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| 00:03.37 | macdonalder | doc|home: how go things with ups? :D |
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| 00:13.03 | thewtex | Kernel panic |
| 00:13.12 | thewtex | at least it is really small and the screen |
| 00:13.27 | thewtex | :P |
| 00:13.38 | thewtex | on the screen |
| 00:14.02 | thewtex | confirms that you cannot boot from a microSDHC |
| 00:15.44 | thewtex | is there a way to power off from a a kernel panic without removing the battery? |
| 00:16.57 | balrog-k1n | afaik there isn't any that works on gta02 |
| 00:17.22 | balrog-k1n | there's something that was supposed to work in the kernel but it only works on gta01 for me (so far) |
| 00:20.03 | Psi | im just starting to learn linux GUI programming, should i go the GTK or QT way? |
| 00:22.01 | thewtex | Psi: good question for a flame war |
| 00:22.07 | Psi | heh |
| 00:22.14 | pantsd_ | any idea which software image I should use on my phone? |
| 00:22.16 | BBishop | try both and see which one you like |
| 00:22.53 | Psi | i started GTK but then i was reading that the freerunner is kinda moving away from it |
| 00:23.21 | thewtex | Psi: if you want to write for freerunner, qt is probably the way to go |
| 00:23.24 | BBishop | learn both then .. you could make your apps compatible ... |
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| 00:24.10 | niklauz | something i've been wondering about, for someone interested in python is there a way to make them work on either? |
| 00:24.12 | Psi | thewtex: what about the neo |
| 00:24.26 | Psi | would i only be able to run my qt apps in qtopia? |
| 00:26.35 | thewtex | Psi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 00:27.34 | Psi | looks |
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| 00:31.53 | balrog-k1n | Psi: yes, but qtopia is also not the final direction openmoko is going to support |
| 00:32.18 | Psi | hm.. |
| 00:32.21 | balrog-k1n | both qt and gtk apps will run though |
| 00:33.33 | lxuser | can i run openmoko on my iphone |
| 00:33.43 | goldenhawk | That would be really cool. |
| 00:33.50 | lxuser | on the 1st generation one |
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| 00:34.47 | goldenhawk | I wonder if there's any security in the iphone that really prevents you from tossing your own firmware on them, necessitating PSP style hacks in order to change its OS. |
| 00:34.52 | walrustown | has anybody had issues with the accelerometer on /dev/input/event3 sometimes not working? |
| 00:35.17 | sirkha | sooo, anyone here having problems getting to the trac login? (is that even supposed to be publicly accessible?) |
| 00:35.30 | CVirus | balrog-k1n: not possible ... we don't have drivers from the iPhone's closed hardware |
| 00:36.23 | Stroller | The security in the iphone that really prevents you from tossing your own software on there is ... |
| 00:36.27 | Stroller | what CVirus said |
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| 00:36.58 | Stroller | sirkha: I posted a bug on Trac this morning. You have to create a separate account from your wiki one |
| 00:37.24 | balrog-k1n | it might be possible to cross compile most of the apps for the iphone with its SDK although various things would require porting |
| 00:37.25 | sirkha | *did* i get an error when i try to access the login page |
| 00:37.31 | balrog-k1n | and you couldn't run X or Linux |
| 00:37.38 | sirkha | (not trying to login, but accessing the login page) |
| 00:38.13 | railer | long term qtopia or 2007.2? |
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| 00:38.53 | sirkha | nm, i just didn't realize what firefoxes new "unknown certificate" page looked like, thought it was an error |
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| 00:44.23 | niklauz | the gtk stack uses matchbox, what does the asu/fso stack use? |
| 00:44.28 | sirkha | anyone here know about the sim card problem that people are having? (bug 666 (funny that)) |
| 00:44.44 | niklauz | sirkha: lol |
| 00:45.15 | Stroller | You have Satan's SIM?!?!? |
| 00:46.23 | sirkha | heh, no, but i think it is satan's bug... i think the pins on some sim cards don't line up right, or its an electrical problem in some freerunners, or something, but sometimes i can register, and sometimes i can't... |
| 00:47.14 | carrar | sounds like the work of satan alright |
| 00:47.21 | sirkha | i have managed to import all my contacts, get wifi going and install some games, though, so i am not entirely displeased |
| 00:47.55 | sirkha | but like i said, i can only use the phone bit sometimes (not even most of the time, so far) |
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| 00:52.05 | Chocky | wiki bust |
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| 01:21.27 | thewtex | warning: today (7/20)'s kernel is not bootable |
| 01:21.40 | thewtex | does not even start |
| 01:21.49 | thewtex | at least on mine |
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| 01:23.15 | kdubois | will the ASU kill 2007.2 eventually? i'm still a bit confused by the roadmap |
| 01:23.20 | walrustown | Grrrr! why does neod open /dev/event2 and /dev/event3 ?? |
| 01:25.57 | jakob_ | does anyone have an idea why a python application which is started by the application menu can only be started once? |
| 01:26.25 | jakob_ | it it started and closed. But after that it can not be started again from the menu :) |
| 01:26.33 | jakob_ | s/:)/:(/ |
| 01:28.22 | Psi | does anyone know how far back ya have to go on http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ to get a working qtopia image? |
| 01:29.01 | jakob_ | quickstart |
| 01:29.09 | jakob_ | ohh sorry :) wrong window |
| 01:29.47 | Bish | my freerunner will arrive tomorrow :) |
| 01:30.01 | jakob_ | Bish: congratulations :) |
| 01:30.05 | Bish | thanks :) |
| 01:30.13 | Bish | im waitin for it sooo long :P |
| 01:30.17 | Psi | i should add "on gta01" to what i said |
| 01:30.59 | jakob_ | Psi: I am sorry I can't help you :) maybe anyone else is still awake ;) |
| 01:31.14 | Psi | heh |
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| 01:31.31 | Psi | ill just do it the hard way |
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| 01:31.58 | jakob_ | I don't get it why is this damn app only starting once :( |
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| 01:32.54 | thewtex | Psi: the qtopia image from qtopia.net is stable |
| 01:33.19 | Psi | tries it |
| 01:33.39 | thewtex | Psi: they have devel tutorials, a Virtual machine development environment |
| 01:33.48 | thewtex | Psi: looks real nice |
| 01:33.56 | Psi | sounds pretty good |
| 01:34.44 | thewtex | Psi: personally, regarding your previous gtk vs qt, question, I would go qt, because it has a very nice object-orientated organization, or so I hear |
| 01:34.46 | Psi | but how compaitble will the output code of the enviroment be with the future of the freerunner |
| 01:35.18 | thewtex | Psi: the future freerunner code will run qtopia too, so it should work just as well |
| 01:35.18 | Psi | thewtex: yeah, im going to go with qt |
| 01:35.26 | Psi | thats good |
| 01:37.20 | Psi | heh, i get a error page that the download can't be externally linked when i try grab the image from qtopia.net |
| 01:37.42 | thewtex | Psi: go directly to the qtopia.net page |
| 01:37.48 | Psi | yep, i am |
| 01:38.08 | Psi | thats whats so funny about the error |
| 01:38.30 | thewtex | http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/index.php here? |
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| 01:38.56 | Psi | i was here http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php |
| 01:39.17 | thewtex | hmm |
| 01:40.07 | Psi | your link is working fine |
| 01:40.47 | thewtex | good deal |
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| 01:46.10 | thewtex | the (7/21) kernel boots :) |
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| 01:47.01 | Psi | the ones i tried, booted fine but non of the buttons did anything |
| 01:47.29 | Psi | touchscreen ones i mean |
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| 01:47.46 | Psi | i was basicly stuck on the main screen |
| 01:47.57 | thewtex | hmm |
| 01:48.03 | thewtex | did you try MineHunt? |
| 01:48.13 | thewtex | that seems to be working |
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| 01:49.02 | thewtex | minehunt on a touchscreen is the way it was mean to be :) |
| 01:49.33 | niklauz | anyone know if there is any work on improving the security for the OM distro ie. not all root ? |
| 01:49.45 | Psi | na, i couldnt click any buttons to get there |
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| 01:50.16 | adsllc | Sounds secure to me! |
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| 01:50.40 | Chocky | woo, San Diego |
| 01:51.07 | zandini | Hello. I have a question about qemu with qtopia image. |
| 01:51.38 | thewtex | Psi: I did Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080721-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz uImage-2.6.24+git23+1d04b142ffeaa15129f046751f1366b0f0614f47-r0-om-gta02.bin |
| 01:51.45 | zandini | After the lcd backlight goes to 0/64, I can't seem to get it back to normal.. I have to stop the process and restart it. |
| 01:52.06 | Psi | i tried the latest one |
| 01:52.08 | zandini | Is there any way to get the backlight to run back on? |
| 01:52.18 | Psi | but i also tried maybe 2 others a week or so back |
| 01:52.23 | Psi | all did the same thing |
| 01:52.33 | CVirus | Why are there daily builds of the 2007.2 stack till now ? |
| 01:52.36 | thewtex | Psi: did you say you have a gta01? |
| 01:52.38 | Psi | i could press the 4 main buttons but they dont do anything |
| 01:52.41 | Psi | yes |
| 01:53.08 | thewtex | mm, I'm off a gta02 |
| 01:53.09 | Psi | about to try the qtopia.net image/kernel |
| 01:53.18 | thewtex | gl :) |
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| 01:54.48 | goldenhawk_ | Is there any way to set up a decent shell terminal with ASU? |
| 01:55.36 | thewtex | goldenhawk_: what do you mean? |
| 01:56.06 | goldenhawk_ | thewtex: http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions <-- This page says ASU doesn't have a terminal |
| 01:56.22 | goldenhawk_ | I'm considering switching my phone to ASU but I want to still be able to get a shell. |
| 01:56.24 | goldenhawk_ | On the phone. |
| 01:56.34 | thewtex | ah |
| 01:57.31 | goldenhawk_ | I guess there is no solution out there right now though? |
| 01:57.32 | zandini | also, where can I get the source code for the qtopia package? The gnu-eabi I downloaded only seem to have gtk+ related libs.. |
| 01:57.40 | Stroller | it must be possible to install one - surely the same one as is installed on 2007.2 would work |
| 01:58.05 | Stroller | You just need to know the package name. |
| 01:58.10 | sandman__ | niklauz: I'm working on porting SELinux as a GSoC project. That should atleast improve on securing the trusted code. |
| 01:58.12 | goldenhawk_ | Oh interesting :) |
| 01:58.28 | goldenhawk_ | openmoko-terminal2 |
| 01:58.30 | goldenhawk_ | Neat. |
| 01:58.41 | thewtex | goldenhawk_: is that it? |
| 01:58.45 | goldenhawk_ | Yep. |
| 01:59.23 | goldenhawk_ | Also I tried it once a little while ago and I was really unimpressed by the video performance :/ Is that just because it's early development stuff or am I doing something wrong? |
| 01:59.30 | goldenhawk_ | ASU that is. |
| 01:59.58 | thewtex | not sure |
| 02:00.10 | thewtex | I spent most of my short time in qtopia |
| 02:00.16 | thewtex | which is really snappy |
| 02:00.28 | thewtex | but they don't do x11 -- they use a framebuffer |
| 02:00.32 | CVirus | Why are there daily builds of the 2007.2 stack till now ? |
| 02:00.45 | thewtex | so probably |
| 02:01.08 | adsllc | I believe the FR QTopia is using X11 not a framebuffer |
| 02:01.18 | SpeedEvil | It is. |
| 02:01.18 | CVirus | true |
| 02:01.19 | adsllc | CVirus: I don't understand the question. |
| 02:01.26 | adsllc | Define "now" |
| 02:01.33 | CVirus | isn't the 2007.2 deprected in favor of AUS ? |
| 02:01.39 | SpeedEvil | rune: tried dropping back to b, and different frequencies/ |
| 02:01.41 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 02:01.46 | CVirus | ASU* |
| 02:01.57 | adsllc | As I understand it, nothing is deprecated - it's all running in parallel. |
| 02:01.58 | SpeedEvil | deprecated, but not droped |
| 02:02.23 | CVirus | ah not dropped yet you mean |
| 02:03.05 | CVirus | when will it be dropped ? |
| 02:03.32 | adsllc | Presumably when another line is better. |
| 02:06.42 | rivalarrival | loves tangogps |
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| 02:08.58 | pjz | is there a .tar.gz of the qtopia image? |
| 02:09.17 | Chocky | yes |
| 02:09.25 | aggtrfrad | hi, two very simple questions: on the next release(juky 25): is there gonna be a hardware fix for the gps delay to get first fix due to the sd-card problem? is the problem with bad soldering on the antenna connector going to be taken care of? |
| 02:09.35 | aggtrfrad | juky=july... |
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| 02:09.50 | Chocky | aggtrfrad: wouldn't count on it. |
| 02:10.08 | pjz | anyone got a pointer? the one off of Getting Started page says 'Qtopia is not on this rotfs. This rootfs is for developers wanting to compile qtopia' |
| 02:10.10 | SpeedEvil | aggtrfrad: that doesn't seem to be the problem. |
| 02:10.13 | adsllc | I think the bad antenna soldering was a red herring - I don't think hardly anybody was actually affected. |
| 02:10.15 | Chocky | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080721/ |
| 02:10.34 | adsllc | Anyone here have the GPS antenna soldering defect? |
| 02:10.50 | pjz | Chocky: woo, thanks much! |
| 02:10.57 | aggtrfrad | well its in the channel topic... :p |
| 02:11.35 | SpeedEvil | The fix seems to be the one on the page http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Shop:Speedevil |
| 02:11.35 | adsllc | Add it to the list of stale documentation. |
| 02:11.48 | Chocky | no, the actual fix is a capacitor over the SD connectors |
| 02:12.04 | Chocky | which can be done by anyone with surface mount soldering skills |
| 02:12.13 | SpeedEvil | And good eyesight :) |
| 02:12.21 | Chocky | and equipment, etc, etc, etc. |
| 02:12.52 | adsllc | Any ideas where to get the capacitor qty 1? |
| 02:12.58 | Chocky | yes |
| 02:13.12 | SpeedEvil | adsllc: yu can't install it with a normal soldering iron really. |
| 02:13.16 | Chocky | google shopping. I have an exact link, but not with me |
| 02:13.19 | pjz | what uImage should I use with qtopia? |
| 02:13.31 | adsllc | I have access to a decent soldering station. |
| 02:13.33 | SpeedEvil | adsllc: any electronics catalog firm. |
| 02:13.42 | SpeedEvil | adsllc: have you actually uses it? |
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| 02:13.46 | Chocky | SpeedEvil: if you want 4000 of them, yes |
| 02:13.49 | SpeedEvil | adsllc: the cap is 0.8*0.4mm or so |
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| 02:13.59 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: they sell 1s - well 10s too |
| 02:14.08 | Chocky | the link I found, yes :p |
| 02:14.11 | SpeedEvil | digikey.com mouser.com farnell.com |
| 02:14.13 | Chocky | $0.80 or ssomething |
| 02:14.17 | Chocky | digikey sell 4000 |
| 02:14.39 | thewtex | pjz: the qtopia image from qtopia.net comes packed as a tarball with rootfs+kernel |
| 02:16.00 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: Oh come on. |
| 02:16.31 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: the first page has 5 hits selling them in 10s. |
| 02:17.08 | Chocky | exact links on the wiki, ktb |
| 02:17.25 | Chocky | pats Speedbot |
| 02:20.03 | Chocky | hm, flash latest uboot. doesn't seem to help booting from ext3. |
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| 02:21.16 | adsllc | OK - I can order 1 from mouser for $0.07 - shipping is $6.75. Is anyone doing a group buy of these things so shipping is closer to $0.42? |
| 02:21.19 | Psi | thewtex: the qtopia.net image is working fine for me :) |
| 02:21.41 | thewtex | Psi: sweet :) |
| 02:21.47 | Chocky | I have a link at work where it was about $2.70 for 3 of them inc shipping |
| 02:21.48 | SpeedEvil | adsllc: check digikey too. |
| 02:22.05 | SpeedEvil | adsllc: I'm not sure of their shipping prices to the US |
| 02:22.38 | thewtex | Chocky: uboot can boot from ext3 without upgrade -- if you want to boot from ext2 you need a recent kernel |
| 02:23.07 | Chocky | has ext3 and today's kernel |
| 02:23.36 | Chocky | but it uboot doesn't find it. |
| 02:23.41 | Chocky | put it in root and in /boot |
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| 02:24.59 | Chocky | "bad header checksum" |
| 02:25.41 | mmontour | Chocky: if your u-boot had 'svnr4297' in its filename then it's built from an old source tree |
| 02:26.01 | Chocky | it's not. It's also from today |
| 02:26.28 | Chocky | or indeed, tomorrow ;-) Says July 21 |
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| 02:28.59 | mmontour | Chocky: so no 'svnr4297' in the filename you downloaded? Or did you build it yourself? |
| 02:29.04 | Chocky | sigh |
| 02:29.10 | Chocky | I got it from the daily |
| 02:29.15 | Chocky | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080721/ |
| 02:29.19 | Chocky | give me some credit |
| 02:29.34 | stephelton | why the hell does qtopia.net maximize my browser? this is intollerable. |
| 02:30.08 | thewtex | pjz: did you find a tar.gz of the qtopia.net? |
| 02:30.16 | thewtex | pjz: of the rootfs? |
| 02:30.31 | Chocky | same link |
| 02:30.40 | mmontour | Those u-boot images are still using the old tree. |
| 02:30.42 | carrar | So is it safe to load in the two files at: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ |
| 02:30.42 | carrar | ? |
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| 02:31.06 | Chocky | I see. well, I _have_ just built it too. I can use that. |
| 02:31.35 | thewtex | how would I mount a jffs2 on my desktop, or does that not make sense? |
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| 02:32.30 | carrar | Do I need to update uboot to load the current kernel? |
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| 02:32.52 | mmontour | If you used the default bitbake recipe then it will have the same problem as the buildhost ones (there's a thread about this on the devel list) |
| 02:32.52 | thewtex | carrar: no |
| 02:32.59 | Chocky | I see. |
| 02:33.08 | Chocky | is there a prebuilt uboot somewhere, then? |
| 02:33.23 | peepsalot | what causes resolv.conf to be overwritten all the time? |
| 02:33.28 | Chocky | dhcp |
| 02:33.53 | Chocky | but you'll have to be clearer than "all the time" |
| 02:33.54 | peepsalot | it's annoying i have to keep editing it to get USB networking going |
| 02:34.04 | peepsalot | i add 192.168.1.1, then later it's gone |
| 02:34.17 | mmontour | I could build + upload one. The buildhost ones should get sorted out in a couple of days. |
| 02:34.43 | Chocky | looks at dev list. |
| 02:35.44 | Marcel_M | peepsalot: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:37.22 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r05e9b428da8a 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/factory.py: |
| 02:37.22 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Try to claim original Gypsy busname org.freedesktop.Gypsy |
| 02:37.22 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: With this ogpsd works with the standard gypsy libraries. |
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| 02:38.35 | peepsalot | thanks, i think i've got it set well enough now |
| 02:38.47 | Marcel_M | np |
| 02:38.47 | carrar | I don't need to his the aux button while the image is loading so it doesn't turn off do I? |
| 02:38.58 | SpeedEvil | no - not whil it's loading |
| 02:39.05 | SpeedEvil | only if you're idle at a prompt |
| 02:39.16 | SpeedEvil | Or not logged in to uboot |
| 02:40.29 | carrar | waits in suspence |
| 02:40.39 | carrar | downloading..... |
| 02:41.40 | SirBob1701 | is the gps kernel update up yet? |
| 02:41.48 | stephelton | is downloading one of the images found at http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/ going to get me anything other than uboot that an opkg upgrade will not? |
| 02:41.51 | SirBob1701 | sorry little behind this week |
| 02:42.21 | carrar | So in the flashing_openmoko it says: |
| 02:42.22 | carrar | "Notice that it's not normally necessary to update the modules anymore. It's just for people with special needs." |
| 02:42.24 | carrar | then below it |
| 02:42.29 | carrar | it says you need to load modules |
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| 02:45.49 | mmontour | Chocky: If you want, you can try this image that I just built - http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.2rc2%2bgitba029a1426bfca169572bf80d50a8b190a6b0e19-r1.bin |
| 02:45.56 | chillywilly | bleh, the battery life on the freerunner is not so great\ |
| 02:46.14 | SirBob1701 | power managment isn't really implement alot right now thats why |
| 02:46.16 | Chocky | ta. seeing if I can build it now |
| 02:46.34 | chillywilly | SirBob1701: well I thought it would be better with qtopia |
| 02:46.48 | chillywilly | but I guess it's a kernel thing? |
| 02:47.09 | SirBob1701 | ya ita a matter of turing crap off when not in use |
| 02:47.18 | carrar | like... everything |
| 02:47.26 | carrar | including the phone ;) |
| 02:47.32 | chillywilly | :-/ |
| 02:47.37 | SirBob1701 | lol no |
| 02:47.45 | chillywilly | I don't leave a bunch of apps running or anything |
| 02:47.56 | SirBob1701 | someone said they got 21 hours on fso with poewr managment |
| 02:48.52 | chillywilly | well that's nice but there's not much that is functional with FSO |
| 02:49.01 | chillywilly | there's not much functional with the other stacks either ;P |
| 02:49.25 | chillywilly | I haven't tried FSO yet... |
| 02:49.45 | carrar | w00t! |
| 02:50.16 | carrar | booting so far |
| 02:50.16 | SirBob1701 | i'm running asu |
| 02:50.18 | SirBob1701 | looking for the image with the gps update so i can flash that in. don't know where it is by chance do you? |
| 02:50.19 | chillywilly | well when I get a mutli-part SMS message the pieces are not grouped together nice |
| 02:50.31 | chillywilly | and we use nagios at work for paging and I have it going to my SMS address |
| 02:50.42 | rivalarrival | I'm having all kinds of problems with SMS. |
| 02:51.05 | carrar | Yobuy just a gsm at type device to send SMS messages |
| 02:51.09 | chillywilly | I want to dual boot this thing so that I can run qtopia when I actually want to use my phone |
| 02:51.18 | carrar | connect it via serial |
| 02:51.18 | chillywilly | just need more time to setup things |
| 02:51.28 | adsllc | Anyone know how to change the background/desktop image? I can't figure out why they put a b/w image on this sweet LCD! |
| 02:53.30 | chipr | adsllc - go to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2 and search for "wallpaper" |
| 02:53.42 | peepsalot | when i boot i see two progress screens, one with the picture of boots, then the openmoko orange and black. is it supposed to show both, or should it just be one or the other? |
| 02:54.00 | rivalarrival | Is there an english howto for booting from the SD card? |
| 02:54.02 | peepsalot | it just seems a bit strange |
| 02:54.28 | rivalarrival | peepsalot: That's typical behavior. |
| 02:54.38 | chillywilly | qhat is the package for the splash screen as when I boot thing into the qtopia image it just complains there is no splash-write applet or some such thing |
| 02:55.04 | adsllc | chipr: thanks! |
| 02:55.33 | chillywilly | what* |
| 02:55.39 | peepsalot | rivalarrival, there is a page on the wiki with instructions for this, i can't remember the exact page name though |
| 02:56.07 | rivalarrival | peepsalot: Yeah, I've seen a couple for other languages that I haven't learned. :) |
| 02:56.20 | peepsalot | i was able to get it to boot from it. mostly you just format the microsd to have at least two partitions, the first is for kernel, and the second for the rootfs |
| 02:56.25 | stephelton | is there an app for taking notes...? |
| 02:56.30 | SirBob1701 | anyone know how to set the gtk theme on these things? |
| 02:56.46 | peepsalot | doing this way you don't even have to edit the uboot options |
| 02:57.00 | rivalarrival | Wait... Found it. |
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| 02:59.44 | peepsalot | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
| 03:00.39 | peepsalot | can't wait for my 8gb microsd to come in. they are mega cheap on amazon at the moment, with included usb reader |
| 03:00.47 | peepsalot | for like 36 USD |
| 03:01.02 | SirBob1701 | wow that is cheap |
| 03:01.05 | SirBob1701 | got a link? |
| 03:02.28 | doc|home | brand? |
| 03:02.33 | doc|home | ACME |
| 03:02.41 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 03:03.04 | carrar | the latest image is also barebones |
| 03:03.06 | carrar | ? |
| 03:03.11 | carrar | need to reinstall everything? |
| 03:03.21 | carrar | like the nice clock thing |
| 03:03.39 | carrar | right? |
| 03:03.57 | carrar | bueller, bueller, bueller |
| 03:04.01 | carrar | heh |
| 03:04.49 | peepsalot | SirBob1701, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WPDKRI |
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| 03:06.42 | peepsalot | yeah i got some no-name brand 8gb microsd at fry's for $70, which did not include it's own usb adapter, and my old card reader for my desktop didn't even recognize it. So that got promptly returned. |
| 03:06.49 | SirBob1701 | is there an easy way to search the lists? i'm looking for how to set up the gtk theme in asu |
| 03:06.51 | Chocky | its, thanks |
| 03:07.26 | peepsalot | doc|home, sandisk :-) |
| 03:07.28 | olejorgenb | Anyone using freerunner as their day-to-day phone? |
| 03:08.07 | olejorgenb | I really want one, but seeing some videos, the interface seems kinda imature (atm) |
| 03:08.09 | pjz | is trying, but it's... difficult |
| 03:08.19 | SirBob1701 | olejorgenb: i am |
| 03:08.26 | pjz | yeah, the inteface is crap, the functionality is a bit hit or miss |
| 03:08.36 | pjz | SirBob1701: what distro are you using ? |
| 03:08.43 | SirBob1701 | ASU |
| 03:08.55 | pjz | should try that. |
| 03:09.00 | olejorgenb | and it's running X, right? |
| 03:09.06 | SirBob1701 | yup |
| 03:09.08 | olejorgenb | isn't that very heavy? |
| 03:09.13 | SirBob1701 | its not bad |
| 03:09.17 | pjz | I'm using 2007.2 + opkg upgrades |
| 03:09.22 | SirBob1701 | i think its alot faster then 2007.2 |
| 03:09.31 | Chocky | sighs at the terrible grammar here. |
| 03:09.35 | Chocky | "alot" is not a word. |
| 03:09.37 | carrar | wha |
| 03:09.51 | SirBob1701 | do i care if its a word? :P |
| 03:09.54 | RickX | anyone know if we'll be able to sync with evolution, or KDE's PIM in the near future? |
| 03:10.03 | Chocky | you might care about clear communication, ktb. |
| 03:10.08 | pjz | Chocky: realtime chat ,you've got to accept some colloquialism |
| 03:10.23 | Chocky | pjz: I accept plenty, thanks for you concern. |
| 03:10.27 | SirBob1701 | i gotta get qemu working so i can start working on imports for evolution and thunderbird |
| 03:10.58 | doc|home | peepsalot: :) |
| 03:11.00 | carrar | why does installing the packages break the bootup indicator bar in the graphic? |
| 03:11.02 | olejorgenb | and how is the touchscreen, is it responsive? |
| 03:11.09 | carrar | progress bar |
| 03:11.14 | olejorgenb | (I found suprisingly few reviews) |
| 03:11.36 | chillywilly | how is the SHR coming along? |
| 03:11.37 | SirBob1701 | ya it is gotta wait like 30 seconds after boot for applications to work but after that double tap and bam it launches |
| 03:12.03 | olejorgenb | I |
| 03:12.26 | olejorgenb | I'd also whish they included some more keys on the outside |
| 03:13.00 | olejorgenb | (uhm, yeah, my grammar is bad) |
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| 03:13.23 | Chocky | "wrong image format for bootm command". hm. |
| 03:13.44 | SirBob1701 | lookging for a program to setup gtk theme in asu |
| 03:14.05 | chillywilly | I think zsnes needs to be ported ;) |
| 03:14.18 | chillywilly | there goes my battery again |
| 03:14.20 | chillywilly | ;P |
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| 03:18.42 | SirBob1701 | huh the uboot update actually added a button to asu that allows you to bring up its keyboard if it hides without haveing to switcho ut and back in to applications |
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| 03:20.50 | SirBob1701 | i have gtk apps working in the asu including the terminal just got to get the theme up so its not ugly as crap ola |
| 03:22.11 | SirBob1701 | gps isn't working though hmm |
| 03:23.03 | carrar | How do I verify while logged in what image release I am running |
| 03:23.38 | kd8ikt | reason kobo shows in applications is "/usr/share/applications/kobodeluxe.desktop" says Categories=Games when it should be "game" |
| 03:25.52 | pjz | what's the package name of the terminal app for ASU? or is there not one? |
| 03:26.13 | SirBob1701 | theres not one. i have the openmoko-terminal2 installed |
| 03:26.27 | SirBob1701 | had to make a custom .desktop file for it but i can pastebin it if you want |
| 03:28.19 | pjz | SirBob1701: only if you tell me what to do with the .desktop file too :) |
| 03:28.44 | SirBob1701 | lol just paste it in the existing openmoko-terminal2.desktop file in /usr/share/applications |
| 03:28.55 | SirBob1701 | make sure to delete whats there first though |
| 03:29.55 | SirBob1701 | its /usr/share/applications/openmoko-terminal.desktop lol not terminal2. though package is named that |
| 03:31.11 | SirBob1701 | oh in asu don't use the speakerphone lol |
| 03:31.53 | pjz | I'll have to make mine manage to register before I worry about that :) |
| 03:32.03 | SirBob1701 | lol |
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| 03:32.12 | peepsalot | does anyone know where the gps data is stored? the data that makes it not require a "cold start" every time? |
| 03:32.19 | SirBob1701 | it doesn't show status of gregistering |
| 03:32.22 | pjz | even with 2007.2 it only seems to register once it's been rebooted twice |
| 03:32.40 | pjz | SirBob1701: yeah, that's a bit annoying :) |
| 03:32.52 | SirBob1701 | ya pjz what iamge are you using? |
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| 03:33.10 | adsllc | peepsalot: It's not. |
| 03:33.21 | pjz | SirBob1701: today's ASU, though I thought it was qtopia :) |
| 03:33.44 | peepsalot | adsllc, so every time you boot, that counts as a cold start? |
| 03:33.53 | adsllc | peepsalot: yup |
| 03:34.19 | adsllc | The hardware is capable, there's just no software to drive it yet. |
| 03:34.20 | peepsalot | ok, that's what I was thinking, but some people seemed to be telling me otherwise |
| 03:34.31 | SirBob1701 | pjz: lol. besides registering does it seem to work? |
| 03:34.43 | pjz | SirBob1701: yah, what I've seen of it |
| 03:34.43 | chillywilly | speakerphone doesn't work in qtopia proper either |
| 03:34.55 | chillywilly | just whines with a real high pitch |
| 03:34.59 | pjz | SirBob1701: I played some minesweeper :) |
| 03:35.13 | kd8ikt | like the game net |
| 03:35.16 | SirBob1701 | i might flash up to it tommorrow cause im on july15th image right now |
| 03:35.29 | SirBob1701 | and upgrade is giving me a libefreet0 error |
| 03:35.51 | pjz | oh, I'm even running it off of an SD card right now |
| 03:36.08 | SirBob1701 | oo |
| 03:36.12 | SirBob1701 | does it make it slower? |
| 03:36.27 | pjz | I dunno, I haven't seen it run execpt off of SD :) |
| 03:36.34 | pjz | 2007.2 is in flash |
| 03:36.37 | SirBob1701 | haha oh |
| 03:36.48 | carrar | Should I be flashing something other then from April in http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/???? |
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| 03:36.55 | pjz | ie. I haven't reflashed, I just partitioned up an SD card |
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| 03:37.08 | SirBob1701 | pjz: http://pastebin.ca/1078070 |
| 03:38.55 | pjz | SirBob1701: okay, so with ASU what's the diff between reflashing and just doing opkg update && opkg upgrade ? |
| 03:40.24 | SirBob1701 | honestly i'm not sure. i think the upgrade does work. it looks like kernel updates do add features to it though so i'm kinda confused by that |
| 03:40.35 | SirBob1701 | unless i'm mind fucking myself |
| 03:41.57 | peepsalot | should it be ok to have multiple simultaneousssh sessions into openmoko? |
| 03:42.27 | SirBob1701 | ya i do it alot |
| 03:43.04 | peepsalot | ok, cause gftp was acting funny for a while there. i had it connected over usb, using ssh protocol and it got disconnected somehow |
| 03:43.17 | SirBob1701 | oo |
| 03:43.35 | peepsalot | makes a nice file browser though |
| 03:44.41 | peepsalot | i had an ssh terminal session open, and i closed that and restarted gftp, and it seemed to work fine. not sure if it was coincidence, or if the second session caused a problem somehow |
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| 03:45.32 | SirBob1701 | hmm |
| 03:45.35 | Hobart | Anyone seen "wrong image format for bootm" ? |
| 03:46.45 | ChandleWEi | How to set fonts? |
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| 03:48.29 | lollydays | does anyone else get a ton of noise? can i get someone's gsmhandset.state file to try |
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| 03:48.44 | mmontour | Hobart: in u-boot? Maybe the previous ext2load or fatloca |
| 03:49.00 | mmontour | bah, damn olpc keyboard |
| 03:49.29 | Yasumoto | does anyone happen to remember how to restart the x-server? |
| 03:49.39 | mmontour | ... or fatload failed. Try running those commands manually from the u-boot console |
| 03:50.01 | SirBob1701 | Yasumoto: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart |
| 03:50.03 | Hobart | mmontour -> yeah. Just tried using dfu-util to put in the latest uboot / image ( Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080721-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 / uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin ) |
| 03:50.06 | Yasumoto | jk, it's /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart in case anyone wants to know |
| 03:50.12 | Yasumoto | ah, thanks SirBob1701 :) |
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| 03:50.24 | SirBob1701 | anyone know how to change the gtk theme in ASU? |
| 03:50.26 | Yasumoto | (I recalled /etc/init.d and it was easy from there) |
| 03:51.26 | mmontour | Hobart: did you flash the u-boot image to the kernel partition? |
| 03:52.56 | lollydays | i messed with gsmhandset.state and now it's f'ed up. does anyone know where I could get the default file? |
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| 03:53.20 | Hobart | mmontour -> yes |
| 03:53.51 | mmontour | Ah, that would do it. You want a "uImage" for the kernel. "u-boot" is the bootloader (equivalent of PC BIOS + grub) |
| 03:54.46 | pjz | anyone know to how get the contacts stuff to read *all* the contacts off the SIM card? |
| 03:54.54 | Hobart | mmontour -> Hrm... but the Openmoko-blahblah.jffs2 to rootfs is correct, just uboot-....bin -> kernel is wrong? |
| 03:55.31 | mmontour | jffs2 to rootfs is correct. Just flash a uImage to the kernel partition and you should be OK. |
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| 03:57.43 | Hobart | okeydoke. Should the uboot have gone to another partition? |
| 03:58.10 | pjz | anyone know why pressing '0' on the keybaord in asu gets me } instead? |
| 03:58.12 | peepsalot | the devel list archives seem to only show a week. has it really only been around that long? |
| 03:58.17 | pjz | and more imporantly, how to fix? |
| 03:58.32 | pjz | peepsalot: I think it was renamed from a diferent couple of lists |
| 03:58.42 | Hobart | ah, looks like u-boot |
| 03:58.55 | peepsalot | pjz, was the archive of the old list name lost? |
| 03:59.20 | pjz | peepsalot: no idea. I'd guess not. |
| 03:59.37 | SirBob1701 | pjz: works for me... |
| 03:59.40 | peepsalot | was it changed from openmoko-devel to just devel ? seems like I heard someone talking about openmoko-devel list, but that doesn't seem to exist |
| 03:59.50 | Hobart | mmontour -> thank you! |
| 04:00.03 | SirBob1701 | pjz: can you see if diversity locks for you? |
| 04:00.09 | SirBob1701 | don't install gpsd lol |
| 04:00.13 | SirBob1701 | i want to see if it locks without it |
| 04:00.27 | mmontour | peepsalot: the lists were re-arranged recently. You can access some of the older ones through www.gmane.org (not sure if they're still available on lists.openmoko.org) |
| 04:01.18 | lollydays | anyone else try to up the value for mic2 and as a result get a lot of noise in the speaker? |
| 04:01.34 | SirBob1701 | nm don't install agps or tanggps on asu it screws it up |
| 04:01.35 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 04:01.38 | SirBob1701 | night all |
| 04:02.31 | peepsalot | mmontour, i've never used gmane before. don't understand how it works. looks like newsgroup names |
| 04:04.46 | mmontour | It's a gateway that allows you to access mailing lists through NNTP or through a web-based interface |
| 04:05.21 | mmontour | Navigate down to gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.* and you'll see the OM lists (although some of them have different names) |
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| 04:11.55 | kd8ikt | how does one go about adhoc wifi (i've never mest with it before) |
| 04:14.45 | kd8ikt | oh guess the AR6 needs to be able to go into master mode (and it cant) |
| 04:15.07 | kd8ikt | guess what (i like using brackets) |
| 04:15.10 | carrar | whats a good recent image I can be running on my phone? |
| 04:15.19 | kd8ikt | newest? |
| 04:15.24 | carrar | newest that works |
| 04:15.43 | kd8ikt | FR or 1973 |
| 04:15.52 | carrar | thats from April |
| 04:15.55 | pjz | What's 'Exposure' ? |
| 04:15.59 | carrar | this month would be nice |
| 04:16.06 | carrar | FR |
| 04:16.08 | carrar | sorry |
| 04:16.24 | kd8ikt | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ |
| 04:16.46 | carrar | 20080721 doesn't break? |
| 04:17.26 | carrar | which are the files I need to dfu? |
| 04:17.29 | carrar | so many in there |
| 04:17.39 | carrar | Mine is a GTA02BV5 |
| 04:17.44 | kd8ikt | :p i'm always a day behind |
| 04:18.06 | kd8ikt | just flashed 20 like 4hrs ago |
| 04:18.11 | carrar | there is dev, qtopia, lowlevel |
| 04:18.23 | carrar | hrmm |
| 04:19.15 | kd8ikt | Uimage-latest (kernel/initrd) and the *.jffs images (rootfs's) |
| 04:19.59 | carrar | Whats the difference between the two Uimage filesin that dir? |
| 04:20.28 | carrar | and there is also two *.jffs2 files also |
| 04:20.51 | carrar | well I guess mroe then 2, 4 |
| 04:22.00 | carrar | kd8ikt? |
| 04:22.02 | kd8ikt | anyone active on the moko git repo? |
| 04:22.06 | kd8ikt | what |
| 04:22.09 | carrar | see above |
| 04:22.22 | carrar | there is like 4 jffs files in there |
| 04:22.28 | carrar | and 2 uImage |
| 04:22.30 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 04:22.31 | carrar | which do I want? |
| 04:22.42 | kd8ikt | get the latest uimage |
| 04:22.52 | carrar | they both have the same date |
| 04:23.07 | kd8ikt | uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
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| 04:23.18 | carrar | and the jffs file? |
| 04:23.32 | carrar | somewhat confusing |
| 04:23.35 | kd8ikt | openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 04:23.40 | carrar | Thanks |
| 04:23.43 | kd8ikt | you dont have to flash it |
| 04:23.48 | carrar | no? |
| 04:23.55 | carrar | easier way? |
| 04:24.02 | kd8ikt | for what |
| 04:24.16 | carrar | <kd8ikt> you dont have to flash it |
| 04:24.33 | kd8ikt | ugh |
| 04:28.11 | peepsalot | is grabbing an image from the buildhost effectively any different than doing opkg update && opkg upgrade everyday? |
| 04:28.51 | kd8ikt | dont think the kernel gets updated via opkg |
| 04:29.08 | peepsalot | last upgrade i did, i saw some message about updating the kernel |
| 04:29.24 | peepsalot | pretty sure it can |
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| 04:35.11 | carrar | well I don't see any instructions for putting a new kernel on without using dfu |
| 04:36.55 | SpeedEvil | I've done it once wiht dd |
| 04:37.25 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 04:37.32 | SpeedEvil | just dd the kernel image to the right flash partition. |
| 04:37.40 | carrar | There a page that goes over that? |
| 04:37.54 | peepsalot | carrar, do "opkg list_installed | grep kernel" at the top are three suspicious packages |
| 04:38.15 | peepsalot | kernel, kernel-2.6.24, and kernel-image-2.6.24 |
| 04:38.18 | SpeedEvil | carrar: no |
| 04:38.34 | carrar | kernel-image-2.6.24 - 1:2.6.24+git20080424-r0 - |
| 04:38.59 | peepsalot | looks like a kernel image to me, but I don't know a whole lot about what opkg is doing |
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| 04:39.28 | carrar | Well I just finaly was able to flash it after installing a ubuntu machine here |
| 04:39.55 | carrar | didn't know I could updated the kernel without flashing per above |
| 04:40.27 | carrar | without any sort of documentation it's hard to know wtf I'm doing :) |
| 04:40.46 | peepsalot | i guess the first two (kernel, and kernel-2.6.24 are psuedo packages that just depend on kernel-image-2.6.24?) |
| 04:41.27 | carrar | yeah I flashed the April release ealier today |
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| 04:56.11 | chillywilly | does anyone know how voicemail notifications are normally done by providers? |
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| 04:57.24 | doc|home | chillywilly: sms for me |
| 04:57.34 | chillywilly | doc|home: you have it working? |
| 04:57.54 | doc|home | nope, have barely played with mine at all besides flashing it twice |
| 04:58.01 | chillywilly | doc|home: what are you running on your freerunner? |
| 04:58.17 | doc|home | chillywilly: last I tried was ASU. I wouldn't recommend it. still looking about now. |
| 04:58.37 | ChandleWEi | how to set clock position to the top right ? |
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| 04:59.18 | chillywilly | doc|home: well the quick n' di5Crty thing is to run qtopia proper if you actually want to use your phone, IMHO ;) But that takes all the hacking fun out of it |
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| 04:59.55 | chillywilly | kicks his openwrt around some |
| 05:02.47 | doc|home | chillywilly: hehe |
| 05:03.08 | ljp | you can still hack on qtopia |
| 05:03.35 | chillywilly | there's a lot less docs I found for that ;P |
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| 05:06.31 | macdonalder | doc|home: how goes the battle with ups? |
| 05:06.54 | doc|home | macdonalder: no response from openmoko so need to ring ups on monday again |
| 05:07.34 | kd8ikt | that sux |
| 05:07.34 | macdonalder | what a pain... |
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| 05:10.38 | kd8ikt | GPS time sync |
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| 05:30.10 | kd8ikt | is the only person in USA awake |
| 05:30.45 | carrar | nope! |
| 05:31.27 | kd8ikt | just got finished editing all my /usr/share/applications/*.desktop files |
| 05:31.35 | thewtex | is sleeping |
| 05:31.38 | carrar | I'm flashing that image |
| 05:31.45 | carrar | since I don't know any other way |
| 05:32.05 | kd8ikt | i think sleep/suspend is working on mine sofar |
| 05:32.23 | carrar | mine died in the middle of the night last night while I was sleeping |
| 05:32.32 | carrar | I didn't even get to say goodbye |
| 05:32.58 | kd8ikt | dunno if calls will awaken it from suspend or not |
| 05:33.16 | nullpuppy | kd8ikt: i'm in teh USA and awake |
| 05:33.16 | carrar | it was out of battery life |
| 05:33.46 | pantsd_ | what format is the +CTZV in? I'm at GMT-8 and I get back 138 |
| 05:34.34 | kd8ikt | someone want to call my phone see if it wakes up from suspend? |
| 05:34.35 | pantsd_ | kd8ikt: are you in north america? |
| 05:34.40 | kd8ikt | Cinci Ohio |
| 05:34.43 | pantsd_ | sure |
| 05:34.45 | pantsd_ | whats your #? |
| 05:34.50 | kd8ikt | i get free long distance at this hour |
| 05:34.51 | kd8ikt | 513 476 nine six nine four |
| 05:35.06 | carrar | haha |
| 05:35.12 | kd8ikt | doesnt think it will wake up |
| 05:35.32 | pantsd_ | dialing |
| 05:35.42 | pantsd_ | ringing |
| 05:35.51 | carrar | has anyone install the astersk package on their phone? Can it interface into the gsm module? |
| 05:36.15 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 05:36.21 | pantsd_ | dude |
| 05:36.22 | carrar | like a zap_openmoko |
| 05:36.26 | kd8ikt | it worked |
| 05:36.32 | pantsd_ | winsauce |
| 05:36.51 | kd8ikt | i wont touch if for like an hour and try again |
| 05:37.23 | kd8ikt | i was mad earlier when i was out |
| 05:37.32 | kd8ikt | iwlist scan wasnt working |
| 05:38.00 | kd8ikt | resource unavailable or some junk |
| 05:38.09 | kd8ikt | even after a cold reboot |
| 05:39.47 | kd8ikt | carrar: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokoiax/ |
| 05:40.04 | kd8ikt | why run asterisk on it when you could just be an asterisk client? |
| 05:41.18 | kd8ikt | <work in progress> |
| 05:41.34 | kd8ikt | but i still think its better then having asterisk on the phone |
| 05:44.32 | carrar | no finished client app? |
| 05:45.06 | carrar | nice, boote up on 20080721 release |
| 05:45.10 | carrar | booted |
| 05:45.36 | carrar | nice to not have to load all those packages, just part of the system |
| 05:52.05 | Yasumoto | iwlist scanning is probably one of the coolest commands I've never heard of |
| 05:52.14 | Yasumoto | talk about making my life a million times easier |
| 05:52.28 | Yasumoto | (before, I'd have to open up my laptop to get the essid name to connect to) |
| 05:52.59 | carrar | doh! |
| 05:53.02 | carrar | killed x |
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| 05:58.32 | beni_ | im glad the GPS issue is fixed now |
| 05:58.38 | beni_ | but what means "out of stock"? |
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| 06:02.45 | trix | beni_, is it? |
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| 06:20.03 | tenzind | hi .. what mediaplayers can i run on Freerunner? |
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| 06:26.25 | kd8ikt | opkg list |grep mediaplayer |
| 06:29.11 | rivalarrival | How's it going, OM land? |
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| 06:30.41 | rivalarrival | 'Lo |
| 06:31.07 | methril | morning |
| 06:31.21 | rivalarrival | Morning, Methril! |
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| 06:38.36 | railer | Hey question anyone even make a phone call, it shows it's making a phone call but no dial tone, so you close the phone app, then a minute later the call goes through? |
| 06:41.09 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 06:41.16 | railer | hey |
| 06:43.08 | beni_ | trix: look at the topic |
| 06:43.13 | beni_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.30 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 06:43.35 | kd8ikt | has one |
| 06:43.42 | beni_ | but that only means that currently there are no devices left, but additional ones will be produced, right? |
| 06:43.49 | beni_ | mine is on the way also |
| 06:43.49 | kd8ikt | i'll sell it to you for 600$ |
| 06:43.52 | carrar | finally got tangogps workin |
| 06:43.53 | beni_ | :D |
| 06:43.54 | carrar | thats nice |
| 06:44.04 | railer | how many did they make? |
| 06:44.42 | kd8ikt | enough to pay the bills |
| 06:45.54 | railer | any time you run out of stock in the first WEEK of the item going on sale, my guess is do really didn't know your consumer base |
| 06:46.46 | kd8ikt | aphopper failed to build :( |
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| 06:47.24 | kd8ikt | anyone a super shell scripter? |
| 06:47.47 | BlackFog | 'morning |
| 06:48.18 | kd8ikt | was tossing around the idea of a script that iwlist scans (finds openAP's) try;s to connect, if ping works every say.. min or so stay, if not repeat |
| 06:48.25 | carrar | I write my fair share of bash scripts and init scripts |
| 06:48.42 | opendeep | ls |
| 06:48.50 | kd8ikt | think thats possible carrar |
| 06:48.51 | carrar | that should be fairly easy |
| 06:49.04 | kd8ikt | lets do it! |
| 06:49.26 | kd8ikt | for one how do we get the essid of an open ap |
| 06:49.37 | carrar | doesn't list do that |
| 06:49.53 | carrar | I saw that command option someplace |
| 06:49.54 | kd8ikt | yes but how do we parse that data and get the raw essid |
| 06:50.24 | kd8ikt | iwlist scan |
| 06:50.24 | carrar | parse it to a tmp file |
| 06:50.24 | carrar | or parse it in a for i loop |
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| 06:52.15 | kd8ikt | sed/awk stuff |
| 06:52.36 | carrar | yup |
| 06:52.58 | railer | yup |
| 06:53.26 | carrar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:53.29 | carrar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:53.42 | carrar | just part the ESSID that comes after |
| 06:53.44 | carrar | parse |
| 06:53.47 | carrar | cake |
| 06:56.29 | carrar | so something like this to start out |
| 06:56.29 | carrar | root@om-gta02:~# iwlist eth0 scanning | egrep "ESSID" |
| 06:56.29 | carrar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.29 | carrar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.29 | carrar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.39 | carrar | then pipe it through awk -F: '{print $2}' |
| 06:57.30 | trix | oh, thought you were saying the gps fix was in. didn't see any other mention of it. |
| 06:57.30 | kd8ikt | but we need to know if its key is off/ on before we try to associate with it |
| 06:57.30 | carrar | then insert that in the for i loop |
| 06:57.30 | railer | only problem iwlist does not tell you what type of encryption |
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| 06:58.03 | kd8ikt | i was thinking more along the line of only openAP's |
| 06:58.11 | carrar | for i in `iwlist eth0 scanning | egrep "ESSID" | awk -F: '{print $2}' `; do echo "please hack $i";done |
| 06:58.17 | carrar | oh |
| 06:58.29 | carrar | then we can key on the Encryption key:off |
| 06:58.51 | railer | just grep Encyrption key |
| 06:59.03 | carrar | cept you also need the essid |
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| 06:59.34 | railer | can you awk the whole thing into an array |
| 07:00.53 | carrar | yeah |
| 07:01.14 | railer | or multiple awks into an array? of course there is always a chance of cells switching in the queue |
| 07:01.20 | carrar | or do it twice , key on essid, then run through again on ones that are just off for encryption |
| 07:01.50 | railer | thats called thinking alike |
| 07:02.26 | carrar | I have like a few dozen AP's here downtown dpending where I set the phone |
| 07:02.38 | railer | problem is I cant test only one site where I am, right now |
| 07:03.25 | carrar | array is gonna be the best choice |
| 07:03.43 | carrar | cause you will eventually want to key on ones with better signal to noise ratio |
| 07:03.54 | kd8ikt | wk '/ESSID|key:off/' iwlist.log |
| 07:03.58 | kd8ikt | awk '/ESSID|key:off/' iwlist.log |
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| 07:04.32 | railer | danm phone locking up tonight |
| 07:04.41 | railer | brb |
| 07:04.50 | HauDyrArb | sound like a cristmas carol |
| 07:08.10 | kd8ikt | this is quite a toughy |
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| 07:09.48 | railer | turned of pwr saver think it dont like the usb |
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| 07:11.08 | kd8ikt | http://www.spencerstirling.com/computergeek/wireless.html |
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| 07:16.37 | railer | looks pretty close |
| 07:16.54 | kd8ikt | yeah but not nearly automated and requires user input |
| 07:17.00 | kd8ikt | :P |
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| 07:18.14 | vandykee | hello all. |
| 07:18.42 | vandykee | new freerunner owner here. |
| 07:18.59 | methril | lucky you |
| 07:19.08 | vandykee | am i barging in on any discussion (it's been literally years since the last time i've used irc...) |
| 07:20.11 | vandykee | lucky perhaps but fairly well frustrated. |
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| 07:22.02 | railer | I guy asked me if FR is for "him", I think I finally got the answer ask him, "Do you like watch fireworks from afar or would you rather build and set them off yourself even though it will take more time and you will never see them as well? If your answer is the latter then openmoko is for you. |
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| 07:22.53 | vandykee | having some trouble getting usb networking going. i'm able to ssh into it, but not ping out, anyone feel like lending a hand? |
| 07:23.15 | railer | it's your gateway |
| 07:23.18 | nullpuppy | vandykee: did you set the nameservers in resolv.conf? |
| 07:23.26 | nullpuppy | and do you have ipv4 forwarding setup on the pc? |
| 07:23.45 | vandykee | that's what ive been fiddling with. |
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| 07:24.10 | nullpuppy | wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 07:24.17 | newb | Freerunner is OUT OF STOCK!?!?! |
| 07:24.20 | nullpuppy | that describes everything you need to do |
| 07:24.23 | vandykee | been on that wiki page all day. |
| 07:24.25 | newb | I am yet to get my second one |
| 07:24.29 | nullpuppy | newb: until the 25, yup |
| 07:24.33 | nullpuppy | hehe, ok |
| 07:24.49 | vandykee | should the nameserver be the same at the host computer's? |
| 07:24.58 | newb | vandykee: no |
| 07:25.08 | newb | vandykee: it should be the DNS of your network |
| 07:25.12 | newb | vandykee: or |
| 07:25.21 | newb | u could run BIND on ur host computer |
| 07:25.25 | newb | and forward requests |
| 07:25.41 | newb | to your n/w |
| 07:25.59 | vandykee | hmm i'm not too slick with this stuff just yet. |
| 07:26.13 | railer | ya are you behind a router? |
| 07:26.16 | newb | vandykee: don't worry it's easy u'll get a hand of it |
| 07:26.17 | vandykee | computer's nameserver is my router address. |
| 07:26.24 | newb | *hang sorry |
| 07:26.30 | newb | vandykee: ok |
| 07:26.41 | newb | then put that in your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:26.42 | newb | also |
| 07:26.48 | kd8ikt | hey carrar |
| 07:26.49 | vandykee | frerunner's nameserver should be the computer's IP or the router or neither or both? |
| 07:27.07 | nullpuppy | vandykee: neither |
| 07:27.08 | newb | vandykee: the nameserver of your computer |
| 07:27.10 | carrar | I instaleld perl |
| 07:27.12 | kd8ikt | awk '/ESSID|key:off|Quality/' iwlist.log |egrep -B 2 Enc <-checkout that suckers output |
| 07:27.15 | carrar | writting it in perl |
| 07:27.20 | nullpuppy | if you have a dns server locally, it should be that |
| 07:27.28 | kd8ikt | noneed |
| 07:27.32 | nullpuppy | otherwise, use your isps, or something from OpenDNS |
| 07:27.42 | newb | nullpuppy: hes getting confused |
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| 07:27.49 | nullpuppy | (like 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220) |
| 07:28.01 | vandykee | no ive got you. |
| 07:28.03 | newb | vandykee: just set it to whatever DNS is for your computer at present |
| 07:28.23 | newb | see the DNS settings on your computer and set the same for Neo in the /etc/resolv.conf file |
| 07:28.42 | vandykee | thx newb let me fiddle with that a moment. |
| 07:28.54 | kd8ikt | awk '/ESSID|key:off|Quality/' iwlist.log |egrep -B 2 Enc |grep -A 1 ESSID <-- only shows ESSID+signal strength of openAP's |
| 07:29.28 | newb | vandykee: if you have been following the wiki and you set up the /etc/network/interfaces file according to it, make sure you change the address there which over writes the /etc/resolv.conf file to your DNS. |
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| 07:30.14 | kd8ikt | whoops that uses my iwlist log ;) |
| 07:30.18 | railer | how you making iwlist.log? |
| 07:30.30 | kd8ikt | iwlist eth0 scan > iwlist.log |
| 07:30.42 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 07:30.47 | railer | well it works not too bad then |
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| 07:32.42 | vandykee | newb: i was thinking of commenting out the line in /etc/network/interfaces so that it would not overwrite /etc/resolv.conf at least temporarily. but maybe that would break things. |
| 07:33.31 | newb | vandykee: not really. you could change the address in that to the DNS of your network. |
| 07:33.31 | vandykee | newb: but now i'm finding my router didn't even have opendns set up in the router's config so let's see how this goes. |
| 07:33.56 | newb | vandykee: your router is resolving the DNS requests right? so it shouldn't be an issue |
| 07:34.04 | railer | array= awk '/ESSID|key:off|Quality/' iwlist.log |egrep -B 2 Enc |grep -A 1 ESSID |
| 07:34.04 | railer | len=${#array[*]} |
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| 07:36.34 | vandykee | newb: i think the trouble is both the computer and the FR have "nameserver 192.168.0.1" in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 07:36.51 | vandykee | newb: which is the address of my router |
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| 07:37.19 | newb | vandykee: if you are accessing thru ur computer |
| 07:37.29 | newb | u need to change the interfaces section there also |
| 07:37.32 | newb | for usb0 |
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| 07:49.19 | yangvnc | http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/07/gadget-lab-vi-1.html |
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| 07:51.15 | newb | vandykee: still stuck? |
| 07:51.30 | vandykee | newb: seems like it. |
| 07:51.42 | newb | vandykee: hehe... |
| 07:51.47 | newb | vandykee: never mind |
| 07:51.50 | newb | tell me what have u done? |
| 07:52.06 | newb | vandykee: are you trying to set up USB networking? or thru WLAN? |
| 07:52.29 | vandykee | newb: let's slow down here. trying to get usb networking. i know im close but it seems like one thing is off. |
| 07:52.40 | newb | vandykee: ok |
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| 07:53.00 | newb | vandykee: what output u get on ifconfig? |
| 07:53.20 | railer | sorry kd8ikt, my scripting skill are a little rusty |
| 07:53.25 | newb | vandykee: first which OS are you on? |
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| 07:53.55 | vandykee | newb: v |
| 07:53.59 | vandykee | whoops |
| 07:54.06 | vandykee | newb: usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr A6:9C:5C:F7:FB:5C |
| 07:54.06 | vandykee | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.06 | vandykee | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.06 | vandykee | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.07 | vandykee | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.09 | vandykee | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.11 | vandykee | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.28 | railer | what your route -n say? |
| 07:54.37 | newb | vandykee: ok what about your other interfaces? are they also on 192.168.0.*? |
| 07:55.19 | vandykee | ok host computer is fresh install of ubuntu 8.04 (HH) |
| 07:55.29 | vandykee | router address is 192.168.0.1 |
| 07:55.42 | carrar | root@om-gta02:~# ./fw |
| 07:55.42 | carrar | 01 00:14:F2:DA:1C:80 "" on |
| 07:55.42 | carrar | 02 00:18:3F:4E:FA:09 "2WIRE378" on |
| 07:55.42 | carrar | 03 00:19:CB:10:44:0A "moko" off |
| 07:55.42 | vandykee | above is output from ifconfig on freerunner. |
| 07:55.44 | carrar | heh |
| 07:55.51 | newb | vandykee: ah... i see the problem |
| 07:56.12 | vandykee | root@om-gta02:~# route -n |
| 07:56.12 | vandykee | Kernel IP routing table |
| 07:56.12 | vandykee | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 07:56.12 | vandykee | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 07:56.12 | vandykee | 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.200 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 07:56.18 | vandykee | ok educate me? |
| 07:57.05 | newb | goes for lunch or other ppl gobble it up |
| 07:57.11 | ieatlint | you have no valid default route |
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| 07:57.18 | ieatlint | that's the problem |
| 07:57.31 | newb | vandykee: brb |
| 07:58.01 | vandykee | ieatlint: easy solution? |
| 07:58.30 | ieatlint | i only just joined a second ago, so i don't know exactly what you're trying to do |
| 07:58.33 | ieatlint | get online via wifi? |
| 07:58.36 | vandykee | usb |
| 07:58.50 | railer | and the route -n on the ubuntu? |
| 07:59.13 | ieatlint | oh, then wow... nm, you do have a valid default route :P |
| 07:59.48 | lepta | hi. i have a phone very similar to openmoko: eten x650 with windows mobile 6.0. it's the same motherboard with samsung sc3 2442 500mhz. The image of kernel starts with haret, the screen become black and it doesn't go on. someone could help me? |
| 08:00.10 | vandykee | desktop:~$ route -n |
| 08:00.10 | vandykee | Kernel IP routing table |
| 08:00.10 | vandykee | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 08:00.10 | vandykee | 192.168.0.202 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 08:00.10 | vandykee | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 08:00.11 | vandykee | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 08:00.13 | vandykee | 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 eth0 |
| 08:00.15 | vandykee | 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 100 0 0 usb0 |
| 08:00.17 | vandykee | 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 100 0 0 eth0 |
| 08:00.19 | vandykee | hmm i bet that's not right. |
| 08:01.16 | ieatlint | according to that route list, your ip for the usb0 interface is 192.168.0.202 |
| 08:01.17 | railer | and your etc/resolv.conf has: nameserver 192.168.0. |
| 08:01.41 | ieatlint | your computer should be .200, and the freerunner is .202 (by default) |
| 08:01.41 | railer | and your etc/resolv.conf has: nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 08:01.42 | kd8ikt | yikes use pastebin |
| 08:02.38 | vandykee | if that's @ me sry, i haven't used irc in multiple years, just getting back into the swing of it... |
| 08:02.50 | railer | np |
| 08:02.55 | carrar | Here you go kd8: |
| 08:02.56 | carrar | 01 00:14:F2:DA:1C:80 "" 1 -72 on |
| 08:02.56 | carrar | 02 00:18:3F:4E:FA:09 "2WIRE378" 6 -92 on |
| 08:02.56 | carrar | 03 00:19:CB:10:44:0A "moko" 9 -46 off |
| 08:02.57 | carrar | heh |
| 08:02.58 | ieatlint | are you trying to do nat over the usb or route? |
| 08:03.04 | carrar | ok bed time |
| 08:03.20 | ieatlint | because if it's routing over the usb0 device, then you have some errors in your routes |
| 08:03.51 | railer | that last route -n was from the ubuntu not his FR |
| 08:04.01 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 08:04.06 | ieatlint | well, there are problems |
| 08:04.28 | ieatlint | since he is using the same ip subnets on eth0 and usb0, the computer can't distinguish between the 2 networks easily |
| 08:04.41 | vandykee | oh ok. |
| 08:04.55 | ieatlint | and, if he wants to try and route packets through his computer, then he only set the route one way |
| 08:05.02 | vandykee | right. |
| 08:05.41 | vandykee | maybe this is really nubile... by default my ubuntu /etc/resolv.conf had only nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 08:06.09 | railer | i still want to know what his /etc/resolv.conf says on the FR not ubuntu |
| 08:06.10 | ieatlint | that's not "default" ... that was set by your dhcp client |
| 08:06.11 | vandykee | which is my router's address. should i set that up to use the opendns addresses first off? |
| 08:06.26 | ieatlint | your router is acting as a dns-relay |
| 08:06.40 | ieatlint | so no, you do not need to (but you could) |
| 08:07.20 | railer | carrar where's the code? |
| 08:07.38 | carrar | ok hang on |
| 08:07.41 | carrar | install perl |
| 08:07.43 | carrar | 1st |
| 08:07.54 | railer | ok |
| 08:08.51 | vandykee | railer what should it be? the /etc/resolv.conf on the FR.... i've tried nameserver = 192.168.0.1 (router, aka same as resolv.conf on ubuntu) and .200 (ubuntu usb address) |
| 08:09.24 | vandykee | sry dont let me overlap. |
| 08:09.45 | HauDyrArb | try and see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking under Routing |
| 08:09.51 | railer | it should be nameserver = 192.168.0.1 on the fr |
| 08:10.04 | kd8ikt | carrar: gonna pastebin that script? |
| 08:10.05 | railer | Hau been there done that |
| 08:10.41 | kd8ikt | couldnt of done it with python? considering the moko has it in it already |
| 08:10.55 | HauDyrArb | vandykee, especailly the "route add -host" part |
| 08:11.21 | carrar | railer: http://www.osburn.com/scanwifi |
| 08:12.14 | railer | very nice |
| 08:12.22 | ieatlint | i still don't get what he's even trying to do... |
| 08:12.32 | ieatlint | vandykee: are you just trying to ssh from your computer into the phone via usb? |
| 08:12.35 | carrar | then you can just parse for off |
| 08:12.50 | carrar | and try to attach |
| 08:12.58 | railer | vandykee can usb in but no internet connection, |
| 08:13.19 | vandykee | HauDyrArb, ieatlint : thanks ive got that, in so much as i'm able to ssh into my fr, but not ping out from it. |
| 08:13.35 | carrar | vandykee, you got a ubuntu box? |
| 08:13.42 | vandykee | carrar: yep |
| 08:13.43 | carrar | I ended up just installing ubuntu on a box |
| 08:13.49 | ieatlint | vandykee: ok, did you follow a guide from the wiki about setting up internet on your freerunner over usb? |
| 08:13.50 | carrar | lsusb |
| 08:13.51 | vandykee | just did that |
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| 08:13.53 | carrar | type that |
| 08:14.01 | carrar | with your phone plugged in |
| 08:14.19 | carrar | get anything? |
| 08:14.33 | carrar | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 08:14.43 | ieatlint | carrar: he just said he could ssh to the phone |
| 08:14.45 | vandykee | yes. |
| 08:14.46 | carrar | oh |
| 08:14.47 | carrar | haha |
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| 08:15.00 | carrar | he needs routing on the box |
| 08:15.01 | carrar | cake |
| 08:15.03 | vandykee | its getting the phone to talk to the internet thats the trouble. |
| 08:15.11 | ieatlint | vandykee: ok, so you followed a guide ... did the guide tell you to run iptables commands? |
| 08:15.17 | vandykee | right thats the part im not too sharp on. |
| 08:15.24 | carrar | edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:15.33 | carrar | and add, I'll bin paste it |
| 08:15.50 | vandykee | under the ubuntu/gutsy/feisty yes i have that. |
| 08:16.30 | carrar | http://pastebin.com/m62abafe2 |
| 08:16.34 | carrar | thats my config |
| 08:16.43 | carrar | also |
| 08:16.51 | vandykee | patched also. |
| 08:16.54 | carrar | make sure resolv.conf matches your box |
| 08:17.00 | carrar | (on the phone) |
| 08:17.10 | ieatlint | dns is the last thing to worry about |
| 08:17.21 | ieatlint | vandykee: ok, so did you run the iptables commands? |
| 08:17.38 | ieatlint | as shown here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Proxying_with_iptables |
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| 08:18.00 | vandykee | that part maybe not yet 1 sec |
| 08:18.18 | kd8ikt | carrar: this is what i have sofar http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/auto_con_open_AP.sh.txt |
| 08:18.43 | ieatlint | wait, who wrote those iptables commands in the wiki? |
| 08:18.45 | ieatlint | that makes no sense |
| 08:19.34 | ieatlint | oh, i see, they're just talking about forwarding dns |
| 08:19.38 | carrar | well with perl we can put them in a array, sort by signal strength, then attach to the 1st in the list |
| 08:19.55 | carrar | that has encryption off |
| 08:19.56 | kd8ikt | oh |
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| 08:20.13 | carrar | much easier in perl |
| 08:20.47 | ieatlint | carrar: just about every language can support that kind of thing |
| 08:20.51 | carrar | yeah |
| 08:20.58 | kd8ikt | i cant remember the last time i played with perl |
| 08:21.09 | ieatlint | linked lists |
| 08:21.28 | carrar | I use perl/php/postgres/mysql almost every day |
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| 08:21.39 | kd8ikt | well damn |
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| 08:21.55 | carrar | so just easier for me that way |
| 08:22.20 | ieatlint | the best way to handle such a thing is to use something like sqlite and wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 08:22.40 | ieatlint | wpa_supplicant can handle configuring the interface as long as you feed it a valid config |
| 08:22.45 | kd8ikt | i had issues with wpa_supplicant + openAP's |
| 08:23.08 | kd8ikt | i think its easier to just iwconfig eth0 essid "essid" and udhcpc eth0 |
| 08:23.18 | ieatlint | works fine here, just need to set "key_mgmt=NONE" |
| 08:23.24 | kd8ikt | then go editing/prepending crap to wpa_supplicant |
| 08:23.52 | railer | beside what carrar did will port nicely to a phyton and a GUI |
| 08:24.24 | ieatlint | and if you switch from an encrypted network to an open network without turning off the phone, how well will that work? it'll still have the other settings cached, including the old AP's mac |
| 08:25.16 | kd8ikt | you kill wpa_supplicant |
| 08:25.26 | vandykee | ieatlint, i bet those 2 proxying with iptables commands on the wiki could be my ticket. those are to be run on the computer right? |
| 08:25.29 | carrar | should capture the GPS location too for each AP |
| 08:25.34 | carrar | :) |
| 08:25.37 | kd8ikt | heh whynot |
| 08:25.42 | ieatlint | vandykee: yeah, but you should change it |
| 08:25.45 | carrar | so when you are back in that location |
| 08:25.50 | carrar | it just knows |
| 08:25.54 | kd8ikt | i was reading a project about cacheing gps/celltower stuff |
| 08:26.25 | ieatlint | carrar: that's overkill, as it can run "iwlist scan" a lot faster :P |
| 08:26.39 | carrar | true |
| 08:26.59 | carrar | maybe use for later mapping |
| 08:27.10 | kd8ikt | and i went wardriving lastnight with gps OMFG there are a lot ofAP's! |
| 08:27.26 | kd8ikt | that database would fill quick |
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| 08:27.39 | kd8ikt | just send it all to /dev/null |
| 08:27.39 | ieatlint | kismet already supports gps for wardriving |
| 08:27.46 | kd8ikt | thats what i was using |
| 08:28.16 | kd8ikt | laptop + wlan0 card +phone(gpspipe) |
| 08:28.34 | ieatlint | fun |
| 08:28.56 | kd8ikt | oh yeah i have a ALFA usb wlan card with ext antenna 500mW of funk! |
| 08:29.09 | ieatlint | i was contemplated making a "proof of concept" hack based around wardriving |
| 08:29.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rdcf0705e97ce 10/classes/sanity.bbclass: sanity.bbclass: Add check for problematic /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr values |
| 08:29.16 | railer | dude last I checked 700,000 in Edmonton |
| 08:29.17 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9f1a12f48c2b 10/classes/sanity.bbclass: [sanity] Move the mmap_min_addr check out of arch == arm as ecj-initial fails |
| 08:29.31 | kd8ikt | i need a big 2.4G yagi |
| 08:29.48 | ieatlint | for every open wifi you hit, at least half are unconfigured waps using default passwords |
| 08:30.03 | kd8ikt | yeah i love changing AP ssid's |
| 08:30.11 | kd8ikt | SetecAstronomy |
| 08:30.11 | ieatlint | you could write a program that finds those, connects, modifying the route table, and create a sort of DDoS using it ::P |
| 08:30.15 | vandykee | thanks all for the help so far. still not fixed but i'll document any progress i make along the way. probably i'll be back much more (and be able to help with this question once i solve it). |
| 08:30.18 | railer | i got yagis and 1 watt usb wifi, |
| 08:30.27 | kd8ikt | aw |
| 08:30.32 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 08:30.52 | railer | get 2 miles |
| 08:30.59 | ieatlint | yep |
| 08:31.11 | ieatlint | i set up a p2p link with something similar once |
| 08:31.16 | ieatlint | went 1.5 miles |
| 08:31.27 | ieatlint | from steve wozniak's house no less :P |
| 08:32.19 | carrar | steve used to have his house connected via a T1 with zero security a long time ago |
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| 08:32.26 | railer | I hope once digital tv is up some of those vhf/uhf signals get digital wifi, |
| 08:32.33 | carrar | we'll leave it at that |
| 08:32.35 | ieatlint | yeah, it was a t1 when i was there |
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| 08:32.50 | ieatlint | the guy doesn't care much for securitz |
| 08:32.59 | carrar | no he doesn't |
| 08:33.03 | carrar | heh |
| 08:33.19 | eth01 | i have a wifi (i won't tell you where) which boats 3.5 miles coverage |
| 08:33.23 | eth01 | network * |
| 08:33.28 | eth01 | boasts * |
| 08:33.30 | nullpuppy | contactRE = re.compile('^RSTR=[^,]*,\s*"?([^",]*)"?\s*,[^,]*,"?(.*?)"?\'?\s*$') |
| 08:33.34 | eth01 | lots of spelling mistakes this morning |
| 08:33.34 | nullpuppy | whoops |
| 08:34.03 | eth01 | that consists of 2 repeaters and the core router itself |
| 08:34.29 | eth01 | that being a cisco as5400 uni gateway |
| 08:34.55 | railer | how high antenna? |
| 08:35.22 | railer | directional or omni? |
| 08:35.47 | eth01 | it's about 27cm in height, and it's directional |
| 08:36.22 | railer | no push up? internal or external? what type of antenna? |
| 08:36.25 | ieatlint | well, i have a wap that boasts about 30 metres! |
| 08:36.44 | eth01 | and then i've got a zmax helping to support it |
| 08:37.22 | eth01 | all internal, it's only office based stuff |
| 08:38.12 | eth01 | it's the repeaters which extend the coverage tho really |
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| 08:40.14 | railer | http://www.simple-wifi.com/ |
| 08:40.27 | railer | alfa ones I have |
| 08:41.15 | railer | ok it's the repeaters, no I got 2 miles no repeaters, and no happy neighbors |
| 08:41.43 | eth01 | the extenders were the costly bit |
| 08:42.14 | railer | I've looked into tweeking my router and usb wifi shifting the freq beyond the normal channels |
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| 08:42.33 | eth01 | look at the channels others around you're using |
| 08:42.38 | eth01 | and then use a channel which nobody else is using |
| 08:42.42 | eth01 | that helps |
| 08:42.55 | eth01 | people don't know that :-) |
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| 08:43.31 | railer | use channel 1 or 11 but there is so much bleed it's almost pointless |
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| 08:44.26 | railer | how do you put a url in, in minimo |
| 08:46.05 | simoo | Hi, I am not a deveoper but am willing to contribute to free software in other ways (and do). Is the free runner ready for me to use as a phone and could I contribute in some way at the same time? |
| 08:48.17 | nullpuppy | simoo: it works for the most part as a basic phone. battery life out of the box is extremely short |
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| 08:48.25 | railer | night |
| 08:48.56 | nullpuppy | its not really ready for consumer use, but if you're willing to test/document/etc, thats welcome. |
| 08:49.21 | simoo | nullpuppy: I only have a basic phone a the moment so that would be ok, how short is the battery life and will it improve? |
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| 08:49.53 | nullpuppy | without suspend/resume, you get about 6-10hrs standby |
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| 08:49.59 | nullpuppy | and yes, it will improve |
| 08:50.16 | nullpuppy | there are people on the ML taht are getting 100+hrs, but i don't know how stable that is |
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| 08:50.58 | simoo | nullpuppy: cool, so I could contribute by using the software being developed and reporting back? |
| 08:51.09 | nullpuppy | simoo: i'd think so |
| 08:51.11 | simoo | and document |
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| 08:51.21 | simoo | ok thanks |
| 08:51.24 | nullpuppy | no prob |
| 08:51.38 | nullpuppy | just be aware that its not quite stable for a day-to-day phone ;) |
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| 08:52.30 | simoo | cheers, I am a liitle used to that kind of thing (rockbox on my ipod etc.) so that should be ok |
| 08:52.38 | nullpuppy | :) cool |
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| 08:52.50 | railer | jamesb |
| 08:53.03 | railer | wrong kb, sorry |
| 08:53.16 | nullpuppy | hrm, where the heck is the source for openmoko-contacts2 |
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| 08:55.30 | kd8ikt | good question nullpuppy |
| 08:56.05 | kd8ikt | founbd it |
| 08:56.26 | kd8ikt | packages/openmoko-pim |
| 08:56.27 | simoo | nullpuppy:Hi again one more question, is the hardware likely to change often? My concern being if a new phone came out in 6 months would I have to buy that one to make use of the developing software? |
| 08:56.50 | nullpuppy | simoo: from the way things have gone so far, i'd say your safe for at least a year |
| 08:56.58 | simoo | ok |
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| 08:57.23 | nullpuppy | simoo: and even then, i don't expect the old revisions to just disappear |
| 08:57.33 | kd8ikt | and since many of us have freerunners and paid a lot for it i doubt dev will ever stop for this device |
| 08:57.40 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 08:57.40 | nullpuppy | like right now, the freerunner is the new phone, but lots of people are still using the neo1973 |
| 08:57.41 | simoo | right, cool |
| 08:57.51 | nullpuppy | kd8ikt: yeah, that too ;) |
| 08:58.06 | kd8ikt | i'm not rich 400 was a lot to shell out |
| 08:58.08 | nullpuppy | is curious whats going to happen once the schematics come out |
| 08:58.15 | nullpuppy | kd8ikt: yeah, same here |
| 08:58.23 | nullpuppy | this is one expensive toy :) |
| 08:58.32 | simoo | i'm not rich either! |
| 08:58.49 | nullpuppy | kd8ikt: so.. ok, for the contacts thingy.. how would i go about modifying the source to that using bitbake? |
| 08:59.07 | kd8ikt | well. wouldnt you edit the source then bitbake make it? |
| 08:59.12 | nullpuppy | i'm still somewhat unsure on how the build process actually works.. |
| 08:59.15 | nullpuppy | kd8ikt: well, yeah |
| 08:59.20 | nullpuppy | but how do i grab the source? |
| 08:59.30 | nullpuppy | i saw the bitbake package file for it.. |
| 09:00.07 | nullpuppy | or am i looking in the wrong spot... |
| 09:00.08 | kd8ikt | doesnt like bitbake |
| 09:00.32 | kd8ikt | isnt there talk about a new SDK/env? |
| 09:00.49 | nullpuppy | has openembedded/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-contacts2_svn.bb but doesn't see anything else really useful... |
| 09:01.00 | nullpuppy | yeah, don't know if theres been any progress on it though |
| 09:01.03 | kd8ikt | hates that |
| 09:02.41 | kd8ikt | have you tried calling bitbake to make it first |
| 09:02.52 | kd8ikt | does it grab the source and unpack? ifso where |
| 09:02.52 | nullpuppy | not yet |
| 09:02.57 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 09:03.25 | kd8ikt | this managerie |
| 09:04.14 | kd8ikt | is still working on his lame auto open AP shell scrip |
| 09:04.22 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 09:05.13 | kd8ikt | his=This* |
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| 09:09.51 | rwhitby | kd8ikt, nullpuppy: have you guys read the OE and bitbake manuals? |
| 09:10.11 | nullpuppy | rwhitby: nope. i really probably should do that |
| 09:10.19 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4545 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg.c: opkg: write the status change after actually updated. |
| 09:10.32 | lepta | hi. i have a phone very similar to openmoko: eten x650 with windows mobile 6.0. it's the same motherboard with samsung sc3 2442 500mhz. The image of kernel starts with haret, the screen become black and it doesn't go on. someone could help me? |
| 09:11.04 | rwhitby | I always find it strange that people expect to be able to understand an incredibly complex build environment without reading any of it's documentation. I guess Windows installers have cause society to tend in that direction ... |
| 09:11.25 | nullpuppy | rwhitby: hehe, yeah. |
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| 09:11.42 | nullpuppy | i've done lots of cursory reading, but nothing indepth |
| 09:12.22 | nullpuppy | that, and i've been having problems finding clear descriptions of how to do stuff on the om.o wiki. haven't looked ot OE though |
| 09:13.02 | rwhitby | http://bec-systems.com/oe/html/index.html and http://bitbake.berlios.de/manual/ should be read from cover to cover before attempting to understand the Openmoko build environment. |
| 09:13.15 | nullpuppy | alright |
| 09:13.15 | rwhitby | Otherwise, use the SDK. But it has *no* doco as far as I know. |
| 09:13.35 | nullpuppy | what SDK? |
| 09:13.51 | kd8ikt | bitbake is the build env? |
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| 09:14.39 | kd8ikt | damn thats a lot of reading rwhitby |
| 09:15.08 | rwhitby | kd8ikt: sure - you don't get to be able to build a custom linux distribution with a one-pager ... |
| 09:15.52 | nullpuppy | rwhitby: hehe, well, yeah, of course. |
| 09:16.00 | nullpuppy | i just want to poke at some source though ;) |
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| 09:16.07 | rwhitby | nullpuppy: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 09:16.08 | nullpuppy | (at the moment) |
| 09:16.20 | nullpuppy | rwhitby: yup, already setup, or at least mostly |
| 09:16.47 | rwhitby | it's that for single apps, and bitbake/OE for full images. |
| 09:17.37 | kd8ikt | hmm |
| 09:18.02 | kd8ikt | hey rwhitby you active on the bitbake/OE git? |
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| 09:18.31 | rwhitby | kd8ikt: I can't parse that question ... |
| 09:18.44 | kd8ikt | do you make git commits |
| 09:18.55 | rwhitby | I have in the past, when it was monotone not git. |
| 09:19.00 | rwhitby | OE, not OM. |
| 09:19.12 | rwhitby | I run nslu2-linux.org which also uses OE. |
| 09:19.50 | kd8ikt | ah noshit i followed that awhile ago played with some stuff on my openwrt router |
| 09:20.03 | kd8ikt | same CPU or somesuch |
| 09:20.06 | rwhitby | I haven't made any commits to the git repo yet, since I don't have Openmoko commit rights, and OE hasn't officially switched to git yet. |
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| 09:38.44 | HdR | can anybody help me? i'm trying to build the openmoko-mediplayer2 via bitbake -c compile openmoko-mediaplayer2, but it fails with this error: http://nopaste.ch/867097a5864710b.html bitbake libexpat or bitbake expat doesn't help, any ideas? |
| 09:40.27 | kd8ikt | your system needs libexpat? |
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| 09:41.21 | kd8ikt | like for ubuntu |
| 09:41.21 | kd8ikt | Connection to 10.10.10.190 closed. |
| 09:41.26 | kd8ikt | libexpat1-dev |
| 09:41.29 | kd8ikt | whoopz |
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| 09:42.16 | HdR | kd8ikt: expat is installed on my gentoo system, but this doesn't affect the openembbeded enviroment, does it? |
| 09:42.27 | kd8ikt | i guess it doesnt then |
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| 09:43.15 | HdR | kd8ikt: i made make setup (with the openmoko makefile), then source setup-env; cd openembedded; bitbake -c compile openmoko-mediaplayer2 |
| 09:43.45 | rwhitby | HdR: building OE on Gentoo is not the best idea - since every Gentoo installation is different, you can't hope for a reproducable build environment. |
| 09:44.12 | kd8ikt | what would you suggest |
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| 09:44.27 | rwhitby | Ubuntu 7.10 |
| 09:45.25 | HdR | but the system libs haven't any connection to the oe libs, right? |
| 09:45.39 | rwhitby | I used to try and build on CentOS 4 or 5, but gave up - I've found that previous gen Ubuntu seems to be what most of the core devs run, so is most likely to work. |
| 09:45.43 | HdR | i mean the system is x86_64 and the oe should be armv4 |
| 09:46.27 | rwhitby | HdR: An assumption that every recipe is independent of the host environment is not a correct assumption. |
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| 09:47.47 | rwhitby | It should be a safe assumption in an ideal world with infinite resources to make OE work on every possible distro configuration, but we don't live in that world. |
| 09:47.55 | HdR | but it sounds crazy to need ubuntu to build packages for the neo Oo |
| 09:48.36 | torpor | woot! |
| 09:48.43 | rwhitby | HdR: how do you expect the hundreds of OE recipe authors to test their recipes on your specific installation of Gentoo? |
| 09:48.43 | torpor | got my freerunner this morning, finally .. |
| 09:48.47 | torpor | goes YAY! |
| 09:48.51 | niklauz | gratz torpor! |
| 09:49.01 | torpor | back to development for me .. |
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| 09:49.16 | torpor | looks at his dying neo1973 . sniff .. bye little fella, i had a good time with you. |
| 09:49.28 | torpor | strips his freerunner .. hey baby, come over here, i got something for you .. |
| 09:49.30 | rwhitby | looks at his dying FreeRunner ... |
| 09:49.43 | niklauz | lol |
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| 09:49.49 | torpor | nooo!! what did you do to it? |
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| 09:50.24 | rwhitby | torpor: see the kernel mailing list - it refuses to power on reliably. |
| 09:50.31 | torpor | oh shit |
| 09:50.35 | torpor | same with my neo |
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| 09:50.54 | rwhitby | oh, I have two neo1973's which are now dead |
| 09:51.01 | rwhitby | 1 out of 4 is working. |
| 09:51.04 | torpor | i have 1 that is dead, and the other is dying |
| 09:51.04 | niklauz | thats why i'm wnodering if i should wait to buy a freerunner |
| 09:51.16 | niklauz | it sounds like there have been fab errors..? |
| 09:52.04 | HdR | rwhitby: but how can the x86_64 lib work with the armv4t program? Oo |
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| 09:53.12 | ieatlint | rwhitby: i have that on occasion too, but i'm always able to get into uboot... so i often end up going into uboot and then just selecting to boot the standard image |
| 09:54.28 | kd8ikt | feel free to send me a dead phone |
| 09:54.36 | torpor | hmm .. |
| 09:54.49 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 09:54.52 | torpor | how can i finish opkg upgrade when it keeps disconnecting to upgrade dropbear? use screen or somehting? |
| 09:55.07 | kd8ikt | opkg upgrad& |
| 09:55.15 | kd8ikt | opkg upgrad & (worked for me |
| 09:56.02 | kd8ikt | or un it from the moko's terminal |
| 09:56.38 | torpor | i'll do that if screen doesn't work .. |
| 09:57.19 | kd8ikt | that was the next option i was gonna state |
| 09:57.57 | rwhitby | ieatlint: nRESET (test point under debug connector) never goes high -> PMU is not enabling power on |
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| 09:58.12 | rwhitby | torpor: use screen |
| 09:58.19 | torpor | doing that now |
| 09:58.27 | torpor | it'll disconnect me, right, then i just go back in and screen -R? |
| 09:58.59 | rwhitby | HdR: BTW, x86_64 is also a bad choice for a stable build system. Use 32bit Ubuntu 7.10 |
| 09:59.21 | rwhitby | torpor: yep, I use screen -dr but what you said probably works too |
| 09:59.46 | torpor | 3rd times a charm.. lets see if this works. |
| 09:59.48 | ieatlint | i'm using x86_64 on two systems without stability issues |
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| 10:00.06 | torpor | i guess i'll stick to 2007.2 for a while, but what are you guys currently using? is ASU good? FSO? |
| 10:01.07 | leinir | Pure qtopia :) |
| 10:01.22 | rwhitby | ieatlint: x86_64 gentoo? |
| 10:01.30 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 10:01.40 | torpor | w00t reboot time .. |
| 10:01.43 | torpor | wish me luck! :) |
| 10:01.43 | rwhitby | perhaps you can help HdR then :-) |
| 10:02.22 | HdR | ok than, can someone build me openmoko-mediaplayer2 with this patch added https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1614 ? |
| 10:02.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r8984f06e13d1 10/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Adding check of email support |
| 10:02.27 | rwhitby | ieatlint, HdR: you two are both running x86_64 Gentoo, so you should have identical systems, no? |
| 10:02.47 | ieatlint | identical.. no; similar, probably |
| 10:02.50 | rwhitby | so you should get the same reproducable build results. |
| 10:02.54 | HdR | rwhitby: similar i think |
| 10:03.06 | rwhitby | "similar" <- that's the root problem. |
| 10:03.08 | ieatlint | i could be running different versions of libraries and the like |
| 10:03.27 | rwhitby | exactly. how do you expect a 100% guaranteed build experience then? |
| 10:03.45 | HdR | i don't i just want to fix the problem |
| 10:04.03 | ieatlint | uh, i never stated that expectation |
| 10:04.21 | rwhitby | ieatlint: true - HdR stated that, not you. apologies. |
| 10:04.44 | ieatlint | but still, gentoo is actually surprisingly good for cross compiling |
| 10:05.07 | ieatlint | they have an automated process for creating toolchains, and the package system can be paralled into each toolchain for a simplified build process |
| 10:05.11 | rwhitby | doesn't have time to fight the build system, so chooses the path of least resistance |
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| 10:07.39 | balrog-k1n | builds his neo programs using gentoo's build system too, but there were various problems with it before it started to work |
| 10:08.15 | balrog-k1n | packages not test for cross compiling, wrong dependencies exposed by cross compiling etc |
| 10:09.00 | ieatlint | yep |
| 10:09.22 | balrog-k1n | i suppose oe gets more love |
| 10:09.24 | ieatlint | there are some really broken autoconf/automake files out there |
| 10:09.36 | rwhitby | HdR: two people to help you with Gentoo x86_64 now ... ;-) |
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| 10:10.29 | balrog-k1n | :) |
| 10:12.23 | HdR | balrog-k1n: ieatlint how do you build your neo packages? with bitbake from make setup (openmoko makefile)? |
| 10:12.34 | ieatlint | no |
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| 10:13.49 | HdR | and how would you try to build openmoko-mediaplayer? |
| 10:13.57 | ieatlint | http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/index.xml |
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| 10:14.18 | balrog-k1n | no, but you have much better chance with bitbake and friends |
| 10:15.06 | ieatlint | i need to get to bed... it's past 3am here |
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| 10:19.01 | kd8ikt | me2 |
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| 10:47.53 | ernst | hello my first youtube video http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=gROE5yXJqy4 |
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| 10:49.05 | dcordes | ernst: nice one. is that built into the openmoko-image or did you build it yourself? |
| 10:50.12 | ernst | myself with the gestures |
| 10:50.44 | ernst | very simple |
| 10:50.44 | ernst | downloading gestures |
| 10:50.44 | ernst | 0.0.1 :-) |
| 10:50.56 | ernst | and change the /etc/gestures/echo.ges |
| 10:51.08 | ernst | then start the gesd-neo.sh |
| 10:52.04 | ernst | in gesd-neo.sh is a line like ./gesd delete the "./" |
| 10:52.09 | ernst | and have fun |
| 10:52.30 | ernst | i'am only a Entusiast (User only) |
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| 11:19.51 | sparrow | Good morning. I was wondering if anyone knew where I could find a list of cme error codes for libgsm-tool? |
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| 11:30.12 | emdete | sparrow: in the spec? |
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| 11:38.29 | Zorkman | hi, i would like to install/test http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Orrery but i don't know how to install tar.gz files on the freerunner, is there a guide somewhere on the net? |
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| 11:42.33 | sparrow | emdete - I have scanned through the spec, but there does not seem to be a comprehensive list. |
| 11:42.40 | Zorkman | i'm new to linux but i think this has to be the most basic stuff but i can't figure it out |
| 11:42.52 | Zorkman | i think i need to run ./configure && make on the freerunner, |
| 11:43.01 | Zorkman | but in what directory or does this not matter? |
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| 11:44.33 | Zorkman | does anyone know how to install tar.gz files to the freerunner? |
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| 11:46.23 | Zorkman | also: agps-gui works, but tango-gps says "no GPS found" |
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| 11:52.15 | emdete | sparrow: at the end of the specs is a list with nnumbers & text |
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| 11:53.27 | Zorkman | does anyone know how to install tar.gz files to the freerunner? |
| 11:53.56 | sparrow | emdete - I think that is a change history. |
| 11:54.27 | sparrow | emdete - Although, this seems to match: http://www.activexperts.com/activsms/sms/gsmerrorcodes/ |
| 11:54.44 | lepta | (10:00:17) lepta: hi. i have a phone very similar to openmoko: eten x650 with windows mobile 6.0. it's the same motherboard with samsung sc3 2442 500mhz. The image of kernel starts with haret, the screen become black and it doesn't go on. someone could help me? |
| 11:54.46 | sparrow | I think that the cme error codes must be part of the gms standard. |
| 11:54.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r71e481f7cc0d 10/qtopiacore/qt/src/gui/kernel/qwidget_x11.cpp: [qt/x11] Only wait for an UnmapNotify if we were mapped before |
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| 11:57.11 | sparrow | Zorkman - Normally I think you would decompress the file one your desktop and move the contained package file over to your fr with the scp command. |
| 11:57.58 | sparrow | s/one/on |
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| 12:02.21 | sparrow | lepta - I think that you would be able to get support from the kernel devel mailing list. |
| 12:02.58 | lepta | how do i get it? |
| 12:05.53 | Tanuva | I know there was some discussion about gstreamer being unable to open alsa for sound output - did we already have a solution for this? |
| 12:06.00 | sparrow | lepta - http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ |
| 12:06.06 | Zorkman | sparrow: ok, i think i will be able to manage that, but afterwards, when it is on the freerunner, how do i install it then? |
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| 12:07.45 | lepta | tnx sparrow |
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| 12:09.45 | sparrow | Zorkman - if the tar.gz contains an .ipk package, from your fr enter the command 'opkg install <file location>' |
| 12:10.12 | sparrow | after you have copied the file over to your freerunner ;) |
| 12:10.24 | Zorkman | sparrow: no ipk command, there is a makefile in it though |
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| 12:13.13 | sparrow | Zorkman - There are instructions in that package under: ./orrery/files/INSTALL |
| 12:13.54 | marcinsoo | anyone has tried GARMIN maps in Navit ??? |
| 12:15.15 | Dave | Zorkman, are you the king of Qwendor? :D |
| 12:15.25 | sparrow | Zorkman - The binary files have already been compiled for the arm cpu, so you just need to copy the files where the INSTALL file tells you to. |
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| 12:16.11 | Zorkman | Dave: i don't get the joke, sorry |
| 12:16.18 | Dave | Aww :[ |
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| 12:17.23 | Zorkman | sparrow: found the instructions, thanks |
| 12:17.31 | sparrow | no worries |
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| 12:50.02 | Zorkman | when i use tango-gps it says "no GPS found" anyone else has this problem? |
| 12:50.04 | Zorkman | agps-gui can find my gps and use it |
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| 12:50.55 | Zorkman | or can't they bothy use the gps at the same time? |
| 12:51.56 | Dave | they can, but I seriously question how well they can, together :p |
| 12:53.08 | Zorkman | dave: but to i have to configure something to get tango-gps to work? execpt do an opkg for tangogps? |
| 12:53.28 | Dave | nope |
| 12:53.43 | Dave | power on gps -> start gpsd -> run tangogps :D |
| 12:54.21 | Zorkman | is gpsd needed on the freerunner? |
| 12:54.24 | dlowe | yes |
| 12:54.26 | Dave | YES |
| 12:54.29 | Dave | install gpsd |
| 12:54.30 | Dave | :P |
| 12:54.37 | Dave | it can be obtained via opkg :) |
| 12:55.19 | Zorkman | jup, i know, installed the the previous time i tested the 2007.2 but it didn't work then... |
| 12:55.31 | Zorkman | (tango gps i mean, installing gpsd works of cource) |
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| 12:55.53 | Zorkman | and do i need glinn? |
| 12:56.05 | mjr | no |
| 12:56.16 | Zorkman | in tangogps i click on "reconnect to GPSD" |
| 12:56.20 | Tanuva | huh... wheres python-pygst gone? O.o |
| 12:56.24 | Zorkman | and then i go to the maps and still get "no GPS found" |
| 12:58.14 | Zorkman | anyone encouteres this problem also? |
| 12:58.20 | dlowe | don't forget to remove your sd card :p |
| 12:58.24 | dlowe | oh, wait |
| 12:58.30 | Zorkman | i get a fix with sd card with agps-gui |
| 12:58.32 | dlowe | did you edit /etc/defaults/gpsd? |
| 12:58.41 | Zorkman | nope, didn't know i have to do that |
| 12:59.02 | dlowe | Zorkman: check the wiki |
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| 13:01.23 | jakob_ | does anyone have an idea why a python application which is started by the application menu can only be started once? |
| 13:02.11 | jakob_ | it is started for the first time. Then I close it. But after that it can not be started again from the menu :( |
| 13:02.23 | jakob_ | I can't seem to find the problem with it |
| 13:02.42 | DPThough1 | jakob_: try starting it from command line an see the erros it throws |
| 13:02.55 | Tanuva | wtf... did anything in the repo change recently? From ASU, I cant seem to find openmoko-agpsui and python-pygst anymore.. |
| 13:03.25 | jakob_ | DPThough1: that is the weirdest part. It does not throw any error. I can start it a thousand times from the commandline if I want to |
| 13:04.01 | jakob_ | The application start menu seems to think the application is still open, even if it isn't |
| 13:04.26 | Zorkman | dlowe: how do i edit the file? i can read it with "cat" command in terminal, but when i open it in konqueror with a tex editor i don't see anything in it |
| 13:04.28 | DPThough1 | jakob_: strang eindeed |
| 13:05.08 | jakob_ | DPThough1: yeah. I was hoping anyone here encountered the same problem before and might know the answer to this. Because I just don't get it. |
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| 13:05.40 | Zorkman | foget my question, it works now |
| 13:07.48 | Zorkman | is a reboot required? |
| 13:07.59 | Zorkman | because i cahnged the file and restarted tangoGPS and it still doesn't work |
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| 13:12.23 | dlowe | Zorkman: you have to restart gpsd |
| 13:13.26 | Zorkman | dlowe: i pressed that button |
| 13:13.30 | Zorkman | that didn't work |
| 13:13.37 | Zorkman | i'm now rebooting the freerunner itself |
| 13:13.45 | dlowe | good idea |
| 13:14.05 | Zorkman | hooray, it works :) |
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| 13:17.13 | Zorkman | dlowe: one last question, when you connect to the unsecure wireless network of someone else, which nameserver you have to use with the freerunner? any way to now this? |
| 13:19.10 | dlowe | it should find a nameserver on its own |
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| 13:19.37 | Zorkman | dlowe: i do |
| 13:19.37 | Zorkman | iwlist eth0 scanning |
| 13:19.37 | Zorkman | iwconfig eth0 essid "SMC" |
| 13:19.49 | Zorkman | then it is connected, but tangogps can not download map tiles |
| 13:20.01 | dlowe | you do have to run udhcpc eth0 |
| 13:20.10 | dlowe | or you won't have any configuration |
| 13:23.48 | Zorkman | dlowe: grat, that works with tangogps, but in the browser whe ni type www.google.be it does not show anything |
| 13:23.56 | Zorkman | with internet-over usb this does work |
| 13:24.03 | Zorkman | any special settings for the browser? |
| 13:24.33 | dlowe | don't know |
| 13:25.04 | Zorkman | ok, thanks anyway you really helped me |
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| 13:33.38 | newb | can anyone give me the link to the Openmoko kernel and rootfs images where the GPS issue has been fixed? I would like to load that |
| 13:34.55 | Zorkman | newb: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080721/ |
| 13:35.06 | newb | thx Zorkman |
| 13:36.25 | Dave | oh no, it's the noob! |
| 13:36.41 | Dave | newb: opkg upgrade |
| 13:36.49 | Dave | :) |
| 13:37.09 | newb | Dave: ok |
| 13:37.33 | Dave | yeah, the latest should have it in, supposedly anyway :) |
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| 13:39.09 | newb | Dave: how many versions of the GTA02 are there? and how do i know which one i have? |
| 13:39.35 | Dave | It should be one the device |
| 13:40.16 | newb | it just says GTA02 |
| 13:40.43 | Dave | Check the datecode |
| 13:40.49 | Dave | That should help, I believe. |
| 13:41.23 | Dave | Otherwise I'm sure you could cross-reference the S/N, howeer I am unsure if that info is public :) |
| 13:41.26 | Dave | (Probably not) |
| 13:41.28 | Weiss | newb: "The kernel exports the system_rev variable in /proc/cpuinfo as "Revision :" line. " (from the Wiki) |
| 13:41.34 | Dave | :D |
| 13:41.53 | Weiss | (http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware) |
| 13:42.33 | newb | Weiss: mine says Revision 0350 |
| 13:42.46 | Dave | True |
| 13:43.08 | newb | Dave ? |
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| 13:43.41 | Dave | Ecraven! :D |
| 13:43.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4c05c474bf93 10/packages/gtk-webcore/midori_0.0.17.bb: [midori] Force linking to supc++ to avoid undefined symbols |
| 13:43.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r787ab2b9aac4 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Remove qtopia-phone as it does not build (gta02) |
| 13:43.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * radc62df97f70 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add the critical minicom application to the feed |
| 13:43.57 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0893d558f4f6 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add a good editor to the feed |
| 13:44.00 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mail 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7e9fd5bdc33a 10/packages/u-boot/u-boot-openmoko_1.3.2rc2+git.bb: [u-boot-openmoko] Build u-boot from the Openmoko git repository |
| 13:44.03 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r696ea56912be 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [u-boot-openmoko] Clean up, move the git rev to sane-srcrevs |
| 13:44.06 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rbfeb5a594e5c 10/packages/u-boot/ (3 files): [u-boot-openmoko] Remove the old svn recipes |
| 13:45.07 | Weiss | newb: that's GTA02v5 according to that page |
| 13:46.18 | newb | hmmm |
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| 13:49.48 | newb | what's the revision that's actually available on the market? |
| 13:49.57 | newb | i think i may have landed up with an older one? |
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| 13:56.53 | Sargun_screen | 5-days until FR sales again |
| 13:57.36 | Sargun_screen | No, its in stock |
| 13:57.41 | Sargun_screen | yay! |
| 13:58.05 | Dave | newb, doubtful. |
| 13:58.11 | Dave | newb, gta02v5 |
| 13:58.57 | Dave | pokes Speedevil |
| 13:59.16 | Dave | aw, joerg is still sleepy :p |
| 13:59.16 | SpeedEvil | pies Dave. |
| 13:59.20 | Dave | :D |
| 13:59.28 | SpeedEvil | (lemon) |
| 13:59.30 | Dave | Speedevil, cherry, preferably :) |
| 13:59.33 | Dave | Aww :[ |
| 13:59.34 | Sargun_screen | I'm tired. |
| 13:59.37 | Sargun_screen | err, wrong window. |
| 13:59.44 | Sargun_screen | purchases an OpenMoko. |
| 13:59.59 | Dave | openvoodoo? |
| 14:00.04 | Sargun_screen | SpeedEvil: Would you accept money to develop small hardware hacks/software hacks |
| 14:00.21 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 14:00.26 | Dave | :D |
| 14:01.05 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: hardware mainly - I've not been doing as much software as I should over the past bit, so my skills are weak. |
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| 14:01.38 | Dave | Your powers are weak, old man! |
| 14:01.39 | Sargun_screen | hm, I'm pretty happy with the OpenMoko hardware. |
| 14:01.47 | Sargun_screen | Have you looked at the GSM chip? |
| 14:01.54 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: in what manner? |
| 14:01.57 | Dave | I could still stand to be pimped out, or modified. |
| 14:02.18 | SpeedEvil | drills a hole in Dave, and adds a subwoofer. |
| 14:02.26 | Dave | :D |
| 14:02.51 | mjr | :D |
| 14:03.17 | Tanuva | wants one, too |
| 14:03.28 | Dave | offer him money |
| 14:03.30 | Dave | or pie, or something |
| 14:03.32 | Tanuva | *g* |
| 14:03.50 | Tanuva | but much more than hat - a 2.5mm->3.5mm-adapter >.< |
| 14:03.59 | Dave | Actually, the way today's economy is going, would you consider flour, wheat, or corn as acceptable forms of payment, speedevil? |
| 14:04.01 | SpeedEvil | Tanuva: ebay |
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| 14:04.18 | Dave | tanuva, easy, if your mfc conforms to some sort of standard spec :D |
| 14:04.24 | SpeedEvil | Dave: I need to diet anyway, so no :) |
| 14:04.26 | Tanuva | I thought about soldering it myself since I dont want to pay 8⬠for a tiny bit of plastic and copper... |
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| 14:04.34 | Dave | Speedevil, aww. |
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| 14:04.39 | SpeedEvil | Tanuva: they are really cheap on ebay |
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| 14:04.58 | Dave | like $0.01 with $9.99 shipping :P |
| 14:05.04 | Dave | isn't that what they always are ;) |
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| 14:05.10 | notspeakenglish | ewweqqw |
| 14:05.16 | Tanuva | the data cable for my N3510i was like that |
| 14:05.22 | Dave | stabs notspeakenglish |
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| 14:05.32 | notspeakenglish | Dave: ewieis (f-u-c-k-y-o-u) |
| 14:05.44 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: cheaper generally. |
| 14:05.52 | notspeakenglish | ewepotg |
| 14:05.52 | notspeakenglish | sdf |
| 14:05.52 | notspeakenglish | fsd |
| 14:05.53 | notspeakenglish | dfs |
| 14:05.53 | notspeakenglish | f |
| 14:05.53 | notspeakenglish | fg |
| 14:05.55 | notspeakenglish | gfjkwealsdjklsdakösd |
| 14:05.57 | notspeakenglish | fekjlsdfkaÃSLÃ |
| 14:05.58 | Dave | Bye, notspeakenglish. |
| 14:05.59 | notspeakenglish | SDJKLDFJKLDSL |
| 14:06.02 | Tanuva | I think one of us wants to leave... |
| 14:06.14 | notspeakenglish | weffwdsf |
| 14:06.15 | notspeakenglish | ds |
| 14:06.15 | notspeakenglish | fds |
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| 14:06.15 | notspeakenglish | sd |
| 14:06.17 | notspeakenglish | sdsd |
| 14:06.19 | notspeakenglish | dsf |
| 14:06.21 | notspeakenglish | ds |
| 14:06.25 | notspeakenglish | d |
| 14:06.27 | notspeakenglish | sfd |
| 14:06.27 | Tanuva | no op here? |
| 14:06.29 | notspeakenglish | sfd |
| 14:06.31 | notspeakenglish | sf |
| 14:06.33 | notspeakenglish | dfs |
| 14:06.35 | notspeakenglish | sdf |
| 14:06.37 | notspeakenglish | dsf |
| 14:06.39 | notspeakenglish | sdf |
| 14:06.45 | notspeakenglish | sdf |
| 14:06.48 | Gottox | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.49 | notspeakenglish | sf |
| 14:06.51 | notspeakenglish | dsf |
| 14:06.53 | notspeakenglish | g |
| 14:06.55 | notspeakenglish | gh |
| 14:06.57 | notspeakenglish | h |
| 14:06.58 | Tanuva | human gets tired, doesnt even change the letters anymore |
| 14:06.59 | notspeakenglish | uzk |
| 14:07.01 | notspeakenglish | fg |
| 14:07.03 | notspeakenglish | fg |
| 14:07.05 | notspeakenglish | hrt |
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| 14:07.07 | notspeakenglish | we |
| 14:07.09 | notspeakenglish | ergfd |
| 14:07.11 | notspeakenglish | ghr |
| 14:07.13 | notspeakenglish | esdffdskflöasdfksdflsdö |
| 14:07.15 | Dave | Yeah alright |
| 14:07.15 | notspeakenglish | f-u-c-k-o-p-e-n-m-o-k-o |
| 14:07.17 | SpeedEvil | wishes he had ops. |
| 14:07.17 | notspeakenglish | asdqwdw |
| 14:07.19 | notspeakenglish | asddas+üdüqd |
| 14:07.21 | notspeakenglish | sadffd |
| 14:07.22 | mjr | too |
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| 14:07.23 | notspeakenglish | wawe |
| 14:07.25 | notspeakenglish | dsdsklfdöklöwe |
| 14:07.25 | Dave | Let me see if I remember my op pass |
| 14:07.27 | notspeakenglish | dsjkljw# |
| 14:07.27 | Tanuva | is blessing /ignore |
| 14:07.28 | Kheldar | hello |
| 14:07.29 | notspeakenglish | f-u-c-k-y-o-u-a-l-l |
| 14:07.44 | notspeakenglish | Dave: djiweo (y-o-u-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-o-f-s-h-i-t) |
| 14:07.47 | Tanuva | ehlo Kheldar |
| 14:08.12 | notspeakenglish | Tanuva: ewioei (a-s-s-h-o-l-e) |
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| 14:08.24 | kiba | is Ruby ported to OpenMoko yet? |
| 14:08.27 | Kheldar | I have an error on wiki, doesn't seem too bad, but I hope I didn't break too many things |
| 14:08.39 | SpeedEvil | A database error? |
| 14:08.43 | Kheldar | Incorrect key file for table './wikidb/searchindex.MYI'; try to repair it (localhost) |
| 14:08.43 | notspeakenglish | ewioew |
| 14:08.44 | notspeakenglish | we |
| 14:08.44 | notspeakenglish | ewe |
| 14:08.44 | notspeakenglish | ew |
| 14:08.44 | notspeakenglish | ewew |
| 14:08.46 | SpeedEvil | I had one of those last night. |
| 14:08.46 | notspeakenglish | ewdxuuzuio |
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| 14:09.01 | Kheldar | so I suppose it doesn't like something like my charset? |
| 14:09.02 | SpeedEvil | Saying something like error n something. |
| 14:09.13 | Kheldar | 126 |
| 14:09.18 | Tanuva | ah, SpeedEvil, do you know anything about python-pygst getting lost from the repository? :/ |
| 14:09.22 | SpeedEvil | What error? |
| 14:09.23 | Sargun_screen | SpeedEvil: What about something like writing a GSM sniffer? |
| 14:09.26 | Kheldar | error 126 |
| 14:09.29 | notspeakenglish | SpeedEvil: weizt (y-o-u-h-a-v-e-t-h-e-a-s-s-o-p-e-n) |
| 14:09.30 | SpeedEvil | Tanuva: I know absolutely nothing. |
| 14:09.43 | Tanuva | thats not much |
| 14:09.45 | Tanuva | :) |
| 14:09.45 | Sargun_screen | I know its evil, but just hypothetically, do you know how do that? |
| 14:10.09 | Sargun_screen | It'd either make the FR sell like hot cakes, or have the FCC shut it down |
| 14:10.09 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: $20K++. Deeply not fun to develop. |
| 14:10.17 | notspeakenglish | qqeweer |
| 14:10.20 | notspeakenglish | oiziouzoiuuouio |
| 14:10.26 | Dave | heehee |
| 14:10.30 | notspeakenglish | iunderzbgffgmnmgf kuzfu dsioewi? |
| 14:10.34 | Sargun_screen | You can buy one market toda for like 2.5k |
| 14:10.35 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: GSM sniffing can't be done by a normal phone anyway very well. |
| 14:10.42 | Sargun_screen | SpeedEvil: No, no it can't |
| 14:10.54 | notspeakenglish | qwiwqo ewioxoi qiowq!!! |
| 14:11.02 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: simply as it's onby got one radio. |
| 14:11.13 | Sargun_screen | but since you have access to the RF stuff directly, and the GSM chipset's microcode spec |
| 14:11.23 | Dave | hot |
| 14:11.23 | Sargun_screen | Oh, yeah, GSM is TDMA, right? |
| 14:11.30 | Kheldar | the method failing is SearchMySQL4::update |
| 14:11.33 | *** part/#openmoko benlake_ (n=benlake@c-98-201-153-180.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 14:11.36 | notspeakenglish | Dave: dskweioewu (y-o-u-a-r-e-s-o-n-o-f-a-b-i-t-c-h) |
| 14:12.01 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: doesn't mean the chip has enough horsepower to decode it all in realtime. Or that the radio can record more than one channel. |
| 14:12.05 | notspeakenglish | weiweew |
| 14:12.05 | notspeakenglish | tr |
| 14:12.06 | notspeakenglish | uz |
| 14:12.06 | notspeakenglish | o |
| 14:12.06 | notspeakenglish | iozü |
| 14:12.07 | notspeakenglish | oil |
| 14:12.08 | notspeakenglish | , |
| 14:12.10 | notspeakenglish | htd |
| 14:12.12 | notspeakenglish | tz |
| 14:12.14 | notspeakenglish | he |
| 14:12.16 | notspeakenglish | tzhz |
| 14:12.18 | notspeakenglish | t |
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| 14:12.28 | notspeakenglish | g |
| 14:12.30 | notspeakenglish | dh |
| 14:12.32 | notspeakenglish | tr |
| 14:12.34 | notspeakenglish | ujz |
| 14:12.36 | notspeakenglish | ulösdöä?=???! |
| 14:12.38 | notspeakenglish | wqw |
| 14:12.40 | notspeakenglish | qw |
| 14:12.42 | notspeakenglish | q |
| 14:12.44 | notspeakenglish | w |
| 14:12.45 | Dave | lame. |
| 14:12.46 | notspeakenglish | q |
| 14:12.48 | notspeakenglish | we |
| 14:12.50 | notspeakenglish | q |
| 14:12.51 | Dave | notspeakenglish, please stop that. |
| 14:12.52 | notspeakenglish | eqw |
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| 14:12.54 | notspeakenglish | wepü+ |
| 14:12.56 | notspeakenglish | ziuhgfd |
| 14:12.58 | notspeakenglish | gfd |
| 14:13.00 | notspeakenglish | fg |
| 14:13.02 | notspeakenglish | jzhjjöäsöä |
| 14:13.04 | notspeakenglish | dslköfsdkfweou |
| 14:13.06 | notspeakenglish | dsekllöl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:13.08 | notspeakenglish | Dave: Fuck your motha. |
| 14:13.15 | Dave | Yes, I can see that. |
| 14:13.16 | Dave | :) |
| 14:13.32 | notspeakenglish | wqwqpüeqw |
| 14:13.32 | notspeakenglish | tru |
| 14:13.33 | notspeakenglish | ei |
| 14:13.33 | notspeakenglish | o |
| 14:13.33 | notspeakenglish | iupzioü |
| 14:13.34 | notspeakenglish | -z. |
| 14:13.35 | notspeakenglish | j |
| 14:13.37 | notspeakenglish | f |
| 14:13.37 | Dave | Yes, clearly. |
| 14:13.39 | notspeakenglish | g |
| 14:13.41 | notspeakenglish | sf |
| 14:13.42 | mjr | wonders about the kind of disturbed psyche that is notspeakenglish |
| 14:13.43 | notspeakenglish | ghfe |
| 14:13.44 | Dave | You have been warned multiple times, notspeakenglish. |
| 14:13.45 | notspeakenglish | agdfgjlkdflh |
| 14:13.48 | notspeakenglish | saklqwjkqkldjk ASSHOLES |
| 14:13.48 | Dave | Please enjoy your ride. |
| 14:14.29 | Xaos | notspeakenglish: IP address 91.135.163.67 |
| 14:14.47 | Dave | Bye :) |
| 14:14.48 | trickie | yey |
| 14:15.04 | mjr | Xaos, seems like a web irc |
| 14:15.10 | Dave | It is. |
| 14:15.21 | Dave | jirc is lame |
| 14:15.34 | *** join/#openmoko dtx (n=dtx@ip-64-58-38-18.static.formysite.com) |
| 14:15.43 | Dave | Anyway, where were we? :) |
| 14:15.50 | Xaos | yep |
| 14:15.52 | Dave | Illicit freerunner modifications? |
| 14:15.57 | Dave | and paying speedevil? |
| 14:16.14 | Sargun_screen | Uhm. |
| 14:16.16 | Sargun_screen | eah |
| 14:16.16 | Dave | Hello Xaos :) |
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| 14:16.33 | dtx | Hi everybody |
| 14:16.37 | Dave | Greetings |
| 14:16.41 | Xaos | hey...pretty busy this morning, so I'll be not paying as much attention here... |
| 14:16.42 | njan | heya. :) |
| 14:16.43 | Sargun_screen | See, hardware mods are something I've stayed far away from. |
| 14:16.51 | Dave | njan, howdy. |
| 14:16.59 | Dave | What can I do for you? |
| 14:17.09 | njan | Dave, just passing through, thanks. :) |
| 14:17.19 | mjr | wonder if they'd fork over the client ip, then inform his provider of abuse... |
| 14:17.23 | Dave | No problem, James :) |
| 14:17.40 | Dave | mjr, nah. |
| 14:17.52 | Dave | mjr, just ask speedy to ready another pie ;) |
| 14:18.01 | Dave | Mmm... IP pie. |
| 14:18.45 | Dave | can just hear the notorious q3a HUMILIATION soundbyte playing after getting hit in the face by that, earlier. |
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| 14:20.18 | Dave | Anyhow, I'm still looking forward to running zork on openmoko |
| 14:20.48 | dtx | not without a better keyboard I'm not |
| 14:20.48 | dtx | hehe |
| 14:20.57 | SpeedEvil | has run nethack. |
| 14:20.57 | Dave | haha right right |
| 14:21.00 | Dave | I'm planning on porting it |
| 14:21.00 | SpeedEvil | It was silly. |
| 14:21.23 | Dave | With a simple control interface, since the input blows :) |
| 14:21.26 | Dave | Just a thought anyway |
| 14:21.31 | Dave | speedevil, haha yeah :P |
| 14:21.40 | Dave | that and running irc off it were my first tasks |
| 14:21.45 | retracile | GPS newbie question: Do you have to be sitting still for the GPS stuff to initialize? |
| 14:21.55 | SpeedEvil | it's better |
| 14:22.11 | SpeedEvil | the software may find it hard to init at higher speeds. |
| 14:22.15 | Dave | About five minutes or less into either I said, wow, this is very unamazing, and quit :) |
| 14:22.16 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1c862ac216e4 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (modems/abstract/mediator.py objects.py): |
| 14:22.16 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetAuthCodeRequired() -> b and |
| 14:22.16 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.SetAuthCodeRequired( b:enable, s:pin ) -> () |
| 14:22.16 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1fe991ee47b9 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE]: Neptune does not implement CREG. |
| 14:22.19 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r82b51439dd84 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: ogsmd: some more ISUP release causes |
| 14:22.21 | SpeedEvil | And won't init at all over 60000 feet, and 1000 knotss. |
| 14:22.22 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * radbbcb55b4ab 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: send auth code signal also after delivering a PUK |
| 14:22.23 | *** join/#openmoko RichiH (i=richih@freenode/staff/richih) |
| 14:22.25 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r82a72f6ad8ef 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: make GetHomeZones() a bit more robust against empty answers from SIM |
| 14:22.28 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rff5ddf91ec5b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: even more robustness |
| 14:22.33 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rccbfcb9cc25b 10/otapi/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: rename and fix API of (now) org.freesmartphone.SIM.{Get|Set}AuthCodeRequired() |
| 14:22.44 | RichiH | pets apt |
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| 14:22.56 | Dave | It worked at 35000 feet :) |
| 14:23.03 | RichiH | !botsnack |
| 14:23.04 | cdbot2 | devours the botsnack |
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| 14:23.14 | Dave | apt: botsnack |
| 14:23.14 | apt | aw, gee, Dave |
| 14:23.17 | Dave | :) |
| 14:23.18 | njan | RichiH, you're late, the party's all gone :P |
| 14:23.27 | Dave | Yeah, sorry to disappoint you guys :) |
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| 14:23.40 | Dave | You're welcome to stay for tea later though :) |
| 14:23.51 | retracile | SpeedEvil: thanks |
| 14:23.55 | Sargun_screen | SpeedEvil: I assume you understand the Wolfson stuff? |
| 14:24.13 | Dave | hey retracile :) |
| 14:24.27 | retracile | hey Dave. what's up? |
| 14:24.49 | Dave | Just considering naughty freerunner modifications and applications to be ported :P |
| 14:25.02 | Sargun_screen | SpeedEvil: I know there was an effort to write a better way to set states on the wolfson |
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| 14:25.59 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: I understand the concept. I have not internalised all the mixer names. |
| 14:27.22 | Sargun_screen | Alright, what about the GFX processor? |
| 14:27.29 | Sargun_screen | How much do you understand that? |
| 14:27.39 | SpeedEvil | Very little - it's NDAd, and nobodys DCCd me the specs. |
| 14:27.49 | SpeedEvil | General terms only. |
| 14:28.13 | kiba | is anybody porting Ruby to OpenMoko? |
| 14:28.17 | kiba | is ruby ported? |
| 14:29.10 | SpeedEvil | I think I recall someone running ruby. |
| 14:29.14 | Sargun_screen | Well, do you think you could contribute to reverse engineering it? |
| 14:29.24 | Sargun_screen | I know someone compiled it themselves |
| 14:29.30 | kiba | is SDL ported? |
| 14:29.40 | balrog-k1n | kiba: yes, various games use it |
| 14:29.57 | SpeedEvil | google ruby openmoko |
| 14:30.13 | kiba | Good. |
| 14:30.38 | kiba | If ruby can run on openmoko, than I can think about writing games for it |
| 14:30.54 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: reverse engineering without code or specs is almost impossible. |
| 14:31.00 | kiba | 100% free software of course :) |
| 14:31.18 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: and the accel chip has problems anyway. |
| 14:31.20 | mjr | SpeedEvil, balrog-k1n had some windows binary driver for it iirc... |
| 14:31.34 | Sargun_screen | SpeedEvil: OT, what do you think about the Atom? |
| 14:32.34 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: not very interesting for mobiles. |
| 14:32.58 | Sargun_screen | Really? You don't think it'll hit cellphones and PDAs? |
| 14:33.09 | SpeedEvil | No - too high power. |
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| 14:33.55 | SpeedEvil | You're looking at maybe 1.5-5W for a system power. |
| 14:34.04 | Sargun_screen | Isn't it supposed to be power competitive with the Xscales? |
| 14:34.11 | Dave | :) |
| 14:34.17 | Dave | balrogkun ^^ |
| 14:34.17 | SpeedEvil | Maybe 4-20 times the power of the ARM device in the freerunner. |
| 14:35.41 | Sargun_screen | whoa |
| 14:35.58 | Sargun_screen | Well, you're getting rid of the GPU, and the Wifi chip |
| 14:36.14 | Kheldar | ha, nethack runs on freerunner? |
| 14:36.27 | SpeedEvil | Kheldar: it can - input is not sensible though. |
| 14:36.34 | Kheldar | :s |
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| 14:37.31 | Kheldar | i guess breaking down doors is dangerous enough with a standard keyboard (says the guy that broke a merchant door from the inside) |
| 14:38.22 | Sargun_screen | SpeedEvil: Looking here, it says that the lowest power usage Atom is .65W |
| 14:38.28 | Sargun_screen | .65,2,2.5 |
| 14:38.31 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: that's the chip only |
| 14:38.35 | Sargun_screen | s/2.4/2.5/ |
| 14:38.39 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: it doesn't count RAM |
| 14:38.41 | Sargun_screen | Oh, you mean including the chipset? |
| 14:39.09 | Sargun_screen | you were giving that 4-20x figure with RAM... |
| 14:39.09 | Sargun_screen | Ah. |
| 14:39.15 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if it requires another chipset. |
| 14:39.21 | Sargun_screen | It does |
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| 14:39.36 | SpeedEvil | No - 4-20 was assuming about double that power, ajd the 0.6-2.5W number |
| 14:40.00 | Sargun_screen | It'd be neat to do a UMPC/Phone based on Atom |
| 14:40.27 | Kheldar | oh, yes, then you cold run XP on it :) |
| 14:40.28 | Sargun_screen | considering the benefits of X86 (coding), the fact its intel (very open), and they are fairly fast chips. |
| 14:40.40 | SpeedEvil | benefits of x86... |
| 14:40.57 | Sargun_screen | As in there are a lot more X86 coders than ARM coders. |
| 14:41.17 | dtx | There are many many more C coders than assembler coders |
| 14:41.24 | Sargun_screen | and compiling code is easier, additionally certain libraries that are available only for X86 |
| 14:41.49 | dtx | why is compiling code easier? |
| 14:41.53 | Kheldar | thinks this seems like an "already seen" argument |
| 14:41.53 | dtx | It works exactly the same |
| 14:42.10 | Sargun_screen | dtx: No Cross-compilation environment |
| 14:42.10 | Dave | :] |
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| 14:42.24 | dtx | You don't have to use cross-compilation |
| 14:42.25 | Sargun_screen | My employer ported a bunch of X86 code to ARM (more like just a recompile) |
| 14:42.38 | Sargun_screen | and we noticed some occasional oddities |
| 14:43.03 | retracile | endianness issues perhaps? |
| 14:43.06 | dtx | he might need to review his code quality then |
| 14:43.14 | dtx | no offense |
| 14:43.18 | dtx | C is C |
| 14:43.19 | Sargun_screen | retracile: ARM is little endian |
| 14:43.25 | retracile | Sargun_screen: not always |
| 14:43.39 | Sargun_screen | retracile: For the stuff we were dealing with it was. |
| 14:43.50 | Sargun_screen | It was mostly Xscales. |
| 14:43.53 | retracile | Sargun_screen: At least some of them can run little or big, based on software config. |
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| 14:44.10 | Sargun_screen | dtx: a couple million lines of C... |
| 14:44.20 | Sargun_screen | that have been optimized for X86 |
| 14:45.33 | balrog-k1n | Xscale can switch between little and big too, but linux uses LE |
| 14:46.49 | Sargun_screen | WinCE is little. |
| 14:46.49 | Sargun_screen | our code dooesnt rrun on big endian systems |
| 14:47.01 | Dave | rut roh |
| 14:47.19 | dtx | So there is some asm in there? |
| 14:47.42 | Sargun_screen | Nopw |
| 14:47.46 | Sargun_screen | all C |
| 14:48.15 | Sargun_screen | the code us a geospatial aalysis library |
| 14:48.40 | Dave | :) |
| 14:48.46 | Sargun_screen | some of the underlying portions of the data seriaalization stuff are little endian |
| 14:48.50 | Dave | oh shit, thanks for reminding me sargun |
| 14:49.03 | Dave | I need to finish setting up my postgis tday |
| 14:49.25 | Sargun_screen | additionally there is some interesting code, that I can't divulge how it works |
| 14:49.36 | Dave | black magic? :D |
| 14:49.47 | Sargun_screen | basically |
| 14:49.50 | Dave | ;) |
| 14:50.03 | Sargun_screen | ex-CTO was genius-like |
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| 14:50.16 | Dave | :))) |
| 14:50.51 | Dave | Awesome :D |
| 14:50.52 | Dave | and dabbled in the black arts it would seem too :p |
| 14:50.52 | SpeedEvil | Genius-like and not writing endian-free code. |
| 14:50.54 | Sargun_screen | I can fit a navigable map in half-a-gig because of him |
| 14:51.36 | SpeedEvil | That's not really hard. |
| 14:51.49 | SpeedEvil | I've got some prototype code to do that with slices of OSM |
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| 14:52.08 | Sargun_screen | SpeedEvil: do it, and you'll be rich |
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| 14:53.06 | retracile | a navigable map of what? |
| 14:53.19 | Sargun_screen | the world |
| 14:53.47 | retracile | to what level of detail? |
| 14:53.52 | Sargun_screen | that's a high leve' navigablity (pri 345) |
| 14:54.12 | Sargun_screen | low level nav half-a-gig=USA |
| 14:54.47 | Sargun_screen | also, you have to maje data retreval - routing, etc fast |
| 14:55.10 | torpor | anyone know where the pulseaudio cli tool is located in openmoko? or is it even there any kore? |
| 14:55.16 | Dave | umpossible |
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| 14:56.25 | Dave | torpor, it is located in /usr/bin but you can start/stop it with /etc/init.d/pulseaudio |
| 14:56.45 | torpor | yeah but i want the pacmd cli .. |
| 14:57.03 | Dave | oh |
| 14:57.09 | torpor | i guess pacmd isn't in openmoko any more .. |
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| 14:59.28 | torpor | can someone here who has a recent makefile config setup look to see what package pacmd is in? |
| 14:59.44 | torpor | it shouldb e part of the pulseaudio suite, but i can't see it in any repo;s and i don't have my OM development system here today.. |
| 14:59.47 | torpor | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.12 | Sargun_screen | SpeedEvil: is there a doc breaking down hardware cost |
| 15:00.31 | Dave | pulseaudio-module-cli ? |
| 15:00.33 | zilux | torpor: in pulseaudio-misc |
| 15:00.52 | torpor | thanks! |
| 15:01.14 | torpor | wish i'd figured that out myself. ;) |
| 15:01.20 | Dave | :D |
| 15:01.32 | Dave | next time, use opkg:P |
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| 15:02.41 | dtx | I wish sox was packaged up so we could do some nice audio processing without having to code anything up, to get an idea of its performance |
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| 15:02.52 | torpor | does opkg have some magic that allows me to find the cmds stuffed in packages not yet instealled? |
| 15:02.56 | torpor | dtx: yeah me too |
| 15:02.56 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: hardware cost? |
| 15:03.00 | Dave | Yes |
| 15:03.05 | torpor | though sox is really a bad example of performant audio |
| 15:03.18 | torpor | i'd prefer it if we had CHUCK onboard or perhaps puredata |
| 15:03.20 | Dave | who said anything about performance :D |
| 15:03.26 | dtx | well, but its a good example of flexibility :-P |
| 15:03.34 | torpor | dave: dtx did. |
| 15:03.36 | Dave | simplicity, or convenience |
| 15:03.39 | Dave | heh |
| 15:03.40 | Sargun_screen | SpeedEvil: breaking down cost of every component (in percentage, since I assume cost is NDA) |
| 15:03.41 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: oh |
| 15:03.41 | torpor | CHUCK would be better |
| 15:03.48 | Dave | I think he was referring to the questionable performance of the freerunner |
| 15:03.48 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: no - not in there |
| 15:03.48 | Dave | :p |
| 15:03.52 | Dave | not the audio per se |
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| 15:04.06 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: I mean - no. |
| 15:04.07 | torpor | well either way i'm working on a softsynth for the freerunner now that i've got one to test with! |
| 15:04.16 | Dave | hot |
| 15:04.24 | torpor | and i want to add g_midi and g_audio to the system too, so we can plug in the freerunner, get audio inputs/outputs, and midi too.. |
| 15:04.25 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: it's possible to make reasonable guesses. |
| 15:04.26 | dtx | torpor: what are you using? |
| 15:04.28 | Dave | damn soc |
| 15:04.42 | torpor | dtx: using? to code it? plain ol' C and pulseaudio |
| 15:05.00 | dtx | torpor: oh you are literally making a new softsynth? |
| 15:05.03 | torpor | i put the project on hold about 6 months ago when my neo1973 started having problems, and now i'm picking it back up again. |
| 15:05.06 | torpor | dtx:yes |
| 15:05.37 | torpor | just a little standard monosynth, 2xOSC,2xFilter, 2xEG. |
| 15:05.39 | torpor | etc. |
| 15:05.41 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: off-hand, I'd guess 15% LCD, 20% CPU+SOC+glue 3% bluetooth, 5% wifi, 15% GSM, 10% GPS |
| 15:05.42 | dtx | topor: are you basing it off any of the soft synths out there? |
| 15:05.44 | rwhitby | torpor: my GTA02 came briefly to life today, but is now on strike again for some reason |
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| 15:06.01 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: then 5% case - though how you cost that depends on how you amortise it. |
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| 15:06.13 | torpor | dtx: no, my own design, i used to do this for a living now its jut a hobby |
| 15:06.20 | Xaos | gotta bail...virus infection at work...yippee |
| 15:06.21 | torpor | rwhitby: thats sad to hear, you should have a working phone damnit. |
| 15:06.35 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: got a voltmeter? |
| 15:06.36 | rwhitby | torpor: i have a working Treo650 and a working GTA01 |
| 15:06.51 | torpor | well a gta01 should be enough for you rwhitby !! |
| 15:06.52 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: you may have seen my exchanges on the kernel mailing list. |
| 15:07.04 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: I should really read that :( |
| 15:07.18 | torpor | okay, away now .. gotta head home. |
| 15:07.19 | torpor | later |
| 15:07.23 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: they got me to pop one of the cans to check for a capacitor underneath |
| 15:07.34 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 15:08.06 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: thread starts at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-July/003916.html |
| 15:08.14 | kd8ikt | i feel like farting with pyGTK |
| 15:08.17 | dtx | torpor: check out Aldrin, it would be awesome to get any synths you make integrated into that |
| 15:08.55 | rwhitby | can popping pic is at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/attachments/20080721/b348f79c/attachment-0001.png |
| 15:09.01 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right - had read that - hadn't put nick and email together. |
| 15:09.17 | SpeedEvil | Oooh! Naked PCB porn. |
| 15:09.32 | Dave | naughty :p |
| 15:09.37 | rwhitby | I got it to boot twice in a row, and even flashed the latest u-boot, and it booted once after that, but no more tonight. |
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| 15:09.54 | Yasumoto | kd8ikt: lemme know when you get it setup, if you don't mind |
| 15:10.25 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: :< |
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| 15:11.51 | Dave | rwhitby, weird |
| 15:12.08 | Sargun_screen | SpeedEvil: I wonder if it would be cheaper to go with some of the all-in-one atheros processors |
| 15:12.24 | rwhitby | Sargun_screen: none of them meet the openness requirement |
| 15:12.27 | Sargun_screen | well, CPU, wifi |
| 15:12.35 | Sargun_screen | hm |
| 15:13.07 | kd8ikt | from what i understand of python everythin is already setup, one just needs to make some apps |
| 15:13.13 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Python |
| 15:13.20 | Dave | :D |
| 15:13.23 | Dave | I must learn this! |
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| 15:13.42 | Dave | I could never find any decent documentation about the miscellany of API |
| 15:13.47 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: Broadly - there are no easy answers. |
| 15:14.26 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: there does not seem to be a magic open easy-to-use high performance low-power small cheap well documented chip that's out there. |
| 15:14.48 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: often two or three of these have to be compromised. |
| 15:15.09 | Sargun_screen | choose one right? |
| 15:15.31 | Sargun_screen | low-powered, perfomant, open |
| 15:15.32 | Dave | The easy solution would be if you had a lot of money and a bunch of monkeys :) |
| 15:15.48 | Sargun_screen | er, s/open/cheap/ |
| 15:15.50 | rwhitby | then you'd get an iphone |
| 15:16.06 | Dave | low-powered, high-performance, well documented, sounds like proprietary high-price electronics to me ;) |
| 15:16.08 | Sargun_screen | yeah |
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| 15:16.26 | Dave | thinks Sony |
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| 15:17.25 | Dave | Hello pwnguin |
| 15:17.27 | pwnguin | hi |
| 15:17.55 | pwnguin | were you expecting me? or do you just greet all 400 people who enter the channel? ;) |
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| 15:18.36 | trampolando | hello, does anybody knows if freerunner is capable of playing music and video frm sd card? |
| 15:18.41 | Dave | :D |
| 15:18.52 | Dave | trampolando, perhaps some day :) |
| 15:19.33 | GoldenHawk | trampolando: Capable, yes. Depends on how practical you need it to be. I'm sure before long there will be very sophisticated audio playing software. |
| 15:19.40 | GoldenHawk | But for now I think it's largely manual or hacky. |
| 15:19.51 | trampolando | ok thank you |
| 15:20.07 | dtx | why does moko not come with pygame available |
| 15:20.15 | GoldenHawk | Then again there's very little that's not manual and hacky on the phone thusfar :p |
| 15:20.17 | dtx | seriously odd |
| 15:20.54 | Dave | Golenhawk, indeed :D |
| 15:21.46 | GoldenHawk | Can anyone help me out? I installed some software designed for 2007.2's GTK stuff on my ASU phone.. and it runs fine, but it's missing a lot of the spiffy graphics and icon theme stuff and the fonts are the wrong size and such. Does anyone know how to install the relevant stuff to get that visual style back? |
| 15:22.36 | retracile | GoldenHawk: I get wrong-sized fonts even on 2007.2. |
| 15:22.45 | kd8ikt | ifconfig usb0 down; fixed my problem with the moko not detecting wallcharger and charging (if in fact it truly wasnt charging) |
| 15:23.18 | kd8ikt | apm didnt say so so i gotta go with my gut feeling |
| 15:23.20 | GoldenHawk | retracile: Well everything's wrong on ASU.. it looks just like gnome stuff does on my linux PC.. windows style gray toolbars and such. |
| 15:23.36 | Dave | retracile :[ |
| 15:23.41 | GoldenHawk | retracile: Pretty much unusable since things are sized right off the screen. |
| 15:24.04 | Dave | :D |
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| 15:24.55 | retracile | In the agpsui thing, the 'Exit' is missing enough of the bottom of the letters that at first I thought it was "Fix" or something. |
| 15:25.09 | Dave | right |
| 15:25.11 | Dave | haha |
| 15:25.15 | Dave | silly retracile :p |
| 15:25.32 | DPThought | just woundering. Does pressing the button on the headset trigger any event? Or do have apps to constantly check for microphone line leves if they want to catch this event? How cpu intensive would that be? |
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| 15:25.45 | Blalien | hi all |
| 15:26.27 | Blalien | I have a problem right at the beginning. When the Neo is booted to the main screen it keeps asking for my PIN code. |
| 15:26.41 | Dave | haha |
| 15:26.46 | Dave | eh oh |
| 15:27.03 | Dave | Is it asking for your SIM PIN? |
| 15:27.12 | pwnguin | wonders if theres a GPG program for moko |
| 15:27.14 | dtx | DPThought: the signal is only amplified in the Wolfson chip and then passes the analog signal straight to the GSM module |
| 15:27.21 | dtx | right now |
| 15:27.23 | Blalien | Dave: Yeah |
| 15:27.30 | dtx | the SOC doesn't even see audio |
| 15:27.32 | pwnguin | encrypted SMS or voicemail |
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| 15:28.19 | Dave | Ah |
| 15:28.26 | Dave | Enter your SIM PIN? :P |
| 15:28.33 | Dave | Unless you don't know it :P |
| 15:29.01 | Chocky | knows nothing |
| 15:29.06 | Blalien | Dave: I continue entering it but the screen still continues to pop up |
| 15:29.10 | Dave | ;[ |
| 15:29.21 | Dave | And you are certain the PIN you are entering is correct? |
| 15:29.45 | Blalien | Dave: yeah I'm sure |
| 15:29.52 | Blalien | it's the same PIN as always |
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| 15:30.44 | Dave | :\ |
| 15:30.48 | DPThought | dtx: which is probably a good idea. Why bother the cpu with copying bits. But bad for detecting the button. I guess some simple circuit connected to one of the gpio pins could have been used to catch the button presses. Do you know if anything like that was built in? |
| 15:30.52 | Dave | Then the software must be broken :D |
| 15:31.17 | Blalien | Dave: Could it be that the the SIM isn't supported? |
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| 15:31.50 | bernt | Blalien: Do you have tested the sim card in an other phone? -- not that three times are gone with an error ... |
| 15:32.28 | Blalien | bernt: It works in my other phone |
| 15:33.04 | bernt | ;-) before or also after testing the neo? |
| 15:33.29 | Blalien | bernt: also after I tested it like 2 minutes ago in the other phone |
| 15:34.42 | Dave | :P |
| 15:34.51 | Dave | Blame the freerunner for everything! |
| 15:35.25 | Blalien | the phone hasn't charged an is not the outlet for power, does this have to do with it? |
| 15:35.36 | edistar | where can I get alsa-state-files for gta02? |
| 15:36.02 | bernt | Blalien: have tried to connect to the phone through usb? |
| 15:36.53 | kd8ikt | i just realized my sdcard isnt being detected with this firmware |
| 15:37.09 | Dave | lawl |
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| 15:37.42 | Blalien | bernt: I'm trying right now |
| 15:40.19 | Blalien | bernt: Are there Windows drivers? Or only Linux |
| 15:40.55 | Chocky | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Im-Dave,-Oh-Yeah!.aspx |
| 15:41.32 | bernt | dont know -- for linux there are some hints in the wiki ;-) |
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| 15:43.05 | Dave | oH YEah! |
| 15:44.54 | SpeedEvil | DPThought: it triggers an event |
| 15:45.06 | SpeedEvil | DPThought: but you have to wiggle the right pin. |
| 15:45.14 | Blalien | SpeedEvil: Is there a way to mount the Freerunner in Windows? |
| 15:45.16 | SpeedEvil | DPThought: and setup the mixer the right way. |
| 15:45.32 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: not with the tock config as I undertand it. |
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| 15:45.46 | SpeedEvil | stock |
| 15:46.17 | SpeedEvil | Several ways - samba, ... , usb-mass-storage gadget |
| 15:46.23 | Dave | whee |
| 15:46.45 | dtx | usb-mass-storage requires exclusive access to the controlling device (i.e. Windows) |
| 15:47.20 | SpeedEvil | dtx: I mean - setup the freerunner so that it preents as a mass storage device, not a network. |
| 15:47.21 | dtx | is there a uboot option for that? |
| 15:47.33 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 15:48.07 | dtx | There would have to be a small seperate running partition just to serve the main one out over usb (assuming FAT32 usage) |
| 15:48.47 | Weiss | Chocky: random question (excuse the randomness): are you the same Chocky who use to program on RISC OS? |
| 15:49.04 | bernt | in the wiki there is a page for the neo1973 -- should also work for the freerunner: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_and_Windows |
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| 15:50.28 | Chocky | yessir |
| 15:50.31 | kd8ikt | considers wifi + ssh/scp |
| 15:50.50 | kd8ikt | putty/winscp |
| 15:51.02 | kd8ikt | :P winblows |
| 15:51.21 | Chocky | rumbled. again! |
| 15:51.35 | dtx | why was I assuming FAT32 though |
| 15:51.42 | dtx | eh |
| 15:52.00 | Weiss | Chocky: :) (recognised your name from #riscos many years ago) |
| 15:52.15 | dtx | I know with the Zaurus it would serve up the SD card over usb-mass-storage |
| 15:52.19 | summatusmentis | http://gizmodo.com/5027195/star-wars-meets-classic-art |
| 15:52.51 | Blalien | bernt: But that's for ethernet emulation |
| 15:53.20 | Dave | that's riscy business, chocky :p |
| 15:53.41 | bernt | yes, and then you can ssh to the phone to test the sim ;-) |
| 15:53.47 | Chocky | yessir |
| 15:54.49 | Chocky | RISC OS was the first "real" OS to run on ARM. |
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| 15:55.12 | Chocky | indeed, ARM was designed as a desktop processor to run it. |
| 15:55.22 | Chocky | er, or something. I know that's cyclic. |
| 15:56.15 | Weiss | wonders how many other RISC OS types will end up around here |
| 15:56.39 | stephelton-work | my sms is not working \= i can't send or receive |
| 15:56.58 | kd8ikt | risc is arm eh? |
| 15:57.02 | Chocky | no |
| 15:57.17 | Chocky | "RISC" is a technology that exists in most processors these days |
| 15:57.18 | zash | r in arm = r from risc |
| 15:57.25 | Chocky | but ARM was one of the original RISC processors. |
| 15:57.32 | Chocky | the _OS_ is called "RISC OS". ktb. |
| 15:57.34 | zash | i think |
| 15:57.50 | zash | reduced instruction set something? |
| 15:58.00 | Weiss | zash: yes, ARM=Advanced RISC Machines |
| 15:58.16 | Chocky | likes how pepole continue guessing in the face of precise definitions. |
| 15:58.20 | kd8ikt | Reduced instruction set computer |
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| 15:59.06 | Chocky | RISC OS could probably run on FR, but I think, rather unlikely that someone would care enough to put in the effort for drivers. |
| 15:59.23 | Chocky | more likely Pandora or something, which has a real keyboard |
| 15:59.40 | SpeedEvil | The Baby was the first RISC computer. |
| 15:59.47 | Blalien | brent: Windows is unable to install the driver |
| 16:00.00 | Blalien | I think I could better try Linux |
| 16:00.17 | dtx | yeah |
| 16:00.23 | stephelton-work | my sms is not working \= i can't send or receive. are there any log files i might consult to see what's going on? |
| 16:00.27 | Chocky | SpeedEvil: yessir, but ARM was the first in a consumer computer. |
| 16:00.43 | SpeedEvil | ponders the LEO instruction set. |
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| 16:00.55 | Chocky | not PPC, as Apple would have you believe. |
| 16:01.08 | Dave | Eeeeeeeeeeeeeevil |
| 16:01.21 | Chocky | Deavvvvvvvvvvvvveil |
| 16:01.28 | Dave | >:D |
| 16:01.54 | Chocky | dammit. Monday morning. |
| 16:01.54 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: you're claiming the Lyons electronic office wasn't a consumer computer? |
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| 16:02.11 | Dave | c64 |
| 16:02.12 | Blalien | Is there a Live CD anyone could recommend? |
| 16:02.25 | Dave | knoppix, debian |
| 16:02.40 | Chocky | SpeedEvil: dunno. I guess I'd have to look that up. |
| 16:02.54 | kd8ikt | slax |
| 16:02.55 | Dave | Before your time, too? :P |
| 16:03.04 | kd8ikt | backtrack |
| 16:03.05 | Dave | irons kd8ikt |
| 16:03.14 | Chocky | Although in defence, I really meant "home computer", although there's much less of a distinction these days |
| 16:03.47 | Dave | defense? |
| 16:03.57 | Chocky | defends his typos. |
| 16:04.18 | kd8ikt | is that like deplane? |
| 16:04.18 | Dave | :O |
| 16:04.21 | SpeedEvil | (LEO was 1951, with significantly less power than most washing machine controllers today) |
| 16:04.26 | kd8ikt | get off the fence? |
| 16:04.27 | Chocky | it's embiggening |
| 16:04.32 | Chocky | getoffmylawn |
| 16:04.42 | Dave | You meddling kids! |
| 16:04.43 | kd8ikt | ROFL |
| 16:05.06 | Dave | SPANISH DOUBLOONS! |
| 16:05.21 | SpeedEvil | I can't seem to find a instruction set for LEO. |
| 16:05.22 | Chocky | well, many washing machine controllers these days are - guess what - ARM (AFAIR) |
| 16:05.33 | SpeedEvil | But it's going to be quite RISCy - due to the valve count. |
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| 16:05.35 | dtx | These comments are far from crommulent |
| 16:05.37 | Chocky | though probably many are lower power 68ks and such |
| 16:05.44 | Dave | Speedevil, have you considered the fact it might be a bit too antiquated? |
| 16:05.57 | kd8ikt | dude i want to interface my HVAC system with linux |
| 16:06.07 | Chocky | I want my LEM to run Linux. |
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| 16:06.48 | kd8ikt | Lunar Excursion Module? |
| 16:06.59 | Chocky | s/Lunar/Linux/ |
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| 16:07.52 | carrar | waits for a new release out of boardem |
| 16:08.04 | Dave | :D |
| 16:08.11 | Chocky | Was that a bad pun or bad spelling? |
| 16:08.14 | kd8ikt | is your SD card mounted with the 21 latest? |
| 16:08.23 | carrar | both! |
| 16:08.27 | *** part/#openmoko mwester (n=mwester@nslu2-linux/mwester) |
| 16:08.29 | Dave | SD == Space Destroyer? |
| 16:08.30 | Chocky | doesn't get the pun. |
| 16:08.40 | Chocky | Dave: backwards Death Star |
| 16:08.43 | Dave | star destroyer? |
| 16:08.45 | carrar | I was thinking of taking the phone over to ICOM and have them solder on a capacitor |
| 16:08.48 | Dave | all your base? |
| 16:09.09 | carrar | not sure I could talk them into that |
| 16:09.21 | *** part/#openmoko charlie137 (n=guillaum@220-136-176-76.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 16:09.22 | carrar | money can do amazing things |
| 16:09.31 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 16:09.40 | kd8ikt | yes it can |
| 16:09.56 | Chocky | Dave: so, I'm still confuzzled about the whole booting from ext3 thing. I have the latest u-boot which someone built for me. partition is ext3. I think the error is "bad magic" or somesuch with the uImage.bin. what am I missing? |
| 16:10.19 | carrar | any advantage to upgrading uboot? |
| 16:10.31 | *** part/#openmoko Menschenfresser (n=rgeider@212.9.227.182.iptelecom.net.ua) |
| 16:11.17 | *** part/#openmoko trampolando (n=issoglio@ubuntu.polito.it) |
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| 16:13.19 | Dave | pesky italians |
| 16:13.37 | Chocky | yes, but answer my question |
| 16:13.40 | Dave | chocky, you're saying the sd card is ext3? |
| 16:13.44 | Chocky | I am. |
| 16:13.47 | Dave | ah yeah |
| 16:13.50 | Dave | that's a known issue :p |
| 16:13.52 | Dave | among many |
| 16:14.11 | Chocky | I thought that had been fixx0red in the latest uboot. which is why I got it :o |
| 16:14.23 | Dave | hrm |
| 16:14.39 | Dave | yeah and the gps/sd bug was supposed to be fixed in teh latest kernel |
| 16:14.44 | Dave | so I updated, and surprise, it did nothing |
| 16:14.48 | Dave | So, :P~ |
| 16:14.50 | Chocky | heh. |
| 16:14.54 | Dave | don't believe everything you hear ;) |
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| 16:15.22 | Ainulindale | Dave: I updated, and it fixed it. |
| 16:15.25 | Chocky | dammit Dave, don't make me look at the u-boot source :o |
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| 16:16.02 | Dave | Didn't for me |
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| 16:17.13 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rdeab4bcaa46f 10/packages/u-boot/u-boot-mkimage-openmoko-native_oe.bb: [u-boot] Fix recipe parsing after the removal of the other u-boot recipes |
| 16:17.32 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r3cb0e51a70a1 10/packages/efl1/efreet_cvs.bb: [efl] Package efreet-trash separately to keep having a libefreet0 |
| 16:17.33 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb79444193128 10/packages/efl1/efreet_cvs.bb: [efl] To avoid future issues also set the LEAD_SONAME |
| 16:17.33 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1231a9d598e3 10/classes/sanity.bbclass: sanity.bbclass: Add check for problematic /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr values |
| 16:17.34 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6f11296d1bdf 10/classes/sanity.bbclass: [sanity] Move the mmap_min_addr check out of arch == arm as ecj-initial fails |
| 16:17.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r412891c610e4 10/packages/gtk-webcore/midori_0.0.17.bb: [midori] Force linking to supc++ to avoid undefined symbols |
| 16:17.40 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * raf29ac026bf8 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Remove qtopia-phone as it does not build (gta02) |
| 16:17.40 | Chocky | spam! |
| 16:17.43 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2546d133dd96 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add the critical minicom application to the feed |
| 16:17.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra9c751e2df5d 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add a good editor to the feed |
| 16:17.51 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mail 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r94eef6027688 10/packages/u-boot/u-boot-openmoko_1.3.2rc2+git.bb: [u-boot-openmoko] Build u-boot from the Openmoko git repository |
| 16:17.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r12fb766bf920 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [u-boot-openmoko] Clean up, move the git rev to sane-srcrevs |
| 16:17.59 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4d5ec20e39cf 10/packages/u-boot/ (3 files): [u-boot-openmoko] Remove the old svn recipes |
| 16:18.02 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd237d8b42514 10/packages/u-boot/u-boot-mkimage-openmoko-native_oe.bb: [u-boot] Fix recipe parsing after the removal of the other u-boot recipes |
| 16:18.14 | Chocky | more u-boot hacking |
| 16:19.10 | Chocky | boss got BMW towed. rotflcopter. |
| 16:19.14 | kd8ikt | both work fine for me, or atleast did now with the latest 20080721 my sdcard isnt being detected/mounted |
| 16:19.34 | mmontour | Chocky: make sure that your kernel file is at the same path that's specified in the u-boot "fatload" command (e.g. /uImage.bin). From the u-boot console, you can try "mmcinit" then "ext2ls mmc 1" to see if you can see the file |
| 16:19.56 | mmontour | s/fatload/ext2load |
| 16:20.04 | Chocky | right. |
| 16:20.24 | Chocky | hrms at USB u-boot console. |
| 16:20.50 | Chocky | wonder if my laptop kernel is missing some option. |
| 16:21.10 | mmontour | you need the cdc_acm driver |
| 16:21.16 | Chocky | aye |
| 16:22.33 | GoldenHawk | Does anyone know how to use the GTK theme from 2007.2 on ASU? |
| 16:23.28 | GoldenHawk | I tried adding GTK2_RC_FILES="/usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc" and it came out looking different but not the same |
| 16:23.36 | GoldenHawk | As 2007.2 |
| 16:25.02 | Blalien | Dave: The T-Mobile SIM card of my father works... So I'm going to update the software when I the live cd is completed. |
| 16:28.17 | roh | GoldenHawk update it. the matchbox settings daemon needs to be running and connected to dbus or so |
| 16:28.17 | GoldenHawk | Anyone? |
| 16:29.07 | roh | i think the themes and so were commited quite a while ago |
| 16:29.13 | GoldenHawk | Matchbox settings daemon eh? |
| 16:29.25 | GoldenHawk | I just installed ASU from a snapshot yesterday |
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| 16:29.32 | kd8ikt | there we go got my sdcard back up |
| 16:30.25 | *** part/#openmoko pvborza (n=paul@79.119.152.133) |
| 16:30.41 | kd8ikt | think rmmod'ing modules i dont use nor plan to use anytime soon will extend bat life? ie bluetooth? |
| 16:31.16 | roh | GoldenHawk the gtk apps need it for the correct skinning. it should be in asu. i dunno the exact details |
| 16:31.46 | GoldenHawk | roh: Thanks I'll see if I can figure it out ^.^ |
| 16:31.57 | roh | http://zecke.blogspot.com/2008/07/asu-and-gtk.html |
| 16:32.39 | roh | why it doesnt work for you, i dunno.. i still have a quite old asu before that fix on my device due to other areas i tested (did not need recent ui) |
| 16:34.04 | carrar | all my status icons in the upperight dissapeared over night |
| 16:34.12 | carrar | so sad |
| 16:34.26 | GoldenHawk | Now that I have a place to start I should be able to figure it out. (Hopefully! ^.^) |
| 16:35.12 | Dave | Good day, roh :) |
| 16:35.21 | Dave | Blalien: ah, I see :) |
| 16:35.32 | Dave | Yeah, because mine T-Mobile SIMs work fine, as well :) |
| 16:35.42 | Dave | So do my AT&T ones (3GF) |
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| 16:35.59 | Hobart | is there any particularly recommended wifi setup widget to get the latest nightly build freerunner up on wifi (without using iwconfig eth0 xxxx on the command line) ? |
| 16:36.00 | Dave | rwhitby are you still around? |
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| 16:38.52 | simoo | Hi, does the freerunner support 3g speeds? |
| 16:39.09 | retracile | simoo: no |
| 16:39.51 | simoo | retracile: cheers |
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| 16:55.31 | Blalien | I'm trying to connect my bluetooth keyboard but it doesn't work after it's connected.. |
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| 16:55.45 | Tanuva | can anyone tell me which package contains the python gstreamer bindings? I had them on FSO but cant find the package back on ASU, although its the same repo, isnt it? Oo |
| 16:56.06 | undrwater | anyone here have success mounting jffs2? |
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| 16:56.35 | sparrow | Dave/Blalien - Do either of you folks know of anyone looking into issues with SIM cards? |
| 16:56.54 | Blalien | sparrow: Nope |
| 16:57.38 | sparrow | has been trying to debug Rogers Canada SIM cards for three days now =P |
| 16:57.42 | GoldenHawk | Thanks roh. I installed the settings daemon and it looks much better now. (Didn't seem to be installed by default) |
| 16:57.45 | Zilla | so my 3g (umts) sim card works fine on an openmoko |
| 16:57.46 | Zilla | ? |
| 16:58.13 | Zilla | srry im completely new here on freenode .... im interested in the freerunner :) |
| 16:58.17 | GoldenHawk | roh: Although the icons are different from before... it still has that gray windowsy look. |
| 16:58.27 | sparrow | I have tried about 12 SIM cards that I have borrowed from friends nad what not, but only getting about 50% working. |
| 16:58.32 | GoldenHawk | roh: But at least the fonts don't go off the side of the screen anymore. |
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| 16:58.55 | GoldenHawk | roh: Oh.. hm.. in places it does :/ |
| 16:58.57 | Chocky | imtolzytotypprply. |
| 17:00.47 | kd8ikt | i cant get settings-daemon to run |
| 17:00.59 | kd8ikt | "only one xsettings blah blah at a time |
| 17:01.18 | Chocky | leaning over too far? |
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| 17:10.16 | simoo | Hi, what contact file format can the openmoko import and export? |
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| 17:10.36 | Blalien | are bluetooth headsets supported? |
| 17:11.22 | Tig| | not currently through a gui |
| 17:11.37 | Tig| | there are people who have got them running via a terminal |
| 17:11.37 | dlowe | everything is supported with enough hard work. :p This is a developer phone, isn't it? |
| 17:12.04 | simoo | can the address book import ldif and vcards etc? |
| 17:12.11 | Zilla | and its the only linux running phone at the moment? |
| 17:12.17 | Chocky | no |
| 17:12.42 | Zilla | wich phone runs linux then? |
| 17:12.57 | kd8ikt | bets this is the "best" linux phone |
| 17:12.59 | olejorgenb | listens carefully |
| 17:13.02 | Chocky | http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=linux+phone&btnG=Google+Search |
| 17:13.08 | dlowe | There are a lot of phones that run linux |
| 17:13.11 | kd8ikt | heh chocky you ass |
| 17:13.22 | dlowe | chocky has a real point |
| 17:13.33 | Chocky | plus some others can be hacked to run Linux |
| 17:14.06 | olejorgenb | I just want a phone that actually is customizable and supports 3th party software |
| 17:14.09 | Chocky | FreeRunner is the only open phone, however. By a long way. |
| 17:14.33 | olejorgenb | I guess freerunner is perfect, but I'd wish the software was more stable |
| 17:14.40 | dlowe | olejorgenb: treos and blackberries fit that description |
| 17:14.45 | Chocky | FR no perfect, but pretty good. |
| 17:14.47 | Chocky | not |
| 17:15.34 | kd8ikt | you know that top button that lets you switch display/running app sometimes it dies on me |
| 17:15.43 | Chocky | aw |
| 17:15.48 | simoo | what format does the FreeRunner keep it's address book in? |
| 17:16.30 | kd8ikt | .evolution/ |
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| 17:16.49 | kd8ikt | db |
| 17:16.54 | roh | 2007.2 has eds as backend, asu/qtopia has sqlite |
| 17:17.03 | Chocky | http://www.anytux.org/hardware.php?system_id=1138 |
| 17:17.05 | Chocky | etc. |
| 17:17.27 | simoo | thanks, can the contacts be exported to other formats? |
| 17:17.35 | Zilla | anytux is a nice site :) |
| 17:17.49 | Blalien | when I type /media/card in the Terminal it says permission denied |
| 17:18.02 | Zorkman | is it normal that it is impossible tu turn off bluetooth in the latest 2007.2 image? |
| 17:18.11 | Chocky | Blastur: what, exactly, are you expecting? |
| 17:18.15 | Chocky | er, Blalien |
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| 17:19.04 | Blalien | Chocky: Well I'm trying to access the Micro SD. (And yeah I havn't worked with Linux that often ;)) |
| 17:19.21 | Zilla | cd /media/card ? |
| 17:19.28 | Chocky | so, again, what are you trying to do? and does 'ls -l /media/card/' not work? |
| 17:19.28 | fuzzyt | Blalien: Try "cd /media/card" |
| 17:19.39 | Chocky | sigh |
| 17:19.46 | Chocky | never mind. too many cooks. |
| 17:20.12 | Blalien | Zilla/fuzzyt: thanks |
| 17:20.16 | Zilla | NP |
| 17:20.34 | dtx | Zorkman: I see an option to turn off bluetooth on mine |
| 17:20.34 | Zilla | cd is dos like.....:| |
| 17:20.41 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r1465c89a7b9a 10/ (conf/checksums.ini packages/iotop/iotop_0.2.1.bb): [iotop] Add iotop 0.2.1 to OpenEmbedded/Openmoko |
| 17:20.54 | DaveLab | Hello Chocky |
| 17:20.58 | DaveLab | How goes it, Blalien? |
| 17:20.59 | Chocky | cringes at DOS comparisons. |
| 17:21.11 | Zorkman | dtx: me too, and i use it, but then there is an option to check the status of bluetooth and this keeps telling me it is on |
| 17:21.24 | kd8ikt | sure thats the newest? |
| 17:21.25 | Chocky | waits for "dir *.*" |
| 17:21.26 | Zorkman | dtx: i also do cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on and get "1" as reslt |
| 17:21.38 | kd8ikt | sounds like factory shipped firmware for the FR |
| 17:21.49 | Zilla | thats a good sign Zorkman :) |
| 17:21.57 | Zorkman | but i want to power it off |
| 17:22.10 | Zilla | try echo 0 >> /sys |
| 17:22.36 | Zilla | instaead of /sys the whole /sys/bus/etc |
| 17:22.40 | Chocky | yes, let's concatenate a zero to the directory. |
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| 17:22.53 | Chocky | h5s DaveLab. |
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| 17:23.36 | Zorkman | Zilla i did echo 0 >> /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on and when I do cat it still returns 1 |
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| 17:23.47 | Zorkman | i'll check if there is a bugreport on this |
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| 17:23.58 | Zilla | thats weird... |
| 17:24.08 | Zilla | but i dont have a freerunner...:P |
| 17:24.21 | SpeedEvil | lsusb will show you if the bluetooth thingy is there. |
| 17:24.50 | Zorkman | SpeedEvil: it returns Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 17:25.03 | SpeedEvil | That's the root hub |
| 17:25.19 | Zorkman | anyway, it is not very important I just don't want to use too much battery |
| 17:25.26 | SpeedEvil | it'll say somethiong like 3381:3147 csr |
| 17:25.44 | mmontour | Zorkman: echo 0 > /sys/whatever (not ">>") |
| 17:25.58 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: shouldn't either do the same? |
| 17:26.04 | Zorkman | mmontour: I did that, i learned that command yesterday so I typed it right :) |
| 17:26.20 | Zilla | sometimes >> dont work and > does work.../ |
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| 17:26.35 | mmontour | I don't actually know how a sysfs entry responds to ">>" |
| 17:26.35 | Chocky | buries accuracy at sea. |
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| 17:27.59 | Chocky | hm, I especially like how u-boot's terminal delays by one character. makes it real fun to type stuff in |
| 17:30.10 | DaveLab | Chocky, not really ;) |
| 17:30.22 | Chocky | "known bug"? |
| 17:30.40 | mmontour | Looks like ">>" and ">" are the same for that sysfs entry, I guess because it has a size of 0. |
| 17:31.40 | Chocky | and then you reach the end of the line in minicom or 'cu' and it doesn't wrap. comedy. |
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| 17:32.00 | Chocky | minicom really is dire. I'm not sure why I use it everyday. |
| 17:32.29 | mmontour | Chocky: I've seen that one-character delay a couple of times. You may prefer to use "screen" rather than minicom. |
| 17:32.40 | DaveLab | hilarity. |
| 17:33.31 | Chocky | doesn't care for screen, personally |
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| 17:35.25 | Zorkman | mmontour: I did that, i learned that command yesterday so I typed it right :) |
| 17:35.46 | Zorkman | sorry, dubbelpost, wanted to press up and enter in terminal :) |
| 17:37.15 | Chocky | hm, ext2ls is good. fatload isn't having any of it. |
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| 17:37.43 | mmontour | Well, only 1 of the 2 will ever work on a given partition (depending on whether it's ext2/3 or FAT) |
| 17:38.19 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7fe0f5a32344 10/packages/iotop/iotop_0.2.1.bb: [iotop] Make the installed package work |
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| 17:38.52 | Chocky | oops |
| 17:38.55 | Chocky | slaps self |
| 17:39.09 | mmontour | There are 4 commands: ext2ls, ext2load, fatls, fatload (and there's a u-boot "help" cmd that shows usage for them) |
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| 17:39.31 | Chocky | hangs head |
| 17:39.52 | DaveLab | heh |
| 17:40.00 | DaveLab | pokes rwhitby |
| 17:40.21 | DaveLab | Chocky, neither do I (re: screen). |
| 17:40.21 | kd8ikt | i found this neat lil wlan script |
| 17:40.22 | DaveLab | :) |
| 17:40.30 | DaveLab | kd8ikt, on teh wiki? :p |
| 17:40.46 | DaveLab | or do you have some secret stash, and you're holding out on all of us :) |
| 17:40.59 | kd8ikt | nah i'm googling to see if i can find it again |
| 17:41.09 | kd8ikt | i could pastebin it |
| 17:42.18 | torpor | dtx: does aldrin already run on openmoko? |
| 17:42.36 | kd8ikt | http://www.spencerstirling.com/computergeek/wireless.html |
| 17:43.30 | dtx | I don't know if there is an OpenEmbedded port of it yet |
| 17:43.43 | dtx | But the UI is made in Python and the DSP libs are C |
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| 17:46.30 | sparrow | Anyone know what the data on the factory installed image is? |
| 17:46.35 | sparrow | s/data/date |
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| 17:48.02 | Chocky | types in huge-ass uboot command, and gets one char wrong. fnar. |
| 17:48.05 | ChaosEagle | hi everyone =) |
| 17:48.20 | Chocky | my memories of u-boot are much friendlier |
| 17:48.34 | Chocky | who broke it in the last 4 years? |
| 17:48.47 | sparrow | Heh |
| 17:49.20 | zion | I finally got a working sim card |
| 17:49.30 | ChaosEagle | Erm, speaking of u-boot - is the version on the buildhost already the one with booting-from-ext3-support? |
| 17:49.41 | sparrow | zion - What brand is your sim? |
| 17:49.45 | zion | at&t |
| 17:49.51 | Chocky | ChaosEagle: quite possibly not |
| 17:49.53 | zion | I got the 4022 from ebay |
| 17:50.16 | ChaosEagle | oh, okay - thanks, then I'll have to wait some more before trying out qtopia |
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| 17:50.28 | zion | it just worked on the default image |
| 17:50.45 | sparrow | Nice... I am still in sim hell ;) |
| 17:50.53 | zion | just buy the one off of ebay |
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| 17:51.00 | Chocky | normally, I have no problem at all messing with boot loaders, but the whole character delay thing makes it way too frustrating for Monday morning. |
| 17:51.08 | zion | it will just work. and for $4 it is a cheap fix |
| 17:51.24 | ChaosEagle | sparrow: me too. Thinking of getting a new sim from O2 on wednesday, though |
| 17:51.29 | Drakou | hello, I keep getting mad with my ar6k wifi driver. I have a question, what is the MTU size you are using with Ar6K ? If somebody could do an ifconfig on his device :) |
| 17:51.32 | mmontour | ChaosEagle: "20080721" is still the old one, but the new recipe has now been checked. |
| 17:51.48 | mmontour | s/checked/checked in/ |
| 17:51.49 | ChaosEagle | mmontour: Okay, thanks! |
| 17:52.05 | DaveLab | teehee |
| 17:52.06 | zion | so, I can ssh in over usb now, but I can't ping anything on the local network. my lan is on 192.168.0. too |
| 17:52.08 | ChaosEagle | hey, you got a perl bot? :D |
| 17:52.10 | ChaosEagle | neat. |
| 17:52.15 | DaveLab | but of course! |
| 17:52.18 | DaveLab | B:BB 4lyfe |
| 17:52.26 | kd8ikt | need to setup routing if all through usb zion |
| 17:52.28 | DaveLab | pets apt |
| 17:52.29 | zion | whats the magic network config to be able to ping 192.168.0.4 ? |
| 17:52.40 | kd8ikt | best bet would be to connect wirelessly to an AP |
| 17:52.40 | DaveLab | magic network config? |
| 17:52.54 | kd8ikt | path of least resistance |
| 17:52.58 | DaveLab | kd8ikt, and hope it doesn't require quirky security features :) |
| 17:53.02 | zion | sorry, tend to use the work magic frequently |
| 17:53.26 | zion | I have the default config on the ;hone now, with .200 as the gateway |
| 17:53.29 | DaveLab | zion, you can't ping anything on the local network via usb because you didn't setup routing and fowarding (i.e. it's not masquerading) |
| 17:53.31 | kd8ikt | eh i've connected via open and wpa with no issues |
| 17:53.35 | DaveLab | So don't bother with the wireless |
| 17:53.40 | kd8ikt | its just some AP's are lame |
| 17:53.42 | ChaosEagle | How hard/dangerous is flashing uboot, anyway? Is it at all possible without a debug board? |
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| 17:53.49 | zion | aaah.... ok. makes sense |
| 17:54.03 | DaveLab | see: wiki/USB_Networking or the Getting_Started_with_your... blah blah blah page |
| 17:54.03 | Zorkman | ChaosEagle: it is not dangerous |
| 17:54.13 | kd8ikt | untill you brick it |
| 17:54.17 | ChaosEagle | *laughs* |
| 17:54.18 | sparrow | zion/ChaosEagle - Would you two be willing to send me a back and front images of your sim cards that don't work? |
| 17:54.32 | Zorkman | ChaosEagle: if you mess up: there is always a u-boot saved in NAND and you can copy the one from NAND to NOR |
| 17:54.36 | DaveLab | zion, also you'll need to add a valid nameserver later to your GTA02's resolv.conf otherwise it assumes that your local PC can perform name lookup operations, which typically is untrue. |
| 17:54.36 | Drakou | Is it possible that somebody wh is actually using a gta02 device to copy to me the result of an ifconfig with no parameters ? thank you |
| 17:54.41 | zion | sparrow: sorry, they are gone into the at&t garbage can |
| 17:54.42 | ChaosEagle | Okay, I bricked enough devices up to now to know what to do and what to avoid, I think ;) |
| 17:54.47 | Tanuva | Zorkman: teh other way round |
| 17:54.54 | ChaosEagle | sparrow: Sure, just give me a sec to get my cam |
| 17:55.02 | Zorkman | Tanuva: indeed, sorry, i was confused |
| 17:55.06 | Tanuva | :) |
| 17:55.13 | DaveLab | kay dee eight aigh kay tee |
| 17:55.25 | mmontour | Zorkman: it's the other way around - NOR is the protected one. |
| 17:55.32 | zion | DaveLab: I need to get masquerading setup here... is there a quick howto hiding somewhere. last time I did that I used a deprecated bash script |
| 17:55.35 | DaveLab | sparrow, what is the service in question? |
| 17:55.42 | kd8ikt | carrar: hows that perl script comming along |
| 17:55.43 | DaveLab | zion, I just linked you to it. |
| 17:55.49 | Zorkman | mmontour, yes, Tanuva pointed this out to me, i was confused, my bad |
| 17:55.54 | DaveLab | there's automated scripts on the USB_Networking page and everything |
| 17:56.02 | sparrow | DaveLab - I am using Rogers in Canada |
| 17:56.05 | DaveLab | on and you have my word that they are updated now and working :) |
| 17:56.16 | DaveLab | Sparrow, oh |
| 17:56.22 | Chocky | uh oh, angry Canadian |
| 17:56.23 | DaveLab | I have no idea what their SIM cards are like :D |
| 17:56.27 | DaveLab | yep |
| 17:56.42 | DaveLab | Sparrow but might as well add it to the [bad] SIM providers list and services list :) |
| 17:56.59 | DaveLab | compiling that data so far seems to be somewhat useful |
| 17:57.24 | DaveLab | not for resolution but at the very least calming the nerves of other [infuriated canadians] |
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| 17:58.20 | DaveLab | Chocky :D |
| 17:58.25 | sparrow | DaveLab - Is that a page on the wiki? |
| 17:58.32 | Chocky | Kanuckistan |
| 17:59.01 | Drakou | please ? is there anybody that is actually using a gta02 device and could give me the result of an ifconfig ? |
| 17:59.05 | Chocky | as opposed to El Loco Estados Unidos |
| 17:59.09 | Drakou | it would be nice |
| 17:59.14 | DaveLab | sparrow, yes! |
| 17:59.16 | DaveLab | :D |
| 17:59.26 | Chocky | <- pidgeon Spanush. |
| 17:59.28 | DaveLab | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 18:00.09 | DaveLab | then see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Set_up_USB-based_networking_and_update |
| 18:00.20 | DaveLab | Fucking wiki :D |
| 18:00.29 | DaveLab | speaking of which... |
| 18:00.48 | Chocky | wiki = cesspit. |
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| 18:01.11 | DaveLab | slaps wurp2 around a bit with an egregiously_long_url_name |
| 18:01.48 | Chocky | Long URL = 8KB |
| 18:01.51 | ChaosEagle | sparrow: This is gonna take a while, my cam is really bad for macro-photography :/ |
| 18:02.10 | sparrow | ChaosEagle - As you have time. Thanks =) |
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| 18:05.07 | DaveLab | :D |
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| 18:06.53 | Chocky | wants a pants daemon |
| 18:07.24 | Zorkman | does anyone have a script to connect automatically to an unsecure wifi when you run it? |
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| 18:08.32 | DaveLab | pantsd? |
| 18:08.36 | Chocky | yessir |
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| 18:08.49 | DaveLab | pantses users as they are detected? :D |
| 18:08.57 | Chocky | Not sure, but it sounds fun. |
| 18:10.02 | GoldenHawk | sighs |
| 18:10.11 | GoldenHawk | It's really hard to get a fix with my FR GPS |
| 18:10.13 | sevenhundred | woo, the next shipment of Freerunners will arrive to pulster.de the 22th! >D |
| 18:10.20 | GoldenHawk | I just spent five minutes outside :/ No dice. |
| 18:10.25 | sevenhundred | :D * |
| 18:10.36 | Zorkman | Goldenhawk: is your device up to date? |
| 18:10.36 | GoldenHawk | And I installed a recent kernel to get rid of the sd card thing. |
| 18:10.42 | GoldenHawk | Zorkman: Yeah |
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| 18:11.28 | Zorkman | GoldenHawk: have you used the agps-gui? thats very handy to see if you can find at least some sattelites |
| 18:11.41 | GoldenHawk | Yes. |
| 18:11.45 | GoldenHawk | I've gotten fixes before, they're just rare. |
| 18:11.54 | GoldenHawk | And that UI generally shows a few satellites. |
| 18:12.02 | GoldenHawk | But they're gray.. not enough signal. |
| 18:12.11 | Zorkman | maybe your gps antenna connector is defect? there's a page on that on the wiki |
| 18:12.25 | Chocky | Dave sez that the kernel fixes didn't work for him. might still have to remove SD card |
| 18:12.25 | GoldenHawk | Yeah. I'm starting to wonder. |
| 18:12.34 | GoldenHawk | Really? |
| 18:12.37 | McKael | GoldenHawk: same here |
| 18:12.38 | GoldenHawk | tries Chocky's suggestion |
| 18:12.42 | DaveLab | right |
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| 18:13.03 | DaveLab | I am running the most recent -everything- on one of my gta02's and it did nothing |
| 18:13.03 | McKael | Humm, two new problems today |
| 18:13.17 | DaveLab | I had it outside in range of 14 usable sats for an hour and nothing |
| 18:13.17 | ChaosEagle | Mhh, for me the patches worked okay |
| 18:13.27 | DaveLab | then I removed the SD card and tried it, it then worked. |
| 18:13.29 | McKael | I can't boot anymore by pushing the power button |
| 18:13.31 | sparrow | crashes the wiki |
| 18:13.42 | ChaosEagle | especially the new thing with setting the card voltage (?) to 0 |
| 18:13.43 | Chocky | yes, someone fix that wiki database, thanks |
| 18:13.54 | DaveLab | So I would argue clearly whatever was added to the kernel doesn't necessarily provide an effective workaround. |
| 18:14.25 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 18:14.29 | McKael | and, when I boot, I can't see my SDCard data anymore (invalid partion table) |
| 18:14.32 | DaveLab | Chaos, my understanding was that the software was supposed to -lower- it, but not turn it off. |
| 18:15.02 | DaveLab | mckael, rut roh :p |
| 18:15.38 | McKael | First thing first: any idea why it doesn't boot up? |
| 18:15.54 | McKael | I can access uboot and boot from the menu, |
| 18:15.59 | Zorkman | McKAel: how old is your uboot? |
| 18:16.10 | McKael | and it does start up corrctly if I plug the USB cable |
| 18:16.11 | Drakou | kd8ikt, I have a question on gta02 wlan , may i ask it to you ? |
| 18:16.18 | McKael | Zorkman: original one |
| 18:16.19 | Zorkman | McKael: if the uboot is too old, maybe the freerunner can't boot up because your battery is too much drained? |
| 18:16.26 | ChaosEagle | DaveLab, right, i just didn't find the right words |
| 18:16.37 | McKael | Zorkman: nope, batt is fine (80-80%) |
| 18:16.46 | McKael | 80-85% |
| 18:16.51 | ChaosEagle | I meant the new option which can be set from 0 to 3, where 2 is the default. |
| 18:17.00 | ChaosEagle | setting it to 0 worked like a charm for me |
| 18:17.08 | DaveLab | What are we talking about now? |
| 18:17.10 | Zorkman | maybe try to enter NOR boot? |
| 18:17.16 | McKael | ChaosEagle: did it change the TTFF? |
| 18:17.26 | DaveLab | What setting do you speak of, Chaos? |
| 18:17.40 | McKael | Zorkman: it _does_ boot, but not when I press the button! |
| 18:17.56 | DaveLab | heehee |
| 18:18.00 | ChaosEagle | mcKael: Considering I didn't get a fix with sd-card and without the fixes at all, yes ;) |
| 18:18.02 | DaveLab | naughty freerunners :p |
| 18:18.08 | Zorkman | McKael: sorry, i didn't read your first line :) |
| 18:18.09 | McKael | DaveLab: drive strength, I think |
| 18:18.21 | DaveLab | drive? in what sense? |
| 18:18.24 | GoldenHawk | Wow, a lot more satellites came up. |
| 18:18.24 | DaveLab | driving power?? |
| 18:18.35 | ChaosEagle | Not strictly scientific, but I'd say that getting a fix in a train moving at ~80 km/h in about 300 secs is okay |
| 18:18.48 | DaveLab | yeah, that's understandable |
| 18:18.49 | GoldenHawk | Damn.. :/ |
| 18:18.54 | DaveLab | Though flying on a plane was fun :p |
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| 18:19.02 | GoldenHawk | So the SD card flaw sin't fixed yet? I upgraded my kernel like a few days ago. |
| 18:19.12 | McKael | DaveLab: Werner Almesberger told me, "The maximum current with which the Glamo pushes or pulls the signal." |
| 18:19.13 | DaveLab | granted you're a lot closer to the satellites, and there's essentially -nothing- in the way :p |
| 18:19.26 | mjr | GoldenHawk, there was a further fix of the fix very recently |
| 18:19.26 | DaveLab | Oh, we're talking about glamo now? |
| 18:19.31 | ChaosEagle | GoldenHawk: With the new kernel from today, it worked better for me *searches for the relevant post on the community ml* |
| 18:19.37 | GoldenHawk | mjr: How recent? |
| 18:19.50 | DaveLab | check today :) |
| 18:19.56 | DaveLab | Chaos, please do locate it for us :) |
| 18:20.06 | DaveLab | The community list is spamtacular so... |
| 18:20.37 | Zorkman | ChaosHawk: did you enter sd_idleclk=1 and sd_drive=0 ? or what settings did you use to improve performance? |
| 18:20.55 | mjr | http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d04b142ffeaa15129f046751f1366b0f0614f47 is the latest related patch I think |
| 18:21.22 | ChaosEagle | Zorkman, I just used sd_drive=0 |
| 18:21.48 | ChaosEagle | And the posting on the list was the one from Andy Green at 2:11 today |
| 18:21.54 | kd8ikt | Drakou: you ring me? |
| 18:21.55 | ChaosEagle | Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches |
| 18:21.58 | DaveLab | haha ChaosHawk |
| 18:21.58 | DaveLab | :p |
| 18:22.35 | Blalien | anyone tested the Dinovo Mini on the Neo? |
| 18:22.45 | Zorkman | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/023016.html is the url |
| 18:22.54 | Drakou | kd8ikt, I am using the same Ar6k driver as you . And i would have like to know if there is special driver parameters definieded in the userland. (ar6k module parameters for examples ) |
| 18:23.03 | Zorkman | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022914.html i mean |
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| 18:23.31 | McKael | So no clue about my booting problem? Do you know if just pressing "power" is supposed to be the same as selecting "boot" from the u-boot menu? |
| 18:23.46 | Zorkman | ChaosEagle: is it correct to just type "sd_drive=0" in the terminal logged in the freerunner? or do i have to do something else? |
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| 18:24.11 | Zorkman | ChaosEagle: and is this setting persistent or will i have to do it every time i boot the device?) |
| 18:24.32 | zion | I have tried the generic iptalbes config and the gentoo specific one, can not ping outside of the .200 |
| 18:24.36 | kd8ikt | there is no userland wifi stuff except "iwpriv iwconfig iwlist " (the iw-tools) |
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| 18:24.40 | McKael | Oh, or could my NAND boot be crashed? |
| 18:25.31 | DaveLab | zion, have you done the masquerading and set forwarding? |
| 18:25.34 | DaveLab | it WILL work :) |
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| 18:25.40 | zion | DaveLab: yes |
| 18:25.53 | ChaosEagle | Zorkman, sorry, was distracted for a sec |
| 18:25.54 | DaveLab | if you doubt the scripts validity you are always welcome to enter the commands yourself :) |
| 18:25.57 | zion | had to enable it in my kernel |
| 18:26.11 | DaveLab | you will likely need root access to set the ip foward state switch however :) |
| 18:26.14 | DaveLab | oh, heh |
| 18:26.31 | DaveLab | Likely distracted by his now-functional gps :p |
| 18:26.32 | ChaosEagle | Zorkman, take a look here: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d04b142ffeaa15129f046751f1366b0f0614f47 |
| 18:26.36 | GoldenHawk | I presume external antennas have been known to bypass this problem? |
| 18:27.05 | Zorkman | Goldenhawk: yes, i have read nothing negative on the mailinglist from people using external antennas, only positive things |
| 18:27.06 | zion | so I have all the kernel config setup right, modules loaded. iptables -L looks ok.... |
| 18:27.09 | ChaosEagle | Zorkman: It boils down to "echo 0 > /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive" on the console |
| 18:27.22 | Zorkman | and is it persistent? or needed to run every time? |
| 18:27.29 | ChaosEagle | Zorkman: And it's not persistant AFAIK, you have to do it every time |
| 18:27.34 | GoldenHawk | Zorkman: Thanks. I'll probably just pick one up and keep it in my car ^.^ |
| 18:27.35 | zion | DaveLab: I just copy/pasted from the wiki |
| 18:27.38 | Zorkman | ok, thank you very much |
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| 18:28.21 | zion | is there anything I have to do diff, if I have 192.168.0.0 as my lan ? |
| 18:28.50 | retracile | zion: set a very specific route to your FR. |
| 18:28.54 | DaveLab | Oh, they're on the same subnet? |
| 18:28.57 | DaveLab | yeah :P |
| 18:29.16 | zion | retracile: I can ssh into FR |
| 18:29.30 | DaveLab | Zion, go go go! |
| 18:29.32 | zion | I just can't get on my lan over usb from FR |
| 18:30.11 | DaveLab | retracile, his pc isn't forwarding and/or masquerading, and he has all the necessary items at his disposal, just has to do it, I suppose :) |
| 18:30.38 | zion | I can ping my desktop |
| 18:30.58 | zion | so it looks like some iptables mojo is in order... wonder where I can get that. |
| 18:31.00 | zion | googles |
| 18:31.02 | ChaosEagle | sparrow: I have the pictures you requested. :) |
| 18:31.54 | DaveLab | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 && echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward && iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT; done |
| 18:32.28 | DaveLab | after which you may want to set a valid nameserver in resolv.conf (as I mentioned earlier), if you want to use dns |
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| 18:32.46 | McKael | Hmm, boots fine from NAND too |
| 18:33.23 | retracile | ... and I find that 'scp /etc/resolv.conf root@192.168.0.202:/var/run/resolv.conf' works well for that. |
| 18:33.32 | McKael | Maybe I'm just going crazy, I'll try one more time. |
| 18:33.44 | GoldenHawk | I recently changed from 2007.2 to ASU .. is there still an easy way to take screenshots? |
| 18:34.05 | zion | ack! DaveLab, after that, iptables -L lists nothing |
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| 18:34.33 | Chocky | iptables -t nat -L -v -n |
| 18:34.35 | retracile | open season on zion! |
| 18:34.47 | retracile | ;) |
| 18:34.53 | zion | yeah, I am thinking this is a bit off topic? |
| 18:35.40 | DaveLab | Agreed! |
| 18:35.57 | McKael | DaveLab: I haven't tried, but wouldn't deleting the line in /etc/network/interfaces be enough to not overwrite the resolv.conf? |
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| 18:36.16 | McKael | IIRC by default it's overwrittent when usb0 comes up |
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| 18:37.49 | DaveLab | it'd be fine |
| 18:37.57 | GoldenHawk | 'echo 0 > /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive' didn't help me any :/ |
| 18:38.25 | Zorkman | GoldenHawk: it doesn't seem to make any difference here also |
| 18:38.33 | GoldenHawk | Oh well. |
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| 18:41.21 | DaveLab | hrm |
| 18:41.32 | DaveLab | Anyone had any success yet with USB dongles? |
| 18:42.19 | Zorkman | not yet tried |
| 18:42.42 | GoldenHawk | http://www.freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=295 <-- This appears to have an AGPS tutorial. I'm going to try that and see if it help. |
| 18:43.18 | Zorkman | I can connect to an unprotected wifi with thename of "SMC", but how do I connect to a wifi with no name? iwconfig eth0 essid "" does not work |
| 18:43.39 | Chocky | ah, the "does not work" bug report. |
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| 18:44.45 | DaveLab | Alright well I'm trying it now, with no luck :P |
| 18:44.58 | McKael | Zorkman: a wifi with no name??? Is it yours? |
| 18:45.02 | DaveLab | It's supposed to be a powered interface though, on the freerunner (despite it being 1.1) |
| 18:45.13 | DaveLab | Isn't that right, Speedevil? :p |
| 18:46.14 | Tig|away | DaveLab: yep it should be powered, don't know if that is controlled by software though |
| 18:46.14 | lollydays | i'm trying to partition my SD card like the wiki says but "fdisk /dev/mmcblk0" gives me: "warning: rereading partition table failed, kernel still uses old table: device or resource busy" |
| 18:46.25 | DaveLab | tig, right |
| 18:46.46 | DaveLab | my thinking is that it expected to see some sort of battery-charging connection, but when it doesn't, it just craps out |
| 18:47.18 | DaveLab | because lsusb shows nothing, and dmesg gives me nothing useful - though it is a bit unclear since it is filled with irq spam |
| 18:47.31 | McKael | lollydays: did you boot from the SD card? |
| 18:47.33 | mmontour | lollydays: try "umount /media/card" before running fdisk. You can also use "df" or "mount" to see what's currently mounted |
| 18:47.37 | ChaosEagle | Well, I'm off for now |
| 18:47.43 | lollydays | McKael, no |
| 18:47.52 | ChaosEagle | Sparrow: If I can be of further assistance, just drop me a mail =) |
| 18:47.53 | lollydays | mmontour, i'll try that thanks |
| 18:47.58 | McKael | lollydays: mmontour's suggestion then :) |
| 18:48.07 | kd8ikt | omg perl looks like kanji to me |
| 18:48.14 | McKael | I can't mount mine anymore :\ |
| 18:48.30 | Yasumoto_ | kd8ikt: haha brutal |
| 18:48.41 | lollydays | mmontour, when I try to unmount it it says "device is busy" |
| 18:48.48 | McKael | lollydays: cd |
| 18:48.54 | kd8ikt | http://www.osburn.com/scanwifi |
| 18:49.00 | kd8ikt | Yasumoto_: |
| 18:49.15 | McKael | lollydays: didn't you cd to a SD directory? |
| 18:49.17 | kd8ikt | i wanted to change its output |
| 18:49.33 | lollydays | McKael, no I'm in ~ |
| 18:49.35 | DaveLab | goddamn, do we need a separate channel for this? :P |
| 18:49.51 | mmontour | lollydays: then shut down whatever is accessing /media/card (qtopia?) |
| 18:49.57 | Yasumoto | kd8ikt: yikes. I'm a python guy and I just finished taking a year of japanese, so I feel your pain |
| 18:50.14 | lollydays | mmontour, yeah I'm running qtopia... is that the problem |
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| 18:51.14 | mmontour | qtopia puts a database onto /media/card. That's probably what's preventing you from unmounting it. |
| 18:51.52 | DaveLab | Joerg, awake? :D |
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| 18:52.26 | lollydays | mmontour, ah ok |
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| 18:52.36 | DaveLab | ecraven! |
| 18:52.48 | ecraven | DaveLab, what's up? |
| 18:52.50 | chipr | anybody know what cause "opkg update" to give "Could not obtain administrative lock" error? (Running Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080721-om-gta02) |
| 18:52.59 | ecraven | DaveLab: how are your forays into python working/ |
| 18:53.08 | DaveLab | ecraven, well, at the moment I am trying to get usb dongle to work :| |
| 18:53.17 | DaveLab | ecraven, oh, they are coming along :D |
| 18:53.25 | DaveLab | slowly :P |
| 18:53.35 | chipr | never mind, the problem mysteriously cleared itself |
| 18:53.38 | DaveLab | I can't exactly spend all day, every day on it :) |
| 18:53.46 | DaveLab | chipr, ah, you must be a windows user! |
| 18:53.48 | Zorkman | McKael: sorry i was busy, calling and alsamixing :) |
| 18:53.50 | DaveLab | :p |
| 18:54.16 | Zorkman | McKael: it is not mine; is it possible to connect to it? |
| 18:54.35 | Zorkman | this is what i get: |
| 18:54.35 | Zorkman | root@om-gta02:~# iwconfig eth0 essid "" |
| 18:54.35 | Zorkman | Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : |
| 18:54.35 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.06 | DaveLab | What's the problem? |
| 18:55.12 | DaveLab | That seems perfectly valid. |
| 18:55.34 | Zorkman | Why? That wireless network is in range and I can't connect to it... |
| 18:55.52 | DaveLab | a wireless network with no essid? |
| 18:56.03 | Chocky | heh |
| 18:56.03 | Zorkman | root@om-gta02:~# iwlist eth0 scanning |
| 18:56.03 | McKael | Zorkman: That's a hidden ESSID |
| 18:56.05 | Chocky | happens sometimes |
| 18:56.07 | Zorkman | eth0 Scan completed : |
| 18:56.11 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.15 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.16 | DaveLab | so explicitly specify the ap then! |
| 18:56.19 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.19 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.19 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.19 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.19 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.20 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.21 | McKael | You can't connect unless you know it |
| 18:56.25 | DaveLab | (duh) :p |
| 18:56.25 | Chocky | Captain Obvious! |
| 18:56.27 | Zorkman | aha, thanks |
| 18:56.28 | DaveLab | huhu |
| 18:56.30 | DaveLab | :D |
| 18:56.37 | Zorkman | sorry, i'm new to all this |
| 18:56.44 | DaveLab | is now known as CptObvious |
| 18:57.21 | Chocky | "Does not enable wearer to fly" |
| 18:57.33 | Chocky | "Does not enable user to make phone calls" |
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| 18:59.16 | DaveLab | hmm, well, this isn't going according to plan... |
| 18:59.53 | Chocky | slaps the clowns putting underscores in Wiki links |
| 19:02.12 | DaveLab | bah, where is mr. joerg :{ |
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| 19:03.35 | lollydays | mmontour, when I try mkfs.vfat it says "not found" for the command |
| 19:04.16 | Chocky | apt-get install dosfstools |
| 19:04.38 | Chocky | And if you're using Fedora, then _for goodness sake, upgrade to Debian_ |
| 19:04.50 | kd8ikt | thats shity quality 3/94 |
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| 19:06.03 | mmontour | lollydays: as Chocky said, you need to install a package that provides that tool. You can try "opkg install dosfstools" on the Neo but I don't know if it's available (or if it's called something else) |
| 19:06.10 | DaveLab | :D |
| 19:06.36 | lollydays | mmontour, damn |
| 19:07.33 | Chocky | not sure where it is to be found in opkgs. |
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| 19:09.51 | DaveLab | grr |
| 19:10.05 | DaveLab | Chocky, where what is? |
| 19:10.13 | Chocky | mkfs.vfat |
| 19:10.45 | lollydays | mmontour, ok thanks |
| 19:11.01 | DaveLab | o.O |
| 19:11.02 | lollydays | hey anyone figure out how to push up the volume of the mic without noise? |
| 19:11.05 | DaveLab | heh |
| 19:11.51 | DaveLab | isn't it likely part of util-linux? |
| 19:11.55 | Zorkman | I tried to create a file called "wifi" that lets me automatically connect to the strongest unprotected wifi |
| 19:11.57 | DaveLab | or busybox |
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| 19:12.08 | Zorkman | and i placed it in root directory of freerunner |
| 19:12.08 | DaveLab | Good job, zorkman |
| 19:12.14 | Chocky | DaveLab: nosir |
| 19:12.15 | Zorkman | but when i try to run it it says |
| 19:12.20 | DaveLab | heh |
| 19:12.22 | Zorkman | root@om-gta02:~# wifi |
| 19:12.22 | Zorkman | -sh: wifi: not found |
| 19:12.23 | DaveLab | Yes, Zorkman? |
| 19:12.31 | Chocky | or rather, it might be, if the busybox config included it, which it doesn't seem to |
| 19:12.33 | DaveLab | zorkman, are you executing it? |
| 19:12.37 | DaveLab | ./wifi |
| 19:12.38 | Chocky | laffs |
| 19:12.41 | mmontour | lollydays: try http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/dosfstools_2.11-r0_armv4t.ipk (download it to the phone then "opkg install" it) |
| 19:12.44 | Chocky | PWD isn't in $PATH |
| 19:12.47 | zion | I figured out iptables... had to specify the out device on the masquerade line |
| 19:12.48 | DaveLab | Chocky, now now, I think it's kind of cute :D |
| 19:12.57 | DaveLab | Zorkman is just new to unix :) |
| 19:12.59 | Zorkman | root@om-gta02:~# ./wifi |
| 19:12.59 | Zorkman | -sh: ./wifi: not found |
| 19:13.04 | Chocky | laffs more |
| 19:13.05 | lollydays | mmontour, nice thanks |
| 19:13.08 | lollydays | how does it work? |
| 19:13.17 | DaveLab | Zorkman: do a `ls` |
| 19:13.23 | DaveLab | see if it's there |
| 19:13.27 | Zorkman | root@om-gta02:~# ls |
| 19:13.27 | Zorkman | openmoko-agpsui_0.1+svnr7-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 19:13.27 | Zorkman | orrery |
| 19:13.27 | Zorkman | wifi |
| 19:13.31 | DaveLab | furthermore make sure it is executable |
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| 19:13.35 | DaveLab | ls -l |
| 19:13.42 | Zorkman | i did |
| 19:13.42 | Zorkman | root@om-gta02:~# ls |
| 19:13.42 | Zorkman | openmoko-agpsui_0.1+svnr7-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 19:13.42 | Zorkman | orrery |
| 19:13.42 | Zorkman | wifi |
| 19:13.43 | GoldenHawk | How do I know if I have a defective GPS antenna? |
| 19:13.49 | Zorkman | sorry i did chmod a+x wifi |
| 19:13.54 | DaveLab | okay! |
| 19:13.56 | GoldenHawk | Is there some visible sign? |
| 19:13.59 | DaveLab | so then ./wifi should work! |
| 19:14.05 | Zorkman | root@om-gta02:~# ls -l wifi |
| 19:14.05 | Zorkman | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2077 Jul 21 21:09 wifi |
| 19:14.11 | Chocky | GoldenHawk: if you still can't make it work without SD card in |
| 19:14.17 | DaveLab | good |
| 19:14.18 | Zorkman | DaveLab: no it doesn't :( |
| 19:14.19 | Zorkman | root@om-gta02:~# ./wifi |
| 19:14.19 | Zorkman | -sh: ./wifi: not found |
| 19:14.21 | DaveLab | It should! |
| 19:14.38 | GoldenHawk | Chocky: It works sometimes.. rarely.. I give up after ten minutes usually. |
| 19:14.49 | DaveLab | Zorkman, use tabcompletion and specify it's name |
| 19:14.51 | GoldenHawk | Chocky: A couple times I saw it fix in a minute's time. |
| 19:14.57 | DaveLab | perhaps you put a control character in the name or something strange |
| 19:15.05 | DaveLab | do like ./w and then hit tab |
| 19:15.07 | Zorkman | DaveLab what do you mean? |
| 19:15.08 | mmontour | Zorkman: That "not found" can mean that the command interpreter for the script can't be found. Check the first line of the script (e.g. "#!/bin/sh") |
| 19:15.15 | Zorkman | DAveLab i already dit that |
| 19:15.29 | McKael | GoldenHawk: did you try outside in a clean area and w/o SD card? |
| 19:15.30 | DaveLab | oh heh, yeah |
| 19:15.36 | DaveLab | shebang, baby! |
| 19:15.44 | McKael | GoldenHawk: it doesn't work very well for me either |
| 19:15.49 | DaveLab | I think I need to post to the list |
| 19:15.57 | GoldenHawk | McKael: Yeah it tends to work when I do that. But it still takes five to ten minutes. |
| 19:16.05 | GoldenHawk | McKael: Which is boring as hell. |
| 19:16.12 | McKael | GoldenHawk: yeah I know :) |
| 19:16.19 | Zorkman | DaveLab the first line is #!/bin/bash |
| 19:16.22 | DaveLab | GH, are you referring to TTFF? |
| 19:16.30 | GoldenHawk | DaveLab: Yes |
| 19:16.50 | Chocky | DaveLab: Grammar Nazi clue: it's = it is. its = pwnership. |
| 19:16.55 | McKael | GoldenHawk: I drove for 1 hour yesterday, I got a fix once I was at the point of arrival, and on the top of the building. |
| 19:17.01 | DaveLab | Zorkman, did you try: bash wifi |
| 19:17.14 | McKael | But then, the fix lasted for the rest of the day |
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| 19:17.25 | Tanuva | DaveLab: theres no bash on the neo, is it? |
| 19:17.30 | Chocky | opkg install bash |
| 19:17.31 | DaveLab | Yes there is |
| 19:17.33 | Tanuva | ah |
| 19:17.41 | DaveLab | I believe it is installed by default too |
| 19:17.47 | Chocky | s'not |
| 19:17.51 | DaveLab | Though if not, he would surely have been made aware of it |
| 19:17.59 | DaveLab | WELL the command I just told him will tell us :) |
| 19:18.02 | Chocky | heh |
| 19:18.08 | GoldenHawk | Mckael: I guess the antenna is just weak inside this thing. I think I'll buy an external antenna and use it like a turkey baster to inject 'first fix' into the phone after a cold start :p |
| 19:18.08 | DaveLab | bash Chocky |
| 19:18.15 | DaveLab | :D |
| 19:18.27 | GoldenHawk | Also, AGPS isn't helping much. |
| 19:18.36 | Zorkman | bash not found |
| 19:18.41 | DaveLab | I am making pizza tonight, want some homemade pizza and some good beer, Chocky? |
| 19:18.44 | DaveLab | Zorkman, aha! |
| 19:18.52 | DaveLab | Zorkman, so make it /bin/sh instead :) |
| 19:18.55 | Zorkman | ok |
| 19:19.07 | DaveLab | then try running it via: ./wifi :P |
| 19:19.07 | McKael | Zorkman: Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/bash_3.2-r5_armv4t.ipk |
| 19:19.10 | McKael | Zorkman: works for me |
| 19:19.12 | DaveLab | it should work now |
| 19:19.18 | DaveLab | Mckael, also that :P |
| 19:19.23 | DaveLab | assuming his networking works :x |
| 19:19.31 | McKael | oh |
| 19:19.32 | Chocky | Dave: yes, but I'm dubious about your making an honest offer ;-) |
| 19:19.34 | McKael | DaveLab: good point |
| 19:19.36 | DaveLab | Mckael otherwise we might be sending him into a wtfparadox :D |
| 19:19.49 | Zorkman | i should work :p |
| 19:19.56 | Zorkman | i get |
| 19:19.56 | Zorkman | root@om-gta02:~# ./wifi eth0 |
| 19:19.56 | Zorkman | sh: Quality=5: bad number |
| 19:19.58 | Chocky | besides, you're not in SD |
| 19:20.08 | Zorkman | i'll try some more from here :) |
| 19:20.13 | DaveLab | it's like, the manufacturers who ship your pc with no ethernet drivers, then tell you in the instruction manual to simply turn on your computer and download them! |
| 19:20.21 | DaveLab | You want to seriously bash their heads in then :D |
| 19:20.24 | lollydays | whenever I try to up the mic2 values, i get a lot of noise. Anyone have a fix? |
| 19:20.38 | Chocky | use the wifi to download them :p |
| 19:20.45 | Chocky | or use a floppy. when there's no floppy drive |
| 19:20.47 | DaveLab | you also don't have the drivers for them |
| 19:20.51 | Chocky | then you have to use a USB key |
| 19:20.53 | DaveLab | there are no more floppy drives |
| 19:21.03 | DaveLab | the usb requires a special usb2.0 driver which you don't have either |
| 19:21.04 | Chocky | or make a frekin' CDR |
| 19:21.09 | DaveLab | EXACTLY |
| 19:21.12 | DaveLab | with what? |
| 19:21.17 | Chocky | USB usually works though. _usually_ |
| 19:21.26 | Chocky | with your _other_ machine, of course. duh! |
| 19:21.27 | DaveLab | presumably another computer which has an actve connection? |
| 19:21.54 | DaveLab | then also your new pc can't extract the files from whatever non-standard compression format is used to archive them on their website |
| 19:21.57 | DaveLab | :D |
| 19:22.03 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN_AUTO |
| 19:22.08 | DaveLab | See, it's if anything, a royal fucking pain in the ass :) |
| 19:22.09 | Chocky | ok, now you're stretching things. |
| 19:22.17 | DaveLab | Chocky, I can't make this shit up! |
| 19:22.23 | Chocky | you can, try harder |
| 19:22.27 | DaveLab | All in all, fuck windows? :D |
| 19:22.36 | DaveLab | go go gadget etch! |
| 19:22.37 | Chocky | I'm not sure I've ever seen Windows drivers in RAR format |
| 19:23.05 | DaveLab | some use experimental 7zip formats |
| 19:23.12 | DaveLab | or even one used lzma I believe |
| 19:23.15 | DaveLab | ~_~ |
| 19:23.19 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 19:23.28 | Chocky | heh |
| 19:23.32 | DaveLab | bastards :p |
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| 19:24.00 | DaveLab | anyhoo, where's a hardware person? I want to complain about this non-functional setup |
| 19:24.08 | Chocky | Dave: so please explain your motivation for offering beer+pizza |
| 19:24.12 | DaveLab | throws usb dongles at joerg_rw |
| 19:24.19 | Chocky | = Hardware Lead |
| 19:24.23 | DaveLab | Chocky, go team debian freerunner? |
| 19:24.26 | DaveLab | haha |
| 19:24.30 | DaveLab | Pizza Lead, as well? :p |
| 19:24.31 | Chocky | er, yeah. TF! |
| 19:24.36 | DaveLab | :D |
| 19:24.43 | Chocky | TPF! |
| 19:24.50 | DaveLab | We should clearly have fancy jackets made, immediately. |
| 19:24.53 | DaveLab | That or buttons. |
| 19:24.54 | Chocky | Team FreeRunner: World Pizza |
| 19:26.40 | Chocky | as it _happens_ there is beer and mini homemade pizza in the fridge outside my office. |
| 19:28.17 | DaveLab | \o/ |
| 19:28.27 | DaveLab | Is it yours, though? If not, will it soon be? >:) |
| 19:28.53 | Chocky | beer, fridge or pizza? I'm not sure it matters :o |
| 19:29.02 | DaveLab | shit, I hope this test doesn't blow up or fry a freerunner :[ |
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| 19:38.04 | DaveLab | :| |
| 19:38.52 | Chocky | magic smoke escaped? |
| 19:40.07 | Chocky | refurbishes returned customer unit. had a loose screw rattling around :o |
| 19:40.26 | Chocky | Dammit Jim, I'm a software engineer! |
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| 19:48.33 | DaveLab | :D |
| 19:48.55 | mmontour | DaveLab: FYI there is some recent activity on bug #1158 (charging stops even while connected). You might want to add a comment about your experiences with that problem. |
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| 19:50.00 | DaveLab | mmontour: oh cool, thanks yeah |
| 19:50.14 | DaveLab | I also have another (related) bug about that to add |
| 19:50.22 | DaveLab | remind me later, I'll comment on it -- thanks mmontour :) |
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| 19:50.33 | Chocky | tries for gtkterm karma |
| 19:50.33 | DaveLab | Though at the moment, I'm struggling with a different issue |
| 19:50.46 | DaveLab | apparently someone hackishly got this to work on the 1973 |
| 19:50.55 | DaveLab | but clearly udev has been changed on the freerunner |
| 19:51.03 | DaveLab | and I am not entirely sure how ;) |
| 19:51.33 | mmontour | np. Speaking of reminders, did you ever get a chance to post your working bluetooth-headset config to the wiki? |
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| 19:51.51 | DaveLab | Oh! |
| 19:51.55 | DaveLab | No, I did not! :D |
| 19:52.06 | DaveLab | I should do that, though I fear it may not work for everyone else's headset |
| 19:52.11 | DaveLab | but I'll let them gripe about that :p |
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| 19:52.52 | mmontour | DaveLab: at this point, if it works for at least 1 other person's headset it will be a big step forward |
| 19:53.04 | DaveLab | hooray! |
| 19:53.08 | DaveLab | Yes, so let us see :) |
| 19:53.58 | DaveLab | uggh, I really wish we had [s]locate on the phone :) |
| 19:53.59 | Chocky | it's not a full moon any more, so you'll need to sacrafice something |
| 19:54.11 | DaveLab | Chocky, not a problem, I got that covered ;) |
| 19:54.15 | Chocky | sweet |
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| 19:54.26 | Chocky | it's like with SCSI, you terminate a virgin goat |
| 19:54.27 | dlowe | woo. my new T-mobile SIM works |
| 19:54.38 | DaveLab | It's sadly simply to find java coders here who use emacs under kde |
| 19:54.48 | kd8ikt | carrar: whered ya go? |
| 19:54.50 | DaveLab | I elect them to be among the first :P |
| 19:54.58 | kd8ikt | taking care of the fam? |
| 19:54.58 | DaveLab | dlowe :D |
| 19:55.05 | Chocky | DaveLab: almost. I use that combination for JavaScript sometimes. |
| 19:55.19 | DaveLab | shudders |
| 19:55.28 | DaveLab | kd8ikt: can you guys talk over the radio? :P |
| 19:55.29 | Chocky | but I mostly use kdevelop |
| 19:55.35 | cjb | is SMS stuff failing for anyone else? Doesn't seem to work here on AT&T. |
| 19:55.36 | DaveLab | can't, rather |
| 19:55.42 | kd8ikt | what radio |
| 19:55.45 | DaveLab | cjb, works fine for me on AT&T |
| 19:55.52 | DaveLab | unfortunately so :P |
| 19:55.54 | cjb | interesting |
| 19:55.59 | DaveLab | So I get a bunch of stupid spam messages :D |
| 19:56.13 | DaveLab | and I am surprised when my freerunner suddenly starts buzzing around the table |
| 19:56.27 | DaveLab | fortunately it's rather weighty so it doesn't leave the furniture item it is usually placed on. |
| 19:56.48 | torpor | ermm. |
| 19:56.55 | torpor | sup? |
| 19:58.08 | Chocky | just makes a nice scratch in it? |
| 19:58.40 | DaveLab | heh |
| 19:58.59 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: thanks for dongle-crap ;-) |
| 19:59.11 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: what's up? |
| 19:59.41 | DaveLab | :D |
| 19:59.48 | Yasumoto | cjb: It isn't working for me, but it wasn't working on my previous phone either |
| 19:59.52 | GoldenHawk | Mmm I just got multiplexing going. Warms the cackles. |
| 20:00.05 | Yasumoto | cjb: I think it's an account issue, but just letting you know |
| 20:00.07 | DaveLab | Joerg, I am trying to get a USB hub to function with a Usb dongle device connected to it or first even just the dongle alone |
| 20:00.20 | DaveLab | I switch the FR into usb host mode, but that didn't seem to do anything |
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| 20:00.48 | ecraven | DaveLab: how did you switch it? |
| 20:00.50 | DaveLab | Searching the web aimlessly provided a resource that one person had done this on the 1973 but, it was limited |
| 20:01.01 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: you have to care about logic hostmode *and* usb-powersupply |
| 20:01.13 | DaveLab | ecraven, echo host > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode |
| 20:01.21 | DaveLab | joerg, ah yes! |
| 20:01.26 | ecraven | DaveLab: also echo 1 > ../host_mode i believe |
| 20:01.28 | jOERG_rw | that's one |
| 20:01.29 | ecraven | or maybe 5V? |
| 20:01.31 | ecraven | or 5? |
| 20:01.34 | DaveLab | yeah |
| 20:01.38 | DaveLab | joerg? :) |
| 20:01.39 | jOERG_rw | that'S second |
| 20:01.44 | DaveLab | oh OH |
| 20:02.11 | DaveLab | Well okay I have a usb hub, I want to be able to power the freerunner (ideally), but also want the freerunner to be able to utilize the devices connected to the hub |
| 20:02.25 | DaveLab | This scenario brings me back to your earlier talk about this very stuff on the hw mailing list :) |
| 20:02.32 | DaveLab | so that's probably why I was pestering you :D |
| 20:02.39 | jOERG_rw | skim hw-ml (i guess). andy posted a mini-howto on it (or was it support?) |
| 20:02.56 | fspde | dlowe, how old was your previous SIM? |
| 20:03.07 | DaveLab | yeah but I thought he ended up saying that without hardware modifications it wasn't really doable |
| 20:03.22 | GoldenHawk | Would anything bad happen if I turned on USB power while it was plugged into another host? |
| 20:03.24 | DaveLab | I mean, sure I can short the 5v on the usb hub, but beyond that... |
| 20:03.25 | dlowe | fspde: I got a new AT&T one, and it still didn't work |
| 20:03.37 | DaveLab | I wouldn't want to open up the phone and start playing with the jtag connector :P |
| 20:03.39 | mjr | umm there was just a mail on community saying how to get logical usb host mode with power intake |
| 20:03.40 | dlowe | so I just got a T-mobile To-Go plan |
| 20:03.41 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: so to power externaly, youu do `echo 0 > ...foo/host-foo` |
| 20:03.42 | fspde | and your tmobile does? |
| 20:03.45 | DaveLab | it's awkward without an external port :P |
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| 20:03.51 | fspde | alright :/ |
| 20:03.54 | dlowe | fspde: I think all of T-mobile's SIMs work |
| 20:03.58 | DaveLab | what is foo/host-foo? :P |
| 20:04.18 | jOERG_rw | same as */host* |
| 20:04.22 | fspde | so you wouldn't say that fresh SIMs are working generally |
| 20:04.37 | jOERG_rw | somewhere in /dev or /sys |
| 20:04.41 | DaveLab | Where is that located? |
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| 20:04.44 | DaveLab | oy -_- |
| 20:04.56 | trix | the first SIM tmobile gave me worked without any problems |
| 20:05.02 | DaveLab | fspde: depends which brand and if they follow the "standard" |
| 20:05.03 | GoldenHawk | Actuallly.. I have two power questions for anyone here.. 1) If I got autofast charging working, and plugged it into a device that couldn't handle it, would it wreck the device? 2) If I turn on powered mode for the USB port, and plugged it into another host, would it cause a problem? |
| 20:05.05 | DaveLab | and haven't been recalled :D |
| 20:05.08 | DaveLab | :P |
| 20:05.12 | jOERG_rw | search pipermail for Andy's post on it! |
| 20:05.23 | mjr | for host mode with power intake, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022973.html |
| 20:05.33 | DaveLab | :o |
| 20:05.34 | fspde | so DaveLab, it's vodafone, and what is the "standard"? |
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| 20:05.46 | DaveLab | I have no idea, and I have no idea :) |
| 20:05.53 | DaveLab | check out the wiki for the provider compat |
| 20:06.21 | fspde | according to wiki it's 100% compatible, but in reality, it isn't |
| 20:06.31 | Chocky | fix0r teh wiki. |
| 20:06.50 | DaveLab | Oh, and this is unrelated, but I have yet to determine who is the better comedian, from reading the mailing lists, Joerg or Andy :D |
| 20:06.58 | DaveLab | Have any comments about that, Joerg? ;) |
| 20:07.01 | torpor | ok i am making a usb cable for my new freerunner, so i can put emagic mt4 midi interface on it, and write some nice midi code. |
| 20:07.13 | jOERG_rw | ... ... ... |
| 20:07.51 | DaveLab | and yes, Joerg's Y cable concept is well know now :D |
| 20:07.58 | jOERG_rw | I'm a mild authist, but all my friends are clowns ;-) |
| 20:08.05 | Chocky | authist? |
| 20:08.05 | DaveLab | heehee |
| 20:08.14 | DaveLab | enthusiast? |
| 20:08.51 | Chocky | spots some Germanglish :o |
| 20:09.00 | Ainulindale | jOERG_rw: autistic ? |
| 20:09.14 | jOERG_rw | nah, what's wrong with denglisch? |
| 20:09.31 | Chocky | don't know, but I'll beat you if you say "informations" :o |
| 20:09.32 | Ainulindale | German is for sissies, please speak the only true language (french) ! |
| 20:09.56 | Chocky | Latin |
| 20:10.00 | DaveLab | heehee |
| 20:10.04 | jOERG_rw | *shudder* |
| 20:10.05 | torpor | boing boom tschuck! |
| 20:10.19 | torpor | we are ze robots, doo doo doo doo |
| 20:10.30 | torpor | ^^ not french |
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| 20:10.46 | Chocky | Besides, bash is the one true language. |
| 20:10.49 | Ainulindale | torpor: I prefer "we are ze robots" than "ve ach ze robots" :-P |
| 20:11.08 | torpor | ze are ze bobos |
| 20:11.23 | Chocky | you are ze bonobos |
| 20:11.31 | Ainulindale | But many french people can't speak english properly, that's a fact. |
| 20:11.31 | Hopscotch | |
| 20:11.55 | Chocky | yes, but what does this have to do with USB hacking? |
| 20:12.48 | jOERG_rw | fspde: not providers are compatible, special types of sim-cards are *not* |
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| 20:13.32 | jOERG_rw | bonobos have fun all of the time ;-) |
| 20:13.46 | Chocky | yes, but much of it appears to be incest |
| 20:13.56 | jOERG_rw | nevermind |
| 20:14.12 | jOERG_rw | at least the bonobos :D |
| 20:14.34 | fspde | jOERG_rw, got that. but how can the cards that are not compatible be identified? |
| 20:14.49 | Chocky | put them in |
| 20:14.53 | Chocky | and see if they do :o |
| 20:14.57 | jOERG_rw | writing like "1V8" on it might help |
| 20:15.15 | jOERG_rw | but isn't the whole story |
| 20:15.16 | fspde | thanks Chocky :( in advance, i mean |
| 20:15.25 | jOERG_rw | not completely understood yet |
| 20:15.49 | jOERG_rw | bbl |
| 20:16.26 | fspde | so that i can tell my provider: "please send me a card, that is capable of blabla" |
| 20:17.24 | DaveLab | aw |
| 20:17.57 | DaveLab | bah |
| 20:18.21 | DaveLab | ecraven, have you done this yet? |
| 20:18.40 | ecraven | DaveLab: nope :) |
| 20:18.44 | ecraven | DaveLab: but there's something on the wiki |
| 20:18.45 | DaveLab | right now I'm just looking to switch it to logical host mode, since I have a usb hub powering my device |
| 20:18.52 | DaveLab | I didn't find anything -_- |
| 20:18.56 | DaveLab | Any chance you know where it is? :) |
| 20:19.11 | mjr | davelab, you mean this? 23:05 < mjr> for host mode with power intake, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022973.html |
| 20:19.26 | DaveLab | mjr, I'm looking at that right now |
| 20:19.47 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: tststs :-/ |
| 20:20.03 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: RTFM ;-) |
| 20:20.12 | fspde | so that SIM problem is an issue that is related to the calypso firmware and cannot be fixed by hacking the kernel, am i right? |
| 20:20.36 | jOERG_rw | seems even related to calypso hw |
| 20:20.45 | fspde | arrgh |
| 20:20.56 | fspde | uncool! :) |
| 20:21.11 | jOERG_rw | but as I told : "not completely understood yet" |
| 20:21.35 | Zorkman | is there a significant difference between udhcpc and ifup? |
| 20:21.47 | fspde | so is this being worked on by anybody? or have you given up |
| 20:21.51 | DaveLab | joerg, okay okay sheesh |
| 20:22.01 | DaveLab | Joerg sweet I got it to recognize the device |
| 20:22.19 | DaveLab | but the freerunner is not charging (I left host/hostmode set to 0) |
| 20:22.38 | jOERG_rw | fspde: investigation on this still going on |
| 20:22.52 | pantsd__ | DaveLab: arhs. sup? |
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| 20:22.59 | DaveLab | :o |
| 20:23.00 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: how can you tell? |
| 20:23.05 | fspde | thanks jOERG_rw, let's me still hope, and sleep well this night |
| 20:23.09 | DaveLab | joerg, tell that it recognized the device ? |
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| 20:23.19 | DaveLab | well lsusb shows the hub AND the dongle connected to it! |
| 20:23.29 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: charging! |
| 20:23.29 | Chocky | "let us me", heh |
| 20:23.32 | DaveLab | so I'm guessing that setting usb_mode to host accomplished that |
| 20:23.53 | DaveLab | joerg, well because I see no charging indications, that, and the battery level indicator just dropped :D |
| 20:23.57 | jOERG_rw | the icon is worth little |
| 20:24.02 | DaveLab | I know :P |
| 20:24.07 | DaveLab | how could I check this? |
| 20:24.14 | jOERG_rw | read apm |
| 20:24.23 | jOERG_rw | coloumb counter |
| 20:24.25 | DaveLab | :o |
| 20:24.28 | DaveLab | Oh right |
| 20:24.33 | DaveLab | your favorite friend! :] |
| 20:24.41 | Zorkman | jOERG_rw: is it normal that i can not power down the bluetooth with 2007.2? i tried trough the console and with the gui on the freerunner |
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| 20:25.00 | Dragges | does om2007.2 suspend? |
| 20:25.03 | jOERG_rw | Zorkman: sw-issue |
| 20:25.09 | Zorkman | ok, just asking |
| 20:25.39 | Zorkman | anybody: is there a significant difference between udhcpc and ifup? |
| 20:25.52 | Chocky | yes |
| 20:25.54 | DaveLab | Where is that located again? :) |
| 20:26.06 | Chocky | ifup runs one of the dhcp programs that is installed, if required |
| 20:26.26 | Dragges | how do you suspend the freerunner? |
| 20:26.27 | Zorkman | Chocky: which one should i use in my bash file to auto connect to a wifi? |
| 20:26.35 | Chocky | ifup |
| 20:26.49 | Chocky | assuming that /etc/network/interfaces is set, etc |
| 20:27.39 | DaveLab | so joerg, is /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/st |
| 20:27.40 | Zorkman | Chocky: is there a command to check if there is already an interface set (eg, when i run the script i run ifup, but when i want to run the script again, i gott to first run ifdown) |
| 20:27.48 | DaveLab | status, worth nothing? |
| 20:27.48 | Chocky | normally, yes |
| 20:27.52 | Chocky | it's a bit messed up |
| 20:27.56 | jOERG_rw | Zorkman: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=295 |
| 20:28.32 | DaveLab | oh wait, nevermind, I guess that -is- the guage for the counter! |
| 20:28.37 | DaveLab | If I am reading this correctly :) |
| 20:28.56 | Zorkman | jOERG_rw: that is about GPRS and AGPS, i want to use auto connect to wifi, the script is 99% done |
| 20:29.06 | DaveLab | Joerg, the battery status there tells me that it is currently Discharging :) |
| 20:29.12 | jOERG_rw | ah sorry, my error |
| 20:29.25 | Zorkman | np, thanks anyway |
| 20:30.05 | Dragges | anyone? suspending in om2007? |
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| 20:30.48 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: so you probably have to setup another few of those /sys and /dev files accordingly. Skim last three days of [kernel] and [support] for andy mails! it's all in there |
| 20:31.04 | DaveLab | Okay :) |
| 20:31.12 | DaveLab | dankje |
| 20:31.24 | Chocky | FanDaveulous |
| 20:31.52 | pantsd__ | If I provided an alternate gspd ipkg, would anyone be willing to run it and send me the log file? I'm trying to understand the format of +CTZV responses? |
| 20:33.50 | Dragges | is there a way to suspend the freerunner and then wake it up by pressing the power button? The normal power management just locks the screen |
| 20:34.16 | fspde | why not pantsd_ |
| 20:34.29 | Zorkman | Dragges: i though it was apm -s bu haven't tried it myself yet |
| 20:34.55 | Dragges | Zorkman, damn, so it's by command line |
| 20:34.57 | DaveLab | Joerg, where can we send gifts and/or money as tokens of appreciation for all your help and good work? :) |
| 20:35.00 | fspde | just give me a download location, and i'll try it tomorrow, if you like |
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| 20:35.32 | Hydrant | what information can I get from the touch-screen when someone pokes it? The region of poke, center, or what ? |
| 20:35.40 | torpor | hey whats the best way to get wlan working fast on a brand new freerunner, 2007.2? |
| 20:35.45 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: LOL |
| 20:35.55 | Tanuva | torpor: get into /etc/network/interfaces and set it up |
| 20:36.01 | torpor | i don't wanna |
| 20:36.09 | torpor | i just want a button on a python something or other |
| 20:36.10 | Tanuva | then you wont go |
| 20:36.16 | torpor | i know one of you has it. wlan.py |
| 20:36.20 | torpor | gimme |
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| 20:36.26 | DaveLab | Joerg ;) |
| 20:36.28 | Tanuva | I dont know of such a program |
| 20:36.46 | pantsd__ | fspde: yays! thanks :) |
| 20:36.52 | torpor | wget http://hdr.meetr.de/neo/wlan.py |
| 20:36.54 | dtx | torpor place it behind your back tire and put your car into 'R' |
| 20:36.57 | fspde | no problemo :) |
| 20:37.10 | LionKMP | dtx :D |
| 20:37.23 | pantsd__ | fspde: I'll upload it and msg you when I get home :) |
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| 20:38.13 | pantsd__ | probably not for a few hours though, have to fix some bugs in my work code before that :P |
| 20:38.26 | fspde | well i'll return in about 19 hours pantsd_ |
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| 20:41.54 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: (gifts) I won't disclose my address. Afraid of more nasty gifts meant to address my pedecessors ;-) |
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| 20:42.28 | torpor | sweet mercy, wlan.py works nice. |
| 20:42.44 | jOERG_rw | :-) |
| 20:42.48 | fspde | have a good day/night everybody |
| 20:43.16 | Hydrant | does anyone know what info I can get from the touch screen? Just x,y point and pressure? |
| 20:43.23 | McKael | Is there a way to get the exact kernel version (git revision for example)? |
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| 20:43.52 | Hydrant | McKael: uname -a maybe ? |
| 20:44.02 | McKael | Hydrant: no |
| 20:44.25 | jOERG_rw | Hydrant: pressure very unclear. I'd say X Y |
| 20:44.26 | McKael | Hydrant, it will only give me the date |
| 20:44.40 | balrog-kun | Hydrant: yes, only x, y, pressure |
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| 20:44.47 | Hydrant | I want to write a smarter keyboard |
| 20:44.57 | jOERG_rw | balrog-kun: pressure???? |
| 20:44.59 | dtx | wlan.py would be more nice if I could edit wpa_supplicant in it :-P |
| 20:45.00 | DaveLab | anyone else here trolling the lists? :) |
| 20:45.01 | Hydrant | is the pressure fairly accurate or inaccurage ? |
| 20:45.06 | Blalien | http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_and_Windows#USB_Ethernet_emulation Hmmm I can't get this to work. Any advice? |
| 20:45.19 | balrog-kun | jOERG_rw: yep |
| 20:45.39 | balrog-kun | jOERG_rw: oh, yeah, probably not very exact |
| 20:45.39 | jOERG_rw | that's experimental and doesn't work very well AFAIK |
| 20:46.12 | Hydrant | does anyone know where I can find the hardware specs for the touch screen ? I guess I can check the wiki... |
| 20:46.18 | jOERG_rw | balrog-kun: after all it's "area" not exactly "pressure" |
| 20:46.40 | balrog-kun | jOERG_rw: jOERG_rw for tslib to work, the kernel needs to report three values, |
| 20:46.50 | jOERG_rw | or sth liike "force" means area*pressure |
| 20:46.52 | dtx | who wrote wlan.py? |
| 20:46.54 | balrog-kun | jOERG_rw: the hardware always supplies four: x, y, z1, and z2 |
| 20:47.20 | balrog-kun | so the driver i believe divides z2 / z1 - x or something like that and reports that, it's a standard thing for touchscreen drivers |
| 20:47.20 | jOERG_rw | balrog-kun: what's these z* ? |
| 20:47.29 | balrog-kun | jOERG_rw: lemme look up |
| 20:47.38 | DaveLab | you guys talking about accelerometer stuff? :) |
| 20:47.48 | Hydrant | any links or info on the screen would be nice... I hate the keyboards and want to write my own |
| 20:47.51 | jOERG_rw | hw oly reports two A/D values |
| 20:48.30 | DaveLab | mmontour |
| 20:48.32 | jOERG_rw | though you can apply kinky ways to setup meassuring voltage |
| 20:48.55 | Chocky | goddammit. is there a way to edit u-boot vars from within Linux? |
| 20:49.03 | balrog-kun | jOERG_rw: they're called "cross panel measurements" |
| 20:49.07 | Chocky | only needs to change a '2' to a '1' |
| 20:49.07 | mmontour | DaveLab: hi |
| 20:49.13 | balrog-kun | lemme look up what the s3c2440 specifically reports though |
| 20:49.14 | jOERG_rw | thus giving some kinda additional info about area the two planes are contacting each other |
| 20:49.23 | dtx | Hydrant: I am also looking to write a finger keyboard replacement |
| 20:49.34 | Hydrant | dtx: we should pair up then |
| 20:49.36 | DaveLab | mmontour where was that thread about the discharge |
| 20:49.36 | jOERG_rw | (cross panel) that's it. I meant with "kinky" |
| 20:49.48 | DaveLab | I currently see one in support by RSears, was that it? |
| 20:49.51 | Hydrant | dtx: this is the only thing that has reallky motivated me to write code for FR... since I hate the keyboards in qtopia so much |
| 20:49.57 | dtx | Hydrant: have you seen the finger keyboard prototype on projects.openmoko.org |
| 20:49.58 | torpor | oh man, super cool. |
| 20:50.03 | jOERG_rw | balrog-kun: I can tell: X and Y |
| 20:50.03 | torpor | <-- happy to have a freerunner. |
| 20:50.16 | DaveLab | hmm |
| 20:50.17 | Hydrant | dtx: nope |
| 20:50.20 | dtx | Hydrant: I'm running GTK variant though |
| 20:50.22 | dtx | :-P |
| 20:50.36 | DaveLab | kinky |
| 20:50.38 | dtx | But I suppose it could use either maybe |
| 20:50.53 | balrog-kun | jOERG_rw: oh, yes, you're right, the s3c24xx don't report anything beside X, Y |
| 20:50.55 | jOERG_rw | balrog-kun: cross plane has to be done "by code" |
| 20:51.15 | Hydrant | interesting |
| 20:51.35 | balrog-kun | jOERG_rw: all other touchscreen controllers that i've seen in devices with touchscreen report four values from the ADCs |
| 20:51.36 | Hydrant | balrog-kun: is there any way to get more info, or is that all we have to work with ? |
| 20:51.41 | jOERG_rw | I'm investigating this topic for ~5months now |
| 20:51.58 | mmontour | DaveLab: comments on http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1158 |
| 20:52.14 | torpor | balrog-kun: why don't you just look at the driver code? |
| 20:52.19 | torpor | its right there in the source. |
| 20:52.25 | balrog-kun | jOERG_rw: most drivers for the "four-wire touchscreens" even check that the pressure is above some given limit |
| 20:52.28 | jOERG_rw | Hydrant: <jOERG_rw> balrog-kun: cross plane has to be done "by code" |
| 20:52.31 | balrog-kun | torpor: that's where i looked |
| 20:52.37 | torpor | and? |
| 20:52.41 | torpor | it works .. or not? |
| 20:52.48 | Hydrant | jOERG_rw: what do you mean by cross plane ? |
| 20:52.54 | Hydrant | dtx: have you tried that project ? |
| 20:52.55 | balrog-kun | torpor: and s3c24xx reports only x and y from the hardware |
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| 20:53.10 | McKael | Huh. Suspend+resume corrupt my sdcard partition table |
| 20:53.11 | jOERG_rw | Hydrant: that's what they call "pressure" |
| 20:53.33 | Hydrant | jOERG_rw: how can that possibly be calcluated? |
| 20:53.35 | jOERG_rw | Hydrant: <jOERG_rw> thus giving some kinda additional info about area the two planes are contacting each other |
| 20:53.42 | donomo | OSCON openmoko meetup in 1 hour (Portland, Oregon) http://twitter.com/donpdonp/statuses/864477745 |
| 20:53.53 | torpor | balrog-kun: but s3c24xx is getting its details from .. |
| 20:54.24 | balrog-kun | torpor: s3c24xx is the hardware, we have no other source of information |
| 20:55.02 | dtx | Hydrant: I tried it. I was thinking about making the input something described in HTML |
| 20:55.22 | dtx | so it could be changed to whatever one wanted or hidden |
| 20:55.34 | dtx | just using basic tables and links |
| 20:55.41 | Hydrant | dtx: hrrm |
| 20:55.52 | balrog-kun | jOERG_rw: i worked previously with the Texas Instruments touchscreen controllers most of the time (TSC2xxx and ADS748x) and they always make four ADC conversions per sample, so i was used to seeing that |
| 20:56.14 | balrog-kun | jOERG_rw: and the specs give a very clear equation to calculate pressure |
| 20:56.21 | jOERG_rw | balrog-kun: we're missing this in hw |
| 20:56.43 | jOERG_rw | balrog-kun: that's probably for 8wire, not 4wire |
| 20:57.13 | balrog-kun | jOERG_rw: tsc2005 is the one in n800/n810, it's 4wire |
| 20:57.16 | jOERG_rw | balrog-kun: we're missing the R to meassure resistence change of planes |
| 20:57.17 | balrog-kun | and in most Palm models |
| 20:57.21 | DaveLab | Anyone compiled wireless drivers for arm yet? :D |
| 20:57.36 | Blalien | is signature check failed a good sign? I'm trying opkg update |
| 20:57.37 | DaveLab | thanks montour |
| 20:57.56 | jOERG_rw | balrog-kun: 8wire is a way to hook the r-ts up with some R in series to planes |
| 20:58.17 | jOERG_rw | balrog-kun: so you can probe for resistence change |
| 20:58.29 | DaveLab | mmontour that seems pretty vague |
| 20:58.40 | balrog-kun | jOERG_rw: but then there are eight physical wires between touchscreen and cpu, right? |
| 20:58.44 | DaveLab | and I've experienced several variances of what seem to be that |
| 20:58.45 | jOERG_rw | we have low-Z test voltage outputs, so we can't meassure :-/ |
| 20:58.55 | DaveLab | Joerg could surely account or solve them, but hey, he's a busy man! |
| 20:58.56 | jOERG_rw | nope |
| 20:59.10 | DaveLab | and surely gets enough abuse from us ;) |
| 20:59.32 | Hydrant | do any of the current keyboards use statistical information, or math to determine key presses better? |
| 20:59.42 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: don't be vvague, what's up?? |
| 21:00.01 | Hydrant | for instance, if I type thougy it would be smarter to know that it should have been thought... and that unless the press was dead-on y it was most likely thought |
| 21:00.10 | jOERG_rw | Hydrant: rasters predictive kb does |
| 21:00.11 | balrog-kun | jOERG_rw: this one sits in Palm Tungsten|E http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tsc2102.html |
| 21:00.16 | DaveLab | Oh regarding ticket 1158, Andy recommended it be linked to hardware |
| 21:00.17 | Hydrant | ... combining this with a dictionary lookup of words, we can do some nice stuff |
| 21:00.19 | balrog-kun | it says 4-wire in the specs |
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| 21:00.25 | DaveLab | it's clearly been identified as a bug which makes me happy |
| 21:00.33 | Hydrant | jOERG_rw: the predictive kb in qtopia ? |
| 21:00.41 | balrog-kun | jOERG_rw: nseries and most nokia phones have a very similar one (tsc2005 or tsc2101) |
| 21:00.50 | DaveLab | though I have experienced a few variances of this bug so I may post/link a reply to it in hardware or kernel |
| 21:00.54 | Chocky | woot |
| 21:00.57 | jOERG_rw | Hydrant: guess so |
| 21:01.08 | Chocky | finally invoked correct runes for u-boot + Debian + ext3 after about 6 tries |
| 21:01.10 | Hydrant | k |
| 21:01.18 | Chocky | had to type it exactly, since cut and paste seems all messed up |
| 21:01.20 | DaveLab | I also have a frequent issue where whether it be a wall or pc powered usb connection to the freerunner, I always have to plug it in "twice" for it to work |
| 21:01.32 | Chocky | in Debian karma |
| 21:01.36 | jOERG_rw | balrog-kun: you may use 4wire as a 8wire. just need the Rs. we dont have |
| 21:01.48 | balrog-kun | jOERG_rw: i see |
| 21:01.57 | DaveLab | that is the first time it flashes the usb indicator and then never charges or and the pc linux confirms this is the case, but when simply reconnected again, it works fine, and begins charging. |
| 21:02.05 | Chocky | h5s Dave |
| 21:02.06 | balrog-kun | jOERG_rw: their specs don't mention 8-wire anywhere though :-P |
| 21:02.10 | DaveLab | I have learned to live with it, but it also seems related |
| 21:02.29 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: update u-boot! |
| 21:02.47 | DaveLab | One other bug I experience that I believe mmontour has heard me utter, is either the same one on ticket #1158 where after fully charging on a pc usb connection, it begins discharging, until it shuts off |
| 21:02.49 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: wait for fix in rootfs |
| 21:03.13 | DaveLab | another issue is when connected to the ac usb connector for "too long" the freerunner always shuts off |
| 21:03.21 | DaveLab | and I wake up and it's shut off and noticibly hot |
| 21:03.31 | DaveLab | I figure the internal battery temp tripped |
| 21:03.32 | DaveLab | :\ |
| 21:03.44 | balrog-kun | remembers using his Palm Tungsten|E for a scales |
| 21:03.50 | Hydrant | balrog-kun, jOERG_rw thanks for the help... I'll see what I can do to get a nice smart keyboard |
| 21:04.01 | jOERG_rw | waaah that's not nice :-( |
| 21:04.19 | DaveLab | joerg, what, that charging issue? |
| 21:04.27 | balrog-kun | you would put the pda flat on the desk and put a (not too heavy) thing on the touchscreen and linux would then convert that to grams |
| 21:04.32 | jOERG_rw | yep, hot bat |
| 21:04.35 | DaveLab | yeah, it certainly isn't nice at all :( |
| 21:05.05 | DaveLab | but I have confirmed this on 3 freerunners |
| 21:05.05 | Zorkman | sometimes i get an error running "iwlist eth0 scanning" saying "eth0 Failed to read scan data : Resource temporarily unavailable" only reboot fixes this, anyone any tips? |
| 21:05.05 | DaveLab | so I'm guessing it's not just my one defective one or something :P |
| 21:05.19 | dtx | Hey whoever is doing WIFI support in python might want to consider adding it to this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SettingsGUI |
| 21:05.36 | cjb | Zorkman: me too |
| 21:05.47 | DaveLab | joerg, it's difficult for me to get info about that one though because I cannot read the temp directly so I can't exactly dump data before it shuts off, at least that's my guess! |
| 21:05.56 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: I'll think about a script to closely scrutineze charging and create a log to study later on |
| 21:05.58 | DaveLab | it tends to happen while I'm asleep, so I'm not exactly sure :P |
| 21:06.04 | cjb | dtx: I'd rather work on something that can go into the base 2007.2 image |
| 21:06.05 | DaveLab | joerg, okay, thanks! |
| 21:06.05 | Blalien | does someone have a better tutorial for connecting the Neo to the internet under Windows? |
| 21:06.07 | cjb | which means doing it in C |
| 21:06.09 | Zorkman | cjp: i have a script to auto connect and it works one time, but when i try again i alway get this error |
| 21:06.26 | Zorkman | Blallien: you can use VMware... |
| 21:06.30 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: read temp isn't that hard. bat will tell |
| 21:06.37 | jOERG_rw | IIRC |
| 21:06.53 | DaveLab | joerg, my understanding was that you couldn't read from the battery's internal sensory :p |
| 21:07.02 | DaveLab | that it was enclosed and unable to interface? |
| 21:07.03 | Zorkman | anyone else has seen the error "eth0 Failed to read scan data : Resource temporarily unavailable" ne any tips? ? |
| 21:07.24 | Blalien | Zorkman: I forgot about that... |
| 21:07.26 | Blalien | XD |
| 21:07.57 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: have a look at coloumb, there it shpuld shine up somewhere IIRC |
| 21:08.11 | DaveLab | hmmm, okay |
| 21:08.17 | DaveLab | joerg, what is that device again btw? :P |
| 21:08.25 | Zorkman | cjb: i found a fix |
| 21:08.34 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: don't ask me sw-iissues ;-) |
| 21:08.39 | Zorkman | cjb: type iwlist retry |
| 21:08.42 | Zorkman | afterwards it works again |
| 21:08.53 | DaveLab | hehe |
| 21:08.55 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: not even kernel ones |
| 21:09.11 | DaveLab | okay ;) |
| 21:09.12 | Zorkman | cjb: iwlist eth0 retry i emean |
| 21:09.17 | jOERG_rw | again: skim lists for Andy's posts |
| 21:09.18 | DaveLab | fair enough :p |
| 21:09.23 | DaveLab | I am!:F |
| 21:09.24 | DaveLab | :D |
| 21:09.27 | dtx | cjb: might I suggest python prototype to get things going? |
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| 21:09.43 | DaveLab | Though I still haven't found that usb one we were discussing earlier :| |
| 21:09.49 | DaveLab | I may just ask him directly |
| 21:09.56 | DaveLab | s/ask/confront/ |
| 21:10.02 | DaveLab | >:) |
| 21:10.21 | jOERG_rw | apt: shut up! |
| 21:10.22 | apt | get lost, jerkoff |
| 21:10.30 | DaveLab | haha |
| 21:10.33 | DaveLab | :P |
| 21:10.38 | DaveLab | naughty bot |
| 21:10.43 | Chocky | apt: loser |
| 21:10.44 | apt | somebody said loser was Al Gore |
| 21:10.49 | cjb | dtx: if python's allowed, just install wifi-radar |
| 21:10.51 | DaveLab | oh snap |
| 21:10.51 | Chocky | apt: looser than a loser |
| 21:11.04 | DaveLab | meanwhile I'm ponding how grusome it might be to cross-compile drivers |
| 21:11.06 | DaveLab | let's find out :D |
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| 21:11.36 | dtx | cjb: makes sense :-P |
| 21:12.50 | GoldenHawk | aws when he realizes the e-mail stuff is just a placeholder |
| 21:13.19 | GoldenHawk | Well that's it. I'm sending it back. |
| 21:13.22 | GoldenHawk | j/k :p |
| 21:14.17 | dtx | man I wish there was a standard scripting language chosen |
| 21:14.22 | dtx | I would have even settled with Perl |
| 21:14.44 | dtx | Just for basic inteface needs |
| 21:14.55 | GoldenHawk | sh is pretty standard. |
| 21:15.13 | dtx | yikes |
| 21:15.15 | dtx | too basic |
| 21:15.16 | dtx | :-P |
| 21:15.25 | dtx | that and sh in this case is busybox |
| 21:15.31 | GoldenHawk | Thus illustrating why having an overarching standard is a bad idea :p |
| 21:15.53 | GoldenHawk | All these different languages seem to be someone's answer to being tired of sh :p |
| 21:16.09 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=297 |
| 21:16.17 | GoldenHawk | Who knows.. maybe one day, one of the will have the honor of being the annoynig obsolete standard everyone is trying to break out of :p |
| 21:16.29 | GoldenHawk | one of them |
| 21:16.39 | dtx | yeah, but there are obviously a few that stick out Python, Perl, Fortran ;-) |
| 21:16.50 | GoldenHawk | Heh, fortran ^.^ Yeah go for that one :p |
| 21:18.23 | GoldenHawk | This phone is so cool.. I'm fantasizing a bit about carrying around a tri-corder :p |
| 21:18.28 | GoldenHawk | When I go out with the GPS. |
| 21:18.47 | Chocky | hm, how to calibrate touch screen in debian? :o |
| 21:19.14 | jOERG_rw | GoldenHawk: microfocus fortran/cobol? LOL |
| 21:19.30 | GoldenHawk | Ah debian. Hey, how does booting from sd work? Do you boot from the SD card device, or from a file on it? |
| 21:19.57 | Chocky | the question doesn't quite make sense. the kernel and FS are both on MMC |
| 21:20.07 | Chocky | u-boot can pick them up, but you need lots of runes |
| 21:20.30 | GoldenHawk | Well I'll try to ask questions that make sense next time ^.^ |
| 21:20.33 | GoldenHawk | *goes to read the docs* |
| 21:20.34 | Chocky | good |
| 21:20.48 | Chocky | the wiki isn't 100% clear on all this, because u-boot and such has been changing |
| 21:20.56 | jOERG_rw | away |
| 21:20.57 | Chocky | took me a lot of tries |
| 21:21.45 | Blalien | my neo is showing constantly the same information after running opkg upgrade is this normal? |
| 21:21.56 | Chocky | no |
| 21:22.08 | Chocky | but what is "the same information"? |
| 21:22.24 | dtx | Is pywebkitgtk packaged already? |
| 21:23.09 | dtx | in the repos I mean |
| 21:23.14 | Blalien | Chocky: PCF50633_irq; entering(irq=53, pcf=c7d34c00): etc.... |
| 21:23.30 | Chocky | what does that have to do with opkg? |
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| 21:23.54 | Blalien | it shows that after running opkg update like i said before |
| 21:24.06 | thewtex | Chocky: would be nice to have a wiki page that shows how to install debian ;-) |
| 21:24.09 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r036dbe7bcee3 10/ (9 files in 6 dirs): |
| 21:24.09 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: make sure SimReady() and AuthStatus() signals are sent whenever the status can change. |
| 21:24.09 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: NB: Fix channel initialization from copy'n'paste error. |
| 21:24.10 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0bd25ba66699 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (modems/abstract/mediator.py objects.py): ogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.SendStoredMessage(i:index) -> () |
| 21:24.23 | Chocky | thewtex_: exists, but it's far from clear :p |
| 21:24.35 | thewtex | nice |
| 21:25.05 | Chocky | like much of the wiki, it's a jumble of unordered, grammatically bad and out of date information |
| 21:25.09 | Chocky | :-( |
| 21:25.11 | jOERG_rw | Chocky: see [kernel] subject: Re: [PATCH] fix-data-abort / Ext3 boot OK on U-Boot |
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| 21:25.32 | Chocky | jOERG_rw: I already have the latest u-boot, so that's not an issue for me. |
| 21:25.50 | Chocky | the main problem is that it's near unusable over serial |
| 21:25.58 | jOERG_rw | Chocky: that's about boot from SD |
| 21:26.03 | Chocky | knows |
| 21:26.20 | thewtex | Chocky: please fix the wiki |
| 21:26.30 | DaveLab | ROFL |
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| 21:26.37 | Chocky | no, I just tell others what to do. |
| 21:26.48 | DaveLab | So it tells me it's charging at 500mA but the phone status states that it is Discharging |
| 21:26.52 | Chocky | I have made a number of small fixes, but I don |
| 21:26.59 | Chocky | don't have time for an all out session yet. |
| 21:27.26 | thewtex | not saying the whole thing, but the debian part |
| 21:27.48 | Chocky | yes, that's all I'm talking about too :o |
| 21:28.17 | Chocky | in any case, it's really a PITA without u-boot being so hard to use over serial |
| 21:28.25 | Chocky | I had to type in a 60 character command perfectly |
| 21:28.35 | thewtex | a lot of the problem with the wiki is redunantcy, but I have tried to fix some of that |
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| 21:30.02 | DaveLab | mmm... pita |
| 21:30.06 | malik1972 | lpotter: ping |
| 21:30.09 | Chocky | pizza on pita |
| 21:30.13 | DaveLab | mmm :D |
| 21:30.23 | DaveLab | Chocky, I actually have prepped pizza dough, though :) |
| 21:30.27 | Chocky | woot. |
| 21:30.34 | DaveLab | and I baked the dough alreadey |
| 21:30.38 | Chocky | heroic! |
| 21:30.40 | DaveLab | I have two pizzas soon to be ready :D |
| 21:30.57 | DaveLab | So when I get home that's the first thing I am doing :D |
| 21:31.03 | Chocky | upgrades a kazillion Debian packages. slowly. |
| 21:31.10 | DaveLab | THEN I SHALL DEVOUR THEM! |
| 21:31.23 | DaveLab | salivates grotesquely |
| 21:31.27 | Chocky | and then more! and more! and then the world! |
| 21:31.38 | DaveLab | devour world? |
| 21:31.43 | DaveLab | sounds like a gentoo spinoff :p |
| 21:31.54 | Chocky | no, that's just sick. |
| 21:31.55 | DaveLab | ln -ns devour emerge ;) |
| 21:31.58 | DaveLab | haha :P |
| 21:32.02 | DaveLab | yeah, fucking ricers ;) |
| 21:32.06 | Chocky | laffs |
| 21:32.08 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: lol |
| 21:32.20 | leinir | That's still something like the best website that ever was *giggles* :) |
| 21:32.23 | Chocky | besides, sounds like Lexx |
| 21:32.30 | Chocky | where he does in fact, eat many worlds |
| 21:32.33 | DaveLab | what, funroll-loops? |
| 21:32.53 | Chocky | I worship his shadow |
| 21:32.56 | leinir | http://web.archive.org/web/20061004200708/http://www.funroll-loops.org/ |
| 21:32.57 | DaveLab | :D |
| 21:32.59 | DaveLab | yeah |
| 21:33.15 | leinir | (yeah, i actually have that archive bookmarked ;D ) |
| 21:33.17 | DaveLab | Fortunately I locally mirrored the site before it went offline several years ago, sadly. |
| 21:33.25 | DaveLab | :D |
| 21:33.33 | bagpuss_thecat | wonders why http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems doesn't appear in the results when you search the wiki for "GPS" |
| 21:33.35 | DaveLab | So all my friends can still enjoy it :D |
| 21:34.12 | Chocky | hooray for archive.org |
| 21:34.14 | DaveLab | Leinir that sucks, because it doesn't have the pictures or anything :P |
| 21:34.25 | Chocky | does too |
| 21:34.27 | Elleo | does the latest kernel image have the GPS/SD patch? |
| 21:34.28 | DaveLab | which was at least one quarter to one half the amusement. |
| 21:34.30 | DaveLab | :D |
| 21:34.31 | leinir | Sure it does! :) |
| 21:34.33 | DaveLab | high-fives Chocky |
| 21:34.40 | leinir | Does here anyway ;) |
| 21:34.49 | DaveLab | oh I see |
| 21:34.50 | jOERG_rw | bagpuss_thecat: probably because three-lettter-search isn't fixed yet |
| 21:34.53 | DaveLab | it's just fucked up formatting :D |
| 21:34.55 | DaveLab | thanks |
| 21:35.06 | Chocky | underline _everything_ |
| 21:35.37 | jOERG_rw | Elleo: yep |
| 21:35.39 | DaveLab | Joerg, I am still unsure where to send money/gifts :) |
| 21:35.50 | bagpuss_thecat | jOERG_rw: aah, fairy nuff |
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| 21:36.08 | Elleo | jOERG_rw: thanks; thought it must do, since I got a fix inside my house just now :) |
| 21:36.10 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: I'm still uncertain what to do with tose ticking packages ;-) |
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| 21:36.30 | Sargun | Any idea when stuff is shipping? |
| 21:36.52 | DaveLab | Oh and the kernel microsd patch did nothing for me (but it works without an sd card), so I will let you know if the recent glamo drive modifications work, once I go outside :) |
| 21:37.01 | DaveLab | joerg, hehe |
| 21:37.02 | Sargun | Order date: |
| 21:37.03 | Sargun | Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:23 AM |
| 21:37.05 | jOERG_rw | Elleo: yeah!!! gimme more of that! |
| 21:37.20 | DaveLab | haha |
| 21:37.37 | Elleo | even my old sirf 3 gps unit doesn't get fixes in the house |
| 21:37.42 | Elleo | so I'm pretty impressed :) |
| 21:37.48 | bagpuss_thecat | I'm curious to know if OpenMoko can provide a date or some indication of when units with the capacitor fix will be shipped from |
| 21:37.49 | DaveLab | Fuck |
| 21:37.58 | DaveLab | I found another power related, or charging bug :( |
| 21:38.08 | bagpuss_thecat | "We're still working on it" is another answer :-) |
| 21:38.16 | Chocky | "dunno" |
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| 21:38.27 | Chocky | or "as soon as you fix it youself" |
| 21:38.32 | DaveLab | ;D |
| 21:38.37 | jOERG_rw | bagpuss_thecat: we're fixing in may ways ;-) |
| 21:38.44 | dtx | so does anyone know if 2007.2 has pywebkitgtk in its repos? |
| 21:39.00 | jOERG_rw | honestly, probably you won't care about it, once sw fix is ready |
| 21:39.10 | bagpuss_thecat | true enough |
| 21:39.21 | bagpuss_thecat | I could also drive to SpeedEvils :-p |
| 21:39.31 | bagpuss_thecat | s'like 45 minutes that way -> |
| 21:40.19 | DaveLab | :p |
| 21:40.22 | jOERG_rw | Elleo: go on, reort on it, at [community] theres a long thread, we're all pleased to hear it works |
| 21:40.26 | DaveLab | he'll solder you up, real nice :p |
| 21:40.30 | kelvie_work | anyone have a recent (as in newer than 22) version of emacs built in OE? |
| 21:40.32 | Chocky | ^ 6 hours thataway |
| 21:40.48 | DaveLab | joerg, I fear sometime soon you won't be so pleased after I start posting all my power issues on the mailing list ;) |
| 21:40.54 | Elleo | jOERG_rw: okay :) |
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| 21:41.04 | Chocky | Dave: don't worry, it'll be lost in the noise |
| 21:41.13 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: nah, I din't mind |
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| 21:41.24 | DaveLab | Okay :) |
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| 21:42.10 | jOERG_rw | we're looking into every bug-report. we need input to find the story behind issues. so go ahead, post it |
| 21:43.03 | jeffszusz | how's the openmoko OS coming? is a non-SuperGenius usable phone within reach? :D |
| 21:43.49 | jeffszusz | or is it still quite a swamp? |
| 21:44.06 | jOERG_rw | jeffszusz: nope we will *never* make FR availably to anybody who's not a super-genius ;-) |
| 21:44.08 | Chocky | I keep mentioning a cesspit |
| 21:44.20 | DaveLab | :P |
| 21:45.07 | jOERG_rw | honestly, no date yet |
| 21:45.12 | DaveLab | Heil Joerg! |
| 21:45.24 | ieatlint | you should just start giving a random date |
| 21:45.29 | ieatlint | "February 7" |
| 21:45.29 | Chocky | 1/1/1 |
| 21:45.36 | *** join/#openmoko pyknite (n=pyknite@83.68.218.53) |
| 21:45.37 | CVirus | LOL |
| 21:45.41 | jeffszusz | not looking for a date, there never is one in the OSS industry... i'm looking for a span of time within the next year and a half ish :P |
| 21:45.54 | Chocky | 01/01/19109 |
| 21:46.06 | jOERG_rw | :-D |
| 21:46.08 | jeffszusz | excellent, i'll mark that in my calendar Chocky XD |
| 21:46.14 | CVirus | hehe |
| 21:46.22 | ieatlint | well, if the joke weren't already old, i'd be posting unix epoc stamps |
| 21:46.30 | jeffszusz | i wonder if they will still have iCal in another 17000 years |
| 21:46.42 | Chocky | linters. |
| 21:47.06 | ieatlint | seemingly FSO is where the stability/usability is coming |
| 21:47.12 | dtx | I wonder if I'd give a shit in 17000 years |
| 21:47.15 | dtx | :-P |
| 21:47.15 | jOERG_rw | jeffszusz: sure, only its quantum stored by then |
| 21:47.18 | ieatlint | as to when that will be ... well, it's at milestone 1 now |
| 21:48.10 | jeffszusz | we finally got the iPhone in canada and it's taunting me |
| 21:48.24 | BBishop | jeffszusz, don't do it ! |
| 21:48.26 | thewtex | Chocky: are you using an SDHC card? in the wiki debian page they say the put the rootfs on a SDHC, but I tried that the other day and it didn't -- and it says it shouldn't work in the 'Booting from SD' page ... |
| 21:48.26 | DaveLab | I think I need to learn German now, to continue development with the freeunner :P |
| 21:48.30 | jeffszusz | although their "you have to buy apps at the app store or else!" policy pisses me off |
| 21:48.44 | Chocky | regular SD. As I say, it's all outta date. |
| 21:48.46 | ieatlint | i'm told the 3g versions has issues |
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| 21:49.14 | ieatlint | it's ability to switch between 2.5g and 3g is apparently ... crappy as all hell |
| 21:49.19 | ieatlint | err, its |
| 21:49.23 | jeffszusz | all the iphones have issues...mainly the fact that unlocking them causes the legitimate features to break... but they sure are pretty |
| 21:49.48 | Chocky | Dave: repeat after me "Mein Kampf" |
| 21:49.53 | ieatlint | yeah, the hardware acceleration that allows a really fluid and pretty UI is indeed nice |
| 21:49.55 | DaveLab | Joerg, for that neat openmoko-battery-panel2 app, do I have to cross-compile it for the phone? :) |
| 21:49.57 | mmontour | thewtex: SDHC should be OK on Freerunner. Neo1973 u-boot can't access SDHC yet. |
| 21:50.05 | neldoreth | ah friend just told me that his freerunner has a battery life of 2 hours - can someone confirm this? - i thought i read about 12 hours with wlan :> |
| 21:50.16 | Chocky | someone invoke SpeedBot |
| 21:50.18 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: think it's ppythhon |
| 21:50.27 | Chocky | is that like p-p-p-powerbook? |
| 21:50.33 | ieatlint | Chocky: halt den mund, oder ich kampfe mit dir |
| 21:50.37 | jOERG_rw | nahhh mmyy keyybooraard suuucckks |
| 21:50.38 | Chocky | uh huh. |
| 21:50.41 | ieatlint | :P |
| 21:50.41 | SpeedEvil | neldoreth: battery life is a work in progress. |
| 21:51.02 | jeffszusz | *under his breath* i think everything is a work in progress... |
| 21:51.06 | SpeedEvil | neldoreth: the power managment software has a _long_ way to go. But 2 hours seems a bit pessimitic. |
| 21:51.22 | neldoreth | SpeedEvil yeah i know - but i thought it improved rigorous |
| 21:51.26 | thewtex | mmontour: hmm, maybe I will try again with the SDHC, but I was pretty sure it wouldn't, of course I still have the stock freerunner u-boot |
| 21:51.39 | DaveLab | joerg, nah the python app was something different |
| 21:51.50 | DaveLab | I think, anyway! |
| 21:51.59 | DaveLab | You tell me, I can't read it very well ;) |
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| 21:52.27 | neldoreth | SpeedEvil can you give me a realistic battery life time? what i can expect? i think its just a software problem, so we can expect more in future |
| 21:52.29 | mmontour | thewtex: I recommend that you wait a few days for a new build of u-boot to come out, and for someone to de-cruft the "Booting from SD" wiki page. |
| 21:52.56 | Chocky | I might roll an updated Debian filesystem if you're lucky |
| 21:52.59 | thewtex | mmontour: ok |
| 21:53.59 | ieatlint | neldoreth: it depends what you have on (gps, wifi, backlight constantly in use) ... i'd say 4-12, with a realistic average being closer to 6 |
| 21:54.05 | SpeedEvil | neldoreth: in the future. |
| 21:54.42 | SpeedEvil | neldoreth: somwhere around a week standby, 5-6 hours talk-time or PDA, 20 hours MP3 (one of the previous, not all) |
| 21:55.11 | SpeedEvil | neldoreth: these seem to be a bit pessimistic, based on numbers that are available. But we're not really close to there yet. |
| 21:55.34 | lymeca | Can the Freerunner obtain a GPS signal without cellular connection? In other words, does it have dedicated GPS? |
| 21:55.39 | DaveLab | I need more coulombs! |
| 21:55.42 | ieatlint | lymeca: yes |
| 21:55.47 | SpeedEvil | lysanderslair: yes |
| 21:55.53 | ieatlint | lymeca: in fact, having cell reception won't help it at the moment |
| 21:55.57 | lymeca | ieatlint: It doesn't need an external connection antenna though? |
| 21:56.05 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: no antenna needed |
| 21:56.11 | neldoreth | ieatlint - yeah thats for sure - and with standyby / gsm not more? 12 hours? - SpeedEvil this numbers should we have in the future right? |
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| 21:56.35 | lymeca | That sounds great. Is the TangoGPS feature built-in? Does that require cellular reception? I imagine it would, because as I understand it that's an Internet service. |
| 21:56.55 | igor321 | SpeedEvil: isn't 20 huors MP3 a bit optimistic? using something like 40% CPU for decoding? |
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| 21:57.11 | SpeedEvil | No - tangogps requires an internet connection, or predownloading tiles. |
| 21:57.12 | ieatlint | neldoreth: standby is completely unreliable at the moment (often won't come back up, or you'll miss calls when in it) |
| 21:57.14 | SpeedEvil | iugo: not really |
| 21:57.27 | SpeedEvil | igor321: MP3 takes about 50MHz on the GTA01 to decode |
| 21:57.38 | SpeedEvil | igor321: so it can clock down quite far. |
| 21:57.49 | igor321 | SpeedEvil: nice ;) |
| 21:58.09 | lymeca | SpeedEvil: So you need to be on Wifi specifically for TangoGPS to work on the fly? There's no way to use GSM to obtain such data? |
| 21:58.31 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: no, you can use GSM |
| 21:58.44 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: but this is downloading data - not for getting a position. |
| 21:58.47 | neldoreth | ok thanks for the info |
| 21:59.04 | lymeca | So getting position is separate from both GSM and Wifi, because of the dedicated GPS |
| 21:59.09 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: yes |
| 21:59.24 | lymeca | Whereas getting tle data from TangoGPS will either be done via GSM (slow) or Wifi (faster) |
| 21:59.39 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: you just won't have any map data if you wander over the edge of the downloaded maps with no internet conenction of some sort. |
| 22:00.06 | igor321 | SpeedEvil: do you work for OM? |
| 22:00.15 | lymeca | SpeedEvil: But can you manually download the data of specific tiles before entering them if you know you won't have a GSM signal? |
| 22:00.20 | SpeedEvil | igor321: no |
| 22:00.26 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: yes |
| 22:00.43 | lymeca | Is tangoGPS built-in to OpenMoko's default software stack? |
| 22:00.47 | cjb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.48 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: no |
| 22:00.53 | cjb | you do opkg install tangogps to get it. |
| 22:01.06 | lymeca | Okay, are the packages installed on the SD card? |
| 22:01.10 | igor321 | SpeedEvil: you should |
| 22:01.15 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: you can |
| 22:01.27 | lymeca | Does the Freerunner support SDHC cards? |
| 22:01.32 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: yes |
| 22:01.39 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: up to 8G has been tested. |
| 22:01.45 | lymeca | So what, max of 8GB or 16GB? |
| 22:01.47 | lymeca | Oh okay |
| 22:01.54 | SpeedEvil | 32 - but nobody makes those |
| 22:02.02 | SpeedEvil | 32 is the limit of the SDHC spec. |
| 22:02.09 | lymeca | SpeedEvil: Okay cool. My last GPS-related question is about toptographic map data. |
| 22:02.24 | lymeca | I believe that TangoGPS is just street data |
| 22:02.28 | DaveLab | just connect it to an external hdd |
| 22:02.29 | DaveLab | :p |
| 22:02.30 | SpeedEvil | However, it's vastly likely that the hardware will support larger than 32. |
| 22:02.36 | DaveLab | or better yet, NAS |
| 22:02.39 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: look on tangogps page again |
| 22:02.40 | DaveLab | :) |
| 22:02.51 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: there is a how to download US topographic maps |
| 22:03.02 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 22:03.03 | DaveLab | Speedevil, do you play with it much? |
| 22:03.10 | SpeedEvil | DaveLab: what? |
| 22:03.12 | lymeca | jesus this thing seems too good to be true |
| 22:03.17 | DaveLab | I am still wondering if anyone has gotten maps-for-free to work correctly with tango |
| 22:03.33 | DaveLab | lymeca, what, tango? it's pretty sweet, until you locate all it's failures |
| 22:03.34 | DaveLab | :) |
| 22:03.35 | Chocky | Dave: depends what you mean by "to work" |
| 22:03.35 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: not really - it's barely a functional phone at the moment, which makes it a bit less cool. |
| 22:03.37 | SpeedEvil | DaveLab: yes |
| 22:03.42 | SpeedEvil | DaveLab: And added to them. |
| 22:03.48 | DaveLab | :O |
| 22:03.54 | SpeedEvil | DaveLab: though not with the FR, with the neo. |
| 22:03.57 | DaveLab | Do you have the repo info? |
| 22:04.00 | DaveLab | it shouldn't matter |
| 22:04.01 | Chocky | when I reinstalled the image, I wasn't sure how to make it redownload the maps |
| 22:04.07 | lymeca | By barely functional phone you mean, what, it crashed or drops calls or what? |
| 22:04.07 | SpeedEvil | DaveLab: repo info? |
| 22:04.10 | DaveLab | yeah |
| 22:04.12 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: yes |
| 22:04.15 | SpeedEvil | DaveLab: repo info? |
| 22:04.26 | DaveLab | the repository information for it |
| 22:04.31 | SpeedEvil | DaveLab: for what |
| 22:04.32 | DaveLab | Unless you weren't answering yes to that :) |
| 22:04.39 | DaveLab | the maps-for-free repo -_- |
| 22:04.46 | SpeedEvil | openstreetmap.org |
| 22:04.46 | lymeca | SpeedEvil: Can the Freerunner run an SIP application? Have you tested it with SIP? |
| 22:05.03 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: no - I haven't. |
| 22:05.05 | DaveLab | I'll ask again another time :P |
| 22:05.25 | SpeedEvil | Dave: I'm sorry, I think we're talking at cross purposes. |
| 22:05.35 | Chocky | "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that" |
| 22:05.41 | SpeedEvil | DaveLab: what are you expecting at this repo? |
| 22:05.43 | lymeca | I'd be very interested in the capability of VoIP using OpenMoko, especially if the SIP application had built-in ZRTP encryption (like Twinkle) |
| 22:05.45 | mjr | lymeca, obviously, it can |
| 22:05.50 | DaveLab | Speedevil you can add repos |
| 22:05.50 | *** join/#openmoko Skorzen (n=Skorzen@89.181.81.138) |
| 22:05.52 | DaveLab | in tango |
| 22:06.00 | DaveLab | the site mentions OA and MFF |
| 22:06.01 | Chocky | lymeca: if it's Linux, it can probably run on FR |
| 22:06.07 | DaveLab | that they can be "simply added" |
| 22:06.08 | mjr | lymeca, there's been talk of twinkle on the community list I think, zrtp was mentioned. I have also tried to plug it due to that capability. |
| 22:06.10 | DaveLab | which is incorrect |
| 22:06.15 | DaveLab | at least when I did it on a couple phones |
| 22:06.18 | SpeedEvil | DaveLab: ah - you mean sourced for map tiles. |
| 22:06.24 | DaveLab | yes |
| 22:06.28 | kelvie_work | anyone having trouble compiling "exposure" for the qtopia-x11-dev image? |
| 22:06.35 | DaveLab | mff has neat relief maps which I wanted on the phone |
| 22:06.38 | SpeedEvil | DaveLab: look on the tangogps page |
| 22:06.40 | DaveLab | since the openaerial ones sucked |
| 22:06.41 | DaveLab | I did |
| 22:06.46 | DaveLab | It lacks that specificity |
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| 22:07.02 | SpeedEvil | Dave: rectifying maps between coordinate systems can be nasty. |
| 22:07.03 | DaveLab | since it assumes you can "simply enter them" |
| 22:07.08 | lymeca | mjr: Wow that would be incredible. Mobile ZRTP... would GSM signals have enough bandwidth to support such a VoIP call over SIP? Or would you need to use Wifi? |
| 22:07.10 | DaveLab | no kidding |
| 22:07.16 | DaveLab | :[ |
| 22:07.25 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: not really - up to 2s delay |
| 22:07.29 | Chocky | SIP is only 100Kbit, so I imagine so |
| 22:07.33 | edistar | lymeca: not really, latency is much to high.. gprs wouldn't be able to carry a voip call |
| 22:07.38 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: |
| 22:07.41 | DaveLab | and when I "simply add" mff to the repos list it crashes tango every time ;) |
| 22:07.41 | Chocky | too :p |
| 22:07.43 | mjr | lymeca, gprs has nasty lag and quality of service (or lack thereof). You'd want CSD, which costs, or wifi |
| 22:07.45 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: GPRS is only 56K/s or so |
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| 22:07.47 | DaveLab | I thought I'd submit it as a bug :p |
| 22:07.50 | Chocky | humpfh. |
| 22:07.54 | Chocky | telt. |
| 22:08.03 | edistar | CSD? |
| 22:08.03 | DaveLab | food. |
| 22:08.10 | SpeedEvil | DaveLab: and you're sure that those maps actually permit user-downloading? |
| 22:08.16 | DaveLab | absolutely |
| 22:08.16 | mjr | edistar, circuit switched data, that is, "a data call" |
| 22:08.16 | Chocky | pats CDMA |
| 22:08.22 | DaveLab | speedevil, they even provide an api |
| 22:08.24 | DaveLab | :P |
| 22:08.28 | mjr | you get 9k6 (or perhaps 14k4) _but_ that's guaranteed and with lesser lag |
| 22:08.30 | edistar | mjr: ah, not used much I guess? |
| 22:08.35 | DaveLab | and it says so on the tango site :P |
| 22:08.38 | tc | Does anyone know how I can create an icon on the ASU "desktop" so I can launch an application? |
| 22:08.42 | DaveLab | doesn't everybody read? |
| 22:08.48 | Chocky | DaveLab: no |
| 22:08.53 | edistar | tc: .desktop file |
| 22:09.01 | mjr | edistar, not really much, no, though some commercial cryptophones use that |
| 22:09.13 | tc | edistar: No wonder find didn't help me, thanks :) |
| 22:09.22 | DaveLab | oh shit, one second while I check if I destroyed a freerunner or not |
| 22:09.29 | Chocky | aw. |
| 22:09.31 | dtx | Someone should post a link to the IRC logs of this channel |
| 22:09.40 | dtx | on the wiki |
| 22:09.49 | dtx | assuming they exist |
| 22:09.51 | thewtex | dtx its there |
| 22:09.53 | thewtex | ' |
| 22:09.58 | dtx | oh |
| 22:10.02 | edistar | for how long does ASU check the sd card? it's been going on for about 1h now.. |
| 22:10.02 | dtx | well no excuse then |
| 22:10.04 | dtx | :-P |
| 22:10.04 | lymeca | mjr: I hadn't heard of GPRS vs. CSD before (I don't have a phone because of freedom issues so I'm not up on cellular technology), but wikipedia says CSD is only 9.6kb/s whereas GPRS is much FASTER at 56 - 114 kb/s? |
| 22:10.13 | edistar | qpe swallowing the cpu |
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| 22:10.32 | DaveLab | om nom nom nom! |
| 22:10.39 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: yes - but GPRS is also 56K/s only on the FR, and CSD is expensive. |
| 22:10.42 | Chocky | angry Canadian! |
| 22:10.47 | mjr | lymeca, yes. But I told you already why CSD is better _for this purpose_ |
| 22:10.54 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: and may be unavailable. |
| 22:10.55 | doc|work | Chocky: who? |
| 22:11.13 | Chocky | doc|home: dunno, do you qualify? Does it help if mention UPS and Rogers? |
| 22:11.21 | Chocky | and my nick completion? |
| 22:11.23 | doc|work | Chocky: I'm not canadian, so no |
| 22:11.33 | Chocky | oh year. |
| 22:11.37 | Chocky | close enough. |
| 22:11.42 | DaveLab | heh |
| 22:11.47 | DaveLab | CAD UPS BBQ |
| 22:11.47 | Kensan | lymeca: minisip is a sip-client which is actually in the repository but nobody has tried so far I guess. |
| 22:11.50 | doc|work | entirely different continents, so no :P |
| 22:12.04 | lymeca | Kensan: I'm guessing it doesn't have ZRTP support? That's what I'm really after. |
| 22:12.22 | mjr | lymeca, anyway, twinkle was mentioned here in this thread, and I do hope someone bothers with it, or any other zrtp-capable solution: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022675.html |
| 22:12.28 | Chocky | an er, Canda(in)ianian |
| 22:12.47 | Kensan | mjr: CSD is a no-go for plain SIP/RTP. |
| 22:12.55 | Kensan | lymeca: no. |
| 22:12.55 | Zilla | does someone knows if my 3g simcard from HI (dutch provider) will work in the freerunner/ |
| 22:12.56 | Zilla | ? |
| 22:13.06 | lymeca | mjr: When you speak of CSD being more reliable for SIP calls, do you mean at all HSCSD? Is HSCSD supported by OpenMoko? |
| 22:13.15 | Zorkman | i connect using a script to a unsecure wifi and the script detects it an connects to it and adds a dns but when i try to ping www.google.com it doens' t work, can anyone point me in the right direction where to look? |
| 22:13.21 | edistar | lymeca: not, it is not |
| 22:13.43 | Chocky | another "doesn't work" bug report. |
| 22:13.50 | DaveLab | I think I am going to ask Joerg to post a reply for me :P |
| 22:13.52 | mjr | Kensan, is it? Wouldn't think so off the cuff, but maybe the overhead would be too naughty, and you'd want an endpoint to talk raw digital (encrypted) audio stream with... |
| 22:13.55 | DaveLab | hey edistar :) |
| 22:13.56 | Zorkman | sorry Zilla, I only tested a JIM (base in belgium) card and that works |
| 22:14.01 | Chocky | can it resolve it, or is it a routing problem? |
| 22:14.10 | Kensan | mjr: I did look into it a bit about a year ago. |
| 22:14.11 | Zilla | thats a 3g simcard? |
| 22:14.16 | Zilla | like umts-simcard |
| 22:14.24 | Zorkman | Zilla: not that i know.. |
| 22:14.31 | Kensan | mjr: it is too much overhead. I think a put a link in the wiki at some point... |
| 22:14.36 | Kensan | mjr: lemme see... |
| 22:14.37 | lymeca | Okay so it's between CSD and GPRS. What about EDGE? |
| 22:14.41 | DaveLab | haha |
| 22:14.45 | Zorkman | Choky: i get ping: bad address 'www.google.be' so i guess he can't resolve it? |
| 22:14.46 | DaveLab | fucking at&t |
| 22:14.47 | Zilla | *can you acces the 3g network with that sim? *not on freerunner ofcourse |
| 22:14.49 | edistar | lymeca: no edge |
| 22:14.59 | mjr | lymeca, well, for voip in general really. HSCSD IIRC is supported, but costs again more |
| 22:15.00 | Kensan | mjr: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:OSvS |
| 22:15.05 | DaveLab | zorkman, oh haha, have you added a valid nameserver to your resolv.conf? |
| 22:15.23 | Chocky | and indeed put in the word "nameserver x.x.x.x" |
| 22:15.27 | Zorkman | I'm glad i can make you smile DaveLab :) |
| 22:15.27 | Zilla | Zorkman, do you have a freerunner?:S |
| 22:15.31 | mjr | lymeca, the Freerunner doesn't do edge (and edge doesn't really improve much on the latency issue afaik) |
| 22:15.33 | Kensan | lymeca: GPRS etc all have bad latency so that's not all that usable either... |
| 22:15.34 | DaveLab | :D |
| 22:15.35 | Zorkman | yes Zilla |
| 22:15.39 | lymeca | mjd: edistar said that HSCSD is not supported |
| 22:15.40 | Zilla | do you like it? |
| 22:15.43 | DaveLab | :P |
| 22:15.49 | tc | edistar: thanks again - it's working |
| 22:15.56 | Kensan | mjr: exactly, latency is the issue, not bandwidth. |
| 22:15.58 | Zorkman | Zilla: yes very muc :) |
| 22:16.00 | edistar | tc: super :) |
| 22:16.02 | SpeedEvil | Kensan: lymeca: It's quite possible to use it for push-talk. |
| 22:16.07 | Zorkman | DaveLab;: i did that of course |
| 22:16.09 | Zilla | do you have the gps-problem wich i read about? |
| 22:16.10 | SpeedEvil | Kensan: lymeca: With 2s delay that is. |
| 22:16.12 | Zorkman | i did echo nameserver 195.130.129.162 > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:16.13 | DaveLab | :) |
| 22:16.17 | lymeca | SpeedEvil: What's push-talk? |
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| 22:16.23 | DaveLab | with quotes, I would hope |
| 22:16.28 | Kensan | lymeca: think 2-way radios |
| 22:16.29 | DaveLab | :p |
| 22:16.32 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: push button, talk, release button, wait for response. |
| 22:16.32 | mjr | Kensan, mmh, let's reiterate; so _latency_ is also the issue with rtp/csd? |
| 22:16.34 | Zorkman | but that is what I use for my wired (over usb) network , i guess i need to add something different when using wlan? |
| 22:16.42 | DaveLab | walkie-talkie |
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| 22:16.54 | Zilla | btw are you zorkman@gathering.tweakers.net? |
| 22:17.01 | DaveLab | zorkman, assuming it's subnetted [properly] you shouldn't have to |
| 22:17.05 | DaveLab | zilla :o |
| 22:17.07 | mjr | I could see that, yes, what with csd not being excellent latency on its own... |
| 22:17.14 | lymeca | OKay this is interesting and I'm beginning to understand much more. |
| 22:17.15 | mjr | (but better than gprs nonetheless...) |
| 22:17.18 | Zilla | srry was meant for zorkman:P |
| 22:17.58 | lymeca | So the three general subcategories of GSM (2G technologies) that the FR supports are GPRS, CSD, or HSCSD. That's in order from least expensive to most. Is this correct so far? |
| 22:18.06 | Kensan | mjr: CSD has better latency. With CSD the issue is bandwidth unfortunately |
| 22:18.12 | Zorkman | DaveLab: if I add the nameserver i use (and that works) for wired network it still doesn't work |
| 22:18.31 | DaveLab | then your pc must not be routing correctly |
| 22:18.38 | Yashy | How do you get the / character? |
| 22:18.39 | SpeedEvil | 9.6K/s is _quite_ large enough for decent voice. |
| 22:18.50 | DaveLab | did you check the route on your freerunner too by the way? |
| 22:18.51 | mjr | Kensan, what codecs did you use? I mean you can get one going at a pretty low bandwidth if you want to settle with crap sound ;) |
| 22:18.56 | DaveLab | making sure that your pc is the gateway :) |
| 22:19.00 | Zorkman | DaveLab: but i'm not trying to rout trough my computer, it's trough a wifi from the neighours |
| 22:19.10 | DaveLab | Zorkman -_-; |
| 22:19.14 | Kensan | mjr: http://documents.made-it.com/VoIP/#AEN273 |
| 22:19.23 | Zorkman | Davelab: over usb it works fine, i just want to be able to connect to random unprotected wifi with the script |
| 22:19.23 | Chocky | wifi thief! |
| 22:19.29 | DaveLab | OH |
| 22:19.31 | lymeca | SpeedEvil: But like you said, SIP takes over 10x this, correct? 100K/s? |
| 22:19.31 | DaveLab | haha :P |
| 22:19.32 | *** join/#openmoko Fradeve (n=fradeve@87.18.196.6) |
| 22:19.39 | DaveLab | ooh ooh |
| 22:19.40 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: someone else said that |
| 22:19.43 | Zilla | im going... bye all |
| 22:19.46 | SpeedEvil | lymeca: io don't actually know. |
| 22:19.50 | DaveLab | waar woon je? :D |
| 22:19.57 | Zorkman | Chocky: i'll oreder a FON router and let people use it for free |
| 22:20.02 | mjr | Kensan, yowsa |
| 22:20.03 | Zilla | davelab?:S |
| 22:20.04 | lymeca | Does the FreeRunner support any other GSM technologies besides GPRS, CSD, and HSCSD? |
| 22:20.09 | Zorkman | DaveLab in belgië, in de buurt van aalst |
| 22:20.11 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: yes, if it's for plain voice but you need to build a protocol around that. |
| 22:20.16 | Chocky | Zorkman: I actually have one. |
| 22:20.17 | mjr | lymeca, it can do gsm voice calls and sms |
| 22:20.19 | DaveLab | jaja :D |
| 22:20.20 | Chocky | but thanks :o |
| 22:20.24 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: doable of course :) |
| 22:20.26 | Zilla | Ah maareh zorkman ben jij ook die zorkman van tweakers?:S |
| 22:20.33 | Zorkman | zilla, ja, waarom? |
| 22:20.34 | DaveLab | hehehe |
| 22:20.34 | Zilla | srry for the dutch btw |
| 22:20.39 | *** part/#openmoko dtx (n=dtx@ip-64-58-38-18.static.formysite.com) |
| 22:20.40 | Zilla | gewoon vroeg ik me af:P |
| 22:20.42 | RXShorty | Geen probleem :P |
| 22:20.43 | DaveLab | goed :D |
| 22:20.48 | lymeca | mjr: Ah okay, GPRS is actually separate from GSM, not just a subcategory? |
| 22:20.51 | Chocky | has 20 wireless routers in his office. |
| 22:20.51 | DaveLab | ba |
| 22:20.52 | Zilla | meer nederlandsspprekende mensen heir:P |
| 22:21.03 | Chocky | double Dutch |
| 22:21.05 | Zilla | verwacht ik niet....:P |
| 22:21.05 | Zorkman | Chocky could spare some it seems :P |
| 22:21.09 | mjr | lymeca, it's a subcategory. You just asked if it supported other GSM technologies, and I answered glibly :] |
| 22:21.15 | Zilla | bye all.... ;) |
| 22:21.18 | Zorkman | bye |
| 22:21.24 | RXShorty | Inderdaad. Kom zelf uit NL. Heb me Freerunner voor een weekje of 3 |
| 22:21.31 | DaveLab | truste |
| 22:21.36 | RXShorty | Bye Zilla :) |
| 22:21.38 | Zilla | RXShorty, waar heb je die gehaald?? |
| 22:21.40 | mjr | anyway, okay, no sip/rtp perhaps over csd then |
| 22:21.46 | Kensan | you guys wanna take it to openmoko.nl ? |
| 22:21.48 | Kensan | ;) |
| 22:21.52 | DaveLab | zorkman, free wifi? |
| 22:21.55 | lymeca | mjr: Okay, so just GSM, GSM with GPRS, GSM with CSD, or GSM with HSCSD, and SMS alongside them all which is likely included with any plans you buy with the afrementioned options. |
| 22:21.57 | kelvie_work | has anyone tried building the qtopia-x11 image lately? |
| 22:21.58 | ieatlint | crazy dutch bastards! :P |
| 22:21.58 | mjr | so, for sip/rtp, just settle for wifi |
| 22:21.59 | lymeca | Is that more accurate? |
| 22:22.02 | DaveLab | ieatlint :D |
| 22:22.10 | kelvie_work | my build fails at exposure-0.0.1-svn |
| 22:22.14 | mjr | crypted calls maybe over csd but cryptophone style |
| 22:22.15 | kelvie_work | during the _install_ |
| 22:22.19 | DaveLab | ja, er zijn hier veel Nederlanders :D |
| 22:22.37 | *** join/#openmoko sparrow (n=sparrow@mortar.walled.net) |
| 22:22.42 | ieatlint | it's funny that between english and a bit of german, i can read a large part of that |
| 22:22.46 | *** join/#openmoko Gnutoo (n=gnutoo@host54-133-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 22:22.49 | Kensan | mjr: yes. Have you subscribed to mokosec? There's talk about encrypted voice calls. |
| 22:22.53 | DaveLab | unsurprising, ieatlint :) |
| 22:22.54 | Zilla | dat er veel nl-ers met een FR zijn verwacht ik nie:P |
| 22:23.11 | lymeca | Kensan: Is there a mailing list dedicated to OpenMoko encryption?!? |
| 22:23.12 | DaveLab | ja ik zie. |
| 22:23.20 | sparrow | returns with a SIM that works on the rogers network. |
| 22:23.21 | SpeedEvil | Dave: Hey - no trying out encryption in-channel :) |
| 22:23.29 | kd8ikt | whoorah |
| 22:23.30 | mjr | Kensan, ah, I haven't. Are there plans to implement the cryptophone.de protocol (seems they're friendly to independent reimplementation) |
| 22:23.31 | Zorkman | lol :) |
| 22:23.31 | DaveLab | haha! ;D |
| 22:23.32 | Kensan | lymeca: well it's not just encryption but security related stuff I guess. |
| 22:23.42 | Kensan | mjr: do you know that for a fact? |
| 22:23.45 | lymeca | Wow that's awesome. |
| 22:23.49 | DaveLab | that's okay... |
| 22:23.50 | lymeca | Yes I know for a fact Kensan |
| 22:23.50 | mjr | Kensan, only from their website |
| 22:23.56 | SpeedEvil | mk: as I understand it, cryptophone uses CSD |
| 22:23.59 | DaveLab | moet gaan |
| 22:24.00 | lymeca | They publish the source code of their phone's firmware. |
| 22:24.04 | DaveLab | :[ |
| 22:24.23 | DaveLab | departs leaving a trail of drool behind him |
| 22:24.23 | lymeca | It's a proprietary license, so no code can be lifted, but you can see exactly how they implement their AES/Twofish encryption. |
| 22:24.26 | Kensan | mjr: why would you say they are friendly to independant reimplementation? I did dig through their docs and they make different statements. |
| 22:24.27 | *** join/#openmoko nslu2-log (n=nslu2-lo@limax.nslu2-linux.org) |
| 22:24.31 | mjr | they publish the source for review only, and don't allow the use of that, but they have stated there that anyone is quite okay to implement it from their specs themselves |
| 22:24.51 | lymeca | Yeah they encourage people to interoperate I think. |
| 22:24.52 | ieatlint | someone needs to translate the wiki into esperanto |
| 22:24.53 | Kensan | lymeca: well it's strictly for peer-review |
| 22:25.25 | mjr | kensan, http://cryptophone.de/qa/published_source/index.html#vier , see near the end |
| 22:25.26 | lymeca | So view it, and write a reverse engineered compatability for OpenMoko. |
| 22:25.30 | *** join/#openmoko jagernot (n=jag@82-43-145-27.cable.ubr02.nmal.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 22:25.30 | *** join/#openmoko swc|666 (n=swc|666@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 22:25.30 | mjr | "You are perfectly free to develop a compatible product on the base of the published CryptoPhone protocol, but not using our source. |
| 22:25.33 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: yes, they are doing their own call-setup/teardown in CSD. |
| 22:25.35 | lymeca | Clean-room if you are really friggin worried |
| 22:25.42 | CVirus | anyone tried running miax on OM yet ? |
| 22:25.43 | lymeca | But I doubt such lengths are necessary |
| 22:26.15 | lymeca | mjr: Does the FR autojoin open wifi networks it sees? If so will it switch to Wifi for anything non-phone call related such as downloads, SSH stuff, and the web? |
| 22:26.44 | Zorkman | lymeca: i have tried writing a script for that and it worked |
| 22:26.44 | mjr | lymeca, you're assuming a level of polish that isn't :] |
| 22:26.52 | Kensan | mjr: hm... well one should get guarantees from them. |
| 22:27.01 | mjr | Kensan, better contact them yes |
| 22:27.08 | Kensan | mjr: otherwise it would be great. |
| 22:28.18 | Kensan | for those interested MokoSec: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003594.html |
| 22:28.34 | Kensan | mjr: they seem to have done it well. |
| 22:28.41 | mjr | Kensan, but I've not seen anything there that would imply they're jealous of the protocol, even if they are very jealous of their source itself |
| 22:29.20 | mjr | otoh I seem to recall I've seen somewhere else also a statement that anyone's free to interoperate with their own code, but didn't find other references than the above |
| 22:29.30 | *** part/#openmoko igor321 (n=igor@212.15.172.54) |
| 22:29.38 | Kensan | mjr: It might be well worth asking them on what specs one could base an independent implementation on. |
| 22:29.58 | mjr | Kensan, probably, mostly I haven't done it since I know I don't have the follow-through to actually do it |
| 22:30.39 | Kensan | mjr: well I also made that suggestion to the MokoSec-ML so maybe someone from there will pick it up ;) |
| 22:30.54 | mjr | good, it's good they know about the option |
| 22:31.05 | mjr | leveraging an existing installed base with encrypted call capability would be nice |
| 22:31.44 | Kensan | mjr: not having to invent another such protocol is the bigger plus, because their solution seems to work reliably. |
| 22:31.50 | mjr | well, that too |
| 22:32.09 | lymeca | mjr: Okay well how about the level of polish of auto-joining wifi networks? Can it do that? Or do you have to manually select from a list? Or worse? Something command line to connect? |
| 22:32.13 | mjr | inventing your own secure systems is... hazardous to say the least |
| 22:32.24 | Chocky | Finux! |
| 22:32.25 | mjr | lymeca, I have no idea what's the current status |
| 22:33.12 | *** join/#openmoko tomboy64 (n=tomboy64@e178043064.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 22:33.29 | Kensan | mjr: well it takes some knowledge in the field that's for sure. |
| 22:33.41 | Kensan | mjr: doing it right is the hard part ;) |
| 22:33.42 | mjr | lymeca, but it's a gnu/linux system, so if you're hooked up to wifi and there's a default route over it, obviously networked apps will use it |
| 22:34.18 | Yashy | How do you get the / character when typing in terminal? |
| 22:34.29 | retracile | Yashy: copy and paste? |
| 22:34.44 | Yashy | copy from where? |
| 22:34.47 | retracile | Yashy: I think the general suggestion is to install the matchbox keyboard. |
| 22:34.57 | Yashy | I'm trying to "cd /etc/" |
| 22:35.03 | retracile | Yashy: IIRC, the prompt had a / in it.. |
| 22:35.12 | Yashy | I don't have a matchbox keyboard? :( |
| 22:35.22 | retracile | Yashy: You could also try cd .. then cd etc |
| 22:35.35 | retracile | Yashy: the stock keyboard is.... horrible. |
| 22:36.17 | Zorkman | anyone experience with open wifi? |
| 22:36.24 | *** join/#openmoko Stroller (n=Stroller@pornpipe.stroller.uk.eu.org) |
| 22:36.27 | jakob_ | does anyone know who administrates the planet.openmoko.org aggregator? |
| 22:36.34 | Yashy | How do I copy/paste with the stylus? (sorry for the newbie questions, just got mine, trying to get wifi working while waiting for the battery to fully charge for the first time |
| 22:36.53 | Zorkman | my freerunner connects to an unsecure wifi and adds a dns, but i can not ping anything |
| 22:36.55 | kd8ikt | yeah Zorkman ; ifconfig eth0 essid "APNAME" ; udhcpc eth0; echo finished |
| 22:37.17 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: I am already connected to the AP, i just can't ping |
| 22:37.22 | Zorkman | (or do anything else) |
| 22:37.34 | Zorkman | Sending select for 192.168.2.107... |
| 22:37.35 | Zorkman | Lease of 192.168.2.107 obtained, lease time 86400 |
| 22:37.35 | Zorkman | run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with code 1 |
| 22:37.35 | Zorkman | adding dns 192.168.2.1 |
| 22:37.39 | kd8ikt | whats /etc/resolve.conf say |
| 22:37.45 | retracile | Yashy: highlight by press & drag, then use the clipboard icon to paste. |
| 22:37.54 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: nothing |
| 22:38.02 | Kensan | mjr: well if you are interested in the whole gsm encryption thing subscribe to mokosec, it's very low volume currently ;) |
| 22:38.06 | kd8ikt | there is your problem |
| 22:38.07 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: but i don't know how to figure out the nameserver of an unknown wifi |
| 22:38.20 | kd8ikt | nameserver routersip |
| 22:38.33 | retracile | Yashy: I'd suggest opening a second terminal where you can run commands to get more things to copy from. |
| 22:38.35 | kd8ikt | who gave you the dhcp |
| 22:38.36 | Chocky | dhcp would give it to you, in most cases |
| 22:38.44 | retracile | must run; waves. |
| 22:38.49 | Chocky | sometimes people turn it off though, then you have to guess |
| 22:38.55 | Zorkman | yes Chocky, it did that yesterday, but not today :s |
| 22:39.00 | kd8ikt | whoever gave you the dhcp is ussually the gateway and should be in resolve.conf |
| 22:39.16 | Chocky | normally the router itself runs DNS. sometimes you can figure out the upstream provider and use their DNS |
| 22:39.20 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: what do you mean with "whoever gave you the dhcp" ? |
| 22:39.34 | *** join/#openmoko dougt (n=dougt@c-98-210-15-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 22:39.51 | mjr | Kensan, yeah I did. And interested, yes, though not up to doing much about it ;/ |
| 22:40.18 | Kensan | mjr: well it's always good to have people who state their opinion ;) |
| 22:40.23 | thewtex | mmontour: I was mistaken, after thorough reading :P, I should be able to boot from SDHC, but only rootfs |
| 22:40.24 | Chocky | no it's not! |
| 22:40.36 | doc|work | quiet you |
| 22:41.32 | Kensan | thewtex: boot from SDHC? You mean having the rootfs on SDHC but the kernel on the internal NAND right? |
| 22:41.33 | *** join/#openmoko everslick (n=clemens@212-183-118-219.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 22:42.05 | Chocky | the wiki also alludes to how to do this (not hard) but isn |
| 22:42.14 | Chocky | is far from clear on the precise steps |
| 22:42.23 | *** join/#openmoko bigon (n=bigon@cl-3.bru-01.be.sixxs.net) |
| 22:42.26 | thewtex | Kensan: yes |
| 22:43.24 | Kensan | thewtex: ok just checking :) Would be cool if you hacked SDHC support into u-boot though ;) |
| 22:43.27 | mmontour | thewtex: there's code in u-boot to access SDHC cards (for Freerunner only). If it doesn't work then a bug should be reported. You can test by running "mmcinit" in the u-boot console to see if it detects the card properly |
| 22:43.50 | Kensan | mmontour: are you sure it's for SDHC? |
| 22:44.49 | Stroller | yawns |
| 22:44.51 | mmontour | See http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/buglog/2008-June/008996.html |
| 22:44.54 | Stroller | Evening, all |
| 22:45.26 | thewtex | Chocky: it is unclear on the debian page, but there is better description farther down on the 'Booting from SD' page |
| 22:45.46 | Chocky | not that much ;-) |
| 22:45.52 | Kensan | mmontour: oh nice, didn't know that. |
| 22:47.04 | Chocky | there's also no consistent style on the wiki. |
| 22:47.15 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: feel free to fix that. |
| 22:47.21 | Chocky | :-| |
| 22:47.53 | *** join/#openmoko goodwill_ (n=goodwill@netblock-66-245-212-64.dslextreme.com) |
| 22:48.36 | SpeedEvil | Elleo: just get http://cgi.ebay.com/Tektronix-TDS684C-Oscilloscope_W0QQitemZ220258151941QQihZ012QQcategoryZ104247QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 22:48.37 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 22:48.45 | mjr | Kensan, so there :] |
| 22:49.04 | thewtex | mmontour: from reading your link it is a little unclear-- with the kernel partition need to be ext2 instead of FAT? |
| 22:49.05 | Zilla | bye all |
| 22:49.14 | thewtex | bye Zilla |
| 22:49.20 | *** join/#openmoko mmaestri (i=be31712f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-be6baf7fa5630262) |
| 22:49.23 | Chocky | can be either |
| 22:49.30 | Chocky | just depends upon the command |
| 22:49.47 | mmaestri | hi |
| 22:49.57 | thewtex | hi mmaestri |
| 22:50.08 | Kensan | mjr: reat! |
| 22:50.12 | Kensan | mjr: g |
| 22:50.16 | mmaestri | I have my freerunner. It's over. |
| 22:51.21 | mmontour | thewtex: once the new u-boot build shows up on buildhost you won't even need a "kernel partition". You'll be able to load the kernel from the ext2/ext3 rootfs. But if you want to you can put the kernel onto a FAT partition (with any version of u-boot, SD or SDHC). |
| 22:51.21 | thewtex | Chocky: are you using the debian kernel from the wiki page? |
| 22:51.27 | thewtex | Chocky: does it have support for ext2? |
| 22:51.36 | Kensan | well I am off. Goodnight all. |
| 22:51.37 | SpeedEvil | mmaestri: NO! It's only just beginning! |
| 22:52.08 | thewtex | mmontour: I see -- thanks for the clarification |
| 22:52.22 | thewtex | gn Kensan |
| 22:52.24 | edistar | thewtex: it does have support for ext2 |
| 22:52.33 | thewtex | nice |
| 22:53.14 | mmaestri | I'm actually waiting to see if the sky falls over my head |
| 22:53.25 | thewtex | haha |
| 22:53.41 | thewtex | ponders triple booting |
| 22:53.46 | SpeedEvil | mmaestri: it unfortunately will, about every 12 days. This is hoped to be fixed in new software. |
| 22:54.14 | *** join/#openmoko Pjj (n=pjj@070-132-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) |
| 22:55.45 | mmaestri | well that's ok to me. now, a poll: which image should I use? Right now I don't care if it works as a phone :P |
| 22:56.08 | Zorkman | 2007.2 |
| 22:56.13 | SpeedEvil | mmaestri: WinCE |
| 22:56.15 | Yashy | Any idea how I can save my file in vi in terminal with the stylus? |
| 22:56.17 | Zorkman | but never mind me; i'm a noob :) |
| 22:56.30 | mmaestri | SpeedEvil: funny |
| 22:56.43 | Stroller | Yashy: you can't |
| 22:57.13 | Yasumoto | Yashy: do you have the default keypad? |
| 22:57.16 | Yashy | Is there a text editor to create a wpa_supplicant.conf I can save with the stylus? |
| 22:57.33 | Yashy | yes, default OS/application, battery is doing initial charge |
| 22:57.39 | Stroller | Yashy: you need to get USB networking working first and SSH in |
| 22:57.50 | Yashy | doh |
| 22:57.51 | Yasumoto | Yashy: congrats on your new freerunner :) |
| 22:57.57 | Yasumoto | but yeah, setup usb networking fist |
| 22:57.59 | Yasumoto | *first |
| 22:58.18 | Yashy | thanks, I'm excited. I guess I'll set it up in ~12 hours? :/ |
| 22:58.25 | thewtex | Yashy: ZZ |
| 22:59.33 | Elleo | anyone know how I can mute the speaker without muting the headphones with the latest ASU image/kernel? |
| 22:59.35 | Pjj | anyone has any idea if the order pullster made by openmoko will arrive soonish? |
| 23:00.10 | Elleo | Pjj: I thought I heard something about them being delayed until the 28th due to some customs issue |
| 23:00.29 | *** join/#openmoko Cthobs (n=cerebus@fl-76-1-160-181.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 23:00.34 | Elleo | but I might be thinking of somehwhere else |
| 23:00.43 | Yashy | thewtex: How do I do the SHIFT part of ZZ? simply ZZ <return> does not work |
| 23:01.27 | doc|work | Yashy: where are you from? |
| 23:01.30 | Yashy | Also, how can I tell when my battery has completed charging? |
| 23:01.33 | Yasumoto | Elleo: I've just been using alsamixer, does that not work? |
| 23:01.37 | Pjj | ok I guess I'll notice :) |
| 23:01.39 | Yashy | doc|work: BC, Canada. |
| 23:01.40 | sparrow | Elleo - That is a known bug as I seem to recall and being looked at. Check the trax listings. |
| 23:01.44 | thewtex | Yashy: not sure, I don't use that keyboard ... but the other dudes are right about USB networking |
| 23:01.47 | doc|work | Yashy: victoria by any chance? |
| 23:01.55 | Yashy | <innocent look> |
| 23:01.57 | Elleo | sparrow: okay, thanks |
| 23:02.00 | Elleo | Yasumoto: nope |
| 23:02.04 | doc|work | Yashy: did you get the money in the package too? :) |
| 23:02.12 | Yashy | doc|work: You from Vancouver? :) |
| 23:02.12 | doc|work | and two headsets? :) |
| 23:02.15 | Yashy | hehe yup, thanks! |
| 23:02.18 | doc|work | Yashy: aye :) |
| 23:02.21 | Stroller | Yashy: you asked the wrong question. You meant "how do I leave edit mode?" and you can't because there's no escape key |
| 23:02.24 | Yashy | giggles |
| 23:02.25 | Elleo | Yasumoto: the speaker always stays on unless PCM is muted, in which case the headphones are also muted |
| 23:02.40 | Yasumoto | Elleo: brutal.. |
| 23:03.12 | Yasumoto | Elleo: As soon as I figure out what all the different controls in alsamixer do, it's time to make a wiki page |
| 23:03.19 | Yashy | doc: not so patiently waiting for initial charge to finish :) |
| 23:03.31 | Yashy | wonders how to tell if the battery is fully charged |
| 23:03.33 | Zorkman | one last try: i'm connected to a wifi, but i cannot ping, i recieve no nameserver. Is there a way to get hold of the namserver (no fysical acces to the AP) |
| 23:04.02 | SpeedEvil | Use a known good nameserver. |
| 23:04.20 | Zorkman | i used the one my computer uses, and that does not work... |
| 23:05.33 | mmontour | Yasumoto: start from the "Neo1973 Audio Subsystem" wiki page. Look in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ for alsa files for various usage scenarios - there should be one there for headphones. |
| 23:05.58 | thewtex | Elleo: Yasumoto http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community/18781 I don't know if that is of use |
| 23:06.19 | Yasumoto | whoa, cool |
| 23:06.26 | Yasumoto | thanks mmontour and thewtex |
| 23:06.27 | doc|work | Yashy: it fills green |
| 23:07.22 | Zorkman | SpeedEvil you know a good nameserver? my host machines has two, but they both don't work |
| 23:07.57 | SpeedEvil | You can always configure BIND on your machine. |
| 23:08.28 | Elleo | thewtex: ah thanks, that fixes it :) |
| 23:08.40 | Zorkman | SpeedEvil: I'll try to look that up on the internet |
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| 23:11.15 | Zorkman | SpeedEvil if i understand it correctly BIND is for setting up a dns??? |
| 23:13.47 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: yes - I mean install your own GPS |
| 23:13.48 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 23:13.52 | SpeedEvil | Nameserver |
| 23:13.54 | Zorkman | SpeedEvil: now the AP DOES give me automatically a namserver (nameserver 192.168.2.1) but i still can't ping anything |
| 23:13.57 | SpeedEvil | and then point the wifi to that |
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| 23:14.09 | thewtex | Elleo: good deal |
| 23:14.10 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: complain to the admin. |
| 23:22.00 | ieatlint | cats are crazy |
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| 23:27.07 | Stroller | Zorkman: can you ping machines on your LAN? |
| 23:27.10 | chillywilly | howdy |
| 23:27.17 | Stroller | Hey, chillywilly |
| 23:28.00 | kelvie_work | what's the advantage/differences between dropbear and openssh? |
| 23:28.19 | CVirus | dropbear sucks .. ssh rocks |
| 23:28.19 | Stroller | kelvie_work: did you get a Freerunner in the end? |
| 23:28.20 | CVirus | :-p |
| 23:28.21 | kelvie_work | dropbear came on my iPod by default (after it was jailbroken), |
| 23:28.28 | kelvie_work | Stroller: nope.. building the software.. waiting for the next release |
| 23:28.43 | CVirus | kelvie_work: dropbear is tiny and meant for embedded systems |
| 23:28.47 | Stroller | dropbear is smaller, for embedded ... |
| 23:28.49 | Stroller | what he said |
| 23:28.50 | kelvie_work | ahh |
| 23:29.35 | Yasumoto | whoa, I didn't know openssh was here |
| 23:29.36 | Yasumoto | cool |
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| 23:31.17 | kelvie_work | anyone tried pyqt on the openmoko yet? :p |
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| 23:46.52 | Yasumoto | wow, pygtk was surprisingly easy to get to work |
| 23:46.53 | Yasumoto | cool |
| 23:47.28 | Centaur5 | I don't mean to be ignorant but I'm just wondering why opening applications takes quite a while even with the 400 mhz cpu? Is something vital for performance still being worked on? |
| 23:47.31 | kelvie_work | mm I may have to take anothe rlook at gtk then :p |
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| 23:47.40 | kelvie_work | unless PyQt is just as simple to get up and running |
| 23:47.50 | kelvie_work | I can create GUIs for almost anything _really_ quickly in pyqt |
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| 23:48.23 | summatusmentis | Centaur5: I don't know off the top of my head, how much ram does the FreeRunner have? |
| 23:48.36 | Yasumoto | Centaur5: there's a lot of stuff still being worked on |
| 23:48.54 | Yasumoto | Centaur5: I've heard rumors that a dev found something that was hanging the kernel for 20 seconds on boot up |
| 23:49.27 | summatusmentis | *sigh* I wish the software were more complete |
| 23:50.12 | Centaur5 | summatusmentis: Well it has 128 ram so I thought it would perform a lot better than my mda. From what I understand the graphics accelerator isn't even close to finished? |
| 23:50.27 | SirBob1701 | asuis nice :D |
| 23:50.30 | SirBob1701 | err |
| 23:50.34 | SirBob1701 | ASU is nice haha |
| 23:51.18 | summatusmentis | Centaur5: I think the graphics accleerator is quite the hindrance, if I understand correctly |
| 23:51.19 | Centaur5 | SirBob1701: Is there better battery life with ASU? |
| 23:51.48 | Centaur5 | summatusmentis: Okay, I figured that would have something to do with it. Not being impatient, just curious. :) |
| 23:52.31 | summatusmentis | Centaur5: I honestly don't know, couldn't afford one |
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| 23:57.25 | carrar | phone doesn't seem to want to register with the latest daily |
| 23:59.09 | SirBob1701 | Centaur5: i get about 9 hours out of it. power managements still shit gotta look into that |
