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| 00:03.46 | kelvie_work | is it just me? or is the enlightenment cvs server always down? |
| 00:09.07 | uzytkownik | When the software fix for GPS will be avaible? |
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| 00:13.55 | Andre613 | has anyone had any luck getting wifi (wpa) to work in Qtopia? |
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| 00:14.49 | Elleo | uzytkownik: it's already available in the latest kernel |
| 00:15.34 | Elleo | at least the powering down of the sd controller in idle is, I'm not sure if switching it to drive mode 0 by default is done yet |
| 00:15.48 | Elleo | or if it's actually going to be done or not |
| 00:16.33 | uzytkownik | Elleo: 2.6.24+git24+be0f111b3d1570dec174ff301d08bad995ccf1e6-r0 is new enough? |
| 00:17.05 | uzytkownik | If yes how to set it up (or if this is ok why GPS do not work) |
| 00:18.19 | Elleo | uzytkownik: that's today's kernel isn't it? |
| 00:18.29 | Elleo | if so it's new enough, the patch was introduced a few days ago |
| 00:18.41 | uzytkownik | Yes |
| 00:18.46 | Elleo | install openmoko-agpsui and try getting a fix |
| 00:19.07 | uzytkownik | agpsui gets fails only |
| 00:19.15 | Elleo | are you trying this outside? |
| 00:19.46 | Elleo | because GPS doesn't generally work terribly well within buildings |
| 00:20.03 | uzytkownik | It might be a problem |
| 00:20.10 | Elleo | it can usually manage once the first fix is acquired, but for the first fix y ou need a fairly decent signal |
| 00:20.19 | Elleo | so need to be outside |
| 00:20.23 | Elleo | or at least near a window |
| 00:20.33 | Elleo | but outside would be preferable |
| 00:20.53 | uzytkownik | As it is 2:20 AM here I'll try tomorrow morning (but I'm a meter from window on the top floor) |
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| 00:22.31 | Elleo | a meter from a window isn't likely to be good enough, you'd need to be standing right next to the window to get any reasonable enough amount of sky to hope to have some satellites in view |
| 00:22.45 | Elleo | but trying outside would definitely be better |
| 00:23.09 | uzytkownik | Elleo: Ok. I was afraid something is broken (well - more deeply than it is) |
| 00:23.24 | uzytkownik | I'll try tomorrow |
| 00:23.28 | Elleo | good luck :) |
| 00:23.48 | uzytkownik | Thanks. Good bye |
| 00:26.57 | biovore | Anyone have any luck with the wifi and wep on the stock image "2008424-om-gta02" |
| 00:27.11 | biovore | I tried everything on the wiki, but still not having any luck. |
| 00:27.28 | biovore | my ap shows up when I do a iwlist eth0 scan |
| 00:27.43 | biovore | my linux laptop can connect to it just fine.. |
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| 00:28.12 | biovore | iwconfig shows the correct encryption key as well.. |
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| 00:59.25 | Sargun_screen | heya |
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| 01:02.28 | AntonTakk | hi |
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| 01:04.27 | wastrel | hi |
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| 01:05.34 | Stroller | yo, homies |
| 01:06.41 | AntonTakk | anyone know of a way to restart a defunct phone-kit? |
| 01:08.35 | Stroller | plz elaborate |
| 01:08.44 | Sargun_screen | Is OM2007.2 going to be dumped? |
| 01:09.03 | Stroller | I believe eventually |
| 01:09.13 | AntonTakk | well, it seems the reason I can't make/receive calls or sms with 2007.2 is because phone-kit is becoming a zombie |
| 01:09.19 | Stroller | Ah, I see |
| 01:09.26 | Sargun_screen | What would be the best platform to develop on? |
| 01:10.09 | AntonTakk | which, with a bit more checking, i found that my mom's sim works fine with 2007.2, while mine only works with ASU and posibly FSO |
| 01:10.14 | Stroller | So if you reboot the phone, AntonTakk, does it work? Or does the process become zombie again? |
| 01:10.22 | AntonTakk | zombie's again |
| 01:10.29 | Stroller | Interesting |
| 01:10.35 | AntonTakk | but it seems to be a software bug effected by sim |
| 01:10.47 | Stroller | Sargun_screen: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 01:10.50 | AntonTakk | since both sims work, just not with the same images |
| 01:10.57 | russellb | Sargun_screen: yeah ... the #1 question for new developers, without a clear answer ... it's disappointing. |
| 01:11.32 | AntonTakk | Sargun_screen: i'd say it depends on what kind of time frame you are looking at for development |
| 01:11.32 | Stroller | AntonTakk: my Freerunner isn't up & running right now, but isn't it some script in /etc/init.d ? |
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| 01:11.55 | Stroller | russellb: what makes you say the answer is unclear? |
| 01:12.09 | AntonTakk | Stroller: no, it seems to be started by...one sec, let me look |
| 01:12.19 | russellb | Stroller: development is a bit fragmented from my newcomer point of view :) |
| 01:12.21 | Stroller | Remember that 2007.2, ASU, FSO are all builds off Openembedded |
| 01:13.35 | Stroller | russellb: AIUI there's no development on 2007.2, ASU is "stable" and FSO is "unstable". It's pretty much as simple as that |
| 01:14.36 | Elleo | I would say FSO is unstable exactly, FSO is just a demo of the freesmartphone.org standards, it'd probably be more reasonable to say that SHR is "unstable" (or will be) |
| 01:14.45 | Elleo | wouldn't say* |
| 01:15.00 | russellb | ASU, not yet "released", is the "stable" release? |
| 01:15.06 | Stroller | I'll agree that it's no obvious |
| 01:15.13 | Elleo | and ASU is pretty unstable |
| 01:15.21 | russellb | Elleo: that has been my experience .. |
| 01:15.29 | Stroller | Well, that was a big generalisation |
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| 01:15.42 | Elleo | but if you're developing something that isn't a core application it doesn't really matter too much what you target |
| 01:15.49 | Elleo | since your app will run on any of them |
| 01:15.50 | Stroller | But the impression I have is that this is pretty much what they're working towards |
| 01:16.18 | Elleo | if you're doing something that requires integration with e.g. contacts, or the dailer, or similar then it might be best to make it work with FSO |
| 01:16.24 | AntonTakk | Stroller: it appears neod starts phone-kit |
| 01:16.39 | Elleo | since I believe the standards being defined by that are the way the project is moving for that sort of thing |
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| 01:17.58 | Sargun_screen | What's preventing ASU from shipping? |
| 01:18.17 | Sargun_screen | FSO is the "Alpha, but blue sky" stack, right? |
| 01:18.22 | Elleo | it's still undergoing heavy development |
| 01:18.47 | Elleo | FSO is just a demo stack for the freesmartphone.org standards |
| 01:19.09 | Elleo | it's supposed to be very stable |
| 01:19.12 | Elleo | it just doesn't do very much |
| 01:19.18 | Sargun_screen | Elleo: so, FSO isn't designed for production? |
| 01:19.31 | Elleo | it's pretty much just a dialer |
| 01:19.50 | Sargun_screen | Ok. |
| 01:20.00 | Elleo | not really, the FSO standards will be integrated in to the SHR release |
| 01:20.36 | Elleo | at the moment 2007.2 probably gives the best balance of stability and functionality if you want something that just works |
| 01:20.51 | Sargun_screen | Elleo: but basically everything will be dropped and FSO will be the ultimate end behaviour |
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| 01:21.15 | Sargun_screen | Elleo: After some amount of time. |
| 01:21.17 | Elleo | ASU's gradually getting there (I use it for my phone now) but you have to be willing to occassionally fix stuff |
| 01:21.40 | Elleo | it's not so much that the existing dialers will be dropped I don't think |
| 01:22.11 | Elleo | more that they'll incorporate the FSO standards |
| 01:22.40 | Elleo | SHR is the end target |
| 01:23.08 | AntonTakk | shr is asu+fso, or gtk+fso? |
| 01:23.22 | AntonTakk | er |
| 01:23.27 | AntonTakk | 2007.2+fso |
| 01:23.54 | Sargun_screen | hm, I'll develop on FSO, or I'll contribute to FSO |
| 01:24.08 | Chocky | h |
| 01:24.09 | Chocky | m |
| 01:24.18 | Chocky | also considering where to contribute |
| 01:24.28 | AntonTakk | Sargun_screen: asu is going to be the first "consumer" software stack, but fso will eventually replace it |
| 01:24.32 | Elleo | SHR is ASU+GTK+FSO, but you have to realise that by FSO they don't mean the current distriution labelled FSO, they mean the standards FSO represents |
| 01:24.50 | Elleo | FSO == freesmartphone.org |
| 01:24.54 | AntonTakk | Elleo: right |
| 01:24.55 | Elleo | which defines an API |
| 01:25.03 | Elleo | the FSO distro is just a demo of that API |
| 01:25.05 | Chocky | indeed, high standards and expectations :o |
| 01:25.24 | Elleo | that API will eventually be implemented by whatever dialer, messaging, etc. ends up in SHR |
| 01:25.30 | Sargun_screen | Wow. |
| 01:25.31 | Chocky | almost better to get in at ground floor of development |
| 01:25.31 | AntonTakk | which is the main thing being developed on fso, is the dbus api implementation and the back-end services/etc |
| 01:25.39 | Elleo | but it may well not be the dialer that's implemented in the FSO distro |
| 01:25.50 | Sargun_screen | Wait, for FSO, are all the servers seperate processers? |
| 01:25.53 | Sargun_screen | processes |
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| 01:26.22 | AntonTakk | Sargun_screen: well, as I see it, there is no reason to combine say gsmd and gpsd |
| 01:26.53 | Chocky | and neod does some rather disparate things, AFACIS |
| 01:26.58 | Chocky | AFAICS |
| 01:26.59 | AntonTakk | so I would certainly thing think there would be some separation of duties on the back end |
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| 01:32.33 | Chocky | moo. |
| 01:35.44 | Dave | moo. |
| 01:35.58 | Chocky | d. |
| 01:37.07 | russellb | meepmeep |
| 01:37.45 | Dave | c. |
| 01:42.14 | Chocky | Friday yet? |
| 01:42.21 | Toaster`_ | awesome! usb, wifi, gps work! Not so awesome, SMS and cell doesn't seem to :/ |
| 01:42.29 | Chocky | aw. |
| 01:44.51 | Toaster`_ | It detects the SIM no problem, and it even had the network once... but nothing now |
| 01:45.29 | Toaster`_ | TTFF for GPS was 33s as well, SD card in. |
| 01:45.32 | Chocky | sounds like a bug. |
| 01:46.23 | Toaster`_ | maybe, I'll keep poking at it |
| 01:47.37 | dejones | Anyone know which package contains the icons for the openmoko applications such as the Dialer? I'm just seeing X's and not the icons... |
| 01:47.56 | Chocky | see the getting started guide. there's some extra stuff you need. |
| 01:48.04 | Chocky | and your , key is stuck ;-) |
| 01:48.08 | Chocky | er, . key |
| 01:48.13 | dejones | me? |
| 01:48.17 | Chocky | yes. |
| 01:48.32 | Chocky | you, DeDavy Jones |
| 01:48.44 | dejones | hehe. what do you mean my key is stuc? |
| 01:48.47 | dejones | * stuck |
| 01:48.57 | Chocky | Well, you typed 3 of them instead of 1. |
| 01:49.22 | Dave | Who, whast? |
| 01:49.27 | Chocky | moose! |
| 01:49.58 | dejones | I typed 3 of what...? |
| 01:50.04 | dejones | Oh, .'s ? |
| 01:50.05 | dejones | hehe |
| 01:50.06 | russellb | there is nothing wrong with that ... |
| 01:50.28 | Chocky | uh huh. |
| 01:50.40 | dejones | :P |
| 01:50.54 | dejones | I reinstalled gpe-icons and didn't fix it. |
| 01:51.25 | Chocky | well anyway, my advice remains. Although I think that's mainly relevant to the media player. |
| 01:51.53 | dejones | I just read gpe-icons as a possible package on Getting Started wiki page. |
| 01:54.43 | dejones | Any other suggestions on packages? |
| 01:54.44 | dejones | :) |
| 01:56.23 | chillywilly | lalala |
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| 01:59.16 | dejones | So, no one knows which package contains the icons? |
| 01:59.24 | dejones | I'm just seeing X's instead of the icons. |
| 01:59.33 | Dave | chilly! |
| 01:59.41 | Chocky | I wasn't referring to any package, but an explicit download on the getting started page |
| 02:03.29 | dejones | Chocky: Are you talking about the mediaplayer download? I don't need the mediaplayer download, but I need the to know the package for the default icons for openmoko. |
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| 02:03.37 | aggtrfrad | nice my sweety is shipped allready |
| 02:03.43 | aggtrfrad | i ordered yesterday |
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| 02:07.13 | prjktdtnt | From those who have ordered the freerunner, is the real phone any faster than the QEMU image? my laptop is pretty quick and this is still awfully slow |
| 02:07.18 | Toaster`_ | Which is the best build for using the FR as a phone? I need to see if I have software or a SIM issue |
| 02:08.10 | nullpuppy | prjktdtnt: yes, the phone is typically MUCH faster then qemu |
| 02:08.18 | Stroller | prjktdtnt: it's a little slow, but it doesn't matter because the functionality at present is so basic. :P |
| 02:08.29 | nullpuppy | there have been some slow builds, but its getting better |
| 02:08.52 | prjktdtnt | nullpuppy: thank heaven. if the real phone was as slow as QEMU I would be looking at a different phone and not even drooling over this one anymore |
| 02:09.01 | prjktdtnt | stroller: thanks for the info also :) |
| 02:09.03 | nullpuppy | yeah, no kidding |
| 02:09.34 | prjktdtnt | I've been drooling since I first found out about the 1973 but haven't had the money, which i still don't but I'm trying to save as fast as I can |
| 02:09.35 | ozzloy | Toaster`_: look at the sim card. does it say "3G" on it anywhere? |
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| 02:10.28 | ozzloy | Toaster`_: if so, you're going to have to get a different sim, or wait for legal things to be worked out |
| 02:10.42 | nullpuppy | prjktdtnt: same here. only reason i didn't get the 1973 was i heard the freerunner was gonna have wifi and thought it was gonna be released sooner then it was. |
| 02:10.59 | nullpuppy | the fr isn't the best phone in the world, but overall i'm happy with it. |
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| 02:11.14 | prjktdtnt | nullpuppy: i do like the added features of the freerunner for sure. I just need to be able, for now anyway, to call people and send SMS |
| 02:11.19 | nullpuppy | looking forward to the next one, but glad i bought it anyways |
| 02:11.25 | prjktdtnt | if the FR can do those two things then I'm sold |
| 02:11.33 | nullpuppy | prjktdtnt: yup, those two things are very possible. |
| 02:11.48 | nullpuppy | battery life still pretty much sucks, but the qtopia.net image is decent |
| 02:11.49 | chillywilly | what's the next phone going to be like? |
| 02:11.53 | nullpuppy | just dont' get much else |
| 02:12.12 | chillywilly | my battery life has improved with qtopia.net as they are including the mwester patch |
| 02:12.13 | nullpuppy | chillywilly: bigger, better, faster? not sure exactly |
| 02:12.19 | prjktdtnt | awesome. I intend to eventually use it to remote-administer linux servers as finding a hotspot for my laptop is rather annoying |
| 02:12.28 | nullpuppy | supposed to have a camera iirc |
| 02:12.31 | Toaster`_ | ozzloy: Nope, no 3G, but I can pop in to the store and see about trying another one. |
| 02:12.34 | chillywilly | I'd like a slide out keyboard and a stylus holder...that's all really |
| 02:12.44 | nullpuppy | chillywilly: awesome, qtopia alseo seems to suspend better |
| 02:12.44 | chillywilly | I like the phone the way it is for the most part |
| 02:12.50 | chillywilly | yes, it does |
| 02:13.13 | nullpuppy | yeah, keyboard and stylus holder would be awesome |
| 02:13.29 | nullpuppy | probably won't see that until gta04 or 05 though ;) |
| 02:14.28 | chillywilly | yea...I am kind of jealous of those at work who have windows mobile phone with full slide out keyboards and a stylus w/ holder slot in the case |
| 02:14.41 | chillywilly | bastids ;) |
| 02:14.43 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 02:14.56 | nullpuppy | chillywilly: yeah, but windows mobile kills it for me |
| 02:15.02 | chillywilly | yes |
| 02:15.44 | chillywilly | qtopia has its limitations as well |
| 02:15.55 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 02:15.57 | chillywilly | can't install and run any X apps |
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| 02:16.10 | Toaster`_ | where are SMS messages stored on the phone? |
| 02:16.12 | ozzloy | Toaster`_: hmm |
| 02:16.14 | nullpuppy | qtopia has pretty good potential at bridging the gap at least for general purpose |
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| 02:16.30 | nullpuppy | Toaster`_: i have no idea. that is an incredibly good question |
| 02:16.35 | SirBob1701 | wassssuppppy |
| 02:16.38 | chillywilly | the FSO screenshots look nice even if it is a "test" UI |
| 02:16.48 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 02:16.54 | nullpuppy | i like the not yet implemented buttons |
| 02:18.12 | SirBob1701 | is there a specific mailing list for asu developers? |
| 02:18.15 | Toaster`_ | I initially thought they were on the SIM, but it's now out and there is still a "One new message" indicator, and I want to see if there is null message somewhere there shouldn't be. |
| 02:18.58 | nullpuppy | Toaster`_: yeah, if they were stored on the sim i'd think the several taht were still on my razr would show up there |
| 02:18.59 | chillywilly | I wonder if I can figure out how to tansfer my old contacts to my SIM so I can have them available on qtopia |
| 02:19.09 | chillywilly | from my old phone that is |
| 02:19.26 | nullpuppy | chillywilly: should be an option in the contacts list to select where they're are stored |
| 02:19.38 | nullpuppy | will probably have to change each one individually though |
| 02:20.54 | SirBob1701 | is there anything special needed to get tangogps to work in asu? |
| 02:21.12 | nullpuppy | SirBob1701: gtk? |
| 02:21.22 | nullpuppy | i think thats the major portion of the puzzle. |
| 02:21.29 | nullpuppy | beyond that, i'm not sure |
| 02:21.34 | SirBob1701 | its in. needed to make a special .desktop for it. i mean it just doesn't appear to see gpsd |
| 02:21.46 | nullpuppy | is gpsd running? |
| 02:21.51 | nullpuppy | or installed at all for that matter? |
| 02:21.58 | SirBob1701 | ya i have a lock with agpsui |
| 02:22.02 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 02:22.03 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 02:22.13 | nullpuppy | tried gpspipe? |
| 02:22.15 | SirBob1701 | i did the /dev/default/gpsd too |
| 02:22.22 | SirBob1701 | gpspipe? |
| 02:22.34 | prjktdtnt | anyone know how to flash qemu with the qtopia images? |
| 02:22.37 | nullpuppy | opkg install gps-utils ; gpspipe -r 127.0.0.1 2947 |
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| 02:22.45 | Dave | heh |
| 02:22.52 | nullpuppy | that should give you the same output as the log tab in agpsui |
| 02:23.03 | SirBob1701 | ok nullpuppy i'll try it thanks |
| 02:23.08 | nullpuppy | no prob |
| 02:23.17 | prjktdtnt | i can use openmoko image in qemu but haven't found instructions on qtopia in qemu |
| 02:23.51 | nullpuppy | prjktdtnt: you need to change the config file for qemu |
| 02:24.01 | nullpuppy | can't remember where it is offhand, one moment |
| 02:24.07 | prjktdtnt | is there a wiki page for it yet? |
| 02:24.29 | SirBob1701 | gpspipe: could not connect to gpsd 127.0.0.1:2947, Connection refused(111) |
| 02:24.47 | nullpuppy | SirBob1701: ok. try /etc/init.d/gpsd start |
| 02:24.52 | SirBob1701 | ok |
| 02:25.24 | nullpuppy | prjktdtnt: build/qemu/openmoko/env |
| 02:25.31 | SirBob1701 | still get the refused |
| 02:25.58 | nullpuppy | that file has the info on what stuff to use when flashing it. then i think you just need to make sure the packages are in the right directory and run flash.sh |
| 02:26.06 | nullpuppy | SirBob1701: hmm |
| 02:26.19 | nullpuppy | SirBob1701: cat /dev/ttySAC1 ? |
| 02:26.51 | SirBob1701 | nullpuppy: ya its pumping out gps data |
| 02:27.04 | nullpuppy | huh. wtf then |
| 02:27.09 | SirBob1701 | hmm |
| 02:27.20 | nullpuppy | wonders if gpsd has other dependancies or something |
| 02:27.29 | nullpuppy | what do you have in /etc/defaults/gpsd? |
| 02:27.38 | prjktdtnt | nullpuppy: I'm still trying to get the hang of things with QEMU yet so reading that file looks a little bit like greek to me lol |
| 02:27.45 | SirBob1701 | i'm suppose to ahve /dev/default/gpsd with GPS_DEV="/etc/ttySAC1" right |
| 02:27.59 | nullpuppy | prjktdtnt: hehe, yeah, i only messed with it a little bit. |
| 02:28.06 | nullpuppy | SirBob1701: yeah, that looks right. |
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| 02:32.27 | chillywilly | do you update the u-boot from the NOR flash as well? |
| 02:32.35 | chillywilly | via dfu-util |
| 02:32.36 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 02:32.41 | nullpuppy | only the nand uboot though |
| 02:32.48 | chillywilly | right |
| 02:33.00 | chillywilly | well I have a debug board but I don't want a crash course in it ;) |
| 02:33.30 | SirBob1701 | nullpuppy: huh reeboot worked |
| 02:33.39 | nullpuppy | SirBob1701: woot |
| 02:33.40 | nullpuppy | wierd |
| 02:33.48 | SirBob1701 | very |
| 02:33.58 | nullpuppy | chillywilly: even if you fsck it up, you can fix it without the dboard |
| 02:34.07 | nullpuppy | the NOR is a failsafe fall back |
| 02:34.23 | nullpuppy | therefor you can't brick it without the dboard ;) |
| 02:34.34 | chillywilly | I know, but I don't want to learn how to use the debug board just because I broke something ;) |
| 02:34.43 | nullpuppy | nods |
| 02:34.48 | chillywilly | so I want be screwing with the NOR |
| 02:34.48 | nullpuppy | but you won't have to ;) |
| 02:34.52 | nullpuppy | thats the beauty of it |
| 02:35.31 | chillywilly | won't |
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| 02:36.28 | nullpuppy | chillywilly: btw, i swear i recognize your nick from somewhere.. did you hang out in #fnr/#wopn/#freematrix many years ago? |
| 02:36.55 | chillywilly | yea all except #freematrix |
| 02:37.01 | nullpuppy | alright, awesome. |
| 02:37.03 | chillywilly | never heard of that channel |
| 02:37.22 | nullpuppy | #freematrix was the last attempt at keeping the project alive |
| 02:37.40 | chillywilly | oh |
| 02:38.24 | chillywilly | I did a recording with my son and they played it on the air one time |
| 02:38.31 | nullpuppy | awesome :) |
| 02:38.49 | Dave | chillypuppy |
| 02:39.21 | nullpuppy | ? |
| 02:39.25 | chillywilly | it was basically a "...and you're listening to freenode radio" type plug |
| 02:39.31 | nullpuppy | cool |
| 02:39.36 | nite613 | Is the NOR memory on the freerunner hardwired to be read-only no matter what? |
| 02:39.38 | Dave | hah |
| 02:39.56 | nullpuppy | nite613: not that i know of, but only modifiable with the dboard |
| 02:40.03 | chillywilly | I wonder if I still have that audio file around some where |
| 02:40.10 | nite613 | and does anyone know a stack/software combo to get wifi + SIP? |
| 02:40.37 | nullpuppy | hmm. i might. i had all that stuff at one point, not sure what i had that was left over form fnr though |
| 02:40.41 | Toaster`_ | Interesting; I can receive sms texts from my carriers website, but I can't make/receive sms texts or phone calls |
| 02:42.57 | Sonicadvance1 | I blame gang violence |
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| 02:43.48 | jtickle | yo... anyone around? |
| 02:44.20 | jtickle | trying ASU for the first time today |
| 02:44.31 | jtickle | nice to see something actually using the awesome E17 |
| 02:47.32 | jtickle | any idea why I don't have he "qwerty" button in today's build? |
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| 02:48.02 | SirBob1701 | jtickle: they took it out |
| 02:48.15 | SirBob1701 | jtickle: but didn't get the pop up fully working |
| 02:48.38 | SirBob1701 | you can renenable that button if you look in mailing list. but i wasn't happy with the build's stability |
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| 02:49.06 | nullpuppy | anyone here gotten invisible shields? |
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| 02:50.00 | jtickle | ah, thanks |
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| 02:50.13 | jtickle | I'm pretty new to the community... where are the mailing lists? |
| 02:50.21 | jtickle | oh |
| 02:50.22 | jtickle | google |
| 02:50.23 | cjb | lists.openmoko.org |
| 02:50.24 | jtickle | never mind lol |
| 02:50.24 | SirBob1701 | lists.openmoko.org |
| 02:50.26 | jtickle | thanks |
| 02:50.28 | SirBob1701 | r google lol |
| 02:51.26 | SirBob1701 | i really need a book on ui design lol |
| 02:53.34 | sparrow | Hey folks, does anyone know of an easy way to preload a groups of map for a city via tangoGPS? |
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| 02:53.58 | cjb | yes. |
| 02:54.01 | Toaster`_ | sparrow: just center on the area, click and select download map |
| 02:54.14 | cjb | tap once on the screen with the city in view, and 'map download' |
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| 02:56.09 | Dave | whee |
| 02:57.01 | jtickle | oh yeah |
| 02:57.19 | jtickle | is there some theme pack I can install (or something like that) so that tangogps is usable on ASU? |
| 02:57.26 | jtickle | I was pretty impressed with it on the stock image |
| 02:57.42 | lymeca | So can OpenMoko support MMS as well as SMS service? |
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| 03:00.18 | Stroller | lymeca: not at present, I don't think. I don't think it's a priority |
| 03:00.36 | lymeca | Just curious |
| 03:00.41 | lymeca | SMS is supported though, correct? |
| 03:00.49 | Stroller | jtickle: in what way is TangoGPS deficient on ASU? |
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| 03:03.11 | nite613 | Anyone here involved with Tumay (or any other voip application)? |
| 03:04.00 | jtickle | Stroller, to put it in a basic and somewhat noobish way, the buttons are too big |
| 03:04.12 | Stroller | I see |
| 03:04.26 | jtickle | there's a zoom in button but no zoom out because it just cant' fit, and the buttons on the bottom are awfl |
| 03:04.30 | jtickle | let me see if I can grab a screen shot |
| 03:04.39 | Stroller | It's odd, I'd have thought they were the same .pkg on both |
| 03:04.56 | jtickle | they are, but I don't think there is any theming on the gtk toolkit in asu |
| 03:05.04 | jtickle | the buttons look like stock gtk |
| 03:05.29 | jtickle | also, I get a lot of dbus errors on startup, but that doesn't seem to be negatively affecting anything |
| 03:05.53 | jtickle | also also, I don't know how to actually add tangogps to the main applications list, although honestly I haven't spent much time looking into that |
| 03:06.00 | SirBob1701 | jtickle: you can add gtk-engine and gtk-theme then make a .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 03:06.07 | SirBob1701 | then you will get the theme |
| 03:06.17 | jtickle | SirBob1701, cool, thanks! |
| 03:06.33 | SirBob1701 | does exposure work for anyone? |
| 03:06.43 | jtickle | hopefully that will be added at some point... I think whatever engine and theme are used for the stock image would fit in fine |
| 03:06.49 | jtickle | SirBob1701, not for me, what is it supposed to do? |
| 03:07.00 | SirBob1701 | no idea lol |
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| 03:07.26 | jtickle | heh |
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| 03:09.13 | jtickle | oh also, I vote to add "alias 'ls'='ls --color'" to /etc/profile by default :-P |
| 03:09.22 | AntonTakk | jtickle: install the normal gtk theme and set the font size in .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 03:09.58 | Stroller | jtickle: AntonTakk any chance one of you guys could put that one the wiki? You'll probably need to start a new page |
| 03:10.51 | AntonTakk | Stroller: sure, soon as my fr finishes flashing my backup so I can get the settings I used :) |
| 03:10.57 | Stroller | TY |
| 03:10.58 | jtickle | heh :-) |
| 03:11.09 | AntonTakk | failed the first attempt :( |
| 03:12.39 | AntonTakk | Stroller: happen to know where i can change the asu ring tone? |
| 03:14.00 | AntonTakk | figures start an asu tips/hints/etc page |
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| 03:15.41 | AntonTakk | i just wish the asu apps were faster :) |
| 03:15.54 | Stroller | I'd put it on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_FAQ in the first instance. If you have enough then it can be moved to a new page |
| 03:16.15 | Stroller | I know ASU ringtone has been discussed |
| 03:19.27 | AntonTakk | know which list? |
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| 03:21.00 | Stroller | Hmmmn... |
| 03:21.06 | Stroller | I think it might've been on here |
| 03:21.08 | jtickle | AntonTakk, http://www.freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21&p=2960 |
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| 03:21.23 | Stroller | Goole "ASU ringtone" just brings SEO spam |
| 03:21.37 | jtickle | AntonTakk, I'm looking at step 3 there |
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| 03:21.56 | jtickle | and trying it out |
| 03:22.06 | Dave | :D |
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| 03:24.13 | AntonTakk | well - in case this flash fails, anyone know off the top of their head what fs the asu image is? ext2/3? |
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| 03:24.32 | jtickle | should be jffs2? |
| 03:24.37 | orzo | anyone got a howto for me on splicing usb cables? |
| 03:24.42 | jtickle | ah woot |
| 03:24.43 | AntonTakk | ... |
| 03:25.05 | AntonTakk | i figured that was an acronym, never heard of jffs, or jffs2 |
| 03:25.25 | jtickle | it's an unusual filesystem |
| 03:25.44 | jtickle | as I understand it, it's designed specially for flash |
| 03:26.02 | jtickle | so the reads and writes are spaced out evenly, so that hopefully your flash will last longer |
| 03:26.08 | AntonTakk | hopefully it's worth the trouble :) |
| 03:26.16 | jtickle | indeed |
| 03:26.26 | jtickle | anyway, I think I have it working |
| 03:26.39 | jtickle | opkg install moko-gtk-theme moko-gtk-engine |
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| 03:26.52 | AntonTakk | yeah, but the fonts will still be hueg :) |
| 03:26.56 | jtickle | ln -s /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc /home/root/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 03:26.57 | jtickle | and then |
| 03:26.58 | jtickle | yeah |
| 03:27.04 | jtickle | add this line to /usr/share/blah/blah/gtkrc: |
| 03:27.15 | jtickle | gtk-font-name = "Sans 4" |
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| 03:27.18 | jtickle | that absolutely does it |
| 03:27.22 | AntonTakk | yeah, that;s it |
| 03:27.23 | jtickle | I'm looking at a beautiful TangoGPS right now |
| 03:27.30 | jtickle | :-D |
| 03:27.49 | AntonTakk | looks even better than on 2007.2, cause the text doesn't run over :) |
| 03:27.56 | jtickle | heh yeah... |
| 03:28.02 | AntonTakk | esp in openmoko-agpsui |
| 03:28.17 | jtickle | now, next issue, how to add this to the main applications list |
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| 03:29.00 | AntonTakk | ah, i ended up doinf cp diversity.desktop tangogps2.desktop and editing tangogps2.desktop :) |
| 03:29.14 | jtickle | haha, fair enough! |
| 03:29.37 | railer | jtickle screen shot? |
| 03:30.10 | jtickle | railer, sure......... how do you take a screenshot in asu? |
| 03:30.24 | jtickle | AntonTakk, are you doing that wiki page? |
| 03:30.32 | railer | I have no idea, only used 2007.2 |
| 03:30.34 | AntonTakk | first you install the screen shot app from 2007.2, then.....hehe |
| 03:30.37 | Dave | Railer! |
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| 03:30.49 | railer | try aux button? |
| 03:30.59 | railer | hey dave |
| 03:31.11 | AntonTakk | jtickle: i can, but i'm busy praying for my backup to flash :) |
| 03:31.21 | Dave | :) |
| 03:31.23 | railer | Was up today Dave |
| 03:31.33 | Dave | busy as a mf |
| 03:31.38 | Dave | tired as a mofo now |
| 03:31.40 | Dave | :p |
| 03:31.46 | Dave | and a bit wet |
| 03:32.00 | Dave | freakin' lollercanes |
| 03:32.03 | railer | no kidding, up to 5 am last night marking papers |
| 03:32.12 | Dave | lollertornados |
| 03:32.15 | Dave | roflhail |
| 03:32.20 | Dave | lmaostorms |
| 03:32.45 | jtickle | AntonTakk, I'll take care of it then... where should I put it? |
| 03:33.02 | railer | I have no idea what the hell you are talking about, you know that right |
| 03:33.14 | AntonTakk | jtickle: i think Stroller is right, just add an asu section to getting started |
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| 03:33.24 | jtickle | ok |
| 03:33.57 | railer | any one in Texas? |
| 03:34.02 | Dave | yeehaw? |
| 03:34.02 | Stroller | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_FAQ |
| 03:34.26 | railer | dave you in texas? |
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| 03:36.09 | Dave | hell no |
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| 03:36.16 | railer | no Dave's in NJ |
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| 03:36.31 | Dave | most of the time, anyway |
| 03:36.48 | Dave | railer, did you just reply to yourself? |
| 03:36.55 | Dave | o.O |
| 03:36.58 | railer | Bro just left NJ for seattle |
| 03:37.08 | Dave | seems like you just had a conversation with yourself :) |
| 03:37.09 | Dave | oh well |
| 03:37.50 | Stroller | LOL: http://baltimore.craigslist.org/ele/767625208.html |
| 03:37.53 | railer | Well Dave you were responding slow so I answered my question for you |
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| 03:38.40 | Dave | :D |
| 03:39.03 | railer | just trying to help, after all you are from NJ |
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| 03:39.37 | jtickle | Stroller, what's the best way to represent stuff typed at a terminal in the wiki? some sort of {{ }} block or <pre>? |
| 03:39.45 | Stroller | <tt> |
| 03:39.50 | jtickle | thanks |
| 03:44.06 | Dave | Railer, is that significant somehow? |
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| 03:44.31 | railer | What? |
| 03:44.57 | jtickle | Stroller, AntonTakk, updated |
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| 03:46.47 | Sargun | heya, anybody understand FSO arch |
| 03:47.29 | AntonTakk | Low level stuff <--> dbus <--> apps |
| 03:47.33 | AntonTakk | :) |
| 03:47.57 | AntonTakk | (no, not really) |
| 03:48.14 | Stroller | jtickle: as I understand it the question was "why are the buttons too large in TangoGPS in ASU" ?? |
| 03:48.45 | jtickle | Stroller, fair enough |
| 03:49.04 | Stroller | Don't worry - I'll do it later |
| 03:49.10 | Stroller | Just wanted to check |
| 03:49.13 | AntonTakk | prays to the dfu-util gods |
| 03:50.26 | jtickle | well, thanks guys, I'm off to bed |
| 03:50.48 | Sargun | Well, the Low level stuff <---Adapter---> Dbus |
| 03:50.55 | Sargun | Adapter is written in Python, right? |
| 03:51.10 | AntonTakk | adapter?? |
| 03:51.18 | AntonTakk | what is adapter? |
| 03:51.29 | railer | Dave I was just trying to figure out what you were talking about with lmaostorms. roflhail and freakin' lollercanes? |
| 03:51.59 | Sargun | * |
| 03:51.59 | Sargun | Additionally self tests using DBUS interface require python (>= 2.5), dbus python bindings and gobject python bindings. Self tests for libfreesmartphone API wrapper require cython. |
| 03:52.05 | Sargun | from the FSO wiki |
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| 03:52.33 | Dave | Railer, there was some serious fucking weather up the east-cost today |
| 03:52.36 | Dave | That's all. |
| 03:52.42 | railer | ah |
| 03:52.59 | Sargun | This: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=python-ophoned.git;a=summary & http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=python-odeviced.git;a=summary |
| 03:53.01 | Sargun | Python |
| 03:53.02 | Sargun | right? |
| 03:53.31 | railer | Thought it was like some sort of weird chatroom admin thing |
| 03:53.47 | Dave | aha |
| 03:55.24 | lymeca | Does the FR support microSD cards that are 8GB? Will it require a hardware or software upgrade to accomodate 16GB cards when they are released later this year? |
| 03:55.50 | AntonTakk | lymeca: yes, and theoretically, no |
| 03:56.02 | lymeca | AntonTakk: no it won |
| 03:56.07 | lymeca | 't what? |
| 03:56.26 | AntonTakk | require an upgrade |
| 03:56.29 | railer | couldn't they make the 16 look like 8's? |
| 03:56.58 | AntonTakk | iirc, sdhc doesn't stol untill 32 g |
| 03:57.02 | AntonTakk | stop |
| 03:57.22 | lymeca | Oh okay so there should be no need for hardware OR software upgrades |
| 03:57.33 | Dave | but there is |
| 03:57.42 | AntonTakk | there is? |
| 03:57.59 | AntonTakk | no one has even tried a 16 gb sdhc card |
| 03:58.15 | lymeca | They aren't made yet. |
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| 03:58.26 | lymeca | microSD 16GB cards are supposed to come out later this year. |
| 03:58.34 | AntonTakk | exactly |
| 03:58.45 | AntonTakk | so how can anyone know for sure? |
| 03:58.50 | lymeca | It will be nice to have that much storage on them though, so you can have as much space as the most expensive iPhone. |
| 03:59.05 | lymeca | I don't know, someone familiar with the workings of the SD standard? |
| 03:59.17 | AntonTakk | and yet still have a phone that's actually cool ;) |
| 04:01.16 | lymeca | AntonTakk: Agreed. |
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| 04:05.35 | AntonTakk | any of you tried the kernel with the software gps fix yet? |
| 04:05.45 | Dave | Yes |
| 04:05.50 | AntonTakk | and? |
| 04:05.51 | Dave | and the glamo mods |
| 04:05.56 | Dave | The first one did nothing for me |
| 04:05.57 | AntonTakk | glamo mods? |
| 04:06.06 | Dave | the Glamo mods did benefit and was able to get a fix |
| 04:06.12 | Dave | though it's spotty |
| 04:06.23 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 04:06.24 | Dave | works for most, I believe |
| 04:06.41 | AntonTakk | tested in good conditions? |
| 04:06.52 | Dave | As opposed to? |
| 04:07.01 | AntonTakk | er |
| 04:07.05 | AntonTakk | bad conditions? |
| 04:07.20 | Dave | I am unsure of what you are asking :) |
| 04:07.24 | Dave | It did work. |
| 04:07.28 | Dave | If not promptly. |
| 04:07.46 | AntonTakk | ttff? |
| 04:07.50 | Dave | on a phone which previously required one to remove the sd card. |
| 04:07.57 | Dave | No idea, like 5-6min |
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| 04:08.09 | Dave | certainly not promptly |
| 04:10.06 | AntonTakk | hrm |
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| 04:10.31 | lymeca | Is there software for the FR that acts as a simple audio recorder, recording mic input to a file on the miroSD card? |
| 04:10.33 | AntonTakk | what types of surroundings? outside vs inside, weather? etc? |
| 04:11.14 | AntonTakk | lymeca: cat /dev/dsp > file.wav ? :) |
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| 04:11.29 | lymeca | Oh, interesting. |
| 04:11.43 | lymeca | I take it /dev/dsp is the mic |
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| 04:11.56 | SpeedEvil | Dave: testing one FR with, in the same orientation over a car journer through trees/tall buildings would be ideal. But that may not be easy. Dunno your commute if any. |
| 04:12.09 | SpeedEvil | one with, one without |
| 04:12.22 | Dave | huh? |
| 04:12.28 | AntonTakk | lymeca: ime, /dev/dsp is more than one thing, depends on how you use it |
| 04:12.29 | Dave | I can assure you my tests are good |
| 04:12.42 | Dave | and I almost always test with 3 at a time |
| 04:12.52 | Dave | in the same location or route |
| 04:13.01 | Chocky | women? |
| 04:13.08 | Dave | otherwise results could be chocked up to anything |
| 04:13.30 | Dave | chocky, nah, I find two is enough :) |
| 04:13.52 | SpeedEvil | Dave: I'm not saying they're not - just that I haven't seen you comparing positional accuracy between one with fix, and one with no SD forex |
| 04:14.02 | AntonTakk | well, I can get my fr re-flashed with asu tonight and get agpsui back on it and test on the way to work in the morning w/o gps soft fixes, and friday with gps soft fixes |
| 04:14.22 | Dave | Ah, I see |
| 04:14.36 | Dave | Good point, well if we're talking accuracy between the sd/non-sd deal |
| 04:14.45 | Dave | sure, I could do a comparison and put up the data |
| 04:14.46 | SpeedEvil | positional accuracy in key situations - where GPS signal is not ideal - the urban canyon, and tree cover |
| 04:15.01 | Dave | in a building going up an elevator? :) |
| 04:15.16 | SpeedEvil | Basically any situation, those were just examples |
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| 04:15.51 | Dave | yep |
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| 04:20.16 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r06db233960f3 10/ (21 files in 10 dirs): Use of python logging module |
| 04:20.37 | AntonTakk | anyone know what asu does if you have more icons on the main "screen"? than fit on the screen? |
| 04:21.21 | Sargun | charlie137, YT? |
| 04:21.30 | Sargun | Anyone who understands FSO here? |
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| 04:22.21 | AntonTakk | Dave: did the glamo fix seem to help battery life or anything else? |
| 04:23.21 | SpeedEvil | It should have a very minor - the clock stopping - effect on battery life. |
| 04:23.43 | SpeedEvil | I'd guess 30mW or so. - 1% of battery/hour |
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| 04:26.08 | Dave | Anton, I didn't notice that. |
| 04:26.19 | Dave | Though it seemed to lose charge just as quickly :] |
| 04:26.31 | Dave | speedevil, right, something like that :) |
| 04:26.42 | Dave | and it doesn't matter when tango whores life anyway |
| 04:27.45 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, how difficult would it be to sniff the UART? |
| 04:27.58 | Dave | I'll just follow my nose! |
| 04:28.00 | Sargun | Errr, UART lines going out to the GSM modem |
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| 04:28.26 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: dead easy with debug board AIUI |
| 04:28.39 | Sargun | Without debug board |
| 04:29.06 | Sargun | I'm trying the sniff the Dash's UART |
| 04:29.10 | Sargun | it doesn't have debug port |
| 04:29.17 | Sargun | for debug board |
| 04:29.32 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 04:29.40 | Dave | sol? |
| 04:29.47 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: got a board pic? |
| 04:30.00 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, I can get one in a week or so |
| 04:30.26 | Sargun | you can look at the FCC docs |
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| 04:31.16 | Sargun | https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=275032&fcc_id=%27EUNHXD8V2%27 |
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| 04:47.33 | stephelt1n | good evening all |
| 04:47.38 | Sargun | hi |
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| 04:56.32 | AntonTakk | there, asu with some of the best/most use full 2007.2 apps installed |
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| 05:08.20 | Yashy | Is there a flatfile that contains my addressbook? |
| 05:08.40 | AntonTakk | what software? |
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| 05:09.56 | Yashy | 2007.2 (dialer I guess? The data that is on my SIM card) |
| 05:10.24 | Yashy | One issue I have is my address book on my SIM card; my contacts are (nnn) nnn-nnnn |
| 05:10.51 | Yashy | However when I get an incoming call it says +1 (nnn) nnn-nnnn so it doesn't recognize the name associated with each |
| 05:11.05 | Yashy | so I'm thinking if there is a flatfile I can sed in a +1 for each |
| 05:11.22 | Yashy | Although better to me is if I can remove the +1 from incoming? |
| 05:11.51 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 05:12.38 | AntonTakk | i know 2007.2 uses evolution back ends to store data, so maybe check in ~/.evolution - tho the files will probably be in xml or some other markup |
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| 05:41.37 | lymeca | Does the FR come with a microSD card? |
| 05:41.51 | SpeedEvil | I think a 512M one |
| 05:41.58 | SpeedEvil | you want to buy a larger one probably. |
| 05:42.06 | SpeedEvil | Up to 8G are available. |
| 05:42.09 | SpeedEvil | 4G are cheap. |
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| 05:42.44 | railer | anyone know a good site to read how to make a theme for this thing? |
| 05:42.44 | lymeca | I can't wait for 16GB ones. I hear they'll be out before the end of the year. |
| 05:45.01 | peepsalot | confirms the 512iness of the included card |
| 05:45.36 | railer | I ate mine, |
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| 05:47.05 | peepsalot | hehe, this adapter that came with the FR has a date on it. 2007-07-30 |
| 05:47.32 | peepsalot | ancient technology! |
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| 05:49.45 | peepsalot | i'm surprised that how reliable the contacts on these little cards are. i mean, what ever happened to the good old days of blowing into NES cartidges and wiping down the contacts with alcohol doused qtips |
| 05:50.08 | SpeedEvil | high contact pressure, precious metal contacts. |
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| 05:51.04 | peepsalot | did they not use gold on nintendo carts? |
| 05:51.26 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 05:51.58 | swc|666 | that was before precious metals were worth what they are now |
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| 05:54.00 | SpeedEvil | but the amount on a microSD is tiny - consider the conector volume |
| 05:54.47 | SpeedEvil | area I mean |
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| 06:07.26 | Yashy | Well, you can't manually modify ~/.evolution/*addressbook.db sadly |
| 06:07.52 | ozzloy | will the freerunner work with a prius bluetooth setup |
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| 06:08.35 | ozzloy | and by "work" i mean be able to conduct phone calls through the car speakers/microphone connected to the fr via bt |
| 06:09.26 | methril | morning |
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| 06:34.13 | fragged | Mhm, does Navit work flawlessly on the freerunner? Otherwise, does bluetooth transmitting of GPS coordinates work well? I'm looking for a GPS unit with bluetooth both for Car and laptop use; and seeing as I will need a new phone within 6-12 months (Which hopefully openmoko has matured more) this would be cheaper than a new GPS unit AND a phone |
| 06:34.33 | fragged | ie fragged just needs an excuse to buy a freerunner ^^, |
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| 06:44.51 | railer | ookie |
| 06:45.02 | ieatlint | ok, who here has free time, a reasonably good knowledge of linux and wifi and wants to test something? |
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| 06:45.21 | railer | define reasonable? |
| 06:45.36 | railer | oh and I think I'm the only guy here :) |
| 06:45.42 | walrustown | ieatlint: maybe me |
| 06:45.52 | carrar | *cough* |
| 06:45.57 | walrustown | railer is a solipsist |
| 06:45.57 | ieatlint | you don't get freaked out by error messages and can give valuable feedback |
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| 06:46.20 | fragged | railer, by reasonable I mean it doesnt crash; is able to navigate via picture and sound |
| 06:46.30 | ieatlint | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Lint-wifi |
| 06:46.31 | carrar | thats asking a lot |
| 06:46.32 | walrustown | ieatlint: what is it you want to test? |
| 06:46.36 | railer | HEY ! I'm going to go look that up and I'm coming back pissed! |
| 06:46.42 | BlackFog | 'morning |
| 06:46.52 | walrustown | :) |
| 06:46.52 | fragged | I suppose stability isnt a *massive* deal, so long as it crashes maybe once per 20-30 hours of driving |
| 06:46.59 | railer | I teach linux if that helps |
| 06:47.06 | fragged | I dont want to be on the side of the road playing with my phone trying to get GPS up every 5 minutes |
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| 06:47.29 | ieatlint | it isn't fully functional and is undoubtedly full of all sorts of bugs |
| 06:47.32 | KrisAbsinthe_- | any ideas to thin out OM for the 1973 |
| 06:47.53 | ieatlint | anyway, if you're interested, let me know and i'll send a copy over |
| 06:47.54 | walrustown | ieatlint: that looks pretty neat. I'll definitely check it out sometime when I'm not using my wifi |
| 06:47.58 | railer | fragged call back in a month, your a little premature for promises |
| 06:47.59 | carrar | ieatlint, that keyboard looks so much nice displayed larger on the web page :) |
| 06:48.05 | carrar | nicer |
| 06:48.10 | ieatlint | hehe, yeah, doesn't it? :P |
| 06:48.22 | carrar | If only it was that easy to read in rl |
| 06:48.39 | walrustown | ieatlint: can I make one suggestion off the bat? |
| 06:48.39 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 06:48.55 | fragged | railer, how long do you estimate till the GPS and software works to a useable point? |
| 06:49.12 | carrar | fragged, gps works now |
| 06:49.20 | walrustown | when I am inputting a long WPA key it can be nice to see what I'm typing. maybe a checkbox for unhiding ? |
| 06:49.37 | carrar | just write a simple init script to make it do what you want at startup |
| 06:49.38 | ieatlint | not a bad idea |
| 06:49.50 | railer | gps and wifi work now but not super stable and not the way you want |
| 06:50.13 | cdm | what wifi chip is in the freerunner? |
| 06:50.21 | walrustown | ieatlint: how can I get a copy of that to play with? |
| 06:50.32 | Sargun | cdm, Atheros |
| 06:50.45 | railer | I'll help too ieatlint |
| 06:50.47 | fragged | So if worst came to worst I could use my laptop, and have a freerunner stream gps coordinates via bluetooth or USB? |
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| 06:50.57 | KrisAbsinthe_- | yup |
| 06:50.59 | ieatlint | http://ext.tehinterweb.com/lint-wifi.py |
| 06:51.12 | railer | fragged as far as I know right now no, not at all |
| 06:51.14 | walrustown | ieatlint: you have to promise to play my video game when it's working :P |
| 06:51.17 | ieatlint | however, you must have wpa_supplicant and udhcpc both running before starting that right now |
| 06:51.25 | ieatlint | walrustown, sure :) |
| 06:51.28 | walrustown | k |
| 06:51.31 | fragged | cdm, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS |
| 06:51.51 | ieatlint | i probably should have written a thing to start wpa_supplicant and all... but... meh |
| 06:52.22 | walrustown | lint, do you own tehinterweb.com?? |
| 06:52.39 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 06:52.44 | walrustown | dude, you win |
| 06:52.52 | ieatlint | damn right :P |
| 06:53.03 | cdm | Sargun <shiver> |
| 06:53.08 | walrustown | re: starting wpa_supplicant - gotta do the fun stuff first, and that kind of thing later |
| 06:53.16 | carrar | who is mwkathi? |
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| 06:53.57 | carrar | ieatlint, what about for AP that do not broadcast a SSID? |
| 06:54.09 | ecraven | ieatlint: i got wpa_supplicant working perfectly with the settings in /etc/network/ |
| 06:54.10 | carrar | can it "ask" for a ssid? |
| 06:54.20 | ieatlint | uhm, it will able to |
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| 06:54.31 | cdm | carrar: yeah, you issue a probe request with the SSID set |
| 06:54.34 | cdm | and it responds |
| 06:54.36 | cdm | with the SSID set |
| 06:54.38 | Sargun | cdm, what do you have against Atheros? |
| 06:54.49 | carrar | nice |
| 06:54.53 | cdm | Sargun: They are always a day late and a dollar short in the embedded space |
| 06:55.04 | ieatlint | right now it'll only connect to networks predefined in wpa_supplicant.conf, or in the program as a "one time connect" where it'll just prompt for the password and not save it |
| 06:55.09 | cdm | more like 4-5 quarters late |
| 06:55.25 | railer | ieatlint, i'll try installing in a minute |
| 06:55.57 | Sargun | who cares? |
| 06:55.57 | Sargun | They are open |
| 06:56.04 | cdm | people who build leading edge consumer products care... |
| 06:56.20 | fragged | ughh when will the GSM 900 models of the phone begin shipping again? |
| 06:57.13 | fragged | oh, tomorrow apparently ^^, |
| 06:57.21 | fragged | Well, the next day for you americans |
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| 06:58.30 | loiiX | bonjour |
| 06:58.36 | cdm | Sargun -- the marvel folks have a GPL driver. |
| 06:58.47 | cdm | haven't looked lately for the Broadcom folks's stuff. |
| 06:58.53 | cdm | they have the nicest driver though |
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| 07:01.20 | railer | i eatlink any special packages I need to run this? other than standard python? |
| 07:03.26 | ieatlint | pygtk |
| 07:03.35 | ieatlint | or python-pygtk in opkg's repositories |
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| 07:07.19 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:08.01 | loiiX | which framework do i choose if i want to use python for dev ? |
| 07:08.18 | loiiX | FSO, ASU ... ? |
| 07:08.49 | loiiX | good morning too :) |
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| 07:13.08 | railer | ieatlint you still here? |
| 07:13.26 | ieatlint | perhaps |
| 07:13.31 | ieatlint | depends what you have to say |
| 07:13.34 | railer | got this > /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:69: GtkWarning: could not open display |
| 07:13.47 | ieatlint | how are you running it? |
| 07:13.54 | ieatlint | in ssh? |
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| 07:20.10 | ieatlint | whee.. |
| 07:20.10 | gromez | so export DISPLAY=:0 should work |
| 07:20.10 | ecraven | it does |
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| 07:20.11 | ecraven | i use it all the time ;) |
| 07:20.11 | ieatlint | ok, my habit is to specify 0.0 since that's how i learnt it |
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| 07:20.22 | railer | anyone have a lockup pull the battery and reinstall only to have the FR make a little tiny scream noise? |
| 07:20.44 | ecraven | yes, it does that sometimes, but it seems to work fine |
| 07:21.04 | ieatlint | i've never managed to lock the freerunner so badly i couldn't ssh into it... it's just an UI issue |
| 07:21.05 | railer | it damn creepy that's all i'm saying |
| 07:21.46 | railer | I lock mine all the time, but I'm trying to run like 20 programs at a time :)) |
| 07:22.35 | HauDyrArb | railer, its because the specs called for a soul in the FR |
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| 07:23.07 | ecraven | ieatlint: try running Tichy on debian ;) locks it up completely, no answer to pings, no ssh.. |
| 07:24.01 | ieatlint | i dunno what tichy is, and i don't use debian |
| 07:24.35 | ecraven | python ui, developed by charles |
| 07:24.45 | ecraven | by charlie137, to be exact ;) |
| 07:24.54 | ecraven | charlie137: hey ;) |
| 07:25.02 | ieatlint | ah... i'm not the biggest fan of python :P |
| 07:25.12 | ecraven | i like it more than c ;) |
| 07:25.24 | ieatlint | lint-wifi was my first real app in it... |
| 07:25.37 | ieatlint | it's definitely a lot faster, but with numerous prices |
| 07:25.38 | railer | ok it's up! |
| 07:26.58 | railer | nothing on the scan? |
| 07:27.00 | ecraven | what gps navigation system would you suggest here? |
| 07:27.04 | ieatlint | yeah, by the time i actually release it, i'll make it a lot easier to use |
| 07:27.16 | ieatlint | railer, are you running it so that you can see the console output? |
| 07:27.48 | railer | ah ya |
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| 07:28.24 | railer | figured it out I deleted my wpa supplicant erroring out |
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| 07:28.59 | railer | does anything need to be in the wpa_sup off the top? |
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| 07:29.33 | ieatlint | uhm, i dunno... it needs to have the control interface specified |
| 07:29.40 | ironic_ | guys does anybody know why you get segfaults while executing the opkg install command? |
| 07:29.40 | ieatlint | but i don't think it needs any networks defined |
| 07:30.02 | railer | ok I'll add it one sec |
| 07:30.42 | ieatlint | you don't need to connect to a network to use it, but wpa_supplicant and udhcpc need to be running in daemon modes ( "udhcpc -b" puts it in daemon mode) |
| 07:31.05 | ieatlint | wpa_supplicant then has a control program i use, and udhcpc can be told to do things by sending signals to it |
| 07:31.19 | railer | ok write this stuff down |
| 07:31.41 | ieatlint | well, when i actually release it, it'll do this automatically |
| 07:31.48 | ieatlint | i'll probably put an ipkg together i guess |
| 07:32.11 | KrisAbsinthe_- | can I change the backight level forever? |
| 07:33.12 | ieatlint | as much and often as you want, KrisAbsinthe_- ! |
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| 07:33.55 | KrisAbsinthe_- | i got the echo "2000" /sys/...... command ok but when the light sleeps it reawakens to the max 5600 |
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| 07:35.38 | railer | to save further headaches you want to private message me exactly what you need in the wpa_supp incase I miss something? |
| 07:36.44 | ieatlint | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan |
| 07:36.49 | ieatlint | look at the sample up there |
| 07:36.53 | ieatlint | the top block you need |
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| 07:37.29 | railer | just the standard 5 lines? |
| 07:38.10 | ieatlint | yep |
| 07:39.36 | railer | k |
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| 07:41.30 | ecraven | is there an ipkg for navit? |
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| 07:42.34 | railer | ok got signal |
| 07:43.07 | railer | hold on wep pass........ |
| 07:43.55 | railer | damn no keyboard came up |
| 07:44.19 | ieatlint | yeah, that's a known issue |
| 07:44.25 | railer | lol |
| 07:45.09 | railer | any suggestions? |
| 07:45.32 | ieatlint | install the keyboard applet |
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| 07:48.03 | railer | sorry I'll have to leave that tonight, need sleep |
| 07:48.03 | carrar | heh |
| 07:48.15 | carrar | keyboard app is 5 second install! |
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| 07:48.59 | KrisAbsinthe_- | whats the opkg name fir that applet |
| 07:49.28 | carrar | matchbox-keyboard |
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| 07:49.44 | carrar | there are a few pkg for that |
| 07:50.26 | carrar | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards |
| 07:50.39 | carrar | "How to install it?" |
| 07:50.42 | Fossi | bad programmer! spank! spank! spank! tut tut tut! ;D |
| 07:51.03 | railer | one sec |
| 07:51.48 | railer | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
| 07:51.52 | railer | it's up |
| 07:52.17 | railer | but I'll play tomorrow 2 am here time for bed |
| 07:52.29 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r57694a394afe 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/sierra/channel.py: ogsmd: [SIERRA] fix the channel to use the correct parent class |
| 07:52.30 | Sargun | waits for FSO devs to come online |
| 07:52.48 | railer | I'll setup a unsecured tomorrow too |
| 07:52.48 | Sargun | wonders what jluebbe's nick is here. |
| 07:53.30 | railer | night |
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| 07:53.39 | ieatlint | night |
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| 07:58.50 | Zorkman | damn, looks like you set up your neo a lot better than me railer :) |
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| 08:02.55 | ieatlint | those aren't only from railer on that site |
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| 08:07.22 | Ainulindale | wurp2|truly_away: http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2879 <= loooove it :-) |
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| 08:08.29 | walrustown | Ainulindale: you're going to hell |
| 08:08.51 | Ainulindale | :-) |
| 08:09.00 | walrustown | I'll be there too |
| 08:09.09 | walrustown | As well as most of the interesting people I've met |
| 08:09.43 | Ainulindale | Well, it's hot, there're cocktails, everybody should be there, shouldn't they ? |
| 08:09.57 | ironic_ | guys could somebody help me please? I would like to know if there are some environment variables loaded if you ssh to the moko |
| 08:09.58 | walrustown | Well, everyone but the mormons |
| 08:10.19 | walrustown | ironic_: you could run 'env' |
| 08:10.23 | walrustown | it prints environment variables |
| 08:10.52 | ieatlint | actually, when the mormons reach hell and realise just how wrong they were, they go on a pretty good drinking binge |
| 08:11.15 | ironic_ | hm ok, the funny thing is that if i ssh to the moko and execute opkg install somePackage it works fine, but once i put the same command in a shellscript it prints me segmentation fault |
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| 08:11.44 | ieatlint | i would too if you put me in a script |
| 08:12.02 | ironic_ | ieatlint: :D |
| 08:12.34 | walrustown | ironic_: that's mighty weird. |
| 08:12.48 | Fossi | ironic_: maybe a timing issue? |
| 08:13.19 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r8e7c1959a01f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update efl and illume dates/rev to update to gsm "no signal" mode and |
| 08:13.19 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r405c7b4e9fe3 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the kernel to the latest stable kernel |
| 08:13.19 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r038b787aa4ef 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get the various callscreen improvements |
| 08:13.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r6f53111250ed 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Get the callscreen state transition fixes from Qtopia |
| 08:13.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r9ac9db332dc2 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia. Revert micro optimisation and improved callhandling |
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| 08:13.26 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03olv 07org.openmoko.dev * r8a27989feacb 10/packages/ (10 files in 2 dirs): add/update more maps |
| 08:13.29 | ironic_ | could be... what is also strange is that multiple "Installing package (0.0.1) to root..." are printed |
| 08:13.29 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03olv 07org.openmoko.dev * re288027d4670 10/conf/checksums.ini: add/update checksums of maps |
| 08:13.32 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r1f9483761cc6 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task] Bump the PR of task-openmoko-feed to force a rebuild |
| 08:13.33 | peepsalot | is there a name for the main application menu in openmoko. for the distro that comes on the FR (whatever its called) |
| 08:13.35 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rfa60985eb14e 10/packages/efl1/ (etk/initial_viewport.patch etk_cvs.bb): [efl] etk didn't initial scrolled_view correctly. |
| 08:13.44 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r2df580884f02 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin to 194 for GUI changed as requested by tick |
| 08:13.47 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r8a34832ec75a 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [assassin-thumbnail] Add tick's assassin-thumbnail recipe |
| 08:13.50 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r7811ee84a155 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko feed] Add assassin-thumbnail to the openmoko feed |
| 08:13.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rc74963219a88 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get further improved call handling |
| 08:13.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r58cb3efe0e3e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 193 |
| 08:13.59 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rd8a14e4c18da 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Disable parallel make for Qtopia, it is breaking... |
| 08:14.12 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r2e50364dddee 10/packages/initscripts/initscripts-1.0/openmoko/bootmisc.sh: [initscripts] Fork the bootmisc.sh for Openmoko |
| 08:14.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r3baee5c127b1 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/bootmisc.sh initscripts_1.0.bb): [initscripts] Remove ldconfig call from the initscript to gain a speed increase |
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| 08:14.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rb3773ea5c9fc 10/packages/glibc/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [glibc] Split ld.so.conf up to allow to install other paths by other packages |
| 08:14.21 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r15aa62160c6f 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Install a hint for ldconfig to find the Qtopia directory |
| 08:14.24 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * ra9c5ad93c077 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): update illume to use new ompower and new bindings and actions for shutdown |
| 08:14.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * re698063f4f67 10/packages/efl1/etk_cvs.bb: remove etk patch |
| 08:14.40 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r6480e97df9f6 10/packages/initscripts/initscripts-1.0/openmoko/bootmisc.sh: disable ldconfig for faster boot |
| 08:14.43 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r43228aafa925 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: illume - fix fullscreen windows with layering. |
| 08:14.44 | peepsalot | whoa why are all these messages coming in all the sudden |
| 08:14.46 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r1d132ed83a8c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update illum config |
| 08:14.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r482ab232269d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up exposure to srcrev 55 to fix blank vs suspend timeout. |
| 08:14.52 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * ra0061cf7773e 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/bootmisc.sh initscripts_1.0.bb): Remove the ldconfig call from the right file. This revers/fixes up |
| 08:14.59 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r666735535d3b 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/openmoko/banner initscripts_1.0.bb): Move the banner change to a openmoko specific file. And remove stuff we don't use |
| 08:15.02 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r78d158a9247c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Attempt at a stable kernel update. |
| 08:15.05 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rb6a812ec9c34 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [qtopia] Pipe the output of qpe through the "logger" utility |
| 08:15.06 | Fossi | looks like somebody likes to commit a bit of stuff ;) |
| 08:15.10 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r66567a0a83c3 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [qtopia] The app to inform illume about incoming calls was never implemented, remove |
| 08:15.11 | XorA | peepsalot: because I just pushed a merge |
| 08:15.13 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r796cfd4108ae 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [qtopia] Remove the helpbrowser from the image. Qtopia should disable the Help entry |
| 08:15.16 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r0a61a5e9dfed 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to a version with various fixes |
| 08:15.21 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r4066a6fb0c19 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion of opkg to 4528 |
| 08:15.24 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r69a92f70cbcb 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 195 |
| 08:15.27 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r9d014cdef01c 10/packages/openmoko-projects/assassin_svn.bb: [assassin] Remove curl in DEPENDS of assassin |
| 08:15.32 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rddbe307415f3 10/packages/packagekit/ (files/repository-ping.patch packagekit_git.bb): [packagekit] Add a patch to packagekit. |
| 08:15.35 | CIA-46 | (72 lines omitted) |
| 08:15.41 | Fossi | actually, wouldn't it be sane to have a openmoko-cia channel or such? |
| 08:15.42 | peepsalot | XorA ah makes sense, keep up the good work. ;-) |
| 08:15.55 | Fossi | at least a lot of opensource projects do it that way |
| 08:16.55 | Fossi | peepsalot: the distro is calles 2007.2 |
| 08:17.12 | Fossi | and it depends what menu you mean :) |
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| 08:17.39 | peepsalot | Fossi, the menu that goes: Contacts, Dialer, GPS & Map, Messages, Take Screenshot |
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| 08:20.34 | peepsalot | Fossi, i actually am curious if there is a config file for this menu somewhere |
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| 08:23.53 | XorA | peepsalot: I think that menu is hard coded into neod |
| 08:24.11 | ieatlint | it's not |
| 08:24.19 | XorA | peepsalot: ignore me, thinking of the wrong menu |
| 08:24.45 | XorA | peepsalot: that one is in /usr/share/applications or something like that |
| 08:25.29 | Fossi | yeah |
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| 08:26.27 | XorA | its not lunch time yet, brain doesnt work yet |
| 08:26.39 | peepsalot | ah i see, i guess it just loads all .desktop files and orders them alphabetically |
| 08:28.10 | trix | 3952 good 70 fail 7025 total |
| 08:28.14 | trix | gps with sd card |
| 08:28.24 | trix | much love to openmoko |
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| 08:28.58 | Fossi | peepsalot: if you deactivate reduced mode you also have categories |
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| 08:44.04 | Yashy | http://your.rogers.com/business/productsservices/wireless/index.asp |
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| 08:45.40 | ironic_ | ok guys i fixed the bug with the segfault. the problem was that if you just type 'ssh root@192.168.0.202 "cd /tmp/; opkg install somePackage"' it will not load all the environment variables as it would do if you normally ssh into the moko. you need to load . /etc/profile and /etc/profile.d/tslib.sh in order to get it working. just thought you guys might want to know |
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| 08:47.27 | ieatlint | ah, yeah, you don't get a shell if you tell it to execute a program |
| 08:48.56 | ironic_ | ieatlint: i think it would give you a fake-shell if you submit the -t argument, but thats not enough somehow... |
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| 08:49.23 | ieatlint | there's no point, it'd just use system resources |
| 08:49.53 | uzytkownik | Hello. How to import contacts from vCards? |
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| 08:50.13 | ironic_ | anyway thank you for the tip ieatlint |
| 08:52.14 | uzytkownik | Or at least where they are stored? |
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| 09:11.21 | Fossi | hmmm. this update killed the openmoko |
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| 09:11.59 | Fossi | something with exquisite-ipc |
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| 09:12.16 | ieatlint | well, i just installed the invisbleshield on my neo... just the screen (bought whole body, but i don't feel up to doing more than the screen right now) |
| 09:12.41 | ieatlint | unless told, you wouldn't know it was there |
| 09:12.43 | phrozen77 | whats an invisibleshield? |
| 09:12.48 | ieatlint | zagg.com |
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| 09:13.07 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r2e23f2c4324d 10/packages/python/ (3 files in 2 dirs): python-setuptools[-native] 0.6c8 fix log usage bug |
| 09:13.08 | ieatlint | it's a covering of sorts to make it [nearly] scratchproof |
| 09:13.15 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: I'll receive mine in a few days now |
| 09:13.24 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: is it still easy to use the screen ? |
| 09:13.31 | ieatlint | full body or just the screen? |
| 09:13.43 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r460541baf9e9 10/ (data/themes/zhone.edc src/zhone): continue with the SMS interface |
| 09:13.47 | ieatlint | your finger does drag slightly more |
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| 09:14.09 | ieatlint | but if you couldn't compare it to without the shield, you wouldn't know anything was wrong |
| 09:14.26 | ieatlint | really, i don't even see edges |
| 09:14.38 | ieatlint | smudges less too i think |
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| 09:15.07 | phrozen77 | hm, are there pictures anywhere with just the invisibleshield? |
| 09:15.11 | phrozen77 | cant find any |
| 09:15.22 | ieatlint | what do you mean by just the invisbleshield? |
| 09:15.26 | SpeedEvil | It's clear plastic. |
| 09:15.32 | SpeedEvil | you can't see it when it's on. |
| 09:15.36 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: full body for me |
| 09:15.40 | SpeedEvil | Similar to the ones I'm selling. |
| 09:16.03 | ieatlint | well, it'll change the texture of the surface (except for the screen, which is already glossy) |
| 09:16.09 | SpeedEvil | Though I don't know if the invisibleshield ones go properly under teh display. |
| 09:16.29 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: mine are pretty much similar to the existing screen - I couldn't tell any difference. |
| 09:16.30 | ieatlint | under... well, you don't have to remove casing to install it |
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| 09:16.47 | ieatlint | yeah, i can't tell any difference in appearance on the screen at all |
| 09:17.02 | phrozen77 | meh |
| 09:17.04 | SpeedEvil | I prefer that method of installation - there is no hastle with getting it down exactly right, and it can be easily removed, and there is no line round the edge. |
| 09:17.08 | phrozen77 | still 3 weeks until i get my FR |
| 09:17.09 | ieatlint | i was all afraid of putting it on wrong... like when you put a sticker on something, and you fuck up |
| 09:17.25 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: no problem |
| 09:17.31 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: it just comes right off if you want. |
| 09:17.34 | ieatlint | yeah, indeed, it slides into place |
| 09:17.36 | trix | the spray you put on allows you to slide it around |
| 09:17.47 | ieatlint | if i can get to the edge of the damned thing to peel it off, sure |
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| 09:18.06 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: that's why I like the in the case method - you can leave 1mm sticking out. |
| 09:18.12 | trix | i did read that the invisibleshield leaves a tiny edge i.e. doesn't cover it completely |
| 09:18.21 | trix | but i don't think it's very noticeable unless you're looking close |
| 09:18.29 | ieatlint | but then you have to disassemble the case... i tend to scratch things when i attempt that |
| 09:19.10 | ieatlint | trix, yeah, but i wouldn't know it wasn't just the edge of the screen |
| 09:19.19 | SpeedEvil | It's really easy to dissasemble. |
| 09:19.25 | SpeedEvil | Takes me about a couple of mins. |
| 09:20.30 | Fossi | "in function: ecore_event_handler_del()" "input handle pointer is null", is that a known error and what causes it? |
| 09:20.31 | ieatlint | well, i don't believe in the uk, and as such i refuse to buy products from people who live in such an obviously fake place |
| 09:20.41 | phrozen77 | lol |
| 09:20.52 | phrozen77 | anyone knows where to get those in .de / eu? |
| 09:21.23 | Fossi | i think there should be plenty of sellers |
| 09:21.39 | Fossi | it's not like the screen of the moko had a weird dimension |
| 09:21.51 | Stroller | I don't believe in the UK, either, but the police here still beat me up if I don't pay my taxes |
| 09:21.59 | SpeedEvil | ships protectors internationally for $5 |
| 09:22.05 | SpeedEvil | (the inside-the case sort) |
| 09:22.15 | phrozen77 | shop? |
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| 09:23.18 | Stroller | it's like a house where things are sold, phrozen77 |
| 09:23.30 | phrozen77 | O RLY? |
| 09:23.32 | phrozen77 | :) |
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| 09:23.48 | Stroller | nods nods nods |
| 09:23.49 | phrozen77 | ok, let me get more precise: whats the url for the shop, SpeedEvil |
| 09:23.50 | Stroller | RLY |
| 09:23.54 | phrozen77 | NO WAI |
| 09:24.18 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shop:SpeedEvil |
| 09:24.40 | phrozen77 | lol |
| 09:24.44 | phrozen77 | Shop:SpeedEvil |
| 09:24.45 | phrozen77 | From Openmoko |
| 09:24.45 | phrozen77 | Jump to: navigation, search |
| 09:24.45 | phrozen77 | There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page. |
| 09:24.51 | Stroller | thinks you should register SpeedevilShoppe.com |
| 09:24.51 | Fossi | hmmm. why do i have enlightenment stuff installed if i just updated the 2007.2? |
| 09:25.16 | SpeedEvil | phr3ak: oops. |
| 09:25.18 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shop:Speedevil |
| 09:25.28 | Fossi | YeOldeSpeedevilShoppe.com |
| 09:26.25 | Stroller | kicks his monitor in frustration |
| 09:26.36 | phr3ak | . |
| 09:26.39 | phrozen77 | humm |
| 09:26.46 | phrozen77 | and how am i supposed to buy from that... shop? |
| 09:26.53 | Stroller | On, on, damnit! |
| 09:27.32 | Stroller | Well, what you do, phrozen77, is you give the shoppe-keeper money, and he gives you the goods. |
| 09:27.36 | SpeedEvil | Basically, I haven't arranged a payment solution, so it's PM me for paypal address. |
| 09:27.37 | Stroller | hands SpeedEvil $5 |
| 09:27.47 | Fossi | hmmm. seems like something in the last update deinstalled X |
| 09:28.14 | Stroller | Sorry, I'll be really irritating until this other monitor comes on |
| 09:28.35 | SpeedEvil | fobos: graphics? On a phone? Who'd need that? :) |
| 09:28.59 | Fossi | well, not me |
| 09:29.06 | Fossi | at least not now |
| 09:29.14 | Fossi | erlang is much more important |
| 09:29.23 | Stroller | framebuffer graphics? On a phone? No! Someone's already implemented that! We must make life HARDER! |
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| 09:31.48 | BDo | dreams about a phone shell and a VT100 like user interface... |
| 09:33.00 | SpeedEvil | http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/36076.html |
| 09:34.00 | HauDyrArb | The first rule of Iphone's SDK is - you do not talk about Iphone's SDK. The second rule of Iphone's SDK is - you DO NOT talk about Iphone's SDK. |
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| 09:35.19 | Fossi | why is there gtk+ and gtk+-fastscaling? |
| 09:35.36 | Fossi | and which of the two (incompatible) versions am i supposed to use? |
| 09:36.04 | Ainulindale | I think default version on 2007.2 is gtk+-fastscaling |
| 09:36.18 | Fossi | seems like it |
| 09:36.32 | Fossi | then, there seems to be a newer version of gtk+ around |
| 09:37.14 | Ainulindale | Yep |
| 09:37.16 | bumbl | SpeedEvil: do the 5$ for the screen protector include shipping; what trox screwdriver is needed to open the freerunner; payment is only paypal? |
| 09:37.22 | ieatlint | Ainulindale, have fun installing the full body for the thing |
| 09:37.30 | ieatlint | i just putt he back piece on... real fucking bitch |
| 09:38.03 | Ainulindale | Hard to do ? |
| 09:39.12 | Fossi | bumbl: you need a 6x40 |
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| 09:39.24 | Fossi | a bit doesn't work |
| 09:39.51 | Fossi | oh, now that i deinstalled exquisite, it 'boots' |
| 09:39.54 | ieatlint | Ainulindale, kinda |
| 09:40.03 | ieatlint | there's nothing good to align it with |
| 09:40.27 | ieatlint | and then parts start peeling off as it dries |
| 09:40.47 | Ainulindale | That's because you're supposed to apply pressure on round parts |
| 09:40.53 | ieatlint | then it reaches a mostly dry state, where it suddenly finishes easily |
| 09:41.09 | ieatlint | yeah, you just try applying pressure on the ENTIRE edge of the neo |
| 09:41.17 | ieatlint | (it hangs over the sides slightly) |
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| 09:41.21 | Ainulindale | I have palms instead of hands |
| 09:41.32 | SpeedEvil | bumbl: yes |
| 09:41.37 | ieatlint | and do it without making more issues by moving the plastic |
| 09:41.39 | Ainulindale | (I'm not sure it's the proper english word though :-) ) |
| 09:41.51 | bumbl | Fossi: what's a 6x40? I have here trox screwdrivers labelled 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 40 |
| 09:41.59 | SpeedEvil | It's a T6 |
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| 09:42.06 | SpeedEvil | I think 40 refers to length |
| 09:42.39 | bumbl | ah ok |
| 09:42.39 | ieatlint | well, my installation is not perfect, but it's not at all bad |
| 09:43.03 | ieatlint | you can't apply it in one sitting |
| 09:43.18 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: meaning the whole shield ? |
| 09:43.22 | Ainulindale | Or just one part ? |
| 09:43.23 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 09:43.41 | ieatlint | i installed the screen piece and the back piece |
| 09:43.47 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: but it doesn't seem that hard hearing what you're telling us |
| 09:43.51 | ieatlint | there are several side pieces and then a front bezel piece left |
| 09:44.14 | ieatlint | yeah, not too bad, it was just annoying at first |
| 09:44.34 | Ainulindale | Is it possible to put fingerprints beneath the protection ? |
| 09:44.42 | SpeedEvil | Ainulindale: if you really want to. |
| 09:44.43 | Ainulindale | Or do their special spray gets rid of that ? |
| 09:44.53 | Ainulindale | SpeedEvil: Yeah that's my ultimate purpose :-) |
| 09:44.59 | SpeedEvil | Ainulindale: you should probably clean the screen first. |
| 09:45.42 | Ainulindale | SpeedEvil: But when it'll be clean, if I put my fingers on the shield, beneath it, will it mark ? or will the spray dissolve the marks ? |
| 09:45.54 | Ainulindale | (Just curious there) |
| 09:46.06 | Ainulindale | (I don't have it yet) |
| 09:46.10 | SpeedEvil | Ainulindale: I'm unsure - I've never used the spray. |
| 09:46.25 | SpeedEvil | If you mean do marks go through the shield, then no. |
| 09:46.45 | Ainulindale | Nope that wasn't my question |
| 09:46.55 | Ainulindale | When trying to put the protection on the screen |
| 09:47.10 | Ainulindale | The common problem is that you put some fingerprints beneath the protection |
| 09:47.14 | Ainulindale | On the sticky side |
| 09:47.25 | SpeedEvil | You don't touch that. |
| 09:47.26 | Ainulindale | (I'm clumsy, so it's at least my problem) |
| 09:47.34 | ieatlint | Ainulindale, i cleaned the surface thoroughly |
| 09:47.38 | Ainulindale | SpeedEvil: So it will mark then |
| 09:48.02 | ieatlint | but the spray does prevent fingerprints |
| 09:48.13 | Ainulindale | (I didn't know if the shield itself was sticky or if the spray was the sticky thing) |
| 09:48.20 | prjktdtnt | Ainulindale: wear some powder free latex gloves and the skin oils on the sticky side of the protection shouldn't be an issue i would imagine |
| 09:48.20 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: nice then |
| 09:48.23 | ieatlint | the shield is |
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| 09:48.30 | ieatlint | the spray is something very neutral |
| 09:48.33 | ieatlint | might be rubbing alcohol |
| 09:48.44 | ieatlint | well, no, it has no smell |
| 09:48.57 | Ainulindale | Could you take a picture of your freerunner with its condom on, when you're done ? :-) |
| 09:49.04 | ieatlint | it says on it that swallowing it or getting it in your eyes is "not harmful" |
| 09:49.22 | Fossi | bumbl: the screws are really tiny |
| 09:49.38 | ieatlint | Ainulindale, yeah, sure |
| 09:49.55 | ieatlint | the back as a very distinct glossy finish now |
| 09:49.58 | ieatlint | has |
| 09:50.18 | prjktdtnt | QEMU images run entirely too slow, I need to find a way to come up with the money and just buy the dang phone already |
| 09:50.25 | SpeedEvil | t6s are very cheap on eaby |
| 09:50.27 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Lot-of-10-T6-Torx-Screwdriver-for-Mobile-Cell-Phone_W0QQitemZ200236664178QQcmdZViewItem?IMSfp=TL080706104a26757 |
| 09:50.28 | playya | hi |
| 09:50.49 | playya | i get this error when compiling glibc: configure: error: C preprocessor "arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -E" fails sanity check |
| 09:51.04 | Fossi | they are very cheap in the hardware store as well ;) |
| 09:52.40 | Fossi | ieatlint: i actually like it having 'grip', i guess that gets lost with the protection cover or not? |
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| 09:58.04 | ieatlint | bleh, stupid unreliable wifi bridge |
| 09:58.14 | ieatlint | just lost connection.. |
| 09:58.55 | ieatlint | Fossi, i'm not screwing too much with it right now, but supposedly it makes it grip better |
| 09:59.18 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r84291a1dbae9 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: yank unsolicited messages from non-unsolicited channels |
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| 09:59.18 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r85dff7f503bd 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: ogsmd: add unicodeToString() |
| 09:59.20 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r604a3a035ec8 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: decode text to string before handing it to the modem |
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| 10:02.08 | prjktdtnt | does the keyboard on the freerunner work better than the one on the QEMU emulator? the emulator has a tendency not to respond to keystrokes or respond with the wrong character |
| 10:02.15 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb169ba761de5 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: fix dumb typo |
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| 10:08.24 | bumbl | is it save or reasonable to update ubooot to the latest version? |
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| 10:11.00 | ieatlint | don't you need a debug board to update uboot? |
| 10:11.32 | ieatlint | because, as i understand it, it is "reasonably" safe, but one of those things you don't upgrade unless you damn well know why you're upgrading it |
| 10:11.58 | methril | you don't need a debug board to update u-boot |
| 10:12.02 | bumbl | afaik you are able to update the uboot in nand without debug board throug nor |
| 10:12.18 | bumbl | if you want to update nor uboot you need the debug board |
| 10:12.24 | methril | but you have to be suere what are you doing |
| 10:12.49 | methril | if you update a bad image, then you need a debug board to safely unbrick your FR |
| 10:13.35 | bumbl | but my question was because there was afaik a fix which allows you to run your freerunner with usb without akku |
| 10:14.08 | mjr | yes though without gsm |
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| 10:16.42 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03jeremy * r83e1676476b1 10/src/plugins/mediaengines/gstreamer/gstreamerplaybinsession.cpp: [Gstreamer plugin] Make the first ringtone playing be instant. |
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| 10:30.14 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r3a77c293f036 10/src/server/phone/callscreen/semithemed/callscreen.cpp: [callscreen] Attempt to fix a crash we see on the device |
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| 10:43.43 | uzytkownik | Can I change the root password to something more secure or is something depending on this (I hope not - it would be a really bad idea)? |
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| 10:44.34 | SpeedEvil | No - it's going to be blank forever, so everyone can use the phone! |
| 10:44.35 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 10:44.42 | SpeedEvil | Seriously, changing is a good plan. |
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| 10:46.10 | BBishop | I like the "blank" idea >:) |
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| 10:50.15 | ieatlint | yeah, i need to fix that before linuxworld |
| 10:50.24 | ieatlint | lest everyone feel like logging into my phone |
| 10:50.38 | SpeedEvil | Add a guest account. |
| 10:50.47 | SpeedEvil | And webserver. |
| 10:52.35 | Stroller | lol |
| 10:52.57 | ieatlint | the webserver isn't a bad idea :P |
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| 11:02.41 | uzytkownik | I receive an SMS. However If I try to read it it close the application (crashes?). Is it known bug? |
| 11:04.36 | Sup3rkiddo | uzytkownik, did you take a look in the bug tracking system? |
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| 11:06.26 | uzytkownik | Sup3rkiddo: With phrases I think about - yes |
| 11:07.37 | Stroller | I think this may be related to non-ASCII characters |
| 11:08.51 | uzytkownik | Stroller: Will installing the locales fix it? |
| 11:09.01 | Stroller | No, I don't think so. |
| 11:09.19 | Stroller | I think the best thing to do is put the SIM in another |
| 11:09.23 | Stroller | Whusp. |
| 11:09.33 | uzytkownik | Stroller: Can I read it from command line? |
| 11:10.22 | Stroller | I think the best thing to do is get someone to send you a text containing only abc...zABC...Z - no umlauts or accents and see if you can read it. You might need to put the SIM in another phone & delete the crashy message |
| 11:11.02 | Stroller | uzytkownik: I'm sure you can, but I don't know how. If you find out, please let me know & I'll put it on the wiki. You might ask on -dev or -cdevel |
| 11:14.36 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6da14d61a433 10/packages/e17/e-wm/applications.menu: add "others" menu submenu |
| 11:27.17 | Elleo | anyone know what causes the triggering of the kayboard to pop up, is it some dbus message being sent? |
| 11:27.26 | Elleo | any docs anywhere? |
| 11:28.24 | Elleo | keyboard* |
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| 11:34.09 | Tm_T | hi kids |
| 11:34.58 | pazante | hi |
| 11:35.10 | pazante | anyone know how long time it takes to do opkg upgrade on a new phone |
| 11:35.36 | pazante | http://pastebin.com/m557dd1b6 |
| 11:35.43 | Tm_T | pazante: depends a lot |
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| 11:36.31 | pazante | it have been standing stil for like an hour is this normal |
| 11:37.19 | Ainulindale | pazante: check if the connection is still active |
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| 11:46.13 | torpor | w00t compiling on board rocks! |
| 11:46.21 | torpor | a 2000-line application compiles in 46 seconds. |
| 11:46.23 | lpotter | heh |
| 11:46.31 | lpotter | try compiling qtopia |
| 11:46.39 | torpor | not terribly great, but not bad either .. considering its a full GTK app with cairo/rsvg, etc. |
| 11:46.43 | torpor | and no mokomakefile involved! |
| 11:47.03 | torpor | abandons his mokomakefile setup .. |
| 11:47.12 | torpor | don't wanna wait for that thing no more. 3 days to finish a build, pfft... |
| 11:47.22 | torpor | compile-on-board == get started writing code now .. |
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| 11:48.10 | spydon | Does anyone have that DHL link from pulster with shipping information? |
| 11:48.13 | mjr | python == get started now ;) |
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| 11:48.44 | torpor | mjr: trudat! |
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| 11:49.47 | ieatlint | python == get started now && why is this application so slow |
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| 11:59.14 | Wonka | hell yeah: |
| 11:59.17 | Wonka | Jul 24 13:19:18 om-gta02 user.err gpsd[1354]: gpsd: internal error - too many satellites! |
| 11:59.27 | Weiss | :) |
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| 12:04.28 | Wonka | not funny |
| 12:06.34 | ieatlint | something has to very wrong for it to say too many satellites |
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| 12:08.57 | torpor | kill -9 satellite[50..70] |
| 12:09.52 | Wonka | and the thingie managing starting applications has died again, too |
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| 12:19.50 | Sargun | heya |
| 12:20.17 | ieatlint | i miss when $1 was €1 |
| 12:24.34 | ieatlint | then again, all you EMU peoples wish you never went to the euro |
| 12:25.35 | Stroller | too many satellites = "that's no moon!" |
| 12:26.03 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 12:26.46 | ieatlint | here's a real thing... gps satellites are in a high orbit, the ISS is in a low orbit, so in theory you can get gps signals in the ISS |
| 12:26.56 | ieatlint | don't you just wonder what a gps would say? |
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| 12:27.25 | quickdev | Hello |
| 12:27.27 | Mek | I guess inside the ISS you won't have much of a reception due to all the shielding |
| 12:27.35 | quickdev | Is it possible to disabled the clock applet on the startscreen? |
| 12:27.42 | ieatlint | yeah, that idea did cross my mind |
| 12:27.58 | ieatlint | still, outside the shielding... it would be interesting... |
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| 12:30.10 | ieatlint | if i ever go to space, i'm so going to get smashed, bring my girlfriend for sex and try a gps |
| 12:30.15 | ieatlint | i'll let you know how it goes |
| 12:30.47 | HauDyrArb | we look forward to a sappy story |
| 12:30.58 | mjr | well, civilian gps receivers are required to stop functioning above a certain altitude and speed :] |
| 12:31.25 | ieatlint | damn censorship |
| 12:31.34 | HauDyrArb | Stop workin its the LAW |
| 12:32.02 | ieatlint | no, that's my sister and i'm suing her ass |
| 12:32.10 | mjr | (by us import/export regulations at least, don't know if there are devices available that don't restrict this anyway) |
| 12:32.55 | leinirAWAY | Well... the openmoko itself isn't particularly well shielded, could it handle all the charged particles in LEO? |
| 12:33.00 | ieatlint | mjr, so the gps receiver is actually aware of my altitude/speed? |
| 12:33.49 | Tig| | quickdev: yes the instructions are here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Customize_the_interface:_clock.2C_keyboard... but you will be doing it the other way round so swap true and false in the instructions :) |
| 12:33.51 | HauDyrArb | leinirAWAY, certanly it's made in taiwan |
| 12:34.06 | leinirAWAY | HauDyrArb: This is of course true ;) |
| 12:34.23 | ieatlint | don't you mean china? |
| 12:34.27 | ieatlint | :P |
| 12:34.44 | HauDyrArb | ieatlint, maby i do maby i dont |
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| 12:35.26 | ieatlint | you're danish... what do you know? :P |
| 12:35.44 | leinirAWAY | And now you'll never know, because he was an optical illuuuusion! ;) |
| 12:35.49 | ieatlint | i was in copenhagen on the night baghdad was "liberated" and there were people celebrating |
| 12:36.01 | HauDyrArb | taiwan/china whatever |
| 12:36.22 | HauDyrArb | they all look the same over there |
| 12:36.40 | ieatlint | i think they look the same over there too |
| 12:36.56 | quickdev | Tig|, thank you very much! |
| 12:37.06 | Tig| | no problem :) |
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| 12:38.21 | Fossi | hmm. this bitbake thing is getting over my head |
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| 12:39.04 | uzytkownik | I don't know how but the key mapping changed. As a result Instead of 0 I get {. How to fix it? |
| 12:39.05 | ieatlint | besides, HauDyrArb, you're in scandinavia, you should be using nokia or ericsson |
| 12:39.27 | ieatlint | uzytkownik, known bug, it appears when you plug in a usb cable |
| 12:39.32 | DerCorny | cph ftw |
| 12:39.45 | HauDyrArb | my other car *ahem* phone is a SE |
| 12:40.00 | Fossi | ERROR: Could not inherit file classes/autotools.bbclass while parsing ... does that mean that i have to install MokoMakefile? |
| 12:40.10 | uzytkownik | ieatlint: Ok. I was afraid I've changed something in configuration |
| 12:40.17 | ieatlint | blame the germans, and their keyboards that have 7-0 as {[]} |
| 12:40.45 | uzytkownik | ieatlint: But what it has in common with USB? |
| 12:41.11 | ieatlint | i've absolutely no idea |
| 12:41.40 | ieatlint | i just know that my german keyboard has 7-0 as {[]} when i press alt-gr + 7-0 |
| 12:41.57 | ieatlint | and i know that it's a known issue when a usb cable is plugged in (even if it's just the wall charger) |
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| 12:42.18 | Stroller | uzytkownik: USB keyboards, silly! |
| 12:43.03 | uzytkownik | Stroller: In this case usb charger... |
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| 12:43.20 | HauDyrArb | ieatlint, i prefer Sony Ericsson over Nokia |
| 12:43.31 | Stroller | uzytkownik: yeah. The Freerunner software just needs to learn the difference, right? |
| 12:43.46 | fragged | Has anyone used the precompiled qemu and openmoko build for Windows? Running it under Virtual Box and its not redrawing ANYTHING unless I move the window |
| 12:44.15 | Stroller | I prefer Sony Ericsson over Nokia if we're nominating a cellphone manufacturer who should be tortured slowly before being banished to the most painful depths of hell |
| 12:44.17 | ieatlint | i've liked my nokias |
| 12:44.28 | ieatlint | although my nokia n80 essentially died after 2 years |
| 12:44.34 | Stroller | I always found Nokias easy to use |
| 12:44.44 | Stroller | I just really dislike Sony-E |
| 12:44.58 | ieatlint | the screen "failed" ... i think it's a loose lcd cable |
| 12:45.02 | uzytkownik | Stroller: May be - I'm not OM dev so I don't know internals but shouldn't nothing change on-screen keyboard? |
| 12:45.17 | ieatlint | need to open it and reseat the cable, as the lcd works at times, and other times just displays white |
| 12:45.24 | Stroller | ieatlint: true |
| 12:45.28 | ieatlint | (phone functions still work fully, just lcd) |
| 12:45.36 | Stroller | Sorry. uzytkownik: true |
| 12:45.44 | mjr | Stroller, it's a tough call really, as I believe both are deserving of that aforementioned honor |
| 12:46.14 | mjr | but since it's _sony_ ericsson, maybe they'd get preference |
| 12:46.31 | ieatlint | yeah, i'm no real sony myself |
| 12:46.56 | ieatlint | bleh, sony fan |
| 12:47.04 | ieatlint | i'm into a bit of beer and some rum |
| 12:47.09 | fragged | As far as the phones go, the Nokia Linux Tablet sent nokia down the toilet for me. I'm not gonna buy a pocket computer in 2007/08 that doesnt have GSIM capabilities |
| 12:47.18 | ieatlint | i like nokia's development |
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| 12:47.39 | ieatlint | i miss the audiobook player... i need to add an app for that to the FR |
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| 12:48.51 | ieatlint | i learnt that when i am sitting a bus or train, or driving, that playing an audio book over a bluetooth headset is actually quite nice |
| 12:48.57 | HauDyrArb | i have had my SE K500i for 4 years now and it's still working battery and all its totaly scratched but no prob. |
| 12:49.42 | Tm_T | ieatlint: audiobook and reasonable pdf reader, that's what we do need, yes :) |
| 12:49.59 | ieatlint | yeah, pdf support is indeed needed |
| 12:50.01 | dlowe | a decent phonebook would be cool too |
| 12:50.09 | ieatlint | xpdf really shouldn't be too hard to power |
| 12:50.10 | ieatlint | blah |
| 12:50.11 | ieatlint | port |
| 12:50.13 | Tm_T | ieatlint: also those functioning with rss-reader |
| 12:50.25 | quickdev | Is it possible to manually send the phone to suspend? |
| 12:50.25 | dlowe | hasn't had his coffee yet. |
| 12:50.36 | Tm_T | ieatlint: iirc there's some pdf reader already, but haven't tried it yet |
| 12:50.37 | leinir | ieatlint: Well, we're kinda hoping to make a mobile companion to amarok at some point... and now the FR is out, that wish might actually come true :) And one of the things that's gotten a lot of work in this new version of the 'rok is audiobook support :) Much niftiness is happening on that front :) |
| 12:51.09 | Tm_T | leinir: heh, true |
| 12:51.22 | Tm_T | leinir: and since Plasma does run on it... |
| 12:51.23 | ieatlint | amarok is decent, but i always regarded it as a bit big |
| 12:51.41 | ieatlint | to my knowledge, amarok doesn't support audiobooks either |
| 12:52.00 | leinir | ieatlint: Well yes, hence why it'll be a mobile companion - we're not going to do this for the FR ;) http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3575 |
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| 12:52.22 | ieatlint | i may end up writing an audiobook app for my own use for the time being |
| 12:52.23 | leinir | Amarok 1.4 didn't do audiobooks particularly well :) |
| 12:52.32 | ieatlint | first i need to recompile bluez with alsa support though |
| 12:52.40 | leinir | But one of our SoK students is doing amazing things with that :) |
| 12:53.02 | ieatlint | SoK? |
| 12:53.04 | HauDyrArb | i use rockbox for listning to audiobooks its the best |
| 12:53.14 | ieatlint | you german and spelling coding with a k, or something else? : |
| 12:53.16 | ieatlint | :P |
| 12:53.22 | Tm_T | ieatlint: Summer Of Kode, KDE ;) |
| 12:53.22 | Mek | summer of kde? :P |
| 12:53.43 | Tm_T | ieatlint: 'tis Kool |
| 12:53.53 | ieatlint | i do like kde |
| 12:54.18 | ieatlint | use it over gnome, but i do admit that gnome is better for system resources, even if too many people insist on trying tp pronounce the g |
| 12:54.30 | leinir | ieatlint: Summer of KDE, yeah, basically it's for people who had projects that were really cool, but some one reason or another ended up not getting a GSoC spot :) |
| 12:55.07 | ieatlint | i'd curse google, but i still want to work for them |
| 12:55.08 | HauDyrArb | it would be nice if you could port RockBox to OM |
| 12:55.30 | Tm_T | ieatlint: heh, it's hard to measure, for me the KDE has seen to be most light in name of usability |
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| 12:55.49 | ieatlint | HauDyrArb, the verb is probably "compile", not port |
| 12:56.26 | ieatlint | Tm_T, well, as i said, i use kde... have for the past 2 years, but i still see it as having a larger footprint |
| 12:56.26 | Tm_T | leinir: any plans made already regarding mobile companion? |
| 12:56.36 | ieatlint | i just have system specs where kde's footprint isn't an issue |
| 12:56.41 | HauDyrArb | meh there is the sound part and it dont use X but maby your right |
| 12:56.50 | ieatlint | but for the FR, where resources are prime... i'd worry about kde |
| 12:56.52 | Tm_T | ieatlint: hmm, it's smaller than GNOME in my system |
| 12:57.01 | Tm_T | ieatlint: oh well, as said, hard to measure |
| 12:57.21 | leinir | Tm_T: Actual plans, no :) i've some idea to start poking at that stuff at Akademy, let's see what happens :) |
| 12:57.23 | Tm_T | ieatlint: btw, I used KDE with 32 and 64 MB ram so... hrrrr |
| 12:57.27 | ieatlint | well, i think running a real window manager on the FR is stupid, and i imagine we'd all agree |
| 12:57.45 | ieatlint | we all know we're better off with a minimal interface |
| 12:57.48 | Tm_T | leinir: heh, shame I have to skip Akademy again this year |
| 12:57.55 | leinir | Tm_T: Aww, why? |
| 12:58.05 | Mek | running amarok on an n810 works just great, I haven't tried it on an openmoko device yet... |
| 12:58.06 | Tm_T | ieatlint: I rather have real window manager which isn't getting my way |
| 12:58.09 | leinir | (not why is it a shame, rather why can't you go ;) ) |
| 12:58.29 | ieatlint | Tm_T, well, there are a lot of people who have got xfce running on it |
| 12:58.34 | leinir | Mek: It's a VGA screen, Amarok is designed for 1024x768 ;) |
| 12:58.44 | ieatlint | if you consider xfce to be a real manager |
| 12:58.46 | Tm_T | leinir: family and work, had new home a month ago, having a baby in few months, had new job this month etc etc... |
| 12:59.03 | leinir | Tm_T: Ah, yeah i see that might stop you a bit :) |
| 12:59.07 | Tm_T | ieatlint: even WindowMaker is real for me :) |
| 12:59.08 | ieatlint | eek, you got your hands full |
| 12:59.17 | ieatlint | i loved windowmaker :) |
| 12:59.34 | Tm_T | ieatlint: I do, and then I also try to be Ubuntu AND KDE developer, and now I have this new FR and... hrrrr |
| 12:59.46 | ieatlint | hehe |
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| 13:00.08 | ieatlint | i'm a gentoo guy myself... not much to develop |
| 13:00.23 | Tm_T | but have to say, I love my family and have loved my new work thus far |
| 13:00.38 | ieatlint | i'm learning python/pygtk on the fly (i'm also a c/++ guy) for some quick FR apps |
| 13:01.17 | Dave | \o/ |
| 13:01.25 | Dave | high-fives ieatlint |
| 13:01.35 | ieatlint | :) |
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| 13:02.14 | ieatlint | i know c, c++ (including OOP) and wrote an advanced python/pygtk app in essentially 3 days... but i can't even get a job doing tech support |
| 13:02.16 | ieatlint | so sad.. |
| 13:02.33 | HauDyrArb | Dave, ieatlint http://jj.am/gallery/d/39452-1/NiceGorillaSharkHighFive.png |
| 13:02.44 | Tm_T | ieatlint: I can't do a thing, but don't tell my boss ;) |
| 13:03.00 | ieatlint | hhee |
| 13:03.07 | ieatlint | am i the gorilla or the fish? |
| 13:03.23 | Dave | haha |
| 13:03.29 | Dave | what the fuck? |
| 13:03.33 | Tm_T | ieatlint: ok, truth, I know a bit this and that, now learning Python in hard way :) |
| 13:03.59 | ieatlint | well, what i need is to get the right connections |
| 13:04.23 | ieatlint | i've no degree, and my resumé is 3 years empty and counting (a father with cancer does that) |
| 13:04.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * rb5eca8a81ee8 10/ (11 files in 5 dirs): [QEmailSupport] adding a hasEmailSupport Feature |
| 13:04.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r55a7d0215d3d 10/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/qtopia |
| 13:04.37 | Dave | ;\ |
| 13:05.09 | Tm_T | ieatlint: I'm now doing server side of "will be large" mobile service, and I'm planning to do/port client to FR too so we'll see if I learn enough, hrrr |
| 13:05.16 | ieatlint | am volunteering in the openmoko booth at linuxworld, i feel like i should go get some business cards made with my contact details to hand out |
| 13:05.30 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQcv3ETEQdM |
| 13:05.32 | Tm_T | ieatlint: I know the feeling, I got my job via fellow ubunteros |
| 13:05.33 | ieatlint | python is easy, i wouldn't worry |
| 13:05.38 | Ainulindale | This video is pretty amazing (it's about invisible shield) |
| 13:05.44 | Dave | :P |
| 13:05.55 | Dave | Ainulindale, no one wants to see it. |
| 13:06.03 | Tm_T | ieatlint: I'm worrying what have the guy before me done, 'tis a mess ;) |
| 13:06.10 | Dave | unless they put it in a blender ;) |
| 13:06.13 | ieatlint | if you know another programming language, you can basically guess python, and look at a reference manual for syntax |
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| 13:06.27 | Tm_T | ieatlint: yup, that's the easy part :) |
| 13:06.37 | Dave | ieatlint, great, teach me python? :D |
| 13:06.53 | Dave | offers payment in pizza and beer |
| 13:06.55 | ieatlint | although it needs to better support c programmers :P |
| 13:07.03 | Dave | heh |
| 13:07.05 | ieatlint | i spend at least 2 hours trying to figure out how to do a struct |
| 13:07.32 | ieatlint | spent |
| 13:07.33 | dlowe | you should send an angry email to Van Rossum, explaining how he should change it |
| 13:07.38 | Dave | haha yeah |
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| 13:07.54 | ieatlint | well, i am displeased about the lack of struct |
| 13:08.05 | Dave | you hatin' on classes? |
| 13:08.16 | ieatlint | it has classes -- which are practically required, but lacks structs?! |
| 13:08.18 | Dave | ;p |
| 13:08.23 | Dave | yeah, I thought that blew |
| 13:08.25 | dlowe | ieatlint: use a tuple :p |
| 13:08.27 | ieatlint | yeah, i am, when it forces classes on me to do structured programming |
| 13:08.38 | Dave | the first time I saw "everything is an object", and tons of imports... I'm like: JAVA! |
| 13:08.47 | Dave | >:O |
| 13:08.51 | ieatlint | tuples don't help |
| 13:08.51 | dlowe | except in java not everything is an object |
| 13:08.58 | Dave | Yes it is |
| 13:09.05 | Dave | everything is a class, anyway |
| 13:09.05 | dlowe | an int isn't an object. An Integer is. |
| 13:09.12 | Dave | ... |
| 13:09.18 | Dave | beats dlowe with some java objects |
| 13:09.21 | ieatlint | yeah, an integer is an int |
| 13:09.36 | dlowe | ints and Integers are different types in java. :p |
| 13:09.48 | ieatlint | java is idiotic |
| 13:09.53 | ieatlint | i miss c and c++ |
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| 13:09.59 | Dave | so in that sense I think python blows |
| 13:10.05 | Dave | or rather just disappoints me a little |
| 13:10.17 | ieatlint | if my wifi app succeeds, i am porting it to C from pygtk |
| 13:10.21 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: don't see why it's idiotic to distinct primary types from object types |
| 13:10.22 | ieatlint | maybe c++ |
| 13:10.29 | fragged | ieatlint, could you recommend any non-archaic C books? Coming from a Python background I'm (hoping) to do the opposite as you ;) |
| 13:10.47 | ieatlint | c99 isn't archaic |
| 13:10.47 | dlowe | Ainulindale: well, transparent boxing and unboxing was figured out a long time ago |
| 13:10.50 | Dave | fragged, hah |
| 13:10.54 | Dave | ieatlint: who said that!? |
| 13:10.54 | ieatlint | you're just looking at it wrong |
| 13:10.58 | ieatlint | C is a base |
| 13:11.04 | dlowe | Ainulindale: I wouldn't say it was idiotic, but it's kind of inconvenient |
| 13:11.10 | Dave | C++0x \o/ |
| 13:11.18 | Stroller | fragged: K&R is just amazing |
| 13:11.31 | ieatlint | c++ does not replace c |
| 13:11.44 | ieatlint | classes without OOP are generally used incorrectly |
| 13:11.54 | Dave | hence python? :P |
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| 13:12.03 | ieatlint | indeed |
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| 13:12.08 | fragged | ieatlint, ah, I learnt Python hoping for it to be an all in one language, and it does lots I wanted it to do (Specifically a Year 12 major project investigation) But now I'm looking to learn something a bit more core; hoping to be able to gain _some_ understanding of the linux kernel |
| 13:12.12 | Stroller | fragged: my profs at uni also had "A Book on C" on the recommended list, and I find it pretty good |
| 13:12.18 | ieatlint | i feel like i'm using some bastardised c++, but very incorrectly |
| 13:12.41 | Dave | haha |
| 13:12.41 | ieatlint | fragged, yeah, learn C |
| 13:12.50 | Dave | be glad you didn't learn java, ieatlint :P |
| 13:12.54 | cnwdup_ | Hello |
| 13:13.00 | ieatlint | oh, i knew about java before i learnt it |
| 13:13.06 | Dave | :O |
| 13:13.08 | ieatlint | i saw enough to go "fuck that" |
| 13:13.19 | Dave | oh, haha, good. :D |
| 13:13.33 | fragged | has to learn java next year at uni, but has only heard bad things about it :( |
| 13:13.38 | ieatlint | people telling me about how much easier it is to use |
| 13:13.38 | Ainulindale | dlowe: Inconvenient, yes, but ieatlint likes to troll, and said "idiotic". |
| 13:14.00 | Stroller | I _love_ Java syntax & OOP, but found the environment impossible |
| 13:14.04 | cnwdup_ | Do I have to load special modules for using the accelerometers? Reading /dev/input/event{2,3} won't output anything. |
| 13:14.11 | ieatlint | my friends describe python as "excellent for small applications, and prototyping ideas" ... i agree with that assessment |
| 13:14.15 | Dave | Unhandled exception error... |
| 13:14.36 | ieatlint | Stroller, unless i'm mistaken, java syntax is essentially c syntax |
| 13:14.37 | Dave | ieatlint, how about perl? :D |
| 13:14.46 | ieatlint | perl is a nasty nasty mess |
| 13:14.51 | Dave | >:) |
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| 13:14.55 | ieatlint | i refused to learn it after being introduced |
| 13:14.55 | Dave | it's nice |
| 13:15.02 | Dave | that's surprising |
| 13:15.08 | ieatlint | i'd rather use php :P |
| 13:15.12 | Dave | considering it's closest to C in syntax (you can write C) |
| 13:15.15 | Dave | BAH! |
| 13:15.18 | Dave | Unbeliever! |
| 13:15.23 | ieatlint | well, take what i say with a grain of salt, i'm speaking opinions |
| 13:15.26 | fragged | ieatlint, coming from python, i'm somewhat scared at the use of variable declaration, but I guess it might be nice to have types that dont change automatically |
| 13:15.48 | ieatlint | python types don't change automatically i though |
| 13:15.49 | ieatlint | t |
| 13:15.54 | Dave | hrm |
| 13:15.58 | ieatlint | they are defined dynamically, but once set, stay |
| 13:16.11 | Dave | promiscuous snakes |
| 13:16.13 | Dave | ;p |
| 13:16.17 | fragged | ah, your actually right |
| 13:16.28 | ieatlint | anyway, having defined and declared variables is actually quite nice |
| 13:16.39 | ieatlint | plus you know exactly what is going on, which i like |
| 13:16.39 | Stroller | ieatlint: maybe, but C doesn't have the OO. I mean, I really liked being able to define an object with Car.horsepower and Car.weight and then CalculatePowerToWeightRatio(Car) |
| 13:17.00 | ieatlint | Stroller, and that's why c++ was made |
| 13:17.27 | Dave | ieatlint, as opposed to, what the fuck is my program doing -- hey wait, I didn't code this -- what the hell is going on!? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGHHHHHHH *while tearing your hair out* |
| 13:17.57 | ieatlint | exactly |
| 13:18.01 | Dave | :D |
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| 13:18.15 | ieatlint | but then, i basically didn't know python on saturday |
| 13:18.17 | Dave | comforts ieatlint |
| 13:18.26 | ieatlint | sunday evening (my birthday!) i started writing an app in python |
| 13:18.34 | Dave | wow, so yeah, any good resources your recommend other than the online syntax documentation? |
| 13:18.37 | Dave | haha neat |
| 13:18.40 | ieatlint | today, it's http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Lint-wifi |
| 13:18.49 | Stroller | ieatlint: but I hear C++ was designed by committee |
| 13:18.57 | Dave | well my problem was, there seemed to be all these great api's already for python |
| 13:19.04 | Dave | but no documentation for them |
| 13:19.13 | Dave | or they are all hiding from me :[ |
| 13:19.21 | Ainulindale | Dave: openmoko APIs ? |
| 13:19.22 | ieatlint | i've only dealt with pygtk, which has very decent documentation on its apis |
| 13:19.23 | Dave | YES |
| 13:19.31 | Ainulindale | Dave: which kind of doc do you want ? |
| 13:19.32 | fragged | Dave, I found that OReilly books on python (google them), and then PyGame actually gave me a good starting point |
| 13:19.36 | Ainulindale | If you want specs I can give you some |
| 13:19.40 | Dave | I have no idea how to use them! |
| 13:19.43 | Ainulindale | http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=otapi/xhtml/docbook-org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xhtml;hb=HEAD#Call::CallStatus <= example |
| 13:20.01 | Openfree | what's the gta02 crystal speed? |
| 13:20.07 | ieatlint | i tried to learn gtk for c at one point... failed |
| 13:20.14 | ieatlint | i learnt pygtk quite quickly |
| 13:20.15 | Ainulindale | Dave: https://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/openmoko-dialer3/src/ophonekitd/?root=shr |
| 13:20.24 | torpor | can someone tell me if SDL-gfx is in the OM build kit? if so, can someone send me the ipk file? |
| 13:20.25 | ieatlint | am hoping that will allow me to learn gtk for c now |
| 13:20.28 | Ainulindale | Here you'll have sources for ophonekitd, part of SHR |
| 13:20.32 | Ainulindale | Which I'm working on |
| 13:20.33 | Dave | For example, two weeks ago, I start writing a gps app, but then I notice that there's apparently a preexisting python api for interfacing with it, so I said, sweet! But how the hell do I use it? I have no information :P |
| 13:20.45 | Ainulindale | That will give you examples about how to use the dbus interfaces (in C though) |
| 13:20.48 | Dave | mmm... sdl |
| 13:20.58 | *** part/#openmoko phr3ak (n=nphr3ak@22-vh-shost.hostoffice.hu) |
| 13:20.58 | Dave | Ainulindale :p |
| 13:21.06 | ieatlint | Ainulindale, nice |
| 13:21.06 | CVirus | Dave: you mean you need a tutorial ? |
| 13:21.09 | Dave | Is that supposed to just be a complex example for me? ;) |
| 13:21.16 | Ainulindale | It's not complex at all Dave |
| 13:21.18 | Dave | CVirus, no, no, though that would certainly be welcome :) |
| 13:21.18 | ieatlint | i've been waiting for the dbus api to stabilise for sms |
| 13:21.19 | Ainulindale | Seriously |
| 13:21.22 | Dave | Ainulindale: okay |
| 13:21.25 | torpor | anyone? |
| 13:21.28 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: API is stable |
| 13:21.31 | ieatlint | grumbles... fucking certificates |
| 13:21.35 | Dave | :D |
| 13:21.41 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: or API is stable enough to do what messages2 does |
| 13:21.47 | Ainulindale | (which we'll do in SHR) |
| 13:21.54 | Dave | hybrids! |
| 13:21.56 | Dave | aaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 13:21.56 | ieatlint | Ainulindale, i want to create a relay app for sms |
| 13:22.04 | Ainulindale | relay in what sense ? |
| 13:22.14 | Dave | man, asu is such a closet image :[ |
| 13:22.18 | dlowe | wonders where the high signal-to-noise openmoko channel is. |
| 13:22.20 | Dave | either that or a whore |
| 13:22.22 | ieatlint | aim (ie, AOL AIM) has shortcodes in the US |
| 13:22.31 | Dave | shortcodes? |
| 13:22.38 | ieatlint | and san francisco's public transit system does too |
| 13:22.39 | torpor | nobody got the OM kit in front of them? please, i really need sdl-gfx |
| 13:22.51 | ieatlint | shortcode is a US thing i guess |
| 13:23.03 | ieatlint | it's a short number you can sms to for info |
| 13:23.03 | Ainulindale | dlowe: cdevel |
| 13:23.10 | Ainulindale | (see topic) |
| 13:23.17 | ieatlint | eg, if i sms GOOGL with "weather 94129" it gives me my weather info |
| 13:23.20 | Dave | ieatlint, oh, yeah |
| 13:23.23 | Dave | no no, yeah I know |
| 13:23.24 | ieatlint | GOOGL is a shortcode |
| 13:23.27 | Dave | all radio stations use them |
| 13:23.29 | Dave | ;p |
| 13:23.32 | Dave | etc |
| 13:23.36 | dlowe | Ainulindale: hah. I never would have noticed that |
| 13:23.38 | Dave | and businesses too |
| 13:23.40 | ieatlint | well, aim uses them too here |
| 13:23.49 | Dave | hah |
| 13:23.51 | ieatlint | and so does MUNI |
| 13:23.54 | torpor | CVirus: you don't ahve OM in front of you? |
| 13:24.00 | ieatlint | so i can say "i'm at this bus stop, how long till the next bus" |
| 13:24.02 | CVirus | torpor: nop .. why ? |
| 13:24.09 | Dave | torpor, oh so you just want the sdl package for openmoko? |
| 13:24.10 | torpor | i need sdl-gfx .. |
| 13:24.14 | ieatlint | if i create a buffer app, i can intercept certain messages and create a client |
| 13:24.14 | torpor | just sdl-gfx |
| 13:24.17 | Dave | nextbus! |
| 13:24.22 | torpor | and the -dev ipk too if its available. |
| 13:24.23 | ieatlint | yep, nextbus |
| 13:24.26 | CVirus | torpor: why are you addressing me explicitly ? |
| 13:24.27 | *** part/#openmoko dlowe (n=dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com) |
| 13:24.28 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: errr |
| 13:24.28 | Dave | yeah, we use it here :P |
| 13:24.30 | torpor | i cna't find it on any of the feeds i'm on but i know its built in OM .. |
| 13:24.32 | Ainulindale | So what's the problem with that ? |
| 13:24.40 | CVirus | torpor: why are you addressing me explicitly ? |
| 13:24.42 | Ainulindale | You just want to send SMSes to numbers ? |
| 13:24.43 | ieatlint | none, apparently |
| 13:24.49 | ieatlint | no |
| 13:24.52 | torpor | CVirus: coz i thought you have OM around .. |
| 13:24.56 | torpor | the build system i mean. |
| 13:24.56 | ieatlint | i want to send smses to numbers (easy) |
| 13:25.02 | ieatlint | but i also want to intercept incoming sms |
| 13:25.07 | Ainulindale | That's easy |
| 13:25.08 | CVirus | torpor: sorry can't help |
| 13:25.11 | torpor | i don't think its being included in the repos, but i know its in OM. i do not have OM. i am compiling on board. |
| 13:25.11 | Dave | ieatlint, so you're saying it doesn't support shortcodes? o_O |
| 13:25.15 | ieatlint | eg, sms coming from "12345" |
| 13:25.25 | ieatlint | Dave, no |
| 13:25.26 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: in frameworkd there are signals, and one in particular is (link incoming) |
| 13:25.28 | torpor | so if someone who has OM available checks for the sdl-gfx package, and sends it to me, then i don't have to set up OM and all that .. |
| 13:25.38 | ieatlint | i haven't looked into the api since FSO didn't support sms |
| 13:25.38 | Ainulindale | http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=otapi/xhtml/docbook-org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.xhtml;hb=HEAD#SMS::IncomingMessage |
| 13:25.42 | ieatlint | i was waiting for milestone2 |
| 13:25.50 | Dave | wtf |
| 13:26.06 | Dave | ieatlint, that's rather disappointing :[ |
| 13:26.46 | ieatlint | my basic interest is to intercept incoming sms based on the incoming number (maybe, on a string of text the message starts with) |
| 13:26.56 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: incoming message gives you an id |
| 13:27.00 | ieatlint | create a daemon for that, and then applications that can be built on that |
| 13:27.01 | Ainulindale | SIM gives you the number |
| 13:27.06 | igor321 | someone was saying something about SHR, how's that coming allong? |
| 13:27.17 | Ainulindale | igor321: fine |
| 13:27.21 | Dave | oh, and torpor, it's totally in repo |
| 13:27.22 | ieatlint | aim and nextbus are two ideas |
| 13:27.23 | Ainulindale | Our daemon is working well enough |
| 13:27.28 | igor321 | really? |
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| 13:27.36 | Ainulindale | We managed to set pin, so we're working on the other UIs |
| 13:27.37 | igor321 | the gtk -- fso one? |
| 13:27.39 | ieatlint | although i "hacked" nextbus a few weeks ago |
| 13:27.42 | torpor | Dave: i can't find it.. |
| 13:27.46 | Ainulindale | igor321: yep |
| 13:27.52 | igor321 | ooo that's really nice |
| 13:27.57 | igor321 | i hate qtopia in x11 |
| 13:27.59 | ieatlint | using nextbus's xml interface, you can get the exact gps coords of the bus |
| 13:28.00 | Ainulindale | I do hope so |
| 13:28.07 | torpor | Dave: where do you see it? |
| 13:28.50 | Dave | torpor, libsdl-1.2, libsdl-image-1.2, libsdl-mixer-1.2, libsdl-net-1.2, libsdl-ttf, also a package xserver-kdrive-sdl |
| 13:28.59 | ieatlint | at some point, i want to write an app that tells you which stop a bus is currently at, and how far it is from you (eg, 1km) |
| 13:28.59 | torpor | yeah but no libsdl-gfx .. |
| 13:29.06 | Dave | oh oh |
| 13:29.09 | Dave | yeah, let me see :) |
| 13:29.18 | torpor | its in OM i'm sure, just not built normally .. |
| 13:29.32 | igor321 | ieatlint: how would you do that? |
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| 13:29.49 | torpor | i had it at one point on my neo1973, but now i'm setting up my freerunner for development and .. well .. things have changed. i'm trying not to use OM to code, but just use the freerunner itself insteadl (compiler-on-board) |
| 13:29.50 | igor321 | buses don't behave in such a deterministic manner :) |
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| 13:29.59 | Fossi | to build some external package from sources, is it really necessary to 'make openmoko-devel-image' with MokoMakefile? |
| 13:30.06 | Ainulindale | Fossi: no |
| 13:30.12 | Ainulindale | Fossi: you should build the toolchain |
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| 13:30.16 | Ainulindale | ~toolchain |
| 13:30.17 | apt | i guess toolchain is at http://handhelds.org/pub/projects/toolchain |
| 13:30.17 | Ainulindale | (test) |
| 13:30.29 | Ainulindale | Fossi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 13:30.33 | ieatlint | igor321, read the coords of the bus from the xml data, store the coords for each bus top (and apply a ~100m discrepency) to report the bus stop |
| 13:30.50 | ieatlint | igor321, then get the phone's gps coords and do a distance check between the bus's and your own |
| 13:31.12 | igor321 | how do you know at which stop the bus is? |
| 13:31.14 | ieatlint | should be pretty simple |
| 13:31.26 | igor321 | what xml data? |
| 13:31.34 | ieatlint | nextbus.com can give xml data |
| 13:31.43 | igor321 | omg that's crazy |
| 13:31.47 | ieatlint | will tell me the gps coords of any bus in the system |
| 13:31.51 | igor321 | where do you live? |
| 13:31.56 | ieatlint | san francisco |
| 13:32.07 | igor321 | noice... |
| 13:32.11 | Dave | bay area \o/ |
| 13:32.16 | ieatlint | their website supports giving estimates for a bus to arrive at each stop |
| 13:32.17 | Dave | ieatlint, want to do lunch sometime :) |
| 13:32.22 | ieatlint | but i want more info |
| 13:32.23 | Dave | oh, nextbus? |
| 13:32.24 | torpor | i used to work in san fran |
| 13:32.27 | Dave | :D |
| 13:32.29 | ieatlint | Dave, sure, where are you? |
| 13:32.30 | torpor | embarcadero center |
| 13:32.32 | Dave | ieatlint, let's be friends. |
| 13:32.34 | torpor | but now i'm in austria. |
| 13:32.36 | Dave | zomg! |
| 13:32.42 | Dave | i have a friend that works there |
| 13:32.49 | ieatlint | i'm low on friends in sf :P |
| 13:32.53 | Dave | ieatlint, I'm actually working on something exactly the same! |
| 13:32.56 | ieatlint | moved from san jose area to hear just last august |
| 13:32.58 | Dave | ieatlint, aww |
| 13:33.04 | torpor | was always fun .. we were on the 38th floor .. had a tally on the wall: # of subs, # of whales observed. |
| 13:33.07 | Dave | san jose, sweet |
| 13:33.08 | torpor | ;) |
| 13:33.10 | ieatlint | here, eep |
| 13:33.18 | Dave | :P |
| 13:33.30 | ieatlint | where in the sfba are you? |
| 13:33.35 | Dave | ieatlint, what, you're not into flaming homosexuals? :p |
| 13:33.39 | torpor | soooo .. how about that sdlgfx package? come on one of you guys has to ahve OM on your machine and can build the .ipk for me .. |
| 13:33.49 | ieatlint | Dave, my best friend is a flaming homosexual :P |
| 13:33.52 | opendeep | how to install python on Neo1973? |
| 13:33.53 | Dave | :D |
| 13:34.02 | torpor | opendeep: opkg install python |
| 13:34.07 | Sup3rkiddo | opendeep, opkg install python |
| 13:34.14 | Ainulindale | hey Sup3rkiddo |
| 13:34.15 | Dave | pet the snake nicely |
| 13:34.17 | ieatlint | my girlfriend is bisexual too (in the "she was dating a woman before me sense") |
| 13:34.28 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, yo....whats cooking? |
| 13:34.29 | Dave | heh |
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| 13:34.41 | Ainulindale | Sup3rkiddo: nice UIs :-) |
| 13:34.44 | ieatlint | i'm a die-hard liberal, and live in the right city for it |
| 13:34.56 | Dave | haha, true enough |
| 13:34.57 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, screenshots or it didnt happen! |
| 13:35.06 | Ainulindale | Sup3rkiddo: I thought you might be helpful. Do you know if dmalloc library has been ported to the neo or is portable ? |
| 13:35.09 | Dave | haha |
| 13:35.16 | leinir | Dave: Snakes are great :) Especially boa constrictors - they give awesome hugs! ;) |
| 13:35.20 | Ainulindale | Sup3rkiddo: no screenshot is useful, you already know how it looks like |
| 13:35.24 | ieatlint | Dave, if you make it to linuxworld, i'll be at the openmoko booth |
| 13:35.26 | Ainulindale | Sup3rkiddo: we kept old GTK ui |
| 13:35.33 | Ainulindale | (SHR / dialer3) |
| 13:35.35 | torpor | Ainulindale: what app? |
| 13:35.43 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, nope....i have no idea....if its in OE, more likely its in OM |
| 13:36.02 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, oh ok....how goes the frameworkd integration? |
| 13:36.02 | Dave | leinir :O |
| 13:36.03 | Ainulindale | Couldn't find it, tried to compile it, but it failed |
| 13:36.07 | Ainulindale | Sup3rkiddo: very fine |
| 13:36.17 | Ainulindale | we're setting pin with an UI, that's a start :-) |
| 13:36.19 | leinir | *giggles* :) |
| 13:36.20 | torpor | pines for sdl gfx .. |
| 13:36.23 | Ainulindale | Next thing is to catch incoming calls |
| 13:36.24 | Fossi | Ainulindale: i have a bitbake receipt from somebidy else for the source i want to compile |
| 13:36.25 | Dave | leinir, by that, you mean, constrict your internal organs to mush? |
| 13:36.28 | Ainulindale | The code to handle the dbus part is already done |
| 13:36.35 | leinir | Dave: Something like that ;) |
| 13:36.36 | Dave | Yes, they clearly have much liking for people |
| 13:36.38 | opendeep | torpor:How to install from web-server like apt-get install? |
| 13:36.38 | Dave | bah |
| 13:36.50 | Dave | ieatlint, unlikely, but we'll see. |
| 13:36.54 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, yeah.... |
| 13:36.57 | Dave | Otherwise, I'll be in PA :) |
| 13:37.01 | Dave | just come on dooooooooown |
| 13:37.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r2426fea5ff02 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/keyboard.cpp: [Keyboard] dismiss the PopupWindow when the keyboard is hidden |
| 13:37.12 | Dave | or if I bbq, I'll invite you :D |
| 13:37.14 | ieatlint | ah... PA |
| 13:37.23 | Dave | I'm in the city a bunch too |
| 13:37.27 | ieatlint | i've got no beef with PA |
| 13:37.31 | Dave | :P |
| 13:37.36 | Dave | ieatlint: right now I'm in joisey :p |
| 13:37.39 | torpor | screw it i'll just compile sdl-gfx from source on te freerunner .. ;) |
| 13:37.41 | ieatlint | well, next time you're in town, give me a holler |
| 13:37.46 | Dave | wrong coast, but we've got nextbus here too :P |
| 13:37.53 | ieatlint | bah, screw jersey :P |
| 13:37.54 | Dave | laughs |
| 13:37.57 | Dave | ieatlint: sure sure |
| 13:38.01 | Dave | ieatlint, agreed :D |
| 13:38.17 | Dave | ieatlint, but hey, they're giving me all you can eat, and all you can handle freerunners :P |
| 13:38.28 | Dave | it's not THAT bad ;) |
| 13:38.48 | ieatlint | well, here in sf, i get decent recent and long prison sentences for breaking the law |
| 13:38.50 | ieatlint | beat that! |
| 13:39.06 | Dave | haha |
| 13:39.08 | ieatlint | bleh, s/recent/rent/ (beer :) |
| 13:39.13 | Dave | oh, haha |
| 13:39.26 | Dave | beers ieatlint |
| 13:39.27 | ieatlint | i live on federal land... |
| 13:39.33 | Dave | o/ |
| 13:39.46 | HauDyrArb | Cheers |
| 13:39.55 | Dave | Hey Arab |
| 13:40.00 | Dave | What's poppin' ? |
| 13:40.16 | Dave | torpor, have you looked in the 1973 repos? :p |
| 13:40.29 | Dave | ieatlint, he must be debugging java :P |
| 13:40.32 | ieatlint | the important thing is that i know a good bar near moscone centre |
| 13:40.33 | Dave | laughs |
| 13:41.05 | ieatlint | is [of] irish [descent] |
| 13:41.06 | HauARRGH | shiver me timbers |
| 13:41.07 | Dave | ieatlint, have you ever been to castro, in mv? |
| 13:41.12 | Dave | haughghg, hahahahaa |
| 13:41.23 | Dave | ieatlint: hahaha, well said ;) |
| 13:41.29 | ieatlint | mv? |
| 13:41.35 | HauARRGH | mid west |
| 13:41.47 | HauARRGH | no thats mw? |
| 13:41.58 | HauARRGH | milli volt |
| 13:42.03 | ieatlint | if mv is some cool place, i need to harass my gay friends for not taking me |
| 13:42.16 | Dave | mv == mountain view |
| 13:42.17 | Dave | sorry :) |
| 13:42.34 | kd8ikt | morning |
| 13:42.35 | Dave | and yes you very much so should :p |
| 13:42.36 | ieatlint | ah, i know mv gays... not been, though |
| 13:42.42 | Dave | :O |
| 13:42.47 | Dave | You absolutely, MUST, go! |
| 13:42.52 | ieatlint | i know a lot of gay people, oddly |
| 13:42.56 | Dave | I mean hey, I'll invite you to google for the day, if you want :) |
| 13:42.57 | ieatlint | and i mean a LOT |
| 13:43.04 | Dave | oddly? |
| 13:43.13 | Dave | takes a step back from ieatlint |
| 13:43.16 | kd8ikt | san fran... thats not odd from what i understand |
| 13:43.17 | ieatlint | sure... i know a number of google employees, but not have invited me :P |
| 13:43.22 | torpor | Dave: yes i have and i didn't find it, sorry. |
| 13:43.36 | torpor | but it doesn't matter coz i'm compiling on my freerunner now from source and it looks like it'll work just as well.. |
| 13:43.38 | ieatlint | uh, it's odd when something like 80% of my friends are gay |
| 13:43.43 | Dave | yeah it's strange, because I can't find it |
| 13:43.55 | Dave | torpor, good! |
| 13:43.59 | Dave | yeah, it just takes a while ;) |
| 13:44.08 | torpor | its not so slow .. |
| 13:44.13 | Dave | ieatlint, aww :) |
| 13:44.26 | Dave | torpor, be glad you're not doing java :P |
| 13:44.29 | Dave | wheeeheeeheee |
| 13:44.35 | Dave | goes insane |
| 13:44.39 | fragged | met this guy once |
| 13:44.41 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 13:44.45 | ieatlint | gay people are nicer :P |
| 13:44.46 | Dave | fragged, uh oh... |
| 13:44.49 | fragged | well, actually, half a day later i found out she was a girl O.o |
| 13:44.51 | Dave | ieatlint: untrue |
| 13:45.00 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 13:45.04 | ieatlint | and when you don't care about being mistaken for gay, it'S a lot of fun |
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| 13:45.26 | ieatlint | Dave, in my experience, it is true |
| 13:45.36 | Dave | Depends, there are a lot of raging homos |
| 13:45.39 | Dave | who will bash your face in |
| 13:45.43 | torpor | yeah |
| 13:45.45 | Dave | and treat you like shit |
| 13:45.56 | torpor | those are called fascists |
| 13:45.56 | Dave | or they're just [as] big assholes |
| 13:45.59 | Dave | hahaha |
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| 13:46.03 | Dave | Excellent! |
| 13:46.10 | ieatlint | well, the ones i've met are initially skeptical of me treating them like shit |
| 13:46.16 | Dave | Let them burn in the fires of unbelieving! |
| 13:46.16 | fragged | Dave, in my experience your best not judging gays by face value, what other people say, and stereotypes |
| 13:46.20 | Dave | ieatlint: haha |
| 13:46.21 | ieatlint | and then, once they realise i actually don't care, are a lot of fun |
| 13:46.23 | HauARRGH | torpor, no gay fascists :-) |
| 13:46.35 | ieatlint | there are a lot of people who claim they're cool, but act all weird |
| 13:46.35 | Dave | fragged: I judge them after staying with them for a week :) |
| 13:46.36 | torpor | oh hell yeah |
| 13:46.37 | torpor | there are tons of gay f |
| 13:46.37 | torpor | ascists |
| 13:46.41 | torpor | the fascists were a bunch of nancy boys |
| 13:47.02 | ieatlint | well, i don't care about calling them a bunch of assholes |
| 13:47.17 | Dave | because in some respects, they clearly are :p |
| 13:47.39 | ieatlint | i've no prejudice, but that doesn't mean i can't hate people |
| 13:47.39 | torpor | himm .. anyone know a replacement for the busybox 'ar' command? |
| 13:47.57 | Dave | Anyhoo, why don't we have an openmoko conference yet!? |
| 13:48.17 | HauARRGH | anyway the worst is the neo natzy gay dwarf hippies! |
| 13:48.24 | ieatlint | come to linuxworld, we'll have one |
| 13:48.27 | Dave | lights a fire under HauARRGH |
| 13:48.30 | fragged | ughh, waiting for genkernel to finish compiling before I can sleep :( |
| 13:48.33 | Dave | ieatlint :) |
| 13:48.40 | Dave | fragged, muwahahaha |
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| 13:48.50 | Dave | hands fragged a pillow |
| 13:48.55 | ieatlint | HauARRGH, i see nothing but hilarity in: neo nazis; dwarves; hippies |
| 13:48.56 | bagpuss_thecat | people can be assholes regardless of their orientation |
| 13:49.03 | fragged | ignores pillow, passes out on keyboard |
| 13:49.06 | Dave | uggh, fucking hippies. |
| 13:49.10 | fragged | gfsdvaAAaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 13:49.16 | Dave | lawl. |
| 13:49.41 | bagpuss_thecat | s'just historically the minorities pull out the minority-get-out-of-jail card when the majority complain about one of them |
| 13:49.48 | ieatlint | god bless a country that's so ignorant i can walk down the street proclaiming i'm a nationalist socialist and have people thinking it's a good thing |
| 13:50.10 | Dave | they more so either don't have a clue what you're talking about, or don't give a shit :) |
| 13:50.13 | ieatlint | err, national socialist ... too many ists :P |
| 13:50.19 | Dave | they're too busy workin' the corner :P |
| 13:50.29 | ieatlint | here, it's not know |
| 13:50.35 | Dave | now ? |
| 13:50.45 | ieatlint | in my german classes, only the teacher seems to know what a national socialist is |
| 13:50.54 | Dave | yeah, right |
| 13:50.58 | Dave | ze germans! |
| 13:50.59 | Dave | :o |
| 13:51.00 | HauARRGH | ieatlint, yep neo nazis are just f'ing stupid and hippies are too far out man, and the dwarfs can always get work in holywood :-) |
| 13:51.01 | fragged | bagpuss_thecat, I've seen many gays act the stereotypical gay; which are quite obviously acting it. On the other hand I know some decent gays that are like that by nature, and also straight acting gays that play aussie rules |
| 13:51.26 | ieatlint | fuck hollywood, the dwarves can get better money on the street panhandling |
| 13:51.33 | Dave | huhu |
| 13:51.36 | Dave | especially in sf |
| 13:51.42 | ieatlint | indeed |
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| 13:51.51 | Dave | little people, big money, baby! |
| 13:52.06 | Dave | I'm sure that could even be turned into a reality show... |
| 13:52.08 | ieatlint | plus, dwarf tossing is legal in california! |
| 13:52.13 | Dave | quickly sells his idea to FOX |
| 13:52.18 | bagpuss_thecat | fragged: true |
| 13:52.54 | ieatlint | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_tossing |
| 13:52.59 | Dave | whee? |
| 13:53.04 | fragged | can someone give fragged $400 for a FR? |
| 13:53.13 | fragged | :D |
| 13:53.20 | Dave | Sorry. |
| 13:53.38 | Dave | Want some pancakes, though? |
| 13:53.44 | ieatlint | fragged, i will give you 100 billion zimbabwean dollars! |
| 13:53.54 | fragged | Meh, only organised a visa card today so I can order shit online, gonna take a couple weeks by which they'll probably be sold out again :( |
| 13:53.59 | Dave | haha, lollerruples. |
| 13:54.13 | fragged | Yah. Mail them to Australia? |
| 13:54.20 | Dave | haha oz |
| 13:54.27 | Dave | sif! |
| 13:55.09 | fragged | :( |
| 13:55.14 | Dave | :p |
| 13:55.17 | ieatlint | "The 100 billion Zimbabwe dollar note, which expires on 31 December 2008, cannot buy a loaf of bread, which now costs at least 120 billion Zimbabwe dollars, but it can purchase four oranges. " |
| 13:55.19 | Dave | tosses a dropbear at fragged |
| 13:55.41 | fragged | Rural Australia too, mind rolling out some ethernet so I can have more than 1500kbps at a reasonable price? |
| 13:55.43 | Dave | ieatlint: hahaha |
| 13:55.43 | fragged | screams as dropbear tears his face apart |
| 13:55.53 | Dave | :DDDD |
| 13:56.04 | Dave | aww |
| 13:56.10 | ieatlint | fragged, but i just offered to give you 4 oranges! |
| 13:56.15 | Dave | haha |
| 13:56.26 | Dave | wurp2|lurking |
| 13:56.38 | fragged | ieatlint, down here, you just steal oranges off trees. In fact in the right months its less than a 200m walk to the nearest orange tree |
| 13:56.43 | beni_ | o yeah, my FR arrives at the beginning of next week |
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| 13:56.57 | Dave | throws clementines at fragged |
| 13:57.13 | fragged | I could ship the oranges, and you could sell them on the Zimbabwe (black?) market; We could make zillions! |
| 13:57.22 | Dave | rofl |
| 13:57.37 | Dave | all your money would expire at the end of the year... |
| 13:57.42 | Dave | s/money/profits/ |
| 13:57.48 | Dave | apt, shush |
| 13:57.48 | apt | Fine, I'll shut up. |
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| 13:57.57 | Dave | Damn right, bitch! |
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| 13:58.04 | Dave | Now get in the kitchen, and make me a python app! |
| 13:58.19 | fragged | Mhm, how widespread is the knowlege of that thumb-keyboard? |
| 13:58.20 | ieatlint | fragged, clearly you don't need these zimbabwean dollars, so forget it |
| 13:58.34 | Dave | :D |
| 13:58.42 | Dave | retraciles. |
| 13:59.07 | ieatlint | ok, i'm going to bed |
| 13:59.11 | Dave | Aw |
| 13:59.11 | ieatlint | being 7am and all |
| 13:59.16 | Dave | yeah... |
| 13:59.22 | Dave | What did you do all night? |
| 13:59.25 | Dave | python python python? |
| 13:59.32 | Dave | with an occasional badger? |
| 13:59.34 | ieatlint | i had some beer |
| 13:59.39 | ieatlint | i watched a movie |
| 13:59.44 | ieatlint | and i did some programming |
| 13:59.52 | Dave | Good for you :) |
| 13:59.57 | Dave | high-fives ieatlint |
| 14:00.09 | ieatlint | ok, cya |
| 14:00.10 | Dave | is reminded of that absurdly amusing Shark Gorilla thing. |
| 14:00.14 | Dave | Later. |
| 14:00.17 | fragged | peace |
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| 14:01.13 | fragged | He's my hero. Wish I could program all night but I have a maths exam a week from today, which I only just found out I had :( |
| 14:01.33 | torpor | w00t! |
| 14:01.39 | torpor | my SDL game runs on the freerunner! :) |
| 14:01.51 | torpor | now i just gotta figure out how to use the accelerometers and i'm ready to publish! :) |
| 14:01.55 | Dave | :D |
| 14:02.04 | Dave | Now I must steal torpor's code. |
| 14:02.07 | TAsn | hehe 1 850 legt |
| 14:02.09 | TAsn | left |
| 14:02.24 | opendeep | Dave: I want to install python on Neo1973 but It take lot of space , is there any package which take less memory? |
| 14:02.26 | torpor | hmm. |
| 14:02.30 | torpor | sdl doesn't look too good though. |
| 14:02.31 | Dave | it does? |
| 14:02.45 | Dave | torpor, in general? or on the freerunner thus far? |
| 14:02.50 | torpor | opendeep: you need a SD card to properly set up python on the neo1973 . coz the neo doesn't have the storage to support python. |
| 14:03.05 | torpor | Dave: i mean on the freerunner .. seems a bit .. buggy .. |
| 14:03.10 | Dave | you do? o_O |
| 14:03.12 | torpor | but at least i can compile now and that is fun .. |
| 14:03.16 | Dave | why do you require a sd card? |
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| 14:03.35 | fragged | Speaking of SDL, asked earlier, I downloaded Qemu prebuilt for windows, and the FR pre-compiled windows specific image, and it would work properly, but failed to redraw the screen unless I moved the window. I was running in a VirtualBox VM, but I noticed a second sdl.dll with the FR image so not sure. Any suggestions? |
| 14:03.37 | Dave | oh, does the gta01 have shitty internal memory? |
| 14:03.39 | torpor | coz python is fat and the default install for om (assuming your using om) leaves only .. like .. 6 megs free or some such shit .. |
| 14:03.54 | torpor | dave its oonly got 64megs of NAND .. |
| 14:03.55 | mjr | Dave, just only 64 megs of it |
| 14:03.58 | Dave | OH |
| 14:03.59 | Dave | :P |
| 14:04.02 | Dave | shitty. |
| 14:04.10 | mjr | but piffles, sd installation is fine |
| 14:04.10 | Dave | FAT SNAKES |
| 14:04.12 | torpor | best thing to do is boot on SD with the neo.. |
| 14:04.17 | torpor | or use unionfs |
| 14:04.21 | Dave | hopes leinir isn't hearing this. |
| 14:04.42 | leinir | Dave: That's what happens when snakes like you too much... ;) |
| 14:04.46 | Dave | or better yet, create your own filesystem! |
| 14:04.48 | Dave | :O |
| 14:04.53 | Dave | hoenoes, it's leinir! |
| 14:04.54 | Dave | run! |
| 14:05.12 | opendeep | torpor: ok, thanks |
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| 14:06.39 | Dave | howdy Tim |
| 14:08.45 | igor321 | torpor: maybe a link to your game? |
| 14:08.55 | torpor | its not ready yet |
| 14:08.59 | torpor | but when its ready i'll put it up. |
| 14:09.09 | igor321 | kk |
| 14:09.35 | torpor | i'm working on a couple things: a tutorial for how to make native apps (GTK) for OM2007.2 usingthe onboard compiler environment. and then when thats done i'll also do a tutorial on SDL games writing for the freerunner, using my game as the demo source. |
| 14:09.44 | torpor | don't worry i'll let folks know in here when its ready for a bit of testing. |
| 14:10.03 | wastrel | tutorial nice |
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| 14:12.23 | Fossi | torpor: how is graphic performance? |
| 14:12.37 | torpor | not too shabby but my app is pretty basic. its a very small and generic shooter. |
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| 14:12.51 | Fossi | torpor: i think of trying to port crystalspace over, but i don't know if it's worth it yet without 3d acceleration |
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| 14:17.33 | igor321 | Fossi: 3D prolly won't be available.. why not try software? |
| 14:17.44 | igor321 | at qvga it should be fluid |
| 14:17.47 | Dave | DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM |
| 14:18.12 | fragged | ok guys, i'm off to bed; might lurk in here from now on in my spare time D: |
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| 14:20.13 | Dave | later, fraggy :p |
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| 14:22.17 | joejarvis | hi folks, new to channel and trying to troubleshoot WLAN. any network gurus out there? |
| 14:23.49 | Tm_T | joejarvis: old rule of IRC: don't ask to ask, just ask ;) |
| 14:24.51 | joejarvis | Tm_T: new to IRC as well, so getting sea legs. |
| 14:25.05 | joejarvis | so my freerunner doesn't appear to see eth0 |
| 14:25.07 | Stroller | Hmmmn... I wonder if there's a way to make the bot say that |
| 14:25.10 | Tm_T | joejarvis: yeh, welcome :) |
| 14:25.12 | Stroller | ~_~ |
| 14:25.13 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 14:25.27 | Tm_T | apt: doing what? |
| 14:25.57 | joejarvis | is there a module that needs to load the driver for the WLAN chip? or is it the kernel? |
| 14:27.18 | Stroller | oooh |
| 14:27.23 | Stroller | Ok. Someone did it already |
| 14:27.26 | Stroller | ~ask |
| 14:27.27 | apt | ask is probably Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
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| 14:30.49 | Dave | Will Riker |
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| 14:31.04 | nuclear_eclipse | Number One |
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| 14:33.43 | TimRiker | eh... I'm what, Will's great great great grandfather? or I blame my brother, depending on what Will does. |
| 14:33.53 | kd8ikt | cat /sys/class/net/eth0/ |
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| 14:35.11 | araujo | Hello everyone |
| 14:35.19 | joejarvis | kd8ikt: cat: can't open '/sys/class/net/eth0': No such file or directory |
| 14:35.23 | Dave | HOW ARE YOU, ARAUJO? |
| 14:35.32 | Fossi | compiling erlang and crystalspace with toolchain works like a charm |
| 14:35.34 | nuclear_eclipse | WHY ARE WE YELLING? |
| 14:35.34 | Fossi | not. |
| 14:35.39 | araujo | thinking about getting the Neo Freerunner |
| 14:35.43 | araujo | Hi dantalizing |
| 14:35.43 | Dave | Nuclear Wessels! |
| 14:35.44 | araujo | er |
| 14:35.46 | araujo | hi Dave |
| 14:35.54 | Dave | hah :) |
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| 14:36.14 | araujo | I was checking the site.. so 850 still on stock right? |
| 14:36.25 | Fossi | seems like om-conf can't cope with neither CS's heavy m4 and jam usage nor the erlang bootstraping |
| 14:36.28 | araujo | Though I read next shipment is about for tomorrow? |
| 14:36.43 | nuclear_eclipse | Fossi: I couldn't get om-conf to handle much at all =\ |
| 14:36.43 | Fossi | guess i'll have to compile natively |
| 14:36.48 | dantalizing | morning araujo |
| 14:36.55 | araujo | morning dantalizing |
| 14:36.56 | araujo | :-] |
| 14:37.01 | Dave | :p |
| 14:39.08 | TAsn | araujo, one left. |
| 14:39.18 | araujo | TAsn, hah, really? |
| 14:39.26 | Dave | oh man, these textual adventures have the most terrible puns :p |
| 14:39.28 | Dave | teehee |
| 14:39.30 | TAsn | as for 10 mins ago. |
| 14:39.34 | TAsn | :) |
| 14:39.39 | TAsn | dunno about now. |
| 14:40.25 | araujo | TAsn, there is scheduled a new shipment tomorrow? |
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| 14:41.53 | TAsn | i really hope so, since I want to order mine tomorrow :{ |
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| 14:42.06 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 14:42.07 | TAsn | s/:{/:) |
| 14:42.09 | araujo | ah good |
| 14:42.28 | araujo | well, I want to get a 900 |
| 14:42.33 | TAsn | same here. |
| 14:42.33 | araujo | if possible, so I am waiting too |
| 14:43.44 | Dave | :p |
| 14:45.37 | jtickle | so what's the deal with the keyboard in ASU? |
| 14:45.48 | neldoreth | a 900? |
| 14:45.55 | jtickle | all of my searching shows that there was a qwerty button, but it was removed because the keyboard comes up automatically |
| 14:46.12 | jtickle | but my keyboard never comes up automatically |
| 14:46.17 | jtickle | 850 |
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| 14:46.52 | joejarvis | kd8ikt: other ideas? |
| 14:46.59 | neldoreth | what does that number say? :> |
| 14:47.14 | TAsn | gsm band. |
| 14:51.06 | neldoreth | ah thx |
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| 14:54.07 | thomasgruebler | hello |
| 14:54.16 | thomasgruebler | i have my freerunner since today |
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| 14:54.22 | thomasgruebler | now i tried to flash a new kernel |
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| 14:54.39 | thomasgruebler | ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uIma..... |
| 14:55.11 | thomasgruebler | dfu-util printed out it's copyright and then nothing happened |
| 14:55.33 | thomasgruebler | and now the display (i think the whole freerunner) is turned off |
| 14:56.36 | richie23 | hello all! i have a problem with mokomakefile that has already been posted a few times on the net but w/o any solution... |
| 14:56.36 | richie23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.36 | richie23 | cp: cannot stat `/root/freerunner/mmf_freerunner/openembedded/packages/linux/linux-2.6.21/defconfig': No such file or directory |
| 14:56.36 | richie23 | NOTE: package linux-2.6.21-r12: task do_unpack: failed |
| 14:56.36 | richie23 | any hints? |
| 14:57.03 | nite613 | thomasgruebler: The bootloader will time out and turn off after inactivity |
| 14:57.17 | thomasgruebler | ok so what have i donw wrong |
| 14:57.25 | nite613 | before flashing you must "Set console to USB" or otherwise eliminate the timeout as suggested on the flashing page in the wiki |
| 14:57.34 | thomasgruebler | ok thanks |
| 14:57.53 | richie23 | is there any defconfig i can safely copy to openembedded/packages/linux/linux-2.6.21/? |
| 14:58.21 | thomasgruebler | now the next try |
| 14:58.31 | thomasgruebler | nothing happens... |
| 14:58.42 | kd8ikt | joejarvis: what are trying to do |
| 15:00.20 | nite613 | thomasgruebler: Did you successfully get to the bootloader console over USB? |
| 15:00.43 | joejarvis | kd8ikt: trying 'ifup eth0', but error messages suggest no eth0 device. it's as if kernel/hal/udev hasn't recognized/created device |
| 15:00.46 | thomasgruebler | yes. the bootloader told me then "press aux to return to boot menu" |
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| 15:01.30 | kd8ikt | because its not defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:01.40 | joejarvis | kd8ikt: it's defined there |
| 15:02.11 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifiweasel |
| 15:02.14 | joejarvis | kd8ikt: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 15:02.15 | joejarvis | wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 15:04.37 | nite613 | thomasgruebler: No, I mean have you connected from your main computer to the bootloader console using 'cu' ? |
| 15:04.47 | nite613 | I'm trying to figure out if your USB connection is working correctly |
| 15:04.48 | thomasgruebler | no |
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| 15:05.00 | nite613 | If it's not, then ./dfu-util won't work |
| 15:05.05 | thomasgruebler | there is nothing on the "getting started wiki page ! |
| 15:05.23 | thomasgruebler | ok thanks |
| 15:05.24 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r4554 10/developers/werner/ols2008/ (8 files): OLS 2008 presentation. |
| 15:06.04 | thomasgruebler | is there high voltage on the gps connector? i think so.... |
| 15:06.23 | joejarvis | kd8ikt: i don't think w will help. it's just automating the manual commands that I'm typing and that fail. ifconfig, ifup, and iwlist eth0 scanning all fail for lack of device. |
| 15:06.23 | thomasgruebler | ^^ |
| 15:06.34 | SpeedEvil | should be 3v or so thomasgruebler |
| 15:06.44 | nite613 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_Openmoko does mention using cu, but not very clearly try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Using_usbtty_from_Linux |
| 15:06.49 | thomasgruebler | ok so why do i get a shock ^^ |
| 15:07.01 | SpeedEvil | Is it plugged in? |
| 15:07.04 | SpeedEvil | thom: |
| 15:07.14 | SpeedEvil | thomasgruebler: unplug the USB lead, and touch the shell. |
| 15:07.15 | thomasgruebler | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner/de |
| 15:07.18 | SpeedEvil | you'll get the same shock. |
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| 15:08.01 | thomasgruebler | crazy |
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| 15:08.23 | SpeedEvil | Is your computer plugged into an otuput without a ground, or is it a laptop? |
| 15:08.31 | kd8ikt | all ya need to do is run wpa and then udhcpc |
| 15:08.40 | kd8ikt | joejarvis: |
| 15:08.57 | kd8ikt | because its not defined in /etc/network/interfacesfig |
| 15:09.08 | kd8ikt | i mean |
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| 15:09.16 | kd8ikt | noneed for all that ifstuff |
| 15:10.19 | thomasgruebler | ok i don't get a ttyACM... |
| 15:10.48 | richie23 | no one having a hint for the defconfig problem? |
| 15:11.10 | joejarvis | kd8ikt: it is defined in /etc/network/interfaces : iface eth0 inet dhcp [new line] wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 15:12.37 | Zorkman | does the resume work already a bit more reliable on the ASU? |
| 15:12.56 | nite613 | thomasgruebler: Then there is some config required on your main linux machine. I don't know the details since it "just works" in debian and in ubuntu for me |
| 15:13.12 | thomasgruebler | i have sidux, debian sid based |
| 15:13.32 | nite613 | thomasgruebler: probably a module required, I really don't know the details, though |
| 15:14.18 | nite613 | thomasgruebler: cdc_acm is the module I think |
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| 15:14.52 | Dave | Zorkman! |
| 15:14.57 | Dave | Hello speedevil :) |
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| 15:15.36 | thomasgruebler | thanks |
| 15:15.43 | nite613 | np |
| 15:15.47 | nite613 | hope you get it working :) |
| 15:15.50 | Zorkman | hi Dave |
| 15:15.53 | thomasgruebler | is it needed to do this? or is it enough when i use opkg upgrade? |
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| 15:17.10 | nite613 | thomasgruebler: I remember reading that a flash kernel is faster than installing a new one with opkg, but TBH I'm not sure how upgrading the kernel with opkg would even work. Maybe someone else can explain |
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| 15:17.27 | thomasgruebler | okay |
| 15:17.41 | nite613 | would guess that flashing into the kernel area in NAND is the only way to upgrade kernel |
| 15:17.47 | thomasgruebler | i have another idea |
| 15:17.51 | thomasgruebler | my laptop is the problem |
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| 15:18.26 | thomasgruebler | i have sometimes problems that my devices i connect with my usb hub (about 10) doesn't work always |
| 15:18.37 | thomasgruebler | and then no usb works ^^ |
| 15:18.38 | nite613 | yeah, it is. It needs the cdc_acm module installed in order for ttyACM device to appear |
| 15:18.42 | thomasgruebler | bye i have to reboot |
| 15:18.44 | nite613 | ahh |
| 15:18.49 | nite613 | that could do it! :) |
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| 15:24.05 | Dave | bahahaha |
| 15:24.17 | Dave | What's new, Zorkman? :) |
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| 15:27.09 | Chox | D. |
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| 15:31.48 | opendeep | I want to connect to SD card , so I mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 , it's giving device does not exist, how to connect SD? |
| 15:32.10 | thomasgruebler | ok cu works now |
| 15:32.31 | thomasgruebler | More than one DFU capable USB device found, you might try `--list' and then disconnect all but one device |
| 15:32.37 | thomasgruebler | dfu already has a problem |
| 15:32.47 | TimRikerOLS | what are the recommended images for a neo these days? |
| 15:32.57 | thomasgruebler | but the gta and some devices in my laptop are the only conncted devices |
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| 15:33.47 | TimRikerOLS | has a gta01bv4 |
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| 15:35.34 | thomasgruebler | yea it works |
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| 15:39.20 | opendeep | How to see what data is there on SD card? |
| 15:39.29 | Chox | cat /proc/partitions |
| 15:39.34 | Tm_T | heh |
| 15:40.02 | Chox | but it should be mounted already at /media/card |
| 15:40.12 | nite613 | thomasgruebler: You can use --list to find the moko and then -d to specify it |
| 15:40.20 | kd8ikt | /mnt/card + /media/card |
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| 15:41.07 | kd8ikt | whats weird was when i first got my phone my card had data on it already |
| 15:41.08 | Chox | kd8ikt: if only that made sense. |
| 15:41.25 | kd8ikt | they are linked |
| 15:41.35 | Chox | IC. |
| 15:41.36 | opendeep | kd8ikt:can you tell me how to mount SD card? |
| 15:41.44 | kd8ikt | but anyway what i was saying some FIC perve put pr0n on my card! |
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| 15:41.53 | Chox | opendeep: repeating yourself over and over won't help if you won't follow instructions |
| 15:42.31 | kd8ikt | it should of automounted |
| 15:42.37 | Chox | _have_ :p |
| 15:42.38 | kd8ikt | cat /etc/fstab |
| 15:43.12 | Dave | C. |
| 15:43.31 | Dave | kd8ikt o_O |
| 15:43.38 | Dave | phone pr0n? |
| 15:43.51 | Andre613_ | I got a funky sd card-related problem. I installed yesterday's daily build image on my FR. Things ran smoothely, 'til it went in standby mode. When it came back from standby mode, the FR coudln't read the partition table anymore... anyone got ideas? |
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| 15:44.16 | Chox | sounds like a bug :o |
| 15:44.32 | Stroller | Andre613_: a bit of discussion on this on -community th elast 12 hours |
| 15:44.44 | Andre613_ | thanks Stroller, I'll check out the logs |
| 15:45.14 | kd8ikt | er i said company too many timesyeah and now that i think of it, it was in the path $ROOT/davesanimalpr0n |
| 15:45.24 | Stroller | Someone has been having trouble for a few days, now can reproduce it & documented it. |
| 15:45.31 | Chox | how did you have $ROOT in the filename? |
| 15:45.38 | Chox | thinks you are lying! |
| 15:45.46 | kd8ikt | chox stfu |
| 15:45.58 | Tm_T | kd8ikt: that isn't nice, son |
| 15:46.09 | Chox | Anyway, I happen to know that Dave is into granny stuff. |
| 15:46.13 | Chox | not animals. |
| 15:47.09 | opendeep | Chox: sorry, I am not aware of what you are saying is for my query. |
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| 15:50.13 | Dave | :O |
| 15:50.18 | Dave | Chocky stuff ;p |
| 15:50.24 | Dave | >:) |
| 15:50.27 | Chox | woot! |
| 15:52.04 | roterguru | hi |
| 15:52.20 | Dave | Hallo |
| 15:52.31 | Chox | Halo |
| 15:53.11 | TimRikerOLS | flashes 0430 |
| 15:53.24 | Dave | hah |
| 15:53.40 | Dave | flashes leinir |
| 15:53.56 | leinir | takes pictures and sticks them up on Flickr ;) |
| 15:53.59 | Dave | :P~ |
| 15:54.02 | roterguru | I got my freerunner yesterday, and already have a Kubuntu Live CD. Now I want to flash a new Image. D'you know a tutorial? My problem seems to be, that dfu-util isn't available. |
| 15:54.03 | Chox | fails to think up a suitable flashing remonstration |
| 15:54.03 | Dave | woot |
| 15:54.16 | Chox | roterguru: read the getting started guide. |
| 15:54.20 | Dave | sure it is! |
| 15:54.29 | roterguru | I already read it |
| 15:54.30 | Chox | including the bit on where to get it :o |
| 15:54.47 | Dave | rotger, check out the Getting_Started_with_your Freerunner page on the wiki |
| 15:55.01 | roterguru | which point? on getting started? |
| 15:55.13 | opendeep | Chox: it seems SD is not mounted. when I umount /media/card , got umount: /media/card: not mounted, Is it right? |
| 15:55.23 | Dave | flashing your freerunner part? :P |
| 15:55.27 | kd8ikt | ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage.bin |
| 15:55.27 | Dave | it has a link to dfu-util |
| 15:55.49 | kd8ikt | ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D openmoko.jffs |
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| 15:56.07 | Chox | kd8ikt: I think you missed the point. |
| 15:56.16 | Chox | his question was where to get dfu-util |
| 15:56.42 | balrog-kun | kd8ikt: you can install it into /usr/local/bin and you can skip the ./ :) |
| 15:56.56 | Dave | ./dfu-util -a tentaclerape -R -D microsoft.bin |
| 15:57.06 | roterguru | I didn't found the flashing point in the content box, but now I found a link :) thx |
| 15:57.15 | Dave | balrogkun, well, aren't we a smartypants :p |
| 15:57.17 | Chox | ./dfu-util -a brain -R -D choxspecial |
| 15:57.47 | balrog-kun | ;) |
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| 15:57.56 | Dave | :) |
| 15:58.14 | roterguru | what's a good page to start looking for images? |
| 15:58.20 | Chox | heh |
| 15:58.27 | balrog-kun | magic command: ./dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D ./dfu-util |
| 15:58.29 | Dave | start looking for images? |
| 15:58.29 | Chox | again, read all of the getting started guide |
| 15:58.32 | Dave | the images pacge |
| 15:58.33 | Dave | page |
| 15:58.42 | Dave | it details all the different queer flavors |
| 15:58.55 | Dave | then hit up buildhost/daily/FR for all your image needs |
| 15:58.58 | Chox | Dave: dammit, are you saying my FR is gay? |
| 15:59.06 | Dave | or the respective repos are linked from the images page on the wiki |
| 15:59.09 | Dave | chox ;p |
| 15:59.16 | Dave | I'm not sayin' nuttin' :p |
| 16:00.02 | Chox | next you'll be telling me I have to go _outside_! |
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| 16:03.55 | roterguru | can you explain me *please* what's the root file system is ? |
| 16:03.56 | Dave | hah |
| 16:04.07 | Dave | roterguru, it contains all your files and data |
| 16:04.14 | balrog-kun | roterguru: you might want to ask in #linux |
| 16:04.17 | Dave | essentially the entire operating system |
| 16:04.18 | Dave | heeheehee |
| 16:04.26 | roterguru | so programs? |
| 16:04.29 | Dave | YES |
| 16:04.31 | nite613 | yes |
| 16:04.33 | Dave | All your programs... |
| 16:04.39 | Tm_T | roterguru: all of it, even devices, in some way |
| 16:04.43 | Chox | yes, apart from the kernel, at least in the default setup |
| 16:04.43 | Dave | ... are belong to chocky. |
| 16:04.44 | balrog-kun | everything and more |
| 16:04.49 | Chox | Dave: score! |
| 16:04.51 | Dave | :p |
| 16:05.23 | roterguru | thx |
| 16:06.54 | Dave | Ahl be bahk. |
| 16:07.38 | roterguru | Open source would die if community doesn't help newcomers/noobs ... |
| 16:07.45 | Chox | true. |
| 16:08.05 | Chox | but that's true of any group/technology |
| 16:08.22 | Dave | *cough* debian *cough* |
| 16:08.38 | Dave | :D |
| 16:08.42 | Chox | well, ok. that has a critical mass such that it has a life of its own. |
| 16:08.49 | Dave | Well, maybe as of eight years ago. |
| 16:08.59 | Dave | bleeds the noobs. |
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| 16:09.26 | Chox | used to live but a mile from Steve McIntyre. |
| 16:09.53 | Tauop | Open source would die if community doesn't help newcomers/noobs ... => that's not a reason for noobs to not help themself (by searching a little, by reading faq, .. ) before asking for help. |
| 16:09.54 | Dave | yeah well at least you weren't around the block from Steve Jobs |
| 16:10.04 | Dave | tauop huhuhu |
| 16:10.07 | Dave | but of course |
| 16:10.10 | Chox | well, indeed. Besides, Steve M. is a good guy |
| 16:10.14 | Dave | most are individually driven |
| 16:10.16 | Dave | :P |
| 16:10.39 | balrog-kun | Tauop: anything is a good reason |
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| 16:11.26 | Tauop | balrog-kun: haha so if there are no good reasons, there are no good consequences :D ? |
| 16:11.42 | Tauop | so all is badness. |
| 16:12.03 | Dave | I am the greetest! Now I am leaving Earth forever, for no raisin! |
| 16:12.20 | Chox | have your raisin cake and ice it too? |
| 16:12.23 | roterguru | tauop, if english isn't your mother language, and you don't write the heading "flashing your neo" in the content box, it's easily overseen, and I entered the keywords in google, but didn't get proper results.. |
| 16:12.25 | balrog-kun | Dave: please stay |
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| 16:12.45 | balrog-kun | ! |
| 16:12.51 | Chox | suggests that Dave has copelling things to do outside of IRC, unlike myself |
| 16:12.55 | Chox | compelling |
| 16:13.23 | kd8ikt | ieatlint: ping |
| 16:13.27 | Dave | Aw :) |
| 16:13.33 | Tauop | roterguru: but you search for an answer first. That's good. |
| 16:13.39 | Chox | roterguru: true, however the getting started guide does cover all this :o |
| 16:14.00 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra06d6de89256 10/ (10 files in 3 dirs): fix a bunch of logger calls |
| 16:14.00 | Dave | Yes, it has become unnaturally extensive -_- |
| 16:14.00 | Chox | appreciates that it's horribly disorganized |
| 16:14.05 | Dave | haha |
| 16:14.07 | Dave | high-fives Chox |
| 16:14.23 | Chox | still, a complete mess is better than an incomplete one |
| 16:14.24 | Tauop | roterguru: but if you type "neo", you have to know that it refers to "neolithism", "matrix", and so on :D |
| 16:14.26 | Dave | Yeah, it's become disgusting. |
| 16:14.45 | Chox | it's like a half-wit vs a complete idiot. |
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| 16:15.23 | roterguru | I always search the web first :) and I tried a various of keywords... maybe I should switch to google.com instead of de to get better results |
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| 16:15.52 | balrog-kun | googling freerunner no longer gives any results about freerunning on the first page tho :( |
| 16:15.52 | Tauop | roterguru: or |
| 16:16.01 | balrog-kun | only some nerdy geeky stuff |
| 16:16.53 | Chox | lucky that you can look at the wiki! |
| 16:18.04 | Tauop | heu.. is it so hard ? -> http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=flashing+openmoko |
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| 16:18.20 | Tauop | first link : wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko |
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| 16:20.27 | roterguru | I used 'flash' instead of 'flashing' ... all think you I have to learn |
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| 16:21.06 | roterguru | things |
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| 16:22.15 | roterguru | cu |
| 16:22.55 | TimRikerOLS | flashed 20080430 but X won't finish starting up. I see the panel, but still have plese wait... on screen. |
| 16:22.57 | TimRikerOLS | thoughts? |
| 16:23.17 | TimRikerOLS | remote ssh works fine. |
| 16:23.25 | SpeedEvil | if this was last year, I'd be suggesting nand erase. |
| 16:23.34 | SpeedEvil | But that can't be still not fixed. |
| 16:23.37 | TimRikerOLS | [openmoko-today] <defunct> |
| 16:23.42 | Chox | such a veteran |
| 16:23.49 | TimRikerOLS | [phone-kit] <defunct> |
| 16:24.08 | TimRikerOLS | hmm. I don't recall which u-boot this unit is running. perhaps I need to upgrade that too. |
| 16:24.19 | TimRikerOLS | it's been a long time since I reflashed this one. |
| 16:24.25 | Chox | it's 9.30am - can I go home yet? |
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| 16:25.06 | stefan_schmidt | TimRikerOLS: Just pester Werner after his keynote. He should be able tpo help you with uboot. :) |
| 16:25.30 | TimRikerOLS | nods. stefan_schmidt, are you here? |
| 16:25.31 | stefan_schmidt | TimRikerOLS: I mean you are already at OLS. So use this fact for you. :) |
| 16:25.36 | railer | anyone know the matchbox keyboard patch? |
| 16:25.37 | stefan_schmidt | TimRikerOLS: Sadly not |
| 16:25.51 | stefan_schmidt | TimRikerOLS: Never been there. :( |
| 16:25.56 | Chox | railer: on teh wiki lawlz. |
| 16:25.57 | TimRikerOLS | bummer, we'll have to meet face to face eventually. :) |
| 16:26.18 | stefan_schmidt | TimRikerOLS: Would be good sometime |
| 16:26.36 | railer | beside it's just matchbox-keyboard, should have tried before asking :-* |
| 16:26.57 | stefan_schmidt | TimRikerOLS: But as you are from US our conference schedules don't really match I fear. |
| 16:28.59 | TimRikerOLS | nods |
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| 16:29.39 | TimRikerOLS | what u-boot should I be using on a 1bv4? |
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| 16:30.20 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, there are no real issues with the old version - otehr than the nand erase thing. |
| 16:30.31 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, there are no real issues with the old version - otehr than the nand erase rootfs thing. |
| 16:30.37 | SpeedEvil | nand erase'd be bad. |
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| 16:32.05 | TimRikerOLS | (openmoko-today:1523): libecal-WARNING **: Cannot activate ECal: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch requested, but X11 support not compiled in. |
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| 16:34.30 | thomasgruebler_ | so i have another problem now |
| 16:34.32 | thomasgruebler_ | a bit big |
| 16:34.57 | thomasgruebler_ | my wlan ip adress on my laptop is 192.168.0.127 via dhcp. |
| 16:35.12 | thomasgruebler_ | my usb net freerunner uses 192.168.0.200 |
| 16:36.07 | thomasgruebler_ | with some tricks i can use it both at the same time now but i don't know how i cat attach the neo to wlan (wpa2) internet or usb-lan internet to download some required software |
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| 16:36.45 | Chox | you don't say what your specific problem is. The wiki talks about USB networking in some detail. |
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| 16:36.51 | thomasgruebler_ | even when i go through the tutorial for wlan on the freerunner page in the wiki some software is missing. |
| 16:37.24 | thomasgruebler_ | yes my problem is when i have both the same ip adress class the tutorial to get usb networking doesn't work |
| 16:37.35 | thomasgruebler_ | and i cannot change my internal ip adress |
| 16:37.44 | Chox | no. |
| 16:37.50 | Chox | you haven't said your exact problem |
| 16:37.56 | stefan_schmidt | TimRikerOLS: This old one was known good. Fixed the nand erase bug:http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6+svn20070819-r0.bin |
| 16:37.57 | Chox | just "some software is missing" |
| 16:38.13 | Sargun | I wonder wtf Intel is thinking with: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080723-intel-launches-new-tolapai-system-on-a-chip-design.html |
| 16:38.14 | Chox | nor what "doesn't work" is. |
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| 16:38.20 | stefan_schmidt | TimRikerOLS: But it is old. I have to admit that I haven't tested uboot for a long time on the GTA01 |
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| 16:38.36 | thomasgruebler_ | wait i tried so much so i canot remomber exactly |
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| 16:38.58 | thomasgruebler_ | e.g. iface to get wireless lan |
| 16:38.59 | Chox | then it is no good asking advice, unless you have a specific question |
| 16:39.04 | thomasgruebler_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN uses it |
| 16:39.17 | Chox | otherwise we are all guessing. will just take longer and waste everyone's time |
| 16:39.37 | thomasgruebler_ | my question is how can i get my phone to connect to the internet over usb or wlan |
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| 16:40.30 | Chox | yes. and _what_ _exact_ problem do you have in doing so. |
| 16:40.31 | thomasgruebler_ | no sry i wanted to explain my problem so that you know what i mean instead of saying usb net doesn't work |
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| 16:40.45 | Chox | sighs. |
| 16:41.02 | thomasgruebler_ | my laptop already uses 192.168.0.127 Ip adress to connect to internet at home |
| 16:41.13 | Chox | we know. you said. And you said you used "some tricks" |
| 16:41.14 | thomasgruebler_ | and neo uses also 192.168.0.200 for internet. |
| 16:41.27 | thomasgruebler_ | the problem is the "0" |
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| 16:41.31 | Chox | no. |
| 16:41.35 | thomasgruebler_ | because both use the same |
| 16:42.22 | railer | ieatlint alive? |
| 16:42.30 | Chox | toomuchlint |
| 16:43.01 | railer | I think we are lintless |
| 16:43.02 | thomasgruebler_ | to get usb networking on my neo i turned of wlan0 and then turned on usb0. then i connected to neo. then i runned ceni again to connect to wlan with my laptop and turn on wlan0 |
| 16:43.08 | thomasgruebler_ | otherwise it doesn't work |
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| 16:43.25 | Chox | please don't use the phrase "doesn't work" when reporting problems. |
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| 16:43.55 | Chox | DL. |
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| 16:44.00 | thomasgruebler_ | ... |
| 16:44.00 | DaveLab | Hell yeah, baby! |
| 16:44.39 | thomasgruebler_ | ok do you know another phrase instead of doesn't work? |
| 16:44.43 | Chox | but to start with, you can split your subnet in two. |
| 16:44.48 | railer | dave dave dave.... |
| 16:44.49 | thomasgruebler_ | i normally speak german so it's not so easy for me |
| 16:45.00 | Chox | I do, but don't use it. explain what is wrong, not that some is. otherwise we're guessing. |
| 16:45.14 | Chox | I'm not bothered by your English, just your lack of detail. |
| 16:45.27 | Chox | ifconfig wlan0 subnet 255.255.255.128 |
| 16:45.34 | DaveLab | Railers! |
| 16:45.35 | Chox | then the .200 and .127 will be in different subnets. |
| 16:45.56 | thomasgruebler_ | root@om-gta02:~# ifconfig wlan0 subnet 255.255.255.128 |
| 16:45.57 | Fossi | brrrr |
| 16:45.58 | thomasgruebler_ | ifconfig: bad address 'subnet |
| 16:46.05 | Chox | sucks. |
| 16:46.11 | Chox | that's valid. |
| 16:46.12 | railer | dave whats up in the nj |
| 16:46.17 | Chox | sorry |
| 16:46.23 | DaveLab | Uhh, the temperature. |
| 16:46.24 | Chox | ifconfig wlan0 netmask 255.255.255.128 |
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| 16:46.36 | Chox | but that's just an example. you'll need to make it consistent for all the subnets |
| 16:47.04 | Chox | and similar for the iptables masquerading rule on the wiki. |
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| 16:47.29 | thomasgruebler_ | root@om-gta02:~# ifconfig eth0 netmask 255.255.255.128 |
| 16:47.31 | thomasgruebler_ | ifconfig: SIOCSIFNETMASK: Cannot assign requested address |
| 16:47.41 | thomasgruebler_ | with wlan0 it worked but i think i need eth0 |
| 16:47.42 | DaveLab | hee haw |
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| 16:48.00 | thomasgruebler_ | because in the tutorial eth0 is the wireless |
| 16:48.04 | DaveLab | abstains himself from this conversation. |
| 16:48.11 | thomasgruebler_ | i have to go eating now i come back later thanks |
| 16:48.24 | nite613 | thomasgruebler_: Edit /etc/network/interfaces and choose a different subnet than 192.168.0.x to use for USB networking. Then it won't be the same subnet as the rest of your LAN and you'll not have these confusing subnet and routing issues |
| 16:48.40 | Chox | could be more helpful, but I balk everytime at the "doesn't work" bug report. |
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| 16:49.06 | Chox | And in any case, I'm pretty sure this is covered on teh fabtabulous wiki. |
| 16:49.08 | DaveLab | :p |
| 16:49.17 | DaveLab | or better yet, the fbsd'ers |
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| 16:49.22 | nite613 | Chox: This is covered in "home networking 101" I think ;) |
| 16:50.13 | Chox | nite613: well, not really. overlapping subnets can get tricky. more like networking 102 |
| 16:50.15 | Chox | er, 201 |
| 16:50.23 | DaveLab | "yo shit is broke" or the more plausible "i broke yo shit," ... reply, 'Will you submit real information such that I may attempt to resolve the issue?' ... 4 months later, still no response... 2 years later, still no response ;P |
| 16:50.29 | DaveLab | fucking bitches :] |
| 16:50.32 | Chox | makes routers with multiple WAN ports and gateways. There it gets insane. |
| 16:50.34 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: I suspect heavy doses of good drugs. ntel declined to give a product-by-product TDP breakdown, but indicated that Tolapai TDP ranges from 11W at the low end (600MHz, no accelerators) to 21W at the high-end (1200MHz, w/accelerators). |
| 16:51.05 | Chox | Dave: yes, or the other way around. Submit a bug fix to OpenOffice.org/Mozilla/Debian - get it closed 4 years later. |
| 16:51.26 | DaveLab | haha, shitty |
| 16:51.27 | DaveLab | yeah |
| 16:51.30 | DaveLab | fucking mozdev |
| 16:51.34 | DaveLab | shakes his fist |
| 16:51.45 | DaveLab | NEVER AGAIN! |
| 16:51.45 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, 21W is even unacceptable for my embedded routers |
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| 16:51.55 | Chox | I'm pretty sure it was 4 years for all 3 cases I mention there. |
| 16:51.56 | kd8ikt | how do i find out what gta02 version i have? (getting ready to flash uboot) |
| 16:51.57 | DaveLab | sargun, you cookin' eggs? |
| 16:52.03 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: yeah - even at 11W - claiming mobile is barking mad. |
| 16:52.05 | DaveLab | Chox, that's disappointing. |
| 16:52.14 | DaveLab | how about 1W? :) |
| 16:52.22 | Chox | true, I have submitted many Debian bug reports. Sometimes it's only a year or so. |
| 16:52.23 | DaveLab | that seems much more appropriate |
| 16:52.25 | SpeedEvil | Dave: 1W is a bit higher than would be nice. |
| 16:52.26 | Sargun | My routers run at 5W |
| 16:52.29 | DaveLab | oh bug reports |
| 16:52.31 | DaveLab | no patches? |
| 16:52.38 | nite613 | 5W FTW |
| 16:52.42 | DaveLab | speedevil, no kidding |
| 16:52.47 | DaveLab | 0.5W is good |
| 16:52.51 | DaveLab | Freerunner :) |
| 16:52.55 | Chox | Dave: varies. most of my bug reports include some kind of fix. |
| 16:52.59 | DaveLab | heh |
| 16:53.02 | nite613 | yeah |
| 16:53.03 | DaveLab | SOME KIND |
| 16:53.21 | DaveLab | how many obstacles, traps, and loop-de-loops does it contain? :D |
| 16:53.24 | DaveLab | I can just see it now ;) |
| 16:53.33 | Chox | yes. my dirty one line patches. |
| 16:53.37 | DaveLab | oh and do elf cookies come included in it? :) |
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| 16:55.10 | DaveLab | Joerg, awake yet? :] |
| 16:55.48 | jOERG_rw | dave: hi |
| 16:55.59 | Chox | Dubious Dave, that's you |
| 16:56.55 | DaveLab | No kidding |
| 16:56.57 | DaveLab | Hi Joerg :D |
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| 16:58.09 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: just openng my suitcases in .tw, so not really online yet |
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| 16:58.50 | kd8ikt | when flashing uboot should i boot into NOR? or does it matter |
| 16:58.59 | Chox | doesn't matter |
| 16:59.06 | Chox | uboot is loaded into RAM before running |
| 16:59.17 | Chox | at least, in most setups :o |
| 16:59.23 | DaveLab | heehee |
| 16:59.27 | TAsn | what's the difference between nor and nand? |
| 16:59.32 | TAsn | i mean use |
| 16:59.37 | Chox | TAsn: read the getting started guide. |
| 16:59.43 | DaveLab | haha |
| 16:59.44 | DaveLab | Indeed |
| 16:59.51 | TAsn | Chox, i think i read it, one you can flash and one you can't |
| 16:59.58 | DaveLab | That's unfortunately going to become the coined response for 90% of the inquiries in here. |
| 17:00.07 | DaveLab | Tasn, read it again :p |
| 17:00.08 | Chox | so one you can blow away and one you can't. |
| 17:00.09 | kd8ikt | hm my nand version says apr 2 but i still have to nand erase every update |
| 17:00.14 | TAsn | though why is that, and what are the advantages of each? |
| 17:00.19 | TAsn | well i wil go there again. |
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| 17:00.45 | kd8ikt | i heard any uboots before 2008 needed to nand erase |
| 17:00.51 | Hydrant | Hey all... can I get a USB adapter to make a regular USB port for the freerunner ? |
| 17:01.02 | kd8ikt | but mines 2008 and i still have to nand erase |
| 17:01.24 | kd8ikt | anyone know the exact date that was implemented |
| 17:02.07 | DaveLab | :D |
| 17:02.11 | TAsn | i swear to god there's nothing about it there. |
| 17:02.20 | DaveLab | nand erase wifiweasel |
| 17:02.44 | Chox | nand erase dave |
| 17:02.54 | kd8ikt | so will an update fix my need to constantly nand erase rootfs? |
| 17:03.09 | Chox | ah yes, good times: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=31709 |
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| 17:03.52 | Chox | "OOo Later" |
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| 17:04.57 | DaveLab | haha, ziemlich häßliche ... |
| 17:05.29 | Chox | Dave: need a handkerchief? |
| 17:05.42 | DaveLab | :P |
| 17:05.48 | DaveLab | possibly |
| 17:05.56 | Rakshasa | Hydrant, http://www.pulster.de/index.htm?d__z3usbhost__Sharp_Zaurus_USB_Host_Adapter870.htm seems like one, so I guess there are others available too. |
| 17:06.00 | DaveLab | ze germans are teh fugging up everything. |
| 17:06.07 | Chox | so, we just sold a device to be shipped to the North Pole. kid you not. |
| 17:06.09 | Hydrant | http://www.tca-inc.net/usbmatousbbf.html |
| 17:06.12 | DaveLab | surprisingly a couple are pimpin' it out |
| 17:06.13 | Hydrant | I found that one too |
| 17:06.16 | Chox | don't mention the war. |
| 17:06.19 | DaveLab | chox, congratulations? |
| 17:06.34 | Chox | Dave: as long as I don't have to go onsite. |
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| 17:08.58 | DaveLab | Chox :) |
| 17:09.06 | DaveLab | I would, that'd be sweet (once or twice) |
| 17:09.13 | DaveLab | I'd bring a BIG gun with me, too :] |
| 17:09.20 | Chox | well, it would mean visiting Kanuckistan :o |
| 17:09.25 | DaveLab | OH |
| 17:09.28 | DaveLab | haha, fuck that? |
| 17:09.34 | DaveLab | I thought just igloos and penguins |
| 17:09.39 | DaveLab | and possibly polar bears :) |
| 17:09.47 | DaveLab | precious ivory... |
| 17:11.17 | Chox | sigh. penguins are the _South Pole_ |
| 17:11.29 | Chox | and New Zealand, Argentina, etc. |
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| 17:11.40 | Chox | dumb ass ;-) |
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| 17:12.51 | DaveLab | :D |
| 17:13.21 | DaveLab | I was merely attempting to provide additional hilarity :) |
| 17:13.38 | Chox | double team |
| 17:13.52 | DaveLab | :D |
| 17:14.01 | DaveLab | double-high-fives chox |
| 17:14.13 | DaveLab | maybe it's a high-ten then :o |
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| 17:15.10 | davi | Just feedback: It would be cool if the openmoko screen were a little bigger. So it would be even more fun browse the web via Wifi from my sofa. Almost as the Nokia 810 |
| 17:15.28 | Chox | so get an 810 :o |
| 17:15.35 | nite613 | opkg install bigger-screen |
| 17:15.41 | Chox | or an iPhone! ;-) |
| 17:15.52 | nite613 | Make sure you don't move your moko while the nano-bots work on extending the LCD, though |
| 17:16.13 | davi | I would like get all inside my openmoko device: phone, internet tablet, gps, audio and video play and recording, games, agenda, etc. |
| 17:16.36 | Chox | well, FR can potentially do all that. |
| 17:16.42 | Chox | for values of "games" |
| 17:16.42 | davi | It is just feedback |
| 17:16.49 | Chox | get hacking! |
| 17:17.02 | vclark | What distro are you using for internet browsing via wifi? |
| 17:17.11 | davi | debian |
| 17:17.18 | Chox | Debian on my laptop |
| 17:17.38 | *** join/#openmoko kdean06 (n=Kevin@fsf/member/kdean06) |
| 17:17.44 | davi | ubuntu is corporate, debian is community |
| 17:18.01 | davi | ubuntu is another debian parasite |
| 17:18.05 | Chox | one Debian to ru(l)e them all. |
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| 17:18.37 | davi | democratic |
| 17:18.38 | cjb | ubuntu seems to have progressed the state of the desktop more than debian recently, so I don't view it as parasitic. |
| 17:18.41 | cjb | maybe symbiotic :) |
| 17:18.59 | DaveLab | feminite |
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| 17:19.11 | richiefrich | wonders is this the channel for the openmoko cell phone |
| 17:19.15 | davi | people vs business |
| 17:19.18 | DaveLab | haha |
| 17:19.26 | Chox | rich vs poor. |
| 17:19.30 | Chox | vs the world |
| 17:19.31 | DaveLab | o.O |
| 17:19.32 | mjr | richiefrich, no, we're more about hentai |
| 17:19.37 | DaveLab | Chox vs Chocky |
| 17:19.39 | cjb | richiefrich: no, this is the channel for the Open Boogers project |
| 17:19.44 | richiefrich | mjr: lol |
| 17:19.58 | vclark | I have found Qtopia to be the most useful(stable) distro for everyday use as a phone. Looking for some advice/opinions. |
| 17:19.58 | DaveLab | collaberative, mjr? o.O |
| 17:20.00 | richiefrich | well do you all own one? |
| 17:20.10 | Chox | all 300 people in the channel? |
| 17:20.10 | DaveLab | How would that even work?? *shudder* |
| 17:20.23 | DaveLab | there's like 20 people here |
| 17:20.35 | DaveLab | and chocky and I make up about 80 of them, together |
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| 17:21.06 | richiefrich | mjr: when did you get yours? |
| 17:21.08 | Chox | "additional hilarity" |
| 17:21.12 | sparrow | looks in |
| 17:21.46 | mjr | richiefrich, oh when I was like 15 my friends showed me Urotsukidoji in an anime night |
| 17:22.16 | mjr | DaveLab, collaboration is easy, when you've got a tentacle per |
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| 17:24.37 | DaveLab | hahaha |
| 17:24.51 | Chox | just don't mention tubgirl. |
| 17:24.51 | kd8ikt | anyone know a fix for XCALIBRATE extension missing: Success |
| 17:24.55 | DaveLab | mjr, did you see my dfu-util comment earlier, along those lines? :p |
| 17:25.04 | DaveLab | Chox: YOU JUST DID! |
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| 17:25.46 | richiefrich | girls in tubes! |
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| 17:25.53 | DaveLab | tubegirl? |
| 17:25.57 | DaveLab | that sounds wrong |
| 17:26.32 | Chox | yes, the 80s called, they want their tube tops back. |
| 17:26.46 | mjr | DaveLab, those, yes |
| 17:26.52 | mjr | tentacoo wape! |
| 17:27.13 | DaveLab | :D |
| 17:27.19 | DaveLab | mjr, I like your style! |
| 17:27.39 | DaveLab | Let's be friends :) |
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| 17:30.33 | mjr | damn it's hard to search webcomics though |
| 17:31.07 | DaveLab | suomalainen? |
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| 17:31.27 | mjr | yes |
| 17:31.30 | DaveLab | ecraven! |
| 17:31.41 | DaveLab | mjr, pidätkö oluesta? :D |
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| 17:31.58 | mjr | en tiedä :] |
| 17:32.04 | DaveLab | ;) |
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| 17:32.21 | Chox | Hm, not enough vowels in those Polish names |
| 17:32.32 | Chox | it's like Welsh, but with 'k's |
| 17:32.45 | ecraven | DaveLab: en puhua suomeksi |
| 17:32.54 | DaveLab | :O |
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| 17:33.00 | DaveLab | :D |
| 17:33.20 | balrog-k1n | vowels are overrated |
| 17:33.43 | Chox | [ye]s. |
| 17:33.47 | DaveLab | balrog, and yet you seem to find numbers to be a suitable substitute. |
| 17:34.01 | Chox | laffs. |
| 17:34.09 | DaveLab | beers |
| 17:34.19 | DaveLab | beer for everyone!! |
| 17:34.23 | Chox | whee |
| 17:34.39 | balrog-k1n | oh we could substitute all letters with numbers |
| 17:34.40 | Chox | as long as we're not at SeaWorld, that's fine by me |
| 17:34.47 | balrog-k1n | just had his great idea |
| 17:34.51 | CM | ~beer DaveLab |
| 17:34.52 | apt | ACTION pours a quart of Piraat for DaveLab |
| 17:35.21 | Chox | Bud, Bud lite or Michelob |
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| 17:39.11 | mjr | ah yes, found it: http://www.ghastlycomic.com/d/20050612.html |
| 17:39.17 | CM | Does anyone else having troule building glibc with the makefile? |
| 17:39.26 | CM | Bails out on some sanity check |
| 17:39.56 | leinir | Hehe, ghastly's ghastly comic, or tentacle monsters and the women who love them ;) |
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| 17:42.19 | malik1972 | lpotter:ping |
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| 17:43.46 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r245bbdd15d9e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: busycover instead of busywin. |
| 17:44.08 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9345efc1e539 10/framework/patterns/ (__init__.py asyncworker.py): |
| 17:44.08 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: start python/dbus/glib pattern library which will become standalone later on. |
| 17:44.08 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: first element: AsyncWorker which will be used in odeviced/Input and odeviced/Audio plugins. |
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| 17:46.59 | DaveLab | so says the leinir |
| 17:47.11 | DaveLab | sekret vorlon sekz |
| 17:47.28 | leinir | DaveLab: It's the full title of that web comic ;) |
| 17:47.52 | DaveLab | shrugs |
| 17:48.08 | DaveLab | make your own |
| 17:48.34 | leinir | Well... i was in one ages back, kinda ;) |
| 17:48.37 | DaveLab | The openmoko is comical enough, I'm sure we could all pitch in to create a successful webcomic. |
| 17:49.11 | Chox | you assume too much of our drawing skills |
| 17:49.22 | DaveLab | Who said anything about drawing? |
| 17:49.27 | smhar | someone please update the /topic . it seems that the 850's are out of stock, again |
| 17:49.27 | leinir | Chox: Well... you know xkcd? ;) |
| 17:49.29 | DaveLab | Plus my drawing skills are quite suitable, thank you. |
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| 17:49.48 | DaveLab | someone said a shipment may be arriving tomorrow? |
| 17:49.51 | Chox | I guess stick figures would suffice |
| 17:50.02 | tessier_ | Is freerunner not even a stable phone if running the qtopia image? |
| 17:50.15 | DaveLab | I would say that is correct. |
| 17:50.18 | tessier_ | My Treo 750 is dying. Was hoping I could switch to the freerunner. But it looks like that may be a while. |
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| 17:50.30 | DaveLab | hides from leinir |
| 17:51.38 | Chox | tessier_: and so with the credit card points from the group buy, I got a $25 gift card from Sports Authority. fnar! |
| 17:52.24 | tessier_ | Chox: Cool |
| 17:52.44 | tessier_ | I should probably just flash mine over to ASU since that is what will ultimately be shipping as the official openmoko os it seems |
| 17:53.04 | smhar | it might not be stable, but I hope it is atleast working.. I can start importing and converting all my 500+ contacts to FR, and learn how to operate, script in the process, but the time it is stabel 'enought', (April/August?) I will master these skills :-) |
| 17:53.24 | smhar | so it is not a wasted time if you look positively :-) |
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| 17:54.09 | Chox | uh oh, IRCing from a conference |
| 17:54.16 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8878972c2e53 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: fix flaunch... |
| 17:54.49 | DaveLab | that's a paddlin' |
| 17:55.37 | malik1972 | did anyone tried the new uboot on the freerunner? |
| 17:55.40 | DaveLab | tentacools mjr |
| 17:55.47 | Chox | malik1972: yessir |
| 17:56.18 | malik1972 | Chox: hi, any problems? did you changed your uboot_env for booting on sd ... |
| 17:56.26 | Chox | yes. |
| 17:56.39 | Chox | the main problem is that serial access is horrrifically buggy |
| 17:56.41 | malik1972 | Chox: can you upload your env? |
| 17:56.43 | Chox | er, -r |
| 17:56.47 | smhar | who know.. I may be contributing to the development towards the stable version :-) |
| 17:56.52 | Chox | doubt it ;-) |
| 17:56.57 | malik1972 | Chox: how many partitions you configured? |
| 17:57.02 | Chox | just one |
| 17:57.05 | malik1972 | okay |
| 17:57.07 | Yashy | Anyone know how to automate the editing of your addressbook? I tried to edit ~/.evolution/*addressbook.db but if you edit it -- it seems to get corrupted. It appears I have to add "+1" to all of my contacts in order for their name to appear when they call? |
| 17:57.12 | smhar | or atleast .. adding some cool useless Apps |
| 17:57.15 | smhar | :-) |
| 17:57.25 | malik1972 | Chox: it runs well? and it loads the battery? |
| 17:57.37 | Chox | loads the battery? |
| 17:57.47 | Chox | like, with a robotic arm? |
| 17:58.26 | malik1972 | Chox: hehe, i thought it would do some powermanagement |
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| 17:59.04 | Chox | I see. you mean power saving improvements in u-boot. dunno about those. |
| 17:59.05 | DaveLab | So, how's deb running so far? |
| 17:59.17 | DaveLab | chox, the power improvements are minimal |
| 17:59.26 | Chox | I bust the touchscreen input. haven't looked since |
| 17:59.33 | DaveLab | other than prevention of deep discharging by enabling at least a 100mA charge, I believe. |
| 17:59.37 | DaveLab | chox :( |
| 17:59.43 | Chox | bizzy! |
| 17:59.44 | DaveLab | we were working on it recently, where were you? |
| 17:59.49 | DaveLab | summons the ecraven |
| 18:00.10 | malik1972 | okay, will try it later |
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| 18:01.42 | DaveLab | oh. man. |
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| 18:03.21 | zandini_ | how do I enter "/" key in OM2007 terminal? |
| 18:03.34 | malik1972 | one more question |
| 18:03.40 | wurp2|awayish | zandini_: see Switching_Keyboards on the wiki ;-) |
| 18:03.46 | malik1972 | i have the following line in uboot_env |
| 18:03.49 | malik1972 | menu_1=Boot from microSD (FAT+ext2): setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit; fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x32000000 |
| 18:04.03 | Chox | you want mmcblk0p1 if you want to be cool like me |
| 18:04.04 | Elleo | zandini_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Pagewiki/Complete_QWERTY_Keyboard_On_The_Freerunner |
| 18:04.13 | malik1972 | i want to change it to fit with the new uboot |
| 18:04.18 | Elleo | zandini_: alternatively you can fix the keyboard layout file to add / to something other than 0 |
| 18:04.27 | Elleo | for multitap |
| 18:04.44 | Elleo | can't remember the name of the file but it'd be something like /etc/multitap.conf or similar |
| 18:04.46 | Chox | and change fatload to ext2load |
| 18:05.12 | zandini_ | oohh Thanks guys! |
| 18:05.23 | malik1972 | chox: thats it? same adress ... |
| 18:05.41 | wurp2|awayish | Elleo: You meant http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Complete_QWERTY_Keyboard_On_The_Freerunner |
| 18:05.45 | Chox | there would be no reason to change the address. That's the start of physical memory (or so) |
| 18:05.57 | Chox | possibly logical. I forget the exact setup. |
| 18:06.01 | wurp2|awayish | And it's a redirect to the page I linked him to :-) |
| 18:06.04 | malik1972 | chox: okay, and for ext3 i use ext3load |
| 18:06.14 | Chox | maybe still ext2load. |
| 18:06.23 | Chox | I don't think there's an ext3load, might be wrong. |
| 18:06.35 | DaveLab | What a lovely application name: came |
| 18:06.47 | Chox | ./came a chameleon |
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| 18:07.00 | malik1972 | chox: before i had the kernel on the fat partition of the card, how i see this in th ebaove line? |
| 18:07.16 | Chox | it's correct for that |
| 18:07.20 | Elleo | wurp2|awayish: woops |
| 18:07.24 | Chox | it's just now in the ext2/3 partition |
| 18:07.29 | DaveLab | How are you Wurps? |
| 18:07.30 | Chox | just it just referes to /uBoot.bin |
| 18:07.34 | Chox | refers |
| 18:07.55 | malik1972 | will try it |
| 18:07.59 | Chox | oh, and you'll probably want to change /etc/fstab, but that's less important |
| 18:08.55 | DaveLab | Chox, what!? |
| 18:09.02 | blippe | when will the new batch start selling in the openmoko store? |
| 18:09.13 | DaveLab | blippe, come back tomorrow! |
| 18:09.47 | blippe | DaveLab: i don't want to miss out :D |
| 18:10.07 | blippe | ok, be back tomorrow. |
| 18:10.28 | DaveLab | :D |
| 18:10.54 | Fossi | pfffft, who ship slinux without gcc installed? |
| 18:11.49 | DaveLab | teh gimps |
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| 18:14.54 | DaveLab | rakastan norjalaisia! |
| 18:14.54 | ams | could someone point me to a link about the non-free software parts of openmoko (like the gsm firmware etc)? |
| 18:14.57 | mjr | Harald going to shape up VIA, apparently :) |
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| 18:15.56 | TAsn | ams, i think that's only the gsm. |
| 18:16.05 | Chox | and GPS internals :p |
| 18:16.05 | leinir | ams: You can remove the "like" and "etc" in that comment, it's the only closed part ;) |
| 18:16.22 | leinir | Chox: i thought that was free? |
| 18:16.38 | TAsn | which is illegal to be open in many places around the world... |
| 18:16.46 | leinir | TAsn: Yup :) |
| 18:16.53 | Chox | I recall different comments, but I dunno. are all the schematics for the GPS open? ;-) |
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| 18:17.13 | nuclear_eclipse | thinks the Atheros chip is also "closed", but with open source drivers? |
| 18:17.27 | nuclear_eclipse | or did I misunderstand? |
| 18:17.29 | ams | nuclear_eclipse: i asked for free software, open source can be non-free software... |
| 18:17.30 | mjr | most major peripheral chips have proprietary firmware (gsm, gps, wifi, bluetooth, glamo) |
| 18:17.46 | ams | leinir: do you have a link or similar? |
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| 18:18.12 | Chox | uh oh, OSS vs Free software hair splitting ;-) |
| 18:18.20 | leinir | ams: i'm afraid i don't, but check the wiki :) |
| 18:18.23 | nuclear_eclipse | runs |
| 18:19.01 | Chox | runs after nuclear |
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| 18:19.21 | ams | leinir: thanks |
| 18:20.13 | nuclear_eclipse | oh, and it's Linux, just Linux, not GNU/X11/KDE/Linux... |
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| 18:20.23 | Chox | GNU/FreeRunner |
| 18:20.27 | Fossi | it's weird, sometimes my wifi just stalls while installing stuff |
| 18:20.30 | nuclear_eclipse | cries |
| 18:21.08 | Chox | should make a GNU software free version of the FreeRunner ;-) |
| 18:21.12 | Chox | that wouldn't be that hard. |
| 18:22.00 | Chox | I suspect there are only a couple of things in the default image which are GNU projects |
| 18:22.22 | Fossi | heh |
| 18:22.31 | Fossi | is busybox gnu? |
| 18:22.35 | nuclear_eclipse | Chox: it's very much BusyBox/Freerunner :P |
| 18:22.35 | Chox | oh yeah, gplic :o |
| 18:22.36 | Chox | nope. |
| 18:22.40 | Chox | glibc |
| 18:22.43 | araujo | Chox, OpenHurd ? |
| 18:22.44 | araujo | :-) |
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| 18:22.53 | Chox | you'd have to ulibc it or something. |
| 18:23.13 | Fossi | heh |
| 18:23.18 | Chox | openwrt for example is GNU free by default |
| 18:23.27 | Fossi | well, i understand stallman these days |
| 18:23.28 | DaveLab | :O |
| 18:23.32 | davi | Is somebody starting to work to reverse engineer the non-free software GSM BLOB which openmoko uses? |
| 18:23.33 | ams | the GNU part means that it is based on the GNU operating system, it has nothing to do with which software it includes |
| 18:23.33 | DaveLab | aww, poor nuclear eclipse |
| 18:23.38 | Fossi | i've seen the godness of lisp machines in action |
| 18:23.42 | torpor | anyone know whats up with SDL on the GTA01? i think its really borked. |
| 18:23.47 | Fossi | almost made me cry ;) |
| 18:23.51 | Fossi | actually still does |
| 18:23.56 | Chox | ams: no idea what you're on about. |
| 18:24.00 | DaveLab | suspect leinir |
| 18:24.20 | torpor | you guys still being gay in here? |
| 18:24.31 | Chox | yes. |
| 18:24.31 | wurp2|awayish | DaveLab: Sorry, just drifting through and saw the inevitable keyboard Q |
| 18:24.34 | wurp2|awayish | ~faq |
| 18:24.35 | apt | somebody said faq was http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_FAQ |
| 18:24.50 | ams | Chox: clarification why GNU/Linux is called GNU/Linux, and why BusyBox/Freerunner is incorrect, busybox is not a operating system, neither is linux |
| 18:25.11 | Chox | ams: sorry, still makes no sense. I'm well aware of "GNU/Linux". |
| 18:25.18 | nuclear_eclipse | ams: that's incorrect |
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| 18:25.35 | DaveLab | wurp :) |
| 18:25.54 | nuclear_eclipse | GNU is a set of userland tools, and so is BusyBox; but Linux is the OS kernel |
| 18:26.09 | Chox | I don't care for hair splitting arguments about what is and what isn't an OS. My point is purely as a theoretical exercise to exclude GNU projects. |
| 18:26.12 | ams | nuclear_eclipse: not at all, GNU is an operating system, like for example BSD |
| 18:26.20 | Fossi | yeah, right. |
| 18:26.23 | Fossi | like windows |
| 18:26.26 | Fossi | ... |
| 18:26.31 | nuclear_eclipse | ams: GNU *Hurd* is an OS kernel, but GNU itself is not |
| 18:26.42 | ams | nuclear_eclipse: i never talked about kernels, i talked about the operating system |
| 18:26.48 | Chox | and pansy arguments like this are a good reason to exclude GNU software from FR :p |
| 18:26.50 | Fossi | a gnu is a goddamn animal |
| 18:26.53 | Fossi | and now shap |
| 18:27.00 | Chox | Fossi: point! |
| 18:27.05 | nuclear_eclipse | shap? |
| 18:27.05 | ams | nuclear_eclipse: and you are actually incorrect about that, the GNU Hurd is a set of user space programs, translators, and libraries, GNU Mach is the kernel |
| 18:27.10 | Fossi | shut up |
| 18:27.12 | Fossi | damn |
| 18:27.13 | CVirus | GNU is a goddamn animal you freakin' geeks |
| 18:27.17 | Chox | ams: look, we don't give a shit about GNU hurd |
| 18:27.24 | davi | KDE is just an optional desktop manager, as GNOME is. KDE or GNOME is not part of the Operating System. You can just install the GNU/Linux Operating System without any graphic environment. |
| 18:27.24 | CVirus | :-p |
| 18:27.25 | Fossi | CVirus: beat you to it ;) |
| 18:27.26 | Chox | this is about the FreeRunner |
| 18:27.30 | DaveLab | wahahaha |
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| 18:27.38 | Chox | sorries for starting this. |
| 18:27.42 | Fossi | ;D |
| 18:27.44 | DaveLab | haha, Cvirus :p |
| 18:27.48 | cheesy | You are all experts, aren't you! :) |
| 18:27.52 | DaveLab | herd! |
| 18:27.56 | nuclear_eclipse | kicks Chox |
| 18:28.04 | Chox | is enkickened |
| 18:28.04 | CVirus | which reminds me of http://bash.org/?14258 |
| 18:28.05 | DaveLab | hahaha |
| 18:28.16 | torpor | stop it |
| 18:28.17 | torpor | please |
| 18:28.20 | SpeedEvil | In some cases, you can use the linux kernel alone. |
| 18:28.22 | torpor | we need an ops |
| 18:28.24 | SpeedEvil | At least with 2.4 |
| 18:28.25 | DaveLab | haha |
| 18:28.28 | Chox | CVirus: you bash.org weenie |
| 18:28.29 | DaveLab | torpor, yes? |
| 18:28.30 | torpor | to kick you freakin' weenies out |
| 18:28.33 | DaveLab | What do you need? |
| 18:28.37 | DaveLab | dude |
| 18:28.38 | torpor | ? |
| 18:28.42 | SpeedEvil | It could be setup as a router on kernel command line |
| 18:28.43 | DaveLab | why do we NOT have a bash viewer on the freerunner? |
| 18:28.47 | davi | SpeedEvil, you can not use the Linux kernel if you not compile it with gcc |
| 18:28.51 | DaveLab | it should totally be put in the community-repository :D |
| 18:28.54 | torpor | please kick all discussions as above ^^^ |
| 18:29.07 | DaveLab | First one to do so gets a free pizza on me! |
| 18:29.18 | torpor | what is bash viewer? |
| 18:29.30 | torpor | anyone know whats up with SDL? |
| 18:29.33 | Fossi | CVirus: well, that was the obvious reference, wasn't it? ;) |
| 18:29.47 | lpotter | malik1972: pong |
| 18:30.07 | CVirus | Fossi: sure thing .. hehe |
| 18:30.08 | nuclear_eclipse | DaveLab: alias bashview="curl http://bash.org/?" :P |
| 18:30.10 | cheesy | lpotter: ping |
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| 18:30.40 | davi | What about reverse engineer the non-free software GSM BLOB which openmoko uses? |
| 18:30.45 | lpotter | poing |
| 18:30.50 | davi | I think law does not prohibit it? |
| 18:30.51 | nuclear_eclipse | davi: have fun! |
| 18:30.57 | Chox | davi: suppose, but to what end? |
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| 18:31.18 | Chox | might be illegal in US. dunno |
| 18:31.23 | davi | Chox, get all 100% free software. |
| 18:31.27 | Fossi | \o/ |
| 18:31.29 | Fossi | and beer |
| 18:31.31 | Chox | \o\ |
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| 18:31.34 | Fossi | 100% free beer |
| 18:31.38 | Fossi | totally good |
| 18:31.42 | Fossi | don't be evil |
| 18:31.45 | Fossi | drink more beer |
| 18:31.54 | mjr | davi, you'd only have non-free stuff on bluetooth, wifi, gps and gpu chips then! |
| 18:32.02 | Chox | davi: personally, there comes a time when it's not worth it, if it's working properly. maybe that's just me. |
| 18:32.15 | DaveLab | SPeedevil, please tell me the next model will have a fully functional usb2.0 bus |
| 18:32.19 | mjr | and yeah, starting with the gsm chip is the most insane option for all the illegality of it |
| 18:32.22 | Fossi | actually, if i was to reverse engineer anything, it would be the graphics accelerator |
| 18:32.30 | Fossi | because i *really* want it |
| 18:32.36 | DaveLab | I was just thinking of slapping a radeon on it today |
| 18:32.41 | DaveLab | well under it, to be more precise |
| 18:32.54 | DaveLab | holy water-cooled freerunners batman! |
| 18:32.58 | Fossi | xD |
| 18:33.01 | Chox | and run the x86 driver under emulation? |
| 18:33.03 | SpeedEvil | DaveLab: The next model will have a USB3 bus. And a puppy. |
| 18:33.13 | Fossi | Dave: post pics ;) |
| 18:33.14 | Chox | _and_ a pony. |
| 18:33.29 | mjr | there'd be something to be gained from free firmware on the wifi chip too, if one's into REing. Still less illegal :] |
| 18:33.35 | Fossi | this channel is getting a little crazy |
| 18:33.53 | davi | Chox, I agree with you it should not be a priority, but it could be fun than at 2015 anyone could get such software stack and setup its own GSM network at Alaska or at Mars |
| 18:34.08 | davi | non-free software is always an stopper |
| 18:34.16 | Chox | well, get hacking. |
| 18:34.19 | Chox | you Martian |
| 18:34.31 | davi | I will get it ready for 2015 :) |
| 18:34.37 | davi | just joking |
| 18:34.59 | DaveLab | Speedevil, really really? :D |
| 18:35.05 | DaveLab | Fossi, sure |
| 18:35.21 | DaveLab | !&@%#@& I can't get this friggin' camera to work |
| 18:35.26 | Chox | next people will want to reverse engineer atoms or something. |
| 18:35.32 | wastrel | atoms |
| 18:35.36 | Chox | or demand the universe's source code |
| 18:35.50 | DaveLab | #!/usr/bin/bigbang |
| 18:35.54 | Fossi | actually, sometimes, i'd like to tinker with it a little |
| 18:36.16 | Chox | I guess the people at LHC are working on it |
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| 18:36.28 | DaveLab | needz moar entropee: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/universe |
| 18:36.44 | Fossi | wtf. |
| 18:36.49 | DaveLab | How are you fossi? :) |
| 18:36.51 | Chox | let's drain a neigboring universe |
| 18:36.56 | DaveLab | Chox :D |
| 18:36.58 | Fossi | i just installed gcc and it's not in the path? |
| 18:37.00 | DaveLab | I liked that one too ;) |
| 18:37.03 | DaveLab | fossi heehe |
| 18:37.06 | DaveLab | guess not :p |
| 18:37.16 | DaveLab | speaking of which, someone tell me what module I need for this friggin' thing |
| 18:37.19 | mjr | fuck entropy, we can always get more of that in the universe |
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| 18:37.59 | Chox | ok, so pump it out. use a nearby wormhole. |
| 18:38.13 | Chox | can have like entropy credits or something. |
| 18:38.24 | Chox | and the US can just ignore the rules. |
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| 18:39.33 | nuclear_eclipse | Fossi: install gcc-symlinks |
| 18:39.41 | DaveLab | who needs entropy |
| 18:39.46 | DaveLab | we already have scandanavia ;p |
| 18:39.48 | nuclear_eclipse | and g++-symlinks, and binutils-symlinks.... etc |
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| 18:39.56 | Fossi | thanks |
| 18:40.01 | peepsalot | i remember reading somewhere a while ago about using webcams, and the LSB of some pixel data for entropy. couldn't the same sort of thing be done w/ sound? |
| 18:40.28 | Chox | "please shout into your phone to generate a random number" |
| 18:40.35 | UndrWater | has anyone disassembled the freerunner? same procedure as 1973? |
| 18:40.41 | peepsalot | ambient noise should be enough, no? |
| 18:40.42 | Chox | "no enough, louder" |
| 18:40.49 | feitingen | UndrWater: yep |
| 18:41.18 | feitingen | UndrWater: remove torx screws, insert guirat pick, etc |
| 18:41.18 | UndrWater | feitingen: there's a paper "x" covering one of the torx screws....scared me...is that it's purpose? :) |
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| 18:41.27 | peepsalot | Chox the webcams where in the dark, by the way (IIRC) |
| 18:41.29 | Chox | oh yes, reminds me of a cartoon. |
| 18:41.49 | feitingen | UndrWater: i think so, it doesnt seem to affect anything else |
| 18:41.51 | Chox | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/29-Just-Say-It.aspx |
| 18:41.55 | peepsalot | UndrWater, my guess is warranty voider |
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| 18:42.50 | Chox | int warranty(void) |
| 18:42.57 | feitingen | then the first thing i did when i got my freerunner was to void the warranty... |
| 18:43.14 | nuclear_eclipse | peepsalot: it was mentioned on the mailing list that sticker vas indeed *not* a warranty voider |
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| 18:43.16 | peepsalot | nuclear_eclipse, ah ok, sorry for the misinfo |
| 18:43.21 | Fossi | well, that would be stupid. |
| 18:43.47 | nuclear_eclipse | choice quote: Your warranty should be void if you *don't* open up your Freerunner :P |
| 18:43.47 | feitingen | what purpose does the sticker serve then? |
| 18:43.48 | peepsalot | the warranty is only something like a month anyways, right? |
| 18:44.25 | UndrWater | nuclear_eclipse: then a "death lies beyond this flimsy sticker" kind of warning? |
| 18:44.35 | Chox | here be dragons. |
| 18:44.54 | toggles_w | was eaten by a gru once |
| 18:45.05 | peepsalot | it sucks, i have a whole set of torx drivers, from t6-t20, but of course the only one i can't find is the t6 |
| 18:45.11 | nuclear_eclipse | I reckon it's more of a "you should know exactly what you're doing first" type of sticker |
| 18:45.42 | Chox | "open this, and RMS may get you" |
| 18:45.56 | peepsalot | nuclear_eclipse, i figured the torx screws would already give that message |
| 18:46.02 | peepsalot | :-) |
| 18:46.04 | UndrWater | nuclear_eclipse: yep...i forgot my pirate "arrr" in there |
| 18:46.26 | Chox | talk like a pirate day is in a few weeks! |
| 18:46.30 | sitwon | Why would RMS care if you open up your "open source" hardware? |
| 18:46.42 | nuclear_eclipse | peepsalot: unfortunately, not enough people even know what a torx bit is... |
| 18:46.50 | Chox | sitwon: maybe he'd care if you didn't |
| 18:47.27 | nuclear_eclipse | I've seen people ruin torx screws/bits by trying to use them with philips type bits/screws |
| 18:47.35 | sitwon | I don't think it's any of his business what I do with my phone! |
| 18:47.40 | Chox | they should read the wikipedia entry :p |
| 18:48.07 | Chox | sitwon: he might want to make it his - hence the warning ;-) |
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| 18:48.53 | sitwon | yea, he does seem to have a tendencys to spread like a virus and claim ownership of things.... |
| 18:50.01 | Fossi | go let somebody show you a lisp machine |
| 18:50.11 | UndrWater | it's perrty in there |
| 18:50.13 | Fossi | i understood his anger afterwards |
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| 18:51.29 | Fossi | why is it that opkg first installs a package and then the dependencies? |
| 18:52.03 | Fossi | wouldn't it make more sense the other way around? |
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| 18:53.21 | nuclear_eclipse | Fossi: for opkg, "installing" means unpacking it, then it actually configures them in appropriate order based on dependencies |
| 18:53.28 | Chox | aye |
| 18:53.37 | Chox | on Debian it's much the same |
| 18:53.46 | Fossi | ah, yeah, i see |
| 18:53.59 | nuclear_eclipse | Debian just doesn't call the unpacking stage "installing" :P |
| 18:54.01 | Chox | and Fedroa is just broken. |
| 18:54.01 | Fossi | never noticed that |
| 18:54.06 | Chox | Fedora |
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| 18:54.15 | Fossi | has been on gentoo for a while |
| 18:54.16 | nuclear_eclipse | Chox: Red Hat is broken :P |
| 18:54.26 | Chox | everything using RPM is broken. |
| 18:54.29 | Fossi | and suse is just plain wrong |
| 18:54.30 | nuclear_eclipse | +1000 |
| 18:54.35 | Chox | mumbles about ricers. |
| 18:54.41 | nuclear_eclipse | :P |
| 18:55.05 | Chox | "your post-install script failed. That's ok, I'll just say your package installed fine anyway. no one will care" |
| 18:55.14 | nuclear_eclipse | I rediscovered the "Gentoo is for ricers" page again the other day; nothing has changed in years, and it's still funny :D |
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| 18:56.24 | Chox | http://web.archive.org/web/20061004200708/http://www.funroll-loops.org/ |
| 18:56.33 | DaveLab | :D |
| 18:57.17 | kelvie_work | hate on gentoo all you want, but I still think the ebuild system is awesome |
| 18:57.17 | kelvie_work | bitbake uses a derivative of it |
| 18:57.17 | DaveLab | makes some popcorn |
| 18:57.20 | Chox | with images: http://web.archive.org/web/20060621125829/http://www.funroll-loops.org/ |
| 18:57.23 | nuclear_eclipse | kelvie_work: I'm not hating on Gentoo, just a portion of its less intelligent users :P |
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| 18:58.08 | DaveLab | huhu :D |
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| 18:59.20 | Foss1 | Chox: fun :) |
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| 19:01.42 | Foss1 | "gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory" why is that? |
| 19:01.47 | Chox | so wtf are USE flags? |
| 19:02.19 | Foss1 | when you compile a package, you can choose some stuff |
| 19:02.22 | nuclear_eclipse | Chox: simple answer is universal --with/--without arguments to ./configure |
| 19:02.25 | Foss1 | mostly via configure flags |
| 19:02.32 | Chox | I see. |
| 19:02.44 | Foss1 | which is really great |
| 19:02.49 | UndrWater | very convenient |
| 19:02.59 | Foss1 | been messed up with debian so often :\ |
| 19:03.03 | Chox | aw. |
| 19:03.11 | nuclear_eclipse | no, binary packages are convenient, USE flags are "nifty" ;) |
| 19:03.20 | Foss1 | then again, the best thing about gentoo prolly is portage and overlays |
| 19:03.20 | kelvie_work | they are not without fault though.. a lot of times you have to recompile a chain of stuff because you set the wrong one (or forgot to set one) |
| 19:03.31 | Chox | kelvie_work: yes. |
| 19:03.33 | kelvie_work | no.. portage sucks.. the ebuild system is nice though |
| 19:03.39 | kelvie_work | but on ubuntu it's a _lot_ worse |
| 19:03.41 | malik1972 | hi, need help |
| 19:03.45 | malik1972 | menu_1=Boot from Part1: setenv bootargs rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 mtdparts mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00040000(u-boot_env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x00040000(factory),0x0f6a0000(rootfs) ro; mmcinit; ext2load mmc 1 0x32000000 uImage.bin; bootm 0x32000000 |
| 19:03.45 | kelvie_work | because it's a lot harder to compile that chain |
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| 19:04.01 | UndrWater | nuclear_eclipse: agreed on the binary...but USE makes compiling source convenient...so it's both |
| 19:04.02 | Chox | cross compiles loads of stuff from Debian sources for RISC OS (non-POSIX ARM-based OS). know allllll about configure flags and stuff. |
| 19:04.03 | kelvie_work | I remember trying to get mp4 support in gtkpod a couple of releases back |
| 19:04.11 | kelvie_work | it required recompiling of... many libraries |
| 19:04.17 | malik1972 | does the new uboot expects an ext2 fs? |
| 19:04.19 | kelvie_work | and building a deb takes ages |
| 19:04.32 | Chox | kelvie_work: depends on the package. sometimes, yes. sometimes no. |
| 19:04.34 | nuclear_eclipse | kelvie_work: not really |
| 19:04.50 | kelvie_work | I think it was gutsy that didn't have mp4 support |
| 19:04.56 | araujo | hey guys ... |
| 19:05.00 | kelvie_work | it was a pain to get ffmpeg up and running with mp4 support without breaking stuff |
| 19:05.03 | Chox | if it's something like OpenOffice.org, or Mozilla, yes ;-) |
| 19:05.10 | dcordes_ | build the gstreamer plugin then |
| 19:05.16 | araujo | how stable is currently freerunner in a scale out of 10? |
| 19:05.22 | DaveLab | Hello dcordes :) |
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| 19:05.28 | Chox | but all these issues are in OE of course. |
| 19:05.29 | kelvie_work | dcordes_: doesn't work with gtkpod :/ |
| 19:05.39 | Foss1 | araujo: depends on what you want |
| 19:05.39 | kelvie_work | I actually like bitbake |
| 19:05.49 | DaveLab | so have any of you gotten decent mp4 playback on the gta02 then? |
| 19:06.10 | nuclear_eclipse | better question: has anyone *tried* mp4 playback on the FR yet? |
| 19:06.15 | DaveLab | yes |
| 19:06.20 | DaveLab | someone in here yesterday told me all about it |
| 19:06.36 | DaveLab | but I thought you guys had done so and were subsequently dicussing efficencies and such |
| 19:06.38 | kd8ikt | smells ipod crap |
| 19:06.39 | DaveLab | :\ |
| 19:06.40 | DaveLab | GUess I was mistaken :p |
| 19:06.46 | DaveLab | more like lpod |
| 19:06.51 | DaveLab | or lpuck |
| 19:06.52 | DaveLab | :D |
| 19:07.04 | araujo | Foss1, mmm... don't care too much about making calls ... mainly development |
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| 19:07.21 | DaveLab | and games! |
| 19:07.31 | nuclear_eclipse | Net FTW! |
| 19:07.32 | DaveLab | pesters Speedevil |
| 19:07.35 | DaveLab | HELL YEAH! |
| 19:07.42 | DaveLab | high-fives nuclear eclipse |
| 19:07.53 | nuclear_eclipse | low-fives DaveLab on the rebound |
| 19:08.10 | nuclear_eclipse | wow, I feel horrible for doing that now... :( |
| 19:08.30 | nuclear_eclipse | so.... anyways |
| 19:08.58 | Foss1 | araujo: well, then anything is stable enough i guess |
| 19:09.07 | nuclear_eclipse | I tried ASU, and immediatly reflashed to Gtk because Net wouldn't work :P |
| 19:09.21 | Foss1 | araujo: then again, there are 4 distros and stuff is in motion |
| 19:10.32 | joejarvis | is the gta02 wifi driver in the kernel directly or from a module? |
| 19:11.22 | araujo | Foss1, cool |
| 19:11.37 | araujo | 4 distros? ..mm.. didn't know there were that much atm |
| 19:11.41 | nuclear_eclipse | joejarvis: I believe it's a module |
| 19:11.51 | nuclear_eclipse | but I could be wrong |
| 19:12.00 | DaveLab | goddamn blackberry |
| 19:12.15 | nuclear_eclipse | goddamn crackberry |
| 19:12.15 | DaveLab | nuclear eclipse, good reason :P |
| 19:12.20 | DaveLab | (re: flashing) |
| 19:12.34 | joejarvis | nuclear_eclipse: do you know which one? |
| 19:12.36 | DaveLab | dude, so apparently ALL of its devtools are for windows(R) |
| 19:12.46 | balrog-k1n | joejarvis: it can be either, up to you |
| 19:13.02 | nuclear_eclipse | joejarvis: something like ar6k iirc? |
| 19:13.11 | DaveLab | Has anyone here done a blackberry app before? :P |
| 19:13.22 | balrog-k1n | joejarvis: unless you mean in the defconfig |
| 19:13.38 | nuclear_eclipse | DaveLab: yeah, I was considering a BB instead of the Neo, but the Windows-centric tools were a non-starter |
| 19:13.50 | DaveLab | I wish I knew that beforehand -_- |
| 19:13.55 | DaveLab | well I have to do one for work |
| 19:14.16 | malik1972 | what does mmc 1:1 mean? |
| 19:14.28 | DaveLab | What's worse is that even their window-specific IDEs seem to have no simple widget GUI builder for RAD purposes |
| 19:14.35 | Chox | ok, all you gentoo freaks. I did the OpenOffice.org 1.1 port for ARM a few years ago. It didn't cross compile then (and may still not). I compiled it natively on an ARM desktop, which is not a heck of a lot faster than the freerunner. took 3 days. |
| 19:14.43 | Chox | but it was 1 GB of source. |
| 19:14.44 | DaveLab | Compared to say, the mac-specific iPhone IDE (SDK) |
| 19:14.51 | joejarvis | nuclear_eclipse: thanks. ifconfig claims there's no eth0 device; thinking I need to force that module to load. any ideas which pkg provide it? |
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| 19:14.56 | DaveLab | which has an easy to use drag-and-drop UI creator |
| 19:15.02 | nuclear_eclipse | joejarvis: let me look |
| 19:15.18 | DaveLab | so I've been desperately looking for something like that for the blackberry |
| 19:15.20 | DaveLab | -_- |
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| 19:17.18 | Yashy | There are numbers on my SIM card that are not in my contacts application, any idea on how I can resync that? |
| 19:17.36 | DaveLab | It should be doable |
| 19:17.46 | DaveLab | no idea if the software is there yet, for whatever image you are running :) |
| 19:18.07 | Yashy | joejarvis: http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner#Add_wifi_with_WPA_on_Ubuntu might help you |
| 19:18.19 | DaveLab | nuclear eclipse, any chance you know anything more than the blatant repulsion factor which surrounded your choice to go for the neo over the blackberry? :p |
| 19:18.22 | DaveLab | :) |
| 19:18.24 | DaveLab | crap |
| 19:18.34 | DaveLab | On another subject, anyone here familiar with teh gimp? |
| 19:18.40 | nuclear_eclipse | DaveLab: not really, I don't even own a PC with Windows on it :P |
| 19:18.57 | bumbl | Yashy: i can reproduce the problem; the contact application shows only part of the numbers on the sim card; they change randomly after each reboot |
| 19:19.26 | Chox | teh-not-photoshop-thank-goodness |
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| 19:20.40 | nuclear_eclipse | joejarvis: I can't find it right now, and I don't have a SSH connection to check for real, sorry =\ |
| 19:20.47 | bumbl | DaveLab: maybe, I know the basics |
| 19:21.04 | DaveLab | ah |
| 19:21.14 | DaveLab | well, this IS basic -- how do I add a simple shape? :P |
| 19:21.20 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 19:21.23 | DaveLab | I want to add a circle. |
| 19:21.29 | SpeedEvil | 10 print SQUARE |
| 19:21.32 | Foss1 | mark, then fill |
| 19:21.36 | DaveLab | uggh |
| 19:21.38 | Chox | maybe you should be using inkscape :o |
| 19:21.38 | nuclear_eclipse | DaveLab: select a select, then fill it |
| 19:21.47 | bumbl | that is tricky with gimp |
| 19:21.51 | DaveLab | yeah, fucking assbackwards software |
| 19:21.54 | nuclear_eclipse | s/a select/circle/ |
| 19:21.57 | Foss1 | it's weird at first |
| 19:22.07 | Foss1 | but it's the same in photoshop |
| 19:22.12 | DaveLab | no |
| 19:22.14 | Chox | inkscape -> save to PNG |
| 19:22.27 | nuclear_eclipse | Photoshop actually has vector objects |
| 19:22.27 | DaveLab | I never use teh gimp |
| 19:22.34 | nuclear_eclipse | Gimp does not |
| 19:22.38 | DaveLab | yeah it does |
| 19:22.43 | DaveLab | nuclear :) |
| 19:22.47 | Foss1 | well, been a while since i used photoshop |
| 19:22.50 | nuclear_eclipse | or at least not lie Photoshop does :P |
| 19:22.56 | nuclear_eclipse | s/lie/like/ |
| 19:22.57 | DaveLab | heh |
| 19:22.58 | bumbl | DaveLab: i don't have an English gimp version though so I can only translate from mine |
| 19:23.04 | DaveLab | hah |
| 19:23.06 | DaveLab | gee great |
| 19:23.11 | Chox | gimp ricer |
| 19:23.14 | nuclear_eclipse | loads gimp |
| 19:23.15 | DaveLab | and what language would that be? |
| 19:23.17 | DaveLab | :D |
| 19:23.21 | bumbl | german |
| 19:23.28 | Chox | ze ghimp! |
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| 19:24.15 | joejarvis | Yashy: thanks. i've read the wlan wiki pgs and had wifi running. but after one of the opkg upgrades, it stopped working. now ifconfig doesn't even see eth0 as a device. trying to figure out what i have to do with the kernel/udev/hal to make sure it's recognized. |
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| 19:24.36 | joejarvis | nuclear_eclipse: ok, thanks. maybe i'll poke around on svn. |
| 19:24.49 | nuclear_eclipse | joejarvis: have you tried rebooting since the kernel update? |
| 19:24.52 | DaveLab | Die Deutschen -_-; |
| 19:24.57 | joejarvis | nuclear_eclipse: yes |
| 19:25.06 | bumbl | you use the ellipsis selection utility to "draw" the circle then you go to selection -> border |
| 19:25.12 | mak163 | i am having trouble building the openmoko kernel with the cross compiler and instructions from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain...getting this error "make: ../../cross/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: Command not found" |
| 19:25.34 | mak163 | has anyone else had similar issues? |
| 19:26.24 | kd8ikt | did ya set the env |
| 19:26.31 | bumbl | but for simle drawing you should better take inkscape |
| 19:26.33 | mak163 | i did =( |
| 19:27.08 | DaveLab | I still haven't figured it out :D |
| 19:27.18 | nuclear_eclipse | mak163: make sure you extracted everything to /usr/local/openmoko, and nowhere else |
| 19:27.41 | mak163 | i did for the toolchain, but the source can be anywhere right? |
| 19:28.01 | nuclear_eclipse | malik1972: yes |
| 19:28.05 | nuclear_eclipse | oops |
| 19:28.09 | nuclear_eclipse | mak163: yes :P |
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| 19:28.10 | mak163 | lol |
| 19:28.15 | kd8ikt | neat gesd works |
| 19:28.25 | DaveLab | ellipsis tool? |
| 19:28.38 | nuclear_eclipse | DaveLab: Select Ellipse Tool |
| 19:28.45 | DaveLab | if I make an ellipsical selection it won't let me manipulate it |
| 19:28.54 | malik1972 | nuclear_eclipse yes to what?;-) |
| 19:28.58 | DaveLab | furthermore, I want a perfect circle, not an ellipse. |
| 19:29.07 | Foss1 | check out the options |
| 19:29.11 | mak163 | it just acts like it can't find the arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc compiler |
| 19:29.11 | Foss1 | ctrl or shift or such |
| 19:29.11 | nuclear_eclipse | malik1972: just 'yes' :P |
| 19:29.14 | DaveLab | grumbles |
| 19:29.17 | malik1972 | hehe |
| 19:29.26 | nuclear_eclipse | DaveLab: hold shift while making the selection |
| 19:29.48 | Foss1 | opkg: (null): Bad address o_o |
| 19:29.52 | nuclear_eclipse | mak163: sounds like your path isn't getting set right |
| 19:30.04 | DaveLab | OH, now how do I move it? |
| 19:30.19 | nuclear_eclipse | good question :P |
| 19:30.24 | nuclear_eclipse | hates Gimp |
| 19:30.36 | DaveLab | yeah, since it's not considered an actual object (yet) |
| 19:30.37 | Fossi | you either don't and put it in the right place |
| 19:30.37 | mak163 | ...im not sure how to fix it, i just used the set_env script that came with the toolchain |
| 19:30.38 | DaveLab | ~_~ |
| 19:30.38 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 19:30.44 | Fossi | or move the layer |
| 19:30.48 | DaveLab | Fossi, that's a terrible answer! |
| 19:30.51 | bumbl | DaveLab: starting english version of gimp |
| 19:31.23 | bumbl | DaveLab: join #davelab-gimp-help |
| 19:31.29 | DaveLab | :D |
| 19:31.33 | nuclear_eclipse | mak163: did you make sure you used the `. /usr...` form? the dot is crucial |
| 19:31.34 | DaveLab | Really? |
| 19:31.34 | Fossi | is there a build-essential for the openmoko? |
| 19:32.02 | nuclear_eclipse | Fossi: no, but I made my own that I'm planning to put out |
| 19:32.02 | mak163 | im pretty sure...let me try once more |
| 19:32.17 | Fossi | nuclear_eclipse: *please* |
| 19:32.23 | Fossi | this is getting on my nerves |
| 19:32.26 | nuclear_eclipse | hehe |
| 19:32.28 | nuclear_eclipse | s |
| 19:32.43 | Fossi | ./configure, 'error', google, install, repeat |
| 19:32.44 | nuclear_eclipse | same here, I finally got Git compiled after about 40 packages installed :P |
| 19:33.02 | Chox | gentoo, |
| 19:33.13 | Fossi | debian, |
| 19:33.32 | Chox | Debian = prericed |
| 19:33.43 | DaveLab | anyone rice their phone out yet? |
| 19:33.58 | nuclear_eclipse | DaveLab: I put an InvisibleShield on it :P |
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| 19:34.13 | Fossi | hmm. might need zlib |
| 19:34.16 | DaveLab | hahaha, you got one? really? |
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| 19:34.26 | nuclear_eclipse | Fossi: libz-dev |
| 19:34.50 | Fossi | nuclear_eclipse: yeah, i'm waiting for configure to see what else comes up |
| 19:35.00 | nuclear_eclipse | DaveLab: I bought a full body one, but I've only put on the screen portion because I really like the Neo's grippy skin |
| 19:35.17 | mak163 | yes...it executes the script, but still will not build the source |
| 19:35.22 | Chox | need spoilers |
| 19:35.33 | nuclear_eclipse | and I didn't realize just how glossy the IS material was when I bought it |
| 19:35.58 | DaveLab | nuclear, sounds kinky :o |
| 19:36.05 | nuclear_eclipse | mak163: do `echo $PATH` and make sure /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin is in that output |
| 19:36.06 | DaveLab | hrm |
| 19:36.10 | DaveLab | so what is it made of? |
| 19:36.19 | DaveLab | is it very protective? is it essentially a phone condom? :) |
| 19:36.26 | nuclear_eclipse | DaveLab: unfortunately not |
| 19:36.33 | DaveLab | aww |
| 19:36.39 | DaveLab | so forget water-resistance then :P |
| 19:36.45 | Fossi | hell, the freerunner already ships with a condom |
| 19:36.45 | nuclear_eclipse | I had assumed it would be, but it's more like a clear scratche resistant sticker |
| 19:36.47 | mak163 | it is indeed the first entry in the output |
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| 19:37.06 | nuclear_eclipse | mak163: check file permissions then, otherwise I have no clue |
| 19:37.29 | mak163 | file permissions on the sources and the toolchain? |
| 19:37.41 | nuclear_eclipse | mak163: the toolchain in particular |
| 19:38.24 | Chox | heh, the Gentoo page on Wikipedia stangely lacks a critisisms section, just listing a disadvantage of slow compile itme |
| 19:38.29 | mak163 | they are all owned by root and in the same group... |
| 19:38.41 | DaveLab | nuclear, so is it exactly like the screen protector slips that shipped with the devices then?> |
| 19:38.42 | mak163 | should i change that to be user accessible? |
| 19:38.44 | nuclear_eclipse | mak163: are you trying to compile as root? |
| 19:38.46 | DaveLab | or very similar anyway? |
| 19:38.51 | mak163 | i was |
| 19:39.07 | nuclear_eclipse | DaveLab: not quite, much better than the default protector |
| 19:39.18 | nuclear_eclipse | but still glossy and stickyish |
| 19:39.47 | malik1972 | can someone post a correct menu entry for booting from the first or second partition of a sd card with the new uboot? |
| 19:40.00 | DaveLab | oh okay good |
| 19:40.13 | DaveLab | because that shit bubbled up and crumpled/melted off half of mine, already |
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| 19:40.27 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 19:40.30 | DaveLab | I'd still be interested to know how theirs compares with speedevil's :p |
| 19:40.38 | DaveLab | or if it's essentially the same thing (cheap knockoff) |
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| 19:41.11 | nuclear_eclipse | DaveLab: I'm actually very impressed/happy with the screen protector from IS, I'm just unsure about whether I like the screen protector look/feel for the entire body of the Neo.... |
| 19:41.32 | Chox | nuclear_eclipse: put a review on the wiki, ktb |
| 19:41.34 | nuclear_eclipse | the body of the Neo is excellent as it is |
| 19:41.39 | DaveLab | but it works fine with the stylus? |
| 19:42.02 | DaveLab | because the shitty protector pieces that shipped with it very much impeded the stylus read |
| 19:42.05 | DaveLab | :| |
| 19:42.11 | DaveLab | even when it was flush against the screen |
| 19:42.15 | nuclear_eclipse | DaveLab: it makes drag/drop a bit more difficult than the bare screen, but I got used to it pretty quick |
| 19:42.24 | DaveLab | ah okay |
| 19:42.25 | KrisAbsinthe_- | is the guy who does the scaredy cat distro here |
| 19:42.32 | nuclear_eclipse | no |
| 19:42.32 | DaveLab | I also hope that the protector ITSELF doesn't get scratched |
| 19:42.37 | Chox | heh |
| 19:42.43 | nuclear_eclipse | DaveLab: it supposedly wont/shouldnt |
| 19:42.47 | DaveLab | because one thing I noticed is that as nice as the pen/stylus is, the stylus part actually does scratch it |
| 19:42.50 | DaveLab | -_- |
| 19:43.09 | nuclear_eclipse | DaveLab: I use the stylus from my old iPaq :P |
| 19:43.11 | DaveLab | it's lame because of the locking mechanism (software), you see many central vertical lines if you glance at the screen to the side :P |
| 19:43.12 | wurp2|awayish | KrisAbsinthe_-: That would be ScaredyCat, whose name has not tab-completed for some time ;-) |
| 19:43.18 | DaveLab | that made me go :x |
| 19:43.19 | wurp2|awayish | ~last ScaredyCat |
| 19:43.24 | DaveLab | I use a palm one too |
| 19:43.30 | DaveLab | thouhg I personally like it D |
| 19:43.31 | DaveLab | :D |
| 19:43.36 | Chox | man, so bored |
| 19:43.56 | DaveLab | man, so whored |
| 19:44.06 | DaveLab | and it's still early :| |
| 19:44.15 | Chox | whored and beered. |
| 19:44.15 | DaveLab | throws a blackberry at nuclear_eclipse |
| 19:44.27 | nuclear_eclipse | runs away |
| 19:44.30 | SpeedEvil | has been in the garden today. |
| 19:44.44 | SpeedEvil | throws a blackcurrent and a redcurrent at DaveLab. |
| 19:44.49 | KrisAbsinthe_- | After over a year of having this phone i finially tried the distro, its great |
| 19:45.07 | SpeedEvil | kristian-m: which one? |
| 19:45.12 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 19:45.40 | wurp2|awayish | apt ping ScaredyCat |
| 19:45.41 | apt | pong ScaredyCat |
| 19:45.57 | DaveLab | I was about to say... apt-ping? |
| 19:45.58 | DaveLab | :P |
| 19:46.12 | Chox | apt: apt-get install apt-ping |
| 19:46.25 | Chox | ~aw |
| 19:46.26 | KrisAbsinthe_- | would that be a request to download a ping? |
| 19:46.53 | Chox | ~useless |
| 19:46.53 | apt | ACTION starts crying and hides from chox in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 19:47.28 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 19:47.46 | Chox | staps ne's use of lol. |
| 19:47.51 | Chox | er, stabs |
| 19:48.14 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 19:48.18 | nuclear_eclipse | lo |
| 19:48.21 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 19:48.22 | DaveLab | l0ll3r1z3 |
| 19:48.22 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 19:48.26 | Chox | it's been used for ~15 years. you can stop now. |
| 19:48.27 | DaveLab | stabbity-stabs nuclear_eclipse |
| 19:48.31 | nuclear_eclipse | lollerize? |
| 19:48.50 | nuclear_eclipse | Chox: is lawl any better? |
| 19:49.01 | Chox | only marginally. |
| 19:49.18 | nuclear_eclipse | what about rofl? lmao? roflmao? |
| 19:49.28 | nuclear_eclipse | omgwtfbbq? |
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| 19:49.31 | CVirus | aren't 850's soldout already ? |
| 19:49.38 | Chox | how about reserving those for when it's really funny |
| 19:49.45 | Chox | CVirus: some in store yesterday |
| 19:49.48 | nuclear_eclipse | Chox: heresy |
| 19:49.55 | CVirus | Chox: i think the store is empty now |
| 19:49.58 | Chox | is a heretic. |
| 19:50.07 | Chox | first against the wall |
| 19:50.16 | nuclear_eclipse | throws stones at Chox |
| 19:50.41 | wurp2|awayish | ~seen ScaredyCat |
| 19:50.44 | apt | scaredycat <n=andy@net-pbx.demon.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 14d 10h 12m 5s ago, saying: 'igo stowaway polz'. |
| 19:50.49 | nuclear_eclipse | DaveLab: get the firewood and a torch, let's burn this bastard! |
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| 19:51.02 | wurp2|awayish | KrisAbsinthe_-: 2 weeks |
| 19:51.04 | Fossi | XD |
| 19:51.08 | Fossi | great quote |
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| 19:51.18 | wurp2|awayish | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.19 | KrisAbsinthe_- | I see that.he used to be here all the time |
| 19:51.25 | Chox | dammit, I'm getting Gentoo spam now: Subject: YOU HAVE EMERGED WINNER OF 750,000 EUROS |
| 19:51.33 | nuclear_eclipse | Chox: awesome |
| 19:51.43 | DaveLab | nuclear_eclipse :D |
| 19:51.52 | Fossi | i guess i should emerge that as well |
| 19:52.03 | nuclear_eclipse | `apt-get moo` |
| 19:52.05 | CVirus | Where did ScaredyCat go ? |
| 19:52.08 | DaveLab | huhu |
| 19:52.20 | Chox | ip moo |
| 19:52.51 | nuclear_eclipse | @seen daryn |
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| 19:56.52 | Tuju | http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html?d__omfr__OpenMoko_Freerunner739.htm says "First batch of units 07/25/2008 (25.July) is sold out. next delivery which we expect 08/15/08 (15.August)." so there has been only one batch yet? |
| 19:57.20 | Chox | there were some yesterday, but those are all gone |
| 19:57.26 | Chox | dunno if that was a batch or not |
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| 19:57.41 | Chox | oh, that's pulster, not the store |
| 19:57.43 | SpeedEvil | Chox: in the OM store? |
| 19:57.45 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 19:58.11 | Tuju | but there has yet been only *one* batch? that's the impression i get from that page. |
| 19:58.30 | Tuju | earlier i thought that this ongoing was the *second* batch. |
| 19:58.34 | Chox | so you want us to speculate on alternate meanings ;-) |
| 19:58.50 | DaveLab | chox it like it's hot |
| 19:58.51 | Tuju | no, i want to speculate about facts :) |
| 19:58.57 | Fossi | ;D |
| 19:59.03 | Chox | Sorry, this is not Slashdot. |
| 19:59.04 | nuclear_eclipse | Tuju: facts are boring, lets go shopping! |
| 19:59.04 | Fossi | best quote ever |
| 19:59.33 | Tuju | nuclear_eclipse: i got ordered my tenpack already, did you? |
| 19:59.48 | nuclear_eclipse | I already have my single Freerunner :P |
| 20:00.10 | Chox | yes, two weeks ago :p |
| 20:00.18 | Tuju | so you weren't coming to shop with me even you said so.... :-7 |
| 20:00.24 | nuclear_eclipse | irony being that the InvisibleShield for the FR shipped first, and arrived five days after the Neo |
| 20:00.36 | nuclear_eclipse | Tuju: I like disappointing people |
| 20:00.55 | Tuju | nuclear_eclipse: you're evil,...you must be working for microsoft. |
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| 20:01.26 | nuclear_eclipse | no, I'm just stuck working on some crappy perl tools that wrap around some crappy version control from the 70's... |
| 20:01.31 | Fossi | argh. damn |
| 20:01.38 | Fossi | checking size of wchar_t... configure: error: cannot compute sizeof (wchar_t) |
| 20:01.44 | Tuju | nuclear_eclipse: that sounds terrible. |
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| 20:02.00 | nuclear_eclipse | all to integrate it with a PHP webtool |
| 20:02.04 | zandini_ | For some reason, I can't seem to build glibc package.. configure fails complaining that it cannot find "stdio.h".. Has anyone seen a problem like this before? |
| 20:02.31 | nuclear_eclipse | zandini_: opkg install glibc-dev libc6-dev |
| 20:02.46 | DaveLab | ewww |
| 20:02.56 | Chox | heh, oh dear |
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| 20:03.28 | zandini_ | opkg? Or dpkg? |
| 20:03.31 | malik1972 | can someone help with uboot? |
| 20:03.47 | Chox | malik1972: I did, several times. I already told you how to do it :p |
| 20:03.50 | wurp2|awayish | zandini_: depends, are you building on your neo or your debian PC? |
| 20:04.01 | malik1972 | chox: it didnt worked for me |
| 20:04.09 | Chox | *facepalm* |
| 20:04.13 | Chox | what "didn't work"? |
| 20:04.19 | nuclear_eclipse | laughs out loud |
| 20:04.21 | malik1972 | chox: 1st part fat, 2nd ext3 |
| 20:04.23 | zandini_ | wurp2|awayish, I am building for neo, on my ubuntu.. |
| 20:04.30 | Chox | yes, and what "didn't work"? |
| 20:04.33 | wurp2|awayish | zandini_: dpkg |
| 20:04.37 | nuclear_eclipse | Chox: was that acceptable? |
| 20:04.42 | wurp2|awayish | zandini_: or apt-get |
| 20:04.48 | malik1972 | chox: "unable to use mmc 1:1 for fatload" ... "cant get kernel image" |
| 20:04.52 | zandini_ | Okay. :-) Thanks! |
| 20:04.53 | Chox | nuclear_eclipse: better. It means you make an effort. |
| 20:05.09 | nuclear_eclipse | I don't like this Effort concept... :( |
| 20:05.12 | malik1972 | chox: i tried this setenv menu_1 Boot from P1: setenv bootargs \${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ro\; mmcinit\; ext3load mmc 2 0x32000000 \${sd_image_name}\; bootm 0x32000000 |
| 20:05.13 | Chox | malik1972: and it's not a FAT partition is, it? as I said and you agreed, you need ext2load |
| 20:05.26 | zandini_ | I didn't know that you can actually compile from neo itself. |
| 20:05.47 | nuclear_eclipse | zandini_: requires installing a bunch of packages, but it's a full Linux system, so yes you can |
| 20:05.50 | wurp2|awayish | zandini_: You can |
| 20:05.59 | malik1972 | chox: okay there is no ext3load |
| 20:06.02 | mjr | yeah why couldn't you? |
| 20:06.02 | nuclear_eclipse | I compiled Git and ZShell directly on my Neo |
| 20:06.03 | zandini_ | That's pretty neat. |
| 20:06.15 | Chox | malik1972: also said that ;-) |
| 20:06.17 | malik1972 | chox: but what does mmc 1 mean |
| 20:06.31 | Chox | mmc parition 1. |
| 20:06.32 | wurp2|awayish | zandini_: s/neat/slow/ |
| 20:06.44 | zandini_ | XD |
| 20:07.09 | malik1972 | chox: i did several symbolic linksas i dont know where he expects the kernel on / or /boot? |
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| 20:07.39 | Chox | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.06 | malik1972 | chox: one more try,one moment |
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| 20:08.29 | Chox | still threatening to improve wiki about this |
| 20:08.32 | Yashy | bumbl: Let me know if you hear of a fix for the fact only some random sequence of contacts getting pulled off the SIM card? |
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| 20:09.52 | nuclear_eclipse | I feel guilty all of a suddenn... =\ |
| 20:10.04 | Chox | until proven innocent |
| 20:10.11 | nuclear_eclipse | Chox: sad but true |
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| 20:11.11 | malik1972 | chox: cant you post a correct line for me? |
| 20:12.07 | Chox | no, I don't lean that way. |
| 20:12.13 | dcordes_ | lol |
| 20:12.22 | Chox | and in any case, I don't have it to have, but what I told you is correct. |
| 20:12.25 | Chox | to hand |
| 20:12.32 | HauDyr | i put in my sim for the first time i got an SMS it was totally garbled i am currently using ASU anyone tried something similar? |
| 20:13.28 | dcordes_ | hey.. any Xfbdev gurus around? I've got a problem with tslib http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4448 |
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| 20:14.03 | DaveLab | aww |
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| 20:18.52 | DaveLab | bumbl? |
| 20:19.07 | linuxxr | i cant get mine to update properly |
| 20:19.15 | linuxxr | i can ssh in |
| 20:19.31 | nuclear_eclipse | linuxxr: opkg update you mean? |
| 20:19.36 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.46 | DaveLab | pesky gimps |
| 20:19.47 | Chox | how does it "doesn't work"? |
| 20:19.52 | DaveLab | Chocky :D |
| 20:19.57 | DaveLab | muwahaha |
| 20:20.09 | nuclear_eclipse | make sure you've set /etc/resolv.conf to the appropriate DNS server, and that you've set up your desktop to properly route packets via iptables |
| 20:20.58 | Chox | how about we get some details before guessing? ;o |
| 20:21.12 | DaveLab | How about it! |
| 20:21.27 | DaveLab | how about we get some hos and some booze and pimp it up |
| 20:21.28 | malik1972 | chox: he says unknow command name} |
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| 20:21.52 | malik1972 | chox: i cant see the syntax error in "menu_1=Boot from P1: setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit; ext2load mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x32000000" |
| 20:22.21 | trix | my freerunner can connect out OK, but is having a problem getting time via ntp. any suggestions? ntpclient: recvfrom: No route to host |
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| 20:23.39 | linuxxr | it says its downloading stuff but it fails to upgrade anything |
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| 20:24.05 | linuxxr | can i post |
| 20:24.23 | linuxxr | Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz, error 0 |
| 20:24.37 | linuxxr | says that for all |
| 20:24.39 | nuclear_eclipse | linuxxr: that's expected right now |
| 20:24.41 | Fossi | well, that should be there |
| 20:24.51 | linuxxr | oo |
| 20:24.56 | leinir | linuxxr: Make sure your forwarding is turned on :) |
| 20:24.58 | Fossi | nuclear_eclipse: why's that? |
| 20:25.12 | leinir | (i forgot to turn it on here after setting up the routes, and it gave me that error ;) ) |
| 20:25.22 | linuxxr | then i do opkg upgrade |
| 20:25.36 | nuclear_eclipse | oh wait, I saw Packages.gpg, stupid me :P |
| 20:25.57 | linuxxr | then says nothing tobe done |
| 20:26.14 | linuxxr | is that correct? |
| 20:26.17 | DaveLab | opkg downgrade :] |
| 20:26.32 | DaveLab | man, tango needs more monkeys |
| 20:27.02 | linuxxr | forwarding from the desktop? |
| 20:31.18 | DaveLab | SPeedevil, still here? |
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| 20:31.24 | DaveLab | or even better, joerg |
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| 20:31.49 | trix | i'll answer my own question for the logs; my usb host machine was not allowing udp/123, an iptables correction fixed it. |
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| 20:32.01 | DaveLab | Joerg, I've got a battery/freerunner which will only charge to 58% capacity then begin discharging again, and it always does this (though I haven't tried swapping phones-batteries) |
| 20:32.05 | DaveLab | :| |
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| 20:33.10 | AntonTakk | anyone know there in the illume theme you have to go to find the button for manually enabeling the keyboard? |
| 20:33.15 | AntonTakk | where* |
| 20:34.14 | sparrow | DaveLab - I had the same issue with on of my batteries. I ended up completely discharging and charging it with an external charger. Seems to work fine now. |
| 20:34.28 | sparrow | s/on/one |
| 20:35.07 | DaveLab | AH |
| 20:35.10 | DaveLab | okay |
| 20:35.20 | DaveLab | I suspected that might be the problem, but wasn't sure if I should bother yet :) |
| 20:35.55 | DaveLab | Does anyone else charge their freerunner at 1A? >:) |
| 20:36.43 | nuclear_eclipse | DaveLab: only occasionally |
| 20:36.48 | DaveLab | Oh, and for anyone who wants a good laugh. Isn't PHP great? http://amsn.sourceforge.net/devwiki/tiki-index.php?page=Webcam+In+aMSN |
| 20:37.04 | nuclear_eclipse | I generally find a PC's USB cord more convenient |
| 20:37.05 | DaveLab | lol. hax. phpbbq. |
| 20:37.16 | DaveLab | nuclear_eclipse: yeah but takes forever :P |
| 20:37.22 | DaveLab | depends if you're in a rush or not |
| 20:37.35 | nuclear_eclipse | I'm usually not :P |
| 20:37.48 | DaveLab | slothin' it, eh? |
| 20:37.48 | Chocky_ | och. tangogps just made it into Debian |
| 20:37.48 | Chocky_ | now I can run tangogps on my FR! |
| 20:37.48 | Chocky_ | oh, wait. |
| 20:37.50 | DaveLab | :p |
| 20:37.51 | nuclear_eclipse | hooray for var_dump()! |
| 20:37.56 | DaveLab | sure you can |
| 20:37.58 | UndrWater | is modifying the uboot the only way to get booting from SD working? wiki is unclear to me |
| 20:38.00 | DaveLab | it's been in deb for a while now |
| 20:38.08 | DaveLab | well, there's been a deb rls anyyway |
| 20:38.46 | Chocky_ | just appeared in my package list todya |
| 20:38.49 | Chocky_ | er, today |
| 20:38.53 | DaveLab | :P |
| 20:40.44 | DaveLab | connects a 5-pin usb-mini connector to joerg |
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| 20:42.28 | kd8ikt | Chocky_: use the latest from their website |
| 20:42.53 | kd8ikt | http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/Download |
| 20:42.53 | Yashy | Has anyone started a page for where one can find 5-pin usb-mini keyboards? |
| 20:43.15 | kd8ikt | waste of money |
| 20:43.32 | nuclear_eclipse | Yashy: probably easier to grab the $2 adapter from Monoprice.com |
| 20:43.38 | nuclear_eclipse | that's what I did |
| 20:43.47 | kd8ikt | ssh |
| 20:43.56 | Chocky_ | kd8ikt: no need, just sayin' |
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| 20:45.05 | Yashy | nuclear_eclipse: makes sense, thanks. |
| 20:45.58 | DaveLab | :] |
| 20:46.01 | DaveLab | :x |
| 20:46.08 | DaveLab | attempts to cross-compile drivers for arm |
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| 20:47.18 | trix | nuclear_eclipse, USB A Female to Mini 5 pin (B5) Male Adapter, that the one? |
| 20:48.12 | DaveLab | crap |
| 20:48.57 | Chocky_ | wut. |
| 20:49.04 | nuclear_eclipse | trix: yes |
| 20:49.08 | nuclear_eclipse | PID 4814 |
| 20:49.19 | Chocks | mnsg nickserv identify Chocky ch0xmoose |
| 20:49.22 | Chocks | arse. |
| 20:49.26 | nuclear_eclipse | ha! |
| 20:49.42 | nuclear_eclipse | Chocks: might wanna change that password now... :P |
| 20:49.44 | trix | nuclear_eclipse, thanks. cheap and handy |
| 20:49.47 | nuclear_eclipse | yw |
| 20:49.59 | Fossi | quick ;) |
| 20:50.07 | trix | oh and off topic, what kind of devices use 4-pin usb? |
| 20:50.17 | nuclear_eclipse | trix: I have no clue :P |
| 20:50.28 | nuclear_eclipse | I wondered the exact same thing |
| 20:50.37 | trix | yeah me neither. just wondering for that price whether i should get the 4-pin to put in the toolbox. hah |
| 20:50.52 | DaveLab | hahahahaha |
| 20:50.54 | DaveLab | *** glibc detected *** opkg: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x00084980 *** |
| 20:50.55 | DaveLab | Aborted |
| 20:50.58 | Chox | sweet. |
| 20:51.02 | nuclear_eclipse | nice |
| 20:51.08 | DaveLab | lame. :\ |
| 20:51.55 | DaveLab | also holy roflcopters, ecraven! |
| 20:52.55 | DaveLab | Where do I get the kernel headers then? :| |
| 20:53.30 | UndrWater | this is a non-standard usb port? |
| 20:54.17 | mjr | for host mode, certainly |
| 20:54.44 | DaveLab | :[ |
| 20:55.03 | UndrWater | hrm...can i use the iriver cable? the one i use for zaurus? |
| 20:55.52 | DaveLab | try it! |
| 20:56.04 | DaveLab | holy asscrackers this dev package has a meeeeeeeeeeeeelleon dependencies. |
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| 20:56.23 | Chox | sigh. |
| 20:56.34 | UndrWater | DaveLab: i would...haven't found it yet ;) |
| 20:56.45 | DaveLab | Ah :D |
| 20:57.12 | DaveLab | so currently gtk+-dev and kernel-dev are broken? |
| 20:57.29 | DaveLab | oops sorry, gtk+-fastscaling-dev |
| 20:57.32 | DaveLab | ~_~ |
| 20:57.33 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 20:57.39 | DaveLab | eats apt |
| 20:57.43 | trix | The 5-pin Mini-B USB interface is the most common type found on todayÂ’s popular portable devices. Essentially most of the digital cameras, cellular phones, MP3 players, and PDAÂ’s sold since 2003 use this interface. The inclusion of an additional pin was established to support a new USB feature called USB-on-the-go. This allows the device itself to initiate the USB link rather than the computer, making installation a snap. |
| 20:57.53 | trix | ok, so no reason to buy a 4-pin usb adapter. |
| 20:58.07 | Chox | wikipediatastic |
| 20:58.13 | DaveLab | :[ |
| 20:58.23 | DaveLab | someone send me the kernel headers, please. |
| 20:58.26 | railer | :? |
| 20:59.31 | railer | lint show up? |
| 21:00.37 | DaveLab | yeah he was hear all this morning |
| 21:00.42 | DaveLab | until he went to bed around 7AM :P |
| 21:00.55 | DaveLab | Lint Standard Time |
| 21:01.12 | UndrWater | has anyone compiled a book reader yet? |
| 21:01.18 | Chox | s/Time/Deviation = LSD |
| 21:01.20 | railer | well ill see him around 1 or 2 again |
| 21:01.20 | DaveLab | yep |
| 21:01.23 | DaveLab | I believe so |
| 21:01.29 | DaveLab | railer, sounds good |
| 21:01.29 | UndrWater | know the name? |
| 21:01.31 | DaveLab | though that'd be now |
| 21:01.38 | Chox | being ill doesn't sound good. |
| 21:01.40 | DaveLab | I know there's a comicbook reader |
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| 21:01.45 | DaveLab | I saw a prototyped ebook reader |
| 21:01.51 | DaveLab | in one of the repos |
| 21:01.59 | DaveLab | if that's what you're talking about |
| 21:02.17 | UndrWater | yes...was ebook in the description or name? |
| 21:02.26 | DaveLab | I think so, I'm looking... |
| 21:02.41 | trix | monoprice is a nice webshop. just ordered that adapter. way cheaper/easier than hunting one down at ratshack |
| 21:02.54 | Chox | ratshack won't have one |
| 21:02.57 | Chox | there are some on Amazon too |
| 21:03.02 | nuclear_eclipse | trix: it's where I go for *all* my cables and such |
| 21:03.09 | DaveLab | Well there is at least a libebook |
| 21:03.12 | trix | nice |
| 21:03.38 | trix | chox, sadly, that'd be the first place i'd look locally, not knowing any better :) |
| 21:03.43 | DaveLab | Haven't found an application which uses them yet :D |
| 21:03.56 | Chox | I'd only go there as a last resort |
| 21:04.41 | DaveLab | Okay, undrwater, sorry apparently I must have been wrong |
| 21:04.43 | DaveLab | there is not one yet |
| 21:05.10 | UndrWater | DaveLab: thanks for looking... |
| 21:05.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r78536a8dac0e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia. Get tick's and jeremy's fixes (ringtone latency, keyboard fixes) |
| 21:05.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rcc6072bc8e43 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] assassin update, mem leak fixes |
| 21:05.21 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * reaedc2a6f68b 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add the important xprop, xev and xwinfo utilities |
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| 21:07.25 | DaveLab | yeah :| |
| 21:07.30 | DaveLab | would certainly be nice though |
| 21:07.40 | DaveLab | though I believe there'd be many issues with it though :) |
| 21:09.33 | UndrWater | an ebook reader? |
| 21:09.51 | nite613 | DaveLab: You mean DRM wise? |
| 21:12.00 | DaveLab | yeah, well there's that and scaling issues |
| 21:12.13 | DaveLab | (in the more physical sense) :p |
| 21:12.23 | DaveLab | though yeah, if done properly it could be sweet |
| 21:12.36 | DaveLab | nite - yeah all the drm, various compat issues with different formats |
| 21:12.46 | DaveLab | and subsequently how they'd all similarly scale on the device |
| 21:12.48 | DaveLab | :| |
| 21:13.11 | DaveLab | I've had terrible times on the pc, dealing with just that :P |
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| 21:13.49 | Chox | DRM blows |
| 21:13.52 | Fossi | i've seen a 'textbook' reader somewhere (projects?) that showed only a scrolling line of text |
| 21:13.59 | Chox | beats NetFlix with a stick |
| 21:14.05 | Fossi | prolly only .txt though |
| 21:14.09 | mak163 | do most people use the MokoMakefile to setup your build environment? |
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| 21:14.34 | kelvie_work | mak163: I did |
| 21:14.35 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r16d00fb95954 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add the important xprop, xev and xwinfo utilities |
| 21:14.35 | Fossi | didn't do muc hfor me, i'm compiling on the phone now ;) |
| 21:14.41 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8c9b4f8e6490 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] assassin update, mem leak fixes |
| 21:14.46 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rbdf4696f2d2f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia. Get tick's and jeremy's fixes (ringtone latency, keyboard fixes) |
| 21:14.47 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6368df6acf28 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update EFL and illume (to match) where illume has all changes but no internal |
| 21:14.47 | Chox | mini ricer. |
| 21:14.47 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb9a5be68a686 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up illume version to one without internal kbd |
| 21:14.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r572cf423bc7d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update illume to latest working with qtopia keyboard... |
| 21:14.52 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc80d4729369c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: upate illume rev |
| 21:14.53 | Fossi | \o/ |
| 21:14.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r52ace1aea36d 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update efl and illume |
| 21:14.59 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rda309d65d1f6 10/packages/e17/e-wm/applications.menu: add "others" menu submenu |
| 21:15.05 | Fossi | i should get a spoiler |
| 21:15.05 | Chox | blah |
| 21:15.05 | torpor | anyone know whats up with SDL |
| 21:15.05 | torpor | ? |
| 21:15.05 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r69a85106ae87 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: busycover instead of busywin. |
| 21:15.05 | Chox | spam |
| 21:15.07 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb20af3ad8950 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: fix flaunch... |
| 21:15.10 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd70ccfeb4d7f 10/packages/alsa/ (alsa-state.bb alsa-state/asound.conf alsa-state/asoundrc): alsa-state: fix standard alsa dmix configuration, it now works out-of-the-box |
| 21:15.14 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb5935875bd02 10/packages/alsa/alsa-state.bb: alsa-state: install correct file |
| 21:15.21 | Fossi | torpor: sdl is a graphics library |
| 21:15.32 | torpor | yeah but what i want to know is why its borked? |
| 21:15.42 | Chox | ah yes, it "doesn't work" |
| 21:15.42 | torpor | i try to use it - i get a scrambled screen. |
| 21:15.45 | Chox | here we go away. whee. |
| 21:15.49 | Chox | again |
| 21:15.55 | torpor | i thought it was working |
| 21:16.01 | torpor | and if kobodeluxe is working, well then .. |
| 21:16.07 | Chox | .. |
| 21:16.12 | Fossi | does it use sdl? |
| 21:16.17 | Chox | mplayer with SDL is messed up, FWIW |
| 21:16.22 | torpor | damn |
| 21:16.22 | Chox | clearly it doesn't work sometimes. |
| 21:16.40 | torpor | this fragmentation of developer attention from one distro to the other is very frustrating. |
| 21:16.57 | mak163 | did anyone download the moko source from git and use the precompiled toolchain to build the source without using the MokoMakefile???? |
| 21:19.06 | edistar | mak163: with OE/bitbake you mean? |
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| 21:19.54 | mak163 | i followed the instructions at wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 21:20.32 | mak163 | i downloaded the precompiled toolchain and untarred it to the /usr/local/openmoko directory |
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| 21:20.45 | mak163 | then downloaded the source with git and tried to compile |
| 21:21.06 | mak163 | didnt use OE |
| 21:21.43 | linuxxee | the video for installing the sdcard looks inverted or the 1973 had a reversed position |
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| 21:22.05 | edistar | linuxxee: it's the other way round on the FR |
| 21:22.16 | mak163 | but i keep getting an error: make: ../../cross/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: Command not found |
| 21:22.38 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 21:23.09 | AntonTakk | lots of popping in audio playback in openmoko-mediaplayer2 on ASU |
| 21:23.24 | edistar | AntonTakk: try mplayer |
| 21:23.25 | edistar | ;) |
| 21:23.26 | wurp2|awayish | AntonTakk: Lots of popping in audio playback on 2007.2 as well |
| 21:23.32 | wurp2|awayish | edistar: Does it work better? |
| 21:24.01 | wurp2|awayish | There was 0 popping that I could detect a couple of months ago |
| 21:24.05 | AntonTakk | wurp2|awayish: really? i heard none in 2007.2 last night |
| 21:24.32 | wurp2|awayish | going way back up to where they fixed the problem with pulseaudio spinning on some semaphore or something |
| 21:24.44 | wurp2|awayish | AntonTakk: I'm running a ScaredyCat build |
| 21:24.50 | wurp2|awayish | AntonTakk: From June 11, I think |
| 21:25.03 | wurp2|awayish | AntonTakk: Were you running the 2007.2 that ships with the FR? |
| 21:25.08 | AntonTakk | ah, i was using a fairly recent vanilla 2007.2 |
| 21:25.25 | edistar | wurp2|awayish: it should, yes |
| 21:25.37 | edistar | wurp2|awayish: it doesn't use pulseaudio, does alsa directly |
| 21:26.05 | edistar | pulseaudio was fixed a few days ago? |
| 21:26.09 | edistar | I heard.. |
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| 21:26.57 | mjr | hmm, did you mean that recent 2007.2's also do alsa directly? |
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| 21:27.19 | wurp2|awayish | edistar: Does ASU not use pulseaudio? |
| 21:27.20 | uzytkownik | Hello. I have a problem installing python: Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/python-core_2.5.2-ml0_armv4t.ipk, error 0. I've done opkg update - what can be wrong? |
| 21:27.21 | edistar | mjr: no |
| 21:27.25 | edistar | wurp2|awayish: it does |
| 21:27.39 | edistar | uzytkownik: networking not set up correctly? |
| 21:27.43 | edistar | can you ping google? |
| 21:27.44 | wurp2|awayish | edistar: So you have to kill pulseaudio to listen to stuff through mplayer |
| 21:27.48 | wurp2|awayish | right? |
| 21:27.53 | mjr | anyway, it was nice to hear from mickey on the list that plain dmix apparently was working pretty well on fso... |
| 21:28.09 | edistar | wurp2|awayish: no, it just bypasses it |
| 21:28.36 | wurp2|awayish | edistar: Oh... when I've tried to run stuff that talked to also directly on the neo, it was silent until I whacked pulseaudio |
| 21:28.55 | wurp2|awayish | Of course, that was on 2007.2 |
| 21:29.07 | uzytkownik | edistar: Sorry - after restart I've forgot to turn down the usb0 which messed up |
| 21:29.40 | edistar | uzytkownik: :) |
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| 21:30.52 | edistar | mjr: dmix truly sounds super:) |
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| 21:31.55 | UndrWater | i feel like i'm going to lose my job over this device :P |
| 21:33.07 | AntonTakk | UndrWater: can't stop playing with it at work? |
| 21:33.11 | nuclear_eclipse | UndrWater: same, especially over Net :P |
| 21:33.39 | lolalol | how can I ssh on the freerunner ? There seem to be a ssh server running and wifi up. |
| 21:33.53 | Fossi | anybody got a clue about atomic operations on the FR cpu? |
| 21:34.01 | edistar | lolalol: ssh root@<ip> ;) |
| 21:34.04 | nuclear_eclipse | lolalol: check the wiki article USB_Networking |
| 21:34.24 | nuclear_eclipse | Fossi: no, there's no nuke on board |
| 21:35.14 | lolalol | edistar: what is the IP ? |
| 21:35.14 | Fossi | nuclear_eclipse: meaning? |
| 21:35.26 | Fossi | lolalol: whatever you or your router told it |
| 21:35.36 | edistar | lolalol: dunno, if you say wifi is up and running your wifi router should tell you |
| 21:35.38 | Fossi | check ifconfig |
| 21:35.53 | SpeedEvil | BLONDIE $ATOMIC |
| 21:36.08 | lolalol | no password ? |
| 21:36.44 | edistar | lolalol: no |
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| 21:36.57 | AntonTakk | wow, so aparently, killing pules audio leads to badness |
| 21:37.04 | AntonTakk | pulse* |
| 21:37.35 | edistar | AntonTakk: why? |
| 21:37.59 | AntonTakk | music stoped, and a couple minutes later, asu crashed :) |
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| 21:38.46 | edistar | AntonTakk: nice one ;) |
| 21:39.34 | lolalol | ifconfig says no ip |
| 21:39.56 | lolalol | like it did not request an IP |
| 21:40.33 | Chox | lolalol: your nick makes me dizzy :| |
| 21:40.39 | lolalol | Do I need to do something specific so that a dhcp request is sent ? I mean, wifi is enabled but dropbear apparently does not try. |
| 21:43.18 | Yashy | lolalol: http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner#Add_wifi_with_WPA_on_Ubuntu is my setup YMMV |
| 21:43.51 | Chox | past. |
| 21:43.57 | lolalol | Yashy: reading |
| 21:45.08 | edistar | Yashy: on ubuntu ;) |
| 21:45.09 | Chox | far too obvious to edit the real OpenMoko wiki. |
| 21:46.17 | edistar | Chox: people want to make their own blog popular *rolleyes* |
| 21:46.48 | uzytkownik | Where is python package udev? I.e. what's the opkg package name of python's udev package (I home this is clear question ;) ) |
| 21:46.53 | Chox | wiki :p |
| 21:47.04 | Yashy | I added most of it to the Openmoko wiki as well, but it links all the bits into one place |
| 21:47.05 | Chox | I do however, have a not very popular Linux wiki of my own |
| 21:47.05 | edistar | Chox: .. |
| 21:47.30 | edistar | Yashy: ok, sorry then :) |
| 21:48.21 | uzytkownik | Sorry dbus - not udev |
| 21:48.35 | uzytkownik | Ok python-dbus |
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| 21:48.51 | uzytkownik | I've searched by udev :D |
| 21:48.57 | Yashy | Also, a blog is usually an individual, where a wiki is usually community contributed too, like hackepedia.org and wiki,openmoko.org. |
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| 21:49.03 | lolalol | Yashy: I have a wifi hotspot without encryption, do I need this WPA setting ? |
| 21:49.04 | edistar | uzytkownik: do you come from poland? ;) |
| 21:49.12 | Yashy | lolalol: remove the WPA lines |
| 21:49.18 | uzytkownik | uzytkownik: I'm from Poland |
| 21:49.30 | Yashy | Czesc |
| 21:49.38 | edistar | uzytkownik: okey :) |
| 21:49.39 | Chox | too few vowels and too many 'k's |
| 21:49.57 | Yashy | Nostrowia :) |
| 21:50.16 | edistar | Yashy: zum wohl |
| 21:50.17 | uzytkownik | Chox: It means 'User' in polish |
| 21:50.21 | Yashy | (not sure how to spell in Polish, but I can say a few words) |
| 21:50.40 | uzytkownik | Yashy: I guess: Na zdrowie but I'm not sure |
| 21:50.50 | nezza-_- | so mal die foptos von heute sortieren :) |
| 21:51.01 | edistar | nezza-_-: wrong channel |
| 21:51.11 | lolalol | Yashy: meaning if I just do ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 it will work as long as a hotspot with no encryption is nearby ? |
| 21:51.38 | edistar | lolalol: or the battery is empty ;) |
| 21:51.57 | Yashy | lolalol: no. You'll still wanna specify SSID in the hackepedia example. |
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| 21:52.35 | Yashy | lolalol: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifiweasel will probably interest you. |
| 21:52.47 | lolalol | I see |
| 21:53.02 | lolalol | reading |
| 21:53.36 | Yashy | root@om-gta02:~# iwlist eth0 scan |
| 21:53.43 | Yashy | to see what APs are available |
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| 21:59.55 | Chox | SoCal! |
| 22:00.09 | budfive | socal!!! |
| 22:00.10 | budfive | ? |
| 22:00.35 | Chox | hooray for Southern California |
| 22:00.58 | AntonTakk | any of you know what all these qtopis-phone-x11-* packages are? |
| 22:01.05 | AntonTakk | er |
| 22:01.09 | AntonTakk | qtopia* |
| 22:01.13 | Chox | ASU stuff |
| 22:01.19 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 22:01.31 | AntonTakk | for the coming update to asu i assume? |
| 22:01.40 | Chox | you can install the qtopia task from the GTK setup if you want |
| 22:01.42 | Chox | that's fun |
| 22:02.01 | AntonTakk | well, i am using asu full time |
| 22:02.12 | Chox | then you probably have those packages installed |
| 22:02.17 | AntonTakk | nope |
| 22:02.22 | AntonTakk | not even a tenth of them |
| 22:02.36 | Chox | well, there are lots. but give an example |
| 22:03.02 | AntonTakk | the text editor, the media player, the calendar, the home screen |
| 22:03.12 | Chox | not what I meant |
| 22:03.17 | edistar | text editor? |
| 22:03.19 | Chox | what package do you not have installed? |
| 22:03.42 | AntonTakk | all of those were not installed untill a moment ago |
| 22:03.48 | AntonTakk | and more |
| 22:04.00 | Chox | there is no packaged called "text editor" If nothing else, since that contains a space. |
| 22:04.14 | AntonTakk | oh, you want the actual package names |
| 22:04.29 | Chox | well, you wanted to know why they weren't installed :p |
| 22:04.41 | AntonTakk | no, I wanted to know what they were for |
| 22:04.49 | Chox | same thing. |
| 22:04.54 | AntonTakk | not really |
| 22:05.00 | AntonTakk | :) |
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| 22:05.04 | Chox | ah, you've decided the answer already. |
| 22:05.16 | AntonTakk | anyways, time to go home |
| 22:06.44 | budfive | anybody knows any magic to make at&t sims work? even the supposedly good 71234(o)/4022 is not very reliable in the FR |
| 22:06.59 | cjb | budfive: no, I just reboot when mine doesn't register :/ |
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| 22:09.39 | UndrWater | when mine (ATT) registers, it registers as "roaming"...is that typical? or does that mean it thinks it's outside of the plan? |
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| 22:16.07 | blippe | ,k |
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| 22:18.31 | blippe | 1does the freerunner have a feedreader? |
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| 22:18.51 | edistar | blippe: yes |
| 22:19.01 | edistar | blippe: neo1973-germany.de |
| 22:19.10 | lolalol | back |
| 22:20.12 | Chox | side. |
| 22:20.13 | lolalol | Yashy: I'm logged in using USB |
| 22:20.22 | lolalol | thanks |
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| 22:21.30 | peepsalot | the application menu doesn't seem to always register clicks, even when i hear the phone play the click wav file |
| 22:23.36 | uzytkownik | Is there any guide about programming OM? I.e. I know the C/C++/Python/a few other languages as well as some libraries but I search the OM-specific (ipkg creation, specific API etc.) |
| 22:24.24 | fspde | peepsalot, you can also scroll the menu by draggin the stylus, be sure to just tip, and not drag it |
| 22:24.33 | Chox | there's nothing significantly different from programming on any other Linux system |
| 22:24.41 | lolalol | people I call with the freerunner can't hear me clear. The sound is faint and noisy. Is this just me ? |
| 22:24.47 | edistar | uzytkownik: python and dbus are fairly specified |
| 22:24.49 | Chox | for OM specific stuff, see the OM documentation. |
| 22:25.18 | mmaestri | hi |
| 22:25.21 | Chox | did you have some specific question? |
| 22:25.30 | Chox | OE, rather ;-) there's also #oe |
| 22:25.34 | KrisAbsinthe_- | does the GPS pigtail on the 1973 have a center conductor and outer insulation or all just onw wire? |
| 22:25.36 | edistar | uzytkownik: API for the middleware is on freesmartphone.org |
| 22:27.08 | uzytkownik | Chox: No I wanted to see docs & tutorial first. |
| 22:27.42 | Chox | I think you want to started on the openembedded site. I don't know what's there exactly, however. |
| 22:27.52 | Chox | but I suspect such things exist. |
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| 22:29.02 | lolalol | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 22:29.24 | Chox | lolalol: programming tutorial, not usage |
| 22:29.39 | peepsalot | is there an image viewer in the repos |
| 22:29.40 | lolalol | says I should fix sound with alsamixer but there is no "mic2" on the freerunner |
| 22:29.52 | Chox | oh, different conversation ;-) |
| 22:30.35 | Yashy | lolalol: no worries. |
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| 22:32.29 | lolalol | Yashy: any idea about the mic and alsamixer ? There are about 30043483 columns in alsamixer and I have no clue which one is related to the mic :-) |
| 22:33.17 | edistar | somone must clean up the alsamixer some time.. |
| 22:33.30 | Chox | wiki = mess |
| 22:34.03 | mmaestri | there is a gui tool for wifi on 2007.2? |
| 22:34.11 | kelvie_work | mmaestri: nope |
| 22:34.17 | Chox | there will be |
| 22:34.36 | Chox | kd8 is working on some dirty thing ;-) |
| 22:34.41 | mmaestri | here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions says it has |
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| 22:35.00 | lolalol | anyone here using a freerunner ? |
| 22:35.08 | Chox | no, no one at all :o |
| 22:35.17 | lolalol | Or is it just me having problems with the mic ? |
| 22:35.22 | mmaestri | what's a freerunner? :p |
| 22:35.30 | lolalol | ahahah |
| 22:35.38 | Elleo | lolalol: press tab in alsamixer to move on to the capture tab |
| 22:36.01 | Elleo | then look at the column labelled "Capture", that'll be the main volume control for the mic as far as I remember |
| 22:36.26 | lolalol | Elleo: Of course ! |
| 22:36.50 | lolalol | mic2 was at 0 |
| 22:36.55 | lolalol | did not help I guess |
| 22:37.02 | peepsalot | i tried installing gpe-gallery image viewer, but it has a bunch of error popups when i try to run it, saying it can't find some png's. for ex: /usr/share/pixmaps//open.png |
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| 22:37.52 | lolalol | Elleo: how can I test the change I made is effective ? I tried the "record" command but it's not here. Is there something else ? |
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| 22:38.36 | sirkha | hi, i am having issues flashing my freerunner... i follow the instructions on the wiki, but, with the exception of adding a device argument, since i have another dfu device on my computer |
| 22:39.00 | sirkha | how should i format that address, firstoff? |
| 22:39.13 | lolalol | aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 22:39.13 | lolalol | aplay: main:546: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
| 22:39.20 | sirkha | ie, what is an example of how to type in vendor:device |
| 22:39.43 | Yashy | lolalol: http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner#Adjust_the_microphone |
| 22:40.53 | sirkha | i tried ./dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5199 -a kernel -R -D uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin and the same without the 0x's |
| 22:41.03 | lolalol | Yashy: thanks |
| 22:41.13 | sirkha | and got "No DFU capable USB device found |
| 22:41.18 | lolalol | I should have read to the bottom :-) My value was 0 though, not 2. |
| 22:41.48 | Yashy | default is 0, you wanna try 2 or 3 |
| 22:44.51 | lolalol | what application should I kill to be able to run aplay something ? |
| 22:45.41 | lolalol | Elleo: ? Yashy ? |
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| 22:46.15 | edistar | aplay? |
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| 22:46.45 | lolalol | edistar: aplay is a alsatool command to play a wav file |
| 22:46.54 | edistar | lolalol: kill pulseaudio |
| 22:48.23 | Yashy | lolalol: pkill aplay |
| 22:48.36 | Yashy | oh I misunderstood |
| 22:48.52 | lolalol | pkill pulseaudio works |
| 22:49.02 | lolalol | now arecord is not recording anything apparently |
| 22:49.15 | lolalol | but maybe I should tell it to use a designated device |
| 22:49.18 | lolalol | instead of the default |
| 22:49.33 | Yashy | lsof | grep dev |
| 22:49.42 | Yashy | replace dev with the audio device to see what is using it |
| 22:50.24 | lolalol | Yashy: thanks, the pkill pulseaudio did the trick |
| 22:51.21 | lolalol | is there a simple way to test the audio recording quality ? |
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| 22:52.06 | Yashy | test it against what? |
| 22:52.50 | Yashy | aplay to hear it |
| 22:52.53 | lolalol | Like a phone number I could call and that would echo my voice |
| 22:53.13 | SpeedEvil | lolalol: you could ring me, and I could do an impression. |
| 22:53.21 | KrisAbsinthe_- | lol |
| 22:53.24 | lolalol | :-) |
| 22:53.43 | pjz | what's the diff beteen 'splinter' and 'diversity-nav' ? |
| 22:53.54 | KrisAbsinthe_- | SpeedEvil: is the gps pigtail a single conductor wire or does it have a center and a outer shield |
| 22:54.24 | pjz | KrisAbsinthe_-: gps antennas are generally connected via coax, ys. |
| 22:54.53 | KrisAbsinthe_- | thanks, mine broke off and im trying to engineer a new cable |
| 22:55.04 | lolalol | arecord --device=NAME selects a device. And arecord -l lists the devices. Only I can't figure out what is the NAME is the output of arecord. Any clue ? |
| 22:55.30 | Yashy | lolalol: There are loop numbers in most ANIs, if you can find yours. Ask your local 2600 guys :) |
| 22:56.01 | lolalol | ANIs / |
| 22:56.02 | lolalol | ? |
| 22:56.07 | lolalol | what is a ANI ? |
| 22:56.12 | KrisAbsinthe_- | 1800-444-4444 is an ANI i dont know id it has a loopback or not |
| 22:56.13 | Yashy | try -L instead of -l |
| 22:57.29 | KrisAbsinthe_- | Announce Number Identify ANI |
| 22:57.29 | lolalol | there seem to be only default or null, is that right Yashy ? |
| 22:57.29 | lolalol | KrisAbsinthe_-: thanks |
| 22:57.34 | KrisAbsinthe_- | yup |
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| 22:58.53 | pjz | what's the diff beteen 'splinter' and 'diversity-nav' ? do I need them both? |
| 23:00.47 | Tsingi | I saw Werner at the Linux Con in Ottawa and he said there is no longer any danger of bricking the phone when you flash an image. That's now what the Wiki says. Maybe I am misinterpreting, but if the Wiki is wrong someone who knows (better than me) should change it. |
| 23:01.04 | cjb | why would there be? |
| 23:01.11 | cjb | you mean a kernel/rootfs image? |
| 23:01.32 | pjz | was only a danger when there was no NOR |
| 23:02.21 | Tsingi | I suppose, I haven't flashed one yet. In any event the wiki says you can do that and it made me a bit nervous when I read it. |
| 23:02.28 | KrisAbsinthe_- | these pig tails are realy hard to seperate, Ihate it |
| 23:03.22 | pjz | has only flashed a kernel and a rootfs |
| 23:03.32 | pjz | reminds me, I should check out my debug board to make sure it works |
| 23:03.58 | pjz | it came with a guitar pick :) |
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| 23:06.37 | peepsalot | holy crap, antartica looks MASSIVE in tangogps map |
| 23:07.06 | KrisAbsinthe_- | Its is quite large after all |
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| 23:07.34 | kd8ikt | heya KrisAbsinthe_- |
| 23:07.35 | zandini | I am having a bit of problem making qemu-local with MokoMakefile.. It fails with "moko/build/qemu/uImage-2.6.*-om-gta01.bin: No such file or directory". |
| 23:07.47 | zandini | I am trying to build one for freerunner.. |
| 23:08.11 | KrisAbsinthe_- | kd8ikt: whats up |
| 23:08.21 | peepsalot | hmm, i guess google maps does the same thing, just that type of map representation does that. |
| 23:08.53 | zandini | but then, my moko/build/qemu directory doesn't have any uImage*.bin.. |
| 23:10.10 | zandini | My target build worked fine though.. Am I supposed to just copy the necessary files from moko/build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/om-gta02 directory to qemu directory? |
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| 23:11.24 | blan | can i build the new gta02 with this howto: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu ? |
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| 23:13.57 | mmaestri2 | i am writing this from my freerunner |
| 23:14.17 | AntonTakk | nice |
| 23:14.51 | mmaestri2 | kinda hard to get used to... |
| 23:15.01 | ajbrun | what irc software are you using? |
| 23:15.08 | Chox | bitchx! |
| 23:15.28 | UndrWater | bets irssi |
| 23:15.42 | CVirus | mIRC |
| 23:15.44 | ajbrun | good point |
| 23:15.47 | ajbrun | lol |
| 23:15.49 | mmaestri2 | nope...pidgin...:p |
| 23:15.52 | AntonTakk | i can imagine, it wasn't easy with a hardware kb on my wing, and the fr's soft qwerty kbs are no amazingly quick thing |
| 23:15.54 | Chox | stabs. |
| 23:17.15 | mmaestri | it was the only one I've found so far |
| 23:17.35 | AntonTakk | gotta make sure to install all the extra qtopia-x11 apps after this flash before running to 2007.2 apps to fill in the blanks |
| 23:17.39 | kd8ikt | speaking of irssi |
| 23:17.48 | kd8ikt | runs off to try compiling it for the moko |
| 23:18.10 | UndrWater | kd8ikt: it's already available |
| 23:18.41 | kd8ikt | yeah but i wanna make it myself |
| 23:18.48 | kd8ikt | xscreensaver would be nice |
| 23:19.01 | kd8ikt | i could find some fun things to do with sonar |
| 23:19.13 | AntonTakk | hehe |
| 23:19.22 | kd8ikt | mod it to show gsm wifi and gps |
| 23:19.32 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 23:19.53 | AntonTakk | distance from center - link qiality? |
| 23:20.05 | kd8ikt | snds neat dont it |
| 23:20.05 | lolalol | how can I import my thunderbird contacts in the freerunner ? |
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| 23:21.04 | AntonTakk | kd8ikt: cept what it'd do to the battery life :) |
| 23:21.30 | kd8ikt | still be fun to play with |
| 23:21.43 | kd8ikt | oh cant forget bluetooth aswell |
| 23:22.02 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 23:22.05 | kd8ikt | hm does hcitool even report signal strength |
| 23:22.12 | AntonTakk | not sure |
| 23:22.20 | kd8ikt | doesnt have any blutooth dev's around here |
| 23:22.58 | kd8ikt | cept my fone |
| 23:23.25 | AntonTakk | untill i thought about it i was gonna recommend having it plot various wifi APs, bt devices, and cell towers, but no way to know where they are |
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| 23:25.56 | lolalol | reading http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td535240 |
| 23:26.16 | Yashy | kd8ikt: CQ from VE7 land :) |
| 23:28.37 | Yashy | lolalol: Lemme know if you come across a manual way to edit a flatfile of contacts. I tried to edit ~/.evolution/*addressbook.db which it didn't like. |
| 23:29.01 | Yashy | lolalol: There is also apparently a known issue when it only pulls random people from your SIM card to contacts on each boot |
| 23:29.06 | kd8ikt | where in gods name is VE |
| 23:29.22 | Yashy | above you :) |
| 23:29.31 | Yashy | looks down at kd8ikt |
| 23:29.32 | kd8ikt | canada |
| 23:29.41 | Yashy | Yup, and 7 is West coast |
| 23:30.12 | Yashy | get ax.25 ported to the NF yet? :) |
| 23:30.39 | kd8ikt | dunno whats in the kernel |
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| 23:31.31 | Yashy | NSA_KEY? :) |
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| 23:36.14 | lolalol | Yashy: I exported to LDIF my thunderbird address book, then imported in Kontact, then exported to a single VCF file. |
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| 23:36.49 | lolalol | I need to figure out what to do with the VCF file now :-) |
| 23:37.53 | lolalol | reading http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts |
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| 23:42.35 | jOERG_zzZZzz | Yashy: no NSA_KEY - - jOERG_KEY ;-) [kindly supported by raster security inc] |
| 23:44.04 | Chox | sad. |
| 23:44.37 | roh | re |
| 23:44.42 | Chox | ruh roh |
| 23:45.10 | roh | man.. just read a bit of glamo documentation and answer mails with detailquestions... that thing isnt so bad seen from the docs. |
| 23:45.13 | jOERG_rw | roh: mooo |
| 23:45.20 | Chox | heh |
| 23:45.23 | Chox | good. |
| 23:45.27 | roh | just tricky to use right propably... but has some really nice features... |
| 23:45.36 | roh | atleast it seems so... |
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| 23:45.46 | Chox | people just love being negative, I think |
| 23:45.53 | Chox | I think Glamo will work out just fine. |
| 23:46.10 | roh | one has the feeling of nearly seeing latches folding up in the air when reading it... some engineers had fun there |
| 23:46.36 | Chox | awaiteth 3D trickery |
| 23:47.11 | roh | could imagine one could do more with it than the manuf knows it can.. some things have 'generic' smell... where some bit-combinations are valid ops, and the rest is just 'reserved' |
| 23:47.23 | jOERG_rw | ask raster, think there's some harsh limits regarding buffer size etc |
| 23:47.32 | roh | 3d i dunno.. |
| 23:47.34 | Chox | well, that's true of any hackable device. People always do unexpected stuff |
| 23:47.46 | Chox | I mean, the C64 has ethernet, for goodness sake |
| 23:47.57 | roh | not that there is real use for it... besides that textures can only have 8bit long sides.. means 256x256 pixels max... hard limit... |
| 23:48.13 | Chox | Doomtastic |
| 23:48.25 | roh | and i will surely not even dare to try wrinting tiling code there.. someone else will need to take that pain (if it does make sense at all) |
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| 23:48.30 | jOERG_rw | there's also been sth like 512*512 for 3D |
| 23:48.33 | Chox | that's how big the textures were in original Doom |
| 23:49.26 | jOERG_rw | according to raster. the 3d render buffer IIRC |
| 23:50.33 | jOERG_rw | I always hear "it's not designed for VGA, we're already pushing it beyond limits" |
| 23:50.45 | roh | who cares about 3d.. it needs to blit, fast, with alpha and colorkeying... the rest is just silly fancypants and energy consumption, but will not help gaining any real feature or niceness besides bling |
| 23:51.00 | jOERG_rw | ACK |
| 23:51.18 | Chox | playing movies well of course is of course an obvious target. But that seems to be mostly there. |
| 23:51.25 | jOERG_rw | [2008-07-25 07:46] * Chox awaiteth 3D trickery |
| 23:51.27 | Chox | -of course |
| 23:51.42 | Chox | joejarvis: pfft. I'm just sayin'. I know what is important. |
| 23:51.46 | Chox | gah |
| 23:51.49 | Chox | joerg_rw |
| 23:51.50 | chillywilly | do they make bluetooth mini keyboards cause that would come in handy |
| 23:51.56 | chillywilly | :P |
| 23:52.10 | Chox | anyways. see you clowns later. |
| 23:52.15 | Chox | and good luck with glamo. |
| 23:52.16 | roh | actually that was the first person who reached me with a detailed question for meaning of bits in specific registers... still the most people rather cry about glamo, than to the right thing and first get something usefull out of it and cry when done everything that makes real sense to optimize |
| 23:52.40 | roh | Chox xvideo is implemented in xglamo already and seems to work ok |
| 23:52.45 | Chox | yessir |
| 23:52.46 | Chox | off! |
| 23:53.13 | chillywilly | http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=725 <-- that would be nice to have with a freerunner |
| 23:53.17 | kelvie_work | someone wanna change the topic? or is the 850 still in stock? :p |
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| 23:54.03 | DaveLab | rut roh |
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| 23:54.30 | DaveLab | joerg :) |
| 23:54.37 | DaveLab | How is everyone? |
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| 23:55.01 | chillywilly | http://www.hackerstickers.com/products/frogpad-bluetooth-mini-keyboard.shtml <-- or that |
| 23:55.04 | lolalol | http://www.smurfy.de/files/neo/import_contacts does not work |
| 23:55.10 | lolalol | on freerunner |
| 23:56.15 | lolalol | what application keeps the address book ? |
| 23:56.38 | *** join/#openmoko BlackBsd (n=brian@72.168.193.117) |
| 23:56.45 | kelvie_work | is there any news on when the next shipment of 850s will be? |
| 23:57.20 | aggtrfrad | thats pretty neat |
| 23:57.22 | aggtrfrad | http://freedominput.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=30 |
