpful information :o |
| 23:41.58 | Chocky | we, johngay |
| 23:41.59 | Chocky | er |
| 23:42.33 | johngay | I'm about $300 short of being able to afford a FreeRunner right now. |
| 23:42.41 | Chocky | work as a stripper. |
| 23:42.49 | Chocky | deliver pizza. |
| 23:42.54 | Chocky | um. |
| 23:43.02 | Chocky | use a credit card. |
| 23:44.25 | johngay | I'm about 100 pounds too heavy and the wrong sex for #1 and I don't have any credit history. But I tried #2 about 20 years ago in Hawaii. That was quite fun. Might give that another whirl. |
| 23:44.55 | Chocky | gay stripper in Reno |
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| 23:45.20 | Yashy | Anyone have a good URL for compiling applications for the NF? |
| 23:45.34 | Chocky | Yashy: not on your wiki? aw, shame. |
| 23:45.37 | johngay | Suppose I could go down to Miami. I hear there into that sort of thing. |
| 23:45.53 | Yashy | I tried http://andreasdalsgaard.blogspot.com/ but it seems to be specific to applications already in the tree |
| 23:46.47 | Yashy | the openmoko wiki pages on the matter need some serious work |
| 23:47.06 | Chocky | johngay: so, was there some question? |
| 23:48.08 | johngay | Try http://cross-lfs.org/ Yashy |
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| 23:49.16 | johngay | Chocky, sorry, but being $300 short is my current problem. Just thought I'd throw that out and see if anyone wanted to make a donation (= |
| 23:51.17 | Yashy | johngay: doesn't appear to support the proper hardware? |
| 23:51.31 | Yashy | http://cross-lfs.org/view/1.0.0/ |
| 23:52.21 | Yashy | If someone writes a simple to follow page on the steps, I will use it :) |
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| 23:57.39 | johngay | http://cross-lfs.org/view/clfs-embedded/ should contain enough info for building your own. Just apply your guru skills to mould to your needs. |
