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| 00:02.04 | Centaur5 | SirBob1701: alright, I'll just keep waiting. Got my spares pack today so I should last an entire day with a phone now. |
| 00:02.13 | davi | Will GTA03 be able to use the added camera to play and record video? |
| 00:03.01 | SirBob1701 | Centaur5: ya i'm thinking of getting them. hows the little baggy thing? lol |
| 00:03.29 | kd8ikt | hey carrar |
| 00:03.37 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 00:03.39 | carrar | yes sir |
| 00:03.50 | carrar | err |
| 00:03.51 | kd8ikt | i'm still messing with that script |
| 00:03.52 | carrar | hi! |
| 00:03.55 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=GTA02_WLAN_AUTO |
| 00:03.56 | carrar | heh |
| 00:04.07 | carrar | I need to put it in a array |
| 00:04.13 | kd8ikt | i need more bash scripting knowledge |
| 00:04.38 | SpeedEvil | while true |
| 00:04.38 | SpeedEvil | do |
| 00:04.40 | SpeedEvil | man bash |
| 00:04.41 | SpeedEvil | done |
| 00:04.49 | edistar | nice one :) |
| 00:05.03 | kd8ikt | SpeedEvil: if you think your so hawt checkout my script sofar |
| 00:05.05 | edistar | scripting is more fun in python |
| 00:05.30 | Centaur5 | SirBob1701: Umm...I don't think I'll ever use it. I have an invisible shield on the way. |
| 00:05.33 | kd8ikt | think you can add to it? |
| 00:05.40 | SpeedEvil | davi: no - the camera will only be used to sense colour for matching paint samples. |
| 00:05.55 | SpeedEvil | k: where is this script? |
| 00:06.22 | davi | SpeedEvil, I see, only photos? |
| 00:06.39 | SpeedEvil | davi: it should be able to do video too - of some form. |
| 00:06.50 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=GTA02_WLAN_AUTO |
| 00:06.51 | davi | good news! |
| 00:07.04 | davi | thanks SpeedEvil |
| 00:07.58 | Stroller | kd8ikt: break lines ("for AP ") by putting "\" at the end of them |
| 00:08.28 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 00:08.46 | kd8ikt | they already get output as one ap per line |
| 00:09.03 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: I'd use awk |
| 00:09.14 | kd8ikt | there is some awk thrown in |
| 00:09.18 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: string matching in bash is nasty |
| 00:09.46 | Stroller | kd8ikt: please test the changes I've just made |
| 00:10.13 | carrar | kd8ikt, have you verified by using iwconfig with any as the essid and encryption set to off that it just doesn't already do that? |
| 00:10.18 | kd8ikt | its not gonna rm -rf me is it? |
| 00:10.26 | kd8ikt | yes i've tried that |
| 00:10.31 | Stroller | kd8ikt: it's probably also better not to grep your pings, but test exit status |
| 00:10.52 | kd8ikt | dunno why it doesnt work essid "any" |
| 00:11.00 | Stroller | Although I think it's naughty to try pinging an arbitrary host. |
| 00:11.00 | kd8ikt | would mnake life a lot easier |
| 00:11.12 | kd8ikt | just 1 ping |
| 00:11.13 | Stroller | IMO you could find the default gateway and ping that |
| 00:11.15 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: also - grep 'received' | awk -F',' '{ print $2 }' | awk '{ print $1 } |
| 00:11.28 | kd8ikt | one ping only --sean connery red october |
| 00:11.33 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: = awk '/recieved/{print $3}' |
| 00:11.55 | Stroller | There's no separation of host name resolution & routing failures |
| 00:11.56 | SirBob1701 | anyone know the timezone of http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/ |
| 00:12.40 | Stroller | kd8ikt: 1 ping or 100 it doesn't make a difference. You should probably be testing exit status, not output. See http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/exit-status.html |
| 00:12.49 | carrar | Sirbob, IP belongs to Taiwan |
| 00:12.54 | SirBob1701 | ok |
| 00:12.56 | SirBob1701 | thanks |
| 00:13.37 | carrar | actually |
| 00:13.45 | carrar | that or Germany :) |
| 00:13.54 | SirBob1701 | haha |
| 00:14.08 | carrar | inetnum: 78.47.190.208 - 78.47.190.215 |
| 00:14.08 | carrar | netname: FIRST-INTERNATIONAL-COMPUTER-INC |
| 00:14.09 | carrar | descr: First International Computer, Inc. |
| 00:14.09 | carrar | country: DE |
| 00:14.14 | carrar | person: Sean Moss-Pultz |
| 00:14.15 | carrar | address: First International Computer, Inc. |
| 00:14.15 | carrar | address: 300, Yang Guang Street |
| 00:14.15 | carrar | address: 114 Taipei |
| 00:14.15 | carrar | address: TAIWAN, PROVINCE OF CHINA |
| 00:14.25 | carrar | traceroute to it |
| 00:14.26 | kd8ikt | FIC! |
| 00:14.39 | carrar | Germany |
| 00:14.47 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 00:14.51 | carrar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.52 | carrar | 10 savitri.openmoko.org (213.133.111.153) 185.387 ms 185.125 ms 185.355 ms |
| 00:14.52 | carrar | 11 buildhost.openmoko.org (78.47.190.211) 187.254 ms 185.010 ms 185.403 ms |
| 00:14.57 | edistar | lol |
| 00:15.02 | edistar | funny |
| 00:15.14 | edistar | via a german provider |
| 00:15.27 | SirBob1701 | i guess whatevers cheap |
| 00:15.28 | kd8ikt | savage? |
| 00:15.34 | brian__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:17.23 | SirBob1701 | AHAHAHAHA refresh and the buggers up :D |
| 00:17.27 | LittleIdiot | ...and not controlled by the chinese government |
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| 00:19.34 | SirBob1701 | still a couple minutes till image update but kernel is up http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/ |
| 00:19.54 | kd8ikt | dunno SpeedEvil |
| 00:19.59 | SirBob1701 | just opkg upgraded and illume updates and so forth even diversity |
| 00:20.12 | SirBob1701 | does gpsd conflict with diversity? cause i haven't gotten a TIFF with it |
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| 00:21.24 | kd8ikt | i'm more confused now then when i was confused |
| 00:22.21 | SirBob1701 | is there a changelog for ASU anywhere? |
| 00:22.31 | SirBob1701 | i'm gonna want to keep an eye on that if i start deving for it |
| 00:24.58 | kd8ikt | although i did learn about the if do junk |
| 00:25.30 | kd8ikt | my scripts have always lacked loops |
| 00:26.20 | kd8ikt | like just now i freehanded for AP in $(iwlist eth0 scanning | awk -F '[ :=]+' '/(ESS|Freq|Qual)/{ printf $3" " } /Encr/{ print $4 }' \ | sort -k4 -k3nr |grep off \ |awk ' iwlist eth0 scanning | awk -F '[ :=]+' '/(ESS|Freq|Qual)/{ printf $3" " } /Encr/{ print $4 }' \ | sort -k4 -k3nr |grep off |awk '{print $1}'{print $1}'); do |
| 00:26.30 | kd8ikt | whoopz wrong paste |
| 00:26.35 | SirBob1701 | lol |
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| 00:26.50 | kd8ikt | for hell in $(opkg list_installed |grep perl|awk '{print $1}') ; do opkg remove $hell |
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| 00:27.04 | kd8ikt | to remove a bunch of unneeded perl packages i accidently installed |
| 00:27.08 | SirBob1701 | kd8ikt: guess you don't know oop? |
| 00:27.12 | kd8ikt | no |
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| 00:28.18 | Infinyte1 | Hrm.. Is there a special browser for QTopia somewhere? |
| 00:29.30 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: I'd suggest a modification after my earlier code. After man bash add man awk. |
| 00:29.48 | kd8ikt | :( |
| 00:30.02 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: as a first cut |
| 00:30.21 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: grep foo|awk '{whatever}' = awk '/foo/{whatever}' |
| 00:30.21 | kd8ikt | one could spend months learning about those |
| 00:30.39 | kd8ikt | yea find/ replacement |
| 00:30.56 | SpeedEvil | No - that's a pattern. |
| 00:32.35 | SpeedEvil | awk breaks the input into lines, then applies it to each pattern in turn. If it matches, then the pattern is executed. |
| 00:32.56 | Infinyte1 | Anyone here use the QTopia on their Freerunner? :3 |
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| 00:34.37 | SirBob1701 | why can't they stay steady with the ASU keyboard? why |
| 00:34.38 | ljp | i do |
| 00:35.04 | ljp | a browser will be available in the upcoming qtopia 4.4 release in a few weeks |
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| 00:35.12 | Infinyte1 | Ahh |
| 00:37.04 | chillywilly | sweet |
| 00:37.17 | chillywilly | ljp: does it use WebKit? |
| 00:38.03 | kelvie_work | oooh qtopia 4.4 is coming out soon? |
| 00:38.14 | jagernot | any thoughts on maemo and openmoko? |
| 00:38.15 | Centaur5 | Is the only way to silent the phone by editing /etc/pulse/session and commenting the line with ringer.wav? |
| 00:38.25 | kelvie_work | so I can use arora with it then I'd assume :p |
| 00:38.29 | SirBob1701 | Centaur5: 2007.2? |
| 00:39.25 | Centaur5 | SirBob1701: yes |
| 00:41.34 | SirBob1701 | hmm thought there was a package fore it but doesn't loook it. so yes |
| 00:42.32 | jagernot | anybody know any webpages that compare maemo and openmoko platform please? thanks |
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| 00:43.07 | Bish | hey guyze |
| 00:43.31 | Stroller | jagernot: maemo won't have any drivers for phone hardware |
| 00:43.51 | Centaur5 | SirBob1701: Okay, I guess I'll just wait for that feature too. :) |
| 00:44.16 | jagernot | stroller: mean maemo is not a phone platform? |
| 00:44.20 | Bish | i've received my freerunner today, do i have to upgrade to an new rootfs/kernel? |
| 00:44.51 | chillywilly | no, you have to ship me your phone |
| 00:44.53 | Stroller | jagernot: if I'm reading it correctly, maemo is the platform for the Nokia N800 tablets |
| 00:44.57 | chillywilly | ;P |
| 00:45.04 | chillywilly | you don't *have* to do anything |
| 00:45.07 | Bish | chillywilly: :D |
| 00:45.27 | Bish | do ihave to upgrade to a new rootfs/kernel if i want to do something with the mobilephone :P |
| 00:45.31 | Stroller | jagernot: the Nokia N800 stuff is noticeably lacking actual phone features, substituting nstead VoIP over wifi |
| 00:45.53 | Stroller | Bish: did you read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart ? |
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| 00:46.13 | Bish | i did but i thought of a new openmoko version or something |
| 00:46.20 | jagernot | stroller: hmm so its a sort of second class citizen then without phone hardware drivers |
| 00:47.14 | SpeedEvil | jagernot: err - no. |
| 00:47.21 | SpeedEvil | jagernot: there is no phone hardware. |
| 00:47.31 | Bish | Stroller: so i already have the newest roofs+kernel ? with gpsd patch? |
| 00:48.01 | Infinyte1 | There any way to test whether WAP is working on Qtopia? |
| 00:48.07 | jagernot | ok i get it now :) |
| 00:48.19 | jagernot | but other than that is it as open as openmoko? |
| 00:48.20 | Stroller | Bish: you can update to quite recent simply by using `opgk update && opkg upgrade`. Also read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 00:48.27 | Bish | ah i c |
| 00:48.37 | Bish | Stroller: what about the qtopia things? |
| 00:49.02 | SirBob1701 | am i the only one using the ASU daily? |
| 00:49.22 | Bish | SirBob1701: thats what i wanted to ask |
| 00:49.23 | Stroller | jagernot: you could maybe get maemo running on the Freerunner, but it would, by default be missing a lot of stuff required to use the Freerunner as a phone |
| 00:49.28 | SirBob1701 | Bish: haha |
| 00:49.33 | SirBob1701 | Bish: don't upgrade rightn ow |
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| 00:49.39 | Bish | SirBob1701: why? |
| 00:49.42 | SirBob1701 | it blasts away keybaord |
| 00:49.45 | Centaur5 | SirBob1701: I'm tempted to update to it but I need to know that it will work daily as it's my only phone. :) |
| 00:49.55 | Bish | funny :) |
| 00:50.04 | SirBob1701 | I'm downgrading back to yesterday's image |
| 00:50.12 | SirBob1701 | one on the 18th did the same thing |
| 00:50.41 | Bish | is there a howto about upgrading to newest image? |
| 00:50.43 | SirBob1701 | 21'st has a little button so you can open keyboard whenever but that keyboard doesn't have the cool dictionary look up but the whole thing runs a shitload faster |
| 00:50.57 | SirBob1701 | you can do it with opkg update opkg upgrade or flash the sucker |
| 00:51.03 | SirBob1701 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 00:51.06 | Bish | thanks |
| 00:51.16 | Bish | i hope there is no way too flash uboot :D |
| 00:51.17 | SirBob1701 | keep an eye here http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ |
| 00:51.27 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 00:51.34 | SirBob1701 | i'm flashing kenrel dailyish too |
| 00:51.47 | Bish | SirBob1701: do u use freerunner as your first phone? |
| 00:51.48 | SirBob1701 | i'll prolly burn the memory out of the phone in a year haha |
| 00:51.50 | fuzzyt | SirBob1701: sorry to jump in late, but what image are you running? ASU? |
| 00:51.57 | SirBob1701 | Bish: ya my work phone is my extreme backup |
| 00:52.01 | SirBob1701 | fuzzyt: ya |
| 00:52.10 | Bish | :D |
| 00:52.28 | jagernot | anybody know if the touchscreen on freerunner is pressure sensitive? |
| 00:52.39 | SirBob1701 | i think it is jagernot |
| 00:52.57 | Infinyte1 | Anyone know the release date for Qtopia 4.4.x? |
| 00:53.29 | SirBob1701 | Bish: i think you can flash uboot i just don't ever run anything with that line in it. though the NOR is to recover from screwing that up |
| 00:54.14 | Bish | uff i hope i will never brick my freerunner |
| 00:54.18 | jagernot | and finally i do audio synthesis programming on linux with portaudio...what do i do to get the audio subsystem on freerunner |
| 00:54.44 | SirBob1701 | depends on the distro |
| 00:54.57 | SirBob1701 | 2007.2 uses pulseaudio. ASU ripped it out |
| 00:55.08 | SirBob1701 | Bish: i think NOR is so you can't brick it |
| 00:55.18 | SirBob1701 | any one know if there is a change log for ASU development? |
| 00:55.34 | jagernot | pulseaudio ripped out..was something else put in place? :D |
| 00:55.59 | Bish | so if i boot AUX and THEN power.. i wont brick it :P |
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| 00:56.07 | Bish | SirBob1701: would u help me a little bit? |
| 00:56.16 | SirBob1701 | Bish: sure what do you need? |
| 00:56.29 | Bish | SirBob1701: i want to upgrade to the newest! |
| 00:56.35 | SirBob1701 | newest what? lol |
| 00:56.41 | Bish | imagae |
| 00:56.53 | Bish | s/imagae/image |
| 00:56.54 | SirBob1701 | we'll put you one day back as teh 22nd ones fucked |
| 00:56.55 | SirBob1701 | haha |
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| 00:57.11 | SirBob1701 | Bish: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080721/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080721-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 00:57.14 | Bish | okay :) |
| 00:57.14 | SirBob1701 | download that |
| 00:57.30 | Bish | okay ..:) |
| 00:57.33 | Bish | is the kernel included? |
| 00:57.43 | SirBob1701 | no i'm testing it in a minute |
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| 00:58.50 | igor321 | hai guiz |
| 00:59.00 | igor321 | what's the status on suspend? |
| 00:59.01 | SirBob1701 | i might write a script for installing asu programs |
| 00:59.13 | SirBob1701 | suspend seems to be good in ASU for me |
| 00:59.17 | SirBob1701 | jumps right back |
| 00:59.21 | igor321 | kÄ |
| 00:59.24 | igor321 | oh nice |
| 00:59.25 | Bish | SirBob1701: so i downloadet the latest image? |
| 00:59.29 | SirBob1701 | ya |
| 00:59.42 | SirBob1701 | Bish: what desktop distro you running? |
| 01:00.16 | Bish | gentoo |
| 01:00.51 | SirBob1701 | Bish: download this kernel http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/uImage-2.6.24+git23+1d04b142ffeaa15129f046751f1366b0f0614f47-r0-om-gta02.bin |
| 01:01.19 | Bish | the first link u gave me is the rootfs , isnt it? SirBob1701 ? |
| 01:01.39 | SirBob1701 | yup |
| 01:02.13 | Bish | okay.. |
| 01:02.29 | Bish | okay.. |
| 01:02.50 | Bish | :) haha fine i love that |
| 01:03.43 | SirBob1701 | ok so we'll flash your kerel first. do you have dfu-util yet? |
| 01:04.02 | Bish | i already did that :) |
| 01:04.06 | Bish | downloading the rootfs right now |
| 01:04.09 | SirBob1701 | haha sweet |
| 01:04.24 | russellb | Has anyone run into a problem with their FR where after letting the battery die, it refuses to charge or turn on, even when plugged in? |
| 01:04.41 | SirBob1701 | russellb: i think thats a common issue |
| 01:04.51 | Bish | i like that :) |
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| 01:04.59 | Bish | ASU is the newer OM , am i right? |
| 01:05.17 | russellb | SirBob1701: yeah, i've seen a few reports on the list, but not much of a solution except from people that happened to have an extra, charged battery around. |
| 01:05.43 | SirBob1701 | ya kinda fed up if you ask me |
| 01:06.11 | russellb | SirBob1701: fed up with the issue? |
| 01:06.21 | Bish | can i find the source of dfu_util somewhere? |
| 01:06.27 | SirBob1701 | think more vulger lol russellb |
| 01:06.37 | russellb | oic. |
| 01:06.51 | SirBob1701 | Bish: probably why do you want it? |
| 01:06.57 | russellb | i'm just kind of bummed ... i haven't had much time to work on it, and now i can't even get it on. sort of a show stopper :) |
| 01:07.01 | mmontour | russellb: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#PMU.2FCharger_Issue |
| 01:07.08 | russellb | mmontour: thanks for the linkage |
| 01:07.36 | Bish | SirBob1701: just because .. freerunner is open.. if i use tools which are not open..i wont have to buy a "free" phoen |
| 01:08.51 | SirBob1701 | oo |
| 01:08.56 | mmontour | Bish: just look at the bitbake recipe for dfu-util-native - it will have a link to the source |
| 01:09.04 | Bish | thanks |
| 01:09.12 | Bish | so dfu_util is not an om invention? |
| 01:09.42 | carrar | russellb, you writting a IAX client for openmoko :) |
| 01:09.45 | Bish | man im beginning to like that shit :) |
| 01:10.02 | carrar | or perhaps there already is one |
| 01:10.04 | russellb | carrar: trying to ... |
| 01:10.09 | carrar | right on |
| 01:10.10 | russellb | carrar: not a working one, yet |
| 01:10.16 | carrar | heh |
| 01:10.20 | carrar | damn |
| 01:10.51 | carrar | I'll take broke |
| 01:11.00 | carrar | heh |
| 01:11.02 | russellb | i've got two other developers that have the hw, or are getting it in soon, that are also interested. so, it's coming |
| 01:11.18 | carrar | let me know if you need testers :) |
| 01:11.21 | SirBob1701 | did they update how to set up a qemu envirometn yet? |
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| 01:11.40 | russellb | carrar: of course. we'll post to the lists as stuff becomes available .. |
| 01:11.42 | SirBob1701 | i want to work on ASU. Also dont know how to contact anyone working on asu lol |
| 01:11.50 | carrar | be a nice wifi sip phone |
| 01:12.08 | carrar | or even over bluetooth |
| 01:13.05 | mmontour | Bish: (just looked it up) it's in the OM SVN tree under trunk/src/host/dfu-util/ |
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| 01:17.32 | russellb | Hm, I don't have an extra battery. I think I'm going to attempt manually charging it ... |
| 01:17.53 | Bish | SirBob1701: there it goes :) |
| 01:17.55 | SirBob1701 | how do you do that? |
| 01:18.01 | SirBob1701 | Bish: :) |
| 01:19.10 | Bish | i like asu.. |
| 01:19.17 | SirBob1701 | its alot faster |
| 01:19.29 | SirBob1701 | i'm working on a list of packages you probably want to make it even better |
| 01:19.33 | Bish | assasin is like... opkg ? |
| 01:19.48 | Bish | fuking like that |
| 01:19.57 | SirBob1701 | ya it is |
| 01:20.08 | Bish | so asu will be OM? |
| 01:20.16 | SirBob1701 | probably |
| 01:20.17 | Bish | or is asu only the codename for the WM? |
| 01:20.26 | Bish | ah ic |
| 01:21.39 | SirBob1701 | illume is the wm |
| 01:24.26 | Bish | i like that |
| 01:25.07 | Bish | so... rootfs and kernel are on own partitions? |
| 01:25.23 | Bish | dont likes to read manuals.. at this moment |
| 01:25.29 | SirBob1701 | lol i guess |
| 01:27.52 | Bish | but illume is quite buggy uhm? |
| 01:27.59 | SirBob1701 | Bish: once they get the dictionary back on keyboard it'll be even better |
| 01:28.10 | SirBob1701 | how so ? |
| 01:28.28 | Bish | :) but i lie it |
| 01:32.22 | Bish | SirBob1701: does it have a terminal? |
| 01:34.02 | SirBob1701 | i use openmoko-terminal2 (gtk) and write a .desktop file for it |
| 01:34.46 | swc|666 | muhahaha... got my usb card to inject packets |
| 01:36.24 | Bish | SirBob1701: hm, okay |
| 01:36.40 | Bish | so asu is more in developement then gtk+ openmoko |
| 01:36.45 | Bish | but its more useful at the moment? |
| 01:36.51 | SirBob1701 | ya kinda funny isn't it? |
| 01:37.00 | Bish | yeah it is :) |
| 01:37.06 | Bish | i like that freaking black evil desing |
| 01:37.13 | Bish | u want to call me? |
| 01:37.27 | SirBob1701 | evil desing? |
| 01:37.35 | SirBob1701 | whats your number lol see if your long distance :P |
| 01:37.37 | Bish | can i download openmoko-teriminal via assasin? |
| 01:37.41 | Bish | germany :D |
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| 01:37.44 | SirBob1701 | Bish: na have to login |
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| 01:37.51 | Bish | that sux |
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| 01:37.54 | SirBob1701 | assassin only shows certain qtopia apps at the moment |
| 01:38.06 | Bish | that sux , should have any terminal |
| 01:38.16 | carrar | ok new code works, now to try with my SIM |
| 01:38.42 | Bish | does this version already have the gpsd fix for the sd clock SirBob1701 ? |
| 01:38.59 | SirBob1701 | no idea |
| 01:39.04 | SirBob1701 | i've been playing with that to figure out |
| 01:39.09 | SirBob1701 | gotta check diversity in a minute |
| 01:39.47 | Bish | thats kinda nice |
| 01:40.03 | Bish | so kernel and rootfs have own partitions , that u can write with dfu_util :P |
| 01:40.47 | SirBob1701 | yup |
| 01:41.03 | Bish | it wont take my phonenumbers from sim-card? |
| 01:41.22 | carrar | w00t workin! |
| 01:41.54 | Bish | i like the asu image more, but i think i will downgrade to gtk+ |
| 01:42.02 | Bish | just because. terminal and apps like the brwoser |
| 01:42.12 | Bish | but i really like that black design ! |
| 01:43.01 | SirBob1701 | you can install minimo |
| 01:43.03 | SirBob1701 | it works fine |
| 01:43.12 | SirBob1701 | and i can give you a .desktop so openmoko-terminal2 works |
| 01:43.14 | Bish | what about the media player :D? |
| 01:43.21 | Elleo | Bish: you can install the terminal |
| 01:43.23 | SirBob1701 | there is a qtopia media player |
| 01:43.28 | Bish | i have a little problem with my internet connection |
| 01:43.31 | Elleo | but you also need to install, enable and tweak the gtk theme |
| 01:43.31 | Bish | my wlan is down at this moment |
| 01:43.36 | Bish | and my usb0 bridge doesnt work :P |
| 01:43.44 | Elleo | ah |
| 01:43.52 | Bish | withouth terminal i wont get this working |
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| 01:44.19 | Bish | and it wont get my contacts from simcard |
| 01:44.20 | Bish | that sux too |
| 01:44.51 | Elleo | by default it should bring up usb0 as 192.168.0.202 when it's connected |
| 01:45.06 | Bish | hehe .. and root password? |
| 01:45.15 | SirBob1701 | anything haha |
| 01:45.17 | retracile | *cough* empty *cough* |
| 01:45.17 | Bish | hehe "boot"ing.. thats funny |
| 01:45.18 | Elleo | you should be able to do any configuration necessary from your main machine |
| 01:45.18 | Elleo | Bish: none |
| 01:45.18 | SirBob1701 | its so very secure |
| 01:45.36 | Bish | *typing empty* |
| 01:45.40 | Bish | no empty is the wrong password |
| 01:45.43 | Bish | :) |
| 01:46.02 | SirBob1701 | http://pastebin.ca/1079026 |
| 01:46.05 | SirBob1701 | Bish: i suggest them |
| 01:46.39 | Bish | and if i want to flash the uboot i want to get in the nand menu, right? |
| 01:46.41 | mmontour | Actually you can log in by typing "empty" (or anything else) as the password |
| 01:46.47 | Bish | wants never to brick his freerunner |
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| 01:47.53 | Bish | the qtopia version has opkg too? |
| 01:47.59 | Bish | so assasin is just a frontend? |
| 01:48.04 | Bish | (thanks for ya support man) |
| 01:48.05 | SirBob1701 | yup |
| 01:48.18 | Bish | dont have internet yet for opkg |
| 01:48.31 | mmontour | Bish: you should boot from the NOR u-boot if you are going to update the NAND version (mainly to confirm that booting from NOR actually works, as a few units seem to have been shipped without the NOR programmed correctly) |
| 01:49.20 | Bish | mmontour: i just want to know which action results a brick |
| 01:50.02 | SirBob1701 | Bish: were you able to get a gps lock with your 2007.2 install? |
| 01:50.19 | mmontour | As long as your NOR copy is programmed correctly, you can't brick it unless you use a debug board |
| 01:50.27 | Bish | SirBob1701: didnt try it yet |
| 01:50.51 | Bish | whats about NAND modu, i want to brick it with that eiter? |
| 01:51.59 | SirBob1701 | i wanna get freaking gps working. hoping my antenna isn't fubared. |
| 01:52.14 | Bish | gps is quite unimportand for me |
| 01:52.20 | Bish | but i wud be a nice feature :) |
| 01:52.27 | SirBob1701 | its a reason i bought the damn phone lol |
| 01:53.07 | Bish | haha if u give me 100 $ i will swap :P |
| 01:53.07 | Dave | pizza pizza pizza |
| 01:53.20 | SirBob1701 | lol i have to see if its broke first :P |
| 01:53.29 | SirBob1701 | mmontour: do you know how to set the gtk theme on the ASU? |
| 01:53.43 | mmontour | no idea. |
| 01:53.48 | Bish | man thats just great |
| 01:53.53 | Bish | i raelly really like it |
| 01:53.58 | Bish | im awesomet ! |
| 01:54.07 | SirBob1701 | lol told you |
| 01:54.14 | Dave | awesome_t is not a valid type :p |
| 01:54.20 | Bish | :D i know |
| 01:54.26 | Dave | OR IS IT! |
| 01:54.29 | Bish | im german, and im drunk |
| 01:54.30 | Elleo | SirBob1701: have you tried removing your micro-SD card before attempting a GPS fix? |
| 01:54.33 | Dave | starts coding the open awesome library |
| 01:54.47 | Bish | so excuse my bad english |
| 01:54.47 | SirBob1701 | Elleo: once but didn't wait long let me try |
| 01:55.27 | Elleo | that's the common problem across all FreeRunners (for which there's a software fix in the latest kernel) |
| 01:56.14 | Elleo | although apparently a few also have bad antenna connections |
| 01:56.43 | SirBob1701 | Elleo: i installed this kernel http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/ |
| 01:56.49 | SirBob1701 | err the one in that folder |
| 01:57.27 | Bish | SirBob1701: i would like to type with my fingers, wont be able to do that, uhà |
| 01:57.29 | Elleo | that should have the gps fix then |
| 01:57.53 | SirBob1701 | Elleo: does diversity actually get a fix or is that still unimplemented? |
| 01:58.14 | Elleo | no idea, I haven't used diversity; install the openmoko-agpsui and test with that |
| 01:58.28 | Elleo | that'll give you full info |
| 01:58.38 | Bish | haha like that installing animation of qtopia |
| 01:59.06 | Bish | thats awesome , man xD |
| 01:59.24 | SirBob1701 | Elleo: i'm running agps how long should a fix take? cold start? |
| 01:59.34 | Elleo | SirBob1701: are you outside? |
| 01:59.36 | Bish | SirBob1701: 10 mins, if your gpsd |
| 01:59.40 | SirBob1701 | Elleo: inside |
| 01:59.41 | Bish | is broken like all the others :p |
| 01:59.49 | Elleo | within about a minute outside |
| 01:59.59 | Elleo | inside you're likely to have trouble regardless |
| 02:00.22 | SirBob1701 | Elleo: ok i'll have to go outside and play with it. So goodnight all until tommorrow night |
| 02:00.25 | SirBob1701 | :D |
| 02:00.28 | Elleo | night :) |
| 02:00.29 | Elleo | good luck |
| 02:00.34 | Bish | same to u |
| 02:00.35 | SirBob1701 | thanks :) |
| 02:01.06 | Bish | is thinking about going to bed with snake on his side.. fuck yes |
| 02:03.27 | Dave | o_O |
| 02:03.44 | Bish | Dave: the qtopia game :p |
| 02:03.55 | Dave | OH |
| 02:08.14 | Bish | haha /me alrready broke the system |
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| 02:08.41 | nite613 | Are the new qtopia packages in the tree useful yet? |
| 02:08.49 | nite613 | Or is dual booting to qtopia the better plan? |
| 02:09.19 | Bish | nite613: im just trying them out at this moment |
| 02:09.40 | Bish | until now i would say dualbooting is the best but wait a second |
| 02:10.01 | nite613 | Waiting |
| 02:12.34 | nite613 | actually, all the packages are installed, now just to sort out how to try... |
| 02:18.58 | retracile | Ok, so I have a large task ahead of me... if anyone has clues, I'm all ears. Here goes: |
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| 02:19.29 | retracile | The keyboard on the FR is ... not ideal, shall we say. I see the instructions for replacing it, but... |
| 02:19.55 | retracile | I'd like to incorporate that into a customized "branch" of openmoko. |
| 02:20.03 | retracile | Any clues as to where I'd start? |
| 02:20.32 | Stroller | retracile: bear with me |
| 02:20.48 | Stroller | I think this is an interesting question, as many people want to build their own images |
| 02:21.23 | Stroller | retracile: I think you need these pages: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 02:21.58 | Stroller | Although it shouldn't really require compilation merely to change a keyboard .pkg and a couple of .conf files |
| 02:22.14 | retracile | I'd seen the latter... I'll read through that first link... |
| 02:23.27 | retracile | only has a *few* learning curves to climb... *sigh* |
| 02:23.59 | cjb | guh, my GPS got really flaky |
| 02:24.30 | cjb | it thinks the GPS time is 1999-11-30, according to TangoGPS, and fluctuates it by a few hours only without ever picking up sats. |
| 02:24.52 | cjb | rebooting sometimes helps, but "turn gps off" -> "turn gps on" doesn't seem to |
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| 02:27.44 | Stroller | cjb: I can't recall if we've discussed SDcard? |
| 02:27.53 | cjb | yeah, I have an SD card in, and the kernel patch applied |
| 02:28.06 | cjb | and I'm not using the SD when I try to lock |
| 02:28.23 | Stroller | And how does it run without the CDcard in? |
| 02:28.27 | Stroller | And how does it run without the SDcard in? |
| 02:29.12 | Bish | where are the partition rootfs and kernel declined? |
| 02:29.20 | Bish | sorry.. bad english |
| 02:29.33 | Bish | how does uboot know.. where kernel and rootfs is? |
| 02:30.09 | Bish | or the names of the partitions |
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| 02:31.39 | nite613 | Bish any luck with the qtopia packages? |
| 02:31.47 | Bish | nite613: not really no, im not pleased |
| 02:31.50 | Bish | but its nice to play wit |
| 02:31.58 | Bish | im installing the latest gtk+ image right now |
| 02:31.58 | Bish | :) |
| 02:32.32 | cjb | Stroller: haven't tried recently |
| 02:32.49 | ChandleWEi | reference http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Sim_Contacts .why I exec `set |grep DBUS` get nothing |
| 02:33.11 | Stroller | Well, I think if you're having GPS problems, cjb, you prolly need to try that to rule it out |
| 02:33.18 | Bish | is anyone able to tell me where the partitions kernel and rootfs are declaired? |
| 02:33.24 | Bish | or the names of them |
| 02:33.48 | Stroller | ChandleWEi: becuase you're ssh'd in? |
| 02:33.59 | Bish | Stroller: oh please tell me:( |
| 02:34.28 | ChandleWEi | Stroller: yes I'm in `root@om-gta02:~# set |grep DBUS` |
| 02:34.57 | Bish | hmpfzkpf! |
| 02:35.04 | Stroller | ChandleWEi: the way I read that is that you have to do it on the on-screen keyboard |
| 02:35.05 | Dave | pizzalicious! |
| 02:35.06 | Dave | :D |
| 02:35.20 | mmontour | Bish: look at the 'mtdparts' environment variable and the 'dynpart' u-boot command. |
| 02:35.59 | ChandleWEi | Stroller: let me try ,thx |
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| 02:36.32 | Bish | thanks alot :) |
| 02:36.40 | Bish | i will have to read about it right mmontour ? |
| 02:38.01 | mmontour | You don't have to read about it, but it's probably a good idea to do so. |
| 02:39.17 | Psi | hm.. does qtopia ever stop with the recharging bar? It's been 24 hours and its still charging (gta01) |
| 02:40.11 | Bish | mmontour: but im able to make an own partition named.. timbuktu.. and install gentoo on it, right? |
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| 02:42.09 | mmontour | Bish: maybe, but I wouldn't try it. The 'mtdparts' stuff is for the NAND flash, and for custom stuff you should start by putting it onto the SD card. There you just use partition numbers like "/dev/mmcblk0p3" and "ext2load mmc 1:3 0x32000000 /uImage.bin" |
| 02:42.43 | Bish | NAND flash = uboot right? mmontour |
| 02:43.21 | mmontour | Not "=". NAND flash is a type of memory, and u-boot is a bootloader. |
| 02:43.51 | Stroller | ChandleWEi: did that work? |
| 02:43.52 | Psi | Bish: i think he means you shouldnt put a normal gentoo install onto the flash because it might read/write it to death |
| 02:43.57 | Bish | mmontour: uboot is on the nand flash |
| 02:44.04 | Bish | right |
| 02:44.04 | Bish | ? |
| 02:44.04 | Psi | atleast if you read/write your sd to death you can buy a new one |
| 02:44.12 | Bish | and kernel/rootfs are on xorflash? |
| 02:45.02 | Psi | kernel/rootfs are on nand too |
| 02:45.02 | mmontour | NAND flash has: u-boot, kernel, rootfs, and some other stuff like the splash-screen that you see when you boot the phone. |
| 02:45.26 | mmontour | NOR has a copy of u-boot that can be used if you accidentally mess up the copy that's in NAND |
| 02:46.23 | Bish | ah .. |
| 02:46.33 | Bish | i c .. thats why im using nor mode to copy rootfs/kernel onto it. |
| 02:46.40 | Bish | because its just a.. copy.. ah im confused |
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| 02:46.43 | chillywilly | is there a package that the splash screen is in? |
| 02:46.52 | ferric | anyone using a recent mokomakefile successfully? |
| 02:47.02 | ChandleWEi | Stroller:I just input 'set' , I don't know how to input '|' in X ,but I find DBUS-session |
| 02:47.17 | mmontour | You load u-boot from either NAND or NOR depending on how you press the buttons when you turn it on. Once u-boot is running, anything downloaded with dfu-util goes to the NAND flash (unless you are using a debug board) |
| 02:47.17 | Bish | oja |
| 02:47.39 | chillywilly | just asking because when booting up a qtopia image it looks like it's making calls to a splash-write applet |
| 02:48.10 | Dave | hey chilly |
| 02:48.19 | mmontour | chillywilly: The first splash screen that you see is loaded directly from NAND, and I don't think there's a package wrapper for it. The screen that you see after the kernel boots is in a package (used to be psplash but I don't know about ASU) |
| 02:48.20 | Dave | ferric :P |
| 02:48.21 | Stroller | ChandleWEi: "I don't know how to input '|' in X " - if you mean "X" on the Freerunner, see the wiki pages about adding a keyboard |
| 02:48.41 | ferric | Dave: :P back at cha homes |
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| 02:49.15 | LetoTo | if i want to change from 2007.02 to ASU, can i just flash the rootfs? |
| 02:49.25 | ferric | I can't get the current mokomakefile to make me an fso-image, at all |
| 02:49.30 | LetoTo | or do i need to flash the kernel as well? |
| 02:49.34 | ferric | eems to die on this python-gobject stuff. |
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| 02:49.45 | ferric | LetoTo: better to flash the kernel as well |
| 02:49.47 | ChandleWEi | Stroller: Now I have a keyboard, I just don't know how to input '|', I can input a-z,.,-?! |
| 02:50.09 | LetoTo | ferric: kernel image is the "uImage" ? |
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| 02:50.26 | ferric | LetoTo: ah yes |
| 02:50.31 | LetoTo | uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin |
| 02:50.34 | ferric | LetoTo: much smaller than the rootfs :-) |
| 02:50.45 | LetoTo | so that's the latest, which might be what i already have? |
| 02:51.22 | LetoTo | but the Uboot only shows its version, the Boot menu does not show which uImage/kernel i have now |
| 02:51.22 | ferric | not sure if that's the latest, sorry, check the buldhost |
| 02:51.29 | LetoTo | it's from the wiki which leads to http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ |
| 02:52.03 | Stroller | ChandleWEi: it depends which keyboard you're using. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards If you're using the 1-9 keyboard then edit /etc/multitap-pad/im-multipress.conf Matchbox keyboard prolly uses the shift key |
| 02:52.05 | ferric | LetoTo: cool, use that then. i think that may be FSO, but it could be ASU too |
| 02:52.47 | LetoTo | oh i see, i can use one from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/ |
| 02:53.15 | ieatlint | ok, the keyboard issue where the numbers 7,8,9,0 show up as {,[,],} is really starting to irk me |
| 02:53.21 | ieatlint | and i think i can safely blame the germans. |
| 02:56.13 | ChandleWEi | Stroller: that's ok thx |
| 02:56.18 | LetoTo | hopes ASU has a terminal where you CAN type in a "/" unlike the FSO one :) |
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| 02:59.09 | ChandleWEi | Stroller: KP_0 just can input '+' ,can't input KP_0 = +;=;/;\\ |
| 02:59.39 | Stroller | ChandleWEi: yes. That's why you need to add the additional characters to KP_1 or some other key |
| 03:00.36 | ChandleWEi | Stroller: o ,thx |
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| 03:04.15 | LetoTo | dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-2.6.24+git23+1d04b142ffeaa15129f046751f1366b0f0614f47-r0-om-gta02.bin gives me: No such Alternate Setting: "kernel" |
| 03:04.53 | LetoTo | even though backup found: Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=11, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=3, name="kernel" |
| 03:07.02 | ferric | LetoTo: weiiiiird. |
| 03:07.06 | ferric | LetoTo: dfu-utl -v |
| 03:07.27 | LetoTo | [root@bofh openmoko]# dfu-util -v |
| 03:07.27 | LetoTo | dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. |
| 03:07.27 | ChandleWEi | LetoTo: sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ./uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 03:07.30 | LetoTo | then the usage |
| 03:07.41 | LetoTo | I tried -a 6 instead of -a "rootfs" |
| 03:08.04 | LetoTo | but that does not work either |
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| 03:10.49 | LetoTo | Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=11, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" |
| 03:10.49 | LetoTo | Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=11, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=1, name="UNDEFINED" |
| 03:10.49 | LetoTo | Found DFU: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=11, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2, name="UNDEFINED" |
| 03:10.56 | LetoTo | hmm, they're all named "undefined" ? |
| 03:11.19 | LetoTo | odd, because while backing up, it found "kernel" and "rootfs" names |
| 03:12.03 | LetoTo | dfu-util -a kernel -R -U testme.bin now also fails. guess i managed to do something bad :P |
| 03:12.13 | Stroller | is going to name his firstborn child "UNDEFINED" |
| 03:12.37 | Yasumoto | Stroller: and walk him(or her) in a ... stroller? |
| 03:12.45 | Stroller | :P |
| 03:12.47 | Yasumoto | :) |
| 03:12.52 | Yasumoto | sorry, couldn't resist |
| 03:12.58 | Stroller | We don't have those in Olde Englande |
| 03:13.06 | Yasumoto | irony? |
| 03:13.31 | Stroller | Child Strollers |
| 03:13.47 | tenzind__ | hi.. will there be localization of openmoko apps and the base system? |
| 03:13.51 | Toaster` | Prams? |
| 03:14.00 | Yasumoto | yeah, I know |
| 03:14.21 | Yasumoto | I was just saying that it's cool that your name is stroller, but you don't have them where you live |
| 03:14.59 | Yasumoto | tenzind__: if we (the community) cares enough to do it |
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| 03:17.42 | tenzind__ | Yasumoto: The community should care enough to do it.. i suppose ... |
| 03:17.58 | Yasumoto | haha, yeah |
| 03:18.11 | Yasumoto | I think it'll happen, it just takes time |
| 03:19.56 | tenzind__ | would love to showoff my phone with all the interface/usage in my local language to my friends .. :-) |
| 03:20.11 | ferric | we can barely get a phone that makes calls, localization is pretty far off |
| 03:20.12 | Yasumoto | definitely |
| 03:20.21 | Yasumoto | ferric: brutal |
| 03:20.41 | ferric | (unfortunately) |
| 03:20.52 | Yasumoto | tenzind__: I have no idea if localization's on the table or anything, but a wiki/mailing list search might help |
| 03:21.05 | Yasumoto | worst case, send something to the community list |
| 03:22.19 | Yasumoto | be back later |
| 03:32.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r29c5961b995a 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Sort the entries with FILENAME by alphabet ordering. |
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| 03:37.36 | ferric | rwhitby: ping? |
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| 03:38.07 | rwhitby | ferric: whassup? |
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| 03:58.10 | stephelt1n | i've modified /etc/pulse/session to use a different sample for my incoming ring, and the correct sound plays. however, the repeat rate is fixed, and is about a third the length of the sample, which just sounds awful. |
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| 04:03.41 | kd8ikt | who's idea was it to do things like that |
| 04:03.47 | Chocky | whose :p |
| 04:03.51 | stephelt1n | hahaha |
| 04:03.53 | stephelt1n | owned. |
| 04:04.17 | kd8ikt | love the grammar you have there Chocky |
| 04:04.23 | Chocky | good! |
| 04:04.33 | Dave | Chocky! |
| 04:04.41 | Chocky | D! |
| 04:04.43 | linuxxr | whose is it |
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| 04:05.04 | kd8ikt | Dave i read through the logs of the trouble you had the other day |
| 04:05.15 | kd8ikt | inospeakenglish or somethin |
| 04:05.47 | Dave | Hmm? |
| 04:06.08 | Dave | oh, you mean with that troll from earlier today? |
| 04:06.13 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 04:06.16 | Dave | oh, pfft |
| 04:06.18 | Dave | whatever :p |
| 04:06.29 | Dave | Was it really worth reading? |
| 04:06.34 | Dave | :) |
| 04:07.12 | kd8ikt | http://www.elearnenglishlanguage.com/difficulties/whoswhose.html i think i'm in the right on this issue |
| 04:07.48 | kd8ikt | oh shit i guess i'm wrong |
| 04:07.56 | Dave | heehee |
| 04:07.57 | stephelt1n | lol. yes, you were wrong |
| 04:08.01 | Dave | surprise! |
| 04:08.10 | kd8ikt | thats bullshit |
| 04:08.12 | Chocky | empoken Debian some more. |
| 04:08.20 | stephelt1n | english is awesome, isn't it? |
| 04:08.25 | Dave | Hardly. |
| 04:08.29 | stephelt1n | =P |
| 04:08.36 | kd8ikt | clusterfuck of nonsense |
| 04:08.38 | Chocky | Esperanto! |
| 04:08.46 | Dave | :D |
| 04:08.57 | Dave | teehee |
| 04:09.04 | Chocky | Rules of English aren't all that complex. German is probably worse. |
| 04:10.45 | stephelt1n | has no one else encountered the fact that the incoming ring tone is repeated at a fixed rate? |
| 04:11.00 | Chocky | rootfs 469M 460M 0 100% / |
| 04:11.02 | Chocky | :o |
| 04:11.05 | kd8ikt | hasnt felt compelled to change it |
| 04:12.37 | kd8ikt | thats about as bad of programming as my bash script |
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| 04:13.41 | kd8ikt | so if i put a big mp3 as a ringer only the first 3 sec or so would repeat? |
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| 04:14.47 | Infinyte | Uhm.. How do you configure 2007.2 for WAP? |
| 04:15.37 | kd8ikt | you mean using the GSM modem as a modem |
| 04:15.49 | stephelt1n | kd8ikt: yeah that's how it seems to work |
| 04:16.05 | kd8ikt | pptp or somethin its in the wiki |
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| 04:16.45 | Infinyte | Ah, so they don't refer to it as WAP? |
| 04:16.54 | kd8ikt | never |
| 04:17.07 | Infinyte | That explains a lot |
| 04:17.19 | kd8ikt | look for GSM stuff |
| 04:17.34 | Infinyte | Will do |
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| 04:27.08 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 04:27.18 | brian__ | if my freerunner is hooked to a linux behind a router on usb ,,how do i access the internet to opkg |
| 04:27.29 | Chocky | read the wiki. |
| 04:27.32 | Chocky | USB networking |
| 04:27.33 | brian__ | a linux box# |
| 04:27.46 | brian__ | ok |
| 04:27.55 | kd8ikt | just got back from a pretty good wardrive+GPS blanketed a pretty good size area |
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| 04:29.27 | kd8ikt | LoVeTeHoNesLiKeThiS UsIngJuSt WeP |
| 04:30.41 | kd8ikt | makes me want to go crack it and poison/dos him bringing his network to its knees |
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| 04:33.26 | kd8ikt | lol best one o've seen "VIRUS DETECTED" as the ssid |
| 04:36.07 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd49544643878 10/ (conf/checksums.ini packages/iotop/iotop_0.2.1.bb): [iotop] Add iotop 0.2.1 to OpenEmbedded/Openmoko |
| 04:36.07 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r0ba774e2b926 10/packages/iotop/iotop_0.2.1.bb: [iotop] Make the installed package work |
| 04:36.07 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rcf019255ecaa 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add python-gst |
| 04:36.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r20f0f60bc0e9 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add iotop to the feed |
| 04:36.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r68b7ebaecb0a 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add pdf viewers to the feed |
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| 04:43.08 | ernst | hi girls ;-) |
| 04:43.26 | ernst | does anyone installed navit to the Freerunner ? |
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| 04:45.22 | jeffszusz | ernst, they haven't gotten the phonecalls working 100% reliably, few have tried strange apps yet |
| 04:45.26 | jeffszusz | hehe |
| 04:45.56 | ernst | ok |
| 04:46.34 | ernst | i have installad navit but hut i have no gps signal |
| 04:47.03 | ernst | it's not the same like 1973 |
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| 04:48.30 | kd8ikt | wtf is navit |
| 04:49.36 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4c2368b1670f 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add python-gst |
| 04:49.36 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb98740d0a7d8 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add iotop to the feed |
| 04:49.36 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r320853333ad5 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add pdf viewers to the feed |
| 04:49.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra040bd85ad80 10/conf/checksums.ini: Merge commit 'origin/org.openmoko.asu.dev' into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 04:53.21 | Yasumoto | alright |
| 04:53.23 | Yasumoto | score |
| 04:53.42 | Yasumoto | I just accidentally called my father, thought I hung up before it dialed, except it went through anyway |
| 04:53.56 | Yasumoto | *doh* |
| 05:02.30 | khaije1 | can the freerunner play WoW? |
| 05:02.50 | Chocky | yes, |
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| 05:05.48 | LetoTo | looks like the usb port was weirded out on my host |
| 05:06.05 | Chocky | I see that a bit too |
| 05:06.08 | ieatlint | looking for any comments/suggestions on a test layout i made for a wifi selector |
| 05:06.15 | ieatlint | http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/aplist.png |
| 05:06.23 | ieatlint | http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/status.png |
| 05:06.46 | Chocky | och. |
| 05:07.27 | LetoTo | no channel # in output? |
| 05:07.54 | ieatlint | i can add that |
| 05:08.02 | LetoTo | not sure about mentioning "eth0" to endusers :) |
| 05:08.16 | ieatlint | i also just realised i didn't give current ap status info... heh |
| 05:08.23 | LetoTo | other then that, looks ok to me |
| 05:08.52 | LetoTo | though i havent seen ASU yet, just 2007.02. not sure how the look and feel is different |
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| 05:09.37 | ieatlint | the UI there is working in so much that all the widgets are in place and the functions to set them are there... but it's just a UI at present |
| 05:10.02 | ieatlint | i think i am going to write the backend in C, and use sqlite for storing info |
| 05:10.21 | LetoTo | why sqlite? |
| 05:10.28 | ieatlint | at some point, if people are actually interested, i could port the UI to C too |
| 05:10.30 | LetoTo | to store? 20 AP's? |
| 05:10.39 | ieatlint | because it simplifies a LOT |
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| 05:10.55 | LetoTo | having plaintext might be easier for other software to use it too |
| 05:10.57 | ieatlint | since i plan on using wpa_supplicant to handle just about everything with the connection |
| 05:10.59 | carrar | ieatlint, hurry up and finish that app :) |
| 05:11.13 | ieatlint | other software can use sqlite :P |
| 05:11.19 | LetoTo | :P |
| 05:11.30 | ieatlint | will see, the backend will be the faster part to write |
| 05:11.39 | ieatlint | frontend is a real bitch with all these gtk widgets |
| 05:11.42 | Hoolxi | æ®æ¯å¦ |
| 05:16.00 | Hoolxi | i just lost a gadget inside AUX key when open my freerunner box |
| 05:17.37 | ieatlint | i should also be able to pretty easily allow people to hide columns in the ap list they don't care about |
| 05:18.51 | *** part/#openmoko Infinyte (n=Infinyte@66-146-252-212.gtmc.net) |
| 05:19.08 | ieatlint | oh, and all the buttons/selections can be done with a finger, if you're wondering :P |
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| 05:39.46 | kd8ikt | w00t bash is fun |
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| 05:40.23 | kd8ikt | explain() |
| 05:41.05 | kd8ikt | or more like explanation() <-- goes through the code block i just worked on without having to do all the BS again |
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| 05:41.11 | kd8ikt | functions |
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| 05:51.28 | noob | how to get a freerunner? |
| 05:52.26 | CVirus | dpaterso: check the website |
| 05:52.36 | dpaterso | thank you, |
| 05:52.46 | dpaterso | in canada .... ordered it..... has not yet come |
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| 05:52.51 | CVirus | dpaterso: www.openmoko.com |
| 05:53.06 | dpaterso | thanx cvirus |
| 05:53.09 | carrar | Did they take your money? |
| 05:53.22 | kd8ikt | in russia freerunner order you |
| 05:53.33 | dpaterso | not sure.... it was sent as PO from my place of work |
| 05:54.00 | carrar | if they withdrew money then it's on it's way |
| 05:54.09 | dpaterso | perfect carrar |
| 05:54.14 | dpaterso | I can't wait to get it. |
| 05:54.20 | carrar | you can |
| 05:54.26 | dpaterso | lol |
| 05:54.36 | dpaterso | not good? |
| 05:54.47 | carrar | well it's for expirementing only |
| 05:55.03 | kd8ikt | carrar: |
| 05:55.06 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN_AUTO#.2Fbin.2Fsh |
| 05:55.13 | kd8ikt | heh look at my script sofar |
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| 05:55.22 | carrar | today i can make calls again |
| 05:55.26 | carrar | with the new release |
| 05:55.42 | carrar | not that I am really using it to make calls |
| 05:55.49 | carrar | haha |
| 05:55.55 | carrar | # OMG i'm programming now!# |
| 05:55.56 | kd8ikt | oh i thought you meant |
| 05:56.02 | kd8ikt | Calls() |
| 05:56.12 | carrar | haha |
| 05:56.13 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 05:56.20 | carrar | yeah bash rocks that way |
| 05:56.23 | kd8ikt | API calls() |
| 05:56.26 | carrar | thats how init scripts are mostly written |
| 05:56.34 | carrar | restart() |
| 05:56.37 | carrar | start() |
| 05:56.38 | kd8ikt | yeah but they always scared me |
| 05:56.39 | carrar | etc... |
| 05:56.44 | carrar | not anymore I bet |
| 05:56.56 | dpaterso | will it sync with Mac addressbook? |
| 05:57.01 | carrar | hahah |
| 05:57.04 | carrar | no |
| 05:57.04 | kd8ikt | i knew where i could edit and the functions i stayed away from |
| 05:57.20 | carrar | dpaterso, sounds like you want a iPhone |
| 05:57.28 | kd8ikt | noshit |
| 05:57.32 | carrar | it's no iPhone |
| 05:57.33 | dpaterso | you hurt me |
| 05:57.38 | doc|home | hehe |
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| 05:57.49 | kd8ikt | that kind of macintalk hertz me |
| 05:57.50 | carrar | it's a development platform |
| 05:57.54 | dpaterso | that is the last thing I want... |
| 05:58.00 | dpaterso | Sorry kd |
| 05:58.00 | doc|home | dpaterso: right now, you'll be lucky if it makes calls :) |
| 05:58.06 | dpaterso | lol coc |
| 05:58.07 | dpaterso | doc |
| 05:58.11 | doc|home | :( |
| 05:58.12 | carrar | yeah yesterday I couldn't make any calls |
| 05:58.18 | kd8ikt | mac is for end user and not really meant for personalization |
| 05:58.18 | carrar | but it's ok |
| 05:58.21 | carrar | I have a phone |
| 05:58.25 | carrar | for making calls |
| 05:58.40 | carrar | I use mac |
| 05:58.46 | kd8ikt | i never used my phone much so... |
| 05:58.47 | doc|home | ok, so, I've tried asu, it's ass, what should I try next? |
| 05:58.56 | carrar | but I also now have a ubuntu PC just for working with the phone |
| 05:59.04 | kd8ikt | yay |
| 05:59.09 | doc|home | carrar: see, now that's overkill :) |
| 05:59.17 | carrar | no, it's nice |
| 05:59.18 | dpaterso | I like ubuntu pc.... debian based, yes? |
| 05:59.21 | doc|home | :) |
| 05:59.24 | kd8ikt | this laptop is running ubuntu |
| 05:59.34 | carrar | latest 8 release |
| 05:59.37 | *** join/#openmoko swc|666 (n=swc|666@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 05:59.50 | kd8ikt | building ubuntu pkgz isnt an easy task though |
| 05:59.54 | Psi | weird, qtopia works fine on my gta01 without a sim but if i put one in it boots and instantly goes to a black window with tiny blinking cursor in the top left |
| 05:59.57 | dpaterso | <---- running MINT on mac laptop |
| 06:00.33 | carrar | I was a freebsd person before osx |
| 06:00.59 | kd8ikt | mint looks neat i've been wanting to install / mess with it |
| 06:01.14 | dpaterso | I really like it |
| 06:01.49 | kd8ikt | what pkgz manager does it use |
| 06:01.58 | dpaterso | apt |
| 06:02.33 | carrar | Ubuntu 8.04.1 |
| 06:02.35 | carrar | there |
| 06:03.11 | kd8ikt | someone was telling me about program returns |
| 06:03.27 | kd8ikt | error=1 |
| 06:03.28 | carrar | kd8, did you see this? |
| 06:03.29 | carrar | http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/aplist.png |
| 06:03.35 | carrar | http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/status.png |
| 06:03.43 | kd8ikt | ew i want it |
| 06:03.52 | kd8ikt | but i still want my auto script |
| 06:03.55 | carrar | heh |
| 06:04.22 | carrar | ieatlint> looking for any comments/suggestions on a test layout i made for a wifi selector |
| 06:05.00 | kd8ikt | oh its not finished yet? |
| 06:05.06 | carrar | no |
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| 06:05.16 | carrar | So you have the upper hand |
| 06:05.21 | kd8ikt | heh |
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| 06:05.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r490386d82ca1 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Remove the duplicate entry |
| 06:05.52 | kd8ikt | need a hand doing the slave work? |
| 06:06.06 | carrar | it's not mine |
| 06:06.07 | kd8ikt | like appending WPA.conf junk |
| 06:06.16 | kd8ikt | oh |
| 06:06.23 | carrar | it's "ieatlint" |
| 06:06.43 | carrar | *** ieatlint : ieatlint@tehinterweb.com (ieatlint) [Commercial] |
| 06:06.54 | kd8ikt | i need to spend more time on the shell before i can graduate to UI's |
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| 06:08.33 | dpaterso | I am waiting for my phone - Is there something I can do to get familiar with the software before it comes? |
| 06:09.58 | carrar | read the getting started page |
| 06:10.12 | carrar | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_Overview |
| 06:10.13 | dpaterso | thanx carrar |
| 06:11.07 | carrar | get dfu-util working |
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| 06:11.13 | carrar | You'll be using it |
| 06:11.30 | carrar | evening railer |
| 06:12.01 | railer | hey |
| 06:12.10 | ieatlint | i'm still working on the UI stuff |
| 06:12.21 | carrar | there he is |
| 06:12.23 | ieatlint | it's kinda annoying :P |
| 06:12.25 | railer | so how goes the perl commands |
| 06:12.33 | carrar | got that done yet ieatlint? ;) |
| 06:12.39 | carrar | I'm ready to install it :) |
| 06:12.46 | railer | do what? |
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| 06:13.00 | railer | I just got here, get me up to speed... |
| 06:13.07 | ieatlint | uhm, it'll be a bit before it's actually working |
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| 06:13.15 | carrar | I just not getting back to that perl app |
| 06:13.18 | carrar | not=now |
| 06:13.30 | ieatlint | i'm going to finish up the UI so it's usable (but incomplete -- eg, no sorting rows in the ap list at first) |
| 06:13.40 | ieatlint | then throw together a backend |
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| 06:19.13 | dpaterso | is the Freerunner great? |
| 06:20.00 | railer | define great..... |
| 06:20.01 | dpaterso | I saw "roughly drafted" crappin all over the open moko concept |
| 06:20.32 | railer | what is a roughly drafted? |
| 06:21.04 | dpaterso | He is a Macboy |
| 06:21.13 | dpaterso | www.roughlydrafted.com |
| 06:22.20 | dpaterso | http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/03/07/apples-iphone-vs-smartphone-software-makers/ |
| 06:22.25 | railer | eh, |
| 06:23.17 | dpaterso | from my reading he was negative about the prospects for the open moko phone concept. |
| 06:23.31 | dpaterso | I am hoping he is wrong. Like the concept very much. |
| 06:23.37 | neldoreth | from my reading everything about apple is perfect :p |
| 06:23.53 | dpaterso | yah.... I agree. |
| 06:24.02 | dpaterso | gotta love the DRM |
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| 06:24.38 | dpaterso | iphone pricing in Canada is robbery. |
| 06:26.06 | neldoreth | cu |
| 06:26.55 | railer | " With the iPhone, Apple is embracing both open source and freeware as well as commercial application development." = Apple sues clone maker Psystar |
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| 06:27.30 | railer | I'm sure I can trust apple to let me hack their stuff........................ |
| 06:27.44 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 06:29.34 | doc|home | is it normal for qtopia to show a flashing cursor under qtopia? |
| 06:29.37 | carrar | not only sue them |
| 06:29.40 | doc|home | ah. there we go |
| 06:29.49 | carrar | but forcing them to recall all their sold products |
| 06:29.53 | carrar | haha |
| 06:29.55 | carrar | good luck |
| 06:30.38 | doc|home | hehehe, qtopia's key -> lock just gave me a really 18+ idea for a phone unlocking symbol :o |
| 06:31.53 | railer | the article is just.... lies..... there is really nothing more to say, to pretend HISTORICALLY apple has not been the most close minded to third party apps and publishing their OS on any other platform other then their own, is delusional at it's greatest |
| 06:34.45 | doc|home | hmmm, qtopia just completely locked up on me |
| 06:37.04 | railer | pull the battery, start over |
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| 06:48.41 | BlackFog | morning (UGT) |
| 06:50.12 | kd8ikt | dangint |
| 06:50.24 | kd8ikt | dang fullkeyboard glitches |
| 06:50.35 | kd8ikt | 0 becomes }}} |
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| 06:54.35 | methril | morning |
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| 07:00.19 | railer | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ that right a 40x40 grid of rectangles! |
| 07:00.23 | dpaterso | Thanx railer - I agree with what you said about that article |
| 07:01.22 | railer | dpaterso: if you're older than 12 and know the history of Apple then you know it's joke |
| 07:01.47 | dpaterso | I am.... and I do... |
| 07:02.49 | Yashy | # wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -B |
| 07:02.49 | Yashy | ioctl[PRISM2_IOCTL_HOSTAPD]: Operation not supported |
| 07:02.54 | pantsd_ | what package repo should I use with the scardy cat images? |
| 07:03.12 | dpaterso | iphone pricing in Canada ought to be a crime... and those "plans" - it is wrong. |
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| 07:04.51 | dpaterso | The way I see it, If I can have a browser that works from wifi and an unlocked GSM phone.... Life is good |
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| 07:05.45 | dpaterso | From what peeps were saying earlier, making a call on the Freerunner right now is a challenge. |
| 07:07.17 | pantsd_ | dpaterso: I seem to have pretty good luck makeing & receiving calls |
| 07:07.57 | dpaterso | great pantsd!! I have ordered my phone, but it has not come yet. |
| 07:08.05 | dpaterso | What it hard to set up? |
| 07:08.21 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:08.26 | pantsd_ | not really. I'm still futzing around with gprs & the like |
| 07:08.38 | dpaterso | can't wait.... |
| 07:08.48 | dpaterso | where r u? |
| 07:09.04 | railer | well I wouldn't make it my primary phone yet, it's a little buggy but this to shall pass |
| 07:09.24 | dpaterso | does it access the net via wifi? |
| 07:09.55 | dpaterso | I am hoping to use the WIFI at my university workplace, without any dataplan. Can it do this? |
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| 07:10.39 | railer | I've made a couple dozen phone calls on it, echoie sound, and for a while weird lag, but I think that was a carrier thing, other then that fine, oh and the battery life sucks |
| 07:11.04 | vpv | dpaterso: the wifi is usable, but it needs to be configured via the console, I believe there's no GUI for that yet |
| 07:11.34 | dpaterso | thanks vpv.... I prefer the console. |
| 07:11.35 | railer | wifi GUI is needed BADLY |
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| 07:12.36 | pantsd_ | hrms :P |
| 07:12.39 | beni_ | perl freaks around? |
| 07:12.42 | dpaterso | It bugs me that I don't have this thing to play with now..... |
| 07:12.54 | pantsd_ | yarh :( |
| 07:12.59 | pantsd_ | waiting is sadsauce |
| 07:13.13 | dpaterso | my home has Mac Airport. Can the freerunner connect through that? |
| 07:15.09 | beni_ | how can i test if a s/foo/bar pattern si valid? |
| 07:15.55 | lpotter | doc|home: what were you doing when it locked up? |
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| 07:21.05 | Yashy | looking for help getting USB networking going. I changed the information in /etc/network/interfaces to 192.168.1.22. I added 192.168.1.21 to my desktop and added a route over usb0. I'm now ssh'd into the phone. However I can't resolve DNS. I've tried 192.168.1.21 as my nameserver (which doesn't run bind) and 192.168.1.1 which does |
| 07:21.49 | Yashy | desktop (1.21) is ubtuntu, 192.168.1.1 if freebsd gateway/fw/named |
| 07:22.12 | Yashy | s/if/is/ |
| 07:22.48 | kd8ikt | dont suppose anyone want to help me go debug my script |
| 07:23.26 | kd8ikt | my brain/eyes hurt from looking at it |
| 07:23.32 | railer | what lang? |
| 07:23.36 | kd8ikt | bash |
| 07:24.00 | railer | I'll look but can promise anything |
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| 07:24.15 | kd8ikt | i dare not run it just yet, need it to run through my mind but i dont think my mind is fresh enough to do it |
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| 07:24.24 | Rakshasa | Yashy: Don't set the usb in same subnet as other nic's. I've got desktop 192.168.0.200 and phone 192.168.0.202 and in phone's resolv.conf 192.168.1.1 which is the router. |
| 07:24.41 | lymeca | Hey I was wondering about the status of the availability of FRs |
| 07:24.50 | lymeca | I'd like to buy one in about 1 month. |
| 07:25.02 | lymeca | Will they be available for purchase then? I am in the US if that means anything. |
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| 07:25.14 | tessier | lymeca: They are already available |
| 07:25.17 | tessier | lymeca: openmoko.com |
| 07:25.50 | lymeca | tessier: Oh, sorry, I was thrown off by the channel topic. |
| 07:25.53 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN_AUTO#.2Fbin.2Fsh |
| 07:25.56 | lymeca | Why does it say that? |
| 07:26.09 | mjr | probably because the first batch was sold |
| 07:26.23 | tessier | Oh...You can probably still place an order, just might be a few days before it ships. |
| 07:26.23 | mjr | there should be more soonish I think |
| 07:26.30 | tessier | I heard they were getting more on the 24th or something like that |
| 07:26.33 | tessier | Should be just a few days |
| 07:26.59 | lymeca | Will the phones on this second batch ship with the exact same build of software? |
| 07:27.00 | railer | I would love to know the numbers sold |
| 07:27.32 | lymeca | Or even, were all the FRs shipped thus far have the same build of software? |
| 07:27.45 | mjr | lymeca, sounds likely, but dunno; in any case, the default is pretty old |
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| 07:29.31 | railer | anyone know where there is a tutorial on making themes? |
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| 07:30.22 | lymeca | mjr: I think I love this project already and I'm convinced to buy a FR. But is it really 100% free? |
| 07:30.37 | mjr | lymeca, the GNU/Linux system on the soc is |
| 07:30.56 | lymeca | mjr: You know how the XO-1 laptop has a Free BIOS but depends on proprietary firmware for the wireless card driver? |
| 07:30.59 | mjr | then you have the non-free gsm, gps, wifi, bluetooth and gpu chip firmwares |
| 07:31.13 | lymeca | Aye |
| 07:31.14 | lymeca | shite |
| 07:31.46 | lymeca | So are at least the drivers for those components free? |
| 07:31.59 | mjr | (all on their own chips so you don't really have to deal with those, just know they're there ;] ) |
| 07:32.11 | mjr | linux-side drivers are free |
| 07:32.18 | lymeca | For EVERYTHING? |
| 07:32.20 | lymeca | sheesh |
| 07:32.35 | lymeca | So the binary firmwares are on ROMs in each device or something? |
| 07:32.42 | kd8ikt | more or less |
| 07:32.44 | lymeca | Not where the GNU+Linux system is? |
| 07:32.48 | mjr | I would think flash roms but yea |
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| 07:32.54 | lymeca | Where is the GNU+Linux software stack anyway? |
| 07:32.59 | lymeca | SD card? |
| 07:33.06 | Yashy | Rakshasa: It shouldn't be an issue if they're on the same subnet? |
| 07:33.14 | mjr | no, there's an internal 256M flash chip |
| 07:33.28 | lymeca | And how much of that does the default OPenMoko stack take up? |
| 07:33.34 | lymeca | without adding packages onto it. |
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| 07:34.54 | mjr | (you can run off of sd too but it's slower) |
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| 07:42.39 | ieatlint | http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/aplistnew.png |
| 07:42.48 | ieatlint | (not dummy data, actually scanned) |
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| 07:45.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r5c411d21d16a 10/classes/java.bbclass: java.bbclass: |
| 07:45.21 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * rbc2833440894 10/packages/ (8 files in 6 dirs): merge of 'ba2394dc8bed77043b229f3e5c42b4b69aeca918' |
| 07:45.21 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r2fc7c9593a74 10/classes/java.bbclass: merge of '613d006a5a3c8c6629c2a0b9a905bfc4a80484ca' |
| 07:45.22 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openembedded.dev * r45c400d622d0 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): linux-xilinx-slab : Modify kernel bb file for xilinx based ppc boards using |
| 07:45.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openembedded.dev * r0c42f4501472 10/ (7 files in 6 dirs): merge of 'a1c5133ec8dfc7768c8883c8aa89593ce01f57cb' |
| 07:45.28 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * re23aa16fcfb5 10/classes/java.bbclass: merge of '1b17ea5d09e29a9b9960e907c6a56908b349ff98' |
| 07:45.31 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r56289d91b324 10/packages/ (16 files in 4 dirs): First patch in a series of olsr cleanups |
| 07:45.34 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * ra27dbdfa5754 10/packages/olsr/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Second part of OLSR cleanup. |
| 07:45.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r83f27ead66ab 10/packages/ (18 files in 4 dirs): Last part of OLSR cleanup |
| 07:45.46 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r50f680793cfc 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix small oversights in OLSR cleanup |
| 07:45.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r6ce9d36de1bf 10/packages/obsolete/ (28 files in 5 dirs): Removing recipes that are untouched for months from obsolete/ |
| 07:45.51 | dpaterso | I was on here earlier and met Kat Von D |
| 07:45.52 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * rec450d3ac9a6 10/packages/obsolete/jamvm/.mtn2git_empty: obsolete/jamvm: Removed empty directory. |
| 07:45.55 | Yashy | Anyone willing to help me debug USB networking or wifi with WPA? Any help debugging either is appreciated. |
| 07:45.55 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r2426703bcacd 10/packages/cacao/ (11 files in 2 dirs): cacao: Cleanup and new recipe. |
| 07:45.58 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r7a8cae0d379f 10/packages/cacao/ (11 files in 2 dirs): disapproval of revision 'ba3fd04d7fb91b031d23b8b8abdfd77186ece799' |
| 07:46.01 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r28bf42030bf5 10/packages/cacao/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Add a new cacao revision and add support for changed configure options (new in 0.99) |
| 07:46.10 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r3bbe42df8f08 10/packages/midpath/ (44 files in 2 dirs): Removal of midpath 0.1, addition of midpath 0.3 rc1 |
| 07:46.13 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * ra0c1e1daf451 10/conf/distro/ (include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc openmoko.conf): Remove uses of midpath 0.1 and replace with what is needed for 0.3. |
| 07:46.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r7d69de9767ae 10/packages/midpath/ (midpath-maemo_0.2+0.3rc1.bb midpath-openmoko_0.2+0.3rc1.bb): midpath-maemo 0.2+0.3rc1: Added pnum 0 to patch. |
| 07:46.21 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r5cc06a8ea694 10/packages/cacao/files/cacao-0.99.1-build-java-runtime-library-classes.patch: cacao 0.99.1: Added missing patch file to repository. |
| 07:46.24 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r21213637bc5f 10/conf/distro/chinook-compat.conf: chinook-compat: Added libsdl-mixer version preference to 1.2.6. |
| 07:46.31 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * rbb4f0ea256cd 10/packages/midpath/files/midpath-launcher-j2se: midpath: Allow overriding the JAVA executable in start script |
| 07:46.35 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * rf1d1cfd5034f 10/packages/jamvm/ (jamvm.inc jamvm_1.4.5.bb jamvm_1.5.0.bb jamvm_1.5.1.bb): jamvm: Lowered update-alternatives to 5 (lesser than cacao). |
| 07:46.43 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r9e2d27c5c989 10/packages/cacao/cacao_0.98+hg20080519.bb: cacao 0.98+hg20080519: Removed superfluous \ from SRC_URI. |
| 07:46.46 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * ra1528a669d48 10/packages/cacao/ (3 files in 2 dirs): cacao-native 0.99.1: New recipe. |
| 07:46.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r43a05bb80fb3 10/packages/cacao/ (3 files in 2 dirs): disapproval of revision 'a846a4c23e94c3e771fd7aaf448e8bb4e11f4506' |
| 07:46.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * r47ae051fbbca 10/packages/cacao/ (cacao-native.inc cacao-native_0.99.1.bb): cacao-native 0.99.1: New recipe. |
| 07:46.57 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openembedded.dev * r9b4cd88c4a4c 10/conf/distro/chinook-compat.conf: chinook-compat: make it more Maemo compatible |
| 07:47.00 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r9bc3433674b9 10/packages/freesmartphone/frameworkd_git.bb: frameworkd git needs python-shell now |
| 07:47.02 | XorA | dpaterso: does she have a OM tatoo? |
| 07:47.07 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r7a8b7b731dfd 10/ (136 files in 23 dirs): merge of '28c74aa25680384c6f311fd8f4123ddb27c1ba65' |
| 07:47.10 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openembedded.dev * r857aebaee06b 10/packages/cmake/cmake-native_2.6.0.bb: cmake-native: added 2.6.0 (from Poky) |
| 07:47.13 | CIA-46 | (104 lines omitted) |
| 07:47.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r1f6f6c1d7e5b 10/packages/boost/ (boost_1.33.1.bb files/gcc43.patch): boot 1.33.1: add fedora and gentoo patches for gcc 4.3 support and an extra patch hunk stolen from 1.34.1 |
| 07:47.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r093ebe58f799 10/packages/gnash/ (3 files in 2 dirs): gnash: add missing patch |
| 07:47.28 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r9ca61a222d4e 10/packages/swfdec/swfdec-mozilla_0.7.2.bb: swfdec-mozilla: add NPAPI browser plugin for flash, works with webkit |
| 07:47.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r9b96fabe309a 10/packages/gnash/gnash-minimal.inc: gnash-minimal: depend on libtool, remove PR from .inc |
| 07:47.40 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r4bd8725628c8 10/packages/linux/ (linux-2.6.25/at32stk1000/defconfig linux_2.6.25.bb): linux 2.6.25: update at32stk1000 defconfig to include pcmcia->usb drivers |
| 07:47.43 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r01c880408513 10/packages/gnuradio/ (gnuradio-3.1.2/gcc43.patch gnuradio_3.1.2.bb): gnuradio: add patch to build against gcc 4.3.x |
| 07:47.50 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r9e10560cd1a3 10/packages/gnash/ (gnash-minimal.inc gnash-minimal_0.8.3.bb): gnash-minimal: packaging fixes |
| 07:47.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r2aff692aa0ef 10/packages/oprofile/oprofile_cvs.bb: oprofile: def_pref -1 the cvs version |
| 07:48.02 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03steve 07org.openembedded.dev * re3c2a66a9e5e 10/packages/u-boot/ (u-boot-git/beagleboard/base.patch u-boot_git.bb): u-boot git: beagleboard: initialize CM_CLKSEL_DSS register |
| 07:48.05 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * re12d33e77547 10/packages/ipkg-utils/ (2 files): ipkg-utils*: fix PR values. OE doesn't use split PRs, so stop commiting them! |
| 07:48.06 | railer | seriously how do you change themes and icons? |
| 07:48.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rbf169a913b47 10/packages/efl1/emotion_cvs.bb: emaotion: add missing depends spotted by packaged-staging |
| 07:48.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rc0c23fd6deab 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs: bump opkg-native |
| 07:48.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rd4cbabdc061e 10/packages/angstrom/angstrom-feed-configs.bb: angstrom feed configs: bump PR |
| 07:48.27 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rda82c9e68cad 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): glibc 2.6.1: change optimizations flags for armv7a |
| 07:48.30 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r3e51f840243e 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/arm/alignment.sh initscripts_1.0.bb): initscripts: do not poke at /proc/cpu/alignment on armv7, it slows libavcodec down with 50% |
| 07:48.34 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r830b1578125a 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/arm/alignment.sh initscripts_1.0.bb): initscripts: fix typo in previous commit |
| 07:48.41 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r871a3a11f108 10/packages/gnash/gnash-minimal.inc: gnash-minimal: fix depends |
| 07:48.44 | kd8ikt | w00t production |
| 07:48.44 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * rc0848ed0b6b6 10/ (36 files in 24 dirs): merge of 'd186ad540510a4f04ab08186965e402582c0b260' |
| 07:48.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03steve 07org.openembedded.dev * r404b325220b3 10/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): linux-omap2 git: make beagle resolution a kconfig option |
| 07:48.58 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r1201caaabd6f 10/conf/bitbake.conf: bitbake.conf: fix PARALLEL_MAKE, it hasn't been working lately. Patch by Richard Purdie |
| 07:49.01 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r023db0801a59 10/packages/sl/sl_3.03.bb: sl: fix parse error |
| 07:49.04 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rcfedfcdbcd64 10/packages/images/beagleboard-demo-image.bb: beagleboard demo image: add swfdec-mozilla |
| 07:49.09 | CIA-46 | (188 lines omitted) |
| 07:49.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r271ecc8513b8 10/packages/fluidsynth/ (.mtn2git_empty fluidsynth_1.0.8.bb): add fluidsynth, a software synthesizer. bb by thomasg |
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| 07:49.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r03a0fda04c2e 10/packages/ (12 files in 5 dirs): merge of '6effd4b98afa326e66d32ef10490967c420727f4' |
| 07:49.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r1365b34434ec 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: bump openmoko-appmanager2 (fixed a configure bug), remove SRCREVS for removed entries |
| 07:49.28 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * rb524a2770430 10/packages/openmoko-panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm_svn.bb: openmoko-panel-gsm: DEPEND on libmokogsmd2 |
| 07:49.31 | kd8ikt | lova ya koen +steve + thebohemian |
| 07:49.31 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openembedded.dev * r1cc1699f1866 10/packages/u-boot/u-boot_git.bb: u-boot_git : Update revs for davinci machines davinci EVM and SFF SDR. |
| 07:49.36 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r162e620aedfb 10/ (424 files in 147 dirs): merge of '4c6f4640a8b948badde77deaaebbfc2c9959ecae' |
| 07:49.43 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r74e103b43911 10/packages/images/ (fso-console-image.bb fso-image-light.bb fso-image.bb): fso-image: add iptables |
| 07:49.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r26831ac8262c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: add dates for linux-openmoko-devel and u-boot-openmoko-devel |
| 07:49.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03dirk 07org.openembedded.dev * rc1db4299458e 10/packages/stress/ (stress_0.18.8.bb stress_1.0.0.bb): stress: upgrade to 1.0.0 |
| 07:49.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03utx 07org.openembedded.dev * r19f2e7f5f2e6 10/packages/linux/ (linux-rp-2.6.26/zaurus-i2c-init.patch linux-rp_2.6.26.bb): linux-rp-2.6.26: Added zaurus-i2c-init.patch: |
| 07:50.01 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03dirk 07org.openembedded.dev * rc6cba73d8be0 10/packages/busybox/ (4 files in 2 dirs): busybox: add new version 1.11.1 |
| 07:50.06 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03dirk 07org.openembedded.dev * r0b926551a7de 10/packages/linux/ (linux-rp-2.6.26/zaurus-i2c-init.patch linux-rp_2.6.26.bb): merge of '4d0f3853b3c01cedc22908ba269a7658acf2293b' |
| 07:50.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03utx 07org.openembedded.dev * r47dc20d0cbd4 10/packages/linux/linux-rp-2.6.26/zaurus-i2c-init.patch: Typo in poodle chunk fixed. |
| 07:50.16 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openembedded.dev * r8689bebbe329 10/packages/linux/ (6 files in 2 dirs): linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb : add squashfs to the build #4437 |
| 07:50.19 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * rda393c4232fa 10/packages/freesmartphone/ (4 files in 3 dirs): frameworkd git add button/switches configuration |
| 07:50.24 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openembedded.dev * r88f7761d5c13 10/packages/directfb/ (9 files in 4 dirs): directfb: fixing stuff and update to version 1.1.1 |
| 07:50.27 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openembedded.dev * re1dfb49f6237 10/packages/directfb/ (9 files in 4 dirs): merge of '4c3e95612d7e11dff6afb443db21824d2266449b' |
| 07:50.30 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openembedded.dev * ra15660b58fc7 10/conf/distro/chinook-compat.conf: chinook-compat: Corrected dbus-glib version number. |
| 07:50.35 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openembedded.dev * r2b2bf62e1905 10/packages/libftdi/ (files/autotools.patch libftdi-native_0.13.bb libftdi_0.13.bb): libftdi: update to version 0.13 |
| 07:50.40 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openembedded.dev * r1f85430e6d4f 10/conf/distro/chinook-compat.conf: merge of '7ddcf7aeb14743db7aec16e7be026e81dd7d1b38' |
| 07:50.43 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openembedded.dev * r575d0177a5c0 10/packages/libftdi/files/autotools.patch: libftdi: remove examples-dir from configure.ac too |
| 07:50.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openembedded.dev * r9b87620ed58d 10/packages/linux/ (10 files in 2 dirs): linux-omap2 : Add patches to fix TWL4030 issues. |
| 07:50.51 | CIA-46 | (52 lines omitted) |
| 07:50.59 | XorA | kd8ikt: Im doing an SCM merge |
| 07:51.18 | kd8ikt | SCM? |
| 07:51.28 | XorA | kd8ikt: Source Control System |
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| 07:52.07 | Yashy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:53.50 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rfc4cf0f11cae 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for 42c_skins.tgz |
| 07:53.50 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb5ebd6a709d5 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for free42.tgz |
| 07:53.50 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r16f84b16b977 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for nano-2.0.7 |
| 07:53.51 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r08604e7b7a48 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for settingsgui-0.8 |
| 07:53.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc488cc154454 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for MPlayer-1.0rc2 |
| 07:53.57 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r25e65bc387f4 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for midori-0.0.17 |
| 07:54.00 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rcc18569f5d6f 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for gnash-0.8.2 |
| 07:54.03 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5f35cafeff72 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for gpe-timesheet-0.32 |
| 07:54.06 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r35adeff6d6f7 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for synergy-1.3.1 |
| 07:54.09 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4e00f396b3ab 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for gpe-filemanager-0.30 |
| 07:54.12 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * raa15c90026cd 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for swt-3.4M5-gtk-linux-x86.zip |
| 07:54.17 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rbc94c3ae9c7d 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for jamvm-1.5.1 |
| 07:54.20 | kd8ikt | Yashy: got a wifi accesspoint? |
| 07:54.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r53c3d5062e7f 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for poppler-0.6.4 |
| 07:54.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rbfd9868dce2b 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for x11vnc-0.9.3 |
| 07:54.26 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r306500ebf378 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for SDL_net-1.2.7.tar.gz |
| 07:54.31 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * raebb4501b216 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for tangoGPS-0.7.tar.gz |
| 07:54.34 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8d40c18d2132 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for wxWidgets-2.8.7.tar.gz |
| 07:54.34 | kd8ikt | finds it hard to believe there couldnt be a wifi AP around |
| 07:54.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re447b3e23f86 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for qtopia-opensource-src-4.3.1.tar.gz |
| 07:54.44 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r3ff2667f383d 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for asterisk-1.4.17 |
| 07:55.25 | railer | kd8ikt any guesses how to change the theme? |
| 07:56.10 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today |
| 07:56.33 | kd8ikt | ew neato i see major updates |
| 07:57.04 | kd8ikt | the mage i knew and loved is gone |
| 07:57.09 | kd8ikt | page* |
| 07:57.12 | railer | found it thanks |
| 07:57.57 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2 |
| 07:59.23 | Yashy | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.46 | ernst | http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3z6KmWSpcPo |
| 08:02.03 | Yasumoto | Yashy: what's your /etc/network/interfaces look like on your computer? |
| 08:02.22 | Yasumoto | and what's /etc/resolv.conf on your phone? |
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| 08:05.57 | Yashy | # cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:05.57 | Yashy | nameserver 192.168.1.21 |
| 08:05.57 | Yashy | nameserver 192.168.1.10 |
| 08:07.29 | Yashy | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface |
| 08:07.29 | Yashy | 192.168.1.22 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 08:14.11 | Yashy | Does that help? |
| 08:15.16 | shoragan | Yashy, you also need to enable another interface on the host |
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| 08:20.44 | Yashy | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 08:20.44 | Yashy | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 08:20.50 | Yashy | 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.10 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 08:20.55 | Yashy | is the rest of netstat -r |
| 08:20.57 | Yashy | n |
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| 08:28.16 | Yasumoto | Yashy: http://pastebin.com/d76835b5e |
| 08:28.33 | Yasumoto | act |
| 08:28.34 | Yasumoto | *ack |
| 08:28.35 | Yasumoto | wait |
| 08:29.20 | Yasumoto | Yashy: http://pastebin.com/d5a5a3e29 |
| 08:29.22 | Yasumoto | there we go |
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| 08:35.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | anyone else experiancing an issue editing the wiki? |
| 08:36.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | both sections of the australians page i tried to edit "didnt work" |
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| 08:37.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | i've just noticed that despite the error the edit seems to ahve worked |
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| 08:44.48 | Yashy | Yasumoto: Where does the route get added for the neo in there? |
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| 08:47.57 | Yashy | sudo /sbin/route add -host 192.168.1.22 dev usb0 |
| 08:48.17 | Yashy | If I also run the above, I can now ssh into the neo |
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| 08:50.56 | Yashy | 01:50:03.533099 IP om-gta02.local.47980 > delly.local.domain: 38008+ AAAA? openmoko.com. (30) |
| 08:50.56 | Yashy | 01:50:03.533140 IP delly.local > om-gta02.local: ICMP delly.local udp port domain unreachable, length 66 |
| 08:51.32 | Yashy | nslookup: can't resolve 'openmoko.com' |
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| 08:57.46 | ieatlint | if people are actually watching what i'm doing, http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi/ |
| 08:58.01 | ieatlint | i'm done for the night though... |
| 08:59.37 | newb | ieatlint: gnite :) |
| 08:59.54 | ieatlint | oh, i'm not going to bed yet, i'm just done programming for now :P |
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| 09:22.23 | kd8ikt | w00t |
| 09:22.40 | kd8ikt | ny script finnally works now i can dress it up a bit |
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| 09:46.28 | ieatlint | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.35 | lpotter | hehehe |
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| 09:48.34 | gnu{- | ieatlint: Can your wifi support do Zeroconf 802.11 ad-hoc communication (two nearby neos talking to each other without an AP)? Sharing/collab with nearby devices does *not* require XO-like mesh protocols. |
| 09:49.17 | ieatlint | right now it doesn't support much of anything |
| 09:49.47 | ieatlint | it can scan for available APs, and check current connection settings... nothing more |
| 09:50.08 | ieatlint | but yeah, i could in theory set it up to support ad-hoc |
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| 09:54.28 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03jeremy * rd51b78cd6000 10/src/server/phone/telephony/ringcontrol/ (ringcontrol.cpp ringcontrol.h): [RingControl] cache the ringtone to make it play with less delay. |
| 10:00.20 | HauDyrArb | ieatlint, i just looked at the screen shots, NICE i cant wait to get that program |
| 10:00.22 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0067eb5519be 10/packages/djvulibre/djvulibre_3.5.20.bb: [djvulibre] Build without the Qt based viewer due the usage of Qtopia |
| 10:00.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6db048f3484a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: [srcdate] Bump the EFL version. |
| 10:00.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8e4266001335 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Bump the illume rev to get a version that will use the Qtopia keyboard |
| 10:01.31 | ieatlint | yeah, it probably should be noted that the signal strengths aren't as low as they sound |
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| 10:02.32 | ieatlint | i've been running it on my computer to test it, and it reports my home's network as 46% on my laptop, (20% on the FR, as seen in the screenshots) |
| 10:02.44 | ieatlint | yet wifi-radar reports the signal strength at full bars on my laptop |
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| 10:07.29 | eatul | Hi moko |
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| 10:08.31 | HauDyrArb | ieatlint, but it could be the antenna problem again |
| 10:09.20 | ieatlint | uh, no, the difference is to be expected |
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| 10:09.45 | ieatlint | the adapter on my laptop has more power |
| 10:10.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * rc9304fb9c8d4 10/etc/SystemRingTones/phonering.wav: [ringtone] Use infobandit_phone.wav as ringtone |
| 10:10.39 | ieatlint | really, it's normal... the point is that 100% signal isn't needed to be "good" |
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| 10:25.53 | HauDyrArb | ok, i see what you mean |
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| 10:56.23 | Tm_T | ieatlint: hmm, perhaps then the meter should show it the way it really is, as in, if its good level, show "good" bar even with the percent what it is, make it 40 or some |
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| 11:13.36 | kd8ikt | heh http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifiweasel |
| 11:13.58 | kd8ikt | i put a lot of work into that |
| 11:14.21 | kd8ikt | and i'm pretty sure it finally works |
| 11:15.16 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd081548f63a1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the kernel, SDCLK and various other fixes are included |
| 11:15.39 | jakobsg | I can't flash my gta02. When I try to log into u-boot "Set the console to USB" it just says: "Press [AUX] to return to boot menu." |
| 11:15.47 | bumbl | kd8ikt: looks nice, but add support for encrypted wireless networks |
| 11:16.05 | kd8ikt | then that wouldnt be automated |
| 11:16.12 | kd8ikt | you'd have to enter keys |
| 11:16.24 | kd8ikt | this is for roaming |
| 11:16.30 | bumbl | ah ok |
| 11:16.47 | kd8ikt | jakobsg: |
| 11:16.49 | bumbl | because i have the problem that after some time wifi stops working |
| 11:17.35 | kd8ikt | well there is a bash function in that script that takes down wifi and puts it back up you could use as a primer for your personal scrip |
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| 11:18.45 | Tm_T | jakobsg: don't put it to any mode |
| 11:18.50 | kd8ikt | chown uucp.uucp /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 11:18.50 | kd8ikt | cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 11:19.00 | Tm_T | jakobsg: just start NOR u-boot and leave it into menu |
| 11:19.01 | kd8ikt | and you'll have a uboot shell |
| 11:19.36 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Bootloader_prompt' |
| 11:19.42 | jakobsg | kd8ikt: chown uucp.uucp /dev/ttyACM0 - on my host or on the Neo |
| 11:20.19 | kd8ikt | host |
| 11:20.28 | jakobsg | OK, thanks |
| 11:20.28 | Tm_T | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 11:20.30 | Tm_T | etc |
| 11:21.00 | jakobsg | Tm_T: as I understand I should always use NAND uboot |
| 11:21.33 | Tm_T | jakobsg: hmm? |
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| 11:22.00 | jakobsg | In case of failure I can use NOR to restore NAND - or something like that |
| 11:22.11 | Tm_T | "First, log into U-Boot in the NOR Flash. The Neo FreeRunner needs to be at the NOR boot menu for flashing. For more information on booting, see booting the Neo Freerunner." |
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| 11:24.03 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r19408e31036c 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for settingsgui-0.8 |
| 11:24.06 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r80b66482bd1f 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for MPlayer-1.0rc2 |
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| 11:24.29 | jakobsg | Is there some kind of wi-fi setup tool under qtopia ? |
| 11:24.32 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r725901153f1f 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for poppler-0.6.4 |
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| 11:24.51 | kd8ikt | camp wifi methinks? |
| 11:24.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4cd8b91fc58c 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for qtopia-opensource-src-4.3.1.tar.gz |
| 11:24.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * reed610d37a18 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for asterisk-1.4.17 |
| 11:24.59 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1952a9dffb1b 10/packages/djvulibre/djvulibre_3.5.20.bb: [djvulibre] Build without the Qt based viewer due the usage of Qtopia |
| 11:25.04 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd24bc12d1121 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the kernel, SDCLK and various other fixes are included |
| 11:25.07 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03jeremy * r4c51f80648b1 10/src/applications/addressbook/ (abeditor.cpp abeditor.h): [AddressBook] Disable per contact ringtone because we broke it with doing ringtone cache in RingControl. |
| 11:25.29 | jakobsg | ok thanks |
| 11:25.30 | kd8ikt | might aswell just modify the wpa_supplicant.conf and make a script to init wpa |
| 11:25.56 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN |
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| 11:32.14 | ace-- | hi, i'm trying to use the download.sh script in openmoko-qemu, but it hangs at 24% when trying to get the file http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080721-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 11:32.24 | ace-- | are there any alternative places where i can get that file ? |
| 11:32.27 | jakobsg | kd8ikt - well I can't ask my nabour to do that :-) |
| 11:33.14 | ace-- | Connecting to buildhost.automated.it|87.117.198.17|:80... connected. |
| 11:33.14 | ace-- | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK |
| 11:33.14 | ace-- | Length: 38,387,712 (37M) [text/plain] |
| 11:33.41 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 11:33.52 | ace-- | and then it stops at 9,215,048 bytes |
| 11:34.01 | ace-- | (always) |
| 11:34.37 | jakobsg | kd8ikt: I meen alter the wpa_supplicant.conf file - he expects a nice UI |
| 11:34.41 | ace-- | even a manual wget hangs at exactly the same position |
| 11:36.01 | kd8ikt | well then tough shit cause that just aint here yet |
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| 11:36.27 | jakobsg | I know - that was why I was asking about qtopia |
| 11:37.49 | jakobsg | By the way I still can't boot into u-boot - /dev/ttyACM0 isn't created by udev on the host before you select "Set the console to USB" on the Neo. |
| 11:38.29 | kd8ikt | what host operating system |
| 11:38.47 | jakobsg | Ubuntu hardy |
| 11:39.00 | kd8ikt | did you read this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Bootloader_prompt |
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| 11:40.06 | jakobsg | well, I haven't reache the end yet, because I ran into trouble |
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| 11:46.51 | ace-- | ah after it timed out it resumed and now it dled :) |
| 11:47.29 | ace-- | does anyone have an md5sum for http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080721-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 ? |
| 11:48.25 | jakobsg | kd8ikt: if I follow the steps in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Phase0_Quick_Start |
| 11:48.43 | jakobsg | I can't get past step 4 |
| 11:49.44 | jakobsg | I can do step 5 from my linux host although I haven't selected "Set console to USB" |
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| 11:55.00 | Dave | ieatlint :) |
| 11:56.11 | kd8ikt | wheres SpeedEeeveil |
| 11:56.21 | kd8ikt | i want him to see what has become of my script |
| 11:56.41 | Dave | What has become of you? |
| 11:57.13 | Dave | what, does it use your freerunner as a ham communicator? :P |
| 11:57.19 | kd8ikt | drinking a beer trying to relax that script wiped me out and i'm sure its still glitched |
| 11:57.30 | Dave | hah |
| 11:57.47 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifiweasel |
| 11:57.55 | Dave | :D |
| 11:58.07 | Dave | Wififerret? :D |
| 11:58.25 | kd8ikt | that'd be a good name too |
| 11:58.41 | Dave | holy wireless wombats batman! |
| 11:59.36 | kd8ikt | i thought of weasel cause all my failed beta testing scripting was named wifimonkey then i started thinking i was learning more and so in turn the script become more inteligent so i named it weasel |
| 11:59.51 | Dave | hilarious |
| 11:59.59 | kd8ikt | know that cartoon I R baboon and i am weasel |
| 12:00.00 | Dave | there's no logic to that :P |
| 12:00.15 | Dave | gives kd8ikt another beer and a ferret |
| 12:00.18 | Dave | :) |
| 12:00.19 | kd8ikt | theres your logic |
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| 12:00.47 | wibbit | kd8ikt: Does that test for open wifi's or just wifi's that provide an IP on connection? As I don't consider those to be the same thing |
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| 12:01.05 | kd8ikt | dhcp |
| 12:01.11 | Dave | martijn ^^ |
| 12:01.14 | Dave | ewww |
| 12:01.41 | kd8ikt | i figured i'd be fun while walking around certian area |
| 12:01.44 | ace-- | i just installed the emulator and booted it, but the interface looks nothing like my real pohone, have there been updates or am i missing something ? |
| 12:01.51 | kwek_ | better? :) |
| 12:02.00 | Dave | I'm rtfw right now :p |
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| 12:02.17 | kd8ikt | like malls etc just make sure you add an ssh passwd ;) |
| 12:02.32 | wibbit | kd8ikt: There are a lot of wifi hot spots that allow you to connect, but to actually go any where, you have to sign up and pay some dosh, then they allow you general internet access |
| 12:02.35 | Dave | Why does the first line say 81102? |
| 12:02.50 | Dave | Don't you mean 802.11? |
| 12:02.55 | Dave | Also wireless is spelled wrong :D |
| 12:03.00 | kd8ikt | around here are tons of community wireless AP's |
| 12:03.12 | Dave | hastily clicks [Edit] |
| 12:03.26 | Dave | plus is it called weaselwifi or wifiweasel? |
| 12:03.43 | kd8ikt | dont matter name it what you want |
| 12:04.02 | Dave | Man, I just enjoy correcting EVERYBODY's english on the wiki :p |
| 12:04.12 | Dave | kd8ikt: nah, I was just looking for clarity, is all :) |
| 12:04.24 | Dave | Though I am going to correct your spelling and lost sentence structure :) |
| 12:04.30 | kd8ikt | i like to think its weaselwifi |
| 12:04.47 | kd8ikt | thats fine |
| 12:04.56 | pyknite | hi all |
| 12:05.15 | kd8ikt | i wasnt worried baout grammar aslong as the actuall program worked |
| 12:05.24 | Dave | your spelling is far worse :D |
| 12:05.29 | pyknite | I would love to help in openmoko software devellopment, but I don't know where to begin :( |
| 12:05.41 | Dave | but hey, yeah, as you said, "OMG i'm a programmer" :p |
| 12:05.44 | kd8ikt | make a script that replaces dave |
| 12:05.47 | Dave | so, it's okay :) |
| 12:05.51 | Dave | :O |
| 12:06.06 | wibbit | I prefer wifiweasel :) |
| 12:06.09 | Dave | kd8ikt, I thought we already determined that's Speedevil's job :P |
| 12:06.16 | Dave | wibbit, yeah |
| 12:06.21 | Dave | public poll, anyone? :p |
| 12:06.26 | Dave | hides |
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| 12:06.33 | kd8ikt | its a wiki... edit it |
| 12:06.45 | wibbit | kd8ikt: I'd love for it to be updated slightly to do a ping check against google or some thing similar |
| 12:06.47 | Dave | but it's YOUR creation |
| 12:07.05 | kd8ikt | actually it did wibbit but i changed it to the gateway |
| 12:07.06 | wibbit | as Dave say's, it's not our baby to change |
| 12:07.26 | Dave | That sounds wise |
| 12:07.30 | kd8ikt | because pinging google every 30sec ... i dont think thats very polite |
| 12:07.38 | wibbit | You could do both, if the gateway succeed's then try google, and have more then one "class" |
| 12:07.56 | kd8ikt | mod it |
| 12:08.36 | Dave | Won't they block ICMP_ECHO_REQUESTs after while if you spam the shit out of them? :p |
| 12:08.38 | kd8ikt | i already have my backup copy so i could care less |
| 12:08.51 | Dave | then again, you could be changing AP's, right? ;p |
| 12:08.52 | Dave | haha |
| 12:08.56 | kd8ikt | my fist host was myspace cause i was hoping it'd ping flood em |
| 12:08.59 | Dave | but still, right, impolite :) |
| 12:09.04 | Dave | kd8ikt :D |
| 12:09.15 | kd8ikt | fucking myspace teenybopers |
| 12:09.31 | Dave | kd8ikt: I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter... |
| 12:09.42 | wibbit | Dave, doubt it would be that much of an issue for google, and it doesn't take many packets to establish an open connection (and that conpared to the billion's if not trillions of packets their receiving/transmitting for eveyr thing else, really is a drop in the ocean) |
| 12:09.51 | Dave | wibbit, true :) |
| 12:10.04 | kd8ikt | not to mention they have like 100 servers albeit |
| 12:10.18 | Dave | way more |
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| 12:10.29 | Dave | but I know they do adjust things when under siege |
| 12:10.30 | jakobsg | there are two things I think is unclear for me right now 1: Do I enter u-boot (NAND) or u-boot (NOR) to flash my neo ... 2: Am I the only one who is kicked right back to the u-boot menu after selecting "Set console to USB" ? |
| 12:10.41 | Dave | we accidentally one time flooded the crap out of them at one point |
| 12:10.43 | wibbit | kd8ikt: 100? try 50000 |
| 12:10.50 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 12:10.56 | Dave | and it was so many requests to a single server it was hardly a drop in the ocean anymore :p |
| 12:11.56 | Dave | it was more like a fat american going off the highdive :P |
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| 12:12.37 | Dave | hoi trickie :] |
| 12:12.57 | trickie | Dave: hoi! |
| 12:13.00 | kd8ikt | i've noticed the past few days the number of USA tangogps people has doubled if not trippled |
| 12:14.02 | Rakshasa | jakobsg, It's normal behaviour. The usb console is open after you press aux to return to u-boot menu. It was a bit unclear for me too at first. |
| 12:14.37 | kd8ikt | watch what you do in uboot console you could really mess things up |
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| 12:15.39 | Dave | :D |
| 12:15.50 | jakobsg | So the option "Set console to USB" does nothing ? |
| 12:15.50 | Dave | kd8ikt: yep! |
| 12:16.06 | Dave | kd8ikt, but messing with uboot is SO fun! >:) |
| 12:16.09 | Rakshasa | jakobsg, It does what it says. |
| 12:16.18 | Dave | it's a way to get down 'n dirtay with your phone :p |
| 12:16.24 | Dave | kinky ;o |
| 12:16.48 | kd8ikt | isnt going down south on his phone |
| 12:16.53 | jakobsg | OK, so I have to select it once - OK |
| 12:18.22 | Dave | ;p |
| 12:18.26 | candrews | Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 |
| 12:18.26 | candrews | But that file is already provided by package * libncurses5 |
| 12:18.30 | jakobsg | Neo powers down after a few minutes when in u-boot - I guess that doesn't happen if there is activity |
| 12:18.31 | candrews | help? :-) |
| 12:19.14 | jakobsg | For my other question, should I use u-boot NOR or u-boot NAND |
| 12:19.58 | jakobsg | in the wiki NOR is described as "Rescue" |
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| 12:22.18 | kd8ikt | doesnt even know the procedure to get to nor |
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| 12:24.49 | jakobsg | kd8ikt: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Phase0_Quick_Start |
| 12:26.14 | jakobsg | sorry: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner/Buttons_and_LEDs#Basic_Button_Usage |
| 12:26.45 | HauDyrArb | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 12:27.45 | HauDyrArb | Log into U-Boot in the NOR Flash |
| 12:27.57 | HauDyrArb | thats the normal way |
| 12:27.58 | Dave | haudryarab! |
| 12:28.09 | HauDyrArb | dave yes |
| 12:28.25 | Dave | Hallo! |
| 12:29.02 | kd8ikt | ugh mine doesnt blink like that ever |
| 12:29.04 | HauDyrArb | i am not an arab :-) |
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| 12:29.28 | HauDyrArb | Arb = Work |
| 12:31.33 | Dave | tell that to my UT |
| 12:32.35 | HauDyrArb | UT Unreal Turnament, Urinal Tract, Uranus Telescope |
| 12:34.06 | Dave | o_O |
| 12:34.11 | Dave | Universal Translator? |
| 12:34.16 | HauDyrArb | aaah |
| 12:34.25 | Dave | Which also speaks terrorist! :p |
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| 12:34.37 | HauDyrArb | kewl |
| 12:34.41 | Dave | lawl |
| 12:34.51 | Dave | pesky danes ~_~ |
| 12:35.31 | HauDyrArb | can't live with them, can't live without them |
| 12:35.44 | Dave | oh, we certainly can! |
| 12:35.48 | Dave | >:) |
| 12:36.01 | wibbit | dave, life withem or withoutem |
| 12:36.03 | HauDyrArb | especially your UT (Urinal Tract) |
| 12:36.09 | Dave | without! |
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| 12:36.15 | Dave | haha, quiet you! |
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| 12:36.27 | wibbit | hehe |
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| 12:38.22 | Wonka | morning. |
| 12:38.43 | HauDyrArb | morning, how's the chocolate buisiness |
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| 12:39.36 | Dave | :p |
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| 12:39.41 | Wonka | *yawn* |
| 12:39.57 | Wonka | there's nothing new under the sun ;) |
| 12:40.26 | HauDyrArb | :-) |
| 12:40.51 | Dave | mmm... danish |
| 12:40.55 | Dave | strawberry |
| 12:41.40 | Wonka | today, i was sitting in the bus, recording a gps track with tangoGPS, and suddenly, my freerunner locked up. no reaction on any input. only input that worked was pulling the battery. |
| 12:41.56 | Dave | that's not input :P |
| 12:42.04 | Dave | that's a hard reset; yeah, it sucks. |
| 12:42.05 | Dave | :[ |
| 12:42.14 | HauDyrArb | more like output :-) |
| 12:42.16 | Wonka | so i am not the only one? |
| 12:42.20 | Dave | haw |
| 12:42.26 | Wonka | any way how to debug that? |
| 12:42.27 | Dave | Wonka, I doubt it's tango-related |
| 12:42.38 | Dave | probably just shitty openmoko related :D |
| 12:42.38 | Wonka | i have a debug board, but no experience using it |
| 12:43.13 | Wonka | i don't care _where_ the problem is, as long as it is removed; and i would be happy to accelerate its removal |
| 12:43.14 | HauDyrArb | i havent experienced that but i'm not using the phone full time yet |
| 12:43.44 | Wonka | hehe. atm i have no sim and no microsd in it - just playing with very little gps |
| 12:43.57 | Dave | :) |
| 12:44.06 | Dave | Wonka :) |
| 12:44.17 | Dave | Sounds good |
| 12:44.21 | Dave | We'll keep you informed then! |
| 12:44.44 | Wonka | but i have someone who'll help me get a 10pF C soldered into it |
| 12:44.54 | Dave | :D |
| 12:45.02 | dlowe | wait. what's this about a capacitor? |
| 12:45.51 | HauDyrArb | Wonka, why is that nessicary |
| 12:45.51 | Dave | Man, all the COOL people have one :p |
| 12:46.00 | Dave | necessary |
| 12:46.06 | HauDyrArb | speling |
| 12:46.21 | Wonka | the C is explained here: http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
| 12:46.23 | Dave | spelunking |
| 12:46.30 | HauDyrArb | lol |
| 12:46.39 | Dave | :D |
| 12:46.44 | Dave | i r teh bawt. |
| 12:46.54 | Wonka | after that, i'll put my 8GB microSDHC back in and have some more fun with maps |
| 12:47.17 | dlowe | wow. I'll totally do that if it turns out it works |
| 12:48.13 | HauDyrArb | good to know that there is a hardware fix |
| 12:48.19 | Dave | Wonka, have your way with it, you mean! >:) |
| 12:48.36 | Dave | haudryarab, there's pretty much a hardware fix for everything wrong with it |
| 12:48.46 | dlowe | will have to buy a gigantic magnifying glass, though. |
| 12:48.52 | Dave | problem is people are sissies and want software workarounds for everything |
| 12:48.59 | Dave | dlowe :D |
| 12:49.11 | dlowe | I've been wanting one anyway. :) |
| 12:49.12 | Wonka | hehe |
| 12:49.24 | Wonka | i got someone who regularly solders smd |
| 12:49.48 | Dave | :] |
| 12:49.54 | Wonka | "schwer montierbare dinger" in german |
| 12:50.20 | Dave | sounds like an alcoholic beverage name for promiscuous foreigners in a dance club |
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| 12:50.30 | wibbit | Any one know, when the freerunner is liable to be updated with the hardware fix for the gps/sd issue |
| 12:50.47 | Dave | s/liable// |
| 12:51.11 | Dave | wibbit all these things have been corrected in the gta03, if that's what you're asking. |
| 12:51.28 | wibbit | Dave: And when is the gta03 liable to be released? |
| 12:51.34 | Wonka | will it have DECT? |
| 12:51.40 | Wonka | will it have HSPA? |
| 12:51.51 | Wonka | will it have a 3-axis turn sensor? |
| 12:51.55 | dlowe | I don't think the development nature of the phone was adequately asserted in its advertising |
| 12:52.04 | Wonka | will it have a magnetic 3D compass? |
| 12:52.17 | wibbit | dlowe: Oh I don't know, it's mentioned pretty much every where that I've looked |
| 12:52.24 | wibbit | Both on resellers sites, and I thought on their home page |
| 12:52.28 | CVirus | Will the next FR batch have the GPS soldering issue fixed ? |
| 12:53.01 | wibbit | CVirus: yeah, that probably a better way of putting the question |
| 12:53.08 | Dave | nevar |
| 12:53.20 | wibbit | Dave: ? |
| 12:53.24 | Dave | will it have built in HEPA filters? |
| 12:53.29 | Wonka | HEPA? |
| 12:53.30 | Dave | with it vacuum your house? |
| 12:53.45 | wibbit | I would rather it vacumed the cat |
| 12:53.49 | Dave | will it double as a beard and mustache trimmer as well? |
| 12:54.08 | Wonka | mine at least does the sound :) |
| 12:54.12 | Dave | -_-; |
| 12:54.16 | Wonka | shaver.mp3 |
| 12:54.30 | Dave | -_- |
| 12:54.32 | wibbit | not entirely sure what's so wrong about asking if the gps soldering issue will be fixed in the next batch. |
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| 12:54.50 | Dave | soldering issue |
| 12:55.00 | CVirus | ! |
| 12:55.13 | Dave | are you specifically refering to the "loose antenna" issue that a few users experienced? |
| 12:55.14 | dlowe | wibbit: sorry, it's not you |
| 12:55.21 | Dave | IT'S YOU! |
| 12:55.27 | dlowe | It's always me :) |
| 12:55.37 | Dave | yes YES! :D |
| 12:55.43 | Wonka | OH ITS YOU!! |
| 12:55.45 | wibbit | dlowe: Yah, I know, for the last 6 months or so, there's been quite a few "is it out yet" questions |
| 12:55.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r13fd6cb3f7bd 10/src/libraries/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [linking] Make sure our new symbols get exported |
| 12:55.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r73dca747a9fa 10/src/server/phone/serverinterface/phonelauncher/phonelauncher_illume.cpp: [phone] Hide the CallScreen directly in case of a missed call |
| 12:55.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r73107ee4a709 10/src/server/phone/callscreen/semithemed/ (callscreen.cpp callscreen.h): [callscreen] When the callscreen gets hidden remove all dropped calls |
| 12:55.58 | Wonka | are we there yet? |
| 12:56.12 | Dave | What are you people asking!? |
| 12:56.31 | dlowe | Wonka: yeah, that's the question that's getting repeated ad nauseum |
| 12:56.33 | Wonka | WHAT HAPPEN??! |
| 12:56.33 | matholio | soon. |
| 12:56.42 | dlowe | No! It's not ready! Go away and let us play with our toys |
| 12:56.55 | Wonka | dlowe: ack! |
| 12:57.00 | Wonka | *plays with GPS |
| 12:57.11 | CVirus | When is the GTA04 scheduled to be released ? |
| 12:57.15 | CVirus | :-p |
| 12:57.27 | Wonka | yo momma is scheduled to be released! |
| 12:57.29 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 12:57.38 | Wonka | watches... |
| 12:57.40 | Wonka | 3 and 5 |
| 12:57.49 | CVirus | Wonka: yo momma as in my mother ? |
| 12:58.00 | Wonka | CVirus: that's how it's used |
| 12:58.10 | Wonka | CVirus: ghetto slang, or something |
| 12:58.17 | dlowe | it's a good thing it's the "gta04" and not the "gta4" or it'd be really hard to search for |
| 12:58.21 | CVirus | whatever that is ... don't talk about my momma |
| 12:59.12 | Dave | GTA05 will be similarly difficult to search for |
| 12:59.21 | Dave | So I'm wondering if they'll skip that one :P |
| 12:59.39 | Wonka | rofl |
| 13:00.01 | Wonka | CVirus: sure. |
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| 13:00.31 | CVirus | thanks |
| 13:01.24 | Dave | Can't stop the virus! |
| 13:01.48 | Wonka | gah. why does this agps ui stuff stop showing things when tangogps starts? |
| 13:02.18 | Wonka | and why does it not show stuff from an already running gps, but only when itself fired it up? |
| 13:02.31 | Wonka | i like this satellite position display stuff |
| 13:03.51 | Dave | :p |
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| 13:04.04 | Dave | I like how the freerunner so easily runs out of memory |
| 13:04.09 | Dave | and also melts. |
| 13:04.19 | Dave | Don't leave it in your car, people! |
| 13:04.24 | Wonka | 36mb free |
| 13:04.35 | Wonka | 49 cached |
| 13:04.45 | Dave | MOAR SWAP |
| 13:04.58 | Dave | roflcopters |
| 13:05.00 | Wonka | swap on class 4 microsdhc? |
| 13:05.16 | Dave | Swap factor 4, ENGAGE! |
| 13:05.27 | Wonka | can has moar RAM on gta03? |
| 13:05.51 | Wonka | 8GB iPhone, and GTA03 with 1GB RAM... ;) |
| 13:06.10 | Dave | QUAD DAMAGE! |
| 13:06.28 | Wonka | mission accomplished? |
| 13:06.50 | dlowe | wonders about Dave sometimes. |
| 13:06.50 | Dave | It's just my alter ego popping out ;) |
| 13:06.59 | Wonka | i am not here for a long time, and i don't wonder "sometimes" about dave... |
| 13:07.04 | Wonka | ;) |
| 13:07.06 | Dave | :P |
| 13:07.19 | CVirus | dlowe: don't feed the trolls |
| 13:07.22 | Dave | I'm just providing some cheap entertainment for all you silly people. |
| 13:07.25 | Wonka | he reminds me of #madwifi's "wombat" |
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| 13:07.32 | Dave | covers cvirus in trollbait. |
| 13:07.38 | Dave | Wonka, gah. |
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| 13:07.45 | Dave | hahahaha speaking of which |
| 13:07.47 | Dave | Jon o/ |
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| 13:08.05 | Wonka | wassup? |
| 13:09.37 | daMaestro | yo |
| 13:09.57 | daMaestro | coffee && wake --up-now |
| 13:11.02 | Dave | :p |
| 13:11.26 | Dave | sends daMaestro SIGJOLT |
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| 13:17.09 | Dave | plays musical SIMs |
| 13:17.57 | Wonka | plays some SIDs on his freerunner |
| 13:18.07 | Dave | :O |
| 13:18.19 | Dave | DOOM, anyone? |
| 13:20.33 | Wonka | on freerunner? gimme! |
| 13:21.34 | Dave | :D |
| 13:21.45 | jtickle | wants |
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| 13:22.31 | Dave | Oh, so there are others interested now ... ;) |
| 13:22.48 | `pwgen` | mame and defender ... with touchscreen *G* |
| 13:22.56 | Wonka | q3a won't work, i fear |
| 13:23.21 | Wonka | mh, some zcode interpreter, and then play indy and the last crusade... |
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| 13:24.29 | Dave | omg zork party! |
| 13:25.03 | Dave | also scummvm for all your LA classics :D |
| 13:25.57 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03roh * r4546 10/trunk/feeds/community-repository/file-index.txt: - update tango-gps. this inclusion in the community-feed was intended as test, not as permanent idea, but i do not want to annoy people by just removing it. |
| 13:28.22 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: moin |
| 13:28.30 | Dave | :D |
| 13:28.34 | Dave | good call, roh :) |
| 13:28.37 | newb | is there any IM for the NEO? |
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| 13:29.19 | mickeyl | hey pwgen |
| 13:29.21 | Dave | No |
| 13:29.22 | mickeyl | how's it going? |
| 13:29.27 | Lo-lan-do | Hi all |
| 13:29.35 | mickeyl | pwgen: i added some things from your defconfig back to OE |
| 13:29.55 | Lo-lan-do | Just wondering... is the problem that sound does not come back up after suspend/resume worked on? |
| 13:30.17 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: 14 hours standby thats all , and how do i get rid of the echo sound when talking ? |
| 13:31.18 | mickeyl | 14hours standbye w/ resume is not enough |
| 13:31.26 | mickeyl | s/resume/suspend&resume |
| 13:31.34 | mickeyl | seems we're still wasting current somewhere |
| 13:31.38 | newb | Lo-lan-do: ur worrying about sound? i'm still trying to make calls :) |
| 13:31.39 | mickeyl | or was that without suspend? |
| 13:31.53 | mickeyl | pwgen: as for the echo sound. what does AT@ST? give? |
| 13:32.01 | Lo-lan-do | newb: What use is a phone call if all the phone does is vibrate? :-) |
| 13:32.19 | newb | Lo-lan-do: true |
| 13:32.29 | Dave | o_O |
| 13:32.35 | Dave | Vibrates... while you're talking? |
| 13:32.37 | `pwgen` | i should only the gsm powered up. but my gta01 will completely drained after more than approx 14 hours |
| 13:32.51 | mickeyl | ah |
| 13:32.51 | mickeyl | 01 |
| 13:32.56 | mickeyl | that's expected |
| 13:32.59 | mickeyl | and as good as it will get |
| 13:32.59 | Dave | pwgen, from what I hear, that's pretty sweet |
| 13:33.01 | Dave | it blew |
| 13:33.03 | mickeyl | i thought you were talking 02 |
| 13:33.07 | mickeyl | in that case it would be lousy |
| 13:33.13 | Lo-lan-do | Dave: No, I was just aiming for a Matrix parody. But there's no ringing (or touch screen feedback) after a suspend/resume. |
| 13:33.18 | mickeyl | 01 has current leaks, there's no way we can get much beyond 14h |
| 13:34.10 | rebelThor | how much does the 02 last? |
| 13:34.30 | `pwgen` | hmm damm , so i am at the maximum, at@ST -> +cms error , op not allowed |
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| 13:37.13 | Dave | Haha, I can't wait to see how my driver cc goes today |
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| 13:39.26 | mickeyl | pwgen: AT@ST? |
| 13:39.30 | mickeyl | don't forget the question mark |
| 13:40.09 | `pwgen` | ahh ... +st -5 |
| 13:40.52 | mickeyl | ok, try AT@ST=-26 |
| 13:40.52 | Dave | missng ` |
| 13:40.58 | mickeyl | check whether that improves anything |
| 13:41.08 | mickeyl | should slightly make it better |
| 13:47.31 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re844509fefaa 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion of opkg to 4545 |
| 13:47.32 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5fde48bbb706 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 202 |
| 13:48.00 | kd8ikt | why didnt anyone tell me my script didnt work DAVE! |
| 13:48.15 | kd8ikt | well now it does but needs some cleaning |
| 13:48.52 | kd8ikt | dunno about failure conditions though |
| 13:53.08 | mickeyl | `pwgen|: ogsmd HEAD will issue AT@ST=-26 by default on startup |
| 13:53.13 | mickeyl | later versions did not |
| 13:53.26 | Openfree | how to avoid link "__udivsi3" function,when i compile img, |
| 13:53.35 | Dave | rut roh |
| 13:53.47 | Openfree | seems i use wrong cflags or ldflags |
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| 13:54.05 | Pinaraf | hi |
| 13:54.43 | Pinaraf | I'd like to contribute to OpenStreetMap using my FreeRunner, but I don't know what software to use... I'm using distribution 2007.2 currently (but I'm willing to change of course) |
| 13:54.47 | Pinaraf | any advice ? |
| 13:55.05 | Pinaraf | the wiki suggests an app called GPS trail, but it's not in my opkg repositories (default repositories) |
| 13:55.52 | Dave | trail? o.O |
| 13:56.06 | jamewill | Pinaraf, see the guide to how to do this on tangogps.org |
| 13:56.21 | bobkare | Pinaraf: tangogps can log tracks |
| 13:56.50 | LetoTo | hmm, I like FSO much better then ASU. |
| 13:57.02 | LetoTo | will have to dual boot the phone for now :P |
| 13:57.41 | jamewill | Pinaraf, http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/13-Howto-contribute-to-OpenStreetMap.html |
| 13:57.43 | bobkare | I'm not quite sure if following that tangogps.org guide is such a good idea, some of what he does can lead to some questionable data quality |
| 13:57.51 | Dave | huhuhu |
| 13:57.52 | Lo-lan-do | Pinaraf: Recent TangoGPS has a track-recording feature. |
| 13:58.07 | Dave | hah, bob |
| 13:58.15 | Dave | true ;] |
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| 13:59.34 | bobkare | Uh, wth, he doesn't even download the existing map data around where he edits. that's a good way to mess things up... |
| 13:59.44 | Dave | releases a bag of weasels in kd8ikt's house |
| 14:00.16 | Lo-lan-do | LetoTo: FSO is still phone-only, right? |
| 14:00.18 | Dave | bobkare, right, the gps might be accurate, but it certainly isn't guaranteed to corellate with the map locations :D |
| 14:00.25 | Dave | I frequently experience that. |
| 14:00.29 | Pinaraf | thanks folks, I'm gonna look at it |
| 14:00.57 | bobkare | Dave: And it will definitely not connect your new road to existing roads in the area |
| 14:01.06 | Pinaraf | bobkare: then what app should I use ? |
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| 14:01.30 | Dave | bobkare, sometimes I wonder where they got some of their data |
| 14:01.32 | Pinaraf | or should I write my own app ? |
| 14:01.38 | bobkare | tangogps, but just log a track and convert it to gpx |
| 14:01.40 | Dave | for example it shows a road through my building... |
| 14:01.46 | Dave | (which is clearly impossible) |
| 14:02.03 | LetoTo | Lo-lan-do: phone only? dunno. think it works on emulator too? |
| 14:02.05 | Dave | I mean, I believe there might have been one say 200 years ago |
| 14:02.09 | Dave | but gps didn't exist then :) |
| 14:02.19 | Dave | Perhaps I should correct that on OSM |
| 14:02.25 | Lo-lan-do | LetoTo: I meant it only does phone, no GPS, right? |
| 14:02.41 | bobkare | Dave: might be done from out-of-copyright maps, especially if you're in UK |
| 14:02.43 | LetoTo | FSO does gps+phone |
| 14:02.52 | Dave | I'm in the US |
| 14:02.56 | LetoTo | I havent checked the ASU gps stuff. i can do it now |
| 14:03.04 | Lo-lan-do | LetoTo: TangoGPS? Phone with contacts? |
| 14:03.05 | bobkare | Dave: Ah, right. that's probably tiger data then |
| 14:03.19 | Dave | also there clearly are road type differentiations, at least on OSM |
| 14:03.32 | bobkare | Dave: which is frequently bonkers afaik |
| 14:03.38 | Dave | but some people have to understand that a path through the woods and a street are not necessarily teh same thing |
| 14:03.42 | Dave | bobkare, bonkers! |
| 14:03.49 | Dave | evidently :| |
| 14:04.08 | SpeedEvil | Dave: it may be tracing from ariel photos |
| 14:04.09 | Dave | speaking of tiger... I need to test out my new shiny postgis db with tiger data |
| 14:04.16 | Dave | speedevil, likely |
| 14:04.18 | SpeedEvil | Dave: what is the location? |
| 14:04.27 | Dave | just because trucks can drive there doesn't mean it's a road! |
| 14:04.28 | Dave | :D |
| 14:04.59 | Dave | aliens are mapping our roads! |
| 14:05.12 | Lo-lan-do | Dave: Nonono, he said "ariels" |
| 14:05.28 | SpeedEvil | Dave: photos from planes. |
| 14:05.32 | SpeedEvil | and satellites |
| 14:05.39 | SpeedEvil | And really tall people. |
| 14:05.52 | Dave | :) |
| 14:05.57 | Dave | Are you really tall? |
| 14:06.00 | SpeedEvil | And trained zombie giraffe armies. |
| 14:06.08 | Dave | zomgoodness! |
| 14:06.25 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: i missed 5 days of development, visited some nice hippie festival in herzberg ... |
| 14:06.27 | SpeedEvil | And tiger data ratehr blows in places. |
| 14:06.29 | wibbit | I thought it was just photo's of different types of aerial receivers. |
| 14:06.35 | kd8ikt | you get to name the streets? |
| 14:06.50 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: in OSM, you get to do everything. |
| 14:06.54 | kd8ikt | oh sorry i ws reading a few lines up |
| 14:06.59 | Dave | oy |
| 14:07.01 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: sounds good |
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| 14:07.15 | Dave | So that might explain why one of the road names here has a typo in it? :D |
| 14:07.17 | `pwgen` | year. it sounded VERY goof |
| 14:07.31 | kd8ikt | wasnt me dave |
| 14:07.33 | `pwgen` | s/goof/good/ |
| 14:07.37 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 14:07.37 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 14:08.06 | wibbit | doing what? |
| 14:08.20 | summatusmentis | ~_~ ? |
| 14:08.20 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 14:08.28 | wibbit | ~_~ |
| 14:08.29 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 14:08.38 | Dave | -_- |
| 14:08.49 | wibbit | *_* |
| 14:08.55 | Dave | ribbit |
| 14:09.01 | Ainulindale | It's not a gm |
| 14:09.05 | Ainulindale | s/gm/game/. |
| 14:09.10 | bobkare | Dave: Heh, that brings you to the whole question of what the right name is... (especially when you get streets where different signs have different spellings) :P |
| 14:09.17 | Ainulindale | (Borked my return) |
| 14:09.26 | kd8ikt | #macintosh copyrighted code ; dd if=/dev/zero of=/apple/osx_installcd.iso bs=700M count=1 |
| 14:09.30 | summatusmentis | I wonder why it doesn't like the tilde eyes |
| 14:09.44 | Dave | bobkare, haha, oy |
| 14:10.22 | Dave | Ah, good 'ol Rofle Ave :) |
| 14:10.39 | LetoTo | this channel has definately picked up pace since july 3rd :) |
| 14:11.00 | Dave | Unfortunately :) |
| 14:11.01 | *** join/#openmoko jebba (n=jebba@unaffiliated/jebba) |
| 14:11.01 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: I am to foolish? AT@ST=-26 ..... ERROR ... |
| 14:11.13 | Dave | ABORT ABORT! |
| 14:11.54 | SpeedEvil | Dave: where ar eyou? |
| 14:12.28 | `pwgen` | ahh missing "-26" ... rtfm |
| 14:12.38 | Dave | In your union, inflatin' your currenciez |
| 14:12.38 | kd8ikt | am i the only one who has nightmares about my screen being busted? |
| 14:12.50 | SpeedEvil | Dave: US? |
| 14:12.56 | Dave | Oh, Yes :) |
| 14:12.56 | daMaestro | kd8ikt, i ordered the invisible shield |
| 14:12.57 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: insurance. |
| 14:13.02 | SpeedEvil | daMaestro: k |
| 14:13.02 | daMaestro | kd8ikt, i'll let you know what i think about it |
| 14:13.07 | Dave | Speedevil, I'll send you GPS coordinates in a bit :) |
| 14:13.13 | *** join/#openmoko hari (n=hklein@66.187.227.198) |
| 14:13.18 | kd8ikt | is that just a sticker that goes over it? |
| 14:13.23 | SpeedEvil | readies the zombie giraffe army. |
| 14:13.24 | Dave | invisible shield? force protector? warp field stabilized? |
| 14:13.28 | Dave | hoenoes |
| 14:13.33 | Dave | hides from Speedevil |
| 14:13.42 | kd8ikt | Mr's scott we need warp speed |
| 14:13.49 | Dave | oh man |
| 14:13.52 | `pwgen` | is it knowm where the gta01 drains the missing power ( 14h * ~25 mA = 300 mA ) there is somehing draining 80 mA . |
| 14:14.00 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: invisible shield, and the protector I'm selling are clear plastic films that go over the front of the fisplay. |
| 14:14.03 | Dave | someone is just going to have to photoshop a FR into an old TOS clip now :P |
| 14:14.09 | daMaestro | kd8ikt, http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/openmoko-neo-freerunner-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php |
| 14:14.10 | kd8ikt | hey SpeedEvil i finished my script, well its never truely finished i'll keep toying with it |
| 14:14.16 | *** join/#openmoko jakobsg (n=chatzill@0x5739b806.hcnqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 14:14.23 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: Can I bother you in private for some questions ? |
| 14:14.25 | Dave | kd8ikt, needz moar pearl!1111 |
| 14:14.26 | Ainulindale | (I'll be quick) |
| 14:14.28 | jakobsg | There seems to be a little package problem: Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 |
| 14:14.30 | jakobsg | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.31 | SpeedEvil | `pwgen`: what power loss? |
| 14:14.34 | Dave | Hello Ainulindale :) |
| 14:14.45 | SpeedEvil | `pwgen`: you have turned the audio modem off? |
| 14:14.55 | SpeedEvil | `pwgen`: err |
| 14:14.57 | kd8ikt | nah i worry about my screen getting cracked not a few scuffs |
| 14:14.58 | mjr | has a few zagg discount codes by the way; they are useful only if you're ordering one protector from there, otherwise you get the same or better discount already. But if you want one, /msg |
| 14:14.59 | SpeedEvil | `pwgen`: audio amp |
| 14:15.02 | Ainulindale | Dave: hi |
| 14:15.02 | `pwgen` | my gta01 is empty after approx 14 hours |
| 14:15.09 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: scuffs won't do it. |
| 14:15.14 | Dave | mjr :D |
| 14:15.14 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: sitting on it will |
| 14:15.26 | SpeedEvil | `pwgen`: in suspend to RAM? |
| 14:15.32 | `pwgen` | ahh that was undermy suspicious the audio power part |
| 14:15.43 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: you can however insure it for that. |
| 14:15.48 | Dave | speedevil, does your super-duper protector bubble, deform, and then melt, when left in the car? |
| 14:15.48 | kd8ikt | or like stuffing it in a pocket with keys |
| 14:15.51 | SpeedEvil | `pwgen`: you can alsamixer to turn it off. |
| 14:15.51 | Dave | :P |
| 14:16.00 | Dave | kd8ikt, yeah |
| 14:16.11 | Dave | kd8ikt, need a fancy beltholder for it :D |
| 14:16.21 | Dave | that crappy neoprene case doesn't quite do it |
| 14:16.32 | kd8ikt | i need like a plastic shield to put over the front so i can shove it in my pocket and not worry about the touchscreen |
| 14:16.34 | Dave | plus I noticed, ironically, the stylus scratches the screen |
| 14:16.35 | Dave | how retarded |
| 14:16.39 | `pwgen` | SpeedEvil: i have read the wm8753 manual and there is mentioned the apm modes and switches |
| 14:16.39 | Ainulindale | kd8ikt: invisible shield |
| 14:16.47 | Ainulindale | kd8ikt: http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/openmoko-neo-freerunner-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php |
| 14:16.58 | Dave | kd8ikt, yeah, some badass one |
| 14:17.00 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: that's basically what I'm selling - and invisibleshield too. |
| 14:17.03 | Dave | zagg.com? |
| 14:17.04 | kd8ikt | is it hard plastic? and stop massive preasure on the touchscreen? |
| 14:17.17 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: it does nothign about cracking. |
| 14:17.28 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: only small scratches. |
| 14:17.30 | Dave | you're detracting from speedy's business! |
| 14:17.31 | Lo-lan-do | But if you buy the full-body shield, do you need to throw it away every time the FR freezes and you need to open it to remove the battery? |
| 14:17.33 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 14:17.37 | LetoTo | that zagg mostly shows me a blanc page. does it screen protect web pages too? :) |
| 14:17.40 | Ainulindale | Lo-lan-do: no. |
| 14:17.54 | kd8ikt | if i wanted to protect the screen from scratches i woulda left the plastic screen condom on it that it came with |
| 14:18.17 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: no - the shields are _much_ more transparent thant that and are not visible. |
| 14:18.24 | *** part/#openmoko mjs (n=mjs@kitchen.cbr.su.se) |
| 14:18.28 | Lo-lan-do | Are there any distributors in Europe? |
| 14:18.29 | Dave | lawl, fucking soe :p |
| 14:18.49 | kd8ikt | a lot of good a transparent condom will do when the lcd is cracking and leaking fluid on you |
| 14:19.06 | bobkare | SpeedEvil: What would it cost to have one sent to Norway? |
| 14:19.09 | kd8ikt | cause you ran into a street sign |
| 14:19.29 | kd8ikt | or bumped a corner of a table |
| 14:19.43 | SpeedEvil | bobkare: free - $5 total |
| 14:19.57 | Pinaraf | I still have some problems with TTFF |
| 14:19.58 | Dave | haha |
| 14:20.06 | Dave | bobkare, er du norsk? :D |
| 14:20.08 | Pinaraf | three days ago, it working after 4/5 minutes |
| 14:20.18 | bobkare | SpeedEvil: Heh, where do i order? |
| 14:20.19 | Pinaraf | but today it looks like it decided not to work :/ |
| 14:20.24 | bobkare | Dave: Ja |
| 14:20.27 | Dave | :D |
| 14:20.33 | Pinaraf | are the software patches already in the nightly builds ? |
| 14:20.48 | Lo-lan-do | Pinaraf: They are, at least for OM2007.2 |
| 14:20.52 | bobkare | Dave: Utvandret? |
| 14:20.58 | SpeedEvil | PM me for paypal address, then add a note with your address. |
| 14:21.21 | Dave | ;p |
| 14:21.26 | Dave | saaa |
| 14:21.38 | Dave | hvor i norge kommer du fra? :D |
| 14:22.02 | bobkare | Oslo naa, driver aa flytter til Bergen |
| 14:22.15 | Dave | aaaaah :D |
| 14:22.15 | Pinaraf | ok, I'll upgrade then |
| 14:22.24 | Dave | InvisibleShield -- Where is it!?!? |
| 14:22.27 | Dave | I can't see it! |
| 14:23.02 | SpeedEvil | Dave: I can supply a shield, with NOT INVISIBLE in green marker on the front if you like :) |
| 14:23.10 | Dave | bobkare, hyggelig å treffe deg :] |
| 14:23.30 | Dave | Speedevil, can I select a different color? :) |
| 14:23.47 | HauDyrArb | Dave, either you have a good translater or else are you holding something back about your language capabliltys :-) |
| 14:23.51 | jamasi | Pinaraf, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
| 14:24.00 | Dave | haudryarab >:) |
| 14:24.06 | Dave | I told you I was incognito. |
| 14:24.07 | Pinaraf | jamasi: I'm reading it |
| 14:24.14 | LetoTo | hmm, anyone know how to mount jffs2 fs on desktop so i can copy it to microsd so i can alternate boot into it on the openmoko? |
| 14:24.16 | Pinaraf | but it's far far from clear and readable |
| 14:24.23 | LetoTo | mount -t jffs2 does not work :) |
| 14:25.14 | mjr | LetoTo, you'd need to first map it into a virtual memory technology device. Don't recall how, but there's some search terms for you :] |
| 14:25.26 | *** join/#openmoko polz (n=polz@cpe-90-157-213-131.dynamic.amis.net) |
| 14:25.35 | `pwgen` | you had to do some loopback things before you can mount via jffs2 |
| 14:25.41 | LetoTo | but i just want it mounted on loopback? |
| 14:25.46 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r5c411d21d16a 10/classes/java.bbclass: java.bbclass: |
| 14:25.46 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * rbc2833440894 10/packages/ (8 files in 6 dirs): merge of 'ba2394dc8bed77043b229f3e5c42b4b69aeca918' |
| 14:25.47 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r2fc7c9593a74 10/classes/java.bbclass: merge of '613d006a5a3c8c6629c2a0b9a905bfc4a80484ca' |
| 14:25.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openmoko.dev * r45c400d622d0 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): linux-xilinx-slab : Modify kernel bb file for xilinx based ppc boards using |
| 14:25.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openmoko.dev * r0c42f4501472 10/ (7 files in 6 dirs): merge of 'a1c5133ec8dfc7768c8883c8aa89593ce01f57cb' |
| 14:25.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * re23aa16fcfb5 10/classes/java.bbclass: merge of '1b17ea5d09e29a9b9960e907c6a56908b349ff98' |
| 14:25.56 | mjr | LetoTo, but nothing |
| 14:25.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r56289d91b324 10/packages/ (16 files in 4 dirs): First patch in a series of olsr cleanups |
| 14:25.59 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * ra27dbdfa5754 10/packages/olsr/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Second part of OLSR cleanup. |
| 14:26.02 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r83f27ead66ab 10/packages/ (18 files in 4 dirs): Last part of OLSR cleanup |
| 14:26.05 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r50f680793cfc 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix small oversights in OLSR cleanup |
| 14:26.05 | Dave | openmoko spammen |
| 14:26.07 | dlowe | LetoTo: losetup /dev/loop0 filename |
| 14:26.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r6ce9d36de1bf 10/packages/obsolete/ (28 files in 5 dirs): Removing recipes that are untouched for months from obsolete/ |
| 14:26.10 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 14:26.10 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 14:26.19 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * rec450d3ac9a6 10/packages/obsolete/jamvm/.mtn2git_empty: obsolete/jamvm: Removed empty directory. |
| 14:26.22 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r2426703bcacd 10/packages/cacao/ (11 files in 2 dirs): cacao: Cleanup and new recipe. |
| 14:26.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r7a8cae0d379f 10/packages/cacao/ (11 files in 2 dirs): disapproval of revision 'ba3fd04d7fb91b031d23b8b8abdfd77186ece799' |
| 14:26.28 | Dave | apt: hold kjeft! |
| 14:26.29 | apt | ACTION Embraces kjeft! in a giant bear hug. Then gets bored and uses kjeft! as a chew toy. |
| 14:26.29 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r28bf42030bf5 10/packages/cacao/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Add a new cacao revision and add support for changed configure options (new in 0.99) |
| 14:26.31 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r3bbe42df8f08 10/packages/midpath/ (44 files in 2 dirs): Removal of midpath 0.1, addition of midpath 0.3 rc1 |
| 14:26.36 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * ra0c1e1daf451 10/conf/distro/ (include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc openmoko.conf): Remove uses of midpath 0.1 and replace with what is needed for 0.3. |
| 14:26.36 | Dave | HAHA |
| 14:26.38 | mjr | STOP DEVELOPING SO MUCH! |
| 14:26.39 | dlowe | LetoTo: then mount /dev/loop0 directory |
| 14:26.43 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r7d69de9767ae 10/packages/midpath/ (midpath-maemo_0.2+0.3rc1.bb midpath-openmoko_0.2+0.3rc1.bb): midpath-maemo 0.2+0.3rc1: Added pnum 0 to patch. |
| 14:26.47 | Dave | hahaha :D |
| 14:26.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r5cc06a8ea694 10/packages/cacao/files/cacao-0.99.1-build-java-runtime-library-classes.patch: cacao 0.99.1: Added missing patch file to repository. |
| 14:26.48 | bobkare | Dave: Hahahaha |
| 14:26.50 | mjr | dlowe, doesn't work |
| 14:26.51 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r21213637bc5f 10/conf/distro/chinook-compat.conf: chinook-compat: Added libsdl-mixer version preference to 1.2.6. |
| 14:26.51 | Dave | mjr - agreed :p |
| 14:26.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * rbb4f0ea256cd 10/packages/midpath/files/midpath-launcher-j2se: midpath: Allow overriding the JAVA executable in start script |
| 14:26.59 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * rf1d1cfd5034f 10/packages/jamvm/ (jamvm.inc jamvm_1.4.5.bb jamvm_1.5.0.bb jamvm_1.5.1.bb): jamvm: Lowered update-alternatives to 5 (lesser than cacao). |
| 14:27.04 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r9e2d27c5c989 10/packages/cacao/cacao_0.98+hg20080519.bb: cacao 0.98+hg20080519: Removed superfluous \ from SRC_URI. |
| 14:27.05 | Pinaraf | ho, a CIA bot... long time I didn't see such a bot flooding :) |
| 14:27.10 | Dave | sics apt on thebohemian |
| 14:27.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * ra1528a669d48 10/packages/cacao/ (3 files in 2 dirs): cacao-native 0.99.1: New recipe. |
| 14:27.14 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r43a05bb80fb3 10/packages/cacao/ (3 files in 2 dirs): disapproval of revision 'a846a4c23e94c3e771fd7aaf448e8bb4e11f4506' |
| 14:27.17 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r47ae051fbbca 10/packages/cacao/ (cacao-native.inc cacao-native_0.99.1.bb): cacao-native 0.99.1: New recipe. |
| 14:27.22 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * r9b4cd88c4a4c 10/conf/distro/chinook-compat.conf: chinook-compat: make it more Maemo compatible |
| 14:27.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r9bc3433674b9 10/packages/freesmartphone/frameworkd_git.bb: frameworkd git needs python-shell now |
| 14:27.26 | LetoTo | dlove: same as doing it directly.. |
| 14:27.28 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r7a8b7b731dfd 10/ (136 files in 23 dirs): merge of '28c74aa25680384c6f311fd8f4123ddb27c1ba65' |
| 14:27.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * r857aebaee06b 10/packages/cmake/cmake-native_2.6.0.bb: cmake-native: added 2.6.0 (from Poky) |
| 14:27.40 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * r4fef63ee8d25 10/classes/cmake.bbclass: cmake.bbclass: use cross-compilation support with 2.6.0 (from Poky) |
| 14:27.40 | tonyg | all - with fso, does it need to be booted from sd card?? it doesn't work "out of the box" when flashed, for me |
| 14:27.42 | Dave | this is why no one uses this antiquated POS bots anymore |
| 14:27.43 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * r2ffdb2eb60fd 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: sync with Poky |
| 14:27.45 | LetoTo | MTD: Attempt to mount non-MTD device "/dev/loop0" |
| 14:27.50 | CIA-46 | (114 lines omitted) |
| 14:27.52 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rd4cbabdc061e 10/packages/angstrom/angstrom-feed-configs.bb: angstrom feed configs: bump PR |
| 14:27.54 | Dave | rofl |
| 14:27.55 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rda82c9e68cad 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): glibc 2.6.1: change optimizations flags for armv7a |
| 14:27.58 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3e51f840243e 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/arm/alignment.sh initscripts_1.0.bb): initscripts: do not poke at /proc/cpu/alignment on armv7, it slows libavcodec down with 50% |
| 14:28.05 | Dave | thank gawd for that one :P |
| 14:28.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r830b1578125a 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/arm/alignment.sh initscripts_1.0.bb): initscripts: fix typo in previous commit |
| 14:28.10 | LetoTo | jmm CIA should be on its seperate channel :) |
| 14:28.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r871a3a11f108 10/packages/gnash/gnash-minimal.inc: gnash-minimal: fix depends |
| 14:28.19 | Dave | CIA-46: drit i det! |
| 14:28.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * rc0848ed0b6b6 10/ (36 files in 24 dirs): merge of 'd186ad540510a4f04ab08186965e402582c0b260' |
| 14:28.23 | Lo-lan-do | There seems to have been some backlog |
| 14:28.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03steve 07org.openmoko.dev * r404b325220b3 10/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): linux-omap2 git: make beagle resolution a kconfig option |
| 14:28.26 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r1201caaabd6f 10/conf/bitbake.conf: bitbake.conf: fix PARALLEL_MAKE, it hasn't been working lately. Patch by Richard Purdie |
| 14:28.30 | Dave | :[ |
| 14:28.35 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r023db0801a59 10/packages/sl/sl_3.03.bb: sl: fix parse error |
| 14:28.38 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rcfedfcdbcd64 10/packages/images/beagleboard-demo-image.bb: beagleboard demo image: add swfdec-mozilla |
| 14:28.41 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3270dc83f7fc 10/packages/dsplink/ (dsplink.inc dsplink_1.50.bb dsplink_1.51.00.08.bb): dsplink: fix dependencies |
| 14:28.48 | Pinaraf | I'm quite surprised CIA-46 hasn't been kicked by ChanServ for flooding... |
| 14:28.50 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3a6d46316f94 10/packages/images/dsplink-test-image.bb: dsplink test image: add image for testing TI dsplink |
| 14:28.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rad659f397d56 10/conf/machine/neuros-osd2.conf: neuros-osd2: add (disabled) framework for creating ready-to-flash upk images |
| 14:28.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r12317f46a6c6 10/conf/machine/neuros-osd2.conf: neuros-osd2: set uboot machine |
| 14:28.57 | Dave | They're colluding! |
| 14:28.58 | *** join/#openmoko toggles (n=tommy@pool-70-17-182-123.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 14:29.05 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r84c4443f4e85 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add mdbus, a convenient dbus introspection/interaction console utility |
| 14:29.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r83bdce78f161 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): merge of '1e903c1b7aaf83f6d6191a71231f8862e397e14c' |
| 14:29.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rffa7d69c9e82 10/conf/machine/neuros-osd2.conf: neuros-osd2: fix typo |
| 14:29.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r435a77437731 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merge of '0c449bd860651c16124dcc0cc2cd07689c45f195' |
| 14:29.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r37bc56589f8e 10/conf/machine/ (include/neuros.inc neuros-osd2.conf): neuros osd2: move upk to .inc so osd1 can use it as well |
| 14:29.26 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r79ee6456d752 10/conf/machine/neuros-osd2.conf: neuros osd2: really set uboot machine correctly... |
| 14:29.29 | Dave | wahahaha |
| 14:29.33 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re13f3be60dcc 10/packages/u-boot/ (files/Makefile-fix.patch u-boot_git.bb): u-boot git: add support for neuros-osd2 |
| 14:29.36 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r190d799bc117 10/packages/u-boot/ (3 files in 2 dirs): u-boot-env: dummy package to generate a script for setting up the default environment in u-boot |
| 14:29.45 | Dave | slaps mickeyl around a bit with a large CIA-46 |
| 14:29.45 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rfc0c6042d50d 10/packages/neuros-pkggen/ (11 files in 2 dirs): neuros-pkggen native: add tool to generate ready to flash upk images |
| 14:29.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3be3f7dfe9b7 10/conf/machine/include/neuros.inc: neuros.inc: add IMAGE_DEPENDS |
| 14:29.51 | CIA-46 | (213 lines omitted) |
| 14:29.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * rdf9b7128b5ed 10/packages/opkg-utils/ (.mtn2git_empty opkg-utils-native_svn.bb opkg-utils_svn.bb): opkg-utils: Add from poky |
| 14:30.00 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * r94c2d442004b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: Add opkg-utils |
| 14:30.00 | Lo-lan-do | Nobody can say development is slow, anyway. |
| 14:30.03 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * r85fa69ac820b 10/conf/bitbake.conf: bitbake.conf: Disable PACKAGES_DYANMIC until we upgrade bitbake |
| 14:30.08 | XorA | heh heh |
| 14:30.09 | Dave | lolando :D |
| 14:30.12 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rdfd583dcc9b0 10/packages/ffmpeg/ (ffmpeg_git.bb omapfbplay_git.bb): ffmpeg: bump SRCREV |
| 14:30.14 | XorA | second part of the SCM merge now complete |
| 14:30.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * red3cbbdd6723 10/packages/freesmartphone/frameworkd/magician/ (.mtn2git_empty frameworkd.conf): frameworkd: add configuration for magician |
| 14:30.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rae5fbf8de337 10/packages/linux/linux-neuros_git.bb: linux neuros: bump SRCREV |
| 14:30.21 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r8c6c6a3589e3 10/packages/pulseaudio/ (pulseaudio-0.9.10/libiconv.patch pulseaudio_0.9.10.bb): pulseaudio: fix libtool linking |
| 14:30.25 | XorA | OM is now upto date with yesterdays OE |
| 14:30.26 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r8972893b994c 10/packages/speech-dispatcher/ (files/configure_fix.patch speech-dispatcher_0.6.6.bb): speech-dispatcher: fix configure.in for c++ |
| 14:30.29 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rb3467128820c 10/packages/dfu-util/ (dfu-util-native_svn.bb dfu-util_svn.bb): dfu-util-native: link to the last built dfu-util |
| 14:30.32 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r9a0ce457734a 10/packages/dfu-util/ (dfu-util-native_svn.bb dfu-util_svn.bb): merge of 'bd40bda8858164c7f6d35494b85fbc1df9474e4d' |
| 14:30.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r9d2a0a03ec5d 10/packages/alsa/ (alsa-oss_1.0.15.bb files/libio.patch): alsa-oss: fix stdioemu.c for uclibc |
| 14:30.40 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rb6b1aa013e04 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): linux-openmoko-devel git compile ext2fs into kernel to ease booting from SD |
| 14:30.43 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r5e8be21108d7 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): u-boot-openmoko * remove deprecated svn versions, add git versions |
| 14:30.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03svolpe 07org.openmoko.dev * rad27aed480e3 10/ (conf/machine/at91-l9260.conf packages/linux/linux_2.6.25.bb): Added machine file for Olimex AT91SAM development board |
| 14:30.51 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r4548 10/developers/zecke/app_restarter/ (. app_restarter.c): Restart a server process. Inspired by e_alert.c, it will show a XWindow asking the user... |
| 14:30.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rf244e9126fa9 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): u-boot-openmoko * refactor into .inc file and update sane-srcrevs |
| 14:30.56 | Lo-lan-do | XorA: So tomorrow's opkg upgrade will bring goodness? |
| 14:30.59 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * ra2ae44e98cf2 10/packages/alsa/ (alsa-oss_1.0.15.bb files/libio.patch): merge of '208f1ed94f96d48ebd0a914e436fb7a6e203f681' |
| 14:31.02 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r412bab593873 10/contrib/python/generate-manifest-2.5.py: generate-manifest-2.5.py: not in sync with manifest.inc |
| 14:31.07 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rea63a5d986e2 10/contrib/python/generate-manifest-2.5.py: generate-manifest-2.5.py: pdb requires pprint |
| 14:31.10 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r99572d390148 10/contrib/python/generate-manifest-2.5.py: generate-manifest-2.5.py: add python-difflib |
| 14:31.13 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r0b843bf14391 10/contrib/python/generate-manifest-2.5.py: generate-manifest-2.5.py: add python-doctest |
| 14:31.16 | XorA | Lo-lan-do: the images work, bugger knows what mess opkg will make though :-) |
| 14:31.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rce15715630e3 10/packages/python/ (python-2.5-manifest.inc python_2.5.2.bb): python-2.5-manifest.inc: update by generate-manifest-2.5.py |
| 14:31.21 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03svolpe 07org.openmoko.dev * r620cab5bdb49 10/packages/linux/linux_2.6.25.bb: Added at91-l9260 to supported machines for the linux-2.6.25 kernel |
| 14:31.24 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03svolpe 07org.openmoko.dev * ra0a966e4bb1e 10/ (conf/machine/at91-l9260.conf packages/linux/linux_2.6.25.bb): merge of '1111600f6f0e98778deec94f838de80fd1db927b' |
| 14:31.29 | CIA-46 | (15 lines omitted) |
| 14:31.38 | Lo-lan-do | XorA: What visible changes, if any? |
| 14:31.49 | Lo-lan-do | (No, I didn't scrutinize all these commit messages) |
| 14:31.58 | XorA | Lo-lan-do: nothing really |
| 14:32.03 | Dave | BlAME |
| 14:32.11 | Lo-lan-do | Shame. |
| 14:32.20 | XorA | Lo-lan-do: just an exercise in not allowing OM to drift too far and become unmaintainable |
| 14:32.21 | Dave | maim! |
| 14:32.22 | Dave | :D |
| 14:33.06 | XorA | new u-boot versions I guess is the main change |
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| 14:35.14 | LetoTo | http://handhelds.org/hypermail/familiar/62/6232.html failed too. mtd is then only 4mb? |
| 14:35.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rbaccce447e2f 10/packages/packagekit/packagekit_git.bb: [packagekit] Add a patch to packagekit |
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| 14:40.37 | SpeedEvil | AVee: :) |
| 14:40.40 | SpeedEvil | dave: |
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| 14:43.01 | mjr | rotfls, a bit late, at CIA-46's "(15 lines omitted)" |
| 14:43.01 | Sargun_screen | I wonder when my Debug board / FR are going to ship. |
| 14:43.17 | Dave | Speedevil, I'd also like a hard, clamshell like protector |
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| 14:43.59 | Dave | Speedevil, I am also just interested to know what other sorts of neat modifications or ideas you have thought of |
| 14:44.10 | Dave | At least those you would be willing to divulge freely :) |
| 14:44.25 | SpeedEvil | Dave: I've thought of many. |
| 14:45.38 | SpeedEvil | Dave: the problem is that many of them would need non-trivial initial orders, in order to make a usable case. |
| 14:45.58 | SpeedEvil | Dave: or for the GTA01-wifi - at least a couple of stock cases to develop the mod with. |
| 14:48.44 | Dave | Right |
| 14:49.00 | Dave | I wouldn't put too much money into GTA01 designs though |
| 14:49.04 | Dave | I wouldn't know however |
| 14:49.18 | Dave | Personally I would wish for a total case redesign for the next model |
| 14:49.31 | SpeedEvil | I was thinking of a $50 service to add wifi to your GTA01. |
| 14:49.47 | LetoTo | the gta01 market is prob too small |
| 14:49.51 | Dave | and a fucking wallwart jack !@^$@$#%@# even if I have to kill someone |
| 14:49.55 | SpeedEvil | (plus postage) |
| 14:50.08 | LetoTo | how about an internal usb port for gta2 and prefill it with some 3G frob :) |
| 14:50.10 | Lo-lan-do | wallwart jack? |
| 14:50.14 | Dave | :D |
| 14:50.37 | Dave | Behold, the phone which smites your enemies! |
| 14:51.18 | mjr | reminds me, anyone want to compile usb_modeswitch for the Freerunner so I could test my 3g stick on it without bothering with the crosscompile toolchain ;) |
| 14:51.38 | Dave | set host mode |
| 14:51.45 | Dave | mjr I'm going to be doing that shortly when I go into the lab |
| 14:51.49 | mjr | LetoTo, anyways, there is internal usb, just that the bluetooth's behind that |
| 14:51.54 | Dave | I'm testing usb wireless dongle and camera |
| 14:52.05 | Dave | fucking drivers I'll have to attempt to cross-compile I fear |
| 14:52.53 | mjr | (my 3g stick requires some control signals by usb_modeswitch sent so that it starts acting like a modem and not like a windows driver cd :]Â ) |
| 14:52.53 | LetoTo | mjr: which 3g frob do you have? |
| 14:53.07 | mjr | huawei e169 |
| 14:54.09 | mjr | I'll note again that I don't really intend to use it with the neo, but one just _has_ to _try it out_ |
| 14:54.37 | Lo-lan-do | mjr: If it works and you don't intend to use it, send it this way :-) |
| 14:55.13 | mjr | _With the neo_. I have good use for it on my lappie and backup use on my desktop box, thankyouverymuch :] |
| 14:55.38 | Lo-lan-do | Nonono, not fair! |
| 14:55.38 | Dave | So does anyone know if -anyone- else has tried usb camera yet with the gta01/gta02? |
| 14:55.48 | Dave | haha |
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| 15:01.59 | Sargun_screen | SpeedEvil: What do you think about using the CaFe ASIC from the olpc project to drive a camera |
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| 15:02.16 | Sargun_screen | and an SDHC interface |
| 15:02.46 | jonsmith1982 | does openmoko have any involvment with the LiMo Foundation? |
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| 15:04.31 | KrisAbsinthe | SpeedEvil: I would be interested in a WiFi Mod for the gta01, if this ever happens let me know |
| 15:05.33 | Sargun_screen | I don't know why the OLPC project didn't use atheros |
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| 15:06.08 | KrisAbsinthe | I just had the pleasure of using OLPCs at HOPE, they are neat |
| 15:06.45 | mjr | Sargun_screen, free driver, mesh networking in wifi chip firmware |
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| 15:06.55 | mjr | (even though said fw is non-free) |
| 15:07.37 | Fisher | hello |
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| 15:08.29 | Fisher | got a question...I received my freerunner last week but didn't get a chance to unbox it until this weekend. When I did and powered it on, the screen has a crack in it. What do I do? |
| 15:09.04 | cjb | Fisher: return it DOA |
| 15:09.06 | cjb | I guess |
| 15:09.09 | Fisher | how? |
| 15:09.22 | cjb | oh. I don't know, you'll have to e-mail them. |
| 15:09.23 | Fisher | who do I contact to get an RMA? |
| 15:09.43 | Fisher | I sent an email on Saturday to the shop@ email address, but have received no reply |
| 15:10.41 | cjb | dunno |
| 15:10.51 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r1e3b6dec262f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (6 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: [SIERRA] add support for the Sierra Wireless UMTS modem |
| 15:10.51 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r855aa8afc623 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: ogsmd: add some message book examples from the sierra wireless modem and allow number type 208 |
| 15:11.23 | Fisher | I'm assuming the 14 day DOA starts on the day it arrives at my house? If so, then 7 days are already up and I need to get this resolved. Does ANYONE have any suggestions? |
| 15:12.00 | Fisher | how hard is it to replace the LCD? Is it just a few screws and a connector plug? If so, then I wouldn't mind fixing it myself |
| 15:12.14 | Fisher | just need to know what to do |
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| 15:12.48 | Chocky | yes. |
| 15:13.05 | Dave | CHOCKY |
| 15:13.16 | Chocky | DAVE! |
| 15:13.34 | Dave | heh, back in a bit :p |
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| 15:13.47 | Fisher | Chocky, yes it's that easy to replace? I've replaced notebook lcd panels and if it's not any harder, I'd be glad to do that... |
| 15:13.49 | Chocky | need my OpenMocha |
| 15:13.58 | Fisher | or I can send it back if I can figure out how |
| 15:13.59 | Chocky | er, wut? |
| 15:14.12 | Chocky | spots bad nick completion |
| 15:14.22 | Fisher | Chocky...ahh...you just joined...nevermind |
| 15:14.38 | Chocky | suspects the answer is yes, in any case :o |
| 15:14.49 | Fisher | my freerunner arrived with a cracked lcd...trying to find out how to either return it DOA or get a replacement lcd |
| 15:15.00 | Chocky | sucks, |
| 15:15.19 | Chocky | swap out is probably easier all around |
| 15:15.20 | Fisher | yeah...any ideas? I've sent an email to shop@ email addy, but no response yet |
| 15:15.24 | Chocky | aw |
| 15:15.28 | Chocky | email wossname |
| 15:15.33 | Fisher | wossname? |
| 15:15.40 | Chocky | er, the PR guy. |
| 15:15.43 | Fisher | @openmoko.com? |
| 15:16.08 | Chocky | MichaelShiloh |
| 15:16.25 | balrog-kun | Fisher: there's a connector and it's also glued to the pcb some way but i don't think that should be a problem |
| 15:17.09 | Fisher | so his email is FirstLast AT openmoko DOT com then? |
| 15:17.20 | Chocky | just guessing. |
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| 15:17.23 | balrog-kun | only First i think |
| 15:17.33 | Fisher | balrog...ahhh...the glue might be a problem...I guess swap would be good then |
| 15:17.37 | Sargun_screen | try all |
| 15:17.48 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * refb7e3f526dc 10/ (framework/subsystems/ogsmd/objects.py tools/cli-framework): |
| 15:17.48 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: finished O2/Genion (who else?) home zone support: |
| 15:17.48 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * [METHOD] org.freesmartphone.GSM.HZ.GetHomeZoneStatus() -> s:name |
| 15:17.48 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * [SIGNAL] org.freesmartphone.GSM.HZ.HomeZoneStatus( s:name ) |
| 15:18.52 | balrog-kun | Michael Shiloh <michael@openmoko.org> |
| 15:19.14 | Fisher | balrog...thanks a BUNCH! I'll try that. thanks everyone! |
| 15:19.48 | hari | hmm.. I left my Neo 1973 in my bag for some weeks.. now it's completely dead.. hooked it to the usb cable overnight.. nothing |
| 15:19.51 | hari | do i miss something? |
| 15:20.08 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 15:20.26 | hari | rtfm? |
| 15:20.33 | SpeedEvil | You have to first remove battery and USB for a half an hour or so. |
| 15:20.49 | SpeedEvil | Then replace battery, plug in USB. |
| 15:20.58 | SpeedEvil | Wait an hour or two. |
| 15:21.09 | hari | ok, battery first, then usb, then wait |
| 15:21.15 | SpeedEvil | and then it should turn on enough. |
| 15:21.19 | hari | SpeedEvil++ ty! |
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| 15:21.24 | mmontour | no, USB first then battery! |
| 15:21.26 | SpeedEvil | it won't be fully charged at that time. |
| 15:21.32 | balrog-kun | remove for that long? |
| 15:21.33 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: err - no |
| 15:21.38 | mmontour | GTA01 gets unhappy if it has USB power + no battery |
| 15:21.45 | Blalien | What's the command on ssh to test if your sim card is recognized? |
| 15:21.48 | SpeedEvil | Ah yes. |
| 15:21.54 | SpeedEvil | remove USB, then battery |
| 15:21.56 | Chocky | heh, "on ssh" |
| 15:22.07 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: 5 min may be enough |
| 15:22.16 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: som have reported 30 mins |
| 15:23.01 | sparrow | waves |
| 15:23.29 | SpeedEvil | particles. |
| 15:23.34 | Blalien | Chocky: On what way could I test my Sim? |
| 15:23.57 | balrog-kun | i always only remove it for 20 or 30 seconds when it doesn't seem to be charging... and then retry and... it still doesn't seem to be charging.. but in the end it revives :) |
| 15:24.34 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra85f60d70064 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (sierra/channel.py singleline/channel.py): ogsmd: [SIERRA] catch up with new style for init sequences |
| 15:24.35 | sparrow | I am not sure if anyone is interested, but there is an update for folks in Canada and getting SIM cards working. Basically the one known good SIM supplied to rogers, is what they call a 4000 series card. |
| 15:24.56 | SpeedEvil | Add that to the wiki then. |
| 15:25.11 | sparrow | I will be doing so this afternoon |
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| 15:25.52 | sparrow | don't have http access from where he is atm. |
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| 15:32.15 | Sargun | TTD |
| 15:34.39 | Gnutoo | hello, i've not understood well the new fix for GPS...(http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d04b142ffeaa15129f046751f1366b0f0614f47) is the strength equivalent to the Ampere? if so what's the drawback of having a strength of 0? |
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| 15:34.59 | DaveLab | How are you gentlemen |
| 15:35.12 | DaveLab | Oh, and kd8eight thanks for updating your shit :) |
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| 15:35.35 | jamewill | Gnutoo, none so long as no corruption with your SD card brand - works with SD cards tested so far.... |
| 15:36.02 | Lo-lan-do | DaveLab: It's you!!! |
| 15:36.12 | RXShorty | Doing fine... you DaveLab? |
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| 15:36.38 | Gnutoo | jamewill, wow...so it would work at full speed? |
| 15:36.53 | jamewill | Gnutoo, yes |
| 15:37.00 | Gnutoo | jamewill, wow thanks a lot |
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| 15:37.20 | jamewill | Gnutoo, don't thank me, thank andy |
| 15:37.30 | Gnutoo | jamewill, ok |
| 15:37.43 | Lo-lan-do | All hail andy! |
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| 15:38.02 | Gnutoo | andy is not on irc... |
| 15:38.04 | DaveLab | I am well :) |
| 15:38.10 | DaveLab | He's too good for us :) |
| 15:38.29 | Lo-lan-do | Now if he could fix the resuming of the sound... |
| 15:40.17 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r6065c1a70d30 10/src/zhone: use cairo to render the SV positions |
| 15:40.17 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r2008a309ffc3 10/src/zhone: work around broken 16-bit evas |
| 15:40.17 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r22bcaba0d3ab 10/ (data/themes/zhone.edc src/zhone): use only one swallow for the pages, this simplifies transitions |
| 15:40.18 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r271abca4c78a 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): add basic SMS list |
| 15:40.41 | SpeedEvil | The SD drive strength is set according to the datasheet of the glamo - there are various drive strengths. To oversimplify, the stronger the drive, the more interference. But the weaker the drive the more likelyhood of corruption. |
| 15:41.30 | SpeedEvil | It may be that it's possible to set it to the weakest drive strength, and this will make the GPS problems go away, and all SD cards will work, or it may be a per-SD card excersize to see how low you can go. |
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| 15:41.51 | ace-- | anyone know why the interface in the emulator looks nothing like the phone when i follow the instructions on the wiki ? |
| 15:43.46 | SpeedEvil | Because there are three seperate main branches off the code tree. |
| 15:44.11 | SpeedEvil | Deciduous, evergreen, and this would work much better if I could remember another sort of tree. |
| 15:44.19 | SpeedEvil | ASU, FSO, and 2007.2 |
| 15:44.34 | SpeedEvil | The freerunner ships with the 2007.2 branch. |
| 15:44.46 | ace-- | ah cool, thx :) |
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| 15:45.26 | ace-- | I installed http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080721-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 15:45.35 | ace-- | that looks like the 2007.2 you're talking about no ? |
| 15:46.09 | SpeedEvil | I think the key bit is qtopia - which refers to the qtopia element of ASU |
| 15:46.12 | SpeedEvil | ~asu |
| 15:46.13 | apt | hmm... asu is the April Software Update, an release name for a OpenMoko distribution. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan. |
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| 15:46.44 | Chocky | fossilized |
| 15:47.12 | Chocky | ~Chocky |
| 15:47.17 | DaveLab | :o |
| 15:47.21 | Chocky | ~Dave |
| 15:47.22 | apt | somebody said dave was mtnman |
| 15:47.28 | DaveLab | hah! |
| 15:47.29 | Chocky | ~mtnman |
| 15:47.29 | apt | mtnman lives at 9600 feet above sea-level. |
| 15:47.31 | DaveLab | Unlikely! |
| 15:47.37 | DaveLab | mtnnman |
| 15:47.40 | cjb | anyone know how kernel upgrading with opkg works? |
| 15:47.47 | cjb | how does it get into the kernel partition? |
| 15:47.48 | Chocky | cjb: just fine, thanks ;o |
| 15:47.49 | DaveLab | it writes to NAND |
| 15:47.56 | DaveLab | IT KNOWS WHERE YOU LIVE! |
| 15:47.59 | DaveLab | :) |
| 15:48.06 | DaveLab | Well, where everything does, essentially ;) |
| 15:48.07 | Chocky | it should, it has GPS access |
| 15:48.16 | DaveLab | hahaha |
| 15:48.17 | DaveLab | good point ;p |
| 15:48.18 | cjb | well ok. |
| 15:48.31 | DaveLab | tail /dev/bigbrother |
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| 15:49.01 | DaveLab | cjb, it knows the hardware boundaries for the memory, and therefore can perform in-place edits |
| 15:49.04 | DaveLab | it's well defined |
| 15:49.08 | cjb | righto. |
| 15:49.27 | DaveLab | if you're looking for further technical information check their website or page or subscribe to their newsletter or something? :) |
| 15:49.52 | cjb | no, that sounds fine. didn't know if that part of the NAND was modifiable by userland. |
| 15:50.04 | cjb | since my experience with it is always "nand erase kernel .." |
| 15:50.45 | DaveLab | oh |
| 15:51.17 | Chocky | pee |
| 15:51.19 | Chocky | que |
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| 15:52.30 | Sargun | I got a debug board as I'm very good at bricking things. |
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| 15:52.43 | Sargun | TimRiker, heya |
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| 15:53.05 | Sargun | Too bad the OpenMoko doesn't have buttons... |
| 15:53.06 | TimRiker | heya. on my way to OLS. :) |
| 15:53.21 | stephelton-lappy | as i understand it the freerunner doesn't support 3g? |
| 15:53.32 | Sargun | stephelton, only GPRS. |
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| 15:54.03 | stephelton-lappy | is there planned support? |
| 15:54.31 | Sargun | SpeedEvil? |
| 15:54.33 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r395d0a2e48ff 10/otapi/Makefile: otapi: add org.freesmartphone.GSM.HZ (homezone API) |
| 15:54.46 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: > |
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| 15:55.32 | mickeyl | plans yes, but i wouldn't expect something umts earlier than in 12 months |
| 15:55.46 | Sargun | mickeyl, UMTs? I wouldn't expect EDGE. |
| 15:55.49 | Sargun | er |
| 15:55.54 | Sargun | I would expect EDGE |
| 15:56.12 | DaveLab | hrm |
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| 15:56.17 | DaveLab | Hello Speedevil :) |
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| 15:56.53 | stephelton-lappy | mickeyl: thanks. |
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| 15:57.15 | DaveLab | yeah mickeyl, thanks for the development spam :P |
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| 15:58.23 | Chocky | yes, development is banned. |
| 15:58.35 | DaveLab | aroo |
| 15:58.37 | mickeyl | Sargun: an EDGE model will appear within the next 12 months |
| 15:58.51 | mickeyl | an UMTS model will not appear within the next 12 months |
| 15:58.55 | mickeyl | that's what i wanted to state |
| 15:58.59 | Sargun | Oh, yeah |
| 15:59.02 | Sargun | I misunderstood |
| 15:59.08 | mickeyl | [at least, that's my expectation] |
| 15:59.10 | Lo-lan-do | Yay for EDGE :-) |
| 15:59.12 | mickeyl | plans can change *shrug* |
| 15:59.16 | DaveLab | who needs edge? |
| 15:59.21 | DaveLab | it's proprietary and slow |
| 15:59.26 | Chocky | AppleFayBois |
| 15:59.31 | Chocky | er, Fan |
| 15:59.40 | DaveLab | iShemales? |
| 15:59.44 | Chocky | iPhan |
| 15:59.49 | DaveLab | iSuck |
| 15:59.55 | DaveLab | iBlow |
| 16:00.07 | isprins | iCum |
| 16:00.23 | fuzzyt | iOutahere |
| 16:00.32 | Sargun | I want an ethernet port. |
| 16:00.33 | Sargun | ;-P |
| 16:00.38 | DaveLab | hah |
| 16:00.41 | DaveLab | usb is okay |
| 16:00.42 | Sargun | Gigabit ethernet |
| 16:00.45 | Sargun | Yeah, yeah! |
| 16:00.48 | DaveLab | even though it's crapy |
| 16:00.50 | DaveLab | crappy |
| 16:00.56 | Chocky | and even though you have wireless |
| 16:00.56 | Sargun | DaveLab, USB maxes out pretty quickly |
| 16:01.54 | DaveLab | no kidding :P |
| 16:01.59 | DaveLab | speaking of which... |
| 16:02.36 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r86ac6a7a05aa 10/ (framework/subsystems/ogsmd/objects.py tools/cli-framework): ogsmd: more tweaks to home zone support |
| 16:03.16 | Openfree | is openmoko support display different language(Asia),so how should i set my locale? |
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| 16:03.58 | Lo-lan-do | Openfree: As far as I can tell, there's no CJK font in the opkg feeds, but I see no reason why it shouldn't work apart from that. |
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| 16:04.38 | DaveLab | joerg, you awake yet? :) |
| 16:05.05 | DaveLab | ze germans! |
| 16:05.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8ab6e09daf50 10/packages/packagekit/files/force_depends.patch: [packagekit] Add patch force_depends.patch |
| 16:06.12 | DaveLab | So I hear, contrary to popular misconception, ASU is *still* a total piece of crap :) |
| 16:06.20 | Chocky | laffs |
| 16:06.35 | DaveLab | I'm glad I have no been disuaded. |
| 16:06.41 | Chocky | Dave says that as if the snapshot will improve |
| 16:06.42 | DaveLab | not, rather |
| 16:07.01 | DaveLab | People have been recently led to believe that, or so has been my observation. |
| 16:07.04 | Chocky | unless you are planning the "April" bit to become "August" |
| 16:07.09 | DaveLab | I don't even pity them one bit :D |
| 16:07.24 | DaveLab | No, it's supposed to be NEXT April :p |
| 16:07.30 | Chocky | lies. |
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| 16:07.41 | DaveLab | or a new month we created entirely for the purporses of software development :D |
| 16:07.42 | Chocky | there is somewhere on the wiki where it did in fact say August |
| 16:07.51 | DaveLab | Which is a more plausible story. |
| 16:07.53 | Chocky | Assvember |
| 16:08.18 | tonyg | so, sorry to ask again - I think it might have gotten lost in the CIA-flood: with fso, does it need to be booted from sd card? it doesn't work "out of the box" when flashed, for me. |
| 16:08.21 | DaveLab | Asspril == Asprin + April + Ass ? |
| 16:08.38 | tonyg | maybe I need a new uboot? (mine's a May 2007 uboot on a GTA01) |
| 16:08.43 | Chocky | probably |
| 16:08.48 | DaveLab | tonyg, it's entirely possible :) |
| 16:08.57 | tonyg | which one? :) |
| 16:09.00 | DaveLab | There have been many uBoot changes fixing numerous issues, of late. |
| 16:09.01 | Chocky | all of them! |
| 16:09.06 | DaveLab | Try the latest :) |
| 16:09.10 | tonyg | is anyone here running fso on gta01? |
| 16:09.22 | tonyg | .... not off sd. And having some luck getting it to go :) |
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| 16:09.35 | DaveLab | Chocky, hey, lay off my Pokémans! |
| 16:09.48 | Chocky | collect 'em all? |
| 16:09.53 | DaveLab | pretty much ;p |
| 16:10.02 | Chocky | you spent too much time in Japan |
| 16:10.04 | DaveLab | kind of like kernel images now, actually :\ |
| 16:10.13 | DaveLab | Chocky, Well, I did live there for many years :P |
| 16:10.17 | Chocky | knows. |
| 16:10.18 | DaveLab | Can you really blame me? |
| 16:10.21 | Chocky | remembers all. |
| 16:10.21 | DaveLab | ;) |
| 16:10.25 | DaveLab | :o |
| 16:10.34 | DaveLab | Like some sort of evil mutant elephant!? |
| 16:10.37 | DaveLab | ph33rs |
| 16:10.43 | Chocky | Dave live in Major Mojo Dojo? |
| 16:10.54 | DaveLab | hahaa |
| 16:10.56 | DaveLab | :) |
| 16:11.01 | DaveLab | hungers |
| 16:11.15 | DaveLab | Oh, and my pizza turned out superbly, last night :D |
| 16:11.23 | Chocky | pity me. I lived in the UK :o |
| 16:11.25 | DaveLab | I had finished cooking three by eleven or so |
| 16:11.27 | Chocky | fab. |
| 16:11.27 | tonyg | so, if I'm to update uboot - what's a known good uboot for a gta01? |
| 16:11.28 | DaveLab | Aw |
| 16:11.31 | DaveLab | I don't |
| 16:11.38 | DaveLab | I'll just bring my gun to your knife fight :) |
| 16:11.51 | Chocky | brings his biting sarcasm |
| 16:11.56 | DaveLab | hah! |
| 16:12.02 | Chocky | trumped! |
| 16:12.09 | DaveLab | brings Chocky some water, to moisen up his humor ;p |
| 16:12.13 | DaveLab | moisten |
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| 16:12.28 | Chocky | slips and breaks his Assvember |
| 16:12.34 | DaveLab | haha |
| 16:13.10 | DaveLab | Jöerg |
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| 16:13.49 | Chocky | You really are commited, if you're making the effort to type accented keys. |
| 16:13.58 | DaveLab | bobkare, jeg vet du er der! |
| 16:14.03 | DaveLab | Chocky, it's easy! |
| 16:14.16 | DaveLab | You just gotta believe! |
| 16:14.19 | Chocky | Well, I'm sure. Harder if you haven't memorised the key code :p |
| 16:14.30 | DaveLab | ;) |
| 16:14.45 | DaveLab | or have a super terrorist-like keymap :D |
| 16:15.15 | Chocky | Don't tell me it can do Kanji. |
| 16:15.16 | DaveLab | My freerunner needs more coulombs :[ |
| 16:15.24 | DaveLab | Chocky, sure :D |
| 16:15.36 | DaveLab | well, it's a different keymapping |
| 16:15.45 | DaveLab | I can switch between them easily |
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| 16:16.01 | Chocky | has US keyboards at work and UK ones at home. That's enough :o |
| 16:16.06 | DaveLab | Ah |
| 16:16.12 | DaveLab | What's the UK key layout like? |
| 16:16.26 | DaveLab | Blasphemous as the rest of the language, I presume. |
| 16:16.33 | Chocky | bigger enter key, swap @ and ", move | and one or two others. |
| 16:16.39 | Chocky | yessir. |
| 16:16.42 | DaveLab | ;P |
| 16:16.52 | DaveLab | misspellings and grammatical faux pas everywhere :) |
| 16:17.01 | Chocky | oh dear. |
| 16:17.06 | DaveLab | not to mention intolerable and incomprehensible slang |
| 16:17.08 | DaveLab | :] |
| 16:17.25 | Chocky | Yes, that's American English |
| 16:17.30 | DaveLab | HAHAHA |
| 16:17.32 | DaveLab | Hardly. |
| 16:17.59 | DaveLab | nigga, please :p |
| 16:18.29 | Chocky | burps in your general direction. |
| 16:18.56 | DaveLab | Chocky, did you ever use a dvorak keyboard? |
| 16:19.18 | Chocky | yes. But not in the way you think you mean. |
| 16:19.28 | DaveLab | o.O |
| 16:19.37 | DaveLab | tries not to think further about that |
| 16:19.39 | Chocky | Wife's Aunt's last name is Dvorak |
| 16:19.58 | DaveLab | ;o |
| 16:20.00 | DaveLab | uh oh |
| 16:20.12 | dlowe | posts to bash.org |
| 16:20.16 | Chocky | then I used a German's azerty keyboard, which had a UK mapping. |
| 16:20.26 | Chocky | dlowe: oh dear. it's been some time. |
| 16:20.28 | DaveLab | kinky |
| 16:20.36 | DaveLab | dlowe :D |
| 16:20.38 | DaveLab | high-fives |
| 16:21.09 | DaveLab | I'm sure my alternate ego is posted all over bash |
| 16:21.23 | DaveLab | good thing I'm all clandestine and shit :] |
| 16:21.27 | DaveLab | hides |
| 16:22.51 | Sargun | heh |
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| 16:24.00 | fspde | hody |
| 16:24.00 | Chocky | http://bash.org/?search=dvorak&sort=0&show=25 |
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| 16:25.13 | dlowe | http://bash.org/?873816 is pending moderation :p |
| 16:25.29 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rf262a0fe6f5e 10/otapi/xhtml/docbook-org.freesmartphone.GSM.HZ.xhtml: otapi: add org.freesmartphone.GSM.HZ documentation |
| 16:25.32 | Chocky | this demands retribution. |
| 16:25.43 | dlowe | I'll let you know when I say something funny. |
| 16:25.53 | Chocky | but I'll probably take it out on Dave instead, since he's a much easier target. |
| 16:26.49 | Sargun | mickeyl, you're commiting a lot. |
| 16:27.05 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 16:27.09 | mickeyl | must be me working ;) |
| 16:27.24 | Sargun | Do we get shipment notifications when our FRs ship? |
| 16:27.27 | Chocky | he's a catch for a woman - into commitment |
| 16:27.32 | Chocky | Sargun: maybe. |
| 16:27.33 | mickeyl | haha |
| 16:27.37 | Sargun | Chocky, "maybe" |
| 16:27.44 | dlowe | Sargun: I got one |
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| 16:28.04 | Chocky | got a phone call. |
| 16:28.30 | Chocky | This is my favourite: http://bash.org/?244321 |
| 16:28.58 | SpeedEvil | ****** |
| 16:29.06 | Chocky | ****! |
| 16:29.33 | Sargun | dlowe, when did you order yours |
| 16:29.43 | dlowe | Sargun: July 3rd |
| 16:30.03 | edistar|uk | Chocky: definitely ;) |
| 16:30.07 | Sargun | ok |
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| 16:34.14 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rbcc226efd587 10/ (data/themes/zhone_contacts.edc src/zhone): display the phone number in the contacts list |
| 16:36.08 | tonyg | before I smash uBoot, I'll try the 2007.11 kernel and image. |
| 16:36.16 | tonyg | if they work, chances are I don't need a new uBoot? |
| 16:36.38 | Chocky | you should get it anyway |
| 16:36.44 | mmontour | tonyg: wait for the "20080723" u-boot images to show up on buildhost. |
| 16:36.55 | tonyg | ah, ok - thanks mmontour |
| 16:37.02 | tonyg | on the wiki it says "WARNING: Do not flash U-Boot unless you are sure you need to" |
| 16:37.24 | tonyg | i don't have a debug board to unbreak it if i need to |
| 16:37.24 | Chocky | tsk. |
| 16:37.35 | mmontour | It's dangerous on GTA01. Freerunner has a backup copy of u-boot in NOR so it's much safer (just make sure that you can boot into your NOR copy) |
| 16:37.37 | Chocky | that's for NOR. you can blow away NAND |
| 16:37.40 | Chocky | ah. |
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| 16:37.53 | tonyg | yeah, I've a GTA01v4 |
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| 16:38.46 | mmontour | Then I'd wait for someone who has a debug board to try it first. If the image itself is known to be good, then the risk of flashing it is not too high. |
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| 16:40.15 | Chocky | laffs cf the bash.org password thing: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/29-Just-Say-It.aspx |
| 16:41.33 | tonyg | mmontour, thanks. |
| 16:42.05 | Sargun | Chocky, haha |
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| 16:44.49 | Gnutoo | hello, i don't understand...here's my oe build http://pastebin.com/m24d745a6 then i copied the images and runned the flash aplication and then qemu still shows me the old keyboard...why? |
| 16:47.52 | aggtrfrad | damn damn i cant wait for the next shipment |
| 16:48.03 | aggtrfrad | couldnt they procuce more? ... arghhhh |
| 16:48.08 | Chocky | they did :p |
| 16:48.13 | Chocky | just wait! |
| 16:48.34 | Chocky | should have ordered July 3 :p |
| 16:49.12 | mmontour | aggtrfrad: the more you produce in the first batch, the more you have to manually re-work if a hardware bug is found |
| 16:49.24 | Chocky | heh |
| 16:50.07 | mmontour | e.g. the GPS thing, although it's looking now like the software-only fixes may be good enough |
| 16:50.13 | aggtrfrad | thats true |
| 16:50.52 | Gnutoo | and the md5sums are ok(i copied the good images at the good emplacement...) |
| 16:51.18 | Gnutoo | what could be the cause? |
| 16:51.20 | tonyg | ok looks like the 2007.11 image and kernel boot fine. it must be the build of the fso-image from mokomakefile that's generated a busted image. either that or the new kernel is broken too. I'll try the new kernel, old image now |
| 16:53.33 | tonyg | new kernel hates the sd card. :-( |
| 16:53.37 | tonyg | but seems to boot the image ok |
| 16:53.54 | tonyg | i conclude that the kernel may or may not be completely ok, but that mokomakefile has built me a useless fso image. |
| 16:54.01 | Chocky | aw. |
| 16:54.20 | Chocky | well, you have a gta01, you must be persistent ;-) |
| 16:54.25 | tonyg | tell me about it. |
| 16:54.53 | Chocky | but not as dumb as these guys: http://nctimes.com/articles/2008/07/22/ap/strange/d922ndfg0.txt |
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| 16:56.32 | mmontour | tonyg: make sure that you're using the right repository (OM_GIT_BRANCH etc.) for fso-image. (I don't know which one is "right", as I haven't been following fso-image very closely) |
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| 16:57.20 | HauDyr | Chocky, Second degree burglary? then what is first degree? |
| 16:57.28 | tonyg | mmontour, that could be it. I have OM_GIT_SITE := git.openmoko.org, OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.dev |
| 16:57.30 | Chocky | dunno. |
| 16:57.54 | Blalien | I'm trying to execute this command but I have a Freerunner: root@fic-gta01:~$ echo "1" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on |
| 16:57.57 | tonyg | ah, OM_GIT_BRANCH got stomped when I ran update-makefile |
| 16:58.29 | Blalien | In what do I have to change neo1973 ? |
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| 17:01.35 | andreas | Hi! |
| 17:01.44 | andreas | Bug 666 hit me. :( |
| 17:02.40 | *** part/#openmoko UdontKnow (i=evaldo@freenode/staff/udontknow) |
| 17:03.15 | Chocky | sounds like the San Andreas fault. |
| 17:03.44 | Chocky | dammit Dave, laugh. |
| 17:04.35 | fspde | me too andreas :( |
| 17:05.26 | andreas | fspde: It's really annoying. Is your SIM card a Gemplus one too? |
| 17:05.49 | jakobsg | I want to try out qtopia - is there a procedure if something goes terrorbly wrong? |
| 17:05.57 | fspde | i think so, at least there is a "G" somewhere between the numbers |
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| 17:07.01 | Blalien | how do I install socat? |
| 17:07.48 | andreas | fspde: Does it have the distinctive round shape, as in https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/666/O2SIM-nonworking.png ? |
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| 17:12.48 | fspde | andreas, that's correct |
| 17:13.03 | andreas | 3G, I assume? |
| 17:13.19 | fspde | i don't know, maybe, it's pretty fresh |
| 17:13.34 | andreas | Well, did you ever use it for UMTS? |
| 17:13.49 | fspde | nope, and i'll surely never will :) |
| 17:13.58 | Gnutoo | anyone? |
| 17:15.17 | fspde | andreas, what is your provider by the way? |
| 17:15.37 | andreas | fspde: E-Plus, but that doesn't seem to make any difference. |
| 17:15.46 | fspde | german one? |
| 17:15.51 | andreas | Yep. |
| 17:17.03 | fspde | we should make up a sub-page in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers then for our carriers and SIM cards, don't you think? |
| 17:17.25 | fspde | mine is vodafone (german too) |
| 17:19.03 | fspde | but i'm not shure how to categorize... |
| 17:19.29 | andreas | Well, I think the relevant information is already there: "Older 3G cards don't work". |
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| 17:19.37 | andreas | For E-Plus. |
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| 17:20.12 | KSoze | how software compatible is the old neo 1973 with the new freerunner? |
| 17:20.12 | fspde | hm, you got a point :) |
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| 17:22.06 | Yasumoto | I have a terrible feeling that I'll leave the crazy stuff to everyone else, and stick with python development for the phone |
| 17:22.15 | Yasumoto | (yay python sockets + freenode) |
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| 17:26.32 | Kensan | mjr: Thanks for writing to cryptophone. Should be interesting so see their reply. |
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| 17:27.23 | andreas | Kensan: As in "the manufacturer of encrypted cell phones"? |
| 17:28.27 | Kensan | andreas: yes, indeed. |
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| 17:28.43 | andreas | Kensan: I used to work for them, what was it about? |
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| 17:30.00 | mjr | about the allowable protocol specs to base an interoperable implementation on |
| 17:30.02 | Kensan | andreas: may I point you directly to the email: http://networld.to/pipermail/moksec-public/2008-July/000009.html |
| 17:30.42 | Kensan | andreas: may I ask in what capacity you were working for them? |
| 17:31.06 | andreas | Cryptanalysis and reverse engineering. |
| 17:31.21 | Kensan | andreas: cool, sounds interesting :) |
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| 17:31.29 | andreas | There's the source code available, don't expect any more information than that. :) |
| 17:32.02 | Kensan | andreas: well it is stated that one is not to use the source so there's not much left to go on... |
| 17:32.51 | mjr | indeed, and they at least allude to some public spec being available |
| 17:33.31 | andreas | Well, the usual approach is have person A read the source and write a spec, and person B read the spec and write the re-implementation. |
| 17:33.59 | Kensan | andreas: ok, so there's no other docs *heh*. |
| 17:34.06 | lpotter | skyler01 |
| 17:34.06 | mjr | yeah I suppose one could do the usual clean-room thing |
| 17:34.34 | mjr | Just this alludes to there being a published spec: "You are perfectly free to develop a compatible product on the base of the published CryptoPhone protocol, but not using our source." |
| 17:34.48 | andreas | I can neither confirm nor deny the existence or non-existence of the information requested. *cough* :) |
| 17:34.48 | mjr | (from their Q&A) |
| 17:35.06 | Kensan | andreas: if you are interested maybe you want to join the mokosec mailinglist: http://networld.to/mailman/listinfo/moksec-public |
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| 17:35.44 | Kensan | andreas: well said ;) |
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| 17:37.07 | andreas | Subscribed to the list. Now, dinner, bbl. |
| 17:37.27 | Kensan | andreas: cool, mahlzeit. |
| 17:38.07 | Kensan | mjr: there's an opportunity to use your social engineering skills ;) |
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| 17:41.37 | Elleo | should calls, messaging, etc. be working on the ASU image? |
| 17:42.48 | Chocky | hah |
| 17:43.07 | Chocky | it's about time we recommended against ASU |
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| 17:43.55 | Elleo | ah, I guess I'll just go back to the old stuff then |
| 17:44.05 | Elleo | pity, because I much prefer the keyboard in ASU |
| 17:44.07 | Chocky | try the nightlies. much better. |
| 17:44.13 | Chocky | er, dailies. |
| 17:44.16 | Elleo | I am |
| 17:44.25 | Elleo | I'm using the qtopia-x11 image from yesterday |
| 17:44.30 | Chocky | the point is that April != July :o |
| 17:44.34 | Elleo | but I can't dial, receive or send messages |
| 17:44.42 | Chocky | not so hot |
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| 17:45.10 | Elleo | and since everything seems to be hidden away in the qpe process I have no idea what's wrong |
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| 17:46.19 | Gnutoo | anyone? |
| 17:46.51 | Chocky | wut? |
| 17:47.21 | carrar | bueller |
| 17:47.33 | Chocky | cliche. |
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| 17:49.30 | Chocky | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2387774836.html |
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| 17:50.00 | Zandini | Hello. Is the ASU packga different from qtopia.net package? |
| 17:50.17 | Chocky | someone make a FAQ already |
| 17:50.18 | lpotter | yes |
| 17:50.27 | lpotter | ASU is not qtopia |
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| 17:52.18 | Zandini | I see.. I think I flashed the qtopia.net version then, instead of ASU. |
| 17:54.12 | lpotter | nad? what'd you think of it? |
| 17:54.17 | lpotter | err, and |
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| 17:57.40 | Zandini | Well, compared to OM2007.2, it worked much better. |
| 17:57.48 | Zandini | It actually made calls and stuff. |
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| 17:59.43 | Zandini | It is pretty responsive too. I haven't tried ASU yet. |
| 18:00.20 | lpotter | do you think it is missing anything? |
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| 18:03.33 | Zandini | The qtopia package? Browser... |
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| 18:04.21 | Zandini | Actually, none of the packages have browser. |
| 18:04.32 | Yashy | looking for assistance, can't get USB networking -- working yet :/ http://www.pastebin.ca/1079702 |
| 18:05.13 | Yashy | ./proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward with 1 in it doesn't seem to be working/acting as a gateway? |
| 18:05.13 | Zandini | I thought that QT had a webkit browser integrated? |
| 18:05.28 | dlowe | Yashy: the FR's ip address is 192.168.0.202, so your usb0 address must reflect that |
| 18:05.36 | Zorkman | on the 2007.2 image, is there a way to close apps, other then hitting the power button? this is very annoying? |
| 18:05.42 | dlowe | Yashy: don't try to put it on your 192.168.1 network |
| 18:05.46 | Chocky | s/then/than/ |
| 18:06.10 | dlowe | Yashy: in fact, you won't go wrong if you just follow the instructions in USB_Networking to the letter |
| 18:06.21 | Yashy | dlowe: oops, I changed to be on the desktop network, I'll switch it back and try. Thanks! |
| 18:06.24 | mjr | Zorkman, I think the power button is a rather straightforward way, but there is the task manager where you can stop them... |
| 18:06.43 | Yashy | I tried the USB_Networking to the letter and it didn't work, hence my attempt to move it onto my subnet |
| 18:06.47 | Yashy | I'll try again |
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| 18:07.02 | lpotter | Zandini: web browser is coming in qtopia 4.4 |
| 18:07.04 | Zorkman | mjr: true, it is very straightforward, but I find it not very handy/userfriendly, I have to re-grip my device everytime |
| 18:07.11 | Blalien | wget: bad address this means that there is no internet? |
| 18:07.12 | dlowe | Yashy: I find that I have to run /etc/init.d/networking restart if I plug in the FR after booting |
| 18:07.27 | Zandini | Oh I see. Is qtopia.net package better than ASU? |
| 18:07.52 | Zorkman | Zandini: it is faster and more reliable imho, but lacks gps and internet as far as i know |
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| 18:09.22 | lpotter | i think its better. and I am not biased :) |
| 18:09.35 | AntonTakk | anyone know if there is any info on packages needed for gtk apps to look right on ASU? |
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| 18:11.33 | Zandini | :-) |
| 18:12.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r801720284736 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Sort the entries with FILENAME by alphabet ordering. |
| 18:12.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5b44fd753c5f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: [srcdate] Bump the EFL version. |
| 18:12.26 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4134d6f86a83 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Bump the illume rev to get a version that will use the Qtopia keyboard |
| 18:12.27 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd34e703d2b64 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion of opkg to 4545 |
| 18:12.29 | Yashy | OK I'm using 192.168.0.200 and 0.202 as teh default, and I still can't resolve DNS through my desktop |
| 18:12.30 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc2fe1f1fb06f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 202 |
| 18:12.33 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb753e21e8b01 10/packages/packagekit/packagekit_git.bb: [packagekit] Add a patch to packagekit |
| 18:12.36 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5d5f34ae2375 10/packages/packagekit/files/force_depends.patch: [packagekit] Add patch force_depends.patch |
| 18:12.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5ff27065b33e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get a better ringtone, ringtone delay, callscreen fixes... |
| 18:12.42 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd8a607ce933b 10/packages/packagekit/packagekit_git.bb: [packagekit] Disable generation of the docbook |
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| 18:13.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re66ebb74cba2 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get a better ringtone, ringtone delay, callscreen fixes... |
| 18:13.21 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4fde675e3458 10/packages/packagekit/packagekit_git.bb: [packagekit] Disable generation of the docbook |
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| 18:13.39 | AntonTakk | got tangogps and openmoko-agpsui installed and on the main app launcher screen, but the fonts are guhe and the uis are not all the useable for not fitting on the screen |
| 18:13.49 | AntonTakk | huge* |
| 18:13.54 | Chocky | has seen that. |
| 18:13.56 | Chocky | bigmess. |
| 18:14.15 | AntonTakk | know how to fix it? |
| 18:14.30 | Chocky | report a bug :o |
| 18:14.42 | Chocky | but try latest version first |
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| 18:14.52 | Gnutoo | anyone? |
| 18:15.02 | Chocky | gnu{-: script? |
| 18:15.03 | AntonTakk | but the app works fine - i just need the gtk themes/etc installed |
| 18:15.09 | Gnutoo | Chocky, script? |
| 18:15.16 | Chocky | you keep saying "anyone?" |
| 18:15.24 | carrar | anyone? |
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| 18:15.41 | carrar | anywhere? |
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| 18:15.48 | Chocky | tiddlypeeps |
| 18:15.51 | Gnutoo | Chocky, it's because i have an issue and nobody answered...i'll re-explain the issue |
| 18:15.59 | Chocky | it has looooooong since scrolled. |
| 18:16.39 | Gnutoo | ChanServ, here's my oe build http://pastebin.com/m24d745a6 then i copied the images and ran the flash aplication and then qemu still shown me the old keyboard...why? |
| 18:16.40 | peeps[work] | what is url for the openmoko bug tracker? I was on it just the other day, but can't find a link now. seems like something that would do well to have on the wiki home page |
| 18:17.57 | Gnutoo | s/ChanServ,/ Chocky |
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| 18:19.06 | Yashy | ping works from .0.200 to 0.202 and vice versa only if I do -I usb0 |
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| 18:19.43 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r103da729549b 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for settingsgui-0.8 |
| 18:19.44 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r34c718be9c3d 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Remove the duplicate entry |
| 18:19.45 | Chocky | you routing is moosed |
| 18:19.45 | dlowe | Yashy: your routing table isn't set up correctly, then |
| 18:19.48 | Chocky | snap! |
| 18:19.57 | Chocky | <- builds routers. |
| 18:19.58 | Gnutoo | Yashy, mabe it's your routes... |
| 18:20.00 | AntonTakk | Yashy: check the getting started page, it gives good detail on settong up the network link |
| 18:20.15 | Chocky | your other interface is in the same subnet |
| 18:20.21 | Chocky | or worse, has the same IP |
| 18:20.43 | Yashy | my LAN is 192.168.1.* the usb0's are 192.168.0.* |
| 18:20.57 | Chocky | and the netmasks? |
| 18:20.57 | Blalien | How can I install socat on my Neo? |
| 18:21.17 | Yashy | Do I manually have to build routes from the phone to my desktop and to the name server? |
| 18:21.28 | Yashy | I'm following USB_Networking |
| 18:21.31 | Chocky | not uusally |
| 18:21.40 | Chocky | unless you have a really odd setup |
| 18:22.03 | Yashy | Once I get it working I'll add what worked for me to the wiki |
| 18:22.11 | Yashy | Not sure what to do next |
| 18:22.14 | Chocky | configuring the interface is sufficient to add a suitable subnet route. y |
| 18:23.43 | Chocky | actually, that's not strictly correct, but anyhoo. |
| 18:24.36 | sevenhundred | hey, I was just reading a page on good ol' crazy greenpeace about how the iPhone is treated with all these toxic chemicals compared to other phones, and I was wondering if anyone knows anything about the Fr's environmental impact? |
| 18:24.44 | Chocky | one of the problems with the wiki instructions is that they assume a DNS server on your routing machine, which often isn't the case |
| 18:25.00 | Chocky | sevenhundred: yes, there's only 1/10000th the number. |
| 18:25.01 | *** part/#openmoko pazante (n=patrik@user113.77-105-224.netatonce.net) |
| 18:25.38 | Zorkman | lol :) |
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| 18:25.51 | sevenhundred | Chocky: lol yeah, but per phone :P |
| 18:26.09 | sevenhundred | here's the link: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/how-green-is-that-iphone140607 |
| 18:26.18 | Chocky | doesn't matter if FR is twice as bad (although I hope not), but other phones are made by the millions, so the comparison is moot. |
| 18:26.41 | jtickle | sevenhundred, I don't think there's a "green" way to manufacture silicon chips at all, and plastic is just plain ol' bad, so I can't imagine it's a particularly greener process than anything else |
| 18:26.50 | jtickle | but Chocky makes a good point... there just aren't as many FRs |
| 18:27.43 | Chocky | think of FR as Nuclear and iPhone as coal :o |
| 18:27.51 | jtickle | ooh I like that :-) |
| 18:29.08 | Chocky | coal kills tens of thousands of people per year, and causes global warning. Last nuclear deaths were the aftermath of chernobyl, and that was due to cost cutting measures. And any way, that's been a boon for wildlife. |
| 18:29.21 | sevenhundred | you can't really say the FR is better for the environment because there's fewer of them; it's like saying cars with no seatbelts are safer than cars with, because nobody drives in a car without seatbelts |
| 18:29.41 | Chocky | sevenhundred: please, no car analogies, and no, it's nothing like that at all. |
| 18:29.51 | lpotter | i would tend to say chernobyl is still killing |
| 18:29.57 | Blalien | I tried to test my SIM card manually. But it hangs on Connected. Does this mean that my Sim isn'nt supported? |
| 18:30.08 | Chocky | lpotter: the animals aren't ;-) |
| 18:30.57 | Gnutoo | Chocky, have you any idea of the solution for my issue? |
| 18:31.00 | Chocky | and that's called begging the question, FWIW |
| 18:31.08 | Chocky | gnu{-: no, but asking it again is a good start ;-) |
| 18:31.10 | Chocky | fnar. |
| 18:31.25 | Gnutoo | Chocky, ok thanks |
| 18:32.06 | Gnutoo | here's my oe build http://pastebin.com/m24d745a6 then i copied the images and ran the flash aplication and then qemu still shown me the old keyboard...does someone knows why? or should I ask in the open embedded channel? |
| 18:32.20 | Chocky | maybe you need a Dave. or that. |
| 18:33.36 | sevenhundred | alright, I was just curious about which of the phones (per phone) was the greenest |
| 18:34.05 | Chocky | IMO, you should be worried about the car you're driving (and not do it) rather than your phone. |
| 18:34.06 | Gnutoo | ok |
| 18:34.27 | jtickle | sevenhundred, I WOULD say that the OM is probably built with more conventional components, so it is possible the process has had more refinement over time... as I understand it, the iPhone uses a lot of brand new technology |
| 18:34.41 | SpeedEvil | jtickle: not really |
| 18:34.49 | SpeedEvil | jtickle: they are pretty much similar |
| 18:34.50 | Chocky | could go either way. |
| 18:34.53 | jtickle | of course I could be wrong :-P |
| 18:34.54 | Chocky | but Apple |
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| 18:35.00 | Chocky | blah. |
| 18:35.37 | SpeedEvil | jtickle: the iphone and the freerunner PCBs are really quite similar in design. |
| 18:35.47 | Chocky | and you are recylcling everything at home, right? That will have much more of a positive impact than a small scale run of an electronics device. |
| 18:35.48 | SpeedEvil | There is nothing especially magic about either. |
| 18:35.51 | jtickle | but yes, driving a car does much more damage to the environment than making an iPhone AND an OM could ever compare to |
| 18:36.06 | sevenhundred | Chocky, I don't have a car. Not because I'm an environmentalist but because I'm poor |
| 18:36.15 | Chocky | sevenhundred: touche. |
| 18:36.40 | igor321 | hai |
| 18:36.44 | igor321 | can i has openmoko? |
| 18:36.45 | Chocky | bai |
| 18:36.45 | jtickle | SpeedEvil, interesting, I guess I need to check my sources before making assumptions |
| 18:37.00 | Chocky | igor321: no. |
| 18:37.11 | Chocky | jtickle: dammit, this is IRC! |
| 18:37.12 | igor321 | Chocky: but i wants |
| 18:37.32 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: I guess one of the devices has a fantastic effect on the reality distortion field of the owner ;) |
| 18:37.35 | dlowe | igor321: not urs. go awei |
| 18:37.50 | Chocky | car or iPhone? |
| 18:38.03 | jtickle | both? |
| 18:38.08 | igor321 | dlowe: i'm in ur openmoko breakin ur suspens |
| 18:38.17 | igor321 | suspend |
| 18:38.33 | Zorkman | daln, you're in mine too |
| 18:38.36 | Chocky | your trolling doesn't look so clever when you make a sad mistake. |
| 18:38.57 | dlowe | igor321: u looz at speling. kthx bai |
| 18:39.11 | igor321 | noooo i wuz not trolling |
| 18:39.18 | Chocky | uh huh. |
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| 18:39.58 | igor321 | i'm just a future dev, i thought openmoko guys would be LOLCAT friendly |
| 18:40.18 | Chocky | rotflcopter. |
| 18:40.23 | dlowe | igor321: it's funny in small doses, I think |
| 18:40.32 | bernt | Blalien: you could try the commands from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM |
| 18:40.36 | SpeedEvil | http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=1SWOASRBCDLKMQSNDLPSKH0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=209000014 - iphone teardown |
| 18:40.37 | jtickle | I like to keep my lolspeak in the captions |
| 18:40.47 | jtickle | however, if you want to run LOLCODE on the Moko, feel free ;-) |
| 18:40.56 | Chocky | After 14 years, trust me, I'm real tired of lolspeak. |
| 18:41.05 | SpeedEvil | http://i.cmpnet.com/techonline/uth/pmiPhone_boardtopBIG.jpg |
| 18:41.14 | igor321 | i dunno, i find it funny, looking forwart to translatinog ASU to lolspeak |
| 18:41.55 | Zorkman | is it normal that in the 2007.2 image there is no time indication when you look at your recieved messages? |
| 18:41.57 | jtickle | wow SpeedEvil, thanks |
| 18:42.16 | jtickle | ok so I have a question about the images |
| 18:42.35 | jtickle | what do I get out of the Daily Builds that I wouldn't get if I did "opkg update; opkg upgrade"? |
| 18:42.37 | *** join/#openmoko andlo (n=andlo@x1-6-00-16-d3-2f-5f-f2.k954.webspeed.dk) |
| 18:42.47 | jtickle | what is the difference between that and what came stock on the phone? |
| 18:42.50 | Yashy | looking for help with USB_Networking http://www.pastebin.ca/1079741 I've pasted my routing tables on both sides |
| 18:42.56 | Chocky | jtickle: u-boot, but that's probably about it. |
| 18:43.00 | jtickle | and are the daily builds and "ASU" the same thing? |
| 18:43.01 | jtickle | ah |
| 18:43.16 | dlowe | Yashy: route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.0.200 dev usb0 |
| 18:43.16 | Chocky | stock = old |
| 18:43.22 | dlowe | Yashy: on the FR side |
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| 18:44.11 | dlowe | Yashy: paste the result of iptables -t nat -L and iptables -L |
| 18:44.57 | dlowe | er, on the host side |
| 18:45.25 | KrisAbsinthe | SpeedEvil: Any way to add the 5V to the USB of the GTA01, Any wikis? |
| 18:45.34 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: not simply |
| 18:46.06 | Yashy | dlowe: http://www.pastebin.ca/1079750 I only have MASQ on |
| 18:46.09 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: or rather - I don't have a magic solution that's easier than installing a 5V step-up unit. |
| 18:46.28 | KrisAbsinthe | SpeedEvil: Just got my first issue of Make Magazine, its pretty sweet |
| 18:47.02 | Yashy | dlowe: I added the route you specified, same results, can't resolve DNS. I'm trying 192.168.0.200 and 192.168.1.10 with nslookup as the nameserver |
| 18:47.55 | dlowe | Yashy: you'll want to edit /etc/resolv.conf on your FR |
| 18:48.09 | dlowe | Yashy: unless you've got a DNS server running on your host |
| 18:48.28 | dlowe | Yashy: what do you get from cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward? |
| 18:48.34 | dlowe | (on host) |
| 18:48.58 | Yashy | I'm trying it manually right now # nslookup openmoko.com 192.168.1.10 |
| 18:49.18 | dlowe | can you ping 192.168.1.10? |
| 18:49.21 | Yashy | $ cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 18:49.21 | Yashy | 1 |
| 18:49.42 | Yashy | It doesn't seem to be ip_forwarding though :( |
| 18:49.44 | Yashy | no |
| 18:50.03 | Yashy | I can ping 192.168.0.200 (desktop usb0) and 192.168.1.11 (desktop eth0) |
| 18:50.22 | Yashy | that seems to be it, can't ping other machines on the 192.168.1.* network |
| 18:51.29 | Yashy | do I need to add a route from my named/gateway back to it? like 192.168.0.0/24 gw 192.168.1.11 |
| 18:51.44 | dlowe | Yashy: no, the NAT on your host should take care of that |
| 18:51.54 | Yashy | not sure what else to try |
| 18:52.19 | dlowe | can you ping 192.168.1.10 from your host? |
| 18:54.11 | Chocky | heh, networking problems. |
| 18:54.23 | Chocky | there's always a comedy setup. |
| 18:54.37 | dlowe | Chocky: and a punchline (you hope) |
| 18:54.43 | Chocky | only sometimes. |
| 18:54.48 | dlowe | otherwise it starts becoming a tragedy |
| 18:54.58 | Chocky | blaming the ISP is a good act. |
| 18:55.09 | dlowe | I think I lost my audience |
| 18:55.15 | Chocky | wasn't in the script. |
| 18:55.47 | Chocky | yes, and right now the hallway outside my office is fully of wannabe actors - there's an acting school next door. "casting couch" comes to mind. |
| 18:56.14 | Chocky | San Diego for acting doesn't seem like an obvious first choice. Not in a 3rd rate building ;-) |
| 18:56.37 | Yashy | so I can't ping 192.168.1.10, but I am using it for named from the desktop |
| 18:56.48 | *** join/#openmoko Fossi (n=fossi@d192145.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 18:56.49 | AntonTakk | still no ideas on what needs to be installed on asu to make 2007.2 apps look like they are supposed to? |
| 18:56.56 | *** join/#openmoko Zilla (n=IceChat7@cc479555-b.hnglo1.ov.home.nl) |
| 18:57.02 | Yashy | You didn't lose me, you seem to be my only home :) |
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| 18:57.41 | dlowe | Yashy: you can't ping it from the host? |
| 18:57.43 | Yashy | from the desktop I can "telnet 192.168.1.10 53" |
| 18:57.59 | dlowe | has to go in a minute. |
| 18:58.00 | *** join/#openmoko nosyjoe (n=philipp@ppp-62-216-215-53.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 18:58.12 | Chocky | applauds |
| 18:58.34 | Yashy | but from the FR I can't "telnet 192.168.1.10 53", so it doesn't appear to be acting as a gateway? |
| 18:58.44 | Blalien | Is a connection with 10 satellites good enough? |
| 18:58.48 | Chocky | DNS is UDP, not TCP |
| 18:58.57 | dlowe | Yashy: perhaps your nameserver is set up to only service its local network |
| 18:59.06 | dlowe | Chocky: it can be TCP, it's just generally not. |
| 18:59.09 | Yashy | yeah, IIRC ICMP is blocked on the LAN |
| 18:59.11 | Chocky | yes, yes. pedantic. |
| 18:59.20 | dlowe | that's me :) |
| 18:59.22 | Chocky | _knew_ someone would pipe up :p |
| 18:59.33 | dlowe | is afk. |
| 18:59.42 | Chocky | and yes, if you have Vista, ICMP is off by default. |
| 18:59.47 | Chocky | that old cookie. |
| 18:59.52 | Yashy | dlowe: Well, I run the named. (bind9 on FreeBSD) |
| 19:00.03 | Yashy | OK, well thanks for your help debugging thus far, dlowe. |
| 19:00.05 | *** join/#openmoko nosyjoe (n=philipp@ppp-62-216-215-53.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 19:00.09 | Chocky | nothing stopping you pointing FR DNS at your upstream DNS |
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| 19:00.41 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r51fd5581f0cd 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): implement SMS display |
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| 19:01.24 | Yashy | Chocky: I can't seem to get passed my desktop, it doesn't seem to be acting as a gateway |
| 19:01.31 | Chocky | past |
| 19:01.49 | Yashy | no, past is history |
| 19:01.54 | Chocky | well, I dunno anything about NAT on BSD |
| 19:02.02 | Chocky | no, past has several meanings. |
| 19:02.07 | Chocky | My correction, is er, correct. |
| 19:02.12 | Yashy | You shouldn't need too, the desktop is ubuntu |
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| 19:02.27 | Chocky | oh, I read the FreeBSD bit. :o |
| 19:03.07 | Yashy | For the record, you are incorrect on your usage of past, and I was correct using "passed", but this is wasting both of our time. |
| 19:03.19 | Chocky | For the record, I"m not. |
| 19:03.41 | Chocky | And clarity is rarely a waste of time. |
| 19:03.49 | Yashy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.50 | Yashy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.50 | Yashy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.59 | Chocky | Yes, that is one meaning, as I said. |
| 19:04.06 | Yashy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.07 | Yashy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.07 | Yashy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.07 | Yashy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.07 | Yashy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.07 | Yashy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.22 | Chocky | yes, but not "passed" in your usage. It is an adjective. |
| 19:04.27 | Yashy | packets go passed, not past. |
| 19:04.33 | Chocky | no, they don't. |
| 19:04.37 | Yashy | boggles |
| 19:04.44 | LetoTo | is this #grammar-nazies? :P |
| 19:04.48 | Chocky | Welcome to English. Some words have many meanings. |
| 19:04.56 | Yashy | It's not even a debate, Letoto. |
| 19:04.58 | Chocky | packets _get_ passed, they _go_ past. |
| 19:05.36 | Chocky | Try looking up the 14 or so meanings of "set" :o |
| 19:05.52 | Yashy | That has no relevance to our discussion. |
| 19:06.07 | Yashy | neither does get or go |
| 19:06.08 | Chocky | Clarity is always relevant. |
| 19:06.17 | Chocky | Is that a way of backing down ;-) |
| 19:06.22 | Yashy | You corrected my passed with past, which is factually incorrect. End of story. |
| 19:06.26 | igor321 | can i has passt |
| 19:06.53 | Chocky | It's not end of story, if you can't rebuke my point. |
| 19:06.59 | Yashy | You have no relevant point. |
| 19:07.03 | Chocky | The mistake should be obvious to any native speaker. |
| 19:07.16 | Chocky | thinks Yashy is getting upset. |
| 19:07.56 | Yashy | You are arguing that packets are a former time or state as opposed to something that moves or travels. |
| 19:08.01 | Chocky | Nope. |
| 19:08.16 | Chocky | You are insisting that "past" only has one meaning, which is clearly not true. |
| 19:08.26 | Fossi | hey, you two are funny |
| 19:08.31 | Fossi | are you here often? |
| 19:08.31 | Chocky | Fossi: I try. |
| 19:08.35 | Yashy | I'm not insisting it has only one meaning, where did I say that? |
| 19:08.39 | igor321 | where iz mah pakkit?!?111! |
| 19:08.43 | Fossi | i might actually come back ;D |
| 19:08.50 | igor321 | it passt --- oh noes |
| 19:09.14 | Chocky | Yashy: you have insisted on that meaning several times. If you don't agree, then you accept that it has additional defintions, consistent with what I've said. |
| 19:09.23 | Yashy | I gave you dictionary definitions. If you don't believe those, there is nothing else I can do. |
| 19:09.38 | Chocky | Yashy: the flaws in your logic are obvious. |
| 19:09.55 | Yashy | OK let me as you then, give me a defintion of "past" in reference to a packet passing something. |
| 19:09.58 | Chocky | you gave me a defintion for "pass" which is in fact, not a word that you used. |
| 19:10.14 | Chocky | "first past the post" |
| 19:10.39 | Chocky | "first passed the post" happens to also be valid, but different meaning ;-) |
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| 19:10.45 | Yashy | that is based on time/state in your example |
| 19:11.13 | mike--2 | hello :) |
| 19:11.26 | sevenhundred | hello |
| 19:11.32 | retracile | hello |
| 19:11.36 | *** join/#openmoko key__ (n=key@nat/ibm/x-193bdea6635dfa34) |
| 19:11.41 | Zilla | hoi |
| 19:11.48 | retracile | (can we drown out the grammar debate with "hello"s?) |
| 19:11.48 | mike--2 | would anyone happen to know how to stop X from hiding the mouse cursor? |
| 19:12.01 | mike--2 | i'm using a freerunner w/ Today 2007.2 |
| 19:12.07 | Yashy | "I can't seem to get passed my desktop" I'm not discussing time/space, I'm talking about an action, obviously. |
| 19:12.48 | mike--2 | I removed the -hide-cursor line from /etc/X11/Xserver, but something is still hiding it when the boot process completes |
| 19:12.54 | retracile | mike--2: Look through "ps auxww" ... I think I saw a hide-cursor option in there somewhere.... |
| 19:12.57 | retracile | oh. |
| 19:13.11 | retracile | swings and misses |
| 19:13.35 | Yashy | was trolled good there |
| 19:13.43 | Chocky | and still wrong ;-) |
| 19:14.17 | Yashy | sets the ignorant on ignore |
| 19:14.20 | Chocky | "passed my desktop" means that someone handed it to you. |
| 19:14.27 | Chocky | did that, in fact, happen? |
| 19:14.35 | Chocky | of that you personally walked past it |
| 19:15.04 | retracile | mike--2: ps auxww | grep -i hide has two hits on my FR. |
| 19:15.08 | mike--2 | retracile: that was a good idea, it looks like matchbox has a "-use_cursor no" option as well |
| 19:15.09 | Chocky | passed is past tense. Since it hasn't happened yet, it is not correct. |
| 19:15.41 | sevenhundred | so anyway, my frerunner will arrive any day now |
| 19:15.57 | Chocky | has that day passed :p |
| 19:17.05 | retracile | mike--2: I'm curious: why do you want to? |
| 19:17.12 | sevenhundred | the day when it was sent from Germany has soon passed, and will then be in the past :P |
| 19:17.51 | Chocky | so passe! |
| 19:18.24 | retracile | The player can't get past the linebacker to get passed the ball! |
| 19:18.27 | retracile | ducks |
| 19:18.37 | Chocky | unfortunately, the two words _are_ very similar, but to many people the difference when it's wrong sticks out like a sore thumb. |
| 19:18.51 | Chocky | rotflcopter retractile |
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| 19:19.12 | mike--2 | retracile: i'm running synergy, and I can't see where the mouse is :) |
| 19:19.16 | Blalien | Where do I use the AT commands? |
| 19:19.20 | retracile | Chocky: Some one will loose the argument soon enough, and lose the hounds of war. ;P |
| 19:19.27 | Chocky | spanks. |
| 19:19.40 | sevenhundred | than its best too be careful with the spelling |
| 19:19.59 | Yashy | retracile: There was no argument. Someone was trolling that obviously doesn't specialize in English. |
| 19:20.40 | retracile | Yashy: Problem is, I think he's right... |
| 19:20.45 | Yashy | retracile: Normally I wouldn't care, but in this case the person tried to correct me, incorrectly, so I had to correct them :) |
| 19:21.05 | Yashy | oh :( |
| 19:21.10 | retracile | heh :) |
| 19:21.17 | Yashy | Even though I pasted the definitions of each? |
| 19:21.22 | Chocky | ah, he's all bent of shape. |
| 19:21.39 | Chocky | maybe he'll get past it. |
| 19:21.53 | Lo-lan-do | Okay, I read about this pactl program to work around the no-sound-on-resume bug... but it's not on my phone. What package is it in? |
| 19:22.08 | Chocky | "past" has at least a dozen meanings, so he clearly didn't past them all. |
| 19:22.19 | Chocky | er, paste! |
| 19:22.30 | jtickle | can't believe he's getting into this, but chocky is definitely right here |
| 19:22.32 | retracile | Yashy: http://www.answers.com/past&r=67 ... see the adv. section |
| 19:22.37 | jtickle | "past" is a preposition |
| 19:22.39 | Lo-lan-do | Ah, pulseaudio-misc. |
| 19:23.06 | retracile | can't believe he's been dragged into this.... and gets back to work |
| 19:23.17 | jtickle | 2b: "in a course or direction going close to and then beyond <drove PAST the house>" |
| 19:23.20 | jtickle | m-w.com |
| 19:23.40 | jtickle | but all of that has nothing to do with whether packets can get past OR passed a computer |
| 19:24.02 | jtickle | Yashy, i'm running Ubuntu and had NetworkManager do something weird the first time I tried it |
| 19:24.14 | jtickle | make sure to check it out and make sure it's not messing with your network configuration |
| 19:24.47 | Lo-lan-do | Yay, I get my sound back even after suspend/resume! |
| 19:25.10 | Yashy | jtickle: Do you remember what the weirdness was? :) I'm at the end of my rope |
| 19:25.31 | jtickle | unfortunately I don't think we're having the same problem, because it decided to use USB as my main Internet connection and I couldn't get out at all |
| 19:25.53 | jtickle | I had to unplug the USB and force it back to my wireless connection |
| 19:25.54 | Yashy | ahh nope. I'm using the desktop right now to IRC |
| 19:26.02 | jtickle | ok |
| 19:26.13 | Yashy | It's the usb -> eth routing that I don't think is working correctly |
| 19:26.13 | jtickle | now check ifconfig and make sure your USB connection is actually staying up |
| 19:26.19 | jtickle | ah :-/ |
| 19:26.32 | Chocky | jtickle: things like that will add a default route, which isn't really what you want of course :o |
| 19:26.35 | Yashy | I'm connected in another terminal to the NF |
| 19:26.40 | jtickle | indeed |
| 19:26.46 | Chocky | fears that that page is another I might have to rewrite |
| 19:26.57 | Chocky | deals with devices that have several default routes |
| 19:27.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc4bc1b55721c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade our kernel, some more charging patches done by andy |
| 19:27.42 | dino- | Lo-lan-do: Is this on a wiki somewhere? I have my FR ordered by no arrived yet. This is is good stuff I'm sure I'll need. |
| 19:27.44 | AntonTakk | anyone running 2007.2 - do you jave .gtkrc-2.0 in $HOME ? |
| 19:27.52 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8c2f4944b831 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade our kernel, some more charging patches done by andy |
| 19:27.58 | Chocky | in many ways, it's better than to use wifi. |
| 19:28.13 | Lo-lan-do | dino-: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1599 + install pulseaudio-misc |
| 19:28.14 | Chocky | that'll normally DHCP to a router that is in fact, a router. |
| 19:28.22 | AntonTakk | and if so - what are it's contents? |
| 19:28.34 | *** join/#openmoko hannes_s (n=Hannes_S@e177141190.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 19:28.46 | Lo-lan-do | dino-: I picked a few bits only, not sure I wanted to suspend the GSM. |
| 19:28.54 | jtickle | ChanServ, once I convinced NetworkManager that the USB connection was not the way to the Internet, I had no trouble following the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 19:28.56 | jtickle | er |
| 19:28.58 | jtickle | not chanserv |
| 19:29.00 | jtickle | chocky, ^^ |
| 19:29.12 | Lo-lan-do | Actually, it's worth trying. |
| 19:29.36 | dino- | Thanks. I'll have to learn how it works, the suspend. I tend to like my phone able to take calls 24/7 if possible. |
| 19:29.54 | jtickle | Yashy, what is your LAN's netmask? if it's 192.168.0.*, there may be a problem |
| 19:30.16 | Yashy | I following USB_Networking, but it didn't work. Once I get mine working I'll update the wiki page with whatever I needed to do. |
| 19:30.19 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r4549 10/developers/zecke/app_restarter/ (GNUmakefile app_restarter.c): |
| 19:30.19 | CIA-46 | openmoko: app_restarter: Use some e_alert.c code to provide a X11 interface to ask the user |
| 19:30.19 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Ask the user if an application should be restarted or not |
| 19:30.31 | LetoTo | can i boot from ext2 rootfs on the flash card if i have multiple partitions on it? |
| 19:31.06 | Yashy | http://pastebin.com/me674e6b is my routing tables |
| 19:31.51 | hannes_s | hello, I have a strange problem with opkg: http://pastebin.org/55776 the package shows up in opkg list, but opkg install doesn't know it. I ran opkg update, but it won't help. Any ideas? |
| 19:32.54 | Chocky | I just used "ifup usb0" personally. The only problem with that is if it's unplugged, it still thinks it's up, then you need to do ifdown, ifup |
| 19:33.10 | Chocky | and then I have different DNS depending upon work/home |
| 19:33.23 | Chocky | so 100% satisfactory |
| 19:33.25 | Chocky | er |
| 19:33.26 | Yashy | usb0 is up, I'm connected to it |
| 19:33.27 | Chocky | not 100% |
| 19:33.37 | Yashy | it = NF |
| 19:33.41 | Lo-lan-do | dino-: Apparently the scripts provided by mwebster don't prevent your phone from ringing when suspended. |
| 19:33.54 | Yashy | root@om-gta02:~# |
| 19:34.07 | *** join/#openmoko olejorgenb (n=olejorge@ip-246-2-149-91.dialup.ice.no) |
| 19:34.07 | Yashy | I just can't resolve DNS or get passed the desktop as a gateway |
| 19:34.18 | Chocky | past! |
| 19:34.31 | Lo-lan-do | Yashy: Did you do the iptables masquerade dance? |
| 19:35.17 | Lo-lan-do | Right. So now GPS works, sound works after a suspend/resume. Two down, one to go: I just need to code something that will keep the phone awake when I'm in a call. |
| 19:35.38 | Lo-lan-do | Code something, or find someone who did *hint* *hint*. |
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| 19:35.52 | Chocky | Lo-lan-do: use silver coins. |
| 19:35.55 | Yashy | http://pastebin.com/m20acbb4b I've added iptables output |
| 19:36.11 | GoldenHawk | My friend is saying he doesn't have the 'qwerty' button in the upper left on his ASU phone... is there some package you have to install to get that? |
| 19:36.18 | GoldenHawk | I thought it was in there from the beginning. |
| 19:36.58 | dino- | Lo-lan-do: cool, it's good to see the actvity here |
| 19:37.53 | dino- | Is everything moving/moved over to that Qt interface? |
| 19:38.08 | Chocky | ish |
| 19:38.09 | LetoTo | duh uboot doesnt support booting root= on ext2 on sdcard. just grabbing a uImage.bin from the sdcard fs :P |
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| 19:38.20 | Chocky | LetoTo: it does, but you need uboot |
| 19:38.21 | LetoTo | dino: I hope not. FSO us much better |
| 19:38.24 | AntonTakk | ah, got the theme working, just need the default font size now |
| 19:38.31 | Lo-lan-do | Yashy: I don't have your third route on my desktop. |
| 19:38.44 | LetoTo | chocky: can explain that? |
| 19:38.51 | Lo-lan-do | Yashy: It looks like "192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0" here |
| 19:38.54 | Chocky | your u-boot is teh oldy. |
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| 19:39.18 | Chocky | invokes mmontour |
| 19:39.52 | dino- | I see, I have to do a ton of reading. After my Nokia n770, I doubt I can be disappointed any further. So, this is very exciting. |
| 19:39.54 | LetoTo | chicky: is it? |
| 19:40.08 | LetoTo | chocky :) |
| 19:40.30 | Chocky | well, I assume it is too old, since you don't say, but it can certainly boot from ext2/3 in latest. |
| 19:40.57 | Chocky | you probably need today's daily. |
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| 19:41.11 | mmontour | returns the canned response "wait for the new u-boot images to show up on buildhost" |
| 19:41.24 | Zilla | whats the best firmware for just calling and sending a text? |
| 19:41.34 | xt | Zilla: symbian |
| 19:41.36 | Chocky | Nokia 3210 |
| 19:41.44 | lpotter | qtopia |
| 19:41.46 | Zilla | i have a se k800i atm |
| 19:41.46 | openiowa | Zilla, qtopia seems to be the most stable for me |
| 19:41.58 | SpeedEvil | Nokia 1100. |
| 19:42.06 | openiowa | oh, in general |
| 19:42.07 | xt | Nokia 5110 |
| 19:42.11 | Chocky | email to SMS gateway |
| 19:42.13 | xt | such a good phone |
| 19:42.15 | lpotter | nokia e90 |
| 19:42.19 | mmontour | but the "root=" is controlled by your kernel, not by u-boot. The filesystem support has to be compiled into the kernel, not built as a module. |
| 19:42.22 | Zilla | if u-boot flashing goes wrong.... can i only recover it using a dev-board? |
| 19:42.27 | SpeedEvil | Zilla: no |
| 19:42.36 | SpeedEvil | Zilla: NOR flash is an emergency backup |
| 19:42.39 | LetoTo | chocky: it has the option to boot from external media |
| 19:42.46 | SpeedEvil | zill; uyou can't write NOR flash without the debug board. |
| 19:42.52 | LetoTo | it just looks for more then i thought, eg more then just rootfs |
| 19:42.52 | Zilla | and you dont update nor.... ;) |
| 19:43.05 | Chocky | LetoTo: yessir. |
| 19:43.17 | GoldenHawk | He just has black where the 'qwerty' should be :( |
| 19:43.26 | Zilla | why does the wiki say that if you erase your nand-flash then it wont be recoverable .... only using devboard |
| 19:43.27 | LetoTo | so if it gets uImage.bin, do i also need to give it some modules thing? |
| 19:43.29 | openiowa | i'm having problems with my mic, whenever I turn it up I get a lot of noise. Anyone else have this? |
| 19:43.42 | SpeedEvil | Zilla: that's probably written at the time of GTA01 |
| 19:43.49 | Zilla | could be |
| 19:43.50 | SpeedEvil | Zilla: it's not valid wioth freeruynner |
| 19:44.10 | openiowa | SpeedEvil, if it's not valid, should we update that? |
| 19:44.12 | Zilla | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Nand_erase |
| 19:44.17 | SpeedEvil | openiowa: probabvly, yes. |
| 19:44.18 | LetoTo | tries cp good-kernel.bin /media/disk/uImage.bin |
| 19:44.18 | Zilla | im talking about this... |
| 19:44.34 | Chocky | LetoTo: that works if your uboot can do it. |
| 19:44.53 | Zilla | that link doesnt count for the freerunner? |
| 19:44.54 | GoldenHawk | Anyone know anything about what software provides the querty keyboard in qtopia on ASU? |
| 19:45.00 | GoldenHawk | And why it would be missing? |
| 19:45.04 | SpeedEvil | Zilla: no. |
| 19:45.11 | mmontour | openiowa: yes, see the issues linked from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality (+ several threads on the mailing lists) |
| 19:45.16 | SpeedEvil | Zilla: adding caveat at teh beginning |
| 19:46.38 | LetoTo | it flashed some "unable to read Uimage.bin" and them more stuff i couldnt see. then booted some kernel anyway, and ended with unable to mount root fs on unknown=block(179,2) |
| 19:47.21 | Chocky | you need to change the root= to mmcblk0p1 |
| 19:47.24 | Chocky | etc |
| 19:47.33 | Chocky | the instructions on the wiki assume a second partition |
| 19:47.35 | LetoTo | where? |
| 19:47.41 | Chocky | or the defaults in uboot |
| 19:47.46 | LetoTo | is that in the "kernel" bin ? |
| 19:47.50 | Chocky | in u-boot config |
| 19:48.07 | Chocky | good lucky changing that ;-) |
| 19:48.09 | Chocky | -y |
| 19:48.14 | LetoTo | that seems wrong. |
| 19:48.23 | LetoTo | the menu allows for "booting from external media" |
| 19:48.32 | LetoTo | so i dont think i need to muck with u-boot |
| 19:48.34 | Chocky | well, the original setup was partition one FAT formatted with the kernel, then partition 2 with ext2/3 |
| 19:48.38 | SpeedEvil | iSCSI over GPRS? |
| 19:48.47 | Chocky | ah, I dunno about the extenral media thing. sorry |
| 19:48.58 | Zilla | that would be fun SpeedEvil |
| 19:49.01 | Zilla | but not so speedy |
| 19:49.24 | LetoTo | good-kernel.bin: u-boot/PPCBoot image hmm, need to read up on that |
| 19:50.13 | retracile | SpeedEvil: I like your kind of insanity. ;) |
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| 19:51.38 | openiowa | has anyone tried debian? I'm interested but it seems like a lot of work |
| 19:52.13 | jtickle | openiowa, as a desktop? |
| 19:52.23 | LetoTo | why run a non-optimized OS? |
| 19:52.24 | openiowa | jtickle, no on the freerunner |
| 19:52.47 | openiowa | i don't know, screenshots looked cool to me? Just curious |
| 19:53.02 | jtickle | I think the OM distro is based on debian |
| 19:53.07 | jtickle | it could be done, but that would be a bit of work |
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| 19:53.53 | jtickle | I ran Familiar Linux awhile back on an iPaq (is that what OpenEmbedded is based on?) and it's nothing more than debian optimized for embedded devices |
| 19:53.54 | jtickle | bye bye |
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| 19:54.41 | Chocky | sweet |
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| 19:54.54 | Chocky | just sold one of our products to the North Pole :p |
| 19:54.57 | GoldenHawk | Does anyone know anything about the qtopia keyboard software on ASU? |
| 19:55.07 | GoldenHawk | It was there for me just fine when I installed but not for my buddy. |
| 19:55.16 | LetoTo | oh uImage.bin needs to go into boot/ |
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| 19:55.39 | Chocky | jtickle: yes, er, ish. that would have been some years back. OE is a lot like Debian, but a lot different nowaways too. |
| 19:55.53 | Chocky | there's EmDebian, which is much more integrated into Debina |
| 19:55.58 | Chocky | default Debian is a kinda fat |
| 19:56.08 | Chocky | LetoTo: depends what uboot config says |
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| 19:58.42 | LetoTo | didnt help me either. Chocky: where can i find the uboot menu? |
| 19:59.50 | Chocky | heh |
| 19:59.57 | Chocky | see the uboot instructions on the wiki. |
| 20:00.10 | Chocky | that's comedy in itself, since serial access is kind of borked |
| 20:01.17 | mike--2 | hmm, i've found another interesting issue with the FreeRunner... anyone notice that the keyboard is incorrect when plugged into USB power |
| 20:02.13 | Chocky | wife goes away next month for two weeks. then I can speed some quality wiki time. |
| 20:02.13 | mike--2 | e.g. pressing 0 gives you a } |
| 20:02.15 | LetoTo | "If you are using a Freerunner and have created an ext2 partition you should be able to boot from the card right out of the box, because a boot menu entry for this should already exist in the NAND boot menu." |
| 20:02.19 | LetoTo | i shouldnt need to touch the menu |
| 20:02.30 | Chocky | LetoTo: yes, but that statement is full of assumptions. |
| 20:03.05 | Chocky | not to mention wrong ;-) |
| 20:03.27 | AntonTakk | mike--2: i had seen that, but hadn't associated it with usb |
| 20:04.12 | mike--2 | yeah, i've tested that on 3 FRs, all of them seem to do it only when plugged into a USB power source |
| 20:04.20 | mike--2 | including the power supply that came with it |
| 20:04.29 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 20:04.32 | AntonTakk | yer right |
| 20:04.38 | AntonTakk | that's an odd bug |
| 20:04.50 | mike--2 | it doesn't enter a different runlevel when charging, so i'm not sure what could cause it |
| 20:05.28 | AntonTakk | plugging in USB gets you the obfuscated perl writer's keyboard map? |
| 20:05.35 | Chocky | laffs. |
| 20:06.04 | sevenhundred | by the way, has anyone tried connecting a freerunner to a box running andLinux on winXP? |
| 20:06.15 | Chocky | huh? |
| 20:06.36 | AntonTakk | anyone know how to change the font size for gtk apps? |
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| 20:07.05 | sevenhundred | andLinux, a distro that can run on windows |
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| 20:07.21 | sevenhundred | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andlinux |
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| 20:07.44 | Chocky | why would I be running Windows? ;o |
| 20:08.50 | sevenhundred | maybe you got a dell with win preinstalled, with one giant partition full of stuff you don't want to lose? ;p |
| 20:08.59 | Chocky | shovelware? no thanks. |
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| 20:09.46 | Chocky | and why did Dell put my stuff on my computer? |
| 20:10.04 | Chocky | and more to the point, why did I (a) buy from Dell or (b) buy a computer with Windows on it? |
| 20:10.16 | Zilla | bloatware sucs |
| 20:10.18 | Zilla | *sucks |
| 20:10.21 | sevenhundred | you didn't buy it, you got it for christmas |
| 20:10.33 | sevenhundred | duh |
| 20:10.36 | sevenhundred | :P |
| 20:10.37 | Chocky | sevenhundred: extraordinally unlikely. |
| 20:10.45 | sevenhundred | well it happens |
| 20:10.51 | Chocky | and even if true, it woulnd't have Windows on it for long |
| 20:11.03 | Chocky | er, wouldn't |
| 20:11.29 | Zilla | if you got it for christmas you did pay for it |
| 20:11.43 | Zilla | but your partner bought it ;) |
| 20:11.43 | Chocky | Zilla: that's probably true. |
| 20:11.58 | Zilla | if you are living on your own ;) |
| 20:12.17 | GoldenHawk | Does anyone know any reason why the 'querty' button in the upper left would be missing? |
| 20:12.22 | Chocky | ok, I _might_ buy a computer with Windows on it, because it tends to be cheaper than one without. But in any case, it wouldn't last long. |
| 20:12.24 | GoldenHawk | qwerty |
| 20:12.39 | Chocky | but not from Dell |
| 20:13.06 | sevenhundred | so, "no" to my question then? |
| 20:13.19 | Chocky | more like "why?" :o |
| 20:13.36 | Fossi | partitionmagic to the rescue |
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| 20:13.48 | Chocky | Debian install CD to the rescue! |
| 20:14.08 | Fossi | can it resize ntfs partitions? |
| 20:14.15 | Zorkman | Fossi: it can |
| 20:14.16 | sparrow | sevenhundred - I have not seen any mention in Channel, the mailing list or on the wiki about doing so. |
| 20:14.21 | Chocky | it can blow them away. |
| 20:14.41 | Fossi | well, the point about 'stuff you do not want to loose' is pretty valid |
| 20:14.42 | Blalien | Is there a way to install the applications on the MicroSD card? |
| 20:14.45 | sevenhundred | thanks, sparrow. I guess I'll be the first |
| 20:14.47 | Chocky | why is my stuff loose? |
| 20:14.53 | Chocky | and why is it there on a brand new machine? |
| 20:14.58 | Fossi | Blalien: yes |
| 20:15.00 | GoldenHawk | Who here uses ASU? |
| 20:15.03 | Chocky | anyway, use a DVD-R, etc. |
| 20:15.04 | AntonTakk | does |
| 20:15.11 | AntonTakk | (use ASU) |
| 20:15.12 | sparrow | sevenhundred - If you do get it sorted, make a page on the wiki ;) |
| 20:15.13 | Chocky | tightens his loose stuff. |
| 20:15.16 | Zorkman | doesn't but is going to test it out again soon |
| 20:15.21 | GoldenHawk | AntonTakk: Do you have a qwerty button in the upper left? |
| 20:15.28 | AntonTakk | newp |
| 20:15.38 | AntonTakk | using image from 7/15 |
| 20:15.40 | sevenhundred | sparrow, I will :) |
| 20:15.40 | GoldenHawk | AntonTakk: I have one.. and it's great but I don't know how I got it there. |
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| 20:15.56 | AntonTakk | GoldenHawk: what image you using? |
| 20:15.57 | GoldenHawk | AntonTakk: A friend of mine installed today's build and it wasn't there. |
| 20:16.02 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 20:16.10 | GoldenHawk | AntonTakk: I installed the latest build a few days ago. |
| 20:16.15 | Zorkman | GoldenHawk: i installed it two days ago and it wasn't there also |
| 20:16.16 | GoldenHawk | Antontakk: Like friday ish. |
| 20:16.28 | Blalien | Fossi: How can I do this? |
| 20:16.42 | Zorkman | GoldenHawk: on the mailinglists they said it was a deliberate choise of the developpers not to be able to pop up a keyboard :s |
| 20:16.42 | GoldenHawk | Zorkman: Is it *supposed* to be there, or is it some sort of option? I'm trying to figure out what software provides it. |
| 20:16.47 | AntonTakk | eh, I already have all my contacts setup, not going to flash for a qwerty button :) |
| 20:17.04 | sparrow | GoldenHawk - Did you replace the rootfs with an image, or just the kernel? |
| 20:17.05 | GoldenHawk | Zorkman: No f'in way. |
| 20:17.30 | GoldenHawk | sparrow: I installed a brand spankin' new rootfs a few days ago from a qtopia-x11 image. |
| 20:17.41 | Zorkman | GoldenHawk: yes, wait and i'll search for the mail |
| 20:17.51 | GoldenHawk | I love my querty keyboard, and if I did something by accident to make it appear, I want to know how to make it appear again as needed. |
| 20:17.52 | Fossi | Blalien: dunno, check the wiki |
| 20:18.04 | GoldenHawk | Anyone have any idea? |
| 20:18.08 | Fossi | Blalien: just read somewhere how it works, but can't remember |
| 20:18.55 | GoldenHawk | Zorkman: Does the mail give any clue about how people are supposed to enter in text like names in the contacts screen? |
| 20:18.59 | Zorkman | GoldenHawk: quote: |
| 20:19.03 | Zorkman | the problem is the designers decided that ASU is not to have any manual |
| 20:19.07 | Zorkman | keyboard toggle button because it will disturb the design and/or confuse users, |
| 20:19.11 | Zorkman | so all apps and toolkits need modification to talk a "protocol" to bring up the |
| 20:19.11 | Zorkman | keyboard on demand (no manual controls). that is why you need to do this. |
| 20:19.11 | Zorkman | personally i think you need a manual control because, as such, many apps and |
| 20:19.11 | Zorkman | toolkits will not be changed, or they will get it wrong and give you a keyboard |
| 20:19.11 | Zorkman | when you don't want one, or decide not to give you one when you do... but |
| 20:19.11 | Zorkman | that's not my call. |
| 20:19.14 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0978ec0598a3 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [app-restarter] Add the little helper utility to the OpenEmbedded/Openmoko metadata |
| 20:19.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5c6805dc3235 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [qtopia] Use the app-restarter in case the Qtopia process exits |
| 20:19.29 | Zorkman | mail from The Rasterman to the community list Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:47 PM |
| 20:19.47 | Zorkman | GoldenHawk: subject :Re: Terminal for ASU |
| 20:19.56 | GoldenHawk | Zorkman: Thanks. |
| 20:20.05 | GoldenHawk | My question right now is how to turn it on though for my friend. |
| 20:20.09 | GoldenHawk | He needs it. |
| 20:20.28 | AntonTakk | find out what image you have and flash it to his phone? |
| 20:20.37 | Zorkman | GoldenHawk: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/023044.html |
| 20:20.42 | GoldenHawk | AntonTakk: That doesn't help me if some day I want to upgrade. |
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| 20:24.54 | zilux | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.20 | mike--2 | GoldenHawk: does ASU use matchbox? |
| 20:25.21 | zilux | common issue? |
| 20:25.42 | GoldenHawk | mike--2: doesn't seem so. |
| 20:25.56 | leinirAWAY | mike--2: matchbox as in the window manager? No, it uses a thoroughly hacked version of enlightenment :) |
| 20:26.15 | mike--2 | ehh, alright, because I just found out how to get that button in matchbox :) |
| 20:26.28 | GoldenHawk | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/023069.html <-- This one mentions a 'theme element' .. does anyone know where to find these themes? |
| 20:26.32 | mike--2 | is there a wiki on installing ASU? - I searched but couldn't find anything detailed |
| 20:26.34 | Zandini_ | This may be a stupid question, but is OM2007.2 still being maintained? Or has everyone moved to ASU or qtopia.net? |
| 20:26.45 | AntonTakk | leinirAWAY: technically, ut uses enlightenment + an enlightenment module that makes some big changes |
| 20:26.47 | Zorkman | mike-2 just flash the device, that is the most easy |
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| 20:27.28 | mike--2 | Zorkman: thanks, I'll have to see about backing up what I currently have in case I don't like ASU |
| 20:27.35 | GoldenHawk | mike--2: You just flash it with a different image. I believe they're called qtopia-x11 they should be right beside the normal stuff in the daily build dirs. |
| 20:27.39 | AntonTakk | GoldenHawk: oh buddy |
| 20:27.44 | AntonTakk | e17 themeing |
| 20:28.01 | AntonTakk | i started to port an old favorite to e17 once |
| 20:28.31 | AntonTakk | i got the theme for like 4 of the 9 types of window borders done - in 5k lines of edje code :) |
| 20:28.42 | GoldenHawk | D: ! |
| 20:29.24 | AntonTakk | GoldenHawk: it's a very nice themeing setup, but there is a whole lot to theme |
| 20:29.44 | GoldenHawk | AntonTakk: So E17 themes is what ASU uses? |
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| 20:29.54 | AntonTakk | for the window manager, anyways |
| 20:30.06 | AntonTakk | apps use qt themes, i'd think |
| 20:30.18 | AntonTakk | er |
| 20:30.27 | GoldenHawk | AntonTakk: I'm just trying to figure out a place to start in terms of editing the source code and recompiling a version of (package x?) that includes the qwerty toggle for my friend. |
| 20:30.32 | AntonTakk | s/window\ manager/illume/ |
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| 20:31.06 | AntonTakk | GoldenHawk: that's one of the nice things about e17 themes, you only need to decompile and recompile the theme it's self |
| 20:31.12 | Chocky | "itself" |
| 20:31.14 | Chocky | ta. |
| 20:31.25 | GoldenHawk | AntonTakk: Neat ^.^ Do you know where they're stored on the phone? |
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| 20:31.49 | AntonTakk | nope, but i'd bet find / --name *.edj does :) |
| 20:32.21 | GoldenHawk | AntonTakk: Sweet bro. This should be enough for me to get started. |
| 20:32.25 | GoldenHawk | AntonTakk: Thanks. |
| 20:32.29 | AntonTakk | np |
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| 20:33.05 | malik1972 | lpotter: ping |
| 20:33.30 | AntonTakk | still noone knowing how to set/change font for 2007.2 apps? |
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| 20:34.59 | Elleo | any ideas how I can manually trigger the illume keyboard? |
| 20:35.12 | Elleo | after the last upgrade it doesn't come up at all (besides the icon being removed) |
| 20:35.26 | Elleo | even on text fields that used to automatically request it previously |
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| 20:36.16 | Elleo | AntonTakk: you could edit the gtkrc add something like: gtk-font-name = "Sans 4" |
| 20:36.21 | Elleo | for 4 point Sans |
| 20:36.28 | AntonTakk | hrm, thanks |
| 20:36.35 | Elleo | no problem |
| 20:36.54 | AntonTakk | got tangogps on asu but the fonts are hueg :) |
| 20:37.10 | *** part/#openmoko zhobbs_ (n=zach@mail.guardianmfg.com) |
| 20:37.14 | Elleo | AntonTakk: yeah, I had the same issue |
| 20:37.26 | Elleo | install moko-gtk-theme |
| 20:37.33 | AntonTakk | i did |
| 20:37.44 | AntonTakk | and set it in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
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| 20:37.50 | AntonTakk | but the fonts are still bog |
| 20:37.53 | Elleo | okay, good |
| 20:37.56 | AntonTakk | big |
| 20:38.00 | Elleo | then you just need to add the line I gave you before |
| 20:40.12 | Yashy | Still stuck trying to get USB_Networking working if anyone cares to take a look http://pastebin.com/m5fe9a478 |
| 20:40.35 | Chocky | no, OI |
| 20:40.40 | Chocky | no, I'm past it :p |
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| 20:44.50 | Chocky | D! |
| 20:44.55 | Dave | C! |
| 20:45.13 | Chocky | hands trouble making reins back |
| 20:45.26 | Zorkman | question: are there builds (ASU/2007.2/FSO/qtopia) where suspend is working alright? |
| 20:46.11 | Zorkman | 2007.2 always revives itself every couple of minutes and when the freerunner leaves suspend sound and control is bugged |
| 20:48.37 | Zorkman | question: i've done opkg upgrade and opkg update but cat /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive still returns 2 |
| 20:48.45 | Zorkman | i thought it should be standard 0? |
| 20:51.18 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure it'll readback properly. |
| 20:52.01 | GoldenHawk | Well, I believe I figured out how to turn on the qwerty keyboard if anyone is interested. |
| 20:52.25 | railer | whats the command again to transfer files over usb0? s something? |
| 20:52.28 | Dave | :D |
| 20:52.31 | Dave | Railer! |
| 20:52.34 | SpeedEvil | scp |
| 20:52.36 | railer | Hey Dave! |
| 20:52.36 | Dave | yeah |
| 20:52.47 | railer | froget everything |
| 20:52.54 | GoldenHawk | I think I'm going to put this on the wiki so everyone knows. |
| 20:52.56 | railer | whats up |
| 20:53.05 | Chocky | railer: I just heard that lyric in a song as you said that :p |
| 20:53.06 | railer | changing my bg to lcars |
| 20:53.06 | Dave | Railer, gettin' down and dirtay with your freerunner? ;) |
| 20:53.07 | SpeedEvil | GoldenHawk: Yay! |
| 20:53.12 | Chocky | Dunno if it included the typo. |
| 20:53.16 | Dave | hah |
| 20:53.20 | Zorkman | GoldenHawk: i'm interested |
| 20:53.27 | Dave | froget yer typos yo |
| 20:53.35 | Chocky | no, I'm passed them. |
| 20:53.36 | railer | really I said that? |
| 20:53.37 | Dave | just bust a move and let it flow |
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| 20:53.51 | ajbrun | anyone got their invisible sheild for their FR yet? |
| 20:53.59 | Dave | aha |
| 20:54.03 | Dave | Speedevil |
| 20:54.05 | Dave | Where's yours? :) |
| 20:54.15 | railer | nope what the invisible shield? |
| 20:54.26 | ajbrun | http://www.zagg.com/ |
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| 20:54.27 | Dave | Forcefield, ACTIVATE! |
| 20:54.35 | Zorkman | I'm gonna buy one |
| 20:54.43 | Chocky | The weirding way |
| 20:54.55 | Dave | Every time I see that, it reminds me of the lolcat with INVISIBLE BICYCLE |
| 20:55.04 | Dave | Since that's pretty much all it is... as far as I can tell. |
| 20:55.14 | Chocky | daren't ask. |
| 20:55.21 | Dave | >:) |
| 20:55.36 | GoldenHawk | Well here it is: opkg install libevas-saver-png edje-utils; cd /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume; edje_decc illume.edj; cd illume; vi freerunner.edc (comment out visible 0 under the 'qwerty' part, and replace it with visible 1); ./build.sh |
| 20:55.45 | GoldenHawk | I'm still trying to figure out how to get build.sh to work.. apparantly needs more packages. |
| 20:56.00 | Chocky | I still think that "ip moo" is hilarious. |
| 20:56.49 | Dave | :D |
| 20:57.41 | AntonTakk | GoldenHawk: if edje_cc works, you should be able to build the theme |
| 20:58.16 | GoldenHawk | AntonTakk: edge_cc does not work. It complains about missing programs. |
| 20:58.25 | AntonTakk | ruh-ro |
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| 20:58.39 | GoldenHawk | cpp, embryo_cc |
| 20:58.48 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 20:58.49 | GoldenHawk | Are the programs it complains are missing. |
| 20:58.56 | GoldenHawk | I know what cpp is. |
| 20:59.01 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 20:59.12 | GoldenHawk | But I don't know what embryo_cc is |
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| 20:59.15 | AntonTakk | embryo_cc is another efl app |
| 20:59.34 | AntonTakk | opkg list | grep embryo |
| 20:59.40 | GoldenHawk | If I can find the ipk it's in (if any) then I should be able to write up a little tutorial on the wiki. |
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| 21:00.02 | GoldenHawk | That comes up with something that's already installed.. libembryo .. no tool though. |
| 21:00.12 | davi | Why is the GSM network different than the InterNet network we all know? Why is needed a non-free software BLOB in the GSM driver? |
| 21:00.14 | davi | If it is about protecting radio frequency spectrum, is it not limited just by the hardware the device use? Why have to be forced a limitation on the software side? |
| 21:00.53 | Zilla | maybe someone develops an opensource gsm module |
| 21:00.58 | Zilla | that would be nice :) |
| 21:01.03 | GoldenHawk | davi: The government is involved. |
| 21:01.07 | LetoTo | you can't protect DOSing a gsm tower in hardware |
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| 21:01.24 | Zilla | maybe the usrp project will help us... :) |
| 21:01.33 | GoldenHawk | davi: GSM was decided by comitte, and people are arrested (worst case.. usually millions in fines) if something unauthorized gets transmitted. |
| 21:01.44 | GoldenHawk | davi: You can thank uncle sam. |
| 21:02.18 | davi | ! |
| 21:02.25 | GoldenHawk | davi: Whereas the regular internet is regulated only in the types of lines and where they go and what you're allowed to send on them.. unlike radio signals, they don't presume to tell us what protocol to use. |
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| 21:02.31 | Zilla | that cracking of gsm signals is very interesting because the only thing thats encrypted is the cellphone-celltower connection |
| 21:02.56 | AntonTakk | hrm |
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| 21:03.22 | sevenhundred | there's OSS projects on decyphering gsm signals |
| 21:03.41 | sevenhundred | decrypting*: whatever |
| 21:04.00 | davi | GoldenHawk, It is known any rationale which justify such regulation on GSM? |
| 21:04.39 | davi | s/It is/Is it/ |
| 21:05.36 | GoldenHawk | davi: *shrug* No. They do it for everything radio related. They tell you exactly precisely what kind of signal you're allowed to transmit. They wanted to release cell phones in the 60s instead of the 80s but they wouldn't let them. (I can imagine what the world would be like today if 3G came out twenty years ago) |
| 21:06.06 | GoldenHawk | davi: They did it with TV too. For the longest time they wouldn't let broadcasters transmit in digital or progressive scan.. and then suddenly BAM they **force** them to upgrade to DTV |
| 21:06.15 | GoldenHawk | davi: Talk about a pendulum swing :/ |
| 21:06.41 | GoldenHawk | davi: Same with radio. You think anyone wants to transmit in AM? |
| 21:06.58 | GoldenHawk | davi: Not really :p But that's the protocol the govrenment says is allowed on that band, and that's the only protocol you can legally use. |
| 21:07.17 | GoldenHawk | davi: Doesn't matter that they've given you that band.. you have to use this comittee decided specification for using it. |
| 21:07.26 | GoldenHawk | davi: *sigh* </rant> |
| 21:07.58 | Chocky | rants thataway -> |
| 21:09.02 | davi | GoldenHawk, Could openmoko allow the user of the mobile device take the risk to send the right signals or not, releasing a 100% free software GSM driver, or it is forced _by law_ such driver be in part non-free as a way to be more sure the right signals are sent? |
| 21:09.15 | GoldenHawk | davi: Don't know about that. |
| 21:09.36 | davi | ok, thanks |
| 21:09.50 | GoldenHawk | davi: I know there's some serious regulations that the chip/phone manufacturers have to deal with... I don't know exactly what those regulations are though. |
| 21:10.05 | sevenhundred | isn't there some export concerns as well? or is that only with the GPS? |
| 21:10.10 | GoldenHawk | davi: I also know that the chip manufacturers make the phone manufacturers sign NDAs. |
| 21:10.51 | davi | sevenhundred, I was said yesterday GPS has not non-free BLOB |
| 21:11.06 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r4550 10/developers/zecke/uinput-sender/ (. uinput-sender.c): [uinput-sender] Not yet working uinput test app to send pcf50633 to test kdrive bugs... |
| 21:11.20 | GoldenHawk | davi: I think what sevenhundred is refering to is to the regulations on military grade GPS systems. |
| 21:11.35 | davi | GoldenHawk, ah, such NDA thing. So you can not reveal how the chip works |
| 21:11.48 | GoldenHawk | davi: Unfortunately, common GPS devices are now approaching military grade, so there's fear that the regulators may start up war crimes charges. |
| 21:11.48 | edistar|uk | GoldenHawk: gsm is a problem |
| 21:12.02 | davi | GoldenHawk, I underdand military grade GPS must be regulated |
| 21:12.12 | Zilla | lol |
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| 21:12.27 | GoldenHawk | davi: The US is the only country doing it. No one else cares if you have a super high tech AGPS implementation on your moko phone :p |
| 21:12.28 | Chocky | lollercopter |
| 21:13.03 | AntonTakk | GoldenHawk: military grade being the ones that not only pinpoint your exact location on the globe, but also download real-time imagery from spy satellites so you can watch your self stand there playing with your gps device from orbit? |
| 21:13.18 | Zilla | but if gallileo arrives (european version of the gps) then everyone has military grade gps/galileo based location tracking.... =s |
| 21:13.28 | Chocky | reminds me of a Top Cat cartoon episode. |
| 21:13.40 | davi | GoldenHawk, As understand it work, the accuracy of the GPS depend on the accuracy of the GPS positioning signals? |
| 21:13.51 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 21:13.56 | Chocky | they launched a mini satellite with a camera, and in the end all they could see was themselves. |
| 21:14.08 | AntonTakk | two good gps signals, but still no fix, or fix time |
| 21:14.25 | rivalarrival | You need at least three before you can get a fix. |
| 21:14.51 | GoldenHawk | AntonTakk davi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AGPS (Search for ITAR) |
| 21:15.00 | davi | thanks |
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| 21:15.04 | Chocky | yeah, I just love how google maps is 5 years outta date |
| 21:15.27 | Tsingi | got phone. UPS girl is a redhead. |
| 21:15.37 | Chocky | double score |
| 21:15.40 | Tsingi | aye |
| 21:15.44 | Tsingi | I luv her |
| 21:15.56 | edistar|uk | that was fast |
| 21:16.07 | rivalarrival | Gonna be ordering stuff every day? |
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| 21:16.08 | Tsingi | Well, I already did. |
| 21:16.17 | Tsingi | We have met before. |
| 21:16.34 | Tsingi | Any, gorgeous display on both counts. |
| 21:17.00 | Tsingi | Mind if I ask the same questions everone else has asked when they got their phones over the last week? |
| 21:17.00 | Chocky | did you show her your package? |
| 21:17.04 | Tsingi | hehe |
| 21:17.06 | Tsingi | no |
| 21:17.13 | Tsingi | I did give her a big tip. |
| 21:17.23 | Chocky | sigh |
| 21:17.37 | *** part/#openmoko ciskje (n=francesc@host99-35-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 21:17.48 | Chocky | leper to prostitue - "you can keep the tip" |
| 21:17.55 | Tsingi | Well, she always comes back, after hours, I always give her a big tip and she is always astonished. |
| 21:17.55 | edistar|uk | Tsingi: just ask |
| 21:18.15 | Zilla | bye all |
| 21:18.28 | GoldenHawk | AntonTakk: I know of a tutorial for AGPS |
| 21:18.36 | GoldenHawk | AntonTakk: I get a 5 second first fix. |
| 21:18.43 | AntonTakk | nice! |
| 21:18.45 | GoldenHawk | AntonTakk: If I supply it with a known location. |
| 21:18.45 | AntonTakk | link? |
| 21:18.58 | Tsingi | ok, I put my rogers simm card in, plugged in the phone, it booted, and I see the 4 sms messages that were on my other phone. Does that mean I connected to the network? Or are the SMS messages on the simm? |
| 21:19.15 | Chocky | uh oh. angry Canadian. |
| 21:19.15 | edistar|uk | just on the sim |
| 21:19.25 | GoldenHawk | AntonTakk: http://www.freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21&p=2960 |
| 21:19.36 | edistar|uk | Tsingi: what does it say in the top right corner? |
| 21:19.40 | Tsingi | ahh. I suspect it will be locked then, it's about 3 years old. |
| 21:19.59 | Tsingi | edistar|uk: there are 4 symbols there. |
| 21:20.04 | rivalarrival | Try making a phone call. |
| 21:20.12 | GoldenHawk | Tsingi: I watch for the little 'signal bars' |
| 21:20.22 | Tsingi | well, shouldn't I let it charge a bit before I try to use it? |
| 21:20.29 | edistar|uk | Tsingi: sorry, top left |
| 21:20.34 | rivalarrival | Plug it in, make a call. |
| 21:20.41 | Tsingi | Top left says Messages. |
| 21:20.53 | GoldenHawk | Yeah that would be my advice too. Try making a call, that can prove you're on the network pretty fast :p |
| 21:21.03 | edistar|uk | okey, go back to the home app |
| 21:21.53 | Tsingi | oky. At seascape on top I see "ROGERS AT&T" |
| 21:22.01 | Tsingi | that bodes well? |
| 21:22.03 | rivalarrival | Cool. |
| 21:22.08 | Tsingi | aye :) |
| 21:23.15 | Tsingi | hmm, I was hoping phone numbers would be on the simm as well. |
| 21:23.28 | Tsingi | I of course no longer remember anyones number. |
| 21:23.43 | rivalarrival | Most phones can transfer them to the sim. |
| 21:23.45 | ajbrun | phone your house |
| 21:23.50 | ajbrun | phone the talking clock |
| 21:23.56 | rivalarrival | put shoe on head |
| 21:24.00 | ajbrun | phone your network provider |
| 21:24.00 | Chocky | AT&T phone home. |
| 21:24.07 | Tsingi | I only have a cell. I do not do business with companies like Bell Telephone. |
| 21:24.10 | rivalarrival | phone the white house. |
| 21:24.19 | Tsingi | I did that once when I was drunk. |
| 21:24.25 | rivalarrival | phone a random number |
| 21:24.36 | ajbrun | text yourself |
| 21:24.36 | Chocky | phone 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:24.40 | Tsingi | oky, I'll phone my office number. |
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| 21:25.34 | GoldenHawk | Tsingi: Are you just sparking up your phone for the first time? If so the software in it will be pretty old. |
| 21:25.43 | sevenhundred | exciting, isn't it? :D |
| 21:26.03 | rivalarrival | Yeah, it's like three weeks old already - that's ancient! :-) |
| 21:26.35 | Tsingi | heh, cool, I just got my office answering machind with Linux. |
| 21:26.43 | Tsingi | ok, it works. |
| 21:26.54 | GoldenHawk | Sweet. |
| 21:26.56 | railer | how come rename does not work? |
| 21:26.58 | ajbrun | wants one |
| 21:27.09 | GoldenHawk | railer: Rename? You mean mv? |
| 21:27.11 | Tsingi | I have a linux conference for the next three days, So I'm not going to dick with it until that is over. |
| 21:27.17 | railer | oh |
| 21:27.17 | sevenhundred | wants one |
| 21:27.18 | ajbrun | mine gets sent in 6 days |
| 21:27.19 | ajbrun | w00t |
| 21:27.21 | railer | nevermind |
| 21:28.07 | ajbrun | surley the BEST place to mess around with it will be in a linux conference? |
| 21:28.29 | rivalarrival | You'll be the envy of everyone at the conference. |
| 21:29.08 | ajbrun | now, to get a screen only invisible shield, or front and back one? |
| 21:29.14 | ajbrun | i'm thinking screen only tbh |
| 21:29.30 | ajbrun | otherwise the back will be a bit rubbery imo |
| 21:29.35 | ajbrun | anyone got one? |
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| 21:38.37 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 21:39.51 | AntonTakk | mailing list doesn't mention anything, but has anyone heard about the posability of repairs/exchanges for the gps/sd card noise issue? |
| 21:40.47 | sevenhundred | AntonTakk: I think the wiki mentions a software fix |
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| 21:41.24 | AntonTakk | does the soft fix work as well as the hard fix? |
| 21:42.04 | AntonTakk | and how amazingly do they work togather? :) |
| 21:42.21 | sevenhundred | I don't know, haven't received my Precious yet |
| 21:43.02 | AntonTakk | your's one of the newer ones with the added capacitor? |
| 21:43.34 | Chocky | yours! |
| 21:43.50 | AntonTakk | ... |
| 21:43.51 | sevenhundred | It's the second batch, but I don't know about that |
| 21:44.21 | AntonTakk | i thought 's implied ownership, just, when talking about his fr, "your's" would be correct? |
| 21:44.31 | Chocky | its, ours, yours, his, hers. |
| 21:44.57 | Chocky | Those words already imply posession. |
| 21:45.03 | Chocky | er, possesion |
| 21:45.08 | Chocky | um. |
| 21:45.53 | AntonTakk | well, as long as the fix works decently, that will be enough, but tbh I would "feel" a bit better having it fixed in hardware |
| 21:46.24 | AntonTakk | a soldered capacitor can't be un-done by a careless svn submit :) |
| 21:46.29 | Chocky | heh |
| 21:47.22 | railer | hey anyone seen a tutorial on making a theme? Must get lcars going |
| 21:47.35 | railer | and how do you change the font? |
| 21:47.37 | AntonTakk | theme for which image? |
| 21:48.04 | railer | 2007 |
| 21:48.16 | AntonTakk | it's simple gtk theming |
| 21:49.18 | railer | I saw gtk and matchbox, I should use gtk |
| 21:49.31 | AntonTakk | well, matchbox is the wm |
| 21:49.39 | railer | wm? |
| 21:49.44 | AntonTakk | so you may have to do both |
| 21:49.47 | AntonTakk | window manager |
| 21:49.57 | cjb | what's the method for getting a better keyboard (ctrl, /, etc) on 2007.2? |
| 21:50.13 | wurp2|awayish | cjb: Switching_Keyboards on the wiki |
| 21:50.38 | Tsingi | Well, not having any luck making more calls, but the first one worked. |
| 21:50.40 | railer | I have the better kb, I'll look at the gtk theming |
| 21:50.43 | AntonTakk | cjb: i believe there is a matchbox-keyboard package, or some-such, i think it's documented in the getting started wiki page |
| 21:50.59 | cjb | Thanks. |
| 21:51.39 | AntonTakk | Tsingi: that was my experience with 2007.2, might try looking at the contacts for your sim and make sure they are making good contact |
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| 21:52.07 | AntonTakk | Tsingi: i endud up flashing asu and found the telephony/sms to be very reliable |
| 21:52.30 | AntonTakk | ymmv, of corse, asu being pre-alpha :) |
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| 21:53.24 | toggles_w | w00t.. finally got multiple images on my sd card |
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| 21:56.43 | Tsingi | AntonTakk: playing around, I dropped the antenna menu down, selected auto register and called my mom. |
| 21:57.03 | carrar | What she have to say? |
| 21:57.06 | Tsingi | just now. |
| 21:57.22 | Tsingi | carrar: She said to say hello to you. |
| 21:57.31 | Tsingi | how come you know my mom? |
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| 21:57.34 | carrar | nice, tell thanks |
| 21:57.37 | carrar | her |
| 21:57.39 | carrar | heh |
| 21:58.31 | AntonTakk | woo! ttff @ 49:42 at my desk! ;) |
| 21:58.51 | ajbrun | how long does the battery on the FR last these days? |
| 21:58.56 | AntonTakk | office buildings != good gps testing places |
| 21:59.16 | AntonTakk | ajbrun: i keep a usb cable with me when I go to work :) |
| 21:59.33 | ajbrun | i will too, but these things are allways good to know |
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| 22:00.14 | AntonTakk | welp, time to go home, catch you all later, maybe |
| 22:02.02 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07artwork * r8128497ad126 10/illume/illume.edj: add illume theme |
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| 22:08.59 | mmaestri | hi |
| 22:09.06 | ajbrun | hello there. |
| 22:09.13 | SirBob1701 | hey |
| 22:09.21 | mmaestri | can anyone point me to the last ASU image available? |
| 22:09.57 | ajbrun | can't |
| 22:10.43 | SirBob1701 | mmaestri: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/ |
| 22:10.58 | SirBob1701 | one from 21st works better though |
| 22:11.17 | mmaestri | nice |
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| 22:12.28 | ajbrun | i know there's a comparison between all the distros you can load, but are there actually any user comparisons anywhere? |
| 22:12.45 | ajbrun | rather than the factual stuff that i've seen |
| 22:12.54 | SirBob1701 | not that i know of |
| 22:13.13 | ajbrun | opinions rather than facts of which is 'better' or more popular |
| 22:13.17 | ajbrun | and why |
| 22:13.56 | mmaestri | now I'm being just noob. which files should I download? |
| 22:14.41 | edistar|uk | mmaestri: a .jffs2 and a uImage* |
| 22:14.55 | Chocky | Debian squeezes onto the 512MB sd card. |
| 22:15.11 | mmaestri | ok |
| 22:17.05 | mmaestri | some of it are "devel" and others are "qtopia". I guess I know what the qtopia ones are, but what about the others? |
| 22:17.12 | mmaestri | what's the difference |
| 22:17.22 | edistar|uk | mmaestri: the others are 2007.2/gtk |
| 22:18.08 | mmaestri | ok. I thought those were on a different directory. thanks edistar|uk |
| 22:18.10 | SirBob1701 | use the qtopia ones |
| 22:18.20 | railer | anyone know if you can open up the openmoko on ubuntu like a network drive? |
| 22:18.25 | SirBob1701 | there i thihnk the others ahve a crapload of debug on |
| 22:19.01 | mmaestri | yes. I've just readed Ars Technica review about stacks |
| 22:19.16 | ajbrun | http://photobox.co.uk/ |
| 22:19.21 | ajbrun | that down for everyone else? |
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| 22:19.56 | SirBob1701 | ajbrun: ya its down |
| 22:19.59 | ajbrun | k :( |
| 22:20.06 | ajbrun | thanks tho |
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| 22:20.51 | SirBob1701 | m[ |
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| 22:21.39 | mmaestri | uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin is the uImage, right? |
| 22:22.10 | edistar|uk | mmaestri: no |
| 22:22.13 | Zorkman | no, that is the uboot image |
| 22:22.21 | edistar|uk | mmaestri: uImage* is the uImage ;) |
| 22:22.43 | edistar|uk | mmaestri: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 22:22.46 | mmaestri | f*ck I knew it :p |
| 22:23.08 | Zorkman | mmaestri: uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin is the uImage |
| 22:23.42 | Zorkman | when i run dmesg i get "mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card" |
| 22:23.44 | mmaestri | thanks edistar|uk & Zorkman |
| 22:23.49 | Zorkman | anyone a clue? |
| 22:24.58 | Chocky | with the lamp in the dining room by Mr Mustard |
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| 22:25.18 | Zorkman | the lamp? we don't have that in the belgian cluedo version :) |
| 22:25.51 | Chocky | le lampo, Tintin |
| 22:26.58 | Zorkman | ok, i'll just Kuifje --help in the terminal |
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| 22:30.00 | Zorkman | does anyone know a sollution to be able to format the sd card? it seems not to be mounted: when i run dmesg i get "mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card" |
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| 22:33.32 | edistar | Zorkman: isn't the sd card somewhere else? mmc0 sounds very unfamiliar |
| 22:33.39 | edistar | Zorkman: try fdisk /dev/mmc0 |
| 22:34.14 | edistar | Zorkman: but it sounds like the newest kernel patch that lowered the hz to SD reader borked this |
| 22:34.16 | Zorkman | edistar: i already tried that i get fdisk: cannot open /dev/mmc0 |
| 22:34.34 | edistar | Zorkman: try it with an old kernel, 4 days old or so |
| 22:35.10 | edistar | if that works please file a bug |
| 22:35.36 | Zorkman | ok, i'm on it |
| 22:36.02 | Zorkman | i just need to flash the kernel and not the rootfs? (just checking) |
| 22:36.43 | edistar | Zorkman: yes |
| 22:37.20 | mmaestri | the freerunner must be in u-boot screen while I flash the kernel and the rootfs, right? |
| 22:37.41 | cjb | yes |
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| 22:38.43 | Zorkman | edistar: there are no uImage-files in for example http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080718/ |
| 22:38.52 | mmaestri | so I have to put it in u-boot mode, and then do the dfu-util thing twice, (one for the kernel, another for the rootfs) |
| 22:39.06 | Chocky | and once for uboot, if needed :o |
| 22:39.19 | mmaestri | yeah, right...:p |
| 22:39.45 | cjb | mmaestri: correct. |
| 22:39.50 | mmaestri | it will stay in u-boot mode between transfers? |
| 22:39.57 | edistar | Zorkman: strange, they just disappeared |
| 22:39.58 | cjb | yes |
| 22:40.01 | edistar | mmaestri: yes |
| 22:40.03 | Zorkman | edistar |
| 22:40.13 | edistar | Zorkman: I'll upload one for you |
| 22:40.13 | Zorkman | edistar: i know.... do you know where to find older ones? |
| 22:40.19 | Zorkman | ok, thanks |
| 22:41.01 | mmaestri | and if I take to much time to send the second "chunk", it'll shut down or stay at this mode? |
| 22:41.06 | Chocky | too |
| 22:41.13 | Zorkman | mmaestri: it'll stay up |
| 22:41.17 | mmaestri | ok |
| 22:41.50 | Zorkman | once you typed the command it stays connected untill the transfer is done |
| 22:41.59 | edistar | Zorkman: http://80.61.221.9/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 22:42.38 | cjb | recommends not flashing .bin files from random IP addresses to your phone. |
| 22:42.38 | edistar | Zorkman: does the download work? |
| 22:42.45 | edistar | Zorkman: what speed? |
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| 22:42.48 | cjb | oh, it's uImage, not uboot. that's something. |
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| 22:42.55 | edistar | cjb: it's only a kernel and my ip |
| 22:43.05 | cjb | yeah, I conflated uimage and uboot. |
| 22:43.25 | edistar | wouldn't even flash a new uboot if it came from OM :) |
| 22:43.29 | cjb | I still wouldn't personally run that kernel, but it's not very dangerous to do so. |
| 22:43.47 | edistar | cjb: it's just to test if the new patches are the problem for sd |
| 22:43.50 | ajbrun | on a lot of youtube vid like this one, the phone buzzes |
| 22:43.54 | ajbrun | anyone know why? |
| 22:43.54 | ajbrun | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rcgK2WcrT2g |
| 22:43.59 | edistar | he is free to send the file to /dev/null after that |
| 22:44.17 | ajbrun | like a hard drive buzz |
| 22:44.25 | Chocky | haxx0r-your-fone-lol-plz.bin |
| 22:45.10 | edistar | Chocky: good idea, next time that'll be a nice name :) |
| 22:45.31 | ajbrun | does anyone elses freerunner buzz and whir? |
| 22:46.30 | railer | Why isn't it anywhere on the openmoko that you can just click Places>Connect to Server> SSH to do all your file transfers and browsing!!! That's so FREAKIN EASY! |
| 22:46.36 | Zorkman | edistar: download worked, sorry didn't look at the speed |
| 22:46.50 | edistar | Zorkman: don't worry |
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| 22:47.07 | Zorkman | flashed the device and it's booting, i'll see if I can format SH |
| 22:47.11 | Zorkman | *SD |
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| 22:48.22 | mmaestri | flashing... |
| 22:48.43 | Zorkman | edistar: now it sees the SD card |
| 22:50.38 | Zorkman | edistart: now i get error at the end of partitioning: fdisk: WARNING: rereading partition table failed, kernel still uses old table: Device or resource busy |
| 22:51.01 | SirBob1701 | that can't be good ;) |
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| 22:51.25 | edistar_ | Zorkman: sorry, wobbly server here |
| 22:51.53 | edistar_ | Zorkman: what does it tell you? |
| 22:52.29 | Zorkman | I can se the sd card, and i do all the partitioning from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD but get at the end the error "fdisk: WARNING: rereading partition table failed, kernel still uses old table: Device or resource busy" |
| 22:53.04 | edistar_ | hm |
| 22:53.04 | edistar_ | strange |
| 22:53.05 | edistar_ | what about if you delete all partitions? |
| 22:53.05 | edistar_ | and first unmount? |
| 22:53.07 | Zorkman | i'll have to look those commands up first :) |
| 22:53.30 | edistar_ | umount /dev/mmc0 |
| 22:53.33 | Zorkman | also: it seems i do not have mkfs (-sh: mkfs.vfat: not found) |
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| 22:53.38 | edistar_ | fdisk /dev/mmc0 |
| 22:53.43 | edistar_ | d |
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| 22:54.07 | Chocky | SoCol! |
| 22:54.09 | Chocky | er |
| 22:54.09 | edistar_ | but I'm sure that the sd ist not at mmc0 |
| 22:54.10 | Chocky | SoCal! |
| 22:54.20 | jamasi | railer, most likely because nobody had time to code this, yet. |
| 22:54.20 | Zorkman | umount: /dev/mmcblk0: not mounted |
| 22:54.30 | edistar_ | ok |
| 22:54.41 | edistar_ | try fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 22:54.46 | Chocky | suggests /dev/mmcblk0p1 or p2 |
| 22:54.46 | jamasi | feel free to do this as it's that easy. |
| 22:55.02 | Zorkman | fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 works |
| 22:55.15 | edistar_ | Zorkman: what does p tell you? |
| 22:55.21 | Chocky | yes, for parititioning the entire disk |
| 22:55.24 | Chocky | -i |
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| 22:55.35 | Zorkman | Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 507 MB, 507379712 bytes |
| 22:55.35 | Zorkman | 4 heads, 16 sectors/track, 15484 cylinders |
| 22:55.35 | Zorkman | Units = cylinders of 64 * 512 = 32768 bytes |
| 22:55.35 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.54 | edistar_ | okey |
| 22:56.03 | edistar_ | create a partition |
| 22:56.13 | Chocky | ew, fdisk |
| 22:56.14 | Chocky | use cfdisk |
| 22:56.22 | Zorkman | like in the wiki? first one of 8MB? |
| 22:56.33 | Chocky | but you don't need any of this moose |
| 22:56.39 | Chocky | uboot can boot direct from ext2/ext3 :p |
| 22:56.40 | edistar_ | Zorkman: well, just try to make a partition, nevermind how big atm |
| 22:56.55 | edistar_ | Chocky: what do you mean? |
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| 22:57.04 | Chocky | how is it unclear? |
| 22:57.11 | edistar_ | Chocky: you still have to create a partition on sd? |
| 22:57.35 | edistar_ | Zorkman: just make one partition with ext3/ext2 |
| 22:57.38 | edistar_ | rather ext2 :) |
| 22:57.46 | Zorkman | i tried to make a partition with the default values (starting at 1, ending at 15484) and i ge t the same error |
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| 22:57.58 | Zorkman | Command (m for help): w |
| 22:57.59 | Zorkman | The partition table has been altered! |
| 22:57.59 | Zorkman | Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table |
| 22:57.59 | Zorkman | fdisk: WARNING: rereading partition table failed, kernel still uses old table: Device or resource busy |
| 22:58.05 | edistar_ | Zorkman: reboot |
| 22:58.09 | Zorkman | ok |
| 22:58.58 | Chocky | yes, but I'd do it all under my desktop/laptop. much easier there |
| 22:59.05 | Chocky | rather than messing about with it under the FR |
| 22:59.19 | edistar_ | okey, why not ;) |
| 22:59.34 | edistar_ | I personally don't have an sd card reader at home ;) |
| 22:59.40 | Chocky | aw. |
| 22:59.40 | Zorkman | me neither |
| 22:59.54 | edistar_ | that's the main problem |
| 23:00.05 | Chocky | most desktops and some laptops have them built it. |
| 23:00.11 | Chocky | but card readers are uber cheap. |
| 23:00.32 | Chocky | but needs must :o |
| 23:00.45 | Zorkman | ok, rebooted |
| 23:01.23 | Zorkman | Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 507 MB, 507379712 bytes |
| 23:01.24 | Zorkman | 4 heads, 16 sectors/track, 15484 cylinders |
| 23:01.24 | Zorkman | Units = cylinders of 64 * 512 = 32768 bytes |
| 23:01.24 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.24 | Zorkman | /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 15484 495480 83 Linux |
| 23:01.29 | edistar_ | lovely |
| 23:01.31 | Zorkman | seems it worked |
| 23:01.40 | edistar_ | try a mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcblk0p0 |
| 23:02.12 | Zorkman | mke2fs 1.38 (30-Jun-2005) |
| 23:02.12 | Zorkman | Could not stat /dev/mmcblk0p0 --- No such file or directory |
| 23:02.12 | Zorkman | The device apparently does not exist; did you specify it correctly? |
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| 23:02.32 | Chocky | cat /proc/partitions |
| 23:02.51 | Zorkman | major minor #blocks name |
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| 23:02.55 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.59 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.03 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.07 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.11 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.11 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.11 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.11 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.11 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.12 | Zorkman | it does not exist, thanks Chocky |
| 23:03.15 | Chocky | there it is |
| 23:03.18 | Zorkman | so i use p1 i guess |
| 23:03.21 | Chocky | yes! |
| 23:03.35 | Chocky | enburpen. |
| 23:03.56 | Tsingi | Which stack comes with the phone, QTopia? |
| 23:03.57 | Zorkman | ok, that worked |
| 23:04.04 | edistar_ | sorry.. I thought it started counting at 0.. |
| 23:04.13 | Zorkman | Tsingi: 2007.2 |
| 23:04.14 | edistar_ | Tsingi: no, 2007.2 gtk |
| 23:04.27 | Tsingi | so it has webkit? |
| 23:04.53 | edistar_ | Tsingi: yes |
| 23:05.01 | Tsingi | then it does SVG? |
| 23:05.08 | edistar_ | Zorkman: mkfs.ext2 works? |
| 23:05.13 | edistar_ | Tsingi: I suppose |
| 23:05.23 | Tsingi | is one of the authors of SVG. |
| 23:05.37 | Tsingi | I'll be playing with THAT. |
| 23:05.43 | Zorkman | edistar_: yes, i'm now trying the wiki page |
| 23:05.47 | Zorkman | edistar |
| 23:05.48 | edistar_ | but openmoko-browser2 is really broken |
| 23:05.56 | Zorkman | edistar_: i don't get the error's anymore now... |
| 23:06.00 | edistar_ | Zorkman: you don't need the fat partition |
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| 23:06.24 | SirBob1701 | edistar__: try minimo |
| 23:06.32 | Tsingi | OK, I already built QEMU and broke it, I guess I'll start over. |
| 23:06.46 | edistar__ | Zorkman: could you please check if the newer kernels still don't work? |
| 23:06.55 | edistar__ | Zorkman: then please file a bug, it's very important |
| 23:07.03 | Zorkman | edistar__: ok |
| 23:07.06 | Zorkman | i'll reflash |
| 23:07.06 | edistar__ | SirBob1701: not webkit, Tsingi wanted webkit |
| 23:07.26 | SirBob1701 | oo |
| 23:07.58 | kelvie_work | and Qtopia 4.4 isn't out yet.. |
| 23:08.02 | kelvie_work | only 4.4 has webkit support |
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| 23:08.10 | kelvie_work | though it's going to be released in a few weeks, I hear |
| 23:08.41 | Tsingi | edistar__: can you point me in the right direction? Restarting the dev install from scratch now. |
| 23:09.08 | edistar__ | Tsingi: what's the problem exactly? |
| 23:10.17 | Tsingi | I don't know really, I built it a couple weeks ago. got the emulator up and running and then broke it somehow. I figured the easiest thing was just to start from scratch. |
| 23:10.37 | Zorkman | hopes they speed up the booting process |
| 23:11.16 | edistar__ | Tsingi: yeah, it is usually.. |
| 23:11.43 | edistar__ | Tsingi: I am usually surprised when it does work.. |
| 23:11.52 | edistar__ | emulator sucks :) |
| 23:12.08 | Tsingi | edistar__ If it's just generic from scratch, no problem, if there is something I should do along the way to get webkit in there, that's want I want to play with. |
| 23:13.06 | Tsingi | edistar__I just registered for a linux con, so I'm not going to do ANYTHING to the phone until that's over. |
| 23:13.10 | edistar__ | Tsingi: just generig |
| 23:13.14 | Zorkman | edistar: now it works.... |
| 23:13.17 | Tsingi | thanks. |
| 23:13.31 | Zorkman | very strange because i just flashed the same uImage I had before... |
| 23:13.32 | edistar__ | Zorkman: okey |
| 23:13.39 | edistar__ | so not a problem with the patch |
| 23:13.40 | edistar__ | luckily |
| 23:13.44 | Zorkman | maybe there was a problem because the card was not yet formatted |
| 23:13.50 | edistar__ | maybe, yes |
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| 23:14.18 | Zorkman | edistar: can i ask you a litle question about the booting from sd? |
| 23:14.34 | Zorkman | you said (and i read) that it is no longer nescesarry for a fat partition |
| 23:14.40 | edistar__ | Zorkman: yes |
| 23:14.42 | Zorkman | do i just make two ext2 partritions the? |
| 23:14.52 | Zorkman | *then |
| 23:14.57 | edistar__ | Zorkman: do you have a micrSDHC card or a normal one? |
| 23:15.00 | edistar__ | *micro |
| 23:15.13 | Zorkman | there is only space for a microSDHC no? |
| 23:15.21 | Zorkman | I use the one I got from openmoko |
| 23:15.34 | edistar__ | Zorkman: ok, then you have a microSD, not SDHC |
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| 23:16.05 | edistar__ | Zorkman: do you want your kernel on the SD or on the internal flash? |
| 23:16.33 | Zorkman | edistar__: i want dual boot, i want to use 2007.2 or qtopia on the internal flash and the ASU on the SD |
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| 23:19.15 | edistar__ | Zorkman: okey, but you can still choose between kernel internal or on sd |
| 23:19.23 | jagernot | any idea when freerunner will be in stock in uk? |
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| 23:19.29 | Zorkman | what are the pro's/con's? or just tell me what is best :) |
| 23:19.38 | ajbrun | august |
| 23:19.38 | Zorkman | jagernot: contact truebox |
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| 23:19.38 | ajbrun | although mine's being sent on 28th of this month |
| 23:19.38 | ajbrun | get yourself on their list |
| 23:19.38 | edistar__ | Zorkman: I have a microSDHC, so I can only put the kernel on the internal flash |
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| 23:19.38 | edistar__ | Zorkman: why not try that ;) |
| 23:19.38 | edistar__ | it's not in the wiki |
| 23:19.38 | edistar__ | so: fun |
| 23:19.39 | ajbrun | i guess micro sd is the only card that works with the FR? |
| 23:19.39 | Zorkman | that's allright by me, but i guess i wil no longer be able to flash the 2007.2 image then? (because i would then also erase the kernel of my ASU) |
| 23:19.40 | Zorkman | ajbrun: micro SDHC also |
| 23:19.41 | jagernot | hmm i dont see any mailing list on truebox website.. |
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| 23:19.50 | jagernot | i have alink to them that i keep clicking in vain :( |
| 23:20.38 | edistar__ | Zorkman: http://nopaste.org/p/alXvWYfUx |
| 23:20.49 | edistar__ | Zorkman: no, you can just flash anything then |
| 23:21.01 | edistar__ | Zorkman: just update your kernel independently of the rootfs |
| 23:21.13 | edistar__ | Zorkman: ASU and gtk and qtopia use the same kernel |
| 23:21.30 | Zorkman | so wait, i just copyu paste the code you gave me? |
| 23:21.51 | edistar__ | Zorkman: no guarantee, but in principle yes |
| 23:21.58 | Yashy | In dialer, when I dial a number, it appears as though it's going to start and then goes back to the application menu instead of dialing |
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| 23:22.04 | Zorkman | -sh: syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 23:22.29 | edistar__ | Zorkman: where do you paste that? |
| 23:22.41 | Zorkman | in the terminal whe ni am logged in to my freerunner |
| 23:22.52 | edistar__ | Zorkman: you need to boot to uboot and then access the FR via console |
| 23:22.53 | Zorkman | (he is booted and running, not in NOR) |
| 23:22.54 | edistar__ | a la cu |
| 23:22.58 | Stroller | jagernot: just get in touch with them & ask about availability & they'll put you on their list |
| 23:23.29 | Stroller | jagernot: Oxford archaeology are a bit cheaper, but I don't know how serious they are |
| 23:23.33 | Zorkman | " a la cu"? |
| 23:23.44 | edistar__ | Stroller: they are serious:) I was there just yesterday |
| 23:23.52 | edistar__ | Zorkman: cu is a console emulator |
| 23:24.18 | edistar__ | or use minicom, or your emulator of choice! |
| 23:24.44 | edistar__ | Zorkman: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Uboot#Bootloader_prompt |
| 23:25.54 | Zorkman | edistar__: i tried apt-get install cu but get "E: Couldn't find package cu" |
| 23:26.01 | Zorkman | "yum install cu" also doesn't work |
| 23:26.11 | Sargun | My FR hasn't shipped today |
| 23:26.21 | edistar__ | Zorkman: do you have zum and apt-get installed on your machine? |
| 23:26.49 | Zorkman | i don't know zum... |
| 23:27.04 | edistar__ | Zorkman: I meant yum |
| 23:27.12 | Zorkman | yeah, yum works normally |
| 23:27.14 | edistar__ | Zorkman: stupid german keyboard -.- |
| 23:27.24 | Zorkman | apt-get i havent tried on this machine |
| 23:27.25 | edistar__ | Zorkman: what distro are you running? |
| 23:27.29 | Zorkman | fedora9 |
| 23:27.37 | edistar__ | do you have screen installed? |
| 23:27.41 | jagernot | stroller: thanks oxford archaeology? what is that |
| 23:27.51 | Zorkman | screen??? i guesss you don't mean a monitor? :) |
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| 23:28.06 | Stroller | jagernot: Ask edistar__ ! |
| 23:28.13 | edistar__ | Zorkman: yum install screen |
| 23:28.31 | chillywilly | gnu screen is a terminal multiplexer |
| 23:29.00 | edistar__ | Zorkman: got it? |
| 23:29.03 | Zorkman | jup |
| 23:29.08 | edistar__ | superb |
| 23:29.16 | edistar__ | now get into uboot mode please |
| 23:29.27 | Zorkman | done |
| 23:29.37 | Zorkman | (you mean NOR boot don't you?) |
| 23:29.46 | chillywilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.48 | Stroller | jagernot: When they posted their original announcement on -community I think they were talking about availability from a bath of 10 or something. Truebox may be able to cope better with current demand, but Oxford Arch are £30 cheaper |
| 23:29.49 | edistar__ | and then run screen /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 23:29.55 | Yashy | In dialer, when I dial a number, it appears as though it's going to start and then goes back to the application menu instead of dialing. I can't actually call anyone :( I am able to recieve calls. |
| 23:29.56 | edistar__ | maybe as root, I don't know about your system |
| 23:30.06 | Zorkman | ok it worked |
| 23:30.10 | edistar__ | Zorkman: okey |
| 23:30.15 | edistar__ | now input the commands |
| 23:30.31 | Tsingi | hmm, can I just download an updated binary GTK image and flash the phone? |
| 23:30.37 | edistar__ | Tsingi: yes |
| 23:30.39 | edistar__ | you should |
| 23:30.43 | edistar__ | if you want any updates |
| 23:30.48 | Zorkman | but i guess i better change it to GTA01Bv5 ? |
| 23:31.01 | jagernot | stroller: is there a link to the oxford arch site? |
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| 23:31.13 | Tsingi | edistar__ OK, I see that I can install libwebkit on my dev server, I think I'll start there. |
| 23:31.14 | Stroller | jagernot: search the -community list |
| 23:31.32 | edistar__ | Zorkman: please start pasting from setenv onwards |
| 23:32.00 | edistar__ | GTA01Bv5 # should be the prompt |
| 23:32.00 | Zorkman | in my current file there is no setenv |
| 23:32.12 | Zorkman | led 2 1 |
| 23:32.13 | edistar__ | Tsingi: okey |
| 23:32.16 | Zorkman | switching led 2 0 |
| 23:32.16 | Zorkman | ## Executing script at 18050100 |
| 23:32.16 | Zorkman | mtdparts mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00040000(u-boot_env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x00040000(factory),0x0f6a0000(rootfs) |
| 23:32.16 | Zorkman | DEVICE_CONFIGURED: 1 |
| 23:32.16 | Zorkman | READY. |
| 23:32.18 | Zorkman | GTA02v5 # |
| 23:32.31 | edistar__ | hm |
| 23:33.05 | edistar__ | Zorkman: what have you done so far? |
| 23:33.28 | Zorkman | i have just booted into nor and then typed screen /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 23:33.51 | jagernot | stoller: thanks |
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| 23:35.04 | edistar_1 | Zorkman: sry.. I'm typing in the dark, so sometimes I kill my terminal :/ |
| 23:35.11 | Zorkman | :) |
| 23:35.23 | edistar_1 | Zorkman: have to tried to run setenv? |
| 23:35.37 | Zorkman | i have not done anything exept run screen /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 23:35.43 | edistar_1 | okey.. |
| 23:35.49 | edistar_1 | is it still in nand boot? |
| 23:36.04 | Zorkman | it's in nor boot |
| 23:36.10 | Zorkman | that was probably the problem? |
| 23:36.17 | edistar_1 | first press power, then aux |
| 23:36.44 | Zorkman | ok now i'm in nand |
| 23:37.04 | Zorkman | screen command gives: |
| 23:37.05 | Zorkman | In: usbtty |
| 23:37.09 | Zorkman | Out: usbtty |
| 23:37.13 | Zorkman | Err: usbtty |
| 23:37.13 | Zorkman | PCB rev: 0x000 |
| 23:37.13 | Zorkman | Power: switching led 2 0 |
| 23:37.13 | Zorkman | switching led 2 1 |
| 23:37.13 | Zorkman | switching led 2 0 |
| 23:37.14 | Zorkman | GTA02v5 # DEVICE_CONFIGURED: 1 |
| 23:38.00 | edistar | okey |
| 23:38.02 | edistar | press enter |
| 23:38.18 | edistar | and then try the setenv command I gave you |
| 23:38.22 | edistar | then to a saveenv |
| 23:38.25 | edistar | and reboot into nand |
| 23:39.19 | Stroller | jagernot: this is their website - I can't find anything else right now, so suggest you email them http://thehumanjourney.net/ |
| 23:39.49 | Zorkman | edistar: sorry, i acceidently closed the terminal and now the command screen /dev/ttyACM0 doesn't work anymore |
| 23:40.07 | edistar | Zorkman: reboot the neo into nand |
| 23:40.22 | Zorkman | already done that.. |
| 23:40.23 | Zorkman | will do it again |
| 23:41.20 | Zorkman | first it says cannot acces line.... and then "sorry could not find a PTY" |
| 23:41.47 | edistar | Zorkman: what does a dmesg tell you? |
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| 23:42.08 | Zorkman | a whole lot of ine.. |
| 23:42.11 | Zorkman | info |
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| 23:42.26 | edistar | anything about a USB ACM device? |
| 23:42.55 | Zorkman | cdc_acm 3-1.2:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device |
| 23:43.14 | Zorkman | but dmesg also gives a lot of erros |
| 23:43.17 | Zorkman | *errors |
| 23:43.20 | edistar | oh |
| 23:43.28 | Zorkman | usb 3-1.1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 115 |
| 23:43.28 | Zorkman | usb 3-1.1: device not accepting address 115, error -71 |
| 23:43.28 | edistar | no idea what you have to for fedora |
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| 23:43.38 | edistar | then replug the usb cable ;) |
| 23:43.41 | Dave | I broke my freerunner :( |
| 23:43.48 | SpeedEvil | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 23:43.53 | edistar | sry, have to sleep now.. I'm completely exhausted.. |
| 23:43.54 | Dave | SpeedEvil, will you fix it for me? :) |
| 23:43.58 | Yashy | In dialer, when I dial a number, it appears as though it's going to start and then goes back to the application menu instead of dialing. I can't actually call anyone :( I am able to recieve calls. |
| 23:44.03 | edistar | Zorkman: good luck and see you soon |
| 23:44.05 | SpeedEvil | Dave: were you using it as part of a bola? |
| 23:44.12 | Zorkman | thanks edistar |
| 23:44.13 | Dave | haha, no :p |
| 23:44.17 | Dave | hey zorkman and edistar :) |
| 23:44.28 | Dave | speaking of which, I want to run doom and zork on it :P |
| 23:44.32 | Yashy | In dialer, when I dial a number, it appears as though it's going to start and then goes back to the application menu instead of dialing. I can't actually call anyone :( I am able to recieve calls. This was the case when I got it out the box, and even now after an update/upgrade |
| 23:44.38 | SpeedEvil | Dave: what'd you do to it? |
| 23:44.40 | Tsingi | edistar: night |
| 23:44.56 | Zorkman | hi DAve |
| 23:45.03 | Zorkman | goodnight edistar |
| 23:45.19 | Tsingi | SpeedEvil: I found a job, if it isn't already being done, I want to get webkit working. |
| 23:45.32 | SpeedEvil | Tsingi: a worthy thing to try. |
| 23:45.34 | Dave | :] |
| 23:45.51 | Tsingi | SpeedEvil: heh, that sounds ominous. |
| 23:45.56 | Zorkman | Tsingi: maybe it's best you send a mail to the community list, that way you'll know if someone has already done some work on it |
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| 23:46.11 | SpeedEvil | Tsingi: I can't really comment - I haven't done anything with teh browser on it. |
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| 23:46.24 | Tsingi | Zorkman: I just joined the webkit list, starting there |
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| 23:46.57 | SpeedEvil | Tsingi: though I've occasionally wondered why FF wouldn't work - I've had 1.5 running on a machine not much faster and the same RAM recently. |
| 23:47.23 | Tsingi | SpeedEvil: Zorkman: Webkit passes ACID3 on linux, that's fairly impressive. |
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| 23:47.40 | SpeedEvil | Tsingi: yup. |
| 23:50.08 | Zorkman | Tsingi: yeah, i've seen some info on webkit, it sounds very promissing if you would get it to work on the freerunner |
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| 23:50.52 | SpeedEvil | suspects Tsingi has motives that are not solely selfless :) |
| 23:51.03 | KrisAbsinthe | what is the webkit |
| 23:51.30 | SpeedEvil | Tsingi: what is the backend on that app? Would it run on FR, with only a data feed? |
| 23:51.32 | Tsingi | Zorkman: It's what I want to play with. I'll flash the phone for now and get webkit up and running on my server. When I'm familiar with it I'll start right in. |
| 23:51.37 | Tsingi | Cairo |
| 23:51.44 | sirkha | anyone ever seen the error "fork failed before execution: 'rm -fr /tmp/opkg-*****" |
| 23:51.45 | Zorkman | Tsingi: good luck! |
| 23:51.47 | sirkha | ? |
| 23:51.56 | sirkha | (and why are we trying to remove france (just kidding)) |
| 23:52.47 | Tsingi | SpeedEvil: It uses Cairo as a renderer, I'll just start by trying to get it to display an image from a file. |
| 23:53.01 | Tsingi | SpeedEvil: then worry about the web end. |
| 23:53.07 | SpeedEvil | Sensible. |
| 23:53.52 | Tsingi | I assume that Cairo is what I see when I see anything on the Freerunner. |
| 23:54.09 | Zorkman | how do i unmount a partition? |
| 23:54.17 | cjb | Tsingi: anything vector-graphic-y at least, on the 2007.2 build |
| 23:54.21 | Zorkman | unmount /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not work |
| 23:54.30 | cjb | Zorkman: you mean umount? |
| 23:54.34 | Elleo | any ideas how I can get the illume keyboard back after the latest upgrade? installing an older version of illume and illume-theme didn't do the trick |
| 23:54.46 | Elleo | what app actually manages the keyboard, is it illume itself or something else? |
| 23:54.49 | Tsingi | cjb oky |
| 23:54.51 | Yashy | Anyone else on Rogers not able to dial out from their phone? |
| 23:55.00 | Zorkman | grrr, i still need to learn so many things |
| 23:55.03 | Zorkman | thanks cjb |
| 23:55.26 | sirkha | Yashy, on the home screen does it say "Registering..." |
| 23:55.37 | Tsingi | Yashy: I just put my 3 year old Rogers simm in the phone I just got and made two calls. |
| 23:56.22 | *** join/#openmoko Gnutoo (n=gnutoo@host54-133-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 23:56.57 | *** part/#openmoko budfive (n=asdf@cpe-76-95-115-142.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:57.08 | Stroller | sirkha: might be worth emptying /tmp & trying again whatever you were doing https://dev.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/trac.fcgi/ticket/2702 |
| 23:57.44 | sirkha | tried, didn't work, Stroller |
| 23:58.48 | sirkha | also, more than half the time, i can't get the damn thing to register right (bug 666 on openmoko) cme error 32s but, sometimes it works just fine, its weird |
| 23:59.42 | BBishop | electronics should just work or not .. 1 or 0 |
