| 00:00.08 | ljp | ab0oo: dbus support is not built in opie. opie is based off of qtopia 2. which is ancient |
| 00:00.25 | johngay | what's with all the stuff from CIA-46??? |
| 00:00.35 | ab0oo | <sigh> I _really_ liked opie. |
| 00:00.38 | doc|work | johngay: bot to show things happening in code repos |
| 00:00.49 | *** join/#openmoko gmaxwell (n=NT4TN@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001) |
| 00:00.58 | ljp | ab0oo: opie development has not been active the last few years |
| 00:01.05 | gmaxwell | UPS Ship Notification, Tracking Number!!! |
| 00:01.13 | doc|work | gmaxwell: yey! order number? |
| 00:01.31 | ab0oo | ljp: did anything replace it, or did it just dwindle away? |
| 00:01.45 | gmaxwell | doc|work, 1416 |
| 00:02.03 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4c35ceece0ef 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update illum config |
| 00:02.03 | doc|work | grrr, too low! |
| 00:02.05 | johngay | Didn't opie die around the same time they canceled the Andy Griffith show? |
| 00:02.05 | doc|work | :) |
| 00:02.12 | ljp | ab0oo: its still worked on for a few bug fixes, but not much |
| 00:02.47 | ljp | ab0oo: but some of the core develoeprs work on OM |
| 00:03.12 | ab0oo | all those ipaqs and zauruses are dying off.. |
| 00:03.14 | linuxxr | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080710/ap_on_hi_te/tec_verizon_wireless_open_network;_ylt=AsToLSf58ELHtOhrjhWttGMjtBAF |
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| 00:04.13 | mw| | another quick question... does the Kernel on the FreeRunner (2007.2) has a specific wiki page? |
| 00:04.23 | doc|work | linuxxr: to the NSA? |
| 00:04.57 | linuxxr | sorry |
| 00:05.03 | ljp | ab0oo: even my 2 year old wont play with them :) |
| 00:05.26 | *** join/#openmoko weatherhead (n=weatherh@cpc1-midd4-0-0-cust684.midd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 00:05.38 | ab0oo | makes me sad. IMHO, it was a fantastic UI. |
| 00:05.40 | ieatlint | got my ups tracking num |
| 00:06.04 | kd8ikt | quick click refresh maybe it left the warehouse |
| 00:06.18 | chillywilly | I wish I got mine |
| 00:06.28 | chillywilly | is order no. 3000 |
| 00:06.51 | linuxxr | lint wats your # |
| 00:06.52 | budfive | ieatlint: what's your order number? |
| 00:07.11 | linuxxr | no your phonwe # |
| 00:07.21 | linuxxr | ha |
| 00:07.25 | doc|work | shag that, address and eta on parcel? |
| 00:08.03 | linuxxr | hes refreshing |
| 00:08.16 | doc|work | heh |
| 00:08.56 | chillywilly | at least you have something to refresh ;P |
| 00:09.24 | linuxxr | whos texting here from a freerunner? |
| 00:09.46 | ieatlint | just updated the wiki page, #1459 |
| 00:09.54 | ieatlint | linked to my ups tracking page if anyone has an interest |
| 00:10.03 | linuxxr | lol |
| 00:10.06 | johngay | doc: What's verison got to do with the No Such Agency??? |
| 00:10.06 | linuxxr | NO |
| 00:10.41 | doc|work | johngay: they were one of the companies who allowed wiretapping |
| 00:10.50 | doc|work | ok, home time |
| 00:10.56 | rivalarrival | YAY!!! |
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| 00:17.17 | ieatlint | if the guy who has order #1488 is here, it may interest him to know that it's 5:18pm PDT/GMT-7, so his confirmation email couldn't have come at 5:58pm |
| 00:17.59 | rivalarrival | Yay! 1828 just shipped, should be here 17Jul |
| 00:18.11 | ieatlint | my email arrived at 4:58pm though... looks like they must have been stacking pallets for ups to pick up or something, and they all entered the system at the same time when the ups truck arrived |
| 00:18.13 | *** join/#openmoko slomo (n=slomo@e177032104.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 00:18.32 | ieatlint | scheduled delivery tomorrow for me :) |
| 00:18.35 | rivalarrival | Makes sense... Probably done working for the day. |
| 00:19.05 | nullpuppy | woot. tracking email recieved about 20 minutes ago :) scheduled deliver for monday! |
| 00:19.37 | ieatlint | yep, seems like everyone today got their confirmation email at 4:58pm PDT/GMT-7 |
| 00:19.39 | nullpuppy | ieatlint: yeah, sounds aout right |
| 00:19.48 | nullpuppy | yeah, looks like it |
| 00:20.07 | chillywilly | bah... |
| 00:20.09 | gmaxwell | nullpuppy, I wish I'd next/secondayed mine.. Mine is scheduled for tuesday and I'll probably be out of town that day. :( |
| 00:20.11 | retracile | ieatlint: yep, me too. 6:58:10 (& 6:58:11... double copy?) |
| 00:20.23 | kelvie_work | rivalarrival: 1828? |
| 00:20.31 | ab0oo | what a fortuitous discovery: my openembedded toolchain for my gumstix has everything it needs for openmoko development. svn up, bitbake meta-toolchain-openmoko, and I'm poopin' in tall cotton. |
| 00:20.31 | ieatlint | UPS sent the confirmation email too |
| 00:20.31 | kelvie_work | looks like order numbers aren't order of shipping :o |
| 00:20.32 | rivalarrival | My order number |
| 00:20.54 | kelvie_work | yeah. it's just a lot higher than anyone else that's gotten theirs :p |
| 00:21.02 | ieatlint | kelvie, more like order numbers don't sort how they are stacked onto pallets and/or scanned into the system |
| 00:21.04 | kelvie_work | they're like lottery tickets ! |
| 00:21.06 | retracile | mine is scheduled for Wednesday next week. I've been waiting a long time for the phone. One more week won't kill me.... I tell myself. |
| 00:21.06 | ozzloy | i just got a tracking number for order # 1660 ! yay! |
| 00:21.09 | gmaxwell | In other news... the $34 8GB micro sd card I ordered from amazon arrived today. |
| 00:21.11 | ozzloy | fyi ^ |
| 00:21.22 | rivalarrival | My advice is to threaten to kill unless they give you a tracking number. |
| 00:21.27 | rivalarrival | Seems to have worked for me. |
| 00:21.43 | kd8ikt | threaten to unleash the velociraptors |
| 00:21.45 | ieatlint | if someone with a higher number got their tracking num, i would still bet you'll get yours... the way it is sorted (by destination) could even affect how fast it is scanned |
| 00:21.57 | nullpuppy | gmaxwell: yeah, i wish i had 2nd day'd too, i just went ground (typical shipping from north cali is 3 days) |
| 00:22.04 | ozzloy | that's right! i should get a microsd card for this thing. thanks for reminding me |
| 00:22.21 | ieatlint | rivalarrival, yeah, and if they laugh at a geek committing murder, remind them of hans reiser |
| 00:22.22 | gmaxwell | yea.. Ozzloy, I found 8gb cards on amazon for $34. |
| 00:22.22 | chillywilly | 2nd day'd bust has not received diddly |
| 00:22.27 | chillywilly | but* |
| 00:22.37 | nullpuppy | ozzloy: woot.com has 2gb cards yesterday for $6+5 shipping |
| 00:22.41 | nullpuppy | bought 2 |
| 00:22.49 | kelvie_work | or dealextreme.com for an 8gb card for 40 bucks (free worldwide shipping) |
| 00:22.55 | kelvie_work | but it takes 2 weeks to ship to most places |
| 00:22.57 | nullpuppy | chillywilly: you're around 3k in order number though right? |
| 00:23.08 | chillywilly | nullpuppy: yes :) |
| 00:23.17 | walrustown | HOLY JESUS HALLELUJAH a tracking number!! |
| 00:23.27 | ozzloy | nullpuppy: i'm probly gonna go gmaxwell's route. |
| 00:23.32 | ieatlint | says the guy who went and picked up his order? |
| 00:23.50 | *** part/#openmoko carldani (n=carldani@g227161029.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 00:23.55 | ozzloy | my order was 3day (saying in hopes that it's useful to someone in the channel) |
| 00:23.56 | nullpuppy | chillywilly: hehe, alright ;) good luck :) |
| 00:24.19 | chillywilly | nullpuppy: thanks, I appreciate the support |
| 00:24.20 | chillywilly | ;P |
| 00:24.26 | nullpuppy | absolutely :) |
| 00:24.30 | chillywilly | come on you mofos... |
| 00:24.37 | gmaxwell | ozzloy, mine was too.. (ground from california to me is not quick .. ;) ) |
| 00:24.40 | chillywilly | ship! ship! ship! |
| 00:24.41 | ozzloy | did they give shipping priority to people who paid for different shipping speeds? |
| 00:25.04 | mwester | ab0oo: Except that the OM images are built from a different repository, so you won't be able to build it with the OE image you already have. |
| 00:25.11 | ieatlint | ozzloy, it's possible UPS did |
| 00:25.12 | ozzloy | like grouping all the 2day orders together and shipping them first |
| 00:25.19 | ieatlint | UPS is the one sending out the confirmation emails |
| 00:25.23 | kelvie_work | any Canadians get theirs? :p |
| 00:25.35 | jakob__ | ahh I hate this wiki syntax :( *just need to vent my anger* ;) |
| 00:25.37 | ozzloy | i thought canada was a myth |
| 00:25.37 | ab0oo | mwester: I'm not sure I have the correct vocabulary to describe how much that sucks. |
| 00:25.58 | ozzloy | kelvie_work: jk |
| 00:26.05 | mwester | It sucked worse when every OE commit seemed to break OM. |
| 00:26.19 | edistar | already has his FR ;) |
| 00:26.25 | ab0oo | so om branched oe? |
| 00:26.37 | ieatlint | mugs edistar |
| 00:26.56 | mwester | Yep. They merge back and forth at various points in development. |
| 00:26.59 | leinirAWAY | right... so far i'm most impressed with the qtopia image (not ASU, qtopia proper), it runs really smoothly :) |
| 00:27.03 | chillywilly | mmm, lint |
| 00:27.08 | leinirAWAY | and on that note, bedtime :) |
| 00:27.25 | chillywilly | where is qtopia proper? |
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| 00:27.33 | ab0oo | shudders at the OE/OM issues |
| 00:27.38 | chillywilly | so many flippin firmwares...it's all so confusing |
| 00:27.54 | ieatlint | oh, and newegg is stilling 8gb micro sdhc for $40 plus $7 for 3 biz day shipping (transcend or a-data, $55 for sandisk) |
| 00:28.00 | edistar | chillywilly: no qtopia proper atm |
| 00:28.04 | chillywilly | does the W.E. phone people run their own build on the FR? |
| 00:28.22 | ieatlint | and newegg has the best customer service of any computer retailed i've ever dealt with... |
| 00:28.28 | chillywilly | I wonder if I should but an SD card |
| 00:28.31 | chillywilly | like now |
| 00:28.36 | rwhitby | has anyone determined that the W.E. phone is anything more than vapourware at the moment? |
| 00:28.51 | bricode | rwhitby: The hardware exists. |
| 00:28.54 | budfive | what's WE? |
| 00:29.00 | gmaxwell | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.00 | gmaxwell | Shipping & Handling: $6.99 |
| 00:29.00 | gmaxwell | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.00 | gmaxwell | Total for this Order: $40.44 |
| 00:29.00 | gmaxwell | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.00 | gmaxwell | Shipping estimate for these items: July 7, 2008 - July 8, 2008 |
| 00:29.02 | gmaxwell | 1 "SanDisk 8GB microSDHC Card (SDSDQ-8192, Bulk Package)" |
| 00:29.03 | rwhitby | bricode: of course, it's just a FR. |
| 00:29.04 | gmaxwell | $33.45 |
| 00:29.10 | rwhitby | but hardware is only half what they are selling |
| 00:29.33 | rwhitby | I purport the software to do all the things they list on their site is vapourware. |
| 00:29.33 | bricode | rwhitby: True. We'll be shipping next week. Waiting on customs. |
| 00:29.46 | chillywilly | checks out newegg |
| 00:29.50 | johngay | But the gizmondo hardware existed too. |
| 00:29.54 | rwhitby | bricode: you're from W.E. ? |
| 00:30.03 | bricode | rwhitby: Yes. |
| 00:30.13 | rwhitby | oh, what software stack are you running? |
| 00:30.28 | rwhitby | a derivative of one of the OM or OE builds, or a home-grown? |
| 00:30.43 | ieatlint | anyone have any experience with those zagg invisibleshield things? ... i'm wondering if it's worthwhile |
| 00:30.44 | bricode | rwhitby: We are shipping the Openmoko stack until Android is released. |
| 00:31.23 | rwhitby | bricode: ok, cool. Nothing wrong with marketing a future set of features, as long as those buying from you know exactly what the current set of features is .. |
| 00:31.47 | rwhitby | Android on the FR will be a nice device. Hope you guys are successful. |
| 00:31.56 | chillywilly | wth is "the" openmoko stack...there's at least 3 stacks that I know of ;) |
| 00:32.02 | linuxxr | mayby tomorrow they will has more boxes |
| 00:32.14 | mmontour | bricode: are you guys also reselling debug boards, or just the phones? |
| 00:33.07 | bricode | rwhitby: I can't really comment on Android, but can say that we have been working with Google in some capacity. |
| 00:33.12 | linuxxr | can u buy all the spare parts for the freerunner in the future? |
| 00:33.14 | rwhitby | bricode: I presume you don't have advance access to Android source code yet, just the open source Goldfish kernel code. Correct? |
| 00:33.24 | rwhitby | (oh, maybe you do then) |
| 00:33.40 | rwhitby | understood that you probably can't answer that then :-) |
| 00:34.04 | bricode | mmontour: We're looking at possibly stocking the debug boards. |
| 00:34.17 | ljp | i work with google in some capacity too.. as a search engine! |
| 00:34.18 | jakob__ | The last thing I heard was, that it will take quite some time for the android stack to run on the moko. At least until the source is released there won't be a real chance because of the arm4 arm5 incompatabilities. |
| 00:34.22 | linuxxr | searching rfor good openmoko code for android? |
| 00:34.39 | bricode | mmontour: Unless you're doing something *really* funky, you probably won't need it. |
| 00:34.51 | ab0oo | GAH. 45 minutes wasted going back and forth with our QA people, just to find out they're 200 revisions behind what I've got checked into revision control. <needed to vent> |
| 00:34.52 | rwhitby | ljp: I do paid work for Google - they send me money for displaying their ads :-) |
| 00:34.58 | chillywilly | isn't OE based on debian? |
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| 00:35.31 | rwhitby | jakob__: the incompatibilities are really at the binary level - once you have source they should be able to be overcome |
| 00:35.35 | bricode | jakob__: That is correct. The problem lies in the fact that the current Android stuff is compiled for Armv5 instructions plus thumb extensions. It's the thumb extensions that currently prevent it from running on the FR. |
| 00:36.02 | rwhitby | bricode: you've changed my perception of the W.E. effort now - thanks for the concrete information. |
| 00:36.22 | bricode | rwhitby: We want to see the phone be a success, and are working towards that. |
| 00:36.24 | ljp | mmontour: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 |
| 00:36.34 | ab0oo | repeats the earlier question: "What is W.E." |
| 00:36.36 | jakob__ | bricode: yeah thats what I heard. Therefore there will be no chance of running it, before the sources are released and it can be compiled for armv4 |
| 00:36.39 | johngay | See? Not everyone at google is evil, just Pitr (= |
| 00:36.56 | ljp | yes, what is "W.E"? |
| 00:37.10 | bricode | rwhitby: We also want to lower the barrier for people to acquire these phones. Those with the time and determination can refer people for free Google Apps to earn credit towards a phone. |
| 00:37.11 | chillywilly | http://www.koolu.com |
| 00:37.17 | bricode | WorksEverywhere. |
| 00:37.30 | johngay | The hardware for running Adroid on. |
| 00:37.40 | weatherhead | anyone here from the UK? |
| 00:37.40 | rwhitby | bricode: so you guys have a working skype implementation on the FR? http://koolu.com/WE-Phone/Skype-Service.html |
| 00:38.04 | SpeedEvil | Ys. |
| 00:38.06 | SpeedEvil | Yes |
| 00:38.10 | mmontour | bricode: I like to do funky things that require a debug board :) |
| 00:38.23 | bricode | mmontour: Fair enough. |
| 00:38.44 | weatherhead | do you have an OM device? |
| 00:39.00 | jakob__ | ahh finally this accelerometer article is finished and saved in the wiki. I am going to sleep now :) cu tomorrow guys |
| 00:39.03 | SpeedEvil | weatherhead: 1973 |
| 00:39.15 | bricode | rwhitby: No, but we are working on a similar VoIP service. Beyond that, I can't really comment. |
| 00:39.15 | SpeedEvil | jakob__: technical:accelerometer - read? |
| 00:39.24 | weatherhead | SpeedEvil: are you planning to get the freerunner? |
| 00:39.33 | ljp | qtopia had voip... |
| 00:39.35 | SpeedEvil | weatherhead: I can't at this time - no# |
| 00:39.35 | johngay | What is the Need for the debug board??? |
| 00:39.40 | SpeedEvil | $ |
| 00:39.43 | SpeedEvil | johncylee: none |
| 00:39.46 | rwhitby | bricode: So http://koolu.com/WE-Phone/Skype-Service.html is a bit misleading isn't it? |
| 00:39.49 | SpeedEvil | johngay: none |
| 00:40.01 | SpeedEvil | johngay: you don't need it as a normal user basically. |
| 00:40.04 | jakob__ | SpeedEvil: I just wrote a little article about howto access the accel. data: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval |
| 00:40.06 | rwhitby | (it clearly says "Skype" and is under the W.E. area) |
| 00:40.09 | SpeedEvil | johngay: you can't even brick it. |
| 00:40.16 | SpeedEvil | jakob__: ah |
| 00:40.18 | chillywilly | there's some pretty cheap 8GB SD cards on newegg.com |
| 00:40.26 | SpeedEvil | jakob__: added it to the accelerometer category? |
| 00:40.26 | nullpuppy | debug board is needed ONLY if you want to mess with the NOR |
| 00:40.35 | jakob__ | SpeedEvil: sure |
| 00:40.36 | nullpuppy | and you really don't need to do that, so... |
| 00:40.42 | retracile_ | ordered the debug board out of principle ;) |
| 00:40.45 | bricode | rwhitby: Perhaps it is filed under the wrong section of the website. |
| 00:40.45 | weatherhead | so what is the deal with the freerunner then? What stack is preinstalled on it when it ships |
| 00:40.54 | gmaxwell | chillywilly, remember.. microsd not sd. |
| 00:41.06 | johngay | So, you only need the debug board if you want to brick your FreeRunner then, right? |
| 00:41.07 | bricode | rwhitby: Looking at it, you make a good point. |
| 00:41.14 | chillywilly | ok |
| 00:41.16 | SpeedEvil | johngay: basically |
| 00:41.28 | SpeedEvil | johngay: or if you need to do JTAG debugging |
| 00:41.39 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 00:41.50 | johngay | Which involves bricking your phone (= |
| 00:41.51 | mmontour | Well, the serial console can be useful too (real serial, not USB) |
| 00:41.54 | zash | jakob__: is the second image meant to be Accelerometer_orientation2.png ? |
| 00:42.03 | nullpuppy | johngay: pretty much :) |
| 00:42.11 | rwhitby | bricode: the rest of the site looks good now - last time I looked (a number of months ago) it was short of facts, but that has now been corrected all except for that skype page |
| 00:42.25 | jakob__ | zash: hmm you are right I will change it :) |
| 00:42.32 | zash | :D |
| 00:42.32 | bricode | rwhitby: You're right in that it's more applicable to the W.E. Appliance at the moment. |
| 00:42.43 | johngay | I want a W.E. phone with the virtual keyboard (= |
| 00:43.08 | jakob__ | zash: fixed :) thanks for the info |
| 00:43.22 | jakob__ | but now I really need to get some sleep :) gn8 all |
| 00:43.29 | bricode | johngay: It's very close. The virtual keyboard runs under linux as a bluetooth device. |
| 00:43.33 | johngay | nite, jakob |
| 00:43.41 | ab0oo | jakob__: well written wiki article. thanks. |
| 00:43.41 | rwhitby | bricode: the front page also says "The W.E. Phone allows you the freedom to use the cellular carrier of your choice for both phone and data as well as the option of accessing the Internet from WiFi networks, which will also enable you to place phone calls using VoIP services such as Skype." |
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| 00:44.03 | bricode | johngay: just needs some configuration foo. |
| 00:44.20 | johngay | So far, I can only find BT and USB virtual keyboards for >$175 |
| 00:44.38 | rwhitby | bricode: "such as Skype" when referring to non-Skype services looses you credibility |
| 00:44.45 | bricode | johngay: yes, they are pretty pricey at the moment. |
| 00:45.01 | mmontour | ljp: thanks for the image. I've downloaded it but I won't have time to test it until tomorrow. |
| 00:45.26 | bricode | rwhitby: I would generally agree, except that for the general public, it's difficult for people to understand what VoIP is. |
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| 00:46.11 | bricode | rwhitby: We're looking to bridge from the extremely technically inclined to a more average end user. |
| 00:46.13 | rwhitby | bricode: that is true. Perhaps you need an asterisk and a footnote (* VoIP services like Skype does not actually include Skype proprietary protocols.) |
| 00:46.33 | bricode | rwhitby: Duly noted. Thank you. |
| 00:47.05 | sitwon | FINALLY got my UPS email |
| 00:47.18 | rwhitby | bricode: especially when the Skpe word hyperlinks to that other page :-) |
| 00:47.29 | nullpuppy | sitwon: woot! did you update the wiki page? |
| 00:47.34 | nullpuppy | and what number? |
| 00:47.52 | sitwon | nullpuppy: yes, 1669 |
| 00:48.14 | nullpuppy | awesome :) |
| 00:49.39 | sitwon | damn, I wish I didn't have to be at the office tomorrow or I'd totally work from home so I could wait for it |
| 00:49.52 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 00:49.59 | nullpuppy | i have to wait until monday :/ |
| 00:50.04 | nullpuppy | thankfully have monday off from work though |
| 00:50.29 | sitwon | I'm working Monday so that I can get Friday off (for The Last HOPE in NY) |
| 00:51.02 | rwhitby | bricode: thx for taking the comments on board. I'll be able to talk about you guys in a positive tone now :-) |
| 00:51.15 | chillywilly | blah... |
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| 00:51.32 | bricode | rwhitby: We do some things to see what gets attention and what doesn't. |
| 00:51.33 | wastrel | sitwon: are you bringing a freerunner? |
| 00:51.43 | sitwon | wastrel: of course |
| 00:51.57 | bricode | rwhitby: They say that the worst thing in marketing is not that bad things are being said about you, but rather nothing is being said at all. |
| 00:51.59 | nullpuppy | sitwon: awesome! I wish i could go to HOPE :/ |
| 00:52.08 | nullpuppy | stuck out on the wrong coast though... |
| 00:52.13 | wastrel | i wanna seeeeeeee |
| 00:52.17 | rwhitby | bricode: yeah, that's true. :-) |
| 00:52.23 | wastrel | i'mma be out of town tho sigh |
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| 00:53.09 | sitwon | nullpuppy: I know the feeling, I really wanted to back to DefCon this year |
| 00:53.38 | wastrel | i'll repeat my request for a nyc area moko dev to talk at nylug |
| 00:54.45 | ab0oo | does anyone have a source for a USB mini-b to A female adapter, so I can hook a USB client up to the FR? |
| 00:54.51 | ab0oo | for example, a USB keyboard. |
| 00:54.58 | Dave | Yep |
| 00:55.27 | Dave | Many retail stores seem not to carry them, but online, they appear to be plentiful :) |
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| 00:57.42 | nullpuppy | sitwon: yeah, DefCon would be awesome too. Haven't been back since.. 11? something like that. |
| 00:59.26 | ab0oo | Dave: indeed, you are correct. google was my friend, after all. |
| 00:59.34 | Dave | :) |
| 00:59.35 | ozzloy | nullpuppy: a buddy of mine is giving a talk at defcon |
| 00:59.38 | Dave | Yeah I bought some recently ;) |
| 00:59.49 | nullpuppy | ozzloy: awesome ;) what on? |
| 01:00.06 | ozzloy | nullpuppy: good question. something security related. i'll ask |
| 01:00.14 | retracile | Has the FR been verified to work with 8GB microsSDHC cards? I only saw a reference to 4GB... |
| 01:01.03 | mmontour | retractile: yes, see the msg from Ian Douglas on the community ML |
| 01:01.41 | SpeedEvil | In principle any compliant SDHC should work |
| 01:01.46 | ab0oo | Dave, is there something magical needed to "Tell" the FR that it's a USB master, not slave, or does it auto-detect? |
| 01:02.02 | Dave | it should? I think :x |
| 01:02.08 | Dave | Don't quote me on it, though :D |
| 01:02.11 | nullpuppy | ozzloy: awesome ;) |
| 01:02.16 | nullpuppy | alright, gotta go, bbl... |
| 01:02.18 | SpeedEvil | It's 'just' a dumb unit that's talking to the SD. |
| 01:02.32 | cjb | woot, just got tracking number |
| 01:02.34 | cjb | #1827 |
| 01:02.35 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't have any smarts to get it wrong - if it's wrong, it's software. |
| 01:02.37 | mmontour | s/retractile/retracile/ |
| 01:02.44 | ozzloy | nullpuppy: he says he can't tell more, software's not done yet |
| 01:02.53 | nullpuppy | hehe, alright |
| 01:02.57 | ozzloy | nullpuppy: "so much awesome" |
| 01:03.25 | ab0oo | Dave: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host I'm thinking that might be the same for the GTA02 |
| 01:03.26 | ozzloy | sounds like a defcon thing to say |
| 01:03.51 | SpeedEvil | Similar to that ab0oo: but FR has power |
| 01:03.55 | retracile | mmontour: thanks, I'd missed that scanning the archives. |
| 01:04.02 | Dave | I would assume so :) |
| 01:04.05 | Dave | powar! |
| 01:04.34 | ab0oo | I like the description of the three-headed cable. |
| 01:04.49 | ab0oo | I'll build one of those tonight |
| 01:05.37 | mmontour | pokes Dave with a stick to remind him to put his BT headset info onto the wiki |
| 01:06.03 | ab0oo | ljp: wow, the "official" qtopia build is gorgeous |
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| 01:06.46 | cjb | ab0oo: shame it doesn't let you make calls :_ |
| 01:07.07 | Jacen | hai gueyz, wuts goin on in dis thrad/!?1/ |
| 01:07.13 | Jacen | <_<; |
| 01:07.34 | Jacen | *Ahem* Anyhoo, what's this about something not letting you make calls? |
| 01:08.28 | cjb | there's only one software stack that lets you actually make calls reliably, and it's not the pretty qtopia one |
| 01:08.42 | Jacen | Yes you mean. ;D |
| 01:08.43 | ab0oo | cjb: crap, you're rught. |
| 01:08.44 | Jacen | *Yet |
| 01:08.53 | ab0oo | I mean, I can MAKE calls, but there's no audio |
| 01:08.59 | Jacen | Haha. |
| 01:08.59 | Jacen | o_o |
| 01:09.18 | Jacen | That's buggered up, but it isn't a stable phone after all. |
| 01:09.30 | ljp | cjb: what do you mean it doesnt let you make calls |
| 01:09.42 | Jacen | By the by, anyone know what order number (In the thousands) we're at now, shipping wise? |
| 01:10.10 | cjb | ljp: like ab0oo said. |
| 01:10.22 | cjb | Jacen: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Where_is_my_Freerunner%3F |
| 01:10.27 | cjb | 3032 |
| 01:10.44 | Jacen | Oh, kinky. Thanks for the link. |
| 01:10.51 | ljp | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.00 | ab0oo | ljp: I just called my landline from my freshly flashed qtopia "official" image, and I got no receive or transmit audio. |
| 01:11.24 | ljp | ab0oo: ^^^ |
| 01:11.32 | ab0oo | is there a web page or a doc for that, ljp, or just knowing the right person? |
| 01:12.01 | cjb | cool. Is there anything else stopping qtopia from functioning as a phone? |
| 01:12.09 | cjb | I think there was some gsmd problem? |
| 01:12.23 | ljp | qtopia doesnt use gsmd |
| 01:12.33 | cjb | oh. how does it work? |
| 01:12.46 | ljp | ab0oo: I am the right person. am updating the images in the next minutes |
| 01:13.02 | ljp | cjb: qtopia uses its own stuff |
| 01:13.03 | ab0oo | is it worth the upgrade from what I just flashed? |
| 01:13.31 | ljp | the only change would be to fix the audiohardware plugin. the quickfix is that ln -s line |
| 01:13.31 | ab0oo | dumb question. If I didn't like the bleeding edge, I wouldn't be using a freerunner |
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| 01:13.41 | ab0oo | mmkay, then. |
| 01:13.56 | retracile | ljp: Is the qtopia image completely OpenSource, or are there proprietary bits in it? (And if the latter, to what extent?) |
| 01:13.58 | ab0oo | I was going to put it on the wiki, but I'll let you do your magic. |
| 01:14.01 | cjb | ljp: okay. any idea if the stack works well other than that? |
| 01:14.40 | chillywilly | this is the image linked from qtopia.net a little earlier? |
| 01:14.58 | ljp | yes |
| 01:15.34 | chillywilly | cool |
| 01:16.22 | ab0oo | if I could have any more children, I'd name the next boy "Lorn" |
| 01:17.10 | retracile | ab0oo: as a middle name? So the first could be "Fore" ? |
| 01:17.54 | ab0oo | I was thinking of my new Qtopia hero, but that would work, too. Problem is, in middle school someone would give him the new middle name of "Skin", and that would be a wreck. |
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| 01:18.02 | johngay | I was gonna name my son Mortimer. |
| 01:18.41 | SpeedEvil | Ima. |
| 01:18.49 | SpeedEvil | Or Ura. |
| 01:18.56 | johngay | Then he would be Mor Gay then his Grandfather who's Les Gay |
| 01:18.57 | cjb | Ima Evil? |
| 01:19.20 | cjb | was thinking of Crystal. |
| 01:19.36 | SpeedEvil | Crystal has been somewhat devalued. |
| 01:19.48 | johngay | Funny, I named my Daughter Irene Mary |
| 01:19.50 | SpeedEvil | Tip - when picking a girls name. |
| 01:19.55 | SpeedEvil | google-image search with safeseach off. |
| 01:19.57 | cjb | SpeedEvil: see my last name :) |
| 01:20.11 | cjb | haha |
| 01:20.26 | cjb | my wife wanted to name our potential-daughter Zoe |
| 01:20.40 | cjb | and if you google Zoe Ball with safesearch off, you'll see why I don't want to |
| 01:20.42 | SpeedEvil | Shiny, with middle name Disco |
| 01:21.19 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 01:21.27 | SpeedEvil | Margeret Octavia? |
| 01:22.33 | cjb | I wonder what the cute shortened version of Octavia is |
| 01:22.37 | cjb | "Octy"? |
| 01:22.47 | SpeedEvil | (Madge 8) |
| 01:23.00 | cjb | haha |
| 01:24.07 | chillywilly | my daughter's name is Emily |
| 01:25.39 | Dave | :o |
| 01:26.13 | johngay | Brian Kerr, former manager of the Irish Football team named his son Wayne. |
| 01:26.43 | cjb | guy's got guts. |
| 01:26.52 | cjb | Genevieve can be shortened to Gene, that would work |
| 01:27.18 | johngay | I was on a ship with a guy named John Bush who married a woman named Rose. |
| 01:27.27 | cjb | knew a Star Plant. |
| 01:27.32 | Dave | So what exactly are we doing tonight? Naming cjb's daughter? |
| 01:27.36 | johngay | He named his son Harry. |
| 01:27.38 | cjb | (she married into the surname) |
| 01:27.44 | chillywilly | cjb: that is funny |
| 01:27.44 | cjb | Dave: I'm really not sure |
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| 01:28.14 | chillywilly | what's the diff between the NAND and NOR flash? |
| 01:28.27 | SpeedEvil | chillywilly: NAND is the 128M main flash |
| 01:28.37 | HAL9000 | I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that. |
| 01:28.52 | SpeedEvil | chillywilly: NORis the 2M? flash you can only write with the ebug board that's an emergency recovery uboot |
| 01:29.26 | chillywilly | ok |
| 01:29.42 | chillywilly | I purchasd a debug board as well... |
| 01:29.52 | chillywilly | should be loads of fun |
| 01:30.00 | retracile | agrees |
| 01:30.13 | johngay | Enough comedy from me. It's time for bed. I'll be here all week (= |
| 01:30.38 | johngay | Good nite and you've been a great audience! |
| 01:31.12 | SpeedEvil | cjb: Roland |
| 01:32.27 | retracile | cjb: for a boy: Buck. :) |
| 01:32.40 | SpeedEvil | Buckminster |
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| 01:33.13 | retracile | SpeedEvil: I was going for the "Bucky" nickname |
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| 01:33.31 | cjb | yeah, heard that one before :) |
| 01:33.51 | retracile | cjb: yeah, figured |
| 01:33.51 | SpeedEvil | Loofa |
| 01:35.35 | retracile | cjb: Bet she'll be a beautiful bouncing baby. ;) |
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| 01:36.27 | cjb | retracile: *groan* |
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| 01:36.43 | cjb | someone joked my wife should get pregnant so that she can be a Ball Bearing. |
| 01:36.51 | retracile | cjb: heh. I expected you'd heard that that one before. |
| 01:36.54 | retracile | ha! |
| 01:37.18 | retracile | ... and "round as" too, I'm sure. |
| 01:38.06 | cjb | retracile: given that no-one's actually pregnant yet, we've missed the brunt of the jokes so far :) |
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| 01:39.13 | retracile | cjb: Well, best of luck. I have one of each. It's a blast. :) |
| 01:39.40 | cjb | :) |
| 01:40.01 | johngay | Just keep practicing (= |
| 01:40.30 | Dave | Do we have a wiki page yet on Bluetooth for the Freerunner? |
| 01:40.38 | cjb | ah, not gonna be for another year or so. I'm 26. |
| 01:40.53 | SpeedEvil | Dave: I think it's mostly identical. |
| 01:41.18 | retracile | cjb: famous last words. ;P |
| 01:41.23 | SpeedEvil | Dave: the bluetooth on file may be different. |
| 01:41.50 | Dave | bluetooth system status? |
| 01:42.01 | Dave | the files are different |
| 01:42.11 | Dave | and has there really been -no- progress in that department? |
| 01:42.23 | ChandleWEi | how to change timezone? |
| 01:42.42 | ChandleWEi | exec tzselect have some problem |
| 01:43.28 | kd8ikt | /etc/localtime? |
| 01:43.28 | johngay | cjb: You saying your not gonna practice for another year or two? |
| 01:43.43 | cjb | johngay: steady on :) |
| 01:43.43 | ChandleWEi | cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/CST6CDT /etc/localtime? |
| 01:44.07 | rivalarrival | killall humans |
| 01:44.16 | mwester | Use a sym link, ChandleWEi |
| 01:44.18 | ab0oo | ChandleWEi: I just made a wiki update about timezones |
| 01:44.23 | johngay | You had me worried for a minute there. |
| 01:44.28 | Dave | :P |
| 01:44.30 | ab0oo | use a symlink is the right answer |
| 01:44.41 | Dave | it's some long and complicated procedure involving ntp/ntpd |
| 01:44.45 | Dave | ;) |
| 01:44.47 | ChandleWEi | ab)oo: where I can get it ? |
| 01:44.47 | Dave | yeah that too |
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| 01:45.05 | kd8ikt | i like the idea of having time synced only when wifi is up |
| 01:45.26 | kd8ikt | otherwise i'm not gonna waste my expensive GPRS data transfers |
| 01:46.10 | kd8ikt | i hear the moko sucks at keeping accurate time without ntp |
| 01:46.19 | kd8ikt | is this true? |
| 01:46.34 | ChandleWEi | Dave: I'm just rdate to sync my time |
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| 01:48.43 | Dave | What? |
| 01:48.55 | Dave | You just use rdate? well, goody for you. |
| 01:49.47 | ChandleWEi | Dave: where I can get more information about openmoko's timezone |
| 01:50.30 | Dave | Hmm? |
| 01:51.31 | Dave | date +%Z? although I'm not so sure that's what you wanted :D |
| 01:51.47 | wurp2|truly_away | kd8ikt: Not afaik |
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| 01:52.10 | wurp2|truly_away | kd8ikt: but it does lose the time often because you take the battery out for too long |
| 01:52.20 | SpeedEvil | you only need timezone |
| 01:52.20 | SpeedEvil | GPS gives you accurate time |
| 01:52.22 | Dave | right |
| 01:52.23 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:52.27 | SpeedEvil | don't know about the accuracy of the timekeeping |
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| 01:52.29 | Dave | which made me think it's somewhat pointless |
| 01:52.52 | Dave | bah, UTC :p |
| 01:53.16 | dontknow | sets it in /etc/profile |
| 01:53.20 | Dave | Speedevil, and where are the state files on the gta02? |
| 01:53.25 | ChandleWEi | I just would change UTC to CST |
| 01:53.31 | dontknow | jo |
| 01:53.32 | Dave | heh, yeah |
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| 01:54.50 | ChandleWEi | but I don't know how to ,tzselect can't use and under /usr/share/zoneinfo/ not my city |
| 01:55.06 | Dave | o.O |
| 01:55.08 | linuxxr | who bought the first freerunner in the usa |
| 01:55.33 | Dave | WE did (here) |
| 01:55.46 | Dave | Unless you're talking people who got an order number. |
| 01:55.52 | Dave | like individuals |
| 01:55.52 | linuxxr | did the orders start at 1000? |
| 01:55.53 | Dave | hides |
| 01:56.11 | linuxxr | o? |
| 01:56.12 | Dave | linuxxr, but, who will buy the millionth freerunner? :D |
| 01:56.23 | Dave | (provided there will even be one) |
| 01:56.24 | SpeedEvil | The order numbers are not 1:1 with the orders |
| 01:56.29 | linuxxr | how many so far? |
| 01:56.34 | rtm | linuxxr: I think so. Order 1367 arrived today. |
| 01:56.38 | linuxxr | worldwide |
| 01:56.38 | SpeedEvil | there are several per order., and some holes in the sequence. |
| 01:57.33 | linuxxr | did it start with 0 |
| 01:57.40 | linuxxr | or 1000 |
| 01:57.44 | SpeedEvil | I'd guess 1.5K might be a reasonable guess. |
| 01:57.59 | SpeedEvil | The confirmation numbers will not - AIUI - increment with foreign orders. |
| 01:58.08 | linuxxr | right |
| 01:58.27 | SpeedEvil | My stupid graph implies 740 or so. |
| 01:58.50 | SpeedEvil | From the US store |
| 01:58.57 | rtm | SPeedEvil: Do 10-packs count as 1 or 10 on your graph? |
| 01:59.41 | SpeedEvil | rtp: it seems that the software is smart enough to add them up |
| 01:59.43 | linuxxr | 12 left |
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| 02:00.21 | SpeedEvil | rtp: butg I may be completely off, for some reason I don't understand. |
| 02:00.35 | linuxxr | proly got another pallet of them |
| 02:00.50 | Dave | Why don't I have bluetooth state files? :p |
| 02:03.53 | rivalarrival | Another week. Almost wish I had paid for the faster shipping. |
| 02:04.00 | linuxxr | ahhhh |
| 02:04.07 | linuxxr | what for |
| 02:04.29 | linuxxr | since they are going slow anyways |
| 02:04.36 | retracile | hopes UPS will deliver earlier than they claim |
| 02:04.57 | Dave | Highly unlikely. |
| 02:04.59 | Dave | If anything, later. |
| 02:05.17 | retracile | Why do you say that? |
| 02:05.22 | Dave | With UPS the only thing you hope for is that no one opened, crushed, or stepped in your box :) |
| 02:05.23 | linuxxr | i need a track # |
| 02:05.30 | linuxxr | :) |
| 02:05.40 | budfive | fedex loses stuff, and then refused to fix their problems |
| 02:05.42 | budfive | ups > fedex |
| 02:05.58 | rivalarrival | linuxxr: I've got one, would you like to share? |
| 02:05.59 | linuxxr | their people take it |
| 02:06.06 | linuxxr | lol |
| 02:06.17 | Dave | fedex is the best. |
| 02:06.25 | Dave | though dhl has gotten good over the years. |
| 02:06.40 | rivalarrival | No fair hacking UPS, diverting my shipment... |
| 02:06.50 | linuxxr | mines on the slo boat |
| 02:06.52 | Dave | hah |
| 02:06.57 | Dave | TOOT |
| 02:07.11 | Dave | haha so now you guys are jacking a boat? hah. |
| 02:08.21 | rivalarrival | Shh... Not so loud. |
| 02:08.25 | linuxxr | off the coase of somolia wanna come? |
| 02:09.01 | Dave | nah |
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| 02:09.06 | Dave | too volatile over there. |
| 02:09.11 | Dave | I'll wait until they get here |
| 02:09.22 | Dave | then just accuse them of terrorism again, and take their loot :p |
| 02:09.27 | linuxxr | then hac em |
| 02:09.31 | Dave | winnar :p |
| 02:09.32 | wurp2|truly_away | Anyone have 2007.2 installed on a gta01? |
| 02:09.46 | wurp2|truly_away | If so, can you send me the output of "opkg list_installed"? |
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| 02:13.41 | Arg0naut | has anyone tried the qtopia image on the freerunner? |
| 02:14.16 | dontknow | wurp2|truly_away: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080710/Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080710-om-gta01-testlab/installed-packages.txt ;) |
| 02:19.06 | rivalarrival | Any thoughts on using the openmoko with the sensors in a wii remote? |
| 02:19.54 | rtm | "opkg install gpsd" fails on my new Freerunner, even after an "opkg update". Does anyone know what must be done to install gpsd on a Freerunner? |
| 02:20.17 | SpeedEvil | rtm: sure it's not there? |
| 02:20.36 | SpeedEvil | ead: No it won't. |
| 02:20.38 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 02:20.41 | rtm | SpeedEvil? Is it preloaded? It wasn't on the neo1973... |
| 02:20.57 | wurp2|truly_away | rtm: signature download warnings are not failures |
| 02:21.31 | rtm | I got "Cannot find package gpsd." |
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| 02:24.07 | wurp2|truly_away | rtm: Heh, that's probably a problem :-) |
| 02:24.24 | rtm | I could hardly agree more. |
| 02:24.28 | wurp2|truly_away | .ScaredyCat's repository will fix it |
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| 02:32.49 | retracile | Can the FR take advantage of the speed of a class 6 microSDHC card? |
| 02:34.23 | retracile | I'm inclined to go with a 4GB card if it means faster data transfers than the 8GB. |
| 02:34.26 | SpeedEvil | It can go at a theoretical maximum - if it's only limited by the bus - of 7 megabytes/sec |
| 02:34.43 | SpeedEvil | GTA01 goes at 3M/s with a card which will do 12M/s in a readder |
| 02:35.52 | sontek | so what number are we up to on shipments? |
| 02:36.23 | SpeedEvil | Over 9000! |
| 02:36.25 | retracile | SpeedEvil: Sounds like it would definitely be worth eschewing the class 2's for the class 4 cards. |
| 02:36.39 | SpeedEvil | retracile: I have no idea of the real speed on FR |
| 02:36.39 | sontek | SpeedEvil: by 9000 you mean like 1500? :P |
| 02:36.46 | SpeedEvil | pokes everyone with a FR. |
| 02:37.05 | SpeedEvil | sontek: I dunno. I think there was a page. |
| 02:37.22 | retracile | SpeedEvil: it's a useful data point none-the-less. |
| 02:37.27 | sontek | I was all excited and paid for extra shipping to make sure I got it fast, and then found it it wasn't going to ship for like a week :P |
| 02:37.44 | sontek | talk about a kick in the balls |
| 02:37.48 | sontek | harshed my mellow! |
| 02:37.52 | cjb | SpeedEvil: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Where_is_my_Freerunner%3F claims highest order is 3032 |
| 02:37.59 | cjb | lowest order is 1068 |
| 02:38.16 | cjb | oh, sontek was asking about shipments |
| 02:38.19 | sontek | Mine is 3030 and I didn't get a confirmation yet |
| 02:38.24 | sontek | so they aren't that high |
| 02:38.45 | cjb | looks like shipping is sojewhere around 1900-2200 |
| 02:38.55 | cjb | my 1827 shipped late today |
| 02:39.18 | retracile | hits refresh on the ups site |
| 02:39.46 | sontek | So they are doing around 200 a day? |
| 02:39.49 | cjb | retracile: I saw that it was gonna take 7 days and decided to stop watching the tracking |
| 02:39.54 | cjb | sontek: there may have been teething pains |
| 02:40.03 | SpeedEvil | Looks like http://www.gemmagarrett.com/images/gallery/gemma3.jpg got 2% of the vote - 519 votes - 20 votes behind the national front. |
| 02:40.05 | cjb | I think they'll get faster at it |
| 02:40.12 | SpeedEvil | oops. |
| 02:40.19 | SpeedEvil | mischan - not very worksafe image. |
| 02:40.32 | SpeedEvil | Was posting about todays bielection in the UK. |
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| 02:40.56 | mwester | bielection not worksafe? |
| 02:41.01 | sontek | yeah, i'm in no rush now :) It was just a spur of the moment "omgz I'm gonna get a moko! *pays to have it in 2 days*" |
| 02:41.22 | SpeedEvil | mwester: she - the picture - was a candidate for the Miss Great Britain party. |
| 02:41.28 | cjb | didn't realize there was such a difference between ground and 2day |
| 02:41.53 | sontek | ground is slow :P |
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| 02:44.39 | mwester | wishes American elections had more interesting parties, too. :D |
| 02:45.41 | sontek | wishes we'd choose good presidents when we had elections |
| 02:45.50 | sontek | once we get the voting right, i'll start wishing for hotties |
| 02:46.26 | SpeedEvil | This one was the record number of candidates. |
| 02:46.27 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haltemprice_and_Howden_%28UK_Parliament_constituency%29 |
| 02:47.17 | SpeedEvil | s/was/had/ |
| 02:49.42 | ieatlint | heh, i'm building a emu image now... whoever set up the smp support did it such that it's running wget in parallel |
| 02:54.20 | johnsu01 | http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_real_reasons_to_avoid_iPhone_3G for anyone who has a digg account and would like to cast a vote for the freerunner :) |
| 02:55.19 | kelvie | hmm.. anyone from Canada get their shipment notification yet? |
| 02:55.45 | LetoTo | kelvie: me |
| 02:55.57 | kelvie | LetoTo: what was your order number? |
| 02:55.59 | LetoTo | It's stuck in San Jose, will only get here in 6 days :( |
| 02:56.01 | LetoTo | 1344 |
| 02:56.03 | kelvie | ah |
| 02:56.18 | kelvie | mine hasn't come yet :/ seems like everyone around me has theirs already |
| 02:56.22 | kelvie | I'm 1724 though |
| 02:56.31 | kelvie | and paid for the.. 65 dollar shipping |
| 02:56.36 | LetoTo | kelvie around you in canada? |
| 02:56.44 | kelvie | in order # :p |
| 02:56.50 | LetoTo | i picked teh default, since all options involved getting raped by UPS |
| 02:57.02 | kelvie | you pay the same for the 15 dollar one |
| 02:57.11 | kelvie | they'll tack on a brokerage fee of ~ 50 dollars if you go by ground |
| 02:57.19 | kelvie | it'll just get up here slower |
| 02:57.34 | LetoTo | right. |
| 02:57.51 | LetoTo | though they'll also ding us for import duty right? |
| 02:57.59 | kelvie | I've heard from someone that there's no duty |
| 02:58.08 | kelvie | we'll still have to pay GST (and PST/HST where applicable) |
| 02:58.21 | kelvie | + brokerage if by ground |
| 03:00.29 | ieatlint | ok |
| 03:00.35 | LetoTo | air has no brokerage? |
| 03:00.55 | LetoTo | but is $50 more? so it is the same? |
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| 03:01.03 | kelvie | yeah |
| 03:01.10 | kelvie | it's really, really stupid |
| 03:01.17 | doc|home | can I haz phone now? |
| 03:01.17 | linuxxr | #2039 i got no track # yet:) |
| 03:01.35 | doc|home | LetoTo: the same, but faster |
| 03:02.08 | linuxxr | i have 8.19 us dollars tied up in shipping im very concerned about by the way |
| 03:02.22 | kelvie | http://www.ups.com/content/ca/en/shipping/cost/zones/customs_clearance.html |
| 03:02.35 | kelvie | handy reference for us Canuckistans |
| 03:02.36 | LetoTo | damn, should have known that :P |
| 03:02.43 | kelvie | we all find out the hard way :p |
| 03:02.48 | kelvie | well, most of us |
| 03:02.51 | kelvie | to never use UPS |
| 03:03.11 | kelvie | USPS -> Canada Post is 5 bucks |
| 03:03.16 | kelvie | often times without gst/pst as well |
| 03:03.54 | LetoTo | but USPS gives their stuff to Perulator |
| 03:04.04 | LetoTo | which wont deliver to appartment buildings |
| 03:04.12 | LetoTo | and you end up having to go to their deport |
| 03:04.32 | linuxxr | i wanna go pick up a freefruune |
| 03:04.39 | kelvie | do they? I usually get it via Canada Post |
| 03:04.42 | kelvie | ... I think |
| 03:04.45 | LetoTo | i dont understand the retarded mail and banking systems of North America. It's like I'm back in the stone age |
| 03:04.51 | doc|home | LetoTo: purolator have delivered to me in an apartment |
| 03:04.55 | linuxxr | but i dont live in an apartment |
| 03:05.24 | wurp2|truly_away | OK, it's been almost a week |
| 03:05.31 | doc|home | LetoTo: in any case, I'm having mine delivered to work so it's a moot point, purolator would have been fine :/ |
| 03:05.41 | doc|home | wurp2|truly_away: you're not truly away |
| 03:05.44 | wurp2|truly_away | Why the fuck does the OM store server still throw a 500 when a CC payment is declined |
| 03:05.45 | doc|home | wurp|lying |
| 03:05.47 | kelvie | I should have delivered mine to work |
| 03:05.47 | wurp2|truly_away | sorry |
| 03:05.56 | doc|home | haha |
| 03:05.57 | kelvie | that's better |
| 03:05.59 | LetoTo | wonder if there is a larger scale image available of http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/5-reasons-to-avoid-iphone-3g/iphone3g-small.png |
| 03:06.06 | wurp2|lying | nah |
| 03:06.08 | wurp2|lying | it sucks |
| 03:06.15 | kelvie | that won't go over well on digg :p |
| 03:06.20 | kelvie | try reddit |
| 03:06.29 | kelvie | much, much less Apple fanboys |
| 03:06.32 | doc|home | wurp2|lying: I think that's the fault of the processor, not OM, om hands off the processing to some third party |
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| 03:07.10 | wurp2 | That's one crappy processor |
| 03:07.15 | doc|home | "iPhone exposes your whereabouts and provides ways for others to track you without your knowledge." |
| 03:07.21 | doc|home | in fairness, so does *every* phone |
| 03:07.27 | linuxxr | hahaha |
| 03:07.48 | wurp2 | It's even worse than I thought, OM left it like that for 5 days... nope, someone who does it professionally left it like that for god knows how long |
| 03:08.00 | rtm | Does anyone know where the "openmoko-keyboard" package can be found? |
| 03:08.09 | wurp2 | rtm: Nowhere, afiak |
| 03:08.12 | wurp2 | er, afaik |
| 03:08.21 | wurp2 | But ScaredyCat has the matchbox-keyboard one |
| 03:08.31 | linuxxr | pretty soon u wont even hit the ground with a heart attack an the ambulance will already be there |
| 03:08.33 | wurp2 | which looks/works almost identically |
| 03:08.59 | doc|home | johnsu01: ping? |
| 03:09.09 | rtm | wurp2: Do you know how I can make opkg check ScardyCat's repository? |
| 03:09.15 | johnsu01 | doc|home: yes, but if your phone is free software, you could prevent it from doing that (by turning it off) |
| 03:09.34 | johnsu01 | doc|home: proprietary phones allow the carrier to activate the phone remotely |
| 03:09.41 | doc|home | johnsu01: entirely a fair point. Maybe you could add that? |
| 03:09.53 | johnsu01 | LetoTo: I do have a larger scale image if you'd like |
| 03:10.12 | retracile | johnsu01: I didn't know that; got a link handy? |
| 03:10.31 | doc|home | johnsu01: have you checked that when you disable gsm on the freerunner, it actually removes power from the chip with no triggering possible remotely? |
| 03:10.34 | LetoTo | johnsu01:: did you make it? |
| 03:10.42 | doc|home | johnsu01: I'm not saying it doesn't, just, that'd rock :) |
| 03:10.54 | doc|home | freerunner: the phone for drug dealers :D |
| 03:10.59 | johnsu01 | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/12/remotely_eavesd_1.html for example |
| 03:10.59 | LetoTo | johnsu01: who has the copyright on it? I kinda want to put it on a tshirt for Hope next week :) |
| 03:11.14 | doc|home | passes LetoTo a beer |
| 03:11.18 | johnsu01 | LetoTo: It's copyright FSF, you could certainly put it on a shirt if you like, give me your email and I'll send the svg |
| 03:11.19 | KrisAbsinthe | rtm: its listed here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories |
| 03:11.49 | gmaxwell | That FSF article is really good stuff. |
| 03:11.58 | rtm | KrisAbsinthe: Thanks! |
| 03:12.04 | KrisAbsinthe | np |
| 03:12.13 | gmaxwell | Well OpenMoko should be immune to using the phone as a bug.. |
| 03:12.28 | retracile | johnsu01: So I /have/ read that before, and had forgotten. *sigh* Thanks. |
| 03:12.33 | gmaxwell | even if the GSM modem is owned, all its audio depends on the mixer outside of it which is controlled by free software. |
| 03:12.54 | gmaxwell | it could still possibly be used as a tracking beacon, unless the phone can power the radio module down completely. |
| 03:12.56 | doc|home | johnsu01: s/and like other proprietary GPS-enabled phones/and like other proprietary phones/ perhaps? |
| 03:13.01 | LetoTo | gmaxwell: dont use gsm, use voip :) |
| 03:13.04 | doc|home | johnsu01: GPS isn't necessary for location tracking |
| 03:13.18 | LetoTo | is an openswan developer. guess what the first app is going to be :) |
| 03:13.20 | johnsu01 | doc|home: yeah, I considered that (and still am)... GPS just makes the tracking more accurate I guess |
| 03:13.26 | gmaxwell | LetoTo, right, but if power isn't turned off to the GSM modem completely.... |
| 03:13.31 | doc|home | johnsu01: aye |
| 03:13.44 | doc|home | johnsu01: now I kinda wish I did have time to read this earlier :) |
| 03:14.22 | mwester | The only way to completly remove power from the GSM on the freerunner (and the neo, too) is to pull out the battery along with the external charger. |
| 03:15.12 | doc|home | johnsu01: very nice article |
| 03:15.50 | gmaxwell | mwester, the power traces to the gsm modem wouldn't happen to be on an outer layer of the board would they? |
| 03:16.03 | mwester | :0 dunno, actually. |
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| 03:16.10 | retracile | likes the way gmaxwell thinks :) |
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| 03:17.51 | johnsu01 | doc|home: thanks! |
| 03:18.12 | gmaxwell | also, how does the modem connect? does it have exposed pins or is it a bga part? ... if it has exposed pins someone could cut the power wire and redirect it giving the phone a kill switch. ;) |
| 03:18.19 | LetoTo |  gmaxwell: no just use GSM for transport, not for voice. use a data call with voip encryption, or a wifi call with voip encryption |
| 03:18.24 | gmaxwell | Just having instructions for doing that on the wiki would make some people very happy. :) |
| 03:18.46 | gmaxwell | LetoTo, that doesn't at all help you if someone is remotely enabling the GSM radio in order to use it to track your *location*. |
| 03:19.15 | LetoTo | you can't help revealing location on gsm. |
| 03:19.24 | mwester | Wrap it in aluminum foil, that'll work too. And don't forget to clip to ground wire to a nearby ground (that would be good for the tin-foil hats too). |
| 03:19.29 | LetoTo | if you need that, buy an openmoko 10 pack :) |
| 03:19.35 | gmaxwell | LetoTo, you can't if you fully power off the gsm modem. |
| 03:19.56 | gmaxwell | er s/can't/can/ |
| 03:20.02 | LetoTo | but then you cannot do GSM data calls or GPRS/EDGE either :P |
| 03:20.19 | LetoTo | I'd rather talk encrypted, then not at all :) |
| 03:20.30 | gmaxwell | LetoTo, yes. But you could still use wifi. Ideally if you've disabled the modem it should be realllly disabled. |
| 03:20.37 | LetoTo | and with more wifi/wimax, it will be required less and less |
| 03:20.50 | LetoTo | well, with wifi you're also pretty detectable |
| 03:21.08 | LetoTo | besides |
| 03:21.18 | gmaxwell | letoto: but not in a manner which would make it easy for someone to use your phone as a tracking device. ;) |
| 03:21.19 | LetoTo | I am not so much worried for targetted attacks on my phone |
| 03:21.29 | LetoTo | I am worried about blanket passive widespread monitoring |
| 03:21.33 | stevenSn | if your so worried about being tracked then maybe your best off not carrying a phone or wifi capable device |
| 03:21.38 | gmaxwell | In any case this is not something that concerns *me*, but it does concern some others.. and it's not entirely unreasonable. |
| 03:21.44 | SpeedEvil | Wimax is _quite_ detectable. |
| 03:21.51 | LetoTo | i talked to a few human rights groups |
| 03:22.00 | gmaxwell | stevenSn, sure .. but it seems stupid to not be able to fully disable the radios. |
| 03:22.04 | LetoTo | they really want a phone that they can dare make calls on in china or south america |
| 03:22.28 | gmaxwell | LetoTo, unless encryption is made a default thing the use of it will still put them at risk. :( |
| 03:22.35 | LetoTo | so voip over ipsec to an asterisk PBX, then from there via some SIP/POTS to their US offices |
| 03:22.47 | SpeedEvil | OTP-SMS is easy |
| 03:23.04 | LetoTo | SMS should just die in favour of IM, and for IM we have things like OTR |
| 03:23.10 | gmaxwell | letoto, it's an ethical issue.. the authors of communication software should always build in automatic transparent encryption. .. but they don't.. oh well.. |
| 03:23.22 | LetoTo | wants to have a look at the IM client shipped iwth openmoko and ensure OTR is on it |
| 03:23.50 | KrisAbsinthe | No but OM device owners can make crypto for SMS and voice' |
| 03:23.51 | LetoTo | gmaxwell: you're talking to one of the developers of IPsec Opportunistic Encryption. Trust me, we tried |
| 03:24.20 | LetoTo | crypto on SMS is hard, due to the 160 chars. you end up either writing your own crypto (hard!) or using multiple sms'es per message |
| 03:24.29 | gmaxwell | Even if the crypto lacks good authentication (like OE without dnsec) it's still way better than nothing. |
| 03:24.34 | LetoTo | besides, it is a telco milk cow, much more expensive then IM |
| 03:24.54 | LetoTo | gmaxwell: not everyone, including Gilmore, was convinced of that |
| 03:24.57 | KrisAbsinthe | even just a simple pigpen cypher is better than nothing lol |
| 03:24.58 | LetoTo | but that is being made now anyway |
| 03:25.05 | LetoTo | in the IETF BTNS working group |
| 03:25.12 | LetoTo | Better Then Nothing Security. |
| 03:25.41 | LetoTo | It is OE using inbond pub key exchange (vulnerable to MITM) but with channel bonding to upgrade from 'anonymous ipsec' to 'authenticated ipsec' |
| 03:25.48 | gmaxwell | LetoTo, meh. Even without good authentication, encryption kills passive attacks thus making attacking FAR harder and FAR more detectable. |
| 03:25.49 | mwester | thinks the OM software currently is more secure than even encryption -- it seldom works in the first place! |
| 03:26.10 | LetoTo | gmaxwell: yes, but there is the additional problem of both endpoints being behind NAT :) |
| 03:26.16 | KrisAbsinthe | other than the defualt root pw being anything lol |
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| 03:26.31 | LetoTo | so you need some kind of trusted brokerage system |
| 03:26.43 | gmaxwell | also, if authentication happens POST encrypted setup, it would require a MITM to even determine of strong authentication is in use.. so it would be hard to single out people using better crypto. |
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| 03:27.06 | gmaxwell | LetoTo, Well.. the loss of global reach-ability sucks. :( |
| 03:27.19 | gmaxwell | In any case, you can still do decent crypto a higher layers. |
| 03:27.19 | SpeedEvil | Crypto on SMS is hard? |
| 03:27.25 | SpeedEvil | What? |
| 03:27.37 | SpeedEvil | You have 160 chars. |
| 03:27.46 | LetoTo | speedevil: yes. cryptophone.de has made some protocol. rather Rudi Weiss (well known german crypto guru) wrote one |
| 03:27.59 | SpeedEvil | You encrypt 160 chars, and send it to a recipient. |
| 03:28.09 | SpeedEvil | They look up your phone number, and decrypt it. |
| 03:28.09 | gmaxwell | SpeedEvil, doing reasonable sized DH over SMS would be kinda hard. ;) |
| 03:28.16 | LetoTo | gives SpeedEvil Applied Cryptography. |
| 03:28.30 | gmaxwell | Crypto without perfect forward secrecy is bad bad bad. |
| 03:28.38 | SpeedEvil | OTP. |
| 03:28.40 | LetoTo | yeah |
| 03:28.45 | LetoTo | OTP is not crypto, its utopia |
| 03:28.45 | gmaxwell | It encourages bad people to come and beat you up to get your keys. |
| 03:29.01 | LetoTo | and OTP's are even WORSE on portable, easilly lost/stolen devices |
| 03:29.52 | SpeedEvil | There are ways round that. |
| 03:30.04 | SpeedEvil | But they do require extra effort to use the device. |
| 03:30.19 | gmaxwell | Extra effort .. meh.. human factors determine security ultimately. |
| 03:30.27 | SpeedEvil | Yep. |
| 03:30.30 | gmaxwell | Encryption needs to be painless.. so everyone uses it. |
| 03:30.39 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 03:30.49 | SpeedEvil | It needs to be less painful than the alternatives. |
| 03:31.15 | gmaxwell | Otherwise two things happen (1) people who use it get singled out, (2) people who normally use it get tricked into not using it. ;) |
| 03:32.01 | SpeedEvil | 1) assumes that it's not illegal in the first place, with heavy penalties. |
| 03:32.19 | doc|home | hmmm, tracking numbers for up to 2267 but they're skipping some |
| 03:32.36 | KrisAbsinthe | would it be a TOS offense with you service provider? |
| 03:32.50 | linuxxr | me |
| 03:33.01 | linuxxr | 2039 |
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| 03:33.25 | gmaxwell | SpeedEvil, well thats another reason it has to be ubiquitous.. to keep if from being made illegial. |
| 03:33.28 | linuxxr | but i not sweat it |
| 03:33.38 | doc|home | gmaxwell: like, I dunno, alcohol? |
| 03:33.40 | doc|home | :) |
| 03:33.40 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: you're assuming it already exists. |
| 03:33.46 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: which it does not |
| 03:33.46 | doc|home | or recreational drugs? :) |
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| 03:34.03 | retracile | Can you turn off the GSM far enough to be able to use the FR on an airplane? |
| 03:34.09 | SpeedEvil | retracile: yes |
| 03:34.20 | linuxxr | just anothers ways to collect our monies |
| 03:34.21 | SpeedEvil | retracile: in principle - if they'll let you use it... |
| 03:34.30 | Dave | :) |
| 03:35.37 | KrisAbsinthe | anyone with battery life reports on the FR |
| 03:35.37 | retracile | SpeedEvil: Don't other such devices have an "airplane mode"? I'd have thought they'd be used to such by now... |
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| 03:35.37 | linuxxr | now theres a good idea |
| 03:35.38 | Dave | oy |
| 03:35.45 | Dave | Not more battery reports :p |
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| 03:36.04 | Dave | It's funny because I can affirmatively state that it won't matter how long it lasts, the OS won't keep up :P |
| 03:36.09 | SpeedEvil | retracile: it fundaentally depends on the airline/captains policy |
| 03:36.29 | linuxxr | oo noos |
| 03:36.37 | ieatlint | does turning off the gsm modem kill the gps? |
| 03:36.40 | retracile | SpeedEvil: Hm. Guess I've avoided travelling enough to learn that. |
| 03:36.59 | retracile | -> bed |
| 03:37.36 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: no |
| 03:37.51 | ieatlint | excellent... gps on planes is fun |
| 03:38.06 | cjb | ieatlint: does it work? |
| 03:38.15 | ieatlint | yep, you need a window seat though |
| 03:38.17 | cjb | nice |
| 03:38.33 | ieatlint | with a window seat, and the device near the window, i was able to get like 10 sats or something |
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| 03:38.45 | SpeedEvil | GPS may not work on planes travelling fast enough. |
| 03:38.56 | SpeedEvil | stabs the petty beancounters that grounded Concorde. |
| 03:39.01 | ieatlint | we were going at speed |
| 03:39.05 | SpeedEvil | stabs the petty beancounters that grounded Concorde. |
| 03:39.16 | ieatlint | yeah, perhaps supersonic would be too fast :P |
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| 03:39.22 | ieatlint | we were 400-450mph |
| 03:39.25 | SpeedEvil | cleans off his spoon. |
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| 03:44.00 | Dave | whee |
| 03:44.05 | kelvie | crap.. I'm quickly becoming the lowest number to not get a shipment notification :O |
| 03:44.25 | kelvie | I should stop worrying and go back to work :/ |
| 03:44.49 | Dave | hah, I should try that! |
| 03:45.04 | Dave | I'm bad though, so I'd probably smuggle a large collapsable antenna onboard :p |
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| 03:45.08 | Dave | take that, TSA! |
| 03:46.26 | SpeedEvil | observes the overweight TSA employee snapping on a cold latex glove. |
| 03:46.41 | Dave | :o |
| 03:46.54 | ieatlint | to build the openmoko emulator image, do you need gcc3.x or will 4.x work? |
| 03:46.55 | Dave | No, I don't keep the antenna in my pants :p |
| 03:48.04 | ieatlint | what, you can't bring antennas onto planes now? |
| 03:48.21 | Dave | haha |
| 03:50.07 | rtm | Does anyone know how to enable the clock which used to show up on the initial page shown by 2007.2 images, on a Freerunner? |
| 03:50.33 | Dave | Yeah I was wondering that myself at one point. |
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| 03:58.15 | wurp2 | rtm: abraxa does |
| 03:58.26 | wurp2 | If you search the logs for the last coupla days he tells |
| 03:58.35 | wurp2 | It's a gconfd thing |
| 03:58.53 | wurp2 | You turn off minimal, or clean, or something like that |
| 03:59.33 | KrisAbsinthe | damn 1.1v with a solar panel, inside with a 1.5X2 in panel |
| 04:02.10 | wurp2 | Dammit, anyone know how to set the window manager you get when you start up? |
| 04:02.51 | KrisAbsinthe | /etc/X11/Xsession/Xsession.d i believe |
| 04:03.00 | wurp2 | KrisAbsinthe: thanks! |
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| 04:14.41 | LetoTo | john: got it :) |
| 04:15.09 | doc|home | chillywilly: you doing any dev? |
| 04:15.52 | chillywilly | I don't have any hardware yet :) |
| 04:16.13 | kd8ikt | i dont either but thats not stoping me form building |
| 04:18.13 | KrisAbsinthe | kd8ikt: what are ya working on |
| 04:18.41 | kd8ikt | i'm just practicing fartin with the build env |
| 04:18.44 | wurp2 | KrisAbsinthe: OK, Xsession.d has a 90xXWindowManager in it, which kicks off x-windo-manager |
| 04:18.59 | kd8ikt | this is the first time i've heard of bitbake |
| 04:19.20 | wurp2 | But in one case (FSO) all we see is the zhone app, and in the other case (2007.2) matchbox-window-manager is running |
| 04:20.04 | KrisAbsinthe | wurp2: a quick hack would be to make x-window-manager a script that launches whatever WM you want |
| 04:20.32 | KrisAbsinthe | I dont care for the FSO stuff yet |
| 04:20.46 | kd8ikt | DISTRO_VERSION = "P1-Snapshot-20080711" |
| 04:20.51 | wurp2 | Me neither, that's why I'm building SHR |
| 04:21.00 | KrisAbsinthe | SHR? |
| 04:21.02 | wurp2 | sorry, we're building |
| 04:21.04 | wurp2 | ~SHR |
| 04:21.08 | apt | methinks shr is Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 04:21.26 | wurp2 | Hence the questions |
| 04:21.27 | KrisAbsinthe | sweet ass |
| 04:22.11 | kd8ikt | heh sweet just got an email from devin |
| 04:22.32 | kd8ikt | the group sale word is they shipout tomorrow |
| 04:22.57 | wurp2 | KrisAbsinthe: Thanks, you just answered my question |
| 04:23.11 | wurp2 | x-window-manager is a link to matchbox/session in 2007.2 |
| 04:23.21 | KrisAbsinthe | lol |
| 04:23.29 | kd8ikt | purchase number is that what everyone has been talkin about? |
| 04:23.41 | kd8ikt | 1447 ;) |
| 04:23.56 | KrisAbsinthe | i put matchbox-desktop on mine a while back it was nice |
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| 04:25.08 | wurp2 | Anyone know what opkg owns /usr/bin/matchbox-session in 2007.2 |
| 04:25.10 | wurp2 | ? |
| 04:25.36 | kd8ikt | w00t shipped ground from CA to ohio |
| 04:26.15 | kd8ikt | moko party nextweek ;) |
| 04:26.30 | KrisAbsinthe | you in akron right lol, im in dayton |
| 04:26.41 | kd8ikt | cincinnati |
| 04:26.54 | kd8ikt | though the group sales dudes are in lexington ky |
| 04:26.59 | KrisAbsinthe | cool |
| 04:27.30 | kd8ikt | pretty sweet i got ahold of them like 2 days ago and they needed one more person |
| 04:27.40 | KrisAbsinthe | im currently adding solar cells to my Neo1973 |
| 04:27.46 | kd8ikt | cincinnati [00:34] [kd8ikt(+ei)] [3:ipv6/#openmoko(+n)] [Act: 4] |
| 04:27.53 | kd8ikt | wtf |
| 04:28.22 | kd8ikt | damn touchpad mouse |
| 04:28.23 | cjb | KrisAbsinthe: what wattage does your cell provide? it must be very small. |
| 04:28.30 | wurp2 | KrisAbsinthe: Cool! |
| 04:29.13 | KrisAbsinthe | not sure yet, still shaping the cell for the back |
| 04:30.18 | chillywilly | looks like irssi :) |
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| 04:31.07 | kd8ikt | so because of this group sale i'm prolly savin like 30$ |
| 04:31.16 | Railer | yup |
| 04:31.24 | cjb | KrisAbsinthe: I guess I'm skeptical that you can do any meaningful charging with a cell that size. |
| 04:31.30 | kd8ikt | whats a single ground shipped phone cost? |
| 04:31.41 | kd8ikt | 420? |
| 04:31.55 | kd8ikt | pot jokes aside |
| 04:32.52 | kd8ikt | http://xkcd.com/303/ |
| 04:34.19 | cjb | kd8ikt: depends where it's going. I think mine might have been 408 or something. |
| 04:35.27 | KrisAbsinthe | kd8ikt: what freqs do you frequent down there |
| 04:36.02 | kd8ikt | 145.35 would be the best repeater to hit dayton |
| 04:36.11 | kd8ikt | or 145.39 |
| 04:36.18 | kd8ikt | fairfield |
| 04:36.31 | KrisAbsinthe | cool |
| 04:36.57 | kd8ikt | see if you can hear anything on those freq's if so i'll hop on |
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| 04:37.15 | KrisAbsinthe | i just got a scanner inside, but ill check |
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| 04:37.25 | kd8ikt | awe |
| 04:37.45 | kd8ikt | might be able to hear it |
| 04:37.56 | kd8ikt | climb up on the roof ;) |
| 04:38.16 | ChandleWEi | I can ssh my phone use usb,but the battery not inflating ,how to check it |
| 04:38.34 | KrisAbsinthe | lol, ill check on the mobile in a little bit, but i cant talk yet lol |
| 04:38.43 | kd8ikt | no ticket? |
| 04:39.00 | KrisAbsinthe | yup, taking my test on the 18th |
| 04:39.02 | kd8ikt | is also in #hamradio |
| 04:39.14 | kandian | ChandleWEi: apm can give you a basic idea of what is going on |
| 04:39.36 | jeffszusz | wonders if he could change a freerunner with an onion and some gatorade |
| 04:39.51 | jeffszusz | charge* |
| 04:40.53 | ChandleWEi | kandian: it show me off-line, battery status critical, but my usb already connected it |
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| 04:45.50 | rivalarrival | jeffszusz: Sure. Eat the onion, drink the gatorade. Obtain hand-crank type generator. Turn crank. |
| 04:46.02 | wurp2 | ChandleWEi: cat '/sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode |
| 04:46.44 | rivalarrival | You mean to tell me they had these phones a week and couldn't be bothered to charge them?!??! (j/k) |
| 04:47.24 | wurp2 | ChandleWEi: If it says pre or idle, then 'echo -n fast_cccv > '/sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode' |
| 04:47.46 | wurp2 | rivalarrival: Well, the probably *do* have thousands of them... |
| 04:48.05 | rivalarrival | :-) |
| 04:48.43 | ChandleWEi | surp2: it say fast |
| 04:48.53 | wurp2 | ChandleWEi: Then it's charging |
| 04:49.05 | wurp2 | at 1 amp, I'd guess |
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| 04:49.23 | wurp2 | Since the gta01 never says just 'fast', and that's all I know about (gta01) |
| 04:49.52 | ChandleWEi | wurp2: it's gta02 |
| 04:50.00 | wurp2 | yeah, I figured |
| 04:50.07 | wurp2 | It's charging at max rate |
| 04:50.15 | wurp2 | Give it a couple of hours |
| 04:50.32 | wurp2 | it should be almost full then, I'd guess |
| 04:52.21 | wurp2 | off to bed |
| 04:52.27 | jeffszusz | rivalarrival, you can charge an ipod by soaking an onion in gatorade and then plugging the end of a USB cable into the onion |
| 04:52.29 | ChandleWEi | wurp2: I always connect my computer by usb, suddenly I find the battery is low level and show me red !, I try wait it charging |
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| 04:55.13 | offray_ | Hi all |
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| 04:55.35 | rtm | Does anyone know how to enable the clock which used to show up on the initial page shown by 2007.2 images, on a Freerunner? |
| 04:55.46 | ieatlint | yay, my tracking page now shows more than "billing info received" |
| 04:59.41 | offray_ | I was flashing my Frerunner this morning and all was fine. I tryed the scaredy cat images without inconvenience but when I tried the qtopia ones I got an "Error during download" message. After that I can not boot in a correct image. I have reinstalled uBoot and I'm trying to go back to the scaredy cat image, but any time I tried the flashing I'm getting all the time "Starting download: [dfu_download error -62, Error during download" |
| 05:00.25 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: Yeah! Origin Scan! |
| 05:00.54 | offray_ | rtm: look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Un-crippling_the_2007.2_image |
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| 05:01.39 | rtm | offray: Thanks a bunch! |
| 05:02.16 | ieatlint | yep, pretty exciting! |
| 05:02.40 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: Yeah, except it's going to say the same damn thing for like three days straight. |
| 05:03.12 | ieatlint | i dunno, the initial email for ups said delivery scheduled tomorrow |
| 05:03.22 | ieatlint | i'm about 40 miles or something from sunnyvale... |
| 05:04.20 | ieatlint | kind of ironic that the phone may arrive the same day the iphone comes out |
| 05:04.52 | ieatlint | which reminds me, i was going to go throw water balloons at people standing outside the apple store |
| 05:05.51 | offray_ | anyone knows about the dfu_download error? |
| 05:08.59 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: How about bricks? |
| 05:09.14 | rivalarrival | offray_: If I knew, I'd tell you. |
| 05:09.24 | ieatlint | no, i don't want to actually injure them |
| 05:09.41 | ieatlint | the next phase of the plan is to call the police 30min before they open, and hint at some sort of bomb threat or something |
| 05:09.47 | rivalarrival | HAHAHA |
| 05:10.34 | rivalarrival | Dude, I've got it... Just go wait in line with them, with your new freerunner |
| 05:11.00 | rivalarrival | Be all like "Hey, check this out: Copy/Paste, bitches!" |
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| 05:13.27 | rivalarrival | Yay! Netsplit! |
| 05:13.34 | carrar | woah |
| 05:13.42 | carrar | I thought I left EFNET |
| 05:14.03 | rivalarrival | It followed you. |
| 05:14.12 | carrar | damnit JIM!!! |
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| 05:18.24 | Psi | whats the best image to use for an everyday phone on gta01 atm? |
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| 05:23.21 | kd8ikt | 535thats like the 100th time today i've heard that question psi |
| 05:23.37 | Psi | heh |
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| 05:23.39 | kd8ikt | maybe its time a wiki page about it be created |
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| 05:24.15 | kd8ikt | have you tried the latest build? |
| 05:24.18 | Psi | YES, we need something that lists the best openmoko and qtopia images for everyday use |
| 05:24.27 | Psi | kd8ikt: trying now |
| 05:24.47 | kd8ikt | or something like that |
| 05:24.56 | kd8ikt | i always figure the newest is always the best |
| 05:25.14 | Psi | yeah, but i often find the newest is also the most broken :P |
| 05:25.42 | carrar | are there any db that run on the freerunner? |
| 05:26.05 | carrar | can I take samples from the GPS and stuff them into a db on the freerunner? |
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| 05:29.36 | Psi | carrar: you can stuff them into a text file :P |
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| 05:30.51 | kd8ikt | dude... when i get my own place... |
| 05:31.01 | kd8ikt | i'm gonna fill a room with http://www.playpenballs.com/ |
| 05:31.36 | Psi | that would be fun for all of 10 seconds |
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| 05:31.50 | Psi | unless your thinking for your kids or something |
| 05:32.08 | Antaga | wow that expensive! |
| 05:32.20 | carrar | Psi, no db app yet for the freerunner? |
| 05:32.28 | kd8ikt | be totally worth it |
| 05:32.39 | mmontour | kd8ikt: imitating xkcd? |
| 05:32.41 | Psi | carrar: no idea |
| 05:32.48 | kd8ikt | yes |
| 05:32.48 | rivalarrival | xkcd > * |
| 05:32.49 | carrar | text file is ok, but if I can tell people I am running PostgreSQL on phone |
| 05:32.54 | carrar | thats kicksass |
| 05:32.57 | Psi | heh |
| 05:33.19 | kd8ikt | http://xkcd.com/150/ |
| 05:34.13 | carrar | So lets analize that |
| 05:34.17 | carrar | Girl in APT |
| 05:34.25 | carrar | surrounded by what |
| 05:34.28 | carrar | LOTS OF BALLS |
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| 05:34.53 | doc|home | sounds like debian to me |
| 05:34.58 | carrar | yeah |
| 05:35.00 | carrar | IRC |
| 05:35.33 | kd8ikt | playpen balls + girlfriend = fun |
| 05:35.33 | carrar | ..... building ball room now |
| 05:36.10 | kd8ikt | invisions AC/DC's big balls song playing during |
| 05:36.44 | carrar | always bouncing! |
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| 05:44.19 | Psi | i suppose i shouldnt really question the multicolored play-pen ball room idea, after all, i completely replaced my room lighting with R,G,B,W leds :P |
| 05:45.23 | Psi | girls keep setting it to bright pink :(, heh |
| 05:46.55 | kd8ikt | leds are awesome |
| 05:47.01 | Psi | yep |
| 05:47.02 | kd8ikt | they last forever it seems |
| 05:47.25 | Psi | none of mine have died yet |
| 05:48.47 | rooly | i once burnt out an led |
| 05:48.50 | rooly | and it didn't turn off |
| 05:49.15 | affen | everlasting light? :) |
| 05:49.23 | rooly | pretty much |
| 05:49.49 | kd8ikt | oh god look what wiki told me about LED's http://www.uc.edu/news/NR.asp?id=7089 |
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| 05:50.29 | kd8ikt | using DNA in salmon sperm has recently been discovered to amplify the effects and quality of a LED ligh |
| 05:50.58 | kd8ikt | and it had to be UC :P my city |
| 05:51.02 | Psi | heh |
| 05:51.03 | kd8ikt | what a perv |
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| 05:51.46 | kd8ikt | who takes salmon sperm and is like... hm lets put it in an LED! |
| 05:52.45 | kd8ikt | right after i bleep bleep bleep with it |
| 05:52.50 | rooly | paste/69 |
| 05:53.00 | Psi | heh |
| 05:53.06 | rooly | woops |
| 05:53.07 | rooly | wrong channel |
| 05:53.17 | rooly | gotta hate that |
| 05:53.50 | kd8ikt | ok this compile has been going for like 2 hrs already my laptops about to reach critical mass |
| 05:54.06 | rivalarrival | TROBA! TROBA! TROBA! |
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| 05:54.48 | kd8ikt | ok i saw it just now downloading and preparing to compile gcc thats where i draw the line |
| 05:55.03 | kd8ikt | ^C |
| 05:56.42 | rivalarrival | TROBA! |
| 05:56.57 | emilis_info | kam tau ta troba? |
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| 05:57.25 | rivalarrival | (Abort) |
| 05:57.49 | emilis_info | :) |
| 05:58.34 | Psi | well, latest qtopia build didnt work |
| 05:58.39 | Psi | tries 2nd latest |
| 05:59.13 | kd8ikt | didnt work? |
| 05:59.25 | Psi | booted to gui, but none of the buttons work |
| 05:59.44 | rivalarrival | Nah, it worked. He just wants to waste his damn time trying to find something a little less usable. |
| 05:59.49 | rivalarrival | (here's your sign) |
| 06:00.50 | kd8ikt | thats quite odd that a latest build would have such an issue |
| 06:01.47 | ChandleWEi | how to check my battery problem or apm problem? |
| 06:02.05 | Psi | kd8ikt: yeah, but i quite often find the latest builds dont work |
| 06:03.08 | kd8ikt | might be why i hear all this talk of SHR |
| 06:03.24 | kd8ikt | or whatever the stable image name is |
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| 06:05.46 | rivalarrival | Why is it so damn difficult to find a stable build? |
| 06:05.55 | Psi | ^ |
| 06:06.36 | rivalarrival | Not that I'm actually looking for one right now, but it seems that this shouldn't be that big of a problem. |
| 06:07.21 | rivalarrival | I guess the question is, If I'm having so many problems finding it, is it because I'm an idiot, or because they are idiots? |
| 06:07.53 | Psi | heh, i often wonder that too |
| 06:07.54 | rivalarrival | wait |
| 06:07.59 | rivalarrival | I know what the problem is! |
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| 06:08.54 | rivalarrival | Psi: Repeat after me: "the iphone is so much better than the GTA01 because the GTA01 doesn't even have a stable build" |
| 06:09.11 | Psi | that doesnt make it better |
| 06:09.12 | kd8ikt | cant really compare the two |
| 06:09.16 | Psi | ^^ |
| 06:09.29 | rivalarrival | Psi: Nah, I'm not making the comparison... |
| 06:09.36 | rivalarrival | I'm trying to help you get some support. |
| 06:09.55 | Psi | rivalarrival: haha |
| 06:10.09 | Psi | angry support isnt the good kind |
| 06:10.38 | rivalarrival | Don't ask for help, just say "This fucking thing sucks, I can't believe I wasted my money on it, it (insert symptoms here)!!! |
| 06:10.59 | Psi | im not that mean :P |
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| 06:11.15 | rivalarrival | Squeaky wheel, grease, grease, squeaky wheel. |
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| 06:12.05 | offray_ | I was flashing my Frerunner this morning and all was fine. I tryed the scaredy cat images without inconvenience but when I tried the qtopia ones I got an "Error during download" message. After that I can not boot in a correct image. I have reinstalled uBoot and I'm trying to go back to the scaredy cat image, but any time I tried the flashing I'm getting all the time "Starting download: [dfu_download error -62, Error during download" |
| 06:12.11 | offray_ | Sorry |
| 06:12.23 | offray_ | I was reviewing the log |
| 06:12.28 | offray_ | cheers :) |
| 06:12.30 | *** part/#openmoko offray_ (n=offray@Dynamic-IP-cr2001189160.cable.net.co) |
| 06:15.54 | rivalarrival | Let me tell you what - it works. I threatened to kill everyone involved in distributing the freerunner if I didn't get a tracking number. Couple hours later, it was in my inbox. |
| 06:16.07 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 06:16.34 | rivalarrival | I read too much BOFH. |
| 06:16.37 | Psi | youll probably get an empty box tho :P |
| 06:16.49 | rivalarrival | Psi: They wouldn't dare. :-) |
| 06:16.56 | Psi | with a note saying "we have kidnapped your freerunner" |
| 06:17.26 | rivalarrival | Nah, they need my $399 |
| 06:17.35 | rivalarrival | And all their teeth. |
| 06:17.37 | rivalarrival | :-) |
| 06:17.54 | kd8ikt | ng image, but any time I tried the flashing I'm getting all the time "Starting download: [dfu_download error -62, |
| 06:17.57 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.00 | kd8ikt | 02:20 < offray_> Sorry |
| 06:18.06 | kd8ikt | wtf |
| 06:18.25 | Psi | kd8ikt: are you using a usb extention cable? |
| 06:18.31 | kd8ikt | i need to disable my laptops touchpad |
| 06:18.51 | kd8ikt | nah it must have been copied from somewhere i'm readin and accidently pasted |
| 06:18.52 | rivalarrival | I wish my eee-pc had a clit-mouse |
| 06:18.58 | Psi | ah |
| 06:19.05 | Psi | rivalarrival: heh |
| 06:19.12 | kd8ikt | yeah i could use a clit too |
| 06:19.28 | rivalarrival | touchpads suck donkey ass. |
| 06:19.39 | emilis_info | :) |
| 06:19.39 | rivalarrival | I wonder if I could install one... |
| 06:19.40 | Psi | yeah, i prefer the clit |
| 06:19.40 | kd8ikt | same with CAPSLOCK |
| 06:19.47 | Psi | over a touchpad atleast |
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| 06:20.24 | kd8ikt | + this shit laptop has a wireless button right behind left shift |
| 06:20.35 | rivalarrival | Anybody ever see a USB clit mouse? |
| 06:21.10 | gmaxwell | rivalarrival, how would that work? get out a drummel and drill the keyboard? |
| 06:21.27 | gmaxwell | primary advantage of clitmouse is that you don't have to move your hands out of the typing position... |
| 06:21.40 | kd8ikt | what a great idea lets put a wifi power button next to shift on the most used keys in an akward position |
| 06:21.51 | kd8ikt | one* of the |
| 06:23.13 | rivalarrival | gmaxwell: Yeah, pretty much. I'd stick it next to the touchpad, not in the keyboard. |
| 06:23.26 | *** part/#openmoko wizs (n=opera@66-50-121-36.prtc.net) |
| 06:23.49 | gmaxwell | I dunno why the asus EEE doesn't have a model without the touchpad.. it would let them make the system smaller |
| 06:23.58 | gmaxwell | My X60 is clitmouse only. |
| 06:24.17 | Psi | i think most ppl prefer touchpads over clits |
| 06:24.18 | rivalarrival | my T-22 was the same way. I hated the touchpad. |
| 06:24.27 | rivalarrival | newbs prefer touchpads to clits |
| 06:25.04 | rivalarrival | but, most people are newbs, so, yeah... |
| 06:25.35 | Psi | clits need to be set with the right sen/accel but when they are they give you really good control |
| 06:25.59 | gmaxwell | Psi, it's an experience thing.. a little more learning curve on the clit. .. and a LOT of laptops come with the speed set all wrong on them. |
| 06:26.07 | budfive | you get used to a nub-only setup in a few-days. promise. |
| 06:26.09 | Psi | yeah |
| 06:26.17 | gmaxwell | budfive, Yep. |
| 06:26.39 | gmaxwell | it's also true with touchpads.. they suck too when you're not used to them. |
| 06:26.43 | budfive | it really is nice to have both, though |
| 06:27.01 | budfive | i use the touchpad as a regular mouse, and the nub as a dedicated bidirectional scrolling device |
| 06:27.03 | Psi | i hate how the mouse wheel is part of them |
| 06:27.09 | budfive | like a joystick |
| 06:27.21 | gmaxwell | budfive, I don't agree.. too easy to smack the pad with the ball of your hand and send things into crazy land.. |
| 06:27.36 | Psi | they sould atleast put a plastic strip between the pad and wheel part |
| 06:27.38 | budfive | again, you get used to not doing that very quickly. |
| 06:27.42 | gmaxwell | or if you spill the smallest amount of food on the laptop the touchpad is usually crazy. |
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| 06:28.37 | budfive | i've a friend who uses an inverse setup. Nub to move around, and touchpad as a dedicated scroller. Either way, it's nice to actually separate the two devices |
| 06:30.18 | rivalarrival | need to find bluetooth keyboard w/ clitmouse. |
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| 06:35.46 | Psi | hm.. does qtopia work without a sim? |
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| 06:37.33 | KrisAbsinthe_ | psi: very slowly |
| 06:38.08 | Psi | maybe thats why im having so much trouble |
| 06:38.26 | KrisAbsinthe_ | psi: and if it cant regiter to the network |
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| 06:44.58 | rivalarrival | Need a bluetooth dingle - a device with a usb port on it, that converts your regular USB devices into bluetooth devices. |
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| 06:50.22 | rooly|away | hmm |
| 06:50.40 | rooly|away | how might one convince the qemu emulator to go into sleep mode? |
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| 06:52.07 | rivalarrival | sing it a lullaby |
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| 06:55.46 | sontek | I usually rub a little rum on its lips |
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| 06:59.21 | rivalarrival | Whatever you do, never shake a qemu emulation. |
| 06:59.59 | rivalarrival | = batshit insane |
| 07:00.09 | ChandleWEi | Line : off |
| 07:00.09 | ChandleWEi | Battery: -1% (?) |
| 07:00.19 | ChandleWEi | above is my apm --monitor |
| 07:00.21 | rivalarrival | Hmmm... |
| 07:00.46 | rivalarrival | You have a battery composed of dark matter. |
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| 07:01.21 | ChandleWEi | my usb already connected for several hours |
| 07:02.13 | ChandleWEi | rivalarrial: "You have a battery composed of dark matter." what's mean? I not enough english skill |
| 07:02.26 | rivalarrival | YAY! My freerunner has left Sunnyvale! |
| 07:02.41 | rivalarrival | ChandleWEi: Sorry, it was my attempt at humor. |
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| 07:04.14 | ChandleWEi | rivalarrival: I don't care ,I just poor english not understand :) |
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| 07:08.00 | kd8ikt | hmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter |
| 07:09.08 | ieatlint | i don't get the joke and i speak english |
| 07:09.22 | ieatlint | is it supposed to be a joke about it only existing in theory? |
| 07:09.40 | ieatlint | eg, the phones using it, but we can't see it or detect it |
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| 07:10.09 | kd8ikt | heh |
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| 07:12.36 | walrustown | whoa the FR uses dark matter? |
| 07:12.43 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: I didn't say it was a GOOD joke |
| 07:13.00 | rivalarrival | walrustown: Yes, that's why the battery meter can read -1% |
| 07:13.02 | ieatlint | no, i'm just curious if i got it right :) |
| 07:13.09 | walrustown | whoa nice |
| 07:13.36 | kd8ikt | no it actually runs on antimatter |
| 07:13.50 | walrustown | I wish it did, then maybe you could get more than 10-20 hours out of it :) |
| 07:14.07 | rivalarrival | Don't damage the case to the battery, or you'll put a dent in the earth. |
| 07:14.17 | kd8ikt | hey how long are you away from your computer? |
| 07:14.37 | rivalarrival | Ummm... Not very. |
| 07:14.42 | walrustown | FIC is distributing WMDs |
| 07:15.17 | rivalarrival | literally - anti-matter and matter combining would destroy mass. |
| 07:15.28 | walrustown | yup yup |
| 07:15.42 | ieatlint | i wouldn't live to regret it, so not my problem |
| 07:15.56 | rivalarrival | That's the spirit! |
| 07:16.17 | walrustown | wikipedia says "the energy in a few grams of antimatter is enough to transport an unmanned spacecraft to Mars in a few minutes" |
| 07:16.19 | walrustown | ouch |
| 07:16.26 | walrustown | maybe we can use our FRs to go to mars |
| 07:16.32 | rivalarrival | Like I said: Dent in the earth |
| 07:16.38 | ieatlint | well, linux got nasa there |
| 07:16.54 | walrustown | linux is stupid, it's all about dos |
| 07:17.03 | ieatlint | hah |
| 07:17.11 | ieatlint | how about a truer form of unix |
| 07:17.26 | rivalarrival | What were they running on the "Hey, let's program our equipment in meters, but feed it data in feet"? |
| 07:17.26 | ieatlint | watch, i'll go install openbsd on my FR |
| 07:17.38 | rivalarrival | Hardy Heron on the FR. |
| 07:17.47 | methril | morning |
| 07:17.47 | ieatlint | that would be linux, and the feet were manually entered |
| 07:17.54 | kd8ikt | i dont see how you can compare dos to linux |
| 07:18.04 | rivalarrival | Well, they both have command lines |
| 07:18.08 | rivalarrival | Other than that... |
| 07:18.10 | ieatlint | yeah, and they both have "cd" |
| 07:18.11 | walrustown | dos is superior to linux in almost every way |
| 07:18.19 | walrustown | I wish I could get a dos phone |
| 07:18.20 | ieatlint | dos very rarely crashes |
| 07:18.30 | kd8ikt | if i could ban you for saying that i would |
| 07:18.30 | ieatlint | or has network vulnerabilities |
| 07:18.34 | walrustown | LOL |
| 07:18.46 | rivalarrival | NON SYSTEM DISK OR DISK ERROR - REPLACE DISK AND PRESS ANY KEY |
| 07:18.51 | walrustown | Honestly, I don't consider DOS an OS... It's more of a stack of code for dealing with the hardware |
| 07:19.00 | walrustown | It doesn't multitask or anything like that |
| 07:19.02 | rivalarrival | "Where's the "Any" key? |
| 07:19.11 | ieatlint | just press a modifier |
| 07:19.16 | ieatlint | shift, ctrl, esc |
| 07:19.49 | rivalarrival | I want to replace the key with the gay little flag on it with one that says "ANY" |
| 07:20.00 | walrustown | I always rip off the windows key |
| 07:20.01 | ieatlint | so close.... my phone is in south san francisco and i'm in san francisco |
| 07:20.04 | zash | writes "Any" on the windowskey |
| 07:20.06 | walrustown | it screws me up in games |
| 07:20.20 | ieatlint | my keyboard doesn't have the win key |
| 07:20.25 | walrustown | you win |
| 07:20.27 | ieatlint | i'm using a model m keyboard |
| 07:20.33 | walrustown | double win |
| 07:20.35 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.38 | ieatlint | my keys are dishwasher safe |
| 07:20.57 | walrustown | I'm invincible to bans, because I use DOS |
| 07:20.58 | zash | ieatlint: your keyboard is * safe |
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| 07:21.16 | ieatlint | not entirely, it's a "new" model m, built in 2004 by unicomp |
| 07:21.26 | rivalarrival | the "win" key on the eeepc has a little picture of a house. |
| 07:21.37 | ieatlint | so it has the same feel, noise, etc of the originals, but it doesn't have like the steel body and such |
| 07:22.41 | walrustown | actually, my keyboard doesn't have a windows key on it, because I'm typing on an alphagrip |
| 07:23.23 | ieatlint | i love my eee |
| 07:24.13 | walrustown | I want to play with an eee |
| 07:24.14 | rivalarrival | walrustown: That's the gayest thing I've ever seen |
| 07:24.20 | walrustown | hahaha |
| 07:24.52 | walrustown | I know, but it is actually pretty comfortable |
| 07:24.55 | rivalarrival | I love my eee, but If the freerunner does half the things I want it to, I might sell it. |
| 07:25.10 | rivalarrival | dude, comfort can be taken too far... |
| 07:25.52 | rivalarrival | It's got a trackball! It should have a clit-mouse! |
| 07:25.53 | walrustown | like that transportation method that mr garrison invented? |
| 07:26.12 | rivalarrival | The IT? |
| 07:26.28 | walrustown | I definitely prefer the trackball, although the resolution is low |
| 07:26.33 | ieatlint | i see the FR as a phone and a toy, not a laptop |
| 07:26.38 | walrustown | lol, yeah, the it |
| 07:27.02 | rivalarrival | phone, toy, and command line. |
| 07:27.26 | walrustown | anyone else in here have a zaurus? |
| 07:27.34 | rivalarrival | Hell, if I can get IRC running on it, I'm set for life. |
| 07:27.53 | ieatlint | yeah, commandline, but no easy way to type... and if i'm carrying a keyboard around with me, i might as well carry the eee |
| 07:28.23 | rivalarrival | Well, a bluetooth PDA keyboard is the size of a wallet, folded up. |
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| 07:29.49 | ieatlint | eh... |
| 07:29.58 | kd8ikt | what do you plan on typing? a book? |
| 07:30.02 | rivalarrival | I had a stowaway keyboard for my HP Jornada - a LONG time ago. |
| 07:30.15 | rivalarrival | Worked great. |
| 07:30.18 | smhar | it seems that even the 850mhz 10units package is sold out from the openmoko store |
| 07:30.30 | kd8ikt | 'old news |
| 07:30.41 | smhar | probably this will expedite the availabilty of the 900mhz nits there |
| 07:30.45 | smhar | hopefully |
| 07:30.52 | rivalarrival | Yep - last I heard, they had a total of 13 phones left. |
| 07:30.52 | ieatlint | unlikely |
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| 07:31.03 | kd8ikt | oh damn |
| 07:31.15 | ieatlint | the phones are not being built on order, the arrival date of the 900mhz units was already set |
| 07:31.19 | ieatlint | july 25 i heard |
| 07:31.31 | kd8ikt | who uses 900 |
| 07:31.37 | walrustown | I so hope they make enough money to keep the development clipping |
| 07:31.41 | ieatlint | i don't know why they keep releasing stuff on fridays and then go home for the weekend |
| 07:31.51 | kd8ikt | my service provider uses 1900 so... anyone will work for me |
| 07:31.52 | zash | kd8ikt: everyone but the states? |
| 07:32.08 | ieatlint | yeah, 900mhz would be preferred by me |
| 07:32.28 | ieatlint | i use only 1900mhz in california, and i travel abroad regularly |
| 07:32.31 | kd8ikt | isnt it 800|850/1800/1900 |
| 07:32.47 | kd8ikt | the 800/850 ones (triband) |
| 07:32.51 | ieatlint | 850|900/1800/1900 |
| 07:33.07 | ieatlint | no gsm uses 800 |
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| 07:33.43 | kd8ikt | that mhz |
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| 07:33.47 | ieatlint | gsm is 850, 900, 1800, 1900... umts is 2100, 1900/2100 att US, 1700/2100 tmobile US |
| 07:33.48 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 07:33.54 | ieatlint | all mhz |
| 07:34.09 | kd8ikt | cool glad CBW uses 1900 |
| 07:34.17 | ieatlint | (the 1900/2100 and 1700/2100 means it uses both bands -- one for upstream and one for downstream) |
| 07:34.25 | kd8ikt | and the moko has a sim slot |
| 07:34.42 | rivalarrival | Tmobile uses 1900, at least in my area... |
| 07:35.12 | ieatlint | tmobile US only runs 1900mhz gsm, however they have roaming agreements in some places for 850mhz |
| 07:35.17 | walrustown | anyone have a recommendation on a good service provider? or does it really depend on my location? |
| 07:35.37 | ieatlint | plus, even if you can't roam onto an 850mhz network, you can still connect to it and dial 911 -- which could be useful |
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| 07:35.51 | rivalarrival | Depends on if your provider has roaming agreements with the providers in your area. |
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| 07:36.25 | kd8ikt | CBW just uses one band |
| 07:36.25 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: Yeah, could be. :-) |
| 07:36.25 | zash | walrustown: all cellphone service providers are evil |
| 07:36.45 | ieatlint | yep, there are areas in the sierra nevada here in california where att has 850mhz coverage and tmobile has none... and there's no roaming agreement |
| 07:36.49 | rivalarrival | Yeah, but not for too much longer. Open Source will force them in line. |
| 07:36.57 | walrustown | thanks zash :) |
| 07:37.07 | HauDyrArb | zash, that sounds about right |
| 07:37.12 | ieatlint | walrustown, it's what works where you need it that's best |
| 07:37.12 | walrustown | kinda like all ISPs |
| 07:37.12 | rivalarrival | tmobile has no agreement with ATT? |
| 07:37.19 | walrustown | I see |
| 07:37.35 | ieatlint | rivalarrival, they have an agreement with att for california and nevada dating back to like 2002 or something |
| 07:37.50 | rivalarrival | I've got nothing but good things to say about Time Warner's internet service... Their tech support, on the other hand, needs a little work. |
| 07:37.51 | ieatlint | but the agreement only covered towers that existed in 2002, new towers are not shared |
| 07:38.12 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: That's gay as hell. |
| 07:38.54 | rivalarrival | You can pick up a prepaid sim card from any of them to try them out without getting stuck with a contract. |
| 07:38.56 | ieatlint | eh... my only complaints about tmobile is how badly they're screwing up the 3g rollout |
| 07:39.16 | rivalarrival | Oh, I've got bigger complaints with t-mobile. |
| 07:39.16 | ieatlint | actually, talk to the people at the store |
| 07:39.18 | rivalarrival | :-) |
| 07:39.42 | ieatlint | in california, you have 14 days trial -- you can cancel a contract for any reason within 14 days, and you pay a prorated amount for the month |
| 07:40.09 | kd8ikt | lol i was talkin to my cousin and he's like i'm waiting for the gta03 series :P |
| 07:40.20 | kd8ikt | "cause i need a camera" :P\ |
| 07:40.39 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 07:40.51 | rivalarrival | I advise against talking to the people in the store - between them and the people who will actually do the billing, there is a lot of "No, we would never do that" |
| 07:41.15 | rivalarrival | and a whole lot of them actually doing it. |
| 07:41.17 | ieatlint | i was telling a friend about the phone and mistakenly called it gta02 .. "gta02 is out!" ... "uhm, yeah, gta4 came out like 2 months ago" |
| 07:41.56 | ieatlint | rivalarrival, which is why it's all in writing here, and you have to sign a document (which you get a copy of) acknowledging the 14 day trial period |
| 07:42.13 | kd8ikt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_codes |
| 07:42.36 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: Yeah... Still easier to get a prepaid and not deal with their bullshit about canceling. |
| 07:42.54 | ieatlint | prepaid costs like $30+ though... spare phone though |
| 07:42.57 | rivalarrival | Or, even better, borrow a friend's sim card. |
| 07:43.04 | ieatlint | yep |
| 07:43.43 | rivalarrival | I don't even want the company to be aware that I exist until I'm ready to sign the contract. I've gotten screwed a couple times. |
| 07:43.57 | rivalarrival | Verizon REALLY hosed me about 10 years back. |
| 07:44.17 | kd8ikt | yeah they gave me bad credit cause i defaulted on a phone contract when i was like 17 |
| 07:44.44 | kd8ikt | screw verizon |
| 07:44.58 | kd8ikt | its a phone for christsake not a car/house |
| 07:45.24 | rivalarrival | Same - Military transferred me from California, didn't have coverage in Texas. Federal law says they have to end the contract in this situation, they refused, it finally dropped off my credit a couple years ago. |
| 07:45.55 | kd8ikt | now i cant get a loan without a cosigner |
| 07:45.59 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r7e3006a2fed8 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/openezx/ (channel.py modem.py unsolicited.py): ogsmd: [OPENEZX] add unsolicited channel for /dev/mux0 and parse +CIEV as well as the proprietary +EOPER |
| 07:46.00 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4a334428e3c7 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/openezx/ (modem.py unsolicited.py): ogsmd: [MOTOROLA EZX] add more docs |
| 07:46.00 | ieatlint | eh, financial institutions are all the same |
| 07:46.09 | rivalarrival | kd8ikt: Try Prosper.com |
| 07:46.09 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r8fdabc0841cb 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: make clear what's mandatory and what's optional |
| 07:46.16 | ieatlint | tmobile hasn't fucked me over, and i'm 5+ years with them |
| 07:46.39 | rivalarrival | Only problem I have with t-mobile is tech support lying through their teeth. |
| 07:47.03 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 07:47.03 | walrustown | I think I like the prepaid idea :) |
| 07:47.06 | ieatlint | they've never lied to me |
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| 07:47.54 | kd8ikt | so its like, an community bank? i request and someone accepts and gets the profit? |
| 07:48.07 | rivalarrival | three years ago, they told me that to send an e-mail, I had to forward it to the shortcode for the sms-to-email gateway |
| 07:48.13 | rivalarrival | Ok, no problem |
| 07:48.19 | rivalarrival | Then, that stopped working |
| 07:48.37 | wizkoder | morning everybody :-) |
| 07:49.25 | rivalarrival | So, called them up, asked what was going on, described how I had been doing things. "No, you have to use the actual e-mail address, not the shortcode" |
| 07:49.37 | rivalarrival | "We NEVER had you sending e-mail to a shortcode" |
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| 07:50.13 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 07:50.18 | ieatlint | as with everything, your results may vary |
| 07:50.20 | wizkoder | I got qemu running yesterday. Means I get a small window that displays qtopia. I can switch to the console with Str-Alt-2. But cannot execute any commands. why is that? |
| 07:50.49 | rivalarrival | or "No, there is no way to shut off your number@tmomail.net address - so you have to deal with all that spam" |
| 07:51.05 | ieatlint | that was a lie, you can do it on their website |
| 07:51.55 | rivalarrival | and then, a year later, when I wanted to turn it back on: "No, it's not turned off - you should be receiving anything sent to your number@tmomail.net" |
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| 07:52.11 | kd8ikt | prosper looks great i'll keep that in mind when i need cash |
| 07:52.26 | rivalarrival | kd8ikt: Yes, I'm a lender there... It's VERY nice. |
| 07:52.49 | wizkoder | I also cannot klick the icons on that screen, I just have a message telling me there is no network connection. did I forget something? :-) |
| 07:52.54 | rivalarrival | Well, for lenders anyway - never tried to borrow money from them. |
| 07:53.04 | kd8ikt | what happens when someone you lend to doesnt payup |
| 07:53.15 | kd8ikt | *disapears* |
| 07:53.33 | rivalarrival | I've got 1 out of 26 loans that has done exactly that. |
| 07:54.11 | rivalarrival | They've sent a collection agency after him, but if they can't collect, I write it off as a loss. |
| 07:54.31 | kd8ikt | hope it wasnt a lot |
| 07:54.37 | rivalarrival | 50 bucks. |
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| 07:54.42 | rivalarrival | well, 45. |
| 07:54.53 | rivalarrival | he paid back $5 before he left. |
| 07:55.11 | kd8ikt | what a dick |
| 07:55.17 | rivalarrival | Eh, it happens. |
| 07:55.18 | Karrde | My FR just arrived with a few of its brethren. |
| 07:55.38 | kd8ikt | hope 50 bucks was worth the massive screw over on his credit report |
| 07:55.49 | rivalarrival | oh, it wasn't 50 bucks to him |
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| 07:55.56 | rivalarrival | It was like 5 grand. |
| 07:56.08 | rivalarrival | *I* lost 50 bucks, as did about 100 other people. |
| 07:56.39 | kd8ikt | Karrde: you got your phone>? |
| 07:57.02 | kd8ikt | so that means he has like 100 bad hits on his credit report? |
| 07:57.08 | Karrde | 12 of them, actually |
| 07:57.12 | rivalarrival | no |
| 07:57.25 | kd8ikt | dang send me one |
| 07:57.35 | rivalarrival | The way it works, prosper actually writes the loan, and they service it. |
| 07:57.36 | Karrde | well, only seven left now |
| 07:57.54 | rivalarrival | The "lenders" are really loan purchasers. |
| 07:58.33 | rivalarrival | only one loan has actually been written, so only one hit on his report. |
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| 07:59.03 | free-radical | hey guys, when will a 3g capable version arrive? would it really cost that much to add such an unit? |
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| 08:00.11 | kd8ikt | 3g? |
| 08:00.16 | rivalarrival | free-radical: Patience, grasshopper. |
| 08:00.38 | kd8ikt | EGPRS? |
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| 08:02.51 | free-radical | rivalarrival: more verbose?! and not that harsh maybe?! |
| 08:03.55 | rivalarrival | free-radical: Ok, well, the 3G version of OpenMoko will be rolled out at a later date. Your call is important to us. Please continue to hold for the next available generation. |
| 08:04.11 | rivalarrival | :-) |
| 08:04.17 | KrisAbsinthe_ | MWAHHHH. The beast is complete. Neo1973 with Solar panel |
| 08:05.34 | ahven | what's the panels output? |
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| 08:06.07 | rivalarrival | 3 megawatts - it's really more of a solarpanel with a NEO1973 duct taped to it. |
| 08:06.28 | KrisAbsinthe_ | Multimeter reported 1.1v inside with florecent office lighting. |
| 08:07.11 | rivalarrival | But, with a clear day, that 3 megawatts can (barely) supply enough power to keep your phone running overnight. |
| 08:07.27 | tobii_ | KrisAbsinthe: show us a picture |
| 08:07.28 | tobii_ | ;D |
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| 08:07.40 | rivalarrival | It's photoshopped |
| 08:07.42 | KrisAbsinthe_ | sure, going to upload it now |
| 08:08.01 | KrisAbsinthe_ | if it were photoshoped it would be a little cleaner lol |
| 08:08.16 | rivalarrival | It is. I can tell by the pixels. :-) |
| 08:08.59 | alphabeat | and from having seen a lot of 'shops in your time rivalarrival |
| 08:09.10 | rivalarrival | ^ |
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| 08:10.55 | kd8ikt | ah yah did it |
| 08:11.04 | kd8ikt | hope it works and doesnt melt something |
| 08:12.17 | KrisAbsinthe_ | I want to put a diode in line to prevent back flow |
| 08:12.29 | rivalarrival | With all the accelerometers, I'm surprised a "shake to charge" feature isn't present. |
| 08:12.46 | kd8ikt | heh dont think that would work |
| 08:12.49 | rivalarrival | like those dinky little flashlights. |
| 08:12.56 | kd8ikt | its not like those flashlights |
| 08:13.30 | kd8ikt | those have large copper coils and big ass magnets |
| 08:13.36 | Psi | haha shake to charge |
| 08:13.47 | rivalarrival | I always move the hyphen one space to the right... |
| 08:13.49 | KrisAbsinthe_ | http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l274/subfunction/PIC-0007.jpg |
| 08:13.50 | rivalarrival | big ass-magnets |
| 08:14.05 | kd8ikt | thats awesome |
| 08:14.22 | kd8ikt | whats that cell rated for output? |
| 08:14.26 | rivalarrival | What's that on there with, gaffer's tape? |
| 08:14.36 | KrisAbsinthe_ | 3.5v |
| 08:14.42 | tobii_ | nice |
| 08:14.50 | KrisAbsinthe_ | Super glue it melded with the plastic |
| 08:14.58 | rivalarrival | Nice. |
| 08:15.19 | KrisAbsinthe_ | hope to add 1/3 the battery life |
| 08:15.25 | rivalarrival | Yeah, so, that thing would make a nice torpedo level. |
| 08:16.34 | TAsn | KrisAbsinthe_, all you really need is those big bags with solar panels and a usb socket... ;) |
| 08:17.13 | TAsn | *by bags i mean back packs... |
| 08:17.30 | KrisAbsinthe_ | depends, the Neo1973 wont charge off any USB that isnt a smart charger |
| 08:17.36 | kd8ikt | http://www.voltaicsystems.com/ |
| 08:17.50 | kd8ikt | (solar backpacks) |
| 08:17.51 | TAsn | KrisAbsinthe_, really? what about the fr? |
| 08:18.05 | kd8ikt | w/usb outputs i believe |
| 08:18.28 | KrisAbsinthe_ | that bag is bad ass |
| 08:18.43 | KrisAbsinthe_ | I know nothing about the FR |
| 08:18.54 | kd8ikt | i sent em an email once asking for a "conversion kit" so i could take an existing pack and add the junk to it they said cool but it would cost a bit |
| 08:19.18 | TAsn | kd8ikt, what junk? |
| 08:19.27 | kd8ikt | solar backpack crap |
| 08:19.31 | KrisAbsinthe_ | you can get a 12v solar panel for $100, remove the resistor and it WILL start a car |
| 08:19.46 | TAsn | kd8ikt, oh, re read and got you. :) |
| 08:19.52 | rivalarrival | KrisAbsinthe_: I'm waving a bullshit flag |
| 08:20.23 | kd8ikt | i felt they were full of crap to charge me almost more then a backpack for solar panels and charger |
| 08:20.31 | TAsn | KrisAbsinthe_, anyhow, cool mode :) i would really like to see some other cool mods in the future :) |
| 08:20.56 | TAsn | kd8ikt, you can just buy a backpack and disassemble, or does that cost even more? |
| 08:21.12 | KrisAbsinthe_ | I used to charge car batteries to watch TV when my electric got cut off. |
| 08:21.16 | TAsn | kd8ikt, aren't there any nice solar panels in radio shack? |
| 08:21.23 | kd8ikt | i'll send em another email later saying my current pack broke and i need a replacement cell/power pack |
| 08:21.34 | kd8ikt | nah ratshack is crap |
| 08:21.49 | rivalarrival | Try tractor supply co. |
| 08:22.06 | rivalarrival | They had a solar kit, and a wind kit, looked fairly affordable. |
| 08:22.18 | kd8ikt | i'll have to check that at |
| 08:22.34 | kd8ikt | make myself a UPS for my computers/routers |
| 08:22.45 | kd8ikt | for power outages |
| 08:23.02 | rivalarrival | I have a UPS that I plug into my car battery. |
| 08:23.26 | rivalarrival | puts out plenty of power, but it does get pretty hot. |
| 08:23.52 | kd8ikt | probably too manny amps |
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| 08:24.27 | rivalarrival | The UPS was designed for a 20 minute lifespan - I would run it all day. |
| 08:26.35 | rivalarrival | Alright, my freerunner is 5 hours out of Sunnyvale - where's it headed? |
| 08:27.40 | rivalarrival | http://xkcd.com/ |
| 08:27.51 | rivalarrival | This has been me for the past two weeks |
| 08:28.17 | kd8ikt | UPS says i'll get mine exactly next fri |
| 08:29.19 | kd8ikt | given that i drive down to lexington that day to meet/greet the group sales guy and pay him in person |
| 08:29.32 | kd8ikt | 2hr drive give or take |
| 08:31.24 | KrisAbsinthe_ | im outa here |
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| 08:35.42 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:48.48 | wizkoder | why can't I execute "ifdown" in the qemu -> openmoko console? Not via ssh but changed into by ctr-alt-2. The command is unknown |
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| 08:51.51 | wizkoder | does nobody know? or is my question too stupid to be answered? :-) |
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| 08:52.59 | HauDyrArb | strange |
| 08:54.45 | edistar | wizkoder: it works on the device itself.. |
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| 08:55.54 | wizkoder | edistar: I do not understand. what device? I do not own any hardware yet |
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| 08:57.49 | ChandleWEi | have Anyone know apm ? I exec apm --monitor that show me below message " line: off , Battery: -1%(?) .Why is -1%? |
| 08:58.04 | ieatlint | wizkoder, "ifdown" is a script |
| 08:58.29 | ieatlint | if the command is not found, you are either not running it as root or the script doesn't exist on that distribution of linux |
| 08:59.51 | ieatlint | ChandleWEi, are you sure apm is supported? ... i'm not familiar with the openmoko software, but it may use acpi exclusively |
| 09:00.38 | ieatlint | take a look in /proc/acpi/battery ... there should be a like "bat0" and then two files.. cat the one that says "state" and it'll give you battery info if acpi is supported |
| 09:00.50 | ChandleWEi | ieatlint: yes it was installed before I get it . |
| 09:02.03 | wizkoder | The Toolchain wiki page gives you only instructions for ubuntu 8.04. And states that older versions do not support libmokoui2. so I can't run it there? |
| 09:02.05 | ieatlint | apm is one of those outdated/legacy things that was entirely replace by acpi i thought |
| 09:02.17 | ChandleWEi | ieatlint: maybe I think not support acpi , opkg list|grep acpi not find ,and /proc/apci not find too |
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| 09:03.07 | ieatlint | yeah, that would mean no acpi |
| 09:03.28 | ieatlint | as i said, i'm not at all familiar with any openmoko image |
| 09:03.38 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 09:03.48 | ChandleWEi | ieatlint: thx |
| 09:03.49 | ieatlint | sounds like apm is incorrectly configured or lacks support for the specific hardware |
| 09:04.27 | kd8ikt | i'll know about GTA02's factory firmware next week when i toy with it |
| 09:04.39 | ChandleWEi | ieatlint: It work fine yesterday , but know I don't know what happen |
| 09:04.41 | ieatlint | i'm hoping i'll know tomorrow |
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| 09:05.12 | ieatlint | initially they told me it'd be delivered tomorrow, then they said monday... but the tracking page shows it arriving at midnight at the closest ups hub to me |
| 09:05.19 | rivalarrival | Damnit, I've got to wait until next thursday, earliest. |
| 09:05.21 | ieatlint | so here's to hoping they put it on the truck tomorrow |
| 09:05.47 | kd8ikt | i saw a youtube video someone posted today of himself getting his freerunner today |
| 09:07.05 | kd8ikt | laughed the whole time watching him go ape nuts trying to figure out how to open the brown box |
| 09:07.20 | kd8ikt | picking at the tape with his fingers lawl |
| 09:07.29 | kd8ikt | noob |
| 09:07.53 | ieatlint | this is why i have knives, box cutters, etc |
| 09:08.14 | kd8ikt | ieatlint: have a kuh nife handy and a webcam so you can post it on youtube ;) |
| 09:08.25 | ieatlint | also have some scalpels |
| 09:08.43 | ieatlint | yeah, i'll record myself accidently cutting my hand badly while trying to open the thing, it'll be hilarious |
| 09:09.06 | ieatlint | i have health insurance... it'd be a waste not to get hurt every now and then |
| 09:09.32 | kd8ikt | i just hate how he stopped after it was open, i was like dang boot it!!! toy around a bit i wanna see! |
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| 09:09.50 | kd8ikt | thats like having a stripper leave the room after she gets naked |
| 09:10.15 | ieatlint | i think that's what strippers do, actually |
| 09:10.29 | rivalarrival | Yeah, you're thinking of "whores" |
| 09:10.34 | kd8ikt | holy crap she needs to dance around me a few min and put her poot in my face |
| 09:10.48 | kd8ikt | havent you ever had a lapdance? |
| 09:10.49 | ieatlint | it's like you're reading my mind |
| 09:11.09 | ieatlint | yeah, once... strippers don't do it for me |
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| 09:11.22 | rivalarrival | I'd prefer "whores" to strippers. |
| 09:11.40 | ieatlint | and i prefer my girlfriend |
| 09:12.39 | rivalarrival | Any way you go, it's going to cost a fortune. I figure I might as well get exactly what I'm paying for. |
| 09:12.42 | rivalarrival | :-) |
| 09:12.53 | ieatlint | haha |
| 09:12.55 | ieatlint | true enough |
| 09:13.01 | kd8ikt | muwahaha |
| 09:13.05 | ieatlint | less chance of disease with my choice |
| 09:14.13 | rivalarrival | Eh, maybe, maybe not. When you're putting it a working woman, you know what you're getting yourself into. A girlfriend probably wouldn't want you to know about that time behind the gas station... |
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| 09:14.38 | kd8ikt | lol |
| 09:14.45 | rivalarrival | Or on the band bus. |
| 09:14.54 | ieatlint | my girl isn't the typical girl :) |
| 09:14.54 | kd8ikt | or that time she was called "finger cuffs" |
| 09:14.54 | rivalarrival | Or under the bleachers |
| 09:16.09 | rivalarrival | Besides, girlfriends have a nasty habit of becoming "wives" |
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| 09:16.40 | rivalarrival | which are far more expensive. |
| 09:17.12 | ieatlint | eh, she and i don't fit the stereotypes |
| 09:17.35 | ieatlint | afterall, me myself... a geek that's not a virgin is somewhat rare in itself |
| 09:17.52 | kd8ikt | ... thats not a stereo type thats life |
| 09:18.09 | kd8ikt | the sexually transmitted disease called life |
| 09:18.50 | rivalarrival | fuck. Chirping of doom. |
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| 09:20.24 | rivalarrival | Good morning, all. I need a nap. |
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| 09:31.14 | ChandleWEi | what software can be use under openmoko? |
| 09:31.48 | ChandleWEi | which pdf software can be use under openmoko? |
| 09:32.05 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r1b65b2d657c1 10/otapi/ (3 files in 2 dirs): OTAPI: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM: document optional and require tuples for GetSimInfo() |
| 09:32.06 | ChandleWEi | I can't find xpdf by opkg list|grep xpdf |
| 09:33.11 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * recb69ee99d97 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (modems/abstract/mediator.py objects.py): ogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetInfo() -> a{sv}. |
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| 09:53.47 | Psi | does the 'first dim then lock' option tell gta01 to suspend or does the cpu keep running? |
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| 10:02.45 | Lemmih | Hiya, I'm considering buying a Freerunner phone but the store said that the hardware might change in the near future. What's the scope on this? Will the phone get some important new hardware in the next couple of months? |
| 10:02.59 | newb | hmmmm |
| 10:03.06 | newb | i just ordered two of them |
| 10:03.54 | newb | Lemmih: maybe u will see a HSDPA module on it instead of the GPRS it comes with now |
| 10:04.08 | diego_at_work | don't think so |
| 10:04.28 | diego_at_work | HSDPA, is very expensive |
| 10:05.14 | igor321 | it will be EDGE |
| 10:05.15 | diego_at_work | Psi: it dims the backlight and after i while it suspends the cpu |
| 10:05.39 | Lemmih | So it's relatively safe to get one now? There aren't definite plans to add 3G or a better battery? |
| 10:05.48 | trickie | they are working in a GTA03 which is a revision of the GTA02, only thing i remember reading about is ditching the Glamo and maybe a new screen |
| 10:05.59 | trickie | but i do nto really know |
| 10:06.06 | igor321 | yeah, and a camera |
| 10:06.17 | igor321 | but that's coming who-knows-when |
| 10:06.31 | kd8ikt | and a personal massager |
| 10:06.52 | kd8ikt | any1 wanna see my rickroll link? |
| 10:06.53 | igor321 | no, it ain't comin with a massager |
| 10:08.40 | Psi | diego_at_work: so i shouldnt use that option? |
| 10:09.07 | kd8ikt | its deadly |
| 10:09.13 | Psi | for realiable operation i mean |
| 10:09.41 | Psi | *reliable |
| 10:10.18 | trickie | Psi: i have had some issues waking up again if it suspends for longer than 10 mins |
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| 10:10.35 | trickie | but i think that is a known issue being worked on |
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| 10:13.27 | kd8ikt | think they plan on giving the video a dedicated bus? |
| 10:13.40 | kd8ikt | that can sure be a deal breaker |
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| 10:34.34 | abraxa_ | trickie: ~GTA03 was added yesterday to help peeps like Lemmih :) |
| 10:34.48 | abraxa_ | ~GTA03 |
| 10:34.49 | apt | somebody said gta03 was preliminarily edge/quad/camera/new case/no gpu, but that's preliminary plans. No schedule, don't expect it too soon. |
| 10:35.41 | ahven | hmm, edge? then there is somekind of hope :) |
| 10:35.53 | ahven | there may be* |
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| 10:40.01 | ahven | what package was required to playback mp3-s with mediaplayer? |
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| 10:55.21 | trickie | abraxa_: ok good to know :) |
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| 10:57.17 | abraxa_ | ahven: gst-plugin-mad |
| 10:57.26 | abraxa_ | It should be in the dependencies, though |
| 10:59.03 | ahven | already installed but gstreamer refuses to play mp3-s |
| 11:00.44 | kd8ikt | glamo :P |
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| 11:09.25 | abraxa_ | ahven: Okay, debugging mode then :) |
| 11:09.45 | abraxa_ | ahven: gst-launch-0.20 playbin file:///media/card/some.mp3 |
| 11:09.50 | abraxa_ | -0.10 I mean |
| 11:10.00 | abraxa_ | gnagha |
| 11:10.10 | abraxa_ | gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=file:///media/card/some.mp3 |
| 11:10.11 | abraxa_ | There |
| 11:10.29 | dachary | can I use openmoko neo as a regular phone in france ? |
| 11:10.41 | abraxa_ | dachary: yup |
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| 11:10.52 | bigon | hi |
| 11:11.04 | bigon | any feedback with the freerunner in belgium? |
| 11:11.29 | ahven | root@om-gta01:~# gst-launch-0.10 playbin file:///media/card/mp3/Justmade-Thrown\ Away.mp3 |
| 11:11.29 | ahven | Setting pipeline to PAUSED ... |
| 11:11.29 | ahven | ERROR: Pipeline doesn't want to pause. |
| 11:11.29 | ahven | ERROR: from element /playbin0: No URI specified to play from. |
| 11:11.29 | ahven | Additional debug info: |
| 11:11.29 | ahven | gstplaybasebin.c(1632): gen_source_element (): /playbin0 |
| 11:11.32 | ahven | Setting pipeline to NULL ... |
| 11:11.34 | ahven | FREEING pipeline ... |
| 11:11.35 | dachary | abraxa_: i should buy a mobile chip or something ? believe it or not, i've never had a mobile phone before. I was waiting for openmoko all these years :-) |
| 11:11.44 | abraxa_ | heya bigon - Last time I checked you have GSM, so no problem there :) |
| 11:11.51 | bigon | :p |
| 11:11.57 | ahven | aah |
| 11:12.09 | ahven | half a string, just a sec.. |
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| 11:12.23 | bigon | well I was talking about 3g sim card (in)compatibility |
| 11:12.27 | bigon | :p |
| 11:12.35 | abraxa_ | dachary: By "mobile chip" you mean a SIM card? |
| 11:12.51 | dachary | yes, I guess |
| 11:12.58 | ahven | ** Message: don't know how to handle application/x-apetag |
| 11:12.58 | ahven | Pipeline is PREROLLING ... |
| 11:12.58 | ahven | ERROR: from element /playbin0: You do not have a decoder installed to handle this file. You might need to install the necessary plugins |
| 11:14.15 | abraxa_ | ahven: Ah, that file has an Ape Tag. You need to install gst-plugin-apetag to load it |
| 11:14.59 | bumbl | how long does it take to see a single satilite with openmoko-agpsui on average? |
| 11:15.01 | abraxa_ | bigon: Honestly, I haven't heard of 3G problems related to the FR. |
| 11:15.52 | ahven | abraxa_, thanks, seem to be playing |
| 11:16.01 | ahven | device is in another building atm |
| 11:16.15 | abraxa_ | dachary: Well, you might want to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Local_Groups - maybe you can meet/get in touch with others in your area |
| 11:16.48 | dachary | thanks |
| 11:16.59 | abraxa_ | bumbl: Anywhere from 30s - 6 minutes, depending on how borked your model is |
| 11:17.35 | bumbl | abraxa_ I haven't got a single one in over half an hour |
| 11:17.37 | ahven | my 01 has a 3G SIM and no problems connecting to GSM with it |
| 11:17.56 | abraxa_ | bumbl: Then you got bitten by the GPS bug |
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| 11:19.29 | bumbl | abraxa_: so is this inlcluded in the warrenty? |
| 11:19.31 | playya | hi |
| 11:19.47 | playya | anyone knows how to fix this problem: http://pastebin.ca/1069052 |
| 11:20.12 | abraxa_ | bumbl: You're German so you have warranty by law. Nothing to worry about. |
| 11:20.27 | abraxa_ | bumbl: Oh wait. Austrian. Hm, dunno the situation there :) |
| 11:20.55 | bumbl | Austria has 24 months warranty too |
| 11:22.00 | abraxa_ | playya: "not a git repository" - sounds awfully familiar. |
| 11:22.07 | bumbl | and I bought it in Germany -> 24 months |
| 11:22.27 | TAsn | abraxa_, are you saying there's a bug in the gps? what does it do? any official comments? am i not liable to get a new device? |
| 11:22.52 | abraxa_ | playya: Doing a "git pull" in the OE dir helped me but you tried that already... |
| 11:23.19 | playya | yes |
| 11:23.38 | playya | i also tried to remove openembedded and setup again |
| 11:23.58 | playya | Already up-to-date. |
| 11:24.06 | abraxa_ | TAsn: Yeah, the circuit switching between internal and external antenna is faulty for some. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/020961.html |
| 11:24.40 | TAsn | abraxa_, but isn't that a DOA malfunction? |
| 11:24.48 | abraxa_ | TAsn: It is |
| 11:25.05 | TAsn | oh, ok :) |
| 11:25.07 | abraxa_ | TAsn: You might want to formally declare your Neo DOA, just to be safe. |
| 11:25.24 | TAsn | what do you mean? |
| 11:25.37 | playya | lets try again |
| 11:26.01 | abraxa_ | TAsn: Let the company you purchased it from know that the GPS of your Neo is DOA. |
| 11:26.17 | playya | dead or alive? |
| 11:26.25 | abraxa_ | playya: Dead on arrival |
| 11:26.32 | playya | ah ok |
| 11:27.25 | TAsn | abraxa_, i c. so even if i buy it from the official OM there's no worry? |
| 11:27.34 | abraxa_ | TAsn: You can rest assured, though - some people in Taiwan are running around with pretty pale faces for the past few days. |
| 11:27.47 | TAsn | abraxa_, hehe :) |
| 11:28.04 | TAsn | btw does using an external ant fixes the issue? |
| 11:28.37 | TAsn | since you did say the switching circuit is the problem :) |
| 11:28.40 | abraxa_ | TAsn: I don't think they're going to screw anyone over as Wolfgang said that they'll get everyone's phone working properly. Can never harm to be safe, though, and for that you need to make your claim known within the limited warranty period. |
| 11:29.10 | polz | abraxa_: who's going to pay for the shipping, then ? |
| 11:29.14 | abraxa_ | TAsn: Yes it does - all's well with external |
| 11:29.29 | TAsn | abraxa_, well my biggest problem is that my uncle is buying one for me, and i can't be sure i will get mine within the 14 days period. |
| 11:29.54 | abraxa_ | TAsn: "is buying" - did he buy it already? |
| 11:30.10 | rivalarrival | If he didn't, they are probably gone... |
| 11:30.16 | TAsn | abraxa_, nope, he will on the 25th when OM.com will sell 900s.... |
| 11:30.22 | abraxa_ | polz: I assume Openmoko since it's their fault. |
| 11:30.55 | TAsn | *are supposed to sell the 900s :) |
| 11:31.00 | polz | hmm.. too bad it took my neo more than 14 days to get to me. |
| 11:31.20 | abraxa_ | TAsn: Ah okay. Maybe they wiped out the problems by then |
| 11:31.30 | TAsn | abraxa_, i really do hope so :) |
| 11:31.33 | abraxa_ | polz: Doesn't matter. It's 14 days after arrival, not departure ;) |
| 11:31.40 | bigon | is it a way to identify FR touched by the gps bug by looking at the serialnumber or something? |
| 11:31.41 | polz | oh, and has anyone successfully returned their non-working headphones ? I remember I wasn't the only one having problems with those |
| 11:31.53 | abraxa_ | bigon: Nope. Only hardware tests help |
| 11:31.56 | polz | abraxa_: a friend smuggled it across the atlantic :) |
| 11:32.09 | abraxa_ | polz: lol... okay, that's different ;) |
| 11:32.10 | bigon | o |
| 11:32.10 | Ainulindale | abraxa_: is there any formal test to do ? |
| 11:32.11 | bigon | k |
| 11:32.15 | Ainulindale | As I'll get mine today |
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| 11:32.42 | playya | i remove everything and compile from the beginning |
| 11:32.49 | playya | hope this will fix it |
| 11:33.26 | polz | btw, what do you guys think will come first - a Nokia FreePhone or an Openmoko without hardware issues ? :> |
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| 11:34.24 | MrShlee | Maybe the android? |
| 11:34.40 | abraxa_ | Ainulindale: Yeah. ssh into the Neo, "opkg install openmoko-agpsui", start it, put the Neo next to a window (or outside) and wait. If you don't have a fix after 10 minutes, you got hit. |
| 11:34.50 | polz | MrShlee: the android is closed, I don't care about them :) |
| 11:35.13 | Ainulindale | abraxa_: ok, will try that then |
| 11:35.20 | MrShlee | I care about the openmoko enough to live with minor hardware issues.. :) |
| 11:35.34 | abraxa_ | polz: Nokia... Free... who are you kidding |
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| 11:36.14 | bigon | abraxa_, actually nokia bought symbian to release it under Eclipse Public License |
| 11:36.14 | polz | abraxa_: well, they're paying for QTopia development, so they might as well produce a phone using that |
| 11:36.26 | playya | nokia bought Qtopia and they can still develop for OM |
| 11:36.29 | polz | abraxa_: perhaps with older and/or cheaper hardware |
| 11:37.01 | playya | i tried to run android on my n800 |
| 11:37.15 | playya | but the only thing i get is a complete freeze |
| 11:37.22 | polz | personally doesn't give a *expletive* about Openmoko. |
| 11:37.34 | polz | I'll buy whatever is Free, regardless of the brand |
| 11:38.35 | polz | and at the moment, the phones produced by OpenMoko are the only ones that even get close |
| 11:38.46 | MrShlee | So your a coder looking for a platform? |
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| 11:39.48 | polz | MrShlee: actually, I'm a paranoid scrooge who is afraid that the producer of the phone might drop their support |
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| 11:40.30 | polz | MrShlee: and I like to beleive that if I choose to do so, I can alter the hardware in my phone without too much trouble. |
| 11:41.12 | polz | hmm... OK, not really alter, but add hardware to the phone |
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| 11:44.28 | abraxa_ | polz: Yeah, like adding UMTS to the Neo. It would look stupid but it *is* possible :) |
| 11:44.51 | newb | any one know why the qemu openmoko freezes on my system with a jffs2 notice and warning? |
| 11:45.09 | polz | abraxa_: I was thinking more along the lines of a keyboard, connected to I2C |
| 11:45.20 | MrShlee | polz: if the hardware is dropped.. that would suck - but the development community will continue coding.. |
| 11:45.27 | MrShlee | Anyone started SCUMMVM yet? |
| 11:45.45 | polz | MrShlee: sure, it's included in Scaredycat's builds by default |
| 11:46.14 | abraxa_ | newb: pastebin is your friend :) (though no, I have no experience with qemu) |
| 11:46.18 | polz | it doesn't work that well with only one mouse button, though :) |
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| 11:46.43 | abraxa_ | polz: There's a patched version/fork out there who remedies that. I'll have to find it |
| 11:46.54 | newb | abraxa_ : will it hamper my s/w development when i do finally get the device? |
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| 11:48.41 | abraxa_ | newb: "it"? |
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| 11:50.17 | newb | abraxa_ will qemu not working hamper my s/w development? |
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| 11:52.21 | MrShlee | polz: If you can easily hold alt while clicking. should work |
| 11:52.32 | abraxa_ | newb: Honestly? qemu is not suitable for software development :) |
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| 11:58.32 | ahven | wow.. |
| 11:58.45 | ahven | cpu usage has normalised :) |
| 11:58.52 | ahven | ack |
| 11:58.59 | ahven | load is still > 1:P |
| 11:59.42 | raster | load is not a great measure of system usage often as it never is instant |
| 11:59.47 | raster | it takes a while to average out |
| 12:00.29 | SpeedEvil | Also it's a poor indication of CPU load. |
| 12:00.39 | SpeedEvil | Run 500 sleep 1h's. |
| 12:00.51 | SpeedEvil | The machine'll be just as responsive as before. |
| 12:01.03 | SpeedEvil | With a load average of 500 |
| 12:02.42 | raster | its just a poor indication. full stop |
| 12:05.34 | newb | abraxa_ so it's fine as long as i have the toolchain built on my system right? :) |
| 12:05.41 | SpeedEvil | Anyone with a stupidly fast computer able to report on comparable speed of qemu? |
| 12:06.29 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Any idea if qemu is multithreaded? |
| 12:06.58 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r55ac41aa33fe 10/packages/busybox/ (busybox-1.9.2/defconfig busybox_1.9.2.bb): [busybox] enable mdev to be able to experiment in OM |
| 12:06.59 | abraxa_ | newb: Yeah, though it still depends on what exactly you want to do. |
| 12:07.26 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: don't think so |
| 12:07.38 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: that'd be quite tricky to do |
| 12:07.58 | newb | abraxa_: make GTK+ applications |
| 12:08.09 | newb | abraxa_: with Cairo and OpenGL acceleration |
| 12:08.44 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Hmm, so "stupidly fast" really just refers to the MHz count... |
| 12:08.58 | abraxa_ | newb: OpenGL acceleration? What for? |
| 12:09.30 | newb | abraxa_: i want to create some funky interfaces with Cairo :) |
| 12:09.42 | newb | Cairo on openGL is faster than with X |
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| 12:09.55 | abraxa_ | newb: Hm okay... they'll be terribly slow, though, if you want them to run on GTA02/03 |
| 12:09.57 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra33d11c36e6a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up exposure to srcrev 55 to fix blank vs suspend timeout. |
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| 12:11.09 | newb | abraxa_: OpenGL embedded. i thought GTA02 has a built in 3d accelerator from S-Media? |
| 12:11.33 | SpeedEvil | newb: that diddn't work out so well |
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| 12:11.44 | SpeedEvil | newb: it's not really a functional accellerator at 3D |
| 12:11.46 | abraxa_ | newb: I'll leave that to raster, he always enjoys breaking the news to people |
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| 12:12.22 | raster | abraxa_: you do the honors |
| 12:12.22 | SpeedEvil | newb: raster has been driven utterly insane by it, and has been found telling rocks how bad it is, after trying to write drivers. |
| 12:13.00 | igor321 | telling rocks?!?!!!!!11! |
| 12:13.00 | SpeedEvil | newb: on balance, the glamo is probably a wash on performance in many areas. |
| 12:13.44 | abraxa_ | raster: Bummer... |
| 12:13.50 | SpeedEvil | newb: there are some aspects in which it's good, but equal areas in which it just gets in the way by being a limit. |
| 12:14.09 | igor321 | does anyone know how slow is the opengl software fallback? |
| 12:14.15 | raster | the glamo is a gfx chip |
| 12:14.16 | newb | SpeedEvil: so u mean there is no scope for 3d on Gta02? |
| 12:14.17 | raster | it can do accel |
| 12:14.17 | SpeedEvil | Primarilyy that it's connected over a bus about the speed of a 16 bit ISA card. |
| 12:14.29 | raster | but only to a certain limied extent envisaged by tis designers |
| 12:14.34 | raster | rememebr the glamo is about 4-5 years old |
| 12:14.37 | abraxa_ | newb: What SpeedEvil is trying to say is... there is no 3D. There's no driver, there won't be no driver because of stupid NDAs and it'll be removed in future hardware releases. |
| 12:14.37 | raster | as a chip |
| 12:14.53 | raster | VGA is at the absolute maximum limit of its output abilites |
| 12:14.57 | newb | i thought i saw qtopia doing a cover style shift on the GTA02 |
| 12:14.57 | raster | andwhen ti comes to 3d - it shows |
| 12:15.00 | raster | it cant even do vga |
| 12:15.08 | raster | max 3d buffer size is 511x511 |
| 12:15.18 | raster | newb: it's doing it in software |
| 12:15.36 | raster | u dont need hardware opengl to do simple 3d-ish effects |
| 12:15.42 | raster | people have been doing them for decades without it |
| 12:15.50 | raster | hell i have a 3d engine of my own |
| 12:15.58 | raster | i quickly compild it for my freerunner |
| 12:16.02 | igor321 | raster: so qvga 3d is possible in software? |
| 12:16.03 | newb | raster: oh :) i didn't know that |
| 12:16.04 | raster | it manages 7fps in 480x640 |
| 12:16.16 | newb | raster: hmmm... that's real bad |
| 12:16.18 | gmaxwell | abraxa_: why the heck was it included with such obvious problems? Someone need to dump some chips cheaply? :) |
| 12:16.20 | raster | with trexture mapping, gouraud shading lightsourceand even lens flare:) |
| 12:16.27 | raster | so if i can manage that |
| 12:16.36 | raster | qtopia can manage a simple little coverflow |
| 12:16.49 | newb | raster: wow... ur a genius |
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| 12:17.15 | igor321 | raster: you're getting 7fps on the frerunner? |
| 12:18.07 | raster | newb: no. not at all. i simplywronga very simple 16bit color only 3d engine way back when i was a student to run on my p120. |
| 12:18.17 | raster | these were the days of "quake" and it had just come out |
| 12:18.21 | SpeedEvil | raster: how much is bus bandwidth eating into that 7fps? |
| 12:18.25 | raster | and doing 3d - in software... no GL or hw at the time |
| 12:18.30 | raster | and so i jyst had to join the game |
| 12:18.36 | raster | so i wrote an engine of my own |
| 12:18.41 | raster | SpeedEvil: a lot |
| 12:18.43 | SpeedEvil | raster: how much is bus bandwidth eating into the CPU for that 7fps? |
| 12:18.59 | igor321 | and are we talking of gta02? |
| 12:19.09 | raster | SpeedEvil: i did a test. if i didnt have the glamo (but instead had a dumb framebuffer that he 2442 already supports) |
| 12:19.14 | raster | i go from 7 to 12fps |
| 12:19.16 | newb | raster: fantastic :) can i use ur 3d engine? |
| 12:19.25 | raster | so that gives u an idea of the impact of the bus |
| 12:19.40 | raster | newb: unlikely. its not very "usable" |
| 12:19.46 | raster | and i have no license for it |
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| 12:20.00 | raster | nor is it meant as a generic pluggable3d engine or 3d api |
| 12:20.10 | raster | its mroe to the point that it CAN be done |
| 12:20.16 | newb | raster: hmmm... and u say opengl embedded won't work on GTA02 |
| 12:20.16 | raster | btw - texsture mapping isnt perspective correct |
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| 12:20.20 | raster | i took a shortcut :) |
| 12:20.25 | igor321 | so basically qvga @ 25 fps 3D is possible, my heart's at ease |
| 12:20.38 | abraxa_ | gmaxwell: Featuritis... and people in upper management without a clue. |
| 12:20.45 | raster | (quake managesto do perspective correct as it made use of the pentiums separate fpo unit and that u cna do an fp command while doing integer ones - no such luck on arm) |
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| 12:21.09 | raster | igor321: yes. 7fps at 480x640 |
| 12:21.12 | raster | its a simple demo |
| 12:21.22 | raster | one day i should actually come back and fix up the code |
| 12:21.24 | gmaxwell | abraxa_, could have added a second cpu there instead! ;) |
| 12:21.27 | raster | fix a bug or 2 |
| 12:21.35 | raster | ad things like alpha blending |
| 12:21.40 | igor321 | who cares about VGA 3D on such a small screen? :) |
| 12:21.41 | raster | i dont hav e azbuffer |
| 12:21.53 | raster | so i need torely on backfaceculling and painters alog |
| 12:22.00 | abraxa_ | gmaxwell: Believe it or not, that was on the table for GTA04. |
| 12:22.14 | raster | i really should do pre-clipping ofobscured triangles too to avoid overdraw |
| 12:22.21 | raster | lots of things i should do with the engine |
| 12:22.24 | raster | but io just never got time |
| 12:22.49 | raster | igor321: that depends. if u are trying to use the 3d pipeline to accelerate 2d |
| 12:22.56 | raster | ie use textures instead of pixmaps |
| 12:22.57 | raster | etc. |
| 12:22.59 | raster | then it matters |
| 12:23.01 | madwoota | I'll just be happy if it makes phone calls and sends texts |
| 12:23.05 | raster | as it doesnt have render-to-textue |
| 12:23.11 | raster | there are blockages in doing that sanely |
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| 12:23.18 | raster | other than the resolution limit |
| 12:23.40 | igor321 | maybe using all the "demo-scene" dirty tricks in sofware could help in gta02 |
| 12:23.55 | SpeedEvil | GTA02 is fundamentally liited. |
| 12:24.00 | igor321 | i remember some very impressive graphics from back in the day |
| 12:24.09 | SpeedEvil | The bus speed of the glamo is 16 bits ISAish. |
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| 12:24.15 | SpeedEvil | There is only so much you can do. |
| 12:24.35 | igor321 | in VGA, yes |
| 12:24.41 | igor321 | QVGA, i think you can do a lot |
| 12:24.46 | SpeedEvil | And worse than any ISA video card, it cannot do DMA. |
| 12:25.16 | Psi | abraxa_: "was" ? |
| 12:26.03 | newb | raster: why does the website say 3d acceleration ? :( |
| 12:26.12 | newb | raster: what m i supposed to use for that? |
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| 12:27.22 | abraxa_ | newb: Marketing. Never rely on it. |
| 12:27.45 | Psi | newb: what does it say exactly? |
| 12:28.00 | igor321 | who says 3D won't be available one day? |
| 12:28.10 | raster | igor321: thats kind of what the 3d engine i wrote is doing - partly. but it still hits a wal - it cant upload pixels to video ram that fast |
| 12:28.18 | newb | Psi: Speed ARM9 400Mhz Processor 2D/3D Acceleration |
| 12:28.27 | raster | thus thats why u go from 7 to 12fps if u "remove" the glamo's slow bus. |
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| 12:28.40 | Psi | newb: well technically thats true |
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| 12:29.06 | igor321 | raster: yes, at VGA, but for games and such QVGA is more than enough on such a small screen |
| 12:29.16 | raster | newb: nothing. there are no drivers. the website is wrong |
| 12:29.34 | raster | there are no drivers for the 3d susbsyetm on the glamo |
| 12:29.37 | abraxa_ | Psi: I just read the mails again to give you a reference and it seems the second CPU wasn't meant as a "general purpose" CPU but for device/power management only. If you want to read the mails, they're filed under "GTA04 Block" on the hardware list |
| 12:29.40 | raster | u needan nda to get the chipset specs |
| 12:29.42 | igor321 | if only there was a way to switch seamlessly beetwen QVGA and VGA (for documents and such) |
| 12:29.45 | newb | raster: ok so they expect US to develop those drivers? :) KEWL that sounds like fun |
| 12:29.49 | raster | and the only peolpe with anndaright now are openmoko |
| 12:29.55 | raster | and we are not writign drivers for the 3d. |
| 12:29.56 | Psi | abraxa_: thanks |
| 12:30.20 | raster | igor321: sure, but such a waste of a vga screen. |
| 12:30.32 | newb | raster: i didn't understand ur last statement |
| 12:30.47 | raster | newb: sorry |
| 12:31.00 | raster | newb: "the only people with an NDA right now are openmoko" |
| 12:31.22 | Psi | newb: writing drivers for something without understanding how it works is pretty impossible |
| 12:31.39 | igor321 | raster: well if it can switch modes, its okay really, i guess the difference in price is no more than $50 between the qvga and vga |
| 12:32.15 | SpeedEvil | igor321: add to that the $5? the glamo costs. |
| 12:32.18 | HauDyrArb | hackers now and days they need manuals tsk tsk |
| 12:32.26 | newb | Psi: hmmmm.. so in the near future we may have drivers for this? |
| 12:32.56 | raster | newb: no one is writing opengl drivers |
| 12:33.09 | raster | newb: the peopole who have the docs to do so (openmoko) are not going to do so |
| 12:33.18 | raster | becsause the glamo is the end of a line |
| 12:33.22 | raster | there is no successor to it |
| 12:33.31 | SpeedEvil | Well... |
| 12:33.36 | raster | it is even an EOL'd chipand we dont have guaranted supplies in the future |
| 12:33.36 | Psi | raster: i wouldnt be blaming om for it |
| 12:33.39 | raster | so even if we wanted it |
| 12:33.42 | newb | raster: :( oh! then they should have included a newer chip from ATI or NVIDIA |
| 12:33.46 | SpeedEvil | The new SoC has a inbuilt GPU. |
| 12:33.50 | raster | we dont have assurance we can BUY it for production |
| 12:33.53 | NooOne | is writing drivers |
| 12:33.53 | SpeedEvil | Which is a sort-of update. |
| 12:34.00 | Wander_w | raster: WTF? |
| 12:34.03 | Psi | heh @ ati/nvidia |
| 12:34.10 | raster | so for us it makes no enseto go writing drivers for something that has no future lifespan before freerunner :( |
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| 12:34.13 | SpeedEvil | Wander_w: you can't buy all announced chips in small volume. |
| 12:34.27 | SpeedEvil | Wander_w: where small may be under 100000. |
| 12:34.28 | raster | newb: its embdded graphics. its very different from the desktop |
| 12:34.29 | newb | SpeedEvil: yes that's why it's called a SOC :) |
| 12:34.41 | newb | raster: i am aware :) |
| 12:34.54 | raster | newb: first allof ati's "embdded" chips are even weaker than the glamo |
| 12:34.59 | raster | nvidias stuff is all closed |
| 12:35.06 | MrShleee | I just hope the openmoko is successful enough to interest the group to produce the next-gen release. |
| 12:35.06 | newb | raster: so that's why i was speaking about openGl embedded |
| 12:35.10 | raster | and pretty much everything else is PART of an SOC |
| 12:35.13 | raster | eg OMAP |
| 12:35.14 | raster | etc. |
| 12:35.16 | Psi | what are they replacing the glamo with in gta03? or dont we know yet? |
| 12:35.16 | Dave | goedmorgen :] |
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| 12:35.28 | SpeedEvil | Psi: ripping it out |
| 12:35.29 | Wander_w | raster: ..but without the drivers.. isn't the glamo a very small paperweight? |
| 12:35.32 | raster | Psi: no glamo. back to dumb framebuffer. |
| 12:35.34 | SpeedEvil | Psi: dumb framebuffer |
| 12:35.39 | Psi | ok |
| 12:35.44 | SpeedEvil | Wander_w: 2D accel, mpeg-4 decode |
| 12:35.46 | gmaxwell | Speaking of OMAP .. heck I'd rather have a FPU and a DSP than a GPU in my GTAn+1 |
| 12:35.50 | SpeedEvil | Wander_w: those will be in |
| 12:36.01 | Dave | haha |
| 12:36.09 | raster | Wander_w: there are drivers. forbasic framebuffer, for 2D fills and blits (copies) and for xvideo (yuv->rgb+ scaling) |
| 12:36.25 | igor321 | so... those bastards are EOLing the glamo and still won't give out docs? |
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| 12:36.28 | Wander_w | hmm ok |
| 12:36.36 | CVirus | Guys .. I'll buy the FreeRunner from the UK reseller and ship to somewhere inside the UK and my friend there will take it back with her to Egypt ... will she get the VAT in the airport ? |
| 12:36.39 | SpeedEvil | igor321: they can't. |
| 12:36.53 | SpeedEvil | igor321: OM are not in a legal position to copy and release the docs. |
| 12:37.02 | Dave | VAT? |
| 12:37.03 | SpeedEvil | igor321: they'd have to write new docs in order to release them. |
| 12:37.07 | Wander_w | SpeedEvil: but what about the people producing the glamo? |
| 12:37.07 | igor321 | SpeedEvil: i'm not talking bout OM |
| 12:37.10 | CVirus | Value Added Tax |
| 12:37.11 | Psi | i think he means the ppl who made the glamo |
| 12:37.15 | Dave | oh |
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| 12:37.20 | igor321 | SpeedEvil: i'm talking about s-media |
| 12:37.22 | SpeedEvil | Wander_w: it's rare for EOLd chips to have the specs released. |
| 12:37.30 | Dave | Ask Egypt :] |
| 12:37.33 | CVirus | doh |
| 12:37.36 | CVirus | fuck Egypt |
| 12:37.37 | SpeedEvil | I can't off-hand thin of a topic. |
| 12:37.39 | SpeedEvil | I can't off-hand thin of a topic. |
| 12:37.44 | SpeedEvil | I can't off-hand thin of a chip where it's happened. |
| 12:37.51 | Wander_w | +k |
| 12:37.57 | SpeedEvil | NDA'd EOLd chips |
| 12:38.22 | igor321 | it's really crazy it is |
| 12:38.39 | igor321 | that they are EOLing it and still don't want to give out docs |
| 12:38.47 | igor321 | for an 8 years old chip |
| 12:38.57 | raster | its not 8 |
| 12:38.59 | raster | its about 4-5 |
| 12:39.00 | SpeedEvil | igor321: buisness as usual. |
| 12:39.03 | borg_ | raster: is it possible for someone outside of openmoko to subscribe the glamo nda? (i think of http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view) |
| 12:39.06 | Psi | its how 'things have always been done' |
| 12:39.14 | Psi | hard to change peoples views on it |
| 12:39.19 | igor321 | SpeedEvil: well it sucks :) |
| 12:39.24 | Wander_w | it makes me sad that there is a chip in the moko, using up power, PCB realestate and bandwidth to the SD card that goes unused for about 90% |
| 12:39.33 | SpeedEvil | borg_: yes - but they will probably only be interested in signing a NDA with you if you buy many thousands. |
| 12:39.58 | igor321 | again - they EOLing it! crazy |
| 12:40.09 | igor321 | what thousands are they gonna buy? |
| 12:40.15 | Psi | heh |
| 12:40.16 | Dave | Units |
| 12:40.39 | borg_ | openmoko probably buys many thousand, the question is, if openmoko inc can help someone from outside to get the possibilitie to subscribe an nda |
| 12:40.43 | SpeedEvil | igor321: the fundamental point of view of this sort of company is that they utterly do not want small - under 1000 say - orders. |
| 12:41.08 | SpeedEvil | igor321: simply as they are complex, and the support to users would outweigh the benefits. |
| 12:41.18 | borg_ | from the faq of the linuxdriverproject: |
| 12:41.19 | borg_ | Q: What about drivers for video cards? |
| 12:41.19 | borg_ | A: Yes, we will be glad to work on the kernel side of video drivers for Linux. |
| 12:41.52 | igor321 | SpeedEvil: i understand that, but since they're about to stop production of the chip, i see no reason in hoarding the specs of a soon-to-be EOL'd chip :( |
| 12:42.21 | SpeedEvil | igor321: they may not also have the rights to distribute the docs. |
| 12:42.28 | SpeedEvil | igor321: - Smedia |
| 12:42.47 | igor321 | SpeedEvil: maybe so... but i doubt it |
| 12:43.02 | MrShleee | glamo is the gpu with limited drivers? |
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| 12:43.11 | quickdev | Hello |
| 12:43.12 | Dave | Blamo! |
| 12:43.13 | SpeedEvil | igor321: they may not have developed all the IP in that chip, and have agreed to only release docs under NDA |
| 12:43.16 | SpeedEvil | MrShleee: yes |
| 12:43.31 | Kango_V | q: why no camera on the FR? Just curious? |
| 12:43.45 | raster | borg_: trolltech tried |
| 12:43.51 | SpeedEvil | Kango_V: because the case was fixed with no camera hole. |
| 12:43.58 | Kango_V | LOL |
| 12:44.05 | Psi | heh |
| 12:44.18 | Dave | MORE HOLES PLEASE! |
| 12:44.24 | SpeedEvil | Kango_V: also, there are reasons for not having a camera - soe people cannot use phones with cameras. Adn a camera is around $10. |
| 12:44.26 | newb | SpeedEvil: we could connect an USB camera to it though? |
| 12:44.30 | CVirus | is the 900MHz version available in the US or Canada ? |
| 12:44.34 | SpeedEvil | newb: sure. Or bluetooth. |
| 12:44.42 | SpeedEvil | newb: or wifi, or ... |
| 12:44.49 | Wander_w | out with the Glamo, in with the camera! |
| 12:45.00 | Kango_V | Glamo? |
| 12:45.01 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 12:45.01 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 12:45.34 | bumbl | Kango_V: the "graphic card" |
| 12:45.42 | HauDyrArb | apt, stop doing what? ~_~ |
| 12:45.44 | apt | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops doing what? ~_~ |
| 12:45.44 | igor321 | i find it funny that the gta02 is already sold out... does anyone know FIC's capacity? |
| 12:46.04 | igor321 | like how much motherboards or whatever they manufacture per year? |
| 12:46.22 | Dave | apt nickometer HauDyrArb |
| 12:46.26 | Dave | aww |
| 12:46.27 | SpeedEvil | igor321: IIRC hundreds of thousands of phones |
| 12:46.30 | Dave | yay |
| 12:46.33 | Dave | :D |
| 12:46.38 | HauDyrArb | lol |
| 12:46.42 | Wander_w | apt nickometer Wander_w |
| 12:46.45 | bumbl | igor321: i find it funny that the qualitiy of the devices differs (gps) that much |
| 12:46.49 | Dave | pets apt |
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| 12:47.21 | igor321 | bumbl: yeah, sad, good thing there is a DIY fix on the wiki now ;) |
| 12:47.21 | quickdev | I just got my neo and I like to install python - is there a more recent rootfs or what the way to do it? |
| 12:47.22 | SpeedEvil | igor321: the quality is probably an assembly issue. |
| 12:47.23 | Wander_w | SpeedEvil: soo... did they underestimate the popularity of the moko? |
| 12:47.26 | HauDyrArb | apt, nickometer Dave |
| 12:47.35 | Dave | Fuck yeah. |
| 12:47.40 | Dave | apt botsnack |
| 12:47.40 | apt | Dave: aw, gee |
| 12:47.44 | Dave | :) |
| 12:47.50 | igor321 | yes they probably did underestimate it, being sold out and all :) |
| 12:48.02 | SpeedEvil | Wander_w: there is a couple of weeks at least delay it looks like between the PCB maker and the shop. |
| 12:48.13 | Dave | HauDyrArb: should be lamer, it's awkward and has multiple caps :p |
| 12:48.13 | bumbl | igor321: have you tried it or has it been reported to be successful; i would rather replace it than destroy it myself |
| 12:48.26 | *** join/#openmoko raster (n=raster@enlightenment1.osuosl.org) |
| 12:48.39 | SpeedEvil | Wander_w: it's more if you count fro the time the red button is pushed to the time it hits theshop. |
| 12:49.08 | igor321 | bumbl: still havent got the gta02, so i woulndn't know |
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| 12:49.41 | HauDyrArb | Dave, aah my n1ck 1s s0 1337 |
| 12:49.45 | Wander_w | SpeedEvil: yeah, I understand all that... but didn't smart people made a guess and said "We need to have X number of phones before we launch and Y number of phones per week after that? |
| 12:50.10 | rivalarrival | From their standpoint, better not enough than too many |
| 12:50.12 | SpeedEvil | Wander_w: because being stuck with a quarter of a million dollars of stock unsold is a scary thing. |
| 12:50.23 | Wander_w | or did they go: "Hey, we got 10 phones! lets launch! |
| 12:50.38 | rivalarrival | probably more like 2000, but yeah. :-) |
| 12:50.40 | SpeedEvil | Wander_w: my personal guess is that the first batch was 1500. |
| 12:50.42 | jakob__ | igor321: there is information about the gps problem and a fix in the wiki? Can you point me into the right direction? I can't seem to find it |
| 12:50.50 | SpeedEvil | Wander_w: split between US and EU |
| 12:51.06 | raster | bh |
| 12:51.09 | raster | ntwrk |
| 12:51.19 | Dave | -_- |
| 12:51.32 | Dave | eww |
| 12:51.39 | SpeedEvil | igor321: you're not mentioning my 'reseat the antenna connection' suggestion? |
| 12:51.54 | SpeedEvil | igor321: I have no idea that that will help - but it's reasonable to try. |
| 12:51.57 | igor321 | jakob__: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP , but i wouldn't suggest doing it right now |
| 12:52.07 | Dave | \o/ |
| 12:52.14 | igor321 | SpeedEvil: is this your link? |
| 12:52.26 | igor321 | wiki whatever? |
| 12:52.54 | jakob__ | igor321: I did not intend to do now. But it's might be of value to watch this article for further ideas :) |
| 12:52.58 | jakob__ | igor321: thx. |
| 12:53.07 | Wander_w | SpeedEvil: ok cool, so the moko is a raving succes then :) |
| 12:53.07 | Wander_w | shortages all-round.. allmost like an Apple Iphone launch |
| 12:53.09 | igor321 | jakob__: np :) |
| 12:53.22 | Dave | wiki wiki |
| 12:54.24 | SpeedEvil | igor321: no |
| 12:54.52 | HauDyrArb | the iphone was just launched in denmark, people went crazy |
| 12:55.26 | Dave | haha, silly danes |
| 12:55.38 | igor321 | i guess gta02 will sell 10000 in its lifetime, before 03 comes, barring any OEM purchases and all |
| 12:56.18 | raster | igor321: where do you base that stat off? |
| 12:56.20 | raster | :) |
| 12:56.47 | HauDyrArb | but not me i already have an iphone killer (when all the software is written) |
| 12:56.56 | Dave | :D |
| 12:57.02 | Dave | high-fives haudrarjsf |
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| 12:57.29 | igor321 | raster: well i think there will bi some 5000 early adopters, and 5000 linux geeks who will buy it once the software is ready... very unscientific i know :9 |
| 12:57.46 | igor321 | i do belive it's too ugly for the consumer market |
| 12:57.52 | igor321 | but gta03 will fix that :) |
| 12:58.05 | HauDyrArb | same with my mp3 player Sansa E280 with RockBox, |
| 12:58.13 | Dave | I got a comment from a friend at a meeting the other day |
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| 12:58.28 | Dave | they said to me, wow, if they ever had to put linux on a phone, this is what it would look like |
| 12:58.42 | raster | igor321: aaah.. so... wild speculation :) |
| 12:58.43 | Dave | bulky, black, unattractive, and unintuitive design :p |
| 12:58.51 | Dave | I laughed. |
| 12:58.53 | CVirus | is the 900MHz version available in the US or Canada ? |
| 12:58.56 | raster | just was wondering where 10k comesfrom |
| 12:59.01 | raster | ie u've done surveys |
| 12:59.11 | raster | seen an indicator of # of peolpe saying they will buy |
| 12:59.19 | Tanuva | I love the neo's design... |
| 12:59.20 | igor321 | raster: there are some surveys i believe :) |
| 12:59.25 | raster | ie - how big is this "i'm a linux nerd and want my open linux phone" market |
| 12:59.34 | raster | i know of no studies that indicate its size |
| 12:59.37 | CVirus | 386 |
| 12:59.50 | HauDyrArb | DX |
| 13:00.03 | Dave | haha |
| 13:00.07 | igor321 | i was really surprised that there we're 14 people lined up for the group purchase in my (very small) country |
| 13:00.13 | Dave | Tanuva :D |
| 13:00.19 | Psi | newb: anything is possible. SMedia could be bought out tomorrow and the new company might release the docs. Or the docs may never be released. Or they might leak onto the net etc.. But i'd assume it's never going to happen if i was you, because if it ever does happen its most likely to be years from now. |
| 13:00.29 | Dave | I think the closest thing it resembles is a shower radio |
| 13:00.35 | Dave | not necessarily a hockey puck |
| 13:00.41 | Dave | We should have an open survey about that! :D |
| 13:00.43 | CVirus | I was really astonished to find like 8-10 others interested in buying the Neo1973 and the FreeRunner in "Egypt" |
| 13:00.57 | Tanuva | Dave: maybe its because I'm too geeky to think its ugly.. :D |
| 13:01.02 | raster | soap on a rope |
| 13:01.07 | Dave | exactly! |
| 13:01.14 | Dave | or something on a rope... :p |
| 13:01.21 | igor321 | well.... not that the FSF is pushing it... who knows? :) |
| 13:01.25 | rivalarrival | Anyone else plan on wearing it around their neck? |
| 13:01.26 | Dave | oh man, I'm going to flash images this morning |
| 13:01.32 | Dave | rivalarrival: I already have |
| 13:01.49 | Dave | It didn't work as well as I would have liked in that department. |
| 13:01.50 | rivalarrival | Is that loop sturdy enough? |
| 13:01.50 | Dave | :| |
| 13:01.59 | Dave | yeah it's fine |
| 13:02.03 | SpeedEvil | rivalarrival: plenty |
| 13:02.06 | Dave | but I didn't have a lanyard |
| 13:02.10 | Dave | :[ |
| 13:02.12 | Rakshasa | It's good to have the soap somewhere handy, provided you already know where your towel is. |
| 13:02.15 | SpeedEvil | rivalarrival: it's an integral part of the case. |
| 13:02.17 | Dave | disappointed. |
| 13:02.27 | rivalarrival | Yeah, a little paracord, and I'll have a lanyard |
| 13:03.08 | rivalarrival | Or maybe I'll use some UTP strands from a length of cat-5 |
| 13:03.35 | MrShleee | meh - the fact the openmoko got this far is great, the community will grow and cores developers will grow. Once the next Openmoko is ready to rock, we should be able to hit up the soccer mums. |
| 13:04.19 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.41 | rivalarrival | Maybe not the soccer moms, but probably the Ubuntu community. |
| 13:04.57 | HauDyrArb | rivalarrival, utp gives the final touch |
| 13:04.58 | Psi | thats a pretty big community :) |
| 13:05.13 | igor321 | hahaha soccer mums :) |
| 13:05.15 | rivalarrival | Soccer moms don't tend to buy high-end phones |
| 13:05.32 | Dave | gah |
| 13:05.34 | igor321 | we'll make an image specially for them :) |
| 13:05.34 | rivalarrival | Psi: And getting bigger by the hour. |
| 13:05.46 | mjr | _unless_ somebody makes the killer soccer mom app for om |
| 13:05.56 | Psi | heh |
| 13:05.59 | rivalarrival | Like what? A portable minivan? |
| 13:06.06 | Dave | haha |
| 13:06.11 | mjr | rivalarrival, hold on, I'm trying to think ;) |
| 13:06.15 | Dave | gps tracker for your kids? |
| 13:06.21 | rivalarrival | Hold on, kids, let me whip out my phone so we can drive home! |
| 13:06.23 | Dave | sounds like a typical one |
| 13:06.27 | igor321 | "kids minder 0.01" reminds you when to pick up your kids and such |
| 13:06.37 | Dave | let me bust out my evil black tracking device! |
| 13:06.54 | Wander_w | fun stuff for the kids to do with the moko in the back of the tractor |
| 13:07.02 | Tanuva | Dave: +1 >:] |
| 13:07.10 | HauDyrArb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer_mom |
| 13:07.12 | mjr | GossipTracker - lets you input gossip of a user. The gossip will automatically spread to everyone but the subject of the gossip |
| 13:07.15 | Dave | yep |
| 13:07.19 | HauDyrArb | In popular culture |
| 13:07.20 | Tanuva | is just unpacking his shiny new C2D... |
| 13:07.22 | rivalarrival | An OM-light would be nice... an entry-level phone with a modest feature set, but easily programmable. |
| 13:07.31 | MrShleee | Dave: Bingo - If someone codes a social network for Iphone/openmoko.. tracking locations of friends/kids |
| 13:07.36 | Dave | :o |
| 13:08.19 | MrShleee | I think I have alot of faith in software innovations on the hardware these phones offer. |
| 13:08.29 | rivalarrival | I guess that's OM-Lite... |
| 13:08.36 | SpeedEvil | If OM doesn't get in the way software-wise. |
| 13:08.53 | raster | going to take a long while to hit soccermums |
| 13:09.04 | SpeedEvil | I'd be astonished at 2010. |
| 13:09.05 | rivalarrival | Worst thing an FOSS community can do is attempt to restrict the software. |
| 13:09.11 | raster | u'll need to have the $0 phone that he telco subsidised with your plan |
| 13:09.15 | mjr | raster, not with my GossipTracker 3000 |
| 13:09.26 | raster | as frankly they soccer mums are looking for the cheapest thing that makes calls |
| 13:09.26 | raster | :) |
| 13:09.40 | raster | and only looking for a fashion update |
| 13:09.43 | raster | or if their breaks |
| 13:10.05 | SpeedEvil | Put killer apps on it, and that might change. |
| 13:10.11 | igor321 | a pink gta03 with mjr's gossiptracker 3000 would sell like crazy :) |
| 13:10.26 | Psi | need aheh |
| 13:10.28 | rivalarrival | I imagine Tmobile and ATT are going to shit bricks when they find a few thousand completely opened phones on their networks. |
| 13:10.37 | Psi | err, -need a |
| 13:10.58 | SpeedEvil | und: those numbers were for $200/axis accels. |
| 13:10.59 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 13:11.00 | Psi | rivalarrival: hehe |
| 13:11.14 | rivalarrival | Soccermom's will need a camera, a phone, and that's about it. |
| 13:11.26 | zmoll | Since it is cheaper to buy a simcard with infinite SMS, an app that periodically sent any positional data to mum's moko (public key stuff, of course) would be pretty good. Or would the large numbers of similar plaintext compromise the keys? |
| 13:12.00 | zmoll | Doh! sent over SMS, I should have added |
| 13:12.18 | SpeedEvil | zmedico: not with ont-time-pad. |
| 13:12.23 | rivalarrival | Do it on demand - mom's moko pings the kids, the kids mokos pong silently |
| 13:12.52 | mjr | mmyeaha, on sms they can wake up for it... |
| 13:13.06 | rivalarrival | "It's 10 o'clock - do you know where your kids are?" |
| 13:13.23 | mjr | and then perhaps otherwise wake every hour or so and see if you can get a fix |
| 13:13.36 | mjr | go back to sleep after a timeout |
| 13:13.41 | Rakshasa | Child tracking is one thing I've never understood. People can't trust their own kids a bit? |
| 13:13.44 | zmoll | I like the idea of ping-over-sms |
| 13:14.00 | rivalarrival | Rakshasa: I'd use it more for my car than my kids. :-) |
| 13:14.05 | SpeedEvil | Rakshasa: it's easier in some comunities than others. |
| 13:14.13 | rivalarrival | But the idea is the same. |
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| 13:15.58 | Rakshasa | rivalarrival: I use a steering wheel locking device... ? |
| 13:16.21 | rivalarrival | Rakshasa: I use an acetylene torch. |
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| 13:16.42 | *** topic/#openmoko by HdR -> Buy Freerunner at http://openmoko.com/ , or linked distributors. | Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | Software means it's _NOT_ a stable phone, even for the expert user. This will change as more is developed. | #openmoko-cdevel for community dev efforts | Shipping status updates: http://xkcd.com/281/ |
| 13:17.01 | *** topic/#openmoko by HdR -> Buy Freerunner at http://openmoko.com/ , or linked distributors. | Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | Software means it's _NOT_ a stable phone, even for the expert user. This will change as more is developed. | #openmoko-cdevel for community dev efforts | Shipping status updates: http://xkcd.com/281/ | GPS prblem: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP |
| 13:17.24 | rivalarrival | The GPS problem is a faulty internal connector? |
| 13:18.10 | rivalarrival | Oh, and a loose solder joint. |
| 13:18.23 | abraxa_ | rivalarrival: Personally I'd doubt it but it's from Coolcat (who's an OM employee), so there has to be something to it |
| 13:18.59 | rivalarrival | Well, it would make sense based on the symptoms they were describing... |
| 13:20.43 | jakob__ | does anybody know how this problem might be fixed? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021073.html Unfortunately the guy asking the question just says he solved the problem but not how it was done :( |
| 13:23.04 | trickie | jakob__: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003492.html |
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| 13:25.46 | jakob__ | trickie: thx. thats sounds promising :) |
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| 13:26.14 | trickie | jakob__: np |
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| 13:31.19 | HauDyrArb | http://politiken.dk/archive/00269/China_Olympics_Secu_269518c.jpg |
| 13:31.58 | leinir | HauDyrArb: ...funky ;) |
| 13:32.27 | HauDyrArb | someone posted the link on another channel |
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| 13:33.06 | Dave | leinir! |
| 13:33.23 | leinir | curtsies to Dave "Sir" :) |
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| 13:34.18 | Dave | :) |
| 13:34.28 | Dave | hah, a curtsy, eh? |
| 13:34.46 | quickdev | my neod is consuming about 15% cpu although I'm doing nothing, that's ok? ;) |
| 13:34.52 | Dave | yep! |
| 13:34.54 | SpeedEvil | quickdev: no |
| 13:34.57 | Dave | It's shitty like that :D |
| 13:35.02 | SpeedEvil | quickdev: find out why it does that, and fix it. |
| 13:35.07 | Dave | hahaha |
| 13:35.31 | HauDyrArb | i saw the same around 8% all the time |
| 13:35.38 | Dave | Speedevil, is it normal if my neod or hald is using 282M ? and using 90% CPU? |
| 13:35.54 | Dave | I accept this as "normal" as of presently. |
| 13:36.00 | SpeedEvil | Well - there is normal, and there is right. |
| 13:36.03 | quickdev | SpeedEvil, I'll try as soon I've got my development environment |
| 13:36.05 | Dave | of course |
| 13:36.12 | Dave | just like mozilla is not "right" :p |
| 13:37.20 | HauDyrArb | but ideally shouldent it have 100% idle most of the time and then once a minute use 10% cpu ? |
| 13:37.30 | Dave | meh |
| 13:37.38 | rivalarrival | It should be idle 100% of the time, and once an hour, use 10% |
| 13:37.40 | TAsn | btw, since the neo is using flash it doesn't use swap nor does it keep logs, right? |
| 13:38.27 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: you can swapon to the SD |
| 13:38.40 | rivalarrival | eh, over it's projected 2-year lifespan, the chances of killing the flash memory are slim and none. |
| 13:38.51 | TAsn | but it will finish that off ;) |
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| 13:39.33 | quickdev | http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/README?view=auto hm |
| 13:39.51 | Wander_w | swap to the SD.. SD's are cheap and getting cheaper and easy to replace |
| 13:40.01 | abraxa_ | quickdev: There's a bug in neod. |
| 13:40.19 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: 'a'? |
| 13:40.24 | quickdev | abraxa_, yeah, but fixing it would be useless if it's replaced soon |
| 13:40.38 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Good catch :) |
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| 13:41.59 | twolife | is away: Je suis occupé |
| 13:42.00 | abraxa_ | quickdev: "soon".. |
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| 13:45.21 | Dave | Any qtopia whores in here? |
| 13:46.03 | avtobiff | was there ever any GSM900 versions of the Neo FreeRunner available? I saw openmoko-announce and the new webshop etc but GSM900 is listed as sold out... |
| 13:46.28 | TAsn | avtobiff, read on the bottom right corner |
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| 13:46.42 | TAsn | will be available at 25th of july. |
| 13:46.56 | Dave | Easly on, yes. |
| 13:47.29 | avtobiff | TAsn, oh, thanks :) |
| 13:47.40 | TAsn | avtobiff, no problem |
| 13:47.53 | TAsn | though i should have lied and told you it will be out at the 26th |
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| 13:48.00 | avtobiff | TAsn, hehe |
| 13:48.05 | TAsn | since i don't want you to grab one before me :) |
| 13:48.10 | Wander_w | lol |
| 13:48.26 | avtobiff | TAsn, i surf in a window that is 640px wide so i didn't see that. i didn't scroll around either. |
| 13:48.36 | avtobiff | i came here instead :D |
| 13:48.51 | TAsn | avtobiff, :) |
| 13:48.59 | Dave | Anyone running Qtopia here? |
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| 13:49.25 | leinir | Dave: Yes, i am :) |
| 13:49.59 | leinir | It's very snappy, the powermanagement makes the display funny, but generally it's good :) |
| 13:51.10 | HauDyrArb | avtobiff, i have a 900 version |
| 13:51.23 | LetoTo | waah, my phone has been lying at SAN PABLO for a day now. Damn UPC :) |
| 13:51.56 | HauDyrArb | avtobiff, bourgt from germany handheld-linux.com |
| 13:52.19 | avtobiff | HauDyrArb, what was the price? |
| 13:52.44 | HauDyrArb | 360 EUR |
| 13:52.59 | fionaw | anyone any suggestions how to get a freerunner in the UK? |
| 13:53.26 | HauDyrArb | fionaw, i think there is an UK reseller check on openmoko.com |
| 13:53.34 | fionaw | they always just say out of stock |
| 13:53.37 | fionaw | and it has done since the release |
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| 13:53.38 | avtobiff | HauDyrArb, isn't that quite pricy? |
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| 13:54.03 | avtobiff | HauDyrArb, i can wait two weeks to save 100 EUR |
| 13:54.28 | Dave | Leinir, ah good, so what kernel image do I reqire? |
| 13:54.29 | Dave | require |
| 13:54.46 | leinir | The tgz on qtopia.net includes a kernel image :) |
| 13:54.49 | fionaw | and yeh they want like £272 |
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| 13:55.04 | Dave | eh? |
| 13:55.18 | HauDyrArb | avtobiff, maby its pricy but its OpenMoko, and what about taxes and customs if you buy it from outside EU |
| 13:55.18 | Dave | OH, haha, right |
| 13:55.23 | Dave | I assumed it was just a rootfs :P |
| 13:55.40 | Xaos | LetoTo: actually, if you look at the UPS tracking, it LEFT SAN PABLO then... |
| 13:55.45 | leinir | Dave: Me too *giggles* but nope, it's got both :) |
| 13:56.21 | Dave | I think I'm going crazy :D |
| 13:56.35 | HauDyrArb | avtobiff, you could easily have to pay 100 EUR in taxes and customs |
| 13:56.36 | `pwgen` | mickey|lunch: Are you full? |
| 13:56.42 | avtobiff | HauDyrArb, hmm. indeed |
| 13:56.57 | Dave | er du full? |
| 13:57.11 | kdubois | Xaos: mine's probably on a truck somewhere in kansas by now, haha |
| 13:57.12 | HauDyrArb | no i am sober |
| 13:57.56 | Dave | ;D |
| 13:57.58 | kdubois | gives HauDyrArb a gold star |
| 13:58.17 | avtobiff | jag är också nykter... |
| 13:58.21 | HauDyrArb | takes a bow |
| 13:58.55 | Dave | snakker du til meg!? |
| 13:59.21 | avtobiff | HauDyrArb, hmm. just the MOMS added would be make it about 300 EUR instead, almost the price from linux-handhelds.com |
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| 14:00.02 | HauDyrArb | avtobiff, and then you get 2 years of warranty because its from EU |
| 14:00.07 | avtobiff | HauDyrArb, have you recieved it already? |
| 14:00.08 | avtobiff | HauDyrArb, aah |
| 14:00.10 | HauDyrArb | yes |
| 14:00.16 | avtobiff | HauDyrArb, i'll probably void the warranty anyways |
| 14:00.20 | quickdev | I'd like to get the package gps-utils to check wether my gps is working? How do I obtain it? |
| 14:00.42 | avtobiff | HauDyrArb, thanks for the input :) |
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| 14:01.06 | HauDyrArb | avtobiff, no prob. |
| 14:01.10 | Dave | hehe |
| 14:01.18 | Dave | haha |
| 14:03.31 | HauDyrArb | good night |
| 14:04.05 | Dave | hugs leinir |
| 14:04.18 | leinir | hugs Dave right back :) |
| 14:04.23 | Dave | :D |
| 14:04.39 | Dave | cool, so now I have a freerunner of each image in front of me :P |
| 14:05.11 | Dave | hopefully the qtopia image isn't as buggy as the others :D |
| 14:05.16 | Dave | by and large |
| 14:05.56 | leinir | It's not, it's quite solid and snappy :) |
| 14:06.05 | leinir | Bar the dodginess with waking up from deep sleep :) |
| 14:07.03 | fionaw | what image is currently closest to actually being useful as a phone? |
| 14:07.17 | Dave | leinir, yes, I've heard ALL about that... here -_- |
| 14:07.28 | Dave | fionaw, haha, let's take a poll! |
| 14:07.30 | Dave | :] |
| 14:08.07 | `pwgen` | does someone know how i can configure the modem wakup events ( wakeup on cell change, signal strengh change ) |
| 14:08.12 | fionaw | I'm just wondering because I need a new smartphone, and I'm really interested in this. I don't mind stuff being buggy, and I like to hack on things, but primarily I am an engineer not a software developer |
| 14:09.39 | bumbl | fionaw: in my opinion the gtk image |
| 14:09.52 | Dave | fionaw, then you may enjoy the freerunner :p |
| 14:09.55 | Dave | :] |
| 14:10.02 | fionaw | what I'm really after is, is there a working calendar image that I can sync with Kontact?? |
| 14:10.07 | fionaw | I guess that's asking a lot |
| 14:10.09 | Dave | Oh |
| 14:10.13 | Dave | Possibly ;) |
| 14:10.17 | fionaw | heh |
| 14:10.34 | Dave | grabs leinir and jumps up and down... |
| 14:10.39 | Dave | It's almost done, it's almost done! :D |
| 14:10.49 | leinir | giggles and bounces with Dave "Weeh!" :) |
| 14:10.56 | Dave | :D:D:D |
| 14:11.16 | fionaw | I'm a long time Palm OS user, and I'm looking for something to replace my T3 |
| 14:11.28 | fionaw | I'm not actually that bothered about phone calls, but wifi and stuff is needed |
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| 14:12.38 | fionaw | it just worries me a bit that from the wiki etc, there seems to be nothing anywhere actually saying what is and is not useable/working on it yet |
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| 14:12.55 | fionaw | half of it is saying "making a local phone call will eat your children" |
| 14:12.59 | Dave | Right |
| 14:13.08 | fionaw | and half of it is saying "this is the freerunner automatically downloading and displaying openstreetmap data" |
| 14:13.12 | Dave | We may eventually want to make a grand page like that :) |
| 14:13.24 | Dave | Right now, I'd say it's really too early and, well, unfortunately -open- :D |
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| 14:13.36 | Dave | But that just gave me a great wiki page idea :) |
| 14:13.53 | cb22 | curse you people with freerunners. curse you :( |
| 14:13.59 | Dave | hah |
| 14:14.02 | fionaw | like, I really really want a linux phone, I bought a motorola Razr2 as my normal phone just because it had linux |
| 14:14.08 | fionaw | sort of |
| 14:14.14 | fionaw | but this looks far more interesting |
| 14:14.41 | Dave | hehe |
| 14:14.45 | fionaw | and whilst I love tinkering, and it is my job to tinker, it isn't my job/in my nature to spend all my time trying to get my phone to work in order to do other things on it |
| 14:14.45 | Dave | Indeed, it is! |
| 14:15.05 | Dave | wow |
| 14:15.13 | Dave | You'd REALLY enjoy this phone then fionaw :) |
| 14:15.15 | Dave | :D |
| 14:15.17 | fionaw | hmmm |
| 14:15.20 | fionaw | but like I said |
| 14:15.25 | fionaw | loads of things say it is unusable at the moment |
| 14:15.28 | Dave | It's all about tinkering and getting things to work :P |
| 14:15.30 | fionaw | I don't want a phone that is unusable |
| 14:15.36 | Dave | oh, heh |
| 14:15.39 | Dave | I see |
| 14:15.48 | fionaw | I want a phone that is usable, basically, but I can, say, write my own C++ apps for |
| 14:15.57 | fionaw | which, incidentally, I can do with a palm |
| 14:16.05 | fionaw | but it is awful... |
| 14:16.11 | Dave | you can cross-compile all your C++ apps for this phone :) |
| 14:16.20 | Dave | I've had no problems in that department so far :) |
| 14:16.28 | fionaw | ok but |
| 14:16.30 | Tanuva | also qt-using ones? |
| 14:16.32 | Dave | I've even run *shudder* java apps :p |
| 14:16.39 | fionaw | I like Qt :-) |
| 14:16.48 | fionaw | anyway, the bottom line is, can it or can it not send and SMS? |
| 14:16.53 | Tanuva | I couldnt figure out how to crosscompile qt apps yet :/ |
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| 14:17.03 | fionaw | and does it or does it not work away from a power supply for a day? |
| 14:17.12 | fionaw | there is a lot of conflicting information |
| 14:17.17 | Wander_w | Tanuva: build the cross compiler, use that to cross compile the app |
| 14:17.48 | Tanuva | Wander_w: hmm... which do you mean? Is it in the qtopia-phone-src tgz? |
| 14:18.42 | fionaw | actually, to be fair I'm more interested in the PDA style applications than the phone. I don't mind carrying a separate phone |
| 14:18.54 | Stroller | fionaw: definitely does a day on a charge |
| 14:18.58 | fionaw | it's things like, is there a web browser? can it connect to encrypted WIFI networks |
| 14:19.04 | fionaw | can you send and receive emails |
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| 14:19.14 | Tanuva | fionaw: basically, it can. but there are many bugs left |
| 14:19.23 | Stroller | fionaw: I'm pretty sure it does SMS |
| 14:19.25 | Tanuva | fionaw: the web browser isnt really usable imho |
| 14:19.29 | Dave | leinir, wow, this *is* nice ;) |
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| 14:20.07 | Tanuva | fionaw: and theres no gui for wlan-configuration yet afaik |
| 14:20.16 | fionaw | also, is there a package management system that works in the traditional sense |
| 14:20.22 | Wander_w | Tanuva: try the mokomakefile (available from the wiki) that downloads and builds a crosscompiler for you |
| 14:20.39 | fionaw | and can I connect a bluetooth keyboard to it |
| 14:20.48 | Stroller | fionaw: yes, package manager, yes. But if you want working browser & email then come back in a year |
| 14:20.50 | Tanuva | Wander_w: but thats the om toolchain which doesnt really support qmake... |
| 14:21.15 | Tanuva | fionaw: bt keyboard should work from what they say on the ml |
| 14:21.17 | Wander_w | Tanuva: huh? what does qmake have to do with it? |
| 14:21.20 | fionaw | cool |
| 14:21.29 | Tanuva | Wander_w: I need qmake to compile qt apps... |
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| 14:21.31 | fionaw | but, a year? Doesn't qtopia already have things like this |
| 14:21.31 | leinir | Dave: Indeed - functions as a phone and everything :) Not quite as fully-fletched-linuxey as the other images, but while we wait for those to get to working standard (and/or raster to launch openmoko-raster ;) ), it'll definitely do :) |
| 14:21.46 | Stroller | There really ought to be a page on the wiki for this |
| 14:21.47 | Xaos | fionaw: Here's a link you can look at to see what is/is not working: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 14:21.56 | Wander_w | Tanuva: ah.. um.. |
| 14:22.09 | Dave | Leinir, any idea why it keeps complaining about battery low, when I've had it plugged in now for five minutes? :\ |
| 14:22.32 | Tanuva | Wander_w: I dont want to install gtk libs, neither do I have any gtk knowledge :D |
| 14:22.37 | write_erase | Hi... compilation is over "NOTE: build 200807111620: completed" ... but I 'm not sure what has been built .... Where's the kernel & rootfs so I feed it to Qemu ? thx |
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| 14:22.51 | Dave | oh hah, they beat me too it, it would see then, Tanuva :p |
| 14:23.29 | fionaw | ahh |
| 14:23.32 | Tanuva | Dave: the battery driver seems to be somehow broken, doesnt work on gtk and asu stacks here... |
| 14:23.34 | fionaw | there are still some things unclear though |
| 14:23.42 | leinir | Dave: Not a clue... mine's good :) |
| 14:23.48 | fionaw | why is FSO listed as "Now" |
| 14:23.56 | Dave | Ah okay |
| 14:24.04 | fionaw | I thought that wasn't very far along |
| 14:24.09 | daMaestro | fso == the OM platform |
| 14:24.16 | Dave | Tanuva, at the moment I was actually referring to Qtopia (burn me, I'm blaspheming at the moment) ;) |
| 14:24.31 | Dave | Leinir, are there any special power issues I should be made additionally aware of? ;) |
| 14:24.34 | Xaos | you CAN download FSO "Now" at least milestone 1 |
| 14:24.34 | daMaestro | plans to tri-boot the freerunner |
| 14:24.35 | Tanuva | Dave: ah. I havent tried pure qtopia yet, just asu... |
| 14:24.37 | Dave | I've heard mostly apm issues with it |
| 14:24.42 | Dave | Tanuva, yeah me too |
| 14:24.44 | Tanuva | daMaestro: that would be cool :D |
| 14:24.49 | leinir | Dave: You'll want to fiddle with the power settings a bit :) |
| 14:24.49 | Dave | it blew, I went straight to gtk |
| 14:24.52 | fionaw | If I was to order a freerunner tomorrow, what image would it arrive with? or would it arrive wthout any? |
| 14:24.53 | daMaestro | Tanuva, you can do it |
| 14:24.54 | Dave | yeah |
| 14:25.04 | Dave | leinir, I hear suspend "breaks" a lot of things, inadvertently |
| 14:25.10 | Dave | I guess that was the main issue |
| 14:25.14 | leinir | Dave: Likely yes :) |
| 14:25.25 | daMaestro | Tanuva, i plan on using the OM image, qtopia and ASU |
| 14:25.31 | Tanuva | fionaw: a very slimmed version of the gtk stack, I recommend you to immediately flash something else to it :D |
| 14:25.37 | fionaw | ok |
| 14:25.37 | daMaestro | as i want to be able to dev applications for all of them |
| 14:25.47 | Dave | but a working suspend if it worked as well as one would ideally envision it on a phone, would likely be extremely advtangageous particularly for something running full-fledged linux :) |
| 14:25.55 | Dave | What's up, Jon? |
| 14:25.59 | Tanuva | daMaestro: my choice would be gtk,asu and fso - but how do you plan to do this? |
| 14:26.03 | daMaestro | Tanuva, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card |
| 14:26.14 | daMaestro | OMGFGROFL is that DaveMan!? |
| 14:26.14 | Tanuva | that would be two choices |
| 14:26.20 | daMaestro | i've been wondering |
| 14:26.42 | daMaestro | your PTR record is similar to what i recall |
| 14:26.55 | fionaw | also, I'm wondering, does anyone have any idea about the status of the company? Are they making a loss on these, or what? |
| 14:27.03 | Tanuva | daMaestro: or is it possible to make uboot boot from a third sd-partition? |
| 14:27.17 | fionaw | If we end up in a year with working software stack and now no suitable device to run it on, what's the point? |
| 14:27.54 | daMaestro | Tanuva, i'm hoping i have time to investigate a bootloader on nand |
| 14:28.00 | Stroller | FIC do a lot of other things besides Openmoko, fionaw |
| 14:28.01 | daMaestro | Tanuva, and then everything boots from 8GB sd |
| 14:28.04 | Dave | DaMaestro, muwahahahah >:) |
| 14:28.12 | daMaestro | Dave, !!!! |
| 14:28.12 | daMaestro | lol |
| 14:28.19 | daMaestro | Dave, good to see you |
| 14:28.24 | Dave | cackles maniacally |
| 14:28.26 | Tanuva | daMaestro: hoh! sounds really interesting... |
| 14:28.27 | daMaestro | lol |
| 14:28.30 | johnsu01 | doc|home: Heh, looks like the article got buried on digg :/ |
| 14:28.31 | Dave | Damaestro, isn't it always? >:) |
| 14:28.32 | fionaw | ic |
| 14:28.41 | Dave | Damaestro, I have been hiding. |
| 14:28.55 | daMaestro | Dave, yeah; i've been wondering |
| 14:29.02 | Dave | I thought it was time to flag you down, since I see you come and go 'round these here parts. |
| 14:29.03 | daMaestro | hoping you didn't run off a cliff or something |
| 14:29.13 | Dave | don't you mean, hoping I did? :) |
| 14:29.29 | Dave | Maybe not, you never did exactly run with the rest of those... 'older gentlemen' :) |
| 14:29.33 | Sup3rkiddo | does the GPS problem affect all devices? |
| 14:29.37 | daMaestro | tries to not respond and walks slowly in the other direction |
| 14:29.40 | Dave | Speaking of which, how are they, anyway? |
| 14:29.42 | Dave | hahaha |
| 14:29.46 | Dave | Yeah, that's what I thought... |
| 14:29.50 | daMaestro | Dave, lol |
| 14:29.51 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 14:30.06 | daMaestro | Dave, they are doing well. i just met up with a few of them at FUDCon |
| 14:30.11 | Dave | Ah, nice |
| 14:30.22 | Dave | Well I'm sorry I didn't send wheaties this time... >:) |
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| 14:30.57 | daMaestro | Dave, so are you getting a freerunner or are you just trolling this channel also? |
| 14:30.58 | daMaestro | ;-) |
| 14:31.32 | Dave | Damaestro, I have many. |
| 14:31.40 | Dave | I am developing with it! |
| 14:31.46 | Dave | So :P~ |
| 14:31.48 | Tanuva | thinks about getting in touch with fso-source... |
| 14:32.22 | Dave | Who claims responsibility of maintaining the primary OM repos? |
| 14:32.30 | linuxxr | dave has 4 of them |
| 14:32.58 | Dave | We have many. |
| 14:33.15 | linuxxr | i need a track #:) |
| 14:33.20 | Dave | Ah |
| 14:33.35 | linuxxr | 2039 |
| 14:33.45 | Dave | Leinir, I wish the power-related stuff would work :[ |
| 14:33.48 | linuxxr | y maybe today |
| 14:33.57 | Dave | What's with the 'Fast Charging' option in the DevTools app? |
| 14:34.17 | Dave | Which appears to do absolutely nothing. |
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| 14:34.42 | nuclear_eclipse | UPS JUST GAVE ME MY NEO!!! W00T!!! |
| 14:34.59 | retracile | applauds enviously |
| 14:35.23 | Dave | ZOMG |
| 14:35.32 | Dave | Congratulations, nuclear_wessels. |
| 14:35.35 | nuclear_eclipse | goes back into hiding to play with it :) |
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| 14:35.37 | Dave | We all applaud your victory here. |
| 14:35.47 | Dave | haha, exactly! |
| 14:36.18 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r756c049b7992 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [busybox] add 1.11.0 which has device renaming which is essential I |
| 14:36.22 | Dave | I'm so glad my vhost no longer shows up under this nick, after ident. |
| 14:36.40 | Dave | Damaestro hooray for hiding! |
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| 14:38.52 | daMaestro | Dave, so.. i |
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| 14:39.14 | daMaestro | Dave, i'm planning on developing an interface to zenoss monitoring + func |
| 14:39.25 | daMaestro | Dave, so when i get an alert.. i can actually do something about it when mobile |
| 14:39.36 | daMaestro | Dave, like add servers to the load, restart services, etc |
| 14:39.52 | Dave | Ah! |
| 14:39.58 | Dave | Yep yep! |
| 14:40.08 | doc|home | johnsu01: not a massive surprise, iphone fanbois are everywhere :/ |
| 14:40.11 | Dave | It's kind of musing actually, jon |
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| 14:40.16 | daMaestro | Dave, ? |
| 14:40.22 | Dave | because as things curently stand, you'd need something like that for the freerunner itself :) |
| 14:40.28 | daMaestro | hahhaa |
| 14:40.42 | Dave | The longer it stays on, the more unstable it becomes, at least on a couple of primary images |
| 14:40.46 | Dave | leaky and all |
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| 14:40.53 | Dave | That's why I found that amusing :) |
| 14:40.58 | johnsu01 | doc|home: yeah, true, but usually doesn't happen to our stories.. I guess we left it unattended too long overnight :) |
| 14:41.04 | Dave | Though yeah, ideally, it'd be perfect for such things as that |
| 14:41.05 | daMaestro | Dave, yeah.. i started hacking on it with the qemu toolkit i packaged for fedora, and then building images for my neo1973 |
| 14:41.15 | Dave | Moreover, you could have a really sweet and concise interface :) |
| 14:41.17 | daMaestro | Dave, things where unstable enough i needed to find something more productive to do |
| 14:41.30 | Dave | :) |
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| 14:41.32 | Dave | right right |
| 14:41.37 | Dave | right idea though |
| 14:42.00 | Dave | Hey, honestly, I am somewhat relieved, since I now know that you didn't just come in here secretly planning to port FC to the FR :P |
| 14:42.14 | daMaestro | Dave, i'm also going to spend a weekend and see if i can intercept how the RIM/blackberry "push" features work |
| 14:42.19 | daMaestro | Dave, add some bits to gsmd |
| 14:42.28 | Dave | and hey, the only reason I'd even think of that is because there have already been KDE people coming in here... (with similar intentions) |
| 14:42.46 | Dave | Damaestro, okay good, I actually happen to know it's uncomplicated! :) |
| 14:43.03 | doc|home | johnsu01: hah |
| 14:43.07 | doc|home | -> work |
| 14:43.10 | daMaestro | Dave, i might do that academically (porting fedora) but the fedora stack is really not designed to be run on such a device |
| 14:43.22 | daMaestro | Dave, i might just get the kernel to run and boot to a shell with transit + yum |
| 14:43.23 | daMaestro | lol |
| 14:43.24 | Dave | No kidding :P |
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| 14:47.41 | summatusmentis | w/in 5 |
| 14:48.02 | summatusmentis | I can't type, don't mind me |
| 14:50.13 | Stroller | Seen on the Gentoo-user mailing list: The number of inodes can be specified at creation time with the "-N" |
| 14:50.14 | Stroller | parameter. AFAIK it cannot be changed afterwards. You can though, dd the partition to another drive, re-format, and dd it back. |
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| 14:52.43 | uzytkownik | Hello. I have a few questions about OM. 1. Is Openmoko stack still supported or it will be moved into QTopia? 2. I'd like to program an application. a) Is there any OM-specific programming manual other then openmoko.org? b) I would like to have a OM run nativly (x86) - however on separate enviroment (to not mess up with the system libraries and other parts of enviroment) - is it possible? The guide on openmoko.org seems to require s |
| 14:52.43 | uzytkownik | ome changes in system... |
| 14:54.02 | Dave | pokes leinir |
| 14:54.54 | leinir | murrrs and pushes back like a good, little subby bitch ;) |
| 14:55.02 | leinir | or something ;) |
| 14:55.06 | leinir | In other words: Yes? ;) |
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| 14:57.02 | offray_ | Hi all |
| 14:57.04 | ab0oo | ljp: two quick questions, please. Is there a terminal/console application in the Trolltech Qtopia image, and is there a web browser available? |
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| 14:58.02 | MrShleee | uzytkownik: There are 3 current stacks. I recommend reading the mickey blog |
| 14:58.18 | MrShleee | http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
| 14:59.09 | Dave | heh |
| 14:59.25 | Dave | yeah, that's a pretty good article for clueless people :) |
| 14:59.50 | Dave | We really should eventually establish a glossary on the openmoko wiki, if we don't already have one . |
| 15:00.11 | Tanuva | tmtla is great :D |
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| 15:03.26 | uzytkownik | MrShleee: OK. So as far as I understood the ASU and FSO stacks will be developed? |
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| 15:05.51 | Dave | eh? |
| 15:06.00 | Dave | gtk, as well :[ |
| 15:06.14 | Dave | though yes |
| 15:07.43 | Dave | I like the question marks in that page, haha. |
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| 15:08.27 | Xaos | MrShleee: Try giving out this URL in the future... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 15:08.33 | Xaos | it has the one you gave as well |
| 15:08.41 | Dave | yep |
| 15:08.48 | Chocky | kids |
| 15:08.52 | Dave | That is actually what I was referring to. :) |
| 15:08.55 | Dave | Chocky! |
| 15:09.08 | Chocky | well, got a phone call from UPS - delivery today. never got email though |
| 15:09.54 | Dave | :) |
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| 15:10.57 | Chocky | can only buy 4 in shop now :p |
| 15:11.18 | zmoll | Someone asked about UK distributor https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Openmoko |
| 15:12.04 | retracile | Stroller: I do hope you realize the dd advice doesn't do what they seem to think it does... |
| 15:13.34 | Chocky | is clueless and reads article |
| 15:14.07 | Dave | ;) |
| 15:14.33 | Dave | Hmm? |
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| 15:14.45 | Dave | Bah, any other Qtopia fiends here? |
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| 15:14.47 | Stroller | retracile: I posted it here because I thought the advice would be useful & helpful for those formatting SDcards for Openmoko. |
| 15:14.50 | Stroller | Oh |
| 15:14.51 | Stroller | Hang-on |
| 15:14.57 | Stroller | No I didn't |
| 15:15.21 | Stroller | wonders if he posted the comment here because he thought it amusing. |
| 15:15.38 | dtx | ~dtx |
| 15:15.43 | dtx | oh |
| 15:15.48 | dtx | I feel like a nobody |
| 15:16.07 | dtx | ~openmoko |
| 15:16.08 | apt | [openmoko] a joint venture of FIC and the open source community creating a complete open source phone platform stack. see http://openmoko.com |
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| 15:18.12 | retracile | Stroller: Yeah, substitute a 'tar' command for the 'dd' in that, and it might do some good. But the dd isn't going to help you change the number of inodes in the filesystem. |
| 15:18.27 | Stroller | retracile: duh! |
| 15:18.36 | Stroller | I'm sorry |
| 15:18.41 | Stroller | I just thought this obvious |
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| 15:19.28 | Chocky | yes, but is it Friday yet? |
| 15:20.24 | ab0oo | Dave: what qualifies as a Qtopia Fiend? |
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| 15:20.38 | reboot146 | hello |
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| 15:21.20 | Dave | uggh, great -_- |
| 15:21.31 | reboot146 | heh? |
| 15:21.35 | Dave | abooo, you know, one of our local zealots. |
| 15:21.52 | ab0oo | oh, in that case, plant me firmly in that column. |
| 15:22.47 | Dave | Ah, excellent :P |
| 15:22.54 | Dave | shackles ab0oo to his desk. |
| 15:23.01 | Dave | Now you will help me... >:) |
| 15:23.24 | Dave | Well I have to reboot now, since the "Internet Settings" just locked up the device. -_-; |
| 15:23.25 | ab0oo | I'm still drooling over the latest trolltech qtopia image. |
| 15:23.52 | Dave | The gta02 image? 4.3.2? |
| 15:24.29 | ab0oo | qtopia-4.3.2-gta02.jffs2, yes |
| 15:24.39 | Dave | I am using that one right now... |
| 15:24.48 | ab0oo | it needs controls for the wifi and gps chips. and a browser. and a terminal |
| 15:24.52 | Dave | This is my first time using it |
| 15:24.56 | Dave | right |
| 15:25.00 | Dave | well isn't there a terminal app? |
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| 15:25.05 | Dave | Qtopia Terminal |
| 15:25.07 | ab0oo | I can't find it. can you? |
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| 15:25.33 | Dave | http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=56 |
| 15:26.09 | Dave | So far though, ab0oo, the power app seems bugged or simply broken. |
| 15:26.25 | Dave | Furthermore, I cannot figure out how to conveniently connect to the phone -_- |
| 15:26.28 | Dave | Set it up for networking. |
| 15:26.44 | ab0oo | via USB? |
| 15:26.48 | Dave | I just tried using the Internet Settings in the Configuration app and it locked up the phone. |
| 15:26.51 | Dave | yes |
| 15:26.55 | ab0oo | and I agree with the power app. |
| 15:26.57 | Dave | I'd even use wifi if I had to. |
| 15:27.03 | ab0oo | hmm, mine Just Worked (tm) |
| 15:27.21 | Dave | ab0oo, as far as the power goes, it constantly tells me it's low on battery, and I have no indication that it's charging, despite being plugged in and actually charging ~_~ |
| 15:27.22 | ab0oo | usb0 on my kubuntu hardy box picked it up. |
| 15:27.25 | Dave | :| |
| 15:27.29 | Dave | picked it up, yes |
| 15:27.35 | Chocky | dammit, when can I be a zealot? |
| 15:27.41 | Dave | haha |
| 15:27.49 | ab0oo | I was just typing a comment about the battery indicator. and /dev/apm is useless, imho |
| 15:27.59 | ab0oo | I can't find a device that gives me good info on the battery |
| 15:28.15 | ebbe | I'm trying the ASU on a 1973, but the process qte is taking all cpu power.. Does anyone know why? |
| 15:28.18 | Chocky | multimeter :o |
| 15:28.19 | ab0oo | Chocky: I really do feel for you. rEALLY. |
| 15:28.32 | ab0oo | I mean a device entry in /dev |
| 15:28.34 | Xaos | so, where are the neat qtopia images that I should try in qemu while waiting for UPS? |
| 15:28.36 | Chocky | ab0oo: I wouldn't waste your energy |
| 15:28.39 | ebbe | s/qte/qpe/ |
| 15:28.42 | Dave | oh yeah |
| 15:28.49 | ab0oo | feeling sorry for you? It's a low-energy task. |
| 15:29.04 | Chocky | well, as long as I support ACPI |
| 15:29.08 | Dave | :[ |
| 15:29.52 | Chocky | looks like I'll be doing some hacking when I get my device. just have to figure out _what_ to hack on - so many things, so confusing. |
| 15:30.17 | Dave | haha yeah :p |
| 15:30.19 | ab0oo | dang, Dave, I got an error installing qpe-qterminal |
| 15:30.25 | Dave | :O |
| 15:30.27 | Dave | rut roh |
| 15:30.32 | Dave | That doesn't bode well for me. |
| 15:30.50 | Chocky | If it wasn't for those dang kids |
| 15:31.08 | Dave | Goddamnit qtopia, shut up, my battery isn't low! |
| 15:31.11 | Dave | grr |
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| 15:32.25 | ab0oo | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
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| 15:32.26 | Dave | I am going to have to have another talk with those opkg guys... |
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| 15:32.30 | ab0oo | that's a HIGHLY useless message |
| 15:32.36 | Dave | That's what it always says! :D |
| 15:32.43 | Dave | See :p |
| 15:33.29 | jdavis_ | out of curiosity, what's the difficulty in supporting 3G? Is it expensive to get the hardware, or do we just not have drivers for it? |
| 15:33.44 | Qwell | jdavis_: find one with an open API |
| 15:33.46 | Chocky | expensive in low volume, not open |
| 15:33.49 | Stroller | jdavis_: both. |
| 15:34.01 | jdavis_ | Oh, ok, that makes sense. |
| 15:34.47 | Chocky | my wife played with an iPhone yesterday again, and now she wants a FR. I suggested she wait a few months. |
| 15:35.15 | Stroller | Chocky: that's interesting. So she didn't like the iPhone? |
| 15:35.41 | jdavis_ | Chocky: you mean wait for the openmoko software to stabalize? |
| 15:35.43 | Chocky | she likes it, but understand about the price, lock in, etc. plus the fact that I have 10 FRs being delivered |
| 15:35.47 | Chocky | jdavis_: aye |
| 15:36.07 | ab0oo | 10? You're a [hero] |
| 15:36.12 | Chocky | knows |
| 15:36.28 | Dave | hah |
| 15:36.46 | ebbe | Doesn't anyone know why qpe is constantly using all off the cpu? |
| 15:36.49 | Chocky | but given the brackets, I'm wondering if you selected the wrong option in the list ;-) |
| 15:37.40 | abraxa_ | ebbe: qpe? |
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| 15:37.48 | ebbe | Yes, on ASU |
| 15:37.51 | abraxa_ | oh |
| 15:37.59 | ebbe | top shows it to me |
| 15:38.07 | weatherhead | Chocky: you got the 900 or the 850 freerunners? |
| 15:38.29 | ab0oo | ebbe: I have those same concerns. But I don't know the answer to the question. |
| 15:38.41 | ebbe | :/ |
| 15:38.52 | Chocky | 850 of course :p |
| 15:39.01 | abraxa_ | Chocky: Anything you're particularly good at hacking on? |
| 15:39.10 | Chocky | everything |
| 15:39.20 | Chocky | except hardcore hardware stuff |
| 15:39.21 | jakob__ | is there any "simple" way of recompiling the neod? Or do I need a complete OE environment for this? I need a version which does not open the accelerometer devices. |
| 15:39.31 | Chocky | and I don't speak python |
| 15:39.54 | reboot146 | how can i load my sim contact's into openmoko? |
| 15:39.58 | ebbe | jakob__: Didn't someone do that on the ml? |
| 15:40.58 | jakob__ | ebbe: yeah but he did not answer my appeal to send me over the solution, until now :) |
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| 15:41.24 | jakob__ | ebbe: Therefore I just patched the sources myself. But I am not able to recompile them :( |
| 15:41.38 | abraxa_ | jakob__: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003492.html |
| 15:41.44 | abraxa_ | oh. |
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| 15:42.15 | ebbe | jakob__: Ahh, okay. Well I would try the toolchain first, and if it doesn't compile.. I would guess the makefile.. |
| 15:42.29 | ebbe | s/makefile/Mokomakefile/ |
| 15:42.59 | jakob__ | abraxa_: yeah I already read that :) The problem is I can't compile the patched neod :( |
| 15:43.24 | jakob__ | apt: yeah... Unfortunately the toolchain does not work :( |
| 15:43.25 | abraxa_ | jakob__: Yeah, I read that you read it after I pasted the URL :) |
| 15:43.39 | jakob__ | abraxa_: *g* |
| 15:43.45 | ebbe | jakob__: Maybe you could ask for the compiled version then? |
| 15:43.53 | abraxa_ | jakob__: That *g* makes me think you're German |
| 15:43.55 | abraxa_ | Am I right? |
| 15:44.28 | linuxxr | YAWY |
| 15:44.43 | jakob__ | abraxa_: yes you are. But why can you guess that by the "*g*" |
| 15:44.51 | Chocky | oh noes. can only buy 3 FRs in shop |
| 15:44.57 | sontek | Hey, who do I talk to if you guys just charged me again? |
| 15:45.01 | jakob__ | ebbe: I already did. No answer until now |
| 15:45.06 | sontek | I just got charged a 2nd time for my phone :P |
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| 15:45.08 | abraxa_ | jakob__: Cause only Germans use it :) - you're welcome to hop over to #neo1973-germany |
| 15:45.18 | sontek | I'd like the 2nd $400 back =) |
| 15:45.27 | abraxa_ | sontek: I'd mail Steve |
| 15:45.36 | Chocky | sontek: this channel is not the company who charged you. call them up |
| 15:45.36 | jakob__ | abraxa_: interesting. I didn't realize that :) |
| 15:45.40 | Chocky | or that |
| 15:45.57 | ab0oo | Dave: I unpacked the qpkg by hand and got qterminal to run |
| 15:46.00 | ab0oo | from the command line. |
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| 15:46.16 | Dave | yeah |
| 15:46.22 | Dave | funny |
| 15:46.22 | ab0oo | which is a chicken/egg issue: how do I get the command line to run something from the command line... :) |
| 15:46.25 | Dave | right! |
| 15:46.26 | Dave | :P |
| 15:46.31 | Dave | ;) |
| 15:46.49 | Dave | I've already found a couple things about the GTK image paradoxical |
| 15:46.52 | Dave | :P |
| 15:47.09 | Dave | Anyhoo, any idea if the powernotifier patch on their site pertains to 4.3 images? |
| 15:47.18 | Dave | I would argue, most likely, I haven't really read into it though |
| 15:47.55 | Dave | Hmm, I would tentatively say Yes. |
| 15:47.59 | ab0oo | well, lorn put the new image up yesterday, so unless the patch is dated since then, I'd say no. |
| 15:48.07 | Dave | Though I don't exactly want to rebuild Qtopia right now -_- |
| 15:48.23 | Dave | Right it's quite dated, but from its description it seems like it would fix the issue. |
| 15:48.28 | Dave | Unless it's a recurrance o.O |
| 15:49.39 | Dave | ab0oo: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=5 |
| 15:50.01 | ab0oo | I'll read it in a bit. boss wants to take me to lunch. |
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| 15:50.20 | Dave | :) |
| 15:50.22 | fuzzyt | <Dave> Anyhoo, any idea if the powernotifier patch on their site pertains to 4.3 images? |
| 15:50.27 | fuzzyt | <Dave> I would argue, most likely, I haven't really read into it though |
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| 15:50.49 | Dave | o.O |
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| 15:52.40 | Xaos | Give a man a computer program and you give him a headache, but teach him to program computers and you give him the power to create headaches for others for the rest of his life... -- R. B. Forest |
| 15:53.01 | Dave | heh |
| 15:53.42 | Chocky | I wish for my computer to be as easy to use as my phone. That wish has come true, since I can no longer use my phone. |
| 15:53.56 | Dave | hah! |
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| 15:54.09 | Chocky | forget who said that |
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| 16:07.26 | sontek | Chocky: there isn't a number on the site except for Asia PR |
| 16:07.30 | Chocky | aw |
| 16:07.35 | sontek | Chocky: do you know if there is a support/sales line ? |
| 16:07.36 | Chocky | best email them then |
| 16:07.42 | Chocky | doesn't know |
| 16:07.50 | Chocky | maybe you're getting 2 ;-) |
| 16:07.59 | sontek | Yeah, I sent off an e-mail already, I just need to get that money back before tomorrow, we were renting jet skis =) |
| 16:08.41 | linuxxr | 20? |
| 16:08.54 | Chocky | random? |
| 16:09.16 | linuxxr | u gettin a group package arnt u? |
| 16:09.37 | Chocky | if sontek is, he hasn't said |
| 16:09.45 | Xaos | are there any (decent) instructions on how to patch qemu (from MokoMakefile) to gta02fake? |
| 16:10.00 | linuxxr | o i yhouhg u said a group package |
| 16:10.17 | SpeedEvil | notes that the store says '3'. |
| 16:10.20 | Dave | heh |
| 16:10.21 | Chocky | SpeedEvil: aye |
| 16:10.29 | abraxa_ | sontek: In that case, a call to your credit company works wonders. |
| 16:10.30 | Chocky | linuxxr: are you confused? |
| 16:10.30 | Dave | jetskis? openmoko? wtf? :D |
| 16:10.49 | Chocky | Dave: we've seen lawnmowers - why so surprised? |
| 16:10.59 | Dave | hah |
| 16:11.15 | jdavis_ | This may be a dumb question, but is the stylus actually required, or can you just press the screen with your finger? |
| 16:11.32 | Chocky | it depends on how sharp your fingers are |
| 16:11.35 | SpeedEvil | jdavis_: yes |
| 16:11.44 | SpeedEvil | jdavis_: any object will work. |
| 16:11.46 | jdavis_ | Oh, ok. |
| 16:11.52 | Chocky | like knife? |
| 16:11.53 | SpeedEvil | jdavis_: stylus is more accurate. |
| 16:11.54 | Chocky | +a |
| 16:11.55 | jdavis_ | And what do they mean "laser stylus"? |
| 16:12.03 | SpeedEvil | jdavis_: it's got a laser in it. |
| 16:12.16 | SpeedEvil | jdavis_: you can use it for whittling light materials, like balsa, pine or oak. |
| 16:12.17 | Stroller | It as a headband for sharks |
| 16:12.17 | Chocky | so you can burn holes in your phone |
| 16:12.23 | SpeedEvil | jdavis_: it doesn't work for steel. |
| 16:12.31 | CM | jdavis_: I accidently used a regular ink pen, didn't leave a mark |
| 16:12.42 | Chocky | and for sharpening your fingers |
| 16:12.54 | jdavis_ | Haha |
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| 16:13.18 | SpeedEvil | It's also got a light on it. |
| 16:13.55 | jdavis_ | So they actually fit a battery in the stylus? |
| 16:14.12 | SpeedEvil | jdavis_: there are a coupoe of little batteries. |
| 16:14.17 | SpeedEvil | Actually - 3 I think. |
| 16:14.23 | Chocky | no, it's a very small hamster |
| 16:14.36 | jdavis_ | wow, that must be a big stylus |
| 16:14.46 | Chocky | _very_ small hamster |
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| 16:15.03 | SpeedEvil | jdavis_: the stylus is about 13mm in diameter at the thickest part. |
| 16:15.05 | jdavis_ | Oh, well, in that case, I better not feed it too much. |
| 16:15.22 | jdavis_ | Ok |
| 16:15.43 | jdavis_ | I don't think it's really going to affect me too much if I can just use any soft, pointy object. |
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| 16:15.57 | SpeedEvil | jdavis_: yeah - the screen is relatively soft plastic. |
| 16:16.16 | leinir | SpeedEvil: four :) |
| 16:16.24 | jdavis_ | I'll save the stylus for whittling and in lieu of walking the hamster that powers it. |
| 16:16.45 | jdavis_ | (because the hamster would be getting exercise powering the laser) |
| 16:17.02 | jdavis_ | Thanks for the info. |
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| 16:19.09 | Chocky | hm, what to do with 50 null modem cables. |
| 16:19.45 | SpeedEvil | Feed them to /dev/null |
| 16:19.48 | abraxa_ | Get 49 gender changers and build your own overseas cable. |
| 16:19.53 | SpeedEvil | just found a box of 8 serial mice. |
| 16:20.00 | Chocky | sweet |
| 16:20.17 | Chocky | ok, what to do with the 50 2.5" IDE cables? |
| 16:20.40 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: RAID? |
| 16:20.52 | Chocky | just has the cables |
| 16:21.24 | fuzzyt | Chocky: Put them back in the packard bells |
| 16:21.26 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 16:21.34 | Chocky | has no PBs |
| 16:21.35 | SpeedEvil | 400 debug boards in the shop. |
| 16:22.00 | nuclear_eclipse | SpeedEvil: with the backup NOR ROM, is a debug board really "necessary" anymore? |
| 16:22.06 | Chocky | Xmas decorations it is |
| 16:22.11 | SpeedEvil | nuclear_eclipse: almost unneeded |
| 16:22.31 | SpeedEvil | nuclear_eclipse: you should basically never need it as a usual user, or even a kernel developer. |
| 16:22.39 | SpeedEvil | JTAG however might be handy in soe instances. |
| 16:22.39 | nuclear_eclipse | then, what would you need it for? |
| 16:22.53 | nuclear_eclipse | <- not a hardware hacker, just curious |
| 16:23.05 | SpeedEvil | JTAG is a debug port. |
| 16:23.13 | Qwell | nuclear_eclipse: if you want to replace the backup |
| 16:23.15 | Chocky | it looks good to have another piece of junk on your desk |
| 16:23.15 | Qwell | that'd be one reason |
| 16:23.20 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 16:23.23 | SpeedEvil | You can do stuff like halt a running system, and inspect address 0xff12334dA |
| 16:23.27 | nuclear_eclipse | ah |
| 16:23.36 | nuclear_eclipse | SpeedEvil: that's what I was getting at :) |
| 16:23.42 | SpeedEvil | Or set pin 43 of device 2 low |
| 16:23.45 | nuclear_eclipse | *that* is useful |
| 16:24.08 | Chocky | you can do that in software, but it's a lot more hassle |
| 16:24.21 | nuclear_eclipse | is poor now though, so no debug board for me |
| 16:24.32 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: yeah - it involves kernel hacking though |
| 16:24.56 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: whereas with JTAG, you can simply type the addresses in, and there you are |
| 16:25.01 | Chocky | magic. |
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| 16:25.43 | Chocky | oh good. 6 security updates for Vista. I'm glad I have a secure OS |
| 16:26.13 | abraxa_ | That was almost as bad as saying iPh... |
| 16:26.32 | Chocky | DRM, lock in, proprietary apps. It's all the same |
| 16:26.38 | linuxxr | wait 4 days to install that |
| 16:26.52 | Chocky | it's a fast machine. will only be a few mins :p |
| 16:26.59 | Chocky | mainly because I'm not using it |
| 16:27.18 | Chocky | it's purely for testing with IE, and various networking stuff. almost everyone here is Linux. |
| 16:27.24 | Chocky | er, everything. |
| 16:27.49 | linuxxr | slackware comes out with patches i never install them as soon as they come out |
| 16:28.15 | linuxxr | justincase |
| 16:28.33 | ahven | hmm, why can't I see any understandable icons in Media Player |
| 16:28.41 | ahven | like stop, play etc? |
| 16:28.47 | ahven | only grey boxes |
| 16:28.49 | linuxxr | althouge i only rember 1 time when that was useful |
| 16:29.10 | Chocky | it's all Patrick's fault |
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| 16:29.15 | linuxxr | yup |
| 16:29.44 | Chocky | friend of mine does the ARM Slackware stuff. He refers to him as "MMP" or "My Mate Patrick" |
| 16:30.00 | Chocky | port Slack to FR :p |
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| 16:30.36 | linuxxr | thats it |
| 16:30.45 | Chocky | oh noes. shop has _1_ FR left |
| 16:30.59 | linuxxr | slack is faster than all |
| 16:31.30 | linuxxr | slack is so fast that... |
| 16:31.41 | Chocky | Slack is still a full size distro. not as small as OE with busybox, etc. |
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| 16:31.57 | linuxxr | hac it |
| 16:32.23 | Chocky | well, yes. you could start by using busybox in Slack. That's your first big saving |
| 16:33.24 | linuxxr | maybe slax an that unionfs |
| 16:34.28 | Chocky | whatever turns you on |
| 16:35.02 | abraxa_ | ahven: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Un-crippling_the_2007.2_image |
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| 16:38.15 | Chocky | irony. http://www.mobilenewscwp.co.uk/News/83527/sony_ericssons_new_campaign.html |
| 16:38.28 | Chocky | kudos to google news for that one :p |
| 16:39.50 | faern | From where are the freerunners on the online shop shipped? or does that depend on where you live? |
| 16:40.07 | Chocky | mostly from Fremont, CA, USA |
| 16:40.20 | Chocky | dunno if from elsewhere |
| 16:40.46 | faern | ok :/ then I better order from some german shop or something. will be easier if it's inside the eu |
| 16:40.53 | Chocky | yes |
| 16:41.37 | faern | And I have been waiting for the shop to open :( I wonder if they have any 900 band models left in some european webshop.. |
| 16:41.42 | Chocky | besides, they only have 1 left :p |
| 16:42.11 | faern | oh.. I better order right away then :D |
| 16:42.43 | Chocky | no 900s in US shop though |
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| 16:43.15 | faern | I know. thats what I have been waiting for. or will they be shipped from somewhere else since no one in the us will need them? |
| 16:43.26 | Chocky | 25th July is the alleged date |
| 16:43.36 | Chocky | knows not about shipping |
| 16:44.14 | `pwgen` | mickey|lunch: ping |
| 16:44.14 | faern | then you dont happen to know if those shops have the gifts (pen etc) ? |
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| 16:44.50 | abraxa_ | faern: TRISoft does, GoldenDelicious does, Pulster doesn't - not sure about the others |
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| 16:45.54 | faern | abraxa_: the gifts. then I better order from them |
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| 16:46.41 | faern | too bad I cant understand most of the description.. maybe some google translate :D |
| 16:47.11 | abraxa_ | faern: They all speak English, too, if you need to get in touch |
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| 16:47.29 | MrShleee | faern: I would imagine the OM warehouse would want to ship the stock as fast as possible.. Wait until the shipping is confirmed and start hitting F5 |
| 16:48.13 | Chocky | see the xkcd link in topic |
| 16:49.20 | faern | Chocky: that xkcd is so true :D |
| 16:49.50 | Chocky | yes, problem is, I never got an email confirm. just a phone, and the tracking number didn't get noted |
| 16:50.04 | Chocky | anyway, here today if someone's home |
| 16:50.14 | Chocky | s/phone/phone call/ |
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| 17:01.14 | SpeedEvil | Oh Noes! |
| 17:01.27 | SpeedEvil | No Phones! |
| 17:02.05 | Qwell | did they add those couple hundred to throw off your graph? |
| 17:02.05 | mjr | is holding an unwrapped freerunner |
| 17:02.11 | Qwell | mjr: unwrap it! |
| 17:02.17 | Qwell | oh, unwrapped. Nevermind |
| 17:02.21 | SpeedEvil | Qwell: I'm unsure what was going on there. |
| 17:02.38 | SpeedEvil | Qwell: it is strange that the same amount seemed to go on and off in a block. |
| 17:02.38 | mjr | actually, your reaction was correct and by original statement was a brain fart |
| 17:02.54 | Qwell | mjr: I answered what you meant. |
| 17:03.09 | SpeedEvil | Oops - 1 left, my bad. |
| 17:03.26 | Chocky | unfreed wraprunner? |
| 17:04.05 | Chocky | well, the shop has been showing 1 left for the last hour. dunno what than means |
| 17:04.48 | Qwell | Chocky: nobody wants to take the last one |
| 17:04.51 | Chocky | was 4 earlier this morning. maybe sales are that slow, or they're just limiting sales of the last few |
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| 17:04.56 | Qwell | it's like one piece of cheesecake left |
| 17:05.11 | Chocky | or the last Rolo |
| 17:05.18 | Qwell | right - nobody wants to be "that guy" |
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| 17:05.35 | Chocky | it's like on Woot. They tell you the first and last suckers |
| 17:05.57 | Qwell | I don't suppose the openmoko store has change the payment methods they accept yet? |
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| 17:06.52 | SpeedEvil | Qwell: they have added 'shiny rocks' as a payment method. |
| 17:08.05 | Chocky | oh noes. http://shirt.woot.com/ |
| 17:08.13 | Chocky | goes to refill his coffee |
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| 17:11.00 | kdean06 | Openmoko store accepts silver and gold? |
| 17:11.15 | kdean06 | Is that what you mean by "shiny rocks"? |
| 17:11.23 | Chocky | no, making change is too much trouble. |
| 17:11.47 | kdean06 | That's kind of the point of using hard money though, for ther barter. |
| 17:12.51 | linuxxr | thang the god that the group sales is over maybe now they ship mine |
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| 17:13.24 | kelvie_work | I still haven't gotten my shipment notification :/ |
| 17:13.28 | kelvie_work | I'm starting to get worried now |
| 17:15.11 | linuxxr | well mahbe chockey hacked us |
| 17:15.37 | linuxxr | dave has 4 maybe it was super dave |
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| 17:16.23 | kelvie_work | linuxxr: you didn't get yours either? |
| 17:16.26 | kelvie_work | what number were you? |
| 17:16.34 | linuxxr | 2039 |
| 17:16.41 | kelvie_work | ah |
| 17:16.43 | kelvie_work | I'm 1724 |
| 17:17.00 | linuxxr | they got the monies |
| 17:17.36 | kelvie_work | yeah, my CC was charged already |
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| 17:17.54 | linuxxr | they had to ship all those overnites,2nd day crap first with limited resources so we got pushed down |
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| 17:18.28 | sontek | my card was charged twice ;P |
| 17:18.38 | sontek | on phone with cc company right now :( |
| 17:18.54 | linuxxr | whats the address of the confire notice? |
| 17:19.11 | linuxxr | confirm% |
| 17:19.20 | kelvie_work | mine was 2nd day :/ |
| 17:19.27 | kelvie_work | it makes no difference to Canada, you pay the same |
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| 17:23.55 | Chocky | kelvie_work: no email here either, but UPS called yesterday to confirm delivery today |
| 17:24.27 | Hobart | How many days did they take to actually post the charge purchase? |
| 17:25.17 | Chocky | for me, my CC company showed the credit reduction next day, then the charge the next |
| 17:25.41 | kelvie_work | Chocky: ah.. strange |
| 17:25.45 | kelvie_work | why woul dthey call sometimes? |
| 17:25.52 | kelvie_work | I forgot which number I gave them even |
| 17:25.57 | Chocky | dunno. 10 pack perhaps |
| 17:25.58 | Qwell | assuming they're following the whole "law" thing, that may mean they've already shipped. :D |
| 17:25.59 | linuxxr | same day here |
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| 17:26.08 | kelvie_work | ah |
| 17:26.10 | kelvie_work | I only have one |
| 17:26.16 | sitwon | FINALLY, UPS just pulled up outside my house! :) |
| 17:26.29 | Qwell | sitwon: order #? |
| 17:26.31 | linuxxr | so the monday after the 4th is the day |
| 17:26.36 | Chocky | maybe my email got lost |
| 17:26.53 | kelvie_work | Chocky: hehe.. tha'ts hard to do |
| 17:26.56 | sitwon | 1669 |
| 17:26.57 | kelvie_work | unless there are several spam filters |
| 17:27.32 | linuxxr | i t w ill be a pleasant suprise |
| 17:27.42 | Qwell | Cart Error: We only have 1 item(s) of Neo FreeRunner - GSM 850 left. |
| 17:27.47 | Qwell | I smell an off-by-one |
| 17:28.06 | Chocky | Qwell: could be |
| 17:28.09 | linuxxr | no time to do server maintaince |
| 17:28.24 | linuxxr | they might get more:) |
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| 17:30.10 | sitwon | wow, it's smaller than I thought it would be |
| 17:30.40 | Qwell | ooo, bug in cart |
| 17:30.42 | Chocky | heh |
| 17:31.22 | Qwell | still only visa/mc. *sigh* |
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| 17:31.54 | retracile | sitwon: that's a good thing, right? |
| 17:32.03 | Chocky | serious DPI on screen |
| 17:32.08 | sitwon | retracile: yea, it's a plesant surprise |
| 17:33.32 | Ainulindale | Any info on alsa settings ? |
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| 17:34.10 | abraxa_ | Ainulindale? |
| 17:34.29 | Ainulindale | abraxa_: yep ? |
| 17:34.39 | abraxa_ | Ainulindale: What's unclear? |
| 17:34.43 | Ainulindale | I know you already answered me but as I said, it says too low :-/ |
| 17:34.56 | Ainulindale | +t |
| 17:35.35 | abraxa_ | Did you use alsactl / alsamixer to increase the mic level? |
| 17:35.43 | Ainulindale | Which mic ? :-) |
| 17:35.50 | abraxa_ | Mic2 |
| 17:36.05 | Ainulindale | By default it's at 0 |
| 17:36.11 | Ainulindale | I can only increase it by 33% |
| 17:36.20 | Ainulindale | And when I do people hear buzzing |
| 17:37.18 | bricode | Qwell: How are you looking to pay if not Visa/MC? |
| 17:37.43 | Chocky | Amex/Discover/Maestro |
| 17:38.22 | bricode | Chocky: 850 or 900 MHz phone? |
| 17:38.22 | Chocky | dunno ;-) |
| 17:38.22 | bricode | Chocky: Country? |
| 17:38.22 | Chocky | just sayin' |
| 17:38.31 | Chocky | paid by Visa |
| 17:38.41 | bricode | Chocky: Gotcha. |
| 17:39.01 | abraxa_ | Ainulindale: Did you increase the playback or record level? (just making sure) |
| 17:39.22 | Chocky | store is out! |
| 17:39.24 | Chocky | sold out! fnar. |
| 17:39.41 | Chocky | or broken ;-) |
| 17:40.23 | Ainulindale | abraxa_: Nope, didn't find out a setting clear enough to set it |
| 17:40.39 | sontek | I just sent an e-mail requesting a cancel of my order, so another will be available shortly :P |
| 17:40.41 | Ainulindale | I tried to fiddle with some things with no good result |
| 17:40.51 | abraxa_ | Ainulindale: When using alsamixer, press <tab> to switch between the playback/record controls |
| 17:41.15 | Ainulindale | Yep I know that, and still, no setting clear enough |
| 17:41.21 | abraxa_ | ah ok |
| 17:41.56 | Ainulindale | Usually I would set capture but it seems to do nothing |
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| 17:42.28 | abraxa_ | It's a little tricky indeed as we don't know what's connected where |
| 17:42.51 | kelvie_work | no one wrote a GUI mixer yet? :o |
| 17:43.41 | abraxa_ | No, as there were more urgent problems to fix I suppose |
| 17:44.24 | Chocky | moo |
| 17:45.43 | Chocky | wife better be home for delivery today :p otherwise I'll have to drive to depot tomorrow. |
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| 17:49.14 | ab0oo | Dave: do you know the secret to adding an icon to allow qterminal to run from the opie menu? |
| 17:49.41 | ab0oo | I mean qtopia menu. opie is dead. long live opie. |
| 17:53.10 | doc|work | ab0oo: 2002 is long gone, let it go :) |
| 17:53.35 | ab0oo | at least I'm not pining for big hair and new episodes of the fresh prince of bel-air |
| 17:53.54 | doc|work | 1) same 2) that'd rock |
| 17:54.08 | ab0oo | at least we have Hancock. |
| 17:54.10 | Chocky | ab0oo: confusing your decades there |
| 17:54.21 | ab0oo | when you've lived through as many as I have... |
| 17:54.38 | Chocky | then you're old? |
| 17:54.58 | ab0oo | experienced. |
| 17:55.03 | Chocky | well put. |
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| 17:55.29 | reboot971 | hello |
| 17:56.16 | ab0oo | but not experienced enought to add the qterminal icon to the qtopia applications page |
| 17:56.28 | Chocky | aw |
| 17:56.58 | reboot971 | someone know's what i have to do? i open my text messaging i see it for 1 second than it goes back to home screen |
| 17:57.04 | Chocky | knows |
| 17:57.53 | Chocky | is it Friday yet? |
| 17:57.56 | ab0oo | a link to the 'structions would be great. |
| 17:58.21 | doc|work | Chocky: did you get your shipping details yet? |
| 17:58.36 | Chocky | via a phone call yesterday, no email |
| 17:58.37 | doc|work | Chocky: and yes, it is :) |
| 17:58.39 | doc|work | Chocky: yey! |
| 17:58.57 | Chocky | will be here today |
| 17:59.01 | doc|work | nice |
| 17:59.07 | doc|work | 10 pack? |
| 17:59.08 | Chocky | all 10! all mine! |
| 17:59.15 | doc|work | huh!? |
| 17:59.23 | doc|work | do the rest of the group know this? |
| 17:59.25 | Chocky | overexcited |
| 18:00.01 | Chocky | well, shop really does seem all out. |
| 18:00.52 | doc|work | oh wow |
| 18:00.57 | doc|work | \o/ |
| 18:01.18 | doc|work | I'm happy for them, hopefully they get some more in soon |
| 18:01.19 | Chocky | |o/ |
| 18:01.19 | Chocky | \o| |
| 18:01.19 | Chocky | |o| |
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| 18:01.34 | doc|work | they better have mine however, or there'll be 10 unhappy canadians |
| 18:01.48 | Chocky | 10 more? ;-) |
| 18:01.55 | doc|work | hah |
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| 18:03.54 | *** part/#openmoko reboot971 (n=reboot@d51A55B22.access.telenet.be) |
| 18:04.03 | jandark | Which architecture version of ARM is in FreeRunner ? ARMv4T ? |
| 18:04.06 | jandark | or ARMv6KZ |
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| 18:04.14 | mmontour | v4t |
| 18:04.38 | Chocky | no CLZ for you |
| 18:05.08 | sirkha | hey, has anyone here bought the freerunner, did you get a tracking number? |
| 18:05.15 | jandark | ow thanks I mixed up Family of ARM with architecture version |
| 18:05.16 | Chocky | heh. deja-vu |
| 18:05.28 | doc|work | sirkha: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Where_is_my_Freerunner%3F |
| 18:05.42 | doc|work | sirkha: what's your order number? |
| 18:05.43 | sirkha | the awesome, that is totally what i was looking for |
| 18:05.47 | doc|work | :) |
| 18:05.50 | Chocky | all my fault |
| 18:05.55 | doc|work | points at Chocky |
| 18:06.18 | doc|work | it's kind of worrying that my order is dead last on that list :( |
| 18:06.22 | sirkha | um, 2014 |
| 18:06.23 | Chocky | aw |
| 18:06.59 | doc|work | people are putting too much info into the second column, makes it slower to read |
| 18:07.04 | jandark | mmm can I run android on my freerunner ? |
| 18:07.10 | sirkha | yeah, waht is supposed to be there? |
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| 18:07.47 | Staticwave_Ace | hello all, has anyone from Canada ordered from Koloo/ |
| 18:07.49 | doc|work | just yes or no for shipping info received and if so. the date you received it rally |
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| 18:08.03 | doc|work | Staticwave_Ace: considered it, but they didn't have stock :/ |
| 18:08.25 | Staticwave_Ace | doc|work: yeah, open a storefront with no stock, now I'm waiting for who knows how long :-/ |
| 18:08.36 | mmontour | koolu's site now says 100 in stock |
| 18:08.36 | doc|work | Staticwave_Ace: you ordered? |
| 18:08.41 | Staticwave_Ace | doc|work: I did |
| 18:08.46 | Chocky | jandark: no, not without mega hacking. there's a page somewhere where someone documented their efforts |
| 18:08.46 | doc|work | Staticwave_Ace: you should contact them |
| 18:08.51 | Chocky | besides, Andriod is closed |
| 18:09.14 | jandark | Chocky, I got it , thanks |
| 18:09.22 | Staticwave_Ace | doc|work: its still way cheaper than ordering from openmoko.com, UPS would screw me otherwise |
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| 18:11.19 | Chocky | ugh. got updated to Firefox 3.01 beta automatically. |
| 18:12.15 | doc|work | Staticwave_Ace: yeah, ups = scum |
| 18:13.06 | Staticwave_Ace | doc|work: scum doesn't even begin to describe it |
| 18:13.17 | doc|work | Staticwave_Ace: what's their warranty btw? |
| 18:13.26 | *** part/#openmoko Sebastian (i=crazyuse@hartes-php.de) |
| 18:13.33 | sirkha | *shrugs* i have had better luck with UPS than anyone else (and my dad owns a packaging and shipping store) |
| 18:13.44 | sirkha | (which does not mean that they don't suck) |
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| 18:14.15 | doc|work | sirkha: yeah, but they have scam fees when bringing things into canada |
| 18:14.25 | doc|work | UPS in the US are supposed to be ok. UP here they suck |
| 18:14.53 | Chocky | Rogers _and_ sucky UPS. I'd be unhappy too ;-) |
| 18:14.54 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: Any idea on what's going to happen to 2007.2? I'm asking cause I'm wondering whether some people could get SVN access to add bugfixes and other enhancements |
| 18:14.59 | doc|work | Chocky: yeah |
| 18:15.01 | Chocky | at least the $CA is strong. |
| 18:15.12 | doc|work | Chocky: not as strong as it should be. Stupid Bank of Canada. |
| 18:15.16 | Chocky | ah. |
| 18:15.24 | zmoll | speaking of firefox. Does this page take down anyone else's firefox 3? Or just my ubuntu firefox thing? |
| 18:15.24 | zmoll | http://www.hecklerspray.com/top-20-non-american-war-movies/200815089.php |
| 18:15.37 | Chocky | I can just imagine all those Canadians writing polite letters saying how angry they might get. |
| 18:15.50 | doc|work | zmoll: no one was speaking of firefox, please don't spam |
| 18:15.52 | sirkha | sounds like the UN |
| 18:15.52 | mickeyl | abraxa_: As far as I know, nothing will happen to it from Openmoko side. I rather suggest deprecating the Openmoko SVN and have people taking the sourcecode from there (+ ohand sources) and starting their work on SHR (or improving 2007.2) on the sources. That will put the community into control (granting access et. al) |
| 18:15.59 | Chocky | doc|home: I was, my fault |
| 18:16.09 | zmoll | I'll shut me big gob. |
| 18:16.23 | doc|work | zmoll: ok, he was, my bad |
| 18:16.27 | mickeyl | abraxa_: I will change the SRC_URI in OE once anyone did that |
| 18:16.33 | Dave | ab0oo: did you figure out the secret? |
| 18:16.33 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: Okay, good |
| 18:16.35 | Chocky | but there's no such thing as "Ubuntu Firefox", btw. |
| 18:16.47 | ab0oo | Dave: no, I'm here right now: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=7 |
| 18:17.00 | mickeyl | it just needs someone taking the wheel |
| 18:17.04 | ab0oo | but I can't seem to crack the <Manufacturer>/<Device> code |
| 18:17.05 | mickeyl | then we can all move |
| 18:17.15 | zmoll | I daren't say owt. |
| 18:17.39 | ab0oo | opkg barfs on the .qpk file |
| 18:17.46 | doc|work | owt |
| 18:17.49 | doc|work | ^ seems safe |
| 18:17.51 | ab0oo | and I'm simply too stupid to install it by hand. |
| 18:17.54 | sirkha | ok, well thanks for the info, i'll be sure to come back and chat when i am less tired and angry :) |
| 18:18.08 | *** part/#openmoko sirkha (n=John_Kha@c-68-58-178-237.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) |
| 18:18.12 | linuxxr | i guess eveyone is editing the Wheres my freerunner list when they get the phone right? |
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| 18:18.23 | doc|work | linuxxr: hopefully |
| 18:18.43 | linuxxr | im srtill outaluck |
| 18:18.49 | Chocky | well, they only need to edit when they get their notification |
| 18:18.54 | mjr | pats his freerunner :] |
| 18:19.05 | Dave | my preeeeeeeeecious :] |
| 18:19.08 | doc|work | linuxxr: order no? |
| 18:19.11 | linuxxr | oooooooooh |
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| 18:19.17 | linuxxr | 2039 |
| 18:19.19 | doc|work | odd |
| 18:19.25 | doc|work | why are they skipping some? :/ |
| 18:19.28 | Chocky | one distro to rule them all. one SVN to bind them. and in the darkness, one phone to call them all. |
| 18:19.37 | Dave | Anyone want some bbq? :D |
| 18:19.37 | linuxxr | well the list shows that |
| 18:19.41 | doc|work | one distro? nevar! |
| 18:19.50 | Dave | Chocky, yeah, fuck git! :p |
| 18:19.54 | doc|work | git++ |
| 18:19.55 | Chocky | git blows |
| 18:19.58 | Dave | huhu |
| 18:20.00 | Chocky | git so confusing. |
| 18:20.03 | Dave | debian forever! |
| 18:20.06 | Chocky | and Mecurical can join it |
| 18:20.07 | doc|work | not confusing |
| 18:20.13 | doc|work | pain to set up |
| 18:20.16 | Dave | \o/ |
| 18:20.16 | Chocky | svn mostly good. |
| 18:20.16 | doc|work | easy after that |
| 18:20.28 | Chocky | and yes, Debian forever. |
| 18:20.31 | Dave | doc, it's definitely easier to get going for a simple small project :P |
| 18:20.37 | ab0oo | ljp: you around? I could use some Troll love. |
| 18:20.57 | Dave | though yeah, for something tiered with multiple branches and bastardized hierarchies, sure sure :p |
| 18:21.03 | Dave | ab0oo: hah! |
| 18:21.05 | Dave | :] |
| 18:21.22 | doc|work | hungry :( |
| 18:21.57 | Chocky | have some Canadian moose |
| 18:22.07 | Dave | Doc, you're always hungry! |
| 18:22.15 | Dave | Have some canadian bacon |
| 18:22.19 | Dave | I'm sure it comes in bags, too! |
| 18:22.21 | wurp2 | mickeyl: Any reason that we shouldn't use git for the repo for our fork of 2007.2? |
| 18:22.22 | Dave | giggles |
| 18:22.29 | Chocky | Dave: blame Alan Alda |
| 18:22.33 | mickeyl | wurp2: no reason. sounds good |
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| 18:22.48 | Chocky | dammit. I have to learn git now. |
| 18:22.54 | wurp2 | mickeyl: k, thanks |
| 18:22.59 | Dave | :P |
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| 18:23.14 | abraxa_ | wurp2: git... where? |
| 18:23.24 | Dave | wurp, see what you've done now!? |
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| 18:23.53 | kd8ikt | so who all has their freerunners |
| 18:24.04 | Dave | Who doesn't? :p |
| 18:24.10 | kd8ikt | <-me |
| 18:24.10 | Dave | ;) |
| 18:24.20 | kd8ikt | sure am sad about the glamo |
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| 18:24.27 | Dave | Blamo! |
| 18:24.31 | Dave | KABOOM! |
| 18:24.33 | kd8ikt | noshit |
| 18:24.36 | kd8ikt | http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-community/2008/6/28/2283504 |
| 18:24.49 | Dave | boohoo? |
| 18:25.41 | Chocky | some guy did a bunch of work, and has much more promising results with it |
| 18:25.47 | Chocky | hacked up mplayer, etc |
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| 18:26.07 | Chocky | http://unadventure.wordpress.com/ |
| 18:26.24 | kd8ikt | read it ;) |
| 18:26.30 | Chocky | whysosad? |
| 18:26.48 | Qwell | ooo, -vo glamo |
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| 18:27.25 | kd8ikt | all vid has to go through that glamo/bus right? |
| 18:27.29 | mickeyl | ya |
| 18:27.30 | kd8ikt | X etc |
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| 18:27.58 | Chocky | I think the result will be more than satisfactory. have patience young padawan |
| 18:28.05 | doc|work | kd8ikt: and all sd info |
| 18:28.10 | doc|work | er, data |
| 18:28.35 | kd8ikt | oh i'm still buying my from the group sales guys a state away thur |
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| 18:29.17 | Chocky | just think - you can still get an iPhone ;-) |
| 18:29.18 | KrisAbsinthe_ | wish that the GTA01 could use Mplayer |
| 18:29.30 | Dave | heh |
| 18:29.33 | kd8ikt | iphone :P |
| 18:29.40 | Chocky | iJail |
| 18:29.40 | kd8ikt | iphone can suck my inutz |
| 18:29.45 | mickeyl | heh |
| 18:29.58 | doc|work | fines Chocky one testicle |
| 18:30.17 | Chocky | dammit, down to two. |
| 18:30.20 | Dave | o.O |
| 18:30.23 | Dave | haha |
| 18:30.23 | doc|work | O.o |
| 18:30.29 | Qwell | mickeyl: somebody should poke the sales guys, to add something besides visa/mc (read: amex) to the store :p |
| 18:30.36 | Dave | offers doc some barbecue chicken |
| 18:30.44 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 18:30.48 | doc|work | mmmchicken |
| 18:30.49 | mickeyl | you can't imagine how complicated that all is |
| 18:30.56 | Dave | Qwell, like six credit cards simultaneously? |
| 18:30.57 | Dave | :p |
| 18:30.59 | mickeyl | these shop systems suck so much |
| 18:31.02 | Qwell | Dave: That too |
| 18:31.04 | mickeyl | it's insane |
| 18:31.10 | Qwell | mickeyl: oh, I know.. |
| 18:31.12 | doc|work | also, amex charge ridiculous fees to vendors |
| 18:31.21 | Chocky | so this guy was embarassed about having 3 testicles, and went to see his doctor. Doctor told him to boast about it. So the next guy he says in the street, he tells "you know, between the 2 of us, we have 5 testicles" |
| 18:31.30 | doc|work | I'd much rather they added alternative delivery options |
| 18:31.30 | Dave | heh |
| 18:31.39 | Chocky | and the guy replies in a high voice "well, you must have quite a cluster" |
| 18:32.00 | KrisAbsinthe_ | lol |
| 18:32.14 | doc|work | heh |
| 18:32.26 | Dave | Is that the end of the story? |
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| 18:33.23 | doc|work | thinks Dave didn't get it |
| 18:33.36 | Qwell | so, who's gonna buy me that last phone, and let me send them some money through paypal? :P |
| 18:33.41 | Dave | It's pretty weak. |
| 18:33.43 | kd8ikt | he laughs last ussually needs the joke explained |
| 18:33.47 | Dave | hah |
| 18:33.50 | Dave | Qwell :p |
| 18:33.51 | kd8ikt | he who* |
| 18:34.30 | mmontour | Qwell: it's gone. The OM store has no phones available for purchase now. |
| 18:34.36 | Qwell | aww |
| 18:34.46 | Dave | consoles Qwell |
| 18:35.30 | linuxxr | who do i email about my order |
| 18:35.48 | stephelt1n | what order # are you? |
| 18:35.53 | linuxxr | 2039 |
| 18:36.14 | linuxxr | 9.30 am jul 4 |
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| 18:36.31 | stephelt1n | i'm 1313 i didn't hear anything until wed |
| 18:36.38 | linuxxr | ok |
| 18:36.40 | Chocky | I'm 133t |
| 18:36.46 | linuxxr | impatiance |
| 18:37.17 | Chocky | Dave: did you use bash for your console shell? |
| 18:37.34 | *** join/#openmoko imcsk8 (n=ichavero@148.229.1.11) |
| 18:37.35 | Dave | What shell? |
| 18:37.39 | Dave | on the freerunner? |
| 18:37.45 | Chocky | the one the console runs. |
| 18:37.56 | Dave | in general? |
| 18:37.56 | Chocky | * Dave/#openmoko consoles Qwell |
| 18:37.56 | Dave | Do I use bash? |
| 18:38.06 | Dave | OH |
| 18:38.08 | Dave | haha :p |
| 18:38.12 | Dave | of course! |
| 18:38.14 | Qwell | ksh please |
| 18:38.20 | Dave | bash bash bash! |
| 18:38.35 | Dave | wouldn't you rather have tcsh, Qwell? ;) |
| 18:38.43 | Chocky | python :p |
| 18:38.44 | Dave | since you seemed to be low on it, earlier :p |
| 18:39.02 | Qwell | tcsh? no thanks |
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| 18:39.59 | Dave | cash money? |
| 18:40.06 | kd8ikt | /bin/bush |
| 18:40.49 | Dave | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.59 | nuclear_eclipse | zsh ftw! |
| 18:41.22 | Dave | forces kd8ikt to use msh |
| 18:41.31 | Chocky | perl as a shell |
| 18:42.08 | Xaos | cat /dev/flame > /dev/war |
| 18:42.16 | Xaos | rm -rf /dev/war |
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| 18:43.47 | kd8ikt | msh? you mean microsuck shell? |
| 18:43.54 | *** part/#openmoko igor321 (n=igor@203-100.dsl.iskon.hr) |
| 18:44.08 | Qwell | Xaos: You know that removing the node won't do anything, since something is already accessing it, right? :D |
| 18:44.20 | KrisAbsinthe_ | Wow, the solar cells from the solar garden light are very efficient |
| 18:44.25 | nuclear_eclipse | with the GTK daily build, can I (and how do I) get it to 'suspend' when I don't want to use it but still want to get phone calls? |
| 18:44.28 | kd8ikt | there can be only one |
| 18:44.35 | KrisAbsinthe_ | 1.5x2 inch giving 5v |
| 18:44.36 | Xaos | Qwell: nice |
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| 18:45.01 | kd8ikt | heh yeah KrisAbsinthe_that the cell on your 1973? |
| 18:45.10 | Xaos | sudo killall warmongers && rm -rf /dev/war |
| 18:45.15 | Qwell | dd if=/dev/zero of=/blah.dd& rm /blah.dd |
| 18:45.19 | KrisAbsinthe_ | yeah, lol. May have to cover some of the cell |
| 18:45.19 | Qwell | watch your disk fill up quick like |
| 18:45.31 | Chocky | enough already |
| 18:46.07 | Dave | Qwell, smartass :p |
| 18:47.11 | wurp2 | nuclear_eclipse: With the "Dim, then lock" option on the power button menu |
| 18:48.51 | nuclear_eclipse | wurp2: but then it 'wakes up' when I touch the screen; I'm talking about some way of suspending it, so that the screen wont wake it up, so I can put it in my pocket, etc |
| 18:49.09 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse: hah, exactly! |
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| 18:49.17 | Dave | muwahahhaa finally someone else sees my issue ;) |
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| 18:49.29 | doc|work | so many issues |
| 18:49.30 | wurp2 | nuclear_eclipse: 'lock' used to mean suspend |
| 18:49.31 | Staticwave_Ace | ha! I love mocking the iPhone people with their completely inoperative phones |
| 18:49.43 | doc|work | Staticwave_Ace: dude, iphone! |
| 18:49.44 | Chocky | with your incomplete freerunner? ;-) |
| 18:49.44 | Dave | :P |
| 18:49.51 | Dave | pretty much |
| 18:50.57 | nuclear_eclipse | so what you all are saying is that what I want isn't possible yet? |
| 18:51.02 | KrisAbsinthe_ | my mom has an iPhone, at least she can make a call. |
| 18:51.07 | Chocky | aye |
| 18:51.08 | doc|work | my boss was telling me his wife went to an iphone store and asked how much the iphone 3g was, they wouldn't tell her, it hadn't been launched yet or something. Anyway, she was a bit confused by this because they were advertising it. She said "why won't you tell me the price? it's just a phone" and the person there said "ma'am, it's not just a phone, it's an iphone" |
| 18:51.20 | Chocky | hah |
| 18:51.21 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 18:51.27 | Chocky | iFanBoi |
| 18:51.52 | Chocky | iHype. |
| 18:52.18 | doc|work | nuclear_eclipse: might not be possible yet |
| 18:52.30 | doc|work | the power management stuff is still being worked on |
| 18:52.30 | nuclear_eclipse | poop |
| 18:52.35 | SpeedEvil | Battery life at teh moment is very much a work in progress. Currently suspend is broken, so you get 6-12 hours depending on what's on. The hardware appears capable of doing a week standby, with 20 hours mp3, and 5 hours+ talk time. |
| 18:52.37 | doc|work | yep :/ |
| 18:52.53 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: you should script that :) |
| 18:52.54 | nuclear_eclipse | also, is there a way to set tho clock without needing a terminal/ssh? |
| 18:53.01 | wurp2 | ~FAQ |
| 18:53.02 | apt | well, faq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_FAQ |
| 18:53.04 | Chocky | ntp :p |
| 18:53.12 | doc|work | nuclear_eclipse: see, now you're just asking for useful features. silly man. |
| 18:53.13 | doc|work | :) |
| 18:53.16 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 18:53.21 | nuclear_eclipse | my apologies |
| 18:53.31 | Dave | doc: oh man, that's rich. |
| 18:53.32 | wurp2 | nuclear_eclipse: I have a gps-date script on my .desktop |
| 18:53.40 | doc|work | actually, this kinda makes the point of the gta01 moot, doesn't it? |
| 18:53.44 | wurp2 | But not for you :-) |
| 18:54.51 | Dave | Now now, everyone play nice :) |
| 18:54.57 | Chocky | refuses |
| 18:55.13 | mmontour | nuclear_eclipse: see http://moko.mwester.net/fixes.html for suspend/resume stuff |
| 18:55.18 | Dave | That's okay, you are exempt, Chocky. |
| 18:55.34 | Chocky | has a "CA except" sticker |
| 18:55.36 | kd8ikt | lol idiot its nucular the s is silent -peter griffin |
| 18:55.53 | nuclear_eclipse | mmontour: ty |
| 18:56.07 | nuclear_eclipse | kd8ikt: I love that quote :) |
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| 18:56.18 | Dave | NUCLEAR WESSELS! |
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| 18:56.35 | Chocky | Captain, it is the Enterprise |
| 18:56.38 | kd8ikt | there be whales here |
| 18:56.56 | Dave | ENGAGE! |
| 18:57.11 | SpeedEvil | wants a transparent aluminium neo case. |
| 18:57.11 | kd8ikt | energize i believe |
| 18:57.14 | Chocky | Sulu, feel free to ... indulge yourself |
| 18:57.20 | Dave | haha |
| 18:57.29 | Chocky | SpeedEvil: such material exists. cost you about $10k though |
| 18:57.34 | SpeedEvil | Or at least sapphire. |
| 18:57.43 | Chocky | now that's just selfish |
| 18:57.48 | Dave | Moon sapphires!? |
| 18:57.49 | rivalarrival | mmmmm.... Transparent Aluminum... |
| 18:58.01 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: I've contemplated HIP assembly of ruby, corundum, sapphire, in interesting patterns. |
| 18:58.03 | Dave | haha |
| 18:58.06 | Xaos | SpeedEvil: speaking of cases, just found out the next line of Dell notebooks will NOT have plastic cases, but brushed aluminum |
| 18:58.09 | kd8ikt | did he really say that to sulu? (cause he's gay) |
| 18:58.11 | Dave | whales, haha |
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| 18:58.27 | Dave | Xaos, ooh la la |
| 18:58.35 | Dave | I'm sure they'll break all the same. |
| 18:58.37 | walrustown | still in memphis... |
| 18:58.39 | walrustown | still in memphis... |
| 18:58.39 | Xaos | probably |
| 18:58.40 | walrustown | still in memphis... |
| 18:58.47 | Qwell | Xaos: brushed aluminum-colored plastic. :) |
| 18:58.54 | Dave | They're taking a page out of Apple's craptastic material engineering book. |
| 18:58.56 | rivalarrival | Xaos: Are they still "Dell"? |
| 18:58.59 | Dave | haha |
| 18:59.02 | Xaos | yep |
| 18:59.03 | Chocky | they did a thing on Sulu on "The Soup". Mankini! |
| 18:59.05 | Dave | Qwell hit it, correctly. |
| 18:59.09 | Dave | iDell? :O |
| 18:59.12 | Qwell | Dave: I'm a realist. |
| 18:59.13 | Xaos | My manager had lunch with our account rep... |
| 18:59.15 | nuclear_eclipse | anyone with a 1973 wanna sell me the silver trim from their case? |
| 18:59.18 | rivalarrival | Xaos: So, they suck, but now have a metal case? |
| 18:59.25 | Xaos | exactly |
| 18:59.32 | Dave | It'll likely cost you $200 more |
| 18:59.38 | Chocky | continues not buying Dell |
| 18:59.42 | Xaos | actually though, I kinda like the Dell laptops...at least the Lattitude line |
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| 18:59.44 | Dave | high-fives Chocky |
| 19:00.00 | Dave | Xaos, it's been pretty good, over the years. |
| 19:00.10 | Dave | Though ridiculously overpriced nowadays. |
| 19:00.22 | Xaos | true...but my company bought mine for me ;-) |
| 19:01.02 | kd8ikt | i'm on my acer aspire 4315 not a bad machine for only 400$ same stuff but cpu/drive size as a eeepc |
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| 19:01.40 | Chocky | gets the call. packages have arrived at home. |
| 19:01.50 | Dave | heh, cute. |
| 19:01.54 | Chocky | just as long as the 4 year old doesn't open then, they'll be ok :o |
| 19:01.56 | Dave | Chocky, release the hounds! |
| 19:02.05 | Chocky | well, the terrier. |
| 19:02.09 | kd8ikt | "boss i'm not feeling too good may i go home" |
| 19:02.14 | nuclear_eclipse | :D |
| 19:02.19 | Dave | Always suspect the wife. |
| 19:02.33 | Chocky | yes, but it's Friday and there's beer in the fridge outside my door. |
| 19:02.37 | *** part/#openmoko jlmoko (n=jluis@226.Red-88-18-120.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:02.40 | Dave | \o/ |
| 19:02.41 | retracile | "... my wife just had a delivery" ;) |
| 19:02.42 | kd8ikt | hear about hans reiser last week |
| 19:02.49 | Dave | haha |
| 19:02.52 | Dave | Terrible :p |
| 19:02.55 | kd8ikt | took police to her body |
| 19:02.59 | Chocky | decisions, decisions. |
| 19:03.00 | *** join/#openmoko baze (n=baze@g230233161.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 19:03.08 | Dave | beers Chocky |
| 19:03.12 | Chocky | phone must wait for beer |
| 19:03.20 | Chocky | plus I actually have work to do before 4pm :p |
| 19:03.24 | Dave | oh, heh |
| 19:03.30 | Dave | Then you better get crackin' :p |
| 19:03.31 | Chocky | such as sit here and harass people. |
| 19:03.48 | Chocky | and a conference call at 2pm. fnar |
| 19:03.50 | Dave | It's your job! |
| 19:03.51 | nuclear_eclipse | according to my (incorrect) neo, it's already 4:01 :P |
| 19:04.04 | Dave | haha |
| 19:04.17 | kd8ikt | oh shite has anyone worked on conf calling on the moko? |
| 19:04.23 | *** join/#openmoko blan (n=blan@dslb-092-074-200-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:04.26 | Dave | first get calling working :P |
| 19:04.36 | nuclear_eclipse | calling works for me |
| 19:04.42 | Dave | then go go go! |
| 19:05.04 | kd8ikt | anything in the gsmlib to show that conf calling is possible |
| 19:05.08 | Xaos | kd8ikt: Speaking of Reiser...have you seen this table? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_file_systems&oldid=220529437#Features |
| 19:05.15 | Xaos | check out the last column |
| 19:05.36 | nuclear_eclipse | Xaos: that's just cruel... :P |
| 19:05.37 | Dave | one gives you a free murder? |
| 19:05.39 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 19:05.49 | kd8ikt | thats terrible |
| 19:06.04 | Dave | Hey, I was just guessing :) |
| 19:06.05 | *** join/#openmoko garnser_ (n=jpeterss@shella2.mysql.com) |
| 19:06.23 | Xaos | yeah...friend sent it to me earlier this week...it's very wrong! |
| 19:06.23 | rivalarrival | Nice |
| 19:06.41 | Chocky | I worked at a place where someone edited a wikipedia entry about Mr Wikipedia adding that he ate babies. |
| 19:06.56 | garnser_ | does anyone know if the AT&T 3G sim was fixed with the Freerunnner? |
| 19:07.04 | kd8ikt | i have to show some freinds that before it gets edited by the wiki nazi's |
| 19:07.04 | doc|work | that's silly, file systems don't kill people, hans reiser kills people. |
| 19:07.10 | Chocky | good question. I have such a sim here to try later. |
| 19:07.15 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: that's a low blow. |
| 19:07.23 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: (with a hammer). |
| 19:07.30 | doc|work | kd8ikt: that's an old version, that link's going nowhere |
| 19:07.36 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: hahaha |
| 19:07.52 | garnser_ | Chocky: I just tried but it seams unable to register out of the box, going to run some more tests once I get home though |
| 19:08.01 | SpeedEvil | wonders if anythings happened with the plea negotiations. |
| 19:08.01 | Dave | garnser, it works fine. |
| 19:08.15 | garnser_ | Dave: did you have to do some black magic to get it working? |
| 19:08.21 | Dave | No |
| 19:08.33 | Dave | I activated it, stuck it in, it registered just fine. |
| 19:08.37 | garnser_ | hm, I wonder why mine wouldn't work then |
| 19:08.38 | rivalarrival | SpeedEvil: Yeah, they reduced the charges from 1st degree manslaughter to 2nd degree. |
| 19:08.39 | Dave | I then placed a call, which also worked fine. |
| 19:08.54 | doc|work | manslaughter?! |
| 19:08.59 | rivalarrival | After he was convicted, but before sentencing |
| 19:09.04 | doc|work | how did he even get just a manslaughter charge? |
| 19:09.06 | Chocky | this is a work one from a PCMCIA card. it's a data plan, so I dunno if I can make calls with it |
| 19:09.09 | garnser_ | Dave: are you using the Go-contract SIM or a" regular" one |
| 19:09.18 | *** join/#openmoko paroneayea (n=user@fsf/member/paroneayea) |
| 19:09.26 | Xaos | why is it that someone kills another and they are charged with man's laughter? |
| 19:09.45 | doc|work | Xaos: oh come on, how could you not find this case entertaining? |
| 19:09.48 | rivalarrival | My bad |
| 19:09.48 | Dave | A pay-as-you-go or Prepaid sim? |
| 19:09.52 | Xaos | ;-) |
| 19:09.54 | Dave | I don't see the difference |
| 19:09.56 | doc|work | if hell existed, I'd be going there |
| 19:09.59 | garnser_ | Dave: yeah |
| 19:10.01 | rivalarrival | It wasn't manslaughter, it was murder |
| 19:10.02 | Dave | I do |
| 19:10.08 | SpeedEvil | 'On Monday, 7 July 2008, Reiser led police to what is believed to be the body of Nina Reiser in the Oakland hills.' |
| 19:10.09 | *** join/#openmoko slchen (n=slchen@61-64-101-232-adsl-tpe.dynamic.so-net.net.tw) |
| 19:10.09 | Dave | Though they use the same network... |
| 19:10.11 | SpeedEvil | Oh well. |
| 19:10.14 | Chocky | doc|work: I'll be first against the wall when the revolution comes |
| 19:10.21 | Dave | But for informational purposes yeah, I add minutes to it, etc. |
| 19:10.31 | garnser_ | Dave: I know for the 1973 the payasyougo SIM worked but not the "regular" |
| 19:10.39 | Dave | That's really strange :p |
| 19:10.39 | garnser_ | different batches |
| 19:10.43 | doc|work | Chocky: I'll ensure that |
| 19:10.45 | rivalarrival | They convicted him on 1st degree murder, and reduced the conviction to 2nd degree murder after he gave up the body. |
| 19:10.50 | doc|work | Chocky: er, forget I said that |
| 19:11.01 | garnser_ | rivalarrival: did he give up the body? |
| 19:11.13 | SpeedEvil | On Monday, 7 July 2008, Reiser led police to what is believed to be the body of Nina Reiser in the Oakland hills. |
| 19:11.19 | garnser_ | ah |
| 19:11.22 | edistar_ | I'd show the body too if I got 10 years less prison time.. |
| 19:11.24 | Dave | Was it good? |
| 19:11.38 | ab0oo | those open source hackers are so anti-social and violent... |
| 19:11.42 | rivalarrival | garnser: After being convicted on 1st degree murder, yeah. |
| 19:12.03 | Dave | blame the danes |
| 19:12.09 | rivalarrival | ab0oo: Oh yeah, And we know where you live. :-) |
| 19:12.17 | Dave | haha |
| 19:12.33 | ab0oo | I keep waiting for someone to actually post their tracking number on the wiki. |
| 19:12.48 | kd8ikt | you gonna show up and steal it? |
| 19:13.04 | Chocky | ab0oo: a few have |
| 19:13.05 | ab0oo | although, if one is smart, one could use the same database to find out exactly where kd8ikt and I live. |
| 19:13.09 | ieatlint | well, it doesn't definitely translate to 10 years less prison |
| 19:13.09 | Dave | haha |
| 19:13.18 | ab0oo | (not that we live together, just found in the same DB) |
| 19:13.22 | ieatlint | the min sentence for 2nd degree is 15, but the max is life |
| 19:13.24 | *** join/#openmoko fsteinel (n=fsteinel@pD9FBC047.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:13.26 | Dave | fuck that, just jack the truck :p |
| 19:13.30 | ieatlint | (1st is 25-life) |
| 19:13.34 | kd8ikt | check the fcc dbase for kd8ikt and you get my address |
| 19:13.47 | kd8ikt | but i'm not having it shipped here |
| 19:13.54 | Chocky | Dave: too many trucks :p |
| 19:13.56 | ab0oo | I wasn't going to be quite so obvious, kd8ikt... |
| 19:13.57 | Dave | kd8ikt, are you luring small children? |
| 19:14.01 | rivalarrival | google his handle, and you'll get enough info to steal his ID. That's why I stopped using my callsign |
| 19:14.01 | ieatlint | however, 1st degree means you can't get parole, 2nd can be paroled (it will specify in the sentencing) |
| 19:14.05 | Dave | or having them shipped overseas? |
| 19:14.06 | *** join/#openmoko slchen (n=slchen@61-64-101-232-adsl-tpe.dynamic.so-net.net.tw) |
| 19:14.10 | kd8ikt | i'm driving across state to pick it up from the group sales guy |
| 19:14.20 | Chocky | that doesn't sound cheap |
| 19:14.25 | Dave | Qwell wanted one... |
| 19:14.29 | kd8ikt | its only like 2hr drive |
| 19:14.33 | ab0oo | my callsign looks so unlike a callsign, even other licensee's don't recognize it |
| 19:14.34 | kd8ikt | at most |
| 19:14.34 | Qwell | huh? |
| 19:14.43 | Chocky | still $50 in gas |
| 19:14.49 | rivalarrival | ab0oo: Dude, that's a callsign? |
| 19:15.01 | ab0oo | <facepalm> |
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| 19:15.36 | kd8ikt | your right john it doesnt |
| 19:15.47 | ab0oo | and there you have it. |
| 19:15.51 | Qwell | <- callsign |
| 19:16.00 | nuclear_eclipse | <- nick |
| 19:16.04 | rivalarrival | Qwell: Fail |
| 19:16.08 | kd8ikt | #hamradio |
| 19:16.22 | Dave | :D |
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| 19:16.44 | ab0oo | the best part is it's just a sequential call, not a vaity call. |
| 19:16.50 | nuclear_eclipse | food time, later all, thanks for the help |
| 19:16.55 | kd8ikt | thats pimp |
| 19:16.56 | rivalarrival | ab0oo: Bullshit. Seriously? |
| 19:17.39 | ab0oo | the funniest part is that, in KS (where the call was issued), I got a ham license plate with AB0OO, with a slash in the zero to make it look like a zero. |
| 19:18.09 | rivalarrival | I always wanted to get a vanity plate: 00o0ooo0 |
| 19:18.10 | ab0oo | when I moved to GA, I found out they don't differentiate between zero and "oh" on license plates, so my license plate says "AB000" |
| 19:18.22 | KrisAbsinthe_ | lol |
| 19:18.28 | ab0oo | we saw one today at lunch that said "OMG WTF", no shit |
| 19:18.29 | Chocky | l0l |
| 19:18.34 | Dave | ab0oo: your nick kind of sucks, anyway |
| 19:18.47 | Dave | Mocky |
| 19:18.47 | Chocky | ORLY |
| 19:18.54 | Dave | apt nickometer ab0oo |
| 19:18.59 | Dave | huhu |
| 19:19.04 | wastrel | a boo boo |
| 19:19.05 | paroneayea | apt nickometer paroneayea |
| 19:19.12 | paroneayea | that's totally untrue |
| 19:19.13 | rivalarrival | ~nickometer Dave |
| 19:19.17 | paroneayea | I have the lamest of names |
| 19:19.22 | Dave | Hardly. |
| 19:19.29 | ab0oo | how do you calculate lame? |
| 19:19.35 | Dave | stupid shit in a nick |
| 19:19.36 | Qwell | ab0oo: bot voodoo |
| 19:19.44 | Dave | botsnack |
| 19:19.49 | KrisAbsinthe_ | ~nickometer KrisAbsinthe |
| 19:19.55 | mmontour | apt nickometer apt |
| 19:20.03 | Dave | apt be apt |
| 19:20.12 | Dave | aww |
| 19:20.16 | *** part/#openmoko tedo (n=cta@HSI-KBW-091-089-007-141.hsi2.kabelbw.de) |
| 19:20.20 | rivalarrival | apt nickometer 1337_H@xxor$ |
| 19:20.25 | Qwell | ~botabuse |
| 19:20.26 | apt | botabuse is probably fun |
| 19:20.51 | Dave | bqs |
| 19:21.04 | Chocky | ~apt |
| 19:21.05 | apt | apt is, like, not as cool as jbot |
| 19:21.06 | *** join/#openmoko clare (n=clare@104.112.96.58.exetel.com.au) |
| 19:21.10 | Chocky | ~jbot |
| 19:21.10 | apt | rumour has it, jbot is a hack!, or known to have only said one useful thing. a tool, or dating the fembots, or [TK]D-Fender's b*tch, or suck, or a pain in the ass |
| 19:21.20 | Chocky | ~ass |
| 19:21.21 | apt | somebody said ass was what you have to get a piece of |
| 19:21.24 | SpeedEvil | ~reiser |
| 19:21.24 | apt | somebody said reiser was filed in my brain under "reiserfs". http://boudicca.tux.org/hypermail/linux-kernel/2001week19/0069.html |
| 19:21.31 | Chocky | ~moose |
| 19:21.31 | apt | i heard moose is elg |
| 19:21.34 | Chocky | ~~ |
| 19:21.34 | apt | Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. |
| 19:21.38 | Chocky | ~~~ |
| 19:22.01 | wastrel | sometimes bots reply to commands |
| 19:22.50 | *** join/#openmoko wolog (n=wolog@AOrleans-152-1-13-201.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:22.53 | SpeedEvil | ~iphone |
| 19:22.54 | apt | iSmoke, b*tch! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg1ckCkm8YI |
| 19:22.57 | rivalarrival | irc.foonetic.net #bots - we had some Markov bots in there for awhile - anytime you try to teach a bot, the markov bots would "help" you |
| 19:24.19 | KrisAbsinthe_ | ~Microsoft |
| 19:24.20 | apt | "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuum cleaners." |
| 19:24.33 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: hah, I'd love to see them try that on a freerunner and have the freerunner choke |
| 19:24.35 | rivalarrival | HAHAHAHA!!! |
| 19:24.39 | doc|work | er, the blender choke |
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| 19:25.00 | Dave | Windows broken, please use door. |
| 19:25.14 | Chocky | for a better vista? |
| 19:25.55 | rivalarrival | They say that if you play a Vista DVD backwards, you hear satanic messages. That's nothing. Play it forward, and it tries to install Vista. |
| 19:26.13 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 19:26.19 | edistar_ | :D |
| 19:26.25 | doc|work | I love the grin on his face |
| 19:26.29 | kd8ikt | ~vista |
| 19:26.30 | paroneayea | when I read blender + freerunner, I got excited for a second that someone had made a freerunner friendly build of blender |
| 19:26.31 | doc|work | as he blends |
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| 19:26.40 | doc|work | paroneayea: give it time :) |
| 19:26.44 | Qwell | does the FR blend? |
| 19:26.56 | doc|work | Qwell: don't even think about it! |
| 19:27.03 | doc|work | waste of a good freerunner |
| 19:27.05 | rivalarrival | The fucker who blends an FR dies in his sleep! |
| 19:27.16 | Dave | :o |
| 19:27.23 | Dave | I may fully disassemble one |
| 19:27.25 | edistar_ | paroneayea: have you tried blender on the FR? |
| 19:27.33 | SpeedEvil | Remember to do it before the warranty expires. |
| 19:27.37 | doc|work | I actully was kinda sickened by that iphone blending, it's kinda a waste. It's nice hardware, even if it's locked down. |
| 19:27.43 | SpeedEvil | And return it in a baggie, saying Fault: Blends. |
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| 19:27.53 | Chocky | yeah, me too, but because of the chemicals and such. |
| 19:28.07 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: hahah |
| 19:28.11 | Dave | What exactly are you doing to it? |
| 19:29.00 | paroneayea | edistar_: no... I'm sure you could get it to compile somehow, but the problem is that blender is very 3 button mouse + keyboard centric |
| 19:29.07 | Chocky | rivalarrival: why, are they making no more? ;-) |
| 19:29.11 | paroneayea | I don't think the freerunner would be very fun to use with it, input wise. |
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| 19:29.20 | edistar_ | paroneayea: true again.. |
| 19:29.44 | paroneayea | then again there's a lot of work being done in blender to make the next big release much more customizable |
| 19:29.52 | Dave | MORE GAMES |
| 19:29.54 | Dave | MORE VIDEO |
| 19:29.57 | Dave | MORE FREERUNNER! |
| 19:29.59 | paroneayea | so you can really uniquely map keybindings much more easily, ala emacs |
| 19:30.05 | Chocky | more beer |
| 19:30.08 | Dave | oh yeah, and making phone calls might be nice, too. |
| 19:30.12 | doc|work | more? I just want the one I've paid for :) |
| 19:30.13 | Dave | Chocky, you have enough, thak you :p |
| 19:30.15 | Dave | thank |
| 19:30.18 | paroneayea | MORE UPTIME! ;) |
| 19:30.19 | Dave | heh doc |
| 19:30.23 | Dave | NO NO |
| 19:30.24 | Chocky | yes, but I haven't drunk it yet |
| 19:30.31 | Dave | uptime is the last thing it needs |
| 19:30.46 | doc|work | eh |
| 19:30.49 | doc|work | *heh |
| 19:30.50 | rivalarrival | Anybody play with wii remotes for other than their intended uses? |
| 19:30.52 | paroneayea | doesn't need more battery life uptime? |
| 19:30.56 | paroneayea | it did last time I used it |
| 19:30.56 | kd8ikt | lol blendtec is awesome |
| 19:31.06 | SpeedEvil | rivalarrival: pictures on the internet say yes. |
| 19:31.14 | Chocky | yes, but use of "lol" is not aweseom, kthanxbyte |
| 19:31.19 | Chocky | nor awesome |
| 19:31.24 | Dave | anyone made a friimote out of it? |
| 19:31.45 | Chocky | yes, but can you make phone calls on it? |
| 19:32.30 | Dave | That is the question! |
| 19:33.06 | rivalarrival | SpeedEvil: I was wondering if anyone in here had played with them. Lotsa hardware in that little device - I had one setup as a mouse for awhile. |
| 19:33.15 | cb22 | MOAR! |
| 19:33.21 | SpeedEvil | rivalarrival: I buy the bits directly :) |
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| 19:34.00 | rivalarrival | SpeedEvil: Yeah, but that takes all the fun out of it. :-) |
| 19:34.01 | Chocky | btw, 10 pack came in two boxes. I guess one is the extras |
| 19:34.04 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: you should check out johnny lee |
| 19:34.19 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: Seen some of the stuff he did. |
| 19:34.33 | SpeedEvil | rivalarrival: plus - I'm trying to build a 1Kg UAV, that can hit 2Km altitude. |
| 19:34.36 | rivalarrival | the whiteboard and the pseudo 3D display |
| 19:34.52 | SpeedEvil | rivalarrival: wiimote won't cut it. |
| 19:35.25 | rivalarrival | SpeedEvil: We used to call them "RC Models" |
| 19:35.34 | Chocky | laffs. |
| 19:35.38 | SpeedEvil | rivalarrival: not quite. |
| 19:35.48 | ozzloy | what's UAV? |
| 19:35.53 | Chocky | laffs more. |
| 19:35.58 | rivalarrival | It's an over-glorified RC Model. |
| 19:36.05 | edistar_ | SpeedEvil: wow, do you have any docs/website? |
| 19:36.09 | Chocky | with military implications |
| 19:36.25 | rivalarrival | Basically, a camera. |
| 19:36.52 | SpeedEvil | rivalarrival: 1Kg, ascends to 2-4Km in 3 minutes or so, takes 100MP panorama, lands automatically back on base-station, you fold up suitcase, place back in car, and plug it into charger, and it is ready to go again in 15 mins. |
| 19:36.52 | Chocky | what are you going to be doing at 2000 meters? |
| 19:36.56 | Chocky | I see. |
| 19:36.59 | ozzloy | rc planes, military style |
| 19:37.02 | ozzloy | icic |
| 19:37.16 | edistar_ | SpeedEvil: what kind of UAV? balloon? |
| 19:37.22 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: 100MP? Using several cameras? |
| 19:37.28 | rivalarrival | SpeedEvil: Yeah, everything but the "100MP" has been done. |
| 19:37.32 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: no - one and stitching. |
| 19:37.40 | abraxa_ | ah ok |
| 19:37.44 | SpeedEvil | rivalarrival: not at the low, low price point of ~$1000 |
| 19:37.52 | Chocky | and then a huge TV to view it on |
| 19:37.54 | mwester | paparazzi - the next generation. |
| 19:37.55 | rivalarrival | Ok, NOW you've piqued my interest. :-) |
| 19:37.55 | SpeedEvil | rivalarrival: and nearly no user skill needed. |
| 19:38.11 | edistar_ | SpeedEvil: what do you use? a plane? |
| 19:38.28 | SpeedEvil | edistar_: http://www.mauve.plus.com/test.png - a render of it overhead |
| 19:38.37 | ozzloy | actually it's a very tiny camera attached to the front of a bullet. |
| 19:38.38 | SpeedEvil | edistar_: thrust vectored helicopter. |
| 19:38.51 | rivalarrival | Ok, you lost me again. |
| 19:38.58 | edistar_ | SpeedEvil: okey :) |
| 19:39.10 | Chocky | and what does freerunner have to do with this? |
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| 19:39.14 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: I want one of those! |
| 19:39.20 | SpeedEvil | Chocky: it may use the same CPU. |
| 19:39.24 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: how much are you looking at per unit? |
| 19:39.25 | Chocky | pfft |
| 19:39.37 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: of the order of $1000 minimum. |
| 19:39.53 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: I'm unsure of the pricing really. |
| 19:40.01 | rivalarrival | You're probably aware of it, but did you know that most fixed wing aircraft fly using a different aerodynamic principal than helicopters? The F117 and the A-10 use the same principal as the helicopters too... |
| 19:40.18 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: interesting. where can I find your manifesto? |
| 19:40.46 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: I'd be interested in making one of those. |
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| 19:40.47 | Chocky | http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/10/its-iphone-3g-tear-down-time/ |
| 19:41.16 | rivalarrival | Most aircraft rely on a concept called Bernoulli's principal that basically says faster moving air is at a lower pressure than slower moving air. |
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| 19:41.30 | rivalarrival | But helicopters don't use this - |
| 19:42.05 | doc|work | what do they use? |
| 19:42.19 | rivalarrival | Helicopters (and F117, and A-10) don't really fly - they are so ungodly ugly that the earth actually repels them into the air. |
| 19:42.22 | doc|work | I thought they did, just rotationally |
| 19:42.27 | doc|work | hahaha |
| 19:42.35 | doc|work | I always liked the a-10 |
| 19:42.40 | doc|work | just because it was so ugly |
| 19:42.43 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: it's horribly complex - the prototype has about 40 sensors. |
| 19:42.51 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: ouch |
| 19:43.13 | Chocky | looks at the sad ppl queing for iPhone |
| 19:43.46 | rivalarrival | SpeedEvil: How about a blimp? |
| 19:43.53 | Chocky | http://live.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/iPhone3G |
| 19:44.11 | rivalarrival | much less complex, you could get it flying with about 4 sensors. |
| 19:44.34 | doc|work | Chocky: why do you keep linking to iphone stuff? |
| 19:44.38 | doc|work | smells a spy |
| 19:44.42 | Chocky | I can't help it |
| 19:44.44 | doc|work | you haven't bought a freerunner at all! :) |
| 19:44.46 | SpeedEvil | rivalarrival: the aim is not to make it easy, but to make it easy to use dor the end user. |
| 19:44.55 | SpeedEvil | for |
| 19:45.10 | linuxxr | oooo noooos our first channel kickee? |
| 19:45.14 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: why so many sensors, wouldn't you just need a gyro and a couple of accelerometers? |
| 19:45.19 | linuxxr | lolol |
| 19:45.23 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.06 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: gyros (3), accellerometers (3), magnetometer(3), barometer(6), thermal IR sensor(6), GPS, ... |
| 19:46.07 | linuxxr | im afraid for my phone |
| 19:46.15 | linuxxr | machine |
| 19:46.19 | doc|work | o.O |
| 19:46.25 | doc|work | why so many? |
| 19:46.27 | rivalarrival | SpeedEvil: What's the IR sensors for? |
| 19:46.36 | SpeedEvil | rivalarrival: sky is cold, ground is hot |
| 19:46.56 | doc|work | I can understand a gyro, 2 accelerometers, barometer,gps and thermal sensor |
| 19:47.17 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: multiple barometers are to measure relative wind. |
| 19:47.50 | sitwon | only 3 accellerometers? not 4? |
| 19:48.02 | doc|work | sitwon: for space-time? |
| 19:48.16 | retracile | guess rotation |
| 19:48.27 | SpeedEvil | retracile: that's what the gyros are for. |
| 19:48.33 | sitwon | doc|work: I don't think an accellerometer would detect changes to time or space |
| 19:48.38 | retracile | displayed his ignorance ;) |
| 19:48.45 | doc|work | sitwon: I don't think you can detect a joke :) |
| 19:48.55 | rivalarrival | But they would pick up turbulence pretty well. |
| 19:48.57 | ozzloy | lol |
| 19:49.03 | doc|work | could you not get rotation from the accelerometers? |
| 19:49.06 | LetoTo | people are still queued up at Rogers in Toronto :) |
| 19:49.09 | LetoTo | just biked past it |
| 19:49.13 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: in theory, given ideal accelerometers. |
| 19:49.21 | sitwon | I did complain to Lenovo about no 1-uping Apple w/ a 4-D accellerometer for just that purpose |
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| 19:49.27 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: real ones are far from ideal. |
| 19:49.30 | doc|work | sitwon: heh |
| 19:49.33 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: fair enough |
| 19:49.49 | SpeedEvil | The FR has 2 3 axis accelerometers, for no good reason. |
| 19:50.27 | sitwon | SpeedEvil: moar entropy? |
| 19:50.46 | ab0oo | SpeedEvil: I'm doing the same thing, but with a gumstix and no accelerometers |
| 19:51.09 | ab0oo | or gyros. I'm going to try to do it all with GPS and IR sensors |
| 19:51.11 | SpeedEvil | ab0oo: the reason this is hard is that it's a dynamically unstable platform - for performance, and I want hands-offl. |
| 19:51.27 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: is this a work thing or a hobby? |
| 19:51.37 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: hopefully work |
| 19:51.41 | ab0oo | I'm using a fixed wing pusher plane, based on an RQ-7 |
| 19:51.45 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: as in I intend to sell them. |
| 19:51.47 | doc|work | awww, was going to ask if you were documenting it :) |
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| 19:52.10 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: $40K+, and I might. |
| 19:52.15 | ab0oo | I've got it working to the point where I can drive an RC car around over 802.11g and know where I am and my groundspeed. |
| 19:52.21 | doc|work | I want to make some use of my electronics stuff from uni and that looked like a nice (albeit difficult) project |
| 19:52.25 | SpeedEvil | ab0oo: nice |
| 19:52.27 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: hah |
| 19:52.36 | SpeedEvil | abo: 802.11a is my backup link |
| 19:52.36 | Chocky | wuh hahahah |
| 19:52.40 | Chocky | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7501321.stm |
| 19:52.43 | Chocky | (sorry) |
| 19:52.47 | SpeedEvil | abo: with a moderate dish. |
| 19:52.54 | doc|work | fines Chocky his other testical |
| 19:52.57 | doc|work | *testicle |
| 19:52.57 | linuxxr | 802.11 cab service |
| 19:53.00 | Chocky | one left |
| 19:53.05 | ab0oo | I'm stuck on my I2C A2D giving me weird readings |
| 19:53.10 | rivalarrival | SpeedEvil: When it has a 400km range, let me know. |
| 19:53.20 | ab0oo | I think it's a grounding problem, but until I get it working, I'm not going to put anything in the air. |
| 19:53.28 | doc|work | rivalarrival: and a 40km camera range :) |
| 19:53.30 | ab0oo | oh, and all the software is Java. :) |
| 19:53.36 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: is it going to be open source? :) |
| 19:53.51 | ab0oo | I have a domain and some stuff set up, but it's way out of date. penguinpilot.org |
| 19:54.33 | rivalarrival | I only need a vga camera with a 10x zoom for my job. |
| 19:54.49 | SpeedEvil | rivalarrival: it's not for that - it's more aimed at people who might otherwise go and buy an ariel photo. |
| 19:54.49 | ab0oo | and it's going to get further back-burnered 'till this winter, when I don't have the distraction of actually going out and flying airplanes instead of soldering SMT pieces by hand. |
| 19:55.12 | SpeedEvil | rivalarrival: but who have no inherent interest in learning to fly things. |
| 19:55.12 | ab0oo | rivalarrival: is your job webcam porn star? |
| 19:55.21 | rivalarrival | SpeedEvil: Yeah, I need aerial photos across a 5 county area. |
| 19:56.03 | rivalarrival | ab0oo: Property inspector. Most of my work is shooting 3 pictures from the road and reporting "Yep, the house is still there - hasn't burned down" |
| 19:56.31 | doc|work | rivalarrival: you could just call the person in the house :) |
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| 19:56.41 | ab0oo | The problem with UAVs is that the FAA really doesn't like them. |
| 19:56.47 | rivalarrival | doc|work: Nope - they might lie to me. |
| 19:57.05 | SpeedEvil | ab0oo: In the UK - as I understand it - keep it under 7Kg and there are no rules. |
| 19:57.08 | doc|work | rivalarrival: if the phone still works, it's a pretty safe bet :) |
| 19:57.21 | SpeedEvil | ab0oo: I'm aiming for under 1Kg. |
| 19:57.33 | ab0oo | right now, they tolerate them in small doses, but it's only going to take one idiot to crash a 5kg UAV into a daycare playground for the general public to go ape |
| 19:57.52 | SpeedEvil | ab0oo: which is why all the sensors. |
| 19:57.53 | rivalarrival | doc|work: Yeah, these people are about to be foreclosed on... I start calling them and pissing them off, I end up with slashed tires and the house ends up with fish in the walls. |
| 19:58.05 | doc|work | rivalarrival: ah, ok |
| 19:58.37 | SpeedEvil | ab0oo: I really want to avoid a device weighing 1Kg with three-quarters of a horsepower forgetting where up is. |
| 19:58.49 | ab0oo | SpeedEvil: try flying a 6.5KG UAV over the heart of London and see how excited people get... :) |
| 19:59.03 | edistar_ | ab0oo: one should try really.. |
| 19:59.15 | jakob__ | can anybody tell me where I can find a more detailed error or log output of an openembedded build? I am trying to build the environment using the MokoMakefile and it crashes at some point giving me the following message: http://nopaste.info/027369b8e2.html |
| 19:59.16 | rivalarrival | Funny, it looks just like a clay pigeon. |
| 19:59.33 | SpeedEvil | rivalarrival: pretty much similar shape. |
| 19:59.42 | jakob__ | the problem is I am not able to make any sense out of it. And I can't seem to find any kind of detailed log |
| 19:59.50 | rivalarrival | Does it turn into powder the same way? :-) |
| 19:59.51 | ab0oo | if I could afford to build one and lose it for good, I'd seriously consider it. After building it with parts purchased with cash, out of state, and while wearing rubber gloves and a hair net. |
| 20:00.34 | retracile | ab0oo: or build it for someone like Bruce Schneier, and have him do it, publicly. |
| 20:00.37 | rivalarrival | So, $10 to the first person running Ubuntu on their OM |
| 20:00.50 | ab0oo | I'm sure they have a cell on hot standby for him. |
| 20:01.02 | retracile | heh |
| 20:01.08 | Chocky | $20 for Debian |
| 20:01.17 | edistar_ | Chocky: debian works |
| 20:01.18 | edistar_ | :) |
| 20:01.26 | edistar_ | Chocky: I'm running it |
| 20:01.32 | Chocky | high fives |
| 20:01.37 | cb22 | Chocky: pay josch |
| 20:01.40 | Chocky | did I mention that Dave was paying? |
| 20:01.58 | ab0oo | I got a real nice look from a homeland security drone in DC last week, after I mentioned how much I enjoyed my tax dollars being spent protecting America from Americans. |
| 20:03.02 | rivalarrival | We need a constitutional amendment that eliminates pretty much the entire federal government. |
| 20:03.24 | rivalarrival | Oh wait - don't we already have one? |
| 20:03.42 | sitwon | the 2nd one? |
| 20:03.43 | Chocky | oh well, it's fitting that I get my FR on the same day as iPhone release |
| 20:03.52 | ab0oo | i'd be happy with a small list on my federal tax for allowing me to pick and chose what government services my taxes could be used for. |
| 20:03.52 | rivalarrival | No, we don't have one. |
| 20:03.54 | GoldenHawk | I'm having trouble following the instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Openmoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr and here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile It errors out during the 'make openmoko-devel-image' with: |
| 20:03.56 | GoldenHawk | | Generating include/autoconf.mk |
| 20:03.56 | GoldenHawk | | include/common.h:0: error: bad value (armv4t) for -march= switch |
| 20:03.57 | GoldenHawk | | include/common.h:0: error: bad value (armv4t) for -mtune= switch |
| 20:03.57 | GoldenHawk | | make: *** [include/autoconf.mk] Error 1 |
| 20:03.57 | GoldenHawk | | FATAL: oe_runmake failed |
| 20:03.57 | rivalarrival | We have *two* |
| 20:04.01 | GoldenHawk | NOTE: Task failed: /usr/local/openmoko/build/tmp/work/i486-angstrom-linux/u-boot-openmoko-1.3.1+svnr4297+gitb29661fc1151077776454288051bc9a488351ce8-r3/temp/log.do_compile.13600 |
| 20:04.04 | GoldenHawk | NOTE: package u-boot-openmoko-1.3.1+svnr4297+gitb29661fc1151077776454288051bc9a488351ce8-r3: task do_compile: failed |
| 20:04.04 | rivalarrival | the 9th and 10th |
| 20:04.10 | edistar_ | GoldenHawk: nopaste.org! |
| 20:04.11 | Xaos | The entire Constitution eliminates pretty much the entire Federal Government...what do you mean? |
| 20:04.15 | GoldenHawk | Hm. |
| 20:04.18 | GoldenHawk | Sorry. |
| 20:04.27 | doc|work | ab0oo: works for me! |
| 20:04.31 | doc|work | Xaos: ^ |
| 20:04.40 | Chocky | yeah, you need to use -mcpu with later GCCs |
| 20:04.51 | Chocky | IIRC |
| 20:05.01 | GoldenHawk | http://nopaste.org/p/aEEl7tyG4 |
| 20:05.30 | sitwon | rivalarrival: good luck using 9th and 10th in court... you're better off with 2nd |
| 20:05.53 | Chocky | we're talking GPL, right? |
| 20:06.13 | doc|work | yes, the GPL has the right to bear arms |
| 20:06.24 | doc|work | don't tell stallman though |
| 20:06.28 | Chocky | hm |
| 20:06.35 | Chocky | he might throw his sandal or something |
| 20:06.39 | kd8ikt | big furry bear arms |
| 20:07.01 | Chocky | and then hide behind his beard |
| 20:07.06 | *** part/#openmoko maze (n=wijnand@CAcert/Assurer/maze) |
| 20:07.06 | KrisAbsinthe_ | , |
| 20:07.07 | rivalarrival | sitwon: The amazing thing about a Democracy is that if the people believe it, it's true... We just have to push the 9th and 10th to mean what we say, and the judges will have no choice but to agree. |
| 20:07.15 | GoldenHawk | Best I can guess is the cross compiler that is downloaded by the makefile is broken. |
| 20:07.19 | GoldenHawk | Or something. |
| 20:07.35 | GoldenHawk | Is there a way to work around this? If I'm not mistaken, I don't need u-boot in order to run a test environment with Xephyr |
| 20:08.26 | sitwon | rivalarrival: two flaws in that... 1) you need people to belive it means what you say it means, and the executive branch has a strangle hold on the media. 2) The executive branch can (and has) completely disregard the judicial branch and do whatever the hell they want |
| 20:08.46 | jakob__ | no one here who has a clue about the OE environment? |
| 20:08.46 | GoldenHawk | Mmmm politics. Juicy ^.^ |
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| 20:10.25 | sitwon | also... it's not a Democracy and never has been. That was propaganda used before the Constitution was ratified to get the people to support it |
| 20:11.28 | sitwon | This country has always been founded on the principal of the wealthy few manipulating the poorer masses. |
| 20:11.43 | GoldenHawk | What are we arguing about? I want in ^.^ |
| 20:11.48 | linuxxr | just look at them now |
| 20:11.51 | doc|work | sitwon: not entirely, republic = your representatives pick the president |
| 20:11.59 | doc|work | you pick the representatives |
| 20:12.29 | doc|work | ireland still has that system, the leader of the party with the most votes is prime minister |
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| 20:12.39 | linuxxr | the banks need bailed out because there ability to sell houses multiple times has shrunk |
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| 20:13.41 | sitwon | doc|work: your vote doesn't pick the president. the electorate votes pick the president and the electorate is selected by the state officials who are voted into office by the populace |
| 20:13.47 | rivalarrival | sitwon: That's right, the people need to believe that it means what you say it means. |
| 20:14.13 | GoldenHawk | still thinks the cross compiler provided by this MokoMakefile is broken :/ http://nopaste.org/p/aEEl7tyG4 |
| 20:14.20 | GoldenHawk | isn't sure what to do. |
| 20:14.21 | bricode | You heard it here first: Koolu has phones (silly customs) and will be shipping early next weel. |
| 20:14.27 | GoldenHawk | Yay! |
| 20:14.38 | Xaos | sitwon: actually, the electoral college is chosen by each party's delegates at their state convention |
| 20:15.02 | rivalarrival | And while you are technically correct, regarding the republic-vs-democrat argument, the electors are chose because of who they have said they will vote for. |
| 20:15.09 | GoldenHawk | Early next week. That's great ^.^ All models or just the north american ones? |
| 20:15.11 | Xaos | I was at the GOP convention in Texas this year as a delegate... |
| 20:15.37 | sitwon | Xaos: still, the electoral college is selected by delegates, not directly by the people. so the popular vote is (more or less) meaning less |
| 20:15.38 | bricode | GoldenHawk: Just NA ones at first. |
| 20:15.41 | Chocky | can we return to iphone bashing yet? |
| 20:16.04 | GoldenHawk | bricode: That's cool ^.^ Just wondering. I ordered an NA one, so I'm a happy camper now ^.^ |
| 20:16.18 | sitwon | iphone sux! |
| 20:16.31 | rivalarrival | yeah, iphone blows monkey balls! |
| 20:16.39 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 20:16.43 | SpeedEvil | Iphone Sax. |
| 20:16.46 | GoldenHawk | bricode: Hey, their site wasn't very specific. Will these phones be branded with W.E.and/or will they have the tartan weave faceplates? |
| 20:16.49 | SpeedEvil | (or other phone with accellerometer) |
| 20:17.01 | SpeedEvil | The virtual sax |
| 20:17.08 | SpeedEvil | With the phone as the slide |
| 20:17.09 | rivalarrival | is going to fit his eeepc into a hamsterball |
| 20:17.21 | GoldenHawk | SpeedEvil: You mean trombone? |
| 20:17.27 | Xaos | sitwon: correct, the popular vote IS meaningless. Which is why you GET INVOLVED...BE a delegate...Government goes to those that SHOW UP! |
| 20:17.37 | Chocky | no more shouting, thanks |
| 20:17.38 | bricode | GoldenHawk: The first few batches will be branded Freerunner until sufficient volume happens. |
| 20:17.46 | Chocky | ! #politics |
| 20:17.50 | Stroller | yes |
| 20:17.50 | GoldenHawk | bricode: Okay that's fine by me too :) |
| 20:17.58 | GoldenHawk | bricode: Thanks for the info bro ^.^ |
| 20:18.01 | sitwon | Xaos: the point was not democracy, not how to affect government |
| 20:18.06 | Stroller | whups. w/w |
| 20:18.11 | bricode | GoldenHawk: You need > 500 phones to be able to silkscreen anything else, and about the same for different cases. |
| 20:18.11 | SpeedEvil | GoldenHawk: gol: oops |
| 20:18.31 | Chocky | besides, the silkworms aren't ready yet |
| 20:18.35 | bricode | GoldenHawk: It takes a lot of $$$ to front for 500+ phones. |
| 20:18.37 | sitwon | Xaos: I'm content with a broken system so long as it's just as broken as every other system of government (which it appears to be) |
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| 20:19.04 | SpeedEvil | votes for himself as benign dictator eleven billion times. |
| 20:19.08 | Chocky | bud. |
| 20:19.44 | doc|work | sitwon: I'm talking about prime minister |
| 20:19.46 | sitwon | doesn't think an effective dictator would waste time w/ elections |
| 20:20.09 | doc|work | sitwon: in Ireland, the president is pretty much just a fluff position, no real power |
| 20:20.30 | Chocky | in Soviet Russia, President is you! |
| 20:20.40 | GoldenHawk | bricode: I honestly am not a big fan of plaid. I was just curious :) Plus, if I understand the site correctly, the debian+android software isn't ready yet. So it would be kinda strange to have debian secretly encoded on my phone :p |
| 20:20.53 | doc|work | Chocky: I wish! |
| 20:20.56 | SpeedEvil | In soviet Russia, President is whoever Mr Putin wants them to be. |
| 20:21.01 | doc|work | hah |
| 20:21.23 | linuxxr | ahhhhh i aint gonna go there |
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| 20:21.43 | linuxxr | gonna stay here |
| 20:21.53 | Chocky | moo |
| 20:22.01 | sitwon | hai, canz I has presidency nao? |
| 20:22.03 | SpeedEvil | barks. |
| 20:22.20 | Chocky | dammit. is it 4pm yet? |
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| 20:22.34 | ahven | err |
| 20:22.36 | ahven | 11pm :P |
| 20:22.46 | sitwon | 4:21p |
| 20:22.51 | sitwon | EST |
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| 20:23.02 | linuxxr | wait for me device |
| 20:24.13 | ahven | interesting.. |
| 20:24.18 | ahven | no midnight commander? |
| 20:24.24 | ahven | mc is no more |
| 20:24.27 | linuxxr | harry emailed me said should recieve track # today thank you harry |
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| 20:24.49 | Dave | :D |
| 20:24.56 | Chocky | d. |
| 20:25.03 | Dave | Any Qtopia users present? |
| 20:25.11 | lpotter | me |
| 20:25.16 | Dave | Ah |
| 20:25.29 | Dave | How do I install qtopia apps on the phone conveniently? |
| 20:25.37 | Dave | or do I have to compile all of them? :| |
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| 20:25.59 | lpotter | why would you need to do that? |
| 20:26.04 | lpotter | :) |
| 20:26.21 | Dave | They off the apps as tarballs on their website |
| 20:26.27 | lpotter | i have not yet set up a feed. but there is a package manager in qtopia |
| 20:26.29 | Dave | Most of them appear to be sources |
| 20:26.39 | Dave | yeah I know, these aren't part of opkg |
| 20:26.48 | lpotter | i will set up the feed this next week |
| 20:27.07 | lpotter | opkg does not know about qpk's |
| 20:27.14 | Dave | right :p |
| 20:27.20 | Dave | guh |
| 20:27.34 | Dave | if only they had information on their website about how to install the packages they offer :P |
| 20:27.46 | lpotter | qtopia's package management has somne security features |
| 20:27.51 | Dave | oy |
| 20:28.03 | lpotter | such as not running scripts |
| 20:28.08 | Ainulindale | Does someone know if it's possible to synchronize evolution with a FR (or at least copy one's evolution directory to the fr ?) |
| 20:28.09 | Dave | -_- |
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| 20:28.16 | lpotter | and having them sandboxed |
| 20:28.31 | Dave | Anyhoo, I have a directory full of tarballs |
| 20:28.37 | Dave | someone put them on this freerunner while I'm gone :) |
| 20:29.14 | Stroller | Ainulindale: Evolution's a mail client, isn't it? |
| 20:29.33 | lpotter | Dave: just wait a few more days, and a feed will be setup |
| 20:30.09 | Ainulindale | Stroller: it's also the way contacts and all are stored on the freerunner |
| 20:30.11 | Dave | Maybe |
| 20:30.27 | Stroller | Ainulindale: umm.... is it? |
| 20:30.33 | Ainulindale | It seems |
| 20:30.42 | smurfy-phil | Ainulindale: for contacts it does not work (tested, copied the file and got an error on fr) , but you can access fr's stuff by debus like: http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts |
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| 20:31.02 | Ainulindale | Thanks, will do then |
| 20:31.26 | abraxa_ | Ainulindale: Might wanna try conduit. |
| 20:32.32 | Ainulindale | Url ? |
| 20:32.44 | abraxa_ | http://www.conduit-project.org |
| 20:32.52 | Ainulindale | Thanks |
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| 20:36.01 | ab0oo | lpotter: thanks for your explanation to Dave. I've been waiting for hours for than answer. |
| 20:36.48 | Ainulindale | abraxa_: hmmm and on the freerunner side ? |
| 20:37.05 | ab0oo | lpotter: but let's pretend I really trust Trolltech for a second, and I downloaded the qpk for Qtopie Terminal |
| 20:37.22 | abraxa_ | Ainulindale: I thought EDS would open a port or something. I have no idea myself, unfortunately |
| 20:37.23 | ab0oo | I then extract it with gunzip and tar, and get to the qterminal application. |
| 20:37.29 | carrar | heh |
| 20:37.31 | Ainulindale | abraxa_: nevermind :-) |
| 20:37.46 | ab0oo | how do I add an icon for that application in the Qtopia interface on the Freerunner? |
| 20:38.12 | Chocky | haven't we been asking this question all day? ;-) |
| 20:38.18 | ab0oo | I know that it will run, because I've run it from an ssh session... |
| 20:39.00 | ab0oo | Chocky: you know it. I'm going to be a pain in the ass until someone helps me. I realize it's obnoxious and selfish, but .... please bear with me. |
| 20:39.04 | Chocky | heh |
| 20:39.06 | lpotter | qtopia package manager can only install from a webserver/feed |
| 20:39.07 | Chocky | just checking |
| 20:39.23 | Chocky | install web server -> localhost |
| 20:39.31 | lpotter | ab0oo: you would have to add it to the db |
| 20:39.38 | ab0oo | the sqllite db? |
| 20:39.54 | lpotter | yes a localhost server works fine. that is how the sdk installs them |
| 20:39.57 | lpotter | yes |
| 20:40.29 | lpotter | like I said, I will set up a feed this week at qtopia.net for those apps... |
| 20:41.13 | kd8ikt | ab0oo: your not using the openmoko OS? |
| 20:41.17 | ab0oo | ok. I can be patient. |
| 20:41.29 | ab0oo | kd8ikt: no. |
| 20:41.31 | kd8ikt | awe |
| 20:41.43 | kd8ikt | cries inside |
| 20:41.58 | Chocky | too, at your/you're |
| 20:42.23 | ab0oo | kd8ikt: do you have a vested interested in the openmoko project? |
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| 20:43.10 | kd8ikt | we'll see this coming fri |
| 20:43.26 | ab0oo | that sufficiently vague... |
| 20:44.28 | KrisAbsinthe_ | Solar report: Neo1973 on for 1HR, Battery stable, no loss. |
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| 20:45.07 | Chocky | dammit. want to go home and get FR |
| 20:45.18 | ozzloy | has anyone used android on an openmoko in here? |
| 20:45.27 | Chocky | deja-vu |
| 20:45.31 | Chocky | no, it doesn't work |
| 20:45.32 | abraxa_ | Chocky: Would you say that if your wife would be home with a newborn? ;) |
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| 20:45.46 | Stroller | ozzloy: is that possible? |
| 20:45.52 | Chocky | abraxa_: no, it'd be the wife wanting me home |
| 20:46.09 | ozzloy | Stroller: i don't know |
| 20:46.18 | abraxa_ | Chocky: That's what I thought, hehe |
| 20:46.22 | ozzloy | i'm also curious about people's impressions of the android project |
| 20:46.22 | mjr | ~android |
| 20:46.23 | apt | android is, like, an Open Handset Alliance Project by Google or an alleged Open Source phone software stack that's really not open. http://code.google.com/android/ |
| 20:46.24 | ozzloy | in here |
| 20:46.25 | abraxa_ | Stroller: No, it's not (fortunately( |
| 20:46.32 | abraxa_ | ozzloy: We hate it. |
| 20:46.33 | Stroller | I think if you Googled it, ozzloy, you'd find it isn't |
| 20:46.46 | Stroller | Thank you, abraxa_ |
| 20:46.46 | Chocky | it sucks |
| 20:46.47 | ozzloy | ah, well then |
| 20:47.02 | mjr | apt, android is also if it's sometime actually freed, someone might port it on the neo, but the provided binaries are incompatible |
| 20:47.02 | apt | okay, mjr |
| 20:47.03 | ahven | must I add an repositorie to get mc installed? |
| 20:47.08 | ahven | on the neo1973 |
| 20:47.22 | Stroller | "Android sucks" should be in the /topic |
| 20:47.34 | Stroller | Preferably alongside "go away & don't mention it here" |
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| 20:48.01 | abraxa_ | Stroller: I dunno... people would still ask (people who ask annoying questions *never* read topics) and it would make people aware of it, which we don't want :) |
| 20:48.07 | Chocky | http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 |
| 20:48.12 | ab0oo | so, if a guy really wanted to get in on the openmoko development, FSO is probably the place to go? |
| 20:48.26 | abraxa_ | ab0oo: Depends on what you want to do. |
| 20:48.27 | Stroller | ozzloy: there was an article the other week about mobile phone stacks which concluded that Openmoko is the only free one |
| 20:48.48 | ab0oo | yeah, I've read mickey's blog entry twice, and it's still clear as mud |
| 20:49.02 | Chocky | understood it :o but I'm a long time ARM haxx0r |
| 20:49.16 | Chocky | basically, it'd need the sources to be available |
| 20:49.34 | leinir | ab0oo: Yes, it seems that way :) (re FSO) |
| 20:49.45 | leinir | It is, so to speak, the future :) |
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| 20:50.42 | mjr | ab0oo, if you just want to do some not-very-phone-related application, you can pretty much ignore the stack question. If more phone-related, well, yeah, seems going fso may be the most fruitful approach. |
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| 20:51.40 | ab0oo | I'm not even sure what I want to do, but what I don't want to do is spend time coding to a framework that is going to deprecate in the not-too-distant-future |
| 20:51.56 | ieatlint | what would people recommend for a stable image? the 2007.2 it comes with? |
| 20:52.34 | abraxa_ | ieatlint: Try ASU, FSO and 2007.2, then pick which works best for you :) |
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| 20:53.09 | mjr | one hears fso to be the stablest but with only primitive phone functionality and nothing more :] |
| 20:53.24 | mjr | I've stayed 2007.2 so far |
| 20:53.41 | leinir | ieatlint: number four from the list abraxa_ suggested ;) |
| 20:53.54 | ieatlint | well, i can't get wifi to work with 2007.2, and i haven't even attempted configuring pppd for gprs |
| 20:54.02 | leinir | In other words, for a phone that works right now as a phone - qtopia :) |
| 20:54.13 | ieatlint | hehe, alright |
| 20:54.23 | leinir | If you've more patience, yeah, trying out them all is likely the better idea :) |
| 20:54.52 | ab0oo | I've just gone down the "try them all" route |
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| 20:55.06 | ieatlint | not an issue of patience, but rather i got the phone like 30min ago and i have to leave somewhere soon and don't want to not have basic phone functions |
| 20:55.17 | ieatlint | later tonight i plan on doing the fun stuff |
| 20:55.18 | linuxxr | so whiche 1 ab0oo |
| 20:55.21 | leinir | Ah, right, then go with qtopia for now :) |
| 20:55.23 | ab0oo | the trolltech qtopia is by far the most polished... but it was written for the neo 1973, so has no wifi or gps functionality |
| 20:55.39 | linuxxr | dangit man |
| 20:55.43 | ieatlint | that would be the one from qtopia.net? |
| 20:55.53 | ab0oo | the FSO stack LOOKS beautifuk, but is functionally useless save for the phone. |
| 20:55.56 | ab0oo | ieatlint: yes |
| 20:56.00 | ieatlint | ok, thanks |
| 20:56.34 | ab0oo | the 2007.2 works, mostly. It's a little ugly, but it includes the ability to control the GPS and the wifi module |
| 20:56.46 | lpotter | ab0oo: wifi is working on the freerunner. except that wpa_supplicant on the system is broke |
| 20:57.02 | ab0oo | the image on the phone out of the box is fugly. |
| 20:57.11 | lpotter | ab0oo: 4.4 will have a gps exampe app. as well, there is opencitymap that runs on qtopia |
| 20:57.43 | ieatlint | hardly |
| 20:57.45 | ab0oo | lpotter: I figured as much, but I couldn't find anywhere to power up/down either the gps or the wifi card in the 4.3.x |
| 20:57.53 | ieatlint | an "on/off" toggle isn't really control |
| 20:58.19 | lpotter | Settings->Internet |
| 20:58.27 | ab0oo | it is if you can get one installed on your kid... |
| 20:58.51 | ieatlint | i don't see a settings selection |
| 20:59.03 | ieatlint | i see like the gears icon, but that just goes to an empty page |
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| 21:00.27 | ab0oo | hmm, my events daemon just went nuts, driving load average to 4+ and making response on the gui molasses slow. |
| 21:01.22 | linuxxr | sounds like a bunch of hackers have been slacking |
| 21:03.46 | ab0oo | lpotter: my bad. I didn't realize I could ADD services under the internet tab. |
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| 21:04.21 | linuxxr | the docs sure look alot better |
| 21:04.30 | ab0oo | linuxxr: which docs? |
| 21:04.35 | linuxxr | all |
| 21:04.45 | linuxxr | on the freerunner |
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| 21:05.13 | ab0oo | looks lost, so I just grin and shrug |
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| 21:05.46 | linuxxr | i hopew there are more to be had because my customers are gonna like this device |
| 21:07.06 | ieatlint | i have to say that i'm not thrilled about the included stylus... the laser is not all too useful, and causes a rattling noise when moved |
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| 21:07.36 | ab0oo | lpotter: is there a way to trigger a wifi scan from that setup page? |
| 21:07.39 | paroneayea | linuxxr: who are your customers? |
| 21:07.51 | ab0oo | found it. |
| 21:07.52 | linuxxr | computer shop stuff |
| 21:08.03 | linuxxr | those |
| 21:09.00 | paroneayea | you run an indie computer shop? I didn't know those still existed :) |
| 21:09.01 | paroneayea | where you at? |
| 21:09.17 | linuxxr | lol |
| 21:09.38 | linuxxr | not all are hackers |
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| 21:12.41 | linuxxr | wat is an indie comp shop |
| 21:13.27 | leinir | One that isn't taking it up the rear by Big Buy, Computer City, Electronic World or whatever ;) |
| 21:13.49 | linuxxr | oo |
| 21:14.08 | linuxxr | yea its just a snall shop |
| 21:14.11 | ieatlint | they still exist out here |
| 21:14.13 | lpotter | ab0oo: yes. create a new wireless config. highlight it, and select WLAN detection. I dont have a 4.3 with me here to see if its in that version |
| 21:14.13 | linuxxr | small |
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| 21:14.54 | ab0oo | lpotter: I stumbled on to it. Thank you. All of the networks here at work are WPA, so I'll wait to test it until I get home |
| 21:15.51 | ab0oo | it did detect the networks, though. |
| 21:17.52 | Ainulindale | XorA|gone: when you'll be there, I have some issues with volume on the freerunner, loud buzzing I can't seem to find the reason of, someone told me to ask you |
| 21:18.34 | nuclear_eclipse | has gcc/g++ been ported to the neo by anyone, or do I need to install a cross-compiling environment on PC? |
| 21:19.28 | abraxa_ | nuclear_eclipse: It's in the repositories, you can just opkg-install it |
| 21:19.30 | mmontour | nuclear_eclipse: you can install all of the standard development tools onto the neo (as long as you have enough disk space). |
| 21:19.49 | nuclear_eclipse | hmm, what's the package nome? I tried looking and didn't see it |
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| 21:20.35 | Ainulindale | It's pretty weird this echo/buzzing thing |
| 21:20.51 | Ainulindale | And I can't find anything on these settings, darn |
| 21:21.00 | abraxa_ | nuclear_eclipse: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/g++_4.1.2-r13_armv4t.ipk for example |
| 21:21.21 | nuclear_eclipse | ah, so not in the official Openmoko repo |
| 21:21.48 | SpeedEvil | It's not actually that slow copiling. |
| 21:21.52 | SpeedEvil | If you've got swap. |
| 21:21.59 | mmontour | Ainulindale: the audio circuits are picking up interference from the GSM radio transmitter |
| 21:22.00 | ieatlint | alright then, the qtopia image doesn't seem to work... boots, goes to just a flashing cursor, cursor freezes for 10s, then i get the gui with the home screen |
| 21:22.09 | ieatlint | then 5 seconds later it goes back to a flashing cursor indefinitely |
| 21:22.19 | abraxa_ | nuclear_eclipse: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/g++_4.1.2-r13_armv4t.ipk if it makes you happier ;) |
| 21:22.40 | nuclear_eclipse | thinks I need to update my repo list... |
| 21:22.54 | Ainulindale | mmontour: So what are we supposed to do in order to cope up with that ? |
| 21:23.54 | Ainulindale | Because as long as I lower Mono, it seems to go fine but as mentioned in a bug, it lowers my voice volume too |
| 21:24.01 | ab0oo | ieatlint: there's a wiki entry, or something else (mailing list entry) about that very problem |
| 21:25.14 | mmontour | Ainulindale: there's not much you can do apart from tweaking the mixer settings. Maybe use a bluetooth headset. |
| 21:25.26 | ab0oo | Ainulindale: I'm getting the same complaints from people that call me. |
| 21:25.52 | Ainulindale | mmontour: Errrrr.... So it's an unsolvable hardware problem ? |
| 21:25.58 | ab0oo | it seems I can alter the feedback/interference with the way I hold the phone in my hand, but IMHO this is a MUCH more serious problem than the software |
| 21:26.13 | Ainulindale | I mean, it's impossible to amplify the input voice ? |
| 21:26.13 | retracile | ab0oo: FR or 1973? |
| 21:26.18 | ab0oo | FR |
| 21:26.38 | retracile | that's not good. :( |
| 21:26.46 | mmontour | Ainulindale: Other GSM phones (e.g. my GF's Motorola Razr) have the same buzz, although not necessarily as loud as the Neo |
| 21:27.19 | ab0oo | I just ditched my razr for the FR, and it never buzzed (it was 2+ years old) |
| 21:27.29 | mmontour | Ainulindale: as far as the WM8753 is concerned, the buzzing is part of the "input voice" (i.e. the voltage coming from the microphone) |
| 21:27.47 | ab0oo | ditched= lost on the washington DC metro the day after I ordered my FR. |
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| 21:28.13 | mmontour | In theory a more sensitive microphone (more mV/dB) would help, but that's probably not practical |
| 21:28.19 | SpeedEvil | wonders where it comes fro. |
| 21:28.23 | fuzzyt | is the buzzing a problem on all the phones? |
| 21:28.31 | SpeedEvil | RFI? |
| 21:28.38 | SpeedEvil | Or noise on the power rail. |
| 21:28.56 | Ainulindale | mmontour: hmmm what is really a pain is that the echo is pretty loud |
| 21:29.02 | Ainulindale | Not so loud that we can't hear other things but loud enough to be a pain |
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| 21:29.24 | Ainulindale | And as it's time shifted, it's difficult to continue to speak |
| 21:30.13 | ieatlint | ok, yeah, the qtopia image is cool |
| 21:30.30 | ieatlint | i had to restart the "qpe" service, but once i did, works perfectly |
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| 21:31.02 | lekernel_ | hi |
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| 21:34.06 | mmontour | Ainulindale: I know. The audio-quality concerns are one of the reasons that I haven't ordered a Freerunner yet. FYI the echo issue is filed as http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267 |
| 21:34.54 | Ainulindale | Good I didn't hear about that sooner... :-/ |
| 21:35.23 | mmontour | The buzzing also depends on how far you are from the GSM tower (and probably depends on which band you're using). |
| 21:35.54 | Ainulindale | I think the echo is a bigger issue though |
| 21:36.01 | ab0oo | I can corraborate that. the more "bars" (better signal strength), the less buzzing |
| 21:36.08 | ab0oo | Ainulindale: what image are you using |
| 21:36.16 | mmontour | I did a test where I put a metal dish over the phone while it was on a call, and then un-covered it. The buzzing got quieter as the GSM chip stepped down the Tx power level (measured on a microwave-oven leakage tester next to the phone) |
| 21:36.31 | Ainulindale | Standard plus opkg upgrade |
| 21:36.58 | ab0oo | having played with all of the images, the only one I noticed the echo on was the std image. |
| 21:37.29 | ab0oo | i.e. the first calls I made as soon as I got the phone had echo. After I flashed the phone (5 or 6 times) the echo disappeared |
| 21:38.00 | Ainulindale | Which one are you using now ? |
| 21:38.01 | ab0oo | that tells me it can be "fixed" with appropriate mixer settings. or at least mitigated. |
| 21:38.06 | ab0oo | qtopia.net |
| 21:38.20 | Ainulindale | Hmmm too graphical for me :-P |
| 21:39.16 | mmontour | echo can be mitigated with mixer settings, but doing so will also affect the loudness of the intended audio signals. There's no control that adjusts only the echo. |
| 21:39.27 | ab0oo | yeah, I'm a real sucker for eye candy. If I could run compiz on the FR, I would. |
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| 21:40.04 | linuxxr | echo control |
| 21:40.06 | Ainulindale | mmontour: so the only solution seems to be echo deletion algorithm ? |
| 21:40.57 | linuxxr | not case vibration? |
| 21:40.59 | mmontour | Ainulindale: or filling the case with expanding foam to block the audio coupling from the speaker to the mic :) (note - don't do this) |
| 21:41.19 | linuxxr | thats it but why the delay? |
| 21:42.01 | Ainulindale | mmontour: Would it work with beer ? |
| 21:42.08 | linuxxr | maybe a round soft rubber mic tubu |
| 21:42.10 | Chocky | ooh, beer |
| 21:42.12 | linuxxr | tube |
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| 21:45.34 | RXShorty | Hi all |
| 21:46.10 | RXShorty | Can I ask a question about flashing your freerunner? If I run the command. It sais there are more then one usb devices... it sais something with --list |
| 21:46.34 | RXShorty | Where to do this and how to know which one is the freerunner? |
| 21:47.21 | leinir | Well... What command is telling you to use --list? :) |
| 21:48.03 | leinir | dfu-util is, yes? :) |
| 21:48.37 | leinir | So, do a dfu-util --list, and it should be fairly obvious which is used for flashing :) |
| 21:49.02 | ab0oo | RXShorty: I found that if you just re-run the command immediately, it sorts it out and works the second time |
| 21:49.10 | RXShorty | ahh |
| 21:49.11 | RXShorty | ok |
| 21:49.35 | RXShorty | And I have to start my moko in U-boot right? and have to select: set console to USB |
| 21:49.45 | ab0oo | I've also found that if you snort vodka, all it does it hurt your sinuses, so you might not want to try everything I try. |
| 21:49.46 | edistar | RXShorty: don't select anything |
| 21:49.52 | RXShorty | ok |
| 21:49.53 | RXShorty | thanks |
| 21:49.59 | leinir | No, you just start it into u-boot, and then tap the AUX button to switch (make sure it doesn't auto-boot) |
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| 21:50.13 | ab0oo | yes, just boot to u-boot mode and start the transfer |
| 21:50.26 | RXShorty | ok thanks people. Going to try it right now!! |
| 21:51.00 | RXShorty | *sigh it keeps saying it |
| 21:51.38 | edistar | RXShorty: what does dfu-util --list tell you? (nopaste.org) |
| 21:52.10 | RXShorty | Well first edistart... the wiki tells me to set a patition, I left this blank? |
| 21:52.40 | edistar | RXShorty: yes, no problem |
| 21:52.48 | RXShorty | And now it sais: More the one DFU capable USB device found |
| 21:53.01 | edistar | RXShorty: it should list several |
| 21:53.15 | RXShorty | well it sais try --list |
| 21:53.24 | leinir | RXShorty: So... do as it says :) |
| 21:53.25 | edistar | RXShorty: try it then! ./dfu-util --list |
| 21:53.34 | RXShorty | it gives 2 options |
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| 21:53.44 | edistar | RXShorty: which options? |
| 21:53.51 | leinir | One of which is something like USB device for flashing :) |
| 21:53.56 | RXShorty | sorry mean resultes |
| 21:54.07 | edistar | RXShorty: which results/ |
| 21:54.08 | edistar | ? |
| 21:54.09 | edistar | come on.. |
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| 21:54.21 | RXShorty | Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" |
| 21:54.21 | RXShorty | Found Runtime: [0x03f0:0x171d] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=3, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" |
| 21:54.26 | RXShorty | those 2 |
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| 21:54.49 | RXShorty | note there is only 1 device really attached to my system |
| 21:55.10 | leinir | Ooh... that's a bit odd... mine told me one was a device for flashing... |
| 21:55.26 | RXShorty | hmm |
| 21:55.39 | edistar | RXShorty: how did you get into uboot? power, then aux? |
| 21:55.45 | mmontour | RXShorty: 0x1d50:0x5119 is the Freerunner. The other one is probably a bluetooth adapter |
| 21:56.58 | edistar | RXShorty: try flashing again, tell dfu-util to use the first device |
| 22:00.03 | ieatlint | anyone have trouble with the qtopia image where every seems to work perfectly except i can't hear people when i call them and they can't hear me |
| 22:00.21 | ieatlint | but sound otherwise works (and if i press numbers on the FR, the other phone can hear the tones, but nothing from the mic) |
| 22:00.31 | mmontour | ieatlint: ln -s /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios /etc/alsa |
| 22:00.36 | mmontour | then restart qtopia |
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| 22:01.50 | RXShorty_ | hi all |
| 22:02.05 | RXShorty_ | sorry when my openmoko powerdup it took control of my wirless? |
| 22:03.03 | RXShorty_ | But going into U-boot is doing the following right? Hold AUX and the press power |
| 22:04.05 | ieatlint | great, that fixed it, thanks |
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| 22:06.27 | Xaos | Have a good weekend all...I'm OUT! |
| 22:06.46 | RXShorty_ | same! |
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| 22:07.24 | *** part/#openmoko Xaos (n=read@pool-71-170-53-17.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) |
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| 22:08.18 | RXShorty_ | Well flashing doesn't seem to work |
| 22:08.22 | RXShorty_ | it sais the following |
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| 22:09.03 | RXShorty_ | no such alternate setting "-R" |
| 22:10.56 | RXShorty_ | nevermind! I think I got it working :) |
| 22:12.04 | Dave | prods leinir |
| 22:12.18 | retracile | *refresh* Aww, still in San Pablo. |
| 22:12.27 | leinir | Hey, you're supposed to ask my owner for permission first, Dave ;) |
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| 22:12.57 | Sargun | Can the Freeruner tether? |
| 22:13.04 | SpeedEvil | tether? |
| 22:13.25 | Sargun | meaning your computer can use it as a modem |
| 22:13.41 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:13.54 | SpeedEvil | But I don't think anyones configured that. |
| 22:13.57 | Dave | :o |
| 22:14.02 | Dave | Leinir, and just who would that be? |
| 22:14.07 | _newbie3 | Sargun: the hardware can, the software could if someone writes that. |
| 22:14.24 | leinir | Dave: Makenshi, he is sitting in the sofa behind me :) |
| 22:14.37 | Dave | Oh, okay! |
| 22:14.39 | Sargun | Hm, should I buy a Freerunner. |
| 22:14.43 | Dave | I'll make sure to ask him next time... *rolls eyes* |
| 22:14.44 | Sargun | I don't even have GSM |
| 22:14.50 | Dave | Sargun, hah! |
| 22:14.51 | _newbie3 | But i guess it wouldn't be hard to have the freerunner work as NAT router for the gprs connection... |
| 22:14.53 | Dave | :] |
| 22:15.38 | Sargun | _newbie3, I'd like direct access to the PPP interface via BT |
| 22:15.44 | RXShorty_ | hmm my download (flash gave an error and it doesn't boot anymore... does a reflash fix this? |
| 22:15.45 | Sargun | er, (modem) serial |
| 22:16.01 | linuxxr | ooo nos |
| 22:16.14 | RXShorty_ | ? |
| 22:16.28 | mjr | Sargun, you can do it that ol' way too |
| 22:16.43 | RXShorty_ | ? |
| 22:16.46 | Sargun | mjr, how |
| 22:17.07 | mjr | if you have to ask, it's not ready for you |
| 22:17.08 | _newbie3 | Sargun: needs software writing. But you can get access to a muxed channel to the modem in software, you just need to write the bluetooth routing etc. |
| 22:17.21 | Sargun | yeah. |
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| 22:17.36 | leinir | RXShorty_: As long as you didn't try and flash U-Boot, you're perfectly safe :) Yes, a re-flash will most likely fix it :) |
| 22:17.45 | Chocky | moo |
| 22:18.05 | RXShorty_ | Thanks Leinir! |
| 22:18.10 | RXShorty_ | going to retry it |
| 22:18.32 | leinir | In general - never flash U-Boot, and you can't brick the device :) |
| 22:18.38 | Chocky | heh |
| 22:18.46 | SpeedEvil | In general, you can't brick a freerunner. |
| 22:18.52 | SpeedEvil | Unless you really, really try. |
| 22:18.59 | leinir | SpeedEvil: Well, not everybody's got easy access to a debug board :) |
| 22:19.02 | SpeedEvil | (flash u-boot 10000 times) |
| 22:19.08 | RXShorty_ | hehe thanks speedevil |
| 22:19.09 | Chocky | laffs |
| 22:19.22 | leinir | So, stay away from u-boot and you're safe, even without a debug board :) |
| 22:19.25 | SpeedEvil | You don't need a debug board - you can't alter the rescue ROM without the debug board. |
| 22:19.35 | Sargun | Its sold out. |
| 22:19.41 | SpeedEvil | Yup. |
| 22:19.55 | mmontour | SpeedEvil: unless you have one of these - http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1568 (not sure if that was a production model or an earlier prototype) |
| 22:20.01 | kd8ikt | home yet Chocky ? |
| 22:20.03 | RXShorty_ | but what can cause an error in a flash update? It error's at download |
| 22:20.05 | Chocky | not yet |
| 22:20.11 | Chocky | only 3.20pm |
| 22:20.15 | kd8ikt | counting the minutes still? |
| 22:20.17 | Chocky | goes home at 5 |
| 22:20.22 | leinir | SpeedEvil: Aah... righty then :) So, you can't actually brick it without a debug board, and even then it's a bit of a task to do :) |
| 22:20.33 | Chocky | not yet, just amusing myself here ;-) |
| 22:20.34 | abraxa_ | RXShorty_: I had such errors with a low battery |
| 22:20.40 | RXShorty_ | AHHHHHHH |
| 22:20.46 | RXShorty_ | that could cause it then |
| 22:20.51 | kd8ikt | isnt the begub board for doing bootloader etc stuff |
| 22:20.56 | RXShorty_ | the battery is kind of totally empty and running on usb powerd |
| 22:21.02 | SpeedEvil | leinir: I mean - if you write the NAND 10000 times, you can get it into a state where you corrupt block 0 of the NAND. It'd then only be bootable by holding down aux? |
| 22:21.03 | RXShorty_ | thanks abraxa |
| 22:21.24 | Chocky | I have a ATT data plan for work stuff with a PCMCIA card. can remove the sim for weekend use. trying to see if it has any voice included |
| 22:22.05 | RXShorty_ | well have to wait with flashing at the moment then :P |
| 22:22.27 | RXShorty_ | then a question for you all. Is the latest daily build any good? |
| 22:23.20 | Chocky | laffs. "Canadian Data" costs |
| 22:24.50 | Chocky | AT&T's website is stupidly confusing |
| 22:25.07 | Chocky | wtf is tethering |
| 22:26.57 | zash | Chocky: using your phone as external modem and connecting to the interwebz |
| 22:27.04 | Chocky | I see |
| 22:27.14 | Chocky | and they need to charge you extra for that. fnar. |
| 22:27.20 | RXShorty_ | :P |
| 22:27.24 | Chocky | geez, they really got you wrapped up. |
| 22:30.15 | Chocky | http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_9853884 |
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| 22:33.53 | Chocky | moo |
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| 22:34.49 | CM | Chocky: Always fun to see "normal" newspapers pick upp on Openmoko :) |
| 22:34.54 | Chocky | yeh |
| 22:35.13 | Chocky | won't matter though, will be overwhelmed with the iphone Tsunami |
| 22:35.28 | CM | For sure... |
| 22:35.30 | doc|work | Chocky: nice |
| 22:35.53 | wastrel | half my co-workers were sitting around all day with bricked iphones trying to get them to activate |
| 22:36.02 | wastrel | after upgradeing :] |
| 22:36.08 | Chocky | laffs |
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| 22:36.55 | RXShorty_ | LOL |
| 22:37.07 | emacsen | How do I force my phone to reboot? |
| 22:37.10 | emacsen | it's frozen |
| 22:37.31 | CM | emacsen: If holding the power button for 10s doesn't help |
| 22:37.31 | smurfy-phil | remove the battery, or try pressing the power but > 9 sec |
| 22:37.39 | CM | :) |
| 22:37.40 | SpeedEvil | Taka outa battery! |
| 22:37.45 | emacsen | CM, I did hold power down for 20 |
| 22:37.51 | emacsen | okay bat it is... I wanted to let it charge tho |
| 22:38.22 | mreynold | So, I don't expect official help here, but what sort of status have you guys got when you purchased the FR? I had my order crash half way through, the CC was charged, but I've received no email or follow-up information. |
| 22:38.48 | emacsen | Okay, I seriously need to flash this |
| 22:38.54 | wurp2|away | argh, don't help mreynold |
| 22:38.56 | emacsen | because the default software is pretty awful |
| 22:38.57 | wurp2|away | what an idiot |
| 22:39.18 | mreynold | wurp2|away: Just because I turned your advances down, doesn't mean I'm an idiot |
| 22:39.24 | mreynold | wurp2|away: In most people's books, that makes me smart |
| 22:39.32 | wurp2|away | :-) |
| 22:39.39 | mreynold | Yo dude |
| 22:39.50 | mreynold | I emailed sales@openmoko. I'll see if they get back to me |
| 22:40.20 | kelvie_work | mreynold: I've emailed shop@openmoko and got a response the same day last time |
| 22:40.21 | kelvie_work | to cancel my order |
| 22:40.28 | wurp2|away | What's the right response when the CC company freezes the card, but the payment to OM went through |
| 22:40.43 | wurp2|away | kelvie_work: You decided not to get one? |
| 22:40.53 | mreynold | kelvie_work: I'll email shop as well |
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| 22:41.36 | kelvie_work | wurp2|away: no, I'm very very eagerly waiting my shipping notification :p I wanted to change shipping methods |
| 22:41.38 | doc|work | kelvie_work: went for the faster delivery? |
| 22:41.42 | kelvie_work | doc|work: yep |
| 22:41.47 | doc|work | kelvie_work: you might have had it by now :) |
| 22:41.48 | kelvie_work | cause I live in Canuckistan |
| 22:42.02 | kelvie_work | ground takes.. 1-2 weeks to ship with UPS -> Canada |
| 22:42.06 | doc|work | ah, ok |
| 22:42.14 | wurp2|away | kelvie_work: ah |
| 22:42.15 | kelvie_work | even from Seattle |
| 22:42.18 | kelvie_work | it's pretty dumb |
| 22:42.19 | doc|work | sniffles |
| 22:42.24 | wurp2|away | kelvie_work: Even after hearing people bitch about theirs? |
| 22:42.26 | doc|work | wants freerunner :( |
| 22:42.33 | kelvie_work | wurp2|away: it runs emacs |
| 22:42.35 | kelvie_work | 'nuff said |
| 22:42.37 | doc|work | hahahaha |
| 22:42.54 | mreynold | Well, sheesh, if it runs emacs, it'll run Java great |
| 22:43.05 | doc|work | bwaha |
| 22:45.05 | Dave | aww |
| 22:45.07 | Dave | poor doc |
| 22:45.37 | doc|work | sniffles |
| 22:45.58 | doc|work | still last on the "where is my f*&^ng freerunner?" |
| 22:45.59 | Dave | comforts doc and offers him a juicy hamburger |
| 22:46.03 | doc|work | yey! |
| 22:46.03 | Dave | haha |
| 22:46.18 | Dave | :] |
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| 22:46.28 | bricode_ | kelvie_work: Koolu has stock and will start shipping next week. |
| 22:46.42 | doc|work | Dave: but if you take off your pants I'm outta here |
| 22:46.45 | kelvie_work | bricode_: I've already ordered :p |
| 22:46.50 | kelvie_work | I'm order #1724 |
| 22:46.52 | Dave | What? |
| 22:46.54 | kelvie_work | so mine _shoudl_ have shipped |
| 22:46.55 | bricode_ | kelvie_work: Gotcha. |
| 22:47.01 | kelvie_work | but I haven't gotten the notification :( |
| 22:47.11 | MrSkittle | Hey, are there any more 850's left in the openmoko shop? |
| 22:47.11 | doc|work | kelvie_work: the second one? |
| 22:47.13 | kelvie_work | s/dl/ld/ |
| 22:47.15 | daMaestro | gah, so does this GPS issue affect all currently shipping devices? |
| 22:47.18 | doc|work | MrSkittle: nope |
| 22:47.19 | kelvie_work | doc|work: yeah |
| 22:47.27 | doc|work | MrSkittle: resellers are the best option for now, if they have any |
| 22:47.30 | wurp2|away | Really? They sold out? |
| 22:47.40 | kelvie_work | my CC has been charged already |
| 22:47.41 | MrSkittle | are they making more? |
| 22:47.42 | kelvie_work | and yeah they're out |
| 22:47.43 | doc|work | wurp2|away: apparently |
| 22:47.49 | kelvie_work | so if I don't get mine I'd be pretty hosed |
| 22:47.50 | doc|work | MrSkittle: yes, more in transit |
| 22:47.54 | mjr | daMaestro, no |
| 22:48.01 | SpeedEvil | daMaestro: looks like a few percent? |
| 22:48.02 | wurp2|away | doc|work: I'm out of the loop, I guess |
| 22:48.08 | doc|work | wurp2|away: :) |
| 22:48.11 | MrSkittle | doc|work: When will they be selling them? |
| 22:48.18 | doc|work | MrSkittle: 25th July |
| 22:48.23 | mjr | have to try out my thingy's GPS soonish... |
| 22:48.24 | doc|work | according to the site |
| 22:48.29 | daMaestro | gah, well i'll be exercising my 15 day warranty if i get one |
| 22:48.32 | MrSkittle | ok, thanks |
| 22:48.36 | emacsen | umm... quick question |
| 22:48.40 | emacsen | I took battery out of phone |
| 22:48.43 | emacsen | and plugged it back in |
| 22:48.53 | emacsen | now it's stuck again |
| 22:49.05 | emacsen | suck in spin_lock_irqsave and |
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| 22:49.16 | emacsen | spin_unlock_irqrestore |
| 22:49.38 | emacsen | unknown_lamer: while we talked, my phone froze |
| 22:49.42 | emacsen | and taking bat out didn't help :) |
| 22:51.18 | emacsen | rebooting again |
| 22:51.24 | emacsen | reboot you son of a bitch |
| 22:51.31 | doc|work | reboots |
| 22:51.33 | doc|work | hey! |
| 22:51.36 | doc|work | :( |
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| 22:52.53 | mreynold | Man, sometimes linux is annoying. Sound capture is one of those times. I can't get anything to sample from a USB audio device. Or even the builtin mic on my laptop |
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| 22:54.30 | wurp2|away | mreynold: No one has kicked you yet? |
| 22:54.37 | juri_ | theres nothing crazy going on, like an atnt gophone ban on openmokos, is there? |
| 22:54.52 | wurp2|away | juri_: AT&T GoPhone works fine on my neo1973 |
| 22:54.57 | wurp2|away | After I got the gsm firmware update |
| 22:55.01 | mreynold | mreynold: Nope, the longer I whine, the longer I stay, apparently |
| 22:55.03 | juri_ | i've NEVER had problems with associating, after more than 3 or 4 reboots. i've been trying all day, and my device just refuses to associate. |
| 22:55.05 | rivalarrival | The T-Mobile guy I talked to was cool with the openmoko |
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| 22:55.15 | wurp2|away | mreynold: I am too linux retarded to get very far with sound capture |
| 22:55.18 | juri_ | wurp2: gsm firmware update? |
| 22:55.19 | Chocky | rivalarrival: do the dance |
| 22:55.19 | wurp2|away | Google is my friend |
| 22:56.21 | wurp2|away | juri_: Yeah, but that shouldn't be needed on a FreeRunner |
| 22:56.41 | wurp2|away | juri_: The gsm firmware version 5 or less won't support some SIMs |
| 22:57.07 | wurp2|away | juri_: It's somewhere in version 6-8 where it gets fixed, but all FRs should be higher than that |
| 22:57.09 | mreynold | wurp2|away: And I talk to myself. And yeah, you are. |
| 22:57.43 | wurp2|away | mreynold: Yeah, I was going to let that one slide. |
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| 23:05.22 | kd8ikt | wait what timezone you in Chocky ? |
| 23:07.30 | juri_ | wurp2: i'm on a neo1973. |
| 23:07.44 | juri_ | but, mine has been working, when i kick it often enough. |
| 23:07.46 | juri_ | today, nada. |
| 23:07.53 | juri_ | no SIM change, no nothing. |
| 23:10.11 | dougt | did everyone get their iphone 3g? :-) |
| 23:11.03 | mjr | nnnnno |
| 23:11.19 | SpeedEvil | dougt: yes. It comes with ASU. |
| 23:11.22 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:11.54 | dougt | right! |
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| 23:12.40 | dougt | is anyone working on an sdk for ASU? |
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| 23:15.41 | bricode | flashes a FR. |
| 23:16.05 | Ainulindale | So it will soon be brickcode :-) |
| 23:16.28 | bricode | I've already bricked and unbricked a few phones. |
| 23:16.42 | *** part/#openmoko budfive (n=asdf@cpe-76-95-115-142.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:17.19 | hari | bricode, if you unbricked them you did not really brick them *lol* |
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| 23:17.59 | bricode | hari: A debug board came in handy with some of the early revs. |
| 23:18.42 | hari | jtag? |
| 23:20.31 | bricode | hari: Yeah. Handy to stop the processor when you're putting in fresh u-boot stuff. |
| 23:22.17 | bricode | Anyone flashed the qtopia image from yesterday? |
| 23:22.34 | bricode | The aux button likes to flash. Does it do anything else? |
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| 23:23.43 | Chocky | moo |
| 23:24.45 | ab0oo | bricode: I've got yesterday's qtopia |
| 23:25.29 | bricode | ab0oo: Does it boot for you? |
| 23:25.38 | ab0oo | indeed, it does |
| 23:25.50 | bricode | ab0oo: blinky light on boot? |
| 23:25.59 | ab0oo | never looked. |
| 23:26.02 | ab0oo | sorry. |
| 23:26.24 | bricode | ab0oo: No worries. Kernel? |
| 23:26.26 | kd8ikt | dang i gotta wait an entire week till i get my phone |
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| 23:26.30 | Chocky | moo |
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| 23:26.37 | Chocky | gotta wait 90 mins |
| 23:26.53 | kd8ikt | upload some youtube vids for me ;) |
| 23:27.05 | Chocky | using the camera on the phone? oh.. wait. |
| 23:27.05 | ab0oo | no worries I've found. It's not as intuitive as I thought it would be, but lorn has been working with/for us |
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| 23:27.21 | hari | which image is recommended for the neo? |
| 23:27.30 | bricode | ab0oo: Cool. Thanks. |
| 23:28.45 | ab0oo | np. I'm off to go play with it some more. lorn is planning on setting up a feed server so we can get updates and more software (terminal, mixer) from trolltech |
| 23:28.46 | doc|work | http://tinyurl.com/6j328s |
| 23:28.49 | doc|work | ^ off-topic |
| 23:29.03 | Chocky | oh dear |
| 23:29.04 | Chocky | how sad |
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| 23:29.23 | ab0oo | oh my. |
| 23:29.26 | ab0oo | that's just mean. |
| 23:29.30 | doc|work | hehe |
| 23:29.40 | Chocky | I prefer to use an OS that's in development, however |
| 23:29.44 | Ainulindale | wget http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/openmoko-mediaplayer-theme.tar.bz2 |
| 23:29.47 | kd8ikt | is it a rickroll? |
| 23:29.49 | doc|work | by the way, there's probably a law somewhere that says you are all now haxors! |
| 23:29.49 | Ainulindale | Woops ! |
| 23:29.54 | doc|work | kd8ikt: nope |
| 23:30.06 | Chocky | doc|home: I was already, don't worry |
| 23:30.12 | doc|work | heh |
| 23:30.13 | ab0oo | no, but I do need to be more careful about clicking on random links in irc channels |
| 23:30.23 | ab0oo | bbiab |
| 23:30.25 | doc|work | ab0oo: not in this case |
| 23:30.47 | kd8ikt | heh thats leet |
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| 23:31.31 | kd8ikt | XSS |
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| 23:31.41 | Chocky | http://tinyurl.com/6xdj84 |
| 23:32.48 | kd8ikt | ugh oh just tested that on my lil servers wiki and it works |
| 23:32.50 | RXShorty_ | ok goys |
| 23:32.51 | RXShorty_ | guys |
| 23:32.54 | RXShorty_ | question |
| 23:33.03 | RXShorty_ | Everytime my moko gives an error with flashing |
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| 23:33.20 | BBishop | I'd still like the wifi to be a aircrack-ng supported one .. |
| 23:33.31 | RXShorty_ | It gives the error: dfu_download error -110 |
| 23:33.41 | RXShorty_ | no matter what image I use.\ |
| 23:33.58 | abraxa_ | RXShorty_: Using NOR or NAND u-boot? |
| 23:34.12 | RXShorty_ | NOR |
| 23:34.20 | RXShorty_ | Holding AUX and then press Power |
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| 23:34.55 | RXShorty_ | that's correct right? |
| 23:34.55 | abraxa_ | RXShorty_: Ah. Hm. Tried NAND yet, even if it shouldn't make a difference? |
| 23:35.09 | bricode | Check out http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util under Troubleshooting issues. |
| 23:35.22 | bricode | Make sure you're writing to -a rootfs |
| 23:35.24 | RXShorty_ | no not yet... going to try right now. I will check it bricode thanks |
| 23:36.03 | bricode | RXShorty_: otherwise you'll have to reset your partition map, and that's a little more involved. |
| 23:36.13 | RXShorty_ | ahh bricode |
| 23:36.17 | RXShorty_ | I know what the problem is. |
| 23:36.22 | RXShorty_ | I am writing to kernel |
| 23:36.35 | bricode | RXShorty_: it'll get you every time ;) |
| 23:36.55 | RXShorty_ | but how can I write it to my Micro SD-card? |
| 23:36.55 | RXShorty_ | I mean, how do I know which partition it is? |
| 23:37.06 | RXShorty_ | Yeah :) |
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| 23:38.03 | bricode | RXShorty_: do you have an SD adaptor? |
| 23:38.14 | RXShorty_ | yups! :) |
| 23:38.29 | RXShorty_ | ahhh have to mount it and put the SDA number in it? |
| 23:38.34 | bricode | RXShorty_: If you drop the kernel image and filesystem image on it, it should work. |
| 23:38.41 | bricode | RXShorty_: Hold on, I'm looking for directions. |
| 23:39.03 | RXShorty_ | Ok Thanks very much! I will update the wiki if we found a solution |
| 23:40.45 | RXShorty_ | copied the files to the micro card |
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| 23:41.04 | bricode | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card |
| 23:41.26 | Ainulindale | Is suspend supposed to work on 2007.2 ? |
| 23:41.57 | RXShorty_ | i am going to check it out bricode |
| 23:42.01 | RXShorty_ | :) |
| 23:47.11 | Ainulindale | mickey|sofa: when you'll d available, could you tell me if ogsmd would be installable on 2007.2 ? |
| 23:50.07 | RXShorty_ | Guys... I am going to try it tomorrow thanks! I will update you. Thanks Abraxa and Bricode |
| 23:50.15 | RXShorty_ | Night! |
| 23:50.20 | abraxa_ | Good night |
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| 23:54.33 | mickey|sofa | Ainulindale: Sure thing. It will compete with the gsmd and suck in some dependencies (python et. al), but it should install fine. |
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| 23:55.50 | Chocky | off home, to my FR |
| 23:56.13 | Ainulindale | mickey|sofa: I was intending to kill gsmd and use my wrapper in order to test it |
| 23:56.27 | Ainulindale | Because I don't feel comfortable with flashing my neo with FSO right now |
| 23:56.33 | Ainulindale | I kinda need my contacts :-) |
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| 23:56.51 | mickey|sofa | right. that should work once you kill gsmd and install all the dependencies for frameworkd |
| 23:56.52 | Ainulindale | mickey|sofa: Well, how should I install it then ? |
| 23:57.02 | mickey|sofa | preferably from a feed |
| 23:57.07 | mickey|sofa | so that all dependencies get installed |
| 23:57.12 | mickey|sofa | so build yourself a feed |
| 23:57.16 | mickey|sofa | and add it to your ipkg conf |
| 23:57.22 | mickey|sofa | and then 'opkg install frameworkd' |
| 23:57.52 | mickey|sofa | (alternatively scp all packages manually, but there maybe 15 or so) |
| 23:59.02 | Ainulindale | build myself a feed, hmm, yeah, hmmm |
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| 23:59.10 | Ainulindale | Could you make yourself clearer ? :-) |
| 23:59.17 | mickey|sofa | e.g. |
| 23:59.19 | mickey|sofa | bitbake frameworkd |
| 23:59.21 | mickey|sofa | bitbake ipkg-make-index |
| 23:59.26 | mickey|sofa | then you have a feed |
| 23:59.37 | mickey|sofa | in tmp/deploy/glibc/ipkg/ |
| 23:59.47 | mickey|sofa | once you make this available to your neo |
| 23:59.49 | mickey|sofa | you can install packages |
