| 00:00.43 | mmontour | thomasg: out of curiosity, why does EABI remove the possibility for float performance improvements? |
| 00:00.48 | Infinyte | >_> Right.. But it says : ./dfu-util -a (partion name) -R -D (download image file name) |
| 00:00.49 | Infinyte | Maybe I should follow along with the guide instead of reading the whole thing before even getting started? Kekeke |
| 00:01.17 | mmontour | -a is either "kernel" or "rootfs" depending on which you're flashing |
| 00:01.22 | thomasg | mmontour, it doesn't - but if the used oabi there would have been the chance to switch to eabi and get it's softfloat improvments :) |
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| 00:01.34 | Infinyte | Ahh. Makes sense. |
| 00:01.40 | mmontour | ah. The low-hanging fruit has already been picked. |
| 00:03.24 | kd8ikt | hope i dont kill it running opkg upgrade |
| 00:04.00 | kd8ikt | video froze but my ssh shell is going strong so its all gravy |
| 00:04.10 | thomasg | mmontour, it just killed all my hopes :) |
| 00:04.13 | kd8ikt | i am in love |
| 00:04.42 | kd8ikt | i finnaly know what kinda tattoo i want... the openmoko symbol |
| 00:05.07 | gmaxwell | oohhh.. qtopia pretty. |
| 00:05.44 | thewtex_ | should the film that comes on the screen be taken off or left on? |
| 00:06.26 | SpeedEvil | thewtex_: leave it on till you replace it with a screen protector. |
| 00:06.28 | thewtex_ | It was not registering my touches correctly, but i did turn the screen |
| 00:06.30 | gmaxwell | okay.. qtopia cool |
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| 00:06.40 | thewtex_ | SpeedEvil: thanks dude |
| 00:06.49 | SpeedEvil | thewtex_: or remove it and be careful. It's just a bit of plastic |
| 00:07.25 | toggles | SpeedEvil: you have a line on a protector? |
| 00:07.35 | toggles | i was wondering where to get one |
| 00:07.52 | thewtex_ | wow the screen is gorgeous |
| 00:08.12 | thewtex_ | and the black color is tight |
| 00:08.17 | thewtex_ | love the black |
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| 00:09.30 | peepsalot | thewtex_, there is a bug with the touchscreen if you have it in landscape mode |
| 00:09.43 | peepsalot | all touches register way too far to the left |
| 00:09.44 | cjb | guh, the saga continues |
| 00:09.51 | cjb | I went to the AT&T store and found a geeky guy to help me |
| 00:10.02 | cjb | all of the SIMs they have are of the not working variety |
| 00:10.20 | chillywilly | Collected errors: * Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libehal0_0.1.0.042+cvs20080716-r5.02_armv4t.ipk, error 404 |
| 00:10.21 | cjb | so it's basically not possible to use the FR with AT&T in the US without getting a SIM on ebay and persuading them to transfer your account over somehow |
| 00:10.34 | chillywilly | that's what I get when I run 'opkg -test upgrade' |
| 00:10.49 | gmaxwell | okay.. the qtopia kbd is neat. .. but how do I enter things like space enter and - ? |
| 00:10.52 | peepsalot | how can i have multiple images to boot from simultaneously? |
| 00:10.52 | MadTBone | cjb: NOT TRUE! |
| 00:11.03 | chillywilly | my WIM worked out of the box |
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| 00:11.06 | chillywilly | SIM* |
| 00:11.13 | MadTBone | I have AT&T and it works fine with my freerunner |
| 00:11.17 | thewtex_ | thx peepsalot |
| 00:11.21 | chillywilly | too |
| 00:11.29 | cjb | what model SIMs do you have? |
| 00:11.33 | lpotter | gmaxwell: the black keyboarrd? |
| 00:11.41 | chillywilly | no idea ;P |
| 00:11.42 | MadTBone | cjb: 3g...it's relatively new. |
| 00:11.52 | cjb | I guess I should restate as "all the SIMs that the friendly dude at the AT&T store was willing to let me try didn't work" |
| 00:11.54 | cjb | MadTBone: me too |
| 00:11.57 | chillywilly | does not have a 3g sim |
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| 00:12.15 | gmaxwell | lpotter, Yes.. with the zoom letters |
| 00:12.18 | cjb | MadTBone: it has a model number on it.. some of them work, and some of them don't, and only the model numbers that don't work were at the store |
| 00:12.45 | toggles | nice.. the opkg upgrade bricked my phone... ;-) |
| 00:12.56 | MadTBone | cjb: ahh...mine worked with no probs...let me check my model num.... |
| 00:13.01 | chillywilly | impossible |
| 00:13.07 | chillywilly | reflash it ;P |
| 00:13.12 | AntonTakk | toggles: bricked, or just made it need reflashing? |
| 00:13.22 | cjb | MadTBone: it's the four digits + one letter on the front |
| 00:13.24 | chillywilly | you can't brick it unless you fsck the nor flsh up with the debug board, AFAIK |
| 00:13.42 | chillywilly | and even then you can fix it |
| 00:13.45 | toggles | reflash.. |
| 00:14.15 | MadTBone | cjb: by front, do you mean side w/ contacts? |
| 00:14.25 | AntonTakk | chillywilly: so the only way to truely brick it would be to physically damage the pcb? |
| 00:14.25 | cjb | hm, I forget which |
| 00:14.56 | igor321 | people use the term "brick" way too liberally these days ;) |
| 00:15.04 | MadTBone | cjb: I have 71234G ... then underneath that3022 |
| 00:15.23 | chillywilly | how about h0rked ;P |
| 00:15.28 | cjb | MadTBone: that's the type I just picked up -- sounds like some work and some don't. :/ |
| 00:15.50 | AntonTakk | any of you know how to add ringtones to asu? or how to set the default ring tone? |
| 00:16.04 | cjb | actually, the wiki already says that some work and some don't for that type: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT |
| 00:16.33 | lpotter | gmaxwell: slide your finger down to change caps/symbols |
| 00:17.02 | chillywilly | gmaxwell: qtopia has help docs :) |
| 00:17.06 | lpotter | hold you finger on one to soecofy that and not try to guess |
| 00:17.07 | MadTBone | cjb: might it have something to do with having the sim in another phone, registered on the network, prior to being in the GTA02? |
| 00:17.29 | chillywilly | lpotter: you guys should make the keyboard as wide as possible ;P |
| 00:17.41 | chillywilly | use as much realestate as you can :) |
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| 00:18.27 | cjb | MadTBone: doesn't seem to; I have another phone here that I tried it in. But I'll try that again, and try reseating it some more. |
| 00:18.33 | cjb | (The error is "registration denied".) |
| 00:19.04 | cjb | the bug on it says that Texas Instruments gave OM a GSM firmware that doesn't support lots of 3G cards |
| 00:19.52 | lpotter | chillywilly: doesnt need to be as it can tell relatively where your finger is |
| 00:20.08 | lpotter | i.e. jus thave to be close |
| 00:20.17 | lpotter | it was designed for fingertouch |
| 00:20.48 | chillywilly | lpotter: sure but using more realestate makes it easier to use, IMHO |
| 00:20.49 | mmontour | cjb: if you're talking about #666, make sure that you check the timestamps on the comments. The original firmware problem was fixed during the GTA01 days. |
| 00:21.06 | chillywilly | lpotter: it's pretty sweet though |
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| 00:21.38 | lpotter | apparenly, opkg update fails a signature check... |
| 00:21.51 | chillywilly | yes |
| 00:22.03 | lpotter | chillywilly: but th eneo has deep bevels and some fingers are big and fat |
| 00:22.06 | peepsalot | i'm confused about flashing the images on here. does each image have a corresponding kernel or can the same kernel run these different ones? |
| 00:22.09 | cjb | mmontour: I don't think it was fixed, though. |
| 00:22.35 | mmontour | The Freerunner problems may be any or all of: mechanical (different SIM holder), electrical (some suggestions that 1.8V SIMs are affected but 2.9V are OK), or firmware |
| 00:22.36 | cjb | I mean, it clearly wasn't fixed. The bug is "some 3G SIMs don't work", and the current behavior is "some 3G SIMs don't work". |
| 00:22.48 | chillywilly | lpotter: seems I get a 404 on some package when I ran 'opkg -test upgrade' |
| 00:23.02 | SpeedEvil | cjb: it mauy have been fixed for a subset of the broken SIMs. |
| 00:23.02 | chillywilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.12 | chillywilly | loads the url... |
| 00:23.19 | cjb | SpeedEvil: maybe, but the bug wasn't marked fixed, and there's no mention of that firmware actually being shipped. |
| 00:23.32 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 00:23.39 | chillywilly | anyone else geting this 404 when running an upgrade? |
| 00:23.49 | chillywilly | the file is definitely not on the webserver |
| 00:24.39 | mmontour | cjb: Michael Shiloh had the fixed firmware for GTA01 and would upgrade your phone if you mailed it to him. |
| 00:24.56 | gmaxwell | oh this is exceptionally lame.. Qtopia mediaplayer doesn't appear to play Vorbis files. wtf. |
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| 00:25.16 | chillywilly | bah |
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| 00:25.28 | AntonTakk | any media players that look decent in asu? |
| 00:25.41 | chillywilly | does qtopia run X? |
| 00:25.58 | lpotter | it should play audio ogg |
| 00:26.05 | gmaxwell | chillywilly, No, I told you this before. |
| 00:26.05 | chillywilly | or are you stuck with apps built specifically for it? |
| 00:26.17 | chillywilly | gmaxwell: relax |
| 00:26.22 | gmaxwell | lpotter, Odd. S'not. |
| 00:27.05 | gmaxwell | chillywilly, sorry, Didn't intend to come off that way.. and actually I told infinyte, not you. :) |
| 00:27.26 | chillywilly | ok well that's one minus then |
| 00:27.40 | chillywilly | it seems to take longer to start up to me |
| 00:27.42 | gmaxwell | chillywilly, ASU ports qtopia to X. |
| 00:27.45 | chillywilly | bu it runs quicker |
| 00:27.51 | chillywilly | ic |
| 00:28.03 | gmaxwell | whats the wifi app in qtopia that was previously mentioned? |
| 00:28.10 | chillywilly | um |
| 00:28.20 | chillywilly | main menu -> settings -> internet |
| 00:28.23 | mmontour | chillywilly: there's a "cvs20080717" of that file on buildhost now. |
| 00:28.33 | chillywilly | has to fix his openwrt install before he can really try |
| 00:29.05 | chillywilly | mmontour: well this image wants to reference something that doesn't exist I guess |
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| 00:29.37 | mmontour | try another update, or wait a while for the system to sort itself out, I guess |
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| 00:29.54 | cjb | ooh holy crap it worked |
| 00:30.00 | budfive | the sim? |
| 00:30.04 | gmaxwell | I have to say. .. icons in qtopia are a little confusing |
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| 00:30.07 | cjb | yeah |
| 00:30.12 | cjb | after not working for a long time first |
| 00:30.14 | budfive | tell me |
| 00:30.15 | budfive | which sim? |
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| 00:30.19 | cjb | so I dunno if I'm gonna be able to reproduce |
| 00:30.21 | cjb | 71234 G |
| 00:30.26 | budfive | att? |
| 00:30.33 | cjb | yes |
| 00:30.36 | freerunnin | anyone know how to disable eth0? My battery life blows |
| 00:30.47 | freerunnin | qtopia |
| 00:30.52 | alphabeat | ifdown eth0 ? |
| 00:31.00 | budfive | i've a nonfunctional 71234g/3022 |
| 00:31.00 | freerunnin | it says "not configured" or something |
| 00:31.05 | budfive | is this what you have? |
| 00:31.45 | freerunnin | budfive, cjb, did you guys trying fiddling with the location of the SIM card? I have a 7300g and it doesn't register unless it's in the exact right place |
| 00:31.55 | freerunnin | the contacts don't match well |
| 00:31.57 | cjb | freerunnin: yes |
| 00:32.02 | cjb | freerunnin: that might be it |
| 00:32.20 | budfive | can you explain what you mean? i've looked closely. 6 of the 8 pins are dead center on the pads |
| 00:32.29 | budfive | the other two don't do anything, as far as i can tell |
| 00:32.36 | cjb | budfive: I swapped for a "d", which has sort of worked once |
| 00:32.53 | mmontour | budfive: where do the other two make contact? Any chance they are shorting out to something else? |
| 00:33.06 | freerunnin | budfive, i just locked the SIM down normally in the correct position then used my fingernail to nudge it around a little bit. I nudged it VERY slightly down and it works |
| 00:33.11 | budfive | in fact i've another phone that doesn't even have the extra two pins. Blocking these extra pins on the freerunner didn't change anything, which makes me believe even more that there are a red herring |
| 00:33.27 | mmontour | My GTA01 and my Nokia 3500 only have 6 pins so I don't know why they're even there on the Freerunner |
| 00:33.49 | budfive | i'm 99% sure the extra two pins are irrelevant |
| 00:33.52 | freerunnin | they could be there for future revisions? or maybe older sims |
| 00:33.56 | freerunnin | who knows |
| 00:34.04 | chillywilly | and I'm free.....freeee....ruuuuuuniiin' |
| 00:34.08 | freerunnin | haha |
| 00:34.23 | budfive | sim cards are part of a larger smartcard standard. some other smartcard devices use the extra pins. |
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| 00:34.33 | mmontour | Is it an issue with the holder not applying enough pressure for some of the pins to make contact, rather than where they are centered? |
| 00:34.56 | budfive | cjb, were you trying something different when it began to work, or was it random luck? |
| 00:35.00 | gmaxwell | mmontour, if so, slipping in some paper might help. |
| 00:35.09 | MadTBone | did gps software fix make it into latest daily? |
| 00:35.36 | cjb | budfive: random |
| 00:35.50 | budfive | cjb: great :) |
| 00:36.01 | cjb | budfive: as long as it keeps working.. :) |
| 00:36.07 | budfive | cjb, where are you? |
| 00:36.10 | cjb | Boston, MA |
| 00:36.23 | mmontour | I saw one picture that showed distinct marks on the contact pads on one side of the SIM but not on the other. Can't remember where I saw it though (wiki/ML/?) |
| 00:36.50 | cjb | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Carriers/ATT |
| 00:37.07 | budfive | cjb, somebody on the wiki claims that an att store in santa monica gave him a 71234(O)/4022 that works. The Pasadena store gave me the 3022, that doesn't work |
| 00:37.22 | freerunnin | i think I saw something on trac, let me find it |
| 00:37.24 | budfive | so it seems like it may be worth it to call different att stores |
| 00:37.25 | cjb | sounds like: |
| 00:37.28 | cjb | * the FR has 8 pins |
| 00:37.33 | cjb | * the SIM has 6 pins |
| 00:37.37 | budfive | also a 4022 can be had on ebay for $4 |
| 00:37.46 | cjb | * the last two FR pins stop the 6 SIM pins from connecting |
| 00:37.47 | gmaxwell | heh what do the stores say when you ask for sims with certain codes? |
| 00:37.54 | cjb | someone hacked their FR to have less pins :( |
| 00:38.05 | cjb | oh, not quite |
| 00:38.09 | cjb | they twisted the pins a little |
| 00:38.11 | cjb | to connect with the SIM |
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| 00:38.29 | cjb | .. and it didn't work |
| 00:38.34 | freerunnin | cjb, budfive, did you see this? towards the bottom someone posted some pics: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/666 |
| 00:40.22 | budfive | well, hold on. do any of you see any misalignment of the 6 "normal" pins? |
| 00:40.30 | budfive | or is it only the extra 2 |
| 00:40.30 | budfive | ? |
| 00:40.38 | cjb | I didn't look |
| 00:40.41 | cjb | and now I'm scared to :) |
| 00:40.45 | budfive | my 6 are dead center |
| 00:40.55 | gmaxwell | how can you even tell how it's aligned? xray? ;) |
| 00:41.12 | cjb | > I've just noticed, my Cingular branded 3G sim (7300G 3021) will not work if it's seated correctly; but will work, and can be locked into place, seated slight off. If I push the sim a little bit in the direction of the notch, it seems to work. |
| 00:41.22 | budfive | put tape over the contacts, and insert the sim. then you can see the dimples in the tape |
| 00:41.43 | AntonTakk | cjb: i had to do that too |
| 00:41.50 | AntonTakk | except mine is tmobile |
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| 00:42.14 | budfive | so some people are consistently seeing their sim work when seated improperly and not work when seated properly? |
| 00:42.22 | budfive | it's not random? |
| 00:42.24 | freerunnin | budfive, yes for me |
| 00:42.45 | budfive | ok. can you please do the tape test i described above to see where the pins are impacting? |
| 00:42.49 | freerunnin | although it's pretty annoying to have to get that "sweet spot" |
| 00:43.06 | budfive | man, i wish the openmoko schematics were open. grumble |
| 00:43.16 | AntonTakk | freerunnin: i got mine in place and left it there :) |
| 00:43.59 | freerunnin | haha, yeah same here. |
| 00:44.02 | mmontour | budfive: they've been quite good about answering specific questions about the schematics. |
| 00:44.15 | kelvie_work | around how many bb packages are built in the ASU image? |
| 00:44.23 | kelvie_work | I can see that there's 5400 tasks |
| 00:44.38 | budfive | who do i ask? |
| 00:44.39 | kelvie_work | s/there's/there are/ |
| 00:44.54 | budfive | i want to know what if anything the extra pins do |
| 00:44.56 | kelvie_work | good to see the regex engine still works |
| 00:44.57 | freerunnin | budfive, can't find any tape around here! sorry man. If you'll be around 1pm-4pm (US central time) i'll be at work where I can try it |
| 00:45.15 | gmaxwell | budfive, interface for the mind-ray programmer. |
| 00:45.22 | freerunnin | ha |
| 00:45.31 | kelvie_work | s/ere/ar/ |
| 00:45.42 | kelvie_work | aw |
| 00:45.47 | budfive | ok. i'll leave irc on, and read the log |
| 00:47.02 | budfive | http://pinouts.ru/Memory/SmartCardIso_pinout.shtml |
| 00:47.08 | budfive | extra pins aren't supposed to do anything |
| 00:48.25 | freerunnin | that doesn't make much sense, why would they go through the trouble of manufacturing those extra pins in? |
| 00:48.33 | freerunnin | not that I don't believe you, I'm just curious |
| 00:48.48 | AntonTakk | "Reserved for future use" |
| 00:48.50 | AntonTakk | ? |
| 00:49.27 | budfive | and i bet some other smartcard devices use these; just not sim cards. and the freerunner uses a general smartcard connector |
| 00:50.54 | mmontour | budfive: you could probably ask jOERG_rw (not sure who else here has access to schematics - maybe roh?) |
| 00:51.15 | SpeedEvil | roh does |
| 00:51.22 | peepsalot | how do I set up a bootable image on microSD? |
| 00:52.11 | budfive | ok. does anybody know the why the schematics aren't open? does fic own them? what's the deal? |
| 00:52.30 | SpeedEvil | Fundamentally, anyone could take them and make a batch of a thousand. |
| 00:52.40 | jOERG_rw | budfive: there's issues with IP of chips we are using |
| 00:52.41 | gmaxwell | Other open hardware folks haven't had issues with that.... |
| 00:52.43 | SpeedEvil | Without having any of that nasty development work to do. |
| 00:53.05 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: openmoko is intended as a software/hardware company though. |
| 00:53.06 | gmaxwell | Elphel and USRP schematics are available (and the elphel ones are very complete) and yet no one has bothered doing a production run. |
| 00:53.11 | budfive | ok. so only openmoko employees have access? |
| 00:53.24 | budfive | or people who signed an nda? |
| 00:53.28 | jOERG_rw | ATM yes |
| 00:53.35 | jOERG_rw | as well |
| 00:53.38 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: if someone copies their hardware, there is no money to dev software. |
| 00:53.45 | budfive | thanks |
| 00:54.21 | gmaxwell | SpeedEvil, the scaling issue prevents small scale copying.. goodwill should preserve income in the case of larger scale copying. |
| 00:54.22 | jOERG_rw | we're sorting things out on this. maybe we can be more open in future |
| 00:54.43 | gmaxwell | Probably the bigger risk is that someone makes an improved copy (faster SOC or something) .. that might be a bit messier. |
| 00:54.47 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: small scale - sure. |
| 00:54.57 | kelvie_work | make the specs GPL :p |
| 00:55.05 | kelvie_work | er schematics |
| 00:55.15 | kelvie_work | this way if they are better.. we can use them |
| 00:55.19 | AntonTakk | imho, om is already amazingly open, especially for a cell phone manufacturer |
| 00:55.26 | gmaxwell | There is precedent for this, in any case: http://www3.elphel.com/ |
| 00:55.28 | mmontour | jOERG_rw: can you tell us about the two extra pins on the Freeruner SIM holder? Are they N/C, connected to ground, or ??? |
| 00:55.45 | jOERG_rw | SpeedEvil: china copies everything they think is worth the effort. They don't need our schem to do so ;-) |
| 00:55.52 | budfive | is there any really sensitive IP in there? in theory, i can ask any question and you're not legally prevented from answering, right? |
| 00:55.57 | Dave | Joerg :D |
| 00:56.07 | jOERG_rw | moment please, have a look |
| 00:57.00 | gmaxwell | http://wiki.elphel.com/index.php?title=10353 < notice links to complete schematics and gerber files. |
| 00:57.22 | jOERG_rw | we have 8 contacts at sim-socket IIRC. all of them are connected |
| 00:57.30 | Dave | I've been reading the hardware mailing list for a couple hours today :) |
| 00:57.38 | gmaxwell | I also enjoy the COGs spreadsheet with the complete parts costs. :) |
| 00:57.55 | Dave | Is there a microsd gps software patch available yet? :] |
| 00:58.13 | budfive | joerg: every single other cell phone i've ever seen only has 6 pins, and a pinout i've found on the next claims the extra two pins are not connected on the sim |
| 00:58.54 | bricode | I would think that they have good reason for not releasing the schematics yet. |
| 00:58.54 | jOERG_rw | well dunno. I see 8 contacts in my schem, all of tthem used |
| 00:59.21 | budfive | you didn't design it, i take it? |
| 00:59.46 | budfive | can you see what the two pins on the long side with the notch do? |
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| 01:00.17 | budfive | these pins are missing from other cell phones, and impact between the pads on the sim, instead in the middle |
| 01:00.18 | jOERG_rw | budfive: nah, joined OM 3months ago! :-D |
| 01:00.24 | budfive | :) |
| 01:00.33 | mmontour | GTA01 only had 6. http://gsmserver.com/pinout/sim.php and http://pinouts.ru/Memory/SmartCardIso_pinout.shtml also only show 6 used. |
| 01:01.57 | jOERG_rw | moment please, have a look |
| 01:02.22 | budfive | the freerunner shorts Vcc to Vpp for some reason, while a different phone i've tried does not |
| 01:02.28 | budfive | blocking out vpp doesn't fix it |
| 01:03.09 | safire | g'evening freerunners |
| 01:03.19 | chillywilly | and I'm free.....freeee....ruuuuuuniiin' |
| 01:03.20 | jOERG_rw | ah, sorry everybody |
| 01:03.31 | jOERG_rw | was looking at sim, not sd |
| 01:03.41 | budfive | we're talking about sim |
| 01:04.19 | jOERG_rw | so for sim I was correct |
| 01:04.34 | jOERG_rw | even GTA01 has EIGHT contacts iin schem |
| 01:04.56 | jOERG_rw | nah, error again |
| 01:05.00 | jOERG_rw | reboot |
| 01:05.11 | safire | getting some messages in /var/log/messages that look a little disturbing: "Bad block table found..." and "CRCFAIL 0x1a3f" |
| 01:05.14 | jOERG_rw | sd has 8 contacts |
| 01:05.16 | safire | anything to worry about? |
| 01:05.38 | jOERG_rw | sim has 6 contacts used on GTA01 and 02 |
| 01:06.00 | budfive | ok, so gta02 only uses 6 of 8 sim pads? |
| 01:06.14 | budfive | also, can you confirm that vcc is shorted to vpp (pins 1 and 5)? |
| 01:06.15 | jOERG_rw | budfive: yep |
| 01:06.33 | rivalarrival | safire: I've been meaning to ask about that too... I saw something about that in QEMU, and during boot with two different images. |
| 01:06.50 | jOERG_rw | budfive: nope. C5 is on GND |
| 01:07.01 | jOERG_rw | C4, C8 NC |
| 01:08.21 | safire | i was curious because nothing is very stable, got an AT&T 3G sim, it registers but can't successfully make a call out - it dials, but then the dialer crashes. Once the call got connected enough to my other cell to see the phone number, but that's about it |
| 01:09.53 | mmontour | jOERG_rw: Are those numbered as shown on http://pinouts.ru/connector/8_pin_SMARTCARD_special_connector.shtml ? |
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| 01:10.30 | jOERG_rw | no idea. just see the schem here |
| 01:10.54 | jOERG_rw | usually numbering is consistent over manufacturers |
| 01:11.02 | mmontour | I think your "C4" is "7" and your "C5" is "4" |
| 01:11.11 | budfive | there's some numbering discrepancy |
| 01:11.28 | budfive | as shown in http://pinouts.ru/Memory/SmartCardIso_pinout.shtml |
| 01:11.40 | budfive | i'm seeing 1 and 5 shorted on my freerunner (tested with a meter) |
| 01:12.04 | budfive | and 7,8 are the extra pins (not appearing in other phones) |
| 01:12.17 | budfive | 7,8 also impact between several pads (all of which could be unused) |
| 01:12.39 | mmontour | That would be C1 and C6 in jOERG_rw's notation if I am correct (the shorted VCC/VPP) |
| 01:13.03 | budfive | for what it's worth, my other phone doesn't short vcc to vpp. blocking out vpp with tape didn't change anything, though |
| 01:14.49 | jOERG_rw | budfive: that's 1 + 6 that are shorted in schem |
| 01:15.08 | jOERG_rw | this is V_SIM |
| 01:15.13 | jOERG_rw | aka VDD |
| 01:15.43 | safire | is it possible to run the openmoko-dialer from an ssh session? can't seem to find what display to send it to |
| 01:16.32 | Dave | Joerg :) |
| 01:16.43 | jOERG_rw | In gta02 what you call VPP is named SIM_MCLK |
| 01:16.57 | jOERG_rw | Dave: ;-) |
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| 01:17.04 | cjb | I rebooted without opening the case, didn't seem to register this time :/ |
| 01:17.06 | Dave | only 3 months!? |
| 01:17.07 | thewtex | my phone is froze |
| 01:17.15 | thewtex | now what? |
| 01:17.22 | jOERG_rw | Dave: yep |
| 01:17.23 | budfive | joerg: ok... and sim_mclk is shorted to vdd? |
| 01:17.27 | Iinfinyte | Erm, is it bad if you get this message?: dfu_download error -110 |
| 01:17.31 | jOERG_rw | budfive: yep |
| 01:17.32 | Dave | Joerg, I read everything from the hardware ml since april today :D |
| 01:17.39 | Dave | got caught up on everything |
| 01:17.53 | Dave | and really enjoyed reading your insightful posts :D |
| 01:18.06 | jOERG_rw | Dave: [hw] has low trafffic |
| 01:18.18 | Dave | Though a number of hardware issues still concern me |
| 01:18.28 | budfive | joerg: does it make sense that this clock signal is held at vdd? or it's not obvious? |
| 01:18.32 | jOERG_rw | Dave: welcome to the club |
| 01:18.35 | mmontour | The SIM pinout page that I'm looking at names them (in jOERG_rw's order): VCC, RESET, CLOCK, NC, GND, VPP, I/O, NC |
| 01:19.25 | jOERG_rw | budfive: dunno spec of simcard |
| 01:19.43 | budfive | joerg: ok. let me try some random stuff |
| 01:19.45 | Iinfinyte | Also, how do you know what new uBoot to use/or should you just not update uBoot at all? |
| 01:20.00 | jOERG_rw | budfive: like? |
| 01:20.10 | cjb | yay! had my first call. quality apparently okay :) |
| 01:20.11 | Dave | :D |
| 01:20.13 | cjb | happy |
| 01:20.38 | kd8ikt | super happy |
| 01:21.01 | rivalarrival | Yeah, I notice some buzzing on both ends - sounds like RFI from the GSM modem. |
| 01:21.25 | Dave | o.O |
| 01:21.36 | rivalarrival | Should be able to filter it out OK. |
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| 01:24.17 | kd8ikt | i cant figure out how to unlach the SD holder |
| 01:24.54 | kd8ikt | up got it |
| 01:25.16 | rivalarrival | Yeah, the SD and SIM holders are completely bass ackwards. |
| 01:25.55 | Iinfinyte | Anyone else get error -110 when flashing? |
| 01:26.01 | jOERG_rw | rivalarrival: :-D |
| 01:26.15 | Dave | They're terrible :( |
| 01:26.26 | Dave | Ideally I'd like both to be externally slot-loading |
| 01:26.40 | kd8ikt | so they can fall out/be stolen |
| 01:26.45 | Dave | No |
| 01:26.46 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 01:26.49 | Dave | So you can easily swap them |
| 01:26.53 | jOERG_rw | Dave: me too |
| 01:26.57 | Dave | :D |
| 01:27.02 | Dave | hugs joerg |
| 01:27.04 | safire | any tips on how to start debugging a crash? been searching the wiki for a while now, don't see much help |
| 01:27.04 | kd8ikt | love the resolution |
| 01:27.06 | jOERG_rw | alas PD doesn't think so |
| 01:27.12 | Dave | Yeah :( |
| 01:27.16 | Dave | oh well |
| 01:27.25 | kd8ikt | teeny tiny characters |
| 01:27.26 | Dave | crazy aftermarket modifications, anyone? :D |
| 01:27.34 | kd8ikt | so *cute* |
| 01:27.43 | rivalarrival | jOERG_rw: I'm not really complaining, I'm just saying that I've never had to get out a manual to figure out how to open a sim card holder before. |
| 01:28.06 | Dave | heehee |
| 01:28.08 | Dave | cute |
| 01:28.08 | jOERG_rw | rivalarrival: XD |
| 01:28.24 | jOERG_rw | rivalarrival: had to take lessons to learn how to do it ;-) |
| 01:28.57 | rivalarrival | Need a fricken bachelors degree to install the cards. :) |
| 01:29.00 | jOERG_rw | really weird those little suckers |
| 01:29.18 | rivalarrival | but whatever, it's cool. |
| 01:31.08 | kd8ikt | hm dunno why my wpa_supplicant file isnt working |
| 01:31.35 | kd8ikt | omg i hate terminals keypad |
| 01:31.48 | kd8ikt | i want a real keyboard |
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| 01:32.38 | rivalarrival | Yeah, I saw a wishlist entry about an expansion back... I'd love a slideout keyboard. |
| 01:33.05 | chillywilly | expansion back? |
| 01:33.41 | kd8ikt | no i just want a onscreen but not a fricken phone keypad for shell |
| 01:33.59 | kd8ikt | and some up/down arrows aswell |
| 01:34.01 | Iinfinyte | I think there is one. o_O |
| 01:34.16 | chillywilly | there's a full keyboard |
| 01:34.21 | safire | is my best bet building from scratch, or is there a way to enable more debug / log messages? |
| 01:34.24 | rivalarrival | It's vaporware - basically, instead of the blank back cover, something smart... like a keyboard, camera, extra batteries, etc. |
| 01:34.40 | jOERG_rw | kd8ikt: ctrl-keys ^G ^G ^J |
| 01:34.53 | chillywilly | how about a stylus holder?;P |
| 01:35.11 | rivalarrival | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Expansion_Back |
| 01:35.19 | jOERG_rw | i got one in my jacket ;-) |
| 01:35.26 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Complete_QWERTY_Keyboard_On_The_Freerunner |
| 01:35.41 | jOERG_rw | and onotherr one at end of my arms :-D |
| 01:35.53 | Iinfinyte | Ugh.. |
| 01:36.02 | Iinfinyte | I can't flash mah Freerunner. :< |
| 01:36.13 | jOERG_rw | how come? |
| 01:36.21 | jOERG_rw | 110? |
| 01:36.28 | Iinfinyte | I dunno, it keeps giving me thi.. Yeah that. |
| 01:36.51 | mw| | Iinfinyte: it gives you what? |
| 01:37.06 | jOERG_rw | gues that's sth with usb, maybe rights. seen this before. can't remember |
| 01:37.09 | Iinfinyte | Starting download: [##########dfu_download error -110 |
| 01:37.11 | Iinfinyte | Error during download |
| 01:37.20 | jOERG_rw | no bad thing - just do it right |
| 01:37.29 | cjb | Iinfinyte: do you have to keep pressing the aux button to keep it alive? |
| 01:37.29 | cjb | maybe? |
| 01:37.35 | cjb | did with gta01 |
| 01:37.36 | jOERG_rw | HUH? |
| 01:37.38 | Iinfinyte | No, it stays on. |
| 01:37.45 | cjb | ok |
| 01:38.03 | cjb | jOERG_rw: uboot would turn off after a long idle in the boot menu, even if there was a dfu ongoing |
| 01:38.19 | cjb | jOERG_rw: on the neo1973. you'd hit the aux button every minute to keep it alive. sounds like that's been fixed. |
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| 01:38.21 | mw| | Iinfinyte: tried another usb port? |
| 01:38.32 | jOERG_rw | cjb: yea know that. but never seen 110 during flash started |
| 01:38.33 | Iinfinyte | Nope, I'll do that. |
| 01:38.42 | mw| | Iinfinyte: anything in /var/log/messages? Does the device loose connection while flashing? |
| 01:39.01 | Iinfinyte | Lemme see. |
| 01:39.29 | mw| | #define ETIMEDOUT 110 /* Connection timed out */ |
| 01:40.01 | jOERG_rw | Iinfinyte: don't use a hub. disconnect other devices |
| 01:40.06 | safire | so really...no help for debugging dialer? is the dialer from ASU or FSO different from openmoko-dialer? |
| 01:40.16 | jOERG_rw | don't use powersaving on laptop... |
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| 01:41.01 | Iinfinyte | So, I can't have a USB mouse and keyboard plugged in? |
| 01:41.13 | jOERG_rw | not sure |
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| 01:41.31 | jOERG_rw | doesn't make a problem on my setup |
| 01:41.38 | jOERG_rw | YMMV |
| 01:41.47 | rivalarrival | I've got about 6 USB devices plugged in, plus the FR - no problem here. |
| 01:41.54 | daMaestro | LoRez, bravo |
| 01:42.03 | rtm | Has an "official" kernel with the software fix for the microSD-GPS interference problem been posted anywhere yet? |
| 01:42.29 | jOERG_rw | see [community] mail from Andy |
| 01:42.43 | jOERG_rw | about 15h old |
| 01:42.49 | Iinfinyte | Hmm |
| 01:43.00 | cjb | where does the stable kernel he pushed to live? |
| 01:43.06 | rtm | jOERG_rw :Thanks! |
| 01:43.12 | Iinfinyte | Should I upgrade the Uboot? |
| 01:43.12 | cjb | (in zimage form) |
| 01:43.45 | jOERG_rw | Iinfinyte: no bad idea, but won't fix 110 |
| 01:44.06 | Iinfinyte | Ah. |
| 01:44.20 | Iinfinyte | Which Uboot would I have to get anyways? |
| 01:44.36 | jOERG_rw | recent one? ;-) |
| 01:45.03 | Iinfinyte | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080718/ |
| 01:45.07 | Iinfinyte | The one at the bottom? |
| 01:45.53 | jOERG_rw | looks good to me |
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| 01:46.49 | jOERG_rw | but beware: flashing u-boot and getting 110 brings you 1 step closer to doom |
| 01:47.13 | jOERG_rw | try flashing rootfs first |
| 01:47.19 | Iinfinyte | Ah, you can get 110 when flashing Uboot too? |
| 01:47.33 | jOERG_rw | guess so |
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| 01:47.49 | Iinfinyte | Ah. Well I'll try to fix that first then. |
| 01:48.01 | jOERG_rw | good idea ;-) |
| 01:48.05 | cjb | so, is everyone running the qtopia stack these days? which image should I get? |
| 01:48.29 | Iinfinyte | Hmm, also. When my computer says: dfu_download error -110 |
| 01:48.29 | Iinfinyte | The phone says: End of write exceeds partition end |
| 01:48.32 | Iinfinyte | That mean anything to you? |
| 01:48.54 | cjb | huh |
| 01:48.57 | jOERG_rw | for sure |
| 01:49.04 | cjb | suggests the image is larger than the partition you're flashing it to |
| 01:49.10 | cjb | are you trying to flash a nand image into the kernel partition, perhaps? |
| 01:49.13 | jOERG_rw | you probably flashed wrong partition |
| 01:49.22 | Iinfinyte | o.O |
| 01:49.29 | cjb | :) |
| 01:49.38 | Iinfinyte | Lesse. |
| 01:49.43 | jOERG_rw | check -a parameter (think it was -a) |
| 01:49.53 | Iinfinyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.59 | Iinfinyte | That's what I was doin' |
| 01:50.09 | jOERG_rw | -a kernel!!!!! |
| 01:50.11 | penguinator | brandy new at&t sim worked flawlessly |
| 01:50.28 | penguinator | took a few hours to register, but now it registers fine |
| 01:50.28 | jOERG_rw | need -a rootfs |
| 01:50.35 | budfive | penguinator: what kind of sim? |
| 01:50.58 | Iinfinyte | I thought you had to do both? |
| 01:51.01 | penguinator | budfive: what determines what kind of sim it is? |
| 01:51.02 | jOERG_rw | and you can't flash a tar.gz at all!!!! |
| 01:51.07 | Iinfinyte | Oh. >__>; |
| 01:51.19 | safire | penguinator: was it a 3G sim? |
| 01:51.33 | cjb | Iinfinyte: haha |
| 01:51.35 | jOERG_rw | Iinfinyte: RTFM! ;-) |
| 01:51.42 | penguinator | safire: it says 3G on it yes |
| 01:51.45 | cjb | Iinfinyte: that's a pretty epic fail, I'm afraid |
| 01:51.55 | cjb | penguinator: interesting, I guess that's the same as mine |
| 01:52.02 | Iinfinyte | Well, I admit I thought it was odd that it pointed to the .. Well here. |
| 01:52.03 | cjb | penguinator: wasn't working for a long time, seems working now |
| 01:52.10 | Iinfinyte | Look for files of the form: Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-YYYYMMDD-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz and: openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.tar.gz |
| 01:52.15 | Iinfinyte | Is what it says on the Wiki |
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| 01:52.19 | safire | hmm..what image are you running? |
| 01:52.27 | budfive | can you get the sku and the model numbers? a 5-digit number, a 4-digit number and a single letter next to the gold pads on the sim |
| 01:52.42 | penguinator | cjb: how long? i got mine at lunch today, and only got it to connect saying at&t around 1800 |
| 01:52.44 | Marcel_M | Iinfinyte: you need a kernel (uImage-xxx.bin) and a rootfs (.jffs2 for flash) |
| 01:52.59 | jOERG_rw | Iinfinyte: seems you read wrong § of wiki |
| 01:53.35 | cjb | penguinator: got it at 1920 or so, didn't work at first, now working at 2153 |
| 01:53.36 | Iinfinyte | Ahh. Kekeke. Well lesse.. |
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| 01:54.10 | safire | mine is 71234 D / 2022 - only sim I've tried and dialer crashes when i call out |
| 01:54.13 | penguinator | cjb: seems like it takes a few hours to get setup? |
| 01:54.19 | cjb | penguinator: worked in my other phone |
| 01:54.28 | penguinator | cjb: oh, hmm |
| 01:54.35 | penguinator | safire: how long have you had it? |
| 01:54.37 | cjb | penguinator: my intuition is that it's coincidence or the positioning inside the SIM |
| 01:54.40 | cjb | slot |
| 01:54.45 | safire | 3 days |
| 01:54.55 | cjb | I first tried a SIM that I've been using in another phone for 7 months |
| 01:55.00 | cjb | and it didn't work repeatedly |
| 01:55.00 | penguinator | cjb: interesting |
| 01:55.16 | Iinfinyte | So I should get.. openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 for the rootfs.. But what's the latest kernel file for ASU? |
| 01:55.17 | cjb | and then got the new SIM, didn't work either, happens to be working at the moment if I give it like five mins to register |
| 01:55.29 | cjb | Iinfinyte: you probably want the one with the gps/sd fix |
| 01:55.33 | safire | does "Registering..." go away? |
| 01:55.40 | cjb | safire: yes, it's replaced with the operator name |
| 01:55.49 | safire | even after I get bars in the top right, menu still says "Registering.." |
| 01:55.52 | cjb | Iinfinyte: which is the "latest stable" kernel, but I don't know where that lives |
| 01:56.01 | cjb | safire: that means it can talk to the network, but that the network didn't let you in |
| 01:56.09 | cjb | safire: you can run libgsmd-tool -m shell, type "r" |
| 01:56.18 | cjb | safire: when mine wasn't working, it said Netreg: Permission denied |
| 01:56.30 | safire | rebooting...once it comes up i'll try that |
| 01:56.31 | cjb | if yours does too, try repositioning the SIM |
| 01:56.35 | safire | while gsmd is running, right? |
| 01:58.21 | cjb | I usually do while turned off |
| 01:58.24 | cjb | because I run on battery |
| 01:58.34 | cjb | if you do it while turned on, I think you want to restart gsmd afterwards |
| 01:58.46 | Iinfinyte | Lesse.. |
| 01:58.48 | Iinfinyte | Hey wait. |
| 01:58.50 | jOERG_rw | Iinfinyte: kernel is same for all rootfs I think |
| 01:58.54 | Iinfinyte | Uhm, is there only ONE Kernel? |
| 01:59.05 | Iinfinyte | Cause I've been looking for Stack specific ones. |
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| 01:59.19 | Iinfinyte | Ahh. Okay, well that makes sense. >_> |
| 01:59.25 | jOERG_rw | nah, the stacks run on same machine ;-) |
| 01:59.26 | toggles | anyone flashed uboot? dfu-util said a-ok, but my date on the uboot screen saus may 9th 08? |
| 01:59.30 | cjb | jOERG_rw: any idea where I can get a stable kernel containing Andy's fix? |
| 01:59.49 | jOERG_rw | see [community] mail from Andy |
| 01:59.50 | Iinfinyte | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080718/ |
| 01:59.51 | safire | yes...i get registration denied |
| 01:59.57 | Iinfinyte | uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Must be it |
| 02:00.06 | mmontour | toggles: are you booting the NAND or the NOR copy of u-boot? |
| 02:00.07 | cjb | jOERG_rw: it says he pushed it to the stable kernel. it doesn't say where I can download the stable kernel. |
| 02:00.18 | jOERG_rw | Iinfinyte: yepp |
| 02:00.43 | toggles | mmontour: whoa.. ok, i missed that, i just hold down the aux button and press power |
| 02:00.57 | Iinfinyte | Kay, I'll download these and see how they work. BRB |
| 02:01.01 | jOERG_rw | skim the wiki. I'm not in this |
| 02:01.18 | cjb | ok :) |
| 02:01.19 | adsllc | cjp: If opkg update && opkg upgrade doesn't do it, it's not really the "stable" kernel AFAIK |
| 02:01.40 | cjb | adsllc: *shrug* I have no idea |
| 02:01.48 | safire | other folks see tons of "SECOND ADCRDY" messages? |
| 02:02.05 | cjb | safire: nope. where do you see those? |
| 02:02.12 | adsllc | safire: never hard of 'em - when do you see them? |
| 02:02.16 | mmontour | cjb: "stable" is a branch in the kernel git repository (git.openmoko.org). Whatever's in there should be used for the next daily build, which will end up on buildhost.openmoko.org. |
| 02:02.18 | safire | on boot |
| 02:02.25 | safire | and then periodically there after |
| 02:02.41 | cjb | mmontour: Thanks! Do you think there's already a build containing the stuff Andy pushed? |
| 02:02.44 | safire | always preceded by "pcf50633_irq: entering(irq=53, pcf=c7d34c00): scheduling work" |
| 02:02.56 | cjb | safire: that means you pressed the power button, I think? |
| 02:02.59 | tessier | safire: I may have seen that. Did X die too? |
| 02:03.09 | safire | no |
| 02:03.16 | Marcel_M | safire: i think the are debug,essages from the mmc-driver |
| 02:03.55 | jOERG_rw | cjb: give it another 6h. should not take more than 24h anyway |
| 02:03.58 | safire | so, on the order of 200 of these during boot time |
| 02:04.21 | cjb | oh, it specifies the HEAD git commit ID that it built |
| 02:04.23 | safire | that seems quite excessive...what does the mmc-driver control? |
| 02:04.26 | cjb | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.40 | jOERG_rw | cjb: so I think actual build should be finished by now |
| 02:05.07 | cjb | cool, it has latest |
| 02:05.10 | jOERG_rw | cjb: look at the timestamp |
| 02:05.13 | mmontour | safire: debugging messages from the PMU, should be harmless. "mmc" is the SD-card |
| 02:05.21 | cjb | jOERG_rw: the git commit ID is much more specific. |
| 02:05.29 | cjb | and matches up with the topmost commit on http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=stable |
| 02:05.40 | cjb | so I know that that uImage does indeed contain the SD fix. great! |
| 02:05.47 | jOERG_rw | ok, so here you go |
| 02:05.51 | safire | even though I have no SD card in at the present? |
| 02:06.30 | jOERG_rw | safire: so what? |
| 02:06.36 | mmontour | The "pcf50633" messages are not related to mmc/SD. |
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| 02:07.11 | cjb | when I start tangogps, does it start gpsd and start trying to acquire a lock? |
| 02:07.26 | cjb | It hasn't found one after a long time, but I'm in my apartment with it next to a window, so I guess it's not that surprising |
| 02:07.41 | adsllc | cjb: tangogps doesn't start gpsd - see the Getting Started wiki page for instructions on how to start it automagically. |
| 02:08.01 | cjb | ok. it's talking okay to gpsd, so I think I already followed those instructions. |
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| 02:08.17 | Marcel_M | safire: i dont know the pcf50633 messages (dont have a fr), i think ive just seen the SECOND ADCRDY messages on the neo with on a kernel with mmc-debug compiled in |
| 02:08.18 | cjb | my followup question: does gpsd constantly look for a lock, or do I need to tell it to start? |
| 02:08.32 | kd8ikt | yeah thats the darndest thing how gps goes out the window with microsd |
| 02:08.43 | cjb | kd8ikt: try the new kernel :) |
| 02:08.45 | Marcel_M | but i cant remeber the exact messages |
| 02:08.49 | kd8ikt | oh yea? |
| 02:08.55 | cjb | kd8ikt: yes, there's a workaround |
| 02:09.03 | adsllc | gpsd doesn't look for a lock - the GPS chip should be doing it whenever it's powered up. |
| 02:09.04 | kd8ikt | does that mean i should reflash everything |
| 02:09.10 | cjb | kd8ikt: just the kernel |
| 02:09.17 | cjb | adsllc: ok! I see, thanks. |
| 02:09.22 | adsllc | gpsd just routes the output from the gps chip, it doesn't actually control anything. |
| 02:09.27 | Iinfinyte | Query: I updated the uboot but the version info at the top of the phone didn't change, is that normal? |
| 02:10.22 | kd8ikt | http://downloads.openmoko.org/recommended/? |
| 02:10.24 | mmontour | Like I said to the other guy, check whether you're booting the NOR or the NAND version of u-boot (only the NAND can be updated without a debug board) |
| 02:10.31 | jOERG_rw | Iinfinyte: which version info? |
| 02:10.32 | cjb | Iinfinyte: it depends when the uboot inside your uboot image was built |
| 02:10.40 | safire | Marcel: thanks...the pcf50633 and the SECOND ADCRDY messages always come together..thats why i thought they were related, i'll ignore them for now |
| 02:10.40 | kd8ikt | nope those are gta01 |
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| 02:11.20 | SirBob1701 | do you need to be in NOR to flash the root file system? |
| 02:11.21 | kd8ikt | got a link to that special kernel |
| 02:11.25 | Iinfinyte | It says U-boot 1.3.2-moko12 (May 9 2008 - 10:28:48) |
| 02:11.31 | jOERG_rw | Iinfinyte: ah sorry, u-bbot jeah see it's NAND, you can't flash NOR |
| 02:11.33 | Iinfinyte | Which is what it said before I flashed it with the latest |
| 02:11.53 | jOERG_rw | SirBob1701: nope |
| 02:12.00 | cjb | so, how do you ask uboot to boot from NAND instead of NOR? |
| 02:12.04 | jOERG_rw | IIRC |
| 02:12.05 | SirBob1701 | jOERG_rw: just regular boot works? |
| 02:12.05 | Iinfinyte | Err, so basically it did nothing because I don't have the debug board? |
| 02:12.22 | Iinfinyte | Or do I have to boot a different way? |
| 02:12.43 | jOERG_rw | Iinfinyte: to flash NAND you have to bbot to NOR |
| 02:13.02 | jOERG_rw | to flash rootfs it doesn't matter IIRC |
| 02:13.35 | cjb | straw poll: om2007.2, or qtopia? |
| 02:13.40 | Iinfinyte | Erm, I think I have been booting to NOR |
| 02:13.42 | jOERG_rw | Iinfinyte: you don't need debubo to flash NAND |
| 02:13.57 | Iinfinyte | I hold the AUX, then press the Power and let go of the AUX |
| 02:13.58 | rtm | cjb: om2007.2! |
| 02:14.08 | adsllc | cjb: 2007.2 - haven't tried qtopia - I'm not a big fan of their licensing. |
| 02:14.18 | jOERG_rw | Iinfinyte: so now you've flashed NAND, go boot NAND and look for version |
| 02:14.23 | lpotter | you arent a fan of the gpl? |
| 02:14.37 | Iinfinyte | Oh okay |
| 02:14.45 | Iinfinyte | After I'm done with the rootfs thingy I shall |
| 02:14.57 | toggles | jOERG_rw: how do you boot to nand? |
| 02:14.58 | jOERG_rw | better do now |
| 02:15.13 | adsllc | lpooter: I'm not a fan of If you start a project using QT GPL and decide to release a commercial version later, you can't. |
| 02:15.14 | jOERG_rw | Iinfinyte: press power, then aux |
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| 02:16.07 | adsllc | lpotter: You can't "upgrade" your license. |
| 02:16.24 | cjb | interesting, the GPS thinks I'm a street away from where I am |
| 02:16.36 | cjb | it only has 3 satellites locked |
| 02:16.49 | cjb | I guess it gets more precise with more sats? |
| 02:16.59 | jOERG_rw | cjb: yep |
| 02:17.12 | jOERG_rw | cjb: mmore sat to come |
| 02:17.13 | cjb | cool. |
| 02:17.18 | adsllc | lpotter: Don't get me wrong - I'm a fan of the GPL and have released around 3 packages - but I like to know I can license my own code however I like without completely rewriting the UI. |
| 02:17.29 | jOERG_rw | wait a little |
| 02:17.54 | mmontour | cjb: you need 4 sats for a 3D fix. With 3 it has to guess at your elevation |
| 02:18.14 | kd8ikt | which is nor? |
| 02:18.20 | cjb | mmontour: ooh. |
| 02:18.28 | kd8ikt | er it says boot menu nor |
| 02:18.37 | kd8ikt | set console to usb? |
| 02:18.43 | kd8ikt | <flash kernel> |
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| 02:19.10 | lpotter | adsllc: then dont tell sales. you own the copyright to your own code, so you can license it however you want |
| 02:20.15 | adsllc | lpotter: I own my own code, but if you want to use the QT libs in a commercial project you have to have a commercial license from day 1. |
| 02:21.30 | cjb | lpotter: I guess Trolltech sales can refuse to offer him a commercial license if he's previously used the free license. |
| 02:21.54 | cjb | I didn't know about this, though, sounds odd. Why wouldn't they want people to upgrade from the free license to the commercial one? That sounds like.. a good business model. |
| 02:22.19 | adsllc | lpotter: if there were a compelling advantage over GTK I'd be more interested, but GTK does the job without the worry. |
| 02:22.21 | Iinfinyte | Back |
| 02:22.32 | Iinfinyte | And yup, I was using NOR. NAND is July 18 now. :D |
| 02:22.45 | lpotter | i doubt they would actuall yturn down a sales because of that |
| 02:23.10 | toggles | Iinfinyte: how are you checking nand? |
| 02:23.14 | adsllc | lpotter: It's in their FAQ plain as day. I'm trying to dig it up now. |
| 02:23.43 | adsllc | lpotter: I considered it when I was developing www.vifir.org and decided it wasn't for me. |
| 02:23.44 | lpotter | no need to I work for TT |
| 02:24.00 | Stroller | cjb: accurate to one street with only 3 satellites is pretty good, I'd say |
| 02:24.19 | safire | so, no one going for FSO? |
| 02:24.29 | adsllc | lpotter: see here http://trolltech.com/developer/knowledgebase/123/?searchterm=license |
| 02:24.46 | Iinfinyte | Holding Power button then pressin AUX button until it boots |
| 02:24.53 | Iinfinyte | Any way to update the NOR? |
| 02:25.05 | mmontour | With a debug board |
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| 02:25.21 | Stroller | Where is the Aux button? |
| 02:25.29 | mmontour | It's the one that isn't the power button |
| 02:25.33 | toggles | Iinfinyte: thanks mate! |
| 02:25.45 | adsllc | Stroller: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 02:25.53 | lpotter | adsllc: besides, why wouldd you want to put nonfree apps on a free phone? |
| 02:26.34 | Stroller | Ah! Why didn't you just say "underneath the LEDS"? |
| 02:26.48 | kd8ikt | which kernel is it? |
| 02:27.03 | kd8ikt | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080718/ |
| 02:27.14 | adsllc | lpotter: it's a matter of principle. GTK is more free to me than QT. I can go commercial with GTK if I want - I don't have that freedom with QT. Phone aside, I'm not so interested in developing the skills on a restricted platform. |
| 02:27.27 | mmontour | Stroller: I only have a GTA01. I have an Aux button, but no LEDs |
| 02:27.39 | Stroller | Bah! |
| 02:27.58 | toggles | mmontour: so it will normally boot from nand then? only nor if you do the aux thing to save you from bricking? |
| 02:28.20 | cjb | adsllc: lpotter's point that this is probably the wrong phone to do that with is a fine one. |
| 02:28.53 | mmontour | Yes, it should boot from NAND by default, and from NOR only if you use the magic button sequence. |
| 02:29.08 | cjb | (but I also prefer GTK, because I made a choice to prefer it ~eight years ago when it was more free-as-in-GPL, and haven't worked with QT since.) |
| 02:29.18 | adsllc | lpotter & cjb: I don't mean to start a license flame war - QT is just dandy. He asked and I gave my opinion. They are more than welcome to license their stuff however they want! |
| 02:29.21 | Iinfinyte | I gots me the ASU. |
| 02:29.26 | cjb | yup :) |
| 02:29.47 | cjb | Iinfinyte: lemme know if it's any good. om2007 seems the most complete, I guess I'm sticking with that. |
| 02:30.22 | Iinfinyte | Yeah I dunno, I might reflash. It's kinda dull. >_> |
| 02:30.23 | toggles | mmontour: thanks mate, appreciate the newb help |
| 02:30.23 | Iinfinyte | And uhh.. |
| 02:30.27 | Iinfinyte | Where's the Console? :< |
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| 02:31.56 | mmontour | To get to the u-boot console, use a terminal program (minicom, cu, screen) on your host pc to connect to /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 02:32.23 | Iinfinyte | No I mean. >_> The console in the ASU |
| 02:32.52 | mmontour | oh, sorry. Don't know. |
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| 02:33.44 | freerunnin | hey, does anyone know where the qtopia media player reads mp3's from?? |
| 02:35.28 | Iinfinyte | Wahaha |
| 02:35.30 | Iinfinyte | Zokay |
| 02:35.35 | Iinfinyte | >_> It's mondo glitchy |
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| 02:36.41 | kd8ikt | wow gps is working with sdcARD |
| 02:36.49 | lpotter | adsllc: actaully LGPL takes rights away from users, so it is less free |
| 02:36.59 | walrustown | kd8ikt: out of the box? |
| 02:37.09 | kd8ikt | latest kern |
| 02:37.16 | Iinfinyte | Gonna go back to the good ol 2007 methinks |
| 02:37.16 | adsllc | lpotter: which rights? |
| 02:37.23 | walrustown | the one with the SD card clock disable feature? |
| 02:37.27 | Stroller | lpotter: lol |
| 02:37.30 | lpotter | adsllc: which is why its names is Lessor GPL |
| 02:37.36 | kd8ikt | havent qiute got a lock yet |
| 02:37.43 | kd8ikt | but hey i'm in the basement |
| 02:37.50 | walrustown | :) |
| 02:37.51 | lpotter | the rights to the code. |
| 02:38.00 | walrustown | getting any lock in the basement would be pretty good methinks |
| 02:38.05 | adsllc | lpotter: I disagree. The lgpl protects the rights of the developer less, hence lesser. |
| 02:38.15 | kd8ikt | showing 11 sats so something must be right |
| 02:38.32 | kd8ikt | before it just showed one and the signal never changed |
| 02:38.54 | adsllc | lpotter: GPL libraries -> only GPL code can link to it. LGPL libraries -> any code can link to it. How is LGPL restricting user rights? |
| 02:39.03 | walrustown | LGPL gives the user the right to interface their software more extensively than the GPL does |
| 02:39.16 | lpotter | for all purposes, in open source, user == developer |
| 02:39.55 | lpotter | adsllc: because it does allow proprietary apps to it, it takes the right to free open source software than GPL has |
| 02:40.21 | Iinfinyte | Hey, I have my Freerunner plugged into my computer and it's off. It's charging right? I don't see any lights flashing or anything is why I'm asking. |
| 02:40.28 | adsllc | lpotter? Huh? Please rephrase - I don't follow what you're trying to say. |
| 02:40.36 | walrustown | lpotter: unless you want to generate massive confusion, you should probably stick to using "developer" for the guy writing a library, and "user" for the guy using the library |
| 02:41.00 | adsllc | walrustown: Massive Confusion - GO! |
| 02:41.33 | walrustown | adsllc: I'm already feeling it :) |
| 02:41.35 | cjb | Iinfinyte: yes, charging |
| 02:41.40 | lpotter | lgpl allows proprietary software. gpl allows only gpl software. hence the use has less rights to see and modify code under the lgpl, |
| 02:41.43 | Stroller | Iinfinyte: I don't think you can take that for granted, The FR can go dead, with insufficient battery, and become unchargable |
| 02:42.06 | cjb | adsllc: it's obviously about whose rights you're trying to maximize. GPL attempts to maximize the rights of users (and by extension, all society), not developers. |
| 02:42.24 | walrustown | lpotter: you can't really license a proprietary project under the LGPL.... |
| 02:42.27 | cjb | if your utopia is a free society, it's GPL. if your utopia is free individuals, use LGPL. |
| 02:42.51 | adsllc | cjb: ::golf clap:: very well said. |
| 02:42.56 | kd8ikt | what special thing must i do to get tango to work? |
| 02:43.11 | adsllc | lpotter: Neither one is wrong, they're just different. |
| 02:43.23 | cjb | I have a pet theory that people who prefer LGPL also believe in the right to own firearms (which is another instance of an "individual right" in conflict with a "societal right" :) |
| 02:43.28 | adsllc | kd8ikt: Have you downloaded the latest version from the tango website? |
| 02:43.32 | cjb | starts two flamewars at once. |
| 02:43.32 | safire | kd8ikt: if you have sat lock, then you have to be internet connected to get maps |
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| 02:43.42 | Iinfinyte | Stroller: Say what? O_o |
| 02:43.46 | adsllc | cjb: My guns. Let me show them to you. :) |
| 02:43.52 | safire | and yes...get the latest, tangogps, much better |
| 02:43.52 | cjb | adsllc: haha :) |
| 02:44.29 | Iinfinyte | Stroller: I was just wanting to make sure it's actually chargin'. doesn't bother me that it don't light up. |
| 02:44.41 | Stroller | Iinfinyte: I think it may need to be powered on, but I'm not sure |
| 02:44.53 | Iinfinyte | Ah. |
| 02:45.01 | cjb | Iinfinyte: if it lit up, it wouldn't be able to charge so well :) |
| 02:45.08 | Iinfinyte | Exactly. |
| 02:45.21 | kd8ikt | well AGPS test shows sat lock but tango is null |
| 02:45.40 | cjb | kd8ikt: you probably haven't installed gpsd, then |
| 02:46.10 | lpotter | walrustown: no, but you can sure link proprietary software to lgpl. |
| 02:46.19 | cjb | kd8ikt: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#GPS |
| 02:46.35 | Iinfinyte | Alpha bravo tango rodger |
| 02:46.37 | Iinfinyte | >_> sorry. |
| 02:46.59 | adsllc | lpotter: IMHO, there's nothing wrong with proprietary software. Free is often better, but not always. |
| 02:47.17 | Iinfinyte | Ohoh, quick question. |
| 02:47.24 | walrustown | lpotter: doesn't that mean that people are freer to use the library that is licensed under the LGPL than under the GPL? |
| 02:47.25 | cjb | adsllc: again, you're refusing to consider the goal. free is always better _for freedom_. ;-) |
| 02:47.27 | Iinfinyte | Who do you hate more: Apple or Microsoft? Kekeke |
| 02:48.00 | adsllc | cjb: Whose goal is this? I am patenting new gulag techniques as we speak. |
| 02:48.18 | lpotter | walrustown: no, but it does mean I dont have the rights and acess to all the source code to modify it. |
| 02:48.38 | cjb | walrustown: see above. "developers" are freer under the LGPL, but maximizing our own freedom is a pretty shallow goal to have. why not give freedom to everyone? |
| 02:48.40 | nullpuppy | installs gps crap on the qtopia.net image with daily kernel from 7/18 |
| 02:48.43 | walrustown | lpotter: why should you have those rights? if I'm a developer and I don't want to grant you free access, why should I have to? |
| 02:48.54 | adsllc | cjb: Because I'm doing the work? |
| 02:49.02 | safire | i'm running stock 2007.2 image...does tangogps run on ASU as well? |
| 02:49.05 | lpotter | because this is about free software |
| 02:49.33 | walrustown | cjb: isn't freedom about choice? i.e., I can choose to make my software free or not? |
| 02:49.58 | lpotter | walrustown: it depends in whose freedom you are intersted in. |
| 02:49.59 | cjb | walrustown: no. "isn't freedom about choice? I can choose to keep slaves, or not." |
| 02:50.04 | SpeedEvil | And making users unable to run commercial software infringes their freedom. |
| 02:50.09 | cjb | you can't just say you have a "freedom" to do whatever you want. |
| 02:50.17 | walrustown | cjb: keeping slaves.... restricts the slaves' choice.... |
| 02:50.25 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.34 | adsllc | cjb: I have a "freedom" to do whatever I want. There. I said it. |
| 02:50.36 | cjb | walrustown: as developing proprietary software restricts your users' power. |
| 02:50.43 | adsllc | cjp:I've got guns, remember? :) |
| 02:50.59 | cjb | adsllc: I think people used that argument about the slavery thing, too :) |
| 02:51.12 | walrustown | cjb: you do realize that a LOT of software would never be developed if the authors weren't going to get compensated, right? |
| 02:51.27 | adsllc | all: How about less license war and more moko love? |
| 02:51.35 | walrustown | moko love!!! |
| 02:51.38 | walrustown | <3 <3 <3 |
| 02:51.40 | adsllc | ::hug:: |
| 02:51.54 | SpeedEvil | cjb: Look at the huge amount of free speech recognition programs on linux forex. |
| 02:52.05 | lpotter | just like some big company developing proprietary apps linked against lgpl library, they keep all their code closed, so as a developer trying to develop for it, I have less rights |
| 02:52.20 | cjb | walrustown: I don't think world needs "a LOT of software". part of the reason we have a billion packages for doing stupid payroll stuff is that none of them are sharing code. a world in which we share code would have different priorities. |
| 02:52.35 | cjb | s/think world/think the world/ |
| 02:52.46 | walrustown | cjb: so I shouldn't be allowed to retain rights to software I write if I want to? |
| 02:53.22 | cjb | walrustown: it's a moral choice. I'm not going to say that people should be physically restrained from making bad moral choices. I wouldn't make it, and I would try to persuade you not to make it. |
| 02:53.22 | adsllc | So, ah - whose gotten anywhere with the accellerometers? |
| 02:53.27 | SpeedEvil | cjb: and I as a user shouldn't be allowed to purchase software from walrustown if I wish to? |
| 02:53.34 | macdonalder | doc|home: around? |
| 02:53.35 | cjb | SpeedEvil: see above. |
| 02:53.43 | adsllc | I'd purchase a mug from Walrustown if I visited. |
| 02:53.55 | rwhitby | walrustown, cjb: and each person gets to decide on their own what their personal morals are |
| 02:54.01 | walrustown | cjb: selling things I make is not a bad moral choice. that's that. if you want to dispute that point, I'm not interested |
| 02:54.20 | cjb | rwhitby: Yup. (Which isn't the same thing as meaning that all choices are free from criticism by others.) |
| 02:54.42 | rwhitby | cjb: agreed. polite criticism is always good :-) |
| 02:54.48 | rwhitby | (as is happening here) |
| 02:54.52 | SpeedEvil | No it's not. |
| 02:54.52 | cjb | People have a tendency to assume "I have free speech" means "I can say whatever I like and no-one can protest". Having a right to do something doesn't make you a responsible member of society for using it. |
| 02:54.58 | SpeedEvil | passes out the flamethrowers. |
| 02:55.11 | walrustown | * grabs more than his share of the flamethrowers. |
| 02:55.31 | adsllc | Progress is good. Constructive criticism is good. This argument has been done to death - everyone is right. Let's get on to the good. |
| 02:55.57 | rwhitby | so walrustown has the right to choose whatever moral stance he/she desires, and others can criticise the stance, but not criticise his/her right to take that stance. |
| 02:56.04 | nullpuppy | whats the qtopia based gps app? |
| 02:56.12 | SpeedEvil | nullpuppy: atrocity? |
| 02:56.16 | daMaestro | any recommended ASU images at this point? |
| 02:56.22 | walrustown | meh, I'm done arguing :) |
| 02:56.43 | SpeedEvil | nullpuppy: I forget - it might not be that. |
| 02:56.52 | adsllc | So, accelerometers? Anyone? |
| 02:56.52 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 02:56.53 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 02:57.00 | SpeedEvil | adsllc: what about them. |
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| 02:57.07 | adsllc | Any apps using them? |
| 02:57.15 | SpeedEvil | don't think so |
| 02:57.24 | SpeedEvil | www.openmoko.org/wiki/ Technical:Accelerometer_Fundamentals |
| 02:57.27 | SpeedEvil | may be woerth a read |
| 02:57.32 | adsllc | Read it. |
| 02:57.40 | adsllc | Wrote a quick proof of concept program. |
| 02:57.42 | balrog-k1n | gta02.py is the only program i've seen touching the accelerometers |
| 02:58.00 | walrustown | I am going to work on a "labyrinth" like game using the accels |
| 02:58.13 | walrustown | But I haven't got a cross-compile toolchain working under debian yet :( |
| 02:58.14 | Iinfinyte | Any Messenger apps working on the Freerunner yet? |
| 02:58.20 | adsllc | I can almost always see /dev/input/event3, but only occasionally /dev/input/event2 - is this normal? |
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| 02:59.08 | walrustown | That doesn't sound normal to me adsllc |
| 02:59.22 | balrog-k1n | adsllc: it's some problem with neod or X, it's been discussed a lot on the list |
| 02:59.34 | balrog-k1n | adsllc: kill X and it works fine |
| 02:59.37 | Dave | Hallo balrogkun :) |
| 02:59.44 | Dave | Speedevil :) |
| 03:00.03 | balrog-k1n | hiya Dave |
| 03:00.19 | Iinfinyte | Hai Dave oh buddy oh pal. |
| 03:01.01 | adsllc | balrog-k1n: Oh, is that all - just kill X? :) That's fine, at least it's known. |
| 03:01.36 | adsllc | If anybody wants to see how sensitive they are, I'm happy to shoot the .c or binary to ya. |
| 03:01.55 | balrog-k1n | adsllc: i suppose it will be fixed at some point and will work as expected then |
| 03:02.15 | balrog-k1n | you still have a chance to be the person who fixed it :) |
| 03:02.47 | adsllc | True that. Digging out weird X interactions may be slightly beyond me, but it is a goal. |
| 03:03.21 | SpeedEvil | GPM? |
| 03:03.24 | SpeedEvil | wonders. |
| 03:03.37 | SpeedEvil | gpm even - I don't think it's an acronym |
| 03:03.39 | walrustown | gallons per mile? |
| 03:03.54 | SpeedEvil | see man gpm |
| 03:04.21 | SpeedEvil | It's a mouse repeater. |
| 03:04.26 | adsllc | What about gpm? |
| 03:04.28 | walrustown | I'm using DOS, I don't know if DOS has man |
| 03:05.05 | adsllc | Viva DOS 3.3! |
| 03:05.29 | walrustown | The DOS I'm using is a pre-microsoft version |
| 03:05.30 | balrog-k1n | you were using debian a while ago :) |
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| 03:05.35 | adsllc | Dr. DOS? |
| 03:05.36 | walrustown | shhhh balrog! |
| 03:05.37 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.59 | Chocky | MajorMajoMokoMakefile make me gta01 images - what gives? |
| 03:05.59 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:06.31 | walrustown | so, I'm curious what distro the people who can compile openmoko apps are running on their dev boxes? |
| 03:06.32 | mmontour | wrong machine setting in build/conf/local.conf (om-gta02 for Freerunner) |
| 03:06.36 | SirBob1701 | are there any repositories for the ASU? |
| 03:06.51 | Chocky | ah yes. wiki page doesn't mention this |
| 03:07.01 | linuxxee | i guess the onlything i didnt get was the lanyard |
| 03:07.53 | macdonalder | doc|home: see email :D |
| 03:08.27 | adsllc | walrustown: I can compile console apps on Fedora 9, haven't poked around with mokoui much. |
| 03:09.38 | adsllc | Has anyone gotten gcc to make a binary on their moko? |
| 03:09.39 | Iinfinyte | Erm.. How do you change the time? |
| 03:09.43 | linuxxee | so thats whats wrong with fedora |
| 03:09.52 | walrustown | adsllc: I want to know that too |
| 03:10.00 | Dave | gpm? |
| 03:10.07 | SpeedEvil | adsllc: yes |
| 03:10.11 | adsllc | Iinfinyte: Excellent question - this was a pain for me too. Standby. |
| 03:10.27 | SpeedEvil | adsllc: I tried building slackware on it a while back, but lots of packages just wouldn't. |
| 03:10.31 | walrustown | adsllc: I tried the instructions on http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain with Debian Etch to no avail |
| 03:10.44 | SpeedEvil | adsllc: IIRC kernel took a couple of hours to build. |
| 03:10.58 | walrustown | adsllc: did you use the moko toolchain, or just an arm targeted gcc? |
| 03:10.58 | balrog-k1n | adsllc: i got gcc to make a kernel binary on the moko :p |
| 03:11.00 | balrog-k1n | andit booted |
| 03:11.51 | adsllc | balrog-k1n: The moko toolchain. |
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| 03:12.33 | peepsalot | ok, i'm full of tacos and margaritas, time to flash my freerunner |
| 03:12.44 | Chocky | spicy |
| 03:12.58 | peepsalot | :-D |
| 03:13.11 | Dave | hot |
| 03:13.17 | Chocky | h0t! |
| 03:13.18 | adsllc | To set the time - 'opkg gpssight' - run it. There's a "Sync Time" button. It's hackish and probably not the only way, but it's all I've found. |
| 03:14.04 | Dave | o.O |
| 03:14.05 | Chocky | install ntpd, but it doesn't seem to help |
| 03:14.06 | adsllc | That is, assuming you've got the GPS working. |
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| 03:14.37 | adsllc | ntpd generally doesn't do large step changes. It'll adjust your clock 1ms every hour, but not so much drastic changes by design. |
| 03:14.43 | daMaestro | hmmm where did the asu images go? |
| 03:14.45 | Chocky | gah |
| 03:14.49 | Chocky | thought so |
| 03:14.51 | adsllc | The ntpdate program would do it, but I haven't found them availab.e |
| 03:14.51 | peepsalot | so does anyone know what is required to boot from microSD? i couldn't find an appropriate page on the wiki |
| 03:14.55 | Chocky | openntpd is no better |
| 03:15.02 | Chocky | in fact, it's worse |
| 03:15.07 | cjb | peepsalot: is it a uboot menu option? |
| 03:15.19 | Chocky | you'll need updated uboot if you want to boot from ext2 |
| 03:15.33 | Chocky | you need a uImage(.bin?) file on it |
| 03:15.37 | peepsalot | cjb, yes, i see it in uboot, but i'm not sure how i go about configuring the sd card |
| 03:15.42 | adsllc | poopsalot: Have you tried http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card ? |
| 03:15.56 | Chocky | those instructions are overly complex and mostly not needed |
| 03:16.02 | Dave | Damaestro, I stole them! |
| 03:16.05 | Dave | Muwahahahahah |
| 03:16.11 | Chocky | like much of the wiki :-( |
| 03:16.12 | peepsalot | adsllc, no, i hadn't seen that yet, thank you |
| 03:16.21 | peepsalot | oh |
| 03:16.26 | daMaestro | Dave, i'm just impressed i could make a call out of box |
| 03:16.26 | daMaestro | :-D |
| 03:16.30 | adsllc | peepsalot: I haven't done it myself, I just remembered seeing it. YMMV. |
| 03:17.15 | Dave | damaestro, actually they're in 0715 |
| 03:17.21 | daMaestro | like.. holy moly |
| 03:17.36 | daMaestro | i can actually call the device, and it rings! ;-) |
| 03:18.03 | Dave | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080715/?C=M&O=D |
| 03:18.11 | daMaestro | fullscreen is where it's at |
| 03:18.11 | Dave | Jon, huzzah! |
| 03:18.16 | daMaestro | huzzah! |
| 03:18.21 | Dave | heehee :p |
| 03:18.30 | Dave | Glad to hear of your success so far :] |
| 03:18.36 | Iinfinyte | Does opkg update work? |
| 03:18.40 | Dave | Furthermore, glad to hear you are pleased an no longer lamenting your transaction. |
| 03:18.44 | Dave | Infinite, yes |
| 03:18.50 | Chocky | Iinfinyte: more or less. needs hand holding |
| 03:18.56 | Iinfinyte | It keeps failing on me. |
| 03:19.10 | Dave | Infinite, did you add a valid nameserver? |
| 03:19.15 | Chocky | ah yes, the "doesn't work" bug report. |
| 03:19.18 | Dave | can your shit connect? |
| 03:19.21 | Dave | can it resolv? |
| 03:19.22 | peepsalot | bah, i guess it would help if I had a sd reader for my desktop |
| 03:19.23 | adsllc | Iinfinyte: Do it from the phone, not via SSH. |
| 03:19.35 | Dave | if so, are you sure it's not succeeding but just failing the pkg sigs? |
| 03:19.36 | Iinfinyte | I am using the phone. |
| 03:19.37 | Chocky | random advice! |
| 03:19.44 | Dave | adsllc: shush |
| 03:20.03 | Dave | :] |
| 03:20.05 | Iinfinyte | And uhh, I haven't configured anything, but I THINK I'm connected. Cause the first thing seems to work. How can I test? |
| 03:20.05 | adsllc | Iinfinyte: Oh, well then you're screwed. :) How exactly does it fail? |
| 03:20.05 | daMaestro | anyone have a screen cover recommendation? |
| 03:20.19 | Dave | I'm looking for one myself |
| 03:20.21 | Iinfinyte | Wait wait |
| 03:20.22 | Chocky | Daviey: ones on ebay. |
| 03:20.24 | Chocky | er |
| 03:20.25 | Dave | Barring those stupid ones on ebay |
| 03:20.26 | Dave | :P |
| 03:20.29 | safire | Iinfinyte, can you ping www.yahoo.com? |
| 03:20.29 | Chocky | damaestro |
| 03:20.32 | Iinfinyte | Know what? Nevermind, I think it's just Signature checks |
| 03:20.37 | Chocky | sigh |
| 03:20.58 | daMaestro | Dave, let me know if you find something nice, i'll buy you one too if it's nice enough |
| 03:21.01 | Chocky | Dave: shoot me now and be done with it |
| 03:21.01 | adsllc | Iinfinyte: Yea, the sig checks don't exist - ignore the errors. |
| 03:21.15 | Chocky | opkg update 2>&1 | grep -v sig |
| 03:21.17 | Dave | Oh and to all those fools outthere, if you use ping to test the validity of your phone's internet connection, please try an address which RESPONDS to ICMP_ECHO_REQUEST, kthx :] |
| 03:21.21 | Dave | chocky, huhu |
| 03:21.26 | Chocky | laffs |
| 03:21.28 | Dave | haaha I'd hardly call that a solutions |
| 03:21.31 | Chocky | like, not your Vista machine |
| 03:21.35 | Dave | furthermore, I hope they don't implement that as their fix :P |
| 03:21.36 | Dave | :D |
| 03:21.46 | Chocky | Dave: patented hack. |
| 03:21.48 | Dave | roflarium. |
| 03:21.55 | Dave | pfft, needs more awk. |
| 03:22.17 | Dave | offers damaestro some pizza |
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| 03:22.44 | daMaestro | Dave, just had a sandwich |
| 03:22.53 | Chocky | doesn't speak awk |
| 03:22.55 | Dave | hah! |
| 03:22.56 | daMaestro | Dave, i assume we are calling the asu the "qtopia" image now? |
| 03:23.02 | Dave | No |
| 03:23.07 | Dave | It's still the Hybrid image. |
| 03:23.18 | Dave | It's way too nastay to be considered "Qtopia" |
| 03:23.21 | Iinfinyte | How do you log into the Freerunner via SSH? I wanna install them thar Keyboardz. >_> |
| 03:23.21 | daMaestro | ah, cool |
| 03:23.22 | Dave | plus it's misleading |
| 03:23.32 | Dave | I'd hope people either use ASU or Hybrid |
| 03:23.41 | Dave | though asu seems to be the more popular of the two |
| 03:23.47 | Dave | even if blindly referenced :) |
| 03:23.51 | adsllc | Iinfinyte: What OS are you using? |
| 03:23.53 | SirBob1701 | the hybrid is out? |
| 03:24.00 | Iinfinyte | Ubuntu |
| 03:24.34 | adsllc | linfinyte: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Connect_to_the_Neo_FreeRunner_By_USB_Networking |
| 03:24.48 | kd8ikt | wpa_supplicant.conf fails |
| 03:24.56 | Dave | FAIL! |
| 03:25.02 | safire | "the hybrid is out?" .. sounds like the start of "openmoko murders" a new horror flick |
| 03:25.02 | Dave | SirBob, define "out" |
| 03:25.05 | Dave | :p |
| 03:25.11 | Dave | safire :D |
| 03:25.16 | adsllc | linfinyte: Specifically, the "Automatic Method" |
| 03:25.16 | Dave | might as well be |
| 03:25.26 | Dave | oh man I'm so classic |
| 03:25.43 | adsllc | linfinyte: Then ssh root@192.168.0.202. |
| 03:25.52 | Chocky | hum, usb0 has vanished, to be replaced by ttyUSB0 |
| 03:25.56 | Dave | man, misdirecting key device inputs around the OS can be so fun :D |
| 03:26.08 | SirBob1701 | so does diversity work in the ASU yet? |
| 03:26.19 | Dave | Not so far as I am aware, no. |
| 03:26.28 | SirBob1701 | ok does tango still work? |
| 03:26.33 | Dave | Absolutely. |
| 03:26.45 | Dave | There's some minor issues with it that many are not even aware of. |
| 03:26.46 | Iinfinyte | Ahh. |
| 03:26.48 | SirBob1701 | ok do you have to do anthing to get the icon for tango to appear |
| 03:26.49 | Dave | It's nearly all good stuff :) |
| 03:26.58 | Dave | I use it on all my gps units :D |
| 03:26.59 | kd8ikt | ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported |
| 03:27.06 | kd8ikt | anyone else get that from ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported |
| 03:27.11 | SirBob1701 | kd8ikt: i get that too. seems to still work i think |
| 03:27.12 | Dave | su - |
| 03:27.27 | adsllc | kd8ikt: I get it every time - and I connect just fine every time. Ignore it. |
| 03:27.41 | safire | kd8: yeah, i got that too and still connected |
| 03:27.45 | kd8ikt | mine isnt connecting though |
| 03:27.49 | Dave | Hey I mean the method was said to be hackish to begin with ;) |
| 03:27.56 | SirBob1701 | is there a way to do ifup eth0 with out having to actually do it each time? |
| 03:27.56 | Dave | can't expect it to be flawless ;) |
| 03:28.05 | Dave | you dirty dirty boys :p |
| 03:28.17 | peepsalot | aha, i'v fashioned a makeshift sd reader from coconut husks and palm fronds, the day is mine! |
| 03:28.18 | Dave | Sirbob, have it done automatically for you? |
| 03:28.24 | SirBob1701 | ya |
| 03:28.26 | Dave | Sure. |
| 03:28.30 | adsllc | kd8ikt: What type of connection? Open? WEP? WPA? |
| 03:28.41 | *** topic/#openmoko by daMaestro -> OpenMoko :: Freerunner is out of stock. | Official Updates: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. | Community dev #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
| 03:28.47 | SirBob1701 | Dave: also i install tangogps but no icon shows up for it |
| 03:28.48 | kd8ikt | open |
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| 03:29.14 | kd8ikt | is sad iwconfig eth0 essid any doesnt work |
| 03:29.29 | jve | hello all |
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| 03:30.15 | adsllc | kd8ikt: try iwconfig eth0 essid <insert your actual SSID, including capitilaization here> |
| 03:30.33 | Iinfinyte | wget: bad address 'www.ginguppin.de' |
| 03:30.34 | Iinfinyte | Hmm |
| 03:30.42 | kd8ikt | derr |
| 03:30.52 | vjacob | is it safe to assume that distributors do not have any phones in stock, now that openmoko.com does not? |
| 03:31.15 | Stroller | vjacob: what country are you in? |
| 03:31.27 | mmontour | vjacob: koolu.com still claimed to have stock earlier today |
| 03:31.34 | SirBob1701 | how do i get 2007.2 applications that i install with opkg to show up in the ASU menu? |
| 03:31.38 | adsllc | kd8ikt: After that, does "iwconfig eth0" list a reasonable MAC for your Access Point: |
| 03:32.13 | adsllc | kd8ikt: If so, try :udhcpc eth0" |
| 03:32.17 | vjacob | Stroller: I'm in Washington DC, going to california and in need of a phone fast (I'm from Denmark) |
| 03:32.32 | adsllc | kd8ikt: Then, go put some decent security on your router! |
| 03:32.34 | daMaestro | Dave, as there is no kernel in that build tree... should i not flash the kernel? |
| 03:32.37 | Stroller | vjacob: I think you're stuffed then, mate |
| 03:32.47 | daMaestro | or just http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ ? |
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| 03:33.32 | Stroller | vjacob: there was someone on -community selling an un-opened Freerunner yesterday. I think he's in NY. Ended up with two, one from the store & one from a group purchase. |
| 03:33.40 | kd8ikt | but nah i like it open |
| 03:33.51 | kd8ikt | shareing is caring! |
| 03:33.52 | daMaestro | ah, the 20080718 build has one |
| 03:34.08 | Iinfinyte | Any idea why wget http://www.ginguppin.de/files/keyboard-ipk |
| 03:34.08 | Iinfinyte | .tar.bz2 fails? o_O |
| 03:34.22 | Iinfinyte | Oops, split message. |
| 03:34.46 | vjacob | thanks for the tip stroller, btw interesting meaning of the word 'stuffed' :) |
| 03:34.50 | SirBob1701 | great no keyboard shows up in the ASU text message for me.. |
| 03:35.01 | vjacob | mmontour: i'm looking at the site now |
| 03:35.14 | Stroller | vjacob: you might also shoot steve@openmoko a quick email. Ask politely if he knows of any spares being or becoming available. He's in Cali, as is the distribution centre. I know at least one plonker has refused his delivery in over-reaction to the GPS problems. |
| 03:35.40 | adsllc | Iinfinyte: Do it from your desktop and scp/rsync it over. Not sure why, but I've seen the same thing. |
| 03:36.10 | Iinfinyte | Erm.. Do what it over? >_>; |
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| 03:36.24 | peepsalot | it kinda suck that the freerunner battery says "2. Do not disassembly" and "3. Do not short circu" cause that's exactly what I really hoping to short circu the thing shortly after disassemblying it. |
| 03:36.58 | adsllc | Iinfinyte: Download it to /tmp on your desktop. |
| 03:37.48 | adsllc | Iinfinyte: then, from your moko, type scp username@192.168.0.200:/tmp/keyboard* /home/root |
| 03:38.10 | adsllc | Iinfinyte: Then unpack it in /home/root. |
| 03:38.13 | ieatlint | peepsalot, heh, it's an obvious attempt at saying circus... just cut them a break |
| 03:38.22 | SirBob1701 | great no keyboard shows up in the ASU text message for me.. |
| 03:38.33 | SirBob1701 | can someone gimme a hand? |
| 03:38.40 | mmontour | claps |
| 03:38.59 | ieatlint | if you buy the domain macand.me, i'll give you something very special |
| 03:39.13 | vjacob | i really appreciate your tips |
| 03:39.25 | Iinfinyte | Hmm.. |
| 03:39.28 | peepsalot | ieatlint, ok, I will only long circus the battery from now on. :-P |
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| 03:39.51 | vjacob | it's great to see that people are helping out and busy getting mokos working |
| 03:40.03 | adsllc | Nah - we're mostly bickering. |
| 03:40.12 | Chocky | vjacob: nah, just handing out abuse |
| 03:40.12 | adsllc | See? |
| 03:40.13 | peepsalot | we're mostly drunk |
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| 03:40.54 | adsllc | Organizing a Group Buy was one of the best things I've done recently. |
| 03:40.59 | safire | is there a nice list of available apps other than opkg list? |
| 03:41.19 | adsllc | But only because I got the phones first and got to say "Nyah Nyah - I've got your phone before you do!" to nine other people. |
| 03:41.35 | Chocky | I did it, but I'm dubious about the best part |
| 03:41.36 | peepsalot | can anyone help me find my sd card device? the wiki instr. say to do "sudo fdisk /dev/mmcblk0". but it's not under that name. |
| 03:41.37 | vjacob | that's great too. |
| 03:41.42 | ieatlint | vjacob, i've helped a lot of people... start paying me, and then you'll see consistent helpfulness... |
| 03:41.44 | Chocky | hard to deal with a bunch of nutters |
| 03:42.11 | rivalarrival | I resemble that remark |
| 03:42.19 | Chocky | me too. |
| 03:42.29 | Stroller | peepsalot: does `ls /dev/disk/*` give you any clues? |
| 03:42.39 | ieatlint | peepsalot, you don't need sudo, there is only root on the thing |
| 03:42.48 | adsllc | peepsalot: It's under the SIM card. Or maybe in /media/card. Or maybe /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 03:42.55 | Chocky | cat /proc/partitions |
| 03:43.08 | peepsalot | ieatlint, this is for formatting my sd card from a desktop, ubuntu |
| 03:43.16 | ieatlint | oh |
| 03:43.21 | ieatlint | that's why |
| 03:43.21 | SpeedEvil | peepsalot: /dev/sda possibly |
| 03:43.24 | SpeedEvil | or whatever |
| 03:43.28 | ieatlint | careful though |
| 03:43.28 | Chocky | same thing |
| 03:43.29 | adsllc | It's actually /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 03:43.38 | ieatlint | do not format until you are 100% it is the right drive |
| 03:43.40 | Chocky | might be /dev/sdb, c, etc |
| 03:43.42 | ieatlint | lest you format your computer |
| 03:43.43 | peepsalot | adsllc, i don't have any dev/mmc* |
| 03:43.47 | Stroller | How big is the supplied SDcard? Could it be the 512meg one I see mounted at /media/card when I run `df -h` ? |
| 03:43.49 | Chocky | cat /proc/partitions again, also dmesg |
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| 03:44.01 | adsllc | Stroller: Yes, that is it. |
| 03:44.07 | Chocky | most likely an /dev/sdX if it's a reader |
| 03:44.11 | ieatlint | peepsalot, remove your card reader, then in a console type "tail -f /var/log/messages" |
| 03:44.16 | ieatlint | re-insert card reader |
| 03:44.17 | Stroller | Well knock me doen with a lead feather! |
| 03:44.23 | Stroller | Well knock me down with a lead feather, too! |
| 03:44.27 | adsllc | adsllc: on a desktop it's /dev/sd<something>. On the moko it's /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 03:44.31 | ieatlint | the log file will tell you what the device is being named |
| 03:44.34 | doc|home | beats the crap out of Stroller with a lead feather |
| 03:44.40 | Stroller | Ouch! |
| 03:45.42 | ieatlint | who here knows c and wants to make fun of a piece of code i wrote that i can't for the life of me figure out why it fails? |
| 03:45.44 | peepsalot | adsllc, ok, looks like sde, thx |
| 03:45.54 | Stroller | wonders if the presence of the SDcard is the cause of /proc/vhiss/hiss/crackle/crackle/gps_signal |
| 03:46.11 | Stroller | ieatlint: me! |
| 03:46.22 | adsllc | ieatlint: Oh! Oh! Me! Me! Pick me! |
| 03:46.25 | ieatlint | http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/accel.txt |
| 03:46.26 | Stroller | Noooo! |
| 03:46.27 | Stroller | Me! |
| 03:46.40 | ieatlint | trying to do a very basic program to get acquainted with the accelerometers |
| 03:47.12 | adsllc | ieatlint: Where were you 20 minutes ago? I've already got a very similar program written and working. |
| 03:47.26 | ieatlint | i was eating dinner |
| 03:47.30 | Chocky | I like how the medai player randomly doesn't start |
| 03:47.36 | adsllc | ieatlint: Stand by, I'll post it. |
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| 03:49.00 | SirBob1701 | how do i install the keyboard for the asu so i can text? |
| 03:49.32 | mmontour | ieatlint: how does it fail? |
| 03:49.40 | SirBob1701 | it just doesn't show up at all |
| 03:50.11 | ieatlint | sometimes segfault, sometimes bus error... balgrind says "Address 0x2265a487fce3f is not stack'd, malloc'd or (recently) free'd" on line 46 (in display function, marked with a comment) |
| 03:50.20 | kd8ikt | old news there Stroller |
| 03:50.23 | ieatlint | valgrind |
| 03:50.29 | adsllc | ieatling: http://www.adsllc.com/tmp/ |
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| 03:50.53 | Stroller | Hmmmn... how do I install gcc? |
| 03:50.59 | Hydrant | anyone using qtopia and try to sync music to their FR? |
| 03:51.12 | Stroller | kd8ikt: what what? |
| 03:51.46 | mmontour | the fread in accelin() seems to be reading more bytes than the size of struct input_event |
| 03:52.27 | ieatlint | indeed |
| 03:52.37 | ieatlint | heh, i knew it was something stupid :P |
| 03:52.42 | Chocky | hm, kobodeluxe is better in landscape |
| 03:52.44 | ieatlint | just going use a sizeof operator |
| 03:52.48 | peepsalot | is it possible to set up for the option to boot into more than two images? |
| 03:53.12 | mmontour | ieatlint: also watch out for structure padding with that 'char' in the middle of those shorts |
| 03:53.28 | adsllc | mmontour: Ding ding ding! Nicely done. |
| 03:53.43 | ieatlint | the char is there to pad it |
| 03:54.09 | Chocky | careful. ARM doesn't do the same as classic x86 C |
| 03:54.15 | adsllc | ieatlint: fread( &buf, 1, 24, input ) -> fread(&buf,sizeof(buf),1,input) |
| 03:54.31 | Chocky | you might need to use __attrbute__ ((packed)) or similar |
| 03:54.38 | ieatlint | yep, i already switched it... |
| 03:54.49 | Chocky | and don't forget that chars are _unsigned_ |
| 03:55.33 | doc|home | anyone know anything about these: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26822&vpn=PSF4GMCSDHC6&manufacture=Patriot&promoid=1046 ? |
| 03:55.46 | doc|home | sorry, these http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=24236&vpn=PSF8GSDHC6&manufacture=Patriot&promoid=1046 |
| 03:56.07 | doc|home | actually, lets go with the first one :D |
| 03:56.13 | doc|home | given it's actually micro sd :/ |
| 03:56.19 | Hydrant | very interesting |
| 03:57.32 | adsllc | doc|home: Go 8G or you'll kick yourself later. |
| 03:58.07 | SirBob1701 | can someone help me debug why the asu's keyboard doesn't show. i have no idea where to begin |
| 03:58.37 | adsllc | doc|home: Is that price in Canadian dollars? I see the CAD next to the price. |
| 03:58.45 | doc|home | adsllc: it is |
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| 03:59.13 | Hydrant | where do you get an 8GB version ? |
| 03:59.26 | doc|home | to be honest, I'm not sure I'm bothered about 8gb, I don't plan on using it for media |
| 03:59.36 | Chocky | those gigabits |
| 03:59.44 | adsllc | I'd start looking for an 8G here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010070068+1053131144+1053313634&name=8GB |
| 03:59.46 | doc|home | I have a 1gb card in my n800 and it's probably enough |
| 03:59.59 | doc|home | newegg don't deliver to canuckistan last I checked |
| 04:00.07 | macdonalder | correct |
| 04:00.14 | yyl | Hi ! Every body , I got a FreeRunner Dboard, and how do I start...?? |
| 04:00.17 | AntonTakk | SirBob1701: ASU is pre alpha, those of us who choose to use it should be aware of the implications of that and be willing to accept the consequences :) - ime the asu kb is finicky, sometimes goes away for no aparent reason, just have to cancel out and get back in ime |
| 04:00.17 | jeffszusz | blinks at canuckistan |
| 04:00.18 | doc|home | macdonalder: wussing out? ;) nah, just joking. |
| 04:00.26 | Chocky | laffs |
| 04:00.39 | Chocky | Canadiania |
| 04:00.40 | doc|home | I can say that, I live there :) |
| 04:00.45 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: it hasn't even shown up for me yet at all |
| 04:00.45 | jeffszusz | lol |
| 04:00.47 | macdonalder | doc|home: haha yeah, can't handle the openness |
| 04:00.52 | doc|home | bwahaha |
| 04:00.52 | macdonalder | it's just too extreme for me |
| 04:00.58 | doc|home | s/openness/brokenness :) |
| 04:01.04 | macdonalder | heh |
| 04:01.11 | macdonalder | they're synonymous? |
| 04:01.14 | macdonalder | :P |
| 04:01.20 | adsllc | doc|home: That explains the CAD pricing. :) I also see that newegg 8G are class 4 instead of the class 6 4G. |
| 04:01.25 | doc|home | macdonalder: hehe |
| 04:01.27 | mmontour | doc|home: www.dealextreme.com has an 8G Sandisk uSD for $39.41 and they claim worldwide free shipping |
| 04:01.31 | doc|home | adsllc: hmmm |
| 04:01.34 | AntonTakk | SirBob1701: it only appears at certain times, composing a sms/e-mail, folling in a field for a contact, etc |
| 04:01.37 | doc|home | mmontour: oh, nice |
| 04:01.38 | peepsalot | adsllc, what's the class mean? |
| 04:01.45 | adsllc | Speed. |
| 04:01.48 | doc|home | mmontour: it gets bonus marks for being sandisk too |
| 04:01.48 | peepsalot | ah |
| 04:02.01 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: ya when i'm in the sms composing with the text cursor blinking it doesn't show up |
| 04:02.17 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: trying another reboot |
| 04:02.25 | AntonTakk | try touching the very bottom middle of the screen with a stylus? |
| 04:02.27 | peepsalot | so how do you translate class numbers into some meaningful measurement of speed? |
| 04:02.45 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: ok |
| 04:02.45 | macdonalder | doc|home really just needs the 8GB for all the ascii porn he intends to keep on it |
| 04:02.47 | doc|home | peepsalot: higher class = faster |
| 04:02.54 | doc|home | higher number that is |
| 04:02.59 | Hydrant | what's the best way to put music onto the phone? just via the sd card ? |
| 04:03.00 | rivalarrival | oooh, ascii porn. That's nasty. :-) |
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| 04:03.14 | doc|home | macdonalder: ascii porn on a 300dpi screen? are you insane? proper jpegs damn it! |
| 04:03.19 | mmontour | I want a card big enough for Mokopedia |
| 04:03.21 | Iinfinyte | Hrm, my web browser won't uhh.. Go anywhere. >_> |
| 04:03.23 | AntonTakk | doc|home: what class can saturate the shares 7m bus? :) |
| 04:03.31 | doc|home | AntonTakk: class 0 :) |
| 04:03.36 | peepsalot | doc|home, sure, but there must be some point where the speed is faster than the freerunner bus handles, no? |
| 04:03.51 | doc|home | peepsalot: most likely, but is the freerunner the last phone you'll ever buy? |
| 04:03.58 | Chocky | |
| 04:04.01 | Chocky | could be :p |
| 04:04.06 | doc|home | heh |
| 04:04.07 | rivalarrival | Nah, the damn thing will be dead in 2 years. :) |
| 04:04.12 | AntonTakk | doc|home: guess there's no point in getting faster, unless you intend to load it via computer/laptop |
| 04:04.13 | peepsalot | doc|home, i will likely get a new sd card before i get a new phone :-P |
| 04:04.43 | doc|home | mmontour: hmm, seems to be class 4 :/ |
| 04:05.33 | AntonTakk | doc|home: nope, i intend to upgrade my cell phone when OM makes improved hardware available ;) |
| 04:05.35 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: nope doesn't show up |
| 04:05.38 | adsllc | doc|home: But by the time he buys a new phone, 8G of flash will cost about $3.50. |
| 04:05.53 | Hydrant | doc|home: tigerdirect has micro sd |
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| 04:05.59 | Hydrant | doc|home: not such a good deal though |
| 04:06.22 | adsllc | I can give you a good deal on some write-only memory... |
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| 04:06.50 | AntonTakk | SirBob1701: hrm, odd |
| 04:07.12 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: i'm using Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080718-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 04:07.15 | AntonTakk | SirBob1701: try doing a contact yet? activating one of the fields tends to bring the kb up |
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| 04:07.29 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: i'll try it |
| 04:07.31 | Hydrant | can I take out the sim card / sd card while the phones on ? |
| 04:07.35 | AntonTakk | SirBob1701: ah, i'm using the one from the 15th, let me check |
| 04:07.35 | Hydrant | probably not I guess |
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| 04:08.04 | AntonTakk | Hydrant: technically possible if powering the phone over usb, maybe not a good idea thou? |
| 04:08.24 | daMaestro | anyone have a link i can link to regarding when the next production run will be available for shipping? |
| 04:08.26 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: ya no keyboard in contact |
| 04:09.03 | AntonTakk | SirBob1701: i'm using asu daily from 2008-07-15, might flash that image and give it a try |
| 04:09.14 | adsllc | daMaestro: http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner says near the bottom they expect the next shipment on 7-25. |
| 04:09.18 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: I shoudl flash to that? |
| 04:09.19 | mmontour | daMaestro: there are probably some devices in transit to the distributors, but I wouldn't expect any firm dates for new production until some of the current hardware issues are better understood |
| 04:09.24 | AntonTakk | kb is finicky, and sometimes runs away for no aparent reason, but at least it is there :) |
| 04:09.30 | daMaestro | i'm just writing up a blog |
| 04:09.49 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: ok where can i dl it? |
| 04:09.59 | doc|home | Hydrant: looked at them before, didn't buy from them for some reason. too expensive or also don't deliver deliver to canuckistan perhaps? |
| 04:10.08 | AntonTakk | SirBob1701: eh, same place you got 20080717? |
| 04:10.12 | doc|home | adsllc: that's true :) |
| 04:10.14 | SirBob1701 | ya i see it |
| 04:10.22 | SirBob1701 | wonder if 16 or 17 has the problem lol |
| 04:10.30 | Hydrant | doc|home: tigerdirect is in canada |
| 04:10.38 | doc|home | oh, well, yeah! |
| 04:10.41 | doc|home | so, yeah! |
| 04:10.46 | doc|home | gets back in his box |
| 04:11.09 | AntonTakk | daMaestro: picked up a freerunner yet? :) |
| 04:12.05 | Hydrant | oh I was asked, is the FR so-called multi-touch? I mean, could you do something like on the iphone to resize the browser where you spread two fingers out ? |
| 04:12.18 | AntonTakk | Hydrant: no |
| 04:12.21 | adsllc | Hydrant: Nope. Hardware can't do it. |
| 04:12.21 | doc|home | nope |
| 04:12.29 | Hydrant | hrrm, too bad |
| 04:12.36 | daMaestro | AntonTakk, http://blogs.fedoraunity.org/damaestro/openmoko-freerunner ;-) |
| 04:12.37 | AntonTakk | not imho |
| 04:12.48 | doc|home | Hydrant: but it's uber high res, which makes for sharper text, droolworthy! |
| 04:12.50 | peepsalot | is the uboot menu configurable similar to grub? |
| 04:13.07 | Hydrant | I know it's high res, but it's still a pain in the arse to type on without a stylus |
| 04:13.29 | mmontour | It's configurable - menu items are environment variables containing a sequence of u-boot commands |
| 04:13.41 | adsllc | daMaestro: You mean 7-25, not 7-24, right? |
| 04:13.47 | daMaestro | gah |
| 04:14.11 | adsllc | daMaestro: typical blog.... :) |
| 04:14.36 | daMaestro | corrects |
| 04:14.39 | peepsalot | mmontour, where are the env vars loaded from? |
| 04:14.45 | AntonTakk | daMaestro: nice, i'm very happy with mine and asu, a bit slugish, perhaps, but already more stable than my wmp6 phone :) |
| 04:15.06 | mmontour | there's a u-boot_env partition on the flash |
| 04:15.43 | mmontour | Wiki "Bootloader_environment" has details |
| 04:16.15 | AntonTakk | anyone know if the ink pen in the fancy stylus is refillable? |
| 04:16.55 | adsllc | AntonTakk: Dunno - but I'm willing to break it to find out... ::checking:: |
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| 04:17.29 | peepsalot | i don't understand the purpose behind having two uboots |
| 04:17.51 | AntonTakk | peepsalot: you can't wear one uboot on two feet! :) |
| 04:18.03 | mmontour | peepsalot: the NOR lets you recover if you screw up and flash a non-working one to NAND |
| 04:18.16 | daMaestro | *without a debug board |
| 04:18.24 | daMaestro | aka NOR == saves $100 |
| 04:18.27 | daMaestro | ;-) |
| 04:18.39 | mmontour | yeah |
| 04:18.49 | adsllc | AntonTakk: It looks like - yes. Grab the knurled tip and pull straight out. |
| 04:19.11 | adsllc | AntonTakk: Then pull the pen portion out. |
| 04:19.28 | daMaestro | AntonTakk, yeah.. the asu seemed to run better (visually) on the gta01 then on the gta02.. but that is likely just a software issue |
| 04:19.43 | peepsalot | daMaestro, you mean for flashing uboot itself? |
| 04:19.51 | AntonTakk | adsllc: sweet |
| 04:19.59 | AntonTakk | wonder where to buy replacements |
| 04:20.20 | adsllc | AntonTakk: I assume any office supply store - it doesn't seem very technical. |
| 04:20.35 | AntonTakk | true, looks rather generic, in fact |
| 04:20.47 | adsllc | AntonTakk: I prefer "open". |
| 04:21.09 | AntonTakk | ok, that's fair :) |
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| 04:21.47 | daMaestro | wow, the asu actually makes phone calls and doesn't crash |
| 04:22.23 | adsllc | AntonTakk: Now available - the OpenMoko stylus - with the patented "Just jam it in there" tip! |
| 04:22.50 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 04:23.05 | AntonTakk | daMaestro: hehe |
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| 04:23.14 | adsllc | AntonTakk: The plastic stylus is also removable in case you wear that out... |
| 04:23.37 | AntonTakk | wear out the plastic stylus.....how? chewing on it? |
| 04:23.47 | SirBob1701 | i don't want to see the screen if you wear out the stylus on it |
| 04:24.02 | adsllc | AntonTakk: <sarcasm> |
| 04:24.10 | AntonTakk | SirBob1701: invisible shield++ ;) |
| 04:24.20 | AntonTakk | wear out as many styli tips as you want |
| 04:24.22 | SirBob1701 | o where did you get that? |
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| 04:24.54 | AntonTakk | SirBob1701: haven't yet, goping to thou, was mentioned in the community list - zagg.com, i think |
| 04:25.08 | SirBob1701 | huh i'll have to keep an eye out |
| 04:25.31 | adsllc | AntonTakk: I've considered the shield, but I don't want any extra glare. Since I know the screen is replaceable (and I'm just as likely to crack it as scratch it) I plan on just replacing it. |
| 04:25.51 | AntonTakk | screen is replaceable? |
| 04:25.56 | SpeedEvil | why do you think the screen is replacable? |
| 04:25.59 | SpeedEvil | It's not. |
| 04:26.04 | SpeedEvil | It's glued onto the PCB. |
| 04:26.08 | adsllc | http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/openmoko-neo-freerunner-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php |
| 04:26.25 | Hydrant | alright, I got some music to play on the phone.. for a song |
| 04:26.26 | adsllc | SpeedEvil: Oh, well, I just assumed... bad idea I guess. |
| 04:26.29 | Hydrant | then it screwed up |
| 04:26.50 | Hydrant | I might get an 8GB micro SD card, then have my own little iphone thingee |
| 04:27.31 | Hydrant | alright, off to bed |
| 04:27.32 | Hydrant | night |
| 04:27.35 | adsllc | night |
| 04:27.40 | AntonTakk | adsllc: i have almost that much glare with just the plastic film that shipped on the screen |
| 04:27.58 | AntonTakk | for the added protection - totally worth it |
| 04:28.10 | daMaestro | adsllc, i assume that the full body includes the screen? |
| 04:28.13 | retracile | Anyone here using the ASU nightly builds? |
| 04:28.15 | adsllc | SpeedEvil: Define "glue". Is this the "easily comes off with a hair dryer" glue or the "Aviation Grade Epoxy" glue? |
| 04:28.23 | AntonTakk | also, i'm anally carefull about my touch screen devices :) |
| 04:28.23 | SpeedEvil | adsllc: dunno |
| 04:28.31 | daMaestro | retracile, i just booted the 20080717 build |
| 04:28.49 | retracile | daMaestro: any first impressions? |
| 04:29.00 | adsllc | SpeedEvil: Do you remember where you saw that it was glued on? I'm curious. |
| 04:29.08 | AntonTakk | retracile: i'm using the build from 20080715, works fine, except the image viewer |
| 04:29.27 | AntonTakk | been using it for three days, in fact |
| 04:29.43 | daMaestro | retracile, it's the asu? still needs work |
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| 04:29.52 | SpeedEvil | adsllc: however - you're wrong about glare - shields with silicone gel backings - like the one I'm trying to sell occasionally, and mean to put up on ebay - do not have any gap between the front of the touchscreen and the back of the protector - the gel glues itself (removably) to the screen. |
| 04:30.09 | SpeedEvil | adsllc: community? mailing list perhaps march? |
| 04:30.13 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rb452a8975d7d 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: ogpsd: Implement message handling |
| 04:30.13 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * ra4e40f656ca3 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: ogpsd: Enable important NAV messages |
| 04:30.16 | daMaestro | AntonTakk, are you using the zagg cover? |
| 04:30.20 | SpeedEvil | adsllc: it was a discussion about spares. |
| 04:30.39 | adsllc | SpeedEvil: The community list re: the sheild I read said that it increased glare slightly, but livable. |
| 04:30.55 | SpeedEvil | adsllc: the one I have has made no visible difference. |
| 04:30.58 | retracile | daMaestro: any specifics? |
| 04:31.03 | SpeedEvil | (to my GTA01) |
| 04:31.30 | adsllc | SpeedEvil: Noted - thanks! |
| 04:31.47 | retracile | AntonTakk: how well does it work as a phone? |
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| 04:32.16 | SpeedEvil | is offering screen protectors for $5 shipped - msg me if interested. |
| 04:33.04 | daMaestro | retracile, it works better then expected? but still has a long way to go.. |
| 04:33.13 | retracile | heh :) |
| 04:33.36 | retracile | daMaestro: does it have a half-way-decent keyboard? |
| 04:34.19 | retracile | ... and what is the difference between the jffs2's labeled with 'devel' vs 'qtopia-x11'? |
| 04:34.54 | daMaestro | i've not used the keyboard yet |
| 04:35.10 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: If i follow wiki instructions to install tango on asu do i have to do anything extra to get a desktop icon? |
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| 04:36.00 | kd8ikt | cool i got tango gps working |
| 04:36.12 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: :) |
| 04:36.15 | SirBob1701 | kd8ikt: 2007.2 or ASU ? |
| 04:36.16 | kd8ikt | i think i'm the only dot in USA |
| 04:36.27 | kd8ikt | ugh OM |
| 04:36.36 | kd8ikt | 2007 heavy tweaked |
| 04:36.39 | kd8ikt | new kernel |
| 04:36.55 | kd8ikt | pkg upgrades misc custom stuff |
| 04:37.00 | ieatlint | stop trying to look at my dot |
| 04:37.00 | Stroller | You got tango gps working? That's not such a big deal, kd8ikt. C'mon - all you had to do was remove the DScard |
| 04:37.04 | kd8ikt | sd card is in also |
| 04:37.05 | Stroller | SDcard |
| 04:37.08 | Stroller | oooh! |
| 04:37.12 | Stroller | looks impressed |
| 04:37.16 | Stroller | I take it all back |
| 04:37.20 | SirBob1701 | kd8ikt: what did you do? |
| 04:37.25 | Stroller | What image / kernel is that, then? |
| 04:37.35 | kd8ikt | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080718/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 04:37.51 | adsllc | That one's working fine for me. |
| 04:37.53 | kd8ikt | though i dont have anything on the card |
| 04:38.18 | adsllc | I've got the latest tangogps with it's map cache on my sd card and it worked dandy. |
| 04:38.33 | kd8ikt | oh yea? i need to do that |
| 04:39.50 | adsllc | Once you get the latest installed from tangogps.org and change the cache dir, the only trick is that it give you no download progress. |
| 04:40.20 | adsllc | I had it connected via USB and watched the network activity on my host system to know when it was done... |
| 04:40.20 | josch | mmontour, which language? |
| 04:40.20 | Stroller | Cool! |
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| 04:40.53 | mmontour | josch: for mokopedia? english |
| 04:40.58 | AntonTakk | SirBob1701: wiki instructions for tangogps on asu? link please! |
| 04:41.17 | kd8ikt | 255m altitude |
| 04:41.18 | SirBob1701 | no i mean the standard instructions |
| 04:41.19 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 04:41.55 | SpeedEvil | adsllc: I think the latest version has a linumber for download queue |
| 04:42.24 | Stroller | So kd8ikt, is that a 2007.2 image, or ASU? |
| 04:42.33 | AntonTakk | SirBob1701: when i tried tango on asu it was horible ugly, and complained alot about dbus and such |
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| 04:42.46 | kd8ikt | i only flashed the kernel... i just got it today |
| 04:43.33 | kd8ikt | and i think there is a glitch with the power manegment menu, cause dim/nolock actually dim/locks |
| 04:43.57 | kd8ikt | while dim/lock puts into a comma |
| 04:44.47 | retracile | kd8ikt: Wow, into a comma? miniturization has come a long way! ;) |
| 04:45.00 | Stroller | lol |
| 04:45.12 | Stroller | Maybe it's like a 128 point font? |
| 04:45.14 | cjb | hm, how do kernel modules on FR work? |
| 04:45.23 | cjb | if I install: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080718/uImage-2.6.24+git21+642cbda5f3b7e7a61512426e1d30a41ab4691123-r0-om-gta02.bin |
| 04:45.36 | cjb | do I need a set of modules from somewhere, and if so, where do I install them? |
| 04:46.02 | kd8ikt | 9though last boot sound seems to have died |
| 04:46.09 | josch | mmontour, after this weekend i may tell you how big enwiki will get ;) |
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| 04:48.09 | adsllc | kd8ikt: The sound does not survive a suspend on a default image. |
| 04:48.26 | AntonTakk | welp, night all |
| 04:48.27 | kd8ikt | has for me a few times |
| 04:48.34 | AntonTakk | got work in the morning :) |
| 04:48.35 | mmontour | I hope that it will fit on an 8G with enough room left over for all of my other stuff. |
| 04:48.46 | Stroller | cjb: good question. Why's no-one answering??!?!? |
| 04:49.22 | AntonTakk | i have not needed to install modules with any of the flashing i have done |
| 04:49.26 | peepsalot | i try untarring an image, and I get all these messages like ./dev/hda8 tar: ./dev/hda8: Cannot mknod: Operation not permitted |
| 04:49.34 | kd8ikt | something is wrong sound is dead |
| 04:50.01 | kd8ikt | only comming through headphones |
| 04:50.13 | ajbrun | hey all - anyone got their invisible sheild for their free runner yet?\ |
| 04:50.14 | kd8ikt | there we go |
| 04:50.27 | Stroller | ajbrun: no |
| 04:50.35 | ajbrun | k :p |
| 04:50.41 | kd8ikt | pluged/unplungered her |
| 04:50.42 | Stroller | Maybe all the modules in the root FS are compatible with different kernels |
| 04:50.47 | cjb | kd8ikt: how about you, did you need to flash modules? |
| 04:50.48 | mmontour | peepsalot: are you un-tarring as root? |
| 04:50.50 | dcordes_ | ajbrun: hi |
| 04:50.54 | Marcel_M | cjb there is a modules.tgz with all the modules from the kernel, if you use an image from the same dir some of the modules (not all) are in the image |
| 04:50.58 | kd8ikt | nope |
| 04:51.03 | kd8ikt | no modules for me |
| 04:51.03 | ajbrun | think i'll be ordering the screen only one when i get round to it then unless someone says the other one is amazing |
| 04:51.07 | SirBob1701 | how do you get a gpe application to show up in the menu on asu. and why the hell don't these things have find or locate on them? |
| 04:51.08 | kd8ikt | i want ipv6 though |
| 04:51.11 | daMaestro | 20% off invisible shield for the freerunner: s4yxbq v7tg94 |
| 04:51.20 | cjb | Marcel_M: oh, that's interesting. but I don't see one of those in: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080718/ |
| 04:51.20 | peepsalot | mmontour, yeah just realized that i wasn't. thanks |
| 04:51.25 | daMaestro | each of those codes are one time use, so if it doesn't work... sorry |
| 04:51.26 | cjb | oops, yes I do: |
| 04:51.30 | Marcel_M | but i dont know if they fit into the flash |
| 04:51.31 | cjb | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080718/modules-2.6.24+git21+642cbda5f3b7e7a61512426e1d30a41ab4691123-r0-om-gta02.tgz |
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| 04:51.40 | Marcel_M | jo |
| 04:51.45 | mmontour | The rootfs has some important modules (like sound) already installed. Others are available as .ipks |
| 04:51.48 | daMaestro | Dave, ping |
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| 04:51.53 | linuxxr | cts like it has a root password |
| 04:52.05 | cjb | ok! so, I guess it's usual to flash the uImage into the kernel partition and then unpack the others, maybe onto the NAND? it seems to have lots of space free. |
| 04:52.11 | linuxxr | acts like it has a root password? |
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| 04:52.39 | linuxxr | is the root password empty i guess? |
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| 04:52.45 | daMaestro | linuxxr, yes |
| 04:52.52 | cjb | mmontour: Right, but I'm upgrading to a new rootfs and kernel, and want to know how to match them up. |
| 04:53.07 | linuxxr | i try to ssh an it says wrong pass |
| 04:53.35 | Railer | can you ssh in the system from windows? |
| 04:53.42 | linuxxr | ssh root@192.168.0.202 |
| 04:53.48 | linuxxr | not tried |
| 04:54.19 | mmontour | the best way is to get a rootfs and kernel that were built together. |
| 04:54.27 | linuxxr | its 202 correct? |
| 04:54.39 | adsllc | yes |
| 04:54.42 | linuxxr | not 200 |
| 04:54.51 | adsllc | 200 should be the host computer |
| 04:55.23 | kd8ikt | is it just me or does the dialers sound level not work |
| 04:55.31 | kd8ikt | like i cant turn the volume up |
| 04:55.37 | kd8ikt | it just stays the same |
| 04:55.51 | adsllc | You can try to reset the root password using "passwd" from the terminal. That will either fix it or break it worse. :) |
| 04:56.02 | adsllc | kd8ikt: There is no working on-screen volume control |
| 04:56.12 | kd8ikt | shh my passwd is moko |
| 04:56.20 | kd8ikt | dont tell anyone |
| 04:56.38 | SirBob1701 | how do you get a gtk application to show up in the menu on asu? |
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| 04:57.23 | adsllc | kd8ikt: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Adjusting_the_Volume |
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| 04:57.55 | adsllc | kd8ikt: You should really give that whole page a good read. |
| 04:58.35 | Stroller | Very NSFW: http://www.cakefarts.com/ |
| 04:58.53 | kd8ikt | hey screw that how do i change my ringtone and click beep |
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| 05:01.32 | goldenhawk | My freerunner has arrived, and I'm trying to figure out if it has the GPS defect. I installed 'GPS Sight', and it's giving me altitude, and a line is showing up in my 'path', but it says 'nan' for the latitude and longitude and I've been waiting for a while. |
| 05:01.56 | kd8ikt | in SS "signal strenght" |
| 05:02.05 | Stroller | goldenhawk: have you tried removing the SD card? |
| 05:02.06 | kd8ikt | i want ipv6 thoughs you see? |
| 05:02.17 | kd8ikt | how many sats do you see i mean |
| 05:02.18 | cjb | Is the problem with having to erase rootfs before flashing a larger (or was it smaller?) one still present? |
| 05:02.28 | peepsalot | woot i'm booting qtopia from microsd |
| 05:02.36 | goldenhawk | Stroller: There's no SD card. A sim card is in it. |
| 05:02.41 | goldenhawk | But no SD card |
| 05:02.57 | cjb | goldenhawk: I suggest the agpstool, it's easy to understand. |
| 05:03.04 | kd8ikt | Stroller: did you try that latest kernel? |
| 05:03.13 | Stroller | kd8ikt: naw, not yet |
| 05:03.13 | cjb | is about to try it |
| 05:03.17 | kd8ikt | ugh |
| 05:03.24 | adsllc | goldenhawk: GPS Sight has a number of bugs. Use the agpstool. |
| 05:03.31 | MadTBone | SpeedEvil: how does the screen protector affect touchscreen sensitivity? |
| 05:03.33 | Stroller | I'm not gonna until I've finished this work I'm procrastinating over |
| 05:03.37 | goldenhawk | adsllc Okay |
| 05:03.41 | Stroller | I'm not gonna tinker too much until I've finished this work I'm procrastinating over |
| 05:04.05 | adsllc | goldenhawk: If you just got the phone and you haven't updated the kernel - you have the bug. |
| 05:04.21 | mmontour | cjb: that was fixed a long time ago |
| 05:04.28 | Stroller | `opkg upgrade` got me a July 16th kernel, anyway |
| 05:04.40 | kd8ikt | love how all my sim's contacts are read |
| 05:04.53 | goldenhawk | adsllc: The problems with the GPS have to do with a kerel bug? I heard things about an antenna problem |
| 05:05.01 | kd8ikt | i started calling everyone in my phonebook |
| 05:05.43 | Stroller | goldenhawk: read link in /topic |
| 05:05.44 | adsllc | goldenhawk: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
| 05:05.57 | goldenhawk | Thanks ^.^ |
| 05:06.25 | goldenhawk | ... ? |
| 05:06.33 | goldenhawk | I have no SD card inserted |
| 05:06.40 | cjb | mmontour: great, okay |
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| 05:07.04 | adsllc | goldenhawk: A small number of people may have had an antenna problem, but most are due to electrical interference between the SD card and the GPS. The updated kernel works around this by disabling the SD clock pin when possible. |
| 05:07.07 | cjb | mmontour: sorry, the last time I used a Neo was GTA01v2 :) |
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| 05:07.23 | goldenhawk | adsllc: Thanks :) |
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| 05:07.26 | adsllc | goldenhawk: Then your GPS should work great. |
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| 05:07.48 | mmontour | wow. makes me feel like a noob with my GTA01Bv4 |
| 05:09.22 | retracile | The ASU booting image made me laugh. :D |
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| 05:10.58 | kd8ikt | you have to manually enable gprs right? |
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| 05:11.30 | cjb | kd8ikt: yeah, see the wiki page |
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| 05:11.37 | cjb | kd8ikt: you have to set up pppd, looks like |
| 05:11.40 | adsllc | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS |
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| 05:13.13 | kd8ikt | cool cause i dont want to use it (cost to much for me) |
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| 05:13.27 | kd8ikt | they charge by kb |
| 05:13.31 | peepsalot | given an identical image, is it faster to boot from internal flash or microSD? |
| 05:13.44 | kd8ikt | my bet internal |
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| 05:14.15 | goldenhawk | adsllc: Where can I find agpstool? |
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| 05:14.26 | cjb | goldenhawk: opkg install agpstool, I think |
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| 05:14.46 | adsllc | goldenhawk: It's called Openmoko AGPS UI on the menu. |
| 05:14.58 | cjb | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Howto_Test_Your_GPS_with_agpsui |
| 05:15.03 | cjb | opkg install openmoko-agpsui |
| 05:15.21 | dTx | I got 200 failed tests when I ran that |
| 05:15.25 | dTx | not one connected |
| 05:15.31 | cjb | dTx: that's not so abnormal |
| 05:15.34 | adsllc | 'opkg install openmoko-agpsui" == agpstool |
| 05:15.37 | doc|home | anyone got a comparison table for images? |
| 05:15.40 | cjb | dTx: it takes about that long |
| 05:15.49 | cjb | doc|home: you could read the ars review |
| 05:16.00 | goldenhawk | I presume that will need me to get the phone on the internet? *hack tweak poke* ^.^ |
| 05:16.01 | cjb | http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/open-moko-software.ars |
| 05:16.03 | dTx | should I do the opkg update && opkg upgrade |
| 05:16.06 | doc|home | ah, here it is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 05:16.12 | doc|home | cjb: thanks! |
| 05:16.34 | dTx | Is the repo in a stable state? |
| 05:16.36 | cjb | dTx: just opkg update && opkg install openmoko-agpsui is fine |
| 05:16.54 | dTx | well, but just in general |
| 05:17.05 | dTx | will it be more stable? |
| 05:17.05 | adsllc | I did it with no regrets. |
| 05:17.21 | dTx | also why is the calendar grayed out? |
| 05:17.31 | adsllc | Just do it from the phone and not via SSH. It will drop all SSH connections in the middle and make you grumble. |
| 05:17.35 | cjb | I decided to flash a later rootfs instead, I guess |
| 05:17.38 | adsllc | g'nite all |
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| 05:17.47 | dTx | I run all that from inside screen anyway |
| 05:18.21 | Stroller | adsllc: alternatively one can ssh in, run screen & do the whole update. Just ssh back in & `screen -Rd` when the connection is dropped |
| 05:18.47 | dTx | I find that the ssh session is never completely dropped for some reason when using screen |
| 05:18.52 | dTx | I don't know why |
| 05:18.57 | dTx | even on sshd restarts |
| 05:19.00 | rivalarrival | AHHHHHHH!!!! |
| 05:19.07 | rivalarrival | sorry, |
| 05:19.14 | rivalarrival | just had to get that off my chest/ |
| 05:19.54 | dTx | so why is the calendar app grayed out? |
| 05:20.01 | cjb | anyone know how to get around the signature verification failurs with opkg? |
| 05:20.07 | dTx | it works anyway |
| 05:20.16 | rivalarrival | cjb: Death threats? |
| 05:20.22 | dTx | sig verification doesn't stop updating |
| 05:20.27 | cjb | ok |
| 05:20.39 | rivalarrival | If the answer isn't "death threats", I'm pretty much useless... |
| 05:20.41 | dTx | according to the wiki that is :-P |
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| 05:24.27 | cjb | sees the "Booting" screen :) |
| 05:24.37 | cjb | man, tangogps is awesome |
| 05:24.55 | dTx | anyone know why my volume is so low? |
| 05:24.57 | cjb | I wanna send them money. If this were an iPhone app, they'd be getting shareware registrations all over the place. |
| 05:25.44 | walrustown | weeeehoooooooo! cross compiling works |
| 05:25.47 | dTx | everybody says I sound muffled |
| 05:27.23 | kd8ikt | /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/touchscreen_click.wav |
| 05:27.26 | kd8ikt | MUWAHAHA |
| 05:27.41 | rivalarrival | Replace that with the sound of silence? |
| 05:27.55 | doc|home | hmmm, anyone want to update http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions with battery life comparisons |
| 05:28.15 | kd8ikt | NAH with something more annoying http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/communicator.mp3 |
| 05:28.57 | rivalarrival | How about cymbals crashing? |
| 05:29.15 | doc|home | kd8ikt: that is waaaay more annoying |
| 05:30.24 | rivalarrival | replace it with SimonAndGarfunkle-Sound-of-silence.wav |
| 05:30.55 | dTx | replace it with the most annoying sound in the world from Dumb and Dumber |
| 05:30.56 | rivalarrival | or, better yet, porno-moan.wav |
| 05:31.29 | doc|home | not sure I want to listen to uuh uuh uuh uuh every time I use my phone |
| 05:31.59 | dTx | replace it with a 2600hz tone |
| 05:32.37 | dTx | you'd be l337 |
| 05:32.42 | cjb | odd, with the latest 2007.2 I get "modem power up failed" from libgsmtool |
| 05:32.42 | rivalarrival | How about a guy with a mexican accent saying "Cleek" every time? |
| 05:33.11 | rivalarrival | WTF. Boots on the booting screen? |
| 05:33.20 | cjb | rivalarrival: funny, huh? |
| 05:33.35 | rivalarrival | puts on his robe and wizard hat |
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| 05:36.05 | cjb | hm. "Modem power-up failed: 10". :( |
| 05:37.14 | rivalarrival | Why does it tell me every 10 seconds or so that it's connected? |
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| 05:39.05 | ieatlint | tests showed every 5 seconds got annoying |
| 05:39.06 | cjb | gah! same after reboot |
| 05:39.18 | cjb | anyone else running latest 2007.2? |
| 05:39.24 | cjb | maybe gsmd is broken? |
| 05:39.31 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: heh. |
| 05:39.46 | cjb | or, is there a kernel module associated with the GSM at all? |
| 05:40.02 | goldenhawk | Sweet. Thanks for your help with the GPS thing. |
| 05:40.07 | rivalarrival | this SMS app on ASU? Yeah, take that guy out back and shoot him. |
| 05:40.18 | goldenhawk | 52 seconds to first fix and it gives me long and lat |
| 05:40.30 | mmontour | cjb: no kernel module, it's just a serial port. Try a complete power cycle (disconnect usb and battery) |
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| 05:41.03 | cjb | mmontour: *nod* |
| 05:41.41 | ieatlint | well, there is a way to power up the modem through /sys |
| 05:41.53 | ieatlint | echo "1" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on |
| 05:41.56 | kd8ikt | not as bad as this dork i saw with a laptop sitting in a waiting room with his damn lame sounds one was probably windows critical alert that was a baby crying i wanted to beat his head in |
| 05:42.41 | Railer | hey whats the default root when sshing in? |
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| 05:43.06 | dTx | enter |
| 05:43.53 | Railer | ya no luck |
| 05:44.08 | Railer | permission denied try again |
| 05:44.11 | peepsalot | don't type "enter", just leave it blank and hit enter |
| 05:44.23 | kd8ikt | hard return |
| 05:44.30 | Railer | ya no didnt work |
| 05:44.42 | kd8ikt | ssh root@openmoko |
| 05:44.47 | kd8ikt | make sure your root |
| 05:44.53 | kd8ikt | or logging in as |
| 05:45.06 | kd8ikt | common fuckup |
| 05:45.19 | kelvie | anyone good with SVN? |
| 05:45.29 | kelvie | the mokomakefile build fails because the certificate retrieval fails at one point |
| 05:45.34 | Railer | ok |
| 05:45.44 | cjb | kelvie: you can run the svn command manually, and add the cert for the future |
| 05:45.44 | kelvie | and I don't get the option to accept the certificate as it is not interactive |
| 05:45.54 | kelvie | cjb: where is it added? |
| 05:45.58 | Railer | thanks yes I fucked it up |
| 05:46.01 | kelvie | I did run it manually.. I don't know where to check out the sources to though |
| 05:46.03 | cjb | kelvie: right; if you run it at a terminal, you can choose to accept. I guess it goes in .svn when you do that. |
| 05:46.09 | kelvie | cjb: it does not :( |
| 05:46.09 | cjb | kelvie: no, that's not necessary |
| 05:46.18 | kelvie | it still goes to that step, and fails |
| 05:46.19 | cjb | kelvie: once you've accepted it once, it should work non-interactively the next time |
| 05:46.22 | cjb | hmph |
| 05:46.25 | cjb | doesn't do that for me |
| 05:46.34 | kelvie | even when I try to checkout a second time somewhere else, it fails |
| 05:46.36 | cjb | were there two options, of the form "accept once", or "accept forever"? |
| 05:46.43 | cjb | weird. |
| 05:46.43 | kelvie | yep, permanetly accept the cert |
| 05:46.44 | kelvie | which I did |
| 05:46.50 | kelvie | no files in ~/.svn changed |
| 05:46.58 | cjb | something's messed up there. you could strace -eopen svn co ... |
| 05:47.19 | thewtex | what kind of shell does it use |
| 05:47.27 | peepsalot | man flashing the internal flash is slowww |
| 05:47.28 | thewtex | not bash, but .. |
| 05:47.31 | cjb | thewtex: the fr? sh and busybox. |
| 05:47.33 | cjb | peepsalot: yeah |
| 05:47.57 | peepsalot | so has anyone multi-booted? |
| 05:48.02 | thewtex | cjb: if I login to ssh, I get busybox? |
| 05:48.07 | peepsalot | aka > 2 boot images |
| 05:48.10 | cjb | thewtex: yup. |
| 05:48.16 | cjb | thewtex: busybox acting as sh, I believe. |
| 05:48.34 | cjb | when you type "cp" or "ps" or whatever, they're just aliases to busybox |
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| 05:48.47 | cjb | and busybox looks at what command it was invoked as, and acts accordingly |
| 05:48.57 | kelvie | cjb: ah.. ~/.subversion was owned by... root |
| 05:49.03 | thewtex | cjb: interesting |
| 05:49.03 | cjb | kelvie: d'oh! |
| 05:49.12 | cjb | kelvie: glad you got it fixed, anyway |
| 05:49.13 | thewtex | examines busybox --help |
| 05:49.18 | kelvie | cjb: I have a feeling Portage did that.. but thanks for your help :) |
| 05:50.08 | kelvie | grumbles on how the world should just use git regardless |
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| 05:50.49 | kd8ikt | hm noone has ported a paint app |
| 05:51.06 | mmontour | peepsalot: you should be able to multi-boot more than 2 images if you put extra partitions on the SD-card |
| 05:51.14 | kelvie | on that note, anyone have PyQt working on the freerunner? |
| 05:51.15 | kd8ikt | touchscreen!? |
| 05:51.37 | dTx | need gimp |
| 05:51.45 | kd8ikt | overkill |
| 05:51.48 | kd8ikt | tuxpaint? |
| 05:52.08 | Railer | hey I can shh root in fine but still no internet on the FR for doing updates, any suggestions? |
| 05:52.10 | SpeedEvil | There was one on 2007.2 IIRC |
| 05:52.17 | SpeedEvil | tries to remember the name. |
| 05:52.52 | MadTBone | anyone using the full keyboard found here http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15 ??? |
| 05:53.02 | kelvie | cjb: oh and I assume that's a common problem with the MokoMakeFile? the cert not being accepted? |
| 05:53.08 | kelvie | if it is, I'm adding it to the wiki |
| 05:53.09 | cjb | Railer: you might need to delete your original route |
| 05:53.13 | cjb | kelvie: yup |
| 05:53.21 | cjb | kelvie: common problem with scripted svn in general, really |
| 05:53.35 | peepsalot | mmontour, yeah i guess i still just don't quite get how to change the boot settings, i'll have to play around a bit once this flash is done |
| 05:53.40 | cjb | Railer: route del default; route add default gateway n.n.n.n, where that's your internet gateway |
| 05:53.56 | Railer | ok |
| 05:55.05 | cjb | anyone remember where that freerunner python script lives? |
| 05:55.08 | mmontour | peepsalot: u-boot uses a cmd like "ext2load mmc 1:3" to load from partition 3 of the SD-card. Similarly you would use "root=/dev/mmcblk0p4" to have your rootfs on partition 4. Wiki "Bootloader_environment" for general info on u-boot settings |
| 05:56.45 | kd8ikt | i havent even played with the accellerometers |
| 05:56.58 | kd8ikt | jeez i've been up for like 48hrs straight |
| 05:57.55 | Marcel_M | peepsalot: works fine on the neo (/me is booting from nand, mmcblk0p1 and mmcblk0p2 with mmcblk0p1 as standart) |
| 05:58.22 | peepsalot | standart? |
| 05:58.38 | Marcel_M | instead of nand |
| 05:59.39 | Marcel_M | i wrote what i have done here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Autoboot_from_SDHC |
| 06:00.03 | peepsalot | ah ok |
| 06:00.10 | thewtex | is load average supposed to be about 2.6 even with no apps open |
| 06:00.50 | SpeedEvil | It often is |
| 06:00.52 | cjb | root@om-gta02:~# uptime |
| 06:00.52 | cjb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.08 | thewtex | cjb: what are you running? |
| 06:01.13 | cjb | latest 2007.2 |
| 06:01.25 | thewtex | much better than stock? |
| 06:01.33 | cjb | barely different so far |
| 06:01.34 | thewtex | that is much better |
| 06:01.42 | cjb | gsmd seems possibly flakier |
| 06:01.52 | dTx | anybody know why calendar app is not clickable |
| 06:02.08 | cjb | dTx: is here |
| 06:02.22 | cjb | (upgraded, though) |
| 06:02.47 | thewtex | nice that it comes with gnu screen |
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| 06:03.07 | dTx | I ran opkg update upgrade |
| 06:03.12 | dTx | but still greyed out |
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| 06:09.22 | cjb | I wonder how "dim first, then lock" works. does it actually suspend automatically? |
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| 06:11.33 | kd8ikt | you have to manually enable gprs right?? |
| 06:11.44 | kd8ikt | lreadNYStanaphone |
| 06:11.44 | kd8ikt | (516) 452-5842NYStanaphone |
| 06:11.44 | kd8ikt | (845) 839-8980NYy |
| 06:11.55 | kd8ikt | wtf is wrong with my keyboard |
| 06:12.15 | kd8ikt | anyway i was saying ever call telephreak? |
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| 06:12.56 | kd8ikt | its an asterisk server that has conference |
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| 06:13.13 | kd8ikt | i'm still working on mine but my bandwidth sucks |
| 06:14.12 | cjb | wow, "untangle" is unbearably slow |
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| 06:14.18 | cjb | I think it was faster on gta01? |
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| 06:16.51 | kd8ikt | untangle? |
| 06:17.25 | cjb | one of the game |
| 06:17.26 | cjb | s |
| 06:17.41 | kd8ikt | anything use the acceleromter? |
| 06:18.47 | peepsalot | Marcel_M, how do you run the setenv commands? from a regular console when the device has booted? |
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| 06:18.53 | peepsalot | console over usb? |
| 06:20.16 | Marcel_M | i used minicom on /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 06:20.46 | vpv | neocon is nice too |
| 06:21.09 | peepsalot | what is ttyACM0 ? |
| 06:21.34 | peepsalot | i don't think i have that |
| 06:22.37 | Marcel_M | just boot to nand connect per usb to your host and use a terminal app (minicom,cu, whatever) to /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 06:22.49 | Marcel_M | on the host |
| 06:22.50 | mmontour | peepsalot: it should appear when the neo is in the u-boot menu (and it goes away when linux boots). If not check that you have the cdc_acm module on your host PC |
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| 06:23.02 | peepsalot | ah ok |
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| 06:23.50 | Marcel_M | peepsalot: and dont c&p |
| 06:24.11 | peepsalot | i'll make a note of this and try tomorrow. i have to get to bed now |
| 06:24.22 | Marcel_M | c&p never worked for me in the bootloader |
| 06:24.30 | peepsalot | ok |
| 06:24.33 | Marcel_M | gn8 |
| 06:24.35 | peepsalot | thanks all |
| 06:24.44 | mmontour | it should work with neocon (lets you specify a per-character delay) |
| 06:25.01 | Railer | one more question how do i transfer files to the phone over ssh? |
| 06:25.11 | mmontour | scp |
| 06:25.24 | tessier | Is there much difference yet between what the factory ships and what is current as far as quality of the software goes? |
| 06:25.36 | tessier | I can't get my phone to do an opkg upgrade without crashing somehow. |
| 06:25.40 | walrustown | wooohooo accelerometers work |
| 06:25.44 | tessier | If there isn't much difference I'll just stop trying. |
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| 06:26.14 | mmontour | tessier: dropbear gets upgraded and that kills your ssh session (if you're doing it over ssh). "nohup opkg upgrade &" to get around that |
| 06:26.43 | tessier | mmontour: Yes, I found that out the first time tried. Now I do it on the terminal app on the console. |
| 06:27.10 | tessier | I told it to dim but not lock and it insists on locking. |
| 06:27.12 | tessier | Weird. |
| 06:27.31 | tessier | After every reboot it always comes back up saying "3 missed call(s)" |
| 06:28.04 | tessier | And the application menu is always showing on the PIM Suite apps after every reboot. Like that's the default view or something. |
| 06:28.06 | kelvie | heh, my motorola Razr does that |
| 06:28.10 | kelvie | it's damned annoying |
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| 06:29.01 | kelvie | Railer: if you have konqueror installed you can use that to transfer files if you want a gui using the fish:// protocol |
| 06:30.51 | Railer | I just got the thing and having some issues, did ssh in but no internet, route add default gw just gives me "SIOCADDRT No such process" so I'm trying to get wlan going. |
| 06:31.37 | thewtex | Railer: I'm in the same boat |
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| 06:31.46 | Railer | how do I get the fish thing going? |
| 06:31.52 | ieatlint_ | fucking att |
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| 06:32.52 | ieatlint_ | att has a huge outage in their US backbone |
| 06:33.37 | ieatlint_ | as such, i can reach some hosts (eg, irc.freenode.net), and not others (eg, my irc bouncer)... |
| 06:33.42 | ieatlint_ | kicks ieatlint |
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| 06:36.16 | Railer | so and suggestion on the anything I said? |
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| 06:40.08 | kd8ikt | bouncers are lame |
| 06:40.52 | ieatlint_ | actually, when i'm moving around between 3 locations constantly, an irc bouncer is extremely convenient |
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| 06:42.53 | ernst | can someone say me what i can write for freerunner in /usr/share/navit/navit.xml |
| 06:42.55 | ernst | ? |
| 06:43.09 | ernst | gpsd://localhost |
| 06:43.26 | ernst | ? |
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| 06:46.12 | ieatlint_ | let's have a competition for who can get the highest gforce with the accelerometer without breaking their phone |
| 06:46.34 | SpeedEvil | It only gets to 8G |
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| 06:46.47 | SpeedEvil | you can get that by putting it down not very gently on a table |
| 06:46.56 | SpeedEvil | Or dropping from 10mm or so. |
| 06:47.34 | pvborza | SpeedEvil: the accel is set up to receive data in +/- 2G |
| 06:47.46 | pvborza | although it can support till 8G |
| 06:47.55 | ieatlint_ | i've seen it spike to 4g |
| 06:48.02 | SpeedEvil | pvborza: I know |
| 06:48.15 | pvborza | ieatlint_: yes, it will go above the limits |
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| 06:53.30 | tessier | Does opkg keep track of what it has upgraded and what it hasn't like rpm or apt do? |
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| 06:53.40 | tessier | Because every time I run it it downloads a bunch more stuff. |
| 06:54.23 | ernst | does navit run on Freerunner ? |
| 06:54.36 | tessier | Now it's doing update-alternatives... |
| 06:55.27 | ernst | i can't active the device on navit |
| 06:55.57 | doc|home | grrr, can't decide which image. Can someone update http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions with battery life info? |
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| 07:01.56 | tessier | Aaaaand...it's dead. |
| 07:02.11 | Railer | is their a command line editor on FR? |
| 07:02.11 | tessier | I did an opkg upgrade, it ran for a while, next thing I know the screen is black and the phone is totally non-responsive. |
| 07:02.29 | tessier | I will boot it up again and it will be exactly where it was before having accomplished nothing in the upgrade. Bah. |
| 07:02.52 | thewtex | Railer: vi |
| 07:03.34 | Railer | thanks |
| 07:03.43 | tessier | vi...on the matchbox keyboard...joy :) |
| 07:03.46 | ernst | Freerunner und NAvit ? |
| 07:03.52 | ernst | waht device does it need |
| 07:04.03 | ernst | does anyone run navit on freerunner ? |
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| 07:07.14 | doc|home | for using asu, do I need to do anything with u-boot? |
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| 07:08.13 | mmontour | no |
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| 07:08.59 | doc|home | mmontour: thanks |
| 07:10.01 | doc|home | snow crash looks interesting |
| 07:11.06 | doc|home | but why would any properly anarchist society use fiat currencies which would allow hyperinflation |
| 07:11.33 | doc|home | er, wrong channel |
| 07:12.08 | ieatlint | lol |
| 07:13.07 | doc|home | :/ |
| 07:13.26 | Railer | iface eth0 inet dhcp - to start up wifi but get iface not found, any suggestions? |
| 07:14.19 | mmontour | is the wifi powered on? |
| 07:15.00 | Railer | yes |
| 07:16.01 | mmontour | then I don't know. |
| 07:16.04 | Sargun | Anybody want to trade a FreeRunner for an OLPC? |
| 07:16.11 | Sargun | an XO-1 |
| 07:18.38 | ieatlint | good luck with that |
| 07:18.43 | doc|home | Sargun: want to buy a bridge? |
| 07:18.48 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:18.50 | Sargun | bridge? |
| 07:18.53 | ieatlint | strokes his eee and freerunner |
| 07:19.11 | ieatlint | if only i had a third hand.. |
| 07:19.15 | Railer | anyone else have a bugger of a time getting it to staRT after a shutdown? |
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| 07:19.27 | ieatlint | Railer, just keep holding the powe button |
| 07:19.51 | Railer | it has to be plugged in in order to start up |
| 07:20.08 | ieatlint | not true for me |
| 07:20.24 | rivalarrival | nope. Takes about 5 seconds to start up |
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| 07:20.47 | Railer | maybe after a full over night charge |
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| 07:21.44 | doc|home | Railer: liking it? :) |
| 07:21.51 | rivalarrival | I haven't experienced what you're talking about. Even with a half-charge, it fires up after 5 seconds. |
| 07:21.58 | Railer | no not really |
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| 07:22.08 | doc|home | mine's a pain because you have to press and hold it, but eventually I'm hoping we'll have a phone which requires less reboots :) |
| 07:22.23 | doc|home | Railer: yeah, software still kinda sucks, that was to be expected though :/ |
| 07:22.37 | Railer | I cant even get on to the net |
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| 07:23.17 | ieatlint | nice, i found an infinite loop in /sys |
| 07:23.38 | Railer | I've tried about 20 things on the wiki to no avail, but I canat least ssh in, so that's something |
| 07:23.39 | doc|home | Railer: tried a different image? |
| 07:24.00 | Railer | not yet |
| 07:24.03 | ieatlint | /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-vibrator.0/leds/neo1973\:v |
| 07:24.03 | ieatlint | ibrator/device/leds/neo1973\:vibrator/device/leds/neo1973\:vibrator/device/leds/ |
| 07:24.03 | ieatlint | neo1973\:vibrator/device/leds/neo1973\:vibrator/device/leds/neo1973\:vibrator/de |
| 07:24.03 | ieatlint | vice/leds/neo1973\:vibrator/ and so forth |
| 07:24.17 | rivalarrival | The wiki needs a LOT of work... It really sucks... |
| 07:24.29 | rivalarrival | Railer: What OS are you using? |
| 07:24.39 | rivalarrival | on your computer, I mean. |
| 07:24.50 | Railer | ubuntu |
| 07:25.39 | rivalarrival | you got the OM connected now? |
| 07:26.06 | Railer | yes, |
| 07:26.27 | rivalarrival | Does ifconfig show a USB network device? |
| 07:26.34 | Railer | yes |
| 07:26.51 | Railer | one sec though, I accidently lock the damn thing |
| 07:27.15 | Railer | actually my ssh is fine |
| 07:27.31 | Railer | i have a lo and usb0 |
| 07:28.20 | rivalarrival | Oh, I misread your comment - I thought you said you couldn't ssh. |
| 07:28.37 | Railer | no ssh is good |
| 07:28.45 | rivalarrival | You can get on the net with your ubuntu machine? |
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| 07:30.34 | Railer | yes it's a server |
| 07:30.47 | Railer | it's always on the net |
| 07:30.58 | rivalarrival | Are you using the 192.168.0.x net on your local network? |
| 07:32.27 | Railer | see it's a server so the ubuntu machine is direct to the net 95.67.34.123 sort of thiing no router |
| 07:32.57 | Railer | does the unlock work the little moko icon wont move |
| 07:34.08 | Railer | is there a command to unlock the phone in ssh? |
| 07:34.18 | ieatlint | okay, the vibrator is /sys/class/leds/neo1973\:vibrator/brightness and takes values of 0(off) to 255 (max) with everything inbetween |
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| 07:35.39 | rivalarrival | Railer: I think you might want to get a different image on there... I had more than a few problems with the stock image. |
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| 07:37.16 | Railer | how? |
| 07:37.25 | Railer | boot form the minicard? |
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| 07:38.28 | walrustown | ieatlint: I am having way too much fun turning leds and vibrators on and off |
| 07:38.45 | rivalarrival | I haven't figured that out how to boot from the card yet... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 07:39.06 | rivalarrival | try the qtopia image... let me see if I can find it. |
| 07:39.47 | doc|home | does asu not have a keyboard for sms messages? |
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| 07:40.01 | ieatlint | walrustown, hehe |
| 07:40.06 | ecraven | can i just connect my FR to an usb hub and plug in a keyboard? |
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| 07:40.26 | ieatlint | you could in theory create "profiles" for audio files, so that the FR will vibrator with the music |
| 07:40.28 | leinirAWAY | doc|home: Of course it does :) It's just a bit dodgy on figuring out when it should show that keyboard ;) |
| 07:40.39 | doc|home | hahaha :( |
| 07:40.40 | rivalarrival | ecraven: So you can use the keyboard on the FR? No. |
| 07:40.53 | ecraven | rivalarrival: no to "just" or generally no? |
| 07:40.57 | doc|home | ok, looks like my freerunner will spend another day at home |
| 07:41.06 | ieatlint | rivalarrival, you sure about that? |
| 07:41.09 | rivalarrival | ecraven: Well, probably to "just"... |
| 07:41.31 | ieatlint | with the usb in host mode, you can connect a keyboard... and the UI would probably take it |
| 07:41.37 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: 100% sure? no. |
| 07:41.49 | ieatlint | hell, you should be able to turn the cursor on and plug a mouse in |
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| 07:42.46 | rivalarrival | Railer: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images#Qtopia_image_from_qtopia.net |
| 07:42.52 | ecraven | ieatlint: how do i put the usb into host mode? |
| 07:43.05 | rivalarrival | Can't be done. :) |
| 07:43.16 | ieatlint | yeah, it can |
| 07:43.25 | rivalarrival | Uh huh, prove it. ;-) |
| 07:43.54 | ieatlint | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware |
| 07:44.05 | ieatlint | "USB - Client and Host mode switch-able (to be used for software downloading), provide host 5V power " |
| 07:44.42 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: Yeah, but the wiki says a LOT of things. |
| 07:44.50 | ieatlint | heh |
| 07:45.05 | rivalarrival | (I know it can go into host mode, but I've yet to see how to accomplish this feat) |
| 07:45.22 | ieatlint | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_USB_host |
| 07:45.43 | ieatlint | i got that by searching "usb host" ... the wiki is in disarray, but it's still very useful |
| 07:46.13 | rivalarrival | Yeah, what do you think of adding the Neo_FreeRunner_USB_host page? |
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| 07:46.32 | ieatlint | i think it makes no sense to |
| 07:46.44 | ecraven | hm.. do i actually need that three-headed cable if i connect the neo to a powered usb hub? |
| 07:46.46 | ieatlint | i think it makes sense to rename that page to be inspecific to the 1973 and the FR |
| 07:47.04 | ieatlint | no, you shouldn't |
| 07:47.07 | rivalarrival | ecraven: Some hubs won't recognize a host that doesn't provide 5v |
| 07:47.18 | ieatlint | yeah, but the FR can provide 5v |
| 07:47.29 | rivalarrival | fair enough. |
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| 07:47.51 | ecraven | will the FR charge itself in host mode? |
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| 07:48.34 | rivalarrival | So, it seems to me that one could use a Neo as host to flash another Neo. |
| 07:48.35 | BlackFog | morning |
| 07:48.45 | ieatlint | i dunno, i haven't heard anyone really talk about using usb host mode yet |
| 07:48.55 | HauDyrArb | morning |
| 07:48.56 | rivalarrival | ecraven: Powered hubes don't power the host device. |
| 07:49.04 | Railer | when flashing u-boot and set console to usb? |
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| 07:49.10 | ieatlint | yeah, but one could modify it all to do that |
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| 07:49.39 | ieatlint | anyway, the FR supports it |
| 07:49.43 | rivalarrival | Railer: just go to uboot. No need to set the console. |
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| 07:49.53 | ieatlint | just don't send voltage over 5v to the freerunner |
| 07:50.18 | Railer | ok |
| 07:50.55 | Railer | is their any to quick reboot? |
| 07:51.13 | rivalarrival | pop the battery out? |
| 07:51.43 | rivalarrival | probably not the recommended option, but it's quick. :) |
| 07:51.54 | Railer | other then that :) |
| 07:52.12 | ieatlint | find a way to send sysrq commands :P |
| 07:52.52 | ecraven | rivalarrival: hm.. then we'd always need a Y-cable to charge the FR in host mode? |
| 07:53.18 | rivalarrival | ecraven: Or, a specially designed hub. |
| 07:53.43 | ieatlint | yeah, modifying a hub is the best choice |
| 07:53.49 | ieatlint | add in a li-ion battery |
| 07:54.03 | ieatlint | so that the hub doesn't kill the FR when there is no wall outlet |
| 07:54.20 | rivalarrival | I hate Li-ions. |
| 07:54.40 | ieatlint | well, they're great at what they do |
| 07:54.51 | ecraven | hehe, first accessory: moko hub |
| 07:54.57 | rivalarrival | Yeah. Dying every 24 months. Like clockwork. |
| 07:55.24 | ieatlint | heh |
| 07:55.29 | rivalarrival | ecraven: that would make a good one... I wonder who we can get to make it. |
| 07:55.45 | ieatlint | not in my experience, but even then... for the convenience, if i have to replace a $20 battery every two years |
| 07:55.48 | ieatlint | yeah... i can accept that |
| 07:56.15 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: Yeah, for a phone it's not too bad. For a laptop, it gets a bit more expensive. |
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| 07:57.14 | ecraven | hm.. we need a bluetooth datahand for the neo |
| 07:57.30 | rivalarrival | a what now? |
| 07:57.33 | Railer | well here goes the flash wish me luck! |
| 07:57.49 | ecraven | www.datahand.com |
| 07:57.50 | rivalarrival | Railer: Good luck! Fortunately, it's almost impossible to brick these things. |
| 07:58.05 | ieatlint | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=726 and http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8484 and then you need a 5v step-up |
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| 08:00.12 | rivalarrival | so, datahand is a keyboard of some sort? page says it's discontinued. |
| 08:00.47 | ecraven | yes, a strange, one-handed keyboard ;) |
| 08:01.04 | ieatlint | a one handed keyboard... you'd think that'd be insanely popular |
| 08:01.09 | ecraven | oh, that's unfortunate.. |
| 08:01.29 | ecraven | ieatlint: there are many ;) the BAT keyboard, the cykey, etc. |
| 08:01.29 | Railer | wow done that was quick\ |
| 08:01.46 | ieatlint | you've done your research there, it seems :P |
| 08:01.53 | rivalarrival | Railer: You have to do the rootfs too. |
| 08:01.58 | ecraven | aye, i want one hand on the keyboard, one on the mouse ;) |
| 08:02.00 | rivalarrival | Railer: That takes a few minutes |
| 08:02.10 | Railer | really |
| 08:02.25 | ieatlint | mouse is a rather small term |
| 08:02.54 | rivalarrival | Railer: Well, it took me about 3-4 minutes... Results will vary. :-) |
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| 08:03.24 | Railer | ok |
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| 08:06.15 | ernst | I want to fix navit on Freerunner |
| 08:06.23 | rivalarrival | Good! |
| 08:06.23 | ernst | can anyone help me ? |
| 08:06.37 | ernst | i want opost the report here |
| 08:06.49 | ernst | i start cat /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 08:07.16 | ernst | output after 30 -60 sec. $GPRMC,080338.00,A,5222.63622,N,00837.03213,E,0.018,,180708,,,A*74 |
| 08:07.16 | ieatlint | and does nothing happen? |
| 08:07.16 | ernst | <ernst> $GPVTG,,T,,M,0.018,N,0.033,K,A*2A |
| 08:07.16 | ernst | <ernst> $GPGGA,080338.00,5222.63622,N,00837.0 |
| 08:07.28 | Railer | well rootfs is going |
| 08:07.30 | ieatlint | well, now we know where you are |
| 08:07.36 | ernst | if i start navit |
| 08:07.42 | ernst | cat/dev/ttySAC1 |
| 08:07.52 | ernst | !���ĆŅ���ƅ���ť�Ƥ���Ť�Ĥń�@� |
| 08:07.52 | ernst | !�Ą��Ĥ����f�ĥ������奆��¤�FƧ@� |
| 08:07.52 | ernst | !���ĆŅ���ƅ���ť�Ƥ���Ť�Ĥń�@� |
| 08:07.57 | ernst | close navit |
| 08:08.00 | rivalarrival | Railer: Good. Qtopia is a bit more mature right now... Probably won't stay that way for long. |
| 08:08.01 | Railer | pretty |
| 08:08.01 | ernst | start tango gps |
| 08:08.11 | ernst | output $GPRMC,080338.00,A,5222.63622,N,00837.03213,E,0.018,,180708,,,A*74 |
| 08:08.11 | ernst | <ernst> $GPVTG,,T,,M,0.018,N,0.033,K,A*2A |
| 08:08.12 | ernst | <ernst> $GPGGA,080338.00,5222.636 |
| 08:08.19 | ieatlint | yeah, that'd be binary output |
| 08:08.25 | ernst | whats happen with that ? |
| 08:08.38 | ieatlint | it outputs your location in a binary format |
| 08:09.06 | ernst | why does navit change the "cat /dev/ttySAC1" output ? |
| 08:09.22 | Railer | was i suppost to flash qtopia? i flashed http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ these guys |
| 08:10.36 | ieatlint | presumably it reads the data in binary? i dunno... this would be specific to navit and not the freerunner |
| 08:11.40 | rivalarrival | Railer: Well, try out what you got... I'm going back to qtopia, at least until my replacement phone comes. |
| 08:12.10 | Railer | where are the qtopia files? and why them? |
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| 08:13.43 | rivalarrival | qtopia's SMS actually works... I need a working SMS, at least until my replacement phone arrives and it's not essential that my freerunner works. |
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| 08:14.05 | rivalarrival | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images#Qtopia_image_from_qtopia.net |
| 08:14.38 | rivalarrival | The first of the qtopia links has both the binary image and the rootfs |
| 08:14.50 | Railer | why do you need a replacement phone?\ |
| 08:15.10 | rivalarrival | Lost my last phone the day after I orderded my FR... |
| 08:15.35 | Railer | that's what you told the wife anyhow right? |
| 08:15.57 | rivalarrival | Heh, Nah, I left it on top of the car and drove away. |
| 08:16.37 | rivalarrival | But, I got a $200 phone from t-mobile for $18... It was actually cheaper to get the new phone and new sim card than a replacement sim card. |
| 08:16.50 | Railer | ya |
| 08:17.12 | Railer | I got a guy on the inside here in town to help me out |
| 08:17.25 | ieatlint | until you paid taxes on $200 and an upgrade fee |
| 08:18.10 | Railer | brb laptop bry dieing |
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| 08:18.55 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: Nah, the $18 is the upgrade fee, and the taxes were on the $18, not $200. |
| 08:19.24 | rivalarrival | I would have paid $25+tax for a replacement sim alone. |
| 08:19.27 | ieatlint | well, i guess just california gets its ass kicked |
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| 08:19.49 | Railer | back |
| 08:19.57 | rivalarrival | Cool |
| 08:20.09 | Railer | switched to the server |
| 08:20.31 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: T-mobile screwed you? |
| 08:20.33 | Railer | both done time to reboot |
| 08:20.36 | ieatlint | no |
| 08:21.06 | ieatlint | CA tax law says that if a discount is offered on certain products, we still pay tax on the original price |
| 08:21.22 | ieatlint | so if tmobile gives us a $200 phone for free, we still pay tax on $200 |
| 08:21.25 | Railer | thats stupid |
| 08:21.38 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: Uh, not if it's ordered out-of-state... |
| 08:22.09 | ieatlint | tmobile has a presence in CA, and if you conduct a transaction in CA with a company that has a presence in CA, you pay the tax |
| 08:22.53 | ieatlint | we have low property taxes though |
| 08:22.54 | rivalarrival | Damn, CA is gay. |
| 08:23.12 | ieatlint | the feds overtax us :( |
| 08:24.12 | Railer | does seem more stable |
| 08:25.02 | rivalarrival | Railer: Good. You'll probably have to do that a few more times in the not-so-distant future. |
| 08:25.12 | rivalarrival | lotsa stuff coming down the pipeline. |
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| 08:26.38 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: Well, you only have to worry about breaking off the continent to go hang with Hawaii. Alaska can come too. |
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| 08:27.17 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 08:27.43 | ieatlint | screw alaska and socal... oregon and washington can come |
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| 08:28.23 | rivalarrival | http://www.endofworld.net/endofworld.swf |
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| 08:29.25 | rivalarrival | But I am le tired |
| 08:29.32 | rivalarrival | WTF mate? |
| 08:29.39 | rivalarrival | AHHH MOTHERLAND!!!! |
| 08:30.11 | ieatlint | yeah, i've seen it |
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| 08:33.02 | leinirAWAY | About that time, eh chaps? |
| 08:33.25 | rivalarrival | Right-o |
| 08:34.13 | Railer | well flash but still no internet |
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| 08:35.30 | Railer | how do I know which gateway it sould be going to? |
| 08:39.43 | Railer | well night |
| 08:39.47 | Railer | bbl |
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| 08:43.47 | Sebastian | just put a 4GB microSD into his Freerunner. |
| 08:43.59 | Sebastian | Much more space now for maps :) |
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| 08:45.22 | ecraven | but no GPS ;( |
| 08:45.22 | Rakshasa | planet.osm... |
| 08:45.35 | ecraven | is there a route planner for the freerunner? yet? |
| 08:46.45 | walrustown | Sebastian: what GPS program are you using? |
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| 08:52.24 | newb | hi i'm getting this error on opkg update |
| 08:52.51 | newb | Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.sig, error 404 |
| 08:52.51 | newb | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.51 | newb | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.51 | newb | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.52 | newb | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.56 | newb | why/ |
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| 08:53.15 | newb | my USB n/w is set up perfectly. i'm able to ping Google from the Neo |
| 08:53.34 | ieatlint | go look at the wiki |
| 08:53.40 | ieatlint | the getting started guide |
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| 08:59.02 | ixs | quick question: I haven't followed OM development lately. Which is the suggested image for the GTA01? |
| 08:59.37 | ieatlint | ixs, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images |
| 08:59.46 | ieatlint | there's no specific one recommened |
| 09:00.43 | ixs | ieatlint: reading the SHR wiki page seems to suggest the ASU image... |
| 09:01.04 | ieatlint | asu is the most unstable, but "feature full" |
| 09:01.33 | ixs | ahh fine. |
| 09:01.38 | newb | ieatlint: any clue about why i get those errors? |
| 09:01.40 | ieatlint | 2007.2 is relatively stable, and has full gtk/x support.... qtopia doesn't really allow for expansion, but supports sms/telephony very well |
| 09:01.51 | ieatlint | newb, as i said, review the getting started guide |
| 09:02.01 | newb | oh that was for me? |
| 09:02.02 | newb | ok |
| 09:02.04 | ixs | "2007.2 is the "old" Openmoko distribution, now unsupported. Unsupported == often broken. Also, neither calls nor suspend/resume ever worked reliably. |
| 09:02.07 | ixs | " |
| 09:02.15 | ixs | that's written on the SHR page, which I find a bit strange... ;D |
| 09:02.27 | leinir | ixs: It's true, however :) |
| 09:02.37 | ieatlint | phone calls work :P |
| 09:02.40 | ieatlint | suspend works |
| 09:02.44 | leinir | Hmm... Bar the telephony stuff and suspend :) |
| 09:02.45 | ieatlint | resume ... hehe, not so much |
| 09:02.51 | ixs | leinir: crap. And I really hoped things changed when I last looked at OM, which was about half a year ago... |
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| 09:03.14 | ixs | leinir: but HEY!!! so it _CAN_ _ACTUALLY_ _MAKE_ _A_ _PHONE_ _CALL_? REJOICE! :-D |
| 09:03.26 | lpotter | qtopia does allow for 'expansion' |
| 09:03.28 | ieatlint | ixs, check out qtopia :P |
| 09:03.29 | leinir | ixs: Well, the future is not there yet... The future is basically FSO teamed up with raster :) |
| 09:03.52 | ieatlint | yeah, qtopia does... but since it doesn't have x, you're basically limited to things specifically made for it |
| 09:03.53 | ixs | leinir: to be truthfull though, I already made calls with the 2007.2 stack... it was just a major hassle and needed powercycling after each call. :/ |
| 09:04.13 | ieatlint | yeah, 2007.2 will reliably make phone calls |
| 09:04.25 | ieatlint | and i've only had people tell me they tried to call me and got VM with asu |
| 09:04.28 | lpotter | ieatlint: you are limited with the other gui'as well |
| 09:04.38 | ieatlint | lpotter, not nearly as much |
| 09:04.48 | newb | ieatlint: ahh i see it |
| 09:04.52 | ieatlint | a program that works on the asu works on 2007.2, and in general gtk dev is simpler |
| 09:04.58 | ixs | ieatlint: only VM? Thanks, I already have that fun with ekiga, twinkle and cisco call manager. :D no need for the problem on the phone. :D |
| 09:05.05 | newb | i'm using qtopia and i think its the most usable ui on the neo |
| 09:05.11 | lpotter | ieatlint: qtopia is not limiting in any manner more than x11 is |
| 09:05.35 | ieatlint | lpotter, correct, but the development tools and existing applications are centred around x |
| 09:05.55 | lpotter | no, trolltech reelases an sdk specific for the neo |
| 09:05.56 | ieatlint | i'm not an anti-qt person, mind you, but simply reporting things as i see it |
| 09:06.03 | ieatlint | there is no browser, there is no gps app |
| 09:06.15 | lpotter | soon |
| 09:06.17 | mjr | lpotter with his old trivially incorrect trolling |
| 09:06.18 | ieatlint | yeah, i hear 4.4 has a browser |
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| 09:06.36 | lpotter | mjr: not incorrect |
| 09:06.47 | ixs | lpotter: If you're refering to the initial code release from trolltech, I wouldn't exactly call that SDK... |
| 09:07.06 | lpotter | no, there is a vmware sdk that we have put many hours into developing |
| 09:07.30 | lpotter | probbly the best sdk out there for neo |
| 09:07.33 | ieatlint | well, i like qtopia, and i regard it as by far the most usable/reliable image ... |
| 09:07.34 | ixs | lpotter: ahh okay. my apologies in that case, I haven't looked at OM and related stuff for about half a year. |
| 09:07.49 | mjr | lpotter, I know you believe your bullshit |
| 09:07.53 | ieatlint | but i use 2007.2 because i want gtk apps, and i see fso/shr as the "future" |
| 09:08.07 | mjr | it'd just be nice that qtopia people weren't so detached from reality |
| 09:08.21 | mjr | credibility and all |
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| 09:08.27 | ixs | I only worked with the initial release and that was more a dump of soem unorganized code which had problems even compiling and nothing like an "SDK". |
| 09:08.47 | ieatlint | well, cross-compiling will always have problems |
| 09:08.48 | bobkare | lpotter: Yeah, ok, so for those that want to do app development from scratch it may be OK, but please observe the amount of mobile apps already available written in GTK |
| 09:08.56 | ieatlint | i'm banging my head on the table over it still |
| 09:09.40 | lpotter | what amount? I see that qtopia has more apps in itself than what is available for others |
| 09:10.15 | Ko_deZ | bobkare: with the speed of the x11 on the freerunner, you would probably save time porting it to qtopia and running it there instead =) |
| 09:10.17 | lpotter | bobkare: as well, qt apps can easily be ported |
| 09:10.20 | ixs | ieatlint: nah. cross-compiling is not really an art. Especially nowadays with ready made compiler suites. I remember in '98 or so when I first had to crosscompile a complete userspace and kernel for the hp9000 risc architecture. That was a hassle and took days. Today? one or two commands and everything is done by makefile magic. |
| 09:10.34 | bobkare | lpotter: go find somebody with a nokia n810 before trying that one |
| 09:10.41 | lpotter | easy as pie using teh neo sdk |
| 09:11.04 | lpotter | bobkare: we do have nokia devices |
| 09:11.11 | ieatlint | ixs, yeah, you say that, but i've been hacking makefiles that neglect to use the variables to define gcc, and all sorts of other stuff |
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| 09:11.46 | ieatlint | my favourite are the ones that fail when they compile something, and decide to test the program by running it... which of course fails |
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| 09:12.29 | ixs | ieatlint: ;-) true. Seen a fair share of problems as well, but it's gotten better in general. |
| 09:12.30 | bobkare | lpotter: ohwell, good luck to you then, personally I don't really like qt after finding it a hassle to develop for it, I'll be eagerly awaiting SHR which will be much less of a lock-in. |
| 09:12.52 | lpotter | ermm how is gpl code a lock in? heh thats a good one |
| 09:13.08 | zedstar_ | ieatlint: yeh u gotta love those autoconf builds that try and run a built c program cross compiling! |
| 09:13.24 | leinir | lpotter: It is all politics - you are forced to be GPL, and people want gratis in stead ;) |
| 09:13.48 | bobkare | lpotter: in the way that you have ripped out X11 which makes me unable to run every other graphical toolset in existance |
| 09:13.54 | ieatlint | right now i'm dealing with dbus which is trying to link to an incompatible expat library |
| 09:14.09 | lpotter | bobkare: havet ripped out x11 |
| 09:14.15 | lpotter | dont need no stinkin x |
| 09:14.21 | XorA | ripped out x11? |
| 09:14.22 | leinir | (what the LGPL allows you to do - shaft the developers of the libraries you're building your software on, so that you can make money out of their work without giving anything back to them) |
| 09:14.34 | XorA | ASU seems to be running qtopia on X11 |
| 09:14.42 | XorA | must be imagining things |
| 09:14.58 | lpotter | XorA: qtopia on x1 1is experimental at best |
| 09:15.16 | XorA | lpotter: yeah, but doesnt really fit with "ripped out" |
| 09:15.22 | bobkare | XorA: yeah, and at least the last time i tried asu was so slow i just reflashed into 2007.02 pretty much right away |
| 09:15.28 | lpotter | i am not the one that |
| 09:15.50 | XorA | s/ripped out/not really supported/ |
| 09:15.56 | mjr | bobkare, FWIW, lpotter has a block in his mind about qtopia being in _any_ conceivable way more limiting than x11. A sad delusion really. |
| 09:16.05 | XorA | shutup apt you are wrong |
| 09:16.25 | XorA | has even run X11 on qtopia in the past |
| 09:16.27 | bobkare | mjr: Yeah, i'm getting the picture... |
| 09:16.28 | ieatlint | careful now, apt has a temper |
| 09:17.44 | lpotter | i am sorry but having multiple toolkits that dont offer a common lok and feel is not an advantage on a phone |
| 09:17.45 | mjr | does wonder if the whole qtopia dev team is such indoctrinated or if there are sane people there too. To be fair, probably the latter. |
| 09:18.10 | bobkare | a bit sad really because it makes people that respond that way seem like fanboys instead of the good advocates they could be |
| 09:18.15 | lpotter | mjr: no, we all feel X is overkill and not neccesary |
| 09:18.41 | ixs | hey guys... shuddup already. This is getting worse than a distro flamewar. |
| 09:18.48 | mjr | lpotter, those opinions can be justified to an extent. You go further. |
| 09:18.49 | XorA | heh heh |
| 09:19.08 | XorA | Im afraid I have to agree on the X think, directfb/qtopia/....... make more sense on limited hardware |
| 09:19.12 | ixs | XorA: actually, the more I think about it, it's exactly that. bummer! :D |
| 09:19.47 | bobkare | lpotter: well then, don't take this personal or anything, but good luck to you, you're clearly going somewhere else with this than me. have fun on the journey and all that. |
| 09:20.01 | lpotter | well, you guys keep dissin' on Qtopia, yet it the best software for the neo |
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| 09:20.15 | ieatlint | some things can only be settled with a knife fight |
| 09:20.20 | ieatlint | how far away are you guys? |
| 09:20.21 | zedstar_ | lol |
| 09:20.29 | bobkare | ain't saying |
| 09:20.31 | XorA | chainsaws at dawn |
| 09:20.49 | zedstar_ | can't we all just learn to love each other :) |
| 09:21.02 | ieatlint | maybe after the fight |
| 09:21.05 | XorA | we shall see what qtopia can do when the new N** series phone comes out :-D |
| 09:21.10 | mjr | lpotter, wouldn't need to be dissing it if you weren't making it out to be Jesus |
| 09:21.26 | XorA | starts singing Depeche Mode |
| 09:21.30 | leinir | hugs lpotter "But we wuvs qtopia lots!" :) |
| 09:21.39 | leinir | Also, this is a really great track :) |
| 09:22.24 | leinir | (just listened to My Definition of a Boombastic Jazz Style by Dream Warriors ;) ) |
| 09:22.26 | XorA | is amused by the fact people love iPhone, and iPhone looks like it stole everything from qtopia |
| 09:22.37 | mjr | lpotter, spesifically, you _could_ admit that it's in some ways more limited than X11, _even if you think those ways are irrelevant_ |
| 09:23.07 | lpotter | there is only one way it is more limited, and that is really irrelevant on a phone |
| 09:23.13 | bobkare | Ohwell, I'm off. have fun everybody |
| 09:23.30 | mjr | lpotter, ooh, that already is _quite_ a bit more of a concession than you've managed before |
| 09:23.40 | mjr | maybe you're not hopeless |
| 09:24.00 | zedstar_ | out of curiousity if the trolltech people hate the idea of X how does someone from openmoko work on something like getting qtopia working over X.... i mean i cant see them getting too much support? |
| 09:24.26 | lpotter | zedstar_: it wasnt openmoko that got qtopia runnign on x |
| 09:24.41 | Ko_deZ | So, there are more easily ported apps for x11 than qtopia, that is for certain, as there are of course more apps for qt and gtk and others together, than just the ones for qt. There is no doubt though, that the x11 builds today feel very sluggish (like the first smartphones), while qtopia without x11 feels very responsive. Anyone saying the opposite can not have tested both. On a phone, I do not care so much about if I am able to run all |
| 09:24.41 | Ko_deZ | odd apps as I want my dialing buttons to appear the instance I press the button for it, and not a few seconds later. |
| 09:24.43 | zedstar_ | lpotter who did? |
| 09:25.05 | lpotter | zedstar_: TROLLTECH |
| 09:25.09 | lpotter | whops |
| 09:25.19 | zedstar_ | lpotter but u hate X? :) |
| 09:25.38 | Ko_deZ | unless the x11 stuff gets more optimized, I cannot se myself using those images. And I am not and have never been an employee of trolltech or anything related to it, just for the record. |
| 09:25.46 | mjr | Ko_deZ, probably more of a matter of having the dialer app running all the time |
| 09:25.54 | lpotter | Ko_deZ: wrong. any Qt app can easily be 'ported' to qtopia, just as easy if not easier than any gtk app |
| 09:26.07 | Ko_deZ | mjr: I don't care what the reason is =) |
| 09:26.26 | lpotter | Ko_deZ: qtopia x11 is unsupported and undevleloped |
| 09:26.34 | mjr | Ko_deZ, then you're not relevant to the conversation |
| 09:26.39 | Ko_deZ | mjr: I just want it to be as quick as the qtopia. |
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| 09:27.22 | zedstar_ | IMO i think the 2 stack competition is healthy.... trolltech vs the community.... the idea of all these zombiefied stacks is just a bit OTT |
| 09:27.23 | Ko_deZ | lpotter: What I said was: With the x11 builds, you get all worlds, with the qtopia framebuffer build, you get only the qt stuff. Obviously the former have more options. |
| 09:28.01 | lpotter | Ko_deZ: having multiple toolkits on a phone is irrelevent |
| 09:28.31 | lpotter | people want a common loko and feel, you cannot get that by having more than one base toolkit |
| 09:28.43 | lpotter | unless you do a lot of work |
| 09:29.01 | lpotter | or use it as a wrapper around the base toolkit |
| 09:29.04 | lpotter | or minic it |
| 09:29.08 | mjr | common loco |
| 09:29.09 | lpotter | mimic |
| 09:29.09 | zedstar_ | its gonna get messy |
| 09:29.12 | Ko_deZ | lpotter: It is not if you want to run both konqueror embedden and the navit application (which is GTK). Some people do not really care about a common look and feel as much as being able to run the apps they need. |
| 09:29.56 | Ko_deZ | while others, like me, want usability. |
| 09:30.52 | Ko_deZ | People are different and want different things. That is not really something you can change. |
| 09:32.22 | swc|666 | debian armel ftw |
| 09:32.49 | leinir | Hmm... So, the hardware fix is a capacitor :) |
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| 09:33.19 | leinir | http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf <-- Not self-service, however |
| 09:33.22 | Ko_deZ | Fact of the matter is though, if i where to give the FR to any of my friends with any x11 build on it, they would find it slow, while with the qtopia they are impressed. That is the current status I see. If FIC are to sell enough of these phones that we can ever get a GTA03, they need something that is as fast as the qtopia, but with more apps for GPS and such. |
| 09:34.02 | mjr | Ko_deZ, sure. And the status is pretty much irrelevant. |
| 09:34.32 | mjr | (not irrelevant in that it shouldn't be improved, but irrelevant in that it's at least mostly not an X11 issue) |
| 09:34.47 | mjr | anyway, nice about the hw fix |
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| 09:34.49 | Tig| | leinir: has there been an official announcement on that? |
| 09:34.56 | Ko_deZ | mjr: Not really. A big percentage of probable Freerunner buyers are friends of ours. If they are not impressed, they will not get one. |
| 09:34.58 | mjr | Tig|, just was on the list |
| 09:35.02 | leinir | Yup, arrived a few minutes ago on the list :) |
| 09:35.18 | Tig| | ah I will have to wait for it to appear on the web archives then :) |
| 09:35.34 | mjr | Ko_deZ, if they need to be impressed, they shouldn't buy it now anyway |
| 09:35.56 | Tig| | I can't be dealing with subscribing to the mailing lists, the signal to noise ratio is insane :) |
| 09:36.02 | mjr | that you can stick the capacitor on the sd slot is nice |
| 09:36.09 | Ainulindale | Tig|: try nabble |
| 09:36.18 | Tig| | did they say if there would be some way for existing owners to get the fix? |
| 09:36.35 | Tig| | Ainulindale: ta, was using gmane |
| 09:37.14 | mjr | Tig|, "Our sales discussing with our distributor about proper services model, but do not have consensus yet, I will keep update it." |
| 09:37.25 | zedstar_ | looks expensive |
| 09:37.25 | Tig| | mjr: thanks :) |
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| 09:38.25 | methril | morning |
| 09:39.49 | lpotter | Ko_deZ: there are two gps apps for qtopia, that just need to be compiled and bug fixed. |
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| 09:40.38 | zedstar_ | lpotter: does qtopia uses gpsd or your own stuff? |
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| 09:43.55 | Ko_deZ | lpotter: Yes, i know there are things there, and that things are coming together now (which is why I am using qtopia by the way), but if I actually need to use the exact application "navit", that does not help me much, does it? Not that I need that exact app, but I guess you see the point. |
| 09:45.38 | mjr | Ko_deZ, he doesn't, Qtopia always has the best apps ;) |
| 09:45.56 | Ko_deZ | lpotter: I do understand your and trolltechs need to get as much as possible over on qtopia, but neglecting/refusing to see the world as it is, does not help the cause. The idea of an open phone is to have choices. Right now, qtopia is imo the best choice for me. |
| 09:46.05 | lpotter | the two gps apps are 3rd party, and i hve not looked into them yet |
| 09:46.36 | lpotter | qtopia 4.4 will have an simple example app that uses gpsd or NMEA data from the dev node |
| 09:47.55 | Ko_deZ | lpotter: That still does not help me if what I need to have running is a specific gtk application =) |
| 09:48.52 | Ko_deZ | luckily I don't =) |
| 09:49.30 | lpotter | well, from the navit website there is a screenie with navit running on a zaurus with Qt |
| 09:49.54 | Ko_deZ | lpotter: Come on. Don't you get my point? |
| 09:50.59 | lpotter | just as gtk wont help you if you need to run a specific Qt app |
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| 09:51.19 | Ko_deZ | lpotter: I am not talking about the "navit" application explicitly, I am talking about any GTK only application. If anyone needs a GTK application to make use of their FR like they want, then they need GTK. |
| 09:51.21 | bobobobo | http://tinyurl.com/ads912 |
| 09:53.04 | Ko_deZ | And in that way, the qtopia framebuffer build is limiting. There is no other way to see it. The qtopia-gtk-x11 version could probably run both types. You may even be able to run qt as well. It will be a slow experience, but it will probably work. With the qtopia only, you have less choices. |
| 09:54.53 | Ko_deZ | lpotter: you are of course right in saying that qt apps does not run on gtk, but the fact that qtopia is as you say it "experimental" on x11, and not really supported, makes qtopia a less "open" choice than if it was running x11 like everything else on the FR at the moment. |
| 09:55.42 | Ko_deZ | I do agree that x11 should be unnessesary on a device like this, but idealism is not always the right choice. |
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| 10:01.56 | newb | hey is there any browser i can use on the freerunner? |
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| 10:09.01 | newb | i want to know the dangers of flashing the Neo. |
| 10:11.05 | Ko_deZ | leinir: that fix for the sd slot, is it as good as removing the signal completely? |
| 10:11.45 | ieatlint | newb, if you don't have a dboard, there is no danger at all |
| 10:12.27 | leinir | Ko_deZ: No idea :) |
| 10:13.00 | mjr | Ko_deZ, probably not, and they say it too |
| 10:13.06 | Ko_deZ | leinir: =) |
| 10:13.12 | mjr | "This fix could give almost same performance with SD card out of case." |
| 10:13.23 | mjr | not quantified better |
| 10:13.25 | Ko_deZ | mjr: Ah, right. |
| 10:13.31 | ieatlint | does the current uImage include the fix? |
| 10:13.46 | mjr | anyway, there will always be internal interference, so I consider that a "fix" |
| 10:13.49 | Ko_deZ | almost the same is gooe enought with that fix for the clock getting turned off. |
| 10:14.02 | mjr | *nod* |
| 10:14.06 | Ko_deZ | s/gooe/good/ |
| 10:14.28 | Ko_deZ | apt: Thank you =) |
| 10:14.28 | apt | Ko_deZ: gern geschehen |
| 10:15.08 | ieatlint | heh, so the bot is german even |
| 10:15.19 | Ko_deZ | mjr: So, if my friend, who is a hearing aid repariman, where to fix this for me, how would that go down with my warranty and stuff? |
| 10:15.35 | mjr | no idea |
| 10:15.48 | mjr | "Our sales discussing with our distributor about proper services model, but do not have consensus yet, I will keep update it." |
| 10:16.00 | Ko_deZ | There could not be a much better qualified person than him I believe. |
| 10:16.02 | Ko_deZ | right. |
| 10:16.05 | mjr | once they've done that, I'm gonna ask pulster (our seller) what's the deal |
| 10:16.12 | leinir | Ko_deZ: That is still being worked on :) "We saw people ask about service issues of Openmoko devices, and we are working on it. Our sales discussing with our distributor about proper services model, but do not have consensus yet, I will keep update it." |
| 10:18.21 | Ko_deZ | leinir: right. It would probably take forever to ship it back and forth for a fix though, as I got mine directly from FIC, and not some reseller. Not to mention expensive. We are 30 people here that would like this to be fixed =) |
| 10:18.50 | mjr | yeah the shipping bit would be a bother |
| 10:19.18 | mjr | I certainly hope they'll just go "okay, have some expert fix and if it goes sour we'll cover it" |
| 10:19.43 | leinir | Yeah, somebody with a microelectronics certification :) |
| 10:20.18 | Ko_deZ | mjr: with my very impressiv 28 days warranty, I might not care enough to even bother sending it in =) |
| 10:20.59 | Ko_deZ | leinir: That would be a bad idea. I have one, but I do not have the proper tools. |
| 10:22.46 | Ko_deZ | leinir: Soldering that on with a regular soldering iron can easily become very messy. You would need one of those tweezer type solering irons for surface mount stuff to do it properly. |
| 10:26.42 | leinir | Ko_deZ: Well sure, certification and proper tools :) |
| 10:26.57 | leinir | And that's the thing - you have the certification, so you know not to piss about with it with the wrong tools ;) |
| 10:27.15 | ieatlint | overall, the hardware fix is about as simple as it could get on a SMT |
| 10:28.13 | leinir | ieatlint: Yp :) |
| 10:28.17 | leinir | add "u" to make sense ;) |
| 10:28.31 | newb | ieatlint: u mean i can flash it as many times as i want? |
| 10:28.52 | ieatlint | newb, i've been told ~1000 |
| 10:29.03 | leinir | http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f70/snewsh/1213341097588.jpg |
| 10:29.23 | newb | ieatlint: which means i shouldn't be flashing it very often. probably should boot development images from SD card |
| 10:29.23 | ieatlint | yay for dslr cameras |
| 10:29.47 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 10:29.59 | ieatlint | i'm somehow confident i'll get to gta03 before it's a problem |
| 10:30.24 | newb | ieatlint: hmmmm... well...! |
| 10:30.29 | newb | actually true |
| 10:30.35 | newb | unless u flash it 10 times in a day |
| 10:30.50 | ieatlint | well, if it's a year until gta03, you can flash it around 3 times a day |
| 10:31.52 | edistar | an average :) |
| 10:34.22 | edistar | *on |
| 10:37.27 | newb | ieatlint: i want to know.... why is Qtopia 'finger friendly' and not the Openmoko? |
| 10:37.38 | newb | i mean how does it become 'finger friendly'? |
| 10:37.49 | newb | i'm using Qtopia right now and i really like it |
| 10:38.00 | ieatlint | it means it's usable without a stylus |
| 10:38.17 | newb | ieatlint: how do you program 'finger friendliness'? |
| 10:38.36 | ieatlint | make bigger buttons |
| 10:38.36 | newb | ieatlint: even the Openmoko was working without stylus. |
| 10:38.53 | ieatlint | eh, for some things |
| 10:39.02 | newb | ieatlint: albeit u needed to put more pressure if you used your finger |
| 10:40.56 | ieatlint | you go get me some food and i'll explain it |
| 10:41.08 | newb | newb: ok |
| 10:41.11 | newb | ieatlint: ok |
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| 10:41.22 | newb | what would u like? |
| 10:41.37 | newb | ieatlint: we have some nice fast food here in India. |
| 10:41.56 | newb | ieatlint: u must try the Chaats. simply fantastic |
| 10:41.58 | ieatlint | there's a 24 hour diner near here that has a wiener schnitzel vom hahn that is quite good |
| 10:42.30 | newb | ieatlint: i'm not in Europe :) can't help in getting u food |
| 10:42.40 | ieatlint | i'm not in europe either |
| 10:42.48 | newb | ieatlint: ? |
| 10:42.50 | newb | then? |
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| 10:43.00 | ieatlint | i'm in the bear flag republic ;) |
| 10:43.09 | newb | hilarious ! |
| 10:43.14 | leinir | Hehe, takeaway here in Denmark is a little bleh ;) |
| 10:43.49 | zedstar_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MiLF_interface hmm i was expecting another kind of MILF :) |
| 10:43.57 | ieatlint | well, this diner isn't all too bad, anyway |
| 10:44.06 | ieatlint | at 3:45am, you can't be too choosy |
| 10:44.32 | ieatlint | safe at least... all the cops working nights have their meals there it seems... always a cop present when i go at night |
| 10:45.21 | budfive | which place? |
| 10:45.21 | budfive | norcal or socal? |
| 10:45.21 | ieatlint | norcal |
| 10:45.21 | ieatlint | san francisco |
| 10:45.25 | budfive | ok. cool. that diner's a bit far for me |
| 10:45.42 | ieatlint | where in socal? |
| 10:45.49 | budfive | pasadena-ish |
| 10:45.53 | ieatlint | ah |
| 10:46.10 | ieatlint | yeah, i've learnt that if you want to find out if someone is a native californian, ask them about the bear flag republic |
| 10:46.31 | ieatlint | :P |
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| 10:49.31 | newb | ieatlint: would u tell me about how do they do a "finger friendly" program? i mean how can it be finger friendly when all that the touch screen returns is one point no matter how many points are pressed on the screen? |
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| 10:51.18 | newb | wait a minute the apps are written in python! :( no wonder!!! |
| 10:51.49 | ieatlint | it's because some applications are such that the input points are too small for a finger to reliably/accurately hit |
| 10:52.25 | edistar | newb: don't you like python? |
| 10:53.02 | newb | edistar: not a fan unless it's for scripting. but for writing apps absolutely no. |
| 10:53.32 | ieatlint | if you say you like java, i'm going to hit you |
| 10:53.44 | newb | ieatlint: don't like java either |
| 10:53.50 | edistar | newb: luckily not many programs are written in python at the moment ;) |
| 10:53.54 | edistar | luckily for you |
| 10:53.58 | newb | thank god! |
| 10:54.08 | budfive | isn't python the whole vision for fso? |
| 10:54.16 | newb | N810 has most apps done in python |
| 10:54.25 | newb | makes it a battery hog |
| 10:54.57 | newb | i like C/C++ or asm |
| 10:56.04 | leinir | Mmm, c++ yumminess :) |
| 10:58.13 | ieatlint | i'm a visual basic supporter... |
| 10:58.25 | newb | ieatlint: YIKES! |
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| 10:58.45 | leinir | ieatlint: You know you're not supposed to be swearing ;) |
| 10:59.17 | ieatlint | ah, fuck, sorry |
| 10:59.23 | swc|666 | lol |
| 10:59.44 | leinir | You are forgiven *giggles* ;) |
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| 11:00.39 | newb | leinir: would u be able to explain how do we make a program finger friendly? |
| 11:01.02 | newb | by simply increasing the touch area for a particular function? |
| 11:01.32 | leinir | newb: You need to be sure that all controls require only as small an area as can be used by a finger, and if not possible provides some way to show where your finger is pointing more precisely :) |
| 11:01.57 | leinir | The predictive keyboard in Qtopia shows what i mean with the latter part of that statement (tap and hold on the keyboard) |
| 11:02.45 | newb | leinir: ah.. it shows a pixmap of all possible keys that could be pushed |
| 11:03.14 | leinir | Sort of - it also highlights the key you're actually activating :) |
| 11:04.15 | newb | leinir: ah... |
| 11:04.20 | newb | leinir: got it |
| 11:04.57 | leinir | To finger-enable something really just means "Think lots" with regards to control placement :) |
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| 11:25.12 | newb | yawns and goes to sleep |
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| 11:29.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r4534 10/trunk/src/host/opkg-utils/ (17 files): |
| 11:29.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: [opkg-utils] Add opkg-utils to the repository courtsey Richard Purdie of o-hand.com |
| 11:29.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: I've attached a first attempt at this, its basically a small set of |
| 11:29.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: helper scripts which OE/Poky use when working with ipks. I've applied |
| 11:29.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: the various OE improvements and tweaks and removed a ton of cruft we |
| 11:29.59 | CIA-46 | openmoko: don't need. |
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| 11:34.14 | p0seid0n | hey guys. I just wrote a python app that visualizes the data from the accelerometers on my desktop. Until now i tested it with "offline" data files caputred on the moko. I just wanted to pipe "live" data from /dev/input/event2 on the mokot to my desktop using netcat. But it seems its not available on the moko repository. Do you have any idea how i can get the data stream to my desktop ?? |
| 11:35.13 | p0seid0n | wow, netcat is available on moko |
| 11:35.18 | p0seid0n | its just "nc" |
| 11:35.20 | p0seid0n | ... |
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| 11:50.52 | Dave | Leinir, does the Qtopia image have a gps app yet? |
| 11:50.59 | leinir | Not yet, no :) |
| 11:51.05 | Dave | weak. |
| 11:51.36 | leinir | 4.4 image will have something simple as i understand it :) |
| 11:52.15 | Dave | :| |
| 11:52.27 | Dave | and what about that nav program? |
| 11:52.32 | Dave | have you tried it? |
| 11:52.43 | leinir | lpotter is investigating options, though :) |
| 11:52.46 | leinir | No :) |
| 11:52.52 | Dave | bah :p |
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| 11:56.46 | newb | anyone tried using a blutooth headset to place calls on the neo? |
| 11:58.19 | Dave | It's not easy :p |
| 11:58.30 | Dave | but you *can* get it to work :P |
| 12:02.41 | Dave | leinir, then what *do* you do with your qtopia phone all day? |
| 12:02.51 | Dave | sit there an ogle it's polished graphics? |
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| 12:06.34 | newb | Dave: make calls maybe? |
| 12:06.51 | newb | leinir: had success making calls on ur Neo? |
| 12:07.04 | newb | Dave: i did manage to pair a blutooth headset |
| 12:07.10 | newb | Dave: and connect to it too |
| 12:07.13 | newb | thru Qtopia |
| 12:07.21 | newb | but couldn't make a call today |
| 12:07.22 | newb | because |
| 12:07.29 | newb | MY NETWORK is DOWN :'( |
| 12:07.57 | ieatlint | qtopia can pair, but it doesn't do anything once paired |
| 12:08.02 | ieatlint | at present, there is no support |
| 12:08.49 | ieatlint | i believe compiling bluez with alsa support, which provides a bluetooth modules for alsa will work ... but i'm having a hell of a time compiling it :P |
| 12:09.10 | leinir | newb: Hehe, i don't actually do much calling... but texting works fine :) |
| 12:09.28 | ieatlint | (i can compare my bluetooth headset with a regular computer using bluez alsa and play/record audio) |
| 12:09.55 | ieatlint | err, s/compare/pair |
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| 12:10.10 | newb | leinir: i'm fed up i already have two handsets. it's becoming tedious to carry around a third one |
| 12:10.25 | newb | leinir: would be nice if i could use Neo to make and receive calls |
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| 12:15.06 | Dave | lawl |
| 12:15.49 | Dave | ieatlint, yeah it's definitely not easy getting it to work :] |
| 12:16.13 | ieatlint | yeah, not to mention bluez with alsa has an impressive number of dependencies |
| 12:16.30 | Dave | hahaha yeah :p |
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| 12:16.35 | Dave | so many things to go wrong... :p |
| 12:16.47 | ieatlint | i've 11 more packages |
| 12:16.51 | Dave | oy |
| 12:16.58 | ieatlint | i've gone through like 14 |
| 12:17.03 | leinir | Right, just tested it, newb, calls work as well :) |
| 12:17.13 | leinir | Using the qtopia image |
| 12:17.51 | Dave | sends leinir some kinky messages |
| 12:18.05 | leinir | Dave: Feel free ;) |
| 12:18.22 | Dave | :D |
| 12:18.35 | ieatlint | i've happily avoided the openmoko toolchain at least |
| 12:18.40 | Dave | hah |
| 12:18.44 | ieatlint | that looks like an even dirtier mess |
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| 12:18.46 | Dave | Perhaps a wise precaution.... |
| 12:18.52 | Dave | however, it's really not that bad |
| 12:18.57 | Dave | once you get to know it... ;) |
| 12:19.10 | Sp33d3v1l3r | ponders if dave may have lost his mind. |
| 12:19.12 | Dave | Kind of like perl, in that sense? >:P~ |
| 12:19.33 | ieatlint | i saw perl for what it was long before i tried to learn it |
| 12:19.42 | Dave | good call? |
| 12:19.44 | ieatlint | happily everyone else finally realised it was crap |
| 12:19.44 | Sp33d3v1l3r | hugs awk. |
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| 12:19.54 | Dave | aww |
| 12:19.58 | ieatlint | thus, we now have python, php |
| 12:20.09 | Dave | laughs |
| 12:20.11 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Ruby, XSLT, ... |
| 12:20.30 | ieatlint | i keep getting told ruby is evil |
| 12:20.30 | Dave | use your own language, mister Lint |
| 12:20.58 | ieatlint | if "lint" were a language, i'd use it |
| 12:21.02 | Sp33d3v1l3r | ponders if lint is turing complete. |
| 12:21.05 | Dave | It is |
| 12:21.38 | ieatlint | it's people at shdh.org that have been so outspoken against ruby :P |
| 12:21.41 | Dave | ieatlint, do you like prolog? :p |
| 12:21.56 | Dave | man, all the haters... |
| 12:22.50 | ieatlint | never heard of it |
| 12:22.54 | ieatlint | just looked it up |
| 12:22.57 | Dave | heh |
| 12:23.15 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Dave: why would you think that ieatlint might not like prolog? |
| 12:23.24 | leinir | Hehe, sdhd events sound a bit like how akademy works ;) |
| 12:23.26 | Dave | Just a hunch ;) |
| 12:23.53 | Dave | wonders how leinir works |
| 12:23.59 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Dave: does it make you sad that ieatlint does not like prolog? |
| 12:24.40 | leinir | Dave: Oddly, i hear ;) |
| 12:24.41 | Dave | Speedevil, hardly; I really don't hold much of any stance towards his personal preferences. |
| 12:24.47 | ieatlint | i learnt c, expanded on c++... and i'm used to c-based syntax |
| 12:24.51 | Dave | leinir :o |
| 12:24.56 | ieatlint | at the moment, i stick with what i know :P |
| 12:24.59 | Sp33d3v1l3r | turns off the eliza module. |
| 12:25.03 | Dave | ieatlint: cool, use perl; |
| 12:25.05 | Dave | :P |
| 12:25.07 | ieatlint | i'm starting to learn/intuit python |
| 12:25.10 | ieatlint | perl is a mess |
| 12:25.11 | Dave | Speedevil, heh |
| 12:25.26 | Dave | ieatlint: hey, it's easier coming from C :P |
| 12:25.26 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Awk is very nice for simple hacks you might actually need to read later. |
| 12:25.41 | Dave | python seems to be pretty slick |
| 12:25.54 | ieatlint | yeah, i've had many an occasion to use awk |
| 12:25.55 | Dave | if you like being anally reamed. |
| 12:26.05 | ieatlint | and i've been hacking way too many files with sed to cross compile stuff |
| 12:26.27 | Dave | Speedevil, do you dislike sed? :p |
| 12:28.13 | newb | leinir: ah... calls work on the Qtopia image |
| 12:28.14 | newb | YAY! |
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| 12:28.21 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Dave: can't do BEGIN{FS="[,*]"} /GPGGA/{print $3,$4"\t",$5,$6"\t"$7} /GPGSV/{ sats=(NF-4)/4,$0; for(x=1;x<=sats;x++){ base=(x*4)+1; prn=$base;alt=$(base+1);az=$(base+2);snr=$(base+3); print alt"\t"az"\t"snr+0"\t"prn; if(snr>4)totalsats++;totalsnr+=snr;}} /GPGSV/&&$2==$3{ if(totalsats>0)print "ALT\tAZ\tSNR\tPRN\t Average SNR "\ "from "totalsats" was "totalsnr/totalsats; else print "" totalsnr=totalsats=0} |
| 12:28.24 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Dave: in SED |
| 12:28.40 | leinir | newb: i just successfully made a call to my bf's cell :) |
| 12:28.57 | Dave | heh |
| 12:29.04 | Dave | yeah it's pretty convenient |
| 12:29.18 | Dave | pcre makes it too easy though :] |
| 12:29.19 | newb | leinir: kewl |
| 12:29.36 | Dave | leinir, how about I call you now? :) |
| 12:29.41 | newb | leinir: was he able to hear u? |
| 12:29.43 | Dave | newb, yeah they sure do work. |
| 12:30.04 | leinir | newb: hmm... actually a good question ;) |
| 12:30.20 | newb | leinir: !!!! |
| 12:30.26 | Dave | newb, chill out |
| 12:30.33 | newb | :) |
| 12:30.35 | Dave | Don't make me get my tranquilizer gun again :p |
| 12:30.44 | Dave | giggles |
| 12:30.46 | ieatlint | calls are relatively reliable ... at least outgoing |
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| 12:31.10 | Dave | ieatlint, until your phone goes to sleep and then doesn't wake up :'( |
| 12:31.26 | Dave | and you keep calling it up it doesn't get it. |
| 12:31.26 | ieatlint | yep, as i've said, suspend is pretty well supported |
| 12:31.28 | ieatlint | resuming isn't |
| 12:31.32 | Dave | heh! |
| 12:31.38 | Dave | eyes Speedevil |
| 12:31.40 | leinir | newb: Yes, just checked it again :) |
| 12:31.52 | Dave | throws a monkey at cesarb |
| 12:32.17 | ieatlint | leinir, i have to ask, is there actually a female with a neo? |
| 12:32.17 | Sp33d3v1l3r | eyes SpeedEvil. |
| 12:32.29 | leinir | ieatlint: No idea :) |
| 12:32.30 | Sp33d3v1l3r | sighs. |
| 12:32.38 | ieatlint | hehe, yeah, what i suspected ;) |
| 12:32.40 | Sp33d3v1l3r | notes that X has eaten his laptop. |
| 12:32.48 | Dave | RAWR |
| 12:33.24 | Dave | Speedevil: take it back! |
| 12:33.31 | Dave | by force, if necessary. |
| 12:33.48 | Dave | volunteers his assistance. |
| 12:34.36 | ieatlint | i'm not one to volunteer myself... against my principles |
| 12:34.59 | Dave | It's in your principles not to rage against the machine? |
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| 12:35.17 | ieatlint | i'm on the machine's side |
| 12:35.28 | ieatlint | 1984 all the way, bitch |
| 12:35.38 | Dave | ;p |
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| 12:36.15 | retracile | *chuckle* |
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| 12:38.25 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Foolishly, I've got data on there in an unsaved editor. |
| 12:42.48 | Ainulindale | mickey|zzZZzz: questions again about network register |
| 12:43.02 | Ainulindale | I was wondering if Register() did its job considering the default provider or not |
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| 12:46.51 | newb | leinir: :( i put in a Vodafone sim card and tried making a call on Qtopia. Similar results. VERY FAINT Voice :( |
| 12:47.15 | leinir | newb: You may have to fiddle with the volume a bit |
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| 12:47.23 | leinir | There's some info on it up on the wiki... |
| 12:47.34 | newb | leinir: turned it to full on the mixer in the call settings option |
| 12:47.41 | newb | leinir: but still no avail! |
| 12:48.20 | leinir | It may not be enough... |
| 12:49.29 | leinir | You may well need to fiddle with alsamixer |
| 12:49.58 | biovore | yawns |
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| 12:52.45 | Dave | leinir, I believe the instructions posted on the wiki tell you as much. |
| 12:53.44 | leinir | Dave: i've not read them, i just blarped with the settings and seem to have hit the right combination ;) |
| 12:54.36 | Dave | Well, goody for you :p |
| 12:55.11 | leinir | *giggles* just random, more like :) |
| 12:55.36 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
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| 12:58.47 | newb | leinir: maybe u could help me with the right combo. :) |
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| 12:59.23 | leinir | i think the wiki's likely a better option ;) |
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| 13:01.26 | Dave | huhu |
| 13:01.43 | Dave | You don't want leinir and their "randomness" :p |
| 13:01.59 | newb | newb: hmm let me see if there's an explanation for the different alsamixer controls |
| 13:02.01 | Sp33d3v1l3r | If each control can have 4 values, then there are 10^56 possibilities. |
| 13:02.20 | Sp33d3v1l3r | newb: there really isn't. |
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| 13:02.42 | newb | Sp33d3v1l3r: :( |
| 13:03.18 | Sp33d3v1l3r | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem |
| 13:03.29 | Sp33d3v1l3r | has some ideas - I'm unsure of a GTA01 page |
| 13:03.46 | Dave | :D |
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| 13:05.50 | kdubois | has anyone installed the fso recently? |
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| 13:07.20 | raster | fsoooh! |
| 13:07.45 | Sp33d3v1l3r | wonders if that noise is rasters head exploding. |
| 13:10.36 | raster | no |
| 13:10.40 | raster | thats more like |
| 13:10.57 | raster | pffttsft fyf .. fgf. t... f..t.t ..... .. ..f.. .t..f.tf ................... |
| 13:14.15 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Does anyone happen to know if the iphone processor is binary compatible with the neo/freerunner? |
| 13:14.32 | Dave | shrugs |
| 13:14.36 | Dave | doubtful |
| 13:15.03 | ieatlint | iphone is armv6 |
| 13:15.03 | Dave | Want me to find out today? |
| 13:15.04 | ieatlint | so no |
| 13:15.14 | Dave | :] |
| 13:15.19 | ieatlint | err, at least, i don't think so :P |
| 13:15.26 | Sp33d3v1l3r | ieatlint: thanks - was wondering about updated GPS firmware for GTA01 |
| 13:15.29 | Dave | I could try it :P |
| 13:15.31 | ieatlint | yeah... i'll go with "i don't think so, probably not" |
| 13:16.25 | ieatlint | the libraries at the very least... |
| 13:16.26 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Is there an overview anywhere of what armn is? |
| 13:16.39 | ieatlint | linux vs darwin |
| 13:16.49 | Dave | :] |
| 13:17.02 | Dave | start a holy war! |
| 13:17.05 | Sp33d3v1l3r | ieatlint: that's just software :) |
| 13:17.20 | Sp33d3v1l3r | ieatlint: in principle it might be easy as it's just serial. Who knows though. |
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| 13:17.40 | ieatlint | i dunno... i doubt you could import apps to the FR |
| 13:17.50 | ieatlint | it'd be a hell of a job if at all possible |
| 13:18.02 | Sp33d3v1l3r | I'm not talking about generic apps. That'd be insane. |
| 13:18.25 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Just the GPS driver - which should only talk to the serial port, and maybe a named pipe or something. |
| 13:19.42 | ieatlint | well, the gps data could well be identical in format |
| 13:20.48 | ieatlint | here's to hoping google releases a native version of google maps that'll run on the FR |
| 13:20.54 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rebf88fef0f9f 10/data/themes/ (zhone_number_edit.edc zhone_text_edit.edc): add missing .edc files |
| 13:21.13 | ieatlint | as they build one for android, it'd be quite easy to build one for the FR ... so we'll see |
| 13:21.16 | Sp33d3v1l3r | No - it's an issue of the driver for GTA01 GPS - it's absolutely not a user software thing. Or related to freerunenr |
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| 13:23.48 | ieatlint | yay, i just picked a splinter out of my fingure |
| 13:23.55 | ieatlint | finger |
| 13:23.59 | ieatlint | wow, i'm tired |
| 13:24.14 | ieatlint | and by splinter, i don't mean of the TMNT variety |
| 13:24.55 | XorA | sings the TMNT theme |
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| 13:32.21 | raster | Sp33d3v1l3r: iphone is not backwards compat |
| 13:32.34 | raster | ie ie pentium-4 vs 486 |
| 13:32.36 | raster | so to speak |
| 13:32.39 | raster | both share the same x86 core |
| 13:32.46 | raster | but the armv6 has more insturctions added |
| 13:32.53 | raster | if u compile an armv4 binary it will work on armv6 |
| 13:32.56 | Sp33d3v1l3r | raster: Is there a nice overview of the various v* generations anywhere? |
| 13:32.56 | raster | butnot the other way |
| 13:33.04 | raster | dunno |
| 13:33.13 | Sp33d3v1l3r | I should probably google or something. |
| 13:33.18 | Dave | rasterize! |
| 13:33.23 | raster | why does it matter |
| 13:33.32 | raster | for FR u have soruce |
| 13:33.33 | raster | u compile |
| 13:33.34 | raster | ... |
| 13:33.46 | Sp33d3v1l3r | raster: I was idly wondering ig the GPS driver binary for iphone might be more updated. |
| 13:33.56 | raster | u arent going to take shared libs or binaries direct from iphone or FR and put them on eachothers platfoms... |
| 13:33.59 | Sp33d3v1l3r | (than GTA01) - nothing FR related |
| 13:34.04 | Dave | and you might be able to steal it? :D |
| 13:34.05 | raster | not unless u want to do an insane amount fo work |
| 13:34.26 | raster | the driver will be tied much to their kernel and other things |
| 13:34.37 | raster | unhooking it from OSX as such will be a mountain of work |
| 13:34.44 | raster | unless u like hexediting binary... |
| 13:34.46 | raster | :) |
| 13:34.58 | Sp33d3v1l3r | raster: probably, yes. It was an idle thought. |
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| 13:36.57 | Xaos | ok...I loaded last nights daily build of GTK and I am getting a TTFF of less than 20sec WITH SD card in place (but no SIM card in) |
| 13:37.15 | Xaos | I assume that the software fix is in that kernel? |
| 13:37.45 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Well - try it with dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/card/kfkfkf in the background. |
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| 13:41.37 | TAsn | Xaos, cool :) |
| 13:42.28 | toggles_w | Xaos: what are you using to check the gps? i loaded last night gtk and don't see a gps app |
| 13:42.48 | Sp33d3v1l3r | There is one linked off the GPS page |
| 13:43.00 | Sp33d3v1l3r | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS#GTA01_GPS_driver_.28gllin.29 |
| 13:43.06 | Sp33d3v1l3r | even cat works |
| 13:43.51 | Sp33d3v1l3r | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS |
| 13:43.53 | Sp33d3v1l3r | even |
| 13:44.41 | toggles_w | Sp33d3v1l3r: thanks, i must have the wrong image, i don't have any gps software at all, bar cat |
| 13:46.40 | Sp33d3v1l3r | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Howto_Test_Your_GPS_with_agpsui |
| 13:46.47 | Sp33d3v1l3r | shows how to install |
| 13:46.52 | Dave | :] |
| 13:47.12 | Dave | Has a software workaround/patch been released yet for the microsd issue? |
| 13:47.25 | Sp33d3v1l3r | points at Xaoss comment |
| 13:47.37 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Tehre were queries if it had been pushed upstream. |
| 13:47.52 | Dave | hmm |
| 13:48.08 | Dave | Right, and, no authoritative verifcation :p |
| 13:48.13 | Dave | verification. |
| 13:49.19 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Xaos: did it used to not be that good, and can you test the dd thing? |
| 13:49.39 | Dave | I'll try it thought. |
| 13:49.53 | Dave | Right he conveniently left those portions out ;) |
| 13:50.07 | dcordes_ | XorA|gone: we got X starting on kaiser |
| 13:50.13 | Sp33d3v1l3r | dcordes_: :) |
| 13:50.16 | XorA|gone | dcordes_: woowoo |
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| 13:50.25 | Dave | ooh la la |
| 13:50.34 | XorA|gone | anyway I must dash |
| 13:51.00 | Xaos | Sp33d: test which dd thing? sorry missed some of the conversation |
| 13:51.13 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Xaos: dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/card/jfjfjfjf |
| 13:51.22 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Xaos: at the same time you try to obtain a fix. |
| 13:51.40 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Xaos: should increase the time to first fix back to the old figure |
| 13:51.56 | Xaos | ahhh...ok...I can try that but not right now...stuck on the 2nd floor of a 6 story office building...maybe I'll slip out at lunch and try though |
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| 13:52.32 | Dave | Xaos, was the device ever able to obtain a fix previously? |
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| 13:52.51 | Xaos | and someone asked about which app I used? I just added scaredycats repos and did an opkg update and installed the agps-ui tool and tangogps |
| 13:53.04 | Dave | :O |
| 13:53.07 | Xaos | Dave: yes, but it was definitely worse with the card in |
| 13:53.09 | Sp33d3v1l3r | A cat is fine too. |
| 13:53.10 | toggles_w | Xaos: thanks make! |
| 13:53.19 | Dave | :[ |
| 13:53.27 | Dave | speedevil: meow? |
| 13:53.46 | Xaos | toggles: after doing the opkg update, do an "opkg list | grep agps" to find the name of the tool for testing |
| 13:54.04 | toggles_w | Xaos: thanks |
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| 14:08.56 | Xaos | ok...excuse my ignorance, but what are the (dis-)advantages to using gllin vs. gpsd? |
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| 14:10.18 | Dave | you can't use gllin |
| 14:10.19 | zedstar | from what i remember gllin was some kludge to get the gps working on a neo 1973 so u dont need it if u got a freerunner |
| 14:10.24 | Dave | right |
| 14:11.44 | zedstar | supposedly u shud be using gypsy eventually |
| 14:12.10 | Dave | o_O |
| 14:12.18 | Dave | gypsies!? where! |
| 14:12.27 | zedstar | moving in next door! |
| 14:12.45 | leinir | Nah, camping out on the field next to us ;) |
| 14:13.22 | mjr | gllin wasn't a kludge really, even though you would need kludges to get it actually running ;] |
| 14:13.48 | mjr | just basically a userspace gps driver |
| 14:13.55 | Xaos | ok...cool...thanks for the history lesson...I was just wondering why Tango had it listed |
| 14:13.58 | mjr | but yeah, not for gta02 |
| 14:14.17 | Dave | :D |
| 14:14.20 | Dave | Correct. |
| 14:14.32 | Dave | I think they should really branch it, later. |
| 14:14.32 | zedstar | well it was a bit of mess as u had to start gllin and then run gpsd etc |
| 14:15.21 | zedstar | something on dbus which automatically loads when required is much nicer |
| 14:15.52 | Dave | oh yeah :D |
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| 14:16.52 | zedstar | tango has been running a while on the 1973 so used it |
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| 14:19.20 | dtx | so what does that volume slider control while making a phone call? |
| 14:19.31 | dtx | cuz its just super quiet regardless |
| 14:19.42 | dtx | and hard for people to hear me |
| 14:21.35 | DPThough1 | How can i can i switch back to slow mode chage after i set it to fast_cccv? (gta01) |
| 14:21.54 | DPThough1 | just echo -n "pre" ? |
| 14:23.39 | Dave | prods Xaos |
| 14:24.48 | Xaos | Dave: sorry...must have been napping...what was that? |
| 14:25.25 | Dave | So what's the deal? |
| 14:25.32 | Xaos | deal with? |
| 14:25.36 | Dave | The suspected fix is in the feline repository? |
| 14:25.44 | Xaos | oh...dunno... |
| 14:25.47 | Dave | but not in main? |
| 14:25.49 | Xaos | here's what I did last night |
| 14:25.49 | Dave | bah |
| 14:25.58 | Dave | What kind of help are you? :D |
| 14:26.56 | Xaos | I reflashed to the 20080718 version of GTK (both rootfs and uImage)...added scaredycat's repos...installed a bunch of crap (tangogps, agps-gui, python, etc.)...did on opkg upgrade |
| 14:27.09 | Dave | hiss |
| 14:27.46 | Xaos | this morning, I turned on the agps-gui tool and got a TTFF of 18 sec the first time...then 17 sec...after a Hot Reset, I got one in 6 sec...all while in my car |
| 14:28.00 | Dave | drop it like it's hot ;p |
| 14:28.03 | Xaos | This was WITH the SD card in, but NOT the SIM |
| 14:28.25 | mjr | so where do we solder a capacitor on the sim? |
| 14:28.31 | Dave | hahah |
| 14:28.52 | Xaos | just providing info on the state of the device when test was run |
| 14:28.53 | Dave | mjr are you intending for your calls to take you back in time, if you talk for eighty-eight minutes or something? ;) |
| 14:29.05 | Dave | xaos, alright :p |
| 14:29.13 | edistar | Xaos: hot reset just means that you tell agpsui to forget everything, the chip remembers everything |
| 14:29.20 | Xaos | mjr: can we put a flux capacitor on the SIM? |
| 14:29.32 | Xaos | edistar: I know...just a test I did so I was reporting it. |
| 14:29.34 | Dave | 1.21JW plz |
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| 14:29.49 | Dave | edistar: you want a cold reset :) |
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| 14:30.10 | edistar | Dave: Xaos wants it :) |
| 14:30.10 | lepta | hi |
| 14:30.15 | Xaos | too bad the chip doesn't have enough RAM to hold the almanac data...is anybody working on a fix for that? |
| 14:30.19 | mjr | I think we're gonna need a bigger battery for that |
| 14:30.26 | Dave | :P |
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| 14:30.34 | Dave | edistar :D |
| 14:30.37 | Dave | Aha |
| 14:30.38 | Xaos | mjr: one that can produce 1.21 Gigawatts of power? |
| 14:30.42 | Sp33d3v1l3r | That can't be fixed - but soemthing can upload the data. |
| 14:30.57 | mjr | Xaos, yeah, that. And it's jigawatts, you philistine. |
| 14:30.58 | Dave | Jiggawatts |
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| 14:31.07 | Xaos | I've already hooked my Neo up to my Mr. Fusion so that it will run for more than a few hours |
| 14:31.13 | Dave | :D |
| 14:31.16 | Sp33d3v1l3r | http://www.mauve.plus.com/tiles.jpg |
| 14:31.18 | Sp33d3v1l3r | oops |
| 14:31.21 | Dave | pours garbage on Xaos |
| 14:31.29 | Xaos | mjr: sorry...Physics major...I have trouble misspeling those words ;-) |
| 14:31.35 | Dave | Hey, I'm only helping :p |
| 14:31.45 | Xaos | LOL |
| 14:31.56 | newb | my GPS doesn't get a fix at all |
| 14:32.01 | newb | anything to do with SD card? |
| 14:32.06 | newb | i can't seem to remove the darn thing |
| 14:32.09 | Sp33d3v1l3r | newb: possibly |
| 14:32.09 | Xaos | newb: maybe... |
| 14:32.12 | Sp33d3v1l3r | newb: use an axe. |
| 14:32.13 | Dave | newb, have you considered the fact it may be due to the fact that you are a newb? |
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| 14:32.21 | Xaos | Dave: LOL |
| 14:32.24 | Dave | :p |
| 14:32.27 | Sp33d3v1l3r | newb: or update to the latest possible image. And you have actually turned the GPS on? |
| 14:32.39 | newb | Sp33d3v1l3r: yes |
| 14:32.43 | Dave | Xaos, I was only stating a logical plausibility ;D |
| 14:32.48 | Dave | s/only/merely/ |
| 14:32.57 | newb | Sp33d3v1l3r: still doesn't get a fix. does it require to have a SIM card in it to get a fix? |
| 14:33.03 | Sp33d3v1l3r | No |
| 14:33.08 | Xaos | newb: try flashing the 20080718 GTK uImage and rootfs |
| 14:33.09 | Sp33d3v1l3r | The SD card may interfere with it |
| 14:33.32 | Dave | fix me breakfast |
| 14:33.34 | newb | Xaos: i just did an opkg upgrade |
| 14:33.52 | Xaos | that doesn't upgrade the uImage does it? |
| 14:34.07 | Xaos | Dave: you mean "sudo fix me breakfast" |
| 14:34.17 | Dave | opkg --force-reinstall install SpeedEvil |
| 14:34.22 | Dave | oops |
| 14:34.29 | Dave | xaos ;p |
| 14:34.35 | Dave | nah, fuck sudo |
| 14:34.46 | Xaos | Dave: http://xkcd.com/149/ |
| 14:34.54 | roh | mmh..sometimes i wonder why nobody ever suggested somehing of this for powering a phone yet... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_battery |
| 14:34.56 | Dave | fuck your stupid sudo sandwich (guessing) |
| 14:35.04 | newb | Xaos: going on a trip tomorrow. want to use the GPS |
| 14:35.07 | Dave | It's of poor quality anyway. |
| 14:35.15 | Dave | roh, yes :) |
| 14:35.18 | Xaos | newb: I understand! |
| 14:35.25 | Xaos | brb |
| 14:35.28 | Dave | We hear you. |
| 14:35.36 | Dave | tampers with Xaos's gps |
| 14:36.39 | zedstar | tampers with Dave |
| 14:36.58 | Dave | killall hald |
| 14:37.17 | roh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator seems to be rocksolid state of the art for classy space-hw like pioneer10 |
| 14:37.32 | Dave | haha |
| 14:37.44 | Dave | And just how exactly does this apply to the freerunner, might I ask, roh? ;) |
| 14:38.08 | roh | well.. that stuff needs to get smaller ;) |
| 14:38.16 | Dave | heehee |
| 14:38.29 | Dave | I'll take it up with some people next time I'm in Japan ;) |
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| 14:38.47 | roh | Dave i was just thinking of the fact that li-ion stuff didnt really get better energy density over the lastt few years |
| 14:38.56 | Dave | yep |
| 14:39.05 | Dave | It is unsurprisingly disappointing. |
| 14:39.21 | Dave | vacuum energy, anyone? |
| 14:39.33 | Dave | No offense to Xaos, and his Mr. Fusion. |
| 14:43.00 | raster | The human body produces about as much heat energy as a 100-Watt light bulb |
| 14:43.11 | roh | well.. i think thats what makes clear we will stay arm and mips in phones quite some time still |
| 14:43.44 | raster | so we shoudl turn this: o>-< into this: o[|||] |
| 14:43.45 | roh | x86 based stuff needs >1W peak for the whole soc and nobody wants batterys big as a hand |
| 14:43.56 | raster | the FR should just be plugged into the back of your skill |
| 14:44.02 | raster | and suck the power out of your body to run... |
| 14:44.03 | Sp33d3v1l3r | roh: Fuel cells will sort it! |
| 14:44.19 | Sp33d3v1l3r | roh: that way you can get 10W CPU on a mobile phone. |
| 14:44.22 | Sp33d3v1l3r | :) |
| 14:44.43 | Sp33d3v1l3r | However - I really want an implanted power unit. |
| 14:44.47 | retracile | Sp33d3v1l3r: ... and heat your coffee on it. |
| 14:44.57 | Sp33d3v1l3r | That can wirelessly charge stuff, and runs from blood-glucose. |
| 14:45.35 | roh | fuelcells are bullshit and only a bad excuse from people who want alternative storage of energy to fail |
| 14:45.35 | Dave | wah wah |
| 14:45.35 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Fuel cells have applications. |
| 14:45.42 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Batteries are still stupidly expensive in large quantities. |
| 14:45.45 | roh | only where one has no alternative. even a gas-turbine is more helpfull mostly |
| 14:46.16 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Not in micro-scale. |
| 14:46.28 | roh | fuelcells are mostly uneconomic. bad energy output compared to the size, bad total efficiency. |
| 14:46.29 | Dave | speedevil: kinky |
| 14:46.31 | Sp33d3v1l3r | And gas turbines are very inefficient compared to fuel cells. |
| 14:46.38 | roh | fuelcell means <25% total system efficiency |
| 14:47.01 | Dave | fight fight fight! |
| 14:47.03 | roh | because generating and storing Hydrogen is so nonpractical. |
| 14:47.29 | roh | means even a lead-battery has more storage efficiency than a fuel-cell of 'electric energy in now' and 'out later' |
| 14:47.30 | newb | Xaos: i get one satellite on the GPS. when i see the signal strength graph on the agps-ui i get a 2 and a bar |
| 14:49.19 | newb | anyone tell me what the bars on the SS in AGPSui mean? |
| 14:49.28 | Xaos | back now...hey...who's been tinkering with my GPS...Dave...was that you? |
| 14:49.34 | Dave | hides |
| 14:49.34 | dlowe | newb: signal strength |
| 14:49.36 | Xaos | SS = Signal Strength |
| 14:49.39 | faern | newb: read about the sd card problem? try without any sd card in the phone |
| 14:49.46 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Well - I prefer Nucleothermosynthesis of hydrogen anyway. |
| 14:49.58 | newb | ok what do the bars mean? |
| 14:50.04 | newb | i got a bar with 2 written below it |
| 14:50.10 | Xaos | newb: just went outside my building (so half the sky was blocked) only got two sats to lock in |
| 14:50.18 | Dave | assy |
| 14:50.21 | Sp33d3v1l3r | roh: if you'r doing natural gas -> electricity out - they're about a wash actually. |
| 14:50.21 | Xaos | bars mean beer |
| 14:50.29 | newb | and a signal strength of 30 db |
| 14:50.39 | Xaos | means you get 30 decibeers |
| 14:50.40 | Dave | ships one of his freerunners off to speedevil for service. |
| 14:50.41 | newb | Xaos: i too went just out of the building |
| 14:50.46 | Dave | BEERS |
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| 14:50.55 | Xaos | 30 decibeers = 3 beers |
| 14:50.55 | newb | so the numbers mean how many satellites locked in |
| 14:51.00 | Xaos | probably |
| 14:51.01 | Dave | hah! |
| 14:51.08 | newb | so i need 5 satellites to get a fix right? |
| 14:51.15 | Dave | No |
| 14:51.17 | Xaos | 3 minimum...4 is better |
| 14:51.23 | Dave | 14 is even better :D |
| 14:51.28 | Xaos | Dave: true |
| 14:51.32 | Dave | pet-pets his freerunner squadron |
| 14:51.47 | dlowe | Is 14 even possible? Wouldn't some of them be on the other side of the planet? |
| 14:51.50 | Dave | I get 12-14 from the end of my desk near the window |
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| 14:51.56 | dlowe | guess so, then :p |
| 14:51.58 | Xaos | newb: GPS works by triangulation...the satellites report where they are and you need three to zero in your location on a plane |
| 14:52.03 | Dave | I'm just telling you what I get :) |
| 14:52.04 | Xaos | Dave: you SUCK! |
| 14:52.10 | Xaos | ;-) |
| 14:52.12 | Dave | hides from xaos again |
| 14:52.16 | newb | Xaos: oh... ok |
| 14:52.18 | balrog-k1n | i'v enever seen more than 12 i think |
| 14:52.19 | Dave | hides his beers too |
| 14:52.21 | balrog-k1n | or maybe 13 |
| 14:52.26 | newb | Xaos: let me try getting away from my bldg |
| 14:52.36 | Xaos | newb: I've been trying that for years |
| 14:52.41 | Dave | balrogkun, out by the pool I always get 14/14 or 14/13 |
| 14:52.46 | Dave | :) |
| 14:53.04 | Dave | I trust it's pretty accurate :p |
| 14:53.05 | balrog-k1n | Dave: cool, are you in the south hemisphere maybe? |
| 14:53.10 | Dave | uhh, no? |
| 14:53.16 | balrog-k1n | ok |
| 14:53.26 | raster | roh: i'm with you. at some pointit'd be nice to use solar cells to get some bonus power |
| 14:53.27 | Dave | I'm in NJ and NY sometimes |
| 14:53.28 | raster | it wont run offthem |
| 14:53.33 | Dave | :P |
| 14:53.34 | raster | but it may allevate drain if in sunlight |
| 14:53.37 | balrog-k1n | i think it was in the south when i had 13 on the n810 |
| 14:53.44 | Dave | Ah |
| 14:53.55 | raster | the problem is having solar cells and making them "invisible" |
| 14:53.55 | Dave | yeah, sometimes at night though it tends to suck |
| 14:54.04 | raster | so u can still have a nice case |
| 14:54.08 | Dave | I get at most 11 or so as night progresses |
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| 14:54.13 | Dave | strange |
| 14:54.13 | raster | Dave: as i said |
| 14:54.16 | raster | not for runing off |
| 14:54.19 | raster | but at daytime |
| 14:54.25 | Dave | Hmm? |
| 14:54.26 | newb | Xaos: ok |
| 14:54.26 | raster | if u can partially charge while sitting on a table |
| 14:54.28 | raster | or on your desk |
| 14:54.28 | Xaos | Dave I guess you really need to see the southern sky ...I'm in Texas and have no clue which way to look for the sats |
| 14:54.31 | raster | in some sunlight |
| 14:54.34 | raster | better than nothing |
| 14:54.34 | balrog-k1n | Dave: are you outside the city at the moment maybe? |
| 14:54.39 | Dave | I am :) |
| 14:54.40 | raster | at least it extends your battery life |
| 14:54.46 | raster | doesnt replace charging. |
| 14:54.46 | Dave | soon to change |
| 14:54.47 | balrog-k1n | i think the city smoke also makes the signal worse |
| 14:54.56 | Dave | no kidding |
| 14:55.06 | Dave | not to mention the pollution and buildings getting in the way :D |
| 14:55.12 | Dave | I'll be in the city shortly though |
| 14:55.31 | Dave | Then again from our office, we're pretty high up. |
| 14:55.38 | Dave | though I agree |
| 14:55.42 | Xaos | maybe I should go upstairs and try |
| 14:56.01 | Dave | similarly, there was a really bad storm passing over last night, and it noticibly impacted the viewable satellites |
| 14:56.04 | newb | Xaos: my terrace is locked :( |
| 14:56.05 | balrog-k1n | well here i'm not seeing more than 12 on any gps, in the open space |
| 14:56.07 | Dave | if only for thirty minutes or so |
| 14:56.13 | Dave | :] |
| 14:56.26 | dtx | it needs 3 for a fix right? |
| 14:56.30 | Dave | yes yes |
| 14:56.35 | Dave | think... triangle. |
| 14:56.59 | Dave | twyangul |
| 14:57.02 | Xaos | 3 is bare minimum to get fix...and your accuracy will suck |
| 14:57.02 | balrog-k1n | dtx: yeah |
| 14:57.14 | balrog-k1n | but you need 10+ to look cool |
| 14:57.20 | Dave | That's why Tango doesn't usually fix your position until 4-5 |
| 14:57.22 | dtx | I got impatient after 2 and just quit the program |
| 14:57.26 | Dave | balrogkun :p |
| 14:57.35 | Dave | dtx :[ |
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| 14:58.21 | tunys | Will anyone from OpenMoko be at OSCON? |
| 14:58.56 | Xaos | question: TangoGPS (on FR) uses gpsd...but it looks like the agps-ui uses gllin...do these conflict if run together? |
| 14:59.07 | Dave | grumbles about postgis |
| 14:59.16 | Sp33d3v1l3r | You can't use gllin on the GTA02 |
| 14:59.22 | Sp33d3v1l3r | the hardware GPS takes its place |
| 14:59.22 | Dave | Period. |
| 14:59.30 | dtx | Hey could someone put up, or has someone put up (I couldn't find it), an explanation about the different mixer sliders and what needs to be done to get a decent amount of volume? |
| 14:59.32 | Dave | even if it's shitty :) |
| 14:59.36 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Well - you can use gllin on the GTA02 - but only if you take insane measures. |
| 14:59.37 | balrog-k1n | for some reason it's always when there are eight visible satellites that there are 3 among them with the signal strong enough to get a fix |
| 14:59.37 | dtx | on the wiki |
| 15:00.05 | balrog-k1n | and for some reason i never see six or seven.. once it hits five, after a cold start, it goes really quick to 8 |
| 15:00.10 | Dave | balrog you must reside in a shifty location. |
| 15:00.13 | balrog-k1n | on both the GTAs and the n810 |
| 15:00.22 | Dave | Mine goes to 12 instantly. |
| 15:00.27 | Dave | similarly :) |
| 15:00.36 | dtx | Or does anybody know of an explanation of them? |
| 15:00.38 | Dave | GTA02/N95 |
| 15:00.41 | tunys | balrog-k1n, where do you live? |
| 15:00.49 | dtx | I had the pizza dude hang up on me cuz he didn't hear anything |
| 15:00.56 | Dave | haha |
| 15:00.57 | dtx | that's totally unacceptable, never the pizza dude |
| 15:01.09 | Dave | We need a Pizza related wiki page? |
| 15:01.15 | _newbie3 | dtx: there are some presets you can load... |
| 15:01.16 | balrog-k1n | i need to put my own satellite in the orbit, just for me |
| 15:01.18 | Dave | Ordering_Pizza_from_your_Freerunner |
| 15:01.18 | balrog-k1n | stationary |
| 15:01.24 | tunys | Dave. What a cool nick. |
| 15:01.29 | Dave | Balrogkun, I'll chip in on that. |
| 15:01.32 | tunys | So simple, Dave. |
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| 15:01.38 | Dave | Tunys, thanks. |
| 15:01.46 | tunys | Yet it can be so meaningful at the same time |
| 15:01.47 | Dave | Isn't it? ;) |
| 15:01.51 | tunys | Dave. |
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| 15:02.03 | tunys | I am repeating it out loud right now over and over. |
| 15:02.04 | Dave | I am glad you see that. |
| 15:02.09 | _newbie3 | Dave mobile phone pizza protocol? |
| 15:02.12 | dtx | I thought those alsa state files were just what gets loaded at various times? |
| 15:02.16 | tunys | It just doesn't lose it's luster, Dave! |
| 15:02.35 | Dave | newbie3: PPP |
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| 15:02.46 | Dave | Pizza to Programmer Protocol |
| 15:02.53 | Dave | PPPoF |
| 15:02.56 | Dave | over Freerunner :P |
| 15:02.59 | _newbie3 | dtx: the state files are supposed to contains useful presets. |
| 15:03.06 | dtx | There is a dominos ordering program already, btw ;-) |
| 15:03.11 | tunys | Good one, Dave! |
| 15:03.11 | Dave | tunys, no, it doesn't! |
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| 15:03.23 | Dave | dtx, has anyone ported this to arm!? |
| 15:03.29 | dtx | I think its perl |
| 15:03.33 | balrog-k1n | tunys: you can call me Dave too, and i'll call you Dave, ok Dave? |
| 15:03.33 | Dave | oh hot! |
| 15:03.38 | Dave | checks teh cpan |
| 15:03.47 | Dave | balrog, negatory! |
| 15:03.57 | dtx | http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2008/04/02/get-your-pizza-order-status-from-dominos-from-terminal/ |
| 15:04.02 | balrog-k1n | Dave: i'm asking Dave :) |
| 15:04.08 | tunys | tuna@supertunacomp:~$ echo Dave | festival --tts |
| 15:04.10 | Dave | grips the hilt of his sword firmly |
| 15:04.19 | davi | When a cheaper a better openmoko mobile? |
| 15:04.25 | Sp33d3v1l3r | dtx: it's way more complex that just a mixer. It's an audio routing chip. |
| 15:04.45 | tunys | uh, wow |
| 15:04.53 | Dave | Speedevil, fix my broken freerunner please. |
| 15:04.56 | dtx | So what slider do I need to adjust to turn up the volume of my outgoing voice? |
| 15:05.02 | tunys | Sp33d3v1l3r, any relation to SpeedEvil? |
| 15:05.20 | dtx | SpeedEvil++ |
| 15:05.24 | Sp33d3v1l3r | tunys: He ain't heavy, he's my laptop |
| 15:05.35 | tunys | oic |
| 15:05.41 | tunys | My laptop is MrSkittle |
| 15:05.43 | Xaos | Dave: is that sword because there can be only one? |
| 15:05.49 | Dave | YES! |
| 15:05.50 | balrog-k1n | i think they are the relation of indentity |
| 15:05.51 | Xaos | LOL |
| 15:05.52 | Dave | >:) |
| 15:05.53 | tunys | or when I have internet trouble, I'm BLAAAAAHHH |
| 15:05.54 | balrog-k1n | *in |
| 15:05.59 | Dave | NOW YOU KNOW |
| 15:06.16 | Sp33d3v1l3r | dtx: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem |
| 15:06.40 | dtx | Sp33d3v1l3r: thank you |
| 15:06.47 | Ainulindale | mickey|zzZZzz: still need some information : this time on SMS (incoming gives an id, how do we get the content ?) |
| 15:09.29 | Xaos | Sp33d3v1|3r: is the FR audio subsystem the same? |
| 15:09.42 | Sp33d3v1l3r | dunno. |
| 15:09.45 | Sp33d3v1l3r | I think so. |
| 15:09.50 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Apart from the speaker output |
| 15:09.59 | Sp33d3v1l3r | which teher is one only on th]e FR |
| 15:10.21 | Xaos | true |
| 15:10.41 | TAsn | why would anyone need two speakers on a phone anyway?! |
| 15:10.57 | newb | Xaos: which image were u saying has this GPS fix? |
| 15:11.01 | dtx | bipolar? |
| 15:11.07 | newb | Xaos: how can i find out which image i'm using |
| 15:11.28 | TAsn | newb, the gps fix is rather new. |
| 15:11.35 | Xaos | newb: I cannot guarantee it has the fix, but I'm using the 20080718 (today's) daily build of GTK...let me get the URL |
| 15:11.36 | TAsn | so use a nightly build. |
| 15:12.01 | newb | TAsn: what command can i use to find out which build i'm using? |
| 15:12.08 | Xaos | newb: go here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080718/ |
| 15:12.22 | newb | TAsn: i only did a opkg upgrade |
| 15:12.30 | TAsn | no idea |
| 15:12.39 | Xaos | get these two files (at least they're what I got): http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080718/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 15:12.52 | TAsn | though i guess the gtk that came with the device :) |
| 15:12.57 | Xaos | and http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080718/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
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| 15:13.20 | Xaos | newb: you will also need the dfu-util (do you have that?) |
| 15:13.44 | newb | Xaos: yes :) this will b the 5th time i flash this device since yest |
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| 15:14.02 | Dave | removes Xaos's sd card |
| 15:14.02 | Xaos | newb: you're ahead of me then...I think this was #4 for me |
| 15:14.05 | newb | i tried out enlightenment, Qtopia and Openmoko . i liked Qtopia from the usabililty perspective |
| 15:14.27 | Xaos | Qtopia WAS nice from usability...but I couldn't put any OTHER apps on it |
| 15:14.40 | Dave | right :p |
| 15:15.12 | Xaos | AND...I couldn't "ssh -X" into it and have some real fun |
| 15:15.14 | Xaos | ;-) |
| 15:15.18 | Dave | :P |
| 15:15.49 | Xaos | I think FSO is going to be awesome eventually...I'm betting that SHR will be out before FSO gets good... |
| 15:16.06 | Xaos | then we merge SHR back into FSO and rejoice as the planet's align |
| 15:16.12 | davi | What is FSO? |
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| 15:16.14 | Sebastian | Is there a difference between a "daily build" and what I get from "opkg update && opkg upgrade"? |
| 15:16.16 | Dave | FOR THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! |
| 15:16.28 | Xaos | and by "we" I mean the developers that do all the REAL work ;-) |
| 15:16.46 | Xaos | maybe GTA03 should be called the Neo Highlander |
| 15:16.47 | Dave | Xaos, and our smiting sword of unbelieving? ;) |
| 15:16.54 | Dave | Hell yeah! |
| 15:16.57 | Xaos | LOL |
| 15:17.18 | Dave | readies his can 'o spraypaint and x-acto knife for the stencil |
| 15:17.28 | Dave | >:] |
| 15:17.32 | Xaos | GTA05 must be called the Babylon (as in Babylon 5...the last best hope) |
| 15:17.35 | Dave | Should I put THAT on the wiki, once I'm done, Xaos? :p |
| 15:17.36 | Dave | hahaha |
| 15:17.42 | Dave | I'm sure leinir would be partial to that :p |
| 15:17.42 | Xaos | sure! |
| 15:17.56 | Dave | but would probably then just flash the qtopia image -- traitor :P |
| 15:18.05 | Xaos | LOL |
| 15:18.15 | davi | What is the deadline for GTA03 & GTA05? |
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| 15:18.25 | Xaos | Dave: you DO have to admit that as a phone, the pure Qtopia image rocks |
| 15:18.45 | Xaos | davi: probably a year after hell freezes over |
| 15:18.46 | Xaos | ;-) |
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| 15:19.12 | rockstar | Xaos, except no syncing tools... |
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| 15:19.23 | Dave | xaos, uhh not really |
| 15:19.27 | Xaos | I said as a phone...not a pda |
| 15:19.32 | Dave | Xaos, the Configuration menu crashes the phone |
| 15:19.35 | Dave | no thanks |
| 15:19.45 | dtx | how do I play anything in Media Player |
| 15:19.48 | dtx | ? |
| 15:19.48 | Dave | it has no usability, if you can't install apps or configure anything |
| 15:19.55 | Xaos | Dave: LOL...but it's not like ANY of the images are great all around either |
| 15:19.59 | Dave | and has limited connectivity |
| 15:20.03 | Dave | yeah yeah |
| 15:20.08 | Dave | go smoke an fso |
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| 15:20.17 | Xaos | Dave: I agree...I'm talking about people who just want a phone right now |
| 15:20.25 | rockstar | I'd be happy just to get wireless working |
| 15:20.33 | Xaos | not a uber-1337 device |
| 15:20.53 | Xaos | rockstar: I got my WPA2 home network working on it pretty easily... |
| 15:20.53 | dtx | how do you load an audio file in the media player? |
| 15:21.03 | Xaos | rockstar: let me find what I did |
| 15:21.06 | ecraven | hey :) just drove my FR home for 100km, the gps works great without an sd card |
| 15:21.13 | ecraven | getting a fix after tunnels in less then 3 seconds |
| 15:21.14 | bricode | Where are the irc logs for this channel? My client died last night. |
| 15:21.22 | Dave | Xaos, you mean the whiny bitches? |
| 15:21.30 | rockstar | Xaos, I don't even see a doc app for working with it. |
| 15:21.31 | Dave | ;) |
| 15:21.35 | Dave | sup rockstar? |
| 15:21.36 | faern | bricode: do you need to read everything? :P |
| 15:21.43 | Dave | you rockin' out with your freerunner yet? |
| 15:21.44 | Xaos | Dave: exactly...like me! |
| 15:21.47 | rockstar | Dave, not much, still tinkering. |
| 15:21.50 | Dave | haha :p |
| 15:21.51 | Xaos | rockstar: http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN |
| 15:21.55 | ecraven | is there a gps navigation system for the neo yet? something that tells me where to drive? |
| 15:21.56 | bricode | faern: It helps :) |
| 15:21.56 | Dave | comforts Xaos |
| 15:22.00 | dtx | ~media player |
| 15:22.12 | rockstar | The biggest problem is that I don't have enough time to spend with my FreeRunner |
| 15:22.15 | Dave | Xaos and any software patch for the GPS will only do so much, if your gps antenna is broken :P |
| 15:22.29 | Xaos | rockstar: get the sample wpa_supplicant.conf (modify as needed) then go to the "An alternative way to automate" section...that's all you need |
| 15:22.40 | jakob__ | i have just merged the articles "Booting from SD" and "Boot from sd card" in the wiki. During this I added some more information I discovered during my tries to boot from the sd card. Maybe someone could take a look to make sure I did not loose some valid information during the merge. |
| 15:22.44 | Xaos | Dave: true |
| 15:22.49 | rockstar | Xaos, I've got an open wireless network |
| 15:23.16 | rockstar | No need for wpa_supplicant |
| 15:23.19 | Xaos | Dave: so, since my GPS has worked at least some, does that leave out the antenna issue for me...or was that one intermittent too? |
| 15:23.40 | Xaos | rockstar: that method will work for open networks too I believe...look at the conf file |
| 15:23.59 | newb | easiest way to set the date and time on the freerunner? |
| 15:24.07 | Xaos | wpa_supplicant may be overkill, but it has an entry in the conf for open networks |
| 15:24.15 | Xaos | newb: opkg install ntpdate |
| 15:24.26 | Xaos | newb: ntpdate us.pool.ntp.org |
| 15:24.34 | Xaos | you need a network connection obviously |
| 15:24.43 | DPThough1 | ecraven: yes, Navit works prettry well |
| 15:24.49 | rockstar | I'll look. I was hoping more for something like NetworkManager |
| 15:24.52 | Xaos | needs to figure out how to get ntpd to get time from the gps clock |
| 15:25.05 | Xaos | rockstar: aren't we all |
| 15:25.14 | rockstar | Xaos, :) |
| 15:25.20 | ecraven | DPThough1: thanks, looking into that! |
| 15:25.29 | rockstar | If I find time, maybe I'll write one |
| 15:25.36 | DPThough1 | ecraven: but the openmoko build has not ben updated for a long time and was properly integrated |
| 15:25.49 | Xaos | jakob__: THANKS! that's one of the things I've been thinking about doing recently (booting up...not munging the files) |
| 15:26.10 | Xaos | rockstar: I'll test it out for you if you want a guinea pig |
| 15:26.28 | Dave | sqeak |
| 15:26.37 | newb | Xaos: and how about timezone? any clue? its getting me onto ur timezone lol |
| 15:26.41 | rockstar | Xaos, well, the time factor has everything to do with what language I can write it in |
| 15:27.00 | Dave | peeeeeaaaaaaaaarrrrllll |
| 15:27.08 | DPThough1 | ecraven: navit-project.org and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Alessandro |
| 15:27.12 | Dave | ECRAVEN! |
| 15:27.15 | Dave | IT'S YOU! |
| 15:27.40 | rockstar | Dave, python plz :) |
| 15:27.48 | Dave | Xaos, and the antenna issue permanent hardware, until you fix it. |
| 15:27.57 | Dave | Rockstar, teach me your weirding way :) |
| 15:28.19 | ecraven | Dave: aye, it's me :) |
| 15:28.24 | Dave | :D |
| 15:28.41 | Dave | Wish you were here yesterday we were episodically talking about neod |
| 15:28.58 | Dave | I got to experience more of the absolute joys it brings to the phone, yesterday. |
| 15:30.09 | rockstar | Dave, I think the actual NetworkManager is in python. I might be able to just strip it down. |
| 15:30.37 | Dave | :] |
| 15:31.26 | Xaos | newb: Set timezone this way: http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Timezone |
| 15:31.46 | Xaos | rockstar: I'm working on picking up python...you can do it in that and I could probably help tweak |
| 15:31.47 | Xaos | ;-) |
| 15:32.24 | rockstar | Xaos, I gets paid to write python, I know a bit about it. :) |
| 15:32.26 | Xaos | rockstar: really...it's in python already...that would be cool |
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| 15:33.08 | Dave | rockstar, ooh, goodie |
| 15:33.11 | Dave | Then you can help me :D |
| 15:33.23 | Xaos | rockstar: I'm the "scripting guy" on the "windows team" (all my personal machines are linux which I find hilarious)...the app dev team uses python a LOT and have been bugging me to pick it up...now I have a GOOD reason |
| 15:33.36 | dtx | is there a way I can install all of python? |
| 15:33.45 | edistar | rockstar: wicd is good, too |
| 15:33.45 | dtx | instead of each module one by one |
| 15:33.49 | newb | Xaos: thx :) |
| 15:33.51 | Xaos | opkg list | grep python |
| 15:34.08 | Xaos | pipe that output to a for loop that does an opkg install |
| 15:34.08 | dtx | right |
| 15:34.23 | Xaos | I leave the details to the reader ;-) |
| 15:34.25 | dtx | well, I'd probably need to filter that through awk first |
| 15:34.51 | Xaos | what CAN'T you do with awk, grep, and sed? |
| 15:34.52 | dtx | I wish there was a python-full |
| 15:35.07 | Xaos | dtx: that WOULD be cool... |
| 15:35.35 | dtx | I seemed to remember when building an image for Zaurus that there was like a meta package for python |
| 15:35.42 | Dave | wow cool |
| 15:36.03 | dtx | that would be nice to have |
| 15:36.04 | dtx | :-p |
| 15:36.37 | Dave | rockstar, teach me python later :] |
| 15:37.27 | Xaos | Dave: rockstar: here's the doc I'm using to pick it up (from a guy that does a lot of OTHER scripting, it's pretty good) http://www.ibiblio.org/swaroopch/byteofpython/files/120/byteofpython_120.pdf |
| 15:38.07 | Gnutoo | i see there is a hardware fix for the GPS...will it be applied on unit that are already manufactured but not shipped yet? |
| 15:38.11 | Xaos | I think the author (Swaroop) was a Marine in a former life because his name spelled backwards is Poo Raws! ;-) |
| 15:38.33 | dtx | Gnutoo: not likely |
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| 15:38.56 | Gnutoo | dtx, ok so i'll have to live with the sofware fix... |
| 15:39.01 | rockstar | Xaos, Dave, http://www.diveintopython.org/ |
| 15:40.19 | Xaos | rockstar: thanks...I'll d/l it and put it on my 770 with FBreader (until I can get FBreader on my Neo that is) |
| 15:40.45 | rockstar | Xaos, yea, I am also hoping my FR can replace the 770 |
| 15:40.46 | newb | leaves for dinner |
| 15:41.42 | Xaos | rockstar: I need FBreader and gnumeric added to completely get rid of my 770 (well...the wife will probably steal THAT too) |
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| 15:42.27 | Gnutoo | by the way is the audio quality ok for phone calls in FSO images? |
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| 15:42.32 | Xaos | rockstar: my goal is to get my FR to replace my RAZR, 770, and a GPS device (which I never bought because I've been waiting for the FR) |
| 15:42.39 | Dave | rockstar \o/ |
| 15:42.51 | Xaos | Gnutoo: never made a call when I had FSO on so I don't know |
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| 15:43.04 | Chocky | kiddywinks |
| 15:43.08 | Gnutoo | Xaos, so mabe you made calls with another image? |
| 15:43.55 | Dave | It's a trap! |
| 15:44.15 | mmontour | Sp33d3v1l3r: (reading the msg backlog...) I once tried running a Tomtom 'gltt' binary against the Neo1973 Hammerhead. There are differences in how some of the registers are initialized, possibly different clock divisors or something. Anyway, it didn't work. |
| 15:44.27 | Xaos | I've had calls with scaredycats image (GTK), Qtopia (pure), and currently have the latest daily GTK build on but haven't called yet |
| 15:45.04 | Dave | slick |
| 15:45.08 | Gnutoo | rockstar, your name is rockstar because the phone is GTA? |
| 15:45.28 | donomo | ha |
| 15:46.01 | rockstar | Gnutoo, no, it's because I learned to fingertap when I was 15, and thought I was destined for stardom... |
| 15:46.09 | smhar | I am waiting for the 25th July deadline for the availibilty of FR in the webstore. I can live with ustable software that will need cobtinouse updating til it becomes usable, after all I use debian testing :-) although it is more stable than many other stable system :-) |
| 15:46.09 | rockstar | Thanks for rubbin that in... :) |
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| 15:46.47 | Gnutoo | Xaos, and the audio quality was fine? not like what's described here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality ? |
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| 15:47.11 | rockstar | smhar, real men use unstable. :) |
| 15:47.25 | smhar | my only worry is the hardware. will the new batch be bug free in the hardware? things like the GPS antena could be a show breaker if it happened to the sim card or the wifi |
| 15:47.33 | Dave | Experimental! |
| 15:47.54 | Dave | Impressive! |
| 15:48.05 | rockstar | Pirates! |
| 15:48.09 | Chocky | onnoes |
| 15:48.11 | smhar | rockstar, well, I can not afford to use unstable in production server and desktop, this is my I am using testing |
| 15:48.50 | Chocky | really wonders at the people who come in here looking for assurances about stability and production quality, etc. |
| 15:48.52 | rockstar | smhar, I work for Canonical, so I don't run Debian much at all anymore. |
| 15:48.55 | Xaos | Gnutoo: the GTK(scaredycat) mic volume was too low...didn't take the time to play with alsamixer though |
| 15:48.56 | Gnutoo | rockstar, ah ok... |
| 15:49.01 | smhar | my 4 years son game pc is testing/unstable hybird |
| 15:49.04 | Gnutoo | Xaos, ok |
| 15:49.05 | Chocky | Debian pwns you all |
| 15:49.27 | Dave | Chocky :p |
| 15:49.30 | Chocky | 4 year old also uses Debian unstable :p |
| 15:49.37 | rockstar | Chocky, until you realize that your software is 4 years old :) |
| 15:49.39 | Xaos | Gnutoo: it seemed that the Qtopia defaults were higher volume and it had a slider to adjust speaker and mic separately... |
| 15:49.47 | Dave | ahaha |
| 15:49.49 | Dave | He's got you there :p |
| 15:49.52 | Gnutoo | Xaos, ok thanks |
| 15:49.53 | Chocky | rockstar: It's not. |
| 15:49.58 | Xaos | rockstar: NICE! |
| 15:50.05 | Dave | I think he meant four year oldS |
| 15:50.06 | Dave | :P |
| 15:50.24 | Chocky | we use Etch here for our products and most of that's plenty relevant. some bits we updated, but it's fine. |
| 15:50.30 | smhar | oops |
| 15:50.34 | Chocky | if I want newer, I'll pull unstable |
| 15:50.38 | Dave | lenny? |
| 15:50.40 | rockstar | No, I mean that Debian's software got released upstream FOUR YEARS AGO :) |
| 15:50.52 | Xaos | I used to use Debian (2000-2003 time frame) now I'm a Kubuntu guy...I can still jack with things, but most of it "Just Works" |
| 15:51.12 | smhar | 4 years old son's 10 years old pc (almost) |
| 15:51.18 | Chocky | Dave: I mean for a 4 year old, yes. kid, not the computer, although the computer is about the same age :o |
| 15:51.20 | mmontour | Xaos: regarding your earlier question, Freerunner is not the same as the "Neo1973 Audio Subsystem" page. A different amplifier chip is used, and IIRC the earpiece speaker is connected to LOUT2/ROUT2 of the wm8753 |
| 15:51.29 | Dave | Xaos, and by that admission you are simply stating you are no longer a guy. ;) |
| 15:51.44 | rockstar | Are there any Python scripters here with experience with the FR? |
| 15:51.44 | Chocky | high fives Dave |
| 15:51.45 | Dave | Chocky, I know what you meant :p |
| 15:51.58 | Dave | :) |
| 15:52.32 | Xaos | Dave: no...still a guy...just one that now has 4 small kids and not as much time to dink with things that he'd like to ;-) |
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| 15:52.45 | Chocky | Debian has plenty of problems, but those are mostly problems elsewhere too. Of if you compare Fedora, that has far more inexcusable problems. |
| 15:53.00 | Xaos | mmontour: thanks! |
| 15:54.18 | Dave | :D |
| 15:55.16 | Chocky | D: -< evil Dave twin |
| 15:55.24 | Dave | >:) |
| 15:55.27 | Dave | (hoenoes) |
| 15:55.46 | dtx | so when I go into the dialer app it loads one of the alsa state files on connect correct? |
| 15:55.50 | Chocky | we can be hoenoheros |
| 15:55.51 | Dave | I wonder if I can stream live my freerunner autopsy from the lab, today |
| 15:55.59 | dtx | and is that volume slider actually changing a mixer setting? |
| 15:56.10 | Chocky | Why is it being autoposied? |
| 15:56.20 | Dave | because it's broke, yo |
| 15:56.38 | Chocky | yes, but how did you break it? |
| 15:56.46 | Dave | I didn't, I swear! |
| 15:56.47 | Sp33d3v1l3r | I'm betting extreme sports. |
| 15:56.53 | Dave | XTREME! |
| 15:56.57 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Donkey-lifting. |
| 15:57.02 | Dave | Where the X stands for XXX. |
| 15:57.04 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Bungee snowboarding. |
| 15:57.08 | Chocky | SpeedEvil: my RipStik comes today :o |
| 15:57.21 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Base BMXing. |
| 15:57.33 | Gnutoo | Xaos, so no echo? |
| 15:57.37 | Dave | More like rocket luging. |
| 15:57.55 | Xaos | Gnutoo...I didn't hear any echo... |
| 15:58.01 | Chocky | extreme ironing! |
| 15:58.02 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Chocky: whassat? |
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| 15:58.21 | Chocky | Sp33d3v1l3r: caster board. 2 wheeled cross between skateboard and snowboard |
| 15:58.24 | Xaos | Dave: XXX and rocket luging are a bad combo...especially with the vibe turned on on your FR |
| 15:58.28 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Chocky: ah. |
| 15:58.36 | Dave | :D |
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| 15:58.45 | Gnutoo | Xaos, wow...ok so mabe i could use it also as a phone but i'm still undecided if i will use as a phone or not because it can miss calls... |
| 15:59.02 | Dave | Call forwarding please. |
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| 15:59.28 | Sp33d3v1l3r | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rip%20Stick%20 |
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| 15:59.44 | mmontour | jacob__: thanks for merging those two sd-boot pages. The new one still has a lot of obsolete information (like "The default 2.6.22.5 kernel..."). I'd recommend taking out the very-old stuff, writing the main page for Freerunner, and adding a sub-page describing the differences for GTA01 (like the lack of SDHC support in gta01 u-boot) |
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| 16:00.12 | peeps[work] | i'm wondering where contacts are stored, and if this data were on a separate partition, could it be used by all images? |
| 16:00.58 | Chocky | peeps[work]: I'm sure that could be done. |
| 16:01.13 | mmontour | Xaos: the echo problem is heard by the person on the other end of the phone call, not by the person using the Freerunner |
| 16:01.26 | peeps[work] | i think it's a good idea, to use a separate "home" partition |
| 16:01.41 | TAsn | Sp33d3v1l3r, i own a ripstick. |
| 16:01.52 | Xaos | mmontour: yeah...my wife didn't mention an echo...just that the volume was very low |
| 16:02.21 | Sp33d3v1l3r | TAsn: /me has no real opinion other than I'm not really interested in that sort of thing. |
| 16:02.23 | Dave | To the lab! |
| 16:02.29 | mmontour | The good news is no echo. The bad news is that you may get one after you turn the volume up to the proper level |
| 16:02.36 | Chocky | Sp33d3v1l3r: I only mention it because of the exteme sports thing |
| 16:02.37 | Xaos | Dave: to the Bat Cave! |
| 16:02.38 | Sp33d3v1l3r | There is a fix to the low volume level. |
| 16:02.48 | Chocky | it's becoming mainstream now, so almost doesn't qualify |
| 16:02.57 | TAsn | Sp33d3v1l3r, me :) |
| 16:02.57 | mmontour | Sp33d3v1l3r: yes, shouting. :) |
| 16:02.58 | Xaos | mmontour: ahhh...well that explains it...now...how do I turn up the vol? |
| 16:02.59 | Dave | To the Dave cave! |
| 16:03.05 | Dave | hops in the Davemobile. |
| 16:03.07 | TAsn | *he |
| 16:03.10 | TAsn | *hehe |
| 16:03.12 | TAsn | damn it ;) |
| 16:03.20 | Chocky | Waves to Dave in the Cave bravely |
| 16:03.24 | Dave | hides his alter identity |
| 16:03.38 | Chocky | DaveRobin! |
| 16:03.39 | Xaos | Look...is that Daveman and Bobbin? |
| 16:04.15 | Xaos | Bobbin is Daveman's slightly homesexual seamstress/partner |
| 16:04.16 | Xaos | ;-) |
| 16:04.27 | Xaos | not that there's anything wrong with that ;-) |
| 16:04.29 | mmontour | "alsamixer -V all", then adjust Mic2 or one of the other elements in the audio path shown on the "Neo1973 Audio Subsystem" page. |
| 16:04.34 | Sp33d3v1l3r | fix: http://youtube.com/watch?v=21lOpV5c2OQ |
| 16:04.42 | Xaos | mmontour: thanky! |
| 16:04.48 | cjb | aw, the sound on my FR stopped working overnight. |
| 16:05.14 | cjb | maybe it suspended? I didn't notice it.. |
| 16:05.17 | Sp33d3v1l3r | (fix for the sound being quiet) |
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| 16:06.07 | Dave | or perhaps it just doesn't like you |
| 16:06.17 | Xaos | Nice YouTube! that's funny! |
| 16:06.41 | peeps[work] | what's the vid. i can't watch at the moment? |
| 16:07.04 | Sp33d3v1l3r | peeps[work]: It's an alternate fix for if you're too quiet at teh other end. |
| 16:07.20 | peeps[work] | ah |
| 16:07.31 | Xaos | guy with a HUGE phone that rings...he answers it and starts YELLING into it...it's in several locations (art gallery, restaurant, etc. etc.) performance art I imagine |
| 16:07.51 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Xaos: TV - it's a short sketch show. |
| 16:07.59 | Xaos | haha...he's in the library now... HELLO?!? YEAH! I'M IN THE LIBRARY! |
| 16:08.04 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Xaos: those are collections from many progtams. |
| 16:08.29 | Xaos | nice...I like the compilation better than I think I would like to see them spread out |
| 16:08.55 | Xaos | hahaha...he's on a handsfree now...it's HUGE too |
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| 16:10.03 | dtx | So can you actually read text messages some how? |
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| 16:11.44 | edistar | dtx: of course you can |
| 16:11.52 | dtx | I see I got 1 text message |
| 16:12.07 | dtx | I went to the folder icon |
| 16:12.17 | dtx | and I see the message object |
| 16:12.21 | dtx | but I can't open it or anything |
| 16:12.32 | edistar | press the center icon at the bottom |
| 16:12.49 | dtx | right |
| 16:12.51 | dtx | I did |
| 16:12.58 | dtx | doesn't say anything |
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| 16:13.09 | dtx | just shows an icon with a date beside it |
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| 16:15.12 | dtx | maybe that was a voice message |
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| 16:18.00 | dtx | I guess its showing voice mails as sms messages? |
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| 16:18.57 | mmontour | Depends on your carrier. I get an SMS like "Voice message total: 3" whenever I get new messages. |
| 16:19.19 | mmontour | s/messages/voicemail messages/ |
| 16:19.22 | wcollins | I have a dumb question about placing calls from my new Freerunner...is this the right place? |
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| 16:19.48 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Sure. |
| 16:19.52 | CM | wcollins: yes, but beware of dumb answers ;,) |
| 16:19.55 | mmontour | wcollins: after you've read the "getting started" page, this is the right place. |
| 16:20.10 | IguanaNed796 | G'day all |
| 16:20.32 | wcollins | Excellent...thanks...Inbound calls work fine but the dialer app closes after trying to place the call |
| 16:20.39 | IguanaNed796 | anyone here using moko on Rogers Wireless? |
| 16:20.47 | IguanaNed796 | hey wcollins |
| 16:21.01 | wcollins | I used libgsmd-tool to enter the AT commands and get "NO CARRIER" |
| 16:21.05 | IguanaNed796 | wcollins: im in same boat |
| 16:21.14 | wcollins | yup...Rogers Wireless |
| 16:21.35 | wcollins | I pointed my syslog to a file if that would be helpful |
| 16:21.50 | CM | Did people here see Matt Asay's post about the Freerunner? |
| 16:21.51 | CM | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9994040-16.html |
| 16:22.02 | CM | Kind of harsh I think.. |
| 16:22.10 | bricode | IguanaNed796: I've got it working on Rogers. |
| 16:22.23 | IguanaNed796 | inbound too? |
| 16:22.51 | IguanaNed796 | err outbound and inboud working on rogers ? |
| 16:23.59 | bricode | IguanaNed796: Both. |
| 16:24.13 | bricode | In Ontario and BC. |
| 16:24.27 | wcollins | bricode, what software are you using? did you have to do anything special in the cfg? |
| 16:24.29 | IguanaNed796 | hmm Freeruner? |
| 16:24.33 | bricode | IguanaNed796: I'm also using the 2007.2 image from Jul 10th. |
| 16:25.26 | IguanaNed796 | i tried with image that shipped.. no outbound.. Now I have qtopia loaded still no outbound |
| 16:26.07 | wcollins | same here...the logs show "No CARRIER", I tried with +1416XXXXXX as well |
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| 16:26.35 | dtx | Does anyone know, does FreeRunner load one of those alsa state files when you are connected? I'd like to get the volume on the mic cranked up, but don't know where to go. |
| 16:27.09 | Ainulindale | dtx: yep |
| 16:27.12 | Ainulindale | dtx: phone-kit does that |
| 16:27.22 | mmontour | "gsmhandset.state" is the one for a normal phone call |
| 16:27.23 | DaveLab | Chocky: What's poppin', C? |
| 16:27.31 | Ainulindale | It lounds alsa states (located in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios I thinkà |
| 16:27.55 | Ainulindale | So find the appropriate setting and save it in the appropriate file there |
| 16:29.30 | *** topic/#openmoko by Sp33d3v1l3r -> Openmoko | Freerunner is out of stock. | Official Updates: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. | Community dev #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
| 16:29.33 | Xaos | wcollins: sorry for the late reply...but there are no dumb questions...however, there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots out there ;-) |
| 16:29.53 | Chocky | there are plenty of dumb answers, however |
| 16:30.05 | Chocky | Dave: what now? |
| 16:30.09 | DaveLab | mmmmmmmmmmmontour |
| 16:31.12 | dtx | So when you guys first made a call could anybody hear you? |
| 16:31.17 | dtx | Cuz they couldn't hear me at all |
| 16:31.28 | dtx | It just sounds like quiet mumbling on their end |
| 16:31.37 | Xaos | Wow...just read Matt Asay's article...so...which interface did he choose? sheesh! load pretty little qtopia and let him look at it again (not saying it's the best...but it is the prettiest) |
| 16:31.41 | Ainulindale | dtx: Yep but with buzzing |
| 16:31.49 | Ainulindale | If I crank up some settings I end with buzzing or echo |
| 16:31.51 | mmontour | Hi DaveLab |
| 16:32.31 | Chocky | hm, I look after a library named DeskLib. confusing vs DaveLab |
| 16:32.39 | Chocky | DaveLib |
| 16:32.45 | rockstar | One nitpick with the ASU image phone. Don't lock the screen while I'm en the phone. |
| 16:33.09 | Ainulindale | rockstar: There's better. My OM 2007.2 suspends when I'm on the phone :-) |
| 16:33.18 | Ainulindale | (If I talk too much) |
| 16:33.23 | rockstar | While the system locked, I lost audio for about 5 seconds, and then I had to unlock to hang up. |
| 16:33.42 | rockstar | Other that and the mic placement, it makes calls great. |
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| 16:33.51 | DaveLab | :) |
| 16:34.00 | DaveLab | rockstar, assy. |
| 16:34.11 | DaveLab | rockstar, right, just dim |
| 16:34.26 | DaveLab | also I swear, I'd be vieing for a physical hold button right now |
| 16:34.30 | DaveLab | this is fucking ridiculous :) |
| 16:34.48 | DaveLab | (on any image) |
| 16:34.48 | rockstar | :) |
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| 16:35.47 | fuzzyt | DaveLab: qtopia has hold button |
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| 16:36.36 | Gnutoo | what's the revision of the freerunner that is shipping v6? |
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| 16:37.15 | DaveLab | zomg!? |
| 16:37.21 | DaveLab | dude just turn the aux into one |
| 16:37.23 | DaveLab | it's simple |
| 16:37.49 | rockstar | DaveLab, I was gonna just suggest that |
| 16:37.52 | DaveLab | it is difficult to accidentally depress anyway, so one could even settle upon a 3sec hold |
| 16:38.00 | DaveLab | or 2 or something :) |
| 16:38.03 | DaveLab | right! |
| 16:38.04 | DaveLab | :D |
| 16:38.21 | rockstar | Yea, my buddy's face constantly hangs up on people |
| 16:38.31 | DaveLab | it's stupid that not only does the LCD fully illuminate when touched and locked, but it TAKES INPUT! |
| 16:38.34 | DaveLab | rockstar: rofl |
| 16:39.36 | Xaos | ok...I'm in alsamixer, and cannot find where to adjust Mic2 I can switch between Mic1 and Mic2, but cannot adjust the volume...any assistance would be appreciated |
| 16:40.05 | Xaos | nevermind...I was in Playback...not capture |
| 16:40.07 | Xaos | doh! |
| 16:40.19 | Xaos | remembers some comment about inquisitive idiots |
| 16:40.25 | Xaos | ;-) |
| 16:40.39 | DaveLab | ugggggggggggggh |
| 16:40.48 | DaveLab | ecraven: why won't my power button work? :) |
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| 16:41.24 | DaveLab | The Doctor is IN. |
| 16:41.41 | doc|work | ! |
| 16:41.50 | DaveLab | Exclamation Point! |
| 16:42.02 | doc|work | http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/07/18/gps-data-exonerates.html#comments |
| 16:42.20 | DaveLab | o.O |
| 16:42.21 | doc|work | interesting, wonder if there's a way to do that with the freerunner without using a 3rd party. |
| 16:42.21 | Gnutoo | ok it seems to be the v6....so the gps/sd bug is fixed now....but what about the GSM issues like this one: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1376 could it be solved by software? |
| 16:43.10 | donomo | Gnutoo: it is fixed? is the fix a software solution or hardware? |
| 16:43.16 | doc|work | Gnutoo: yes |
| 16:43.31 | IguanaNed796 | is there a diagnostic tool for gsm? |
| 16:43.46 | Gnutoo | donomo, there is both |
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| 16:44.10 | donomo | Gnutoo: is the software part in the opkg repository yet? |
| 16:44.19 | rockstar | Xaos, hit <Tab> |
| 16:44.19 | Gnutoo | donomo, but if you don't like the hardware fix you could use the software fix wich is more simple |
| 16:44.35 | Gnutoo | donomo, don't know... |
| 16:44.46 | Gnutoo | donomo, mabe there is a changelog |
| 16:44.52 | kd8ikt | IguanaNed796: agpsiu |
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| 16:45.25 | DaveLab | Gnutoo, GPS is hardly "fixed." |
| 16:45.26 | rockstar | WOOT! Wifi on ASU! |
| 16:45.32 | kd8ikt | i think just do opkg list |grep agps you'd find the ui diag tool |
| 16:45.40 | DaveLab | rockstar, you wish ;p |
| 16:45.43 | donomo | he said GSM, not GPS |
| 16:45.56 | kd8ikt | oh |
| 16:46.02 | DaveLab | OH is right. |
| 16:46.04 | kd8ikt | damn all these acronyms |
| 16:46.07 | ecraven | DaveLab: no idea, but hold it longer ;) |
| 16:46.22 | donomo | its a french conspiracy |
| 16:46.25 | rockstar | DaveLab, no. it's working. I just pinged google |
| 16:46.27 | Gnutoo | DaveLab, ouch...i was told that the patch could work even if i had my rootfs on sd....if i do not play mp3 or do something else during the initial satellite search |
| 16:46.49 | DaveLab | ;) |
| 16:47.00 | DaveLab | Gnutoo, it doesn't solve the problem. |
| 16:47.07 | zedstar | my favourite acronym on the wiki is MILF |
| 16:47.07 | DaveLab | There's also a multitude of problems surrounding the GPS. |
| 16:47.12 | DaveLab | That was only one of them. |
| 16:47.13 | Hydrant | anyone running qtopia? know how to sync with a linux box ? like for the calendar ? |
| 16:47.17 | DaveLab | zedstar? :] |
| 16:47.29 | rockstar | Hydrant, no tools exist. Write one plz |
| 16:47.32 | Gnutoo | DaveLab, what are the others problems? the antenna problem? |
| 16:47.52 | Hydrant | rockstar: there is qtopia desktop, which supposedly does that but I'm not sure if it's defunct |
| 16:48.01 | zedstar | DaveLab: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MiLF_interface |
| 16:48.04 | donomo | would it be worth while to create a wifi manager of some sort for 2007.2? |
| 16:48.12 | Ainulindale | donomo: I think so. |
| 16:48.23 | doc|work | donomo: absolutely, if one doesn't exist |
| 16:48.26 | donomo | im thinking of a standalone application rather than something fancy |
| 16:48.34 | donomo | doc|work: i havent been able to find anything yet. |
| 16:48.39 | DaveLab | :D |
| 16:48.42 | DaveLab | zedstar :D |
| 16:48.45 | Ainulindale | I don't think there is one |
| 16:48.54 | DaveLab | Gnutoo, interference, voltage, and antenna. |
| 16:49.04 | donomo | i did this in c++/gtk a long time ago: http://apradar.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:49.08 | DaveLab | that's not counting the sensor problem. |
| 16:49.13 | DaveLab | But there is no fix for that. |
| 16:49.25 | DaveLab | Many of the hardware issues will be fixed for the next phone. |
| 16:49.44 | DaveLab | But still resolutions are being sought for the current model that is already out, at least that is my understanding of it. |
| 16:49.56 | donomo | i figure doing the same on openmoko is doable |
| 16:49.58 | rockstar | But be prepared to shell out $400 again. :) |
| 16:49.59 | DaveLab | crap I hope we have a torx set handy here. |
| 16:50.19 | DaveLab | preps his autopsy table |
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| 16:51.26 | Gnutoo | DaveLab, mabe i should wait for the next phone...but when will they be out...within a year...more? |
| 16:51.32 | Sp33d3v1l3r | GPS - the software 'fix' results in whenever you access the SD - the GPS signal strength drops to about 2% of the nominal. |
| 16:51.51 | Hydrant | rockstar: did you decide to get rid of your FR ? |
| 16:52.05 | rockstar | Hydrant, not at the moment. |
| 16:52.29 | rockstar | is playing opkg upgrade |
| 16:52.35 | rockstar | The end guy is hard |
| 16:52.42 | donomo | ha |
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| 16:53.46 | DaveLab | Gnutoo, no clue |
| 16:53.57 | Gnutoo | DaveLab, ok |
| 16:54.00 | dtx | What is voice sidetone? |
| 16:54.05 | DaveLab | Though not many people seem to have more than the microsd issue surrounding the gps |
| 16:54.07 | kd8ikt | rockstar: first time? i'd suggest "opkg upgrade &" cause when mine upgraded dropbear my connection would die and opkg upgrade killed |
| 16:54.12 | DaveLab | other than the voltage problem which affects everyone |
| 16:54.20 | Sp33d3v1l3r | sidetone is the audio from the mic played back into the speaker, so you can hear yourself |
| 16:54.21 | DaveLab | though it's not as much of a showstopping issues |
| 16:54.22 | DaveLab | issue |
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| 16:54.29 | rockstar | kd8ikt, I fear I barked my install... |
| 16:54.29 | DaveLab | Hello Speedevil! :) |
| 16:54.33 | Sp33d3v1l3r | It's a psychological reassurance that the phone is not broken. |
| 16:54.38 | Ainulindale | DaveLab: is there any other issue ? |
| 16:54.40 | kd8ikt | nah |
| 16:54.42 | dlowe | DaveLab: not being able to work with millions of SIM cards is pretty bad :p |
| 16:54.49 | donomo | kd8ikt: me too. that was fun... dropbear upgrade... NO CARRIER |
| 16:55.00 | Hydrant | DaveLab: nohup opkg upgrade & might be better |
| 16:55.05 | rockstar | Where's the lock file for opkg? |
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| 16:55.29 | DaveLab | dlowe :D |
| 16:55.38 | DaveLab | dlowe, hey, it works with THREE of mine, I can't complain. |
| 16:56.01 | kd8ikt | hey this is great i'm playing an mp3 on the sd card and gps is showing like 10 sats |
| 16:56.02 | DaveLab | and I have a bucket full of them which similarly will work with them, so I can't, but yeah from the things I've heard and read, that is unacceptable. |
| 16:56.08 | DaveLab | Though that has been fixed for the next model of the phone :) |
| 16:56.14 | DaveLab | pokes Joerg |
| 16:56.20 | kd8ikt | "for those about to rock" |
| 16:56.20 | Sp33d3v1l3r | kd8ikt: once it's locked, it works OK in areas with signal. |
| 16:56.26 | Sp33d3v1l3r | kdubois: good signal |
| 16:56.31 | dlowe | sighs. |
| 16:56.35 | kd8ikt | well i'm in the basement its having a hard time locking |
| 16:56.51 | Sp33d3v1l3r | kdubois: you're also stationary. |
| 16:56.54 | DaveLab | hmm, let me see if I can force this to the rail |
| 16:58.31 | wcollins | isthere a known problem with the freerunner and some SIM cards? |
| 16:58.43 | DaveLab | Oh, and fucking *thank you* to whoever FINALLY got around to correcting the scripts on the USB_Networking page. |
| 16:58.48 | rockstar | wcollins, yes, it's called "Get a new SIM" |
| 16:58.52 | DaveLab | I'll send you some choclate cookies later. |
| 16:59.02 | doc|work | wcollins: generally it's just that they're not seated correctly but sometimes you need a newer one |
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| 16:59.22 | rockstar | Dave, wait wait wait. We get PAID?! In CHOCOLATE?!?! |
| 16:59.35 | Tsing1 | heh, feel the power of VISTA!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPv8PPl7ANU |
| 16:59.38 | wcollins | i have 2, one only accepts inbound calls, phone won't boot with the other one installed |
| 16:59.51 | Tsing1 | caution, don't throw up on your keyboard. |
| 17:00.30 | Chocky | it just happens that I have chocolate cookies on my desk. |
| 17:01.44 | Chocky | looks at rework PDF |
| 17:01.57 | Chocky | hell. that's almost too easy |
| 17:02.19 | DaveLab | :D |
| 17:02.22 | Chocky | only problem is finding a 10pF surface mount capacitor |
| 17:02.33 | DaveLab | Xaos what was that url you mentioned earlier? |
| 17:02.35 | Sp33d3v1l3r | digikey |
| 17:02.48 | Chocky | are those bipolar? |
| 17:02.48 | Sp33d3v1l3r | 10pf capacitor? |
| 17:02.51 | DaveLab | rockstar, well, YOU, in particular might, if you help me out :p |
| 17:02.53 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Chocky: no |
| 17:03.06 | DaveLab | But whoever corrected that awful page on the wiki just earned themselves some ;) |
| 17:03.09 | Chocky | well, I'm glad the instructions say which way round. _not_ |
| 17:03.12 | Sp33d3v1l3r | 10pF cap is about 5cm of cat-5 |
| 17:03.32 | Tsing1 | Chocky: I had a box of Girl Guide cookies for breakfast. I love 'em. |
| 17:03.41 | doc|work | mmmm |
| 17:03.53 | Chocky | so which way around does it go? |
| 17:04.27 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Chocky: is this a fix for the GPS? |
| 17:04.34 | Chocky | http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf |
| 17:04.36 | Chocky | yessir |
| 17:04.43 | Xaos | DaveLab: what script are you looking for? |
| 17:05.01 | Xaos | er...URL |
| 17:05.04 | DaveLab | :P |
| 17:05.05 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Damn that's easy. |
| 17:05.06 | DaveLab | silly xaos |
| 17:05.14 | DaveLab | the slithery one pasted earlier :D |
| 17:05.22 | Sp33d3v1l3r | I think I've even got some 10pF caps of suitable size. |
| 17:05.29 | Xaos | ahhh... |
| 17:05.40 | Xaos | Here's mine: http://www.ibiblio.org/swaroopch/byteofpython/files/120/byteofpython_120.pdf |
| 17:05.40 | wcollins | doc|work...thanks for the details on the SIM...that was the problem! |
| 17:05.59 | DaveLab | Speedevil, I know I do! |
| 17:06.00 | Xaos | and here's the other one mentioned: http://www.diveintopython.org/ |
| 17:06.04 | DaveLab | oh, yeah thanks |
| 17:06.08 | Xaos | brb...gotta go nuke my lunch |
| 17:06.12 | DaveLab | yeah I remember, rockstar mentioned that |
| 17:06.14 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Anyone needs rework in the UK, I can do that. |
| 17:06.43 | DaveLab | Aww, is that where you lurk, Speedy? |
| 17:06.49 | doc|work | wcollins: :) |
| 17:06.57 | MrShlee | will this fix by applied to new units? |
| 17:07.14 | Chocky | looks on ebay for single 10pf capacitor, probably worth $0.001 |
| 17:07.35 | Ainulindale | Chocky: then for a soldering tool... |
| 17:07.40 | DaveLab | :p |
| 17:07.42 | Ainulindale | Then for firm hands |
| 17:07.47 | Ainulindale | You can't buy those on ebay |
| 17:07.49 | Chocky | has items 2 and 3 |
| 17:07.57 | DaveLab | Go Team! |
| 17:07.57 | Chocky | and good eyes. not so much |
| 17:08.06 | Chocky | http://cgi.ebay.com/NOS-CAPACITORS-SURFACE-MOUNT-REEL-HITANO-10PF-0603-50V_W0QQitemZ110241547675QQihZ001QQcategoryZ4662QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247 |
| 17:08.11 | Chocky | 4000! |
| 17:08.15 | Chocky | I can do everyone's! |
| 17:08.20 | DaveLab | hahaha |
| 17:08.31 | DaveLab | What if they were to pay you? |
| 17:08.36 | DaveLab | IN PIZZA |
| 17:08.40 | Chocky | woo hoo! |
| 17:08.43 | dtx | So I turned up mic 1 and mic 2 and its still reaaaallly quiet |
| 17:08.53 | DaveLab | (and beer) |
| 17:08.54 | DaveLab | well, I would, anyway :) |
| 17:09.00 | Chocky | woo hoo! x 4 |
| 17:09.03 | donomo | Chocky: wow that looks like delicate work |
| 17:09.15 | Ainulindale | dtx: for you or your correspondent ? |
| 17:09.19 | Sp33d3v1l3r | donomo: it is - very |
| 17:09.23 | Chocky | it is, and TBH, it's not something I'm brilliant at, but I could do my own |
| 17:09.34 | Sp33d3v1l3r | donomo: those gold wires are spaced by .75mm or so |
| 17:09.38 | dtx | my correspondent |
| 17:09.46 | Sp33d3v1l3r | donomo: and the component is about 0.5mm*0.3mm or so |
| 17:09.49 | dtx | Do I need to turn anything else up? |
| 17:10.06 | Chocky | so, does someone have an answer about polarization? |
| 17:10.16 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Chocky: no 10pF cap is polarised. |
| 17:10.17 | donomo | robo-hands and a magnifying glass would help |
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| 17:10.31 | Chocky | Sp33d3v1l3r: yes, but which way does it go? ;-) |
| 17:10.37 | Chocky | oh, it's not |
| 17:10.39 | Chocky | IC |
| 17:10.46 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Chocky: no, it's a capacitor. |
| 17:10.47 | Chocky | thought you said it was |
| 17:11.00 | Chocky | is used to bigger caps, which are. |
| 17:11.06 | dtx | Ainulindale: do i need to turn anything else up? |
| 17:11.19 | Ainulindale | I don't know |
| 17:11.26 | Chocky | whews. |
| 17:11.28 | dtx | Is it working for you? |
| 17:11.37 | Ainulindale | not so much |
| 17:11.45 | Chocky | so remaining problem is buying just a few, not 4000 |
| 17:11.49 | dtx | Can anybody actually call someone and they can hear you? |
| 17:11.59 | Chocky | unless I have something to canibalise. like an m100 palm, which is dead |
| 17:11.59 | mjr | yes |
| 17:12.33 | dtx | mjr: they can hear you talking on the FreeRunner? Did you have to change mixer settings? |
| 17:12.34 | Hydrant | dtx: I've made calls with my phone |
| 17:12.37 | mmontour | dtx: make sure that your phone is actually loading the gsmhandset.state file when you make a call. You can ensure this by manually running "alsactl restore -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state" after you have dialed and answered the call. Then tune the settings with alsamixer |
| 17:12.47 | roh | Chocky 0603 is a bit too big |
| 17:12.49 | mjr | dtx, I did not |
| 17:13.11 | Chocky | ok, what size am I looking for? |
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| 17:13.20 | Sp33d3v1l3r | roh: that's an 0402? |
| 17:13.24 | Chocky | .75mm? |
| 17:13.28 | Sp33d3v1l3r | roh: or 0201? |
| 17:13.29 | roh | SpeedEvil i think so |
| 17:13.34 | roh | 0402 afaik |
| 17:13.35 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Looks a bit large |
| 17:13.39 | Sp33d3v1l3r | yeah |
| 17:13.39 | roh | i dunno what i used |
| 17:13.41 | roh | http://yamato.hyte.de/pic/mokofoo/gpsfoo.html |
| 17:14.01 | roh | thats my hack.. i just pulled what i had from a defective gta01v5 board |
| 17:14.13 | dtx | So some people have to change mixer settings but not others |
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| 17:14.17 | Sp33d3v1l3r | roh: Investgate if the SD cock pin has a 'low drive' option? |
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| 17:14.30 | DaveLab | rut roh |
| 17:14.32 | Gnutoo | DaveLab, is there a place where the others problem than the gps/sd problem such as the interference and voltages problems of the gps are documented? |
| 17:15.20 | Sp33d3v1l3r | gnu{-: it's not a voltage problem |
| 17:15.22 | roh | Sp33d3v1l3r i think andy would have done that... after all its in the glamo |
| 17:15.28 | DaveLab | yes, but minimally, because not many experience them |
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| 17:15.32 | DaveLab | speedevil, it's not? |
| 17:15.56 | Sp33d3v1l3r | roh: I was wondering about a nice true software fix. Guess not. |
| 17:16.17 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Dave: no - it's a disturbance emitted from the clock line of teh SD which gets into the GPS somehow. |
| 17:16.22 | roh | SpeedEvil well.. write andy a mail if you have some idea.. he isnt chatting much |
| 17:16.26 | Sp33d3v1l3r | gnytoo: I mean |
| 17:16.28 | Chocky | a disturbance in the force |
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| 17:17.05 | kd8ikt | ew my screen is all greasey |
| 17:17.06 | DaveLab | speedevil, I thought that the gps sensor was also slightly undervolted and there was a patch pushed attempting to compensate, and bump it up? |
| 17:17.08 | Xaos | Speed: where would we need to put the tinfoil to block that stray RF from the SD? |
| 17:17.24 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Xaos: tinfoil won't usually work |
| 17:17.30 | kd8ikt | lol |
| 17:17.44 | kd8ikt | cause more problems |
| 17:17.45 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Xaos: you could maybe use tinfoil and very fine plastic tape to form a 10pF cap on top of a microSD though. |
| 17:17.47 | kd8ikt | shorts |
| 17:17.50 | doc|work | kd8ikt: try washing your hands every once in a while :) |
| 17:17.52 | Gnutoo | Sp33d3v1l3r, ok so there is only one problem: SD/GPS...and a possible(as not evrybody has the problem) problem with the antenna |
| 17:17.57 | DaveLab | All I know from reading the hardware mailing list is that there were a bunch of mysterious problems surrounding the gps hardware, not all of which could be exactly tracked down due to it's shadiness. |
| 17:17.59 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 17:18.02 | kd8ikt | NEVER |
| 17:18.04 | Chocky | its |
| 17:18.05 | roh | DaveLab yes.. but it doesnt matter if one drives the gps antenna with 2.7 or 3V |
| 17:18.05 | Chocky | :p |
| 17:18.06 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Gnutoo: that sounds like it perhaps. |
| 17:18.08 | Xaos | I was thinking tinfoil covered in tape to electrically isolate the tinfoil (don't want shorts) |
| 17:18.17 | Chocky | want trousers |
| 17:18.21 | kd8ikt | goes to stink palm doc|work |
| 17:18.25 | DaveLab | roh, but when I have an external antenna connected? |
| 17:18.27 | roh | seems the gain of the amp doesnt change when driving it up (or if it does ive seen no indication about that) |
| 17:18.34 | doc|work | ugh |
| 17:18.36 | Xaos | Speed: so by "top of the SD" what do you mean? |
| 17:18.38 | doc|work | showers |
| 17:18.41 | roh | DaveLab same circuit |
| 17:19.08 | Sp33d3v1l3r | roh: do you have a figure for relative db loss with clock off vs with clock running and capped? |
| 17:19.10 | DaveLab | here's my problem, what am I to do with a freerunner that has no microsd, has an external (working) antenna connected but it can never get any gps fix? |
| 17:19.22 | roh | Dave the ldo can output 3-3.2V max.. is usually set for 3.. but via connectors and some parts to measure current and coils you have 0.3V drop maximum |
| 17:19.23 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Return it. |
| 17:19.24 | DaveLab | bad hardware? |
| 17:19.29 | Xaos | Speed: do you mean put a layer of tinfoil (insulated) between the SD and the SIM? |
| 17:19.30 | DaveLab | I suspect so. |
| 17:19.35 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Xaos: no. |
| 17:19.45 | DaveLab | I also have another which works only with the external antenna connected |
| 17:19.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4535 10/developers/john_lee/pyfso/TODO: add TODO file |
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| 17:19.57 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4536 10/developers/john_lee/pyfso/ (dialer.py fso_backend.py): |
| 17:19.57 | CIA-46 | openmoko: modify fso_backend to set mainloop when initialize. use GMainLoop as |
| 17:19.57 | CIA-46 | openmoko: default in testing. |
| 17:19.58 | CIA-46 | openmoko: * also modify dialer to reflect the changes. |
| 17:20.00 | DaveLab | so for that one I presume that perhaps the internal antenna is lose or something. |
| 17:20.03 | roh | SpeedEvil i've seen some bg-noise floor drop about 10db on a photo of some spectrum analyzer.. but that was with and without cap. |
| 17:20.09 | dtx | ok so I made a call, then I restored my modified gsmhandset.state (with mic1 and mic2 maxed out) during the call |
| 17:20.10 | Chocky | ah hah |
| 17:20.12 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4537 10/developers/john_lee/pyfso/ (5 files): |
| 17:20.12 | CIA-46 | openmoko: * fso backend cope with new odeviced accelerometer change |
| 17:20.12 | CIA-46 | openmoko: * accelerometer now cope with fso backend |
| 17:20.12 | CIA-46 | openmoko: * put the responsibility of FSOObject initialization into user |
| 17:20.13 | CIA-46 | openmoko: * update singleton implementation. we don't use it anywhere for now. |
| 17:20.13 | Chocky | http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=23M9752&CMP=AFC-GB100000001 |
| 17:20.14 | dtx | still can barely hear me |
| 17:20.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: * update tests. |
| 17:20.17 | Xaos | you mean a sleeve for the upper half (away from the contacts) of the SD card itself? |
| 17:20.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4538 10/developers/john_lee/pyfso/TODO: update TODO |
| 17:20.20 | Chocky | $0.81 |
| 17:20.22 | roh | SpeedEvil we requested the same for the sw-patch |
| 17:20.30 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4539 10/developers/john_lee/pyfso/ (5 files): |
| 17:20.30 | CIA-46 | openmoko: modified to receive accelerometer signal from fso |
| 17:20.30 | CIA-46 | openmoko: * many other minor changes. |
| 17:20.35 | Gnutoo | and for the GSM i was told that it was software but what kind of software...userspace or firmware (http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1376 and http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1415) and if it's firmware would we be able to update the firmware ourselves(i'm in europe...) |
| 17:20.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4540 10/developers/john_lee/pyfso/accelerometer.py: make accelerometer.py pull based again. |
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| 17:20.58 | roh | things would be so easy if everybody who hacks on our hw would have a full lab with multi-ghz spectrum analyzer and dso |
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| 17:21.02 | thomasgruebler | hello |
| 17:21.12 | Xaos | roh: LOL |
| 17:21.15 | thomasgruebler | since 2 weeks i'm trying the qemu version |
| 17:21.15 | doc|work | roh: you mean you don't? noob |
| 17:21.22 | Chocky | happens to have a scope. |
| 17:21.25 | DaveLab | roh, indeed :) |
| 17:21.29 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Xaos: take some copper foil (aluminium won't work) wrap a .2mm strip or so of it onto the connector of the microSD to the back of it, where it widens out to cover the back. Then a layer of thin tape, then another layer of copper tape to form a capacitor. |
| 17:21.35 | doc|work | doesn't even have a soldering iron |
| 17:21.38 | thomasgruebler | when i boot up in qemu, i cannot click on any button |
| 17:21.40 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Xaos: this is theoretically possible, but won't really work well. |
| 17:21.42 | dtx | things would be easier if I could get a definitive answer out of anybody having to do with the project |
| 17:21.47 | roh | i am planning to buy a nice small 4 channel 200mhz tek or so some time this year... we'll see |
| 17:21.48 | rockstar | roh, I has an oscilloscope. That's about as close as I get... |
| 17:21.50 | DaveLab | aww, heehee |
| 17:21.52 | thomasgruebler | ok i can click and it turns orange but nothing happens |
| 17:22.00 | thomasgruebler | maybe you can help me? |
| 17:22.06 | thomasgruebler | i tried the moko makefile |
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| 17:22.22 | Xaos | Speed: OK...I see it now...thanks! you're right...probably won't work |
| 17:22.38 | Gnutoo | thomasgruebler, ah mabe you have the ASU image...if i remember well i had the same issue...but i tried others images too that work... |
| 17:22.40 | Chocky | anyway, Newark have the part in singles |
| 17:22.43 | DaveLab | roh, at some point if you need specific hardware tests, I could probably get some done. |
| 17:22.57 | thomasgruebler | what image can i use? what make command? |
| 17:22.58 | Gnutoo | thomasgruebler, as ASU i mean the one with QT |
| 17:23.03 | DaveLab | I'm sure here we have pretty much anything you could want. |
| 17:23.03 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Xaos: it could work - it's damn fiddly and probably more difficult than is worthwhile. |
| 17:23.04 | thomasgruebler | i tried myke qemu |
| 17:23.22 | doc|work | how do you even solder something that small? :/ |
| 17:23.25 | Xaos | yeah...that's what I got |
| 17:23.25 | thomasgruebler | yes there is a qt icon on the desktop |
| 17:23.32 | rockstar | I keep getting signature checks failing on opkg... |
| 17:23.39 | Gnutoo | thomasgruebler, ah i don't know then...i'm just a user that tried it manually |
| 17:23.50 | thomasgruebler | how can i do it manually? |
| 17:23.52 | Xaos | hey...on a different note: how do I add an app (say a python script) to the GTK menu? |
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| 17:24.44 | Gnutoo | thomasgruebler, i followed the qemu howto on the wiki and used openembedded to build my images but i had a bug: the power button(enter) didn't work so i wasn't able to have the usb networking |
| 17:24.50 | DaveLab | meticulously |
| 17:24.52 | dtx | So is there an official means of obtaining support for this $400 contraption I just bought? I expected basic phone. I got a phone where the microphone is too muffled for anyone to hear. |
| 17:24.59 | rockstar | No Packages.sig? |
| 17:25.05 | DaveLab | Xaos, create a .desktop entry for it |
| 17:25.09 | Hydrant | dtx: did you try qtopia? It works just fine for me |
| 17:25.17 | Xaos | DaveLab: create it where? |
| 17:25.19 | DaveLab | /usr/share/applications |
| 17:25.21 | thomasgruebler | ok thanks. can you give mi the link pls |
| 17:25.22 | Xaos | thanky |
| 17:25.29 | DaveLab | :) |
| 17:25.30 | dtx | Hydrant: did you have problems with the volume on the other end? |
| 17:25.38 | smooth_penguin | Sp33d3v1l3r ! |
| 17:25.39 | DaveLab | you could also optionally add a custom icon for it :p |
| 17:25.45 | Hydrant | dtx: honestly never made a call with the default distro |
| 17:25.46 | DaveLab | Hello Mr. Penguin :) |
| 17:25.50 | Gnutoo | dtx, could you tell us what image you use? do you use the FSO |
| 17:25.54 | smooth_penguin | hi |
| 17:26.17 | dtx | Gnutoo: I use whatever came with it, and I opkg update upgraded it |
| 17:26.31 | thomasgruebler | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu |
| 17:26.34 | smooth_penguin | well since the Neo Freerunner is an open phone, is there a possibility to use it as a scanner? |
| 17:26.57 | dtx | that part is not open |
| 17:27.12 | Gnutoo | dtx, sorry i don't have a freerunner yet so i don't know which software came with it |
| 17:27.34 | smooth_penguin | dtx, the gsm module? |
| 17:27.39 | Gnutoo | smooth_penguin, what do you mean by scanner? to scan images with xsane or to scan wifi? |
| 17:27.45 | thomasgruebler | i have to go bye |
| 17:27.52 | Xaos | scan brainwaves |
| 17:27.53 | thomasgruebler | thx |
| 17:27.54 | Chocky | hold paper up to FR screen to scan it |
| 17:27.54 | Hydrant | dtx: seriously try qtopia |
| 17:27.55 | Gnutoo | thomasgruebler, ok bye |
| 17:27.58 | Xaos | police scanner |
| 17:28.03 | smooth_penguin | Gnutoo, haha no, something like a frequency scanner |
| 17:28.06 | Xaos | Chocky: LOL |
| 17:28.15 | Chocky | no RF receiver in FR. unless you connect one with USB |
| 17:28.19 | dtx | smooth_penguin: yeah the gsm module runs on its own little chipset I believe |
| 17:28.23 | Chocky | stabs uses of "lol" |
| 17:28.52 | Chocky | general purpose RF that is. GSM and GPS are specialized RF of course. |
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| 17:28.59 | Gnutoo | smooth_penguin, not with additional hardware...because you would only be able to scan wifi or gsm band otherwise... |
| 17:28.59 | Xaos | Chocky kills lol...now it looks like this: \o/ |
| 17:29.02 | Chocky | as is WiFi :o |
| 17:29.07 | mjr | ...bluetooth |
| 17:29.10 | Chocky | \o\ /o/ |
| 17:29.14 | smooth_penguin | Gnutoo, gsm |
| 17:29.18 | Chocky | mjr: er, touche. |
| 17:29.19 | Gnutoo | smooth_penguin, the linux kernel has ham radio support....mabe look at it |
| 17:29.50 | DaveLab | sweet |
| 17:29.56 | smooth_penguin | dtx, how hard would it be to communicate with another freerunner over GSM directly, eliminate the provider? |
| 17:30.09 | Chocky | more likely you want the V4l Linux stuff. that has extensive radio support |
| 17:30.15 | smooth_penguin | I know the range would be much less |
| 17:30.16 | DaveLab | gprs? |
| 17:30.32 | Chocky | smooth_penguin: probably not practical. better to use WiFi - short range of course. |
| 17:30.37 | DaveLab | right |
| 17:30.42 | Chocky | or WiFi via internet :p |
| 17:30.47 | DaveLab | unless for some strange reason it's not an option |
| 17:30.56 | Chocky | could make them into Walky Talkies! |
| 17:31.00 | Gnutoo | smooth_penguin, don't know i'm just a user but mabe you should look at the code of the gsm driver....if there is nothing usable inside mabe you would have to make your own firmware.... |
| 17:31.08 | smooth_penguin | Chocky, thats what I was thinking |
| 17:31.15 | smooth_penguin | 900 MHZ is nice |
| 17:31.52 | Chocky | more practical to use some VoIP option and ensure you stay near wifi |
| 17:32.03 | smooth_penguin | yeah thats not hard |
| 17:32.11 | Chocky | not skype :p |
| 17:32.23 | smooth_penguin | I know, with asterisk etc |
| 17:32.31 | Hydrant | Chocky: did I hear voip ? |
| 17:32.36 | Chocky | nope. |
| 17:32.43 | Chocky | your 'magination |
| 17:32.48 | DaveLab | :P |
| 17:32.54 | smooth_penguin | Chocky, but 900mhz would give me some range |
| 17:33.07 | Hydrant | Chocky: I'm playing with voip over cellular networks on the FR |
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| 17:33.15 | Chocky | knows not about GSM haxx0ring. |
| 17:33.28 | Xaos | Hydrant: you talking about using GPRS to carry the voip? |
| 17:33.36 | Chocky | Hydrant: the point is to not pay the provider. |
| 17:33.41 | Hydrant | Xaos: right... gonna experiment |
| 17:33.48 | smooth_penguin | or probably even turn my phone into a dummy cellphone tower, fool other phones |
| 17:33.55 | smooth_penguin | maybe Im asking too much :p |
| 17:33.55 | Hydrant | Chocky: this lets you pay 1/6 the cost if it works |
| 17:33.57 | mjr | smooth_penguin, first, you can't, and if you could, you'd screw up the GSM system |
| 17:34.11 | IguanaNed796 | anyone else have this prob with FR, incoming calls work outgoing do not work? |
| 17:34.14 | Gnutoo | smooth_penguin, ah yes you want to use it like a walkie talkie....as far as i know the firmware of the wifi is not capable of master mode |
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| 17:34.26 | smooth_penguin | Gnutoo, no no not the wifi |
| 17:34.30 | smooth_penguin | use the GSM |
| 17:34.30 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rb7e114ae5fac 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (gpschannel.py om.py ubx.py): ogpsd: GTA02Device uses UBX, configure after poweron |
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| 17:34.32 | Chocky | Hydrant: I'm dubious of your calculation. |
| 17:34.34 | Gnutoo | smooth_penguin, ah ok |
| 17:34.42 | mjr | Gnutoo, as for wifi, ad hoc should work fine for walkie talkie use |
| 17:34.45 | smooth_penguin | mjr, hrm ok |
| 17:34.47 | Hydrant | Chocky: in canada |
| 17:34.48 | Gnutoo | smooth_penguin, because others phones don't have wifi |
| 17:34.53 | smooth_penguin | Gnutoo, yeah |
| 17:34.54 | Hydrant | Chocky: with prepaid |
| 17:34.54 | Chocky | hm, yes. |
| 17:34.59 | smooth_penguin | all phones have GSM |
| 17:35.05 | Chocky | what is the Canuck prepaid pricing? |
| 17:35.26 | Gnutoo | smooth_penguin, but if you don't operate as a provider you would need to modify the others phones too |
| 17:35.34 | mjr | smooth_penguin, and every phone with gsm would have to be hacked to very little pieces to get them to ignore the tower |
| 17:35.40 | doc|work | Chocky: your leg, arm, and first born child |
| 17:35.57 | mjr | smooth_penguin, also, it would be illegal in (most?) parts of the world |
| 17:36.00 | Chocky | doc|home: yessir. so how does the 1/6th come into it? |
| 17:36.24 | smooth_penguin | mjr, yeah I agree to all that, I was just wondering about the possibility of eliminating the provider |
| 17:36.26 | Hydrant | Chocky: I'm paying like $0.30 / minute of phone time |
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| 17:36.37 | smooth_penguin | oh and yes confusing the other phones a bit :p |
| 17:36.50 | doc|work | Chocky: no clue |
| 17:36.54 | Chocky | and how does that turn into $0.05/minute? |
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| 17:37.01 | doc|work | Hydrant: but you pay much more for data |
| 17:37.05 | smooth_penguin | But I guess one would have to be a GSM god for all that |
| 17:37.15 | Hydrant | Chocky: I can get a pure data plan for 300MB for $30/ month... if you calculuate the data requirements of voip vs. the cost of talk time it's cheaper |
| 17:37.18 | mjr | smooth_penguin, with gsm, practically none. And confusing the other phones would be what we call interfering with telecommunications, possibly emergency calls |
| 17:37.23 | Chocky | hm. |
| 17:37.33 | Sp33d3v1l3r | GPRS has a delay of 2 seconds up to. |
| 17:37.33 | doc|work | Hydrant: that's a temporary offer |
| 17:37.43 | Hydrant | doc|work: no... I checked the actual plans. |
| 17:37.46 | Hydrant | doc| |
| 17:37.51 | doc|work | Hydrant: really? |
| 17:37.53 | Hydrant | doc|work: not the 6GB one |
| 17:38.00 | Hydrant | doc|work: I just need $300MB |
| 17:38.01 | doc|work | Hydrant: three year contract? |
| 17:38.03 | Sp33d3v1l3r | So it's not really suitable for VOIP.; Though it'll work for PTT |
| 17:38.05 | Hydrant | arrgh... you know what I mean |
| 17:38.10 | Hydrant | doc|work: no, month to month |
| 17:38.14 | doc|work | oh |
| 17:38.15 | doc|work | not bad |
| 17:38.28 | Hydrant | Sp33d3v1l3r: there's really a 2s delay for GPRS ? |
| 17:38.28 | doc|work | relatively speaking |
| 17:38.36 | mjr | Hydrant, up to, he said |
| 17:38.38 | Hydrant | doc|work: right... just a way of cheating the system |
| 17:38.39 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Hydrant: yes - typically up to that. |
| 17:38.44 | smooth_penguin | Hydrant, huge delay |
| 17:38.45 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Hydrant: 600ms tpyical IME |
| 17:38.49 | Hydrant | Sp33d3v1l3r: before connection, or for each packet |
| 17:38.55 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Per packet. |
| 17:38.57 | doc|work | Hydrant: I still don't spend $30 on phone calls every month :/ |
| 17:39.07 | Hydrant | Sp33d3v1l3r: is 3G better for that latency ? |
| 17:39.08 | smooth_penguin | all wireless communications suffer from lag |
| 17:39.10 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Hydrant: I saw a typical 400-800ms delay over most connections. |
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| 17:39.14 | Sp33d3v1l3r | smooth_penguin: nope. |
| 17:39.17 | DaveLab | ack |
| 17:39.18 | doc|work | Hydrant: you also need to pay wifi out fees |
| 17:39.20 | mjr | Hydrant, it is. |
| 17:39.23 | Sp33d3v1l3r | smooth_penguin: that lag has nothing to do with wireless lag. |
| 17:39.34 | Sp33d3v1l3r | smooth_penguin: that's maybe a couple of milliseconds of that. |
| 17:39.35 | smooth_penguin | Sp33d3v1l3r, I know satellite comm does? |
| 17:39.35 | doc|work | Hydrant: er, voip out fees |
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| 17:39.47 | DaveLab | speedevil, unless it's ptp, right? |
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| 17:39.52 | Hydrant | doc|work: with voicenetwork.ca it' sjust 1c / minute to anywhere in canada |
| 17:39.54 | DaveLab | if we're still talking about wireless communications times |
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| 17:39.59 | Hydrant | so I can order pizza or call vancouver for the same price |
| 17:40.05 | Sp33d3v1l3r | smooth_penguin: That's not related - the comms goes directly from your GSM phone to the tower, then onto the internet. |
| 17:40.21 | Hydrant | would this idea work for 3G or no ? |
| 17:40.22 | Sp33d3v1l3r | smooth_penguin: it never goes to a satellite |
| 17:40.22 | DaveLab | hydrant, for a second I suspected you were speaking french :D |
| 17:40.22 | doc|work | Hydrant: not bad |
| 17:40.22 | Hydrant | It might still be worth developing |
| 17:40.23 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Hydrant: some 3G are similarly slow |
| 17:40.30 | Hydrant | doc|work: I use voip at home for my actual phone |
| 17:40.40 | Xaos | ok...next menu question...how do I get the application icon to show up in "Utilities" instead of "Applications"? |
| 17:41.02 | mjr | yeah true, "3g" is a fuzzy concept. UMTS has much better lag times though than gprs. |
| 17:41.02 | doc|work | Hydrant: I definitely like the idea, but it doesn't pay for me in canada just yet. Ekiga has much of that functionality, port? |
| 17:41.11 | smooth_penguin | Sp33d3v1l3r, oh I was talking about the folks who use Sat based internets |
| 17:41.16 | DaveLab | and doc isn't Québeçois... -thankfully- |
| 17:41.22 | doc|work | wipes brow |
| 17:41.24 | Sp33d3v1l3r | smooth_penguin: ah - sorry |
| 17:41.26 | smooth_penguin | they face huge latencies |
| 17:41.29 | doc|work | doc isn't even canadian :) |
| 17:41.30 | DaveLab | ¬_¬ |
| 17:41.38 | DaveLab | a likely story... |
| 17:41.49 | Gnutoo | smooth_penguin, mabe you should look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM#Network_structure |
| 17:41.58 | mmontour | Chocky: Canadian prepaid pricing - http://www.fido.ca/web/content/prepaid/prepaid_airtime_rates |
| 17:42.02 | Hydrant | so is the voip cellular internet worth working on, or is it completely too unrealistic with modern networks ? |
| 17:42.05 | smooth_penguin | Gnutoo, thanks :) |
| 17:42.08 | smooth_penguin | Ill read it |
| 17:42.08 | Xaos | Hey...you canadians know how to spell Canada? It's only three letters: |
| 17:42.26 | mmontour | C, eh, N, eh, D, eh |
| 17:42.32 | Xaos | BINGO! |
| 17:42.33 | smooth_penguin | Hydrant, its extremely customizable |
| 17:42.44 | mmontour | old joke. |
| 17:42.45 | smooth_penguin | I mean asterisk is insane |
| 17:42.46 | DaveLab | there's a moose loose in the hoose! |
| 17:42.49 | dtx | So who in hear can call someone and the other party could hear them out of the box without tweaking? |
| 17:42.51 | Xaos | yep...but still a good one |
| 17:42.54 | dtx | who in here |
| 17:42.57 | DaveLab | :p |
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| 17:43.06 | mjr | Hydrant, voip over umts can be okay. There's more pressing issues for openmoko though, seeing as 04 at earliest will have it. Though on the other hand, voip over wifi is basically the same, code-wise, and is relevant now. |
| 17:43.08 | Hydrant | smooth_penguin: yah, I can do it.. question is will it work |
| 17:43.24 | Hydrant | mjr: I would code it |
| 17:43.32 | Hydrant | mjr: just checking if it's worth it |
| 17:43.41 | DaveLab | Didn't apple just offer some scam like that, after jumping in bed with AT&T? |
| 17:43.46 | DaveLab | <blackhole> |
| 17:43.48 | doc|work | Hydrant: why reinvent the wheel? why not just port ekiga? |
| 17:43.48 | kd8ikt | need dialer mod frontend to iaxclient |
| 17:43.56 | Hydrant | wtf is ekiga ? |
| 17:43.59 | MadTBone | dtx: uhh...I think everyone can... |
| 17:44.02 | DaveLab | :D |
| 17:44.03 | kd8ikt | no ekiga |
| 17:44.03 | doc|work | Hydrant: ekiga.org :) |
| 17:44.05 | mjr | would rather port twinklephone, if only because it supports zrtp for encryption |
| 17:44.12 | mjr | where ekiga doesn't |
| 17:44.18 | kd8ikt | ekiga is too big |
| 17:44.22 | dtx | MadTBone: You have a freerunner? |
| 17:44.23 | doc|work | haven't tried twinklephone, wasn't working last I tried |
| 17:44.31 | MadTBone | dtx: at least everyone with a compatible sim |
| 17:44.35 | doc|work | kd8ikt: that's why you port :) |
| 17:44.36 | MadTBone | dtx: yes |
| 17:44.36 | Xaos | yeah...voip for this phone NEEDS encryption capabilities |
| 17:44.36 | mmontour | dtx: you might want to ask some other Freerunner owner to try your modified gsmhandset.state file to see whether or not they can be heard on the other side. If it works for them but not for you then it might be a hardware issue |
| 17:44.55 | dtx | I'm thinking it is |
| 17:44.57 | Hydrant | Xaos: no such thing as encryption for voip |
| 17:44.59 | kd8ikt | now thats why you start from scratch and make a small frontend to iaxclient |
| 17:45.09 | dtx | how about this |
| 17:45.13 | *** join/#openmoko Kensan_ (n=ken@gw.ptr-80-238-207-93.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 17:45.16 | dtx | can someone send me their gsmhandset.state file? |
| 17:46.10 | dtx | a working one |
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| 17:46.24 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Hydrant: err - what? |
| 17:46.32 | kd8ikt | http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokoiax/ |
| 17:46.47 | Hydrant | Sp33d3v1l3r: to my knowledge there is no standard for encryption of voip |
| 17:46.53 | Sp33d3v1l3r | Ah. |
| 17:47.07 | Sp33d3v1l3r | That's fair enough. You can of course ssh tunnel it. |
| 17:47.16 | Xaos | Hydrant...yes...there is encryption for VOIP...it's just usually implemented as a proxy...no standardization though |
| 17:47.17 | dtx | anybody? |
| 17:47.19 | Hydrant | Sp33d3v1l3r: not really... the provider will still send it over |
| 17:47.32 | Hydrant | Xaos: no standard means no exist :-P |
| 17:47.37 | Xaos | LOL |
| 17:47.47 | MadTBone | dtx: working on it |
| 17:47.53 | Xaos | protected his LOL from the spear |
| 17:47.54 | dtx | MadTBone: k, thx |
| 17:47.57 | Gnutoo | smooth_penguin, if i remember well the TI calypso is controlled by AT commands...so you will need to create a free firmware...and i would like to run it if you succeed |
| 17:48.17 | mmontour | dtx: if you do find that it's hardware, post a message to https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support and/or add an entry to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues |
| 17:48.41 | DaveLab | friggin' glamo |
| 17:48.44 | dtx | k |
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| 17:48.55 | smooth_penguin | Gnutoo, heh yeah I plan to get the freerunner, but I really dont know much about GSM atm |
| 17:48.59 | mjr | SRTP is an RFC for encryption of RTP streams, which are widely used in VOIP; ZRTP which defines the key exchange and stuff like that is on the RFC track and implemented in the GNU ccRTP stack. Standard enough for me. |
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| 17:49.15 | Gnutoo | smooth_penguin, do you know about programming? |
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| 17:49.31 | Gnutoo | smooth_penguin, because for gsm you could learn... |
| 17:49.37 | smooth_penguin | yeah |
| 17:49.49 | smooth_penguin | I code in C |
| 17:49.53 | Sp33d3v1l3r | The GSM stack is horribly complex. |
| 17:49.58 | Tsing1 | bugger. I stayed home to get my package and ups changed it to Monday. |
| 17:50.06 | jOERG_rw | roh: hi! |
| 17:50.07 | Sp33d3v1l3r | :( |
| 17:50.11 | Tsing1 | yeah |
| 17:50.15 | smooth_penguin | Sp33d3v1l3r, any docs I could read? |
| 17:50.33 | dtx | hey is there just some kind of way to echo back what comes into the mic? |
| 17:50.42 | Tsing1 | I can't stay home Monday, oh well. I'll pick it up at their depot tuesday. |
| 17:50.51 | Xaos | dtx: quick! port audacity to the moko |
| 17:50.58 | DaveLab | Joerg! |
| 17:51.20 | dtx | OpenEmbedded has an audacity recipe I think |
| 17:51.22 | jOERG_rw | dtx: capture with pcm, arecord. then pipe to aplay |
| 17:51.27 | Sp33d3v1l3r | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware |
| 17:51.28 | Hydrant | dtx: have you tryed calling someone else? maybe that person needs to up the volume on their handset |
| 17:51.49 | Sp33d3v1l3r | smooth_penguin: has the docs of the calypso (NDAd, but leaked) linked from it. |
| 17:51.52 | Xaos | did I see somewhere that there's a package (maybe not complete) for FBReader on the Neo? |
| 17:51.57 | dtx | jOERG_rw: arecord and aplay won't work because its using Pulse audio right? |
| 17:52.05 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: heard you're giong to buy ~5000 10pF ??? ;-) |
| 17:52.09 | dtx | Hydrant: I called my voicemail, its definitely on the phone end |
| 17:52.19 | dtx | on the phone mic end |
| 17:52.27 | mmontour | dtx: you can shut down pulseaudio and then run the alsa programs |
| 17:52.38 | jOERG_rw | dtx: maybe. it worked on some testsystem based oon FSO for me |
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| 17:52.57 | Yasumoto | alright, so I'm thinking it's about time I write my first "hello world" on the freerunner, but I'm a little confused/concerned about what wiki page to follow to get things set up |
| 17:52.59 | dtx | let me try |
| 17:53.07 | Yasumoto | what're some pages people have used successfully? |
| 17:53.21 | kd8ikt | people cant hear me with all the static when using headset |
| 17:53.36 | DaveLab | Joerg, nooooooooooooo |
| 17:54.17 | dtx | I'm behind a NAT would that matter? |
| 17:54.28 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: ok so I'll bring 10.000 of them to Europe when I return next month from.tw Stash them in my pocket ;-) |
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| 17:55.13 | smooth_penguin | so how are your experiences with the freerunner wifi and the phone? |
| 17:55.16 | *** join/#openmoko sirex` (n=sirex@ctv-79-132-165-169.vinita.lt) |
| 17:55.17 | jOERG_rw | be carefull not to lose them. |
| 17:55.17 | smooth_penguin | does it warm up etc? |
| 17:55.22 | smooth_penguin | battery life? |
| 17:56.25 | dtx | where is the Mic hole? |
| 17:56.36 | DaveLab | joerg :D |
| 17:56.42 | DaveLab | okay! |
| 17:56.44 | mmontour | Near the "loop" |
| 17:56.46 | DaveLab | sounds good |
| 17:56.56 | dtx | inside the loop? |
| 17:57.20 | sirex` | I just checked out and now emulating openmoko on my laptop. I did that using MokoMakefile. Bet emulated version doesn't look like on FreeRunner. What I'm doing wrong? |
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| 17:58.15 | sirex` | Also emulated openmoko doesn't work, it doesn't respond to my mouse clicks. Buttons highlights, bet nothing heppens. |
| 17:58.16 | mmontour | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973 has pictures. Mic position should be the same on the Freerunner |
| 17:58.22 | Xaos | dang...I think I screwed up my gsmhandset.state file...anybody know a good place to get the default one? |
| 17:58.56 | Xaos | sirex: you need to get a new image on it...look at the bottom of that wiki page |
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| 17:59.08 | Xaos | There's an entry I put there because I had the same issue |
| 17:59.16 | MadTBone | Xaos: http://pastebin.com/m65d5e9fc |
| 17:59.19 | sirex` | Xaos: ok, thanks. |
| 17:59.35 | Xaos | Mad: Thanks! |
| 17:59.51 | retracile | So I'm stuck on the openmoko splash screen, and can't turn the phone off... do I just yank the battery? |
| 18:00.14 | MadTBone | retracile: yep |
| 18:00.40 | mmontour | disconnect usb power and yank the battery |
| 18:00.45 | Tsing1 | you retract it. |
| 18:00.48 | Xaos | either that or mail it to me and I'll fix it |
| 18:00.50 | Xaos | ;-) |
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| 18:01.15 | retracile | Xaos: It'll just take you a year or two, right? ;) |
| 18:01.32 | Xaos | about that...yeah...how did YOU know? |
| 18:01.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra3fce657a797 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade splinter for bugfixes and animation changes as of Jeremy's request |
| 18:01.55 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc1cee1022104 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assasin to benefit from various bug fixes |
| 18:03.30 | mmontour | kd8ikt: maybe add a comment to http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1352 about your headset problem |
| 18:03.52 | rockstar | GPS is busticated... :( |
| 18:04.07 | alphaone | rockstar: ? |
| 18:04.23 | Xaos | rockstar: You used GPS to find Busts?"? |
| 18:04.23 | Xaos | cool! |
| 18:04.42 | Xaos | better than being masticated |
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| 18:05.10 | IguanaNed | anyone else have problem with sim card seating on FR? |
| 18:06.13 | doc|work | IguanaNed: yep, the holder's a bit crap, you have to slot it into the metal thing and then push that down |
| 18:06.15 | Xaos | Iguana: not since I actually looked at the pictures and realized I had it in the wrong way ;-) |
| 18:06.22 | doc|work | I don't know if it even clips |
| 18:06.36 | Xaos | it doesn't clip...it slides to lock |
| 18:07.13 | Xaos | put SIM in with "notch" up...then fold down...then slide metal clip towards the GPS antenna/SD card |
| 18:07.13 | doc|work | didn't lock for me, but I didn't persist and haven't played with it seince |
| 18:07.15 | *** part/#openmoko bkrus1 (n=bkruse@76.73.154.120) |
| 18:07.16 | doc|work | *since' |
| 18:07.19 | IguanaNed | if it is picking up a network it must be in the right way correct? |
| 18:07.24 | Xaos | yep |
| 18:07.33 | Xaos | or you are REALLY lucky |
| 18:07.35 | Xaos | ;-) |
| 18:07.46 | CM | Hmm.. How do you turn off the FSO or Moko Underground images |
| 18:07.49 | IguanaNed | ah wellI get incoming calls bt no outgoing, someone suggested reseating sim |
| 18:08.00 | CM | No menu item for it, and the buttons don't seem to work |
| 18:08.13 | wcollins | i have 2 sims...reseating solved that problem for one, but not the other |
| 18:08.23 | CM | (And no, I still haven't fixed ssh host via usb on my pc) |
| 18:08.25 | mmontour | AIUI you should be able to pick up a network without a SIM (to make emergency calls) |
| 18:08.26 | IguanaNed | ah ther ya are |
| 18:08.27 | IguanaNed | he |
| 18:09.03 | wcollins | i just tried a third sim...exactly the same problem if i just drop sim in and lock it down, no outgoing calls |
| 18:09.07 | IguanaNed | rogers = 800 band right? |
| 18:09.24 | IguanaNed | ah which way are u pushing it ? |
| 18:09.24 | wcollins | if i push it slightly to the center as i lock it down all is fine. |
| 18:09.35 | wcollins | all of them are Rogers(Toronto) |
| 18:10.33 | wcollins | on the metal tab are labels "open" near the edge and "lock" near center. I push towards lock. |
| 18:10.59 | IguanaNed | ah i see what u mean |
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| 18:11.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rcb179f53e15b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade splinter for bugfixes and animation changes as of Jeremy's request |
| 18:11.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * raba9834dfe1c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assasin to benefit from various bug fixes |
| 18:11.29 | IguanaNed | my sim can actually move around when it is locked down |
| 18:11.43 | wcollins | looking at the sims, the one that doesn't work has 2 small indentations on short edge. other 2 are smooth. |
| 18:12.00 | IguanaNed | ah mine has indents too |
| 18:12.02 | IguanaNed | damn |
| 18:12.03 | wcollins | yikes...that can't be good. |
| 18:12.28 | wcollins | call Rogers and claim you lost it. :-) |
| 18:12.38 | IguanaNed | ;) me thought exactly |
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| 18:12.48 | MadTBone | specifically, what does "turn off/on wifi" from the power menu execute? Does it run a script? Or is it working through DBUS? |
| 18:13.20 | MadTBone | or does it just do an ifup eth0? |
| 18:13.39 | IguanaNed | hi ho hi off to rogers I go |
| 18:13.51 | wcollins | I'm just getting a new 4th SIM activated to replace the one that doesn't work...I'll email you if there's a problem with it. |
| 18:14.14 | IguanaNed | thx |
| 18:14.24 | IguanaNed | back in a bit |
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| 18:18.38 | sirex` | Can any on tell me if I can use Neo Freerunner as my primary mobile phone or Neo for now is just a toy? |
| 18:19.25 | mjr | Can, yes. Want to, depends. |
| 18:19.28 | doc|work | this bloke on the community list complaining about camera support, is it wrong that I want to respond with "compile it in yourself"? |
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| 18:19.53 | doc|work | mjr: with which image? |
| 18:20.00 | ecraven | sirex`: i wouldn't switch yet, but in a month or two, it might be stable enough |
| 18:20.06 | mjr | "pick one" |
| 18:20.55 | doc|work | mjr: asu kinda sucks still :/ |
| 18:21.09 | doc|work | have to try more recent gtk image |
| 18:22.32 | vpv | There probably isn't that much 2007.2 development anymore, I guess it's just a matter of waiting for ASU to develop or taking part in the development... |
| 18:22.34 | dtx | ok so I tried arecord after killing pulse audio |
| 18:22.39 | dtx | but it tries to record from dmix |
| 18:22.40 | mjr | yes well that's what I use |
| 18:22.52 | mjr | vpv, ...SHM |
| 18:22.56 | ecraven | isn't it going to be FSO? |
| 18:23.32 | Gnutoo | doc|work, camera would have been nice with ekiga...so you could have made sip phone calls with video(need a headset) but i think it's for gta03, and i don't know how many time i would have to wait to be able to buy the phone...so instead of buying gta03 or 04 i buy 02 |
| 18:23.40 | Gnutoo | s/i buy/i plan to buy |
| 18:23.48 | vpv | mjr: right, there's that too, but has there even been any images yet to try? |
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| 18:24.15 | mjr | no, but were I motivated, I'd work on that. Now, I'm more waiting for that ;] |
| 18:24.18 | Gnutoo | doc|work, but mabe there is a solution...an usb camera...how compact can it be? |
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| 18:24.59 | doc|work | Gnutoo: sure, but my point wasn't that, mine was "you have a phone where you *can* recompile the base code for it, you should do so" |
| 18:27.05 | Gnutoo | doc|work, i did it with oe but i don't have the phone yet(gta01-qemu target)...i'll wait a little bit for confirming my order(because of the hardware issues) i hope they will fix the 2 phones issues soon (http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1376 and http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1415) |
| 18:27.30 | Chocky | moose |
| 18:27.38 | Chocky | and let stomach out. investor has gone. |
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| 18:29.10 | dtx | I'm pretty sure this is a hardware fault here |
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| 18:29.18 | dtx | It sounds muffled though |
| 18:29.25 | dtx | The noise is amplified plenty |
| 18:29.31 | dtx | but the voice is extremely quiet |
| 18:29.48 | dtx | I wonder if the mic hole is formed correctly |
| 18:32.29 | jOERG_rw | Gnutoo: #1376 is on gta01 mainly. never confirmed to be an issue for 02. may be fixed by sw anyway |
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| 18:34.01 | SpeedEvil | !bug 1376 |
| 18:35.35 | TAsn | when will they incorporate the hw gps fix? |
| 18:35.45 | retracile | Sanity check: Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image*.rootfs.jffs2 is the ASU, right? |
| 18:36.07 | Xaos | yes.. ASU = qtopia-x11 |
| 18:36.36 | retracile | and the -devel rootfs is, which? |
| 18:36.47 | Ainulindale | OM2007.2 |
| 18:36.50 | Xaos | ok...found the ringtones (/usr/share/openmoko/sounds) now...how do I make one the default? |
| 18:37.00 | Xaos | -devel is standard GTK image |
| 18:37.27 | TAsn | Xaos, i guess you can do a hack |
| 18:37.38 | TAsn | and symlink to the one of your choice |
| 18:37.38 | TAsn | :) |
| 18:37.49 | Xaos | what do I need to symlink it to? |
| 18:38.12 | Xaos | what's the filename it wants to be the ringtone? |
| 18:38.23 | TAsn | the one you want to be the default. |
| 18:38.37 | TAsn | i mean, you said you found where the ringtone is at |
| 18:38.37 | Xaos | yes...but what is the name of the symlink? |
| 18:38.47 | TAsn | dunno, you said you found it :) |
| 18:38.55 | Xaos | I found where several ringtones are...not the DEFAULT one |
| 18:39.06 | TAsn | Xaos, just play them one by one |
| 18:39.11 | Xaos | I am... |
| 18:39.13 | TAsn | and check who is the default. |
| 18:39.18 | TAsn | ok. |
| 18:39.33 | Xaos | my question is...is there already a symlink that is pointing to the default file? |
| 18:39.37 | Xaos | where is THAT symlink? |
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| 18:39.48 | retracile | Ainulindale: thanks... the TLAs are making my head spin |
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| 18:39.55 | TAsn | Xaos, i do not know, that's what i said, im suggesting a hack |
| 18:40.04 | Ainulindale | retracile: :-) |
| 18:40.37 | Gnutoo | jOERG_rw, ah ok...as software you mean userspace or firmware? but sometimes gta02 misses calls no? |
| 18:40.53 | TAsn | find the default ringtone, rename it, make a symlink with it's prev name to you ringtone, and that's it. |
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| 18:43.01 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * ra77c8230eb6c 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: ogpsd: rename interface to org.freesmartphone.GPS |
| 18:43.01 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * ra30695b32423 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py: ousaged: control ogpsd via ousaged |
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| 18:46.41 | fsp | hi there |
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| 18:47.34 | Sjano | hello |
| 18:48.42 | Sjano | is the openmoko screen 43mm x 58mm? |
| 18:49.18 | Stroller | w000 h000! |
| 18:49.22 | Stroller | My monitor lives! |
| 18:49.27 | Stroller | does a jig |
| 18:49.37 | Sjano | hehe, congratulations |
| 18:50.58 | fsp | is looking for a ruler |
| 18:51.05 | Stroller | Sjano: Openmoko is the software |
| 18:51.13 | Stroller | Freerunner is the hardware |
| 18:51.30 | Stroller | That size is what http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner agrees with |
| 18:53.05 | fsp | anybody interested in helping me to find out why my freerunner won't connect to the gsm network? |
| 18:55.33 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rafbe6af47738 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 18:55.33 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Implement Gypsy DBUS Signals and Methods |
| 18:55.33 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: Accuracy, Position |
| 18:55.33 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: There's also org.freesmartphone.GPS.{GetTime,TimeChanged} as |
| 18:55.33 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: Gypsy doesn't seem to provide any appropriate interface |
| 18:55.52 | Stroller | You just get "Registering..." on the Home screen, fsp ? |
| 18:56.29 | fsp | that's correct |
| 18:56.30 | Sjano | hmmmm.... thanks... hehe |
| 18:56.53 | Xaos | fsp: first, is your SIM card inserted in the right way? |
| 18:56.57 | Stroller | fsp: have you got the SIM in th... |
| 18:56.59 | Stroller | What he said |
| 18:57.08 | sirex` | Heh, there is no Esc key in openmoko keypad... :/ |
| 18:57.13 | Xaos | the notched corner should be up when you slide it in the slot |
| 18:57.21 | sirex` | How do I exit from vi ??? |
| 18:57.28 | Xaos | sirex: that's why you install matchbox keyboard |
| 18:57.32 | Chocky | !!! |
| 18:57.37 | fsp | yes Xaos it's cutted corner is towards the antenna jack and the contacts are facing downwards |
| 18:57.40 | Chocky | :q! |
| 18:57.41 | dlowe | sirex`: ZZ |
| 18:57.56 | Xaos | fsp: ok...next, take out your SIM and look at it... |
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| 18:58.00 | Stroller | sirex`: you mean "how do I exit vi's edit mode without an escape key?" |
| 18:58.01 | fsp | sirex, use ":q" |
| 18:58.22 | fsp | Xaos, wait a sec, have to shut the device down |
| 18:58.27 | Xaos | np... |
| 18:58.38 | kd8ikt | landscape mode my touchpad is miscalibrated |
| 18:58.39 | Chocky | ctrl-z, read vi man page, fg, exit vi |
| 18:58.40 | sirex` | Stroller: yes, I mean that.. |
| 18:59.11 | sirex` | Chocky: openmoko keypad doesn't has Ctrl key too.. :) |
| 18:59.23 | Chocky | moral: don't use vi |
| 18:59.27 | Chocky | opkg install nano |
| 18:59.27 | Stroller | sirex`: you can't with the default keyboard. You need to install a different one. Google "install matchbox keyboard freerunner" |
| 18:59.31 | Xaos | sirex: do you have ssh access yet? |
| 18:59.34 | fsp | Xaos, sim lies in front of my eyes :) |
| 18:59.44 | kd8ikt | o insap-icotalled the qwerty keyboard |
| 18:59.44 | Chocky | fsp: how can you see? ;p |
| 18:59.53 | mjr | the sim is a lie! |
| 18:59.55 | kd8ikt | though finger use is out of the question |
| 18:59.57 | Xaos | fsp: ok...do you see the 5 digit SKU number and/or the 4 digit vendor/version number |
| 19:00.11 | sirex` | Stroller: thanks. Xaos: I just launched emulator, just looking... |
| 19:00.24 | Xaos | fsp: the first thing you need to do is realize...THERE IS NO SIM! |
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| 19:00.31 | Xaos | sorry...couldn't resist |
| 19:00.32 | Chocky | laffs |
| 19:00.43 | fsp | huh? |
| 19:00.52 | Xaos | fsp: do you see any 4 or 5 digit numbers on your SIM? |
| 19:01.16 | fsp | missed that, i think :) ya, there are different numbers on that card |
| 19:01.17 | Sjano | is the software complete? so an end user could use it? |
| 19:01.20 | Xaos | not the really long one...but just 4 or 5 digits? |
| 19:01.34 | fsp | vendor # is maybe G0172? |
| 19:01.35 | Stroller | Sjano: not really |
| 19:01.36 | Xaos | give me the 4 and/or 5 digit numbers you see (again...not the long one) |
| 19:01.40 | donomo | Sjano: not really |
| 19:01.57 | fsp | 2065 is another one Xaos |
| 19:02.08 | Xaos | fsp: hmm...that's not on the list... |
| 19:02.14 | Xaos | fsp...let's take a step back |
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| 19:02.24 | Xaos | then a step forward...now we're cha-cha'ing |
| 19:02.32 | Xaos | (BONUS if you can name the movie) |
| 19:02.35 | fsp | shiny :D |
| 19:02.36 | Chocky | just a step to the left. and a jump to the right |
| 19:02.42 | Chocky | let's do the timewarp again. |
| 19:02.42 | donomo | its the freerunner two-step! |
| 19:02.58 | fsp | no clue about that movie, give me a hint |
| 19:03.02 | Xaos | fsp: what type of card do you have...does it have "3G" on it? is it AT&T? |
| 19:03.11 | Xaos | Chocky: FAIL!!! |
| 19:03.18 | Xaos | Val Kilmer was in the movie... |
| 19:03.22 | fsp | nope, it's a vodafone (none-3G) |
| 19:03.32 | Chocky | fails. |
| 19:03.36 | fsp | uh, was it Top secret? |
| 19:03.48 | Xaos | fsp: oh...sorry...can only help if it was a 3G one...that was the problem I had |
| 19:03.55 | Chocky | anyway, I wasn't trying to name that movie |
| 19:03.59 | Xaos | fsp: nope...but close...REAL GENIUS! |
| 19:04.07 | Chocky | _Was_ about to guess RG however |
| 19:04.09 | fsp | is sad :( fails in all disciplines |
| 19:04.12 | Xaos | Chocky..I know...but I still liked to say Chocky: FAIL!!! |
| 19:04.13 | Chocky | Xaos gave answer too fast |
| 19:04.40 | Xaos | fsp: here's the bug I've seen and fixed by getting a new SIM: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666 |
| 19:04.46 | Xaos | it might help you too... |
| 19:04.48 | Chocky | but I don't reall the cha cha bit in the movie. |
| 19:05.13 | fsp | gnarf, new SIM is uncool :/ |
| 19:05.26 | Stroller | Bug #666 - Satan's SIM |
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| 19:05.30 | Xaos | it's when Mitch is stressed out and Chris says "let's take a step back from our problem for a minute"...right before the big beach party scene |
| 19:05.38 | Chocky | ah right. |
| 19:05.48 | Chocky | for values of "beach" |
| 19:05.50 | ecraven | has anyone found a holder for the FR, to put it into your car as a navigation system? |
| 19:05.50 | Xaos | fsp: you may not need a new sim...your problem sounds different |
| 19:06.02 | Chocky | duct tape |
| 19:06.08 | Xaos | ecraven: Styrofoam cup? |
| 19:06.23 | almien | ecraven: there are some generic ones if you search for "PDA holder" |
| 19:06.26 | Xaos | Velcro on back of FR and on dash? |
| 19:06.31 | almien | I was looking for a bike mount for it |
| 19:06.49 | Xaos | I don't think a bike will fit on my neo... |
| 19:07.07 | fsp | think so, read only successful reports from people using the same provider like me |
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| 19:10.25 | fsp | will try out that AT thingy a little bit... |
| 19:10.39 | linuxxr | # gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/poky/interface/reduced true |
| 19:10.56 | linuxxr | i guess mine came shiped this way |
| 19:11.05 | fsp | mine too, linuxxr |
| 19:11.06 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rfdafe393237a 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: ogpsd: Disable sending of time messages and only request them on demand |
| 19:11.06 | linuxxr | to save power i guess |
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| 19:12.30 | openbooger | anyone know how to import contacts into the qtopia image? |
| 19:12.54 | openbooger | read a forum post that you have to import evolution contacts db but I can't find where to put that db file |
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| 19:13.27 | fsp | wish I was as far as openbooger |
| 19:14.08 | kd8ikt | any1 have ipv6 connectivity? |
| 19:14.39 | ecraven | hm.. all the universal pda holders seem cheap and broken ;( |
| 19:15.13 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r94339bbd6779 10/src/zhone: show GPS data on the location page |
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| 19:15.39 | kd8ikt | ping6 2001:470:1f11:c7:212:cfff:fe8f:347b <-- my moko ;) |
| 19:16.29 | kd8ikt | and no the passwd isnt hard return |
| 19:16.32 | kd8ikt | :P |
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| 19:17.10 | linuxxr | ifup eth0 |
| 19:17.15 | openbooger | fsp, what? as far as? |
| 19:17.18 | ecraven | are there adapters for car cigarette heater -> mini usb that i can use for the neo in a car? |
| 19:17.19 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.40 | openbooger | ecraven, most probably. I know motorola made them |
| 19:17.44 | linuxxr | o |
| 19:17.48 | linuxxr | ic |
| 19:18.02 | fsp | my freerunner won't connet to the mobile net openbooger :( |
| 19:18.13 | kd8ikt | i cant believe a lot of new phones still have propreitary cables |
| 19:18.23 | openbooger | ah |
| 19:18.26 | linuxxr | no lease failing |
| 19:18.37 | kd8ikt | and they charge like 30+$ for a usb to whatever |
| 19:18.44 | Chocky | I can. extra $$$ for manufacturer |
| 19:18.50 | openbooger | kd8ikt, they needs your moneys |
| 19:18.51 | linuxxr | operator malfunction |
| 19:18.56 | Chocky | iRipOff |
| 19:19.13 | Chocky | I think Razor is a standard mini-A though |
| 19:19.17 | kd8ikt | its bs |
| 19:19.28 | Chocky | so don't buy those phones :p |
| 19:19.34 | kd8ikt | wont |
| 19:19.43 | Chocky | nor won't |
| 19:19.49 | linuxxr | says registering at the top |
| 19:19.52 | kd8ikt | i'm so glad i dont have to carry that nokia in my pocket anylonger |
| 19:20.02 | linuxxr | is that because theres no sim? |
| 19:20.05 | fuzzyt | anyone find a good belt case for the freerunner? |
| 19:20.15 | kd8ikt | heh a fag bag |
| 19:20.19 | fuzzyt | yup |
| 19:20.21 | fuzzyt | ;) |
| 19:20.24 | linuxxr | an i didnt get a lanyard |
| 19:20.30 | fsp | nope fuzzyt, not that simple :) |
| 19:20.40 | kd8ikt | yeah i thought they came with lanyards |
| 19:20.44 | kd8ikt | mine didnt |
| 19:21.36 | linuxxr | so any pay as u go phone sin will work? |
| 19:21.46 | linuxxr | &sim |
| 19:22.09 | Xaos | linuxxr: didn't you PAY for your neo? Well...there you GO. |
| 19:22.10 | kd8ikt | dont have gsm access yet? |
| 19:22.11 | fsp | no, it's a contracted none-3g SIM |
| 19:22.22 | kd8ikt | yike no kidding Xaos |
| 19:22.22 | doc|work | linuxxr: I don't think anyone did |
| 19:23.32 | openbooger | so no one knows how to import contacts into the qtopia image? |
| 19:24.30 | Xaos | has anyone successfully gotten a bluetooth headset to work with the GTK image? not stereo headsets...just the standard phone ones |
| 19:24.43 | kd8ikt | didnt someone say use evolution import? |
| 19:24.46 | kd8ikt | openbooger: |
| 19:25.17 | openbooger | kd8ikt? how would I do that? |
| 19:25.29 | openbooger | i have the addressbook.db on my laptop in evolution |
| 19:25.47 | openbooger | where does that go on the neo? |
| 19:26.04 | kd8ikt | age you are using. If you are using the qtopia image, I think |
| 19:26.04 | kd8ikt | you need to get the contacts into qtopia image somehow. I think the |
| 19:26.08 | doc|work | man, whoever's watching sales@openmoko needs a kick in the arse |
| 19:26.15 | kd8ikt | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td220167 |
| 19:26.21 | kd8ikt | whoopz sorry for the paste |
| 19:27.03 | kd8ikt | so has anyone ping6'd my moko? |
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| 19:28.47 | openbooger | kd8ikt, yeah i saw that url, but i do'nt know where the addressbook.db goes |
| 19:29.25 | kd8ikt | home/root? |
| 19:29.43 | kd8ikt | somewhere in there look at the hidden files |
| 19:30.04 | kd8ikt | hint /home/root/.evolution |
| 19:31.07 | fsp | alright, libgsmd-tool reports CME ERROR: 13 "SIM failure". Guess I have to try it with another SIM card |
| 19:31.20 | openbooger | kd8ikt, don't have that, should I make it? |
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| 19:32.22 | doc|work | are class 6 microsd cards as fast as class 6 sd cards? |
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| 19:32.55 | retracile | doc|work: I was assuming so... |
| 19:33.07 | doc|work | ok, cool |
| 19:33.24 | mmontour | Should be. The "class" is the rated sustained write speed in MB/s |
| 19:33.39 | erwin_ | Hi, I just received my FreeRunner and after boot, I don't get Today page but juste the wallpaper. Is it normal ? |
| 19:33.43 | kd8ikt | i couldnt tell ya openbooger , i havent used qtopia and my contacts were saved to sim and the moko os picks em up just fine |
| 19:33.47 | doc|work | erwin_: yep |
| 19:33.53 | retracile | Fry's has a 4GB uSDHC class 6 for $20 here |
| 19:33.57 | doc|work | erwin_: you should look at the getting started page on the wiki |
| 19:34.03 | openbooger | kd8ikt, yeah, i can't fit all mine on the SIM |
| 19:34.11 | kd8ikt | well arent we popular |
| 19:34.16 | openbooger | haha |
| 19:34.20 | mmontour | doc|work: I bought one of those 4G cards that are on sale at ncix. I'll try it in my gta01 tonight. |
| 19:34.31 | doc|work | retracile: yeah, found similar here, only I'm thinking I'll go with the 8gb |
| 19:34.34 | doc|work | mmontour: nice :) |
| 19:34.38 | erwin_ | doc|work: i'm on it : The first thing after you boot Openmoko should be the "Today" page |
| 19:34.45 | doc|work | mmontour: thinking I'll go shopping tonight :) |
| 19:34.47 | retracile | doc|work: 8gb class 6? |
| 19:34.58 | doc|work | get the 8gb one and they have 640gb hard disks for a decent price |
| 19:35.01 | doc|work | retracile: yep |
| 19:35.13 | doc|work | retracile: no, sorry, 4gb |
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| 19:35.31 | retracile | doc|work: aw, you got my hopes up. |
| 19:36.12 | doc|work | retracile: hehe |
| 19:36.22 | doc|work | retracile: they have 8gb class six for $40 |
| 19:36.30 | doc|work | think I'll get one of those |
| 19:37.34 | mmontour | doc|work: where did you find the 8G class6 microSD? I've only seen ones that meet 2 of those 3 conditions |
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| 19:38.27 | doc|work | mmontour: patriot one on ncix site, sku 29938 |
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| 19:38.50 | retracile | doc|work: linky? |
| 19:39.13 | kelvie_work | retracile: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=29938&vpn=PSF8GMSDHC6&manufacture=Patriot |
| 19:39.21 | mmontour | That's mini, not micro |
| 19:39.35 | kelvie_work | ah, so it is :P |
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| 19:39.46 | kelvie_work | I've only been able to find class 4 8gb ones |
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| 19:40.21 | mmontour | I don't think there will be much gain from a class6 when it's sitting behind the glamo. |
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| 19:41.20 | Xaos | retracile: are those SanDisks? |
| 19:41.45 | retracile | Xaos: no, uh, patriot, I believe. |
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| 19:41.53 | retracile | Xaos: it's in their Friday ad. |
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| 19:41.57 | openbooger | so what's up with the glamo, will we ever be able to play video reasonably or is it a problem we'll just have to live with |
| 19:42.03 | mmontour | Some performance measurements for a Sandisk 8G: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021270.html |
| 19:42.40 | Xaos | retracile: cool I'll stop by on my way home and look at them. I work real close to the Fry's in Irving |
| 19:42.56 | doc|work | mmontour: oh, arse, they won't fit then :/ |
| 19:42.58 | retracile | Xaos: that can be dangerous ya know. ;) |
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| 19:43.20 | doc|work | ok, 4gb it is |
| 19:43.35 | DaveLab | :p |
| 19:43.38 | bricode | mmontour: Class 4 and 6 won't make a difference if you can only push ~3MB/sec on there. |
| 19:43.43 | almien__ | anyone get text-screen on opkg-upgrade, with "*** in function ecore_event-hanler_del() Input handle pointer is NULL" followed by angstrom help screen? |
| 19:43.49 | Gnutoo | openbooger, ah there is a problem with the glamo? ouch... is it because it's on the same bus than gps and sd? will it afect the capacity of rotating the screen? |
| 19:43.58 | almien__ | no way out except reboot |
| 19:44.45 | newb | Xaos: awake? :) |
| 19:45.11 | openbooger | Gnutoo: i've heard there's bandwidth issues |
| 19:45.18 | lpotter | almien__: qtopia 4.4 has screen rotation, it works ok |
| 19:45.32 | newb | Xaos: i really need to figure out a solution to the poor audio quality :( I think i'll try a Blutoot handsfree |
| 19:45.36 | Gnutoo | openbooger, ah...mabe i should look at the mailing-list if i find something... |
| 19:45.55 | newb | Xaos: maybe i need to put on the Wiki the exact Alsa mixer settings which work |
| 19:45.59 | openbooger | Gnutoo, i'm sure you will |
| 19:46.03 | toggles_w | almien__: i did |
| 19:46.04 | bricode | openbooger: Apparently the Glamo is on the SD bus, so is in contention when readin/writing to SD. |
| 19:46.20 | kd8ikt | heh my grandma loves bocelli |
| 19:46.23 | mjr | the glamo _is_ the sd controller |
| 19:46.24 | toggles_w | almien__: i reflashed a new image from last night, it worked |
| 19:46.29 | openbooger | ahh, that makes sense. and doesn't. |
| 19:46.38 | kd8ikt | i thought the glamo was the vid chip |
| 19:46.39 | almien__ | oh. so just replace everything then, toggles_w? |
| 19:46.42 | mjr | kd8ikt, that too |
| 19:46.53 | bricode | mjr: Ah. Right. |
| 19:46.56 | kd8ikt | hm |
| 19:47.03 | almien__ | didn't flash anything yet, just been using okpg |
| 19:47.12 | toggles_w | almien__: actually,this was on sd, but yes |
| 19:47.19 | mjr | anyway yeah, class 6 microsd not a big priority for the freerunner |
| 19:47.46 | almien__ | oh. not been using SD since I use GPS |
| 19:47.58 | DaveLab | man, the soldering job looks like ass |
| 19:48.09 | kd8ikt | almien__: theres an updated kernel that fixed that |
| 19:48.19 | kd8ikt | uses both GPS and sd |
| 19:48.23 | newb | Xaos: on Qtopia my friend claimed he could faintly hear my voice |
| 19:48.32 | mjr | openbooger, as for video playback, there's certainly potential: http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ |
| 19:48.40 | newb | Xaos: even after i turned up the volume on full from the settings panel |
| 19:49.04 | Xaos | newb: sorry...was away...I think I got my sound working on the mic |
| 19:49.06 | DaveLab | oh yeah? |
| 19:49.14 | mjr | it's all very kludgy, but there's at least preliminary working code |
| 19:49.17 | Xaos | hang on a sec and I'll look over what I did |
| 19:49.21 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: don't consider to do it (soldering) if you're not used to it!!! |
| 19:49.51 | Ainulindale | jOERG_rw: err what should we do then ? |
| 19:50.03 | Ainulindale | Do you have plans on some kind of program with resellers and such ? |
| 19:50.12 | DaveLab | Joerg, I am :) |
| 19:50.16 | Ainulindale | Or people able to do that in each country ? |
| 19:50.19 | Ainulindale | (I'm just curious) |
| 19:50.26 | Ainulindale | (I'm not use to solder things) |
| 19:50.32 | Ainulindale | +d |
| 19:50.47 | jOERG_rw | Ainulindale: wait for some instructions from your reseller, I'd suggest |
| 19:50.50 | Xaos | newb: where's a good place in the wiki to put this? (mic volume) |
| 19:50.51 | DaveLab | Did ten year old kids from china solder these leads? |
| 19:51.07 | Ainulindale | jOERG_rw: ok I'll ask them then :-) |
| 19:51.12 | Xaos | ok...give me a sec and I'll add something to here: http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Adjusting_the_Volume |
| 19:51.22 | Ainulindale | jOERG_rw: oh and by the way, no new information on sound problems ? (low voice, low mic) |
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| 19:51.31 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: nah, machines did it |
| 19:51.57 | jOERG_rw | Ainulindale: nope. visit taipei to takle that next week |
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| 19:52.10 | Ainulindale | jOERG_rw: it's an order or a description of what you'll do ? :-) |
| 19:52.26 | Ainulindale | jOERG_rw: nice to know then |
| 19:52.27 | jOERG_rw | lol! descriptionn |
| 19:52.39 | Ainulindale | It's not that big a deal but it's pretty annoying at times |
| 19:52.46 | Ainulindale | What's weird is that it depends on people I call |
| 19:52.53 | Ainulindale | (Or places I'm in) |
| 19:52.56 | jOERG_rw | **I know*** |
| 19:53.01 | Ainulindale | (I suppose it has to do with sensibility/reception) |
| 19:53.10 | DaveLab | haha |
| 19:53.16 | jOERG_rw | the later |
| 19:53.19 | DaveLab | rut roh |
| 19:53.31 | Ainulindale | jOERG_rw: But I'm sure you know more about that than I do |
| 19:53.37 | Ainulindale | And I have some SHR work to do :-p |
| 19:53.46 | almien__ | kd8ikt: how do you get updated kernel? by flashing? |
| 19:53.50 | jOERG_rw | sometimes think I know nuttin |
| 19:54.07 | rockstar | What image has the current development focus |
| 19:54.15 | Ainulindale | jOERG_rw: Oh, that's what I said, I was being ironic |
| 19:54.16 | Ainulindale | :-> |
| 19:54.30 | jOERG_rw | Ainulindale: but yeah, thats another *real* nasty one |
| 19:54.42 | Ainulindale | jOERG_rw: you mean the problem ? |
| 19:54.50 | newb | Xaos: i think we'll create a category under telephony |
| 19:54.52 | Ainulindale | jOERG_rw: Seriously, I had just two problems, the GPS one and that one |
| 19:55.01 | Ainulindale | If they're both solved, I'm the happiest guy in the world |
| 19:55.42 | jOERG_rw | GSM-noise is harder to fix than GPS issue |
| 19:55.52 | Ainulindale | Why is that ? |
| 19:55.55 | Ainulindale | Is it still hardware ? |
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| 19:56.34 | Xaos | ack! I cannot edit the wiki pages...I keep getting MySQL errors |
| 19:56.44 | jOERG_rw | Ainulindale: we're still investigating and researching. But EMI may come by many ways |
| 19:56.46 | DaveLab | :x |
| 19:57.07 | Xaos | Someone needs to repair the MySQL table "searchindex" on the wiki ASAP!!! |
| 19:57.09 | malik1972 | ainulindale: i tried andys kernel and now i got gps fixes without an external anntenna |
| 19:57.11 | Ainulindale | jOERG_rw: I understand, but I do hope you'll find :-) |
| 19:57.18 | jOERG_rw | Ainulindale: only success if you block all of them same time |
| 19:57.26 | Ainulindale | malik1972: it's been two days I used andy's kernel ;-) |
| 19:57.31 | DaveLab | it sucks |
| 19:57.31 | DaveLab | who cares |
| 19:57.32 | mmontour | jOERG_rw: a comment on http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/883 claims that removing the SD card also helped the GSM problem. |
| 19:57.44 | Ainulindale | jOERG_rw: them what ? |
| 19:58.16 | Xaos | ok..so I don't lose it, here's how to adjust your microphone volume |
| 19:58.16 | Xaos | # ssh into your Freerunner |
| 19:58.16 | Xaos | # vi /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state |
| 19:58.16 | Xaos | # search for "Mic2" |
| 19:58.16 | Xaos | # change to "value 3" |
| 19:58.33 | malik1972 | ainlindale: no luck? |
| 19:58.35 | jOERG_rw | mmontour: seems to be a bogus report |
| 19:58.54 | mmontour | It seemed strange to me |
| 19:59.01 | Ainulindale | Why would it be bogus ? |
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| 19:59.27 | newb | Xaos: sorry i went offline for a while. i missed anything u said? |
| 19:59.30 | jOERG_rw | mmontour: very strange. seems he mixed up sth... :-/ ??? |
| 20:00.01 | mmontour | OTOH I wouldn't have guessed that SD could interfere with GPS either. |
| 20:00.28 | mmontour | Maybe SD interference = lower S/N received by the Calypso = it boosts its Tx power? Pure speculation. |
| 20:00.53 | DaveLab | what device is the sd card? |
| 20:00.56 | Xaos | newb: One way to increase the volume of the microphone is to do the following: |
| 20:00.56 | Xaos | # ssh into your Freerunner |
| 20:00.56 | Xaos | # vi /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state |
| 20:00.56 | Xaos | # search for "Mic2" |
| 20:00.56 | Xaos | # change to "value 3" |
| 20:01.03 | jOERG_rw | mmontour: we might check this anyway |
| 20:01.40 | Stroller | Dave: df -h |
| 20:01.58 | mmontour | Did anyone ever find a way to find out the transmit power level through the engineering-mode AT commands? |
| 20:01.59 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: `mount` |
| 20:02.13 | newb | Xaos: ha!! why didn't i think of that! :( I'm too sleepy i should have opened those files earlier |
| 20:02.25 | Xaos | hehe |
| 20:02.28 | rockstar | What image has the current development focus? |
| 20:02.28 | newb | Xaos: but really somewhere we need to explain what those files mean |
| 20:02.32 | Xaos | yep |
| 20:02.33 | mmontour | DaveLab: should show up as /dev/mmcblk0 (+ p1 etc. for partitions) |
| 20:02.33 | jOERG_rw | mmontour: not yet (GRRRRRRRRRRR >:-( ) |
| 20:03.19 | Xaos | I may try to see if there's a way to write a python script to do this through a gui...when I get the chance ;-) |
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| 20:04.33 | malik1972 | lpotter: ping |
| 20:04.35 | jOERG_rw | mmontour: but we're pretty sure noise is a factor of TX power |
| 20:04.56 | newb | Xaos: good idea i would like to have a C GTK+ app doing it instead. it would load faster that way |
| 20:04.59 | lpotter | malik1972: pong |
| 20:05.06 | mmontour | I have a microwave-oven leakage detector that picks up a signal when I put it next to a transmitting Neo. It might be possible to take the diode out of it and glue it to the outside of the Neo case to get an analog indication of Tx power |
| 20:05.13 | Xaos | newb: the issue I was having was that I would make a change using alsamixer, but it would restore some other file befare I could save it. |
| 20:05.25 | Xaos | newb: great idea...you do that! ;-) |
| 20:05.31 | mmontour | glued to the case so that the reading doesn't change as the phone is moved around |
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| 20:05.43 | MadTBone | gpsd complains about no /dev/ttyS3 ... yet agpsui is working and reporting data... how does agpsui talk to the gps radio? |
| 20:05.44 | jOERG_rw | mmontour: already thought about that |
| 20:05.46 | malik1972 | lpotter: someone asks for a rootfs as a tgz file or is there a way for jffs2tgz conversion? |
| 20:05.48 | newb | Xaos: hmmmm... ok i think i'll update the wiki |
| 20:06.05 | newb | Xaos: but I need to make a call to figure out how well it's working whether it solves the issue :( |
| 20:06.11 | Xaos | newb: I tried to...seems to have a corrupt MySQL table...no updates |
| 20:06.13 | lpotter | malik1972: yes. and yes. :) |
| 20:06.16 | malik1972 | lpotter: thanx for the newest updates |
| 20:06.17 | mmontour | MadTBone: should be /dev/ttySAC1 - edit the config file |
| 20:06.19 | Xaos | please do newb |
| 20:06.20 | jOERG_rw | mmontour: however it doesn't help much, we already know it depends on TXpower |
| 20:06.34 | jtickle | so I just got mine, it's fancy and pretty and charged up, but I don't have a GSM plan for it yet (hoping to go to the store this evening) |
| 20:06.36 | Xaos | and let me know if it is good solution for you...I haven't tested it very well yet |
| 20:06.38 | malik1972 | lpotter: can you explain the latter yes, is it complicated? |
| 20:06.40 | jtickle | what fun things can I do with it for the time being? |
| 20:06.42 | lpotter | malik1972: ya, that resume display was really bugging me |
| 20:07.02 | newb | Xaos: the Airtel network is down in mumbai for the last 12 hours. i don't have an alternate connection from Vodafone. I have a CDMA phone for an alternate connection. |
| 20:07.31 | Xaos | haha...isn't that always the luck? |
| 20:07.38 | mmontour | jOERG_rw: I thought it would be a useful way to know what the Txpower was at any given time (since as you said the modem won't tell you thorugh software) |
| 20:07.46 | Xaos | so...you in mumbai eh? we have a lot of people over there as well |
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| 20:07.51 | malik1972 | lpotter: that was not a really problem for me |
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| 20:08.14 | newb | Xaos: well.. it's pathetic. Airtel is supposed to b the best n/w here in India, the state of today's events have left me completely surprised. these guys don't even have a backup! |
| 20:08.19 | malik1972 | lpotter: can you bundle the rootfs for your the next upcoming update? |
| 20:08.30 | newb | Xaos: apparently their NOC caught fire |
| 20:08.30 | DaveLab | haha crap |
| 20:08.37 | Xaos | ouch! |
| 20:08.45 | DaveLab | so would I have to create the device myself now? ;) |
| 20:08.46 | mmontour | jOERG_rw: actually for me (gta01) the GSM buzzing is tolerable. The big problem is the echo heard by the remote end. |
| 20:08.49 | jOERG_rw | mmontour: yep. we make progress though. this detail is known by now. |
| 20:08.57 | DaveLab | joerg, I inserted it after boot ;) |
| 20:08.59 | lpotter | malik1972: like this http://pastebin.us/?show=m75db7bf5 |
| 20:09.22 | malik1972 | lpotter: thanx |
| 20:09.28 | lpotter | malik1972: I will make a rootfs + qtopia available for those that want to run it from sd |
| 20:09.42 | MadTBone | mmontour: thanks |
| 20:09.45 | jOERG_rw | DaveLab: never heard of someone inserting SDcard after boot. System will not notice it |
| 20:10.18 | DaveLab | no kidding |
| 20:10.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * race6e2159aa4 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the kernel to latest stable |
| 20:10.36 | DaveLab | Couldn't I manually add the device via some arduous manner? :D |
| 20:10.38 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r546271687e18 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the kernel to latest stable |
| 20:10.50 | DaveLab | or force udev |
| 20:10.51 | newb | Xaos: now i'm terribly sleepy. I got the GPS working. Let's see how it works tomorrow on my trip |
| 20:10.57 | jOERG_rw | mmontour: I'll evetually send some instructions to investigate that problem on GTA01 |
| 20:11.04 | newb | Xaos: gnite |
| 20:11.06 | newb | sleeps |
| 20:11.15 | DaveLab | finally :P |
| 20:11.23 | jOERG_rw | goes having "lunch" |
| 20:11.25 | mmontour | jOERG_rw: thanks |
| 20:11.26 | malik1972 | lpotter: thanx again, i like the direct connection to developers etc. if i would have a problem with windows mobile (no i dont have one) it woul take months |
| 20:11.27 | DaveLab | ww okay |
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| 20:12.06 | Xaos | gnite newb |
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| 20:14.43 | MadTBone | how can I start an app (like tangogps) from ssh and get it to go to screen 0? |
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| 20:15.56 | retracile | MadTBone: try setting DISPLAY=:0 |
| 20:17.11 | MadTBone | retracile: thanks |
| 20:19.43 | Silmarillion | wanting to try out the qtopia image I try to boot in NAND state... but when I choose console on USB it simple waits about 2 seconds at returns to the boot menu, I have the usb cable plugged in, but what do I have to do on the host machine? |
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| 20:22.25 | MadTBone | Silmarillion: read http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
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| 20:23.14 | MadTBone | how many freerunners were sold in total? |
| 20:23.37 | Silmarillion | MadTBone: that's what I'm trying to do... |
| 20:23.45 | doc|work | MadTBone: openmoko is a private company, I'm not expecting they'll tell us |
| 20:23.49 | Stroller | MadTBone: you're unlikely to learn that except under NDA |
| 20:24.46 | doc|work | maybe they will, if the numbers are reasonably high, it could encourage competition from an open angle which could make more components available |
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| 20:25.51 | Stroller | someone worked out from the order numbers how many were being shipped in the first few days whilst the store was open. |
| 20:26.04 | Stroller | Was it as many as 2000 per day those first couple of day? |
| 20:26.09 | balrog-kun | iirc all that were available in usa and almost all of those that were available in europe so that must be some 2000 |
| 20:26.11 | Stroller | Or am I misremembering & it was 200? |
| 20:27.05 | doc|work | Stroller: they were shipping about 1000 orders a day but an order could be one phone or it could be ten |
| 20:27.17 | Stroller | Okies |
| 20:27.42 | Stroller | But we can prolly assume the majority were single phones |
| 20:27.57 | MadTBone | well...I'm just glad I go in early... |
| 20:28.17 | MadTBone | s/go/got |
| 20:28.23 | Stroller | Maybe we can guesstimate 4000 - 10000 Freerunners sold so far? |
| 20:29.55 | MadTBone | Stroller: that's a pretty wide range...how does that compare to a normal commercial phone of similar specs (iPhone not considered) |
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| 20:30.56 | Stroller | MadTBone: it's an order of magnitude range |
| 20:31.09 | Stroller | MadTBone: 2,000 - 500,000 would be a wide range |
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| 20:31.36 | Stroller | 500,000, for instance, would have a MUCH different effect on the market |
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| 20:32.29 | Stroller | Motorola or Nokia, not sure which, sold 51.9 million mobile phones in the second quarter of 2006 , a 53% increase on the same period a year ago. |
| 20:32.39 | Stroller | This is the period of Razr release |
| 20:33.05 | MadTBone | Stroller: right...but what portion of that was smartphone sales? |
| 20:33.23 | Stroller | Hmmmn... now that's an interesting question |
| 20:33.27 | MadTBone | Stroller: particularly those w/ wifi |
| 20:33.53 | MadTBone | Stroller: I mean...it's a totally different target demographic |
| 20:34.22 | Gnutoo | by the way does anyone tried the pda version of battle for wesnoth? it requires a 320x240 screen and openmoko phones have 640x480 if you rotate the the screen....(i would like to try on qemu but as i didn't have usb networking working because of the power button that is not working i wasn't able to try) |
| 20:34.25 | Stroller | Worldwide, the software giant sold over 11 million units of its Windows Mobile software in the fiscal year ending in June 2007 |
| 20:35.12 | Gnutoo | another good game would be wormux...but it's not in openembedded....but the screen seems ok,there is also pygame in openembedded |
| 20:36.03 | MadTBone | Stroller: but that doesn't necessarily translate into 11M that got to end users...I assume that software gets "sold" to HTC et. al. |
| 20:36.11 | carrar | w00t |
| 20:36.14 | carrar | phone arrived |
| 20:36.32 | Stroller | Well, again, it's not gong to be orders of magnitude wrong, is it. MadTBone ? |
| 20:36.35 | CVirus | lucky you |
| 20:36.41 | dtx | carrar: now call your voice mail box and then check your message and see if you are too quiet to hear it |
| 20:36.43 | dtx | :-P |
| 20:36.52 | Stroller | huggles carrar |
| 20:37.04 | carrar | I need to figure out how to open it 1st to put the batter in :) |
| 20:37.20 | dtx | carrar: pull back on that little slot with your finger nail |
| 20:37.25 | MadTBone | Stroller: probably right |
| 20:37.26 | Stroller | Like, blimey, MadTBone! only 9M Windows Mobile smartphones were sold in 2007! |
| 20:37.32 | retracile | carrar: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 20:37.36 | Stroller | It's still 1000 times more than the Freerunner |
| 20:37.42 | carrar | thanks |
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| 20:37.58 | retracile | carrar: read that... it'll help you avoid a number of pitfalls |
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| 20:42.13 | Avanc | Does anybody know how I get the "Enter/Return" key in the ASU (Illume) Keyboard? |
| 20:42.26 | kd8ikt | omfg have you seen aslamixer? there is like 30 devices |
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| 20:43.54 | dtx | kd8ikt: Yeah I've unfortunately seen it |
| 20:44.06 | dtx | Are people on the other side of the call unable to hear you also? |
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| 20:45.58 | kd8ikt | only when i use the headphones static goes up like 70% |
| 20:46.02 | carrar | oh damn I have to charge it 1st!! :) |
| 20:46.15 | kd8ikt | that would help carrar |
| 20:46.20 | carrar | I can charge it without the sim card in it right? |
| 20:46.23 | mmontour | kd8ikt: not only that, many of the alsamixer names do not describe their actual function on the Neo (they're based on a reference implementation for the wm8753, not customized for the Neo) |
| 20:46.35 | kd8ikt | super |
| 20:47.03 | kd8ikt | cause it sounds like my left speaker is way to loud and the right is even on? |
| 20:47.25 | retracile | carrar: yep |
| 20:47.45 | mmontour | there is only 1 speaker (not counting the earpiece) in the Freerunner |
| 20:48.13 | carrar | this phone feels good in the hand |
| 20:48.22 | mmontour | 2 speaker holes in the case because it was re-used from the 1973 |
| 20:48.54 | kd8ikt | hey whats the alsamixer key for turning up right channel more, q=left |
| 20:49.24 | carrar | turns on as soon as I plugged the charge in |
| 20:49.31 | mmontour | q/z for left, e/c for right |
| 20:50.10 | kd8ikt | ok its e |
| 20:50.57 | Xaos | if your microphone volume is too low, the wiki's been updated with a potential fix |
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| 20:51.56 | dtx | where Xaos? link please |
| 20:51.58 | kd8ikt | 's freerunner is playing daftpunk-technologic |
| 20:52.34 | Xaos | dtx: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Adjusting_the_Volume |
| 20:53.50 | Stroller | Blimey, kd8ikt! Have you tried flashing a different firmware? |
| 20:53.54 | dtx | I guarantee you that won't work |
| 20:53.56 | dtx | but let me try it |
| 20:54.03 | Stroller | I'd file a bug immediately! |
| 20:54.19 | dtx | as far as the volume goes |
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| 20:56.47 | Xaos | dtx...it's working for me |
| 20:56.47 | Ainulindale | Xaos: it's not a fix at all |
| 20:56.54 | Ainulindale | it's unbearable for me |
| 20:56.58 | kd8ikt | i dont see a mic2 volume level |
| 20:56.59 | Ainulindale | GSM buzzing all over the place |
| 20:57.14 | Xaos | Don't adjust it in alsamixer |
| 20:57.24 | Xaos | edit the file directly...that's what worked for me |
| 20:57.34 | Ainulindale | It's the same. |
| 20:57.39 | Xaos | yes and no |
| 20:58.02 | Ainulindale | Why wouldn't it be the same as adjusting in alsamixer during call ? |
| 20:58.05 | Xaos | when I edited it in alsamixer and just sat there in alsamixer, it suddenly reverted back to zero |
| 20:58.21 | Ainulindale | That's because phone-kit reloads the conf when the call happens |
| 20:58.29 | Xaos | this seems to indicate that alsa is restoring the file over and over |
| 20:58.30 | Ainulindale | But if you do that during a call |
| 20:58.31 | Ainulindale | It's the same |
| 20:58.32 | kd8ikt | i'd do an rootfs update but i invested a lot of time in this one ;) |
| 20:58.36 | Xaos | Yes...during a call it reverted |
| 20:58.43 | Ainulindale | At the beginning |
| 20:58.44 | kd8ikt | maybe later |
| 20:58.45 | Ainulindale | Not during |
| 20:58.57 | Xaos | I can only vouch for what I saw... |
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| 20:59.09 | Ainulindale | And I can only tell you I have the sources opened right next to me :-) |
| 20:59.13 | Xaos | try editing the file directly and see what happens...you're not going to hurt anything |
| 20:59.23 | Xaos | ;-) |
| 20:59.27 | Ainulindale | 22:57:34 < Ainulindale> It's the same. |
| 20:59.47 | Ainulindale | And reducing the Mic2 level during my call (to myself) did reduce the GSM buzzing |
| 20:59.50 | dtx | I'm about to try it |
| 21:00.03 | Xaos | I understand why it SHOULD be the same...all I can say is that after MANUALLY changing that one file to a three, the person on the other end can now hear me |
| 21:00.28 | rockstar | Dave, are you around? |
| 21:00.34 | dtx | Xaos: very quietly? |
| 21:00.53 | dtx | because when listening to a voice message I leave, I can hear it very quietly |
| 21:00.59 | Ainulindale | Xaos: I agree this is the level to set, but the GSM buzzing is so unbearable |
| 21:00.59 | Xaos | dtx: no...after the change they can hear me like the could hear me on my old phone |
| 21:01.09 | Ainulindale | Xaos: And I think it depends on your signal reception |
| 21:01.24 | Xaos | I'm just offering what I found for others to try. |
| 21:01.48 | dtx | I'm about to try it and we'll see |
| 21:01.56 | dtx | Are you guys running 850 or 900 MHz? |
| 21:01.59 | Xaos | dtx: please let me know your results |
| 21:02.07 | Xaos | dtx: I'm in the US |
| 21:02.12 | dtx | So 850 |
| 21:02.16 | dtx | As am I |
| 21:02.20 | Ainulindale | Xaos: I wasn't telling you it's bad or anything, just it's not "the" fix :-) |
| 21:02.23 | Xaos | but in a major metroplex so I'm probably not actually using 850...right? |
| 21:02.32 | Ainulindale | There's a real issue with gsm buzzing, and it's not a mic problem |
| 21:02.40 | dtx | AT&T is usually 850 |
| 21:02.42 | Ainulindale | If it was, I think we would have had this fix sooner :-) |
| 21:02.42 | Xaos | Ainulindale: agreed...but if it works in the meantime...it's a fix ;-) |
| 21:02.55 | kd8ikt | is 1900 |
| 21:03.00 | Ainulindale | Xaos: try that on somewhere where you have bad reception |
| 21:03.17 | Xaos | how do you check which frequency you're actually using? |
| 21:03.18 | kd8ikt | quick wrap yourself with foil |
| 21:04.21 | mmontour | Xaos: there are some "engineering mode" AT commands that can get this info from the Calypso chipset. Should be described somewhere on the wiki. |
| 21:05.08 | Xaos | ok...I'll check then |
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| 21:06.43 | retracile | Is there a way for the FR to differentiate between a finger press and a stylus press? |
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| 21:08.21 | Stroller | retracile: I don't think so |
| 21:08.37 | Stroller | retracile: I think the screen only reports a single point of contact |
| 21:08.53 | Stroller | retracile: if use a finger it is simply less accurate |
| 21:09.40 | dtx | Xaos: quality is still horrible |
| 21:09.46 | dtx | barely audible |
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| 21:10.18 | dtx | I'm just wondering if all these phones are like that |
| 21:10.19 | Xaos | weird... |
| 21:10.23 | dtx | Or all the 850 |
| 21:10.32 | dtx | are you saying the call was crystal clear for you? |
| 21:10.36 | retracile | Stroller: Hrm. Am I to understand that the kernel driver will only get X,Y coords from the h/w? |
| 21:10.46 | Stroller | yes, AIUI |
| 21:10.58 | retracile | Stroller: bummer. Thanks for the info. |
| 21:11.09 | dtx | I mean the volume was a little better |
| 21:11.10 | Stroller | retracile: I think you need multitouch hardware to get more |
| 21:11.17 | dtx | I could make out what I was saying |
| 21:11.22 | dtx | but it still sounded horrible |
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| 21:11.24 | balrog-kun | there are some heuristics that can be used to distinguish a finger from styus |
| 21:11.35 | zash | Stroller: i think you can get size of the press from some non-multitouch-hardware |
| 21:11.45 | retracile | balrog-kun: any pointers to more info? |
| 21:12.07 | dtx | Xaos: was the sound quality really good for you? |
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| 21:12.20 | Stroller | stands corrected |
| 21:12.23 | Xaos | hang on...just left myself voicemail to check |
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| 21:12.27 | balrog-kun | retracile: i've not seen any info anywhere but i've seen that how it affects the reported pressure |
| 21:12.34 | balrog-kun | how some playing with it |
| 21:12.43 | Xaos | I was talking to the wife earlier and she said it sounded good...but then again...she's the wife |
| 21:12.47 | balrog-kun | s/that// |
| 21:12.55 | dtx | hehe |
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| 21:17.02 | Gnutoo | according to https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-bugs/2007-11/msg00361.html the speed of battle for wesnoth is correct on gta01(but loading takes a very long time) so it should be ok for gta02 |
| 21:17.47 | dtx | Xaos: how was the voice mail quality? |
| 21:18.06 | Gnutoo | what games could we have beside of wesnoth and wormux(that is not in oe yet)? is there any good 2d games? do they need 2d acceleration? |
| 21:18.36 | MadTBone | Gnutoo: stop tempting me with your wesnoth dreams!!!!! |
| 21:18.51 | Gnutoo | MadTBone, lol...why? |
| 21:19.03 | zash | imagine starcraft |
| 21:19.40 | donomo | image a beowulf cluster of freerunners |
| 21:19.53 | MadTBone | Gnutoo: because I need to get things done....not zone out for days on end playing a game on a 2 inch screen |
| 21:20.03 | retracile | donomo: ... should fit in a suitcase. :) |
| 21:20.15 | Gnutoo | MadTBone, ok |
| 21:20.15 | donomo | retracile: one very sexy suitcase. :) |
| 21:20.54 | MadTBone | Gnutoo: buuuttttt....... |
| 21:21.15 | MadTBone | Gnutoo: it would be pretty cool..... |
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| 21:21.42 | Gnutoo | MadTBone, yes...the adapted version of wesnoth is in oe...so(but i don't have a freerunner to test) |
| 21:22.05 | Gnutoo | zash, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratagus |
| 21:22.44 | zash | Gnutoo: oh |
| 21:23.48 | dtx | Is SuperTux in there? |
| 21:24.10 | dtx | I don't see how you could play it though |
| 21:24.13 | dtx | now that I think about it |
| 21:24.23 | Gnutoo | zash, but it's not in oe yet(someone has to do it) |
| 21:24.52 | Gnutoo | dtx, supertux is in oe: files supertux_0.1.2.bb supertux_0.1.3.bb supertux-qvga_0.1.3.bb |
| 21:25.10 | Gnutoo | dtx, with a bluetooth or usb keyboard |
| 21:25.12 | dtx | yeah, but how could you play it anyways |
| 21:25.18 | dtx | yeah |
| 21:25.25 | dtx | defeats the purpose of mobility though |
| 21:25.39 | dtx | why couldn't the screen be multi touch :-( |
| 21:25.54 | Gnutoo | my usb keyboard can go into my big pocket i think |
| 21:26.29 | Stroller | I'm not THAT pleased to see you. It's a usb keyboard |
| 21:26.33 | zash | starcraft is pretty playable with only a mouse ( event with only one button) |
| 21:27.36 | Gnutoo | zash, as said in the wikipedia article there was a port to pocketpc...http://www.pocketgamer.org/showthread.php?threadid=4764 but openmoko isn't pocketpc... |
| 21:28.19 | MadTBone | any info on why 2007.2 breaks sound on resume? |
| 21:28.48 | zash | Gnutoo: but, how hard is it to port to arm? |
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| 21:29.21 | stephelton | anyone who has gotten gps working -- i'm cat'ing /dev/ttySAC1 and keep getting "unknown message*58" as the wiki says. how long should i expect it to take to get a fix? |
| 21:29.51 | Gnutoo | zash, don't think that's a problem...the problem would be if the game is not coded for small screens...we must check |
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| 21:30.06 | mjr | stephelton, grep GPGGA rather than catting and you'll get the more relevant data |
| 21:30.21 | zash | Gnutoo: starcraft runs on vga |
| 21:30.42 | zash | Gnutoo: the dpi thou :/ |
| 21:30.45 | Gnutoo | zash, ok but we must check if stratagus does |
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| 21:32.03 | Gnutoo | zash, i think boswars runs in 640x480 |
| 21:32.29 | doc|work | hmmm |
| 21:32.35 | doc|work | touchscreen liquidwars! |
| 21:33.12 | zash | liquid whatnow? |
| 21:33.43 | zash | apt-gets |
| 21:34.14 | stephelton | mjr: well the wiki explains that those messages go away after a first fix is achieved |
| 21:34.22 | Xaos | ok...how do I call my voicemail from my neo? ACK! |
| 21:34.39 | Xaos | it's always been preprogramed by ATT...never had to worry about it |
| 21:34.52 | Xaos | dtx: sorry for the delay...boss came by to "talk" |
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| 21:34.58 | zash | Xaos: how do you call voicemail from another phone? |
| 21:35.13 | Xaos | I never have...always use speedial #1 |
| 21:35.36 | zash | Xaos: check the settings of the other phone |
| 21:35.58 | mjr | stephelton, I find they don't ;] |
| 21:35.58 | zash | or ask att |
| 21:36.00 | Xaos | I have, but it's not the right number...it actually rings to a person...wierd |
| 21:36.11 | Xaos | I'm digging on att website now |
| 21:37.01 | zash | i think that for me i would call 133 |
| 21:37.14 | zash | (sweden - telia) |
| 21:37.20 | stephelton | mjr: oh really? well my tangogps is saying "no gps found" is that it complaining that it doesn't have useful data, or am i missing something else? |
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| 21:37.51 | Gnutoo | strange boswars doesn't start...i'll investigate |
| 21:38.38 | doc|work | zash: liquidwar :) |
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| 21:39.39 | zash | oh |
| 21:39.40 | zash | cool |
| 21:39.51 | zash | and .. i lost |
| 21:40.37 | MadTBone | stephelton: do you have ssh up and running? |
| 21:40.46 | zash | doc|work: yes, this would be cool |
| 21:40.55 | zash | doc|work: with like bt networking :D |
| 21:41.49 | dtx | Xaos: you just call your own phone number and hit * and then your password to get your voice mail |
| 21:42.34 | doc|work | zash: :) |
| 21:42.39 | Xaos | dtx: problem is I never use the password ;-) |
| 21:42.53 | doc|work | zash: it's pretty cpu intensive though |
| 21:43.01 | Xaos | ok...I'm in...there is a little buzzing/static, but it's not horrible |
| 21:43.03 | MadTBone | stephelton: sorry wrong question.... is gpsd up and running? |
| 21:43.11 | Xaos | and the volume seem acceptable. |
| 21:43.26 | Xaos | definitely not perfect, but doable... |
| 21:43.28 | stephelton | MadTBone: it complains when i try to start it |
| 21:43.35 | Xaos | guess the SIM goes back in my RAZR for a bit though. ;-) |
| 21:44.19 | stephelton | MadTBone: ok its running, i'm gonna go for a walk and see what i get :) thanks |
| 21:44.20 | MadTBone | stephelton: edit /etc/default/gpsd to use the right /dev/ path |
| 21:44.29 | Xaos | ok...next question: is there a reason I cannot install the fbreader package that is for the fic-gta01 onto my FR? |
| 21:44.31 | zash | doc|work: yeah, but i think you can cut some stuff |
| 21:44.35 | Xaos | it's not giving me any love |
| 21:44.41 | zash | doc|work: like the wobbling of everything |
| 21:44.57 | doc|work | yeah |
| 21:45.30 | MadTBone | stephelton: tango needs to talk to gpsd, gpsd (for me) was looking for gps on /dev/ttyS3 .... wrong dev |
| 21:45.44 | dtx | yeah, btw I was talking to my sister when she was using my phone |
| 21:45.48 | dtx | and it sounded pretty good |
| 21:45.52 | dtx | a little quieter than normal |
| 21:45.55 | dtx | but not bad at all |
| 21:46.11 | Xaos | dtx: is that with editing the file or what? |
| 21:46.15 | dtx | yeah |
| 21:46.20 | dtx | after the edited file |
| 21:47.00 | MadTBone | what kind of battery life are people seeing? |
| 21:48.52 | dtx | but when I call and leave a voice message its quiet as hell and super staticy |
| 21:49.09 | dtx | I wonder if thats just AT&T's voicemail compression of a quiet stream |
| 21:49.22 | Xaos | maybe |
| 21:51.13 | dtx | I turned off the wifi to see if that would effect it |
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| 21:52.43 | Xaos | ok...time to head home...catch y'all on Monday! |
| 21:52.49 | dtx | l8r |
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| 21:53.03 | kd8ikt | ok wheres the /proc/brighness control |
| 21:53.07 | rekord | how do you use dfu-util? |
| 21:53.33 | Stroller | rekord: what does the wiki say? |
| 21:53.56 | LionKMP | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart#Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 21:53.56 | rekord | it says 'no matches for dfu-util' |
| 21:54.07 | LionKMP | :) |
| 21:54.18 | rekord | oh, there we go, thanks |
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| 21:54.37 | LionKMP | np, anyway there is a http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util too. |
| 21:55.46 | dtx | Is there some way to apply preamp to my mic signal before going to GSM |
| 21:55.47 | dtx | ? |
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| 21:56.09 | Stroller | That's funny. When I type "dfu-util" into the wiki'\s searcg box & hit go I get "http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util" |
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| 21:57.21 | Stroller | Hmmmn... ok, search is broken. |
| 22:00.19 | dtx | I'm outta here |
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| 22:01.30 | Gnutoo | zash, boswars runs in 640x480(i had to change map because my map was making the game crash) |
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| 22:03.49 | zash | can't compile it |
| 22:04.02 | zash | stratagus |
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| 22:05.36 | zash | dependencies :( |
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| 22:06.57 | Gnutoo | zash, http://stargus.sourceforge.net/features ...it's not complete at 100% |
| 22:07.14 | Gnutoo | zash, ah where does it fail? what dep don't you have? |
| 22:08.00 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: /sys/class/backlight/pcf50633-bl/brightness |
| 22:08.40 | Gnutoo | zash, i'll try to compile it but i do not have the game data... |
| 22:08.41 | stephelton | MadTBone: yes it was /dev/ttySAC1 for me. it tried to "autocenter" me on the west coast of africa earlier... that must be 0,0? |
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| 22:09.07 | MadTBone | stephelton: yep |
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| 22:10.54 | zash | Gnutoo: first it wanted libbzip2 something |
| 22:11.03 | zash | and now lua.h |
| 22:12.21 | Gnutoo | zash, ah ok...you seems to be compiling stratagus... |
| 22:12.31 | Gnutoo | zash, what distro do you have? |
| 22:12.38 | zash | ubuntu |
| 22:12.47 | Kensan_ | Picking up the Ekiga discussion from the community ml: has anybody tried minisip which is in openembedded already? |
| 22:12.59 | Gnutoo | zash, so look if you have stratagus and stratagus-dev packages in ubuntu... |
| 22:13.06 | zash | Gnutoo: i dont |
| 22:13.13 | Gnutoo | zash, ah ok |
| 22:13.23 | zash | or, it could be named something else |
| 22:13.37 | Gnutoo | zash, i'll give you the deps |
| 22:13.56 | Gnutoo | zash, http://pastebin.com/m4c3e19e8 |
| 22:14.36 | Gnutoo | zash, apt-cache search stratagus...i do not have access to my ubuntu machine right now |
| 22:15.03 | zash | apt(itude|-cache) search stratagus gives nothing |
| 22:15.26 | Gnutoo | zash, ok so install the deps and compile it |
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| 22:21.40 | zash | ll |
| 22:22.29 | Stroller | Naming a Wireless Network: http://picasaweb.google.com/rajaram.sethuraman/Misc/photo#5223538206194217490 |
| 22:22.30 | zash | configure: error: could not find lua.h |
| 22:22.38 | Martix | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=stratagus&searchon=names&suite=gutsy§ion=all |
| 22:22.46 | Martix | in Hardy is missing |
| 22:23.32 | Gnutoo | zash, you must also install the -dev package of all the depedencies |
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| 22:24.31 | donomo | is there an open-phone panel of some sort at OSCON? |
| 22:24.34 | zash | yeah, but there is a bunch of lua-related stuff |
| 22:25.30 | Gnutoo | Martix, if he get the gusty source package could he easely recompile it or will the deps change? |
| 22:26.18 | doc|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.55 | donomo | here it is. http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/content/open-mobile-exchange |
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| 22:29.26 | ConfidentiaL | what actually _does_ work on the freerunner atm? |
| 22:32.06 | balrog-kun | moon-buggy |
| 22:34.25 | linuxxr | will a t-mobile go phone sim work in this thing? |
| 22:34.31 | linuxxr | doc |
| 22:34.42 | zash | Gnutoo: it worked to install gutsy packages |
| 22:34.45 | doc|work | me? |
| 22:34.49 | linuxxr | yay |
| 22:35.00 | Gnutoo | zash, ok |
| 22:35.11 | doc|work | linuxxr: I've never once stepped foot inside the united states :) it should do though |
| 22:35.19 | Gnutoo | Zanoi, and the game runs? |
| 22:35.36 | zash | yes |
| 22:35.41 | Gnutoo | s/ Zanoi / /zash |
| 22:36.04 | linuxxr | ok |
| 22:36.11 | linuxxr | sorry to bother |
| 22:37.26 | doc|work | hehe no worries, just saying I'm not the best person to ask :) |
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| 22:38.32 | Gnutoo | zash, wow... |
| 22:38.44 | Gnutoo | will try to sleep now |
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| 22:46.25 | Centaur5 | Is there an easy way to delete all SMS messages under a certain contact? |
| 22:47.10 | Centaur5 | Sorry, I retract that question. I was confused about what some of the icons meant. :) |
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| 22:53.59 | doc|work | wow, price of n800 now down to 299 |
| 22:54.26 | doc|work | s/n800/n810 |
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| 23:07.57 | sparrow | gets his Freerunner via ups! =) |
| 23:11.22 | Infinyt1 | So.. Which Distro is worked on the most/is currently developing quicker? |
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| 23:15.29 | thoughtjigs | hi anyone here? |
| 23:16.01 | fuzzyt | sort of :) |
| 23:16.28 | Infinyt1 | In a way. >_> |
| 23:17.35 | thoughtjigs | I am having a problem with ... I think the battery |
| 23:18.47 | fuzzyt | whats up with it? |
| 23:18.49 | Infinyt1 | Care to elaborate? I prolly won't be able to help, but who knows. :3 |
| 23:19.00 | thoughtjigs | It was working great ... I tried to flash a couple of other images and things worked fine ... |
| 23:19.24 | thoughtjigs | but then I noticed that when the phone was not plugged in to the charger it quit |
| 23:19.43 | thoughtjigs | and I couldn't start it up again unless it was plugged into the charger. |
| 23:20.10 | fuzzyt | have you let the phone fully charge again? |
| 23:20.11 | thoughtjigs | I let it charge for 4-5 hours and still couldn't get it to start up with out the charger plugged in... |
| 23:20.26 | fuzzyt | was the phone off when you charged it? |
| 23:20.48 | thoughtjigs | first time yess |
| 23:21.07 | fuzzyt | I'm pretty sure it needs to be on to charge. Even from the wall adapter. |
| 23:21.26 | Centaur5 | Where do they store the sound file for SMS? |
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| 23:22.29 | thoughtjigs | the last image I flashed failed and I couldn't get it to stay on long enough to flash another ... so now it doesn't boot into anything just the splash screen |
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| 23:23.22 | fuzzyt | thoughtjigs: ouch, and you can't get it into uboot? |
| 23:23.28 | thoughtjigs | when it is plugged into the usb port I can get into the NOR but it shuts down pretty quickly ... even when I press the AUX button |
| 23:24.12 | thoughtjigs | will it charge from uboot? |
| 23:24.37 | fuzzyt | I believe uboot times out and drops power. |
| 23:25.01 | thoughtjigs | I suppose another option is I could put a kernel on the sandisk and boot from that? |
| 23:25.05 | thoughtjigs | but not sure how |
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| 23:25.40 | thoughtjigs | ...I mean the microSD |
| 23:26.08 | mmontour | thoughtjigs: booting from SD-card is possible but difficult to set up at the moment. You're better off re-flashing a new kernel+rootfs to NAND |
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| 23:26.39 | thoughtjigs | I would but I can't get the uboot to stay up long enough when plugged into the USB |
| 23:26.45 | mmontour | If you can get to the u-boot console, set the "boot_menu_timeout" environment variable to a large value. |
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| 23:27.17 | thoughtjigs | I did that already ... I set it to 650000 or some such large number |
| 23:27.35 | thoughtjigs | still shuts down quickly when plugged into the USB |
| 23:27.36 | mmontour | Also, make sure that the USB cable is plugged into a host that can supply 500mA. Try plugging it directly into your PC rather than going through a hub |
| 23:27.54 | thoughtjigs | it is plugged into a laptop USB port |
| 23:28.03 | thoughtjigs | directly |
| 23:28.05 | mmontour | What OS on the laptop? |
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| 23:28.09 | thoughtjigs | ubuntu |
| 23:28.22 | fuzzyt | how about using the charger for the 1000mA? |
| 23:28.27 | thoughtjigs | when it isplugged into the charger uboot stays up a long time |
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| 23:28.48 | thoughtjigs | but doesn't help with flashing :-) |
| 23:29.17 | fuzzyt | mmontour: will a FR charge in uboot? |
| 23:29.29 | thoughtjigs | I don't know? |
| 23:29.33 | thoughtjigs | doesn't seem to |
| 23:30.36 | fuzzyt | thoughtjigs: sounds like the usb isnt giving the 500mA+ that is needed to charge, so the FR only takes 100mA which doesn't fully sustain it. |
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| 23:30.45 | mmontour | Not sure. There were some PMU-related bugfixes to u-boot recently. |
| 23:30.45 | Yasumoto | has anyone else had trouble with libpango while running the toolchain? I'm reading through http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022511.html, but it doesn't seem to be helping micj |
| 23:30.47 | fuzzyt | thoughtjigs: got another computer? |
| 23:31.25 | Yasumoto | *much |
| 23:31.25 | thoughtjigs | yeah I have an XP lying around here somewhere ... try to avoid it though |
| 23:31.42 | fuzzyt | thoughtjigs: cant blame you there. ;) |
| 23:31.47 | mmontour | On the Neo1973 there was a u-boot command to force 500mA charging, but I don't know if it works on the FR. ALso dangerous if the upstream host isn't actually rated to supply 500mA |
| 23:32.15 | thoughtjigs | I have a powered hub ... do you think that would provide 500ma? |
| 23:32.47 | fuzzyt | might, but you should check the specs. |
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| 23:35.23 | mmontour | thoughtjigs: do you have a voltmeter to check the battery voltage directly? Or any Nokia batteries (BL-4C or BL-5C)? |
| 23:35.29 | peeps[work] | we're having a freerunner party in austin right now :-D |
| 23:35.49 | thoughtjigs | yeah I have a bl5c |
| 23:36.43 | mmontour | You can put that in the FR to power it while you flash a new kernel+rootfs |
| 23:37.10 | mjr | a powered hub is a pretty safe bet to provide 500 mA, but of course checking to be sure isn't a bad idea |
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| 23:39.13 | thoughtjigs | genius it worked like a charm |
| 23:39.24 | thoughtjigs | do you if the qtopia image is any good? |
| 23:40.31 | Infinyt1 | Well, I can't get the sound to work on it. |
| 23:40.33 | jtickle | just got USB networking set up, and 'opkg update' is not working |
| 23:40.37 | trix | is there a place where you can view cumulative changes between the daily 2007.2 releases? |
| 23:40.37 | jtickle | it can't seem to find any signatures |
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| 23:40.43 | Infinyt1 | Nor the Wifi, other then that it seems to be the most Stable. |
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| 23:40.58 | Infinyt1 | I'm sure there must be a way to do so though.. |
| 23:41.07 | Infinyt1 | Oh, Qtopia I mean. |
| 23:42.03 | mmontour | The Trolltech qtopia images should give basic phone functionality. Some needed a "ln -s /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios /etc/alsa" for sound to work; don't know if that still applies |
| 23:43.04 | thoughtjigs | Thanks ... I am up and running again ... what image have you liked the best ... I tried the FSO but not much there yet ... I havn't tried tha ASU ... wondering if it is worth the effort? |
| 23:43.08 | Infinyt1 | Hmm, I'll try that. o_O |
| 23:43.32 | doc|work | thoughtjigs: asu's not great |
| 23:43.34 | Infinyt1 | thought: I'd have to say no on ASU. It's mondo glitchy at the moment. |
| 23:43.47 | doc|work | although I didn't have much change to play with it |
| 23:43.51 | doc|work | *chance |
| 23:43.54 | jtickle | oh duh, never mind, read the docs |
| 23:44.25 | carrar | hey should have made a nice looking lanyard for the phone |
| 23:44.35 | thoughtjigs | thanks |
| 23:44.48 | jebba | dah, my freerunners entered the country but they are holding them at the airport customs (argentina). long way to go to pick up the fones and argue with some customs dude. |
| 23:44.49 | thoughtjigs | anybody tried a net10 sim card to see what happens? |
| 23:46.11 | doc|work | jebba: what's to be argued? |
| 23:46.38 | jebba | dunno. but they kept them. |
| 23:47.30 | jebba | i think they may be wondering about the debug board. (?) but that's just speculation. |
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| 23:49.57 | MadTBone | how does one retrieve the local time from the GSM network? |
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| 23:50.55 | simon_cm | Hi, I received my Freerunner today. I am able to receive calls but not to make outgoing calls. I guess something crash when I try to make an outgoing call, since, after that, incoming call aren't going trough until I reboot the phone. Any idea how I could diagnose that problem? |
| 23:51.40 | Pjj | anyone seen this yet? : http://youtube.com/watch?v=NzkdfZAl9wk |
| 23:52.03 | ieatlint | yeah, it says 93 views |
| 23:52.21 | doc|work | Pjj: sweet |
| 23:52.23 | Stroller | simon_cm: did you updafe using opkg ? |
| 23:52.49 | doc|work | weird no mention of gps |
| 23:52.56 | doc|work | in the text summary |
| 23:53.33 | doc|work | man, someone needs to work on the naming :/ |
| 23:53.50 | doc|work | openmoko is the phone? neo has been working on...? |
| 23:53.57 | simon_cm | No, but I flashed 'uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin' and 'Openmoko-Freerunner-20080424-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2' and even tried qtopia-4.3.2-gta02-flash-07172049.tgz |
| 23:54.18 | simon_cm | I'll try to update with opkg... |
| 23:54.37 | Stroller | simon_cm: hmmmn... sounds like you're uptodate |
| 23:55.08 | mmontour | simon_cm: the Trolltech qtopia images don't use opkg |
| 23:55.11 | ieatlint | uh, 4/24 isn't up to date |
| 23:55.26 | Stroller | Oh, sorry |
| 23:55.34 | Stroller | Wasn't paying attention |
| 23:55.37 | simon_cm | mmontour; I tried qtopia first; I am back to 4/24 |
| 23:56.01 | Infinyt1 | 4/24? |
| 23:56.07 | Infinyt1 | Err, latest stable release? |
| 23:56.14 | simon_cm | Yep |
| 23:56.21 | Infinyt1 | Ah, that's what I'm flashing right now |
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| 23:56.35 | Infinyt1 | Went through latest release, then ASU, then QTopia. |
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| 23:56.59 | Infinyt1 | If I can get the Wifi and Browser working I'll be happy |
| 23:56.59 | Infinyt1 | >_> |
| 23:58.07 | Infinyt1 | Anyone know how to change the time on the 4/24? |
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| 23:59.39 | Dave | Yeehaw! |
| 23:59.57 | Stroller | Infinyt1: I'd prolly just use the `date` command |
| 23:59.59 | Infinyt1 | Hai Dave. :3 |
