| 00:00.00 | cjb | (probably have to fix up GPS somehow first, though, gah.) |
| 00:01.37 | SpeedEvil | cjb: tangogps not work for you? |
| 00:16.45 | quickdev | SpeedEvil, gps didn't work for me, too |
| 00:16.46 | SpeedEvil | quickdev: :( |
| 00:16.46 | cjb | SpeedEvil: ah, I don't have the FR yet :) |
| 00:16.46 | cjb | should be here in two days. |
| 00:16.46 | bricode | I was able to get TangoGPS working today. |
| 00:16.46 | SpeedEvil | quickdev: I would offer to solder it for you. |
| 00:16.46 | cjb | neat. reliably? |
| 00:16.46 | SpeedEvil | quickdev: but... |
| 00:16.46 | quickdev | but? ;) |
| 00:16.46 | bricode | cjb: Depends on how you define reliably. It locked on to the satellites, but didn't seem stable.It kept thinking it was moving around but was stationary. |
| 00:16.47 | SpeedEvil | quickdev: you're probably not anywhere near me |
| 00:16.47 | feitingen | i got tangogps working perfectly with an external bluetooth gps |
| 00:16.47 | quickdev | SpeedEvil, where are you? ;) |
| 00:16.47 | SpeedEvil | UK |
| 00:16.47 | cjb | bricode: Interesting. |
| 00:16.47 | SpeedEvil | Fife, scotland. |
| 00:16.47 | cjb | bricode: I wonder how plausible replacing the internal antenna with an "external" antenna inside the case is. |
| 00:16.47 | quickdev | hehe, islander, I'm from germany |
| 00:16.48 | quickdev | SpeedEvil, does GPS require a recent kernel? |
| 00:16.48 | SpeedEvil | cjb: pointless |
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| 00:16.48 | SpeedEvil | quickdev: no |
| 00:16.48 | bricode | cjb: Yeah. Seems like the coordinates needed a low-pass filter on the data. |
| 00:16.48 | SpeedEvil | cjb: it's a simple resolder job |
| 00:16.48 | cjb | SpeedEvil: that's not really proven yet |
| 00:16.48 | cjb | SpeedEvil: but sounds worth trying that first. |
| 00:16.49 | bricode | SpeedEvil: For me, no resolder job is simple. |
| 00:16.49 | quickdev | SpeedEvil, the agps-ui didn't show any signal at all |
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| 00:16.49 | quickdev | doesn't openmoko offer to do the soldering for defect devices? :) |
| 00:16.50 | SpeedEvil | I guess so. |
| 00:16.50 | cjb | yeah, presumably some people will be returning their phones. |
| 00:16.50 | SpeedEvil | That's not beenconfirmed yet though. |
| 00:16.50 | bricode | Sounds like an expensive endeavor. |
| 00:16.50 | quickdev | yeah, we'll see - SpeedEvil, did you resolder yours? |
| 00:16.50 | SpeedEvil | It may be they're happy to let people solder on it themselves, and then fix any screwups. |
| 00:16.51 | SpeedEvil | quickdev: I don't have a FR |
| 00:16.51 | quickdev | but you ordered one? |
| 00:16.51 | ieatlint | i tried my gps out for the first time today |
| 00:16.51 | SpeedEvil | I lack the cash at the moent. |
| 00:16.52 | ieatlint | had to walk about a mile... started it |
| 00:16.52 | ieatlint | 6 minutes it, it got 1 sat |
| 00:16.53 | SpeedEvil | I'm on a small disability allowance, and spent the small amount I had saved on roof repairs. |
| 00:16.53 | ieatlint | exactly 700 seconds in it got a lock on 4 sats... which then increased to 9, and maintained even as i walked under bridges |
| 00:16.53 | bricode | ieatlint: How do you tell how many sats? |
| 00:16.53 | cjb | SpeedEvil: ouch, that's no fun. |
| 00:16.53 | SpeedEvil | cjb: no. |
| 00:16.54 | ieatlint | bricode, the openmoko-agpsui tells you |
| 00:16.55 | quickdev | ah, not good. |
| 00:16.56 | bricode | ieatlint: Ah. |
| 00:16.56 | ieatlint | i re-ran the gps when i got onto a train... it could only see one satellite in 40 minutes of trying... but we were going fast |
| 00:16.57 | ieatlint | definitely subpar in getting a fix, average once it has one |
| 00:16.57 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: soe trains have GPS resistant windows. |
| 00:16.57 | ieatlint | this one doesn't ... i've a bluetooth gps reciever i used with my old phone |
| 00:16.57 | ieatlint | it had no problems |
| 00:16.58 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if there are some issues with partially broken GPSs |
| 00:16.58 | SpeedEvil | It'd be good if people'd post the signal levels they get |
| 00:16.58 | SpeedEvil | Under known connditions perhaps. |
| 00:16.58 | ieatlint | i took a screenshot when i first got lock, actually... shows the levels |
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| 00:20.03 | ieatlint | this is me walking down a street lined with trees, homes, and small businesses: http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/gps-signal-strength.png |
| 00:20.12 | ieatlint | not too bad, really |
| 00:21.07 | ieatlint | i should pair my bluetooth gps to the freerunner and run the two gps receivers in parallel |
| 00:21.30 | SpeedEvil | I mean - it'd be good to have a nice set of values. |
| 00:22.01 | feitingen | ieatlint: i think they will show the same, but the bluetooth one will probably draw less power |
| 00:22.11 | SpeedEvil | If 90% are at '10' and work well, 5% are at 5, and mostly work, and 5% are at 3 or below, and don't work at all really, youwant to fi the 10%, not the 5% |
| 00:24.16 | adsllc | Have you tried a "Cold reset" from the "run" menu? That's seemed to help for me. |
| 00:26.39 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: You're lucky. I don't have a fix. |
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| 00:28.28 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r3173ea628bb1 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (gpschannel.py ubx.py): ogpsd: Add more message formats, allow sending of messages |
| 00:30.24 | rivalarrival | I'd think that the bluetooth radio would draw more power than the GPS... I should look into that... |
| 00:30.46 | SpeedEvil | I think it's similar. |
| 00:31.04 | ieatlint | well, i dunno, but bringing a bluetooth receiver with me isn't always fun |
| 00:31.25 | ieatlint | although it is nicer for some things, since i can stash it where it gets signal and use my device elsewhere |
| 00:31.53 | SpeedEvil | avr: ah |
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| 00:33.08 | ieatlint | does the gps receiver use more power when it is trying to get a fix than when it has one? |
| 00:34.01 | rivalarrival | No, it's not all that convenient..., but I figured that the receive-only GPS module would probably use less power than the bluetooth transceiver... But I guess I'm forgetting that the GPS has some kind of processing onboard... |
| 00:34.46 | ayeuu | hum, I've got a kernel panic when booting from the SD, with "VFS: cannot open root device "mmcblk0p2" or unknown-block(179,2)" with my FR, can anyone help me please ? |
| 00:35.38 | ayeuu | I've downloaded a rootfs (openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2), made 2 partition like uboot says (1st in dos for the image, 2nd in ext2 with rootfs) |
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| 00:48.32 | mmontour | ayeuu: check the irc logs for the last couple of days - others have had that same problem but I don't know what the solution was |
| 00:49.06 | ayeuu | I haven't got the logs of it |
| 00:49.12 | mmontour | !logs |
| 00:49.13 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 00:49.14 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 00:49.15 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 00:49.16 | ayeuu | :) |
| 00:49.16 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 00:49.18 | ayeuu | thx |
| 00:49.18 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
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| 01:14.56 | ferric | how do i make a new kernel image with mokomakefile? |
| 01:14.58 | ferric | rwhitby: ping? |
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| 01:16.36 | ayeuu | hum, I haven't found any solution about the kernel panic :/ |
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| 01:17.55 | SpeedEvil | ferric: it'll make it when you do make openmoko-devel-image - or any of the targets |
| 01:18.27 | ferric | SpeedEvil: thanks. |
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| 01:28.39 | Dave | Hello ferric :) |
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| 01:34.49 | walrustown | has anybody started work on an accelerometer-based rolling ball game? |
| 01:36.15 | Dave | Don't think so :P |
| 01:37.00 | wastrel | there's an open source one for palmos |
| 01:37.05 | kd8ikt | think top priority is the driver first and X11 integration |
| 01:37.27 | Dave | haha, clearly :p |
| 01:37.36 | kd8ikt | i belive neither of those exist yet |
| 01:37.46 | walrustown | the accelerometer driver doesn't exist? |
| 01:38.01 | kd8ikt | sure you can prolly cat the /dev/input/event2-3 but... |
| 01:38.03 | walrustown | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval makes it look like it does |
| 01:38.14 | walrustown | ah, but there's no neat library yet? |
| 01:38.43 | kd8ikt | a input daemon |
| 01:38.53 | Dave | hah! |
| 01:38.55 | Dave | Correct. |
| 01:39.08 | wastrel | http://www.harbaum.org/till/palm/mulg/index.html |
| 01:39.11 | wastrel | ^^ palm one |
| 01:39.11 | kd8ikt | calibrator |
| 01:39.21 | walrustown | does the palm have accels? |
| 01:39.39 | wastrel | no there was a hardware hack for the serial port |
| 01:40.29 | walrustown | hmm should be much better with a builtin one :) |
| 01:41.06 | walrustown | is there any info on how to access the 3d acceleration? |
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| 01:45.14 | kd8ikt | glamogood question |
| 01:46.21 | walrustown | I really want to make a neat tilt maze game, but I don't wanna do it without access to 2d/3d acceleration |
| 01:46.45 | walrustown | I'd rather spend my time on fun stuff than optimizing blits :P |
| 01:46.56 | kd8ikt | oh you know whatd be cool |
| 01:47.15 | kd8ikt | that old boardgame labrinth |
| 01:47.22 | kd8ikt | with the marble |
| 01:47.29 | walrustown | yeah that's exactly what I'm talking about |
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| 01:47.31 | Dave | hah |
| 01:47.42 | kd8ikt | thats awesome |
| 01:47.47 | walrustown | you'd tilt the phone to tilt the board |
| 01:47.55 | balrog-k1n | i have seen this one on some phone |
| 01:48.22 | balrog-k1n | although it used the camera instead of accelerometers, to know when you tilted the phone |
| 01:48.33 | walrustown | wow, sounds compute intensive |
| 01:48.41 | Dave | :D |
| 01:48.44 | balrog-k1n | yeah, but it kind of worked |
| 01:49.12 | walrustown | that's cool |
| 01:49.23 | walrustown | it should be quite playable with the accels on the FR hopefully |
| 01:49.32 | kd8ikt | http://www.otherlandtoys.co.uk/labyrinth500.jpg |
| 01:49.52 | walrustown | nice |
| 01:50.37 | kd8ikt | i'd stick to 2d first then build from that |
| 01:50.37 | balrog-k1n | personally i think it's a bit a waste of time ;) |
| 01:50.52 | balrog-k1n | especially that the game isn't much fun |
| 01:50.57 | rivalarrival | When can I play Wolf3D? |
| 01:51.11 | walrustown | As soon as you port it :) |
| 01:52.00 | rivalarrival | Ah, come on. I don't want to work on it, I just want to use it! With my iPhone, I could just use it and it worked! |
| 01:52.18 | rivalarrival | stops acting like a spoiled iBrat. |
| 01:52.36 | kd8ikt | i thought you were serious untill i read your /nick |
| 01:54.24 | rivalarrival | Nah, I'll help where I can. But I'm more than a bit noobish. |
| 01:55.12 | iBra1 | Damnit! |
| 01:55.21 | kd8ikt | does the axis meter need an input/deamon or just an x11 dpad type "driver" that can read their data and interpret it as directions |
| 01:56.03 | kd8ikt | i'm sure there has to be something like that already in X11 right? this cant be the first X11 accellerometer implementation can it? |
| 01:56.27 | walrustown | I don't understand what accelerometers have to do with X |
| 01:56.37 | SpeedEvil | walrustown: it's an input device |
| 01:56.45 | walrustown | i see |
| 01:57.00 | SpeedEvil | LoRez: and get condensation on the back of the books. |
| 01:57.00 | balrog-k1n | walrustown: i think they want to use it to move the cursor |
| 01:57.00 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 01:57.08 | balrog-k1n | i'm not sure how clicking is going to work :p |
| 01:57.11 | kd8ikt | like when you have to edit xorg.conf for input driver=imps2 |
| 01:57.21 | walrustown | ok that makes sense then |
| 01:58.18 | kd8ikt | steal some source from the X11 wii mote driver |
| 01:58.56 | kd8ikt | http://www.resplect.com/xwii/downloads.php |
| 01:59.15 | balrog-k1n | kd8ikt: wouldn't it work with the standard driver? |
| 01:59.29 | balrog-k1n | (although admittedly useless) |
| 01:59.59 | balrog-k1n | the accelerometer is just an input device, indistinguishable from mouse for X11 |
| 02:00.08 | balrog-k1n | except it can't click :p |
| 02:00.31 | kd8ikt | x,y,z |
| 02:00.45 | balrog-k1n | ah |
| 02:01.08 | kd8ikt | mouse is just x,y + buttons |
| 02:01.25 | balrog-k1n | still the evdev driver should read those x,y fine |
| 02:01.41 | balrog-k1n | it has nothing to do with the z anyway |
| 02:02.26 | rivalarrival | I used the wiimote setup like that... It was a royal PITA to try to use. |
| 02:02.46 | kd8ikt | i'm sure i'll have a better outlook fri when i get my moko and can really fart with it |
| 02:03.03 | rivalarrival | Haha, mine comes Thursday. |
| 02:03.16 | kd8ikt | where you live? |
| 02:03.17 | walrustown | mine's here tomorrow mwahahaha |
| 02:03.37 | rivalarrival | walrustown: Bastard. kd8ikt: Akron. |
| 02:03.41 | balrog-k1n | mine is here since december mwahaha |
| 02:04.12 | walrustown | is that a 1973? |
| 02:04.26 | kd8ikt | i'm getting mine with these guys rivalarrival http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Kentucky |
| 02:04.36 | sitwon | mice do have y-axis... scrolling |
| 02:04.39 | kd8ikt | it gets shipped thur |
| 02:04.39 | balrog-k1n | gta02a3 (with the glamo interrupts hw bug) |
| 02:04.43 | wastrel | i love scrolly mouse |
| 02:05.21 | kd8ikt | but i'm gonna drive down to lexington ky fri from cinci to pick it up/pay him |
| 02:05.40 | kd8ikt | prolly hang out awhile aswell |
| 02:05.44 | walrustown | glamo? |
| 02:05.51 | kd8ikt | the 3dfx chip |
| 02:06.05 | kd8ikt | 2d+3d |
| 02:06.19 | walrustown | ahh |
| 02:06.35 | walrustown | I thought it was S Media or something |
| 02:06.36 | balrog-k1n | 2d+3d+mmc/sd+dsp+mp3+mpeg+more ;) |
| 02:06.52 | linuxxr | mine arrives thursday:) |
| 02:06.59 | kd8ikt | and it had to be on a crappy SDIO bus :P |
| 02:07.30 | walrustown | that is kinda lame |
| 02:07.32 | rivalarrival | Yay! T-mobile gave me a new spare phone. Samsung "Beat" for $19.22 |
| 02:08.10 | kd8ikt | heh i was reading through some cell java app the other day |
| 02:08.17 | kd8ikt | apps* |
| 02:08.31 | rivalarrival | yeah? |
| 02:08.39 | kd8ikt | saw a lot of funny female apps |
| 02:08.50 | rivalarrival | mygirls? |
| 02:08.55 | linuxxr | is tmobile the 1 to use? |
| 02:09.08 | kd8ikt | ovulation calender, vibrator |
| 02:09.23 | rivalarrival | Vibrator. Nice. |
| 02:09.24 | walrustown | woot |
| 02:09.47 | kd8ikt | like pulse, randomly vibz, or steady |
| 02:09.53 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 02:09.59 | rivalarrival | linuxxr: I've had tmobile for about 6 years now... they treat me fairly decently, can switch plans anytime... |
| 02:10.00 | kd8ikt | i thought that was damn funny |
| 02:10.35 | netx | does anyone who uses or has used AT&T know the difference between the Media Net packages and the smartphone data packages? |
| 02:11.09 | linuxxr | id reeeeealy like to grt rid of att |
| 02:11.25 | netx | the Media Net is much cheaper and can work without a long-term contract, but the AT&T reps can't tell me the technical differences |
| 02:11.30 | linuxxr | cingular whoever they are |
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| 02:12.11 | netx | specifically, i want to know if MediaNet is proxied, filtered, or if the only limiting agent is the physical phone |
| 02:12.19 | rivalarrival | linuxxr: I can't tell you much about t-mobile's data plans... It looked like they had an unlimited plan for $20/month... |
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| 02:12.43 | linuxxr | that was gonna be me next ? |
| 02:12.51 | netx | linuxxr: i am not too happy w/ choosing AT&T either, but they are the only carrier that has coverage where I live and where my parents live |
| 02:12.58 | linuxxr | plan type do u have |
| 02:13.22 | linuxxr | rival |
| 02:13.47 | rivalarrival | I have no data plan right now. I'm using a basic family plan, but I'm thinking about switching to their myfaves plan - free calling to 5 people, any network. |
| 02:14.02 | linuxxr | an data? |
| 02:14.02 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 02:14.17 | linuxxr | or u just gonna wifi |
| 02:14.25 | rivalarrival | Not included, looks like $20/mo |
| 02:14.33 | linuxxr | y cool |
| 02:15.26 | rivalarrival | I've got unlimited SMS on both lines for $10. |
| 02:15.29 | linuxxr | if your at a wifi mostly proly the data plan would be mostly useless? |
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| 02:15.46 | sitwon | at&t does seem to have the best GSM coverage in the US |
| 02:15.55 | rivalarrival | Probably. I'm never at a wifi, though. |
| 02:16.05 | sitwon | has T-Mobile becaue when he went to the mall it was the first booth he hit |
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| 02:16.34 | linuxxr | the map indicates that but i though that t mobile could mirror there coverage ,,is that correct? |
| 02:16.36 | rivalarrival | Their tech support is worthless, but their customer care staff is OK. |
| 02:17.44 | rivalarrival | I don't know about mirroring coverage... They all seem to expand their networks in the same areas within a few months of eachother. |
| 02:17.52 | sitwon | I plan to test both... I doubt either will beat Verizon's coverage in my area *sigh* |
| 02:18.12 | kd8ikt | but verizon is evil |
| 02:18.28 | sitwon | kd8ikt: so? |
| 02:18.35 | sitwon | they give me FiOS |
| 02:18.41 | linuxxr | im disturbed with at&t over 25 bucks.. isn,t that petty |
| 02:18.50 | tunys | All phone services are evil |
| 02:18.52 | rivalarrival | Tmobile covers the 7 counties where I work, except for a tiny section near the Ravenna ordnance plant on Route 5 in Ohio. |
| 02:19.04 | tunys | Verizon just has annoying commercials. |
| 02:19.24 | tunys | Now I will NEVER give a penny of mine to Alltel |
| 02:19.29 | linuxxr | their coverage in arkansas looks thin |
| 02:19.34 | tunys | Because their commercials are AWFUL |
| 02:19.36 | rivalarrival | Verizon hosed me because I was dumping their service at the same time they did a major overhaul on their billing system. |
| 02:20.00 | tunys | Every time I see "Chad", I want to just... charge him a lot of money! |
| 02:20.06 | tunys | Yeah, that'd show 'em! |
| 02:20.10 | sitwon | Verizon is a multi-headed hydra.... communication is so bad that even Verizon employees have trouble navagating the phone system to talk to the right people |
| 02:20.24 | rivalarrival | Didn't Verizon buy alltel? |
| 02:20.34 | sitwon | On the up side, when you do finally get the right person on the phone, they actually know what they're talking about and fix you up w/o breaking a sweat |
| 02:20.40 | tunys | Well in that case, I hate Verizon too. |
| 02:20.46 | wastrel | verizon |
| 02:20.54 | tunys | alltel |
| 02:20.56 | linuxxr | as long as its not linux? |
| 02:21.16 | tunys | linuxxr, I don't care what they use, I hate them! |
| 02:21.29 | linuxxr | i guess thats proly getting better |
| 02:21.44 | tunys | Microsoft uses Linux, and I think most of us here have them on our badlist. |
| 02:21.52 | linuxxr | yup its always the LOND road |
| 02:21.58 | linuxxr | long |
| 02:22.06 | sitwon | the Verizon techs (even the cable-jockies) that I've met have been pretty Linux-friendly |
| 02:22.26 | rivalarrival | Yeah, Verizon bought alltel for 28.1 billion. |
| 02:22.42 | linuxxr | oooo nos |
| 02:23.00 | ayeuu | does someone have a boot with sd card please ? |
| 02:23.01 | linuxxr | are it gsm |
| 02:23.06 | rivalarrival | CDMA |
| 02:23.07 | ayeuu | (can boot) |
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| 02:24.46 | linuxxr | so is the basic system a debian or something in the freerunner? |
| 02:25.35 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.39 | roh | kd8ikt glamo is on a regular memory/io bus with ram and flash also there. not sdio. |
| 02:25.51 | roh | wifi is on the sole sdio port of the 2442 |
| 02:25.57 | kd8ikt | oh |
| 02:26.39 | roh | the point is just that for properly working data transfer quite some waitstates need to be done, else data corrupts on transfer |
| 02:27.22 | roh | in the end raster pulled 7mbyte peak out there (doing nothing else than pushing bits) which even impressed the glamo-people surprisingly *sigh* |
| 02:27.23 | linuxxr | u know sUse linux started as slackware?:) |
| 02:28.35 | roh | kd8ikt to be fair, for using it a s a phone nobody will bother... it does not matter. |
| 02:28.49 | Dave | :) |
| 02:30.14 | roh | cpu and ram io intenive stuff without graphics will even be faster due to 30mbyte/sec refresh now coming out of the 8mbyte internal gpu-ram instead of the shared main memory. |
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| 02:30.43 | roh | anything has a pro and a con. even something which looks as fucked up as the glamo |
| 02:31.01 | Dave | haha :P |
| 02:31.06 | linuxxr | dave is openmoko a "NEW" distro or is it based on something like turbo linux or? |
| 02:31.07 | Dave | Well said, roh |
| 02:31.35 | roh | a pro for example is the sd-card iface. people were searching for a cpu/memory bus to sdio hci but had a hard time finding something that simple |
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| 02:33.12 | roh | if we leave glamo away something else needs to do that and it seems such stuff issnt that simple to get in the real world. one can buy some IP-core from a cpld manuf and just load it into one of their products.. or license the ip-core for use in a custom asic (which then usually also does various other stuff which comes up and needs custom handling) |
| 02:33.45 | roh | because the alternative of 'wifi XOR sdcard' isnt really one |
| 02:34.57 | roh | linuxxr openmoko is a distro as well as a company and a project ;) the distro is based on openembedded which is a meta-distro (a distro-toolkit basically) |
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| 02:41.52 | csatlose | hello all. I just ordered a FreeRunner GSM 850. I'm excited about the GPS capabilities, but wondering whether I should get an external GPS antenna for when traveling in the car? |
| 02:42.41 | linuxxr | thanks i guess u could of told me to google cool |
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| 02:43.09 | SpeedEvil | It may nnot work in some cars |
| 02:43.19 | SpeedEvil | Due to window coatingsz |
| 02:43.34 | SpeedEvil | As with all GPS |
| 02:43.44 | csatlose | SpeedEvil: does the freerunner have a regular gps antenna plug? |
| 02:43.49 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 02:43.52 | SpeedEvil | mmc-x |
| 02:43.58 | roh | linuxxr i think thats implied when asking questions in open projects, but also i would find telling anybody to google as first communication quite... well.. unpersonal and depending on the cuulure one comes from offending |
| 02:44.11 | KrisAbsinthe_ | SpeedEvil: thankf for the heads up on that shunt regulator |
| 02:44.42 | csatlose | SpeedEvil: thanks. Do you know if there is software to give turn by turn directions? |
| 02:44.56 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 02:45.28 | SpeedEvil | I mean there isn't. |
| 02:46.18 | roh | hm.. doesnt navit do that? |
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| 02:46.56 | csatlose | SpeedEvil: so the GPS can be used for getting location, tracking route, etc? |
| 02:47.07 | roh | http://navit.sourceforge.net/ does routing |
| 02:47.32 | csatlose | thanks roh. I can't wait for the phone to arrive! |
| 02:47.33 | SpeedEvil | roh: well - yes - but... |
| 02:48.26 | SpeedEvil | It's a sometimes OK functional routing program - not comparable to a 'normal' GPS device i most places. |
| 02:48.41 | roh | SpeedEvil i have to say i didnt use it yet, but there is there.. should work when you put in a bought map |
| 02:48.52 | roh | wouldnt expect osm stuff to do proper routing for now |
| 02:49.24 | csatlose | if I want to install extra programs like navit, should I plan on using 2 or 4 GB microSD card? |
| 02:49.37 | roh | also hey.. people should not believe anything that a computer says... people should use them as tool, not as brain-replacement. |
| 02:50.19 | kd8ikt | heh |
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| 02:50.56 | roh | centering a map on 'here' on a buttonpress, and allow pan and zoom as well as address-search would be nice i think. like a assisted map-holder. but i can do routing myself quite well when i have a proper map with my position in |
| 02:51.16 | SpeedEvil | roh: do you know what the relationship between DASH and OM is? |
| 02:53.11 | roh | not in detail. but i also think there is not much to know. OM built hw and a working linuxkernel to some stage, dash uses that, and put their custom app on it and sell the thing with some deal for the gprs-usage |
| 02:54.47 | SpeedEvil | What I thought. Was just wondering if there might be a way to buy that app. |
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| 02:56.25 | csatlose | roh SpeedEvil thanks guys. I'll probably be coming back in here soon. |
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| 02:59.50 | rivalarrival | Is it Thursday yet? |
| 03:00.00 | SpeedEvil | Today is Setting Orange, the 49th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3174 |
| 03:00.25 | rivalarrival | Setting Orange? |
| 03:00.54 | rivalarrival | Is that any relation to Thursday? |
| 03:01.59 | uselessnickever | somebody tries *BSD on FR allready? |
| 03:03.29 | rivalarrival | Most of us are still waiting on it... The only people who have it now are the core developers, the people who paid a fortune to have it shipped next-day, and the people in the greater Sunnyvale, CA area. |
| 03:03.53 | rivalarrival | Everyone else is getting it sometime this week. |
| 03:03.56 | SpeedEvil | And europeans. |
| 03:04.05 | rivalarrival | Yeah, Fuck europe. |
| 03:04.17 | rivalarrival | (I thought they were getting it on the 25th?) |
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| 03:06.54 | niklauz | any recommendations for a data plan in the US ? |
| 03:07.24 | Chocky | heh |
| 03:07.29 | Chocky | all expensive :p |
| 03:07.32 | uselessnickever | i am european :p |
| 03:09.30 | niklauz | just looking around it seems that there are many for under 50$/m which seems ok to me, i've just never had one so i'm not sure |
| 03:09.43 | niklauz | is that about what you've seen Chocky? |
| 03:10.02 | Chocky | that's really all there is |
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| 03:10.40 | linuxxr | haha |
| 03:11.12 | linuxxr | slackwares anniv. is wednesday |
| 03:11.20 | Chocky | there's more than one? |
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| 03:12.25 | rivalarrival | niklauz: T-mobile seems to be offering unlimited GPRS for $20. |
| 03:12.37 | Chocky | hum. |
| 03:13.01 | linuxxr | i want that |
| 03:13.20 | ikjh | Is there any way to close an application in OM2007.2 except ssh+kill or reboot? |
| 03:13.20 | Chocky | but it'll be on top of another plan |
| 03:13.42 | linuxxr | gsm too |
| 03:14.10 | linuxxr | but free gps is better |
| 03:14.43 | linuxxr | chocky thanks for helping me shop |
| 03:15.02 | niklauz | rivalarrival: that sounds pretty good, are you on their plan? |
| 03:15.07 | rivalarrival | chocky: Yeah, but I'm assuming that since it's a GSM phone, one would probably want a cell plan too.. |
| 03:15.13 | Chocky | I'm not sure I said anything very helpful |
| 03:15.18 | SpeedEvil | ikjh: the right-hand tab on the bottom of the home screen, and the garbage can on that list |
| 03:15.44 | rivalarrival | niklauz: I haven't used their data service yet. I have a family plan for voice only. |
| 03:15.46 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rac4b3aff1679 10/packages/meta/openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko-asu-feed] Add openmoko-asu-feed.bb |
| 03:15.47 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r776f63cd66be 10/packages/meta/openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko-asu-feed] Add openmoko-asu-feed.bb |
| 03:15.55 | rivalarrival | But I will be getting their data plan. |
| 03:17.10 | ikjh | SpeedEvil: Thanks! That worked fine. It was driving me crazy. |
| 03:17.16 | linuxxr | have they left ca yet? |
| 03:17.43 | rivalarrival | niklauz: As chocky mentioned - it's $20 on top of a voice plan. There is an internet only plan for $40 |
| 03:18.09 | SpeedEvil | ikjh: :) |
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| 03:37.58 | linuxxr | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080713/ap_on_re_us/cell_phone_trafficking;_ylt=AhRQ_q3KA0wsLEZ6nquSls0jtBAF |
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| 03:43.34 | rtm | linuxxr: That's an interesting article. |
| 03:43.58 | linuxxr | yes it is |
| 03:44.18 | linuxxr | can u put a tracfone sim in a freerunner? |
| 03:44.34 | rtm | I don't see why not. |
| 03:44.41 | linuxxr | reallyy |
| 03:45.02 | linuxxr | 10 cents a minuit/ |
| 03:45.28 | linuxxr | tyme to play |
| 03:45.29 | rtm | Someone oughtta give it a try. |
| 03:45.35 | ikjh | linuxxr: I tried putting a tracfone card in my other GSM phone. It didn't work. |
| 03:45.43 | linuxxr | 15 bucks |
| 03:45.52 | ikjh | linuxxr: The connectors were in different places. |
| 03:45.57 | linuxxr | oo |
| 03:45.59 | ikjh | Not a real SIM card. |
| 03:46.13 | linuxxr | what modle phone was it |
| 03:46.23 | linuxxr | moto |
| 03:46.27 | linuxxr | nokia |
| 03:46.27 | ikjh | I don't remember. |
| 03:46.41 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r42019e8fd86d 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [diversity] Add default map packages into task-openmoko-asu-feed |
| 03:47.18 | ikjh | *looking in an old drawer* I found the phone now. It's a Motorola. |
| 03:47.22 | linuxxr | mon now |
| 03:47.42 | linuxxr | modle # please:) |
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| 03:48.27 | niklauz | what are those messages CIA-42? |
| 03:48.51 | linuxxr | looksd like software changes |
| 03:49.36 | ikjh | linuxxr: Hm. Forget what I said. I just tried it again (on a SonyEricsson phone), and I get "Inactive SIM". I must have done something weird last time. |
| 03:50.03 | rivalarrival | niklauz: I asked earlier - someone said commits to the repositories. |
| 03:51.13 | linuxxr | u got freerunner? |
| 03:51.42 | ikjh | Yeah. Haven't tried the tracfone card in it yet though. |
| 03:52.09 | linuxxr | u said pins config was incorrect |
| 03:52.31 | ikjh | That's what I remembered, but I think I remembered wrong. It looks fine when I look at it now. |
| 03:52.38 | linuxxr | o |
| 03:53.00 | linuxxr | what about the batt will they interchange also |
| 03:53.46 | ikjh | No, the tracfone battery is too big. They look pretty similar though. |
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| 03:54.16 | linuxxr | we needs bigger battery---- i think |
| 03:54.40 | linuxxr | maybe not |
| 03:55.05 | linuxxr | i will be useless thursday |
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| 04:04.02 | cb22 | anyone in the new york area with an extra freerunner? |
| 04:04.06 | cb22 | that i could buy... |
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| 04:07.39 | linuxxr | ooo nos |
| 04:08.19 | linuxxr | will there be anymore for sale in the us in august? |
| 04:08.50 | linuxxr | or at all |
| 04:09.02 | linuxxr | 850 gsm |
| 04:10.06 | rivalarrival | regarding batteries: most nokias use a compatible battery. |
| 04:10.46 | ikjh | linuxxr: With the trac card in my freerunner, the top left corner says "Registering..." all the time. It does the same with my AT&T card and without a card, so it doesn't really say much about the trac card. |
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| 04:15.43 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4523 10/developers/erin_yueh/pythonEFL-sudoku/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): merge with pyefl-sudoku project files (Erin Yueh) |
| 04:16.29 | ikjh | Does anyone know why my freerunner doesn't register with the GSM network? Is it a known problem? |
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| 04:17.31 | SpeedEvil | who with? |
| 04:18.22 | ikjh | The card is at&t. But I would assume that I would at least get 911 access even without a card, no? |
| 04:18.46 | necrophagist | hi all, I'm running into an error when trying to make flash-qemu-official on new images with mokomakefile... this is after the initial make qemu worked just fine. Anyone seen this? |
| 04:19.03 | ikjh | It's a Comcast card, if it matters. The network should be at&t though. |
| 04:19.07 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4524 10/developers/erin_yueh/pythonEFL-sudoku/data/ (14 files in 3 dirs): modify some data files (Erin Yueh) |
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| 04:41.10 | Railer | hey where the hell is everyone? |
| 04:41.25 | Railer | Dave? |
| 04:41.27 | Sonicadvance1 | everwhere |
| 04:42.17 | rivalarrival | Nowhere |
| 04:42.22 | rivalarrival | Somewhere |
| 04:42.35 | Railer | so there's soldering job to be had? Is this common or just if the GPS don't work? |
| 04:43.01 | rivalarrival | If gps doesn't work, and it might just be the antenna connection. |
| 04:43.21 | rivalarrival | which you can fix with needle nose pliers |
| 04:43.32 | Railer | sounds good |
| 04:43.56 | Railer | lokks like a pretty small connection |
| 04:44.06 | rivalarrival | Very small. |
| 04:44.32 | rivalarrival | http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP |
| 04:46.49 | Sonicadvance | painful |
| 04:47.05 | Railer | soldered smds before, who ever had the that page should tell people NOT to use those safty soldering irons because the arcing of the prongs could blow the mofo up. |
| 04:47.32 | rivalarrival | Get on that, would you? |
| 04:47.34 | rivalarrival | :-) |
| 04:47.41 | Railer | it's a wiki, ill fix it duh |
| 04:48.01 | rivalarrival | I would just copy/paste your warning from here to there. |
| 04:48.30 | Railer | well I'll add a picture as well as a better description. |
| 04:48.51 | rivalarrival | Sonicadvance: It supposedly only affects a small number of phones. |
| 04:49.15 | Sonicadvance | I see |
| 04:50.22 | Railer | just looking at the reports minesweeper is "alomst" working this phone is gonna be sweet when it gets in |
| 04:50.43 | roh | also i would suggest only soldering if you really know its the cause of the flaw (which we cannot say for sure yet) |
| 04:51.17 | roh | i just resoldered that socket on my prototype and it didnt change behaviour so far |
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| 04:58.49 | Railer | any ideas how to make a warning square? |
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| 05:04.48 | kd8ikt | bleh minesweeper |
| 05:04.58 | kd8ikt | why do we want o remind people of windows |
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| 05:10.12 | Railer | minesweeper = windows now? |
| 05:11.59 | Railer | well anyhow I edited the post I hope no one minds |
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| 05:18.56 | Railer | so can anyone tell me once I have the phone, how hard will it be to update the programming? |
| 05:19.56 | Dave | very simple |
| 05:20.02 | Dave | It's come a long way |
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| 05:20.09 | Dave | Railer, it's not very difficult :) |
| 05:20.10 | Railer | hey dave! |
| 05:20.19 | rivalarrival | Minesweeper? Blech. |
| 05:20.21 | Dave | Once you get into the swing of things it will become second nature ;) |
| 05:20.23 | Dave | heh |
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| 05:20.58 | rivalarrival | I'll settle for a terminal window. |
| 05:21.20 | dcordes | Railer: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 05:21.25 | dcordes | fwiw |
| 05:21.33 | Dave | haha arcing mofo... |
| 05:21.37 | Dave | weet |
| 05:21.41 | Sebastian | Railer: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sebastian_bergmann/sets/72157605972103961/detail/ shows how easy updating is :) |
| 05:21.49 | Dave | roh, what prototype would that be, the GTA02? |
| 05:22.24 | kd8ikt | could help to read through the distributions wiki page |
| 05:22.40 | Dave | minorly |
| 05:23.10 | kd8ikt | heh those pics are awesome |
| 05:24.11 | kd8ikt | 200 bogomips? i thought the freerunner was 400 |
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| 05:25.28 | swc|666 | anyone know if there has been a new release of the atheros wlan firmware (2.0) yet? |
| 05:26.13 | Railer | flashing on linux only? or windows too? |
| 05:26.41 | rivalarrival | Yuck. Windows. |
| 05:27.15 | Railer | ................... |
| 05:27.43 | rivalarrival | Honestly, I don't know. I can refer you to a good Ubuntu liveCD |
| 05:28.44 | Railer | I have several versions of linux currently working including my own web servers, just asking some questions |
| 05:31.42 | mmontour | \ |
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| 05:41.39 | roh | Dave yey, a gta02 prototype ... #85 |
| 05:42.50 | roh | swc|666 ? the fw inside the freerunner atheros is already 2.x afaik. no flasher avail. |
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| 05:44.44 | ieatlint | anheuser-busch is now owned by inbev |
| 05:45.05 | Railer | inbev? |
| 05:46.44 | ieatlint | they're an international beverage conglomorate |
| 05:47.18 | kd8ikt | buy and large |
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| 05:52.38 | feitingen | Railer: you might be able to flash the phone with cygwin, but it is a very long shot |
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| 05:56.14 | tessier | kd8ikt: We saw that movie just today. :) |
| 05:56.36 | kd8ikt | good flick eh? |
| 05:56.41 | tessier | kd8ikt: Yes, very good |
| 05:57.07 | kd8ikt | i liked it despite the apple propaganda |
| 05:57.26 | kd8ikt | suprised they didnt call her ieve |
| 05:57.32 | tessier | I saw an ipod but didn't notice much propaganda otherwise |
| 05:57.36 | kd8ikt | or iwalle |
| 05:57.45 | Railer | that's ok it's not for me, it's a question about the big picture of the phone, linux on the phone is one thing. Having to use linux to upgrade is somethigncompletely different |
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| 05:57.55 | kd8ikt | his fully charged sound is an old mac bootup sound |
| 05:58.09 | tessier | kd8ikt: oh, right. I did notice that. |
| 05:58.12 | kd8ikt | EVE looks like an ipod |
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| 05:58.40 | kd8ikt | AUTO's voice is credited in the... credits as macintalk |
| 05:58.44 | kd8ikt | text2speach |
| 05:58.48 | kd8ikt | speech |
| 05:59.11 | tessier | Sigourney Weaver was a voice in there also |
| 05:59.16 | tessier | Ships voice I think |
| 05:59.20 | kd8ikt | but hey atleast it wasnt windows crap eh? |
| 05:59.25 | tessier | yeah |
| 05:59.33 | kd8ikt | the lesser of two evils |
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| 06:02.42 | kd8ikt | someone should count howmanny times the name walle is said during it |
| 06:03.14 | feitingen | Railer: i believed the goal was that the phone should be able to grab updates frok |
| 06:03.49 | feitingen | *from the net and do it itself without the need of a pc, be it linux or windows |
| 06:04.07 | feitingen | my apologies, bad keyboard. |
| 06:05.47 | Railer | that would be best |
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| 06:06.25 | kd8ikt | lets make a slax version for openmoko developers |
| 06:07.50 | Railer | I'm just trying to convince people this is a commercial product, and having the upgrades a linux os only thing would be a problem, but direct via lets say wifi would be excellent |
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| 06:08.56 | kd8ikt | but its not a commercial product |
| 06:09.29 | Railer | so what is it? a concept car? |
| 06:09.47 | bricode | Railer: A kit car. |
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| 06:10.51 | kd8ikt | even still just because it doesnt have windows support shouldnt matter, not like windows ever made other operating system integration a priority |
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| 06:11.08 | tessier | For being a totally open phone I'm a little bit surprised that the software is as rough as it is. Especially in the basic things like powering on. I'm wondering if I should be submitting bug reports or if it's too soon for that since the software is still very beta. |
| 06:11.39 | Railer | I was hoping this would one day compete with the likes of iphone, it seems im in error. |
| 06:11.54 | Sonicadvance1 | That's horrible |
| 06:11.56 | rivalarrival | What do you expect, when 3/4 of the freerunners haven't even made it into the hands of their new owners? |
| 06:12.38 | bricode | Railer: It might, given a bit of time, and some outside help. |
| 06:12.39 | kd8ikt | yeah howmanny GTA01's were produced? |
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| 06:13.16 | rivalarrival | The more they put out, the faster it will develop. |
| 06:13.34 | owen1_ | so, what's the general impression of the freerunner? |
| 06:13.39 | Railer | how many Neo's vs freerunners were are produced? |
| 06:13.49 | nullpuppy | this first run of the freerunner is supposed to be for the developers. the official enduser launch isn't until august or something from what i can remember... |
| 06:13.49 | tessier | Railer: I think it will easily compete with iphone. Just needs some time. |
| 06:14.17 | tessier | owen1_: So far I really like the hardware. I'm a little bummed by the GPS antenna problem. I need to find a torx screwdriver to open mine. |
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| 06:14.34 | Sonicadvance1 | whine whine whine |
| 06:14.34 | tessier | owen1_: The other problems all seem to be software related which I'm sure will shape up over the next few months. |
| 06:14.44 | rivalarrival | tessier: Lowes/Home Depot has them for cheap. |
| 06:14.54 | owen1_ | tessier: great. what about wifi? |
| 06:15.00 | tessier | rivalarrival: Yes, I will be swinging by a Home Depot tomorrow |
| 06:15.10 | tessier | owen1_: I haven't gotten around to getting the wifi working yet |
| 06:16.02 | owen1_ | tessier: so it's not ready for my mom yet.. |
| 06:16.17 | tessier | owen1_: Not yet, no |
| 06:16.26 | bricode | wifi needs an easy to setup interface. |
| 06:16.28 | tessier | It's still early |
| 06:16.32 | Sonicadvance1 | don't think it's ready for anyone who isn't a power user |
| 06:17.24 | owen1_ | the basics must work out of the box - gps and wifi |
| 06:17.42 | Railer | owen doubtful |
| 06:17.49 | ozzloy | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu is this for the freerunner or neo1973? |
| 06:17.51 | ikjh | I got wifi working after I realized that I had to set the key before I set the essid. If I set the essid first I got "Input/output error" when I tried to set the key. (Yeah, I know, WEP bad.) |
| 06:17.51 | tessier | They will eventually. Just not right now |
| 06:17.58 | Sonicadvance1 | Should just get a consumer phone from the store |
| 06:18.21 | ikjh | I haven't gotten gps or gsm to work yet... |
| 06:18.22 | kd8ikt | its a developer's phone |
| 06:18.31 | tessier | My gsm works great |
| 06:18.47 | tessier | I have to tell it to power up the gsm and auto-register though which is a bit off. |
| 06:18.55 | Railer | power user, with solid linux experence |
| 06:19.03 | bricode | I've got gsm and gps working. Tango maps with map scrolling via USB networking. |
| 06:19.16 | owen1_ | Railer: are u a rails dev? |
| 06:19.29 | ikjh | tessier: If you turn it on without a SIM card, do you get any indication from gsm that something is working? I'm wondering if it has problems with my sim card. |
| 06:19.34 | Railer | no but I should be |
| 06:20.11 | owen1_ | Railer: just skip the rails hype and land in merb. |
| 06:20.22 | tessier | merb? |
| 06:20.50 | tessier | ikjh: I haven't turned it on without a sim card. But generally I get no indication that something is working until I tell it to turn on the gsm antenna |
| 06:20.51 | owen1_ | tessier: http://merbivore.com/ |
| 06:21.16 | owen1_ | tessier: lightweight version of rails. |
| 06:21.18 | kd8ikt | lol looks cool |
| 06:21.37 | ikjh | The accelerometers are working fine by the way. I wrote a short Python program to print the values. It works fine. I made it scream when I dropped the phone. :) |
| 06:22.18 | tessier | ike: ooh...is there any software in the repo that uses them yet? |
| 06:22.25 | tessier | ikjh: I've been wondering how to make them do something |
| 06:22.39 | ikjh | Have anyone tried running the phone without a sim card and managed to get anything other than the "Registering..." message? |
| 06:23.00 | kd8ikt | ikjh: what about X11 screen rotating |
| 06:23.29 | kd8ikt | landscape/protrait |
| 06:23.29 | Railer | you know there are over i think 50 os frame works for Java.... |
| 06:23.52 | ikjh | kd8ikt: That works fine for me. I didn't manage to turn it upside down though. |
| 06:24.28 | kd8ikt | damn i've been here trippin my mind out thinking it didnt |
| 06:24.40 | kd8ikt | cant wait till mine gets here fri |
| 06:24.53 | kd8ikt | a whole fricken week i'm gonna loose my mind |
| 06:24.59 | Sonicadvance1 | lose* |
| 06:25.08 | Sonicadvance1 | Seems that it's already gone |
| 06:25.09 | kd8ikt | lol |
| 06:25.09 | Sonicadvance1 | ;p |
| 06:25.13 | tessier | screen rotation works fine via the aux button but is not automatic via accelerometers or anything |
| 06:25.16 | kd8ikt | foot loose |
| 06:25.21 | kd8ikt | foot lose |
| 06:25.26 | ozzloy | kick off the sunday shoes |
| 06:25.50 | ozzloy | i'm booting an emulated openmoko! \0/ |
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| 06:27.56 | ikjh | Have anyone managed to use it as a SIP phone? |
| 06:28.02 | feitingen | ozzloy: qemu? |
| 06:28.26 | ozzloy | feitingen: yes. from this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu |
| 06:28.39 | feitingen | awesome, thanks |
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| 06:29.10 | feitingen | you would not happen to know how to set up a proper build environment, would you? |
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| 06:29.28 | ozzloy | feitingen: i copy pastad stuff from that page |
| 06:29.33 | feitingen | to compile apps for the freerunner, that is |
| 06:29.35 | ozzloy | into my shell |
| 06:29.37 | ozzloy | ah |
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| 06:30.42 | ozzloy | i have the emulator running, but the buttons don't seem to do anything |
| 06:31.03 | ozzloy | i click, they light up, no change in interface |
| 06:31.07 | ozzloy | halp? |
| 06:31.43 | feitingen | the bottom ones too? |
| 06:33.06 | feitingen | you might need some patience, its not extremely fast on the freerunner, and emulation has never been really fast |
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| 06:34.36 | ozzloy | well it's been about 10 minutes now |
| 06:35.17 | feitingen | oh |
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| 06:38.57 | feitingen | the topmost buttons start apps, do you have them installed? |
| 06:39.41 | Railer | lol |
| 06:40.32 | feitingen | hm? |
| 06:40.38 | ozzloy | i have no "topmost buttons" |
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| 06:41.03 | ozzloy | the buttons i see are across the bottom |
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| 06:41.54 | feitingen | oh, try restarting neod, its supposed to handle those buttons |
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| 06:43.15 | ozzloy | how would i go about doing that? |
| 06:43.34 | ozzloy | neod on the host computer? |
| 06:43.37 | feitingen | try sshing to the phone |
| 06:43.46 | feitingen | no, the emulated |
| 06:44.19 | ozzloy | you've blown my mind |
| 06:44.28 | ozzloy | how would i ssh to the emulated phone? |
| 06:45.19 | feitingen | i have no idea, i'll fire up qemu in a few minutes, meanwhile, try to reboot your emu |
| 06:46.45 | ozzloy | on third boot now |
| 06:47.01 | methril | morning |
| 06:47.04 | ozzloy | literal boots. nice splash screen |
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| 06:47.20 | feitingen | do you hear the sound? |
| 06:47.57 | ozzloy | no |
| 06:48.12 | feitingen | yeah, i loove the boots, but i think if they was removed, i could shave off some time on booting the phone |
| 06:48.24 | ozzloy | i'm getting a bunch of lines like this: s3c_mmci_writew: Bad register 0x38 |
| 06:49.09 | ieatlint | feitingen, i doubt it... the boots come up very quickly... you're talking saving 3 seconds at most |
| 06:49.43 | ieatlint | i'd rather have the % telling me the progress than 3 seconds |
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| 06:50.43 | ozzloy | gnight and thanks all |
| 06:51.09 | feitingen | i guess thats the beauty of it, the freedom to choose between 3 seconds and a pair of boots ;) |
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| 06:51.21 | kd8ikt | oh yea |
| 06:51.34 | ieatlint | the could've chosen sexier boots though |
| 06:51.59 | feitingen | yeah, definetively |
| 06:52.28 | kd8ikt | like a chicks thigh highs ;) with her still in em |
| 06:52.55 | ieatlint | someone open a support ticket... |
| 06:53.01 | feitingen | hehe |
| 06:53.33 | kd8ikt | is that image in the kernel/initramfs |
| 06:53.45 | feitingen | its probably in userspace |
| 06:53.57 | feitingen | i guess |
| 06:53.58 | kd8ikt | bets initram |
| 06:54.18 | ieatlint | yeah, if there's an initrd (which i think there is), it's in that |
| 06:54.25 | ieatlint | it comes up before init |
| 06:54.28 | kd8ikt | what do they call those images that have the kernel/initrd? |
| 06:54.30 | feitingen | ah |
| 06:54.50 | kd8ikt | openmoko uses a balled up kernel+initrd |
| 06:55.11 | ieatlint | 2.6.26 is out! |
| 06:55.17 | ieatlint | if you have an eeepc, rejoice |
| 06:55.24 | Sonicadvance1 | weird, I do |
| 06:55.47 | Sonicadvance1 | Ubuntu doesn't have any of the eee pc features compiled in I don't think |
| 06:56.00 | feitingen | i want an eeepc |
| 06:56.19 | kd8ikt | uImage |
| 06:56.31 | Sonicadvance1 | I'm buying a 901 soon |
| 06:56.43 | ieatlint | the new kernel has several new modules for the eee |
| 06:56.59 | ieatlint | been watching it in rc status... waiting... |
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| 06:57.23 | Sonicadvance1 | yea, I have the release candidate made on my 701 |
| 06:57.33 | kd8ikt | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ |
| 06:58.33 | ieatlint | i've heard some pretty screwy things about the rcs for .26 from an over-zealous friend who likes to fix things that aren't broke |
| 06:58.37 | ieatlint | so i stayed away |
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| 06:58.57 | Sonicadvance1 | os[ryan@ryan-desktop, Linux 2.6.26-3-generic x86_64] |
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| 07:01.57 | ieatlint | acpi support for the backlight, fan, support the hotkeys to toggle wifi/camera/sd on/off, |
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| 07:02.35 | feitingen | there is support for cam on the eee? |
| 07:02.40 | kd8ikt | yeah objcopy is used to fuse the kernel/initrd into one file |
| 07:02.43 | Sonicadvance1 | feitingen, yes |
| 07:02.49 | ieatlint | some models have a built in webcam |
| 07:02.54 | kd8ikt | now how the fudge to undo it |
| 07:03.14 | Sonicadvance1 | only the 2G Surf and 4G surf don't have the camera |
| 07:03.39 | feitingen | ok, thats it. im getting one |
| 07:03.44 | Sonicadvance1 | get a 901! |
| 07:03.48 | Sonicadvance1 | =o |
| 07:03.52 | feitingen | with linux! |
| 07:04.04 | Sonicadvance1 | yes, the Linux version isn't out yet in the 901 though... |
| 07:04.20 | kd8ikt | install it yourself |
| 07:04.27 | kd8ikt | unless its hardware is diff |
| 07:04.35 | kd8ikt | like broadcrap wireless |
| 07:04.42 | ieatlint | there is a hardware diff |
| 07:04.50 | ieatlint | the linux model has better specs |
| 07:04.50 | Sonicadvance1 | yes, there is a hardware difference |
| 07:05.00 | ieatlint | (specifically, a larger ssd) |
| 07:05.03 | Sonicadvance1 | the linux model of the 901 only has a bigger SDD |
| 07:05.09 | feitingen | Sonicadvance1: i can preorder it in norway |
| 07:05.18 | Sonicadvance1 | I can pre-order it in the US as well |
| 07:05.35 | kd8ikt | can martians preorder aswell |
| 07:05.39 | Sonicadvance1 | probably |
| 07:05.50 | ieatlint | poor norway.... you guys spend too much on beer |
| 07:05.53 | feitingen | since norwegians can, martians can |
| 07:06.02 | feitingen | ieatlint: how did you know? |
| 07:06.21 | ieatlint | it's known as essentially the most expensive place to buy a beer |
| 07:06.35 | ieatlint | you tax beer like we tax cigarettes |
| 07:07.05 | feitingen | and we tax cigarettes like... somthing taxed very much. |
| 07:07.48 | Sonicadvance1 | I've always found cigarettes to be a waste of money |
| 07:08.25 | feitingen | for me, it has become a necessity |
| 07:08.35 | Sonicadvance1 | Nicotine addiction? |
| 07:08.45 | feitingen | yes. |
| 07:08.53 | Sonicadvance1 | Still a waste of money then isn't it? :P |
| 07:09.27 | feitingen | yes, and it clogs up the cooling of my computer. |
| 07:09.41 | feitingen | it is a pain to clean. |
| 07:09.41 | ieatlint | cigarette smokers know better than anyone how bad it is |
| 07:10.05 | feitingen | i am glad my lungs are self-cleaning to some degree |
| 07:11.00 | Sonicadvance1 | I smoked a few cigarettes to see how it is. I found no use for them |
| 07:11.35 | feitingen | i have learned a lot about aerodynamics while smoking :) |
| 07:11.53 | Sonicadvance1 | How to not get the smoke in your face? |
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| 07:11.56 | swc|666 | ponders the thought over a cigarette |
| 07:12.21 | feitingen | Sonicadvance1: and how to blow the smoke so it will get out of the window as soon as possible |
| 07:12.38 | Sonicadvance1 | haha |
| 07:12.41 | feitingen | or avoiding to blow the smoke in someones face |
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| 07:13.20 | feitingen | basically, hot air goes up, flowing air sticks to surfaces |
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| 07:23.24 | feitingen | whats this? |
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| 07:42.12 | b0ner4u | Hi |
| 07:43.56 | b0ner4u | can someone plz report to me the efficiency of the freeranners vibrator feature? |
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| 07:45.41 | b0ner4u | hi |
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| 08:11.38 | BlackFog | morning |
| 08:11.52 | ikjh | I found the problem with my gsm. My SIM card is listed at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT . I need a new card. |
| 08:12.00 | ikjh | Evening. |
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| 08:15.56 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:23.40 | KrisAbsinthe_ | ikjh: you have a 1973 ? |
| 08:25.31 | ikjh | KrisAbsinthe_: I have a GTA02. |
| 08:26.17 | KrisAbsinthe_ | I thought the sim problem was only with the 1973 SH1. they fixed it later on. |
| 08:27.38 | ikjh | Weird. I have the exact same numbers and problem as one row on that page. +CME Error 10 for AT+CFUN=1 and +CME Error 13 for AT+CIMI |
| 08:29.15 | KrisAbsinthe_ | That sucks, I know that michael shiloh was offering free GSM firware flashed if you paid shipping both ways for the 1973. You should ask abut the GTA02 |
| 08:31.00 | KrisAbsinthe_ | issue the commands to read a contact or text off the card. i found that was a better what to know for sure if the card was unusable, libgsm-tool will crash if it cant read it usually |
| 08:31.01 | ikjh | Will getting a new SIM card from AT&T work too? That should be much easier. I don't want to part with my Freerunner just yet. :) |
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| 08:31.49 | ikjh | libgsmd-tool did not crash. |
| 08:31.53 | KrisAbsinthe_ | Depends if they send you one off that list or not. I have a 6 year old SIM, only one I have that works, I have about 10 |
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| 08:34.31 | KrisAbsinthe_ | def. seems like the same problem |
| 08:36.34 | ieatlint | i previously said that the boots image seen when booting shows up before init ... i was incorrect, it shows up immediately as init starts |
| 08:38.59 | ikjh | OK, I just read through http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/666 and others are reporting the same problem with 3G cards. |
| 08:39.19 | ikjh | On new phones, the last week, not just the old ones. |
| 08:39.19 | McKael | Hi there, |
| 08:39.32 | McKael | I'm trying to make openmoko-devel-image (using MokoMakefile), and it always fails when building glibc-2.6.1. |
| 08:39.56 | McKael | -> configure: error: C preprocessor "arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -E" fails sanity check |
| 08:41.24 | McKael | Has anyone seen this already? I'm on a Debian Lenny (testing) machine. |
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| 08:45.51 | sledgeas | hello |
| 08:46.00 | sledgeas | how much time does it take to configure font smoothing on neo freerunner? |
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| 08:54.58 | sledgeas | (i am serious with this question: it's a whether-to-buy user's benchmark of how complete is the architectural stack and software communication -> thus a generic test how complex work will it be) |
| 08:55.46 | tonyg | sledgeas, how much time does it take to configure font smoothing on a generic dell desktop? |
| 08:55.56 | tonyg | (using X, presumably, you mean?) |
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| 08:57.15 | sledgeas | sorry, i'm just a broker between a neo-freerunner owner-wannabe, it's a kinda silly and not fully informative question from a linux guru like him -- i thought he's great, and i'm silly (i.e. knowing a lot more in the background), so i have just pasted this question here) |
| 08:57.36 | sledgeas | but looks like he's outsmarted himself :) |
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| 08:58.43 | tonyg | :) |
| 08:59.17 | tonyg | to me -- a long-time unix developer -- it feels like developing for a unix running on maybe a low-end pentium. |
| 08:59.24 | ieatlint | the software side of the freerunner is in its infantile state.. |
| 08:59.25 | tonyg | including similar restrictions on RAM and disk. |
| 08:59.40 | ieatlint | think of it like running netscape from 1999 on a current computer |
| 08:59.42 | tonyg | and as ieatlint says, including the immaturity of the graphical side of the user interface |
| 08:59.52 | ieatlint | the hardware is there, but you can only load basic webpages |
| 09:00.08 | sledgeas | hmmmmmmm |
| 09:00.17 | tonyg | the kernel seems to be developing rapidly, and where possible, the features of the phone are exposed to the userland using the usual linux APIs |
| 09:00.25 | sledgeas | what do you mean by webpages? |
| 09:00.30 | tonyg | which makes programming for the neo feel pretty natural |
| 09:00.37 | tonyg | sledgeas, I think that was an extended metaphor :) |
| 09:00.43 | ieatlint | it's an analogy... it means phone calls are relatively reliable |
| 09:00.45 | sledgeas | yea, that's what i ask ;) |
| 09:00.46 | ieatlint | sms is relatively reliable |
| 09:00.50 | ieatlint | anything else... not so much |
| 09:00.58 | sledgeas | what do you mean by anything else? |
| 09:01.00 | ieatlint | you can get things working, but it's not the simplest |
| 09:01.07 | sledgeas | diverts? |
| 09:01.11 | ieatlint | gps, gprs, wifi, webbrowser |
| 09:01.12 | sledgeas | roaming |
| 09:01.13 | tonyg | sledgeas, if you're wanting to use it as a phone, you will need to do a lot of work |
| 09:01.22 | tonyg | if you're wanting to hack around on/with it, it's ready now. |
| 09:01.29 | ieatlint | actually qtopia isn't bad for just using it as a phone |
| 09:01.31 | sledgeas | wait, ieatlint has just said that calls and sms word --- it's a phone! |
| 09:01.36 | tonyg | modulo power management, perhaps |
| 09:01.42 | tonyg | actually I only have a GTA01 |
| 09:01.46 | ieatlint | yeah, power management is crappy |
| 09:01.49 | tonyg | so things may have improved |
| 09:02.02 | ieatlint | not entirely |
| 09:02.11 | sledgeas | *work |
| 09:02.20 | ieatlint | the freerunner at the moment is a toy |
| 09:02.24 | ieatlint | a development platform |
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| 09:03.24 | sledgeas | ok, so i have 2 years of live-with gentoo experience, 5 years linux/unix, 10 years c/c++ -- will I get around with it? here around me i try to get another 9 geeks, who even want to replace it as their daily phone |
| 09:03.32 | sledgeas | what experience requirements i should tell them? |
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| 09:03.49 | ieatlint | well, i'm a gentoo guy myself |
| 09:03.49 | tonyg | sledgeas, you're fine for the userland side of things |
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| 09:04.02 | tonyg | done anything with telephony before? |
| 09:04.12 | tonyg | found and read ITU standards, for instance? immune to ASN.1? |
| 09:04.19 | sledgeas | Sony J* series, uploaoding via cable :) |
| 09:04.20 | `pwgen_8` | i use my moko as phone .. apm is working calling is working and receiving calls is working . |
| 09:04.29 | tonyg | seriously though you really only need to know a bit about Hayes modem commands (ATZ, ...) |
| 09:04.32 | `pwgen_8` | its an gta01 |
| 09:04.44 | sledgeas | tonyg: in order to doing what? |
| 09:04.47 | ieatlint | i am using the gta02 as my phone |
| 09:04.58 | tonyg | sledgeas, to hack around improving the phonelike aspect of the machine |
| 09:05.08 | tonyg | everything else is as you would expect with your unix experience |
| 09:05.21 | ieatlint | yeah, it's basically a computer with a gsm modem in it |
| 09:05.25 | tonyg | indeed |
| 09:05.29 | ieatlint | ssh in, get a sh prompt |
| 09:05.37 | sledgeas | ok, or waiting for 6 months till software gets better and it'd become 99% reliable phone (as the hardware is there as you've said) |
| 09:05.44 | ieatlint | has wget, a package manager, etc |
| 09:05.57 | sledgeas | yes, but what'd I tell to my friends-linux-geeks(?)? |
| 09:06.11 | ieatlint | the software will definitely get better, and i expect to see improvements soon... but no one can say in 6 months 99% reliability |
| 09:06.11 | tonyg | sledgeas, depends on your needs; want a phone, buy a cheap nokia ;) |
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| 09:06.44 | sledgeas | in any case, i should tell them that at the moment GTA02 is 66% relliable phone because of software? |
| 09:07.16 | ieatlint | it's more complicated than that :P |
| 09:07.17 | tonyg | better perhaps to say the callin, callout and sms features work, but power management and suspend/resume is very flaky |
| 09:07.44 | sledgeas | and if they want to use it, they can wait or may as well improve it, after getting around Hayes (ITU ASN.1s) ? |
| 09:07.58 | ieatlint | plus there are 4 different software images for the phone, and each one has benefits/disadvantages |
| 09:08.17 | sledgeas | tonyg: where have you seen a mobile phone suspend? this is not a mobile phone's aspect, or? |
| 09:08.35 | sledgeas | ieatlint: you mean http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:OpenmokoFramework08.png ? |
| 09:08.39 | sledgeas | (on the top) |
| 09:08.51 | ieatlint | sledgeas, what he means is underclocking the cpu and such to save power |
| 09:09.02 | ieatlint | there is a quasi-suspend that essentially all mobile phones have |
| 09:09.04 | sledgeas | ok, so that's scaling |
| 09:09.32 | ieatlint | well, it also has to do with switching the ram to a different mode and several other aspects... i don't know the details |
| 09:10.13 | sledgeas | ic |
| 09:10.33 | sledgeas | ieatlint: is GTA02 enlightment ready? (a question from one-of-the geeks :)) |
| 09:10.41 | ieatlint | no |
| 09:11.13 | ieatlint | there are 4 images: 2007.2, which ships with the gta02 ... it supports all the hardware, but doesn't always have a gui, and is relatively stable |
| 09:11.25 | feitingen | sledgeas: i had/have a motorola a925 which would suspend |
| 09:11.27 | ieatlint | the ASU which has all the features, but is pretty unstable |
| 09:11.39 | feitingen | the freerunner has replacd it |
| 09:11.49 | ieatlint | qtopia, which is made by trolltech, and is the prettiest and quite usable, but pretty much just supports sms/phone calls |
| 09:12.07 | ieatlint | and then FSO ... which is really just a proof of concept for a base platform that only supports phone calls |
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| 09:12.43 | feitingen | qtopia was also the one which is worst on powersaving |
| 09:12.48 | ieatlint | SHR, which is aka "Openmoko Framework" is an announced project |
| 09:12.50 | feitingen | imho |
| 09:12.53 | sledgeas | so, the direction is modularizing [already is?] all gps, wifi etc stuff and moving them to qtopia by providing a GUI of it? |
| 09:13.18 | ieatlint | it plans to take the features of ASU and combine them with the base platform of the FSO, which is regarded as the most stable |
| 09:13.33 | sledgeas | so what about enlightment? |
| 09:13.44 | feitingen | sledgeas: it seems it is a temporary solution to get something usable and stable until the others catch up |
| 09:14.00 | feitingen | my guess |
| 09:14.06 | ieatlint | enlightenment will stay methinks |
| 09:14.11 | sledgeas | in any case, the more people have GTA02 (or at least on qEmu), can the unified idea-bank appear, and not âI will code this thing for myself and wont bother sharing 'cause im too lazyâ :) |
| 09:14.47 | ieatlint | the phone will support enlightenment, qtopia (Qt), gtk+ and standard x11 with the SHR ... |
| 09:15.08 | sledgeas | and all that's in the separate images |
| 09:15.20 | ieatlint | right now, yes |
| 09:15.26 | lpotter | feitingen: qtopia relies on apm, which is broken. but the latest qtopia images qt qtopia.net use mwester images which can actually suspend and resume sucessfully |
| 09:15.26 | ieatlint | but the SHR is intending to merge them |
| 09:15.47 | sledgeas | i foresee wars of flames on qt vs gtk vs X etc â GNOME KDE case basically :) |
| 09:15.48 | feitingen | nice, lpotter |
| 09:15.59 | ieatlint | sledgeas, been there, done that |
| 09:16.05 | ieatlint | they've already taken place primarily |
| 09:16.23 | sledgeas | end everyone's decided to use âeverything possibleâ :D |
| 09:16.26 | ieatlint | perhaps the SHR will offer Qt, gtk+, etc as "options" and you pick what you want |
| 09:16.42 | feitingen | i'd go for enlightenment and i'd develop if icould just get started |
| 09:16.52 | ieatlint | right now, they want to expand the backend using FSO's dbus-API system |
| 09:17.19 | ieatlint | it's considered reliable, simplistic and scalable |
| 09:18.00 | ieatlint | and since it's modular, people could pick and choose their frontend ... eg, i want this dialer, this sms suite and this webbrowser |
| 09:18.21 | sledgeas | that's what's great about it, isn't it ;) |
| 09:18.23 | sledgeas | lol |
| 09:18.32 | ieatlint | yep |
| 09:18.46 | ieatlint | right now, the image you choose picks out your dialer and sms suite, and the general UI |
| 09:18.57 | ieatlint | but the browser is already an add-on, with two present options |
| 09:19.22 | ieatlint | an openmoko webkit browser which is very minimal, and a 4 year old mozilla based browser which has a lot more features, but issues |
| 09:20.05 | sledgeas | the only problem ones'll have one things working in one camp, another -- in another, hey hey we're going through maturity of unix/linux over again from kernel to GUIs lol |
| 09:20.23 | ieatlint | yeah, that's basically it |
| 09:20.30 | ieatlint | but the potential is great |
| 09:20.40 | ieatlint | i think SMS has a whole new future... |
| 09:20.46 | ieatlint | applications based on it |
| 09:21.21 | sledgeas | yup |
| 09:21.22 | sledgeas | and P2P |
| 09:21.28 | ieatlint | for instance, aol aim has an sms shortcode interface... use it instead of gprs, and you have a solution that uses less battery, no data |
| 09:21.33 | sledgeas | (the guy mentioned it here the days before) |
| 09:22.07 | sledgeas | provided both peer's are wi-fi`ed |
| 09:22.19 | ieatlint | it's a lot of great ideas, and undoubtedly a lot of vapourware |
| 09:22.31 | sledgeas | yup.. |
| 09:22.42 | ieatlint | but the potential is definitely there |
| 09:23.15 | ieatlint | plus, it's a new medium... i've always lacked a good programming idea that i could tackle without being completely redundant |
| 09:23.30 | ieatlint | here i feel like i can come up with ideas and implement them, and learn a bit more |
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| 09:31.04 | ieatlint | and qtopia.net is down |
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| 09:48.03 | sledgeas | ieatlint: what about everything but GSM side? |
| 09:48.23 | sledgeas | gps, wi-fi, bt, usb -- everything is out there, but needs to be recompiled (ie ported) to openmoko's? |
| 09:48.29 | sledgeas | what architecture is it ? ARM? |
| 09:48.48 | ieatlint | it's arm, yes... but the existing kernels support all of that |
| 09:49.01 | ieatlint | it's not so much a driver issue (except perhaps with gps) |
| 09:49.07 | ieatlint | it's an interface issue |
| 09:49.26 | ieatlint | there is actually a relatively complete package system |
| 09:49.49 | sledgeas | ok, driver provides it's interface ;) you mean there's no software? hmm -- even a java gps midlets would go, or? |
| 09:50.00 | ieatlint | i've yet to install support on my computer to compile for it, in fact... although in part because it needs gcc3.x and i am reticent to install it |
| 09:50.04 | sledgeas | s/software/client software |
| 09:50.18 | ieatlint | there are some relatively decent gps apps |
| 09:50.29 | ieatlint | it's more a reliability issue |
| 09:50.31 | sledgeas | ok, so this part is not really a problem |
| 09:50.38 | sledgeas | of hardware part? or boogz in soft :) |
| 09:50.48 | ieatlint | well, gps is a separate issue actually |
| 09:51.24 | ieatlint | there's an issue with it taking excessive amounts of time for it to get a fix, if it ever even gets one, that could be hardware, software or both... it's being looked into |
| 09:51.54 | ieatlint | wifi, bluetooth... both have the same drivers and backends as one would see on any other linux system |
| 09:52.03 | ieatlint | (iwconfig, bluez) |
| 09:52.37 | ieatlint | but there is no gui to configure either really... although qtopia does have a rudimentary one for bluetooth, which can pair devices, but not use them |
| 09:52.39 | sledgeas | (11:00:50 AM) ieatlint: gps, gprs, wifi, webbrowser ... not so much -- you can get things working, but it's not the simplest |
| 09:52.53 | ieatlint | yeah, i stand by that |
| 09:53.06 | sledgeas | (11:51:53 AM) ieatlint: wifi, bluetooth... both have the same drivers and backends as one would see on any other linux system |
| 09:53.18 | ieatlint | gps works for me, if i want to stand still in a field with it pointed to the sky |
| 09:53.31 | ieatlint | yep, iwconfig and hciconfig are all there |
| 09:53.33 | sledgeas | you mean, when you put accelerometers to work? |
| 09:53.39 | sledgeas | it cracks? :) |
| 09:53.48 | ieatlint | the accelerometers are working fine |
| 09:53.59 | ieatlint | i've just yet to see any UI for them... |
| 09:54.01 | sledgeas | so, what do you mean by standing still? the software cannot handle more yetr? |
| 09:54.11 | ieatlint | they're /dev/input/event2 and event3, you can cat them and get the data |
| 09:54.31 | ieatlint | gps has issues wth getting a location lock |
| 09:54.32 | sledgeas | splendid :D that's the whole new field, we'll sure will see them yet to come |
| 09:54.50 | ieatlint | yep |
| 09:54.55 | ieatlint | see the topic? |
| 09:55.01 | sledgeas | yea, soldering stuff |
| 09:55.13 | sledgeas | is that GTA02 is sold out (they canceled the whole set off?) |
| 09:55.41 | TeNoVi | Does anyone know how to get sound after I've had the phone in suspend? |
| 09:55.44 | ieatlint | basically, people who can get a fix need to have it in an open area, with the phone oriented so that it gets the best signal it can |
| 09:55.56 | ieatlint | it's not easy to get a fix... once you have a fix, you can keep it really well |
| 09:56.14 | ieatlint | and it's unclear if this is due to software, hardware, or both |
| 09:56.20 | mjr | that's overly negative |
| 09:56.22 | ieatlint | i'm optimistic it's software |
| 09:57.00 | mjr | apparently there are some units with faulty gps antenna connections, but I've found three units already get a fix decently well |
| 09:57.34 | sledgeas | after applying a soldering iron, mjr? :) |
| 09:57.38 | mjr | no |
| 09:57.59 | ieatlint | well, i acknowledge that the 10-15min it can take me to get a fix is acceptable for a cold start |
| 09:58.09 | ieatlint | which is why i am optimistic it's a software issue |
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| 09:58.35 | sledgeas | software = driver in this case? |
| 09:58.41 | ieatlint | but it is still true that getting that fix is very tempermental |
| 09:58.49 | mjr | standing in a (wideish) hole between buildings for up to 5 min |
| 09:59.11 | IXian-probe | in short, 1. the hardware is basically sound. 2. There might be some issues with GPS. 3. most of the backend stuff actually works. (kernel etc.) 4. Midleware is trying to reach beta and stable. 5. Frontend UI etc. has to wait until midleware is starting to solidify and 6. hopefully any other issues can be solved by software. |
| 09:59.24 | ayeuu | leinir: hi, do you have still the kernel panic with a "VFS: cannot open root device "mmcblk0p2" or unknown-block(179,2)" ? |
| 09:59.27 | mjr | there isn't any kernel stuff for the gps |
| 10:00.00 | ieatlint | you sure? i thought i heard there was something a little more than a serial interface to it |
| 10:00.02 | mjr | _some_ units may have faulty gps. Some middleware indeed _might_ be confused by the chip's output (which includes a lot of spruious erroring) |
| 10:00.14 | IXian-probe | ieatlint: was that basically correct? |
| 10:00.42 | mjr | the firmware is unlikely to be overly buggy |
| 10:00.51 | ieatlint | IXian-probe, i dunno |
| 10:01.12 | mjr | ieatlint, well there is the power management interface that turns the chip on or off, but that's pretty solid :] |
| 10:01.17 | ieatlint | i'm speaking from my personal experience... i have not been an active participant in openmoko previously |
| 10:01.36 | leinir | ayeuu: i did when i tried it yesterday, yes :) |
| 10:01.41 | ecraven | what partition type does the fat partition on the sd have? 0C FAT32 (LBA)? |
| 10:02.05 | sledgeas | IXian-probe: than's a hell lot, this message i will forward to my other ~16 friends, we're apt to buying a 10-pack; what are the odds of being late for buying it? i.e., how fast will the new production line be sold out? |
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| 10:02.10 | ieatlint | mjr, well, i am indeed quite optimistic it is a software issue and it just needs to get support for remembering its location to get a fix |
| 10:02.19 | ayeuu | leinir: ok, thx, I've got the same problem to .. no way to run it correctly |
| 10:02.30 | IXian-probe | sledgeas: I don |
| 10:02.31 | mjr | ieatlint, otherwise you may be confusing the situation with the gta01 gps chip (which didn't either need kernel support, but rather an userspace driver) |
| 10:02.51 | leinir | ayeuu: Not one that i've found, sorry :) |
| 10:02.53 | IXian-probe | sledgeas: I don't know anything about production lines, I'm just a hobbyist too ;) |
| 10:02.53 | ieatlint | no, i understand the difference and that gllin is not at all relevant for the gat02 |
| 10:02.54 | sledgeas | IXian-probe: are your msgs being truncated after a quote-apostrophe? :) |
| 10:02.55 | ieatlint | gta |
| 10:03.05 | sledgeas | anyone else knows about production lines? ;) |
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| 10:03.34 | mjr | ieatlint, agps support will certainly improve the situation, but if your antenna connection is truly faulty, not by much |
| 10:03.43 | vpv | ayeuu: I'm getting the same error when trying to boot qtopia from the SD card, have you tried http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021524.html ? |
| 10:03.57 | ieatlint | well, i'm a lucky one... since my antenna does not appear to be faulty |
| 10:04.04 | mjr | but it should get rid of that "oh no I don't have a fix within a minute something's wrong" thing |
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| 10:04.52 | ieatlint | mjr, tell you what, i have 3 gps recievers... i'll bring all 3 down to the beach tomorrow and do a cold start from all 3 and time how long for each to lock |
| 10:05.07 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r4a43f4ef7b12 10/test/test.py: Added global test script |
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| 10:05.18 | ieatlint | if there isn't a huge skew between them, i'll retract any criticism i have |
| 10:05.28 | niklauz | i wonder why the commit script is called that |
| 10:05.33 | mjr | *nod*. I'll grant that the Neo isn't probably a very optimal GPS receiver though. |
| 10:05.55 | mjr | but it's an interesting experiment |
| 10:06.46 | ayeuu | vpv: no, I'll try it, thx |
| 10:06.55 | ieatlint | well, if nothing else, it could subdue criticisms of the hardware |
| 10:08.18 | ecraven | even if the neo gps doesn't get a fix fast, the question still remains whether this is a hardware or software issue (at least according to my very limited knowledge of agps) |
| 10:08.31 | mjr | and anyway, agps is a band-aid for suboptimal reception. Mind you, it _can_ be quite an effective band-aid. |
| 10:08.37 | vpv | ayeuu: I haven't tried it either yet (I may today), but apparently that should fix it... |
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| 10:09.15 | quickdev | Hello |
| 10:09.55 | quickdev | How do I tell opkg to disable signatures? It tries to get http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.sig, but that file doesn't exist. |
| 10:09.57 | ayeuu | vpv: i'll tell you that (after eating) |
| 10:10.44 | mjr | ecraven, agps doesn't fix suboptimal reception, but you do need a better signal for downloading the data off the air than for just getting a location, so it'd certainly help |
| 10:11.32 | mjr | (and anyway, I do think Neo reception isn't terrible, just not necessarily optimal either) |
| 10:11.47 | mjr | from my experiments that is |
| 10:11.49 | ecraven | mjr: i've read reports that once a fix is acquired, the connection stays even in adverse circumstances |
| 10:11.59 | ecraven | so the problem seems to be the initial fix, not general reception |
| 10:12.24 | mjr | and that's because of what I just said |
| 10:15.53 | Psi | hm.. what's the solution to the "no package libmokoui2/gconf-2.0" problem when running autogen? (ubuntu 8.04) i cant see any step ive missed from the wiki guide |
| 10:18.58 | emacsen | can the Freerunner charge while the OS is off? |
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| 10:19.58 | ecraven | emacsen: yes |
| 10:20.21 | emacsen | ecraven, ok. the qtopia image doesn't appear to be aware when it's plugged in |
| 10:20.25 | emacsen | hence my asking |
| 10:24.25 | ecraven | have you tried directly testing the files in /sys/..? |
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| 10:33.35 | Psi | gives up trying to get the toolchain to work and shelves application for a few months |
| 10:40.00 | emacsen | testing what files? |
| 10:40.31 | quickdev | How do I tell opkg to disable signatures? It tries to get http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.sig, but that file doesn't exist. |
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| 10:47.58 | lpotter | emacsen: only the battery status is not working in qtopia, because apm is broken, and no way to get battery status |
| 10:50.34 | IXian-probe | quickdev: the warning messages created by opkg is just warning messages not errors. Does it create a problem? |
| 10:51.16 | quickdev | IXian-probe, I think so. opkg search openmoko doesn't produce any output :( |
| 10:52.04 | IXian-probe | quickdev: then the problem probably isn't the lack of signatures. because it is just a warning message. |
| 10:52.05 | quickdev | IXian-probe, oh, when using a regex it works. Sorry for disturbing. |
| 10:52.15 | IXian-probe | quickdev: check resolv.conf ;) |
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| 10:52.20 | IXian-probe | quickdev: np :) |
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| 10:53.45 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rfde55a16b7e0 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 10:53.46 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: implement the first bits of incoming cell broadcasts: org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.CB.IncomingMessage( channel, data ) |
| 10:53.46 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: Warning: This only works with the new experimental parser which you need to explicitly enable atm. (in parser.py) |
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| 10:56.05 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r99eefea625a4 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (4 files in 4 dirs): ogsmd: add first bits of PDU handling, i.e. packed 7 bit decoding (necessary for CB PDU mode) |
| 10:58.25 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r7c95eafb745a 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: ogsmd: more tweaks to the new parser, still disabled by default though |
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| 11:06.19 | `pwgen_8` | mickeyl|zzZZzz: ping |
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| 11:09.27 | Lo-lan-do | Anyone got an account on the wiki? |
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| 11:10.02 | Lo-lan-do | I'd like to contribute http://www.placard.fr.eu.org/~roland/tmp/manage-contacts.py |
| 11:10.13 | Lo-lan-do | For the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts page |
| 11:10.25 | Lo-lan-do | My script builds on the previous one, and adds: |
| 11:10.25 | SpeedEvil | Setting up an acount is _really_ easy |
| 11:10.33 | Lo-lan-do | - a hack to get the DBUS session id |
| 11:10.47 | Lo-lan-do | - a "dump all contacts" feature |
| 11:10.48 | abraxa_ | Lo-lan-do: I think wurp2|away wrote it |
| 11:11.34 | Lo-lan-do | So if you need a more comfortable environment to tune your contacts, just dump, open in Emacs, and reload. |
| 11:13.17 | isprins | This must be fixed: |
| 11:13.17 | isprins | * Ensured security using a hypervisor |
| 11:13.17 | isprins | * Abstracted data-persistence using an integrated API, working, e.g., over SQLLite, a la Core Data, with automatic protection for different sessions on different apps |
| 11:13.40 | isprins | * Abstracted access to contact information, with an integrated API |
| 11:13.41 | isprins | * Abstracted certain GUI effects (page lift, screen flip, etc.) via GUI extensions |
| 11:13.42 | `pwgen_8` | mickeyl|zzZZzz: ping |
| 11:14.02 | isprins | * Abstracted multimedia tasks (Qt4.4's Phonon support does this, does Qtopia do it) |
| 11:14.03 | isprins | * Created new widgets for phone use (ScreenWindow, NotebookWindow, SlideButton, ScreenKeyboard) etc. |
| 11:14.03 | isprins | *Get some strong management in there, kill off two of the software stacks, NOW. Put all the developers on the remaining stack, the one that has the most promise. |
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| 11:14.48 | abraxa_ | isprins: What's that? |
| 11:15.10 | isprins | some suggestions |
| 11:15.33 | abraxa_ | isprins: You're being kinda rude, just to let you know. |
| 11:15.38 | mickey|zzZZzz | `pwgen_8`: just about to go for lunch. what'sup? |
| 11:19.00 | `pwgen_8` | mickey|zzZZzz: not important : got to lunch , ( i got the battery applet working ) |
| 11:19.57 | ecraven | how do i build an fso image with mokomakefile? just moko setup && moko fso-image? (after adjusting the OM_GIT_BRANCH) |
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| 11:20.34 | `pwgen_8` | ecraven: use the OE branch |
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| 11:20.58 | ecraven | `pwgen_8`: how? |
| 11:21.19 | ecraven | atm my OM_GIT_BRANCH is org.openembedded.dev |
| 11:21.38 | `pwgen_8` | edit moko makefile |
| 11:24.41 | `pwgen_8` | you need the openembedded monotone, not the git part, see http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Getting_Started |
| 11:25.05 | ecraven | is shawn rutledge sometimes here? |
| 11:25.26 | Ainulindale | Does anyhone have some documentation on how to use the toolchain built with mokomakefile or bitbake ? |
| 11:26.20 | `pwgen_8` | Ainulinale: source the setup.env ; change to build ; and type for example "bitbake ncurses" |
| 11:26.45 | Ainulindale | That wasn't my question :-) |
| 11:26.51 | Ainulindale | I have .C files to compile |
| 11:28.08 | `pwgen_8` | there are little examples on hot to create a bb file for compilation in the OE wiki and somewehere in the openmoko wiki |
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| 11:28.43 | `pwgen_8` | better use use a local overlay |
| 11:29.29 | Ainulindale | Any URL ? |
| 11:30.25 | `pwgen_8` | http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Customizing_the_Openmoko_Distribution |
| 11:30.34 | Ainulindale | Thanks :-) |
| 11:32.01 | `pwgen_8` | there are also little examples but look a bit around in the openembedded.org/packages dir , there are often bb files, that fullfill your needs by copying and changeing a litte bit |
| 11:32.34 | Ainulindale | This URL is perfect |
| 11:33.24 | `pwgen_8` | i suggest useing a local overlay, or you got many problems updateing your environment |
| 11:33.39 | Ainulindale | Yep I got that thanks |
| 11:34.42 | macdonalder | doc|home: why are our phones in phladelphia? :P |
| 11:35.56 | sledgeas | guys, what are the odds of being late for ordering GTA02 after July 25th? i.e., how fast will the new production line be sold out? |
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| 11:38.49 | Rakshasa | muikku |
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| 11:49.39 | ayeuu | vpv: yes, thx a lot, that works :) |
| 11:50.22 | vpv | ayeuu: that's good news, thanks for testing, I can't try it on my phone until a few hours |
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| 12:18.09 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4525 10/developers/john_lee/pyfso/: |
| 12:18.09 | CIA-42 | openmoko: pyfso: python binding for the free smartphone framework |
| 12:18.10 | CIA-42 | openmoko: it doesn't stand for 'Put Your Frickin' Seat Belt On!' |
| 12:19.49 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3196e35a99ea 10/etc/dbus-1/system.d/frameworkd.conf: dbus configuration: fix framework object path. patch by Sudarshan S, thanks. |
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| 12:53.37 | ecraven | anyone of the FSO team online and talking? |
| 12:55.27 | `pwgen_8` | FSO -> mickyl is responsible |
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| 12:56.31 | ecraven | mickey|lunch? |
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| 12:59.51 | abraxa_ | Lo-lan-do: You there? |
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| 13:02.09 | Lo-lan-do | Yup. |
| 13:02.29 | Lo-lan-do | I've seen a thread on the list, I'm about to post a cleaned up version of my script to it. |
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| 13:14.39 | Lo-lan-do | There, sent. |
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| 13:27.45 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r400d4d3a2fd4 10/ (11 files in 10 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/org.openmoko.asu.dev' into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
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| 13:56.34 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r496359657b99 10/packages/initscripts/initscripts-1.0/openmoko/bootmisc.sh: [initscripts] Fork the bootmisc.sh for Openmoko |
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| 14:01.04 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r483eef763126 10/packages/initscripts/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Remove the ldconfig call from the right file. This revers/fixes up |
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| 14:03.29 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r30b82ff355d4 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Install a hint for ldconfig to find the Qtopia directory |
| 14:04.26 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r0e568e7c9df5 10/packages/glibc/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [glibc] Split ld.so.conf up to allow to install other paths by other packages |
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| 14:05.56 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * refa3f664bc53 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/bootmisc.sh initscripts_1.0.bb): [initscripts] Remove ldconfig call from the initscript to gain a speed increase |
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| 14:09.36 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5c6775f48b4f 10/packages/efl1/etk_cvs.bb: remove etk patch |
| 14:09.46 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * re6695ae87478 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: illume - fix fullscreen windows with layering. |
| 14:09.53 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r73b0ed4f06f8 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: up EFL to include etk momentum scroll fixes. |
| 14:09.55 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb04797774f98 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update illum config |
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| 14:10.54 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r431293a61ed5 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up exposure to srcrev 55 to fix blank vs suspend timeout. |
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| 14:12.37 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc3ad7d601a73 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko-asu-feed] Add task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb |
| 14:12.44 | linuxxr | build it an they will come |
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| 14:15.15 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r7737221368ed 10/packages/meta/openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko-asu-feed] Add openmoko-asu-feed.bb |
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| 14:19.00 | linuxxr | sold em all? |
| 14:19.00 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2c04df443ace 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [diversity] Add default map packages into task-openmoko-asu-feed |
| 14:20.17 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd28107e85e59 10/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-feed-configs.bb: [openmoko] Change default feed repository |
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| 14:23.21 | sledgeas | guys, what are the odds of being late for ordering GTA02 after July 25th? i.e., how fast will the new production line be sold out? |
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| 14:24.39 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/Freerunner.gif |
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| 14:24.59 | SpeedEvil | Has a graph of speed of sales of the 850MHz freerunner on the shop |
| 14:25.25 | SpeedEvil | As a guess, you've probably got a couple of days at the very least |
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| 14:26.52 | HauDyrArb | SpeedEvil, how did you get the data for the graph? |
| 14:27.18 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r0440c706380c 10/packages/initscripts/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Move the banner change to a openmoko specific file. And remove stuff we don't use |
| 14:27.25 | SpeedEvil | You enter 1000 into the shop. |
| 14:27.32 | SpeedEvil | click 'update' |
| 14:27.34 | HauDyrArb | aah that way |
| 14:28.22 | HauDyrArb | so you have been sitting and clicking update every hour in around five days |
| 14:29.12 | SpeedEvil | HauDyrArb: occasionally |
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| 14:30.45 | HauDyrArb | pats SpeedEvil on the back *good work* |
| 14:31.38 | TAsnn | SpeedEvil, i guess writing a script to do it for you is considered too fancy nowadays? :) |
| 14:31.59 | SpeedEvil | It's annoyingly complex as I'd have to work out to send the cookie |
| 14:32.15 | SpeedEvil | vs just clicking reload on a tab occasionally, and typing in a number |
| 14:32.23 | Lo-lan-do | Hah, a script. Youngsters nowadays! When I was your age... |
| 14:32.36 | TAsnn | SpeedEvil, ;0 well at least you thought about that. ;0 |
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| 14:32.42 | HauDyrArb | get off my lawn |
| 14:32.47 | TAsnn | damn i E-smile too much! |
| 14:33.44 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0a29e59e76b7 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Attempt at a stable kernel update. |
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| 14:36.16 | MrShlee | Goodnight |
| 14:40.00 | rooly|away | http://youtube.com/watch?feature=dir&v=5ow8-_Vf82o |
| 14:40.22 | HauDyrArb | This video or group may contain content that is inappropriate for some users, as flagged by YouTube's user community. |
| 14:40.28 | rooly|away | damnit, wrong channel |
| 14:40.31 | rooly|away | and no, it's not bad |
| 14:41.08 | HauDyrArb | but its probably not sesamystreet :-) |
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| 14:47.59 | GoldenHawk | Early seasons of sesame street have warnings on them that they're not appropriate for children. |
| 14:48.42 | GoldenHawk | http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/magazine/18wwln-medium-t.html?_r=1&ref=magazine&oref=slogin |
| 14:48.43 | mjr | yeah Avenue Q is better anyway |
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| 14:51.11 | HauDyrArb | GoldenHawk, lol, just to make my statement even more twisted |
| 14:51.58 | GoldenHawk | :] |
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| 14:59.55 | linuxxr | still sitting at san pablo |
| 15:00.04 | linuxxr | :( |
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| 15:04.46 | IXian-probe | Hi, I've been writing up and howto for users to properly test their GPS. I think it might be useful to put up on the openmoko wiki. Is it needed? |
| 15:05.00 | IXian-probe | and=a |
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| 15:07.17 | edistar | IXian-probe: just add it! might be helpful for some people |
| 15:07.20 | IXian-probe | I need someone to read through it, it need both proofing and a critical eye towards the steps. |
| 15:07.40 | edistar | IXian-probe: show me |
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| 15:16.18 | IXian-probe | edistar: brb, posting to the wiki now. |
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| 15:16.38 | edistar | IXian-probe: ok |
| 15:17.17 | IXian-probe | edistar: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Howto_Test_Your_GPS_with_agpsui |
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| 15:20.29 | Chocky | all! |
| 15:21.06 | edistar | IXian-probe: I think the best position for a fix is when the hole is at the bottom and the opposite side is at the top, upright as it seems |
| 15:21.44 | IXian-probe | probably, but it has to lay on a flat surface. easier to tell people. ^_^ |
| 15:21.53 | edistar | hehe |
| 15:21.59 | IXian-probe | edistar: I need to fix formating hell though ;) |
| 15:22.10 | edistar | heh |
| 15:22.23 | zmoll | IXian : I have bookmarked your how to test GPS for when my freerunner arrives. Looks good and not being a programmer I was looking for something beneficial to do test-wise. |
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| 15:23.27 | edistar | IXian-probe: looks good |
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| 15:24.24 | Lo-lan-do | I'd s/NEMA/NMEA/ though. |
| 15:25.08 | edistar | there are several mistakes in the article, I might go through it later on |
| 15:25.46 | edistar | but otherwise it is very complete! |
| 15:26.04 | Dave | Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil |
| 15:26.20 | Chocky | Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave |
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| 15:29.26 | IXian-probe | edistar: yeah, I'm not that... fantastic with spelling and there are probably some factual mistakes too. :/ But never the less, if it helps clear the gps cloud-of-confusion it might do some god. :) |
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| 15:30.45 | te_acrid | has anyone done the gps soldering? im scared of killing something sensitive... the pin is so small :( |
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| 15:31.57 | linuxxr | send it back |
| 15:32.25 | linuxxr | killer quality control |
| 15:32.31 | te_acrid | it will take ages to get a new one i guess |
| 15:32.55 | linuxxr | maybe get 1 with some new stuff maybe |
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| 15:33.14 | linuxxr | 15 days is not good |
| 15:33.20 | te_acrid | what kind of new stuff? |
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| 15:38.25 | SpeedEvil | beats mercilessly on IXian-probe's prose. |
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| 15:41.16 | newb | hi i want to know about the GPS module on Openmoko does it have an inbuilt antenna or i need to connect one? |
| 15:41.17 | Dave | :o |
| 15:41.22 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 15:41.22 | Xaos | Woo Hoo! My FR is in the Metroplex as of 3 hours ago... |
| 15:41.23 | Chocky | o: |
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| 15:41.29 | SpeedEvil | depending on your freerunner. |
| 15:41.31 | Dave | Chockster! |
| 15:41.36 | Xaos | to be delivered tomorrow! |
| 15:41.37 | SpeedEvil | Some have broken internal antennas. |
| 15:41.44 | Chocky | is going to be carrying around $2000 in cash :| |
| 15:41.47 | Dave | Speedevil, I am going to look into modding a freerunner |
| 15:41.51 | Chocky | go to bank later. |
| 15:41.53 | SpeedEvil | Dave: todo what? |
| 15:42.03 | Dave | First of all, replacement antennas |
| 15:42.04 | SpeedEvil | Dave: a ninja pirate robot? |
| 15:42.06 | SpeedEvil | Mah. |
| 15:42.07 | Dave | haha |
| 15:42.09 | SpeedEvil | Boring. |
| 15:42.12 | Dave | isn't that a bit contradictory |
| 15:42.16 | Dave | speedevil, fine |
| 15:42.21 | Chocky | Dave: you clearly haven't spent much time in Japan |
| 15:42.32 | Dave | Chocky, on the contrary :p |
| 15:42.39 | Dave | I have spent several years there :) |
| 15:42.43 | Chocky | er, the right parts of Japan |
| 15:42.47 | Dave | hahaha |
| 15:42.48 | Chocky | backs up |
| 15:42.48 | SpeedEvil | throws a fishermans wifes friend at Dave. |
| 15:42.54 | Dave | hahaha, basically :P |
| 15:43.05 | Dave | wives? |
| 15:43.06 | Dave | shesh |
| 15:43.16 | Chocky | suggests some grammar. |
| 15:43.19 | Dave | So let's see the freerunner should do what? |
| 15:43.26 | Dave | 0 to 60 in under 3s? |
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| 15:43.31 | Chocky | be able to make phone calls |
| 15:43.34 | Chocky | 1 minutes. |
| 15:43.36 | Chocky | -s |
| 15:43.39 | Dave | haha, and oh yeah, that :P |
| 15:43.48 | Chocky | there's no reason why the FR can't boot a hell of a lot faster |
| 15:43.58 | Dave | pretty much |
| 15:44.06 | Chocky | dammit, did I just volunteer myself? |
| 15:44.06 | Dave | store it's entire system state in flash? |
| 15:44.11 | Chocky | its :p |
| 15:44.11 | Dave | unless that's totally unreasonable |
| 15:44.14 | Dave | hahaha |
| 15:44.44 | Chocky | I'll need to go through all the bits to make any specific suggestions. |
| 15:44.54 | Dave | maybe :) |
| 15:45.00 | Dave | Wild and crazy ideas always welcome, as well :) |
| 15:45.02 | Chocky | all talk |
| 15:45.13 | Dave | Speedevil, I can imagine myself with a large UPS on my back |
| 15:45.18 | Dave | and antenna on my head |
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| 15:45.27 | Dave | walking around with a tethered freerunner in hand. |
| 15:45.28 | Chocky | on top of a tin foil hat |
| 15:45.33 | Dave | fuck the foil |
| 15:45.36 | Dave | :P |
| 15:45.45 | Dave | though yeah, nice attire, right? ;) |
| 15:45.52 | Dave | if you didn't look crazy to begin with... |
| 15:45.53 | Dave | YOU DO NOW! |
| 15:46.06 | Chocky | I don't look crazy, it's just everyone else |
| 15:46.37 | Dave | suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure they do |
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| 15:47.03 | SpeedEvil | Entire state in flash is broken |
| 15:47.13 | SpeedEvil | 3M/second or so, 128M RAM, ... |
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| 15:48.23 | Dave | Speedvil? |
| 15:48.31 | Dave | oh, haha |
| 15:48.33 | bricode | IXian-probe: Slick writeup for GPS. |
| 15:48.47 | IXian-probe | bricode: thanks. |
| 15:48.49 | Dave | so it'll take the better part of a minute to "hibernate"? |
| 15:48.59 | Dave | bricode did something!? |
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| 15:49.28 | Dave | Does it come in a bag form, as well? :D |
| 15:49.37 | sitwon | Dave: unless you keep part of the system in flash already and only write the changes.... |
| 15:49.43 | Chocky | 10 pounds of, 5 pound bag |
| 15:49.43 | linuxxr | antenea hat |
| 15:50.06 | Dave | sitwon, or come up with a more pragmatic design |
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| 15:50.14 | sitwon | that too |
| 15:50.19 | IXian-probe | fractal antenna.. mm... |
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| 15:50.28 | Dave | like a separate bus (not necessarily dedicated) |
| 15:50.30 | guest | hello |
| 15:50.32 | Dave | or more reaslistic flash |
| 15:50.35 | Dave | realistic |
| 15:50.42 | Dave | anyhoo, it's still a neat idea, anyway :) |
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| 15:51.08 | Dave | and I'd rather take a one minute suspend than a phone which will just ooze battery life until it dies a horrible hot short death |
| 15:51.11 | Dave | :) |
| 15:51.15 | Dave | Assuming it worked :] |
| 15:51.16 | sitwon | GPSy questoin... on the SS tab, should I be seeing anything on that graph or does it only change if you actually manage to connect to a satelite? |
| 15:51.18 | linuxxr | still in san pablo>* |
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| 15:51.30 | Dave | right |
| 15:52.04 | Guest41446 | anyone interested in signing up for google apps? |
| 15:52.13 | Chocky | no, spammer |
| 15:52.25 | Guest41446 | sorry i'm not really trying to spam |
| 15:52.36 | carrar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.36 | carrar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.36 | carrar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.39 | carrar | whats up with that |
| 15:52.49 | Chocky | DNS is bust somewhere |
| 15:52.58 | carrar | openmoko asked about a zip code error |
| 15:53.01 | Chocky | or some black listing |
| 15:53.02 | Dave | eh? |
| 15:53.19 | carrar | reply back and mail is not getting back |
| 15:53.22 | carrar | replied |
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| 15:53.27 | sitwon | what is the procedure to ship it back if you have a phone w/ faulty GPS? |
| 15:53.43 | Dave | That sounds like a royal pain in the ass. |
| 15:54.19 | tonyg | augh. my new-built and new-flashed FSO image doesn't start sshd or X. |
| 15:54.21 | Chocky | That's Ass Sovereign to you |
| 15:54.33 | Dave | :p |
| 15:54.43 | Dave | Yes, your majesty :p |
| 15:55.35 | Guest41446 | so how is everyone? |
| 15:55.52 | Dave | WE ARE WELL. |
| 15:55.54 | Chocky | I'll be the butt of my jester's jokes |
| 15:55.59 | Guest41446 | good |
| 15:56.15 | Guest41446 | do you have the freerunner already, dave? |
| 15:56.23 | mwester | Well, generally speaking I'm ok. My knee hurts from an old injury, and I have slight headache this morning. |
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| 15:56.49 | Chocky | I have a bruise from a RipStik, does that count? |
| 15:57.06 | SpeedEvil | has toothache. |
| 15:57.12 | carrar | When are they going to ship the phones? |
| 15:57.14 | mwester | Everything counts, Chocky. We're all people, and we all experience pain. |
| 15:57.15 | SpeedEvil | And an annoying burn from a soldering iron. |
| 15:57.40 | Chocky | carrar: real the wiki page |
| 15:57.43 | Chocky | er, read |
| 15:57.55 | carrar | which page |
| 15:58.01 | Chocky | question |
| 15:58.34 | Guest41446 | does anyone have the w.e. phone? |
| 15:58.44 | Chocky | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Where_is_my_Freerunner%3F |
| 15:58.48 | SpeedEvil | ponders a wii phone. |
| 15:58.55 | Chocky | has no weekend phone. |
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| 15:59.02 | Guest41446 | huh? |
| 15:59.31 | summatusmentis | the w.e phone is the plaid one right? |
| 15:59.43 | Guest41446 | it says it's the same as the freerunner |
| 16:00.00 | summatusmentis | yeah, I don't know anything about it |
| 16:00.10 | Guest41446 | and you can get it for free if you refer people to google apps |
| 16:00.15 | mwester | wonders if someone is charging extra for a freerunner with a little paint. |
| 16:00.29 | Guest41446 | and i'm really trying to get the phone as a gift for someone |
| 16:00.38 | Guest41446 | i know nothing about these phones |
| 16:00.54 | Guest41446 | someone from the openmoko company referred me to it |
| 16:01.00 | carrar | hrmm people after me have been shipped |
| 16:01.01 | carrar | wtf |
| 16:02.19 | Dave | Speedevil, oh gawd. |
| 16:02.23 | Dave | That's just pure EVIL |
| 16:02.32 | Dave | What's next, the iFree? |
| 16:02.38 | Chocky | oFree |
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| 16:04.00 | Dave | craptopia |
| 16:04.05 | Dave | :[ |
| 16:04.10 | Guest41446 | what's wrong? |
| 16:04.12 | Dave | Is there a friggin' pkg repo yet? |
| 16:04.18 | Dave | qpkg |
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| 16:04.41 | Dave | searches for a learn python in 24min |
| 16:04.48 | Guest41446 | where you from dave? |
| 16:05.05 | Dave | NY |
| 16:05.20 | SpeedEvil | IXian-probe: Done a bit of copy-editing, and added a note that the FR should be in a vertical position. |
| 16:05.29 | Dave | good |
| 16:05.51 | SpeedEvil | IXian-probe: otherwise, youhave lousy sensitivity to a bit more than half teh satellites in the sky |
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| 16:10.18 | tonyg | Does the kernel in fso-image have debug turned on for the SD card access, or is it just Very Noisy about the sd card during bootup? |
| 16:10.28 | tonyg | (I have a GTA01) |
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| 16:12.19 | Dave | FREECAM |
| 16:12.32 | Dave | tonyg, noisy? |
| 16:13.39 | Chocky | hm. my freerunner and I think some other cellphones sometimes cause noise on my computer speakers. Both my work and home speakers |
| 16:13.48 | tonyg | Dave, it prints lots of SD-card related debug |
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| 16:14.00 | Chocky | it's a couple of bursts over a few seconds |
| 16:14.16 | Chocky | blames Linux |
| 16:14.34 | Xaos | Chocky: GSM phones do that when near speakers of all sorts |
| 16:14.38 | Chocky | aw. |
| 16:14.39 | Dave | hah |
| 16:14.41 | Chocky | slaps GSM |
| 16:14.45 | Dave | weird |
| 16:14.46 | Xaos | It's usually tower updates or when a call is about to come in. |
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| 16:15.02 | Dave | Xaos, unrelated thing |
| 16:15.06 | Xaos | ahh |
| 16:15.07 | Xaos | nm |
| 16:15.10 | Dave | and yeah I know of that though :P |
| 16:15.12 | Dave | hahaha |
| 16:15.22 | Chocky | so what is it then? |
| 16:15.25 | Xaos | slinks back into a corner and continues to work at his "real" job |
| 16:15.26 | Dave | it's like OMFG SURPRISE!!1111 |
| 16:15.31 | Chocky | pwnies |
| 16:15.32 | Dave | heehee |
| 16:15.35 | Chocky | yes, and apart from that? |
| 16:15.44 | Dave | SNAP CRACKLE BOOM, phonecall. |
| 16:15.44 | tonyg | "CMD[OK] #72 op:CMD17 arg:0x0005e000 flags:0x08b5 retries:0 R0:0x00000900", "DAT[OK] #42 bsize:512 blocks:1 bytes:512", "req done (CMD17)" phew I'm sick of typing this all in |
| 16:15.48 | Dave | :P |
| 16:15.50 | Dave | heehee |
| 16:15.59 | Dave | okay okay, tonyg, we get the point ;) |
| 16:16.03 | Dave | prods speedevil |
| 16:16.23 | tonyg | so judgin by the #73 on the final repetition of the messages, it's doing whatever-is-noisy around 73 or 74 times. |
| 16:16.51 | tonyg | maybe I'll take out my sd card and see if it boots cleaner (or at least quieter) |
| 16:17.03 | tonyg | the power button no longer switches the machine off, even if you hold it for >20s |
| 16:17.05 | tonyg | damn it |
| 16:17.19 | Dave | :[ |
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| 16:18.12 | bricode | Chocky: It's a harmonic in the GSM codec that creates a 216 Hz tone. |
| 16:18.22 | Chocky | rite. |
| 16:18.39 | Chocky | slaps Dave for never giving straight answers |
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| 16:19.19 | tonyg | booting without the SD card inserted gives ~20 failure messages during kernel initialisation, but during the rootfs startup it's quieter and clearly isn't trying to touch the sd card |
| 16:19.35 | Chocky | omfg Linux 2.6.26 |
| 16:19.37 | Xaos | bricode: I think it's a harmonic divergence in the flux capacitor. We need to re-align the dilithium crystals for a cleaner signal. |
| 16:19.45 | Xaos | ;-) |
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| 16:20.26 | HauDyr | have you checked the voltage: it needs to be 1.21 JigoWatts |
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| 16:21.12 | Xaos | no wonder the battery life is so short |
| 16:21.57 | Ainulindale | Marf :-) |
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| 16:26.00 | HauDyr | LOL you can unlock the screen by pressing the aux button |
| 16:26.23 | Chocky | where is this LOL button? |
| 16:26.28 | tonyg | so, does mokomakefile's "make fso-image" actually boot and work for anyone here? |
| 16:26.30 | Chocky | and can we all disable it? |
| 16:26.46 | tonyg | mine is missing things like libz, libapm, libglib |
| 16:27.31 | tonyg | so it won't even start the sshd, since it can't generate the host key, because libz is missing when it tries to run dropbearkey |
| 16:27.53 | HauDyr | Chocky, it's right besides the ROTFL-COPTER button |
| 16:28.10 | SpeedEvil | And http://bash.org/./?5300 |
| 16:28.13 | SpeedEvil | (same topic |
| 16:28.17 | Chocky | I think that's an optional extra |
| 16:28.42 | Chocky | bash.org is my hero |
| 16:28.56 | Ainulindale | Anybody here could help me to build a package for agps-online ? |
| 16:29.00 | Ainulindale | I don't know where to start |
| 16:29.35 | SpeedEvil | why not download? |
| 16:29.44 | Ainulindale | Download ? |
| 16:30.29 | SpeedEvil | the package |
| 16:30.52 | Ainulindale | where ? |
| 16:31.10 | balrog-k1n | what? |
| 16:31.24 | SpeedEvil | I imagine it's linked from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Howto_Test_Your_GPS_with_agpsui |
| 16:31.41 | linuxxr | wait till super DAVE adds the teleport button |
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| 16:32.14 | linuxxr | then the masses will come |
| 16:32.28 | Ainulindale | SpeedEvil: I was speaking about agps-online |
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| 16:32.30 | tonyg | . o O (maybe it was the INHERIT += "rm_work" that screwed up the build of the rootfs image. Well it's disabled now, I'll see what that does when the endless build completes) |
| 16:32.31 | Ainulindale | not openmoko-agpsui |
| 16:32.34 | Lo-lan-do | Yay, new kernel in opkg upgrade! |
| 16:32.43 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 16:32.44 | Lo-lan-do | Will it fix the freezes? :-) |
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| 16:34.46 | Stroller | ooooh! |
| 16:34.52 | Stroller | Mine is in town! |
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| 16:35.05 | Stroller | Truebox are dropping it off in an hour or two! |
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| 16:48.12 | Ainulindale | Weird thing. I had NMEA unknown messages (so I guess it received some signals), then cold reseted the GPS device, then they weren't there anymore. I rebooted, and here they are again. |
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| 16:50.06 | SpeedEvil | It does that |
| 16:50.21 | Ainulindale | It doesn't seem normal, does it ? |
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| 16:52.22 | webar7 | umm is stuff like this possible ---> http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/10/03/blackberry-9000-whispers-in-our-ear/comment-page-6/#comment-229771 |
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| 16:52.51 | webar7 | It seems openmoko has a "glove" design (with opensource schematics available on line) |
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| 16:53.25 | mjr | stuff like what possible? |
| 16:53.26 | webar7 | could a physical keyboard be made part of a glove ?! |
| 16:53.34 | Chocky | yes !? |
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| 16:54.24 | Chocky | http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=keyboard+glove&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2 |
| 16:54.29 | Chocky | TSLOG |
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| 16:55.11 | webar7 | gaak!! |
| 16:55.26 | webar7 | me want one for my openmoko "dphone" |
| 16:55.32 | webar7 | :) |
| 16:55.41 | Chocky | http://www.coolbuzz.org/entry/hot-gadget-modtek-usb-warming-gloves/ |
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| 16:57.30 | Arg0naut | anyone get their freerunner today? |
| 16:57.40 | Chocky | yes, when I picked it up off my desk |
| 16:57.42 | webar7 | Chocky, I think the idea there was to have the protective cover for a "touch screen" phone double as keyboard |
| 16:57.54 | cjb | tomorrow |
| 16:58.11 | Chocky | GTA04 |
| 16:58.29 | tunys | in another chan" |
| 16:58.30 | tunys | : |
| 16:58.33 | tunys | 09:57 <@gagbro> openmoko is a better "statement", yes - iphone only state that you are gay |
| 16:58.45 | Chocky | openmoko states that you're a booger |
| 16:59.35 | Stroller | Arg0naut: Truebox are dropping mine off in an hour or two! |
| 16:59.44 | Arg0naut | hey don't bad mouth the gays by saying their the ones buying iphones, it's the "hipsters" we should be bad mouthing |
| 16:59.57 | webar7 | openmoko phone's "form factor" is very nice ... tough and rugged looking but sleek and sexy ... like angelina jolie :) |
| 17:00.04 | GoldenHawk | Ah, I see we're discussing the technical details of the freerunner eh? I hear its booger module is 128k and faster than any other boogers on the market. |
| 17:00.30 | Chocky | GoldenHawk: Hell Yeah! |
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| 17:00.43 | GoldenHawk | *g* |
| 17:00.51 | mwester | wishes people would cease attempts at comparisons until the device can actually make phone calls and send SMS messages. |
| 17:01.11 | webar7 | my geeky iphone friends said today "yeah well that openmoko thing has no built-in wifi" |
| 17:01.15 | Chocky | point is, wife say the carry case, with "OpenMoko" and said "That sounds like a booger" |
| 17:01.17 | unknown_lamer | mwester: what? my friend got his freerunner and called/smsed me to lord over me perfectly fine :-( |
| 17:01.19 | webar7 | haha |
| 17:01.55 | GoldenHawk | I'm surprised.. it doesn't make calls or send SMS? |
| 17:02.15 | Chocky | making calls, GPS, suspend/resume, wifi - choose one. |
| 17:02.17 | unknown_lamer | GoldenHawk: it should work OK until you suspend with the software loaded onto it |
| 17:02.20 | mwester | unknown_lamer: it works _mostly_, if you do not attempt to use suspend/resume on the pre-installed image. |
| 17:02.20 | GoldenHawk | I thought they would have had to have made it do that in order to 'proof of concept' the hardware. |
| 17:02.29 | unknown_lamer | GoldenHawk: and then he installed Qtopia last night and now he says it Works (tm) |
| 17:02.33 | cbrake | doe the neo1973 with the qtopia-x11 image suspend? |
| 17:02.38 | nomeata | mwester: is there a fix for the suspend problem? |
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| 17:02.57 | GoldenHawk | unknown_lamer: Okay makes sense. That's what i was expecting. It works but shouldn't be relied upon. |
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| 17:03.14 | mwester | nomeata: There are partial fixes, but it requires that all the software stacks understand suspend/resume, they do not yet. |
| 17:03.24 | GoldenHawk | I'm imagining myself trying to make a 911 call, fumbling with the onscreen keyboard to do a 'modprobe thephone' |
| 17:03.36 | GoldenHawk | And then that's all she wrote for me x.x |
| 17:03.42 | SpeedEvil | GoldenHawk: it's not _quite_ that bad. |
| 17:03.42 | mwester | I have some improvements on my site that make a big difference for the pre-installed (2007.2, aka gtk) image. |
| 17:03.46 | webar7 | "I said: I think you mean it has no camera or video :-P" |
| 17:03.54 | SpeedEvil | GoldenHawk: but it's really not very polished. |
| 17:04.03 | GoldenHawk | SpeedEvil: I'll be able to see for myself soon :) I ordered one. |
| 17:04.08 | SpeedEvil | GoldenHawk: it's still at the rough chiseling out stage usingsledgehammers. |
| 17:04.17 | unknown_lamer | hmm I wonder if my current phone can do e911 -- it's not even licensed for use in the US |
| 17:04.21 | unknown_lamer | is an evil evil lawbreaking sinner |
| 17:04.28 | mjr | wants to be SpeedEvil's sledgehammer |
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| 17:04.59 | Xaos | has anyone here ever actually USED one of the projected keyboards like this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ |
| 17:05.21 | bricode | Xaos: I have, under OSX and Ubuntu. |
| 17:05.27 | GoldenHawk | SpeedEvil: Is connecting to the internet through GSM fairly stable? |
| 17:05.41 | SpeedEvil | GoldenHawk: It was when I did it. |
| 17:05.44 | Xaos | how is it? it seems the lack of tactile feedback would be annoying...is it? |
| 17:05.45 | GoldenHawk | Neat. |
| 17:06.06 | bricode | Xaos: You actually get used to it. It's got a feedback beep as you type, so you know when you've hit a key. |
| 17:06.09 | unknown_lamer | now for someone to figure out how to make gsm+gprs registration work so gsm call notifications still come in while gprs is active... |
| 17:06.15 | SpeedEvil | GoldenHawk: but I don't think that's well implemented on any stack |
| 17:06.29 | bricode | Xaos: You also still get the tactile feedback of the surface you're using it on. |
| 17:06.30 | Xaos | bricode: it seems that keyboard would be an awesome addition to a FR then...eh? |
| 17:06.40 | bricode | Xaos: Yes. |
| 17:06.40 | Xaos | just another $160 |
| 17:07.01 | mwester | Xaos: I think its a personal thing; a friend of mine loves one of those, or something similar to that; I tried it and cannot use it because my fingers seem to be trained to require tactile feedback! |
| 17:07.47 | Xaos | mwester: that's what I was wondering about myself. you got one you want to send me since you don't like them? ;-) |
| 17:07.49 | bricode | mwester: People also said you'd never type with your thumbs... |
| 17:08.05 | IXian-probe | SpeedEvil: ok, but I chose to write the FR should lie flat because it is easier to find a stable surface. Seriously, how can anyone put their FR in a stable vertical position without a clamp or some sort of clunky contraption? besides, the point is not to get the best possible reception, the point is to make people test their phone in the same way. |
| 17:08.17 | GoldenHawk | I'm dreaming up projects for openmoko and I'm thinking of an MMO type game where it sends your GPS location.. and you can set up little bases on locations on the earth and try to defend them by occasionally bringing them resources and stuff :p |
| 17:08.22 | mwester | Xaos: :) Nope - do like I did, and get a freind to spend the bucks instead! |
| 17:08.24 | Chocky | so rant |
| 17:08.32 | SpeedEvil | IXian-probe: a cup works well |
| 17:08.43 | Chocky | a coffee cup full of coffee |
| 17:08.47 | SpeedEvil | IXian-probe: the problem is that with it lying flat, it pixks up - well - maybe a third of the sky |
| 17:08.56 | mwester | bricode: Yep, that's why I said "trained" -- I expect that time will make anyone used to alternates. |
| 17:08.57 | Arg0naut | does anyone know if UPS takes credit cards? |
| 17:08.57 | Xaos | mwester: LOL...been there...done THAT before! |
| 17:09.10 | Arg0naut | @the door |
| 17:09.30 | SpeedEvil | IXian-probe: only the half of the sky towards the top of the phone well. And in many cases this may be only 2-3 sats. |
| 17:09.48 | SpeedEvil | IXian-probe: with it pointed up, you get many more. |
| 17:09.57 | IXian-probe | SpeedEvil: well, then I'l add a note that people should use a cup. Yeah, I know.. it isn't the best solution with the FR flat. Well, I get 10-12 satelites on my rooftop with it flat ;) |
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| 17:14.04 | tonyg | GoldenHawk, nice idea |
| 17:14.12 | IXian-probe | SpeedEvil: but thanks :) |
| 17:14.30 | IXian-probe | SpeedEvil: cup + pointing upwards added :) |
| 17:14.44 | SpeedEvil | IXian-probe: It's just that it's more variable with it horizontal. |
| 17:15.00 | SpeedEvil | It may well work fine - but if we're trying to get themost accurate figures... |
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| 17:15.10 | SpeedEvil | comparable figures I mean |
| 17:16.03 | Chocky | the guy who came to pick up his phone was just a bit toooo excited |
| 17:16.18 | Chocky | all kinds of nutters :o |
| 17:16.30 | GoldenHawk | Someone was overly excited about an openmoko phone? |
| 17:16.34 | Chocky | aye |
| 17:16.37 | IXian-probe | SpeedEvil: np :) |
| 17:16.53 | IXian-probe | Chocky: I can't understand why. ^_^ |
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| 17:17.31 | GoldenHawk | I think it's something worth getting very very excited about. There's lots of computers out there that have architectures that are fully documented and open, but this is the first one with this kind of capability that fits in your palm. |
| 17:17.49 | Chocky | there's excitement, then there are nutters. trust me on this ;-) |
| 17:17.54 | GoldenHawk | Heh okay :p |
| 17:18.10 | IXian-probe | raving.... una kind of mad? ;) |
| 17:18.14 | Chocky | I was "excited" enough to plan the group buy and watch the lists since September, but still ;-) |
| 17:18.35 | Chocky | let's say there's a certain geek element to the people who have been to collect the phones |
| 17:18.37 | IXian-probe | big beard, has a katana, just fought of intelectual property Ninjas? ;) |
| 17:19.02 | Chocky | No, Neal Stephenson doesn't know jack about geekiness |
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| 17:19.30 | Dave | I have returned. |
| 17:19.41 | IXian-probe | screams Run! |
| 17:19.43 | IXian-probe | ;) |
| 17:19.46 | Dave | >:) |
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| 17:21.15 | webar7 | Xaos, saw it used at a tech show once |
| 17:21.23 | webar7 | Xaos, didn't work too well :) |
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| 17:26.37 | webar7 | Chocky, e.g. could something like this: http://www.sureda.org/Portfolio/Electronics/OpenMoko/Accesories/NeoSkin/OpenMoko-NeoSkin-MainFrame001.htm |
| 17:27.02 | webar7 | hous a physical keyboard |
| 17:27.15 | Chocky | <- notta keyboard expert |
| 17:27.27 | webar7 | :) |
| 17:27.51 | webar7 | would be cool if it could ... best of both worlds and all that :) |
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| 17:32.47 | Chocky | people so dumb. "you piad $400 for phone?" Yes, but how much did _your_ phone cost incl $50/month for 2 years? |
| 17:32.50 | Chocky | er, paid |
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| 17:33.57 | mwester | calculates the cost of his openmoko phone: $400 + debug board + hundreds of hours of his labor to make it work * value of mwester's time = some number FAR larger than a barrell full of iphones. |
| 17:34.13 | Stroller | You live in the US, Chocky ? |
| 17:34.16 | Chocky | aye |
| 17:34.23 | nullpuppy | mwester: hehe, sounds about right |
| 17:34.26 | sitwon | Chocky: yea, my cousin was like "dude it's just a phone".. I was like "it's a portable Linux computer with a GSM modem" |
| 17:34.27 | Chocky | yes, but will the barrell of iphones blend? |
| 17:34.38 | Yasumoto | Chocky: you better believe it |
| 17:34.57 | Stroller | Chocky: so what mobile contract are you on? |
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| 17:35.12 | mwester | thinks sitwon's reasoning is closer to the truth as far as value goes |
| 17:35.14 | Chocky | right now, none. will probably get $100 T-Mobile PAYG. |
| 17:35.24 | nullpuppy | yaeh |
| 17:35.28 | Chocky | wife has $40/month with T-mobile, but that's up for renewal |
| 17:35.44 | Stroller | Chocky: the $100 includes a phone? |
| 17:35.57 | Chocky | no, that's 1000 minutes |
| 17:36.39 | Stroller | Because this discussion was done to death on the -community mailing list. And as I understand it, if you want a contract you don't get any discount for bringing your own mobile. |
| 17:36.48 | Chocky | korrect |
| 17:37.02 | Chocky | anyway, the PAYG isn't a contract as such |
| 17:37.15 | Dave | pay-as-you-go plans? |
| 17:37.18 | Chocky | yus. |
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| 17:37.22 | Dave | yeah |
| 17:37.23 | Stroller | No, it's not |
| 17:37.25 | Dave | There is no contract. |
| 17:37.26 | Stroller | That's the poiint |
| 17:37.33 | Dave | :p |
| 17:37.39 | Chocky | didn't I just say that? |
| 17:37.41 | Dave | shows his bucket of prepaid SIMs |
| 17:37.50 | Dave | I like them :D |
| 17:37.53 | Stroller | An iPhone genuinely is "free" if you want that contract |
| 17:37.59 | ernst1 | can i put a bash script into the Appmanager ? |
| 17:38.02 | Chocky | technically there _is_ a contract - there has to be - you're agreeing to certain service, but it's not the typical 2 year thing. |
| 17:38.05 | Stroller | Or discounted or whatever |
| 17:38.33 | Dave | unlock your iphone |
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| 17:41.31 | Stroller | Oooh! This thing is loverly. The plastic of the case is really nice |
| 17:41.32 | Dave | haha that's so hot |
| 17:41.40 | Dave | plastic? case? |
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| 17:41.44 | Dave | What on earth are you talking about :p |
| 17:41.54 | Chocky | Dave loves his nekkid mokos. |
| 17:41.54 | ecraven | mickey|lunch: ping |
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| 17:42.12 | Dave | yas :D |
| 17:42.15 | Dave | ecraven! |
| 17:42.37 | Dave | Chocky, I enjoy doing synchronous distributed updating on my freerunners now that I've built a small little system for it :] |
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| 17:42.53 | Chocky | But imagine a beowulf cluster of them. |
| 17:42.55 | ecraven | what's up Dave? got neod recompiled? |
| 17:42.58 | Stroller | Oooh! |
| 17:43.03 | Dave | although I still laugh because my 0th freerunner is essentually just a local package repository they hit off of to synch :p |
| 17:43.10 | Dave | ecraven, nah sorry |
| 17:43.11 | Stroller | It shows proper Linux boot messages |
| 17:43.13 | Dave | been to busy |
| 17:43.13 | Stroller | ! |
| 17:43.25 | Dave | I have to learn python first :P |
| 17:43.48 | Dave | Chocky, yes, that would indeed be a force to be reckoned with :p |
| 17:43.50 | ecraven | Dave: hehe, i'm trying to get a Scheme implementation running, and replace Python with Scheme! |
| 17:43.51 | Dave | muwahahahaha |
| 17:44.09 | Dave | I've already contemplated how utterly lame it would be to do a proof-of-concept FR RAID setup :P |
| 17:44.15 | Dave | ecraven, gah! |
| 17:44.16 | Dave | haha |
| 17:44.24 | Dave | I have to write a simple client app in py today. :| |
| 17:44.56 | Dave | bribes ecraven to do it for him. |
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| 17:45.14 | ecraven | Dave: i don't know any python ;-p |
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| 17:45.26 | Dave | gah! |
| 17:45.32 | Dave | Well, some help YOU are! :P |
| 17:45.34 | Dave | hah |
| 17:45.46 | Dave | installs perl on ecraven's freerunner. |
| 17:45.48 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: chicken already runs |
| 17:45.58 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: guile ought to compile fine (it is known to work on eabi ARM) |
| 17:46.13 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: now if only OE did not exist and this were just running Debian :-( |
| 17:46.37 | Chocky | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian |
| 17:46.51 | ecraven | unknown_lamer: do you have an ipkg for chicken? |
| 17:47.15 | ecraven | i'd love to get chicken and cairo (and sdl) working, then we can start on some nice gui stuff ;) |
| 17:47.26 | ecraven | Dave: i don't use write-only languages :-p |
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| 17:47.41 | Dave | What!? :P |
| 17:48.00 | Dave | ecraven: ooh nice, more cairo and sdl please! :) |
| 17:48.10 | ecraven | well, first chicken, then the rest |
| 17:48.15 | Dave | unknown_lamer: there is a small movement to do that :) |
| 17:48.22 | Dave | bagawk? |
| 17:49.02 | Stroller | Hmmmn.... using the default image that comes in the box, on the Home screen it continues saying "Registering..." - does that indicate it might not like my SIM? |
| 17:49.17 | Dave | In other news... ROFLCOPTER. |
| 17:49.39 | ecraven | unknown_lamer: i think oe is a better basis, if FSO get their framework done, we can use that, chicken has dbus ;) |
| 17:49.53 | Dave | opkg: fork failed |
| 17:49.55 | Dave | Segmentation fault |
| 17:50.01 | Dave | Wonderful! |
| 17:50.55 | rivalarrival | http://xkcd.com/371/ |
| 17:51.36 | Dave | Isn't that in the topic? |
| 17:51.37 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: someone does |
| 17:51.45 | Dave | Oh, I suppose not. |
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| 17:51.56 | Dave | unknown_lamer: there's already people installing debian on their freerunners. |
| 17:51.59 | Dave | \o/ |
| 17:52.11 | ecraven | unknown_lamer: problem is, i haven't found that someone yet ;( |
| 17:52.13 | unknown_lamer | Dave: yes the issue is that the openmoko software is not packaged for Debian |
| 17:52.17 | Dave | and a small movement, I believe, to create a small stable branch of it to the platform. |
| 17:52.23 | Dave | unknown_lamer: so :D |
| 17:52.33 | unknown_lamer | I'd like to use my phone as a phone :-) |
| 17:52.47 | ecraven | unknown_lamer: build it all in Scheme! |
| 17:52.51 | Dave | hah! |
| 17:52.52 | rivalarrival | unknown_lamer: Can't be done. |
| 17:52.55 | Dave | ecraven: kek |
| 17:52.57 | unknown_lamer | I wonder how much effort would be required to build an opkg alien method |
| 17:53.04 | unknown_lamer | rivalarrival: why not? |
| 17:53.06 | Dave | Not that difficult. |
| 17:53.13 | unknown_lamer | rivalarrival: if it is packaged for OE it can be packaged for anything |
| 17:53.37 | rivalarrival | unknown_lamer: Because everybody is too busy using trying to see what it CAN do. |
| 17:53.51 | unknown_lamer | I have a bit of an internal conflict: effort of opkg alien method vs repackaging OM software for Debian vs making clisp/clc/asdf/lkjdsflkjdsf;jsdf packages for OE |
| 17:53.53 | rivalarrival | and the phone aspect is just not sexy. |
| 17:54.12 | unknown_lamer | the phone aspect is plenty interesting |
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| 17:54.38 | mwester | unknown_lamer: if you rename an ipkg to dpkg, you'll find that it'll install on debian ARM systems. |
| 17:54.50 | Dave | yeah :D |
| 17:54.51 | mwester | at least that's what I've been told... |
| 17:54.59 | Dave | most of the time... |
| 17:55.57 | unknown_lamer | ooo |
| 17:56.04 | unknown_lamer | so what the hell is the point of bitbake |
| 17:56.13 | mwester | To build a distro |
| 17:56.23 | linuxxr | is openembedded a debian clone? |
| 17:56.23 | unknown_lamer | it's like hi here is our crappy underdocumented build system versus a wonderfully documented and tested build system |
| 17:56.28 | unknown_lamer | Debian is fine for building distros ... |
| 17:56.41 | mwester | Debian *is* a distro |
| 17:56.46 | mwester | And bitbake can run on Debian |
| 17:56.48 | unknown_lamer | hcoop runs our own hcoopized-Debian using the tools in Debian for maintaing minor forks |
| 17:56.54 | mwester | but Debian does not build distros |
| 17:56.55 | linuxxr | is openmoko linux a debian clone? |
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| 17:57.06 | mjr | no, rather an openembedded system |
| 17:57.08 | linuxxr | or not? |
| 17:57.35 | unknown_lamer | knowing that ipkg stuff is semi-compatible with dpkg is nice |
| 17:57.37 | mwester | the distro used by OM is "angstrom", which is similar in many ways to debian, because the core devs use and like debian. |
| 17:57.42 | linuxxr | so its not debian? |
| 17:57.46 | mwester | No |
| 17:57.46 | unknown_lamer | I'm guessing there would be horrendous dependency issues but ... maybe not |
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| 17:59.27 | Chocky | horrendous - no, but it can get bad. just think Fedora RPM hell |
| 17:59.40 | Dave | bah |
| 17:59.56 | Chocky | oh, did I mention? Fedora sucks. |
| 18:00.12 | ecraven | hm.. i might even try this, debian has a working chicken for arm |
| 18:00.24 | Chocky | wonders what chicken is |
| 18:00.26 | IXian-probe | real programmers write their own libraries.. with a mechanical switch! Real programmers don't need dependencies! |
| 18:00.30 | IXian-probe | ^_^ |
| 18:00.39 | Chocky | yes, but users need dependencies |
| 18:00.43 | kelvie_work | like openoffice? |
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| 18:00.48 | IXian-probe | bah. Humbug! |
| 18:00.50 | IXian-probe | ;) |
| 18:00.57 | mwester | 1000111110100001111110000001110011110000001111111 <----- a library for IXian-probe |
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| 18:01.55 | Dave | Any idea where the proper place to configure power_on states on boot are located? |
| 18:02.31 | unknown_lamer | the fs.o stuff looks nice ... |
| 18:02.38 | ecraven | fs.o? |
| 18:02.43 | ecraven | ah, FSO |
| 18:02.59 | unknown_lamer | cl-dbus + mcclim + elephant + fs.o -> who needs OE and the other OM stuff ... just package the fs.o daemons and live in a nice Debian and Lisp only worlds |
| 18:02.59 | Dave | I am unsure, and the only catch is the state needs to be set before or as soon as possible when INIT runs. |
| 18:03.13 | Dave | unknown_lamer :D |
| 18:03.23 | unknown_lamer | except grrrrrr sbcl threading on windows was chosen over clisp threading in general |
| 18:03.30 | unknown_lamer | and of course the sbcl student has yet to produce anything |
| 18:03.40 | unknown_lamer | and so that was the dumbest idea ever and a waste of a lispnyc slot |
| 18:03.57 | unknown_lamer | nevermind that supporting threads on Windows is dumb they can just pay $50k for a proprietary Lisp or switch to a real OS |
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| 18:05.18 | Dave | POP goes the freerunner. |
| 18:05.25 | Chocky | POP3? |
| 18:05.43 | ecraven | unknown_lamer: would sbcl run on the neo? |
| 18:06.03 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: nope there is no SBCL ARM backend |
| 18:06.28 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: you pretty much have a choice between ECL, GCL, and clisp |
| 18:06.35 | t_s_o | hmm, reading about stuff like this battery sleeve for the iphone makes me wonder about the ability to extend the freerunner via similar solutions. it seems people are willing to bulk up their phones after all ;) |
| 18:06.41 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: the first two are kind of crap (no asdf or clc support among other things) |
| 18:06.53 | IXian-probe | mwester: ;) |
| 18:07.03 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: the latter works (I have it built on the emulator), but packaging it is ... a PITA and I am lazy |
| 18:07.09 | ecraven | unknown_lamer: i think i'd prefer scheme anyway.. if it only had decent libraries ;-/ |
| 18:07.34 | Dave | battery sleeve? |
| 18:07.37 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: to cross compile the package you have to build a native clisp, build the foreign clisp, stop the build before doing the initial memory image, build the fasls with the native clisp, package them, and then finish the build in the postinst |
| 18:07.38 | Dave | iphone? |
| 18:07.42 | ecraven | unknown_lamer: i'm trying to get debian installed, then i can just use that |
| 18:07.45 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: which naturally requires ... lots of fucking work |
| 18:07.55 | Dave | unknown_lamer: that's unbearably disgusting! |
| 18:08.05 | Dave | just use the fucking phone :P |
| 18:08.07 | ecraven | unknown_lamer: i haven't heard too many good things about clisp |
| 18:08.12 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: the alternative is to get Debian working with a huge image in qemu and then waiting several *weeks* for OE to build on ARM natively ... |
| 18:08.18 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: which is equally painful |
| 18:08.29 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: oh no clisp is wonderful it is very lightweight and plenty fast |
| 18:08.31 | Dave | but less work :P |
| 18:08.32 | Dave | haha |
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| 18:08.59 | unknown_lamer | Dave: I think about the same honestly |
| 18:09.07 | Dave | :\ |
| 18:09.11 | Dave | That's pretty assy. |
| 18:09.21 | unknown_lamer | I'm going to get it packaged eventually |
| 18:09.22 | mwester | brings a bucket and a bar of soap the channel |
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| 18:09.35 | unknown_lamer | I'm blocked right now on gnus taking forever to move 4000 spams to the classifying folder grr |
| 18:09.41 | ecraven | unknown_lamer: i presume there's a debian package for arm clisp? |
| 18:09.46 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: yes |
| 18:09.52 | ecraven | unknown_lamer: multithreaded emacs to the rescue! |
| 18:10.03 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: reimplementation of all of emacs to the rescue! |
| 18:10.10 | mwester | that's what I was gonna suggest -- just have the system boot up into emacs. |
| 18:10.10 | unknown_lamer | let's all use climacs and hermes... |
| 18:10.14 | ecraven | unknown_lamer: if you start, i'll help ;) |
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| 18:10.21 | zouzou | hi all, |
| 18:10.28 | ecraven | emacs is hard to use without a keyboard.. |
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| 18:10.42 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: my idea is kind of like booting into emacs -- pure lisp frontend to the phone |
| 18:10.44 | zouzou | what is the difference between openmoko and limo? |
| 18:10.56 | ecraven | unknown_lamer: i'm thinking pure Scheme :) |
| 18:10.58 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: which is why threading in clisp would be nice -- run one copy of clisp and each app in its own thread |
| 18:11.06 | ecraven | unknown_lamer: but i'd settle for lisp too ;) |
| 18:11.31 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: CL wins for me because mcclim is very nice and ... I know of no Scheme equivalent to Elephant (automagic orthogonal persistence!) |
| 18:12.01 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: and I'd like to make a touchscreen-application-frame and a library for building automagically persistent applications in general |
| 18:12.11 | ecraven | unknown_lamer: i'd like to have something like CLIM in scheme some day.. and i heard about elephant, but never read any details |
| 18:12.19 | ecraven | unknown_lamer: that would be great |
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| 18:16.57 | ecraven | debootstrapping debian now.. does a neo debian setup fit onto 500 mb? |
| 18:17.43 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: unless things have changed greatly you should be able to get a base Debian in 50M or so |
| 18:17.56 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: no X or anything other than the base GNU system, but ... yeah |
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| 18:19.05 | ecraven | unknown_lamer: i need X, or sdl |
| 18:19.17 | ecraven | and i heard framebuffer is *slow* on the neo |
| 18:19.25 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: X is not so big you ought to be able to get a reasonable setup in under 500M |
| 18:19.59 | unknown_lamer | ecraven: as a comparison my entire workstation uses 3G of disk -- with eight years of accumulated cruft and full toolchains for a bunch of languages |
| 18:20.03 | Xaos | Why don't we just put all this creative effort into the SHR and get a really awesome (and functional) PHONE? |
| 18:20.16 | unknown_lamer | because I hate C |
| 18:20.17 | Chocky | Xaos: too sensible |
| 18:20.20 | Chocky | people want to hack |
| 18:20.26 | Dave | hack hack hack |
| 18:20.27 | Xaos | hack on the SHR... |
| 18:20.30 | unknown_lamer | C is not sensible it is probably what has held the platform back for so long |
| 18:20.34 | unknown_lamer | every bit of C must be eliminated |
| 18:20.34 | Dave | unknown_lamer: hater :p |
| 18:20.37 | Chocky | un oh. C rant ;-) |
| 18:20.39 | ecraven | Xaos: i don't like the 2007.2 toolset |
| 18:20.43 | Dave | Death be to you! |
| 18:20.43 | wastrel | what are we replacing C with? |
| 18:20.57 | ecraven | scheme or lisp, of course :) |
| 18:20.59 | Dave | I believe they want Scheme. |
| 18:21.04 | Xaos | ecraven: then hack on the FSO |
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| 18:21.07 | unknown_lamer | a decent language with a GC, closures, etc |
| 18:21.08 | Dave | Which isn't terrible, but retarded. |
| 18:21.08 | Chocky | C++, Objective C, C# |
| 18:21.10 | Xaos | or the ASU... |
| 18:21.23 | Dave | unknown_lamer: so basically, p6 or hs? ;D |
| 18:21.25 | Xaos | or on something that will run on all three |
| 18:22.05 | Xaos | personally, I'll probably be spending some time getting up to speed in python (or maybe attempting to compile FBReader or Gnumeric which I really want on the FR) |
| 18:22.51 | ecraven | Xaos: i'll do that once the fso is a bit further along |
| 18:23.02 | Dave | *hissssssssssssSS* |
| 18:23.18 | wastrel | mmm fbreader that is a must |
| 18:23.27 | Dave | pesky python |
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| 18:24.26 | nuclear_eclipse | likes Python |
| 18:25.13 | Xaos | just starting up in Python...work has been bugging me for a year (plus) to learn it because all our AppDev guys use it... |
| 18:25.22 | Xaos | now I have a REAL reason to learn it ;-) |
| 18:25.36 | nuclear_eclipse | hehe |
| 18:25.52 | Xaos | I've been using FBReader on my Nokia 770 for a while and can't live without it. |
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| 18:27.18 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse teach me python, please. |
| 18:28.02 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 18:28.20 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: http://docs.python.org/tut/tut.html :P |
| 18:28.33 | Dave | I've been reading it for the last ten minutes. |
| 18:28.39 | Dave | It's way too comprehensive. |
| 18:28.46 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 18:28.56 | nuclear_eclipse | it's actually very simple |
| 18:29.01 | webar7 | openmoko phone's "form factor" is very nice ... tough and rugged looking but sleek and sexy ... like angelina jolie :) |
| 18:29.06 | Dave | Well, come on, coming from several similar languages, just a <lang>.diff would be sufficient to get me started. |
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| 18:29.09 | nuclear_eclipse | indenting -> control blocks |
| 18:29.12 | webar7 | oops |
| 18:29.25 | nuclear_eclipse | less punctuation / more readable -> pythonic |
| 18:29.25 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse, I just hope the whitespace analism doesn't drive me insane. |
| 18:29.29 | nuclear_eclipse | and that's it ;) |
| 18:29.29 | Dave | yeah fucking python |
| 18:29.38 | Dave | closer to hs |
| 18:29.51 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: it's actually quite natural once yo get used to it |
| 18:30.13 | Dave | perhaps |
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| 18:30.17 | Dave | Well, the indenting, that is. |
| 18:30.23 | webar7 | Apple has the "iPhone" ... OpenMoko has MokoMojo |
| 18:30.24 | Dave | Plus your editor can do that for you. |
| 18:30.26 | webar7 | :) |
| 18:30.33 | nadio | Sorry if this little of topic, but is there any application for linux to control 3G data cards? |
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| 18:30.43 | Dave | I hope all the function names aren't too retarded. |
| 18:30.51 | nuclear_eclipse | the other nice thing is that just about everything you need for general work is available as a default python module |
| 18:30.54 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse, mostly I always forget to import shit. |
| 18:30.59 | Dave | I'm too used to working with a robust core. :) |
| 18:31.11 | Chocky | Dave: meltdown? |
| 18:31.17 | Dave | haha 'pass' |
| 18:31.21 | Dave | Chocky: EJECT THE CORE!!111 |
| 18:31.22 | kd8ikt | heh dave http://xkcd.com/353/ |
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| 18:31.40 | Dave | kd8ikt, is that your job here? |
| 18:31.47 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 18:32.07 | kd8ikt | gimmie a break i just woke up |
| 18:32.11 | Chocky | sampling medicines? |
| 18:32.16 | Xaos | Dave: check out this tutorial/reference...I'm finding it helpful http://www.ibiblio.org/swaroopch/byteofpython/files/120/byteofpython_120.pdf |
| 18:32.17 | Dave | kd8ikt: lame :P |
| 18:32.19 | nadio | anyone? |
| 18:32.26 | wurp2|semi_away | ~faq |
| 18:32.27 | apt | it has been said that faq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_FAQ |
| 18:32.30 | Xaos | but of course, I already program/script, YMMV |
| 18:32.33 | torito | omg xkcd always gets it right :( |
| 18:32.51 | cb22 | anyone have a freerunner and feel like doing a quick test for me? |
| 18:33.06 | nuclear_eclipse | cb22: depends on what the test is :P |
| 18:33.22 | Chocky | drop from incremental feet until it breaks |
| 18:33.26 | cb22 | nuclear_eclipse: ssh cpu usage |
| 18:33.26 | torito | jajajajaj |
| 18:33.34 | torito | sorry, lol |
| 18:33.44 | Dave | Yeah the best way would just for me to find a simple networking program, and deconstruct it :) |
| 18:33.46 | Chocky | I prefer the jaja, TBH |
| 18:33.50 | Dave | I could speed off from there ;) |
| 18:33.59 | nuclear_eclipse | cb22: don't have access to that right now, sorry, sysadmin locks down my workstation something fierce |
| 18:34.20 | Chocky | you should work somewhere where you design the routers. |
| 18:34.27 | Xaos | You can't talk about XKCD and python without this one: http://xkcd.com/413/ |
| 18:35.49 | Chocky | someone care to speculate what our routers run? |
| 18:36.02 | nuclear_eclipse | beos? :P |
| 18:36.09 | Chocky | bzzt. |
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| 18:36.29 | Dave | eww |
| 18:36.30 | Pinaraf | hi |
| 18:36.35 | doc|work | Stroller: tried the other sim? |
| 18:36.40 | nuclear_eclipse | I'd be impressed if it was something like Monowall/pfSenne :P |
| 18:36.41 | Pinaraf | how can I get the QTopia media player running ? |
| 18:36.45 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse, are parentheses generally optional? |
| 18:36.48 | kd8ikt | mine are openwrt |
| 18:36.52 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: yes |
| 18:36.56 | Dave | oh, good. |
| 18:36.58 | Chocky | openwrt is closer, but not correct |
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| 18:37.03 | Dave | otherwise, I'd stab somebody |
| 18:37.06 | Xaos | dd-wrt |
| 18:37.08 | Dave | I mean, this isn't Lisp, guys! |
| 18:37.10 | Xaos | tomato? |
| 18:37.20 | Chocky | dd-wrt has bad GPL karma. avoid. |
| 18:37.20 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: best practices: http://www.fantascienza.net/leonardo/ar/python_best_practices.html |
| 18:37.29 | kd8ikt | amen Chocky |
| 18:37.44 | Dave | uggh |
| 18:37.49 | Chocky | no, not tomato. that's not much better. openwrt pwns (very similar to OpenMoko OE goodness) but that's not it |
| 18:37.51 | Dave | more evangelist preachings? |
| 18:38.28 | Dave | I think it's funny |
| 18:38.34 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: no, just a list of 'this is better that this' for various randow stuffs that most people new to Python don't 'get' because they think in other languages... |
| 18:38.40 | Dave | Their examples are highly contradictory. |
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| 18:38.44 | Dave | Though thanks :) |
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| 18:38.55 | Chocky | you all lose. It's Debian |
| 18:39.14 | Dave | :D |
| 18:39.19 | Dave | hugs debian |
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| 18:42.53 | *** topic/#openmoko is Buy Freerunner at http://openmoko.com/ , or linked distributors. | Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | Software means it's _NOT_ a stable phone, even for the expert user. This will change as more is developed. | #openmoko-cdevel for community dev efforts | Shipping status updates: http://xkcd.com/281/ | GPS prblem: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP |
| 18:42.57 | wurp2|semi_away | Even FSO has been flaking on me lately, but I'm pretty sure that's because I've been hacking on it |
| 18:42.59 | nomeata | yay, first useful patch produced and filed (https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1606) |
| 18:43.06 | Dave | Howdy, Wurp. |
| 18:43.16 | wurp2|semi_away | Dave: howdy |
| 18:43.33 | wurp2|semi_away | (I like the Python Way of dealing with indention & scope :-) |
| 18:43.34 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: I tend to use a #end to mark the end of functions longer than about 8-12 lines |
| 18:43.51 | Stroller | wurp2|semi_away: basic phone functions work fine with one of the images, don't they? I didn't mention to Skorzen full Linux goodies NOW |
| 18:44.05 | Dave | right |
| 18:44.28 | Skorzen | and which functions are that? phone calling, sms sending/receiving? |
| 18:44.36 | Skorzen | address books and so on |
| 18:44.37 | wurp2|semi_away | Stroller: I think with FSO you get stable phone functionality. But it is VERY basic. No call history, no contact list, no nothing. |
| 18:44.39 | Stroller | Skorzen: yes |
| 18:44.41 | Dave | wurp2, sure it's nice, but it's clearly flimsy. |
| 18:44.45 | doc|work | Stroller: have you tried the newer sim? |
| 18:44.47 | Skorzen | that's good then |
| 18:44.50 | Dave | Everything relies on the programmer being a "good boy" |
| 18:44.53 | Stroller | doc|work: sorry - didn't see your message before |
| 18:44.57 | doc|work | np |
| 18:45.14 | Stroller | doc|work: Arg0naut just notified me of it |
| 18:45.19 | wurp2|semi_away | Dave: regarding indention, I would say other languages rely on the programmer being a good boy. |
| 18:45.20 | doc|work | :) |
| 18:45.53 | Dave | wurp2, pfft. |
| 18:45.56 | Stroller | doc|work: no, I haven't. I stuck the phone onto charge, so I don't want to remove the battery until it's done so. The quick-start says give it a full charge the first time. |
| 18:45.59 | Dave | conformist bastards. :p |
| 18:46.16 | Chocky | conformist communist calamatist bastards |
| 18:46.18 | wurp2|semi_away | Of course, it is true that you miss out on vi brace matching |
| 18:46.19 | doc|work | Dave: long-battery-life-liking-bastards |
| 18:46.31 | doc|work | Stroller: fair enough |
| 18:46.42 | wurp2|semi_away | doc|work: heh. I've gotten used to not plugging in my phone except at night now |
| 18:46.49 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: I see the meaningful indentation as a way for me to be able to better read other people's code, because it still "has to" meet the proper indentation to even parse/function correctly |
| 18:47.01 | doc|work | Dave: it might be his lack of conforming which caused the problem :) |
| 18:47.17 | doc|work | wurp2|semi_away: nice! which build? mine should be arriving tomorrow all things going well. |
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| 18:48.19 | wurp2|semi_away | doc|work: FSO |
| 18:48.24 | doc|work | cool |
| 18:48.25 | wurp2|semi_away | doc|work: Now hacked with some SHR stuff |
| 18:48.31 | doc|work | excellent :) |
| 18:48.32 | Lo-lan-do | Since we obviously have a full house of Pythoners, could anyone help me get the getContactList method working? :-) |
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| 18:48.54 | GoldenHawk | What's FSO mean? |
| 18:48.58 | wurp2|semi_away | Lo-lan-do: I'm not sure that there isn't something wrong with that one |
| 18:48.59 | Chocky | trumped by a royal flush of C programmersw |
| 18:49.01 | wurp2|semi_away | ~FSO |
| 18:49.01 | apt | from memory, fso is the freesmartphone.org software release. It includes the backbone software for the phone hardware (and some other things) and a working dialer, and not much else. |
| 18:49.02 | cb22 | freesmartphone.org |
| 18:49.08 | Dave | Anyhoo, haha |
| 18:49.20 | GoldenHawk | Hm. |
| 18:49.26 | Lo-lan-do | wurp2|semi_away: I couldn't find the syntax for the queries. |
| 18:49.30 | wurp2|semi_away | Lo-lan-do: All the methods I've seen for pulling contacts do it by index, until they get back a terminator |
| 18:49.46 | Lo-lan-do | I either got an empty result or "cannot complete request" :-/ |
| 18:50.13 | Dave | Please hang up and try again? :D |
| 18:50.16 | wurp2|semi_away | Lo-lan-do: Look in the code referred to by http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Sim_Contacts |
| 18:50.22 | nuclear_eclipse | needs to learn dbus soon to start working on FSO apps.... |
| 18:50.36 | wurp2|semi_away | nuclear_eclipse: It's super trivial |
| 18:50.46 | wurp2|semi_away | nuclear_eclipse: Just look at the same stuff I told to Lo-lan-do |
| 18:50.49 | nuclear_eclipse | wurp2|semi_away: have any good guides to it? |
| 18:50.56 | Lo-lan-do | wurp2|semi_away: I enhanced thad script, but I couldn't get a list of existing contacts. |
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| 18:51.42 | Lo-lan-do | wurp2|semi_away: So I ended up with the hack that is http://www.smurfy.de/files/neo/manage-contacts |
| 18:51.50 | Dave | Super trivial? :P |
| 18:51.55 | Dave | hah! |
| 18:51.58 | wurp2|semi_away | Lo-lan-do: Really? That script gets them... |
| 18:52.01 | Dave | challenges wurp2 |
| 18:52.02 | wurp2|semi_away | Lo-lan-do: What was your problem? |
| 18:52.42 | Lo-lan-do | wurp2|semi_away: I want to get the contacts from the eds database, not from the SIM |
| 18:52.51 | wurp2|semi_away | Lo-lan-do: Yeah |
| 18:52.59 | wurp2|semi_away | Lo-lan-do: Oh, wait, sorry |
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| 18:53.19 | wurp2|semi_away | Lo-lan-do: There was another one that fished for them with getContact(1), getContact(2), etc. |
| 18:53.37 | Lo-lan-do | Hmm. I thought that only took uids as a parameter. |
| 18:53.39 | wurp2|semi_away | nuclear_eclipse: No, I just cut & pasted the example stuff & played with it :-) |
| 18:53.46 | wurp2|semi_away | Lo-lan-do: Maybe I'm crazy |
| 18:54.15 | Dave | More usable examples please! :D |
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| 18:54.36 | Lo-lan-do | c=ab.getContact(1) |
| 18:54.36 | Lo-lan-do | ERROR:dbus.connection:Unable to set arguments (1,) according to signature u's': <type 'exceptions.TypeError'>: Expected a string or unicode object |
| 18:55.30 | Dave | Why must every language make up its own intolerable euphemisms for simple data structures or storage procedures. *uggh* |
| 18:55.54 | Dave | beats nuclear_eclipse with a shriveled up snake |
| 18:56.20 | Chocky | because smalltalk already too all the best ones |
| 18:56.22 | Chocky | took |
| 18:56.25 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: what?! |
| 18:57.12 | ecraven | note to self, when bootstrapping debian, delete the package cache *before* copying everything to the neo |
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| 18:57.41 | Lo-lan-do | You're installing Debian on a FR? |
| 18:57.46 | ecraven | yes |
| 18:57.48 | Dave | Maybe just the guy who wrote that was a bit to flamboyant. |
| 18:57.57 | ecraven | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian |
| 18:58.08 | nuclear_eclipse | want Debian on FR!! |
| 18:58.08 | Dave | high-fives ecraven |
| 18:58.21 | Chocky | I did it, with the premade archive. can chroot to it, and updated it, but still need to poke uboot to get it to boot properly |
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| 18:58.52 | summatusmentis | is anyone using FR as a phone? |
| 18:59.04 | nuclear_eclipse | me |
| 18:59.05 | Lo-lan-do | I want whatever has phone + sms + gps, be it Debian or OM2007.2 or FSO or whatever :-) |
| 18:59.19 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian |
| 18:59.26 | nuclear_eclipse | not as my primary phone, but I've made calls with it, and I carry it with me everywhere now |
| 18:59.32 | Chocky | summatusmentis: nope, no one at all |
| 18:59.36 | wurp2|semi_away | Lo-lan-do: crap, I think I was crazy... actually, I think I was remembering a pastebin entry *from you* last night that got copied to me |
| 18:59.39 | ecraven | Chocky: the premade archive is bigger than my 512 mb sd card (still have to get a bigger one) |
| 18:59.53 | Dave | of course! |
| 19:00.00 | Dave | Yeah chocky just ditched the deadwood. |
| 19:00.03 | Chocky | ecraven: yes, but only just. delete the archive debs, delete docs and man pages |
| 19:00.07 | Lo-lan-do | wurp2|semi_away: No matter. My hack works, and I'm prepared to turn a blind eye on it. |
| 19:00.15 | wurp2|semi_away | :-) |
| 19:00.28 | Dave | :P |
| 19:00.36 | Lo-lan-do | (Still ugly if you ask me) |
| 19:00.37 | wurp2|semi_away | I can make dbus calls, no problem... the problem is that I'm not sure what arguments getContacts wants |
| 19:00.40 | Chocky | just that you have to upgrade incrementally, since you can't download all the updates at once |
| 19:00.48 | nomeata | hmm. strange. two days ago, it worked to just copy the address.db from my laptop to the freerunner, but now it does not find the contacts any more. |
| 19:00.49 | Chocky | recommends deborphan too |
| 19:00.57 | ecraven | Chocky: oh, didn't know that! |
| 19:01.02 | Dave | recommends a bigger memorycard |
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| 19:01.22 | Dave | :P |
| 19:01.37 | ecraven | Dave: i don't want to mail-order it, 5 euro + 10 euro for shipment seems ... excessive ;) so i have to wait until i get to a store myself |
| 19:01.48 | Lo-lan-do | wurp2|semi_away: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Org_gnome_evolution_dataserver_AddressBook._org_gnome_evolution_dataserver_addressbook_file_3a_2f_2f_2f_home_2f_root_2f_2e_evolution_2f_addressbook_2f_local_2f_system says it wants a "query" |
| 19:02.33 | Dave | 10E shipping? |
| 19:02.36 | Dave | That's retarded. |
| 19:02.39 | wurp2|semi_away | Lo-lan-do: yeah |
| 19:02.48 | wurp2|semi_away | Lo-lan-do: In fact, now I remember fishing around with that |
| 19:03.01 | Dave | yeah store |
| 19:03.04 | Dave | shop |
| 19:03.04 | Dave | buy |
| 19:03.08 | wurp2|semi_away | Lo-lan-do: The problem is not dbus, the problem is wtf is the query syntax. I suspect it's evolution specific. |
| 19:03.15 | Lo-lan-do | Indeed. |
| 19:03.27 | Dave | what an obscenely long wiki address :P |
| 19:03.34 | wurp2|semi_away | Lo-lan-do: I tried some google searches, to no avail. Of course, I was just playing, I didn't actually care about solving the problem. |
| 19:03.38 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: +1 |
| 19:03.48 | wurp2|semi_away | Dave: Hey, that's my fault |
| 19:04.05 | wurp2|semi_away | I wrote a script to walk the dbus & just cut & pasted it to the wiki |
| 19:04.07 | Dave | :D |
| 19:04.13 | Dave | haha, yeesh |
| 19:04.18 | wurp2|semi_away | Dave: Rather, "heh, that's my fault" |
| 19:04.19 | Dave | THANKS FOR THAT, Wurp. |
| 19:04.28 | Dave | :] |
| 19:04.40 | nomeata | hmm. opkg update && opkg upgrade gets some new patches from the daily feed, and the version number contian some git information. Is there an easy way to see the changes done to these packages? |
| 19:04.46 | Dave | Don't worry, we're not going to vote you off the island for that ;) |
| 19:05.08 | wurp2|semi_away | Dave: yw |
| 19:05.16 | Chocky | if it was Debian, you could look at the /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/changelog :p |
| 19:05.27 | Dave | :P |
| 19:05.49 | Dave | //usr/share/doc/CHOCKY_WUZ_HERE! |
| 19:05.49 | nomeata | Chocky: it it was Debian, I had apt-listchanges installed |
| 19:05.53 | Chocky | heh |
| 19:05.58 | Dave | pretty much :p |
| 19:06.04 | Chocky | Dave: hell yeah! |
| 19:06.11 | Lo-lan-do | finds /sys/class/leds and starts having fun |
| 19:06.18 | Dave | Yeth... |
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| 19:06.23 | Dave | Eeeeeeeeeeexcellllent >:) |
| 19:06.33 | Dave | I made a flashy startup script :p |
| 19:06.35 | SpeedEvil | Lo-lan-do: see if you can find the hidden one that makes the logo glow. |
| 19:06.40 | nuclear_eclipse | wants a silver ring for his FR to look like the 1973 |
| 19:06.42 | Chocky | Dave = cartoon quote madman. |
| 19:06.49 | Dave | Speedevil, oh nice! |
| 19:06.51 | Chocky | one ring to phone them all |
| 19:06.53 | Dave | Chocky, essentially. |
| 19:06.57 | Lo-lan-do | nods at nomeata, brother in Debian-bred reflexes :-) |
| 19:07.02 | Chocky | bet you're going to CominCon |
| 19:07.04 | Dave | Most seem to find it somewhat entertaining :) |
| 19:07.04 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: and in the darkness bind them. |
| 19:07.07 | Chocky | er, ComicCon |
| 19:07.08 | Dave | hah |
| 19:07.21 | Chocky | which means you'd be near here. scary. |
| 19:07.23 | Dave | Speedevil, the logo glows? |
| 19:07.28 | Dave | Chocky, muwahahaha! |
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| 19:07.39 | SpeedEvil | Dave: No. |
| 19:07.43 | Chocky | next week isn't it? |
| 19:07.58 | SpeedEvil | Dave: it projects the openmoko logo onto nearby clouds. |
| 19:08.10 | nuclear_eclipse | SpeedEvil: sweet! |
| 19:08.13 | SpeedEvil | Dave: this does drain the battery though. |
| 19:08.17 | Chocky | holy Neo, Batman! |
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| 19:09.01 | Dave | Like the batsignal!? |
| 19:09.25 | SpeedEvil | Dave: But cooler. |
| 19:09.25 | Dave | holy booting openmokos, batman! |
| 19:09.26 | nuclear_eclipse | yes Dave, that was the joke... |
| 19:09.35 | Dave | Speedevil, we'd need your car battery for that :) |
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| 19:09.41 | Chocky | Batman + Robin = gay |
| 19:09.41 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse, who's joking now! |
| 19:09.43 | Dave | >:) |
| 19:09.45 | doc|work | Dave: before it flickers out and dies with a kernel panic |
| 19:09.47 | nuclear_eclipse | :P |
| 19:10.02 | Dave | Openmoko + Speedevil + Sinister Lair |
| 19:10.08 | Dave | hah |
| 19:10.10 | doc|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.15 | nuclear_eclipse | ~fso |
| 19:10.16 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, fso is the freesmartphone.org software release. It includes the backbone software for the phone hardware (and some other things) and a working dialer, and not much else. |
| 19:10.20 | nuclear_eclipse | :P |
| 19:10.20 | Dave | bbq? |
| 19:10.22 | doc|work | bah *= fso |
| 19:10.25 | nuclear_eclipse | ~bbq |
| 19:10.26 | apt | wtf |
| 19:10.30 | nuclear_eclipse | hah! |
| 19:10.31 | Dave | apt bbqb? |
| 19:10.33 | Chocky | ~lol |
| 19:10.33 | apt | lol is, like, stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 19:10.35 | Dave | aww :p |
| 19:10.43 | Chocky | ~lawl |
| 19:10.44 | apt | rumour has it, lawl is the sound of someone who has been on IRC too much. see also: roffle. |
| 19:10.56 | doc|work | ok, enough bot abuse :) |
| 19:11.01 | Dave | BQS! BQS! |
| 19:11.03 | nuclear_eclipse | abuses apt |
| 19:11.04 | Chocky | ~dance my pretties! |
| 19:11.04 | apt | my pretties!, dance with me! Ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' Elive, stayin' Elive |
| 19:11.05 | Dave | :P |
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| 19:11.11 | Dave | blah |
| 19:11.12 | Chocky | heh, guessed that one |
| 19:11.57 | nuclear_eclipse | ~ftw |
| 19:11.58 | apt | rumour has it, ftw is wtf backwards, or for the win, or for the win |
| 19:12.27 | nuclear_eclipse | someone's doing the repeater? |
| 19:12.39 | Chocky | shows how much I know. I though it was "free the world". i.e, OSS |
| 19:12.52 | Chocky | read too much slashdot |
| 19:12.54 | doc|work | yes, it does |
| 19:13.04 | rivalarrival | ~bofh |
| 19:13.04 | apt | well, bofh is Bastard Operator From Hell - see http://www.theregister.co.uk/odds/bofh/ |
| 19:13.11 | doc|work | ok, enough :) |
| 19:13.20 | Chocky | ah, bofh. year above me at University. |
| 19:13.26 | Chocky | well, guy who wrote it. |
| 19:13.29 | SpeedEvil | ~scratch monkey |
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| 19:14.40 | zash | ~bnfh |
| 19:14.51 | Dave | shush |
| 19:15.45 | nuclear_eclipse | I find it ironic that 'apt' is in #openmoko, but not #debian... :P |
| 19:15.55 | Chocky | I find it apt |
| 19:16.02 | nuclear_eclipse | buh-zing! |
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| 19:17.25 | newb | can anyone tell me about the GPS on Openmoko? |
| 19:17.47 | Lo-lan-do | newb: Doesn't work apart from some lucky guys. |
| 19:17.49 | Chocky | wiki can |
| 19:18.10 | newb | sorry on the Neo Freerunner |
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| 19:18.21 | newb | I am not clear if it's a GPS receiver |
| 19:18.42 | newb | Lo-lan-do: i didn't understand |
| 19:18.47 | gmaxwell | DAMNIT. This AM the UPS shipping on my FR was showing tomorrow... but they decided to try delivering it today. First time UPS has done that to me. |
| 19:20.19 | Lo-lan-do | newb: There is a GPS receiver, however it seems that it's non-functional in a non-negligible fraction of the phones. |
| 19:20.54 | kelvie | mm.. so is there a chance we'll have to send them back to get it fixed? |
| 19:21.00 | newb | Lo-lan-do: oh..... ok that way. and what happens if i receive such a phone? even i'm waiting for UPS to ship mine to me :( |
| 19:21.10 | kelvie | I still haven't gotten my shipping notification :/ |
| 19:21.14 | newb | Lo-lan-do: it's stuck at customs |
| 19:21.19 | Lo-lan-do | I think we're all still waiting for an authoritative statement on that. |
| 19:21.25 | ecraven | Lo-lan-do: i don't think it's non-functional, but rather just doesn't get a fix in an acceptable time |
| 19:21.38 | rivalarrival | newb: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP |
| 19:21.47 | rivalarrival | It's non-functional |
| 19:22.04 | wurp2|semi_away | ecraven: Ainulindale let his try to get a fix for 8 hours, no go |
| 19:22.05 | rivalarrival | in a nearly-negligible number of phones. |
| 19:22.08 | GoldenHawk | The GPS is broken in a bunch of the freerunners?? x.x |
| 19:22.30 | rivalarrival | GoldenHawk: Not many, it seems, but yes. |
| 19:22.35 | GoldenHawk | Yuck. |
| 19:22.42 | ecraven | wurp2|semi_away: hm.. not good, i tried for 30 minutes or so, no luck |
| 19:22.51 | ecraven | maybe it works under debian ;) |
| 19:22.56 | wurp2|semi_away | heh |
| 19:23.03 | GoldenHawk | How do you determine if you have a phone with a faulty GPS? It just doesn't work at all? |
| 19:23.07 | wurp2|semi_away | He actually got data out of his, which apparently he never had before, today |
| 19:23.34 | rivalarrival | If debian comes with a "Solder pin" package and a "smash connector with tweezers" update. |
| 19:23.37 | nomeata | Lo-lan-do: thx for the tipp with http://www.smurfy.de/files/neo/manage-contacts, works great here |
| 19:24.21 | ecraven | i get data out of mine, just no fix |
| 19:24.46 | rivalarrival | GoldenHawk: It never gets a fix - the intermittent antenna connection doesn't allow it to get a good fix. |
| 19:25.24 | GoldenHawk | Thanks, rivalarrival. I'll check for it once I get my shipment from Koolu. |
| 19:25.31 | Chocky | right, off to bank to deposit $1600 in $20 notes :o |
| 19:25.35 | nomeata | strange, for my sent SMS, messages2 gives my home zone number as the sender, instead of displaying the receiver. and for some, it shows them as received. I wonder where it gets the idea of âmy numberâ from. |
| 19:26.30 | rivalarrival | GoldenHawk: Yeah, me too... My shipment is en route from Sunnyvale CA. |
| 19:26.41 | ecraven | rivalarrival: is that fixable by soldering? |
| 19:26.42 | Dave | heh |
| 19:26.55 | rivalarrival | ecraven: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP |
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| 19:27.33 | rivalarrival | I've heard mostly good reports about the fix, but at least one person has said it didn't work. |
| 19:27.37 | Lo-lan-do | rivalarrival: That page could be expanded. I'm not sure I understand what it says. |
| 19:27.53 | rivalarrival | I didn't write it, I'm just repeating it. |
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| 19:28.11 | Lo-lan-do | I didn't say you did, but since you seem to understand it... |
| 19:28.40 | rivalarrival | Lo-lan-do: The top pictures are the antenna connection on the circuit board. |
| 19:29.03 | rivalarrival | There appear to be three solder pads - two for the ground pad, and one for the pin. |
| 19:29.24 | rivalarrival | resoldering the pin connection to the board is the first part of the fix. |
| 19:30.15 | rivalarrival | the second part is just reshaping the antenna's connector so it fits tightly on the connection on the board. |
| 19:30.17 | ecraven | rivalarrival: thanks for the link! |
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| 19:30.28 | rivalarrival | I do what i can. :-) |
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| 19:41.28 | ecraven | do i understand correctly that the gps antenna is not soldered onto the board, but only "stuck" onto the connector? |
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| 19:44.20 | Dave | ecraven, I believe it was poorly soldered, that is my understanding. |
| 19:44.29 | Dave | shrugs |
| 19:44.45 | Dave | Anyhoo, this python immersion is @_@ |
| 19:45.13 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: be sure to get plenty of fluids until you are done having your mind blown by the awesomeness of Python :P |
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| 19:45.43 | |Marco| | how can i make neod release event2/3 so I can poll data from them ? |
| 19:46.48 | Lo-lan-do | Just in case I make up my mind and decide to do the hardware fix: what's the size of the screwdriver I need? |
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| 19:47.57 | nomeata | is there already an UI for muting the phone? |
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| 19:48.24 | nuclear_eclipse | nomeata: not that I have found... |
| 19:48.49 | Lo-lan-do | nomeata: No need. Leave it alone for five minutes, it'll freeze and won't disturb you. >:-] |
| 19:48.58 | nomeata | Lo-lan-do: ;-) |
| 19:48.59 | dantalizing_work | which mixer item do i change to make th phone ear speaker louder? |
| 19:50.47 | mmontour | Lo-lan-do: I think it's a Torx T6 |
| 19:50.54 | trix | i hope my freerunner arriving tomorrow is free of gps defects |
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| 19:51.23 | Lo-lan-do | mmontour: Thanks. |
| 19:51.27 | Hydrant | hey all, cant get wireless to work with my |
| 19:51.31 | Hydrant | FR |
| 19:51.58 | Hydrant | im tryung to use wpa2 |
| 19:52.06 | Dave | ah |
| 19:52.42 | mwester | oh |
| 19:52.46 | nuclear_eclipse | Hydrant: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan |
| 19:52.55 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse, you wouldn't happen to have a nice small application I could use as a foundation, would you? Say, a small networking app? |
| 19:53.04 | |Marco| | trix: if it's gta Bv6 then it's gps-bug-free |
| 19:53.08 | Dave | simple client app, for example :P |
| 19:53.13 | rivalarrival | Lo-lan-do: The screwdriver is a torx head, not sure of the size. Home Depot, Lowes, most hardware stores have them cheapest, electronics stores often carry them as well. |
| 19:53.16 | |Marco| | I've got Bv5 and it's got that bugg |
| 19:53.16 | nuclear_eclipse | Hydrant: software for setting up wirelessis not really available yet =\ |
| 19:53.24 | Hydrant | I've tried that wiki page, something is messed |
| 19:53.42 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: never done anything over a network yet |
| 19:53.44 | Hydrant | is there a better distro to through on or no ? |
| 19:53.45 | trix | Marco is the Bv6 what's been shipping since july 7? |
| 19:53.50 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse =[ |
| 19:53.56 | Dave | bah |
| 19:54.00 | Lo-lan-do | |Marco|: How does one know? |
| 19:54.08 | LionKMP | what bug? |
| 19:54.14 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: all my networking 'experience' has been in Java or PHP =\ |
| 19:54.44 | nuclear_eclipse | Hydrant: I don't think any of the available distros really do very well for wifi yet |
| 19:54.58 | nuclear_eclipse | it's definitely a WIP |
| 19:55.17 | Dave | EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW |
| 19:55.25 | Dave | Does Python have pcre support? |
| 19:55.43 | Hydrant | I really just want to put some sofware on there, maybe a better way? |
| 19:55.45 | nuclear_eclipse | not specifically PCRE, but the 're' module is pretty close |
| 19:55.52 | Dave | :| |
| 19:56.06 | Dave | hrm, alright, I guess I'll take a look later |
| 19:56.13 | Dave | I hope I am not sorrowly disappointed :) |
| 19:56.14 | nuclear_eclipse | Hydrant: you might want to try Qtopia and/ar ASU, but I find the standard OM2007.2 stack the 'best' right now |
| 19:56.57 | Hydrant | is there a way to download packages for it ? I have USB networking the one way but I don't have iptables on my eee pc |
| 19:57.15 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: regex isn't as natural in Python as it is in Perl, but once you get the hang of it, it's as good if not better than most languages (besides Perl of course) |
| 19:57.58 | Dave | What is the <> operator in py? |
| 19:58.00 | nuclear_eclipse | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner tells you how to flash the Neo from your linux PC |
| 19:58.10 | zash | Dave: read a line i think |
| 19:58.20 | Dave | when used in a conditional? |
| 19:58.22 | Lo-lan-do | Dave: sys.stdin.readline() |
| 19:58.32 | Dave | oh, alright |
| 19:58.38 | Hydrant | that flashes it but I want to install say the GPS and such, don |
| 19:58.44 | zash | Dave: and goes in $_ |
| 19:58.48 | Dave | I guess syntactically it operates as a lho stor |
| 19:58.48 | Hydrant | don't I have to do that from opkg |
| 19:58.48 | zash | i think ... |
| 19:58.51 | Dave | ahaha |
| 19:58.53 | Dave | okay :P |
| 19:58.57 | Dave | sounds familiar ;) |
| 19:59.18 | nuclear_eclipse | Hydrant: if you haven't yet flashed your Neo, grab the latest om2007.2 image from the site and flash that, it's much better |
| 19:59.24 | Dave | it just compacts it acting as = and == in conditional form I guess |
| 20:00.01 | Hydrant | k |
| 20:00.09 | LionKMP | nuclear_eclipse: which one? 2008-04-21? |
| 20:00.11 | nuclear_eclipse | Hydrant: and then from there, if you ssh into your Neo, you can use opkg to update/upgrade and install new packages |
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| 20:00.30 | Hydrant | apr 2008? |
| 20:00.39 | nuclear_eclipse | get a newer one |
| 20:00.55 | nuclear_eclipse | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images |
| 20:01.08 | Lo-lan-do | nuclear_eclipse: Don't you get to the same point when just upgrading from what was initially flashed? |
| 20:01.13 | Dave | Are there any decent abstractions for socket operations? :P |
| 20:01.22 | Stroller | nuclear_eclipse: so the factory image is ASU, right? |
| 20:01.28 | nuclear_eclipse | Lo-lan-do: except without flashing, you miss out on the kernel updates |
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| 20:01.32 | nuclear_eclipse | Stroller: no |
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| 20:01.40 | Dave | It's an april version of the GTK image. |
| 20:01.46 | Lo-lan-do | nuclear_eclipse: Er, I got a kernel update just today with an opkg upgrade |
| 20:01.59 | Stroller | Dave: what? the factory image? |
| 20:02.00 | Hydrant | i thought fr was going qtopia |
| 20:02.09 | Dave | Yes. |
| 20:02.14 | nuclear_eclipse | Lo-lan-do: that doesn't updtae the kernel in the Flash ROM though, unless I'm wrong |
| 20:02.19 | wurp2|semi_away | ~ASU |
| 20:02.20 | apt | [asu] the April Software Update, an release name for a OpenMoko distribution. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan. |
| 20:02.21 | Hydrant | what's the best latest image? |
| 20:02.23 | Stroller | Dave: TY |
| 20:02.31 | Dave | :) |
| 20:02.45 | Lo-lan-do | nuclear_eclipse: I think it does. At least, there was one step conspicuously marked as "DON'T INTERRUPT" |
| 20:02.50 | Dave | wurp, are you a python whore? :) |
| 20:02.52 | nuclear_eclipse | Lo-lan-do: ah, ok |
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| 20:03.14 | Stroller | wurp2|semi_away: don't do that! I know what ASU stands for. And I understand why there are so many. But the multitude is very confusing. |
| 20:03.34 | wurp2|semi_away | Stroller: I thought I was doing it for Hydrant |
| 20:03.47 | wurp2|semi_away | To point out that ASU uses Qtopia for phone functionality |
| 20:03.53 | Stroller | wurp2|semi_away: Ah! OK, sorry |
| 20:03.55 | Lo-lan-do | And uname -a says the kernel has been built on Jul 14, 2008, so I'm inclined to believe it's been upgraded. |
| 20:03.59 | wurp2|semi_away | But it didn't work. NP :-) |
| 20:04.03 | Ko_deZ | rivalarrival: The reason for the GPS being so unstable on my FR is because of bad connection, or so it seems? Both my freerunners are having issues getting gps sync. |
| 20:04.04 | nuclear_eclipse | Lo-lan-do: good deal |
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| 20:04.31 | wurp2|semi_away | Dave: I am a Java whore. |
| 20:04.33 | nuclear_eclipse | I kind of assumed it wouldn't flash a kernel in-place that was already running.... |
| 20:04.35 | wurp2|semi_away | Dave: I am a Python slut. |
| 20:04.42 | Dave | hah! |
| 20:04.45 | Dave | I see... |
| 20:04.48 | nuclear_eclipse | there is a difference! |
| 20:05.18 | rivalarrival | Ko_deZ: That's the theory... check the topic for the link |
| 20:05.33 | Dave | Then you wouldn't happen to know of a good python module for object [de]serialization over simple socket operations? |
| 20:05.37 | wurp2|semi_away | nuclear_eclipse: I am a Java contractor. |
| 20:05.44 | wurp2|semi_away | But I do python for free :-) |
| 20:05.48 | Hydrant | i guess i'll try qtopia |
| 20:05.49 | nuclear_eclipse | figured :P |
| 20:05.50 | Ko_deZ | rivalarrival: Sometimes they get sync right away, and sometimes not. Mostly, I have gotten sync after touching or moving the device. I guess that is an indication to point in the direction of less than ideal contact. |
| 20:05.57 | Lo-lan-do | Hmm. How do I switch the tap "keyboard" back to normal? |
| 20:05.58 | wurp2|semi_away | Dave: pickle? |
| 20:06.02 | balrog-kun | nuclear_eclipse: you mean without a reboot? |
| 20:06.09 | Ko_deZ | rivalarrival: I got the link from looking at the history here =) |
| 20:06.14 | nuclear_eclipse | yes |
| 20:06.22 | balrog-kun | nuclear_eclipse: something must be wrong then :p |
| 20:06.24 | Lo-lan-do | I somehow locked it so the key 0 now displays }, and 789 give {[] |
| 20:06.47 | balrog-kun | nuclear_eclipse: your assumption was right, it can't upgrade a running kernel |
| 20:06.49 | Lo-lan-do | (Got to that state by keeping the 0 clicked for a second or so) |
| 20:07.13 | Dave | haha cpickle over network? :P |
| 20:07.21 | mmontour | |Marco|: where did you get the information about the GPS bug being related to the v5 or v6 revisions? |
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| 20:13.58 | |Marco| | mmontour: a friend that told me |
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| 20:14.16 | |Marco| | the person that had arranged the batch order I got mine from |
| 20:14.25 | Lo-lan-do | And how does one know whether ont has a v5 or v6? |
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| 20:14.40 | |Marco| | hum.. |
| 20:14.47 | nuclear_eclipse | Lo-lan-do: you have a v5 :P |
| 20:14.53 | Lo-lan-do | (Apart from "GPS seems broken") |
| 20:14.53 | Ko_deZ | Lo-lan-do: You should find it by cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:15.02 | Lo-lan-do | Revision: 0350 |
| 20:15.11 | Ko_deZ | Lo-lan-do: then it is a v5 |
| 20:15.16 | nuclear_eclipse | pretty much, everybody but factory testers got v5 |
| 20:15.33 | mmontour | Interesting. I didn't see any GPS-related changes on the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware page |
| 20:15.34 | Lo-lan-do | And the one on a hill under an apple tree, apparently. |
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| 20:15.42 | Ko_deZ | Lo-lan-do: v6 has revision 360 i believe. |
| 20:15.48 | donomo | the UPS man just delivered my freerunner. |
| 20:15.56 | nuclear_eclipse | party! |
| 20:16.08 | quickdev | hrr :) |
| 20:16.11 | |Marco| | Ko_deZ: yeah, I guess that's right since mine is 0350 |
| 20:16.58 | Lo-lan-do | Blargh |
| 20:17.02 | Arg0naut | donomo: still waiting on my ups man to deliver my freruner |
| 20:17.15 | Ko_deZ | |Marco|: I got it from the wiki hardware page that mmontour linked to =) |
| 20:17.32 | donomo | im sooo excited. |
| 20:17.58 | donomo | excited to know whether or not it'll even turn on and then whether or not it will make/take calls. |
| 20:18.13 | sitwon | donomo: wether or not the GPS works... |
| 20:19.02 | |Marco| | Ko_deZ: ah, okidoki :) |
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| 20:21.21 | Lo-lan-do | Erm, so the v5 has only one accelerometer too? |
| 20:21.41 | Lo-lan-do | Or do I misinterpret that page? |
| 20:21.44 | ecraven | no, one at the top, one at the bottom |
| 20:22.12 | Dave | Hmm... python-netclient? o.O |
| 20:22.33 | Lo-lan-do | The "GTA02 A5 to A6 changes" section mentions that they are both connected to the same line, which more or less turns them both into just one, right? |
| 20:22.57 | nuclear_eclipse | Lo-lan-do: it's still two, but with a total of six separate axes |
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| 20:23.20 | nuclear_eclipse | and because they are off-angle to each other, they can share a bus, etc |
| 20:23.40 | Lo-lan-do | Ah. Good, I guess. |
| 20:23.42 | nuclear_eclipse | I'm sure there's a more 'technical' explanation, but I'm not a systems engineer :P |
| 20:24.20 | nuclear_eclipse | they actually show up as two separate 'events' though |
| 20:24.32 | nuclear_eclipse | /dev/event2 and /dev/event3, iirc |
| 20:24.57 | donomo | suprizing lack of directions. |
| 20:25.06 | donomo | the battery is seperate and no notes on how to open the case |
| 20:25.35 | nuclear_eclipse | donomo: see the Getting Started page on the wiki |
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| 20:25.42 | fuzzyt | do they come with the minisd cards? |
| 20:25.44 | nuclear_eclipse | the link is on the green piece of paper ;) |
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| 20:25.53 | nuclear_eclipse | fuzzyt: yes, and it's WicroSD |
| 20:26.01 | nuclear_eclipse | s/WicroSD/MicroSD/ |
| 20:26.06 | |Marco| | nuclear_eclipse: the problem with them is that they alternate between data coming event2 and 3 |
| 20:26.09 | donomo | nuclear_eclipse: haha. i didnt read the whole piece of paper |
| 20:26.54 | donomo | the pen/stylus has a laser pointer. lols |
| 20:26.54 | |Marco| | and right now, neod is using both for somthing and I can't figure out where to poll data for my test app |
| 20:27.36 | nuclear_eclipse | |Marco|: I think just about everyone here has a violent disregard for neod.... :P |
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| 20:28.22 | |Marco| | nuclear_eclipse: well, I'd like to know what it specifically does before I kill it |
| 20:28.48 | nuclear_eclipse | |Marco|: I think it does just about "everything" to control your Neo's hardware :P |
| 20:29.01 | |Marco| | argh11 |
| 20:29.06 | nuclear_eclipse | but I'm not sure, so please take that with a shaker of salt |
| 20:29.13 | |Marco| | nah :D |
| 20:29.37 | nuclear_eclipse | I was suprised one day to find neod in the matchbox tasklist :P |
| 20:29.54 | Chocky | it's a virus |
| 20:30.10 | nuclear_eclipse | and I thought Linux was immune! aaaggghhhH!!!! |
| 20:30.21 | bkruse | ./lawlhax.bin |
| 20:30.25 | nuclear_eclipse | panics |
| 20:30.35 | donomo | fuzzyt: http://flickr.com/photos/donpdonp/2669086548/ |
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| 20:30.41 | bkruse | Makes you think when you download bin files from nvidia from drivers :X |
| 20:30.42 | Lo-lan-do | So is there any app that can display the accelerometers data? |
| 20:30.43 | Chocky | watches your backtrace scroll by |
| 20:31.02 | fuzzyt | Thanks! |
| 20:31.03 | Lo-lan-do | (Even a text-mode app would be fine, I just want the numbers to move when I shake the FR) |
| 20:31.16 | nuclear_eclipse | Lo-lan-do: agreed |
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| 20:31.54 | LionKMP | there is one in the works in the google summer thing afaik |
| 20:32.34 | sitwon | can't you just cat the /dev/input/event* nodes? |
| 20:32.37 | LionKMP | http://www.borza.ro/index.php/category/accelerometer-based-gestures/ |
| 20:32.43 | LionKMP | Lo-lan-do: ^ |
| 20:33.06 | LionKMP | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_code#Accelerometer-based_Gestures |
| 20:33.07 | jOERG_rw | ehm, 'while read /dev/g-megter do; clear; echo $@; done ?????????? |
| 20:33.30 | DocCod | Lo-lan-do: try http://folks.o-hand.com/thomas/openmoko/gta02.py |
| 20:33.46 | DocCod | Lo-lan-do: Is even GUI based and let's you test the LEDs as well :) |
| 20:34.04 | Fossi | cat /dev/event5 | od? |
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| 20:34.21 | Chocky | jOERG_rw: your ? key is stuck |
| 20:34.24 | |Marco| | DocCod: that's the one I'm mod'ing |
| 20:34.42 | DocCod | To do what? |
| 20:34.55 | Fossi | ??? |
| 20:34.58 | Fossi | profit! |
| 20:35.09 | Chocky | touche |
| 20:35.44 | ecraven | yay, my debian fr works so far |
| 20:35.48 | Lo-lan-do | Gah, freeze |
| 20:36.11 | Chocky | ecraven: what were the runes for uboot? |
| 20:36.14 | nuclear_eclipse | ecraven: how well does it perform? and is there a GSM app that you use, or is it just now a PDA basically? |
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| 20:36.27 | Dave | Twisted, eh? |
| 20:36.33 | Chocky | sister |
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| 20:36.43 | nuclear_eclipse | We're not gonna take it! |
| 20:36.56 | Chocky | takes it |
| 20:37.00 | jOERG_rw | Chocky: how did you notice??????????? ;-) |
| 20:37.01 | nuclear_eclipse | :( |
| 20:37.09 | TAsnn | this is cool that everyone has the FR now and people are deving with all their strength ;0 |
| 20:37.34 | Chocky | deving? more like pissing about ;-) at least for me. |
| 20:38.00 | kelvie_work | heh.. this reminds me of when kde 4.0 came out |
| 20:38.19 | Dave | JOERG. |
| 20:38.29 | Chocky | no, KDE is not useful. this is. |
| 20:38.31 | jOERG_rw | Dave: nice to see ya :-) |
| 20:38.32 | Chocky | KDE 4. |
| 20:38.35 | Dave | :) |
| 20:38.36 | Chocky | I have it on my laptop |
| 20:38.39 | Chocky | it's grim. |
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| 20:38.45 | Chocky | nothing works properly |
| 20:38.49 | kelvie_work | I use it right now.. at work |
| 20:38.52 | Elleo | the people fiddling with Debian on their FR might find titchy interesting (http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux) |
| 20:38.55 | kelvie_work | or rather.. I use one of the recent 4.1 betas |
| 20:38.58 | nuclear_eclipse | hears good things about KDE 4.1 |
| 20:38.59 | Chocky | using KDE 3.x here |
| 20:39.10 | kelvie_work | I run the latest svn at home though |
| 20:39.16 | Elleo | I ran it quite happily on my universal for a while and it does phone based stuff fairly nicely |
| 20:39.17 | ecraven | nuclear_eclipse: at the moment it's a brick :) i can ssh into it, but it doesn't even have X yet |
| 20:39.27 | nuclear_eclipse | lol, nice |
| 20:39.50 | nuclear_eclipse | but you're booting it from SD, right? |
| 20:39.52 | Chocky | was almost going to get an HTC universal since FR was going to take so long. |
| 20:39.59 | ecraven | Chocky: setenv menu_2 Boot from microSD (FAT+ext3): setenv bootargs \${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 init=/sbin/init.sysvinit rootdelay=5 \${mtdparts} ro\; mmcinit\; fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 \${sd_image_name}\; bootm 0x32000000 |
| 20:40.07 | Chocky | since it has full linux and keyboard |
| 20:40.09 | ecraven | Chocky: create a fat and an ext3 partition on the sd card |
| 20:40.14 | Chocky | bit big for a fone tho |
| 20:40.14 | Elleo | Chocky: the universal is a very nice phone, but a bit delicate unfortunately |
| 20:40.23 | Chocky | ah rite, boot from FAT. |
| 20:40.27 | Chocky | should have partitioned like that |
| 20:40.30 | ecraven | unfortunately, yes |
| 20:40.37 | Chocky | I can fix that at home. |
| 20:40.39 | ecraven | it seems uboot can't read the kernel from ext2/ext3 |
| 20:40.47 | Chocky | copy it all off, cfdisk, copy back on |
| 20:41.06 | nuclear_eclipse | or just use (g)parted |
| 20:41.10 | Chocky | the alternative is to have uboot use kernel in flash. that'll work ok. but I dunno how to change that |
| 20:41.15 | donomo | its okay to turn on the freerunner right away once its connected to the power outlet, right? |
| 20:41.17 | Chocky | the command line that is, not the kernel in flash |
| 20:41.25 | Lo-lan-do | |Marco|: Yay, nice script :-) |
| 20:41.37 | Chocky | donomo: yes, just leave for full charge first time |
| 20:41.42 | nomeata | is it possible to use bitbake with the Toolchain? (as in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain) |
| 20:41.45 | Dave | So what exactly is python-netclient? |
| 20:42.05 | mmontour | ecraven: see http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/799 (the uboot ext2/ext3 bug) |
| 20:42.27 | Dave | mmontour, oh, that one :( |
| 20:42.32 | Dave | yeah, stinky |
| 20:42.36 | Lo-lan-do | Bah, frozen again. |
| 20:43.53 | linuxxr | san pablo free my device |
| 20:44.10 | cjb | haha, likewise |
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| 20:44.15 | cjb | mine says expected delivery tomorrow |
| 20:44.19 | cjb | but it's in san pablo |
| 20:44.21 | cjb | and I'm in Boston |
| 20:44.26 | linuxxr | it not gonna make |
| 20:44.28 | linuxxr | it |
| 20:44.32 | cjb | so I think maybe it's not actually in san pablo |
| 20:44.32 | Chocky | it's not gonna take it |
| 20:44.39 | linuxxr | prolly |
| 20:44.45 | mmontour | Dave: there's a workaround for bug 799 in the OE tree, but it seems that it didn't make it into Openmoko's u-boot git tree |
| 20:45.26 | ecraven | mmontour: someone told me it's been fixed several times, but has regressed, unfortunately |
| 20:46.36 | mmontour | http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=blob;f=packages/u-boot/files/fix-data-abort-from-sd-ombug799.patch;h=98b84430addde31a95bb6729de96a5231d9d2502;hb=org.openmoko.dev |
| 20:47.50 | Dave | ecraven: that's terrible! |
| 20:47.54 | Dave | grr |
| 20:48.39 | mmontour | ecraven: It was probably me that said that. When I have time I'll re-submit that patch to the openmoko-kernel list. |
| 20:49.13 | Lo-lan-do | ~OE |
| 20:49.14 | apt | [oe] OpenEmbedded (see http://www.openembedded.org ), or "Opportunistic Encryption" (see http://www.wavesec.org ), or an email client which is not to be spoken of. |
| 20:49.18 | Fossi | nobody packaged up minimo yet? |
| 20:49.22 | ecraven | ah, if only the internet connection were better here ;( 1h to download xorg |
| 20:49.38 | Chocky | someone did last week. see the list |
| 20:49.40 | Lo-lan-do | â sleep |
| 20:49.51 | Fossi | hmmm. mailinglists :\ |
| 20:50.00 | Fossi | but thanks for the hint |
| 20:50.00 | Chocky | knows :| |
| 20:50.05 | mmontour | At one point it seemed like u-boot was a dead-end and would be replaced by a minimal routine that would bootstrap a Linux kernel, but I haven't seen much progress on that lately |
| 20:50.16 | Chocky | u-boot is too useful |
| 20:50.29 | Chocky | and isn't a pig like grub |
| 20:50.37 | Chocky | or, shock, lilo ;-) |
| 20:50.44 | Fossi | Chocky: which of the 10? |
| 20:50.47 | nuclear_eclipse | recoils in horror |
| 20:50.50 | mmontour | The kernel (kboot or something) would be able to do everything that u-boot currently does plus a bunch of other stuff, in theory. |
| 20:50.59 | Chocky | 10 what? versions of u-boot |
| 20:51.07 | Fossi | Chocky: mailinglists |
| 20:51.08 | Dave | haha |
| 20:51.09 | Chocky | mmontour: hum. suppose. |
| 20:51.12 | Chocky | community |
| 20:51.23 | Chocky | Dave: whatever you're laughing at, I agree |
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| 20:52.15 | mmontour | u-boot sucks because you have to write a custom driver for everything (e.g. a different one for SD or SDHC cards), whereas with Linux you can use the same driver for your bootloader and for your main kernel |
| 20:52.41 | Chocky | troo. |
| 20:53.04 | mmontour | However u-boot does have other advantages so I'm not personally conviced that replacing it is the best strategy |
| 20:53.28 | ecraven | hm.. my debian does not have /dev/ttySAC1, do i just have to create the device? or should udev do that? |
| 20:53.44 | Fossi | Chocky: thanks, found it |
| 20:53.54 | GoldenHawk | Linux has a boot loader? Rad. |
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| 20:54.31 | ecraven | could anyone tell me what major/minor numbers /dev/ttySAC1 has? |
| 20:55.23 | ecraven | mknod ttySAC1 c 204 65 works |
| 20:57.03 | nomeata | Lo-lan-do: frozen due to suspend, or otherwise? |
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| 20:57.14 | nomeata | âs freerunner has been pretty stable lately |
| 20:57.16 | Lo-lan-do | Nope, just frozen. |
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| 20:57.32 | nuclear_eclipse | Lo-lan-do: can you ssh in? |
| 20:57.54 | nuclear_eclipse | if you can, kill and restart X11 |
| 20:58.06 | Lo-lan-do | I rebooted it already. |
| 20:58.10 | nuclear_eclipse | ah |
| 20:58.18 | nuclear_eclipse | well, for the next time then :P |
| 20:58.23 | Lo-lan-do | Sure. |
| 20:58.41 | nuclear_eclipse | here's to hoping there *isn't* a next time ;) |
| 20:59.20 | Lo-lan-do | Yeah, right. |
| 20:59.26 | Lo-lan-do | I'm not holding my breath :-) |
| 20:59.38 | Lo-lan-do | â sleep, really |
| 21:00.12 | nomeata | hopes heâll wake up again |
| 21:01.21 | SpeedEvil | Inside the iphone. |
| 21:01.23 | SpeedEvil | http://www.techonline.com/product/underthehood/209000013;jsessionid=UQG1MGKBTTSWGQSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVN |
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| 21:01.57 | nuclear_eclipse | SpeedEvil: someone broke it and posted pics? |
| 21:02.10 | ecraven | what is /dev/ttySAC2 ?? |
| 21:02.11 | SpeedEvil | No, this is a professional teardown. |
| 21:02.15 | nuclear_eclipse | :( |
| 21:02.26 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: the third serial device. |
| 21:02.30 | nuclear_eclipse | I wanted to see pics of broken iphones... |
| 21:02.35 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: I don't think it's actually used |
| 21:02.50 | mmontour | nuclear_eclipse: I've seen a video of a blended one. |
| 21:02.55 | SpeedEvil | echarp: it's the flow-control on the GPS |
| 21:02.56 | nuclear_eclipse | nice :) |
| 21:03.06 | ecraven | SpeedEvil: 0 is gsm, 1 is gps, right? |
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| 21:03.43 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 21:04.41 | ecraven | how can i manually use the phone? ATDT34325? and set the correct values for the mixer? |
| 21:05.56 | SpeedEvil | alsamixer |
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| 21:06.51 | ecraven | but that should be all? so i could "easily" implement my own dialler? |
| 21:08.31 | Dave | :o |
| 21:08.34 | SpeedEvil | Yes |
| 21:08.41 | SpeedEvil | cu -l /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 21:08.46 | SpeedEvil | then atd... |
| 21:08.48 | SpeedEvil | will work |
| 21:08.51 | jOERG_rw | Dave: PC locked up :-/ |
| 21:08.58 | SpeedEvil | (but CU is not on modern images) |
| 21:08.59 | ecraven | very cool ;) |
| 21:09.04 | jOERG_rw | sorry if I missed anything |
| 21:09.29 | Dave | uh oh |
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| 21:09.35 | Dave | Yeah, nothing important :] |
| 21:09.40 | Dave | Just more openmoko woes. |
| 21:09.52 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.02 | Dave | o_O |
| 21:11.55 | nomeata | supposedly my voice is very low on the other side |
| 21:12.12 | nomeata | can I turn that up somehow? |
| 21:13.00 | mmontour | nomeata: Yes, but that may make other audio problems worse. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality |
| 21:13.21 | mmontour | In the mixer, 'Mic2' is one of the controls that you can turn up |
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| 21:15.27 | ecraven | hm.. why do i get cu: /dev/ttySAC0: Line in use? i've run "dmesg -n1", and /dev/ttySAC0 isn't mentioned in /etc/inittab |
| 21:17.02 | Chocky | lsof |
| 21:17.28 | nomeata | mmontour: I can select Mic Sidetone Mux [Mic 2] with alsamixer, but where can I actually raise the volume? |
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| 21:19.03 | jakob__ | ecraven: you might want to checkout the fso implementation. There you just need to use some dbus messages to make and recieve calls for example |
| 21:19.41 | jakob__ | ecraven: and it is exactly one of the scenarios the fso api implementation is made for. |
| 21:19.48 | ecraven | jakob__: i know, but i like debian a lot, and it offers some programs i don't have on angstrom |
| 21:20.13 | Dave | ecraven: permissions |
| 21:20.19 | Dave | perhaps |
| 21:20.22 | jakob__ | ecraven: yeah but you could just run the python deamons from the fso on your debian :) |
| 21:20.27 | mmontour | nomeata: make sure you run "alsamixer -V all" - there should be a Mic2 control |
| 21:20.48 | jakob__ | ecraven: It may need some little changes but it is definitly the way to go :) |
| 21:21.38 | mmontour | The full name is probably "Mic2 Capture Volume" or similar, but alsamixer strips off the suffix when it displays it |
| 21:21.51 | nomeata | mmontour: thx, -V all helped. |
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| 21:22.41 | ecraven | jakob__: that's what i'm aiming for ;) |
| 21:22.51 | ecraven | hm.. will the gsm modem do *anything* if i don't have a sim card inserted? |
| 21:23.15 | jakob__ | ecraven: I think you can call 911 with it, but I am not 100% sure |
| 21:23.31 | ecraven | i mean, will it answer any AT commands? |
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| 21:24.11 | SpeedEvil | jakob__: not in the UK. |
| 21:24.15 | SpeedEvil | stabs OFCOM. |
| 21:24.16 | SpeedEvil | stabs OFCOM. |
| 21:24.20 | jakob__ | ecraven: oh thats something I am not sure about :) |
| 21:24.22 | mmontour | ecraven: yes, it will respond to commands. There are flow-control issues when accessing it directly - see "Manually Using GSM" on the wiki |
| 21:24.52 | ecraven | mmontour: i read that page, i was just wondering whether the fault is the missing sim card |
| 21:24.53 | jakob__ | SpeedEvil: than it is area dependent :) |
| 21:25.18 | jakob__ | SpeedEvil: or at least the emergency number changes from country to country :) |
| 21:25.57 | SpeedEvil | jakob__: nope |
| 21:26.14 | jakob__ | SpeedEvil: it does not work at all in the UK? |
| 21:26.24 | SpeedEvil | jakob__: OFCOM did not require networks to allow GSM mobiles to be able to make emergency calls without an active SIM. |
| 21:26.28 | `pwgen` | ps ax |
| 21:26.38 | Fossi | that's pretty stupid... |
| 21:26.59 | Fossi | then again, you have 24/7 camera monitoring, so you're save anyway ;D |
| 21:27.04 | `pwgen` | grmfl |
| 21:27.05 | ecraven | hm.. socat doesn't do what i want ;( |
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| 21:27.26 | jakob__ | hmm thats quite careless I would say |
| 21:28.37 | sitwon | Awesome! I got GPRS working thanks to the wiki! |
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| 21:30.24 | SpeedEvil | sitwon: :) |
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| 21:33.28 | donomo | what do most people use for a keyboard? |
| 21:33.44 | Chocky | ssh |
| 21:33.46 | donomo | ssh from a desktop/laptop? or is there a bluetooth keyboard that works? |
| 21:33.47 | Ainulindale | A black piece of plastic ? |
| 21:33.54 | donomo | Ainulindale: lolz |
| 21:33.55 | Dave | :P |
| 21:34.01 | ecraven | wow, scheme48 works on the neo?? |
| 21:34.05 | Chocky | man, we're a channel full of helpful people |
| 21:34.15 | Ainulindale | (and as everyone said, ssh) |
| 21:34.19 | sitwon | donomo: I installed the matchbox keboard, the multitap was too slow and limited (no way to use vi) |
| 21:34.19 | Dave | :D |
| 21:34.27 | donomo | using the keypad with letters is a pita |
| 21:34.33 | donomo | sitwon: k. i'll look into that. thx |
| 21:34.34 | Dave | Agreed. |
| 21:34.41 | Dave | It also fucks up the input method via X:ssh |
| 21:34.45 | Dave | :D |
| 21:34.46 | kdean06 | Qtopia's Predictive input. :D |
| 21:34.50 | Dave | pfft |
| 21:34.53 | Dave | If you like it, sure. |
| 21:35.05 | Dave | Though in my opinion it's pointless when you have a REAL keyboard. |
| 21:35.07 | *** join/#openmoko leinir (n=leinir@amarok/usability/leinir) |
| 21:35.12 | donomo | is the shipped software an openmoko release with QT bits, or is it a qtopia release? |
| 21:35.19 | Dave | leinir! |
| 21:35.20 | wurp2|semi_away | no |
| 21:35.22 | Elleo | donomo: I think all bluetooth keyboards should work (assuming they conform to the HID spec), though you'll need to do some manual configuration |
| 21:35.23 | wurp2|semi_away | donomo: no |
| 21:35.29 | Dave | Neither |
| 21:36.01 | donomo | sigh. ok. there is no wifi support via the GUI is there? |
| 21:36.05 | donomo | and no browser. |
| 21:36.13 | wurp2|semi_away | donomo: There's a browser |
| 21:36.17 | Dave | heh |
| 21:36.21 | Dave | coughs |
| 21:36.25 | Chocky | coffs. |
| 21:36.33 | donomo | wurp2|semi_away: you mean lynx? |
| 21:36.36 | wurp2|semi_away | donomo: Not sure about wifi support... I don't have an FR |
| 21:36.40 | Chocky | lynx sucks, use links |
| 21:36.43 | wurp2|semi_away | donomo: Nah, the OM browser |
| 21:36.43 | Dave | man, I wish it had lynx! |
| 21:36.53 | Chocky | links pwns you |
| 21:36.54 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: telnet |
| 21:36.57 | Chocky | fnar. |
| 21:36.58 | wurp2|semi_away | donomo: It's not great, but not terrible - graphical browser |
| 21:36.58 | Dave | om2 is somewhat functional, and very limited. |
| 21:37.04 | donomo | Chocky: i actually use links but i thought that name would be too ambigious to use :) |
| 21:37.11 | Chocky | w3m :p |
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| 21:37.17 | Dave | bbq |
| 21:37.17 | donomo | wurp2|semi_away: its not on the list of apps |
| 21:37.27 | wurp2|semi_away | donomo: Then the list is wrong :-) |
| 21:37.37 | Dave | openmoko-browser2 |
| 21:37.40 | wurp2|semi_away | donomo: Or someone removed the browser... Dave should know if it's there |
| 21:37.44 | wurp2|semi_away | And if the wifi gui is there |
| 21:37.51 | wurp2|semi_away | But he's too busy being snarky |
| 21:37.52 | Dave | Agreed :] |
| 21:37.56 | Dave | heehee |
| 21:37.58 | Dave | Indeed! |
| 21:37.59 | Chocky | agrees also |
| 21:38.03 | wurp2|semi_away | ;-) |
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| 21:38.05 | Chocky | h5s Dave |
| 21:38.05 | Dave | concurs with himself. |
| 21:38.05 | donomo | k. well at least with all these actual hardware owners, that should add life to the software project |
| 21:38.17 | Dave | Definitely! |
| 21:38.22 | linuxxr | yay |
| 21:38.24 | Dave | More slavedriving please! |
| 21:38.27 | *** part/#openmoko torito (n=deepsigh@ti0034a380-dhcp0755.bb.online.no) |
| 21:38.32 | linuxxr | snap[ |
| 21:38.36 | Dave | *Crack* |
| 21:38.40 | donomo | im going to use this phone as my everyday phone until it becomes unbearable |
| 21:38.43 | linuxxr | pow# |
| 21:38.46 | Chocky | hm, opkg update goodness |
| 21:38.49 | Dave | hahah |
| 21:38.53 | Dave | I like your style! |
| 21:38.55 | donomo | hands dave a rootbeer |
| 21:38.58 | linuxxr | then u gonna hack it |
| 21:39.01 | Dave | o/ |
| 21:39.03 | Chocky | hands Dave a real beer |
| 21:39.05 | Dave | Thanks :D |
| 21:39.17 | donomo | will the battery last a day? |
| 21:39.23 | linuxxr | get 3 |
| 21:39.29 | Chocky | hm, whole mess of a crazy modules being pulled |
| 21:39.33 | linuxxr | 1 have 4 |
| 21:39.45 | donomo | linuxxr: you have 4 batteries? |
| 21:39.55 | linuxxr | y spares pack |
| 21:39.58 | wurp2|semi_away | mickeyl: Where the hell are you if you just had lunch? |
| 21:40.08 | Dave | haha |
| 21:40.10 | linuxxr | plus 1 i took from a nokia |
| 21:40.11 | mickeyl | :D |
| 21:40.17 | kdean06 | I just at lunch of taffy. |
| 21:40.23 | mickeyl | i decided to take the rest of the day off after lunch :) |
| 21:40.26 | Dave | English please. |
| 21:40.27 | wurp2|semi_away | heh |
| 21:40.29 | mickeyl | working too hard |
| 21:40.44 | donomo | well i'll take a measurement on battery life and report back. |
| 21:40.47 | linuxxr | at drinking beer |
| 21:40.48 | Dave | Oh, so you pulled one of those "eight hour lunches," eh Mickeyl? |
| 21:40.54 | mickeyl | Dave: righto |
| 21:40.58 | Dave | :) |
| 21:41.05 | Dave | Like, I went for lunch and didn't come back... |
| 21:41.06 | mickeyl | i love being freelancer ;) |
| 21:41.10 | Dave | hah! |
| 21:41.15 | wurp2|semi_away | donomo: regarding battery life: |
| 21:41.17 | Elleo | donomo: the wiki reports around 12h, with possibly 21h with very low usage |
| 21:41.18 | wurp2|semi_away | ~FAQ |
| 21:41.19 | apt | well, faq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_FAQ |
| 21:41.19 | Dave | if only you could be a freerunner! |
| 21:41.22 | Dave | ;D |
| 21:41.26 | mickeyl | heheh |
| 21:41.32 | donomo | dou. i got FAQ-p0wned. |
| 21:41.38 | Dave | :D |
| 21:41.41 | donomo | Elleo: thx |
| 21:41.44 | Dave | rtfm, essentially. |
| 21:41.47 | Dave | :) |
| 21:41.47 | linuxxr | which gophone has athe same battery? |
| 21:42.37 | donomo | portland oregon peeps can see the phone tonight. http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/732230 |
| 21:42.39 | Dave | Hmm, I think it's time to blow this popsicle stand! |
| 21:43.08 | linuxxr | be good if i could find a 15 dollar gophone that had the same sim and battery |
| 21:43.23 | Dave | That's not the best comparison :) |
| 21:43.23 | donomo | linuxxr: for realz. |
| 21:43.40 | cjb | has a 10 dolla gophone, will test battery when FR comes (maybe tomorrow). |
| 21:44.03 | Chocky | 5 dollah, love you long time |
| 21:44.20 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 21:44.29 | doc|work | there's always one |
| 21:44.38 | Chocky | Dave is an expert at 5 dollah love. |
| 21:45.00 | SpeedEvil | Battery life at teh moment is very much a work in progress. Currently suspend is broken, so you get 6-12 hours depending on what's on. The hardware appears capable of doing a week standby, with 20 hours mp3, and 5 hours+ talk time. |
| 21:45.15 | Chocky | SpeedEvil: that's pretty nice, TBH |
| 21:45.25 | Dave | Hmm, SpeedBot seems to be a bit lagged today :D |
| 21:45.46 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: that's based on likely extrapolations. |
| 21:46.07 | donomo | SpeedEvil: so leaving apps "open" sucks a little more juice? |
| 21:46.08 | Dave | You might want to put that little disclaimer in there ;) |
| 21:46.11 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: hmmm, kinda reads like 1 week standby including 20 hours mp3 and 5hrs talk time |
| 21:46.24 | doc|work | donomo: it's there, the word 'about' |
| 21:46.28 | doc|work | :) |
| 21:46.28 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: it's the way all phone companies quote life. |
| 21:46.31 | Dave | aboot? |
| 21:46.51 | SpeedEvil | donomo: That's assuming that powersaving works, and it saves to RAM properly. |
| 21:47.08 | Dave | Speaking of which, we need more! |
| 21:47.09 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: sure, but all phone companies are different to OM :) It's just the phrasing :) |
| 21:47.15 | donomo | im not expecting a week, i just hope it gets through the day. |
| 21:47.28 | cjb | SpeedEvil: please turn off your bold coloring. |
| 21:47.36 | Dave | Better yet, hope YOU get through the day, with it! :P |
| 21:47.41 | SpeedEvil | cjb: I haven't worked out how to. |
| 21:47.42 | Dave | cackles maniacally |
| 21:47.55 | Chocky | christ on a bike. this guy is so disorganised. he's email me about 10 times asking where it is, if I ordered debug boards, how to pay, etc, etc. In fact, he's _so_ keen and disorganised, he's the very last to pick up his from the 10 pack. |
| 21:48.03 | cjb | SpeedEvil: that is annoying. should I work it out for you? what IRC client are you using? |
| 21:48.10 | Chocky | worst yet, he's 5 mins walk away. |
| 21:48.16 | Dave | heh |
| 21:48.25 | Dave | pidgeon courier? :D |
| 21:48.28 | SpeedEvil | cjb: bitchx |
| 21:48.34 | donomo | once i saw that screen and linux booting, i knew i had found my phone. :) |
| 21:48.34 | Fossi | throw it over |
| 21:48.49 | Chocky | I cycled _right_ past it at lunch time to go to the bank. of course I didn't have his phone - it's at home, cos he wasn't organized last night |
| 21:49.31 | malik1972 | lpotter: thanx for the new images |
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| 21:50.01 | SpeedEvil | cjb: does that do it? |
| 21:50.06 | malik1972 | lpotter: did you made a xpkg "feed"? |
| 21:50.08 | spydon | SpeedEvil, people still use bitchx? :P |
| 21:50.10 | cjb | SpeedEvil: nope |
| 21:50.34 | Chocky | Another guy was supposed to turn up at 6.30pm last night. Was 8.20 - he was "stuck in traffic" - on a Sunday evening? fnar. |
| 21:50.34 | cjb | spydon: /fset format_nick_comp $0:$1- |
| 21:50.53 | Chocky | sucker for punishment |
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| 21:51.18 | Chocky | and another asked if he could email me for help with his device. I carefully didn't agree. |
| 21:51.44 | SpeedEvil | cjb<automaticallytabcompletedandsometimesmaybeinaccurate: is that better? |
| 21:52.00 | spydon | hehe |
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| 21:52.21 | cjb | SpeedEvil: bwuh? :) |
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| 21:52.43 | SpeedEvil | Oops. Mismatched < |
| 21:52.47 | SpeedEvil | Ok, fixed. |
| 21:52.56 | cjb | one more try? :) |
| 21:53.03 | SpeedEvil | cjb: that? |
| 21:53.17 | cjb | hurrah! |
| 21:53.24 | cjb | now I think you /save or something to make it permanent |
| 21:53.25 | cjb | thanks. |
| 21:53.30 | SpeedEvil | I have |
| 21:53.31 | cjb1 | Yay! |
| 21:54.03 | Chocky | TabCompletion: do you feel complete? |
| 21:54.10 | ecraven | just use rcirc :) |
| 21:54.17 | TabCompletion | I feel special |
| 21:55.00 | rivalarrival | Ok, enough of that... |
| 21:55.27 | rivalarrival | What's the current gripefest, or are you gonna make me look through the history? |
| 21:55.32 | ecraven | does the neo need special graphics drivers for x11? |
| 21:55.37 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 21:55.39 | Chocky | rivalarrival: yes |
| 21:55.41 | SpeedEvil | Err - no |
| 21:55.44 | ecraven | and where do i get them for other distributions (debian especially) |
| 21:55.49 | SpeedEvil | The neo has just a dumb framebuffer. |
| 21:55.55 | nomeata | is there a opkg feed for packages like http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Complete_QWERTY_Keyboard_On_The_Freerunner? |
| 21:56.00 | Chocky | use fbdev for Debian |
| 21:56.07 | SpeedEvil | The FR has a wierd horrible graphics chip. |
| 21:56.11 | cjb | ecraven: do you mean the Neo or the FreeRunner? |
| 21:56.14 | ecraven | Chocky: isn't fbdev rather slow? |
| 21:56.16 | ecraven | freerunner |
| 21:56.19 | cjb | the FR uses xorg-video-glamo. |
| 21:56.24 | cjb | which is in svn.openmoko.org |
| 21:56.28 | SpeedEvil | echarp: the graphics bus is fundamentally slow |
| 21:56.41 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: think a 16 bit ISA card. |
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| 21:56.53 | ecraven | cjb: so i should be able to build and package it for debian? |
| 21:56.53 | rivalarrival | mmm... 16 bit ISA card... |
| 21:56.57 | Chocky | aye |
| 21:57.10 | cjb | ecraven: yes. |
| 21:57.27 | Chocky | at worst, through it at alien |
| 21:58.33 | ecraven | can i browse the opkg repositories? |
| 21:58.45 | Chocky | yes, they're just http dirs |
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| 22:00.49 | nomeata | just thought that his Freerunner lost time time. But it really was 00:00. |
| 22:01.10 | Chocky | laffs |
| 22:01.41 | nibbler | i had the exactly same thought with my desk-phone ;-) |
| 22:03.03 | t_s_o | http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/07/14/build-your-own-bluetooth-handgun-handset-or-dont/ <- hmm, next model freerunner? |
| 22:04.22 | bricode | Chocky: Now you know how it feels to be a distributor of phones. |
| 22:04.46 | Chocky | troo. |
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| 22:05.18 | Chocky | only thing is, I don't make any profit. |
| 22:05.23 | bricode | Chocky: Multiply that by 30, and you know what the various distributors have to deal with. |
| 22:05.36 | bricode | Chocky: Granted that's the case, but margins are slim on h/w. |
| 22:05.40 | Chocky | unless you count the $3.30 change people don't want |
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| 22:07.02 | Chocky | FWIW, I have sold hardware in the past, and the stuff we build and sell here I do some customer support for |
| 22:07.13 | Chocky | but I get paid for that :p |
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| 22:07.29 | bricode | Chocky: You're certainly more informed than most then :) |
| 22:07.38 | *** join/#openmoko nomeata (i=nobody@nomeata.de) |
| 22:07.45 | Chocky | sometimes being the expert isn't all it's cracked up to be |
| 22:08.05 | Chocky | I am "hardware lead". I'm really a software engineer. |
| 22:08.23 | bricode | Chocky: I hear that. |
| 22:08.49 | Chocky | anyway, at least Staples delivered my coffee |
| 22:10.27 | Ainulindale | Coffee ? what kind ? :-) |
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| 22:10.56 | Chocky | "bay traders" |
| 22:11.10 | Chocky | Staples order needed to be some amount for free shipping, so threw it in |
| 22:11.20 | Ainulindale | Roasted or green ? |
| 22:11.50 | Chocky | really - who orders green coffee except fanatics? |
| 22:12.00 | Chocky | it's ground already. and I hope it's roasted |
| 22:12.21 | rivalarrival | Really, who throws a shoe? |
| 22:12.38 | Chocky | my other foot |
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| 22:20.35 | ieatlint | it would appear bluetooth support for alsa is missing in 2007.2 |
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| 22:24.49 | SpeedEvil | http://youtube.com/watch?v=N5KzL8VLm_k |
| 22:25.07 | SpeedEvil | oops - mischan. |
| 22:25.10 | SpeedEvil | Though worksafe. |
| 22:25.24 | SpeedEvil | RS232C interface lead album. |
| 22:25.55 | Chocky | laffs |
| 22:26.01 | Chocky | very English |
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| 22:27.37 | AciD | hey ! |
| 22:27.49 | AciD | I just received my FR \o/ |
| 22:27.56 | Chocky | |o/ |
| 22:27.58 | Chocky | \o| |
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| 22:28.56 | wurp2|semi_away | AciD: Congrats! |
| 22:29.29 | AciD | now I need to figure out how to start it :) |
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| 22:29.38 | ieatlint | welcome to the confusion/insanity! |
| 22:30.11 | Chocky | step one. chew lint. |
| 22:30.16 | ieatlint | wow, someone who knows truly isn't spelt "truely" on irc? |
| 22:30.21 | Chocky | step two. press and hold power button. |
| 22:30.28 | Chocky | step three ???? |
| 22:30.37 | Chocky | step four, truely profit! |
| 22:30.59 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 22:31.03 | Ainulindale | OpenMoko's profit you mean ? :-) |
| 22:31.20 | Chocky | my prophet |
| 22:32.02 | Chocky | dselect on FR - so wrong! |
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| 22:32.11 | AciD | where do you have to put pressure on to open it ? (to put the battery and gsm card in) |
| 22:32.37 | SpeedEvil | AciD: hook your fingers like you were searching for the |
| 22:32.42 | Chocky | fingernail at the end in the groove. read the guide |
| 22:32.43 | Arg0naut | got my freerunner! |
| 22:32.44 | SpeedEvil | AciD: hook your fingers rigidly. |
| 22:32.53 | Chocky | it shows you where |
| 22:32.59 | AciD | there is a guide ? |
| 22:33.02 | SpeedEvil | AciD: now put your fingernail into the slot on the top of the phone |
| 22:33.12 | Chocky | yes |
| 22:33.16 | SpeedEvil | AciD: and bend your wrist while holding the hand rigid. |
| 22:33.25 | Chocky | mentioned on the wiki, and mentioned on the green bit of papaer with your FR |
| 22:33.30 | SpeedEvil | AciD: this pops the back of the case off easily. |
| 22:33.36 | AciD | ah yes |
| 22:34.01 | AciD | I'll have to reboot then, I updated my kernel on x server so no apps are launching |
| 22:34.03 | AciD | brb |
| 22:34.19 | ieatlint | that sentence made no sense |
| 22:34.31 | ieatlint | did he mean he updated his x server? |
| 22:34.31 | Chocky | oh well |
| 22:34.38 | Chocky | it make sense to him, don't stress it. |
| 22:34.45 | ieatlint | :P |
| 22:34.49 | Chocky | another case of someone rushing. |
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| 22:39.19 | AciD | re |
| 22:40.53 | nullpuppy | w000000000000000t |
| 22:40.54 | nullpuppy | my freerunner has arrived |
| 22:41.04 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:41.15 | Ainulindale | nullpuppy: test your GPS |
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| 22:41.28 | nullpuppy | Ainulindale: yup, will |
| 22:41.29 | nullpuppy | do |
| 22:41.30 | ieatlint | it's like ups decided to coordinate everyone's delivery |
| 22:41.31 | kelvie_work | still doesn't have a shipment notification :( |
| 22:41.33 | nullpuppy | have to get it out of the box first ;) |
| 22:42.11 | SpeedEvil | nullpuppy: you must use a chainsaw, or you void the warranty. |
| 22:42.12 | ieatlint | i love geeks... they get a new toy they've been drooling over, and before opening it, they go on irc to tell others |
| 22:42.19 | nullpuppy | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 22:42.27 | nullpuppy | ieatlint: hehe ;) |
| 22:42.33 | AciD | I closed the pin window before being able to enter it. how can I get it back ? (without rebooting) |
| 22:42.51 | Chocky | linty: you forgot the bit about purchasing the extras first. |
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| 22:45.20 | ieatlint | i think i read that being a bug... that you can't get it back |
| 22:45.24 | Ainulindale | AciD: ssh to it, kill phone-kit and relaunch it, or power the gsm down and up again (not sure if it'll work) |
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| 22:45.37 | Ainulindale | (and by that I mean the antenna) |
| 22:48.20 | AciD | "maximum number of PIN attempts reached." |
| 22:48.25 | AciD | :'( |
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| 22:49.53 | spydon | nullpuppy, you must make a video to put on youtube when you unpack it ;) |
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| 22:50.54 | AciD | anyway |
| 22:50.55 | AciD | gn |
| 22:51.02 | nullpuppy | spydon: haha, no camera :( |
| 22:51.07 | nullpuppy | that would be awesome though |
| 22:51.09 | ieatlint | ok, in about an hour i'm going to go down to the beach here with my FR and two other gps devices and time how long for each to get a lock |
| 22:51.37 | Chocky | allowing for each of the to fill with sand |
| 22:51.37 | spydon | nullpuppy, too bad :P |
| 22:51.40 | Chocky | them |
| 22:52.07 | ieatlint | i seem to recall reading that electronics actually operate better with sand |
| 22:52.21 | SpeedEvil | Tehy are afterall made of sand. |
| 22:52.22 | bricode | ieatlint: Electronics *are* sand. |
| 22:52.25 | Chocky | pfft |
| 22:52.37 | Chocky | only partly sand. |
| 22:52.40 | ieatlint | heh, maybe yours are |
| 22:52.47 | Chocky | reset is lead, mecury, iron, other fun metals |
| 22:52.48 | mwester | sand and magic smoke |
| 22:52.48 | ieatlint | vacuum tubes forever! |
| 22:52.50 | Chocky | ceramic |
| 22:52.58 | Chocky | plastic :p |
| 22:53.02 | Ainulindale | And tiny little elves |
| 22:53.11 | Chocky | yes, don't forget the elves |
| 22:53.21 | Dave | How are you gentlemen? and Chocky. |
| 22:53.24 | Chocky | or like in the Flintstones where there's s bird in the TV or something |
| 22:53.33 | ieatlint | it doesn't sound as cool to say "i spent $400 on a phone made of sand" |
| 22:53.33 | SpeedEvil | Elleo: that's with a valid composite input signal? |
| 22:53.35 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 22:54.21 | mwester | fits SpeedEvil's computer with a mischan filter |
| 22:54.24 | doc|work | ieatlint: common response: "You bought an ipod?" |
| 22:54.41 | ieatlint | nope... i don't own a single apple product |
| 22:54.44 | Dave | Hmm, I may require assistance with this python app tonight :) |
| 22:54.48 | doc|work | ieatlint: hehe |
| 22:55.02 | cjb | hm, does anyone have thoughts on a bicycle holder for the moko? |
| 22:55.16 | cjb | (I want to mount it around where my front light is, as a GPS dash) |
| 22:55.20 | nullpuppy | booting ;) |
| 22:55.24 | doc|work | cjb: the phone's a bit small to hold bicycles, don't you think? |
| 22:55.29 | cjb | doc|work: :) |
| 22:55.31 | Dave | cjb yes |
| 22:55.43 | Chocky | it'd get full of bugs instead of sand |
| 22:55.50 | Dave | I already came up with a few mockups; if you're interested I'll show them to you later :) |
| 22:55.59 | doc|work | it's already full of bugs |
| 22:56.04 | Chocky | oh yeah. sorry |
| 22:56.12 | cjb | Dave: neat. do you have a method of manufacturing in mind? |
| 22:56.29 | doc|work | glue and ice lolly sticks |
| 22:56.41 | Chocky | wonder if OM will later sell caseless, and perhaps screenless boards |
| 22:57.00 | Chocky | I know there are plenty of other embedded boards that fit the bill, but still |
| 22:57.08 | doc|work | few with gsm |
| 22:57.23 | doc|work | (and open) |
| 22:57.39 | Chocky | GSM can be found to attach. but plenty of very open boards. |
| 22:57.42 | Elleo | cjb: I've just ordered a cheap general purpose one (http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/14252.htm), will let you know how I get on with it if you like |
| 22:58.16 | doc|work | cool idea |
| 22:59.09 | Arg0naut | did anyone have a hard time installing the microsd?, it doesn't seem to want to clamp down on mine.. |
| 22:59.16 | Chocky | aye |
| 22:59.28 | Chocky | it's not obvious that it fits _inside_ the tabs |
| 22:59.29 | SpeedEvil | Arg0naut: the socket is _horrible_ |
| 22:59.31 | Chocky | not just rest on top |
| 22:59.51 | Chocky | you might have to bend the tabs out again |
| 23:00.04 | Chocky | I think the picture on the wiki has been improved so it's more obvious |
| 23:00.43 | cjb | Elleo: thanks! maybe my local bike store has one, then.. |
| 23:01.23 | Elleo | no problem |
| 23:03.34 | nomeata | hi. can someone with python on the freerunner try this script and see if it does output your real own number: |
| 23:03.36 | nomeata | http://paste.frubar.net/8614 |
| 23:03.47 | nomeata | Especially users with more than one number... |
| 23:04.27 | Arg0naut | ty for the help |
| 23:04.32 | cjb | nomeata: you could use dbus-send, for people who don't have python |
| 23:04.33 | SirBob1701 | so can you install ruby on 2007.2? |
| 23:04.44 | nomeata | cjb: I couldnât figure out how. |
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| 23:05.00 | nomeata | cjb: but then, it probably was a wrong object path, that I figured out when trying the python way |
| 23:06.07 | Ainulindale | dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.GLib.UnmappedError.PhoneKitNetwork.Code5: Unable to retrieve subscriber number |
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| 23:09.46 | Ainulindale | Hmmm I have a mismatch tag in the Network interface xml apparently |
| 23:09.57 | Ainulindale | +ed |
| 23:10.03 | donomo | opkg update tells me Signature check failed. http://pastie.org/233380 |
| 23:10.38 | aevin | donomo: yes, it always does. the server hasn't got proper signatures (yet) |
| 23:11.01 | donomo | aevin: does that mean the package list was updated anyways? |
| 23:11.21 | aevin | i think so. |
| 23:11.34 | doc|work | ok, this is a bit fucked, package shipping via UPS from California to Vancouver, they have it marked as currently in Philadepphia?! |
| 23:11.35 | Arg0naut | i gotta say, seeing the phone in person, it sure is damn sexy |
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| 23:13.46 | bricode | doc|work: It's all about the hubs for UPS. |
| 23:13.47 | cjb | aw, my delivery got put back to the 17th. |
| 23:14.16 | doc|work | bricode: sure, but that's still way off where it should be if it's to get to me tomorrow :/ |
| 23:14.27 | doc|work | unless they fly this evening |
| 23:14.53 | nomeata | Ainulindale: I have that as well, but I get a number |
| 23:14.59 | nomeata | Ainulindale: have you used SMS already? |
| 23:15.10 | Ainulindale | yep, it works fine |
| 23:15.21 | bricode | doc|work: They always fly at night. |
| 23:15.29 | doc|work | I hope so :) |
| 23:15.34 | doc|work | must ring them this evening |
| 23:15.40 | bricode | doc|work: Your in Van then? |
| 23:15.43 | doc|work | sort out gst :( |
| 23:15.45 | doc|work | bricode: yep |
| 23:15.47 | doc|work | you? |
| 23:15.59 | nomeata | Ainulindale: can you check .evolution/memos/local/system/journal.ics and see what the Freerunner puts there as the sender (SUMMARY) oder recipient (LOCATION) for your messages? |
| 23:16.00 | bricode | doc|work: Vancouver Island at the moment. |
| 23:16.04 | doc|work | ah, cool |
| 23:16.05 | doc|work | O |
| 23:16.08 | doc|work | whoops |
| 23:16.15 | doc|work | I've got 3 phones from my group going there |
| 23:16.50 | Ainulindale | nomeata: "oder" ? |
| 23:17.22 | Ainulindale | nomeata: I have the sender as the summary, and one time as the location |
| 23:18.09 | nomeata | Ainulindale: and you only have one of these per message? |
| 23:18.21 | Ainulindale | Looks like it. |
| 23:18.24 | nomeata | Ainulindale: because here, the Freerunner puts his "own number" in the field |
| 23:18.47 | Ainulindale | Weird |
| 23:18.58 | nomeata | Ainulindale: so what does messages put above the mails you send. Nothing, or the other persons number? |
| 23:19.11 | Ainulindale | The name of the contact |
| 23:19.33 | nomeata | oh, ok. doesnât do that here :-) |
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| 23:21.43 | donomo | whats the opkg name of the PDF viewer? |
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| 23:27.03 | kdubois | that xkcd in the topic is sooo true. i must have checked ups 30 times today |
| 23:27.28 | doc|work | hehe |
| 23:31.52 | tunys | is the day that they'll get more 850s still the 25th? Any earlier will be inconvenient for me. |
| 23:36.06 | doc|work | arse |
| 23:36.17 | doc|work | macdonalder: turns out you have to pay gst AND pst |
| 23:37.37 | Chocky | notes that the PNY "break to open" tamper proof devices on their CF card packaging can be opened without breaking. |
| 23:37.42 | Chocky | what a waste of plastic |
| 23:42.46 | doc|work | heh |
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| 23:46.06 | bricode | doc|work: From ordering from California? |
| 23:46.26 | rivalarrival | gst? pst? |
| 23:46.35 | nomeata | Is there a way to disable reading the contacts on the SIM? |
| 23:46.47 | rivalarrival | erase the contacts on the sim? |
| 23:47.39 | nomeata | rivalarrival: well, I still want to use them in my other, reliable, phone :-) |
| 23:47.59 | doc|work | bricode: from orders from Canada |
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| 23:48.10 | doc|work | er, from California to Canada |
| 23:48.20 | doc|work | bricode: no idea why, that's just what UPS told me :( |
| 23:48.41 | doc|work | 400 dollars in taxes, for absolutely nothing. I feel dirty |
| 23:48.43 | rivalarrival | nomeata: Copy them to the reliable phone, erase them from the sim card? :-) |
| 23:48.47 | bricode | doc|work: That's whacky. I would have thought just GST and perhaps some more duty on the way in. |
| 23:48.49 | doc|work | 470 in fact |
| 23:49.03 | doc|work | bricode: that's government canada for you |
| 23:49.06 | rivalarrival | 470 in TAXES? Is that on a 10-pack? |
| 23:49.12 | doc|work | rivalarrival: yeah |
| 23:49.14 | bricode | doc|work: Yucky. |
| 23:49.23 | rivalarrival | Ouch. That sucks. |
| 23:49.26 | nomeata | rivalarrival: the reliabe phone is a very old phone, not sure it has a contact store of itâs own |
| 23:49.29 | kelvie_work | they charged PST as well?! |
| 23:49.30 | Chocky | sneak them over the border |
| 23:49.33 | doc|work | kelvie_work: yep |
| 23:49.38 | kelvie_work | lame |
| 23:49.46 | doc|work | Chocky: I don't cross that border under any circumstances |
| 23:49.46 | kelvie_work | I don't think I get charged PST ordering stuff from Ontario |
| 23:49.51 | rivalarrival | nomeata: Sounds like I should refer you to tier-2. :-) |
| 23:49.51 | doc|work | values his anal virginity |
| 23:49.59 | Chocky | pay someone $400 to do it |
| 23:50.07 | doc|work | kelvie_work: well no, that's inside canada |
| 23:50.08 | rivalarrival | doc|work: VALUED - past tense... |
| 23:50.12 | mwester | watches the conversation and wonders if there's a reward for smugglers |
| 23:50.23 | doc|work | rivalarrival: pffft, haven't crossed it yet |
| 23:50.32 | doc|work | mwester: there's definitely a market :) |
| 23:51.13 | Chocky | tunnel under the border for free phones. |
| 23:51.21 | nomeata | rivalarrival: Iâm just wondering what component reads it - eds, contacts, something else? |
| 23:51.27 | doc|work | Chocky: I'd love to do that :) |
| 23:51.41 | doc|work | not worth it for 10 phones though :) |
| 23:51.49 | Chocky | 20? ;-) |
| 23:51.57 | doc|work | heh |
| 23:52.00 | doc|work | yes! |
| 23:52.16 | rivalarrival | If you get them shipped to me, I'll use my patented Border Mortar to launch them over the fence. |
| 23:52.50 | SpeedEvil | rivalarrival: just plug them into a USB helicopter, and have the GPS guide it. |
| 23:52.57 | rivalarrival | nomeata: Couldn't tell you, sorry. |
| 23:53.04 | rivalarrival | SpeedEvil: I like the way you think... |
| 23:53.16 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: will be shot down by DHS using 1 million dollar missiles |
| 23:53.30 | doc|work | can't have those 470 dollars in taxes go amiss now, can we? |
| 23:53.49 | rivalarrival | Eh, DHS couldn't find their ass with both hands behind their back. |
| 23:53.58 | doc|work | bwahaha |
| 23:54.04 | doc|work | waves to the NSA |
| 23:54.20 | rivalarrival | They're too busy confiscating everyone's Dasani to do any real work. |
| 23:54.27 | doc|work | o.O |
| 23:54.30 | doc|work | really? |
| 23:54.31 | rivalarrival | used to work for NSA. |
| 23:54.41 | cjb | rivalarrival: are you allowed to say that? :) |
| 23:54.42 | doc|work | oh, yeah, flights, water etc |
| 23:54.58 | doc|work | rivalarrival: now they'll send someone after you. Was that what you wanted?! |
| 23:55.23 | rivalarrival | Eh, if my former co-workers are any indication, I've got nothing to worry about. :-) |
| 23:55.28 | SpeedEvil | I do wonder what'll happen when it's realised that you can very easily conceal a >>200ml bottle in your person. |
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| 23:56.12 | ieatlint | SpeedEvil, you and i have very different definitions of "easy" |
| 23:56.29 | ieatlint | i personally find swallowing a 200ml bottle or shoving it up my ass a challenging affair |
| 23:56.40 | SpeedEvil | For sufficiently perverted values of you. |
| 23:56.42 | rivalarrival | pump it into your bladder. |
| 23:56.59 | ieatlint | how about drain a li-ion battery and fill it... |
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| 23:57.11 | bricode | doc|work: I'd recommend the next order should be through Koolu. Only GST to BC. |
| 23:57.31 | bricode | doc|work: It should be noted I work for Koolu. |
| 23:57.47 | rivalarrival | Some guy smuggled a large dildo in his pants as a "medical device" - they demanded to swab the end of it, but that was it. |
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| 23:58.12 | ieatlint | it's not smuggling if they know about it |
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| 23:58.51 | rivalarrival | good point - but inside that dildo could be an iPod filled with stolen music! |
| 23:59.04 | SpeedEvil | Coming soon to an airport near you! Instant rapid checkin, no searching! NakedAndHandcuffed \ |
| 23:59.07 | SpeedEvil | Air |
| 23:59.40 | rivalarrival | Yeah, I won't travel by commercial air anymore. |
