| 00:00.16 | kd8ikt | its on this host that i'm using irssi+screen on :P |
| 00:00.23 | russellb | yay :) |
| 00:03.02 | russellb | i want to get some nice integration between openmoko and asterisk (starting with an iax client for the moko) ... but it's going slowly |
| 00:03.18 | russellb | lots of other projects dominating my brain bandwidth as of late |
| 00:04.16 | nezza-_- | raster: hi raster.. are you planning to integrate some kind of text entry to edje? |
| 00:05.18 | raster | nezza-_-: not any time soon... not like i have much time to... |
| 00:06.06 | nezza-_- | raster: okay.. than i will have to write one myself. |
| 00:06.19 | johngay | Has anyone considered asking gregkh if he'll write the glamo driver? |
| 00:06.50 | cjb | the glamo X driver? |
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| 00:07.15 | johngay | Yea. He's offered a bounty and will even sign an NDA. |
| 00:07.23 | cjb | He is not an X developer. |
| 00:07.44 | cjb | (He's a kernel developer.) |
| 00:08.01 | balrog-k1n | X has a glamo driver already |
| 00:08.20 | cjb | That too. I think it could be a lot better, though. |
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| 00:08.39 | cjb | (performance tuning, more operations accelerated, etc.) |
| 00:09.00 | SpeedEvil | overclock support. |
| 00:09.49 | raster | there IS a glamo driver |
| 00:09.55 | raster | there IS an accelerated xserver |
| 00:10.06 | raster | and frankly it accelerates aboutas much as most xservers do |
| 00:10.08 | raster | ie not much |
| 00:10.12 | balrog-k1n | i would be happy if it didn't crash after a couple of xrandr invocations, btu otherwise i think it's pretty good |
| 00:10.15 | raster | blits and solid fills |
| 00:10.25 | raster | and xv |
| 00:10.28 | johngay | Would a kernel driver help? |
| 00:10.32 | raster | no |
| 00:10.41 | balrog-k1n | kernel also has glamos drivers |
| 00:10.48 | balrog-k1n | they do comepletely different things though :P |
| 00:11.28 | raster | there are no opengl drviers |
| 00:11.39 | raster | as 1. u need to do opnglES drivers |
| 00:11.49 | raster | or emulatur opengl + glx on top of GLES |
| 00:11.53 | SirBob1701 | so how do you get wifi going without connecting to a desktop? |
| 00:12.00 | raster | GLES has many more limits than normal GL |
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| 00:12.10 | raster | and GL would only be usable at qvga |
| 00:12.11 | raster | not vga |
| 00:12.17 | raster | as it simply vcannot draw at VGa res |
| 00:12.29 | donomo | SirBob1701: im wondering that myself |
| 00:12.29 | raster | so for a regular usage of the device GLis useless as u have to drop res |
| 00:12.46 | raster | so its only useful for specific apps that go fullscreen |
| 00:12.56 | raster | even then it has lots of wonderful limits |
| 00:13.02 | SirBob1701 | donomo: i can't get internet over usb to work so its a pain in the butt cause i'm trying to update all the packages and such arg |
| 00:13.03 | raster | 256x256 max textue size |
| 00:13.04 | balrog-k1n | it would be enough to enable clutter apps to run nicely i think |
| 00:13.06 | raster | no render to texture |
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| 00:13.15 | raster | for starters |
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| 00:13.27 | raster | balrog-k1n: nah. it wouldnt |
| 00:13.30 | balrog-k1n | clutter only needs GLES |
| 00:13.34 | raster | no render-to-texture |
| 00:13.40 | raster | u have no intermediate buffers |
| 00:13.41 | raster | (pbuffers) |
| 00:13.51 | raster | WHICH GLES |
| 00:13.53 | raster | 1.1 |
| 00:13.54 | balrog-k1n | you can render to anywhere in vram |
| 00:13.56 | raster | 2.0? |
| 00:14.18 | balrog-k1n | checking.. |
| 00:14.22 | cjb | johngay: kernel driver would give us an accelerated framebuffer device, which isn't very interesting. |
| 00:14.30 | raster | then u need to create a texture out of that again |
| 00:14.38 | raster | and as best i could see u'd ned to go via the cpu. |
| 00:15.05 | balrog-k1n | GLES 1.1 is enough for clutter |
| 00:15.24 | raster | then i guess u miss the more interesting effects of clutter |
| 00:15.47 | raster | u are still stuck to qvga |
| 00:16.13 | SpeedEvil | cjb: text performance is abysmal though without accellerated blits for scrolling. |
| 00:16.15 | raster | and needing to do ugly txture meshes to make up for 256x256 max tex size |
| 00:16.31 | raster | SpeedEvil: who needs an accelerated kernel fb anyway? |
| 00:16.37 | raster | SpeedEvil: thats what x is for |
| 00:16.39 | raster | :) |
| 00:16.58 | retracile | Hrm. I'm trying to subscribe to the openmoko support list, but the mailman page is giving an error... |
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| 00:18.23 | donomo | thats the open source way of laughing at the idea of support. :) |
| 00:18.40 | retracile | donomo: heh. |
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| 00:23.46 | gmaxwell | raster: Earlier there was someone in here who, for no obvious reason, kept insisting that OM would be dead vs android if it doesn't get good OGL support promptly. "Okay, go code it plz" did not seem to phase him. |
| 00:24.23 | raster | balrog-k1n: according to my glamo docs its gles 1.0, not 1.1, and 1.0->1.1 is a huge change |
| 00:24.43 | tessier | gmaxwell: Free software is surrounded by people like that. Ignore them. |
| 00:24.52 | balrog-k1n | raster: ouch |
| 00:24.55 | Stroller | +1 to what tessier said |
| 00:25.07 | raster | balrog-k1n: i spent some time looking at it |
| 00:25.10 | balrog-k1n | gmaxwell: OGL is part of hw support |
| 00:25.19 | russellb | yep ... i generally tell people they can ask for they money back that they paid for their software :) |
| 00:25.19 | raster | balrog-k1n: the glamo is good for some cutsey simple 3d games .. in qvga |
| 00:25.30 | balrog-k1n | gmaxwell: in linux if one framework codes the hw support, all frameworks can use it |
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| 00:25.39 | balrog-k1n | on a given hardware |
| 00:25.45 | AntonTakk | any docs on adding/removing applications on the asu home screen? |
| 00:25.50 | balrog-k1n | so OGL is not really part of android or opemoko |
| 00:26.20 | raster | balrog-k1n: u want to get serious with "3d" u need more than glamo does.. imho |
| 00:26.23 | Stroller | russellb: but I want to IMPROVE the product by bitching about it! |
| 00:26.26 | raster | its a cute "toy" |
| 00:27.05 | balrog-k1n | raster: glxgears on hardware would make me happy enough :) |
| 00:27.36 | gmaxwell | Stroller, I'd try to write a good essay on "Ideas are cheap, everyone can produce enough to keep the whole rest of the world busy. It's actions that count" ... but part of the problem with the BIGIDEAPEOPLE is that they don't read. |
| 00:27.43 | raster | balrog-k1n: hahahha |
| 00:27.51 | raster | balrog-k1n: the problem is the mountian of work to get there... |
| 00:27.52 | Stroller | lol |
| 00:28.06 | raster | balrog-k1n: and then knowing how much further it goes after that |
| 00:28.10 | raster | i can do glxgears WITHOUT gl |
| 00:28.12 | balrog-k1n | i might have a go at it, even though it's not scratching any personal itch of mine |
| 00:28.13 | SirBob1701 | hmm my wlan is up but its not resolving anything. can someone please help me? |
| 00:28.17 | raster | just draw polygons |
| 00:28.24 | raster | (ie accelerated strip fills) |
| 00:28.28 | raster | thats fast enough |
| 00:28.36 | SirBob1701 | shit its just not resloving the repos |
| 00:28.38 | raster | in fact can do it in software... |
| 00:28.53 | raster | if it wasnt for the bus to glamo slowing that down a lot |
| 00:28.57 | gmaxwell | yea.. glxgears is probably not worth using the glamo on the slow bus for.. |
| 00:29.04 | balrog-k1n | raster: right.. there's nothing a hardware can do that an ARM can't do in software |
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| 00:29.20 | Stroller | SirBob1701: what does /etc/resolve.conf say? |
| 00:29.41 | biovore | hardware implementations are much faster and lower power though.. |
| 00:30.01 | SirBob1701 | Stroller: nameserver 208.67.222.222 nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:30.04 | balrog-k1n | garphics hardware anyway (as opposed to coffee maker hardware eg) |
| 00:30.19 | SpeedEvil | IMO low power doesn't matter. |
| 00:30.23 | SpeedEvil | To a degree. |
| 00:30.28 | Stroller | SirBob1701: so 192.168.1.1 is your wireless gateway? |
| 00:30.30 | biovore | speed matter? |
| 00:30.37 | SpeedEvil | If the user is playing games, they are not going to care about the performance. |
| 00:30.44 | SpeedEvil | battery life I mean |
| 00:30.45 | gmaxwell | biovore, doesn't matter for glxgears.. the glamo would not be faster .. it would be limited by the stupid bus.. |
| 00:31.00 | SirBob1701 | Stroller: its a nameserver i pulled outta my desktops resolv.conf doesn't appear to do anything tho |
| 00:31.01 | biovore | I guess your right |
| 00:31.18 | biovore | sorta limited by the board layout.. |
| 00:31.23 | biovore | and setup |
| 00:31.25 | Stroller | SirBob1701: pastebin ifconfig plz |
| 00:31.35 | balrog-k1n | gmaxwell: wrong, the glxgears doesn't need to transfer anything to vram |
| 00:31.42 | balrog-k1n | it has no textures |
| 00:31.43 | SirBob1701 | Stroller: ok hold on |
| 00:31.52 | trappylappy | i keep getting error 404 on opkg update |
| 00:31.58 | trappylappy | i can ping www.google.com |
| 00:32.00 | gmaxwell | balrog-k1n, it has to write to the frame buffer... or do you not care to see it? :) |
| 00:32.14 | raster | balrog-k1n: well.. u need toi write registers for drawring the triangle points |
| 00:32.18 | raster | but.. its minimal |
| 00:32.21 | raster | the bus wont hurt that |
| 00:32.22 | Stroller | trappylappy: 404 on all files, or just the sigs? |
| 00:32.27 | balrog-k1n | gmaxwell: that doesn't go through that bus |
| 00:32.42 | SirBob1701 | Stroller: http://pastebin.ca/1073919 |
| 00:32.46 | gmaxwell | balrog-k1n, oh, my misunderstanding .. I thought glamo was one armed. |
| 00:32.55 | trappylappy | Stroller, the sigs |
| 00:32.57 | gmaxwell | whats with the qvga limit then? |
| 00:33.10 | Stroller | trappylappy: everyone gets that. Ignore it |
| 00:33.18 | balrog-k1n | as for power usage... you're already screwed by the modem, so anything you do on the cpu doesn't matter as much as on devices with no modem |
| 00:33.21 | balrog-k1n | like palmots |
| 00:33.22 | balrog-k1n | palmtops |
| 00:33.37 | trappylappy | Stroller, well it goes back to the prompt then, does that mean I'm updated? |
| 00:33.47 | Stroller | SirBob1701: is that from the Freerunner? |
| 00:33.50 | SirBob1701 | yup |
| 00:34.38 | SirBob1701 | Stroller: ya |
| 00:34.47 | Stroller | trappylappy: it means your package database is updated. Now run `opkg upgrade` |
| 00:35.12 | SirBob1701 | Stroller: i also can't scp anything to the freerunner. think that might have anything to do with it? |
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| 00:35.18 | Stroller | trappylappy: you may wish to run `screen` first, to avoid getting problems when ssh is updated |
| 00:35.43 | trappylappy | Stroller, so I just type "screen"? |
| 00:35.46 | Stroller | So wifi is eth0 on the freerunner? |
| 00:35.47 | gmaxwell | balrog-k1n, welll.. people can turn off the modem.. consider usage on an long flight |
| 00:35.48 | raster | gmaxwell: the max 3d buffer size for the glamo is 511x511 |
| 00:35.58 | raster | gmaxwell: thus it cant do vga (640x480) |
| 00:36.04 | raster | as max in any dimension is 511 |
| 00:36.08 | Stroller | trappylappy: yeah. Can be a bit moody. wait for a minute after typing it |
| 00:36.21 | raster | so u end up dropping down to the next resolution down the stack (that fits nicely on the lcd) |
| 00:36.25 | raster | thats qvga |
| 00:36.45 | trappylappy | Stroller, ok, thanks |
| 00:37.06 | SirBob1701 | Stroller: According to what i read in teh wiki it is eth0 |
| 00:37.06 | SpeedEvil | raster: can you put 511*480 on the top of the screen, with a 128 pixel status/weapons/...bar? |
| 00:37.22 | SpeedEvil | ( in principle - games at 640*480 are insane on 285dpi) |
| 00:37.24 | gmaxwell | raster, ahh.. could it output a 511x480px wide 3d area and leave the rest of the screen for something boring like a keyboard or status bar? |
| 00:37.31 | raster | SpeedEvil: as bst i can tell. no |
| 00:37.32 | balrog-k1n | raster: wasn't the 512x512 a limitation for textures only? |
| 00:37.36 | SirBob1701 | Stroller: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN or am i completely retarted and should be using eth1? |
| 00:37.38 | raster | the 511 will take over the screen |
| 00:37.48 | Dave | :] |
| 00:37.56 | Dave | hostile takeover! |
| 00:37.59 | raster | balrog-k1n: no. txtures are 256x256 |
| 00:38.16 | Stroller | SirBob1701: no, that loojks right |
| 00:38.17 | raster | balrog-k1n: OUTPUT buffer for 3d - where u draw. with zbuffer etc. 511x511 |
| 00:38.35 | Stroller | SirBob1701: so can you ping 206.190.60.37 ? |
| 00:38.41 | balrog-k1n | SpeedEvil: i think you can, you can render to anywhere in the vram, then just blit the Nx480 rectangle that you're interested in to the screen |
| 00:38.49 | Dave | nameserver nameserver namesercver |
| 00:39.00 | raster | 0x1b00->0x2170 in glamo register space are the 3d registers |
| 00:39.06 | raster | a nice big fat wad of them |
| 00:39.09 | raster | and not well documented |
| 00:39.19 | gmaxwell | hm well 511x480 would cover 4/5 of the screen |
| 00:39.19 | raster | basically named with sparse info |
| 00:39.52 | nezza-_- | gmaxwell: yeah.. you could use the rest for some status information ;) |
| 00:40.03 | SirBob1701 | Stroller: just been sitting there doing nothing |
| 00:40.08 | Stroller | Ok |
| 00:40.12 | balrog-k1n | gmaxwell: perfect, it leaves the (640-511 px) x 480px strip for the FPS-meter |
| 00:40.13 | balrog-k1n | ;) |
| 00:40.18 | balrog-k1n | in glxgears |
| 00:40.19 | raster | balrog-k1n: from what smedia told m when 3d is active it takes over the output. |
| 00:40.24 | Stroller | So what does `route` say as default gateway, SirBob1701 ? |
| 00:40.30 | gmaxwell | nezza-_-, the keyboard I can't get to go away in minimo. :) |
| 00:40.41 | SirBob1701 | in interfaces? |
| 00:40.41 | balrog-k1n | raster: oh, no more 2d framebuffer? |
| 00:40.44 | raster | ie the buffer swapping and 3d etc. is all handled by the 3d subsystem |
| 00:40.52 | SirBob1701 | Stroller: on the phone on interfaces? |
| 00:40.54 | raster | balrog-k1n: thats as it was explained to me |
| 00:40.55 | gmaxwell | STUPID! |
| 00:40.56 | raster | or seemed to be |
| 00:41.21 | Stroller | SirBob1701: on the phone |
| 00:41.24 | nezza-_- | gmaxwell: i tried to use a bluetooth keyboard with the standard openmoko iamge.. i thought "WHAT THE FUCK".. who is writing such crapy software? |
| 00:41.58 | balrog-k1n | raster: there's probably some magic to switch to that mode that i missed then, when i tried to get a triangle out to the screen |
| 00:42.06 | nezza-_- | gmaxwell: you know this thing.. if you press a twice it gets a b -_- |
| 00:42.17 | gmaxwell | nezza-_-, eh, I was aware that bluetooth input wasn't working atm.. Did you get it working? |
| 00:42.24 | balrog-k1n | raster: the 3d engine basically responded ok but nothing made its way to the lcd |
| 00:42.40 | gmaxwell | nezza-_-, Obviously, written by someone without a bluetooth keyboard. ;) |
| 00:42.44 | nezza-_- | gmaxwell: aeh.. sure ;) |
| 00:42.58 | SirBob1701 | Stroller: http://pastebin.ca/1073926 |
| 00:42.59 | nezza-_- | gmaxwell: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Frogpad |
| 00:43.57 | gmaxwell | is frogpad chorded? thats kinda cute. |
| 00:44.01 | raster | balrog-k1n: there must be. somewhere. |
| 00:44.07 | nezza-_- | gmaxwell: no it isn't |
| 00:44.14 | nezza-_- | gmaxwell: there is one which is corded |
| 00:44.17 | gmaxwell | doesn't look like it would be very well adapted to EMACS, however. |
| 00:44.26 | nezza-_- | gmaxwell: the cordless is noramlly called ifrog ;) but i just call it frogpad |
| 00:44.34 | raster | bal he problem is the registers are nigh undocumnted |
| 00:44.35 | Stroller | SirBob1701: right - that's the problem, I think. You have the two default entries. You need only the 192.168.1.1 entry |
| 00:44.44 | SirBob1701 | ok |
| 00:45.16 | gmaxwell | hehe I wanted to know if it was chorded, not corded. ;) Corded would have been my next question. Do you hold down multiple keys at once to type? |
| 00:45.23 | raster | well scantily |
| 00:45.29 | nezza-_- | gmaxwell: yes ;) |
| 00:46.03 | nezza-_- | gmaxwell: the black letters are written by just typing them.. the green ones are written by pressing 2 buttons at the same time |
| 00:46.08 | nezza-_- | gmaxwell: pretty easy |
| 00:46.38 | SirBob1701 | Stroller: when i do a networking restart i get this though Reconfiguring network interfaces... usb0 no wireless extensions. |
| 00:46.45 | SirBob1701 | Stroller: does that mean anythign? |
| 00:46.55 | Stroller | No idea |
| 00:47.07 | Stroller | But usb0 _doesn't_ have any wireless extensions |
| 00:47.11 | Stroller | So it's right |
| 00:47.16 | nezza-_- | SirBob1701: your problem is taht you cant get dns working? |
| 00:47.23 | raster | balrog-k1n: did u try and set the address to the be the normal 2d frontbuffer address? |
| 00:47.53 | SirBob1701 | nezza-_-: ya. and i'm actually confused wehter the things trying to go over usb internet or my wifi cuase i think i set wep up correctly |
| 00:48.23 | Stroller | nezza-_-: he can't ping yahoo by IP, either |
| 00:48.45 | Stroller | nezza-_-: if you look at his last pastebin he has two default routes set |
| 00:48.51 | nezza-_- | Stroller: okay.. cause i had the same problem with dns.. but if he cant ping anything its an other thing ;) |
| 00:49.35 | SirBob1701 | Stroller: nezza-_- think i should just try dling an image and flashing it? lol |
| 00:50.03 | balrog-k1n | raster: not really, iirc i found no register that takes an pointer value for anything in the 3d eng space |
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| 00:50.20 | raster | they do |
| 00:50.26 | nezza-_- | SirBob1701: no.. it was an other problem. |
| 00:51.02 | SirBob1701 | nezza-_-: ok. thinking what i should do |
| 00:51.12 | Dave | -_- |
| 00:52.07 | raster | balrog-k1n: EGZBAS |
| 00:52.13 | raster | (zbuffer base address) |
| 00:52.21 | SirBob1701 | nezza-_-: it has to either be my /etc/network/interfaces or my wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 00:52.45 | raster | and EGDST0BAS |
| 00:52.49 | raster | for color data |
| 00:53.18 | balrog-k1n | raster: i'll grep for these, thanks |
| 00:53.34 | raster | iu can set pitch |
| 00:53.39 | raster | but i dont see where to set height |
| 00:53.41 | balrog-k1n | raster: i'm probably missing a whole chunk of the memory map :p as i only have the coe and not any docs |
| 00:53.51 | raster | nless u are meant to use clipping rects for that... |
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| 00:56.23 | Marcel_M | SirBob1701: you could try route add -host 192.168.0.200 usb0 and route del default gw 192.168.0.202 |
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| 00:58.15 | SirBob1701 | Marcel_M: sites are resolving. getting four 404s on sigs but i think thats normal so thanks? :D |
| 00:58.38 | Marcel_M | SirBob1701: great! |
| 00:59.03 | zion | is this the place to ask for g_ether problems on my laptop? |
| 00:59.11 | SirBob1701 | before i go before i hit this issue i was able to isntall tango gps but it was unclickable in my menu list why would that be? |
| 00:59.15 | zion | keep getting No device on modprobe g_ether |
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| 01:02.55 | SirBob1701 | also scp doesn't work worth a dang lol |
| 01:03.03 | Dave | you broke it? |
| 01:04.05 | zion | where is the appropriate place for a newb to get help? |
| 01:04.33 | Dave | Here |
| 01:04.34 | Stroller | zion: prolly the forum or mailing list for your distro |
| 01:04.39 | Dave | or the wiki |
| 01:04.49 | Stroller | What does dmesg say after you plug the Freerunner in? |
| 01:04.51 | Dave | probably the Getting_Started_with_your_Freerunner page |
| 01:05.57 | zion | dmesg doesn't mention the device by name. just says it found a new full speed device |
| 01:06.22 | zion | home pc it listed the name in dmesg... but i still had the same error |
| 01:06.45 | Stroller | So don't see: usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:07.2-1, CDC Ethernet Device, ee:8e:94:93:61:96 |
| 01:06.48 | Stroller | ? |
| 01:06.56 | zion | nope |
| 01:07.34 | Stroller | And, zion, when someone's trying to help you and they ask "what does it say?" you need to paste what it ACTUALLY SAYS. Use a pastebin service if it's more than one line |
| 01:07.51 | zion | k... didn't want to flood the channel |
| 01:07.57 | Stroller | Right, zion, so what distro are you using? |
| 01:08.04 | zion | gentoo |
| 01:08.05 | Stroller | Use a pastebin service if it's more than one line |
| 01:08.08 | Stroller | Ah |
| 01:08.23 | zion | just a sec... will paste it in pastebin |
| 01:09.14 | zion | http://pastebin.com/d66de6033 |
| 01:09.22 | zion | thats the relevant dmesg |
| 01:10.06 | tessier | Some channels say no pasting, not even one line. So I have to manually type in my pastebin url. :| |
| 01:10.09 | tessier | snickers |
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| 01:10.57 | zion | my n810 and camera work fine, though those are just usb storage devices |
| 01:11.57 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 01:12.02 | Stroller | zion: http://pastebin.com/m562c0046 |
| 01:12.19 | SpeedEvil | My neo just put all the lights in the room out, and took down my server. |
| 01:12.30 | zion | ok... i need a thwap.. cdc_ether is not enabled in the kernel |
| 01:12.36 | Stroller | zion: :P |
| 01:12.37 | SpeedEvil | notes down never to put neo on top of power button when trying to get GPS signal. |
| 01:13.10 | tessier | SpeedEvil: My TTFS is much better when it is actually turned on. |
| 01:13.13 | tessier | TTFF |
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| 01:13.48 | SpeedEvil | tessier: oops. |
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| 01:14.18 | kelvie_work | is there a gui interface for opkg? |
| 01:15.38 | zion | I am also on the hunt for a workign sim card. |
| 01:15.57 | SpeedEvil | zion: soon to be a major motion picture! |
| 01:16.11 | SpeedEvil | zion: can you do a russian accent though? |
| 01:16.25 | Stroller | Up periscope! |
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| 01:16.38 | tessier | kelvie_work: No |
| 01:16.44 | Stroller | Vodafone at 2 o'clock, captain |
| 01:16.59 | kelvie_work | tessier: ah |
| 01:16.59 | SpeedEvil | One ping only! |
| 01:17.01 | zion | so the ebay dance is the best bet for one? |
| 01:17.03 | Stroller | In America I will have a station wagon. I have always wanted a station wagon. |
| 01:17.12 | tessier | zion: Best bet for one what? |
| 01:17.21 | tessier | Some things in here don't react well to bullets. |
| 01:18.04 | tessier | Stroller: And a round American wife. Will you have one of those too? God knows they're everywhere. |
| 01:18.43 | Stroller | Hmmm.... would rather a skinny Russian wife, myself |
| 01:18.57 | Stroller | zion: what country are you in? |
| 01:18.57 | tessier | You can raise rabbits. And she can cook them for you. |
| 01:19.01 | Stroller | Nooo! |
| 01:19.04 | Stroller | Not my bunnies! |
| 01:19.04 | SpeedEvil | Stroller: you're not going all Reiser on us are you? |
| 01:19.12 | Stroller | lolololkloololol |
| 01:19.27 | Stroller | He should've appealed |
| 01:19.28 | Dave | o.O |
| 01:19.48 | SpeedEvil | Stroller: well - ... Taking them to where the corpse is buried weakens your grounds for later appeal. |
| 01:20.09 | Stroller | Exactly! |
| 01:20.12 | SpeedEvil | I'm pretty sure of this, though I'm not a lawyer. |
| 01:20.24 | ieatlint | reiser was an idiot at murder :P |
| 01:20.40 | Stroller | Should've held his bottle, IMO. |
| 01:20.42 | ieatlint | honestly, who's going to believe you took out your passenger seat so you could take naps? |
| 01:20.58 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: well... he did have damaged feet. |
| 01:21.13 | ieatlint | plus i don't believe he strangled her as he claimed |
| 01:21.15 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: but that is kind of weak. |
| 01:21.27 | ieatlint | there isn't much blood to clean up when you strangle someone |
| 01:21.47 | SpeedEvil | notes ieatlint's done it before. |
| 01:21.52 | SpeedEvil | Who was she? |
| 01:22.03 | ieatlint | who said it was a she? |
| 01:22.07 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 01:22.09 | ieatlint | it puts the lotion on its skin.. |
| 01:22.31 | SpeedEvil | has killed before. |
| 01:22.35 | SpeedEvil | But only chickens. |
| 01:22.45 | Dave | and hard disks |
| 01:22.54 | ieatlint | i've had to kill about half a dozen mice in the past 3 months :( |
| 01:22.59 | ieatlint | poor little guys |
| 01:23.02 | SpeedEvil | Oh - I wasn't counting the mice. |
| 01:23.09 | SpeedEvil | I try to catch them humanely if I can. |
| 01:23.18 | SpeedEvil | The cats enjoy them much more that way. |
| 01:23.20 | ieatlint | we tried... ended up using glue traps |
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| 01:23.32 | ieatlint | and then i'd drown them |
| 01:23.36 | thewtex_ | lol |
| 01:23.51 | SpeedEvil | ponders an openmoko mousetrap. |
| 01:24.17 | Dave | :o |
| 01:24.56 | ieatlint | i hate killing small furry animals... |
| 01:25.00 | ieatlint | i much prefer humans |
| 01:25.06 | Dave | :O |
| 01:25.48 | thewtex_ | reiser is in jail so he can't be on the mousetrap-dev team |
| 01:26.10 | rivalarrival | I like to crucify mice in their natural environment. Serves as a warning to the rest of them. |
| 01:26.11 | Stroller | lolol |
| 01:26.27 | Dave | he can't? |
| 01:26.28 | Stroller | I'm sure I'll NEVER get bored of Hans Reiser jokes |
| 01:26.33 | ieatlint | reiser isn't far from here |
| 01:26.34 | Dave | was that one of the stipulations of his conviction? |
| 01:26.41 | Dave | no more development? |
| 01:26.50 | Dave | or was he simply banned from fs dev? :D |
| 01:27.00 | ieatlint | i disliked reiserfs anyway :P |
| 01:27.03 | thewtex_ | must be driving him nuts |
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| 01:27.59 | Dave | BANANAS |
| 01:28.02 | SpeedEvil | Hey - free support! |
| 01:28.06 | Dave | haw |
| 01:28.21 | SpeedEvil | There aren't many FS devs you know where they are, and can visit for questions. |
| 01:28.37 | ieatlint | lol |
| 01:28.52 | ieatlint | yeah, i should go over with my laptop "i'm getting fs errors, can you help?" |
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| 01:32.38 | Mokon00b | neone here able to help a n00b with a brand new freerunner... trying to get wifi working |
| 01:32.41 | trappylappy | matchbox keyboard's 0 key isn't working |
| 01:32.45 | trappylappy | i can't get any zeros! |
| 01:32.51 | balrog-k1n | and then |
| 01:32.59 | balrog-k1n | "this program killed^H^H^H^Hoverwrote my fs" |
| 01:33.50 | zion | back. |
| 01:33.58 | zion | just got in via ssh to my phone over usb |
| 01:34.06 | zion | does a dance of rejoicing |
| 01:34.36 | zion | Stroller: I am in the US |
| 01:35.34 | Stroller | AH, ok. I don't know anything about buying SIMs there |
| 01:35.37 | tessier | matchbox keyboard is so incredibly small. |
| 01:35.40 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4532 10/trunk/src/host/opkg-utils/: opkg-utils: add the directory of opkg-utils |
| 01:35.50 | Stroller | You can't just go into a store & buy a PAYG SIM? |
| 01:37.44 | tessier | Stroller: Often not. :( |
| 01:37.51 | tessier | Stroller: Everyone wants to get you on a contract. |
| 01:38.06 | tessier | I did once go into an AT&T store and get a pay as you go SIM for a friend visiting from abroad though. |
| 01:38.19 | tessier | So check with AT&T |
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| 01:38.35 | Stroller | They give PAYG SIMS away free here |
| 01:38.47 | Mokon00b | any suggestion or links to getting wifi working? |
| 01:39.01 | trappylappy | i can't ssh into my neo on usb! |
| 01:39.33 | trappylappy | after opkg upgrade |
| 01:41.28 | zion | I have one the broken sims with my current cell |
| 01:42.03 | zion | so is the broken issue caused by drm that the TI firmware can't handle? (recall reading that in some bug report) |
| 01:42.34 | tessier | Mokon00b: Check the wiki |
| 01:42.50 | tessier | Mokon00b: I got wifi working easily with an open AP. It doesn't work with WEP or WPA though. |
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| 01:44.52 | SirBob1701 | so when i try to transfer file over via scp and the connection is refused what can i do so that it isn't refused? |
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| 01:45.11 | Stroller | Can you ssh in still? |
| 01:45.16 | trappylappy | i can't connect via USB, can someone help? |
| 01:45.16 | SirBob1701 | yup |
| 01:45.29 | Stroller | Sounds like you just got the scp syntax wrong |
| 01:45.42 | SirBob1701 | Stroller: i'm pulling the syntax off the wiki |
| 01:45.54 | Stroller | I lost that link, SirBob1701 |
| 01:46.06 | Mokon00b | tessier ahh that my prob i was trying with wep |
| 01:46.11 | SirBob1701 | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/gpsd_2.34-r9_armv4t.ipk scroll down to the section about mimo |
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| 01:47.04 | Mokon00b | another quick question.. is there a way to open sms messages? I only see the first line of message |
| 01:47.10 | trappylappy | i was able to ssh via usb until I did the opkg upgrade and then reboot |
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| 01:47.34 | Stroller | trappylappy: so start again the setup from scratch |
| 01:47.49 | Stroller | can you ping it &c? |
| 01:48.07 | trappylappy | doesn't ping |
| 01:48.09 | Stroller | stop whining and work on getting information about what the problem is |
| 01:48.21 | sandman__ | what is the entry I put in opkg.conf to get to a point somewhere else for the package list? |
| 01:48.23 | Stroller | so does usb0 show on your laptop? |
| 01:48.25 | trappylappy | Stroller, you don't have to be an ass, I'm asking for help |
| 01:48.27 | ieatlint | haha... i just found out what my girlfriend got me for my birthday... a soldering iron |
| 01:48.28 | Stroller | in ifconfig |
| 01:48.37 | Stroller | trappylappy: no, you're whining for help |
| 01:48.44 | trappylappy | Stroller, usb0 does show up |
| 01:49.06 | trappylappy | Stroller, there's a difference between not knowing what to do and whining |
| 01:49.10 | SirBob1701 | how do i find open ports without iptables? lol |
| 01:49.35 | Stroller | trappylappy: so does usb0 still have an IP address on the laptop? |
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| 01:49.56 | trappylappy | Stroller, no |
| 01:50.01 | Stroller | trappylappy: have you tried oping terminal on the Freerunner and running `ifconfig` there? |
| 01:50.14 | swc|666 | travellappy - do the upgrade from the phone terminal |
| 01:50.25 | trappylappy | Stroller, yeah, ifconfig on the Freerunner gives me usb0 with 192.168.0.200 |
| 01:50.39 | Stroller | trappylappy: right. So go back to the "getting started" webpage and give it an IP address |
| 01:50.53 | Stroller | trappylappy: that's unusual. By default it's 202 on the FR |
| 01:51.03 | trappylappy | sorry, I meant 202 |
| 01:51.26 | Stroller | trappylappy: right. So go back to the "getting started" webpage and give usb0 on the laptop an IP address |
| 01:51.43 | trappylappy | Stroller, ok, thanks |
| 01:51.50 | Stroller | SirBob1701: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:52.55 | SirBob1701 | Stroller: trying to install minimo and the single touch keyboard on the free runner. They are not in repos so the instrcutions say to scp the .ipk s to the freerunner but its denying my connection |
| 01:54.02 | Stroller | SirBob1701: if you can ssh in you should be able to ssh in |
| 01:54.28 | Stroller | When you gave the link before I think you gave the wrong one |
| 01:54.49 | SirBob1701 | Stroller: tell me about it. thats why i'm confused..ooo wait its cause instructions say to use the name openmoko but i ssh in via the ip. never put it in my etc/hosts lol |
| 01:54.55 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | Ubuntu can SFtp the Neo and i assume the FR, its under network connections. I like it |
| 01:55.48 | AntonTakk | is there a way to mass download map tiles for diversity? |
| 01:59.49 | SirBob1701 | man everytime i run opkg update opkg upgrade there are a crapload of updates. and i only got it a week after release lol |
| 02:00.23 | SpeedEvil | AntonTakk: diversity? |
| 02:00.44 | AntonTakk | SpeedEvil: the mapping app on ASU |
| 02:00.50 | SpeedEvil | Ah - not seen it. |
| 02:01.01 | AntonTakk | SpeedEvil: ASU is the only image that will make/receive calls/sms for me |
| 02:01.20 | SpeedEvil | AntonTakk: does diversity use OSN? |
| 02:01.26 | AntonTakk | ah, well, if i remember correctly, the map tiles can be pre-downloaded for tangogps, right? |
| 02:01.31 | AntonTakk | osn? |
| 02:01.36 | SpeedEvil | OSM |
| 02:01.42 | AntonTakk | no idea |
| 02:01.45 | ieatlint | yes |
| 02:01.55 | SpeedEvil | AntonTakk: yes, tangogps can do that. |
| 02:01.56 | ieatlint | the maps are identical between diversity and tangogps |
| 02:02.17 | AntonTakk | cept the tangogps ui seems quicker :) |
| 02:02.21 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: I thought diversity was still dumb? |
| 02:02.25 | SpeedEvil | I have no idea if diversity has the same issue. |
| 02:02.34 | SpeedEvil | ability |
| 02:02.48 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | right click and select Zoom level for DL, thats all I know |
| 02:03.12 | AntonTakk | SirBob1701: nope, i have used it to get fixes three times today |
| 02:03.20 | SpeedEvil | That's touch with your right hand? :) |
| 02:03.31 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | oops lol, I have it on my laptop too |
| 02:03.43 | SpeedEvil | (which would be really cool) |
| 02:03.52 | SpeedEvil | (per-finger touches) |
| 02:04.36 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | yup, I still use the GPS from my Neo, it gets a fix pretty fast |
| 02:04.52 | swc|666 | i get a fix in 49 secs |
| 02:05.18 | swc|666 | but my sim doesnt work :/ |
| 02:05.47 | Mokon00b | hmm im missig something here.. wireless is configured as per wiki and still no connection |
| 02:05.48 | SpeedEvil | sets that to country music. |
| 02:06.05 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | my SIM works, but not the GSM radio (in my area) |
| 02:06.16 | SirBob1701 | Mokon00b: wep or wpa? |
| 02:07.09 | AntonTakk | should be safe to install gpsd/tangogps on ASU, right? |
| 02:07.12 | Mokon00b | took off encryption 4 now |
| 02:07.20 | Mokon00b | so open |
| 02:07.42 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: from what i've read yes |
| 02:07.47 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: if it works let me know lol |
| 02:07.54 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | Mokon00b: eh just use Mac filtering lol |
| 02:08.01 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: Does asu have reliable sms? |
| 02:08.23 | AntonTakk | SirBob1701: happen to know where I need to put .desktop files to have the app appear on asu's home screen? |
| 02:08.35 | AntonTakk | SirBob1701: seems to from what i have seen |
| 02:08.38 | Mokon00b | heh.. no im testing on neighbours wifi |
| 02:08.59 | Mokon00b | am able to connect wiht my lappy so i know it is open |
| 02:09.05 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | yes "Testing" jk |
| 02:09.56 | SirBob1701 | AntonTakk: no sorry i thought it was suppose to just appear with an x restart |
| 02:10.16 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | OM needs locate |
| 02:10.18 | AntonTakk | hrm, xrestart, let me try |
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| 02:11.05 | AntonTakk | nope, didn't do it |
| 02:11.30 | SirBob1701 | hmm |
| 02:11.50 | AntonTakk | runs a find / -name assassin.desktop :) |
| 02:12.02 | Mokon00b | are there any forums or anything other than wiki where I might be able to find info or other peeps with wifi probs? |
| 02:12.14 | SirBob1701 | :D |
| 02:12.35 | SirBob1701 | i think i still have wifi probs so if you do let me know Mokon00b |
| 02:13.34 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | see if monitor mode existed we could test these things |
| 02:13.43 | sontek | Mokon00b: have you flashed it with the latest kernel/image? |
| 02:13.49 | sontek | I had wifi issues until I updated |
| 02:14.00 | Mokon00b | nope |
| 02:14.08 | Mokon00b | didnt want to just yet |
| 02:14.16 | Mokon00b | just got it today |
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| 02:16.12 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | any good minimalistic images with X11? |
| 02:17.37 | macdonalder | doc|home: you've got them? :D |
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| 02:27.59 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | i just spent 10 minutes trying to fix my ssh with ifconfig usb0 up <---no ip DUH |
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| 02:32.28 | chillywilly | hola |
| 02:32.44 | chillywilly | anyone try the qtopia.net image? |
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| 02:32.59 | Chox | you lot |
| 02:33.03 | chillywilly | anyone try the qtopia.net image? |
| 02:33.08 | chillywilly | doh |
| 02:33.08 | rivalarrival | yo, chox. |
| 02:33.35 | chillywilly | are there any other SMS apps? |
| 02:33.43 | Chox | opkg list | grep -i sms |
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| 02:34.01 | chillywilly | cause the one in the image leaves a bit to be desired |
| 02:34.24 | iowaboy | i'm running opkg update over wifi and everything errors. Not just the sigs, but everything. I can ping openmoko.org just fine though, any ideas? |
| 02:34.44 | Stroller | That's whacky |
| 02:34.53 | iowaboy | yeah, it is |
| 02:34.57 | Stroller | http://www.wellingtongrey.net/miscellanea/archive/2008-03-31-the-trouble-with-tech-support.html |
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| 02:35.09 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | signature checks are normal, and a couple 404's a the end too |
| 02:35.14 | Stroller | (link completely unrelated) |
| 02:35.25 | iowaboy | Stroller, haha, i was wondering |
| 02:35.29 | Chox | hm, Emdebian making progress. |
| 02:35.37 | Chox | that's a better choice than full Debian for FR |
| 02:35.42 | Chox | not as fat |
| 02:35.51 | chillywilly | any multi-media message apps? |
| 02:36.20 | chillywilly | wonder why usb0 does not auto config for me even though I have /etc/network/interfaces setup correctly |
| 02:36.27 | chillywilly | bet it has to do with network manager |
| 02:36.29 | Stroller | iowaboy: so what does ` opkg upgrade` do? |
| 02:36.38 | iowaboy | let me see |
| 02:36.43 | chillywilly | my battery died at the end of the day today when I had the phone at work :-/. |
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| 02:37.08 | Chox | for some reason, people are super impressed by my phone, even before they know what it can do |
| 02:37.17 | Chox | it's very strange. maybe cos it looks odd |
| 02:37.22 | chillywilly | unreadable nagios pages via SMS |
| 02:37.26 | AntonTakk | clear |
| 02:37.27 | chillywilly | *joy* ;P |
| 02:37.28 | AntonTakk | oops |
| 02:37.45 | Chox | I'm getting opkg update errors too. |
| 02:37.53 | Chox | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.56 | Chox | oh, wait |
| 02:38.01 | iowaboy | Stroller, Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 But that file is already provided by package * libncurses5 |
| 02:38.14 | Chox | forgot to change DNS from work to home |
| 02:38.28 | Chox | iowaboy: opkg remove ncurses |
| 02:38.32 | chillywilly | I just get sig check failures |
| 02:38.32 | Stroller | iowaboy: hmmmmn.... I only got that after ` opkg update` was successful |
| 02:38.39 | Chox | sig check failures you can ignore |
| 02:38.44 | Stroller | iowaboy: that one's in Trac, BTW |
| 02:38.51 | chillywilly | 404 on Packages.sig |
| 02:38.51 | SpeedEvil | Chox: the impressiveness is due to the mind control unit. It's hooked to the third secret USB bus. |
| 02:39.01 | Chox | SpeedEvil: ah yes, forgot about that one. |
| 02:39.05 | daMaestro | gah |
| 02:39.18 | daMaestro | anyone know why FIC shipped with "must be signed for"? |
| 02:39.20 | Chox | didn't answer any questions about price today. but I let an 8 year old use it on the train |
| 02:39.25 | iowaboy | Stroller, ah |
| 02:39.31 | Stroller | Chox: people are super impressed by your phone? Do you hang around with a lot of Linux geeks? |
| 02:39.31 | Chox | Daviey: cos it's expensive. |
| 02:39.33 | SpeedEvil | daMaestro: because otherwise it gets stolen? |
| 02:39.36 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | fraud probably |
| 02:39.40 | Chox | Stroller: these are non-Linux people |
| 02:39.49 | daMaestro | yeah, still gah |
| 02:39.53 | Chox | er, daMaestro |
| 02:40.00 | chillywilly | tries running 'opkg upgrade' |
| 02:40.17 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | hell if I ordered it and it was just lying on my porch when I got home..... |
| 02:40.20 | Chox | I need to reflash with default image, then do tutorial for opkg ugprade |
| 02:40.28 | Stroller | Oh! Cool! Balck! Amazing! WTF?!?!? You have to install a web-browser using DOS? |
| 02:40.31 | Chox | KrisAbsinthe_Mob: aye, $4000 work of fones :p |
| 02:40.32 | iowaboy | Chox: it says removing ncurses might cease a bunch of dependencies |
| 02:40.32 | rtm | Hey iowaboy - what part of Iowa? |
| 02:40.33 | chillywilly | anyone try qtopia.net at all? |
| 02:40.40 | iowaboy | rtm, ISU |
| 02:40.46 | iowaboy | rtm, you? |
| 02:40.48 | Chox | chillywilly: no, why bother? |
| 02:40.59 | Chox | chillywilly: just use the OM qtopia images |
| 02:41.02 | rtm | Des Moines |
| 02:41.05 | chillywilly | Chox: cause maybe the apps will be better and more featureful |
| 02:41.09 | Stroller | iowaboy: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1569 |
| 02:41.11 | chillywilly | Chox: I did not care for the interface |
| 02:41.16 | Chox | nor I |
| 02:41.17 | Chox | it sucks. |
| 02:41.21 | iowaboy | Stroller, gracias |
| 02:41.25 | chillywilly | I like the GTK interface, but the apps need work ;P |
| 02:41.27 | Chox | but it'll be the same stuff, surely |
| 02:41.54 | chillywilly | I wish the screen were bigger and it had a stylus in the case |
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| 02:42.06 | chillywilly | will it? |
| 02:42.10 | Chox | stylus fits in the case, but only just |
| 02:42.13 | SpeedEvil | I want a bigger screen. |
| 02:42.15 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | I know, they should have built in a stylus holder |
| 02:42.22 | Chox | there is one! |
| 02:42.26 | chillywilly | where? |
| 02:42.27 | Chox | it's the webbing in the inside |
| 02:42.29 | iowaboy | chillywilly, well know that there are more people with actual units in their hands we should see much more development |
| 02:42.38 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | I have a 1973 |
| 02:43.02 | chillywilly | does the 1973 have a bigger screen or do my eyes deceive me? |
| 02:43.24 | rivalarrival | I'm just going to have to start trimming my nail into a makeshift stylus. |
| 02:43.25 | Chox | that's hardcore. although guitar players do that. |
| 02:43.30 | chillywilly | what happened to the menus and such that I see on some screenshots with the 1973...the interface looks a lot more mature in some older screenshots I have seen |
| 02:43.36 | SpeedEvil | chillywilly: exactly hte same sie |
| 02:43.40 | chillywilly | ok |
| 02:43.48 | SpeedEvil | chillywilly: it got changed! |
| 02:43.53 | SpeedEvil | chillywilly: change is good! |
| 02:43.58 | chillywilly | not always |
| 02:44.06 | SpeedEvil | chillywilly: even if the old interface seemed as if it was almost stable. |
| 02:44.07 | Chox | what screenshots? |
| 02:44.13 | chillywilly | I want a full keyboard that I can use with my fat fingers ;) |
| 02:44.17 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | I dont like the new stuff |
| 02:44.34 | chillywilly | one sec...I'll have to dis something up |
| 02:44.35 | iowaboy | chillywilly, isn't there a finger keyboard being developed? Pretty sure I saw it on the project pages |
| 02:44.37 | chillywilly | dig* |
| 02:44.43 | chillywilly | where? |
| 02:45.08 | chillywilly | I am just starting to get into the swing of things so...wtf do I know |
| 02:45.11 | iowaboy | chillywilly, http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/finger-keyboard/ |
| 02:45.20 | iowaboy | still in alpha though |
| 02:45.28 | chillywilly | ok |
| 02:45.43 | chillywilly | wish I had more time to do development again |
| 02:45.55 | chillywilly | gotta make time ;) |
| 02:46.30 | chillywilly | it's so confusing now though as it seems the project has splintered with all the images floating around |
| 02:46.42 | chillywilly | differen UIs...and now a rewrite of the backend |
| 02:46.48 | chillywilly | I should load FSO once for grins |
| 02:46.55 | chillywilly | I want to try them all ;P |
| 02:47.20 | rivalarrival | That's the nature of open source projects... Some of them will die out, only the fittest will survive. |
| 02:47.59 | chillywilly | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOG_mtSEMgs |
| 02:48.03 | chillywilly | that looks neat |
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| 02:48.14 | chillywilly | qtopia on 1973 |
| 02:48.20 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | I would like to try WM6 on it HA HA HA |
| 02:48.27 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | Joking |
| 02:48.37 | rockstar | My FreeRunner is stuck on "Registering" Anyone got an 3G AT&T SIM working? |
| 02:48.44 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe_Mob: you can - with qemu! |
| 02:48.58 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | thats funny |
| 02:49.00 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe_Mob: it'll be about a P5 or so. |
| 02:49.15 | rockstar | Looks like the wiki still reports it doesn't work with the 1973 |
| 02:49.17 | iowaboy | rockstar: I did, model 7300g |
| 02:49.18 | SpeedEvil | (that's a pentium I at 5MHz - not a Pentium five) |
| 02:49.58 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | rockstar: you have a FR? |
| 02:50.05 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | Nevermind im a fool |
| 02:50.25 | rockstar | I have a 71234G |
| 02:50.41 | iowaboy | rockstar, a buddy of mine has that too, doesn't look good |
| 02:51.00 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | I cant believe they released the FR with the SIM problem |
| 02:51.14 | chillywilly | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR4ezMgRlWo&feature=related <-- I was talking about the interface shown here...I like that one better than the new one |
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| 02:51.21 | chillywilly | to tell you the truth |
| 02:51.22 | Chocky_ | IMs you a fool |
| 02:51.44 | rockstar | KrisAbsinthe_Mob, if my SIM doesn't work, it's off to eBay |
| 02:51.46 | SpeedEvil | Does ppp say anything? |
| 02:51.47 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 02:52.51 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | You could try and talk a AT&T clerk into letting you try a few before you buy |
| 02:52.53 | retracile | rockstar: make sure you put it in the right way... it's possible to get it wrong-way-'round |
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| 02:53.05 | rockstar | Yea, it's in the right way. |
| 02:53.42 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | chillywilly: thats the OM 2007.1 version, I liked it too |
| 02:53.51 | rockstar | KrisAbsinthe_Mob, I'm sure they'll only give me newer SIMs that aren't supported either. |
| 02:54.19 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | rockstar: probably, I have one out if 10 that works with my 1973 |
| 02:54.19 | rockstar | On boot, it just continues to say "Registering..." |
| 02:54.35 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | *of |
| 02:54.46 | iowaboy | rockstar, another thing is to try to go to walmart or bestbuy and get a shitty pre-pay phone and try the SIMs in there |
| 02:54.56 | rockstar | KrisAbsinthe_Mob, well, the 1973 wasn't supposed to be usable. |
| 02:55.55 | chillywilly | well at one point I had the full keyboard thing installed and that seemed a bit better but too small for the fingers |
| 02:55.57 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | rockstar: i was ok with that issue but it made it to the FR and they over looked a major GSM issue , rendering my GSM useless, i was upset that they cant fix it even if I paid them |
| 02:56.11 | rockstar | It is running old software. Maybe if I flash it, it will work. |
| 02:56.45 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | did you issue any GSM commands |
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| 02:57.07 | chillywilly | btw, can you turn off the touch screen "click" sound? |
| 02:57.10 | rockstar | No, but I don't feel like typing T9 in a terminal. |
| 02:57.24 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | ssh |
| 02:57.51 | swc|666 | i dont think AT commands will solve the 3g issue |
| 02:58.03 | swc|666 | sim* |
| 02:58.48 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | I would verify before selling the FR though |
| 02:59.05 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | OR buy some old ladies old phone from craigslist? |
| 02:59.16 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | for the SIM |
| 02:59.47 | rockstar | What kind of AT commands should I issue? |
| 02:59.49 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | also maybe the cloned SIM cards will work, bit risky though |
| 03:00.30 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | I would just do a simple list operators, you should get a CME error 13 if your sim is busted |
| 03:00.41 | SpeedEvil | at+cops=? |
| 03:00.45 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 03:01.04 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | yeah thats it lol, been a while since I used my GSM |
| 03:01.29 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | libgsm-tool -m atcmd is that right for the FR |
| 03:02.41 | SpeedEvil | maybe |
| 03:03.25 | Mokon00b | woohoo im oon wifi |
| 03:03.33 | rockstar | -sh: libgsm-tool: not found |
| 03:03.35 | Chox | IM = instant message |
| 03:04.01 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | you can use cu to call the tty |
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| 03:05.30 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | I like using Uboot to talk to the modem though, its simple and damn near flawless |
| 03:10.32 | Mokon00b | 'opkj not found' |
| 03:13.30 | Mokon00b | whereis opkj |
| 03:13.35 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | opkg |
| 03:14.48 | Mokon00b | dog |
| 03:14.50 | Mokon00b | doh |
| 03:15.00 | Mokon00b | ty |
| 03:15.02 | Mokon00b | my bad |
| 03:15.03 | Mokon00b | heh |
| 03:15.10 | chillywilly | I'd try wifi if my flippin router was working...;P |
| 03:15.14 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | damn these images leave no room for anything on my 1973 |
| 03:15.21 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | np |
| 03:15.24 | chillywilly | can't find it on the lan...it has openwrt on it ;P |
| 03:15.24 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe_Mob: SD |
| 03:15.34 | chillywilly | I can get to it in failsafe... |
| 03:15.35 | balrog-kun | actually i've had more problems with talking to modem through u-boot that linux :p |
| 03:15.38 | chillywilly | stupid thing |
| 03:15.48 | balrog-kun | it has problems on the usb tty sid |
| 03:15.48 | balrog-kun | e |
| 03:15.54 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | I got that just killing me, TangoGPS, GPSD and gliin fills the mem |
| 03:15.55 | balrog-kun | skips some characters |
| 03:17.19 | Dave | balrogkun^^ |
| 03:19.46 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe_Mob: swapon /media/card/swap |
| 03:20.16 | rockstar | Is the ASU the most recent firmware? 20080424? |
| 03:20.43 | balrog-kun | Dave: o/ |
| 03:20.53 | balrog-kun | no, the buildhost makes a new most recent firmware everyday |
| 03:21.01 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | swapon: can't stat '/media/mmcblk0p5/swap': No such file or directory |
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| 03:21.26 | Dave | :) |
| 03:21.46 | rockstar | balrog-kun, well, I mean stable... |
| 03:22.14 | SirBob1701 | are there any qwerty keyboards besides the complete one? looking for something a bit easier to actually hit the keys on |
| 03:22.14 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 03:22.39 | rockstar | SirBob1701, I bet it's harder to find a Dvorak... :) |
| 03:22.45 | SirBob1701 | true lol |
| 03:22.47 | iowaboy | i can't hit the 0 on the matchbox keyboard |
| 03:22.48 | iowaboy | haha |
| 03:22.51 | balrog-kun | rockstar: stability is hard to measure... but it generally increases all the time |
| 03:23.00 | SirBob1701 | but i could remap that qwerty to dvorak |
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| 03:23.38 | SirBob1701 | lol i've just been running opkg update opkg upgrade and restarting for like 3 hours now yeesh |
| 03:25.09 | iowaboy | how would I uninstall matchbox and reinstall the old keyboard? |
| 03:25.30 | iowaboy | opkg remove matchbox-keyboard? |
| 03:25.55 | SirBob1701 | ya i just opkg list | grep keyboard removed the installed files and then reinstaleld matchbox one |
| 03:26.11 | SirBob1701 | note that the grep doesn't list just the ones you just installed |
| 03:26.39 | SirBob1701 | there any programs that allow you to change / disable ringtone? |
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| 03:28.11 | Dave | :) |
| 03:28.22 | Dave | Time to find my sexy gis scriptsssssssss |
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| 03:31.33 | Dave | balrogkun and decreases when somebody makes an *oops* :p |
| 03:32.31 | rockstar | So, I just reflashed with the image from http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ and pawored up the GSM antenna. No luck with the SIM |
| 03:33.17 | Dave | rockstar - assy - what country are you in? |
| 03:33.33 | rockstar | Dave, U.S. on AT&T |
| 03:33.37 | Mokon00b | doh no outgoing calls now |
| 03:33.37 | Mokon00b | grr |
| 03:33.55 | Dave | Are you using a SIM card with a non pay as you go type plan? |
| 03:34.05 | Stroller | I think we should make that the standard channel response to any question. What country are you in? |
| 03:34.06 | chillywilly | well what the heck are people using for an every day phone ;P? |
| 03:34.23 | Dave | I've heard allegations stating that some people believe that only the pay as you go AT&T 3G SIMs work in the freerunner so far. |
| 03:34.32 | Dave | Stroller, yeah |
| 03:34.46 | Dave | chillywilly, surely not their freerunner :P |
| 03:34.58 | chillywilly | I attmpted that today |
| 03:35.01 | KrisAbsinthe_Mob | I think they will convert a Pay-as-you-go to a contract |
| 03:35.01 | Dave | likely an iBlasphemy |
| 03:35.01 | chillywilly | ;P |
| 03:35.52 | chillywilly | yea I've been thinking about getting a 3G iOwnzj00 |
| 03:36.05 | rockstar | Dave, yes |
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| 03:36.12 | chillywilly | the screens on those things ar huge |
| 03:36.15 | chillywilly | are* |
| 03:36.24 | Dave | on what? |
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| 03:36.44 | Dave | Dude, Apple technology is nothing but an lcd |
| 03:36.50 | chillywilly | on the iXXX |
| 03:36.53 | Dave | with stuff crammed behind it |
| 03:37.03 | Dave | I think I am 99% accurate across the board right there :P |
| 03:37.04 | chillywilly | iCrud |
| 03:37.12 | Dave | even their PC's are like that, I am told |
| 03:37.13 | Dave | hah |
| 03:37.20 | Dave | not that anyone else is complaining, but still :P |
| 03:37.30 | jeffszusz | likes MOST apple things |
| 03:37.39 | chillywilly | I don't understand the point of your statement |
| 03:37.41 | Dave | heh, most? |
| 03:37.46 | chillywilly | it's purty.... |
| 03:37.50 | Dave | What, you don't appreciate the iMac? |
| 03:38.05 | Dave | or iPod Flimsy |
| 03:38.13 | Dave | or whatever their latest failure is |
| 03:38.14 | jeffszusz | ipods newer than 5thgen video are ghey...(rockbox and ipodlinux won't install on the new shit!) and the nano is too delicate |
| 03:38.28 | Dave | right :P |
| 03:38.36 | Dave | thought pretty slick marketing |
| 03:38.44 | jeffszusz | my old metal ipod mini can withstand a collision with a tracktor trailor |
| 03:38.46 | Dave | way to subliminally rape the consumer market! |
| 03:38.58 | rockstar | You know, if the phone just made calls, I'd be happy to test the other features as they came around. This doesn't even make calls. |
| 03:39.00 | jeffszusz | my cat could ruin a nano |
| 03:39.49 | jeffszusz | and! they made the imacs ugly. they should be white and shiny still. |
| 03:41.07 | iowaboy | how does one suspend the FR? |
| 03:41.14 | Dave | :x |
| 03:41.21 | Stroller | iowaboy: what country are you in? |
| 03:41.21 | Dave | Try again in a few weeks :p |
| 03:41.26 | Dave | Stroller ;D |
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| 03:41.29 | Dave | high-fives sTroller |
| 03:41.33 | Stroller | :D |
| 03:41.39 | Dave | good call :p |
| 03:41.45 | iowaboy | ? |
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| 03:42.16 | rockstar | puts the latest ASU on the FR, in hopes that the SIM might work |
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| 03:42.51 | chillywilly | doesn't ring for an incoming call anymore either |
| 03:42.53 | Dave | might |
| 03:42.58 | Dave | rockstar, otherwise try qtopia |
| 03:43.15 | rockstar | Dave, I thought ASU was Qtopia |
| 03:43.24 | Dave | No _ |
| 03:43.25 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 03:43.26 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 03:43.39 | Stroller | ~_~ |
| 03:43.40 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 03:43.46 | Stroller | lol |
| 03:43.50 | Dave | rockstar, ASU is the Openmoko-Qtopia hybrid, essentially, the pure Qtopia image is something different. |
| 03:43.51 | chillywilly | considers trying qtopia |
| 03:43.54 | Dave | Stroller: STOP DOING THAT! |
| 03:44.07 | rockstar | Ah, but there was also another Hybrid image too. |
| 03:44.08 | Stroller | Sorry. I cannot do that, Dave |
| 03:44.15 | Stroller | ~_Z |
| 03:44.18 | Stroller | ~_~ |
| 03:44.19 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 03:44.30 | ieatlint | i like linux |
| 03:44.35 | ieatlint | s/linux/bsd/ |
| 03:44.41 | Stroller | I like Turtles |
| 03:44.43 | Dave | rockstar, yeah |
| 03:44.43 | iowaboy | no seriously, i don't see anything about suspend |
| 03:44.46 | Dave | Stroller :) |
| 03:44.52 | Dave | c[,,] |
| 03:44.57 | Dave | c/,,\ |
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| 03:45.09 | Stroller | iowaboy: I think there was something about it on -coommunity today |
| 03:45.16 | Stroller | iowaboy: I think there was something about it on -community, even |
| 03:45.27 | iowaboy | ok, thanks |
| 03:45.35 | ieatlint | best cross compiling error i've had yet: checking abstract socket namespace... configure: error: cannot run test program while cross compiling |
| 03:45.41 | Hydrant | anyone know how fast the data transfer is on the openmoko for cellular internet? |
| 03:45.47 | Hydrant | It's EDGE supposedly ? |
| 03:45.54 | ieatlint | no, gprs |
| 03:45.58 | ieatlint | class 12 i think |
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| 03:46.28 | Hydrant | gprs... faster than edge? slower ? |
| 03:46.35 | Hydrant | I'm just calculating if I can do voip with it |
| 03:46.48 | ieatlint | slower |
| 03:46.52 | ieatlint | no, you can't do voip with it |
| 03:47.16 | Stroller | ?? |
| 03:47.16 | Hydrant | 56kbit/s... almost enough |
| 03:47.17 | Hydrant | might be |
| 03:47.50 | Stroller | I think you should be able to get 300mbps or so data on the FR, if the local cell towers are setup right |
| 03:48.28 | AntonTakk | ...300mbps? over gprs? what? |
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| 03:48.30 | ieatlint | the latency would also be crazy |
| 03:48.39 | Hydrant | wikipedia says "It provides data rates from 56 up to 114 kbit/s" |
| 03:48.42 | Stroller | Sorry |
| 03:48.44 | Stroller | 300kbps |
| 03:48.59 | ieatlint | edge is 300kbps |
| 03:49.03 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 03:49.04 | Dave | huh? |
| 03:49.08 | Dave | gprs is slow |
| 03:49.18 | ieatlint | expect gprs to be ~60kbit down, 40kbit up |
| 03:49.20 | Hydrant | is the latency really that bad ? |
| 03:49.24 | AntonTakk | was gonna ask what you were on, decided to go the nicer route thou |
| 03:49.26 | Dave | 30kbps |
| 03:49.28 | ieatlint | pretty sure that's half duplex |
| 03:49.42 | chillywilly | bah... |
| 03:49.51 | rockstar | sees SHR doesn't exist |
| 03:50.13 | ieatlint | http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/gprs/class.shtml |
| 03:50.19 | ieatlint | the FR is class 12 |
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| 03:50.35 | ieatlint | (as was the neo1973) |
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| 03:51.22 | Hydrant | there's a new openmoko in development isn't there ? |
| 03:51.33 | Hydrant | I thought I read that the next one will feature a camera, and such |
| 03:52.03 | Dave | It's POSSIBLE |
| 03:52.06 | Dave | but unknown |
| 03:52.07 | ieatlint | i don't think much of anything is confirmed |
| 03:52.09 | kdub | so after 5 hours of trying to compile FSO, it died with an error. if anyone out there has sucessfully compiled the FSO, i'd appreciate the help |
| 03:52.18 | Dave | kdub :( |
| 03:52.19 | ieatlint | all i've heard is that edge is "very likely" |
| 03:52.25 | Stroller | I think a camera is planned for the next one |
| 03:52.26 | Dave | goodwill has |
| 03:52.36 | Stroller | bets it'll take 9 months, tho' |
| 03:52.42 | Stroller | Ooopos |
| 03:52.51 | chillywilly | bah, iphone 3g comercial |
| 03:52.54 | Stroller | I mean, what country are you in, Hydrant ? |
| 03:53.19 | chillywilly | flashes qtopia.net for the fun of it |
| 03:53.38 | Hydrant | Stroller: canada |
| 03:53.43 | chillywilly | anyone know if you can ssh into a FR running qtopia? |
| 03:53.52 | Hydrant | I was talking with an electrical / computer engineer who wants to help with hardware design |
| 03:53.54 | Hydrant | where do I point him to ? |
| 03:54.30 | Stroller | Hydrant: the hardware design is commercial, it's not a community effort |
| 03:54.40 | Hydrant | Stroller: hrrm, I thought it was |
| 03:54.46 | Hydrant | that's too bad in a way |
| 03:55.07 | wurp2|work | The design is open in that you may see how it's built & suggest improvements |
| 03:55.07 | ieatlint | there are too many components under NDA and the like |
| 03:55.10 | Hydrant | the guy I know is a prof at U of T and wanted to get some of his students and himself to work on it |
| 03:55.25 | wurp2|work | Or "fork" and use the files to create a new hardware design |
| 03:55.25 | Hydrant | hrrm |
| 03:55.32 | wurp2|work | (the files that are available) |
| 03:55.32 | Hydrant | seems like wasted effort |
| 03:55.40 | Stroller | Hydrant: FIC might be interested in talking to him, I guess in that case |
| 03:55.43 | Hydrant | I'm not an engineer, just know one that was interested |
| 03:55.45 | Hydrant | yah |
| 03:55.55 | Hydrant | he's very richard-stallman like... Steve Mann |
| 03:56.00 | Stroller | Get him to email steve@openmoko |
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| 03:56.27 | Hydrant | .org or .com ? |
| 03:56.32 | Stroller | com |
| 03:56.38 | Hydrant | k... I'll forward that to him |
| 03:56.40 | benlake | ant T-Mobile gprs users? |
| 03:56.46 | benlake | any... |
| 03:56.57 | Hydrant | anyone else in canada btw ? |
| 03:57.17 | ieatlint | tmobile us here, benlake |
| 03:57.41 | rockstar | So ASU doesn't work with the SIM either. |
| 03:57.44 | benlake | ieatlint: you manage to get gprs going? |
| 03:57.57 | ieatlint | but after a lot of trying, i can't get gprs to work (and i'm using a pppd setup that i use on my laptop) |
| 03:57.58 | Dave | rockstar :[ |
| 03:58.15 | Hydrant | is ASU working? That's the default one that came with it ? |
| 03:58.23 | benlake | poopsticks! |
| 03:58.31 | ieatlint | gsmd owns the tty when running, and without it running, i can't do too much |
| 03:58.39 | rockstar | Yup. I'm gonna try Qtopia, and then I'm going to succeed with eBay. |
| 03:58.50 | ieatlint | Hydrant, it came with a "stable" copy 2007.2 from april |
| 03:58.54 | kdub | succeed with ebay? |
| 03:59.01 | Hydrant | ieatlint: stable ASU you mean ? |
| 03:59.08 | ieatlint | no |
| 03:59.12 | Dave | okay :D |
| 03:59.13 | ieatlint | 2007.2 != ASU |
| 03:59.16 | Dave | hahaha wow |
| 03:59.24 | Dave | rockstar, I'm fairly certain it works. |
| 03:59.28 | Dave | try it out :D |
| 03:59.29 | chillywilly | if he can't get his SIM to work... |
| 03:59.40 | Dave | you'll take his freerunner? :P |
| 03:59.49 | chillywilly | ASU has a wifi UI? |
| 03:59.54 | ieatlint | on the bright side he can still call 911... isn't that enough... |
| 03:59.54 | chillywilly | sure ;P |
| 03:59.56 | AntonTakk | ok, so is the freerunner a class a, b, or c gsm device? |
| 03:59.58 | Dave | sort of |
| 04:00.06 | ieatlint | AntonTakk, B |
| 04:00.20 | ieatlint | we all wish A ;) |
| 04:00.44 | Hydrant | rockstar: what's with your sim card now ? |
| 04:01.05 | AntonTakk | ieatlint: yeah, A would be nice, but imho, B is good enough |
| 04:01.11 | AntonTakk | at least it's not C |
| 04:01.15 | rockstar | Hydrant, it doesn't work. Continuous "Registering..." at the top |
| 04:01.38 | AntonTakk | rockstar: has it worked before? |
| 04:01.53 | rockstar | In another phone, yes. |
| 04:02.01 | AntonTakk | ah, but never in fr? |
| 04:02.01 | rockstar | Never in the FR |
| 04:02.57 | AntonTakk | i had that problem till i slif the sim as far to the outside of the case as possible |
| 04:03.07 | AntonTakk | slid* |
| 04:03.34 | rockstar | Ah wait, the Qtopia image doesn't have Qtopia on it. |
| 04:03.43 | Dave | What? o_O |
| 04:03.59 | rockstar | I'm not setting up a toolchain for something I'm not sure I'll still own in a week. |
| 04:04.14 | rockstar | "Qtopia is not on this rootfs. This rootfs is for developers wanting to compile Qtopia, create the jffs2 image and flash. " |
| 04:04.23 | Dave | no no |
| 04:04.25 | Dave | not that one |
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| 04:04.43 | chillywilly | qtopia is taking forever to boot... |
| 04:04.44 | Dave | get the qtopia-4.3.2-gta02-flash.tgz or something |
| 04:04.47 | chillywilly | there it goes |
| 04:04.54 | Dave | chillywilly, always the complainer :p |
| 04:04.56 | chillywilly | fun |
| 04:04.58 | chillywilly | :P |
| 04:05.00 | chillywilly | sorry |
| 04:05.03 | chillywilly | impatient tonight |
| 04:05.04 | SirBob1701 | so i've been running opkg update opkg upgrade for a while now is this usual? for a new phone? |
| 04:05.12 | chillywilly | I was up too late last night screwing around with my phone ;) |
| 04:05.17 | Dave | sirbob, what's it doing? |
| 04:05.24 | chillywilly | I am kind of cranky |
| 04:05.25 | stephelton | this contacts stuff is locking up a lot... |
| 04:05.33 | SirBob1701 | like i kept rerunin it for the last 4 hours cause shit keeps downloading |
| 04:05.47 | SirBob1701 | looks liek its updateing everything |
| 04:05.58 | Dave | o_O |
| 04:06.00 | Dave | yeah |
| 04:06.01 | Dave | that's good |
| 04:06.08 | Dave | it can take a while, though that seems excessive |
| 04:06.12 | Dave | perhaps if you're on dialup... |
| 04:06.12 | SirBob1701 | ok lol |
| 04:06.17 | Dave | ;p |
| 04:06.17 | SirBob1701 | nope dsl |
| 04:06.19 | SirBob1701 | i mean |
| 04:06.22 | SirBob1701 | it finishes fast |
| 04:06.31 | stephelton | is there a development channel? |
| 04:06.33 | SirBob1701 | then i opkg update opkg upgrade again |
| 04:06.33 | AntonTakk | gotta leave diversity running tonight to see if it can track me decently on my way to work in the morning :) |
| 04:06.35 | Dave | yes |
| 04:06.36 | SirBob1701 | and it dls more crap |
| 04:06.44 | rockstar | AntonTakk, I'm trying your solution, slid the SIM out. |
| 04:06.47 | Dave | :D |
| 04:06.56 | Dave | shrugs |
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| 04:07.18 | SirBob1701 | was starting to wonder if the poc was just dling the same crap over and over lol |
| 04:07.22 | Hydrant | rockstar: i had some issues with qtopia, works now with my sim card |
| 04:07.51 | AntonTakk | rockstar: yeah, insert it, then use a small screw driver or w/e to mive it to one side or the other (look at how toh connectors line up with the sim/phone to decide which way to slide it |
| 04:07.51 | rockstar | Hydrant, did you have trouble with your sim in other firmwares? |
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| 04:08.31 | AntonTakk | rockstar: I had sim/call/sms problems in all except asu |
| 04:08.32 | rockstar | AntonTakk, yea, I wondered if there was a tool to see if it could read off the SIM |
| 04:08.35 | Hydrant | rockstar: hrrm... don't remember |
| 04:08.56 | Hydrant | rockstar: I used a qtopia one from the 15th I think |
| 04:09.05 | AntonTakk | rockstar: iirc, libgsmd-tool -m atcmd \n AT+CIMI |
| 04:09.25 | rockstar | I didn't seem to have libgsm-tool installed |
| 04:09.47 | Dave | o_O |
| 04:10.04 | rivalarrival | O_o |
| 04:10.07 | chillywilly | well the qtopia apps seem a bit more polished and usable |
| 04:10.11 | chillywilly | the keyboard is nice too |
| 04:11.27 | AntonTakk | does anyone know is gsmd on the latesy asu snapshots can maintain both gsm and gprs at the same time yet? |
| 04:11.35 | rockstar | Yes, but Qt development means I have to get all icky in C++ again. |
| 04:11.35 | AntonTakk | if* |
| 04:11.47 | benlake | when you change orientation, does anyone else notice the touch coords are shifted to the left considerably? |
| 04:11.55 | Hydrant | rockstar: C++ isn't icky |
| 04:11.56 | Hydrant | :-) |
| 04:11.57 | Dave | chillywilly: it is :D |
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| 04:12.06 | Dave | rockstar :p |
| 04:12.58 | chillywilly | c++ is the first language I learned |
| 04:13.16 | rockstar | Well, if I could make calls with this, it would be worth it. I'd make the other tools I needed. |
| 04:13.25 | chillywilly | was he default for our CE program...now I think they are pushing java (bleh) |
| 04:13.38 | chillywilly | the* |
| 04:14.23 | ieatlint | you learnt c++ first? |
| 04:14.26 | rockstar | I'll take Java over C++ |
| 04:14.36 | ieatlint | oh, another java guy.. |
| 04:15.00 | Dave | :) |
| 04:15.07 | mwester | now now, be nice to the java persons |
| 04:15.09 | Dave | high-fives chillywilly |
| 04:15.15 | Dave | mwester, Never! |
| 04:15.15 | rockstar | Oh no, I dan't like Java at all. Just dislike C++ more. |
| 04:15.33 | ieatlint | i am, until they baselessly insult c++ |
| 04:15.55 | Hydrant | feels a language debate coming on |
| 04:16.03 | mwester | Well, I once believed that the two worst languages in the world were java and C++. |
| 04:16.10 | rockstar | ignores a language debate |
| 04:16.10 | mwester | And then I encountered Python. |
| 04:16.11 | AntonTakk | platform agnostic assembly! |
| 04:16.25 | ieatlint | haha |
| 04:16.26 | rockstar | mwester, you hate python? |
| 04:16.26 | Mokon00b | are there suppose to be LED's behind the power and aux buttons? |
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| 04:16.29 | ieatlint | python is ... easy |
| 04:16.36 | rockstar | That's rare. Are you a Ruby guy? |
| 04:16.41 | jeffszusz | loves Python |
| 04:16.44 | mwester | python is ... FORTRAN for the 21st century! |
| 04:16.45 | AntonTakk | Mokon00b: not implimented in software yet :) |
| 04:16.46 | jeffszusz | loves Ruby |
| 04:16.56 | Mokon00b | ;) |
| 04:17.10 | mwester | Perl |
| 04:17.16 | jeffszusz | thinks Python and Ruby should just get along, because they both kick @5$ |
| 04:17.27 | rockstar | Can the acclerometers be read through dev? |
| 04:17.41 | Mokon00b | any developers here? |
| 04:17.45 | ieatlint | echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/gta02-aux\:red/brightness |
| 04:17.49 | AntonTakk | Mokon00b: interesting to note that the pre-alpha daily asu buld I am running has already surpassed my old wm6pro phone in stability :) |
| 04:17.52 | ieatlint | and the aux light turns on |
| 04:18.15 | rockstar | AntonTakk, my WM phone will use my SIM. :) |
| 04:18.25 | ieatlint | /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/gta02-power:blue/brightness |
| 04:18.32 | ieatlint | /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/gta02-power:orange/brightness |
| 04:18.38 | ieatlint | echo 1 to turn on, 0 to turn off |
| 04:19.10 | Dave | :D |
| 04:19.12 | Dave | yay |
| 04:19.27 | ieatlint | yep, with orange and blue on, it's kinda purple |
| 04:19.49 | Hydrant | WM ? |
| 04:20.01 | AntonTakk | that's the same color as the T logo on my tmobile car charger :) |
| 04:20.02 | ieatlint | windows mobile |
| 04:20.02 | Dave | window manager? |
| 04:20.07 | Dave | oh, pfft |
| 04:21.05 | Hydrant | why would you carry a window with you ? |
| 04:21.10 | Hydrant | sounds like a bad joke |
| 04:21.17 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 04:21.28 | chillywilly | i love the flippin qtopia keyboard |
| 04:21.30 | chillywilly | ;P |
| 04:21.30 | AntonTakk | does the fr have cron on it? |
| 04:21.33 | AntonTakk | checks |
| 04:21.51 | Mokon00b | what programmikng language are apps being developed in ? |
| 04:21.58 | Hydrant | chillywilly: are you using a stylus ? |
| 04:22.07 | ieatlint | AntonTakk, 2007.2 doesn't ... :( |
| 04:22.10 | AntonTakk | hrm, it does, but i see no plain crontab |
| 04:22.11 | ieatlint | not even a package for it |
| 04:22.20 | chillywilly | Hydrant: don't need to |
| 04:22.28 | chillywilly | Hydrant: the keyboard is finger friendly |
| 04:22.30 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 04:22.33 | AntonTakk | dang |
| 04:22.35 | Hydrant | chillywilly: not for me |
| 04:22.36 | Dave | rockstar, let me know how it turns out :) |
| 04:22.59 | AntonTakk | was gonna hack up a script to random-ishly flash the LEDs :) |
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| 04:23.11 | chillywilly | Hydrant: but it'll give you several guesses so you do not have to be exact |
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| 04:23.19 | ieatlint | someone on the mailing list posted an led status program |
| 04:23.22 | rockstar | Dave, flashing Qtopia currently |
| 04:23.40 | ieatlint | it flashes the leds based on battery level, and if things like bluetooth and wifi are on |
| 04:23.45 | Hydrant | chillywilly: I find the keys way too small |
| 04:23.47 | AntonTakk | nice |
| 04:23.54 | Hydrant | I prefer the keyboard on the iphone |
| 04:24.06 | AntonTakk | Hydrant: stylus :) |
| 04:24.27 | Hydrant | or modify the phone to be how I want |
| 04:24.33 | Hydrant | the openmoko has a smaller screen tho |
| 04:24.58 | chillywilly | Hydrant: try pressing down on a key and draggin...that is flippin awesome |
| 04:25.01 | AntonTakk | but higher resolution - so just bodymod your fingers to be tiny at the tips ;) |
| 04:25.12 | chillywilly | does like a magnifying glass thing on the keys |
| 04:25.13 | Hydrant | so maybe something nicer can be done... a sliding keyboard would be annoying... maybe depending upon what information you can get from the screen something more precise can be done |
| 04:25.29 | Hydrant | same on the iphone |
| 04:25.38 | chillywilly | Hydrant: I don't know what the keyboard on the iphone does...but this is pretty nice |
| 04:25.44 | AntonTakk | Hydrant: flip on it's side and do a bigger on screen kb :) |
| 04:25.52 | Hydrant | qtopia doesn't do that :-( |
| 04:25.56 | chillywilly | I might use this for a while just to have a decent usable phone for a while |
| 04:25.58 | Dave | eh? |
| 04:26.05 | Dave | Yeah you will! |
| 04:26.26 | chillywilly | wonder if I can still ssh in |
| 04:26.33 | Dave | yep :D |
| 04:27.07 | rockstar | So all I can find is the bin file for Qtopia. It was in the tarball |
| 04:27.13 | rockstar | No rootfs |
| 04:27.15 | nullpuppy | yeah, used qtopia today with suspend. working fairly well so far |
| 04:27.39 | nullpuppy | 12+hrs and still lots of battery |
| 04:27.50 | rockstar | So Qtopia is just a kernel, and I add the ASU rootfs? |
| 04:27.53 | chillywilly | yep, ssh still works the same |
| 04:27.53 | Dave | rockstar, it's in there too :p |
| 04:28.11 | chillywilly | http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 |
| 04:28.19 | chillywilly | it's a rootfs |
| 04:28.22 | nullpuppy | qtopia has kernel and rootfs |
| 04:28.34 | rockstar | Found it |
| 04:28.34 | chillywilly | I am using the daily builf kernel from yesterday (7/15) |
| 04:28.38 | chillywilly | build* |
| 04:28.39 | nullpuppy | ASU isn't the same, but does use qtopia as the gui toolkit |
| 04:28.50 | chillywilly | nullpuppy: I didn't see a kernel |
| 04:28.57 | nullpuppy | really? huh |
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| 04:29.26 | Dave | rockstar, hooray :D |
| 04:29.27 | chillywilly | well if you go to www.qtopia.net and search for gta02 you'll also find the image |
| 04:29.41 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 04:29.45 | Dave | I hopy chillywilly didn't mislead you :D |
| 04:29.54 | chillywilly | hmmm? |
| 04:30.09 | chillywilly | this is pretty nice now...just have to figure everything out but I like the keyboard a lot |
| 04:30.24 | chillywilly | I made a phone call also |
| 04:30.28 | chillywilly | but did not answer it |
| 04:30.48 | chillywilly | my wife's phone is charging and I was too lazy to walk over and answer it |
| 04:30.54 | rockstar | chillywilly, the tarball is linked from the openmoko wiki |
| 04:31.43 | chillywilly | rockstar: ok, well I also saw them throwing back errors saying "you can't like to this file from an external source" when I tried some wiki links |
| 04:32.04 | rockstar | Yea, it eventually forwards you to where you need to be |
| 04:32.10 | chillywilly | oh, qtopia also has help files :) |
| 04:32.22 | chillywilly | that explain how to use some things |
| 04:32.43 | Mokon00b | pardon my ignorance.. what is this qtopia? and should I be using it? |
| 04:32.47 | rockstar | Well, if it makes calls, I'll figure everything else out. |
| 04:32.47 | Dave | :) |
| 04:32.56 | Dave | yay! |
| 04:33.13 | chillywilly | http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 04:33.21 | chillywilly | Mokon00b: look there ^ |
| 04:33.32 | chillywilly | different software stacks |
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| 04:34.06 | Mokon00b | H KOL |
| 04:34.11 | Mokon00b | kool |
| 04:34.26 | chillywilly | qtopia does seem pretty nice and usable if you actually want to use your phone |
| 04:34.30 | Hydrant | yah |
| 04:34.32 | Hydrant | I'm using it |
| 04:34.34 | chillywilly | I may install it on the microSD card though |
| 04:34.44 | chillywilly | so I can still play with bleedin edge openmoko things |
| 04:34.57 | chillywilly | and then boot off microSD card when I actually want to use the phone ;P |
| 04:35.27 | chillywilly | dual boot phone |
| 04:35.29 | Hydrant | yay... got USB networking to work |
| 04:35.32 | chillywilly | that rocks |
| 04:35.35 | Hydrant | trying to update my phone, really want to try the GPS |
| 04:35.36 | Mokon00b | is fairly easy to get openmoko back to factory defualt no/ |
| 04:35.47 | chillywilly | yep |
| 04:35.56 | Mokon00b | wow |
| 04:35.58 | Mokon00b | k |
| 04:36.00 | chillywilly | boot into NOR flash and then run dfu-util |
| 04:36.02 | Mokon00b | now I have more fun |
| 04:36.04 | chillywilly | bam |
| 04:36.10 | chillywilly | back to whatever image you want |
| 04:36.11 | Mokon00b | looks like i am not sleeping again tonight |
| 04:36.20 | chillywilly | :P |
| 04:36.57 | chillywilly | stills wants to test various things...but is very tired from staying up late last night screwing around with his phone |
| 04:37.07 | Hydrant | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.08 | Hydrant | hrrm |
| 04:37.16 | chillywilly | I always get those |
| 04:37.49 | Dave | :D |
| 04:37.57 | Dave | Hydrant, yep, ignore it. |
| 04:38.12 | Hydrant | k, so it worked ? |
| 04:38.49 | Dave | sure |
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| 04:41.21 | Hydrant | anyone heard of qlandkarte ? |
| 04:41.27 | rockstar | Sad panda. Qtopia says "No network" |
| 04:42.10 | chillywilly | doh, I think I crashed it |
| 04:42.16 | chillywilly | the UI that is |
| 04:42.27 | chillywilly | X died I think |
| 04:42.42 | chillywilly | and it restarted |
| 04:42.45 | Dave | :D |
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| 04:42.56 | Dave | Sad panda? |
| 04:43.08 | mwester | Sad panda. |
| 04:43.20 | Dave | :[ |
| 04:43.27 | rockstar | Yea, I'm a sad panda now... Looks like this phone isn't going to work. |
| 04:44.10 | Hydrant | rockstar: tried qtopia? what file was it you downloaded ? |
| 04:44.14 | rivalarrival | Just out of curiosity - why don't you get a different sim card? |
| 04:44.50 | Dave | :P |
| 04:44.57 | rockstar | rivalarrival, because I'm sure they'll only be even newer and more unsupported |
| 04:45.12 | rivalarrival | rockstar: And you base that on what evidence? |
| 04:45.18 | Dave | :( |
| 04:45.23 | rockstar | Hydrant, qtopia-4.3.2-gta02-flash-07150527.tgz |
| 04:45.29 | Dave | I've used mine with both T-Mobile and AT&T |
| 04:45.34 | Dave | and they've worked fine :| |
| 04:45.50 | Hydrant | I think that's the one I tried |
| 04:45.54 | Hydrant | it fixed my problem |
| 04:46.00 | Hydrant | talk to the people on #qtopia ? |
| 04:46.07 | Hydrant | file a bug report ? |
| 04:46.10 | rockstar | Well, my buddy's works with T-mobile |
| 04:46.39 | rockstar | Hydrant, won't make sense to file a bug. I'm just not going to keep the phone. |
| 04:46.41 | rivalarrival | I'm just thinking that if it was a problem with all of the newer sim cards, there would be a LOT more people complaining that it wasn't working... I could be wrong, of course, but... |
| 04:47.06 | rockstar | s/phone/device |
| 04:47.06 | rivalarrival | But hey, if you don't want the phone, I'm sure you can find a buyer. |
| 04:47.07 | Hydrant | rockstar: why don't you want the phone? |
| 04:47.27 | rockstar | Hydrant, because as far as I'm concerned, it's not a phone. |
| 04:47.40 | Hydrant | rockstar: are you a programmer ? |
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| 04:47.54 | rockstar | Yup, but I don't need another project. |
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| 04:48.30 | Dave | :p |
| 04:48.36 | Dave | It's a neat new device. |
| 04:48.38 | AntonTakk | any of you know if the pen part of the led/laser/stylus/pen is refillable? |
| 04:48.42 | Dave | Though yeah, not a phone :P |
| 04:48.50 | Dave | working one yet, anyway. |
| 04:48.53 | rockstar | It is. I was looking forward to it. |
| 04:49.11 | AntonTakk | Dave: it's a fine phone here, has replaced my tmobile wing |
| 04:49.44 | rivalarrival | I imagine e-bay is going to be filled with higher-end ATT and T-mobile phones in the coming weeks. |
| 04:49.46 | Hydrant | rockstar: I'd try to get an older sim card, or at least file a bug report on the mailing list and try to get something done |
| 04:50.16 | Dave | :D |
| 04:50.26 | Dave | Anton, and what image do you currently run? |
| 04:50.31 | AntonTakk | rivalarrival: oh, not going to sell my wing, hoping to one day run openmoko on it :), or even something like framiliar |
| 04:50.32 | rockstar | Looks like I can go play dumb and the AT&T guys might just cycle through SIMs for me. |
| 04:50.34 | nullpuppy | does the qtopia.net image have gps support? |
| 04:50.43 | AntonTakk | Dave: asu from 7/15 |
| 04:50.45 | Hydrant | or just tell them you have an openmoko |
| 04:50.59 | Dave | alright |
| 04:51.02 | Hydrant | I went to rogers today, as evil a cell company as can be, and they had heard of an openmoko and were somewhat helpful |
| 04:51.10 | rockstar | I doubt anyone around here will know what OpenMoko is |
| 04:51.14 | Hydrant | never know |
| 04:51.15 | Dave | :| |
| 04:51.19 | Dave | yeehaw? |
| 04:51.31 | rivalarrival | rockstar: If you're selling it, it would probably be worth more if people knew it was your sim card, and not a problem with that particular device. |
| 04:51.33 | Hydrant | excited to get tangogps on so he can try it |
| 04:51.44 | Dave | :D |
| 04:51.48 | Dave | Yeah it's pretty sweet. |
| 04:52.01 | AntonTakk | rockstar: then tell them you need a slightly older 2g sim like might be used in a pay as you go/prepaid phone |
| 04:52.22 | Hydrant | if there was a faster cellular I'd be set |
| 04:52.34 | Hydrant | I wanted to do push voip on it |
| 04:53.28 | AntonTakk | support for ms active sync with exchange might be nice, as long as you could choose to ignore the policies/remote wipe/etc junk :) |
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| 04:54.03 | Hydrant | can't find tangogps on qtopia now that it's installed :-( |
| 04:54.18 | AntonTakk | Hydrant: yeah, no idea why |
| 04:54.30 | AntonTakk | and it can be run, but displays horibly |
| 04:54.43 | AntonTakk | and gripes constantly about dbus/etc |
| 04:54.45 | Hydrant | hrrm |
| 04:55.17 | AntonTakk | basically it wants a bunch of the packages/libs from 2007.2 |
| 04:55.34 | Dave | :| |
| 04:55.35 | Hydrant | crap |
| 04:55.39 | Hydrant | I wanted to try my GPS |
| 04:55.49 | Hydrant | I would really like to have something like google maps on it |
| 04:55.56 | AntonTakk | diversity isn't bad as far as fairly baisc gps with openstreetmap tiles |
| 04:56.05 | Dave | My pay as you go SIM is 3G... :| |
| 04:56.12 | Hydrant | so is mine |
| 04:56.34 | rockstar | I don't think they make non-3g anymore... |
| 04:56.43 | AntonTakk | "they" ? |
| 04:56.53 | AntonTakk | tmobile doesn't even have a 3g network |
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| 04:59.09 | kelvie | are the wiki instructions for the toolchain up to date? |
| 04:59.43 | kelvie | I can't seem to build the sample app.. on my ubuntu chroot or my gentoo machine |
| 05:00.58 | Dave | kelvie :D |
| 05:01.21 | kelvie | ? |
| 05:01.27 | Hydrant | is there a graphical installer for this thing yet? |
| 05:01.37 | kelvie | Hydrant: I asked a bit earlier and was told no |
| 05:01.39 | Dave | eh? |
| 05:01.50 | Dave | Oh, for the toolchain? |
| 05:01.54 | Hydrant | too bad |
| 05:02.01 | kelvie | yeah.. it shouldn't be terribly hard to write |
| 05:02.09 | rockstar | Anyone else here have AT&T? |
| 05:02.16 | Hydrant | hrrm... |
| 05:02.25 | kelvie | same with a volume controller |
| 05:02.31 | kelvie | it's just.. people haven't been writing them :P |
| 05:02.32 | Hydrant | how are apps going to have a uniform look / feel? Just by using the Qt widgets in the qtopia case? |
| 05:02.49 | Hydrant | it would be quick to throw things together with pyqt |
| 05:02.51 | kelvie | and I can't even get the toolchain working so I can't help :O |
| 05:02.57 | kelvie | yeah I saw a python-pyqt package |
| 05:03.01 | rivalarrival | My phone should be in Cleveland or Akron in the next hour or so, and in my hands by tomorrow afternoon! Yay! |
| 05:03.04 | kelvie | it is _really_ quick to throw things together in pyqt |
| 05:03.15 | Hydrant | sure is |
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| 05:03.25 | Dave | :P |
| 05:03.29 | kelvie | which is why I want to get this damn toolchain working :P |
| 05:03.31 | Dave | pypoo |
| 05:03.34 | Dave | haha |
| 05:03.40 | Dave | funny |
| 05:03.41 | chillywilly | I am not sure I actually have audio that works yet ;P |
| 05:03.54 | chillywilly | wasn't there some trick to getting audio to work with qtopia? |
| 05:03.57 | Hydrant | I don't want to spend too much time on this phone... I have my own FOSS project to worry about and have already spent much too much time on it ;-) |
| 05:04.04 | kelvie | Hydrant: same :/ |
| 05:04.08 | Dave | heh |
| 05:04.21 | Hydrant | but I |
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| 05:04.42 | Hydrant | I'm tempted to contribute something here and there as I need |
| 05:05.31 | kelvie | haha.. I just want to see emacs compiled and running on it :P |
| 05:05.37 | kelvie | I've heard various reports that it does and works fine |
| 05:05.43 | Hydrant | dang it |
| 05:05.50 | Hydrant | I installed assassin and can't find it |
| 05:05.51 | Hydrant | ah well |
| 05:06.05 | Hydrant | I have to wait for qtopia to get more stable I think and just leech the features off others |
| 05:06.19 | Hydrant | I've had like 4 people come up to me so far and say "WOW... is than an openmoko!" |
| 05:07.06 | AntonTakk | Hydrant: nice |
| 05:07.47 | AntonTakk | Hydrant: just think when it has software than can take full advantage of it's hardware |
| 05:07.57 | Hydrant | I agree |
| 05:08.01 | Hydrant | my biggest gripe is the keyboard |
| 05:08.14 | Hydrant | I got it now to help with the testing and to support the idea with cash |
| 05:08.31 | AntonTakk | imagines weeling the fr's vibrator pulse to let him know it has switched to silent mode as he approaches the movie theater :) |
| 05:08.46 | AntonTakk | feeling* |
| 05:09.43 | Hydrant | well, I gotta get to sleep... and get back to real work instead of playing with openmoko all day |
| 05:09.51 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 05:09.55 | Hydrant | 2 days (maybe 3) straight is good for now :-) |
| 05:10.08 | AntonTakk | same, can't by om hardware w/o keeping my job :) |
| 05:10.09 | nullpuppy | can you use dfu-util to create a backup of a current flash? |
| 05:10.21 | Hydrant | night |
| 05:10.29 | AntonTakk | you too |
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| 05:15.09 | nullpuppy | woot, there is |
| 05:15.12 | nullpuppy | -U |
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| 05:29.34 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r48cabebcf56a 10/src/server/phone/callscreen/semithemed/callscreen.cpp: [callscreen] Iconify the callscreen when someone clicks back and we have active calls |
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| 05:32.22 | Mokon00b | so how do I put ptopia on my freerunner |
| 05:32.29 | Mokon00b | err qtopia |
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| 05:40.18 | ljp | grab the image from qtopia.net and flash it |
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| 05:49.10 | wiml | looks like I'm not the only one whose opkg is unhappy because it can't find Packages.sig |
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| 05:52.22 | wiml | anyone know what the deal is with that? is there supposed to be a Packages.sig? |
| 05:53.22 | ernstabrams | do anyone know abaut espeak 1.37 armvt4 ? |
| 05:53.32 | bricode | wiml: You shouldn't need the .sigs |
| 05:53.43 | wiml | well |
| 05:53.52 | bricode | wiml: Just do an opkg install and it should work. |
| 05:53.54 | wiml | opkg will go ahead and download without them |
| 05:54.17 | wiml | but it seems like the .sigs OUGHT to be there |
| 05:54.30 | bricode | wiml: You'd think that. |
| 05:54.33 | wiml | blah blah security blah blah dns spoofing blah blah |
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| 05:55.27 | ernstabrams | navit on freerunner ? does it run ? |
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| 05:56.59 | ernstabrams | help |
| 05:58.01 | mjr | it does |
| 05:59.15 | ernstabrams | :mjr ? 0.4 ? |
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| 06:02.10 | mjr | what? probably any version you compile |
| 06:03.10 | ernstabrams | yes compile is my problem i mean ipk packages |
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| 06:08.44 | ieatlint | cross compiling is one of those things that makes you want to break something |
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| 06:10.56 | undrwater | any fix for failed sig check w/ opkg update? |
| 06:11.37 | mmontour | undrwater: just ignore it, from what I've heard |
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| 06:11.56 | undrwater | mmontour: the update is happening? |
| 06:12.13 | mmontour | apparantly |
| 06:12.13 | undrwater | ...despite the errors? |
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| 06:12.42 | wiml | heh, I just came here to ask the same question :) |
| 06:12.58 | ieatlint | ok, i'm updating the wiki :P |
| 06:13.18 | undrwater | thanks ieatlint |
| 06:13.47 | wiml | I'd be happier if the .sigs actually existed on the openmoko site |
| 06:13.51 | ieatlint | "At the moment, some signature files are missing, which opkg complains about, but this is cosmetic." ... already there |
| 06:13.58 | ieatlint | maybe i should make it more obvious |
| 06:14.11 | undrwater | yes please |
| 06:14.39 | undrwater | anyone else getting some kind of strange graphical element on the bottom of the screen? |
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| 06:16.42 | ieatlint | ok, if you miss it now, we get to mock you |
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| 06:19.02 | wiml | looks forward to being mocked for something |
| 06:19.13 | undrwater | ieatlint: much clearer...thanks!! :D |
| 06:21.23 | doc|home | argh |
| 06:21.26 | doc|home | you know what sucks? |
| 06:21.34 | ieatlint | yes |
| 06:21.35 | SpeedEvil | vacuum? |
| 06:21.39 | mmontour | UPS? |
| 06:21.41 | doc|home | when the document you used to track which person in your group paid you how much goes missing |
| 06:21.49 | doc|home | stabs n800 |
| 06:21.54 | ieatlint | lol |
| 06:22.00 | ieatlint | yeah, that's a problem |
| 06:22.07 | doc|home | :( |
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| 06:22.34 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: oops. |
| 06:22.35 | ieatlint | just send them all an email "Yeah, i lost the document i was using to track how much each of you paid, so i'm going to have to ask that you all pay again" |
| 06:22.47 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: no papertrail? |
| 06:22.54 | doc|home | ieatlint: hahaha |
| 06:23.28 | doc|home | SpeedEvil: some, I have records for 5 of them, working on the rest. I had cash in an envelope, no bank deposits for some :/ |
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| 06:24.29 | ieatlint | doc|home, here's the way to do it... just send the 5 you don't know a request to pay soon... if they paid, they'll reply and go "wtf?" |
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| 06:24.58 | doc|home | ieatlint: hehe, everyone paid something, I'm just not sure whether it was 400 or 450 :) |
| 06:25.16 | goodwill | ok, I can not get GPS to lock no matter what |
| 06:25.33 | ieatlint | do you have the sd card in it, goodwill? |
| 06:25.49 | ieatlint | and perhaps a local drop off place where i can leave my old junk and soiled clothing |
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| 06:26.16 | undrwater | goodwill: removed sd card? |
| 06:27.57 | goodwill | no sd card |
| 06:27.58 | undrwater | anyone tried the other images |
| 06:28.11 | goodwill | and still no fix |
| 06:28.53 | ieatlint | what gps app are you using? |
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| 06:29.17 | undrwater | later folks... |
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| 06:29.48 | ecraven | i tried without sd, fix in a minute or two. with sd, no fix, even after 30 minutes |
| 06:29.50 | fish_ | could someone clarify that: does the gps hw or software suck? ;) |
| 06:30.04 | SpeedEvil | GPS is currently affected by a problem when the SD is accessed - it seems to lose or find it very hard to obtain - lock on satellites. There is a patch to turn off the clock to SD when not using it, but accessing SD will still disturb GPS. There is a hardware fix, but how this can be applied to units in the field is unclear at the moment. |
| 06:30.10 | ieatlint | the hw is pretty decent |
| 06:30.38 | SpeedEvil | hw is broken and unfixable if you want to use SD and GPS together. |
| 06:31.01 | ajbrun | how come this wasn't found in testing? |
| 06:31.09 | fish_ | SpeedEvil: oh great :( |
| 06:31.13 | SpeedEvil | It may in some circumstances work, but at best it will lose lock, or not get it, or bounce around a lot in positions. |
| 06:31.29 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: because nobody thought to test it I guess. |
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| 06:31.59 | ajbrun | isn't using gps and sd card at the same time quite a major function though? |
| 06:31.59 | goodwill | I do not have an SD card in and still can not get a lock |
| 06:32.05 | fish_ | SpeedEvil: and this problem was not known when going into mass production? |
| 06:32.15 | SpeedEvil | However, it may be possible for people in assorted countries to setup for repairs, once they've checked out the fix. |
| 06:32.20 | ecraven | ajbrun: yes, if you have maps for a navigation program |
| 06:32.20 | beni_ | SpeedEvil: according to the mailing list there were GPS+SD tests |
| 06:32.21 | SpeedEvil | fish_: not known |
| 06:32.41 | SpeedEvil | there were tests - but the test fixture may have been applying a very strong signal. |
| 06:32.41 | beni_ | but they used, to speed up tests, no real GPS signal but a stronger faked one |
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| 06:32.47 | SpeedEvil | Which will have masked this |
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| 06:33.13 | SpeedEvil | Perhaps not even faked signal, maybe just amplified antenna. |
| 06:33.40 | goodwill | ok...no lock at all here |
| 06:33.44 | goodwill | and no SD card |
| 06:33.46 | ajbrun | i have a freerunner on order now - should i cancel and wait for a fix, or is this kind of thing going to take a while? |
| 06:33.48 | goodwill | any hellp |
| 06:34.00 | ecraven | goodwill: have you tried in a wide open space? |
| 06:34.00 | SpeedEvil | goodwill: you've taken it outside for seveal mins? |
| 06:34.05 | goodwill | yes |
| 06:34.10 | ecraven | does tangogps show any satellites? |
| 06:34.11 | goodwill | been walking around town |
| 06:34.13 | goodwill | nothing |
| 06:34.17 | ChandleWEi | If I would to use dfu-util, which flash I need to into nand flash or nor flash |
| 06:34.19 | SpeedEvil | see the antenna repair thingy in the topic |
| 06:34.29 | SpeedEvil | ChandleWEi: you can't flash nor flash |
| 06:34.37 | fish_ | SpeedEvil: what do you mean with 'assorted countries'? |
| 06:34.38 | SpeedEvil | ChandleWEi: at least - not without the debugboard |
| 06:34.40 | ecraven | stupid question, but did you turn the gps on? (hold the power button for the menu) |
| 06:34.46 | doc|home | ok, what's the best software right now :/ I know best is relative :/ |
| 06:35.00 | goodwill | SpeedEvil: /topic |
| 06:35.00 | thewtex_ | fish_: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community/17970 |
| 06:35.13 | ChandleWEi | SpeedEvil: I just would to flash my uboot, |
| 06:35.31 | ChandleWEi | SpeedEvil: how to do ? |
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| 06:36.19 | SpeedEvil | fish_: there have been comments from various OM personell that it might be possible for people to setup to do repairs to make the GPS work in various countries, rather than doing the shipping+customs thing again |
| 06:36.22 | ChandleWEi | SpeedEvil: I can't log into U-Boot in the NOR FLASH,"Press and hold the AUX button, then press and hold the Power button. Then, release the AUX button." |
| 06:36.40 | SpeedEvil | ChandleWEi: why do you want to mess with NOR flash? |
| 06:36.55 | ecraven | ChandleWEi: what i do is press the aux button first, then press the power button, then hold both until you get to the flash |
| 06:37.11 | goodwill | I even tried taking the cover off |
| 06:37.12 | fish_ | tenzind: thx |
| 06:37.14 | goodwill | no lock of any kind |
| 06:37.19 | goodwill | its always 99.9999 |
| 06:38.08 | ajbrun | thanks for the link thewtex_ :) |
| 06:38.10 | ajbrun | nn all |
| 06:38.11 | ChandleWEi | SpeedEvil: Someone tell me flash uboot can fix my apm problem |
| 06:38.26 | thewtex_ | ajbrun: np, nn |
| 06:38.44 | fish_ | SpeedEvil: so fixing it might be possible without changing the whole freerunner board? |
| 06:38.51 | SpeedEvil | ChandleWEi: I don't see how that can work. |
| 06:38.59 | doc|home | recommended image anyone? |
| 06:39.05 | SpeedEvil | fish_: yes - it seems possible it's a 'simple' repair. |
| 06:39.06 | SpeedEvil | fish: |
| 06:39.08 | mmontour | ChandleWEi: You said you can't log into the NOR u-boot. Can you access the NAND u-boot and boot into Linux? |
| 06:39.08 | goodwill | sighs |
| 06:39.27 | SpeedEvil | fish_: for someone skilled in the art of SMD repair. |
| 06:39.31 | fish_ | roh: do you will come to the icmp and fix my freerunner? =) |
| 06:39.54 | fish_ | SpeedEvil: ah okay, that sounds okay :) |
| 06:40.08 | ChandleWEi | mmontour: maybe just method different , reference http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 06:40.32 | goodwill | finally a fix |
| 06:40.32 | ChandleWEi | it say Press and hold the AUX button, then press and hold the Power button. Then, release the AUX button. ,and ecraven: ChandleWEi: what i do is press the aux button first, then press the power button, then hold both until you get to the flash |
| 06:40.33 | goodwill | !!! |
| 06:40.36 | ieatlint | SpeedEvil, yes, let us all have a moment of silence for those brave few who died in the art of SMD repair |
| 06:40.40 | goodwill | oh dear god I have a fix |
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| 06:41.18 | ecraven | congratulations ;) |
| 06:41.46 | mmontour | See bug #1568 - one person had a board where the NOR had not been programmed at the factory. |
| 06:42.38 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: I got a burn once. |
| 06:42.57 | ieatlint | yeah, i've at least 3 burns from soldering |
| 06:43.00 | ieatlint | scars, that is |
| 06:43.30 | faern | battlescar! |
| 06:43.30 | ieatlint | my girlfriend says she got me a really nice soldering iron for my birthday.. it's so exciting |
| 06:43.39 | doc|home | how do you find out the partition name? |
| 06:44.04 | goodwill | tangoGPS shows my loc!!! |
| 06:44.06 | goodwill | nice!!! |
| 06:44.29 | ieatlint | doc|home, the partition is called "root" methinks |
| 06:44.45 | doc|home | where'd you get that from? |
| 06:44.57 | ieatlint | well, it's /dev/root for a reason |
| 06:45.04 | Sebastian | The server hosting http://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile seems to be down. |
| 06:45.11 | ieatlint | the kernel will name devices like that based on the name of the partition |
| 06:45.15 | doc|home | I'm trying to flash the device for the first time using dfu-util |
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| 06:45.36 | ieatlint | oh |
| 06:45.41 | ieatlint | rootfs for the root partition |
| 06:45.58 | ieatlint | dfs-util -a rootfs -R -D blah.jffs2 |
| 06:46.15 | doc|home | .jffs2? not.bin like the wiki says? |
| 06:46.22 | ieatlint | the kernel is bin |
| 06:46.28 | doc|home | ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin is the wiki example |
| 06:46.33 | ieatlint | dfs-util -a kernel -R -D uImage...bin |
| 06:46.39 | ieatlint | rootfs is jffs2 |
| 06:46.40 | doc|home | ah, I see |
| 06:46.47 | doc|home | will do kernel first |
| 06:47.25 | ieatlint | congrats on getting your FR |
| 06:47.34 | ieatlint | welcome to the insanity |
| 06:47.40 | doc|home | :( |
| 06:47.48 | ieatlint | no, it's a fun insanity |
| 06:47.52 | doc|home | is it? :/ |
| 06:48.01 | doc|home | what's the battery life like on the official images now? |
| 06:49.00 | nullpuppy | SpeedEvil: so.. theres a hw bug for gps... is there a description of the reported fix anywhere? |
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| 06:49.13 | ieatlint | i charge it everywhere i go so it never gets low... my guess is 6-12 hours |
| 06:49.13 | doc|home | nullpuppy: mailing lists |
| 06:49.16 | nullpuppy | kk |
| 06:52.13 | beni_ | does listening to mp3s already work stable? |
| 06:53.02 | doc|home | man, flashing is slow |
| 06:54.06 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 06:54.46 | goodwill | does anyone know how to turn off the clicky sound? |
| 06:55.41 | ernstabrams | no only stop pulseaudiod |
| 06:55.56 | ieatlint | no, don't stop pulse |
| 06:56.02 | ieatlint | /etc/pulse/session |
| 06:56.05 | ernstabrams | or delete the wav |
| 06:56.11 | ieatlint | comment out the line that says load-sample touchscreen /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/touchscreen_click.wav |
| 06:56.15 | ieatlint | reboot the phone |
| 06:58.05 | ieatlint | you could also replace the wav with something far more annoying |
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| 06:58.28 | goodwill | ieatlint: thank you |
| 06:58.36 | goodwill | ieatlint: I commented it out and restarted pulse |
| 06:59.17 | Railer | hey! friday i get mine baby! |
| 07:00.12 | Railer | hey I dont need the dboard to load up simple games like sokudu, or do I? |
| 07:00.15 | goodwill | Railer: me have FR!!! |
| 07:00.18 | goodwill | 2 days now |
| 07:00.33 | Railer | goodwill where you at? |
| 07:00.44 | goodwill | LA |
| 07:00.48 | goodwill | Cali |
| 07:00.59 | Railer | im in canada, customs slowed me down :( |
| 07:01.05 | goodwill | sorry man!!! |
| 07:01.17 | Railer | well a couple more days |
| 07:01.46 | ieatlint | customs slow, eh? |
| 07:02.04 | Railer | are you sorry that I don't have the phone or you sorry that I live in Canada? |
| 07:02.25 | Railer | well and the shipping is longer |
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| 07:02.31 | ieatlint | neither, i just like to affectionately make fun of canada |
| 07:02.32 | goodwill | the phone bit |
| 07:02.35 | goodwill | canada is nice |
| 07:02.38 | ieatlint | or canuckland, as it is better known |
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| 07:03.07 | Railer | when it's -40 here I wish I lived in LA |
| 07:03.16 | ieatlint | ever been to la |
| 07:03.20 | ieatlint | because, la sucks |
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| 07:04.24 | Railer | So whats the story on installing python games and apps? Do i need the dBoard? |
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| 07:04.33 | ieatlint | no |
| 07:04.42 | ieatlint | opkg install python, if it doesn't already have it |
| 07:05.02 | ieatlint | might require some tweaking and some additional libraries, all of which are likely in opkg's repositories |
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| 07:05.22 | Railer | sweet, have to learn pyton over holidays, look easy enough, make some retro games |
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| 07:06.10 | ChandleWEi | mmontour: I try again , but alos can't log into the NOR u-boot, but I can access NAND u-boot and boot into Linux |
| 07:07.33 | ChandleWEi | I think http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner log into u-boot picture is reverse |
| 07:08.32 | ChandleWEi | How to log into NOR flash whether is Press and hold the AUX button, then press and hold the Power button. Then, release the AUX button or not ? |
| 07:08.37 | ieatlint | actually it's the titles methinks |
| 07:08.53 | ieatlint | damnit, i always forget which is which |
| 07:08.59 | ieatlint | aux then power is what you want |
| 07:09.03 | ieatlint | power then aux is the backup |
| 07:10.47 | ChandleWEi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:12.12 | ChandleWEi | ieatlint:whether just Press and hold the AUX button, then press and hold the Power button.or then release the aux button. |
| 07:12.31 | nullpuppy | press and hold aux |
| 07:12.39 | nullpuppy | then press and hold power (with aux held down) |
| 07:12.50 | nullpuppy | 2-3secs and you should get the uboot menu |
| 07:12.52 | ieatlint | hold aux for a second, hold power and release aux |
| 07:13.16 | doc|home | hmmm, what am I missing to see usb0? |
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| 07:13.37 | ieatlint | you running on osx doc? |
| 07:13.40 | doc|home | usbview shows a RNDIS/Ethernet gadget |
| 07:13.45 | doc|home | ieatlint: ! |
| 07:13.48 | doc|home | ieatlint: linux |
| 07:13.55 | ieatlint | gentoo? ;) |
| 07:14.10 | doc|home | yep :) |
| 07:14.15 | ieatlint | the phone booted up? |
| 07:14.19 | doc|home | yup |
| 07:14.28 | ieatlint | ifconfig usb0 says no such device? |
| 07:14.38 | doc|home | usb0: unknown interface: No such device |
| 07:14.50 | ieatlint | i had it too... need to compile a couple modules in the kernel |
| 07:14.54 | doc|home | oh arse |
| 07:14.58 | doc|home | ok, something for tomorrow |
| 07:14.59 | doc|home | night |
| 07:15.05 | ieatlint | ok, goodnight |
| 07:15.11 | doc|home | thanks |
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| 07:17.10 | ChandleWEi | I can't log into nor flash |
| 07:17.32 | doc|home | pressing and holding aux while pressing and holding power? |
| 07:17.40 | doc|home | trying sim |
| 07:18.11 | ChandleWEi | doc|home: yes |
| 07:18.19 | doc|home | what's happening instead? |
| 07:18.30 | ChandleWEi | doc|home: then release aux |
| 07:18.39 | doc|home | hehe |
| 07:18.46 | doc|home | received sms! |
| 07:19.19 | ChandleWEi | doc|home: just get little 'po' voice |
| 07:19.40 | ieatlint | doc|home, for tomorrow... menuconfig... "device drivers" .. "network device support" .. "usb network adapters |
| 07:21.06 | ieatlint | cdc_ether is the module... no need to recompile the kernel |
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| 07:23.30 | ieatlint | i suppose i should add a reference to that in the wiki |
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| 07:24.15 | doc|home | ieatlint: thanks |
| 07:24.29 | doc|home | ChandleWEi: no idea, sorry :/ might be an idea to mail one of the lists if you get nothing here |
| 07:25.33 | doc|home | why is it so difficult to get to messages? |
| 07:25.51 | doc|home | click "4 new messages" text, up pops create new message dialog, and no way to get to messages |
| 07:25.57 | doc|home | clicking on folder icon gives nothing |
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| 07:26.44 | doc|home | every once in a while I'll get a glimpse of it, but then poof! it's gone |
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| 07:27.50 | kd8ikt | anyone test that SD/GPS kernel patch? |
| 07:30.53 | walrustown | is that the patch that changes the GPS voltage from 3 to 3.2 V ? |
| 07:30.59 | goodwill | yeah |
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| 07:31.15 | nullpuppy | aww |
| 07:31.17 | kd8ikt | does it fix the GPS's inablility to grab a fix |
| 07:31.26 | walrustown | I haven't tested it |
| 07:31.28 | nullpuppy | so, yeah, get GPS fix in 218s w/o SD card |
| 07:31.33 | nullpuppy | no fix with SD card |
| 07:31.45 | nullpuppy | using daily kernel and 2007.2 from today |
| 07:31.50 | walrustown | I got a fix with SD card in like 20 minutes |
| 07:32.07 | nullpuppy | at 14m with SD card right now |
| 07:32.22 | nullpuppy | i'll let it sit overnight and see what happens |
| 07:32.34 | walrustown | I'm confused how they let the phone out the door with such a serious flaw |
| 07:32.39 | nomeata | Hi. I’m running MokoMakefile right now, but it seems that rm_work does not kick in. Shouldn’t that run before any "NOTE: package install-native-0.1: completed" |
| 07:32.49 | nullpuppy | walrustown: dunno :/ it happens |
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| 07:33.25 | nullpuppy | it sucks, doesn't bother me too much, really, though |
| 07:33.29 | vpv | they tested with an artificial gps signal, which was apparently a bit too strong compared to everyday use |
| 07:33.49 | walrustown | how hard would it have been to have one guy go outside and test the gps? |
| 07:33.58 | walrustown | I understand the artificial signal for inside the factory |
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| 07:34.41 | walrustown | But before they ramped up production -- they didn't even give the hardware a good run-through? |
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| 07:35.49 | nullpuppy | walrustown: *shrugs* even then, they still may not have noticed the issue |
| 07:35.57 | nullpuppy | there have been people that haven't had a problem |
| 07:36.10 | walrustown | I guess |
| 07:36.30 | walrustown | but it seems like an *awful lot* of other phones get shipped without bad hardware flaws |
| 07:36.49 | nullpuppy | *shrugs* |
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| 07:36.56 | nullpuppy | its still a new design in a lot of ways |
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| 07:37.24 | nullpuppy | it takes time, they may offer factory servicing to fix the issue given the number of people bitching about it |
| 07:37.33 | wiml | the Howto_Test_Your_GPS_with_agpsui page suggests someone might want to know how quickly my gta02 got a fix even if it seems to be working fine |
| 07:37.41 | nullpuppy | and if not, it'll likely be fixed for the next run *shrugs* |
| 07:38.03 | wiml | but it doesn't say who :) |
| 07:38.18 | walrustown | I hope they offer something... I bought the FR thinking that they had worked this stuff out in the 1973 |
| 07:38.42 | nullpuppy | the way i look at it, the problem will be rectified one way or the other. complaining about it isn't gonna help much if I can't offer info for why it doesn't work |
| 07:39.03 | nullpuppy | walrustown: parts of it, sure, but shit still happens. |
| 07:39.15 | nullpuppy | its on the the 2nd major revision |
| 07:39.46 | nullpuppy | and with the amount of stuff being shoved in the enclosure, well.. unexpected bugs do happen |
| 07:40.05 | ChandleWEi | have anyway to check why can't start nor flash? |
| 07:40.17 | nullpuppy | ChandleWEi: what happens when you try to start it? |
| 07:40.23 | ieatlint | i've heard at least one person with a test unit that says the gps/sd issue isn't present |
| 07:40.39 | kd8ikt | i hope that happens to me |
| 07:40.49 | nullpuppy | ieatlint: *nods* |
| 07:40.54 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 07:41.02 | kd8ikt | like winning the lotto |
| 07:41.04 | nullpuppy | it very well could have been a problem that wasn't apparent until mass production too |
| 07:41.08 | nullpuppy | something got fucked up |
| 07:41.14 | walrustown | yeah that could be |
| 07:41.23 | ieatlint | shit happens, and openmoko/fic is the LAST one to want to hear there's a bug, because it'll cost them the most |
| 07:41.25 | kd8ikt | maybe its still an antenna issue? |
| 07:41.40 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy: I would to flash my uboot |
| 07:41.41 | kd8ikt | compounded by the SD |
| 07:41.41 | nullpuppy | ieatlint: exactly, but if there is one, they want to know about it so they can fix it |
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| 07:42.00 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy: but I can't start it |
| 07:42.00 | nullpuppy | ChandleWEi: ok... what happens when you try and boot into NOR uboot? |
| 07:42.17 | goodwill | lets face it, this is better response then what you'll get with other products |
| 07:42.17 | nullpuppy | ChandleWEi: you CANNOT flash NOR uboot without a debug board, you can flash NAND flash, however... |
| 07:42.22 | walrustown | my main concern is that if there is an actual hardware flaw that I can't fix, I don't want to swallow the $400 I paid for the hardware that I thought would be useable |
| 07:42.30 | goodwill | and we all knew this is still a dev edition |
| 07:42.49 | goodwill | OM gets egg on face...learns something |
| 07:42.59 | nullpuppy | walrustown: its one piece thats partially broken, i don't see that as being a waste |
| 07:43.08 | nullpuppy | you're supporting the development of the platform |
| 07:43.11 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy:I just would log into nor flash |
| 07:43.18 | nullpuppy | ChandleWEi: ok, can you? |
| 07:43.19 | walrustown | nullpuppy: yeah I guess |
| 07:43.30 | goodwill | pretty much everyone knows that OM is nto yet consumer ready |
| 07:43.52 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy: I try severals but I can't log into nor flash. |
| 07:43.56 | nullpuppy | right. the hardware is *almost* there |
| 07:44.02 | nullpuppy | ChandleWEi: ok, what happens when you try? |
| 07:44.03 | kd8ikt | nah one guy came in here the other day talking about "commercial" crap |
| 07:44.19 | kd8ikt | remember? |
| 07:44.39 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy :I Press and hold the AUX button, then press and hold the Power button. Then, release the AUX button.but nothing happen |
| 07:44.47 | kd8ikt | ggrep through the logs if you got em |
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| 07:45.15 | kd8ikt | i've been having a whale of a time flipping through the mailing list mails |
| 07:45.23 | nullpuppy | ChandleWEi: hold both until it boots |
| 07:45.37 | nullpuppy | the aux button should blink red, then about 1sec later it should boot |
| 07:45.53 | kd8ikt | unless the battery is completely dead |
| 07:46.03 | nullpuppy | true |
| 07:46.20 | kd8ikt | and i ead something about it not charging when completely dead |
| 07:46.24 | kd8ikt | read* |
| 07:46.33 | nullpuppy | from usb at least |
| 07:46.37 | nullpuppy | wall charger should be fine |
| 07:46.40 | kd8ikt | oh |
| 07:46.42 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy:don't hold aux hold power release aux,just both hold aux and power? |
| 07:47.05 | Karrde | Has anyone else encountered a bug with FR where it feels like AltGr is on, ie. key 7 gives {, 8 gives [ and so on? |
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| 07:47.07 | nullpuppy | ChandleWEi: correct, press and hold aux, then press and hold power and hold both until it boots |
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| 07:47.15 | nullpuppy | Karrde: yup |
| 07:47.24 | ecraven | Karrde: yes, but no idea how to fix it |
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| 07:47.26 | admiral0 | hi... any news about the gps bug? |
| 07:47.27 | nullpuppy | Karrde: it magically fixed itself for me though |
| 07:47.29 | nullpuppy | no idea how to fix it |
| 07:47.44 | mw| | ecraven: do you know where the source-code for the query-keyboard is located? |
| 07:47.53 | ecraven | mw|: no, sorry |
| 07:47.55 | kd8ikt | then jump down shake around pick a bail of cotton |
| 07:48.01 | nullpuppy | admiral0: sounds like probably hw bug with SD card interference |
| 07:48.18 | nullpuppy | some might just be software though |
| 07:48.19 | goodwill | personally I think the hardware needs a bit improvment. No loop, camera, and a removable stylus |
| 07:48.23 | Karrde | And it is not only in 2007.2 for I have also encountered in ASU |
| 07:48.23 | admiral0 | ^^ solutions? |
| 07:48.38 | goodwill | also better buttons |
| 07:48.39 | nullpuppy | admiral0: apparently some info on the ml's |
| 07:48.42 | nomeata | ah, ok, make build-package-<package name> on an empty moko dir will build everything, but not rm_work it. This happens rather with commands like make openmoko-feed |
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| 07:48.48 | goodwill | but all in all this release is pretty good |
| 07:48.49 | mw| | ecraven: any idea who might know? I don't bother to install it unless I have the possibilty to look at the source-code and perhaps even fix it |
| 07:48.55 | nullpuppy | admiral0: if you don't need SD card.. you should be able to get a fix by simply removing the SD card |
| 07:49.18 | nullpuppy | if you still can't, then i'm not sure at the moment |
| 07:49.32 | admiral0 | nullpuppy: i need the sd card for the maps |
| 07:49.42 | nullpuppy | nods |
| 07:49.42 | ecraven | mw|: it's called multitap-pad, it should be in the source tree.. a minute |
| 07:50.47 | admiral0 | nullpuppy: you surely know more than me... what's the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP about? |
| 07:50.57 | mw| | multitap-pad it openmoko thingy, but the querty keyboard thingy (but if it happens with multitap aswell, the problem isn't in that keyboard then) |
| 07:51.21 | beni_ | admiral0: some FR devices have a problem with the internal antenna connector |
| 07:51.27 | beni_ | but thats a different problem |
| 07:51.30 | nullpuppy | admiral0: i think someone had a loose antennae and reconnecting it fixed it |
| 07:51.32 | ecraven | mw|: oh, i had the problem with multitap-pad.. i don't know how to get a better keyboard ;( |
| 07:52.05 | admiral0 | @$* i hope mine won't have this problem... |
| 07:52.21 | swc|666 | w00t .. finally got icewm on debian sid for microsd boot |
| 07:52.31 | nullpuppy | i've got the SD card problem :/ get a fix pretty quickly without SD card in |
| 07:52.38 | kd8ikt | i'm flipping through the kernel source but i cant find jack thats moko specific |
| 07:53.26 | admiral0 | thank you for the info... |
| 07:53.29 | admiral0 | bye |
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| 07:54.07 | mw| | kd8ikt: kernel source.. with an editor or menuconfig ? |
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| 07:54.19 | kd8ikt | file browsing |
| 07:54.32 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy: I hold one minute but nothing happen ,have other way to check it |
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| 07:56.13 | kd8ikt | just grabbed the git like an hour ago |
| 07:56.58 | nullpuppy | ChandleWEi: does it power up at all if you just hold down power? |
| 07:57.37 | mw| | kd8ikt: did you change the branche ? |
| 07:58.21 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rbcc114ead8c1 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [qtopia/srcrev] Increase the SRCREV, remove the "active call" desktop entry |
| 07:58.31 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8a8b1ed2f7a7 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [qtopia/srcrev] Increase the SRCREV, remove the "active call" desktop entry |
| 07:58.58 | kd8ikt | i dunno i think i need sleep i have to drive from cinci to lexington KY today and its nearly 4AM |
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| 07:59.08 | kd8ikt | pickin up my moko! |
| 07:59.19 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy: yes |
| 08:00.06 | nullpuppy | ChandleWEi: ok, then either you somehow got a phone without NOR properly flashed (in which case contact openmoko, or get a dboard) or you're doing something wrong |
| 08:00.27 | kd8ikt | yeah i've heard that some slip by without nor flashed |
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| 08:01.02 | kd8ikt | or find a local moko user to help ya flash it with dboard |
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| 08:02.09 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy: before it power up ok but now it can't power up ,if I just hold power button |
| 08:03.26 | nullpuppy | you probably need to charge it then |
| 08:03.31 | nullpuppy | battery is probably dead |
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| 08:04.11 | kd8ikt | plug her into the wallwart |
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| 08:05.42 | nullpuppy | ok, now i need to head to bed |
| 08:05.51 | nullpuppy | i'd stay and offer more help if i could |
| 08:05.57 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy: now I remove battery and then insert battery it power up when just press power |
| 08:06.09 | nullpuppy | ok... |
| 08:06.31 | kd8ikt | yay |
| 08:06.38 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy: I just apm error so need tu update uboot |
| 08:06.45 | mw| | kd8ikt: did you get the PM ? |
| 08:07.04 | nullpuppy | ChandleWEi: are you sure you need to update uboot? who told you that? |
| 08:07.05 | kd8ikt | oh i'm on irssi lemmie flip through winderz |
| 08:10.31 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy: just in support@lists.openmoko.org,someone tell me to try new uboot |
| 08:10.42 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 08:10.47 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy:my apm always have showed me below messages |
| 08:10.47 | ChandleWEi | > > > root@om-gta02:/etc/opkg# apm |
| 08:10.47 | ChandleWEi | > > > Off-line, battery status critical |
| 08:10.47 | ChandleWEi | > > > |
| 08:10.47 | ChandleWEi | > > > and my apm --monitor always show |
| 08:10.47 | ChandleWEi | > > > Line : off |
| 08:10.49 | ChandleWEi | > > > Battery: -1% (?) |
| 08:11.05 | nullpuppy | if you can't get into NOR flash, then i think i'd recommend finding someone locally to help you |
| 08:11.37 | nullpuppy | are you pressing AUX then power? (holding both and not releasing either) from power off? |
| 08:12.21 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy: yes |
| 08:13.17 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy: first poweroff ,second press hold aux ,third press hold power, holding both and not relesing either |
| 08:13.33 | nullpuppy | then, as i said earlier, either you battery doesn't have a good enough charge, your NOR wasn't flashed properly at the factory, or your doing something wrong |
| 08:14.00 | nullpuppy | ChandleWEi: and when you do that NOTHING happens? |
| 08:14.12 | nullpuppy | no AUX LED flashing, nothing on the screen? |
| 08:14.30 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy: usb already have connected |
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| 08:14.47 | nullpuppy | ChandleWEi: that doesn't answer my question |
| 08:14.58 | Ainulindale | mickey|zzZZzz: question again, for later work :-) |
| 08:15.16 | Ainulindale | mickey|zzZZzz: If I try to set the pin code, and I have a BLOCKED exception |
| 08:15.33 | Ainulindale | If I then try to unlock the phone, given its right code |
| 08:15.44 | Ainulindale | What will be the result of a wrong PUK/PUK2 ? |
| 08:15.47 | Ainulindale | Blocked ? Failed ? |
| 08:15.55 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy: nothing happen |
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| 08:16.31 | nullpuppy | ChandleWEi: ok, then charge the battery for a bit and try again. if it still doesn't work, ask on support again or something |
| 08:16.31 | nullpuppy | i don't know :/ |
| 08:16.34 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy: nand flash ,I try again that is ok |
| 08:17.01 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy: thx your patient |
| 08:17.07 | nullpuppy | ChandleWEi: ok, it could be you'r NOR is blank then and you either need to send it back to be flashed or you need a debug board so you can do it yourself |
| 08:17.11 | nullpuppy | no prob |
| 08:18.12 | nullpuppy | ChandleWEi: good luck. i'm going to bed. |
| 08:18.14 | nullpuppy | night all |
| 08:18.26 | LionKMP | cya |
| 08:18.26 | ChandleWEi | nullpuppy: good night |
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| 08:26.36 | methril | morning |
| 08:26.52 | SpeedEvil | backs away from the light. |
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| 08:30.05 | ieatlint | natural light ... be afraid! |
| 08:30.06 | ieatlint | it burns |
| 08:30.09 | ieatlint | it causes cancer |
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| 08:30.43 | goodwill | tru, tru |
| 08:30.46 | Yasumoto | morning methril |
| 08:30.53 | ieatlint | and prevents rickets... |
| 08:31.04 | ieatlint | but rickets only gets you on disability |
| 08:31.07 | SpeedEvil | And causes crickets. |
| 08:31.39 | ieatlint | oh, no one likes cricket... it's worse than baseball |
| 08:31.48 | wiml | that's just not cricket |
| 08:33.39 | ieatlint | i must say, if you want to get an american a present that will truly perplex them, get them a cricket set |
| 08:36.36 | goodwill | oh my god....on top of everything...a cricket set too? |
| 08:37.29 | ieatlint | quiet, or i'll condemn you to a tdma cell network |
| 08:38.01 | goodwill | mutters |
| 08:38.37 | ieatlint | when i was 18, i worked in a small office building that had a cell tower on its roof... and we had root access |
| 08:38.48 | ieatlint | i always wanted to buy some wire mesh and wrap the tower with it |
| 08:39.09 | tessier | Did anyone ever figure out why opkg update gets 404 errors? |
| 08:39.11 | ieatlint | so many missed opportunities.. |
| 08:39.11 | alphabeat | ieatlint: what will that do? |
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| 08:39.16 | goodwill | ieatlint: you had root access to the tower? |
| 08:39.20 | fish_ | why there aren't daily builds anymore? |
| 08:39.28 | alphabeat | sudo roofaccess |
| 08:39.31 | ieatlint | bleh, roof access _Ü |
| 08:39.32 | ieatlint | :P |
| 08:39.33 | ieatlint | ach |
| 08:39.35 | goodwill | tessier: its the sig file...not being updated |
| 08:39.38 | tessier | sudo make me a sammich |
| 08:39.42 | BlackFog | hi |
| 08:39.47 | goodwill | ieatlint: hahahaa |
| 08:39.47 | tessier | goodwill: oh, the sig file gets 404's but not the actual package lists...ok |
| 08:39.51 | kd8ikt | anyswer my question! |
| 08:39.55 | kd8ikt | sudo answer my question! |
| 08:39.58 | alphabeat | hi BlackFrog |
| 08:39.59 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 08:40.15 | ieatlint | alphabeat, and wrapping an antenna with wire mesh will block RF |
| 08:40.22 | alphabeat | ah right ;) |
| 08:40.25 | goodwill | I am going to to play the open moko games right in front of iphone friend tomorrow |
| 08:40.29 | fish_ | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080717/ <- thats the last daily builded snapshot.. |
| 08:40.32 | goodwill | just to bug him |
| 08:40.45 | ieatlint | so basically i could take out the cell tower without causing any damage |
| 08:40.48 | kd8ikt | need to make some accellerometer apps |
| 08:40.53 | kd8ikt | like labrynth |
| 08:41.14 | ieatlint | i keep meaning to make a test accelerometer app |
| 08:41.23 | goodwill | ieatlint: you should just hacked in and rerouted some calls |
| 08:41.28 | goodwill | ieatlint: mesh, shmesh |
| 08:41.43 | kd8ikt | even just a 3d cube with like beads inside that fall towards the dround |
| 08:41.50 | ieatlint | goodwill, i lacked the technical expertise at the time... at the time i was a linux novice |
| 08:41.56 | alphabeat | ieatlint: or some greek watergate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_telephone_tapping_case_2004-2005 |
| 08:42.02 | ieatlint | i had finally learned out to exit vi only weeks before |
| 08:42.05 | goodwill | ieatlint: it does not run linux either I bet |
| 08:42.12 | kd8ikt | :q |
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| 08:42.17 | goodwill | ieatlint: use emacs... |
| 08:42.20 | goodwill | runs |
| 08:42.24 | alphabeat | heh |
| 08:42.49 | ieatlint | emacs .. is bulky |
| 08:43.03 | ieatlint | it's like using a sledge hammer on a nail |
| 08:43.19 | ieatlint | only you have to press 10 keys in order to swing the hammer |
| 08:43.25 | ieatlint | 15 if you want to get the correct amount of force |
| 08:43.31 | goodwill | ieatlint: not if you always keep it open and do your own shortcuts |
| 08:43.33 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r4533 10/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta02/capturehandset.state: |
| 08:43.33 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Add capturehandset.state courtsey Christian Kuester <c.kuester AT tarent.de> |
| 08:43.33 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Add state files to capture audio from the internal mic. |
| 08:43.33 | alphabeat | Mx Mhammer will solve that |
| 08:43.52 | ieatlint | i'm a vi guy |
| 08:43.58 | goodwill | ieatlint: http://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 08:44.53 | ieatlint | alas, the FR lacks ed |
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| 08:45.26 | wiml | but ed is the STANDARD! |
| 08:45.45 | tessier | Mr Ed? |
| 08:45.57 | goodwill | the current keyboard has Escape too |
| 08:46.00 | HauDyrArb | C-x M-c M-butterfly |
| 08:46.01 | goodwill | you could not use it |
| 08:46.05 | wiml | http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html |
| 08:46.49 | ieatlint | gnu and fun? ... right.. |
| 08:46.57 | goodwill | meh... |
| 08:46.59 | goodwill | gnu is good |
| 08:47.07 | goodwill | bsd, shmiesd |
| 08:47.11 | goodwill | and look what apple did to it |
| 08:47.12 | ieatlint | gnu is good, but not fun :P |
| 08:47.15 | tessier | When I do an opkg upgrade now X dies and I have to power it off. |
| 08:47.15 | wiml | it's an old usenet post. gnu just holds a copy. |
| 08:47.30 | goodwill | flipping stole freebsd, added their crap and locked it down |
| 08:47.41 | goodwill | flipping narcisists |
| 08:47.48 | goodwill | do not even contribute back |
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| 08:48.02 | goodwill | you just watch, they will kill cups too |
| 08:48.15 | wiml | "Note the consistent user interface and error reportage." <--- my favorite line |
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| 08:54.59 | ieatlint | hey, the new xkcd comic is a penis joke... yay! |
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| 09:11.09 | Wander_w | about the roof access to the cell antenna: put a RF shield on it that rotates around the antenna: People would have conversations like this: "hey dave could you get me ..... . . for you wife's...... in the hole?" |
| 09:11.34 | Wander_w | A total block is to obvious and detected to soon |
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| 09:16.48 | Elleo | has anyone had any luck with GPRS on the freerunner? |
| 09:17.14 | ecraven | someone here said it worked |
| 09:19.16 | Elleo | hmm, all I ever get is errors saying the connect script failed (after following the manually using gprs wiki page) |
| 09:19.42 | Elleo | there were a couple of posts on the list with other people having the same issue, but no mention of what they were doing wrong |
| 09:19.46 | ieatlint | i've gotten as far as the ppp session attempting to get an ip but failing |
| 09:20.09 | kd8ikt | damnit jim i'm a doctor not a software engineer |
| 09:20.19 | ieatlint | basically, gsmd manages the gsm modem's tty for sms/telephony |
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| 09:20.40 | ieatlint | in order to use gprs, pppd need to use the tty... and such, gsmd must be stopped (thus, stopping all sms/telephony) |
| 09:20.53 | ieatlint | but gsmd also registers you to the gsm network |
| 09:21.06 | ieatlint | so you need a special chat script that registers your sim to the network |
| 09:21.14 | ieatlint | (which is on the wiki) |
| 09:21.20 | Elleo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS <-- I've followed this, which switches off gsm |
| 09:21.28 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 09:22.02 | Elleo | and I've tried using the chat script suggested there (with changed apn) and an old one I used to use with my phone over bluetooth |
| 09:22.02 | tessier | GPRS is just ppp over gsm? Wow. |
| 09:22.11 | ieatlint | yeah, gprs is ppp |
| 09:22.17 | Elleo | but without any luck |
| 09:22.21 | ieatlint | you dial the number *99# even, nothing more |
| 09:22.38 | ieatlint | (try dialing that number from the dialer, hehe) |
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| 09:24.19 | ieatlint | one sec, i'll post a log from pppd |
| 09:25.39 | ieatlint | http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/gprs.txt |
| 09:25.59 | ieatlint | it would appear that i am trying to auth |
| 09:26.16 | ieatlint | and failing ... even though "noauth" is specified in my options |
| 09:27.51 | ieatlint | perhaps i should setup auth and feed it a bogus l/p... since my provider has no authentication, but almost seems to be challenging for one |
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| 09:30.44 | ieatlint | oooh, that did it |
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| 09:31.02 | ieatlint | yay... i am online via gprs |
| 09:31.30 | swc|666 | any ideas on how i can get the kernel headers for the latest kernel? |
| 09:32.26 | ieatlint | 4-6KBps |
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| 09:36.27 | kd8ikt | cool beans |
| 09:37.38 | ieatlint | okay, i created a file on my server that is exactly 1MB... downloading it and timing the download to get an accurate speed gauge |
| 09:40.04 | Elleo | aha, got it working :) |
| 09:40.16 | Elleo | thanks |
| 09:40.16 | khorben | hey |
| 09:40.21 | Elleo | just needed to fiddle with the chat script |
| 09:40.57 | ieatlint | okay, 1MB downloaded in exactly 3 minutes, 14.52 seconds (no dns lookup) for an average speed of 5.26KBps |
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| 09:43.49 | ieatlint | i think the max is around 48kbit... i pulled 42kbit since i've only mediocre signal strength |
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| 09:45.27 | ieatlint | latency is around 600 with spikes to 800+ (round trip) ... which is standard for gprs/edge/umts |
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| 09:47.14 | zedstar | yeh the latency sux a bit and has high variance |
| 09:47.32 | ieatlint | yeah, i've been tethering my phone to a laptop for years |
| 09:47.38 | ieatlint | just doing the standard tests :P |
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| 09:50.08 | ieatlint | i feel like it's 2003 again when i first tethered a phone to my laptop |
| 09:50.16 | ieatlint | suddenly 5KBps didn't seem so slow |
| 09:51.47 | fish_ | well, 5KBps is better than nothing when you need internet somewhere for something |
| 09:51.57 | ieatlint | over a 3MB download, 5.133KBps average... so i'd say 5KBps with a 600ms latency is what to expect |
| 09:52.03 | fish_ | well, voip would be the absolute killerapp ;) |
| 09:52.16 | ieatlint | voip is still useful for wifi |
| 09:52.21 | fish_ | ieatlint: whats your max up+down combined? |
| 09:52.25 | ieatlint | but for gprs... doubt it |
| 09:52.32 | ieatlint | haven't tried upload |
| 09:52.38 | zedstar | remember uses a 1200/75 baud modem and didnt know it was slow :) |
| 09:52.43 | fish_ | _should_ be possible... |
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| 09:53.11 | kd8ikt | got my asterisk server up and running |
| 09:53.20 | ieatlint | tries to think of something he quickly do to test upload |
| 09:53.35 | kd8ikt | scp |
| 09:53.59 | ieatlint | scp isn't valid |
| 09:54.03 | ieatlint | the encryption is an overhead |
| 09:54.08 | kd8ikt | sftp |
| 09:54.16 | ieatlint | and the KBps stats are reported by throughput of actual data |
| 09:54.22 | ieatlint | sftp is essentially scp |
| 09:55.15 | kd8ikt | netcat |
| 09:55.27 | jonsmith1982 | so what are the main problem with the neo freerunner at the moment? |
| 09:55.33 | jonsmith1982 | problems |
| 09:55.38 | zedstar | u can also try ttcp if u wanna look at tcp throughput |
| 09:55.39 | HauDyrArb | my first modem was an 14.4, later i got an 38.4 and after some time my frind got ISDN then i could enherit his 54k. that were the days 4k/sec down what a speed |
| 09:56.03 | ieatlint | right now i've an unroutable ip |
| 09:56.17 | ieatlint | 14.4 was my first too :) |
| 09:56.22 | HauDyrArb | 38.4 -> 33.6 |
| 09:56.25 | zedstar | youngsters ;) |
| 09:56.39 | ieatlint | 28.8k jump was so exciting |
| 09:56.44 | kd8ikt | http://oreilly.com/pub/h/1058 |
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| 09:57.58 | kd8ikt | just swap the < > |
| 09:58.22 | kd8ikt | might still work |
| 09:59.03 | ieatlint | it may |
| 09:59.06 | ieatlint | will try |
| 09:59.45 | fish_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.729 <- with codes like that, voip over gprs seams to be absolute possible |
| 09:59.51 | fish_ | s/codes/codecs/ |
| 10:00.02 | fish_ | coooool |
| 10:00.28 | Ainulindale | mickey|zzZZzz: I have a bunch of other questions |
| 10:00.37 | fish_ | s/o*/oo/ |
| 10:00.48 | HauDyrArb | when i used modem it was the time were you always looked at the clock, but after some time i just accepted that an internet session were around 2 hours or around 3EUR |
| 10:01.17 | ieatlint | it goes |
| 10:01.46 | effbiai | i've bin testing the gps a bit now.. do anyone know why i can get a fix when the microSD card is not inside the phone.. and when i take it out, i'm getting a fix in less than 1min? |
| 10:02.02 | Ainulindale | effbiai: Read the ML. |
| 10:02.12 | ieatlint | effbiai, read your own sentence |
| 10:02.17 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 10:02.26 | kd8ikt | *cant* |
| 10:02.39 | effbiai | does it block th signals? |
| 10:02.51 | kd8ikt | gremlins |
| 10:02.51 | ieatlint | no, it doesn't block |
| 10:02.55 | ieatlint | it creates interference |
| 10:03.04 | ieatlint | like trying to listen to the radio under power lines |
| 10:03.05 | effbiai | ah, okay |
| 10:03.14 | effbiai | yeh, i know what inteference is |
| 10:03.24 | kd8ikt | ah but how to stop it |
| 10:03.35 | jonsmith1982 | so would that be a hardware bug never to be fixed on this version? |
| 10:03.36 | ieatlint | chain saw works for the power lines |
| 10:03.44 | kd8ikt | drop in ferrite |
| 10:03.52 | ljp | even with an antenna? |
| 10:04.07 | ieatlint | there are both software and hardware fixes in the mi |
| 10:04.08 | ieatlint | x |
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| 10:04.35 | ieatlint | i hear a software fix is already available... turns off the sd card while the gps gets its fix and then turns it back on (one you have a fix, it keeps it quite well) |
| 10:05.04 | bobkare | ieatlint: wrong, what it does is turn the sd card clock off when it's idle |
| 10:05.08 | ieatlint | no specifics on what the hardware fix entails, openmoko/fic are keeping it mum until they test it thoroughly |
| 10:05.21 | ieatlint | ok, i am wrong, what he said |
| 10:05.39 | ieatlint | just the same, i'll spite you for pointing out i'm wrong ... you'll see :P |
| 10:05.54 | bobkare | *shiver* |
| 10:06.48 | ieatlint | i will smite you, and you will be ... err, whatever the simple past participle of "to smite" is |
| 10:07.11 | ieatlint | smoten maybe.. |
| 10:07.30 | kd8ikt | hm, did it even pass fcc emissions standards? |
| 10:07.34 | bobkare | smitten? |
| 10:07.38 | ieatlint | fucking confusing english |
| 10:07.43 | ieatlint | no, smitten is something else i think |
| 10:07.59 | ieatlint | like, i'm smitten with my girlfriend |
| 10:08.09 | bobkare | hah, yeah, right. |
| 10:08.37 | ieatlint | ok, upload average over 1MB is 2.64KBps |
| 10:08.48 | bobkare | kd8ikt: it's not all that much noise, the gps signals are really weak |
| 10:08.53 | ieatlint | or about 21kbit... so 24kbit is probably the perfect |
| 10:09.27 | ieatlint | running it again to see if it differs |
| 10:09.50 | ieatlint | heh, apparently smitten is a past participle of to smite |
| 10:09.52 | ieatlint | so it smit |
| 10:10.09 | ieatlint | you will be smit, you will have been smitten ... i think |
| 10:10.21 | ieatlint | as i said, fucking english.. |
| 10:10.23 | bobkare | wtf |
| 10:10.24 | jonsmith1982 | how do you go about getting hardware fixes anyway? could some one give me an example? |
| 10:10.39 | ieatlint | i smote you... i will smite you |
| 10:10.39 | roh | ieatlint if you wanna try: http://people.openmoko.org/werner/uImage-andy-20080716 should have the sw-fixes |
| 10:10.42 | bobkare | jonsmith1982: that would depend on the hardware fix |
| 10:10.56 | roh | some more double-blind testing with MP devices cannot mean harm |
| 10:11.02 | ieatlint | roh, oh, i'm on my 4th beer... trying code will have to wait |
| 10:11.11 | roh | ieatlint hrhr |
| 10:13.31 | jonsmith1982 | if its not a DIY job then, you basically have to fork out more cash? and maybe send off the phone for so long? |
| 10:13.44 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r9a0ffef3e130 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/ (gsm.py ophoned.py protocol.py test.py): ophoned works better now |
| 10:13.44 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r96dce7f0b78f 10/tests/ (tasklet.py test.py): More tests |
| 10:14.13 | kd8ikt | anyone try that image yet? |
| 10:16.46 | effbiai | i've tested it.. but not in a while |
| 10:19.31 | kd8ikt | bobkare: fyi last i checked any elecronic device needs to be FCC approved before sale/marketing |
| 10:20.24 | kd8ikt | there seems to also be a conv about it in the ML |
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| 10:21.02 | bobkare | kd8ikt: they have at least gotten an fcc id thingy to stamp on it so i would assume it passes |
| 10:23.42 | kd8ikt | ok back to fixing the darn GPS /SDcard RFI |
| 10:25.05 | Ainulindale | fixing ? |
| 10:25.07 | swc|666 | has anyone built a kernel for the FR? |
| 10:25.34 | kd8ikt | i could right ow if i so wished |
| 10:27.15 | swc|666 | i'm a bit confused as to the process... i've chekced out the git from git.openmoko.org (git clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git linux-2.6) ...switched to a branch (stable) and have applied the quilt from the SVN patchset.. |
| 10:28.00 | swc|666 | it doesnt seem as if the patches were applied as there are several errors. is there a more current patchset than https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ ? |
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| 10:28.45 | swc|666 | the wiki is lacking on documentation from what i can find :/ |
| 10:28.49 | kd8ikt | http://stian.lunafish.org/blog-20080615-1.php |
| 10:29.10 | kd8ikt | checkout that juicy nugget |
| 10:29.10 | swc|666 | looks... |
| 10:29.44 | swc|666 | kd8ikt :D |
| 10:29.49 | kd8ikt | did you cd kernel/dir & git checkout origin/andy |
| 10:29.58 | swc|666 | origin/stable |
| 10:30.19 | zbowling | damn AT&T sim won't work |
| 10:30.27 | kd8ikt | mw|: tells me thats what brings in the moko specific patches/branches |
| 10:30.39 | kd8ikt | must be a 3g or somethin |
| 10:31.55 | zbowling | doesn't mater if the sim is 3g or not (those are additive features)... the sim they used in the first generation, first revision iphones never worked in any other phones if it ended in a specific code.. i was just wishing |
| 10:32.30 | kd8ikt | i just vaguely remember reading something in the wiki about sim cards not working |
| 10:33.08 | zbowling | yeah... at&t page |
| 10:33.09 | zbowling | lol |
| 10:33.24 | zbowling | didn't change with the freeruner |
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| 10:34.31 | khaije1 | at&t sims dont work w/ the FR ? |
| 10:34.33 | torpor | yo |
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| 10:35.54 | torpor | w00t, my freerunner shipped today. |
| 10:37.18 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 10:37.23 | zbowling | only a specific batch of sims |
| 10:37.39 | zbowling | but it was a batch they sold a lot of |
| 10:37.40 | zbowling | lol |
| 10:37.41 | kd8ikt | the moko that is soon to be mine is a state away |
| 10:38.08 | kd8ikt | i get to drive across state to pick it up |
| 10:38.24 | zbowling | damn |
| 10:38.40 | kd8ikt | hopefully like like 8hrs from now it will be in my grasps |
| 10:38.50 | kd8ikt | its only a 2hr drive |
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| 10:41.03 | roh | swc|666 you do not need the svn patches anymore. already in the git branches |
| 10:41.15 | roh | swc|666 svn stuff regarding kernel is old |
| 10:41.39 | swc|666 | thanks |
| 10:43.36 | NineX | there is a possibility to update u-boot in NOR flash? |
| 10:43.51 | roh | swc|666 propably we should see if we can resolve that confusion by removing the stuff from svn and see if anything in git is missing (e.g. for gta01) |
| 10:44.23 | swc|666 | roh: that would definitely alleviate confusion ;) |
| 10:44.46 | spydon | Why do you get redirected to docs.openmoko.org instead of the wiki when you type openmoko.org? :P |
| 10:44.47 | zbowling | hmmm |
| 10:44.54 | zbowling | git vs subversion |
| 10:45.03 | zbowling | hmm |
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| 10:45.57 | roh | spydon interresting question. |
| 10:46.39 | spydon | I think more people use the wiki then the docs actually |
| 10:46.59 | roh | it should redirect to the wiki i think.. will investigate |
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| 10:50.50 | ieatlint | hmmm... i just noticed that despite my phone being plugged into my computer, the battery is still draining (albeit, slowly) |
| 10:50.56 | roh | works again |
| 10:51.09 | fish_ | roh: are you going to be at the ICMP? |
| 10:51.14 | ieatlint | but 5v/500mAh isn't enough to power the phone? |
| 10:51.24 | roh | fish_ not sure yet. i guess so |
| 10:51.50 | roh | ieatlint what os is running on the computer? |
| 10:51.58 | ieatlint | 2007,2 |
| 10:52.15 | swc|666 | kd8ikt thank you VERY much... that info is invaluable ;) |
| 10:53.17 | Drakou | hello, I am looking for help with the Ar6K Wifi driver in OpenMoko. Is there anybody there who worked on the wifi part ? |
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| 10:54.34 | feitingen | there seems to be a problem with newer sim cards and the openmoko |
| 10:55.03 | ieatlint | specifically att sim cards, i'd add |
| 10:55.17 | atul | Hi when I trying to ssh in to Neo1970 it is giving me this Error "Permission denied (publickey,password)" How to resolve this ? |
| 10:55.21 | ieatlint | my tmobile sim card will work for 3g and works fine in the FR |
| 10:55.51 | feitingen | ieatlint: i tried with an UICC/USIM card and it does not work well |
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| 10:56.15 | ieatlint | would that be a manufacturer? |
| 10:56.17 | balrog-kun | Drakou: just sent you a mail :) |
| 10:56.22 | t80kka | hello |
| 10:56.56 | t80kka | does someone know who I can talk with about ar6k driver from openmoko? |
| 10:56.57 | feitingen | ieatlint: it seems to be a standard, i have just retrieved it from tech support at netcom in norway |
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| 10:57.13 | Blackhorn | Hi, |
| 10:57.29 | feitingen | do you know if the code for sim card communication lie in the modem or if its open? |
| 10:57.38 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rd1c8ec4e2c91 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/ (gsm.py ophoned.py test.py): Minor changes |
| 10:58.07 | ieatlint | in the modem |
| 10:58.11 | balrog-kun | t80kka: talk to the mailing list |
| 10:58.24 | balrog-kun | t80kka: sameo (the driver's author) rarely joins irc |
| 10:58.26 | feitingen | ieatlint: is it open source? |
| 10:58.29 | ieatlint | i have 4 sim cards, all 4 can register ... |
| 10:58.33 | ieatlint | no |
| 10:58.34 | t80kka | ok balrog-kun |
| 10:58.41 | Drakou | balrog-kun: thank you, I will try to contact sameo. Concerning the last problem, it was an electrical bus problem, not software. |
| 10:58.42 | ieatlint | the AT commands are documented |
| 10:58.52 | ieatlint | but your only interface to the gsm modem is through at commands |
| 10:58.53 | balrog-kun | Drakou: oh ok |
| 10:59.10 | feitingen | i see. |
| 10:59.20 | Drakou | t80kka, I also know the ar6K driver well. |
| 10:59.31 | Drakou | if you have questions, maybe i can answer |
| 10:59.34 | ieatlint | note that the at commands are rather complete |
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| 11:00.12 | ieatlint | there's a 67 page document from from 3gpp, and then custom ones to the calypso |
| 11:00.29 | feitingen | ieatlint: i'll read up on them :) you dont happen to have a link? |
| 11:00.34 | Drakou | balrog-kun: seems that a lot of people is interrested in making this driver work :p |
| 11:01.04 | ieatlint | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands |
| 11:01.20 | ieatlint | that also links to the 3gpp document |
| 11:01.31 | feitingen | thanks a lot! |
| 11:01.45 | balrog-kun | Drakou: yeah, funny thing, accton must be selling them a lot - while i heard that it was supposed to be an atheros internal project not for sale :p |
| 11:02.55 | Drakou | balrog-kun: Yes , they sell the chips, but the driver support is bad. I keep talking to them everyday about our problems with the ar6K driver but they seem to be unable to find the solutions or even know what is the problems. |
| 11:03.37 | ieatlint | i've a sim from tmobile still in its full "credit card sized" thing... keep meaning to put it into my smartcard reader to dick aorund with it |
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| 11:04.34 | kd8ikt | has an evil genious thought of where the fudge is the imei hiding |
| 11:05.12 | kd8ikt | muwahaha |
| 11:05.13 | ieatlint | you won't be able to change the imei if you're hoping :P |
| 11:05.25 | kd8ikt | :( cmon nothings impossible |
| 11:05.36 | roh | also its worthless when one doesnt change the imsi |
| 11:05.56 | ieatlint | not to mention, it won't buy you much |
| 11:06.09 | roh | exactly. |
| 11:06.26 | kd8ikt | what would be really neat is to decode cellular streams |
| 11:06.27 | ieatlint | it's not like there's a black market for FRs |
| 11:06.33 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 11:06.56 | ieatlint | yeah, you're not going to be able to do that even if you could change the imei |
| 11:07.21 | kd8ikt | whats the encryption protocol gsm uses these days |
| 11:07.41 | roh | doesnt matter |
| 11:08.15 | roh | a) one can break it with rainbow tables given enough ram and time b) the link from the BTS to the backend is rarely every crypted |
| 11:08.31 | kd8ikt | BTS? |
| 11:08.37 | roh | the 'mast' |
| 11:09.15 | kd8ikt | think i read some shmoo paper about brute forcing gsm encryption awhile back |
| 11:09.21 | ieatlint | even trying will land you in prison, no matter what country you're in |
| 11:09.28 | roh | its like a wifi access-point in a centralised solution doing central locating, routing, addressing etc. the bts itself doesnt do much. especially not authenticate you |
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| 11:09.58 | HauDyrArb | Lol: WTF = Where The Fudge |
| 11:10.45 | ieatlint | besides, if you want to screw with hacking gsm, the FR isn't the ideal platofrm |
| 11:10.59 | roh | in the end all information one wants are in the HLR (home location register) and get updated everytime you move the cell. |
| 11:11.09 | ieatlint | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=757 |
| 11:11.20 | roh | because that hlr is asked for where to route the call when the mobile should ring |
| 11:12.19 | roh | ieatlint that module gives you about the same level of access to gsm as a neo. an at-interpreter like every other phone also. |
| 11:12.21 | ieatlint | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=280 for a usb interface :P |
| 11:12.45 | ieatlint | yeah, but my point is that the FR is not optimal for any sort of hacking situation |
| 11:12.49 | ieatlint | it is a portable computer |
| 11:12.57 | roh | yes and no ;) |
| 11:13.37 | ieatlint | besides, don't you just want to build something really cool with one of those gsm modems? :P |
| 11:13.38 | roh | i mean.. of course its that.. but one can hack with any hw.. its just that the gsm part is hard to get working properly, hacking it also gives one no real gain |
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| 11:14.31 | ieatlint | find an OBDII interpreter and plug it into a car and broadcast gps and OBDII info over the internet :P |
| 11:14.50 | kd8ikt | i want one of those cellular jammers |
| 11:14.57 | kd8ikt | that'd be fun to play with |
| 11:15.02 | kd8ikt | my uncle has one |
| 11:15.05 | ieatlint | "i can see you were going 60mph down this road at 3krpm and 35mpg" |
| 11:15.17 | ieatlint | hehe, yeah |
| 11:15.22 | ieatlint | sadly illegal in the US |
| 11:15.34 | ieatlint | but the police wouldn't know what it was if they saw it |
| 11:16.17 | kd8ikt | thats ugh, my g/f's wireless vibrator remote |
| 11:16.47 | ieatlint | i'm honestly not sure how to read that sentence |
| 11:17.05 | ieatlint | but that'd be one hell of an advanced remote control vibrator if it had a gsm modem attached |
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| 11:18.27 | ieatlint | they should add an rfid reader to the gta03... it'd be a lot of fun |
| 11:18.34 | ieatlint | reading passports and transit cards |
| 11:19.22 | kd8ikt | and a mag stripe! |
| 11:19.39 | kd8ikt | and a barcode reader! and a QR code reader |
| 11:19.52 | ieatlint | heh |
| 11:20.04 | ieatlint | if the gta03 has a camera, it'll support barcodes and QR through software |
| 11:20.13 | edistar | and a coffee machine |
| 11:20.17 | ieatlint | but seriously, rfid would rule :P |
| 11:20.20 | nibbler | ieatlint: reading? pah... reading... ;-) |
| 11:20.22 | kd8ikt | it better have auto focus |
| 11:20.38 | ieatlint | kd8ikt, okay, but it'll be a film camera |
| 11:20.40 | kd8ikt | and near focus |
| 11:21.09 | kd8ikt | lots of those qr codes are tiny |
| 11:21.30 | kd8ikt | only one i could find in my room on short notice was on a RF crystal |
| 11:22.22 | kd8ikt | wonder what kind of good info is on it |
| 11:22.44 | nibbler | sure it is a qr and not a datamatrix? |
| 11:23.22 | kd8ikt | dunno how does one tell them apart |
| 11:23.59 | nibbler | that's easy: |
| 11:24.33 | nibbler | http://www.reality.hk/wp-content/uploads/qrcode2.png |
| 11:24.38 | nibbler | vs: |
| 11:24.39 | nibbler | http://www.barcodemobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/WindowsLiveWriter/WhatareDatamatrixTwoDimensionalCodes_B4BC/datamatrix[6].png |
| 11:24.43 | nibbler | http://www.idautomation.com/press/DataMatrixSymbol.gif |
| 11:24.57 | nibbler | the alignment patterns make the obvious difference |
| 11:25.38 | kd8ikt | look the same to me |
| 11:26.40 | nibbler | kd8ikt: the qr code has three position detection patterns on the edges and on the lower right edge a indented one |
| 11:26.51 | Xilent | i hope my freerunner arives next month. If i only do some software development is there a need for buying the debug board? |
| 11:27.16 | ieatlint | Xilent, no |
| 11:27.20 | nibbler | the datamatrix has a cross of a solid followed by a "black/white/black/white/black/white..." line |
| 11:28.07 | Xilent | ieatlint, thx |
| 11:29.38 | ieatlint | damn, i should get to bed |
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| 11:34.16 | kd8ikt | must get ready for a 2hr drive |
| 11:34.42 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:44.03 | NineX | hm is i see tereis a little wirld. on wiki some one was wrote that debugboard is needed to flash NOR. but as i see in script you need only boot Openmoko copy flashnor.sh nor-gta02v5.bin into phone, and run flashnor.sh on phone http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/U-Boot_Test_Cases#Test_Case_.2318 <- why i need debugboard to do this? |
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| 11:45.51 | NineX | some one can explain why i need debugboard for this? |
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| 11:47.31 | NineX | ok, never mind |
| 11:47.34 | NineX | o now why |
| 11:47.43 | NineX | s/o/i/ |
| 11:48.09 | NineX | s/o now why/i know why/ |
| 11:48.25 | Blackhorn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:50.54 | hsv-al | gprs ftl :) |
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| 11:59.11 | torpor | yo |
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| 12:22.05 | swc|666 | question... when building the kernel for the FR, do i want yes or no for this? CPU Frequency scaling (CPU_FREQ) [N/y/?] (NEW) |
| 12:22.29 | Dave | heh |
| 12:23.11 | kd8ikt | w00t |
| 12:23.13 | kd8ikt | OUT FOR DELIVERY |
| 12:23.18 | torpor | FR? |
| 12:23.20 | torpor | me too |
| 12:23.20 | Dave | ;D |
| 12:23.30 | Dave | Hope the truck doesn't get hijacked? |
| 12:23.35 | cnwdup | swc|666: Enabling this option, you can set the clock frequency according to what you need. I think, you can enhance battery life. |
| 12:23.39 | Dave | ;p |
| 12:23.41 | kd8ikt | will be the jacker |
| 12:23.47 | Dave | :D |
| 12:23.56 | kd8ikt | 10 moko's all for me |
| 12:24.10 | swc|666 | cnwdup - sounds good, thanx |
| 12:24.26 | Dave | moko moko moko |
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| 12:25.11 | hsv-al | (BREAKING NEWS)(AP/REUTERS) - Presidential Candidate Barack Obama was shot and killed while speaking at a Minnesota High School. Ayman Al Zawahiri has released a statement, stating Al Qaeda issues responsibility. Details will be updated at theonion.com as more details are learned. |
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| 12:26.03 | kd8ikt | we arent that lucky hsv-al |
| 12:26.09 | pjz | hsv-al: nice spam |
| 12:26.35 | torpor | kd8ikt: lucky? i don't think so. |
| 12:26.37 | Dave | :D |
| 12:26.42 | torpor | lucky would be if bush got assassinated. |
| 12:26.44 | torpor | that would be luck. |
| 12:26.45 | pjz | anyone built fso using mokomakefile ? |
| 12:26.52 | Dave | lawl |
| 12:27.18 | torpor | maybe if a meteorite fell on AIPAC HQ while all the neocons were there getting rimbjos |
| 12:27.23 | pjz | mine's stopping at python-pygobject-native, despite me doing a clean/update/rebuild |
| 12:27.23 | torpor | rimjobs. |
| 12:27.34 | Dave | :D |
| 12:28.09 | kd8ikt | dude i cant make anything with the mokomake |
| 12:28.28 | kd8ikt | /bin/sh: line 1: 28389 Killed ( bitbake openmoko-devel-image u-boot-openmoko ) |
| 12:28.31 | kd8ikt | make: *** [openmoko-devel-image] Error 137 |
| 12:29.03 | Blackhorn | Hum, one question, is there any evolution beetween kernel release and daily release? |
| 12:29.25 | Ainulindale | mickey|zzZZzz: wake up :-) |
| 12:29.41 | kd8ikt | oh its thinks mkdosfs is in /bin |
| 12:29.49 | kd8ikt | when in reality my system says /usr/sbin/mkdosfs |
| 12:31.23 | kd8ikt | hm arent there universal ways to find a program and load its path like say hm, export MKDOSFS='whereis mkdosfs' |
| 12:31.43 | awesomo4k | which |
| 12:31.47 | russellb | `which mkdosfs` |
| 12:31.59 | russellb | or, just run it without an absolute path ... |
| 12:32.11 | russellb | unless it's not in your $PATH, in which case `which` isn't going to help. |
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| 12:33.03 | russellb | or be lazy and ... ln -s /usr/sbin/mkdosfs /bin/mkdosfs |
| 12:33.25 | swc|666 | anyone seen this error before when compiling a kernel? |
| 12:33.26 | swc|666 | arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-ld: unrecognized option '-Wl,-rpath-link,/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib' |
| 12:33.45 | kd8ikt | hm its still erroring out |
| 12:36.07 | swc|666 | another unset LDFLAGS seemed to fix it |
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| 12:38.13 | kd8ikt | well hey feel free to add it to the wiki if you know i gotta run |
| 12:38.25 | kd8ikt | it'd be much appreciated |
| 12:39.11 | swc|666 | i'm taking notes |
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| 12:44.29 | Tig| | righty, has anyone tried a recent daily asu snapshot recently and is power management working to the same level as the 2007.2 image?? |
| 12:44.44 | Tig| | I have not tried one since the end of last month |
| 12:45.39 | Tig| | as I am off to LugRadio Live tomorrow and a few people want to have a play with the freerunner but I am just pondering what image to put on it |
| 12:46.03 | bagpuss_thecat | ASU seems to be what the future has in store |
| 12:47.09 | Tig| | yeah that is what I thought only the last snapshot I used never used to wake up |
| 12:48.03 | Tig| | putting the 2007.2 image on is a bit of a dead end at the moment and the FSO stack means that I would not be able to show people things like tangogps running on it etc etc |
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| 12:51.22 | torpor | where do we get ASU for neo1973? |
| 12:51.32 | newb | hi i need help flashing the freerunner |
| 12:51.42 | newb | when i run dfutil from ubuntu |
| 12:51.58 | newb | i get this error : dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. |
| 12:51.59 | newb | This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY |
| 12:51.59 | newb | More than one DFU capable USB device found, you might try `--list' and then disconnect all but one device |
| 12:52.21 | Tig| | torpor: here for example : http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080715/ |
| 12:52.29 | torpor | dfu is used in more than just the openmoko .. |
| 12:52.31 | Tig| | you want the x11 qtopia image |
| 12:52.40 | torpor | so find your other dfu-capable devices. |
| 12:52.40 | newb | can anyone help? |
| 12:52.43 | torpor | Tig|: thanks, i'll try that |
| 12:52.49 | newb | torpor: help :) |
| 12:53.10 | torpor | newb: do what it says, run dfu-util --list and look for other dfu-capable devices on your USB bus |
| 12:53.33 | newb | torpor: i got two devices |
| 12:53.41 | newb | torpor: on my laptop |
| 12:53.55 | bagpuss_thecat | disconnect the one you don't want to flash, I guess |
| 12:54.09 | newb | bagpuss_thecat: how do i disconnect? they are all internal |
| 12:54.40 | bagpuss_thecat | I've never used dfu-util... does dfu-util --help say anything about how to pick the device that you want to flash? |
| 12:54.59 | newb | bagpuss_thecat: it doesn't say anything :( |
| 12:55.04 | balrog-kun | yes it does |
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| 12:55.57 | newb | balrog-kun: yes it does |
| 12:55.57 | newb | but i'm not sure |
| 12:55.57 | newb | how to flash |
| 12:56.04 | torpor | -d vendor:productid |
| 12:56.29 | torpor | replace vendor/product with the details for your freerunner (i don't know what they are) and then off you go .. |
| 12:57.35 | newb | torpor: ok |
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| 12:58.58 | newb | torpor: i don't get it |
| 12:59.08 | newb | torpor: it doesn't list on my machine unless i actually boot into it |
| 12:59.11 | newb | when i boot in |
| 12:59.23 | newb | i get an unknown USB Communications Network in my Network applet |
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| 13:01.09 | newb | it's not showing up in lsusb |
| 13:01.09 | torpor | i suggest you read the FAQ about using DFU on the wiki |
| 13:01.24 | torpor | because yu're booting your freerunner .. you should be starting it with u-boot first, not letting it boot. |
| 13:01.43 | torpor | hold down aux and power as you turn on the freerunner and you will get the dfu menu |
| 13:01.47 | torpor | uboot menu i mean |
| 13:01.50 | torpor | from there you do the upgrade |
| 13:01.56 | torpor | but this is a FAQ, yo |
| 13:04.32 | swc|666 | i'm confused (tired)... where do i get mkimage??? |
| 13:04.55 | newb | torpor: this is what i get on lsusb for the freerunner: Bus 003 Device 014: ID 1d50:5119 |
| 13:05.05 | newb | torpor: now i'm not sure what dfutil command i should fire |
| 13:05.12 | newb | how i can tell dfutil to look for this device? |
| 13:05.43 | Tig| | newb: easiest thing to do is just unplug all the other usb devices apart from the freerunner |
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| 13:06.08 | newb | Tig|: I'm on a laptop. these are all internal devices like bluetooth |
| 13:06.30 | Tig| | erk |
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| 13:06.43 | Tig| | hang on will get my freerunner and a usb cable and have a look :) |
| 13:06.57 | balrog-kun | newb: -d |
| 13:07.07 | newb | balrog-kun: -d and? |
| 13:07.09 | newb | Bus 003 Device 014: ID 1d50:5119 |
| 13:07.14 | balrog-kun | this how you tell dfuutil to look for this device |
| 13:07.39 | newb | balrog-kun: but there is no name for the device |
| 13:07.45 | mw| | swc|666: dev-embedded/u-boot-tools on gentoo |
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| 13:08.18 | balrog-kun | newb: don't use name, 14:58 < torpor> -d vendor:productid |
| 13:08.22 | swc|666 | mw| i'm on Debian :/ |
| 13:08.34 | mw| | swc|666: search for u-boot or uboot ? |
| 13:08.44 | swc|666 | looks |
| 13:09.08 | newb | balrog-kun: u mean enter those numbers? |
| 13:09.13 | newb | balrog-kun: ok |
| 13:09.14 | swc|666 | found it |
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| 13:09.52 | mw| | swc|666: uboot-mkimage (lenny and sid) |
| 13:10.08 | swc|666 | yep.. got it ... thanx ;) |
| 13:10.18 | newb | balrog-kun: yuppp! :) thats what it is |
| 13:10.36 | swc|666 | needs sleep, but cant until he tests his new kernel modules |
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| 13:13.12 | balrog-kun | :) |
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| 13:15.13 | newb | torpor: can i make phone calls from the last stable release image? |
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| 13:17.26 | Sup3rkiddo | anyone know where i can pull andy's kernel tree?......want to use it as a default kernel for the images....(assuming its not the case) |
| 13:18.19 | balrog-kun | cg-clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git#andy should work |
| 13:18.37 | balrog-kun | i hear that andy and stable are very much in sync now though |
| 13:18.43 | awesomo4k | is anyone working with ubuntu mobile |
| 13:18.50 | balrog-kun | i don't know what is used for images though, maybe something else entirely |
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| 13:20.46 | margiolas | is easy to compile kde for openmoko? |
| 13:22.03 | raster | awesomo4k: nup. |
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| 13:22.24 | awesomo4k | their ui looks pretty slick. (a bit iphoney) |
| 13:22.44 | raster | no interest. |
| 13:23.39 | raster | ubuntu mobile is focused on x86 intel pc's |
| 13:23.54 | raster | uninteresting to OM |
| 13:24.02 | Gnutoo | hello, i read the Summary of the gps problems...but it doesn't say anything about thoses who have the rootfs on their sd card...will it be possible to have the rootfs in a sd-card and use the gps? |
| 13:24.47 | raster | Gnutoo: just dont do any file IO while getting a gps fix |
| 13:25.02 | bobkare | Gnutoo: My guess would be yes, you mostly won't do IO at all unless the user is doing something other than waiting for the gps to get a fix |
| 13:25.06 | Dave | streams |
| 13:25.32 | Dave | hei balrogkun ^^ |
| 13:26.05 | Tig| | I thought there was a possible fix by feeding the gps a bit more juice, but I thought the jury was still out on exactly what the issue was (I know it works better without the sd card in) |
| 13:26.15 | Dave | heehee |
| 13:26.21 | Dave | oh does it? |
| 13:26.25 | bobkare | Tig|: apparently upping the voltage didn't help |
| 13:26.31 | Tig| | bobkare: damn :( |
| 13:26.35 | Dave | I find that rather dubious. |
| 13:26.39 | Dave | right |
| 13:26.47 | Dave | From what I heard that wasn't the issue. |
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| 13:27.01 | Gnutoo | ok thanks a lot...so will there be a patch for preventing it from doing I/O when when the gps get the initial position |
| 13:27.17 | Dave | eh? |
| 13:27.29 | bobkare | the current software fix is to turn off the clock for the sd card reader when it's not in use |
| 13:27.37 | Dave | :o |
| 13:27.56 | bobkare | Gnutoo: probably not, blocking i/o like that would cause all kinds of trouble |
| 13:28.02 | Gnutoo | bobkare, yes that's why i'm asking...because if it's in use...by the os |
| 13:28.22 | bobkare | Gnutoo: just don't watch video while trying to get a gps fix |
| 13:28.26 | bobkare | :P |
| 13:28.40 | leinir | Well, or play random media... |
| 13:28.55 | awesomo4k | or loading maps for your gps software |
| 13:28.59 | leinir | that is, don't use the media player, or only use media which is cacheable enough :) |
| 13:29.11 | leinir | awesomo4k: Which you might as well wait with until you have something resembling a fix ;) |
| 13:29.19 | awesomo4k | :) |
| 13:29.33 | bobkare | awesomo4k: how much map data are you loading that it will continously access the sd card for a minute? |
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| 13:29.44 | leinir | (a bit silly to load all of Europe if you only need Northern Jutland anyway ;) ) |
| 13:29.56 | awesomo4k | oh... my 1 foot resolution sat photos of course |
| 13:30.14 | raster | awesomo4k: u wont be loadng maps... until u know whre u are.. which needs a gps fix. |
| 13:30.15 | raster | :) |
| 13:30.28 | awesomo4k | i don't know where i am even when i get a fix |
| 13:30.29 | bobkare | and this would be loaded into what? the many gigabytes of ram the FR doesn't have? |
| 13:30.31 | raster | awesomo4k: u may have an initial load of a map for "the world" |
| 13:30.36 | raster | or a zoomed out location |
| 13:30.41 | raster | but that will stop quickly enough |
| 13:30.47 | leinir | awesomo4k: Well, the freerunner then, not you ;) |
| 13:30.47 | raster | allowing idle space for the gps fix to happen |
| 13:30.53 | Gnutoo | bobkare, ah that's all? so it won't access the sd card in order to make the OS run.... |
| 13:30.56 | raster | once u have a fix the interference isnt a blocker |
| 13:30.57 | raster | it seems |
| 13:31.16 | raster | so the occasional noise coming from IO to the sd card isnt going to break anything |
| 13:31.25 | awesomo4k | is there any way tinfoil can help with this |
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| 13:32.06 | bobkare | Gnutoo: no, you normally don't have i/o going all the time. just look at the hdd led on your computer, if your computer isn't sick it won't be lit all the time... |
| 13:32.19 | raster | yup |
| 13:32.24 | leinir | awesomo4k: Yeah, make a hat out of it, i hear that alleviates all sorts of stuff ;) |
| 13:32.30 | raster | remember there is cache - using unused ram for disk cache |
| 13:32.36 | raster | avoiding going back to disk for lots of io |
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| 13:33.22 | bobkare | awesomo4k: the OM people seem to think there is a way to fix this in HW that won't be too intrusive. we'll just have to wait until they have tested it to their satisfaction and see what it's about |
| 13:33.28 | trickie | Dave: that voltage patch certainly did something for me... before i never saw a satellite with sd card in |
| 13:33.30 | Sup3rkiddo | balrog-kun, yeah, thanks...maybe i will add a recipe in my local tree |
| 13:33.38 | awesomo4k | bobkare: thx... |
| 13:33.48 | trickie | Dave: the sd card clock patches made it work even better though |
| 13:34.20 | Gnutoo | bobkare, ok thanks a lot |
| 13:34.31 | leinir | trickie: A patch which in itself is a good idea - having that clock on all the time in a mobile device is just a bit silly :) |
| 13:34.58 | trickie | for sure |
| 13:35.07 | mjr | yep, should save power... |
| 13:35.41 | mjr | recall the glamo _was supposed_ to cut the clock anyway when the card wasn't in use. The issue might've gone unnoticed if it did ;P |
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| 13:40.02 | newb | weird |
| 13:40.10 | newb | people are not able to hear me when i call them :( |
| 13:41.09 | newb | think it's a h/w issue? |
| 13:41.43 | TeNoVi | newb: I did ssh to the phone and adjusted the volume with alsamixer and then they could hear me... |
| 13:41.53 | newb | TeNoVi: how? :) |
| 13:42.13 | TeNoVi | Have you done ssh? |
| 13:42.34 | newb | not to the openmoko |
| 13:43.35 | TeNoVi | newb: I see there is written something about this in the wiki... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Adjusting_the_Volume |
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| 13:51.53 | newb | TeNoVi: weird! atleast the mic should be calibrated b4 hand :( |
| 13:51.58 | newb | TenoVi: how do i adjust? i got alsamixer running thru ssh |
| 13:52.39 | trickie | newb: see the link he posted it tells you how |
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| 13:56.53 | TeNoVi | newb: I strangled a bit yesterday. Try to make a call, and adjust at the same time. Try to find the right one. |
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| 14:04.14 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r59ed2a388397 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: ogpsd: Implement more UBX messages |
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| 14:06.45 | RXShorty | Hi people |
| 14:06.51 | RXShorty | Can I ask a question? |
| 14:07.03 | awesomo4k | yeah just ask |
| 14:07.09 | RXShorty | Thanks |
| 14:07.19 | RXShorty | Well I tried to flash my Freerunner. |
| 14:07.44 | RXShorty | Like said as the example to the kernel... but it failed a few times now, it won't boot anymore |
| 14:08.11 | awesomo4k | rxshorty what's your setup |
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| 14:08.42 | RXShorty | I tried in Ubuntu... But is there way to load the images in the dfu-util to the Micro Sd card? |
| 14:08.57 | RXShorty | ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin I did like this... |
| 14:09.14 | RXShorty | but instead of kernel is there a way to point it (mount) it to the Micro SD? |
| 14:11.31 | awesomo4k | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card |
| 14:11.56 | awesomo4k | i'm no expert on that but there's a doc :) |
| 14:12.04 | torpor | anyone else get smudges on their neo1973 screens, ever? |
| 14:12.24 | RXShorty | hmm thanks awesome4k |
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| 14:12.49 | RXShorty | going to try that again then.. you also know something about the problem that my battery isn't charging? |
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| 14:13.00 | RXShorty | Then again, not anymore after the flash |
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| 14:15.32 | newb | can anyone tell me how to adjust the microphone volume in alsamixer? it's too confusing for me :( |
| 14:16.10 | TeNoVi | newb: Hmm. I could send you a screenshot... If you would just wait a coupple of minutes |
| 14:16.32 | newb | ok |
| 14:17.03 | TeNoVi | If I manage to find it myself :P How far have you gotten to adjust the volume? Have you started alsamixer? |
| 14:17.36 | newb | yea |
| 14:18.26 | linuxxr | use the <> buttons to select pcm |
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| 14:19.00 | linuxxr | i might be wrong |
| 14:19.02 | hrw | hi |
| 14:19.05 | hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/07/17/using-poky-sdk-to-build-software/ |
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| 14:19.20 | hrw | this can be useful for openmoko guys |
| 14:19.31 | TeNoVi | I'm not shure what I adjusted yesterday. I called one to say when he could hear me clear |
| 14:20.29 | TeNoVi | I think I adjusted the mono slider, but I can't say why that should affect anything. I also adjusted the voice slide at the very end of the mixer... |
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| 14:21.12 | Dave | omg |
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| 14:21.21 | Dave | video streaming server over openmoko... |
| 14:21.22 | Dave | hot |
| 14:21.46 | TeNoVi | newb: srry. I'm not shure I can help you. I'll have to find it myself... Maybe someone else could help you |
| 14:22.27 | trickie | newb: mic2 according to the wiki |
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| 14:22.38 | trickie | use left/right arrows to move to each 'channel' |
| 14:22.44 | trickie | and up/down arrows to adjust |
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| 14:22.53 | trickie | then 'esc' to save and exit |
| 14:23.32 | TeNoVi | trickie: It's not possible to adjust the one called mic or mic2 here... I'm not shure why. It's possible to change between them tho... |
| 14:23.42 | newb | trickie: ok |
| 14:23.54 | newb | trickie: but then how do i adjust the volume of Mic2 itself? |
| 14:24.09 | nomeata | TeNoVi: you have to run alsamixer -V all, then you see the slider for Mic2 |
| 14:25.14 | TeNoVi | nomeata: Ah... Thanks :P |
| 14:25.15 | newb | also i have this annoying issue on my laptop where i can only connect to one network interface at a time. which means if i log into the usb network, i get off the wireless. does anyone know how i can connect to both? |
| 14:25.58 | trickie | newb: up/down arrow keys... but you need to be on the channel first (left and right arrow keys) |
| 14:26.15 | newb | trickie: but it shows only a Mic2 and no volume for it |
| 14:26.22 | newb | trickie: i have no idea which one is it |
| 14:26.44 | TeNoVi | newb: run "alsamixer -V all" as nomeata said to me |
| 14:26.53 | newb | TenoVi: lets try |
| 14:27.05 | newb | i now have to get off my wireless to get into the USB network :( |
| 14:27.11 | TeNoVi | Wait |
| 14:27.12 | newb | i don't know how i can keep both active |
| 14:27.25 | TeNoVi | try to type this into terminal first: sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 14:27.54 | TeNoVi | I do everytime to get a connection. I'm not shure if it has anything to do with that :P |
| 14:28.02 | TeNoVi | Then I ssh@openmoko |
| 14:28.08 | newb | TenoVi wireless is on 0 so i guess i will have to make it to 2 or 3 or 4 |
| 14:28.39 | TeNoVi | usb0? |
| 14:29.20 | TeNoVi | is away: I'm busy |
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| 14:29.35 | swc|666 | here's a question.. whay is it that the atheros wlan wont allow for the rate to be set to anything higher than 1M ? |
| 14:30.51 | newb | then how do i save it? |
| 14:30.56 | newb | the configuration? |
| 14:31.02 | newb | that command in the wiki didn't work |
| 14:31.10 | newb | it resets to the original config when i powerdown :( |
| 14:32.24 | newb | how do i know what config file this is? |
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| 14:35.01 | newb | it's supposed to be a PHONE first. the dialer takes long to load |
| 14:35.40 | Xaos | ok...honeymoon's officially over. My FR is exhibiting the "re-register with the cell network" every few minutes again...SIM is back in my RAZR for now. |
| 14:35.54 | Xaos | guess I need to start looking at the wiki articles on THIS problem now. ;-) |
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| 14:36.28 | leinir | newb: Which is why raster would rather put the dialer and sms apps into the app launcher itself :) |
| 14:36.37 | raster | :) |
| 14:36.51 | raster | anything that is "core" to the devices usage should be always-on and ready to go |
| 14:36.54 | raster | a lodable module |
| 14:36.55 | newb | and i can't figure out why ppl can't hear me :( |
| 14:37.00 | raster | or a process that is always running |
| 14:37.01 | Tig| | Xaos: how long have you had it before it started doing that? |
| 14:37.10 | mjr | indeed the dialer should be always in memory |
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| 14:37.23 | leinir | raster: Yeah, i'm with you there, absolutely :) Load dialer and sms app in the background, show on request :) |
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| 14:38.28 | Dave | Hi leinir! :) |
| 14:38.34 | DPThought | dialer yes, absoutely. sms, not really timing critical. Why waste cpu cycles. |
| 14:38.38 | leinir | curtsies to Dave :) |
| 14:38.52 | leinir | DPThought: Where are you from? |
| 14:38.52 | Xaos | a day? less |
| 14:38.55 | Xaos | 12 hours max |
| 14:39.01 | Dave | Hey Xaos |
| 14:39.05 | Dave | Are you still EXCITED? |
| 14:39.08 | Xaos | I had it for longer, but I had one of the bad SIMS and got a new one |
| 14:39.09 | DPThought | leinir: the dark ages i guess. :) |
| 14:39.12 | raster | leinir: i prefer loadable .so's in the launcher as u avoid the extra process overhead |
| 14:39.14 | Xaos | Dave: HELL YES! |
| 14:39.17 | Dave | haha |
| 14:39.17 | leinir | DPThought: No, i'm thinking country :) |
| 14:39.19 | mjr | DPThought, rather, why waste memory. But yeah, SMS is iffy. |
| 14:39.19 | Xaos | but I need this fixed |
| 14:39.24 | Dave | Don't make me tranq you again ;) |
| 14:39.25 | DPThought | leinir: germany |
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| 14:39.31 | Dave | leinir, so, what's new? |
| 14:39.31 | raster | is the need for multiepl proce to init, gather info about x, the system, load icons and theme data and what not. |
| 14:39.36 | Dave | With you and/or qtopia :) |
| 14:39.40 | leinir | raster: True, it also won't show up in the "taskbar" :) |
| 14:39.42 | raster | just share that existing work already done |
| 14:39.52 | raster | but thats me - as i already have all that module infra done and working |
| 14:39.53 | raster | :) |
| 14:40.05 | raster | leinir: and it can show up in the taskbar that way... if u want... |
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| 14:40.13 | raster | up to the module and how it does it |
| 14:40.19 | raster | also processe scan run and now show up |
| 14:40.24 | raster | just dont map the window until needed |
| 14:40.25 | raster | ... |
| 14:40.28 | raster | it can go both ways |
| 14:40.35 | leinir | DPThought: Right, it just sounds like something an American would say - they seem to have very very little interest in SMS :) |
| 14:40.46 | newb | weird |
| 14:40.55 | Ainulindale | raster: is ASU dialer using FSO by the way ? |
| 14:40.55 | ConfidentiaL1 | would it be possible to add a gyroscope to the freerunner? |
| 14:40.56 | newb | now i can't hear the other guy :'( |
| 14:41.05 | leinir | raster: Aah yeah :) (it's good to have control, of course you can just make it do as you want ;) ) |
| 14:41.23 | Ainulindale | mickey|zzZZzz: you sleep far too much :-) |
| 14:41.38 | Xaos | ConfidentiaL1: I've superglued one of the gyroscopes I had as a kid to my FR...doesn't seem to help though |
| 14:41.50 | DPThought | btw. we hat the number normalisation topice once in a while here in this chat. I tried to make a comprehensive solution to that. See my mail devel@lists.openmoko.org Comments wellcome |
| 14:42.44 | raster | Ainulindale: no. its qtopia |
| 14:42.52 | DPThought | leinir: That changed considerabely in the US. They where late, but i guess they catched up prettey good |
| 14:43.08 | newb | help!!! :'( i have no clue how to adjust volumes |
| 14:43.20 | newb | i think u need a volume control application first on the moko |
| 14:43.21 | newb | :) |
| 14:43.26 | Ainulindale | raster: qtopia primitives for GSM ? |
| 14:43.30 | leinir | DPThought: i just visited there, i must say i can see why they don't like them... paying to receive them?! |
| 14:44.10 | raster | Ainulindale: in qtopia its one big process (qpe) that does the dialling etc. |
| 14:44.20 | raster | it also serves as the phoneserver |
| 14:44.21 | DPThought | leinir: WTF!? really? This is usually only the case with international roaming |
| 14:44.26 | Ainulindale | raster: Because we're building dbus bindings in order to port openmoko-dialer2 to FSO, I was wondering if there was something necessary in order to allow the user to build this binding against one toolkit or another |
| 14:44.27 | raster | beyond that i dont know |
| 14:44.31 | raster | its qtopia/qt/c++ |
| 14:44.33 | Ainulindale | +to do |
| 14:44.35 | raster | i don want to know |
| 14:44.39 | leinir | DPThought: Indeed - it's really stupid over there |
| 14:44.51 | leinir | DPThought: The US phone customers get shafted something horribly |
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| 14:45.19 | Xaos | wow...my /tmp/x.log is soaking up 4.1M...any way to turn off x.logging (and turn ON gsm.log)? |
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| 14:46.05 | DPThought | leinir: would not have expected this from the country with such a history with non monopolistic and iverse phone prviders. |
| 14:46.16 | sparrow | leinir - The US gets sweetheart deals compaired to here in Canada. =P |
| 14:46.35 | ezekiel-v3 | Most service providers don't require you to pay to receive SMS, if that's what you're talking about |
| 14:46.50 | ezekiel-v3 | most allow you to receive for free and pay to send |
| 14:47.08 | ConfidentiaL1 | would it be possible to get a digital gyroscope like the one in Iphone inside our freerunners? |
| 14:47.13 | sparrow | Both Bell and Telus (CDMA) have started charging for incoming SMS's |
| 14:47.18 | ezekiel-v3 | or they charge a basic rate for unlimited send and recieve |
| 14:47.35 | ezekiel-v3 | ConfidentiaL1: there are two accelerometers |
| 14:47.38 | raster | charging for incoming calls or sms is just wrong |
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| 14:47.58 | raster | thank god civilized telcos dont do that |
| 14:47.59 | raster | :) |
| 14:48.22 | ConfidentiaL1 | ezekiel-v3: but that cant register tilt, can it? |
| 14:48.34 | newb | thinks he should flash his freerunner AGAIN! |
| 14:49.03 | newb | can't figure out how to adjust volumes now he can't even hear the guy at the other end :'( |
| 14:49.03 | sparrow | I still can't get my head around the fact that my cell service is China is better then my cell service in Canada. |
| 14:49.15 | sparrow | s/is/in |
| 14:49.44 | Xaos | newb: look here for volumes: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Adjusting_the_Volume |
| 14:49.59 | newb | Xaos: wow that guide is really helpful :'( |
| 14:50.02 | Dave | :D |
| 14:50.27 | Dave | starts a new wiki page: Getting_Down_and_Dirty_With_Your_Freerunner |
| 14:50.34 | Xaos | newb: when you are IN a call, there is a slider across the middle of the screen, but it only looks like it adjusts the speaker volume |
| 14:50.49 | Xaos | Dave: you got pr0n coming down the GPRS link? |
| 14:51.07 | newb | Xaos: but right now i don't get any volume :( |
| 14:51.09 | Dave | No, but up the wifi link :D |
| 14:51.11 | newb | no matter what |
| 14:51.23 | mjr | surfing pr0n over gprs isn't very fun |
| 14:51.40 | mjr | (take it from one who knows) |
| 14:51.41 | Xaos | newb: don't know what to tell you...have you moved the slider while on a call? |
| 14:51.50 | Dave | mjr - hah! |
| 14:51.51 | Xaos | mjr: that's just really sad |
| 14:51.51 | Dave | :D |
| 14:51.53 | Xaos | ;-) |
| 14:51.54 | newb | Xaos: it's on FULL but still there is no sound |
| 14:51.56 | Dave | hahaha |
| 14:51.58 | leinir | mjr: That's why there's wifi in it ;) |
| 14:51.59 | raster | mjr: what if its mini-porn? |
| 14:52.04 | Dave | it works fine over 3g :p |
| 14:52.04 | newb | Xaos: atleast the last time |
| 14:52.10 | newb | it was working |
| 14:52.12 | Xaos | newb: can you ssh into it and check the "alsamixer" ? |
| 14:52.14 | Dave | hah, ask leinir! |
| 14:52.18 | mjr | I'm not into midgets - nothing against them, but doesn't make me hot |
| 14:52.27 | Dave | mjr, they'll fit on the freerunner! |
| 14:52.30 | retracile | What kind of bandwidth can you get over grps? |
| 14:52.35 | Dave | retracile: terrible |
| 14:52.39 | retracile | s/grps/gprs/ |
| 14:52.46 | Dave | like 30-60kbps txp |
| 14:52.46 | Xaos | better than dial-up though...right? |
| 14:52.48 | mjr | retracile, >50k realistically, 80k theoretically |
| 14:53.03 | newb | Xaos: in alsamixer now |
| 14:53.05 | Dave | just go with 3g kthx |
| 14:53.12 | Dave | 500kbps is better :P |
| 14:53.34 | mjr | well I have my 3g stick for the lappie and stuff, and that's just fine for porn |
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| 14:53.45 | Xaos | newb: dunno...I'm working on getting my GSM connection stable first. My wife said that the mic volume need boosting too (she could hardly hear me on the call |
| 14:53.48 | retracile | thanks |
| 14:53.50 | Dave | hook it up to your freerunner! |
| 14:53.58 | newb | Xaos: ah.... |
| 14:54.13 | leinir | Dave: My wallpaper on the freerunner right now ;) http://rubberfurs.org/user/leinir/gallery/view/charactersketches/others/They_Inflated_My_Chest-Wovstah.png (yes, i know, it's kinda funky ;) ) |
| 14:54.15 | Xaos | mjr: then you just use bluetooth pand to connect the Neo to the laptop and out the 3G |
| 14:55.10 | Xaos | leinir: OK...that wallpaper is just wrong on SOOOO many levels.. ;-) |
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| 14:55.26 | leinir | Xaos: *giggles* innit cute, though? ;) |
| 14:55.41 | leinir | Cute in all the wrong ways ;) |
| 14:55.43 | Xaos | leinir: I need to make this my wallpaper: http://midnightresearch.com/local/images/att-nsa.png |
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| 14:56.08 | Xaos | or maybe this one: http://www.eff.org/files/EFF_ATT_NSA_black.png |
| 14:56.16 | leinir | Xaos: Hahaaa, nice one ;D |
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| 14:56.45 | newb | what's Sidetone? |
| 14:56.47 | newb | anyone know? |
| 14:56.52 | Xaos | especially since that's my carrier too |
| 14:57.05 | leinir | Xaos: Good plan, i'd say :) |
| 14:58.16 | newb | gives up! he can't make calls on his new freerunner :'( |
| 14:58.34 | Xaos | newb: what firmware are you using? |
| 14:58.46 | leinir | newb: Give the Qtopia image a shot... that one's confirmed to actually work :) |
| 14:59.01 | Xaos | newb: I've got the latest scaredycat image and the volume isn't great, but at least it's functional... |
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| 14:59.28 | Xaos | leinir: so Qtopia is the most stable telephony distro currently? |
| 14:59.50 | leinir | Xaos: Well, it works at any rate :) |
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| 15:00.23 | Dave | offers leinir some chocolate |
| 15:00.45 | leinir | noms chocolate! "Omnomnomnom" ;) |
| 15:00.49 | Xaos | most stable does not equal stable...just MORE stable than the others |
| 15:00.52 | leinir | *giggles* Thanks ;) |
| 15:01.08 | leinir | Xaos: True *giggles* In that case yes :) |
| 15:02.34 | Xaos | leinir: stop that giggling and flirting...I'm a married man here. ;-) |
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| 15:03.36 | leinir | Hey, i'm spoken for as well (as you saw in that image, black one's me, cutie next to me's my bf ;) ), so don't worry, i'm not on the prowl ;) |
| 15:03.59 | Chocky | yes |
| 15:04.21 | Chocky | er, a/s/l? |
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| 15:06.37 | exco | hello |
| 15:07.16 | exco | can you give me a hint how to close that lock screen http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2js8.png |
| 15:07.22 | Dave | leinir |
| 15:07.31 | leinir | Chocky: 1mia/blarp/Neptune ;) |
| 15:07.52 | leinir | Dave |
| 15:08.47 | awesomo4k | slide the thing to other end to the unlock |
| 15:09.02 | leinir | exco: That's a borken layout - try dragging your finger up the left side... |
| 15:09.12 | Xaos | leinir: no worries...you just have a flirtatious personality it appears |
| 15:09.43 | leinir | i've heard that before, yeah :) |
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| 15:11.30 | Xaos | is going to start digging into this GSM issue: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024 |
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| 15:12.57 | Dave | Leinir |
| 15:13.03 | Chocky | Dave |
| 15:13.12 | Dave | any new qtopia tricks? |
| 15:13.22 | exco | leinir: noone thought of making it qvga-compatible I suppose |
| 15:13.45 | leinir | Dave |
| 15:13.54 | leinir | not really :) |
| 15:14.14 | leinir | exco: Hmm? :) |
| 15:14.16 | Chocky | hmm, community mailing list full of crap. like here, but much less amusing. |
| 15:14.31 | leinir | Chocky: Not enough pr0nz ;) |
| 15:14.58 | Chocky | can't fit much into the internal card :o |
| 15:15.19 | Dave | Leinir, the Internet Settings portion of the Qtopia Configuration app always freezes my freerunner :( |
| 15:15.32 | Dave | Have you experienced anything of this sort? |
| 15:15.54 | Chocky | freezerunner |
| 15:16.09 | leinir | Not really... it is very touchy though, i can definitely confirm that part of it |
| 15:16.21 | Dave | Which part, the entire image, or the Configuration app? |
| 15:16.24 | leinir | Chocky: Well, not the one it ships with ;) |
| 15:16.27 | borg_ | exco: i am pretty sure it is not qvga compatible |
| 15:16.35 | leinir | The whole thing :) |
| 15:16.44 | Dave | I mean right now, just selecting a button under the Internet Settings portion freezes it |
| 15:16.47 | Dave | ;[ |
| 15:16.48 | Dave | leinir x_x |
| 15:16.51 | Chocky | hm, mine doesn't want to turn on |
| 15:16.52 | borg_ | exco: i programmed it ;) |
| 15:16.55 | Dave | That's not very encouraging! |
| 15:17.00 | Dave | Chocky wah wah |
| 15:17.11 | Chocky | not sure if the battery's dead or what |
| 15:17.14 | exco | :-) thought so, borg_ , so how do I get rid of it? |
| 15:17.36 | exco | how about making it compatible, borg_? |
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| 15:18.11 | borg_ | exco: mh, you whoud have to make qvga versions of the images and same small changes in the code |
| 15:18.11 | Dave | Chocky: try unplugging it from USB for five minutes then reconnecting or powering it on again |
| 15:18.23 | Dave | otherwise, battery might have become too discharged to power up |
| 15:18.34 | Chocky | will let it charge for a bit |
| 15:18.42 | Dave | Is it off? |
| 15:19.44 | Dave | If it's not powered and booted, it won't charge then, unless you've flashed the new uBoot image released about a day or so ago, or so that's my understanding. |
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| 15:19.58 | exco | borg_: already built qvga image ... some things don't fit ... yet - like libnotify msgs, matchbox-panel-2 and that locking screen |
| 15:20.24 | Dave | redirects his qtopia grievances to leinir |
| 15:21.07 | borg_ | mmh |
| 15:21.15 | Chocky | hum. |
| 15:22.25 | borg_ | exco: http://pastebin.ca/1074427 |
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| 15:22.37 | borg_ | that is the patch i committed for the screen locker |
| 15:22.55 | borg_ | i guess the only problem ist this: |
| 15:22.59 | borg_ | # |
| 15:23.00 | borg_ | + gtk_fixed_put(GTK_FIXED(fixed), |
| 15:23.00 | borg_ | # |
| 15:23.00 | borg_ | + gtk_image_new_from_file(PKGDATADIR "/south.png"), 0, 0); |
| 15:23.01 | borg_ | # |
| 15:23.03 | borg_ | + GtkWidget *drag = gtk_image_new_from_file(PKGDATADIR "/drag.png"); |
| 15:23.06 | borg_ | # |
| 15:23.09 | borg_ | + gtk_fixed_put(GTK_FIXED(fixed), drag, 190, 0); |
| 15:23.46 | borg_ | this shouldn't be a fixed size |
| 15:25.07 | exco | so how do we replace it with the actuak |
| 15:25.11 | exco | darned |
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| 15:25.33 | exco | actual screen diagonal - %? |
| 15:25.38 | Dave | wishes ecraven were here so they could team up in order establish a Neod broke my phone fund |
| 15:25.42 | rivalarrival | Hot damn, Freerunner IN MY HOUSE!!! |
| 15:25.50 | Dave | arrival |
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| 15:26.27 | Xaos | ok...does anybody know how to enable the gsm.log? |
| 15:26.46 | Dave | hmm? |
| 15:26.56 | borg_ | exco: you could calculate the correct values for qvga and make ifdef's or make it somehow dymamic, i don't have the openembedded toolchain set up and i have no time to do this at the moment |
| 15:26.59 | Dave | logging the gsm modem's activity? |
| 15:27.43 | nullpuppy | 12986s to fix with sd card |
| 15:27.57 | mwester | Xaos: what image? |
| 15:28.06 | exco | ok, thanks borg_ - I will ... could take some time though |
| 15:28.19 | Xaos | scaredycat (GTK?) |
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| 15:29.03 | Xaos | I just transferred my SIM over and it registers to AT&T pretty darn quickly |
| 15:29.19 | exco | borg_: can you point me to the right place for matchbox panel 2 and libnotify as well? |
| 15:29.23 | Dave | Xaos \o/ |
| 15:29.29 | mwester | You can get the gsmd's version of events by editing /etc/init.d/gsmd and changing the log from syslog to a valid pathname instead. You can get the kernel's version of the traffic and suspend/resume events by installing a kernel from http://moko.mwester.net/fixes.html and turning on nspy. |
| 15:29.33 | Chocky | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.35 | Dave | Xaos, and let me just ask you, do you have a phone plan with AT&T and is your SIM 3G? |
| 15:29.35 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r28084b9bbfa9 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin to 198 for various bugfixes |
| 15:29.35 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rcee504b5109a 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ringtone] Make Ring Only what it says |
| 15:29.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rce8baba78677 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ringtone] Make Ring Only what it says |
| 15:29.50 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2d0d300596ea 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin to 198 for various bugfixes |
| 15:29.58 | Xaos | mwester: thanks! |
| 15:30.04 | Dave | leinir we need a nice boot splash screen! |
| 15:30.09 | Dave | any recommendations? :P |
| 15:30.20 | Xaos | Dave: Yes, and Yes...my original SIM was one that wouldn't work at all...traded for one that does yesterday |
| 15:30.40 | leinir | Dave: i rather like the boot background on ASU ;) |
| 15:30.50 | Dave | Xaos, AH! |
| 15:30.51 | Dave | Okay good |
| 15:31.03 | Dave | and your AT&T SIM now is 3G then, you just needed to swap it for another? |
| 15:31.09 | Dave | leinir ~_~ |
| 15:31.13 | Dave | bah |
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| 15:31.36 | Xaos | Dave: both old and new SIM had 3G on them...the new one is the fireball one...and yes...I just swapped them |
| 15:31.45 | Dave | oh heh alright good |
| 15:31.55 | Xaos | old one didn't work at ALL...new one seems to be doing the periodic re-registration |
| 15:32.01 | Dave | ;\ |
| 15:32.08 | Dave | how periodic? :D |
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| 15:32.40 | Dave | Yeah that's the one I have |
| 15:32.44 | Dave | and I've had no problems with it |
| 15:32.45 | Xaos | dunno...have to start analyzing it...I noticed it do it a couple of times yesterday but didn't have time to mess with it...put the SIM back in my old RAZR |
| 15:32.56 | Dave | but others seem to be convinced AT&T doesn't work at all and such :| |
| 15:33.13 | Dave | fools |
| 15:33.46 | kwek | hey.. do you guys have that if you press the top-back of the freerunner a bit.. that it powers off? it doesnt feel right |
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| 15:34.36 | Xaos | kwek: I haven't seen that, but am I the only one that keeps picking up my FR upside down...seems like the hole should be on top for some reason |
| 15:35.21 | kwek | yeah i have it when i press the other side.. its not the battery |
| 15:35.21 | kwek | damn |
| 15:36.37 | Xaos | Dave: so your AT&T 3G SIM is working fine and you've not noticed any re-registering events? |
| 15:36.46 | Xaos | which image are you using? |
| 15:39.06 | borg_ | exco: no i cant, sorry |
| 15:39.31 | Dave | Xaos, nope |
| 15:39.46 | Dave | It always just says AT&T at the top :) |
| 15:40.05 | dlowe | Both my original AT&T sim and its replacement didn't work |
| 15:40.12 | Xaos | ok...I guess I'll keep an eye on it today and see what happens |
| 15:40.27 | exco | thanks anyways, borg_ |
| 15:40.47 | TeNoVi | is back (gone 01:11:27) |
| 15:40.52 | Xaos | dlowe: go here and get a SIM that is on the Working list: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT |
| 15:41.08 | Chocky | sigh |
| 15:41.20 | Chocky | it didn't turn on because the USB cable wasn't plugged into laptop |
| 15:41.33 | dlowe | Xaos: I saw that, but they don't exactly choose the SIMs they have on stock |
| 15:42.10 | Dave | I should check that out and possibly add to it. |
| 15:42.17 | Dave | Chocky :p |
| 15:42.19 | Dave | Surprise! |
| 15:42.24 | Chocky | having a bad day |
| 15:42.25 | Xaos | dlowe: print it out and take it with you to see what they have. I got lucky in that the guy at work that handles the cell phone has a stack of different SIM cards...I just went through it and found one that worked |
| 15:42.37 | Xaos | my original was on the "Does NOT work" list |
| 15:42.38 | Chocky | almost got run over. boss trying to micro manage. |
| 15:42.41 | Chocky | inlaws staying |
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| 15:42.49 | Dave | o_O |
| 15:42.51 | Chocky | Fry's outta stock of stuff I need |
| 15:42.59 | Dave | How is that possible? |
| 15:43.00 | Chocky | gotta wear _trousers_ at work tomorrow. |
| 15:43.08 | Xaos | Chocky's having a bad day it appears |
| 15:43.24 | leinir | Chocky: Aww man, that's not fair... Skirts are so much more comfy! |
| 15:43.37 | Chocky | I know, but mine's at the dry cleaners |
| 15:43.40 | mwester | presumes Chocky must work in San Fransisco, only place on planet where people come to work without pants. |
| 15:43.47 | Xaos | LOL |
| 15:43.55 | leinir | Man, sucks |
| 15:44.14 | Chocky | heh. in the UK "pants" normally means "underpants" |
| 15:44.22 | Chocky | is in San Diego |
| 15:44.42 | Chocky | anyway, you forgot Scotland, with kilts |
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| 15:49.06 | Chocky | ok, so someone explain why my FR now says the time is 13:21 |
| 15:49.08 | Dave | Okay well the messages interface clearly blow asschunks. |
| 15:49.31 | Dave | I cannot even readily decipher the service messages I get from the provider :p |
| 15:49.32 | Dave | haha |
| 15:49.50 | Dave | then again, the vast majority of all messaging services tend to blow |
| 15:50.05 | Dave | Though that might be interesting |
| 15:50.06 | Chocky | massaging services blow? |
| 15:50.12 | Dave | submitting tickets via sms to the developers |
| 15:50.18 | Dave | haha, I'm sure they'd hate that. |
| 15:50.28 | Chocky | laffs |
| 15:50.30 | Dave | chocky, you want happy ending? |
| 15:50.32 | Chocky | what is the limit on SMS? |
| 15:50.36 | Chocky | please. |
| 15:51.09 | Dave | haha nice, as I was sitting here it vibrated |
| 15:51.18 | Dave | 1 New Message! |
| 15:51.19 | Chocky | hilarious. |
| 15:51.32 | Chocky | a vibrarting, blowing, massager |
| 15:52.22 | Dave | no, what was hilarious is when I accidentally crashed one of the omt programs, and exposed the dev interface for me; I subsequently played around with the vib device and essentially turned it into a vibrator :P |
| 15:52.33 | Dave | I wonder if clients will be begging for gui ;p |
| 15:53.11 | Chocky | My kirby (vacuum cleaner for you funnriners) with a massage attachment. The manual talks about an "invigorating massage" |
| 15:53.22 | Chocky | er, furriners |
| 15:53.30 | Dave | :D |
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| 16:00.07 | Dave | uggh |
| 16:00.25 | Chocky | so should I get this uboot update in any case? |
| 16:00.31 | Chocky | and does it make my coffee? |
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| 16:02.22 | Dave | Chocky, I am unsure. |
| 16:02.29 | Dave | I wouldn't flash it if you don't want to brick your phone :D |
| 16:02.43 | Dave | Does anyone have a link to that keyboard/usb issue. |
| 16:02.47 | Chocky | can use NOR flash then :p |
| 16:02.55 | Dave | nee |
| 16:03.00 | Chocky | it wouldn't be the first time I messed up a boot loader, trust me |
| 16:03.07 | Chocky | Knight Dave? |
| 16:03.35 | SpeedEvil | If your NOR is OK, you can't brick the device without the debug board, unless you do something stupid |
| 16:03.42 | Chocky | like drop it |
| 16:04.02 | SpeedEvil | Well - I was specifically regferring to updating uboot several thousand times in a row. |
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| 16:04.11 | Chocky | anyway, apart from obvious caveats, my question is really what the uboot improvements are? |
| 16:04.12 | SpeedEvil | Which would make it probably not boot. |
| 16:04.29 | Chocky | SpeedEvil: yes, but mainly because I'd be bored to death |
| 16:04.39 | Chocky | or I supposed you could script it :p |
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| 16:04.44 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: they add a NSA backdoor. |
| 16:04.57 | Chocky | you mean there wasn't one already? for shame! |
| 16:05.56 | mmontour | Chocky: in the last couple of days, u-boot got a series of patches to fix power-on with low/missing battery. The workaround to enable SD-booting a kernel from ext2 also got applied. |
| 16:06.04 | Chocky | sweet |
| 16:06.19 | Chocky | blows kisses to whoever did that |
| 16:07.44 | Dave | It'd be nice if the phone stored my phone number. |
| 16:07.48 | Dave | Speedevil |
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| 16:08.11 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: It does - what do you mean? |
| 16:08.19 | SpeedEvil | Dave: at+cnum=? |
| 16:08.31 | Dave | Speedevil, do you have a link to the resource for the usb/terminal issue? |
| 16:08.48 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 16:09.03 | Dave | I think it was tracked down to a source of the issue for the terminal input keyboard being messed up (when connected/ing) |
| 16:09.10 | Dave | :| |
| 16:11.19 | Dave | heh, hilarious... mff crashed tango agan |
| 16:11.21 | Dave | again |
| 16:12.15 | Dave | lame |
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| 16:14.22 | viraptor | hello |
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| 16:15.26 | Dave | boos |
| 16:15.26 | viraptor | when can I buy openmoko, being fairly sure that hardware doesn't change any more? 02v5? or should I wait some more? |
| 16:15.52 | Chocky | heh |
| 16:15.57 | Chocky | early adopters |
| 16:16.04 | Chocky | you can't be sure of anything like that. |
| 16:16.08 | Chocky | there's always a new version |
| 16:17.38 | viraptor | well... I thought "mass market" version will be pretty much locked on one hardware - was it a mistake? |
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| 16:18.05 | SpeedEvil | Sort-of. |
| 16:18.09 | Chocky | if you think that, why are you asking? ;-) |
| 16:18.09 | Xaos | viraptor...is that like a dinosaur that preys on emacsaurus? |
| 16:18.16 | Chocky | laffs |
| 16:18.21 | SpeedEvil | A) The graphics chip has turned out to be a horrible mistake. |
| 16:18.24 | Dave | Hrm, that keyboard bug is rather annoying :[ |
| 16:18.30 | Dave | Speedevil :( |
| 16:18.41 | SpeedEvil | B) There is a hardware issue with the shipped phones with GPS. |
| 16:18.41 | Dave | It's glamorific! |
| 16:18.48 | Chocky | glamtastic |
| 16:19.28 | Chocky | personally, I think the glamo will work out ok with the mplayer stuff, etc. not worth crying over. Does its most important stuff just fine. |
| 16:19.50 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: yeah - it's just it's an extra socket that has turned out to be a wash. |
| 16:20.27 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: probably adding $10 to the price, and quite a lot of dev time to beat it into shape, which may have delayed the hardware. |
| 16:20.30 | viraptor | ok... I'll lurk some more then - I'm ok with being early adopter and developing on a buggy system, but I wouldn't like to be left in the dark with abbandoned hardware :/ |
| 16:20.39 | Chocky | every hardware has issues. wait for the software to do best it can. |
| 16:20.48 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: but of course - that wasn't known at the start. |
| 16:21.18 | Chocky | has been around this tree many times with other projects |
| 16:22.49 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: yes, all hardware has issues, it's just a bit annoying that a moderately important chip has turned out to possibly be a wash in terms of performance, and negatives for costs and dev time. |
| 16:22.56 | Chocky | aye. |
| 16:23.24 | Chocky | knows, knows knows :-( but there are _always_ such things in hardware/software for every project :-| |
| 16:23.27 | SpeedEvil | viraptor: abandoned hardware shouldn't be _that_ bad an issue - it's built from source. |
| 16:23.55 | SpeedEvil | viraptor: I'd personally wait to buy one till the GPS status has been clarified. |
| 16:24.10 | Chocky | viraptor: it's easy to be paranoid about any hardware. but at least in this case, all the software is there, as Evil says |
| 16:24.30 | Xaos | SpeedEvil: NOW you tell me ;-) |
| 16:24.54 | Dave | Speedevil, as of presently, it's still somewhat of a mystery, right? |
| 16:25.00 | Weiss | i'm waiting for more details about GPS, but basically: i've got a little bit of disposable income, so why not? |
| 16:25.06 | SpeedEvil | GPS is currently affected by a problem when the SD is accessed - it seems to lose or find it very hard to obtain - lock on satellites. There is a patch to turn off the clock to SD when not using it, but accessing SD will still disturb GPS. There is a hardware fix, but how this can be applied to units in the field is unclear at the moment. |
| 16:25.16 | Chocky | anyway, with SD card removed, my GPS seems to work just dandy outside. tracked my cycle and train ride home :p |
| 16:25.26 | SpeedEvil | If you can live with a partially functioning GPS, then why not. |
| 16:26.17 | Xaos | would it be possible to take a piece of tin foil (wrapped in scotch tape or something nonconductive) and make a shield around the SD card? |
| 16:26.24 | SpeedEvil | Maybe. |
| 16:26.28 | Chocky | it needs to be made into a hat |
| 16:26.33 | SpeedEvil | The exact problem hasn't been published. |
| 16:26.43 | Xaos | I was just going to use some foil FROM my hat |
| 16:26.53 | Chocky | good thinking |
| 16:26.55 | SpeedEvil | It may be DIYable, or it may require you to have a soldering station, and the ability to do fine SMD rework. |
| 16:27.03 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r1dbd3a6b9799 10/src/illume_kbd.c: remove debug output |
| 16:27.03 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r0251bda95a27 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add a number and name editor for contacts |
| 16:27.29 | Chocky | has such things. well, questionable skill, but I can probably do it. |
| 16:27.45 | Chocky | I have a big ass magnifier, but my eyesight for such things isn't brilliant |
| 16:28.01 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: there are alternatives. |
| 16:28.05 | summatusmentis | why would anyone want an ass-magnifier |
| 16:28.07 | summatusmentis | ? |
| 16:28.21 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: eat more, then you won't need ass-magnifying equipment. |
| 16:28.43 | toggles_w | hmm... so open the box, plug it in and charge it, then what? |
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| 16:29.29 | viraptor | so is 02v5 (and selling through webshop) planned sometime this year, or is it a big unknown so far? I cannot find any estimate on wiki :/ |
| 16:29.50 | SpeedEvil | viraptor: it's been available |
| 16:29.53 | SpeedEvil | viraptor: it's not ATM |
| 16:30.08 | Dave | Thanks Speedbot |
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| 16:31.39 | toggles_w | no recommendations on software/stacks to upgrade to? |
| 16:31.41 | viraptor | cool... I hope UK gets a bigger package of those by september then :) |
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| 16:35.21 | doc|work | anyone emails sales@openmoko.com recently? what's their response time like? |
| 16:35.29 | doc|work | s/emails/emailed |
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| 16:40.52 | kelvie | doc|home: they generally reply at about 7pm our time :P |
| 16:41.02 | kelvie | in my experience |
| 16:41.11 | kelvie | doc|work: ^ |
| 16:41.41 | kelvie | mm time to head to work |
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| 16:44.45 | SpeedEvil | #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
| 16:44.56 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> Freerunner is out of stock at http://openmoko.org/ and distributors. | Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. | Community dev #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
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| 16:47.36 | cjb | yay, moko arrived. |
| 16:47.41 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 16:48.54 | dlowe | Community_Updates says that bug #666 was fixable last year. Why are people still having problems, then? Or was that a different cause? |
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| 16:51.53 | doc|work | kelvie: hmmm, I mailed them at 4-5pm yesterday, no response yet. |
| 16:53.07 | DaveLab | uggh |
| 16:53.18 | DaveLab | I keep my primary freerunner plugged in via usb next to my right hand mouse |
| 16:53.26 | DaveLab | they're both the same size and black |
| 16:53.30 | Chocky | too many mice |
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| 16:53.41 | Chocky | does your mouse have an LCD? |
| 16:53.48 | DaveLab | so without glancing over and down I end up frequently moving the freerunner, and then can't figure out why the cursor isn't moving :D |
| 16:53.53 | DaveLab | It's becoming quite irritating :P |
| 16:53.55 | DaveLab | hah |
| 16:53.58 | Chocky | hum. |
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| 16:54.01 | DaveLab | I've done this several days now, hah |
| 16:54.09 | Chocky | that should tell you something |
| 16:54.15 | Chocky | put FR on the left |
| 16:54.17 | DaveLab | Yeah |
| 16:54.24 | DaveLab | No, make the freerunner dub as a mouse! |
| 16:54.25 | DaveLab | duh |
| 16:54.27 | DaveLab | :P |
| 16:54.27 | Xaos | Dave: I've taken to having my FR plugged into the AC (fast charge) and use pand to connect to my laptop |
| 16:54.41 | DaveLab | why whouldn't it be a usb mouse? :P |
| 16:54.47 | DaveLab | it just sits there doing nothing :D |
| 16:54.49 | Xaos | Dave: we need a camera built in so we can make it into an optical mouse |
| 16:54.58 | Xaos | either that or get the accelerometers to work |
| 16:55.17 | rivalarrival | accelerometer mouse would suck. |
| 16:55.31 | balrog-kun | it should be quite accurate |
| 16:55.38 | rivalarrival | should be. |
| 16:55.42 | DaveLab | God I can't stand the people's "English" who write on the wiki. |
| 16:55.43 | Chocky | I want my mouse to accelerate |
| 16:55.55 | DaveLab | Chocky, eww. |
| 16:55.57 | balrog-kun | camera mouse would suck :) |
| 16:55.59 | Chocky | Dave: I know, I fixed some stuff on that GPS page, but it's still horrific |
| 16:56.03 | rivalarrival | What's the consensus on preferred image? |
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| 16:56.18 | Chocky | wiki is a bit of a cesspit right now |
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| 16:58.07 | freerunnin | so my messaging app keeps crashing. Anyone know how to fix that? |
| 16:59.17 | Chocky | find the bug |
| 16:59.58 | Xaos | hehe...been playing with the LEDs...based on this script: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022051.html |
| 17:00.14 | Xaos | if you turn ON the blue AND orange LED in the power button, it turns a nice purple color |
| 17:00.21 | doc|work | freerunnin: the built in one? |
| 17:00.26 | Chocky | Xaos: sexy |
| 17:00.27 | doc|work | ory our own custom one? |
| 17:01.11 | Xaos | ok...how do I put a python script into the menu? |
| 17:02.12 | freerunnin | doc|work, yes |
| 17:02.37 | DaveLab | One down, 297 to go. |
| 17:03.17 | rivalarrival | freerunnin: I'm having the same issue, built in app breaks |
| 17:03.27 | DaveLab | balrog-kun, fine then, I'll mount an ungodly looking trackball to it, better? :D |
| 17:03.34 | doc|work | freerunnin: yes, which? :") |
| 17:03.34 | rivalarrival | what's the "best" image? |
| 17:03.44 | doc|work | the built in one seems to suck |
| 17:03.59 | doc|work | rivalarrival: upgrade to current official one seems a bit crap :/ |
| 17:04.06 | doc|work | although I've only run it in basic mode |
| 17:04.20 | Kheldar | xaos: and if you blink leds you get whatever color's in between? |
| 17:04.20 | Xaos | rivalarrival: I'm using the scaredycat (GTK) one currently and it seems ok...haven't tried the others |
| 17:04.34 | freerunnin | doc|work: um, when I get a new text, the messaging app shows up for a second and then crashes |
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| 17:04.55 | Xaos | Kheldar: haven't tried blinking them faster...I just turned both of them on simultaneously... |
| 17:05.12 | doc|work | freerunnin: yeah, I had the same thing happening last night :/ there's a way around, only the app is so unintuitive I've no idea how I got to it |
| 17:05.20 | Xaos | although, it would be fun to strobe them alternating (blue on/orange off then blue off/orange on) |
| 17:05.34 | doc|work | Xaos: disco mode! |
| 17:05.43 | SpeedEvil | Hey! |
| 17:05.45 | Xaos | flashback to 1973! |
| 17:05.47 | Kheldar | Yaye |
| 17:05.49 | SpeedEvil | And a gold plated case! |
| 17:05.58 | rivalarrival | Hey, SpeedEvil! |
| 17:05.58 | Xaos | ok...disco was later than that...but right decade at least |
| 17:05.58 | doc|work | bling! |
| 17:05.59 | SpeedEvil | The Disco Stu Freerunner! |
| 17:06.05 | doc|work | hah |
| 17:06.15 | doc|work | so, other image recommendations? |
| 17:06.20 | cjb | aw, it's sitting at "Registering.." |
| 17:06.23 | DaveLab | :D |
| 17:06.29 | doc|work | cjb: reseat the sim card |
| 17:06.36 | doc|work | it's kind of a crappy holder I think |
| 17:06.42 | Xaos | I do like the back of the case on the FR though...I just realized this morning on the drive in that it was anti-skid |
| 17:06.48 | retracile | cjb: and make sure it's turned right-way-round. ;) |
| 17:06.48 | cjb | ok. are there any photos of the correct orientation? |
| 17:06.59 | DaveLab | pet it nicely, ask it politely |
| 17:07.04 | freerunnin | doc|work: I'm thinking about switching to ASU, good idea? |
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| 17:07.13 | retracile | cjb: the shape is pressed in the metal holder bit |
| 17:07.24 | doc|work | freerunnin: no idea, haven't tried it myself |
| 17:07.38 | rivalarrival | What about qtopia? |
| 17:07.41 | cjb | retracile: ah, ok |
| 17:07.42 | DaveLab | bah |
| 17:07.43 | SpeedEvil | cjb: the cut-off-corner should be under the battery, towards the GPS antenna. |
| 17:08.05 | doc|work | cjb: mind if I ask where you're from? |
| 17:08.31 | cjb | doc|work: from England, living in Boston, MA. |
| 17:08.38 | doc|work | ah, ok, nevermind then :) |
| 17:09.25 | freerunnin | anyone know how to restart the gsm modem? |
| 17:09.42 | cjb | SpeedEvil: when it is seated, or when it's raised? |
| 17:10.03 | SpeedEvil | cjb: when it's seated |
| 17:10.36 | cjb | that doesn't seem possible, unless the contacts are supposed to face up. |
| 17:10.52 | cjb | freerunnin: maybe it's one of the power button options? |
| 17:10.56 | SpeedEvil | cjb: err - sorry |
| 17:11.10 | SpeedEvil | away from the GPS antenna. |
| 17:11.12 | SpeedEvil | My bad. |
| 17:11.12 | freerunnin | cjb, nevermind, figured it out. Just running the libgsmd-tool shell |
| 17:11.53 | cjb | okay. so, parallel to but not near to the gsm antenna when seated. |
| 17:12.24 | SpeedEvil | Slip the SIM into the metal clip when the clip is raised. |
| 17:12.27 | cjb | heh, that seems like the contacts will be over the micro sd slot, not the pins. |
| 17:12.34 | cjb | is too stupid to use this phone, methinks. |
| 17:12.45 | SpeedEvil | Then lower it, and push the clip towards the microSD to lock it |
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| 17:12.57 | dantalizing | what is the button device? |
| 17:13.03 | dantalizing | anyone? |
| 17:13.04 | toggles_w | i loved the instruction manual that came with mine |
| 17:13.06 | SpeedEvil | Anyway - the contacts are indeed over teh pins - which are under the slot. |
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| 17:13.12 | SpeedEvil | Anyway - the contacts are indeed over teh pins - which are under the metal clip |
| 17:14.29 | cjb | oh! I had the external GPS antenna slot confused with the internal something antenna slot. Makes sense now. |
| 17:15.10 | cjb | that's the orientation I was using before, though. hope it works. |
| 17:15.13 | freerunnin | is there a tutorial on how to boot the ASU? |
| 17:15.15 | SpeedEvil | Sorry, I meant the phuysical antenna. |
| 17:15.18 | SpeedEvil | The internal one. |
| 17:15.25 | cjb | gah. |
| 17:15.27 | SpeedEvil | which is a tthe top of the phone - away from the hole. |
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| 17:15.52 | cjb | wonders how hard it would be to have a photo of the correct orientation. :) |
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| 17:16.08 | SpeedEvil | cjb: IO think there's one in the wiki |
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| 17:16.57 | cjb | oh, here it is |
| 17:17.06 | cjb | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:FR_SIM_SD_open.jpg |
| 17:17.27 | cjb | I wouldn't describe that as "with the cut edge near the internal antenna". |
| 17:17.34 | DaveLab | any tango users here? |
| 17:18.02 | Ainulindale | Anyone there knows how to properly debug a binary with gdb on the freerunner ? |
| 17:18.17 | SpeedEvil | cjb: Ok, it was away from, not towards. |
| 17:18.21 | Chocky | tangogps? aye. |
| 17:18.58 | SpeedEvil | cjb: I blame microsoft. They warped my brain! |
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| 17:19.08 | cjb | SpeedEvil: ah, that's right :) hmph, still registering. |
| 17:19.10 | Czubek | Hi all. |
| 17:19.24 | SpeedEvil | cjb: you've locked the SIM slot? |
| 17:19.36 | cjb | yup |
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| 17:22.12 | cjb | hm, anyone know if AT&T Gophone SIMs are expected to work? |
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| 17:24.43 | cjb | Register |
| 17:24.43 | cjb | EVENT: Netreg searching for network |
| 17:24.43 | cjb | EVENT: Netreg registration denied |
| 17:24.43 | cjb | cme error: 32 |
| 17:24.46 | cjb | EVENT: Signal Quality: 22 |
| 17:25.03 | SpeedEvil | what does at+cnum=? show? |
| 17:25.32 | cjb | STR=`at+cnum=?' |
| 17:25.32 | cjb | RSTR=`OK' |
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| 17:26.34 | cjb | oh. cme error: 32 suggests that my SIM is locked, I guess? |
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| 17:27.45 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd8517d7afa4a 10/framework/ (config.py configparse.py controller.py): enhance config parser and fail with a clear error message if we can't claim one of the bus names |
| 17:27.45 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf73f9ddb324c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: |
| 17:27.45 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: reorder init messages, need to add callbacks for when auth status changed successfully and |
| 17:27.46 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: registration status changed |
| 17:27.48 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3a6381b5147c 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/input.py: odeviced: allow specifying whether holding an input entity needs to be reported |
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| 17:36.50 | cjb | bah, looks like there's a known problem with AT&T SIMs |
| 17:37.00 | AciD | the factory OM is 2007.2 right ? |
| 17:37.01 | Ainulindale | Still no one to tell me how to use gdb properly on the freerunner ? |
| 17:37.25 | Xaos | cjb: Yes, I had it...got a new SIM on the "approved" list and it seems to be working ok now |
| 17:37.31 | Xaos | at least it's registering |
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| 17:37.59 | cjb | Xaos: what kind of SIM? |
| 17:38.07 | cjb | I guess I'd have to change my number? :/ |
| 17:38.13 | Xaos | cjb: the old or the new one? |
| 17:38.21 | cjb | new |
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| 17:38.34 | Xaos | cjb: no...I called AT&T and gave them the new SIM number and they set my account up to use the new one |
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| 17:38.38 | Xaos | took 2 minutes |
| 17:38.49 | Xaos | hang on I'll get the number |
| 17:38.56 | cjb | Xaos: ooh. where did you get the new SIM from? |
| 17:39.05 | cjb | and, were you in a contract with them? I'm on pay as you go.. |
| 17:39.06 | DaveLab | see :P~ |
| 17:39.16 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r0426f8cc6d9c 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: ogpsd: Implement parsing of variable length messages |
| 17:39.16 | DaveLab | why would you have to change your number? |
| 17:39.32 | AciD | I got some new (last summer) French SIM which is not working too, for info |
| 17:39.32 | DaveLab | rolls his eyes |
| 17:39.38 | cjb | DaveLab: if no AT&T SIMs work, how will I stay on AT&T? |
| 17:39.40 | Xaos | cjb: I'm on a month-to-month now...contract was up last year |
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| 17:39.50 | DaveLab | They do work. |
| 17:39.54 | Xaos | cjb: I'm on AT&T and my new SIM is working |
| 17:39.55 | DaveLab | (for some people, anyway) :D |
| 17:39.59 | Xaos | cjb: go here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT |
| 17:40.02 | cjb | oh. I just have to ask for a dufferent SIM? |
| 17:40.16 | Xaos | print it out and take it with you to the AT&T store |
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| 17:40.28 | Xaos | make sure the new SIM is on the table at the bottom |
| 17:40.30 | AciD | I have 2 questions : how do you display a "real' virtual keyboard instead of the phone one, and how do you connect to wifi, by cmdline ? |
| 17:40.52 | Xaos | AciD: Install the matchbox keyboard |
| 17:41.28 | cjb | I see |
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| 17:41.37 | AciD | Xaos > to do that I should first got on the wifi, which is really hard with that ***** keybard |
| 17:41.41 | AciD | :/ |
| 17:42.01 | DaveLab | Whee, downloading hundreds of megabytes of map data \o/ |
| 17:42.09 | Xaos | AciD...can you get the USB networking working first? |
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| 17:42.28 | Chocky | \o\ /o/ |
| 17:42.39 | DaveLab | Yeah, clearly that would be ideal :p |
| 17:42.39 | retracile | DaveLab: where from? |
| 17:42.40 | AciD | Xaos > just the om to computer yes (ssh), but no access to internet through that computer |
| 17:42.50 | DaveLab | retracile, various map repos :D |
| 17:42.56 | DaveLab | I'm doing the whole buffet, at the moment :) |
| 17:43.00 | Elleo | AciD: then just ssh in and setup wifi |
| 17:43.12 | Xaos | AciD: are you running linux on your computer? if so, you can get it to route to the INternet for you |
| 17:43.17 | DaveLab | The sucky part is not all of them are fast :| |
| 17:43.19 | AciD | yes |
| 17:43.48 | Xaos | AciD: go here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
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| 17:44.07 | DaveLab | So while 700M of map tiles off one might take a few minutes, the others could take half an hour :\ |
| 17:44.07 | AciD | Xaos > I followed the getting started wiki, but as I'm using networkmanager, I can't touch the /etc/network/interface file without losing my internet connection |
| 17:44.07 | retracile | DaveLab: I haven't gotten around to the gps/maps, but do you have a starting point I can add to my TODO notes for when I get around to it? |
| 17:44.08 | DaveLab | Sure! |
| 17:44.39 | Xaos | AciD: I'm on Kubuntu (Hardy) with NetworkManager...I've got it working great... |
| 17:44.47 | AciD | is om factory using bash has the shell ? I would really like to use my .bashrc |
| 17:44.48 | AciD | :) |
| 17:45.02 | AciD | Xaos > that's interesting, how did you do that ? :) |
| 17:45.18 | Chocky | opkg install bash |
| 17:45.21 | Chocky | etc /etc/passwd |
| 17:45.47 | Xaos | AciD: here's the stanza from my /etc/network/interfaces (sorry for the IRC spam) |
| 17:45.48 | Xaos | auto usb0 |
| 17:45.48 | Xaos | iface usb0 inet static |
| 17:45.48 | Xaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.48 | Xaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.48 | Xaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.49 | Xaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.51 | Xaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.53 | Xaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.53 | AciD | yeah, first get wifi working to be able to update the thing |
| 17:45.55 | Xaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.16 | Xaos | AciD: put that in your interfaces file (it won't mess up your networkmanager) |
| 17:46.18 | DaveLab | gah |
| 17:46.23 | DaveLab | Xaos, this isn't xterm... |
| 17:46.25 | AciD | hum |
| 17:46.29 | DaveLab | :D |
| 17:46.30 | Chocky | slaps. |
| 17:46.31 | Xaos | I know...I apologized first |
| 17:46.32 | dlowe | Xaos: use a pastebot :p |
| 17:46.39 | DaveLab | speedbot |
| 17:47.15 | Xaos | sorry...been about 12 years since I was active on IRC...don't have any bots at all |
| 17:47.30 | DaveLab | :D |
| 17:47.36 | Chocky | heh, that's nearly as long as I've been using IRC ;p |
| 17:47.50 | Chocky | there were plenty of bots 12 years ago |
| 17:47.54 | Chocky | remember eggdrop? |
| 17:47.58 | DaveLab | I was waiting for someone to say, that's as long as I've been alive! |
| 17:48.03 | Chocky | laffs |
| 17:48.16 | DaveLab | Chocky, it's still widely used, today :p |
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| 17:48.20 | DaveLab | botnets |
| 17:48.22 | Chocky | and still sucks |
| 17:48.22 | DaveLab | good times... |
| 17:48.25 | DaveLab | huhu |
| 17:48.39 | Chocky | so veteran |
| 17:48.41 | Xaos | yeah...I remember eggdrop...just don't have anything setup currently (or know what's out there anymore) |
| 17:48.44 | retracile | DaveLab: got a starting-point link? :) |
| 17:48.54 | AciD | Xaos > do you by any chance have an ip like 192.168.0.x on the computer linked to the FR ? |
| 17:48.56 | DaveLab | yeah yeah sorry |
| 17:49.08 | Xaos | AciD: no...I'm on a different subnet... |
| 17:49.18 | DaveLab | I actually wrote up my own google project/doc page on that stuff a little while back, but I just realized it's not public :p |
| 17:49.21 | AciD | I hope this will work |
| 17:49.27 | DaveLab | otherwise tangogps.org is great starting place :p |
| 17:49.40 | Xaos | AciD: what is your subnet for normal usage on your computer? |
| 17:49.48 | DaveLab | I'll try to publicize my documentation somehow as well, whether it be the wiki or something else. |
| 17:49.57 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8bceacbcfaab 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): odeviced: (input) read button/switches configuration from file, no longer hardcoding buttons for the specific device |
| 17:50.03 | DaveLab | The wiki is already highly cluttered, and it's search functionality seems craptastic. |
| 17:50.08 | retracile | DaveLab: thanks |
| 17:50.14 | Xaos | brb...gotta go heat up my lunch |
| 17:50.19 | Chocky | someone needs to take a machete to the wiki |
| 17:50.30 | dlowe | someone.... else? |
| 17:50.54 | DaveLab | sure |
| 17:50.56 | Chocky | yes. I'd love to do it, but I'm still a noob to all the bits. don't trust myself at this point. |
| 17:51.35 | DaveLab | What exactly are you referring to, Chocky? |
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| 17:52.28 | AciD | Xaos > hum hum, still not working with that same cfg, but I'm on a 192.168.0.x ip.. |
| 17:52.53 | Martix | if you are using Jabber, you may visit openmoko@conference.jabber.org |
| 17:52.59 | CM | DaveLab: Try this custom search engine. Even is a Firefox plugin for it: http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/ |
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| 17:53.56 | AciD | Xaos > whoa, it's weird, `ifup usb0` output those errors : |
| 17:54.02 | AciD | .: 44: Can't open /usr/share/sendmail/dynamic |
| 17:54.02 | AciD | run-parts: /etc/network/if-up.d/sendmail exited with return code 2 |
| 17:54.39 | AciD | (I have no sendmail package installed on my comp) |
| 17:54.51 | AciD | (I mean, I only have some 'rc' ones) |
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| 17:55.31 | ernst | Hello, :-) |
| 17:56.03 | ernst | i want to install navit on my freerunner with opkg but i can't Package speech-dispatcher md5sum mismatch. |
| 17:56.19 | ernst | Have anyone a way without compile ? |
| 17:56.30 | Chocky | you don't tell us the _exact_ commands |
| 17:56.34 | Chocky | can't mind reaqd |
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| 17:58.54 | DaveLab | Does anyone have the MFF repo url handy? |
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| 18:00.26 | ernst | opkg install navit |
| 18:00.36 | Chocky | and you did opkg update first? |
| 18:00.43 | ernst | yes |
| 18:01.02 | Chocky | what is the full list of errors? |
| 18:01.08 | ernst | maybe my opkg.conf is brocken ? |
| 18:01.10 | DaveLab | hmm? |
| 18:01.15 | Chocky | it's not that I have an answer, but you need to explain your question properly |
| 18:01.39 | ernst | * Package speech-dispatcher md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'. |
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| 18:03.13 | freerunnin | anyone know why my messages app keeps crashing? |
| 18:03.52 | freerunnin | there's an entry in trac, but i'm not sure how to implement the fix |
| 18:04.15 | freerunnin | http://docs.openmoko.org/track/changeset/1612 |
| 18:05.48 | DaveLab | fuggin' |
| 18:05.59 | DaveLab | Anyone used mff yet on tango? |
| 18:06.33 | Chocky | NSA |
| 18:06.46 | Xaos | AciD: sorry...back now...if you're already on a 192.168.0.x subnet, then this won't work easily... |
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| 18:07.05 | newb | hi i want to know how i can save the alsamixer settings |
| 18:07.09 | Xaos | AciD: can you change your subnet? Do you have control of that network(wireless router)? |
| 18:07.22 | mmontour | newb: alsactl store -f <filename> |
| 18:08.26 | newb | mmontour: what filename? |
| 18:08.26 | freerunnin | anyone have any luck with the att 7300g SIM? |
| 18:08.35 | newb | can u b more specific? |
| 18:08.37 | newb | also |
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| 18:08.57 | newb | why is my voice so low on the freerunner? |
| 18:09.01 | newb | ppl just can't hear me :( |
| 18:09.14 | mmontour | Depends where you want to store it. If you want to overwrite one of the existing profiles, it will be /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/... |
| 18:09.18 | Xaos | newb: I got the same issue...haven't delved into alsamixer yet though |
| 18:09.45 | cjb | newb: you can turn it up in alsamixer |
| 18:09.50 | Stroller | newb: sorry? Can you say that again, please? |
| 18:10.01 | Xaos | Stroller: LOL |
| 18:10.08 | cjb | freerunnin: I have a "71234G" SIM that doesn't work. |
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| 18:10.38 | freerunnin | cjb, that's no good. |
| 18:10.45 | mmontour | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality |
| 18:10.52 | Chocky | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PGX3bRTr-A |
| 18:10.55 | freerunnin | anyone hear any news about why exactly some SIMS don't work? |
| 18:11.01 | freerunnin | mine works infrequently |
| 18:11.42 | cjb | nope |
| 18:11.57 | freerunnin | some people seem to be thinking it's pin alignments |
| 18:12.12 | freerunnin | why would that happen? Aren't the pin alignments standard? |
| 18:12.14 | Chocky | so guess |
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| 18:12.28 | newb | Xaos: it's supposed to be a PHONE! |
| 18:12.37 | newb | first we need to b able to make calls |
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| 18:13.04 | DaveLab | darn |
| 18:13.07 | Chocky | knit |
| 18:13.11 | Xaos | newb: I know...I'm working on getting mine to act that way too |
| 18:13.13 | DaveLab | :p |
| 18:13.17 | Stroller | Stop being picky, newb |
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| 18:13.30 | DaveLab | It's a phone? |
| 18:13.35 | DaveLab | really? |
| 18:13.37 | Xaos | I CAN make calls on mine...but the mic volume is low and it seems to want to re-register on the network periodically |
| 18:13.42 | Stroller | thought it was a likkle PC |
| 18:13.52 | Chocky | too :o |
| 18:13.54 | newb | Xaos: i'm having no network issues |
| 18:13.54 | DaveLab | shower radio, anyone? |
| 18:13.59 | DaveLab | :D |
| 18:14.02 | newb | Xaos: but i would really like to place calls. |
| 18:14.08 | DaveLab | actually it's pretty terrible at that, too |
| 18:14.09 | newb | Xaos: have u got ur GPS to work? |
| 18:14.13 | Chocky | gets wet? |
| 18:14.15 | newb | whats the issue exactly with the GPS? |
| 18:14.28 | DaveLab | I just finished writing up that newb |
| 18:14.28 | Chocky | so demanding! |
| 18:14.28 | Xaos | newb: seems to...haven't really stressed it out yet though |
| 18:14.30 | Stroller | When you're making PCs really likkle and Linux-compatible, you can't be surprised if small things like the microphone don't work first time |
| 18:14.35 | Xaos | only had my FR for 2 days |
| 18:14.37 | DaveLab | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS_Problems |
| 18:14.55 | Xaos | Stroller: this is the GTA02 so it's the SECOND time ;-) |
| 18:14.59 | rockstar | Hey guys! So the SIM cards marked 71234G are not up to spec (admitted by AT&T employee) The current SIMs they use are 71234O, and they work in Qtopia at least. |
| 18:15.03 | newb | Stroller: it's like saying when u make a car, don't be surprised if the engine doesn't work lol |
| 18:15.08 | cjb | rockstar: Thanks! |
| 18:15.16 | Chocky | stabs users of "lol" |
| 18:15.16 | DaveLab | Wow, rockstar, that's rather impressive. |
| 18:15.17 | newb | Stroller: really we need to get the phone working perfectly first |
| 18:15.26 | newb | Stroller: then it's going to be a serious product. |
| 18:15.32 | Chocky | newb: stop demanding, thanks. |
| 18:15.33 | DaveLab | You got a wireless provider "employee" who knew shit! |
| 18:15.35 | DaveLab | :o |
| 18:15.42 | newb | Chocky: i'm not demading |
| 18:15.56 | Chocky | yep, you are. everyone is blatantly aware of what needs to be done. |
| 18:16.00 | rockstar | Yea, he's apparently a college student working on his CS degree. |
| 18:16.01 | newb | Chocky: i'm offering a suggestion and willing to sort this out |
| 18:16.02 | Chocky | repeating it over and over doesn't help |
| 18:16.02 | DaveLab | newb, are you planning on helping the development somehow? |
| 18:16.16 | DaveLab | rockstar, ah, well that explains it :P |
| 18:16.17 | rockstar | He knew what I held in my hands when I walked in the store. |
| 18:16.20 | DaveLab | he's not REALLY an employee |
| 18:16.24 | rockstar | :) |
| 18:16.27 | DaveLab | :D |
| 18:16.28 | Chocky | rockstar: really, nice. |
| 18:16.28 | newb | DaveLab: i plan on making a really funky contact list |
| 18:16.29 | DaveLab | Lucky you |
| 18:16.34 | newb | and a nice dialer |
| 18:16.37 | DaveLab | newb: ... |
| 18:16.42 | newb | which doesn't take ages to load |
| 18:16.52 | rockstar | He was asking all sorts of questions about it. Apparently there was an internal recall of the 71234G SIMs |
| 18:16.58 | raster | newb: welcome to the club |
| 18:17.00 | DaveLab | Okay so essentially back you ass up, and wait to open your openmoko aftermarket store :P |
| 18:17.03 | Chocky | rockstar: fab. new buddy. |
| 18:17.12 | newb | i'm surprised considering all the hype surrounding this device which has me in awe, it cannot perform basic functionality the end user wants |
| 18:17.17 | Xaos | ok...I hate to add to the hell that the wiki has become, but do we need a new page that lists what needs to be done to get the Neo to actually BE a phone? |
| 18:17.18 | DaveLab | rockstar :o |
| 18:17.19 | rockstar | Yea, I invited him to the local LUG meetings |
| 18:17.23 | freerunnin | anyone else having problems with the messaging app? |
| 18:17.25 | newb | we have to be humble and remember what does the end user want |
| 18:17.28 | DaveLab | and of course this wasn't publicized much :P |
| 18:17.28 | newb | otherwise |
| 18:17.32 | DaveLab | hah! |
| 18:17.39 | Chocky | newb: humble is not lecturing. |
| 18:17.42 | Stroller | Xaos: that's actually a pretty good idea |
| 18:17.42 | DaveLab | newb: no one here really cares |
| 18:17.45 | newb | no matter how technically advanced a product we make it won't be used |
| 18:17.47 | rockstar | End users are pussies :) |
| 18:17.50 | DaveLab | This isn't a marketable product. |
| 18:17.51 | Chocky | enough already |
| 18:17.53 | DaveLab | rockstar, that too! |
| 18:17.54 | Xaos | Stroller: OK...I'll set something up |
| 18:17.55 | DaveLab | :D |
| 18:17.57 | newb | rockstar: they are the people who use it |
| 18:18.01 | Stroller | Xaos: one page for each image (FSO< ASU, 2007.2 &c) |
| 18:18.08 | DaveLab | newb, like yourself? :) |
| 18:18.20 | newb | rockstar: not everyone is gifted to have a highly developed intellect |
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| 18:18.33 | newb | DaveLab: i would like to consider myself to be an end user too |
| 18:18.38 | freerunnin | newb, i think rockstar is joking |
| 18:18.52 | rockstar | is joking |
| 18:18.56 | freerunnin | ha |
| 18:18.57 | newb | rockstar: :) |
| 18:19.04 | Stroller | newb: I'm sorry. I was taking the piss in my early replies to you. I shouldn't have wound you up. |
| 18:19.21 | DaveLab | :D |
| 18:19.29 | newb | Stroller: anyways i will put up a post on my blog as to what plans i have for the contact list |
| 18:19.34 | newb | it's a nice concept |
| 18:19.40 | DaveLab | wind-up users/ |
| 18:19.43 | DaveLab | gah |
| 18:19.47 | DaveLab | motions to Chocky |
| 18:19.52 | Chocky | h5s |
| 18:19.55 | cjb | ok, off to the AT&T store, I think |
| 18:20.02 | newb | loves the device it's real cute |
| 18:20.22 | CVirus | this channel is really growing |
| 18:20.24 | Ko_deZ | newb: the qtopia framebuffer build are very quick. Much faster than any x11 build I have tried. You should test it if you have not already. |
| 18:20.28 | Chocky | Dave: dammit, stop seeing through my facade |
| 18:20.31 | leinir | newb: There's some stuff in Amarok 2 that i think it'd be good for you to take a look at for management of contacts in the contact list :) |
| 18:20.50 | newb | leinir: i was thinking of a much better way to search contacts |
| 18:21.09 | leinir | Searching, right - i'm thinking management :) |
| 18:21.15 | newb | leinir: someone like me knows nearly 1000 people and it's impossible for me to remember everyone by their right name. |
| 18:21.24 | leinir | Are we talking filtering, or something else? |
| 18:21.32 | newb | sometimes i remember their last name or some attribute about them |
| 18:21.40 | Stroller | That's 'cause you're so popliar, newb ! |
| 18:21.41 | newb | i would like to search them based on that |
| 18:22.07 | newb | Stroller: well.....! i meet lot of people |
| 18:22.22 | Stroller | newb: I just put "that fat bird" in the nickname field of the addressbook |
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| 18:22.49 | newb | Stroller: yea i would like to be able to actually look up someone by that |
| 18:22.57 | Ko_deZ | Stroller: haha. Never let anyone get to your contact list then =) |
| 18:23.02 | Xaos | OK...here's where we start tracking our wishlist for Telephony related desires/issues: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Telephony |
| 18:23.18 | freerunnin | how do I make the dfu-util executable? |
| 18:23.33 | Stroller | Ko_deZ: yeah, it's embarassing when my Mac automagically adds the addressee name to emails |
| 18:23.37 | Chocky | chmod +x |
| 18:23.37 | newb | freerunnin: chmod +x |
| 18:23.48 | freerunnin | oh yeah |
| 18:24.50 | leinir | newb: Have a look at akonadi when you start working on this... methinks it might be something that could potentially help with :) (speaking the technical side of things) |
| 18:25.09 | DaveLab | It's leinir! |
| 18:26.39 | zedstar_ | i would like to add attributes like distance of people to the address book....or distance of other openmoko users anyway |
| 18:26.44 | newb | leinir: ok... |
| 18:27.06 | DaveLab | :D |
| 18:27.18 | Railer | Dave is DaveLab? |
| 18:27.24 | Stroller | zedstar: I was just thinking that |
| 18:27.32 | Railer | waiting for UPS! |
| 18:27.32 | Chocky | it's a RoboticDave, assembled in a Lab |
| 18:27.39 | Ko_deZ | Stroller: Hahaha. That can cause some headaches, and angry friends =) |
| 18:27.52 | Stroller | zedstar: it would be cool if contacts were arranged in concentric rings, based on distance & direction |
| 18:27.58 | Stroller | zedstar: no practical, but cool |
| 18:28.08 | Chocky | concentric _3D_ spheres |
| 18:28.14 | Chocky | glamotastic |
| 18:28.36 | zedstar_ | stroller yeh....i like this kinda thing |
| 18:28.50 | leinir | newb: It's a PIM storage and retrieval system, it might very well fit what you're trying to do rather well :) |
| 18:29.02 | Railer | robitic Daveis quite] |
| 18:29.10 | Railer | quiet today |
| 18:29.18 | newb | leinir: i already have written something :) |
| 18:29.22 | zedstar_ | what is the situation with address books now..... qtopia uses sqlite 2007.2 uses EDS? which u gonna use? |
| 18:29.33 | newb | leinir: send me an e-mail address and i'll send u an ogg video of what it does |
| 18:29.49 | DaveLab | Railer! |
| 18:29.55 | DaveLab | Affirmative! |
| 18:30.03 | leinir | newb: admin@leinir.dk :) (i don't care 'bout spambots, that address is up publicly so many places it makes no difference anyway ;) ) |
| 18:30.24 | Railer | Dave's new name Bender |
| 18:30.38 | DaveLab | rolls his eyes skeptically |
| 18:30.50 | Stroller | cc me, then newb stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk |
| 18:30.57 | Railer | ups delivering phone TODAY! |
| 18:31.03 | DaveLab | ZOMG!? |
| 18:31.10 | DaveLab | You hope, anyway. :p |
| 18:31.20 | zedstar_ | is there a dbus interface to contacts in qtopia or need to query with sql? |
| 18:31.25 | Railer | well it says it's out on the truck |
| 18:31.28 | DaveLab | emails leinir his freerunner porn |
| 18:31.39 | DaveLab | Railer, hope it didn't get jacked :D |
| 18:31.40 | newb | leinir Stroller it's just a search concept. it can be used for anything technically |
| 18:31.59 | Xaos | newb: would you care to help me add to the content on the following wiki page? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Telephony |
| 18:32.11 | Railer | or the driver is a dog fu..er |
| 18:32.15 | newb | Xaos: ok i'm looking at it |
| 18:32.18 | DaveLab | :P |
| 18:32.22 | leinir | newb: Of course, i know what a mockup is (high or low fidelity ;) ) |
| 18:32.25 | newb | Xaos: last time it said PERMISSION denied |
| 18:32.32 | DaveLab | DENIED |
| 18:32.47 | Stroller | newb: well, if you've written something then I have more respect for you than I did upon initial piss-taking. So let's see the concept. |
| 18:33.02 | Xaos | huh? you can't see the wiki page? |
| 18:33.18 | newb | Stroller: i have respect for u irrespective of what u do :) |
| 18:34.06 | Xaos | newb: You're getting permission denied on the wiki page? |
| 18:34.18 | newb | Xaos: yes |
| 18:34.23 | DaveLab | likely for editing |
| 18:34.41 | Xaos | try again |
| 18:34.43 | DaveLab | Stroller, please attempt to control any further bladder issues. |
| 18:34.54 | DaveLab | You will not be warned again. |
| 18:35.08 | Chocky | yes, I'm all out of diapers |
| 18:35.10 | newb | Xaos: that page loads |
| 18:35.24 | newb | Stroller: leinir: check ur mail it's called LiteSpeed91 demo |
| 18:35.34 | leinir | Got it :) |
| 18:36.05 | Stroller | Well, newb, there are lots of people with "great ideas" for Openmoko who don't do anything about it. Just spout the same "great ideas" that lots of people already thought of, but never come up with any code. And likewise many people who bitch about the status of Openmoo & the Freerunner, without appreciation of the work that's already gone into it. |
| 18:36.17 | *** join/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e181168128.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 18:36.27 | zedstar_ | create a project on projects.openmoko.org |
| 18:36.33 | Xaos | OpenMoo....the first opensource cow |
| 18:36.43 | Stroller | lol |
| 18:36.45 | Stroller | m0000! |
| 18:36.50 | newb | Stroller: trust me i appreciate the phone :) |
| 18:37.02 | wurp2|work | MichaelShiloh: Are there docs on how to debug C apps on the phone? |
| 18:37.04 | newb | Xaos: i can't add anything to the wiki |
| 18:37.10 | wurp2|work | MichaelShiloh: i.e. with gdb? We get weird failures. |
| 18:37.13 | Xaos | are you logged in? |
| 18:37.15 | wurp2|work | newb: Sign up |
| 18:37.22 | newb | ok |
| 18:37.28 | newb | loggin in |
| 18:37.29 | leinir | newb: Right, before you work too much more... do you know what Nepomuk is? :) |
| 18:37.38 | newb | leinir: no |
| 18:37.43 | Xaos | I do! |
| 18:37.47 | leinir | Lemme just grab you a link, then... |
| 18:37.50 | Xaos | it's Kumopen backwords |
| 18:38.05 | leinir | http://nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/ |
| 18:38.10 | Xaos | opensource pr0n |
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| 18:38.13 | Xaos | get it? |
| 18:38.24 | DaveLab | bovinial branch, anyone? ;) |
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| 18:38.50 | CVirus | Why haven't chinese FreeRunners clones showed up ? |
| 18:38.51 | wurp2|work | mmontour: Are there docs on how to debug C apps on the phone? |
| 18:38.52 | DaveLab | wurp, yeah I've gotten mixed results in that department :) |
| 18:38.55 | CVirus | yet* |
| 18:39.06 | wurp2|work | DaveLab: mixed would be better than what we're getting |
| 18:39.10 | leinir | Bah... why's that page wanting me to log in :P |
| 18:39.18 | DaveLab | cvirus, because they *are* of chinese manufacture? |
| 18:39.20 | wurp2|work | DaveLab: Which is no debug info at all |
| 18:39.22 | DaveLab | that and no one wants them |
| 18:39.23 | newb | leinir: no idea |
| 18:39.30 | leinir | newb: This one in stead --> http://nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/xwiki/bin/Main1/ |
| 18:39.32 | newb | leinir: u saw my demo is it? |
| 18:39.37 | DaveLab | wurp2, oh, that's terrible in that case :P |
| 18:39.53 | Ainulindale | DaveLab: more than terrible |
| 18:39.57 | DaveLab | are you just straight up using arm gdb? |
| 18:40.00 | DaveLab | haha |
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| 18:40.01 | wurp2|work | DaveLab: yep |
| 18:40.06 | wurp2|work | DaveLab: On the neo |
| 18:40.07 | Ainulindale | It's just driving me mad |
| 18:40.12 | Railer | I've met guys who make open source programs .... I'll pass on the opensource porn thanks |
| 18:40.14 | DaveLab | okay, right |
| 18:40.15 | fuzzdk | Do anyone know something about the HW fix for the GPS+sd? |
| 18:40.23 | DaveLab | Railer :p |
| 18:40.24 | leinir | newb: Yeah, it looks like searching and ordering by semantic networks - which is exactly what this multi-million euro project is aimed at doing :) |
| 18:40.33 | DaveLab | fuzzdk: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS_Problems |
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| 18:40.42 | wurp2|work | DaveLab: gdb is not finding the debug app, even though it's in the appropriate .debug directory |
| 18:40.51 | DaveLab | what the fuck? o_O |
| 18:41.02 | newb | leinir: well.. this project is certainly interesting |
| 18:41.03 | DaveLab | checks out his gdb phone |
| 18:41.12 | wurp2|work | DaveLab: And when you try to run the app w/ debug info embedded, it flakes out with "word unexpected, expected )" or something similar |
| 18:41.36 | newb | leinir: hopefully Openmoko UI's and s/w go in that direction |
| 18:41.39 | wurp2|work | DaveLab: Which sounds to me as if the debug exe is corrupt, but it was sent over in the same ipk as the regular exe, so I don't see how that could be |
| 18:41.47 | Ainulindale | /usr/bin/.debug/ophonekitd: line 1: syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") |
| 18:41.53 | Ainulindale | The error we're talking about. |
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| 18:42.02 | DaveLab | OHHHh |
| 18:42.03 | leinir | newb: It's the library system behind KDE 4's semantic search system :) |
| 18:42.11 | DaveLab | leinir, bleh :p |
| 18:42.16 | DaveLab | semantic shmantic :p |
| 18:42.24 | newb | leinir: really? i don't use KDE 4 so i haven't checked it out yet |
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| 18:42.45 | DaveLab | oh yeah I have to throw my om porn on this phone |
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| 18:43.09 | leinir | newb: It's really quite nifty stuff :) There's way more power in it than what's being used in kde4 at the moment, really - it's a total storage system for semantic information :) |
| 18:43.27 | wurp2|work | SpeedEvil: Do you know if there are docs on how to debug C apps on the phone? |
| 18:43.31 | pooze | I was just running |
| 18:43.32 | DaveLab | leinir, does it work on the phone? |
| 18:44.15 | newb | leinir: trying to build something similar |
| 18:44.15 | leinir | DaveLab: Ehrm... that would be the idea, it's just not been ported yet :) |
| 18:44.15 | DaveLab | bah |
| 18:44.15 | newb | leinir: but with a lighter code base |
| 18:44.15 | wurp2|work | DaveLab: Have you in fact successfully run gdb on the phone to debug a C app, with line number info & local var names, etc? |
| 18:44.20 | pooze | I was just running 'make openmoko-devel-image', but got to an error on the edje package. How can I easily recompile just that package? |
| 18:44.21 | newb | leinir: and more targetted for mobile devices |
| 18:44.31 | leinir | newb: That's the thing - stand on the shouldrs of these giants, but research methods of storage and query with less resource heaviness :) |
| 18:45.02 | CM | wurp2|work: Isn't there a gdb ipk already? |
| 18:45.17 | DaveLab | wurp, sorry I was running it right now :) |
| 18:45.19 | DaveLab | to test |
| 18:45.30 | DaveLab | I'm running it on a C program I compiled on the phone |
| 18:45.36 | DaveLab | It's running fine so far (gdb, that is) |
| 18:45.37 | wurp2|work | CM: We have gdb on the phone |
| 18:45.49 | wurp2|work | CM: But it won't recognize our debug file |
| 18:45.49 | Ainulindale | DaveLab: we're talking about a program delived as an ipk |
| 18:45.57 | CM | Ah, ok :/ |
| 18:46.05 | wurp2|work | CM: The file shows the right type when we run 'file' on it on the host machine |
| 18:46.30 | almien | can you save gps logs from agpstest? |
| 18:46.32 | newb | Xaos: i added my inputs to that page |
| 18:47.03 | DaveLab | oh |
| 18:47.10 | Xaos | newb: cool...thanks |
| 18:47.13 | Ainulindale | DaveLab: what is worrying me |
| 18:47.18 | Ainulindale | /usr/bin/.debug/ophonekitd: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 18:47.22 | Ainulindale | And if I try to launch it |
| 18:47.26 | Ainulindale | I have an error (pasted before) |
| 18:47.35 | newb | Xaos: u can mail me if u want me to write up some stuff. i have lot of free time to explore and create documentation. |
| 18:47.41 | DaveLab | oh, ick |
| 18:47.46 | DaveLab | yeah, that would concern me :P |
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| 18:47.54 | Ainulindale | Yeah, that would |
| 18:47.58 | freerunnin | i'm trying to get the qtopia image on my SD card, the wiki says go to "developer root filesystem" but I don't see the opt/qtopia that the wiki mentions |
| 18:48.04 | DaveLab | especially since it sounds strange |
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| 18:48.23 | DaveLab | like if I were familiar with the source it might be a simple fix, after tracking it down :) |
| 18:48.32 | Xaos | newb: what was the email addy? |
| 18:48.36 | Ainulindale | it's not a source problem DaveLab |
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| 18:48.43 | Ainulindale | The software launches normally with the non debug version |
| 18:48.49 | DaveLab | oh OH |
| 18:48.51 | DaveLab | I get it :P |
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| 18:49.12 | newb | see private messg |
| 18:49.13 | Ainulindale | When I launch it I have a beautiful : /usr/bin/.debug/ophonekitd: line 1: syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") |
| 18:49.20 | newb | Xaos: see priv msg |
| 18:49.24 | DaveLab | yeah, lovely -_- |
| 18:49.43 | Xaos | newb: got it |
| 18:50.10 | Xaos | Ainulindale: that's because this is Linux...you shouldn't be running Word on it |
| 18:50.26 | Xaos | ;-) |
| 18:50.28 | pooze | I got some undefined references to some libcurl stuff in one of the packages, and would like to recompile just that package to save time until problem is fixed. How can I recompile a single package? |
| 18:50.30 | Chocky | you shouldn't be running Word anywhere. |
| 18:50.36 | Xaos | LOL |
| 18:50.41 | Chocky | not lol. very serious. |
| 18:50.49 | newb | Stroller: did u see my demo? |
| 18:51.06 | newb | Stroller: would u know of any apps using the accelerometers on the GTA02? |
| 18:52.18 | DaveLab | :P |
| 18:52.24 | Chocky | anyone using MS Word is encouraging closed standards |
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| 18:52.42 | DaveLab | and should be burned. |
| 18:53.10 | Stroller | newb: looks good & very fast |
| 18:53.28 | Stroller | newb: I would just say that "don't all address books have search functions?" |
| 18:53.38 | summatusmentis | Chocky: are there open replacements that will read the newest MS formats? |
| 18:53.47 | newb | Stroller: not when u enter partial patterns |
| 18:53.50 | Chocky | yes, ODF |
| 18:53.52 | Chocky | no, |
| 18:53.56 | Chocky | no, there aren't |
| 18:54.03 | Chocky | or the older ones either |
| 18:54.04 | newb | Stroller: not on most of the phones out there |
| 18:54.07 | Stroller | newb: surely all you need to do is add "comments" or "tags" to an existing address book and ensure that they're searched as well as the name |
| 18:54.16 | fuzzdk | On http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems it sounds like the HW fix would be possible to do for a user, while it sounds more negative on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS_Problems. |
| 18:54.24 | summatusmentis | Chocky: OO.o reads the older formats... |
| 18:54.25 | Stroller | newb: really? it does on my Sony Ericcson P990i |
| 18:54.28 | Chocky | ....no it doesn't |
| 18:54.30 | Chocky | not completely |
| 18:54.37 | newb | Stroller: haven't used Sony Ericcson |
| 18:54.43 | newb | Stroller: can say for Nokia |
| 18:54.46 | Chocky | it's impossible to do so. |
| 18:54.53 | summatusmentis | alright, fair enough |
| 18:54.55 | Stroller | newb: well, maybe it's not so good on the Sony E, actually. IIRC my Windows Mobile was better |
| 18:55.00 | Xaos | newb: check out the changes I made to the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Adjusting_the_Volume and see if that answers your volume questions |
| 18:55.21 | leinir | fuzzdk: For by far the majority of people, the software fix will be enough - but the hardware fix they are investigating is, last i heard, something they want users to be able to do :) |
| 18:55.21 | freerunnin | how do I run a .c patch from trac? |
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| 18:55.31 | newb | Stroller: see it carefully. It's a full text search that's taking place |
| 18:55.43 | leinir | (last i heard being earlier today :) ) |
| 18:55.51 | newb | Stroller: not many DBs have a full text search MySQL has it from v5 |
| 18:55.51 | torpor | YO |
| 18:55.57 | newb | MSSQL doesnt have it yet |
| 18:55.59 | Yasumoto | does anyone happen to know where the wallpaper is located? (and how I can change it from the default?) |
| 18:56.05 | newb | Oracle has it from v9 |
| 18:56.32 | newb | Stroller: i'm not using any SQL DB for this. it's plain B trees doing the job |
| 18:56.43 | Stroller | newb: I'm pretty sure my Windows Mobile phone did that. And my Mac certainly does. ;) |
| 18:56.59 | newb | Stroller: u mean the Searchlight app? possible. |
| 18:57.14 | Stroller | newb: Spotlight, yes |
| 18:57.38 | newb | Stroller: that's a brilliant app. |
| 18:58.00 | newb | Stroller: no it's not there in Windows Mobile. I have a HTC phone it certainly can't do this |
| 18:58.12 | newb | Stroller: Full Text search is a different ball game |
| 18:58.21 | Elleo | Yasumoto: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2 |
| 18:58.22 | Stroller | newb: I'm not putting you down. Surely many applications are not that great. Addressbooks included. It doesn't make me think "wow! that's different, though" |
| 18:58.23 | Elleo | it's set in gconf |
| 18:58.28 | dcordes | newb: which htc do you have? |
| 18:58.37 | newb | dcordes: Touch |
| 18:58.55 | Elleo | see "change wallpaper image" in the [1;2A"Adjust UI components at runtime"D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D section |
| 18:59.11 | Elleo | urgh |
| 18:59.12 | Yasumoto | Elleo: ohh, cool |
| 18:59.14 | Yasumoto | thanks a bunch :) |
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| 18:59.29 | newb | Xaos: am i supposed to save the alsa configs to all the files? |
| 18:59.34 | Stroller | newb: what do you mean by "full text search"? I'm pretty sure that on my HTC you'd type "B" and it would filter contacts with "B" in either their first or last name. All you're doing, then, is adding the "tags" or "comments" to the search criteria |
| 18:59.48 | zedstar_ | wurp2: i just did a step through a hello world program using gdb worked fine |
| 19:00.06 | Elleo | no problem |
| 19:00.24 | mmontour | wurp2|work: I don't know of any specific docs for debugging C apps on the Neo. But don't try to run the files in the .debug dirs - AFAIK they are just there to provide debugging symbols for gdb. Point gdb at the main app and it should find the symbols automatically |
| 19:00.37 | newb | Stroller: Full Text Search means u can type in any set of words and it will find u the best possible match. not a direct pattern match. Something like what Google does |
| 19:00.37 | pooze | what can I do to fix undefined reference to curl_xxxx@CURL_GNUTLS_3 ? I have libcurl-gnutls3 installed. |
| 19:00.39 | wurp2|work | mmontour: Yeah, except it didn't :-( |
| 19:00.41 | Xaos | newb: no...save to the one that matches the profile you want...I'm not sure, but I think they map to various speakers being on or off (headset, handset, speakerphone, etc) |
| 19:00.59 | freerunnin | ok, so I think i'm going to reflash OM2007.2, should I do the wiki's instructions? They are for gta01 and I have gta02 |
| 19:01.07 | newb | Xaos: confusing.. need to see if there are any docs |
| 19:01.08 | mmontour | wurp2|work: do you also have the -dbg packages for the libraries that the program is using? |
| 19:01.14 | wurp2|work | mmontour: I thought both were runnable - the debug one looks exactly like the other one to 'file', except that it has symbols |
| 19:01.16 | fuzzdk | leinir: thanks. I think I'll not cancel my order then - I simply can't wait no more :) |
| 19:01.17 | newb | Xaos: in the meantime |
| 19:01.20 | newb | i shall load Qtopia |
| 19:01.22 | wurp2|work | mmontour: Hrm, good question |
| 19:01.23 | Xaos | newb: where we're going...we don't need Docs |
| 19:01.24 | Xaos | ;-) |
| 19:01.38 | leinir | fuzzdk: Et rigtigt godt valg ;) |
| 19:01.41 | Stroller | newb: so if I type "mom" it will find "mum", too? Or if I misspell "mother" as "mothre"? |
| 19:02.05 | dcordes | newb: that's htc elf with omap850, right |
| 19:02.26 | newb | Stroller: in it's present form this code cannot do synonyms and homonyms but i do plan to include in the near future. |
| 19:02.33 | newb | Stroller what this does at present is |
| 19:03.14 | newb | Stroller: suppose you were looking for a Garcia's Famous Pizza but u typed in Garcia Pizza the application would return the best matched result ie. Garcia's Famous Pizza |
| 19:03.26 | DaveLab | :D |
| 19:03.41 | Stroller | newb: ah! ok. I see |
| 19:04.06 | Stroller | newb: that's cool & useful |
| 19:04.06 | DaveLab | pesky danes |
| 19:04.16 | newb | Stroller: yes on a phone it is |
| 19:04.23 | Xaos | newb: these qtopia images? http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 |
| 19:04.43 | Stroller | newb: to me, as a dumb end-user that doesn't seem revolutionary, only evolutionary. But I can see that it must make a big difference to the coding |
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| 19:05.02 | newb | Xaos: got them already. Flashing the phone as we speak i want to see how it is. would be interested in getting Enlightenment images also |
| 19:05.19 | newb | Stroller: yes true. |
| 19:06.10 | newb | Stroller: users expect the computer to have a more natural interface. In India there are many people who find a computer intimidating with a keyboard and a mouse. a device like Openmoko can really be an enabler here. |
| 19:06.22 | newb | sorry a device like Neo i meant |
| 19:07.17 | newb | Stroller: you will be surprised how many people own phones here. every month we have nearly 2 million new users! |
| 19:07.42 | leinir | It's fuzzy matching, basically... but when you start mixing metadata into it, well... :) |
| 19:07.56 | newb | leinir: yes... correct |
| 19:08.05 | Stroller | newb: yes. It would probably make a big difference to the likes of my mother |
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| 19:08.31 | newb | Stroller: whole lot of people. |
| 19:08.39 | leinir | Stroller: When your mum's able to search her list of contacts, and find the one named "Stroller Mumma's Boy" by searching for "son", well... :) |
| 19:08.52 | zedstar_ | phones could defiinitely use some decent searching now people will be storing loads more on them |
| 19:09.26 | zedstar_ | the iphone didnt even have searchable contacts until recently i believe |
| 19:10.17 | dlowe | if we can get a cut and paste mechanism in, we'll have really scored one over the iPhone |
| 19:10.17 | CVirus | slocate :-p |
| 19:10.24 | leinir | i was quite astonished to find that Qtopia doesn't have that, really |
| 19:10.26 | Chocky | grep |
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| 19:10.48 | DaveLab | right |
| 19:10.53 | DaveLab | it's annoying |
| 19:12.19 | leinir | Maybe with the 4.4 version they've done stuff to it... but i've a feeling they spent most of the effort for that one on the webkit stuff ;) |
| 19:12.20 | DaveLab | leinir, a search for mums mostly likely will and *should* start a return of local gardening stores and nurseries. |
| 19:12.21 | newb | zedstar_: iphone isn't such a great phone but as a device it's neat. they also seem to have forgotten the focus that users need to use a phone and not just a multimedia device |
| 19:12.52 | newb | leinir: webkit is great. is there a browser on Openmoko based on webkit? |
| 19:13.06 | DaveLab | Though I'm sure you could rig it to return matriarchal affiliations, first and foremost :p |
| 19:13.24 | DaveLab | newb, newp. |
| 19:13.48 | DaveLab | There's a really crappy one which doesn't do much of anything. |
| 19:13.58 | leinir | newb: Not yet, unfortunately, we're still waiting for the Qties's legal department (seemingly the slowest in the world) to get their collective backsides pulled together and release Qtopia 4.4 to us :) |
| 19:14.06 | DaveLab | Granted, like everything else, openmoko, all the applications are highly experimental. |
| 19:14.10 | Stroller | newb: leinir: well, using a Mac as my desktop, that's the kind of search featurefullnes I tend to expect. When I encounter less on a device I tend to sigh at what I'm required to tolerate. |
| 19:14.22 | zedstar_ | a port of tomboy to the freerunner be nice |
| 19:14.26 | newb | Stroller: lol |
| 19:15.00 | mmontour | wurp2|work: another thing to check is whether your apps were built with the "-g" compile flag. I have a SELECTED_OPTIMIZATION line in my build/conf/local.conf that includes that flag, but I don't know if it's actually necessary |
| 19:15.26 | wurp2|work | mmontour: OK, thanks |
| 19:15.39 | wurp2|work | mmontour: I think your question earlier may have solved our issue |
| 19:16.02 | wurp2|work | mmontour: I think the app may be a glib app, and main is not our func, hence has no debug info |
| 19:16.08 | Stroller | newb: maybe this is why I generally HATE smartphones. Although their size is surely a contributing factor, also |
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| 19:16.15 | wurp2|work | mmontour: (Obviously I'm just kibitzing, not doing real dev on it yet :-( |
| 19:16.27 | DaveLab | Aww |
| 19:16.38 | DaveLab | pats wurp2 |
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| 19:20.05 | lpotter | leinir: its not TT's legal thats stopping 4.4, it's just that it hasnt been released yet |
| 19:21.04 | leinir | lpotter: Really? Damn... please convey my pardons and i'm sure those of many others to your legal department, then, i was of the impression it'd been out for a considerable amount of time now :) |
| 19:21.16 | leinir | Qtopia just lags behind Qt desktop, i take it? :) |
| 19:21.46 | lpotter | yes |
| 19:22.42 | DaveLab | Hello Lpotter. |
| 19:22.51 | fish_ | are there somewhere daily snapshot images for ASU and FSO? |
| 19:22.58 | edistar | fish_: buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 19:23.31 | fish_ | edistar: well, the freerunner stuff is pretty old there |
| 19:23.45 | fish_ | oop |
| 19:23.47 | fish_ | oops |
| 19:23.53 | fish_ | damn, sorry ;) |
| 19:24.45 | lpotter | hi DaveLab |
| 19:24.46 | DaveLab | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080715/?C=M;O=D |
| 19:24.51 | DaveLab | Enjoy! |
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| 19:25.02 | edistar | fish_: yeah, roughly 17h ;) |
| 19:25.18 | DaveLab | :P~ |
| 19:25.38 | DaveLab | Don't let the funky international datestamps fool you! |
| 19:25.38 | DaveLab | :p |
| 19:26.40 | a2sauce2 | Howdy! Can I use this as a freerunner tech support line? |
| 19:26.58 | DaveLab | Hmm? |
| 19:27.01 | Xaos | a2sauce2: This is the only tech support line that I know of |
| 19:27.12 | DaveLab | Yes, you may. |
| 19:27.18 | Xaos | which is why I'm here ;-) |
| 19:27.20 | a2sauce2 | Thanks! |
| 19:27.22 | Xaos | begging for answers |
| 19:27.24 | Xaos | ;-) |
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| 19:27.30 | DaveLab | Let us be your lifeline for further technical issues, and let us show you the way to salvation. |
| 19:27.32 | fish_ | edistar: dunno, some days ago i stumbled about that and tought: oh, why aren't there any new images? (don't know where i was with my mind, stoned i guess) and since that i thought "well, seams like the buildhost is broken or something" ;)) |
| 19:28.13 | DaveLab | Fish, nah, but admittedly the various official OM repos are shittily maintained, and that reminds me I still have to have a "talk" with someone... about that. |
| 19:28.15 | ab0oo | does anyone know if lorn got the trolltech/qtopia package repository online yet? |
| 19:28.22 | DaveLab | ab0oo! |
| 19:28.23 | Xaos | Dave's getting religious here |
| 19:28.24 | DaveLab | I wish :p |
| 19:28.27 | ab0oo | the one that speak qpkg? |
| 19:28.28 | DaveLab | Xaos, hardly. |
| 19:28.42 | Xaos | ;-) |
| 19:28.43 | ab0oo | DaveLab: What lab are you in? |
| 19:29.14 | Xaos | booting up for first time after flashing the latest Qtopia image |
| 19:29.27 | Xaos | seems a slower boot than scaredycat's |
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| 19:30.07 | ab0oo | Xaos: I'll agree that the qtopia boot time is slower than any of the GTK images. |
| 19:30.22 | a2sauce2 | Sooooo... I "broke" my software keyboard on the freerunner trying to get a / or a_ in it... Now iit doesnt cycle through the letters at all... Then I tried to SSH into it. That didn't go well... So I was hoping someone smarter than me could help me out! |
| 19:30.37 | ab0oo | specifically, it takes longer for QTopier/window manager to come up. |
| 19:30.53 | leinir | ab0oo: That'll be ASU, then, yes? :) |
| 19:30.54 | Xaos | cool...lot's of new icons to play with in qtopia image |
| 19:31.00 | Chocky | lots |
| 19:31.04 | Chocky | no apostophe, please |
| 19:31.06 | Chocky | er |
| 19:31.07 | leinir | qtopia != ASU |
| 19:31.08 | Chocky | apostrophe |
| 19:31.50 | ab0oo | leinir: I was thinking OM2007.2 versus Trolltech's Qtopia |
| 19:32.10 | ab0oo | I've not mucked with ASU longer than it took to flash it, boot it, and get over it. |
| 19:32.11 | Stroller | Holy shit! Here comes an "s"! |
| 19:32.28 | doc|work | like an apostle but for grammar |
| 19:32.33 | Chocky | yessir |
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| 19:33.06 | Chocky | sorry for encourgaing clear communication. And sorry for hypocrisy in the matter with my many typos :-| |
| 19:33.18 | fish_ | DaveLab: well, i don't think thats the biggest problem. i think the biggest problem is that there are too many parallel systems/images.. if i had enough power i would force everbody into getting FSO done ;) |
| 19:33.42 | DaveLab | Speedevil, around? |
| 19:33.54 | DaveLab | fish: hah! |
| 19:34.03 | DaveLab | A noble campaign. |
| 19:34.03 | Chocky | fish_: stand up comedian ;-) |
| 19:34.05 | ab0oo | FSO does not use neod, is that correct? |
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| 19:34.18 | DaveLab | Chocky, that's your job. |
| 19:34.24 | DaveLab | ab0oo :P |
| 19:34.25 | Chocky | thought it was yours |
| 19:34.29 | DaveLab | hah |
| 19:34.33 | DaveLab | it's a team effort :) |
| 19:34.38 | Chocky | Ah, duo. |
| 19:34.38 | a2sauce2 | so am I screwed? |
| 19:34.44 | Chocky | h5s |
| 19:35.27 | Ainulindale | mmontour ? |
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| 19:35.33 | Ainulindale | Regarding your question about the -g flag |
| 19:35.41 | Ainulindale | (About what you were talking with wurp2|work) |
| 19:35.48 | Ainulindale | File describes the binary as not stripped |
| 19:35.55 | Ainulindale | So I guess there are debug symbols |
| 19:36.01 | Ainulindale | But the binary can't run |
| 19:36.20 | ab0oo | DaveLab: actually, that was a serious question. Does FSO get away from neod, and it's constant load-average-of-2 ? |
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| 19:37.30 | mmontour | Ainulindale: "not stripped" doesn't guarantee it was built with "-g" |
| 19:37.42 | newb | sleeps G'nite |
| 19:37.43 | Ainulindale | mmontour: it was built with bitbake |
| 19:37.46 | Ainulindale | I took the debug version |
| 19:37.52 | Ainulindale | So either bitbake doesn't use -g |
| 19:38.01 | Ainulindale | Either it does and I don't know what the problem is |
| 19:38.04 | DaveLab | ab0oo: no it was |
| 19:38.10 | DaveLab | ab0oo: that's why I was smiling |
| 19:38.21 | DaveLab | Anything that strays from it, I would be all for :p |
| 19:38.39 | DaveLab | It's broken in -oh so many- ways. |
| 19:38.40 | mmontour | I have in my build/conf/local.conf: SELECTED_OPTIMIZATION = "-Os -g" |
| 19:38.56 | DaveLab | Wish ecraven was here, we could kick back and rant about the whole thing :) |
| 19:39.03 | ab0oo | well, from the first line of the wiki page: neod is "disposable" code... gack |
| 19:39.21 | Ainulindale | mmontour: I'll try that |
| 19:39.33 | DaveLab | :D |
| 19:40.30 | Ainulindale | mmontour: oh, and do you know an easy way to replay bitbake compile phase ? |
| 19:40.47 | malik1972 | how can i switch to fullscreen in minimo? |
| 19:41.32 | ab0oo | malik1972: EXCELLENT question. |
| 19:41.40 | ab0oo | when you get an answer, ping me |
| 19:41.53 | mmontour | "bitbake -c rebuild packagename" will rebuild the whole thing. If you want to just re-run the compile phase you'd probably have to delete the appropriate file from the "tmp/stamps" directory and then "bitbake -c compile packagename" again |
| 19:42.18 | Ainulindale | Ok mmontour :-) |
| 19:42.20 | Ainulindale | Thanks a lot |
| 19:42.24 | mmontour | (I'm not an OE/bitbake expert, so please don't expect my answers to be correct all of the time) |
| 19:42.26 | malik1972 | abOoo: did you used http://www.ginguppin.de/node/16 |
| 19:43.00 | ab0oo | I did not. |
| 19:43.06 | ab0oo | I'm about to, though |
| 19:43.07 | Ainulindale | mmontour: by the way, make clean and bitbake -b package -c compile works too |
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| 19:43.27 | Xaos | holy CRAP! the qtopia image looks a LOT more polished than the GTK did... |
| 19:43.35 | a2sauce2 | well I guess if someone wants to help, I posted on the unofficial openmoko forum, So Ill wait for that... |
| 19:43.46 | malik1972 | abOoo: there is a hint to add keyboard to /etc/matchbox/session and to restart X |
| 19:43.48 | ab0oo | Xaos: right up to the point where you want either a terminal or a web browser, you're absolutely right |
| 19:43.55 | Chocky | laffs |
| 19:43.55 | fish_ | uhm.. is it possible to flash from the system? -> download via wlan and than flash it |
| 19:44.09 | Xaos | ab0oo: LOL |
| 19:44.15 | malik1972 | abOOo: but i cant see any diffs |
| 19:44.52 | ab0oo | hmm. |
| 19:45.16 | lpotter | qtopia has had a few more years to get polished |
| 19:45.39 | stephelton | anyone noticed openmoko-dates and openmoko-today thrashing very hard? or is it perhaps because i accidentally made a 2.5 year event that isn't handled well? |
| 19:47.17 | ab0oo | lpotter: any successon getting a package feed up for Qtopia's qpkgs? |
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| 19:48.57 | Ainulindale | mmontour: thanks a lot again |
| 19:49.04 | Chocky | hum. gpsdrive missing dependencies |
| 19:49.04 | Ainulindale | I now have debugging symbols |
| 19:49.08 | Xaos | ab0oo: what's wrong with the terminal? seems to work for me |
| 19:49.12 | mmontour | np |
| 19:49.27 | Chocky | or files, or something |
| 19:49.42 | ab0oo | there's a terminal in the qtopia build? |
| 19:49.52 | Xaos | qterminal under the applications |
| 19:49.55 | ab0oo | ha. lpotter must have just added that in the last two days. |
| 19:50.02 | Xaos | ahh...funny |
| 19:50.23 | Xaos | I still think (philosophically) that FSO is the future, but I have no problem using the qtopia until that happens |
| 19:50.48 | Chocky | finds qtopia immensly unusable |
| 19:50.58 | lpotter | ab0oo: not yet. had some other things I had to do |
| 19:51.14 | ab0oo | but you added qterminal to the build, so it's almost-as-good |
| 19:51.51 | ab0oo | malik1972: wow, it works for me |
| 19:51.58 | Xaos | of course, I haven't made a call using the qtopia image yet (nor have I installed an app or used gps) |
| 19:52.19 | leinir | is with Xaos re FSO :) |
| 19:52.20 | ab0oo | I just added the single word "keyboard" to the list of applets started by matchbox, and I got the icon in the top corner |
| 19:52.42 | Chocky | so, for very light calls, is T-Mobile 1000 minutes ($100 at 10c/min) really the best deal? |
| 19:52.46 | ab0oo | when I push the icon, the keyboard in minimo goes away. |
| 19:53.18 | ab0oo | now, how do I get to the pages I bookmarked in minimo |
| 19:53.28 | ab0oo | I can't seem to find "Show Bookmarks" anywhere |
| 19:53.29 | newb | Xaos: just tried Qtopia; seems more usable than the Openmoko image. but i think the poor audio quality issue still remains :( |
| 19:53.41 | rivalarrival | chocky: Do you use more than 1000 minutes per year? |
| 19:53.53 | Chocky | rivalarrival: right now I use zero minutes. |
| 19:54.04 | Chocky | I might use 1000 mins in 6 months, maybe 4 if I got carried away |
| 19:54.29 | rivalarrival | Then yes, the 1000 minute is the most cost effective tmobile prepaid plan. |
| 19:54.39 | ab0oo | for me, callers get echo when they call me with GTK, but I get buzzing and low send audio with QTopia. |
| 19:54.55 | Chocky | yes, but I meant of all US GSM plans everywhere. |
| 19:54.58 | Chocky | is there anything better? |
| 19:55.01 | malik1972 | abOoo: what did you changed? |
| 19:55.08 | Chocky | suspects not, but still can check ;-) |
| 19:55.19 | malik1972 | abOo: which distribution you use? |
| 19:55.20 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd4ce1cda4db3 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: set sidetone to minimum |
| 19:55.42 | ab0oo | I'm using the dailybuild of OM2007.2 |
| 19:55.47 | Martix | if you are using Jabber, visit openmoko@conference.jabber.org |
| 19:55.49 | ab0oo | from two days ago |
| 19:55.59 | sitwon | Chocky: I think TracFone (w/ double minutes) gets as low as $0.08/min or $0.06/min on certain specials |
| 19:56.06 | Chocky | hum. |
| 19:56.19 | sitwon | Chocky: but I haven't tried a TracFone SIM yet |
| 19:56.34 | sitwon | my ex GF has one that she might let me try |
| 19:56.34 | Chocky | is the T-Mobile PAYG free weekend minutes? |
| 19:56.48 | pooze | when trying to build openmoko-devel-image, I get some undefined references to some curl-functions in the edje-package. Any ideas? Missing dependency in the makefile somewhere? wrong curl-lib in the openmoko repo? wrong curl installed on system? I'm building for x86. |
| 19:57.04 | freerunnin | wow, the qtopia image is far more robust |
| 19:57.25 | sitwon | freerunnin: robust how? |
| 19:57.56 | rivalarrival | I wouldn't say robust, I'd say "mature", at least compared to the stock firmware. |
| 19:58.09 | freerunnin | sitwon, um, yeah mature is probably the better word to use |
| 19:58.14 | Chocky | yes, but the same is true of the daily GTK builds |
| 19:58.17 | Xaos | I'm digging the qtopia...need to let it run for a couple of days, but like it so far....now, how do I get the app manager to work? are the repositories blank? sheesh! |
| 19:59.00 | freerunnin | Chocky, are the daily GTK builds much more responsive than the stock software? |
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| 20:00.11 | sitwon | freerunnin: wasn't trying to give you a hard time or anything, but "robust" is kinda vague and I was hoping you'd elaborate on what, specifically, you like better about it |
| 20:00.18 | ab0oo | Xaos: that's the reason I'm back on OM2007.2. I'm a huge Qtopia fan, but until lpotter gets the feeds updated (or tells me how to set up a private feed on localhost, which I assume involves creating a Packages index), I'm having more luck with the OM2007.2 build |
| 20:00.21 | sitwon | I agree it seems much more mature |
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| 20:00.47 | freerunnin | sitwon, it booted faster and in general it seems more responsive |
| 20:00.58 | Xaos | can't you just put the repositories in via vi over ssh? |
| 20:00.59 | freerunnin | sitwon, easy menus for changing prefs |
| 20:01.05 | ab0oo | I think it's slightly more responsive, has much better integration for the wifi. I like the feel of the SMS app and the dialer is more better. |
| 20:01.23 | Xaos | ab0oo: which one are you talking about? |
| 20:01.26 | Xaos | qtopia? |
| 20:01.35 | ab0oo | to date, I'm still really looking for a GUI mixer control, and a browser for QTopia |
| 20:01.39 | ab0oo | Xaos: yes, qtopia |
| 20:01.54 | sitwon | freerunnin: if you haven't noticed it yet, you'll also find the suspend actually works in qtopia but not 2007.2 it seems |
| 20:02.08 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r5397124644e8 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: opgsd: Support sending of variable length messages |
| 20:02.42 | malik1972 | abOoo: i have qtopia on nand and test 2007.2 on sd |
| 20:03.04 | xirt | apparently my ear keeps pressing the call hangup button |
| 20:03.16 | DaveLab | Conclusion after reading the hardware mailing list for an hour or so: <3 Joerg. |
| 20:03.36 | malik1972 | abOoo: did you changed /etc/matchbox/session, restarted X and minimo behaved well? |
| 20:03.38 | ab0oo | there's a gui mixer for Qtopia, but no browser. I contacted Torch (they sell a browser for embedded devices), and their response was "There's no market for the openmoko, and it's not an 'interesting' device because it lacks 3G" |
| 20:03.47 | Xaos | malik: that's what I'll probably end up with...stable telephone in nand and development fun on SD |
| 20:03.51 | ab0oo | malik1972: yes |
| 20:03.55 | DaveLab | And laugh at their silly antenna misadventures. |
| 20:04.08 | malik1972 | abOoo: you are a lucky one |
| 20:04.11 | malik1972 | hmm |
| 20:04.12 | Xaos | ab0oo: Torch sucks |
| 20:04.27 | ab0oo | Xaos: was that your opinion before or after my comment? |
| 20:04.44 | ab0oo | because I was a little put off by their response. |
| 20:05.51 | lpotter | qtopia 4.4 has a browser |
| 20:06.08 | ab0oo | I told them I would still like to hear updates, and if they could please send them to my Haywood Jablowme account |
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| 20:06.23 | freerunnin | sitwon, it does? nice. I haven't unplugged it yet |
| 20:06.24 | Xaos | I don't even know who Torch is (I'm pretty ignorant) |
| 20:06.37 | Xaos | so that was just based on your comment ;-) |
| 20:06.42 | ab0oo | lpotter: I know. It's based on WebKit, and I drool whenever I think about it. And it's due out when? |
| 20:06.52 | freerunnin | sitwon: FSU is going to be a combo of GTK and qtopia, right? |
| 20:07.09 | freerunnin | hopefully that will be a good middle ground |
| 20:07.12 | sitwon | I believe so |
| 20:07.20 | danw | guys, if I were to order a freerunner soon what is the likelihood of being hit by the faulty GPS issue? |
| 20:07.23 | lpotter | ab0oo: few more weeks |
| 20:07.24 | sitwon | GTK + Qtopia + E |
| 20:07.41 | freerunnin | ah |
| 20:07.42 | leinir | danw: 100% :) However, the software fix fixes it for everybody :) |
| 20:07.54 | ab0oo | lpotter: is there an rss feed, or a mailing list, or something I can subscribe to to watch for it? |
| 20:07.56 | danw | ah ok so there is nothing wrong with the hardware itself? |
| 20:08.00 | sitwon | danw: the issue will be solved by a software fix and supposedly a "simple" hw fix |
| 20:08.09 | danw | hmmmmm |
| 20:08.20 | leinir | danw: The dodgy soldering is not common at all, and the dodgy connector is an easy fix you can do yourself with a torx screwdriver and a pair of plyers :) |
| 20:08.37 | danw | are we talking simple as in solder a contact together, or simple as in reflash a PIC chip |
| 20:08.53 | ab0oo | leinir: does that fix the "gps won't lock with SD card in place" problem? |
| 20:09.04 | danw | leinir: would that void my warranty? |
| 20:09.10 | leinir | danw: No :) |
| 20:09.31 | sitwon | danw: the issue is that the SD card generates noise that interferes with the GPS antenna, the software fix turns off the SD clock when not reading or writing to it allowing the GPS sufficient time to get a fix in most situations |
| 20:09.39 | leinir | ab0oo: No, that's the software fix that's being worked on :) (turn off SD clock when not needed) |
| 20:09.49 | mmontour | danw: Wait for official instructions from Openmoko before trying any hardware modifications |
| 20:09.50 | freerunnin | i think it's just the initial fix |
| 20:10.02 | sitwon | danw: no details yet on what the hw fix will entail, but thre is the question on the ML of whether or not you even *have* a warranty |
| 20:10.03 | freerunnin | so it suspends sd access until the intial fix is acquired |
| 20:10.17 | danw | i.c. |
| 20:10.39 | leinir | freerunnin: No, it turns off the SD clock when the card isn't in use - not only does it fix the TTFF problem for the vast majority, it also reduces the device's power draw :) |
| 20:10.41 | ab0oo | interesting that it's just the initial fix bothered by the SD clock |
| 20:10.58 | ab0oo | and frees up more CPU for neod to suck down. |
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| 20:11.01 | sitwon | freerunnin: no it just suspends SD whenever there is no active I/O to the card (which improves battery life) so as long as there's not constant I/O (very unlikely anyways) you can get a fix in a reasonable ammount of time |
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| 20:11.16 | Xaos | can you install tangogps on the qtopia image or would it implode? ;-) |
| 20:11.28 | freerunnin | haha, ok sorry |
| 20:11.30 | DaveLab | likely not |
| 20:11.45 | rivalarrival | The only real problem with the SD card has been during TTFF. Once the initial fix has been acquired, there's no problem maintaining it with the SD card on. |
| 20:12.05 | sitwon | Xaos: I don't think so, the Qtopia image doesn't seem to run GTK software |
| 20:13.16 | Xaos | sitwon: someone listed "yes?" on qtopia running gtk software...do we need to update that to a "no?" |
| 20:13.47 | lpotter | ASU is not qtopia |
| 20:13.52 | mmontour | Xaos: the "yes" was probably talking about a qtopia-x11 (ASU) image |
| 20:13.54 | sitwon | Xaos: someone listed "yes" and I added the "?" because I couldn't get it to work |
| 20:14.03 | Xaos | ahh...thanks |
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| 20:14.23 | Xaos | mmontour: there is a separate column for ASU |
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| 20:14.49 | freerunnin | Xaos, i think that there's an application called qpegps for qtopia |
| 20:14.50 | freerunnin | umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 20:14.55 | freerunnin | oops, wrong paste |
| 20:14.58 | mmontour | oh. |
| 20:15.02 | Xaos | freerunnin: cool...thanks! |
| 20:15.14 | freerunnin | http://qpegps.sourceforge.net |
| 20:15.18 | freerunnin | haha, welcome. |
| 20:17.59 | daMaestro | success!... there was someone home to sign for my phone today |
| 20:18.22 | freerunnin | daMaestro, congrats, now those you love will be neglected |
| 20:18.31 | freerunnin | :) |
| 20:18.47 | daMaestro | haha, no; $dayjob will keep me from the freerunner for some time |
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| 20:18.50 | peepsalot | i got a message from ups that mine is supposed to come today, some time between 8am and 7pm... *rolleyes* |
| 20:18.51 | daMaestro | at least until next weekend |
| 20:19.06 | daMaestro | peepsalot, there has to be someone to sign |
| 20:19.10 | peepsalot | i know |
| 20:19.14 | daMaestro | k |
| 20:19.19 | peepsalot | that's why i'm working from home today |
| 20:19.45 | peepsalot | hopefully they didn't come at 8 cause I was fast asleep :-P |
| 20:19.53 | DaveLab | Jon o/ |
| 20:20.42 | mmontour | peepsalot: Check the door to see if they stuck on a "sorry, we missed you" card without ever knocking. |
| 20:21.27 | peepsalot | door is clean, they have about 3.5 more hours till 7pm here |
| 20:22.24 | ab0oo | ok, quittin time. see you fellows later. |
| 20:22.38 | peepsalot | g'night |
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| 20:25.29 | saurabh1403 | can anyone tell me if ipkg works in the FR |
| 20:25.43 | Chocky | it doesn't. it's not there, use opkg :p |
| 20:26.05 | danw | everywhere seems to have sold out |
| 20:26.16 | saurabh1403 | well, then can we package a sample source using toolchain to opkg |
| 20:26.54 | doc|work | I like zedlock |
| 20:26.58 | doc|work | the idea at least |
| 20:26.59 | saurabh1403 | wiki for toolchain says the command "ipkg install <file>.ipk" |
| 20:27.05 | mmontour | danw: www.koolu.com still claims to have stock |
| 20:27.38 | sitwon | danw: have no fear, they will produce more and the official store will be restocked |
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| 20:29.05 | almien | anyone know approximate numbers that were sold? |
| 20:29.14 | cjb | argh |
| 20:29.38 | cjb | got a new SIM, still gives the same cme error |
| 20:29.43 | sitwon | almien: I would guess more than 10,000 |
| 20:29.54 | wesker | sry for the question, but are you actually able to do calls with it? |
| 20:30.03 | wesker | and sms? |
| 20:30.18 | sitwon | wesker: depending on the software... yes |
| 20:30.44 | saurabh1403 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:31.09 | wesker | thx...so the software that comes with it should be able to do it right? |
| 20:31.24 | wesker | or will there be nothing preinstalled? |
| 20:32.16 | fish_ | well, which image is that? ASU? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ |
| 20:32.21 | Centaur5 | wesker: I've been using it as my only phone and it does phone calls and SMS fine. |
| 20:32.35 | fish_ | looks like 2007.2.. uhm |
| 20:33.01 | wesker | gr8 thx |
| 20:33.15 | mmontour | wesker: basic phone functionality works for some people, but others have issues with SIMs or audio quality. |
| 20:33.15 | Xaos | (potentially) stupid question: is there an easy way to flash an image onto the SD card? link? |
| 20:34.02 | mmontour | Xaos: AFAIK no - you have to copy the files under Linux (either on the Freerunner or from a PC + card reader) |
| 20:34.08 | Centaur5 | Is there an easy way to disable the sound when you tap the screen? |
| 20:34.52 | Xaos | mmontour: ok...thanks...I'll follow the wiki that describes that way then |
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| 20:37.12 | sitwon | has anyone found an easy way to convert or extract a jffs2 image? I tried to mount it as I would an ISO but I got "unknown filesystem" |
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| 20:37.48 | mmontour | sitwon: the keyword you want is "mtdram". It's on the wiki somewhere |
| 20:38.22 | pooze | ok, since nobody could help me compile openmoko-devel, I now have another question. I'm currently running Qemu with qtopia-image.. How can I get a terminal? |
| 20:40.43 | sitwon | mmontour: none of the modules modprobed in the example exist on my system... |
| 20:41.03 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r44e3bdc90e48 10/src/zhone: only resize the main edje group |
| 20:41.04 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rb5a8104ec096 10/src/zhone: implment adding and deleting contacts |
| 20:41.04 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rc9f8a466ffe3 10/src/zhone: use the real sim phonebook |
| 20:41.05 | mmontour | sitwon: time to fire up your compiler then :) |
| 20:41.26 | sitwon | mmontour: where would I get the source? are they in the vanilla kernel? |
| 20:41.57 | sitwon | uses Slackware, not *buntu or Debian |
| 20:42.30 | mmontour | Should be. They're in OpenSUSE 10.3. |
| 20:43.33 | sitwon | hmm... I'll pull the latest kernel sources and recompile tonite... I might as well stay up since I get on the bus at 6am tomorrow |
| 20:43.46 | sitwon | is gonna be at The Last HOPE |
| 20:44.55 | pooze | hmm... does one need a certain voice permission in this channel? how do one ask questions? can anybody even see this question? |
| 20:45.12 | sitwon | pooze: we see you, what's your question? |
| 20:45.36 | sitwon | oh |
| 20:45.42 | Stroller | pooze: yes, I can see your questions |
| 20:45.43 | sitwon | which Qtopia image? |
| 20:46.10 | pooze | the one that comes with 'make qemu', just a sec and I'll see if I can find the version. |
| 20:46.17 | sitwon | Terminal was just added in the latest snapshot |
| 20:46.19 | pooze | but it doesn't seem very responsive no matter what I do. |
| 20:47.16 | wesker | yeah have the same issue |
| 20:47.22 | wesker | just started qtopia |
| 20:47.23 | Xaos | How does the ASU compare to the pure Qtopia image? I get the fact that one is x11 and the other isn't, but what about the rest? |
| 20:47.24 | pooze | Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080710-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 seems to be the one. |
| 20:47.32 | pooze | althought gta01, it should do something at least? |
| 20:48.01 | sitwon | Xaos: ASU has a completely different UI |
| 20:48.13 | sitwon | and different software as well |
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| 20:48.24 | Xaos | what about phone call stability and functionality? |
| 20:48.26 | mjr | pooze, gta01 and gta02 require their own jffs2 images |
| 20:48.35 | Xaos | oh he11...I'll just flash it and play with it |
| 20:48.44 | sitwon | Xaos: that's what I do ;-) |
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| 20:48.52 | Xaos | how long until my flash wears out again? ;-) |
| 20:48.59 | sitwon | 2 more days |
| 20:49.12 | Xaos | probably at this rate ;-) |
| 20:49.19 | dunno | sitwon: somebody installed slackware on the neo http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/9c906dbf67ab7531ae81dd3a520f2af4.png |
| 20:49.20 | LetoTo | hm 8000 failed fixes :P |
| 20:49.39 | pooze | mjr: qemu was started with -M gta01 (to emulate gta01, since I read gta02 wasn't really supported), and the image seems to be gta01 as well, from the one posted above |
| 20:50.07 | mjr | well, I didn't read too much context |
| 20:50.53 | sitwon | dunno: that SS could be *any* distro... |
| 20:51.42 | sitwon | Slackware is 99.9% vanilla packages |
| 20:52.31 | LetoTo | the sdcard workaround is kinda useless? cause when you turn off the openmoko to insert the sdcard again, you need a new first fix? |
| 20:52.41 | peepsalot | is it bad to attach images to email to the mailing list? |
| 20:52.44 | LetoTo | workaround as 'remove' card |
| 20:52.52 | peepsalot | my email is being moderated for being more than 40kb |
| 20:53.04 | sitwon | peepsalot: host it and link to it |
| 20:53.27 | pooze | LetoTo: I guess it turns off the software usage of the SD-card, so no need to physically remove it. |
| 20:53.27 | sitwon | LetoTo: SW fix will solve it, upgrade |
| 20:53.31 | mjr | LetoTo, it's not really a proper workaround, more of a testing thing. Though you can keep it powered through USB while inserting the card if you like... |
| 20:53.47 | dunno | anyway i think its nice to see its possible, nice but useless |
| 20:54.48 | Stroller | peepsalot: yes, it is bad. Post a URL |
| 20:54.54 | mmontour | LetoTo: what mjr said, and also the software will eventually mature to a point where the GPS almanac + last location will be saved/restored across a reboot |
| 20:55.09 | LetoTo | nod |
| 20:55.10 | LetoTo | ah |
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| 20:55.39 | mjr | yeah, the software afaik exists already, "just" integration needed |
| 20:55.45 | LetoTo | btw. I'm pretty impressed with the neo |
| 20:56.55 | peepsalot | do you guys see a reply from thehans@gmail.com to the thread "Re: Ears and FR - Display Locker". i see it, but not sure if it's just my mail client showing that i sent that |
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| 20:57.45 | Stroller | peepsalot: it's surely just gmail doing that |
| 20:57.59 | peepsalot | ok, i will send again w/ link |
| 20:58.08 | peepsalot | i cancelled the first |
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| 20:59.33 | wesker | wich is the best ui i should use |
| 20:59.42 | wesker | and the fastest? |
| 21:00.09 | Ainulindale | matchbox-terminal ? |
| 21:00.29 | wesker | gtk, kde, enlightenment? |
| 21:00.43 | leinir | wesker: This exact moment? That'll be the qtopia image :) |
| 21:00.47 | wesker | i saw in some vids that reaction time was pretty bad with gtk |
| 21:01.16 | Xaos | raw qtopia was definitely faster than GTK (once it booted up) |
| 21:01.18 | wesker | qtopia is based on qt? |
| 21:01.26 | Xaos | such a smart boy |
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| 21:01.34 | Xaos | </sarcasm> |
| 21:01.45 | LetoTo | is there a qtopia raw sdcard image that can be installed? |
| 21:01.54 | LetoTo | eg that i can just dd= to a sdcard? |
| 21:02.07 | Blalien | anyone tried aircrack? |
| 21:02.30 | sitwon | Blalien: on an ARM? are you bored or something? |
| 21:03.01 | pjz | IMAGE YOU'RE USING ROLL CALL |
| 21:03.12 | pjz | 2007.2 |
| 21:03.17 | Blalien | sitwon: Yeah, it would be very handy when I'm on vacation. |
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| 21:03.54 | sitwon | Blalien: I hope you take long vacations... it would take a year to crack a 40-bit WEP key on an ARM |
| 21:04.15 | sitwon | on a C2D it takes about 5min |
| 21:04.16 | Xaos | LOL |
| 21:04.37 | fish_ | sitwon: lol? |
| 21:04.47 | Blalien | sitwon: I was thinking to go to the moon. O wait they don't have Wi-fi over there... |
| 21:05.12 | fish_ | sitwon: i guess it should take only a few minutes on an ARM too |
| 21:05.18 | Xaos | sitwon: on a R2D2 it takes about 5 msec |
| 21:05.52 | Blalien | sitwon: It is supported, so I think they thought about it. |
| 21:06.10 | sitwon | fish_: how do you reason? The ARM is a LOT slower... |
| 21:06.16 | SpeedEvil | The card can't do promisc mode. |
| 21:06.17 | mjr | FR's wifi won't do monitor mode anyway |
| 21:06.21 | mjr | semiecho |
| 21:06.22 | SpeedEvil | sitwon: it's not that much slower. |
| 21:06.52 | fish_ | sitwon: yeah, but cracking a WEP key isnt that complex |
| 21:06.54 | SpeedEvil | sitwon: the clock speed is some 4-10 times slower. |
| 21:06.58 | sitwon | SpeedEvil: you think it's fast enough to crack WEP in a reasonable amount of time? |
| 21:07.47 | SpeedEvil | sitwon: Neglecting the fact there is no hardware |
| 21:07.59 | sitwon | ok so 20-50min instead of 5 min... but the difference is on a Laptop I can do raw packet injection to generate the number of packes necessary to crack it in 5 min... the Neo doesn't even have Monitor mode |
| 21:08.35 | fish_ | that all depends on the attack you use for cracking the key |
| 21:08.37 | sitwon | keep in mind that ammount of packets you need usually won't generate themselves that quicly |
| 21:08.59 | fish_ | for aircrack-ptw thats "actual computation takes about 3 seconds and 3 MB main memory on a Pentium-M 1.7 GHz and can additionally be optimized for devices with slower CPUs." |
| 21:09.16 | sitwon | fish_: you still need a lot of packets for that |
| 21:09.24 | fish_ | sitwon: no |
| 21:09.44 | sitwon | fish_: the FR can't do monitor mode anyways (at least not yet) |
| 21:09.54 | sitwon | so you wouldn't even have 1 packet.... |
| 21:10.12 | retracile | Related question: can the FR act as an AP? |
| 21:10.34 | fish_ | sitwon: with 50k packets you have a 50% chance to crack an 128bit key |
| 21:10.35 | mjr | retracile, no |
| 21:10.46 | mjr | same reason: the proprietary wlan firmware doesn't support it |
| 21:10.51 | SpeedEvil | retracile: yes |
| 21:10.59 | SpeedEvil | retracile: I dunno - I thought it could |
| 21:11.11 | fish_ | sitwon: you can achieve that in ~1 minute with an active attack like arp-injecting |
| 21:11.37 | fish_ | mjr: but i guess the firmware can be hacked? |
| 21:11.44 | sitwon | SpeedEvil: I tried it today w/ "iwconfig eth0 mode Master" and had no luck |
| 21:11.47 | mjr | yeah sure, have fun with that |
| 21:11.54 | SpeedEvil | mjr: Sure. Please do. |
| 21:11.58 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 21:12.03 | SpeedEvil | fish_: Sure, please do. |
| 21:12.24 | fish_ | hw is atheros, right? |
| 21:12.37 | mjr | fish_, yes, but not the atheros you probably think, and no it won't work |
| 21:12.47 | sitwon | fish_: it's Atheros hardware, but not the same chip supported by madwifi |
| 21:13.32 | sitwon | keeps one of those handy for running aircrack on his laptop |
| 21:13.35 | fish_ | well, hacking a alternative firmware/hal was at least possible for the madwifi supported atheros chipsets |
| 21:13.38 | mjr | wonders idly that it'd ease funky things if the firmware would support some "passthrough" softmac mode... |
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| 21:13.46 | retracile | throws his mobile wireless router idea out the window |
| 21:14.12 | SpeedEvil | There are other fun things that can be done with rawer access to the hardware. |
| 21:14.18 | sitwon | retracile: you can still use Ad-hoc mode... but we need routing ability |
| 21:14.30 | mjr | yes, ad-hoc should be usable |
| 21:14.36 | SpeedEvil | For example, RF hardware is only on .1 in 10 seconds, and packets are queued on the host side. |
| 21:14.46 | sitwon | no iptables... (yet?) |
| 21:15.21 | LetoTo | i saw the kernel modules |
| 21:15.26 | LetoTo | prog just opkg install them |
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| 21:17.28 | sitwon | LetoTo: hmm.. but what about the 'iptables' utility? |
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| 21:18.40 | LetoTo | sitwon: didnt look for that yet. my phone is in the window trying to find satelites :) |
| 21:19.00 | fish_ | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ <- this is 2007.2, right? |
| 21:19.09 | sitwon | "opkg list | grep iptables" just turned up kernel modules |
| 21:19.13 | SpeedEvil | passes LetoTo xephem, and some binoculars. |
| 21:20.17 | Xaos | can I use the 20080717 uImage file with the 20080716 qtopia-x11 filesystem? |
| 21:20.43 | cjb | sounds fine to me. |
| 21:20.56 | cjb | but don;t assume I know what I'm talking about :) |
| 21:21.06 | Xaos | and is there a reason to update my uboot? I'm still running what came on the phone |
| 21:21.15 | LetoTo | xephem? :) |
| 21:21.23 | Xaos | (I have no debug board, but I understand that's not a problem with the FR) |
| 21:21.36 | LetoTo | ah |
| 21:21.37 | sitwon | is the SW fix in the new uImage? and do I need to flash it or is opkg upgrade enough? |
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| 21:24.29 | Ainulindale | Does anybody know how to get the gtype of a glib object ? |
| 21:26.14 | cjb | man, my screen is covered in fingerprints already. how should it be cleaned? |
| 21:26.45 | Xaos | cjb: lick it and then wipe it on your jeans |
| 21:26.53 | Xaos | well...that's what I do |
| 21:26.55 | cjb | :) |
| 21:27.03 | sitwon | I never removed the original plastic covering... I just have to keep smoothing out the bubbles |
| 21:27.40 | Xaos | sitwon: I kept mine on for two days...then it just annoyed the crap outta me...I gotta get some real screen protectors |
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| 21:28.14 | retracile | uses a baby washcloth |
| 21:28.30 | sitwon | Xaos: I'm probably gonna get a better screen protector eventually... but until then the original plastic works fine |
| 21:29.29 | mmaestri | http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Screen-Protector-OPenmoko-Neo1973_W0QQitemZ180265712050QQihZ008QQcategoryZ20336QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 21:29.56 | mmaestri | ...or http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Screen-Protector-OPenmoko-Neo1973_W0QQitemZ110237137197QQihZ001QQcategoryZ20336QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247 |
| 21:30.43 | mmaestri | screen protectors are the only result on ebay when you type "openmoko" |
| 21:31.12 | retracile | that's 'cause you'll have to pry our Neo's from our cold, dead fingers. ;) |
| 21:32.20 | Xaos | retracile: be careful what you say...they finally got Heston's gun too |
| 21:32.36 | Xaos | (is it too soon for that joke?) |
| 21:33.12 | retracile | Xaos: heh. I was waiting for someone to reply with "I find your offer.... acceptable" :) |
| 21:33.22 | Xaos | hehe |
| 21:33.39 | retracile | (as seen on /. ) |
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| 21:43.06 | doc|work | hah, they didn't get his gun. He won |
| 21:45.34 | Xaos | doc...no...they DID get it...of course they had to pry it... |
| 21:45.51 | doc|work | no, they never got it, pried or otherwise :) |
| 21:47.02 | Stroller | Wasn't he addressing an NRA rally when he said that? |
| 21:47.35 | Stroller | I guess that means his gun went to the scrap merchants or something, if no NRA members got it. |
| 21:47.37 | doc|work | very possibly |
| 21:47.51 | doc|work | or is still in his estate |
| 21:48.40 | doc|work | ieatlint: how did you get that email address? |
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| 21:49.53 | ieatlint | ? |
| 21:50.24 | doc|work | @tehinterweb.com |
| 21:50.37 | ieatlint | oh, i bought tehinterweb.com |
| 21:50.39 | doc|work | has deleted the email now :( |
| 21:50.40 | SpeedEvil | has suitable screen protectors (for freeruner) for $5us shipped free. |
| 21:50.41 | doc|work | oh, nice :) |
| 21:50.48 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: link! |
| 21:50.53 | ieatlint | and i'm running google apps on it |
| 21:50.54 | SpeedEvil | PM |
| 21:50.56 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: suitable and good? |
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| 21:51.11 | SpeedEvil | Suitable as in very clear, and will protect the screen 100% |
| 21:51.15 | doc|work | nice |
| 21:51.15 | mmaestri | how's that SpeedEvil? |
| 21:51.19 | SpeedEvil | And easily replacable. |
| 21:51.22 | ieatlint | i'm also connected to irc from tehinterweb.com ... yay.. |
| 21:51.26 | doc|work | ieatlint: :) |
| 21:51.50 | SpeedEvil | They are not however completely scratchproof, and will need replaced if you use them with diamond styluses. |
| 21:52.00 | doc|work | ah |
| 21:52.04 | Xaos | Just booting up with the ASU image...I like the boot progress bar, but it needs to be red and look more like a cylon ;-) |
| 21:52.36 | mmaestri | SpeedEvil: link? |
| 21:52.53 | SpeedEvil | message me - I don't have them setup on a website. |
| 21:57.16 | Chocky | mooses |
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| 21:58.27 | ieatlint | the plural of moose is moose, mooses is incorrect |
| 21:59.04 | Xaos | meeses? |
| 21:59.20 | Xaos | Goose -> Geese Moose -> Meese |
| 21:59.45 | doc|work | Mouse -> Mice, Moose ... er, wait .... |
| 21:59.48 | Chocky | Correct. |
| 22:00.02 | Chocky | Muse |
| 22:00.19 | doc|work | what's the plural of Muse then? Muses? |
| 22:00.19 | Chocky | preciousses |
| 22:00.26 | Xaos | no...a Muse is a hot chick on roller skates |
| 22:00.32 | Chocky | laffs |
| 22:00.41 | Xaos | Chocky's seen Xanadu |
| 22:00.51 | doc|work | lost |
| 22:00.52 | Xaos | Chocky must be old (hehe) |
| 22:00.52 | Chocky | no, I was thinking more Boogie Nights |
| 22:00.58 | Xaos | oh |
| 22:00.59 | Xaos | nevermind |
| 22:01.01 | Chocky | heh |
| 22:01.24 | Chocky | although I don't know that "Muse" was mentioned anywhere. just the rollerchick |
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| 22:07.00 | trix | peepsalot, i don't see your message in that thread (yet) but i'm glad to know i'm not the only one hanging up with my ear. |
| 22:09.00 | peepsalot | trix, well, i haven't been hanging up with my ear, since I don't have a freerunner yet. :-P but I definitely see the possibility of that being a problem. i was just adding some suggestions to the discussion |
| 22:09.03 | Xaos | anyone know which is the best ASU image to use currently? |
| 22:11.25 | trix | peepsalot, oh, soon enough then :) i hung up on a friend, on accident, twice in 15 minutes. i like the ideas in that thread though, especially using the accelerometers |
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| 22:13.34 | SpeedEvil | Loo also on the wiki, in the category accelerometers |
| 22:13.38 | SpeedEvil | ^k |
| 22:18.02 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rf0e7876129f2 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: fix two typos in SimDeleteEntry |
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| 22:21.33 | iowaboy | how would I import contacts into the qtopia image? |
| 22:26.54 | peepsalot | it's heeeeeere |
| 22:27.35 | kelvie_work | grats :) |
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| 22:35.18 | edistar | how many gta01's were produced? |
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| 22:43.01 | Xaos | Woo Hoo peeps! |
| 22:45.09 | lpotter | new qtopia image for freerunner at qtopia.net that fixes the display corruption on resume |
| 22:46.04 | gmaxwell | resume? I didn't think the qtopia image supported suspend/resume. |
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| 22:47.10 | ieatlint | it supports suspend, that i know |
| 22:47.14 | ieatlint | but the resume is new |
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| 22:47.41 | gmaxwell | heheh |
| 22:47.43 | edistar | ieatlint: qtopia or ASU? |
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| 22:48.32 | ieatlint | they all have resume issues |
| 22:48.36 | dtx | hey how do you open the freerunner to put the battery and MicroSD card in? |
| 22:48.52 | gmaxwell | dtx: guitar pick |
| 22:48.54 | gmaxwell | ;) |
| 22:48.54 | ieatlint | dremel |
| 22:48.56 | cjb | dtx: I used my fingernail |
| 22:49.03 | cjb | dtx: in at the top, slide over to the sides |
| 22:49.05 | gmaxwell | fingernail or USB cable both work. |
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| 22:49.32 | Infinyte | >_> |
| 22:49.37 | Infinyte | Hai. |
| 22:49.44 | dtx | so you pry it open? |
| 22:49.52 | dtx | or you push into that slot? |
| 22:50.04 | Infinyte | *Noobie* So, I just got my Freerunner. How do I get the latest software onto it? |
| 22:50.15 | ieatlint | dtx, yes, both |
| 22:50.19 | lpotter | gmaxwell: i added mwesters kernel that actuaaly resumes for the most part |
| 22:50.31 | Chocky | Infinyte: read the getting started guide on the wiki |
| 22:51.05 | Chocky | dtx: you should read the getting started guide too |
| 22:51.05 | dtx | oh ok |
| 22:51.06 | dtx | got it |
| 22:51.10 | dtx | I didn't see one |
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| 22:51.18 | doc|work | mmmmfreerunner |
| 22:51.30 | Infinyte | Well yeah.. But it confuses me. :< |
| 22:51.31 | Infinyte | Err, I guess I have a simpler question: Do I just upgrade/update on the phone. Or should I Flash it with the newest build? |
| 22:51.33 | dtx | do I need to fully charge the battery before first use? |
| 22:51.36 | Chocky | I guess no one looks at the bit of green paper which says to look at the wiki |
| 22:51.42 | Chocky | dtx: wiki! |
| 22:51.52 | doc|work | Chocky: not true, you did, I did |
| 22:51.55 | Chocky | ;-) |
| 22:52.00 | doc|work | I'm sure there were at least a few others |
| 22:52.05 | Chocky | ok, so 5 of us |
| 22:52.08 | Infinyte | I did. >_> It just confuses me a bit. |
| 22:52.09 | Chocky | anyway, it's all there. |
| 22:52.12 | Chocky | wiki karma |
| 22:52.24 | doc|work | Infinyte: it's not so bad once you actually read it |
| 22:52.26 | Chocky | understands that the content is excessive and confusing |
| 22:52.32 | doc|work | just seems overwhelming at first |
| 22:52.36 | Chocky | it'll improved, like everything else |
| 22:52.40 | Chocky | it needs to be broken up. |
| 22:52.46 | Chocky | it's turning into a manual |
| 22:53.17 | Infinyte | Well, I can understand most of the procedures. I'm just wondering what Should be done I suppose, not SO much how to do it. |
| 22:53.46 | Chocky | true |
| 22:53.59 | doc|work | grrrrs at sales@openmoko |
| 22:54.16 | biovore | yeah.. I emailed sales@openmoko.com and never got a reply |
| 22:54.17 | gmaxwell | Until things like resume / SD clock fix are in the builds I dunno why there would be a compelling reason to upgrade unless you're going to do system level development. |
| 22:54.25 | mmontour | It doesn't help that the wiki main page has two different links called "Neo FreeRunner" (under "Navigation" and under "Openmoko Products") |
| 22:54.29 | doc|work | biovore: how long ago? |
| 22:54.37 | biovore | 3 days |
| 22:54.39 | Infinyte | Ah okay, so just stick with the Stock firmware then? |
| 22:54.40 | Chocky | gmaxwell: cos it's still a big improvement |
| 22:54.42 | doc|work | urgh |
| 22:54.45 | Chocky | no, the stock sucks |
| 22:55.01 | doc|work | well, the build I installed yesterday sucked too |
| 22:55.07 | Chocky | heh |
| 22:55.09 | doc|work | must try one of the others |
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| 22:55.18 | gmaxwell | Chocky, stock has been my primary phone for two days now. ;) Will I possibly regret upgrading? ;) |
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| 22:55.20 | Chocky | latest GTK is teh goodness |
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| 22:55.30 | doc|work | Chocky: how'd you get that? |
| 22:55.32 | Chocky | gmaxwell: I promise nothing. it's after all, a dev build. |
| 22:55.46 | doc|work | Chocky: that the one linked to from the wiki? |
| 22:55.48 | Chocky | doc|home: followed my nose. daily build as linked from firmware |
| 22:55.50 | Chocky | aye |
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| 22:56.05 | linuxxr | freerunner has landed |
| 22:56.09 | doc|work | yeah, that was broken for me. Clicking on the text message notification didn't work |
| 22:56.12 | Chocky | aw |
| 22:56.13 | doc|work | linuxxr: \o/ |
| 22:56.13 | Chocky | ok |
| 22:56.20 | Infinyte | So... This? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080717/ |
| 22:56.23 | Chocky | well, it's still much better than default, IMO |
| 22:56.27 | linuxxr | how long to charge/ |
| 22:56.38 | doc|work | linuxxr: an hour using the wall wart charger |
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| 22:56.41 | doc|work | or so |
| 22:56.41 | Chocky | inif: yes, but there's a couple of things there. |
| 22:56.48 | Chocky | qtoipia vs GTK. |
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| 22:57.13 | doc|work | wait, that's not what I installed |
| 22:57.20 | doc|work | hmmm |
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| 22:57.50 | Infinyte | Right, I need: Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080717-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz |
| 22:57.50 | Infinyte | And: openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.tar.gz |
| 22:57.50 | Infinyte | If I'm reading this all correctly. |
| 22:57.54 | gmaxwell | meh, I hate to screw with it now that it's basically working. ... if I get it stuck in a sucky state again I'll end up switching phones and forget about it for months again. |
| 22:58.02 | Railer | I got my phone baby! |
| 22:58.04 | Chocky | it's your call. |
| 22:58.09 | Chocky | you can always go back of course |
| 22:58.27 | gmaxwell | Where is the code that shipped with it posted? |
| 22:58.34 | Chocky | linked from the wiki also |
| 22:59.03 | doc|work | I wonder if I reinstalled that :/ |
| 22:59.08 | gmaxwell | And, is there a build of the current code for GTA01? |
| 22:59.13 | Chocky | I don't want to force anyone to use any particular stuff, just saying the latest GTK might give best experience |
| 22:59.18 | Chocky | I believe so |
| 22:59.39 | Chocky | should be obviously labelled |
| 22:59.51 | gmaxwell | Chocky, I always regretted upgrading my zaurus.. so it's just those memories causing me doubts. |
| 22:59.55 | Chocky | hm |
| 22:59.56 | Infinyte | As far as Stability goes, which is the best? GTK, FSO, ASU, or Qtopia? |
| 23:00.05 | fish_ | how do i enter my pin with ASU? i only get a qwerty keyboard instead a numpad... |
| 23:00.12 | Chocky | FSO, cos it doesn't do much ;-) |
| 23:00.17 | Outlander | haha |
| 23:00.27 | doc|work | does fso have a web browser? |
| 23:00.31 | Chocky | no |
| 23:00.39 | Infinyte | Err, nevermind FSO then. Keke |
| 23:00.44 | Chocky | FSO is very basic |
| 23:00.54 | Chocky | maybe the new builds are better though. not sure |
| 23:02.35 | kd8ikt | OMGOMGOMGOMG |
| 23:02.40 | kd8ikt | I HAVEAAAAAA AAAA FREERUNNER |
| 23:02.40 | trix | is there an easy way of changing to 12-hour format on the clock in 2007.2? |
| 23:02.41 | Chocky | pwnies! |
| 23:02.55 | almien | congratulations kd8ikt |
| 23:03.05 | gmaxwell | kd8ikt, welcome to the club |
| 23:03.06 | kd8ikt | all the negative things i ever said about the freerunner i take it all back |
| 23:03.07 | doc|work | :) |
| 23:03.15 | doc|work | kd8ikt: give it time ;) |
| 23:03.18 | Chocky | kd8ikt: I'd hold off on that sentiment for a few months |
| 23:03.21 | kd8ikt | its perfect even though it has a few hardware blemishes |
| 23:03.21 | almien | got a GPS signal for first time today! (after removing the SD card...) |
| 23:03.24 | cjb | kd8ikt: wait until you find that your SIM doesn't work :) |
| 23:03.31 | gmaxwell | ... I need to change the ringer on the FR .. I like it, but I don't think I'll ever recognize it as mine. .. I've missed calls three times on it. |
| 23:03.36 | cjb | is off to the AT&T store. again. sigh. |
| 23:03.40 | kd8ikt | nah my sim works like a charm |
| 23:04.02 | doc|work | is that an at&t problem or a freerunner problem |
| 23:04.05 | kd8ikt | sometimes from resume/deep sleep it cant read the sim contacts but a few tweaks and they are back |
| 23:04.06 | almien | is ringtone in /usr/share somewhere? is there some guide to where all the customisable bits of OM are? |
| 23:04.09 | doc|work | and why not just bring it with you? :) |
| 23:04.23 | doc|work | mine just doesn't come back at all from sleep |
| 23:04.33 | kd8ikt | hm |
| 23:04.34 | doc|work | even when sim isn't in |
| 23:04.47 | kd8ikt | and sometimes sounds is muted |
| 23:04.49 | gmaxwell | a couple of times the lock screen has been unresponsive for me.. kinda weird. |
| 23:04.55 | gmaxwell | lock screen is spiffy looking |
| 23:05.00 | kd8ikt | but hey its beta at best |
| 23:05.08 | Chocky | lock timeout is way too short |
| 23:05.11 | kd8ikt | but still sleek/sexy |
| 23:05.26 | kd8ikt | yeah wtf is up with no options/settings? |
| 23:05.35 | kd8ikt | lets get to it |
| 23:05.39 | gmaxwell | eek. my phone is dead. wtf |
| 23:05.43 | Chocky | yessir |
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| 23:05.56 | Chocky | gmaxwell: aw. remove battery. |
| 23:06.27 | gmaxwell | gah ! |
| 23:06.36 | Chocky | suggests that suspend isn't real good in default image ;-) |
| 23:06.41 | Infinyte | Uhoh. >_> What size SD cards can the FreeRunner accept? |
| 23:06.48 | Chocky | microSD |
| 23:06.55 | Chocky | or you mean storage? |
| 23:06.57 | kelvie_work | doc|work: I'm assuming Rogers works fine ? :p |
| 23:06.58 | gmaxwell | Chocky, .. I don't have suspend enabled. |
| 23:07.02 | Infinyte | Storage |
| 23:07.04 | gmaxwell | Infinyte, I have an 8gb microsd in mine |
| 23:07.12 | Chocky | there's a thread on mailing list about 8GB ones |
| 23:07.18 | Infinyte | Hmm. |
| 23:07.18 | Chocky | again, look on the wiki |
| 23:07.51 | gmaxwell | I guess the battery must have drained down.. meh. odd |
| 23:08.00 | Chocky | yes |
| 23:08.07 | Infinyte | Well that's odd. I got a 2Gig microSD (Or so I thought) and it seems to be slightly to big. O_o |
| 23:08.08 | Chocky | there's a uboot update recently which helps with that |
| 23:08.40 | gmaxwell | Infinyte, you mean it won't physically fit? are you putting it in upside down? |
| 23:08.42 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r378bc487234a 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): odeviced: add first sketch of audio object complying to org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio |
| 23:08.54 | Infinyte | Yeah physically. |
| 23:09.10 | gmaxwell | Infinyte, make sure you're following the little diagram. |
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| 23:12.00 | Infinyte | Hrm, I wonder if I accidentally got a miniSD card.. |
| 23:12.14 | SpeedEvil | Is it 15*10*1mm |
| 23:12.24 | SpeedEvil | If so, it's microSD |
| 23:12.32 | SpeedEvil | Also, it'll have MicroSD written on it |
| 23:12.43 | gmaxwell | microsd is pretty close to minisd in size. |
| 23:13.16 | chillywilly | hola |
| 23:13.39 | chillywilly | qtopia ran all day without killing the battery ;P |
| 23:13.43 | Infinyte | Hmm, it says M2 on it. |
| 23:14.14 | mjr | ooo |
| 23:14.14 | doc|work | kelvie_work: worked for me I think, didn't really play with it |
| 23:14.22 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital |
| 23:14.26 | mjr | you might've been screwed with a sony memory stick micro |
| 23:14.34 | SpeedEvil | miniSD is 21*20mm |
| 23:14.43 | SpeedEvil | About double the area |
| 23:14.52 | SpeedEvil | microSD is credit card aspect ratio |
| 23:14.57 | SpeedEvil | miniSD is square |
| 23:15.15 | gmaxwell | my microsd card came with a bunch of adapters. Matroska memory. |
| 23:15.18 | Infinyte | Ah, well mine isn't a mini then. |
| 23:15.32 | mjr | infinyte, one of this kind of things? http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Memory-Stick-Retail-Package/dp/B000JQV8LA |
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| 23:15.35 | Infinyte | But it's not shaped the same as the microSD that came with the Freerunner |
| 23:15.43 | SpeedEvil | Infinyte: odd |
| 23:15.46 | gmaxwell | Infinyte, are you putting it into the sim slot? |
| 23:15.48 | gmaxwell | oh.. hm |
| 23:15.49 | Infinyte | Yes exactly. |
| 23:15.56 | Infinyte | It looks like the one in that link |
| 23:16.02 | peepsalot | ruh roh |
| 23:16.13 | mjr | Yes well. That's Sony's very own incompatible with everyone else memory card |
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| 23:16.22 | Infinyte | Bloody 'ell. >_> |
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| 23:17.02 | Infinyte | Oh well. |
| 23:17.07 | Infinyte | I'll trade it in tomorrow. |
| 23:17.15 | mjr | good if you can |
| 23:17.51 | Chocky_ | it's like the matrix, when my colleage changes the network, I reconnect |
| 23:18.10 | MadTBone | who has WiFi working? with what image? WEP, WPA, open? any special considerations not found at http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN ?? |
| 23:18.15 | Chox | lucky I have my trusty Neo! |
| 23:18.28 | peepsalot | what's the best image to use currently? |
| 23:18.33 | Chox | WEP/WAP don't work with default image |
| 23:18.38 | chillywilly | qtopia ;) |
| 23:18.39 | peepsalot | as an everyday phone? |
| 23:18.40 | Chox | peepsalot: daily GTK, probably |
| 23:18.52 | chillywilly | if you want to be able to use the phone that is ;P |
| 23:19.00 | Chox | IME, IMHO, IANAL, etc, etc |
| 23:19.17 | doc|work | stfu |
| 23:19.22 | Chox | so rude! |
| 23:19.23 | gmaxwell | chillywilly I've been happily using the phone with the default image. YMMV |
| 23:19.31 | doc|work | sorry, thought this was acronym hour |
| 23:19.34 | doc|work | :) |
| 23:19.46 | Chox | KTBye |
| 23:19.49 | doc|work | :) |
| 23:20.10 | chillywilly | btw, the wiki is wrong as there is a GUI to configure wifi w/ qtopia |
| 23:20.16 | Chox | true. |
| 23:20.30 | Chox | I couldn't make it work though. YMMV |
| 23:20.48 | gmaxwell | chillywilly, tempt me no more with your QTOPIA dreams! |
| 23:20.50 | chillywilly | I guess I haven't really tried it either because my router is wonky |
| 23:20.59 | chillywilly | gmaxwell: haha! |
| 23:21.36 | chillywilly | gmaxwell: the apps are pretty polished...I just don't know if I can install whatever I want and have it show up in the qtopia menu |
| 23:21.39 | Chox | wiki for me so far is though command via USB+ssh first |
| 23:21.48 | Chox | er, wifi |
| 23:22.04 | gmaxwell | chillywilly, I tried qtopia on my GTA01 when it first came out.. it wasn't usable but it was slick looking. |
| 23:22.23 | danw | is there any bluetooth audio support on the freerunner yet worth talking about? |
| 23:23.04 | Infinyte | Saweet. |
| 23:23.10 | Infinyte | Mum's gonna pick one up. >_> |
| 23:23.25 | peepsalot | Chox, where is daily gtk located? |
| 23:24.18 | kelvie_work | is it just me, or does the bitbake system look strangely like gentoo's portage? |
| 23:24.37 | kelvie_work | or whatever portage was based off of (don't know how bsd ports work) |
| 23:24.54 | Infinyte | So, GTK, qtopia or ASU? :D |
| 23:25.48 | gmaxwell | Infinyte, why choose? port qemu to FR .. then.... |
| 23:26.05 | Infinyte | Qemu? >_> *Noobie* |
| 23:26.12 | doc|work | this is gmaxwell using qemu waiting for it to respond ^ |
| 23:26.34 | doc|work | "c'mon damn you! hurry up, you're only running 3 images concurrently!" |
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| 23:27.05 | kd8ikt | hm |
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| 23:27.16 | gmaxwell | doc|work, :) |
| 23:27.32 | kd8ikt | is dropbear restricted to only that one ip address?192.168.0.202 |
| 23:28.16 | kd8ikt | usb net |
| 23:28.26 | gmaxwell | kd8ikt, why? get 0wned over wifi already? |
| 23:28.39 | kd8ikt | lolz know i'm locked out unless through usb |
| 23:28.45 | kd8ikt | no* |
| 23:28.51 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: the usb0 interface is set to 192.168.0.202 by default |
| 23:29.02 | kd8ikt | but what about dropbear |
| 23:29.13 | Railer | doc|work you get your phones yet? |
| 23:29.17 | kd8ikt | i cant connect to ssh via wifi |
| 23:29.23 | MadTBone | you can change that through /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:29.31 | chillywilly | gmaxwell: I was able to use my freerunner to do all kinds of things...SMS, MMS, make/receive calls, etc. |
| 23:29.36 | chillywilly | with qtopia |
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| 23:29.47 | chillywilly | and the keyboard is sweet |
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| 23:30.01 | gmaxwell | chillywilly, okay okay.. what image file? |
| 23:30.13 | chillywilly | um |
| 23:30.23 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: ahh...you mean is sshd bound to that address only? |
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| 23:30.47 | chillywilly | gmaxwell: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 |
| 23:30.51 | chillywilly | bah |
| 23:30.53 | chillywilly | wrong one |
| 23:31.08 | chillywilly | gmaxwell: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 |
| 23:31.19 | chillywilly | that's the same flippin url... |
| 23:31.22 | chillywilly | goes mad |
| 23:31.31 | MadTBone | kd8ikt: no, I don't think it is. |
| 23:31.31 | gmaxwell | chillywilly, does it include a terminal app now? |
| 23:31.39 | chillywilly | gmaxwell: yes |
| 23:32.01 | Martix | b0ef: hi :-) |
| 23:33.07 | kd8ikt | ok my bad had a bad ip |
| 23:33.17 | gmaxwell | meh.. 42mbytes over evdo... |
| 23:36.45 | trix | what graphical media players are working in 2007.2? just mplayer? |
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| 23:39.30 | Infinyte | Hrm. >_> Which build has working Wifi and a Browser? x) |
| 23:41.56 | gmaxwell | Infinyte, you can easily add a browser to the default build |
| 23:42.16 | gmaxwell | minimimimomomim or whatever its called seems to work well, though I can't get the keyboard to go away. |
| 23:42.33 | doc|work | webkit > gecko/minimo |
| 23:42.42 | Infinyte | Ah. :o |
| 23:42.42 | Centaur5 | Is there supposed to be a way that the Freerunner should get the time from the network yet? |
| 23:42.51 | gmaxwell | Centaur5, you can install ntp |
| 23:42.56 | gmaxwell | or do you mean gsm network? |
| 23:43.00 | gmaxwell | or GPS network? ;) |
| 23:43.10 | Centaur5 | gmaxwell: I was referring to gsm network. |
| 23:43.13 | kd8ikt | yay gps works |
| 23:43.17 | Centaur5 | gmaxwell: I'm satisfied with ntp. |
| 23:43.23 | Infinyte | Which build type (gtk/qtopia) is more stable? |
| 23:43.46 | kd8ikt | 39 N x 84w |
| 23:43.52 | kd8ikt | is my location' |
| 23:44.01 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 23:44.10 | kd8ikt | drop teh bomb on meh |
| 23:44.22 | chillywilly | if I run 'opkg -test BLAH' that will not really perform the BLAH action right? |
| 23:44.32 | kd8ikt | bear in mind i have yet to install the sd card |
| 23:45.07 | Centaur5 | gmaxwell: How could one manually edit the time on that today screen clock? |
| 23:45.27 | chillywilly | people are going to get sick of me talking about qtopia but it rocks ;P |
| 23:45.30 | Infinyte | Oh, better question. Which Build has a QWERTY keyboard? |
| 23:45.38 | gmaxwell | Centaur5, from the shell you can use the date command. |
| 23:45.53 | Centaur5 | gmaxwell: alright, thank you |
| 23:45.56 | gmaxwell | Infinyte, a simple command on the default gives it a qwerty keyboard (see the getting started) |
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| 23:46.21 | gmaxwell | Infinyte, however the qwerty you can use with the default is not usable with your fingers. :) |
| 23:46.27 | gmaxwell | (needs the stylus) |
| 23:46.56 | kd8ikt | can anyone tell me why bluetooth wont disable |
| 23:47.10 | kd8ikt | keeps poping back on automagicly |
| 23:47.47 | Infinyte | Oh. >_> |
| 23:48.01 | Infinyte | Dangit. Can't decide what build to flash it with. :< |
| 23:48.48 | gmaxwell | Infinyte, well... as I said earlier.. I found default basically functional. ... I'm about to flash to today's qtopia image for grins and giggles.. sine chillywilly seems to love it so much |
| 23:48.49 | gmaxwell | :) |
| 23:49.04 | lpotter | chillywilly: I agree |
| 23:49.20 | Infinyte | I would ASSUME that qtopia is quicker, because it takes less resources right? |
| 23:49.37 | gmaxwell | ASS-U-ME |
| 23:49.45 | Infinyte | Exactly. >_> |
| 23:49.49 | lpotter | its faster cause it uses Qt |
| 23:49.52 | lpotter | :) |
| 23:49.58 | Infinyte | Aye. |
| 23:50.05 | Infinyte | So, what are the pros and cons then? |
| 23:50.19 | thomasg | does OE use EABI support by default - means do the current deployed images use EABI? |
| 23:50.33 | lpotter | thomasg: yes |
| 23:50.34 | gmaxwell | Infinyte, a pure qtopia environment is something of a walled garden.. no X11.. only QT apps. |
| 23:50.41 | thomasg | thx :( |
| 23:50.52 | Infinyte | Ahh. |
| 23:51.10 | gmaxwell | (obviously shell stuff is universal) |
| 23:51.13 | lpotter | gmaxwell: but then how many x11 apps are actuaaly usable on the neo? |
| 23:51.28 | Infinyte | But the GTK image on the other hand can use Qtopia applications? |
| 23:51.37 | gmaxwell | lpotter, I can remote display apps from my PC! ;) |
| 23:52.00 | lpotter | qtopia has vnc but i havent put up a feed yet |
| 23:52.42 | gmaxwell | Infinyte, the ASU image unifies them. |
| 23:52.43 | chillywilly | is it safe to run a opkg upgrade on a qtopia install? |
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| 23:53.20 | lpotter | should be. try it and let me know how it goes. i have not tried that yet |
| 23:53.25 | chillywilly | lpotter: are you the qtopia dev I see posts from - Lorn Potter? |
| 23:53.30 | mmontour | thomasg: do you need to run OABI apps? There are ways to do so, e.g. the gllin GPS driver on GTA01 |
| 23:53.31 | lpotter | yep |
| 23:53.56 | thomasg | mmontour, no, I just hoped that there was some float improvements possible, but now I have to stagnate :( |
| 23:54.17 | chillywilly | lpotter: is there some place you can report bugs as if I restart my device qtopia forget my voicemail setting that I entered |
| 23:54.26 | Infinyte | Erm.. I've had my Freerunner plugged in for a few hours. But I want to change it from the wall plug to my PC plug so I can start working on it. Is that safe? Or should I let it fully charge before moving it? |
| 23:54.31 | chillywilly | voicemail number |
| 23:54.33 | mmontour | what sort of improvements? |
| 23:54.43 | SpeedEvil | Infinyte: no real problem swapping it |
| 23:54.50 | thomasg | performance improvements |
| 23:55.00 | SpeedEvil | Infinyte: it may be charged noe |
| 23:55.12 | Infinyte | Ahkay |
| 23:55.20 | lpotter | chillywilly: right here. openmoko mailing list. qtopia interest mailing list or email me :) |
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| 23:56.58 | peepsalot | what's the difference of the nor and nand boot menus? |
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| 23:58.26 | Infinyte | What's the partition name for your Freerunner when you're going to flash it? |
| 23:58.56 | trix | Infinyte: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 23:58.56 | gmaxwell | Infinyte, FOLLOW THE GETTING STARTED GUIDE! :) |
| 23:59.11 | gmaxwell | what trix said. |
| 23:59.21 | trix | what gmaxwell said |
| 23:59.22 | trix | ;) |
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