| 00:00.17 | ieatlint | i lack the knowledge to be able to do all too much |
| 00:00.49 | ieatlint | one of the problems is that what works on one image may not on another, and the active development means information quickly can become outdated |
| 00:02.11 | chillywilly | is booting up the stock image |
| 00:02.30 | chillywilly | cool |
| 00:02.59 | Dave | high-fives chillywilly |
| 00:03.07 | Dave | Get things working finally? :) |
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| 00:05.10 | ieatlint | my apartment is depressingly devoid of food |
| 00:05.34 | sontek | asu image is on its way to my openmoko |
| 00:05.37 | sontek | then its food time |
| 00:05.44 | johngay | food's over rated. It atracts ants and spoils. |
| 00:05.47 | kdubois | anyone using the freerunner with arch? why is usb0 not showing up? |
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| 00:06.30 | ieatlint | johngay, and that is why i am underweight |
| 00:07.09 | johngay | Try ice. That will stop those nagging food cravings (-= |
| 00:07.38 | ieatlint | so do water and alcohol |
| 00:07.45 | ieatlint | ordering pizza also helps |
| 00:08.03 | johngay | But crystal meth lasts for days. |
| 00:08.36 | ieatlint | man, if i got caught with crystal meth here... |
| 00:08.39 | ieatlint | i'd be in prison |
| 00:09.08 | johngay | Then don't get caught. Duh! |
| 00:09.51 | Gnutoo | hello, i need help with gadget usb for qemu(gta01 emulated)...i followed the howto at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu#Setting_up_USB_connection and usb0 doesn't show up...and under qemu i have no error messages... |
| 00:10.31 | ieatlint | yeah, the police here have too much time on their hands... not worth the risk :P |
| 00:10.40 | ieatlint | plus the whole addiction, health consequences, etc |
| 00:11.14 | ieatlint | alright, about to order a pizza on my freerunner... this is truly exciting |
| 00:11.35 | ieatlint | i should create a wiki page to commemorate this moment |
| 00:11.47 | Gnutoo | kdubois, under qemu i have the same problem...what is arch? arch-linux? |
| 00:12.10 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: you need a pizza-proof case, before ordering a pizza onto your freerunner. |
| 00:12.16 | kdubois | Gnutoo: arch linux. see if root can see it |
| 00:12.42 | Gnutoo | kdubois, i have run qemu as root and i ran ifconfig as root |
| 00:12.50 | sontek | Whats the plan for asu/fso? Get ASU fully functional and then work on FSO? |
| 00:12.57 | sontek | or are both being developed at the same time? |
| 00:13.05 | SpeedEvil | ASU components get merged into FSO |
| 00:13.09 | SpeedEvil | FSO is the future. |
| 00:13.17 | SpeedEvil | As do GTK components |
| 00:13.20 | sontek | is there a timeline at all? |
| 00:13.22 | kdubois | Gnutoo: i'm working with a phone here, qemu setup comes later |
| 00:13.38 | ieatlint | SpeedEvil, don't worry, every time i bark orders at pizza, it never seems to comply... it is unlikely the pizza will actually go onto the phone, even if ordered to |
| 00:13.39 | sontek | SpeedEvil: is FSO planned within a year? or is it a longer term goal? |
| 00:13.45 | ieatlint | maybe if i shout in german |
| 00:14.10 | SpeedEvil | Sonicadvance: Now ---- DNF on FSO --- User ready phone. |
| 00:14.28 | SpeedEvil | sonte: |
| 00:14.31 | chillywilly | DNF? |
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| 00:14.39 | SpeedEvil | Duke Nukem Forever. |
| 00:14.46 | chillywilly | hah |
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| 00:15.04 | ieatlint | lol |
| 00:15.21 | chillywilly | my mission is to get citrix to run on this phone so I can use it to access crap at work remotely ;) |
| 00:15.41 | zathras_laptop | hmm, qemu is now running and responding to presses...nice :-) |
| 00:15.59 | TAsn | chillywilly, you should make that ;) |
| 00:16.13 | TAsn | that is a great idea and a great use :) |
| 00:16.37 | sontek | I'm booted into ASU :) |
| 00:16.49 | chillywilly | yea well there's too many software stacks and it'd be nice if I could run something where I could make table calls and sms messages |
| 00:16.57 | sontek | so is there anything for syncing contacts on this yet? |
| 00:16.57 | chillywilly | stable* |
| 00:17.04 | sontek | or should I start saving everyone on my sim? |
| 00:17.11 | ieatlint | chillywilly, is that all you want to do? |
| 00:17.19 | Dave | It certainly couldn't hurt :) |
| 00:17.22 | chillywilly | for now at least :) |
| 00:17.24 | ieatlint | chillywilly, because the qtopia image will do that for you quite well |
| 00:17.29 | chillywilly | cool |
| 00:17.34 | chillywilly | I'll have to try that out then |
| 00:17.39 | wastrel | what do you need on the desktop to sync? |
| 00:17.40 | chillywilly | or is ASU a better choice? |
| 00:17.45 | sontek | hmm, ASU is quite slow, is it because it has debug symbols or something? |
| 00:17.46 | ieatlint | asu is unstable |
| 00:17.51 | Dave | I am still not convinced the qtopia image does anything else worthwhile... yet :| |
| 00:17.53 | sontek | or was glibc a bad choice |
| 00:17.59 | ieatlint | i had people telling me they tried to call me and it just went to voicemail |
| 00:18.19 | ieatlint | Dave, come now, it has a calculator |
| 00:18.29 | Dave | hahaha |
| 00:18.41 | Dave | rolls his eyes at smirks |
| 00:18.45 | Dave | s/at/and/ |
| 00:18.51 | chillywilly | I think I might've got some nagios pages from work but I can't look at them |
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| 00:20.32 | chillywilly | yea, I have some nagios pages from work but I can't figure out if I can view them ;P |
| 00:20.45 | Dave | heh |
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| 00:21.23 | sontek | wheres the terminal in ASU? |
| 00:21.42 | chillywilly | I just see a synopsis in a list of messages but not the full message body... |
| 00:21.47 | Gnutoo | ah i saw an error in the terminal: gadget_attach: warning: failed to open gadgetfs: -16 |
| 00:21.52 | ieatlint | it doesn't come with one pre-installed, sontek |
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| 00:24.08 | sontek | is there a way to connect to wpa wireless with iwconfig |
| 00:24.13 | sontek | without playing with wpa_supplicant? |
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| 00:24.54 | penguinator | Just got my freerunner. awesomeness |
| 00:25.09 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:25.16 | ieatlint | sontek, only if you don't want encryption |
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| 00:28.10 | penguinator | got a gps fix in about 600s without an sd card :D i've been watching the thread on the list, glad that got sorted out |
| 00:28.34 | kdubois | how long does opkg update take the first time? |
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| 00:28.58 | balrog-k1n | a mysterious hardware bug is always a nice thing |
| 00:29.00 | ieatlint | kdubois, the same it takes every time you run it, under a minute |
| 00:29.14 | balrog-k1n | lots of bugs get found and fixed/improved in many areas |
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| 00:29.22 | ieatlint | it just downloads gzip'ed lists of packages |
| 00:29.24 | sontek | ieatlint: so you've had success with wlan with the asu ? |
| 00:29.28 | balrog-k1n | in software, before it turns out it was something silly |
| 00:29.30 | ieatlint | sontek, yes |
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| 00:29.56 | sontek | ieatlint: http://rafb.net/p/DURyY112.html |
| 00:29.59 | macdonalder | doc|home: it's in seattle now ;) |
| 00:30.04 | sontek | ieatlint: I get those errors and then it doesn't associate |
| 00:30.11 | macdonalder | doc|home: here tomorrow :D |
| 00:30.16 | ieatlint | sontek, ignore those errors |
| 00:30.16 | chillywilly | I was able to call and converse with my wife using the stock image |
| 00:30.26 | ieatlint | i get those same errors, and it never made a difference |
| 00:30.30 | sontek | ieatlint: ok |
| 00:30.38 | sontek | ieatlint: it doesn't associate and I can't get dhcp still |
| 00:30.39 | kdubois | ieatlint: its taking more than a minute to do... i can ping that url it says its downloading from though |
| 00:31.02 | ieatlint | sontek, try specifying the essid again |
| 00:31.38 | dcordes | how can I disable the psplash in the (old) moko rootfs? |
| 00:31.41 | ieatlint | kdubois, i dunno... |
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| 00:32.44 | kdubois | ill figured it out. i still havent gotten over the fact that i'm sshed. into. a. phone. :D |
| 00:32.48 | ieatlint | just timed it, opkg update took 22.26s |
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| 00:33.04 | sontek | i'm on wifi =) |
| 00:33.06 | exco | hello |
| 00:33.13 | sontek | dances |
| 00:33.22 | ieatlint | the essid thing work then? |
| 00:33.44 | exco | how can I start openmoko-today from ssh? |
| 00:33.46 | sontek | ieatlint: yeah, had to do it again, but also had to remove a line in my wpa_supplicant |
| 00:34.08 | sontek | ieatlint: is there a way to just be able to type on the asu keyboard when sending a text message? |
| 00:34.11 | ieatlint | exco, i assume that's some sort of gui app? |
| 00:34.15 | sontek | ieatlint: it seems to want me to select each word I type |
| 00:34.23 | ieatlint | exco, "export DISPLAY=:0.0" and then run the exec |
| 00:34.29 | Marcel_M | dcordes: rm /etc/rc?.d/???psplash |
| 00:34.51 | sontek | and I can't figure out how to backspace |
| 00:34.53 | dcordes | thanks |
| 00:34.58 | Marcel_M | np |
| 00:35.01 | balrog-k1n | /.'ed! |
| 00:35.12 | ieatlint | sontek, i think you can get a full size qwerty keyboard on it... i dunno, i haven't liked the asu |
| 00:35.14 | kdubois | ieatlint: it said, "signature check failed" |
| 00:35.28 | ieatlint | been using qtopia for real use, and flashing 2007.2 for screwing with it |
| 00:35.43 | ieatlint | kdubois, yeah, that scared me too.. but apparently just ignore that, it still updates |
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| 00:36.02 | sontek | ieatlint: yeah, I might go back to 2007.2, I had a full keyboard on it |
| 00:36.10 | sontek | ieatlint: but wireless works on ASU :) |
| 00:36.17 | sontek | but thats probably just the kernel anyways |
| 00:36.25 | ieatlint | wireless works for me on the current 2007.2 |
| 00:36.47 | chillywilly | bah... |
| 00:37.03 | sontek | ieatlint: have you tried dual booting? |
| 00:37.05 | chillywilly | the SMS software on the stock image is hokey ;P |
| 00:37.09 | sontek | one on sd and one on hdd? |
| 00:37.11 | ieatlint | wireless also works for me on qtopia |
| 00:37.12 | sontek | is that possible? |
| 00:37.32 | sontek | yeah, I can't run qtopia because I need GTK for the apps I want to port over |
| 00:37.35 | ieatlint | sontek, i believe it is, but having the sd card in now kills the gps... at the moment, i'm picking the gps |
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| 00:38.25 | chillywilly | are you guys using the stock qtopia image? |
| 00:38.49 | ieatlint | when i need a phone, i use qtopia, when i want a toy, i use 2007.2 :) |
| 00:38.59 | emacsen | chillywilly, I am |
| 00:39.01 | retracile | *grumble* UPS: "deliver between 8am and 7pm" Bah. |
| 00:39.08 | sontek | ieatlint: your phone didn't work in 2007.2? mine did |
| 00:39.10 | Dave | hah |
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| 00:39.14 | Sargun_screen | Hello |
| 00:39.18 | Dave | or... whenever they want |
| 00:39.21 | Dave | which is more realistic :) |
| 00:39.21 | ieatlint | sontek, no, it works |
| 00:39.28 | retracile | Dave: heh. :/ |
| 00:39.41 | sontek | 2007.2's interface for SMS is much better than ASU's |
| 00:39.43 | ieatlint | but qtopia feels like a real product, whereas 2007.2 feels like... a hacked interface |
| 00:39.51 | sontek | there is no way to continuously type, you have to select each word |
| 00:39.56 | sontek | and there isn't a way to back space |
| 00:40.18 | ieatlint | sontek, draw a line across the keyboard horizontally |
| 00:40.22 | ieatlint | to the left to backspace |
| 00:40.28 | ieatlint | to the right to make a space |
| 00:41.13 | ieatlint | i wonder why no one has created wiki pages for each of the images |
| 00:41.57 | ieatlint | maybe after my pizza arrives i'll make some sort of attempt at that |
| 00:42.08 | emacsen | ieatlint, they change very often |
| 00:42.11 | sontek | ieatlint: thanks, that worked, thats a weird setup :p |
| 00:42.17 | Dave | Which will arrive first!? Your pizza or your freerunner! |
| 00:42.19 | emacsen | ieatlint, a bug will appear and be gone very quickly |
| 00:42.20 | sontek | ieatlint: I plan on documenting the parts I had trouble with |
| 00:42.31 | ieatlint | emacsen, there are some things that don't change |
| 00:42.34 | retracile | bets on the pizza |
| 00:42.39 | ieatlint | like explaining qtopia doesn't have gtk |
| 00:42.52 | ieatlint | sure, you can find out on your own, but it's convenient to give such info |
| 00:42.54 | Dave | :p |
| 00:42.58 | emacsen | ieatlint, sure |
| 00:43.08 | Dave | before the disappointment and regret sets in? :) |
| 00:43.14 | ieatlint | plus just general structure information |
| 00:43.32 | retracile | Dave: regret? |
| 00:43.44 | ieatlint | i've no regrets yet :P |
| 00:43.48 | Dave | perhaps they would not have flashed that particular image, in hindsight :P |
| 00:43.51 | Dave | YET |
| 00:43.53 | Dave | haahahahahaha |
| 00:43.56 | Dave | JUST YOU WAIT! >:) |
| 00:44.06 | ieatlint | i like your cynicism :) |
| 00:44.18 | Dave | Excellent! |
| 00:44.41 | sontek | ieatlint: do you know if there is a way to do characters? exclamation/question marks? |
| 00:44.41 | retracile | Dave: I expect no regrets, though I fear disappointments. There is a difference. ;) |
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| 00:45.28 | Dave | offers ieatlint a complimentary copy of his newsletter. |
| 00:45.43 | Dave | retracile, but of course :) |
| 00:45.48 | ieatlint | sontek, uhm, i dunno... i don't remember the keyboard from the asu well |
| 00:46.11 | macdonalder | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080715-googles-android-platform-not-so-open-after-all.html |
| 00:46.14 | macdonalder | zing |
| 00:46.16 | chillywilly | which image should I give a try if I want some better apps then what's on 1007.2? |
| 00:46.20 | chillywilly | er, 2007.2 |
| 00:46.22 | Dave | heh, yeah :p |
| 00:46.26 | chillywilly | qtopia? |
| 00:46.28 | SpeedEvil | ponders 1007.2 |
| 00:46.35 | ieatlint | sontek, try drawing vertical lines.. |
| 00:46.44 | retracile | What's that one in, Greek? |
| 00:47.16 | ieatlint | chillywilly, no use current 2007.2 or asu |
| 00:47.23 | ieatlint | then install apps from opkg |
| 00:47.32 | chillywilly | ok |
| 00:47.45 | chillywilly | there's a few things I haven't figured out how to do yet with the keyboard |
| 00:47.52 | chillywilly | unless it really is this crippled |
| 00:47.57 | ieatlint | ssh into the phone to do it |
| 00:48.02 | chillywilly | like capital letters ;P |
| 00:48.15 | ieatlint | you'll drive yourself mad typing commands into the console on the phone |
| 00:48.23 | chillywilly | ok, but I won't always have ssh access ;P |
| 00:48.44 | ieatlint | that's no excuse not to use it when you do have it |
| 00:48.50 | kelvie_work | hmm.. according to someone on OM, GPS not working with a SD card will count as a DOA criteria |
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| 00:48.55 | kelvie_work | so I can return it if I like |
| 00:49.00 | kelvie_work | s/on/at/ |
| 00:49.04 | kdubois | hopes gta03 has a slide out keyboard |
| 00:49.10 | chillywilly | well some sort of adaptive search thing would be nice ;P |
| 00:49.18 | Dave | heh |
| 00:49.20 | Dave | you wish :P |
| 00:49.25 | chillywilly | heheh |
| 00:49.33 | chillywilly | bash command completion perhaps ;P |
| 00:49.39 | Dave | it does |
| 00:50.00 | Sargun_screen | Has anyone bought an OpenMoko from a distributor? |
| 00:50.07 | Stroller | I have, Sargun_screen |
| 00:50.16 | Sargun_screen | Stroller: Which distributor? |
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| 00:50.48 | Stroller | chillywilly: if you're talking about the factory image then upper case is done using the ^ on the bottom-left key |
| 00:50.52 | ieatlint | my pizza should be here soon... you should all be excited for me |
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| 00:50.57 | Stroller | Sargun_screen: Truebox |
| 00:50.59 | kdubois | opkg update has honestly been going for 10 minutes. |
| 00:51.14 | ieatlint | kdubois, it could be a weird routing issue |
| 00:51.17 | chillywilly | Stroller: ok |
| 00:51.20 | ieatlint | type "route" |
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| 00:51.35 | ieatlint | if it lists two lines with the word "default", then your routes be screwed |
| 00:51.43 | kelvie_work | hmm.. I wonder when the next hardware rev is going to be then |
| 00:51.52 | Sargun_screen | About a year. |
| 00:52.01 | chillywilly | how about typing actual numbers? |
| 00:52.01 | kdubois | ieatlint: bingo. two default routes |
| 00:52.16 | kelvie_work | Sargun_screen: really? so it'll be a year at least before we see the GPS fix? |
| 00:52.16 | ieatlint | route del default gw 192.168.0.200 |
| 00:52.34 | ieatlint | pizza! |
| 00:52.38 | Sargun_screen | They might do minor reivsions |
| 00:52.47 | johngay | I think he's talking about the major rev. |
| 00:52.49 | kelvie_work | yeah I was wondering about that |
| 00:52.58 | exco | ieatlint: export DISPLAY=:0.0 && exec openmoko-today? |
| 00:53.00 | kelvie_work | because my package comes tomorrow (according to UPS) |
| 00:53.02 | kelvie_work | and I can still refuse it |
| 00:53.10 | |Marco| | has anyone here had any experience with calibrating the display in landscape mode ? |
| 00:53.11 | johngay | And I think a year is rather optimistic. |
| 00:53.20 | sontek | ieatlint: what all apps does qtopia have for it? |
| 00:53.27 | sontek | ieatlint: very good phone stack and nothing else? |
| 00:53.29 | |Marco| | I keep getting pointer offset to left |
| 00:53.29 | Dave | ieatlint: you're routing your pizza, locally? o_O |
| 00:53.44 | kdubois | ieatlint: even easier, ifdown usb0 |
| 00:53.50 | sontek | ieatlint: is there a reason the phone stack from qtopia can't run on ASU? |
| 00:54.11 | Dave | PPP? |
| 00:54.22 | Dave | Pizza to Programmer Protocol |
| 00:54.59 | Sargun_screen | First International Computer America |
| 00:55.03 | kdubois | Dave: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2324.txt?number=2324 |
| 00:55.16 | Sargun_screen | First International Computer America is local but I couldn't get in contact with them. |
| 00:55.28 | Sargun_screen | I don't know if they are even alive. |
| 00:56.51 | abraxa_ | |Marco|: From what I know it's an issue with XGlamo (i.e. the glamo-customized X) |
| 00:57.25 | ieatlint | pizza tastes better when made by people who don't speak english |
| 00:57.40 | johngay | Absolutely! |
| 00:58.03 | ieatlint | mmm, heartburn |
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| 00:59.10 | Psi | hm.. is there a page that lists all the widgets available to openmoko app developers and perhaps gives pics of what they all look like on the phone? |
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| 01:02.32 | abraxa_ | Psi: If you're speaking of GTK+, use whatever GTK+ offers. The rest resides in libmokoui2 - and that is mostly just defining standard icons |
| 01:02.55 | abraxa_ | http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ for reference |
| 01:03.45 | |Marco| | abraxa_: are there any workarounds that you know of ? |
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| 01:04.06 | abraxa_ | |Marco|: No workaround needed - a bugfix is |
| 01:04.24 | abraxa_ | And no, no one worked on it yet as far as I'm aware |
| 01:04.34 | Psi | thanks |
| 01:05.15 | Sargun_screen | Are you guys sure FICA has it? |
| 01:05.25 | abraxa_ | FICA? |
| 01:05.27 | Sargun_screen | er, FIC |
| 01:05.28 | Sargun_screen | http://www.fic.com.tw/product/mbp.htm |
| 01:05.35 | Sargun_screen | First International Computer America |
| 01:05.42 | Sargun_screen | http://www.fic.com.tw/product/mbp.htm |
| 01:05.46 | abraxa_ | Define "has" |
| 01:06.15 | Sargun_screen | does FIC(A) carry, and or sell the OpenMoko? |
| 01:06.33 | chillywilly | is ssh'd into his phone |
| 01:06.57 | kelvie_work | hmm. this make sme wonder if I should just sell my phone rather than refuse the package :p |
| 01:07.09 | sontek | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install gpe-icons |
| 01:07.10 | sontek | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 01:07.16 | Sargun_screen | kelvie_work: Where are you located? |
| 01:07.22 | kelvie_work | Sargun_screen: Vancouver, BC |
| 01:07.37 | Sargun_screen | Oh, a canadian. |
| 01:07.38 | kelvie_work | the tax is about 50 bucks so if I'll have to send it back to get fixed up for a hardware revision |
| 01:07.46 | kelvie_work | it'll be another $100 total |
| 01:08.08 | kelvie_work | GPS + SD cards not working together is a pretty big flaw |
| 01:08.19 | chillywilly | date on my phone seems wrong |
| 01:08.21 | chillywilly | ;P |
| 01:08.30 | chillywilly | runs opkg update |
| 01:09.30 | Gnutoo | hello, the power button seems not to work in qemu...i press space and nothing happens (but aux(enter) gives me the aux menu) that is in a 2007.2 like image...so what is the command that brings the power menu? |
| 01:09.53 | johngay | Why would you have to pay tax twice? You only bought it once. |
| 01:10.07 | chillywilly | is there a difference between opkg and ipkg? |
| 01:10.23 | Psi | not that im aware of |
| 01:10.23 | kelvie_work | johngay: customs doesn't work like that |
| 01:10.29 | kelvie_work | "value of the package + 13%" |
| 01:10.37 | kelvie_work | doesn't matter the reason |
| 01:10.42 | johngay | Yea, one's got an 'o' and the other has an 'i' |
| 01:10.46 | Psi | ^ |
| 01:11.00 | johngay | I'd fight that. They can only charge you tax on a purchase. |
| 01:11.07 | kelvie_work | plus shipping will never cost less than 50 bucks |
| 01:11.12 | kelvie_work | UPS charges a minimum of $45 brokerage |
| 01:11.20 | kelvie_work | unless you pay for the premium shipping |
| 01:11.25 | kelvie_work | which conveniently costs about $45 more |
| 01:11.51 | abraxa_ | Sargun_screen: Nope, FIC has nothing to do with Openmoko, Inc. aside from being a parent company |
| 01:11.51 | kelvie_work | johngay: it's pointless to fight that.. many have tried |
| 01:12.04 | Stroller | kelvie_work: here in the UK you can register an outgoing parcel as being returned for warranty repairs, Then when it comes back you don't pay tax on it |
| 01:12.12 | Gnutoo | anyone? |
| 01:12.29 | johngay | I'd think Openmoko should pay shipping on a faulty product. |
| 01:12.41 | kelvie_work | Stroller: hmm.. I have not heard of being able to do that, but it sounds like I should look into it |
| 01:12.58 | kelvie_work | I don't mind too much biting the shipping this round |
| 01:12.59 | Stroller | Well, they haven't decided yet what to do about the problem |
| 01:13.10 | johngay | I'd never pay tax twice on something. |
| 01:13.17 | kelvie_work | which is why I'll probably refuse it |
| 01:13.18 | abraxa_ | Gnutoo: I've seen several people report that behavior, with no response from balrog-kun so far, as far as I'm aware. You might want to check the trac |
| 01:13.52 | kelvie_work | they haven't even mentioned how they are going to handle the hardware fix yet |
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| 01:13.56 | Stroller | I think it's a little early jumping to conclusions. If they can shut the GPS down for 1/2 a second, grab data from the SDcard, shut the SDcard down again until it's needed, then it's a software fix |
| 01:13.59 | kelvie_work | whether or not sending it back to get fixed will even be an option |
| 01:14.06 | kelvie_work | that's hardly a fix :/ |
| 01:14.19 | abraxa_ | chillywilly: opkg is the successor to ipkg |
| 01:14.31 | johngay | After all, this isn't apple were talking about. |
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| 01:14.41 | kdubois | are all freerunner affected by the gps/sd problem? |
| 01:14.47 | Stroller | kelvie_work: then don't accept the delivery tomorrow |
| 01:14.54 | kelvie_work | Stroller: that's the plan :p |
| 01:14.55 | Stroller | kelvie_work: that's my advice |
| 01:15.16 | kelvie_work | I'd accept it if we didn't have such lame customs protocols |
| 01:15.18 | Stroller | Great. Now stop whining about it, kelvie_work |
| 01:15.27 | kelvie_work | that's the only issue really |
| 01:15.27 | Gnutoo | abraxa_, ok thanks a lot |
| 01:15.34 | johngay | If it's a problem with the SD clock affecting the GPS, I'd think all would be affected. |
| 01:15.41 | balrog-kun | abraxa_: it's some difference between how the key is handled between u-boot and linux.. i didn't think it was really important enough to put much effort into it so far |
| 01:15.46 | zbowling | my mac is pissing me off |
| 01:15.48 | balrog-kun | abraxa_: was just explaining in #qemu :p |
| 01:16.06 | Stroller | zbowling: mine, too |
| 01:16.11 | chillywilly | abraxa_: so I wonder when openwrt will switch to it then ;) |
| 01:16.16 | abraxa_ | balrog-kun: Oh. Thanks for the heads-up :) |
| 01:16.41 | kdubois | is the symptom failure in getting a fix? |
| 01:16.44 | dcordes | XorA|gone: we got SD working. |
| 01:16.57 | zbowling | i need a damn insert key!!! vi on terminal isn't handling backspace as ^H |
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| 01:19.42 | SpeedEvil | On GPS. |
| 01:20.05 | Sargun_screen | wtf: http://www.koolu.com/ |
| 01:21.04 | SpeedEvil | GPS is currently affected by a problem when the SD is accessed - it seems to lose or find it very hard to obtain - lock on satellites. There is a patch to turn off the clock to SD when not using it, but accessing SD will still disturb GPS. |
| 01:21.47 | SpeedEvil | GPS is currently affected by a problem when the SD is accessed - it seems to lose or find it very hard to obtain - lock on satellites. There is a patch to turn off the clock to SD when not using it, but accessing SD will still disturb GPS. There is a hardware fix, but how this can be applied to units in the field is unclear at the moment. |
| 01:21.47 | kdubois | having the sd card mounted shouldnt affect gps then? |
| 01:21.51 | Gnutoo | SpeedEvil, can it be solved by software? |
| 01:22.02 | Sargun_screen | Does anyone have sales statistics regarding the Freerunner |
| 01:22.03 | Gnutoo | SpeedEvil, because i plan to have my rootfs on sd |
| 01:22.07 | SpeedEvil | gn; no - unless you don't use SD at all |
| 01:22.25 | Gnutoo | SpeedEvil, ouch...i'd better not use the gps... |
| 01:22.44 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: http://www.mauve.plus.com/Freerunner.gif is a graph of the stock level on the US shop. |
| 01:23.05 | rtm | SpeedEvil: Do you know what the hardware fix is? |
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| 01:23.36 | SpeedEvil | rtp: it's been implied it's an added capacitor. |
| 01:23.50 | SpeedEvil | trm: I don't think it's been explicitly stated. |
| 01:24.08 | rtm | Oooooo soldering. I can hardly wait! |
| 01:24.21 | johngay | So those of us with SMT soldering skills should be able to apply it fairly handily? |
| 01:24.27 | SpeedEvil | Maybe. |
| 01:24.55 | SpeedEvil | I don't know the details. |
| 01:25.22 | johngay | You seem to know a lot more than anyone else (= |
| 01:25.40 | Sargun_screen | We're getting more on the 25th, right? |
| 01:25.47 | SpeedEvil | johncylee: I just lurk here a lot. |
| 01:26.06 | SpeedEvil | johngay: and have some knowledge of the hardware and electronics assembly. |
| 01:26.10 | rtm | I've been looking for something to do with these: http://arnoldservice.com/comparison_good_and_bad_round_capacitors.jpg |
| 01:26.13 | *** join/#openmoko slomo (n=slomo@e182121190.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 01:26.24 | chillywilly | I have net access from my phone via USB networking |
| 01:26.26 | chillywilly | weee |
| 01:26.46 | SpeedEvil | rtp: the ones involved will probably be 0201 caps. 1mm*0.5mm or so. |
| 01:27.13 | sontek | anyone know how to resolve opkg updates not working? |
| 01:27.30 | kdubois | sontek: ifdown usb0, if youre connected via wifi |
| 01:28.00 | sontek | kdubois: ahh, I can't be connected to usb and wireless? |
| 01:28.01 | rtm | SpeedEvil: Thanks for the update! |
| 01:28.13 | kelvie_work | SpeedEvil: yeah, thanks for that |
| 01:28.14 | sontek | kdubois: can I use the internet from my PC? |
| 01:28.21 | johngay | Well, thanks for the very specific and useful info. I'm guessing that this fix will be incorporated in future batch runs. |
| 01:28.23 | sontek | kdubois: typing on the moko is annoying compared to ssh :) |
| 01:28.25 | kdubois | sontek: you can, its just you need to have the routes set up right |
| 01:28.49 | Dave | Can I use the internet from my PC? |
| 01:28.59 | Dave | don't you mean, freerumner? :P |
| 01:29.17 | sontek | Dave: no, I mean plug into USB and use my laptops internet :) |
| 01:29.19 | kdubois | i think he means masquerading the connection |
| 01:29.29 | SpeedEvil | sontek: yes |
| 01:29.42 | SpeedEvil | sontek: look on the wiki - search for iptables |
| 01:30.00 | Dave | right |
| 01:30.05 | Dave | no, no |
| 01:30.15 | Dave | it's under OM wiki/USB_Networking |
| 01:30.18 | johngay | yes, yes, yes |
| 01:31.13 | penguinator | possible to do a hard reset without pulling the battery? |
| 01:31.16 | retracile | maybe * 4 |
| 01:31.22 | penguinator | or another way to recover from a kernel panic? |
| 01:31.56 | kdubois | penguinator: kernel panics will need a hard reset |
| 01:32.17 | Dave | Unfortunately |
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| 01:32.22 | Dave | and the stupid red led incessantly blinks :P |
| 01:32.26 | penguinator | But i have to take out the battery to do that? |
| 01:32.30 | johngay | Well, time for bed. Guess I'll have to discuss the supperiority of nVidia another day (= |
| 01:32.32 | penguinator | yea it is |
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| 01:32.58 | sdubois92 | kdubois: cool last name ;) |
| 01:33.52 | johngay | Not as cool as mine (= |
| 01:34.01 | penguinator | I tried the asu, but it claims it couldn't find the ext2 partition even though it was in the list of partitions |
| 01:34.03 | sdubois92 | that is true |
| 01:34.19 | sdubois92 | penguinator: oh hai |
| 01:34.53 | sontek | whats the difference between glibc asu package and om? |
| 01:35.48 | penguinator | sdubois92: hi |
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| 01:36.17 | sontek | hmm, when I shell to the usb its shelling to me instead of the phone |
| 01:36.26 | Sargun_screen | 7 days until more openmoko neo freerunners are in stock, right? |
| 01:37.05 | daMaestro | 's freerunner will be here tomorrow |
| 01:38.07 | penguinator | sontek: 192.168.0.202 |
| 01:38.11 | penguinator | i had the same problem |
| 01:38.17 | penguinator | you are 192.168.0.200 |
| 01:38.25 | penguinator | assuming your making the mistake i did |
| 01:38.32 | penguinator | the phone is 202 |
| 01:38.32 | sontek | penguinator: yeap |
| 01:38.34 | sontek | thanks |
| 01:38.39 | penguinator | no problem |
| 01:39.25 | kdubois | haha, nice sdubois92 |
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| 01:40.28 | Gnutoo | if there are some people that can't ssh to their phone...they should check if they have another interface such as their wifi that use the same kind of address that is to say 192.168.0.* |
| 01:40.37 | kdubois | what is the sd card called in /dev ? |
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| 01:41.32 | ieatlint | Gnutoo, yeah, they really should change that to an easy to remember one that no one really uses |
| 01:41.43 | ieatlint | like 10.254.254.x |
| 01:41.53 | Gnutoo | ieatlint, lol good idea |
| 01:42.11 | retracile | uses the 10 network |
| 01:42.25 | ieatlint | do you use 10.254.254.0/24 though? |
| 01:42.28 | sontek | is this the 2007.2 image? Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080715-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 01:42.47 | ieatlint | sontek, yes |
| 01:42.50 | retracile | ieatlint: no, specifically because it might get used by someone else picking a "standard" ip range. |
| 01:43.02 | sontek | should I be using the glibc ones or the other ones? |
| 01:43.23 | ieatlint | there aren't glibc ones |
| 01:43.26 | penguinator | mmcblk0 |
| 01:43.28 | ieatlint | glibc is a core component |
| 01:43.37 | penguinator | kdubois: ^ |
| 01:43.45 | penguinator | then p0 etc for partitions |
| 01:43.46 | Gnutoo | ieatlint, i used 10.0.0.* but i switched to 192.168.0.* as it is compatible with a /23 netmask with 192.168.1.* (all theses addresses but 192.168.1.* are openvpn addresses) |
| 01:43.51 | ieatlint | retracile, if you want an obscure nonroutable range, use 172... |
| 01:43.57 | sontek | ieatlint: whats the difference between the image I just pasted and openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02 ? |
| 01:44.05 | Gnutoo | ieatlint, 192.168.1.1 is my router... |
| 01:44.05 | SpeedEvil | And it's EBDIC |
| 01:44.07 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 01:44.24 | penguinator | got a strange problem, when i type exit in terminal, it quits and then starts again, and starts opening gazillions of tabs |
| 01:44.47 | ieatlint | sontek, absolutely nothing, the openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 is a symbolic link to the other methinks |
| 01:44.51 | Gnutoo | i must go and try to sleep...bye |
| 01:45.03 | retracile | ieatlint: A previous employer used that range... |
| 01:45.07 | ieatlint | i don't download that though, because it's devoid of any identifying text |
| 01:45.20 | ieatlint | retracile, yeah, i use it |
| 01:46.19 | ieatlint | i used to work for an isp that had blocks of IPs in like 172.64.x ... was funny, advanced users when we assigned them an ip were always "wtf, i don't want some bullshit nat'ed connection" |
| 01:47.07 | kdubois | thanks penguinator |
| 01:47.21 | linuxxr | freeme phone |
| 01:47.49 | trix | phone in hand :) |
| 01:48.53 | sontek | are there any apps like network manager for the moko? |
| 01:49.47 | retracile | ieatlint: heh |
| 01:50.17 | ieatlint | sontek, no, not really |
| 01:50.33 | ieatlint | qtopia has a half assed app that tries to work |
| 01:50.49 | ieatlint | someone needs to write one |
| 01:51.43 | retracile | a better one, preferably. *grumble* |
| 01:52.08 | ieatlint | if i weren't so lazy, i'd try and throw one together in gtk |
| 01:52.15 | ieatlint | but i'm an american.. |
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| 01:53.12 | kdubois | whats the most usable media player? |
| 01:53.54 | sontek | ieatlint: is there a generic interface to detect them, or do most apps use iwlist and parse it? |
| 01:54.57 | ieatlint | i dunno, i imagine they just parse iwlist, but i can't say for sure |
| 01:55.08 | sontek | I bet nm could be ported, and then we'd just have to use its dbus interface for a UI app |
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| 01:59.03 | sontek | so what do I have to do to be able to use usb and wifi for opkgupdate? |
| 02:01.22 | penguinator | sontek: you added something to /etc/resolv.conf right? |
| 02:02.30 | *** join/#openmoko charlie137 (n=charlie@firewall.tw.openmoko.org) |
| 02:02.34 | sontek | oh, its working now |
| 02:02.40 | sontek | before it was giving me error code 2 |
| 02:02.50 | Dave | :] |
| 02:03.05 | Dave | It'll still bitch about 404's on the package sigs, but works fine ;P |
| 02:03.06 | sontek | its installing pulse audio! oh noes! hopefully it works better on the moko than on my desktop :P |
| 02:03.14 | sontek | Dave: haha, yeah |
| 02:03.17 | Dave | ;) |
| 02:03.30 | Dave | just paining because for everyone who is too used to update && upgrade |
| 02:03.48 | Dave | the upgrade portion will never execute and some might be bewildered why they're still using outdated shit :P |
| 02:04.37 | *** join/#openmoko Chocky_ (n=peter@cpe-76-176-123-40.san.res.rr.com) |
| 02:05.24 | sontek | whats a better browser? openmoko-browser2 or minimo? |
| 02:05.39 | penguinator | sontek: couldn't figure out how to get minimo to work |
| 02:05.50 | penguinator | it wanted to download a crapload of deps from opkg |
| 02:05.51 | Dave | nothing could be worse than omb2? |
| 02:05.53 | penguinator | both version |
| 02:05.55 | penguinator | s |
| 02:06.05 | penguinator | omb2 does work though |
| 02:06.20 | Chox | hm, Slashdot story |
| 02:06.24 | kdubois | openmoko-mediaplayer only half works |
| 02:06.26 | Chox | so busy today, didn't notice it |
| 02:08.44 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 02:08.57 | SpeedEvil | ponders correcting inaccuracies in slashdot. |
| 02:09.05 | Chox | barely worth it |
| 02:09.13 | SpeedEvil | Anyone have a spare 20MT enhanced radiation pulse unit? |
| 02:09.29 | Chox | you could do a proper review, that might be better. |
| 02:09.51 | SpeedEvil | I would, but I lack a certain essential item. |
| 02:09.55 | Chox | I haven't seen any inaccurate comments yet |
| 02:09.58 | Chox | heh |
| 02:10.23 | Cthobs | Is it possible to run with MACHINE = "om-gta02" |
| 02:10.27 | Chox | apart from it actually being the second release, not the first |
| 02:10.28 | Cthobs | bah |
| 02:10.50 | Cthobs | MACHINE = "om-gat01,om-gat02" in local.conf to build for both in the Makefile? |
| 02:11.39 | SpeedEvil | http://science.slashdot.org/science/08/07/15/1852231.shtml Some people just need to be set on fire to encourage scientific accuracy in others. |
| 02:12.01 | Chox | you need to read Bad Astronomy |
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| 02:12.25 | SpeedEvil | No, I don't. |
| 02:12.32 | Chox | aye, you might get too angry |
| 02:12.33 | SpeedEvil | I've read sci.space.policy for a bit. |
| 02:12.59 | Dave | hah |
| 02:13.02 | Chox | anyway, it's a blog in which he debunks various things |
| 02:13.09 | Dave | Was it as enlightening as science fiction? |
| 02:13.10 | SpeedEvil | Chox: I know |
| 02:13.20 | Chox | velly gud |
| 02:14.16 | Chox | people still clueless about the real cost of an iPhone of course |
| 02:14.35 | SpeedEvil | Chox: which is less than you think |
| 02:14.39 | dcordes | uuuuuhh, iPhone. |
| 02:14.40 | SpeedEvil | Chox: $150 IIRC |
| 02:14.54 | Chox | wut, older one on ebay? :p |
| 02:14.58 | SpeedEvil | Chox: (to apple, of the hardware) |
| 02:15.07 | Chox | very funny, and clearly now wut I meant |
| 02:15.10 | SpeedEvil | New iphone is prolly cheaper than the old one to make. |
| 02:15.19 | Chox | could be |
| 02:16.21 | SpeedEvil | Actually - $100 says one source - but that was prior market. |
| 02:16.38 | sontek | My friend just sold his classic iphone on ebay for $510 |
| 02:16.53 | Dave | hah |
| 02:18.00 | trix | service through tmobile set up in <10min at the store- $49/mo plan and no contract. freedom! |
| 02:18.15 | trix | goes off to paint half his face blue |
| 02:18.23 | SpeedEvil | pities trix. |
| 02:18.29 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 02:18.40 | SpeedEvil | 2 min at t-mobile website, SIM arrives next day for $1 |
| 02:18.41 | kd8ikt | how bout half black and half white |
| 02:18.44 | SpeedEvil | (UK) |
| 02:18.55 | kd8ikt | then you could say your a treky |
| 02:18.56 | mmontour | $982 for an unlocked 16GB iPhone in Belgium, according to gizmodo |
| 02:18.58 | SpeedEvil | No monthly fee, and data for $5/5 days. |
| 02:19.10 | kd8ikt | sounds fishy |
| 02:19.29 | trix | they told me it would be $20 for the sim but all they charged was a $5 "control charge" |
| 02:19.50 | trix | though the difference of a day, or a couple days, would be worth the extra money for me to be able to dial calls :) |
| 02:20.08 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 02:20.15 | SpeedEvil | Iphone 3G has hammerhead GPS |
| 02:20.36 | SpeedEvil | The Hammerhead II integrates an assisted-GPS (A-GPS) baseband processor with a low-noise GPS RF front end and multi-path mitigation to avoid large errors in urban environments. While the die markings indicate it's actually a PMB 2520 Hammerhead I chip, |
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| 02:20.43 | sontek | so is there a good wiki page on the flow of the stacks? 2007.2 will be merged into ASU? or ASU is on its own and everyone should be developing for that? |
| 02:21.24 | SpeedEvil | http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=K4QKVKL3WDUL2QSNDLPCKHSCJUNN2JVN?articleID=209000014 |
| 02:21.30 | SpeedEvil | Iphone teardown |
| 02:21.50 | ieatlint | someone earlier compared this all to linux in like 2002... things kinda work, and the potential is definitely there, but the documentation is definitely not there |
| 02:22.42 | SpeedEvil | Probably mostly hair. |
| 02:22.46 | SpeedEvil | s/h/f/ |
| 02:22.57 | ieatlint | lol |
| 02:23.33 | sontek | I don't like either interface 2007.2 or ASU, but if I had to choose, 2007.2 is much better :P |
| 02:24.35 | sontek | 2007.2 is to cryptic, a bunch of icons but no text, you can't tell what each thing does |
| 02:24.47 | sontek | and ASU is just weird :P |
| 02:25.00 | Chox | and qtopia is just frustrating |
| 02:26.25 | mmontour | SpeedEvil: thanks for posting that link - I didn't know that the iPhone was using the Hammerhead. |
| 02:27.01 | Chox | oh gawds at FUD in the roughlydrafted "review" |
| 02:28.05 | Dave | :) |
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| 02:28.06 | Chox | he really has a stick up his arse |
| 02:28.54 | SpeedEvil | ponders if the stick is made from apple. |
| 02:29.13 | mmontour | I'm curious to see if I can measure any difference in my GTA01's GPS performance with and without the SD-card present |
| 02:29.14 | Chox | think of a candied apple on a stick |
| 02:29.30 | cjb | Chox: where's the review? |
| 02:29.39 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: very unlikely IMO |
| 02:29.40 | Chox | http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/08/23/apple-iphone-vs-the-fic-neo1973-openmoko-linux-smartphone/ |
| 02:29.44 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: but who knows. |
| 02:29.49 | Chox | hm, it's kinda old though |
| 02:29.51 | cjb | ah, year old or so. |
| 02:29.57 | Chox | never mind :p |
| 02:30.09 | Chox | it was linked from slash comments. slap my hand |
| 02:30.36 | mmontour | One guy on the community ML said that the issue affected his GTA01. I'm also skeptical, but it's an interesting possibility. |
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| 02:31.21 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: simply as much is different - the SD is directly connected to the SoC on 1973, and to the glamo on gta02. And I think the clock stops properly on the GTA01 |
| 02:31.59 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: dd a file from/to, and compare signal though I spose. |
| 02:32.09 | chillywilly | I dunno but it almost seems like the screen is too small for my fat fingers ;) |
| 02:32.14 | SpeedEvil | realises his 1973 is 20cm from him. |
| 02:32.28 | chillywilly | and the stylus is not built-in to the phone so it's not very convenient to carry around |
| 02:32.33 | SpeedEvil | plugs in external antenna in hopes of s signal. |
| 02:32.44 | Chox | yeh |
| 02:32.50 | Chox | fits in the carry case, but only just |
| 02:33.16 | SirBob1701 | so whats the gps cause on the freerunner? is it a bus issue with the sd card pushing crap down it regardless? can't find a good description of whats happening on mailing list |
| 02:33.39 | Chox | the wiki should have a good description by now |
| 02:33.48 | Chox | see topic :p |
| 02:34.00 | SpeedEvil | GPS is currently affected by a problem when the SD is accessed - it seems to lose or find it very hard to obtain - lock on satellites. There is a patch to turn off the clock to SD when not using it, but accessing SD will still disturb GPS. There is a hardware fix, but how this can be applied to units in the field is unclear at the moment. |
| 02:35.43 | mmontour | SpeedEvil: I think it's still worth testing, even if only to have data showing that GTA01 isn't affected. |
| 02:36.00 | SirBob1701 | the wiki really only talks about malformed connectors it appears. and when you say turning the clock off to it what exactly do you mean? |
| 02:37.02 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: I'm trying now |
| 02:37.13 | Stroller | SirBob1701: read the other link in the /topic - to the mailing list post |
| 02:37.17 | SpeedEvil | SirBob1701: software thing - turning making the SD not actiuve |
| 02:37.24 | ozzloy | my gsm signal is 2 bars, but i still have "Registering..." showing. how do i troubleshoot? |
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| 02:39.17 | SirBob1701 | SpeedEvil: thanks i'll have to look into it more to see if i can contribute anything :D |
| 02:40.56 | cjb | ozzloy: libgsm-tool, I think |
| 02:46.14 | kdubois | alright, time to get hacking. who's working on the media player? i think i want to help with that |
| 02:48.22 | sontek | does the media player support audio and video? |
| 02:48.25 | sontek | is it using gstreamer? |
| 02:49.00 | kdubois | from what i've seen, gstreamer is used |
| 02:49.40 | sontek | what mapping apps are available to be used with the GPS? |
| 02:49.51 | ozzloy | cjb: k, thanks |
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| 02:50.46 | ozzloy | cjb: actually not working |
| 02:52.16 | kdubois | where is the source hosted? |
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| 03:00.35 | gmaxwell | Request for future versions: Four microSD slots. ;) (mmooorrr storage..) Preferably ones that don't zot the gps... ;) |
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| 03:02.49 | SpeedEvil | Oh - I just realised. |
| 03:02.51 | SpeedEvil | awk -F'[,\*]' '/^\$GPGSV/{sats=(NF-4)/4,$0;for(x=1;x<=sats;x++){base=(x*4)+1;prn=$base;alt=$(base+1);az=$(base+2);snr=$(base+3);print alt"\t"az"\t"snr"\t"prn;totalsats++;totalsnr+=snr;}}/GPGSV/&&$2==$3{print "ALT\tAZ\tSNR\tPRN\t Average SNR from "totalsats" was "totalsnr/totalsats;totalsnr=totalsats=0}' |
| 03:02.55 | SpeedEvil | Might be handy for others. |
| 03:03.03 | Stroller | Heh |
| 03:03.06 | SpeedEvil | Prints out average sat signal from sats in view |
| 03:03.13 | Stroller | You want a RAID array of SDcards, gmaxwell ? |
| 03:03.35 | retracile | adds 'hot-swappable' to the RAID request |
| 03:03.42 | gmaxwell | Stroller, LVM! ;) |
| 03:04.28 | Stroller | lol |
| 03:04.39 | Stroller | a 32gig LVM, huh? |
| 03:04.51 | Dave | :P |
| 03:04.59 | Stroller | Blimey! My family's first PC had 32k |
| 03:05.10 | gmaxwell | heh but really.. just mount them separately for more storage.. ;) ... well probably 16gb microsd will be cheap by the time that dream comes true.. |
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| 03:05.16 | gmaxwell | so 64gig. ;) |
| 03:05.48 | gmaxwell | You know you want a fully self-hosting cell phone... that source code takes a lot of space! |
| 03:06.37 | AntonTakk1 | any of you get errors from the dialer? |
| 03:06.43 | AntonTakk1 | on 2007.2? |
| 03:08.47 | sontek | my 2007.2 dialer works great |
| 03:08.54 | Chox | take way too long to compile |
| 03:09.08 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: first test - md5sum /dev/zero |
| 03:09.37 | ieatlint | SpeedEvil, that just hangs |
| 03:09.48 | ieatlint | :P |
| 03:10.09 | SpeedEvil | Well - duh |
| 03:11.14 | ieatlint | ever try "dd if=/dev/ram of=/tmp/ram && dd if=/tmp/rar of=/dev/ram"? |
| 03:11.28 | ieatlint | that will give you some very interesting errors |
| 03:11.41 | ieatlint | programs will get very unhappy, but not all will crash |
| 03:11.54 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: /me trys again with non-broken tool |
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| 03:13.56 | Dave | good cal |
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| 03:15.50 | AntonTakk1 | :( |
| 03:16.18 | spdr | should get my moko soon ^_^ any recommendations ? |
| 03:16.18 | AntonTakk1 | keep experiencing a bug that is supposedly fixed months ago |
| 03:16.31 | AntonTakk1 | can't make or receive calls |
| 03:16.38 | spdr | can anyone? :\ |
| 03:16.56 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: playing Depech Mode from media card mp3 - no effect |
| 03:16.59 | AntonTakk1 | spdr: aparently everyone else can |
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| 03:18.35 | sontek | yay, 2007.2 is usable now =) I have qwerty keyboard installed :D :D |
| 03:18.37 | Sargun | Gah, I can't wait until July 25th. |
| 03:19.12 | Dave | :P |
| 03:19.17 | Dave | neither can I!?!!? |
| 03:19.26 | Dave | What happens then? |
| 03:19.50 | mwester | It becomes the 25th day in July, of course! |
| 03:19.57 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: dd if=/media/card/swapfile of=/dev/zero has no effect either. |
| 03:20.06 | Dave | Speedevil :( |
| 03:20.07 | gmaxwell | heh .. what a surprise! FR works as a phone right out of the box! |
| 03:20.10 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: if there is an effect on GTA01 - it's really small. |
| 03:20.54 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: sats in view - 6 - have a signal from 32 to 13 - the change - if any is under 1 unit |
| 03:21.32 | SpeedEvil | Gah. |
| 03:21.38 | SpeedEvil | That's an annoying behaviour. |
| 03:21.49 | mmontour | SpeedEvil: OK, good to know. I'm still going to run some tests myself, but it won't be for a while because I have to go to a park to get a decent view of the sky |
| 03:21.59 | SpeedEvil | I was developing that script and lost it as the command history is shared between all shells open. |
| 03:22.32 | SpeedEvil | Oh - pasted it a while back. |
| 03:22.33 | Chox | seriously considers going to back to default image from qtopia |
| 03:22.37 | Chox | then updating that |
| 03:22.39 | mmontour | Yeah, that sucks. I switch to bash when I'm doing anything where history would be useful |
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| 03:23.03 | Chox | since qtopia is basically unusable right now, IME |
| 03:23.49 | gmaxwell | okay.. phone drops if you remove the battery while talking it seems :) |
| 03:24.01 | Chox | imagine that :o |
| 03:24.29 | gmaxwell | well I had it plugged in and the phone stayed running |
| 03:25.53 | AntonTakk1 | you guys that can make calls - does it take the freerunner a bit to register, or is it almost immediate? |
| 03:26.12 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: oh - that was with external antenna - I'll do more tests today with internal. |
| 03:26.20 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: with internal I'd have had to get up. |
| 03:26.20 | Stroller | AntonTakk: you may need to reseat the SIM |
| 03:26.35 | AntonTakk1 | Stroller: done that like 7 times today |
| 03:26.58 | gmaxwell | mine registered right away |
| 03:27.03 | AntonTakk1 | sometimes it helps for the first power on afterwatds - but i still can't make calls |
| 03:27.29 | gmaxwell | I have a fairly new "3g" blue and white AT&T sim. |
| 03:28.04 | gmaxwell | (that I was previously using in a nokia 2610 that I use when not using the moko) |
| 03:28.04 | AntonTakk1 | i'm fairly sure my sim is not 3g, since t-mobile doesn't even have a 3g network yet |
| 03:29.43 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: tests repeated with internal antenna to same results |
| 03:29.59 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: Actually - I lie - this time it was Goldie Lookin' Chain. |
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| 03:30.29 | chillywilly | what's the recommended firmware if you want a usable phone? |
| 03:30.36 | netx | does anyone know what is up with the 3g cards? |
| 03:30.44 | SpeedEvil | chillywilly: nokia 1100 |
| 03:30.50 | netx | i bought one that the wiki said worked, but it is not registering |
| 03:31.06 | Stroller | In the section about Un-crippling the 2007.2 image - what is the reduced image missing apart from the clock? |
| 03:31.12 | chillywilly | well I can actually make and receive calls but the SMS stuff is lacking |
| 03:31.17 | Stroller | The clock's annoyingly large & I can do without it |
| 03:31.34 | SpeedEvil | Stroller: I think the keyboard got broken |
| 03:31.43 | Stroller | Ah! |
| 03:31.59 | mmontour | googles "Goldie Lookin' Chain"... |
| 03:32.54 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: http://youtube.com/watch?v=wAZTLVJSlNw |
| 03:32.55 | netx | gmaxwell: is your sim the 71234 O 4022, by chance? |
| 03:34.21 | Stroller | Sorry - I meant reduced INTERFACE |
| 03:35.33 | Dave | hrm |
| 03:36.41 | gmaxwell | netx: I'll look once I'm off the phone ;) |
| 03:36.47 | gmaxwell | I'm so thrilled that it just works! |
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| 03:37.04 | gmaxwell | Stroller, the clock is off by default .. no? |
| 03:37.08 | netx | no hurries ;-) |
| 03:37.08 | mmontour | saves that URL and waits for a good opportunity to Rickroll someone with it |
| 03:38.43 | Stroller | gmaxwell: yeah, that's right. Then running "dbus-launch gconftool-2 -t boolean -s /desktop/poky/interface/reduced false" turns it on |
| 03:38.56 | Stroller | I was wondering what else that command did |
| 03:39.07 | Stroller | Oh, it seems to add categories to the + menu |
| 03:39.12 | cjb | gmaxwell: how was the call quality? |
| 03:39.16 | Stroller | And that's it as far as I can see |
| 03:39.24 | sontek | elfo: are you the developer of that qwerty keyboard? |
| 03:39.27 | chillywilly | qtopia or ASU? |
| 03:39.35 | chillywilly | which one should I try? |
| 03:39.38 | chillywilly | ;P |
| 03:39.49 | Stroller | Does anyone else get "Signature check failed" when running `opkg update`? |
| 03:39.55 | gmaxwell | cjb it's better than the little nokia.. it sounds decent |
| 03:39.57 | Dave | yes |
| 03:39.59 | Dave | Everyone does |
| 03:40.04 | Stroller | Good |
| 03:40.06 | Dave | at least four times |
| 03:40.08 | Dave | :P |
| 03:40.12 | Stroller | What's the work around, please? |
| 03:40.14 | cjb | gmaxwell: neat. and for the other caller? |
| 03:40.16 | chillywilly | Stroller: usually means you have no net connectivity at least that is what I have experienced |
| 03:40.23 | Dave | bitch at the fucking opkg maintainers? |
| 03:40.57 | Stroller | chillywilly: no, I can download the Packages.gz & ping buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 03:41.14 | Stroller | Dave: you can't tell opkg to ignore sigs? |
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| 03:45.37 | Dave | nope |
| 03:45.40 | Dave | apparently not |
| 03:45.55 | Stroller | That sucks |
| 03:46.01 | Dave | In no convenient manner anyway |
| 03:46.05 | Dave | and yeah it totally does |
| 03:46.05 | Chox | hax it. |
| 03:46.20 | mwester | wonders why none of the frequent complainers have submitted a patch to fix opkg yet |
| 03:46.28 | Chox | quite |
| 03:46.30 | Dave | yep :D |
| 03:46.39 | mmontour | There is an "opkg-nogpg" recipe in bitbake. Presumably that one would ignore signatures, but I haven't tried it |
| 03:46.49 | Chox | still running through list of things to complain before fixing anything ;-) |
| 03:47.03 | mmontour | s/bitbake/OE/ |
| 03:48.53 | Stroller | Well, at leats installing stuff works |
| 03:48.58 | Stroller | At least |
| 03:49.04 | Stroller | I'll try a later image |
| 03:49.08 | Stroller | Maybe tomorrow, tho' |
| 03:49.28 | Chox | reaslistically, I won't be able to do much until next month, when family goes away for 2 weeks |
| 03:49.44 | Chox | and I don't even have a sim for my phone yet |
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| 03:55.52 | sontek | i'm looking at the media player, there aren't any icons on the buttons for play/pause etc |
| 03:55.56 | sontek | is that a bug on my phone |
| 03:56.01 | sontek | or are they really just a bunch of squares? |
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| 03:56.34 | Chox | check out the getting started guide for a fix |
| 03:56.59 | Chox | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.59 | Chox | # wget http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/openmoko-mediaplayer-theme.tar.bz2 |
| 03:56.59 | Chox | # tar xjf openmoko-mediaplayer-theme.tar.bz2 -C /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0 |
| 03:56.59 | Chox | # rm openmoko-mediaplayer-theme.tar.bz2 |
| 03:57.49 | gmaxwell | hm.. it's getting a bit hot. ;) |
| 03:58.09 | Chox | that's cos it's Summer time |
| 03:58.17 | Chox | at least, in NH |
| 03:59.26 | gmaxwell | heh well I've been on the phone for a while.. |
| 03:59.35 | gmaxwell | I think I should be using a headset for this.. |
| 03:59.38 | sontek | Chox: you are a genius :) thats a much better theme |
| 04:00.01 | Chox | only inasmuch as I read :p |
| 04:00.12 | sontek | Chox: do you know how to remove songs out of a playlist? |
| 04:00.20 | Chox | hah. no. |
| 04:00.38 | rtm | reflash rootfs |
| 04:00.44 | Chox | pff |
| 04:00.51 | Chox | ssh in and delete the appropriate files |
| 04:01.25 | gmaxwell | woo.. did a half hour call with no problems |
| 04:01.34 | Chox | so Blackberry takes 3 mins to boot? geez. |
| 04:01.48 | Chox | that's worse than my FR :p |
| 04:01.56 | gmaxwell | chox: if it's a cold (battery out) boot yea.. my bberry takes around 3minutes |
| 04:02.01 | roh | btw.. yahoo-customers.. kick your admins into the nuts. its their fault you do not get mail from om-lists atm |
| 04:02.42 | gmaxwell | Who wanted to know about my working AT&T sim? |
| 04:03.07 | chillywilly | well I hope I am not breaking this phone...I am running an 'opkg upgrade' |
| 04:03.11 | chillywilly | ;P |
| 04:03.15 | kelvie | eh.. my ipod touch takes about that long to boot up too |
| 04:03.17 | AntonTakk1 | anyone know what version of 2007.2 the freerunner ships with? |
| 04:03.18 | kelvie | from cold |
| 04:03.30 | AntonTakk1 | maybe i shouldn't have flashed to the latest recommended |
| 04:03.40 | Chox | chillywilly: first do: opkg install dropbear >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 04:03.54 | chillywilly | k but that's already running |
| 04:04.02 | chillywilly | why would I need ot install it again? |
| 04:04.06 | stephelton | has anyone used the asu image? |
| 04:04.08 | Chox | you'll see |
| 04:04.09 | AntonTakk1 | chillywilly: i tried that once, had to re-flash to get the phone to boot afterwards |
| 04:04.25 | Chox | right, installed the latest GTK image. hmmm. |
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| 04:04.52 | gmaxwell | RE my working AT&T sim. It's blue and white with an orange 3G, and it sats at&t with the deathstar and a number 89014 ... and the back is blue with a 3G and a number ending in 3022 |
| 04:05.15 | Chox | bit more sensible than the default one. and more usable than qtopia |
| 04:05.28 | chillywilly | my AT&T SIM also works |
| 04:05.45 | gmaxwell | guess I should add mine to the wiki |
| 04:05.47 | Chox | the one I have "works", but it's data only plan |
| 04:06.03 | chillywilly | where's the link to asu? |
| 04:06.27 | ljp | whats more usable than qtopia? |
| 04:06.46 | chillywilly | too many firmwares... |
| 04:07.14 | Chox | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080715/Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080715-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 04:07.15 | AntonTakk1 | oh, great |
| 04:07.23 | Chox | is what I grabbed |
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| 04:08.16 | AntonTakk1 | ...... |
| 04:08.18 | AntonTakk1 | hrm |
| 04:08.46 | AntonTakk1 | there for a sec any time I plugged my fr in to usb all it did was make a very rappid, very quiet ticking |
| 04:09.23 | SpeedEvil | Then it exploded with the force of a thousand suns, warping you horribly, and giving you the power of flight? |
| 04:09.32 | AntonTakk1 | no |
| 04:09.42 | SpeedEvil | Well, that's what's meant to happen. |
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| 04:10.02 | AntonTakk1 | i tried putting the battery back in again and the ticking went away and the thing finally booted again |
| 04:10.38 | AntonTakk1 | guess i'll try flashing the latest image again |
| 04:10.42 | AntonTakk1 | maybe it'll work |
| 04:10.49 | AntonTakk1 | er, latest recommended |
| 04:11.05 | chillywilly | which image are people running? |
| 04:11.18 | Dave | Everything |
| 04:11.32 | Chox | Dave has enough phones to do that |
| 04:11.46 | chillywilly | ASU?, qtopia?, daily build? |
| 04:13.07 | sitwon | right now, openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 04:13.28 | ljp | qtopia |
| 04:13.30 | sitwon | I tried Qtopia and plan to put it on an SD for a 2nd boot option |
| 04:13.32 | Dave | True |
| 04:13.34 | Chox | the one I showed above :p |
| 04:13.36 | Dave | I am, as well :) |
| 04:14.10 | gmaxwell | The image the FR shipped with works as a phone! so I'm going to use that one for a while. |
| 04:14.35 | sitwon | Not a huge fan of ASU at the moment... it's pretty, but feels too "glitchy" for my tastes... I'm sure it'll be cleared up in a few weeks though |
| 04:14.45 | chillywilly | it is working for me also but the SMS app leaves much to be desired |
| 04:14.57 | gmaxwell | Does anything have a version of network manager that works from the phone yet? |
| 04:15.12 | gmaxwell | chihchun, I haven't tested the sms.. does it work at all? |
| 04:15.12 | sitwon | chillywilly: Qtopia has an SMS app, you might want to try it out to see if you like it better |
| 04:15.21 | sandman__ | how do I add a boot parameter to the boot process (on QEMU)? |
| 04:15.24 | Sargun | Lala. |
| 04:15.33 | sitwon | gmaxwell: you mean for Wifi? |
| 04:15.42 | gmaxwell | sitwon, yes, for wifi |
| 04:16.05 | chillywilly | sitwon: does the phone work? |
| 04:16.10 | gmaxwell | sitwon, not exactly exciting to try to edit a wpasupplicant config just to get on a hotspot ;) |
| 04:16.13 | sitwon | gmaxwell: I just ported a python script I wrote to manage wifi on my Slackware Laptop ages ago |
| 04:16.54 | sitwon | chillywilly: the om2007.2 and Qtopia images are usable as a basic phone |
| 04:17.09 | gmaxwell | sitwon, Like this? http://xkcd.com/416/ |
| 04:17.10 | chillywilly | where's the opkg config file and what lines should be in it? |
| 04:17.32 | AntonTakk1 | sitwon: qtopia - you mean asu, or the actual pure qtopia image? |
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| 04:18.06 | sitwon | AntonTakk1: the actual Qtopia image |
| 04:18.12 | sitwon | gmaxwell: haha, something like that |
| 04:18.28 | sitwon | gmaxwell: I'm hoping to get kismet on my FR soon |
| 04:18.43 | gmaxwell | sitwon, I used to use kismet on my OpenZaurus long ago |
| 04:19.07 | netx | gmaxwell: thanks for the sim info, i was busy working on my moko so i lost track of irc |
| 04:19.08 | sitwon | gmaxwell: Once I get kismet on my FR, I can stop lugging around my N770 |
| 04:19.28 | gmaxwell | netx: Actually I had the wrong first couple of digits |
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| 04:19.44 | chillywilly | I upgraded/installed dropbear first but everytime I run 'opkg upgrade' the ssh connection is dropped |
| 04:19.54 | gmaxwell | netx, http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Carriers%2FATT&diff=40404&oldid=40125 |
| 04:21.20 | SpeedEvil | sitwon: the wifi chip doesn't support that. |
| 04:21.23 | chillywilly | looks like it is some X package that is killing the connection |
| 04:22.49 | sitwon | SpeedEvil: no monitor mode? |
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| 04:22.50 | mwester | sitwon: let me guess -- you ALSO are one of the many, many professional network penetration testers who have selected the freerunner to perform to add to their toolkit. |
| 04:23.21 | gmaxwell | 'professional network penetration testers' |
| 04:23.32 | gmaxwell | Wonder how many FRs I'll see at HOPE this week? |
| 04:23.33 | mwester | Well, that's what they claim. |
| 04:23.37 | sitwon | mwester: I'm not a pentester, I just troubleshoot a lot of wireless installs |
| 04:23.51 | sitwon | gmaxwell: mine will be one of them |
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| 04:24.37 | sitwon | mwester: one of my companies develops linux-based wireless appliances |
| 04:24.37 | mwester | I just never knew just how many of those folks there are about; it boggles one's mind to think that there are ANY insecure networks left with so many of these completely legitimate security testers about. |
| 04:24.43 | *** join/#openmoko swc|666 (n=swc|666@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 04:25.25 | sitwon | hey, I'm not saying I don't hack networks and/or steal wifi form time to time... I'm just saying that pentesting (legit or not) is not my primary usage of kismet |
| 04:25.27 | mwester | Sure is comforting. Kinda like those nice people who go about rattling your hotel room door at 3AM, just to make sure that you're protected and safe in your room. So kind of them. |
| 04:25.28 | netx | gmaxwell: you will see at least one in addition to yours; of course, hopefully mine will be working by then ;-) |
| 04:26.09 | sitwon | hey, are any of you guys staying at the Penn? |
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| 04:26.45 | gmaxwell | netx: I kinda got lucky on the sim.. I had an OLD cingular phone for eons.. whos sim worked in the GTA01. .. and I lost it three weeks ago, so I got the cheapest non-contract phone from AT&T that I could (nokia 2960 ~$30) with the hopes that getting something inexpensive would increase the chances of the sim working. |
| 04:27.47 | sitwon | mwester, SpeedEvil: does the chip not support Monitor mode? |
| 04:27.54 | SpeedEvil | sitwon: no |
| 04:27.59 | SpeedEvil | sitwon: well - the firmware not |
| 04:28.12 | gmaxwell | really? ... whats in it? |
| 04:28.25 | sitwon | so it's possible that it could, just not implemented? |
| 04:28.41 | roh | currently not. we would know |
| 04:29.22 | sitwon | *shrugs* well not like the N770 really weighs me down... |
| 04:29.25 | roh | its hardmac. |
| 04:30.04 | sitwon | hardmac? |
| 04:30.05 | mwester | sitwon: But it's not really a problem; you have the USB -- use a wifi dongle. After all, since the use is completely LEGIT, there's clearly no need to worry about a few extra wires dangling about, right? |
| 04:30.10 | SpeedEvil | roh: you mean firmware in ROM? |
| 04:30.33 | gmaxwell | besides.. external wifi means you can connect a gain antenna |
| 04:30.37 | tessier | Why do I still get 404 errors when I do an opkg update? :| |
| 04:30.48 | SpeedEvil | roh: or just undocumented firmware supplied as blob? |
| 04:31.40 | sitwon | mwester: that's true, I've just never found a USB adapter with very good Linux support. (been unlucky with a few tries) |
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| 04:31.52 | mwester | gmaxwell: :D Sure! Just make sure that when you point that antenna at Big Bubba's house, you have your official "Network Penetration Tester" membership badge to show him when he comes out to check out what you're pointing at his house! |
| 04:32.04 | gmaxwell | heh. |
| 04:32.19 | gmaxwell | Well fortunately, all my activity is legit and on the up and up. |
| 04:32.34 | CVirus | are there any plans for a GTA03 ? |
| 04:32.34 | chillywilly | hmmm |
| 04:32.39 | gmaxwell | the notion of a FR connected to a 24dB gain parabolic grid antenna makes me giggle. |
| 04:32.51 | mwester | It's not been FCC approved either |
| 04:32.57 | chillywilly | what files would I need from here if I want to install the latest freerunner images --> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080715/ ? |
| 04:33.05 | mwester | (which only matters if you use it in the US, of course) |
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| 04:33.25 | rivalarrival | gmaxwell: Oooh... parabolic dish antenna |
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| 04:34.07 | gmaxwell | mwester, fcc regs so widely ignored in 2.4ghz ism.. :( |
| 04:34.48 | gmaxwell | much to everyone detriment... twits building p2p links using omni antennas and 1w amps.. on devices with cruddy spurrious emissions |
| 04:34.52 | mwester | Yeah. But not that big a deal in the first place; it's shared with microwave ovens. |
| 04:35.20 | mwester | If the twits were to move to the 5GHz band, that might be worrisome. |
| 04:35.28 | AntonTakk1 | and microwave radar :) |
| 04:36.00 | gmaxwell | microwave ovens aren't usually an enormous problem outdoors in my experience. |
| 04:36.57 | AntonTakk1 | gmaxwell: my experience with microwave ovens outdors says that them being a problem is directly related to weather or not they have reached escape velocity :) |
| 04:37.07 | gmaxwell | hehe |
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| 04:37.31 | chillywilly | what's the difference between ther jffs2 images that have "devel" in the name and the ones that have qtopia-x11? |
| 04:37.42 | chillywilly | the images here -> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080715/ |
| 04:37.46 | AntonTakk1 | ok, it's coming up saying t-mobile right off the bat |
| 04:37.51 | MadTBone | the FSO image does not have contact management yet....right? |
| 04:38.00 | AntonTakk1 | but has a ? right next to the gsm antenna icon |
| 04:38.03 | mwester | devel is the 2007.2 aka "gtk" image, qtopia-x11 is the asu image. |
| 04:38.11 | chillywilly | ok |
| 04:38.25 | mwester | MadTBone: the fso image has nothing but a dialer. It's naked. |
| 04:38.43 | AntonTakk1 | takes it maybe a couple minutes to pop up the message that it has registered |
| 04:38.44 | MadTBone | mwester: that's what I thought. thanks |
| 04:39.23 | chillywilly | which kernel image should be used with this -> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080715/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080715-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 ? |
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| 04:40.18 | goodwill | wooohooo |
| 04:40.25 | goodwill | I got an expensive flash light |
| 04:40.38 | AntonTakk1 | goodwill: eh? |
| 04:40.54 | goodwill | a freerunner |
| 04:41.06 | AntonTakk1 | not working, or? |
| 04:41.24 | goodwill | works great |
| 04:41.27 | goodwill | but I have no sim card |
| 04:41.34 | AntonTakk1 | ah |
| 04:41.34 | goodwill | plus the default image is bare |
| 04:41.45 | goodwill | so at this moment its a flashlight |
| 04:41.51 | walrustown | wow it's dead in here! |
| 04:41.51 | AntonTakk1 | so it's really more like an expensive pda :) |
| 04:41.52 | mwester | goodwill: It runs linux |
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| 04:42.01 | mwester | That's better than most flashlights |
| 04:42.02 | goodwill | mwester: so...true |
| 04:42.08 | macdonalder | smart flashlight? |
| 04:42.15 | mwester | Most flashlights run Windows. |
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| 04:42.21 | goodwill | hahaha |
| 04:42.27 | swc|666 | so is anyone with an AT&T contract able to use their SIM in the FR? |
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| 04:42.35 | goodwill | mwester: I would not say tehy run it...they suffer I think |
| 04:42.47 | goodwill | swc|666: we had peopel in meeting who could |
| 04:42.50 | mwester | swc|666: Mine works. Reregisters all the time, but it works. |
| 04:43.01 | nadio | Can anyone answer a question about how to get a 3G data card working in linux ? |
| 04:43.02 | AntonTakk1 | mwester: how can that be? i have never had a flash light not work for aparently no reason, or turn off w/o reason |
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| 04:43.07 | swc|666 | a non 3g chip, right? |
| 04:43.11 | AntonTakk1 | or had the light turn blue |
| 04:43.15 | mwester | :) |
| 04:43.18 | chillywilly | which kernel image should be used with this -> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080715/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080715-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 ? |
| 04:43.28 | chillywilly | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080715/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin ? |
| 04:43.34 | mwester | chillywilly: They are all equally bad on that image |
| 04:43.43 | chillywilly | uh? |
| 04:43.50 | mwester | That kernel will do as well as any. |
| 04:44.11 | mwester | The ASU image is the least stable of all the images. |
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| 04:44.19 | AntonTakk1 | gah |
| 04:44.20 | goodwill | swc|666: the advice was to go to at&t shop and tell them you have an unlocked phone and get them to give you a new sim |
| 04:44.37 | AntonTakk1 | phone registers now, a bit slowly, but w/e, still get error from the dialer thou |
| 04:44.38 | chillywilly | the .bin images for u-boot are bootloader updates? |
| 04:44.52 | swc|666 | goodwill: AT&T told me i'd have to find the chip myself and they would activate for me |
| 04:44.52 | mwester | chillywilly: uImage*.bin is the kernel |
| 04:45.01 | nadio | 3G cards anyone? |
| 04:45.18 | swc|666 | mwester: do u happen to know the SKU# and version of your chip? |
| 04:45.22 | swc|666 | sim* |
| 04:45.37 | gmaxwell | anyone got the wifi working with WEP? |
| 04:45.38 | gmaxwell | Failed to set encryption. |
| 04:45.38 | gmaxwell | ioctl[PRISM2_IOCTL_HOSTAPD]: Operation not supported |
| 04:45.47 | chillywilly | mwester: what about u-boot*.bin? what is that? |
| 04:46.21 | mwester | chillywilly: u-boot*bin is the bootloader. |
| 04:46.31 | chillywilly | mwester: so can you update that as well? |
| 04:46.46 | mwester | swc|666: 73000 is the SKU |
| 04:46.50 | mwester | chillywilly: Yes |
| 04:47.12 | mwester | nadio: Yes, that's a 3G SIM too. :) |
| 04:47.34 | nadio | mwester: ? Please explain what you mean ? |
| 04:47.41 | chillywilly | mwester: so do you think I should go with the gtk snapshot or the ASU snapshot? |
| 04:47.45 | nadio | I am looking for someone that have setup a 3G data card in linux |
| 04:47.50 | sandman__ | swc|666: have you checked out: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT? I have a 71234 SKu and it doesn't work with the FR |
| 04:47.57 | mwester | nadio: you were asking about a 3G SIM card, no? |
| 04:48.07 | nadio | mwester: No, more of the device it self. |
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| 04:48.28 | mwester | You mean SD card? |
| 04:48.46 | nadio | mwester: No, USB, 3G data card. |
| 04:48.56 | mwester | Nope, sorry. |
| 04:48.56 | tessier | swc|666: I can use my AT&T SIM in the FR |
| 04:49.02 | tessier | Can't upgrade my FR though |
| 04:49.40 | nadio | btw what does freerunner cost in US and in EU ? |
| 04:49.50 | Ancient123 | I have neither of the cards ive gotten from AT&T work >.< |
| 04:50.31 | Ancient123 | and both are on the bad list on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT |
| 04:50.41 | swc|666 | mwester: thanx ...sandman_: yeah i have one that is listed as working too, but nogo |
| 04:50.48 | swc|666 | tessier: really? |
| 04:50.51 | *** part/#openmoko nadio (n=nobody@about/philosophy/nadio) |
| 04:51.11 | tessier | swc|666: Yes |
| 04:51.38 | swc|666 | well i just found an old sim at home that i had from my olllllllld phone in germany.. |
| 04:51.49 | swc|666 | listed as working |
| 04:52.09 | swc|666 | but i doubt if i can get it activated for at&t |
| 04:52.11 | chillywilly | what are the lowlevel*.bin files and what's with the gta02vX versions? |
| 04:53.18 | mmontour | lowlevel.bin are used with the debug board. They perform low-level initialization so that a u-boot image can be loaded into RAM over JTAG. |
| 04:54.02 | sandman__ | swc|666: that sucks that some of the listed ones are not working. I was planning on buying a new SIM based on that list. |
| 04:54.05 | chillywilly | ok, so you need a debug board in order to upodate th bootloader? |
| 04:54.10 | chillywilly | update* |
| 04:54.40 | swc|666 | sandman_: me too... maybe i'll try to find the same one that mwester has |
| 04:54.44 | mmontour | No, if you already have a working u-boot you can update it with dfu-util. On Freerunner you do need a debug board to update the copy of the bootloader in the NOR flash |
| 04:54.58 | Chox | hm, still no GPS outside with SD removed |
| 04:55.37 | chillywilly | mmontour: ok, are there different version of the gta02 and if so how do I know which one I have? |
| 04:55.58 | mmontour | There's a line in /proc/cpuinfo that shows which board revision you have |
| 04:56.25 | chillywilly | ok |
| 04:57.29 | AntonTakk1 | my understanding is that the phone functionality of the fso image is very reliable - is that true? |
| 04:57.36 | sontek | is there a way to change the ringtone for sms and calls? |
| 04:59.08 | gmaxwell | lame.. so yea.. doesn't seem that wep works. wpa does. |
| 04:59.41 | walrustown | gmaxwell, you got WPA working with a FR? |
| 04:59.54 | gmaxwell | it appears to be working |
| 05:00.26 | walrustown | gmaxwell, did you use the wpa_supplicant.conf example from the wiki? I tried that and wasn't able to get WPA working |
| 05:01.12 | chillywilly | so what board is Revision : 0350 ? |
| 05:01.31 | mmontour | v5 |
| 05:01.57 | gmaxwell | walrustown, pretty boring config with pairwise=TKIP on both my ap system and the FR |
| 05:02.40 | walrustown | gmaxwell, ok thanks, I'll try again. I probably just did something silly |
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| 05:04.15 | ieatlint | chillywilly, type this to get the board revisions "libgsmd-tool -m shell" then type "rv" ... give it a few seconds, it'll give you the revision |
| 05:04.19 | ieatlint | type "q" to quit |
| 05:04.30 | ieatlint | mine reports revision: "HW: GTA02BV5, GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko8" |
| 05:05.00 | walrustown | has anyone in here tried doing openmoko development with debian? |
| 05:05.13 | walrustown | I can't find a version of the libmokoui2 package that will work with debian etch |
| 05:07.03 | AntonTakk1 | flashes the fso image |
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| 05:07.26 | sontek | AntonTakk1: hows the fso image look/feel? I've tried ASU and 2007.2 so far, 2007.2 is my fav |
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| 05:07.51 | AntonTakk1 | sontek: will let you know when it finishes flashing |
| 05:08.14 | AntonTakk1 | i can't even get 2007.2 to do voice calls |
| 05:09.00 | sontek | my 2007.2 has wireless, sms, calls, calendar, tasks, media player, etc |
| 05:09.02 | sontek | its great |
| 05:09.14 | sontek | I hate the SMS interface and can't figure out how to change ringtones |
| 05:09.17 | sontek | but overall i'm impressed |
| 05:09.36 | AntonTakk1 | i know, been using it, but i keep experiencing a bug that the trac says has been fixed for like 6 months :( |
| 05:10.12 | AntonTakk1 | any time I try to make a call i get the same error |
| 05:10.24 | AntonTakk1 | and imcoming calls go straight to voice mail |
| 05:11.30 | AntonTakk1 | sontek: what 2007.2 image are you using? |
| 05:11.46 | AntonTakk1 | maybe i just need a more recent image |
| 05:11.56 | sontek | AntonTakk1: the one from today |
| 05:12.07 | AntonTakk1 | been using latest recommended |
| 05:12.10 | AntonTakk1 | ah |
| 05:12.22 | AntonTakk1 | did you try making calls before flashing? |
| 05:12.44 | sontek | yeah, it worked |
| 05:12.47 | sontek | wireless did not though |
| 05:12.50 | sontek | thats why I flased |
| 05:12.51 | walrustown | gmaxwell, what version of the 2007.2 image are you using? I'm using the recommended version, maybe that's my prob |
| 05:12.52 | sontek | flashed* |
| 05:13.04 | zbowling | god.. i can't flash my device on mac wihout either building the crap out of stuff or running on my linux side.. but how can i watch my itunes at the same time i code? |
| 05:13.07 | gmaxwell | walrustown, I'm using what came on the phone :) |
| 05:13.07 | zbowling | arrg |
| 05:13.25 | walrustown | gmaxwell, ok, thanks |
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| 05:14.16 | chillywilly | flashing kernel.... |
| 05:14.18 | chillywilly | weeeee |
| 05:14.26 | Chox | toilet -> |
| 05:14.46 | ieatlint | 2007.2 does not like it if you restart gsmd |
| 05:14.59 | AntonTakk1 | ah, flash is done, booting :) |
| 05:15.19 | chillywilly | flashing daily build of devel gtk image... :P |
| 05:16.03 | AntonTakk1 | chillywilly: i haven't been able to find those, can you link? |
| 05:16.13 | chillywilly | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080715/ |
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| 05:17.10 | chillywilly | takes a while to do the rootfs |
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| 05:19.05 | sontek | which image is the FSO one? |
| 05:19.52 | chillywilly | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone1/ |
| 05:20.00 | chillywilly | that one I believe |
| 05:21.00 | chillywilly | the hybrid image is not out yet, right? |
| 05:21.18 | Chox | so was there a solution for a smaller clock? |
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| 05:21.20 | AntonTakk1 | fso can make calls, but there seems to be no audio |
| 05:21.33 | AntonTakk1 | and does not seem to receive calls |
| 05:21.44 | shpedoikal | chillywilly: today's image is the best I've tried.. |
| 05:21.55 | AntonTakk1 | sontek: do i just need the rootfs image? |
| 05:21.59 | chillywilly | shpedoikal: erm, which one? |
| 05:22.03 | sontek | AntonTakk1: I updated kernel as well |
| 05:22.06 | AntonTakk1 | for the 2007.2 daily? |
| 05:22.10 | AntonTakk1 | ok |
| 05:22.11 | chillywilly | shpedoikal: the gtk devel one or the qtopia/asu? |
| 05:22.14 | Chox | aye |
| 05:22.19 | Chox | also best I've tried. |
| 05:22.23 | Chox | GTK |
| 05:22.25 | chillywilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.36 | sontek | can I use mp3s/oggs as ringtones? |
| 05:22.38 | chillywilly | I am flashing it right now |
| 05:22.40 | shpedoikal | chillywilly: Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080715-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 05:22.47 | donomo | the AGPS Test app says 'press START to begin GPS' yet i dont see a start button. any ideas? |
| 05:22.51 | sontek | i'm looking at /etc/pulse/session and everything is .wav |
| 05:22.52 | AntonTakk1 | sontek: ok, only nervous about flashing uboot, kernel and rootfs can be re-flashed easily :) |
| 05:22.55 | chillywilly | danielb@frodo:~/bin/om-firmware$ sudo ../dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080715-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 05:22.58 | chillywilly | ;P |
| 05:23.10 | rtm | donomo: Push power |
| 05:23.34 | chillywilly | shpedoikal: is the SMS application better now? |
| 05:23.47 | linuxxr | 6 |
| 05:23.48 | cb22 | in theory a freerunner should have no problem flashing another freerunner over usb, right? |
| 05:23.50 | linuxxr | 5 |
| 05:23.52 | nullpuppy | uboot can be flashed safely too |
| 05:23.59 | linuxxr | 4 |
| 05:24.08 | linuxxr | doit |
| 05:24.09 | shpedoikal | chillywilly: haven't tried that :-) but this is the first working media player I've seen |
| 05:24.09 | chillywilly | shpedoikal: cause I couldn't tell which server was paging me from nagios ;P |
| 05:24.12 | linuxxr | 3 |
| 05:24.14 | nullpuppy | NOR flash can be used to recover bad NAND |
| 05:24.49 | chillywilly | NOR is the "oh crap I h0rked up the NAND u-boot" fall back ;) |
| 05:24.58 | chillywilly | right? |
| 05:25.15 | nullpuppy | pretty much |
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| 05:25.28 | nullpuppy | only way to fsck up NOR is w/ the debug board |
| 05:25.36 | chillywilly | I have one of those :) |
| 05:25.44 | nullpuppy | but then, you can use the debug board to unbrick anyways, so... |
| 05:26.06 | AntonTakk1 | clear |
| 05:26.09 | AntonTakk1 | oops |
| 05:26.14 | chillywilly | command not found |
| 05:26.25 | donomo | rtm: power makes the app quit :( |
| 05:26.45 | rtm | donomo: Have you installed gpsd? |
| 05:26.48 | chillywilly | so am I flashing to the NAND flash right now? |
| 05:26.52 | sontek | after I change /etc/pulse/session do I have to restart anything? |
| 05:27.19 | chillywilly | switching back to runtime mode |
| 05:27.26 | nullpuppy | chillywilly: should be... assuming you're just running dfu-util and just plugged in via usb |
| 05:27.35 | nullpuppy | not sure what you have to do offhand to flash NOR |
| 05:27.36 | chillywilly | booting :) |
| 05:28.03 | donomo | rtm: ps ax|grep gpsd -> gpsd /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 05:28.08 | chillywilly | hah, a pair of boots... |
| 05:28.12 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 05:28.17 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 05:28.29 | rtm | donomo: THen I'm afraid I don't know what the problem is. |
| 05:28.34 | donomo | rtm: k. thx anyways |
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| 05:28.47 | budfive | anybody here using a cingular/at&t sim in their freerunner? |
| 05:28.59 | donomo | budfive: tmobile here |
| 05:29.01 | rtm | donomo: Did you try turning on the GPS with the power button? |
| 05:29.06 | chillywilly | budfive: I am |
| 05:29.23 | chillywilly | I could make and receive calls with 2007.2 |
| 05:29.25 | nullpuppy | donomo: you could try opkg install gps-utils ; gpspipe -r 127.0.0.1 2972 (i think thats the correct port, theres info on doing that via the wiki...) |
| 05:29.37 | nullpuppy | that'll get you nmea info coming in through the gps |
| 05:29.55 | donomo | rtm: heyy. it was off. tried agps-test again. i hit power. the app exits |
| 05:30.06 | donomo | nullpuppy: cool i'll try it |
| 05:30.17 | AntonTakk1 | hopes the latest gtk image works for calls for him |
| 05:30.26 | budfive | do you have one of the "supported" sims from the wiki? |
| 05:30.37 | rtm | donomo: Oh, I thought you were using openmoko-agpsui . |
| 05:30.48 | nullpuppy | i used the 07/15 daily today. works well for the most part. making and recieving calls worked well. |
| 05:30.50 | donomo | rtm: i am |
| 05:30.50 | budfive | the los angeles group order got their freerunners today. At least half of the people there had sims that didn't work |
| 05:30.50 | AntonTakk1 | it doesn't have any data on non-pre-paid tmobile |
| 05:31.18 | shpedoikal | anyone know if the external buttons are supposed to light up? |
| 05:31.23 | nullpuppy | AntonTakk1: what doesn't have data on non-pre-paid tmobile? |
| 05:31.32 | nullpuppy | has tmobile thats not prepaid |
| 05:31.42 | sontek | I have t-mobile |
| 05:31.44 | chillywilly | the clock is kind of ugly |
| 05:31.47 | donomo | nullpuppy: gpspipe -r by it self is happily spewing out NMEA data. woot. |
| 05:31.54 | AntonTakk1 | nullpuppy: the supported sims list on the wiki |
| 05:31.56 | nullpuppy | donomo: woot, awesome ;) |
| 05:31.56 | sontek | its very ugly, and I prefer 12 hour instead of 24 hour |
| 05:32.04 | nullpuppy | AntonTakk1: ah, i'll shall update taht then |
| 05:32.10 | rtm | 2op "You could try loggin in via the USB network, and running openmoko-agpsui interactively, to see if any error message is emitted when the program terminates. |
| 05:32.13 | chillywilly | can I make it smaller? |
| 05:32.28 | donomo | nullpuppy: though none of the data looks like a lat/long. heh |
| 05:32.45 | nullpuppy | donomo: :( yeah, i got lots of crap like taht too. |
| 05:32.53 | nullpuppy | couldn't get a fix. |
| 05:33.15 | nullpuppy | i did disassemble it today though and reseated the gps antennae, the jack thingy itself looked fine. |
| 05:33.38 | AntonTakk1 | nullpuppy: i would assume so, i was able to nicely make a call twice, and i can do it ugly by keep hitting the dial button - thou it gives errors istead of indication of dialing |
| 05:33.46 | AntonTakk1 | and it registers with tmobile |
| 05:34.22 | AntonTakk1 | anyways, i just hope this image works for me |
| 05:34.28 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 05:34.29 | nullpuppy | me too |
| 05:34.39 | nullpuppy | i'm downloading fso right now to give it a shot. |
| 05:34.49 | AntonTakk1 | i would be extreemly happy at this point with contacts and reliable voice calls |
| 05:35.06 | nullpuppy | i do have one wierd issue poping up though, and this has happened with every package i've used, in that not all my sim contacts show up |
| 05:35.12 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 05:35.12 | AntonTakk1 | fso made the call for me - gave no indication thou |
| 05:35.15 | donomo | nullpuppy: are there docs for getting fso on a microSD card and can it boot right from the microSD card? |
| 05:35.37 | AntonTakk1 | but it had no audio |
| 05:35.48 | nullpuppy | donomo: no idea :( . i'm sure it can boot from the sd-card, not sure what you need to do offhand though |
| 05:36.01 | nullpuppy | i think it involves using the tar.bz2 images and copying stuff to it though |
| 05:36.07 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 05:36.10 | nullpuppy | AntonTakk1: sad :( |
| 05:36.19 | AntonTakk1 | very |
| 05:36.20 | donomo | nullpuppy: that would be ideal to have a uboot option for 2007.2/ASU/FSO |
| 05:36.40 | nullpuppy | nods |
| 05:36.51 | nullpuppy | you could probably do 2 without a problem, 3 i dunno |
| 05:37.42 | chillywilly | is there a way to exit out of an app without hitting the power button? |
| 05:37.51 | chillywilly | that seems to close the application |
| 05:37.58 | AntonTakk1 | chillywilly: 2007.2? |
| 05:37.59 | chillywilly | oh yea |
| 05:38.05 | chillywilly | use the menu in the upper left |
| 05:38.08 | chillywilly | nevermind |
| 05:38.23 | chillywilly | I have the latest snapshot |
| 05:38.25 | AntonTakk1 | go to the third tab at the bottom - the gears, highlight the app, and hit the trash can |
| 05:38.42 | chillywilly | that goes away when you are in some application usually |
| 05:38.44 | AntonTakk1 | oh |
| 05:38.58 | AntonTakk1 | you wanted to minimize it :) |
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| 05:40.05 | chillywilly | right |
| 05:40.15 | chillywilly | it seems the keypad is a little hokey |
| 05:40.38 | chillywilly | hitting uppercase letters and it writes out lowercase |
| 05:40.45 | AntonTakk1 | anyways, other than not working for me, the fso image looked nice |
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| 05:41.24 | chillywilly | well that's annoying |
| 05:41.30 | MadTBone | anyone have a preferred belt clip case for the freerunner? |
| 05:41.40 | nullpuppy | hm, all I *need* is the fso jffs2 file right? |
| 05:41.47 | nullpuppy | uImage/etc isn't needed? |
| 05:42.19 | chillywilly | arg, the kaypad is acting wonky |
| 05:42.30 | AntonTakk1 | nullpuppy: the boot for the fso uimage looked way different to me, might want to flash it just cause |
| 05:42.38 | AntonTakk1 | and it's tiny anyways |
| 05:42.47 | AntonTakk1 | er |
| 05:42.48 | nullpuppy | nods |
| 05:42.50 | AntonTakk1 | the uimage |
| 05:43.03 | nullpuppy | i suppose its not a bad idea. can always reflash to yesterdays/todays daily build |
| 05:43.19 | AntonTakk1 | exactly :) |
| 05:43.30 | chillywilly | no one else is experiencing screwy keypad behavior? |
| 05:43.31 | nullpuppy | and is there ever a reason to the grab the modules? |
| 05:43.41 | nullpuppy | i keep seeing the package there... |
| 05:43.44 | AntonTakk1 | nullpuppy: none I know of |
| 05:43.55 | Chox | holy crap, GPS started working |
| 05:44.03 | nullpuppy | Chox: woot! |
| 05:44.07 | nullpuppy | how long did it take? |
| 05:44.11 | Chox | no idea |
| 05:44.11 | nullpuppy | and were you outside? |
| 05:44.20 | Chox | just started tangoGPS and there it was |
| 05:44.22 | Chox | wuz inside |
| 05:44.26 | donomo | Chox: woot |
| 05:44.29 | chillywilly | guess it was my fat fingers |
| 05:44.29 | Chox | had tried earlier, but hm. |
| 05:44.41 | chillywilly | wish this thing had a built-in stylus |
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| 05:45.12 | ieatlint | the hope is to get the software so it doesn't need a stylus |
| 05:45.16 | nullpuppy | chillywilly: hehe, yeah, me too |
| 05:45.24 | nullpuppy | there needs to be a stylus holder in the damn shell |
| 05:45.25 | sontek | hey, after I change a ringtone in /etc/pulse/session, what do I need to reboot to be able to use the new ringtone? |
| 05:45.29 | ieatlint | that being said, i bought one of those invisibleshield things so that i can use pencils and such as a stylus, hehe |
| 05:45.35 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 05:45.38 | sontek | I don't wnat to restart the phone everytime I change ringtones :P |
| 05:45.44 | stephelton | hmmm my phone has ceased to register with the latest daily snapshot of the 2007.2 image \= |
| 05:45.45 | nullpuppy | where can you get the invisible shields? i need one |
| 05:45.55 | ieatlint | zagg.com |
| 05:45.57 | Chox | I don't want to pay everytime I change ringtones :p |
| 05:46.02 | nullpuppy | wrote on my screen earlier with the wrong part of my stylus laser pen :( |
| 05:46.03 | chillywilly | bounce the service |
| 05:46.13 | ieatlint | search the mailing list, there's a coupon for 20% off a zagg.com invisibleshield |
| 05:46.19 | AntonTakk1 | the daily builds stop for a long time at about 59% booted for anyone else? |
| 05:46.23 | AntonTakk1 | ah, there it went |
| 05:46.25 | AntonTakk1 | :) |
| 05:46.26 | nullpuppy | ieatlint: ooh, awesome |
| 05:46.34 | sontek | I made my own ringtone, I just need to be able to test it without restarting the phone |
| 05:46.41 | sontek | it doesn't get the change just from modifying that file |
| 05:46.43 | ieatlint | is like "pcworld20" i think ... you enter it at checkout |
| 05:46.45 | nullpuppy | AntonTakk1: worked fine for me. just atkes for freaking ever |
| 05:46.49 | nullpuppy | kk |
| 05:46.58 | chillywilly | restart pulse audio? |
| 05:47.00 | rtm | AntonTakk1: That's normal on the first boot after a reflash. |
| 05:47.15 | ozzloy | turns out i hit bug 666 |
| 05:47.16 | chillywilly | battery icon does not always change like it should |
| 05:47.23 | kd8ikt | i saw a nifty stylus link on the wiki |
| 05:47.24 | ozzloy | t-mobile sim card works fine |
| 05:47.30 | ozzloy | i made a phone call! |
| 05:47.33 | chillywilly | kd8ikt: where? |
| 05:48.06 | kd8ikt | http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Stylus_Alternatives |
| 05:48.17 | MadTBone | hmm....just flashed with asu.... trying to boot... getting pages upon pages of "Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0X00000000" .... I assume that this isn't good |
| 05:48.27 | nullpuppy | you can get finger stylus thingies |
| 05:48.36 | nullpuppy | roommates have them for their ds's |
| 05:48.44 | kd8ikt | yeah they seem to be everywhere |
| 05:48.44 | Chox | enough! |
| 05:48.49 | chillywilly | takes a long time for the battery indicator to switch states |
| 05:48.54 | sontek | chillywilly: I tried /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart but then I have no sound :) |
| 05:49.06 | chillywilly | pass start? |
| 05:49.07 | kd8ikt | can prolly make one out of about anything |
| 05:49.23 | nullpuppy | and the ones they have aren;t the ones on the wiki :) |
| 05:49.27 | nullpuppy | looks for an image |
| 05:49.27 | ieatlint | sontek, now restart alsa? |
| 05:49.31 | kd8ikt | just dont use a metal needle |
| 05:50.52 | sontek | ieatlint: /etc/init.d/alsa-start restart ? |
| 05:50.59 | chillywilly | well you'd think they could issue a new bottom cover with a slot for a stylus since the thing just pops right off |
| 05:51.05 | sontek | ieatlint: after doing those, now when I open media player I get 'gstreamer error: resource not found' |
| 05:51.05 | nullpuppy | http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Finger-Tip-Stylus-Pack/dp/B0007XS250/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1216187432&sr=8-2 |
| 05:51.17 | nullpuppy | that looks pretty close |
| 05:51.20 | sontek | or maybe its complaining about a file |
| 05:51.53 | mmontour | MadTBone: check that you used the right version of the image (gta01 or gta02) |
| 05:52.19 | sontek | ieatlint: yeah, 'gstreamer error: you do not have a decoder installed to handle htis file' |
| 05:52.35 | sontek | oh, weird |
| 05:52.39 | sontek | it can't play my .wav files |
| 05:53.07 | AntonTakk1 | noooo :( same error as on recommended 2007.2 image :( |
| 05:53.15 | sontek | It says it needs a wav decoder to play the file |
| 05:53.21 | sontek | but the current ringtones are wavs |
| 05:53.57 | MadTBone | mmontour: it's the right version. I didn't flash the tar.gz though ... only the jffs2 |
| 05:53.58 | kd8ikt | isnt the stylus that comes with it like a laser aswell? |
| 05:54.05 | sontek | I have no idea what its trying to do then, I gave it a wav and it can't play it as a ringtone |
| 05:54.06 | kd8ikt | or pen |
| 05:54.11 | sontek | so I tried giving it an mp3 and it can't do that either |
| 05:54.22 | sontek | kd8ikt: its a laser, led, and pen |
| 05:54.30 | sontek | kd8ikt: its pretty silly |
| 05:54.32 | kd8ikt | thats sooo pimp |
| 05:54.39 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 05:54.45 | kd8ikt | a bit overkill though |
| 05:54.48 | MadTBone | mmontour: is there a method to force a reset? |
| 05:54.53 | nullpuppy | yeah, its pretty awesome. too top heavy though |
| 05:55.13 | mmontour | Disconnect power and remove the battery |
| 05:55.34 | kd8ikt | swap the laser with a high speed dvd burners laser to light cigarettes |
| 05:55.47 | kd8ikt | and burn people |
| 05:56.01 | mmontour | the .tar.gz file is only needed if you're putting the rootfs onto the SD card |
| 05:56.21 | kd8ikt | where else could it go? |
| 05:56.39 | donomo | great post on the 3 different stacks 2007.2/ASU/FSO: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
| 05:56.48 | nullpuppy | kd8ikt: haha, excellent idea |
| 05:57.08 | kd8ikt | get the attention of that hoty across the room |
| 05:57.22 | kd8ikt | catch her hair on fire |
| 05:57.36 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 05:57.43 | donomo | sontek: its that pen a riot? i'll never use it. |
| 05:58.05 | chillywilly | so the lastest ASU snapshot is unstable? |
| 05:58.15 | sontek | anyone know what type of codec the moko needs for its ring tone? I looked and all current ringtones are .wav, so I converted an mp3 to .wav (mpg123 -w file.wav song.mp3) but the moko can't play it, says I need a wav decoder |
| 05:58.18 | donomo | laser/light/pen/stylus in-one |
| 05:58.25 | sontek | if it doesn't have a wav decoder, how is it playing the other ring tones? |
| 05:58.42 | kd8ikt | could be a raw dsp wav |
| 05:58.49 | kd8ikt | or somethin |
| 05:58.53 | donomo | sontek: id look at the bitrate/etc of an existing wav |
| 05:58.55 | nullpuppy | sontek: do you have the original ringtone? |
| 05:59.06 | nullpuppy | run it through file, whats its actual files type? |
| 05:59.19 | donomo | sontek: where are the ringtones kept? |
| 05:59.31 | MadTBone | mmontour: hmm....went through my bash history....I accidentally flashed the tar.gz instead of jffs2 ... :( |
| 05:59.33 | sontek | donomo: you define them in /etc/pulse/session |
| 05:59.57 | nullpuppy | MadTBone: whoops |
| 05:59.59 | kd8ikt | i want an sms notification tone that plays uhura "message from starfleet capt" |
| 06:00.23 | nullpuppy | haha, thatd be awesome |
| 06:00.24 | kd8ikt | i'm gonna make a whole startrek like theme |
| 06:00.32 | donomo | ha |
| 06:00.46 | donomo | sontek: ah i see it. the stock sounds are in /usr/share/openmoko/sounds |
| 06:00.48 | kd8ikt | did you know most of the sound fx in bzflag are startrek sounds |
| 06:00.53 | nullpuppy | yeah, if i could make it stable with all startrek themes, i could probably get a couple friends to get one ;) |
| 06:01.28 | sontek | http://rafb.net/p/uFnpaD18.html |
| 06:01.31 | sontek | file sees them as the same |
| 06:01.47 | nullpuppy | hrm |
| 06:01.51 | AntonTakk1 | kd8ikt: I used to have one for text messages from nagios at work that played the chorus of (rem's ??) "It's The End Of The World As We Know It" :) |
| 06:02.03 | donomo | sontek: i see. that's odd. |
| 06:02.51 | AntonTakk1 | i wonder if it really could be my sim card |
| 06:03.46 | nullpuppy | Demo Only! Feature Not Implemented Yet |
| 06:03.49 | nullpuppy | haha, thats awesome. |
| 06:05.04 | sontek | I wonder if there is a way to get the ring tone app to just use gstreamer to play ringtones |
| 06:05.07 | sontek | that way I could use mp3s |
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| 06:07.24 | nullpuppy | AntonTakk1: i've got your same problem with fso. no audio :/ |
| 06:07.31 | nullpuppy | its sooo pretty though |
| 06:07.39 | nullpuppy | MUCH nicer than 2007.2 or ASU |
| 06:07.52 | AntonTakk1 | yep |
| 06:08.07 | AntonTakk1 | if only there was audio i'd be using fso right now |
| 06:08.10 | ieatlint | i love the signal/battery metres too |
| 06:08.14 | ieatlint | i'm tired of bars, damnit |
| 06:08.21 | AntonTakk1 | but i need it to make calls *AND* have audio |
| 06:08.30 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 06:08.34 | ieatlint | i had audio with mine |
| 06:08.35 | nullpuppy | i kind of want/need sms too |
| 06:08.40 | ieatlint | i tried calling out |
| 06:08.49 | ieatlint | i keep calling 611 to test things... hehe |
| 06:09.03 | nullpuppy | i called myself |
| 06:09.17 | AntonTakk1 | flashing asu should finish any second now |
| 06:09.25 | nullpuppy | awesome |
| 06:09.35 | nullpuppy | i wasn't happy with ASU, couldn't get anything to launch |
| 06:09.51 | AntonTakk1 | hrm |
| 06:10.56 | chillywilly | considers ASU |
| 06:11.20 | walrustown | has anyone successfully cross-compiled an openmoko app from Debian Etch? |
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| 06:11.32 | nullpuppy | i did grab the openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 file though, not the big long one |
| 06:11.43 | nullpuppy | file sizes were the same though, assuming its the same thing |
| 06:12.18 | chillywilly | it looked like it was to me |
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| 06:12.28 | chillywilly | I grabbef the longer one so I would know wtf it is |
| 06:12.34 | chillywilly | grabbed too |
| 06:12.52 | nullpuppy | k. do you have both of them now then? |
| 06:13.01 | nullpuppy | could md5sum them, or diff |
| 06:13.07 | nullpuppy | would tell us then ;) |
| 06:13.24 | chillywilly | no, I don't have both |
| 06:13.31 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 06:13.42 | nullpuppy | you have the long one though right? |
| 06:14.00 | nullpuppy | 961a43a1a26c15522fe08612ad5605fa openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 06:14.08 | nullpuppy | (md5sum |
| 06:14.19 | chillywilly | yes |
| 06:14.26 | nullpuppy | kk |
| 06:14.43 | chillywilly | 397fb66ba4782d52dda2225834165871 Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080715-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 06:14.58 | chillywilly | well that's interesting... |
| 06:15.02 | nullpuppy | whoops |
| 06:15.05 | nullpuppy | wrong image |
| 06:15.05 | ieatlint | the first one is 2007.2 |
| 06:15.09 | AntonTakk1 | asu makes calls for me! WOO |
| 06:15.10 | nullpuppy | 163db408daa6fc2fa16fe5b1b6f0bed3 openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 06:15.14 | ieatlint | ok, hah |
| 06:15.16 | nullpuppy | still different though |
| 06:15.16 | chillywilly | blah ;P |
| 06:15.16 | nullpuppy | hmmm |
| 06:15.29 | nullpuppy | grabs |
| 06:15.41 | chillywilly | AntonTakk1: latest snapshot? |
| 06:15.56 | AntonTakk1 | yes |
| 06:16.07 | chillywilly | I saw someone mention some command to issue in order to fix the audio issues |
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| 06:16.35 | chillywilly | I don't recall though |
| 06:16.47 | chillywilly | I wonder if I should try the ASU |
| 06:16.58 | chillywilly | anyone try qtopia.net image? |
| 06:16.58 | nullpuppy | i think i'm gonna try it again |
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| 06:17.42 | nullpuppy | i haven't |
| 06:19.07 | chillywilly | that might not be too bad of an option if you want software that is a bit more polished |
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| 06:20.11 | chillywilly | the trolls don't like direct external link to the images |
| 06:21.57 | vpv | nullpuppy: I tried it yesterday, it's really nice compared to 2007.2 (not to complain here or anything, but still) |
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| 06:24.49 | nullpuppy | vpv: the ASU daily? |
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| 06:25.32 | vpv | nullpuppy: nope, the qtopia.net upstream image |
| 06:25.35 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mail 07stable * ra7c50bf8b24b 10/fs/ext2/ext2fs.c: PATCH-fix-data-abort-from-sd-ombug799.patch.eml |
| 06:25.36 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mail 07stable * rba029a1426bf 10/drivers/misc/pcf50606.c: This patch changes rtc_get() to return an int. Without this change |
| 06:25.36 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 06:25.37 | ecraven | morning |
| 06:25.51 | ecraven | do we have a patched kernel for 2007.2 yet? |
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| 06:26.14 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mail 07andy * ra7c50bf8b24b 10/fs/ext2/ext2fs.c: PATCH-fix-data-abort-from-sd-ombug799.patch.eml |
| 06:26.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mail 07andy * rba029a1426bf 10/drivers/misc/pcf50606.c: This patch changes rtc_get() to return an int. Without this change |
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| 06:26.24 | chillywilly | well, my phone won't turn on now |
| 06:26.38 | chillywilly | not sure why |
| 06:26.43 | admiral0 | hello... any news about the hw-fix on the freerunner regarding GPS and SD? |
| 06:27.18 | roh | admiral0 nothing final yet. tests about sw and hw first need to complete |
| 06:27.29 | chillywilly | well this sucks |
| 06:28.11 | admiral0 | roh: are we in a phase of testing the solution? |
| 06:28.37 | roh | admiral0 given that its 3 days and a weekend since the discovery and less than a day since we know its related to sd i think om is quite fast |
| 06:28.59 | chillywilly | wth... |
| 06:29.12 | roh | admiral0: different possible things need to be tried.. are you into hw? then i could explain |
| 06:29.14 | walrustown | ieatlint: you mentioned last night that you had built a GTK app... did you build it for openmoko? |
| 06:29.18 | nullpuppy | awesome, i can't grab the qtopia.net image it looks like |
| 06:29.28 | chillywilly | there it goes |
| 06:29.44 | ieatlint | pygtk app... no compiling |
| 06:29.45 | chillywilly | go to the main site and search for gta02 |
| 06:29.49 | AntonTakk1 | welp, seems I have a working phone now |
| 06:29.50 | nullpuppy | nevermind, there we go |
| 06:29.52 | AntonTakk1 | night all |
| 06:29.58 | walrustown | ieatlint: ok, thx |
| 06:30.15 | roh | chillywilly sometimes 5 secs seem quite long to power-on |
| 06:30.39 | chillywilly | I suppose :P |
| 06:30.50 | roh | make sure you press power some 5-7 seconds. the red led below the aux key blinks shortly, then hold another second |
| 06:31.09 | chillywilly | it's booting now |
| 06:31.18 | trix | for some reason i can't ssh into my FR anymore; the blank password no longer works |
| 06:31.24 | chillywilly | but I'll have to do it again as I want to flash ASU |
| 06:32.03 | admiral0 | roh:no i am just a dumb rookie programmer ^^ |
| 06:32.13 | walrustown | so what's this deal with GPS and SD? |
| 06:32.21 | walrustown | is that on the wiki somewhere? |
| 06:33.17 | admiral0 | walrustown: the GPS has poor signal when there is a microsd plugged in |
| 06:33.37 | chillywilly | flashes ASU |
| 06:33.48 | walrustown | dag nabbit |
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| 06:34.47 | admiral0 | hope the hw fix that hw team is working on will be simple & efficient |
| 06:36.22 | ieatlint | walrustown, you're trying to set up a cross-compiling environment? |
| 06:36.41 | ieatlint | i just tried myself... weird results |
| 06:36.43 | walrustown | ieatlint: yeah, I want to be able to compile c++ code |
| 06:36.47 | walrustown | ieatlint: what OS? |
| 06:37.03 | roh | admiral0: then the short answer: seems the sdcard clock is the source of some rf noise which makes gps less sensitive in the end. (very rough description) .. to fix it there are different possibilities of rf-blocking parts/part combintions. |
| 06:37.04 | ieatlint | gentoo |
| 06:37.08 | ieatlint | i built the compiler |
| 06:37.11 | walrustown | ieatlint: are you going off of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 06:37.22 | ieatlint | compiled a c app consisting off of "printf("hello world\n");" |
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| 06:37.29 | ieatlint | when i execute it.. |
| 06:37.36 | ieatlint | root@om-gta02:~# ./hello |
| 06:37.36 | ieatlint | -sh: ./hello: not found |
| 06:37.43 | ieatlint | root@om-gta02:~# file hello |
| 06:37.43 | ieatlint | hello: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1, for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 06:37.57 | mmontour | trix: I saw that too, on an openmoko-devel-image that I built for my gta01 today. I don't know why. |
| 06:38.11 | walrustown | ieatlint: ldd ./hello |
| 06:38.35 | ieatlint | ldd isn't on my freerunner, heh |
| 06:38.38 | walrustown | ieatlint: err, I guess you'd have to do that on the host box |
| 06:38.39 | walrustown | yeah doh |
| 06:38.50 | trix | mmontour, it was like that after putting my gateway/local nameserver in resolv.conf. trying to remove it now. annoying. |
| 06:38.55 | walrustown | usually when I've seen that "not found" it means there's a missing lib |
| 06:39.18 | roh | admiral0 to find the right value for parts one needs to measure and experiment a bit. which takes time... besides that there is work going on to disable the clock when not needed (also saves power) aswell as to look if it makes sense to cchange the clock frequeny for the sdcard to something which doesnt interfer with the gps so badly |
| 06:39.34 | trix | i set the password from the handset to something simple and it still denies me |
| 06:39.48 | admiral0 | roh: thank you |
| 06:39.53 | ieatlint | no effect, walrustown |
| 06:40.13 | nullpuppy | vpv: oh, btw, hows the batterylife with the qtopia.net images? |
| 06:40.26 | walrustown | ieatlint: yeah, I guess you'd need the arm ldd |
| 06:40.49 | vpv | nullpuppy: I haven't tested them for battery life, when I use the phone it's mostly connected with USB anyway ;) |
| 06:41.01 | nullpuppy | hehe, alright :) |
| 06:41.14 | walrustown | ieatlint: and you're not passing any wacky -l options then? |
| 06:41.27 | nullpuppy | got the expected ~6hrs w/ 2007.2 today |
| 06:41.30 | ieatlint | nope |
| 06:41.37 | vpv | it does suspend and wake up, but the 'black' parts of the screen have some sort of weird garbage after wakeup... |
| 06:41.42 | ieatlint | about as simplistic as it gets, gcc -o hello hello.c |
| 06:41.50 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 06:42.09 | vpv | if you get those to redraw, it'll be ok |
| 06:42.09 | walrustown | ieatlint: hrm, sucky |
| 06:42.28 | ikjh | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain is quite confusing. What does "System Integration" and "customizing a distribution" mean? |
| 06:43.12 | walrustown | I just ignored that section |
| 06:43.45 | trix | how do you make a "/" on the keyboard of the default OS |
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| 06:43.58 | trix | *keypad |
| 06:44.12 | nullpuppy | install the matchbox keyboard |
| 06:44.33 | ieatlint | i think i set up my toolchain wrong |
| 06:44.44 | ieatlint | used gnu instead of gnueabl |
| 06:44.45 | trix | i'm locked out of it oddly enough |
| 06:44.51 | sontek | I tried the matchbox keyboard but it had a bug, 9 was typing ] |
| 06:45.28 | nullpuppy | sontek: yeah, i had that problem for a bit today |
| 06:45.35 | nullpuppy | at some point,it magically fixed itself |
| 06:46.15 | trix | any way to troubleshoot incoming ssh connections on the FR's terminal? |
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| 06:47.06 | ieatlint | rebuilding the toolchain... |
| 06:47.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0e6002b3435c 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko-asu-feed] Remove diversity-nav from asu-feed. |
| 06:49.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r3b8b493f3664 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko-asu-feed] Bump up PR of asu-feed to force rebuild |
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| 06:52.34 | netx303 | trix: i believe 3 quick taps on the 0 key will give a slash, but i can't test that right now |
| 06:52.47 | trix | netx303: thanks |
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| 06:53.03 | netx303 | as for ssh, can you use -vvv when you ssh in? |
| 06:53.26 | trix | i had verbosity up yeah |
| 06:53.42 | trix | turns out i'd set the usb host to .202 instead of .200 by mistake |
| 06:54.07 | trix | in ifcfg-usb0 |
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| 06:55.21 | ikjh | Is there any way to have screensaver that does not lock the screen? There is a menu alternative for it, but choosing it locks the screen anyway. |
| 06:56.00 | swc|666 | i'm confused... where do i add a uboot entry on the FR? I'm trying to boot debian arm off of the sd |
| 06:56.41 | ieatlint | there needs to be a boot block on the sd, and you simply tell it to boot from the sd as i understand |
| 06:57.21 | mmontour | swc|666: add a menu item as a u-boot environment variable |
| 06:57.38 | swc|666 | yeah but my sd card has only 1 partition - ext2, and the bootloader gives me only the option for fat + ext2 (a 2 partitioned card) |
| 06:58.16 | kd8ikt | bleh fat |
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| 06:58.40 | ieatlint | fat serves it purpose quite well |
| 06:58.47 | kd8ikt | and whats that |
| 06:58.48 | ieatlint | simplistic, universal, reliable, and relatively fast |
| 06:59.24 | mmontour | There's a bug in the shipped version of u-boot that means you can't load the kernel from an ext2 filesystem. It should be possible to load the kernel from NAND and then mount the rootfs from the SD (worked on GTA01 but I don't have a Freerunner to test it there) |
| 06:59.34 | chillywilly | I don't care for the ASU stuff that much at all |
| 07:00.28 | swc|666 | u-boot environment variable... k <searching> |
| 07:00.46 | ieatlint | yay, i gots cross-compiling working |
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| 07:02.43 | swc|666 | mmontour no problem |
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| 07:03.26 | Sebastian | is happy that he finally gets a GPS fix :) |
| 07:03.50 | goodwill | ok, does anyone know how to disable the clicky sound? |
| 07:03.58 | chillywilly | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ <-- Is that 2007.2? |
| 07:04.03 | goodwill | yeah |
| 07:04.31 | chillywilly | hmmm, both interfaces feel clunky |
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| 07:04.35 | mmontour | swc|666: note that your kernel needs to have built-in support (not a module) for the root filesystem. ext2 and ext3 are different filesystems here, and some kernels only have ext3 built in. |
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| 07:05.29 | swc|666 | mmontour i built it by hand |
| 07:05.53 | swc|666 | but thanx :) |
| 07:08.36 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:10.41 | goodwill | hmmm |
| 07:10.50 | goodwill | why does it say gllin |
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| 07:10.55 | goodwill | I thought gllin was neo |
| 07:10.58 | goodwill | not FR |
| 07:13.04 | goodwill | hmmm can not get gps lock |
| 07:13.10 | goodwill | micro sd is nto installed |
| 07:13.18 | goodwill | so that should not be blocking it |
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| 07:15.46 | Psi | heh, found a weird error in calculator, says "error, convert_chann, Beam requ" and takes up half the display window |
| 07:16.13 | alphabeat | sounds like a feature to me |
| 07:16.16 | Psi | heh |
| 07:16.22 | alphabeat | :P |
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| 07:17.38 | Psi | do 1 / 0 = (so you get the inf sign), then press x then + then = and then press the sign key 6 times |
| 07:17.59 | alphabeat | easter egg? |
| 07:18.04 | Psi | na |
| 07:18.06 | swc|666 | wow... i like the bootloader |
| 07:18.08 | mmontour | goodwill: gllin is Neo1973-only. Make sure that ther program you're using is reading from /dev/ttySAC1 not /tmp/nmeaNP |
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| 07:22.54 | nullpuppy | ok, qtopia.net is pretty decent. no sms thouhg :/ got mms, but it won't send |
| 07:23.40 | kd8ikt | http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/communicator.mp3 |
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| 07:26.24 | ieatlint | stupid environment insisting it needs glibc ... :P |
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| 07:27.53 | goodwill | mmontour: I believe it is |
| 07:28.04 | goodwill | hmmm openmoko-mediaplayer2 is not playing an avi |
| 07:28.09 | goodwill | anyone gotten it to work? |
| 07:28.15 | Psi | nope |
| 07:28.31 | Psi | well, not me |
| 07:30.58 | Psi | there's a commandline mplayer build that plays stuff |
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| 07:34.16 | kd8ikt | lolz http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Openmoko_Ringtones_and_Sounds#StarTrek |
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| 07:35.29 | nullpuppy | ok. correction. got txt's to send. working fairly nicely too |
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| 07:37.41 | chris_chung37822 | hello everyone i am openmoko intern student :) |
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| 07:38.11 | alphabeat | how goes it? |
| 07:39.25 | admiral0 | nullpuppy:? correction for the bug involving GPS? |
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| 07:41.46 | nullpuppy | admiral0: no, playing with qtopia.net's images for the fr |
| 07:41.51 | nullpuppy | haven't used gps on it yet |
| 07:42.00 | nullpuppy | gps on 2007.2 has been fruitless :/ |
| 07:43.32 | goodwill | ok, I got mplayer to play a clip |
| 07:43.38 | goodwill | excpet its streteched and no sound |
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| 07:45.23 | BlackFog | 'morning |
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| 07:49.40 | goodwill | Dave: ping |
| 07:49.50 | goodwill | Dave: any instraction on that matchobox keyboard install? |
| 07:51.14 | marcinsoo | has anyone tried Plantronics Pulsar 260 bluetooth headset ??? |
| 07:52.08 | ieatlint | what do the extra question marks signify? |
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| 07:57.51 | Guilt | i have decided to cancel my ordr |
| 07:58.03 | Guilt | apparently the motherfuckers at the airport wont let it go |
| 07:58.08 | HauDyrArb | ieatlint, nothing a few exclamation marks cant fix !!! |
| 07:58.12 | Guilt | and the IDA systems guy isnt trying hard enough |
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| 07:58.29 | Guilt | and everybody at openmoko says it is not their problem |
| 07:59.05 | alphabeat | Guilt: IDA? |
| 08:00.31 | ecraven | how can i convert tangogps .log files so i can upload them to openstreetmaps? |
| 08:00.58 | ieatlint | take a look at sed? :P |
| 08:02.01 | roh | Guilt IDA the indian distributor? |
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| 08:06.20 | Guilt | yes. |
| 08:06.47 | Guilt | i am sending an email to support@ list, steve, harry & ida that i'm cancelling it if i dont recv in 2 days |
| 08:07.01 | Guilt | and i may never buy one again. and whoever doesnt want to take the risk, cancel their order too. |
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| 08:08.11 | tessier | Wow, looks like the GPS problems have been identified and a fix is in the works. Very nice. |
| 08:08.27 | Derick | and a software fix at that! |
| 08:08.36 | tessier | admiral0: gps fix coming soon |
| 08:09.06 | Psi | if only they could fix the keyboard |
| 08:09.07 | marcinsoo | what's wrong with GPS ? |
| 08:09.25 | marcinsoo | heh, what's wrong with keyboard ? |
| 08:09.29 | alphabeat | marcinsoo: missed out on the mailing list today eh? ;) |
| 08:09.39 | alphabeat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
| 08:09.44 | admiral0 | nullpuppy: and? what do you think about those images? |
| 08:09.50 | marcinsoo | yes i've missed |
| 08:09.57 | marcinsoo | thx |
| 08:10.01 | Psi | marcinsoo: you try typing console commands on it |
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| 08:11.22 | admiral0 | tessier:thank you for info |
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| 08:12.19 | HauDyrArb | alphabeat, that could explain why i dont have any problems with my gps, i havent added my sd card yet |
| 08:12.35 | alphabeat | probably HauDyrArb |
| 08:12.49 | alphabeat | a lot of people said that had massive gains removing the card |
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| 08:14.42 | ecraven | how can i enter a / on the normal 2007.2 keyboard? |
| 08:15.54 | TeNoVi | ecraven: I don't think you can :S |
| 08:15.57 | Psi | ^ |
| 08:16.02 | Psi | hence the problem with it |
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| 08:17.04 | marcinsoo | so basically my new freerunner who is flying now to me has bad solder ?! or only few ammount of freerunner have that problem ? |
| 08:18.15 | ieatlint | yeah, turns out the solder is lead based, so do not lick it... them chinese and lead |
| 08:18.36 | Guilt | ;p |
| 08:18.40 | Psi | heh |
| 08:19.22 | Guilt | this sucks. that IDA guy has put in rs 10 lakh (50 phones), |
| 08:19.29 | Guilt | or so he says ;p |
| 08:19.39 | ieatlint | where are you? |
| 08:19.49 | Guilt | i am in Bangalore, India |
| 08:20.05 | Guilt | so i asked if i could complain to CVC (vigilance, anti corruption) |
| 08:20.14 | Guilt | but he says everybody's phones will get tied up then. |
| 08:20.39 | Guilt | he tried contacting UPS because they friggin decided to sent by cargo |
| 08:20.45 | Guilt | and not courier |
| 08:20.45 | ieatlint | got to love red tape |
| 08:20.53 | Guilt | probably to cut costs. |
| 08:20.56 | Guilt | those cheap bastards |
| 08:21.01 | Guilt | and who hired UPS? Openmoko |
| 08:21.23 | Guilt | ;p eventually the root cause points to Openmoko. if there was ever a class action suit, not sure who'd be in trouble |
| 08:21.30 | ieatlint | yeah, i'm no ups fan myself, and i don't have to deal with customs |
| 08:21.37 | Guilt | IDA, UPS or Openmoko? |
| 08:22.16 | Guilt | ieatlint: good for you. do you know the person who deals with it? |
| 08:22.31 | ieatlint | ultimately, you |
| 08:22.43 | Guilt | i dont have to deal with customs, UPS has to |
| 08:22.48 | Guilt | and they arent doing anything anyway |
| 08:23.27 | Guilt | and Zoheb is at least trying to do something, he tells me |
| 08:23.31 | kd8ikt | i heard from my cousin that china uses lead in a certian paint colors |
| 08:23.34 | ieatlint | US customs has never bothered any imports i've done, happily |
| 08:23.37 | Guilt | coz if he doesnt, i'll be pretty pissed off |
| 08:23.57 | Derick | norway stinks... have to 50usd on import tax for a 150usd shipment |
| 08:24.14 | Derick | so that's why the openmoko goes to germany and I pick it up there |
| 08:24.22 | Derick | saves me 70⬠|
| 08:24.24 | ieatlint | Derick, if it makes you feel better, i paid $34 in tax |
| 08:24.37 | kd8ikt | whoa |
| 08:24.56 | kd8ikt | lint did you hear my trek sounds? |
| 08:25.09 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Openmoko_Ringtones_and_Sounds#StarTrek |
| 08:25.14 | ieatlint | i'm afraid to say no... :P |
| 08:25.28 | kd8ikt | i'll just keep posting the link till you do |
| 08:25.28 | Guilt | i'm paying $3k (80$) in tax |
| 08:25.37 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 08:25.53 | ieatlint | $3k USD for 1 phone? |
| 08:25.54 | Guilt | i meant, 3k INR (80$) |
| 08:26.00 | ieatlint | oh, ok, hehe |
| 08:26.14 | ieatlint | because... yay, get a plane ticket to guam, it'd be cheaper |
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| 08:26.32 | Guilt | it's lesser. dollar prices shot? a total of $465 in taxes, shipping and cost |
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| 08:27.01 | Guilt | that's what google tells me |
| 08:27.03 | kd8ikt | i was looking for a neat RF specificlly cellular band interference snds for a possible ringtone |
| 08:27.03 | ieatlint | that's not bad |
| 08:27.17 | ieatlint | i paid $441 including taxes and shipping |
| 08:27.32 | Guilt | hmm |
| 08:27.55 | kd8ikt | wow i feel bad for you i'll end up paying 380 somethin pluss gas to drive 4 hrs to pick it up |
| 08:28.22 | admiral0 | i've paid 297⬠|
| 08:28.32 | admiral0 | all included |
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| 08:28.35 | Psi | ive paid $0 i didnt order one |
| 08:28.46 | Ghiottone | morning |
| 08:28.46 | admiral0 | Psi:^^ |
| 08:28.52 | Derick | kd8ikt: I have to fly to germany ;-) |
| 08:29.01 | marcinsoo | i've paid 350 Euro |
| 08:29.06 | Ghiottone | CM, hey :) |
| 08:29.15 | Psi | im happy to play with my gta01 until the software is stable enough to use as an everyday phone |
| 08:29.21 | Psi | then ill get one |
| 08:29.28 | Psi | gta02/03 i mean |
| 08:29.36 | admiral0 | marcinsoo:pulster? handheld-linux? |
| 08:29.51 | marcinsoo | I order from France |
| 08:29.57 | admiral0 | me too |
| 08:30.09 | kd8ikt | i heard it was already a pretty stable everyday phone, except battery life |
| 08:30.21 | Psi | heh, who told you that |
| 08:30.30 | tessier | It still does a lot of kooky things |
| 08:30.56 | tessier | For example right now mine has gone into sleep mode now and I can't wait it up. |
| 08:30.56 | ieatlint | yeah, it has a lot of work left to do |
| 08:31.03 | Psi | it only takes small bugs to make it unusable as your everyday phone |
| 08:31.04 | tessier | That happens often it seems |
| 08:31.06 | kd8ikt | i dunno i get mine possibly tomorrow night |
| 08:31.24 | tessier | And when it is working the apps seem rather slow and get behind |
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| 08:32.24 | ieatlint | i hear openmoko has a room full of monkeys hard at work working these things |
| 08:32.39 | marcinsoo | heh |
| 08:32.42 | kd8ikt | RFC monkey protocol |
| 08:33.31 | trickie | goodwill: to get mplayer to play sound i had to stop pulseaudio |
| 08:33.46 | kd8ikt | or continue flashing images created by /dev/urandom untill you find one that works |
| 08:33.51 | Psi | some of the slowness is due to the fact that the code isnt optimized yet and things are generating lots of debug messages to help developers fix bugs |
| 08:34.23 | kd8ikt | mplayer should be able to use pulseaudio |
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| 08:35.54 | ikjh | Why is neod constantly burning 15% cpu? |
| 08:36.08 | marcinsoo | what about playing mpeg, avi ? |
| 08:36.20 | ikjh | That can't be good for battery life. |
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| 08:37.09 | Psi | marcinsoo: all depends what kind of bitrate/res the mpeg,avi is |
| 08:37.16 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4528 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (libopkg/opkg.c libopkg/opkg.h tests/libopkg_test.c): opkg: adding repository check function |
| 08:37.18 | marcinsoo | i see |
| 08:40.37 | Guilt | the UPS says "NEW DELHI, IN 30/06/2008 16:08 POWER OF ATTORNEY DOCUMENTATION IS MISSING AND IS REQUIRED FOR CLEARANCE " |
| 08:40.49 | Guilt | that's BAD, right? it's Openmoko's fault, then? |
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| 08:41.53 | HauDyrArb | doh! |
| 08:41.56 | Psi | why would they need power of attorney documentation |
| 08:42.24 | kd8ikt | wtf |
| 08:42.53 | trix | when it crashes do you have to take out the battery if holding either button doesnt do anything? |
| 08:43.04 | Guilt | idk. i've emailed steve and haryr |
| 08:43.21 | Guilt | i'm not sure what. but one of the people involved are going to big trouble |
| 08:43.48 | Guilt | if it's the customs officials, i don |
| 08:43.59 | Guilt | 't care what, i'm going to CVC if they hold down all phones |
| 08:44.00 | trickie | kd8ikt: when i tried mplayer with pulseaudio running, mplayer could never open the audio device |
| 08:44.12 | Guilt | the customs officer will be put in Jail big time. |
| 08:44.19 | trickie | kd8ikt: i didn't try very hard to fix it though, just killed off pulse :) |
| 08:44.33 | Psi | actually i wonder, did the people/person who's having this problem try to order the freerunner to a postal address that's different to the address on the credit card they used to order it |
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| 08:46.44 | Psi | ive heard that causes problems in general |
| 08:48.01 | Guilt | Psi? |
| 08:48.07 | Guilt | the IDA guy? |
| 08:48.27 | Psi | i dunno, ive not really been following the conversation on the problem |
| 08:48.53 | Psi | was just a thought |
| 08:49.30 | Guilt | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-July/000063.html |
| 08:50.05 | Guilt | and i've got a pvt mail from zoheb he got from UPS. and a couple others which i sent to steve. if you want, pm me and i will forward them to you |
| 08:50.28 | Guilt | and this is the UPS tracking number he gave me: H787 7605 103 |
| 08:51.49 | Psi | power of attorney is an odd thing for them to require |
| 08:52.09 | kd8ikt | wow that sucks |
| 08:53.38 | Psi | ^ |
| 08:53.50 | kd8ikt | evidently that form/doc is needed for anything passing customs |
| 08:54.02 | kd8ikt | wich is new to me |
| 08:54.12 | Psi | yeah, that doesnt sound right |
| 08:54.41 | kd8ikt | i guess its so they can open it up and investimigate it |
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| 08:56.19 | kd8ikt | i know my fam biz here in USA gets products from china in huge trailer/containers and every so box is opened and resealed with the customs tape and one/two items missing |
| 08:56.31 | kd8ikt | bastards! |
| 08:58.44 | Guilt | SHIT |
| 08:58.51 | tessier | shits |
| 08:58.53 | tessier | Now what? |
| 08:58.58 | Guilt | yeah. i was saying. bastards |
| 08:59.05 | Guilt | motherfuckers |
| 08:59.20 | Guilt | more swearing but let's limit it to a few good ones |
| 08:59.24 | kd8ikt | so i feel for you customs arseturds are jerks |
| 08:59.35 | Guilt | yeah, pretty much |
| 08:59.53 | kd8ikt | i bet they get mass money from smuggling drugs |
| 09:00.06 | Guilt | let them do their diuty but harassing their citizens isnt part of it |
| 09:00.15 | kd8ikt | them and the military |
| 09:00.18 | Guilt | i bet they actually encourage druggies but discourage normal people |
| 09:00.32 | Guilt | because the deal on drugs is too much |
| 09:00.49 | kd8ikt | cause military planes do wtf they please |
| 09:00.55 | Guilt | here is something i read over google.. the last customs officer who was arrested had amassed $1b. |
| 09:01.00 | Guilt | $, not INT |
| 09:01.03 | Guilt | INR* |
| 09:01.45 | Guilt | so, 1 billion USD is what that guy had when he was caught |
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| 09:03.06 | kwk | Hello. Can anybody tell me if the touch display of the FreeRunner is also included in the Dboard? |
| 09:03.36 | kd8ikt | ... the dboard has nothing to do with the touchscreen |
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| 09:04.25 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 09:04.33 | Guilt | it isa jTAG board, basically |
| 09:04.40 | Guilt | kwk: google for jtag |
| 09:04.48 | kd8ikt | he left after i said that |
| 09:05.16 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4529 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/ (result/thumbnail.eet source/maps_diversity-maps-paris.png): adding new thumbnail |
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| 09:05.27 | Guilt | :o |
| 09:07.41 | kd8ikt | maybe abraxa_knows him they practicly have the same hostmask |
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| 09:08.48 | kd8ikt | that a german isp? |
| 09:09.08 | Derick | yes, and a really big one |
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| 09:19.00 | swc|666 | how do i delete menu items in the bootloaders env variables? |
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| 09:22.21 | ball_licker | man thats one bad moko |
| 09:22.48 | ball_licker | http://wiwi.openmyass.org |
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| 09:24.08 | HauDyrArb | troll |
| 09:29.06 | methril | ey!! something about the dboard |
| 09:29.14 | methril | someone used it for other devices? |
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| 09:38.28 | Guilt | methril: sure, as long as those chips support jtag |
| 09:38.42 | methril | ok, thanks Guilt |
| 09:38.48 | Guilt | for that matter, you could also use a cheaper jtag board :-) |
| 09:39.04 | Guilt | just make sure you get the pins right. :-) |
| 09:39.06 | methril | i have a jtag |
| 09:39.15 | methril | JTAG-key |
| 09:39.43 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb00bd478c6bd 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): ogsmd: add (C) indicating the original source of the channel initialisation and overall concept |
| 09:40.11 | methril | it's only because i was thinking to get it, but as i have a JTAG, maybe i'm not going to order (when they have 900 again, and i have some money :)) |
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| 09:41.06 | leinir | Ha! Surprised? i think not ;) http://digg.com/mods/Google_s_Android_platform_not_so_open_after_all |
| 09:41.31 | Guilt | i've written a blog entry on google android too |
| 09:41.39 | Guilt | i'd like comments because i'm a publicity whore ;) |
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| 09:41.46 | Guilt | http;//karmaking.blogspot.com |
| 09:42.47 | methril | s/http;//karmaking.blogspot.com /http://karmaking.blogspot.com |
| 09:42.53 | methril | you put a ; not a : |
| 09:42.55 | methril | :) |
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| 09:47.10 | leinir | really hopes lpotter's employer's legal team pull their collective backsides together soon wrt qtopia 4.4 ;) |
| 09:47.58 | Robot101 | get used to that legal team being really, really slow. :D |
| 09:48.51 | swc|666 | so booting from sd "isn't" possibe on the FR? |
| 09:49.02 | leinir | Robot101: Yeah, i know :) Still sucks ;) |
| 09:49.21 | swc|666 | that is, booting an ext2 or ext3 partition |
| 09:49.25 | swc|666 | ? |
| 09:51.06 | methril | why not? |
| 09:52.25 | swc|666 | aparently this has something of reevance? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021524.html |
| 09:52.27 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r6d450d606a07 10/ (test/test.py tests/test.py): Moved test.py into test directory |
| 09:52.27 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r947110575632 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git@git.freesmartphone.org/framework |
| 09:52.31 | swc|666 | relevance* |
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| 09:53.55 | swc|666 | i can't figure it out |
| 09:54.22 | swc|666 | been trying to boot from sd on the FR for a few hours now to no avail |
| 09:54.42 | swc|666 | it cant find my root partition |
| 09:54.58 | Ainulindale | mickey|lunch: Just so I know, what is the current level of implementation of basic telephony stuff in FSO dbus api ? Can we do everything we can do with phone-kit ? |
| 09:55.52 | mickey|lunch | it's lightyears ahead |
| 09:56.00 | mickey|lunch | so, the answer is: 'yes, i think so' |
| 09:56.09 | mickey|lunch | or at least hope so ;) |
| 09:56.13 | mickey|lunch | until you prove me wrong |
| 09:56.53 | Ainulindale | I won't prove you wrong, you're my god. Don't you mind ? :-) |
| 09:57.01 | mickey|lunch | heh ;) |
| 09:57.06 | mickey|lunch | too much the honor |
| 09:57.10 | mickey|lunch | mere mortal |
| 09:57.10 | Ainulindale | mickey|lunch: By the way, we have a working and compiling package for SHR openmoko-dialer3 |
| 09:57.16 | mickey|lunch | awesome! |
| 09:57.17 | Ainulindale | I did a bunch of basic stuff in C |
| 09:57.19 | mickey|lunch | where? |
| 09:57.20 | Ainulindale | dbus bindings and such |
| 09:57.24 | Ainulindale | If I'm motivated enough |
| 09:57.27 | swc|666 | and why also is it that when i get two different sets of bootloader menus on the FR when I unplug/plug back in the power? sometimes its the default and sometimes its the one that has my modified boot entries??? |
| 09:57.31 | Ainulindale | I think the basic dbus stuff will be ended by sunday |
| 09:57.38 | mickey|lunch | excellent. |
| 09:57.41 | Ainulindale | So we may be able to come with a working UI for sunday |
| 09:57.48 | Ainulindale | mickey|lunch: (SHR repo) |
| 09:57.51 | mickey|lunch | swc|666: sounds like you are sometimes seeing the NOR menu and sometimes the NAND |
| 09:57.56 | mickey|lunch | Ainulindale: ok, cool |
| 09:57.57 | swc|666 | ahhhh |
| 09:58.13 | Ainulindale | mickey|lunch: so the second thing to do is to be able to run matchbox/today2 on FSO |
| 09:58.21 | Ainulindale | mickey|lunch: though, we will ship with the current PIM |
| 09:58.26 | mickey|lunch | righto |
| 09:58.32 | Ainulindale | As I told people before, I can't use a distro without PIM, I need my contacts |
| 09:58.37 | Ainulindale | (I use the FR as a phone) |
| 09:58.57 | swc|666 | mickey|lunch: is there some way to dictate which one loads (NOR menu / NAND menu)? |
| 09:58.59 | Ainulindale | mickey|lunch: Oh, and what about i18n ? |
| 09:59.06 | swc|666 | seems random to me |
| 09:59.11 | Ainulindale | mickey|lunch: Current PIM strips out my accents on SMSes |
| 09:59.12 | mickey|lunch | swc|666: depends on the sequence of holding the AUX button. more details in the wiki |
| 10:00.01 | mickey|lunch | Ainulindale: ogsmd should behave a bit better in that regards, although we're not parsing in PDU mode (which enables all kinds of charsets) |
| 10:00.13 | mickey|lunch | [yet] |
| 10:00.25 | Ainulindale | Ok :-) |
| 10:00.30 | Ainulindale | Hope you will soon |
| 10:00.37 | Ainulindale | After all you need i18n as much as me |
| 10:00.49 | mickey|lunch | *nod* |
| 10:00.55 | mickey|lunch | ogsmd sees my Umlaute in SMSes |
| 10:01.01 | mickey|lunch | so at least that already works |
| 10:01.12 | Ainulindale | Right now phone-kit doesn't see every accent |
| 10:01.15 | mickey|lunch | we're parsing w/ iso-8859-1 atm. |
| 10:01.16 | Ainulindale | And it adds a FF00 in the end |
| 10:02.47 | swc|666 | so when i write boot entries should i be writin them to the NOR or NAND? |
| 10:03.28 | ayeuu | vpv: tried with neocon too; and in NAND mode for me (sorry for beeing late) |
| 10:03.46 | swc|666 | apologizes for being a n00b, i'm just spoiled in my time with Haret / HTC /iPaq |
| 10:03.58 | mickey|lunch | NAND, since NOR is the emergency loader |
| 10:04.03 | ayeuu | swc|666: NAND, NOR is write protected |
| 10:04.11 | swc|666 | kk |
| 10:04.14 | zathras_laptop | what's the best way to stay in touch with development? mailing lists? |
| 10:04.44 | Ainulindale | zathras_laptop: that and being in mickey|lunch's pants |
| 10:05.05 | zathras_laptop | Ainulindale, i'll take your word for the latter ;-) |
| 10:05.09 | zathras_laptop | which lists? |
| 10:06.26 | Ainulindale | devel@ ? :-) |
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| 10:13.43 | vpv | ayeuu: no problem, I mistakenly tried to use NOR all the time until I figured it out. I've now made a small tutorial about it: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Vpv/Booting_Qtopia |
| 10:14.18 | Guilt | bbl :-) |
| 10:14.26 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3a10d67687be 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (modems/abstract/mediator.py objects.py): ogsmd: add 'name' parameter as result in org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetHomeZones() -> a(siii) |
| 10:14.34 | ayeuu | vpv: nice |
| 10:15.02 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * ra21409678d64 10/otapi/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: add name parameter to org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetHomeZones() -> a(siii) |
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| 10:34.49 | Elleo | swc|666: as far as I'm aware you should only make changes to the NAND, the NOR is there as a last resort for unbricking if you screw up the NAND |
| 10:35.12 | Elleo | oops, was scrolled up, didn't realise that'd already been answered |
| 10:35.22 | swc|666 | Elleo: i figured as much.. .thanx anyway ;) |
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| 10:35.35 | swc|666 | i'm having problems though with my boot args |
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| 10:44.23 | JOSF | I was talking the other day about the (non Minimo) Mozilla mobile effort. Here is some status report about it: http://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2008/06/30/aboutmobile-our-first-issue-fennec-m4-available-mobile-network-profiling-tool-and-more/ |
| 10:44.28 | JOSF | (just for the curious) |
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| 10:48.46 | ieatlint | thanks... interesting |
| 10:49.29 | ieatlint | i'm impressed M4 is already out, i thought the project was still organising |
| 10:52.52 | swc|666 | are the kernels in the daily builds for the FR built with ext2/ext3 support? |
| 10:54.21 | ieatlint | /lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/fs/ext2/ext2.ko ... i don't see an ext3 |
| 10:54.30 | ieatlint | could be compiled in, but if ext2 isn't, i doubt it |
| 10:55.07 | balrog-kun | try cat /proc/filesystems |
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| 10:55.27 | swc|666 | i meant actually regarding booting from sd |
| 10:55.28 | ieatlint | it is listed |
| 10:55.35 | ieatlint | ext3 i guess is compiled in |
| 10:56.34 | ieatlint | i would assume so |
| 10:56.52 | swc|666 | hmm |
| 10:56.59 | ieatlint | did you look at the wiki? i imagine this would be the same for the neo1973 |
| 10:57.18 | swc|666 | yeah most everything there is for the neo1973 |
| 10:59.36 | Elleo | swc|666: I'm still waiting for mine to arrive, so don't have first hand experience, but from what other people have said in the past I believe uboot requires a FAT boot partition on the SD |
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| 11:00.29 | swc|666 | Elleo: that would make sense... the closest i've come to booting into the SD is when i took the approach of having the kernel on the FAT partition |
| 11:00.47 | vpv | FAT for the kernel as the forst partition, ext3 for the rootfilesystem as the second and then modify NAND u-boot to use ext3 instead of ext2. |
| 11:00.50 | swc|666 | then it gets to the ext2 partition and kernel panic |
| 11:00.56 | vpv | s/forst/first/ |
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| 11:01.14 | swc|666 | ahhhhhh.... so ext3 then |
| 11:01.21 | swc|666 | growls |
| 11:02.08 | IXian-probe | does gstreamer support http streaming yet? |
| 11:02.09 | swc|666 | then, should my boot entry look like this? |
| 11:02.14 | swc|666 | menu_9 Boot from SD (FAT+ext3): setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ex3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit; fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x32000000 |
| 11:02.37 | swc|666 | ext3* |
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| 11:03.11 | IXian-probe | ie, opkg repository gstreamer ^_^ |
| 11:03.13 | vpv | probably something like that, yes, I can't check the ML posts right now |
| 11:03.36 | swc|666 | we'll see... |
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| 11:18.13 | balrog-kun | wooo the WLAN card is a mips |
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| 11:20.42 | kd8ikt | glade a gtk+ visual IDE? |
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| 11:21.26 | mjr | no, it's a gui builder |
| 11:22.30 | kd8ikt | but it can make gtk+ windows right? |
| 11:22.55 | mjr | yes |
| 11:23.04 | mjr | that's what gui builders do |
| 11:23.14 | mjr | well, gtk+ ones anyway |
| 11:23.22 | mjr | it doesn't do much else, hence it's not an IDE |
| 11:23.52 | Derick | i got confused... is the FR GUI based on GTK or Qt? |
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| 11:24.22 | kd8ikt | http://www.gtk.org/screenshots.html |
| 11:24.28 | kd8ikt | love how they have a pick of the moko |
| 11:24.32 | kd8ikt | pic* |
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| 11:25.56 | mjr | Derick, the default is gtk. ASU will use qtopia for telephony apps. What happens after that, anybody's guess. |
| 11:26.22 | mjr | oh and the SHR project is trying to integrate the FSO backend with the 2007.2 gtk frontend telephony apps |
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| 11:28.11 | Derick | mjr: so if I'd were to make an app... GTK would still be ok? I don't see why there should be two supported things :/ |
| 11:28.21 | mjr | it would |
| 11:28.37 | mjr | oh yeah, and the apps openmoko themselves will do seem to be efl ones :] |
| 11:29.01 | mjr | anyway, seems there is not "one toolkit to rule them all" for openmoko |
| 11:29.12 | Derick | then I have to figure out how to actually run those apps in qemu... I can only seem to boot GTA01 with it, and then the UI doesn't even react to anything :/ |
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| 11:30.15 | mjr | well, you can mostly develop just compiling for x86 especially if you're not doing anything phone-related |
| 11:30.49 | Derick | i know, it just want to make sure it compiles for openmoko too.. and how it'd look like |
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| 11:31.19 | swc|666 | w00t! that did it |
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| 11:31.45 | kd8ikt | does iwconfig ath0 essid any work? (for connecting to closest open net? |
| 11:32.54 | saurabh1403 | hello everyone |
| 11:33.14 | saurabh1403 | actually i got a problem in running qemu using Mokomakefile |
| 11:33.42 | saurabh1403 | I build qemu using makefile, but as said it is loading the old buggy ASU image |
| 11:34.17 | saurabh1403 | i replaced the images in images/openmoko/...... by the latest images of gta02 |
| 11:34.37 | saurabh1403 | but while running make flash-qemu-official, it is showing the error |
| 11:35.27 | Hoolxi | hi, is there any music player for neo freerunner? |
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| 11:36.30 | IXian-probe | Hoolxi: mplayer and openmoko media player. |
| 11:36.52 | IXian-probe | Hoolxi: mplayer handles streaming, I'm not sure if mediaplayer handles them (yet) |
| 11:36.56 | saurabh1403 | has anyone recently tried to build qemu using makefile |
| 11:36.58 | saurabh1403 | ?? |
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| 11:37.35 | IXian-probe | Hoolxi: I'm listening to a shoutcast stream on my freerunner now.. streamed from my desktop computers alsa output so I will even hear IM logon messages etc. ^_^ |
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| 11:38.18 | Hoolxi | IXian-probe, sounds great |
| 11:38.37 | IXian-probe | Hoolxi: do don't expect a gui on mplayer though. |
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| 11:38.57 | Hoolxi | IXian-probe, console mode would be fine, |
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| 11:40.13 | Tig| | kd8ikt, wifi is eth0 on the freerunner |
| 11:41.06 | Hoolxi | IXian-probe, in fact , i installed mpg321, but didn't work, something was not configured well with my sound card (maybe alsa) |
| 11:41.13 | kd8ikt | oh well does "any" for essid auto find open AP's ? |
| 11:41.32 | kd8ikt | i know this laptops atheros card does that |
| 11:42.40 | Tig| | kd8ikt, I would think so but have not tried it |
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| 11:43.56 | kd8ikt | w00t just discovered a new function system( (echo now i can use shell cmds neato); |
| 11:44.44 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc77b82db589d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion of opkg to 4528 |
| 11:44.44 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9d3f26e4d1d4 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 195 |
| 11:44.45 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8921a03bbab2 10/packages/openmoko-projects/assassin_svn.bb: [assassin] Remove curl in DEPENDS of assassin |
| 11:44.46 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r89bbfd943eee 10/packages/packagekit/ (files/repository-ping.patch packagekit_git.bb): [packagekit] Add a patch to packagekit. |
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| 11:44.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r34b00e86ee26 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin-thumbnail] Bump up the reversion of assassin-thumbnail to 4529 |
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| 11:48.23 | Tig| | kd8ikt, that would be php? |
| 11:49.03 | ieatlint | it's also python in the os context ... "os.system()" |
| 11:50.40 | kd8ikt | works with C too i think or is it C++ dunno but gcc compiled it just fine |
| 11:51.05 | ieatlint | yep |
| 11:51.05 | kd8ikt | http://nixcraft.com/coding-general/189-using-shell-commands-c.html |
| 11:52.05 | kd8ikt | i was just thinking in programming, like if i wanted to make a frontend to the iw-tools |
| 11:52.21 | ieatlint | then you'd want popen, not system |
| 11:52.22 | kd8ikt | isnt their already one? |
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| 11:53.08 | kd8ikt | like gnomes wireless applet |
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| 11:54.00 | kd8ikt | just click on the wifi icon and it shows u the detected AP's/signal strength |
| 11:54.27 | kd8ikt | omg i cant wait 2 more days then i can see for myself |
| 11:54.39 | kd8ikt | suspense is killin me |
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| 11:55.32 | kd8ikt | i remember checking openmoko's site atleast once a week since the 1973 came out (well after they sold out) |
| 11:56.04 | gromez | kd8ikt: wicd is a kind of frontend for wireless-tools |
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| 11:57.44 | kd8ikt | cant say i like the look of that |
| 11:59.05 | kd8ikt | i was thinking more along the lines of ubuntu's use of nm-applet |
| 11:59.43 | Sargun | How is call audio handled? |
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| 12:00.02 | Sargun | does it flow through the processor, Gsmd? |
| 12:01.57 | ieatlint | i don't think so |
| 12:02.09 | kd8ikt | gromez: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ doesnt that look more appealing then that wicd junk? |
| 12:02.15 | swc|666 | http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2384/dscn1961yk3.jpg |
| 12:02.26 | ieatlint | wouldn't surprise me if the modem had its own speaker/mic pins to the soundcard and show up as different lines |
| 12:02.40 | kd8ikt | xfce |
| 12:02.50 | swc|666 | ;) |
| 12:03.02 | ieatlint | very nice swc |
| 12:03.11 | swc|666 | thanks |
| 12:03.23 | swc|666 | now maybe i can sleep (5:03am) |
| 12:03.38 | ieatlint | hah, where are you? |
| 12:03.44 | swc|666 | seattle, wa |
| 12:03.48 | swc|666 | u? |
| 12:03.54 | ieatlint | down in san fran :P |
| 12:04.01 | swc|666 | ahhh... nice |
| 12:04.19 | swc|666 | there seems to be a lot of openmoko ppl in sfo area |
| 12:04.23 | ieatlint | i'm stuck trying to cross compile coreutils for arm with little success |
| 12:04.42 | swc|666 | using bitbake? |
| 12:05.50 | ieatlint | nope |
| 12:05.53 | ieatlint | using gentoo |
| 12:06.03 | ieatlint | and its package system |
| 12:06.22 | swc|666 | hmm |
| 12:06.28 | ieatlint | trying to recompile bluez with alsa support so i can use a bluetooth headset |
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| 12:06.52 | swc|666 | ouch |
| 12:06.58 | ieatlint | problem is that the makefile in coreutils verifies it did a good job by trying to run programs it compiled in weird ways |
| 12:07.05 | ieatlint | obviously, being compiled for arm, this fails |
| 12:07.30 | Derick | so fix the makefile :) |
| 12:07.32 | swc|666 | hmmm |
| 12:07.56 | ieatlint | i'm trying to do it more eloquintly :P |
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| 12:08.01 | kd8ikt | is that debian that you installed on it 666? |
| 12:08.08 | gromez | kd8ikt: but you must have gnome to get network manager, wicd have no gnome dependencies |
| 12:08.14 | XorA | ieatlint: something wrong with bitbake bluez-utils-alsa ??? |
| 12:08.26 | ieatlint | with gentoo, to add arm cross compiling, i only had to type "crossdev -t arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi" |
| 12:08.30 | XorA | ieatlint: or if you are a Makefile user make bluez-utils-alsa |
| 12:08.44 | admiral0 | hi... can you explain what's this about http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP? |
| 12:08.50 | kd8ikt | eh who says ya need gnome its GTK so if you have the libs if not i'll emulate it with my own app |
| 12:09.03 | ieatlint | XorA, yeah, i don't want to sully my system with environments and packages that can't be uninstalled |
| 12:09.11 | XorA | ieatlint: then use OE |
| 12:09.27 | ieatlint | i'd rather stick with gentoo |
| 12:09.31 | XorA | a simple rm -rf will remove it |
| 12:09.40 | ieatlint | i can could hack the makefile with it just as easily |
| 12:10.03 | ieatlint | but i'm trying not to do hacks, i'm trying to work out a patch, since this isn't a me-specific thing |
| 12:10.25 | sitwon | admiral0: there is a design issue in the FR that causes the GPS to have difficulty receving a signal if the SD card is inserted. AFAIK the soldering advice in that article is unnecessary |
| 12:11.06 | admiral0 | sitwon: thanks... i heard that there will be a sw solution ... |
| 12:11.32 | kd8ikt | probably disable any sd card polling while using gps |
| 12:11.49 | XorA | basically thats it |
| 12:11.51 | kd8ikt | dunno why that would mess it up |
| 12:11.55 | XorA | SD clock is always on |
| 12:12.05 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * re0cd30e3eb04 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [pyefl-sudoku] Add Python EFL sudoku. |
| 12:12.11 | XorA | and looks like it puts RF interference into GPS system |
| 12:12.14 | kd8ikt | figure there is enough bandwidth for both if not be intensly used |
| 12:12.20 | XorA | but SD cards dont need clock to be always on |
| 12:12.21 | kd8ikt | oh |
| 12:12.33 | XorA | git andy branch has a patch to fix that for people to try |
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| 12:14.59 | Wander_w | shutting down the SD clock sounds like that will save battery power as well |
| 12:16.03 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r3e097ab77652 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [pyefl-sudoku] Add pyefl-sudoku into Openmoko Feed |
| 12:16.03 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r7c186f02ef30 10/conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc: [pyefl-sudoku] Set AUTOREV for pyefl-sudoku |
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| 12:16.25 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd70b83daf1bb 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): add directory for implementation docs |
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| 12:18.42 | XorA | Wander_w: yes it should |
| 12:19.56 | Wander_w | double advantage then: working GPS and more battery |
| 12:24.15 | Openfree | i failed to install openmoko mediaplayer, because it require libfreetype6(2.3.6), but the latest is 2.3.5-r3 |
| 12:24.28 | Openfree | quite odd |
| 12:25.47 | Openfree | how does opkg caculate the dependency? |
| 12:26.08 | kd8ikt | i dont hink it currently does |
| 12:27.42 | Morge | kd8ikt: It is not a bandwidth problem, it is the SD clock signal that gives a lot of noise. It seems to interfere with the GPS signal. The SD card reader is very close to the GPS module. |
| 12:27.46 | kd8ikt | i'll show it again for those that missed it the first time http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/Freerunner/Packages <-- openmoko's | a sane ipk package list ---> http://downloads.openwrt.org/kamikaze/packages/armeb/Packages |
| 12:28.14 | kd8ikt | gotcha Morge |
| 12:28.30 | kd8ikt | that really sucks |
| 12:28.58 | kd8ikt | need to drop a faraday cage in it? |
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| 12:30.18 | Morge | The software fix will sort of fix the problem, but the clock will need to be enabled whenever you read or write to the SD card. This means that depending on the ammount of data, the GPS will have interference and poor reception sometimes. Short reading bursts, like for playing MP3 or such, could possibly work our, but if you are using your gps while writing your mp3 collection to the phone, the GPS will suffer. |
| 12:31.13 | HauDyrArb | Morge, thats something to take into account when GTA03 is build |
| 12:31.32 | Sargun | hm. |
| 12:31.36 | Morge | kd8ikt: That would be a solution. Maybe low-pass filtering the clock signal would work as well. The sqare pulses generate a lot of interference. |
| 12:31.45 | Sargun | When is the GTA03 planned? |
| 12:31.54 | HauDyrArb | dunno |
| 12:32.01 | Morge | HauDyrArb: Yes, it would. I am not woking for FIC though, I am just making educated guesses =) |
| 12:32.07 | kd8ikt | think thats possible?? |
| 12:32.43 | Sargun | Anyone here work for FIC? |
| 12:34.20 | kd8ikt | ohhcause the antenna is nodoubt connected straight to the chip having nothing to do with the bus |
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| 12:35.29 | kd8ikt | i dont know if software can fix it |
| 12:35.44 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra23b5faaf0c1 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): ogsmd: start with ezx samples |
| 12:35.59 | ecraven | raster: hey ;) |
| 12:36.44 | raster | ecraven: moo |
| 12:37.14 | ecraven | raster: thanks for the pointers about evas, but i believe the callbacks will create *lots* of problems, the interface doesn't look as if it would port well to Scheme |
| 12:37.37 | raster | canyt help there |
| 12:37.43 | raster | i'm a C man |
| 12:37.46 | raster | do it in C |
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| 12:37.50 | raster | or... well... don't do it |
| 12:37.51 | raster | :) |
| 12:38.00 | raster | that's my world anyway |
| 12:38.01 | raster | :) |
| 12:38.16 | raster | there are python bindings for evas etc. |
| 12:38.19 | raster | tho i never use them |
| 12:38.22 | raster | didnt write them |
| 12:38.31 | raster | someone did lua bindings |
| 12:38.35 | raster | and ruby ones too |
| 12:38.41 | raster | so scheme is possible |
| 12:38.49 | raster | but it might not be a minimal effort |
| 12:39.49 | kd8ikt | truthfully i dont think i care a lot in gps always running/sampling for acceleration stats etc but to be able to grab single points here and there |
| 12:40.10 | Rakshasa | Nice work on enlightenment btw. It's Almost usable on gta01 =) |
| 12:40.22 | kd8ikt | so.. if that "turn off the sd card" trick works i'd be happy |
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| 12:42.55 | Sargun_screen | if someone wanted to write a voicemail program for the openmoko, how would they go about it? |
| 12:43.25 | Sargun_screen | s/openmoko/neo freerunner/ |
| 12:44.10 | Sargun_screen | I've looked at the gsmd interface, but it doesn't mention where the actual voicestream goes |
| 12:45.02 | mmontour | analog audio to/from the WM8753 chip. You can route this audio through the ADC/DACs with appropriate alsamixer settings |
| 12:46.15 | kd8ikt | that'd be cool i disbaled my phones voice mail cause its lame and takes forever to call a VMB |
| 12:46.42 | kd8ikt | called my service provider up and was like "get it out of here" :P dont want it l) |
| 12:47.01 | Sargun_screen | o does the audioo (normally) flow from the gsm board (analog) to the WM chip which takes it to the samsung processor |
| 12:47.35 | Sargun_screen | and then from there it goes out to tthe WM chip back through the speakers? |
| 12:47.56 | mmontour | normally the audio doesn't touch the CPU - it's analog between the mic/speaker, WM8753, and the GSM chipset |
| 12:47.58 | raster | Rakshasa: e17 itself or e + illume + config? |
| 12:48.08 | kd8ikt | my dad had this crazy habit of talking to it like i could hear it (old in home tape voice mails) "hello!? pickup your phone! get up its morning! we have plans remember!?" |
| 12:48.15 | Sargun_screen | or by default does audio go through as a passthrough? |
| 12:48.21 | mmontour | See the "Neo1973 Audio Subsystem" wiki page |
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| 12:57.11 | Sargun_screen | hm openmoko got slashdotted. what about allowing people to backorder? |
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| 12:59.36 | Sargun_screen | is openmoko hardware profitable for FIC? |
| 12:59.55 | gmaxwell | Sargun_screen, It sold out? |
| 13:00.18 | gmaxwell | oh sure enough.. well the july 25th projected date isn't bad |
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| 13:10.39 | ebbe | Can someone mail me the newest tangoGPS? As I'm not able to download it right now. DNS is f*ed :/ |
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| 13:11.22 | ebbe | Or send cia irc |
| 13:11.22 | shyam_k | hi i just thought about this.. openmoko has its hardwares made using cad softwares which are free softwares? |
| 13:12.25 | shyam_k | then it means there is enough softwares to replace every proprietary softwares thats used in an electronics engineering course.. |
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| 13:12.39 | kdub | is there a way to put up a compilation toolchain on the phone? |
| 13:12.59 | kdub | easy way :P |
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| 13:15.28 | budfive | the free cad tools are not particularly good |
| 13:15.28 | ebbe | Don't bother.. got it through http://www.theproxyfree.com/ |
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| 13:18.49 | kuzgun | how can disable sanity checks while using bitbake to make a package? |
| 13:19.26 | HauDyrArb | #include<insanity> |
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| 13:19.44 | zedstar | kdub should be possible but not sure it worth it....i had a toolchain running on my zaurus a while back which was ok for same compiles |
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| 13:21.13 | kdub | zedstar: yeah, i dont really want to put the effort in, i was just hoping for a package |
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| 13:23.57 | kuzgun | HauDyrArb: #include <insanity> ?? |
| 13:24.13 | HauDyrArb | its a joke |
| 13:24.42 | kuzgun | really? |
| 13:24.48 | kuzgun | is thinking on that |
| 13:24.51 | HauDyrArb | rly |
| 13:25.18 | mmontour | kdub: you can "opkg install" the stuff you need (make, gcc, binutils, etc). I don't know if there's any virtual package that will automatically pull in the commonly-needed tools. |
| 13:26.04 | Rakshasa | raster: I was just testing the e17. What's this illume thing then? |
| 13:26.11 | kd8ikt | or install em onto nfs |
| 13:26.19 | macdonalder | doc|home: has left seattle ;) |
| 13:26.44 | macdonalder | (bound for miami no doubt :P) |
| 13:27.43 | Rakshasa | raster: Found it, sorry. |
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| 13:30.27 | kdub | mmontour: i'm really just trying to get any way to compile running, the cross compiling doesnt seem to be working |
| 13:32.29 | zedstar | kdub: u tried mokomakefile to build the tools? |
| 13:33.34 | kdub | i'm following what is said here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 13:34.00 | awesomo4k | does the wiki have the iptables NAT command you'd need to share your inet connection from your computer so the phone can route through it |
| 13:34.24 | kdub | it compiles the sample project, but when i copy the binary over it doesnt execute |
| 13:34.56 | Ainulindale | awesomo4k: and the echo for IP forward |
| 13:35.04 | zedstar | kbud when u do file on the binary what it say? |
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| 13:35.14 | awesomo4k | Ainulindale: yeah... is that up somewhere ? |
| 13:35.35 | Ainulindale | Yephttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 13:35.45 | Ainulindale | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking <= sorry for the 'Yep' |
| 13:36.14 | awesomo4k | tanks |
| 13:36.31 | kdub | hrm, elf, it looks like it was compiled for x86 :/ |
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| 13:37.31 | Derick | kdub: don't forget to run the setup-env script |
| 13:38.37 | zedstar | yeh sounds like it didnt run the cross gcc |
| 13:39.09 | Derick | derick@kossu:/usr/local/vmware/openmoko-dev/openmoko-sample2$ file ./src/.libs/openmoko-sample |
| 13:39.12 | Derick | ./src/.libs/openmoko-sample: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 13:39.16 | Derick | is what it should say |
| 13:39.19 | Derick | (on the host) |
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| 13:43.29 | kdub | ah, there we go. i ran setup-env, rebooted between then and now |
| 13:43.42 | AntonTakk | anyone know how to change the ring tone in ASU? |
| 13:44.48 | kdub | thanks Derick and zedstar |
| 13:44.59 | AntonTakk | or at least make it vibrate only? |
| 13:46.35 | DPThought | Did anyone test if SD has some influence on gps on gta01? It can certainly be not much. But i have the feeling it could have improved when i tested without sd. Does anyone have numbers? Would be cool to boost the sensibility just a little bit more |
| 13:46.57 | kdub | more questions, where is the source to things like openmoko-mediaplayer? |
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| 13:49.01 | mmontour | DPThought: SpeedEvil tried it yesterday and didn't see any significant difference. I'm planning to test it too but I haven't had time yet. |
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| 13:50.27 | DPThought | mmontour: thx |
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| 13:50.43 | *** topic/#openmoko by Laibsch -> Buy Freerunner at http://openmoko.com/ or linked distributors. | Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | Software means it's _NOT_ a stable phone, even for the expert user. This will change as more is developed. | #openmoko-cdevel for community dev efforts | GPS problems: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021774.html |
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| 13:50.49 | Laibsch | spelling mistake |
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| 13:51.45 | kdub | what is the brunt of development aimed at? (qtopia, fso, shr, 2007.2) ? |
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| 13:52.39 | leinir | kdub: asu :) |
| 13:52.52 | leinir | (which you might mistakenly be calling qtopia :) ) |
| 13:53.10 | kdub | is confused |
| 13:53.33 | HdR | does the freerunner only need any resistor between the ID pin and ground or need it a 47K ohm resistor, to recognize that it can be load with 1A? |
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| 13:54.20 | SpeedEvil | DPThought: I tested several things using both the internal and external antenna. |
| 13:54.25 | mjr | afaik it's gotta be around 47k, but not sure |
| 13:54.39 | leinir | kdub: can you specify your confusion a touch? :) |
| 13:55.06 | SpeedEvil | DPThought: GTA01 reports signal strengths in th range 13-32 or so |
| 13:55.07 | HdR | it isn't possible to tell the freerunner via software that it can be load with 1A, or is it? |
| 13:55.11 | SpeedEvil | HdR: yes |
| 13:55.24 | SpeedEvil | echo fast_cccv >/sys/somewhere |
| 13:55.39 | awesomo4k | http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Complete_QWERTY_Keyboard_On_The_Freerunner |
| 13:55.52 | awesomo4k | fails on a virgin FR |
| 13:55.56 | SpeedEvil | DPThought: any effect of mplayer an mp3, or reading writing the SD at 3M/second is under 1 unit |
| 13:55.59 | HdR | SpeedEvil: i tried echo "fast" >/sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode, but it didn't work |
| 13:56.01 | mjr | it's software controllable (though is fast_cccv nowadays 1A or just 500mA?) |
| 13:56.16 | awesomo4k | # opkg install /tmp/matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod_0.0\+svnr1910-r10_armv4t.ipk |
| 13:56.16 | awesomo4k | Installing matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod (0.0+svnr1910-r10) to root... |
| 13:56.16 | awesomo4k | Nothing to be done |
| 13:56.16 | awesomo4k | An error ocurred, return value: 1. |
| 13:56.16 | awesomo4k | Collected errors: |
| 13:56.17 | awesomo4k | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod: |
| 13:56.17 | SpeedEvil | mjr: I'm unsure actually. |
| 13:56.19 | awesomo4k | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.25 | HdR | SpeedEvil: cause cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode results "fast" if connected to the om charger |
| 13:57.12 | kdub | leinir: basically, i want to help program, but dont know what to throw my weight behind :P. |
| 13:57.31 | leinir | Ah, well that would be FSO :) |
| 13:58.09 | leinir | OpenMoko (the company) is backing the ASU, but the person writing the ASU is going to move to FSO once the ASU stack is out the door ;) |
| 13:58.15 | mjr | HdR, well. May be that the driver doesn't do it yet, but it should be software controlled anyway. Or then it wants echo -n (which I've found to be the case at least before with some sys thingies, unrelated to OM) |
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| 13:59.28 | mmontour | The Freerunner has a different /sys node to control charger current |
| 13:59.29 | SpeedEvil | mjr: owing to the whole not having a freerunner thing :) |
| 13:59.29 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: ah |
| 13:59.30 | mmontour | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-July/003761.html |
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| 13:59.32 | HdR | mjr: ok doesn't work either, but thank you anyway |
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| 14:00.56 | kdub | leinir: ahh, ok. i'm just trying to get my bearings for the project. specifically, id like to do things with multimedia, or compiz-like window management |
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| 14:01.22 | leinir | Please no, nothing so broken as compiz |
| 14:01.25 | mjr | for things like that you don't really need to pick a stack, since that doesn't have much to do with the phones |
| 14:01.32 | mjr | also, recall we don't have gl acceleration |
| 14:01.35 | HdR | mmontour: thx, seems like i have to build my own kernel ;) |
| 14:01.51 | leinir | But windowmanagement in general, raster is doing that one, and doing it rather well :) |
| 14:02.16 | mmontour | is that patch not in the daily builds yet? |
| 14:02.26 | leinir | multimedia, however, that'll definitely be worth looking at fso, as that's where the project is headed in general :) |
| 14:02.35 | awesomo4k | any idea how/where to get the freetype2.3.6 that the full qwerty kb depends on ? |
| 14:02.36 | mmontour | also suffers from the "not having a freerunner thing" |
| 14:02.43 | Gnutoo | any news on the GPS hardware problem? |
| 14:02.48 | Gnutoo | oops hello |
| 14:02.49 | HdR | mmontour: dunno, atm i'm using the mwester kernel |
| 14:02.51 | kdub | leinir: i've done some work for vlc, i was thinking of trying to port that |
| 14:02.57 | SpeedEvil | gnu{-: it does not affect GTA01 |
| 14:03.07 | gmaxwell | Someone should produce a hand optimized theora decoder. ;) |
| 14:03.09 | leinir | Gnutoo: Not since the kernel patch which disables the sd clock when not needed :) |
| 14:03.12 | mjr | yeah I'd look at fso, but it's not like you can't do multimedia apps merely by developing on your pc, just keeping the restrictions in mind |
| 14:03.13 | awesomo4k | ponders renting out his new shiny freerunner as a timeshare |
| 14:03.16 | SpeedEvil | GPS is currently affected by a problem when the SD is accessed - it seems to lose or find it very hard to obtain - lock on satellites. There is a patch to turn off the clock to SD when not using it, but accessing SD will still disturb GPS. There is a hardware fix, but how this can be applied to units in the field is unclear at the moment. |
| 14:03.28 | mjr | and then make your app launchable on the fso -> voila |
| 14:04.00 | Gnutoo | SpeedEvil, but i just ordered gta02....i was wondering as it it not in the first group of command command...will it get the fix... |
| 14:04.09 | gmaxwell | SpeedEvil, I was under the impression that the SD/GPS problem was mostly an issue during initial lock. |
| 14:04.15 | kdub | mjr: i realize that, opengl and multimedia are what i know best though |
| 14:04.25 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: seems not |
| 14:04.35 | beni_ | SpeedEvil: do you know if end users can apply the HW-fix themselves? |
| 14:04.48 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: it's that it won't lock at all in many cases |
| 14:04.48 | mjr | gmaxwell, depends a bit; in _practice_ many units will hold a lock even with interference pretty well |
| 14:04.58 | kdub | i thought the freerunner had opengl acceleration, whats the gfx chip used for? |
| 14:05.03 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: and any fix may be degraded quite badly |
| 14:05.03 | mjr | beni_, he said it isn't clear |
| 14:05.09 | SpeedEvil | kdub: swearing at. |
| 14:05.13 | gmaxwell | SpeedEvil, hmph. once mine locked (which um.. I think might have taken hours.. ;) ) it held it indoors and such. |
| 14:05.27 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: units may vary |
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| 14:05.41 | kdub | SpeedEvil: haha, thats what it seems all graphics cards are for |
| 14:05.45 | DPThought | .oO(Personal note. Also buy a exacto knife when buying the freerunner. For sperating circuits on the pcb...) :) |
| 14:05.48 | Xaos | Got my FR!!!!! |
| 14:05.58 | SpeedEvil | bentob0x: possibly - if you're confident with a SMD rework station, and 0201 components |
| 14:06.05 | SpeedEvil | beni_: |
| 14:06.15 | gmaxwell | drop in a little capacitor.. all fixed. ;) |
| 14:06.20 | SpeedEvil | kdub: unfortunately, the acceleration has been somewhat of a wash. |
| 14:06.23 | Xaos | bummer is that I have a Cingular (AT&T) 3G SIM that seems to have the issue...sigh |
| 14:06.35 | Xaos | going to try a coworker's T-mobile SIM when he gets in |
| 14:06.38 | SpeedEvil | kdub: on the good side, it can decode mpeg-4 in hardware, and has a scaler unit. |
| 14:06.43 | gmaxwell | Xaos, it's one of the listed as bad sims? |
| 14:06.52 | Xaos | mine is it appears... |
| 14:07.07 | AntonTakk | anyone used gpsd/tangogps in ASU? it work alright? |
| 14:07.08 | SpeedEvil | kdub: on the horrible side, it has a 7 megabyte/second bus, shared by the SD card, which requires the CPU to wait while accessing it. |
| 14:07.09 | beni_ | doesn't have a SMD station |
| 14:07.09 | gmaxwell | Xaos, doh. |
| 14:07.11 | beni_ | :( |
| 14:07.12 | Xaos | I'll probably hit the AT&T store at lunch if I can and get them to get a new one |
| 14:07.16 | kdub | oh, thats pretty good then. what's wrong with the gl acceleration? is the card not build for it? are drivers missing? |
| 14:07.34 | kdub | SpeedEvil: the thats pretty good was for the mpeg4 |
| 14:07.48 | mjr | kdub, missing drivers, and it really only supports 512x512 rendering buffers |
| 14:08.01 | gmaxwell | mpeg4 what? mpeg4 part 2? mpeg4 part 10 (h264)? |
| 14:08.02 | SpeedEvil | kdub: So if you're transferring 3.5M/second of data to the video buffer, you lose 50% of the CPU |
| 14:08.16 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: unsure - it's one codec IIRC |
| 14:08.39 | kdub | mjr: is that the maximum texture size? why would they even bother? |
| 14:08.56 | mjr | kdub, don't know about max texture size. It's really designed for qvga screens. |
| 14:09.17 | SpeedEvil | kdub: it diddn't see that bad when it was specified. |
| 14:09.23 | HauDyrArb | SpeedEvil, do you know how many %cpu is used in GTA01 to display graphics compared to GTA02 |
| 14:09.30 | SpeedEvil | HauDyrArb: it's complex |
| 14:09.54 | SpeedEvil | HauDyrArb: GTA01 uses a completely dumb framebuffer, so it has no hardware accell at all. |
| 14:09.55 | mjr | kdub, at least at some point balrog-kun had some ambitions at some point about doing gl support (he did the mpeg4 bit), but in practice you'd switch to qvga mode if you'd want to use it |
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| 14:10.34 | gmaxwell | I wish GTA02 had scrapped the GFX chip and simply included a faster SOC. |
| 14:10.35 | mjr | (unless you can work around in hardware, rendering in two passes, which is ... nasty as well) |
| 14:10.36 | SpeedEvil | HauDyrArb: but that framebuffer can be transferred to at some 80M/second, compared to 7M/second, and does not conflict with the SD. |
| 14:10.40 | mjr | s/hard/soft/ |
| 14:11.02 | HauDyrArb | SpeedEvil, aah less wait |
| 14:11.22 | SpeedEvil | HauDyrArb: add to that that GTA01 has a slower processor. |
| 14:11.33 | tunys | Damn, I was looking forward to the OpenGL apps |
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| 14:12.01 | tunys | Like somebody could make a Super Monkey Ball game where you tilt the neo to control it |
| 14:12.06 | CaptObviousman | greetings forks |
| 14:12.08 | kdub | i'm just confused at how they chose the graphics chip. it seems all but unusable |
| 14:12.10 | tunys | FreeMonkey? |
| 14:12.25 | SpeedEvil | GTA04 is currently tentatively pointed at a chip with inbuilt 2D accel, which should be quite adequate. And there is a 3D compatible model. |
| 14:12.29 | tunys | kdub, you mean all but usable? |
| 14:12.32 | SpeedEvil | kdub: there is not a lot of choice. |
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| 14:13.02 | gmaxwell | SpeedEvil: I understand the iphone is using one of the arm SOCs which have DSP and FPU. :( |
| 14:13.04 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re0b6e6b20cde 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [openmoko] Add assassin-thumbnail into ASU image |
| 14:13.16 | CaptObviousman | needs someone to convince him to buy a FreeRunner with money that's destined for tuition |
| 14:13.37 | tunys | Cap_J_L_Picard, OpenGL acceleration doesn't work |
| 14:13.53 | tunys | also, there are problems with GPS when you insert an SWD card |
| 14:13.56 | kdub | tunys: what i meant is, what can you use the "graphics chip" for? |
| 14:14.14 | tunys | s/Cap_J_L_Picard/CaptObviousman/ |
| 14:14.17 | HauDyrArb | CaptObviousman, books and school is for geeks, and working in McD is underrated :-) |
| 14:14.40 | tunys | kdub, 2D acceleration |
| 14:14.45 | SpeedEvil | Designing a phone in tiny volumes is horrible. |
| 14:14.51 | SpeedEvil | And 1000-5000 is truly tiny. |
| 14:14.53 | mjr | yep, 2d accel and that mpeg4 thing |
| 14:14.57 | CaptObviousman | I see that the store is out of copies already, when's the next batch gonna come through? |
| 14:15.05 | kdub | SpeedEvil: granted, i dont know a lot about the state of phone's graphics chips :P |
| 14:15.06 | SpeedEvil | Most manufacturers won't talk to you for that volume. |
| 14:15.06 | tunys | 25th |
| 14:15.15 | Sargun_screen | SpeedEvil: Do you work for FIC? |
| 14:15.24 | tunys | CaptObviousman, you don't want one though |
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| 14:15.32 | CaptObviousman | I don't huh |
| 14:15.35 | CaptObviousman | why don't I want one |
| 14:15.41 | tunys | to pay tuition. |
| 14:15.42 | mjr | also were someone to do the gl driver, it could still be nice for many gaming purposes, as a game can IMAO often deal with qvga on that size a screen |
| 14:15.44 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: no, I'm following the state of the electronics industry, and related stuff closely. |
| 14:15.49 | kdub | SpeedEvil: isnt that the truth. hardware's so damn expensive to design |
| 14:15.52 | tunys | You don't want to sacrifice tuition money for this thing. |
| 14:15.54 | Gnutoo | SpeedEvil, basically at bearstech there is 2 commands batch the first one and the second one....the first one receive their freerunner the third week of july...the second one receive their freerunner the first week of august...and i'm part of the second batch...will i have a chance to get my unit fixed? should i contact my shop? |
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| 14:16.11 | Sargun_screen | SpeedEvil: Why, if I may ask? |
| 14:16.20 | Sargun_screen | Just as a hobby? |
| 14:16.40 | tunys | He's a spy for Apple! |
| 14:16.41 | tunys | :D |
| 14:16.58 | Sargun_screen | Or another connected device provider. |
| 14:16.58 | CaptObviousman | it'd be kinda hard to help develop without one, wouldn't it |
| 14:16.59 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: I'm currently not well enough to work - it's a hobby, which I hope to turn into an income not dependant on me being able to do 9-5. |
| 14:17.20 | Sargun_screen | Interesting. |
| 14:17.31 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: currently most of my small disablement allowance is spent on boring stuff like roof repairs. |
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| 14:18.05 | kdub | who did you say was working on the ui? raster? |
| 14:18.07 | tunys | CaptObviousman, another round of Neos will come around |
| 14:18.23 | tunys | and they will have all sorts of new features |
| 14:18.34 | tunys | and you'll probably have the spare money to actually get one |
| 14:18.36 | SpeedEvil | kdub: raster is working on the drivers for the glamo, and low-level UI as I understand it. |
| 14:18.39 | SpeedEvil | Cap_J_L_Picard: in some time. |
| 14:18.42 | Sargun_screen | It would be nice if we could get the hardware to a point where a carrier would pick it up. |
| 14:18.50 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: it's not a hardware problem. |
| 14:18.52 | Sargun_screen | SpeedEvil: Is the phone even profitable? |
| 14:18.58 | gmaxwell | Sargun_screen, s/hardware/software/ |
| 14:18.58 | Sargun_screen | Hard/Software |
| 14:19.00 | SpeedEvil | Sargun_screen: probably not |
| 14:19.07 | kdub | SpeedEvil: does he hang out on irc? |
| 14:19.18 | CaptObviousman | kinda curious, do the carriers hate this thing? Like does it spew noise onto their network on accident? |
| 14:19.18 | SpeedEvil | kdub: occasionally |
| 14:19.44 | Sargun_screen | CaptObviousman: No, but as the GSM chip's specs have been released it could be possible. |
| 14:19.46 | mjr | CaptObviousman, the gsm chip is fully licensed and proprietary |
| 14:19.53 | Sargun_screen | gmaxwell: Nice seeing you again. :-) |
| 14:19.58 | gmaxwell | CaptObviousman, nah.. no noise.. it's a pretty bog standard radio deck in it... but it might not enable the degree of lock in the carriers would prefer. |
| 14:20.02 | gmaxwell | Sargun_screen, Indeed. :) |
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| 14:20.17 | CaptObviousman | well they don't have much choice do they |
| 14:20.28 | tunys | raster seems like the sort of nick that a graphics person would have :P |
| 14:20.43 | gmaxwell | CaptObviousman, The OM doesn't have a nice facility for them to make money selling you wallpapers and ringtones. |
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| 14:22.05 | CaptObviousman | aha, this is what I wanted. QEMU emulator |
| 14:22.17 | gmaxwell | CaptObviousman, an emulator emulator? |
| 14:22.27 | CaptObviousman | swats lazily |
| 14:22.49 | mjr | you don't really want qemu for most things |
| 14:22.57 | Sargun_screen | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_Openness |
| 14:23.18 | CaptObviousman | I'm just looking for a way to get involved in tihs thing and put off purchasing it for a little while |
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| 14:24.19 | tunys | gmaxwell, yeah, it tells you that it's emulating something |
| 14:24.28 | tunys | it emulates an emulator! |
| 14:24.51 | Dave | hah |
| 14:26.01 | kdub | alright, so i think ill see what can be done with the fso... |
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| 14:26.15 | exco | when OM boots which file contains the parameters for matchbox-window-manager and matcbox-panel-2? |
| 14:27.09 | mjr | CaptObviousman, well, basically you can get involved by coding a cool app designed for a small 480x640 screen :) |
| 14:27.30 | gmaxwell | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_Openness < this says the wireless is Atheros AR6K I didn't think that was correct. |
| 14:27.46 | CaptObviousman | well I need to see how it actually works first, look n' feel |
| 14:27.49 | LetoTo | reloads the UPS tracker in the final two hours of his package delivery |
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| 14:29.41 | kdub | where's a guide for the fso for newbies? |
| 14:29.52 | Ainulindale | on the wiki ("FSO") |
| 14:30.05 | Ainulindale | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO <= |
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| 14:30.45 | kdub | Ainulindale: sorry to ask, the wiki search always takes me to bad places it seems :P |
| 14:31.20 | Ainulindale | Yep |
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| 14:32.04 | HauDyrArb | kdub, hopefully ill soon set a search engine up so you can search the site |
| 14:32.21 | HauDyrArb | kdub, and no i am not the web admin |
| 14:32.46 | Ainulindale | I don't think that's the problem |
| 14:33.07 | Ainulindale | There should be more categories, more categorisation in fact, and people should be aware of that |
| 14:33.23 | Ainulindale | As an example I wrote the page on FSO but didn't think to put in any category |
| 14:33.30 | HauDyrArb | Ainulindale, but still the search engine in the wiki sux |
| 14:33.39 | Ainulindale | Mostly yes |
| 14:33.52 | Ainulindale | But if we had more sensible categories it would be something better I think :-) |
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| 14:34.32 | Ainulindale | And if you want to hate me I'm currently behind a proxy called "tide97.microsoft.com" |
| 14:34.36 | Ainulindale | Isn't it classy ? :-) |
| 14:35.05 | HauDyrArb | Ainulindale, and i have a root server that is itching to do something :-) |
| 14:35.22 | CaptObviousman | yeah, I poked around for the irc channel but the wiki search didn't find anything |
| 14:35.27 | CaptObviousman | so I just started guessing networks |
| 14:35.38 | Ainulindale | CaptObviousman: it wasn't very hard :-) |
| 14:35.45 | CaptObviousman | I tried oftc first |
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| 14:40.09 | gmaxwell | Anyone found a way to dispel the keyboard in minimo ? |
| 14:41.50 | SpeedEvil | Say 'I abjure thee.' Thrice, with your left hand pointed at the device, and the thumb curled over? |
| 14:41.55 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r2c71fc82e76b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/const.py modems/abstract/mediator.py): ogsmd: fix number type parsing |
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| 14:44.54 | nuclear_eclipse | my Neo won't turn on at all, not even to the NOR ROM, regardless if it's hooked to usb or not, and I've taken the battery out and in multiple times, but I just can't get it to turn on. can anyone help me? |
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| 14:45.07 | spydon | gmaxwell, did it work? ^^ |
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| 14:45.38 | Ainulindale | nuclear_eclipse: did you push the button for several seconds ? |
| 14:45.43 | nuclear_eclipse | yes |
| 14:45.49 | cjb | nuclear_eclipse: I think I heard "leave it plugged into USB for a day" somewhere. |
| 14:46.04 | mmontour | nuclear_eclipse: could be a deeply-discharged battery - there's a known issue. Do you have any other batteries (like a Nokia BL-4C/BL-5C)? |
| 14:46.10 | nuclear_eclipse | I tried having it plugged into my PC for an hour, but I still got nothing... |
| 14:46.13 | gmaxwell | spydon, No. |
| 14:46.24 | nuclear_eclipse | and no, I don't have any other batteries to try |
| 14:46.30 | gmaxwell | speaking of funny motions... is there anyway I can see the accelerometer outputs? |
| 14:46.36 | mmontour | cjb: that was for gta01 |
| 14:46.40 | cjb | mmontour: he said Neo |
| 14:46.59 | mmontour | He also said NOR :) |
| 14:47.18 | cjb | oh. :) I wonder which was misspoke. |
| 14:47.23 | gmaxwell | yea.. if you fully discharge gta01 it's a pain to get it to come back.. leave it charging for a day and it will work again. |
| 14:48.07 | mmontour | AIUI the full names are "Neo Freerunner" and "Neo 1973", but this may have changed |
| 14:49.25 | mmontour | nuclear_eclipse: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021556.html |
| 14:49.56 | cjb | ah, so. |
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| 14:59.16 | sontek | anyong familiar with changing ringtones on the freerunner? It looks like it can't handle mp3s as ringtones |
| 14:59.19 | sontek | can it handle ogg? |
| 14:59.26 | sontek | I tried doing wav but it complained about that too |
| 14:59.59 | kdean06 | What software are you using? |
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| 15:02.40 | nuclear_eclipse | mmontour: does this mean the Freerunner won't ever turn on without a functioning battery, even when plugged into usb? |
| 15:03.03 | Dave | nuclear wessels! |
| 15:03.05 | mmontour | No, there's already a fix for that issue in the u-boot source tree. |
| 15:03.34 | mmontour | Of course you have to get your Freerunner to boot before you can apply that fix... |
| 15:03.38 | nuclear_eclipse | but if I can't boot because my battery is discharged... |
| 15:03.39 | nuclear_eclipse | arg |
| 15:04.38 | mmontour | The easiest approach is probably to find a friend or co-worker with a Nokia phone and borrow a battery. |
| 15:04.43 | Xaos | OK...my coworker's T-mobile SIM works as does another's older AT&T SIM... |
| 15:05.14 | Xaos | I've got another SIM from our cell phone guy that I'm going to try and if it works, I'll call AT&T and have them switch my number to it |
| 15:05.16 | nuclear_eclipse | all my co-workers have razrs... :( |
| 15:05.26 | Elleo | anyone know what's happened to tangogps.org? |
| 15:05.30 | AntonTakk | fr won't boot w/o some charge in the battery w/o a uboot fix? |
| 15:05.36 | SpeedEvil | Elleo: some sort of DNS problems. |
| 15:05.39 | AntonTakk | glad i got extra betteries |
| 15:05.58 | nuclear_eclipse | is it possible to buy a spare battery directly from Openmoko? |
| 15:06.13 | AntonTakk | nuclear_eclipse: dunno, i bought the extras pack |
| 15:06.24 | SpeedEvil | nuclear_eclipse: yes - the extras pack |
| 15:06.56 | Xaos | my "other" phone is a RAZR |
| 15:07.15 | Xaos | it's the one that has the SIM that I cannot get to work |
| 15:07.19 | Xaos | in the FR |
| 15:07.43 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/tangogps_0.9.2-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 15:07.48 | thewtex | looks like the car kit is out of the picture in the store |
| 15:08.01 | thewtex | is there any place to find a car kit? |
| 15:08.10 | SpeedEvil | Elleo: latest bin |
| 15:08.11 | AntonTakk | Xaos: my sim that works in the fr did not work in my razr :) |
| 15:08.39 | Elleo | SpeedEvil: thanks :) |
| 15:08.40 | AntonTakk | thewtex: there was a car kit? |
| 15:08.50 | Gnutoo | hello, i've read a lot of mails about the gps/sd card but i didn't find the details on the hardware fix...could somebody point it to me so i can use them in a mail? |
| 15:09.08 | thewtex | AntonTakk: they planned one a long time ago with the 'extras kit' |
| 15:09.14 | AntonTakk | ah |
| 15:09.47 | Xaos | my GPS got a TTFF of 31 sec when standing on the north side of my 2-story house (south sky was blocked by house) last night |
| 15:09.52 | AntonTakk | a car charger would be nice |
| 15:10.26 | thewtex | yes, and a hook up to the stereo to silence it |
| 15:10.59 | SpeedEvil | xaid|work: what sort? |
| 15:11.11 | SpeedEvil | Gnutoo: I've never seen one |
| 15:11.20 | SpeedEvil | Gnutoo: a specific component value |
| 15:11.50 | AntonTakk | thewtex: er, how would that work, minus a special stereo? |
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| 15:12.29 | SpeedEvil | thaw: the frerunner _sucks_ for making a dock for it. |
| 15:12.30 | nuclear_eclipse | mmontour: does this charger seem appropriate for the Neo's battery? http://cgi.ebay.com/2x-BL-5C-Battery-Charger-for-Nokia-N70-6680-N91-6630_W0QQitemZ260260838513QQihZ016QQcategoryZ20336QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 15:12.39 | AntonTakk | thewtex: i would think just try to make it compatible with the various in-car bt enabled hands free systems |
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| 15:12.50 | SpeedEvil | nuclear_eclipse: is there any good reason not to just use the neo? |
| 15:13.06 | Gnutoo | SpeedEvil, it's a capacitor as you said before...it should be remplaced by a wire? another capacitor? |
| 15:13.19 | Gnutoo | s/it should/should it |
| 15:13.19 | nuclear_eclipse | SpeedEvil: it doesn't seem to be charging the battery at all, and it wont turn on |
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| 15:14.01 | nuclear_eclipse | unless I'm just not being patient enough? |
| 15:14.10 | thewtex | AntonTakk: most car stereos have a 'line mute' input, that will mute with a DC voltage applied |
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| 15:14.59 | SpeedEvil | nuclear_eclipse: take battery out |
| 15:15.05 | SpeedEvil | nuclear_eclipse: wait 30 mins |
| 15:15.21 | SpeedEvil | nuclear_eclipse: place battery back in, reconnect USB, wait a few hours |
| 15:15.25 | nuclear_eclipse | ok |
| 15:15.35 | SpeedEvil | nuclear_eclipse: this shoulg get it to a few tens of percent charge. |
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| 15:15.49 | mmontour | nuclear_eclipse: yes, I think that ebay one would work. |
| 15:16.04 | nuclear_eclipse | was that a "good" charger though? it would be nice to have some spares that I can charge while I'm using the Neo elsewhere.... |
| 15:16.13 | nuclear_eclipse | ok, thanks mmontour |
| 15:16.26 | SpeedEvil | nuclear_eclipse: a good charger will not charge the battery. |
| 15:16.49 | SpeedEvil | nuclear_eclipse: only a bad cheapest charger that will charge any battery, and does not monitor the nokia batteries temperature. |
| 15:16.58 | nuclear_eclipse | <- lost |
| 15:17.00 | Chocky | muh. |
| 15:17.10 | Chocky | well, I'm glad my FR can keep time. not :-( |
| 15:17.19 | Chocky | is now 12.49 |
| 15:17.20 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: how much drift? |
| 15:17.25 | Chocky | more like a reset |
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| 15:17.36 | mmontour | SpeedEvil: the ebay item he posted includes a couple of BL-5Cs as well as the charger, so he can at least charge one of them and use it to jump-start the Freerunner |
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| 15:17.51 | Chocky | and if you adjust the time, it throws off the suspend timeout |
| 15:17.54 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: ah |
| 15:18.05 | Chocky | and the screen dim is _way_ too quick. like 15 secs. |
| 15:18.32 | nuclear_eclipse | SpeedEvil: is there an extrenal charger you recommend then if I were to purchase the batteries direct from Openmoko, so that I could maintain at least one fully charged battery outside of the Neo? |
| 15:18.44 | Dave | More evil freerunner development today! |
| 15:18.48 | Dave | Muwahahahaha |
| 15:19.55 | mmontour | Dave: are you still seeing that charger problem where the battery would charge fully and then start to discharge, all while still connected to USB? Or am I thinking of someone else's problem? |
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| 15:26.00 | Dave | mmontour yep |
| 15:26.14 | Dave | mmontour, oh, but I did notice something interesting |
| 15:26.23 | Dave | it seems to only happen when connected to a pc usb |
| 15:26.39 | Dave | when plugged into the AC adapter it usually doesn't begin to discharge |
| 15:27.08 | Dave | however, episodically, if I leave some freerunners charging via AC over night, I may wake up to have them very hot and shut off :[ |
| 15:28.15 | Chocky | hm, mediaplayer is really upset |
| 15:28.25 | Chocky | "Internal data flow erorr" |
| 15:28.29 | Chocky | er, error |
| 15:29.59 | Dave | It no like you... |
| 15:30.18 | mmontour | Dave: it looks like the other bug (not turning on with a deeply-discharged battery) is now fixed, but I haven't seen any activity relating to the discharging-while-plugged-in one |
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| 15:30.46 | Dave | Mmontour, have you experienced that yourself, as well? |
| 15:31.20 | mmontour | No, I don't have a Freerunner yet. I'm asking because I want to update the "Freerunner Hardware Issues" wiki page later today |
| 15:31.30 | Dave | Ah, good :) |
| 15:31.48 | Dave | and what exactly has been "fixed" about the deeply discharged batteries issue? |
| 15:31.50 | mmontour | It sounds similar to Trac #1158, although that was reported on GTA01 |
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| 15:32.09 | Dave | I don't see how that could be *fixed* with software, unless the solution is simply to shut it off sooner :P |
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| 15:33.06 | Chocky | Dave: how can I adjust the screen blank timeout? GTK daily. |
| 15:33.18 | mmontour | Dave: there's a series of patches to u-boot that let it boot from 100mA USB power, then negotiate the 500mA rate. |
| 15:33.38 | Dave | Chocky, uhh |
| 15:33.43 | nuclear_eclipse | mmontour: is that already available in the ialy images? |
| 15:33.52 | Dave | mmontour, AH, excellent! |
| 15:33.54 | nuclear_eclipse | s/ialy/daily |
| 15:34.10 | mmontour | not sure - it's quite recent so I wouldn't count on it. |
| 15:34.57 | mmontour | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-July/003799.html |
| 15:35.27 | nuclear_eclipse | ty |
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| 15:37.10 | Chocky | Dave: it'd be easier if you said you didn't know to my questions :p |
| 15:37.28 | Dave | Okay :) |
| 15:37.34 | Dave | I had recalled seeing it somewhere is all |
| 15:37.38 | Dave | I don't recall though :( |
| 15:37.51 | Dave | I've been breaking too much to remember where everything was originally :D |
| 15:37.52 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: so yo urecall, but you don't recall? |
| 15:37.53 | Chocky | more useful than not answering - I don't mind looking if I get a negatory |
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| 15:38.07 | Chocky | h5s Dave's honesty |
| 15:38.13 | Dave | :P |
| 15:38.26 | Chocky | No, he recalls that he didn't recall |
| 15:38.29 | Dave | slaps nuclear_eclipse around a bit with a large Chocky |
| 15:38.35 | Guilt | dishonest Dave |
| 15:38.38 | Guilt | ;) |
| 15:38.54 | Guilt | but Dave can't be honest if he's dishonest |
| 15:38.55 | Dave | Oh no, the Guilt! |
| 15:39.03 | Guilt | Oh no, the Dave >;E |
| 15:39.15 | Dave | Haha, Indeed! >:) |
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| 15:40.01 | Sargun | There has to be at least one FIC employee here |
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| 15:40.31 | nuclear_eclipse | *has* to? is there punishment otherwise? |
| 15:40.41 | cjb | Sargun: there are several, but they probably have better things to do than chat most of the time. |
| 15:40.46 | mjr | there are. Not necessarily active ones at any one time. |
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| 15:41.09 | Sargun | It'd be neat if I could get a device directly from them |
| 15:41.36 | Sargun | considering their US office is right across from a stop on my commuter train's route |
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| 15:41.40 | Azalyn | so, is openmoko going to have an IPO at some point? |
| 15:41.45 | Sargun | Azalyn, no. |
| 15:41.55 | Azalyn | going to remain private? |
| 15:41.55 | cjb | Azalyn: it's a division of FIC now. |
| 15:42.06 | cjb | FIC is a public company, I think. |
| 15:42.09 | Azalyn | what? i thought it spun off from fic |
| 15:42.17 | cjb | Oh. I'm confused, then. |
| 15:42.21 | Chocky | FICkle |
| 15:42.23 | Azalyn | i remember reading that openmoko went independent |
| 15:42.51 | cjb | odd. when was that? |
| 15:42.54 | Dave | strange |
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| 15:44.11 | cjb | I don't think they are independent. |
| 15:44.28 | Azalyn | http://www.embeddedstar.com/weblog/2008/01/02/foss-open-source/ |
| 15:44.32 | Dave | They are, however, awesomependent! |
| 15:45.02 | Azalyn | this seems to suggest they're independent :\ |
| 15:45.05 | cjb | Azalyn: oh, that's interesting. Pretty sure FIC still owns them, though. |
| 15:46.20 | mjr | yeah it's FIC's subsidiary, afaik |
| 15:46.44 | *** join/#openmoko goldie83_ (n=goldie@host-68-11.drama.pl) |
| 15:47.02 | goldie83_ | hi |
| 15:47.28 | cjb | huh, I'm really not sure now. It does look pretty independent. Sorry, Azalyn, totally missed that. |
| 15:47.52 | goldie83_ | where I can submit some bug reports for openmoko-mediaplayer2? |
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| 15:48.33 | nuclear_eclipse | goldie83_: projects.openmoko.org? |
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| 15:48.55 | Sargun | It would be neat to just get the GSM/GPRS stuff on a serial/USB board |
| 15:50.02 | goldie83_ | nuclear_eclipse, posted there alreeady, but I thing as the wrong component - set to System Software |
| 15:50.09 | exco | can someone tell me which file contains the parameters (startup) for matchbox-window-manager and matcbox-panel-2? |
| 15:52.24 | Chocky | blah. ssh doesn't recover from suspend, AFAICT |
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| 15:53.02 | Chocky | uh oh ;-) |
| 15:53.03 | nuclear_eclipse | hi Michael |
| 15:53.51 | Dave | You don't have to yell Michael, I'm all around you. |
| 15:54.01 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 15:54.15 | Dave | :D |
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| 15:56.47 | goodwill | hmmm |
| 15:56.50 | goldie83_ | i don't know if the submit was correct - may you look at this report and say, that all is allright? - http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1596 |
| 15:56.51 | goodwill | Dave: hey hey hey |
| 15:56.53 | Dave | goodwill! |
| 15:57.06 | Chocky | MS so quiet. |
| 15:57.12 | goodwill | Dave: I giiittt me a fancy flashligh ;) |
| 15:57.25 | goodwill | s/flashligh/flashlight |
| 15:57.40 | Dave | Yay! |
| 15:58.26 | SpeedEvil | goodwill: |
| 15:58.28 | SpeedEvil | https://www.fenix-store.com/ |
| 15:58.49 | goodwill | SpeedEvil: I was refering to FR |
| 15:58.59 | goodwill | SpeedEvil: :) |
| 15:59.43 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 16:00.45 | SpeedEvil | nuclear_eclipse: no idea |
| 16:01.11 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd5d0fadee4fb 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: |
| 16:01.11 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: allow unsolicited message to also begin with |
| 16:01.11 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * 'R'(ING), |
| 16:01.11 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * 'C'(ONNECT), and |
| 16:01.11 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * 'N'(O CARRIER) in ogsmd.gsm.DelegateChannel. |
| 16:01.13 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r769cec8b6b8c 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: [OPENEZX] add basic call handling |
| 16:01.31 | nuclear_eclipse | bam! |
| 16:01.33 | abraxa_ | Chocky: Try installing gst-plugin-apetag - gstreamer can't handle mp3s having that tag otherwise and gives "internal data error" |
| 16:01.45 | Chocky | hm. |
| 16:02.01 | Chocky | so much for dependencies :p |
| 16:02.10 | Dave | so much for simplicities |
| 16:02.18 | Chocky | worse, it was working yesterday. |
| 16:02.24 | Chocky | so much for Daves |
| 16:02.36 | Dave | yeah |
| 16:02.43 | Dave | I killed them all, and ate their souls. |
| 16:02.48 | Chocky | MetaDave |
| 16:02.56 | Dave | The Dave. |
| 16:03.07 | Chocky | Dave wut ate Tokyo |
| 16:03.12 | nuclear_eclipse | on Dave to eat them all? |
| 16:03.17 | nuclear_eclipse | s/on/one/ |
| 16:03.21 | Dave | haha, something like that |
| 16:03.26 | Dave | apt, shush |
| 16:03.27 | apt | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 16:03.33 | Chocky | apt, quieter |
| 16:03.51 | Chocky | apt: show me the money |
| 16:03.51 | apt | hmm... show me the money is what? I ain't gonna show you nothing, you pervert motherfucker. |
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| 16:03.58 | Chocky | so rude! |
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| 16:04.15 | Dave | pfft, hardly |
| 16:05.57 | goodwill | ok I got synergy running on OM, much easier typing, though the pointer is missing |
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| 16:06.07 | nuclear_eclipse | goodwill: nice :) |
| 16:06.25 | goodwill | nuclear_eclipse: its pretty easy |
| 16:06.30 | nuclear_eclipse | I saw synergy in the repo, but I didn't have time to test it |
| 16:06.30 | spydon | Would this http://www.amazon.com/Female-Mini-Male-Adapter-Shipping/dp/B000Y6UL5E/ref=sr_1_1/104-7028655-9767166?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1216224297&sr=1-1 work if you want to plug in normal USB stuff into the freerunner? |
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| 16:06.48 | goodwill | nuclear_eclipse: ompkg install synergy and then stadard synery stuff |
| 16:06.53 | nuclear_eclipse | goodwill: I use Synergy daily between my two desktops |
| 16:07.05 | nuclear_eclipse | and on my laptop at school |
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| 16:07.24 | Dave | :] |
| 16:07.30 | goodwill | I am going to need some kind of craddle for om |
| 16:07.37 | exco | :-( |
| 16:07.38 | Dave | Yeah! |
| 16:08.04 | goodwill | nuclear_eclipse: tjhe flippy part is when I start using it over internet |
| 16:08.16 | Dave | rockabye freerunner |
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| 16:08.55 | nuclear_eclipse | goodwill: I had only planned to use it over usb, but it would be handy once I got wifi up too |
| 16:09.46 | Dave | Indeedy! |
| 16:09.48 | Chocky | spydon: hope so :o |
| 16:10.14 | spydon | Chocky, hehe me too :P |
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| 16:11.11 | Lo-lan-do | Hi guys. |
| 16:11.26 | Sargun | hi Lo-lan-do |
| 16:11.40 | roh | spydon looks good.. even if one would have a short cable and eventualy a 90 degree sideways plug for better mechanical stability |
| 16:11.45 | Lo-lan-do | I've been reluctant to remove the plastic film on my FR so far (in case I had to return it for repairs), but now I'm wondering hos scratchproof the actual screen is. |
| 16:11.52 | Lo-lan-do | Any hints on that? |
| 16:12.03 | Chocky | yes, a cable adapter would be better. |
| 16:12.21 | Chocky | i.e. like the one supplied with it, but with female on the end |
| 16:12.23 | spydon | roh, yeah |
| 16:12.51 | Dave | moko moko moko |
| 16:13.13 | goodwill | Lo-lan-do: is it a scratch proof film? |
| 16:13.36 | goodwill | nuclear_eclipse: if you set it on wifi and do not ssh tunnel it, everyone will eb able to type on it ;) |
| 16:13.50 | nuclear_eclipse | goodwill: unless it's the client.... |
| 16:14.03 | goodwill | nuclear_eclipse: right |
| 16:14.05 | Chocky | major moko mojo daveo |
| 16:14.06 | goodwill | nuclear_eclipse: nm now |
| 16:14.06 | Lo-lan-do | goodwill: Not really, but I hope it at least protects the screen. |
| 16:14.10 | nuclear_eclipse | :P |
| 16:14.12 | Dave | Hah! |
| 16:14.20 | Dave | shines his medals |
| 16:14.42 | goodwill | is it normal for phone to power when I plugin usb |
| 16:14.49 | nuclear_eclipse | goodwill: yes :( |
| 16:15.23 | nuclear_eclipse | I don't remember the reason, but I remember someone saying it was intended behavior... |
| 16:15.28 | Xaos | WOO HOO!!! Got a new SIM from our guy at work and am now registered on AT&T network with my FR!!! Now to see if it makes phone calls. ;-) |
| 16:15.33 | Chocky | so shouty |
| 16:15.37 | Dave | man I need some screen protectors |
| 16:15.44 | Dave | Xaos, good luck :p |
| 16:15.54 | nuclear_eclipse | I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE YELLING!!! |
| 16:15.55 | Dave | goodwill, eventually, yes. |
| 16:16.03 | Dave | EVERYONE'S DOING IT! |
| 16:16.09 | Dave | OMG THE PEER PRESSURE IS SO INTENSE! |
| 16:16.37 | Chocky | http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Screen-Protector-OPenmoko-Neo1973_W0QQitemZ180265712050QQihZ008QQcategoryZ20336QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 16:16.42 | Dave | yeah I saw |
| 16:17.00 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: I don't know what type of 'pressure' you're getting from your peers, but please, keep it to yourself :P |
| 16:17.37 | Xaos | YEEEEHA!!!! Just made my first FR phone call! THAT'S WHY I'M YELLING!!! ;-) |
| 16:17.50 | nuclear_eclipse | WOW!!! AWESOME!!! :P |
| 16:17.54 | Dave | Calm down. |
| 16:17.59 | nuclear_eclipse | ok. |
| 16:18.01 | Dave | confiscates Xaos's SIM card |
| 16:18.12 | Xaos | Dave: you can have my old one! |
| 16:18.13 | Xaos | ;-) |
| 16:18.14 | Dave | There, no more excitement for you, for ten minutes. |
| 16:18.17 | Dave | haha, no thans |
| 16:18.21 | Dave | I've got a bucket full :p |
| 16:18.23 | nuclear_eclipse | what are thans? |
| 16:18.51 | Dave | thanks |
| 16:18.52 | Xaos | no hands? |
| 16:18.56 | Dave | hah |
| 16:18.57 | Lo-lan-do | kless thanks |
| 16:19.01 | Chocky | sometimes media player doesn't start at all. fnar |
| 16:19.02 | donomo | Xaos: congrats! amazing isnt it |
| 16:19.08 | Chocky | and I still get that error. |
| 16:19.12 | Xaos | donomo: yep...sure is! |
| 16:19.35 | donomo | my lame unboxing video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8-wyukZsCs |
| 16:19.43 | Xaos | now to just pull all my contacts off my razr and transfer them (keeping a backup of course)...and get that 8GB microSD |
| 16:19.44 | Xaos | ;-) |
| 16:19.53 | Dave | error, maximum temperature threshold tripped |
| 16:19.56 | Dave | phone is on fire |
| 16:19.56 | donomo | XorA: what carrier? |
| 16:19.59 | Dave | Kernel Panic! |
| 16:20.10 | Chocky | "Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument" |
| 16:20.12 | Lo-lan-do | Xaos: You've seen the contact migration scripts, I assume? |
| 16:20.38 | Lo-lan-do | (Import from SIM or Vcards) |
| 16:21.03 | Xaos | Lo-lan-do: no...I haven't even started looking yet...got a link? |
| 16:21.04 | nuclear_eclipse | SpeedEvil: thanks for the info, my FR is back on now |
| 16:21.31 | Lo-lan-do | Xaos: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Sim_Contacts |
| 16:21.32 | Xaos | ahhh...so...now I need to get them off my RAZR and into vCards it appears |
| 16:21.45 | Xaos | Lo-lan-do: thanks! bookmarked |
| 16:21.48 | donomo | Lo-lan-do: woot, thanks for the link |
| 16:22.00 | Lo-lan-do | Unless they're on your SIM already, but then you'll probably want to edit them to add more info. |
| 16:22.33 | Lo-lan-do | Or maybe it's just my prehistoric SIM that doesn't accept non-ASCII chars or names longer than 12 chars or tags/categories or... |
| 16:22.37 | Xaos | nope...all on the phone so I can store the additional info (email, etc.) |
| 16:22.59 | Chocky | tries GPS again :o |
| 16:24.24 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r52244595910f 10/packages/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [qtopia] Add a openmoko/ASU specific ring profile setting |
| 16:24.59 | Chocky | gets nuttin' outta GPS |
| 16:25.37 | nuclear_eclipse | Chocky: I was only able to get GPS to work after I took out my SD card. I couldn't even get it to pull the time from GPS otherwise.... |
| 16:25.51 | Chocky | no SD csrd |
| 16:25.55 | *** join/#openmoko doc|work (n=doc@gentoo/contributor/doc-007) |
| 16:25.56 | Chocky | it worked one time last night |
| 16:25.56 | *** join/#openmoko imcsk8 (n=ichavero@148.229.1.11) |
| 16:25.59 | Chocky | but not today |
| 16:26.03 | nuclear_eclipse | hmm |
| 16:26.19 | doc|work | when you get your phone is it best to charge the battery straight out or can I play with it a little? :) |
| 16:26.29 | Chocky | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.44 | goodwill | Chocky: do those work? |
| 16:26.58 | Chocky | "those" ? |
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| 16:27.37 | CVirus | nuclear_eclipse: that's a known issue |
| 16:27.54 | nuclear_eclipse | yeah, I just thought I'd reiterate :P |
| 16:27.54 | goodwill | I still have not gotten a GPS lock |
| 16:28.08 | Lo-lan-do | Speaking of GPS and time... i'd love a HOWTO synchronise the internal clock with GPS signals :-) |
| 16:28.45 | nuclear_eclipse | Lo-lan-do: +1 |
| 16:28.59 | Chocky | FR is upright, and window faces South. hm |
| 16:29.01 | Lo-lan-do | Also, strange thing... the date displayed on the "home" screen changes at 23:00 rather than at midnight, for some reason. |
| 16:29.17 | Chocky | daylight saving badness |
| 16:29.43 | goodwill | Chocky: scree protectors |
| 16:29.48 | goodwill | Chocky: screen protectors |
| 16:29.54 | Chocky | goodwill: beats me. |
| 16:30.06 | Chocky | all I know is that my screen is real dirty |
| 16:30.29 | doc|work | anyone? |
| 16:30.41 | Chocky | doc|home: I answered "both" |
| 16:31.03 | doc|work | can't be both |
| 16:31.21 | nuclear_eclipse | doc|work: play with it while it's plugged in charging ;) |
| 16:31.39 | doc|work | really? I'd have thought that wouldn't be good for the battery |
| 16:31.42 | Lo-lan-do | Chocky: Strange, since the clock is correct. |
| 16:31.57 | nuclear_eclipse | doc|work: that's what I did at least :P |
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| 16:32.27 | Chocky | perhaps. |
| 16:32.54 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rae399a28725a 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/channel.py modems/openezx/channel.py): ogsmd: allow channels to install their own parser |
| 16:32.55 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r2cf598f448d2 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: ogsmd: implement ThrowStuffAwayParser that just does that :D |
| 16:32.55 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r59708ce54905 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/openezx/channel.py: |
| 16:32.56 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [OPENEZX] use ThrowStuffAwayParser for MiscChannel until we find out how to supress unsolicited responses within |
| 16:32.59 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: request/response processes |
| 16:34.21 | Chocky | hm, GPS lock now. took some minutes |
| 16:34.27 | HdR | for setting the loading amperage: http://hdr.meetr.de/neo/screenshots/battery_01.png http://hdr.meetr.de/neo/screenshots/battery_02.png http://hdr.meetr.de/neo/openmoko/battery.py |
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| 16:34.54 | Dave | mofomokomojo |
| 16:35.14 | Chocky | gpsmofo |
| 16:35.58 | Chocky | dances a GPS tango |
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| 16:37.18 | Gnutoo | HdR, you can charge at 1000ma? |
| 16:37.55 | goodwill | ok, I am going to need to setup my local compile as a repo |
| 16:38.20 | goodwill | Dave: did you manage to replace the OM default keyboard with matchbox one? |
| 16:38.58 | HdR | Gnutoo: yes |
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| 16:39.30 | Gnutoo | HdR, wow...i thought the stock charger could only charge at 500mA |
| 16:39.32 | HdR | Gnutoo: with gta02 and a charger, witch supports it ;) |
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| 16:39.41 | HdR | *which |
| 16:39.48 | Gnutoo | HdR, ah ok you need a special charger... |
| 16:40.01 | HdR | Gnutoo: the om charger support 2A afaik |
| 16:40.11 | Gnutoo | HdR, wow ok thanks a lot |
| 16:40.18 | Dave | goodwill, yep |
| 16:40.25 | mjr | Charger does. FR will draw only 1A though. |
| 16:40.28 | Dave | goodwill, it was no problem after you built me the packages :) |
| 16:40.34 | goodwill | Dave: instructions please |
| 16:41.04 | linuxxr | MESQUITE, |
| 16:41.04 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.06 | Stroller | yawns |
| 16:41.09 | Stroller | Morning all |
| 16:41.16 | Dave | wiki/Switching_Keyboards :) |
| 16:41.27 | goodwill | Dave: thanks |
| 16:41.28 | DPThought | HdR: cool. Could you make this also gta01 aware? Nice little tool. Much better locking than settingsGUI |
| 16:41.34 | Dave | :) |
| 16:42.40 | HdR | DPThought: i have no gta01 :/, does settingsgui support setting the charing manuelly? |
| 16:43.14 | DPThought | HdR: yes. But rather flimsy. gta01 has just different sysf files AFAIK. |
| 16:43.31 | DPThought | HdR: and no 1000mA mode. Only 500mA |
| 16:43.43 | HdR | DPThought: ha ok |
| 16:45.04 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r33bfc12d5036 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko-asu-feed] Remove diversity-nav from asu-feed. |
| 16:45.05 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra66a270155bb 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko-asu-feed] Bump up PR of asu-feed to force rebuild |
| 16:45.06 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r530be8c0961d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion of opkg to 4528 |
| 16:45.06 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2e25091383f8 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 195 |
| 16:45.09 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb1949e56f3db 10/packages/openmoko-projects/assassin_svn.bb: [assassin] Remove curl in DEPENDS of assassin |
| 16:45.12 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc33b87bc3e85 10/packages/packagekit/ (files/repository-ping.patch packagekit_git.bb): [packagekit] Add a patch to packagekit. |
| 16:45.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r7b297f1a083e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin-thumbnail] Bump up the reversion of assassin-thumbnail to 4529 |
| 16:45.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r39c1d1e81d05 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [openmoko] Add assassin-thumbnail into ASU image |
| 16:45.31 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb097fcd2e265 10/packages/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [qtopia] Add a openmoko/ASU specific ring profile setting |
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| 16:47.00 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r8589f67abc2d 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/input.vala: Fix segfault in input plugin |
| 16:47.39 | Chocky | autocenter doesn't do anything obvious in tangogps |
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| 16:49.26 | Xaos | linuxr: took about 12 hours to get from Mesquite to Denton |
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| 16:52.02 | Chocky | wonders if he has a bad GPS solder connection :o |
| 16:52.05 | thane | hi.. a question.. how much is probably an umts version of neo freerunner? |
| 16:52.22 | Chocky | a jallion dollars. |
| 16:52.35 | thane | good :) |
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| 16:52.46 | Chocky | I'm not sure the question makes much sense by itself. |
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| 16:52.56 | SpeedEvil | It does. |
| 16:52.59 | thane | why? |
| 16:53.17 | SpeedEvil | The answer is probably $100000 for a batch of 5000. |
| 16:53.41 | Stroller | + at least 9 months lead time |
| 16:53.43 | Chocky | it presumes one is to be made, and that some actually planning has been done, including accouting for engineering, etc, etc. |
| 16:53.59 | Chocky | so infinite dollars could be accurate |
| 16:54.04 | SpeedEvil | And $100000 is a very low figure |
| 16:54.05 | thane | ah ok.. |
| 16:54.11 | SpeedEvil | Neglecting dev time. |
| 16:54.27 | thane | i've searched on the site if there's a "public release date" about this topic |
| 16:54.29 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r731de7d42939 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [qtopia] Use packagearch all for the openmoko profile data |
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| 16:54.35 | thane | but i've not found anything |
| 16:54.40 | thane | and so i'm here :) |
| 16:54.49 | Chocky | and that open versions of suitable hardware exists, etc, etc. |
| 16:54.53 | SpeedEvil | The problem is that it's really complex - there are many 3G standards worldwide. |
| 16:54.53 | Chocky | and more etcs. |
| 16:55.11 | SpeedEvil | And that phone chipset makers will simply not talk to you at 'low' volumes - 5K |
| 16:55.17 | thane | SpeedEvil: ah ok.. |
| 16:56.07 | Chocky | it's like asking "how much will it cost to fly to the nearest planetary system?" no complete set of technologies exist to do it. |
| 16:56.24 | Chocky | nearest other than our own ;-) |
| 16:56.43 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: that's basically wrong - throw enough money at this problem,and it's simple. |
| 16:56.44 | thane | Chocky: ok ok understand :P |
| 16:56.46 | Chocky | waits for holes in his analogy |
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| 16:57.02 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: if you commit to a large order, the phone chipset makers will talk to you and help. |
| 16:57.16 | Chocky | SpeedEvil: it's not "basically wrong", thanks. money can make the technology happen of course. I never said it was impossible |
| 16:57.22 | Chocky | keep up in the back |
| 16:57.37 | SpeedEvil | It's basically wrong in that a complete set of technologies exist, and it's off-the-shelf. |
| 16:57.42 | Chocky | sigh. |
| 16:57.44 | Sargun | How difficult would it be to modify the OpenMoko design to work with something like this: http://www.telit.com/en/products/cdma.php?p_id=13&p_ac=show&p=16 |
| 16:57.44 | Chocky | whoosh. |
| 16:57.50 | Chocky | that's the sound of you missing the point. |
| 16:58.10 | Stroller | SpeedEvil: there is the problem of openness - you might have to BUY a chipmaker in order to get them to allow you to publish the chip specs openly |
| 16:58.12 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: quite - that's a comparatively large part - assuming it's a 3G module |
| 16:58.31 | doc|work | Sargun: is it open? |
| 16:58.33 | SpeedEvil | Stroller: it's not _quite_ that bad. They will talk to you if you order lots. |
| 16:58.45 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: and it's expensive. |
| 16:59.13 | Stroller | Sargun: you want something like this http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/11/21/review_vodafone_mobile_connect_modem/ |
| 16:59.25 | Stroller | Connect via USB & Bob's your mother's brother |
| 16:59.28 | Sargun | The reason why I say this |
| 16:59.40 | Chocky | snip snip, Bob's your aunty |
| 16:59.41 | Sargun | Stroller, Why do you think I want that? |
| 16:59.41 | Stroller | But, really, edge is good enough for most people |
| 16:59.59 | Stroller | Sargun: because you're asking after a 3G unit |
| 17:00.08 | Sargun | Stroller, When did I say that? |
| 17:00.19 | Stroller | The telit one you link to won't fit inside the case |
| 17:00.38 | Stroller | Sargun: you asked "How difficult would it be to modify the OpenMoko design to work with something like" |
| 17:00.42 | SpeedEvil | I assume Sargun meant a redesign. |
| 17:00.45 | Stroller | Sargun: a USB dongle is easier |
| 17:00.50 | SpeedEvil | Rather than hacking it in. |
| 17:00.51 | Sargun | But I never specified 3G. |
| 17:00.59 | Chocky | replace the battery with a smaller battery + 3G stuff :o |
| 17:01.28 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: because who wants more than 10 munutes of standby anyway :) |
| 17:01.37 | Chocky | correct. |
| 17:01.39 | Stroller | lol |
| 17:01.40 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, I say it because they have the module in two flavors: GSM, and CDMA. |
| 17:01.42 | gmaxwell | hm. does the shipped free runner include a usbserial driver and pppd? |
| 17:01.54 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: yes |
| 17:02.05 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: though I'm unsure of the usbserial on reflection. |
| 17:02.21 | gmaxwell | SpeedEvil, spiffy, if so I can use my usb EVDO card with it. ;) |
| 17:02.21 | Chocky | how does capacity of FR battery compare to for example iPhone or other smartfones? |
| 17:02.28 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: yup. |
| 17:02.28 | SpeedEvil | Battery life at teh moment is very much a work in progress. Currently suspend is broken, so you get 6-12 hours depending on what's on. The hardware appears capable of doing a week standby, with 20 hours mp3, and 5 hours+ talk time. |
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| 17:02.39 | Chocky | spots SpeedPaste |
| 17:02.56 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, Then the OpenMoko could work with multiple networks easily. |
| 17:03.43 | Sargun | CDMA-1xRTT 3?G <--- 1xRTT is NOT 3G. |
| 17:04.37 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: that module is 30*42*6 - counting connectors and mounting hardware, which is about 10% of the volume of the GTA02 |
| 17:04.53 | Chocky | Archimedes test |
| 17:04.53 | gmaxwell | I had around 11 hours runtime on mine yesterday when I found that I'd left it on in my bag and plugged it in... |
| 17:04.59 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: plus, it's much more costly than putting it ont your own board. |
| 17:05.24 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: I'd expect that to put $100 on the price, and a couple of milimeters on the thickness. |
| 17:05.42 | gmaxwell | SpeedEvil, a removable RF deck would be nice for other applications though.. but you're obviously right about the cost/space factors. |
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| 17:07.26 | DaveLab | How'd it go, goodwill? |
| 17:07.46 | thane | Chocky: tnxu for answering my question.. see u |
| 17:07.56 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: that doesn't work. |
| 17:08.21 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: adding modules never works like you might expect at first. |
| 17:09.27 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: You've got extra cost and volume and unreliability in having to oversize the bay for other stuff, in fixing hardware to make it so that the devices don't fall out, in making the slot user accessible, in selling it to users, in user-proofing the interface, in software integration, ... |
| 17:09.40 | Xaos | Let's just replace it all with GNUradio and a bunch of software! |
| 17:09.58 | Sargun | Xaos, GSM/CDMA aren't open |
| 17:09.58 | SpeedEvil | Xaos: and a backpack to hold the battery. |
| 17:10.05 | SpeedEvil | GSM is open. |
| 17:10.11 | Chocky | Xaos: 3 ???? |
| 17:10.15 | Xaos | I know...I was joking... |
| 17:10.16 | Chocky | Xaos: 4 Profit! |
| 17:10.21 | Sargun | oh, yeah, nevermind. |
| 17:10.25 | Xaos | Chocky: exactly! |
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| 17:10.43 | gmaxwell | Xaos, You laugh, but I've already plugged USRP into my FR. ;) .. though ... without a FPU it's simply not going to do anything useful.. alas. |
| 17:10.59 | Xaos | just because we're think the FR is totally awesome as it is doesn't mean we can't work to improve it |
| 17:11.17 | Chocky | FR isn't totally awesone ;p |
| 17:11.21 | Xaos | gmaxwell: LOL...and very cool |
| 17:11.22 | Chocky | still requires mucho work |
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| 17:11.34 | Xaos | yes, but it has potential awesomeness |
| 17:11.41 | Chocky | yessir. |
| 17:12.01 | Chocky | ok, GPS figured out where I _really_ was. |
| 17:12.04 | Chocky | dunno how much time it took |
| 17:12.05 | Xaos | and it IS awesome...I can make phone calls and it's running linux so I can install all sorts of crap on it... |
| 17:12.13 | Chocky | welcomes crap |
| 17:12.54 | Chocky | although there's way too many annoying games in the daily GTK image |
| 17:13.03 | gmaxwell | Xaos: When I first got my GTA01 the dialer didn't work.. but you could make calls by sshing into the phone and using a terminal app to bang the GSM modem around. I was very excited. People looked at me strangely. |
| 17:13.12 | Chocky | gmaxwell: hardcore. |
| 17:13.25 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: cu + terminal let it be portable. |
| 17:13.35 | Chocky | you'd still get strange looks for a $400 phone that has incomplete software. |
| 17:13.43 | nezza-_- | gmaxwell: i did this at zurich airport cause my primary phone was empty |
| 17:13.47 | repeter | hi - i am a casual observerconsidering buying and developing for fr/openmoko. I have been following the development for a long time and I believe the hype, but i think there is one major problem that openmoko has and that is lack of support for opengl. people are just going to start developing for android |
| 17:13.52 | Chocky | omgpnwies!11 it's more expenisve than iPhone! |
| 17:13.54 | Xaos | gmaxwell: that's funny...I probably wouldn't enjoy that as much but I can appreciate it...of course, that's because my wife really wants my RAZR to replace her dying phone |
| 17:14.00 | gmaxwell | (looked at me strangely because I was carrying around my laptop teathered to it so I could dial!) |
| 17:14.11 | Xaos | ROTFLMAO |
| 17:14.14 | Chocky | repeter: best you get started :o |
| 17:14.15 | Xaos | copter |
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| 17:14.48 | Chocky | will sell you his wife's dying RAZR ;p |
| 17:14.49 | Chocky | it's pink! |
| 17:14.53 | gmaxwell | repeter, ... I'm sorry, but most people here probably believe that opengl is insignificant compared to simply being useful as a basic pda/smartphone/mediaplayer. |
| 17:15.15 | Chocky | gmaxwell: yes, but if he wants it, then he should do it. everyone has different priorities |
| 17:15.18 | repeter | you will get that with android phones with the api |
| 17:15.24 | gmaxwell | repeter, the Android vaporware has already slaughtered a sizable amount of development interest, simply by virtue of the google name. |
| 17:15.45 | Chocky | I think Android is a joke, personally, but FR should be able to complete with its alleged features |
| 17:15.54 | repeter | opengl is where android beats openmoko - and i think it will kill openmoko |
| 17:15.55 | gmaxwell | Chocky, sure. I welcome all to work on what interests them. :) |
| 17:16.02 | repeter | it is the last thing i want to see |
| 17:16.05 | SpeedEvil | opengl is _quite_ irrelevant. |
| 17:16.06 | Chocky | OM it's going to be "killed" |
| 17:16.10 | Chocky | er |
| 17:16.12 | mjr | *chuckle* |
| 17:16.13 | Chocky | s/it's/isn't |
| 17:16.19 | repeter | no it isnt |
| 17:16.20 | SpeedEvil | opengl is polish. |
| 17:16.22 | mjr | if OM's going to get killed, it's _not_ because of OpenGL |
| 17:16.24 | SpeedEvil | (at this time) |
| 17:16.28 | Chocky | SpeedEvil: thought it was Danish |
| 17:16.29 | SpeedEvil | OpenGL is polish. |
| 17:16.34 | repeter | there will be a new generation of 3d apps that people will want |
| 17:16.38 | SpeedEvil | OpenGL (hardware) is polish |
| 17:16.40 | repeter | as soon as they start appearing |
| 17:16.40 | gmaxwell | repeter: When can I buy an android phone? ;) |
| 17:16.41 | Chocky | yes, but FR needs lots of polish |
| 17:16.44 | Stroller | repeter: do you have a constructive reason for joining this channel? |
| 17:16.47 | doc|work | repeter: 3d how? |
| 17:17.00 | doc|work | what can 3d add to a phone? rotating cubes? |
| 17:17.05 | SpeedEvil | First the software has to exist - and for that software openGL is just fine. |
| 17:17.08 | repeter | yes - i dearly want to see openmoko work |
| 17:17.16 | Chocky | doc|home: who knows. that's not the point ;-) |
| 17:17.28 | Chocky | senses some animosity |
| 17:17.29 | SpeedEvil | Especially with tiny - 640*480 screens - and comparatively fast processors. |
| 17:17.30 | gmaxwell | repeter, Contributions welcome. ;) |
| 17:17.32 | doc|work | Chocky: I know that there are far higher priority than rotating cubes |
| 17:17.46 | doc|work | *priorities |
| 17:17.58 | Stroller | repeter: well coming in here saying "Android's gonna kill Openmoko, OpenGL is essential" isn't going to provide anything beneficial to the conversation |
| 17:17.59 | repeter | its not rotating cubes its accelerometer based 3d apps |
| 17:18.02 | gmaxwell | waits for the demo that displays a cube that holds still while you rotate the phone around it. ;) |
| 17:18.10 | Chocky | doc|home: priroties are a matter of opinion, and clearly my own are very different to rotating cubes, but this is was OSS is about |
| 17:18.17 | Chocky | s/was/what/ |
| 17:18.34 | Chocky | and in terms of marketing, rotating cubes can be important |
| 17:18.44 | Chocky | esp. if the public focus is indeed Android |
| 17:19.02 | doc|work | Chocky: android doesn't have rotating cubes |
| 17:19.05 | repeter | people will all want slick 3d apps soon |
| 17:19.09 | doc|work | and he still hasn't said why it's important |
| 17:19.11 | Chocky | well then, that's a leg up ;-) |
| 17:19.17 | repeter | look at the iphone |
| 17:19.18 | doc|work | repeter: what apps can be done in 3d? |
| 17:19.19 | mjr | accelerometer-based 3d apps? You mean a marble madness game? |
| 17:19.25 | doc|work | repeter: we're not running blender on the thing |
| 17:19.26 | gmaxwell | repeter, but they may want a working phone/pda/mediaplayer first. .. ;) |
| 17:19.28 | Chocky | if someone is a graphics expert/haxx0r, then more power to them. |
| 17:19.39 | Chocky | people are working on the other stuff. it's all good. |
| 17:19.52 | Chocky | not everyone is able to poke at the kerenl for power saving stuff. |
| 17:19.57 | Chocky | not write python. |
| 17:19.59 | Chocky | nor |
| 17:20.10 | DaveLab | uggh |
| 17:20.20 | Chocky | nor write C :o |
| 17:20.22 | DaveLab | fucking pg |
| 17:21.07 | gmaxwell | Chocky, well. just about everyone *could* learn to do those things. ;) |
| 17:21.20 | Chocky | with application of gun/money, perhaps :o |
| 17:21.39 | Chocky | the only question is what is repeter's contribution, other than having an opinion. |
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| 17:21.49 | repeter | my preferred method of interaction with my technology is the terminal. but the mass market will want nice shiny wobbly spinny apps when they start getting used to them from other phones - eg iphone |
| 17:21.54 | Gnutoo | repeter: did you look at the licenses of most of the android software(but the linux kernel)...it's not copyleft...so the manufacturer of the phone won't give you the sources |
| 17:22.11 | repeter | i know |
| 17:22.11 | gmaxwell | Chocky, contribution? To remind us how poisonous the Google android vaporware has been. |
| 17:22.19 | Chocky | sigh. |
| 17:22.21 | repeter | but they will allow people to program 3d apps |
| 17:22.27 | Chocky | whoosh! |
| 17:22.31 | repeter | which is what will get the market |
| 17:22.41 | Chocky | repeter: so what are you able to do to improve the matter for FR? |
| 17:22.53 | Lo-lan-do | Note to self: disable "dim+lock" when making a phone call, otherwise you'll miss bits. |
| 17:23.09 | repeter | i want openmoko to win over androis - but it won't happen without everyone being able to program 3d apps |
| 17:23.22 | mjr | why the hell would even joe regular users want to use 3d accelerometer controlled apps? (not games, apps) |
| 17:23.28 | Chocky | repeaters the question |
| 17:23.31 | mmontour | is holding out for 4-D hypercube-based apps on his phone |
| 17:23.32 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, would that space addition be required even with the stripping out of the GPS? |
| 17:23.57 | Chocky | suggests everyone take a moment and step back from their warn cosy Linux shell. |
| 17:24.00 | mjr | what does being 3d accelerometer controlled give to the user besides frustration and confusion? |
| 17:24.03 | Chocky | warm |
| 17:24.13 | Chocky | so much anger! |
| 17:24.25 | Chocky | it's like a channel full of Daves |
| 17:24.28 | gmaxwell | mjr, even more exciting ways for the phone to behave when you leave it unlocked in your pocket. ;) |
| 17:24.43 | nuclear_eclipse | gmaxwell: nice :D |
| 17:25.05 | Chocky | repeter: you're still missing my question. Are you _personally_ proposting to do any development that will help 3D on FR? |
| 17:25.10 | Chocky | porposing |
| 17:25.18 | Chocky | sigh. |
| 17:25.44 | SpeedEvil | porpoising? |
| 17:25.58 | SpeedEvil | crashes through the waves, squeeking. |
| 17:25.59 | Chocky | yes, sounds fishy |
| 17:26.01 | mjr | gmaxwell, point, a killer feature right there |
| 17:26.08 | repeter | i want to develop all sorts of stuff. i am willing to donate a lot - i can just see where, if things carry on their current course, openmoko will lose to android |
| 17:26.08 | repeter | 3d streetview gps for instance? |
| 17:26.08 | repeter | 'whizzy' scrolling through your music collection? |
| 17:26.08 | repeter | doom? |
| 17:26.08 | repeter | network 3d games |
| 17:26.10 | repeter | etc etc. its the tip of the iceberg |
| 17:26.12 | gmaxwell | course, it could be said that the "gotta have 3d" mindset without the effort to back it up is why we have a useless graphics chip wasting space in the FR... |
| 17:26.35 | Chocky | repeter: I guessing I'm wasting my time asking again. |
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| 17:26.46 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: GPS uses very little space - the chipset - the problem is the antenna - small antennas are available. |
| 17:26.46 | Chocky | right now, you're just telling others what to do |
| 17:27.01 | gmaxwell | repeater is imagining the holy merger of wiimote and openmoko. :) .. but it's really easy to invent with big concepts like that, much harder to do the actual work. |
| 17:27.26 | Sargun | Hypothetically, if you didn't have the debug interface, how would you go about reading the NAND/SDRAM/NOR Flash |
| 17:27.34 | repeter | i can't improve the matter with regards to opengl except to try to evangelise for either a loosening of the NDA of development of drivers by prople in openmoko |
| 17:27.43 | repeter | people |
| 17:27.46 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf4f65c9a22de 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: [OPENEZX] more call handling tweaks |
| 17:27.48 | Chocky | well, that's something. |
| 17:28.02 | Chocky | the point is that insisting that others do stuff isn't going to curry much favor. |
| 17:28.09 | mjr | repeter, go bug the smedia people then |
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| 17:28.18 | gmaxwell | repeter, because of the bus issues even if there were not NDA issues with the graphics chip it would not be useful for your imagined 3d future. |
| 17:28.33 | Chocky | demands 2.5D |
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| 17:28.57 | Sargun | Could you read the NAND/SDRAM in circuit? |
| 17:28.58 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: ? |
| 17:28.59 | Staticwave_Ace | hello all, does anyone know how to avoid losing the SSH connection during dropbear upgrade? |
| 17:29.02 | repeter | smedia aren't going to loosen things if they have a load of deals with more proprietry companies |
| 17:29.06 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: of course, what do you mean? |
| 17:29.06 | Staticwave_Ace | I can't complete my "opkg upgrade" |
| 17:29.11 | gmaxwell | A 512*512 frame is 786432 bytes.. can't cram many of those down a 7mbyte/sec bus per second. |
| 17:29.16 | Chocky | opkg install dropbear >/dev/null 2>&1 & |
| 17:29.24 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, Let's say I wanted to read the NAND/SDRAM from my dash. |
| 17:29.32 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, how would I go about doing it |
| 17:29.34 | repeter | but the bus will get faster as openmoko matures... |
| 17:29.41 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: oh - dash. |
| 17:29.48 | Chocky | will still drop, but it'll complete properly |
| 17:29.52 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: A) find firmware mode that lets you do it. |
| 17:29.57 | mjr | repeter, are you high? |
| 17:30.00 | Sargun | Can't do it in software. |
| 17:30.02 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: B) Open it up and attach lots and lots of probes. |
| 17:30.04 | repeter | its a matter of getting people developing things - prepare for a few years down the line |
| 17:30.19 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: the probes are expensive. Assuming it uses friendly packages to probing. |
| 17:30.22 | repeter | :) i wish |
| 17:30.29 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: and attach a logic analyser. |
| 17:30.31 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, It uses the same Samsung stuff as the FR |
| 17:30.39 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: that's not quite relevant. |
| 17:30.40 | Chocky | repeter: sorry, bossing people isn't going to work. |
| 17:30.46 | repeter | i am not bossing |
| 17:30.49 | doc|work | repeter: the chip is already operating way beyond its expected capacity |
| 17:30.52 | Staticwave_Ace | Chocky: thanks |
| 17:30.54 | Sargun | The same flash chips. |
| 17:30.57 | Wakko666 | i can't find the info on the wiki... can someone tell me if the FreeRunner is capable of doing GSM 1900? |
| 17:31.03 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: the important bit is what package teh chips are in |
| 17:31.05 | Chocky | you are in effect - insisting people do stuff without any real contribution yourself. |
| 17:31.07 | SpeedEvil | Wakko666: yes |
| 17:31.07 | doc|work | Wakko666: yes, on all versions |
| 17:31.12 | repeter | i am just stating my position |
| 17:31.13 | repeter | no |
| 17:31.17 | Chocky | yes. |
| 17:31.20 | Wakko666 | great... thanks. |
| 17:31.23 | mjr | repeter, fine, you want 3d stuff a few years down the line, start developing. Nobody's stopping you. Perhaps then we have half a chance of an open phone that can do a third of what you want hardware-wise |
| 17:31.23 | Chocky | has been here _many_ times |
| 17:31.34 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: if they are in BGA - the connections are underneath them, so you have to remove it and make it an adaptor. |
| 17:31.39 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, Well, I was wondering how difficult it would be to desolder the flash, and interface it with something else? |
| 17:31.43 | *** part/#openmoko Wakko666 (n=blentz@office.cardomain.com) |
| 17:31.52 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: you mean to read the flash contents? |
| 17:31.58 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, yeah |
| 17:32.10 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: quite easy - any flash programmer device will do that. |
| 17:32.33 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: you then desolder the chip, solder it onto a small board plugged into the programmer, and job done. |
| 17:33.16 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, FBGA |
| 17:33.41 | repeter | people like the iphone because of the slick graphics. it will be the same when some android phones start appearing with opengl - people will start buying them and a lot of developers who could have benn developing for openmoko will develop solely for android because the slick graphics gets joe public |
| 17:33.48 | Chocky | yes, enough already |
| 17:33.52 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: Not really impossible to resolder, but you can't DIY - or you don't want to the first time. |
| 17:34.07 | Chocky | we understand the point, repeating it for the 10th time is just annoying |
| 17:34.08 | SpeedEvil | rep: tehy won't fucking care about openGL if the applications are not ther. |
| 17:34.12 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, I might be able to get a friend who works at Maxim to desolder it |
| 17:34.13 | repeter | ok |
| 17:34.17 | Chocky | it's very simple. if you want it, you'll need to do something about it |
| 17:34.21 | mjr | repeter, yes, let's see how 3d-glitzy their music player will be, shall we. For now, you've stated your piece. |
| 17:34.22 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, he deals with SMT all the time |
| 17:34.34 | repeter | ok - thanks for listening :) |
| 17:34.51 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: It's not especially hard - there may be sockets for flash programmers to do that. |
| 17:35.00 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: or you may need to buy/make a little PCB |
| 17:35.22 | Chocky | is all about opinion and everyone having a contribution, but there comes a time when you need to STFU and do something concrete. |
| 17:35.30 | *** join/#openmoko pazante (n=patrik@user113.77-105-224.netatonce.net) |
| 17:35.49 | Chocky | me included ;-) |
| 17:35.55 | DaveLab | ooh la la |
| 17:36.07 | Chocky | makes an exception for Dave |
| 17:36.49 | doc|work | kelvie: ping? |
| 17:36.49 | Chocky | somene want to wikify that dropbear stuff? |
| 17:36.49 | DaveLab | I don't know what we're talking about, but Excellent! |
| 17:36.51 | mjr | oh especially opinion on fuzzily-justified beliefs about future fads |
| 17:37.01 | DaveLab | heehee, fuzzily |
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| 17:37.04 | Chocky | yes your Excellency |
| 17:37.10 | DaveLab | >:) |
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| 17:38.39 | repeter | fuzzy logic |
| 17:40.50 | DaveLab | dropbears! |
| 17:40.52 | DaveLab | hoenoes |
| 17:40.54 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, Its that or figure out how to JTAG this thing |
| 17:41.15 | Chocky | better than jellybears |
| 17:41.51 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: Find someone with a xray inspection device. Get an image, to trace teh JTAG traps. |
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| 17:44.16 | Sargun | That seems....difficult. |
| 17:44.35 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: Who told you this was easy? |
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| 17:45.07 | *** part/#openmoko blat78 (n=blat78@p5B03C0D3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:46.10 | *** part/#openmoko repeter (i=959d01b4@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b73af62ec9e1c210) |
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| 17:50.19 | feitingen | is it possible to pair bluetooth devices with the openmoko from the command line? |
| 17:50.26 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 17:50.31 | SpeedEvil | google for |
| 17:50.41 | SpeedEvil | openmoko wiki using bluetooth manually |
| 17:50.51 | *** part/#openmoko Lo-lan-do (n=roland@mirenboite.placard.fr.eu.org) |
| 17:50.53 | StealthCP | I am, pretty miffed |
| 17:51.01 | feitingen | thanks :) |
| 17:51.04 | StealthCP | Just had my Freerunner delivered 5 minutes ago |
| 17:51.18 | StealthCP | SpeedEvil, remember I bought it from the US store? |
| 17:51.19 | Chocky | and you haven't opened it yet, but had to come tell us :p |
| 17:51.36 | Chocky | very geek |
| 17:51.37 | *** part/#openmoko taslack (n=Clinton@host-69-146-162-69.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net) |
| 17:51.37 | SpeedEvil | StealthCP: no |
| 17:51.45 | StealthCP | well anyway |
| 17:51.49 | StealthCP | heh, I didn't think, or expect, £60 tax and handling charge |
| 17:52.01 | SpeedEvil | StealthCP: UPS? |
| 17:52.02 | StealthCP | bringing the total for this phone somewhere near £350 :P |
| 17:52.03 | StealthCP | yep |
| 17:52.16 | Stroller | StealthCP: that sucks :( |
| 17:52.19 | SpeedEvil | StealthCP: well - you should have paid VAT - 17.5% and duty - 6% |
| 17:52.21 | doc|work | ups = ass |
| 17:52.22 | Chocky | rip-off Britian |
| 17:52.25 | Chocky | er, Britain |
| 17:52.31 | doc|work | rip-off ups |
| 17:52.35 | Stroller | Duty is 2%, isn't it? |
| 17:52.35 | SpeedEvil | Or 24% |
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| 17:52.49 | SpeedEvil | I thought it was 6%, I may be wrong |
| 17:52.59 | Stroller | StealthCP: now you should know for future when importing from the US |
| 17:53.01 | StealthCP | well, let's see |
| 17:53.07 | StealthCP | of course. |
| 17:53.28 | StealthCP | Well, I'm not too worried, I'm happy with my purchase, whatever the money |
| 17:53.33 | Stroller | Why did you buy from the US, StealthCP? Did you want the US GSM bands? |
| 17:53.42 | StealthCP | and the 850 model will be more useful to me, as I go to the US every year |
| 17:53.53 | StealthCP | yep, pretty much |
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| 17:54.20 | Stroller | Gotya |
| 17:54.28 | Stroller | Nothing you could have done, then. :/ |
| 17:54.30 | SpeedEvil | 900MHz isn't used by some UK networks. |
| 17:54.35 | SpeedEvil | t-mobile for one. |
| 17:54.44 | StealthCP | I've just bought an Orange Pay and Go Sim. |
| 17:54.53 | StealthCP | The deal worked out well for me, and they only use 1600Mhz |
| 17:54.54 | SpeedEvil | I think orange use 900. |
| 17:55.02 | StealthCP | nope. not on their gsm |
| 17:55.09 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 17:55.29 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r67103241c731 10/ (18 files in 6 dirs): ogsmd: rename openezx modem to freescale_neptune |
| 17:55.34 | StealthCP | t-mobile didn't look very good either |
| 17:55.35 | thomasg | but the don't use 1600 mhz |
| 17:56.02 | StealthCP | ok, let's see.. |
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| 17:57.27 | SpeedEvil | StealthCP: t-mobile are good in the UK - for data |
| 17:57.39 | SpeedEvil | StealthCP: 2.50 for 5 days unlimited. |
| 17:57.45 | doc|work | o.O |
| 17:57.51 | doc|work | shakes fist at rogers |
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| 17:58.08 | StealthCP | Orange has much better coverage, GSM and 3G |
| 17:58.28 | StealthCP | T-Mobile do not provide 3G at all in Northern Ireland with the exceptions of Belfast, the main city |
| 17:58.48 | StealthCP | Well regardless, both use the 1800 band, my mistake |
| 17:58.49 | StealthCP | http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_gb.shtml |
| 17:58.54 | StealthCP | that's fine though, |
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| 18:03.11 | DaveLab | shakes his fist at pg |
| 18:03.27 | *** join/#openmoko Yasumoto (n=Yasumoto@unaffiliated/yasumoto) |
| 18:03.37 | Stroller | pg? |
| 18:04.11 | Xaos | pregnant? |
| 18:04.17 | Xaos | postgres? |
| 18:04.27 | CaptObviousman | porn gratis? |
| 18:04.28 | Xaos | pretty girl? |
| 18:04.44 | Xaos | porn gratis would definitely have him "shaking" his "fist" |
| 18:04.58 | Chocky | good grief. |
| 18:05.10 | Yasumoto | does anyone know off-hand how I can interact with the multi-color LED? |
| 18:05.12 | Stroller | I thought it might be Paul Graham |
| 18:05.13 | Xaos | Charlie Brown? |
| 18:05.22 | Chocky | Python Grits |
| 18:05.28 | Yasumoto | (I've heard rumors it exists, so I might be asking a bad question) |
| 18:05.43 | Yasumoto | google's being a tad unhelpful for now :( |
| 18:06.11 | Ainulindale | Yasumoto: the leds on the freerunner you mean ? |
| 18:06.33 | Yasumoto | Ainulindale: exactly |
| 18:06.35 | doc|work | blinkenlights++ |
| 18:06.48 | Ainulindale | Yasumoto: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022051.html |
| 18:06.57 | Ainulindale | (and the corresponding thread) |
| 18:07.08 | feitingen | Yasumoto: i made a few scrips some time ago, let me see if i can find them |
| 18:07.10 | Yasumoto | Ainulindale: sweetness. Thanks a million :) |
| 18:07.23 | LetoTo | got his phone :) |
| 18:07.31 | Yasumoto | feitingen: really? that'd be really helpful |
| 18:07.49 | Xaos | Is there a good scripts repository in the wiki or somewhere where everyone can upload their's for public consumption? |
| 18:07.58 | Xaos | YEAH! LetoTo! |
| 18:08.05 | Chocky | yes, the wiki itself, |
| 18:08.09 | DaveLab | throws a blob at doc |
| 18:08.10 | feitingen | Yasumoto: well, it was basically in the style of the script in the link |
| 18:08.12 | Chocky | And it's "theirs" |
| 18:08.22 | Yasumoto | feitingen: ah, kk |
| 18:08.25 | Xaos | thanks |
| 18:08.30 | Yasumoto | I'm finding some stuff in the thread too |
| 18:08.41 | Yasumoto | feitingen: thanks though |
| 18:08.46 | Xaos | fingers running faster than brain today...CAUSE I'M PLAYING WITH MY FR!!!!! |
| 18:08.48 | feitingen | without the "sleep" part and ran twice for two colors, was fun to watch |
| 18:08.53 | Ainulindale | Yasumoto: you're welcome |
| 18:08.55 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * re67feb4522f6 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: use +COPS with two parameters, works on more platforms |
| 18:08.59 | DaveLab | sends Xaos SIGTRANQ |
| 18:09.04 | Xaos | LOL |
| 18:09.20 | DaveLab | there |
| 18:09.24 | DaveLab | now you will calm down >:) |
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| 18:10.35 | CaptObviousman | investigates this freesmartphone.org thing |
| 18:11.00 | Xaos | I'm calm...really I am....BUT I LOVE THIS DEVICE!!!! IT'S SOOOOO COOL!!!! |
| 18:11.04 | Xaos | ;-) |
| 18:11.10 | Ainulindale | CaptObviousman: Daaah, don't do that, it'll be dead soon enough :-) |
| 18:11.11 | doc|work | seems calm to me |
| 18:11.15 | Xaos | hehe |
| 18:11.26 | awesomo4k | anyone get iwconfig with a wep key to work ? |
| 18:11.36 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: by the way |
| 18:11.45 | Ainulindale | Did you think about multiple SIM cards on FSO ? |
| 18:11.58 | Ainulindale | (the API obviously) |
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| 18:13.24 | Chocky | awesome: yes, if you update your kernel |
| 18:13.44 | Chocky | default image doesn't do it. |
| 18:14.09 | gmaxwell | awesomo4k, wep just kicks an error at me. :( |
| 18:14.20 | awesomo4k | gmaxwell: me too |
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| 18:14.34 | Chocky | uses the awesome strong encryption that is WEP at home |
| 18:14.43 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: Well, API-wise there is nothing that would prevent using two SIMs. We just need to adjust the object paths where we call our options on and remove some hardcoded assumptions that there is a max. of 2 calls in the system etc. |
| 18:14.49 | SpeedEvil | Wire equivalent privacy! |
| 18:14.54 | SpeedEvil | also uses WEP. |
| 18:14.57 | SpeedEvil | With actual wires. |
| 18:15.01 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: Yes, but what about pin registration ? |
| 18:15.07 | Chocky | there is a cheap iClone that takes 2 sims. |
| 18:15.09 | awesomo4k | SpeedEvil: umm how to do that? |
| 18:15.09 | Ainulindale | Would you launch another daemon ? |
| 18:15.16 | Ainulindale | (I'm just curious) |
| 18:15.30 | mickeyl | if we want to do that, we need to add some logic |
| 18:15.35 | mickeyl | QuerySimCards -> ao |
| 18:15.38 | Ainulindale | Because I suppose that if there's two SIM, there's two gs0710muxd |
| 18:15.44 | mickeyl | no |
| 18:15.45 | awesomo4k | oh that was a joke . ha . |
| 18:15.53 | Ainulindale | Oh ? Why is so ? |
| 18:15.54 | mickeyl | SIM is only the access, it doesn't mean you have two modems in there |
| 18:15.59 | awesomo4k | wep is fine as long you can only authenticate to a vpn as soon as you get on the ap |
| 18:16.08 | mickeyl | if we really have two individual modems, then we need to have two low level daemons, right |
| 18:16.09 | Chocky | for some phones, you can get an adapter which lets you physicall plug in both and switch between the two |
| 18:16.10 | Ainulindale | Ok so you could physically register to two networks on the same GSM antenna ? |
| 18:16.23 | Chocky | so the phone only sees one at a time |
| 18:16.30 | SpeedEvil | Ainulindale: antenna, yes |
| 18:16.36 | SpeedEvil | Ainulindale: however, you'd need two radios |
| 18:16.49 | Ainulindale | T-t-t :-) |
| 18:16.57 | Ainulindale | You understood what I said, however in dumb words |
| 18:16.58 | Chocky | WEP is fine as long as everyone in the neighborhood is clueless. not certain, but possible. |
| 18:17.23 | DaveLab | why must people stray from perfectly good standards!? uggh |
| 18:17.28 | CaptObviousman | doesn't run wireless at home, but would probably use openvpn instead of wep/wpa |
| 18:17.32 | mickeyl | has an open network at home |
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| 18:17.41 | bobkare | awesomo4k: depends on what your security needs are though... for many uses an open wireless net is quite fine |
| 18:17.52 | Chocky | I think when I set it up ages ago, WPA wasn't working on all my devices. |
| 18:17.56 | Chocky | and CBA to change it |
| 18:18.16 | DaveLab | mickeyl, it sure makes testing with mobile/new devices a hell of a lot easier ;) |
| 18:18.41 | awesomo4k | gta02 has 3 different distros already. FSO is the one i should be working on right? and it does wep? |
| 18:19.04 | Chocky | latest GTK is the most functional righ tnow |
| 18:19.06 | wurp2|work | awesomo4k: You almost certainly want 2007.2 |
| 18:19.16 | mickeyl | DaveLab: *nod* |
| 18:19.17 | wurp2|work | 2007.2 == GTK, btw |
| 18:19.28 | awesomo4k | gtk as in gnome toolkit ? |
| 18:19.32 | Chocky | yes |
| 18:19.37 | mjr | no, gimp toolkit :þ |
| 18:19.40 | Chocky | as in the non-qtopia daily build |
| 18:19.41 | awesomo4k | oh yeah right |
| 18:19.46 | DaveLab | speaking of gimped out things |
| 18:20.03 | awesomo4k | i have run gimp for 10 years now. i should have remembered |
| 18:20.11 | Chocky | an is a newer version of what you have rightnow |
| 18:20.13 | Chocky | as |
| 18:20.16 | Chocky | er, as in |
| 18:20.21 | DaveLab | whee |
| 18:20.27 | Yasumoto | I can't believe it |
| 18:20.30 | awesomo4k | is there a one-step "from-the-phone" update |
| 18:20.32 | Yasumoto | blinking LEDs |
| 18:20.36 | Yasumoto | awesome |
| 18:20.39 | Yasumoto | thanks guys :) |
| 18:20.46 | DaveLab | RICE IT HARDER! |
| 18:20.48 | summatusmentis | might be of interest http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080715-googles-android-platform-not-so-open-after-all.html |
| 18:20.49 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: oh, another question |
| 18:21.03 | Ainulindale | If I use methods such as SendAuthCode |
| 18:21.12 | Ainulindale | Will I be able to use GetAuthStatus right after that ? |
| 18:21.19 | Chocky | awesomo4k: you can opkg upgrade, but it takes a bit of poking. |
| 18:21.26 | Chocky | should document that process |
| 18:21.46 | DaveLab | prodding |
| 18:21.48 | awesomo4k | i removed my keyboard to put the full qwerty on today and broke it b/c of freetype lib |
| 18:21.50 | DaveLab | tazing |
| 18:21.55 | Chocky | insists upon "poking" |
| 18:22.11 | DaveLab | persists in tranquilizing Xaos |
| 18:23.15 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: absolutely. |
| 18:23.30 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: the API is more or less stateless |
| 18:23.36 | mickeyl | i.e. most of the functions you can call all the time |
| 18:23.51 | mickeyl | you better listen for the status signals though |
| 18:23.56 | mickeyl | you don't want to poll all the time |
| 18:23.57 | Chocky | tires of pasting together URLs that bitchx breaks up |
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| 18:24.41 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: But does it make sense to, say, call the GetAuthStatus method just after the SendAuthCode method ? |
| 18:24.46 | awesomo4k | openandroid.com seems to be a parked site .. for sale |
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| 18:24.58 | Xaos | gets groggy...collapses into a heap on the floor |
| 18:24.58 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: that depends on the control flow of your application |
| 18:25.06 | mickeyl | you need to see two things |
| 18:25.28 | mickeyl | 1.) if SendAuthCode returns with OK, chances are everything is good |
| 18:25.43 | mickeyl | 2.) you will get an AuthStatus signal once auth status changes |
| 18:25.45 | Chocky | well, that only confirms my opinion about Android |
| 18:26.08 | awesomo4k | they never released source for their vm so openmoko got left out from the start.. can't trust that... |
| 18:26.13 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: yep, but say the SendAuthCode has a bad pin |
| 18:26.27 | Ainulindale | Isn't the method supposed to return true ? |
| 18:26.30 | Ainulindale | Or its call |
| 18:26.31 | StealthCP | hmm, my phone turned on when I plugged it into the charger for the first time - is this normal? |
| 18:26.35 | Ainulindale | (No return value as I see it) |
| 18:26.39 | StealthCP | as in a full boot up |
| 18:26.43 | awesomo4k | StealchCP : mine did too |
| 18:26.47 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: no return value does _not_ mean no errors! |
| 18:26.50 | awesomo4k | it kinda surprised me :) |
| 18:26.54 | StealthCP | :P |
| 18:27.02 | StealthCP | I wanted to save the first boot for later |
| 18:27.08 | DaveLab | It is merely indicative of shitty programming. |
| 18:27.11 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: Yep that's what I was saying |
| 18:27.14 | awesomo4k | StealthCP: for your youtube video? |
| 18:27.15 | StealthCP | right. Well I've turned it off, will it still charge? |
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| 18:27.18 | DaveLab | stealthcp - kinky |
| 18:27.24 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: ok, let me try for you on my SIM |
| 18:27.27 | mickeyl | give me a second |
| 18:27.28 | Ainulindale | No return value, so I have to either wait for the status or check it |
| 18:27.45 | mickeyl | no |
| 18:27.47 | StealthCP | nah, I was tempted to record the process of opening the whole thing up and writing my first program and so on, but no-one's interested |
| 18:27.49 | mickeyl | read again |
| 18:27.57 | mickeyl | well, wait a second |
| 18:27.59 | gmaxwell | StealthCP, it will charge |
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| 18:28.14 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: Hmm I must have misunderstood something |
| 18:28.16 | StealthCP | it's as bad as the "I just bought Mario Kart Wii" threads that bombed the forums on the games release |
| 18:28.32 | StealthCP | This phone is a private luxury, I've had to pay dearly for it |
| 18:28.37 | awesomo4k | StealthCP: i'm interested. |
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| 18:28.44 | awesomo4k | what is your dev environment? |
| 18:29.05 | doc|work | StealthCP: someone died? |
| 18:29.27 | DaveLab | >:) |
| 18:29.34 | DaveLab | laughs evilly |
| 18:29.42 | StealthCP | doc|work, not really, but I've been kicked out of the house for that |
| 18:29.42 | awesomo4k | there's definitely hurdles but compared to things like getting a qualcomm dev. license its still... better? (hope) |
| 18:29.47 | doc|work | has a hit out on the UPS person who delayed his freerunner for a day |
| 18:30.07 | doc|work | StealthCP: kicked out? |
| 18:30.09 | DaveLab | :D |
| 18:30.26 | awesomo4k | sees headline: Man Goes Homeless For Neo FreeRunner |
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| 18:30.31 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: (I'm just looking for best practices by the way) |
| 18:30.33 | doc|work | awesomo4k: haha |
| 18:31.02 | StealthCP | I was lent money to go towards a ticket for the Oxegen concert from my parents, even after telling them I didn't need it, I had payed it off, but they insisted, so I put it towards a Freerunner, they found out about 15 minutes ago, and I'm sitting in McDonald's currently, using their free WiFi on my EeePC |
| 18:31.04 | DaveLab | [[Will drop pants for Freerunner] |
| 18:31.04 | Xaos | I'm just waiting to see how many people come up and ask me what that elongated hockey puck of a device is |
| 18:31.05 | MarcOChapeau | damn, I missed all the fun... I had auto join off.... |
| 18:31.46 | StealthCP | It's pretty much like I stole a gold brick and am on the run, but I feel the conclusion has been pretty dramatic |
| 18:31.49 | DaveLab | Xaos, whore :p |
| 18:31.52 | doc|work | StealthCP: oxegen in Ireland? |
| 18:32.02 | DaveLab | Stealth, blog it, baby! |
| 18:32.05 | StealthCP | yup. Which I've just returned form on Monday |
| 18:32.07 | DaveLab | or create a wiki page |
| 18:32.12 | doc|work | StealthCP: hahaha |
| 18:32.18 | StealthCP | I have to say it was quite the experience too :P |
| 18:32.35 | StealthCP | Returning to the real world has been quite the downward turn |
| 18:32.38 | DaveLab | starts one on Nefarious Freerunner Uses |
| 18:32.55 | doc|work | StealthCP: you should have said you put your money to the freerunner and then spent the money they gave you paying off the ticket |
| 18:32.57 | awesomo4k | StealthCP ... your parents should be proud of you. you admirably traded money for a fleeting music festival to advance the sciences. they should be buying your mcdonalds |
| 18:32.57 | DaveLab | Isn't it always ;) |
| 18:32.58 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: here we are |
| 18:32.59 | doc|work | technicalities++ |
| 18:33.00 | mickeyl | http://rafb.net/p/1Sd16D30.html |
| 18:33.09 | StealthCP | xD |
| 18:33.10 | mickeyl | as you can see, you get a nice error, if the SIM PIN is not accepted :) |
| 18:33.20 | DaveLab | More carginogen sticks please! |
| 18:33.22 | DaveLab | I mean, fries. |
| 18:33.29 | StealthCP | heh, ok, how long should I leave this in the charger for? |
| 18:33.39 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: Oh, okay |
| 18:33.43 | StealthCP | I work in this McDonald's, so I can stay till 11 if desired |
| 18:33.45 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: Didn't see that that way |
| 18:33.50 | StealthCP | it's off the wall charger, first charge |
| 18:33.53 | doc|work | StealthCP: I got too sick of oxegen/witnness, went to the first one, 2nd one,4th one and one before this one. Last one was my last one. People were set on fire in their tents ffs. |
| 18:33.53 | awesomo4k | took mine out to the bar last night and got asked if it was a new gameboy |
| 18:33.56 | mickeyl | We have a couple of methods without return values, but they can raise errors fine |
| 18:34.11 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: so where could I see the potential errors ? |
| 18:34.21 | mickeyl | ah, that's unfair |
| 18:34.28 | StealthCP | Yep. I happened to own a tent that was set on fire. |
| 18:34.31 | doc|work | StealthCP: started out with a great atmosphere the first year and has been going downhill ever since. |
| 18:34.34 | mickeyl | i did not have time to do the error specification :/ |
| 18:34.43 | doc|work | StealthCP: be happy you weren't inside it |
| 18:34.43 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: I would have guessed :-) |
| 18:34.44 | StealthCP | and got pick pocketed twice, they got nothing though, and one of them got a nice headbutt |
| 18:34.52 | doc|work | StealthCP: good work |
| 18:34.56 | StealthCP | thanks |
| 18:34.57 | doc|work | scumbags |
| 18:34.57 | StealthCP | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Charging_the_Neo_Freerunner |
| 18:35.04 | StealthCP | I ask if there is a typo |
| 18:35.10 | StealthCP | 1000mA? |
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| 18:35.48 | StealthCP | because below it then mentions charging times at 100mA, and I'm not fully sure what um, power it charges at |
| 18:36.01 | dlowe | StealthCP: I was wondering about that as well |
| 18:36.20 | wurp2|work | StealthCP: Both values are valid charge rates |
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| 18:36.29 | doc|work | StealthCP: that seems right |
| 18:36.30 | wurp2|work | StealthCP: 100 mA is the "slow charge" on both gta01 & 02 |
| 18:36.35 | dlowe | "all three values"? |
| 18:36.49 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: So I suppose I'll have to explore the sources ? |
| 18:36.50 | wurp2|work | 500 mA is fast_cccv on gta01 & valid on 02 |
| 18:36.59 | Stroller | StealthCP: no, that's right. Using the wall-charger |
| 18:37.04 | wurp2|work | and 1000 mA (1A) is supahfast! (TM) rate on FR |
| 18:37.14 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: yes. most error handling is generic though, it sits in one method, translating from CME and CMS errors into DbusErrors |
| 18:37.16 | wurp2|work | when using the supahfast! (TM) FR charger |
| 18:37.22 | mickeyl | for all others you have to check the mediator.py file |
| 18:37.29 | StealthCP | wurp2|work, elaborate |
| 18:37.31 | mickeyl | and scan for self._error() calls |
| 18:37.36 | StealthCP | wth is the supahfast! (TM) FR charger? |
| 18:37.37 | wurp2|work | StealthCP: ? |
| 18:37.45 | wurp2|work | The charger you get with the phone |
| 18:37.54 | wurp2|work | and some BS I injected to make it exciting! (TM) |
| 18:37.56 | StealthCP | oh, god stuff |
| 18:37.59 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: would you be so kind as to point me out to the sources ? |
| 18:38.05 | StealthCP | so it'll only take about an hour to fully charge? |
| 18:38.05 | Ainulindale | Or am I asking too much ? :-) |
| 18:38.08 | Ainulindale | *deer eyes* |
| 18:38.31 | mickeyl | http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/error.py;h=6c503f47b736ad48cea1c343d7a8eb537cad1e5a;hb=e67feb4522f606f9567dcfaf19ba5bb4cb90c90c |
| 18:38.35 | mickeyl | overview for errors |
| 18:38.47 | mickeyl | http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py;h=4293e536465caab99015e94b5ed5901feec5b940;hb=e67feb4522f606f9567dcfaf19ba5bb4cb90c90c |
| 18:38.59 | mickeyl | check for self._error here |
| 18:39.04 | mickeyl | that should get you started |
| 18:39.05 | Ainulindale | My hero ! :-) |
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| 18:39.21 | mickeyl | at your service. |
| 18:39.39 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: As we'll advance in our project though (which is pretty well defined I think), I would be glad if you looked at it again and give your advice |
| 18:39.57 | awesomo4k | Ainulindale: what project is it... i'm a pythoneer |
| 18:40.00 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: because as we moved from a wrapper to a daemon replacing phone-kit for calls |
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| 18:40.06 | Ainulindale | We moved from python to C |
| 18:40.22 | Ainulindale | (in order to be able to copy easily old phonekit UIs) |
| 18:40.54 | mickeyl | sure thing. i can take a look, but not before next week. things are kind of hectic here atm. |
| 18:40.59 | Ainulindale | No problem with that |
| 18:41.23 | Hydrant | hey all... is there a SIP client that can work with the freerunner ? |
| 18:41.24 | Stroller | Ainulindale: what is your project? |
| 18:41.44 | Ainulindale | SHR port of phone-kit |
| 18:41.51 | awesomo4k | SHR ==? |
| 18:42.05 | Stroller | Stable Hybrid Release |
| 18:42.22 | Ainulindale | ~SHR |
| 18:42.23 | apt | i guess shr is Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 18:42.38 | awesomo4k | oh sweet jeezus... another distro ? |
| 18:43.15 | awesomo4k | 's head asplodes. |
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| 18:43.16 | gmaxwell | One distro to rule them all. |
| 18:43.27 | awesomo4k | reading now... i think i like your idea with this one the best so far... you're integrating the best from each of the existing? |
| 18:43.34 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 18:43.51 | awesomo4k | perfect. i was secretly jealous of parts of all the distros and was hoping someone would do that |
| 18:44.08 | StealthCP | ok, if I was reflashing the phone with more up to date software / an image / etc. can someone recommend where to start? |
| 18:44.20 | gmaxwell | I thought SHR was the agreed upon way forward(tm)... |
| 18:44.30 | awesomo4k | StealthCP -- using the eepc ? |
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| 18:45.03 | SpeedEvil | FSO is the way forward AIUI |
| 18:45.09 | StealthCP | yup. I'll be using that. It is running an up to date Linux distro |
| 18:45.22 | StealthCP | I am not running X, so I'll need to use console tools if possible |
| 18:45.23 | SpeedEvil | SHR is a 'lets' se how fast wer can get it hacked togehter' |
| 18:45.24 | awesomo4k | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko |
| 18:45.44 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03mickey * r4530 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (ChangeLog configure.ac): openmoko-appmanager2: fix libopkg test |
| 18:46.29 | dlowe | I remain unconvinced of the utility of FSO or Qtopia. There's still a lot that could be done with the GTK software. |
| 18:46.30 | awesomo4k | in short, get a an image, put the phone in flash mode by holding AUX and pressing power, then use dfu-util to transfer |
| 18:46.34 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * rd355f641ba29 10/src/server/phone/callscreen/semithemed/callscreen.cpp: [callscreen] On the first outgoing call allow to queue a number |
| 18:46.34 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * rf929be99911d 10/etc/themes/finxi/callscreen.xml: [theme] Change the callscreen theme so Show Keypad and End Call are next to each other |
| 18:46.54 | Chocky | dlowe: aye |
| 18:47.29 | StealthCP | awesomo4k, what should I go for? Stable? Daily images? |
| 18:47.34 | wurp2|work | SpeedEvil: That's what it is for the first release, but we do hope to slow down & make it more "right" as time goes on. And, in fact, so far we're not doing anything code-wise that is a rush job on SHR |
| 18:47.50 | wurp2|work | SpeedEvil: No matter how much I've tried to make that happen, there's always a reason we have to do it right ;-) |
| 18:47.53 | StealthCP | I want things to work a lot, but an old image, or the one that's on it might have some things missing, right? |
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| 18:48.11 | wurp2|work | SpeedEvil: Although the release process will be very much a "let's see how fast we can hack it together" :-/ |
| 18:48.16 | Chocky | StealthCP: daily is best. |
| 18:48.34 | Chocky | doesn't mean it all works of course |
| 18:48.37 | lpotter | wishes people would stop calling ASU qtopia... |
| 18:48.53 | StealthCP | Well I'll do daily and update perhaps twice a month or so |
| 18:48.59 | SpeedEvil | ASU is clearly GEM based. |
| 18:49.00 | summatusmentis | they're the same thing right? :-P |
| 18:49.05 | Chocky | laffs. |
| 18:49.05 | StealthCP | Don't want to wear out the flash memory |
| 18:49.21 | wurp2|work | lpotter: I don't blame you ;-) |
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| 18:49.55 | Chocky | Fire! |
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| 18:50.02 | StealthCP | I'm guessing with the wall charger, at 1000mA, I charge this thing for what, an hour? |
| 18:50.11 | doc|work | StealthCP: about that |
| 18:50.12 | macdonalder | light entertainment... http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 |
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| 18:52.48 | tedo | macdonalder: thx for the link :) |
| 18:52.55 | MarcOChapeau | macdonalder: that's a nice one indeed |
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| 18:53.25 | MarcOChapeau | I don't always agree with Torvalds, but he has a very good point there |
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| 18:53.29 | awesomo4k | linus is starting a flame war with that one |
| 18:53.35 | Chocky | good |
| 18:54.11 | Chocky | likewise, Linus is _important_, but no more so than other people who are important |
| 18:54.19 | doc|work | meh, I'd always fix security bugs before other bugs |
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| 18:54.59 | johnsu01 | that depends what you are trying to secure I suppose |
| 18:55.05 | Chocky | my sanity |
| 18:55.18 | macdonalder | my interest was more in him calling the OpenBSD crowd masturbating monkeys |
| 18:55.20 | doc|work | Chocky = windows |
| 18:55.26 | macdonalder | I giggled |
| 18:55.28 | Chocky | is not. |
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| 18:55.35 | wurp2|work | I think he means to say security is no *more* important than other things that are important |
| 18:55.53 | wurp2|work | And I disagree, security is no more important than other things that are as important as security ;-) |
| 18:55.57 | gmaxwell | doc|work, You fix high severity bugs before other bugs.. Real security bugs are high severity. |
| 18:56.06 | doc|work | gmaxwell: exactly |
| 18:56.07 | Hydrant | what's the most stable distro right now? I'm using qtopia |
| 18:56.11 | wurp2|work | But it's much more important than many things |
| 18:56.18 | doc|work | wurp2|work: right :) |
| 18:56.21 | wurp2|work | Hydrant: Are you using qtopia, or ASU? |
| 18:56.26 | doc|work | so, er, what's his point? :) |
| 18:56.30 | Hydrant | wurp2|work: qtopia |
| 18:56.31 | gmaxwell | doc|work, if you had a bug that corrupted user data silently .. you wouldn't likely prioritize some exploit over it.. you'd just fix both. :) |
| 18:56.35 | Xaos | I'm currently running the scaredycat image of the GTK builds...seems ok so far |
| 18:56.56 | Hydrant | wurp2|work: I was under the impression that the ASU would have been updated only last April |
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| 18:57.03 | doc|work | gmaxwell: true |
| 18:57.06 | wurp2|work | Hydrant: FSO will give you more battery life, but I think Qtopia gsm should be perfectly stable... |
| 18:57.20 | wurp2|work | Hydrant: ASU is poorly named |
| 18:57.20 | Hydrant | yah, I've used it for some calls |
| 18:57.25 | Hydrant | I want to do some developmet |
| 18:57.27 | Hydrant | *development |
| 18:57.37 | Maybelline | can anyone point me to a HOWTO on booting from sd? I've tried http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card, but I get a kernel panic regarding mounting the vfs. |
| 18:57.41 | Xaos | ASU now equals August Software Update |
| 18:57.45 | Hydrant | just something simple... but it's so sweet that it's Linux, because I can actually just contribute without learning all this junk |
| 18:58.04 | awesomo4k | yeah this post is definitely flame bait. linux has a poor security record compared to openbsd. |
| 18:58.04 | wurp2|work | Hydrant: 2007.2 gsm is not perfectly stable. I have a gta01, so others can prolly tell you if the latest 2007.2 is good for FR |
| 18:58.30 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * rfe73d98e40ff 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/keyboard.cpp: [keyboard] Catch up with the API change of pred.h |
| 18:58.40 | Hydrant | wurp2|work: 2007.2 seems old.... how functional is ASU in comparison to Qtopia ? |
| 18:58.52 | wurp2|work | Hydrant: Not at all functional, last I heard |
| 18:59.02 | mickeyl | 2007.2 is not 2007.02 |
| 18:59.03 | wurp2|work | 2007.2 is old but good ;-) |
| 18:59.08 | mickeyl | it's not that old |
| 18:59.15 | Hydrant | wurp2|work: k... thx |
| 18:59.21 | Hydrant | my phone works, now I'm trying to do more |
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| 19:00.01 | wurp2|work | Yeah, I have no idea the logic behind the naming of 2007.2... it was the main distro until April |
| 19:00.07 | wurp2|work | Hydrant: welcome |
| 19:00.07 | Hydrant | I want to setup something in Qtopia to switch between VoIP and normal phone... so I want to get a good data plan, and rig the dialpad to only use voip for calls... then setup an app on the menu for the cellular call feature, in case I need 911 or the voip server is down |
| 19:00.38 | Hydrant | I calculated I just have to use the phone for 82 minutes for that to be a better option |
| 19:01.46 | wurp2|work | Hydrant: But how long do you have to use the phone to pay for your dev time ;-) |
| 19:02.06 | Hydrant | wurp2|work: meh... I'm not rich, so not a good analogy |
| 19:02.17 | Hydrant | wurp2|work: that assumes falsely that I make money all the time |
| 19:02.48 | wurp2|work | Hydrant: Or that your leisure time is worth more to you than the money you would make at work |
| 19:02.58 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5e0e936f418c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade stable kernel to get some more suspend/resume fixes |
| 19:02.58 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra5d613bbd0ca 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia for some cosmetic changes |
| 19:03.03 | wurp2|work | And that you don't enjoy time spend developing for the phone, so it may well be false :-) |
| 19:03.05 | SpeedEvil | And that dev time is not fun. |
| 19:03.07 | Hydrant | leisure time? ha.. too much of a nerd for that |
| 19:03.09 | wurp2|work | s/spend/spent/ |
| 19:03.26 | Hydrant | I'm sure others would use what I use anyways |
| 19:03.29 | doc|work | http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0715/laser.html <- don't start at the pointer laser :) |
| 19:03.40 | Hydrant | I think being able to use it as a wireless voip phone would be sweet |
| 19:03.53 | Hydrant | speaking of which... wireless setup really sucks... I hope qtopia is gonna do something about that |
| 19:04.00 | Chocky | yes, a guy round here got arreseted for shining one at a police helicopter |
| 19:04.05 | Hydrant | what is the most active distro btw ? |
| 19:04.16 | MarcOChapeau | SHR ;-) |
| 19:04.19 | Chocky | Debian! |
| 19:04.56 | Hydrant | I thought SHR wasn't out yet / stable ? Is it qtopia based ? |
| 19:05.35 | MarcOChapeau | Hydrant: I didn't say it was out. but it's certainly very active :-) |
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| 19:05.53 | Hydrant | MarcOChapeau: what's it like? |
| 19:05.57 | MarcOChapeau | great |
| 19:06.07 | wurp2|work | Hydrant: 2007.2, but running on the FSO backbone |
| 19:06.10 | MarcOChapeau | and totally unusable as is |
| 19:06.16 | wurp2|work | So calls are stable and you can suspend/resume |
| 19:06.25 | MarcOChapeau | wurp2|work: that's the theory |
| 19:06.29 | wurp2|work | With mwester's patches integrated |
| 19:06.35 | Hydrant | what's the point of suspend / resume? |
| 19:06.47 | Chocky | more than 1 hour of battery life |
| 19:06.48 | MarcOChapeau | ok, I didn't apply mwester's stuff yet |
| 19:06.48 | wurp2|work | Hydrant: So your phone doesn't run out of battery in 5-6 hours? |
| 19:06.58 | Hydrant | hrrm |
| 19:07.15 | wurp2|work | MarcOChapeau: Yeah, but SHR isn't out at all yet, so all we can talk about is our target ;-) |
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| 19:07.44 | MarcOChapeau | that sounds very much like windows XP |
| 19:07.47 | MarcOChapeau | oh wait |
| 19:07.53 | MarcOChapeau | windows XP is out ? |
| 19:08.14 | Hydrant | MarcOChapeau: wouldn't know, never used it... is that a version of X windows ? |
| 19:08.16 | wurp2|work | We have 2007.2 apps running on FSO, we just need to finish porting the dialer & gsm-panel to use FSO dbus |
| 19:08.31 | Hydrant | so if SHR is so active... what's the deal with it... why is that the one distro to rule them all ? |
| 19:08.34 | wurp2|work | and do various little clean-up stuff :-/ |
| 19:08.54 | MarcOChapeau | Hydrant: I heard it was how XFree86 finished it's life |
| 19:08.58 | Chocky | it's not Debian |
| 19:09.04 | Chocky | Marcel_M: its |
| 19:09.07 | Chocky | er |
| 19:09.10 | Chocky | Marco |
| 19:09.15 | wurp2|work | Hydrant: Just because it takes the one distro with lots of nice apps for the neos and puts it on the one distro with stable calls & good suspend/resume |
| 19:09.18 | Hydrant | MarcOChapeau: hahaha |
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| 19:09.44 | Hydrant | what would I use to program SHR? GTK? QT? |
| 19:10.02 | wurp2|work | Hydrant: To start with, GTK |
| 19:10.03 | Hydrant | Is this going to end up being another stupid war where there is Gnome / KDE but on the mobile device now ? |
| 19:10.25 | Chocky | yes. |
| 19:10.30 | wurp2|work | Later (after we pull in the ASU ports of various UI toolkits) it should be open |
| 19:10.34 | MarcOChapeau | exactly |
| 19:10.36 | feitingen | Hydrant: go EFL |
| 19:10.58 | Hydrant | feitingen: EFL ? |
| 19:11.12 | wurp2|work | I would love for SHR to go away, because OM recognized that 2007.2 has lots of functionality already and FSO has a good back-end for calling |
| 19:11.33 | Hydrant | there is nothing wrong with programming evolution... open source is basically natural selection |
| 19:11.39 | wurp2|work | Or because ASU has all the 2007.2 functionality and has been ported to run on frameworkd |
| 19:11.40 | feitingen | enlightenment foundation libraries, it is faster than gtk |
| 19:11.41 | Hydrant | so long as the new distro has something to offer |
| 19:12.07 | Hydrant | I dont' want to learn 60 new UI frameworks :-( |
| 19:12.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r045b0697fa5b 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [qtopia] Use packagearch all for the openmoko profile data |
| 19:12.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rec0e4198bafe 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade stable kernel to get some more suspend/resume fixes |
| 19:12.12 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2349540d3883 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia for some cosmetic changes |
| 19:12.15 | Hydrant | Let's all just go MFC and Win32 |
| 19:12.26 | Chocky | WinCE! |
| 19:12.44 | Chocky | that's somewhat open |
| 19:13.22 | fuzzyt | Chocky: With about 40 NDAs and a GUN to your HEAD. :) |
| 19:13.22 | Hydrant | oh, good idea |
| 19:13.29 | Chocky | sweet |
| 19:13.44 | Chocky | nothing like a bit of encourgement |
| 19:13.52 | fuzzyt | :) |
| 19:13.57 | Hydrant | we can make a winCE emulator |
| 19:14.07 | Chocky | "I always found that a gun and a strong work was more effetive than just a strong word" |
| 19:14.10 | Hydrant | just boot up... show a blue screen and say "your phone has performed an illegal operation..." |
| 19:14.12 | Hydrant | people would love it |
| 19:14.12 | Chocky | strong word |
| 19:15.27 | feitingen | of course, people bought windows 95, didnt they? |
| 19:15.39 | sparrow | Hydrant - I would love to also see if force a vista install onto any non-windows computers you connect it to ;) |
| 19:15.53 | sparrow | s/if/it |
| 19:15.55 | Hydrant | oh, that's an awesome idea |
| 19:15.58 | Hydrant | oh, question |
| 19:16.09 | Hydrant | does the openmoko have a USB host? |
| 19:16.13 | Chocky | yes |
| 19:16.17 | sparrow | yup |
| 19:16.17 | Hydrant | so can you plugin say a mouse to the freerunner ? |
| 19:16.19 | Hydrant | really |
| 19:16.24 | Hydrant | I know someone who really would want it now |
| 19:16.24 | Chocky | there's no doubt that FR would run WinCE, if someone made the effort. |
| 19:16.42 | Hydrant | Chocky: good for them... may they enjoy crashes and resets |
| 19:16.47 | feitingen | Hydrant: i used it with a bluetooth mouse |
| 19:16.56 | Hydrant | not bluetooth though, USB |
| 19:16.57 | Chocky | actually, WinCE is a remarkably stable platform |
| 19:17.05 | Chocky | more so than desktop versions |
| 19:17.10 | Chocky | not defending it, just saying |
| 19:17.17 | sparrow | Hydrant - http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080716 |
| 19:17.21 | Chocky | almost all GPS devices run WinCE. TomTom is an exception |
| 19:17.42 | sparrow | Hydrant - That is a keyboard, but a mouse would be much the same. |
| 19:18.31 | Hydrant | nice |
| 19:18.36 | Hydrant | I was showing this to Steve Mann the other day, he wants to build a lot of stuff with it |
| 19:18.59 | sparrow | Hydrant - The guy from u of t? |
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| 19:19.13 | Hydrant | sparrow: that's the one |
| 19:19.16 | doc|work | damn it |
| 19:19.19 | Hydrant | sparrow: he's my landlord |
| 19:19.21 | doc|work | where's my freerunner!? |
| 19:19.26 | sparrow | He is nuts (in a good way) =) |
| 19:19.36 | Hydrant | sparrow: preaching to the choir! |
| 19:19.53 | kduboi1 | in building the fso, in the bitbake local.conf file, what should MACHINE be for the freerunner? |
| 19:21.11 | Hydrant | Steve was talking about having students do projects with the FR at U of T |
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| 19:21.30 | Hydrant | he was really excited about it... he wants a camera in it... isn't the next version of the openmoko going to have a camera? |
| 19:21.40 | Hydrant | He was suggesting he could get involved in the project to help with the hardware design |
| 19:23.32 | sparrow | Hydrant - I spoke with him at u of bc (At least that is where I think it was) several years ago when I was giving a lecture on personal device security. Very intense, with some very cools ideas on ar. |
| 19:23.59 | Hydrant | ar ? |
| 19:24.06 | *** join/#openmoko Stroller (n=Stroller@213-152-39-89.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) |
| 19:24.07 | sparrow | Augmented reality |
| 19:24.11 | Hydrant | ah |
| 19:24.21 | MarcOChapeau | is that a module for ASU |
| 19:24.23 | MarcOChapeau | ? |
| 19:24.23 | Hydrant | we've been talking about building some device to help with my colorblindness |
| 19:24.38 | Chocky | coloured lenses |
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| 19:25.41 | StealthCP | hmm, is virtualization out of the question as far as the FreeRunner goes? |
| 19:25.49 | Chocky | meaning what? |
| 19:25.49 | StealthCP | I'm talking about running virtual machines on it |
| 19:25.58 | Chocky | you're welcome to run emulators on it |
| 19:26.07 | Chocky | you'll have to be more specific |
| 19:26.13 | wurp2|work | Hydrant: That's frikking awesome, being Steve Mann's tenant! |
| 19:26.26 | Hydrant | wurp2|work: not as awesome as you think |
| 19:26.28 | feitingen | StealthCP: are you talking 8085 ir i386? |
| 19:26.31 | Hydrant | he always wants to invent something |
| 19:26.35 | wurp2|work | hah |
| 19:26.35 | feitingen | or* |
| 19:26.41 | wurp2|work | Hydrant: Well, let him |
| 19:26.41 | MarcOChapeau | emulation ??? |
| 19:26.48 | Chocky | !!! |
| 19:26.51 | Hydrant | but yah, he's super jealous of my FR |
| 19:26.59 | MarcOChapeau | ok, then I'll start a gentoo on freerunner project... |
| 19:27.05 | wurp2|work | They *are* available for sale... |
| 19:27.08 | Hydrant | MarcOChapeau: oooh, awesome |
| 19:27.15 | Chocky | oh gawd. not Gentoo |
| 19:27.20 | StealthCP | I was thinking more along the lines of running XP within a virtual machine, on the Freerunner |
| 19:27.22 | Hydrant | well, he wants a camera in it |
| 19:27.26 | doc|work | Chocky: respect your elders |
| 19:27.39 | Chocky | Steath: and exactly how fast did you expect x86 emulation to run? |
| 19:27.39 | MarcOChapeau | Chocky: sorry, that's for people who understand what they're doing only :-) |
| 19:27.54 | doc|work | hehe |
| 19:27.55 | Chocky | you could run DOSBox ok. |
| 19:27.59 | StealthCP | That's my point precisely. Is is out of the question? |
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| 19:28.04 | StealthCP | heh. well yes |
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| 19:28.16 | *** part/#openmoko Tob1 (n=tobi@p5B006181.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:28.20 | MarcOChapeau | StealthCP: honnestly, you might be disapointed |
| 19:28.21 | Chocky | but it's not really a point, since it's such a broad question. |
| 19:28.31 | doc|work | StealthCP: would you run xp on a 400mhz pc? arm is slower than a 400mhz pc, then add emulation overhead |
| 19:28.33 | feitingen | StealthCP: the cpu on the freerunner is 400Mhz and i think it is without a FPU. running xp on the thing emulated will suck. |
| 19:28.38 | Chocky | yes, it's out of the question to run XP. yes, can run various emulators. |
| 19:29.15 | fuzzyt | nintendo emulator?!? :) jk |
| 19:29.15 | StealthCP | Yeah, I'm thinking that, and I realize the heap. I just wanted to se something fun run on it like such, don't spoil my thoughts |
| 19:29.24 | MarcOChapeau | a NES emulator might work |
| 19:29.34 | MarcOChapeau | gameboy could work also |
| 19:29.42 | StealthCP | indeed, those would be interesting |
| 19:29.50 | fuzzyt | don't tell my kids! |
| 19:29.51 | Chocky | stupid VMWare have been using meaningless buzzwords like "virtualization", when what they really mean is a specific situation for running Windows under x86 emulation |
| 19:30.06 | StealthCP | with nothing but a touchscreen and 3d accelerometers for movement, the usefulness is obviously limited :) |
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| 19:30.15 | MarcOChapeau | StealthCP: linux versions exist. you could try porting on arm. then again, where are the buttons ? |
| 19:30.21 | Chocky | there are endless Linux emulators that will work on FR |
| 19:30.33 | Chocky | input problems aside |
| 19:30.49 | StealthCP | will it run Quake? :D |
| 19:30.56 | Chocky | probably the Debian armel packaged versions will work without too much hassle |
| 19:30.58 | Chocky | Q1 maybe |
| 19:31.23 | StealthCP | possibly, that's what I was thinking. No, I was just thinking of some ideas for what I could run on it |
| 19:31.32 | MarcOChapeau | bluetoof paddle anyone ? |
| 19:31.38 | StealthCP | not for purpose or development, the 'kicks' aspect of it |
| 19:31.53 | Hydrant | so what's the deal with the GPS? |
| 19:31.59 | kdub | can anyone help me build the FSO? |
| 19:32.01 | Hydrant | does it actually work without the sim card ? |
| 19:32.10 | MarcOChapeau | Hydrant: great |
| 19:32.17 | doc|work | Hydrant: microsd card, not sim card |
| 19:32.18 | MarcOChapeau | Hydrant: surprising difference |
| 19:32.22 | Hydrant | haha |
| 19:32.23 | Hydrant | right |
| 19:32.28 | Hydrant | I'm new to all this stuff |
| 19:32.35 | doc|work | :) |
| 19:32.45 | Hydrant | I'm not a phone guy, a Linux guy... but I will help Linux take over a new market :-) |
| 19:32.53 | *** join/#openmoko Lo-lan-do (n=roland@mirenboite.placard.fr.eu.org) |
| 19:33.10 | kdub | Hydrant: i feel the same way :P |
| 19:33.20 | Lo-lan-do | Anyone knows how to use GConf from Python on OM2007.2? |
| 19:33.28 | feitingen | a friend of mine fed the gps some data, and it seemed to be able to get a fix very quick |
| 19:33.34 | Lo-lan-do | (Apart from speaking DBus directly) |
| 19:33.39 | MarcOChapeau | Lo-lan-do: the same way than you would on a PC I guess ? |
| 19:33.52 | CaptObviousman | zomg Feds? |
| 19:33.55 | CaptObviousman | runs the opposite way |
| 19:34.01 | cjb | Lo-lan-do: import gconf; dir(gconf); help(gconf.XXX); is often a good start. |
| 19:34.04 | Lo-lan-do | MarcOChapeau: No python-gconf package available, apparently. |
| 19:34.31 | Lo-lan-do | I should have said that right away, I guess :-) |
| 19:34.33 | MarcOChapeau | Lo-lan-do: there is gconf, there is python. you basically have all the deps already ported :-) |
| 19:34.34 | cjb | Lo-lan-do: oh. then you can't, unless you install it, sounds like. |
| 19:34.43 | Lo-lan-do | Hmm. |
| 19:34.54 | Lo-lan-do | Ah, I'll concentrate on the rest of my script for now. |
| 19:35.32 | *** join/#openmoko hklein_ (n=hklein@i59F74419.versanet.de) |
| 19:35.40 | Lo-lan-do | I'm trying to write something that will disable suspend when I make or receive a call, and re-enable it when the call ends, if it was on previously. |
| 19:35.46 | *** join/#openmoko margiolas (n=chris@athedsl-4421039.home.otenet.gr) |
| 19:36.04 | Lo-lan-do | Otherwise the phone suspends, so you miss part of the conversation, and apparently the microphone doesn't work on resume. |
| 19:36.15 | margiolas | hello wich is the price for the freerunner? |
| 19:36.22 | Chocky | all of them |
| 19:36.30 | fuzzyt | $400 |
| 19:36.32 | Chocky | the FR is $400 + shipping |
| 19:36.50 | Lo-lan-do | 320⬠in France |
| 19:37.00 | margiolas | Chocky: this is the edition for software or hardware developers? |
| 19:37.09 | Chocky | er |
| 19:37.16 | feitingen | margiolas: software |
| 19:37.25 | *** part/#openmoko tedo (n=cta@HSI-KBW-091-089-243-119.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 19:37.27 | Chocky | wonders what a hardware developer edition would mean |
| 19:37.34 | Chocky | any hardware hacker is welcome to it |
| 19:37.36 | mickeyl | Lo-lan-do: looks like i need to add python-gconf to OE |
| 19:37.41 | fuzzyt | Chocky: Heathkit |
| 19:37.45 | feitingen | Chocky: a version with a debug board and a guitar pick |
| 19:37.52 | Lo-lan-do | ~OE |
| 19:37.53 | apt | well, oe is OpenEmbedded (see http://www.openembedded.org ), or "Opportunistic Encryption" (see http://www.wavesec.org ), or an email client which is not to be spoken of. |
| 19:37.55 | Chocky | *whoosh* |
| 19:38.04 | Chocky | that's not an "addition", those are simply extras. |
| 19:38.07 | Chocky | er, eddition |
| 19:38.07 | Lo-lan-do | mickeyl: If you'd be so kind :-) |
| 19:38.12 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:38.15 | Chocky | <- CaptainTypo |
| 19:38.18 | mickeyl | lets see how that works |
| 19:38.54 | Lo-lan-do | Otherwise I'll do os.system ('gconftool-2 -s /desktop/openmoko/neod/power_management -t int 1') |
| 19:39.07 | mickeyl | first i have to look for the tarball |
| 19:39.08 | Lo-lan-do | Not a big deal :-) |
| 19:39.33 | Lo-lan-do | Now, to try and actually catch a Dbus signal when PhoneKit starts a call. |
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| 19:41.01 | wurp2|work | Lo-lan-do: Are you interested in just integrating your fix into phonekit in SHR? ;-) |
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| 19:41.35 | Xaos | Hydrant: last night, my GPS got a fix (TTFF) in 31 seconds WITH the sd card in and the south half of the sky blocked |
| 19:41.36 | Lo-lan-do | wurp2|work: Not sure it belongs to phonekit, actually. I'd see it more in neod, I guess. |
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| 19:41.55 | wurp2|work | Lo-lan-do: Sorry, good point |
| 19:41.59 | dlowe | Xaos: with the sd card in? what'd you do? |
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| 19:42.13 | wurp2|work | That's what I was thinking of, but I was being a dipshit :-( |
| 19:42.13 | retracile | has his FR in his hot little mits :D |
| 19:42.13 | GoldenHawk | What software does the freerunner ship with? |
| 19:42.16 | *** join/#openmoko jOERG_rw (n=jr@p5493F1D0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:42.20 | Xaos | nothing...it was right after I got it and had it charging for a couple of hours... |
| 19:42.29 | Xaos | just went outside and ran the agps-gui... |
| 19:42.39 | Xaos | I've been inside since then so no chance to test further |
| 19:42.43 | retracile | ... unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be registering with the network... umm. |
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| 19:46.32 | Fossi | hi |
| 19:46.43 | Chocky | fOSSi |
| 19:48.53 | Fossi | time to check that 'gps fix' |
| 19:49.16 | Chocky | I'm wondering if I'll still need to resolder mine |
| 19:49.42 | Sargun | Can the OpenMoko hardware do call recording |
| 19:49.47 | Xaos | it "can" |
| 19:49.53 | Chocky | it's not up to the hardware. It's up to the software |
| 19:49.56 | Xaos | Sargun: you going to write it? |
| 19:50.16 | Xaos | Call recording is a definite "want to have" for me as well... |
| 19:50.25 | Sargun | I don't have hardware yet |
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| 19:50.51 | retracile | Hrm... GSM Network says "Registration Denied". |
| 19:50.57 | Sargun | DENID |
| 19:51.00 | Sargun | DENIED |
| 19:51.59 | doc|work | weird |
| 19:52.34 | kelvie_work | doc|work: ooh.. you got your package yet? |
| 19:53.21 | doc|work | kelvie_work: no :( you? |
| 19:53.34 | kelvie_work | not sure, I sent it to my house |
| 19:53.37 | doc|work | kelvie_work: says it's in Richmond since 6.36am |
| 19:53.44 | kelvie_work | mine says its in transit |
| 19:53.47 | doc|work | no "out for delivery" type message |
| 19:54.03 | kelvie_work | yeah it's out for delivery |
| 19:54.04 | doc|work | ARRIVAL SCAN and IMPORT SCANx2 |
| 19:54.13 | doc|work | kelvie_work: yours is? how do you now/ |
| 19:54.21 | kelvie_work | it says in the tracking site |
| 19:54.26 | doc|work | ass |
| 19:54.28 | kelvie_work | hehe |
| 19:54.30 | doc|work | why the fuck doesn't mine? |
| 19:54.31 | kelvie_work | I did order before you did :P |
| 19:54.35 | kelvie_work | even though it shipped way later |
| 19:54.40 | Chocky | watch out, angry Candians |
| 19:54.41 | doc|work | mine was due to arrive yesterday |
| 19:54.46 | doc|work | not canadian |
| 19:54.48 | kelvie_work | we got hockey sticks eh? |
| 19:54.55 | Chocky | sosaysyou |
| 19:55.02 | doc|work | I'm Irish, do not fuck with the Irish |
| 19:55.22 | Chocky | tell that to my great-grandmother |
| 19:55.24 | Lo-lan-do | wurp2|work: Do you see anything wrong with http://pastebin.com/d489c8e42 ? |
| 19:55.27 | Hydrant | I'm American and will nuke you all to hell |
| 19:55.33 | Lo-lan-do | I don't seem to receive any signal... |
| 19:55.55 | doc|work | Chocky: it doesn't count if she asks for it |
| 19:56.25 | Chocky | ok "watch out, angry Canadian residents" |
| 19:56.27 | macdonalder | doc|work: I think I'll hold up any UPS truck I see this evening on the way home :P |
| 19:56.32 | doc|work | macdonalder: hehe |
| 19:57.11 | doc|work | I was walking to safeway during lunch yesterday and one passed at about 1.30pm, was hoping they were so incompetent they couldn't even get their fuckups right and it'd be delivered then :( |
| 19:58.02 | macdonalder | heh |
| 19:58.02 | Chocky | now waiting for USPS to deliver his Ripstik. so now I can use GPS with my FR whilst riding it. |
| 19:58.02 | *** join/#openmoko netx (n=rlange@n1-26-67.dhcp.drexel.edu) |
| 19:58.03 | Fossi | ok, doesn't work :(. i removed the SD card, but still get no fix (no satellites or time either) |
| 19:58.03 | kelvie_work | I remember my brother saw the UPS truck while at the grocery store one day |
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| 19:58.07 | wurp2|work | Lo-lan-do: Yes, superficially :-/ |
| 19:58.09 | *** part/#openmoko awesomo4k (n=arhodes@c-76-26-146-101.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) |
| 19:58.10 | Fossi | same as for my collegue |
| 19:58.13 | kelvie_work | he then went home for lunch on a hunch that his package would arrive |
| 19:58.15 | kelvie_work | ... and it did |
| 19:58.20 | doc|work | miracle |
| 19:58.22 | wurp2|work | Lo-lan-do: I dunno for sure the name of the event, although that looks right |
| 19:58.25 | Fossi | so it's time to finally get that torque :\ |
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| 19:58.27 | sparrow | Has anyone gotten their FR in Toronto via UPS? What were the brokerage fees like? |
| 19:58.36 | kelvie_work | it's 45 bucks if you went ground |
| 19:58.36 | Hydrant | sparrow: I did |
| 19:58.36 | doc|work | sparrow: one phone? |
| 19:58.43 | Chocky | Fossi: yes, fear so. I get a signal, but it takes some time. |
| 19:58.45 | sparrow | Yeah, one phone |
| 19:58.45 | kelvie_work | USD + tax |
| 19:58.54 | Hydrant | sparrow: I paid $58 in duty... paid for express shipping so that I didn't pay brokerage fees |
| 19:58.59 | kelvie_work | I think a Vancouverite paid 106 bucks |
| 19:59.02 | Hydrant | sparrow: UPS is the DEVIL! |
| 19:59.07 | kelvie_work | he posted it on the community list |
| 19:59.09 | doc|work | kelvie_work: that's mental |
| 19:59.21 | kelvie_work | I warned him to (he was originally part of my buying group :P) |
| 19:59.24 | kelvie_work | s/to/too |
| 19:59.26 | kelvie_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.27 | sparrow | I so hate ups >:P |
| 19:59.32 | Fossi | Chocky: the ttySAC1 still shows a lot of ,,,,,,0,0,99.99,... and that's it |
| 19:59.32 | doc|work | seconds that |
| 19:59.40 | Fossi | inside though |
| 19:59.48 | Fossi | so i'll try on my way home |
| 19:59.52 | Chocky | Fossi: you've removed the SD card of course. put it upright and wait 5-6 mins. |
| 19:59.57 | Lo-lan-do | wurp2|work: It matches http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-dbus.xml at any rate |
| 20:00.13 | wurp2|work | Lo-lan-do: Probably right, then :-) |
| 20:00.41 | Fossi | well, i waited about 10, bt then again this is an old, *very* stable building |
| 20:01.02 | Fossi | so just being near the window might not be enough |
| 20:01.09 | Chocky | this is an old, *very* unstable building that shakes every time there's a quake in Mexico |
| 20:01.10 | Fossi | as said, i'll try in the open |
| 20:01.24 | Chocky | my window faces south, which might help |
| 20:03.08 | macdonalder | how is that GPS/SD issue doing by the way... is this something affecting all freerunners |
| 20:03.15 | Chocky | seems so |
| 20:03.21 | Sargun | Can the Freerunner do 1900mhz? |
| 20:03.24 | Chocky | yes |
| 20:03.30 | macdonalder | hrm |
| 20:03.32 | SpeedEvil | Though not alas the CPU. |
| 20:03.41 | mmontour | macdonalder: I've seen a few reports of GPS working even with the SD card active |
| 20:03.54 | macdonalder | interesting |
| 20:03.55 | Sargun | the 850 one can do 1800, 850, and 1900? |
| 20:03.59 | Chocky | aye |
| 20:04.01 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: yes |
| 20:04.01 | *** join/#openmoko LionKMP (n=lion@catv-5985b8e7.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 20:04.07 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: eveyr fr can do 18/19 |
| 20:04.21 | Sargun | 800/900 are exclusive though |
| 20:04.34 | Lo-lan-do | I think the phonekit I have here doesn't have the same interface as what I thought. |
| 20:04.37 | SpeedEvil | 850/90 |
| 20:04.39 | SpeedEvil | 0 |
| 20:04.41 | Lo-lan-do | Method "HangUp" with signature "s" on interface "org.openmoko.PhoneKit.Dialer" doesn't exist |
| 20:04.54 | macdonalder | I'd gone through that GPS thread and by the sounds of it it's an interference thing, but it's particularly bad when the card is being accessed? |
| 20:05.10 | SpeedEvil | GPS is currently affected by a problem when the SD is accessed - it seems to lose or find it very hard to obtain - lock on satellites. There is a patch to turn off the clock to SD when not using it, but accessing SD will still disturb GPS. There is a hardware fix, but how this can be applied to units in the field is unclear at the moment. |
| 20:05.14 | mjr | macdonalder, when the card is clocked. Due to a glamo bug (apparently) it's always clocked |
| 20:05.25 | wurp2|work | Lo-lan-do: Oh, are you looking at the FSO signatures? |
| 20:05.28 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: what is the expected behavior on SIM.Blocked ? |
| 20:05.30 | ArteK | join #dircproxy |
| 20:05.33 | ArteK | join /#dircproxy |
| 20:05.37 | Ainulindale | Getting the status, then ask for the right code ? |
| 20:05.47 | wurp2|work | Lo-lan-do: I have the old phonekit signatures documented on the wiki |
| 20:05.47 | Lo-lan-do | wurp2|work: Don't think so. http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-dbus.xml doesn't look like FSO, does it? |
| 20:05.53 | wurp2|work | nope |
| 20:05.59 | wurp2|work | That should be the right one |
| 20:06.11 | doc|work | why does it only affect tiff? |
| 20:06.16 | wurp2|work | Lo-lan-do: I have some scripts that walk the bus & tell you all objects, interfaces & signatures |
| 20:06.44 | mjr | doc|work, it doesn't. Just most prominently since downloading ephemeris/almanac needs a better signal |
| 20:07.00 | doc|work | ah, ok |
| 20:07.34 | macdonalder | SpeedEvil: ahhh thanks |
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| 20:08.52 | sparrow | SpeedEvil - Do you know what the hardware fix entails? |
| 20:09.04 | sparrow | For the GPS that is |
| 20:09.21 | SpeedEvil | Nio |
| 20:10.03 | Fossi | ducttape? ;D |
| 20:10.06 | Chocky | Neo |
| 20:10.23 | SpeedEvil | It's reportedly an added compoennt - but it's not been revealed what. |
| 20:10.38 | doc|work | 3inch thick steel plate |
| 20:10.43 | sparrow | lol |
| 20:10.56 | Chocky | 12' antenna |
| 20:11.07 | doc|work | "my opensource phone deflects bullets, take that jesus phone" |
| 20:11.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r4531 10/developers/werner/ (gta02-current-chart.txt gta02-voltage-chart.txt): |
| 20:11.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: - added more voltages (regulators, backup battery) |
| 20:11.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: - added current chart |
| 20:12.28 | gmaxwell | miniature tin foil hat. |
| 20:13.52 | macdonalder | doc|work: hahaha |
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| 20:14.37 | mmontour | doc|work: one of my co-workers just bought a 3G iphone. Don't think he'd let me shoot at it, though. |
| 20:15.00 | doc|work | heh |
| 20:15.29 | doc|work | does it blend? is for wusses, "does it absorb bullets?" is the new king in town |
| 20:15.40 | doc|work | now all I need is a gun and a budget |
| 20:15.49 | doc|work | and some bullets of course |
| 20:15.49 | kelvie_work | mm I'm surprised no one here has an iphone 3G yet |
| 20:15.54 | kelvie_work | there's quite the apple fanbase here |
| 20:15.56 | macdonalder | one would think it's splashed with a bit of teh steve's mojo |
| 20:16.05 | Chocky | laffs |
| 20:16.06 | macdonalder | can that deflect bullets? |
| 20:16.08 | kelvie_work | but then again.. you need a 3 year contract in Canada :/ |
| 20:16.14 | Chocky | sobs |
| 20:16.38 | sparrow | doc|work - I don't know, I would love to see "Will it arc weld?" |
| 20:16.42 | doc|work | hahaha |
| 20:17.13 | doc|work | kelvie_work: what time did yours get into richmond? and what time was it tagged as out for delivery? |
| 20:17.14 | mmontour | Speaking of "absorb bullets" - http://safetycenter.navy.mil/PHOTO/ |
| 20:17.38 | LionKMP | I can't ping my qemu openmoko, do you have any ideas? pppd looks ok. http://pastebin.com/m6bd4afdb |
| 20:17.59 | TeNoVi | root@om-gta02:~# opkg upgrade |
| 20:17.59 | TeNoVi | Upgrading ncurses on root from 5.4-r14 to 5.4-r15... |
| 20:17.59 | TeNoVi | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ncurses_5.4-r15_armv4t.ipk |
| 20:17.59 | TeNoVi | Collected errors: |
| 20:17.59 | TeNoVi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.59 | TeNoVi | But that file is already provided by package * libncurses5 |
| 20:18.22 | TeNoVi | What to do? Remove the package? |
| 20:18.35 | doc|work | mmontour: nice |
| 20:18.36 | Chocky | yes |
| 20:18.42 | kelvie_work | doc|work: can I pm you? |
| 20:18.46 | doc|work | kelvie_work: sure |
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| 20:19.43 | Maybelline | Chocky: remove libncurses5, and then opkg upgrade? |
| 20:19.53 | Chocky | yes, IIRC |
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| 20:22.59 | Chocky | I said earlier that I need to write a guide for this. |
| 20:23.02 | Chocky | is all talk. |
| 20:23.04 | Hydrant | is anyone gonna make a nice little thing like google maps for the openmoko? |
| 20:23.08 | Hydrant | like the one on the iphone? |
| 20:23.13 | Chocky | Hydrant: tangogps |
| 20:23.14 | dlowe | tangogps is pretty good |
| 20:23.22 | Maybelline | is all ears. |
| 20:23.22 | Hydrant | will that work with qtopia ? |
| 20:23.27 | Chocky | dlowe: when GPS works ;-) |
| 20:23.34 | Chocky | the wiki has a shedload of GPS apps |
| 20:23.42 | dlowe | Chocky: it still works fine as a map |
| 20:23.47 | Chocky | true |
| 20:23.51 | Chocky | bit chuggy, but ok |
| 20:24.02 | Chocky | can't complain |
| 20:24.07 | Hydrant | so is the GPS really that unusable ? |
| 20:24.11 | Chocky | depends |
| 20:24.26 | dlowe | I couldn't use it with an sd card installed |
| 20:24.53 | Chocky | so has anyone figured out how to make the clock smaller? |
| 20:25.01 | bobkare | Seems some people don't get a fix no matter what. Most people seem to get good performance when they take the sd card out |
| 20:25.03 | Chocky | I feel overwhelmed by it |
| 20:25.10 | *** part/#openmoko pvborza (n=paul@79.119.152.133) |
| 20:25.13 | TeNoVi | Why does "opkg update" get 404 messages? The wlan is working just fine. Has anyone else got 404 messages? |
| 20:25.24 | cjb | Chocky: oh, I thought you meant the SD clock :) |
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| 20:25.35 | dlowe | The ugly clocks are the first things I'm going to hack on once this dev environment builds |
| 20:25.35 | Chocky | laffs |
| 20:25.55 | bobkare | I've used the gps for mapping (openstreetmap.org), it just requires a bit of patience waiting for 15mins or so while it gets a fix (this is with the sd card present) |
| 20:25.56 | Chocky | I don't mind how it looks. it's just TOO BIG |
| 20:26.13 | Chocky | the analog is a bit pansy tho. |
| 20:27.00 | Hydrant | anyone know how to install programs with qtopia ? |
| 20:27.11 | Chocky | opkg or assassin |
| 20:27.22 | Hydrant | k |
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| 20:28.46 | TeNoVi | Is there a file manager for the 2007.2 image in opkg? |
| 20:28.46 | Lo-lan-do | German on the list? Glad I have a few shreds of that language still in my brain... |
| 20:28.59 | Chocky | ssh :o |
| 20:29.08 | Chocky | I'm sure there's one you can install |
| 20:29.15 | El_Salvador | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022180.html |
| 20:29.36 | El_Salvador | for gps problems |
| 20:29.36 | Fossi | my gps still has nothing to say... :\ |
| 20:29.43 | Fossi | benn on the balcony for about 10 mins |
| 20:30.42 | malik1972 | fossi: i was not patient enough, tried it for 2 min with new kernel |
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| 20:31.07 | Ainulindale | TeNoVi: there's one if you use scaredycat's feed |
| 20:31.11 | malik1972 | fossi: with an external antenna i got a fix in about 50 sec |
| 20:31.13 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.42 | TeNoVi | Ainulindale: Can I use that one on the 2007.2 standard image? |
| 20:31.58 | Chocky | hm, busybox 'less' is a bit funny |
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| 20:32.15 | Ainulindale | TeNoVi: yep |
| 20:32.16 | wurp2|work | Ainulindale: ScaredyCat has a file explorer? What's it called? |
| 20:32.25 | Ainulindale | gpe something |
| 20:32.29 | malik1972 | lpotter: ping |
| 20:32.29 | wurp2|work | k |
| 20:32.30 | LionKMP | is this TTFF problem in any way related to the soldering problem seen on the Wiki? Is that soldering problem REAL? |
| 20:32.33 | Ainulindale | abraxa_ put that on the wiki |
| 20:32.41 | LionKMP | El_Salvador: thx 4 link |
| 20:33.00 | wurp2|work | LionKMP: The soldering problem might be real, but it sounds like the sd card problem far outweighs it in terms of effect |
| 20:33.04 | SpeedEvil | LionKMP: it sounds like it's probably a combiantion of things. |
| 20:33.16 | LionKMP | :( |
| 20:33.25 | Chocky | opkg install gpe-filemanager |
| 20:33.26 | wurp2|work | LionKMP: Have you tried it without the sd card? |
| 20:33.29 | Chocky | don't need SC for that |
| 20:33.52 | LionKMP | wurp2|work: well, my lil' one is promised to be sent from Germany tomorrow :) |
| 20:33.57 | Chocky | answer ninja! |
| 20:34.45 | TeNoVi | Thanks... |
| 20:34.55 | Fossi | is there any mailclient yet? |
| 20:35.01 | Maybelline | speaking of... what opkg feeds does everyone use on the Freerunner? Is the "daily-neo1973" feed valid on a Freerunner? |
| 20:35.05 | Chocky | opkg list | grep -i mail |
| 20:35.28 | LionKMP | anybody knows pppd-qemu, how to get it work? http://pastebin.com/m6bd4afdb (wanted to learn a few commands in advance) |
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| 20:36.47 | Sargun | ATD*99***1# |
| 20:36.47 | Sargun | ERROR |
| 20:36.48 | *** join/#openmoko trix (n=trix@c-76-115-43-169.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 20:36.49 | Sargun | CONNECT |
| 20:36.52 | Sargun | -gibberish- |
| 20:36.55 | Sargun | NO CARRIER |
| 20:36.56 | Sargun | o.O |
| 20:36.58 | Sargun | confused |
| 20:37.08 | Chocky | NO CARRIER PIDGEON |
| 20:37.13 | Sargun | -_- |
| 20:37.21 | Lo-lan-do | RFC1149 on the Freerunner! |
| 20:39.39 | doc|work | kelvie_work: what was the time frame for expedited shipping? |
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| 20:41.04 | kelvie_work | doc|work: 2 days :p |
| 20:41.16 | kelvie_work | shipped Monday at ~5pm |
| 20:41.21 | kelvie_work | and should be here right now |
| 20:41.48 | linuxxr | i get mine tomorrow:)+_ |
| 20:41.53 | Stroller | I thought you were going to decline the delivery, kelvie_work |
| 20:41.55 | Stroller | ? |
| 20:42.04 | kelvie_work | yeah, I left a note for the UPS guy |
| 20:42.24 | fuzzyt | mine just showed up at home, but I'm at work :( |
| 20:42.31 | kelvie_work | I feel kinda bad doing that though, but tony@openmoko said this counts as DoA criteria |
| 20:42.31 | linuxxr | awww |
| 20:42.43 | linuxxr | do u feel sick? |
| 20:42.46 | lpotter | malik1972: pong |
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| 20:42.49 | Stroller | Ah, ok. I admire your commitment to excellence |
| 20:43.09 | kelvie_work | I would not have refused it if our customs protocols weren't so stupid |
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| 20:43.20 | kelvie_work | I wouldn't mind sending it back if it would only cost me ~$50 |
| 20:43.20 | malik1972 | lpotter: hi, i forgot my question:-) |
| 20:43.21 | TeNoVi | opkg won't download anything :S It says I have to run opkg update, but I just get 404.... |
| 20:43.32 | Chocky | ignore those |
| 20:43.35 | kelvie_work | but getting nailed for taxes, twice is not something I'd like to do |
| 20:43.48 | linuxxr | canada? |
| 20:43.51 | kelvie_work | yep :( |
| 20:43.52 | lpotter | malik1972: ok. thats good, because I forgot my answer :) |
| 20:44.02 | linuxxr | watch ebay |
| 20:44.04 | Chocky | opkg will still work, those are just signature files |
| 20:44.07 | malik1972 | lpotter: ahh okay ... i was thinking of an option in qtopia to turn off gsm |
| 20:44.12 | Chocky | ebay sucks too much these days |
| 20:44.18 | linuxxr | someones gonna hate it |
| 20:44.24 | Stroller | I'm sure there will be a customs protocol for warranty returns, kelvie_work. But it's probably not worth the effort - here in the UK it's a stupid amount of paperwork. |
| 20:44.43 | Stroller | If you were paying staff to fill in all the forms it would cost you more than the tax |
| 20:44.45 | kelvie_work | Stroller: it's a stupid amount of paper work here, plus you have to drive down to the border as well, I think |
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| 20:44.47 | kelvie_work | yeah |
| 20:44.48 | linuxxr | prolly come here to sell it |
| 20:44.51 | Lo-lan-do | Yay for local resellers. |
| 20:45.02 | kelvie_work | perhaps my next order should be through Koolu |
| 20:45.15 | linuxxr | ahhh 299? |
| 20:45.15 | kelvie_work | Canada <-> Canada is smooth, of course :p |
| 20:45.25 | malik1972 | lpotter: it should save some battery life and i dont have to do a shutdown |
| 20:45.26 | Chocky | kelvie_work: smooth as ice? ;o |
| 20:45.32 | linuxxr | was |
| 20:45.43 | linuxxr | now just dirt |
| 20:45.53 | Chocky | and caribou |
| 20:45.54 | TeNoVi | But opkg won't install anything. It won't download when I for example run "opkg install gpe-filemanager" |
| 20:46.03 | linuxxr | calif has a growing glacier |
| 20:46.15 | doc|work | hahaha |
| 20:46.19 | doc|work | "UPS guarantees on-schedule delivery of packages shipped via UPS's services listed as guaranteed, or will refund your transportation charges." |
| 20:46.22 | doc|work | fucking a |
| 20:46.36 | Chocky | linuxxr: yes, but where's the water coming from for it :o |
| 20:46.58 | lpotter | malik1972: i can put a script in |
| 20:47.00 | kdub | is there a way to dual boot the fso and 2007.2? |
| 20:47.03 | linuxxr | spring maybe |
| 20:47.03 | fuzzdk | anyone have an idea on when/if the sd+gps problem is solved in HW? |
| 20:47.11 | *** join/#openmoko Blalien (n=test@ip565b6b3c.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 20:47.12 | linuxxr | lilo |
| 20:47.21 | mjr | fuzzdk, no. They're testing fixes. |
| 20:47.32 | Blalien | Is there someone here that doesn't have the GPS problem? |
| 20:47.38 | kdub | damn it. i dont know how to deal with lilo. :P |
| 20:47.38 | Stroller | hands linuxxr a dunce's cap with "troll" written on it |
| 20:47.39 | linuxxr | i dont |
| 20:47.45 | SpeedEvil | blat78: I don't. |
| 20:47.48 | SpeedEvil | Blalien: |
| 20:47.51 | linuxxr | haaaay |
| 20:47.51 | malik1972 | lpotter: it is easy on the terminal, sure |
| 20:47.56 | fuzzdk | i dont: I do still not have the phone |
| 20:47.58 | linuxxr | sorry |
| 20:48.02 | linuxxr | me shutup |
| 20:48.16 | Stroller | Ooops, sorry |
| 20:48.20 | linuxxr | i get mine tomorrow |
| 20:48.21 | fuzzdk | I am wondering if I should cancel my order or not (shipment earliest friday) |
| 20:48.24 | doc|fail | kelvie_work: thanks |
| 20:48.28 | Blalien | linuxxr: And do you have a micro SD card in your Neo? |
| 20:48.33 | kelvie_work | yeah |
| 20:48.45 | malik1972 | lpotter: in om images there is a choice for gsm, wifi, bluetooth ... one screen |
| 20:48.47 | Stroller | removes the hat from linuxxr and hands it to fuzzdk |
| 20:48.55 | linuxxr | get an 8 gb i hope |
| 20:48.59 | kelvie_work | fuzzdk: I did mine, the guys at OM were nice about it too |
| 20:49.24 | malik1972 | lpotter: an option somewhere would be also nice |
| 20:49.24 | lpotter | malik1972: there is airplane mode |
| 20:49.25 | kelvie_work | though alternatively, you could take it, and sell it |
| 20:49.29 | doc|fail | kelvie_work: I'd go with koolu, same price more or less, no border hassles, and a one year warranty |
| 20:49.37 | Blalien | SpeedEvil: Does your Neo's GPS work with a Micro SD inserted? |
| 20:49.38 | kelvie_work | a lot of people want one, and they're still sold out right now |
| 20:49.46 | kelvie_work | doc|fail: yeah, I'm thinking of doing that next time |
| 20:49.51 | fuzzdk | If I have to wait months to get a hw-bug free phone I will rather except the sw-fix |
| 20:49.55 | kelvie_work | it would cost a _lot_ less as well |
| 20:49.55 | malik1972 | lpotter: really? it turn the gsm off? |
| 20:49.58 | SpeedEvil | blat78: I have a 1973 |
| 20:50.06 | linuxxr | have a new want list yet? |
| 20:50.08 | SpeedEvil | Blalien: |
| 20:50.19 | Blalien | SpeedEvil: Ahh ok ;) |
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| 20:50.35 | linuxxr | do they have colors? |
| 20:50.36 | lpotter | malik1972: not power to the chip |
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| 20:51.23 | malik1972 | lpotter: did you set up an ipk feed? some applications i can find only in the speed link menue |
| 20:51.33 | lpotter | not yet |
| 20:51.51 | Chocky | opkg update :o |
| 20:52.30 | kdub | figured out how to get a fso-image compiling :D |
| 20:52.32 | Blalien | linuxxr: you have a Freerunner? |
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| 20:53.12 | Sargun | Why is it erroring, then CONNECTing |
| 20:53.14 | Sargun | gah |
| 20:53.31 | malik1972 | lpotter: okay |
| 20:53.42 | linuxxr | tomorrow i get me freerunner |
| 20:53.44 | bricode | kelvie_work: Koolu's got stock in Canada and are shipping. |
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| 20:54.00 | kelvie_work | bricode: hehe.. I'm waiting for the next version.. with the hw GPS/SD card fix |
| 20:54.07 | kelvie_work | but in all likelihood I'll be ordering with you guys |
| 20:54.12 | bricode | kelvie_work: Gotcha. |
| 20:54.20 | kelvie_work | what are the shipping options to Vancouver? |
| 20:54.21 | Sargun | Koolu's site scares me. |
| 20:54.25 | Stroller | Well done, kdub |
| 20:54.42 | bricode | Sargun: Which part? |
| 20:54.50 | Chocky | it's not obvious how to quit kobodeluxe except via ssh + kill |
| 20:54.51 | Sargun | the links |
| 20:54.52 | Sargun | er |
| 20:54.54 | Sargun | link |
| 20:54.55 | malik1972 | lpotter: no hurry |
| 20:54.56 | bricode | kelvie_work: 3 flavours of Canada Post. |
| 20:54.58 | *** part/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e182055059.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 20:55.07 | Blalien | Do all Freerunners have the GPS/SD problem? |
| 20:55.10 | Sargun | like, the google apps, and recommendations, etc.. |
| 20:55.12 | kelvie_work | bricode: fantastic :p |
| 20:55.16 | bobkare | Chocky: press the power button |
| 20:55.16 | Chocky | blat78: possibly |
| 20:55.23 | Sargun | Blalien, there have been people who have seen it workign |
| 20:55.26 | Chocky | bobkare: you're my uncle. |
| 20:55.34 | bricode | Blalien: I've been able to get mine to work with SD card in, and 2007.2 image from Jul 10. |
| 20:55.45 | doc|fail | bricode: I'm with Sargun here, the koolu site would put me off :/ looks like a "free iphone if you refer 1 billion people" site :/ |
| 20:56.07 | Blalien | bricode: Ok so it could be a software problem? |
| 20:56.10 | bricode | doc|fail: There's good reason for why it's like that. |
| 20:56.25 | doc|fail | bricode: not in any way undermining what you're doing of course |
| 20:56.43 | doc|fail | er, s/undermining/belittling |
| 20:57.15 | bricode | Blalien: Seems like gps firmware/software could be improved. Not sure if the other GPS issues people are seeing are sw/hw. |
| 20:57.20 | *** part/#openmoko jlmoko (n=jluis@237.Red-83-37-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:57.20 | DaveLab | So what are we discussing now? |
| 20:57.47 | bricode | doc|fail: No, I know. We have to differentiate somehow amongst the other distributors. |
| 20:58.14 | mmontour | bricode: I agree with them about the website - I'd be more comfortable if there was a page that made it clear that I was buying an un-modified Openmoko Freerunner from a reseller, not signing up friends to get a lime-green "W.E." phone |
| 20:58.40 | bricode | bricode: It's a fine line being a tech person and associating with marketers. |
| 20:58.43 | doc|fail | seconds that |
| 20:58.47 | mmontour | bricode: For everyone in Canada, your differentiator is "No customs/UPS crap". And it's a big one. |
| 20:59.12 | bricode | mmontour: Granted that's the case for some. |
| 20:59.29 | DaveLab | Canada, eh? |
| 20:59.30 | bricode | mmontour: Unfortunately Canada is a relatively small market. |
| 20:59.45 | mmontour | true. |
| 21:00.00 | doc|fail | shame that this was all set up so late or I'd have gotten a 10 pack from you :/ |
| 21:00.22 | DaveLab | Too bad for Canada. |
| 21:00.29 | DaveLab | tosses a toonie at doc|fail |
| 21:00.44 | doc|fail | thanks! |
| 21:00.55 | Chocky | tosses some trash |
| 21:00.59 | bricode | doc|fail: s'ok. It happens. |
| 21:02.53 | DaveLab | Oh well |
| 21:02.58 | DaveLab | Back to work, you two. |
| 21:03.36 | doc|work | macdonalder: would you like a phone? ups just arrived! :D |
| 21:03.44 | doc|work | they do suck at being incompetent :) |
| 21:04.12 | *** part/#openmoko Xaos (n=read@pool-71-170-53-17.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) |
| 21:04.53 | kdub | ups is super reliable. ive never had a late package from what they cite |
| 21:05.02 | doc|work | they're a day late with this |
| 21:05.11 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-ophoned * ra31b6dbc65f0 10/ophoned/modems/ti_calypso/unsolicited.py: python-ophoned: (ti_calypso) prepare case for %CPI=,10 (locally held) |
| 21:05.13 | gmaxwell | kdub: UPS tried to deliver my FR *early* but I wasn't home. |
| 21:05.36 | doc|work | hmmm, and they lost a box |
| 21:05.41 | doc|work | missing a debug board |
| 21:06.21 | *** join/#openmoko abescully (n=abrahm@ip72-218-108-13.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 21:06.36 | kdub | so in compiling the fso, i'm cross compiling an entire distribution, essentially? |
| 21:06.49 | retracile | doc|work: mine came in the same shipping box as the FR |
| 21:07.08 | Sargun | root@om-gta02:/etc# opkg install fortune |
| 21:07.08 | Sargun | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 21:07.10 | Sargun | Ideas? |
| 21:07.23 | cjb | Sargun: networking, dns? |
| 21:07.39 | Sargun | --- google.com ping statistics --- |
| 21:07.39 | Sargun | 3 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 33% packet loss |
| 21:07.39 | Sargun | round-trip min/avg/max = 640.118/671.233/702.349 ms |
| 21:07.39 | Sargun | root@om-gta02:/etc# |
| 21:07.47 | cjb | odd. |
| 21:08.01 | Chocky | kdub: yessir |
| 21:08.04 | Sargun | Very. |
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| 21:08.57 | retracile | doc|work: had to look twice through the packing peanuts to find everything |
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| 21:10.32 | doc|work | retracile: no peanuts here |
| 21:10.38 | kdub | i feel that its still pretty pro, even if i didnt have to set up much :P |
| 21:10.47 | Sargun | I really, really want this thing |
| 21:10.53 | Sargun | I've got access to one |
| 21:11.09 | retracile | doc|work: Well bother. :/ |
| 21:11.47 | mmontour | doc|work: did you get the pouches/styli/etc. ? |
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| 21:13.45 | linuxxr | of course!!! |
| 21:13.58 | doc|work | mmontour: oh, no pouch :( |
| 21:14.08 | mmontour | :( |
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| 21:14.16 | linuxxr | what? |
| 21:14.35 | doc|work | nope |
| 21:14.36 | linuxxr | i gonna make a leather 1 |
| 21:14.55 | linuxxr | did u order the extra stuff ? |
| 21:15.15 | leinir | Pouch is nifteh :) |
| 21:15.28 | Hydrant | I wish there were a belt clip |
| 21:15.32 | leinir | (handheld-linux sends it with :) ) |
| 21:15.38 | abescully | I'm having trouble completing an 'opkg upgrade' because my shell keeps getting killed during the package configuring. I can't get screen to launch, does anyone have suggestions for me? |
| 21:16.16 | Staticwave_Ace | hrm, has anyone attempted to play OGGs with the built-in media player from a SD card? |
| 21:16.34 | kdub | what built in media player? haha |
| 21:16.37 | awesomo4k | abescully turn off power management |
| 21:16.42 | nuclear_eclipse | OMG, Net is freaking addicting! |
| 21:16.51 | mmontour | abescully: try "nohup opkg upgrade &" |
| 21:17.13 | Staticwave_Ace | kdub: opkg install openmoko-mediaplayer2 |
| 21:17.17 | awesomo4k | anyone porting marble madness with the tilt-sensors ? |
| 21:17.21 | DaveLab | leinir ~_~ |
| 21:17.34 | nuclear_eclipse | awesomo4k: that would be awesome :P |
| 21:17.40 | doc|work | sweet res screen |
| 21:17.43 | doc|work | really crisp letters |
| 21:17.50 | kdub | Staticwave_Ace: i did that, there's no interface to it though. just a few nameless boxes, and something that looks like a progress bar |
| 21:17.55 | DaveLab | doc, what you say? |
| 21:18.00 | DaveLab | Nuclear_eclipse, isn't it? :D |
| 21:18.02 | Staticwave_Ace | kdub: works fine here with 2007.2 |
| 21:18.05 | kdub | so i'm probably in worse shape then you on that front |
| 21:18.19 | kdub | what comes in the box again? 2007.1? |
| 21:18.19 | Staticwave_Ace | kdub: well, except that the sounds keeps cutting out |
| 21:18.21 | DaveLab | kdub, and in person? :P |
| 21:18.26 | *** part/#openmoko Lo-lan-do (n=roland@mirenboite.placard.fr.eu.org) |
| 21:18.37 | Staticwave_Ace | kdub: no idea, flashed immediately after opening the box |
| 21:18.44 | *** join/#openmoko jjcv (n=john@ip-118-90-70-153.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) |
| 21:18.53 | Gnutoo | hello, is there a browser for the openmoko that has the following capacities: greasemonkey,add block and media player plug-in(so i can see youtube video with greasemonkey and my media player)...by the way i know how to use open-embedded so compiling it woudn't be a problem for me(but i don't know how to do packages for it yet) |
| 21:19.03 | DaveLab | leinir, make my qtopia phone useful :( |
| 21:19.11 | DaveLab | Pretty please? :) |
| 21:19.18 | leinir | DaveLab: How is it not useful? :) |
| 21:19.41 | doc|work | hmmm, I wonder are pouches in the other missing box |
| 21:20.08 | mmontour | probably |
| 21:20.25 | Stroller | doc|work: mine came with the pouch outside the black cardboard box |
| 21:20.30 | retracile | doc|work: I got the phone & dboard, but not the "extras" pack. no pouch for me. |
| 21:20.38 | doc|work | retracile: you buy direct? |
| 21:20.40 | awesomo4k | i have a pouch from gta01 :) |
| 21:20.45 | retracile | doc|work: yeah |
| 21:20.45 | doc|work | Stroller: hmm |
| 21:21.02 | retracile | doc|work: you go through someone else? |
| 21:21.04 | doc|work | Stroller: a separate box? |
| 21:21.08 | doc|work | retracile: no, direct |
| 21:21.13 | awesomo4k | anyone port synergy to this ? |
| 21:21.34 | nuclear_eclipse | awesomo4k: it's already in the repos |
| 21:21.52 | Stroller | doc|work: I got mine from Truebox. So it was in a brown cardboard box with my address in it. When I opened that, the pouch was separate from the black & green "presentation box" |
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| 21:22.03 | awesomo4k | oh sweet... does it work? |
| 21:22.22 | Chocky | got two boxes - one with 10 FRs, one with 10 pouches + earphones |
| 21:22.25 | abescully | mmontour: thank you. that worked fantastically. |
| 21:22.33 | *** part/#openmoko Gnutoo (n=gnutoo@host54-133-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
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| 21:22.48 | doc|work | Chocky: ok, cool, must be in that, no headsets either now that you mention it |
| 21:22.59 | Chocky | that was the 10 pack deal of course |
| 21:23.09 | nuclear_eclipse | awesomo4k: someone said they were already using it |
| 21:23.12 | Gnutoo | or mabe i should use firefox3 as it is in the oe repository |
| 21:23.15 | doc|work | Chocky: right |
| 21:23.23 | Staticwave_Ace | oookay... so you can't play music from the SD card |
| 21:23.27 | Chocky | omg iRipOff: http://www.geeks.com/pix/2008/KNIFE2.html?&cpc=HPM |
| 21:23.30 | Staticwave_Ace | thats.. frustrating |
| 21:23.42 | doc|work | it's a shame I left my phone at home so no sim card :( |
| 21:23.59 | Stroller | Chocky: lol |
| 21:24.04 | Chocky | yeh. |
| 21:24.30 | CVirus | Staticwave_Ace: wtf ? |
| 21:24.52 | Staticwave_Ace | CVirus: playing an OGG from SD card, plays about 5 seconds, choppy, then silence |
| 21:25.08 | Staticwave_Ace | CVirus: works fine if I cp to /home/root first |
| 21:25.14 | CVirus | Staticwave_Ace: software issue ? |
| 21:26.01 | Stroller | Staticwave_Ace: sorry, I don't use OGG. Is this audio only, or video, too? |
| 21:26.35 | DaveLab | heh |
| 21:27.31 | Staticwave_Ace | CVirus: maybe, but maybe its because you can't use the CPU and copy from the SD card at the same time |
| 21:27.39 | Staticwave_Ace | Stroller: this is audio only so far |
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| 21:28.40 | Stroller | So it's just a couple hundred kbps? |
| 21:29.16 | Staticwave_Ace | Nominal bitrate: 160.000000 kb/s |
| 21:29.21 | Staticwave_Ace | (according to ogginfo) |
| 21:30.00 | thomasg | hm, what does "ASU" use as sound backend? pure alsa (+dmix) or pulseaudio? |
| 21:30.31 | Staticwave_Ace | envisions a system that copies a song from sd -> ram, plays, and then delets |
| 21:30.35 | Staticwave_Ace | *deletes |
| 21:30.52 | thomasg | where's the vision about this? |
| 21:30.57 | almien | anyone managed to share a mac's network connection over USB to a freerunner? |
| 21:31.17 | Stroller | almien: once, on 10.4 |
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| 21:31.22 | thomasg | mplayer -cache $(du $file) $file |
| 21:31.35 | Stroller | almien: not at all on 10.5. Someone else reported same problem |
| 21:31.38 | doc|work | hah, fucking UPS. so, two boxes, one arrived the other didn't. turns out the second one is on a different van |
| 21:31.46 | almien | Stroller: cool, same OS as me then (10.4 here) |
| 21:32.01 | Chocky | and the box that arrived is the pouch? ;-) |
| 21:32.05 | kd8ikt | almien: wifi too much work? |
| 21:32.35 | doc|work | ah, the stink of fresh rubberised plastic |
| 21:32.44 | Chocky | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.52 | Stroller | lol |
| 21:32.55 | Stroller | It has that |
| 21:32.59 | awesomo4k | reminded me of new shoes |
| 21:33.01 | Chocky | stabs use of "lol" |
| 21:33.16 | wurp2|work | lol |
| 21:33.19 | Staticwave_Ace | doc|work: my phone got delivered by canada post, their tracking system still says "information recieved" |
| 21:33.21 | Chocky | stabs |
| 21:33.23 | kd8ikt | next we'll hear ASL? |
| 21:33.34 | Chocky | Staticwave_Ace: with that typo? |
| 21:33.53 | Staticwave_Ace | Chocky: unlikely, I always spell that wrong. |
| 21:33.57 | almien | kd8ikt: perhaps. tried wifi briefly but didn't manage it yet |
| 21:33.57 | awesomo4k | i before e except after c except when in canada |
| 21:34.15 | Chocky | awesomo4k: that's so wrong, I don't know where to start. |
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| 21:34.39 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: quick question again, PUK are only used along with Unlock() ? |
| 21:34.44 | Chocky | ei unless it's a long eee sound unless it's after a 'c' |
| 21:35.07 | Chocky | unless the name is Keith |
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| 21:35.22 | Chocky | that's correct %100 of the time :o |
| 21:35.26 | almien | Stroller: once you had USB setup and SSH into phone via the USB cable, did you just "internet sharing on, from 'built in ethernet' to 'ethernet adapter (en2)'"? |
| 21:35.36 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: (either PUK or PUK2, whatever AuthStatus asks for) |
| 21:35.57 | Stroller | almien: yes |
| 21:36.11 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: yes. PUK is Unlock |
| 21:36.13 | Stroller | almien: but you also have to do /etc/resolve.conf on the phone |
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| 21:36.20 | mickeyl | since you need to give a new PIN |
| 21:37.03 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: my question was more about the fact that there's PUK and PUK2 |
| 21:37.18 | Ainulindale | It will now what the code we feed it means ? (PUK or PUK2 ?) |
| 21:37.22 | Ainulindale | +k |
| 21:37.54 | mickeyl | well, i have never tried that, to be honest |
| 21:38.04 | *** join/#openmoko mazzen (n=mortel@u30-237.dsl.vianetworks.de) |
| 21:38.09 | Ainulindale | Ok :-) |
| 21:38.10 | almien | Stroller: I copied from the tutorial into /etc/network/interfaces the line "up echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 >/etc/resolv.conf" (I have no idea what that IP is, but hope the tutorial pointed to an actual nameserver) |
| 21:38.14 | mickeyl | but as far as I know, the Unlock call should go for both PUKs |
| 21:38.34 | mickeyl | i have a couple of SIMs without balance here, i can test next week |
| 21:38.34 | awesomo4k | 4.2.2.2 is my favorite (actual) nameserver because its easy to remember |
| 21:38.57 | awesomo4k | almien: try ping google.com |
| 21:39.05 | Stroller | $ host 208.67.222.222 |
| 21:39.05 | Stroller | 222.222.67.208.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer resolver1.opendns.com. |
| 21:39.05 | Stroller | $ |
| 21:39.28 | Stroller | almien: do you have a problem? |
| 21:39.59 | almien | awesomo4k: yes that was when I first noticed networking wasn't working so well - pings to www.google.com were timing out, and opkg update was giving the "signature error" that it gives when network is unavailable |
| 21:40.38 | almien | and that's still the case now |
| 21:41.05 | Stroller | almien: have you set default gateway? What does `route` say? |
| 21:41.07 | recursv | Silly question which has me stumped. I'm running a qtopia-build on my freerunner. Using the app-launcher configuration, I've managed to hide the config shelf option. Does anyone know where the Shelf(?) stores it's configuration settings (ie: which icons to hide / display ) ? |
| 21:41.29 | almien | oh... |
| 21:41.42 | Stroller | almien: can you ping 208.67.222.222 ? |
| 21:41.42 | almien | sorry for troubling everyone, it turns out to be the mac's firewall |
| 21:42.07 | almien | disable the firewall, and ping on the freerunner springs to life |
| 21:42.24 | Stroller | I'll have to file a bug report with Colloquay - "no button to slap almien with a kipper" |
| 21:42.52 | almien | although opkg update is still giving "signature check failed" |
| 21:43.02 | almien | after an ==== bargraph for each line |
| 21:43.25 | *** join/#openmoko Stroller (n=Stroller@213-152-39-89.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) |
| 21:43.41 | edistar | almien: don't worry, sig is not necessary |
| 21:43.50 | recursv | almien, the signature check tends to fail due to their being no signature files on the build hosts. Not sure why they aren't there but its a known issue |
| 21:44.07 | Stroller | Oh! |
| 21:44.17 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: sorry for being such a pain ;-) |
| 21:44.21 | Stroller | So updating of packages will still work, even if the sig check fails? |
| 21:44.41 | recursv | indeed |
| 21:44.46 | Stroller | Blimey! |
| 21:44.47 | recursv | very dodge |
| 21:44.52 | Stroller | Why did no one tell me that?!?!? |
| 21:45.06 | recursv | It was posted on the community lists a couple of times |
| 21:45.14 | Chocky | !!!! |
| 21:45.17 | edistar | Stroller: should I tell you? |
| 21:45.19 | recursv | Wait, have you been updating opkg at all Stroller > |
| 21:45.33 | Stroller | I asked about this on here yesterday |
| 21:45.39 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: don't worry. at least your questions are sane. |
| 21:46.38 | Stroller | recursv: not yet |
| 21:46.52 | recursv | Does anyone know where the qtopia top-shelf config files are likely to be ? |
| 21:47.19 | recursv | and by config I of course mean icon settings references |
| 21:47.23 | Stroller | When "opkg update" gave the 404 sig errors I assumed I wouldn't be able to update any packages |
| 21:47.44 | recursv | yeah, it still updates. The 404 is accurate though |
| 21:48.19 | almien | if opkg upgrade says that /etc/pulse/default.pa has been modified (not touched by my AFAIK) should it be replaced? |
| 21:48.26 | almien | s/my/me/ |
| 21:49.18 | recursv | I'd say if you are updating and you havn't conciously modified the file, you want the new one |
| 21:52.46 | bobkare | almien: You've received your FR? Congrats in that case :) |
| 21:53.03 | almien | hi bobkare. yes, arrived at work today |
| 21:53.39 | doc|work | can't play with his phone - at work |
| 21:54.56 | doc|work | with the default image, how do you know when the batt is full? |
| 21:55.30 | Stroller | I think the icon only shows full once you unplug it |
| 21:55.53 | gmaxwell | hmm.. odd .. my FR has an icon on the upper right with a battery with a red triangle and a bang.. though I'm sure it must be fully charged. |
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| 21:56.57 | doc|work | Stroller: except I don't want to unplug it until it's full :) |
| 21:57.28 | Stroller | lol |
| 21:57.31 | recursv | cute, Can you ssh into it ? |
| 21:57.33 | Stroller | I had this problem yesterday |
| 21:57.44 | gmaxwell | doc|work: It's not NiMH you're not going to create memory by partial charging. ;) |
| 21:57.57 | Stroller | doc|work: what charger are you using? How long has it been plugged in? |
| 21:58.14 | doc|work | Stroller: wall wart, and, hmmm, not sure :) |
| 21:58.21 | Stroller | gmaxwell: I thought you were supposed to give it a FULL charge the first time? That's what the manual says |
| 21:58.23 | doc|work | gmaxwell: sure, and li ion don't explode :) |
| 21:58.29 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: NiMH do not suffer from memory. |
| 21:58.35 | Stroller | doc|work: the wall wart should charge it in only an hour or so. |
| 21:58.37 | doc|work | oh, and I didn't get a manual |
| 21:58.40 | doc|work | ok |
| 21:59.03 | Stroller | doc|work: by "manual" I meant the quick-start guide on the wiki |
| 21:59.07 | doc|work | interface is a bit cryptic |
| 21:59.10 | doc|work | Stroller: ah :) |
| 21:59.15 | Yasumoto | wow, should I be getting a *lot* of updates from opkg? |
| 21:59.18 | almien | nice digital clock -- a font designed for 7 pixels per character of resolution, still used for a device with thousands of pixels... |
| 21:59.44 | SpeedEvil | AlmAck: I lie it. |
| 21:59.46 | SpeedEvil | lami: |
| 22:00.35 | almien | ok so in the middle of an opkg update the freerunner disconnects its USB network (happened twice, in about the same place within opkg upgrade) |
| 22:00.43 | almien | update-alternatives: Linking //usr/bin/ssh to /usr/sbin/dropbearmulti |
| 22:00.45 | almien | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.46 | almien | Restarting Dropbear SSH server: Connection to openmoko closed by remote host. |
| 22:00.48 | almien | Connection to openmoko closed. |
| 22:01.19 | Stroller | almien: you're doing the update whilst ssh'd in? |
| 22:01.32 | almien | Stroller: yes |
| 22:01.38 | Stroller | 1. connect into the terminal app in the GUI |
| 22:01.38 | Stroller | 2. there type/tap "opkg update" |
| 22:01.38 | Stroller | 3. also there type/tap "opkg upgrade dropbear" |
| 22:01.38 | almien | run it from a terminal instead? |
| 22:01.38 | Stroller | 4. connect via SSH |
| 22:01.38 | Stroller | 5. inside the SSH shell, do "opkg upgrade" |
| 22:01.51 | almien | ok, will try thanks |
| 22:02.00 | Yasumoto | I did it through screen |
| 22:02.14 | almien | it has screen? even cooler |
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| 22:03.09 | Yasumoto | whois KLmeet |
| 22:03.21 | Yasumoto | man, I hate random dcc requests.. |
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| 22:06.10 | almien | cool, a browser on freerunner! |
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| 22:06.33 | retracile | So where's this quickStartGuide? |
| 22:06.48 | doc|work | I kinda like this stylus :) |
| 22:06.49 | almien | it's going to need more special-characters on the keyboard though (not having / is even too little on the terminal) |
| 22:07.03 | almien | retracile: like http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner ? |
| 22:08.58 | retracile | almien: thanks. My Googlefu failed me |
| 22:09.05 | almien | ctrl-c would sometimes be useful addition to keyboard too ;) |
| 22:09.08 | Yasumoto | almien: you can edit the keypad stuff in /etc/multitap-pad |
| 22:09.30 | almien | Yasumoto: thanks! |
| 22:09.31 | Yasumoto | I dunno about the ctrl stuff, but I added a / and a > to the 1 key |
| 22:09.36 | Yasumoto | no worries :) |
| 22:09.43 | doc|work | macdonalder: nevermind, phone box arrived, other box still to arrive, have to find out taxes too |
| 22:10.17 | Stroller | Sounds like the matchbox keyboard is a better bet |
| 22:10.36 | Stroller | I found the default one EXTREMELY quirky about accepting my edits |
| 22:15.01 | wurp2|work | Yasumoto: Could you put that on the wiki? Maybe on Switching_Keyboards if you can't find another place to hang it |
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| 22:18.14 | Yasumoto | wurp2|work: sure, I'll post what I've got too |
| 22:19.18 | gmaxwell | I thought the multitap pad wasn't so bad.. but kinda miserablefor adding text.. the querty one is nicer but can't be used with just your fingers. :( |
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| 22:21.03 | Stroller | I kinda fancy the idea of accelerometer-enabled Dasher |
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| 22:21.37 | edistar | I want this marble/maze game for gta02! |
| 22:21.52 | wurp2|work | Yasumoto: thanks! |
| 22:22.16 | recursv | edistar, know of a free implementation we could port > |
| 22:22.18 | recursv | ? |
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| 22:23.37 | edistar | recursv: no :( |
| 22:23.51 | edistar | recursv: neverball :D |
| 22:23.56 | nomeata | Hi. Can I use bitbake with the toolchain, or do I have to set up the complete thing (e.g. with MokoMakefile)? |
| 22:24.59 | almien | seems like USB connection via a mac only works for one session per reboot of the mac... |
| 22:25.23 | Stroller | hands almien a cigar |
| 22:25.26 | Stroller | Sucks, don't it? |
| 22:25.53 | thomasg | get an open pc :) |
| 22:25.58 | almien | doesn't help that my linux PC has broken USB ports |
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| 22:26.20 | raster | almien: you can always get an open operating system that works like linux :) |
| 22:26.24 | almien | I have an asus EEE (with default software), anyone use those for connecting to freerunner? |
| 22:26.40 | almien | raster: what do you mean |
| 22:26.58 | Stroller | Actually, almien, I think you can overcome this by telling the Freerunner to always use the same MAC address (MAC address! haw!) each time it reboots. There's an explanation of this on the wiki - it's the modprobe command which should be used by the Freerunner |
| 22:27.35 | almien | Stroller: sounds good.. |
| 22:28.19 | johngay | Want a laugh? At work we needed a quick way to get the MAC addresses from HP DL360 and ML370 servers, including the PCI cards. |
| 22:29.05 | raster | almien: i assuem u meant plugging in freerunner to mac? |
| 22:29.06 | johngay | We called HP tech support to explain our problem. When we said we needed the MAC addresses, he told us that those were Windows servers, not Macintosh ones. |
| 22:29.48 | almien | raster: yes. I have a mac mini, a linux PC with broken USB ports, and an asus eee available here |
| 22:29.53 | edistar | johngay: :D nice one |
| 22:30.08 | raster | almien: freerunner plugged in to a linux os works 100% of the tiume |
| 22:30.17 | raster | a cdc_ethernet usb ethernet device pops up |
| 22:30.28 | raster | it's never failed on me |
| 22:30.39 | almien | got asked to do something with a 'mach address' at work, according to the spelling on the bug report... |
| 22:31.06 | johngay | After we explained that we didn't mean Macintosh, he asked the top tech guy who said that we had to finish the Windows install because Windows created the MAC addresses. |
| 22:31.15 | raster | each time the kernel assigns a random mac address to the ethernet gadget device |
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| 22:31.34 | trappylappy | how do I edit a text file on the neo? is there something like nano on it |
| 22:31.37 | peepsalot | does bluetooth have faster transfer speed than usb on freerunner? |
| 22:31.42 | almien | trappylappy: vi |
| 22:31.44 | raster | if your mac can't handle the idea of plugging in a different usb ethernet device with a different mac address... it's really got problems. |
| 22:31.46 | raster | :) |
| 22:31.46 | peepsalot | usb 1.1, right? |
| 22:31.47 | trappylappy | thanks |
| 22:31.48 | johngay | We just hung up after that. I burned a Linux rescue CD and just ran ifconfig -a |
| 22:32.02 | raster | trappylappy: vi |
| 22:32.20 | almien | http://www.cs.colostate.edu/helpdocs/vi.html |
| 22:32.20 | edistar | raster: osx does have problems |
| 22:32.26 | raster | johngay: so... why is it u pay for hp support? |
| 22:32.29 | Yasumoto | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards updated |
| 22:32.35 | Yasumoto | I'm out for a while, ttyl guys |
| 22:32.40 | raster | edistar: in general? or for usb ethernet devices? |
| 22:32.40 | raster | :) |
| 22:32.45 | raster | i vot for both |
| 22:32.47 | raster | vote |
| 22:32.48 | raster | :) |
| 22:32.49 | edistar | raster: me too |
| 22:32.57 | johngay | These are new servers bought at work. |
| 22:33.29 | Stroller | Actually, basing the name of the ethernet adaptor on the MAC address does make a lot of sense. It's reasonable to expect a single device to keep the same MAC |
| 22:33.40 | johngay | They set-up 6 of these running Linux so we could build and test our software system on Linux since we refuse to support Vista. |
| 22:33.50 | raster | Stroller: yup. |
| 22:34.00 | edistar | johngay: and you sell what kind of software? |
| 22:34.07 | raster | but nothing should stop it not working if it has a new mac address next time |
| 22:34.09 | u_l-lap | is the devil and forges mac addresses |
| 22:34.10 | raster | it shouldwork |
| 22:34.19 | raster | it just means u need to configure a different device each time |
| 22:34.28 | raster | if u generate names via mac addr's |
| 22:34.44 | raster | tho it'd make sense for us to ship with fixed mac addrs |
| 22:34.48 | trappylappy | so I can ping computers on my own network but can't ping anything on other networks.... |
| 22:34.48 | Dave | rasterize it, baby! |
| 22:34.50 | johngay | For running power distribution systems for electrical supply companies. |
| 22:34.55 | raster | or at leats have the kernel generate the same mac basedon serial # |
| 22:34.56 | raster | etc. |
| 22:34.59 | Stroller | Does `opkg` have a "pretend" option? |
| 22:35.01 | raster | but hey |
| 22:35.03 | raster | nice to haves |
| 22:35.08 | raster | nothng that should stop it working |
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| 22:36.41 | peepsalot | does the current software have an easy way to share files over wifi (samba for example)? |
| 22:36.49 | ieatlint | Stroller, there's a noaction option ... not sure if it will work as you want though |
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| 22:37.22 | Stroller | ieatlint: I just want it to tell me WHICH packages it WOULD upgrade |
| 22:37.35 | ieatlint | peepsalot, the kernel supports cifs and nfs, but most people are just using scp |
| 22:37.49 | almien | when the freerunner reconnects in mac os, the new network in OSX gets the name 'Ethernet adaptor ((null))" instead of "Ethernet adapter (en0)" |
| 22:37.56 | almien | brb, trying reboot |
| 22:38.02 | cjb | Sounds like an OS X bug. |
| 22:38.30 | almien | you would think... maybe will try update of OSX later in case they fix it |
| 22:38.40 | almien | do they fix old versions? |
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| 22:38.45 | peepsalot | ieatlint, is wifi the fastest way to transfer? i think at least theoretically it has higher bandwidth than the USB on freerunner |
| 22:38.54 | Dave | Any idea if the Dim, but don't Lock thing was patched recently? |
| 22:39.07 | Dave | Since I last updated a day or two ago it seems to actually function on one of my phones |
| 22:39.14 | Dave | Thought that might account for it :p |
| 22:39.28 | edistar | Dave: don't think it was fixed |
| 22:39.33 | ieatlint | peepsalot, well, the usb is v1.1, so about 12mbps theoretical, whereas the wifi is 802.11g and 54mbps ... however, that doesn't necessarily reflect the actual throughput one may get |
| 22:39.42 | ieatlint | someone should try tests perhaps... |
| 22:40.10 | ieatlint | i remember pcmcia network cards that were "100mbps" when the bus only supported 33mbps |
| 22:40.19 | ieatlint | it could negotiate 100mbps though.. !! |
| 22:41.14 | Dave | hrm, alright |
| 22:41.17 | Dave | maybe it's a fluke :D |
| 22:41.48 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: err - no |
| 22:42.05 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: Cardbus cards are basically PCI cards. |
| 22:42.22 | ieatlint | it was an old pcmcia interface |
| 22:44.08 | ieatlint | was a 16bit card and bay, type 1 ... had to look it up... been a long time |
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| 22:44.35 | ieatlint | i specifically remembering dealing with it though, hehe |
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| 22:48.15 | Stroller | Anyone else have problems running `screen` on the Freerunner? |
| 22:48.31 | edistar | Stroller: yes |
| 22:48.44 | thewtex_ | what are the problems with screen? |
| 22:48.55 | thewtex_ | is awaiting his freerunner |
| 22:48.59 | Stroller | It's very slow |
| 22:49.03 | Stroller | And quirky |
| 22:49.10 | Stroller | Seems to be working now |
| 22:49.10 | edistar | Stroller: it doesn't even start for me |
| 22:50.15 | Stroller | It took minutes for me the first couple of times I tried it |
| 22:50.23 | Stroller | Once it's going it seems fine |
| 22:50.29 | johngay | Best way to fix something. Ask some else whats wrong with it and the problem goes away (= |
| 22:50.48 | Stroller | `killall screen && screen -wipe && screen -Rd ` |
| 22:50.53 | Stroller | lolol |
| 22:50.53 | mw| | http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15 .. who has made that keyboard, and where can you find the source for it? |
| 22:51.14 | Dave | aww, wish ecraven was here |
| 22:51.20 | Dave | I have more roflicious news regarding neod. :D |
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| 22:54.28 | johngay | So has anyone confirmed a hardware fix for the GPS issue yet? |
| 22:55.00 | Dave | beyond what's on the wiki? |
| 22:55.05 | Dave | ghetto hardware repair, or something |
| 22:55.11 | cjb | It's sounding more and more like the software fix will be entirely adequate. |
| 22:55.14 | Dave | (resoldering the antenna) |
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| 22:56.02 | raster | the software fix should workfor 99% of people and use cases |
| 22:56.17 | cjb | Dave: Oh. That wasn't the problem. |
| 22:56.31 | leinir | As well as reduce battery draw :) Which is always a bonus ;) |
| 22:56.33 | raster | if u need to do lots of SD card IO while getting a gps fix... and have no choice to avoid SD card IO then |
| 22:56.33 | Dave | On your phone? |
| 22:56.37 | raster | then u need a hw fix |
| 22:56.41 | Dave | draws on leinir |
| 22:56.46 | cjb | Dave: With EM noise in the way, it doesn't matter how well soldered the antenna is. |
| 22:56.59 | Dave | and what noise would that be? |
| 22:57.06 | cjb | Dave: The SD clock. |
| 22:57.17 | raster | the noise of yo momma |
| 22:59.37 | johngay | I've heard about the S/W fix. I was just wondering if a H/W one had been found and if it would be included in future batches? |
| 22:59.52 | raster | there is a hw fix |
| 22:59.53 | cjb | Almost certainly to both. |
| 23:00.08 | raster | and chances are that there will be future revisions of the FR board |
| 23:00.22 | raster | so it will likelygo into a future board rev tobe shipped at an unknown date |
| 23:00.31 | cjb | But that's how this always works -- people will keep making hardware revisions as production goes on. |
| 23:00.45 | raster | yup |
| 23:00.51 | raster | almost every product is that way |
| 23:00.52 | leinir | The difference here is just that we actually get told ;) |
| 23:00.59 | cjb | yeah :) |
| 23:00.59 | raster | small problms are found and fixed in hw revs |
| 23:01.10 | raster | so first-day adopters often are caught with the brunt of bugs |
| 23:01.12 | leinir | And more importantly, that we get told what the changes are ;) |
| 23:01.27 | raster | which is why its ALWAYS wise to wait for the first-batch blues to pass |
| 23:01.38 | cozub | :) |
| 23:01.55 | raster | we didnt know about this issue when we decided to ship |
| 23:01.59 | raster | it passed our testing |
| 23:02.00 | balrog-k1n | it won't pass if *everyone* waits ;) |
| 23:02.05 | raster | we just happned to be lucky |
| 23:02.08 | raster | the way it was tsted |
| 23:02.22 | johngay | Let me just say that everyone at OM has been quite outstanding with this issue! I've worked in production facilities and know what goes on behind the scenes. |
| 23:02.24 | leinir | Well... Or unlucky, depending on point of view :) |
| 23:02.25 | raster | balrog-k1n: u know.. there will always be fanbois :) |
| 23:02.32 | leinir | But hey, with this software fix, i'm good :) |
| 23:02.37 | raster | balrog-k1n: apple has made a good living from them! |
| 23:02.39 | raster | :) |
| 23:02.57 | cozub | lol :) |
| 23:03.10 | johngay | Are you rasterman who's been 'disin' the glamo??? |
| 23:03.12 | balrog-k1n | i guess.. so does linksys |
| 23:03.12 | raster | everyone makes mistakes |
| 23:03.16 | cozub | may I ask what bug are you talking about? (I'm not really keeping up recently...) |
| 23:03.16 | raster | eery piece of hw has issues |
| 23:03.24 | donomo | glamo is fun to say. |
| 23:03.26 | raster | most companies cover it up quietly |
| 23:03.29 | raster | and dont let u know |
| 23:03.37 | raster | and update a rev along the way |
| 23:03.42 | cjb | likewise -- the OM team did a great job on this bug. |
| 23:03.52 | raster | johngay: me and the glamo are not the best of friends. |
| 23:04.01 | johngay | Like the one that bricked all the unlocked iPhones? |
| 23:04.10 | leinir | johngay: He's the raster that actually has to work with the bloody thing ;) |
| 23:04.45 | raster | i could go around saying "hey we have these open drivers for a graphics accelration chip in the freerunner and its AWESOME" |
| 23:04.52 | raster | but then i'd probably sound like steve jobs |
| 23:04.54 | johngay | I've been following the M/L at work. I signed up, but I was dropped? |
| 23:05.00 | Stroller | Anyone else see this problem: http://pastebin.com/m3b3b1cbc |
| 23:05.06 | leinir | raster: Indeed - we have people for that, you don't need to ;) |
| 23:05.09 | raster | and also be lying out of my arse. |
| 23:05.11 | raster | :) |
| 23:05.23 | leinir | So, you'd be like steve jobs ;) |
| 23:05.26 | johngay | So you're not american (= |
| 23:05.36 | raster | i say it how it is |
| 23:05.39 | leinir | well, you'd be like (insert name of any corporate front figure here) ;) |
| 23:05.47 | raster | i'd rather u have low expectations |
| 23:05.50 | raster | and be pleasantly surprised |
| 23:05.54 | raster | than the other way around |
| 23:06.03 | raster | i am by nature, a pessimist |
| 23:06.15 | raster | i prefer to go "yah.. i knew that would happen" |
| 23:06.19 | raster | and not be disapointed |
| 23:06.27 | raster | as really - i didnt have any high hopes to lose out on |
| 23:06.28 | raster | :) |
| 23:06.33 | leinir | Yup :) |
| 23:06.34 | wastrel | hey dudes |
| 23:06.36 | raster | the glamo works |
| 23:06.45 | raster | it solved the problem of needing an extra sdio for wifi |
| 23:07.04 | johngay | So, I guess you wouldn't agree with me that nVidia is the best 3D available? |
| 23:07.05 | raster | and takes out video refresh from system memory bus bandwidth overhead |
| 23:07.11 | raster | it can acceleratre things |
| 23:07.14 | Centaur5 | Is there a really easy way to disable the sound when you tap the screen? |
| 23:07.15 | raster | but... there is a limit |
| 23:07.20 | trappylappy | hey, I try to do the usb networking on the wiki but when I "ssh root@192.168.0.202" it just hangs and doesn't say anything |
| 23:07.29 | edistar | trappylappy: wait |
| 23:07.37 | trappylappy | edistar, how long? |
| 23:07.39 | edistar | trappylappy: can you ping it? |
| 23:07.42 | raster | anyway |
| 23:07.46 | raster | its been harped on enough |
| 23:07.54 | raster | me and mr. glamo are not best buddies |
| 23:07.57 | leinir | raster: Indeed :) |
| 23:08.00 | johngay | I |
| 23:08.19 | rivalarrival | Hey, all! |
| 23:08.23 | johngay | I'm glad it's dropped, though there could be a little promise in it. |
| 23:08.32 | raster | it's in freerunner |
| 23:08.33 | trappylappy | edistar, when I ping it just hangs and doesn't say anything as well. but ifconfig on the neo says usb0's inet is 192.168.0.202 |
| 23:08.35 | raster | not dropped |
| 23:08.42 | johngay | I still say nVidia's the best option. |
| 23:08.44 | raster | for gta03 the plan is no glamo right now |
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| 23:08.50 | raster | jo nvidia... hahahhaha |
| 23:08.58 | raster | johngay: nvidia.. hahahahahah |
| 23:09.01 | trappylappy | i'm just going to reboot the phone |
| 23:09.02 | leinir | nvidia... right... ;) |
| 23:09.06 | raster | the day nvidia have open drivers.. let meknow. |
| 23:09.11 | rivalarrival | So, UPS says they moved my phone from Hodgkins Illinois to Hodgkins Indiana. |
| 23:09.24 | leinir | is totally with raster there - give us a shout then ;) |
| 23:09.33 | raster | i'm more interested in qualcomm - god forbid, than nvidia |
| 23:09.33 | johngay | Don't think that will happen, but I do thing I know why their hands are tied. |
| 23:09.44 | Chocky | qualcomm = 1 block away |
| 23:09.48 | raster | i dont care why their hands are tied |
| 23:09.55 | Chocky | qualcomm employee #12 - advisor of ours |
| 23:09.56 | raster | not my problem |
| 23:10.22 | raster | if the drivers for the video h are not open or open ones cannot be written |
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| 23:10.25 | raster | then its a no-go. |
| 23:10.29 | raster | pretty simple. |
| 23:10.34 | cjb | Chocky: oh, you live in SD? |
| 23:10.34 | raster | open docs is a gray area |
| 23:10.39 | Chocky | no ;-) |
| 23:10.43 | cjb | ah. |
| 23:10.44 | Chocky | well, I live in SD County |
| 23:10.48 | raster | Chocky: yeah. qualcomm are not exactly... open. |
| 23:10.57 | raster | Chocky: BUT. i smell a change in he wind a bit. |
| 23:11.14 | Chocky | yes, but that's just left over smoke from the fires ;-) |
| 23:11.14 | raster | Chocky: their latest snapdragon for example uses an ati graphics core.. which is why they have raised my interest |
| 23:11.23 | kdub | i cant believe how long its going to take to compile fso. its like being on gentoo again :P |
| 23:11.32 | cjb | Chocky: I'm in Boston at the moment, but my wife wants us to move to SD in a year or two :) |
| 23:12.31 | raster | Chocky: TI have ben opening up. thir last real stumbling block is their imagination gfx core. |
| 23:12.37 | raster | tats still not open... currently |
| 23:12.46 | raster | but there are plans in the works |
| 23:12.55 | cjb | Chocky: .. but I don't know where I'd get a Linux/free software job there. |
| 23:13.32 | raster | cjb: mucking out the steer yard isnt an open ... sauce jobb? |
| 23:13.34 | raster | :) |
| 23:13.59 | cjb | raster: it does at least do a good job of bypassing ethical concerns about working on closed code :) |
| 23:14.12 | cjb | "can't find a free software job? well, at leasr I could muck out the steer yard." |
| 23:14.13 | raster | hahahah |
| 23:14.26 | donomo | cow pies for the win |
| 23:15.25 | Chocky | cjb: there are some. poke on Linkedin, etc. Chumby were looking for someone - they're uber OSS |
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| 23:15.47 | Chocky | what I do is mostly Debian - build routers. some closed stuff of course. |
| 23:15.54 | SpeedEvil | raster: don't forget the calypso, and 3G chips. |
| 23:16.08 | johngay | I think nVidia release as much as they legally can in the kernel driver sources. What's hidden in the binary file is what they don't have the rights to release, but they won't admit that publicly. |
| 23:17.02 | raster | SpeedEvil: calypso... i think is dead.. but in general yes.. 3g/comms is an issue |
| 23:17.38 | raster | SpeedEvil: as long as qualcom provide a serial port with at commandset to the 3d subsystem... i'm happy. if they dont.. they'd better provide open drivers... or allow for them to be written |
| 23:17.40 | SpeedEvil | imagines a happy world where everything comes with source and docs. |
| 23:18.07 | SpeedEvil | ponders a 3d subsystem over RS232. |
| 23:18.13 | Chocky | that world got killed by MS in 1981 or so |
| 23:18.16 | cjb | johngay: We don't want their driver source, we want specifications that we can write drivers to. |
| 23:18.16 | SpeedEvil | presumes that was a G. |
| 23:18.34 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: it got killed by the anti-trust suits against IBM to an extent. |
| 23:18.35 | cjb | johngay: And there isn't a good excuse for not giving them. ATI's doing a fine job. |
| 23:18.35 | Chocky | source would be find if it was suitable free. In fact, that would be best of all |
| 23:18.40 | Chocky | fine |
| 23:18.45 | Chocky | er, suitably |
| 23:18.49 | raster | SpeedEvil: yeah.. meant.. g... :) |
| 23:19.05 | cjb | Chocky: Most of the driver writers I've spoken to say that specs would be basically as good as source. And if you had to pick one, you'd progably pick specs instead of source. |
| 23:19.08 | trappylappy | help! I can't connect to the freerunner by usb, it's timing out |
| 23:19.09 | johngay | And what if they don't have the rights to release those? They bought most of their stuff from other companies. |
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| 23:19.24 | SpeedEvil | raster: some of the chips have problems in that they are 3g+application processors, which I guess are impossible to use openly. |
| 23:19.26 | johngay | Don't see any 3D stuff from ATI either. |
| 23:19.29 | cjb | johngay: I humbly suggest that you're giving them a cop-out that strains belief. |
| 23:19.30 | Chocky | cjb: yes, but you'd saving massive amounts of time with something that already works well :p |
| 23:19.32 | edistar | johngay: then one doesn't use their chips |
| 23:19.46 | Chocky | would pick source. I don't want to reinvent the wheel |
| 23:20.12 | raster | SpeedEvil: it all depends how is done - indeed. the "gsm/3g" stack may b a some realtime os under a hypervisor |
| 23:20.15 | SpeedEvil | Blob with stable ABI isn't too bad IMO. |
| 23:20.21 | raster | where linux is just a guest os |
| 23:20.22 | raster | who knows |
| 23:20.27 | raster | devil is in he details |
| 23:20.31 | cjb | johngay: This came out just three days ago: |
| 23:20.32 | mmontour | trappylappy: check that usb0 is configured right on your host PC (192.168.0.200). If you're also using 192.168.0.x network addresses elsewhere on your network you may need to add a specific route statement for the Neo |
| 23:20.36 | cjb | http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/ |
| 23:20.38 | SpeedEvil | raster: always true. |
| 23:20.40 | cjb | http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/r600isa.pdf |
| 23:20.50 | cjb | looks like 3D specs for r600 to me. |
| 23:20.56 | SpeedEvil | Ohh. ISA. |
| 23:20.59 | trappylappy | mmontour, thanks |
| 23:21.05 | SpeedEvil | connects it to his AT. |
| 23:21.20 | cjb | SpeedEvil: As in "instruction set architecture", no? |
| 23:21.23 | SpeedEvil | needs to throw away his AT stuff. |
| 23:21.26 | SpeedEvil | cjb: yes. |
| 23:21.29 | raster | SpeedEvil: i'd at least like to know if they are willing to play the open game |
| 23:21.37 | raster | maybe they are |
| 23:21.37 | raster | maybe not |
| 23:21.39 | SpeedEvil | cjb: unles they've done something spectacularly wierd. |
| 23:21.58 | SpeedEvil | raster: I suspect the answer is 'Yes sure! How many millions did you want again?' |
| 23:22.06 | cjb | johngay: I see no plausible reason for "we don't have the rights to release what the registers on our cards do when you write to them". I've never heard that claim from any vendor before. |
| 23:22.29 | raster | SpeedEvil: HAHHAA we can always just buy them and open it up... |
| 23:22.29 | raster | :) |
| 23:22.36 | cjb | and the fact that ATI/AMD is doing it suggests that it is possible for modern 3D cards. |
| 23:22.52 | johngay | But who knows what DNA's they signed when they bought most of their tech? |
| 23:22.54 | SpeedEvil | cjb: they bought a block of IP from someone without the appropriate rights to release docs. |
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| 23:23.43 | raster | SpeedEvil: but seriously.. beyond gta03 we have majorneed for a new SOC.. and in this age SOC comes with just about everything - kitchen sink too (gfx, audio, media encode/decode, etc. etc.) |
| 23:23.55 | raster | some of them include wifi and gsm/3g (like the qualcomm) |
| 23:23.58 | cjb | SpeedEvil: ATI certainly claims to have done this for their *code*, and is why they aren't open-sourcing the fglrx driver. But they aren't claiming it for what happens when you bitbang registers on their cards, and it sounds totally implausible to me. |
| 23:23.59 | SpeedEvil | cjb: if you've developed it in house, that's not really an issue. |
| 23:23.59 | SpeedEvil | wishes FPGAs were cheap. (board area, power, $). |
| 23:24.09 | raster | we need something modern and fast |
| 23:24.15 | johngay | Sun bought StarOffice with the sole intention of releasing as OSS, and still had to rip out a lot of stuff they couldn't release. |
| 23:24.22 | SpeedEvil | raster: I thought the S3C6410 or whatever it was? |
| 23:24.29 | SpeedEvil | raster: was in the frame. |
| 23:24.30 | cjb | johngay: The analogy does not hold. |
| 23:24.34 | raster | SpeedEvil: thats an interesting case |
| 23:24.38 | cjb | You're talking about releasing code. I don't want code. |
| 23:24.38 | SpeedEvil | raster: or has the 04 planning been thrown out? |
| 23:24.46 | raster | SpeedEvil: we can get docs for the 6400 and its 2d gfx isnt too bad |
| 23:24.50 | raster | a big step up from glamo |
| 23:24.55 | cjb | I'm talking about how to program hardware, as a black box, without knowing what algorithms it uses internalls. |
| 23:24.55 | raster | no 3d or fancy stuff |
| 23:24.56 | cjb | y |
| 23:25.09 | SpeedEvil | raster: no docs onb the 3D pin-compat part? |
| 23:25.20 | SpeedEvil | likes pin compatibility. |
| 23:25.27 | raster | but 6410's 3d accel (ie the fancy gfx stuff with shaders etc.) is a black blob of which i have yet to find any info from samsung on its programming specs |
| 23:25.30 | johngay | They bought spec's when the bought the other 3D companies. Who knows what kind of restrictions were in those purchases? |
| 23:25.35 | raster | sp bingo |
| 23:25.36 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 23:25.41 | raster | they list specs |
| 23:25.45 | raster | like the checklist stuff |
| 23:25.50 | raster | and some limitations;/details |
| 23:25.55 | SpeedEvil | raster: which lead to glamo. |
| 23:25.59 | raster | (eg 2048x2048 max texture size) |
| 23:26.15 | raster | the "limits" they list seem to suggest its actually quite a nice gpu |
| 23:26.21 | raster | "suggest" |
| 23:26.22 | raster | BUT |
| 23:26.24 | balrog-k1n | raster: can we redistribute the s3c6400 docs? |
| 23:26.32 | raster | cant get details |
| 23:26.38 | raster | which may mean u cant have open drivers... |
| 23:26.43 | raster | which... means.. pfffft :( |
| 23:26.44 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 23:26.49 | mw| | I would like to have specs like that |
| 23:26.50 | SpeedEvil | Yet more work for raster! |
| 23:26.54 | raster | balrog-k1n: the 6400 docs were availabel in public for a while |
| 23:26.59 | raster | so as such the 6400 is open |
| 23:27.01 | SpeedEvil | raster: they're not. |
| 23:27.08 | raster | the 6410 - is a drop-in pin compatible etc. upgrade |
| 23:27.09 | cjb | johngay: Makes no sense to me. nVidia defines what the registers on their chipsets do, they don't incorporate another company's chipset. |
| 23:27.14 | raster | with the 3d core and able to dohigher clockrates |
| 23:27.17 | SpeedEvil | raster: you can't get them without having an appropriate corporate website. |
| 23:27.17 | edistar | raster: no OS drivers? |
| 23:27.29 | cjb | They can incorporate another company's *code*, but that's not relevant because I don't want them to release that. |
| 23:27.32 | raster | SpeedEvil: not anymore.. they WERE available at a point |
| 23:27.32 | raster | and were pulled |
| 23:27.37 | SpeedEvil | raster: ah |
| 23:27.42 | johngay | linuxhater makes a great case about nVidia's superiority with MMU/GPU tech. But most of that tech was bought from other companies in the early days. |
| 23:27.55 | raster | thus... anyone could have gotten them then and thus kept them and tell everyone about them and their contents |
| 23:27.56 | raster | ... |
| 23:27.59 | SpeedEvil | raster: seen that teardown of the iphone? |
| 23:28.04 | raster | so i say thats "leakd and open". |
| 23:28.08 | SpeedEvil | notes he has dcc_autoget set to true? |
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| 23:28.18 | RXShorty | Hi all |
| 23:28.22 | raster | the 6410 is anothe rmatter as the whole 3d core is a lack unknown box |
| 23:28.27 | johngay | nVidia is a combination of the various other companies they've bought over that last >10 years. |
| 23:28.29 | doc|work | stupid suspend |
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| 23:28.35 | raster | sp and no. i ingore the iphone. i hear to much of it as is |
| 23:28.39 | johngay | They inovated very little. |
| 23:28.53 | SpeedEvil | raster: uses same GPS as GTA01 interestingly. |
| 23:28.54 | RXShorty | Question: Flashing the Freerunner. The wiki sais: ./dfu-util -a (partion name) -R -D (download image file name) |
| 23:29.06 | raster | SpeedEvil: ahahha |
| 23:29.06 | SpeedEvil | raster: but otherwise no major surprises. |
| 23:29.13 | raster | SpeedEvil: we're happywith our ublox |
| 23:29.14 | RXShorty | But partition name: what to put there to sett it to the Micro-SD-Card |
| 23:29.14 | raster | very happy |
| 23:29.20 | SpeedEvil | GPS is currently affected by a problem when the SD is accessed - it seems to lose or find it very hard to obtain - lock on satellites. There is a patch to turn off the clock to SD when not using it, but accessing SD will still disturb GPS. There is a hardware fix, but how this can be applied to units in the field is unclear at the moment. |
| 23:29.30 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:29.53 | SpeedEvil | Does it look like there is a fix - it's fixable with minor rework? |
| 23:30.06 | SpeedEvil | Rahter than the software patch. |
| 23:30.07 | raster | SpeedEvil: but we really need a better soc |
| 23:30.09 | raster | i dont mind the 6400 |
| 23:30.19 | raster | but really even the 6400 may b a bit old by the time we get toit |
| 23:30.24 | raster | so might need to look a bit ahead... |
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| 23:30.42 | raster | omap is looking also good as it just has so much support from TI |
| 23:30.48 | SpeedEvil | raster: existing SOC would be OK for GTA03 - released now. In 6 months, it gets less shiny. |
| 23:30.48 | raster | EXCEPt that damn imagination gfx core... |
| 23:31.01 | johngay | What about OpenGraphics??? |
| 23:31.08 | raster | johngay: hahahhaha. |
| 23:31.11 | SpeedEvil | johngay: opengraphics is mostly useless |
| 23:31.12 | thomasg | :) |
| 23:31.13 | raster | (sorry - have to laugh there) |
| 23:31.19 | SpeedEvil | johngay: FPGAs use lots more power. |
| 23:31.23 | raster | johngay: what SpeedEvil said |
| 23:31.28 | raster | the summary is "dont bother" |
| 23:31.36 | raster | this is low-power embedded here |
| 23:31.42 | raster | every miliwat matters |
| 23:31.43 | SpeedEvil | johngay: it would in principle be possible if OM burned an ASIC - but that's utterly, utterly insane. |
| 23:31.51 | thomasg | I'd really like to see a omap3 - even if this means paying the powervr without using it |
| 23:31.57 | SpeedEvil | johngay: even iphone doesn't do that. |
| 23:32.03 | raster | we'd be better off shipping a system with 2 or 3 soc's |
| 23:32.14 | johngay | But the FPGA is only the dev platform. They plan to spin as ASIC at some point. Maybe by the time GTA3 is coming out? |
| 23:32.14 | raster | and just use 1 or 2 of the "spare" soc's as gfx execution slaves |
| 23:32.15 | seek0 | anyone know how I might get socat onto my 1-hour-old freerunner? opkg list isn't helping me too much |
| 23:32.19 | raster | than using an fpga |
| 23:32.33 | raster | especially if its a new cortex ARM with all the 128bit simd instructions... |
| 23:32.37 | SpeedEvil | johngay: 'plan to spin an asic' is big words. |
| 23:32.54 | thomasg | raster, yeah, but seems the cortex is only to get in the big omap3 |
| 23:32.59 | raster | johngay: no chance. |
| 23:33.02 | johngay | Selling an Open Phone was also big words (= |
| 23:33.07 | SpeedEvil | johngay: butthe problem is that an ASIC - in small volumes on an old process is going to eat power almost as bad as an FPGA. |
| 23:33.08 | raster | even i they have an asic they'll spend the next 5-10 years working on power consumption and reduction |
| 23:33.09 | thomasg | and I guess this is not the SoC to have twice or triple :) |
| 23:33.36 | raster | thomasg: hahaha |
| 23:33.43 | SpeedEvil | johngay: the only way you could get power use down would be to use a modern process - which is horribly expensive unless your runs are hundreds of thousands. |
| 23:33.44 | raster | thomasg: but.. maybe 2 or 3 6400's |
| 23:33.53 | thomasg | I'd rather go with freescale |
| 23:34.01 | SpeedEvil | raster: 3 - one red, one green, one blue. |
| 23:34.03 | raster | with tne 2nd (and3rd if u include it) dedicated to "media processing" |
| 23:34.09 | raster | (ie gfx accel) |
| 23:34.11 | SpeedEvil | raster: do we need one for alpha channel too? |
| 23:34.17 | raster | hahaha |
| 23:34.31 | thomasg | let's take another one for switching faster between SD and GPS :P |
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| 23:34.54 | raster | heehe |
| 23:34.59 | raster | seriously tho |
| 23:34.59 | johngay | not to mention a Linux-based hand-held games console was big words. That also happened. |
| 23:35.02 | raster | ompa3 looks nice |
| 23:35.07 | raster | except that imagination gpu |
| 23:35.17 | SpeedEvil | raster: I assume no docs? |
| 23:35.19 | raster | if that can come open... we are talking a real contender |
| 23:35.21 | SpeedEvil | raster: on the gpu |
| 23:35.23 | raster | spyup. |
| 23:35.28 | raster | SpeedEvil: yup |
| 23:35.30 | raster | closed |
| 23:35.30 | thomasg | yeah - the pandora-guys are claiming to get a open driver for the powervr, but I still doubt that. |
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| 23:35.46 | raster | TI have pushed imagination to be moreopen |
| 23:35.47 | Chocky | hum |
| 23:35.47 | thomasg | but even without it, the omap3 is the most powerful thing to get in a mobile device |
| 23:35.51 | Chocky | pandor'a |
| 23:35.55 | Chocky | pandora |
| 23:35.56 | raster | and i thing they have agreed to a binary blob driver |
| 23:35.57 | Chocky | ah! |
| 23:36.04 | raster | that is basically some form of access library |
| 23:36.04 | Chocky | pandora's pretty cool though |
| 23:36.08 | johngay | But I don't know what kind of timeframe OpenGraphics will take to get mass-production ASIC's out. |
| 23:36.15 | raster | and that of course can always be reverse-enigneered |
| 23:36.35 | johngay | Who's talking about pandora? |
| 23:36.38 | thomasg | johngay, even if opengraphics gets it's hardware out - no chance in mobile/embedded |
| 23:36.47 | raster | thomasg: dunno. the snapdragon looks petty beefy. |
| 23:36.57 | Chocky | its |
| 23:37.07 | SpeedEvil | thomasg: It's not fundamentally imposible - just an order of magnitude harder. |
| 23:37.19 | SpeedEvil | thomasg: though external busses will always hurt power use. |
| 23:37.43 | thomasg | I don't see something like this coming the next 3-5 years. |
| 23:38.08 | SpeedEvil | ponders a GPU made from one 450mm wafer. |
| 23:38.19 | raster | SpeedEvil: yeah. i just dont see external busses working for embedded |
| 23:38.27 | Chocky | ponders one made of a waffle |
| 23:38.30 | raster | gpus will really be rolled on-dye along with cpu etc. |
| 23:38.52 | raster | system like gfx that need MEATY fast busses just are best left sharing the system memory bus |
| 23:38.52 | raster | etc. |
| 23:39.06 | johngay | Just like the math co-processors were. |
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| 23:39.23 | johngay | And the MMU's |
| 23:39.23 | SpeedEvil | is writing a GPU ATM. |
| 23:39.34 | SpeedEvil | (bit-banging a colour LCD) |
| 23:39.38 | johngay | Really? kewl. |
| 23:39.46 | Stroller | Can you get the Trac to email you when tickets are updated? |
| 23:40.07 | SpeedEvil | (for the very littlest value of g - it can do lines and dots and one font. |
| 23:40.20 | SpeedEvil | Stroller: yes |
| 23:40.33 | johngay | I used a software GPU for my rubik's cube game. |
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| 23:40.43 | Stroller | SpeedEvil: how? I can't see it in Preferences on the Trac |
| 23:40.48 | kdub | raster: do you do interface work for the fso? |
| 23:40.52 | SpeedEvil | Stroller: I cunno. |
| 23:41.04 | SpeedEvil | Stroller: I just know that I've gotten mail in the past. |
| 23:41.06 | Stroller | lol |
| 23:41.08 | Stroller | Thanks |
| 23:41.16 | SpeedEvil | s/cun/dun/ |
| 23:42.25 | raster | kdub: no. all my time is eaten up by doing ASU |
| 23:42.53 | nomeata | HI. Why does MokoMakefile (or bitbaker) build native (i638) versions of things like libsdl-native-1.2.11-r2 when I want to build an arm package? |
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| 23:43.33 | Chocky | sometimes there are stupid build dependencies that require native stuff. But that's a bit of an odd requirement |
| 23:43.50 | SpeedEvil | qemu? |
| 23:43.55 | kdub | raster: ah, ok. needless to say, i think i'm going to start with that |
| 23:43.56 | nomeata | hmm. and expensive wrt to time and space |
| 23:43.58 | Chocky | yeah, troo |
| 23:44.11 | Chocky | hasn't built it himself, FWIW |
| 23:44.12 | nomeata | SpeedEvil: ah, thatâs a good guess. Although I never stated that I want qemu, I just want to build packages :-) |
| 23:44.17 | Chocky | but at least you should only need to do it once |
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| 23:44.32 | SpeedEvil | nomeata: I think the default builds qemu too. |
| 23:44.43 | raster | kdub: what do u mkan? |
| 23:44.45 | raster | err |
| 23:44.47 | raster | kdub: what do u mean? |
| 23:44.57 | Dave | Eh? |
| 23:45.25 | nomeata | BTW, assuming some day thatâs finished, and I start to hack on some packages, what is the prefered form of patch submisison? |
| 23:45.35 | nomeata | The kind of files that lie next to the .bb file? |
| 23:45.39 | nomeata | git patches? |
| 23:45.54 | nomeata | patches against the subversion code, if present? |
| 23:46.21 | nomeata | or maybe even branching and putting the git repository somewhere, for the devs to pull from? |
| 23:47.35 | kelvie_work | git format-patch generally |
| 23:47.36 | SirBob1701 | i'm trying to install mimo and when i use scp i get "Connection to 192.168.0.202 closed." but i can ssh into the phone. so? |
| 23:47.47 | kelvie_work | and then git send-email to send them |
| 23:48.06 | nomeata | kelvie_work: and them is devel@lists.openmoko.org? |
| 23:48.22 | kelvie_work | unless you're a trusted contributor, maintainers generally won't pull from you (or they shouldn't) |
| 23:48.25 | kelvie_work | not sure |
| 23:48.29 | kelvie_work | this is just basic git workflow though |
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| 23:50.39 | nomeata | kelvie_work: ok, thx. |
| 23:54.16 | Stroller | SpeedEvil: looks like Trac just notifies you automatically of updates to any bug upon which you've commented |
| 23:54.33 | SpeedEvil | stro' ah |
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| 23:56.38 | Dave | How are you gentlemen? |
| 23:57.25 | kd8ikt | bashing my head open with asterisk |
| 23:57.32 | russellb | O.O |
| 23:57.46 | russellb | kd8ikt: what's your issue? |
| 23:58.06 | SpeedEvil | takes kd8ikts *, rounds off the corners, and passes him back the much safer 'o'. |
| 23:58.09 | kd8ikt | been awhile since i had a server running so it might take me a bit to get back in the swing |
| 23:58.18 | russellb | gotcha. |
| 23:58.37 | russellb | have you seen the O'Reilly book? It's the best documentation, by far. (free PDF download, asteriskdocs.org) |
| 23:59.42 | russellb | also, you can hit up #asterisk with specific questions (as long as you're not using a GUI, in which case you will get flamed ...) |
