| 00:00.16 | BBishop | every computer's nightmare is to dream "0101012 |
| 00:00.31 | KrisAbsinthe | SpeedEvil: on top of the WiFi idea for the GTA01, if you can hack the gsm 850 for it i would pay you for your time and materials |
| 00:01.59 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: not happening. |
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| 00:02.23 | KrisAbsinthe | i figured that lol |
| 00:02.32 | Dave | Pimp My Freerunner! |
| 00:02.32 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: even if you only mean swap 850/900 - it'd be a firmware upgrade, which nobody who hasn't done the NDA thing can. |
| 00:03.13 | SpeedEvil | And I've no idea how complicated the rework is. It could even in theory require expensive (100K+) testgear. |
| 00:03.18 | KrisAbsinthe | SpeedEvil: thought it would be worth a shot lol |
| 00:04.31 | jagernot | stroller: if i got the freerunner, can i use it to make / receive calls in uk as of today..which software image should i use |
| 00:04.48 | Stroller | jagernot: yes. Not sure. |
| 00:04.50 | johngay | So, judging from the mailing list, the cap H/W fix might not be needed after all? |
| 00:05.30 | Stroller | jagernot: I'm using the factory 2007.2, updated with `opkg update && opkg upgrade` - it works |
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| 00:06.25 | goldenhawk | I got A2DP 'working' .. but it's really choppy like it's too slow or something. |
| 00:06.35 | Zorkman | when i do tar -C /mnt/moko/ -xvf openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.tar.gz i get "tar: invalid tar magic" |
| 00:06.38 | goldenhawk | Anyone else tried A2DP? |
| 00:06.45 | Zorkman | the command comes from the wiki, what am i doing wrong? |
| 00:07.01 | SpeedEvil | johncylee1: perhaps not. |
| 00:07.07 | SpeedEvil | johngay: |
| 00:07.43 | johngay | Zorkman: you need the z option to un-gzip that tar.gz file |
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| 00:07.51 | Zorkman | tar -z ? |
| 00:07.57 | SpeedEvil | johngay: I haven't seen numbers for interference with the various drive strength options. |
| 00:08.04 | BBishop | -xzf ( -xzvf for verbose ) yes. |
| 00:08.16 | Zorkman | thanks! |
| 00:08.17 | johngay | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.33 | Zorkman | i'll update it on the wiki |
| 00:08.41 | SpeedEvil | johngay: without any cap |
| 00:08.42 | kelvie_work | mm newer versions of tar detect that correctly |
| 00:09.09 | kelvie_work | gnu tar anyways |
| 00:09.50 | BBishop | like the one I have in gentoo (1.20) |
| 00:09.57 | johngay | tar is a Tape ARchive utility. By default it operates with tape drives. the nessisary options in this case are z: ungzip x: extract v: verbose f: file |
| 00:10.27 | johngay | Newer versions of tar can auto-detect compressed files, but that's only a recent addition. |
| 00:11.05 | BBishop | z: gunzip :) |
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| 00:13.44 | josch | johngay, obviously you do not use gnu tar but busybox tar |
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| 00:14.18 | josch | leaving out -z or -j with gnu tar is possible for years now |
| 00:14.37 | johngay | No, I've only used gnu tar. But older versions didn't auto uncompress. |
| 00:14.56 | josch | johngay, arent you extracting on the device? |
| 00:15.22 | josch | it's not about autouncompress but auto-file-type-detection |
| 00:15.56 | josch | a command like tar -C /mnt/moko/ .... sounds like you are extracting on the freerunner itself |
| 00:16.13 | johngay | This was when I was building LFS. |
| 00:16.41 | johngay | I was only correcting the line he copied from the wiki. I don't know what it does (= |
| 00:17.04 | josch | okay good |
| 00:22.02 | johngay | So, who's porting xmame to the FreeRunner then? |
| 00:24.48 | Zorkman | i followed the steps from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD and i get a bad magic number error when trying to boot |
| 00:25.54 | Zorkman | anyone any experience? |
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| 00:26.42 | Stroller | Have you tried incanting "abracadabra" and waving your wand? |
| 00:27.05 | KrisAbsinthe | I got Bad Magic before, I think it was a bad flash or I used the GTA02 for my 01 |
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| 00:28.44 | Tsingi | Zorkman: I get unable to read image.bin, still investigating. The message doesn't stay there very long. |
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| 00:29.13 | Zorkman | Tsingi: it's the same :) |
| 00:29.44 | Tsingi | Zorkman: ok, I downloaded the bootstrap util and an image, that's where I'm at. |
| 00:30.11 | Zorkman | i used a ext2 partition but the mail @ http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td471774 seems to suggest ext3 would have been a better choise |
| 00:30.31 | Zorkman | gonna hit the sack now, tomorrow is a new day :) |
| 00:30.45 | Tsingi | I hadn't gotten that far and I'm tired too:) |
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| 00:33.48 | johngay | Maybe the pigs blood on your severed chicken's foot is too dry? |
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| 00:38.25 | Tsingi | johngay: I was using goat blood and a rooster foot, that won't work? |
| 00:39.16 | johngay | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.42 | Tsingi | ok, I'll see if I can get a plane ticket. |
| 00:40.07 | Tsingi | I guess I ahve lots of time to do that. |
| 00:43.25 | johngay | I'm just wondering how the lack of buttons is gonna effect the xmane port??? |
| 00:46.50 | biovore | anyone have any luck with the stock Free Runner firmware getting wifi working on a AP with wep |
| 00:47.33 | Tsingi | I'm trying to enter less /proc/filesystems in the terminal and I can't find '/' |
| 00:47.56 | johngay | That's cause it's not there, I've heard. |
| 00:48.13 | Tsingi | that could be a problem |
| 00:49.40 | johngay | There's been lots of talk about that on the M/L. |
| 00:50.41 | Tsingi | I guess cd proc; less filesystems works |
| 00:50.45 | johngay | I think there's a file you can mod to add it, but you'll need the '/' to mod the file. |
| 00:51.43 | Toaster` | Is it possible to get any of the PCB schematics of the FR? I've poked around but can't see anything jumping out at me. Am I missing the forest for the trees? |
| 00:51.44 | Tsingi | catch 22 |
| 00:51.46 | Stroller | Tsingi: updating the "Getting Started FAQ" to answer your / question |
| 00:52.05 | Tsingi | ok |
| 00:52.13 | johngay | Steve said the schematics are coming soon (= |
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| 00:53.31 | Toaster` | ok, I have a cp-worker interested in seeing it. He's an EMC eng who's interest was piked at the GPS fix |
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| 01:00.19 | Stroller | Tsingi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_FAQ |
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| 01:01.58 | johngay | Now that's what I call service (= |
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| 01:03.22 | Toaster` | Anyone out there already do the 10pF cap fix for the SD/GPS issue? |
| 01:03.57 | AntonTakk | not I, i might have the equipment, but not the skill :-\ |
| 01:04.21 | montgoss | Anyone using Freerunner with A2DP headset successfully? |
| 01:05.00 | Toaster` | AntonTakk: it's a tricky solder if you're not used to soldering |
| 01:05.12 | SpeedEvil | Toaster`: soldering SMD |
| 01:06.15 | Toaster` | SpeedEvil: I'm having a co-worker in the assembly lab do the fix for me... I know it's too tricky for me :) |
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| 01:06.30 | johngay | Recent kernel mod's may have made the H/W mod un-nessisary. |
| 01:06.33 | Tsingi | Stroller: setting up usb seems to be a good thing to do at this point anyway. |
| 01:06.48 | Stroller | Tsingi: it's basically the essential first step |
| 01:06.56 | Stroller | I tried without & it's a real pain |
| 01:06.56 | rtm | Does anyone know if the most recent kernel images available under the openmoko.com download site have the software fix for the microSD-GPS interaction? |
| 01:07.04 | SpeedEvil | johngay: it seems less needed - it sounds like there may be a problem still - if you want good coverage in poor conditions. |
| 01:08.03 | AntonTakk | Toaster`: i'm quite familiar with soldering, just not on that scale |
| 01:08.26 | Gnutoo | hello,does someone knows well open embedded(i had no response in #oe)...i'm trying to build a more recent version of wesnoth with scons(because with autotools it uses /usr/include...i patched the Makefile.am but inside src/ i had another Makefile.am where there was no /usr/include inside but the /usr/include was generated by a default in Makefile.in then get inside Makefile) and cmake or scons will be the future build |
| 01:08.26 | Gnutoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.00 | montgoss | Bluetooth? Anyone? |
| 01:11.17 | johngay | I've got a gold tooth. Does that help? |
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| 01:36.00 | Tsingi | Neo doesn't seem to want to talk to my dev server on USB, lots of fail messages when I plug it in too. But it responds to my laptop. |
| 01:36.35 | SpeedEvil | It's plugged into a powered hub, or a direct motherboard port? |
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| 01:37.44 | Tsingi | SpeedEvil: there are tons of ports, I'd rather use the server. It did occur to me to try others. |
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| 01:37.53 | Tsingi | I'll do that. |
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| 01:38.48 | SpeedEvil | It may be requesting more current than is available to charge. I'm unsure what'd happen in that situation. |
| 01:40.34 | mmaestri | it's me or the asu is barely unusable because of the glamo? or its bus |
| 01:41.06 | SirBob1701 | mmaestri: i think its a crapload smoother then 2007.2 |
| 01:41.13 | SirBob1701 | i'm using it as my daily phone |
| 01:41.24 | kd8ikt | uses 2007.2 |
| 01:41.45 | kd8ikt | i havent even tried anything else |
| 01:44.26 | swc|666 | so ASU.. thumbs upor down vs 2007.2? |
| 01:44.35 | swc|666 | up or * |
| 01:45.31 | montgoss | ASU didn't work at all for me. couldn't make or receive calls. 2007.2 is being used as my primary phone |
| 01:46.42 | Tsingi | SpeedEvil: I got an interface using a port on the front of the server, but I get no ping. I did get one from the laptop. I did reboot neo. |
| 01:46.58 | SpeedEvil | module differences? |
| 01:47.22 | SpeedEvil | Tsingi: oyu need cdc_ether IIRC |
| 01:48.42 | Tsingi | usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-....... |
| 01:48.55 | Tsingi | (dmesg) |
| 01:49.37 | Tsingi | ick, it's mentioning IPv6. |
| 01:49.44 | swc|666 | btw... has anyone been able to get pppd running for at&t? if so, are there scripts published at all? |
| 01:49.45 | Tsingi | how do I dump that? |
| 01:50.07 | Tsingi | (usb0: no IPv6 routers present) |
| 01:52.13 | SpeedEvil | Tsingi: Dunno - worked for me. |
| 01:53.13 | Tsingi | SpeedEvil: that seems to be the only diference betwen laptop and server. I know I dumped IPv6 config from my AMD months ago, but I forgot how I did it. |
| 01:53.22 | Tsingi | I'll find it. |
| 01:54.05 | SpeedEvil | you have tried ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 ? |
| 01:55.03 | Tsingi | no, 200. |
| 01:55.25 | SpeedEvil | err - right |
| 01:55.49 | Tsingi | k |
| 01:56.54 | Tsingi | It's looking like disabling IPv6 *is* the answer. |
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| 02:03.26 | Dave | :) |
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| 02:10.44 | ChandleWEi | have anyone tell me your battery model, just in battery second line |
| 02:10.53 | AntonTakk | swc|666: my two cents- 2007.2 wouldn't even register to the cell network, i use asu from 7/15 daily |
| 02:11.42 | swc|666 | AntonTakk: thanks... i'm going to flash and test my mileage |
| 02:12.37 | Dave | zoom zoom? |
| 02:16.23 | ChandleWEi | what are your battery's model? GTC-01/GTA-01? |
| 02:17.42 | kd8ikt | hm must have some sort of weird sim cause mine works like a charm (2007.2) |
| 02:17.44 | mwester | That's the battery model for the GTA01 (neo). |
| 02:17.56 | mwester | The model for the GTA02 (freerunner) is "GTA02". |
| 02:18.19 | montgoss | Is anyone using bluetooth with their Neo? |
| 02:19.21 | pjz | anyone know what's what in the daily builds? |
| 02:19.33 | AntonTakk | kd8ikt: i did discover after flashing that it was more reliable if i scooted the sim over after locking it in place, maybe i should re-flash a recent 2007.2 and try again |
| 02:19.39 | pjz | which of the uImages goes with the ASU build? and what's .nosummary mean? |
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| 02:20.18 | AntonTakk | is there a way to create a copy of the image curently on a freerunner? |
| 02:20.24 | ChandleWEi | mwester: in freerunner on battery second line it is print Model: GTC-01/GTA-01 ?or Model: GTA-02? |
| 02:20.31 | kd8ikt | dfu can i believe |
| 02:20.42 | SpeedEvil | dd |
| 02:20.48 | AntonTakk | dd?? |
| 02:21.07 | AntonTakk | and the image mabe with dd can be flashed back to the fr? |
| 02:21.07 | mwester | pjz: The uImages are kernels; they match your hardware (gta01 or gta02). The jffs is the root filesystem, it comes in two flavors, one with summary information for jffs (slightly faster) and one without. |
| 02:21.09 | KrisAbsinthe | kd8ikt: I passed my test at HOPE Ill let you know my call sign when I get it |
| 02:21.19 | mwester | ChandleWEi: GTA-02 for the freerunner |
| 02:21.23 | montgoss | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup |
| 02:21.31 | AntonTakk | montgoss: thanks :) |
| 02:21.32 | pjz | mwester: I know the uImages are kernels, but there's two of them... which goes with the ASU? |
| 02:21.41 | ChandleWEi | mwester: thx |
| 02:21.57 | pjz | mwester: one is ' uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin' and one has a git hash in its name |
| 02:22.18 | mwester | pjz: the short name is a symbolic link to the longer one. |
| 02:22.44 | pjz | mwester: ah! okay, thanks for the info! |
| 02:22.53 | pjz | mwester: also.. what's in your build? :) |
| 02:23.51 | kd8ikt | cool beans KrisAbsinthe |
| 02:23.53 | mwester | The same stuff that's in the OM builds, but I add some debug options to the code, and I add some code that enables APM to better manage the GSM on suspend and resume. |
| 02:24.04 | Tsingi | SpeedEvil: lost the ipv6 message, but I still get no ping. grr. |
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| 02:24.21 | KrisAbsinthe | I hate IPv6 |
| 02:24.27 | kd8ikt | loves it |
| 02:24.36 | kd8ikt | else i wouldnt have this cool hostmask |
| 02:24.43 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.46 | KrisAbsinthe | It needs to be stabilized a bit i think |
| 02:25.04 | montgoss | where is this build of mwester's? |
| 02:25.39 | mwester | It's a few days out of date compared to Andy's latest work on the freerunner charging problem, but it's at http://moko.mwester.net/ |
| 02:26.04 | Stroller | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.06 | pjz | mwester: does Andy's latest stuff have your battery-life-extending stuff? |
| 02:26.13 | KrisAbsinthe | nice dog |
| 02:26.56 | AntonTakk | anyone had problems with recent 2007.2 daily builds? |
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| 02:27.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4551 10/trunk/feeds/community-repository/file-index.txt: Community-Repository: add cc-right comic book :-) |
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| 02:27.29 | montgoss | the 22nd's build is pretty stable for me |
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| 02:29.07 | KrisAbsinthe | mwester: do you have the jiffs2 available with power managment? |
| 02:29.35 | kd8ikt | how do i boot nor? |
| 02:29.35 | chillywilly | I wish the freerunner had a keyboard and a stylus holder |
| 02:29.42 | chillywilly | slide out keyboard |
| 02:29.44 | kd8ikt | holding aux isnt doing it |
| 02:29.45 | chillywilly | that'd be nice |
| 02:29.57 | SpeedEvil | slide-out javelin. |
| 02:30.06 | mwester | Nope, if you click deep enough you can download a very small tar file with the APM config files that match the kernel -- it just gets added to the base 2007.2 image. It's really very very easy. |
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| 02:33.54 | carrar | Connected to sita.openmoko.org. |
| 02:33.54 | carrar | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 02:33.54 | carrar | helo . |
| 02:33.54 | carrar | 554 SMTP synchronization error |
| 02:33.54 | carrar | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 02:33.55 | carrar | hahah |
| 02:33.59 | carrar | they rock |
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| 02:37.41 | kd8ikt | ok i get it now ;hold AUX then power for NOR power then AUX for NAND |
| 02:39.47 | chillywilly | it says that on the wiki on the getting started page :) |
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| 02:40.07 | chillywilly | rtfw ;) |
| 02:40.17 | kd8ikt | nah the only place i found it was http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 02:40.26 | wastrel | hi hi |
| 02:42.16 | wastrel | out of stock, that's good right? |
| 02:42.30 | carrar | You got one? |
| 02:42.53 | chillywilly | kd8ikt: well the wiki has been edited since then so I guess I am wrong |
| 02:43.07 | kd8ikt | hey car did u see wifiweasel? |
| 02:43.17 | carrar | no |
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| 02:43.36 | kd8ikt | ;) i still need to go walkabout and see how it performs in real life |
| 02:43.56 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifiweasel |
| 02:44.22 | chillywilly | kd8ikt: it is linked from the wiki this wiki page though -> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
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| 02:46.51 | kd8ikt | its lame and took me 2 days to get to work i should rewrite it |
| 02:47.29 | montgoss | anyone ever see this error when doing bluetooth stuff? |
| 02:47.29 | montgoss | HCI authentication request failed: Connection timed out |
| 02:48.05 | montgoss | holy shit... i think it paired! |
| 02:48.27 | AntonTakk | hrm, my backup (so far) is 130MB+ heh |
| 02:50.07 | chillywilly | cool, guitar tuner application |
| 02:50.24 | montgoss | any ideas on this? Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so |
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| 02:51.58 | AntonTakk | montgoss: look for a alsa package that mentions bt in the name? |
| 02:53.29 | montgoss | how do you look for packages? I did "opkg search *alsa*", but don't see any with bt in the name. I never seem to find anything using opkg search |
| 02:53.29 | AntonTakk | i really didn't think i had this much junk installed/downloaded |
| 02:53.50 | AntonTakk | montgoss: i have been using opkg list | grep xyz |
| 02:54.12 | chillywilly | how big is the NAND flash again? |
| 02:54.22 | montgoss | yah, i just did that. don't see any mention of bluetooth |
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| 02:54.38 | AntonTakk | montgoss: try asound and bt as well? |
| 02:54.45 | AntonTakk | or blue |
| 02:54.49 | SpeedEvil | chillywilly: 256Mbit |
| 02:54.52 | SpeedEvil | chillywilly: 256Myte |
| 02:54.54 | SpeedEvil | byte |
| 02:55.03 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 02:55.07 | SpeedEvil | Sorry, I may be confused. |
| 02:55.16 | SpeedEvil | 64M in GTA01, 128M in GTA02 |
| 02:55.19 | nullpuppy | rootfs 246.6M 68.9M 177.8M 28% / |
| 02:55.26 | nullpuppy | that looks like 256 |
| 02:55.34 | nullpuppy | is nor 128? |
| 02:55.35 | montgoss | libasound2 in root is up to date |
| 02:55.36 | SpeedEvil | I think that's compressed |
| 02:55.42 | nullpuppy | hmm, that could be |
| 02:56.07 | SpeedEvil | I'm not 100% sure of the flash in FR |
| 02:56.55 | pjz | thinks it's 256MB too |
| 02:57.11 | nullpuppy | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware |
| 02:57.14 | pjz | but I could be wrong |
| 02:57.14 | SpeedEvil | votes for 74 terabytes. |
| 02:57.26 | nullpuppy | that says 64MB SDRAM, 256MB NAND |
| 02:57.31 | pjz | One MEEEELION MB! |
| 02:57.50 | pjz | puts his pinky to his mouth |
| 02:57.52 | SpeedEvil | wishes there were RAID SD connectors. |
| 02:57.54 | nullpuppy | NOR is 16Mbit |
| 02:58.03 | AntonTakk | this rootfs backup is going to be a full 256 m no matter how much space was actually used, huh? |
| 02:58.05 | pjz | sweet |
| 02:58.22 | pjz | AntonTakk: how are you doing the backup? |
| 02:58.26 | AntonTakk | SpeedEvil: should be able to do softraid, no? |
| 02:58.35 | AntonTakk | pjz: dfu-util |
| 02:58.44 | SpeedEvil | AntonTakk: I mean mechanical |
| 02:58.55 | AntonTakk | ah, hardware raid sd |
| 02:59.06 | pjz | AntonTakk: oh. well, the download will be 256M, but the 'unused' space will compress well |
| 02:59.06 | SpeedEvil | AntonTakk: a connector that has 10*microSD in a 10*15*20mm package or so. |
| 02:59.13 | chillywilly | 256MB seems more like what is in my phone |
| 02:59.19 | chillywilly | root@om-gta02:~# df -h / |
| 02:59.20 | chillywilly | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 02:59.20 | chillywilly | rootfs 246.6M 51.3M 195.3M 21% / |
| 02:59.48 | pjz | AntonTakk: when I mess with compressing raw fs's that my xen images use, the empty space compresses quite well (since it's all zeroes) |
| 03:00.20 | chillywilly | 128MB RAM according to 'free' |
| 03:00.51 | nullpuppy | 128MB SDRAM (64MB inside 2442 MCP, 1x Samsung K4M51323PC) attached to S3C2442 SDRAM controller |
| 03:00.52 | AntonTakk | pjz: i don't care about using 256m on my desktop's hd, i was just sure i hadn't used more than 96 mb of storage on the phone :) |
| 03:01.03 | nullpuppy | chillywilly: so, yup, total of 128 |
| 03:01.27 | pjz | AntonTakk: ah. I figured you were backing up to S3 or something and wanted to save bytes :) |
| 03:01.36 | AntonTakk | nah |
| 03:01.55 | AntonTakk | 300+ gb /home, i can store images till the cows come home :) |
| 03:02.35 | AntonTakk | 211, not long now :) |
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| 03:03.15 | AntonTakk | i really hope this 2007.2 image works for me, asu really is noticeably sluggish |
| 03:04.17 | chillywilly | i dual boot to qtopia as that actually makes the phone usable ;) |
| 03:05.01 | chillywilly | run the other stuff for hacking purposes and can readily boot into when needed |
| 03:05.19 | montgoss | what isn't usable about OM2007.2? |
| 03:05.25 | AntonTakk | asu is quite useable for me, it's just slow |
| 03:05.30 | chillywilly | the SMS app is not so good |
| 03:05.48 | montgoss | oh, people use SMS? ;-) |
| 03:05.57 | chillywilly | yes, for nagios pages at work |
| 03:05.58 | AntonTakk | montgoss: with the 2007.2 images i have tried so far, i always get an error that accorting to trac, was resolved like 6 months ago :) |
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| 03:06.26 | AntonTakk | chillywilly: you too? except the nagios pages haven't been coming in for some reason, all others do thou |
| 03:06.47 | AntonTakk | maybe they are to big and are coming as mms and that's where the problem is |
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| 03:07.07 | SirBob1701 | is there a way to set the gtk theme in ASU? |
| 03:07.09 | chillywilly | my provider just breaks the messages up |
| 03:07.20 | chillywilly | into 1 of 2 or what not |
| 03:07.29 | chillywilly | which the 2007.2 and other SMS apps render horribly |
| 03:07.32 | AntonTakk | SirBob1701: create .gtkrc-2.0 in $HOME |
| 03:07.41 | chillywilly | and it seems that parts of the messages are missing |
| 03:07.55 | AntonTakk | SirBob1701: also want to set font to something like serif 4 |
| 03:07.56 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: ok |
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| 03:07.59 | SirBob1701 | i'll have to look up an example |
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| 03:08.27 | AntonTakk | SirBob1701: i can give you mine as soon as this backup finishes |
| 03:08.31 | SirBob1701 | ok |
| 03:08.33 | chillywilly | qtopia groups them together and allows me to actually read them when trying to use my device as a 'phone' ;P |
| 03:08.37 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: thanks :D |
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| 03:10.10 | AntonTakk | SirBob1701: include "/usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc" |
| 03:10.11 | AntonTakk | gtk-font-name = "Sans 4" |
| 03:10.21 | AntonTakk | after installing the theme and theme engine/etc |
| 03:10.22 | AntonTakk | :) |
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| 03:10.47 | SirBob1701 | i figured they were needed thanks for the help i truely appreciate it |
| 03:10.53 | AntonTakk | np |
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| 03:11.14 | AntonTakk | i spent almost a week trying to figure that riddle out till someone helped me :) |
| 03:11.26 | SirBob1701 | haha i believe it |
| 03:11.40 | SirBob1701 | so much little shit you need to know to get that kinda stuff going |
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| 03:12.43 | AntonTakk | yep |
| 03:13.04 | SirBob1701 | lol i'm watching starship troopers 3 |
| 03:13.09 | SirBob1701 | not bad for a made for tv movie |
| 03:15.32 | AntonTakk | nice :) |
| 03:16.15 | AntonTakk | i hope my whole problem with 2007.2 was just my sim :) |
| 03:16.34 | AntonTakk | would be very nice to have 2007.2's features |
| 03:16.45 | SpeedEvil | hooks up a generator to Robert Anson Heinlein. |
| 03:16.57 | SpeedEvil | 10.4KW, from him spinning in his grave. |
| 03:16.59 | AntonTakk | o.O |
| 03:17.08 | AntonTakk | haha |
| 03:17.08 | SirBob1701 | ? |
| 03:17.22 | AntonTakk | heinlen wrote the book starship troopers |
| 03:17.33 | AntonTakk | heinlein* |
| 03:17.35 | SirBob1701 | oh lol i could believe he is |
| 03:17.46 | SirBob1701 | but hell i like b movies |
| 03:18.15 | AntonTakk | not all b movies are bad |
| 03:18.22 | SirBob1701 | :D |
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| 03:20.40 | SirBob1701 | is there an easyway to downgrade packages? |
| 03:21.31 | AntonTakk | not afaik |
| 03:21.39 | SirBob1701 | afaik? |
| 03:21.40 | AntonTakk | except re-flash :) |
| 03:21.46 | SirBob1701 | ya |
| 03:21.47 | SirBob1701 | figured |
| 03:21.49 | AntonTakk | As Far As I Know |
| 03:21.50 | rivalarrival | as far as i know |
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| 03:31.25 | AntonTakk | :( same error I always get with 2007.2 |
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| 03:45.27 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Copyrights lol look at the bottom |
| 03:45.41 | kd8ikt | A trademark license fee may be collected by FIC when you use the OpenMoko word |
| 03:46.02 | kd8ikt | so does that mean if i say "openmoko" i have to pay FIC like 10$? |
| 03:46.16 | cjb | "use" has a legal meaning there, methinks |
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| 03:46.28 | coffee1 | ITS SIMPLE |
| 03:46.32 | coffee1 | KILL THE BATMAN. |
| 03:46.33 | kd8ikt | heh i know but literally it sounds funny as hell |
| 03:46.38 | stevenSn | it's written in a wiki, it must be true |
| 03:46.49 | coffee1 | GREETINGS earthlings. |
| 03:47.20 | kd8ikt | how do i delete a wiki page? i made a F-up and cant get rid of my sin |
| 03:47.26 | coffee1 | so drunk |
| 03:47.32 | coffee1 | did you edit george bush? |
| 03:47.37 | Stroller | kd8ikt: which page is it? |
| 03:47.52 | kd8ikt | ugh i'd like to keep it a secret |
| 03:48.02 | kd8ikt | and delete it before anyone sees it |
| 03:48.05 | Stroller | lol |
| 03:48.07 | Stroller | PM it to me |
| 03:48.18 | kd8ikt | i dont want you to know of it either |
| 03:48.33 | Stroller | :P |
| 03:48.42 | Stroller | Well, stuff you pal |
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| 03:49.01 | Stroller | I'm looking at the "recent changes" page |
| 03:49.28 | coffee1 | i highly recommend coding while drunk |
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| 03:49.56 | IguanaNed | good evening all |
| 03:50.08 | coffee1 | good evening |
| 03:52.39 | Stroller | I can't see how to delete a while page, kd8ikt - best thing to do is email Brenda if you want that |
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| 04:04.05 | SpeedEvil | Is it just porn spam? |
| 04:04.13 | SpeedEvil | You can't delete a page as a normal user. |
| 04:04.16 | SpeedEvil | Just blank it. |
| 04:05.12 | SirBob1701 | \q |
| 04:09.15 | ieatlint | i got my invisibleshield cover in the mail today |
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| 04:11.04 | SpeedEvil | It can't be very invisible then. |
| 04:11.21 | ieatlint | it is, i'm just that cool |
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| 04:14.42 | doc|home | how do you get a non-sucky input method in qtopia |
| 04:14.55 | doc|home | seems impossible to do a capital delete, no delete key |
| 04:15.06 | doc|home | s/capital delete/capital d/ |
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| 04:17.35 | ieatlint | doc|home, there are 3 different input methods on qtopia |
| 04:17.52 | doc|home | what's the third? |
| 04:18.01 | ieatlint | a handwriting recognition one, a predictive qwerty keyboard, and a full keyboard layout |
| 04:18.26 | doc|home | ieatlint: ok, but how do you delete when there's no delete key? :) |
| 04:18.48 | kd8ikt | then you're fucked |
| 04:18.52 | ieatlint | on the full keyboard layout there is a delete key, otherwise it uses "gestures" |
| 04:19.09 | ieatlint | draw a line across the keyboard from the right to the left |
| 04:19.10 | kd8ikt | wonders what a delete gesture would look like |
| 04:19.23 | ieatlint | draw it from left to right to make a space |
| 04:19.28 | doc|home | oh, wait, teeny keyboard |
| 04:19.39 | doc|home | this is practically unusable without stylus :/ |
| 04:19.47 | ieatlint | which one? |
| 04:19.49 | kd8ikt | toothpick |
| 04:19.54 | ieatlint | the one with the full layout -- arrow key and all? |
| 04:20.14 | kd8ikt | i hate this stylus i'm gonna end up tearing it apart |
| 04:20.19 | ieatlint | the other qwerty keyboard works for me without a stylus... you just have to press close and use dictionary words |
| 04:20.24 | doc|home | well, none of them are really usable |
| 04:20.51 | ieatlint | punctuation doesn't work with it though, hehe |
| 04:21.03 | doc|home | backspace key up against bezel, practically untouchable :/ |
| 04:21.38 | ieatlint | works for me... work on your hand-eye coordination :P |
| 04:21.48 | doc|home | :-/ |
| 04:22.50 | ieatlint | at some point i need to get back to writing that wifi app... |
| 04:23.23 | ieatlint | i sat on a train for 90min with a laptop and no internet working around with it... should be pretty easy to finish up |
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| 04:29.05 | jeffrey | Can someone point me to the project working on syncing the ASU to a Linux box. |
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| 04:34.14 | SpeedEvil | rsync |
| 04:34.16 | SpeedEvil | Job done. |
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| 04:45.06 | somnoliento | Stupid Question (just got my freerunner today): why do I need to set up usb networking instead of using wi-fi to talk to the phone? |
| 04:45.39 | ieatlint | you don't |
| 04:45.48 | rivalarrival | somnoliento: Lack of / key on keyboard makes USB networking easier |
| 04:45.50 | carrar | easier |
| 04:45.50 | ieatlint | the getting started guide says you can, but not should/must |
| 04:46.22 | ieatlint | but yeah, doing usb network is easier (doing usb networking to get your phone online is not) |
| 04:46.54 | somnoliento | no, i haven't got to the getting the phone on-line, I just want to ssh into it |
| 04:47.54 | rivalarrival | yeah, it's far easier to do it with USB than wifi... the phone is already configured for USB |
| 04:48.09 | rivalarrival | But, do whatever you feel like... |
| 04:48.17 | somnoliento | ...with ip address 192.168.0.202? |
| 04:48.34 | ieatlint | configuring wifi on the phone isn't easy |
| 04:48.41 | ieatlint | which is why i should get back to work :P |
| 04:49.00 | rivalarrival | somnoliento: Yes, that's the preconfigured address. |
| 04:49.05 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra41171fd3e44 10/packages/alsa/ (alsa-state.bb alsa-state/asound.conf alsa-state/asoundrc): alsa-state: fix standard alsa dmix configuration, it now works out-of-the-box |
| 04:49.05 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7c0b35ccf79d 10/packages/alsa/alsa-state.bb: alsa-state: install correct file |
| 04:49.11 | rivalarrival | for USB, at least. |
| 04:49.53 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: Are you working on wifiweasel? |
| 04:50.08 | ieatlint | nope |
| 04:50.25 | ieatlint | http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/ |
| 04:50.39 | somnoliento | oh, i got it, i'm in |
| 04:51.34 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: Oooh, Nice. |
| 04:52.24 | rivalarrival | somnoliento: USB or Wifi? |
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| 04:53.16 | somnoliento | usb. I don't know why it hadn't worked before |
| 04:53.56 | ieatlint | that's a preliminary setup |
| 04:54.10 | AntonTakk | anyone know if there is a command line client for phonekit? |
| 04:54.11 | ieatlint | i sat on a train for 90 min looking at it and deciding what to change and made a long list |
| 04:54.14 | somnoliento | ieatlint: those screenshots look great |
| 04:55.11 | ieatlint | if i don't slack too much, i can probably have it ready for a beta release tomorrow or the next day |
| 04:56.30 | ieatlint | who wrote wifiweasel? |
| 04:56.42 | ieatlint | oh, nm, kd8ikt |
| 04:58.17 | kd8ikt | i i did but i dont think its quite working |
| 04:58.38 | kd8ikt | tweaking it now |
| 04:59.09 | rivalarrival | kd8ikt: I've been looking for something like that for my eeepc for awhile now... |
| 04:59.32 | kd8ikt | should work with anything |
| 04:59.43 | kd8ikt | might need to fix a few commands but its still broke |
| 05:00.36 | ieatlint | well... i think wpa_supplicant does most of what wifiweasel does |
| 05:00.37 | kd8ikt | like if ping fails it still returns exit status 0 |
| 05:00.50 | nullpuppy | ok.. anyone know where the power management stuff for 2007.2 is? |
| 05:00.58 | ieatlint | just need to configure wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 05:01.10 | Chocky | oh good grief, KDE on a neo1973 |
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| 05:01.26 | Chocky | that's just wrong. |
| 05:01.27 | nullpuppy | Chocky: .... err.... what? |
| 05:01.32 | Chocky | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky-gbF1rgb4&NR=1 |
| 05:01.47 | Chocky | more specifically, Plasma |
| 05:03.08 | Chocky | hm, GPS picked up in my office, with SD card in. guess that kernel fix is working for me |
| 05:04.08 | nullpuppy | thats kind of frightening |
| 05:04.17 | nullpuppy | Chocky: awesome :) |
| 05:04.23 | nullpuppy | how long does it take you? |
| 05:04.32 | nullpuppy | (to get a fix) |
| 05:04.33 | Chocky | didn't time it, but not very long |
| 05:04.37 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 05:04.52 | Chocky | and tangogps finally took it upon itself to download the tiles |
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| 05:05.16 | Chocky | so now I can see where my office is on the map :p |
| 05:05.18 | nullpuppy | hehe, i've got some tiles, but not complete |
| 05:05.21 | nullpuppy | awesome ;) |
| 05:05.39 | nullpuppy | Chocky: have you gotten suspend/resume working? |
| 05:05.50 | Chocky | seems to be ok on latest GTK |
| 05:05.55 | Chocky | but the timeout is way too short |
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| 05:06.02 | nullpuppy | nods |
| 05:06.06 | nullpuppy | what did you do to get it enabled? |
| 05:06.12 | Chocky | "just works" |
| 05:06.15 | nullpuppy | hmm |
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| 05:06.26 | nullpuppy | how much battery life do you get? |
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| 05:08.49 | linuxxr | im on the verge of deciding that t-mobile usa just sucks |
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| 05:08.57 | nullpuppy | linuxxr: whys that? |
| 05:09.03 | nullpuppy | has tmobile and has been pretty happy |
| 05:09.15 | Chocky | im in ur grammar, eating your punctuations |
| 05:09.28 | AntonTakk | my tmobile sim works like a charm with asu, blows with 2007.2 |
| 05:09.31 | rivalarrival | linuxxr: What's the issue? I've been looking for a reason to hate t-mobile |
| 05:09.31 | linuxxr | went an bought a go phont thinking the sim would run on the freerunner |
| 05:09.47 | linuxxr | 2007.2 |
| 05:10.09 | rivalarrival | No good? |
| 05:10.33 | linuxxr | well i tried to activate it an they said no numbers were to be hadf |
| 05:10.42 | rivalarrival | What? |
| 05:10.46 | linuxxr | yup |
| 05:11.00 | rivalarrival | You bought a phone but couldn't get the number activated? |
| 05:11.20 | linuxxr | so i put it in the freerunner an it just says regeristering |
| 05:11.38 | kd8ikt | dont like it ieatlint ? |
| 05:11.48 | rivalarrival | If you haven't activated it, it's not going to work... |
| 05:11.49 | ieatlint | huh? |
| 05:11.59 | linuxxr | trioed to give me numbers from 3 different states |
| 05:12.08 | kd8ikt | wifiweasel |
| 05:12.17 | linuxxr | cant get a # |
| 05:12.18 | kd8ikt | my bastard love child |
| 05:12.33 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 05:12.41 | ieatlint | oh, i haven't touched it |
| 05:12.53 | linuxxr | maybe i got a traine |
| 05:12.55 | linuxxr | e |
| 05:12.58 | Chocky | So where can I confiugure the suspend timeout? |
| 05:13.10 | ieatlint | i've only been connecting to networks i know so far, and have configured in wpa_supplicant, so connecting to them is always just running the daemon |
| 05:13.15 | rivalarrival | Call them back. When they tell you they can't, they mean "I can't do it because I'm moron, but call back, and someone with a brain might answer next time" |
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| 05:13.55 | linuxxr | atontakk do u have a go phone or a monthly plan? |
| 05:14.13 | AntonTakk | monthly plan |
| 05:14.16 | linuxxr | ok |
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| 05:14.40 | Chocky | hm |
| 05:14.48 | kd8ikt | i need some more time to kink out the bugs but its gonna be a nifty lil prog |
| 05:15.22 | linuxxr | can u send me that wpa please? |
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| 05:17.16 | orzo | ogg123 doesnt work for me |
| 05:17.25 | orzo | the oss driver failes to load |
| 05:17.28 | Chocky | hm, neod does it |
| 05:17.30 | orzo | and alsa is apparently not available |
| 05:18.40 | AntonTakk | seems a dbus crash may be at the heart of my 2007.2 problems |
| 05:19.35 | Chocky | hm, neod calls apm -s. hack city. |
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| 05:19.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5d4953aa2906 10/packages/iotop/iotop_0.2.1.bb: [iotop] Actually remove the site.py and site.pyo from the package |
| 05:21.40 | Chocky | I see. 10 seconds hardwired. |
| 05:21.42 | Chocky | craptastic |
| 05:23.10 | Chocky | oh noes. |
| 05:23.32 | Chocky | buttonactions.c in panel-plugins is a modified version. |
| 05:25.28 | mwester | Chocky: how would you suggest that neod initiate a shutdown sequence? |
| 05:27.06 | kd8ikt | rivalarrival: |
| 05:29.31 | AntonTakk | hrm - nope, it's phone-kit not running |
| 05:30.07 | Yashy | tried another SIM card tonight, can not dial outbound from my neo :( Any other ideas before attempting to return it? |
| 05:30.56 | nullpuppy | hmm |
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| 05:33.49 | nullpuppy | mwester: do you know offhand how people have been able to get 20+hrs standby/suspend? |
| 05:34.18 | nullpuppy | has gotten 9-10 w/o any activity |
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| 05:35.03 | mwester | Using the 2007.2 image with the gtk modifications from http://moko.mwester.net/ |
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| 05:36.26 | nullpuppy | ok. awesome. so all I *should* need to do is grab the updates and install? |
| 05:36.56 | nullpuppy | and latest daily safe to use? |
| 05:37.43 | mwester | I haven't tried any of the really recent 2007.2 builds. There's little or no activity on them, so any of them should be fine. |
| 05:37.58 | nullpuppy | alright |
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| 05:39.39 | aggtrfrad | hola 2 all |
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| 05:40.17 | aggtrfrad | just ordered my sweet phone ^^ |
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| 05:43.09 | somnoliento | aggtrfrad: i just got mine today |
| 05:44.23 | aggtrfrad | when did u order? what kind of shipping? where do u live? (i just wanna get an idea how many days it takes) |
| 05:46.31 | somnoliento | aggtrfrad: I ordered a GSM 850 on july 4th. It arrived in Miami on the 18th. I use a re-mailer service to bring it to Bogota |
| 05:46.59 | somnoliento | I used standard shipping |
| 05:47.34 | aggtrfrad | well 2 weeks is good for europe to usa with standar shipping |
| 05:49.28 | aggtrfrad | anyway ill just have to relax until i get my tracking e-mail |
| 05:49.41 | aggtrfrad | then i will be refreshibg every 5 seconds :p |
| 05:49.54 | somnoliento | he he... we've been there |
| 05:51.59 | IguanaNed | curious who is using wtopia? or what is anyone else here using? |
| 05:52.11 | IguanaNed | grr i meant Qtopis |
| 05:52.14 | IguanaNed | doh |
| 05:52.25 | railer | lol |
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| 05:55.23 | rivalarrival | IguanaNed: I used it for a few days... It seemed more mature than the other images. |
| 05:55.37 | orzo | openmoko-mediaplayer doesnt work for me |
| 05:55.46 | orzo | it plays audio for a half second and stops |
| 05:56.13 | orzo | is there a program that exports a dbus interface for playing music? |
| 05:56.39 | orzo | does mediaplayer delegate the playback to another application? |
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| 05:59.52 | orzo | i'm piping oggdec into aplay |
| 05:59.52 | orzo | heh |
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| 06:07.22 | IguanaNed | rivalarrival.. what u using now? |
| 06:07.28 | somnoliento | mmm... bluetooth keeps turning on even if i turn it off |
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| 06:09.29 | ieatlint | just filled in another page with widgets (fake data hard-coded, not polled): http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/conn.png |
| 06:09.41 | ieatlint | as per usual, comments/suggestions are welcome |
| 06:10.55 | somnoliento | ieatlint: it's a bit noisy. I imagine most people would only care about the ssid |
| 06:11.00 | railer | ieatlint- looks good I dont know if the SS need to be so wide |
| 06:11.02 | orzo | hm |
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| 06:11.29 | ieatlint | yeah, i forgot to add in the config to shrink it before that screenshot, hehe |
| 06:11.51 | ieatlint | and the info is there because i use a lot of it, and i will assume most FR users are advanced and may prefer it |
| 06:11.55 | railer | i disagree with somno, leave the noise, I would use it |
| 06:12.18 | ieatlint | (for instance, the AP's mac is important to me since i connect to networks with multiple APs, and knowing which one is good) |
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| 06:12.41 | railer | and knowing type of router your hitting |
| 06:12.46 | ieatlint | status will show "Connecting..." and "Getting DHCP" and so forth |
| 06:12.48 | AntonTakk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:13.11 | somnoliento | oh, sure, i, i didn't mean remove it completely. I just meant that data is not as important. |
| 06:13.21 | ieatlint | oh, and the AP section will just read "Ad-Hoc" once ad-hoc support is implemented |
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| 06:17.19 | railer | ieatlint-left align not center? might be easier, but I'm not sure on that one |
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| 06:18.08 | ieatlint | yeah, there are a bunch of little things like that |
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| 06:18.35 | ieatlint | not my #1 priority right now... i want a set layout, then i want to connect everything that isn't connected to a backend |
| 06:18.47 | ieatlint | release, then do UI adjustments, re-release |
| 06:19.05 | railer | any logging history storage, or is that another project? |
| 06:19.24 | ieatlint | another project... |
| 06:19.41 | ieatlint | i just want a wifi connector and status indicator, too much bloat will make it too sluggish |
| 06:19.44 | railer | gps/wifi logging combo |
| 06:19.53 | railer | I agree |
| 06:20.08 | ieatlint | i might add gprs at some point |
| 06:20.36 | railer | list - connect - config - release |
| 06:20.37 | ieatlint | of course, this will be open, so others could do as they please |
| 06:20.44 | railer | I'm good with that |
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| 06:22.32 | orzo | is there a way to set the niceness for a process? |
| 06:22.40 | orzo | from teh shell |
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| 06:22.58 | ieatlint | you'd need to install nice |
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| 06:23.26 | orzo | i dont have a build environment |
| 06:23.31 | orzo | i just flashed a ready made image |
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| 06:23.43 | orzo | opkg list | grep nice shows no results |
| 06:23.50 | orzo | does opkg fetch packages from the internet? |
| 06:24.42 | orzo | is there a way to get a build environment without building all of openmoko? |
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| 06:25.29 | railer | ieatlint - let's see the other tabs |
| 06:25.44 | ieatlint | there are some old screenshots up there |
| 06:25.51 | ieatlint | i will add some new ones in a min or two |
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| 06:26.49 | railer | ok |
| 06:26.59 | railer | looks good to me |
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| 06:32.11 | orzo | opkg keeps saying fork failed and then segfaults |
| 06:32.51 | ieatlint | http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/ |
| 06:32.58 | ieatlint | 3 screenshots of the 3 filled in tabs |
| 06:33.28 | ieatlint | only the conn page is showing fake data, everything else is actually looked up |
| 06:34.04 | kd8ikt | yeah whens that gonna be in the repo's |
| 06:34.39 | ieatlint | when i have a version that actually does more than look up info (ie, it can actually connect to things) |
| 06:35.06 | kd8ikt | oh thats yours? |
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| 06:35.22 | ieatlint | the S column has work to be done still .. will indicated if it's connected to that AP, or if it knows the AP (eg, it has its key stored) |
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| 06:35.33 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 06:35.34 | kd8ikt | noice |
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| 06:37.02 | ieatlint | hmmm, i could throw the rx/tx byte info from ifconfig on there... worthwhile? |
| 06:37.20 | kd8ikt | sure whynot |
| 06:37.26 | kd8ikt | not like it has overhead |
| 06:37.53 | ieatlint | it has slight overhead actually, parsing some strings and extra widgets |
| 06:38.44 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r019e2a0119eb 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/ (gsm.py ophoned.py protocol.py): Added an 'Incoming' signal |
| 06:39.25 | kd8ikt | even jsut a button that updates it when you want? like "check blah blah?" and post it |
| 06:39.33 | ieatlint | oh, and "Auto Mode" means just turn wpa_supplicant on -- it'll connect to any available AP as per its config... |
| 06:39.34 | kd8ikt | so its not constantl;y running |
| 06:39.46 | ieatlint | none of thise will constantly be running... |
| 06:39.48 | ieatlint | this |
| 06:40.55 | kd8ikt | yeah but you need it in the config right? (wpa_supplicant |
| 06:41.04 | ieatlint | nope |
| 06:41.35 | ieatlint | a network statement without a ssid is "any" |
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| 06:41.51 | ieatlint | network={ |
| 06:41.51 | ieatlint | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.51 | ieatlint | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.51 | ieatlint | } |
| 06:42.16 | WMJ | I read on openmoko's wiki page that it supports AT&T 3G? |
| 06:42.25 | ieatlint | no |
| 06:42.36 | Stroller | It might support AT&T's 3G SIM cards |
| 06:42.37 | WMJ | Whats that all about, I though it was GPRS |
| 06:42.38 | ieatlint | you read about at&t 3g sim cards being supported, not 3g |
| 06:42.44 | WMJ | ahhh |
| 06:42.45 | WMJ | thanks |
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| 06:44.12 | WMJ | how slow is the internet web browsing? I know its network based but is it really just 35Kbps? |
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| 06:44.38 | ieatlint | that's a reasonable estimate |
| 06:45.01 | WMJ | ok thanks for the info guys |
| 06:45.04 | ieatlint | i pulled 42Kbps/21Kbps sustained in tests |
| 06:45.11 | BlackFog | 'lo |
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| 06:45.54 | WMJ | just to make sure we are on the same scale here that is slower then the upper end of a 56k modem, right? |
| 06:46.34 | ieatlint | well, theoretically a 56k modem is 53Kbps down and 33.6Kbps up with a latency of ~150ms |
| 06:46.59 | ieatlint | theoretically, the FR is 48Kbps down and 24Kbps up with a latency of ~700-1200ms |
| 06:47.03 | ieatlint | (latency in round trip) |
| 06:47.12 | WMJ | yeah I know latency is killer |
| 06:47.14 | ieatlint | so it's slower than 56k by a bit |
| 06:47.24 | WMJ | my current EVDO is very latent |
| 06:47.33 | railer | so no WoW then? |
| 06:47.51 | ieatlint | i got WoW working, actually |
| 06:47.57 | ieatlint | took a bit, but it works |
| 06:47.59 | WMJ | I am trying to get a reasonable understanding of the performance loss over my current EVDO |
| 06:48.26 | ieatlint | significant |
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| 06:48.31 | WMJ | lol |
| 06:48.37 | WMJ | thanks for being honest |
| 06:48.40 | kd8ikt | hm whatdya know lint your right |
| 06:48.51 | ieatlint | about what? |
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| 06:48.58 | kd8ikt | i coulda swore i tried that already with wpa supplicant and it didnt work |
| 06:49.06 | railer | you got WoW working on FR? that I want a screen shot of |
| 06:49.20 | kd8ikt | stabs railer |
| 06:49.44 | ieatlint | yeah, wpa_supplicant is a lot cooler than i previously thought |
| 06:50.00 | ieatlint | wpa_cli is decent... supports connecting to an essid for a one-time thing |
| 06:50.30 | ieatlint | is like "wpa_cli otp essid password" |
| 06:50.44 | ieatlint | and it'll connect to that essid with that password (wep or wpa-psk) |
| 06:53.13 | somnoliento | ieatlint: if all the APs I connect to are open, what is the easier way to do it? |
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| 06:54.03 | ieatlint | configure wpa_supplicant to connect to any open AP and just run it in the background... it'll continually try to connect to ones it can see |
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| 06:54.55 | somnoliento | and that would be like you described before, right? just omit the essid from the config |
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| 06:55.56 | ieatlint | yeah |
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| 06:56.47 | somnoliento | ok, thanks |
| 06:57.49 | railer | ieatlint - looks solid does it work and do you need a tester? |
| 06:58.27 | ieatlint | not yet (to both) |
| 06:58.53 | ieatlint | it can scan for aps and list them (as shown in the screenshot), and poll for all the info on the "status" page |
| 06:58.56 | railer | just tired of CLI for wifi :P |
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| 06:59.18 | ieatlint | everything on the conn page is dummy, and only the scan and exit buttons work on the ap list page |
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| 06:59.37 | ieatlint | shouldn't be too long, i only started writing this yesterday |
| 06:59.41 | ieatlint | worked on it for about 6 hours |
| 06:59.54 | ieatlint | (not bad considering it's my first python program, eh? hehe) |
| 06:59.58 | railer | good job, python? |
| 07:00.24 | ieatlint | afraid so, pygtk |
| 07:00.37 | ieatlint | if the application becomes a staple, i'll port it to C |
| 07:01.27 | kd8ikt | beats my huge embarrasing failure |
| 07:01.53 | ieatlint | ironically i couldn't write what you did |
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| 07:02.07 | railer | I got to finish instructing then concentrate on learning python, it week I did java shopping cart, java CRUD w hibernate, subnet mask calculations, XHTML and connecting to paypal via asp.net, it's amazing I can keep anything straight |
| 07:02.10 | ieatlint | bash programming just frustrates me |
| 07:02.57 | ieatlint | i'm a c/c++ guy... know php, and i'm inferring python as i go while constantly looking at python and pygtk reference manuals |
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| 07:05.40 | kd8ikt | heh wow that led.py is cool |
| 07:06.11 | railer | whats it do? |
| 07:06.15 | Fossi | well, soem projects really fuck up your mind. i recently had the pleasure of doing php, javascript and erlang in one |
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| 07:10.30 | ieatlint | oh nice, wpa_supplicant has a control api in C |
| 07:10.53 | ieatlint | i'll just use wpa_cli now, but if i do port it to C, it'd be a bit of an improvement |
| 07:11.17 | kd8ikt | yay |
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| 07:12.56 | somnoliento | any way to check battery status from the command line? can't find anything under /proc |
| 07:13.16 | ieatlint | "apm" |
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| 07:13.40 | ieatlint | if discharging, the time is a vague estimate until the battery dies... if charging, it's an estimate until fully charged |
| 07:14.11 | somnoliento | in minutes? |
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| 07:15.06 | ieatlint | hours:min:seconds (seconds is always 0 methinks) |
| 07:15.25 | ieatlint | it can also show days ... eg, mine says "Off-line, battery status high: 98% (21d+11:09:00)" |
| 07:15.43 | railer | anyone else have a seemingly random battery indicator, mine just go from 75% to 10% all the time |
| 07:15.49 | ieatlint | which basically means apm sucks ass because it's plugged in |
| 07:17.50 | somnoliento | I'd better go recharge it. Thanks for all the help. |
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| 07:18.49 | ieatlint | apm is deprecated... you're supposed to use acpi, i don't know why they use apm on the moko |
| 07:19.02 | ieatlint | i imagine there's an explanation though |
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| 07:21.30 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:22.11 | railer | it's 1:30 AM where are you? |
| 07:22.12 | Tm_T | hi kids |
| 07:23.31 | Tm_T | railer: behind the snowy mountains |
| 07:24.32 | railer | bc/cali? |
| 07:25.27 | Tm_T | railer: no, I don't think we are even near from america |
| 07:26.10 | lpotter | apm is used on embedded devices because acpi support sucks in linux, an dapm is simplier |
| 07:26.33 | railer | behind the snowy mountains is more a riddle when guessing a location |
| 07:26.44 | Tm_T | railer: ;) |
| 07:26.52 | ieatlint | was a good guess railer :P |
| 07:27.11 | railer | The Dwarivish cave of Middle Earth? |
| 07:27.30 | Tm_T | railer: no, not that, that's in west, I'm more east |
| 07:27.40 | Tm_T | railer: that said, I'm from Finland |
| 07:28.16 | railer | FInland? What's a good clue for Finland? |
| 07:29.26 | railer | finland |
| 07:30.55 | railer | One of those three skinny long countries above europe, and we're not Sweden or norway |
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| 07:35.42 | kd8ikt | hey how do you spell possessed like devil / evil spirits |
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| 07:36.58 | railer | possessed |
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| 07:39.26 | ieatlint | ok, someone help me figure something out |
| 07:40.04 | railer | shoot |
| 07:40.21 | ieatlint | bssid / frequency / signal level / flags / ssid |
| 07:40.26 | ieatlint | 00:15:e9:69:32:b32422190[WPA-PSK-TKIP]mwkathi |
| 07:40.38 | ieatlint | where does the signal level 190 come from? |
| 07:40.48 | ieatlint | Link Quality=34/70 Signal level=-61 dBm Noise level=-95 dBm |
| 07:42.00 | ieatlint | that's from "wpa_cli scan_results" btw (the last line is from iwconfig) |
| 07:43.57 | kd8ikt | 34/70 ? |
| 07:44.19 | railer | not sure |
| 07:44.53 | kd8ikt | what gave you that sig quality? |
| 07:45.06 | kd8ikt | oh wpa |
| 07:45.09 | ieatlint | iwconfig gives the 34/70 (this is from the driver) |
| 07:45.17 | ieatlint | the other is from wpa_supplicant |
| 07:45.28 | ieatlint | looks like i need to go into the wpa_supplicant source |
| 07:45.45 | railer | is there I CLI command to see them? |
| 07:46.14 | kd8ikt | trying to find the high/low end so you can draw graphs? |
| 07:46.24 | ieatlint | no |
| 07:46.33 | kd8ikt | well a meter of somekind |
| 07:46.51 | ieatlint | if i can map the signal level wpa_supplicant reports, i can drop iwlist |
| 07:47.03 | ieatlint | (the wpa_supplicant output is very very easy to parse, and faster) |
| 07:47.15 | kd8ikt | oh then run with it |
| 07:48.16 | kd8ikt | http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2006-August/014095.html |
| 07:48.21 | methril | morning |
| 07:50.00 | ieatlint | thanks... hmmm |
| 07:50.14 | ieatlint | so that basically means wpa_supplicant doesn't know, hah |
| 07:50.30 | ieatlint | it gets that number, and uses it relatively ... :P |
| 07:50.43 | ieatlint | so will i! |
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| 07:52.55 | railer | I have no idea other than signal level I think is a DBm strength vs a nominal antenna |
| 07:55.05 | SpeedEvil | It's almost certainly not actually calibrated |
| 07:55.26 | SpeedEvil | It'll be a completely arbitrary unit. |
| 07:55.41 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 07:56.29 | ieatlint | but if i say 150 is around 0% and 250 is around 100%, i think it'll be a decent guess... can change those values later if needed |
| 07:56.48 | ieatlint | the range probably is on a per-driver/chip basis, but since we all use the same driver/chip.. |
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| 08:00.10 | SpeedEvil | 255 might be a reaosnable fiess if it's an 8 bit field. |
| 08:00.40 | SpeedEvil | guess |
| 08:01.08 | ieatlint | point taken... but 0 is definitely not 0%, since the ones it reports at about 160 i can just barely see |
| 08:01.21 | kd8ikt | ugh ash doesnt have $RANDOM :P |
| 08:01.40 | SpeedEvil | export RANDOM=4 |
| 08:01.48 | ieatlint | lol |
| 08:01.56 | Fossi | wasn't it 6? |
| 08:01.57 | ieatlint | get a bigger die |
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| 08:02.02 | kd8ikt | i dont think that will be random |
| 08:02.04 | ieatlint | no, 4 |
| 08:02.28 | ieatlint | kd8ikt, that depends, are you running debian or a debian derivative? |
| 08:02.32 | Fossi | well, if he rolled a dice, it is guaranteed to be random ;) |
| 08:02.37 | SpeedEvil | awk 'END{print int(rand()*1000)}' |
| 08:03.24 | SpeedEvil | srand(systime() first even |
| 08:03.39 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 08:04.09 | HauDyrArb | read from an ADC |
| 08:04.21 | HauDyrArb | to seed |
| 08:04.28 | HauDyrArb | or the GPS |
| 08:05.05 | kd8ikt | thats a good idea actually |
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| 08:06.42 | HauDyrArb | with all the devices we have connected we could create a "true" random generator if we need one |
| 08:07.15 | kd8ikt | i bet python has random |
| 08:07.26 | Rakshasa | "Initialize random number generator by shaking the phone for 5 esconds." |
| 08:07.36 | HauDyrArb | lol |
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| 08:08.21 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r224e599fe290 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/ (gsm.py protocol.py): Added Activate method to Phone.Call |
| 08:08.27 | Rakshasa | Was it some old suse or something where one had to initialize ssh key generation by shaking the mouse... Can't remember anymore. |
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| 08:09.17 | Tm_T | Rakshasa: it's in many systems |
| 08:09.26 | phrozen77 | Rakshasa, thats a method to generate entropy, not only on suse |
| 08:09.50 | Rakshasa | Okay, I just haven |
| 08:09.52 | Tm_T | Rakshasa: actually shaking phone to get random seed is good idea :)) |
| 08:09.56 | Rakshasa | t seen it since -99 |
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| 08:10.49 | Rakshasa | Are the accelerometers interfaceable already? |
| 08:11.03 | Tm_T | should be |
| 08:12.50 | ikjh | Rakshasa: Yes, I have used them without problem. |
| 08:13.28 | Tm_T | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval |
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| 08:16.45 | Rakshasa | Hmm. That last link on that page has some quite interesting ideas. |
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| 08:22.16 | jakobsg | Hi if I want install qtopia (ie. following http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner) what are the dangers? Is it only the MicroSD card being touched, or am I changing the BIOS too thus riscing to brick my neo |
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| 08:23.51 | tc | jakobsg: It just changes the root filesystem, it won't brick it |
| 08:24.09 | jakobsg | nice :-) |
| 08:25.14 | jakobsg | So I could in pratice take my MicroSD card, put in the adaptor and do the whole Qtopia configuration on my Desktop PC , right |
| 08:25.21 | kd8ikt | ieatlint: |
| 08:25.54 | ieatlint | ok, i just took a 153 line parsing module and turned it into about 7 lines while increasing functionality |
| 08:26.04 | phrozen77 | lol |
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| 08:26.24 | ieatlint | iwlist vs wpa_supplicant's scan, hehe |
| 08:26.45 | kd8ikt | nice |
| 08:26.57 | kd8ikt | i'm modifying your led.py |
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| 08:27.21 | kd8ikt | only i just though of somethin |
| 08:27.33 | kd8ikt | I CANT MESS WITH PYTHON WORTH A DANG |
| 08:27.45 | ieatlint | that it's a copyrighted work and i didn't release the source code for modification? |
| 08:27.56 | ieatlint | hehe, just kidding, i don't care |
| 08:28.05 | jakobsg | I'm a python expert - need help ? :-) |
| 08:28.10 | kd8ikt | i'm trying to add another button labeled "redbutton" |
| 08:28.19 | kd8ikt | that makes everything go random |
| 08:28.30 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 08:28.36 | ieatlint | you probably need to fix the gtk.Table call |
| 08:28.55 | ieatlint | and ensure you give the attach to the table valid coords |
| 08:29.01 | jakobsg | ah python-gtk bindings |
| 08:29.12 | ieatlint | yeah, quick and dirty |
| 08:29.14 | chillywilly | you should add an "easy" button |
| 08:29.15 | kd8ikt | http://pastebin.com/d2530d72e |
| 08:29.37 | ieatlint | ok, i got to go buy some beer before 2am |
| 08:29.40 | ieatlint | and get some food |
| 08:29.46 | ieatlint | so i'll be back to do a bit more work |
| 08:29.51 | kd8ikt | i highlighted the mod points ---> |
| 08:30.07 | ieatlint | (oh, and subtracting 150 from the signal level thing gives a dead on match to what iwconfig reports) |
| 08:30.24 | kd8ikt | interesting |
| 08:30.54 | kd8ikt | cant you just use the quality fraction to draw up a simple meter |
| 08:31.17 | ieatlint | that's what i was doing before |
| 08:31.18 | kd8ikt | and maybe show dbm next to it |
| 08:31.30 | kd8ikt | oh wpa doesnt list like that duh |
| 08:31.33 | ieatlint | anyway, bbl |
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| 08:36.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r4552 10/developers/zecke/app_restarter/app_restarter.c: |
| 08:36.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: app_restarter: Make sure that argv[0] is the app we want to execute... |
| 08:36.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Stupid oversight. argv[0] is supposed to the command name of the |
| 08:36.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: application. |
| 08:39.11 | kd8ikt | why isnt there a jffs in the latest 7-23 build? still building or somethin |
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| 08:46.00 | jakobsg | Is there a maximum for MicroSD size in the Neo or can it take a 8Gb MicroSD Card |
| 08:46.03 | jakobsg | ? |
| 08:46.30 | mjr | that's an inclusive or question then |
| 08:46.35 | mjr | "yes" and "yes" |
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| 08:47.24 | jakobsg | thx |
| 08:49.13 | Ainulindale | MarcOChapeau ? |
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| 08:54.56 | wibbit | jakobsg: my understanding is that it supports SDHC, so any thing that conforms to that format should be readable |
| 08:55.21 | Zorkman | hi, i get mkfs.vfat: not found when trying http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
| 08:55.56 | kd8ikt | install it then |
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| 08:58.11 | mjr | Yep, and sdhc goes up to 32 gigs, so there is a limit. However, logically, SDHC goes up to a couple of terabytes I think, if you remove the _arbitrary cap_ that they decided, in their great wisdom, to include in the spec. Would require checking with the SD driver people, but it's not unlikely the controller would be able to read a _possible_ future generation of SDs where the cap has been removed as well. |
| 08:58.13 | ieatlint | wow, i missed a lot |
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| 09:00.21 | mjr | (anyway, I think 32 gigs is likely to be quite nice for the foreseeable use life of a freerunner, though...) |
| 09:01.06 | mjr | unless, of course, you want to enter the Falkvinge vision of having all the music in the world on your cell ;) |
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| 09:03.48 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: how do i install it? copy it to the /bin/ folder on the neo? |
| 09:06.54 | jakobsg | Just about to buy a larger MicroSD card, any hints I should know of ? |
| 09:07.21 | mjr | don't buy a micro memory stick like someone here did before ;) |
| 09:07.27 | Zorkman | jakobsg: there is a wiki page with some info about tested sd cards |
| 09:07.35 | XorA | buy a good brand not on ebay :-D |
| 09:07.56 | jakobsg | ok, I didn't see that - thanks |
| 09:08.01 | kd8ikt | heh mjr |
| 09:08.26 | jakobsg | Don't worry, they are so cheap, I wouldn't dream about using ebay |
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| 09:08.55 | ieatlint | that's good, because that would be a poor fantasy life |
| 09:09.05 | jakobsg | whats the difference between "Micro SD" and "Micro SD HC" |
| 09:09.23 | Zorkman | jakobsg: HC=high capacity i think |
| 09:09.47 | Zorkman | jakobsg: i'm also not sure if freerunner can currently boot from sdhc, you should check that |
| 09:10.21 | jakobsg | OK - I'm reading the wiki page right now |
| 09:10.31 | Zorkman | anyone know how to insatall mkfs.vfat? |
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| 09:11.11 | mjr | yeah hc is the one that goes up to 32 gigs, regular sd up to 2 |
| 09:11.19 | kd8ikt | those instruction are probably for a host not the actuall moko |
| 09:11.20 | mjr | both will work |
| 09:11.46 | jakobsg | mjr: Are you sure? |
| 09:11.59 | jakobsg | I sure would like more than 2 gigs |
| 09:12.03 | ieatlint | they in theory go up to 32, only 8 are available |
| 09:12.10 | mjr | well I have an 8-gigger in my neo... |
| 09:12.25 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 09:12.27 | kd8ikt | gigger |
| 09:12.31 | jakobsg | ok, thats good enough proof for me :-) |
| 09:12.45 | kd8ikt | i need to get one soon |
| 09:12.46 | mjr | and yeah that's the biggest on the market currently afaik |
| 09:12.50 | jakobsg | Can you remember which vendor |
| 09:12.54 | mjr | sandisk |
| 09:12.55 | kd8ikt | they are pretty darn cheap |
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| 09:13.09 | jakobsg | OK, I'll stick with that, thx |
| 09:13.17 | jakobsg | How about speed? |
| 09:13.19 | mjr | sandisk also had a pretty cute microsd reader in the package |
| 09:13.23 | kd8ikt | 20-40$ |
| 09:13.32 | mjr | class 4, but neo's sd interface isn't that hot either |
| 09:14.04 | mjr | haven't seen class 6 8-giggers, but I wouldn't expect it to make much difference on the freerunner |
| 09:14.24 | jakobsg | OK, so I can't boost performance with class 6 |
| 09:14.25 | Zorkman | LOL ftp://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/Linux/LOCAL/dosfstools/ is co-written by werner |
| 09:15.16 | mjr | didn't say you can't, just I don't expect it ;) FR has that 7MB/s bus to both gpu and the microsd, and that's with full cpu utilization. |
| 09:15.51 | Zorkman | too bad he didn't include how to install them :( |
| 09:18.13 | ieatlint | i think it's pretty well expected to format the thing on a computer |
| 09:18.37 | Zorkman | i don't hava a cardreader |
| 09:18.47 | Zorkman | i can format it to ext2 or ext3 on the freerunner |
| 09:18.53 | ieatlint | the neo does come with one |
| 09:18.54 | Zorkman | but FAT doesn't work... |
| 09:19.18 | Zorkman | it comes with an adapter for microSD to SD |
| 09:19.32 | ieatlint | oh, you mean you can't read sd, hah |
| 09:19.33 | kd8ikt | yeah find a friend with a cardreader |
| 09:19.34 | ieatlint | sorry |
| 09:19.51 | ieatlint | or create a toolchain and cross-compile mkfs.vfat |
| 09:19.59 | kd8ikt | heh on the neo? |
| 09:20.04 | Zorkman | ieatlint: that's a bit too complicated for me :) |
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| 09:20.23 | kd8ikt | oh i the cross toolchain |
| 09:20.28 | Zorkman | but i thought the neo could boot without fat since one of the latet uboot images |
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| 09:22.39 | ieatlint | Zorkman, http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/mkfs.vfat |
| 09:23.00 | ieatlint | that is either what you think it is, or some sort of malware |
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| 09:24.14 | Zorkman | thanks! how did you find that? maybe google doesn't like me today... |
| 09:24.27 | ieatlint | i compiled it |
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| 09:24.49 | kd8ikt | yay |
| 09:25.24 | mjr | heh |
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| 09:28.30 | beni_ | ieatlint: maybe you want to document that in the wiki. |
| 09:28.43 | beni_ | that would be nice since vfat on the neo seems a common requested feature |
| 09:29.16 | ieatlint | i dunno, i'm pretty lazy... i can leave it up on that server so you can link the wiki to it |
| 09:30.13 | Zorkman | i will add it to the wiki then |
| 09:31.52 | marcinsoo | may i use fat32 on my micro SD card ???? it could be usufull when sd on my camera is full... |
| 09:32.23 | Zorkman | marcinsoo: as far as i know there is no problem with using fat 32 |
| 09:33.12 | ieatlint | yeah, you can... but if it matters, you will not be able to use any permissions or create any sort of symbolic links on the card (if you don't know what that means, it won't matter to you) |
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| 09:35.03 | ieatlint | oh, Zorkman, let me upload dosfsck too ... good to have |
| 09:35.17 | prjktdtnt | I've been thinking about saving up the $400 to purchase the openmoko. Would anyone here say they use the phone as a phone (voice and text messaging) and how well has it been working for just those two items? |
| 09:35.32 | marcinsoo | thx, i know what that means :) |
| 09:36.21 | ieatlint | http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/fsck.msdos ... go ahead and link that to the wiki too |
| 09:36.24 | Zorkman | prjktdtnt: qtopia seems to werk perfectly well for those two items, i just havent tested the sound during a call withg gtopia |
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| 09:37.07 | prjktdtnt | zorkman: thank you, what about when using the OM shipped image? |
| 09:38.59 | Zorkman | prjktdtnt: after a suspend it isn't that relable anymore, and you need to tweak the alsamixer to get a reasonable sound (doesn't work too well here, but i'm a noob) |
| 09:39.06 | Zorkman | ieatlint: done |
| 09:39.11 | Zorkman | thanks again |
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| 09:39.25 | ieatlint | np |
| 09:39.54 | kd8ikt | suspend doesnt work for me |
| 09:40.08 | prjktdtnt | zorkman: thanks, sounds like if I do purchase I will have to run qtopia at first until the OM images are more stabilized. Would be nice if GPRS worked from the UI also but that isn't important. So long as I can text message my friends and make phone calls the rest is only icing |
| 09:40.14 | ieatlint | finished eating and returns to coding |
| 09:40.15 | kd8ikt | well maybe for like 2 min but after that it goes into a coma |
| 09:40.48 | Zorkman | prjktdtnt: i don't use gprs, but have seen many reports of people who got it to work |
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| 09:41.52 | prjktdtnt | zorkman: i've seen that in the community lists also. I don't use the data plan but I would like to get it and use the FR to teather to my linux laptop so I can connect to the net on the road (i do a lot of remote administration and finding a hotspot can be a pain sometimes) |
| 09:41.57 | trix | openmoko needs more cowbell |
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| 09:43.39 | Zorkman | :) |
| 09:48.20 | prjktdtnt | anyone found a good set of instructions to get qtopia working under qemu so I can pick that one apart a little? |
| 09:48.35 | Zorkman | ieatlint: i get with both files an error: |
| 09:48.44 | Zorkman | mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 09:48.44 | Zorkman | mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) |
| 09:48.44 | Zorkman | Illegal instruction |
| 09:48.46 | Zorkman | and |
| 09:48.54 | Zorkman | fsck.msdos /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 09:48.54 | Zorkman | dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN |
| 09:48.54 | Zorkman | Logical sector size is zero. |
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| 09:49.16 | ieatlint | that's interesting |
| 09:49.17 | Drakou | hi |
| 09:49.46 | Drakou | Is there anybody who knows well the Wifi part of openmoko ? ( Ar6k driver and SDK in particular ) |
| 09:49.49 | Zorkman | hi Drakou |
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| 09:50.59 | Zorkman | sorry Drakou, i'm no expert |
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| 09:57.18 | Drakou | I've just sent an email on the openmoko kernel mailing list |
| 09:57.39 | Drakou | I think somebody should answer |
| 09:58.16 | Tm_T | Drakou: just basic hint for getting help, don't ask to ask, just ask ;) |
| 09:58.36 | Tm_T | Drakou: as in, noone knows if they know enough to help you until you tell your problem |
| 09:58.44 | Drakou | ok :p |
| 09:59.13 | Drakou | I would like to know the WM3236AQ Firwmare revision used in the GTA02 board |
| 09:59.32 | Drakou | in theory the version is given at kernel start |
| 09:59.37 | Drakou | it should looks like that : |
| 09:59.56 | Drakou | BMI Get Target Info: Exit (ver: 0x20000059 type: 0x1) |
| 10:00.08 | Drakou | just after the ar6000_available line |
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| 10:06.12 | balrog-kun | Drakou: i believe it's the same on gta02a5 |
| 10:07.27 | balrog-kun | i don't have an A5 to check, but it should be ver: 0x20000059 type: 0x1 too |
| 10:08.15 | Zorkman | ieatlint: it is caused by an error in dosfsck for which there is a patch (http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=7708) in case it would interest you |
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| 10:10.25 | ieatlint | is that a request for me to patch it an recompile? |
| 10:11.06 | Drakou | thank you balrog-kun |
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| 10:12.07 | balrog-kun | Drakou: somebody's example dmesg is at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-January/000597.html but it's from before mass production |
| 10:15.45 | Zorkman | ieatlint: no, that is up to you to decide if it is nescesarry and worth your time, i have reverted to an older uImage and will see if it works with the older image |
| 10:17.44 | Drakou | ok , it's the same version I have ... |
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| 10:24.44 | balrog-kun | Drakou: might want to ask someone of the mass production unit owners here later |
| 10:25.26 | Drakou | I also sent a mail on the openmoko kernel mailing list 10 minutes ago |
| 10:27.57 | Zorkman | Drakou i hava amass production unit |
| 10:28.11 | kd8ikt | http://pastebin.com/m566cb188 <-- my dmesg |
| 10:28.20 | Zorkman | can I help you with something? (if you tell me exactly what to do i can manage it ;)) |
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| 10:29.13 | kd8ikt | think that was 18-or 19th's (few days ago) latest build |
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| 10:29.28 | kd8ikt | getting ready to reflash soon |
| 10:30.19 | ieatlint | hmmm |
| 10:30.42 | ieatlint | my FR reports "Link Quality:171/94 Signal level:-180 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm" with iwconfig |
| 10:30.55 | kd8ikt | wow |
| 10:30.56 | kd8ikt | cool |
| 10:30.56 | ieatlint | i really don't think the link quality should be more than 1 |
| 10:30.59 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 10:31.10 | Zorkman | ieatlint: i have also seen this |
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| 10:31.24 | ieatlint | it displeases me |
| 10:31.41 | balrog-kun | kd8ikt: nice - we don't all have the same MAC :) |
| 10:32.38 | kd8ikt | its trivial to change |
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| 10:34.06 | kd8ikt | ifconfig eth0 hw something something |
| 10:34.13 | kd8ikt | er usb0 |
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| 10:36.11 | evocallaghan1 | Hey, long time |
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| 10:36.46 | evocallaghan1 | Any reason why there is no GSM1800 version to buy ? |
| 10:37.06 | swc|666 | gotta love seattle - random drunk person outside cutting people's grass randomly at 330am |
| 10:37.31 | mjr | evocallaghan1, because both do 1800 and 1900 |
| 10:38.09 | kd8ikt | hence triband gsm |
| 10:38.37 | CVirus | What graphic chipset will the GTA03 include ? |
| 10:38.49 | kd8ikt | ati |
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| 10:39.06 | kuzgun | hi |
| 10:39.09 | kd8ikt | and a 64bit proccessor and run windows mobile 8 |
| 10:39.23 | kuzgun | root@om-gta02:/usr/lib/telepathy# ./mission-control |
| 10:39.23 | kuzgun | Failed to open connection to bus: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch requested, but X11 support not compiled in. |
| 10:39.23 | kuzgun | Cannot continue. |
| 10:39.23 | kuzgun | Segmentation fault |
| 10:39.30 | kuzgun | any idea about this error? |
| 10:40.02 | kd8ikt | dbus-launch ./miss |
| 10:40.30 | edistar | Zorkman: did everything work finally? |
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| 10:44.10 | evocallaghan1 | Hmm, so the 900 one is the go ? |
| 10:44.24 | evocallaghan1 | Wonder when the 3G version is comming ? |
| 10:44.46 | evocallaghan1 | Also, Will OpenMoko make it into some high street shops ? |
| 10:45.41 | mjr | CVirus, dumb framebuffer |
| 10:46.18 | mjr | evocallaghan1, if you're not in NA or parts of SA, 900 one is better for you, yes. Also, maybe, eventually, but not soon. |
| 10:46.30 | Zorkman | edistar: no |
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| 10:46.44 | Zorkman | edistar: i just cvant firmat it to fat |
| 10:46.50 | Zorkman | *format |
| 10:47.22 | CVirus | mjr: what is that ? |
| 10:47.27 | Zorkman | i tried two tools compiled by ieatlint (mkfs.vfat and fsck.msdos |
| 10:47.35 | mjr | CVirus, same as gta01 |
| 10:47.40 | edistar | Zorkman: you can also use an ext2 partition for the kernel |
| 10:47.43 | CVirus | mjr: why ? |
| 10:47.57 | edistar | Zorkman: try that, and keep to the instructions otherwise |
| 10:48.08 | Zorkman | ok, so ext2 for kernel and ext3 for other partition |
| 10:48.19 | mjr | CVirus, because the glamo wasn't as hot as it sounded |
| 10:48.40 | CVirus | mjr: so we're getting nothing but framebuffer on the GTA03 ? |
| 10:48.50 | CVirus | no Xorg ? |
| 10:49.12 | kd8ikt | ugh |
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| 10:50.04 | edistar | Zorkman: or both ext2, doesn't really matter |
| 10:50.16 | Zorkman | ok, i'm untarring |
| 10:50.24 | Zorkman | (if that is a word..) |
| 10:50.28 | mjr | CVirus, what're you on? |
| 10:50.44 | CVirus | what do you mean ? |
| 10:50.54 | mjr | it'll run X (kdrive presumably, not the X.org main server) just like up to now of course |
| 10:50.56 | kd8ikt | crack kills |
| 10:51.37 | CVirus | mjr: oh .. I get it .... I just want to understand what does "dumb framebuffer" mean ? |
| 10:51.41 | kd8ikt | wonder how well doom or quake will run |
| 10:51.48 | CVirus | heeh |
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| 10:52.16 | kd8ikt | remembers playing on my 2g ipod |
| 10:52.51 | mjr | CVirus, it's an answer to your question on what graphics chipset it'll have. Well, a partial answer anyway. No separate chipset, just the non-accelerated framebuffer provided by the SoC |
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| 10:53.19 | CVirus | non-accelerated == no video ? |
| 10:53.32 | mjr | here you go with conclusions again |
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| 10:54.16 | kd8ikt | neo used framebuffer |
| 10:54.16 | CVirus | hehe |
| 10:54.49 | mjr | gta01 could (barely) manage prerotated video in qvga mode, gta03 should manage at least the same. Probably should expect to need to re-encode for playback on it though, not to get disappointed |
| 10:55.22 | folken | stupid question: how do i enter the pin, without the keyboard on the current daily builds? |
| 10:55.47 | Zorkman | folken you are using the ASU i presume? |
| 10:55.51 | CVirus | mjr: thanks for the info |
| 10:56.14 | Zorkman | it seems it is broken, and the developpers don't want you to hava a button to let the keyboard pop-up |
| 10:56.44 | BBishop | folken, you could try talking nice to it :D |
| 10:56.50 | folken | Zorkman: buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080721/ |
| 10:56.50 | edistar | Zorkman: the devs do, but the designers don't |
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| 10:57.24 | folken | BBishop: _that_ must be the reason. at the moment i am more swearing at it. :) |
| 10:57.33 | Zorkman | edistar: yes, sorry, I know raster does want it and has protested against it |
| 10:57.39 | BBishop | :)) |
| 10:57.42 | BBishop | told ya' ! |
| 10:57.47 | BBishop | violence isn't the answer |
| 10:58.26 | folken | well i do see the reason for not having a button to call up the keyboard. The keyboard should pop up as soon as there is something to enter. |
| 10:58.28 | kd8ikt | can u ssh in and exec the kleyboard app manually? |
| 10:58.43 | kd8ikt | or dont use a sim pin |
| 10:58.51 | folken | kd8ikt: do you know what binary the keyboard is? |
| 10:58.55 | folken | kd8ikt: i can ssh into it. |
| 10:58.57 | kd8ikt | nope |
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| 10:59.09 | kd8ikt | find / |grep keyboard heh |
| 10:59.34 | BBishop | or use find's own grep : find / -iname *keyboard* or something like this |
| 11:00.01 | folken | /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/PredictiveKeyboard.conf *irony* :) |
| 11:00.25 | kd8ikt | oh your using qtopia |
| 11:00.29 | BBishop | will OM be stable any time soon for the regular user ? |
| 11:00.34 | kd8ikt | i've never touched it |
| 11:00.48 | folken | i'm using whatever the daily build throw at me. |
| 11:01.01 | edistar | BBishop: in half a year maybe |
| 11:01.07 | ecraven | is the gps/sd software fix in the current kernel for 2007.2? |
| 11:01.09 | Zorkman | edistar: ok, i'm ready to boot in NAND now, cross my fingers :) |
| 11:01.17 | Zorkman | ecraven: yes |
| 11:01.22 | BBishop | then I'll wait .. |
| 11:01.33 | Zorkman | only the HW fix doesn't happen when you flash :p |
| 11:02.31 | ecraven | Zorkman: hehe, unfortunate ;( i'll find some smd-soldering-savvy people at my uni, i hope |
| 11:02.38 | ecraven | is it "just" one capacitator? |
| 11:02.46 | Zorkman | ecraven: yes |
| 11:03.08 | kd8ikt | mine works fine as is |
| 11:03.08 | mjr | hmm, nice to hear that alsa dmix works nicely for them in fso |
| 11:03.10 | Zorkman | ecraven: but i am waiting to see some tests if SW fix isn't as good as SW + HW fix |
| 11:03.55 | folken | mjr: yes it works in fso. Fso in gereral does work. |
| 11:03.56 | Zorkman | is there anyone here who can make calls with good audio quality? i either almost mute myself or create an echo on the other side :) |
| 11:04.04 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03wendy_hung * rbceef45b0d01 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/qwsinputmethod_x11.cpp: [predictivekeyboard] find maps for symbols |
| 11:04.11 | folken | Zorkman: no issues there with fso. |
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| 11:04.29 | ecraven | Zorkman: i've noticed the same |
| 11:04.37 | ecraven | folken: current fso, or milestone 1? |
| 11:04.43 | Zorkman | folken: but FSO seems to kep getting delayed... |
| 11:04.54 | folken | ecraven: gta01bv4 with milestone 1 |
| 11:05.13 | ecraven | folken: i tried the FR with milestone 1, very bad audio quality, and echoes |
| 11:05.23 | folken | ecraven: sorry to hear.. |
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| 11:05.40 | ecraven | why are the microphones on the *sides* on the FR? |
| 11:05.41 | folken | ecraven: although i had no real audio issues at all, except audio routing issues. |
| 11:05.50 | folken | ecraven: in the entire development phase. |
| 11:06.20 | Zorkman | edistar: i'm in uboot NAND and i try setenv boot_menu_timeout 99999 but i get "-bash: setenv: command not found" |
| 11:06.41 | ecraven | you need to connect to the neo |
| 11:06.54 | Zorkman | it is connected... |
| 11:06.57 | folken | Zorkman: cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 11:06.58 | Zorkman | i'll try and reconnect it |
| 11:07.10 | ecraven | no, not the cable, using cu or neocon or minicom ... |
| 11:07.32 | Zorkman | i don't have cu, should i use "screen" instead? |
| 11:07.40 | ecraven | no, screen is a very different program |
| 11:07.48 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 11:07.49 | Zorkman | ok, i'll try to yum install |
| 11:07.49 | ecraven | cu never worked for me, i'm using neocon. found it somewhere on the wiki |
| 11:07.52 | edistar | ecraven: screen works too, its an emulator too |
| 11:08.13 | ecraven | ah, screen is everything it seems ;) |
| 11:08.20 | Zorkman | ok, i'll screen then :) |
| 11:08.36 | Zorkman | i'm "in" |
| 11:08.44 | folken | "screen, the most underhyped tool on *nix" |
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| 11:08.53 | Zorkman | do i just copy and paste "setenv boot_menu_timeout 99999" ? |
| 11:08.59 | ecraven | yes |
| 11:09.13 | ieatlint | carrar, you still here? |
| 11:09.24 | Zorkman | paste doesn't seem to work.. |
| 11:09.27 | edistar | maybe pasting doesn't work.. I heard that some had problems with that |
| 11:09.30 | Zorkman | i'll enter it manually |
| 11:09.47 | Zorkman | typing also doesn'"t work... |
| 11:09.58 | Zorkman | or is it normal that i can't see what i am typing (telnet like..) |
| 11:10.10 | edistar | no |
| 11:10.11 | ecraven | it should say "Ok connection established" (or something like that) |
| 11:10.21 | Zorkman | ut: usbtty |
| 11:10.25 | Zorkman | Err: usbtty |
| 11:10.25 | ecraven | how did you start screen? |
| 11:10.29 | Zorkman | PCB rev: 0x000 |
| 11:10.29 | Zorkman | Power: switching led 2 0 |
| 11:10.29 | Zorkman | switching led 2 1 |
| 11:10.29 | Zorkman | switching led 2 0 |
| 11:10.29 | Zorkman | GTA02v5 # DEVICE_CONFIGURED: 1 |
| 11:10.29 | Zorkman | is what it says |
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| 11:10.41 | ecraven | looks good ;) |
| 11:10.43 | Zorkman | screen -l /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 11:11.03 | ecraven | you don't want or need -l |
| 11:11.08 | Zorkman | ok, i'll reconnect |
| 11:11.46 | Zorkman | ok once again : |
| 11:11.49 | Zorkman | *:) |
| 11:12.01 | ieatlint | kd8ikt, you about? |
| 11:12.06 | kd8ikt | no |
| 11:12.29 | kd8ikt | just flashed qtopia to see what the fuss waqs about |
| 11:12.32 | ieatlint | oh, then you'd best not check your priv messages until you get back |
| 11:13.42 | Zorkman | edistar: the wiki is a bit confusing; i have two lines with "menu_" one menu_6 and one menu_8 |
| 11:14.50 | Zorkman | it looks like this: http://pastebin.com/m4bf05356 |
| 11:14.53 | folken | so which images for OM recieve now the most attention? |
| 11:15.27 | edistar | folken: definitely ASU |
| 11:15.56 | edistar | Zorkman: you want to keep those menu lines |
| 11:16.27 | edistar | Zorkman: afaik booting from sd is already in uboot? it was on my FR |
| 11:16.44 | Zorkman | yes it is there, but is says FAT+ext2 |
| 11:17.03 | edistar | why not |
| 11:17.07 | edistar | just try it |
| 11:17.09 | Zorkman | if i do that i get a "bad magic number" |
| 11:18.38 | Zorkman | (it's the same i got yesterday) |
| 11:19.41 | edistar | okey |
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| 11:20.11 | folken | edistar: just to clarify the asu is the qtopia based stack? |
| 11:20.18 | edistar | I suggest you try to learn a little about setenv commands and then try to reset ist |
| 11:20.22 | edistar | *it |
| 11:20.24 | edistar | folken: yes |
| 11:20.27 | Zorkman | folken: yes |
| 11:20.51 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf27ac6e0e8cf 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 204 |
| 11:20.55 | Zorkman | :(... it doesn't seem very simple |
| 11:21.08 | edistar | no, that's true :( |
| 11:21.15 | folken | Zorkman: enter help at the prompt |
| 11:21.26 | folken | Zorkman: then you will see what kind of commands are availble |
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| 11:22.08 | folken | Zorkman: and i kindly suggest never to use nvram erase ... :) |
| 11:22.27 | Zorkman | :) |
| 11:22.43 | tonyg | augh. change local.conf, it rescans all 5000 bitbake recipes |
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| 11:24.23 | patrykszymczak | hi |
| 11:24.36 | Zoup | Hi!:) |
| 11:24.39 | patrykszymczak | anyone having problems to build OM2007.2 on Ubuntu 8.04? |
| 11:25.13 | Zorkman | hi, sorry, no experience |
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| 11:26.21 | patrykszymczak | unable to finish http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomakefile :/ |
| 11:26.49 | edistar | patrykszymczak: log? |
| 11:27.10 | patrykszymczak | http://rafb.net/p/Fr2iwt92.html |
| 11:27.37 | Zorkman | edistar: wouldn't it be possible to flash a device + sd card to a tripple boot system? |
| 11:27.46 | Zorkman | (if someone modified the uboot) |
| 11:28.16 | patrykszymczak | also tried workaround with "sudo sysctl -w vm.mmap_min_addr=0" |
| 11:28.43 | Zorkman | scree |
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| 11:30.29 | edistar | Zorkman: if course! I have that at the moment ;) gtk on internal, debian and ASU on card |
| 11:30.43 | edistar | *of |
| 11:31.07 | edistar | Zorkman: don't have to modify uboot |
| 11:31.12 | Zorkman | but i mean to make what you have in a flashable image for another phone |
| 11:31.46 | edistar | sry, I don't understand you |
| 11:32.59 | Zorkman | i can flash a kernel, uboot and filesystem to the phone (although i know nothig about linux) if it would be able for users to use the same technique to flash an extra OS on the phone in the same manner it would simplify a lot (eg not having to screen etc) |
| 11:33.08 | Zorkman | or maybe that just isnt possible |
| 11:33.43 | edistar | Zorkman: yes, good idea |
| 11:33.51 | edistar | Zorkman: might even be possible |
| 11:34.21 | Zorkman | i'm going to eat now, afterwards i'll try to screen some more :) |
| 11:34.21 | ecraven | is there a way to prevent the FR from turning on when power is supplied?? (battery inserted, usb connected, ...) |
| 11:34.26 | Zorkman | thanks for the help! |
| 11:35.36 | edistar | :) |
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| 11:37.29 | ecraven | can tangogps work directly with /dev/ttySAC1? |
| 11:37.35 | ecraven | or does it absolutely need gpsd? |
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| 11:38.34 | edistar | ecraven: I think it needs gpsd |
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| 11:44.51 | ecraven | has anyone played around with debian on the FR recently? (i know about the guide on the wiki) |
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| 11:47.39 | Zorkman | i haven't ecraven |
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| 11:50.35 | edistar | ecraven: I have debian on FR |
| 11:51.02 | ecraven | edistar: what gui do you use? |
| 11:51.02 | Openfree | who know which uart is for serial ouput when connect debug board |
| 11:51.09 | edistar | ecraven: xfce at the momen |
| 11:51.12 | nuclear_eclipse | anyone know what opkg includes the `install` command? |
| 11:51.12 | edistar | *moment |
| 11:51.13 | Openfree | there are three uart port 0, 1, 2 |
| 11:51.31 | edistar | ecraven: but there is a slight problem ;) if you could figure out how to calibrate that'd be super |
| 11:51.47 | ecraven | edistar: ;) i copied Xglamo and its calibration data |
| 11:51.57 | ecraven | without Xglamo, nothing seems to work right |
| 11:51.58 | edistar | ecraven: and it works? |
| 11:52.06 | ecraven | edistar: yes |
| 11:52.14 | edistar | ecraven: pls give me some instructions? |
| 11:52.17 | ecraven | what is glamo, anyway? the graphics part? |
| 11:52.21 | Zorkman | edistar, fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 \${sd_image_name}\; bootm 0x32000000, i installed the asu so is sd_image_name = openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02 ? |
| 11:52.55 | edistar | ecraven: the graphics chip |
| 11:52.57 | Zorkman | (or openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jjfs2?) |
| 11:53.21 | edistar | ecraven: how did you do it? |
| 11:53.50 | ecraven | edistar: a second |
| 11:54.05 | Openfree | got , uart 1for ttyUSB0, 2 for 1 |
| 11:54.09 | ecraven | edistar: you take Xglamo from /usr/bin from 2007.2 |
| 11:54.16 | ecraven | put it into /usr/bin on your debian install |
| 11:54.42 | edistar | okey |
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| 11:55.27 | ecraven | then you rename /usr/bin/X to something like X.orig, and make X a symlink to Xglamo |
| 11:55.31 | ecraven | ln -s Xglamo X |
| 11:56.29 | edistar | hm, /usr/bin/Xglamo doesn't exist in ASU, I'll have to reflash the phone again.. |
| 11:56.36 | ecraven | no |
| 11:56.44 | ecraven | i'll put it online in a minute |
| 11:56.50 | edistar | ok :) |
| 11:56.54 | ecraven | also copy /etc/pointercal (i'll include that) |
| 11:57.03 | edistar | yeah, I've got that already |
| 11:58.08 | ecraven | http://eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at/tmp/Xglamo-and-pointercal.tar |
| 11:58.14 | edistar | thanks |
| 11:58.16 | ecraven | only the files, no correct directories ;) |
| 11:58.22 | edistar | yes |
| 11:58.30 | ecraven | and that was it for me.. though i don't have xfce yet, i'll try that in a minute |
| 11:58.42 | edistar | I'll test |
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| 11:59.19 | ecraven | how do you login to X automatically? |
| 11:59.21 | Zorkman | to multiboot i have to enter fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 \${sd_image_name} , what is the sd_image_file when i used openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.tar.gz ? (although it will probably not work because of the "fatload" command") |
| 11:59.33 | ecraven | uImage or uImage.bin |
| 11:59.40 | ecraven | you can use printenv to see it |
| 11:59.42 | Zorkman | ok |
| 11:59.55 | ecraven | connect to the nand/nor boot, type "printenv" ;) |
| 12:00.05 | Zorkman | thanks, i wish i could format fat :( |
| 12:00.14 | ecraven | edistar: you don't happen to have a kernel that includes the sd patch for debian? |
| 12:00.20 | Zorkman | maybe when i boot windows i will be able to do that with partitionmagic |
| 12:00.23 | ecraven | Zorkman: me too ;( i keep moving my sd cards around |
| 12:00.36 | ecraven | what operating system do you have? |
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| 12:01.17 | Zorkman | fedora9, knoppix, fedora9liveusb, win xp and vista |
| 12:01.31 | Zorkman | bt i use fedora9 for the freerunner |
| 12:01.43 | ecraven | mkfs.vfat doesn't work? |
| 12:01.56 | Zorkman | not on the freerunner |
| 12:02.01 | ecraven | ah, yes |
| 12:02.14 | ecraven | i thought you meant on the host system. but it shouldn't be too hard to get it onto the FR |
| 12:02.16 | Zorkman | i get mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) Illegal instruction |
| 12:02.26 | ecraven | also, there isn't any need for the boot partition anyway, it shouldn't be necessary! |
| 12:02.28 | Zorkman | and with another program: dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN Logical sector size is zero. |
| 12:02.41 | edistar | ecraven: just use any kernel new kernel |
| 12:02.51 | Sonicadvance1 | wtf? |
| 12:03.31 | edistar | ecraven: sorry, any new OM kernel |
| 12:03.49 | ecraven | where do i get the modules? from the rootfs? |
| 12:04.05 | edistar | ecraven: you can get the modules from buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 12:05.12 | Zorkman | lol: |
| 12:05.12 | Zorkman | GTA02v5 # help |
| 12:05.13 | Zorkman | Unknown command 'help' - try 'help' |
| 12:05.29 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * rb3e4f620379a 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/keyboard.cpp: [predictivekeyboard] Hide the OptionsWindow when the keyboard gets moved out of screen |
| 12:05.29 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r0f4816a1bdb3 10/src/libraries/qtopia/qsoftmenubar.cpp: [option menu] Use QMenu::popup to reposition a visible popupmenu... |
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| 12:11.58 | edistar | ecraven: Xserver doesn't even start anymore.. |
| 12:13.20 | Dave | ECRAVEN |
| 12:16.37 | ecraven | edistar: can you try startx -- vt1 from the console? |
| 12:16.44 | ecraven | Dave: hey ;) |
| 12:17.12 | ecraven | edistar: i'm installing xfce4 right now, as soon as it's done, i'll tell you whether and how i got it working |
| 12:17.32 | edistar | ecraven: http://nopaste.org/p/adauyGk6r |
| 12:18.02 | ecraven | edistar: good point, i copied that library from 2007.2 too ;) |
| 12:18.07 | edistar | hah, ok |
| 12:18.16 | edistar | ecraven: can you upload that for me? |
| 12:18.50 | edistar | cause the libts provided by debian doesn't seem to be enough |
| 12:18.50 | Dave | neod neod neod |
| 12:18.59 | ecraven | http://eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at/tmp/libts-1.0.so.0.0.0 |
| 12:19.10 | ecraven | put it in /usr/lib, and symlink libts-1.0.so.0 to it |
| 12:19.28 | ecraven | yes, for some reason debian has 0.0?!? |
| 12:19.51 | edistar | yes |
| 12:20.54 | edistar | ecraven: ah, failed to open tslib device, tried /dev/ts etc.. |
| 12:21.01 | ecraven | yes |
| 12:21.06 | ecraven | a second |
| 12:21.17 | Dave | o_O |
| 12:21.22 | ecraven | Section "InputDevice" |
| 12:21.22 | ecraven | Identifier"Configured Mouse" |
| 12:21.23 | ecraven | Driver"tslib" |
| 12:21.23 | ecraven | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.23 | ecraven | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.23 | ecraven | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.25 | ecraven | EndSection |
| 12:21.31 | ecraven | put this into /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 12:21.32 | Dave | :o |
| 12:21.47 | edistar | I have that already |
| 12:22.17 | ecraven | what is the exact error? |
| 12:22.27 | edistar | ecraven: one moment |
| 12:22.41 | ecraven | i remember it happened, but not sure how i fixed it |
| 12:22.55 | Dave | What sort of evil things are you two up to? :P |
| 12:23.02 | ecraven | getting debian to work decently ;) |
| 12:23.09 | edistar | ecraven: I have access to the gsm modem btw :) there are 2 udev rules in OM that are not in debian, if you add them you can talk to gsm modem via ttySAC0 |
| 12:23.11 | Dave | on freerunner? :D |
| 12:23.23 | edistar | Dave: yes |
| 12:23.44 | ecraven | edistar: perfect.. we should collect some of this on the wiki, or provide debian packages for Xglamo, maybe? |
| 12:23.45 | Dave | What did you install? |
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| 12:24.16 | edistar | ecraven: yeah, I just have to find this again |
| 12:24.32 | ecraven | bound to be in /etc/udev/rules.d |
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| 12:24.40 | edistar | but xfce with onboard keyboard is really cool |
| 12:24.44 | edistar | if the calibration is correct ; |
| 12:24.45 | edistar | ;) |
| 12:24.57 | ecraven | how do i get the onscreen keyboard to pop up? |
| 12:25.13 | edistar | ecraven: have you seen wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/debian? |
| 12:25.19 | ecraven | yes |
| 12:25.36 | edistar | it tells you there |
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| 12:25.50 | Dave | rules.d! |
| 12:25.57 | ecraven | ah, just saw it, thanks! |
| 12:27.04 | Dave | Did you hit it? |
| 12:28.13 | edistar | ecraven: tried to symlink /dev/input/event1 to /dev/ts but that didn't work.. |
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| 12:29.19 | ecraven | can you paste the entire error message? |
| 12:29.32 | Dave | Have you plugged a mouse into your freeruner? |
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| 12:30.05 | edistar | ecraven: http://nopaste.org/p/aeYW2DYeP |
| 12:30.31 | ecraven | hehe, i remember, a second |
| 12:30.38 | Fossi | dows opening the FR void the guarantee? |
| 12:30.43 | ecraven | put this into /etc/profile |
| 12:30.46 | ecraven | export TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/event1 |
| 12:30.46 | ecraven | export TSLIB_CONFFILE=/etc/ts.conf |
| 12:30.53 | ecraven | stupid libts.. |
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| 12:31.54 | Dave | retracile :) |
| 12:31.56 | edistar | failed to open tslib device |
| 12:32.10 | ecraven | then you need to relog |
| 12:32.12 | retracile | Hey Dave; what's up? |
| 12:32.21 | ecraven | or run ". /etc/profile" in your shell |
| 12:32.25 | edistar | I did that |
| 12:32.30 | edistar | but it still doesn't work |
| 12:32.37 | Dave | cat debian > freerunner |
| 12:32.40 | edistar | it does now try to open /dev/input/event1 |
| 12:32.52 | ecraven | do you have rights to open it? |
| 12:33.29 | edistar | ecraven: how could I not have the rights? I'm root atm |
| 12:34.04 | ecraven | does cat /dev/input/event1 work? |
| 12:34.12 | edistar | ecraven: no, it does not.. I wonder why. |
| 12:34.13 | ecraven | i.e. produce output if you move your finger on the touchscreen? |
| 12:34.14 | Tanuva | I cant find anything about flashing a new uboot to a fr, just for the 1973 (requiring a debug board). Hints? |
| 12:34.26 | edistar | Tanuva: why would you? |
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| 12:34.37 | Dave | oh, is there no touchscreen0 device? :P |
| 12:34.39 | Tanuva | to be able to boot from sd |
| 12:35.00 | edistar | Tanuva: that also works with the factory uboot |
| 12:35.42 | Tanuva | huh.. |
| 12:35.44 | Tanuva | strange |
| 12:36.05 | Tanuva | but why's this yellow box there: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card |
| 12:36.44 | edistar | ecraven: I do have a udev rule.. |
| 12:37.20 | ecraven | it works here.. maybe something got broken, can you reboot? |
| 12:37.32 | ecraven | or use udevinfo to find out why event1 doesn't work |
| 12:37.42 | bumbl | has anyone already successfully received an invisibleShield ordered at zagg.com? |
| 12:37.48 | edistar | ecraven: I'll check, rebooting now |
| 12:37.51 | Dave | accelerometers! |
| 12:38.22 | edistar | ecraven: we should speed up the boot process |
| 12:38.25 | edistar | somehow |
| 12:38.37 | HauDyrArb | Keep under the speed limit and get away from my lawn! |
| 12:38.38 | edistar | argh, fs check |
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| 12:38.46 | Dave | haha |
| 12:39.13 | ecraven | edistar: very much ;) |
| 12:40.21 | Tanuva | bumbl: still waiting for mine |
| 12:40.25 | Tanuva | (I'm in europe) |
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| 12:41.04 | ecraven | edistar: works nicely, but xfce is rather slow too ;( |
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| 12:41.14 | edistar | ecraven: really? |
| 12:41.20 | Dave | more flux please! |
| 12:41.20 | edistar | ecraven: it was fast the last time I used it |
| 12:41.30 | edistar | ecraven: must be the Xglamo |
| 12:41.30 | edistar | -.- |
| 12:41.36 | Dave | xblamo |
| 12:41.43 | ecraven | might be ;( |
| 12:41.45 | Dave | xplosion |
| 12:41.54 | ecraven | what web-browser do you use? |
| 12:41.59 | edistar | ecraven: nonne yet |
| 12:42.05 | edistar | *none |
| 12:42.10 | edistar | ts still doesn't work |
| 12:42.16 | Dave | awww |
| 12:42.28 | edistar | still don't have an event1 -.- |
| 12:43.16 | ecraven | strange ;( |
| 12:43.36 | Dave | the force is not strong with this one |
| 12:44.27 | edistar | ecraven: how do I use udevinfo? |
| 12:44.41 | ecraven | try udevinfo class/input/event1 |
| 12:44.58 | edistar | missing option |
| 12:45.37 | ieatlint | anyone here running wifi on their FR and can check something for me quickly? |
| 12:45.38 | ecraven | udevinfo --query=all --name input/event1 |
| 12:45.52 | edistar | node name not found |
| 12:45.53 | ieatlint | specifically, run "iwconfig eth0" and tell me if the noise level says -96 dBm |
| 12:45.59 | ecraven | strange, works for me |
| 12:47.04 | edistar | ecraven: this is in my /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules : http://nopaste.org/p/auYEtcQhhb |
| 12:47.43 | ecraven | edistar: mine is the default debian one, plus the rule for SAC? |
| 12:47.55 | edistar | SAC? |
| 12:48.04 | ecraven | oh, you rename event0 to event1 |
| 12:48.05 | Dave | SAC SAC SAC |
| 12:48.05 | ecraven | that won't work |
| 12:48.16 | ecraven | that way you "overwrite" your original event1 |
| 12:48.17 | ecraven | i think ;) |
| 12:48.30 | edistar | hm |
| 12:48.38 | edistar | I'll comment it out |
| 12:48.39 | ecraven | ieatlint: yes |
| 12:48.42 | Dave | ecraven, forgot how you did it? :) |
| 12:48.47 | ecraven | ieatlint: without upping the interface |
| 12:48.54 | ecraven | Dave: did what? |
| 12:49.06 | ieatlint | i'm reasonably sure the driver always reports -96 dBm for the noise... |
| 12:49.20 | ecraven | a second, i'll try to connect to a network |
| 12:49.32 | Dave | ieatlint, while it's down? |
| 12:49.39 | ecraven | very nice, link quality 180/94 ;-P |
| 12:49.45 | ieatlint | Dave, no, always |
| 12:49.47 | Dave | yeah |
| 12:49.49 | ecraven | signal level -171 dBm |
| 12:49.54 | Dave | I get like 230/80 and stuff |
| 12:50.09 | Dave | it's karazay |
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| 12:50.22 | ieatlint | the driver is reporting it incorrectly |
| 12:50.30 | Dave | duh |
| 12:50.30 | ieatlint | the only accurate variable appears to be the snr |
| 12:50.37 | ecraven | rebooting my neo now |
| 12:50.38 | Dave | :] |
| 12:50.51 | ecraven | can i change the uboot to automatically boot from SD? |
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| 12:51.16 | Dave | grub grub grub |
| 12:51.39 | HauDyrArb | aaaand |
| 12:52.11 | HauDyrArb | how to use grub |
| 12:53.09 | Tanuva | ecraven: this is described in the "boot from sd" wiki page afaik |
| 12:53.20 | Tanuva | (not that I have read/done that) |
| 12:53.53 | Fossi | hmmm. looking at my gps atenna connector, it doesn't look like the one pin is soldered on at all |
| 12:54.02 | Tanuva | rasterman said on the ml that its possible to decompile .edj files using edje_decc. But where can I get this thingy from? Can't find it in any package.. |
| 12:54.12 | ecraven | Tanuva: the problem is the "automatically" part |
| 12:54.33 | Tanuva | ecraven: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card#Autoboot_from_SDHC |
| 12:54.49 | ecraven | Tanuva: oh, thanks! |
| 12:55.11 | Tanuva | np :) |
| 12:56.46 | Dave | AutoAssplosion |
| 12:57.24 | ecraven | what is pcf50633? |
| 12:57.37 | Dave | that keeps scheduling work? :D |
| 12:57.53 | ecraven | yes, i'd prefer a lower debug level ;) |
| 12:57.59 | Dave | yeah :P |
| 12:58.13 | Dave | I found that rather annoying, too. |
| 12:58.26 | Fossi | let's see if it still works XD |
| 12:58.31 | HauDyrArb | nice guide to booting from the SD it must have been added recently |
| 12:58.49 | Dave | Everything was added "recently" :P |
| 12:58.50 | HauDyrArb | booting = auto booting |
| 12:59.16 | HauDyrArb | Dave, yes in geological scale |
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| 12:59.41 | Dave | o_O |
| 12:59.58 | Dave | sets haudryarab up teh bomb |
| 12:59.59 | HauDyrArb | recently we started farming the contry |
| 13:00.17 | Tanuva | grmpf... I just want this damn edje_decc... >.< |
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| 13:01.03 | edistar | ecraven: I now have an event1.. but startx --vt1 tells me this: http://nopaste.org/p/aYgTMCrbB |
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| 13:01.11 | HauDyrArb | *tik* *tok* *tik* *tok* *riiiiing* *KABLAM* |
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| 13:02.02 | Dave | :D |
| 13:02.38 | edistar | ecraven: cat /dev/input/event1 does though :) |
| 13:03.27 | Fossi | how do things get sorted and categoriesed in the app starter? |
| 13:03.36 | Dave | terribly :P |
| 13:03.49 | edistar | Fossi: with .desktop files in /usr/share/applications |
| 13:03.56 | Fossi | thanks |
| 13:04.28 | edistar | ecraven: does ts work for you? |
| 13:04.33 | ecraven | edistar: yes |
| 13:04.35 | Fossi | makes you wonder why a browser would be part of 'PIM Suit' |
| 13:04.41 | Dave | teamspeak? :P |
| 13:04.42 | Tanuva | Fossi: keep an eye on the categor(y|ies), not every cat is displayed |
| 13:04.58 | Dave | Fossi, there is little logic to it, I've found :P |
| 13:05.02 | Fossi | yeah |
| 13:05.03 | ecraven | edistar: that's the same thing X tells me |
| 13:05.06 | ecraven | it still works though |
| 13:05.11 | ecraven | what does yours do? |
| 13:05.31 | edistar | well, it starts xfce but it doesn't recognize taps on the screen |
| 13:05.52 | Dave | crappy |
| 13:05.58 | ecraven | strange.. |
| 13:06.15 | edistar | ecraven: does it recognize taps with you? |
| 13:06.22 | ecraven | it did, without xfce |
| 13:06.28 | ecraven | not sure about xfce, just compiling tangogps now |
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| 13:06.43 | ecraven | starting x now, a minute ;) |
| 13:06.46 | ecraven | (literally..) |
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| 13:07.36 | kdub | what is the best image out there as far as every day use goes? |
| 13:08.17 | bumbl | kdub: try the latest openmoko gtk image, to me it seems more stable than asu |
| 13:09.02 | Dave | ecraven :D |
| 13:09.04 | Dave | sounds good |
| 13:09.19 | kdub | thanks bumbl |
| 13:09.29 | bumbl | np |
| 13:09.45 | edistar | ecraven: why does it take so long? |
| 13:10.02 | ecraven | edistar: i'm compiling besides ;) |
| 13:10.07 | edistar | ah, okey |
| 13:10.15 | kdub | will the gtk image be discontinued when the asu is in better shape? there are like 3 different stacks to work on, and I don't know which one to focus on... :-/ |
| 13:10.26 | XorA | focus on FSO |
| 13:10.26 | ecraven | let's hope FSO is the future |
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| 13:10.44 | edistar | FSO as middleware and ASU/illume as window manager |
| 13:10.44 | ecraven | edistar: have you got sound working? |
| 13:10.55 | edistar | ecraven: haven't tried yet, I'll do thatnow |
| 13:11.05 | ecraven | i can't get correct mixer settings ;( |
| 13:11.07 | edistar | but first I wanted to have ts |
| 13:11.14 | edistar | you need alsa state files ;) |
| 13:11.16 | bumbl | kdub: the gtk image is already discontinued, but it is more useable at the moment |
| 13:11.18 | ecraven | be sure to change the module name to -gta02- |
| 13:11.18 | edistar | from somewhere |
| 13:11.27 | ecraven | yes, but the existing ones are for gta01 |
| 13:11.36 | edistar | ecraven: there must be alsa-state-files for gta02 too |
| 13:11.56 | kdub | i'm actually trying to bitbake the fso right now, but i'm having problems. should i ask here, or on #oe? |
| 13:12.06 | edistar | ecraven: change which module name? |
| 13:13.07 | ecraven | edistar: the sound module is called snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753, in step 10 in ../wiki/Debian |
| 13:13.23 | edistar | ah, ok |
| 13:13.53 | ecraven | then you have an alsa device, but it has 30 or so controls |
| 13:14.01 | ecraven | i don't have any idea which to change how, to get actual output |
| 13:15.27 | edistar | yeah |
| 13:16.17 | edistar | ecraven: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/changeset?old=4149%40trunk%2Fsrc%2Ftarget%2FOM-2007.2%2Fmisc%2Falsa-state-files%2Ffic-gta02%2Fasound.state&new=4149%40trunk%2Fsrc%2Ftarget%2FOM-2007.2%2Fmisc%2Falsa-state-files%2Ffic-gta02%2Fasound.state |
| 13:16.33 | Dave | holy crap |
| 13:16.46 | Tanuva | monster link alarm! take cover! |
| 13:17.52 | XorA | the openmoko-scenarious package contains the state files |
| 13:17.59 | XorA | they are also in svn |
| 13:18.06 | Fossi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.31 | Dave | :P |
| 13:18.50 | Fossi | hmmm. seems like it |
| 13:18.51 | Dave | lowell |
| 13:18.58 | Dave | seems like bs to me :D |
| 13:21.45 | Dave | sooooooooo |
| 13:22.09 | Dave | how about them chipsets... |
| 13:22.50 | ecraven | edistar: i took the one from the image, works very well |
| 13:22.52 | ecraven | great ;) |
| 13:23.07 | edistar | ecraven: so now, does your ts work? |
| 13:23.07 | Dave | you got it to work, ecraven? :o |
| 13:23.22 | ecraven | Dave: sound, yes |
| 13:23.25 | Dave | summons the Chocky |
| 13:23.35 | ecraven | edistar: i'll try in a minute, it seems to work ok on matchbox, but besides compiling, i can't do much |
| 13:23.40 | edistar | okey |
| 13:23.46 | Dave | ecraven :P |
| 13:23.57 | Dave | the usability currently sucks :) |
| 13:24.12 | ecraven | that will change ;) |
| 13:24.32 | edistar | with debian everything will get better and better ;) |
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| 13:25.44 | Dave | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeviiiiiiiiiil! |
| 13:25.51 | Dave | edistar, hopefully! :D |
| 13:26.15 | ecraven | edistar: hope so |
| 13:26.21 | ecraven | why didn't they use debian as a base anyway? |
| 13:26.43 | ecraven | ah, libcurl pulls in openssl ;( it seems a "basic" debian install is about 1g on the neo (if you use it for developping) |
| 13:27.19 | SpeedEvil | you can probably pull ssl support from libcurl |
| 13:27.25 | SpeedEvil | IIRC there is a flag |
| 13:27.25 | edistar | ecraven: well, it's debian |
| 13:27.33 | edistar | ecraven: you have a small card built in?? |
| 13:27.45 | edistar | -? |
| 13:28.13 | ecraven | no, i got a 4gb card |
| 13:28.18 | edistar | ok |
| 13:28.34 | ecraven | if i knew how to crosscompile, or setup distcc for cross-compilation.. |
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| 13:29.09 | edistar | then you could help me with ts :D |
| 13:29.12 | Fossi | does the FR still use battery if it's turned off? |
| 13:29.41 | edistar | Fossi: no |
| 13:29.54 | Fossi | i wonder why mine is almost empty |
| 13:30.01 | kdub | where do FSO developers hang out? |
| 13:30.06 | Fossi | i though i had turned it off |
| 13:30.10 | kdub | (as far as IRC goes) |
| 13:30.15 | edistar | kdub: here |
| 13:30.46 | ecraven | hehe, did you try anything *but* xfce? |
| 13:30.50 | edistar | apt-get update takes aaages too |
| 13:30.59 | ecraven | bzip2 on the neo isn't a good idea i think ;) |
| 13:31.18 | edistar | ecraven: do you mean me? |
| 13:31.25 | Dave | oh man! |
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| 13:31.36 | kdub | edistar: so the correct way to do fso development is to get a bitbake-d image to compile? and work on the source in the bitbake tree? |
| 13:31.48 | ecraven | yes, edistar ;) |
| 13:32.07 | edistar | ecraven: I tried loads of things.. including sound and gsm etc |
| 13:32.16 | edistar | ecraven: but it isn't fun with the wrong calibration |
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| 13:32.43 | edistar | host mode etc works too |
| 13:33.27 | ecraven | edistar: no, i mean did you try any other window manager? |
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| 13:33.32 | edistar | ecraven: ah, no |
| 13:33.38 | edistar | ecraven: I tried x without xfce |
| 13:33.40 | Fossi | hmm. the default battery monitor sucks :\ |
| 13:33.54 | edistar | Fossi: HdR wrote one |
| 13:34.28 | ecraven | edistar: can you try that? x without xfce worked fine for me |
| 13:34.37 | ecraven | i wrote a sample test program in Chicken Scheme, no problems with that at all |
| 13:35.06 | Tanuva | gstreamer cant seem to open the alsa device on fso... :/ |
| 13:35.12 | edistar | ecraven: dunno how to get the xserver to start without xfce now |
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| 13:36.08 | Fossi | edistar: so? who's that? |
| 13:36.10 | Dave | Has anyone else gotten video playback on their freerunner yet? |
| 13:36.20 | edistar | Fossi: ping him |
| 13:36.21 | edistar | ;) |
| 13:36.30 | Fossi | edistar: i mean, it's ok and does it's job, i would just love to have a reading in percent |
| 13:36.39 | Fossi | i'll check the source and see how it works |
| 13:37.18 | Dave | oh man |
| 13:37.23 | Dave | installs myst on his freerunner |
| 13:37.58 | Tanuva | lol |
| 13:38.25 | edistar | ecraven: okey, that works |
| 13:38.31 | edistar | ecraven: only not together with xfce |
| 13:38.46 | ecraven | edistar: same here |
| 13:38.56 | ecraven | just running tangogps on debian, works perfectly |
| 13:38.59 | ecraven | no problems with clicking |
| 13:39.04 | edistar | okey |
| 13:39.06 | ecraven | how do we hide the mouse pointer |
| 13:39.16 | edistar | I don't want to hide it ;) |
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| 13:40.07 | ecraven | i want to hide it as long as no mouse is connected ;) |
| 13:41.41 | edistar | but I do want to know what the difference is between xfce and just x |
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| 13:43.14 | ecraven | no idea |
| 13:43.24 | ecraven | but xfce is too heavy for me, i'll try to customize matchbox |
| 13:43.36 | ecraven | it might still be a bug with the libts setup |
| 13:43.55 | edistar | xfce is really fast.. |
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| 13:47.54 | ecraven | has anyone succeeded in getting the touchscreen and xrandr work together? so that the coordinates aren't wrong when i change the orientation |
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| 13:48.33 | edistar | ecraven: that's an xglamo problem |
| 13:48.51 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: I have a hardware fix for it if you ship me your FR. |
| 13:49.04 | SpeedEvil | (I ship back a neo1973) |
| 13:49.22 | HauDyrArb | Nice |
| 13:51.05 | ecraven | why does debian not have a decent libts? |
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| 13:53.23 | HauDyrArb | edistar, the Xfce - Desktop Environment |
| 13:53.23 | HauDyrArb | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.17 | edistar | ah, ok |
| 13:57.20 | SpeedEvil | ponders the mde. mwm - desktop environment. |
| 13:57.29 | SpeedEvil | An xterm. |
| 13:57.38 | xt | hi |
| 13:57.45 | xt | erm |
| 13:57.56 | zash | xterms ftw |
| 13:58.31 | trickie | Dave: i got video playback kind of |
| 13:58.38 | trickie | Dave: with mplayer |
| 13:58.44 | trickie | but i had to kill pulseaudio |
| 13:59.05 | trickie | and re-encode it as a smaller mpeg4 |
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| 14:00.51 | ecraven | xfce4 pulls in way too much .. radeontool?? |
| 14:01.26 | Dave | trickie, kind of? |
| 14:01.38 | Dave | To what degree was it a success? |
| 14:01.59 | trickie | Dave: well i only re-encoded a 30 sec clip of simpsons episode |
| 14:02.06 | trickie | i could watch it |
| 14:02.16 | trickie | sound was very clicky/staticy |
| 14:02.20 | trickie | but it was watchable |
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| 14:02.42 | trickie | gstreamer would never show video, but audio sounded nicer than with mplayer |
| 14:02.57 | ecraven | i'll try xine in a minute |
| 14:03.04 | ecraven | or more, depending on how fast it installs |
| 14:03.38 | edistar | ecraven: if xfce is based on xfree.. |
| 14:03.47 | edistar | ecraven: suggest another window manager |
| 14:03.59 | trickie | the mplayer patches balrog-kun did for hardware acceleration for mpeg4 would be nice to try |
| 14:04.09 | Dave | ;\ |
| 14:04.19 | Dave | trickie, how is that watchable? :| |
| 14:04.27 | Dave | oh |
| 14:04.29 | Dave | hrm |
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| 14:04.53 | trickie | Dave: ? |
| 14:05.13 | trickie | Dave: i could watch all 30 secs without frames dropping, if thats what you mean |
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| 14:06.28 | trickie | Dave: thats was from sdcard also |
| 14:08.49 | Fossi | well, my 200 mhz omap can do mpeg4 in 320x240, so the moko should as well |
| 14:09.02 | Fossi | what resolution did you take? |
| 14:09.30 | sparrow | Dave/ecraven - Check out this post, maybe the work Russell is doing will help: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-July/000304.html |
| 14:09.40 | ecraven | edistar: everything is based on xfree/xorg |
| 14:09.42 | trickie | to be honest i really don't know what i did, one of the first thing i tried when i got my FR, but just to see if happen :) |
| 14:10.02 | trickie | and that sentence didn't really make sense |
| 14:10.33 | Dave | okay :) |
| 14:10.37 | Dave | yeah |
| 14:10.47 | Dave | :D |
| 14:10.52 | Dave | pretty tricky :P |
| 14:11.04 | trickie | i used tablet-encode which is a utilty to re-encode video for optimal playback on a nokia internet tablet |
| 14:11.05 | trickie | http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html |
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| 14:11.28 | trickie | Dave: yeah, well i have had no coffee today and am trying not do too much irc-ing at work :) |
| 14:11.33 | trickie | not really working :) |
| 14:12.17 | trickie | i think with tablet-encode i just used the default settings, do i don't know off the top of my head what settings it used for mencoder |
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| 14:14.37 | Dave | :D |
| 14:14.54 | Dave | that's okay |
| 14:15.07 | Dave | though mplayer playback with mp4 did okay? :) |
| 14:15.16 | edistar | ecraven: it works :) |
| 14:15.23 | trickie | Dave: yep :) |
| 14:16.15 | ecraven | edistar: what did you do? |
| 14:17.22 | jtickle | I'm trying to get the ASU build on my OM... do I want to download openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.tar.gz from the daily builds? |
| 14:17.30 | jtickle | lots of files there, just making sure that's the right one |
| 14:17.44 | Dave | :D |
| 14:17.46 | kd8ikt | tried qtopia earlier |
| 14:17.49 | edistar | ecraven: no idea anymore.. in the end I installed fluxbox and did an apt-get remove xfce4.. then I did startx -- vt1 again and it booted into xfce and works |
| 14:17.56 | kd8ikt | cant say i was too impressed |
| 14:18.01 | ecraven | edistar: lol ;) |
| 14:18.06 | edistar | ecraven: exactly |
| 14:18.26 | Dave | ;) |
| 14:18.28 | Dave | kd8ikt! |
| 14:18.36 | kd8ikt | Dave! |
| 14:18.47 | edistar | ecraven: i'll try rebooting and using the onscreen keyboard |
| 14:18.56 | kd8ikt | loow we're symetric |
| 14:19.46 | Dave | :D |
| 14:20.05 | kd8ikt | as i was saying :P for fso |
| 14:20.14 | kd8ikt | and qtopia |
| 14:20.18 | Dave | kd8, thanks for revising your weasel page :p |
| 14:20.28 | kd8ikt | i did? |
| 14:20.40 | kd8ikt | i think i'm giving up onn it |
| 14:20.47 | kd8ikt | hence FAIL |
| 14:21.03 | ecraven | ah, the neo really needs a reset button |
| 14:21.15 | kd8ikt | when lint showed me about wpa_supplicants.conf auto entry |
| 14:21.31 | edistar | ecraven: press power for ages and it'll reboot |
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| 14:22.05 | kd8ikt | i need someone to remove those pages i F-d up now its just a reminder of my failed bastard child |
| 14:22.22 | edistar | grrr. doesn't work anymore.. |
| 14:22.51 | kd8ikt | why is suspend/resume haing so much trouble? |
| 14:23.03 | ecraven | 30 seconds, no reboot |
| 14:23.07 | Dave | aww |
| 14:23.13 | kd8ikt | i'd think it would be trivial to implement |
| 14:23.18 | Dave | kd8ikt: :) |
| 14:23.28 | Dave | Well I liked your intention anyway :) |
| 14:23.33 | Dave | not to mention the cute name :] |
| 14:23.42 | edistar | ecraven: sounds wrong |
| 14:24.13 | kd8ikt | lint showed me howfar he is on his python/gtk wireless app |
| 14:24.31 | kd8ikt | its pretty snazzy |
| 14:24.39 | kd8ikt | i like it |
| 14:25.00 | kd8ikt | i wish i could code in python so i could attack it while he's sleeping |
| 14:25.34 | ecraven | edistar: python ;) |
| 14:25.49 | edistar | ecraven: heh |
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| 14:26.08 | SpeedEvil | kdub: blank them, an add the template candidates for speedy deletion |
| 14:27.47 | kdub | ? |
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| 14:29.47 | atul | Hi scp prjname user@192.168.1.117 is not working any Idea ? |
| 14:30.03 | ecraven | edistar: playing around with tangogps under xfce, it seems to work |
| 14:30.10 | edistar | ecraven: cool |
| 14:30.10 | kd8ikt | user@host:./ |
| 14:30.21 | kd8ikt | needs a filesystem path :./ |
| 14:30.22 | edistar | ecraven: I just wonder why gdm doesn't like the ts |
| 14:30.28 | kd8ikt | or :/wherever |
| 14:31.23 | ecraven | i don't use gdm |
| 14:31.29 | ecraven | i see no reason for a login manager on my phone ;) |
| 14:31.43 | ecraven | hm.. interesting |
| 14:31.52 | ecraven | tichy totally and utterly kills my FR |
| 14:32.25 | kd8ikt | FAIL |
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| 14:41.19 | atul | kd8ikt: filesystem path ok |
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| 14:41.21 | atul | I will try |
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| 14:49.21 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5aed0d9b6f6a 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [srcrev] Upgrade app-restarter and fix the PV also bump PE |
| 14:52.27 | Dave | :P |
| 14:56.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r870c5f6f96ac 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [app-restarter] Add the little helper utility to the OpenEmbedded/Openmoko metadata |
| 14:56.38 | kd8ikt | why is screen unbelieveably slow to start on the moko |
| 14:56.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4d2602e5fb42 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [srcrev] Upgrade app-restarter and fix the PV also bump PE |
| 14:56.40 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r48d27c90a9b2 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [qtopia] Use the app-restarter in case the Qtopia process exits |
| 14:56.41 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r553a46a6a520 10/packages/iotop/iotop_0.2.1.bb: [iotop] Actually remove the site.py and site.pyo from the package |
| 14:56.42 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r0cd35fdca249 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 204 |
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| 14:58.32 | edistar | kd8ikt: delete /etc/termcap |
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| 15:01.38 | Dave | Just what are you deleting now? :P |
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| 15:02.26 | Fossi | damn. i removed the gps connector and went outside, but still no fix. not even GTM |
| 15:03.07 | Fossi | cat /dev/ttySAC1 |grep GPGGA only gives $GPGGA,,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*48 about every second |
| 15:03.24 | Fossi | to me it looks like the upper pin is not even soldered on at all |
| 15:03.29 | Sargun_screen | t-minus 6 hours till FR fun |
| 15:04.03 | Fossi | who am i supposed to talk about this? :\ |
| 15:04.44 | Fossi | i'm surely not gonna try to solder it on and void my guarantee :\ |
| 15:04.56 | XorA | Fossi: where did you get your FR? |
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| 15:05.08 | Fossi | this is without an sd card in of course |
| 15:05.12 | Sargun_screen | SpeedEvil < - resident hardware god. |
| 15:05.42 | Fossi | a local reseller who ordered a 10 pack |
| 15:06.08 | Fossi | one of my colleagues' fr has the same problems |
| 15:06.13 | XorA | Fossi: I guess you'll have to email OM then and see who is doing repairs |
| 15:06.14 | Fossi | the other two work |
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| 15:06.52 | sparrow | Fossi - Post a mail in the support list, and they should tell you how to get a resolution. (ie return it, or who can sort it out for you) |
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| 15:07.11 | sparrow | Fossi - https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support |
| 15:08.05 | sparrow | If you are in Toronto Canada, I will fix it for you. |
| 15:08.05 | Fossi | i'll try that |
| 15:08.19 | Fossi | not quite, i'm from hamburg, germany ;) |
| 15:08.32 | sparrow | Well, that is a bit of a hike ;) |
| 15:09.22 | XorA | I think the .de official reseller is doing repairs, but not exactly clear on that |
| 15:10.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5e20927a5899 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get some predictive keyboard changes (input symbol keys, show/hide it) |
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| 15:10.55 | *** topic/#openmoko by TAsn -> Openmoko | Freerunner stock: 850 are in stock. | Official Updates: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. | Community dev #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
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| 15:11.09 | TAsn | did you see that there are 850's at the webshop? |
| 15:11.09 | Chox | all. |
| 15:11.15 | sparrow | gets his arduino talking to his fr via usb |
| 15:11.16 | TAsn | 15... |
| 15:11.45 | Chox | och. |
| 15:11.46 | Chox | there are. |
| 15:12.03 | Chox | heh |
| 15:12.07 | Chox | won't last. |
| 15:12.20 | Zorkman_ | curious how many there are sold |
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| 15:13.23 | sparrow | I am wondering when they will start to sell the 900's on the web store |
| 15:13.48 | mmontour | the 900s were scheduled to arrive on the 25th |
| 15:14.02 | sparrow | Oooooo =) |
| 15:14.26 | kelvie | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.52 | Chox | maybe not, but there's a software fix |
| 15:15.23 | sparrow | Chox - Do you know what kernel the software fix is in? |
| 15:15.42 | Chox | no idea, but opkg update brought it in for me in the last few days |
| 15:16.08 | Chox | was travelling 105km/h on the train :o |
| 15:16.44 | sparrow | Are you using the default distro, just updated with opkg? |
| 15:17.02 | Chox | some GTK snapshot that I updated. |
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| 15:22.56 | cnwdup | Shouldn't I get any output using cat /dev/input/event2? I'd like to experiment with the accelerometers the FR has. |
| 15:23.59 | Hobart | Does anyone know if a wifi access point browser / UI for entering keys is scheduled to end up in the base nightlies anytime soon? |
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| 15:24.34 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r034b20413417 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [gsm] Do not handle ATA/AT+CHLD=2 failures as missed calls |
| 15:26.30 | Chox | Hobart: one is being made, looks nearly ready |
| 15:26.37 | Hobart | 'k |
| 15:26.48 | Hobart | is there currently any way to set ring preferences in the nightly build? |
| 15:26.53 | Chox | heh |
| 15:26.53 | Hobart | Chox -> thanks |
| 15:26.54 | Chox | no |
| 15:27.04 | Hobart | allrightythen |
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| 15:30.55 | Dave | chox, lawl, weak. |
| 15:31.11 | Chox | whysoweak? |
| 15:31.27 | Chox | D! |
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| 15:33.06 | Fossi | i just talked to the german seller we got the 10pack from and they said i can just send it in |
| 15:33.10 | Fossi | great service :) |
| 15:33.48 | Guilt | btw. good news. |
| 15:33.54 | Guilt | i'm getting the freerunner tomorrow. |
| 15:33.58 | sparrow | Fossi - Great news =) |
| 15:34.23 | Guilt | and probably everybody else who ordered from Ida. :-) \o/ |
| 15:34.32 | Guilt | it was a bit longer, but they did it :p |
| 15:35.25 | Dave | GUILT |
| 15:35.33 | Guilt | Dave! |
| 15:35.37 | Dave | YES |
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| 15:36.11 | Chox | CPSLK |
| 15:36.27 | Guilt | Dave: yes! how is it going |
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| 15:38.12 | Dave | Crappy |
| 15:38.21 | Dave | Freerunner can be so difficult ~_~ |
| 15:38.30 | Dave | and I have to cross-compile modules for the freerunner today -_-; |
| 15:38.33 | Dave | What a pain! |
| 15:39.11 | Chox | hah! |
| 15:39.14 | Chox | what pain. |
| 15:40.58 | Dave | stabs Chox |
| 15:41.01 | Dave | THAT PAIN! |
| 15:41.02 | Dave | :P |
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| 15:41.30 | Chox | dies a death |
| 15:41.31 | sparrow | Where would I look for the docs on configuring the ring/action sounds? |
| 15:41.36 | Chox | and bleeds all over dave |
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| 15:42.07 | troy|work | Dave: you are cross compiling for freerunner? I am also attempting to do the same. Are you having any luck? |
| 15:43.42 | troy|work | if you are compiling kernel modules, I might need to ask you some questions ;) |
| 15:44.11 | Dave | troy, I've done it before without any probelsm |
| 15:44.17 | Dave | you can also just compile ON the freerunner, itself. |
| 15:44.23 | Dave | though it takes much longer |
| 15:44.35 | Dave | yeah I am going to try to compile kernel modules today~_~ |
| 15:44.44 | Dave | since there is no support for usb wifi or usb camera |
| 15:44.46 | Dave | :| |
| 15:44.48 | Chox | so hard! |
| 15:45.03 | Dave | even though they are natively supported in 2.6.24 |
| 15:46.10 | troy|work | tell me what you think might be the problem with the following steps I took to compile a kernel: |
| 15:46.17 | troy|work | git clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git linux-2.6 |
| 15:46.23 | troy|work | cd linux-2.6 |
| 15:46.29 | troy|work | git checkout origin/stable |
| 15:46.34 | Dave | heh |
| 15:46.36 | troy|work | cp defconfig-gta02 .config |
| 15:46.41 | troy|work | ./build |
| 15:46.54 | Dave | ./fail |
| 15:46.58 | troy|work | lol |
| 15:46.59 | troy|work | yes |
| 15:47.00 | troy|work | indeed |
| 15:47.01 | Dave | :D |
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| 15:47.10 | troy|work | do you know where my mistake is? |
| 15:47.20 | Dave | :o |
| 15:48.58 | Chox | make menuconfig ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=..../arm-unknown-elf- |
| 15:49.09 | Chox | or summink. |
| 15:50.07 | Dave | gah |
| 15:50.59 | kd8ikt | oh man i'm beat |
| 15:51.29 | Dave | haha, damn right |
| 15:51.48 | Dave | across the room I thought that read, you were a boat... |
| 15:52.07 | kd8ikt | i need to make a firmware backup |
| 15:52.17 | kd8ikt | i put to much love into my setup |
| 15:52.23 | kd8ikt | its got to be just right |
| 15:52.30 | Chox | I wuv it! |
| 15:52.46 | Dave | :D |
| 15:52.50 | Dave | Can you hit it? |
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| 15:56.03 | Gnutoo | hello,does anyone knows well open embedded? |
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| 15:59.48 | Dave | boot it baby! |
| 16:01.11 | khorben | Gnutoo: you can check http://www.openembedded.org/ |
| 16:03.00 | Gnutoo | khorben, it's because i made a bb file with inherit scons inside and it doesn't find libsdl |
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| 16:05.56 | FreoNeo | if I want to install ASU on my SD, what type of partitions should i have? |
| 16:06.26 | FreoNeo | is it the same as om2007.2? |
| 16:06.59 | Chox | question of the hour. |
| 16:07.02 | Dave | haha |
| 16:07.14 | Dave | FreoNeo, that might be a good idea. |
| 16:07.16 | Dave | ;p |
| 16:08.38 | FreoNeo | have a lot of people been asking that/ |
| 16:08.56 | Guilt | now i'm going to find out what breaks/works in the next couple of days |
| 16:08.57 | Guilt | :-/ |
| 16:09.07 | Guilt | that's okay as long as i don't have to solder anything |
| 16:09.24 | Guilt | some people have problems with their GPS thingies |
| 16:10.12 | Dave | antennas? |
| 16:10.13 | Dave | :p |
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| 16:11.20 | Chox | mooh. |
| 16:11.59 | Guilt | Dave: no. inside the board. :-) |
| 16:12.23 | Guilt | yeah. probably those antennas are internal |
| 16:12.27 | Guilt | not sure what's wrong |
| 16:12.51 | Guilt | yeah, right. the antennas |
| 16:12.57 | Dave | Yes |
| 16:12.57 | Guilt | Dave: what's the probability like? |
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| 16:13.01 | Dave | It's well documented. |
| 16:13.05 | Dave | Check it out. |
| 16:13.11 | Guilt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP |
| 16:13.19 | Guilt | yeah. saw that. it voids the warranty too ;p |
| 16:14.02 | mmontour | FreoNeo: If you are using the most recent u-boot and kernel then you should be able to SD-boot from a single partition of either ext2 or ext3 |
| 16:14.03 | kdub | is there some way that we can send in the fr back to the manufacturer, and they can do that repair? |
| 16:14.13 | Fossi | i guess i have that problem, but naturally i'm gonna send it in |
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| 16:14.43 | Chox | suggests trying the latest kernel before worrying about hardware fixes |
| 16:14.46 | Guilt | i don't want to meddle with that stuff if its going to void my warranty |
| 16:14.49 | Fossi | at least (one of) the german resellers said they'll fix it themselves or send me a new one |
| 16:15.18 | Fossi | Chox: well, if there's no sd card in the phone, the new kernel prolly won't do any good |
| 16:15.27 | Chox | er. |
| 16:15.36 | Chox | follows not your logic. |
| 16:16.18 | Fossi | i thought it contains the sd card clocking fix |
| 16:16.37 | linuksamiko | hello everyone, I have a few useability questions concerning the freerunner. I'm thinking about buying the freerunner but I still don't know if it's worth the price. On the one hand it looks VERY promissing and it has really cool features but on the other hand I don't know what it's capable of right know, how stable it is and how the development is comming |
| 16:16.41 | Chox | yes, but I fail to see your point |
| 16:16.53 | Chox | for me, with the SD card in and the new kernel, it seems ok |
| 16:16.53 | dlowe | linuksamiko: if you're not planning to hack on it, don't bother |
| 16:17.12 | wurp2|awayish | Does anyone know glib, and preferably dbus-glib as well? |
| 16:17.19 | retracile | linuksamiko: It has a lot of promise. But it's 99% promise, software wise, right now. |
| 16:17.25 | Chox | it's a library, about yay tall. |
| 16:17.31 | FreoNeo | mmontour, so I just stick the rootfs and uImage.bin in one partition? |
| 16:17.32 | linuksamiko | dlowe: are you more talking about hacking == programming or hacking == console hacking |
| 16:17.36 | wurp2|awayish | I'm sure all gui calls must happen in the glib thread (button handling, etc) |
| 16:17.37 | Fossi | Chox: my gps doesn't work, even without the sd card |
| 16:17.45 | dlowe | linuksamiko: a bit of both at the moment |
| 16:17.47 | Guilt | Dave: ? |
| 16:17.50 | Chox | hacking == hollywood |
| 16:17.51 | pjz | linuksamiko: programming, mostly; the software is far from finished |
| 16:17.54 | wurp2|awayish | And I imagine you're expected to display, pack, etc. in glib thread |
| 16:17.56 | mmontour | Yes, then edit the menu item in u-boot to match your configuration |
| 16:18.04 | Guilt | what is the antenna loose probability like? |
| 16:18.14 | Dave | What what? |
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| 16:18.16 | wurp2|awayish | Does all dbus message handling happen in the glib thread when using dbus-glib? |
| 16:18.22 | Dave | loss probability? |
| 16:18.26 | Guilt | no |
| 16:18.28 | Guilt | the loose |
| 16:18.31 | SpeedEvil | Guilt: that's the only reported problem that would cause no signal even with no SD card |
| 16:18.35 | dejones | hello, should "opkg upgrade" keep upgrading the same packages if I run it multiple times??? |
| 16:18.40 | SpeedEvil | Guilt: you might try simply reseating the GPS connector. |
| 16:18.46 | Chox | your ? key is stick |
| 16:18.48 | Guilt | SpeedEvil: without soldering? |
| 16:18.50 | Chox | er, stuck |
| 16:18.51 | linuksamiko | dlowe: Console is not such a big deal but I don't want to program on it, I want to use it (there are some features I'm really looking forward to) |
| 16:18.54 | SpeedEvil | Guilt: yes |
| 16:19.04 | dlowe | linuksamiko: I'm afraid you'll have to wait then |
| 16:19.07 | SpeedEvil | Guilt: not very likely to help, but easy to do. |
| 16:19.07 | Chox | upgradr dropbear first |
| 16:19.11 | Guilt | so i just open it, tweeze and seat it. right? |
| 16:19.25 | SpeedEvil | Guilt: yes - though check it's malformed first |
| 16:19.38 | Guilt | you mean if it's wider than usual? |
| 16:19.42 | linuksamiko | dlowe: what time span are you talking about (I don't want to wait another year) |
| 16:19.56 | Guilt | like it doesnt seat the antenna properly |
| 16:19.59 | SpeedEvil | Guilt: I mean only if it's bent wrongly alter it |
| 16:20.04 | Pjj | is there any charget available for a car? |
| 16:20.07 | dlowe | linuksamiko: I wish I knew |
| 16:20.11 | Guilt | SpeedEvil: which part? |
| 16:20.12 | SpeedEvil | Pjj: no |
| 16:20.22 | dejones | Hello, should "opkg upgrade" keep upgrading the same packages if I run it multiple times? It makes me think that the packages are not actually being installed... |
| 16:20.25 | SpeedEvil | Guilt: the inener bits of the GPS antenna connector - as observed on the wiki |
| 16:20.34 | Guilt | oh |
| 16:20.34 | Fossi | Guilt: why do you even discuss this if you don't have a phone yet? :D |
| 16:20.36 | SpeedEvil | Pjj: any 'car charger' will work |
| 16:20.56 | Chox | dejones: keep up. |
| 16:20.58 | Pjj | ok |
| 16:21.02 | Chox | install dropbear first |
| 16:21.07 | SpeedEvil | Guilt: most phones seem to have reasonable to OK performance with the fixes. |
| 16:21.11 | Chox | opkg install dropbear & |
| 16:21.35 | dejones | Chox: You didn't put my nick last time, so how am I supposed to know you are responding to me? |
| 16:21.37 | Guilt | SpeedEvil: but none of them work OK out of the box? |
| 16:21.53 | Chox | aw. |
| 16:21.53 | dejones | Chox: I'll try upgrading dropbear first. |
| 16:21.54 | Chox | :p |
| 16:22.02 | Fossi | SpeedEvil: i heard you are the guy to talk to about hardware problems. can i pm you with a question? |
| 16:22.05 | SpeedEvil | Guilt: with the software fix, they should. |
| 16:22.22 | SpeedEvil | You can, but I don't know if I can help. |
| 16:22.29 | Guilt | hm? how can software fix a non-connected pair of circuits |
| 16:22.47 | dejones | Chox: should "opkg upgrade" respond that all packages are up to date if I run it again? |
| 16:22.48 | SpeedEvil | Guilt: the antenna problem is not in fact the cause in most cases. |
| 16:22.55 | Guilt | SpeedEvil: hmm? |
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| 16:24.46 | Guilt | SpeedEvil: but it's a problem, isn't it? |
| 16:25.01 | Guilt | i mean. with the software fix and antenna fix, things should work 'great' ;) |
| 16:25.03 | SpeedEvil | For what now seems to be a very small number of people. |
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| 16:25.42 | Guilt | SpeedEvil: i'm asking only one question though. if a hunred people bought a phone, how many people would have FRs with faulty antennas |
| 16:25.53 | SpeedEvil | 843. |
| 16:26.07 | Chox | all of them, if they were all faulty. |
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| 16:26.13 | CVirus | LOL @ SpeedEvil |
| 16:26.40 | Guilt | Chox: eh? |
| 16:26.45 | Guilt | it's FIC's fault. |
| 16:26.47 | Guilt | :-p |
| 16:26.54 | Chox | whoosh! |
| 16:27.07 | kd8ikt | 's antenna works just fine |
| 16:27.13 | Guilt | screams 'get them!' |
| 16:27.22 | Guilt | kd8ikt: without any sort of adjustment? |
| 16:27.36 | kd8ikt | yup |
| 16:28.04 | Guilt | did you have to fix the software? |
| 16:28.06 | peepsalot | any user friendly(gui) apps that allow connection to encrypted wifi yet? |
| 16:28.15 | Guilt | man. this is just a dumb thing. |
| 16:28.20 | kd8ikt | wpa_supplicant |
| 16:28.24 | dlowe | I can't even connect to WPA wifi on the command line :/ |
| 16:28.37 | Guilt | peepsalot: hey. |
| 16:28.37 | kd8ikt | heh then you my friend suck |
| 16:28.44 | Guilt | wpa_supplicant has a GUI? |
| 16:29.06 | Guilt | i thought u simply had to put keys in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf or so |
| 16:29.20 | Guilt | but true. a GUI is much easier. :-) |
| 16:29.28 | Guilt | probably we should also have a OpenVPN/vpnc GUI |
| 16:29.39 | dlowe | kd8ikt: got thrown out of summer school again? |
| 16:29.39 | Guilt | that helps connect to office |
| 16:29.45 | kd8ikt | if you set it up before hand / useing scripts you'd not need to ever fuck with it |
| 16:29.58 | Guilt | kd8ikt: that's not it. |
| 16:30.13 | Guilt | if i wanted to connect to a new network with WPA i shouldnt require SSHing/whatever |
| 16:30.22 | Guilt | ;p |
| 16:30.33 | dlowe | what part of developer phone do people not understand here |
| 16:30.38 | Guilt | you know. if you wanted to use it as a phone |
| 16:30.39 | kd8ikt | yes it is, if you cant even do a few things over ssh then what good are you to the community except a leech |
| 16:30.56 | Guilt | dlowe: but why cant developers just keep a big ugly bawx then? :-) |
| 16:31.02 | Guilt | i mean. it can be functional AND beautiful |
| 16:31.19 | peepsalot | kd8ikt, so if i go to a friends place, and he says oh the password is xxxx, just connect to the wifi. then I say, hold on, let me hook up this usb cable first, ssh into my phone, so i can edit some config files etc. then I can use your stupid wifi? |
| 16:31.34 | Guilt | kd8ikt: why cant a simple pyGTK application make these WPA keys possible? |
| 16:31.45 | Guilt | peepsalot: exactly my point. |
| 16:31.46 | dlowe | Guilt: yes, if you go ahead and write it |
| 16:31.50 | kd8ikt | get a windows mobile phone if you dont like it |
| 16:32.05 | Guilt | shit kd8ikt: that's a wrong attitude |
| 16:32.15 | Guilt | it should be simple and no simpler :-) |
| 16:32.20 | Chox | readies a does of stfu. |
| 16:32.24 | Guilt | i'm not asking for everything. |
| 16:32.26 | kd8ikt | thats abvoiusly what your looking for |
| 16:32.33 | Guilt | it's like asking for GPS coordinates in numbers |
| 16:32.43 | dlowe | I think people are tired of hearing how it "should" do this and "why doesn't it do that" without making it do it themselves |
| 16:32.48 | Guilt | like 75N08'12'' |
| 16:32.58 | kd8ikt | hey watch this your gonna love it |
| 16:33.02 | Chox | you're |
| 16:33.12 | Guilt | that's not even right. nobody can make sense from a couple of coords :-) |
| 16:33.20 | kd8ikt | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
| 16:33.23 | kd8ikt | ok |
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| 16:33.33 | Guilt | if you thought a dev phone was supposed to simply spit out hex digits at you, you're mistaken, my friend ;) |
| 16:33.33 | kd8ikt | now wait for it |
| 16:33.51 | kd8ikt | are you at that site? |
| 16:34.01 | Guilt | yah. opening |
| 16:35.08 | kd8ikt | ok now refresh |
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| 16:35.55 | Guilt | kd8ikt: i don't get it |
| 16:35.59 | Chox | sigh |
| 16:36.03 | Guilt | what is it you want me to check? |
| 16:36.19 | Guilt | it's probably in german and i won't get it |
| 16:36.54 | Chox | someone needs to give troll boy a kick. |
| 16:37.19 | Guilt | who kd8ikt? |
| 16:37.33 | kd8ikt | are you sure refreh it again |
| 16:37.55 | Guilt | kd8ikt: what exactly do you want me to look at? |
| 16:37.57 | kd8ikt | if not wait a tick |
| 16:38.15 | Guilt | look. my connection sucks. i'm not going to reload a whole bunch of images again |
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| 16:38.48 | Chox | Guilt: class A asshole, you are. |
| 16:39.03 | Guilt | Chox: now why would you say that? |
| 16:39.09 | Chox | heh. |
| 16:39.13 | kd8ikt | ok refresh |
| 16:39.14 | Chox | should be obvious at this point. |
| 16:39.14 | Guilt | @kd8ikt: oh. btw. do you know sudarsh? :-) |
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| 16:39.24 | Guilt | Chox: no, not really. you don't even make sense. |
| 16:39.29 | Fossi | i guess that's his impression |
| 16:39.45 | Chox | You've done nothing but bitch since joining the channel. |
| 16:40.00 | kd8ikt | rfefresh again |
| 16:40.03 | Chox | That you don't understand why doesn't make it any less true. |
| 16:40.16 | Guilt | Okay. what have you done anyway? bitch about me bitching? ;p |
| 16:40.36 | Guilt | kd8ikt: look. i know about openmoko. I was talking to peepsalot about wpa |
| 16:40.37 | Guilt | ;p |
| 16:40.50 | dejones | Any reports on how many Freerunners were sold? |
| 16:41.13 | kd8ikt | did you refresh it? there should be like 3 pics i sent |
| 16:41.32 | Chox | dejones: you can guess from the order numbers. somewhere in the 5-10k range, I'd say. |
| 16:41.41 | dejones | Nice |
| 16:41.42 | dejones | :) |
| 16:41.44 | Chox | more like 5K |
| 16:41.50 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4553 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/user.c: |
| 16:41.50 | CIA-46 | openmoko: opkg: Fix a bug that ap may undefined. |
| 16:41.50 | CIA-46 | openmoko: by Alexandros Kostopoulos <akostop@inaccessnetworks.com> |
| 16:41.57 | kd8ikt | assuming they started at zero |
| 16:41.59 | Chox | depends how you many guess were shipped to India and Europe |
| 16:42.08 | Chox | kdub: don't think they did. |
| 16:42.14 | CVirus | is there a brainfuck compiler for OM ? |
| 16:42.16 | CVirus | :-p |
| 16:43.00 | Fossi | is there a brainfuck compiler? |
| 16:43.07 | Guilt | CVirus: if you want an interpreter, check http://guilt.bafsoft.net/downloads/wip/Brainfuck/ |
| 16:43.08 | Fossi | is there a brainfuck programm? |
| 16:43.12 | peepsalot | kd8ikt, what package is that? |
| 16:43.28 | Guilt | Fossi: ^^ i've got a x86 specific compiler, unfortunately. :( |
| 16:43.39 | kd8ikt | its not in a package |
| 16:43.49 | kd8ikt | and its also not finished yet |
| 16:43.55 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 16:44.03 | peepsalot | kd8ikt, you developing it? |
| 16:44.08 | kd8ikt | no |
| 16:44.40 | peepsalot | where did it come from then? |
| 16:44.43 | kd8ikt | well i have the source so i guess i could but i was told not to release it cause its not functional... yet |
| 16:45.03 | kd8ikt | patience |
| 16:45.16 | peepsalot | i see |
| 16:45.17 | Chox | release early, often :o |
| 16:45.28 | kd8ikt | its just a lil front end to wpa_supplicant |
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| 16:46.32 | kd8ikt | http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/ |
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| 16:48.40 | retracile | kd8ikt: are those your screenshots? |
| 16:48.53 | retracile | ... what provides the keyboard icon in the top bar? |
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| 16:49.32 | kd8ikt | no |
| 16:49.53 | retracile | oh well |
| 16:50.09 | kd8ikt | probably an external keyboard? |
| 16:50.22 | kd8ikt | dunno why anyone would use such a thing |
| 16:50.32 | retracile | does |
| 16:50.33 | Guilt | i can probably make one for Arm. :-) if anyone's interested |
| 16:50.37 | kd8ikt | ssh & export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 16:50.54 | Guilt | kd8ikt: you'll be better trying to run the bf program interpreted than compiled |
| 16:51.04 | kd8ikt | bf? |
| 16:51.20 | Guilt | i meant CVirus |
| 16:51.23 | Guilt | kd8ikt: Yes. |
| 16:51.41 | CVirus | kd8ikt: Brainfuck |
| 16:51.45 | Guilt | that code is portable C. so it should work. |
| 16:51.46 | kd8ikt | would opt for compiled anyday |
| 16:51.57 | Chox | heh, "portable C". |
| 16:52.00 | Chox | no such thing. |
| 16:52.10 | Guilt | Chox: standard C is portable. |
| 16:52.19 | Guilt | well. you bitch a bit yourself ;p |
| 16:52.27 | Guilt | kd8kit: brainfuck programs arent usually optimized much, |
| 16:52.32 | Chox | So you might think. It's not true, however. |
| 16:52.34 | Guilt | probably LLVM does that though. |
| 16:52.36 | kd8ikt | but non compiled programming is quicker to make/debug/mod |
| 16:52.41 | Guilt | Chox: go f yourself |
| 16:52.45 | Chox | I will. |
| 16:52.49 | Guilt | cool. |
| 16:52.50 | Chox | but I'm still right |
| 16:52.53 | Guilt | cool. |
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| 16:53.24 | Guilt | kd8ikt: think about how it would be to debug brainfuck programs with gdb? |
| 16:53.32 | Chox | C doesn't define structure packing well, nor whether chars are signed or unsigned by default. Both those differ between x86 and ARM. portable? No. |
| 16:53.48 | Guilt | probably like: line 8: ++++[[>+<] blah |
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| 16:54.10 | Guilt | i dont think gdb allows more than that in stabs, i may be wrong |
| 16:54.42 | Guilt | Chox: char are 8 bits everywhere. |
| 16:54.52 | Chox | no, they aren't. But that isn't what I said. |
| 16:55.01 | Guilt | and an array of chars is contiguous, and if you're not using structs you don't need to bother. |
| 16:55.09 | Chox | oh dear, you don't know diddly. |
| 16:55.19 | Chox | dances on your ignorance. |
| 16:55.20 | Guilt | and read the C99 standard. if you own a copy. :-) |
| 16:55.45 | Chox | ah, we're C99 now, not "portable C". C99 is better, but those things still apply. |
| 16:56.01 | Guilt | read C89 then :-) |
| 16:56.04 | kd8ikt | who the fuck would write in such a shity language? |
| 16:56.07 | Chox | no thanks :o |
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| 16:56.15 | Chox | kd8ikt: suckers like me. |
| 16:56.35 | kd8ikt | spend most of yout time typing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |
| 16:56.41 | Chox | oh that. not me. |
| 16:56.51 | Chox | like lisp, but worse |
| 16:57.08 | kd8ikt | that wifi script is in python |
| 16:57.11 | kd8ikt | +gtk |
| 16:57.15 | nuclear_eclipse | likes Python |
| 16:57.15 | Chox | pats. |
| 16:57.24 | kd8ikt | nasa uses it! |
| 16:57.27 | Chox | doesn't speak Python, for shame |
| 16:58.37 | kd8ikt | they use linux on the machines in there super computer cluster named "columbia"http://www.nas.nasa.gov/About/Projects/Columbia/columbia.html |
| 16:58.46 | kd8ikt | their* |
| 16:59.07 | kelvie_work | most supercomputers would run linux, I'd assume |
| 16:59.32 | peepsalot | python is a pretty cool language from what i've seen, i'm not even close to being fluent in it though. haven't taken the time to really learn it yet |
| 16:59.51 | Chox | agrees that C is shitty language sometimes, howeve.r |
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| 17:00.02 | nuclear_eclipse | kelvie_work: well, most run some form of Unix |
| 17:00.31 | Chox | often Linux, but I suspect it's not the majority |
| 17:00.41 | kd8ikt | i bet its self aware |
| 17:00.54 | kd8ikt | like wall-e |
| 17:01.23 | kelvie_work | python doesn't take that much time to learn |
| 17:01.28 | kelvie_work | as should most languages if you're familiar with a couple |
| 17:01.35 | kd8ikt | wall-e is a great drinking game movie, just drink whenever you hear the name wall-e |
| 17:01.36 | Chox | but perl takes forever to read. |
| 17:01.38 | kelvie_work | but python has a lower curve |
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| 17:02.33 | peepsalot | yeah i just haven't had any really good ideas of python programs to write or hack on, as practice |
| 17:02.52 | peepsalot | actually i had one idea, but i think it was too ambitious, so i got discouraged |
| 17:03.18 | nuclear_eclipse | anyone able to point me at something on wiki on how to build a .ipk with pre-compiled binaries/fakeroot? |
| 17:03.23 | Chox | my work project is all written in bash; was originally Python. I pressed for it to be changed due to size concerns on our embedded devices. That may or may not have been a good idea. |
| 17:03.29 | kd8ikt | have you played with the leds.py ? http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/leds.py |
| 17:03.44 | kd8ikt | i had no idea my power button had those colors |
| 17:03.45 | SpeedEvil | awk is good for that. |
| 17:03.49 | SpeedEvil | Nice and small. |
| 17:03.54 | SpeedEvil | Reasonably powerful. |
| 17:04.44 | Guilt | well. if anybody is talking about speed, compiled brainfuck faster than interpreted brainfuck faster than interpreted (perl/blah) interpreted brainfuck |
| 17:04.49 | kd8ikt | orange blue purple |
| 17:05.23 | kd8ikt | yeah but you wont catch my ass coding in that crazy lang |
| 17:05.39 | kd8ikt | just peeping at the wiki page i cringed |
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| 17:06.05 | kd8ikt | i kinda wanted to just sign in and delete that page |
| 17:06.24 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 17:06.40 | GoldenHawk | I'm having trouble changing my u-boot environment. Is this normal? GTA02v5 # saveenv Saving Environment to NAND... Erasing Nand...GTA02v5 # (back to the prompt) |
| 17:06.56 | kd8ikt | we need a kick bot in here for anyone who mentions iphone and most recently brainfart |
| 17:06.56 | GoldenHawk | Now newline after erasing nand |
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| 17:07.08 | Chox | iphonefart. |
| 17:07.45 | kd8ikt | you "nand erase"'d? |
| 17:07.47 | Guilt | kd8ikt: you don't need to. the interpreter is already written in C for you. |
| 17:08.00 | Guilt | you probably need to only compile it with the cross compiler, put it and run it |
| 17:08.09 | kd8ikt | oh shit that doesnt sound good you like... need nand u-boot |
| 17:08.37 | kd8ikt | sell it elsewhere Guilt i dont care for it like i said |
| 17:08.57 | Guilt | i was initially talking to CVirus |
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| 17:09.04 | Guilt | and then people came in |
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| 17:09.09 | GoldenHawk | No, kd8ikt, I did'nt do nand erase.. I did saveenv |
| 17:09.12 | GoldenHawk | And that's the output I got. |
| 17:09.16 | GoldenHawk | Was I supposed to do nand erase? |
| 17:09.22 | kd8ikt | NO |
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| 17:09.45 | kd8ikt | nand erase kernel or nand erase rootfs but never nand erase |
| 17:10.03 | GoldenHawk | kd8bit: Relax, I wasn't going to take your word for it even if you said so :p |
| 17:10.08 | Guilt | btw. if anyone wants to run LostKng.b, go ahead. |
| 17:10.23 | kd8ikt | but yeah no error codes/output is ussually a good thing and means it worked whatever you did |
| 17:10.48 | GoldenHawk | kd8ikt: Well it doesn't seem to actually save :/ And there's a disturbing lack of a newline after 'erasing nand' |
| 17:10.53 | Guilt | http://jonripley.com/i-fiction/games/LostKingdomBF.html |
| 17:11.20 | GoldenHawk | I reboot and my new entry is gone. |
| 17:11.20 | Guilt | it's a nice game if anybody likes adventure games :-) |
| 17:11.20 | Guilt | text adventure ;) |
| 17:11.20 | kd8ikt | you erased nand!?!?! |
| 17:11.20 | kd8ikt | OMFG |
| 17:11.27 | kd8ikt | hope you dont fuckup nor aswell |
| 17:11.36 | GoldenHawk | Jesus. |
| 17:11.37 | SpeedEvil | you can't. |
| 17:11.40 | CVirus | ROFL |
| 17:11.42 | SpeedEvil | Not without the debug board. |
| 17:11.53 | kd8ikt | whew |
| 17:12.06 | kd8ikt | good thinking FIC |
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| 17:12.50 | kd8ikt | though that is weird i'm sure they arent really the 1st international computer company |
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| 17:13.06 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 17:13.07 | GoldenHawk | Okay perhaps I should clarify a bit. setenv x=y; savenev; loadenv <-- This erases x=y |
| 17:13.09 | GoldenHawk | Goes back to default |
| 17:13.17 | GoldenHawk | I can't seem to do anything to get it to save the environment. |
| 17:13.24 | nuclear_eclipse | GoldenHawk: savenev? |
| 17:13.27 | nuclear_eclipse | check spelling |
| 17:13.37 | GoldenHawk | Typo on IRC only |
| 17:13.40 | Chox | heh |
| 17:13.40 | nuclear_eclipse | ok |
| 17:14.33 | GoldenHawk | ! Strange. |
| 17:14.39 | GoldenHawk | Now it just started working all of the sudden. |
| 17:14.55 | kd8ikt | Wow, what perfect grammar you have. |
| 17:14.55 | GoldenHawk | Same session and everything. |
| 17:15.21 | GoldenHawk | That's a sentance fragment, kd8ikt |
| 17:15.42 | GoldenHawk | Hm or not :p |
| 17:15.47 | GoldenHawk | Anyway, thanks for all the help :p |
| 17:16.07 | kd8ikt | ... |
| 17:16.17 | kd8ikt | most interesting |
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| 17:24.12 | AntonTakk | any of you familiar with phone-kit problems? |
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| 17:42.07 | *** topic/#openmoko by TAsn -> Openmoko | Freerunner stock: 850's are in stock. | Official Updates: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. | Community dev #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
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| 17:45.23 | kd8ikt | w00t more phones! |
| 17:45.56 | igor321 | where? |
| 17:46.04 | kelvie_work | hmm I wonder if Koolu has any left |
| 17:46.25 | kd8ikt | beware its unstable, meaning if bombarded with high speed electrons it could cause a "nucular" explosion, or chernobyl effect |
| 17:46.42 | kelvie_work | but if I get an FR.. my other open source project will get neglected :( |
| 17:46.49 | kd8ikt | or cause you to not be able to father normal children |
| 17:47.12 | igor321 | normal childer are boring |
| 17:47.14 | kd8ikt | what other project kelvie_work |
| 17:47.57 | kelvie_work | http://basket.kde.org/ |
| 17:49.03 | kd8ikt | and dont you think your efforts would be better placed on helping shape the future of cellular/embeded computer phones/device with the first company to gamble on a company using the opensource model? |
| 17:49.32 | kd8ikt | er i said company too many times |
| 17:49.48 | kd8ikt | but you get the jist |
| 17:50.03 | kelvie | hehe.. right now that project has a bus factor of 1 or 2 :p |
| 17:50.10 | kelvie | so I'm not abandoning it for anything |
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| 17:53.16 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:54.08 | retracile | kd8ikt: google it |
| 17:54.10 | kelvie_work | kd8ikt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor |
| 17:54.20 | kelvie_work | always wikipedia first, then google :p |
| 17:54.31 | pjz | kd8ikt: bus factor: number of people who have to get hit by a bus for a project to die |
| 17:54.59 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 17:55.19 | kd8ikt | but whats the project |
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| 17:55.52 | ernsta | http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=EBRJx-4Qjw4 |
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| 17:56.20 | kd8ikt | heh |
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| 17:57.32 | peepsalot | wow, so if you shake the phone around and upside down, the clock changes to 21:61 !? |
| 17:57.42 | peepsalot | :-P |
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| 17:58.02 | retracile | hopes that's 15 minutes past 7... |
| 17:58.24 | retracile | er... 12 minutes I mean. |
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| 17:59.08 | igor321 | does anyone know how's gta03 coming along? |
| 17:59.18 | peepsalot | ernsta, what's the point of that vid? |
| 18:00.23 | kd8ikt | heh thats a toilet sound isnt it |
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| 18:01.59 | peepsalot | oh, i didn't have my sound on, lol |
| 18:03.18 | ernsta | Germany |
| 18:03.38 | kd8ikt | igor321: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=GTA03&go=Go |
| 18:03.41 | ernsta | yes toilette |
| 18:04.40 | kd8ikt | Eau de Toilette |
| 18:04.52 | ernsta | Eau de Moko |
| 18:05.11 | ernsta | Makes you fresh in your Mind ;) |
| 18:05.17 | kd8ikt | what? i'm gonna put some smelly stuff on my face that has toilet in the name/definition? |
| 18:05.20 | mjr | igor321, yeaah don't wait up for gta03 |
| 18:05.23 | ernsta | a Handy without shit |
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| 18:05.47 | kd8ikt | yeah /me isnt suprised if it takes 2-3 yrs |
| 18:05.54 | igor321 | mjr: i waiting for 02, just curious about gta03 |
| 18:05.58 | mjr | kd8ikt, well that's a bit pessimistic though |
| 18:05.59 | igor321 | *i'm |
| 18:06.13 | mjr | I'm pretty confident about it coming out during next year |
| 18:06.17 | igor321 | it just a different case, camera & modem |
| 18:06.18 | kd8ikt | even if it came out like next year there will be newer tech and people will be crying for it |
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| 18:06.28 | igor321 | it'll be available by christmas |
| 18:06.39 | mjr | because of what igor321 said, it's not _that_ different |
| 18:06.41 | nuclear_eclipse | igor321: *might* be |
| 18:07.36 | nuclear_eclipse | it's only the community members themselves that have painted a due date of december; there hasn't been any official confirmation on any planned target date at all |
| 18:07.37 | igor321 | i've heard some positive reports of it being not ugly |
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| 18:08.20 | igor321 | well joerg said they're not gonna fuck around with this one, there will not be as many hw revisions |
| 18:08.23 | retracile | igor321: camera? Got a link handy? |
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| 18:08.42 | igor321 | retractile: it's been said on the ML & here, no link sorry |
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| 18:09.25 | nuclear_eclipse | igor321: that still doesn't mean anything; they also want to rip out the glamo for gta03, and you can't honestly tell me they'll get all that done, tested, and produced in only 4 monthes... |
| 18:09.44 | peepsalot | whole different case? |
| 18:10.05 | igor321 | nuclear_eclipse: it is possible... :) |
| 18:10.13 | igor321 | peepsalot: yeah |
| 18:10.30 | nuclear_eclipse | thinks igor321 has been drinking too much koolaid... :P |
| 18:10.49 | kd8ikt | not to mention the software need to mature |
| 18:11.16 | igor321 | well as soon as the peeps get their gta03's i think the software will mature pretty fast |
| 18:11.25 | igor321 | gta02's, sorry |
| 18:11.48 | peepsalot | they pretty much all have them by now, don't they |
| 18:12.26 | igor321 | well i don't |
| 18:12.35 | igor321 | and i ordered like three weeks ago |
| 18:12.44 | igor321 | i think there are others like me, no? |
| 18:12.55 | peepsalot | dang |
| 18:13.07 | nuclear_eclipse | igor321: I think the large majority of people who ordered got theirs in the first wave of shipments |
| 18:13.19 | peepsalot | did you order from openmoko online store? and did you get a confirmation email? |
| 18:13.27 | igor321 | i ordered from pulser |
| 18:13.33 | igor321 | and got the automatic thing |
| 18:13.35 | peepsalot | i had to order mine twice because of the weird cc denial |
| 18:13.57 | kd8ikt | i'm glad i got ahold of a local group sale and they only needed one more person not to mention they had just already ordered anyway |
| 18:14.13 | kd8ikt | i waited like 2 weeks |
| 18:14.15 | igor321 | oh that was fortunate |
| 18:14.45 | kd8ikt | 370$ |
| 18:15.08 | kd8ikt | cheaper but def a lot of monies |
| 18:15.14 | igor321 | i'll prolly get mine from the 15.8. euro-shipment |
| 18:15.28 | igor321 | so yeah, it's not as easily available as you would think :) |
| 18:16.08 | kd8ikt | i need to take that 3-40 bucks i saved and get me a 8GB microSDHC |
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| 18:16.40 | kd8ikt | save all those GPS maps link my home dir to it etc |
| 18:16.53 | peepsalot | kd8ikt, there is a really good deal on amazon for 8gb microsd. comes with a handy usb reader |
| 18:17.05 | kd8ikt | ah nice |
| 18:17.09 | AntonTakk | any of you had a problem where phonekit becomes defunct and trying to run it from a terminal causes it to complain about libecal and crash? |
| 18:17.17 | nuclear_eclipse | peepsalot: link? |
| 18:17.18 | kd8ikt | i think i'm a bit over budget right now though |
| 18:18.10 | peepsalot | nuclear_eclipse, kd8ikt http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-MicroSDHC-Memory-MobileMate-Package/dp/B000WPDKRI/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1216837049&sr=8-2 |
| 18:18.21 | nuclear_eclipse | ty |
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| 18:19.29 | peepsalot | hopefully mine arrives today |
| 18:19.40 | Ainulindale | w 12 |
| 18:19.43 | Ainulindale | Woops sorry |
| 18:19.51 | kd8ikt | now that i think about it 4GB would be more then enough for me and a heck of a lot cheaper |
| 18:20.10 | AntonTakk | 36 bucks isn't that much thou |
| 18:20.25 | kd8ikt | neither is 10-15 for half the storage |
| 18:20.33 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 18:20.35 | AntonTakk | :) |
| 18:20.36 | retracile | kd8ikt: there is also a class 6 4GB, not that the FR can necessarily take advantage of the speed. |
| 18:20.37 | AntonTakk | true |
| 18:21.03 | kd8ikt | goes for the cheapest nomatter what |
| 18:21.21 | kd8ikt | hence how i got my moko for 370$ |
| 18:22.05 | igor321 | http://cgi.ebay.com/OpenMoko-FreeRunner-cell-phone_W0QQitemZ220260639722QQihZ012QQcategoryZ20336QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 18:22.15 | mjr | retracile, yeah, it'd be interesting to see c4 vs c6 numbers but I wouldn't expect much difference |
| 18:22.29 | AntonTakk | i would never buy electronics from ebay |
| 18:22.34 | Chox | $564! |
| 18:22.40 | kd8ikt | hehzero bids lol |
| 18:22.49 | igor321 | yeah kinda expensive... |
| 18:22.50 | kd8ikt | sorry dude your stuck with it! |
| 18:22.54 | Chox | you're :p |
| 18:23.13 | kd8ikt | not to mention 20$ shipping |
| 18:23.17 | Chox | I got the change from group buy, so it cost me about $380 inc tax and shipping in the end |
| 18:23.36 | mmontour | "With debug board and spares pack" on that ebay item |
| 18:23.41 | Chox | ah yes |
| 18:23.45 | Chox | debug board is $100 |
| 18:23.54 | Chox | how much spares? |
| 18:23.55 | kd8ikt | oh yeah i didnt see that in the items |
| 18:23.59 | retracile | mjr: I'm planning on getting the C6. |
| 18:24.01 | nuclear_eclipse | Chox: $50 |
| 18:24.04 | Chox | hm. |
| 18:24.12 | Chox | understandable then. still. |
| 18:24.14 | Chox | it's "used" |
| 18:24.14 | nuclear_eclipse | it's basically retail + $14 |
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| 18:24.20 | nuclear_eclipse | right |
| 18:24.30 | kd8ikt | i want a lanyard |
| 18:24.54 | kd8ikt | i made my own out of some utility string.rope |
| 18:24.59 | Chox | it's not a lanyard as such, just connected to the pounch. unless you're talking about a different item. |
| 18:25.27 | kd8ikt | i thought it came with it |
| 18:25.50 | kd8ikt | im afraid to jam it in my pocket |
| 18:26.06 | Chox | pouches came with 10 packs. |
| 18:26.16 | kd8ikt | yeah i got one of those never use it though |
| 18:26.24 | kd8ikt | its kinda lame |
| 18:26.33 | FreoNeo | i don't see libgsmd-tool in the ASU, is there a way I can control the gsm modem via ssh? |
| 18:26.45 | Chox | I do. afraid of scratching |
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| 18:27.36 | kd8ikt | i'm more afraid of real damage to the screen not just a scratch here and there |
| 18:27.51 | Chox | hence the case :p |
| 18:27.54 | kd8ikt | like it needs a front plate protector |
| 18:28.04 | nuclear_eclipse | kd8ikt: get a screen protector, and then make sure you always put the screen inward |
| 18:28.04 | Chox | of those invisible shield things |
| 18:28.13 | kd8ikt | how can i go freerunning with such a fragile device |
| 18:28.46 | kd8ikt | first time i heard of freerunning was urbandead.com |
| 18:28.51 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 18:29.00 | FreoNeo | Chox, do you have invisible shield? I ordered mine a while ago and it hasn't come |
| 18:29.22 | nuclear_eclipse | I got the full body invisibleshield, but between how nice the regular Freerunner body feels, and not wanting to have a completely glossy/slick device, I've only applied the part to the screen itself so far |
| 18:29.43 | kd8ikt | heh i dont use condoms |
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| 18:30.05 | kd8ikt | life is an STD anyway were all infected |
| 18:30.08 | nuclear_eclipse | kd8ikt: it's actually not a 'condom' as you would usually find for phones |
| 18:30.43 | kd8ikt | my dads terrible about phone accessories |
| 18:30.50 | nuclear_eclipse | it's basically a bunch of form-hugging stickers made out of clear, scratch resistant material |
| 18:31.14 | Chox | greenpeace? |
| 18:31.24 | nuclear_eclipse | ?! |
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| 18:31.38 | FreoNeo | nuclear_eclipse, I was thinking that too. I like the feel of the freerunner |
| 18:31.39 | Chox | sounds like Greenpeace members. |
| 18:31.57 | kd8ikt | he's gotta get the leather overskirts etc and his laptop which is like atleast a yr old still has the original manufactures plastic sticky stuff covering it |
| 18:31.57 | nuclear_eclipse | Chox: oh :P |
| 18:32.05 | FreoNeo | anyone know what the ASU equivalent of libgsmd-tool is? |
| 18:32.45 | kd8ikt | like this laptop first thing i did was rip of all the stickers esp the windows vista badge |
| 18:32.52 | kd8ikt | and install linux |
| 18:33.03 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 18:33.22 | Chox | you paid for Vista? sucker :o |
| 18:33.26 | FreoNeo | haha |
| 18:33.34 | kd8ikt | nah but it came free with this craptop |
| 18:33.40 | Chox | "free" |
| 18:33.41 | kd8ikt | 400$ laptop |
| 18:33.44 | FreoNeo | you mean included in the price |
| 18:34.04 | Yashy | Does anyone have/had an issue with their neo that they can not dial out? |
| 18:34.19 | FreoNeo | Yashy, did it register your SIM? |
| 18:34.27 | Yashy | yes, I can receive calls |
| 18:34.30 | Chox | Yashy: why, have you "passed" your other problems? ;o |
| 18:34.40 | nuclear_eclipse | Yashy: the gsm module sometimes does not come back online after suspend |
| 18:34.54 | kd8ikt | aspire 4315 1.7 Ghz cpu 1GB ram atheros wifi card wide 14 or so screen 80GB drive for 400$ |
| 18:35.02 | Yashy | I've not been able to dial out since I got it, even after multiple reboots and opkg upgrade |
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| 18:35.37 | Yashy | nuclear_eclipse: I wouldn't be able to recieve as well if that was my issue? |
| 18:35.37 | FreoNeo | wierd, have you tried a different distro? |
| 18:35.46 | Yashy | not yet |
| 18:35.48 | nuclear_eclipse | Yashy: correct |
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| 18:35.59 | Yashy | nuclear_eclipse: OK, so that is ruled out :) |
| 18:36.07 | Yashy | I tried a second SIM card, same issue |
| 18:36.11 | kd8ikt | loves 2007.2 cant imagine using anything else |
| 18:36.23 | FreoNeo | Yashy, can you hear anything when you receive a call? I had the problem of losing sound after waking up from suspend |
| 18:36.36 | FreoNeo | what i'm saying is maybe it is conneting but you can't hear anything? |
| 18:36.57 | Yashy | Everything is fine when I receive a call |
| 18:37.17 | Yashy | but when I hit dial after entering a telephone number, dialer crashes and sends me back to the application window |
| 18:37.21 | kd8ikt | sometimes my screen will go pure white in suspend (i call it a coma) and the only way to get out is to pull the battery |
| 18:37.46 | FreoNeo | Yashy, maybe you can remove dialer and reinstall it |
| 18:38.19 | Yashy | Is there a list of alternate firmware I can try in the wiki? |
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| 18:38.33 | kd8ikt | yeah search the wiki for distributions |
| 18:38.52 | kd8ikt | gives you a nice lil comparison aswell |
| 18:38.56 | FreoNeo | wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
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| 18:39.07 | FreoNeo | Yashy, qtopia has been pretty stable for me |
| 18:39.13 | FreoNeo | but not as fun |
| 18:39.24 | kd8ikt | omg i tried qtopia this afternoon and hated its guts |
| 18:39.37 | kd8ikt | never flashing that on again |
| 18:39.38 | Chox | omgpwnies! |
| 18:39.46 | FreoNeo | ha, that's a strong reaction |
| 18:39.55 | kd8ikt | binrev |
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| 18:41.11 | lpotter | what did you hate about it? |
| 18:41.18 | kd8ikt | everything |
| 18:41.26 | nuclear_eclipse | hi Lorn |
| 18:41.34 | Yashy | I'll give it a try, thanks for the pointers |
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| 18:44.02 | lpotter | everything. well thats descriptive |
| 18:44.18 | lpotter | you hated that it just worked, and you caould make phone calls and sms |
| 18:44.41 | lpotter | you also hated that the todo list worked, and could read sim contacts |
| 18:44.59 | nuclear_eclipse | lpotter: doesn't everyone hate that? ;) |
| 18:45.00 | lpotter | nuclear_eclipse: hello |
| 18:45.05 | lpotter | ha |
| 18:45.08 | retracile | chuckles |
| 18:45.23 | kd8ikt | 2007 does all that and more better +faster for me lpotter |
| 18:45.57 | nuclear_eclipse | I personally think the Qtopia interface is a bit disorganized/unintuitive, and some of the icons don't really convey the application well enough, but it works :P |
| 18:46.01 | lpotter | how is i more better and faster? |
| 18:46.13 | kd8ikt | end_distro_WAR() |
| 18:46.40 | lpotter | I am genuinely wanting to find out what you dislike about it, so I can help improve it |
| 18:46.47 | kd8ikt | its slow |
| 18:47.00 | kd8ikt | too flashy but then again windows pukes like it |
| 18:47.05 | lpotter | i found it faster than everything else |
| 18:47.20 | lpotter | too flashy? |
| 18:47.29 | kd8ikt | glitz |
| 18:47.35 | lpotter | you like things rough around the edges and not exactly working? |
| 18:47.38 | retracile | too polished? ;) |
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| 18:47.38 | bobkare | kd8ikt: you wouldn't happen to have tried asu? |
| 18:47.45 | kd8ikt | no |
| 18:47.49 | bobkare | that's certainly slow... |
| 18:47.58 | mjr | Second hand info: some finn said qtopia was slow as molasses with an sd card in, but pretty fast without. Haven't tried myself, no idea how that might've turned out. |
| 18:48.08 | kd8ikt | i'll stick to 2007 hopeing it doesnt disolve into fso |
| 18:48.29 | mjr | kd8ikt, how come not? |
| 18:48.38 | FreoNeo | mjr: qtopia is pretty fast for me and i have an SD card in |
| 18:48.48 | kd8ikt | i cant say i like qt |
| 18:48.52 | lpotter | mjr: depends on how many files are on the sd card, I suppose |
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| 18:48.58 | mjr | FreoNeo, *shrug*, just repeating what I was told |
| 18:49.10 | kd8ikt | qt=kde=gay |
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| 18:49.24 | FreoNeo | kd8ikt, not cool man |
| 18:49.30 | kd8ikt | no offense to gay people i'm still trying to break the gay bashing habit |
| 18:49.47 | igor321 | no, not cool to kde |
| 18:49.48 | retracile | lpotter: how many files exist on the sd card, or how many of the system files are on the sd card? |
| 18:49.58 | kd8ikt | kde sucks balls |
| 18:50.01 | mjr | kd8ikt, I mean, I'd like if the shr people managed to, in the first place, get the 2007 apps running on fso backend |
| 18:50.10 | mjr | but wasn't that what you meant? |
| 18:50.18 | FreoNeo | kd8ikt, maybe for you |
| 18:50.20 | nuclear_eclipse | kd8ikt: I think you need to calm down a bit on the hating... |
| 18:50.45 | lpotter | if you are runnign qtopia from sd you probably want to edit ~/Settings/Trolltech/Storage.conf or maybe its at /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf |
| 18:50.47 | kd8ikt | well i'd love to argue but i have a picnic to attend with beer+burgers+brats+mets |
| 18:50.58 | FreoNeo | i installed ASU to my SD card but I can't find the keyboard. Am I dumbass or is it actually missing the keyboard? |
| 18:50.59 | lpotter | and take out the sd card entry |
| 18:51.01 | kd8ikt | dont you know i'm the termihater nuclear_eclipse |
| 18:51.23 | mjr | FreoNeo, again, I _heard_ that at least some version is |
| 18:51.47 | FreoNeo | mjr, haha and I decided to install that very version |
| 18:53.20 | Karrde | I tried Qtopia (not ASU) yesterday but it was so slow with my SD card it was completely unusable. Without the SD card it ran fine. |
| 18:54.10 | mjr | points at Karrde |
| 18:54.13 | mjr | that's the some finn |
| 18:55.06 | lpotter | Karrde: are there a lot of files on the sd? |
| 18:55.09 | Karrde | yup, that's me. |
| 18:55.14 | Chox | suggests noatime |
| 18:55.45 | Karrde | lpotter: probably, at least around 0.5GB of OSM maps for tangogps |
| 18:55.59 | Karrde | so I guess the answer is yes |
| 18:56.10 | torpor | yo |
| 18:56.27 | FreoNeo | yeah, i guess i only have like 50-60mb of stuff on my SD |
| 18:56.34 | lpotter | ahh. ok. |
| 18:56.40 | Chox | yeah, millibits not very big :o |
| 18:57.00 | torpor | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.01 | lpotter | we used to have a way of being able to specify directories not to scan. |
| 18:57.03 | FreoNeo | can i install matchbox keyboard on ASU? |
| 18:57.09 | Chox | If you fill up an SD card, if might potentially struggle with the wear levelling. |
| 18:57.15 | retracile | torpor: you can! |
| 18:57.20 | torpor | how? |
| 18:57.25 | retracile | torpor: tap on the map, there's a menu that comes up |
| 18:57.29 | Chox | tangogps FAQ, ktb |
| 18:57.30 | retracile | torpor: last item on the menu |
| 18:57.35 | Karrde | Chox: well, it still has ~3,5GB free space ;) |
| 18:57.41 | Chox | hm. |
| 18:57.43 | torpor | so i just tell it to download? |
| 18:57.47 | Chox | still, noatime |
| 18:58.15 | torpor | for example right now because i am inside tangogps doesn't have a fix, but it knows my last position, so i want it to download all. |
| 18:58.23 | retracile | torpor: It'll download current zoom level + the number of levels selected in the sub-menu. I'd suggest doing +4 or +5 and not +6, as I've had instability with +6. |
| 18:58.35 | torpor | ok |
| 18:58.49 | torpor | i've just told it to download 400megs of data, no problems. i'll let it finish. |
| 18:58.54 | torpor | and then see if i can zoom. ;) |
| 18:59.14 | torpor | i just wish i could tell tangogps "set yourself up with all maps, all details, from all repos, for the region defined by X,Y" |
| 18:59.25 | Chox | yes, my train this morning went off the edge of the map :o |
| 18:59.28 | torpor | i so rarely have both net connectivity and gps at the same time. |
| 18:59.57 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8fb3b9d7ad6b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade xglamo to get a bugfix for #1533 (bracket instead of 7 shown) |
| 18:59.59 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rae0c6ba94b1b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade opkg get the user.c fix to use va_start/va_end around vsprintf |
| 19:00.08 | torpor | but maybe there is some sort of map tile agreement with openstreetmaps that precludes the tangogps authors' license to do a big map swoop .. |
| 19:00.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4def09219c03 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get some predictive keyboard changes (input symbol keys, show/hide it) |
| 19:00.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc8825b5ddab7 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade xglamo to get a bugfix for #1533 (bracket instead of 7 shown) |
| 19:00.12 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r7de4274c75b2 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade opkg get the user.c fix to use va_start/va_end around vsprintf |
| 19:00.21 | Chox | don't think so. |
| 19:00.22 | zandini | Hello. I am trying to flash FR, but it doesn't seem to want to stay in "Set console to USB" mode.. Every time I try, it exits back to uBoot menu in 2 sec. |
| 19:00.28 | Chox | read the tangoGPS faq |
| 19:00.36 | Chox | openstreetmap really is open. |
| 19:00.41 | Chox | and it's not the only one out there. |
| 19:00.49 | torpor | i know i've red that |
| 19:01.17 | torpor | i'll suggest the feature of 'full map swoop' to the tangogps author, and/or look at the code and produce a patch to do so .. |
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| 19:01.34 | SpeedEvil | torpor: data transfer isn't free for OSM. If lots of users go and hit the repositories for hundreds of Km when they don't really need them... |
| 19:01.52 | torpor | zandini: go into u-boot, cycle the aux-menu one or two items, then disconnect the usb cable, start up the flash program, and reconnect the cable |
| 19:02.16 | torpor | the usb-console firmware sometimes gets confused by the USB state set by the flash program, so you have to reset it with a cable re-plug. |
| 19:02.44 | Dave | uggh |
| 19:02.50 | zandini | okay. I will give that a try. |
| 19:02.56 | Dave | anyone know how to rid myself of that mouse pointer bug/mode? |
| 19:03.02 | torpor | SpeedEvil: i understand that, really i do. i just don't think if i'm entering "x,y" as my known region of interest, personally, someone else can tell me 'you don't really need that', especially if I don't have online access to OSM persistently, all the time .. |
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| 19:05.17 | SpeedEvil | torpor: I'm not saying that anyone can. But you can do that with tangogps. Zoom out to world view. Click 'download to 4 levels' |
| 19:05.35 | andreas | I'd think it were a good idea if the OSM data was downloadable in nicely-sized chunks, e.g. via tor. |
| 19:05.41 | SpeedEvil | torpor: this'll get you country outlines. Zoom into where you want, and then to where you want maps of. |
| 19:05.47 | andreas | I'd download all maps for my city and put them on an SD card. |
| 19:05.52 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't work so well. |
| 19:06.01 | SpeedEvil | The tiles change weekly for some of them. |
| 19:06.17 | andreas | Gah, torrent, not tor. |
| 19:06.27 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: I believe the mouse pointer is enabled/disabled in /etc/matchbox/session ? |
| 19:06.43 | andreas | But my streets don't. And even then, I can live with downloading updates for my city once a month or so. |
| 19:07.01 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse o_O |
| 19:07.07 | Andre613_ | hi there, having a problem with booting up my freerunner. Here's the story: I was trying to get to the boot loader menu, and in the meantime, the phone powered down... I assumed that the battery might have been hosed, but after replacing with a new battery and plugging in the charger, it still won't boot! |
| 19:07.19 | SpeedEvil | andlo: so somewhere you need to store a hundred or two terabytes of different versions of tiles... |
| 19:07.31 | bumbl | tangogps doesn't seem to like movement because it gets the graphics messed up although there is a good gps signal and all maps are available on the nand |
| 19:07.33 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse, I'm still not even sure what causes it? |
| 19:07.52 | Dave | But once it happens essentially i've found the only remedy is reboot |
| 19:07.53 | andreas | tangogps has severe redraw problems when it can't fetch tiles. |
| 19:07.57 | nuclear_eclipse | oh, you didn't ever set that way by hand you mean? |
| 19:07.57 | andreas | It's unusable as is. |
| 19:08.03 | Dave | since the phone essentially becomes unusable, when it does occur |
| 19:08.06 | SpeedEvil | toggles_w: yeah - and with 450m wafers, you can get more and more on each wafer. |
| 19:08.08 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 19:08.12 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse, never knew about it, so no ;) |
| 19:08.20 | Dave | But it's happened a few times in different applications |
| 19:08.22 | toggles_w | SpeedEvil: !! ;-) |
| 19:08.22 | nuclear_eclipse | lol, that's wierd |
| 19:08.26 | Dave | that caused it |
| 19:08.30 | Dave | It totally sucks :( |
| 19:08.40 | SpeedEvil | toggles_w: sorry - was talking to someone with gle: in another channel |
| 19:08.44 | Dave | Speedevil, I prefer sugarcones, personally :) |
| 19:08.45 | nuclear_eclipse | I specifically enabled the pointer on mine, but it's a really tiny pointer |
| 19:08.48 | Dave | :D |
| 19:08.51 | andreas | And why should the tiles be several hundred terabytes? Everybody else is able to fit them in SD cards. |
| 19:08.51 | toggles_w | no worries |
| 19:09.05 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse, yeah it is, it's a tiny black outlined white pointer |
| 19:09.06 | Dave | pretty useless |
| 19:09.22 | bumbl | andreas: but it does not have to fetch the maps, they are available; if I scroll to another area and then do an autocenter the maps are displayed fine |
| 19:09.38 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: I like to see exactly where my finger is triggering :) |
| 19:09.39 | andreas | bumbl: Then it has more than one bug. |
| 19:09.47 | Dave | yeah but you can't disable it! |
| 19:09.52 | Dave | and it breaks everything :( |
| 19:10.03 | Dave | (unrelated to simply enabling it, perhaps) :p |
| 19:10.05 | Dave | heh |
| 19:10.09 | Dave | I think mine is a real bug though |
| 19:10.15 | nite613 | Should a neo startup to the bootloader with no battery and plugged into the wall charger? |
| 19:10.16 | Dave | I think others have encountered this before though. |
| 19:10.23 | nite613 | Or do you need a battery with sufficient charge? |
| 19:10.46 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: that does sound really weild |
| 19:10.54 | nuclear_eclipse | s/weild/weird/ |
| 19:11.04 | bumbl | ok; additionally matchbox (I know it's unmaintained) crashes every now and then |
| 19:11.08 | Dave | Yeah :( |
| 19:11.10 | retracile | nite613: as I understand it, it depends on the version of the bootloader. the original couldn't boot from USB power... too much current draw. (again, as I understand it) |
| 19:11.13 | Dave | it's shitty because when it happens |
| 19:11.19 | Dave | it disables a lot of button abilities |
| 19:11.37 | Dave | so essentially I become trapped in that application, or trapped on the menu app screen, unable to click anything |
| 19:11.47 | Dave | the AUX and POWER menus still pop up and seem to work |
| 19:11.50 | Dave | but only somewhat |
| 19:11.51 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: I fail to see the problem :P |
| 19:11.53 | Dave | (and lagged) |
| 19:11.56 | Dave | hahaha, fucker :P |
| 19:12.15 | Dave | stabs nuclear_eclipse with his tiny black mouse pointer! |
| 19:12.36 | nite613 | retracile: Thanks |
| 19:12.39 | bumbl | Dave: if we are talking about the same thing: connect to your freerunner via usb/ssh and restart the xserver |
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| 19:13.09 | AntonTakk | welp, just re-opened an eight month old bug :\ |
| 19:13.22 | kelvie_work | oh yeah.. where do you send patches? |
| 19:13.32 | kelvie_work | I've heard it asked a few times, but I've never gotten an answer |
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| 19:15.21 | Dave | bumbl, that's not a solution to the problem. |
| 19:15.37 | Dave | though thanks, surely one could resolve the issue temporarily by doing that :P |
| 19:15.53 | Dave | but that doesn't help me when I'm on the road :) |
| 19:15.58 | Dave | plus why the fuck does it happen? :D |
| 19:16.08 | Dave | nothing should trigger that intentionally? or if so, what apps do? :o |
| 19:16.16 | retracile | Dave: Sure it does... all you need is a 2nd FR to act as the host machine. ;) |
| 19:16.18 | bumbl | yes it's not an solution but it cures the symptoms |
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| 19:16.29 | bumbl | s/an/a/ |
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| 19:16.34 | Dave | bah! |
| 19:16.40 | Dave | whaps retracile :P |
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| 19:17.03 | retracile | Dave: Ah, come on, you know you want a 2nd one! |
| 19:18.47 | Zorkman | question: i have no SD card reader, but i do have an old mp3 hard disk player in which i can insert an sd card, is it possible to acces this card directly and format it? |
| 19:19.30 | Zorkman | or should i just give up hope :) |
| 19:19.42 | retracile | Zorkman: the FR should be able to format it... |
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| 19:20.17 | Zorkman | retracile: yes, i can format everything with it, exept fat |
| 19:20.25 | mjr | Zorkman, "maybe" |
| 19:20.44 | Zorkman | retracile: and i cant get dualboot up with ext2 and ext3 (i'm probably doing something wrong, but i can't find it) |
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| 19:24.37 | mmontour | Zorkman: you can get mkfs.vfat from http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/dosfstools_2.11-r0_armv4t.ipk (copy to the Freerunner then "opkg install" it) |
| 19:25.45 | Dave | I want a second what, retracile? |
| 19:25.46 | Zorkman | mmontour, i already got a mkfs.vfat from another irc visitor here (i added it to the wiki) but i'll try this one, thanks! |
| 19:25.58 | Dave | :p |
| 19:26.38 | Chox | D! |
| 19:26.45 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: I believe he meant you wanted a second FR |
| 19:26.59 | nuclear_eclipse | to connect to the other for SSH reasons :P |
| 19:27.06 | retracile | Dave: a second FR to carry around. |
| 19:27.12 | wastrel | fr phone |
| 19:27.26 | Chox | cos I don't have enough of them |
| 19:27.51 | Dave | I have several I carry around... |
| 19:27.57 | Dave | I don't need any more |
| 19:28.04 | Chox | not including the ones you broke? |
| 19:29.23 | ecraven | why are there no rootfses for today? |
| 19:29.43 | Dave | shush :p |
| 19:30.31 | Chox | and I WILL DEVOUR THEM! |
| 19:30.40 | Chox | Davezilla. |
| 19:30.59 | Dave | RAWR |
| 19:31.39 | Chox | takes pliers to a 5 port USB card to fit it in a 4 port slot. |
| 19:32.30 | Dave | :P |
| 19:32.42 | Chox | only problem is, I need a second one! |
| 19:32.59 | Chox | and the other shitty cheap cards I have don't play with the Soekris board |
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| 19:37.36 | Zorkman | mmontour |
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| 19:37.56 | Zorkman | i still get the error with your dosfsck: |
| 19:38.13 | Zorkman | "/bin/dosfsck: line 1: syntax error: "(" unexpected" |
| 19:38.38 | Zorkman | it seems an error that is patchable (maybe?) http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=7708 |
| 19:39.52 | mmontour | Do you need dosfsck? You should be able to just "mkfs.vfat", mount the partition, and copy the files onto it. |
| 19:40.13 | Zorkman | mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) |
| 19:40.13 | Zorkman | Illegal instruction |
| 19:40.23 | Zorkman | (when I do mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1) |
| 19:41.36 | mmontour | odd - it works on my GTA01. |
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| 19:42.08 | Zorkman | mkfs.ext2 and mkfs.ext3 do work |
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| 19:43.23 | mmontour | You're sure that you're running the binary from my package, not the one that the other guy gave you? |
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| 19:44.04 | mmontour | what do "which mkfs.vfat" and "md5sum /usr/sbin/mkfs.vfat" say? |
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| 19:44.25 | Zorkman | root@om-gta02:~# which mkfs.vfat |
| 19:44.25 | Zorkman | /bin/mkfs.vfat |
| 19:44.35 | Chox | heh |
| 19:44.37 | Zorkman | 63abeedb6cf7741ec21ee9275ae6a5b4 /usr/sbin/mkfs.vfat |
| 19:44.38 | Chox | so wrong! |
| 19:44.49 | mmontour | Yeah, try the /usr/sbin/ one |
| 19:45.51 | Zorkman | root@om-gta02:/usr/bin# mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 19:45.51 | Zorkman | mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) |
| 19:45.51 | Zorkman | Illegal instruction |
| 19:45.57 | Chox | laffs |
| 19:45.59 | Zorkman | oh sbin, sorry |
| 19:46.32 | Chox | armv5 binary, perchance |
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| 19:50.47 | Zorkman | this will probably make Chox laugh some more: but are the mkfs.vfat files on all freerunner v5 not the same? would it not suffice if someone sent me that file and i scp'ed it to my freerunner? |
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| 19:51.13 | Chox | yes, but you put it in a different path |
| 19:51.19 | Chox | hence the 'which' command |
| 19:51.30 | Chox | and who knows where the other one came from. |
| 19:51.56 | Zorkman | yeah i understand that, but i copied the file from the /usr/sbin over the file in /bin/ now and it still doesn't work |
| 19:52.14 | Chox | there may be some history with that package, fixes, etc |
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| 19:52.23 | Sargun | heya |
| 19:52.26 | Sargun | Upgrading ncurses on root from 5.4-r14 to 5.4-r15... |
| 19:52.26 | Sargun | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ncurses_5.4-r15_armv4t.ipk |
| 19:52.26 | Sargun | Collected errors: |
| 19:52.26 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.32 | Sargun | Sorry about flood |
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| 19:52.37 | Chox | opkg remove ncurses |
| 19:52.50 | Zorkman | mmm... ok, i'll reflash the device and try with only that ipk package and see if it works |
| 19:52.52 | Sargun | Alright, reinstall |
| 19:52.58 | mmontour | Zorkman: So explicitly running "/usr/sbin/mkfs.vfat" gives that same illegal instruction error? |
| 19:54.13 | Zorkman | mmontour: no... it works.. i feel (again) very stupid... i cd'd to the directory and ran it but ofcourse it still used the other one... |
| 19:54.32 | edistar | Zorkman: grats ; |
| 19:54.33 | edistar | ;_ |
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| 19:55.10 | Zorkman | thanks edistar, seems my main contribution is make everyone frown at my ignorance :) |
| 19:55.22 | Chox | hardly. |
| 19:55.31 | Chox | asking questions is a lot better than half-arsed assertions |
| 19:55.42 | Chox | which we've had plenty of - even from me ;-) |
| 19:56.33 | Zorkman | hmmm: i run fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 and it still still says "Linux" as the system of my /dev/mmcblk0p1 is this normal? |
| 19:56.42 | edistar | Zorkman: grats that you got the solution! |
| 19:56.51 | Chox | did you expect it to say something else? |
| 19:57.00 | malik1972 | lpotter: ping |
| 19:57.12 | Zorkman | fat 32 ? :) |
| 19:57.19 | Chox | doesn't matter all that much. |
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| 19:57.30 | Zorkman | ok, thanks |
| 19:57.33 | Chox | but you can change the partition type if you like in fdisk |
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| 19:58.36 | mmontour | Zorkman: BTW, the need to have a FAT partition will go away soon, once someone has time to re-write the "booting from SD" wiki page. The new u-boot images can load the kernel from ext2/3. |
| 19:59.05 | troy|work | if I plug a usb drive into the freerunner will it load the modules to have an extra disk? |
| 19:59.18 | Zorkman | mmontour, yeah, i heard about that, but was unable to succeed on my own with ext2 as kernel and ext3as filesystem |
| 19:59.34 | Zorkman | fdisk also gives a warning: |
| 19:59.34 | Zorkman | The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 15484. |
| 19:59.34 | Zorkman | There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, |
| 19:59.47 | Zorkman | should i somehow change the number of cylindes? |
| 20:00.01 | Yashy | but when I hit dial after entering a telephone number, dialer crashes and sends me back to the application window |
| 20:00.12 | Zorkman | or is it not important? (i guess a quick google will give me the answer how to do it, but not if it is usefull or not in this case) |
| 20:00.12 | mmontour | Zorkman: By "new u-boot images" I mean "20070823" or newer on buildhost.openmoko.org. |
| 20:00.23 | mmontour | s/20070823/20080723/ |
| 20:00.24 | Yashy | I just tried qtopia, I still can not dial out with my neo |
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| 20:00.46 | malik1972 | mmontour: hi |
| 20:00.53 | kelvie_work | wow.. using gentoo paid off -- I have most of the source files that OpenEmbedded can't find in my distfiles dir |
| 20:00.59 | Zorkman | Yashy: are you connected to the network? qtopia worked fine here |
| 20:01.02 | Chox | damn ricers |
| 20:01.31 | kelvie_work | if you haven't compiled with -funroll-loops |
| 20:01.32 | kelvie_work | you haven't lived |
| 20:01.36 | malik1972 | mmontour: will this uboot version change my uboot_env? |
| 20:01.45 | Yashy | Zorkman: it seems to be specific to my phone. I can receive calls, just not dial out. I've tried two SIM cards, and two firmware images, all to no avail, I can't dial out :( |
| 20:01.54 | Chox | I have, but fortunately without the "benefit" of gentoo |
| 20:01.56 | malik1972 | mmontour: or will i have to modify it by hand? |
| 20:02.29 | kelvie_work | Chox: hehe.. so have I |
| 20:02.36 | kelvie_work | I've never put it in my system CFLAGS of course |
| 20:02.44 | kelvie_work | but for this compuational program I tried... it made it run slower |
| 20:03.16 | Zorkman | Yashy is your phone flashed with the latest images? |
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| 20:03.41 | Zorkman | and have you tried making calls with 2007.2 or ASU OR FSO? |
| 20:03.46 | Yashy | yes, I tried the latest 2007.2 and qtopia |
| 20:04.00 | Zorkman | and dialing out worked? |
| 20:04.03 | Yashy | no |
| 20:04.26 | Yashy | dialing out has never worked, but receiving calls worked fine with both images |
| 20:04.27 | Zorkman | i should warn you at this point: talking with me will get you not a step closer to a sollution :) |
| 20:04.42 | Yashy | Anyone know the process for returning a phone? |
| 20:04.50 | Yashy | unless there are any other ideas? |
| 20:04.58 | Zorkman | not even steve knows it i think... |
| 20:05.12 | Zorkman | (trying even more sims from different telco's?) |
| 20:05.47 | Yashy | exchanged SIMs with another neo last night, seems to be specific to my phone |
| 20:05.59 | mmontour | malik1972: Updating the u-boot binary will not affect the env variables |
| 20:06.04 | AntonTakk | i have had dialing out work on all three, only 2007.2 and asu resulted in a two-wat phone call, fso seemed to have something muted |
| 20:06.24 | AntonTakk | two-way* |
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| 20:06.56 | AntonTakk | 2007.2 constantly complains abut Method "Dial" with blah blah |
| 20:07.07 | AntonTakk | but ASU seems to work rather well for me |
| 20:07.54 | AntonTakk | i did find that my sim seems to work better with the neo if i slide it all the way to one side after locking the holder |
| 20:08.12 | AntonTakk | the pins on my card seem to possibly be off-center |
| 20:08.34 | malik1972 | mmontour: okay ... but this version handles ext on sdhc cards issue, so that there is no need to move the kernel to a fat partition or nand, right? |
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| 20:09.28 | mmontour | right (should work - I don't have a Freerunner to test it myself) |
| 20:10.19 | malik1972 | thanx mmontour, will try it at the weekend |
| 20:10.24 | Kensan | mmontour: do you know if somebody is doing the u-boot sdhc support for the Neo1973? |
| 20:10.37 | mmontour | Kensan: nobody's volunteered yet |
| 20:10.49 | Zorkman | edistar: didn't you boot from sdhc? |
| 20:11.28 | Kensan | mmontour: too bad. |
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| 20:14.22 | torpor | anyone know what the 'multitouch keyboard' is all about? |
| 20:14.28 | torpor | is it really multitouch? |
| 20:15.07 | Zorkman | haha |
| 20:15.13 | Gnutoo | good question...is the touchscreen hardware multitouch capable(so we can make games using multitouch....for instance with pygame....) |
| 20:15.14 | Zorkman | torpor: it's multi tap keyboard |
| 20:15.21 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 20:15.21 | rebelThor | hey, i used the instructions on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Host-based_development_with_Xoo_and_Xephyr to get the emulation running, but i have errors about gsmd |
| 20:15.25 | Zorkman | (except when there is anewx keyboard i don't know about) |
| 20:15.25 | rebelThor | how do you start the thing? |
| 20:15.49 | Zorkman | torpor: multitap is just like a regular cellphone, tap one time for "a", two times for "b" etc |
| 20:15.51 | torpor | d'oh |
| 20:15.51 | SpeedEvil | Gnutoo: it's a four wire resistive touchscreen. It can only in principle give roughtly the bounding box of all touches. |
| 20:15.59 | torpor | multitap |
| 20:16.05 | torpor | SpeedEvil: hey, that'd be good though. |
| 20:16.15 | Gnutoo | wow |
| 20:16.19 | SpeedEvil | torpor: however, I'm unsure if that can be done |
| 20:16.22 | torpor | i can imagine a few apps where drawing a box with two fingers would be nice. |
| 20:16.26 | sparrow | Yashy - What you are descibing is the same issue I had with my phone. |
| 20:16.27 | SpeedEvil | torpor: or if the hardware just returns an x/y |
| 20:16.50 | Yashy | sparrow: Did you resolve it or have to send it back? |
| 20:17.03 | sparrow | Yashy - It is a SIM issue. The SIM is not compatible with your phone. |
| 20:17.09 | Zorkman | torpor: there WAS also some talk about using it for multitouch purposes because it *MIHT* be possible to detect two fingers because the refence point with "jump" between the two points of contact |
| 20:17.23 | sparrow | Yashy - How old is your SIM? |
| 20:17.30 | Zorkman | there are also some touchpads in laptops than can register if you tap with two fingers instead of one... |
| 20:17.50 | Yashy | sparrow: I will head down to the telco store and try a new SIM... bbiab :) |
| 20:17.54 | torpor | hmm. |
| 20:18.04 | sparrow | Yashy - Where are you, ie country? |
| 20:18.08 | torpor | well i hope we start to see iphone clones in the future running linux coz multitouch is nie. |
| 20:18.35 | Yashy | sparrow: Canada on Rogers; however I tried a SIM that works on a friends Neo, and it didn't work in mine. |
| 20:18.52 | sparrow | Yashy - Are you in Toronto? |
| 20:19.01 | Yashy | no, BC |
| 20:19.09 | mjr | Zorkman, yeah, a double-tap detection would be somewhat feasible... |
| 20:19.22 | edistar | Zorkman: yeah, I do |
| 20:19.24 | sparrow | Okay, ask for a series 4000 sim. (aka new sim) |
| 20:19.34 | Yashy | OK will do |
| 20:19.41 | Zorkman | sdgc |
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| 20:20.07 | Zorkman | kensan asked if someone was doing some work around booting from sdhc |
| 20:20.09 | sparrow | Yashy - It is white on the top side, and red on the contact side |
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| 20:21.02 | sparrow | Yashy - With UICC on the redside |
| 20:21.13 | sparrow | in white print |
| 20:21.31 | Yashy | OK. This one is all white with black print Rogers/AT&T |
| 20:21.44 | Chox | tries to refrain from more past/passed jokes. |
| 20:21.56 | sparrow | Yashy - Do you want a picture? |
| 20:22.07 | Yashy | nah, I'm sure they'll know at the Rogers store |
| 20:22.14 | sparrow | Cool =) |
| 20:22.15 | ecraven | has anyone tried the software fix for sd/gps? |
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| 20:22.32 | Yashy | thanks though, I'll head out now to the store and see... |
| 20:22.37 | Chox | ecraven: seems to be ok for me. YMMV |
| 20:28.01 | Zorkman | unbelievable! |
| 20:28.18 | Zorkman | Chox and edistar, if you're ever in Belgium i'll give you one of our finest beers! |
| 20:28.26 | Zorkman | i'm dualbooting finally :) |
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| 20:29.25 | edistar | Zorkman: super, isn't that far actually ;) |
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| 20:29.25 | Zorkman | anytime :) |
| 20:29.46 | Zorkman | is the speed-penalty big if you run from sd? |
| 20:29.56 | Gnutoo | thanks for the answer on the multitap screen |
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| 20:32.16 | ecraven | how do i connect my FR via usb to my pc *without* starting it? |
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| 20:34.41 | Zorkman | ecraven: i think it is not possible (yet) |
| 20:35.20 | sparrow | ecraven - For power or to use the gsm modem? |
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| 20:36.03 | ecraven | for power, and generally, i sometimes forget that it boots, connect it, want to boot from sd, have to wait until the internal boot is finished, reboot.. |
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| 20:38.22 | sparrow | ecraven - I think Zorkman is correct. But I seem to recall a new uboot to support that to a certain degree. The only issue is that your phone would always go to uboot and wait. |
| 20:38.52 | sparrow | looks for the uboot thread he mentioned |
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| 20:39.44 | ecraven | thanks! |
| 20:40.52 | ecraven | has anyone tried recent svn FSO? |
| 20:41.10 | ecraven | does it have anything but phoning yet? can it run non-zhone applications? |
| 20:42.33 | Zorkman | ecraven: havent tried it but normally only phoning, not even sms |
| 20:42.45 | edistar | ecraven: it is now based on illume |
| 20:42.50 | edistar | ecraven: why not test it? |
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| 20:43.09 | edistar | ecraven: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D |
| 20:43.19 | ecraven | edistar: thanks, will do |
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| 20:44.25 | Zorkman | btw: is it normal that whenever i boot my freerunner (2007.2 or ASU) it displays for a split second some very nasty colored lines? |
| 20:44.44 | edistar | Zorkman: no, I don't get them |
| 20:44.50 | edistar | Zorkman: at what stage? |
| 20:44.57 | ecraven | edistar: the screenshots look nice :) |
| 20:45.16 | Zorkman | after uboot |
| 20:45.32 | ecraven | so no more zhone? no tichy? what is illume? c code? |
| 20:46.18 | Zorkman | first it checks the uImage and then i get this nasty screen and then it starts with all that "mambo jambo" in those fast little white lines of text :) |
| 20:46.31 | edistar | ecraven: yeah, it's very nice and rounded off :) |
| 20:46.38 | edistar | ah, ok |
| 20:46.41 | edistar | Zorkman: might be normal |
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| 20:47.22 | ecraven | edistar: does it run with the kernel of today? |
| 20:47.42 | edistar | ecraven: yes |
| 20:47.48 | kd8ikt_ | <- ssh |
| 20:48.20 | kd8ikt_ | is on my moko |
| 20:49.21 | ecraven | edistar: cool, if tangogps works on it, i'll switch to that ;) |
| 20:49.38 | AntonTakk | any of you that use 2007.2 actually turn your phones off/reboot them sometimes? |
| 20:49.55 | edistar | ecraven: it does |
| 20:50.08 | edistar | ecraven: patched version |
| 20:50.24 | ecraven | edistar: you don't have an ipkg for 0.9.2? |
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| 20:50.43 | edistar | ok |
| 20:50.51 | ecraven | foo, i should have asked you a few hours ago, my internet at home is so slow :( an hour to get the 50mb image |
| 20:50.58 | edistar | ecraven: sry? |
| 20:51.13 | ecraven | edistar: do you have that patched version anywhere i can access it? |
| 20:51.20 | edistar | ecraven: it should be on the image already |
| 20:51.42 | kd8ikt_ | patched what? why |
| 20:51.55 | ecraven | edistar: exceedingly cool ;) |
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| 20:51.59 | edistar | kd8ikt_: to work with FSO's ogpsd |
| 20:52.03 | Chox | Tintin! |
| 20:52.45 | sparrow | AntonTakk - I do quite alot |
| 20:52.50 | Chox | a lot, thanks |
| 20:54.10 | Andre613 | k, this is weird... I'm trying to install Qtopia as a dual-boot setup on my FreeRunner. I modified some settings in uboot so I can boot from SD. Thing is, when I power down and get back in to uboot, the new entry is sometimes there, and sometimes it's the old menu that shows up! The uboot vesion numbers are sometimes different as well. any ideas? |
| 20:54.33 | Chox | presumably one is the NOR version and one is the NAND |
| 20:55.00 | lymeca | Is cdmaone supported by OpenMoko? Or just GSM/GPRS and the like? |
| 20:55.07 | cjb | just GSM |
| 20:55.25 | Andre613 | under which conditions will it use NAND vs NOR? |
| 20:55.37 | Chox | depends on key press. see the getting started guide. |
| 20:56.15 | Sargun | does the wireless support master mode? |
| 20:56.17 | Zorkman | Andre613: hold down power and then hold down aux together with power, you well enter NAND |
| 20:56.22 | mjr | Sargun, no |
| 20:56.22 | Chox | Sargun: no |
| 20:56.32 | Zorkman | if you first hold down auw and then hold down power together with aux you will enter NOR |
| 20:56.34 | Sargun | Aw, damnit. |
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| 20:56.40 | mjr | lymeca, cdma, not very open-friendly |
| 20:56.50 | Sargun | WiMax is. |
| 20:56.55 | lymeca | Ah yes, Qualcomm and the like. |
| 20:57.07 | Chox | yes, but WiMax isn't a cell technology |
| 20:57.35 | Chox | nor widley deployed |
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| 20:59.24 | Andre613 | ok, can someone explain to me why the phone randomly powers down while in the boot menu? |
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| 20:59.37 | nite613 | Chox, slightly off topic, but what do you think about wimax vs 802.11n for urban wireless? |
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| 20:59.57 | Chox | erm :o can 'o worms. N is proven at least. |
| 21:00.12 | nite613 | haha, as proven as it can be without a standard |
| 21:00.24 | Chox | yes, but it works. |
| 21:00.32 | Chox | and can fall back to G, etc. |
| 21:00.34 | nite613 | agreed |
| 21:00.41 | nite613 | wifi is the bomb |
| 21:00.58 | Chox | and N increases the range somewhat. still. |
| 21:00.59 | sparrow | Andre613 - I am sorry, I don't use dual boot yet. I know that if left in uboot, currently the system will power down to conserve power is no actionis taken. |
| 21:01.04 | mjr | and unsuited for a cellular network :] |
| 21:01.18 | Chox | mrj: yessir |
| 21:02.05 | Andre613 | sparrow, thanks |
| 21:02.13 | kelvie_work | does opkg install to the SD card when its runs out of internal memory? |
| 21:02.16 | Wonka | will get some GPRS Internet flatrate for 25eur/month soon |
| 21:02.22 | Zorkman | i get "Could not obtain administrative lock" when running opkg upgrade/update, but i have closed assasin, do i need to reboot? |
| 21:02.44 | Chox | there will be some file you can ddlete |
| 21:02.47 | sparrow | kelvie_work - No... The SD card in mounted in a diff place on the file system. |
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| 21:03.21 | kelvie_work | sparrow: so you can't install more than 256MB of programs? |
| 21:03.36 | Chox | not under the current setup, no |
| 21:03.40 | sparrow | kelvie_work - opkg only knows where on the file system to install, not which device. |
| 21:03.45 | kelvie_work | ah |
| 21:03.51 | Chox | not without tricks, in any case |
| 21:04.01 | kelvie_work | will that be remedied later? |
| 21:04.05 | sparrow | nods to Chox |
| 21:04.07 | Zorkman | in /usr/lib/opkg/lock, but is it safe to delete it? |
| 21:04.14 | kelvie_work | I'm building qt-4.3 and pyqt4.3 .. I have doubts it will all fit :p |
| 21:04.35 | ecraven | yay, got a satellite *with* the sd card in |
| 21:05.24 | Chox | say, /usr/share symlink to SD card |
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| 21:06.40 | sparrow | ecraven - Not sure if I already asked you yet, but what kernel are you tracking? |
| 21:06.43 | kelvie_work | I think the guys that jailbroke the iphone/ipod had the same issue |
| 21:06.51 | kelvie_work | wonder how they worked around it |
| 21:06.52 | Chox | I just pulled today's kernel from opkg |
| 21:06.55 | ecraven | sparrow: today's from Latest_Images 2007.2 |
| 21:07.07 | Chox | rebooting now |
| 21:07.24 | Zorkman | the asu sure runns slow, is this normal? |
| 21:07.44 | Chox | wonders why people persist with ASU :o |
| 21:07.58 | Zorkman | doesn't persist, i just flashed it an hour ago |
| 21:08.07 | Zorkman | but indeed, i get your point |
| 21:08.13 | Chox | sounds like pesisting ;-) |
| 21:08.32 | sparrow | Zorkman - Yeah... But it is still very early in the dev cycle. |
| 21:08.45 | mjr | kelvie_work, sparrow isn't completely up to speed it seems. You can configure another "root" into opkg, and install packages there; also there is a utility to manage symlinks from the actual root to packages installed in an alternate location (ipkg-link wasit, don't know if renamed to opkg-) |
| 21:09.21 | sparrow | mjr - I stand corrected ;) |
| 21:09.26 | kelvie_work | mjr: oh.. fantastic :) |
| 21:09.34 | Chox | sounds a bit manual :o |
| 21:09.34 | mjr | kelvie_work, you must tell it to install there though manually afiak |
| 21:09.40 | kelvie_work | that's fine |
| 21:09.49 | kelvie_work | is a gentoo user |
| 21:09.56 | Chox | damn ricers! |
| 21:10.07 | kelvie_work | hehe |
| 21:10.14 | kelvie_work | you sound like a bot |
| 21:10.19 | Chox | I know |
| 21:10.48 | kelvie_work | mjr: are there any docs that point to how to do this? |
| 21:10.57 | Zorkman | chox what do you mean with "damn ricers" i can't stop thinking about chinese people :) |
| 21:10.57 | Chox | opkg --help :o |
| 21:11.02 | Chox | heh |
| 21:11.06 | kelvie_work | consequently, I am also Chinese |
| 21:11.22 | Chox | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_burner |
| 21:11.26 | mjr | kelvie_work, don't know, but look up ipkg-link |
| 21:11.29 | bagpuss_thecat | uurgh, Gentoo users |
| 21:11.30 | Chox | the original reference is Japanese |
| 21:11.33 | bagpuss_thecat | :-) |
| 21:11.36 | kelvie_work | mjr: will do |
| 21:11.36 | mjr | also opkg's -d optin |
| 21:11.43 | CVirus | bagpuss_thecat: what's with gentoo users ? |
| 21:11.43 | CVirus | grabs his weapon |
| 21:11.52 | kelvie_work | hold on, my weapon is still compiling |
| 21:12.01 | CVirus | haha |
| 21:12.04 | leinirAWAY | http://web.archive.org/web/20061004200708/http://www.funroll-loops.org/ <-- Gentoo is rice! ;) |
| 21:12.07 | Zorkman | thanks kelvie, i learned a new word today :) |
| 21:12.17 | sparrow | mjr - Did they fix the SD card access bug? |
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| 21:12.19 | bagpuss_thecat | kelvie_work: lol |
| 21:12.22 | Zorkman | (two when counting rice-rockets which sounds very nice :)) |
| 21:12.22 | CVirus | leinirAWAY: oldies |
| 21:12.23 | str4nd | funroll-all-loops ;) |
| 21:12.33 | mjr | sparrow, which one? |
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| 21:12.36 | leinirAWAY | CVirus: Absolutely, and great fun ;) |
| 21:12.45 | mjr | I don't know about sd access bugs |
| 21:12.53 | ecraven | great, got a fix with the sd card in |
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| 21:14.36 | Zorkman | ecraven: i get a fix from an attic-room in about 200s when close to the window with an sd card in it |
| 21:14.44 | sparrow | mjr - opkg crashing when accessing an SD card on not being able to create a status file, as I seem to recall... I don't have web access atm, so can't check it. |
| 21:15.01 | ecraven | Zorkman: seems the software fix is "good enough" |
| 21:15.13 | ecraven | i'll have to try what happens if i actually run the system from the sd card |
| 21:15.59 | Ainulindale | Is there any kind of dmalloc equivalent for the neo ? |
| 21:16.07 | Zorkman | i'm running it from the sd card :) |
| 21:16.08 | mjr | no idea |
| 21:16.45 | Zorkman | too bad openstreetmaps has only two streets mapped in my town :) |
| 21:16.57 | sparrow | Zorkman - Well that would seem to indicate its fixed =) |
| 21:16.58 | Zorkman | looks like i could boost it by a few thousand procent :) |
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| 21:17.01 | ecraven | Zorkman: map the others! |
| 21:17.13 | Zorkman | i'm planning to! |
| 21:17.13 | ecraven | that's what i've been doing over the last weeks :) |
| 21:17.18 | Yashy | sparrow: You were correct, a series 4000 SIM card works! |
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| 21:17.27 | sparrow | Yashy - Great =) |
| 21:18.12 | Zorkman | with the risk of getting clubbed like a helpless seal: are there any plans to be able to use maps from tomtom or other ones? |
| 21:18.27 | sparrow | Yashy - I spent about 2hrs with a guy here in Toronto that sells grey market phones. That was the only Rogers one we could get to work every time. |
| 21:18.29 | ecraven | those are probably copyrighted |
| 21:18.57 | Zorkman | yeah but if one already has a tomtom for example, it would be a shame not to be able to use them on this device |
| 21:19.14 | ecraven | you'd have to get their software to work |
| 21:19.23 | cjb | well, google for tomtom map readers for linux |
| 21:19.30 | Zorkman | (i know, probably not allowed.... but the HP48calculator is also "not allowed" if i am correctly -the rom isn't-) |
| 21:19.41 | cjb | if there's already one, it'll probably work. if not, we're unlikely to write one. |
| 21:19.50 | Gnutoo | Zorkman, what's the kernel version of tomtom 2.4? |
| 21:20.03 | Chox | cjb: are you aware that TomTom is a Linux device :o |
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| 21:20.19 | error3 | :) |
| 21:20.20 | error3 | hi :) |
| 21:20.26 | Zorkman | kernel 2.4.18-rmk6 |
| 21:20.31 | error3 | thnx very much for FR |
| 21:20.33 | error3 | it rocks :) |
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| 21:20.41 | cjb | Chox: doesn't mean their userspace is open-source or their map format is documented. |
| 21:20.55 | Chox | I know, but thier userspace should run |
| 21:21.06 | bagpuss_thecat | the TomTom binaries have already been made to work on a different distro |
| 21:21.10 | bagpuss_thecat | it should be doable for OpenMoko |
| 21:21.11 | Chox | there you go. |
| 21:21.17 | bagpuss_thecat | check out the Opentom project for more into |
| 21:21.20 | bagpuss_thecat | s/into/info/ |
| 21:21.27 | Chox | banzai! |
| 21:21.34 | Gnutoo | Zorkman, there was a program for glin to make old abi work on the new abi of the 2.6 kernel |
| 21:21.44 | Zorkman | their source code for the OS isn released under GPL license |
| 21:22.04 | bagpuss_thecat | no, but the binaries can still be made to work |
| 21:22.07 | Chox | that's an archaic kernel, mind |
| 21:22.19 | Zorkman | that looks promissing Gnutoo, but i still have way to much to learn before i can even dream of making it work :) |
| 21:22.21 | Chox | as long as you have OABI support in the kernel, it should be good |
| 21:22.43 | Gnutoo | Zorkman, ok |
| 21:22.48 | Gnutoo | i'll go |
| 21:23.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * read004f03be9 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: up efl srcdate for illume and vkbd support |
| 21:23.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r383a5e410b51 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 21:23.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r39cc92060d1d 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 21:23.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rfdd3a22ff336 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 21:23.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r148d482fe33d 10/ (17 files in 14 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
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| 21:24.17 | bagpuss_thecat | http://opentom.org/Main_Page#The_TomTom_Software.2C_as_published_by_TomTom_B.V. |
| 21:24.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rdcd753047d18 10/packages/u-boot/ (3 files): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 21:24.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r2a1b0a654a89 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update EFL and illume (to match) where illume has all changes but no internal |
| 21:24.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r27a0ab4ec24f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up illume version to one without internal kbd |
| 21:24.19 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7bc55d206054 10/ (9 files in 8 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 21:24.22 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd49592333f9d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update illume to latest working with qtopia keyboard... |
| 21:24.48 | uzytkownik | Hello. I have a problem setting the WPA2 with FR |
| 21:25.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r81150186a01f 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 21:25.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r74f030b661f6 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: upate illume rev |
| 21:25.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r413ee5c36a60 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
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| 21:28.15 | Zorkman | question; how long will it take before the fixes of rasterman become installable with opkg? |
| 21:28.36 | Zorkman | it is really annoying that i don't have a keyboard in the asu |
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| 21:38.00 | Yashy | Anyone know where to find the SIM card addressbook so I can copy it to my desktop to edit with a text editor? |
| 21:38.07 | mmaestri | I've tried ASU. I guess I'll try 2007.2 again |
| 21:38.09 | Chox | lalala |
| 21:38.27 | mmaestri | ASU can't be that slooooooow |
| 21:38.30 | Zorkman | sorry Yashy i don't know that |
| 21:38.45 | Zorkman | mmaestri: could you use agpsui on the ASU? |
| 21:39.02 | Zorkman | opkg installs it, but i can't find it.... how do I open it? |
| 21:39.34 | bumbl | Zorkman: they should be available tomorrow |
| 21:39.46 | mmaestri | didn't tried. but if you give me a few minutes, I'll try |
| 21:39.56 | sparrow | Yashy - I am not sure, but I think that you cannot easy access it. Your best best may be to copy it SIM contact over to your other phone and then download it. |
| 21:39.59 | Zorkman | thxbumbl and mmaestri |
| 21:40.28 | sparrow | Yashy - Thats what I did with my SIM contacts and my a1200 |
| 21:41.26 | Zorkman | "starting exposure" :) |
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| 21:41.35 | sparrow | Yashy - Also, if you just changed your SIM, I don't think they copy over contacts from your old SIM. |
| 21:43.04 | chrisc}{i | hy i'm testing the sample project in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain and i get the following error: libtool: link: cannot find the library `/space/fic/openmoko-daily/neo1973/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/pango-1.18.3-r0/pango-1.18.3/pango/libpangoft2-1.0.la' or unhandled argument `/space/fic/openmoko-daily/neo1973/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/pango-1.18.3-r0/pango-1.18.3/pango/libpangoft2-1.0.la' |
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| 21:43.23 | chrisc}{i | any idea |
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| 21:45.14 | Toaster` | My FR finally arrived! |
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| 21:45.29 | Zorkman | chrisc}{i: sorry "i know nothing, I'm from barcelona" |
| 21:45.34 | Zorkman | congrats Toaster` |
| 21:45.51 | Zorkman | flash boot and play with it :) |
| 21:46.10 | Toaster` | That's the plan. What'sthe last decent daily build? |
| 21:46.42 | Zorkman | the keyboard of the asu is broken, but tomorrow it should be back |
| 21:46.48 | Yashy | sparrow: Not sure how I can copy my contacts from my old SIM to my new SIM? |
| 21:46.51 | Zorkman | 2007.2: i recommend the latest immage |
| 21:47.09 | Zorkman | qtopia: also the latest (4.3?? just pick the one on their site qtopia.net) |
| 21:47.12 | Yashy | is going back to 2007.2 from qtopia as we speak |
| 21:47.13 | Zorkman | FSO: no idea :) |
| 21:47.23 | Chox | Debian! |
| 21:48.07 | Zorkman | the most stable and decent thing i think is the uboot Toaster`, but it's not much fun to carry only that around in your pocket |
| 21:48.14 | Yashy | qtopia was pretty but 1) I couldn't find wifi and/or browser 2) it froze on me 3) I couldn't figure out the letter entry, took me 10 minutes to get an "i". |
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| 21:49.25 | sparrow | Chox - openVMS! ;) |
| 21:49.41 | Chox | yes, but Debian works on it :p |
| 21:50.02 | sparrow | Chox - Are you running debian on yours? |
| 21:50.04 | AntonTakk | asu is the only image that reliably makes calls for me |
| 21:50.13 | Chox | yes. but I broke the touchscreen input |
| 21:50.27 | Chox | planning to update instructions and filesystem for it |
| 21:50.27 | Ainulindale | Well, doesn't seem to be easy to port dmalloc to the freerunner. |
| 21:50.36 | Zorkman | 2007.2 worked for me, have no money on sim at the moment so can not test autgoing calls with asu |
| 21:51.13 | sparrow | Yashy - If you have blue tooth on your other phone, place your old sim into it and send them to your laptop/desktop one by one. |
| 21:51.25 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: 2007.2 gives me a bug that was closed as fixed 6 months ago, so i reopened it :) |
| 21:51.59 | sparrow | Yashy - They should arrive as vcards. Then you can edit them to be imported onto your fr. |
| 21:52.15 | Yashy | sparrow: I don't have a laptop/desktop with bluetooth... can I send from old phone/old sim to FR/new sim? |
| 21:52.41 | sparrow | Yashy - I am not sure. I have not played with bluetooth yet on my fr |
| 21:53.28 | AntonTakk | put old sim in old phone - copy contacts to phone memory, swap sims, copy contacts to sim, put new sim back in the fr :) |
| 21:53.34 | sparrow | Chox - I have a neo1973 that I was planning on installing debian on. |
| 21:53.59 | Yashy | I have many contacts, this is going to be a PITA |
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| 21:54.06 | sparrow | AntonTakk - That would work ;) |
| 21:54.29 | AntonTakk | Yashy: not really, sim can hold several hundred basic contacts |
| 21:55.11 | trix | you guys seen openmoko running out of memory before? 2007.2 |
| 21:55.16 | Zorkman | mmaestri: any luck with agpsui? |
| 21:55.39 | Hobart | errr.... are current nightly builds able to handle sending replies to text messages? I believe I just sent two 'blank' ones, not sure what it is I'm doing wrong. :) |
| 21:55.40 | Yashy | AntonTakk: I'm saying I have a lot I want to copy from old SIM to new SIM, so if I have to do each one, twice, will be a PITA |
| 21:55.50 | trix | from an opkg update: |
| 21:55.51 | trix | xsystem: ERROR: fork failed before execution: `rm -fr /tmp/opkg-TYBl0V |
| 21:55.51 | trix | ' |
| 21:55.51 | trix | WARNING: Unable to remove temporary directory: /tmp/opkg-TYBl0V: Cannot allocate memory |
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| 21:57.12 | Stroller | Someone had that yesterday, trix. |
| 21:57.24 | Stroller | Emptying /tmp might workaround |
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| 21:57.41 | Stroller | Otherwise check the TRAC for bugs & file one if necessary |
| 21:58.06 | trix | Stroller: thanks for the suggestions will give them a try |
| 21:58.36 | trix | 2.7mb x.log could be part of it |
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| 21:59.54 | sparrow | Yashy - Most phones provide a copy all contacts. Take a look at your extended options. |
| 22:00.43 | Zorkman | does campwifi work? |
| 22:00.57 | Zorkman | it sees two networks, but i can't connect to any of them... |
| 22:01.02 | Yashy | sparrow: looking for it now :) |
| 22:01.13 | Zorkman | (i can't select one, but i can press connect but then nothing happens) |
| 22:02.00 | Yashy | ahh there is a "Copy all contacts to phone from SIM" option. nice |
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| 22:03.30 | AntonTakk | Yashy: fair warninf - ime that copies name and first phone# only |
| 22:03.37 | AntonTakk | warning* |
| 22:04.01 | AntonTakk | sim contacts aren't quite up to smartphone snuff :) |
| 22:04.44 | AntonTakk | guess i'm gonna flash my asu backup tonight |
| 22:04.52 | error3 | I didn't got phone and gprs working |
| 22:05.02 | error3 | with o2007.2 |
| 22:05.03 | error3 | :/ |
| 22:05.11 | error3 | I used the muxd |
| 22:05.24 | error3 | modify the GSM_DEV in /etc/default/gsmd |
| 22:05.32 | error3 | but it's sloooooooooowwwwww |
| 22:05.42 | mmaestri | is coming back to 2007.2 right now |
| 22:05.46 | error3 | and the phone never ask me the pin number :/ |
| 22:05.49 | AntonTakk | did you expect gprs to be fast? |
| 22:07.02 | error3 | AntonTakk: I mean that gsmd is slooooooooow |
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| 22:07.05 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 22:07.06 | error3 | I know that gprs is not fast ;) |
| 22:07.06 | AntonTakk | odd |
| 22:07.14 | error3 | does someone succeed in gsm + gprs working in o2007.2 ? |
| 22:07.19 | error3 | for the moment, I succeed in pulseaudio resume when phone going in suspend/resume |
| 22:07.21 | error3 | it's great :) |
| 22:07.27 | Zorkman | answer tro my own question: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/device-owners/2008-July/001799.html |
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| 22:08.53 | uzytkownik | Hello. I try to update FR by opkg |
| 22:08.56 | Zorkman | hmmm i just rebooted my freerunner and booted again from SD card an now the booting process just hangs... |
| 22:09.08 | Zorkman | the last line is "Freeing init memory: 128k- |
| 22:09.40 | mmaestri | Zorkman: reflash the kernel |
| 22:10.05 | sparrow | uzytkownik - What issue are you having? |
| 22:10.06 | Zorkman | mmaestri: i can also not reboot by poressing and hoolding the powerbutton |
| 22:10.10 | Zorkman | is it safe to remove the battery? |
| 22:10.18 | SirBob1701 | so very tired |
| 22:10.19 | uzytkownik | It cannot download signature files - because they do not exists |
| 22:10.30 | Dave | lollertoranados |
| 22:10.36 | cjb | Zorkman: should be safe |
| 22:10.38 | mmaestri | yes, it's safe |
| 22:10.49 | SirBob1701 | just blast it away if it isn't lol |
| 22:11.12 | uzytkownik | mmaestri: * Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.sig, error 404 |
| 22:11.15 | sparrow | uzytkownik - Ignore the failures. The ssignature files are broken, but the update should work. |
| 22:11.38 | sparrow | s/broken/missing |
| 22:12.03 | uzytkownik | sparrow: It shouldn't be in official repo I guess... |
| 22:12.05 | mmaestri | just as sparrow said. don't bother, it's ok |
| 22:12.30 | sparrow | uzytkownik - I think things are a little fly by night at the moment ;) |
| 22:13.12 | sparrow | uzytkownik - You were able to download the Packages.gz files, right? |
| 22:13.25 | uzytkownik | Yes |
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| 22:14.41 | Toaster` | hrm, it seems my usb0 on my desktop can't see the internet, ergo, neither can my FR |
| 22:14.59 | SpeedEvil | Toaster`: search the wiki for inspiration. |
| 22:15.11 | SpeedEvil | Toaster`: or maybe more usefully, ip_tables |
| 22:15.15 | Toaster` | SpeedEvil: Already there |
| 22:15.58 | Dave | yo yo yo |
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| 22:17.05 | Stroller | Toaster`: that statement doesn't make sense. Presumably your desktop can see the internet? usb0 can only see internet if it's physically connected to internet, but you can route. |
| 22:18.09 | Chox | D! |
| 22:18.44 | Chox | In Soviet #openmoko, Dave devours you! |
| 22:20.04 | sparrow | Chox - Do you have any of the phone daemons running under debian? |
| 22:20.12 | Chox | no, not tried |
| 22:20.47 | sparrow | I think I will give it a shot this weekend. Let you know how it goes if you are interested. |
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| 22:26.43 | Yashy | Toaster: try this http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner |
| 22:27.35 | Yashy | doh |
| 22:28.18 | tc | Does anyone know how to change tangoGPS to display in MPH rather than KPH |
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| 22:28.54 | mjr | export USE_ANTIQUE_MEASUREMENTS="YEA VERILY" |
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| 22:29.08 | Stroller | lol |
| 22:29.09 | Yashy | Isn't only the US and like Madagascar that use MPH? :) |
| 22:29.11 | retracile | tc on the map page, I think there's a config button. |
| 22:29.33 | bagpuss_thecat | and .uk |
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| 22:29.43 | bagpuss_thecat | and quite a lot ex .uk colonies |
| 22:29.53 | bagpuss_thecat | which is roughly about 1/3 of the planet :-) |
| 22:29.55 | tc | I'm in the UK :) |
| 22:29.57 | SpeedEvil | tc: it's in the config page |
| 22:30.13 | retracile | tc: look for 'imperial' |
| 22:30.37 | bagpuss_thecat | and DeathStar |
| 22:31.20 | Chox | laffs at tangogps messages |
| 22:31.25 | Chox | "SHOULD NEVER COME HERE" |
| 22:31.35 | Zorkman | diversity thinks i'm in dublin :) |
| 22:31.40 | tc | hmmm.. when I click on config I get to a page starting with the OSM URI and cache then other options |
| 22:31.52 | tc | I can't see any Imperial/mph settings |
| 22:31.54 | peepsalot | bagpuss_thecat, hehe, reminds me of this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jej0XyD9IyA |
| 22:32.40 | peepsalot | "i see it has a metric speedometer, metric no imperial entanglements" |
| 22:32.48 | retracile | tc scroll down |
| 22:33.06 | Chox | tangogps so confused |
| 22:34.08 | tc | retracile_: inverted zoom, auto download map files, GPSD stuff, start pppd/gprs, "other stuff" and that's it |
| 22:34.29 | tc | have I got an older version? |
| 22:34.32 | SpeedEvil | tc: configure it to drop map tiles on /media/card/maps |
| 22:34.52 | tc | SpeedEvil: good idea :) Thanks! |
| 22:34.58 | Dave | eeeeeeeeeeeevil |
| 22:35.00 | Dave | Chox :D |
| 22:35.31 | bagpuss_thecat | peepsalot: classic :-) |
| 22:36.07 | uzytkownik | What's the proper way of starting gpsd? |
| 22:36.22 | error3 | /etc/init.d/gpsd start |
| 22:36.23 | error3 | ? |
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| 22:36.59 | tc | 'opkg list_installed | grep tango' == tangogps - 0.7-r1 |
| 22:37.38 | Chox | Dave: SHOULD NEVER COME HERE |
| 22:37.46 | tc | maybe I should install from tangogps.org, current version seems to be 0.9.2 |
| 22:38.02 | Chox | good idea |
| 22:38.04 | SpeedEvil | tangos tc. |
| 22:38.14 | tc | Thanks :) |
| 22:38.15 | SpeedEvil | removes the orange paint. |
| 22:38.24 | bagpuss_thecat | SpeedEvil: put your rubber chicken away |
| 22:38.42 | Dave | :D |
| 22:38.46 | Dave | tagos |
| 22:38.50 | uzytkownik | # /etc/init.d/gpsd start |
| 22:38.50 | uzytkownik | Starting gpsd: No /dev/ttyS3 GPS device, aborting gpsd startup. Check /etc/default/gpsd |
| 22:38.52 | SirBob1701 | opkg opgk list | grep qtopia |
| 22:39.14 | bagpuss_thecat | uzytkownik: did you edit the config file? |
| 22:39.21 | uzytkownik | No |
| 22:39.27 | tc | uzytkownik: you need to edit /etc/default/gpsd and change ttyS3 to ttySAC1 |
| 22:39.28 | Dave | uzytkownik: /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 22:39.37 | trix | uzy, from the wiki, echo "GPS_DEV=\"/dev/ttySAC1\"" > /etc/default/gpsd |
| 22:39.44 | bagpuss_thecat | uzytkownik: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gpsd#GPS_on_GTA02 |
| 22:39.46 | Dave | QUICK, EVERYONE ANSWER AT ONCE! |
| 22:39.57 | SpeedEvil | NO. It's /dev/tty/ttySAC0V3R9000 |
| 22:40.17 | tc | Dave: I've just been helped so I reckon I should be the first one to help! |
| 22:40.19 | bagpuss_thecat | SpeedEvil: edit the wiki pls :-) |
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| 22:40.58 | error3 | anyone succeed in make both phone and gprs working at the same time on o2007.2 ? |
| 22:40.59 | Zorkman | agpsgui on the ASU says have 1081992448 satellites, who does better? |
| 22:41.07 | edistar | Zorkman: not bad |
| 22:41.09 | Chox | heh |
| 22:41.16 | edistar | for a start.. |
| 22:41.18 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.19 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 22:41.26 | Chox | welcome to the intergalatic fedaration of GPS |
| 22:41.33 | Chox | er |
| 22:41.54 | Zorkman | the time is also $G:PV:TG, but in the logs ot looks like i have a fix |
| 22:41.54 | Chox | Federation |
| 22:41.54 | edistar | Zorkman: A,3? |
| 22:42.23 | Zorkman | A,3 ? what do you mean? |
| 22:44.27 | edistar | Zorkman: $GPGSA should tell you something about a,3 |
| 22:44.46 | edistar | puh, I very nearly borked my space key... |
| 22:44.51 | edistar | I would have killed myself :) |
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| 22:45.02 | tc | Can I get tangoGPS to ignore any movement less than 2 kph? Me and my couch apprently moved 200m in the last few minutes! |
| 22:45.10 | Chox | nice |
| 22:45.23 | Zorkman | tc: i know the feeling |
| 22:45.35 | Zorkman | feels like dancing ;p |
| 22:45.42 | Chox | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=620188251452001834&q=road+couch&ei=hbSHSKDnEIyarAPgzNm8CA&hl=en |
| 22:45.46 | Dave | haha |
| 22:45.50 | torpor | whats the best pdf viewer right now? |
| 22:46.02 | tc | Zorkman: haha |
| 22:46.57 | Toaster` | I have a networking question if someone has the time. |
| 22:47.10 | Chox | don't ask to ask :p |
| 22:47.41 | Zorkman | what is a good average db.Hz for a clear sky with the GPS? |
| 22:47.49 | edistar | Toaster`: go ahead! |
| 22:48.03 | edistar | Zorkman: ca 135 - 125dBm |
| 22:48.09 | Zorkman | Toaster`: i still have a little bit of time, but your quetions will only puzzle me |
| 22:48.30 | Toaster` | I've read the wiki, can connect to my FR, from my FR I can ping both usb0 and eth0 on my PC, but can't hit the router or anything external. Any one else find/resolve this issue? |
| 22:48.36 | Zorkman | edistar: agpsgui gives me 35db.Hz |
| 22:48.50 | SpeedEvil | Toaster`: search the wiki for ip_tables |
| 22:49.11 | edistar | Zorkman: press the bottom left button |
| 22:49.15 | edistar | Zorkman: so that you get dBm |
| 22:49.28 | Dave | speedevil |
| 22:49.36 | Dave | Are you offerring those protective things? |
| 22:49.39 | Dave | screen protectors? |
| 22:49.41 | edistar | Toaster`: use the dnrd server and script on the wiki |
| 22:49.43 | Dave | or freerunner condoms? |
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| 22:49.57 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.59 | SpeedEvil | even |
| 22:50.00 | SpeedEvil | Dave: yes |
| 22:50.03 | Dave | Cool |
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| 22:50.10 | Dave | Are they for sale? :) |
| 22:50.14 | SpeedEvil | Dave: tehy are. |
| 22:50.49 | Dave | Do you have an example of the merchandise? |
| 22:51.22 | Zorkman | SpeedEvil InvisibleShields or some other protectors? |
| 22:51.49 | SpeedEvil | holds up an invisible thing. |
| 22:51.55 | SpeedEvil | Dave: no, they are not. |
| 22:52.06 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shop:Speedevil |
| 22:52.12 | SpeedEvil | describes them somewhat fully |
| 22:52.22 | edistar | alphaone: ganz sicher grad? output*10^5 sollte dann grad ergeben? |
| 22:52.26 | edistar | sry.. |
| 22:52.51 | alphaone | edistar: Nein, einfach nur Grad sollten das sein |
| 22:53.04 | edistar | alphaone: ok, sry again |
| 22:53.46 | error3 | I'm in france, I've ordered the full protection from zag on 04 july and did not received it |
| 22:53.50 | error3 | is it normal ? |
| 22:53.59 | error3 | what do you think ? |
| 22:54.12 | Dave | ooh la la |
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| 22:54.15 | Dave | thanks |
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| 22:54.27 | Chox_ | ricers. |
| 22:54.38 | error3 | I also have 2 discount number, but don't know how to do with them... where could I put them ? |
| 22:55.22 | error3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.22 | AciD | error3 > what full protection, do you have a link ? |
| 22:55.22 | Dave | true, true |
| 22:55.22 | error3 | AciD: the full protection from Zagg... are there many one ? |
| 22:55.22 | Chox_ | is it Friday yet? |
| 22:55.22 | error3 | invisible shield.. |
| 22:55.48 | AciD | thursday |
| 22:55.50 | error3 | AciD: this one http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/openmoko-neo-freerunner-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php |
| 22:55.52 | Stroller | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.21 | Stroller | error3: you put the discount code in at checkout |
| 22:56.31 | Dave | invisiblecat |
| 22:56.38 | Dave | invisiblebicycle |
| 22:56.49 | AciD | gn |
| 22:56.56 | AciD | error3 > thx for the link |
| 22:57.13 | error3 | Stroller: I've already by and received 2 discount code... I think someone could want them... I don't know where put them for making someone using it |
| 22:57.20 | error3 | Stroller: Am I clearer ? |
| 22:57.27 | Stroller | Ah! Excuse me. |
| 22:57.29 | trix | is there any way to acquire the gps "alpha" fix? |
| 22:57.29 | error3 | ;) |
| 22:58.00 | error3 | and my numbers will be invalid on 04 august |
| 22:58.02 | cjb | trix: update kernel. |
| 22:58.04 | Stroller | People are posting them to community, but it kinda clutters the list. There are plenty enough to go around. I just wait until someone here needs one, then PM them. |
| 22:58.09 | error3 | so they are prioritaire :) |
| 22:58.12 | Dave | Speedevil, are there any available yet, or thoughts for a whole device protector of sorts? |
| 22:58.19 | error3 | ok |
| 22:58.23 | Dave | even if it's thin. |
| 22:58.23 | Chox_ | prophylactic! |
| 22:58.27 | error3 | thanks Stroller :) |
| 22:58.29 | Dave | or does that sound completely silly? |
| 22:58.30 | trix | cjb, i've done an opkg update/upgrade, is that fix in place? |
| 22:58.43 | Stroller | error3: someone suggested starting a wiki page, which I don't think is a bad idea. Take a code from the top, add yours to the bottom |
| 22:58.57 | error3 | ok |
| 22:59.00 | error3 | good idea :) |
| 22:59.05 | error3 | Stroller: and do you think it is normal that I haven't receive my protection since I've ordered it on 04 july |
| 22:59.12 | cjb | trix: if you've rebooted, should be |
| 22:59.17 | cjb | trix: you can check with cat /proc/version |
| 22:59.27 | Stroller | Actually there's someone commenting on that on -community, too |
| 22:59.28 | cjb | trix: should say no earlier than Jul 20 |
| 22:59.51 | Stroller | Mine is also well overdue, error3, but apparently some people have received them |
| 22:59.59 | error3 | ok |
| 23:00.04 | trix | Dave, you might check out http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/cell-phone/openmoko |
| 23:00.14 | error3 | Stroller: thank you very much :) |
| 23:00.21 | trix | cjb, thanks, checking now |
| 23:00.46 | SpeedEvil | Dave: I'd suggest http://www.freemanharding.co.uk/preserving.htm - waterproof too. |
| 23:00.55 | error3 | mmm |
| 23:01.13 | trix | rofl speedevil |
| 23:01.47 | trix | you should brand that the whole device protector, mark it up at least 300% and you're good to go |
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| 23:05.35 | trix | cjb, Jul 23 on the kernel version, no good gps fixes though |
| 23:05.57 | Sargun | Does standard GPSd take advantage of AGPS? |
| 23:06.12 | mjr | nno |
| 23:06.35 | Sargun | mjr, How do I take advantage of the AGPS other than the "Openmoko AGPS UI" |
| 23:06.50 | mjr | I'm not sure that that does either |
| 23:07.11 | Dave | Speedevil, you're trying to sell me a jar? |
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| 23:07.34 | error3 | Stroller: well... here's my first try of the wiki page for discount number on wiki |
| 23:07.37 | error3 | :) |
| 23:07.48 | error3 | my first real contribution to openmoko community :) |
| 23:08.06 | mjr | there was some how to page about agps and gprs setup but I don't recall the address |
| 23:08.11 | mjr | by somebody here, in any case |
| 23:09.08 | Dave | so Speedevil, your comments on that zagg thing was that it was a pos? |
| 23:09.24 | Dave | or only protects against minor scratches or something (which makes sense) |
| 23:09.27 | Dave | and dirt, of course :P |
| 23:09.32 | SpeedEvil | Dave: I have no comments, never having used their product. (other than in voodoo representations) |
| 23:09.42 | Dave | hrm |
| 23:09.51 | Zorkman | does campwifi normally work? i cant select a network |
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| 23:10.00 | edistar | Zorkman: it worked once for me |
| 23:10.05 | SirBob1701 | good question |
| 23:10.05 | edistar | but I wouldn't rely on it |
| 23:10.10 | edistar | it seems really buggy to me |
| 23:10.29 | edistar | and the narrow button at the bottom is really unuseable ;) |
| 23:10.33 | Stroller | error3: URL? |
| 23:10.38 | edistar | *unusable |
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| 23:10.42 | zandini_ | Have you ever seen this message during boot where it says something like "very bad programmer. spank spank spak. Now go fix the error"? |
| 23:11.06 | Sargun | lol |
| 23:11.09 | error3 | Stroller: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Zagg_Protection_Discount_Number |
| 23:11.15 | error3 | it's just a first draft |
| 23:11.26 | edistar | zandini_: yep, the usual efl errors |
| 23:11.27 | error3 | feel free to improve it |
| 23:11.30 | edistar | don't worry |
| 23:11.54 | mmaestri | how are you managing the wlan settings? |
| 23:12.21 | mmaestri | on 2007.2 |
| 23:13.38 | error3 | Stroller: it should be great to add the page in the good category |
| 23:13.43 | error3 | but I'm not good enough |
| 23:13.46 | zandini_ | edistar, what is efl? |
| 23:13.58 | error3 | and I really have no more time for this night to spend on it :/ |
| 23:14.16 | error3 | I'll try to do it tomorrow i |
| 23:14.55 | Stroller | error3: looks fine. What category should it be in? |
| 23:16.14 | error3 | Stroller: .... mmm Freerunner accessories ? |
| 23:16.18 | error3 | no ? |
| 23:16.24 | error3 | or something like that |
| 23:17.25 | Dave | voooodoooo |
| 23:17.33 | Chox_ | wall of. |
| 23:18.45 | error3 | good mjr :) |
| 23:18.45 | edistar | zandini_: the libs that e17 is based on.. |
| 23:19.03 | edistar | zandini_: and e17 is the wm of the ASU image |
| 23:19.22 | edistar | zandini_: you might have heard of illume, that's the module that makes e17 look the way it does in ASU |
| 23:19.25 | zandini_ | oh really? I thought that OM2007.2 didn't use e17. |
| 23:19.35 | edistar | zandini_: ASU, nur 2007.2 |
| 23:19.39 | edistar | s/nur/not |
| 23:19.43 | Stroller | error3: I don't see that category |
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| 23:20.04 | error3 | Stroller: perhaps we should add one |
| 23:20.05 | edistar | zandini_: are you running 2007.2? |
| 23:20.09 | error3 | where we put |
| 23:20.15 | zandini_ | edistar, yeah.. that's the thing.. I thought I compiled & flashed OM2007 :-D |
| 23:20.18 | error3 | zagg protection, HR car holder |
| 23:20.20 | error3 | and so on |
| 23:20.23 | edistar | zandini_: what's the image called? |
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| 23:20.44 | edistar | zandini_: hehe, is it all black or is it orange etc? |
| 23:20.45 | FreoNeo | how do you delete with the ASU keyboard? All I see is text |
| 23:20.54 | edistar | FreoNeo: swipe to the left |
| 23:20.58 | zandini_ | edistar, Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080723-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 23:21.11 | edistar | zandini_: okey, that's 2007.2 alright.. |
| 23:21.16 | edistar | zandini_: when do you get those errors/ |
| 23:21.17 | edistar | ? |
| 23:21.18 | Chox_ | and a skip to the right |
| 23:21.21 | Stroller | mjr: are those your discount codes, or did you get them from somewhere else? |
| 23:21.21 | Chox_ | let's do the time warp again |
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| 23:21.43 | zandini_ | edistar, during the first boot up after flashing. Dang. I wish I took a screenshot. |
| 23:21.53 | zandini_ | or take a picture. |
| 23:21.57 | edistar | zandini_: aaaah! that's exquisite |
| 23:22.07 | edistar | zandini_: the psplash replacement |
| 23:22.10 | FreoNeo | edistar, and symbols? |
| 23:22.19 | edistar | FreoNeo: symbol? no symbol |
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| 23:22.30 | edistar | FreoNeo: just swipe a considerable distance |
| 23:22.37 | FreoNeo | thanks |
| 23:22.37 | edistar | from right to left |
| 23:22.57 | edistar | zandini_: exquisite is written with efl libs too.. |
| 23:23.07 | zandini_ | edistar, is 2007.2 still being worked on? Or has everyone moved to ASU and/or Qtopia? |
| 23:23.11 | edistar | zandini_: those lovely boots, right? |
| 23:23.14 | Stroller | error3: I would propose discussion on the documentation mailing list before adding a category |
| 23:23.16 | zandini_ | edistar, yeah :-) |
| 23:23.25 | edistar | zandini_: OM is only working on ASU |
| 23:23.29 | edistar | and FSO.. |
| 23:23.52 | edistar | zandini_: but there is the SHR project that aims to port all the dialer/sms apps to FSO and stick to 2007.2 gui |
| 23:24.32 | zandini_ | edistar, I see. So if I wanted to work on bleeding edge OM, I should focus on ASU then? |
| 23:25.01 | edistar | zandini_: depends on what you want to work? |
| 23:25.53 | edistar | zandini_: *work on |
| 23:25.53 | zandini_ | edistar, I want to make a customized OM image with some custom default graphics and maybe additionl apps. |
| 23:26.04 | edistar | zandini_: okey, use ASU then |
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| 23:27.28 | zandini_ | edistar, Thanks :-) Is QT/Qtopia the way that OM is moving toward now? |
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| 23:28.46 | edistar | zandini_: I think that OM will drop qtopia as soon as possible ;) |
| 23:29.01 | edistar | which doesn't mean that you can't use qt apps, just that the middleware won't be qtopia |
| 23:29.31 | edistar | they are working on a middleware called FSO right now and it is looking very promising.. (I'm using a tiny part myself right now) |
| 23:29.45 | edistar | communication is done via dbus, very intelligent approach |
| 23:29.59 | Zorkman | sets himself in amp -s and hopes he doesn't bleed to death overnight |
| 23:30.04 | Zorkman | goodnight everyone |
| 23:30.14 | edistar | Zorkman: watch out for memory leaks ;) |
| 23:30.18 | edistar | Zorkman: good night |
| 23:32.24 | zandini_ | FSO sounds interesting. It seems that FSO currently only supports QT though. |
| 23:33.41 | zandini_ | I tried out the qtopia image from qtopia.net, and it seems pretty fast & stable.. Is the OM still planning to use GTK as the main application toolkit? Or is QT looking more promising? |
| 23:33.49 | SirBob1701 | lol they took the button out to bring up a keyboard in teh ASU but never finished the stuff so it automatically pops up again lol |
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| 23:36.45 | kelvie_work | zandini_: I think they abandoned GTK more or less |
| 23:37.04 | edistar | n8@all |
| 23:37.26 | zandini_ | I see... |
| 23:38.32 | kelvie_work | zandini_: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080522-openmoko-linux-mobile-phone-ditches-gtk-gets-qt-and-e17.html |
| 23:39.09 | kelvie_work | which is good news for me because I know Qt like the back of my hand :P |
| 23:42.11 | Sargun | Where can we get a development environment with Qt? |
| 23:44.11 | andreas | http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ <-- I found this helpful. |
| 23:44.35 | andreas | Essentially, the strategy is to be UI-agnostic for 3rd party applications. |
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| 23:46.28 | chillywilly | headphones don't work on my phone |
| 23:46.39 | chillywilly | still plays thing out of the speakers when I plug them in |
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| 23:51.55 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r240305fdd021 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update efl and illume |
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