| 00:00.09 | Infinyt1 | Ah, good point. |
| 00:00.13 | Stroller | Wosshappening, Dave ? |
| 00:00.26 | Dave | Hallo :] |
| 00:01.10 | Centaur5 | Infinyt1: They updated instructions for that on the wiki yesterday under getting started. |
| 00:01.20 | Infinyt1 | Ah okay. |
| 00:01.29 | Infinyt1 | Arr, brb. Rebooting. |
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| 00:06.35 | kd8ikt | aw man made a moko video for youtube, and they crapped the quality bigtime |
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| 00:07.18 | kd8ikt | yet it probably has near cd audio :P |
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| 00:12.23 | Infinyt1 | Back. |
| 00:12.42 | Dave | hehe |
| 00:12.51 | feitingen | Infinyt1: to set the date, i'd recommend ntpdate |
| 00:13.12 | feitingen | date/time |
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| 00:17.43 | kd8ikt | dont forget timezone |
| 00:18.18 | Infinyt1 | Kay. |
| 00:18.27 | Infinyt1 | Also, what am I doing wrong here? I keep getting this: ssh: connect to host openmoko port 22: No route to host |
| 00:19.16 | simon_cm | What's your ip for usb0 on your desktop? |
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| 00:19.38 | Infinyt1 | Um |
| 00:19.44 | Infinyt1 | I dunno. >_> |
| 00:19.47 | kd8ikt | ifconfig |
| 00:19.52 | simon_cm | ifconfig usb0 ... |
| 00:20.27 | Infinyt1 | Sorry, I'm just a simple user who likes opensource stuff. ^^; |
| 00:20.32 | Infinyt1 | It's uhh 192.168.0.200 |
| 00:20.54 | simon_cm | Ok, and what address are you trying to ssh to? |
| 00:21.09 | Infinyt1 | I was just copying from the Wiki |
| 00:21.16 | Infinyt1 | # scp minimo_* root@openmoko:/tmp |
| 00:21.34 | Infinyt1 | I suppose, I should replace openmoko with the IP? |
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| 00:21.46 | simon_cm | try replacing openmoko with 192.168.0.202 |
| 00:22.00 | cjb | just answered a call on his FR that he _didn't already know he was going to get_. |
| 00:22.03 | kd8ikt | or export openmoko=192.yadayada |
| 00:22.07 | cjb | it was shocking. |
| 00:22.11 | kd8ikt | oh wait no |
| 00:22.21 | kd8ikt | alias openmoko |
| 00:22.34 | Infinyt1 | Ah |
| 00:22.37 | Infinyt1 | I got it to work |
| 00:22.38 | kd8ikt | ? i dont/havent used alias |
| 00:22.47 | Infinyt1 | sudo scp minimo_* root@192.168.0.202:/tmp |
| 00:22.50 | Infinyt1 | hoorah :D |
| 00:22.50 | simon_cm | kd8ikt; I don't think so; he would have to add it to his host file |
| 00:23.22 | kd8ikt | oh yeah duh |
| 00:23.28 | kd8ikt | hostname |
| 00:23.40 | CVirus | cjb: what does it sound like ? |
| 00:23.45 | CVirus | is the sound clear ? |
| 00:23.57 | cjb | CVirus: seems so |
| 00:24.13 | simon_cm | or define a variable with export like you said, but replace 'openmoko' with '$openmoko' in his command |
| 00:24.13 | CVirus | cool |
| 00:24.13 | cjb | my wife didn't complain about the sound quality |
| 00:24.13 | cjb | and I heard her fine |
| 00:24.28 | CVirus | I think you're the first to get such a call |
| 00:24.29 | CVirus | hehe |
| 00:24.45 | kd8ikt | i invited interference complaints because i asked (bad idea) |
| 00:25.01 | kd8ikt | "hows my sound quality" |
| 00:25.10 | Infinyt1 | Hrm.. Now I got this: ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for minimo: |
| 00:25.10 | Infinyt1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:25.27 | kd8ikt | whats minimo |
| 00:25.33 | CVirus | a browser |
| 00:25.42 | Infinyt1 | Yeah |
| 00:25.47 | simon_cm | portable firefox (mozilla) I guess? |
| 00:25.47 | CVirus | http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/ |
| 00:25.55 | kd8ikt | ah |
| 00:26.26 | Centaur5 | Infinyt1: it automatically got that dependency for me when I connected it to the net |
| 00:26.37 | Infinyt1 | Hmmm.. |
| 00:26.43 | Infinyt1 | Maybe I'm not connected? |
| 00:26.44 | Infinyt1 | o_O |
| 00:27.09 | kd8ikt | nope |
| 00:27.10 | Centaur5 | Infinyt1: I did follow the instructions from the wiki and it worked just as it said. |
| 00:27.17 | Infinyt1 | Hmm |
| 00:27.19 | kd8ikt | got a wireless router around? |
| 00:27.22 | Infinyt1 | Aye |
| 00:27.43 | simon_cm | Well, you would have to configure packet forwarding and NAT, to connect your phone to the Internet via your desktop USB port... |
| 00:28.02 | kd8ikt | major hassle |
| 00:28.04 | Infinyt1 | Hmm, I'd rather use my Wifi router |
| 00:28.15 | Psi | hm.. is there a list somewhere of the developers/programmers who work at openmoko? (i'm trying to add mailing list filters so i can separate them from everyone else) |
| 00:28.29 | kd8ikt | and install whats it called? campwifi? |
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| 00:28.54 | Centaur5 | kd8ikt: What is campwifi? |
| 00:29.13 | kd8ikt | gui wifi iinterface |
| 00:29.19 | Infinyt1 | Oo, sounds good. |
| 00:29.23 | Infinyt1 | Lesse if I can find it |
| 00:29.35 | Centaur5 | kd8ikt: Cool, I'm going to look for it then. :) |
| 00:29.36 | kd8ikt | donno about WPA/WEP stuff |
| 00:29.50 | Centaur5 | kd8ikt: I've been using command line. |
| 00:29.53 | kd8ikt | i have yet to use it but its description was for open ap's |
| 00:30.24 | kd8ikt | i'll warwalk with it sometime and play with it |
| 00:30.44 | Infinyt1 | Hrm, not finding it anywhere |
| 00:30.58 | kd8ikt | did you update opgk? |
| 00:31.19 | Infinyt1 | Yeah, erm.. But I tend to get a lot of errors. I think they're just Sig errors though |
| 00:31.38 | Infinyt1 | Lemme try again |
| 00:32.25 | Infinyt1 | Yeh it keeps giving me this kinda error: Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/Packages.gz, error 0 |
| 00:32.49 | simon_cm | Ok; I just did an opkg update && opkg upgrade on my phone, rebooted, and I still can't get an outgoing call to work :( |
| 00:34.02 | simon_cm | is there a way to make a call in command line, to see if I can get some usefull output? |
| 00:34.03 | kd8ikt | Infinyt1: can you ping google? |
| 00:34.07 | kd8ikt | via the phone |
| 00:34.14 | Infinyt1 | I tried that earlier; Nope |
| 00:35.04 | kd8ikt | iwconfig eth0 essid yourAP ; udhcpc eth0 |
| 00:35.28 | Infinyt1 | Wazzat? |
| 00:35.31 | kd8ikt | wow minimo is installing a bunch of depends |
| 00:35.49 | Psi | nevermind, just searched for anyone with an @openmoko address in the list |
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| 00:36.39 | Infinyt1 | Kinda funny when Google doesn't Ping |
| 00:38.17 | simon_cm | Anyone; Any idea why I wouldn't be able to make a call, while I have no problem receiving one? |
| 00:39.13 | Infinyt1 | There like, a quick way I can get the phone online to install campwifi? |
| 00:39.28 | kd8ikt | lol just use iwconfig |
| 00:39.34 | kd8ikt | via the shell |
| 00:39.41 | Infinyt1 | How's that work? |
| 00:39.48 | kd8ikt | iwconfig eth0 essid yourAP ; udhcpc eth0 |
| 00:39.53 | Infinyt1 | >_> Ahhh |
| 00:39.54 | kd8ikt | is it encrypted? |
| 00:40.01 | Infinyt1 | Shouldn't be |
| 00:40.08 | kd8ikt | then thats all you need |
| 00:40.08 | Infinyt1 | I'm to lazy to encrypt stuff |
| 00:40.16 | Infinyt1 | Ooo |
| 00:40.49 | Infinyt1 | What's with the yourAP thing? |
| 00:40.54 | kd8ikt | tup |
| 00:40.59 | kd8ikt | ssid |
| 00:41.11 | Infinyt1 | Do I need to replace it with something, or leave it just as you wrote it? |
| 00:41.19 | kd8ikt | your accesspoint has an ssid what is it |
| 00:41.32 | Infinyt1 | Ah right, I know this one.. |
| 00:41.32 | kd8ikt | omfg i hope your kidding |
| 00:41.38 | Infinyt1 | Err.. just TheRouter |
| 00:42.20 | Infinyt1 | Haha sorry, like I said I'm just a basic end user. >_> |
| 00:43.05 | kd8ikt | welll that shit had better change or start asking questions first in #linux |
| 00:43.16 | kd8ikt | or ask google |
| 00:43.52 | Infinyt1 | <_< |
| 00:43.53 | simon_cm | Common kd8ikt; if you do not want to help him, you do not have to... |
| 00:44.12 | kd8ikt | i help those who help themselves |
| 00:44.44 | kd8ikt | <-god |
| 00:44.46 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 00:44.53 | simon_cm | To bad you can't help me with my problem :/ |
| 00:45.04 | kd8ikt | god has his own problems today |
| 00:45.37 | kd8ikt | damn touchpad isnt callibrated right on portrait mode and i cant think of where to start. Xorg.conf? |
| 00:45.49 | kd8ikt | er i mean landscape |
| 00:46.30 | Marcel_M | simon_cm: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM |
| 00:47.11 | Infinyt1 | Doh, that wasn't my SSID. Bahaha |
| 00:47.21 | kd8ikt | iwlist scan |
| 00:47.32 | Infinyt1 | There we go |
| 00:47.39 | Infinyt1 | Thanke kd8. <3 you :D |
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| 00:54.36 | kd8ikt | well this sucks the keyboard on minimo isnt working for me |
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| 00:56.58 | chillywilly | howdy |
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| 00:57.54 | chillywilly | lpotter: *poke* |
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| 01:00.25 | goldenhawk | How long does it normally take to get a fix with GPS? |
| 01:00.45 | Psi | depends |
| 01:01.09 | Psi | gta01 or 02? |
| 01:01.38 | kd8ikt | takes me less then a min in optimal settings |
| 01:01.46 | kd8ikt | ie outside ;) |
| 01:01.47 | goldenhawk | freerunner |
| 01:03.24 | SpeedEvil | For GTA01, a refix after being down 1 min takes about 11s |
| 01:04.10 | goldenhawk | That's faster than I've ever seen my freerunner do. It tends to take between 1 and 10 minutes. |
| 01:04.38 | SpeedEvil | That's after killing gllin, and then restarting it 1 min later. |
| 01:04.44 | SpeedEvil | Without powering off the GPS. |
| 01:04.52 | SpeedEvil | Basically the absolute best case. |
| 01:04.52 | goldenhawk | Oh! |
| 01:04.55 | goldenhawk | I see :) |
| 01:05.50 | chillywilly | runs an 'opkg update' |
| 01:05.52 | Psi | how long should gta01 take from cold power on |
| 01:05.56 | chillywilly | er upgrade too |
| 01:06.12 | SpeedEvil | Psi: I was about to test that actually |
| 01:06.12 | goldenhawk | So is like 1 minute best case outdoors and like 3-5 minutes best case indoors pretty normal performance? |
| 01:06.28 | SpeedEvil | AGPS will help lots. |
| 01:06.32 | SpeedEvil | (indoors) |
| 01:06.42 | ieatlint | outdoors can be a lot less than a minute |
| 01:06.54 | Psi | can gta01 support AGPS too, or just gta02? |
| 01:07.03 | ieatlint | this morning, waiting for a bus, i got a fix on my gta02 in 35 seconds |
| 01:07.07 | SpeedEvil | GTA01 can too - but I'm not sure it's implemetned |
| 01:07.09 | goldenhawk | Ah yes the program I'm using calls itself agps ui |
| 01:07.25 | ieatlint | it calls itself agps ui, but it doesn't use agps |
| 01:07.33 | goldenhawk | Hm! |
| 01:07.52 | goldenhawk | Is there one that I can use for testing which does? |
| 01:07.54 | ieatlint | i think that's kind of a "it will, eventually" deal |
| 01:08.14 | ieatlint | i don't believe so, but i'm not authority on the matter |
| 01:08.22 | goldenhawk | *nod* |
| 01:08.25 | ieatlint | be happy, really, as this means you got those fixes without agps ... |
| 01:08.28 | dcordes_ | somebody got experience with tsc2003 touchscreens and tslib configuration? |
| 01:08.33 | ieatlint | with agps... :) |
| 01:09.43 | ieatlint | it is quite annoying that people must eat so often |
| 01:09.52 | Infinyt1 | Isn't it? |
| 01:10.19 | ieatlint | yeah, 2-3 times a day... it's bullshit |
| 01:10.22 | Tsing1 | unless you like to eat. |
| 01:10.38 | Infinyt1 | P'Zones will ease your misery ieatlint |
| 01:10.41 | Tsing1 | but I can eat once a day. |
| 01:10.56 | ieatlint | wtf is p'zones? |
| 01:11.14 | Infinyt1 | Hmm, don't have a PizzaHut near where you live? |
| 01:11.24 | ieatlint | oh, yeah, unfortunately :P |
| 01:11.35 | ieatlint | where are you? |
| 01:11.44 | Infinyt1 | Nebraska |
| 01:11.45 | ieatlint | because if you're in europe... pizzahut is a whole different thing |
| 01:11.48 | Infinyt1 | In the USA |
| 01:12.04 | ieatlint | yeah, unlike most americans, i know nebraska is a state ;) |
| 01:12.10 | ieatlint | and i can locate it on a map!! |
| 01:13.01 | Tsing1 | What does Nebraska mean anyway? What a weird name. |
| 01:13.21 | Infinyt1 | Not a clue |
| 01:13.26 | ieatlint | perhaps nothing |
| 01:13.30 | ieatlint | california doesn't mean a damned thing |
| 01:14.17 | Tsing1 | I live in Ottawa, most of the names around here are indian, or some european hangover. |
| 01:14.45 | ieatlint | oh, apparently it's named by the french |
| 01:15.00 | ieatlint | run on sentence: "Several explorers from across Europe explored the lands that became Nebraska. In 1682 Ren?-Robert Cavelier claimed the area first when he name all the territory drained by the Mississippi River and its tributaries for France, naming it the Louisiana Territory. In 1714 Etienne de Bourgmont traveled from the mouth of the Missouri River in Montana to the mouth of the Platte River, which he called the Nebraskier River, becoming the f |
| 01:15.00 | ieatlint | irst person to approximate the state?s name." |
| 01:15.35 | ieatlint | blame the french |
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| 01:16.54 | Tsing1 | Nebraska means "Flat Water" Indian. |
| 01:17.33 | ieatlint | ok, blame the french and native americans |
| 01:17.34 | ieatlint | bastards |
| 01:17.38 | Tsing1 | ?? Nebraska gets its name from a Chiwere word meaning "flat water," after the Platte River that flows through the state. |
| 01:18.00 | Tsing1 | Jury is out on California, devoted all the time I care to :) |
| 01:18.33 | ieatlint | "Bourgemont traveled to the mouth of the Platte River (which he named the Nebraskier River for the Otoe tribe name for "flat water")" |
| 01:18.46 | ieatlint | so it is from the otoe tribe, but so-named by a frenchie |
| 01:18.48 | Tsing1 | I never heard of the Chiwre indians, maybe they came from France. |
| 01:19.30 | ieatlint | we blame spain for our name, and they don't even know what it means |
| 01:20.01 | Tsing1 | yeah, I figured it was Spanish. |
| 01:20.33 | Tsing1 | Well, Spain has been over run by so many invaders they prolly don't remember where half their words come from. |
| 01:21.59 | ieatlint | well, maybe they should give catalonia back then |
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| 01:27.33 | linuxxr | 12 seconds shutdown sweet |
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| 01:29.54 | jOERG_rw | huh, 12sec? |
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| 01:30.58 | jOERG_rw | seen taking 2sec. no more |
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| 01:40.08 | Infinyt1 | Hmm.. Where's campwifi located? opkg install campwifi yields an error with a return value 2 |
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| 01:57.01 | Infinyt1 | Hrm.. |
| 01:57.49 | Infinyt1 | Anyone gotten this? : Could not obtain administrative lock |
| 01:58.05 | dcordes_ | Infinyt1: on what operation? |
| 01:58.18 | *** part/#openmoko toggles (n=tommy@pool-70-17-182-123.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 01:58.21 | Infinyt1 | opkg update or install or upgrade |
| 01:58.34 | dcordes_ | do you run it as root? |
| 01:58.51 | Infinyt1 | Aye, root@om-gta02:~# |
| 01:59.32 | dcordes_ | is root able to write to /var/lock/? |
| 01:59.54 | dcordes_ | is another opkg process running? |
| 02:00.21 | Infinyt1 | Ah, hmm. That might be. |
| 02:00.32 | Infinyt1 | But if it is I don't have the terminal up anymore |
| 02:04.03 | Infinyt1 | I'll just try restarting |
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| 02:07.51 | Infinyt1 | Kay, restarting it worked. |
| 02:09.58 | Infinyt1 | The QWERTY keyboard is awesome |
| 02:10.09 | dcordes_ | I bet in the background some opkg was going on that was in command of the lockfile |
| 02:10.16 | Infinyt1 | Yeah prolly. |
| 02:10.31 | Infinyt1 | For future reference, any way to kill an off-screen opkg on the spot? |
| 02:10.39 | dcordes_ | killall |
| 02:10.56 | Infinyt1 | Makes sense. |
| 02:10.57 | Infinyt1 | >_> |
| 02:11.00 | dcordes_ | but you might break things that way |
| 02:11.10 | dcordes_ | better not assume it's happening again :) |
| 02:11.18 | Infinyt1 | Aye. xP |
| 02:11.28 | Infinyt1 | Hey, have you gotten campwifi to install? |
| 02:11.30 | dcordes_ | are you on freerunner? |
| 02:11.38 | Infinyt1 | Yup |
| 02:11.41 | dcordes_ | I have no moko device, sorry |
| 02:11.44 | Infinyt1 | Ah |
| 02:11.48 | dcordes_ | and never used campwifi |
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| 02:12.57 | nullpuppy | with the new daily kernel/builds is there anything that needs to be set to utilize the new sd card/gps fixes? |
| 02:13.44 | cjb | nullpuppy: nope |
| 02:13.52 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 02:13.53 | cjb | seems to be working here, got a fix with SD in all the way home |
| 02:13.59 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 02:14.04 | nullpuppy | how long did it take you to get a fix? |
| 02:14.18 | cjb | maybe 3-4 mins |
| 02:14.27 | Infinyt1 | What GPS program you guys using? |
| 02:14.30 | cjb | little longer than usual, but it was outside my office with buildings nearby |
| 02:14.32 | cjb | tangogps |
| 02:14.34 | cjb | I love it |
| 02:14.40 | Infinyt1 | Hehe tango. |
| 02:14.43 | dcordes_ | isn't the freerunner gps thing a hardware issue? |
| 02:14.52 | cjb | dcordes_: worked around in software, like most hardware issues. |
| 02:14.54 | roh | man... yahoo has... issues... |
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| 02:14.58 | dcordes_ | I have seen some wiki article that detailed on messing around with the antenna. |
| 02:15.09 | cjb | oh, that doesn't seem to be a widespred problem |
| 02:15.12 | Infinyt1 | roh: What else is new? |
| 02:15.32 | nullpuppy | cjb: alright. |
| 02:16.30 | linuxxr | why does it say registering... |
| 02:16.37 | roh | https://monitor.openmoko.org/munin/chandra/sita.openmoko.org-exim_mailqueue.html |
| 02:16.51 | roh | see that graph? thats yahoo not taking our mail atm... |
| 02:17.31 | Infinyt1 | Seems to be a widespread problem with Yahoo. |
| 02:17.40 | linuxxr | not a good sim i guess? |
| 02:18.28 | roh | if you have a bad sim or one thats good and others have issues with the same carrier: please make a photo of the contacts and label it 'working' or 'notworking' and more details of what happens |
| 02:18.48 | peepsalot | i have had inconsistent success getting my sim to register. sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't |
| 02:19.07 | roh | currently it looks very likely as that there are problems with some series of gemplus sims (across different carriers) |
| 02:20.05 | retracile | get a few thousand geeks with open phones and there's no telling what you'll learn about the cell phone network. :) |
| 02:20.08 | Infinyt1 | I sure hope mine'll work when I get it.. |
| 02:20.39 | Infinyt1 | Oh, question. Should I get a screen cover, or is it safe to just use the screen itself? |
| 02:21.52 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Infinyt1: yes - unless you don't mind scratches. |
| 02:22.09 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Infinyt1: most people experience scratches on the scren if they don't use ont. |
| 02:22.23 | Infinyt1 | I do. >_> Any recommendations? |
| 02:22.51 | Infinyt1 | I doubt there's any sized specifically for the Freerunner |
| 02:22.52 | retracile | Infinyt1: someone in the channel's selling some. Might even by Sp33d3v1l3r |
| 02:23.05 | dcordes_ | Infinyt1: I can suggest ebay display cover mafia |
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| 02:23.28 | retracile | Anyone have opinons on the invisible shield one? |
| 02:23.54 | swc|206 | /DCC SEND MOKOFRIGGINROXMANFORSURE |
| 02:24.08 | linuxxr | should not need anything but putting in the sim an booting correct? |
| 02:24.13 | cjb | correct |
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| 02:24.36 | linuxxr | maybe a couple of reboots? |
| 02:25.03 | peepsalot | man, just bought an 8gb microsd, and the sd reader for my desktop doesn't even read it |
| 02:25.11 | Sp33d3v1l3r | I'm offering one that fits for only $5 shipped (screen protector) |
| 02:26.32 | cjb | downloads >50M of OSM maps. woo. |
| 02:27.41 | cjb | speaking of which, the effect of downloading maps to an SD card with tangogps open appears to be that it thinks I'm moving 8km/hr |
| 02:27.46 | Infinyt1 | Sp33d: Where do I sign? |
| 02:28.15 | Infinyt1 | Sp33d: Err, I'm the the USA by the way, not sure if that makes a difference. |
| 02:28.38 | nullpuppy | cjb: hehe, yeah, tango thinks i'm moving too when its stationary.. |
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| 02:28.57 | SpeedEvil | Infinyt1: other ID - PM to either Sp33d3v1l3r, or me. |
| 02:29.04 | nullpuppy | so.. what do you need to do to grab osm maps onto the fr? |
| 02:29.15 | SpeedEvil | Infinyt1: send paypal, and it arrives in the post in a week. |
| 02:29.22 | SpeedEvil | nullpuppy: tangogps |
| 02:29.30 | nullpuppy | right, ok |
| 02:29.31 | nullpuppy | got that |
| 02:29.43 | CVirus | Sp33d3v1l3r: I'm in Egypt |
| 02:29.50 | CVirus | do I get free shipping too ? |
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| 02:30.55 | SpeedEvil | Yes, anyone. |
| 02:31.25 | CVirus | ! |
| 02:31.43 | CVirus | how come |
| 02:31.45 | cjb | nullpuppy: tap the screen, choose "Map download" |
| 02:31.49 | cjb | hm, no |
| 02:31.51 | cjb | first go to config |
| 02:31.58 | cjb | and change the repo location to /media/card/Maps |
| 02:32.21 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: because I have an agreement with santa to do express deliveries. |
| 02:32.43 | SpeedEvil | (or more likely, just the royal mail) Letter post isn't that expensive. |
| 02:32.45 | retracile | SpeedEvil: Oh, so he does contract work between his regular gig? ;) |
| 02:33.16 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: ahh |
| 02:33.24 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: how can I pay ? |
| 02:33.30 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: can I pay in mail too ? |
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| 02:33.44 | nullpuppy | cjb: repo loc being cahce dir? |
| 02:33.52 | SpeedEvil | PM CVirus? (paypal) |
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| 02:34.12 | CVirus | no paypal in egypt |
| 02:34.27 | CVirus | it's okay .. I don't need one right now .. haven't got my FR yet |
| 02:34.27 | cjb | nullpuppy: yes |
| 02:34.57 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 02:35.11 | nullpuppy | how long does it typically take for ~25mb of maps? :) |
| 02:35.17 | cjb | not long, here |
| 02:35.18 | nullpuppy | and is there any sort of progress meter? |
| 02:35.22 | cjb | no |
| 02:35.25 | cjb | I've been doing: |
| 02:35.31 | cjb | du -shc /media/card/Maps |
| 02:35.35 | cjb | in the terminal as it goes along |
| 02:36.01 | cjb | just hit 100M, and has everywhere he might conceivably cycle to at large zoomlevels. |
| 02:36.13 | nullpuppy | nods |
| 02:36.22 | Infinyt1 | Speaking of "How long"'s. How long does it usually take for a opkg upgrade to finish? I mean, it's done downloading everything, then it turned off and started cycling a bunch of text that all looks virtually the same. |
| 02:36.57 | peepsalot | wtf i got registration denied. yet this same sim worked earlier |
| 02:37.05 | cjb | peepsalot: I get that too :/ |
| 02:37.09 | cjb | peepsalot: AT&T? |
| 02:37.29 | peepsalot | yeah |
| 02:37.48 | cjb | seems to get registered eventually, sometimes needs a reboot |
| 02:37.49 | peepsalot | it's a sim from when they were cingular |
| 02:37.59 | cjb | mine's a latest SIM, still does it |
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| 02:38.24 | peepsalot | i wonder is there a way to see more info, for example why it was denied? |
| 02:38.48 | lpotter | chillywilly: pong |
| 02:38.59 | retracile | Fun with LEDs: while true;do for f in /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/*/brightness;do x=`tr 01 10<$f`;echo $x>$f;sleep 1;done;done |
| 02:39.05 | cjb | peepsalot: you can libgsmd-tool -m shell, r |
| 02:39.16 | cjb | peepsalot: mine returns cme error 13, which also just means permission denied, pretty much |
| 02:41.02 | peepsalot | cjb, unsupported mode "shell" |
| 02:41.54 | peepsalot | oh actually it says unsupported mode 'shell,' with the comma there |
| 02:41.59 | cjb | yes, don't use the comma |
| 02:42.04 | cjb | I meant, once you're in the shell, type r |
| 02:42.12 | Infinyt1 | Is there a way to wipe the kernel and rootfs? |
| 02:42.23 | cjb | Infinyt1: of course. nand erase kernel, nand erase rootfs, in uboot. |
| 02:43.00 | peepsalot | is there a way to repeat prev. command in the default terminal? |
| 02:43.06 | cjb | don't think so :/ |
| 02:43.18 | Infinyt1 | Ah, thanke. |
| 02:44.32 | peepsalot | hmm, i get cme error 32 |
| 02:47.30 | Infinyt1 | Hehe. Messing with this thing is so much fun. >_> |
| 02:48.30 | cjb | yeah :) |
| 02:48.41 | Infinyt1 | I have like no idea what I'm doing most of the time, but still. |
| 02:49.06 | cjb | I didn't buy one of the Nokia tablets because I thought having a phone was so important, but.. even if the FR didn't have GSM, I'd use it a lot |
| 02:49.13 | cjb | GPS+wifi is a nice combo |
| 02:49.32 | Infinyt1 | Very nice. |
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| 02:50.16 | Infinyt1 | Brb, food. |
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| 02:52.10 | peepsalot | hmm, i reseated the sim and it works again. not sure if it's because I moved it, or just that it's totally random |
| 02:53.27 | SpeedEvil | Is there a way to lock a page on the wiki so only you or an admin can change it? (user page) |
| 02:54.02 | cjb | peepsalot: there's definitely a reseating theory out there |
| 02:54.13 | cjb | peepsalot: but I've had mine in the same seating for two days, and it works sometimes and fails others. |
| 02:55.50 | peepsalot | is there much hope for improving the gui response? it seems really terrible a lot of the time |
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| 02:58.42 | Infinyt1 | It does? |
| 03:01.14 | nullpuppy | cjb: do you know what the dir structure means for the osm maps? |
| 03:05.43 | SpeedEvil | It's split by level of zoom I think |
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| 03:07.12 | SpeedEvil | n/nn*/ww* |
| 03:07.16 | SpeedEvil | z/nn*/ww* |
| 03:07.35 | SpeedEvil | where z is zoom, n is northwards tile coordinate, w is westwards tile coordinate |
| 03:07.42 | nullpuppy | ah, alright. |
| 03:07.44 | SpeedEvil | z/nn*/ww*.png |
| 03:07.48 | nullpuppy | thanks |
| 03:07.52 | nullpuppy | heads out for a bit |
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| 03:08.15 | SpeedEvil | I think it's west, north actually |
| 03:11.04 | kd8ikt | u mean NW? |
| 03:11.30 | SpeedEvil | NW? |
| 03:11.43 | kd8ikt | NorthWest |
| 03:11.51 | SpeedEvil | No |
| 03:12.03 | SpeedEvil | I mean the layout of the files tangogps downloads. |
| 03:13.13 | kd8ikt | cool hey if you look at cinci ohio you'll find me |
| 03:13.26 | kd8ikt | one of a handful in USA |
| 03:14.08 | kd8ikt | so i should be easy to locate |
| 03:14.53 | cjb | is cjbprime, in Boston MA. |
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| 03:15.44 | kd8ikt | unless everyone marks there's as private... |
| 03:15.53 | kd8ikt | their's |
| 03:15.54 | cjb | nope |
| 03:16.19 | cjb | my address is on my website, and I blog about the company I work for, so I'm not giving up much :) |
| 03:16.57 | kd8ikt | i was just about to go for a wardrive with gps here in a moment |
| 03:17.09 | linuxxr | cool keyboard interface |
| 03:22.31 | peepsalot | i get "signature check failed" for all 4 files when I try to opkg update |
| 03:25.23 | peepsalot | nvm , i guess this is a known issue. looks like it still did the update though |
| 03:25.42 | pjz | my opkg update is failing because if I do it over ssh, it upgrades dropbear and my connection goes poof, and if I upgrade from the console it upgrades the graphics server and my upgrade goes poof. In both cases it never manages to write out the upgrade status file so it doesn't remember that it's already done the upgrade |
| 03:26.30 | mmontour | nohup opkg upgrade & |
| 03:26.38 | pjz | so I'm do an opkg -noaction upgrade and then harvesting package names and going to run them through a loop to upgrade them one by one |
| 03:26.47 | pjz | mmontour: oh, that would be smarter :) |
| 03:27.43 | peepsalot | oops, i guess i'll have to upgrade again after this round |
| 03:30.44 | kd8ikt | hm |
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| 03:35.46 | Infinyt1 | Erm.. |
| 03:36.09 | bbb8 | ... |
| 03:36.11 | Infinyt1 | Can anyone tell me what the phone is supposed to do after a opkg upgrade ? |
| 03:36.32 | pjz | be up to date? |
| 03:36.38 | Infinyt1 | Well I mean |
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| 03:37.44 | Infinyt1 | What happens after all the stuff is done downloading and configuring? Cause mine goes to a completely black fullscreen terminal and it starts scrolling down with the same/nearly the same text. |
| 03:38.00 | Infinyt1 | Is that normal? o_O |
| 03:38.06 | pjz | dunno, mine's not done yet :) |
| 03:38.06 | linuxxr | well tell me how to make a "/" |
| 03:38.19 | pjz | linuxxr: install the matchbox keyboard |
| 03:38.24 | linuxxr | oo |
| 03:38.40 | Infinyt1 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Complete_QWERTY_Keyboard_On_The_Freerunner |
| 03:38.43 | linuxxr | they leftout a symbol? |
| 03:38.46 | Infinyt1 | It's awesome. |
| 03:38.52 | Infinyt1 | And uhh, yeah. As far as I can tell. |
| 03:39.04 | Infinyt1 | >_> Kinda odd if you ask me, but whatever floats their bubblez. |
| 03:40.27 | pjz | is there a way to do multiboot off a microSD card? like put multiple distros on the card and coose at boot time which to use? |
| 03:40.51 | mmontour | pjz: yes, just have multiple u-boot menu entries with different partition numbers in each one. |
| 03:40.53 | linuxxr | i dont have wirless working yet or anything for that matter |
| 03:41.26 | pjz | mmontour: ahh, okay. I think I grok. |
| 03:41.34 | Infinyt1 | Does your wireless use SSID? |
| 03:41.49 | pjz | I think all wireless uses SSID :) |
| 03:41.52 | linuxxr | me check |
| 03:41.56 | Infinyt1 | Prolly. >_> |
| 03:42.15 | peepsalot | mmontour, how do you deal with an interactive prompt if you do "nohup opkg &" |
| 03:42.22 | mmontour | but SD-boot in general is somewhat broken at the moment. I recommend waiting a while before trying it. |
| 03:42.24 | Infinyt1 | Just put iwconfig eth0 essid YourSSIDHere |
| 03:42.24 | Infinyt1 | Then put udhcpc eth0 |
| 03:42.32 | Infinyt1 | And you should be connected to Wifi |
| 03:42.41 | peepsalot | mmontour, it stopped to ask if i really wanna replace some existing file |
| 03:42.50 | linuxxr | in the terminal |
| 03:42.56 | Infinyt1 | Yeah |
| 03:43.00 | linuxxr | ok |
| 03:43.00 | mmontour | you can try "fg" to re-attach to the background process, then type your answer |
| 03:43.28 | Infinyt1 | Arr, my phone seems to be in a loop or something |
| 03:44.07 | mmontour | or you may have to kill opkg and then re-run it normally for the package in question. |
| 03:44.39 | Infinyt1 | Anyone here succeded in doing an opkg upgrade? |
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| 03:45.24 | peepsalot | mmontour, doesn't seem to work |
| 03:46.17 | mmontour | You won't see any output to the terminal - that will still be re-directed to nohup.out. |
| 03:46.34 | peepsalot | right, but i checked nohup.out and no updates are showing |
| 03:47.12 | peepsalot | how do i exit fg? |
| 03:47.28 | mmontour | OK, then you'll probably have to kill opkg and try it again. Maybe just do "nohup opkg install dropbear &" to update that package, then do the rest of the upgrade |
| 03:47.34 | mmontour | ctrl-Z, then "bg" |
| 03:48.12 | ieatlint | why not just use screen? |
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| 03:49.06 | mmontour | that would probably work. The 'nohup' method worked for someone else a day or two ago, but I guess his upgrade didn't require any user interaction |
| 03:50.06 | cjb | yeah, I saw a positive report with using screen. |
| 03:51.34 | ieatlint | you could also just do it in a terminal on the phone... it's not that much typing for just one thing |
| 03:52.01 | Infinyt1 | Is opkg upgrade broken? >_> |
| 03:52.16 | ieatlint | no |
| 03:52.23 | ieatlint | the issue is that dropbear provides your ssh session |
| 03:52.35 | ieatlint | so if you upgrade it, it turns off... and doesn't handle it elegantly |
| 03:52.41 | mmontour | I think one of the other updates kills the X server |
| 03:53.16 | Infinyt1 | Well I followed the instruction for that. But uhh, I think I got dropped out of the X server because all I see is a black background and the same two lines of text kep cycling. |
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| 03:53.18 | Infinyt1 | *keep |
| 03:53.32 | Infinyt1 | And it won't turn off or anything. |
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| 03:54.59 | Infinyt1 | There a reset button somewhere? Haha. |
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| 03:55.14 | pjz | what I ended up donig |
| 03:55.29 | pjz | was using the terminal to do 'opkg upgrade dropbear' |
| 03:55.53 | pjz | and then ssh'ing in and 'nohup opkg upgrade &' |
| 03:56.33 | linuxxr | return code 1 wat is it |
| 03:57.04 | linuxxr | maybe my dlinl firewall? |
| 03:59.06 | pjz | anyone know how/if its possible to rescan your SIM to try and get it to find more contacts? I donly found like 20% of the contacts on my SIM |
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| 03:59.46 | ieatlint | it picks the ones it thinks are important... trust in it |
| 03:59.47 | Infinyt1 | Contacts are kept on the SIM? |
| 03:59.55 | Infinyt1 | Rofl |
| 04:00.26 | ieatlint | mine for instance doesn't include my ex in the numbers it chooses to display |
| 04:00.29 | ieatlint | a wise phone |
| 04:00.30 | pjz | Infinyt1: most phones at least have the option to keep some contacts on the SIM |
| 04:00.40 | pjz | ieatlint: mine doesn't include my wife... bad move |
| 04:00.46 | ieatlint | lol |
| 04:00.46 | Infinyt1 | Ah I see. Sorry, never had a GSM phone before. |
| 04:00.50 | ieatlint | yeah, ok, i won't go there |
| 04:01.10 | ieatlint | Infinyt1: yeah, sim cards can hold some 200+ phone numbers |
| 04:01.24 | ieatlint | 1 phone number, and something like a 32 char string of text for it |
| 04:01.25 | Infinyt1 | Nice, I'll prolly never have more than 5. But still |
| 04:01.50 | kd8ikt | hey ugh anyone know how to map the *.gps data i got from kismet? |
| 04:02.06 | ieatlint | kd8ikt: is it a csv file? |
| 04:02.32 | kd8ikt | Kismet-Jul-18-2008-1.cisco Kismet-Jul-18-2008-1.dump Kismet-Jul-18-2008-1.network |
| 04:02.33 | linuxxee | i changed the challel to another an it hooked up |
| 04:02.35 | kd8ikt | Kismet-Jul-18-2008-1.csv Kismet-Jul-18-2008-1.gps Kismet-Jul-18-2008-1.xml |
| 04:02.35 | ieatlint | Infinyt1: it's hugely convenient when you change phones and it keeps the contacts with it... the sim can also store ~30 SMSs |
| 04:03.20 | Infinyt1 | Oh that reminds me. Is there any point to getting a plan on your SIM that includes free texting if you get a plan with free unlimited web? |
| 04:03.45 | Infinyt1 | Cause like, can't you just go to an SMS site on your Freerunner and use it to send and receive some? |
| 04:03.45 | pjz | Infinyt1: depends on if you use texting |
| 04:03.48 | Infinyt1 | o_O |
| 04:03.55 | kd8ikt | mapping? |
| 04:04.00 | linuxxee | cd /tmp |
| 04:04.00 | linuxxee | wget http://www.ginguppin.de/files/keyboard-ipk.tar.bz2 |
| 04:04.00 | linuxxee | tar xvjf keyboard-ipk.tar.bz2 |
| 04:04.04 | pjz | Infinyt1: most providers charge to receive SMS these days too |
| 04:04.17 | Infinyt1 | I do, but I'm tryin' to find a workaround. Hehehe |
| 04:04.17 | kd8ikt | yikes |
| 04:04.17 | pjz | linuxxee: wrong window |
| 04:04.24 | linuxxee | how to do that without the "/" |
| 04:04.27 | ieatlint | kd8ikt: try "file blah.gps" |
| 04:04.43 | linuxxee | lol |
| 04:04.45 | pjz | linuxxee: via ssh from a computer with a real keyboard :) |
| 04:04.47 | linuxxee | yay |
| 04:04.52 | linuxxee | ok |
| 04:05.01 | linuxxee | thanks |
| 04:05.06 | linuxxee | im a nooooob |
| 04:05.44 | Infinyt1 | I'll have to ask if they have free incoming text, I know a lot of providers around here do.. Ah well, we'll see. Can't get a plan for a few weeks anyways, no money. xD |
| 04:05.48 | kd8ikt | ieatlint: XML |
| 04:06.20 | pjz | mmontour: got a pointer to how to add extra uboot entries? |
| 04:06.20 | ieatlint | kd8ikt: ok, so import it into mapping software as xml formatted |
| 04:06.54 | ieatlint | there are google maps/earth addons that support it |
| 04:07.47 | ieatlint | typing "import kismet gps data" into google will probably give all sorts of results |
| 04:11.44 | mmontour | pjz: wiki pages for "Bootloader environment" and "Booting from SD" (though that page is somewhat out of date) |
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| 04:13.30 | pjz | gah, I keep typing 'ipkg' instead of 'opkg' |
| 04:14.50 | peepsalot | is there 256 MB nand onboard? i'm looking at df -h and a little confused. thought it's only supposed to have 64mb |
| 04:15.01 | mmontour | gta01 was 64 |
| 04:15.43 | cjb | yup. it's great that the image hasn't grown since moving to 256, it means an SD card is totally optional. |
| 04:15.49 | SpeedEvil | 128 |
| 04:15.57 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 04:15.59 | SpeedEvil | flash |
| 04:16.05 | cjb | rootfs 246.6M 96.4M 150.2M 39% / |
| 04:17.17 | swc|666 | w00t finaly got a working SIM from AT&T |
| 04:17.27 | cjb | swc|666: cool, which model? |
| 04:17.35 | cjb | mine seems to work most of the time |
| 04:17.35 | swc|666 | 71234 4022 |
| 04:17.42 | cjb | swc|666: and the letter? |
| 04:17.46 | cjb | 71234 (X) |
| 04:17.48 | swc|666 | looks... |
| 04:18.04 | swc|666 | 1 sec |
| 04:18.19 | MadTBone | argh!!! why can I not connect to my wlan??!?!?! |
| 04:18.33 | swc|666 | O |
| 04:18.39 | MadTBone | very strange...it worked a few minutes ago |
| 04:18.43 | swc|666 | cjb: the letter O |
| 04:19.16 | cjb | I see |
| 04:19.24 | cjb | I think the ones they gave me were D and G |
| 04:19.42 | swc|666 | interesting... wonder what the diff is |
| 04:21.58 | cjb | it's which company manufactured the SIM for them |
| 04:22.37 | swc|666 | ahhh |
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| 04:25.21 | Infinyt1 | Kay, figured out why it wasn't upgrading right. |
| 04:25.40 | Infinyt1 | Anyhoo, is campwifi the only Wifi connection Gui? |
| 04:26.20 | walrustown | MadTBone did you ask me a question about the accelerometers last night? |
| 04:26.40 | cjb | Infinyt1: is that a qtopia app, or 2007.2? |
| 04:26.42 | MadTBone | walrustown: uhh....maybe... |
| 04:26.46 | Infinyt1 | 2007.2 |
| 04:26.48 | peepsalot | is tangogps map data downloaded from googlemaps? |
| 04:26.53 | cjb | Infinyt1: sure? |
| 04:26.58 | cjb | peepsalot: no, openstreetmap.org |
| 04:26.59 | Infinyt1 | Possitive |
| 04:27.02 | MadTBone | walrustown: let me check the log |
| 04:27.17 | Infinyt1 | Oh wait |
| 04:27.39 | peepsalot | cjb, oh, the maps are much better than i expected |
| 04:27.43 | cjb | peepsalot: apps aren't allowed to download the Google data. |
| 04:27.44 | Infinyt1 | You were asking if the App was made for the 2007.2 or Qtopia, not whether I was using Qtopia. |
| 04:27.45 | cjb | peepsalot: yeah! |
| 04:27.47 | Infinyt1 | In that case I'm not sure |
| 04:27.58 | cjb | Infinyt1: I was asking whether it runs on 2007.2, really |
| 04:28.11 | Infinyt1 | Ah, then I wouldn't know |
| 04:28.27 | Infinyt1 | It's just what I was recommended in here earlier. But I can't find it anywhere. |
| 04:28.31 | cjb | me either |
| 04:28.36 | cjb | I think it comes with the qtopia image |
| 04:28.48 | MadTBone | walrustown: looks like my lappy is only keeping a few thousand lines... I may have asked something...but I don't remember the context |
| 04:28.49 | Infinyt1 | Darn |
| 04:29.10 | Infinyt1 | I'd rather not have to type in that wifi connection line on my Neo every time I wanna connect. |
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| 04:29.18 | cjb | yeah, me too |
| 04:29.21 | walrustown | MadTBone: ok nm then, I just remembered your name |
| 04:29.29 | cjb | I made a script so that I have to type ". home" or ". work" to connect |
| 04:29.37 | cjb | but still a pain, and doesn't let me see which networks are around |
| 04:29.44 | Infinyt1 | Yeah. :< |
| 04:30.02 | Jacen | That 1 in my name was getting annoying. |
| 04:30.33 | MadTBone | walrustown: didn't you woot about accelerometers in ASU or GTK image |
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| 04:31.31 | walrustown | MadTBone: I wooted about them because I finally got my code to read them working |
| 04:31.32 | Jacen | Hmm.. |
| 04:32.16 | MadTBone | walrustown: ooohhhhh.... do tell |
| 04:32.35 | walrustown | MadTBone: I'm working on a small library to make reading them easy |
| 04:32.47 | cjb | surprising that there doesn't seem to be a wifi connection manager for gtk/2007.2 |
| 04:32.56 | walrustown | MadTBone: then I'm going to use my library to make a game where you guide a marble by tiliting the phone |
| 04:34.21 | kd8ikt | wow ieatlint |
| 04:34.22 | Jacen | I can't even remember how to make a script |
| 04:34.38 | kd8ikt | found something to parse em into googleearth kml file |
| 04:34.47 | peepsalot | walrustown, enigma! |
| 04:34.50 | kd8ikt | thats crazy! |
| 04:34.51 | MadTBone | walrustown: marble maze? sounds fun! I hope the library will be useful for general functionality as well |
| 04:35.13 | walrustown | peepsalot: yeah much like that |
| 04:35.28 | peepsalot | i wonder if it could be ported |
| 04:35.36 | walrustown | MadTBone: I'm definitely making the library generic |
| 04:36.03 | MadTBone | walrustown: sweet... |
| 04:36.06 | walrustown | MadTBone: and hopefully I'll eventually provide python bindings |
| 04:36.36 | kd8ikt | lol theres a wireless AP near the police/firedept |
| 04:36.42 | kd8ikt | its name is Hey Pig |
| 04:36.54 | MadTBone | gives props to walrustown |
| 04:37.05 | Jacen | Can you copy/paste? |
| 04:37.11 | kd8ikt | w00t my first gps enabled wardrive that was fun |
| 04:37.27 | walrustown | MadTBone: reserve the props until I follow through :P |
| 04:37.48 | MadTBone | walrustown: nose to the grindstone |
| 04:38.19 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: gps and wifi through GTA02?? |
| 04:38.32 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: on wardrive, I mean? |
| 04:40.01 | kd8ikt | no just gps |
| 04:40.09 | kd8ikt | +laptop |
| 04:40.11 | peepsalot | man, there's a lot of stuff in the opkg repos. like 5 different touchscreen calibration apps for example |
| 04:40.19 | Jacen | How do you close the ssh connection? |
| 04:40.27 | cjb | jebba: "exit"? |
| 04:40.28 | kd8ikt | theres a touchscreen calibrator? |
| 04:40.32 | kd8ikt | whats it called i need one |
| 04:40.32 | peepsalot | Ctrl-D |
| 04:40.43 | cjb | peepsalot: where do you browse the opkg repos? |
| 04:40.43 | Jacen | Ah. |
| 04:40.52 | peepsalot | cjb opkg list |
| 04:41.10 | peepsalot | kd8ikt, opkg list | grep calib |
| 04:41.30 | peepsalot | do an opkg update first if you haven't done one yet |
| 04:41.56 | Jacen | There any way from a Windows PC to access the SD card through the phone to put like music/pictures on it? |
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| 04:43.24 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: what did you do...connect to gpsd from laptop over usb? |
| 04:44.21 | swc|666 | which one of the controls is for the ear speaker on the alsamixer... anyone know? 0.o |
| 04:44.53 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 04:45.03 | kd8ikt | gps-utils gpspipe |
| 04:45.30 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.55 | kd8ikt | would love it if the moko could do it all itself (hell of a lot more portable) |
| 04:46.12 | mmontour | swc|666: I think it's "Speaker" for the Freerunner |
| 04:46.20 | swc|666 | hmm |
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| 04:48.58 | swc|666 | mmontour: thank.. that did it ;) |
| 04:50.16 | kd8ikt | http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/wardrive/ |
| 04:50.43 | kd8ikt | theres a little scripty there i found that works perfect for kismet logs > google earth readbale |
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| 04:54.12 | railer | so what the best flash? |
| 04:55.01 | SpeedEvil | Flash Gorden. |
| 04:55.36 | railer | ya ya ya saw that coming, |
| 04:56.55 | railer | qtopia any good? |
| 04:57.34 | kd8ikt | likes to go around flashing ladies |
| 04:57.48 | Jacen | Hmm, after the Upgrade the loading bar when you turn it on doesn't uhh.. do anything. |
| 04:58.14 | kd8ikt | yeah mine too |
| 04:58.28 | kd8ikt | some1 F'd up bigtime |
| 04:58.35 | Jacen | Ah well. |
| 05:00.27 | kd8ikt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Vh9_Hi1kY |
| 05:00.31 | kd8ikt | that'll fix it |
| 05:01.32 | peepsalot | kd8ikt, actually i can't get the calibration app working. and I was mistaken, i only see one app, the other things were libraries and such |
| 05:02.01 | peepsalot | xtscal is the one i'm trying to use, but i get the message: "XCALIBRATE extension missing: Success" |
| 05:02.06 | peepsalot | whatever that means |
| 05:02.19 | MadTBone | this is so odd....for some reason I just can not get wlan to connect... is anyone else able to get a reliable wifi connection with wep or wpa? |
| 05:02.59 | kd8ikt | yup |
| 05:03.02 | cjb | the networks I use are all open |
| 05:03.12 | kd8ikt | MadTBone: using wpa_supplicant? |
| 05:03.38 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: even just manually with iwconfig |
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| 05:04.34 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: I was able to connect manually before...but not now |
| 05:05.16 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: are you using wpa_suppplicant? |
| 05:05.37 | kd8ikt | can you do a pastebin of your config |
| 05:06.01 | kd8ikt | http://pastebin.com/m59e25a9c heres my working one |
| 05:06.10 | kd8ikt | or atleast the WPA part |
| 05:06.19 | kd8ikt | taken straight from the wiki |
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| 05:07.00 | kd8ikt | <yes thats my actual wpa psk key> |
| 05:07.08 | kd8ikt | wpa2 |
| 05:07.26 | kd8ikt | pluss its a linux openwrt router ;) |
| 05:07.27 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: which version of wpa_supplicant are you using? |
| 05:07.54 | kd8ikt | ughwpa_supplicant v0.6.3 |
| 05:08.35 | kd8ikt | i kinda want to do some more war driving |
| 05:08.37 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: yeah...I have an ASUS WL500GP running Kamikaze at home...but I'm on the road now |
| 05:08.56 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: same wpa version here |
| 05:10.35 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: http://pastebin.com/m4237d40e |
| 05:12.44 | MadTBone | If I run wlan init script from wiki I get ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported |
| 05:13.02 | MadTBone | run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with code 1 |
| 05:13.30 | MadTBone | then dhcp never gets an address |
| 05:14.27 | kd8ikt | hm |
| 05:15.04 | kd8ikt | try wep_tx_keyidx=1? |
| 05:16.27 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: nada... do you get any errors when connecting? |
| 05:16.38 | kd8ikt | whats weird is i couldnt get wpasupplicant to work on an open AP |
| 05:16.51 | kd8ikt | i thing everyone gets that IO error |
| 05:16.57 | kd8ikt | but still works |
| 05:17.23 | kd8ikt | yeah thats crazy |
| 05:17.31 | kd8ikt | hey have you installed campwifi? |
| 05:17.55 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: no...let me try |
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| 05:19.49 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: where did you find campwifi? |
| 05:20.04 | kd8ikt | opkg |
| 05:20.10 | kd8ikt | need to be on the net first ;) |
| 05:20.51 | railer | any suggestions for I can log into ssh on 192.168.0.202 but no internet and suggestions? |
| 05:21.00 | swc|666 | anyone have working pppd scripts for at&t? |
| 05:21.18 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: I am ... through USB ... I get no campwifi on opkg... what image are you running? |
| 05:21.42 | MadTBone | railer: what host os? linux? |
| 05:21.51 | railer | ubuntu |
| 05:21.52 | kd8ikt | http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 05:22.17 | MadTBone | railer: lookslike kd8ikt beat me to the link |
| 05:22.35 | kd8ikt | i dont http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networkingthink camp wifi works |
| 05:22.44 | kd8ikt | err i dont think campwifi works |
| 05:22.56 | kd8ikt | it looks a bit alpha at best |
| 05:23.04 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: I can't even find it... |
| 05:23.23 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: is it part of ASU? I'm running 2007.2 |
| 05:23.32 | railer | well it says it wants my dns server, the route -n one? |
| 05:23.53 | kd8ikt | me2 <updates 2007 firmware that shipped with my phone yesterday +upgraded latest kernel |
| 05:24.02 | MadTBone | railer: make sure /etc/resolv.conf has the proper nameserver |
| 05:24.21 | kd8ikt | my SD card + GPS play well together because of that kernel |
| 05:25.18 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: yeah...same kernel here...SD + GPS work together, but still have long TTFF if wifi is powered up |
| 05:25.32 | kd8ikt | ttff? |
| 05:26.03 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: time to first fix |
| 05:26.33 | kd8ikt | outside? |
| 05:27.09 | kd8ikt | suspend kills my moko altogether |
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| 05:27.48 | MadTBone | no. inside. haven't tried to get first fix outside. |
| 05:28.38 | MadTBone | suspend used to work for me, except killed sound (but not voice call sound....oddly enough...just ring, click, etc) |
| 05:28.47 | pjz | is there an alarmclock app anywhere? |
| 05:29.22 | MadTBone | pjz: look in http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/ringer/ |
| 05:29.42 | peepsalot | is openmoko-browser2 functional? i tried it, went to google, but can't type anything into the box. i have siwtched to matchbox kb so maybe that is a problem with this browers? |
| 05:30.29 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: as of yesterday's kernel, suspend is really messed up for me |
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| 05:31.12 | kd8ikt | yeah |
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| 05:31.44 | kd8ikt | anyone know how to tell moko's dropbear ssh demon to accept ssh keys |
| 05:31.46 | UndrWater | anyone install a browser for qtopia? |
| 05:32.23 | kd8ikt | i gave it the authorized_keys file |
| 05:32.53 | ieatlint | glad to hear it's not just me getting horrible issues with suspend/resume |
| 05:35.11 | MadTBone | where can we track commits for daily builds... I know there's svn or cvs tracker somewhere... |
| 05:35.40 | pjz | MadTBone: how do I build that? |
| 05:35.49 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rce33560ae231 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py): |
| 05:35.49 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced: implemented org/freesmartphone/Device/Audio serving interface org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio: |
| 05:35.49 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * PlaySound( s ) |
| 05:35.49 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * StopSound( s ) |
| 05:35.50 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * StopAllSounds() |
| 05:35.51 | pjz | has MokoMakefile |
| 05:35.52 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * recf1901ccccf 10/docs/ (TODO ogsmd/ti_calypso/modem): add some new things to TODO and ti_calypso specific modem information |
| 05:35.57 | ieatlint | MadTBone: that's how ? :P |
| 05:36.39 | MadTBone | ieatlint: next time I'll know to wait a few seconds before asking... |
| 05:36.40 | kd8ikt | wowo multitouche sorta works |
| 05:36.55 | kd8ikt | enabled cursor in matchbox's config |
| 05:36.59 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: eh?!? |
| 05:37.16 | kd8ikt | when placeing two fingers the cursor hovers in the middle |
| 05:37.27 | UndrWater | kd8ikt: wohoo! |
| 05:37.31 | ieatlint | yeah, it's like a touchpad |
| 05:37.43 | UndrWater | kd8ikt: what are your thoughts as far as application? |
| 05:37.50 | MadTBone | pjz: autotools? I haven't tried to build it. |
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| 05:37.57 | railer | sweet I have internet! |
| 05:38.08 | kd8ikt | i think i need some stuff that uses the accellerometers or i'm gonna forget they exist |
| 05:38.09 | Infinyt1 | :D |
| 05:38.24 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: that's normal for resistive touchpads... |
| 05:38.30 | pjz | MadTBone: I doubt it's going to know how to find the right toolchain, but I'll try it |
| 05:38.39 | kd8ikt | this is my first touchscreen |
| 05:38.46 | UndrWater | accellerometers? what's that? |
| 05:39.00 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: it's more of an artifact of the technology...no real application potential |
| 05:39.02 | kd8ikt | read teh wika |
| 05:39.07 | UndrWater | :P |
| 05:39.38 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: you can probably get a similar effect on your laptop touchpad |
| 05:39.44 | railer | so after ophg update/upgrade should I expect this thing to crash? |
| 05:39.45 | kd8ikt | noway for the driver to tell "oh hai! those are two button presses"!? |
| 05:40.06 | UndrWater | railer: yes...horribly |
| 05:40.11 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: no...hardware can't report that |
| 05:40.13 | kd8ikt | nah my laptop acts like the finger just ran to that spot without it seeing the motion |
| 05:40.28 | kd8ikt | and forgets its current local |
| 05:40.32 | kd8ikt | locale |
| 05:40.42 | UndrWater | railer: actually...after update/upgrade my sim stopped working |
| 05:40.53 | UndrWater | otherwise everything else was better |
| 05:40.57 | kd8ikt | "oh that finger is still there? well i detected this one and he's active so i'm going with it" |
| 05:41.06 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 05:41.08 | railer | worst case have to reflash? |
| 05:41.13 | UndrWater | went from bad iphone to bad ipod touch |
| 05:41.18 | kd8ikt | i am jacks mouse touchpad |
| 05:41.43 | UndrWater | railer: yes |
| 05:42.16 | ieatlint | hey... they split the 2007.2/asu trees between gta01 and gta02 |
| 05:44.16 | kd8ikt | hey ya know how the moko came with international power socket inputs... |
| 05:44.29 | kd8ikt | who uses the two prongs with the round tips? |
| 05:44.45 | kd8ikt | that looks weird/foriegn to me |
| 05:45.34 | peepsalot | hmm, somehow i turned on the cursor on the touchscreen, not sure what i did |
| 05:45.42 | peepsalot | was just clicking around |
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| 05:46.52 | UndrWater | peepsalot: turn it off quick....it'll blow up your house!!! :O |
| 05:47.03 | kd8ikt | ah its a euro plug |
| 05:47.24 | peepsalot | hmm, i think i killed "Home" somehow |
| 05:47.24 | kd8ikt | hey ya know how the moko came with international power socket inputs...azy ur-a-pee'in's |
| 05:47.38 | UndrWater | :D |
| 05:47.49 | kd8ikt | whoopz |
| 05:48.03 | ieatlint | is a pee-in like a sit-in? |
| 05:48.03 | kd8ikt | login and /etx/x-something restart |
| 05:48.31 | kd8ikt | ur-a-pee'in |
| 05:48.36 | UndrWater | /etc/init.d/someting? |
| 05:48.46 | kd8ikt | yeA |
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| 05:49.41 | UndrWater | all those /etc/init.d/ things are cool |
| 05:49.47 | kd8ikt | /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm |
| 05:49.48 | ieatlint | i personally kinda like the UK plug... |
| 05:50.06 | ieatlint | whenever i've used it, it's seem to fit a lot more snug |
| 05:50.23 | UndrWater | in europe? |
| 05:50.29 | ieatlint | and the fact that only the tips are conductive means you're far less likely to shock yourself when blindly trying to feel a plug |
| 05:50.40 | ieatlint | uhm, yeah |
| 05:50.41 | railer | hey I did opkg update/upgrade and didn't brick the phone! Bonus! |
| 05:50.45 | Jacen | What text editors are included in 2007.2? |
| 05:50.51 | kd8ikt | vi |
| 05:50.52 | railer | vi |
| 05:50.55 | kd8ikt | i installed nano though |
| 05:50.56 | ieatlint | go vi! |
| 05:51.04 | ieatlint | not even ed, just vi |
| 05:51.05 | UndrWater | oooohhh nano |
| 05:51.10 | ieatlint | oh, and sed/awk/cat |
| 05:51.36 | UndrWater | thanks for reminding me |
| 05:51.43 | Jacen | Anyone got a messenger running yet? |
| 05:51.58 | UndrWater | pidgin? |
| 05:52.29 | ieatlint | yeah, goodluck compiling that |
| 05:52.32 | Jacen | Lol |
| 05:53.03 | UndrWater | it's compiled for zaurus / debian...is it that hard? |
| 05:53.27 | UndrWater | or maybe old gaim code |
| 05:53.57 | peepsalot | is it a software or hardware issue that freerunner can't be on without the battery in it (when hooked up to usb charge) |
| 05:53.59 | UndrWater | wooohoo...nano |
| 05:54.23 | ieatlint | somehow it strikes me as not friendly to small screens |
| 05:54.31 | UndrWater | peepsalot: there's a thread about that on the mailing list |
| 05:54.41 | ieatlint | and compiling large projects is a nightmare at the moment :P |
| 05:54.57 | UndrWater | ieatlint: via OE? |
| 05:56.01 | ieatlint | i've not dealt with OE, i've been dealing with an independent arm toolchain |
| 05:56.21 | Jacen | I was thinking more a terminal based messenger |
| 05:56.23 | UndrWater | ieatlint: you might TRY to get OE set up |
| 05:57.41 | UndrWater | Jacen: like? |
| 05:58.51 | Jacen | Uhm.. Oh, naim? |
| 05:59.01 | ieatlint | eh... maybe at some point |
| 05:59.07 | Jacen | As an example anyways |
| 05:59.34 | UndrWater | Jacen: ICQ thing too...what's it called? |
| 06:00.03 | ieatlint | finch? |
| 06:00.28 | UndrWater | no... |
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| 06:00.50 | Jacen | Hrm, I'm not sure |
| 06:00.51 | josch | you want a messenger? |
| 06:00.56 | josch | give me a sec... |
| 06:01.08 | UndrWater | cli...uses ncurses |
| 06:01.30 | UndrWater | accepts all protocols |
| 06:01.38 | ieatlint | and not finch? |
| 06:01.53 | UndrWater | hadn't heard of it |
| 06:02.02 | railer | how many gigs is this phone anyway? |
| 06:02.16 | ieatlint | uhm |
| 06:02.19 | ieatlint | it's not gigs |
| 06:02.25 | UndrWater | ahhh |
| 06:02.41 | ieatlint | there's about 250mb in the rootfs |
| 06:02.42 | UndrWater | now i remember...finch |
| 06:03.02 | ieatlint | and a microsd card reader, for which 8gb cards are available |
| 06:03.07 | UndrWater | what i'm thinking of is before finch |
| 06:03.09 | railer | so much for music |
| 06:03.44 | stephelton | is there some limit on filesize or sample rate for pulse audio / ring tones? |
| 06:03.48 | railer | so can yank the 250 and drop in a 8G |
| 06:03.58 | ieatlint | no |
| 06:04.10 | ieatlint | the 250mb in the rootfs is internal |
| 06:04.21 | ieatlint | non-volatile ram or the like |
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| 06:04.48 | railer | waht about the little 250 mb card it came with? |
| 06:05.02 | UndrWater | 512 |
| 06:05.12 | railer | ok |
| 06:05.22 | railer | but that can be switched? |
| 06:05.44 | UndrWater | railer: looking for iphone killer? |
| 06:05.58 | railer | yes |
| 06:06.03 | mmontour | There's 256M of non-removable NAND flash, plus a microSD slot. You can put an 8G card (or whatever) into the microSD slot. |
| 06:06.06 | railer | but cooler |
| 06:06.08 | UndrWater | railer: look elsewhere then.. |
| 06:06.10 | josch | you look in the wrong place |
| 06:06.34 | railer | you wussies, just needs some time and a little tlc |
| 06:06.47 | UndrWater | not gta02 |
| 06:06.54 | UndrWater | maybe gta03 or 4 |
| 06:06.56 | railer | why not? |
| 06:07.21 | railer | processor? |
| 06:07.23 | josch | what do you consider an iphone killer? |
| 06:07.23 | UndrWater | well...if SD accepts more mem...then we're talking |
| 06:07.35 | MadTBone | railer: hardware can't do certain things |
| 06:07.36 | ieatlint | railer: because god hates you |
| 06:07.37 | ieatlint | personally. |
| 06:07.39 | josch | the freerunner has a much slower processor even more slower rgaphics |
| 06:07.49 | josch | this is due to the fact that |
| 06:07.59 | josch | a free phone has to use hardware with free specs |
| 06:08.13 | josch | we want to have linux on it so some hardware is forbidden |
| 06:08.27 | railer | ok makes sense |
| 06:08.29 | josch | and the chip that is used in gta01/02 is slower than the iphones one |
| 06:08.43 | josch | and the glamo isnt nearly as good in 3d as the iphone's |
| 06:08.56 | josch | also |
| 06:09.00 | josch | the iphone is locked |
| 06:09.04 | josch | the fr is free |
| 06:09.10 | josch | no point in comparing both |
| 06:09.15 | UndrWater | as in freedom... |
| 06:09.21 | josch | if you want freedom take the fr |
| 06:09.42 | railer | no actually I would like to see FR become a workhorse |
| 06:09.45 | josch | if you want tiny blinky stuff that you cannot hack - take the iphone |
| 06:09.51 | *** join/#openmoko bkrus1 (n=bkruse@76.73.154.120) |
| 06:10.00 | ieatlint | hey now, i can get my FR to blink |
| 06:10.16 | josch | so who wanted to see an instant messenger on it? |
| 06:10.20 | josch | Jacen, ? |
| 06:10.27 | josch | which one would you like? |
| 06:10.28 | Jacen | Yeah. |
| 06:10.30 | UndrWater | we' d all love it |
| 06:10.34 | ieatlint | i threw together a python application to control the LEDs and the vibrator with a gui (bonus sex toy!) |
| 06:10.34 | UndrWater | and a SIP client |
| 06:10.35 | railer | I just want a phone with a CLI thats cool |
| 06:10.39 | josch | why arent you doing it then???? |
| 06:10.52 | Jacen | Haha, I can't program. :< |
| 06:10.58 | josch | no need to program |
| 06:11.07 | UndrWater | ASU? |
| 06:11.08 | ieatlint | yeah, just cross compile :P |
| 06:11.11 | josch | for example take gajim - its python ond runs everwhere |
| 06:11.15 | MadTBone | ieatlint: want to throw the code up somewhere |
| 06:11.17 | josch | without compiling |
| 06:11.34 | josch | so i will make some screenshots of the messenger of choice |
| 06:11.36 | Jacen | I'm having enough trouble trying to make a script that'll let me connect to my Wifi router |
| 06:11.38 | josch | just to show you guys |
| 06:11.41 | josch | how simple it is |
| 06:11.44 | Jacen | Ah. o.O |
| 06:11.50 | ieatlint | MadTBone: it's a nasty hack job because it's in python (pygtk) and i'm inferring how to use python as i go along |
| 06:12.06 | ieatlint | since i didn't feel like looking up how to pass by reference... :P |
| 06:12.31 | josch | you want pdgin? |
| 06:12.36 | josch | or gajim? |
| 06:12.40 | josch | or psy? |
| 06:12.40 | ieatlint | Jacen: that's easy, configure wpa_supplicant.conf and just run wpa_supplicant in daemon mode |
| 06:12.48 | *** join/#openmoko drath_ (i=vmaster@p5B07F55F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:12.52 | josch | okay since nobody is reacting doing gajim now |
| 06:12.57 | josch | brb in a few minuted |
| 06:13.01 | josch | *minues |
| 06:13.08 | ieatlint | then throw on dhcp and a fix to the default routes and you're set |
| 06:13.28 | railer | ieatlint hold that thought just going to try wifi in a sec |
| 06:13.33 | Jacen | Is it horrible that none of that made any sense? :< |
| 06:14.02 | ieatlint | you a linux user? |
| 06:14.13 | Jacen | Aye, but I'm lazy and use Ubuntu. |
| 06:14.14 | Jacen | Kekeke |
| 06:14.26 | MadTBone | Jacen: ok.... |
| 06:14.33 | UndrWater | Jacen: fixed IP or dhcp? |
| 06:14.36 | MadTBone | Jacen: what you want to do is.... |
| 06:14.47 | Jacen | dhcp |
| 06:14.48 | MadTBone | open up a terminal on your home system... |
| 06:15.02 | MadTBone | then do a sudo rm -Rf /* |
| 06:15.11 | Jacen | <_< |
| 06:15.21 | Jacen | *Cough* |
| 06:15.22 | chillywilly | doh... |
| 06:15.28 | MadTBone | sorry....couldn't resist... |
| 06:15.38 | pjz | ieatlint: I can help with the python bits; I've been writing it for several years now |
| 06:15.46 | UndrWater | Jacen: do you have wpa_supplicant.conf? |
| 06:15.47 | ajbrun | is it necessary to use linux on the pc to develop on the freerunner? |
| 06:15.50 | railer | damn it my job in life is to get cribbage and nethack on this thing! |
| 06:16.06 | ajbrun | not that i mine ;) |
| 06:16.06 | ieatlint | http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi.txt |
| 06:16.14 | ajbrun | mind* |
| 06:16.53 | UndrWater | ajbrun: apparently not |
| 06:17.02 | ieatlint | pjz: well, it's things like i threw it all into a class, but i should create a struct for each item, and then pass the structs by reference so i don't need 5 functions that do exactly the same thing but change var names |
| 06:17.12 | ajbrun | but advisable i assume? |
| 06:17.23 | ieatlint | i can put up the py script if people are that interested :P |
| 06:17.23 | pjz | ieatlint: lots of fun refactoring to do, then :) |
| 06:17.28 | Jacen | Eh, on the phone? I dunno. Where should I look? |
| 06:17.41 | UndrWater | ajbrun: prolly easier...but not necessary |
| 06:17.46 | ieatlint | just keep in mind i threw it together in like 30min while looking at python syntax reference manuals :P |
| 06:17.47 | pjz | ieatlint: that stuff's so easy in python |
| 06:18.00 | ajbrun | kk - i'll have a look about when the phone arrives |
| 06:18.15 | UndrWater | pjz: easier than C or C++? |
| 06:18.18 | ajbrun | i want to develop something, but i don't know what or how yet |
| 06:18.29 | ieatlint | pjz: http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/leds.py |
| 06:18.31 | pjz | UndrWater: much |
| 06:18.35 | ieatlint | python is a lot simpler than c or c++ |
| 06:19.09 | ieatlint | i know c, c++ and php ... and python is inbetween c++ and php |
| 06:19.22 | UndrWater | hopes c or c++ is replaced by python as requiremet for degree |
| 06:19.30 | ieatlint | it's not quite as coddled as php (real variable types!), but not nearly as picky as c++ |
| 06:19.41 | ajbrun | has a degree and has done none of those :( |
| 06:20.17 | ajbrun | anywhoo - time for bed |
| 06:20.21 | ieatlint | i've been told python is great for small apps (such as the one i just threw together) and for prototyping larger apps, and then going back and re-writing in c/++ |
| 06:20.22 | UndrWater | has degree...but it's in psychology...not useful for freerunner |
| 06:20.22 | ajbrun | back to england tomorrow |
| 06:20.47 | ieatlint | UndrWater: just keep writing an application that says "And how does that make you feel?" |
| 06:20.55 | pjz | ieatlint: what did you want to pass by reference? |
| 06:20.56 | UndrWater | :)) |
| 06:21.07 | budfive | python runs in a VM. This is the biggest difference from C/C++ |
| 06:21.07 | UndrWater | ieatlint: yes...exactly!! :D |
| 06:21.13 | ieatlint | pjz: see the 3 tog_ functions? |
| 06:21.16 | ieatlint | those should be 1 function |
| 06:21.18 | pjz | ieatlint: yeah |
| 06:21.28 | budfive | if you have cycles to waste, python can be useful because programs can be written faster |
| 06:21.37 | ieatlint | and the variables referenced in them should be members of a struct |
| 06:21.44 | pjz | ieatlint: oh, you want to pass in the label and LED file and... ah, got it |
| 06:21.48 | budfive | i'm skeptical that this is the case in the FR... |
| 06:21.54 | ieatlint | and status |
| 06:22.11 | UndrWater | budfive: like portage? |
| 06:22.25 | ieatlint | label, the led file and the status... status probably should be made an int so the struct can be used for the vibrator part too |
| 06:22.37 | budfive | portage? that isn't a language... |
| 06:22.58 | josch | Jacen, here you go |
| 06:23.06 | UndrWater | budfive: no...but it's written in python |
| 06:23.08 | josch | Jacen, http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
| 06:23.12 | railer | anyone try a full kb yet? |
| 06:23.13 | josch | the first two screenshot |
| 06:23.28 | josch | railer, no NOBODY EVER TRIED |
| 06:23.29 | budfive | oh. ok. yes then. :) |
| 06:23.41 | josch | railer, do you see my screenshots |
| 06:23.46 | railer | no |
| 06:23.49 | railer | where? |
| 06:23.50 | josch | took me five minutes |
| 06:23.55 | josch | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
| 06:23.58 | josch | the first two |
| 06:24.03 | josch | please have a look |
| 06:24.07 | josch | this is why |
| 06:24.08 | Jacen | Wow. :O |
| 06:24.09 | josch | i do never |
| 06:24.10 | josch | ever |
| 06:24.16 | josch | want to hear iphone here again |
| 06:24.20 | josch | freerunner is for freedom |
| 06:24.25 | josch | you can do VERYTHING |
| 06:24.28 | ieatlint | very nice josch |
| 06:24.29 | josch | EVERYTHING |
| 06:24.32 | josch | so please |
| 06:24.36 | josch | do not compare it |
| 06:24.40 | josch | the iphone is locked up |
| 06:24.41 | ieatlint | can you make some sort of python app to order pizzas and hookers? |
| 06:24.44 | josch | it takes freedom |
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| 06:25.03 | UndrWater | ieatlint: write it |
| 06:25.08 | josch | have a look on how quickly you can do everything with an open linux phone |
| 06:25.22 | josch | if you like proprietary shit |
| 06:25.24 | railer | ya ya ya, how do you get that stuff on the home page? |
| 06:25.38 | ieatlint | anyone know if FSO/zhone will support a security system with its dbus api? |
| 06:25.39 | josch | railer, its secret |
| 06:25.54 | railer | I soon wipe my ass with an iphone then use it |
| 06:26.00 | ieatlint | it occured to me that i could write an application that dialed phone numbers or sent sms without user interaction |
| 06:26.15 | josch | Jacen, gajim is python but as i can confirm its still as fast as you expect it to run |
| 06:26.22 | ieatlint | so i could go register like a 1-900#, and then start giving people apps so their phones call it |
| 06:26.36 | railer | yes you could |
| 06:26.39 | Jacen | Nice. :D |
| 06:26.42 | josch | what do you want now? i can install you open ofice |
| 06:26.56 | josch | but |
| 06:26.58 | railer | oo would be cool |
| 06:27.03 | Jacen | But uhh, I still have no idea how to do it. |
| 06:27.06 | josch | i will let this as an exercise to the reader |
| 06:27.07 | Jacen | Hehe |
| 06:27.21 | railer | just give me how to put shit on the home |
| 06:27.39 | josch | railer, if you find out how - you are worthy to do it |
| 06:27.45 | railer | I thought this would do it but nothing dbus-launch gconftool-2 -t boolean -s /deskto |
| 06:27.46 | railer | p/poky/internice/reduced false |
| 06:28.00 | josch | will go get hunting some food now |
| 06:28.04 | josch | nerd rage over |
| 06:28.20 | ieatlint | if you wrote that hooker/pizza app, you wouldn't have to look |
| 06:28.43 | ieatlint | link it in with the gps so it can tell them where you are |
| 06:30.06 | railer | well just drop a apache on it and make a mobile server |
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| 06:30.25 | UndrWater | moko LAMP |
| 06:30.39 | josch | use lighty |
| 06:30.43 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 06:30.46 | ieatlint | lighty better |
| 06:30.55 | UndrWater | lighty? |
| 06:31.02 | josch | i tried lighy one year ago on my gta01 |
| 06:31.08 | owen1 | so what is the current opinion about the freerunner? any insights from early adopters? |
| 06:31.11 | *** join/#openmoko eth01 (i=eth01@gentoo/user/eth01) |
| 06:31.13 | josch | lighttpd |
| 06:31.14 | railer | moko mobile ekg, for your nosey doctor |
| 06:31.37 | UndrWater | owen1: like to hack? |
| 06:32.02 | josch | owen1, the opinion is that it is what you need if you want to have a device you can do hack to its knees |
| 06:32.19 | josch | if you want to have a mobile phone - go buy a nokia |
| 06:32.25 | owen1 | josch: does the wifi and gps works? |
| 06:32.31 | josch | they do |
| 06:32.35 | owen1 | cool |
| 06:32.38 | UndrWater | wifi works...gps....maybe |
| 06:32.45 | josch | gps toes too |
| 06:32.53 | DocCod | anyone else have a nonworking ASU keyboard after doing an opkg upgrade today? |
| 06:32.53 | josch | there is a fix released as a kernel patch |
| 06:33.05 | UndrWater | josch: hack-around |
| 06:33.18 | owen1 | is it connecting to any wireless network around u? |
| 06:33.25 | josch | if you want to fix it by hardware grab yourself a 10pF cap |
| 06:33.37 | josch | owen1, ? |
| 06:33.40 | UndrWater | josch: made my point |
| 06:33.55 | UndrWater | owen1: connecting here at home... |
| 06:34.01 | josch | now you can not even hack the sw but also the hardware |
| 06:34.26 | owen1 | UndrWater: but let's say u go outside. will it try to connect automatically? |
| 06:34.26 | mmontour | ieatlint: see http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/ for the pizza. You'll have to do the 'hookers' part yourself (although you can probably download the necessary data from craigslist) |
| 06:34.53 | ieatlint | note that units to be sold starting july 25 are confirmed to have the gps hw fix already |
| 06:35.03 | ieatlint | mmontour: yeah, i've seen that, hehe |
| 06:35.08 | owen1 | how easy is it to connect it to other wifi networks? |
| 06:35.11 | UndrWater | owen1: you'll have to hack your config files yourself....but it should |
| 06:35.27 | josch | owen1, just open up /etc/network/interfaces :D |
| 06:35.28 | UndrWater | i haven't figured it out yet |
| 06:35.28 | ieatlint | where i live, any automated search of craigslist for hooker phone numbers could give some very bad results |
| 06:35.38 | ieatlint | "you're not really, a woman, are you?" ... |
| 06:35.50 | josch | owen1, if you are lazy for that - code some gtk app for yourself |
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| 06:35.56 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 06:36.03 | owen1 | josch: got it. |
| 06:36.39 | ieatlint | josch strikes me as the kind of guy who uses telnet to connect to irc because he CAN |
| 06:36.53 | josch | correct |
| 06:36.55 | ieatlint | and damnit, pop3 protocol isn't that hard to memorise, it's all ascii |
| 06:37.13 | josch | ieatlint, but it isnt fun anymore after like five minutes or so |
| 06:37.27 | ieatlint | yeah, i tried it once too |
| 06:37.28 | josch | reading email by telnet is much easier |
| 06:37.31 | josch | irc is pain |
| 06:37.39 | ieatlint | keeping track of which message is from which channel is quite annoying |
| 06:37.48 | ieatlint | and then all that typing.. |
| 06:38.06 | josch | i am glad i made the right impression with all those new guys around here |
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| 06:38.58 | Jacen | There a GUI for connecting/disconnecting from Wifi laying around for the 2007.2? |
| 06:39.01 | Sup3rkiddo | does ssh in the Freerunner allow X port forwarding? |
| 06:39.04 | UndrWater | what's the cli irc client? |
| 06:39.07 | ieatlint | i already had that attitude, but with an equal dose of procrastination |
| 06:39.25 | josch | Sup3rkiddo, for me in debian on the neo it does ;) |
| 06:39.34 | josch | UndrWater, irssi |
| 06:39.45 | UndrWater | josch: thanks..yeah that |
| 06:40.06 | UndrWater | not available |
| 06:40.13 | chillywilly | bah |
| 06:40.18 | mmontour | Sup3rkiddo: yes |
| 06:40.24 | kd8ikt | cjb: |
| 06:40.36 | railer | josch what impression? |
| 06:41.03 | Sup3rkiddo | mmontour, josch, cool |
| 06:41.07 | josch | railer, <ieatlint> josch strikes me as the kind of guy who uses telnet to connect to irc because he CAN |
| 06:41.15 | kd8ikt | i think cjb goes to mit |
| 06:42.08 | railer | well that's nice, but are you willing to help others as well? |
| 06:42.29 | mbuf | Sup3rkiddo, use ssh -X |
| 06:42.43 | Sup3rkiddo | mbuf, yep |
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| 06:43.18 | UndrWater | firefox via ssh: |
| 06:43.20 | UndrWater | ? |
| 06:43.41 | railer | logout shh |
| 06:43.49 | railer | opps |
| 06:44.02 | railer | too many keyboards |
| 06:44.03 | Jacen | Hay josch, think you could get Miranda into an openmoko format and send to me? xD |
| 06:44.18 | ieatlint | railer: the channel's drinking game says you have to take a drink now (typing commands for the FR into the channel) |
| 06:44.19 | UndrWater | links? |
| 06:44.28 | josch | Jacen, no |
| 06:44.37 | Jacen | Didn't think so. :p |
| 06:44.54 | josch | miranda is a windows app |
| 06:44.58 | josch | happy porting |
| 06:45.12 | Jacen | It didn't used to be |
| 06:45.17 | josch | UndrWater, links works fine |
| 06:45.19 | UndrWater | miranda? |
| 06:45.23 | Jacen | And I'm pretty sure it's still OpenSource |
| 06:45.23 | josch | links -g even better |
| 06:45.39 | ieatlint | wicd and wifi-radar are the ones people talk about porting to the FR |
| 06:45.43 | UndrWater | josch: links is not available via opkg |
| 06:45.45 | josch | anyone interested in windows 3.1 on the freerunner? |
| 06:45.52 | josch | UndrWater, depends on your repository |
| 06:46.03 | UndrWater | josch: maybe |
| 06:46.06 | josch | no |
| 06:46.08 | josch | for sure |
| 06:46.11 | bbb8 | haha |
| 06:46.14 | UndrWater | what's the config? |
| 06:46.26 | josch | i would use the repo of Marcel_M |
| 06:46.30 | josch | he does great builds |
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| 06:46.36 | josch | all kind of stuff you can imagine |
| 06:46.39 | pjz | ieatlint: minor fixes there, to be more functional-ish and more pythonish and more data driven |
| 06:46.42 | josch | get it here: |
| 06:46.47 | UndrWater | where does opkg store repos? |
| 06:47.17 | josch | http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/celtune-rabenfrost.conf |
| 06:47.17 | pjz | ieatlint: and you can of course inline the vars in the LEDS structure |
| 06:47.17 | josch | UndrWater, download it to /etc/opkg |
| 06:47.17 | josch | and do opkg update |
| 06:47.35 | ieatlint | yay |
| 06:47.38 | UndrWater | thanks! i'll check it out |
| 06:47.54 | ieatlint | i'm about at the end of my day... going to bed soon |
| 06:48.04 | UndrWater | time to eat ginger cookies |
| 06:48.11 | mmontour | josch: yeah, I saw that Windows3.1 thing - http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/windows-3-1-gets-installed-on-nokias-n810-looks-badly-out-of-p/ |
| 06:48.29 | Jacen | How did you go about compiling Gaim for the OpenMoko anyways? |
| 06:48.57 | josch | mmontour, let me try this on the neo |
| 06:49.14 | josch | Jacen, you mean pidgin |
| 06:49.22 | josch | Jacen, should i try pidgin four you? :D |
| 06:49.56 | Jacen | Sure. :D |
| 06:50.10 | josch | and again |
| 06:50.15 | josch | pidgin is ready for you |
| 06:50.19 | josch | in the repo of Marcel_M |
| 06:50.25 | josch | kindly hosted on my server ;) |
| 06:51.05 | Jacen | Ah okay. |
| 06:51.33 | Jacen | Thanke. :D |
| 06:53.51 | UndrWater | josch: will work on qtopia? |
| 06:54.03 | Jacen | Oh I should prolly ask, did you make it for the gta01 or 02? |
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| 06:56.47 | josch | windows 3.1 is installing... |
| 06:56.57 | mmontour | :) |
| 06:56.58 | swc|666 | has anyone been able to get GPRS to work with AT&T? |
| 06:57.10 | Jacen | >_> Hmm, where are the Marcel_M repos located? |
| 06:57.15 | josch | http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/celtune-rabenfrost.conf |
| 06:58.10 | mmontour | Windows is good for a laugh, but I'd be more interested in getting a C64 or Amiga emulator working. I just tried building the 'e-uae' recipe that's in OE but it failed. |
| 06:58.42 | pjz | josch: is adding those to 2007.2 safe? |
| 06:58.52 | pjz | josch: I mean, are they for 2007.2 or qtopia, or ASU or what? |
| 06:59.34 | josch | -.- |
| 06:59.54 | josch | mmontour, of course - its another "i do it because i can" |
| 06:59.55 | josch | :D |
| 07:00.58 | mmontour | josch: yeah, I know. I had a similar experience getting my Neo1973 to send an amateur-radio APRS report a few weeks ago |
| 07:01.15 | josch | ;) |
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| 07:11.28 | kd8ikt | that is pretty neat though |
| 07:11.41 | kd8ikt | have like a usb TNC or somethin? |
| 07:12.34 | mmontour | kd8ikt: no, I made a custom circuit to connect the headphone audio to my Icom radio. |
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| 07:13.06 | josch | wohooo 3.1 seems to be a heavy app - takes ages to start up |
| 07:13.12 | kd8ikt | neato |
| 07:13.24 | josch | takes longer than gimp |
| 07:13.29 | josch | has to be better though |
| 07:13.38 | josch | more features and stuff |
| 07:13.41 | josch | eats my ram |
| 07:14.22 | mmontour | josch: You'll be able to play the real version of Minesweeper, not the poor imitation that comes with the Openmoko distribution :) |
| 07:14.38 | josch | wuaah! :D |
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| 07:15.25 | kd8ikt | hm /dev/input/event 2 and 3 are null |
| 07:16.01 | kd8ikt | i should probably just reflash everything to the latest build |
| 07:16.29 | kd8ikt | not like there is anything special/important on it |
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| 07:18.39 | railer | mmontour you an Ham? |
| 07:19.02 | mmontour | railer: yes. callsign is VE7ABP |
| 07:20.00 | kd8ikt | i hate that everyone on 2m around here are old hillbillys that talk about windows (scary part is i hear windows me talked about a lot) |
| 07:20.15 | kd8ikt | shudders |
| 07:20.16 | railer | me no but know lots use to sell amateur equipment, VE6THD was a friend of mine |
| 07:20.33 | railer | no skip! |
| 07:20.46 | Bish | wants his freerunner :( |
| 07:21.14 | railer | quietest I've even seen the 10-11 M bands |
| 07:21.44 | mmontour | kd8ikt: I'm trying to gradually spread awareness of Linux and Open Source. |
| 07:22.06 | kd8ikt | me2 |
| 07:22.27 | kd8ikt | missionaries in an unholy Scumsoft land |
| 07:22.36 | Infinyt1 | Where do music files need to be for the openmoko-mediaplayer2 to see them? |
| 07:22.42 | kd8ikt | anywhere |
| 07:22.53 | Infinyt1 | Hmm |
| 07:23.06 | kd8ikt | default i think looks in /mnt/card (SDcard mntpoint) |
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| 07:24.01 | kd8ikt | but you can stick em anywhere and be able to load em |
| 07:24.13 | Infinyt1 | Huh, it can't seem to find mine |
| 07:25.23 | kd8ikt | you mean you cant |
| 07:25.39 | Infinyt1 | Prolly something like that. |
| 07:25.40 | Bish | :D |
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| 07:27.20 | malik1972 | good morning |
| 07:27.46 | malik1972 | rotation in 2007.2 gives me a miscalibrated screen |
| 07:28.19 | malik1972 | any hints in the mailing lists etc? |
| 07:28.57 | Infinyt1 | Well I know where the file is (I can ls it anyways), so how do I tell the media player to uhh.. Play it. >_> |
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| 07:30.54 | josch | Sup3rkiddo, lol now you are in the internets! http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ (the contact window :P ) |
| 07:31.14 | kd8ikt | Infinyt1: explore the media player and its buttons |
| 07:31.24 | kd8ikt | you'll figure it out |
| 07:31.57 | railer | anyone know where some game are? |
| 07:32.02 | railer | games |
| 07:32.18 | kd8ikt | i like net |
| 07:32.19 | josch | i already told you the best repo for stuff |
| 07:32.56 | malik1972 | http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ |
| 07:32.58 | railer | sorry I'll go back and look, I missed it |
| 07:33.00 | kd8ikt | opkg install task-openmoko-games |
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| 07:33.16 | kd8ikt | a whole butt load |
| 07:33.25 | malik1972 | opkg remove task-openmoko-games |
| 07:33.34 | malik1972 | first thing to do |
| 07:33.44 | kd8ikt | and i saw a pkg for scumvm on the buildhost |
| 07:33.59 | railer | malik why? |
| 07:34.07 | josch | try wesnoth on the neo |
| 07:34.09 | kd8ikt | what no gameboy emulator? oh yeah no buttons |
| 07:34.10 | josch | its fun |
| 07:34.20 | railer | wesnoth love wesnoth! |
| 07:35.16 | railer | all that's left is wifi hook up |
| 07:35.32 | railer | and of course get a phone number |
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| 07:36.06 | Sup3rkiddo | josch, hehe....:D |
| 07:36.24 | railer | sweet that a lot of games! |
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| 07:36.37 | josch | railer, what do you expect??? |
| 07:36.39 | josch | its linuy |
| 07:36.40 | josch | linux |
| 07:36.53 | josch | you can play anything opensource as far as the hardware is enough |
| 07:38.07 | railer | josch I really didn't expect many games, still in development and all that |
| 07:38.31 | josch | railer, but you *know* that there are liinux games out there? |
| 07:38.46 | Bish | moon-buggy |
| 07:38.50 | railer | oh yes, play them all the time |
| 07:38.58 | josch | okay so why the question? |
| 07:39.17 | josch | feel free you install anything that you can play on your desktop as long as the hardware is enogh |
| 07:39.25 | railer | i just didn't expect to port so easily to the phone |
| 07:39.31 | josch | well |
| 07:39.37 | josch | if you want a desktop on your phone |
| 07:39.44 | josch | i recommend you to run debian on the freerunner |
| 07:39.47 | Sup3rkiddo | OE is to be "blamed" for that |
| 07:40.21 | josch | there you have a full repo of EVERYTHING debian has |
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| 07:40.36 | josch | railer, okay? |
| 07:40.42 | Infinyt1 | Woah |
| 07:40.42 | josch | Infinyt1, you are new to irc arent you? |
| 07:40.42 | Infinyt1 | Aye. |
| 07:40.45 | Bish | :D |
| 07:40.47 | josch | this is normal - get used to it |
| 07:40.53 | Infinyt1 | Ah. |
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| 07:41.10 | railer | yes thank you |
| 07:41.17 | Bish | waits for his freerunner |
| 07:41.22 | Bish | and waits. |
| 07:42.04 | josch | i dont want to hear anybody complain that app xy will not work or even wether app xy will work this is linux and not any iphone crap - get used to the fact that you can anything on it that the hardware is capable of |
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| 07:42.44 | Bish | :D |
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| 07:46.13 | Infinyt1 | I agree entirely. Now I just have to figure out how. x) |
| 07:46.59 | josch | great |
| 07:47.11 | kd8ikt | josch: $app wont work! fix it.. damnit |
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| 07:47.31 | josch | kd8ikt, right - you can fix it because it's OPEN SOURCE |
| 07:47.34 | josch | good point |
| 07:47.41 | kd8ikt | ;D |
| 07:47.59 | kd8ikt | i need to build a gui frontend to wireless stuff |
| 07:48.16 | kd8ikt | not practical to go sshing in or using the terminal |
| 07:48.29 | Bish | is watching videos/movies on freeruner possible, if preencodedß |
| 07:48.39 | josch | just ask other openmoko seniors around here how far the planning for a wifi gui is |
| 07:48.57 | kd8ikt | why |
| 07:49.00 | josch | i'm more into debian than in openmoko |
| 07:49.07 | kd8ikt | ew |
| 07:49.09 | josch | kd8ikt, i'm sure this is something already worked on |
| 07:49.22 | budfive | one can just run debian on the FR, right? |
| 07:49.27 | josch | i only use debian on my gta01 because i hate the restrictions of an embedded distro |
| 07:49.36 | josch | budfive, i wrote a wiki page for it, yes |
| 07:49.41 | josch | you can also run gentoo |
| 07:49.44 | josch | or slackware |
| 07:49.46 | budfive | ok. i'll go rtfm. thanks |
| 07:49.47 | josch | or, or, or |
| 07:49.53 | josch | budfive, this was EXACTLY |
| 07:49.54 | malik1972 | opensuse? |
| 07:49.54 | Bish | josch: compiling on fr? oO |
| 07:49.59 | josch | what i wrote about above |
| 07:50.04 | josch | of course you can run debian |
| 07:50.09 | josch | the question is only |
| 07:50.10 | josch | how |
| 07:50.10 | kd8ikt | netbsd |
| 07:50.19 | josch | Bish, yes |
| 07:50.22 | kd8ikt | though i cant say i like bsd |
| 07:50.28 | josch | Bish, i use it to compile stuff on my neo |
| 07:50.33 | Bish | haha.. openoffice would take forever |
| 07:50.42 | josch | kd8ikt, there are people porting the bsd kernel i suppose |
| 07:50.57 | josch | Bish, no - only 6 weeks |
| 07:51.00 | kd8ikt | if |
| 07:51.01 | Bish | josch: u are running gentoo on freerunner :D? |
| 07:51.05 | josch | i did |
| 07:51.11 | josch | at the 24c3 in berlin last year |
| 07:51.15 | Bish | with distcc? |
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| 07:51.23 | josch | without distcc |
| 07:51.26 | Bish | hrhr |
| 07:51.58 | Bish | what about watchin' movies on it, is it possible if pre-encoded? |
| 07:52.06 | josch | on the gta01, yes |
| 07:52.14 | josch | i watched 300 |
| 07:52.48 | Bish | and on freerunner? with crappy glamo? |
| 07:53.03 | josch | dont know |
| 07:53.07 | josch | i have no fr |
| 07:53.08 | Infinyt1 | Where'd you learn to compile stuff josch? |
| 07:53.10 | josch | i need no phone |
| 07:53.14 | josch | so no fr for me |
| 07:53.20 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:53.25 | josch | Infinyt1, natively or with oe? |
| 07:53.30 | Bish | hehe learn to compile |
| 07:53.38 | josch | Bish, compiling by hand |
| 07:53.52 | josch | i did never learn anything in a specific place |
| 07:54.03 | josch | if i want to know something i look it up anywhere on the net |
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| 07:54.09 | Infinyt1 | Ah |
| 07:54.25 | josch | i'm not the kind of person who reads big books or tutorials and afterwards does his stuff |
| 07:54.28 | josch | i just begin |
| 07:54.32 | josch | and look things up i need |
| 07:54.35 | josch | then i fail |
| 07:54.38 | josch | and start over again |
| 07:54.39 | Bish | :D |
| 07:54.46 | josch | this is how i learn best |
| 07:54.46 | budfive | josch: I looked at the debian wiki page. Very intrigued about just doing this on my FR instead of using the openmoko releases. I run debian on my desktop, so it shouldn't be too difficult. What's the disadvantage? |
| 07:55.15 | josch | budfive, well it's more hassle to use it as a phone ;) |
| 07:55.29 | josch | but of course you can install the openmoko phone apps on debian armel too |
| 07:55.41 | josch | our you just phone by using cu :P |
| 07:56.00 | budfive | it's more of a hassle only because the frontends aren't there... |
| 07:56.08 | josch | they are there |
| 07:56.10 | josch | but |
| 07:56.19 | josch | you have to build them on debian from source |
| 07:56.28 | josch | this could be hard for an unexperienced user |
| 07:56.49 | budfive | seems like a good way to do the development is to decoulple the lowlevel libraries (phone hardware interfaces, gsm, etc) from the gui elements, so one could write different GUIs. Is this already the case? |
| 07:57.00 | josch | fso |
| 07:57.01 | budfive | sorry about the basic question. haven't looked at the openmoko sources yet |
| 07:57.01 | josch | yes |
| 07:57.23 | josch | fso is there to do exactly that |
| 07:57.31 | josch | provide a framework for any gui app |
| 07:57.32 | budfive | so this in the plan, but hasn't been done yet? |
| 07:57.38 | josch | it is in the makings |
| 07:57.54 | budfive | ok. |
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| 07:58.54 | malik1972 | rotation on 2007.2 seems to be broken, tried to recalibrate, but it only calibrates the default, not landscape |
| 07:58.57 | budfive | i'm thinking about using a very simple full-scrren-only WM that supports an appicon area (one probably already exists), and runnign the phone apps on top of that |
| 07:59.09 | budfive | openmoko is writing their own WM, right? |
| 07:59.19 | budfive | does that seem unnecessary? |
| 07:59.31 | josch | i'm out of this discussion |
| 08:00.10 | railer | anyone know why http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/wesnoth/ is 403 forbidden? |
| 08:00.11 | budfive | ok. thanks anyway |
| 08:00.42 | balrog-kun | malik1972: when you calibrate after switching to landscape it still doesn't work in landscape?? |
| 08:01.10 | malik1972 | balrog-kun: tried this also |
| 08:01.37 | balrog-kun | this should definitely work |
| 08:02.14 | balrog-kun | well, unless the calibration app uses the framebuffer directly |
| 08:02.21 | balrog-kun | which i think it does :P |
| 08:02.28 | malik1972 | balrog-kun: doing calibration on landscape messes the screen |
| 08:03.24 | malik1972 | balrog-kun:how to handle this |
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| 08:04.06 | balrog-kun | malik1972: if you don't want to hack X11 then i think you need to have two separate /etc/pointercal files |
| 08:04.13 | balrog-kun | and swap them |
| 08:04.45 | Bish | is watching videos possible on freerunner? |
| 08:04.52 | Bish | with preencoding |
| 08:05.02 | malik1972 | balrog-kun but i have to get a correct one for landscape |
| 08:05.25 | malik1972 | okay, will try copying |
| 08:05.43 | josch | malik1972, this is strange |
| 08:05.46 | josch | on my neo1973 |
| 08:05.53 | josch | no other calibartion is needed |
| 08:05.57 | josch | but |
| 08:06.14 | josch | i saw strange issues with touchscreen on freerunner also with debian |
| 08:06.23 | josch | the /etc/pointercal will no longer work there |
| 08:06.27 | malik1972 | how can i rotate from console |
| 08:06.32 | josch | but afaik it is the same kind of ts |
| 08:06.39 | josch | malik1972, xrandr -o [1-4] |
| 08:06.46 | josch | [0-3] |
| 08:06.57 | malik1972 | +90? |
| 08:07.11 | malik1972 | -90 |
| 08:07.12 | balrog-kun | malik1972: it's a matter of exchanging some of the values in the file, there are 7 |
| 08:07.17 | josch | balrog-kun, you know who is into the whole xorg/tslib/ts stuff? |
| 08:08.11 | josch | edistar recently tried debian on the freerunner and failed with calibrating the ts as his /etc/pointercal was no longer recognized |
| 08:08.20 | kd8ikt | my cat sure does love my stylus |
| 08:08.22 | josch | i can not imagine why because the ts didnt change |
| 08:08.44 | josch | and imho has to be calibrated same as the ts in gta01 was |
| 08:09.58 | balrog-kun | possibly values 5 <-> 1 and 6 <-> 2 but i may be wrong |
| 08:10.03 | balrog-kun | josch: zecke i think |
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| 08:10.16 | josch | balrog-kun, thx |
| 08:10.26 | Bish | can nobody here answer my question? |
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| 08:10.47 | balrog-kun | Bish: it's possible |
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| 08:10.58 | doc|home | Bish: yes, at 320x240 |
| 08:11.12 | josch | prerotated |
| 08:11.15 | balrog-kun | though i've not managed to get sound in mplayer when i tried |
| 08:11.16 | Bish | great :) |
| 08:11.17 | doc|home | no |
| 08:11.22 | josch | i wrote a nice mencoder line for this job |
| 08:11.22 | doc|home | they need not be prerotated |
| 08:11.31 | doc|home | that can be done in hardware |
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| 08:11.34 | josch | doc|home, but they work better if they are |
| 08:11.59 | josch | balrog-kun, this might have rather been an alsa mixer issue? |
| 08:12.07 | doc|home | josch: shouldn't make any difference I've been told, by the person that wrote the mplayer codec for the freerunner |
| 08:12.16 | josch | ah okay |
| 08:12.21 | josch | only did this on the gta01 |
| 08:12.32 | balrog-kun | josch: nope, it's mplayer's also driver or gta02's also driver |
| 08:12.37 | josch | okay |
| 08:12.40 | balrog-kun | it would error rather than just be silent |
| 08:13.03 | balrog-kun | s/also/alsa/g |
| 08:13.11 | kd8ikt | wtf |
| 08:13.36 | emdete | josch: ping |
| 08:13.43 | josch | emdete, pong |
| 08:14.01 | malik1972 | emdete: moin |
| 08:14.38 | emdete | hi malik1972 ! :D |
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| 08:15.32 | malik1972 | emdete: andys kernel fixed my gps issues |
| 08:17.02 | emdete | shure, why not: it switches off sd often ;) |
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| 08:18.44 | malik1972 | emdete: does it have any side effect like performance reduction |
| 08:19.31 | emdete | you should be able to test that ;) |
| 08:19.58 | emdete | just use sd alot when the gps ist looking for a fix.. that should not work |
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| 08:20.57 | malik1972 | emdete: i see. i have my rootfs on sd, that should be a showstopper concerning gps |
| 08:21.43 | SpeedEvil | I can do the rework to fix the GPS for anyone in the UK. |
| 08:21.47 | kd8ikt | good lord finding an image/rootfs isnt easy |
| 08:21.55 | kd8ikt | there are millions |
| 08:21.57 | malik1972 | emdete: how often gps looks for a fix, from time to time or ... |
| 08:22.08 | SpeedEvil | well - the 10pf fix mentioned on the wiki |
| 08:22.08 | malik1972 | kf8ikt: which one |
| 08:22.21 | kd8ikt | was just browsing scaredy |
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| 08:22.30 | emdete | malik1972: ohne after a cold start is a critical moment |
| 08:22.31 | kd8ikt | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ |
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| 08:22.46 | josch | SpeedEvil, anything official about this fix yet? |
| 08:23.00 | emdete | malik1972: because it need uninterupted conn to at least one sat for a minute |
| 08:23.23 | SpeedEvil | Not as far as I know - just the image |
| 08:23.37 | SpeedEvil | pdf |
| 08:24.11 | emdete | SpeedEvil: where did you get those capacitors? |
| 08:25.04 | malik1972 | SpeedEvil: yes, lets make a workshop;-) |
| 08:25.15 | kd8ikt | actually i only see one image in there for gta02 |
| 08:25.31 | mw| | | /bin/sh: gobject-generate-constants: command not found |
| 08:25.34 | mw| | hmmm |
| 08:26.54 | emdete | kd8ikt: the sw fix is for the gta02 only |
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| 08:28.07 | kd8ikt | thats what i have |
| 08:28.07 | SpeedEvil | I did tests |
| 08:28.21 | SpeedEvil | gta01 has no SD issue at all |
| 08:28.27 | kd8ikt | i already have a kernel that fixed the gps/sd |
| 08:28.35 | SpeedEvil | emdete: stock |
| 08:29.08 | malik1972 | kd8ikt: any performance issues? |
| 08:29.12 | kd8ikt | but accelleromters /suspend are fubared now i want to clean flash a good latest |
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| 08:29.37 | kd8ikt | brb |
| 08:29.39 | malik1972 | who is responsible for powermanagement? |
| 08:30.58 | malik1972 | the hackers should also concentrate on that issue |
| 08:32.45 | malik1972 | i have the feeling that opinions converning pm goe to different directions |
| 08:33.07 | malik1972 | does anyone have a battery life > 1d? |
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| 08:42.54 | kd8ikt | dunno miine was dead when i woke up |
| 08:45.24 | kd8ikt | i'm gonna have to try building my own again cause this is murder finding the latest |
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| 08:48.15 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rad6420ad1847 10/odeviced/src/plugins/audio/ (Makefile.am audio.plugin audio.vala): initial commit of audio plugin |
| 08:48.16 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r471ba3871244 10/odeviced/src/daemon/plugin.vala: Remove unused property |
| 08:51.29 | SpeedEvil | PM is a big issue. |
| 08:51.43 | SpeedEvil | There are about 7 or 8 different areas that need addressed. |
| 08:52.07 | SpeedEvil | Spread over userspace, kernel, and libs. |
| 08:54.35 | railer | anyone know why mtpaint is missing install and xserver install |
| 08:54.49 | railer | restart not install |
| 08:55.46 | malik1972 | SpeedEvil: what do you think how long this may take? |
| 08:56.49 | kd8ikt | months |
| 08:57.00 | kd8ikt | so relax |
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| 09:09.29 | kd8ikt | flashin a fs |
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| 09:09.40 | kd8ikt | i wuv you guys |
| 09:10.13 | dns53 | hi kd8ikt |
| 09:10.44 | kd8ikt | morinin |
| 09:10.51 | kd8ikt | omg its 5am |
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| 09:13.30 | balrog-kun | NOWAI |
| 09:13.43 | SpeedEvil | 10AM ITYM. |
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| 09:21.01 | ChandleWEi | how to use openmoko-mediaplayer2 ? |
| 09:21.28 | ChandleWEi | I don't know how to select file to play |
| 09:23.29 | SpeedEvil | You have to add it to a playlist first I think |
| 09:24.10 | kd8ikt | ok this is weird flashed my rootfs +kernel but.. all the programs i installed before still exist (i thought that shit would be wiped) |
| 09:25.40 | balrog-kun | kd8ikt: i think that happens because you didn't erase the whole partition explicitely |
| 09:25.51 | balrog-kun | it's flwaed |
| 09:25.55 | balrog-kun | flawed |
| 09:26.07 | kd8ikt | so do it again but read the --help |
| 09:26.13 | kd8ikt | ;) |
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| 09:27.28 | kd8ikt | doesnt even say anything about that in the --help |
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| 09:28.04 | kd8ikt | wtf am i supposed to do write zeros to it |
| 09:29.27 | kd8ikt | rm -rf / |
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| 09:32.51 | balrog-kun | kd8ikt: "nand erase rootfs" in u-boot |
| 09:33.28 | kd8ikt | hm |
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| 09:34.08 | kd8ikt | option non existent |
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| 09:35.07 | kd8ikt | u-boot 1.3.2-rc2-dirty-moko12 ...lovely |
| 09:35.09 | ebbe | kd8ikt: You have to log in to it |
| 09:36.17 | kd8ikt | ok |
| 09:40.00 | Sargun | its so dirty. |
| 09:40.26 | kd8ikt | that is a pretty funny version |
| 09:40.41 | kd8ikt | i kinda dont want to upgrade it ever |
| 09:41.09 | kd8ikt | dirty moko, cause lets face it the only time your in it is when things get slopy |
| 09:41.53 | kd8ikt | time to douche it out |
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| 09:58.07 | ChandleWEi | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1568， how to find this user gen? |
| 10:01.05 | kd8ikt | why |
| 10:01.12 | kd8ikt | having the same issue? |
| 10:01.28 | ChandleWEi | yes |
| 10:01.43 | kd8ikt | find someone with a debug board to try flashing it |
| 10:02.02 | ChandleWEi | kd8ikt: I don't know how to use debug to flash nor flash |
| 10:03.25 | kd8ikt | http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board_v3 |
| 10:03.42 | kd8ikt | more or less like regular flashing |
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| 10:04.29 | TAsn | kd8ikt, what can you do with a debug board that you can't without? |
| 10:04.38 | TAsn | software wise that is. |
| 10:04.45 | TAsn | nothing, right? |
| 10:04.47 | kd8ikt | bootloader? |
| 10:04.57 | ChandleWEi | kd8ikt:thx |
| 10:05.16 | TAsn | only debug board owners can change the bootloader? |
| 10:05.24 | kd8ikt | can you flash the nor without it TAsn |
| 10:06.14 | TAsn | well so how not having the debug board will affect me? |
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| 10:08.21 | kd8ikt | only if you break some lowlevel boot stuff |
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| 10:08.47 | kd8ikt | or like Chewbaca here came from the factory with an empty NOR |
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| 10:13.51 | kd8ikt | omfg rootfs isnt erasing |
| 10:14.20 | kd8ikt | this is my 3rd flash and nothing changed |
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| 10:20.06 | ecraven | is there an adapter to use the FR in a car? |
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| 10:25.39 | kd8ikt | any car ciggarette > usb should do it |
| 10:25.58 | kd8ikt | did you forget its charge port was a usb? |
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| 10:26.07 | kd8ikt | Universal Serial Bus |
| 10:26.10 | kd8ikt | says it all |
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| 10:28.53 | kd8ikt | http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Mini-HTC-Car-USB-Car-Phone-charger/3181478/product.html?cid=123620&fp=F&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=11300564 |
| 10:29.03 | ecraven | kd8ikt: is there anything like cigarette -> usb?? |
| 10:29.19 | ecraven | ah, thanks! now to find that in Austria.. |
| 10:29.25 | kd8ikt | love how non propreitary connector devices are a dime a dozen |
| 10:29.36 | kd8ikt | find an electronics store |
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| 10:29.46 | kd8ikt | sure they have one give em all a call |
| 10:30.11 | kd8ikt | have a dingo or roo run it to ya |
| 10:31.27 | ecraven | austria, not australia ;-P |
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| 10:32.59 | kd8ikt | oh |
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| 10:36.26 | balrog-kun | hah somehow i had undestood australia too |
| 10:36.54 | kd8ikt | i see aust i think down under |
| 10:36.58 | ecraven | happens all the time ;) |
| 10:37.00 | kd8ikt | aussie |
| 10:37.07 | ecraven | we even have t-shirts that say "austria, no kangaroos" |
| 10:37.22 | balrog-kun | i think australia should be forced to drop the name |
| 10:37.37 | kd8ikt | well if you said something like guten morgan |
| 10:38.09 | kd8ikt | and never say "mate" unless your talking about doing the wild thing |
| 10:38.26 | ecraven | what is the usual current for charging via usb? 1A? |
| 10:38.42 | ecraven | scots say mate a lot :) |
| 10:38.45 | kd8ikt | ugh god i dunno +5 or somethin check wikipedia |
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| 10:51.43 | ecraven | ah, why doesn't anyone offer a car holder for the neo? |
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| 10:58.02 | TAsn | ecraven, since not that many people own one, and it's not even officially out yet, don't forget it's a development version. furthermore, i guess that's because any car mount will do. |
| 10:58.35 | TAsn | my father has one for his nokia n95 that can do the trick |
| 10:59.20 | TAsn | even better than for the n95 i must add, since the n95 has a very sensitive "open gallery" on the size, and every time he mounts the phone in it, it opens the gallery :) |
| 10:59.27 | ecraven | i found some that can't go down to 6.2cm, so i didn't want to order just any one |
| 11:04.57 | kd8ikt | get some amazing velcro |
| 11:05.11 | kd8ikt | its space aged! |
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| 11:12.55 | kd8ikt | ok wtf opkg is taking liek an hour to download |
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| 11:23.01 | kd8ikt | lol chnaged the background pic to wall-e |
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| 11:23.14 | kd8ikt | mornin 666 |
| 11:23.17 | Bish | wall-e rox |
| 11:23.25 | swc|666 | kd8ikt: moring |
| 11:24.29 | kd8ikt | here check it out i'll show you a screenshot |
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| 11:24.50 | kd8ikt | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
| 11:25.31 | kd8ikt | see it? |
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| 11:25.56 | kd8ikt | wait the time is way off |
| 11:26.05 | kd8ikt | supposed to say 7AM |
| 11:28.33 | kd8ikt | ps if ya didnt know heres how to hack up the UI a bit http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2 |
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| 11:28.54 | kd8ikt | hated that clock taking up the whole home screen |
| 11:28.59 | swc|666 | nice |
| 11:29.09 | kd8ikt | see that screen dump? |
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| 11:29.24 | kd8ikt | i still cant get over the moko's screen res |
| 11:29.52 | swc|666 | yes its very nice :) |
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| 11:32.59 | kd8ikt | now how to change the lock screen |
| 11:33.06 | kd8ikt | doesnt care for the matrix |
| 11:33.28 | kd8ikt | unless its {0,0,1,2,4,0} |
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| 11:34.26 | swc|666 | kd8ikt: how did you manage to calibrate tslib in debian? |
| 11:35.14 | kd8ikt | tslib? oh is that a pic on the webpage? |
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| 11:35.17 | kd8ikt | want me bro |
| 11:35.22 | kd8ikt | wasnt* |
| 11:35.26 | swc|666 | ahhh |
| 11:35.29 | swc|666 | who is that? |
| 11:35.31 | kd8ikt | my only screen is the walle one |
| 11:35.40 | kd8ikt | its an anonymous pic pastebin |
| 11:35.46 | swc|666 | :/ |
| 11:35.51 | swc|666 | no worries |
| 11:35.57 | swc|666 | i'll get it sorted |
| 11:36.03 | kd8ikt | i bet it was josch |
| 11:36.10 | kd8ikt | he's a deb nut |
| 11:36.20 | kd8ikt | has it on his 1973 |
| 11:36.56 | amarsh04 | runs Debian on 2 pc's and one laptop here |
| 11:36.58 | swc|666 | sweet... if i dont get it fixed soon i'll see what he has to say... |
| 11:38.32 | josch | huh? what did i do? |
| 11:38.55 | swc|666 | lol |
| 11:38.59 | kd8ikt | josch $app isnt working |
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| 11:39.10 | swc|666 | josch - do you have debian running on the FR? |
| 11:39.17 | kd8ikt | FIX MY COMPUTER |
| 11:39.17 | josch | i have no fr |
| 11:39.25 | josch | no i will not fix your computer |
| 11:39.27 | swc|666 | i cant get a good pointercal |
| 11:39.31 | josch | ah! |
| 11:39.36 | josch | swc|666, a known problem |
| 11:39.39 | josch | ask edistar |
| 11:39.43 | josch | he has the same problem |
| 11:39.48 | swc|666 | :s |
| 11:39.50 | swc|666 | k |
| 11:39.50 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 11:40.03 | kd8ikt | why so two blind people can lead themselves? |
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| 11:42.16 | swc|666 | another question... the atheros wlan ... i havent full tested this yet on a wifi router, but it seems that it only reports 1M for the card rate when you put it in other speeds, i.e. 54M 11M etc... anyone know if this is just a driver/firmware thing where its not reporting correct in wireless tools or if its really just 1M? |
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| 11:47.05 | kd8ikt | i knoticed that too |
| 11:47.33 | kd8ikt | then again i dont plan on torrenting on this thing... 1M is better then 0M |
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| 11:49.36 | rwhitby | Anyone here know the expected voltage of the backup battery in the GTA01 and GTA02? |
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| 11:50.17 | kd8ikt | 666 then agian the lower the rate the farther you can stray from the AP |
| 11:51.31 | almien | can you plug regular USB keyboards into a freerunner (with some appropriate USB->miniUSB adapter) ? |
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| 11:53.44 | kd8ikt | yeah i've seen someone do it already |
| 11:54.25 | kd8ikt | if i had a usb kb i might try, but hey i have a laptop and ssh ;) |
| 11:54.56 | kd8ikt | oh wow i think suspend works |
| 11:55.08 | kd8ikt | i woke it up with the power button |
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| 11:56.26 | almien | just wondering if keyboards suck too much power out of it if they connect by USB |
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| 12:18.54 | kd8ikt | ew found a nother good nugget |
| 12:19.01 | kd8ikt | /usr/share/pixmaps |
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| 12:19.55 | jtickle | if anyone here is up... do I have to do anything special to get GPS Sight to work? |
| 12:20.19 | jtickle | I just downloaded and installed, and if I go stand outside for a few minutes, nothing happens :-/ |
| 12:21.24 | Dave | goedmorgen iedereen :] |
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| 12:23.10 | kd8ikt | gpsd running? |
| 12:23.36 | kd8ikt | http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#GPS.2C_GPRS_and_WLAN |
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| 12:24.42 | kd8ikt | for the life of me i cant figure out where that sneaky matchbox lock screen wallpaper is |
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| 12:26.45 | OJW | anyone also get "unknown interface usb0" when connecting to FR from ubuntu? |
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| 12:31.03 | kd8ikt | nope works for me |
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| 12:32.16 | OJW | would it be a USB port problem (e.g. PC thinks that USB cable isn't connected) or an OS one (e.g. ubuntu doesn't know about "usb0") |
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| 12:34.39 | OJW | just tried it on an asus eee, and "ifconfig not found" |
| 12:35.10 | jtickle | kd8ikt, once again I saw the notice in the /topic and started reading around |
| 12:35.13 | Linux_Galore | use sudo |
| 12:35.15 | jtickle | gpsd is on now and trying to fix again, thanks |
| 12:35.30 | Linux_Galore | ie sudo ifconfig |
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| 12:35.51 | OJW | ok, the problem was /sbin wasn't in the path... |
| 12:36.29 | Linux_Galore | OJW: yeah the old su -c problem |
| 12:36.46 | Linux_Galore | normal su /sbin isnt i your path |
| 12:36.51 | Linux_Galore | in* |
| 12:37.34 | OJW | cool, I have connection to freerunner from the asus eee, which means I can now use it on holiday! :) |
| 12:37.50 | Linux_Galore | nokia n810 price has dropped |
| 12:38.01 | Linux_Galore | USD$299 now |
| 12:38.46 | CVirus | WOW |
| 12:38.59 | CVirus | no gsm yet though |
| 12:39.01 | CVirus | lame |
| 12:39.27 | Linux_Galore | CVirus: you can tether the n810 to a mobile |
| 12:39.36 | Linux_Galore | get gsm |
| 12:39.39 | CVirus | i don't wanna do that |
| 12:40.07 | Linux_Galore | wonder if the usb control program allows a gsm dongle ? |
| 12:40.44 | Linux_Galore | the n810 has a usb control app that allows you to host usb devices ie keyboards thumb drives etc |
| 12:41.02 | Linux_Galore | via the usb port |
| 12:42.39 | Linux_Galore | I noticed the centrino 2 lappies are out here in Syney saw one in a shop (asus) |
| 12:42.39 | Linux_Galore | today |
| 12:43.00 | Linux_Galore | might retire my p4 lappie |
| 12:43.45 | TAsn | mine is p3 ;0 |
| 12:44.07 | TAsn | and is still up and running. i guess retirement age is different in my area ;) |
| 12:45.33 | OJW | so freerunner battery life - I'm sure this has been discussed loads before, but I can't help noticing that it leaves the screen on an awful lot, getting warm in your pocket etc. -- to turn the screen off you have to just wait for the screensaver to kick in, go to lock mode and eventually turn the screen off. Then it turns on again any time something touches the screen... |
| 12:46.29 | TeNoVi | OJW: Try apm -s if you want to enter suspend. That works for me |
| 12:46.33 | OJW | Would it be worth just making the aux key a dedicated on/off for the lock mode, so you press it and the screen powers-down. press it again to use the phone? That would save loads of battery life, and be less prone to accidentally turning on the screen while in a pocket |
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| 12:48.40 | OJW | TeNoVi: is there a GUI element for that? I'm not sure entering a terminal and typing apm -s every time you want to put the phone down is good idea |
| 12:49.16 | TeNoVi | OJW: You could make an menu entry. (In the applications menu) |
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| 12:50.07 | OJW | TeNoVi: ok. I'll just find sample menu entries if I look around on the device's filesystem? or is there a wiki page describing them? |
| 12:51.11 | TeNoVi | OJW: I had a wiki site with some stuff... I'll look around a little bit... |
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| 12:51.19 | OJW | k, cheers |
| 12:52.57 | Dave | OJW to create a new menu entry simply create a .desktop under /usr/share/applications :) |
| 12:53.04 | Dave | If that's what you were looking for. |
| 12:53.15 | Dave | You can use any one of the other ones there as an example :) |
| 12:53.46 | erwin_ | There is a bad behavior with the scrolling application list on 2007.2 it's hard to clic because openmoko think i want to scroll 1 pixel :/ Anyone have a trick ? |
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| 12:59.02 | TeNoVi | OJW: I'm not shure if this is the best way to do it, but I've done this: I made a file called "sleep" in /home/root, and putted in: "#!/bin/sh |
| 12:59.02 | TeNoVi | apm -s" After that I made a menu icon with a file called "sleep.desktop" in /usr/share/applications and there I put: [Desktop Entry] |
| 12:59.02 | TeNoVi | Encoding=UTF-8 |
| 12:59.02 | TeNoVi | Name=Sleep |
| 12:59.04 | TeNoVi | Exec=/home/root/sleep |
| 12:59.06 | TeNoVi | Terminal=false |
| 12:59.08 | TeNoVi | Type=Application |
| 12:59.10 | TeNoVi | Categories=GTK;Utility |
| 12:59.12 | TeNoVi | StartupNotify=false |
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| 13:01.48 | toggles | anyone use mokomake? have anyideas why there are no gta02 images/rootfs? |
| 13:02.13 | Sup3rkiddo | toggles, you have to change the machine |
| 13:02.29 | Sup3rkiddo | toggles, make setup-machine-freerunner or something |
| 13:02.48 | TeNoVi | OJW: And by the way.,.. You need to make the sleep file in /home/root executable. (chmod +x sleep) |
| 13:03.25 | toggles | Sup3rkiddo: thanks mate! can i just do a make openmoko-devel-image to update? |
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| 13:03.53 | Sup3rkiddo | toggles, yeah i think so, bitbake should do that for you automatically (i think) |
| 13:04.13 | toggles | ahh there it is .PHONY: setup-machine-gta02 setup-machine-freerunner shold have read the makefile |
| 13:04.21 | toggles | Sup3rkiddo: thanks again champ! |
| 13:04.29 | Sup3rkiddo | toggles, you may need to change the --device argument to dfu-util, dunno if its fixed in the newer ones |
| 13:04.38 | toggles | fyi the gta01 image seems to be booting ok ;-) |
| 13:04.40 | Sup3rkiddo | read that as chimp for a sec :D |
| 13:04.49 | toggles | lol |
| 13:05.23 | toggles | Sup3rkiddo: so do you know the plan? if i was to start writing apps, should i concentrate on gtk? asu? fso? ?? |
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| 13:06.18 | Sup3rkiddo | toggles, i dunno.....am a noob myself.. you should take a look at mickeyl's blog entry for that |
| 13:06.27 | toggles | k, link? |
| 13:06.52 | Sup3rkiddo | http://www.vanille-media.de/ |
| 13:07.21 | Sup3rkiddo | http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ to be exact |
| 13:07.36 | toggles | Sup3rkiddo: rock on bloke! thanks for you help! |
| 13:07.55 | Sup3rkiddo | aw shucks...*sniff* |
| 13:08.23 | Sup3rkiddo | happy hacking |
| 13:08.29 | OJW | ok, double-check a command before I accidentally replace my PC's OS with an openmoko one ;) On the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner, the "sudo ./dfu-util ..." is run *on your PC"? How does that command know that it's copying over some USB network? |
| 13:09.42 | Sup3rkiddo | OJW, yes it is run on the PC....guess it looks for usb runtimes....see the source :D |
| 13:10.10 | OJW | just worried that it has "Before you execute the following command, please log into U-Boot in the NOR Flash." which is a broken link :( |
| 13:10.19 | toggles | OJW: it's coded to use the usb, |
| 13:10.35 | Sup3rkiddo | OJW, ah, thats easy...hold your aux button and press the power button |
| 13:10.43 | toggles | ojw: turn unit off, hold alt, turn unit on keep holding power |
| 13:10.51 | Sup3rkiddo | and then use dfu-util to flash |
| 13:10.56 | OJW | Sup3rkiddo/toggles: yep, got that menu ok. |
| 13:11.05 | toggles | thats it, run dfu |
| 13:11.08 | kd8ikt | do i need gllin? |
| 13:11.09 | OJW | so running the command now I get "no DFU capable USB device found" |
| 13:11.20 | kd8ikt | tangogps is freezing on me |
| 13:11.27 | Sup3rkiddo | OJW, hmm, try --list |
| 13:11.39 | OJW | oh nevermind - the OM powered-off after a while in the boot menu |
| 13:11.46 | toggles | ojw: i got that every time i forgot to plug my device in usb |
| 13:11.50 | Sup3rkiddo | hehe |
| 13:11.53 | toggles | ;-) |
| 13:11.56 | Sup3rkiddo | ~trout OJW |
| 13:11.57 | apt | ACTION slaps OJW around a bit with a large trout! |
| 13:12.59 | OJW | right, so it's done something flashy-like. rebooting and see what happens |
| 13:16.34 | toggles | crap |
| 13:16.35 | stephelton | is there any support/planned support for per-contact ringtones? |
| 13:16.45 | toggles | guess i'm going to concentrate on gtk+ |
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| 13:22.36 | alx_ | hi all |
| 13:23.14 | alx_ | may someone help me in flashing the Moko ? |
| 13:23.20 | swc|666 | echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode ...took me an hour to fint that :/ |
| 13:23.22 | alx_ | I'm stuck in the wiki |
| 13:23.27 | alx_ | MokoMakefile :) |
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| 13:23.40 | swc|666 | f/fint/find |
| 13:23.41 | alx_ | I did a whole make openmoko-devel-image for gta02 |
| 13:24.02 | alx_ | and make openmoko-devel-tools |
| 13:24.15 | alx_ | which should build statically linked dfu-util and openocd |
| 13:24.34 | alx_ | now, as far as I get, I've to use dfu-util on the image I've done |
| 13:25.05 | alx_ | but cannot find where the make openmoko-devel-tools put dfu-util :'( |
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| 13:30.09 | rwhitby | alx_: tmp/cross/i686-*/bin (or something like that) |
| 13:30.25 | alx_ | I've found a make flash-fr-local |
| 13:30.30 | rwhitby | or just do a "find . -name dfu-util -print" |
| 13:30.43 | alx_ | rwhitby, nothing found |
| 13:31.09 | alx_ | but it complains about |
| 13:31.18 | alx_ | ./tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/bin/dfu-util: command not found |
| 13:31.26 | yyoZ | Hi all, is there any way of localising the Freerunner? Could I set it up to have a french UI? |
| 13:31.49 | alx_ | yyoZ you need locales build |
| 13:31.51 | alx_ | built* |
| 13:33.26 | alx_ | rwhitby, no binary dfu-util found even if make openmoko-devel-tools done |
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| 13:33.58 | rwhitby | alx_: run bitbake manually (see the wiki page on how to do that) and bitbake dfu-util-native |
| 13:34.17 | yyoZ | alx_: ok, but which one? I've listed the fr-locale, and tried to install a few, but nothing's changed... |
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| 13:35.38 | alx_ | yyoZ, you've to set LANG and LANGUAGE variables in enviroment |
| 13:35.53 | alx_ | rwhitby, may I paste what it gives me on que ? |
| 13:36.09 | alx_ | basically it tolds me |
| 13:36.17 | alx_ | completed |
| 13:36.29 | alx_ | but a find . -name dfu-util -print |
| 13:36.31 | alx_ | just after |
| 13:36.35 | alx_ | shows nothing |
| 13:36.39 | alx_ | I've found an ipkg |
| 13:36.43 | alx_ | eheh |
| 13:37.08 | alx_ | should I do ipkg dfu-util-native on host ? |
| 13:37.11 | alx_ | o.O |
| 13:38.50 | rwhitby | alx_: just get dfu-util from http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/dfu-util |
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| 13:39.29 | alx_ | rwhitby, I know how to flash manually, my troubles are using MokoMakefile |
| 13:39.55 | alx_ | ^^ |
| 13:40.15 | rwhitby | alx_: ah, ok. In that case I'll just put in on my list to look at later, cause it's almost midnight here. |
| 13:40.57 | alx_ | ahah |
| 13:41.27 | alx_ | rwhitby, well, what if I find how-to before you get up :) what's the right ML for MokoMakefile ? |
| 13:41.47 | alx_ | I mean, I'm quite sure it's my fault |
| 13:42.18 | alx_ | as I see in the makefile target for preparing image, compiling tools to use the image, and targets to flash |
| 13:42.23 | rwhitby | alx_: there's a project at projects.openmoko.org - just put a bug in there. or email to devel. |
| 13:42.42 | alx_ | and reading they seems ok :) |
| 13:42.45 | alx_ | rwhitby, ok thanks ^^ |
| 13:43.06 | rwhitby | alx_: there could have been some change in the bitbake infrastructure which has broken it. that happens now and again. |
| 13:43.18 | rwhitby | (e.g. packaged staging comes to mind as a possible culprit) |
| 13:44.07 | alx_ | rwhitby, well, ok. just a side note, which I don't know if it has beed asked before |
| 13:44.17 | alx_ | why all stuff goes in a tmp directory ? |
| 13:44.47 | rwhitby | cause that's where bitbake puts it. mokomakefile is just a wrapper around the alread well established OE bitbake environment. |
| 13:45.00 | rwhitby | I didn't make the conventions, I just made it easy to follow them. |
| 13:45.31 | alx_ | ahahah ok |
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| 13:48.40 | dlowe | that's odd... my FR doesn't have modules for wifi |
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| 13:50.40 | RXShorty | hello all |
| 13:50.45 | RXShorty | my battery isn't charging anymore |
| 13:50.47 | RXShorty | suggestions? |
| 13:53.16 | TAsn | plug it to the wall? ;0 |
| 13:53.41 | RXShorty | heh |
| 13:53.43 | TAsn | the usb cable has to be connected on both sides... ;) |
| 13:53.52 | RXShorty | well tried that about 10000 times |
| 13:54.00 | RXShorty | after a flash went wrong |
| 13:54.04 | RXShorty | I wanted to flash it back |
| 13:54.09 | TAsn | ouch, i c. |
| 13:54.19 | RXShorty | but this can't be done without a fully charged battery |
| 13:54.49 | RXShorty | if I connect it thought the USB cable... it goes out after 10 secs |
| 13:54.58 | TAsn | iirc battery charging is related to the os, i.e if it's off you can't charge it, which may imply that you need a good image installed. |
| 13:55.13 | TAsn | RXShorty, no clue, if you got a nokia you can charge it using that. |
| 13:55.32 | TAsn | that's not an official response, just a hack i thought about just now :) |
| 13:55.33 | RXShorty | with the power adapter on it, it stays on... but even after 6 hours nothing happend... |
| 13:55.36 | RXShorty | nokia? |
| 13:55.40 | RXShorty | ahh... hmm ok.. |
| 13:55.47 | RXShorty | it is a nokia battery? sweet... |
| 13:55.49 | RXShorty | going to try that |
| 13:55.56 | RXShorty | Thanks TAsn |
| 13:56.09 | CM | RXShorty: Have you tried taking the battery out? |
| 13:56.15 | RXShorty | yeah |
| 13:56.17 | CM | From the phone completely, for at least 1 minute |
| 13:56.23 | TAsn | RXShorty, iirc it's the same battery that nokia uses. |
| 13:56.25 | CM | So that the gsm chipset powers off |
| 13:56.38 | RXShorty | Yeah CM tried that some time allready yes |
| 13:56.49 | CM | Ok, was a common problem with the gta01 |
| 13:57.00 | RXShorty | I know. |
| 13:57.14 | RXShorty | But if a Nokia can charge it |
| 13:57.15 | TAsn | RXShorty, you can cast a recharge spell. though for that to happen you need to wait for diablo 3 to be out. |
| 13:57.17 | RXShorty | going to try that |
| 13:57.26 | RXShorty | TAsn LOL :) |
| 13:57.29 | stephelton | =P |
| 13:58.01 | RXShorty | Thanks guys... |
| 13:58.10 | RXShorty | Going to retry it some more times.! THANKS! |
| 13:58.32 | RXShorty | All have a nice day. Greetings |
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| 14:08.35 | dlowe | has anyone gotten this when trying to connect to a wireless network? ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported |
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| 14:15.20 | swc|666 | does dmesg tell you anything else? |
| 14:15.33 | stephelton | dlowe: see at the bottom of the gta02 wlan page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN |
| 14:16.42 | tomjoad440 | I am attempting to set up Booting from SD on my FR and cannot find a way to create the vfat partion for the kernel partition, is there an alternative I can use to vfat or can someone point me to an package that would provide mkfs.vfat? |
| 14:17.07 | tomjoad440 | and I don't have a card reader to allow me to do it on a system other than the FR |
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| 14:22.06 | dTx | hi everyone |
| 14:22.45 | dTx | anybody know how you can tell when openmoko is using gprs? |
| 14:23.29 | dTx | ~gprs |
| 14:23.30 | apt | i guess gprs is an abbreviation that stands for "General Packet Radio Service" which is now the ever-so-popular method for accessing the Information Super Highway through a telecommunication device, preferrably a/an EGSM/GSM transceiver which is capable of this service. There is some information on how to get this service working on your iPAQ whilst establishing a connection between your Pocket PC and this EGSM/GSM transceiver, it is located at ... |
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| 14:26.38 | dTx | Also, the Contacts list on my FR does not show even half of my contacts on my SIM (I have a lot) what's up? |
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| 14:27.05 | dlowe | swc|666: there's no mention of the error in dmesg |
| 14:27.43 | dlowe | stephelton: I'm a little hesitant to bring down usb0 |
| 14:28.36 | mw| | dTx: I understand that you have tested the SIM card in anther phone to confirm that they actually are stored on the SIM? |
| 14:28.59 | dlowe | stephelton: same problem, in any case |
| 14:29.10 | dlowe | stephelton: this is with WPA |
| 14:29.51 | dTx | yeah I always store my contacts on my SIM |
| 14:29.56 | dTx | never on the phone itself |
| 14:30.21 | dTx | I just recently changed to another hand-me-down phone before the FR |
| 14:30.24 | dTx | so I know its all on there |
| 14:30.44 | dTx | mw|: is that a pipe in your name? |
| 14:30.48 | mw| | (many phones will store things internally instead of SIM if you have to long names, or use special non-ascii symbols... or have multiple numbers on the same name) |
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| 14:31.07 | mw| | dTx: yeah |
| 14:31.25 | dTx | mw|: right but these are all verified stored on the SIM as they survived a previous transfer to another phone |
| 14:31.41 | mw| | dTx: then FR has a bug yes |
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| 14:33.40 | dTx | FR or OpenMoko? |
| 14:33.47 | dTx | I'm hoping OpenMoko |
| 14:33.54 | dTx | Software is much easier than hardware ;-) |
| 14:34.22 | stephelton | dlowe: ah. yeah that's worked for wep. bringing it down and immediately back up won't kill your ssh, just make sure your command also brings it up bofore you hit enter :) |
| 14:34.28 | dTx | btw, how do you Ctrl+C out of a terminal command? |
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| 14:38.22 | dTx | have you guys seen that prototype moko keyboard written in python that had the standard 12 key keypad but you used two keypresses to give you a combination of 144 keys? |
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| 14:38.42 | mmontour | tomjoad440: if you update your u-boot to one built from the current OM git tree, you should be able to SD-boot without needing a vfat partition. However this fix does not appear to have made it into the buildhost images yet. |
| 14:39.14 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r7284c178a66c 10/mickeydbus/ (TODO mdbus): mdbus: -e escapes string parameters '.n' -> \n, '.r' -> \r |
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| 14:40.06 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 14:41.27 | OJW | WLAN - if dhcpdiscover isn't working, how do you set its IP address? |
| 14:41.52 | dTx | OJW: it works on mine |
| 14:42.12 | dTx | OJW: but you need to edit your /etc/network/interfaces file to set it all up |
| 14:43.01 | OJW | my router seems a bit weird - if I set it to WEP mode then DHCP works fine, but if I set it to open then anything that tries to connect to it gets "no leases available" |
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| 14:43.54 | tomjoad440 | mmontour: thank you. |
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| 14:45.20 | tomjoad440 | mmontour: are the daily images on buildhost not built from the OM git tree? |
| 14:45.59 | tomjoad440 | mmontour: because you are saying that i need to build u-boot myself, correct? |
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| 14:47.02 | mmontour | balrog-kun: kd8ikt: "nand erase rootfs" should not be necessary any more (since around last September). You should file or re-open an issue in Trac if you're seeing that problem with a recent u-boot |
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| 14:48.04 | mmontour | tomjoad440: it looks like the bitbake recipe in OE is still using the old method (denx.de upstream tree + patches from svn) |
| 14:48.42 | tomjoad440 | mmontour: I see, thank you |
| 14:50.20 | yyoZ | is there anyone who knows how to delete permanently a contact from the SIM card? |
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| 14:55.11 | erwin | is there someone which use the wifi with success ? |
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| 15:07.26 | Openfree | erwin, wifi is working |
| 15:08.57 | dTx | erwin: I do |
| 15:09.03 | erwin | yes i saw that i have a wpa problem as my open network works (slowly) |
| 15:09.05 | dTx | The browser don't work real well though |
| 15:09.24 | dTx | doesn't* |
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| 15:09.48 | erwin | yes openmoko browser is slow and with minimo i can't erase letters ! |
| 15:10.00 | dTx | I can't even click next page on Google |
| 15:10.01 | dTx | :-P |
| 15:10.29 | erwin | can you write something in a input text ? |
| 15:10.35 | dTx | yeah |
| 15:10.39 | dTx | In Minimo |
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| 15:10.45 | dTx | Not Openmoko Browser |
| 15:10.45 | erwin | i don't know howw to do that (ah minimo) |
| 15:11.03 | dTx | I think the OpenMoko browser is using KHTML |
| 15:11.06 | erwin | lol it's unusable |
| 15:11.19 | dTx | so its probably a Qt edit box or something |
| 15:11.24 | erwin | can you erase letters with minimo ? |
| 15:11.30 | dTx | not from the address |
| 15:11.32 | dTx | hahaha |
| 15:11.56 | dTx | can you not in a text box either? |
| 15:12.08 | erwin | haha i thought not bying gta01 but gta02 will deliver me a bit unsability but it doesn't |
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| 15:12.29 | erwin | i don't test in a text box probably i can like you |
| 15:12.34 | SpeedEvil | points at teh topic. |
| 15:12.37 | erwin | *didn't test |
| 15:12.53 | erwin | do you have 2007.2 ? |
| 15:12.59 | dTx | points at bank account :'(. |
| 15:13.02 | dTx | :-P |
| 15:13.07 | stephelton | my opkg keeps complaining of missing .sig files, how can i fix this? |
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| 15:13.36 | dTx | stephelton: just ignore the messages it still downloaded the new packages |
| 15:13.52 | erwin | stephelton: same for me its just you have no security... haha like all in root in openmoko |
| 15:14.19 | stephelton | are they not available or is the url differenT? |
| 15:14.31 | erwin | i don't know |
| 15:15.30 | dTx | It looks like they just didn't generate the .sig files |
| 15:15.38 | dTx | It just doesn't verify the dload |
| 15:15.43 | dTx | not that big a deal really |
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| 15:16.07 | stephelton | yeah i get that, it's obnoxious though |
| 15:16.08 | erwin | sig files are for hash or security ? |
| 15:16.51 | dTx | I believe its just a hash |
| 15:16.55 | dTx | Signed hash |
| 15:17.00 | dTx | So a little of both |
| 15:17.06 | erwin | :P |
| 15:17.17 | dTx | Just making sure your files are actually from them and arrive intact |
| 15:18.01 | erwin | it's a big deal for my opinion... |
| 15:18.25 | erwin | is your minimo very slow to load ? |
| 15:18.37 | dTx | Well, its just verification that it is from that site |
| 15:18.49 | dTx | Unless your network is very unsecure I wouldn't really worry too much about it |
| 15:19.02 | dTx | Minimo is slow to load |
| 15:19.06 | dTx | Its a big program |
| 15:19.12 | dTx | relatively speaking |
| 15:21.04 | erwin | ok |
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| 15:22.04 | mmu_man | damn, out of stock already ? :) |
| 15:22.12 | mmu_man | how will I port Haiku then |
| 15:22.34 | erwin | like iphones it's to make people mad |
| 15:23.10 | mmu_man | yeah homeopathic dosage + huge queues in front of stores !) |
| 15:23.58 | mmu_man | been wondering, how is the radio part handled ? FPGA or something ? |
| 15:24.08 | mmu_man | possibly it could be reprogrammed as an FM tunner :) |
| 15:24.19 | mmu_man | or DVB-T/H |
| 15:24.43 | Blastur | freerunner has radio? |
| 15:24.50 | Sp33d3v1l3r | No. |
| 15:24.56 | Sp33d3v1l3r | ->blastur |
| 15:25.02 | Blastur | the baseband is probably asic, and very static :) |
| 15:25.03 | Sp33d3v1l3r | mmu_man: It can't. |
| 15:25.24 | Sp33d3v1l3r | mmu_man: absolutely no way at all. FPGA is a _EXTREMELY_ power expensive way of dealing with radios. |
| 15:25.41 | mmu_man | just wondering |
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| 15:25.45 | Blastur | does the freerunner contain a fpga? |
| 15:25.52 | mmu_man | yeah it's probably not easy to optimize it |
| 15:25.55 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 15:25.57 | SpeedEvil | No FPGA. |
| 15:26.03 | Blastur | right |
| 15:26.04 | SpeedEvil | mmu_man: it's not a case of optimising really. |
| 15:26.22 | SpeedEvil | mmu_man: it's a case of that a dedicated circuit can be a hundredth of the power. |
| 15:26.33 | mmu_man | well most FPGAs use static ram, which shouldn't draw much |
| 15:26.54 | SpeedEvil | mmu_man: As a little bit of crystal can do a billion floating point operations at 24 bits, using a microwatt or so of power. |
| 15:27.13 | mmu_man | yeah I know |
| 15:27.15 | SpeedEvil | Whereas a FPGA might need 10W. |
| 15:27.29 | mmu_man | aw, never checked requirements for those |
| 15:27.34 | Blastur | a crystal can do floating point ops? :) |
| 15:27.47 | mmu_man | Blastur yeah, using quantum math :) |
| 15:27.49 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: yes - effectively. It's a little analog computer. |
| 15:28.03 | SpeedEvil | In a very real sense. |
| 15:28.09 | Blastur | really? |
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| 15:28.21 | Blastur | how do you input and output data from a crystal? |
| 15:28.34 | Blastur | light? |
| 15:28.43 | mmu_man | well signal theory can either map to binary code or op amps (integrators, ...) |
| 15:29.02 | SpeedEvil | Very limited, and fixed program, but it can do operations that are very CPU intensive on a FPGA - filter out a small band of frequencies and present them on the output - nearly free. |
| 15:29.19 | mmu_man | how do you think FM radios worked before we had CPUs ? :) |
| 15:29.55 | SpeedEvil | As technology goes on, the bandwidth over which software radios make sense expand more or less with moores law. |
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| 15:30.14 | Blastur | well, i know most radio controllers for RC models have a crystal, but that only seems to determine which frequency it operates at.. maybe it is not related? |
| 15:30.26 | mmu_man | Blastur he meant silicium there |
| 15:30.33 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: very related - there is a lot of analog processing involved there. |
| 15:30.57 | Blastur | hmm |
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| 15:31.29 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: the crystal sets the frequency, it's then mixed with the input sighal, goes through several analog processing stages, then is converted to digital only when the remaining signal has a bandwidth of perhaps a couple of Khz. |
| 15:31.35 | Blastur | i wish i knew more about this stuff, im only into software :) |
| 15:32.20 | Blastur | i really wanted to build a small autonomous airship, but everytime i start planning, the mechanical or analog engineering parts stop me |
| 15:32.29 | SpeedEvil | Airships are boring. |
| 15:32.35 | mmu_man | anyway, even fixed hw can be hacked, Fabrice Bellard turned a VGA card into a DVB modulator :) |
| 15:32.35 | Blastur | they are very cool! |
| 15:32.46 | SpeedEvil | If they go wrong, tehy can't smack into the ground at 150 MPH. |
| 15:32.49 | SpeedEvil | mmu_man: no it can;t. |
| 15:33.05 | Blastur | my first project would be an airship that flies in a controlled environment |
| 15:33.05 | SpeedEvil | mmu_man: that was using a VGA card exactly to its normal specifications. |
| 15:33.15 | mmu_man | yes but not its destination |
| 15:33.17 | Blastur | what aircraft can smack into the ground at 150 MPH? :) |
| 15:33.47 | SpeedEvil | mmu_man: the 'picture' was simply a very wierd precalculated one that happened to when you connected it to an antenna, it was a valid DVB-T signal. |
| 15:34.00 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: I'm designing a UAV. |
| 15:34.14 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: it's 1Kg. And most of a horsepower of thrust. |
| 15:34.37 | Blastur | UAV would be the ultimate step, but since i have zero experience with this stuff, i thought i'd start small :) |
| 15:34.53 | Blastur | what kind of UAV is it? |
| 15:35.00 | SpeedEvil | Initial tests will be on a trampoline. |
| 15:35.08 | SpeedEvil | Vectored thrust helicopter. |
| 15:35.16 | Blastur | can it withstand 150 MPH impact? |
| 15:35.20 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/test.png is a shot from below (of a bad render) |
| 15:35.21 | SpeedEvil | Well - no. |
| 15:35.35 | Blastur | that is WAY cool. |
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| 15:35.46 | Blastur | whats your budget for this project? |
| 15:35.54 | Blastur | if i may ask |
| 15:35.58 | SpeedEvil | $1000 or so. |
| 15:36.08 | Blastur | really? wow.. thats amazing |
| 15:36.16 | SpeedEvil | I intend to sell copies for maybe $2000 as a product. |
| 15:36.27 | Blastur | i was thinking twice that number for my small prototype airship |
| 15:36.39 | SpeedEvil | Ascend to 1Km or so automatically, take 100MP panorama, descend automatically to landing pad. |
| 15:36.54 | Blastur | so are you still in designphase, or do you have something physical done yet? |
| 15:37.02 | SpeedEvil | design, little physical. |
| 15:37.16 | Blastur | and how well will that aircraft handle wind? seems quite unstable from side force |
| 15:37.30 | SpeedEvil | Very rapid control inputs. |
| 15:37.36 | SpeedEvil | It's completely fly-by-wire. |
| 15:37.48 | dTx | I'm really surprised in the Getting Started it tells you how to setup your Wifi/GPRS/etc. without first telling you to set a root password :-P |
| 15:38.01 | SpeedEvil | dTx: the more people use openmoko the better. |
| 15:38.14 | mmu_man | dTx nice one :) |
| 15:38.23 | mmu_man | lol |
| 15:38.41 | Blastur | hehe, thats cool.. how do you control it? GSM? |
| 15:39.12 | Blastur | and what kind of platform do you use for logics? |
| 15:39.23 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: it doesn't actually have any user-control in the normal case. But for prototyping, 802.11a and bluetooth and 433MHz radios. |
| 15:39.24 | Blastur | i was thinking of using a La Fonera in mine, or the beagle board |
| 15:39.54 | Blastur | i guess the range is amazing on 802.11a since you have no obstacles :) |
| 15:40.27 | SpeedEvil | Not really - it needs a 1.2m dish at the bottom to get the range required. |
| 15:41.39 | Blastur | oh.. wont that interfere with airflow from the blades .. i dont see how you would fit that, looking at your test.png |
| 15:41.54 | SpeedEvil | Err - no. That's on the ground. |
| 15:42.09 | Blastur | right |
| 15:42.10 | Blastur | :) |
| 15:42.41 | SpeedEvil | The device is some 30cm across, to give scale. |
| 15:42.58 | Blastur | what do you use for the hull? styrofoam? |
| 15:43.07 | SpeedEvil | Assorted stuff. |
| 15:43.26 | Blastur | i think mine will be styrofoam |
| 15:43.34 | Blastur | but then again, it will only ever run indoors |
| 15:44.37 | Blastur | i still dont really see how you can get stability? even with rapid control inputs.. does it even have a rudder? :) |
| 15:45.00 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: the propellor is up at the top, tehre are thrust-vector vanes - the cross - below them. |
| 15:45.28 | Blastur | oh |
| 15:45.55 | Blastur | don't you have any real pictures of it? |
| 15:46.01 | malik1972 | lpotter: ping |
| 15:46.09 | SpeedEvil | No, as it's a box of parts at the moment. |
| 15:48.08 | Blastur | what engine do you use? and where did you get the rotor blades? |
| 15:48.28 | SpeedEvil | Brushless outrunner, ebay |
| 15:48.48 | mmu_man | Haiku would look nice on a FreeRunner I think... |
| 15:48.49 | mmu_man | http://embedded.hug-nordic.org/ :) |
| 15:50.44 | jOERG_rw | mmontour: your add on "known hw issues" about backup bat is *completely unconfirmed* and most probably absolutely wrong |
| 15:51.07 | jOERG_rw | mmontour: we are booting in fab off a flat backup bat on *all* devices |
| 15:51.28 | jOERG_rw | mmontour: please consider reverting this entry! |
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| 15:54.08 | jOERG_rw | also note: backup-bat should charge as long as there's a good main bat inserted. no need to recharge it by tricky workaround |
| 15:54.37 | Blastur | hmm |
| 15:54.50 | jOERG_rw | (AFAIK, didn't check back with pcf50633 scpec actually) |
| 15:54.50 | Blastur | how do you prevent the entire thing to spin SpeedEvil? :) |
| 15:55.11 | mmontour | jOERG_rw: OK, I will revert it until more info is available. The page does have a disclaimer at the top that information on that page is unofficial/speculative unless stated otherwise, and I did not say anything about tricky workarounds to recharge it. |
| 15:55.47 | jOERG_rw | not you, but it's in the tthread you rreferred to. ah nevermind |
| 15:56.19 | jOERG_rw | anyway to me this seems to be a no-issue |
| 15:56.52 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: differential use of the vector vanes. |
| 15:57.14 | jOERG_rw | we don't know what this guy did to his devices. the assumtion it's embty backup is mere guess of somebody not knowing the schematics |
| 15:57.32 | SpeedEvil | And measurements of backup battery voltages. |
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| 16:08.40 | erwin | qwerty keyboard changed my life with 2007.2 ! :D mplayer work much better than openmoko video player, ogg work now and videos too |
| 16:12.36 | Infinyt1 | Hmm |
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| 16:13.08 | Infinyt1 | How do I know that my GPS is working? I've had like 1200 fails in the last 20 mins. No fixes. :< |
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| 16:15.05 | Gnutoo | erwin, ogg works!!! wow...i read in a bugreport that it was too slow...by the way does ogg use integer(not floating point) (i read about ogg problems in http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1614) |
| 16:15.18 | stephelton | Infinyt1: i went for several walks and couldn't get it working for hours. finally i got in my car later that day and by the time i left the parking lot i had a fix... |
| 16:15.57 | Infinyt1 | Ah. So it's probably working, I'm just in a bad place. |
| 16:16.07 | Infinyt1 | Well anyhoo, any way to turn off the infernal tapping noise? |
| 16:16.08 | Infinyt1 | O_o |
| 16:16.16 | stephelton | Infinyt1: likely. have you played with tangogps yet? |
| 16:16.23 | cjb | Infinyt1: you can remove the file in /usr/share/alsa/sounds/ or something :) |
| 16:16.34 | Infinyt1 | Yeah I have a bit. |
| 16:16.47 | stephelton | Infinyt1: you can replace the file or edit /etc/pulse/session |
| 16:17.03 | Infinyt1 | what's the file called? |
| 16:17.14 | stephelton | Infinyt1: the numbers in the bottom right will tell you how many birds you can see and are using (hold on for link) |
| 16:17.30 | Infinyt1 | Ahh |
| 16:17.37 | stephelton | look for the "touchscreen" one. the file is /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/touchscreen_click.wav by default |
| 16:18.00 | Gnutoo | stephelton, ouch...is it because of the firmware of the gps?...because i would need to use it for walking/bicicling too |
| 16:18.30 | stephelton | Gnutoo: once i got a fix it would detect me walking |
| 16:18.37 | edistar | Infinyt1: just kill pulseaudio |
| 16:18.55 | erwin | Gnutoo: openmoko player is incredibly slower than mplayer, ogg already works through ssh but it was unusable to listen music in real life... |
| 16:19.04 | stephelton | Gnutoo: it wouldn't be a good guage of whether you were walking 3.5 mph or 4mph, but if you jogged 2 miles it would probably be pretty close as far as your trip distance goes |
| 16:19.06 | mjr | Infinyt1, you do know about the generic gps/microsd problem and the workarounds? |
| 16:19.47 | Infinyt1 | MM, nope. I thought the latest updates fixed them? |
| 16:19.47 | Gnutoo | erwin, ouch...most of my audio is in ogg(better quality) |
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| 16:20.15 | erwin | Gnutoo: I tested some ogg and it works great like video playing. |
| 16:20.19 | mjr | Infinyt1, so you _do_ know about them or you wouldn't think the updates fixed them |
| 16:20.28 | stephelton | Infinyt1: http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/Release-Notes the second picture has notes regarding the satellites |
| 16:20.38 | erwin | Gnutoo: You have a freerunner ? try my method i just modified th |
| 16:20.43 | Infinyt1 | Well I knew there was a problem. XD |
| 16:20.46 | Gnutoo | erwin, not yet |
| 16:20.51 | erwin | Gnutoo: the http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player |
| 16:21.20 | smooth_penguin | hows the neo freerunner phone in general? |
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| 16:22.20 | erwin | Gnutoo: an advise read the getting started before using your phone... I was very troubled their not so many things that work today ;-) |
| 16:22.38 | MadTBone | do we not have a daily build for today? |
| 16:22.39 | Gnutoo | erwin, i re-read it because it has changed(the getting started) |
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| 16:23.07 | smooth_penguin | I plan to get one, should I get the freerunner, or wait for the next release |
| 16:23.08 | smooth_penguin | ? |
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| 16:23.13 | Gnutoo | erwin, by the way someone should integrate the patched mplayer in openembedded.... |
| 16:23.23 | SpeedEvil | smooth_penguin: the hardware is mostly OK. |
| 16:23.25 | mjr | smooth_penguin, you want it, get it. GTA03 has no schedule. |
| 16:23.28 | SpeedEvil | smooth_penguin: it's software issues. |
| 16:23.28 | Infinyt1 | Woah |
| 16:23.31 | erwin | Gnutoo: some things like : hold 8 seconds the power button is a must-know :/ |
| 16:23.37 | Infinyt1 | mPlayer is so much better. :O |
| 16:23.57 | smooth_penguin | ok |
| 16:23.59 | Gnutoo | but i don't know how to do openembedded packages and i don't have a phone yet(so couldn't test the result) |
| 16:24.07 | Gnutoo | s/phone/freerunner |
| 16:24.19 | erwin | Gnutoo: i'm not sure to understand the relations between openembedded and the phone but opkg have a working mplayer for me |
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| 16:25.44 | Gnutoo | erwin, ok |
| 16:26.12 | MadTBone | When running on battery with power management enabled (dim, then lock), I'm seeing the system wake up every 10 minutes or so.... anyone else get this? |
| 16:26.19 | SpeedEvil | smooth_penguin: at the moment, it's several software stacks, all with major usability issues, and a mostly functional kernel and hardware side. |
| 16:26.21 | Gnutoo | erwin, by the way what does holding the power button 8sec do? (they talk about using it for quiting applications but not for 8sec) |
| 16:26.56 | SpeedEvil | gnu{-: pops up the 'turn off' menu? |
| 16:27.03 | MadTBone | Gnutoo: to turn the phone on |
| 16:27.24 | erwin | Gnutoo: it's to power on the freerunner |
| 16:28.04 | Gnutoo | MadTBone, ah ok...as far as i understood the 2 buttons can power it on but it's not the same flash...the other button is a backup bootloader.... |
| 16:28.42 | Gnutoo | thanks for the power button tip... |
| 16:29.16 | erwin | 8 sec is so long... i don't understand why do that |
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| 16:30.00 | MadTBone | Gnutoo: no. boot operation is clearly outlined here: http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 16:30.10 | MadTBone | Gnutoo: whoa....strike that... |
| 16:30.28 | MadTBone | Gnutoo: it's not there anymore.... info must have moved to a different page |
| 16:30.37 | Gnutoo | MadTBone, ok |
| 16:31.32 | Infinyt1 | Hey, anyone have Minimo? Can you download files to the phone with it? |
| 16:33.25 | Gnutoo | erwin, by the way openembedded is the system used to build the packages and the images...i use it directly but most of the people here use the moko Makefile |
| 16:34.17 | Gnutoo | is updating the oe repositories |
| 16:34.34 | Gnutoo | as updating i mean fetching...not the contrary |
| 16:35.59 | MadTBone | Gnutoo: new page is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner ... basically...hold power by itself to turn unit on.... hold aux then power to get NOR boot menu.... OR hold power then aux to get NAND boot menu |
| 16:36.15 | Gnutoo | MadTBone, ok thanks a lot |
| 16:37.45 | dTx | Are there plans to bring midbrowser to moko? |
| 16:38.31 | MadTBone | hmmm...FR is definitely waking up every 10 minutes like clockwork |
| 16:39.09 | Infinyt1 | Erm.. Is there any way to fix this without restarting? : ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host |
| 16:40.01 | MadTBone | Infinyt1: have you set up USB networking on the host side? |
| 16:40.02 | mjr | MadTBone, probably the gsm reregisteration thing |
| 16:40.13 | cjb | Infinyt1: you didn't do the ifconfig usb0 .. on the host. |
| 16:40.25 | mjr | of which the gsm chip apparently informs us with an interrupt... |
| 16:40.57 | Infinyt1 | Well it works if I turn on the computer when the phone's already on and plugged in |
| 16:41.08 | MadTBone | mjr: ahh.....I wasn't seeing it with the shipped image.... |
| 16:41.23 | MadTBone | mjr: only with the latest daily |
| 16:41.28 | Infinyt1 | But if I restart the phone or unplug it and plug it back in it gives me that message until I restart the computer again. |
| 16:41.47 | MadTBone | Infinyt1: you need to set up usb0 iface |
| 16:41.59 | erwin | Gnutoo: so why you say mplayer is not released under OE in contradiction that it is in opkg package list ? |
| 16:42.14 | HdR | has anyone here built openmoko-mediaplayer2 with the toolchain? i have problems with libexpat (http://nopaste.ch/994cb43c1481369.html) can someone help me? |
| 16:42.20 | Infinyt1 | Ahh, that makes sense. |
| 16:42.40 | Gnutoo | erwin, yes...lol...that's why i'm updating my local oe repository |
| 16:42.44 | MadTBone | Infinyt1: sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 16:42.59 | erwin | Gnutoo: ok no problem :) |
| 16:43.04 | Infinyt1 | Yup, that worked. Thanke. :D |
| 16:43.28 | erwin | Gnutoo: i'm a beginner so i could do a mistake.. |
| 16:43.47 | Gnutoo | erwin, it could also be that they use another repository than org.openembedded.dev |
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| 16:45.24 | erwin | Gnutoo: how could-i know if it is ? Some kind of sources.list in my phone ? |
| 16:45.41 | Gnutoo | erwin, and i was talking about the special patched version of mplayer...the one that use the glamo chip... |
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| 16:46.04 | Gnutoo | erwin, sorry i don't know but do you have a fast computer? |
| 16:46.43 | erwin | Gnutoo: Ahh glamo ?? I'm interrested in that because i think i have xserver glamo but i'm using mplayer with fbdev |
| 16:47.05 | erwin | Gnutoo: i have a thinkpad T60p, one of the first dual cores |
| 16:47.12 | Gnutoo | erwin, because with the mokoMakefile(that use openembedded) you could easely build all the application that are in openembedded.... |
| 16:47.31 | Gnutoo | erwin, personally i have a pentium-m 2ghz with 1.5GB of ram... |
| 16:47.44 | Gnutoo | erwin, i build an image in about a day... |
| 16:47.54 | erwin | Gnutoo: and in OE is there much more applications than in opkg ? |
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| 16:49.00 | Gnutoo | erwin, don't know...how many apps do you have in opkg? |
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| 16:49.48 | sirkha | hi, i am trying to opkg update and it doesn't get past the "Downloading .../Packages.gz" part i tried wgetting the file, and it hangs on "connecting to buildhost.openmoko.org (ip address)" and then times out, however, on another computer on the same network i have no trouble at all downloading the file |
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| 16:50.17 | sirkha | i am connected via wlan |
| 16:50.20 | dTx | sirkha: are you sure you have network access? |
| 16:50.26 | sirkha | i can ping |
| 16:50.33 | dTx | ping what? |
| 16:50.36 | dTx | your other computer? |
| 16:50.45 | sirkha | google, of coourse ;) |
| 16:50.50 | dTx | oh |
| 16:50.59 | dTx | well that's odd |
| 16:51.01 | erwin | Gnutoo: 6618 (opkg list | wc -l) |
| 16:52.00 | sirkha | can't seem to ping buildhost.openmoko.org, though |
| 16:52.19 | stephelton | is there no cron available? |
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| 16:53.21 | Gnutoo | erwin, wow... i have 1672 folders....but a folder can contain more that one package...such as the mozilla folder that contains firefox 1,2,3 minimo and thunderbird |
| 16:53.34 | Gnutoo | erwin, do you have battle for wesnoth inside? |
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| 16:53.49 | erwin | Gnutoo: are you serious ! ? lol |
| 16:54.30 | erwin | Gnutoo: do you have a freerunner firefox version ? I don't understand |
| 16:54.49 | Gnutoo | erwin, yes i'm serious...because battle for wesnoth is in openembedded...there is a special version for GNU/Linux pda and it runs quite well according to https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-bugs/2007-11/msg00361.html |
| 16:55.16 | erwin | Gnutoo: haha no i don't have any firefox nor battle for wesnoth |
| 16:55.17 | Gnutoo | erwin, ah for firefox..you can build it for the openmoko if you want... |
| 16:55.44 | Gnutoo | erwin, but i wonder how slow would it be...it's worth trying... |
| 16:55.46 | erwin | Gnutoo: interresting, so i have to go to mokomakefile in the wiki |
| 16:56.12 | erwin | Gnutoo: yea i think it wil be horibly slow too |
| 16:56.36 | Gnutoo | erwin, but wesnoth is playable...if you can stand the long loading time |
| 16:57.01 | erwin | Gnutoo: wow impressive work, is it hard to port an application to OE ? |
| 16:57.18 | sirkha | ah, it works now (randomly) except that now opkg says it can't find Packages.sig |
| 16:57.29 | dTx | I think its pretty simple if it uses autoconf |
| 16:57.39 | dTx | sirkha: it never can find that |
| 16:57.42 | dTx | its not on there |
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| 16:58.06 | sirkha | okie, dTx, can I ignore that then? |
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| 16:59.43 | Gnutoo | erwin, don't know i never tried...all what i've done with oe was building and customising(i tried to make openpma use oe so i created bb for the kenrel,config for the distro and the device etc...but at the end i had a kernel bug that prevented me from runing the result...the kernel wouldn't execute binaries that are were not compiled with it's patched gcc-2.95 ...and i couldn't change the kernel because unlike openmok |
| 16:59.43 | Gnutoo | o there were proprietary modules...) |
| 17:00.38 | Gnutoo | and of course i could have used it's gcc-2.95(you can have an external toolchain in oe) but it wouldn't compile a lot of things... |
| 17:00.55 | Gnutoo | (it's what i did in fact at the beginning) |
| 17:01.11 | erwin | Gnutoo: sadly |
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| 17:01.48 | Gnutoo | and i also built an openmoko 2007.2 image without problem but the usb network can't work without a power button that doesn't work in qemu...so i'm waiting for my phone now... |
| 17:02.14 | erwin | ok |
| 17:02.30 | erwin | i'm going to try mokomakefile to build mplayer glamo to begin |
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| 17:03.29 | erwin | Gnutoo: i already used qemu before, should i begin to play with OE more easily ? |
| 17:03.32 | erwin | *could |
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| 17:06.41 | Gnutoo | erwin, you can't install opkg in qemu because: 1)there is the default keyboard that does not have all the keys needed for networking 2)the usb link doesn't work because you need to lock the screen...and that needs the power button(enter)...that works under the bootloader but not inside the om2007.2 image, the ASU doesn't work in qemu and finally the FSO doesn't have a console...so the solution is to build an image wit |
| 17:06.42 | Gnutoo | h a full featured keyboard... |
| 17:08.30 | retracile | Has anyone tried a bluetooth or USB keyboard with their FR? |
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| 17:09.54 | Gnutoo | retracile, look at the planet(the blogs) |
| 17:10.51 | Gnutoo | retracile, http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080716 |
| 17:11.04 | matt2 | hi all, i have tried to compile navit (opensource navigation software http://www.navit-project.org/) on my freerunner, but i ended up with that error "checking for C compiler default output file name... |
| 17:11.04 | matt2 | configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 17:11.04 | matt2 | See `config.log' for more details." |
| 17:11.13 | retracile | Gnutoo: had just found it. thanks! |
| 17:11.19 | balrog-kun | Gnutoo: you don't need any keys for networking |
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| 17:17.09 | nicfer | one question, the cost of the freerunner is the 'without chip' one right? |
| 17:17.27 | SpeedEvil | Chip? |
| 17:17.31 | SpeedEvil | Tehre is no SIM |
| 17:18.29 | stephelton | is there no cron available? |
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| 17:19.44 | MadTBone | stephelton: I was wondering about cron as well... |
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| 17:20.43 | stephelton | )= |
| 17:23.18 | nicfer | I mean if the price for the hardware with contract will be lower |
| 17:23.36 | SpeedEvil | you can't buy with contract. |
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| 17:24.00 | nicfer | then how would I use gsm? |
| 17:24.08 | SpeedEvil | You buy a seperate SIM |
| 17:24.28 | retracile | .. or transfer one from your existing phone, if you have a compatible SIM. |
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| 17:25.36 | nicfer | the trouble is if I buy it like a normal phone, it would cost less |
| 17:25.47 | SpeedEvil | you can't buy with contract. |
| 17:25.54 | SpeedEvil | Maybe 2010. |
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| 17:26.23 | almien | you can just go into a mobile phone shop and buy a SIM card on it's own for £10 |
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| 17:26.33 | nicfer | so I wouldn't be able to get it in Argentina... |
| 17:27.01 | nicfer | but you would need more than a SIM card... I need to charge it somehow |
| 17:27.23 | SpeedEvil | It's _NOT_ a phone suitable for the even expert user right now. |
| 17:27.41 | SpeedEvil | It's at the best a work in progress with software that's a sort-of-functioning phone. |
| 17:27.46 | almien | nicfer: you mean if you promise to spend >£400 per year for several years with one phone company, and seal that promise by getting a phone which you can only use with that company, then they'll give a little discount on the phone? doesn't sound like the best way of saving money.. |
| 17:28.34 | almien | charge? you mean electrically? |
| 17:29.08 | almien | or "charge" like putting money on a SIM card account? |
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| 17:30.44 | nicfer | with charge I mean adding credit to the SIM account |
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| 17:30.55 | SpeedEvil | You do that like any phone |
| 17:31.23 | almien | you can just ring a special number from your phone and add money to it with a credit card |
| 17:31.45 | almien | or buy £10 tokens in a supermarket, and dial a special number from your phone to add the money to your account |
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| 17:34.56 | Blastur | hey SpeedEvil, you don't happen to know any good UAV forums and/or 'communities'? |
| 17:35.01 | SpeedEvil | Nope |
| 17:35.11 | SpeedEvil | #papparazi - however you spell it |
| 17:35.12 | carrar | suckage my sim doesn't work in the phone |
| 17:35.16 | SpeedEvil | is a autopilot channel |
| 17:35.16 | almien | zz |
| 17:35.20 | ieatlint | how about scientology-centred forums? |
| 17:35.32 | CM | Blastur: Doesnt Chris Anderson have some page for that? |
| 17:36.04 | almien | diydrones.com is the famous introductory page |
| 17:36.25 | Blastur | you all build UAVs? :) |
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| 17:36.58 | balrog-k1n | definitely |
| 17:37.42 | harzi | Blastur: www.mikrokopter.de |
| 17:39.06 | carrar | So if I hit up the AT&T/Cingular store they should have a SIM card that I get that works right? |
| 17:39.34 | retracile | carrar: there is a wiki page that details the SIMs that are known to work/not-work for ATT. |
| 17:39.39 | carrar | looking at it |
| 17:39.45 | retracile | :) |
| 17:39.55 | carrar | just seeing if others in here have |
| 17:40.03 | carrar | printing it out to take with me |
| 17:42.07 | almien | going to take the phone for a bit of "look what you can't get"? ;) |
| 17:42.51 | carrar | hahah |
| 17:43.08 | carrar | get yourself some bad carma? |
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| 17:51.23 | asyring | Hi. how can I build such a repository like on buildhost.openmoko.org ? |
| 17:51.54 | ieatlint | pray to the cross compiling gods |
| 17:52.24 | CM | asyring: Read about the Moko Makefile in the wiki |
| 17:52.29 | carrar | thats it, no sacrifing virgins? |
| 17:52.30 | CM | That's probably the easiest way |
| 17:52.54 | ieatlint | carrar: there are too many geek virgins, it ceased to be much of a treat |
| 17:53.00 | asyring | I made it with mokomakwfile but there are too many packet no in |
| 17:53.02 | carrar | heh |
| 17:53.34 | asyring | i bui |
| 17:54.31 | asyring | i build the images with make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image |
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| 17:56.07 | asyring | and how could I change the multitap-pad to matchbox-keyoard in my image-file? |
| 17:57.44 | Stroller | asyring: #openmoko-cdevel might help if you don't get replies here |
| 17:58.11 | CM | asyring: What is missing? |
| 17:59.19 | asyring | for example the gtk+ |
| 17:59.59 | CM | You want to build the feed of ipk's? |
| 18:00.13 | CM | Or the toolchain? |
| 18:00.35 | CM | I have not been able to build the feed lately because of the mono package |
| 18:01.07 | asyring | I want to build an image for my freerunner with some more packets as in the standard image |
| 18:01.46 | CM | Ok |
| 18:02.02 | CM | Installing with opkg doesn't work? |
| 18:02.08 | CM | Or you want to make your own image? |
| 18:02.28 | CM | If you want to make your own image you'll have to learn more about openembedded |
| 18:02.30 | asyring | opkg not from my repository |
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| 18:02.52 | CM | Have you built the actual feed? |
| 18:03.05 | asyring | ok then I look on openembedded |
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| 18:03.26 | asyring | I think I need "require conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc" this in my local.conf |
| 18:03.38 | asyring | right? |
| 18:04.35 | CM | To build the latest stuff |
| 18:05.02 | asyring | ok then I understand why opkg upgrade from buildhost takes so long |
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| 18:05.40 | asyring | I'll try it first with the lastest stuff |
| 18:05.52 | CM | ScaredyCat would know more, but for once he's not around |
| 18:06.05 | asyring | and then I look to openembedded |
| 18:06.46 | asyring | ok thanks cu |
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| 18:06.53 | asyring | \quit |
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| 18:10.33 | stephelton | does the fr not support sdl? |
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| 18:12.18 | mjr | om supports sdl, fr does what om tells it |
| 18:12.27 | almien | anyone find that typing 0 doesn't work in terminal? |
| 18:13.06 | nicfer | equally, if you don't like the phone functions, you also have the chance to use wifi right? |
| 18:14.04 | stephelton | mjr: doesn't look like om supports sdl according to the wiki \= |
| 18:14.35 | almien | is there a sample python program somewhere to show how to read accelerometers |
| 18:14.40 | stephelton | although the libraries are in /usr/lib... |
| 18:14.43 | cjb | almien: yes |
| 18:15.15 | cjb | http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2008/07/01/openmoko-freerunner-test-application/ |
| 18:15.39 | almien | thanks - knew I'd seen it somewhere |
| 18:17.52 | mjr | stephelton, I have no idea what you mean by "not supporting" then |
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| 18:22.12 | Zorkman | anyone time for stupid question from a linux-noob? |
| 18:22.21 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 18:22.24 | Stroller | Ask the question, don't ask to ask it |
| 18:22.25 | Zorkman | i downloaded dfu-util in a folder dfu-util; i then downloaded the latest uboot image |
| 18:22.48 | Zorkman | then i try to run ./dfu-util -a uboot -R -D uboot-gra02v5-latest.bin |
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| 18:23.00 | Zorkman | then i get: ./dfu-util: is a directory |
| 18:23.14 | SpeedEvil | cd dfu-util |
| 18:23.18 | Zorkman | done that |
| 18:23.23 | SpeedEvil | or ./dfu-util/dfu-util |
| 18:23.28 | SpeedEvil | ls -l dfu-util |
| 18:23.32 | Zorkman | then i get: bash:dfu-util: command not found |
| 18:23.34 | SpeedEvil | does it show as a directroy? |
| 18:24.07 | Zorkman | yes, when i do the ls -l thing i get two lines |
| 18:24.14 | Zorkman | one for the dfu-util.1 and one for the uboot image |
| 18:24.33 | SpeedEvil | dfu-util.1 is probably the manual page |
| 18:24.57 | SpeedEvil | where did you download this from? |
| 18:25.24 | Zorkman | wget http://downloads.openmoko.org/relases/Freerunner/dfu-utils |
| 18:25.33 | Zorkman | wget http://downloads.openmoko.org/relases/Freerunner/dfu-util i mean |
| 18:27.16 | SpeedEvil | Ok - how large is dfu-util.1? |
| 18:27.28 | Zorkman | wait i sec, i tried again and now i do not have dfu-util.1 but just dfu-util without an extension |
| 18:27.32 | SpeedEvil | Ok - how large is dfu-util |
| 18:27.43 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0e2735f622be 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [openmoko-qtopia-x11] Change the sequence of RDEPENDS in task-openmoko-qtopia-x11 |
| 18:27.44 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re0e580c72c0e 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags. |
| 18:27.49 | SpeedEvil | you will need to do chmod +x ./dfu-util |
| 18:27.54 | Zorkman | great, now i get no DFU capable usb device found |
| 18:27.55 | SpeedEvil | To make it an executable file |
| 18:27.58 | SpeedEvil | Right. |
| 18:28.01 | Zorkman | jup i've done that |
| 18:28.05 | SpeedEvil | Is your FR on, and in u-boot menu? |
| 18:28.06 | Zorkman | now i'll boot in NOR |
| 18:28.33 | Zorkman | it's on now, but it doesn't detect it |
| 18:28.44 | Zorkman | (i'm using vmware to emulate fedora9) |
| 18:28.48 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 18:28.54 | Zorkman | maybe i'll just reboot and start it up without emulation |
| 18:28.55 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if it'll work under vmware |
| 18:29.01 | Zorkman | should have done that in the first place :) |
| 18:29.19 | Zorkman | (yeah, it detected it before, but not now :s.... i'll try in fedora and if it doesn't work i'll stop by again :)) |
| 18:29.24 | Zorkman | thanks for the help so far! |
| 18:29.27 | SpeedEvil | Good luck |
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| 18:35.04 | bedboi | hi there |
| 18:35.54 | bedboi | is there any usable image for neo 1973? |
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| 18:37.10 | bedboi | i mean something with a decent battery life |
| 18:37.10 | bedboi | (more than 3 hours) |
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| 18:41.55 | Gnutoo | by the way,is the freerunner with the sd/gps patch good enough in order to get gps traces in order to contribute to openstreetmap? |
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| 18:47.15 | Stroller | Does the FR not give a readout of estimated accuracy? |
| 18:47.15 | stephelton | when i run ./autogen according to the toolchain how to on the wiki, i get complaints about "configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. |
| 18:47.18 | stephelton | If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'." |
| 18:47.42 | stephelton | Stroller: you talking about gps? |
| 18:48.23 | Stroller | stephelton: Yes, in response to Gnutoo's question |
| 18:48.33 | Zorkman | i'm using fedora9 and trying to flash my freerunner |
| 18:48.46 | Zorkman | i can't get fedora to recognize my freerunner when i enter nor boot |
| 18:48.58 | Zorkman | i tried the ifconfig command, but i do not have ifconfig |
| 18:49.04 | Zorkman | yum install ifconfig does also not work |
| 18:49.13 | stephelton | Stroller: http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/Release-Notes |
| 18:49.16 | retracile | Zorkman: I think you're on the wrong track there... |
| 18:49.28 | Stroller | Garmin GPSs that I've had in the past would first say "acquiring" then "3 satellites - accuracy 80 metres" (or whatever) then "8 satellites acquired - accuracy 3 metres" |
| 18:49.34 | stephelton | the last number in the tangoGPS ui at the bottom right indicates accuracy |
| 18:49.40 | retracile | Zorkman: Boot into NOR, then plugin the USB port, then run dfu-util. |
| 18:49.48 | Zorkman | how come Stroller? the wiki says i need to ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 18:50.30 | retracile | Zorkman: that's for networking with the FR, not for flashing the FR. |
| 18:50.51 | Zorkman | but if i try th tfu-util i get : No DFU capable USB device found |
| 18:51.04 | bobkare | Stroller: Read up on DOP, gps accuracy isn't as simple as saying "it's within xx meters" |
| 18:51.04 | Zorkman | freerunner is connected with via usb and booted into NOR |
| 18:51.09 | smooth_penguin | Zorkman, are you root? |
| 18:51.09 | retracile | Zorkman: Did you take the steps above in that order? |
| 18:51.18 | smooth_penguin | run whoami |
| 18:51.18 | Zorkman | yes i am root |
| 18:51.26 | Zorkman | (i did su and entered password) |
| 18:51.29 | Stroller | bobkare: that's why I said "estimated" in a previous message |
| 18:51.49 | retracile | Zorkman: Try 'su -' instead.... you apparently don't have ifconfig in your $PATH. root's env will. |
| 18:51.57 | Stroller | anyway, stephelton has answered Gnutoo's question with that last link |
| 18:52.12 | Gnutoo | thanks for the answer... |
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| 18:54.37 | kai | hi |
| 18:54.45 | Stroller | hai, kai ! |
| 18:54.46 | kai | jemand bock auf nen funny cod2 |
| 18:54.48 | Gnutoo | stephelton, use something that cope with theses problems such as openembedded... |
| 18:54.58 | Gnutoo | s/cope/can cope |
| 18:55.02 | kai | was? |
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| 18:55.12 | stephelton | Gnutoo: cope with what problems? |
| 18:55.13 | kai | >s/cope/can cope |
| 18:55.25 | Zorkman | retracile if i do it with su - i have ifconfig, but when i try to ping -I usb0 192.168.0.202 i get Warning: cannot bind to specified iface, falling back: No such device |
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| 18:55.37 | kai | redet deutsch |
| 18:56.09 | Zorkman | i just want to flash to latest uboot and kernel and the asu but it still seems not to detect my device |
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| 18:56.19 | Zorkman | (I"m running linux from an usb hd, maybe that can influence it?) |
| 18:56.37 | retracile | Zorkman: usb networking is irrelevant for flashing... |
| 18:56.57 | Zorkman | ok, but i still keep getting No DFU capable USB device found |
| 18:57.01 | retracile | Zorkman: 1) boot FR into NOR, 2) plug FR into USB port 3) run dfu-util. in that order. |
| 18:57.03 | Zorkman | when i try dfu-til |
| 18:57.06 | Gnutoo | stephelton,that problem: "configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs" |
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| 18:57.19 | retracile | Zorkman: unplug the usb cable and try again. |
| 18:57.19 | vpv | Zorkman: do you run dfu-util as root? |
| 18:57.35 | Zorkman | yes |
| 18:57.38 | Zorkman | and i did it in that order |
| 18:57.38 | stephelton | Gnutoo: ah yes, that. what exactly are you suggesting? |
| 18:57.44 | Gnutoo | stephelton, if i understood well it compiles something and trys to run it |
| 18:57.48 | Zorkman | with su and also with su- |
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| 18:58.07 | retracile | Zorkman: and the NOR boot menu is displayed on the FR screen? |
| 18:58.08 | Zorkman | i type: [root@localhost dfu-util]# ./dfu-util -a uboot -R -D uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin |
| 18:58.10 | Zorkman | jup |
| 18:58.15 | stephelton | Gnutoo: no, this is when running autogen. i'm probably missing a configuration or env variable or something to that effect... |
| 18:58.16 | retracile | Zorkman: hrm.... |
| 18:58.16 | Zorkman | it says so on the screen |
| 18:58.17 | Gnutoo | stephelton, openembedded uses qemu in order to cope with that...so simply make a bitbake file |
| 18:58.32 | stephelton | ah |
| 18:58.33 | Gnutoo | stephelton, ah or sorry...so i don't know |
| 18:58.35 | sparrow | Howdy Folks. I am running into an issue with a my new freerunner. When I start the dailer and make a call, it starts the process and then crashes without completeing the call. It also does not take incoming calls. Any ideas where I should start? |
| 18:59.50 | sparrow | I have updated the phone using the "The getting started guide", and the phone does seem to be registered. |
| 19:00.18 | retracile | Zorkman: I'm afraid you've hit the limits of what I currently know. :/ I'm running Fedora8 here, and it works as described. |
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| 19:00.28 | Zorkman | thanks retracile... |
| 19:00.44 | vpv | Zorkman: you could try unplugging the phone, doing "tail -f /var/log/messages" as root on another console window and then plugging the phone back in again (while the phone is in uboot) |
| 19:00.58 | vpv | it works with Fedora 9 here as well |
| 19:01.14 | Zorkman | vpv where do i type that tail message? in the terminal? |
| 19:01.22 | mw| | stephelton: dfu-util doesn't find the usb-device ? |
| 19:01.27 | Zorkman | nope |
| 19:01.49 | Zorkman | (i get errors btw when i run tail -f /var/log/messages) |
| 19:01.53 | mw| | unplug the phone during reboot, is my big tip |
| 19:01.53 | vpv | Zorkman: yes, you may want to have two terminal windows open, so you can try dfu-util on the other |
| 19:02.11 | Zorkman | i already have two of them open i'll close and try again from scratch |
| 19:02.21 | Zorkman | both root? |
| 19:02.34 | retracile | 'opkg update' is failing with 'Signature check failed' messages, and * Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/Packages.sig, error 404. Did I miss something? (I can ping that host) |
| 19:02.34 | vpv | Zorkman: it should just show you the latest logs. yeah, both root is probably good. |
| 19:02.41 | Zorkman | with su or with su-? |
| 19:02.48 | mw| | retracile: ignore the 404 errors on signatures |
| 19:02.48 | Zorkman | (sorry i am really, really new to linux) |
| 19:02.49 | Stroller | retracile: that's fine |
| 19:03.02 | vpv | Zorkman: su -, so you'll have root's path set |
| 19:03.05 | ancient123 | so are the gps/sd patches in stable now? |
| 19:03.06 | Stroller | retracile: just run 'opkg upgrade' |
| 19:03.20 | retracile | o_O |
| 19:03.48 | Zorkman | i get a lot of info and errors when i run tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 19:04.00 | vpv | Zorkman: the tail command will just show you the latest logs and you can maybe find out what the logs say when you plug in the phone |
| 19:04.08 | Zorkman | ok, thanks |
| 19:06.14 | Zorkman | ok, i did all that, what now? |
| 19:07.01 | vpv | Zorkman: this is one of the log lines I see, "usb 4-2: Product: Neo1973 Bootloader U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12" |
| 19:07.24 | vpv | can you see anything like that? that would mean that the kernel recognized the Neo |
| 19:07.25 | Zorkman | nope, nothing here, only error messages about pulseaudio and console-kit-daemon |
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| 19:08.02 | Zorkman | (also about hcid and gconfd) |
| 19:08.21 | mw| | vpv: type mount, and tell me if you have /proc/bus/usb mounted (as usbfs) |
| 19:08.24 | Zorkman | can the fact that i run this linus distro from and external usb-hd influence it? |
| 19:08.55 | vpv | mw|: no |
| 19:09.38 | mw| | vpv: test this (as root) mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb |
| 19:10.09 | mw| | (I'm not sure if dfu-util depends on the new or old schem of usb-userspace. if the old scheme, that mount is needed) |
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| 19:10.48 | vpv | mw|: I'm not the one having problems with dfu-utils, it works fine here |
| 19:11.15 | mw| | aaah |
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| 19:11.21 | mw| | me bad :-p |
| 19:11.33 | Zorkman | another question: is it normal that the usb connector is not a very tight fit? i can wiggle it a bit around? |
| 19:13.06 | Zorkman | woohoo, it recognizes it now! |
| 19:13.45 | Zorkman | i typed ./dfu-util -a uboot -R -D uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin and got the error No such Alternate Setting: "uboot" |
| 19:14.14 | Zorkman | what do i have to type? the wiki says ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin |
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| 19:14.29 | Zorkman | but this cant be right because i want to flash uboot, not the kernel |
| 19:14.53 | retracile | thought you needed to use the debug JTAG board to flash uboot... |
| 19:15.11 | retracile | Zorkman: why do you want to flash uboot? |
| 19:15.30 | lpotter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.35 | Zorkman | you only need a debug board to flash NAND if I recall correctly |
| 19:15.45 | retracile | ah |
| 19:16.05 | Zorkman | i just want to update uboot to be up to date... it has new patched i read on the mailinlist so you can boot up and charge the phone with an empty battery |
| 19:16.33 | Zorkman | lpotter you mean ./dfu-util -a 1 -R -D uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin ? |
| 19:16.41 | lpotter | after that flashes you should be able to use named aprtitions |
| 19:16.45 | lpotter | yes |
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| 19:17.03 | balrog-k1n | try to not use partition numbers directly |
| 19:17.12 | Zorkman | yes! thanks lpotter |
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| 19:17.20 | balrog-k1n | -a u-boot should work as well |
| 19:17.38 | Zorkman | so now my uboot is up to date and i can reboot in bor and flash the newest kernel and file system? |
| 19:17.55 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r4541 10/developers/werner/tpc/ (. tpc.fig tpc.ps): Test-point connector proposal. |
| 19:19.38 | Zorkman | can anybody recommend an immage? |
| 19:20.19 | lpotter | try the qtopia image at qtopia.net :) |
| 19:20.36 | Zorkman | hehe :) |
| 19:20.44 | Zorkman | why am i not surpised you say that :) |
| 19:20.52 | Zorkman | does the gps work with the latest qtopia? |
| 19:20.57 | lpotter | because I am not biased |
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| 19:21.13 | Zorkman | (and does it have the patches concerning the sd card?) |
| 19:21.17 | lpotter | i have not done any gps "fixes" |
| 19:21.30 | Zorkman | (i want to try them all so i might as well begin with qtopia :)) |
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| 19:21.58 | lpotter | oh then try the others first and then try qtopia |
| 19:22.18 | Zorkman | ok... |
| 19:22.38 | Zorkman | should i get the latest build or a a latest stable release? (there used to be stable ones, but i can't find them now...) |
| 19:25.01 | vpv | Zorkman: The gps/sd card fixes should be in the kernel, so if you use the latest openmoko kernel with the qtopia.net rootfs image, it should be fine. I have not tested a recent openmoko kernel with qtopia myself, though. |
| 19:25.30 | retracile | Ok, so let's say that I want to go look at how multitap-pad is implemented. How do I go from packagename to a copy of the source? |
| 19:25.34 | lpotter | exceeept then you wont haveeee mwesters suspend fixes |
| 19:26.20 | alx_ | retracile, bitbake -c devshell <packagename> |
| 19:26.38 | Zorkman | openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 is this the ASU? |
| 19:26.51 | Zorkman | or is it openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 ? |
| 19:26.54 | retracile | alx_: ok... I see I have some more terms to learn. ;) |
| 19:27.02 | alx_ | retracile, me too |
| 19:27.09 | alx_ | I learned this 8 hours ago |
| 19:27.12 | alx_ | eheh |
| 19:27.38 | retracile | alx_: heh. :) In that case, do you have the link you learned from handy? |
| 19:27.45 | alx_ | this download source, unpack, apply patches and open a shell inside the copy of the source |
| 19:27.54 | alx_ | retracile, you're where I learnt |
| 19:27.57 | alx_ | here |
| 19:28.17 | alx_ | retracile, now I'm going to do a full immersion of bitbake and OE |
| 19:29.08 | alx_ | because, as far as I get OpenMoko is based on OE, which uses BitBake (a rework of the gentoo portage scheme) |
| 19:29.28 | alx_ | BitBake uses the same concepts behind gentoo portage |
| 19:30.36 | Zorkman | I succesfully flashed uboot but it stil says "may 9 2008", is this normal? |
| 19:30.52 | Zorkman | uboot 1.3.25-moko12 |
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| 19:30.58 | Zorkman | 1.3.2 imean |
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| 19:33.20 | vpv | Zorkman: that's probably the NOR uboot. AFAIK you can only flash the NAND uboot. |
| 19:33.51 | alx_ | ehm... I'm having troubles with my debug board |
| 19:33.55 | Zorkman | you're right, i got confused, thanks very much! |
| 19:34.04 | alx_ | may someone help me ? |
| 19:34.10 | retracile | alx_: I presume that bitbake is on your dev pc, not on the phone directly? |
| 19:34.26 | retracile | alx_: I haven't tried out my dboard yet. |
| 19:34.28 | alx_ | retracile, you got the point, BitBake is used to compile ipk |
| 19:34.38 | alx_ | create jffs2 images |
| 19:34.43 | alx_ | and all that suff |
| 19:34.44 | alx_ | stuff |
| 19:34.51 | retracile | 'k. |
| 19:34.57 | alx_ | I suggest to configure your enviroment with MokoMakefile at first |
| 19:35.09 | alx_ | then a simple source ./setup-env |
| 19:35.17 | alx_ | and you're ready to work with bitbake |
| 19:35.28 | nomeata | retracile: it can also create the package lists so that you can start a webserver on your dev pc and use opkg upgrade to update your builds |
| 19:36.14 | retracile | great! |
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| 19:38.14 | Blastur | hmm.. anyone know a good (efficient) way to determine if a byte (8 bits) contains a majority of ones? |
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| 19:39.18 | retracile | Blastur: yeah. I'm curious about the usecase though |
| 19:39.39 | ikjh | Blastur: Use the byte as an offset into a list of precalculated answers? |
| 19:40.01 | Blastur | retracile, what is it? |
| 19:40.11 | balrog-k1n | yeah i guess that's the most efficient way |
| 19:40.33 | retracile | Blastur: x & (x-1) removes the least significant 1 bit |
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| 19:41.13 | Blastur | okay..? :) |
| 19:41.54 | Blastur | does that help me? |
| 19:41.59 | Blastur | *confused* |
| 19:42.45 | retracile | Blastur: if x == 0, you have no 1's left; count how many ones are present. Since you only need to know if there are >4, you can break before hitting 0. |
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| 19:43.05 | retracile | Blastur: but again, what's the use case? Are you needing to do this once, or a bunch of times, or what? |
| 19:43.10 | ikjh | Blastur: http://infolab.stanford.edu/~manku/bitcount/bitcount.html has some examples for different use cases. retracile's suggestion is one of them. So is mine. |
| 19:43.32 | retracile | Blastur: And ikjh's and my suggestions are not mutually exclusive... |
| 19:43.36 | ikjh | Although that counts all bits. Maybe there is a shortcut for "majority of ones" . |
| 19:44.17 | Blastur | okay, thanks.. the usecase is to do a kind of error correction; basically put all data eight times, bitwise.. and then to find the bit, you read 1 byte and check majority |
| 19:45.04 | Blastur | (if you store bootcode on really crappy flash ..) |
| 19:45.28 | Blastur | like, nowadays, manufacturers dont even promise the first blocks to be solid |
| 19:45.51 | retracile | Blastur: I suspect you'd be better off doing a "real" error correcting code, but I haven't dug into it... |
| 19:46.49 | Blastur | well, the problem is we have really limited memory for the code that does the error correcting.. so ECC won't cut it, unless we put in ECC hardware |
| 19:47.26 | Blastur | it's a very peculiar problem :) |
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| 19:48.42 | Blastur | brb |
| 19:54.38 | retracile | Uhm... I just tried to fix a typo on wiki.openmoko.org, and I got a Database error.... who needs to know about that? |
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| 20:02.59 | Zorkman | I flashed openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 but when i click on exposure nothing happens |
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| 20:07.29 | retracile | Zorkman: that image didn't seem very functional when I tried it.... |
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| 20:14.56 | Zorkman | retracile, what is the latest stable ASU build then? (same for 2007.2 image) |
| 20:15.23 | retracile | Zorkman: I'm not sure... I tried the nightly builds from yesterday. |
| 20:15.41 | retracile | My understanding was that the ASU isn't very far along at the moment. |
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| 20:16.06 | Zorkman | i also noticed it :) |
| 20:16.24 | Zorkman | is there a recommended 2007.2 image? |
| 20:16.38 | edistar | Zorkman: not really |
| 20:16.46 | edistar | Zorkman: just try the latest buildhost image |
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| 20:18.15 | Zorkman | ok, thanks everyone |
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| 20:20.22 | dcordes | XorA|gone: ping |
| 20:20.34 | Zorkman | question: where can i find the 2007.2 images? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/ only has very old images at http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/ |
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| 20:22.32 | Stroller | Zorkman: my broswer's on a go-slow right now. Try searching for "daily builds" |
| 20:23.01 | aggtrfrad | anyone run debian on freerunner? |
| 20:23.57 | Zorkman | Stroller, what will the filenames look like? |
| 20:24.12 | Zorkman | because there is only daily/freerunner and daily/1973 |
| 20:25.04 | retracile | Zorkman: it has 'devel' in the filename instead of 'qtopia-x11' |
| 20:25.12 | Zorkman | ah, perfect, thanks |
| 20:28.50 | peepsalot | after installing tangogps, and enabling gps, is there more I need to do before getting a first fix? i can't even tell if it's looking for one |
| 20:29.49 | tessier | peepsalot: turn on the gps |
| 20:29.54 | tessier | peepsalot: go outside |
| 20:29.57 | tessier | peepsalot: wait |
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| 20:31.59 | carrar | Nice, new sim was free |
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| 20:32.31 | bobkare | peepsalot: have you configured gpsd? |
| 20:32.58 | peepsalot | no, i guess not |
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| 20:33.19 | bobkare | there are instructions on the wiki, you have to change something in /etc/default/gpsd |
| 20:36.10 | dcordes | mickey|away: ping |
| 20:37.20 | peepsalot | bobkare, there is no /etc/default/gpsd on my device |
| 20:37.44 | bobkare | peepsalot: have you installed gpsd? |
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| 20:39.02 | peepsalot | ah, no. i assumed it would be there already, considering there are menu options to turn on GPS antenna |
| 20:39.38 | Stroller | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS |
| 20:41.11 | |Marco| | hum.. rart, fikk brukt den interne gps'en for første gang idag... "varmet den opp" med ekstern antenne så endte den faktisk opp med å holde fix'en :D har aldri greid det før |
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| 20:41.59 | bobkare | |Marco|: perhaps try in english on the english channel? :) |
| 20:42.07 | |Marco| | crap, sorry |
| 20:42.16 | peepsalot | does /etc/resolv.conf get overwritten on every boot? |
| 20:42.35 | bobkare | |Marco|: have you tried the gps without the sd card btw? |
| 20:43.12 | |Marco| | jepp, that's what I ment, it worked with the micro sd card and the sim card |
| 20:43.41 | |Marco| | I sortof warmed it up with an eksternal antenna |
| 20:44.03 | bobkare | ok, so with the external antenna you could use it with the sd card in? |
| 20:44.42 | bobkare | but have you gotten fixes with just the internal antenna? taking out the sd card should help |
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| 20:45.44 | |Marco| | I got the fix with the eksternal antenna, yanked it out, and managed to hold the fix |
| 20:45.54 | |Marco| | with the internal antenna |
| 20:45.56 | kd8ikt | newer kernels have an SD card clk fix |
| 20:45.59 | bobkare | yeah, i under stood that |
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| 20:46.04 | bobkare | *understood |
| 20:46.15 | |Marco| | kd8ikt: I heard that |
| 20:46.18 | |Marco| | bobkare: okiday |
| 20:46.24 | bedboi | what about power management in new kernels ? any improvements? |
| 20:46.41 | bobkare | |Marco|: you could just try yanking out the sd card and see if you get a fix on the internal antenna then |
| 20:47.01 | kd8ikt | though i'm having a small prob tangogps is frezing on the llatest dev image |
| 20:47.26 | kd8ikt | think its having probs connecting to gpsd |
| 20:47.51 | |Marco| | bobkare: I did, didn't helt |
| 20:48.03 | |Marco| | bedboi: dont know |
| 20:48.14 | bobkare | hm, seems you have a worse hw problem then :/ |
| 20:48.32 | |Marco| | well.. I need to test some stuff first |
| 20:48.55 | kd8ikt | with full power management, after about 5-10min asleep it doesnt want to wake up |
| 20:49.17 | kd8ikt | hasnt tried manually using apm -s |
| 20:49.44 | mw| | |Marco|: you hungry btw? I can pick you up, and we can do some GPS testing here |
| 20:50.03 | |Marco| | mw|: where is "here" ? |
| 20:50.23 | |Marco| | oooh, mw| do you have "canned air" ? |
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| 20:51.03 | |Marco| | it seems like one of my ddr slots has crap inn it or somthing, since the mem chip that tested defect is testing clean in a diffrent slot now |
| 20:51.07 | mw| | |Marco|: there is still pressure on the compressor, so yes (I can't run the compressor more today, since it is tolate, it will wake up the other neighbours) |
| 20:51.21 | |Marco| | uuuum... |
| 20:51.32 | SpeedEvil | |Marco|: rip open a biro, and blow through the tube. |
| 20:51.41 | mw| | but should be enough air (big tank on it) |
| 20:51.51 | |Marco| | spit rests on the ddr slot ? I think not :D |
| 20:52.01 | |Marco| | mw|: hehehe |
| 20:52.02 | SpeedEvil | You don't gob in the tube. |
| 20:52.10 | |Marco| | SpeedEvil: neh :D |
| 20:52.41 | mw| | |Marco|: use compressed metan, and ignite it.. should give you a blow that removes dust :-p |
| 20:53.12 | |Marco| | anyway, eather it's dust/gunk or somthing in the slot or there is a pin issue on ddr slot nr 2 on my main board |
| 20:53.22 | |Marco| | mw|: dork :D |
| 20:53.31 | mw| | |Marco|: or broken copper-connection on the pcb |
| 20:53.35 | |Marco| | and burnt dust is better ?? |
| 20:53.42 | mw| | |Marco|: it is more fun |
| 20:53.51 | |Marco| | mw|: jepp, I'm guessing it's somthing like that |
| 20:54.07 | |Marco| | mw|: yeah.. but it also fries more components :D |
| 20:54.27 | |Marco| | second pass on the memtest nom is at 40% and is still clean sofar |
| 20:54.36 | retracile | alx_: Did 'make setup' spend a long time on "A trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/g_ether-highpower.patch" ? |
| 20:55.02 | mw| | retracile: shouldn't do |
| 20:55.17 | retracile | mw|: 'k, I'll try killing it.. |
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| 20:56.17 | retracile | looks like it's off and running again... and completed. cool. |
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| 20:58.16 | Dave | :) |
| 20:58.48 | |Marco| | CRAP, there the first defect popped up :( |
| 20:59.43 | |Marco| | curses defect ram chips |
| 21:04.35 | malik1972 | lpotter: ping |
| 21:05.17 | lpotter | malik1972: pong |
| 21:05.47 | malik1972 | lpotter: hi, tried some packages in the 4.3.2 feed |
| 21:06.10 | lpotter | hmmm |
| 21:06.26 | malik1972 | lpotter: filemanager and scribble is usable |
| 21:06.43 | lpotter | ya the games are not |
| 21:06.51 | lpotter | i have a few others to add |
| 21:07.03 | malik1972 | an icon for scribble is missing |
| 21:07.31 | malik1972 | and the screenshot packages is not found by the packetmanager |
| 21:07.33 | lpotter | ya thats fixed when I update it next |
| 21:08.05 | malik1972 | another issue |
| 21:08.40 | malik1972 | setting telephone pin does not work anymore for me |
| 21:08.59 | kd8ikt | yeah i have like 4 badblocks |
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| 21:10.08 | soulchild | Hi all,... |
| 21:10.12 | malik1972 | lpotter: qtopia cant change it ... maybe i want something different, locking screen -> pin |
| 21:10.25 | lpotter | hmmm ok |
| 21:10.38 | soulchild | I am interested in that freerunner phone, what's the first impression ? |
| 21:10.39 | retracile | With MokoMakefile, do I have to do a build of the entire image before I can build a single package? |
| 21:10.42 | malik1972 | that was possible |
| 21:10.57 | MadTBone | what is the benefit of flashing a new uboot...other than for customization? |
| 21:11.12 | malik1972 | maybe i forgot where i changed it, i thought it was "security" |
| 21:11.35 | retracile | MadTBone: there was some talk earlier about a fix for booting with a dead (or absent?) battery... |
| 21:12.22 | lpotter | malik1972: thats where the sim pin lock is. |
| 21:12.27 | lpotter | I will look into that |
| 21:13.21 | edistar | can anyone give me the link to a patch for neod? or an ipk? |
| 21:14.03 | malik1972 | lpotter: can i import contact files etc? |
| 21:14.15 | kd8ikt | hey is gllin needed for freerunner? (gps console app) |
| 21:14.51 | kd8ikt | maybe thats why tangogps wasnt working for me |
| 21:15.00 | lpotter | malik1972: from the sim |
| 21:15.11 | bobkare | kd8ikt: noe, gllin is only for gta01 |
| 21:15.42 | mw| | kd8ikt: you need to have gpsd running (I think) |
| 21:15.48 | kd8ikt | it was |
| 21:15.50 | mw| | and GPS-atenna must be powered up |
| 21:15.59 | bobkare | kd8ikt: have a look at agpsui and see if that works. if that works but not tangogps make sure gpsd is installed and correctly configured |
| 21:16.04 | kd8ikt | but still tango should work without gps connection |
| 21:16.10 | kd8ikt | it was freezing on me |
| 21:16.14 | mw| | on 0.9.2 I have to enter configure and hit "reconnect to gpsd" |
| 21:16.17 | kd8ikt | (latest dev image) |
| 21:16.21 | malik1972 | lpotter: i had a look at the rootfs, is it possible to do a kind of backup which keeps my settings |
| 21:16.39 | kd8ikt | i couldnt do anything in tango it would freeze at start |
| 21:16.52 | kd8ikt | <couldnt move map or click config> |
| 21:16.53 | malik1972 | lpotter: is /home/root sufficient? |
| 21:17.12 | lpotter | malik1972: yes. just tar up /home/root/Settings Applications Documents |
| 21:17.53 | malik1972 | lpotter: thats good |
| 21:18.21 | Zorkman | how to change the time with the 2007.2 image? |
| 21:18.39 | malik1972 | Zorkman: date on console |
| 21:20.48 | Zorkman | i wish i could make some gui's for all this... |
| 21:21.10 | malik1972 | Zorkman: there shoul be guis for that! |
| 21:21.45 | Zorkman | i presume it will not take very long because it seems to me very simple (if one knows how to program it :)) |
| 21:22.11 | Zorkman | actionscript and java is the only thing I can do, I'm new at everything in linux, the terminal is getting very abused by me ) |
| 21:23.01 | malik1972 | lpotter: can you give an outlook, in which direction qtopia will go, what are your next steps concerning qtopia on freerunner ... |
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| 21:23.29 | lpotter | 4.4 :) |
| 21:23.51 | malik1972 | lpotter: what is new in 4.4? |
| 21:24.09 | malik1972 | lpotter: any release dates or infos? |
| 21:24.13 | lpotter | webkit |
| 21:25.27 | malik1972 | okay, a browser is missing right |
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| 21:25.56 | malik1972 | wlan handling, primitive gps app |
| 21:26.18 | lpotter | wlan works in 4.3 |
| 21:26.30 | malik1972 | wpa2 also? |
| 21:26.51 | lpotter | thats the systems bug |
| 21:27.23 | malik1972 | how can i configure it, the differnt tools give me wap configs and so on |
| 21:28.21 | malik1972 | with wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 21:28.33 | lpotter | it wont work |
| 21:28.51 | lpotter | just use the internet settings app |
| 21:29.45 | malik1972 | found it |
| 21:35.33 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r8dff3afd7fef 10/ (data/themes/zhone_location.edc src/zhone): use evas to display a bargraph for gps signal strength |
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| 21:36.25 | owen1 | what do you think of this video review of openmoko? http://www.vimeo.com/1366923 |
| 21:36.50 | kd8ikt | great but not enough T&A |
| 21:37.15 | malik1972 | lpotter: how can i access ! with the keyboard? |
| 21:37.36 | malik1972 | okay |
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| 21:38.45 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * raef7d5267ed5 10/data/themes/ (zhone.edc zhone_message.edc): use static font sizes to improve performance |
| 21:38.51 | safire | hey all, quick question - does opkg work with ASU? |
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| 21:40.56 | almien | owen1: someone thinks it's competing with iphone on finishedness? wtf? |
| 21:41.40 | sparrow | Does anyone have any experience with debugging sim cards and connections to providers? |
| 21:42.17 | retracile | sparrow: only enough to realize I'd put mine in the wrong way... |
| 21:42.26 | sparrow | =) |
| 21:42.41 | safire | sparrow: just a tad -- have you tried libgsm-tool? |
| 21:42.55 | owen1 | almien: you're right, but it good to listen to criticism |
| 21:43.01 | sparrow | I am getting a registration with the provider, but not being permitted to dial out. |
| 21:43.13 | sparrow | safire - Yeah, here is the output: |
| 21:43.27 | sparrow | # Dial 4166036556 |
| 21:43.27 | sparrow | RSTR=`OK' |
| 21:43.27 | sparrow | EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: UNKNOWN |
| 21:43.27 | sparrow | EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: REJECT |
| 21:43.27 | sparrow | EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: RELEASE |
| 21:43.28 | sparrow | EVENT: Signal Quality: 25 |
| 21:43.57 | almien | owen1: haven't played with it enough to get involved in that debate yet - I'm just using it as a programmable GPS |
| 21:43.58 | safire | so "r" gives you a successful registration? that's where i got stuck, registeration denied |
| 21:44.44 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r40fbde234409 10/src/zhone: use the left gps page by default |
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| 21:45.00 | almien | though I've already missed a few phone calls because I assumed that "answer call" would be on right-hand-side of screen, and openmoko puts "drop the call" button there |
| 21:45.01 | sparrow | safire - Sec, giving it a try |
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| 21:45.41 | almien | without any red/green icons either - everything is amber in openmoko |
| 21:46.44 | trix | owen1, a video critique of either qtopia or asu seems a bit silly at this point, but i suppose it might save people the trouble of installing either and expecting a consumer-ready os |
| 21:48.07 | owen1 | trix: this video will delay the purchase of freerunner by majority of non-developers that thought about buying it. |
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| 21:48.42 | safire | in the daily images directory -- is the .tar.gz file just a compressed version of the jffs2 file? |
| 21:49.06 | safire | want to give ASU a try, see if it's a little better than stock 2007.2 image |
| 21:49.39 | mjr | no, it's a compressed tar archive |
| 21:49.46 | swc|666 | has anyone got a USB wifi dongle to run on the FR? I built a kernel with all of the needed support for the rt73, bought a mini B OTG connector and a powered hub and yet it seems the card doent get power (?) |
| 21:49.56 | trix | owen1: i believe the dialer works regardless of which os you throw on it. it has always been a phone for developers. |
| 21:50.52 | safire | mjr: whats in the archive, though? (i'm downloading now, so i'll see soon enough ...) |
| 21:52.02 | mjr | the same files as in the filesystem image |
| 21:52.04 | sparrow | safire - Hmmm, still has not registered. |
| 21:53.19 | safire | so jffs2 is the kernel, tar.gz is the root fs? |
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| 21:54.18 | ieatlint | jffs2 is the rootfs |
| 21:54.21 | trix | owen1, i'm just now creating a script to run between firmware upgrades to restore my settings, wifi config, contacts and some basic ui changes. overall i love the freerunner and the doors it is opening up. issues like call quality and ear-hangups will be addressed soon i bet. |
| 21:54.23 | ieatlint | the uimage.bin is the kernel |
| 21:55.02 | zilux | there was just a post about text mode web browser in 2007.2: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022778.html |
| 21:55.03 | safire | also, do you know the diff between the openmoko-qtopia-x11... and the Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11... image? |
| 21:55.21 | zilux | if a package is missing in the openmoko repository but present in openembedde is there a way to complete the opkg source list? |
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| 21:57.27 | zilux | I have just list the freerunner package in 2007.2, and some of my favorite soft are missing :-) |
| 21:57.49 | zilux | (navit, espeak, speech-dispatcher) |
| 22:00.45 | safire | so, to switch to ASU, do i need a new kernel, or just the jffs2 image? |
| 22:01.22 | igor321 | did anyone do a video review of ASU? |
| 22:02.10 | retracile | safire: as I understand it, just the jffs2 |
| 22:02.52 | safire | thx, retracile, the wiki is very very vague about what images you need |
| 22:03.37 | retracile | safire: yeah... there's a rather steep learning curve, and I hope I can reduce it... we'll see. |
| 22:05.40 | sparrow | safire - I am not getting any registration by using the r command... It just gives this: |
| 22:05.45 | *** join/#openmoko sitwon (n=adam@68-247-18-149.area3.spcsdns.net) |
| 22:05.50 | sparrow | r |
| 22:05.50 | sparrow | Register |
| 22:05.50 | sparrow | EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: UNKNOWN |
| 22:05.50 | sparrow | EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: REJECT |
| 22:05.50 | sparrow | EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: RELEASE |
| 22:05.54 | sparrow | EVENT: Netreg searching for network |
| 22:06.16 | sparrow | And does not come back. Waited about 10minutes. |
| 22:06.59 | sparrow | But if I power0 off the Antenna, and then power it back on, I getL |
| 22:07.15 | sparrow | Power-On |
| 22:07.15 | sparrow | Modem powered-up okay |
| 22:07.15 | sparrow | EVENT: Netreg searching for network |
| 22:07.16 | sparrow | EVENT: Netreg registered (home network) LocationAreaCode = 0x1194 CellID = 0x9594 |
| 22:07.24 | sparrow | So, that is registared, right? |
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| 22:08.52 | *** part/#openmoko kdean06_ (n=Kevin@fsf/member/kdean06) |
| 22:09.15 | MadTBone | here's a question.... tapping the power button kills the current app... what happens if you tap the power button in a call? |
| 22:09.44 | MadTBone | the dialer should quit.... |
| 22:09.52 | MadTBone | but does the call get dropped? |
| 22:09.53 | dTx | It kills the other person |
| 22:10.08 | retracile | dTx: EEeeeeexcellent :) |
| 22:10.10 | safire | sparrow: yep, that looks registered to me, otherwise you'd get denied |
| 22:10.11 | MadTBone | dTx: hmmm.... |
| 22:10.21 | retracile | Is there a drawing app available? |
| 22:10.23 | Toaster` | dTx: Similar to xkcd's zealous autoconf? |
| 22:10.27 | Zorkman | i can ping my freerunner but when i type ssh root@192.168.0.202 the terminal does nothing... |
| 22:10.48 | Zorkman | i followed the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Connect_to_the_Neo_FreeRunner_By_USB_Networking |
| 22:11.04 | almien | Zorkman: is anything else .202? |
| 22:11.17 | dTx | Is your local subnet 192.168.0.* |
| 22:11.18 | dTx | ? |
| 22:11.39 | MadTBone | does it seem like the speaker volume is a bit low (in speakerphone mode, I mean...) |
| 22:11.48 | dTx | Sure does for me |
| 22:11.50 | Zorkman | i'm a newbie, how can i check it? i'm not behind a router, i'm connected via lan through modem, so i guess i'm nog 192.168.0.*? |
| 22:11.57 | owen1 | can i ssh into the freerunner and tunnel the X server? |
| 22:12.09 | MadTBone | dTx: was that to me? |
| 22:12.15 | Zorkman | (it's just that i'm not uised to linux so i have to google everything..) |
| 22:12.16 | dTx | MadTBone: yep |
| 22:12.40 | almien | Zorkman: using which OS on your PC> |
| 22:12.44 | *** join/#openmoko kerwood (n=Marshall@c-69-250-35-141.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 22:12.54 | MadTBone | dTx: I was just in a call and fiddling with alsamixer...couldn't get spkrphone to go louder |
| 22:12.58 | safire | Zorkman: try "ifconfig" and see what other interfaces are using - look for "inet addr: " |
| 22:13.01 | Zorkman | fedora9, from an external usb hd |
| 22:13.04 | almien | ifconfig should give you a list of all the net addresses you're using |
| 22:13.17 | dTx | MadTBone: yeah, its kind of odd because I know the speaker can output a lot louder |
| 22:13.58 | Zorkman | i get a few thins: eth0, lo, usb0 and vibr0 |
| 22:14.03 | MadTBone | dTx: yeah...I've played music through it at a volume that would have been quite usable for calls |
| 22:14.08 | dTx | MadTBone: Do you know if the audio to and from GSM is hard wired or uses the software to pass it on? |
| 22:14.09 | Zorkman | usb0 is inet6 addr: fe80::387b:73ff:fe94:841f/64 Scope:Link |
| 22:14.11 | almien | the neo anti-chav limitation kicks-in to limit maximum volume ;) |
| 22:14.42 | MadTBone | dTx: well...if you open up alsamixer then start a call, a few of the faders move.... |
| 22:14.51 | Zorkman | only virbr0 has something in the 192.168 range: inet addr:192.168.122.1 Bcast:192.168.122.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 22:15.02 | MadTBone | dTx: I assume this is by design...not a bug |
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| 22:15.39 | dTx | MadTBone: yeah, but I was just wondering if you can insert some software audio processing if need be in between mic and gsm and gsm and speaker |
| 22:16.06 | safire | Zorkman: that looks good -- if you can ping that's a good sign |
| 22:16.07 | mjr | dTx, you can, the audio is routed through the wolfson codec and you can pretty much route it how you like |
| 22:16.12 | MadTBone | dTx: ahh....I think you should be able to.... |
| 22:16.21 | safire | i've seen reference to the need to install "dropbear" manually from terminal on the phone |
| 22:16.23 | mjr | per default it goes direct mic->gsm->earpiece |
| 22:16.25 | Zorkman | i did everything a second thime and now it works... |
| 22:16.26 | safire | dropbear is the ssh server |
| 22:16.27 | MadTBone | mjr: good to know |
| 22:16.27 | *** part/#openmoko kerwood (n=Marshall@c-69-250-35-141.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 22:16.42 | Zorkman | safire: it looks like it is ok now, thanks... but didn't do anything new :s |
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| 22:17.00 | mjr | But you can route it to the soc instead to do stuff. Either way. |
| 22:17.14 | dTx | mjr: do think there would be much of an impact performance wise piping it through a software pre-amp |
| 22:17.35 | mjr | (per default == the default software does that) |
| 22:17.38 | MadTBone | dTx: shouldn't be a big hit.... |
| 22:18.01 | MadTBone | mjr: I think dTx means amping the volume in the SOC |
| 22:18.05 | mjr | I wouldn't presume so, but don't know. Maybe some battery drainage. |
| 22:18.08 | dTx | Right |
| 22:18.34 | dTx | As long as you just use a couple of shl's it probably wouldn't be too bad :-P |
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| 22:19.07 | MadTBone | mjr: ....beyond what the wolfson codec will do |
| 22:19.13 | MadTBone | dTx: shl? |
| 22:19.28 | dTx | bit shift left |
| 22:19.30 | dTx | x2 |
| 22:19.40 | MadTBone | dTx: ahh, right |
| 22:19.51 | MadTBone | dTx: that should be almost no impact |
| 22:19.53 | dTx | that probably wouldn't actually amply anything correctly though |
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| 22:20.23 | dTx | or would it... |
| 22:20.26 | MadTBone | dTx: well, w/ pcm type audio it would |
| 22:20.51 | dTx | of course that is assuming that it is an order of magnitude too quiet |
| 22:20.58 | MadTBone | dTx: I'm not familiar with telephony codecs |
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| 22:21.28 | dTx | MadTBone: I'm assuming that what the SOC get access to is just PCM audio |
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| 22:21.48 | dTx | I assume |
| 22:22.08 | dTx | But I would think there would be considerably more processor usage though |
| 22:22.34 | dTx | And wonder if it wouldn't hurt the interface responsiveness |
| 22:22.41 | dTx | going from processing no audio to processing all audio |
| 22:23.16 | Zorkman | question: when i type "opg install gpsd" i get "An error ocurred, return value: 2." |
| 22:23.39 | safire | Zorkman: try ping www.yahoo.com, do you get a response? |
| 22:23.43 | MadTBone | dTx: well...unless a transform can be done without decoding to PCM in the SOC, I think that audio would almost need to be decoded first |
| 22:23.46 | mjr | dTx, it would appear as normal digital audio input and output on the soc, yes |
| 22:24.01 | Zorkman | no now i do net get a response, but i used to get one... |
| 22:24.10 | MadTBone | dTx: question answered |
| 22:24.17 | MadTBone | mjr: thanks |
| 22:24.51 | Zorkman | how do I reconnect the freerunner? do i need to close the terminal and start over? |
| 22:25.05 | safire | ssh is dead? |
| 22:25.12 | *** join/#openmoko jeffszusz (n=jeffsz@d57-109-198.home.cgocable.net) |
| 22:25.18 | MadTBone | safire: long live telnet |
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| 22:25.35 | Zorkman | i don't think so... when i type root@om-gta02:~# date i get a response |
| 22:25.38 | safire | MadTBone: lol, who needs that funky security stuff anyway |
| 22:26.11 | safire | Zorkman: don't bother with opkg until you can ping www.yahoo.com |
| 22:26.20 | Zorkman | when i do "opkg install openmoko-browser2" it works, it says it is up to date, but gpsd gives an error |
| 22:26.58 | Zorkman | thank you safire, but how do i fix it so i can ping other adresses? |
| 22:28.08 | safire | Zorkman: check out the wiki on USB Networking to get routing to work - also, here's a page i found useful http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2007/12/31/usb-networking-routing-forwarding-name-resolution/ |
| 22:29.13 | ieatlint | well, i got pidgin running on the phone, but it doesn't work too well |
| 22:29.21 | MadTBone | safire: real men don't even use telnet...they tap out an encrypted bit stream using an old telegraph machine |
| 22:29.37 | ieatlint | you can't type in your password (had to hack the xml file it stores it in) and it doesn't show you what you're typing |
| 22:29.51 | ieatlint | MadTBone: actual, no |
| 22:29.59 | edistar | ieatlint: what do you expect ;) |
| 22:30.06 | ieatlint | real men use a homemade battery with a spool of wire to create sparks |
| 22:30.25 | ieatlint | edistar: to see what i'm typing :P |
| 22:30.45 | Zorkman | i already done everything on http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2007/12/31/usb-networking-routing-forwarding-name-resolution/ but no luck.... |
| 22:31.17 | safire | Zorkman: what's in your /etc/resolv.conf file? |
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| 22:31.27 | Zorkman | on my host pc or on the freerunner? |
| 22:31.57 | MadTBone | dTx: so... the volume slider in the dialer (speakerphone mode) controls "Headphone" in alsamixer ... however, that doesn't seem to affect output level |
| 22:32.16 | safire | on freerunner |
| 22:32.41 | dTx | I click speakerphone off and then on again and it seems to be louder the second time for some reason |
| 22:33.02 | safire | just flashed ASU - rebooting - pray i didn't f something up |
| 22:33.18 | safire | lol -- love the boots |
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| 22:33.30 | CVirus | hehe |
| 22:33.32 | *** part/#openmoko owen1 (n=oren@76.91.167.246) |
| 22:33.40 | MadTBone | dTx: not happening for me...same volume each time |
| 22:33.40 | Zorkman | safire: -sh: resolv.conf: Permission denied |
| 22:33.59 | safire | Z: how about 'cat /etc/resolve.conf' |
| 22:34.06 | safire | (drop the e) |
| 22:34.49 | Zorkman | nameserver 192.168.0.200 |
| 22:35.12 | SpeedEvil | dTx: on audio routing. The WM* device has 3 ADCs, and 2 DACs, you can route the GSM audio to/from these flexibly. You then just sample at 8 bits, and transform the signal in the way you want. |
| 22:35.22 | safire | Z: yeah...you'll need to change that |
| 22:35.37 | MadTBone | dTx: also..it seems like pegging the soc processor makes calls drop out |
| 22:35.54 | Zorkman | god i feel stupid: change into my dns? |
| 22:35.57 | MadTBone | SpeedEvil: what's the default routing for voice calls |
| 22:36.11 | safire | Z: as is, it's trying to use your host as the DNS resolver, which it problably is not set up to do |
| 22:36.46 | SpeedEvil | MadTBone: it's in the wiki - ... Neo1973 audio subsystem (freerunner is simila) |
| 22:36.59 | safire | Z: try "echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 > /etc/resolv.conf" |
| 22:37.04 | MadTBone | SpeedEvil: thanks...heading there now |
| 22:37.11 | safire | Z: thats opendns |
| 22:37.54 | CVirus | how much time does it take the FR to boot recently ? |
| 22:38.11 | linuxxee | yprolly more |
| 22:38.29 | MadTBone | ahhh.... analog to and from GSM modem.... |
| 22:38.34 | linuxxee | on the stock kernel? |
| 22:38.49 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.09 | doc|home | hates Sinead O'Connor |
| 22:39.16 | doc|home | gave the rest of us O'Connors a bad name |
| 22:39.41 | retracile | Zorkman: you may also try 'scp /etc/resolv.conf root@192.168.0.202:/var/run/resolv.conf' |
| 22:39.46 | dTx | MadTBone: yeah it routes directly to/from GSM so there is no processing involved currently. If I understood correctly |
| 22:39.48 | retracile | ejects |
| 22:40.04 | walrustown | hmm I'm having a hard time finding the source for the 2007.2 built-in screen lock program. can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 22:40.07 | SpeedEvil | dTx: yup - ATM |
| 22:40.24 | Zorkman | safire: i dit the echo nameserver and it didn't change anything, or do i have to do it on the freerunner? |
| 22:40.53 | safire | Z: sorry...yes that was for the freerunner, not your PC...shouldn't hurt though |
| 22:41.15 | Zorkman | still no ping... bad adress... |
| 22:42.00 | Zorkman | btw: i try to make a file described in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking --> fedora -> option (A), but when i try to save it is says i do not have permission to do so... |
| 22:42.07 | dTx | SpeedEvil: so do you think that FreeRunner is powerful enough for realtime audio processing? |
| 22:42.16 | SpeedEvil | dTx: easily |
| 22:42.19 | dTx | Without resorting to ASM? |
| 22:42.23 | SpeedEvil | dTx: at least simple. |
| 22:42.34 | MadTBone | SpeedEvil: 3 ADCs?? ... mic in... GSM in.... and ???? .... I only see 2 ADCs on the signal flow... |
| 22:42.53 | MadTBone | dTx: asm? |
| 22:42.56 | SpeedEvil | dTx: You can play mp3 at 10* speed or so - that's plenty of power. |
| 22:42.59 | dTx | assembler sorry |
| 22:43.07 | SpeedEvil | MadTBone: maybe I was thinking of DACs |
| 22:43.18 | MadTBone | dTx: ahh..no prob...should have caught that |
| 22:43.24 | dTx | Isn't there a dedicated ADC for bluetooth? |
| 22:43.36 | dTx | wait |
| 22:43.37 | *** part/#openmoko hansotto (n=hansotto@dslb-088-072-250-212.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 22:43.40 | dTx | that doesn't make sense |
| 22:43.41 | MadTBone | dTx: no...bt is digital signal |
| 22:43.45 | dTx | right |
| 22:43.46 | dTx | :-P |
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| 22:44.08 | MadTBone | dTx: I mean audio is routed to BT digitally...unlike GSM |
| 22:44.38 | dTx | right |
| 22:44.58 | dTx | can it be routed to GSM digitally or does it have to go to an extra DAC step? |
| 22:45.06 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 22:45.08 | SpeedEvil | analog only |
| 22:45.15 | dTx | ooh |
| 22:45.17 | dTx | really? |
| 22:45.25 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 22:45.43 | Zorkman | safire: is it more easy to set up a wireless internet? otherwise i might try that? |
| 22:45.59 | dTx | And that is unchangeable since GSM is on a completely separate SOC right? |
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| 22:46.12 | SpeedEvil | dTx: yes |
| 22:46.21 | SpeedEvil | dTx: It's analog in/out only from the GSM module |
| 22:46.51 | dTx | there is an available DAC hooked up to the GSM input right? |
| 22:47.18 | MadTBone | SpeedEvil and dTx...here's something interesting.... take a look at the signal flow on the wiki page.... |
| 22:47.45 | MadTBone | HiFi DAC module contains "volume" .... |
| 22:48.16 | MadTBone | voice codec does not... they do not connect directly |
| 22:48.17 | mjr | (for the interested party, apparently, at least this was said here last year, a gsm chip accepting digital audio i/o would've cost more) |
| 22:48.18 | dTx | HiFi meaning the headphone jack right? |
| 22:48.22 | safire | Z: no, i think yo'd have the same probs with wireless |
| 22:48.58 | mjr | dTx, you can route audio from a dac to the gsm, sure |
| 22:48.58 | safire | Z: so, on the FR, what does "cat /etc/resolv.conf" give you right now? |
| 22:48.58 | MadTBone | dTx: looks like HiFi can be routed to any of the analog outs |
| 22:49.46 | Zorkman | safire: nameserver 208.67.222.222 |
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| 22:49.49 | dTx | MadTBone: oh so there is one DAC with controllable routing? |
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| 22:50.05 | safire | Z: ok, now "ping 208.67.222.222" |
| 22:50.07 | SpeedEvil | dTx: all the DACs are configurably routed AIUI |
| 22:50.17 | dTx | ~AIUI |
| 22:50.18 | apt | well, aiui is As I Understand It |
| 22:50.20 | dTx | haha |
| 22:50.24 | Zorkman | safire: it does not work |
| 22:50.24 | dTx | ok |
| 22:50.38 | dTx | never seen that one befeore |
| 22:50.40 | dTx | before |
| 22:50.47 | Zorkman | it just hangs, i will have to to ctrl+c |
| 22:50.47 | dTx | s/befeore/before |
| 22:50.47 | safire | Z: ok, then the problem is that your host pc is not routing |
| 22:50.54 | mjr | this also makes the mixer insanely complex, but hey, better than not being able to do stuff... |
| 22:50.55 | walrustown | does anyone have an idea of how much work it would be to make SDL work on the FR? |
| 22:50.56 | dTx | argh |
| 22:50.58 | mjr | I think... |
| 22:51.09 | safire | did you do and iptables commands? |
| 22:51.17 | safire | s/and/any/ |
| 22:51.21 | dTx | walrustown SDL is on there |
| 22:51.22 | Zorkman | yes, several times |
| 22:51.38 | Zorkman | iptables are on host machine, no? |
| 22:51.43 | safire | Z: and "sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" |
| 22:51.51 | safire | Z: yes, this is on host |
| 22:52.00 | walrustown | dTx: whoa it is?? |
| 22:52.30 | dTx | walrustown: yeah you gotta set up mplayer to -ao sdl -vo sdl to work |
| 22:52.33 | SpeedEvil | walrustown: why do you want sdl? |
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| 22:52.44 | MadTBone | dTx: no...looks like all DACs can go to any out... however... looks like the only out from the voice codec bypasses HiFi entirely...goes to dedicated voice DAC |
| 22:52.47 | Zorkman | i did the echo 1 > .... |
| 22:52.47 | dTx | that and I am running Kobodeluxe which I believe requires SDL |
| 22:52.54 | walrustown | SpeedEvil: I'm working on a game |
| 22:52.55 | kd8ikt | hey whats a good kernel for my FR |
| 22:52.57 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 22:53.12 | SuN | Try linux! |
| 22:53.20 | walrustown | where can I browse the list of openmoko packages? |
| 22:53.21 | CVirus | lol |
| 22:53.45 | dTx | opkg list |
| 22:54.01 | walrustown | thx |
| 22:54.02 | balrog-kun | SuN: yea i hear they hacked it to run on the FR |
| 22:54.14 | safire | Z: not sure what to do next -- might try starting from scratch, repeat the iptables commands |
| 22:54.33 | SuN | Yeah, hardhack. |
| 22:54.51 | SuN | I heard it requires a 24-stage bootloader that runs from Windows CE. |
| 22:54.57 | dTx | MadTBone: what is the page that shows the audio routing info? |
| 22:55.20 | dTx | I think I've seen it before, but isn't it just for GTA01? |
| 22:55.21 | walrustown | hmm I don't see any packages with sdl in their name |
| 22:55.26 | MadTBone | dTx: http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem .... but there's an official datasheet for the wolfson |
| 22:55.32 | SirBob1701 | how do you get gpe applications to show up in the menu in the asu? |
| 22:55.46 | edistar | walrustown: you can build sdl with bitbake/OE |
| 22:56.01 | dTx | edistar: is it not included by default? |
| 22:56.11 | dTx | I use mplayer -ao sdl |
| 22:56.15 | MadTBone | dTx: http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/uploads/documents/en/WM8753.pdf |
| 22:56.16 | dTx | and it works |
| 22:56.22 | edistar | dTx: okey |
| 22:56.36 | edistar | libsdl-1.2-0 - 1.2.9-r5 - Simple DirectMedia Layer - X11 Edition |
| 22:56.39 | edistar | that would be it |
| 22:56.46 | edistar | opkg list | grep sdl |
| 22:56.56 | edistar | walrustown: opkg install libsdl-1.2-0 |
| 22:56.56 | MadTBone | dTx: I think it's the same for GTA02, except for extra physical speaker |
| 22:57.27 | walrustown | edistar: thank you. I thought I had done that list command, must have mistyped sdl :) |
| 22:57.40 | Zorkman | safire: I follow http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking and do http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking on the freerunner and get "-sh: nameserver: not found" |
| 22:57.50 | edistar | walrustown: have fun:) beware that sdl is slightly slow.. |
| 22:58.16 | Zorkman | but i looked in my /etc/resolv.conf of host machine and this says it is nameserver 208.67.222.222 |
| 22:58.52 | walrustown | edistar: would you recommend something else for doing game graphics? |
| 22:59.17 | edistar | walrustown: the best-optimized imho would be evas/edje |
| 22:59.25 | safire | Z: yes, until you can ping 208.67.222.222, then that means your PC is blocking (not routing) the packets from your FR out to the world |
| 22:59.31 | walrustown | edistar: wow, never heard of that... google time! |
| 22:59.46 | edistar | walrustown: it's fun, but there aren't many docs.. nor any tutorial |
| 22:59.48 | edistar | ;0 |
| 22:59.49 | edistar | ;) |
| 22:59.55 | edistar | walrustown: do you know enlightenment? |
| 22:59.58 | edistar | (e17) |
| 23:00.17 | safire | got to go, ciao all |
| 23:00.20 | walrustown | edistar: nope |
| 23:00.29 | Zorkman | i need to add gateway 192.168.0.200 to /etc/network/interfaces in the usb0 section how do i do this? |
| 23:00.35 | Zorkman | ok, bye safire, thanks for everything |
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| 23:02.50 | dTx | MadTBone: I'm trying to decipher this schematic I'm really bad with that stuff |
| 23:03.47 | peepsalot | any irc clients built for openmoko yet? |
| 23:04.02 | MadTBone | dTx: I think I'm wrong about voice codec bypassing HiFi... I'm referencing the datasheet now. |
| 23:04.32 | dTx | Isn't there a command line client for libpurple (Pidgin's lib)? |
| 23:04.34 | CVirus | peepsalot: I don't think it would be much of a hassle to run irssi on OM |
| 23:05.08 | CVirus | amsn2 > * |
| 23:05.39 | dTx | amsn2 requires dependence on M$FT |
| 23:05.46 | SirBob1701 | how do you get gpe applications to show up in the menu in the asu? |
| 23:05.46 | dTx | :-P |
| 23:05.48 | CVirus | ! |
| 23:06.12 | peepsalot | i was thinking weechat might be nice. i know people have built it on openwrt |
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| 23:06.40 | dTx | Does it not just use .desktop files? |
| 23:06.43 | dTx | SirBob1701 |
| 23:06.56 | SirBob1701 | dTx: i belive so |
| 23:07.22 | dTx | i haven't tried yet |
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| 23:07.41 | SirBob1701 | gotta figure out where the programs install which is hard cause of no locate ... |
| 23:08.24 | SirBob1701 | can't find a good developers site for the ASu either |
| 23:08.46 | walrustown | SirBob1701: you might do: find / -name 'whatever' |
| 23:08.48 | undrwater | SirBob1701: i think you can unpack an ipk with tar... |
| 23:08.56 | walrustown | SirBob1701: much slower than locate, but better than nothing |
| 23:09.01 | peepsalot | is tangogps supposed to keep the map cache even after power down? |
| 23:09.26 | SpeedEvil | peepsalot: yes |
| 23:09.38 | SpeedEvil | peepsalot: you want to set it up so it's downloading maps to /media/card |
| 23:09.42 | peepsalot | hmm, seemed like mine was cleared somehow |
| 23:11.14 | SpeedEvil | peepsalot: where are you saving them to? |
| 23:11.14 | SpeedEvil | peepsalot: a simple du will tell you if they are tehre |
| 23:12.01 | peepsalot | oh, looks like it's set to /tmp/Maps/OSM |
| 23:12.11 | dTx | MadTBone: I wish you could install sox on this thing |
| 23:12.18 | dTx | would be easier to play with audio settings then |
| 23:12.18 | peepsalot | i don't have a sd card cause gps won't work with it |
| 23:12.20 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.28 | SpeedEvil | peepsalot: ah |
| 23:12.29 | undrwater | i would imagine so |
| 23:12.38 | peepsalot | yeah, figures, i'll just wait |
| 23:12.48 | peepsalot | i'm also waiting on an 8gb card to come in |
| 23:13.00 | dTx | peepsalot: gps does work with it, it just takes a long time for it to do a cold acquire I believe |
| 23:13.08 | dTx | I use my GPS func |
| 23:13.37 | MadTBone | dTx: yeah...but then you would be doing everything through soc....looking at wolfon datasheet .... it's quite capable |
| 23:13.39 | undrwater | anyone tried cups? |
| 23:13.41 | peepsalot | well, i don't feel like standing outside for prolonged periods in the middle of summer |
| 23:14.22 | dTx | Warm start is a lot faster |
| 23:14.32 | dTx | like maybe 20 seconds |
| 23:14.54 | peepsalot | is there an available kernel with the fix applied? |
| 23:15.06 | peepsalot | available as in I don't have to compile it myself |
| 23:15.07 | dTx | MadTBone: I'm just wondering if the 850 version has something hooked up wrong |
| 23:15.42 | MadTBone | dTx: you mean 850MHz GSM model? |
| 23:15.47 | dTx | yeah |
| 23:15.49 | peepsalot | dTx, what classifies as a warm start |
| 23:16.18 | MadTBone | dTx: are others not seeing the same behavior as we are? |
| 23:16.33 | dTx | peepsalot: it saves your last coordinates and uses that to speed things along subsequent times |
| 23:16.36 | dTx | I believe |
| 23:16.42 | SpeedEvil | dTx: and satellite orbits |
| 23:16.43 | dTx | MadTBone: I don't know |
| 23:17.19 | dTx | SpeedEvil: yeah, all I know is it is a lot faster subsequently ;-) |
| 23:17.32 | MadTBone | anyone here have a 900MHz model? |
| 23:17.36 | peepsalot | dTx, if i have to power down and then back on again, that is a cold start, no? |
| 23:17.55 | SpeedEvil | peepsalot: cold start is if you throw all information away |
| 23:17.57 | SpeedEvil | peepsalot: so no |
| 23:18.16 | dTx | MadTBone: I have asked on here before if anyone had to adjust their mixer settings for the other side to be able to hear them, and most people said they didn't while I have had to |
| 23:18.16 | SpeedEvil | peepsalot: you get a big gain even if you've last been 'connevcted' a week ago. |
| 23:18.18 | peepsalot | where is the info stored? what would cause a cold start? |
| 23:18.47 | SpeedEvil | peepsalot: Oh - I'm unsure if anything actually uploads the warm start info though, so I may be misleading. |
| 23:18.51 | MadTBone | dTx: had to adjust for speakerphone? or for normal phone? |
| 23:18.51 | kd8ikt | for the life of me i cant figure out where that sneaky matchbox lock screen wallpaper isgit i broke wpa_supplicant |
| 23:19.10 | peepsalot | what? why is everyone using these terms, but they can't seem to define them |
| 23:19.30 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 23:19.30 | dTx | MadTBone: I had to adjust mic2 for the other side to even be able to hear me |
| 23:20.03 | MadTBone | dTx: ahh...I haven't had that problem... just low speaker output on the speakerphone |
| 23:20.11 | dTx | :-( |
| 23:20.23 | dTx | I know of several other that did have that problem |
| 23:20.38 | MadTBone | dTx: yeah... I've seen info on it in the wiki |
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| 23:20.49 | dTx | but low speaker output is also a problem here |
| 23:21.01 | ko_dez | dTx: I have to move mic2 to max as well to be able to use the phone to call someone. |
| 23:21.10 | dTx | yeah |
| 23:21.23 | dTx | ko_dez: You running an 850MHz model? |
| 23:21.25 | ko_dez | dTx: you can set it as default, so you don't have to do it every time |
| 23:21.30 | ko_dez | dTx: nope, 900 |
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| 23:21.48 | dTx | Is FIC manufacturing defects high or something? |
| 23:22.08 | dTx | While I like the idea of supporting an open phone I also want it to work |
| 23:22.24 | MadTBone | dTx: well..according to wolfson datasheet, mic level at 0 is 12dB gain ... mic level at 100 is 30dB gain |
| 23:23.10 | dTx | ko_dez: yeah, already did that |
| 23:23.12 | MadTBone | dTx: and there are 3 steps in between @ 6dB each |
| 23:23.15 | ko_dez | dTx: Yeah. Use the qtopia framebuffer image, and set the default mic2 level for handset to be max (3 i believe it is). Then it is semi usable as a phone. |
| 23:23.37 | ko_dez | dTx: The other end hears a lot of echo though. |
| 23:23.43 | dTx | ko_dez: thats what I did except for qtopia |
| 23:24.54 | dTx | MadTBone: this is Mic2 though it isn't even going through the ADC process right? Since it goes straight to GSM module which requires analog input |
| 23:25.00 | ko_dez | dTx: I have a full day battery time if I use the phone as a phone and not a toy =) And it works quite well. Need to get used to the imput methods though, and missing a norwegian dictionary is not helping. My friends are getting tired of text messages in english =) |
| 23:25.28 | dTx | hahaha |
| 23:25.29 | SirBob1701 | is ASU as of now suppose to be able to run GPE applications |
| 23:25.40 | dTx | ko_dez: yeah T9 support is lacking :-P |
| 23:26.06 | MadTBone | dTx: no. all audio goes through wolfson |
| 23:26.14 | ko_dez | the placement of the microphone is very stupid I think. Why put it a place where all the surrounding sounds will get to really easily as well? |
| 23:26.35 | MadTBone | dTx: mics and spkrs are hooked directly to wolfson (or so it appears) |
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| 23:27.19 | ko_dez | dTx: The qtopia has a T9 like feature on their keyboard. They guess that you are using your thumbs, and has a fuzzy logic thing that can assume that you meant to press a button in that area. Works really well I think. |
| 23:27.54 | jeffszusz | hates T9 |
| 23:28.01 | SirBob1701 | ya it does. I want to see the code for that ko_dez |
| 23:28.05 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 23:28.28 | dTx | SirBob1701: Its all right there |
| 23:28.42 | ko_dez | I like it though. After a little practice, I can write messages really quick. In english until I get a norwegian dictionary of course =) |
| 23:29.06 | ko_dez | jeffszusz: then disable it =) |
| 23:29.10 | dTx | MadTBone: yeah, just for the amps I guess |
| 23:30.11 | SirBob1701 | dTx: true just gotta dl it :D i so need to get my dev enviroment up for this haha |
| 23:30.47 | dTx | SirBob1701: me too, right now I only have 10 GB free unfortunately |
| 23:31.11 | SirBob1701 | dTx: i have like 600gb free lol |
| 23:32.11 | dTx | SirBob1701: Well, if I bastardized work resources I'd have approx. 12TB, but I try to keep work / home separate ;-) |
| 23:32.45 | SirBob1701 | hey i bought all mine myself haha |
| 23:32.48 | SirBob1701 | yesh |
| 23:33.39 | walrustown | Is there any way to install openmoko packages into the openmoko toolchain? |
| 23:33.57 | dTx | bitbake -b package |
| 23:34.01 | dTx | correct? |
| 23:34.19 | walrustown | ok sounds like I need to get OE set up |
| 23:34.28 | dTx | yea |
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| 23:36.45 | peepsalot | yarg this matchbox keyboar dis buggy. can't type underscore |
| 23:37.14 | peepsalot | it writes a slash instead |
| 23:37.50 | balrog-kun | must be a virus |
| 23:38.15 | peepsalot | um, right |
| 23:39.34 | peepsalot | anyone know where to find the config files for matchbox keyboard? |
| 23:40.08 | dTx | MadTBone: so why is the gsmhandset.state file completely different from this: http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/neo1973/gsmhandset.state |
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| 23:41.04 | safire | Zorkman: make any progress? |
| 23:42.34 | ikjh | Where are you supposed to send patches? devel mailing list? |
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| 23:43.31 | safire | just switch to ASU - first attempt at a call out didn't seem to work, might be signal issues. I started logread -f, then relaunched dialer, now the '7' key gives '{', '8' -> '[' and '9' -> ']', is this a bug or some shift mode? |
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| 23:45.19 | peepsalot | kd8ikt, not sure if you found this already, but since I think you were asking about it yesterday, you can calibrate the screen with ts_calibrate |
| 23:45.25 | peepsalot | should be already installed |
| 23:45.57 | peepsalot | i had trouble typing underscore, so I started it from ssh session on desktop |
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| 23:50.10 | linuxxr | so i need to upgrade dropbear first? |
| 23:54.57 | kd8ikt | oh yea? i'll look into that peepsalot |
| 23:55.01 | Maniac` | hello people, i'm working on design of device that acquises sound with microphone, then through ADC to CPU, and I want to visualize sound like in those Winamp plugins, is there any free source programs that allow process such task? |
| 23:55.21 | SpeedEvil | xspectrum |
| 23:55.25 | kd8ikt | i was fartin around with the window manager lastnight |
| 23:55.36 | SpeedEvil | Or is it xspec |
| 23:55.48 | kd8ikt | http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2 |
| 23:56.00 | kd8ikt | shows how to customize the ui a lil |
| 23:56.00 | Maniac` | SpeedEvil for linux ? |
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| 23:56.08 | kd8ikt | like wallpaper |
| 23:57.04 | SpeedEvil | Maniac`: also - xmms has plugins, probably audacity too. |
| 23:57.17 | SpeedEvil | http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/XSpectrum/ |
| 23:58.18 | SpeedEvil | flaushy: spice is probably a good plan. |
| 23:58.20 | SpeedEvil | oops |
