| 00:00.12 | linuxxr | opkg says that dropbear isuptodater that cant be right |
| 00:00.40 | dTx | ~ALC |
| 00:00.59 | linuxxr | maybe me freerunner came with newer software? |
| 00:01.08 | linuxxr | naaaaaa |
| 00:01.18 | SirBob1701 | arg can't get my gtk applications to show up in ASU starting to get annoyed lol |
| 00:01.54 | linuxxr | how to move /home to the sd card? |
| 00:02.08 | Maniac` | SpeedEvil thank you I will try, as I understand program works like many program-filters processing with different functions and visualize it, correct me if I'm wrong, maybe you could point me at good docs/manuals to clearly inderstanding those methods and to know which hardware requirements I need or if I'm able to perform this task with low power 32-bit MCU without 3d-accelerator (this device succesfully runs linux). Thank you very much! |
| 00:02.08 | linuxxr | partition:) |
| 00:02.50 | SpeedEvil | Maniac`: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:03.22 | Maniac` | SpeedEvil a device with microphone -> adc - > cpu (program) -> visualize sound to LCD |
| 00:03.36 | SpeedEvil | Maniac`: for any particular reason? |
| 00:03.38 | Maniac` | device runs linux |
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| 00:04.29 | dTx | So technically when you adjust mixer values for mic->GSM is it supposed to be capture or playback? Since it is doing neither just amplifying the analog signal? |
| 00:04.53 | Maniac` | SpeedEvil, no just for visualizing |
| 00:05.10 | SpeedEvil | Maniac`: you can easily do it on a FR class device. |
| 00:05.36 | SpeedEvil | Maniac`: you will need to do it in C or something moderately close to the hardware |
| 00:06.00 | SpeedEvil | Maniac`: look at source for xspectrum, and plugins |
| 00:06.22 | Maniac` | SpeedEvil could you clear RF what means? |
| 00:06.38 | SpeedEvil | RF? |
| 00:06.39 | Maniac` | FR* |
| 00:06.47 | SpeedEvil | Freerunner |
| 00:07.51 | Maniac` | oh |
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| 00:08.23 | linuxxr | dropbear 0.49-rc1? |
| 00:08.26 | Maniac` | I understand, but want to design it on AVR32 cpu with a lower clock rate |
| 00:08.39 | linuxxr | is that uptodate/? |
| 00:09.01 | Maniac` | it runs linux and c compatible |
| 00:09.15 | dTx | Is there not currently a driver to actually record audio from the built in microphone? |
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| 00:09.51 | Maniac` | SpeedEvil nice function - 2 3D accelometrs, I though this could be performed only with a gyroscopic chip which is rather expensive |
| 00:10.19 | SpeedEvil | Maniac`: the 2 3D accels of the freerunner are largely useless - they don't give any gain over 1. |
| 00:10.34 | SpeedEvil | Maniac`: apart from maybe picking up taps on the case. |
| 00:10.50 | Maniac` | 2 3D accelerometers so that the phone can know its orientation for example switching to landscape mode automatically |
| 00:11.12 | SpeedEvil | Maniac`: but as tehy are fixed to one body, they get the same inputs. |
| 00:11.15 | Maniac` | but.. how can IT know starting position |
| 00:11.28 | SpeedEvil | Maniac`: the accelerometers measure 'down'. |
| 00:11.37 | Maniac` | not an angle? |
| 00:11.40 | SpeedEvil | Maniac`: this gives you orientation. |
| 00:11.41 | edistar | Maniac`: no |
| 00:11.43 | Maniac` | of rotation |
| 00:11.47 | dTx | 9.80665 m/s^2 |
| 00:11.48 | SpeedEvil | Maniac`: no. |
| 00:11.49 | dTx | down |
| 00:11.59 | edistar | has anyone got code yet that finds out the rotation? |
| 00:12.05 | SpeedEvil | Maniac`: they give you the three Z,Y,X accelerations |
| 00:12.16 | MadTBone | dTx: re: diffs in handset.state files ... I don't know... I'm not familiar enough with the system yet... |
| 00:12.16 | SpeedEvil | passes edistar a trigonometer. |
| 00:12.48 | dTx | hehe |
| 00:13.07 | edistar | SpeedEvil: thanks very much ;) |
| 00:14.12 | peepsalot | if there is a bug with matchbox-keyboard, should I report it on openmoko bugtracker, or openedhand |
| 00:14.26 | edistar | peepsalot: OH |
| 00:14.27 | SpeedEvil | edistar: first normalise the vectors to get them to unit size. |
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| 00:14.32 | kd8ikt | hm i cant get wpa_supplicant to work anymore |
| 00:14.36 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 00:14.45 | edistar | SpeedEvil: sry.. what do I do? |
| 00:15.15 | edistar | went to school in germany, so wouldn't have the right vocabulary |
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| 00:16.37 | Maniac` | SpeedEvil thank you for advices |
| 00:16.58 | edistar | Maniac`: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval |
| 00:17.33 | SpeedEvil | Maniac`: also see the technical:accelerometer fundamentals page on the wikie |
| 00:18.06 | Maniac` | thanks It will be much useful for me |
| 00:18.18 | Maniac` | and anyone worked with Zigbee chips? |
| 00:18.30 | dTx | has anybody recorded audio on their FR? |
| 00:18.35 | dTx | like captured |
| 00:18.42 | dTx | Is there even a driver for that? |
| 00:18.56 | SpeedEvil | dTx: should be... |
| 00:18.58 | SpeedEvil | ponders |
| 00:19.16 | brian__ | oot@om-gta02:~# opkg upgrade |
| 00:19.16 | brian__ | Nothing to be done |
| 00:19.19 | SpeedEvil | edistar: do you still have your geometry textbook? |
| 00:19.34 | brian__ | speedevil is that correct? |
| 00:19.42 | edistar | SpeedEvil: I just finished school 2 month ago, so I should remember most of it |
| 00:19.45 | SpeedEvil | brian__: dunno, sorry |
| 00:19.53 | brian__ | o |
| 00:20.12 | edistar | SpeedEvil: you could also feed me with TI voyage 200 commands ;) |
| 00:20.31 | brian__ | exit |
| 00:20.44 | brian__ | lol |
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| 00:22.12 | peepsalot | is anyone else getting this error on upgrade? * Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 But that file is already provided by package * libncurses5 |
| 00:23.02 | mw| | peepsalot: force uninstall libncurses, and it should be okey |
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| 00:26.34 | edistar | SpeedEvil: what does unit size mean? |
| 00:26.43 | peepsalot | mw|, thanks |
| 00:27.13 | railer | hey whats the command to test if eth0 is working? |
| 00:27.34 | edistar | railer: ping <ip> ? |
| 00:27.37 | SpeedEvil | edistar: a vector of magnitude 1 |
| 00:27.39 | edistar | railer: ifconfig |
| 00:27.45 | SpeedEvil | edistar: I'm looking for a nice FAQ that I recall |
| 00:28.09 | edistar | SpeedEvil: ah, vector/|vektor| ? |
| 00:28.09 | railer | except how do I know it's going through eth0 and not data or usb? |
| 00:28.13 | edistar | *vector |
| 00:28.18 | railer | ifconfig looks ok |
| 00:28.32 | edistar | railer: ping -I eth0 <ip> |
| 00:28.49 | railer | thanks couldnt remember that line |
| 00:29.03 | edistar | man ping :) |
| 00:30.01 | dTx | man ins't on these phones ;-) |
| 00:30.11 | railer | ok then I think I have everything a goin |
| 00:30.27 | dTx | ok, can anybody record audio using arecord? |
| 00:30.43 | dTx | It looks like it keeps trying to access dmix and then fails |
| 00:31.04 | dTx | I do arecord -L but it doesn't show anything |
| 00:31.18 | peepsalot | what's currently the best web browser for freerunner? |
| 00:31.23 | dTx | Thats why I was wondering if you can actually record |
| 00:31.31 | cjb | 88 |
| 00:31.37 | cjb | oops. |
| 00:31.46 | dTx | peepsalot: they all suck, probably minimo though |
| 00:32.45 | peepsalot | i have some text messages that show up as one of those unicode boxes with numbers : 00 10 |
| 00:33.18 | dTx | peepsalot: are you on AT&T? |
| 00:33.24 | peepsalot | yes |
| 00:33.27 | SirBob1701 | is there an easy way to debug on a gta02 why gtk application launchers dont show up in my ASU launcher? |
| 00:33.29 | dTx | me too |
| 00:33.33 | cjb | three |
| 00:33.41 | dTx | 0010 is when you delete a voice mail |
| 00:33.44 | cjb | I couldn't get registered this morning :( |
| 00:33.47 | dTx | 0011 is when you get a voice mail |
| 00:33.55 | dTx | I've figured |
| 00:33.57 | cjb | eventually managed to, after leaving it alone for a half hour |
| 00:34.02 | edistar | SirBob1701: there was something about the .desktop files needing one more line to show up |
| 00:34.35 | SirBob1701 | hmm i'll have to compare edistar |
| 00:34.59 | peepsalot | oh, weird |
| 00:35.16 | dTx | peepsalot: yep |
| 00:35.26 | peepsalot | is that carrier specific? |
| 00:35.32 | dTx | I guess so |
| 00:35.48 | dTx | Cuz its obviously not handled in the FR software, so they probably aren't even aware of it |
| 00:35.56 | dTx | I guess |
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| 00:36.22 | peepsalot | dtx, seems like it shouldn't be. i mean, if I had a phone before that could recognize when i had a voicemail, and it wasn't locked down to a particular carrier, it must be some universal thing, right? |
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| 00:42.08 | dTx | peesalot: I guess so |
| 00:42.41 | dTx | maybe its a US thing? |
| 00:44.12 | dTx | peepsalot |
| 00:44.16 | dTx | not peesalot |
| 00:44.18 | dTx | hahaha |
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| 00:47.01 | walrustown | I am getting *really* mad at libtool |
| 00:47.45 | dTx | anybody know how to disable showing the SIM card contacts? |
| 00:47.58 | SirBob1701 | dTx: in what ASU? |
| 00:48.22 | dTx | in the release software. I am assuming that its 2007.2, right? |
| 00:48.41 | dTx | Is ASU a completely different branch? |
| 00:48.42 | SirBob1701 | ya it is no idea for that though |
| 00:48.49 | mw| | NOTE: Task failed: Checksum of 'http://gpephone.linuxtogo.org/download/gpephone/voicecall-0.1/voicecall-0.1.tar.gz' failed |
| 00:48.51 | SirBob1701 | ya it is |
| 00:48.58 | dTx | or does opkg update && opkg upgrade get me to it? |
| 00:49.04 | mw| | tried multiple times, allways same md5 error |
| 00:50.46 | SirBob1701 | dTx: you have to flash it to get the ASU |
| 00:51.05 | SirBob1701 | for i'm using one from july 15th and i like it better then 2007.2 |
| 00:51.16 | dTx | what's the difference? |
| 00:51.46 | SirBob1701 | dTx: the ASU uses the e17 backend and is entirely different with completely different UI |
| 00:51.46 | dTx | ~ASU |
| 00:51.47 | apt | from memory, asu is the April Software Update, an release name for a OpenMoko distribution. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan. |
| 00:52.03 | dTx | Is it more/less reliable? |
| 00:52.09 | dTx | virtually circle one |
| 00:52.20 | sirkha | hello, i am using an att sim card that has been reported to work (71234G 3022) and i am getting "registration denied" errors on my FreeRunner, could someone help me find more information, or point me in the right direction? |
| 00:53.48 | MadTBone | dTx: I find ASU really slow... and I didn't find its usability better than 2007.2 |
| 00:54.20 | Maniac` | does your FreeRunner use LCD or OLED display? |
| 00:54.21 | Maniac` | :] |
| 00:54.25 | SirBob1701 | MadTBone: i think its significantly faster then 2007.2 and better usability |
| 00:54.53 | SirBob1701 | course i'm still trying to get gtk apps to show the hell up on the launcher |
| 00:55.20 | dTx | ick |
| 00:55.25 | dTx | sounds like its running Qtopia? |
| 00:55.30 | SirBob1701 | yup |
| 00:55.30 | MadTBone | SirBob1701: really... I found it to be less stable... are you using recommended image, or daily build? |
| 00:55.44 | SirBob1701 | MadTBone: daily build from july 15th |
| 00:56.01 | dTx | OK, so what are the active branches of OpenMoko? |
| 00:56.02 | SirBob1701 | gotta find the mailing list for asu |
| 00:56.13 | SirBob1701 | dTx: only active ones are ASU and FSO |
| 00:56.27 | SirBob1701 | 2007.2 is pretty much dead from what i've read |
| 00:56.27 | MadTBone | SirBob1701: how's the stability |
| 00:56.40 | MadTBone | SirBob1701: no. 2007.2 is still somewhat active |
| 00:57.11 | SirBob1701 | MadTBone: it messes up like once a day thats about it really. doesn't always show sim contacts but once you import them its fine can always text and call |
| 00:57.34 | SirBob1701 | most of the crashes i've caused are from packages that are messed up |
| 00:57.41 | SirBob1701 | just don't use the july 18th image. |
| 00:57.49 | SirBob1701 | the keyboard in that is screwed |
| 00:58.03 | MadTBone | is it fixed in today's |
| 00:58.05 | MadTBone | ? |
| 00:58.14 | SirBob1701 | is there one for today? i haven't looked lol |
| 00:58.29 | dTx | I want to use FSO |
| 00:58.30 | MadTBone | yeah...must have been uploaded in the last hour or 2 |
| 00:58.36 | dTx | ~fso |
| 00:58.37 | apt | from memory, fso is the freesmartphone.org software release. It includes the backbone software for the phone hardware (and some other things) and a working dialer, and not much else. |
| 00:58.55 | MadTBone | dTx: I really like FSO...but it doesn't do much other than call yet |
| 00:59.21 | dTx | It uses GTK on X correct? |
| 00:59.29 | SirBob1701 | hmm to install the july19th build or to keep tyring to get gtk apps icons to show up hmm |
| 00:59.48 | MadTBone | dTx: I don't know...but it's stable |
| 01:00.50 | MadTBone | SirBob1701: you can always deal w/ icons later...you can only install today's image today |
| 01:00.56 | dTx | So what isn't in there |
| 01:01.02 | dTx | I keep seeing this basic phone only stuff |
| 01:01.30 | MadTBone | dTx: everything but calls...look on the wiki for a video |
| 01:01.38 | SirBob1701 | MadTBone: ya but this icon thing is really pissing me off lol. I want to launch tango gps |
| 01:01.56 | SirBob1701 | sweet theres a july 20th out lol |
| 01:02.06 | MadTBone | rly!? |
| 01:02.11 | SirBob1701 | ya |
| 01:02.21 | SirBob1701 | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080720/ |
| 01:02.22 | MadTBone | omg omg omg!!! |
| 01:02.23 | dTx | FSO? |
| 01:02.50 | dTx | aren't those just dailies? |
| 01:02.56 | SirBob1701 | yup |
| 01:04.11 | dTx | so... not stable right? |
| 01:04.42 | SirBob1701 | oh crap theres a negative review of openmoko freerunner on front page of reddit |
| 01:05.12 | dTx | well, to be honest it is pretty much alpha quality software, atm |
| 01:05.35 | SirBob1701 | ya but phone calls are stable enough and sms on asu |
| 01:05.44 | SirBob1701 | this assholes doing it with the 2007.2 though |
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| 01:07.11 | dTx | huh? |
| 01:07.23 | dTx | who is doing what with 2007.2? |
| 01:07.44 | SirBob1701 | http://www.reddit.com/goto?id=6sknz |
| 01:07.54 | cjb | does he compare the $400 price tag on the moko to the ~$2000 (after two year contract) iPhone? |
| 01:08.24 | SirBob1701 | huh you'd think |
| 01:11.34 | trix | lol new daily won't stop vibrating |
| 01:11.59 | cjb | haha |
| 01:12.21 | trix | guess i'll be leaving it at home this evening |
| 01:13.30 | dTx | so who is in charge of FSO? |
| 01:13.34 | MadTBone | trix: which image? |
| 01:14.19 | trix | the one mentioned above, 20080720. vibrates on message received, but doesn't stop vibrating. |
| 01:14.38 | trix | it's still humming along like a champ next to me |
| 01:14.39 | dTx | MadTBone: is the openmoko-devel-image still the GPE based one? |
| 01:14.40 | MadTBone | trix: ASU or 2007.2? |
| 01:14.43 | trix | 2007.2 |
| 01:15.49 | dTx | GPE.GTK |
| 01:15.54 | dTx | GPE/GTK |
| 01:16.06 | MadTBone | dTx: yep |
| 01:16.39 | MadTBone | dTx: ASU says qtopia |
| 01:19.11 | trix | it may have some problems but i still love it. when nothing else works, minesweeper is still a big hit. ;) |
| 01:19.55 | donomo | i am sometimes surprised by what does work. like the calendar entries for today on the home page |
| 01:20.06 | SirBob1701 | trix: do you know how to get gtk applications to show up in the launcher on the 20070718 image? |
| 01:20.33 | SirBob1701 | err |
| 01:20.39 | SirBob1701 | 20080718 lol |
| 01:21.04 | railer | hey anyone know why I can't see mtpaint? |
| 01:21.38 | MadTBone | SirBob1701: do you have the landscape mode touchscreen bug in ASU? |
| 01:23.38 | SirBob1701 | no |
| 01:23.41 | SirBob1701 | err |
| 01:23.45 | SirBob1701 | if i'm understanding what your saying |
| 01:23.51 | SirBob1701 | holding phone sideways |
| 01:23.52 | SirBob1701 | ? |
| 01:24.21 | MadTBone | SirBob1701: in 2007.2, when you go into landscape mode all touches are registered too far left |
| 01:24.52 | dTx | So has anyone tried the 20080720 devel-image? |
| 01:25.04 | SirBob1701 | MadTBone: i don't even think asu has landscape yet |
| 01:25.20 | MadTBone | dTx: I'm about to...need to back up my config 1st |
| 01:25.40 | dTx | how do you do that? |
| 01:26.02 | MadTBone | dTx: tar |
| 01:26.33 | dTx | oh |
| 01:26.34 | dTx | hehe |
| 01:26.46 | MadTBone | I'm just going to tar /home and /etc to SD |
| 01:27.05 | dTx | wouldn't that be useless without all your opkgs installed? |
| 01:27.41 | MadTBone | opkg list_installed >> pkg.list |
| 01:27.44 | b0ef | is there some info on the wiki about setting up wifi ad hoc mode between several freerunners? |
| 01:27.58 | MadTBone | can you think of any benefit to keeping the sd formatted to fat32? |
| 01:28.03 | dTx | sounds like a good idea MadTBone |
| 01:28.34 | dTx | MadTBone: when you try it could you tell me how it goes? |
| 01:28.43 | MadTBone | b0ef: I think I just read that ad hoc isn't implemented yet...could be wrong though... |
| 01:30.34 | cjb | MadTBone: fat32 is pretty good for non-wear-levelled flash. |
| 01:31.15 | MadTBone | is microSD not wear levelled? |
| 01:31.24 | cjb | dunno. |
| 01:32.11 | MadTBone | cjb: I think it is...everything but old smartmedia and raw flash are, I believe... |
| 01:32.54 | cjb | MadTBone: I think some SD controllers might not implement wear levelling. |
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| 01:33.55 | MadTBone | cjb: not part of the spec? |
| 01:34.11 | sontek | My phone randomly stops taking calls/allowing me to make calls, and there is no obvious reason why |
| 01:34.16 | MadTBone | cjb: and if not...does the GTA02's do it? |
| 01:34.23 | cjb | MadTBone: I have no knowledge. :) |
| 01:34.28 | sontek | and then I'll reboot it and it'll comee back and say "registering..." but wont actually register |
| 01:34.46 | sontek | well... it will, but takes a good 5/10 minutes |
| 01:34.55 | MadTBone | sontek: which carrier? |
| 01:34.59 | sontek | t-mobile |
| 01:35.02 | cjb | Seems likely that the GTA02 would. One of the reasons people have been using fat32 in general on SD is that ext3 is pretty pathological on it. |
| 01:35.16 | sontek | i'm running 2007.2 from the 15th |
| 01:36.23 | MadTBone | cjb: yeah...journaling seems like a bad idea on flash...but why not ext2 |
| 01:36.31 | Toaster` | cjb: As an extention of what you said, generally any journaled fs is bad |
| 01:36.43 | Toaster` | heh, what MadTBone said |
| 01:37.50 | cjb | ext2's ok (but wasn't bootable on GTA02 until recently). I think I heard that it writes to the same block quite a lot. |
| 01:39.23 | MadTBone | sontek: no knowledge of T-Mobile....other than that I like their minute reporting (#646* or something like that)....it updates as soon as you're finished...AT&T doesn't |
| 01:40.15 | sontek | is there any work being on on the SMS interface for the 2007.2 or is it being abandoned for ASU/FSO? |
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| 01:40.29 | sontek | done on* sorry |
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| 01:44.10 | dTx | Who is behind FSO? |
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| 01:45.55 | b0ef | what does GTA stand for?;) |
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| 01:48.39 | MadTBone | b0ef: http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA |
| 01:50.28 | b0ef | ;) |
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| 01:51.00 | SirBob1701 | what the heck does this mean? just happened today on my desktop wtf http://pastebin.ca/1077213 |
| 01:51.57 | SpeedEvil | uroot? |
| 01:52.04 | SirBob1701 | oo lol |
| 01:52.28 | SirBob1701 | don't i feel like an ass |
| 01:52.29 | SirBob1701 | haha |
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| 01:53.58 | kd8ikt | heh nice finaly got everything working together |
| 01:54.14 | kd8ikt | dude i can lock onto like 10 sat's when i'm on my roof |
| 01:55.07 | SirBob1701 | i still gotta get tango working in the asu |
| 01:55.09 | retracile | Hrm... glibc build is failing :( |
| 01:55.44 | kd8ikt | eh :p asu OM 2007.2 FTW |
| 01:55.49 | tomjoad440 | can anybody help me with building u-boot from OM git? for starters what *_config to use. |
| 01:56.53 | kd8ikt | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
| 01:57.02 | kd8ikt | 2 top ones are my screenshots |
| 01:57.38 | kd8ikt | see em? |
| 01:58.54 | SirBob1701 | kd8ikt: ??? |
| 01:58.59 | linuxxr | so whats toe openmoko text edit tool/ |
| 01:59.08 | linuxxr | pico? |
| 01:59.27 | mmontour | tomjoad440: probably "gta02v5" unless you have a v6 device (and even the I'm not sure whether it needs a v6 config or whether it uses the v5). |
| 01:59.52 | mmontour | You can check your device by looking at "Revision:" in /proc/cpuinfo - "0350" = v5 |
| 02:01.04 | kd8ikt | sirbob if you just click that link all will be answered |
| 02:01.37 | kd8ikt | thats pimp i locked onto 8gps satalites while at sat on my roof |
| 02:01.43 | mmontour | Oh, and it's "make u-boot.udfu" to get an image in the right format for flashing with dfu-util |
| 02:01.55 | kd8ikt | ps i was playing mp3's on my sd card also |
| 02:02.10 | SirBob1701 | lol. the new kernel? |
| 02:02.13 | kd8ikt | latest build |
| 02:02.38 | kd8ikt | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080718/uboot-gta01bv2-latest.bin and http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080718/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 02:02.43 | tomjoad440 | mmontour: so what commands should I issue? the only thing I had found in the wiki was the page talking about Migrating to bad block builds |
| 02:03.04 | tomjoad440 | mmontour: and obviously that was still referring to the svn+patches |
| 02:03.38 | SirBob1701 | kd8ikt: gta01? |
| 02:03.44 | kd8ikt | free runner |
| 02:03.49 | MadTBone | linuxxr: vi |
| 02:03.56 | SirBob1701 | whys the uboot say gta 01? |
| 02:03.58 | kd8ikt | GTA02v5 i believe |
| 02:04.05 | linuxxr | ok |
| 02:04.21 | kd8ikt | whoops wrong link |
| 02:04.24 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 02:04.45 | kd8ikt | not u boot but |
| 02:05.05 | tomjoad440 | mmontour: FYI, I attempted "make ARCH=arm gta02v5_config" and I get "No rule to make target" |
| 02:05.09 | dTx | kd8ikt: why not 20080720 build |
| 02:05.15 | mmontour | To build u-boot, you should just need to "make gta02v5_config" then "make u-boot.udfu". You also have to give it an environment variable like CROSS_COMPILE=/home/user/moko/build/tmp/cross/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi- (edit the path as needed for your environment) |
| 02:05.45 | linuxxr | so for the opkg.conf we need to add |
| 02:05.49 | kd8ikt | eh those werent there an hour ago dTx |
| 02:05.53 | kd8ikt | latest was 18 |
| 02:05.59 | brian__ | src <src-name> <source-url> |
| 02:06.37 | SirBob1701 | did anyone get any gtk applications working in the asu? |
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| 02:06.46 | kd8ikt | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080718/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin was my image but it seems it doesnt exist anymore |
| 02:07.19 | kd8ikt | i swear it was there 2 hrs or so ago |
| 02:07.30 | dTx | kd8ikt: so how does it run? |
| 02:07.36 | kd8ikt | perfect |
| 02:07.55 | dTx | perfect like just like 2007.2 perfect? |
| 02:08.09 | kd8ikt | dunno if i want to go updating/flashing again just yet i just got it running/config'd the way i want it |
| 02:08.15 | mmontour | tomjoad440: make sure you're on the "stable" branch of the git repository. "No rule to make target" sounds like you may be on the wrong branch |
| 02:08.24 | railer | hey quick question, if a flash this everything in the phone will be lost? |
| 02:08.36 | rwhitby | makes a plea to Openmoko to release the GTA01 schematics ... |
| 02:08.39 | kd8ikt | i'm hagning out with my dad tomorrow and i want everything neat so i can show him |
| 02:09.00 | tomjoad440 | mmontour: ok, i'll check that. I wouldn't be surprised. Thank you |
| 02:09.06 | kd8ikt | we're going to an airshow |
| 02:09.30 | railer | airshow make for the best craches |
| 02:10.10 | kd8ikt | thats evil to say/think |
| 02:10.14 | dTx | kd8ikt how old are you? |
| 02:10.45 | dTx | not trying to be weird just wondering |
| 02:10.47 | kd8ikt | 35 |
| 02:10.49 | kd8ikt | 25* |
| 02:10.51 | dTx | oh ok |
| 02:10.54 | dTx | haha |
| 02:10.56 | kd8ikt | did you see those http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ images? |
| 02:11.19 | kd8ikt | w00t mine are the two top ones |
| 02:12.35 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r4542 10/developers/werner/mmcds/ (. Makefile mmcds.c): MMC Drive Strength get/set utility. (GTA02) |
| 02:12.36 | kd8ikt | what do those lil black half circles mean? |
| 02:13.05 | kd8ikt | lock strength? |
| 02:13.55 | SpeedEvil | mwe: /me wants cheap GTA01 mainboards. |
| 02:14.13 | SpeedEvil | rwi: /me wants cheap GTA01 mainboards. |
| 02:14.27 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: |
| 02:14.41 | dTx | I don't think thats how /me works |
| 02:14.47 | SpeedEvil | dTx: I know |
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| 02:17.46 | retracile | For the record: my build was failing on glibc on a qemu-arm ... localdef command; setting ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" in build/conf/local.conf appears to have gotten me past it. (It's on the wiki, but wasn't obvious to me at first that it was what I needed.) |
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| 02:22.41 | tomjoad440 | mmontour: Thank you, it was that I wasn't on the stable branch. Do you know if running the setup-env from the tool chain would have covered using the CROSS_COMPILE environment variable? |
| 02:23.31 | mmontour | don't think so, but you can try. If it's not set right then you'll get "make: arm-linux-gcc: Command not found" |
| 02:24.04 | mmontour | I've never used the toolchain. I use Openembedded+Mokomakefile. |
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| 02:28.04 | retracile | Is there a way to get tangogps to download its maps for all of a metroplex area? |
| 02:29.14 | cjb | retracile: zoom so that the area is covered, and download all? |
| 02:29.30 | cjb | it does it based on what area's currently visible. |
| 02:29.35 | tomjoad440 | any idea what I've done wrong to get a "/path/to/cross-compile/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-ld: unrecognized option '-Wl,-rpath-link,/path/to/cross/compile/lib' |
| 02:30.02 | retracile | cjb: where would I find 'download all'? |
| 02:30.15 | cjb | retracile: tap anywhere on the screen, choose map download, and do the 5 zoom level thing |
| 02:30.40 | mmontour | Don't know why that happened, but the problem is that "-Wl,..." is supposed to be passed to gcc rather than directly to ld |
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| 02:30.49 | retracile | cjb: ahh!!! I hadn't found that menu. Thanks! |
| 02:30.57 | cjb | retracile: :) |
| 02:31.14 | tomjoad440 | mmontour: would this all be easier if I used OE+Mokomakefile? is it setup to compile uboot from the git tree? |
| 02:31.58 | retracile | heh. only 4000 tiles to download.. :) |
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| 02:32.40 | cjb | retracile: I've got 110M of tiles on my SD at the moment :) |
| 02:33.06 | cjb | really impressed with tangogps and openstreetmap |
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| 02:33.19 | retracile | cjb: :) Yeah, looks like I'll be there shortly. Then I'll do the +6 view for 400MB. |
| 02:33.35 | retracile | has found his reason for a 4GB uSD card ;) |
| 02:33.45 | mmontour | There's a bitbake recipe in OE that is quite close to what you want (u-boot-openmoko-devel_git.bb or something like that). I'm working on an updated version of that recipe but I haven't finished testing it yet |
| 02:34.26 | mmontour | I've seen that "-Wl," problem reported before (although I don't think it was for u-boot) but I didn't see if anyone solved it |
| 02:34.56 | railer | with the GPS how bad is it with the sd card in? It seems pretty good without |
| 02:35.27 | cjb | railer: works fine here |
| 02:35.41 | cjb | just went on a bike ride with maps on SD, it kept up fine |
| 02:35.42 | tomjoad440 | I guess I'll try doing that then |
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| 02:35.59 | retracile | railer: rumor has it that the latest kernels do well |
| 02:36.14 | cjb | right, I have the latest kernel, of course |
| 02:36.22 | cjb | gps is unusable with SD without it, and fine with it |
| 02:36.38 | cjb | thinks we can un-rumor that now. |
| 02:36.49 | retracile | heh :) |
| 02:36.57 | railer | anyone try a 8G sd yet? |
| 02:37.08 | retracile | railer: a number of people on the mailing lists have. |
| 02:37.14 | cjb | railer: yeah, someone in here said they did and it worked fine |
| 02:37.26 | retracile | I think I saw one report that was negative, but everyone else said it worked fine. |
| 02:37.29 | railer | know any good deal online? |
| 02:37.33 | cjb | railer: amazon |
| 02:37.34 | retracile | Fry's? |
| 02:37.34 | cjb | $30 or so |
| 02:38.10 | retracile | plans to opt for Class 6 4GB instead of class 4 8GB |
| 02:38.14 | railer | that's cheap, I would go read the lists but I like talking to people, hope you guys dont mind |
| 02:38.22 | retracile | :) |
| 02:38.24 | cjb | s'fine. |
| 02:38.38 | swc|666 | grr... i have a question - when running an sd card install of Debian on the FR, using the git.openmoko kernel... when i need the kernel headers to compile a module / driver on the device, how can i do so? |
| 02:38.45 | railer | class 6 vs class 4 big difference? |
| 02:38.55 | retracile | railer: there is a huge amount of traffic on the list. (granted, linux-kernel it ain't, but anyway...) |
| 02:38.56 | goldenhawk | Has someone put the SD card GPS workaround in the kernel yet? |
| 02:39.07 | cjb | goldenhawk: yes, quite a few days ago |
| 02:39.15 | retracile | railer: I haven't seen apples-to-apples comparisons. |
| 02:39.16 | railer | do |
| 02:39.29 | railer | do I have to flash to get the new kernel? |
| 02:39.37 | cjb | you just have to reflash the kernel, I think? |
| 02:39.54 | railer | everything I've added will be lost on the flash? |
| 02:40.01 | cjb | no, because the kernel is in its own partition |
| 02:40.01 | mmontour | I tested a 4G Class6 in my Neo1973 yesterday. I got 2.8 MiB/s write and 3.2 MiB/s read on a 100MiB file |
| 02:40.07 | cjb | nothing you've added will be lost |
| 02:40.09 | railer | oh good |
| 02:40.16 | goldenhawk | cjb: Neat. Thanks. |
| 02:40.23 | railer | you know it's a damn fun phone |
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| 02:40.46 | retracile | railer: As I understand it, we can get ~3MB/s, and the class 4 peaks at 4; but the SD bus may be able to go up to 7MB/s, and class 6 peaks at 6MB/s. (Take w/grain of salt--I'm not 100% certain of these "facts") |
| 02:41.32 | retracile | mmontour: how do those numbers compare with the 8GB-class4 numbers? |
| 02:41.51 | mmontour | Send me an 8G-class4 and I'll be glad to measure it for you :) |
| 02:41.59 | retracile | mmontour: hehe :) |
| 02:42.31 | mmontour | It's similar to a measurement I saw for 8G class4 in the Freerunner, but because mine is a Neo1973 I don't know what I would see here with an 8G |
| 02:42.54 | railer | It's pretty cool being the only one in a major city with this phone too, and showing the CLI terminal to linux fan boy is damn fun |
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| 02:53.42 | MadTBone | railer: what city would that be? |
| 02:53.59 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 02:54.18 | kd8ikt | i also consider myself a linux missionary |
| 02:54.42 | SpeedEvil | ponders gags about positions. |
| 02:55.06 | cjb | reverse cowsay? |
| 02:55.13 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 02:55.15 | MadTBone | ha! |
| 02:55.18 | kd8ikt | oh hai cjb |
| 02:55.32 | kd8ikt | saw ya in boston/mit on tangogps |
| 02:55.37 | cjb | yup |
| 02:55.46 | kd8ikt | goto mit? |
| 02:55.51 | cjb | work there, at OLPC |
| 02:55.58 | kd8ikt | noshit? |
| 02:56.07 | cjb | yup |
| 02:56.13 | kd8ikt | i was gonna buy in on that when it was buy one get one |
| 02:56.19 | cjb | that's gonna start again soon |
| 02:56.28 | cjb | (and they're pretty cheap on ebay) |
| 02:56.33 | kd8ikt | dude integrate some mesh net on the moko |
| 02:56.51 | kd8ikt | i need to implement that on my openwrt routers aswell |
| 02:57.12 | cjb | yeah, mesh tends to require special hardware |
| 02:57.12 | MadTBone | cjb: how's OLPC faring...there's so much back&forth in media (and by media....I mean blogosphere) |
| 02:57.18 | cjb | MadTBone: it's going great, imho |
| 02:57.28 | kd8ikt | aw that sucks |
| 02:57.39 | kd8ikt | played with olpc on qemu |
| 02:57.46 | kd8ikt | really cool stuff |
| 02:57.47 | cjb | kd8ikt: it doesn't have to, if you have full control of your radio in software, but most radios don't let you |
| 02:57.56 | kd8ikt | roger that |
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| 02:58.31 | cjb | kd8ikt: you're in MA too? |
| 02:58.48 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 02:58.56 | kd8ikt | <-- cinci ohio |
| 02:59.00 | railer | how do I get something from the OE repository? |
| 02:59.14 | cjb | kd8ikt: ah, thought you might have seen me nearby in tangogps |
| 02:59.20 | cjb | railer: opkg install foo? |
| 02:59.27 | railer | oh ok |
| 02:59.29 | kd8ikt | nah i looked cause i heard you say you lived in boston |
| 02:59.37 | cjb | k |
| 02:59.49 | kd8ikt | btw are you irish i hear all boston folk ar "mic's" |
| 02:59.51 | railer | OE is the opkg, just wasn't sure |
| 03:00.05 | swc|666 | kd8ikt: do you have insight on how I can get kernel headers for the git.openmoko kernel? |
| 03:00.15 | kd8ikt | hm |
| 03:00.20 | cjb | I'm English, just moved to Boston/the US two years ago. My mother's Irish. ;-) But that's not why I moved here. |
| 03:00.35 | kd8ikt | kernel source? |
| 03:00.51 | kd8ikt | cjb: see that movie "the departed"? |
| 03:00.51 | cjb | railer: yeah, I think so. If you do opkg list you can see what to install. |
| 03:00.57 | cjb | kd8ikt: no, missed that one |
| 03:01.12 | railer | is there a online description of everything in opkg? not just opkg list? |
| 03:01.13 | kd8ikt | awe go rent d/l it |
| 03:01.27 | cjb | railer: hm, dunno |
| 03:01.39 | kd8ikt | figured it'd be on public access in boston lol |
| 03:01.43 | railer | that list is massive, would be nice if it was sorted |
| 03:02.05 | kd8ikt | swc|666: kernel sources? |
| 03:02.22 | railer | opkg install mtpaint, where is that one? it doesn't show up |
| 03:02.39 | railer | on the FR once installed |
| 03:02.44 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.05 | swc|666 | kd8ikt: i'm trying to build a diferent rt73 driver module that isnt in the source tree... trying to compile it on the FR |
| 03:03.09 | swc|666 | itself* |
| 03:03.13 | kd8ikt | then cd linux-2.6 ; git checkout origin/andy |
| 03:03.36 | kd8ikt | oh |
| 03:03.39 | swc|666 | k.. |
| 03:03.52 | kd8ikt | well i dunno |
| 03:03.58 | swc|666 | me neither |
| 03:04.37 | kd8ikt | i have to hit the hay soon, big day tomorrow |
| 03:04.53 | kd8ikt | one more killian's |
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| 03:07.41 | retracile | calls it a night, and waves |
| 03:10.20 | kd8ikt | any accelleromter diagnostic apps? |
| 03:11.49 | SirBob1701 | can you launch a program on your phone via ssh |
| 03:11.50 | SirBob1701 | ? |
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| 03:16.27 | retracile_ | SirBob1701: yes, you'll likely need to set DISPLAY=0: .. or was it 0.0 ? eh, something like that. |
| 03:19.02 | carrar | ack |
| 03:19.03 | carrar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.03 | carrar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.10 | carrar | during 1st upgrade |
| 03:19.31 | carrar | go with the default? |
| 03:20.19 | kd8ikt | :0.0 |
| 03:20.26 | kd8ikt | export |
| 03:20.43 | kd8ikt | export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 03:21.14 | kd8ikt | though i dont think my moko has export |
| 03:21.25 | kd8ikt | whats another way to set it? |
| 03:22.04 | linuxxr | do i have to edit opkg.conf to get it to update? |
| 03:22.17 | kd8ikt | or maybe just 'DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 03:22.33 | kd8ikt | linuxxr: i dont think so |
| 03:23.01 | kd8ikt | it seems to be setup for the daily/all repo's by default |
| 03:23.06 | linuxxee | Must have one or more source entries of the form: |
| 03:23.07 | linuxxee | # |
| 03:23.07 | linuxxee | # src <src-name> <source-url> |
| 03:23.07 | linuxxee | # |
| 03:23.07 | linuxxee | # and one or more destination entries of the form: |
| 03:23.07 | linuxxee | # |
| 03:23.09 | linuxxee | # dest <dest-name> <target-path> |
| 03:23.11 | linuxxee | # |
| 03:23.12 | carrar | I'm upgrading mine now, I have no idea what I;m doing, it's awesome!! |
| 03:23.13 | linuxxee | # where <src-name> and <dest-names> are identifiers that |
| 03:23.15 | linuxxee | # should match [a-zA-Z0-9._-]+, <source-url> should be a |
| 03:23.18 | linuxxee | # URL that points to a directory containing a Familiar |
| 03:23.19 | linuxxee | # Packages file, and <target-path> should be a directory |
| 03:23.21 | linuxxee | # that exists on the target system. |
| 03:23.29 | kd8ikt | stabs linuxxee with a sharp spoon |
| 03:23.48 | carrar | use http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 03:23.48 | linuxxee | am i missing something? |
| 03:23.55 | linuxxee | sorry |
| 03:24.01 | kd8ikt | nah leave it alone |
| 03:24.14 | linuxxee | ok thanks |
| 03:24.23 | kd8ikt | you shouldnt have to ever change it |
| 03:24.28 | kd8ikt | for now.... |
| 03:24.44 | kd8ikt | unless you want to add someone elses 3rd party repo |
| 03:25.21 | linuxxee | when i opkg install dropbear it says im up to date |
| 03:25.31 | kd8ikt | good |
| 03:25.51 | linuxxee | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.08 | linuxxee | so the keyboard / |
| 03:26.27 | linuxxee | install the matchbox or not |
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| 03:28.08 | carrar | linuxxee, doing mine too for the 1st time, finding it works better if you drink beer |
| 03:28.32 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 03:28.37 | kd8ikt | i do very well then |
| 03:28.59 | carrar | heh |
| 03:29.41 | carrar | Did get a corruption on the gallery thing |
| 03:30.02 | carrar | pretending i didn't see it though |
| 03:30.51 | linuxxee | bush is a bottle please |
| 03:31.00 | linuxxee | in* |
| 03:31.42 | linuxxee | anybodys phone come already fully updated? |
| 03:31.57 | carrar | tar jvxf minimo.tar.bz2 |
| 03:31.59 | carrar | woops |
| 03:32.01 | carrar | I doubt it |
| 03:32.06 | carrar | that would be too much work |
| 03:32.12 | carrar | havng to track releases |
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| 03:36.05 | linuxxr | so i do the opkg upgrade an it keeps saying nothing to do |
| 03:36.24 | rwhitby | can't tell whether steve's second message on the list was meant to be public, or was meant to be private to Sean ... |
| 03:36.35 | linuxxr | it should show upgrading the packages right ? |
| 03:37.44 | mmontour | linuxxr: you did an "opkg update" first and it successfully downloaded the new package info? |
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| 03:38.03 | linuxxr | where would i find a list of freerunner packages? |
| 03:38.38 | linuxxr | yes i ssh in from a linux box an it downloads stuff |
| 03:39.01 | linuxxr | errors on .sig files |
| 03:39.31 | mmontour | yeah, the .sig errors don't seem to matter. |
| 03:39.35 | linuxxr | ok |
| 03:40.02 | linuxxr | now when i do opkg upgrade it just says nothing to do |
| 03:40.34 | linuxxr | i havent seen it upgrade anything |
| 03:40.46 | stephelton | i changed my ringtone in the pulseaudio session file and the correct file plays, but it repeats very frequently and it sounds just awful |
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| 03:41.50 | linuxxr | are those md5sum sigs that are failing? |
| 03:41.56 | kd8ikt | j/me removed the /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/touchscreen.wav |
| 03:42.06 | kd8ikt | hate that beep |
| 03:42.15 | linuxxr | thump |
| 03:42.27 | kd8ikt | changed my wallpaper too |
| 03:42.42 | kd8ikt | havent mest with the default ringer yet it doenst bother me too much |
| 03:42.58 | dtx1 | So has anybody seen this? |
| 03:43.12 | dtx1 | How did they get this smooth animation: http://projects.openmoko.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=412 |
| 03:43.41 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 03:43.54 | dtx1 | You see the video? |
| 03:44.04 | kd8ikt | m4a? i dont have the amr codec |
| 03:44.17 | kd8ikt | or whatever that lame itunes format is |
| 03:44.22 | dtx1 | You have vlc? |
| 03:44.31 | dtx1 | Its mpeg4 |
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| 03:45.16 | kd8ikt | ew neato |
| 03:45.21 | kd8ikt | ripples |
| 03:45.25 | kd8ikt | i like that |
| 03:45.40 | kd8ikt | thats hawt |
| 03:45.48 | aggtrfrad | hey, anyone running debian on the freerunner? |
| 03:45.48 | MadTBone | dtx1: looks like they might be using opengl |
| 03:46.05 | dtx1 | I didn't think they had an opengl implementation? |
| 03:46.15 | dtx1 | does it? |
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| 03:46.41 | stephelton | i changed my ringtone in the pulseaudio session file and the correct file plays, but it repeats very frequently (more often than the length of the wav) |
| 03:47.07 | budfive | Does anybody know if any of the software stacks interact well with voicemail? I.e. if any of them display an icon somewhere when there's an unread message? |
| 03:47.17 | SpeedEvil | No |
| 03:47.22 | dtx1 | stephelton: I didn't know thats how you changed it, good to know |
| 03:47.42 | stephelton | dtx1: that's what i did, perhaps that's not the 'preferred' way |
| 03:48.16 | dtx1 | stephelton: does it have a length field in there? |
| 03:48.52 | stephelton | dtx1: in the session file? no. the file i refer to is /etc/pulse/session |
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| 03:49.01 | dtx1 | oh cool |
| 03:49.02 | sontek | stephelton: did you make the ringtone yourself? are you using wav or mp3? I tried changing my ringtone and couldn't get it to work :P |
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| 03:49.31 | stephelton | sontek: its a wav i used 'audacity' to make out of an mp3 |
| 03:49.41 | stephelton | sontek: i couldn't get it to work with an mp3 or ogg file |
| 03:49.56 | sontek | stephelton: I'll have to try that, I tried using a bunch of different tools to convert and mp3 and none of them worked |
| 03:50.00 | MadTBone | SpeedEvil: was that "no" to dtx1 or budfive ? |
| 03:50.02 | sontek | it complained about needing a wav decoder |
| 03:50.37 | kd8ikt | day changed! |
| 03:50.39 | stephelton | sontek: yeah audacity is nice, i was able to easily sample a ~5 second clip of a song... |
| 03:50.48 | kd8ikt | july 20th |
| 03:51.08 | kd8ikt | export to wav |
| 03:52.09 | sontek | stephelton: thanks, i'll try that |
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| 03:53.30 | SpeedEvil | no - there is no current message waiting indicator. |
| 03:54.53 | walrustown | has anyone else had weird problems with SDL apps working but having their display mangled? |
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| 03:56.39 | MadTBone | SpeedEvil: that's what I thought....but then it occurred to me that you might have meant "no, there's no opengl implementation" |
| 03:57.19 | sontek | stephelton: how did you slice a part out of the mp3? |
| 03:57.38 | railer | anyone know how I can move the clock from the center of the home page to somewhere on the top or bottom? |
| 03:57.41 | linuxxr | audacity |
| 03:57.53 | sontek | I don't see a way to slice out a section in it |
| 03:58.00 | stephelton | sontek: load your file, select the portion you want, export something or other |
| 03:58.33 | sontek | oh, It grays out everything when its playing |
| 03:58.37 | swc|666 | so does anyone know how to get kernel headers from a git kernel? |
| 03:58.39 | sontek | I can export selection if I stop it |
| 03:58.49 | stephelton | has anyone had issues with ring tones repeating at a fixed/incorrect rate? i doubt this has anything to do with pulseaudio, probably a neod bug |
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| 03:59.59 | MadTBone | anyone used today's ASU image yet? |
| 04:00.30 | chillywilly | nope |
| 04:01.51 | linuxxr | can someone detail an image upgrade outline or summary? |
| 04:05.21 | MrShlee | I need to inform some people - Whats the hassle with the 3d hardware? slow dataline? no drivers? bad hardware? |
| 04:05.48 | linuxxr | 9 other people? |
| 04:06.32 | sontek | stephelton: did you have to restart pulse audio or anything after changing the session file? |
| 04:06.51 | MadTBone | linuxxr: are you staying within the same branch? |
| 04:06.58 | linuxxr | yup |
| 04:07.16 | linuxxr | for now |
| 04:07.29 | MadTBone | linuxxr: just do opkg update && opkg upgrade |
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| 04:11.29 | sontek | stephelton: I tried restarting pulse but it didn't seem to work, I've been rebooting to test |
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| 04:13.02 | sybesis | hi there |
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| 04:15.14 | sontek | hmm, I wonder if there is any log for ringtones |
| 04:15.18 | sontek | it wont play mine for some reason |
| 04:15.46 | Openfree | without debug board, can i route out the kernel msg to HOST serial console? |
| 04:17.21 | sontek | is there a way to find out what app its launching when a ring comes in to play the ringtone? |
| 04:17.59 | linuxxr | adduser works |
| 04:18.57 | linuxxr | is all put in /tmp? |
| 04:19.11 | linuxxr | when u download stuff? |
| 04:19.21 | linuxxr | or in home? |
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| 04:19.56 | sontek | and a way to detect when a call is coming in? I'd like to write a little python script the plays ringtones via gstreamer when a call comes in so that we can use mp3 ringtones instead of wav |
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| 04:22.39 | linuxxr | is the matchbox keyboard better? |
| 04:24.30 | sontek | No, its to small to be useful |
| 04:24.55 | sontek | and it has a bug where some of the numbers (9 and 0 for sure) output brackets instead of the number |
| 04:25.02 | linuxxee | Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz, error 0 |
| 04:25.06 | nullpuppy | sontek: i found a work around for that |
| 04:25.16 | sontek | nullpuppy: what'd you have to do? |
| 04:25.21 | nullpuppy | when you get that stuff instead of 9/0, press ctrl first |
| 04:25.28 | nullpuppy | and you get the right character |
| 04:25.29 | sontek | I love the ASU keyboard |
| 04:25.36 | sontek | I wish that was available in 2007.2 |
| 04:25.46 | nullpuppy | whats it like? have a ss? |
| 04:27.30 | linuxxee | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.35 | stephelton | sontek: i found that i needed to restart pulse and then restart xserver-nodm |
| 04:27.58 | sontek | nullpuppy: Its a full qwerty keyboard, but hides the numbers/special characters by default |
| 04:28.07 | sontek | and you just stroke up to have it switch to display those |
| 04:28.24 | sontek | so you get larger letters for typing with, rather than trying to fit *everything* on the screen |
| 04:28.44 | nullpuppy | sontek: hmm, awesome |
| 04:29.07 | railer | anyone know the command for putting the clock up in the top right corner |
| 04:29.09 | railer | ? |
| 04:29.27 | linuxxee | so the asu kernel is the 1 to have? |
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| 04:31.16 | sontek | I prefer 2007.2's main screen, but ASU has a *MUCH* better SMS interface |
| 04:31.18 | sontek | and keyboard |
| 04:31.33 | sontek | it took me forever to figure out how to send a text in 2007.2 |
| 04:31.42 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 04:31.42 | sontek | and I still can't figure out a way to reply |
| 04:32.07 | nullpuppy | yeah, the icons are kind of lacking in the way of being easy to understand |
| 04:32.16 | sontek | yeah |
| 04:32.30 | sontek | Once I realized that the battery looking icon was an envelope, it made more sense |
| 04:32.39 | nullpuppy | i haven't been able to really use the ASU build at all, apps don't want to run for me. |
| 04:32.42 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 04:32.56 | nullpuppy | the qtopia.net build is pretty nice and usable though |
| 04:33.04 | sontek | I haven't tried that one yet |
| 04:33.15 | sontek | I'm a gtk guy so I wanted to work on some GTK apps for 2007.2 |
| 04:33.15 | nullpuppy | i've used it for a couple days |
| 04:33.25 | nullpuppy | battery life is pretty excellent with it |
| 04:33.28 | dtx1 | MadTBone: You tried todays daily om-devel build? |
| 04:33.33 | nullpuppy | yeah, i'm leaning the same way |
| 04:33.39 | sontek | what apps does it have? |
| 04:34.10 | nullpuppy | dailer, sms, contacts of course, also calc, calendar, note taking utility |
| 04:34.16 | nullpuppy | todo app |
| 04:34.20 | nullpuppy | thinks |
| 04:34.29 | nullpuppy | couple simple games |
| 04:34.44 | sontek | stephelton: did you find any debugging output at all when you were working your ringtone? |
| 04:34.55 | sontek | stephelton: I split out a wav from audacity and it doesn't play |
| 04:35.04 | sontek | nullpuppy: that sounds pretty nice, i'll check it out |
| 04:35.11 | sontek | nullpuppy: battery life isn't very good on 2007.2 |
| 04:35.19 | nullpuppy | sontek: yeah, i know |
| 04:35.21 | sontek | nullpuppy: it lasts about 8 hours if I don't use it to much |
| 04:35.34 | nullpuppy | sontek: yeah, i got about 9hrs today |
| 04:35.46 | MadTBone | dtx1: I'm flashing ASU version now... I may ditch it for today's 2007.2 |
| 04:35.56 | nullpuppy | i'm not confident its suspending properly either though |
| 04:36.03 | sontek | MadTBone: whats new in todays 2007.2? anything good? |
| 04:36.13 | MadTBone | dtx1: ....but I haven't tried either yet |
| 04:36.17 | dtx1 | ah |
| 04:36.48 | dtx1 | MadTBone: tell me how it goes. I don't have the guts to do it to mine. |
| 04:36.51 | dtx1 | :-P |
| 04:37.02 | sontek | nullpuppy: When I had power saving turned on, when it went into suspend I could no longer get calls until I rebooted |
| 04:37.22 | sontek | nullpuppy: it recieved the calls because it told me "15 missed calls" but it never rang or told me I missed them until I rebooted |
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| 04:38.08 | nullpuppy | sontek: :( thats no good |
| 04:38.20 | MadTBone | dtx1: actually.....I guess I did use daily....I did an opkg update && opkg upgrade in the last hour |
| 04:38.32 | sontek | so I just let it stay on all the time and make sure I have my charger close by :P |
| 04:38.32 | dtx1 | oh does that do it? |
| 04:38.39 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 04:39.04 | nullpuppy | wonder if I should hold off on messing with suspend stuff until rasterman makes that daemon thingy they were talking about in the ml |
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| 04:40.12 | MadTBone | sontek: depends on what you mean by "good" .... didn't see anything fancy, but probably had at least 1 bugfix....that's good |
| 04:42.29 | MadTBone | nullpuppy: which ml are you talking about? |
| 04:43.01 | sontek | i'm looking at the daily build directory, which one is qtopia? |
| 04:43.24 | MadTBone | sontek: it says qtopia |
| 04:43.31 | sontek | I only see asu and 2007.2, I think... qtopia-x11 is asu right? |
| 04:43.37 | nullpuppy | MadTBone: wish i could remember ;) i think it was probably devel, maybe kernel. pretty sure it wasn't community |
| 04:43.44 | sontek | I don't see a qtopia without x11 |
| 04:43.59 | MadTBone | sontek: right.... |
| 04:44.16 | MadTBone | sontek: qtopia runs on top of x11 |
| 04:44.26 | nullpuppy | sontek: the one your looking for is only available directly from qtopia.net |
| 04:44.31 | MadTBone | sontek: ohh....you want upstream |
| 04:44.47 | MadTBone | sontek: search wiki for "latest images" |
| 04:44.50 | dtx1 | ASU is running on X? |
| 04:45.08 | MadTBone | dtx1: yes |
| 04:45.46 | dtx1 | But regular Qtopia just runs right on frame buffer right? |
| 04:47.01 | MadTBone | dtx1: right |
| 04:47.13 | sontek | have you guys tried the scaredy cat images? sounds like he has a theme selector in his which is kind of cool |
| 04:48.06 | nullpuppy | nope |
| 04:48.17 | nullpuppy | i've wanted to try those out. where are they at? |
| 04:48.40 | sontek | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ |
| 04:49.00 | stephelton | sontek: as i mentioned, i foudn that restarting pulseaudio and then the xserver did the trick |
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| 04:49.25 | dtx1 | do I need to remove gtk+-dev and install gtk+-fastscaling? |
| 04:49.29 | sontek | stephelton: yeah, I restarted the whole phone |
| 04:49.35 | dtx1 | opkg upgrade complains about it |
| 04:49.58 | MadTBone | latest ASU image boots into X and gives "error loading module" ... anyone else get this? |
| 04:50.03 | stephelton | sontek: \= dunno what to tell you. does it playback fine on another machine? |
| 04:50.54 | sontek | stephelton: I can play it with totem but mpg123 can't play it |
| 04:51.15 | MadTBone | sontek and nullpuppy, scardey cat image last updated on the 10th... might not have latest fixes (gps w/ sd, etc...) .... could try pairing w/ normal daily kernel |
| 04:51.41 | nullpuppy | MadTBone: thats what i'm gonna do ;) |
| 04:51.52 | Openfree | i can't boot from SD-card with freerunner, it says can't find "/dev/mmcblk0p2" |
| 04:52.01 | dtx1 | Does anybody know why opkg upgrade is trying to install gtk+-fastscaling? |
| 04:52.08 | nullpuppy | anyone know how to set the led triggers? |
| 04:52.11 | dtx1 | Does it increase performance? |
| 04:52.20 | nullpuppy | root@om-gta02:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/gta02-power\:orange/ |
| 04:52.23 | nullpuppy | trigger |
| 04:52.26 | nullpuppy | [none] mmc0 nand-disk bat-charging-or-full bat-charging bat-full timer |
| 04:52.52 | nullpuppy | obviously echoing something there isn't likely to work |
| 04:52.58 | sontek | I wonder why the daily images don't have his theme selector script |
| 04:52.59 | Openfree | well i do have a second ext2 partion |
| 04:53.02 | sontek | thats a cool app to have on the phone |
| 04:53.09 | MadTBone | nullpuppy: echo 'nand-disk' > /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/gta02-power\:orange/ |
| 04:53.23 | sontek | when doing the qtopia image, what is "flash image" ? is that the kernel? |
| 04:53.45 | lpotter | sontek: ASU is not qtopia. qtopia can be dl from qtopia.net |
| 04:53.46 | MadTBone | nullpuppy: echo shouldn't work?? why not? |
| 04:54.07 | lpotter | flash image means jffs2, but I have included mwesters kernel as well |
| 04:54.12 | sontek | lpotter: yeah, i'm looking at installing from qtopia, but they have "flash image" and "rootfs" |
| 04:54.21 | nullpuppy | MadTBone: dunno, from the contents of trigger it looked like it wouldn't do much to echo into that file... |
| 04:54.34 | lpotter | rootfs is a tarball of the root filesystem |
| 04:54.45 | Dave | Hi Lpotter |
| 04:54.48 | Dave | Does Qtopia work yet? |
| 04:54.50 | lpotter | hi Dave |
| 04:55.04 | lpotter | Qtopia has worked since the first week I got a neo |
| 04:55.18 | MadTBone | nullpuppy: it sets it...but I don't know if it will respond properly... tried earlier w/ bat-charging-or-full ... didn't work |
| 04:55.27 | nullpuppy | MadTBone: ok |
| 04:55.29 | Dave | Lpotter is doesn't work well now |
| 04:55.32 | Dave | and has no packages |
| 04:55.42 | nullpuppy | thats what i wanted to do ;) guess i need to do some further digging |
| 04:55.47 | lpotter | what doesnt work well? |
| 04:55.48 | sontek | have you guys had much success with grps + t-mobile? |
| 04:55.59 | sontek | I tried the t-mobile scripts in the wiki but they didn't work |
| 04:56.12 | Dave | Lpotter the Internet settings in the configuration menu consistently crashes the phone for me. |
| 04:56.24 | lpotter | hmm, really |
| 04:56.29 | Dave | YES REALLY |
| 04:56.44 | Dave | if I push or select anything once in there the phone freezes and I need to hard reset |
| 04:57.04 | lpotter | well, any encrypted netwrok wil not work on neo;s just yet. there is a bug in wpa_supplicant |
| 04:57.13 | lpotter | hmm |
| 04:57.15 | Dave | I CAN'T EVEN GET THAT FAR |
| 04:57.23 | Dave | I can't do anything :P |
| 04:57.27 | Dave | It's flashy but crap :D |
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| 04:57.37 | Dave | \o\ Qtopia /o/ |
| 04:57.52 | dtx | lpotter: I'm running on a WEP wireless network |
| 04:57.55 | lpotter | just because internet settings crashes its crap? |
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| 04:58.10 | Dave | Lpotter the phone therefore has no connectivity. |
| 04:58.13 | Dave | Ergo, useless. |
| 04:58.27 | lpotter | which image are you using? |
| 04:58.48 | Dave | 4.3.2 |
| 04:59.06 | ikjh | Dave: You can still get connectivity through GSM, USB, Bluetooth, unencrypted wireless, WEP-encrypted wireless. |
| 04:59.18 | Dave | via ssh, sure |
| 04:59.45 | lpotter | i recently updated it 07172049 snap is the latest |
| 04:59.48 | Dave | So much for Qtopia's "complete" Inteface. |
| 04:59.59 | Dave | :) |
| 05:00.02 | lpotter | is not crashing for me |
| 05:00.10 | niklauz | FR ships w/ 2007.2 right? |
| 05:00.21 | walrustown_ | niklauz: yes |
| 05:00.51 | Dave | :( |
| 05:01.15 | sontek | is there a place to download 2007.2 themes? |
| 05:01.19 | MadTBone | lpotter: encrypted network can connect using iwconfig directly |
| 05:01.26 | ikjh | niklauz: Yes, 2007.2 built in April. |
| 05:01.28 | sontek | I'm hoping another theme has better sms interface |
| 05:01.35 | lpotter | not using wpa_supplicant |
| 05:01.49 | MadTBone | lpotter: no |
| 05:01.51 | lpotter | at least on my device |
| 05:02.13 | niklauz | i'm just wondering, whats does everbody like best? |
| 05:02.15 | Dave | whines at lpotter sobbing |
| 05:02.30 | lpotter | why should I be sobbing? |
| 05:02.34 | niklauz | the gtk-based seems like the best looking to me |
| 05:02.44 | lpotter | not qtopia's fault wpa_suppluicant does not work |
| 05:02.51 | Dave | stones lpotter with a barrage of freerunners. |
| 05:02.58 | SpeedEvil | prefers GTK |
| 05:03.21 | niklauz | Dave: may you please barrage me w/ freerunners? |
| 05:03.24 | dtx | strongly dislikes Qt |
| 05:03.26 | sontek | niklauz: I prefer 2007.2 for its home interface, but if you text a lot, its basically useless :P |
| 05:03.27 | ikjh | prefers an X server |
| 05:03.45 | sontek | niklauz: the SMS interface is very unusable, but everything else works well on it |
| 05:03.47 | dtx | meant to strongly dislike Qtopia |
| 05:03.49 | lpotter | i personally do not see how x server helps you in anyway on a phone |
| 05:03.50 | niklauz | it's the most far along at this point isn't it, and i understand the phone actually does work? |
| 05:04.04 | sontek | niklauz: I'm using the moko as my main phone |
| 05:04.23 | sontek | niklauz: it works just fine, but everyone you call will be annoyed because it echos back at them :P |
| 05:04.31 | niklauz | lol |
| 05:04.34 | ikjh | lpotter: There are about one zillion programs written as X clients, and the fact that my computer is small and can talk GSM doesn't change the fact that I want to run them. |
| 05:05.18 | niklauz | k, i have one more question, i've heard about gps problems so i'm wondering is there any advantage to waiting to get a different hardware revision? |
| 05:05.19 | MadTBone | sontek: I haven't gotten any echo complaints |
| 05:05.40 | sontek | MadTBone: everyone I call complains because they can hear themself |
| 05:06.07 | MadTBone | sontek: haven't heard it here... |
| 05:06.10 | niklauz | sontek: i think that could be a carrier issue. it happens on my bb(att) periodically |
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| 05:06.31 | MadTBone | sontek: yeah...I have att as well... |
| 05:06.37 | sontek | MadTBone: it hasn't happened on any other phone I own, but I have t-mobile |
| 05:06.56 | sontek | whoops, met to respond to niklauz :P |
| 05:07.20 | MadTBone | sontek: ocasional echo complaints w/ other devices....but none so far w/ FR....definately a carrier issue |
| 05:07.23 | MrShlee | Anyone know the answer to my 3D question? |
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| 05:07.51 | sontek | MadTBone: I have a blackberry pearl and a treo 650 and I don't have that issue, so its hard to believe its a carrier issue |
| 05:08.14 | MadTBone | MrShlee: what was the question? |
| 05:08.15 | thoughtjigs | anybody here working on the FSO |
| 05:08.43 | deque | has anyone run into problems running into problems running dfu-util and gotten errors like: "Starting download: [dfu_download error -71" |
| 05:09.10 | SpeedEvil | MrShlee: what isn't the problem is perhaps the more accurate question. |
| 05:09.16 | deque | ah |
| 05:09.30 | SpeedEvil | MrShlee: Slow bus - 7M/second shared with the SD card. |
| 05:09.39 | sontek | if my phone kernel panics how do I shut it down to update the rootfs? |
| 05:09.42 | SpeedEvil | MrShlee: it only really wants to work in QVGA mode - it's got a max size of 512*512 |
| 05:09.47 | sontek | I held power for 60 seconds and it didn't shutdown |
| 05:09.48 | SpeedEvil | Sonicadvance: pull abt |
| 05:09.53 | SpeedEvil | sonte: |
| 05:09.56 | SpeedEvil | bat |
| 05:10.21 | niklauz | wonders if SpeedEvil's keyboard is dying |
| 05:10.28 | thoughtjigs | I would like to try and run the latest FSO |
| 05:10.31 | MrShlee | <MrShlee> I need to inform some people - Whats the hassle with the 3d hardware? limited functionality? slow dataline? limited drivers? |
| 05:10.33 | SpeedEvil | MrShlee: and not really an especially capable 3D unit. Plus that 7M/s means you're using 100% CPU too. Using 3M/s uses 50% CPU |
| 05:10.48 | MrShlee | but thanks alot. |
| 05:10.48 | nullpuppy | huh |
| 05:10.49 | thoughtjigs | the tutorials seem to be out of date ... |
| 05:11.00 | MadTBone | MrShlee: who do you need to inform? |
| 05:11.08 | nullpuppy | i'm confused by steve's post on the community list re schematics... |
| 05:11.14 | nullpuppy | are they giving us both? already? |
| 05:11.21 | MrShlee | the Australian openmoko mailing list had a question regarding game ports.. |
| 05:11.36 | MrShlee | Just wanted to point people in the right direction. |
| 05:11.45 | MadTBone | MrShlee: ahh...gotcha |
| 05:12.30 | thoughtjigs | Any FSO people here? |
| 05:12.53 | MadTBone | thoughtjigs: I've used it a birt |
| 05:13.00 | MadTBone | s/birt/bit |
| 05:13.02 | niklauz | i tried to order my FR w/ the first available batch but my CC company messed it up, now i'm wondering if i should wait for a hw revision...thoughts? |
| 05:13.23 | MadTBone | niklauz: how long do you want to wait? |
| 05:13.56 | dtx | hehe |
| 05:13.58 | thoughtjigs | I used git to get the latest stuff and I am trying to get it to work on the FR but the tutorials seem to be out of date... |
| 05:14.01 | dtx | could be FOREVER!!! |
| 05:14.32 | niklauz | dtx: well i heard about gps problems that might be hw related, but it's a little unclear to me |
| 05:14.44 | niklauz | MadTBone: i don't really |
| 05:14.54 | sontek | is there any documentation on how to handle events like when a call is coming in? |
| 05:15.04 | MadTBone | thoughtjigs: ahh....git... haven't tried building FSO image |
| 05:15.07 | sontek | i'd like to replace whatever is handling ringtones right now with a little script I just wrote |
| 05:15.29 | thoughtjigs | any body tried to build an FSO image? |
| 05:15.39 | sontek | its in python and uses gstreamer to play audio instead, so now we can support mp3/ogg ringtones |
| 05:15.49 | MadTBone | sontek: then get it now...any hardware revision in the next few months won't improve things much... |
| 05:16.24 | MadTBone | sorry that was for niklauz |
| 05:16.47 | nullpuppy | alright, flashing to scaredycat |
| 05:17.11 | dtx | sontek: well the way you describe it, it just sounds like a pulseaudio event, so its probably just the pulse daemon |
| 05:17.22 | MadTBone | sontek: there's docummentation on the GSM modem interface....search wiki |
| 05:17.43 | niklauz | MadTBone: hah, i thoguht so :) |
| 05:18.33 | niklauz | how long did shipping take for everyone, it's too bad there isn't like a wiki/voting mechanism built into irc |
| 05:18.42 | niklauz | !shippingtimes |
| 05:18.46 | niklauz | meh |
| 05:19.37 | ikjh | niklauz: It took about a week for me, but half the time was waiting for them to send it. I think they were a bit overloaded at the beginning. |
| 05:19.37 | nullpuppy | niklauz: mine was shipped on a thursday and arrived the following monday |
| 05:19.49 | nullpuppy | ikjh: thats an understatement ;) |
| 05:20.05 | walrustown_ | anybody in here know what the deal is with /dev/input/event3 sometimes not workign? |
| 05:20.12 | sontek | niklauz: it took them a week to ship it, and then 3 days to get it |
| 05:21.03 | niklauz | sweet, i think i'll just wait to order this friday then |
| 05:21.48 | niklauz | can't wait, i'm probably just going to use it as a mini-tablet (a la ipod touch) until more stuff develops |
| 05:22.46 | dtx | sontek there appears to be a list of pulseaudio modules in /usr/lib/pulse-0.9/modules |
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| 05:23.14 | niklauz | does anyone on chan live in maryland btw? |
| 05:23.17 | dtx | you can probably write a pulseaudio extension to do that |
| 05:23.32 | dtx | I live in the same country |
| 05:23.34 | MadTBone | nullpuppy: how's that scaredy cat image? |
| 05:23.34 | dtx | :-P |
| 05:23.47 | nullpuppy | MadTBone: still flashing... ;) |
| 05:24.02 | MadTBone | nullpuppy: long live usb1 ??? |
| 05:24.15 | nullpuppy | MadTBone: yup! :/ |
| 05:25.05 | sontek | dtx: thanks for the info, i'll check it out |
| 05:25.13 | MadTBone | nullpuppy: I would'a gone with 1394 |
| 05:25.18 | niklauz | who will be the first to network numerous freerunners into a mobile cluster? |
| 05:25.28 | niklauz | i'm looking at you SpeedEvil |
| 05:25.30 | niklauz | ;) |
| 05:25.35 | dtx | I appreciate having this USB host/device mode |
| 05:25.41 | MadTBone | nullpuppy: you know.... for video editing .... |
| 05:25.55 | dtx | I plan on porting over gtkPod so I can mess with my wife's iPhone |
| 05:25.55 | dtx | haha |
| 05:25.58 | MadTBone | nullpuppy: .... on a 400MHz arm |
| 05:26.00 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 05:26.10 | nullpuppy | MadTBone: awesome idea ;) |
| 05:26.17 | nullpuppy | MadTBone: should go wtih firewire 800 ;) |
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| 05:26.30 | sontek | what is everyones favorite 2007.2 theme? |
| 05:26.33 | MadTBone | nullpuppy: nah.... that's just cwazy talk |
| 05:26.42 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 05:26.43 | dtx | there are different themes? |
| 05:27.22 | sontek | dtx: I guess so, scaredycat image has a theme selector |
| 05:28.04 | walrustown_ | anybody in here know what the deal is with /dev/input/event3 sometimes not working? |
| 05:28.46 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 05:28.49 | nullpuppy | interesting |
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| 05:29.03 | nullpuppy | flashed with scaredycat ... LOTS of empty flash notices |
| 05:29.12 | dtx | so is there a way to switch themes from the command line? |
| 05:29.22 | MadTBone | nullpuppy: flash notices? |
| 05:29.40 | sontek | is there any tools that sync evolution with 2007.2's PIM apps? |
| 05:29.44 | nullpuppy | or messages rather |
| 05:29.50 | nullpuppy | 'Empty flash at 0x ....' stuff |
| 05:30.03 | carrar | crap now after upgrading I can no longer connect to the phone via OSX |
| 05:30.17 | MadTBone | nullpuppy: does it boot? |
| 05:30.22 | dtx | sontek: the PIM apps store its information in .evolution folder so I would assume file copy could work? maybe? |
| 05:30.32 | nullpuppy | MadTBone: looks like it |
| 05:30.37 | nullpuppy | 59% atm |
| 05:31.06 | carrar | get some ((null)) interface |
| 05:32.23 | carrar | well that was fun while it lasted |
| 05:32.51 | dtx | carrar did you try to replace uboot also or something? |
| 05:32.56 | sontek | dtx: really? that'd be nice :P |
| 05:32.56 | carrar | no |
| 05:33.02 | carrar | just those two package update |
| 05:33.08 | carrar | per the getting started |
| 05:33.37 | dtx | carrar: that's odd |
| 05:33.46 | dtx | did you bring the interface up and everything? |
| 05:33.51 | carrar | pkg update, pkg upgrade |
| 05:33.54 | carrar | yeah |
| 05:33.57 | carrar | I was able to ssh in |
| 05:34.03 | carrar | work find |
| 05:34.03 | carrar | worked |
| 05:34.17 | dtx | carrar: can you setup wireless on it |
| 05:34.21 | carrar | no |
| 05:34.35 | carrar | just using the usb |
| 05:35.32 | dtx | you got an Ubuntu CD laying around? |
| 05:35.37 | dtx | :-P |
| 05:35.40 | carrar | no |
| 05:36.05 | carrar | just my OSX box |
| 05:36.09 | dtx | sorry, I have little experience with using my Mac box to do stuff like this |
| 05:36.24 | dtx | tried restarting? |
| 05:36.28 | carrar | well the osx instructions worked great |
| 05:36.35 | carrar | till after the upgrade |
| 05:36.46 | dtx | have you shutdown the phone and brought it back up? |
| 05:36.52 | carrar | man times |
| 05:36.53 | carrar | many |
| 05:37.16 | dtx | were you running opkg upgrade inside of 'screen'? |
| 05:37.20 | MadTBone | nullpuppy: thoughts? |
| 05:37.23 | carrar | no |
| 05:37.25 | dtx | are you sure it finished? |
| 05:37.29 | carrar | yes |
| 05:37.41 | carrar | per http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#The_Package_Contents |
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| 05:38.06 | dtx | Restart your Mac |
| 05:38.09 | nullpuppy | MadTBone: sorry, haven't looked at it yet, was booting, then got distracted by a video posted in another room |
| 05:38.09 | dtx | maybe |
| 05:38.19 | carrar | hahah thats about all I haven't tried :) |
| 05:38.20 | nullpuppy | http://www.vimeo.com/1366042?pg=embed&sec=1366042 |
| 05:38.25 | carrar | hell why not |
| 05:38.26 | nullpuppy | and the next one... |
| 05:38.31 | nullpuppy | that guy kind of pisses me off |
| 05:38.58 | MadTBone | nullpuppy: yeah....saw that earlier...I think he misses the point |
| 05:39.22 | nullpuppy | MadTBone: completely |
| 05:39.51 | nullpuppy | MadTBone: i think thats why that video annoys me so much |
| 05:39.51 | dtx | nullpuppy + MadTBone: while I do think he lacks any kind of tact, he does make some good points (and then completely misses several others) |
| 05:40.17 | kdubois | i cant see how you'd compare an in work project to a finished one... |
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| 05:40.38 | nullpuppy | dtx: sort of, except he's reviewing a UI that has been advertised as not ready for consumer use |
| 05:40.42 | MadTBone | dtx: you beat me to it....I was about to say that his criticisms are valid, but from the completely wrong vantage point |
| 05:40.44 | dtx | honestly I blame openmoko for calling this a production release |
| 05:40.45 | nullpuppy | kdubois: exactly |
| 05:40.54 | nullpuppy | dtx: yeah, true |
| 05:41.33 | kdubois | also, i'm very confused about where coding help is needed, so if anyone can point me in the right direction, i'd appreciate it |
| 05:41.36 | sontek | I thought all his complaints were valid, I have all the same complaints he does :P |
| 05:41.45 | dtx | I mean its great for geeks like us, but not for the general populace |
| 05:41.46 | sontek | but I didn't get it expecting it to be solid |
| 05:42.15 | dtx | sontek: I'd say everybody in this room was under the same assumption |
| 05:42.35 | dtx | having lurked in #openmoko for a long time now I knew pretty well what I was getting |
| 05:42.40 | sontek | but one of his complaints was his own fault, he installed matchbox on it |
| 05:42.45 | dtx | right |
| 05:42.48 | dtx | totally stupid |
| 05:43.01 | dtx | But I do hate the built in keyboard |
| 05:43.15 | dtx | especially pointless in terminal mode |
| 05:43.18 | dtx | there is no '/' |
| 05:43.26 | dtx | or '|' |
| 05:43.33 | sontek | yeap |
| 05:43.41 | sontek | The only keyboard I've found I like is the ASU one |
| 05:43.52 | nullpuppy | MadTBone: ok, scaredycat is prettier by far, but seems slower :/ |
| 05:44.32 | dtx | I'm gonna try and get an old finger keyboard concept going |
| 05:44.50 | carrar | hahah dtx |
| 05:44.53 | carrar | @#($!@(*# apple |
| 05:44.57 | carrar | that worked |
| 05:45.07 | dtx | well, yeah Apple is just another PC |
| 05:45.13 | carrar | PoS one |
| 05:45.16 | dtx | BSD / Darwin based |
| 05:45.20 | dtx | eh |
| 05:45.22 | carrar | time to go back to running FreeBSD as a desktop |
| 05:45.22 | dtx | beats Windows |
| 05:45.36 | sontek | nullpuppy: what theme does it have enabled by default? |
| 05:45.44 | sontek | I'm trying to find the themes to install them on mine right now |
| 05:46.00 | nullpuppy | sontek: dunno, its still grey and orange |
| 05:46.25 | nullpuppy | still looking around |
| 05:46.33 | sontek | what makes it prettier? |
| 05:46.37 | nullpuppy | hahaha, scummvm is on it! |
| 05:46.45 | carrar | ok back in |
| 05:46.46 | carrar | w00t! |
| 05:46.49 | nullpuppy | sontek: just the refined edges and what not |
| 05:46.55 | railer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/4/42/Today-running-arrows.png < how can I get my clock like in this picture? |
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| 05:47.45 | railer | sontek tell me how it works out, havn't tried that yet |
| 05:48.00 | dtx | This is an interesting concept: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5qDqE1DYl0 |
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| 05:55.41 | MadTBone | railer: the clock is one of the panel apps.... edit /etc/matchbox/session .... |
| 05:56.21 | MadTBone | railer: add openmoko-panel-clock in the --end-applets section |
| 05:56.39 | MadTBone | railer: you might have to install it first through opkg |
| 05:56.55 | railer | ok checking it out |
| 05:57.06 | railer | brb |
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| 06:00.01 | MadTBone | nullpuppy: anything else interesting in scardey cat? |
| 06:00.16 | dtx | off to bed |
| 06:00.18 | dtx | l8r |
| 06:00.28 | MadTBone | dtx: later |
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| 06:01.05 | nullpuppy | MadTBone: wallpaper changer, scummvm, theme selector (though haven't look at that one yet). |
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| 06:07.09 | jOERG_rw | <nullpuppy> are they giving us both? already? |
| 06:07.18 | jOERG_rw | nullpuppy: just wait and see ;-) |
| 06:07.26 | donomo | where can i change the background image on the home page? |
| 06:07.36 | donomo | is tired of the beach/rocks scene |
| 06:07.38 | nullpuppy | jOERG_rw: hehe, you tease |
| 06:07.39 | nullpuppy | ;) |
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| 06:09.07 | jOERG_rw | nullpuppy: remember http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-February/013277.html ??? |
| 06:09.10 | sontek | has anyone connected a bluetooth headset to your moko yet? |
| 06:09.16 | sontek | does it work? |
| 06:09.33 | nullpuppy | jOERG_rw: /me looks. i didn't subscribe to the ml's until recently |
| 06:09.51 | donomo | found it on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2 |
| 06:10.03 | jOERG_rw | nullpuppy: so you see where I'm coming from. Now I work at OM ;-) |
| 06:10.21 | nullpuppy | jOERG_rw: ooooh |
| 06:11.04 | nullpuppy | jOERG_rw: thats awesome. i'm kind of hoping i can find my way into the company eventually myself |
| 06:11.10 | nullpuppy | not ready quite yet though |
| 06:11.46 | jOERG_rw | nullpuppy: probably you'd be surprised... |
| 06:11.52 | niklauz | why is the texting application unusable? someone said that earlier.. |
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| 06:12.42 | nullpuppy | jOERG_rw: do you know where all the devs are located? |
| 06:12.51 | nullpuppy | i'm curious how spread out the company is |
| 06:13.03 | jOERG_rw | nullpuppy: not to get me wrong: I don't think they hired my because of the above mentioned post :-D |
| 06:13.12 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 06:13.12 | railer | my matchbox-panel is not found any guesses why? |
| 06:13.16 | carrar | holy cow thats a small capacitor on the SD slot (gps) |
| 06:13.19 | jOERG_rw | (located) more or less, yaeh |
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| 06:13.47 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 06:14.23 | jOERG_rw | carrar: XD look at the 0402 components then! |
| 06:14.43 | carrar | XD look? |
| 06:14.56 | jOERG_rw | XD = :-D |
| 06:15.04 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 06:15.19 | carrar | looking at the PDF at http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf |
| 06:15.25 | nullpuppy | ooh, clock in the panel is sooo much better |
| 06:15.30 | nullpuppy | now to hide the other clock |
| 06:15.36 | MadTBone | nullpuppy: did you use normal kernel w/ scaredy cat? od did you use scaredy cat kernel? |
| 06:15.53 | nullpuppy | MadTBone: i'm using the daily from 7/20 for the kernel |
| 06:16.06 | jOERG_rw | carrar: there are even 0201 components out there - thank god we don't use them |
| 06:16.47 | carrar | hahah http://articulationllc.home.comcast.net/~articulationllc/sm0402.htm |
| 06:16.58 | carrar | just shakes his head |
| 06:17.11 | carrar | that pic |
| 06:17.15 | carrar | insain |
| 06:17.33 | jOERG_rw | 0201 is half the size :-o |
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| 06:18.06 | nullpuppy | ... |
| 06:18.21 | nullpuppy | jOERG_rw: and one of the suggested fixes to the SD/GPS problem is soldering one of those!?! ;) |
| 06:18.25 | nullpuppy | thats insane |
| 06:18.27 | carrar | maybe I can find a shop to solder that in |
| 06:18.34 | nullpuppy | even for a skilled solderer |
| 06:18.44 | jOERG_rw | nope the suggested one is 0402 |
| 06:18.49 | carrar | I got a soldering iron but not that small |
| 06:19.01 | Dave | Joerg :D |
| 06:19.09 | nullpuppy | jOERG_rw: isn't that what carrar linked? |
| 06:19.49 | jOERG_rw | nah, don't even think aboout! I'm soldering for >40 years now, and those 0402 drive me nuts >:-/ |
| 06:19.57 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 06:20.06 | jOERG_rw | hi Dave! |
| 06:20.41 | Dave | Hei :) |
| 06:20.45 | carrar | whatever happen to looking at the color stripes on the resistors! |
| 06:21.02 | jOERG_rw | LOL forget it |
| 06:21.40 | railer | hey dave |
| 06:22.08 | jOERG_rw | err, maybe there even *are* whole books printed on them, alas I have no raster-electron microscope to check ;-) |
| 06:22.56 | railer | -sh: matchbox-panel: not found any help? |
| 06:24.52 | sontek | railer: are you trying to add the clock? |
| 06:25.05 | sontek | railer: its openmoko-panel-clock |
| 06:25.23 | nullpuppy | jOERG_rw: oh, you might know... how do you set the trigger events for the leds? |
| 06:25.35 | railer | ya sontek |
| 06:25.49 | carrar | be easier to buy a SD card with the capacitor in the card |
| 06:28.11 | nullpuppy | aww. removing the clock also removed the date :/ |
| 06:28.40 | jOERG_rw | nullpuppy: nah, I'm really just HW, not quite sure about this. Andy should know |
| 06:28.51 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 06:29.33 | sontek | so whats the whole in the bottom of the FR for? |
| 06:29.37 | sontek | makes me think of soap on a roap |
| 06:29.39 | sontek | rope* |
| 06:29.41 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 06:30.02 | nullpuppy | some description i read called it a lanyard hole or something like that |
| 06:30.43 | carrar | so no release of the GPS fix software? |
| 06:33.03 | jOERG_rw | carrar: it's already in "daily" |
| 06:33.24 | carrar | <- new |
| 06:33.41 | carrar | How do I get "daily" |
| 06:33.56 | nullpuppy | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080720/ |
| 06:34.05 | nullpuppy | download the uImage and flash it ;) |
| 06:34.26 | carrar | haha ok |
| 06:34.30 | carrar | hrmmf |
| 06:36.00 | carrar | there a doc for that? |
| 06:36.12 | nullpuppy | for flashing? |
| 06:36.17 | nullpuppy | yeah, on the getting started page |
| 06:36.51 | nullpuppy | basically, plug in usb, turn it off, then press aux, while holding aux, press power and wait until you get the uboot screen |
| 06:37.20 | nullpuppy | then in term, run ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-....bin |
| 06:37.23 | sontek | nullpuppy: did you check out any of the other themes on scaredycat? |
| 06:37.28 | nullpuppy | sontek: not yet |
| 06:37.33 | nullpuppy | i should do that |
| 06:37.59 | niklauz | is scaredycat a different image than the daily? |
| 06:38.11 | nullpuppy | niklauz: yes |
| 06:38.25 | nullpuppy | its a user-created release based off of 2007.2 |
| 06:38.43 | niklauz | OH!!!! thats great news! |
| 06:39.22 | niklauz | i hope he changes the name of the gtk-based build though, it doesn't really fit anymore |
| 06:40.08 | nullpuppy | actually, from what i saw, i think he has builds based of 2007.2 and ASU |
| 06:40.12 | nullpuppy | so.. *shrugs* |
| 06:41.33 | nullpuppy | and yeah, thouhg i the way the image is labeled is simpley Openmoko-scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-glibc... |
| 06:43.41 | niklauz | i'm sorry to sounds ignorant but do u mean he is combining the two or he has a community version of both? |
| 06:44.17 | nullpuppy | he has versions of both |
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| 06:45.37 | carrar | any other way to flash it without using dfu-util? |
| 06:45.54 | carrar | where is the source for that? |
| 06:46.05 | nullpuppy | not that i know of |
| 06:46.58 | carrar | Where is the source for dfu? |
| 06:47.54 | nullpuppy | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 06:48.07 | nullpuppy | that has all the relevant info and the link to dfu-util |
| 06:48.14 | carrar | but no source |
| 06:48.24 | carrar | so that I can compile dfu and run it |
| 06:48.30 | nullpuppy | ah, ok |
| 06:48.31 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 06:48.35 | carrar | since my OS is different |
| 06:51.06 | railer | MadTBone thanks I dont know why but the first time I read your post it made no sense, second time it was crystal clear |
| 06:51.22 | nullpuppy | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util |
| 06:51.24 | nullpuppy | there we go |
| 06:56.26 | niklauz | is wasn't able to find anything on teh scaredycat image, is there a webpage or anything? |
| 06:56.52 | nullpuppy | dunno. images are here: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ |
| 06:58.27 | tessier | I still haven't figured out whether I should re-flash my freerunner or not. |
| 06:58.34 | tessier | It still has the same image from the factory. opkg seems broken. |
| 06:58.54 | tessier | Hard to tell how much progress has been made to know if it is worth it yet. |
| 06:59.24 | niklauz | wowza, thats a lotta images :) |
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| 07:00.30 | niklauz | i want to organize that sooo bad |
| 07:00.32 | niklauz | shakes head |
| 07:01.29 | nullpuppy | tessier: in the 6 days i've had my phone, i've probably flashed mine about 10 times so far ;) |
| 07:01.47 | tessier | nullpuppy: Has it improved anything? |
| 07:02.29 | nullpuppy | tessier: battery life is consistently improving by little bits |
| 07:02.42 | nullpuppy | gps support w/ sd card inserted has improved |
| 07:03.18 | nullpuppy | those are the main things. there is probably some other stuff that i'm not seeing or noticing though |
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| 07:03.42 | nullpuppy | speaking of which, i still need to send a message on the ml requesting some sort of changelog with the daily builds |
| 07:04.01 | nullpuppy | i don't care how brief, i just want to know roughly what changed. |
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| 07:06.13 | nullpuppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.14 | malik1972 | nullpuppy: that makes sense! |
| 07:06.32 | nullpuppy | pandora just freaked out and started playing two songs at once |
| 07:06.38 | nullpuppy | malik1972: hehe, doesn't it though? |
| 07:07.39 | cb22_ | cries a little inside |
| 07:07.41 | MadTBone | opkg update gives error "could not obtain administrative lock" |
| 07:07.42 | malik1972 | nullpuppy: at least from time to time one should know what is going on, fixed issue x, better performance with y, added application z |
| 07:08.31 | cb22_ | i left digg because the comments started to look like they came from people whose idea of funny was a cat with a caption under it |
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| 07:09.24 | nullpuppy | malik1972: yeah |
| 07:09.39 | nullpuppy | malik1972: would definately be useful for testers looking to test a particular fix too |
| 07:11.51 | malik1972 | nullpuppy: testing: i was back to 2007.2 and as this is not maintained i think i will go back to asu or whatever (holding qtopia 4.x in nand) |
| 07:12.24 | niklauz | im surprised OM isn't more open, i would have thought they would be more like neuros, which has managed in this area beautifully |
| 07:13.08 | nullpuppy | niklauz: how so? |
| 07:15.56 | sontek | is the only reason my phone doesn't charge via usb because it only puts out 100ma? |
| 07:16.04 | niklauz | just coordinating community effort cohensively, communicating when they can, and saying they can't when they can't |
| 07:16.16 | nullpuppy | niklauz: ah. |
| 07:16.19 | sontek | the barry project (for blackberry's) has a tool called bcharge the increases the power pushed out to 500ma |
| 07:16.22 | nullpuppy | ok, yeah, i can see that |
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| 07:16.46 | niklauz | neuros, for example actually holds many of their business meetings on irc, i've attended some it creates a kind of excitement |
| 07:16.51 | nullpuppy | niklauz: though, i think they've done an alright job. i think their problem is lack the manpower |
| 07:16.58 | niklauz | you get to know the people involved and appreciate the work to be done |
| 07:17.51 | niklauz | nullpuppy: you may be right, but the two of us are communicating well and we only have one person to speak for us each |
| 07:18.40 | nullpuppy | yeah |
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| 07:18.50 | sontek | is there plans of making use of the accelerometers? |
| 07:19.03 | sontek | I haven't found any apps that switch to wide screen when rotating |
| 07:19.07 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 07:19.20 | nullpuppy | sontek: theres a GSoC project using them for gesture based input |
| 07:19.35 | nullpuppy | beyond that, there are lots of ideas, don't think much has been implemented yet though |
| 07:20.01 | sontek | I think the only use I want is rotating for text messaging so I can have a full qwerty keyboard |
| 07:20.23 | nullpuppy | sontek: yeah, taht would be awesome |
| 07:21.00 | niklauz | nullpuppy: it's kinda a new area so i wouldn't expect them to get it right, but others have sort of shown the way, thats why i am a little disapointed |
| 07:21.18 | sontek | have you guys setup the tool chain before? is there a way to keep it in its own folder and setup the environment to know how to use it? rather than extracting it to root? |
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| 07:21.59 | sontek | I'm going to work on fixing the ringtone stuff to support mp3 and ogg, and not require pa/x restart to change ringtone |
| 07:22.10 | niklauz | is it possible to flash the phone from the phone? |
| 07:22.43 | nullpuppy | niklauz: dunno, maybe? |
| 07:23.15 | niklauz | i read that u-boot is like the bios and grub :) so maybe so |
| 07:23.42 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:25.32 | jOERG_zzZZzz | niklauz: technically it's no problem. we need the CPU to read from USB and flash NAND. So CPU can read other source than USB |
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| 07:26.13 | jOERG_zzZZzz | away again |
| 07:27.59 | Dave | :) |
| 07:28.04 | MadTBone | anyone using ASU done a opkg upgrade lately? |
| 07:28.14 | niklauz | ty jOERG_zzZZzz i hope i didn't disturb your rest |
| 07:28.19 | niklauz | ;) |
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| 07:30.19 | niklauz | something else i was wondering about, is it currently possible or planned/expected to be able to use the neo as a gprs-to-802.11 access point? do u know what i mean? |
| 07:31.27 | nullpuppy | don't know if its currently possible. i know people have discussed things similar to that |
| 07:32.11 | MadTBone | is there a tracker for ASU? |
| 07:32.23 | niklauz | there are some exciting possibilities here |
| 07:33.05 | railer | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=letter&g=a this seems to be the opgk list? |
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| 07:34.19 | niklauz | railer: the FR is arm9, but that isn't listed...? |
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| 07:35.30 | railer | it seems to have the majority |
| 07:36.23 | railer | and relatively organized with search, it has openmoko |
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| 07:37.28 | niklauz | aye, i see |
| 07:37.46 | Stroller | niklauz: gprs-to-802.11 access point should be pretty trivial, although you have to use Ad-Hoc mode, mot master |
| 07:38.51 | niklauz | Stroller: so set up a normal linux net-bridge? |
| 07:39.18 | Stroller | I was thinking to NAT the interfaces |
| 07:39.21 | MrShlee | I wonder if the FR could host-ap ;) |
| 07:39.25 | niklauz | is the FR device not capable of master mode? |
| 07:39.49 | Stroller | Not sure about bridging on PPP-type interfaces, although I guess it must be possible |
| 07:39.56 | Stroller | niklauz: Nope. :( |
| 07:40.14 | Stroller | A restriction of the wifi card. Which has a closed firmware. |
| 07:40.29 | niklauz | o ok, it's always something |
| 07:40.58 | niklauz | such a shame, i didn't think master mode was a hardware capability... |
| 07:41.06 | Stroller | Oh, yes |
| 07:41.09 | Stroller | It is |
| 07:41.21 | niklauz | aren't you saying it's a firmware ability/ |
| 07:41.35 | Stroller | Depending on your definition of hardware, I guess |
| 07:41.48 | BobOfDoom | I guess you could wire a regular AP up to some batteries and connect the FR to it in managed mode if you really wanted gprs-802.11 bridge with multiple clients, chunkier though |
| 07:41.58 | cozub | MadTBone: something like http://trac.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example/report ? |
| 07:43.27 | niklauz | if the hardware is capable but firmware prevents it then i wouldn't blame the hardware |
| 07:44.07 | niklauz | BobOfDoom: whaaaaaa!?!? |
| 07:44.09 | Stroller | Well, niklauz, a wireless card is nothing but a 2.4ghz radio |
| 07:44.09 | niklauz | lol |
| 07:45.00 | BobOfDoom | or you might even be able to find a USB 802.11 dongle that can go in master mode :p |
| 07:45.01 | Stroller | And it needs the firmware do stuff like convert 1s and 0s into radio waves |
| 07:45.30 | niklauz | Stroller: ya of course. its another of how closed software creates limits, you would think in hardware this open you wouldn't encounter the limits so easily but there they are |
| 07:45.52 | Stroller | Traditionally that sort of stuff was burned into the hardware |
| 07:46.04 | Stroller | Like Postscript on a LaserJet 4 |
| 07:47.06 | niklauz | Stroller: o ok, im not really familiar w/ which parts are volatile and which arent |
| 07:47.20 | Stroller | Nowadays it can be changed, but at some point one's likely to say "this was supplied by the manufacturer of the chip, it's the way they intended it to work, we can't really dig into that" |
| 07:48.06 | niklauz | Stroller: o ok, yes thats true but i also know that my wrt running retro-fitted linux firmware rulez |
| 07:48.07 | Stroller | niklauz: well, there are one or two wireless projects that did indeed rewrite the firmware |
| 07:48.18 | Stroller | (or are in the process) |
| 07:48.35 | Stroller | niklauz: ah! but that's at a higher level, I think |
| 07:48.40 | niklauz | Stroller: u mean for this chip or others? |
| 07:48.48 | Stroller | No, for other chips |
| 07:48.54 | Stroller | I think prism54 have |
| 07:48.57 | niklauz | Stroller: oh now that you mention it i realized you are right |
| 07:49.13 | Stroller | And maybe for a different Atheros chip |
| 07:49.33 | niklauz | hmm, ok so on this one the master-mode restriction is hw-burned? |
| 07:49.34 | Stroller | But those have been created fully by reverse engineering |
| 07:49.50 | Stroller | niklauz: nearly, but not quite |
| 07:49.54 | Stroller | (AIUI) |
| 07:50.11 | Stroller | usually you either upload the firmware blob on power-up |
| 07:50.35 | Stroller | or I guess you might have some other way or reflashing it |
| 07:50.51 | Stroller | Now, I know that "firmware blob" sounds like software |
| 07:52.05 | Stroller | But traditionally you have chip specs that say "apply 1 to pin 9, apply 0 to pin 10, apply 1 to pin 11, apply 0 to pin 12" and this does X. |
| 07:52.33 | Stroller | The firmware for wireless cards is merely the stuff that allows them to do that. |
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| 07:53.32 | niklauz | lol ok so this is not a short-term acheivable :) |
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| 08:19.46 | walrustown_ | wow, the bus to the glamo is *slow* |
| 08:20.58 | MadTBone | walrustown_: are you running ASU? |
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| 08:22.17 | walrustown_ | Nope, I'm running SDL on X11 |
| 08:22.36 | walrustown_ | I've got that marble game started :) |
| 08:23.28 | MadTBone | walrustown_: ahh...how's it comming? |
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| 08:23.48 | walrustown_ | Well, it displays a marble on the screen, and tilting the phone makes the marble roll |
| 08:24.23 | railer | walrustown, what language |
| 08:24.26 | walrustown_ | C++ |
| 08:24.33 | MadTBone | walrustown_: well, those are the basics... that alone is pretty cool |
| 08:24.43 | walrustown_ | yeah I'm having a blast just rolling my marble around |
| 08:24.43 | railer | how many lines of code so far? |
| 08:24.50 | walrustown_ | hmm lemme see |
| 08:25.01 | Error323 | How is that 3D chip working? I've heard the bandwidth is very slow, are you guys experiencing problems because of that? (An almost Freerunner buyer) |
| 08:25.28 | walrustown_ | 924 lines |
| 08:25.39 | railer | wow |
| 08:25.47 | walrustown_ | Error323: I have to be *very* careful what I blit if I want a decent framerate |
| 08:25.57 | railer | running it on the FR or emulator? |
| 08:26.01 | walrustown_ | FR |
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| 08:26.42 | railer | holidays coming hoping to buld some card games |
| 08:26.47 | Error323 | walrustown_: but a decent 3D app is possible with it? |
| 08:27.22 | walrustown_ | Error323: I don't know. Apparently the advanced features of the glamo (3d accel) chip are under a tight NDA |
| 08:27.26 | MadTBone | Error323: max target size for 3d chip is 512x512 |
| 08:27.27 | walrustown_ | Error323: so I don't really know what it can do |
| 08:27.29 | goldenhawk | I just found a bizzare bug on my phone @.@ When I'm using my matchbox-keyboard or my bluetooth keyboard, and I have USB connected, a bunch of the keys get messed up. |
| 08:27.35 | goldenhawk | Like 0 comes out as } |
| 08:27.39 | goldenhawk | And I can't type a capital m |
| 08:27.43 | Elleo | i didn't think a driver had been written that supports the 3D features |
| 08:27.58 | Error323 | hmm i c |
| 08:28.11 | railer | goldenhawk thats kind normal happened to me to |
| 08:28.12 | Error323 | yes there were some problems with the openness of it i read somewhere? |
| 08:28.13 | Elleo | but my info could be out of date |
| 08:28.25 | goldenhawk | railer: Is this a known thing? |
| 08:28.33 | MadTBone | Error323: are you planning on developing? |
| 08:28.33 | railer | I think so |
| 08:28.47 | railer | I switched kb finally |
| 08:29.20 | ko_dez | It sounded to me as if pretty much anyone could get the documentation trough NDA, and release drivers, but I can't remember if the released drivers could be open source. |
| 08:29.22 | Error323 | MadTBone: yes, well i've been doing some 3d programming in ogl/c++ and i'd like to play around with it. |
| 08:29.38 | Error323 | MadTBone: but I've been hearing some disturbing facts |
| 08:29.47 | goldenhawk | The weird thing is it's only when my USB is connected. I take it out, it goes away. I plug it back in and it comes back. |
| 08:30.00 | walrustown_ | Error323: I don't know how to use the 3D part of the glamo -- AFAIK all you can do right now is blit |
| 08:30.07 | ko_dez | Someone has managed to exploit the glamo for video decoding at least, so there are some things you can use it for. mpeg4 i believe it was. |
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| 08:30.45 | emdete | about the glamo: as far as i knowyou can release drivers on the know-how from the docs. just the docs are closed - if someone from om would explain how the glamo works you may write & release. |
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| 08:31.26 | Error323 | walrustown_: i c. I |
| 08:31.30 | ko_dez | emdete: right. I hope someone with the know-how does that =) |
| 08:31.35 | emdete | and you may get wince source code. also the glamo x driver is there |
| 08:31.52 | emdete | ko_dez: someone under the nda. yes. i hope that too |
| 08:32.16 | ko_dez | emdete: that source code should be helpful at least. |
| 08:32.20 | emdete | but everything yuo derive from that may or may not be free |
| 08:32.27 | Error323 | It's so sad that that power dcan't be released yet :( |
| 08:32.31 | ko_dez | true. |
| 08:32.38 | emdete | ko_dez: ask roh... maybe he can help |
| 08:33.20 | ko_dez | emdete: I have nothing to contribute on this matter I am afraid. |
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| 08:35.12 | balrog-kun | emdete: afaik om is allowed to release code based on the wince driver on whatever license we want |
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| 08:35.51 | balrog-kun | according to harald at least |
| 08:36.07 | railer | anyone know where the vcards a kept? |
| 08:36.39 | Error323 | Can you guys convince me into buying one? ^_^ |
| 08:37.07 | railer | Well what do you want? |
| 08:37.23 | MadTBone | railer: what image are you using? |
| 08:37.35 | railer | 2007 |
| 08:37.43 | railer | damn |
| 08:37.56 | railer | not qtopia |
| 08:38.08 | railer | I rmemeber the name! |
| 08:38.09 | MadTBone | k...look in ~/.evolution or something like that |
| 08:38.32 | railer | it 2:30 am brain locked |
| 08:38.46 | railer | standard one |
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| 08:39.13 | emdete | balrog-kun: exact. based on anything they know |
| 08:39.19 | MadTBone | railer: mountain time.... |
| 08:39.28 | railer | yes |
| 08:39.32 | railer | Edmonton |
| 08:39.41 | Error323 | I wanna play with it, program for it |
| 08:40.07 | emdete | Error323: the neo is one of the finest toys i ever had. yes, if you are a developer, go ahead. if you want to do a phone call dont |
| 08:40.12 | railer | I'm the only person in Edmonton with this that in itself makes it a good buy |
| 08:40.35 | MadTBone | emdete: I can call quite easily |
| 08:40.52 | emdete | MadTBone: :D stable? do u use it every day? no other phone? |
| 08:41.23 | MadTBone | emdete: for the last 4 days or so, yes |
| 08:41.26 | railer | I made several call today, nice sound, fun games, and it's not an iphone, or crackberry |
| 08:41.41 | emdete | MadTBone: you phone batt stays on for 4 dayes? wow... |
| 08:42.02 | MadTBone | emdete: uhh... there's a charger in the box.... |
| 08:42.31 | railer | the stylist is a pen , laser pointer and a flash light as well |
| 08:42.49 | emdete | what i wanted to say is just the good old "some assembly required". some people think it may replace a phone today... |
| 08:43.07 | Error323 | hehe i c. I'm a developer, but is its framework, the base stable? Like you don't have to rewrite ur code every time you upgrade the kernel or sth? I guess I wanna know how far the base development is I'm not good enough to develop on that stuff, just third party programs I guess. |
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| 08:43.39 | railer | there is a shitload of assembly required! You want a wuss phone get a iphone |
| 08:43.53 | emdete | railer: treu |
| 08:44.11 | emdete | railer: but that makes all the fun - for some people |
| 08:44.12 | MadTBone | it certainly isn't ready for prime time.... |
| 08:44.37 | railer | it's totally fun |
| 08:45.08 | MadTBone | Error323: the real work is being done right now with FSO image.... |
| 08:45.15 | railer | it's like getting to play with linux all over again |
| 08:45.49 | MadTBone | Error323: it will provide a consistent, standardized base to build apps on |
| 08:46.12 | railer | it's like building your own web/mail server, you could just go with who ever server guy but seriously what's the fun in that |
| 08:46.59 | railer | and to be honest, this phone is way easier then setting up a web server |
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| 08:47.17 | Error323 | I see |
| 08:47.47 | emdete | yes, if you ever tried to write programs for other phones, even the greenphone you really understand "free your phone" with the neo :D |
| 08:48.02 | Error323 | Never did :) |
| 08:48.21 | emdete | okay, maybe you should do that first ;) |
| 08:48.22 | railer | 2 days, phone, sms, wifi, data, gps, 20 + games, 2 calculators, maps, |
| 08:48.42 | MadTBone | I'm really surprised that no one else has commented on the recent ASU breakage... does no one else get "error loading module" when X starts in ASU? |
| 08:49.10 | railer | 2 browsers, but the browsers suck |
| 08:49.55 | railer | and a command line interface on your PHONE, I mean come on! how cool is that! |
| 08:50.33 | MadTBone | railer: what I like is that I can ssh into my servers from my phone. now that's cool |
| 08:51.09 | railer | never thought of that, good point |
| 08:51.15 | MadTBone | railer: even though typing is painful on the current keyboards |
| 08:52.03 | railer | I got the full kb much easier, going blind but much easier, but there is some usb kb that work on it I think |
| 08:53.33 | Mirv | since I can't find anything proper / up-to-date on the mailing lists, has anyone figured out how to make the echo on receiver's end go away? Mono Sidetone playback / Mono 2 Mux tips from ticket 1267 do not help here |
| 08:53.36 | railer | where is the vcards again? |
| 08:54.04 | Error323 | I guess the real question for me is: Will this be *the* phone that is 'given' to the public, or will it be the second developer/test version? If the former then I'll order one now because it would be just a matter of time to get stable and there will be no reason to wait. If the latter I'd be kind of annoyed since I'd have to buy the new one when that comes out which has improved hw. |
| 08:54.13 | MadTBone | we need a full screen landscape keyboard, with reduced keyset displaying at any given time....make full alpha plus some common symbols with keys as large as possible.... |
| 08:54.32 | Mirv | railer: guide, you mean? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts , linked to from getting started |
| 08:54.40 | walrustown_ | Error323: the freerunner has at least one known HW bug |
| 08:54.56 | Mirv | walrustown_: hmm, GPS is fixed in all that are orderable now? |
| 08:54.57 | railer | error323, it's a tough call, but my guess is no\ |
| 08:55.11 | walrustown_ | Mirv: really? with the 10pf cap fix? |
| 08:55.17 | Error323 | walrustown_: what is it? |
| 08:55.19 | Error323 | railer: :( |
| 08:55.22 | Mirv | walrustown_: well that's what was said on the mailing lists |
| 08:55.33 | walrustown_ | Error323: the GPS didn't work well if you have a MicroSD card in |
| 08:55.36 | Mirv | Error323: the GPS thing I just mentioned that should be fixed in all phones orderable now |
| 08:55.48 | walrustown_ | Why didn't I wait two weeks to order my phone? |
| 08:55.58 | Mirv | there was a post that said "what do you think we've been doing here" (to a question if future shipped phones will be fixed) |
| 08:56.02 | railer | reading brb |
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| 08:56.52 | MadTBone | Error323: I'd say that this iteration of the hardware won't gain acceptance beyond those who really understand what's possible with a free phone... the next iteration *might* |
| 08:56.55 | Mirv | Error323: the hw is "ready", but there will probably be a sligthly improved model anyway before the software is ready consumer-ready, or that's my guess. but FreeRunner will be usable as a consumer phone when the sw is ready |
| 08:56.56 | railer | this is ver2, my guess public ready ver 4, in 18 months |
| 08:57.29 | MadTBone | railer: I agree |
| 08:57.33 | Mirv | I'd be happy to use FR as a phone if I got the correct mixer settings... |
| 08:57.39 | Error323 | hmmm... |
| 08:57.56 | Mirv | (well, I'm using it anyway but have to apogolize to receivers about the sound quality) |
| 08:57.58 | Error323 | That's why I have doubt :/ |
| 08:58.21 | zedstar_ | id imagine a new form factor in the next version also |
| 08:58.26 | MadTBone | Mirv: I get great call quality |
| 08:58.54 | Mirv | Error323: if you're eager to get a free phone, you probably can't wait for the next model, and this one will be ok already, but if you don't care about waiting again half a year or more, there will be GTA03 with EDGE support and slightly improved performance (glamo away) |
| 08:59.00 | MadTBone | Mirv: what problems are you having w/ audio |
| 08:59.01 | Error323 | So currently they still are fixing bugs in the freerunner model on different shipments? |
| 08:59.05 | Mirv | zedstar_: afaik no, GTA03 is like GTA02 but without glamo and with EDGE |
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| 08:59.25 | Mirv | MadTBone: the receiver hears everything she says aloud, ie. that echo thing |
| 08:59.38 | Mirv | MadTBone: the receiver also hears quite a lot of noise |
| 08:59.49 | zedstar_ | mirv: ah okay +1 verion on that then :) |
| 08:59.56 | Mirv | zedstar_: yep :) |
| 09:00.11 | MadTBone | Mirv: hmm...I'm seeing quite a few similar reports...but I've never had a complaint |
| 09:00.13 | zedstar_ | mirv: i thought gta03 was the Dash GPS thing? |
| 09:00.15 | Mirv | Error323: well the first shipment had the GPS bug, but no others are known I think |
| 09:00.35 | Mirv | MadTBone: are you using out-of-the-box 2007.2 or something else? I flashed daily 2007.2 which might be the reason |
| 09:00.51 | Mirv | zedstar_: dunno about that, I only remember the removal of glamo and addition of EDGE |
| 09:01.35 | Error323 | Mirv: I hate waiting, but I reaaaaally want it to be stable hardware since I'd be truely sad when ordering it and the next week a bug is found and my phone would be out dated. |
| 09:01.42 | MadTBone | Error323: was using 2007.2 daily from 7/15 ... now I'm trying ASU |
| 09:02.08 | MadTBone | Error323: oh...the hardware seems stable... |
| 09:02.25 | railer | error give it a month, the worry is it might be sold out |
| 09:02.27 | balrog-kun | Error323: no hardware is ever perfectly stable :p |
| 09:02.34 | balrog-kun | each bugfix can introduce a new bug |
| 09:02.39 | MadTBone | sorry that 2nd to last was for Mirv , not Error323 |
| 09:02.45 | Mirv | Error323: well with the GPS bug fixed, I already have succesfully used every function of the device. but indeed, if you give it another month you should by then have heard if there is something more besides the GPS bug |
| 09:02.49 | Mirv | MadTBone: ok... |
| 09:03.09 | balrog-kun | the gta03 is said to have a siemens modem, no glamo, one accelerometer iirc |
| 09:03.40 | Error323 | balrog-kun: when will it be comming out? |
| 09:03.40 | railer | true, how many bought the original iphone less than a year ago, there's a burn for you |
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| 09:04.53 | Error323 | Ok I'll wait another month, been tracing the project for almost a year now I guess I can take another month.. |
| 09:04.56 | balrog-kun | Error323: ;) |
| 09:05.06 | Error323 | heh |
| 09:05.26 | railer | maybe by then the wiki will be more organized :( |
| 09:05.35 | MadTBone | ... you know... I have to say that they really should go with a capacitive touch screen in the upcoming versions... |
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| 09:07.11 | MadTBone | ... this touchscreen experience is frustrating at times because of lack of sensitivity. |
| 09:07.30 | MadTBone | ....perhaps that's not the right way to phrase it. |
| 09:07.52 | MadTBone | inconsistent sensitivity? |
| 09:07.56 | Error323 | o_O |
| 09:08.18 | Error323 | you mean it fails sometimes? |
| 09:09.07 | MadTBone | Error323: no...it's just that it's not as sensitive if you use very light pressure. |
| 09:09.14 | railer | I never had if fail |
| 09:10.02 | MadTBone | Error323: like....I want it to register a touch when I can barely feel the screen.... |
| 09:10.54 | kd8ikt | good morning |
| 09:11.22 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: holy crap....I think I was here when you went to sleep.... |
| 09:11.38 | Error323 | MadTBone: LOL |
| 09:11.41 | kd8ikt | that was like at 12 its now 5AM |
| 09:11.42 | Error323 | and ic |
| 09:11.42 | MadTBone | I should probably get some shut eye |
| 09:11.43 | railer | I'm beat |
| 09:11.51 | railer | me too |
| 09:11.59 | Error323 | I guess the freerunner being addictive is a good sign =) |
| 09:11.59 | kd8ikt | some butt head called me at 5 in the morning and woke me up |
| 09:12.04 | railer | what time at your place mad? |
| 09:13.09 | Error323 | where can I find a list of requested changes and confirmed changes for the upcomming version of the phone? |
| 09:13.10 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: so....of course...the first thing you do after slamming the phone down is get on #openmoko and start flashing the latest daily.... |
| 09:13.25 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: ....and there's nothing wrong with that..... |
| 09:13.28 | Error323 | lol |
| 09:13.46 | kd8ikt | well not exactly wget http://www.ginguppin.de/files/minimo.tar.bz2 |
| 09:13.46 | kd8ikt | tar jvxf minimo.tar.bz2 |
| 09:13.59 | kd8ikt | i installed minimo |
| 09:14.02 | MadTBone | ahhhh.....minimo |
| 09:14.10 | MadTBone | how's it run? |
| 09:14.11 | sontek | is there a way to use ASU apps in 2007.2? |
| 09:14.17 | sontek | I'd like to use ASU keyboard |
| 09:14.49 | MadTBone | sontek: I don't know if 2007.2 can do QT |
| 09:14.50 | kd8ikt | great, its a bit of a resource hog though so dont expect to run like 3 other apps and have good response |
| 09:15.11 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: are you on ASU? |
| 09:15.33 | kd8ikt | no never tried any firmware besides om 2007.2 |
| 09:15.50 | sontek | is the home/launcher section of ASU the final? or will the UI be re-worked a bit? |
| 09:16.07 | sontek | I like ASU's sms interface but the home section isn't very good compared to 2007.2 |
| 09:16.27 | sontek | i'm going to image with qtopia right now to see how well it works |
| 09:16.30 | MadTBone | sontek: final? I don't think that exists.... |
| 09:16.35 | kd8ikt | sontek: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
| 09:16.45 | kd8ikt | top 3 are mine |
| 09:17.30 | MadTBone | sontek: you're currently in ASU or 2007? |
| 09:18.20 | kd8ikt | and who really cares about the home screen? |
| 09:18.20 | sontek | MadTBone: 2007, but probably going to run ASU as my main just because SMS is so bad in 2007 |
| 09:19.07 | kd8ikt | lol sms is lame |
| 09:19.09 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: I do...I can't remember what I have to do each day w/o looking at my schedule a dozen times... |
| 09:19.30 | MadTBone | so events on home help a lot! |
| 09:20.29 | sontek | I think 90% of the time i'm texting when using my phone |
| 09:20.32 | MadTBone | sontek: you might want to go w/ ASU from 7/19 or 7/18 .... 7/20 seems broken (but I think 7/18's keyboard is borked...) |
| 09:20.53 | kd8ikt | i could use an irc client on my phone |
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| 09:21.02 | kd8ikt | that'd be neat |
| 09:21.06 | sontek | MadTBone: good to know, i'm wgetting 7/20 right now :P i'll check out an earlier version |
| 09:21.17 | Mirv | ok proper mixer settings found at http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=170&start=75#p3277 |
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| 09:22.39 | MadTBone | ok....I'm out...'night everyone... |
| 09:23.06 | Error323 | cu gnite |
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| 09:23.21 | kd8ikt | bah |
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| 09:24.05 | Error323 | kd8ikt: just ssh to your server with irssi on it? :P |
| 09:24.14 | sontek | ok, I asked this earlier bug thennran out so I didn't see the replies... what do I do with the flash image for qtopia? do I need it? or do I just need the rootfs image |
| 09:24.56 | sontek | heh, i'm going through screenshots on scap, looks like someone ported pidgin over |
| 09:27.09 | polz | I remember seeing some photos of a neo with a bunch of cables and an USB hub in some mail on the mailing lists |
| 09:27.11 | Error323 | it looks like that a 480x640 screenshot of a desktop, i'm seeing xfce? |
| 09:27.26 | polz | does anyone remember where I can get that ? |
| 09:27.48 | polz | s/that/them/ |
| 09:28.56 | Error323 | test subst |
| 09:29.02 | Error323 | s/test/xxx |
| 09:29.07 | Error323 | s/test/xxx/ |
| 09:29.13 | Error323 | lol |
| 09:29.24 | Error323 | ^_^ |
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| 09:36.42 | realityjumper | lo |
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| 09:41.04 | kd8ikt | hi |
| 09:45.55 | sontek | what is the flash image for qtopia? |
| 09:46.10 | sontek | do I need it? or is the rootfs image enough? |
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| 09:50.13 | kd8ikt | ugh my understanding is they both can use the same kernel? but its the jffs rootfs that has to be flashed |
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| 09:54.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r1d1ab1a57d44 10/src/libraries/qtopia/qsoftmenubar.cpp: Revert "Revert "Revert "Place the QMenu relative to the widget for X11/Illume""" |
| 09:54.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * rad84ffff75f8 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/ (5 files): [predictivekeyboard] Make it link with Qt/X11 by providing stubs for QWSInputMethod and QWSServer |
| 09:54.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r84b918ef208b 10/src/general.pri: [predictivekeyboard] Add the predictive keyboard to the build for x11 and non-x11 |
| 09:54.51 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r9b0182956029 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/vendor_ficgta01.cpp: [ficgta02] Set the sidetone to a minimum in the calypso |
| 09:54.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * rd94c3e404350 10/src/libraries/qtopia/qtopiaapplication.cpp: [x11] Make the Atom static to avoid roundtrips each time... |
| 09:54.57 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r7222ef4cffe6 10/src/libraries/qtopia/qtopiaapplication.cpp: [x11] Change focus and keyboard hinting handling. |
| 09:55.00 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r7a7a33fdc50e 10/src/libraries/qtopia/qtopiaapplication.cpp: [valgrind] Delete the life cycle manager before we delete the QtopiaApplicationData |
| 09:55.03 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r5fb7b6bd0707 10/src/libraries/qtopia/qtopiaapplication.cpp: [x11] Get the atoms we use in one roundtrip. |
| 09:55.16 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r38d2a3923ef4 10/src/server/server.pro: [server] Compile the predictivekeyboard into the server process for ASU |
| 09:55.16 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r5a1a5204e9a4 10/src/server/phone/serverinterface/phonelauncher/phonelauncher_illume.cpp: [keyboard] Instaniate the Qtopia predictive keyboard on startup |
| 09:55.16 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r27c914aa7529 10/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [x11] Move the XFakeKey code from qtopiainputevents_x11 to qwsinputmethod_x11 |
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| 09:55.22 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r54dd2dad9819 10/src/libraries/qtopia/qtopiaapplication.cpp: [qtopia] Do not set the SOFT_MENU hint on inputmethod widgets |
| 09:55.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * rcaf2e6fde7f4 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/keyboard.cpp: [keyboard] Set a more useful WindowTitle for Qt/X11 |
| 09:55.28 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r6c764ac60899 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/keyboard.cpp: [keyboard] Bypass X11 for the various helper widgets/windows of the keyboard |
| 09:55.33 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2c29e8eb2eb8 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/qwsinputmethod_x11.cpp: [inputmethod] Move the init of the XTest Extension out |
| 09:55.36 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r272d15f1d220 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/qwsinputmethod_x11.cpp: [inputmethods] Move sending a keysym into a separate function |
| 09:55.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r536314fc4057 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/qwsinputmethod_x11.cpp: [inputmethod] First attempt at sending strings |
| 09:56.07 | kd8ikt | whoah |
| 09:56.13 | sontek | someone is being productive |
| 09:56.21 | sontek | whats with the revision numbers? |
| 09:56.27 | kd8ikt | considers getting a stylus finger implant |
| 09:56.29 | sontek | is that a git thing? |
| 09:56.41 | kd8ikt | yeah i think so |
| 09:56.53 | kd8ikt | someone made a src commit |
| 09:57.02 | kd8ikt | zecke |
| 09:57.08 | sontek | I mean, are those revisions a git thing |
| 09:57.15 | sontek | I've never seen revisions with letters in them :P |
| 09:57.38 | kd8ikt | r(revisionnumber) |
| 09:57.45 | kd8ikt | hex |
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| 09:58.25 | walrustown_ | kd8ikt: I have a metal thumbpick that I use for stylusing, it's kind of like an implant :P |
| 09:59.48 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 10:00.04 | sontek | I just use my finger, first thing I did was put the stylus in a drawer :P |
| 10:00.09 | sontek | that thing is way to big to be useful |
| 10:00.17 | kd8ikt | i wanna play with the accellerometer but i dont know if my kernel is picking them up |
| 10:00.31 | kd8ikt | even3 spills tons of garbage but event2 is silent |
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| 10:01.10 | bobkare | kd8ikt: somebody told me there's a kernel bug that means only one accelerometer will get picked up |
| 10:01.36 | kd8ikt | thats fine for now |
| 10:01.55 | kd8ikt | is there a console app to read and echo the data? |
| 10:02.17 | kd8ikt | i installed gesd (gesture daemon) but i dunno |
| 10:02.39 | kd8ikt | ran the echo config and it doesnt do anything |
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| 10:06.04 | doktoreas | hello everybody :D |
| 10:08.17 | kd8ikt | http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Orrery |
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| 10:08.57 | doktoreas | anyone using openmoko with italian phone carriers? |
| 10:08.59 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb4d6ae71e33a 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for cacao-0.98+hg20071001 |
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| 10:09.05 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rbdcabd4e081f 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for libgpepimc-0.9 |
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| 10:12.52 | adsllc | kd8ikt: I don't think it's a kernel thing. Kill either X or neod and they both work for me. |
| 10:13.30 | adsllc | kd8ikt: neod is opening everything in /dev/input/event* and just hangs on to it whether it uses it or not. |
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| 10:17.01 | kd8ikt | oh |
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| 10:17.28 | kd8ikt | so if i get it to start before them i might have a fighting chance |
| 10:18.19 | adsllc | Maybe - although being first doesn't necessarily mean that a later open won't break things. |
| 10:19.24 | adsllc | http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c |
| 10:19.31 | adsllc | See neod_buttonactions_install_watcher() |
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| 10:20.37 | adsllc | Also see http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/README, where neod is described neod as throwaway code to be replaced. |
| 10:23.08 | kd8ikt | ack cant get orrery to start |
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| 10:28.47 | kd8ikt | hah |
| 10:28.57 | kd8ikt | damn *.dat file was misnamed |
| 10:30.14 | kd8ikt | wow this is neat |
| 10:37.22 | almien | where are ringtones/startup sound stored? |
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| 10:39.21 | kd8ikt | /usr/share/openmoko/sounds |
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| 10:40.05 | almien | thanks |
| 10:40.45 | pantsd_ | When I try to query enttime on the gsm modem I get back "EXT: I" what does that mean? |
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| 11:00.11 | kd8ikt | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ <-- uploaded a pic of orrery (star map) |
| 11:02.36 | Stroller | lol |
| 11:02.44 | kd8ikt | neat eh? |
| 11:02.48 | Stroller | I like your Wall-E wallpaper |
| 11:03.24 | kd8ikt | i like it too |
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| 11:08.15 | Openfree | must i use debug board to trace kernel printk log? |
| 11:09.51 | balrog-kun | no, you can just read the dmesg too |
| 11:14.55 | kd8ikt | you having a hard time reading the kernel printk's at boot also ;) |
| 11:15.16 | kd8ikt | i gotta say it again i love the resolution of this lil bugger |
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| 11:17.06 | kd8ikt | hm its not charging from the wall socket for some reason |
| 11:17.22 | kd8ikt | root@om-gta02:~# apm |
| 11:17.22 | kd8ikt | Off-line, battery status high: 68% (2d+16:15:00) |
| 11:17.31 | kd8ikt | and its plugged into the wall! |
| 11:18.11 | Openfree | balrog-kun,kd8ikt, can't do mesg, coz kernel panic at very early time, i'm trying to route thoese msg out |
| 11:18.33 | kd8ikt | oh |
| 11:19.01 | balrog-kun | kd8ikt: try plugging out and in |
| 11:19.15 | kd8ikt | i did |
| 11:19.16 | balrog-kun | Openfree: use the debug board then, or kill X and you should see the dmesg on the screen |
| 11:19.22 | balrog-kun | kd8ikt: no difference? |
| 11:19.23 | kd8ikt | i'll try rebooting it with it already in |
| 11:19.34 | kd8ikt | the usb icon apears |
| 11:19.36 | balrog-kun | kd8ikt: maybe apm is lying |
| 11:20.10 | kd8ikt | yeah its saying 2d's lol |
| 11:20.13 | balrog-kun | hah i just noticed |
| 11:20.16 | kd8ikt | 2 days my butt |
| 11:20.20 | balrog-kun | it's rather optimistic |
| 11:20.33 | kd8ikt | if its not plugged in when i go to sleep i wake up its dead |
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| 11:20.46 | kd8ikt | and thats only like 7-8 hrs |
| 11:21.25 | kd8ikt | then again i ussually leave wifi on |
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| 11:27.19 | Openfree | balrog-kun, seems that's the only way out, i don't have tool to open the device currently, so i was thinking to output the msg via usb console? |
| 11:27.57 | balrog-kun | i never succeeded at that |
| 11:28.38 | balrog-kun | try a really small console font and use the framebuffer console |
| 11:30.42 | Openfree | balrog-kun,thx, i do can see the log on screen, but i want those msg copy out |
| 11:31.37 | Openfree | i'm try to boot from sd-card , but kernel panic at mout rootfs, due to can't find rootfs partion |
| 11:31.54 | Openfree | i follow the wiki |
| 11:33.35 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card#Step_1:_Change_your_kernel_settings ? |
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| 11:46.07 | Openfree | kd8ikt, thx, guess i find the problem, i use default kernel from daily build snapshot, and it build as modules. |
| 11:46.14 | kd8ikt | is there a filemanager |
| 11:46.28 | kd8ikt | you werent reading that wiki page? |
| 11:49.05 | kd8ikt | found it http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/gpe-filemanager_0.30-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 11:49.59 | kd8ikt | gpe-filemanager |
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| 11:52.43 | fuzzyt | anyone know whats up with qtopia.net? |
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| 11:57.32 | kd8ikt | lol checkout opkg's list output |
| 11:57.38 | kd8ikt | a52dec - 0.7.4-r1 - Library for reading some sort of media format. |
| 11:57.43 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 11:59.45 | kd8ikt | guess its not that funny |
| 12:00.39 | almien | is there a working music-player for it? |
| 12:01.16 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 12:01.31 | kd8ikt | opkg install openmoko-mediaplayer2 |
| 12:01.31 | kd8ikt | wget http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/openmoko-mediaplayer-theme.tar.bz2 |
| 12:01.31 | kd8ikt | tar xjf openmoko-mediaplayer-theme.tar.bz2 -C /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0 |
| 12:01.31 | kd8ikt | rm openmoko-mediaplayer-theme.tar.bz2 |
| 12:01.59 | kd8ikt | needs the theme or else the buttons are really small... and iconless |
| 12:02.18 | almien | ok thanks |
| 12:02.29 | kd8ikt | i got that from http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 12:03.17 | kd8ikt | grab minimo too while your at it |
| 12:04.07 | almien | having trouble getting a reliable internet connection for it |
| 12:04.13 | kd8ikt | oh |
| 12:04.21 | almien | over USB connected to the eee (xandros) it worked once but not since |
| 12:04.22 | kd8ikt | wifi? |
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| 12:04.57 | almien | spent a long time yesterday playing with wifi, no success |
| 12:05.03 | kd8ikt | WPA? |
| 12:05.26 | kd8ikt | i made a lil script to conenct to my wifi <WPA2 PSK> |
| 12:05.29 | almien | not really sure how to debug wifi. I gave it the WEP key, and then I think my router refused to give out a DHCP lease |
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| 12:06.13 | almien | i.e. it couldn't even connect when I set the wifi to unencrypted |
| 12:06.14 | kd8ikt | make an acceptable wpa_supplicant.conf file |
| 12:06.16 | kd8ikt | wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -B |
| 12:06.16 | kd8ikt | sleep 4 |
| 12:06.20 | kd8ikt | udhcpc eth0 |
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| 12:07.05 | kd8ikt | <-- thats my lil wlan start script in my home dir i exec when i'm at home but i just need to add an extra entry in the wpa config when elsewere |
| 12:07.08 | almien | really needs some way of finding out where all his router's DHCP leases went, and how to free-up any that are unused |
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| 12:07.34 | kd8ikt | wifi can be picky at times but dont give up |
| 12:08.27 | kd8ikt | i refrained from adding a wlan bootup entry cause it might cause issue |
| 12:08.53 | kd8ikt | http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN |
| 12:09.32 | kd8ikt | what type of key is your WEP? |
| 12:09.37 | kd8ikt | hex or ascii |
| 12:09.43 | kd8ikt | dunno if that matters |
| 12:09.55 | kd8ikt | shouldnt use WEP anyway |
| 12:09.57 | almien | hex. I typed it as just the hex number in quotes |
| 12:10.01 | kd8ikt | WPA or open |
| 12:10.25 | kd8ikt | likes to crack wep in his spare time ;) |
| 12:10.39 | kd8ikt | and sometimes bruteforce WPA |
| 12:10.39 | almien | would like to run an open network, but would want some sort of filter built-into router to stop the worst of the spam from my connection |
| 12:11.04 | almien | do hex keys go in quotes in the wpa_supplicant? |
| 12:11.11 | kd8ikt | hate open networks with MAC filtering |
| 12:11.40 | kd8ikt | dont think quotes are needed unless there are spaces |
| 12:11.45 | almien | I meant content filter, like HTTP/SSH only |
| 12:12.09 | kd8ikt | well if the router had iptables i'm sure you could swing that |
| 12:12.09 | almien | (anyway, it gets to "dchpdiscover", reties lots of times, then gives up saying it didn't get a lease - not sure if that means it connected to wifi properly) |
| 12:12.28 | kd8ikt | yeah its prolly not associating with the AP |
| 12:12.53 | kd8ikt | that needs to happen before dhcp is given |
| 12:13.13 | kd8ikt | i gotta go get ready i have a big day today |
| 12:13.22 | kd8ikt | dayton ohio airshow |
| 12:13.35 | kd8ikt | puts on his sunday clothes |
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| 12:14.46 | kd8ikt | i also recomend the full qwerty keyboard http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15 |
| 12:14.59 | kd8ikt | need the stylus to use it but its great |
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| 12:15.22 | phrozen77 | hi there - how usable is the freerunner in its current state? |
| 12:15.53 | kd8ikt | http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards <-- or add the needed symbols to the current keyboard |
| 12:16.10 | almien | yeah, networking stuff is hampered by the regular keyboard not being able to type the 0 in eth0 |
| 12:16.39 | almien | and various scripts wanting to cut-off the usb network before opening eth0, means that SSH session drops |
| 12:17.15 | almien | phrozen77: it runs some apps, makes phone calls, can do a bit of GPS stuff... |
| 12:17.24 | kd8ikt | phrozen77: currently the only issues i have is batterylife (power management,suspend/resume stuff) and the accellerometers arent totally used just yet |
| 12:17.27 | phrozen77 | sms do work too? |
| 12:17.35 | almien | yes, text messages work |
| 12:17.40 | phrozen77 | nuff for me |
| 12:17.43 | phrozen77 | thanks |
| 12:17.49 | kd8ikt | go buy one! |
| 12:17.52 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 12:17.53 | phrozen77 | will do |
| 12:17.56 | kd8ikt | hey phrozen77 |
| 12:18.02 | almien | anyone know how many were sold so far? |
| 12:18.06 | kd8ikt | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
| 12:18.14 | kd8ikt | checkout those screen dumps |
| 12:18.27 | kd8ikt | esp the first 4 wich are mine ;) |
| 12:18.44 | CM | kd8ikt: Nice background image ;) |
| 12:18.48 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 12:19.28 | kd8ikt | if ya install orrery be sure to check the .dat file's name it needs 2 p's and read the README/INSTALL |
| 12:19.48 | kd8ikt | terrible its not an opkg yet |
| 12:20.01 | CM | I like josch's screenshots too :) |
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| 12:24.43 | fspde | hi there |
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| 12:27.16 | josch | CM, what screenshots? |
| 12:28.41 | CM | josch: on scap, first page |
| 12:28.55 | CM | With xfce |
| 12:29.25 | CM | Is there an install guide? :) |
| 12:29.45 | CM | ~zap josch |
| 12:29.46 | apt | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives josch a good jolt. |
| 12:29.50 | josch | CM, i wrote a wiki page about it |
| 12:30.01 | CM | Nice, I'll look at it |
| 12:30.08 | josch | wiki/Debian |
| 12:30.19 | CM | Danke |
| 12:30.23 | josch | this stuff with gajim i did because of |
| 12:30.26 | josch | some kiddies that |
| 12:30.37 | josch | wanted to know wether they could run an instant messenger |
| 12:30.59 | josch | after five minutes i gave them these screenshots of a fresh gajim install |
| 12:31.07 | CM | Hehe |
| 12:31.11 | josch | and despite being python it's usably fast! i was impressed |
| 12:31.18 | CM | Cool |
| 12:31.31 | josch | eh |
| 12:31.38 | josch | despite being python PLUS gtk |
| 12:31.39 | josch | :D |
| 12:31.54 | CM | I've tried all the other images |
| 12:32.14 | CM | Didn't have much luck with fso or underground |
| 12:32.22 | CM | Or qtopia |
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| 12:37.56 | alx_ | rwhitby, you here ? |
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| 12:38.04 | rwhitby | alx_: yep |
| 12:38.13 | sirkha | is there a way, in gsm, to get the time? |
| 12:38.31 | alx_ | rwhitby, I investigated a bit |
| 12:38.41 | almien | cool, think wifi is working for me now. although when I'm logged in via usb network it seems reluctant to use the wifi for internet (seems to be trying to use usb instead even though usb isn't actually giving it internet access) |
| 12:38.50 | alx_ | about my issue on MokoMakefile |
| 12:39.01 | alx_ | but I think you could be smarter ^^ |
| 12:39.09 | alx_ | I found two issues |
| 12:39.19 | alx_ | the first is with native binary names |
| 12:39.27 | alx_ | MokoMakefile expects dfu-util |
| 12:39.57 | alx_ | while BitBake recipe for dfu-util-native provides a dfu-util-blablablablablalong svn hash code |
| 12:40.16 | rwhitby | hmm - that's a regression in the bitbake recipe then. |
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| 12:40.45 | rwhitby | alx_: which directory does bitbake put it in now? |
| 12:41.03 | alx_ | rwhitby, dfu-util ? |
| 12:41.13 | rwhitby | has been trying to get his GTA02 to even power-on successfully, so hasn't built anything recently. |
| 12:41.22 | alx_ | rwhitby, may I show you how I patched (works for me) |
| 12:41.27 | rwhitby | alx_: yes, dfu-util-blahblahblah |
| 12:41.36 | rwhitby | alx_: sure, pastebin.ca a patch |
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| 12:44.00 | alx_ | http://pastebin.ca/1077494 |
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| 12:44.55 | alx_ | rwhitby, as you may see I put a * for dfu-util namechange |
| 12:45.01 | alx_ | the fullname is dfu-util-0.1+svnr4160 |
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| 12:49.10 | rwhitby | mickeyl: why the long filename for dfu-util in staging in http://git.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e2fdcf6e9c7065cc1eb617afe50edf760ac7b67 ? |
| 12:49.20 | rwhitby | alx_: the commit by mickeyl above is the cause of the problem. |
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| 12:49.47 | rwhitby | I would prefer that he revert the -${PV} part of the filename in that recipe |
| 12:50.30 | mickeyl | what's the problem with that? |
| 12:50.53 | rwhitby | well, it makes it hard for someone to automatically run that staged executable ... |
| 12:51.07 | rwhitby | (e.g. MokoMakefile using the staged host dfu-util to flash the neo) |
| 12:51.31 | rwhitby | it's a change from previous behaviour which was there for many months - why the change? |
| 12:51.32 | mickeyl | ok, i'd rather solve with a symlink to the latest build (as we do with the kernels) |
| 12:51.42 | rwhitby | symlink is fine with me :-) |
| 12:51.47 | mickeyl | good. will do that now |
| 12:51.53 | rwhitby | mickeyl: thx. |
| 12:52.00 | alx_ | rwhitby, what about the MACHINE I created ? |
| 12:52.08 | rwhitby | alx_: that will solve that part. now to look at the MACHINE stuff. |
| 12:52.12 | alx_ | ^^ |
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| 12:52.47 | alx_ | OE puts (for me) images in tmp/deploy/glibc/images/om-gta02/ |
| 12:53.25 | alx_ | when I created a om-gta01 image OE put it in tmp/deploy/glibc/images/om-gta01/ |
| 12:53.41 | alx_ | so I created that variable and changed the fixed name in MokoMakefile ^^ |
| 12:53.57 | rwhitby | alx_: ok, I can put om-gta01 in flash-neo-* and om-gta02 in flash-fr-* |
| 12:54.39 | alx_ | yes , I think that putting the variable ang getting runtime configuration was a better idea, but it's ok that way |
| 12:54.49 | alx_ | third, but not less important |
| 12:54.55 | rwhitby | alx_: that's a recent change too - as recent as 2008-06-03 it put gta01 images in neo1973 |
| 12:55.23 | alx_ | ^^ |
| 12:56.15 | alx_ | where to submit a patch for openmoko-devel-image.bb |
| 12:56.35 | rwhitby | alx_: to openmoko trac |
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| 12:58.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r26 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Makefile: Fix the image subdirectories. Mickey is going to add a symlink for dfu-util. Thx to alx_ for the bug report and suggested fixes. |
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| 13:20.44 | almien | just a random question: blank root password, plus login via SSH over wifi, plus people will be using OM on open wifi -- surely this means anyone can do anything to your phone? |
| 13:21.54 | SpeedEvil | almien: the more users of openmoko the better. |
| 13:24.16 | almien | so you can never connect your phone to any network, lest your phone be hacked? |
| 13:24.49 | SpeedEvil | I wasn't being serious. You'd want to add a password. |
| 13:25.19 | mjr | :D |
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| 13:29.01 | almien | would that mean you have to type the password every time to boot the phone? |
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| 13:29.48 | mjr | no. |
| 13:30.49 | almien | so just do it with passwd as root? |
| 13:32.30 | almien | hmm, fish:// protocol is constantly transferring 0-byte files to OM (copy a file to it and after some disconnections/retries it ends up with 0 byte file on OM) |
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| 13:51.28 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r4a16f2256ce0 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/keyboard.cpp: [predictivekeyboard] Add code to play with. Use the Shape Extension to get popup shape |
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| 13:54.20 | tomjoad440 | can anybody tell me what I'm doing wrong with MokoMakefile where I get "ERROR: Unable to open conf/bitbake.conf"? |
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| 14:13.06 | SWAT | first off: congratulations on the freerunner release! |
| 14:14.36 | SWAT | are there any 'pouches' known which you can hang on your belt and which can handle the freerunner? This is something the HTC models have and it's quite useful. |
| 14:16.21 | jtickle | I'd also be interested in FreeRunner "accessories"... particularly something ugly and leather to protect the case and display |
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| 14:18.31 | SWAT | jtickle: s/ugly\ and// |
| 14:19.06 | jtickle | ;-) |
| 14:19.12 | jtickle | I don't much care for cell phone cases |
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| 14:19.27 | jtickle | but I prefer them to, you know, buying new parts after the ones I have get scratched |
| 14:20.50 | SWAT | well, the freerunner is quite large, which means you will probably keep it in your jacket. Let's say it's summer and you don't wear a jacket. |
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| 14:22.06 | jtickle | oh indeed, I wouldn't mind a clip either |
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| 14:23.06 | jtickle | I'd really like something I can stick to my window or dashboard that would hold the OM for GPS |
| 14:23.06 | jtickle | also useful for "handsfree" operation |
| 14:23.20 | jtickle | perhaps some sort of cool clip could be designed by the community that could work in both ways somehow |
| 14:23.26 | Stroller | what battery life are people getting? Someone's asking me, but mine's been tethered all week, so I haven't needed to try suspend or anything like that. |
| 14:24.18 | jtickle | Stroller, in my very limited experience it looks like it will need a nightly charge |
| 14:24.44 | Stroller | I'd be completely happy with that, TBH. |
| 14:24.53 | Stroller | Long term, even. |
| 14:25.05 | jtickle | Stroller, I played with the GPS for the better part of yesterday and was impressed with how long it lasted... made it pretty much for a whole 6-hour trip, and for longer than that you could get a cig lighter adapter |
| 14:25.06 | bumbl | Stroller: as far as I have read it were ~48h, but I haven't tried it myself - I use it too much every day |
| 14:25.17 | jtickle | and I was messing with it the whole time so it didn't really get to go to power management |
| 14:26.06 | jtickle | although, I'm looking at the TangoGPS code to see if there's a way to reduce CPU usage when it's not in the foreground |
| 14:26.32 | jtickle | am also thinking about making a "map-pack" generator for OpenStreetMaps, as I will not be able to get 3G service |
| 14:27.20 | alx_ | where should I define which locale has to be used |
| 14:27.25 | Stroller | bumbl: is that 48h with suspend? I couldn't find any figures > 21h on the mailing list |
| 14:27.42 | alx_ | (when building an fr mage) |
| 14:27.55 | bumbl | Stroller: with suspend and FSO |
| 14:28.00 | Stroller | TY |
| 14:28.39 | alx_ | what are the differences between FSO/ASU /OM ? I just get that differences are in packages installed |
| 14:28.42 | alx_ | am I wrong ? |
| 14:29.03 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf6409805b084 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [openmoko-qtopia-x11] Change the sequence of RDEPENDS in task-openmoko-qtopia-x11 |
| 14:29.03 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r589c1fd3aba0 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags. |
| 14:29.04 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r54dd9ed7c27e 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for fastjar-0.95 |
| 14:29.05 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4adff8f7d6dd 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for cacao-0.98 |
| 14:29.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb75e7cf5d8ca 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for classpath-0.93 |
| 14:29.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r70fcc9586b42 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for ecjsrc |
| 14:29.14 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r3dab984f223f 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for cacao-0.98+hg20071001 |
| 14:29.17 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r74381e7f06b1 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for classpath-0.96.1 |
| 14:29.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8e439b651d97 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for libgpepimc-0.9 |
| 14:29.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rfbb6f6b19222 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for mono-1.2.5.1 |
| 14:29.28 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5fdf918fc8f3 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for URI-1.35 |
| 14:29.31 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rcc9881569695 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for libtododb-0.11 |
| 14:29.34 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rff5d535e96a0 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for classpath-0.97.1 |
| 14:29.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1db6969c314c 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for pcre-7.6 |
| 14:29.42 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * raa25ece36d46 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for pycairo-1.4.0 |
| 14:29.45 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r855696a41e6c 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for pygtk-2.10.4 |
| 14:30.27 | Stroller | alx_: you might find different images use a different kernel package, or different sources, configuration. That's where all the suspend/resume dev will be going on. |
| 14:30.56 | alx_ | I see |
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| 14:31.20 | alx_ | Stroller, I see |
| 14:31.54 | alx_ | I'm working on building a custom image (packages/configuration) to have my FR with the BARE MINIMUM |
| 14:32.08 | alx_ | as I didn't find something similar already on OE |
| 14:32.30 | TAsn | alx_, bare minimum could be something fun to have. |
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| 14:33.01 | alx_ | I mean: kernel -> glibc -> shell -> X |
| 14:33.06 | alx_ | nothing more |
| 14:33.09 | Fossi | alx_: what do you consider the bare minimum? |
| 14:33.25 | Fossi | ah, i for example wouldn't really include X ;) |
| 14:33.26 | alx_ | oh.. dropbear :) |
| 14:33.29 | bumbl | alx_: the openmoko image uses gtk+, asu uses qtopia +x11, fso is itself only a framework which should be toolkitagnostic |
| 14:33.37 | TAsn | alx_, i know, well i mean even without x |
| 14:33.41 | Stroller | Yeah, so it boots straight into framebuffer terminal & the user has to write his own bash script to send AT commands to the modem if he wants to make a call. |
| 14:33.42 | TAsn | just like arch linux |
| 14:33.42 | Stroller | :D |
| 14:34.00 | TAsn | you install what ever you went, even the obvious stuff. |
| 14:34.05 | Fossi | who want's to use the moko as a phone anyway ;) |
| 14:34.06 | TAsn | want* |
| 14:34.12 | bumbl | <alx_> I mean: kernel -> glibc -> shell -> X; that would be the FSO image |
| 14:34.30 | TAsn | Fossi, i bought it so i will have bash everywhere i go. |
| 14:34.36 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 14:34.43 | alx_ | so, instead on cutting things off from openmoko-devel-image |
| 14:34.52 | Fossi | mobile rootshell, yeah ;) |
| 14:34.53 | alx_ | I cam inherit fso and add things to it ? |
| 14:35.06 | alx_ | am I right ? |
| 14:35.10 | jtickle | has no gsm service yet and has found the moko quite useful anyway ;-) |
| 14:35.14 | Fossi | i didn't even have a sim card in yet :D |
| 14:35.21 | alx_ | me too |
| 14:35.33 | bumbl | alx_: afaik there is at the moment no application launcher implemented (only a dialer to make calls) |
| 14:35.48 | bumbl | so basically: no, not at the moment |
| 14:36.17 | bumbl | it might have changed since I have used it the last time though |
| 14:36.51 | alx_ | bumbl, are you answering me ? |
| 14:37.06 | bumbl | yes |
| 14:37.15 | alx_ | I don't need app launcher |
| 14:37.30 | alx_ | I just want to launch ONE app full-screen |
| 14:37.38 | bumbl | which app? |
| 14:37.38 | alx_ | with two buttons widget |
| 14:37.49 | alx_ | a python app we're developing |
| 14:38.01 | alx_ | lol developing TWO BUTTONS app ^^ |
| 14:38.31 | Stroller | A phone for kids? "Mom" "Dad" |
| 14:38.40 | alx_ | I mean: we're thinking about using FR as base for a device |
| 14:38.51 | alx_ | Stroller, similar to |
| 14:38.52 | alx_ | rotfl |
| 14:38.53 | bumbl | oh, i don't know if you can launch anything except the dialer at the moment, but just try or contact mickeyl who afaik develops fso |
| 14:39.05 | Stroller | Actually, I thought of a great feature for parental phone management recently |
| 14:39.16 | Stroller | I was at this customer's house |
| 14:39.21 | Stroller | And she took this call |
| 14:39.41 | alx_ | we need to build custom expansion, my partner is very doubt on where to connect :'( |
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| 14:39.48 | Stroller | And she yells out the back garden, "Dave, your Mom says you have to go home in 5 minutes." |
| 14:39.55 | Stroller | "She's been trying to call you" |
| 14:40.03 | Stroller | And the kids says "I know" |
| 14:40.12 | alx_ | we are good in writing software/building distro |
| 14:40.21 | Stroller | He was ignoring the call because it was his Mom, and he didn't want to go home |
| 14:40.33 | alx_ | but we have no glue on electronic design (just a minimal bare minimum) |
| 14:40.39 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r828871eba7c2 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/convert.py: ogsmd: add ucs2_hex_to_string converter |
| 14:40.39 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb824a18bd963 10/framework/ (7 files in 5 dirs): ogsmd: add org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.{Messagebook|Phonebook}Ready signals and associate Get methods. |
| 14:41.01 | fspde | am i right, that atm there is a bug in the firmware of the ti calypso that might prevent some SIM cards from registering with the phone? |
| 14:41.16 | Stroller | So I thought, if you got your kids a Frererunner, you could program it so that everytime the kid ignores a call from his parents it notches up mark in a little logfile somewhere |
| 14:41.17 | alx_ | btw, how may I change FR locale ? |
| 14:41.31 | alx_ | actually I found no LANG / LANGUAGE variable |
| 14:42.01 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r411187b165d1 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/channel.py: ogsmd: add abstract modem channel implementic some basic stuff helpful for derived channels |
| 14:42.05 | Stroller | And then when one of the kid's mates calls, it randomly drops the call (like doesn't even ring) if there's a mark in this logfile |
| 14:42.31 | alx_ | Stroller, ahah nice ^^ |
| 14:42.34 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't work if phones are cheap. |
| 14:42.51 | SpeedEvil | They just get another. |
| 14:43.09 | alx_ | a 8 years old kid cannot buy a phone alone |
| 14:43.21 | alx_ | it could be for a 14/18 young |
| 14:43.40 | Stroller | Yeah, this kid was maybe 10, I gues |
| 14:43.42 | Stroller | guess |
| 14:43.53 | bumbl | Stroller: I would think more about something like if the kid ignores their parents call the freerunner should play a sound file over the loudspeaker telling the kid "we know everything! mind grounding" |
| 14:44.04 | alx_ | rotfl |
| 14:44.05 | Stroller | lol |
| 14:44.29 | alx_ | does anyone know how may I connect to the debug connector ? |
| 14:44.38 | alx_ | Voltages/ current/ data channel available ? |
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| 14:46.30 | SpeedEvil | On the wiki alx |
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| 14:46.56 | alx_ | SpeedEvil, there I just find a name for every pin |
| 14:46.58 | SpeedEvil | There are serials, and JTAG |
| 14:47.05 | alx_ | serials ? |
| 14:47.08 | SpeedEvil | What are you hoping to do? |
| 14:47.10 | alx_ | I didn't see them |
| 14:47.27 | alx_ | extend FR with some kind of serial HW |
| 14:47.56 | alx_ | I want to acquire with the FR some signals |
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| 14:48.17 | alx_ | and the sensor I want to develop need to be able to acquire |
| 14:48.57 | alx_ | SpeedEvil, are you good in electronic design ? |
| 14:49.04 | SpeedEvil | alexxy: does it have to fit int he case? |
| 14:49.06 | SpeedEvil | alx: |
| 14:49.13 | alx_ | no |
| 14:49.16 | alx_ | well, yes |
| 14:49.45 | alx_ | it has to fit a modified case |
| 14:49.45 | SpeedEvil | What are you trying to connect? |
| 14:49.45 | alx_ | nothing real |
| 14:49.47 | alx_ | I've to build |
| 14:49.54 | alx_ | may we speak in que ? |
| 14:50.44 | SpeedEvil | Or pop over to ##electronics |
| 14:50.50 | alx_ | oh ok |
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| 15:05.25 | loufoque | it's funny how the mass market release, which was supposed to be targeted at end-users, is said to not be stable even for experts. |
| 15:06.07 | malik1972 | to be honest, i am also a little bit disappointed |
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| 15:08.05 | malik1972 | at least concerning the gps issue |
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| 15:13.06 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * re72bd20a4ad2 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/predictivekeyboard.pro: [predicitivekeyboard] Make it link again after the qwsinputmethod_x11.cpp changes |
| 15:13.06 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * rb3d1d38877b5 10/src/server/phone/serverinterface/phonelauncher/phonelauncher_illume.cpp: [keyboard] Do not create a instance of the virtual keyboard for QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD is set |
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| 15:22.32 | loufoque | the freerunner has three OSes (OM2007.2, ASU and FSO) |
| 15:22.49 | loufoque | how come that is not clearly explained in introductory pages on the wiki? |
| 15:24.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * race69f9fe758 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get the predictive keyboard and virtual keyboard changes |
| 15:24.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rad0f03e367e9 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade EFL to the 18th of July to get the virtual keyboard changes |
| 15:24.21 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r1ea3b7aa1d13 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade illume to handle the showing/hiding of external virtual keyboards |
| 15:24.50 | balrog-kun | because everyone preferred to ask why it is so rather than bother to exaplain :P |
| 15:25.13 | malik1972 | one more question |
| 15:25.35 | malik1972 | is there an archive concerning the cia bot messages? |
| 15:26.13 | linuxxee | Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz, error 0 |
| 15:26.23 | linuxxee | all downloads say this |
| 15:26.37 | linuxxee | i cant update for some reason |
| 15:27.11 | linuxxee | maybe a port on the router |
| 15:27.19 | linuxxee | heeellllppp |
| 15:27.22 | linuxxee | lol |
| 15:27.56 | linuxxee | sig check fails |
| 15:28.16 | linuxxee | i think it downloads |
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| 15:36.25 | malik1972 | i got it |
| 15:37.20 | bumbl | linuxxee: that is normal, i do get it too the first few runs of opkg upgrade |
| 15:37.33 | bumbl | after some tries it succeeds in downloading |
| 15:37.48 | linuxxee | how do i tell if its completely updated an upgraded |
| 15:37.52 | bumbl | s/upgrade/updae |
| 15:38.02 | bumbl | *update |
| 15:38.11 | linuxxee | how do i tell if its completely updated an upgraded |
| 15:38.19 | leinirAWAY | upgraded, you'll know if it does nothing at all when you call the opkg upgrade command :) |
| 15:38.32 | leinirAWAY | well, or rather, it'll sit there, and then just return to the prompt :) |
| 15:38.41 | linuxxee | Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/neo1973/Packages.sig, error 0 |
| 15:38.49 | linuxxee | 9 of those |
| 15:39.11 | bumbl | there are no .sig @ the openmoko server so this is fine |
| 15:39.44 | linuxxee | can i check a certain file to see the version # |
| 15:40.13 | linuxxee | Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/Packages.gz, error 0 |
| 15:40.20 | bumbl | i don't know, opkg sucks at the moment |
| 15:40.45 | linuxxee | will ther be new stuff if it completes? |
| 15:41.58 | almien | I have a wireless connection working - but OM can only connect to internet if usb0 connection is down - is there somewhere you can tell it which interface to use for connecting to internet? |
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| 15:42.34 | Fossi | linuxxee: no, only new versions |
| 15:42.58 | Fossi | to install new stuff you need to opkg install yourself or flash with a new image |
| 15:43.04 | kdubois | almien: you probably have two default routes, configure your iptables |
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| 15:49.51 | kdubois | what would be more helpful, working on the fso, or on the asu? |
| 15:51.24 | balrog-kun | votes for fso.. if it only wasn't python... |
| 15:51.38 | bobkare | kdubois: Uh, what's iptables got to do with routing? Surely it's better to just remove the wrong default route |
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| 15:52.08 | newb | anyone figured out the ideal mixer settings for making calls on the GTA02? |
| 15:52.23 | newb | i think i may have come close to it.... :) |
| 15:52.25 | newb | problem is |
| 15:52.32 | newb | the voice breaks towards the end |
| 15:52.45 | newb | the entire sentence just chops off at the end |
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| 15:53.19 | kdubois | bobkare: meh, they're kinda all the same thing in my head. i suppose route is an entirely different program than iptables |
| 15:54.31 | bobkare | kdubois: quite a bit of difference indeed |
| 15:55.12 | kdubois | well, they both have to do with getting packets where they need to be |
| 15:55.50 | Kensan | kdubois: iptables is not needed for that. |
| 15:56.13 | Kensan | kdubois: iptables or rather netfilter is packet filtering. |
| 15:56.22 | kdubois | sigh, i know. i said the wrong thing up there |
| 15:57.01 | BBishop | how could I get to be a opnmoko intern ? :| |
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| 15:58.14 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 16:02.52 | BBishop | anybody ? :| |
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| 16:03.38 | mw| | BBishop: find a project, and send patch-set to the author, and that pretty much will make a intern fast I guess |
| 16:04.06 | BBishop | ok, where can I find a project list ? |
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| 16:05.40 | zedstar_ | projects.openmoko.org |
| 16:05.40 | pyknite | BBishop: http://projects.openmoko.org/ |
| 16:06.45 | BBishop | ( you guys need to get the certificate from a known authority ) |
| 16:07.06 | almien | media-player's volume control is gesture-controlled? |
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| 16:12.59 | newb | anyone know how i can get the time to appear on the top title bar? |
| 16:13.16 | newb | it would be really nice if that could happen instead of getting a big clock on the Home screen |
| 16:13.29 | Kensan | BBishop: I suspect to become a succesfull intern you should figure that out on your own.. |
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| 16:18.26 | peepsalot | anyone played with bootchart on freerunner? |
| 16:18.51 | balrog-kun | yes, see openmoko-devel |
| 16:19.02 | BBishop | Kensan, I doubt it. |
| 16:20.42 | Kensan | BBIshop: I was talking about the part to figure out how to become an intern. |
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| 16:21.21 | BBishop | me too. |
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| 16:23.50 | lollydays | is there a walkthrough on flashing the ASU? |
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| 16:24.52 | Kensan | BBishop: well finding the appropriate email address to send your application to should be doable. |
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| 16:27.04 | T0o0T | @lollydays I think you need this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_Openmoko#Actually_flashing_things_into_the_device |
| 16:27.32 | lollydays | T0o0T: gracias |
| 16:30.20 | almien | thanks |
| 16:32.53 | lollydays | T0o0T: which .jffs2 file should I download? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080720/ |
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| 16:36.31 | jag_ | hello im looking to develop some music synthesis free software...can i take microphone input, apply some fx (like in the SAW movie) and then output it to the phone call system so that it goes to the caller as a processed voice not my original voice..is this possible? |
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| 16:39.16 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r49a955289465 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/openmoko/led-trigger initscripts_1.0.bb): [openmoko] Add start up script for trigger AUX led |
| 16:39.38 | mmontour | jag_: yes, that should be possible. You can re-route the mic to ADC, and send the DAC output to the GSM chipset. |
| 16:40.20 | jag_ | wow! thank you mmontour |
| 16:41.15 | mmontour | Start by looking at the "Neo1973 Audio Subsystem" wiki page and the wm8753 datasheet. |
| 16:43.38 | lollydays | i'm trying to flash the ASU and i'm getting "more than one DFU capable USB device found" |
| 16:43.42 | lollydays | why? |
| 16:44.08 | mmontour | lollydays: you probably have a dfu-capable bluetooth adapter on the usb bus |
| 16:44.27 | lollydays | mmontour, it didn't give me that last time I flashed... |
| 16:44.58 | lollydays | weird, now it's gone |
| 16:45.00 | mmontour | try to list the devices that it's seeing. The Freerunner is (IIRC) 0x1d50/0x5119 |
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| 16:45.38 | lollydays | mmontour, i also have [0x0a5c:0x2000] |
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| 16:46.09 | lollydays | oh crap, it is probably the bluetooth becuase last time i did it I switched off the wireless on my lappy |
| 16:46.18 | lollydays | thanks, mmontour |
| 16:49.26 | newb | dumb question: how do i playback songs with the media player? where does it look for songs? |
| 16:49.28 | jag_ | can i touch the screen and activate ui controls with my fingers instead of the stylus? and is freerunner multi-touch..will i get 2 x and y s if i touch 2 different locations on the screen? thank you |
| 16:51.25 | malik1972 | newb: try to make a playlist and add files |
| 16:52.03 | newb | malik1972: where do i put those files? |
| 16:52.14 | newb | malik1972: u mean i make a playlist on the host machine? |
| 16:52.16 | malik1972 | newb: on sd? |
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| 16:52.51 | lollydays | trying to flash the ASU, I'm getting [#######dfu_download error -110, any ideas |
| 16:53.06 | newb | malik1972: i got it |
| 16:53.07 | newb | :) |
| 16:53.11 | newb | not very intuitive |
| 16:53.13 | newb | but i got it |
| 16:53.18 | igor321 | yo! the 2007.2 media player works on ASU, right? |
| 16:53.20 | malik1972 | newb: i know ... |
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| 16:54.11 | malik1972 | lollydays: check that your files are correct downloaded |
| 16:55.11 | malik1972 | igor321: try it ... opkg list | grep player |
| 16:55.23 | lollydays | malik1972: what do you mean |
| 16:55.39 | igor321 | malik1972: can't without the freerunner :) |
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| 16:55.57 | malik1972 | igor321: you dont have one? |
| 16:56.27 | igor321 | malik1972: unfortunately no, and who knows when i'll get one |
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| 16:56.49 | igor321 | i did order like three weeks ago :) |
| 16:56.59 | malik1972 | do u have a neo? |
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| 16:57.05 | ajbrun | igor321 - where from? |
| 16:57.10 | ajbrun | europe? |
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| 16:57.13 | ajbrun | trubox? |
| 16:57.14 | igor321 | ajbrun: form pulster |
| 16:57.19 | ajbrun | k# |
| 16:57.30 | newb | malik1972: does it playback mp3? or do i have to playback ogg? |
| 16:57.31 | igor321 | but i also tried ordering from the french guys |
| 16:57.38 | ajbrun | true box ones are being delayed in china apparently because of the olympic games |
| 16:57.42 | igor321 | they were also out of stock |
| 16:57.46 | ajbrun | they said the same is happening everywhere |
| 16:57.49 | malik1972 | igro321: mp3 no problem |
| 16:57.57 | ajbrun | mine is being sent on 28th now i think |
| 16:58.16 | igor321 | ajbrun: it's still a long time, funny how it works :) |
| 16:58.22 | lollydays | malik1972... downloaded the .bin file again and it still gives me the download error -110 |
| 16:58.36 | malik1972 | igor321: you can try neo-qemu, install things on sd and test it |
| 16:59.09 | igor321 | malik1972: i did try it, but i gave up when i couldn't try ASU on it |
| 16:59.19 | igor321 | i have to be patient i guess |
| 16:59.20 | malik1972 | lollydays: konsole command of failure? |
| 16:59.32 | igor321 | did any of you try installing the media player on asu? |
| 16:59.48 | lollydays | malik1972: I'm not sure what you're saying |
| 17:00.03 | newb | malik1972: not playing mp3 |
| 17:00.10 | malik1972 | lollydays: dfu-util ... |
| 17:00.36 | lollydays | malik1972: do you mean I should get a new copy of dfu-util? |
| 17:00.38 | malik1972 | newb: mine played mp3, maybe you have to install some libs |
| 17:00.57 | malik1972 | lollydays: no, give us more informations |
| 17:01.29 | malik1972 | lollydays: copy your commands, warnings into a pastebin site |
| 17:01.40 | newb | malik1972: getting gstreamer errors any idea which plugins? |
| 17:02.34 | malik1972 | newb: i am not sure, try "opkg list | grep mp3" |
| 17:02.35 | lollydays | malik1972: http://pastebin.com/d482ce841 |
| 17:02.42 | newb | hmmmm |
| 17:02.43 | newb | ok |
| 17:03.29 | malik1972 | lollydays: you should use "-a kernel"!! |
| 17:04.07 | lollydays | malik1972: I was just following the wiki.... |
| 17:04.11 | lollydays | so what's the full command then? |
| 17:04.16 | Zorkman | opkg update fails (404 errors) but opkg upgrade does not, anyone an idea how this can be? |
| 17:04.46 | lollydays | instead of u-boot, kernel? |
| 17:04.54 | malik1972 | yepp |
| 17:05.05 | lollydays | how come the wiki says otherwise? |
| 17:05.38 | malik1972 | http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 17:05.53 | malik1972 | give me the url of the wiki |
| 17:06.25 | lollydays | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_Openmoko#Actually_flashing_things_into_the_device |
| 17:06.28 | lollydays | why are there two pages??? |
| 17:06.48 | rivalarrival | Because it's community edited? |
| 17:07.11 | malik1972 | lollydays: you see the difference between uboot images and uImages? |
| 17:07.37 | malik1972 | rivalarrival: nevertheless he made the mistake in this case |
| 17:07.40 | lollydays | um... not really |
| 17:07.49 | rivalarrival | lollydays: The command you need is the second one on the Flashing_Openmoko page... |
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| 17:08.03 | malik1972 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.12 | malik1972 | says flash uboot |
| 17:08.23 | lollydays | i see |
| 17:08.31 | rivalarrival | But you're trying to flash the kernel - the uImage |
| 17:08.34 | malik1972 | and this one ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ./uImage-2.6.21.1-moko10-r0_0_1883_0-fic-gta01.bin -> kernel |
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| 17:08.46 | lollydays | i'm totally confused as to what to download, I'm at http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080720/ |
| 17:09.47 | goldenhawk | I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong here. I set up gprs on my phone, but almost never works when it does its chat script stuff. :/ |
| 17:09.49 | malik1972 | lollydays: but dont hesitate to ask, i was only able to answer as i asked others here |
| 17:10.03 | goldenhawk | If ever it's in a state where the chat scripts work it never fails to connect. |
| 17:10.04 | lollydays | malik1972: thanks |
| 17:10.10 | rivalarrival | Yeah, that had me confused to. You need something that ends in jffs2 (that's the rootfs, should be about 56 meg) and a file that starts with uImage- (should be about 200k) |
| 17:10.43 | lollydays | rivalarrival: not a uboot- ? |
| 17:10.45 | rivalarrival | the uImage is flashed to kernel; the jffs2 file is flashed to rootfs |
| 17:10.58 | Zorkman | lollydays: if there is a qtopia-11 in the name it is the ASU, if there is a "devel" in de name, then it will be 2007.2 |
| 17:10.59 | lollydays | ok, so I don't want to change the uboot? |
| 17:11.05 | rivalarrival | AFAIK, uboot replaces the NAND boot loader. |
| 17:11.12 | cjb | no, uboot is the firmware, you don't need to replace that. |
| 17:11.18 | lollydays | ok. |
| 17:11.32 | Zorkman | cjb: he doesn't need to do it, but when his battery dies he will wish he had done it... |
| 17:11.52 | malik1972 | rivalarrival: thats right for flashing ... installing "images" to microsd is differnt, there you have to untar a rootfs |
| 17:11.54 | lollydays | Zorkman? |
| 17:12.12 | cjb | Zorkman: oh, is there a good reason to upgrade uboot from the factory version on FR, then? |
| 17:12.13 | rivalarrival | malik1972: I was actually about to ask about that. :-) |
| 17:12.16 | cjb | didn't know that. |
| 17:12.22 | goldenhawk | Zorkman: What do you mean? There's a benefit to upgrading uboot? |
| 17:13.02 | Zorkman | cjb: i could be wrong, but i thought that the 10 patches that werner made last week only work with latest uboot |
| 17:13.18 | Zorkman | those are for preventing the freerunner from drawing too much current during the startup process |
| 17:13.26 | balrog-kun | there's always benefit to running up-to-date u-boot, this time you get progper battery charging and many other goodies |
| 17:13.31 | Zorkman | so you can boot with only 100mA available |
| 17:13.45 | malik1972 | goldenhawk: sure ... for instance uboot doesnt support sdhc but i hopeit will in future |
| 17:13.46 | Zorkman | when enough is initialised the freerunner can switch to 500mA or 1 |
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| 17:13.54 | Zorkman | otherwise it would never boot |
| 17:14.16 | Zorkman | g2g eat now, if you want a link to the mail where werner posted it just pm me, i'll look it up when i come back |
| 17:14.37 | rivalarrival | Zorkman, balrog-kun: Thanks... Didn't know that! |
| 17:14.41 | goldenhawk | malik1972: I meant right now. I felt that at the moment there was no feature implemented in uboot that wasn't already on the freerunner when I got it from the factory. |
| 17:14.43 | cjb | Ah, I saw that mail, didn't associate it with dead batteries. |
| 17:15.18 | malik1972 | goldenhawk: thats right |
| 17:15.32 | jag_ | hello all, a question about the touchscreen...can i get two x and ys if i touch the screen in two different places? and can i touch using my fingers instead of the stylus? thanks. |
| 17:16.36 | rivalarrival | I don't think this touchscreen supports multitouch. You can use your fingers, to some extent. |
| 17:17.03 | malik1972 | jag_ u can try to port openmoko on an iphone |
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| 17:17.36 | jag_ | rival: what do you mean by some extent? is it possible to click square buttons say? |
| 17:17.46 | jag_ | like those on the calculator |
| 17:18.46 | mjr | to the extent that your fingers are accurate enough |
| 17:18.59 | malik1972 | jag_ qtopia 4.x has big buttons, and i can press with my fingers at the upper right corner |
| 17:19.01 | mjr | should be for basic phone/calculator/whatever stuff |
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| 17:20.02 | lollydays | malik1972: but qtopia still has a tiny keyboard :) |
| 17:20.40 | malik1972 | lollydays: you mean asu, in qtopia 4.x you have the choice |
| 17:21.12 | lollydays | malik1972: i was just using the qtopia image.... didn't know you had the choice! |
| 17:21.16 | malik1972 | seems to be down http://www.qtopia.net/ |
| 17:21.18 | jag_ | yeah im thinking of some music apps |
| 17:21.30 | jag_ | synthesis..tap drumming type of stuff.. |
| 17:21.38 | loufoque | what's the reason for using X11 in openmoko? Both Qt and GTK+ should be able to work with the framebuffer |
| 17:22.03 | loufoque | and it's not like there is hardware acceleration & co anyway |
| 17:22.21 | ebbe | jag_: You could do that, yes |
| 17:22.32 | malik1972 | lollydays: the om guys ported some applications from the qtopa phone edition (trolltech) to what they called asu (x11+qtopia) |
| 17:22.53 | mjr | loufoque, actually 1) there is and 2) more flexibility |
| 17:23.04 | lollydays | malik1972: yeah, i know. I was using the qtopia image and now I'm going to try the ASU |
| 17:23.13 | malik1972 | lollydays: ahh okay |
| 17:23.37 | malik1972 | lollydays: i use qtopia on nand and 2007.2 on sd |
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| 17:24.31 | loufoque | mjr: more flexibility, like? |
| 17:24.43 | loufoque | being able to forward X11 over ssh? |
| 17:24.49 | loufoque | so useful |
| 17:25.08 | mjr | you seem to be out to troll, so think for yourself |
| 17:25.31 | jag_ | this is probably dumb question but i couldnt find an answer in the wiki....i can program in c++ right? how do i access the audio subsystems...both the microphone and stereo output? i have written applications with portaudio |
| 17:25.50 | loufoque | mjr: i'm honestly asking what's the point |
| 17:26.01 | jag_ | in c++ on gnu/linux |
| 17:26.20 | newb | jag_ let me know if u can port openmoko to the iphone :) |
| 17:26.20 | mjr | jag_, yes you can, you perv. Apparently the direction is towards plain alsa but for now at least there's the pulseaudio server. |
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| 17:27.21 | jag_ | newb: not good enough to do that and i dont want to either :) i prefer free platforms |
| 17:27.30 | lollydays | malik1972: i flashed the asu and it boots to a message that says, "error loading module", i can actually drag that message around... |
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| 17:27.46 | mjr | loufoque, well then either you're a troll or just not worth my time, feel free to try to get others to explain though |
| 17:29.55 | lollydays | anyone know why i'd get "error loading module" in ASU? |
| 17:30.26 | sontek | the latest ASU is broken |
| 17:30.34 | sontek | install the 19th |
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| 17:30.45 | mmontour | Regarding flashing a new u-boot - there is no reason to do so yet. The ones currently on buildhost (with "svnr4297" in the filename) are based on the old tree and don't have the recent fixes. Wait a few days. |
| 17:30.56 | Zorkman | the 19th didn't work too well with my freerunner yesterday |
| 17:31.01 | Zorkman | no exposure for example |
| 17:31.19 | malik1972 | mmontour: what are the recent fixes? |
| 17:31.22 | kuzgun | how can I package a program written in python ( inherit distutils is enough or not? ) |
| 17:31.25 | lollydays | sontek, thanks |
| 17:31.47 | Zorkman | question: is there somewhere a howto to connect with the 2007.2 image to a wireless network? |
| 17:32.02 | Zorkman | (without password, i only find information for wpa protected ones) |
| 17:32.10 | mmontour | PMU fixes to boot from low battery, ext2/3 support for SD-booting, pass wakeup-reason to userspace |
| 17:33.11 | loufoque | mjr: i'll be sure to forward your answer to the rest of the international community and the (potential) buyers I intended to perform a grouped purchase with, thanks. |
| 17:33.31 | malik1972 | mmontour: that sound very well, you mean it fixes also the problems with ext on sdhc |
| 17:33.41 | lollydays | Zorkman, which ASU should I try then? |
| 17:34.06 | mmontour | Yes for Freerunner. Neo1973 u-boot still won't be able to use SDHC, only plain SD |
| 17:34.36 | mmontour | BTW that "yes" is actually a "should work". Someone still needs to test that. |
| 17:34.37 | malik1972 | mmontour: what do you understand by wakeup reason? something like an alarm-> boot? |
| 17:35.24 | sontek | Zorkman: its the same steps, just without wpa-supplicant.conf |
| 17:35.29 | zedstar_ | louforque: openmoko is not unique in using X11.....Maemo, ALP etc do |
| 17:35.31 | sontek | Zorkman: use iwconfig |
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| 17:35.46 | mmontour | was the wakeup from a button press, GSM interrupt, low-battery signal, etc. U-boot writes this to a register and the newer kernels expose this through a /sys file |
| 17:38.24 | malik1972 | mmontour: are you an uboot developer? |
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| 17:39.17 | mmontour | malik1972: no, just a community member who's spent a lot of time poking at it. |
| 17:40.16 | malik1972 | mmontour: i spent last weekend for uboot |
| 17:40.52 | malik1972 | mmontour: booting from sd didnt worked, had to change the env to ext3 instead of ext2 |
| 17:41.18 | hhf423 | moin! |
| 17:42.08 | hhf423 | I just loaded a relatively recent build (from celtune) onto my Neo 1973. Should I expect better power management? |
| 17:43.03 | malik1972 | hhf423: i dont think so, ask marcel_m in the german channel |
| 17:44.06 | hhf423 | malik1972: I don't think that he has done anything specific, this was more a general question if power management has improved in, say, the last two months (when I looked at the state of affairs last) |
| 17:44.18 | hhf423 | sorry, I was not clear on that |
| 17:44.54 | malik1972 | hhf423: not really, maybe you can try mwesters kernel |
| 17:45.06 | wibbit | Does any one know, if we've tried to contact some of the bus companies in the UK, to get their routes, in a format that would allow us to enter the data? |
| 17:46.05 | mmontour | malik1972: that was an issue in the default kernel config - ext2 was built as a module. Now ext2 and ext3 are built-in |
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| 17:47.57 | bobkare | wibbit: something tells me you put that into the wrong channel :) |
| 17:48.07 | wibbit | hehehe |
| 17:48.07 | wibbit | yup |
| 17:48.28 | hhf423 | hahah, did you see the rant from FSF on iphone? pathetic. |
| 17:48.39 | wibbit | I was actually wondering subsequently why they were talking about the the ext2/3 features being present as a module or built in :) |
| 17:49.29 | ebbe | hhf423: Why is it pathetic? |
| 17:50.00 | hhf423 | ebbe: for one, its in parts factually wrong. plain wrong. |
| 17:50.10 | hhf423 | ebbe: its FUD |
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| 17:50.55 | ebbe | hhf423: What is wrong? |
| 17:51.04 | hhf423 | ebbe: and of course: who cares. if they think they can do better, they could just prove it e.g. with the Noe or Freerunner |
| 17:51.35 | ebbe | hhf423: I don't think it is about doing things better, it's about freedom |
| 17:51.47 | hhf423 | ebbe: the iphone does only share your location with application a) if you turn location on, b) you also allow an application to use location |
| 17:52.50 | mmontour | c) an evil application exploits a bug and turns on the above items itself (theoretically) |
| 17:53.29 | wibbit | mmontour: surely not, the godly jobs wouldn't allow it |
| 17:53.39 | mjr | wonder how they sandbox... or do they really |
| 17:53.45 | hhf423 | mmontour: in theory, everything is possible. at least applications on the iphone are now sandboxed |
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| 17:54.28 | almien | hang on, aren't peoples' cellphone location data being sold wholesale by phone companies even before GPS devices get involved? |
| 17:54.43 | ebbe | hhf423: I don't understand your location thing? I must be reading something different.. But I wouldn't have a device with GPS and network, that were closed source. |
| 17:54.46 | hhf423 | almien: depends in which country you live |
| 17:55.16 | mmontour | anyway, I don't have time to discuss it now. Will be back later. |
| 17:55.37 | hhf423 | ebbe: thats your choice. but FSF is suggesting that iphone shares your location data without you being able to control it. and thats bullshit. |
| 17:55.43 | SpeedEvil | 'At some time' we need a decent security architecture. |
| 17:55.48 | ebbe | hhf423: No it's not |
| 17:55.54 | mjr | SpeedEvil, ...yes |
| 17:55.59 | Gnutoo | hhf423, there is also a problem with the iphone...you have 2 choices...jailbreaking and risking to brick it with a forced apple update and not jailbreaking it and not having functions such as ssh |
| 17:56.02 | ebbe | hhf423: You have no idea about that the OS is doing |
| 17:56.14 | hhf423 | SpeedEvil: yes, we need that. but it will be harder to make it work afterwards... |
| 17:56.33 | SpeedEvil | hhf423: yeah. |
| 17:56.42 | phileasfogg | phone companies can still find out where you are by analysing the phone's gsm signal strength, I think |
| 17:56.56 | SpeedEvil | phileasfogg: to within a few dozen meters |
| 17:56.58 | hhf423 | ebbe: I do, I can jailbreak into the thing and look at it. its a bsd unix... |
| 17:57.02 | SpeedEvil | phileasfogg: and it's timing, more than stuff |
| 17:57.10 | Gnutoo | hhf423, and last but not least...as ebbe says you can't know what does the os or the applications...and you have a lot of confidential things in a phone... |
| 17:57.22 | ebbe | hhf423: So by jailbreaking it you can see the entire souce code?! |
| 17:57.23 | phileasfogg | point is, they can do that with the freerunner as well |
| 17:57.33 | SpeedEvil | At some point we need to be able to install a game app, and have it almost completely sandboxed. |
| 17:57.47 | SpeedEvil | Own unpriviledged user, ... |
| 17:58.04 | hhf423 | ebbe: hahaha, noone reads the source anyway. we all know that. do not believe the "I could read the source and therefore its secure FUD" |
| 17:58.18 | SpeedEvil | And 'reading' is not enough. |
| 17:58.28 | hhf423 | ebbe: the bind source has been open for how many years? and vulnerabilities are still being found. |
| 17:58.33 | SpeedEvil | Reading and inwardly understanding is a whole other order of magnitude. |
| 17:59.11 | ebbe | hhf423: bind source? Can you really see if the OS is not sending stuff to Apple? |
| 17:59.13 | Gnutoo | phileasfogg, there is a security team for the opnemoko no? if i remember well the first thing they are develloping is a phone call firewall...but they plan to develop phone calls encryption(need 2 openmoko compatible phones...) |
| 18:00.01 | hhf423 | ebbe: BIND, you know what BIND is, do you? |
| 18:00.13 | ebbe | hhf423: Apparently not |
| 18:00.25 | Gnutoo | phileasfogg, but there is still 2 problems: localization and knowing to who you are talking to |
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| 18:00.42 | hhf423 | ebbe: oh, sorry. its a DNS server. Its THE DNS server. |
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| 18:00.55 | wibbit | hhf423: regarding the reading of source code, the vast majority do not read the source code, and of those that do, they are not doing it for security perposes. but to suggest that no one does, or that it is worthless is a bit short sighted. |
| 18:01.22 | zedstar_ | ifaik apple uses location services from skyhook and skyhook uses a closed system for location |
| 18:01.27 | Gnutoo | hhf423, that wasn't specific to bind...microsoft dns was also affected |
| 18:01.34 | hhf423 | wibbit: I am not saying it is worthless. But it is not a cure all, what people like to suggest |
| 18:01.58 | SpeedEvil | It's a cure-all only if someone sponsors a few dozen eyes to go over each and every line of the code. |
| 18:02.01 | hhf423 | Gnutoo: ah, then its ok of course :-) |
| 18:02.11 | SpeedEvil | And that's _expensive_. |
| 18:02.13 | wibbit | You'd be supprised the difference in mentality of companies when they realise that any one and every one can view the code written. |
| 18:02.29 | wibbit | SpeedEvil: True, but some people do. |
| 18:02.41 | lollydays | hhf423: One of the reasons I bought the Freerunner was to support diversity. Diversity of thought brings us many advantages. With opensoure we're not bound to Apple's terms and conditions |
| 18:03.07 | SpeedEvil | opensource does not mean not being bound to T&Cs. |
| 18:03.14 | Gnutoo | hhf423, that depends on the software ....debian openssl flaw was bad...but it was found out...imagine that in a project where you can't see the source...no one would have been able to find it out |
| 18:03.22 | loufoque | hhf423: the security flaw was in the protocol itself, all implementations are affected |
| 18:03.44 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: which were of course public. |
| 18:03.52 | ebbe | hhf423: I really am somewhat puzzled by you attitude.. What are you doing in this room? |
| 18:03.58 | hhf423 | lollydays: yes, choice is good and open source sure puts pressure on the closed source vendors |
| 18:04.20 | Gnutoo | *that also depends on the software, s/..././ |
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| 18:04.54 | ozzloy | where is this article from fsf about the iphone sharing your location? |
| 18:05.20 | ebbe | ozzloy: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/5-reasons-to-avoid-iphone-3g/blogentry_view But it only states that you can not control it |
| 18:05.22 | lollydays | also, it allows us to build the experience from the bottom up, instead from the top down. We, the people can choose what we want |
| 18:05.27 | sontek | it always weirds me out when I see RMS and hes not wearing a tinfoil hat |
| 18:05.38 | sontek | he just strikes me as a tinfoil hat kind of guy |
| 18:05.43 | ozzloy | ebbe: ah, thanks |
| 18:06.25 | wibbit | sontek: :) |
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| 18:12.14 | Gnutoo | sontek, he doesn't need that...this kind of hat won't protect him from the dvd consortium conspitation,fron the riaa the mpaa etc.... |
| 18:12.37 | Gnutoo | sontek, but he has another kind of hat: |
| 18:13.26 | lollydays | anyone know why qtopia registers my SIM but om2007.2 doesn't? |
| 18:14.46 | Gnutoo | sontek, a halo made from an old hard disk platter.... |
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| 18:17.32 | RXShorty | Hi all. |
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| 18:22.27 | sontek | how do you type an @ sign on the 2007.2 keyboard? |
| 18:22.55 | hhf423 | ebbe: I have a Neo 1973 since over a year. I am an OSS fan, I sometimes work in OSS project. But I hate FUD. and I hate FUD being used to "support" OSS |
| 18:24.13 | hhf423 | ebbe: but its funny, every time someone questions pro-OSS stuff, even if its FUD, someone comes along and supposes that they do not "belong" here. probably a religion thing... |
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| 18:27.28 | mjr | hates FUD about any and all strong and/or irrational beliefs being "religion" |
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| 18:29.45 | lollydays | qtopia registers my SIM within 10 seconds but the standard OM2007.2 image does not, why is that? |
| 18:34.25 | lpotter | qtopia rocks |
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| 18:35.14 | elgyn | FUCK ENGLAND FUCK ENGLAND FUCK ENGLAND FUCK ENGLAND FUCK ENGLAND |
| 18:35.20 | trix | i upgraded to om2007.2 0720 last night and the vibrator wouldn't stop after recving message and the dialer wouldn't dial |
| 18:35.31 | elgyn | trix: fuck you! |
| 18:35.49 | trix | go away troll |
| 18:36.03 | elgyn | trix: fuck your motha! you child of a bitch! |
| 18:36.19 | jtickle | anyone know where the code is for the wifi panel thing? |
| 18:36.22 | Toaster` | elgyn: you might want to try a football channel. There're more of your dort there |
| 18:36.30 | trix | does anyone know if those problems were corrected soon after the latest daily was put out? |
| 18:36.38 | cjb | elgyn: Please consider growing up. |
| 18:36.59 | elgyn | cjb: shut up or I will ...... you! |
| 18:37.20 | wibbit | It's amazing really |
| 18:37.34 | wibbit | to think four year old's are able to get online, and in to IRC channels |
| 18:37.45 | elgyn | I only say: Fuck England! And fuck america! And fuck all english people!!! |
| 18:38.09 | Toaster` | wibbit: please don't say that about 4y/o's. There are some rather nice ones :) |
| 18:38.10 | zedstar_ | had a bad experience in England eh? |
| 18:38.11 | Gnutoo | elgyn, so why are you speaking english |
| 18:38.25 | elgyn | wibbit: You´re full of shit! |
| 18:38.32 | trix | elgyn: go back to sending out winning lottery notices, loser |
| 18:38.42 | wibbit | Toaster`: I'm yet to be convinced of that :) |
| 18:38.54 | malik1972 | lpotter: ping |
| 18:38.55 | elgyn | trix: go home and kill yourself! |
| 18:39.04 | elgyn | You child of a bitch!!! |
| 18:39.16 | Toaster` | wibbit: fair enough. Though they are few and far between. |
| 18:39.18 | trix | what's the difference between Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image and openmoko-devel-image in the latest daily? or is there one? |
| 18:40.00 | Gnutoo | should we call someone from freenode? |
| 18:40.14 | trix | they look to be the same size but there's no docs i can find on the naming convention for releases |
| 18:40.15 | cjb | Gnutoo: he'll probably get bored soon. |
| 18:40.22 | Gnutoo | cjb, ok |
| 18:40.32 | sontek | anyone know where to get libjana from? |
| 18:40.34 | elgyn | I GIVE A SHIT ON THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE; ENGLAND; AUSTRALIA AND AMERICA! I fuck all them! |
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| 18:40.58 | malik1972 | elgyn: you are right, do you speak turkish? |
| 18:41.05 | zedstar_ | that was not technically correct English |
| 18:41.06 | Gnutoo | elgyn, so stop speaking english...or better stop speaking at all |
| 18:41.09 | wibbit | elgyn: why would you fuck some one you don't like? Let alone an entire nation |
| 18:41.22 | elgyn | I GIVE A SHIT ON ENGLISH!!! hahhahah |
| 18:41.52 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r1f94760aba1a 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] In a debug distro build enable logging |
| 18:41.52 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r73517f658ea9 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Put the words.dawg into the main package so it gets installed |
| 18:41.54 | elgyn | Scheiß-England! |
| 18:42.08 | lpotter | malik1972: pong |
| 18:42.30 | Toaster` | General question: is CIA-46 a commit bot or similar? |
| 18:42.46 | malik1972 | lpotter: i have a problem with the terminal application, there is a kind of invisible tab (spaces) |
| 18:43.00 | elgyn | Why all english people do fuck mother and father? |
| 18:43.11 | lpotter | thats because it isnt finding a fixed font. |
| 18:43.26 | Zorkman | does anybody else gets a fe errors with opkg update? |
| 18:43.29 | malik1972 | lpotter: how can i fix this |
| 18:43.43 | thewtex | Toaster`: yes |
| 18:43.44 | lpotter | i have a fixed font, but it is really tiny |
| 18:43.57 | malik1972 | toaster`: http://cia.vc/stats/project/openmoko |
| 18:44.07 | elgyn | FUCK ENGLAND FUCK ENGLAND FUCK ENGLAND FUCK ENGLAND FUCK ENGLAND FUCK ENGLAND FUCK ENGLAND |
| 18:44.09 | malik1972 | lpotter: but it worked before |
| 18:44.22 | lpotter | it did? when? |
| 18:44.36 | malik1972 | lpotter: whenever i tried it, i am sure |
| 18:45.03 | Gnutoo | how do i /ignore him...i tried several commands but that gave me the usage... |
| 18:45.10 | elgyn | lpotter: You are a very big asshole, you know? |
| 18:45.19 | Toaster` | Gnutoo: /ignore elgyn worked for me |
| 18:45.43 | elgyn | Toaster: Bumfucker! |
| 18:45.51 | Toaster` | Gnutoo: might be an irssi thing, not sure |
| 18:45.52 | cjb | elgyn: You are almost irritating enough to make me e-mail your ISP, Peter Rauter, letting them know that you're spewing racist crap. |
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| 18:46.07 | Zorkman | in konversation /ignore elgyn also works |
| 18:46.09 | Gnutoo | Toaster`, doesn't seems to work on xchat |
| 18:46.10 | cjb | elgyn: If you wish to continue being not irritating enough for that, I suggest leaving. |
| 18:46.24 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re57d6c82dfc6 10/packages/initscripts/initscripts_1.0.bb: [initscripts] Do not mix tabs and spaces, do not fail if the led-trigger is not available |
| 18:46.47 | happosade | anyone knows when pulster send a phones? |
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| 18:46.50 | Toaster` | Gnutoo: hrm, any ignore options when you r-click on his nick? I confess I haven't used xChat in a long time |
| 18:46.51 | elgyn | I´m not a racist! |
| 18:47.08 | cjb | elgyn: Your statements disagree. |
| 18:47.13 | phileasfogg | try /ignore -replies elgyn |
| 18:47.15 | elgyn | OK sorry. |
| 18:47.25 | cjb | elgyn: Please leave now. |
| 18:47.29 | Gnutoo | doesn't work |
| 18:47.29 | elgyn | No. |
| 18:47.30 | malik1972 | lpotter: so it was suprising, did some apm-s and more /proc/version some days ago |
| 18:47.46 | trix | from latest 2007.2 daily, can't dial any numbers - Dialer Error: Method "Dial" with signature "s" on interface "org.openmkoo.PhoneKit.Dialer" doesn't exist |
| 18:48.52 | Gnutoo | ah i found a ignore list... |
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| 18:49.50 | zedstar_ | good call on the whois! |
| 18:49.50 | Toaster` | Gnutoo: /ignore elgyn!*@* all from http://forum.xchat.org/viewtopic.php?t=3900&sid=cd8e77065daaad05d39a8a22190ca0a1 |
| 18:49.50 | malik1972 | lpotter: can i setup wpa2 from a terminal with wpa_supplicant, everything seems to be there |
| 18:49.50 | Gnutoo | Toaster`, thanks...i'll use it if he comes back.... |
| 18:49.50 | lpotter | malik1972: wpa_supplicant is broken |
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| 18:50.10 | Toaster` | Gnutoo: np |
| 18:50.13 | malik1972 | lpotter: for the kernel used or ... |
| 18:50.30 | lpotter | not sure, somewhere in the system though |
| 18:50.52 | malik1972 | lpotter: i had similar problems with 2007.2 and wpa2 |
| 18:50.52 | lpotter | doesnt work in 'official' kernels either |
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| 18:51.31 | malik1972 | lpotter: "ifdown usb0" solved my problem |
| 18:51.48 | Gnutoo | by the way does someone use his micro-sd card to store the OS? and if yes does tangogps work? |
| 18:51.56 | malik1972 | lpotter: will try it later with qtopia |
| 18:52.03 | lpotter | hmm.. |
| 18:52.07 | Zorkman | ? |
| 18:52.36 | Zorkman | question: is there anywhere a HOWTO for multibot ASU,2007.2, qtopia, FSO? |
| 18:52.58 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc940752b3d82 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/openmoko/led-trigger initscripts_1.0.bb): [openmoko] Add start up script for trigger AUX led |
| 18:52.59 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r3c653c4fec6a 10/packages/initscripts/initscripts_1.0.bb: [initscripts] Do not mix tabs and spaces, do not fail if the led-trigger is not available |
| 18:52.59 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1d6fb4b2c411 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] In a debug distro build enable logging |
| 18:53.00 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r0bb249b72ede 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Put the words.dawg into the main package so it gets installed |
| 18:53.04 | malik1972 | zorkman: you have to modify uboot env |
| 18:53.15 | Zorkman | yes, i know i will have to do that, |
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| 18:53.45 | Zorkman | but the problem is that i'm starting at zero knowledge, so I could only pull it off with a good guide somewhere on the internet :) |
| 18:54.03 | Zorkman | guess i'll just have to wait a bit, i've seen on the mailinlist that some people already have succeeded |
| 18:54.16 | malik1972 | zorkman: i can do it |
| 18:54.41 | malik1972 | zorkman: but it took me a weekend |
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| 18:55.11 | carrar | damn phone batteries during then night |
| 18:55.14 | Zorkman | malik1972: hehe, so i guess i'm in over my head :) |
| 18:55.14 | carrar | died |
| 18:55.16 | malik1972 | zorkman: uboot has some problems with ext on sdhc |
| 18:57.01 | malik1972 | zorkman: change the entry ext2 in uboot nand env to ext3, put the kernel to the first partition (fat) and the rootfs to the second (ext3) |
| 18:57.25 | malik1972 | zorkman: from there you can work on further boot menues |
| 18:58.33 | Zorkman | malik1972: i really appreciate your help, but i'm totally new at linux, so even with some very good pointers i'll get stuck |
| 18:58.46 | Zorkman | for example: if the wiki says to create or edit a file on the freerunner, how do i do this? |
| 18:58.55 | Zorkman | i know how to add a line to a file, but not how to edit it... |
| 18:59.04 | malik1972 | zorkman: wait some days zorkman, a newer uboot version will have improvements |
| 18:59.08 | Zorkman | thought it would be with "ed" or "pico" but that doesn't work |
| 18:59.18 | nullpuppy | arg. no wpa-supplicant on scaredycat's image and i can't seem to install it :/ |
| 18:59.50 | malik1972 | zorkman: do you have an usb connection to your neo, ssh and so on |
| 18:59.51 | peepsalot | what's a way I can search the list archives, if I haven't been subscribed the whole time? |
| 18:59.53 | Gnutoo | hello, there must be somebody that use the os on sd-card and gps(because i wonder if tangogps's map loading prevent it from getting a gps fix) |
| 18:59.57 | trix | Zorkman, only editor installed by default is `vi`, and it takes a bit to get used to |
| 18:59.59 | nullpuppy | Zorkman: you should have vi on the fr |
| 19:00.09 | Zorkman | yeah, and the neo is connected through the host to the internet |
| 19:00.17 | Zorkman | ko, thanks alot!! |
| 19:00.18 | nullpuppy | trix: meh, i've used vi lots, didn't take much to get used to ;) |
| 19:00.24 | malik1972 | zorkman: thats fine |
| 19:00.39 | trix | nullpuppy, yeah but it surely isn't a beginner's editor |
| 19:00.45 | malik1972 | zorkman: do u use konqueror? |
| 19:00.50 | nullpuppy | yeah, i suppose you have me there ;) |
| 19:01.03 | trix | :) |
| 19:01.18 | Zorkman | malik1972: konquerer is? a file browser? |
| 19:01.27 | Zorkman | (i only use the terminal at this time) |
| 19:01.28 | Gnutoo | trix, is busybox's vi like vim? or is it like the old vi? |
| 19:02.00 | malik1972 | zorkman: take an ftp client -> sftp://root@openmoko_ip |
| 19:02.00 | trix | standard vi i believe |
| 19:02.18 | malik1972 | zorkman: thats good for fast navigation |
| 19:02.22 | jtickle | so I'd like to flash my device, but want a backup first since it's working nicely at the moment; do I want 'dfu-util -a (kernel or rootfs) -U filename'? |
| 19:02.29 | Zorkman | super |
| 19:02.57 | nullpuppy | jtickle: that sounds right |
| 19:03.01 | malik1972 | zorkman: then u can pull over the corresponding files, modify them and put them back |
| 19:03.21 | jtickle | nullpuppy, cool |
| 19:04.00 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 19:04.09 | nullpuppy | decisions, decisions. |
| 19:04.21 | nullpuppy | wants wifi, might have to resort to standard daily build |
| 19:04.24 | Zorkman | malik1972: it asks for a password, but my freerunner doesn't have one, if i leave it blank it gives an error |
| 19:04.41 | malik1972 | zorkman: use bla or blue or whatever:-) |
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| 19:05.14 | Zorkman | it works, thanks |
| 19:06.18 | sontek | nullpuppy: I installed scaredycat, he did a lot of good things with it |
| 19:06.40 | Zorkman | malik1972: when i do opkg update it downloads a few files and after a while i get 404 errors, upkg upgrade does work; is this normal? |
| 19:06.42 | nullpuppy | sontek: yeah, i'm liking it |
| 19:06.48 | nullpuppy | seems a little slow though :/ |
| 19:06.54 | nullpuppy | (compared to the others i've used) |
| 19:07.21 | sontek | yeah, definitely slower |
| 19:07.28 | sontek | takes a few seconds just to connect to ssh over usb |
| 19:07.35 | malik1972 | zorkman: i have also errors with opkg |
| 19:07.40 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 19:07.42 | Zorkman | ok |
| 19:07.56 | malik1972 | zorkman: which image u use? |
| 19:08.03 | Zorkman | currently 2007.2 |
| 19:08.13 | Zorkman | because the asu image yesterday didn't work well |
| 19:08.22 | Zorkman | i want to try out the FSO and qtopia also |
| 19:08.32 | malik1972 | zorkman: the u can install some editors |
| 19:08.44 | nullpuppy | ok, too much effort to get wpa-supplicant working in scaredycat right now, /me reverts to an official daily build |
| 19:08.50 | sontek | Zorkman: FSO is useless :P it just has a dialer, no call history or anything |
| 19:09.24 | Zorkman | ok, then i'll skip it or install it when i do something horrendously wrong so that i have to reflash :) |
| 19:09.28 | sontek | nullpuppy: wpa doesn't work on scaredy cat? |
| 19:09.38 | nullpuppy | sontek: its not installed |
| 19:09.38 | Zorkman | what do you use malik? |
| 19:09.41 | malik1972 | zorkman: tried also all of them, wait 1 week for the next milestone of fso |
| 19:09.47 | nullpuppy | sontek: and trying to install it fails to grab the packages |
| 19:09.51 | sontek | ahh |
| 19:10.00 | nullpuppy | so i have to grab each on individually, and there seems to be several |
| 19:10.02 | Zorkman | malik 1972: (it keeps stating one week for next milestone ;-)) |
| 19:10.05 | malik1972 | zorkman: i use qtopia 4.x http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 |
| 19:10.28 | Zorkman | does wireless networking withouth a password work? |
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| 19:10.53 | nullpuppy | sontek: did you find out where the themes were stored btw? |
| 19:10.55 | malik1972 | zorkman: wireless works, so lpotter ...but wpa2 seems to be broken |
| 19:11.06 | nullpuppy | wants to save scaredycats theme if possible |
| 19:11.20 | Zorkman | and suspend? |
| 19:11.25 | malik1972 | zorkman: works |
| 19:11.28 | Zorkman | (because i really want to use this as my main phone) |
| 19:11.34 | sontek | nullpuppy: yeah, they are in /usr/share/themes |
| 19:11.43 | sontek | nullpuppy: I couldn't find his theme selector app anywhere though |
| 19:11.50 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 19:11.56 | malik1972 | zorkman: in that case try that and come back to the others with booting from sd |
| 19:11.57 | sontek | nullpuppy: he does have his own repo though, might be in there if we can figure out its name |
| 19:11.57 | nullpuppy | does some looking around before reflashing |
| 19:12.03 | nullpuppy | yeah |
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| 19:12.51 | malik1972 | zorkman: on the other hand you will only see the lack if you try all of them |
| 19:12.51 | sontek | I also noticed my phone charges when plugged into usb, it wasn't doing that on the daily builds |
| 19:12.59 | sontek | not sure if he tweaked it or if its broken in these newest builds |
| 19:13.06 | nullpuppy | really? huh, thats worked ok for me |
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| 19:13.38 | malik1972 | lpotter: one more thing ... if i get an sms in suspended mode the date is missing |
| 19:13.43 | sontek | and he has a twitter client =) which is nice, but there is no way to type an on the default kb :P |
| 19:14.05 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 19:14.06 | sontek | type '@' on the default kb* |
| 19:14.10 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 19:14.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * rbe7582ca55ee 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/ (vendor_ficgta01.cpp vendor_ficgta01_p.h): [ficgta01] Attempt to detect a dead/crashed/unusable TI Calypso and inform the user |
| 19:14.19 | nullpuppy | i keep switching to the matchbox keyboard |
| 19:14.29 | sontek | The matchbox is just to small for me |
| 19:14.44 | nullpuppy | yeah, i can understand that, its a bit tiny |
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| 19:14.55 | malik1972 | which keyboards are also usable? |
| 19:15.01 | sontek | we need a keyboard like the ASU or the iphone |
| 19:15.17 | malik1972 | for big fingers |
| 19:15.25 | sontek | malik1972: ASU's keyboard is the best I've found |
| 19:15.35 | sontek | malik1972: but I don't think you can install it in 2007.2 |
| 19:15.38 | malik1972 | there should be a choice of keyboards |
| 19:15.56 | malik1972 | sontek: do u stay with asu? |
| 19:16.13 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r60fbdd59bfeb 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get the CME ERROR: 512 modem dead detection |
| 19:16.52 | nullpuppy | sontek: appname is settheme :) |
| 19:17.20 | nullpuppy | sontek: all the apps are listed in /usr/share/applications (need .desktop files to show up in the menu) |
| 19:17.27 | sontek | malik1972: Right now i'm on 2007.2 because ASU from yesterday is broken |
| 19:17.43 | sontek | http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=iphone keyboard first video is a good demo of the iphone keyboard |
| 19:17.49 | sontek | I think they did really good |
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| 19:18.30 | sontek | the keys are very big and easy to touch type on |
| 19:18.42 | sontek | but you can also switch to a keyboard that shows numbers/characters |
| 19:18.55 | sontek | but putting them all on the screen at the same time makes it to small |
| 19:19.14 | sontek | I think the matchbox would be great if you rotated to widescreen and it got bigger |
| 19:19.35 | MadTBone | sontek: came in half way through discussion.... missed what you're referring to.... big keys? |
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| 19:20.35 | sontek | MadTBone: we are talking about how the 2007.2 default keyboard isn't helpful because it misses important keys like '/' in a terminal or '@' for most sites you need to login to |
| 19:20.50 | sontek | and how the matchbox keyboard is *really* small and impossible to use without the stylus |
| 19:21.11 | MadTBone | sontek: right...but are referencing an existing keybd w/ large keys? |
| 19:21.16 | MadTBone | sontek: or the ideal? |
| 19:21.44 | sontek | MadTBone: The one I was referencing was the iphones, which only displays qwerty by default |
| 19:21.51 | sontek | and then has a key to switch to characters/numbers |
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| 19:22.13 | MadTBone | sontek: ahh....right. I really think we should work on something similar. |
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| 19:22.55 | goldenhawk | Argh.. :/ I've been banging my head against this for hours. I don't get why pppd will connect with GPRS one out of 20 times, and the rest of the time it doesn't respond to ATZ |
| 19:23.35 | nullpuppy | hmm. anyone know where the boot image is stored? |
| 19:24.58 | goldenhawk | I don't get why cu -l /dev/ttySAC0 always works fine but pppd's chat scripts don't. |
| 19:26.06 | sontek | MadTBone: yeah, they have a larger screen so we'd have to scale it down a bit, but I think the design is perfect |
| 19:28.31 | MadTBone | sontek: I think we should just overlay a keyboard in landscape mode...if you want to type a lot, just turn the phone sideways and type on big keys...don't have to worry about rotating the entire WM...just make the keyboard sideways with a single line up top to view text to be inserted |
| 19:28.52 | MadTBone | sontek: WM = window manager |
| 19:31.11 | sontek | MadTBone: that makes sense |
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| 19:32.29 | MadTBone | I mean... we even have accelerometers to detect the sideways phone...walrustown had code to make use of them.... detect rotation = keyboard...that makes for simple usability |
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| 19:32.51 | Zorkman | when trying to flash from NOR i get : Cannot claim interface: could not claim interface 2: Operation not permitted |
| 19:32.59 | MadTBone | Zorkman: sudo |
| 19:33.36 | ^^MAg^^ | Hi, I just wanted to try openmoko in qemu - make qemu compiles openmoko, and starts qemu but interface is strange |
| 19:33.58 | goldenhawk | Is anyone here using GPRS? |
| 19:34.14 | sontek | goldenhawk: I couldn't get it to work |
| 19:34.17 | sontek | would like to use it though |
| 19:34.20 | goldenhawk | I just don't get why it's intermittentlike this |
| 19:34.27 | ^^MAg^^ | "No network" and 4 icons - clicking on them does nothing |
| 19:34.34 | sontek | if its intermittent, its better than I could get |
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| 19:34.49 | thewtex | ^^MAg^^: the mokomakefile is a bit messy/messed up |
| 19:34.57 | goldenhawk | Barely. One in twenty times will it even listen when I do an ATZ |
| 19:35.09 | goldenhawk | From pppd |
| 19:35.13 | thewtex | ^^MAg^^: that is the qtopia image frome qtopia.net |
| 19:35.20 | goldenhawk | Works fine from a serial console |
| 19:35.35 | thewtex | ^^MAg^^: it did not work for me either in qemu, but works great on a freerunner |
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| 19:36.30 | ^^MAg^^ | damn, I wwanted to try this before buying |
| 19:36.34 | jco | hi, I see the FreeRunner has a "Stylus" pen thing, does it have character recognition (i.e. writing with the pen) or is it just to click on screen buttons? |
| 19:39.13 | thewtex | ^^MAg^^: development is moving very rapidly and is very much so a work in progress--what you see now probably much different that what will be available in a few weeks time |
| 19:39.18 | Toaster` | ^^MAg^^: I found that the image that is pulled with the mokomake file doesn't work. I had to grab a more recent 1973 image. I think the wiki has explainations |
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| 19:39.20 | goldenhawk | ^^MAg^^: Check out the bottom of this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu |
| 19:39.34 | jtickle | nullpuppy, the image that produced is 8.0M... the downloadable kernel is 1.7M |
| 19:39.41 | jtickle | nullpuppy, any idea of how I can verify the backup? |
| 19:39.45 | goldenhawk | ^^MAg^^ I haven't tried it myself, but it seems like it would work.. it tells it to download a different image for qemu |
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| 19:39.56 | jtickle | nullpuppy, at least for the kernel, haven't done rootfs yet |
| 19:40.36 | thewtex | jco: on the qtopia image, they have character recognition, but I can't get it to work very well |
| 19:40.52 | thewtex | jco: the qtopia image has a really neat predictive keyboard |
| 19:41.23 | jco | thewtex: what do you mean by "predictive keyboard"? |
| 19:41.33 | ^^MAg^^ | goldenhawk: thx, will try this |
| 19:41.54 | ^^MAg^^ | 50M yeah, this looks like a real piece of software |
| 19:42.04 | ^^MAg^^ | something makefile downloaded was a lot smaller |
| 19:42.26 | MadTBone | sontek: I think that the big problem with the kind of keyboard I described is that 2007.2 uses matchbox for window management... matchbox only allows one window visible at a time |
| 19:42.47 | thewtex | jco: they have a qwerty keyboard-- you type a work and don't necessary have to exactly hit the right keys but gives you suggestions on the most probable match and you pick a suggestion |
| 19:43.28 | rddDavid51 | ^^MAg^^: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu#Problems worked for me |
| 19:43.47 | ^^MAg^^ | rddDavid51: thx, goldenhawk allready pointed me there |
| 19:44.09 | nullpuppy | jtickle: for the kernel, that looks right. for the rootfs, looks WAY to small... |
| 19:44.15 | jco | thewtex: oh, I see... thanks for the info |
| 19:44.19 | rddDavid51 | ^^MAg^^: I've been able to run ASU, FSO and OM ... with this tips |
| 19:44.29 | nullpuppy | jtickle: unfortunately, i don't know how you'd verify without reflashing it :/ |
| 19:44.42 | jtickle | nullpuppy, heh indeed |
| 19:44.54 | jtickle | nullpuppy, that was the kernel, the rootfs is definitely growing appropriately |
| 19:45.08 | nullpuppy | cool |
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| 19:47.32 | jtickle | nullpuppy, where do I go to actually get ASU? downloads.openmoko.org/asu? |
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| 19:49.54 | jtickle | nullpuppy, never mind, found it |
| 19:51.24 | T0o0T | hi is this a common issue? after standby (battery almost empty) I can't boot the phone anymore. |
| 19:52.12 | T0o0T | opening the case and removing the battery for a short while is the only way to boot again |
| 19:52.34 | T0o0T | using the default setup |
| 19:52.58 | SpeedEvil | You need to shake some charge loose. |
| 19:53.16 | SpeedEvil | Attach a 1m string to the lanyard hole, and whirl it round your head for a couple of minutes. |
| 19:53.40 | SpeedEvil | Seriously, battery managment is very well a work in progress. |
| 19:54.23 | T0o0T | I was already whirling :) |
| 19:55.01 | cjb | hum. I wonder if there's a lightweight C library for detecting/joining wifi networks on Linux. |
| 19:55.18 | ecraven | do we have FSO milestone 2 yet? |
| 19:55.25 | MadTBone | ecraven: no |
| 19:55.45 | T0o0T | I know the battery management sucks right now. Is ASU better than 2007.2 on this point? |
| 19:55.58 | MadTBone | ecraven: but I think that GIT may be quite a bit ahead of milestone 1 .... at least on the framework end |
| 19:56.25 | MadTBone | T0o0T: I find ASU worse for batt life |
| 19:56.30 | sontek | cjb: lets write one =) I haven't wrote C since college :P been all C# and Python at work |
| 19:56.49 | cjb | sontek: I don't want to; it's been done too many times before. |
| 19:57.03 | cjb | would rather find an upstream "libwireless" that we can attach ourselves to. |
| 19:57.23 | cjb | there's a lot of hairiness around encryption types and so on that no-one should ever have to write code to deal with again :) |
| 19:57.28 | T0o0T | Ok. thanks. |
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| 19:58.14 | sontek | cjb: pfft, nobody uses anything but wpa2 ;P |
| 19:59.41 | sontek | cjb: but it'd probably be easy enough to just wrap iwconfig/iwlist |
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| 20:00.10 | retracile | yippee! I got GPS working :) |
| 20:00.22 | retracile | has never had a GPS device before |
| 20:00.32 | mjr | has. The 1973 :] |
| 20:00.38 | sontek | cjb: it detects the encryption the network is running and everything |
| 20:00.49 | retracile | mjr: heh |
| 20:01.19 | retracile | TTFF was 177s |
| 20:01.51 | retracile | ... and early on, it was claiming 1081992448 sats. O_o |
| 20:02.02 | retracile | (now claims 12) |
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| 20:03.09 | mjr | the 12 sounds more accurate |
| 20:03.28 | retracile | ya think? |
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| 20:03.47 | retracile | I just figured that the Chinese space program had hit its stride ;) |
| 20:04.10 | thewtex | retracile: has discover the alien invasion |
| 20:04.10 | SpeedEvil | That - 108... looks suspeiciously like a timestamp from something confused. |
| 20:06.27 | Toaster` | retracile: odd comment about the Chinese space program, considering GPS is American. :) Beidou (Chinese GPS) is still experimental FWIW. |
| 20:06.29 | retracile | SpeedEvil: it'd have to be a few years in the past though... |
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| 20:07.11 | SpeedEvil | Thu 15 Apr 2004 02:27:28 AM BST |
| 20:07.15 | SpeedEvil | At a rough guess. |
| 20:07.29 | retracile | Toaster`: 'Twas a poor joke. They're working on it, and they have a /lot/ of people. |
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| 20:07.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r4543 10/developers/werner/poke/ (. Makefile poke.c): Quick and dirty utility to peek into registers and to tweak them. |
| 20:08.26 | sontek | cjb: http://www.random-works.co.uk/xwconfig/ |
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| 20:08.46 | sontek | cjb: Doesn't look like its maintained anymore, but its a GTK wrapper around iwconfig |
| 20:08.49 | sontek | cjb: could start there |
| 20:08.54 | cjb | sontek: so that, it's from 2001 and GTK1 |
| 20:08.58 | cjb | so not directly useful |
| 20:09.04 | cjb | (GTK2 is not backwards-compatible.) |
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| 20:09.33 | Toaster` | I know, as do the Eurpoeans with Galileo. It would be awesome to have a future neo that tapped into all four major ones (US, Russia, Europe, China) to get very good accurracy. |
| 20:09.59 | Toaster` | s/Eurpoeans/Europeans/ oops |
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| 20:11.10 | Zorkman | qtopia gives Host key verification failed. whe ni try to ssh |
| 20:11.55 | Zorkman | lpotter, you know how to overcome this i presume? |
| 20:12.16 | thewtex | Zorkman: check out the wiki |
| 20:12.18 | Toaster` | cjb: regarding wifi apps, is there not a python interface for network-manager that could be adapted? |
| 20:12.27 | Zorkman | ok, sorry |
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| 20:14.08 | thewtex | Zorkman: whenever you flash, it generates a new key |
| 20:14.21 | Zorkman | "Host key verification failed" site:openmoko.org gives nothing on google |
| 20:14.37 | thewtex | Zorkman: so you either have to delete the key manually, or never save the key in the first place |
| 20:15.13 | ebbe | Zorkman: Key is saved in ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 20:16.24 | thewtex | Zorkman: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Changing_host_keys |
| 20:16.46 | n2o | cjb: i have never tried it but there is http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/all/wifi-radar_1.9.6-r2_all.ipk |
| 20:16.53 | thewtex | Zorkman: but you want to delete the lne from ~/.ssh/known_hosts as ebbe said |
| 20:17.23 | Zorkman | thank you |
| 20:19.02 | Zorkman | now i just have to find where that .ssh map is located... |
| 20:19.16 | cjb | n2o: it's written in Python |
| 20:19.43 | cjb | and wifi panel applets can't be Python. so while it'll work, it doesn't solve the problem of getting a wifi GUI in the base OS. |
| 20:20.52 | Toaster` | cjb: panel applets have to be C? |
| 20:21.08 | n2o | cjb: ah i just stubled over it during surfing thru the reps |
| 20:22.26 | Zorkman | twebtex: i searched in the filebrowser for ssh but i found nothing, where is this folder located? |
| 20:22.35 | cjb | Toaster`: seems so. got any data that disagrees? |
| 20:23.03 | ebbe | Zorkman: The ~/.ssh? |
| 20:23.21 | thewtex | Zorkman: look on your desktop, not the phone |
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| 20:23.33 | Zorkman | i'm searching on my host computer |
| 20:23.44 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r1945408d64aa 10/packages/efl1/efreet_cvs.bb: [efl] Package efreet-trash separately to keep having a libefreet0 |
| 20:23.44 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8ddd5c5d244f 10/packages/efl1/efreet_cvs.bb: [efl] To avoid future issues also set the LEAD_SONAME |
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| 20:23.49 | ebbe | Zorkman: Write 'cd ~/.ssh' |
| 20:24.14 | Zorkman | i feel very stupid :) |
| 20:24.23 | Zorkman | i always got cd ~/.ssh |
| 20:26.22 | thewtex | anyone tried using the headsets that come with a group order |
| 20:26.47 | Toaster` | cjb: none, I'm trying to learn more about adding tools. Scripting I can do reasonably well, whereas my C is non-existent. |
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| 20:34.41 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r4544 10/developers/werner/poke/poke.c: Added word size selection. |
| 20:34.51 | carrar | Do I want desktop or server if I am gonna build a ubuntu machine to work with the openmoko? |
| 20:35.44 | daMaestro | doesn't matter |
| 20:35.48 | daMaestro | likely desktop |
| 20:36.05 | carrar | downloading |
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| 20:45.06 | Zorkman | agps-gui does not work with qtopia image, is this correct? |
| 20:45.19 | Zorkman | it lacks a lot of depencies |
| 20:46.48 | leinir | That's not why - agps-gui requires an x server, and the qtopia image doesn't have one such, it runs directly on the framebuffer :) |
| 20:47.22 | Zorkman | ah, i see |
| 20:47.29 | Zorkman | so is there a gps app for qtopia? |
| 20:47.35 | leinir | Not yet :) |
| 20:47.38 | Zorkman | tango gps? with gpsd? |
| 20:47.42 | Zorkman | ok, thanks |
| 20:47.43 | leinir | We're waiting for the 4.4 release :) |
| 20:47.57 | Zorkman | also: i'm besides my laptap that is connected to a wireless network that is not secured |
| 20:48.03 | LionKMP | openmoko qutopia you mean? is that framebuffer based?? |
| 20:48.06 | Zorkman | but how do i connect to it with the freerunner? i cant find it |
| 20:48.17 | Zorkman | (nee, qtopia from qtopia.net) |
| 20:48.32 | LionKMP | ah, ok. yes, that is. :) |
| 20:48.38 | lpotter | actuallly there are two gps apps for Qtopia, thye just need compiling/fixing for the neo |
| 20:49.19 | Zorkman | lpotter: it really looks nice and is much faster then asu or 2007.2, i like it! |
| 20:49.30 | leinir | LionKMP: No, since that one's called ASU and not qtopia :) |
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| 20:49.51 | LionKMP | leinir: ok, thx. (yes, that's how I knew it too) |
| 20:50.01 | Zorkman | lpotter: where can i find what to do to make unsecure wireless work? |
| 20:50.17 | thewtex | Zorkman: I could not get wireless to work with qtopia, and according to an entry on the mailing lists it is not working at this time |
| 20:50.26 | Zorkman | ok |
| 20:50.52 | Zorkman | are there webbrowsers that i can install? (for internet through the host pc?) |
| 20:51.00 | leinir | Zorkman: No, also waiting for 4.4 :) |
| 20:51.14 | nullpuppy | huh |
| 20:51.32 | Zorkman | ok, i'll keep an eye out for 4.4 :) |
| 20:51.35 | thewtex | is it still true that the kernel does not have default support for ext2? |
| 20:51.40 | nullpuppy | installing matchbox-keyboard-applet on 2007.2 daily gives Cannot Find package e error. |
| 20:51.42 | thewtex | I want to boot from sd |
| 20:52.11 | Kensan | thewtex: Andy Green just lately changed the defconfigs but I am not sure if the images get built based on these configs. |
| 20:52.13 | thewtex | i thought ext2 was much better for flash because of the journeling in ext3 |
| 20:52.22 | leinir | lpotter: Hey, now i've got you, any idea how to fiddle the qtopia image's keyboard layout to support Danish characters? :) (æ, ø and å) |
| 20:52.28 | thewtex | Kensan: thanks |
| 20:52.59 | Kensan | thewtex: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commit;h=642cbda5f3b7e7a61512426e1d30a41ab4691123 |
| 20:53.23 | Kensan | thewtex: it's in the stable branch so you could try a kernel that was built within the last 2 days. |
| 20:53.25 | thewtex | Kensan: thanks |
| 20:53.41 | thewtex | cool |
| 20:53.45 | lpotter | leinir: not real sure |
| 20:53.49 | Zorkman | sftp://root@192.168.0.202/ doesn't work with qtopia... (i can log in through terminal) is this normal? |
| 20:53.58 | Zorkman | i want to upload an mp3 file and try to play it |
| 20:54.46 | leinir | Zorkman: i can confirm it doesn't work properly in kde4 anyway, but shell connections work through midnight commander :) |
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| 20:54.53 | leinir | lpotter: Hehe, ok :) |
| 20:55.45 | Kensan | Zorkman: does scp work? |
| 20:57.07 | Zorkman | lpotter: do i need to place the mp3 somewhere specific to be able to play it? |
| 20:57.36 | Zorkman | Kensan: how do i scp? |
| 20:57.43 | Zorkman | scp:// ? |
| 20:57.53 | leinir | scp is a command line tool, Zorkman :) |
| 20:58.11 | LionKMP | fish://user@host in Konqueror file manager |
| 20:58.25 | sontek | the mediaplayer needs a lot of work, you have to create a playlist to play any songs, and you can't remove songs from the play lists |
| 20:58.44 | Kensan | scp $file root@102.168.0.202:/path/to/copy/file/to |
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| 20:59.09 | Kensan | 192.168.0.202 rather |
| 20:59.10 | goldenhawk | continues so bang his head against this pppd GPRS problem |
| 20:59.34 | goldenhawk | I use 'cu -l /dev/ttySAC0' and I can do the whole dialing process |
| 20:59.39 | goldenhawk | But the chat script just freezes. |
| 20:59.55 | goldenhawk | Gives me 'blah blah ready' but doesn't respond to ATZ |
| 21:00.14 | Kensan | Zorkman: or what LionKMP said :) |
| 21:00.31 | DocCod | goldenhawk: is there any other process using the gsm modem? |
| 21:00.32 | Zorkman | thanks |
| 21:00.40 | goldenhawk | DocCod: No |
| 21:00.49 | goldenhawk | DocCod: according to lsof, nothing. |
| 21:00.57 | almien | is there a list somewhere of games that you can get from opkg?# |
| 21:01.00 | goldenhawk | I turned off gsmd |
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| 21:01.27 | DocCod | goldenhawk: try powering off the modem and then on again, and dial after this |
| 21:01.34 | goldenhawk | That's what I do. |
| 21:01.37 | DocCod | goldenhawk: had to do this sometimes myself |
| 21:01.45 | goldenhawk | The script does that. |
| 21:01.48 | DocCod | ah, ok |
| 21:01.55 | goldenhawk | The script I use to connect I mean :( |
| 21:02.01 | DocCod | goldenhawk: are u using om2007 or asu? |
| 21:02.08 | goldenhawk | 2007.2 |
| 21:02.14 | Kensan | almein: you could go through the openembedded repository: http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=tree;f=packages;h=93156e7343d3ea76ad485203eff651be4d8db385;hb=org.openmoko.dev |
| 21:02.18 | goldenhawk | I didn't like ASU |
| 21:02.39 | leinir | goldenhawk: Well, neither does the guy programming it, so that's ok ;) |
| 21:02.46 | DocCod | i heard that more ppl had trouble undr om while it worked under asu |
| 21:02.56 | goldenhawk | Hmm. |
| 21:03.02 | leinir | (well, the guy programming the window manager at any rate) |
| 21:03.20 | DocCod | but i don't really see why it would make a difference if you killed gsmd |
| 21:03.40 | DocCod | as nothing else should be using the modem |
| 21:03.43 | goldenhawk | Maybe I could replace the pppd on my phone with the ASU one? |
| 21:04.04 | DocCod | i think they are the same |
| 21:04.05 | DocCod | om and asu share the base system |
| 21:04.08 | goldenhawk | Hm. |
| 21:04.11 | almien | Kensan: useful list, although something with more categorised browsing might be nice |
| 21:04.38 | nullpuppy | ok, how the heck do you enable ssh over wifi? |
| 21:04.45 | Kensan | almien: I agree, but that's as much as I can offer ;) |
| 21:04.50 | DocCod | i could imagine that gsmd does some havoc on the modem, but that should be gone when powering it off |
| 21:05.15 | almien | nullpuppy: I did ssh into phone over wifi without special changes |
| 21:05.23 | Kensan | almien: install scummvm and open pandora's box ;) |
| 21:05.32 | nullpuppy | almien: hrm, wierd |
| 21:05.47 | nullpuppy | i can get in via usb without a problem, with ssh, it can't find the host :/ |
| 21:05.47 | almien | Kensan: thanks. seen a few games there. omg someone ran GIMP on a phone? |
| 21:06.00 | goldenhawk | I can also enter the stuff into 'cu -l /dev/ttySAC0' manually |
| 21:06.00 | goldenhawk | And it never fails. |
| 21:06.12 | almien | nullpuppy: you actually know its IP address on the wifi network? |
| 21:06.13 | DocCod | goldenhawk: maybe it's a timing problem |
| 21:06.14 | goldenhawk | Or if I typo something it at least tells me something went wrong.. with the chat script, I see absolutely notihng. |
| 21:06.18 | nullpuppy | almien: yup |
| 21:06.25 | goldenhawk | Except for a consistant 'blah blah ready' always comes up. |
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| 21:06.30 | goldenhawk | In the chat script output |
| 21:06.54 | pantsd_ | so I'm trying to compile an app which needs to link against ssl, is there a way to avoid cross-compiling openssl (or an explanation of how to get openssl to ccross compile)? |
| 21:06.57 | goldenhawk | DocCod: What kind of timing problem, do you think? |
| 21:07.29 | DocCod | goldenhawk: well sometimes the modem needs more time to process an instruction and is not yet ready when chat sends along the next command |
| 21:07.34 | Kensan | almien: openembedded is not only for phones, but there's some cool things in the repo. More than people know I fear. |
| 21:07.41 | DocCod | although it gave it's ready or ok |
| 21:07.53 | goldenhawk | DocCod: I tried inserting delays into the chat script. |
| 21:07.59 | Kensan | almien: btw Minisip is a voip-client, if you want to give it a shot ;) |
| 21:08.01 | DocCod | i saw some kernel changes relating to this recently |
| 21:08.23 | goldenhawk | DocCod: orly? I recently upgraded my kernel to get rid of the GPS SD card problem. |
| 21:08.40 | DocCod | goldenhawk: then those changes should already be in there |
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| 21:08.47 | almien | Kensan: more worried about emacs - try typing ctrl-meta-leftpedal-A on the neo keypad... |
| 21:08.56 | goldenhawk | *sigh* |
| 21:09.25 | almien | voip... that's the sort of thing OM will be good for. I'm not planning to have a regular network connection on mine though |
| 21:09.30 | goldenhawk | has tried everything :/ gsmd can talk to the modem fine.. cu can talk to the modem fine.. pppd gives the first line to the chat script and that's it except SOMETIMES it works. |
| 21:09.37 | goldenhawk | Like one in 20 to 50 tries. |
| 21:09.37 | DocCod | i can give u a link to how i did it on asu, maybe it gives you a new idea |
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| 21:09.48 | Kensan | almien: well there's ssh and bluetooth/usb keyboards... |
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| 21:10.07 | almien | yeah I'm getting a USB to miniUSB adapter |
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| 21:10.47 | DocCod | goldenhawk: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=295 |
| 21:11.12 | DocCod | goldenhawk: i set it up with the multiplexer, maybe you can play around a bit with that? |
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| 21:12.52 | goldenhawk | Oh neat! I wasn't aware there was any progress out there with the multiplexing |
| 21:13.23 | goldenhawk | Thanks DocCod I'll look into that.. maybe I could kill two birds with one stone. |
| 21:13.25 | DocCod | goldenhawk: works very nice here |
| 21:14.03 | DocCod | but i haven't tried on om2007 |
| 21:14.06 | DocCod | only on asu |
| 21:14.48 | goldenhawk | So what's the deal with the different distributions? Is one more actively developed than the others? |
| 21:15.57 | DocCod | goldenhawk: om2007 is "abandonware" and asu is the new target for a stable system |
| 21:16.10 | goldenhawk | Interesting. |
| 21:16.22 | DocCod | but asu is still alpha state |
| 21:16.40 | goldenhawk | I could tell :p |
| 21:16.42 | pjz | anyone got a pointer to the how-to-boot-if-your-battery's-totally-flat instructions? |
| 21:17.31 | LionKMP | doesn't it charge in that case? |
| 21:17.41 | daMaestro | pjz, plug it into the AC adaptor and wait |
| 21:18.19 | daMaestro | pjz, it needs to have enough juice to get almost all the way booted before it will start using AC again |
| 21:19.07 | almien | pjz: someone mentioned it was similar to batteries used by another famous mobile-phone manufacturer |
| 21:19.49 | daMaestro | yes, it is |
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| 21:23.21 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: Are you there ? |
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| 21:26.57 | thewtex_ | if the 256 NAND Flash integrated has the rootfs on it, I only need at most a 256 MB rootfs partition on my SD card if I want to boot from it, right? |
| 21:28.30 | daMaestro | thewtex_, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
| 21:29.04 | thewtex_ | daMaestro: yes, I'm there not, but it says only create two partitions: kernel and rootfs |
| 21:29.21 | thewtex_ | daMaestro: should it not say 3 - kernel, rootfs, data? |
| 21:29.25 | balrog-k1n | you should be able to boot even with a 64MB card |
| 21:29.47 | daMaestro | thewtex_, dunno... it is a wiki and all.. you could try and find out ;-) |
| 21:29.55 | daMaestro | thewtex_, and then update the wiki page ;-) |
| 21:30.03 | thewtex_ | daMaestro: will do :-) |
| 21:30.15 | pantsd_ | how would I go about getting openssl into my openmoko dev enviroment? |
| 21:31.32 | *** part/#openmoko DocCod (n=doctomoe@78.141.149.232) |
| 21:31.34 | Ainulindale | pantsd_: in the host or target system ? |
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| 21:32.09 | pantsd_ | on my host (in the toolchain enviroment) |
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| 21:33.22 | pantsd_ | have an application that I want to link against openssl ftw |
| 21:33.38 | Ainulindale | Mokomakefile/bitbake or toolchain ? |
| 21:34.09 | pantsd_ | toolchain |
| 21:34.30 | Ainulindale | Can't help you then, sorry :-) |
| 21:34.34 | pantsd_ | should I be using one of the other ways of building packages? |
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| 21:40.58 | Kensan | thewtex_: the rootfs currently contains all "data". |
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| 21:41.17 | Ainulindale | pantsd_: That's your choice |
| 21:41.25 | Kensan | thewtex_: you can make arbitrary additional partitions and mount them wherever you like. |
| 21:41.27 | Ainulindale | I only used mokomakefile and bitbake |
| 21:41.40 | LionKMP | Ainulindale: did you succeed to build the whole OE? |
| 21:41.50 | Ainulindale | yep |
| 21:42.14 | LionKMP | cool. it always fails for me after some hours. :) did you do it with recent checkout? |
| 21:42.44 | Ainulindale | I don't know, it has less than a week |
| 21:43.01 | Ainulindale | My OE.mtn timestamp is from the 13th |
| 21:43.03 | LionKMP | ok, I'll try sometime (last I tried was more than 2 weeks I think) |
| 21:43.16 | LionKMP | thanks |
| 21:43.26 | thewtex_ | Kensan: it would be much easier to keep all personal data on a separate partition, a functional home partition, so it is not all lost during flashes |
| 21:44.33 | thewtex_ | Kensan: or that is accessible from a boot on the NAND and the SD |
| 21:44.39 | Kensan | thewtex_: indeed. Since it's all developer stuff now nobody cares about usability ;) |
| 21:46.35 | thewtex_ | the SD does have a purpose, no? In normal use it should not sit idle |
| 21:47.12 | LionKMP | ln -s your root home to it, doesn't that work? |
| 21:47.27 | Kensan | thewtex_: yes, but it seems everybody else is busy with other stuff. |
| 21:47.35 | pantsd_ | yays I think I figured out how to get openssl to compile for the toolchain env :) |
| 21:47.41 | pantsd_ | now to celibrate with coffee :) |
| 21:47.41 | daMaestro | thewtex_, the only issue with booting from that SD (that i can see) is that the gpu bus is shared with the SD card |
| 21:47.54 | daMaestro | thewtex_, so there might be some negative performance issues |
| 21:47.54 | LionKMP | pantsd_: hey, explain before the coffee :) |
| 21:48.01 | Kensan | LionKMP: putting /home/ on it would make more sense because sometime down the road we want to get away from being root and creating a user etc. |
| 21:48.14 | thewtex_ | daMaestro: hmm thanks for the info |
| 21:48.34 | LionKMP | Kensan: yep, but I guess root home is not in /home/ so my comment still stands :) |
| 21:48.37 | thewtex_ | LionKMP: I suppose you could do that, or maybe change /etc/fstab? |
| 21:48.57 | pantsd_ | LionKMP: edit makefile and find all the places where it explicitly says [foo] = gcc and replace with [foo] = $(CC) |
| 21:49.17 | pantsd_ | I have no idea why they hardcoded that stuff |
| 21:49.27 | pantsd_ | also make sure you configure with noasm & nohw |
| 21:49.29 | LionKMP | yep, I see, thanks. |
| 21:49.39 | thewtex_ | LionKMP: my root home is in /home, which is odd, and it is odd that we run as root as Kensan points out |
| 21:50.01 | Kensan | LionKMP: no, root is /root ;) but you wouldn't want to simply make a symbolic link. |
| 21:50.55 | thewtex_ | Kensan: I am on qtopia right now, so maybe that is why my root is at /home/root |
| 21:51.01 | Kensan | thewtex_: it eases development. Now that the FR is in many peoples hands and not just developers that should change within a reasonable timeframe... |
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| 21:51.28 | Kensan | thewtex_: hm interesting. maybe. I don't know :) |
| 21:52.01 | thewtex_ | Kensan: do you have the headset? does it work for you? |
| 21:52.11 | thewtex_ | or anyone else for that matter? |
| 21:52.38 | Kensan | thewtex_: I have never tried... I didn't buy the Neo to make phonecalls ;) at least for now |
| 21:53.09 | thewtex_ | Kensan: what did you buy it for? |
| 21:53.18 | LionKMP | for recharging :) |
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| 21:56.04 | Kensan | thewtex_: the possibilities of such a hackable device are numerous :) Toying around, doing a little coding, learn a bit about embedded linux etc. |
| 21:57.55 | mmaestri | hi |
| 21:59.15 | thewtex_ | Kensan: cool :-) |
| 21:59.20 | thewtex_ | hey mmaestri |
| 21:59.58 | Dave | Greetings friends |
| 22:00.33 | mmaestri | UPS sucks. Big time. |
| 22:00.41 | thewtex_ | yo daMaestro |
| 22:00.45 | thewtex_ | yo Dave |
| 22:00.55 | thewtex_ | mmaestri: still waiting? |
| 22:01.23 | daMaestro | Dave, yo yo |
| 22:01.58 | Dave | what's poppin'? |
| 22:02.10 | mmaestri | It was expected 2 days ago |
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| 22:04.17 | Dave | hoenoes |
| 22:04.19 | Dave | ecraven =[ |
| 22:04.27 | davi | The FreeRunner GSM and GPS Linux kernel BLOBs are free software? I have heard it is not. |
| 22:04.44 | mmaestri | And UPS phone support is beyond bad |
| 22:05.24 | davi | Is the FreeRunner Linux kernel 100% free software, or has it some GSM and GPS non-free software BLOBs? |
| 22:05.27 | leinir | davi: The GSM module is closed for a very simple reason - if that stuff was released, due to how badly the GSM network is designed, you could potentially kill the carrier's entire network by issuing the wrong command ;) |
| 22:05.37 | Dave | -BLOB- |
| 22:05.44 | leinir | So: Everything that can be opened is open :) |
| 22:05.54 | Dave | Ah, goodnight Joerg :) |
| 22:06.09 | jOERG_zzZZzz | n8 Dave |
| 22:07.41 | davi | leinir, I understand about GSM. Does the GPS driver use some non-free software BLOB? |
| 22:07.42 | Dave | :] |
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| 22:08.16 | leinir | No, not that i know of :) |
| 22:08.26 | davi | thanks leinir |
| 22:08.47 | leinir | Rest assured, that anything that can be opened for the freerunner is opened :) |
| 22:08.53 | goldenhawk | DocCod: Well the multiplexer didn't seem to work out for me. gsmd connects to the multiplexer's device file but the multiplexer just gives 'Write to a channel which wasn't acked to be open.' if it tries to do anything. Apparantly the multiplexer isn't working. *sigh* I'm having such bad luck. I mean, it seems like the same multiplexing software as ASU, and I don't think the kernels vary at all between ASU and om2007 .. but still it doesn't wor |
| 22:08.53 | goldenhawk | k. |
| 22:09.34 | davi | leinir, Is the 3G network badly designed too? so will it require that the driver be non-free too? |
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| 22:10.44 | Kensan | davi: the telco industry is strongly regulated. There probably won't be an open 3G chip in the forseable future. |
| 22:10.59 | davi | I see. |
| 22:11.03 | Kensan | davi: it's actually the same reason for the current situation with the GSM chip. |
| 22:11.30 | davi | Is it about law to regulate the bands? |
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| 22:15.47 | davi | Is there any dead line for GTA03? |
| 22:16.27 | thewtex_ | davi: I waited a year and a half for the GTA02, do not wait for it if you are going to get one |
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| 22:17.42 | davi | So, maybe I will wait a little more up to some of the hardware and software problem of the GTA02 be fixed |
| 22:18.46 | Kensan | davi: What is it you are looking for? If you are looking for an "everyday" smartphone that you can use right now: hold off. |
| 22:19.06 | balrog-k1n | there is no deadline so far,a nd i hope they won't be making any official predictions anymore |
| 22:19.15 | balrog-k1n | seeing as the predictions always fail :) |
| 22:19.22 | almien | the software problems don't affect when you buy the phone (update the software anytime) - only hardware problems |
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| 22:20.34 | Kensan | almien: but it is important to have the "right" expectations. Otherwise one will be disappointed. |
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| 22:25.25 | davi | Kensan, I am looking for an: GSM phone + GPS + good screen resolution, but small, to be able to hack a little + radio + camera + be able to record sound + be able to record video + USB + Wifi |
| 22:26.22 | davi | TV/TDT via external antenna would be a plus. |
| 22:26.30 | goldenhawk | ASU has some pretty bad video performance on my freerunner. |
| 22:26.38 | goldenhawk | It doesn't even sync to vblank :/ |
| 22:26.42 | daMaestro | goldenhawk, yeah.. the image i flashed to has that issue also |
| 22:26.49 | Kensan | davi: the Freerunner might be able to cover all that functionality BUT it will take a lot of time. Plus the FR has no camera. |
| 22:27.18 | davi | Kensan, has it FM? |
| 22:27.26 | davi | radio? |
| 22:27.34 | _newbie3 | no |
| 22:27.46 | Kensan | davi: no, but there might be hardware mods in the works. |
| 22:27.58 | Kensan | davi: it's an open phone after all ;) |
| 22:28.06 | goldenhawk | You can probably plug a radio and/or camera dongle into it. Although I guess that kinda defeats the purpose. |
| 22:28.29 | thewtex_ | davi: radio over wifi ;-) |
| 22:28.41 | trix | what do you guys think it would take to get xvid support in the media player? |
| 22:28.41 | davi | Kensan, TDT via USB? |
| 22:28.51 | Kensan | davi: TDT? |
| 22:29.39 | davi | Kensan, Terrestrial Digital TV |
| 22:30.38 | Kensan | davi: right... no :) |
| 22:30.40 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.40 | Stroller | Evening, all |
| 22:30.42 | Stroller | waves |
| 22:31.08 | thewtex_ | hi Stroller |
| 22:31.10 | Kensan | davi: well usb works in host-mode without providing power so basically you can plugin any self-powered usbdevice |
| 22:31.11 | Stroller | davi: I have always known that as DVB-T |
| 22:31.31 | davi | Stroller, you are right |
| 22:31.32 | _newbie3 | the FR even has powered usb host, no? |
| 22:31.39 | _newbie3 | but still usb 1.x... |
| 22:31.52 | Stroller | You could get DVB via USB dongle on the Freerunner |
| 22:31.57 | MadTBone | anyone know the filename of the ringtone on ASU? I can't seem to find an audio file in the filesystem? |
| 22:31.57 | Stroller | Definately |
| 22:32.21 | davi | Stroller, that is very good news |
| 22:32.27 | goldenhawk | Does anyone know what motivated the switch to ASU? |
| 22:32.43 | Stroller | I've enquired about FM, though, and I think the chances of a future model are quite low, unless there is suddenly high take up in India or something like that |
| 22:33.04 | bobkare | Stroller: usb 1.1 will have enough bandwidth for that? |
| 22:33.11 | _newbie3 | on the Freerunner |
| 22:33.25 | _newbie3 | on the Freerunner |
| 22:33.31 | Stroller | Camera is covered in next version. I estimate at least 9 months, tho' |
| 22:33.34 | _newbie3 | i doubt there's a sane way to do DVB on the Freerunner |
| 22:33.42 | davi | I hope the Freerunner price will go down a little more. It is too much expensive to me now |
| 22:33.52 | Stroller | bobkare: ah! Now there's a bloody good question. Excuse me for overlooking that aspect. |
| 22:33.52 | davi | Stroller, I can wait 9 months :) |
| 22:34.15 | Stroller | I think you should expect price to rise, rather than fall. |
| 22:34.26 | davi | why? |
| 22:34.39 | davi | ! |
| 22:35.11 | Kensan | goldenhawk: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
| 22:35.25 | Stroller | Because the price is too good at the moment, TBH |
| 22:38.15 | davi | I hope GTA03 has a more impeccable design, ad the iphone for example, being rectangular instead of so much round |
| 22:38.22 | davi | as* |
| 22:38.32 | Stroller | No chance |
| 22:38.44 | davi | more shin |
| 22:38.47 | davi | too |
| 22:38.48 | Stroller | GTA03 will be same form-factor, I'm really sure |
| 22:39.48 | davi | Well, ... why not try to improve it a little, at least the casing? |
| 22:40.04 | thewtex_ | davi: who says the iphone is an improvement |
| 22:40.10 | Stroller | The case is about the most expensive part |
| 22:40.15 | thewtex_ | it is just add brainwashing by apple |
| 22:40.24 | thewtex_ | ad |
| 22:40.26 | thewtex_ | advertising |
| 22:40.33 | thewtex_ | I like the styles |
| 22:40.33 | davi | thewtex_, iphone has thinner borders |
| 22:41.08 | thewtex_ | davi: you can not take the iphone apart as easily |
| 22:41.58 | thewtex_ | Stroller: the case is expensive? I would not expect that -- it is only plastic |
| 22:42.20 | Stroller | AIUI it's the cost of machining the moulds |
| 22:42.32 | kd8ikt | evening |
| 22:42.35 | thewtex_ | Stroller: I ordered one of the scratch coatings, hopefully they come with that |
| 22:42.43 | thewtex_ | Stroller: oh, ok, that makes sense |
| 22:42.50 | Stroller | Hey, kd8ikt |
| 22:43.26 | Kensan | thewtex_: it's the mould, not the case pre se |
| 22:44.12 | davi | iphone is 11.6 mm wide, while Freerunner is wider, 18.5 mm. |
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| 22:45.10 | davi | So, more problem to keep it inside a small pocket. |
| 22:45.45 | Stroller | Oh, FFS |
| 22:45.46 | kd8ikt | prepares for a latest flash |
| 22:46.09 | daMaestro | proposes no more iphone v freerunner conversation as it's a waste of time for those reading this channel |
| 22:46.10 | thewtex_ | davi: I have kept phones and even smaller mp3 players before in my pocket -- not a good idea |
| 22:46.11 | Stroller | davi: the Freerunner is almost identical in size to my Sony Ericsson P990i |
| 22:46.48 | Stroller | wishes you could get kicked for making iphone v freerunner comparisons |
| 22:46.51 | Kensan | davi: the CAD-Files are open too, so maybe some thirdparty will develop a different casing an sell it. |
| 22:47.04 | kd8ikt | yeah lets get a bot that kicks anyone that says iphone |
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| 22:47.18 | davi | Kensan, that is good news |
| 22:47.44 | Kensan | Stroller: well it's the current "hot thing" on the market so I guess things can be learned from it... Apple did something right with that thing. |
| 22:47.55 | davi | I like a lot the Freerunner screen resolution, 640x480, being better than the one of the iphone. |
| 22:48.24 | thewtex_ | davi: the screen is beautiful |
| 22:48.46 | Stroller | Kensan: maybe, but the people who say this are never those who are contributing to Openmoko. Mostly it's people who aren't able to contribute, so it's all hot air |
| 22:49.00 | Kensan | Stroller: eventhough the iPhone and the freerunner are very different in many aspects. |
| 22:49.23 | thewtex_ | Stroller: agreed |
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| 22:49.33 | Kensan | Stroller: that might be true, but I guess there could be a grain of truth in these "never ending" ramblings. |
| 22:50.04 | davi | iphone is a closed and proprietary phone, so I will _never_ buy or recommend it. I am just exposing feedback, so maybe the next openmoko phone will be even better! |
| 22:50.16 | davi | thewtex_, do you have already one? |
| 22:50.25 | thewtex_ | davi: please take no offense, nice to have you in the channel :-) |
| 22:50.32 | thewtex_ | davi: got it a few days ago :-) |
| 22:50.58 | davi | no problem thewtex_ |
| 22:51.10 | Kensan | Stroller: but yes, it gets annoying ;) |
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| 22:51.33 | thewtex_ | btw this channel rocks -- 375 nicks |
| 22:51.37 | thewtex_ | cool peeps |
| 22:51.40 | Stroller | Kensan: you don't need to tell me that |
| 22:51.40 | davi | just feedback, no more. night |
| 22:51.52 | thewtex_ | nigel_c: davi |
| 22:52.23 | thewtex_ | s/nigel_c/night |
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| 22:53.48 | orzo | hello |
| 22:53.55 | orzo | I want to flash a new image of openmoko |
| 22:54.03 | orzo | I figure a kernel and a root image |
| 22:54.36 | orzo | uImage is the kernel, but the kernel, but what is the name of the root file system? looking at: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080720/ |
| 22:55.02 | Kensan | orzo: do you have a Neo1973? |
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| 22:55.11 | kd8ikt | .jffs orzo |
| 22:55.17 | orzo | yes, i have gta1 |
| 22:55.28 | Kensan | orzo: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080720/Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080720-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 22:55.45 | kd8ikt | rootfs.jffs |
| 22:55.47 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 22:55.48 | Kensan | .rootfs.jffs2 is the hint ;) |
| 22:55.54 | kd8ikt | read |
| 22:56.09 | orzo | hm |
| 22:56.19 | kd8ikt | Starting download: [########## |
| 22:56.20 | orzo | odd |
| 22:56.23 | orzo | i could swear that wasnt there |
| 22:56.25 | kd8ikt | is flashing rootfs now |
| 22:56.30 | orzo | i hit reload and i see it |
| 22:57.02 | kd8ikt | ... |
| 22:57.08 | Kensan | well I am off. Happy hacking. |
| 22:57.25 | thewtex_ | l8r Kensan |
| 22:57.41 | orzo | doesn't teh jffs2 image go with a different kernel image than the rootfs.tar.gz image? |
| 22:57.59 | orzo | I would think the kernel would need to know the rootfs filesystem |
| 22:58.12 | MadTBone | can someone running 2007.2 do an lsmod and put the output on pastebin (unless it's just a line or 2) |
| 22:58.45 | orzo | my devel environment is hopelessly old |
| 22:59.07 | orzo | is there a quicker way to get a devel environment for openmoko without building the entire OS ? |
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| 22:59.45 | IguanaNed | HI ALl |
| 23:00.06 | IguanaNed | just wondering if anyone knows where to download qtopia desktop from.. link does not resolve |
| 23:01.22 | orzo | i see images for freerunner labled qtopia on the openmoko site |
| 23:02.00 | thewtex_ | orzo: qtopia-x11 is different from qtopia |
| 23:02.04 | orzo | ok |
| 23:02.21 | thewtex_ | orzo: qtopia-x11 = ASU |
| 23:02.28 | orzo | how come its not available for gta01 |
| 23:03.08 | thewtex_ | the gta01 does not have the graphics card if I remember correctly |
| 23:03.16 | orzo | oh |
| 23:03.42 | orzo | i had to get a different sim card for my neo |
| 23:03.47 | orzo | but i never activated it |
| 23:04.22 | orzo | is the reason the neo doesnt work with certain cards due to a software bug that will eventually be fixed, or is it a permanent? |
| 23:05.48 | Stroller | unknown, I think |
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| 23:06.25 | nullpuppy | grr, damn maps don't want to load in tangogps :/ |
| 23:06.57 | nullpuppy | ok, better, taht took forever... |
| 23:10.02 | orzo | well, it seems i cannot turn my neo on |
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| 23:15.03 | torero | anyone knows where is the VMware image menctioned in wiki:Host-based_development_with_Xoo_and_Xephyr?? |
| 23:15.25 | torero | i tried building in ubuntu but weird things happened |
| 23:16.05 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r9677abbba970 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ogpsd: Implemented most of the Gypsy interface |
| 23:17.34 | torero | mkay ill try tomorrow, nite |
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| 23:30.59 | thewtex_ | installed kernel support for usbtty and must reboot |
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| 23:42.15 | IguanaNed | Anyone know where to get Qtopia Desktop? |
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| 23:54.14 | Subfusc | IguanaNed, the image is in the same folder as the daily builds |
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