| 00:00.08 | mwester | OMmoney? |
| 00:00.12 | doc|work | johngay: you could port gnumeric :) |
| 00:00.19 | doc|work | it's working on the n800 afaik |
| 00:00.25 | johngay | Then I'll port my OpenGL Rubiks cube. |
| 00:00.36 | doc|work | for hours of frustration! |
| 00:00.37 | doc|work | :) |
| 00:00.38 | johngay | Don't want anything that complicated. |
| 00:00.39 | kd8ikt | sweet with touchscreen functionality |
| 00:01.03 | mwester | Or use the accelerometers to try to "jiggle" the cube into place. |
| 00:01.26 | doc|work | damn you, I was just about to say something similar. Use it to rotate the cube view |
| 00:01.37 | johngay | Basically, you open "Accounts", and it gives you a list of your accounts and the option to create a new one. |
| 00:01.46 | kelvie_work | with too adventurous accelerometer games, we'll need a wrist strap on the thing |
| 00:01.54 | kelvie_work | and a warning on every single app telling people to put it on |
| 00:01.59 | mwester | Hence the hole! |
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| 00:02.07 | kelvie_work | yep, hardware designers were thinking ahead |
| 00:02.25 | isprins | kd8ikt it is a pure electromechanical device |
| 00:02.46 | johngay | You select an account and it shows you the current total. Then use the phone-type keypad to enter in the transaction, but you have 'Debit' and 'Credit' where the # and * keys should be. |
| 00:03.10 | doc|work | johngay: password protected I hope :/ |
| 00:03.39 | johngay | Sure, just use your ATM pin (= |
| 00:03.47 | Dave | apt, rumor has it, doc is not a real doctor. |
| 00:03.47 | apt | Dave: what are you talking about? |
| 00:03.51 | ab0oo | is there a way to get a different keypad other than that horrible 1-9 abc def ghi style input? |
| 00:03.54 | Dave | pretty much :P |
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| 00:04.13 | Dave | ab0oo: are you referring to the multitap-pad? |
| 00:04.22 | doc|work | last thing I need is to leave my phone in the cafe and have the cute girl there see that I spent lots fo money in a place called "Does your mother know?" which is a magazine store here which, surprisingly, sells very little porn relative to the rest of its selection. |
| 00:04.27 | Dave | If so, then there is the highly experimental matchbox-keyboard :p |
| 00:04.33 | ab0oo | Dave: I guess. I'm running 2007.2. |
| 00:04.44 | ab0oo | how do I switch to it? |
| 00:05.01 | Dave | see Switching_Keyboards on the wiki :] |
| 00:05.01 | ab0oo | what's the underlying WM for the 2007.2 image? |
| 00:05.12 | ab0oo | ah, yes, the wiki. :) |
| 00:05.26 | Dave | Yep |
| 00:05.40 | Dave | Let the wiki show you the path to enlightenment. |
| 00:05.50 | Dave | giggles |
| 00:05.56 | SpeedEvil | matchbox |
| 00:05.58 | ab0oo | I prefer Kontact to Enlightenment. |
| 00:06.02 | johngay | But what if I don't like enlightenment? |
| 00:06.07 | linuxxr | go to the light |
| 00:06.12 | Dave | try something else? |
| 00:06.18 | Dave | Burn in the flames of truth? |
| 00:06.37 | johngay | I prefer Qt |
| 00:06.39 | doc|work | then you have about 15 alternatives by the time you get your phone with the rate these things are springing up :) |
| 00:06.42 | johngay | runs and hides! |
| 00:06.44 | ab0oo | well, crap. I forced the removal, and then it couldn't find the keyboard. |
| 00:07.18 | johngay | This will be my second app for FreeRunner http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/GP2X_Rubik's_Cube |
| 00:07.43 | Dave | abooo, yep! |
| 00:07.52 | kd8ikt | bad form to put a ' in an url |
| 00:07.55 | Dave | IT's not in the main repos (nor in any others I could find) |
| 00:08.03 | Dave | I believe it was removed from wherever it originally sad |
| 00:08.06 | ab0oo | you're a mean, mean man. |
| 00:08.09 | Dave | someone said it was in Scaredy's repo |
| 00:08.11 | Dave | no, I'm not :P |
| 00:08.17 | Dave | I can up them if you want |
| 00:08.24 | isprins | doc|work: it is a bad idea to forget your cell phone on a table. What if someone decides to send the following sms to everyone on your contact list :" i wanna f*ck you op the a** ".. That happened to a freid of mine |
| 00:08.31 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:08.31 | SpeedEvil | Make it a %2E? |
| 00:08.35 | SpeedEvil | Make it a %27 even. |
| 00:08.52 | johngay | Sorry, wrong URL. http://archive.gp2x.de/cgi-bin/cfiles.cgi?0,0,0,0,25,2107 |
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| 00:10.40 | Dave | whee |
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| 00:10.45 | Dave | Joerg. |
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| 00:10.45 | kd8ikt | so sad mccaffrey.freenode :P |
| 00:10.45 | jOERG_rw | Dave: yep? |
| 00:10.46 | Dave | How goes? :) |
| 00:10.46 | Dave | Anything new or important to mention? |
| 00:10.46 | kd8ikt | i'm on ipv6 and so far i dont think it has ever split |
| 00:10.46 | Dave | Kd8ikt, congratulations. |
| 00:10.46 | jOERG_rw | nah, trying to get a free day. you see where i ended ;-) |
| 00:10.47 | kd8ikt | ;D |
| 00:10.47 | Dave | heehee |
| 00:10.47 | Dave | Joerg, so busy. |
| 00:10.52 | kd8ikt | does the openmoko kernel have ipv6 compiled in? |
| 00:10.57 | SpeedEvil | I have a neo1973 with a 28" screen. |
| 00:11.03 | Dave | hot. |
| 00:11.08 | SpeedEvil | has a huge lens. |
| 00:11.08 | jOERG_rw | ~400 mails / day. just this enough of work |
| 00:11.19 | Dave | wow :p |
| 00:11.26 | Dave | You clearly do not need more :D |
| 00:11.36 | Dave | Except maybe the occasional bugreport from us ;) |
| 00:11.46 | Dave | or courtesy fix |
| 00:12.08 | johngay | What do you think the chances are I can get IBM to cross-compile Sametime for the FreeRunner? (= |
| 00:12.29 | Dave | shrugs |
| 00:13.10 | isprins | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.13 | ab0oo | anyone know of an rdate server? |
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| 00:13.52 | mwester | You mean the software? |
| 00:13.52 | Dave | Speedevil, so is it fine or reasonable to upgrade only the kernel on some phones (the packages & modules are kept up to date). |
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| 00:15.58 | Dave | By upgrade, I meant flash :P |
| 00:19.57 | ab0oo | can opkg deal with ipkgs? |
| 00:20.50 | Dave | It's the same thing. |
| 00:21.03 | Dave | They just renamed it from ipkg to opkg to make it "cooler" |
| 00:21.05 | Dave | :P |
| 00:22.00 | ab0oo | hmm, what's the deal with the www.angstrom-distribution.org folks? |
| 00:22.02 | Dave | ROFL |
| 00:22.10 | Dave | hoenoes no more memoriez!1111 |
| 00:22.45 | Dave | xsystem: ERROR: fork failed before execution: `rm -fr /tmp/opkg-JI9srr' |
| 00:22.52 | Dave | WARNING: Unable to remove temporary directory: /tmp/opkg-JI9srr: Cannot allocate memory |
| 00:23.01 | Dave | rut roh :p |
| 00:23.05 | ab0oo | ouch. |
| 00:24.58 | kd8ikt | whats the size of the microsd card that it comes with? 256? 512 |
| 00:25.06 | ab0oo | 512 |
| 00:25.12 | kd8ikt | i need to buy one of those 8gig ones |
| 00:25.15 | Dave | :p |
| 00:25.15 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 00:25.23 | Dave | Then allocate some for memory or something |
| 00:25.28 | Dave | you're sure going to need it :D |
| 00:25.39 | Dave | that and maybe add another cpu too while you're "upgrading" things :P |
| 00:25.43 | kd8ikt | few mp3's etc |
| 00:25.47 | Dave | dual core freerunners anyone? |
| 00:26.04 | SpeedEvil | Dave: they've got 7 cores. |
| 00:26.22 | johngay | Dual core is over rated. I've got a dual core game console and it doesn't help much. |
| 00:26.25 | ab0oo | anyone ever use the ipaq "cluster" that they used to have at MIT? |
| 00:26.58 | Dave | heh |
| 00:27.04 | ab0oo | closest I ever came to multi-core ARM processors |
| 00:27.14 | Dave | johngay, of course it doesn't, because the GPU likely bottlenecks it, haha |
| 00:27.15 | kdubois | yay, my fr shipped :D |
| 00:27.17 | Dave | stupid technology |
| 00:27.21 | Dave | kdubois: hooray! |
| 00:27.32 | Dave | ab0oo: haha *shudder* |
| 00:27.40 | johngay | At work were having problems with a quad-core, quad- thread server. |
| 00:27.56 | Dave | Man, I'm so bad -- I'm always trolling the package lists for new and exciting software :p |
| 00:28.02 | johngay | That's the problem, the game console doesn't have a GPU. |
| 00:28.18 | johngay | Just a 920 and 940. |
| 00:28.50 | johngay | My game uses the 940 'as a' GPU, though. |
| 00:28.55 | Dave | o.O |
| 00:30.00 | johngay | GP2X has a dual core ARM, ab0oo |
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| 00:39.24 | Dave | ooh la la |
| 00:39.33 | johngay | Sasoon! |
| 00:40.37 | Dave | crap out of memory again -_- |
| 00:40.39 | Dave | oi |
| 00:41.26 | Dave | I find it utterly hilarious because no fj applications are running. |
| 00:41.58 | SpeedEvil | swapon /media/card/swap |
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| 00:42.24 | Dave | pretty much, right? :P |
| 00:42.59 | isprins | http://sbgswordforum.proboards70.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=5150 AUTCH! |
| 00:43.06 | Dave | Hmm? |
| 00:43.13 | Dave | more germans? |
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| 00:46.45 | Arg0nauT | has anyone on here recieved a ups tracking number yet? |
| 00:51.07 | rtm | Arg0naut: I have, for order 1367. |
| 00:52.48 | kelvie_work | aw.. I had order 1479 .. I then reordered 8 hours later and now I'm in the 1700s |
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| 00:53.31 | Arg0nauT | rtm: when did you get the email? |
| 00:54.24 | KrisAbsinthe | anyone work out a hack to extend battery life on the GTA01 |
| 00:54.31 | rtm | Arg0naut!: 8:43 PM EDT (01:43 UT). |
| 00:54.34 | ab0oo | Dave: will these work? http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?name=matchbox&arch=armv4t&action=search |
| 00:56.11 | ab0oo | is 2007.2 a ulibc or glibc build? how do I tell without sounding like a doofus on the irc channel? |
| 00:57.13 | johngay | Too late (= |
| 00:57.21 | ab0oo | worth a shot |
| 00:57.48 | ab0oo | well, there's /lib/libc-2.6.1.so, and no /lib/ulibc... so I guess I can figure that out |
| 00:58.43 | Dave | Will what work? |
| 00:59.01 | ab0oo | the matchbox-keyboard packagfes from the angstrom distro |
| 00:59.10 | Dave | oh! |
| 00:59.16 | ab0oo | can I just grab the armv4t packages and have a nice day? |
| 00:59.30 | Dave | probably, you need the inputmethod im and applet ones |
| 00:59.36 | Dave | if you can get those, you should be golden. |
| 00:59.59 | ab0oo | I'll let you know |
| 01:01.01 | Qwell | SpeedEvil: got a recent graph? |
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| 01:01.51 | SpeedEvil | Qwell: http://www.mauve.plus.com/Freerunner.gif |
| 01:01.55 | SpeedEvil | (usual caveats) |
| 01:02.43 | russellb | Qwell: ! |
| 01:03.07 | Qwell | russellb: file is peer pressuring me |
| 01:03.14 | russellb | heh |
| 01:03.20 | Dave | haha |
| 01:03.21 | russellb | join the mokoiax project :-p |
| 01:04.38 | kd8ikt | so hey theres a few open gpio's eh? |
| 01:05.01 | russellb | on the CPU? |
| 01:05.20 | kd8ikt | board stuff to add say... a thermister |
| 01:05.27 | kd8ikt | or something |
| 01:05.31 | russellb | they exposed to nice solder n00b test points? |
| 01:09.44 | Dave | thermister? a thermos used as a resistor? |
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| 01:10.47 | SirBob1701 | sweet got my tracking number |
| 01:12.01 | ab0oo | well, now I have no input at all. :) |
| 01:12.05 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: measures temp |
| 01:12.28 | Dave | I know :p |
| 01:12.35 | Dave | ab0oo: did you reboot the phone? |
| 01:12.38 | kd8ikt | he was just being a smart ass |
| 01:12.41 | ab0oo | I restarted X |
| 01:12.44 | Dave | Indeedy :p |
| 01:12.45 | ab0oo | does that count? |
| 01:12.47 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 01:12.47 | Dave | ab0oo: no |
| 01:12.51 | ab0oo | O RLY? |
| 01:12.52 | Dave | reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeboooooooooooooooooot |
| 01:12.58 | Dave | YES REALLY, MOTHERFUCKER. |
| 01:13.03 | Dave | the system has to reinit |
| 01:13.09 | kd8ikt | lolz this aint windows where a reboot fixes everything |
| 01:13.10 | ab0oo | ok, I'll reboot. Let's pretend it's a windows machine for a minute |
| 01:13.17 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 01:13.18 | Dave | haha, huhuhu |
| 01:19.01 | ieatlint | oooh... 1367 has shipped? only 92 short of my 1459... |
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| 01:19.31 | ab0oo | Dave: no love. I'm installing scaredyCat next. Perhaps that will give me more love |
| 01:19.45 | Dave | Aww |
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| 01:19.48 | Dave | Dude |
| 01:19.58 | Dave | So you're installing his packages, or flashing your image? |
| 01:20.12 | ab0oo | I'm going to flash his image |
| 01:20.23 | ab0oo | I installed the packages from the angstrom repos |
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| 01:20.46 | ab0oo | I didnt see anything in x.log about them not working, but I didn't see any thing about them working, either |
| 01:21.05 | Dave | oh :| |
| 01:21.11 | rs1 | Where can I get info I need to develop a game for this phone, I use Linux |
| 01:21.15 | rs1 | Like screen res etc |
| 01:21.16 | Dave | if you want before you flash I can send you them |
| 01:21.23 | Dave | Otherwise, go ahead and flash a different image. |
| 01:21.31 | ab0oo | what image are you using? |
| 01:21.51 | Dave | Presently? latest om-devel image |
| 01:21.56 | Dave | for gta02 |
| 01:22.01 | kd8ikt | bleh make setup craps out |
| 01:22.12 | Dave | the keyboard app was built against fso but works fine :D |
| 01:22.33 | Dave | well, as much as v.0.0a software can work :D |
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| 01:22.53 | ab0oo | so, are all of the images based on angstrom as a base distro? |
| 01:23.14 | Dave | Don't think so |
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| 01:25.42 | ab0oo | I've got quite a bit of faith in the angstrom guys that came over from simpad and openembedded |
| 01:25.51 | mwester | ab0oo: yes, Angstrom is the core, but more or less of the user-space apps are present. |
| 01:26.13 | ab0oo | mwester: that makes sense. stand on the shoulders of giants, and all that |
| 01:26.26 | ab0oo | is android based on angstrom, too? |
| 01:26.29 | mwester | Qtopia doesn't use much beyond the base OS; the other distros use things like matchbox, etc. |
| 01:26.39 | mwester | No, android is not angstrom at all. |
| 01:27.03 | ab0oo | is it a distro, or a framework? I'm not up on the mechanations of google. |
| 01:27.08 | Dave | abooo, so can I be of service, or are you going ahead? |
| 01:27.25 | ab0oo | Dave: I'm going to plow into the ScaredyCat image. |
| 01:27.27 | ab0oo | thanks for the offer. |
| 01:27.55 | ab0oo | if I wind up floundering, I'll bail back to om-gta02 and come grovelling for help |
| 01:28.31 | Dave | okay :D |
| 01:28.35 | Dave | I hear lots of good stuff from it. |
| 01:28.48 | Dave | ab0oo, haha alright, sounds good :) |
| 01:28.53 | Dave | Sure thing |
| 01:29.07 | Dave | I'm hoping to create a bunch of pseudo packages soon to be dist |
| 01:29.53 | ab0oo | have you ever distro'ed before? it's one of those things that I started on a whim, and got death threats when I stopped updating it regularly. |
| 01:30.32 | ab0oo | I ran a distro for some openWRT stuff before they moved to the new Kamikaze packaging system, and people get really irritable if I fell more than 1 minor revision behind |
| 01:31.04 | ab0oo | A repo, not a distro. |
| 01:33.57 | Dave | hah |
| 01:34.03 | Dave | picky people :p |
| 01:34.16 | ChandleWEi | when run opkg update that show "Signature check failed",where we can get more information |
| 01:36.05 | Dave | yeah it'll do that a bunch |
| 01:36.06 | Dave | just ignore it |
| 01:36.20 | Dave | it's a stupid yet to be removed issue with opkg |
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| 01:36.38 | ab0oo | thanks for the help tonight. bbl |
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| 01:44.47 | KrisAbsinthe | SpeedEvil: If I provided the GTA01 with 6.8v (through the contacts not USB) could the hardware limit it to the 3.4v? |
| 01:45.16 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: Ir could. |
| 01:45.37 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: it may also explode. |
| 01:45.45 | Dave | o_o |
| 01:45.47 | KrisAbsinthe | SpeedEvil: still trying to figure out how to get a couple days out of this battery. |
| 01:45.48 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: through what contacts? |
| 01:46.07 | Dave | Build a better battery! |
| 01:46.07 | KrisAbsinthe | the battery contacts |
| 01:46.12 | Dave | oh actually that's a great idea |
| 01:46.25 | Dave | Perhaps a bettery pack :P |
| 01:46.27 | Dave | heehee |
| 01:47.00 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: connect a large 12V battery to the USB port. |
| 01:47.00 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: using a car USB adaptor |
| 01:47.13 | Dave | hah |
| 01:48.48 | SpeedEvil | I've had my neo running from that for 24h |
| 01:48.50 | KrisAbsinthe | I have a adapter thats good for my car, Im going to HOPE and will e bumming around NYC. I know there are solar chargers, but I want something that is attached to the phone directly |
| 01:49.42 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: dealextreme.com have some 'USB batteries' that may suit. |
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| 01:52.13 | KrisAbsinthe | not a bad idea thanks |
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| 01:57.42 | Dave | :) |
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| 01:59.51 | lorentz_ | hi guys...i just bought an open moko, woo hoo |
| 02:00.21 | russellb | yay |
| 02:02.15 | kd8ikt | wonder what revision i'll end up getting |
| 02:04.10 | Ainulindale | Can someone tell me where we are supposed to put keys for svn on projects.openmoko.org ? |
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| 02:13.11 | Dave | heh |
| 02:14.28 | Ainulindale | Oh, found it. |
| 02:16.16 | Dave | oh good! |
| 02:16.32 | benlake | Dave, are you a lead dev or something |
| 02:17.24 | Dave | No, though I'm still contributing :) |
| 02:17.47 | benlake | I think you spend an unhealthy amount of time in here :P |
| 02:19.10 | alphabeat | kd8ikt: at the moment they're all gta02v5 |
| 02:19.51 | benlake | I thank you :) |
| 02:20.21 | Ainulindale | Hmpf, how long does it take for projects.openmoko.org to refresh correctly the keys ? |
| 02:20.34 | kd8ikt | ok alpha |
| 02:20.46 | ebbe | Ainulindale: About an hour |
| 02:21.17 | Ainulindale | Ok then I should get a coffee |
| 02:21.25 | Ainulindale | It's 4:20 AM here, can't sleep. |
| 02:21.44 | ebbe | Ainulindale: It's the same here :) |
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| 02:27.22 | Ainulindale | Yep but you guys are too far in the north, no wonder you can't sleep without knowing what hour of the day it is by looking at the sky :-p |
| 02:27.50 | ebbe | ;) |
| 02:27.54 | ChandleWEi | how to check my phone is gta02v5? |
| 02:27.55 | Dave | heehee |
| 02:28.16 | linuxxr | remove the battery maybe |
| 02:28.34 | ebbe | wishes for darkness |
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| 02:30.48 | linuxxr | guess not |
| 02:32.28 | SpeedEvil | ChandleWEi: did you purchase it? |
| 02:33.44 | alphabeat | ChandleWEi: have a look here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#GTA02v4 |
| 02:34.00 | alphabeat | not sure where you'd find the 'ATAG' info though. but that might help |
| 02:34.40 | alphabeat | ChandleWEi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Distinguishing_hardware_revisions |
| 02:36.25 | ChandleWEi | SpeedEvil: yes, I got it yesterday. |
| 02:36.36 | ChandleWEi | alphabeat: thx |
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| 02:36.53 | rivalarrival | What order numbers have shipped so far? |
| 02:37.59 | LetoTo | Subject: UPS Ship Notification, Tracking Number |
| 02:38.01 | LetoTo | yay :) |
| 02:38.06 | kd8ikt | patience |
| 02:38.10 | LetoTo | my order number was #1344 |
| 02:38.25 | benlake | I'm 1412, so close! |
| 02:38.43 | rivalarrival | I'm in the 1800's myself... And I just lost my cell phone today. |
| 02:39.17 | benlake | from the sound of things, you ordered a project, not a phone :P |
| 02:39.24 | mwester | you best buy a cheap one to use until the software is ready, rivalarrival |
| 02:39.45 | SirBob1701 | got my tracking a few hours ago :D |
| 02:39.52 | rivalarrival | mwester: sink or swim! :-) |
| 02:40.02 | swc|666 | SirBob1701: what order #? |
| 02:40.11 | rivalarrival | If I have to, I'll pick up a prepaid to replace it. |
| 02:40.38 | kd8ikt | so... you dont intend to help you just want to reap the rewards? |
| 02:40.58 | kd8ikt | brr thats cold |
| 02:41.08 | rivalarrival | Huh? |
| 02:41.27 | rivalarrival | kd8ikt: Were you talking to me? |
| 02:41.47 | ChandleWEi | how large microSD openmoko support? just 512mb? |
| 02:42.03 | kd8ikt | talking to anyone it applies to |
| 02:42.14 | rivalarrival | ChandleWEi: I've heard people have used 8gb 0 but can't verify. |
| 02:42.40 | rivalarrival | kd8ikt: So, your answer is "no"? |
| 02:42.43 | rivalarrival | :-) |
| 02:44.42 | alphabeat | someone yesterday told me they were using a 8GB microSDHC so "yes" i believe :D |
| 02:44.56 | alphabeat | forget who though :P |
| 02:45.02 | Dave | hides |
| 02:45.39 | alphabeat | logs tell me rtm said it |
| 02:45.50 | alphabeat | in his 1973 not a FR |
| 02:46.01 | alphabeat | sandisk to be specific |
| 02:46.09 | kd8ikt | i dont se why a FR wouldnt then |
| 02:46.13 | alphabeat | yup |
| 02:47.19 | kd8ikt | omg looking through projects.om looks like a lot of work needs to be done |
| 02:47.54 | kd8ikt | love how some1 writes "i want it to be a hamadio as well" |
| 02:47.56 | ChandleWEi | alphabeat: thx |
| 02:48.07 | kd8ikt | and it wasnt me! |
| 02:49.39 | rivalarrival | Yeah, it needs a 440 transceiver and a custom TNC |
| 02:49.54 | kd8ikt | heh hey lets throw in a kitchen sink aswell? |
| 02:50.06 | rivalarrival | or, a 440/145 dualbander |
| 02:50.19 | kd8ikt | and i thought it was thick enough already |
| 02:50.35 | rivalarrival | Basically, I want a GSM module for my eeepc. :) |
| 02:51.24 | kd8ikt | that'd be a mighty big phone |
| 02:51.41 | kd8ikt | g an eeepc upto your ear |
| 02:51.57 | kd8ikt | imagine holding an * |
| 02:52.05 | rivalarrival | Bluetooth headset. |
| 02:52.20 | ChandleWEi | where can I find usually software to install? |
| 02:52.22 | rivalarrival | note to self: add bluetooth to eeepc |
| 02:52.40 | kd8ikt | lol yeah it doesnt have that |
| 02:52.55 | kd8ikt | just freakin amazing howmuch hardware they packed into the FR |
| 02:53.49 | kd8ikt | mkaes my head spin |
| 02:54.20 | rivalarrival | http://beta.ivancover.com/wiki/index.php/Eee_PC_Internal_Upgrades |
| 02:54.56 | Dave | hrm |
| 02:54.57 | kd8ikt | yeah thats neat dropping in an extra usb bus and usb modules |
| 02:55.12 | rivalarrival | There's actually quite a bit of room left in that tiny case. |
| 02:55.15 | kd8ikt | hub/bus same diff |
| 02:55.55 | linuxxr | http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/certificate/EUNGTA02_850_1800_1900/FD7O1101_R01_15B_FIC_GTA02.pdf |
| 02:56.32 | Dave | hah, that again :P |
| 02:56.34 | mmontour | speaking of ham radio - I got my Neo to send an APRS report a couple of weeks ago (through my Icom handheld). |
| 02:56.35 | Dave | thanks linuxxr :P |
| 02:56.58 | ChandleWEi | when I type opkg list the software is too many to select ,have anyone suggest me some software to install |
| 02:57.48 | linuxxr | for the english |
| 02:58.01 | kd8ikt | ipkg list |less |
| 02:58.52 | kd8ikt | thats cool mmontour |
| 02:59.35 | Dave | :P |
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| 02:59.44 | rivalarrival | Yeah, so I need to get my ham license. Again. |
| 02:59.53 | kd8ikt | but this https://projects.openmoko.org/softwaremap/trove_list.php?form_cat=38 just makes me laugh |
| 03:00.06 | kd8ikt | i was expecting to see something like x25 or somethin |
| 03:00.11 | mmontour | there's some bug with the OSS sound driver that prevents me from receiving packets, but if that can be fixed then Winlink e-mail etc. should also be possible |
| 03:00.20 | ChandleWEi | kd8ikt: whats different with ipkg and opkg ,I can't find ipkg ,when type ipkg it show me "-sh: ipkg: not found" |
| 03:00.31 | kd8ikt | opkg then |
| 03:00.44 | kd8ikt | i didnt know i still havent gotten my moko |
| 03:02.09 | kd8ikt | myguess though opkg is a port of ipkg (itsy package manager) renamed for the moko |
| 03:02.21 | rivalarrival | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Opkg |
| 03:02.40 | kd8ikt | ;) exactly |
| 03:03.16 | kd8ikt | hey wheres the pkg repo so i can finger through it |
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| 03:04.14 | ChandleWEi | rivalarrival: thx ,It's like dpkg It's very cool |
| 03:05.19 | rivalarrival | package managers were the coolest I found in Linux. |
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| 03:07.07 | rivalarrival | So, what has the world of amateur radio brought forth in the past 6-10 years? I've been out of touch for awhile. |
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| 03:07.26 | kd8ikt | a lot of QRM |
| 03:07.48 | kd8ikt | and monies traveling to china |
| 03:08.07 | kd8ikt | cause barely anyone under 80 has built their own radio |
| 03:09.14 | rivalarrival | That has been true since before I got involved - back in 95, I believe... |
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| 03:11.33 | kd8ikt | i've honestly been getting sick of it rules an regs up the butt, then again i just have a 2meter. seems like the only time i chime in is to say my callsign cause most everyone else are windbags and frequently timeout the repeaters |
| 03:11.41 | kd8ikt | pluss i dont really know anyone |
| 03:12.24 | kd8ikt | not much to talk about with strangers besides 'OMG GAS PRICES" |
| 03:13.20 | rivalarrival | Ain't that the truth? |
| 03:14.15 | rivalarrival | That's why I never renewed my license... Nobody around worth talking to, all the geeks switched over to computers. |
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| 03:15.19 | kd8ikt | i think you have to have missing teeth and a bad accent to be able to converse with others like palls on 2meter round here |
| 03:15.35 | rivalarrival | Sure fire way to bring some fresh blood into the ham world would be to allow multi-mode commercial comms. |
| 03:15.46 | rivalarrival | at least on a portion of the bands. |
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| 03:16.21 | Dave | Need a working mediaplayer app :\ |
| 03:16.34 | Ainulindale | Need a freerunner :/ |
| 03:16.35 | KrisAbsinthe | Around here(Dayton,OH) most of the 2meter bands go unused anyway |
| 03:16.36 | Dave | particulrly to test preencoded video |
| 03:16.51 | Ainulindale | Yay first commit for SHR o/ |
| 03:16.53 | Ainulindale | <= Happy |
| 03:16.59 | rivalarrival | KrisAbsinthe: Same up here in the Akron area. |
| 03:17.16 | kd8ikt | mplayer isnt on the moko yet? |
| 03:17.37 | KrisAbsinthe | rivalarrival: geting my Tech class in a couple weeks, wanted general but not enough time to study |
| 03:17.55 | rivalarrival | kd8ikt: THAT will change. I give it 10 days. :) |
| 03:18.04 | kd8ikt | cool |
| 03:18.07 | kd8ikt | prolly |
| 03:18.33 | kd8ikt | hey its a mips cpu right? |
| 03:18.35 | KrisAbsinthe | mplayer has been needed for over a year. The app it comes with is a piece of junk |
| 03:18.47 | KrisAbsinthe | arm |
| 03:19.10 | rivalarrival | KrisAbsinthe: I got my tech back in the mid 90's, never renewed it. Can't see myself investing in amateur radio hardware unless I can use it to extend my internet connection. |
| 03:19.12 | KrisAbsinthe | armv4t to be exact |
| 03:19.52 | kd8ikt | ponders getting a big ole microsd card and installing gentoo on it ;) |
| 03:19.53 | KrisAbsinthe | rivalarrival: Someone bought me a radio for xmas and i fihure what the hell |
| 03:20.16 | KrisAbsinthe | only $14 test at H.O.P.E |
| 03:20.19 | kd8ikt | i wish my radio did 6meter |
| 03:20.43 | rivalarrival | 6-meter would be nice. |
| 03:20.49 | kd8ikt | vx-7r |
| 03:20.53 | KrisAbsinthe | I want a HF rig. too expensive though |
| 03:21.04 | rivalarrival | Never worked it. 2m, 220, 440. |
| 03:21.43 | rivalarrival | I've never been a fan of HF. |
| 03:22.10 | KrisAbsinthe | I like the possibilities of long range comms |
| 03:22.51 | KrisAbsinthe | In the Mid 90's I had a CB. kinda seems like a lot of those people got 2meter |
| 03:24.02 | rivalarrival | I went back to CB when I started driving a lot more for my job. |
| 03:24.24 | rivalarrival | Truckers are the best radar detecters. |
| 03:24.31 | KrisAbsinthe | Agreed |
| 03:25.14 | KrisAbsinthe | Wish there was a radio to get the CB and 2meter. If there is let me know |
| 03:25.37 | rivalarrival | Never heard of such a beast. |
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| 03:26.59 | rivalarrival | The coolest radio I'd ever seen was, I believe, an amateur all-band, all mode, from 80m to 6m, plus an optional 2m module. |
| 03:27.09 | KrisAbsinthe | Wow |
| 03:27.34 | rivalarrival | I think Icom had it out about 3 years ago... But I don't really remember the specs. |
| 03:28.00 | KrisAbsinthe | my radio is ICOM 2200H pretty nice, modded lol |
| 03:29.12 | rivalarrival | I remember listening to 800mhz cell phone calls back in the mid 90s on a modded transceiver. |
| 03:29.34 | KrisAbsinthe | lol, have a scanner for that, dont matter now though |
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| 03:29.57 | rivalarrival | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lapthorn/ft817.htm |
| 03:30.51 | KrisAbsinthe | Thats a nice radio |
| 03:31.21 | ChandleWEi | how to use opkg install download pkg ? I'm use opkg install ./gllin_1.0\+r350-r0_fic-gta01.ipk but done nothing |
| 03:31.37 | KrisAbsinthe | gllin is protected by a EULA |
| 03:32.48 | KrisAbsinthe | go download it on a host machine and scp it to the moko |
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| 03:33.33 | ChandleWEi | KrrisAbsinthe: yes I already get it |
| 03:33.44 | rivalarrival | wonder if I can set it up with dyndns and use it as a mobile web server... |
| 03:33.58 | ChandleWEi | du -sh gllinxxx.ipk 1.9mb |
| 03:34.32 | KrisAbsinthe | I had the same trouble w/ gllin then checked the md5 and it was off. |
| 03:35.04 | ChandleWEi | KrrisAbsinthe: but how to install it ? I can't find ipkg command, I just would know how to use opkg install local ipk |
| 03:35.28 | KrisAbsinthe | ipkg install ipkgname |
| 03:35.47 | KrisAbsinthe | opkg install ipkgname |
| 03:35.47 | ChandleWEi | KrisAbsinthe: can't find ipkg command |
| 03:35.57 | mwester | ChandleWEi: do you have a GTA01? |
| 03:36.11 | KrisAbsinthe | ipkg is depreciated. has somthing to do with legality |
| 03:36.38 | ChandleWEi | mwester: not gat01,just gta02 |
| 03:36.50 | KrisAbsinthe | then you dont need gllin |
| 03:36.53 | mwester | If you have gta02, then you don't want gllin -- it's only for the GPS in gta01 |
| 03:37.09 | mwester | ipkg is deprecated because it was un-maintained; it's been replaced by opkg. |
| 03:37.44 | KrisAbsinthe | mwester: is TangoGPS the best app for navigation |
| 03:38.08 | mwester | Dunno; but I hear of a lot of people using it. |
| 03:38.27 | SpeedEvil | tangogps is a moving map only |
| 03:38.37 | SpeedEvil | it features a pointer to a waypoint. |
| 03:38.40 | SpeedEvil | And that's it. |
| 03:38.44 | KrisAbsinthe | I use it, just wish I could download the entire east coast at once |
| 03:39.00 | kd8ikt | openwrt uses ipkg |
| 03:39.15 | kd8ikt | love the openwrt build env |
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| 03:40.42 | kd8ikt | dude once i get this phone i'm one step closer to having a fully linux home |
| 03:40.48 | kd8ikt | ;) |
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| 03:41.49 | KrisAbsinthe | kd8ikt: thats what I hoped with the GTA01 lol |
| 03:42.22 | kd8ikt | cable tv box, need to interface with my HVAC too maybe even turn the microwave and toaster and overn into linux computers or atleast linux controlled |
| 03:42.38 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 03:42.48 | KrisAbsinthe | lol, thats sweet |
| 03:42.55 | rivalarrival | kd8ikt: X10? |
| 03:43.44 | kd8ikt | oh yeah i forgot about that |
| 03:44.11 | rivalarrival | smarthome.com |
| 03:44.17 | kd8ikt | though ethernet over power... |
| 03:45.11 | kd8ikt | still a fully automated house would be awesome |
| 03:45.28 | kd8ikt | need sensors all over the place |
| 03:46.26 | kd8ikt | anyone see walle? the pixar movie. loved it except for all the macintosh propaganda |
| 03:46.27 | rivalarrival | My friend's dad wired their house so he could control it with a giant universal remote. |
| 03:46.33 | KrisAbsinthe | you could do proximity authentication with your Freerunner |
| 03:46.45 | kd8ikt | bluetooth? |
| 03:47.10 | rivalarrival | I've seen proximity authentication done with bluetooth devices. |
| 03:47.42 | KrisAbsinthe | I would do it over BT but with a Key stored with OBEX |
| 03:47.44 | kd8ikt | well hey talkin about ham this 2 meter cinci repeater has been getting propigation into lousville |
| 03:47.55 | KrisAbsinthe | Wow |
| 03:48.05 | KrisAbsinthe | whats the freqs |
| 03:48.16 | kd8ikt | givin this repeater downtown is up like 700ft or so on a tv stations antenna |
| 03:48.23 | kd8ikt | 145.35 |
| 03:48.25 | rivalarrival | Louisville KY? |
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| 03:48.41 | kd8ikt | prolly or is there a oiusville in indiana? |
| 03:48.59 | KrisAbsinthe | either way |
| 03:49.01 | rivalarrival | Because Louisville OH would be more interesting... |
| 03:49.13 | rivalarrival | Up, east of Canton. |
| 03:50.51 | kd8ikt | think its ky wich is only like 50+ miles away no biggy |
| 03:51.17 | kd8ikt | considering how high this repeaters antenna is |
| 03:52.13 | ChandleWEi | I opkg install tangogps, but I exec gpsd it show me gpsd: can't run with neither control socket nor devices |
| 03:52.26 | ChandleWEi | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.17 | KrisAbsinthe | is the module loaded for the GPS |
| 03:53.31 | kd8ikt | whats opkg.conf have for the default pkgs url? |
| 03:53.41 | kd8ikt | i'd like to thumb through it |
| 03:54.45 | rivalarrival | When I use my bluetooth GPS on my machine, I have to exec gpsd with the argument /dev/rfcomm0 |
| 03:55.08 | ieatlint | alas, my phone seemingly did not ship today :( |
| 03:55.39 | rivalarrival | I think I get the same error on my ubuntu machine if I don't supply the device... |
| 03:55.39 | KrisAbsinthe | Im not ordering another OM device until at least generation 3 maybe 4 |
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| 03:56.49 | rivalarrival | Just give it a little time - the community hasn't been all that involved with the neo1973, and the FR is just now getting into the hands of the "l33t hax0rs" |
| 03:57.38 | kd8ikt | i'm buying it just for the name ;) |
| 03:58.21 | kd8ikt | nah but i'm inbetween user / dev and like the idea of supporting the project with monies |
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| 03:58.53 | KrisAbsinthe | i just want usable battery life lol. and I bought the 01 before the 850mhz problem was found |
| 03:59.03 | kd8ikt | 400$ is a boatload but like i've said before this sucker is packed with hardware |
| 03:59.06 | KrisAbsinthe | needless to say I found it pretty fast |
| 03:59.14 | kd8ikt | the 01? |
| 03:59.22 | KrisAbsinthe | Neo1973 |
| 03:59.27 | KrisAbsinthe | GTA01 |
| 03:59.29 | kd8ikt | dang and the FR is like double the cpu |
| 04:00.19 | rivalarrival | The battery problem should be resolvable. I imagine there will be a couple dozen workarounds in the next week. |
| 04:00.40 | rivalarrival | Unless the hardware is truly fuxx0red. |
| 04:01.22 | KrisAbsinthe | Ive had this phone for nearly a year I doubt a fix for battery exists. |
| 04:01.54 | kd8ikt | i dont like the idea of the video accellerator being on that shared bus |
| 04:02.03 | kd8ikt | howlong does it last? |
| 04:02.10 | KrisAbsinthe | 3-4 hours |
| 04:02.17 | kd8ikt | oh damn |
| 04:02.31 | kd8ikt | that sucks bigtime |
| 04:02.36 | rivalarrival | That's the 01 - same problem with the FR? |
| 04:02.45 | KrisAbsinthe | I dont know |
| 04:02.48 | kd8ikt | i dont think so |
| 04:02.56 | mmontour | Freerunner battery life should be OK - they fixed a lot of stuff. |
| 04:03.01 | KrisAbsinthe | doubt it. OM is really good about fixing problems |
| 04:03.29 | KrisAbsinthe | just wish I could pay them to Mod my phone for 800mhzm damn FCC |
| 04:03.38 | KrisAbsinthe | opps 850mhz |
| 04:04.03 | kd8ikt | ? dunno but my service provider uses 1900 |
| 04:04.10 | kd8ikt | so i'm good either way |
| 04:04.33 | kd8ikt | cant wait to drop my sim chip in a FR |
| 04:04.46 | KrisAbsinthe | the FR fixed that issue, I will get one when I am sure about battery life |
| 04:04.54 | kd8ikt | it should beable to read my contact list on the sim right? |
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| 04:05.18 | kd8ikt | not like i have a terrible amount of contacts anyway |
| 04:05.21 | rivalarrival | Don't most of the GSM providers have roaming agreements? |
| 04:05.56 | KrisAbsinthe | my area physically lacks other GSM bands |
| 04:06.56 | KrisAbsinthe | except downtown Dayton and Downtown Columbus |
| 04:08.47 | SpeedEvil | It varies. |
| 04:08.57 | KrisAbsinthe | did they ever make the Wifi module have monitor mode on the FR |
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| 04:09.16 | mwester | The battery life can easily extended beyond the out-of-the-box experience; there's a few simply changes that will permit suspend/resume to work. |
| 04:09.18 | SpeedEvil | Typically, various carriers will have reciprocal agreements with various other carriers. |
| 04:09.30 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: don't think so. |
| 04:09.32 | mwester | No monitor mode is available in the firmware. |
| 04:09.54 | KrisAbsinthe | do you have a wiki on those tweaks? |
| 04:10.14 | SpeedEvil | mwester: which is a pity - if only from a powersaving POV. |
| 04:10.21 | KrisAbsinthe | wow, that sucks |
| 04:11.15 | mwester | It's firmware, so I guess there's hope if enough folks need the Wifi chips to do more interesting things. |
| 04:11.17 | kd8ikt | yeah how am i supposed to use kismet with gps :( |
| 04:11.29 | KrisAbsinthe | having Mon. mode and a packet capture program was the whole reason I wanted a FR. Im a pen. tester, would have been bad ass |
| 04:11.37 | kd8ikt | cries inside |
| 04:11.45 | mwester | Oh that - I hope they don't do it just so we can arm little script-kiddies to go around hacking into networks. |
| 04:11.54 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 04:12.21 | mwester | And yeah, yeah - everyone's a "pen tester" -- you have NO idea how many "pen testers" I meet. |
| 04:12.23 | KrisAbsinthe | mwester: I see your point |
| 04:12.29 | KrisAbsinthe | lol |
| 04:12.32 | kd8ikt | amen |
| 04:12.53 | kd8ikt | but still kismet+gps+openmoko=coolbeans |
| 04:13.17 | mwester | Frankly, those who need that can just use a wifi USB dongle. |
| 04:13.42 | kd8ikt | ah yes i forgot i have an ALFA usb card that can work with one usb port |
| 04:13.50 | mwester | After all, if you are a legitimate "pen tester", a little extra equipment isn't a problem, right? |
| 04:14.01 | KrisAbsinthe | forgot they added +5v on that bus |
| 04:14.24 | KrisAbsinthe | no problem to have equipment , just like to consolidate. |
| 04:14.42 | mwester | :) |
| 04:14.45 | mwester | Right. |
| 04:15.13 | KrisAbsinthe | lol, i grew out of war driving about 6 months after wifi got big. |
| 04:15.15 | kd8ikt | next there will be talk of ruby/ metasploit |
| 04:15.27 | KrisAbsinthe | sql lol |
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| 04:15.50 | kd8ikt | hey lets get backtrack to run on the moko |
| 04:16.23 | KrisAbsinthe | thats a challenge |
| 04:16.23 | Swabby | is openmoko like a leeto phone? |
| 04:16.38 | SpeedEvil | Not yet. |
| 04:16.41 | mwester | ? |
| 04:16.44 | Swabby | :) |
| 04:17.01 | kd8ikt | if you mean leeto like linux /homebrew software engineering , then yes |
| 04:17.22 | mwester | isn't leeto a cheese chip thing that comes in a snack bag? |
| 04:17.40 | alphabeat | oh now i'm hungry |
| 04:17.49 | KrisAbsinthe | mmmm tacos |
| 04:18.48 | mwester | has a nice rythm to it: I'd like a taca and bag of leetos, please! |
| 04:19.02 | KrisAbsinthe | nice |
| 04:19.41 | Swabby | lol |
| 04:19.58 | mwester | Has anyone done side-by-side tests on the GTA01 and 02 GPS chips? |
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| 04:20.22 | kd8ikt | read something in the wiki ideas/wishlist about shake the phone to enable /disable screenlock that'd be neat |
| 04:21.03 | mwester | It'd be fun to watch a group of people all unlocking their phones at the same time... |
| 04:21.21 | rivalarrival | Yeah, I saw that - screen needs to lock or your dialing with your face. |
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| 04:21.29 | rivalarrival | *You're |
| 04:21.40 | KrisAbsinthe | the iPhone has that problem |
| 04:21.42 | mwester | big-time -- it's way more sensitive than the treo when you stick up to your ear. |
| 04:21.43 | chillywilly | waits for his unit to ship...and waits... ;) |
| 04:21.53 | kd8ikt | i like that idea or maybe a round motion |
| 04:22.09 | rivalarrival | Or, beat somebody upside the head with it to unlock. |
| 04:22.14 | kd8ikt | cause a shake could be emulated by a bump car ride /walking etc |
| 04:22.47 | alphabeat | maybe you could teach it to learn a specific style of shake |
| 04:23.04 | rivalarrival | No more passwords - secret hand shakes. |
| 04:23.07 | chillywilly | it has an acceleratmator (sp?) in it, right? |
| 04:23.13 | kd8ikt | 2 |
| 04:23.13 | alphabeat | 2 |
| 04:23.15 | alphabeat | 2 |
| 04:23.17 | mwester | sufficently high G might be a good way. That way, when it falsely unlocks, it would usually be due to something Very Bad Indeed happening, and if you had voice dailing, you could call for an ambulance or something. |
| 04:23.19 | chillywilly | ok |
| 04:23.19 | KrisAbsinthe | maybe you woud have to press the aux button and shake |
| 04:23.21 | rivalarrival | chillywilly: a pair of 3d accelerometers |
| 04:23.38 | chillywilly | yea, I butchered that word |
| 04:23.43 | chillywilly | ;P |
| 04:23.59 | chillywilly | when will we get a 3G openmoko phone ;) |
| 04:24.13 | rivalarrival | What order number are they up to now? |
| 04:24.17 | mwester | I'd like to see the current one work first, I guess. |
| 04:24.21 | chillywilly | mine is 3000 |
| 04:24.43 | chillywilly | am I going to get an email with a tracking no. when it ships, anyone know? |
| 04:24.45 | rivalarrival | I meant - what have they shipped? |
| 04:24.58 | rivalarrival | chillywilly: Yes - but it might take awhile... |
| 04:25.03 | kd8ikt | i think the group puchase the guys near me did said it would arrive sometimenext week |
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| 04:25.15 | rivalarrival | Last I heard, they were up to ~1300 |
| 04:25.19 | chillywilly | how long is a "while"? ;P |
| 04:25.40 | kd8ikt | hadnt pestered him about the number but i need a few more days to procure the cash |
| 04:25.50 | rivalarrival | chillywilly: We'll let you know how long awhile is. We'll tell you in a "while". |
| 04:25.56 | chillywilly | I even chose 2nd day air shipping because I don't want to wait for UPS Ground from CA to WI |
| 04:26.03 | SpeedEvil | mwester: the accels are +-2G only I think |
| 04:26.15 | kelvie | how fast is that? |
| 04:26.22 | kelvie | data bandwidthwise |
| 04:26.43 | chillywilly | does the phone still have suspend problems? |
| 04:26.48 | rivalarrival | You'll get it sooner, but they are backlogged on the initial orders. |
| 04:27.04 | chillywilly | is FSO the only firmware that will give you decent calls and SMS? |
| 04:27.07 | kd8ikt | lol them someone better log into the wiki and change that 5/6 G auto collision junk and say "imposible because" |
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| 04:27.24 | kd8ikt | FSO? |
| 04:27.47 | chillywilly | freesmartphone.org or did I get it wrong? |
| 04:27.50 | KrisAbsinthe | kelvie: not G as in 3G but as in Gravity for the accelerometers |
| 04:28.13 | chillywilly | there's a wiki there :) |
| 04:28.14 | kelvie | ah :p |
| 04:28.44 | kelvie | how fast is the data through the phone though? |
| 04:28.50 | kelvie | I've heard that it's 2 G or 2.5G or whatever |
| 04:28.54 | KrisAbsinthe | I think 2.5G |
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| 04:28.57 | alphabeat | chillywilly: have a read of this to understand all the different versions. http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/open-moko-software.ars |
| 04:29.01 | KrisAbsinthe | slow |
| 04:29.04 | kelvie | and... those don't mean much to me :p |
| 04:29.10 | kelvie | like 20 kb/s slow? |
| 04:29.14 | kelvie | or dialup slow? |
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| 04:29.35 | alphabeat | I'd imagine around 5KB/s... |
| 04:29.38 | rivalarrival | kelvie: Carrier pigeon slow |
| 04:29.42 | kelvie | wow |
| 04:29.45 | rivalarrival | :-) J/K |
| 04:29.50 | kelvie | how fast is 3G? |
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| 04:30.14 | kelvie | it's hard to find reliable information on how fast things are by how many "G"s they have |
| 04:30.16 | chillywilly | alphabeat: I already have that URL loaded in my browser but I ran out of time this morning and had to go to work, I also have the blog entry by michael lauer to read |
| 04:30.21 | chillywilly | alphabeat: I just got home :) |
| 04:30.27 | alphabeat | ah no worries. it's a good read |
| 04:30.34 | KrisAbsinthe | looks like 144 kbit/s via wikipedia |
| 04:30.35 | alphabeat | kelvie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bandwidths#Mobile_telephone_interfaces |
| 04:30.36 | alphabeat | this might clear things up |
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| 04:31.19 | kelvie | alphabeat: oh wow, thanks :) |
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| 04:31.24 | kelvie | can't believe I hadn't run into that page yet |
| 04:31.48 | alphabeat | yeah it's pretty handy |
| 04:32.21 | KrisAbsinthe | mwester: hate to bother you again but did they ever fix up the in call audio with the GTA01 |
| 04:32.28 | alphabeat | so basically as i understand it, 2G is GSM, 2.5 is GPRS, 2.75 is EDGE, 3G is HSDPA |
| 04:32.28 | kelvie | wow.. 3G is a huge difference :O |
| 04:32.41 | kelvie | gprs seems barely useable |
| 04:32.45 | kelvie | even for stuff like updating git repos |
| 04:32.55 | alphabeat | but it is useful for AGPS |
| 04:33.03 | rivalarrival | Yeah, this 2g, 2.5g, and 3g crap has got to go. |
| 04:33.09 | KrisAbsinthe | would be good for grabbing maps from OSM via TangoGPS |
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| 04:34.09 | rivalarrival | So, GPRS is dialup? |
| 04:34.41 | kd8ikt | thinkso |
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| 04:34.43 | kelvie | slower |
| 04:34.44 | chillywilly | anyone know what firmware is actually used in the W.E. phones? |
| 04:34.48 | kelvie | it seems |
| 04:34.58 | kd8ikt | more like GSM tcp/ip |
| 04:35.09 | kelvie | wait no it's exactly the same |
| 04:35.20 | chillywilly | is that a 4th stack? |
| 04:37.36 | rivalarrival | How about VOIP services on the freerunner? Skype, or a compatible alternative? |
| 04:37.51 | rivalarrival | with the wifi, not the gprs, obviously... |
| 04:39.13 | kd8ikt | needs a sip client or something sip mode tab integrated into the normal dialer via any ip network ie wifi, blootoof , or the gsm netthingy |
| 04:39.59 | kd8ikt | then one could have asterisk/FWD or other iax supported service ;) FWD cause its free |
| 04:40.28 | KrisAbsinthe | been waiting on that. it will be sweet |
| 04:40.41 | kd8ikt | run that on an external server or home asterisks server |
| 04:41.07 | KrisAbsinthe | asterisks is ported to OM but no GUI |
| 04:41.09 | kd8ikt | little bloaty to have asterisk actually on the phone |
| 04:41.20 | kd8ikt | pluss one needs port forwarding etc |
| 04:41.53 | kd8ikt | er maybe openvpn +sip client to home asterisk server |
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| 04:42.21 | kd8ikt | like i was asking earlier does a sipclient need ports forwarded to connect to a asterisk host |
| 04:42.43 | kd8ikt | if so openvpn might be mandatory to connect to your home net |
| 04:42.51 | kd8ikt | and register with asterisk |
| 04:43.25 | KrisAbsinthe | starting to eat into the memory a little with all the deps, SD card will be required |
| 04:43.35 | rivalarrival | I know that Skype doesn't need port forwarding... But I don't know. |
| 04:43.51 | kd8ikt | if you want zero conf then run home to iphone or whats that one cell with wifi roaming/calling |
| 04:44.05 | kd8ikt | tmobile? |
| 04:44.18 | kd8ikt | bet underneath all that is asterisk ;) |
| 04:44.47 | SpeedEvil | SIP over GPRS will not work well. |
| 04:44.54 | SpeedEvil | Typical GPRS has a latency of 2s |
| 04:44.58 | SpeedEvil | up to 2s |
| 04:45.03 | kd8ikt | dang really |
| 04:45.14 | cb22 | sometimes you can get 50msec or so |
| 04:45.17 | cb22 | 500* |
| 04:45.40 | kd8ikt | whatabouyt a true dialup modem |
| 04:45.46 | cb22 | csd? |
| 04:46.00 | rivalarrival | Not interested in using it over the GPRS connection - just the wifi. |
| 04:46.13 | cb22 | that would definitly be possible |
| 04:46.19 | KrisAbsinthe | could use it with echolink lol |
| 04:46.24 | rivalarrival | lol |
| 04:46.24 | cb22 | <-- jet lagged |
| 04:46.24 | kd8ikt | gprs=too much money |
| 04:46.34 | kd8ikt | i think i get charged per kb |
| 04:46.44 | rivalarrival | I think t-mobile offers unlimited for 20 bucks |
| 04:47.06 | kd8ikt | boy would they hate an openmoko |
| 04:47.13 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 04:47.29 | kd8ikt | people dropping 8GB+ cards in it and running rtorrent ;) |
| 04:47.54 | cb22 | hehe |
| 04:48.09 | cb22 | or even better, people conecting 1tb external usb drives and running ctorrent :) |
| 04:48.19 | kd8ikt | i thought gprs waqs faster then regular dialup |
| 04:48.36 | cb22 | faster yes |
| 04:48.38 | rivalarrival | Well, it's the ISP definition of unlimited... |
| 04:48.40 | cb22 | but more latency |
| 04:49.40 | rivalarrival | gprs appears to be slightly faster - 7kBs vs 5kBs |
| 04:49.43 | rivalarrival | approximately |
| 04:49.54 | kd8ikt | i need a telecom induced headache pill |
| 04:50.45 | KrisAbsinthe | Is there an easy way to remove all the games off my moko |
| 04:51.25 | kd8ikt | opkg not seeing em? |
| 04:52.12 | rivalarrival | No. Games are essential to the operating system, removing them will void your warranty. |
| 04:52.19 | KrisAbsinthe | trying to figure out the legal names for them. I was hoping that they grouped them like openmoko-games or somthing |
| 04:52.30 | KrisAbsinthe | *something |
| 04:52.34 | rivalarrival | (When OpenMoko operates like T-Mobile) |
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| 04:54.05 | alphabeat | ok i've set up asterisk all i need now is a freerunner and a howto :) |
| 04:55.59 | kd8ikt | http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/gbpnkans/ ? or do we need something special to register with an asterisk server? |
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| 04:56.33 | alphabeat | ah thanks |
| 04:56.35 | kd8ikt | like my half baked idear of a moko sip client |
| 04:57.57 | alphabeat | it looks like that project wants to put asterisk *on* the phone. is that right? |
| 04:58.26 | Ainulindale | mickey|zzZZzz: "Initiate" on Call is pretty much.... not obvious at all :-) |
| 04:58.31 | Ainulindale | "type" is unknown to me |
| 04:58.52 | kd8ikt | well IAX |
| 04:59.13 | kd8ikt | if its on the phone it could act as the registering/router to go through the main server |
| 04:59.48 | kd8ikt | or just cut out the middle man maybe i'm def no asterisk god i tinkered with it like 5 times |
| 05:00.07 | kd8ikt | had a free ipkall number etc |
| 05:00.31 | kd8ikt | FWD with free incoming but not outgoing |
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| 05:06.27 | kd8ikt | <--blabbermouth |
| 05:06.33 | Ainulindale | mickey|zzZZzz: (a grep in zhone solved my question for a time, but you won't sleep if I get my hands on you) |
| 05:12.51 | KrisAbsinthe | anyone remember the command to shrink the clock? |
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| 05:14.15 | rooly | well allo there |
| 05:14.31 | rooly | what's up with the qt default MokoMakefile build? |
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| 05:19.43 | abraxa_ | KrisAbsinthe: "shrink"? |
| 05:22.48 | KrisAbsinthe | dock it, instead of it being big. i wrote a script along time ago to edit various settings just can remember what it was |
| 05:23.25 | chillywilly | can the freerunner do stereo? |
| 05:23.41 | KrisAbsinthe | with headphones yes |
| 05:24.02 | rooly | purchased a freerunner from koolu on tuesday |
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| 05:27.37 | walrustown | Wow, the reports I've seen on battery life are widely varying -- from 3 hours to 21 |
| 05:27.48 | walrustown | Anyone have any first-hand experience? |
| 05:28.10 | KrisAbsinthe | on the FR or the GTA01 |
| 05:28.20 | walrustown | I'm interested in the FR |
| 05:28.27 | KrisAbsinthe | nope |
| 05:28.35 | walrustown | What is the GTA01 like? |
| 05:28.44 | KrisAbsinthe | 3-4 hours |
| 05:29.01 | walrustown | Is that 3-4 hours talking, or 3-4 hours idle? |
| 05:29.08 | KrisAbsinthe | Im sure they fixed any hardware problems. |
| 05:29.14 | KrisAbsinthe | idle |
| 05:29.42 | walrustown | It looks like they haven't made it so that the CPU gets clocked down when its idle, I wonder when that might happen |
| 05:29.43 | rooly | i heard that the 1973 had no power management in sleep mode...which seems to be a major problem... |
| 05:29.45 | KrisAbsinthe | ive only been able to talk for about 20 mins Total |
| 05:30.13 | KrisAbsinthe | yes it is. It would be a sweet ass device if i can fix up the PM |
| 05:30.48 | rooly | why do i keep getting this damned qtopia theme when i boot the emulator? |
| 05:30.57 | walrustown | Yeah, I ordered a FR before realizing the battery life was rather... bad |
| 05:31.21 | alphabeat | walrustown: they think they can get it to under a week standby |
| 05:31.27 | ieatlint | i question if such people have the wifi and bluetooth on though |
| 05:31.28 | KrisAbsinthe | Im waiting this time, I ordered the 1973 the day it went on sale |
| 05:31.48 | rooly | meh...when else is one go aquire one... |
| 05:31.54 | rooly | the things go faster than hotcakes |
| 05:32.03 | rooly | *to |
| 05:32.04 | walrustown | alphabeat: that's good; I'd be OK with just 2-3 days really |
| 05:32.26 | KrisAbsinthe | i would be happy with 10 hours, but want 24 |
| 05:32.31 | rooly | would be happy with 1 day of charge... |
| 05:32.38 | ieatlint | ~18 is enough for me |
| 05:32.39 | apt | ieatlint: okay |
| 05:32.44 | walrustown | Yeah, I was way too excited. When I saw the green "Buy" button, I just clicked and kept clicking until I was $400 poorer |
| 05:32.47 | ieatlint | yeah, charge it when you go to bed |
| 05:33.25 | walrustown | 18 would be ok, but I want to make the FR my primary phone |
| 05:33.44 | walrustown | If I get lost or kidnapped or something, I'd like more battery life |
| 05:33.53 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 05:33.57 | rooly | gps, ftw |
| 05:34.09 | ieatlint | if you get kidnapped and they don't take away your phone, then that's just sad |
| 05:34.09 | KrisAbsinthe | yeah, me too, my wife was pissed when we realized that the 1973 didnt work in a good chunk on north america |
| 05:34.10 | walrustown | 'zackly, but I'll need 18 hours if they drug me and take me to mexico |
| 05:34.28 | walrustown | sad for the kidnappers, yay for me |
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| 05:34.45 | ieatlint | sad if you let yourself get abducted by such morons? |
| 05:34.47 | kd8ikt | well just find a usb>minusb cable and your in buissness |
| 05:35.05 | ieatlint | someone go make a handcrank phone charger |
| 05:35.11 | walrustown | good point, if they didn't take my phone, maybe they're dumb enough that I could just ask for a charger |
| 05:35.21 | walrustown | *relives OLPC* |
| 05:35.22 | KrisAbsinthe | and some money |
| 05:35.24 | kd8ikt | motor+crank+diode=handcharger |
| 05:35.36 | ieatlint | yep |
| 05:36.43 | kd8ikt | though for enough juice to even turn on the fricken moko you'll prolly need a huge motor or a few hours of vigourus cranking ... gook think you watch all those xxx movies eh? |
| 05:37.18 | ieatlint | no, the power output is 100-500maH at 5v to charge the FR as i understand it |
| 05:37.35 | KrisAbsinthe | solar |
| 05:37.42 | walrustown | I wonder how easy it would be to wire up an LED to the FR to act as a flashlight |
| 05:37.44 | ieatlint | that isn't all too hard to produce, but due to the limited power input, you'd be turning it for hours |
| 05:38.04 | kd8ikt | yeah time to think of making a replacement back panel with a solar cell and battery charge hookup |
| 05:38.05 | ieatlint | and it's an entirely different motion than practised with those movies ... unless i'm doing it very wrong :P |
| 05:38.21 | ieatlint | walrustown, very easy methinks |
| 05:38.39 | KrisAbsinthe | Im thinking of doing that with my 1973 but have lots to plan |
| 05:38.43 | kd8ikt | that atleast you could sleep while it charges or foriage for food |
| 05:39.24 | walrustown | ieatlint, was that a whisper of some kind or did my IRC client just color it special because my name was in it? |
| 05:39.28 | walrustown | <---- IRC newb |
| 05:39.41 | alphabeat | the second one |
| 05:39.49 | ieatlint | your name was in it |
| 05:39.49 | rooly | the latter |
| 05:39.53 | walrustown | i c thx |
| 05:40.04 | rooly | most irc clients (except mirc) do that be default |
| 05:40.06 | walrustown | I was trying to figure out how to whisper back :) |
| 05:40.07 | alphabeat | walrustow |
| 05:40.08 | rooly | *by |
| 05:40.11 | alphabeat | oohh almost! |
| 05:40.17 | walrustown | alphabea |
| 05:40.18 | alphabeat | walrustow. |
| 05:40.24 | alphabeat | WALRUSTOWN |
| 05:40.25 | walrustown | walrus in tow |
| 05:40.37 | walrustown | learning dvorak? |
| 05:40.50 | alphabeat | i tried once. learning hurts |
| 05:41.00 | ieatlint | 3.7" x 2.4" solar panel with a 4.5v 100mA DC output for $16 ... that'd do a bit |
| 05:41.09 | rooly | damnit! i want to see the om2007.2 gui |
| 05:41.20 | rooly | but it keeps putting this buggy qt gui instead |
| 05:41.21 | rooly | on the emulator |
| 05:41.40 | ieatlint | $35 gets you a 7" x 4.5" at 9v and 280mA... but you'd need to drop that down to 5v .. would charge a lot faster though |
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| 05:42.31 | KrisAbsinthe | ieatlint: Im thinking of hard wiring it into the USB and making a photosensor to shut off charging so that i can still use the usb. |
| 05:42.57 | ieatlint | you won't be able to get it thin enough i bet |
| 05:43.18 | rooly | who needs thin when you have linux in your pocket? |
| 05:43.20 | KrisAbsinthe | ieatlint: on the PCB not in the port |
| 05:43.39 | rooly | i kid, i kid |
| 05:43.50 | ieatlint | i meant the solar panel |
| 05:43.56 | rooly | i know |
| 05:44.05 | ieatlint | no, i was telling Kris that |
| 05:44.09 | rooly | i know |
| 05:44.51 | ieatlint | sparkfun sells a 6Ah battery with the same 3.7v output as the FR's 1200mah |
| 05:45.12 | KrisAbsinthe | ah, thickness is not a problem. But the black part of the back separates from the rest, gives a few cm |
| 05:45.14 | ieatlint | $40... but at .73" thick, it's probably 3 times the thickness :P |
| 05:45.37 | ieatlint | would be more than 3x the battery life though |
| 05:45.48 | ieatlint | 4x, i mean |
| 05:46.01 | ieatlint | omg, my math is bad tonight |
| 05:46.02 | KrisAbsinthe | hmm, not much room on the inside, but building out? |
| 05:46.04 | ieatlint | 5x exactly |
| 05:46.07 | ieatlint | heh :( |
| 05:46.29 | rooly | they do it in laptops all the time |
| 05:46.30 | rooly | anywho |
| 05:46.33 | rooly | a little help please? |
| 05:46.44 | kd8ikt | there are a few custom battery makers |
| 05:46.59 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7b33b4a439c7 10/packages/efl1/etk_cvs.bb: remove etk patch |
| 05:47.15 | kd8ikt | give the dimensions and the volt/amps you want and see if they can handle it |
| 05:47.41 | kd8ikt | cost ya a pretty penny but mass produce a few and sell em to us |
| 05:48.14 | kd8ikt | or fake it and get em to send you a prototype for free ;) |
| 05:48.36 | ieatlint | hah |
| 05:48.44 | kd8ikt | "i'm gonna need a million so send me one prototype ;)" |
| 05:49.01 | KrisAbsinthe | lol |
| 05:49.44 | ieatlint | yeah, the batteries on sparkfun are all 54mm x 54mm, and the battery for the FR is 58mm x 37mm :( |
| 05:50.29 | alphabeat | there were reports that a cheap nokia battery would also fit |
| 05:50.35 | alphabeat | will have to find the post on the mailing list |
| 05:50.42 | KrisAbsinthe | yeah, i have one. Sucks as bad |
| 05:50.53 | KrisAbsinthe | blc-5 nokia battery |
| 05:50.54 | ieatlint | yeah, the BL-5C, 850maH methinks |
| 05:51.01 | alphabeat | ah sweet. is that on the wiki? |
| 05:51.20 | KrisAbsinthe | yes |
| 05:51.22 | ieatlint | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery (my understanding is it's the same battery for the neo1973 and the FR) |
| 05:51.29 | alphabeat | ok thanks |
| 05:51.45 | alphabeat | how'd your suing go ieatlint? |
| 05:52.09 | ieatlint | still going |
| 05:52.18 | kd8ikt | who ya suin? |
| 05:52.24 | alphabeat | ex-wife? |
| 05:52.30 | KrisAbsinthe | ouch |
| 05:52.33 | ieatlint | it was a funny day, in some respects, as my sister was being deposed |
| 05:52.38 | ieatlint | nah, a sister |
| 05:52.45 | alphabeat | oh sorry :P that's right. about your father right? |
| 05:52.54 | kd8ikt | how could one sue family? |
| 05:52.57 | alphabeat | ex-sister then ;) |
| 05:53.02 | chillywilly | that doesn't sounds good, suing family |
| 05:53.10 | ieatlint | it never is |
| 05:53.11 | alphabeat | something about their fathers will |
| 05:53.14 | ieatlint | and yeah, about my father |
| 05:53.17 | ieatlint | yep |
| 05:53.28 | kd8ikt | oh she forge a will or somethin |
| 05:53.39 | ieatlint | nope |
| 05:53.51 | ieatlint | he was in hospital, had a brain tumour |
| 05:54.22 | ieatlint | she found him a lawyer and got a new will signed eliminating me from it about 3 weeks before he died |
| 05:55.02 | KrisAbsinthe | thats bunk |
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| 05:55.15 | ieatlint | anyway, there's a lot more to it than that, including her then restricting my access to him and such ... but she herself says i didn't do anything unethical/bad/etc to him, or claim that he said i did |
| 05:55.30 | ieatlint | so it's really just a whole bunch of bullshit |
| 05:55.40 | ieatlint | and thus, i sued |
| 05:55.52 | kd8ikt | jeeze what a bitch |
| 05:55.54 | ieatlint | this was started last november, and could well go into 2009 |
| 05:56.26 | ieatlint | yeah, i barely got to see him in his final days... only "monitored" visits for like 15min |
| 05:57.10 | ieatlint | she then violated his wishes and held a viewing of his body, and then had a funeral service (he explicitly stated he wanted neither to me on several occasions) |
| 05:57.29 | alphabeat | wow |
| 05:57.35 | ieatlint | a whole lot of fucked up... could go on for hours like this |
| 05:57.59 | kd8ikt | come to think of it i dont think i'd want that either just put a picture of me next to the casket |
| 05:58.06 | ieatlint | was told he died via text message... had i not been awake at 1am, i wouldn't have known till morning |
| 05:58.38 | KrisAbsinthe | damn, I want to punch her in the face |
| 05:58.50 | ieatlint | that's the general consensus of most people |
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| 05:59.17 | kd8ikt | i remember seeing my grandma/grandpa's open casket and cant say i cared for that "ritual" |
| 05:59.27 | ieatlint | my lawyer thought i was hiding something terrible i'd done to alienate my father at first... but indeed, he quickly learnt that wasn't the case |
| 05:59.51 | ieatlint | yeah, as per his wishes i refused to see his body |
| 05:59.52 | rivalarrival | I had a female boss a few years back... Dealing with a real bitch of a client. I only bring this up because, after she walked away from this client, she mumbled "Therapeutic Rape" |
| 06:00.35 | rooly | hmm |
| 06:00.38 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 06:00.49 | rooly | i could be a therapeutic rapist, if given the incentive |
| 06:00.57 | kd8ikt | ROFL |
| 06:01.08 | rooly | i figure large breasts and an alibi would suffice |
| 06:01.12 | rivalarrival | My jaw bounced off the pavement - I didn't know whether to be apalled or bust out laughing. |
| 06:01.56 | kd8ikt | it took a few seconds to think of "therapeutic rape" but thats funny shit |
| 06:01.56 | ieatlint | you have to be a woman for those breasts to work |
| 06:01.56 | ieatlint | trust me on this. |
| 06:02.13 | rooly | oh fsck |
| 06:02.15 | rooly | segfault |
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| 06:02.24 | rooly | i guess i shouldn't mix build files... |
| 06:02.31 | ieatlint | stop writing to memory that's not yours |
| 06:02.32 | kd8ikt | this room isnt logged mehopes |
| 06:02.40 | KrisAbsinthe | oh it is |
| 06:02.46 | kd8ikt | oh shit |
| 06:02.48 | KrisAbsinthe | its on the wiki |
| 06:02.50 | rooly | file-system check |
| 06:02.52 | mmontour | ~logs |
| 06:02.53 | apt | methinks logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 06:02.53 | ieatlint | yeah, everything you say on irc is logged by like 100 people |
| 06:02.53 | rooly | fsck |
| 06:02.56 | rooly | it's a unix manual |
| 06:03.01 | rivalarrival | http://xkcd.com/371/ |
| 06:03.02 | rooly | *utility |
| 06:03.07 | kd8ikt | lol people are gonna google my callsign and get this mess |
| 06:03.17 | rivalarrival | That's for rooly |
| 06:03.23 | KrisAbsinthe | lol |
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| 06:03.49 | ozzloy | will i be sent something when my freerunner is shipped out? like a tracking number? |
| 06:04.08 | rooly | if you got it via fedex or ups, for sure |
| 06:04.19 | rivalarrival | kd8ikt - I googled you a couple hours ago... That's why I no longer use my (expired) callsign as a handle |
| 06:04.20 | rooly | but, since i don't think any of us did, then...mebe |
| 06:04.25 | ozzloy | hmm.... |
| 06:04.34 | ozzloy | i paid for 3 day shipping |
| 06:04.37 | kd8ikt | eh * |
| 06:04.37 | kd8ikt | gedit moko.sh |
| 06:04.46 | kd8ikt | i dont really care i have nothing much to hide |
| 06:04.48 | nullpuppy | ozzloy: yes. you'll get an email with tracking info when it ships |
| 06:04.56 | nullpuppy | as for when it'll ship, i have no idea |
| 06:04.57 | rivalarrival | ozzloy: That's 3-days from when the manage to cram it into a box and slap a shipping label on it. |
| 06:05.01 | kd8ikt | whoops paste got jostled in |
| 06:05.44 | ozzloy | rivalarrival: yeah, i know |
| 06:06.05 | ozzloy | i thought maybe that'd help determine whether it was fedex/ups or other |
| 06:06.14 | rivalarrival | Oh. |
| 06:06.18 | nullpuppy | should be ups |
| 06:06.25 | kd8ikt | too manny people like to think of the net as a "fictional fantasy land" if more poeple treated it like hanging out at a pub/or whatever public place ... |
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| 06:06.36 | rivalarrival | What order are they up to? |
| 06:06.49 | nullpuppy | dunno, i've heard around 1300 |
| 06:06.58 | nullpuppy | i'm 1539 and haven't heard anything yet |
| 06:07.15 | rivalarrival | I'm 1828, I believe... |
| 06:07.25 | rooly | 2-3 weeks is my time frame |
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| 06:07.57 | ozzloy | i'm 1660 |
| 06:08.11 | ozzloy | pleased to meet you 1539, 1828 |
| 06:08.18 | nullpuppy | i was foolishly optimistic and was hoping it'd ship early this week. should have paid for better shipping |
| 06:08.21 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 06:08.52 | ozzloy | more time to decide what bluetooth keyboard to get |
| 06:08.53 | rivalarrival | Did they start at 1 or at 1000? |
| 06:09.15 | nullpuppy | i'm guessing a more or less random number, but i have no idea |
| 06:09.33 | rooly | probably 1 |
| 06:09.46 | rooly | cause they were sold out before i ever got the info that there was a release |
| 06:09.50 | kd8ikt | why a keyboard? its got wifi/bluetooth/usb as network options , just use ssh |
| 06:09.53 | KrisAbsinthe | how do I turn down the LCD |
| 06:09.54 | mmontour | probably around 1000, and not every number is an actual order |
| 06:10.30 | KrisAbsinthe | ozzloy: i got the PS3 logitech KB and its nice, both the KB and mouse pad works |
| 06:10.33 | mmontour | rooly: are you talking about the 900MHz model? |
| 06:10.45 | kd8ikt | ssh openmoko then export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 06:10.45 | rivalarrival | How many did they produce? |
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| 06:10.55 | rooly | 400, iirc |
| 06:11.00 | rooly | whatever was on openmoko.com |
| 06:11.08 | kd8ikt | serious thats it? |
| 06:11.14 | ieatlint | i heard 1367 say he got a ups tracking num |
| 06:11.18 | ieatlint | at 5:43pm PDT |
| 06:11.19 | rooly | or do you mean it's gsm |
| 06:11.24 | rooly | if so, no, the 850 |
| 06:11.35 | rooly | hell, yeah, the 900 was sold out too |
| 06:11.35 | ieatlint | i'm 1459... nothing here |
| 06:12.42 | walrustown | anybody know if the FR is brickable? or is the flashing utility in ROM? |
| 06:13.05 | mmontour | it looks like all of the 900s went to European resellers - the OM store never had them in stock. |
| 06:13.52 | ieatlint | walrustown, you need the devboard in order to brick it... |
| 06:14.02 | mmontour | walrustown: not brickable - there's a version of u-boot in NOR flash that can only be written with a debug board |
| 06:14.09 | walrustown | ahh, yay |
| 06:14.14 | rooly | horay |
| 06:14.17 | walrustown | that relieves a minor terror |
| 06:14.19 | ChandleWEi | my input method is very odd ,how to change input mehtod to qwert? |
| 06:14.21 | rooly | no more htc bullstuff |
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| 06:14.51 | rooly | had is hermes brick at the airport 2 weeks ago... |
| 06:15.04 | rooly | been phoneless ever since |
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| 06:15.38 | walrustown | daymn |
| 06:16.06 | walrustown | I wonder how long before we can get our cell phones implanted in our brains |
| 06:16.09 | rooly | i got off the plane to catch a connection...pulled out my phone to turn it on and check the time...brick |
| 06:16.13 | kd8ikt | ah i found it http://xkcd.com/281/ |
| 06:16.33 | walrustown | rooly: just... a brick? no explanation? that's painful |
| 06:16.39 | kd8ikt | someone should drop that in the topic ;) |
| 06:16.46 | rooly | yeah, no explination |
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| 06:17.08 | kd8ikt | air preasure? |
| 06:17.15 | ieatlint | hehe, good comic :) |
| 06:17.16 | rivalarrival | peer pressure |
| 06:17.27 | kd8ikt | pressure |
| 06:17.28 | rooly | on a circuit? i've never known that to affect one |
| 06:17.31 | ieatlint | it can't be air pressure |
| 06:17.40 | ieatlint | plus, the cabin is generally pressurised |
| 06:17.47 | kd8ikt | hm i know a lil lcd watch i had busted |
| 06:17.53 | kd8ikt | after a plane trip |
| 06:18.02 | rooly | oh, the hardware was perfect |
| 06:18.06 | rooly | it was a winmo phone tho |
| 06:18.13 | rooly | FSCK!!!! |
| 06:18.15 | Robot101 | ieatlint: the pressure does fall up until it's the lowest they can get away with |
| 06:18.16 | rooly | i don't want to look at qtopia |
| 06:18.17 | ieatlint | a plane trip at 40k feet is equiv to something like 6-9k elevation |
| 06:18.22 | rooly | i want to see the gtk interface! |
| 06:18.29 | Robot101 | right |
| 06:18.34 | Robot101 | but it's still quite high :D |
| 06:18.50 | ieatlint | yeah, well, don't go to the mountains here then :P |
| 06:19.24 | ieatlint | i need to make a beer run... hmm |
| 06:19.25 | walrustown | no wonder I can sleep on planes so easily |
| 06:19.57 | rivalarrival | yeah, it's also why some people go crazy, and why alcohol seems to have a greater effect. |
| 06:19.59 | Robot101 | well, pressurising a plane is pretty hard and pretty expensive |
| 06:20.02 | rooly | oh, btw, anyone that lives near colorado, you have no idea what real heat is |
| 06:20.26 | ieatlint | what's real heat like? |
| 06:20.36 | rooly | well, for one thing, you sweat |
| 06:20.40 | rooly | profusely |
| 06:21.01 | rivalarrival | and continuously? |
| 06:21.01 | ieatlint | we've a heat wave here in california |
| 06:21.01 | rooly | there's no breeze |
| 06:21.01 | rooly | the air is stuffy |
| 06:21.02 | rooly | and it feels like an oven |
| 06:21.13 | rooly | which is louisiana on a cool winter day |
| 06:21.15 | ieatlint | it hit about 70f/20c today.... pretty hot |
| 06:21.23 | rooly | (not really, buy ya know) |
| 06:21.37 | walrustown | It's been 107+ down here in tucson |
| 06:21.57 | kd8ikt | isnt there a forest fire in CA right now aswell |
| 06:22.06 | rivalarrival | Can the wifi module be put into AP mode? |
| 06:22.07 | ieatlint | several, yeah |
| 06:22.14 | ieatlint | rivalarrival, no |
| 06:22.27 | rivalarrival | Ad hoc? |
| 06:22.32 | ieatlint | yes |
| 06:22.34 | kd8ikt | oh noes all the peyote is on fire |
| 06:23.00 | rooly | i was up in the mountains working for exxon (another story, btw), and it got over 100 some days |
| 06:23.21 | rooly | but it never felt worse than maybe 75 in louisiana terms |
| 06:23.37 | kd8ikt | humid heat sucks |
| 06:23.44 | ieatlint | i was in maryland during a heatwave once |
| 06:23.51 | ieatlint | 80% humidity, 98f |
| 06:24.10 | ieatlint | the AC managed to get the house down to high 80s and 40% humidity |
| 06:24.19 | ieatlint | felt cool in comparison to the outside, heh |
| 06:25.13 | ieatlint | ok, me get beer... beer good |
| 06:25.49 | kd8ikt | dont say that its am2:25 here |
| 06:25.51 | rooly | wow |
| 06:25.57 | rooly | i'm loving this gtk thing |
| 06:26.05 | rooly | got it working |
| 06:26.13 | rivalarrival | Heh, we had a heatwave in Monterey, CA once... It got all the way up to about 85! |
| 06:26.33 | rivalarrival | I hated monterey. |
| 06:26.49 | kd8ikt | neat got qemu/openmoko to boot |
| 06:27.04 | rivalarrival | OOOh, I forgot about that! |
| 06:27.10 | rivalarrival | goes to play with qemu |
| 06:27.31 | kd8ikt | ok who put a pic of boots during the bootscreen |
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| 06:27.54 | rooly | yeah |
| 06:28.32 | rooly | hmm |
| 06:28.48 | rooly | why doesn't the space or enter key seem to affect the emulator after it has been turned on? |
| 06:29.08 | kd8ikt | click the winder |
| 06:29.28 | rooly | i even went so far as to lock the input to that window |
| 06:29.29 | rooly | nada |
| 06:30.41 | kd8ikt | never cared for bootsplashes myself i like watching every lil dumb thing its doing/loading/starting |
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| 06:33.25 | rooly | well, same here |
| 06:33.32 | rooly | but it's something you show off to your friends |
| 06:33.45 | rooly | they see that whole "ooo, look at the scrolling text, how ugly" |
| 06:33.58 | rooly | and chide you for having a phone that's smarter than they are |
| 06:34.13 | kd8ikt | well dont emulate windows doing nothing percentbar |
| 06:34.24 | rooly | lol |
| 06:34.37 | rooly | yeah, gotta love that |
| 06:34.46 | rooly | the little bar is moving...and moving...and nothing is happening |
| 06:35.00 | rooly | seems sometimes that more processor time is spent moving that bar than booting your computer |
| 06:36.04 | kd8ikt | i like the echo of whats going on |
| 06:36.18 | rooly | dang |
| 06:36.22 | ozzloy | rooly: first boot of your freerunner? |
| 06:36.31 | rooly | emulator |
| 06:36.35 | Ainulindale | Does someone know if there's any kind of documentation about phonekit ? |
| 06:36.42 | daMaestro | anyone get tracking numbers? |
| 06:36.50 | kd8ikt | and if it got to be a perfect boot i'd have those echo's / kernel printk's removed and just see a blank screen till X poped up |
| 06:36.51 | rooly | and the space bar doesn't effect it as a power button after it's finished booting |
| 06:37.22 | rooly | but anyway |
| 06:37.24 | kd8ikt | daMaestro: http://xkcd.com/281/ |
| 06:37.33 | rooly | dang, i forgot how to emulate an SD card |
| 06:37.39 | rooly | i wanna see the media player in action |
| 06:37.43 | daMaestro | mwhahahhah |
| 06:38.07 | *** topic/#openmoko by daMaestro -> Buy Freerunner at http://openmoko.com/ , or linked distributors. | Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | Software means it's _NOT_ a stable phone, even for the expert user. This will change as more is developed. | #openmoko-cdevel for community dev efforts | Shipping status updates: http://xkcd.com/281/ |
| 06:38.16 | kd8ikt | hah |
| 06:38.48 | chillywilly | bah |
| 06:38.50 | chillywilly | must sleep |
| 06:39.18 | kd8ikt | is suddenly compelled to design an openmoko xkcd |
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| 06:46.40 | methril | morning |
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| 06:48.48 | kd8ikt | iwas just thinking... how i read that the moko sucks at keeping accurate time hence the need for ntp... but like my cellphone gets its time via the service provider... |
| 06:49.32 | kd8ikt | dont think it uses gprs and if it does i'm not getting charged for this constant action |
| 06:49.59 | kd8ikt | maybe takes time stamps somehow from the celltowers/network? |
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| 06:50.31 | kd8ikt | libgsm? |
| 06:52.54 | Ainulindale | mickey|zzZZzz: there's a cruel lack of information on phonekit :-/ |
| 06:53.23 | Ainulindale | If someone has some information on it by the way I'm interested |
| 06:53.33 | Ainulindale | I'm trying to find what's the integer on phonekit StatusChanged signal |
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| 07:03.00 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:04.17 | ernst | guten Morgen |
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| 07:04.23 | ernst | Laba Diena |
| 07:05.16 | kd8ikt | dude it must be a gsm thingy |
| 07:06.20 | kd8ikt | like "hey tower can you see me?" "oh yeah btw my clock says blah balh" |
| 07:06.41 | kd8ikt | do we have that sort of raw diagnostic with the gsmd? |
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| 07:07.19 | kd8ikt | or is gsmd proprietary |
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| 07:11.58 | rooly | nn |
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| 07:27.52 | HauDyrArb | morning |
| 07:29.35 | trickie | moring |
| 07:29.44 | trickie | or morning - coffee |
| 07:31.25 | alphabea1 | steps away from pre-coffee person |
| 07:31.50 | trickie | its ok now... i just drained the mug |
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| 07:37.08 | Ainulindale | Still no one to point me to resources on phonekit signals ? |
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| 07:46.40 | ecraven | hey ;) is there a way to run a newer version than milestone 1 of fso? are the code repositories accessible? |
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| 07:49.18 | Wander_w | ecraven: yes, there is access to the code repositories |
| 07:49.38 | Wander_w | ecraven: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomakefile |
| 07:49.58 | charlie137 | hi ecraven |
| 07:50.31 | charlie137 | you can use frameworkd package using opkg |
| 07:50.33 | charlie137 | but |
| 07:50.33 | Wander_w | ecraven: the GIT branches are summed up in there as well (do a search for ASU) |
| 07:51.05 | charlie137 | the head of development for the framework is not working currently |
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| 07:51.24 | ecraven | do i understand correctly that fso is mostly python? |
| 07:51.24 | charlie137 | some bugs have been introduced |
| 07:51.32 | ecraven | charlie137: so head of FSO doesn't work atm? |
| 07:51.34 | charlie137 | fso is using the framework |
| 07:51.42 | charlie137 | which is entirely in python |
| 07:51.45 | ecraven | ah, ok |
| 07:51.53 | charlie137 | ecraven: no |
| 07:51.55 | ecraven | i like the interface of fso much more than the others |
| 07:51.57 | charlie137 | I tried today |
| 07:52.02 | charlie137 | really ? |
| 07:52.02 | ecraven | ;( |
| 07:52.10 | charlie137 | then you should have a look at tichy :) |
| 07:52.13 | ecraven | yes, but the buttons should be bigger still |
| 07:52.36 | ecraven | tichy? |
| 07:52.42 | charlie137 | svn checkout svn://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/tichy |
| 07:52.52 | ecraven | screenshots? |
| 07:52.57 | charlie137 | old screen shots : |
| 07:53.08 | charlie137 | http://charlie137-2.blogspot.com/2008/07/introducing-tichy.html |
| 07:53.18 | charlie137 | i redone the style it looks much better now |
| 07:53.46 | ecraven | ;) i'd make the buttons even bigger! use as much space as possible for the dialler |
| 07:53.51 | charlie137 | you can even try it on your desktop computer |
| 07:54.09 | charlie137 | just download the source, go into tichy/test |
| 07:54.15 | charlie137 | and run python test.py |
| 07:54.30 | charlie137 | (well, you will have to install a few python libraries too) |
| 07:55.50 | charlie137 | and the last version has better buttons in the dialer :) |
| 07:55.56 | Wander_w | the drawing screen should have the colors on the buttons as well (the actual colors, not the names) |
| 07:56.36 | charlie137 | yes |
| 07:56.38 | charlie137 | right |
| 07:56.49 | charlie137 | but i just use this drawing app as test |
| 07:56.58 | charlie137 | so i don't care too much (for the moment) |
| 07:57.31 | charlie137 | i just wanted to show that direct canvas drawing was easy |
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| 07:58.59 | Wander_w | oh ok |
| 07:59.23 | Wander_w | I bet a drawing app is going to be popular with non-technical ppl |
| 07:59.28 | charlie137 | yes |
| 07:59.56 | charlie137 | and a python applets manager that let anybody write applications in 5 minutes too |
| 08:00.02 | Wander_w | especially if you can draw over pictures |
| 08:00.11 | Wander_w | oh no wait... there's no camera on the neo :( |
| 08:00.41 | ieatlint | how often do geeks really use the cameras on mobile phones... |
| 08:00.50 | ecraven | i *hate* the cameras ;) |
| 08:01.05 | ieatlint | i use mine on very rare occasion, heh |
| 08:01.08 | charlie137 | I never owned a camera |
| 08:01.21 | charlie137 | so i like to have one in my mobile personally |
| 08:01.37 | ieatlint | plus, a phone without a camera isn't banned from strip clubs, bordellos and swinger resorts |
| 08:02.15 | charlie137 | good point |
| 08:02.25 | Wander_w | ecraven: they do come in handy once in a while.. But I agreed that some people just use then a *little* to much |
| 08:02.30 | ecraven | charlie137: very nice, this is mostly what i think it should be like (only sometimes too much clicking) |
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| 08:03.04 | ecraven | charlie137: how do i get to the dialler? can i scroll down? |
| 08:03.09 | leinirAWAY | Wander_w: There's no camera, no, but it's USB host and has a potentially lage storage :) |
| 08:03.10 | charlie137 | yes |
| 08:03.11 | ecraven | ah, found it |
| 08:03.24 | charlie137 | and if you click on the title bar a menu pops up |
| 08:03.29 | ecraven | need a button to backspace numbers in the dialer |
| 08:03.36 | charlie137 | (well, if the application defines a menu) |
| 08:03.40 | charlie137 | yes |
| 08:03.48 | charlie137 | many things are indeed needed |
| 08:04.06 | charlie137 | for the moment it is more a proof of concept |
| 08:04.19 | ieatlint | the main thing i want to see with the freerunner at the moment, is a fucking ups tracking number :P |
| 08:04.19 | ecraven | may i help with this? (though i have to learn python first) |
| 08:04.21 | charlie137 | all the applications are plugins (in the plugind directory) |
| 08:04.35 | charlie137 | if you want to help |
| 08:04.42 | leinirAWAY | So a good image viewer (i see Gwenview basically verbatim as a distinct possibility there) would be, well... :) |
| 08:04.46 | charlie137 | you can have a look at the applications (in the plugin directory) |
| 08:05.03 | ecraven | charlie137: i will |
| 08:05.12 | ecraven | i want an sms application ;) |
| 08:05.13 | charlie137 | try to write some other one, and let me know how it feels |
| 08:05.16 | Wander_w | leinirAWAY: yeah I know.. but I was wondering how non-technicnical people would use the neo.. they aren't going to use external USB camera's |
| 08:05.24 | ecraven | charlie137: will do. is there any documentation about the framework? |
| 08:05.49 | charlie137 | for the framework : http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Main_Page |
| 08:05.53 | leinirAWAY | Wander_w: They can still stick images, videos and music on a 4 or 8 gig microSD :) |
| 08:05.53 | charlie137 | and also : |
| 08:06.04 | charlie137 | http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Tutorials/GSM_python |
| 08:06.19 | charlie137 | but, if you use tichy, you don't need to use the framework directly |
| 08:06.37 | charlie137 | you have to use tichy service system instead |
| 08:07.06 | leinirAWAY | Though there would be good reasons for making an entirely new, small form factor centric viewer (with PopUpDropper support perchance ;) ) especially for the OpenMoko platform :) |
| 08:07.30 | Wander_w | leinirAWAY: oh yeah.. that sounds like fun.. take a picture of a friend in the train (with you "real" camera) wait until you are at a computer, transfer pictures to SD, wait for friend to be in the same train as you again, then use your moko to draw a mustache on your friends face |
| 08:07.37 | Wander_w | great fun |
| 08:08.06 | ieatlint | get a camera with bluetooth and your problem's solved |
| 08:08.14 | leinirAWAY | Or just transfer images from friend's phones via... ieatlint said it ;) |
| 08:08.23 | rivalarrival | Wander_w: I don't think the target audience is anyone but technical people, at least not yet... I plan on using my own camera with an eye-fi card, and have the freerunner act as an internet gateway. |
| 08:08.41 | alphabea1 | i'd like a fancy DSLR w/bluetooth :D |
| 08:09.10 | ieatlint | from what i have seen of the neo1973 while playing with someone else's for an hour.... no consumer in could hope to use it |
| 08:09.20 | mjr | rivalarrival, does the eye-fi do ad hco mode though, since the fr cannot be an ap? |
| 08:09.29 | mjr | anyway, to answer Wander_w 's question, nontechies aren't going to use the fr as a camera, simple |
| 08:09.31 | ieatlint | also, anyone who doesn't know linux... good luck |
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| 08:09.34 | ecraven | charlie137: does tichy use gtk? |
| 08:09.34 | Wander_w | rivalarrival: yeah I know that at the moment it's not a "all-peoples" phone; but a camera is rather essential if you ever do want them as customers |
| 08:09.44 | mjr | (neither are the techies) |
| 08:09.52 | ieatlint | as is faster than edge data |
| 08:10.01 | ieatlint | err, faster than gprs ... edge would be more acceptable |
| 08:10.21 | charlie137 | ecraven: no, direct SDL |
| 08:10.35 | charlie137 | but i wrote the code in such a way that I can change that in the future |
| 08:10.36 | mjr | Wander_w, no it's not. "Essential" it's only for a subset of "normal people" |
| 08:10.39 | rivalarrival | mjr: I honestly haven't used the eye-fi card much, but I believe it does have the option. There are also efforts to modify the firmware on the cards for additional functionality. |
| 08:10.50 | ecraven | charlie137: nice ;) |
| 08:10.54 | charlie137 | I'll use any widget toolkit that can look as good as what I can do with SDL |
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| 08:11.10 | ecraven | charlie137: how fast is this on the phone? |
| 08:11.11 | Wander_w | mjr: yeah, a subset which is an order of magnitude larger than the current market of the neo |
| 08:11.21 | charlie137 | in fact, the thing is done in such a way, that you could almost use html render as a backend |
| 08:11.29 | charlie137 | it is fast |
| 08:11.36 | rivalarrival | As far as needing a camera on the phone - I've never used the camera on my old phone for anything but "Hey, neat, my phone has a camera!" |
| 08:11.41 | mjr | Wander_w, doesn't really matter since it's not going to appeal to those people anyway for now |
| 08:11.42 | ieatlint | a cell phone camera can be convenient, but the quality will always lack since you'll never be able to get a decent lens/sensor onto a cell phone (disregard this message 5-10 years from now) |
| 08:11.48 | charlie137 | but not as fast as it should be |
| 08:12.03 | charlie137 | i didn't concentrated on performances yet |
| 08:12.45 | charlie137 | to run it on OM, you have to compile the cython files first, otherwise it will be too slow |
| 08:12.51 | ieatlint | what we need is a small usb hub powered by the same li-ion batteries as the FR, so we'll always have a spare battery, and a way to charge a spare |
| 08:12.55 | Wander_w | mjr: I know.. but I like to look ahead, at the future.. preferable with neo's everywhere |
| 08:13.03 | ecraven | charlie137: very cool ;) |
| 08:13.03 | rivalarrival | At this price point with the current feature set, it's only going to appeal to techies and people who have a grudge against apple. |
| 08:13.13 | ecraven | charlie137: does tichy support gps and the accelerometers yet? |
| 08:13.16 | charlie137 | no |
| 08:13.20 | mjr | Wander_w, GTA03 on the other hand will have a cam and though it will probably take quite a while to get that out, the timeframe shouldn't be a lot longer than what it take to get the software up to the "normal person who wants a crappy camera" category as well. |
| 08:13.30 | rivalarrival | er, s/feature/software |
| 08:13.42 | ecraven | charlie137: what does test multilines do? |
| 08:13.47 | charlie137 | nothing :) |
| 08:13.52 | charlie137 | just a test :) |
| 08:14.06 | charlie137 | with a multi line label |
| 08:14.10 | Wander_w | mjr: are you sure it will have a camera? |
| 08:14.23 | mjr | Wander_w, only as sure as the openmoko people have said its going to |
| 08:15.06 | Wander_w | mjr: ah great! any other features? (I heard they are going to scrap the 3d decelerator |
| 08:15.47 | mjr | the gpu is being scrapped yeah for having too many tradeoffs |
| 08:16.32 | mjr | the plan at least is to have full quad gsm and edge data on that as well, and a new case. That's probably mostly it on what's gonna be different. |
| 08:16.46 | ieatlint | not to mention, being on the same bus as the sd reader significantly reduces its usefulness |
| 08:16.59 | mjr | that counts as a tradeoff |
| 08:17.12 | mjr | and it's not on the same bus, it's the same chip :] |
| 08:17.16 | mjr | +just |
| 08:17.21 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 08:17.27 | ieatlint | splitting hairs .. |
| 08:17.41 | ieatlint | never say anything that starts with "well, technically..." |
| 08:18.11 | mjr | I didn't start with that ;) |
| 08:18.27 | ecraven | mjr: what's the estimate on that? few months? half a year? |
| 08:18.32 | Wander_w | well, technically you did |
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| 08:18.40 | ieatlint | :) |
| 08:18.44 | mjr | no estimate |
| 08:18.52 | ieatlint | i'm 2 beers into the night, so i'm just teasing |
| 08:19.11 | mjr | personally I wouldn't expect it before late next spring |
| 08:19.18 | rivalarrival | Well, technically, I'd be happy with a tracking number for the e-mail that's going to be deliverying my UPS tracking number. |
| 08:19.24 | mjr | but I'm not an openmoko guy |
| 08:19.29 | ecraven | mjr: good, so i didn't get my FR for nothing ;) |
| 08:19.32 | rivalarrival | Yes, I said deliverying. |
| 08:19.36 | mjr | just keeping informed |
| 08:19.38 | ieatlint | rivalarrival, what number are you? |
| 08:19.41 | rivalarrival | 1828 |
| 08:19.57 | ieatlint | at this rate, your order will ship friday or monday, heh |
| 08:20.13 | Wander_w | ieatlint: well.. I'm 2 coffee's into the morning, So I don't like the teasing :P |
| 08:20.26 | rivalarrival | last I heard, they were up to 1300 - anything change? |
| 08:20.27 | ieatlint | crazy dutch bustard |
| 08:20.40 | mjr | ecraven, yeah, you shouldn't |
| 08:20.45 | mjr | have |
| 08:20.45 | ieatlint | #1367 said he got a ups tracking num |
| 08:21.05 | ieatlint | that's the highest i've heard |
| 08:21.05 | Wander_w | crazy gunslinging USAian |
| 08:21.07 | ecraven | mjr: i shouldn't have gotten one? |
| 08:21.12 | ieatlint | i decline that description |
| 08:21.20 | ieatlint | i don't own a gun, and i live in the bear flag republic |
| 08:21.29 | mjr | ecraven, shouldn't have gotten it for nothing |
| 08:21.35 | ecraven | ;) hope so |
| 08:21.49 | rivalarrival | I don't own a gun either, but I'm glad my neighbors probably do. |
| 08:22.00 | mjr | I mean really, look at how long the fr took after gta01, the 03 isn't gonna be overnight ;) |
| 08:22.32 | ieatlint | i doubt any of my neighbours own guns... and if they do, it's technically a federal crime to discharge it under any circumstances |
| 08:22.57 | mjr | and also, the 03 isn't gonna be _that_ different from the 02, some incremental improvements |
| 08:23.16 | ecraven | charlie137: who's working on the FSO? the om people? or are they working on ASU? |
| 08:23.17 | rivalarrival | Since when is it a *federal* crime to discharge a firearm? |
| 08:23.32 | ieatlint | i could probably go put my wallet down on the sidewalk and pick it up tomorrow .. unless someone else decided to deliver it to me |
| 08:23.59 | charlie137 | ecraven: the leader is Mickey |
| 08:24.01 | ieatlint | rivalarrival, it's a federal crime to discharge a firearm in a national park |
| 08:24.09 | charlie137 | he is a freelance |
| 08:24.09 | aggtrfrad | so did any of the FRs reached to the reciptients at all? still to ship? |
| 08:24.12 | rivalarrival | Ah, I see. |
| 08:24.29 | ieatlint | or be in possession of one, unless transporting it through it, or in a leased/owned residence |
| 08:24.32 | Wander_w | aggtrfrad: some people got the FR's yes |
| 08:24.33 | charlie137 | then there is me :) |
| 08:24.38 | charlie137 | working for OM |
| 08:25.27 | rivalarrival | Well, with the supreme court ruling re: DC's handgun ban, and the suits against Chicago, I'd say it's just a matter of time before that particular rule is scrapped as well... |
| 08:25.31 | ieatlint | i live in san francisco, on federal land, and i fully resent any generalisations foreigners have of americans :P |
| 08:25.45 | rivalarrival | Yeah, but that's cause you're gay. :-) |
| 08:25.51 | Wander_w | ieatlint: ah.. so your fat as well? |
| 08:25.51 | ieatlint | nope |
| 08:26.07 | ieatlint | no, i'm very skinny |
| 08:26.18 | rivalarrival | And he shops at walmart |
| 08:26.35 | ieatlint | the closest walmart is at least an hour away by car |
| 08:26.53 | rivalarrival | Heh, lucky bastard. |
| 08:27.05 | rivalarrival | I've got 3 walmarts within 20 minutes of me. |
| 08:27.22 | rivalarrival | And I DON'T shop at walmart. |
| 08:27.39 | HauDyrArb | not even jus a little |
| 08:27.42 | ieatlint | people in this area avoid walmart |
| 08:27.45 | rivalarrival | Which sucks, because they are putting everyone out of business. |
| 08:27.50 | Wander_w | nonsense! ALL americans are fat, gun-slinging, big-truck-driving ignorant bastard! :P |
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| 08:27.57 | HauDyrArb | AMEN |
| 08:28.01 | ieatlint | lol |
| 08:28.17 | rivalarrival | HauDyrArb: I stopped shopping at walmart awhile ago after they tried to have me arrested. |
| 08:29.04 | HauDyrArb | why, were you trying the guns? |
| 08:29.05 | BDo | Wander_w, is America not the 2nd biggest market for the Toyota Prius ? :-° |
| 08:29.06 | rivalarrival | Wander_w: Don't forget rabid Christian... |
| 08:29.16 | ieatlint | i drive a honda civic on rare occasion (a manual even, a rare find here in the states), i can name at least 20 EU members, locate canada on a map, and countless other things most americans can't |
| 08:29.31 | ieatlint | and i don't own a gun, or eat excessively :P |
| 08:29.38 | ieatlint | or drink cheap american beer |
| 08:30.27 | HauDyrArb | tsk tsk |
| 08:30.43 | Wander_w | ieatlint: so next thing you're gonna tell me you're driving a diesel? |
| 08:31.01 | ieatlint | no, but the clich? would be bio-diesel |
| 08:31.06 | ieatlint | or a hybrid |
| 08:31.20 | ieatlint | federal laws prevent the operation of most diesel cars |
| 08:31.29 | ieatlint | only a handful are allowed |
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| 08:31.33 | HauDyrArb | i hope you dont drive a hybrid, then you have to smell your own farts :-) |
| 08:31.39 | rivalarrival | HauDyrArb: No, I walked out the door. I'm a bit hard of hearing - apparently, their "greeter" tried to stop me to check my receipt, and when I "ignored" him, they built a human shield around my car and called the cops. |
| 08:31.51 | ieatlint | it's a manual gasoline vehicle :P |
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| 08:32.13 | ieatlint | 37mpg freeway, 35mpg city (including the way i drive it) |
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| 08:32.49 | rivalarrival | My S10 got 30/27... Sadly, it needs a bit of work before I can drive it again. |
| 08:32.53 | HauDyrArb | rivalarrival, Guilty until prooven innocent |
| 08:33.43 | rivalarrival | HauDyrArb: Yeah, I'm still thinking about suing them... The fucking security asshole walked across the parking lot just to blow smoke in my face. |
| 08:34.23 | HauDyrArb | rivalarrival, aah lawsuits the backbone of america |
| 08:34.26 | ieatlint | that's 6.36l/100km and 6.7l/100km, for you euro folks |
| 08:34.30 | rivalarrival | :-D |
| 08:35.17 | rivalarrival | Damn uppity europeans. |
| 08:36.06 | ieatlint | eh, i do pretty well shutting them up when they try to make generalisations about americans |
| 08:36.14 | ieatlint | i voted for a black guy |
| 08:36.22 | ieatlint | so don't harass me |
| 08:36.36 | rivalarrival | A black guy ran for office? |
| 08:36.50 | ieatlint | yeah, he was a secret muslim too |
| 08:36.56 | Ainulindale | Yes you're right, you should use units that are not based on a logical metric but on some english traditions :-) |
| 08:37.00 | ieatlint | terrorist fist jabs and all |
| 08:37.04 | Wander_w | well.. MY civic does 5.3l/100km |
| 08:37.08 | rivalarrival | A black muslim guy ran for office in the US? |
| 08:37.09 | Ainulindale | Makes so much sense ! |
| 08:37.12 | Ainulindale | </Sarcasm> |
| 08:37.19 | Wander_w | take that you gassguzzeling american! |
| 08:37.27 | ieatlint | hah |
| 08:37.40 | ieatlint | i stand by my vehicle, it is efficient for its purpose |
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| 08:38.00 | ieatlint | especially when i am constantly surrounded by cars that get 16+l/100km |
| 08:38.24 | rivalarrival | I need an electric vehicle that can go AT LEAST 100 miles at 60mph between charges. |
| 08:38.32 | ieatlint | and before you go praising the metric system, remember that its french |
| 08:38.39 | Wander_w | rivalarrival: telsa roadster? |
| 08:39.00 | rivalarrival | la metric systeme (with a gay little cirlyque over some of the vowels) |
| 08:39.17 | Ainulindale | rivalarrival: "le système métrique" |
| 08:39.24 | ieatlint | don't be insulting the gays now... i may not be gay, but i do live in san franisco :P |
| 08:39.26 | rivalarrival | Wander_w: Oh yeah - and I'm only willing to pay a maximum of $5000 |
| 08:39.26 | Ainulindale | In french :-) |
| 08:39.38 | Wander_w | what's wrong with frenchies? (except that they smell, make lousy cars and talk funny) |
| 08:39.45 | swc|666 | lol |
| 08:39.47 | rivalarrival | And they smell funny |
| 08:39.52 | ieatlint | actually, i've no problem with peugeots |
| 08:39.59 | Ainulindale | Peugeots sucks |
| 08:40.01 | ieatlint | they're arrogant bastards |
| 08:40.05 | Wander_w | rivalarrival: ah... uhm.. a souped-up segway then perhaps? |
| 08:40.10 | Ainulindale | -s |
| 08:40.15 | ieatlint | and i speak from personal experience |
| 08:40.23 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: You didn't meet the right ones |
| 08:40.28 | HauDyrArb | Citroén Dont |
| 08:40.30 | Ainulindale | There is stupid people everywhere |
| 08:40.33 | rivalarrival | Wander_w: Heh, pretty much... I'm gonna end up with a bike. |
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| 08:40.46 | Ainulindale | (Especially in the USA and San Francisco I heard :-p) |
| 08:40.55 | ieatlint | well, you tell that to the lille customs officer who decided to stick his hand in my pants without warning |
| 08:41.30 | HauDyrArb | nice was she hot |
| 08:41.38 | Ainulindale | Customs officer are the same everywhere |
| 08:41.38 | ieatlint | he was not |
| 08:41.41 | Ainulindale | +s |
| 08:41.58 | Ainulindale | Same thing for cops, try to joke with one, american or french, same thing |
| 08:42.05 | Ainulindale | (except you won't get shot in france) |
| 08:42.21 | Ainulindale | (or at least end in handcuffs :-p) |
| 08:42.27 | ieatlint | the coolest guy i have met in france -- over 5 visits, was an immigrant waiter who saved my phone from being stolen by some other bastards |
| 08:42.34 | rivalarrival | I dunno - I've met a few good cops around here. |
| 08:42.45 | ieatlint | yeah, i joke with cops all the time |
| 08:42.45 | rivalarrival | They are all completely incompetent, but I've met a few god ones. |
| 08:42.45 | Ainulindale | rivalarrival: same here, but the average one is, well, like the average person |
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| 08:43.02 | ieatlint | my niece is engaged to one, they're really nice as long as you don't give them shit |
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| 08:43.27 | Ainulindale | ieatlint: it's funny because you said |
| 08:43.29 | Ainulindale | 10:40:02 < ieatlint> they're arrogant bastards |
| 08:43.38 | ieatlint | yeah, the french are |
| 08:43.40 | Ainulindale | And now that's you who's arrogant :-) |
| 08:43.45 | Ainulindale | But hey, nevermind |
| 08:43.48 | Ainulindale | Coffeebreak for me :-) |
| 08:43.53 | ieatlint | of course i'm arrogant |
| 08:44.03 | ieatlint | i'm an american and a linux geek |
| 08:44.04 | rivalarrival | Yeah, don't give them ANY shit... For instance, don't say "Can you kindly remove your boot from my testicles? They are starting to chafe" |
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| 08:44.15 | ieatlint | ... and i live in san francisco |
| 08:44.20 | HauDyrArb | rivalarrival, LOL |
| 08:44.58 | ieatlint | i got out of a ticket for going 75mph on a 50mph windy road in mountains because i didn't bullshit the cop |
| 08:45.29 | ieatlint | i just was honest, up front, and remorseful without being a drama queen |
| 08:45.31 | rivalarrival | Anyway, yeah, so, to hell with guns. I'm developing a medical condition where I need a service animal - a 150 lb German Shepherd/Doberman mix. |
| 08:46.27 | ieatlint | my plan is to get german citizenship since my friends tell me i can claim unemployment and get ?300+/mo after my rent from the government |
| 08:46.44 | rivalarrival | Nice. |
| 08:47.04 | rivalarrival | I'm going to get a mailbox-condo in Alaska. |
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| 08:47.22 | ieatlint | mmmm, alaskan amber ale |
| 08:47.30 | swc|666 | :/ |
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| 08:47.50 | HauDyrArb | ieatlint, if germany is like Denmark, then you have to go to job training and write CV's and stuff |
| 08:47.50 | Wander_w | ieatlint: well, if it's anything like here, you HAVE to send out sollicitations for jobs |
| 08:48.11 | Wander_w | (here for me is not denmark btw) |
| 08:48.16 | ieatlint | HauDyrArb, yeah, they tell me that you have to do that, but when you get an interview, you just show up drunk |
| 08:48.42 | Wander_w | or just sollicit for the job of CEO, CIO, C?O |
| 08:48.44 | Wander_w | etc |
| 08:48.48 | HauDyrArb | Wander_w, everyone knows that the main city of Denmark is Amsterdam :-) |
| 08:48.51 | ieatlint | yep |
| 08:49.08 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 08:49.14 | rivalarrival | All I know is that i never want to be tried by a committee too stupid to get out of jury duty. |
| 08:49.25 | HauDyrArb | or Stockholm |
| 08:49.31 | Wander_w | HauDyrArb: hehe :) |
| 08:49.46 | ieatlint | rivalarrival, well, good news.... a jury is a right, not a requisite |
| 08:49.56 | ieatlint | in the US, you have the right to trial by jury or by judge |
| 08:50.10 | ieatlint | people tend to choose jury |
| 08:50.11 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: Yeah, but the alternative is to be tried by a former lawyer. |
| 08:50.32 | ieatlint | yeah, it depends on the crime |
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| 08:50.37 | ecraven | charlie137: nice! just added a backspace button to the dialler, works beautifully |
| 08:50.42 | ieatlint | if sympathy or confusion is useful, do jury |
| 08:50.54 | ieatlint | if your arguments start with "well, technically..." .. do judge |
| 08:50.58 | ecraven | charlie137: how can i change button height/width? |
| 08:51.52 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: I'd never do something so stupid as to require confusion or sympathy... And I've never known a lawyer intelligent to understand a "well, technically" argument. |
| 08:53.15 | rivalarrival | My only hope is that I can convince a judge that a "jury of my peers" should be composed of people with a similar level of intelligence... |
| 08:53.18 | ieatlint | my lawyer understands it, he just tends to disregard them |
| 08:53.43 | HauDyrArb | rivalarrival, thats an universal law Lawyer IQ = Room tempreture |
| 08:53.58 | HauDyrArb | in C |
| 08:54.00 | ieatlint | "yeah, technically your sister lied under oath by contradicting herself several times, but that won't mean much" |
| 08:54.12 | ieatlint | "she'll just claim she was nervous, and misspoke" |
| 08:55.05 | rivalarrival | My lawyer was an idiot... My ex wife was earning more than me with lower living expenses. I've got 50/50 custody of my son. My lawyer somehow thinks that I should have been paying $200 a month child support to my ex wife. |
| 08:55.29 | rivalarrival | Her lawyer, of course, thought it should be 600. |
| 08:55.45 | ieatlint | $200 isn't bad |
| 08:56.13 | ieatlint | child support can be bullshit, but it's just how things are |
| 08:56.16 | rivalarrival | When I have my son 15 out of every 30 days, and she's earning more than me? |
| 08:56.22 | Wander_w | that's just... lemme get my calculator.... 10 euro? |
| 08:56.31 | ieatlint | hah |
| 08:56.44 | ieatlint | how old is your son? |
| 08:57.11 | ieatlint | the trick is to encourage him to get emancipated |
| 08:57.14 | ieatlint | :P |
| 08:57.26 | rivalarrival | 6 now. He's now going to school in my district. |
| 08:57.35 | HauDyrArb | ieatlint, watch your language :-) |
| 08:57.59 | ieatlint | uhm, ok |
| 08:58.12 | ieatlint | hey, that's another thing that sets me apart from most americans... my concept of grammar |
| 08:58.41 | ieatlint | like my ability to know that "y'all" is not needed, since "you" is already plural |
| 08:59.03 | rivalarrival | The problem was that my lawyer adjusted the amount downward to account for the fewer days she cared for him, but never adjusted her obligation upward because of the additional days I cared for him. |
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| 08:59.53 | wizkoder | hy everybody. I found this project yesterday and I am really excited about it. |
| 08:59.56 | Wander_w | ieatlint: gee, you should become a french person.. goes great with your attitude |
| 09:00.02 | rivalarrival | Apparently, to receive child support in Ohio, you have to have a vagina, and I was fresh out. |
| 09:00.13 | wizkoder | I want to get my game running on these smartphones |
| 09:00.26 | rivalarrival | Good for you |
| 09:00.29 | rivalarrival | :) |
| 09:00.47 | Wander_w | what kind of game? |
| 09:00.59 | wizkoder | www.lostlabyrinth.com |
| 09:01.01 | ieatlint | Wander_w, i don't need to |
| 09:01.04 | wizkoder | Is sdl running? |
| 09:01.37 | Wander_w | wizkoder: cool website |
| 09:01.40 | ieatlint | first of all, i don't speak a dying language, have a weird prejudice to islamic customs and i drink beer |
| 09:01.50 | rivalarrival | Sorry, the hardware only supports first-person shooters, not D&D knockoffs. |
| 09:01.53 | rivalarrival | :-) |
| 09:01.56 | ieatlint | i am quite arrogant enough coming from san francisco |
| 09:01.58 | wizkoder | lol |
| 09:02.31 | ieatlint | yay for d&d |
| 09:02.39 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: For the last time: "Gay" != "Arrogant" |
| 09:02.53 | ieatlint | indeed, my gay friends tend to be less arrogant |
| 09:02.53 | charlie137 | wizkoder: can your game run in 640 * 480 ? |
| 09:03.04 | leinir | wizkoder: You are not alone in wanting that game on openmoko, looks quite nifty ;) |
| 09:03.11 | rivalarrival | Can it run in 64 x 48? |
| 09:03.20 | ieatlint | 24x80? |
| 09:03.55 | rivalarrival | 1080i? |
| 09:04.03 | Wander_w | 1080p? |
| 09:04.07 | ieatlint | dude... 1080p is much better |
| 09:04.18 | ieatlint | plus, with 1080p, ntsc and pal are gone! :) |
| 09:04.26 | rivalarrival | yay! |
| 09:04.40 | rivalarrival | I wouldn't know - I'm ditching TV entirely. |
| 09:04.54 | ieatlint | i'm a video geek |
| 09:05.22 | HauDyrArb | ieatlint, yes 1080p is the only good choice |
| 09:05.32 | charlie137 | ok from the creenshot it looks like 640x480 |
| 09:05.44 | ieatlint | i tend to get tv programs in 720p though... which is acceptable |
| 09:06.44 | ecraven | charlie137: how can i put an icon on a button? |
| 09:06.48 | charlie137 | the game could run, sdl is working fine |
| 09:07.19 | charlie137 | ecraven: add an attribute to the class : icon = "my_icon.png" |
| 09:07.26 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3a409e572c9c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] fix lowlevel channel init if modem is not responding |
| 09:07.31 | HauDyrArb | charlie137, what game are you talking about? |
| 09:07.39 | charlie137 | where my_icon.png is a file in the same directory than your app |
| 09:07.40 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: hey there |
| 09:07.43 | wizkoder | yes the game is 640x480 pixel |
| 09:07.46 | ecraven | charlie137: i mean for the call/edit/.. buttons |
| 09:07.58 | charlie137 | HauDyrArb: http://www.lostlabyrinth.com |
| 09:08.00 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: Did you see what I asked you some hours ago ? |
| 09:08.28 | mickeyl | morning |
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| 09:08.35 | mickeyl | type of call? |
| 09:08.41 | mickeyl | did i forget to document that? |
| 09:08.45 | mickeyl | if so, sorry, will do asap |
| 09:08.46 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: Nope, solved that looking the sources |
| 09:08.48 | Ainulindale | But yet you forgot |
| 09:08.52 | Ainulindale | s/yet/yes/ |
| 09:09.00 | Ainulindale | My real problem was related to phonekit |
| 09:09.04 | mickeyl | ~lart mickeyl for being sloppy w/ docs |
| 09:09.04 | apt | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at mickeyl for being sloppy w/ docs |
| 09:09.07 | Ainulindale | And especially StatusChanged signal |
| 09:09.22 | Ainulindale | I don't know at all what is the integer argument |
| 09:09.36 | mickeyl | think of it as a handle for the call |
| 09:09.41 | Ainulindale | (And we were also wondering about SetDtmf methods and so on) |
| 09:09.43 | mickeyl | it usually is 1 |
| 09:09.49 | Ainulindale | (if we should use it to do a simple call) |
| 09:10.04 | Ainulindale | Is it useful in any manner for what we intend to do in SHR ? |
| 09:10.23 | Ainulindale | I meant : are the applications using phonekit supposed to use it ? |
| 09:10.27 | mickeyl | well, dtmf is useful for checking your answering machine and stuff |
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| 09:10.57 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: but phonekit doesn't have this kind of functionnality, right ? |
| 09:10.57 | mickeyl | if phonekit exposes this method, we need to adapt it |
| 09:10.57 | leinir | wizkoder: In that case, sure, should be entirely possible to stick it on te freerunner :) |
| 09:11.10 | charlie137 | ecraven: yes it is possible |
| 09:11.11 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: dunno offhand, but applications definitely want that |
| 09:11.14 | wizkoder | I will install qemu tonight and see how far I get. I do not own the hardware yet |
| 09:11.21 | mickeyl | i did not get around to implementing the dtmf functions |
| 09:11.25 | mickeyl | will try to do that later tonite |
| 09:11.29 | charlie137 | the same way it is done in the main window |
| 09:11.30 | mickeyl | so many tasks, so little time |
| 09:11.33 | leinir | wizkoder: Yet, of course, being the operative word? ;) |
| 09:11.33 | mickeyl | buried in work |
| 09:11.33 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: Hmmm. In fact if you have two minutes I would gladly take your opinion on what I wrote yesterday |
| 09:11.44 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: of course. where can i see? |
| 09:11.48 | Ainulindale | Just to see if I don't use ogsmd in a wrong manner |
| 09:12.12 | Ainulindale | https://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/phonekit-wrapper/dialer.py?rev=3&root=shr&view=markup |
| 09:12.18 | Ainulindale | It's a draft, please mind that :-) |
| 09:13.07 | Ainulindale | Oh I did some errors (didn't have the time to test it, as I don't have yet the freerunner and ogsmd won't start) |
| 09:13.20 | Ainulindale | Going to s/fsoBus/fsoCallBus/ |
| 09:13.37 | charlie137 | Ainulindale: what is phonekit ? |
| 09:13.59 | charlie137 | mickeyl: no problem |
| 09:14.11 | charlie137 | (for the dtmf function) |
| 09:14.32 | wizkoder | I have one more question. I also read about google's android which seems to be more or less the same thing. But I read it supports java only. I need c++ instead. Anybody here that can compare this 2 projects against each other? |
| 09:14.58 | charlie137 | wizkoder: one more question about your game : does it need the keyboard ? or only the mouse ? |
| 09:15.08 | mjr | yes, android is a VM based platform |
| 09:15.11 | wizkoder | you can play it with only mouse and only keyboard |
| 09:15.17 | charlie137 | good |
| 09:15.22 | charlie137 | it is C ? |
| 09:15.23 | mjr | not java VM though, even if the source is similar syntax |
| 09:15.37 | wizkoder | Its purebasic, but we have a purebasic to c++ compiler :-) |
| 09:15.48 | Wander_w | android is also "just" a linux based OS.. so you should be able to use C++ programs' as well |
| 09:15.50 | charlie137 | purebasic ?? |
| 09:16.01 | wizkoder | www.purebasic.com |
| 09:16.20 | wizkoder | Its commercial .-((( |
| 09:16.25 | charlie137 | ahah |
| 09:16.27 | charlie137 | wow |
| 09:16.41 | charlie137 | just curious : why using this language ? |
| 09:16.52 | mjr | Wander_w, maybe, depends on theeventual actual products if they allow such a thing though |
| 09:16.56 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: i think you are on the right track. that looks good so far |
| 09:17.02 | wizkoder | The original was written in blitzbasic. So I decided to use something similar |
| 09:17.06 | leinir | i'm guessing historical reasons? :) |
| 09:17.14 | leinir | Aah :) |
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| 09:17.26 | wizkoder | I rewrote it to be able to play it on linux :-) |
| 09:17.36 | mjr | ooh yeah, lost labyrinth :) |
| 09:17.57 | mjr | and dark's funky purebasic to c++ compiler, was it itself in ruby? :) |
| 09:18.01 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: the only problem is that no one on the time is truly sure of the fact that this will be of use |
| 09:18.02 | charlie137 | i will give it a try, if it is C++, using SDL, then it should run pretty well |
| 09:18.09 | Ainulindale | And that we're using ogsmd correctly |
| 09:18.39 | Ainulindale | And we were also wondering about PIM |
| 09:18.40 | wizkoder | would be nice to have some help here. As I am totally new to openmoko |
| 09:19.13 | Ainulindale | That is to say, what is used by openmoko-contacts, and what we should use with FSO |
| 09:19.20 | wizkoder | You can get the source from the svn. Then you also get elice (this is the comiler) |
| 09:19.26 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: well |
| 09:19.32 | mickeyl | to tell the truth |
| 09:19.37 | mickeyl | personally, I'd rather change the few apps that use phonekit |
| 09:19.43 | mickeyl | to make them talk OTAPI right from the start |
| 09:19.50 | Ainulindale | That is our second goal |
| 09:19.54 | mickeyl | but the wrapper may be a quicker solution |
| 09:19.54 | mickeyl | yep |
| 09:19.58 | wizkoder | On linux you compile the game by changing into the elice dir. and saying "make laby-svn" |
| 09:20.04 | Ainulindale | We just want to build a wrapper in order to get things right in our mind |
| 09:20.10 | Ainulindale | And start toying with the APIs |
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| 09:20.16 | mickeyl | regarding, openmoko-contacts, please wait until FSO integrated the first GSoC results. We will have basic PIM then |
| 09:20.25 | mickeyl | watches abraxa_ |
| 09:20.26 | iandouglas | good evening, everyone |
| 09:20.29 | Ainulindale | I don't have the pretention to understand rightfully all you did on OM so I'd rather begin with small things :-) |
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| 09:20.36 | mickeyl | understood |
| 09:20.38 | mickeyl | and it's helpful! |
| 09:21.00 | Ainulindale | As long as we're able to make things go forward, I think we will all be happy |
| 09:21.19 | charlie137 | Ainulindale: you are working on SHR ? |
| 09:21.24 | Ainulindale | Yep |
| 09:21.30 | Ainulindale | Working is a big word |
| 09:21.46 | charlie137 | wizkoder: where can i get elice ? |
| 09:22.13 | charlie137 | Ainulindale: do you know about tichy ? |
| 09:22.29 | wizkoder | its part of the laby svn |
| 09:22.33 | Ainulindale | tichy ? |
| 09:22.40 | charlie137 | i though you may want to put it on SHR, maybe not as the bootup program though |
| 09:22.51 | charlie137 | http://charlie137-2.blogspot.com/2008/07/introducing-tichy.html |
| 09:23.03 | Ainulindale | Oh yes saw that |
| 09:23.13 | leinir | By the way - status of wifi in ASU - anybody know? :) |
| 09:23.50 | Ainulindale | charlie137: I didn't quite catch what was the point of tichy I think |
| 09:23.59 | Ainulindale | it just stroke me as a really ugly UI :-p |
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| 09:24.36 | charlie137 | you should check the last version them |
| 09:24.40 | Lynoure | If you are talking about the purebasic compiler-thingy, I just nudged it's writer to come here |
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| 09:25.05 | charlie137 | svn checkout svn://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/tichy |
| 09:25.12 | sledgeas | hello |
| 09:25.13 | iandouglas | anyone know a current wiki page for getting the Freerunner GPS working? I've modified the gpsd.conf to point to /dev/ttySAC1 and have been out on my balcony with a clear sky for about 20 minutes and can't get any GPS data other than $GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,99.99,99.99,99.99*30 |
| 09:25.16 | Ainulindale | charlie137: could you explain to me what it really does ? And by the wway, if you're french, you can query me to say me that in french :-) |
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| 09:25.50 | charlie137 | Ainulindale: tichy could be use basically like zhone, but it much powerful, there a full plugin and service system |
| 09:26.11 | Amtep | Hi there! I'm getting a Freerunner soon. |
| 09:26.17 | charlie137 | you can make a full dialler/contact/message/conf software with it |
| 09:26.36 | Amtep | I heard there was some talk about elice here. |
| 09:26.39 | charlie137 | wizkoder: where is the svn ? |
| 09:26.40 | Ainulindale | charlie137: How exactly ? |
| 09:26.51 | sledgeas | anyone can point to any reviews about freerunner? i would like to get it and another 9 people here in Italy |
| 09:27.03 | charlie137 | well, the best way id to have a look at it, you can run it on your desktop no need to compile |
| 09:27.09 | wizkoder | Hy amtep. I am also thinking about that :-) |
| 09:27.25 | mjr | Amtep, hello |
| 09:27.34 | wizkoder | www.sf.net/projects/lostlaby |
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| 09:28.05 | charlie137 | the idea is that every part of tichy is a plugin, plugins can define service and use other services |
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| 09:28.15 | Amtep | There are also separate elice releases under http://clueonic.org/elice/archive/ |
| 09:28.26 | Amtep | They're kept in sync with laby releases, it's just a matter of what is easier for packaging :) |
| 09:28.35 | iandouglas | anyone have info on getting the Freerunner GPS working? |
| 09:28.37 | charlie137 | even clicking into a edit widget will request a text typing service |
| 09:29.35 | Ainulindale | charlie137: won't you come on #openmoko-cdevel to talk about it ? |
| 09:29.41 | charlie137 | wizkoder: ye sbut the actual address of the svn repository ? |
| 09:29.45 | charlie137 | Ainulindale: ok |
| 09:29.47 | Ainulindale | There are several other members of the SHR team there |
| 09:30.16 | wizkoder | svn co https://lostlaby.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/lostlaby lostlaby |
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| 09:30.48 | charlie137 | wizkoder: thanks i will give it a try |
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| 09:34.34 | sledgeas | guys, in the reviews they say FreeRunner sucks with data rate, so it is a slow thing -- worth buying or waiting? |
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| 09:35.26 | ScaredyCat | are you a developer sledgeas ? |
| 09:35.35 | polz_ | sledgeas: depends on what you intend to do with it |
| 09:35.39 | sledgeas | yes, im a gentoo geek and c/c++ fan |
| 09:35.54 | ScaredyCat | personally I'd wait. |
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| 09:36.19 | sledgeas | polz: use as my phone, and having linux in it, so i don't need my gentoo@laptop to mess around daily :D |
| 09:36.36 | ScaredyCat | it's not ready for that yet |
| 09:36.53 | ScaredyCat | you can mess about with it... |
| 09:36.57 | polz | sledgeas: I'd buy an Asus EEE if I were you |
| 09:36.58 | sledgeas | for what, the phone part? :) |
| 09:37.10 | ScaredyCat | but it's not ready for reliable calsl just yet |
| 09:37.30 | polz | sledgeas: not having a keyboard makes it difficult to "mess about" with the phone without a laptop |
| 09:37.37 | ScaredyCat | mainly because they ditched the om2007.2 and started again |
| 09:37.50 | ScaredyCat | a bt keyboard would hep |
| 09:37.53 | ScaredyCat | hep |
| 09:37.56 | ScaredyCat | gah |
| 09:37.57 | sledgeas | EEE is too big - wont fit the pocket, polz |
| 09:37.58 | ScaredyCat | help |
| 09:37.59 | iandouglas | 3rd try before i give up for the night and go to bed: has anyone had any luck getting the Freerunner GPS to work? |
| 09:38.19 | polz | ScaredyCat: yeah, but a BT keyboard is usually almost as big as a small laptop... |
| 09:38.22 | sledgeas | yes, id be thinking of a usb/bt keyboard solution, polz |
| 09:38.33 | leinir | iandouglas: Yes - go outside, hold the phone upright :) |
| 09:38.39 | ScaredyCat | igo stowaway polz |
| 09:38.45 | sledgeas | the keyboard id be caryying in my bag |
| 09:38.45 | leinir | (not me, mind, that's what people say :) ) |
| 09:38.46 | polz | and at least here, an apple BT keyboard costs 75 euro, an EEE costs 300 euro. |
| 09:39.08 | iandouglas | leinr: i've been out on my balcony for over half an hour, no luck yet, but my Samsung Blackjack 2 finds nmea data just fine |
| 09:39.33 | sledgeas | polz, the keyboard id be caryying in my bag (which is not always with me) and having an eternal keyboard-less pocket solution (NEO GTA02) is what why i am here asking you now ;) |
| 09:40.15 | leinir | iandouglas: Right... it shouldn't take over 12.5 minutes (which supposedly is a full cycle), but... i've not played with that, so i don't know, i'm afraid :) Just what others said to do :) |
| 09:40.20 | iandouglas | the openmoko gps ui test module doesn't show anything either, i've been trying different things trying to get gpspipe to find me some nmea data, but all i get on the command line is data like 99.99,99.99,99.99*30 |
| 09:40.33 | polz | sledgeas: and what did you intend to run on the neo ? |
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| 09:41.04 | sledgeas | polz: anything that comes through my mind, even as getting as low as trying/contributing in porting things (software i like) |
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| 09:41.39 | polz | sledgeas: you won't be able to do that without a proper computer. |
| 09:41.41 | sledgeas | the gps is another attraction to mess with endlessly |
| 09:42.09 | sledgeas | yes, but porting is once, using - many, as well as coding gps gadgets for my bike trips on my laptop, and bringing just this gadget around |
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| 09:42.50 | polz | sledgeas: if you're prepared to wait for at least 6 months before basic functionality works and just play with the neo until then, using a normal phone and notebook to serve your daily needs |
| 09:42.54 | polz | then I'd buy it. |
| 09:42.55 | asasasasa | http://www.abdohoo.com/mobile |
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| 09:43.04 | polz | otherwise, I'd wait. |
| 09:43.28 | sledgeas | polz: when's the GTA03 forecasted? |
| 09:43.34 | polz | no idea. |
| 09:43.38 | abraxa_ | iandouglas: There's a hardware bug (seemingly in the GPS antenna switch) and some people got hit by it. Apparently, you as well |
| 09:43.40 | sledgeas | prolly >>6 months |
| 09:43.43 | leinir | It isn't yet ;) |
| 09:43.46 | sledgeas | :):) |
| 09:44.15 | iandouglas | abraxa_: i have a gta02v5 beta test model, not the v6 model for sale as of last week |
| 09:44.16 | yangvnc | I have noticed that media player is playing audio files to external speaker, even if the headphones are plugged in the phone |
| 09:44.21 | sledgeas | (in other words -- GTA03 will due to after way more than "at least 6 months" :)) |
| 09:44.31 | polz | sledgeas: well, IMHO (and I'm guessing here) even a freerunner might be able to serve your needs in half a year. |
| 09:44.35 | abraxa_ | iandouglas: Same difference |
| 09:44.49 | iandouglas | :o) |
| 09:45.09 | polz | sledgeas: or a year |
| 09:45.11 | sledgeas | will be able to serving in 6 months and on? (to infinity and beyond, or at least for a year) |
| 09:45.15 | iandouglas | well, hopefully when my 10-pack order comes in, we'll have better luck |
| 09:45.17 | sledgeas | so that makes it 1,5 yrs :) |
| 09:45.18 | iandouglas | thanks all, g'night |
| 09:45.27 | abraxa_ | iandouglas: Openmoko, Inc. said that those affected will get it repaired/fixed somehow, so best bet is to keep up with the community mailing list |
| 09:45.38 | leinir | iandouglas: Ninis! :) |
| 09:45.39 | polz | sledgeas: I've had a 1973 for about a year now and it's only getting better.... |
| 09:45.42 | viq | are there any plans/information out for GTA03? |
| 09:46.02 | polz | sledgeas: but it still doesn't work reliably as a phone |
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| 09:46.05 | leinir | viq: Not really... There's some sporadic discussions and such, but nothing remotely solid :) |
| 09:46.07 | sledgeas | are there any plans/information for GTA02 hardware updates on the production line? |
| 09:46.21 | sledgeas | polz: what do you mean? receiving calls sucks? |
| 09:46.25 | sledgeas | gsm stack? |
| 09:46.31 | viq | leinir: and any rumors? ;) |
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| 09:46.54 | polz | sledgeas: it works most of the time. Friends tell me that I sometimes don't pick up the phone when they call me |
| 09:47.07 | polz | sledgeas: and SMSs also seem to be getting lost somewhere |
| 09:47.14 | sledgeas | :) and you get no missed calls? |
| 09:47.16 | polz | sledgeas: that's with the GTK stack |
| 09:47.32 | sledgeas | (waide, you are not talking about GNOME ToolKit rite? :D) |
| 09:47.39 | polz | sledgeas: no, I don't always get the missed calls. |
| 09:48.30 | polz | sledgeas: QTopia was a bit better, but it didn't support suspending to RAM |
| 09:48.41 | polz | and took about 4 seconds to even ring |
| 09:48.56 | polz | so people would call me and give up before I was able to pick up the phone |
| 09:49.05 | abraxa_ | sledgeas: The GTA03 will be an improved GTA02, so yes, there are plans and infos |
| 09:49.18 | leinir | sledgeas: No, the Gimp ToolKit ;) |
| 09:49.40 | sledgeas | leinir: yea, fogot that :) |
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| 09:51.28 | mjr | "gta03 |
| 09:51.33 | mjr | ~gta03 |
| 09:51.47 | MarcOChapeau | Hi there :-) |
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| 09:52.14 | MarcOChapeau | quick question: is there a general bug tracker for the GTK distro ? |
| 09:52.59 | mjr | apt: gta03 is preliminarily edge/quad/camera/new case/no gpu, but that's preliminary plans. No schedule, don't expect it too soon. |
| 09:53.00 | apt | mjr: okay |
| 09:53.24 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 09:53.25 | mickeyl | oops |
| 09:53.33 | polz | I wonder when they're going to put in USB2.0 |
| 09:53.48 | mjr | (just collating what om guys have been saying about it) |
| 09:53.56 | mickeyl | once "free" SoCs are available with USB2.0 |
| 09:54.08 | Wander_w | polz: probably not very soon.. it's integrated on the SoC |
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| 09:55.16 | polz | Wander_w: I know, they'd have to redesign the motherboard |
| 09:56.21 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * re001bc4698e3 10/otapi/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:56.21 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: OTAPI: remove {Get|Set}DtmfDuration, this is not supported in GSM (oops...) |
| 09:56.21 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: fix documentation for SendDtmf, explicitly stating that you can send a tone string of arbitrary length. |
| 09:56.42 | Wander_w | well.. they would have to redesign the board anyway to get rid of the GPU, add in quad band.. etc etc. but they'd have to get a different SoC (== different CPU, different LCD driver, possible different instruction set) to get USB 2.0.. lots of work |
| 09:58.32 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * reba46185f4d6 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): ogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.SendDtmf(tones) -> () |
| 09:58.45 | mickeyl | ok, dtmf done |
| 09:58.48 | mickeyl | that was easy |
| 09:59.03 | charlie137 | mickeyl: great ! |
| 09:59.37 | charlie137 | i may be able to use OM with framework as my primary phone soon |
| 09:59.45 | polz | Wander_w: a different CPU and instruction set shouldn't be too problematic |
| 09:59.59 | charlie137 | mickeyl: what about SMS ? |
| 10:00.02 | charlie137 | is that working ? |
| 10:00.20 | mickeyl | ya, almost everything |
| 10:00.29 | trickie | abraxa_: that GPS hardware... is there a known way to identify if you are affected... i cannot get a fix no matter what i do |
| 10:00.43 | trickie | other than it never works :) |
| 10:00.48 | polz | Wander_w: and TIs page on OMAP processors says they're supported under Linux, so I'm guessing an LCD driver module might already be available |
| 10:00.53 | mickeyl | shoragan: alphaone: conference call now? |
| 10:01.10 | alphaone | mickeyl: Good that you mention it. Okay |
| 10:01.10 | charlie137 | ah yes |
| 10:01.20 | mickeyl | searches for the number |
| 10:01.44 | alphaone | 053134943742 |
| 10:01.48 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 10:01.51 | abraxa_ | trickie: Kind of. The symptoms are "does not work with internal antenna and works perfectly with an external antenna attached" - other than that, no way to identify it from what I know |
| 10:02.51 | trickie | abraxa_: ok thanks, i need to work out how to get my hands on an external antenna then |
| 10:04.05 | jOERG_rw | trickie: search ML for agpsui! |
| 10:04.26 | trickie | jOERG_rw: i been using that all week, no luck |
| 10:05.19 | trickie | i even load the assist data with http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/matt_hsu/agps-online/ |
| 10:05.32 | jOERG_rw | so you probably got a problem :-( we are still searching for the cause, so no other way to figure out yet |
| 10:05.32 | trickie | and that bit works... but i never get a fix |
| 10:05.40 | trickie | np, im patient :) |
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| 10:05.48 | trickie | anything i can do/test let me knwo |
| 10:05.54 | trickie | know even |
| 10:06.11 | jack | edistar_: Hi, biste da? |
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| 10:06.59 | jOERG_rw | I'm not exactly part of the GPS-taskforce, but please read ML, I think they had a call for broken devices to analize |
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| 10:09.34 | trickie | jOERG_rw: sure ill have a looky |
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| 10:10.08 | abraxa_ | trickie: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/020961.html |
| 10:10.26 | trickie | ta |
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| 10:30.32 | brundlefliege | i would like to have my neo to talk to my linux nb via gsm - does anybody have recommendations which modem to buy? i checked with google&&del.icio.us but didn't find anything else than these adapters which frankly don't seem to be bad at all: http://www.control.com.sg/gsm_modem.aspx |
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| 10:38.24 | abraxa_ | brundlefliege: Why focus on GSM/GPRS? HSDPA/UMTS/EDGE work just as well if you want to do IP traffic |
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| 10:40.54 | brundlefliege | even better so but i wanted to go for the most reliable communications channel |
| 10:41.18 | brundlefliege | if there are devices which are able to do all of that this would be great |
| 10:41.19 | viq | Carrier pidgeons! |
| 10:41.43 | brundlefliege | ? |
| 10:41.57 | Wander_w | HSDPA over carrier pidgeons! It's the latest thing! |
| 10:42.09 | brundlefliege | lol? |
| 10:42.20 | igor321 | yes, lol |
| 10:43.14 | brundlefliege | wimax would be great but i don't see that coming unfortunately. |
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| 10:44.47 | viq | brundlefliege: to Europe or to OpenMoko? |
| 10:44.57 | brundlefliege | both ;) |
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| 10:45.10 | viq | Heh |
| 10:45.19 | ecraven | charlie137: how do i precisely control the size of a Button? |
| 10:46.41 | abraxa_ | brundlefliege: I'd check with your national mobile carriers. Vodafone Germany for example hands you an UMTS modem for the ExpressCard slot that works under linux, too |
| 10:48.10 | brundlefliege | actually a good idea i'll contact our carrier thanks |
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| 10:49.49 | swc|666 | i may get this one http://www.expansys-usa.com/d.aspx?i=156021 |
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| 10:53.09 | brundlefliege | swc|666: seems to be nice i hope the linux support is usable though - when do you order yours? |
| 10:53.12 | brundlefliege | ;) |
| 10:54.05 | abraxa_ | Again one of those people who ask questions and leave :) |
| 10:54.32 | brundlefliege | lol thanks for the info ;) |
| 10:57.40 | charlie137 | ecraven: hum, it depends |
| 10:57.58 | charlie137 | if your button is in a Box, then the box will decide of the size |
| 10:58.29 | charlie137 | if you want full control over the pos and size of widget, you can use the special Box : AbsBox |
| 10:58.54 | charlie137 | AbsBox will let you put the widgets where you want |
| 10:59.06 | ecraven | charlie137: if i only add an image to the button, it still is much bigger than the image |
| 10:59.13 | ecraven | i want the button to be just a bit bigger than the image |
| 10:59.38 | charlie137 | do you use a box ? |
| 10:59.43 | charlie137 | your code should lookl like this : |
| 11:00.21 | charlie137 | box = gui.Box(parent, axis = 0, border = 0) |
| 11:00.21 | charlie137 | gui.Image(box, 'myimage.png') |
| 11:00.21 | charlie137 | gui.Label(box, "hello') |
| 11:00.48 | charlie137 | border = 0 means : don't add any border in the box |
| 11:01.06 | charlie137 | have a look in the file "test.py" to see hos it is done |
| 11:01.53 | abraxa_ | charlie137: Great to see another OM employee here :) - mind if I ask what your responsibilities are? |
| 11:02.05 | charlie137 | i work on the framework |
| 11:02.41 | sledgeas | mjr: so there will be no _hardware_ updates until gta03 (no gta02.1 .2 ..?) |
| 11:03.21 | charlie137 | DBus API + implemetation for a set of functions you expect to see on a mobile phone (gsm, device, contacts, etc) |
| 11:03.23 | abraxa_ | charlie137: Oh wait... you're Guillaume Chereau, right? |
| 11:03.27 | charlie137 | yep |
| 11:03.31 | abraxa_ | oh okay :) |
| 11:03.40 | charlie137 | i know you ? |
| 11:03.45 | abraxa_ | sledgeas: Correct |
| 11:04.26 | abraxa_ | charlie137: Not that I'm aware of, no |
| 11:04.41 | abraxa_ | Just saw you around working on.. well.. framework stuff ;) |
| 11:05.27 | ecraven | charlie137: my code is call_button = gui.Botton(hbox) gui.Image(...).view(call_button) |
| 11:05.28 | ecraven | there is no box ;) |
| 11:06.11 | mickeyl | charlie137: abraxa_ is our hope for the PIM part of the framework |
| 11:06.16 | mickeyl | :) |
| 11:06.43 | `pwgen` | mikeyl: moin |
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| 11:07.10 | `pwgen` | s/mikeyl/mickeyl/ |
| 11:07.42 | MrShlee | Openmoko twitter client yet? ;) |
| 11:07.56 | charlie137 | ecraven: ah yes you are right :) |
| 11:08.01 | charlie137 | sorry |
| 11:08.04 | mickeyl | hey pwgen |
| 11:08.30 | charlie137 | so it doesn't look good ? |
| 11:08.35 | leinirAWAY | MrShlee: Well, in that Plasma sort of runs on it, and there's a Twitter plasmoid, the answer is a solid "kinda!" ;) |
| 11:08.45 | charlie137 | ah I know |
| 11:08.52 | charlie137 | you have to tell the size of your image maybe |
| 11:09.16 | charlie137 | gui.Image(icon_path, size = Vect(96,96)).view(hbox) |
| 11:09.43 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: did you already added the acl to the dbus interface to allow the freesmartphone.gps access ? |
| 11:09.45 | charlie137 | in your case : gui.Image("myimage>png", size = Vect(w,h)).view(call_button) |
| 11:10.18 | sledgeas | guys, don't you think that moko will remain a just-and-only geek's gadget, when android will go big and for-human-beings, google and its community hosting vast choice of good software and support? |
| 11:11.56 | abraxa_ | sledgeas: No, cause Android sucks and only gives people the freedoms google permits. |
| 11:12.04 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: yeah, pushed that a couple of minutes ago |
| 11:12.38 | sledgeas | yea, but google is big, and they will go bigger, permitting things |
| 11:12.41 | mickeyl | sledgeas: no, Openmoko can go mainstream, because freedom will allow us to implement applications where other platforms only can dream of |
| 11:13.31 | Wander_w | mickeyl: like...? |
| 11:13.38 | sledgeas | yes, i wanted to ask the same |
| 11:14.46 | mickeyl | p2p connectivity, querying CC-licensed data, machine control, there's a lot what you can't do on closed platforms |
| 11:14.54 | mickeyl | or what operators don't want you to do... |
| 11:15.05 | sledgeas | p2p over GSM? :) |
| 11:15.17 | mickeyl | gprs, wifi, BT |
| 11:15.27 | ecraven | charlie137: i pass 96,96, but the button looks the same as if i passed 'Call' |
| 11:15.28 | abraxa_ | sledgeas: Also, keep in mind that google will want to push ads and interests of commercial entities (= their clients) |
| 11:15.32 | sledgeas | (including that assumed) |
| 11:15.33 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: any proceedings for the preferenced or will be the dbus-gonf used in fututre = |
| 11:15.49 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: we have a lean-and-mean preferencesd now |
| 11:16.02 | Wander_w | if operators don't want the stuff people do on openmoko's, won't they just outright ban openmoko's from their networks? |
| 11:16.26 | mickeyl | Wander_w: unlikely. |
| 11:16.30 | sledgeas | they won't track down that there's an openmoko client behind |
| 11:16.39 | mickeyl | they would have to ban entire IMEI areas |
| 11:16.40 | `pwgen` | i know but my git cheackout only provided 2 methods not the whole bunch that was mentioned at the freesmartphone wiki |
| 11:16.55 | sledgeas | exact |
| 11:17.01 | charlie137 | `pwgen` : really ? |
| 11:17.06 | charlie137 | what method do you have ? |
| 11:23.23 | `pwgen` | i am now at work and cannot verify it, but the last time i looked at prefd ( 5 days ago ) i thing i saw only 2 methods introspect and service |
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| 11:27.38 | `pwgen` | how can i control the fso powermanagement behavior ( doing apm -s instead of showing screensaver ) and dis/enable wakeupevent when changeing gsm-cells |
| 11:29.32 | charlie137 | pwgen: these are the name of the interfaces |
| 11:29.45 | charlie137 | each interfaces then provide methods |
| 11:29.46 | `pwgen` | charlie137: introspect provides the default methods, but i server there were only 2 call |
| 11:29.56 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * rbf4aba96d7b6 10/mickeydbus/ (TODO mdbus): mickeydbus: enable listening mode also for specific service or object |
| 11:30.36 | i_b0t | hi+ |
| 11:31.30 | charlie137 | `pwgen` : ok i need to check that |
| 11:31.31 | `pwgen` | charlie137: i Know, but i wasnt able to find for example the "GetKeys()" method, ( maybe PEBKAC of mine .. ) |
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| 11:31.41 | charlie137 | could be a bug in my code :O |
| 11:31.46 | charlie137 | ah |
| 11:31.54 | charlie137 | but first you have to call the GetService method |
| 11:31.58 | `pwgen` | its actually git.freesmartphone.org ... |
| 11:32.02 | charlie137 | this method returns you an object path |
| 11:32.18 | charlie137 | and then you use that object to call GetKeys, GetValues, etc |
| 11:32.30 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: there's no fine grained control over suspend/resume yet. why would you want to wakeup when changing the gsm cell? |
| 11:33.30 | i_b0t | I'm tryiing to get the om-mediaplayer to run with the correct buttons but it seems like the correct pixmaps where missing.. - is there some idea to install them? |
| 11:33.52 | `pwgen` | .. thats the problem ... my moko wakes up after 4 sec or 40 secs , an i think the modem does some signalling. |
| 11:34.01 | ebbe | i_b0t: They where in the original theme.. |
| 11:34.13 | `pwgen` | and it will not go to sleep mode again , so it will drain power very fast |
| 11:34.29 | abraxa_ | i_b0t: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 11:34.39 | i_b0t | ebbe: strange, I didn't install any other theme.. |
| 11:34.51 | ebbe | i_b0t: I mean the old theme |
| 11:35.04 | ebbe | Before the current |
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| 11:35.46 | i_b0t | ebbe: ah ok so I'll try to extract them there, thanks! |
| 11:36.16 | abraxa_ | i_b0t: The wiki page I gave you has all you need |
| 11:36.24 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: interesting. can you tell me what wakes it up? please send me the output of 'logread', might give me a clue |
| 11:36.37 | mickeyl | fso does stop CREG messages on suspend |
| 11:36.40 | mickeyl | either that doesn't work |
| 11:36.50 | mickeyl | or you're seeing some other messages which I forgot to turn off |
| 11:36.54 | mickeyl | this is milestone1 or self-built?` |
| 11:37.15 | i_b0t | abraxa_: thanks, surely i saw this page already but there was no hint on this topic.. |
| 11:37.32 | `pwgen` | its an andy kernel branch and frameworked 5 days old |
| 11:37.35 | abraxa_ | i_b0t: Please check it again then ;) |
| 11:37.59 | i_b0t | abraxa_: yes, I'll do so :) |
| 11:38.38 | i_b0t | abraxa_: ah :) "And if you want the Media Player back:" ! |
| 11:39.01 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: aah, self-built. |
| 11:39.10 | mickeyl | everything can happen between milestones :) |
| 11:39.21 | mickeyl | probably the +CGEREP |
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| 11:39.53 | mickeyl | ya |
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| 11:40.48 | `pwgen` | i know ... not seeing the diffrence between gps and gsm ,,searching 4 hours why the gsm ist not allowd ,,, and then seeing... gPs and not gSm .... |
| 11:41.38 | mickeyl | :) |
| 11:42.37 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: wait 4 hours, and i will send you what you need.i have forgotten my moko at home. and its booted into the nand image. |
| 11:43.17 | mickeyl | http://rafb.net/p/iWDVPz26.html should fix it |
| 11:43.20 | ecraven | how's milestone2 looking in 6 days? |
| 11:43.27 | mickeyl | ecraven: bad :/ |
| 11:43.30 | `pwgen` | LOL |
| 11:43.32 | mickeyl | i'm afraid we're not going to make it |
| 11:43.36 | ecraven | i looked at the timeline today ;) |
| 11:43.50 | mickeyl | framework is ok, but zhone lacks |
| 11:43.56 | ecraven | i'll help with diagnosing things, i'm running milestone1, and i'll try anything you give me an image of |
| 11:44.06 | mickeyl | we need to postpone a week. |
| 11:44.54 | mickeyl | i might release a testing image next week for people who want to test (via dbus console) the new features like multiparty handling, gprs, call forwarding, etc. etc. |
| 11:45.13 | mickeyl | but the official ms2 will probably come out one week alter |
| 11:45.15 | mickeyl | later |
| 11:46.24 | charlie137 | i am going home |
| 11:46.35 | charlie137 | tired |
| 11:47.31 | charlie137 | hum, if there are problems making a input widget in zhone, why not using tichy, it is largely inspired by zhone, and it has an input widget |
| 11:47.49 | charlie137 | (of course i am biased) |
| 11:48.33 | ecraven | charlie137: thanks for all the help! |
| 11:48.40 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: i am working on a little gtk gui ( adapting my old pyneo gui didnt work, too much changes (:-(( ) |
| 11:48.59 | mickeyl | cool. might be a chance to join forces with SHR? |
| 11:49.07 | charlie137 | ecraven: ur welcome |
| 11:49.08 | `pwgen` | SHR ? |
| 11:49.32 | mickeyl | the guys working on a stable hybrid release with the best bits from ASU and 2007.2 on a FSO foundation |
| 11:50.06 | charlie137 | bye |
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| 11:51.25 | `pwgen` | its a pure python approach . something to play with my org.freesmartphone.Audio dbus sound manager |
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| 11:56.09 | MrShlee | This just answered most of my questions ;) http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
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| 12:01.34 | mickeyl | MrShlee: :) |
| 12:02.30 | maze | `pwgen_away`, please use /away and don't change your nick |
| 12:02.39 | maze | `pwgen_away`, it's very annoying if everybody would do this |
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| 12:13.34 | Guilt | hi. i heard from IDA again |
| 12:13.40 | Guilt | they want to send it back to USA again |
| 12:13.47 | Guilt | to be resent with new declaration or whatever |
| 12:13.53 | Guilt | i think i'm going to cancel my Openmoko order |
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| 12:14.03 | mickeyl | anyone tried call deflection with the Calypso yet? |
| 12:14.07 | Guilt | :-p this has been pretty disappointing to me. |
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| 12:14.30 | Guilt | the response from steve hasnt been exactly supportive |
| 12:15.04 | sledgeas | hi, why did openmoko.com postpone the new orders for 900th GTA02 from july 15th to 25th and how many times will they be postponing that? |
| 12:15.32 | Guilt | sledgeas: ordering somewhere? |
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| 12:16.23 | sledgeas | Guilt: buy from openmoko store: "GSM 900Mhz variant stock is due on on July 25th" (yesterday it was july 25th) |
| 12:16.46 | sledgeas | s/25th\)/15th\)/ |
| 12:17.00 | Guilt | sledgeas: i've already sent IDA the money |
| 12:17.04 | Guilt | and even if i did buy |
| 12:17.14 | Guilt | the bastards at my country's customs wont let me have it |
| 12:17.25 | Guilt | ;p motherfucking bastards. |
| 12:17.31 | Guilt | with their bribes and what not |
| 12:17.53 | nuclear_eclipse | Guilt: what country? |
| 12:18.00 | sledgeas | yea, that's pretty frustrating |
| 12:18.17 | sledgeas | prolly one of the fuc**ing Bush's "axes of evil" |
| 12:18.39 | maze | Thu Jul 10 14:18:38 CEST 2008 |
| 12:18.46 | maze | sledgeas, you are wrong |
| 12:19.18 | Guilt | nuclear_eclipse: India |
| 12:19.20 | sledgeas | maybe, i hope so (if you are talking about the axis) |
| 12:19.30 | sledgeas | hmm, india has a direct dirtributor there |
| 12:19.35 | nuclear_eclipse | ah, I thought there was a local distributor in Inda? |
| 12:19.45 | nuclear_eclipse | s/Inda/India |
| 12:20.15 | sledgeas | yea, so you can order from their store within country lines shipping them prolly |
| 12:21.15 | abraxa_ | sledgeas: I'd assume it has to do with the newly discovered NOR and GPS issues |
| 12:21.29 | sledgeas | then i dont understand guilt's sentence about country's customs, when IDA is already in india itself, what customs? |
| 12:21.57 | sledgeas | abraxa_: oh ok, i hope they are not canceling the stock line? :D as it was once with intel CPU chips :D |
| 12:23.21 | nuclear_eclipse | abraxa_: what NOR issues? |
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| 12:23.53 | Guilt | nuclear_eclipse: i'm trying to call up steven, pat meier and chelsea wei now. |
| 12:24.02 | Guilt | nuclear_eclipse: i'm trying to call up steven, pat meier and chelsea wei now. |
| 12:24.16 | Guilt | apparently none of them are online. and I WAS ordering it in India. |
| 12:24.38 | Guilt | sledgeas: the country's airport authority's custom officials are holding the phone |
| 12:24.42 | Guilt | they are NOT releasing it |
| 12:25.00 | Guilt | so whoever has ordered in India has basically just forsaken it to these assholes |
| 12:25.54 | Guilt | there is NO person in openmoko even trying to solve it from their end. they get their money and that's all they care |
| 12:26.05 | Guilt | why should anybody buy Openmoko then? |
| 12:26.18 | nuclear_eclipse | what can they do from their end? |
| 12:26.19 | Ainulindale | If you bought it from a local distributor, it's not openmoko's problem... |
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| 12:26.49 | Ainulindale | It's the distributor's responsability... |
| 12:26.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ref4565b87401 10/packages/initscripts/initscripts-1.0/banner: turn off banner output to cleaner boot |
| 12:26.50 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rcf2458714c8f 10/packages/initscripts/initscripts-1.0/openmoko/bootmisc.sh: disable ldconfig for faster boot |
| 12:26.50 | nuclear_eclipse | they don't have a business in India, they're just the one shipping a package |
| 12:27.00 | Guilt | Ainulindale: if the local distributor is asking for openmoko's help in clearing customs, it's not his responsibility. |
| 12:27.23 | Guilt | they sent it by UPS, and apparently they didnt put the MRP in it, they didn't put the description right? |
| 12:27.27 | Ainulindale | Guilt: I think you're overreacting a little :-) |
| 12:27.31 | Guilt | don't give me the 'it's not Openmoko's problem bs' |
| 12:27.56 | Guilt | because IT is. |
| 12:28.51 | Ainulindale | *Sigh* :-) |
| 12:28.55 | sledgeas | well, IDA is the official distributor. what you are telling is that IDA did not receive a _single_ freerunner yet (though sales started this week) in india as all of them are being held? |
| 12:29.15 | Guilt | no, they havent |
| 12:29.35 | sledgeas | (at india's customs) that's strange, because then the internet should be full with all indian geek (like me) people complaining |
| 12:30.17 | jakob__ | abraxa_: what issue is there with the NOR? I haven't heard of any problem with it. Can you enlighten me? :) |
| 12:30.23 | mbuf | Guilt, i got confirmation that they will be shipped this early next week |
| 12:30.37 | mbuf | *this weekend or |
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| 12:34.48 | musse | Any current plans about ASU moving to the Qtopia 4.4.0 ? |
| 12:35.10 | ecraven | does milestone 1 of FSO have drivers for the gps? |
| 12:35.23 | Guilt | mbuf: not to me. and they dont know if the customs fellows are going to do it. |
| 12:35.53 | nuclear_eclipse | ecraven: iirc, yes |
| 12:35.57 | Tanuva | ecraven: drivers might be there, but no software afaik |
| 12:36.00 | nuclear_eclipse | oh wait |
| 12:36.16 | ecraven | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.18 | Tanuva | argh, drivers are sw, too.. you know what I mean? |
| 12:36.21 | nuclear_eclipse | my eyes tricked me, I could have sworn that read gprs :P |
| 12:36.35 | ecraven | where in /sys/devices/platform/.. is the gps ? |
| 12:36.45 | ecraven | Tanuva: i only need the device, that gives me nmea |
| 12:38.29 | Guilt | mbuf: this is what i've been told. |
| 12:38.44 | Guilt | that it's put on a relatively 'low' priority in the customs and they will do it when they want to. |
| 12:38.54 | Guilt | and that zoheb has sent stuff from his end. |
| 12:39.15 | Guilt | i just called up the guy now. |
| 12:39.17 | ecraven | echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron helps ;) |
| 12:39.26 | Guilt | who is elsie li, anybody know her? |
| 12:40.24 | Guilt | mbuf: i'm assuming you're from India too? |
| 12:40.33 | Guilt | well. if you want to, ask Zoheb |
| 12:40.58 | mbuf | Guilt, yes |
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| 12:45.04 | mbuf | Guilt, ok |
| 12:45.14 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rdf8987b25880 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 12:45.14 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: add transferring a call (call deflection service) via org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.Transfer(s:number) -> () |
| 12:45.15 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: does not work at all on TI Calypso, possibly/hopefully other modems ;) |
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| 12:48.50 | s1m0n | hi there, i just received my freerunner, so i'm a little bit of a noob. i tried 'opkg upate' but it tries to download Packages.sig which is not available on the server. |
| 12:49.28 | s1m0n | does anybody know what i am doing wrong or has the filename on the server changed so Packages.stamps? |
| 12:49.44 | Tanuva | that doesnt prevent it from updating, its just a trust thing |
| 12:49.52 | s1m0n | ah ok |
| 12:50.03 | s1m0n | so the update did work... |
| 12:50.04 | Tanuva | they are investigating on that issue afaik |
| 12:50.08 | Tanuva | yes |
| 12:50.13 | s1m0n | thx! :) |
| 12:50.21 | Tanuva | np! :) |
| 12:50.39 | Drakou | Hello, I am looking for help with the OpenMoko Wifi Chip ( WM3236AQ from Accton ) , Where is the best place to request help on this chip linux drivers ? |
| 12:51.15 | HauDyrArb | Try first and look in the wiki |
| 12:51.18 | Drakou | I 've just suscribed to the openmoko kernel mailling list |
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| 12:51.39 | ecraven | can anyone explain the difference between Tichy and Zhone to me? |
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| 13:02.55 | Drakou | I already did this. I am working exactly on the same chip with Accton, and I would like some help on the drivers on you svn |
| 13:03.26 | Drakou | It's very high level questions about the Ar6000 driver internals |
| 13:03.54 | rwhitby | kernel mailing list is best |
| 13:04.35 | rwhitby | or look for hrw in here (he's hrw|gone in #oe at the moment) |
| 13:04.43 | ecraven | has anyone here tried Chicken Scheme on the neo? |
| 13:05.04 | Drakou | I saw that Samuel Oritz '( sameo ) worked on this driver |
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| 13:08.42 | Drakou | Is it possible to talk to sameo on this channel ? |
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| 13:09.02 | raster | nup |
| 13:09.15 | raster | i dont think so |
| 13:09.25 | raster | he was a contractor from openedhand who worked on the wifi driver |
| 13:09.29 | raster | he's not contracted anymore |
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| 13:12.42 | leinir | raster: Speaking of which, is wifi supposed to work in the ASU 20070810 snapshot? |
| 13:13.48 | Maulkin | . |
| 13:15.52 | raster | i've had it work |
| 13:16.06 | raster | but i've had to manualy configure it with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:19.14 | leinir | Right... no GUI handling of it yet, just wondered :) |
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| 13:28.11 | ecraven | does the glamo support opengl? |
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| 13:31.22 | wizkoder | the game has 640x480 pixels. the freerunner a 480x640 display. Is there a way to tell the x-server to display everything like 90 degrees rotated? |
| 13:31.42 | abraxa_ | wizkoder: Yes, xrandr |
| 13:31.43 | raster | yes |
| 13:31.52 | raster | but touchscreen will be "wrong" |
| 13:31.54 | wizkoder | cool. that makes thing easier :-) |
| 13:31.55 | raster | input doesnt get rotated |
| 13:32.04 | raster | xrandr will rotate |
| 13:32.27 | raster | ecraven: no. no drivers for it. and even at best openglES 1.1 if they were written |
| 13:32.34 | raster | and then only at limited resolutions |
| 13:32.36 | raster | eg qvga |
| 13:32.47 | raster | not vga (640x480 or 480x640) |
| 13:33.57 | ecraven | raster: so for graphics, it is X11 or SDL? would directFB work? |
| 13:34.09 | wizkoder | sdl |
| 13:36.20 | raster | ecraven: dfb will work as u can access the glamo via /dev/fb |
| 13:36.22 | raster | but it wont be fast |
| 13:36.25 | raster | thats for sure |
| 13:36.27 | raster | slooow |
| 13:36.32 | ecraven | what is fastest? sdl? |
| 13:36.32 | raster | u can just use x |
| 13:36.46 | raster | u wont be going and improving access another way really |
| 13:36.50 | raster | open up a window |
| 13:36.52 | raster | draw to it |
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| 13:37.16 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 13:39.45 | Xaos | Status Update: Got my shipping notification last night at 9pm EST for order #1220 |
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| 13:39.51 | Xaos | should be here on Tuesday! |
| 13:40.47 | HauDyrArb | cool |
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| 13:48.38 | kdubois | Xaos: me too! mine's in san pablo right now... |
| 13:48.38 | Xaos | so how do those of you that already have a Neo deal with the instability? Do you carry an extra (cheap) phone around and swap your SIM? |
| 13:48.58 | kdubois | Xaos: i'm gonna hang onto my free phone from AT&T, just in case :P |
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| 13:49.08 | Xaos | yep...San Pablo for me as well...actually, it departed San Pablo at 2:23am this morning |
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| 13:49.10 | mjr | Xaos, I just don't mind it that much usually... |
| 13:49.38 | Xaos | what are the primary instabilities seen? dropped calls, not ringing, etc.? |
| 13:51.50 | abraxa_ | Xaos: Depends on the distribution, I'd say |
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| 14:00.32 | Xaos | abraxa_: elaborate please? OM2007.2, FSO, ASU is there a wiki article with the strengths/weaknesses of each of these yet? If not, I'll put it up if anyone wants to send me the info. |
| 14:01.21 | abraxa_ | Xaos: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ might be what you have in mind, not sure |
| 14:01.39 | Xaos | ok...I've seen that article...I was hoping for more details...thanks though |
| 14:01.57 | Xaos | should we put the info from there into the wiki or just keep passing that link around? |
| 14:02.19 | dvarnes | Xaos, have you seen http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ ? |
| 14:02.42 | Xaos | dvarnes: you type slower than abraxa_ <grin> |
| 14:02.58 | dvarnes | :-) yep .. got distracted :-) |
| 14:03.01 | abraxa_ | Xaos: I'm not sure. If extended to the scope of "this works, this doesn't", then I fear the wiki pages will be outdated sooner than we'd like |
| 14:03.47 | Xaos | abraxa_: yeah, I see that, but it would be nice to have a nice grid with the major features (at least) and the 3 distros with notes on how each compares. |
| 14:03.59 | Xaos | Information is always out of date...at least there would be something |
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| 14:04.33 | J-23 | Hi! Does FreeRunner have video cam? |
| 14:04.35 | Xaos | If there is nothing currently up on the wiki, would it be useful for me to at least put up a skeleton that others can fill in? |
| 14:04.38 | Xaos | no cam |
| 14:04.50 | Xaos | j- |
| 14:04.52 | Tanuva | J-23: but usbcam is possible somehow, there are efforts |
| 14:04.54 | abraxa_ | Xaos: Indeed. Feel like adding that piece of information somewhere then? |
| 14:04.55 | J-23 | ok. |
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| 14:05.04 | Xaos | J-23: wait until GTA03 (or 04 or 05) ;-) |
| 14:05.19 | nuclear_eclipse | too late :P |
| 14:05.26 | Xaos | ok...I'll see what I can do...won't be much info, but hopefully others can start filling it in |
| 14:05.48 | LetoTo | wow 7 days to ship from US to Canada :P |
| 14:06.03 | wizkoder | by horseback I guess :-) |
| 14:06.05 | LetoTo | It will arrive half a day before I leave for Hope in NYC :P |
| 14:06.58 | Xaos | anyone know how to create a NEW page in the wiki? |
| 14:07.28 | Xaos | LetoTo: it's taking 4 days from California to Texas |
| 14:07.36 | nuclear_eclipse | Xaos: just put in the url, and it should show up as a edit page |
| 14:07.50 | Xaos | nuclear_eclipse: ok...cool thanks! |
| 14:07.54 | nuclear_eclipse | yw |
| 14:08.45 | Xaos | do you think that http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions would be a good URL? |
| 14:09.04 | nuclear_eclipse | sounds good to me :P |
| 14:09.15 | Xaos | then that's what it will be... |
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| 14:13.42 | HauDyrArb | the search function in the wiki is poor, fx. you search for SHR with no results to find the article you have to search for hybrid, is there anything that can be done? |
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| 14:14.12 | nuclear_eclipse | not really, mediawiki has always had pretty poor searching abilities |
| 14:14.42 | nuclear_eclipse | usually it's better to google search "site:<url> <terms>" to get what you want from a wiki |
| 14:15.04 | HauDyrArb | it feels like search in wikipedia is better but maby they have done something? |
| 14:15.24 | nuclear_eclipse | thinks wikipedia uses a highly customized version of mediawiki |
| 14:15.33 | nuclear_eclipse | hi mickeyl |
| 14:15.39 | nuclear_eclipse | good food? |
| 14:17.27 | HauDyrArb | nuclear_eclipse, could we then add a button that says search for this in google? |
| 14:17.46 | nuclear_eclipse | don't ask me, I'm not in charge of the wiki :P |
| 14:18.08 | nuclear_eclipse | but in my opinion, it would definitely be a good idea |
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| 14:18.34 | HauDyrArb | thats a quick and dirty fix but it works :-) |
| 14:18.37 | nuclear_eclipse | they already have a completely custom theme/template, why not make it actually useful? ;) |
| 14:19.27 | Xaos | ok, someone help me come up with a list of Features that we want to track/compare between the distributions |
| 14:19.36 | mickeyl | always ): |
| 14:19.45 | mickeyl | :) |
| 14:19.45 | lindi- | Tanuva: my stv680 based webcam (usb1.0, bulk transfers) is surely going to work, isn't it+ |
| 14:20.03 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, it did take an hour ;) |
| 14:20.12 | nuclear_eclipse | Xaos: GSM, SMS, GPRS, GPS, Accelorometer, Browser, Terminal |
| 14:20.21 | Tanuva | lindi-: I dont know, try it :) |
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| 14:20.34 | lindi- | Tanuva: have to wait a few weeks still :( |
| 14:20.35 | ecraven | is there cairo support on the neo? |
| 14:20.37 | HauDyrArb | Xaos, pim, phonebook, |
| 14:20.42 | Tanuva | lindi-: (and maybe add info to the wiki if you got results) |
| 14:20.54 | lindi- | Tanuva: sure |
| 14:21.05 | lindi- | Tanuva: my first project will be about adding a keyboard :) |
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| 14:21.42 | nuclear_eclipse | Xaos: FSO is available "now" via Milestone 1, which features dialer/sms (i think) as a bare package |
| 14:21.46 | HauDyrArb | Xaos, i think you should replace GPRS with WIFI |
| 14:22.01 | Xaos | I'll use both |
| 14:22.04 | nuclear_eclipse | both are good to track, actually |
| 14:22.10 | Tanuva | nuclear_eclipse: isnt sms still to come? |
| 14:22.12 | Xaos | ;-) |
| 14:22.21 | nuclear_eclipse | I dunno, I don't have my FR yet :P |
| 14:22.30 | nuclear_eclipse | it arrives tomorrow :D |
| 14:22.35 | Tanuva | yay :D |
| 14:22.51 | nuclear_eclipse | perfect timing for my daf off :P |
| 14:22.56 | HauDyrArb | GPRS: GTA01 none GTA02 none GTA03 none GTA04 who knows GTA05 ??? |
| 14:22.57 | nuclear_eclipse | s/daf/day/ |
| 14:23.01 | Tanuva | I have mine since monday and Im desperately trying to get a qt4 sample app to compile for the neo >.< |
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| 14:24.22 | nuclear_eclipse | my first goal is to figure out which build is the most stable as a *phone*, and flash that to the FR, and then set up a dual-boot on the SD card with a different stack for goofing raound |
| 14:24.53 | HauDyrArb | good idea maby ill copy that |
| 14:25.28 | abraxa_ | Xaos: GTA01 and GTA02 have GPRS, not sure what you're going off about :) |
| 14:25.54 | Xaos | abraxa_: I didn't realize I was going off about anything |
| 14:26.08 | abraxa_ | Xaos: My bad, I meant HauDyrArb |
| 14:26.14 | Xaos | <grin> |
| 14:26.15 | nuclear_eclipse | abraxa_: what's the NOR issue you were talking about? |
| 14:26.45 | Xaos | OK, anybody want to add anything else to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 14:26.47 | mmaestri | hi everyone |
| 14:26.48 | abraxa_ | nuclear_eclipse: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1568 |
| 14:26.57 | mmaestri | good idea nuclear_eclipse |
| 14:26.58 | HauDyrArb | abraxa_, ok then i was thinking about EDGE |
| 14:27.40 | abraxa_ | HauDyrArb: Oh ok |
| 14:28.01 | abraxa_ | Xaos: I'm sure kdean can add some points - unfortunately he's not around |
| 14:28.48 | HauDyrArb | Xaos, maby add a point called stability/usability ? |
| 14:29.49 | Xaos | HauDyrArb: I was thinking that we would have stability/usability for each of the options... |
| 14:30.04 | Xaos | for instance, is GPS stable and/or usable in each of the distros? |
| 14:30.12 | viq | Scary thing would be if the value for such would be "N/A" ;) |
| 14:30.28 | SpeedEvil | Xaos: GPS is pretty much just echo 1 >file;cat /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 14:30.34 | HauDyrArb | Xaos, fine with me |
| 14:30.37 | SpeedEvil | Xaos: there is nothing really to be unstable |
| 14:30.52 | Xaos | SpeedEvil: explain? |
| 14:31.07 | SpeedEvil | Xaos: the GPS is just on a serial port. |
| 14:31.12 | Xaos | I'm talking about the chart here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 14:31.22 | Xaos | GPS was an example feature... |
| 14:31.41 | Xaos | the question is if the GPS Software is stable in each of the distros |
| 14:31.47 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 14:31.49 | Xaos | and every other feature listed there |
| 14:31.50 | HauDyrArb | Xaos, or you could add a final line where you grade the distribution between 1 and 5 FreeRunners :-) |
| 14:31.51 | Dave | How are we, gentlemen? |
| 14:32.04 | SpeedEvil | Well - the first question would be "GPS software, what GPS software?: |
| 14:32.21 | Xaos | HauDyrArb: LOL I need a tiny FR icon to use for the grading then |
| 14:32.30 | Xaos | SpeedEvil: exactly |
| 14:32.56 | Dave | I think I am going to take the FR out for a gps roundup today, do you think that's worth publicly documenting, Speedevil? |
| 14:33.19 | Xaos | Dave: publicly document EVERYTHING! ;-) |
| 14:33.23 | SpeedEvil | Dave: sure |
| 14:33.24 | Dave | hah! |
| 14:33.25 | Dave | Alright |
| 14:33.41 | SpeedEvil | Dave: JOSM can make traces for you from NMEA output |
| 14:33.45 | Dave | I think I'll be testing a FR, N95, and Garmin device |
| 14:33.56 | Dave | Speedevil, we'll be generating the traces ourself |
| 14:33.57 | SpeedEvil | Dave: test all FR |
| 14:34.00 | Dave | if you want I'll post them all |
| 14:34.08 | Dave | All my freerunners? |
| 14:34.11 | SpeedEvil | Dave: yes. |
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| 14:34.17 | Dave | I've already done a test against each other |
| 14:34.18 | SpeedEvil | Dave: to see variances between them. |
| 14:34.24 | SpeedEvil | Dave: dynamics is important |
| 14:34.29 | Dave | I'll post them if you want :D |
| 14:34.33 | Dave | today even! |
| 14:34.44 | Dave | (I hope) :D |
| 14:34.46 | SpeedEvil | Dave: my 1973 is quite accurate normally. Until it's moved. |
| 14:34.47 | Dave | Stupid meetings |
| 14:34.52 | Dave | Ah, yeah |
| 14:35.06 | Dave | My opinion still holds though, the altitude is almost always "made up" |
| 14:35.06 | SpeedEvil | Then occasionally it leaps off track by dozens of meters when it fails to take a corner. |
| 14:35.11 | Dave | or the satellites give it bad info, hah |
| 14:35.17 | Dave | ah :x |
| 14:35.40 | Dave | the altitude never seems to be remotely correct unless I have 13/12 or 12/12 satellites when using tango |
| 14:35.46 | Dave | I'll have fun testing it today :) |
| 14:35.49 | SpeedEvil | Dave: inside? |
| 14:35.54 | smurfy-phil | hey, looking for assistance with some compile problems using the toolchain :) |
| 14:36.04 | SpeedEvil | Dave: and are you sure it's not a ft/m thing? |
| 14:36.17 | HauDyrArb | SpeedEvil, it sound like it dont average the measuerments |
| 14:36.24 | Dave | oh, and on the road home yesterday I took multiple screenshots of tango while driving, so I could compile a little motion clip to show it in action for disbelievers :) |
| 14:36.39 | ebbe | SpeedEvil: Isn't the corner error because of the driver believing it is a car gps, and can't take sharp corners? |
| 14:36.42 | Dave | Speedevil, inside what? |
| 14:36.57 | SpeedEvil | ebbe: ... |
| 14:37.00 | Dave | I take sharp corners all the time with the FR, it's had no problems. |
| 14:37.06 | SpeedEvil | ebbe: the driver is essentially the whole GPS. |
| 14:37.15 | ebbe | Dave: I'm talking about gta01 |
| 14:37.16 | Dave | maybe one, but that's because it was around a skyscrper and it temporarily lost signal :P |
| 14:37.21 | Dave | right |
| 14:37.25 | SpeedEvil | ebbe: the hardware (for 1973) is just a dumb software radio. |
| 14:37.39 | ebbe | SpeedEvil: But gllin is not |
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| 14:37.58 | SpeedEvil | ebbe: no, it's not - hoever, without source, I can't exactly say what the issues with it are. |
| 14:38.00 | Dave | You're right, it's software :P |
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| 14:38.22 | ebbe | Stupid close source :/ |
| 14:38.25 | SpeedEvil | has auto_dcc=yes if anyone wants to send him the gllin source. |
| 14:38.25 | abraxa_ | smurfy-phil: Put the messages into a pastebin please, maybe it's something obvious |
| 14:38.46 | Dave | hehe |
| 14:39.11 | Dave | goddamn my freerunner needs more memory |
| 14:39.32 | HauDyrArb | i cant doo it captain i need more memory |
| 14:39.34 | Dave | hungry hungry freerunners |
| 14:39.53 | smurfy-phil | abraxa: http://pastebin.com/d4d935550 |
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| 14:41.36 | abraxa_ | smurfy-phil: Ahh, the infamous /space problem. There have been 2 or 3 posts on the devel mailing list the past couple of days about it |
| 14:41.55 | Dave | go go gadget swap! |
| 14:42.03 | Dave | Swap mode, Engage! |
| 14:42.08 | dtx | have the freerunners already been shipped? |
| 14:42.14 | dtx | I have not gotten any status notification |
| 14:42.22 | smurfy-phil | i can compile the sample app, calculator, but can't compile any of the panel apps |
| 14:42.24 | abraxa_ | smurfy-phil: Grepping for "space/fic" in the toolchain might give you a clue where it comes from. Maybe you can change it. |
| 14:42.24 | dtx | except saying that I ordered |
| 14:42.34 | nuclear_eclipse | dtx: order #? |
| 14:42.50 | Dave | nuclear wessels! |
| 14:42.52 | nuclear_eclipse | I got shipping confirmation last night on order #1326 |
| 14:42.56 | mmaestri | my order is #2442 |
| 14:42.56 | Xaos | dtx: orders in the low 1200's shipped last night |
| 14:43.04 | mmaestri | anyone knows something_ |
| 14:43.23 | Dave | Speedevil, I played with the screen brightness and vibrator the other day, as well as the touchscreen |
| 14:43.33 | nuclear_eclipse | hmm, vibrators, eh? |
| 14:43.46 | dtx | one sec |
| 14:43.46 | Dave | Yeah I've already made a $400 vibrator out of it :) |
| 14:43.49 | Dave | haha |
| 14:43.52 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 14:43.53 | nuclear_eclipse | awesome |
| 14:43.58 | Dave | I guess |
| 14:44.01 | nuclear_eclipse | my wife will be *happy* ;) |
| 14:44.08 | Dave | seems like a waste though if you ask me |
| 14:44.20 | mmaestri | dtx, you know something about the shipping? |
| 14:44.41 | Dave | She'd probably say, why are you giving me a shower radio to stick in me? |
| 14:44.45 | dtx | #2403 |
| 14:44.46 | Dave | *rolls eyes* |
| 14:44.50 | nuclear_eclipse | well, it *could* be a $400 vibrator that plays pr0n videos while it's going... :P |
| 14:45.18 | Dave | :D |
| 14:45.22 | mmaestri | what about #2403? |
| 14:45.25 | Dave | with it's MONO spkr? yeah |
| 14:45.28 | Dave | Oh ACTUALLY |
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| 14:45.32 | Dave | now that you mention it, nuclear_eclipse |
| 14:45.35 | dtx | order #2403 |
| 14:45.46 | Dave | I've already looked into *briefly* the Freerunner's water resistance :P |
| 14:45.49 | dtx | where are they shipping out of |
| 14:45.50 | dtx | ? |
| 14:46.02 | Dave | I'm like, this thing is SO cool, how can we NOT have a water-proof version of it :D |
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| 14:46.09 | nuclear_eclipse | dtx: fremont, CA |
| 14:46.10 | Dave | I'd totally want to take it in the pool with me :P |
| 14:46.23 | mmaestri | ok, mine is #2442. Do you know when it ships? |
| 14:46.29 | dtx | do I get a tracking number @some point |
| 14:46.32 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: I know, same here |
| 14:46.53 | nuclear_eclipse | yes, you'll get a message from UPS with a tracking number once it has shipped |
| 14:46.55 | Dave | Geotag deep end, baby! :p |
| 14:47.06 | Dave | the deep end |
| 14:47.32 | nuclear_eclipse | first vibes, now the deep end... I have a dirty mind! |
| 14:47.47 | Dave | :D |
| 14:47.49 | SpeedEvil | Dave: lucky it's got a lanyard. |
| 14:47.53 | Dave | high-fives nuclear_eclipse |
| 14:47.54 | kdubois | dtx: im order 1214, in the US, mine shipped yesterday from CA |
| 14:47.58 | Dave | yeah ;p |
| 14:48.04 | kdubois | and they give you a UPS tracking # |
| 14:48.08 | dtx | oh |
| 14:48.09 | mmaestri | nuclear_eclipse: do you know when the orders #24XX will start shipping? |
| 14:48.09 | Dave | speedevil, mine didn't come with any though :[ |
| 14:48.11 | dtx | cool |
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| 14:48.34 | mmaestri | just to calm down my anxiety :P |
| 14:48.35 | nuclear_eclipse | mmaestri: no clue |
| 14:48.39 | Dave | some of mine came with the neoprene pocket case though |
| 14:48.42 | Dave | mmaestri: clearly :D |
| 14:48.54 | nuclear_eclipse | but it seemed (to me) about 500 a day or somesuch.... |
| 14:49.01 | Dave | aw shit |
| 14:49.05 | Dave | it's melting again |
| 14:49.06 | smurfy-phil | abraxa: is there a other way writing panel addons for the freerunner (maybe python), allready done the main work as a daemon, only need a small ap which displays an icon based dbus events |
| 14:49.14 | mmaestri | and it started monday, right? |
| 14:49.22 | nuclear_eclipse | Tuesday |
| 14:49.57 | Dave | root@om-gta02:~# uptime 14:49:26 up 2 days, 9:29, 1 user, load average: 2.96, 2.75, 2.66 |
| 14:50.05 | nuclear_eclipse | nice |
| 14:50.09 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 14:50.09 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 14:50.16 | raster | yay! melting! |
| 14:50.20 | mmaestri | ok, today is thursday...it's been 1500 orders since then, right? |
| 14:50.21 | Dave | no, not yay |
| 14:50.29 | Dave | Wurp! |
| 14:50.41 | SpeedEvil | measures rasters heat of fusion. |
| 14:50.50 | Dave | It's been 90s and it's still transitioning over from the lock display screen to the home screen |
| 14:50.56 | Dave | Speedevil, excellent! >:) |
| 14:51.14 | Dave | I get this a lot, when, say, I leave an app on overnight, which must leak like a mofo |
| 14:51.19 | nuclear_eclipse | mmaestri: I'm just going by someone saying their order #10xx shipped Tuesday evening, and my #1326 shipping last night |
| 14:51.22 | Dave | but this time I don't think I left anything running :| |
| 14:51.24 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0de2a3a0215d 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/input.py: odeviced: fix LOG_ERROR typo in input.py. Patch by Tim Niemeyer. |
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| 14:51.56 | Dave | hahaha Xglamo ... apparently more like Xblamo! |
| 14:52.10 | raster | smurfy-phil: not so easily said/done |
| 14:52.15 | Dave | It's running at 90%+ CPU forever... |
| 14:52.19 | raster | ASU is different to the gtk+matchbox image |
| 14:52.20 | Dave | and balooning |
| 14:52.30 | raster | and the pure qtopia ones yet different again |
| 14:52.42 | abraxa_ | smurfy-phil: There sure is, just no one has rewritten one of the panel addons in python yet :) |
| 14:52.47 | Dave | and as usual openmoko today just keeps on balooning |
| 14:52.54 | Dave | pos |
| 14:53.02 | smurfy-phil | i use the 2007.2 image (daily) |
| 14:53.06 | raster | Dave: it may not be xglamo |
| 14:53.11 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: swapon to an external 1TB drive. |
| 14:53.12 | raster | well it may not be its fault |
| 14:53.22 | raster | rememebr its a service to draw gfx and handle input |
| 14:53.28 | raster | it COULD be an x client (eg om today) |
| 14:53.29 | Dave | raster, then what? |
| 14:53.34 | raster | continually sending heavy draw requests |
| 14:53.37 | raster | eg xrender stuff |
| 14:53.45 | raster | and that is going to be schlooooow |
| 14:53.58 | Dave | it's slow because it's using all the cpu and the phone has run out of memory |
| 14:54.01 | Dave | :D |
| 14:54.06 | Dave | also fucking neod is a pos |
| 14:54.08 | raster | smurfy-phil: dunno - thats some matchbox panel thing |
| 14:54.11 | Dave | this has been proven |
| 14:54.20 | dtx | Qtopia runs on X right? |
| 14:54.27 | Dave | aroo |
| 14:54.28 | raster | Dave: i caught my asu image being slooow |
| 14:54.29 | SpeedEvil | dtx: yes |
| 14:54.32 | raster | thinkign it was glamo |
| 14:54.37 | raster | it actually was the wifi driver |
| 14:54.46 | raster | hald had also baloomed to 30+mb |
| 14:54.46 | Dave | haha if I could take a picture of the screen right now, I would |
| 14:54.55 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.57 | Dave | raster, this isn't the first time this has happened to me, as well |
| 14:55.06 | Dave | Though clearly from my uptime, it's particularly bad right now :D |
| 14:55.13 | raster | and hald + wpa_supplicant + wifi driver between them were eating al the cpu and xglamo wassuffering badly as a result |
| 14:55.21 | Dave | oh gawd, hald,... hahaha |
| 14:55.28 | Dave | it's memory usage is off teh scales |
| 14:56.05 | Dave | It's one of the worst offenders, I'd say. |
| 14:56.18 | Dave | Sensibly, I suppose, but still not particularly excusable. |
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| 14:56.25 | dtx | The pure Qtopia one will come with gtk & all libs for that right? |
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| 14:56.49 | dtx | Because I dislike Qt licensing |
| 14:57.02 | Dave | hah |
| 14:57.03 | raster | hald should never offend memory-wise |
| 14:57.13 | raster | it really should be a tiny in-the-background daemon |
| 14:57.16 | raster | theres something up |
| 14:57.17 | Dave | Raster, hahaha I have to find that screenshot then :D |
| 14:57.19 | XorA | wonders what dtx finds offensive with GPL |
| 14:57.33 | Dave | Raster I have it on two separate freerunners yesterday using 256M |
| 14:57.36 | Dave | :D |
| 14:57.39 | raster | dtx: no . pure qtopia is.. pure qtopia |
| 14:57.55 | dtx | No GTK?? |
| 14:57.58 | Dave | So yes, I'd venture a guess that "something is up," as you said :p |
| 14:57.59 | dtx | Isn't that kind of limiting |
| 14:58.00 | raster | of coursenot |
| 14:58.03 | raster | qtopia != x11 |
| 14:58.14 | raster | u cant use anything gtk when using qtopia |
| 14:58.23 | raster | qtopia has itsown windowing system (qws) |
| 14:58.28 | raster | thats why ASU exists |
| 14:58.34 | raster | it has a port of qtopia back to x11 |
| 14:58.35 | dtx | so Qtopia doesn't run on X |
| 14:58.39 | raster | and uses X |
| 14:58.45 | raster | and thus gtk and everything else works |
| 14:58.54 | raster | "pure" qtopia does not |
| 14:59.01 | raster | (run on x) |
| 14:59.11 | dtx | yikes |
| 14:59.12 | Dave | raster, I initially flashed ASU (the hybrid build), it was terribly unstable and quite laggy :p |
| 14:59.12 | raster | the only version fo qtopia that does is the one in ASU |
| 14:59.16 | Dave | so I ditched it |
| 14:59.47 | raster | qtopia apps are quite laggy |
| 14:59.54 | dtx | Why did we ditch the GTK interface? |
| 14:59.55 | raster | the qtopia engine is very nasty gfx-wise |
| 14:59.58 | raster | very inefficient |
| 15:00.02 | raster | it's being fixed tho |
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| 15:00.10 | Dave | :[ |
| 15:00.15 | dtx | Couldn't we have used the qtopia libs for controlling the phone while keeping the old interface? |
| 15:00.18 | raster | dtx: the gtk apps did have major usability issues |
| 15:00.23 | raster | but more they were unstable |
| 15:00.30 | raster | and our management much preferred qtopia |
| 15:00.32 | raster | they loved it |
| 15:00.33 | Dave | raster, yes well, I wish someone would attempt to debug some of these terrible leaks :| |
| 15:00.35 | raster | and wanted qtopia |
| 15:00.37 | Dave | even opkg! |
| 15:00.43 | Dave | I've blown it up a couple times now |
| 15:00.57 | raster | and qtopia isnt "qtopia libs" |
| 15:00.59 | Dave | I think I already submitted one initial report about that one though |
| 15:00.59 | raster | its qpe |
| 15:01.05 | raster | its one big process that does the phone handling |
| 15:01.12 | raster | also the gui for dialling, calling etc. |
| 15:01.12 | dtx | I see |
| 15:01.14 | Dave | shudders |
| 15:01.18 | raster | that is exactly what asu is |
| 15:01.21 | Dave | smells like fail |
| 15:01.23 | raster | its using the bits of qtopia |
| 15:01.29 | Dave | similarly like openmoko-today |
| 15:01.31 | wurp2 | dtx: See SHR |
| 15:01.36 | wurp2 | ~SHR |
| 15:01.36 | apt | it has been said that shr is Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 15:01.45 | Dave | hah! |
| 15:01.48 | Tanuva | where does qtopia store the .desktop files for the launcher? |
| 15:02.02 | wurp2 | Dave: Gotta pimp our stuff |
| 15:02.05 | dtx | So it does come with GTK libs? |
| 15:02.08 | wurp2 | Even if it doesn't exist just yet |
| 15:02.24 | wurp2 | dtx: To whom are you speaking? |
| 15:02.52 | dtx | anybody who can answer accurately |
| 15:03.02 | Dave | hells yeah |
| 15:03.03 | dtx | because I see "some of the 2007.2 GTK software" |
| 15:03.04 | raster | Tanuva: /usr/share/applications |
| 15:03.25 | Dave | oh man |
| 15:03.34 | raster | dtx: ASU comes with gtk, qt, efl, etc. etc. |
| 15:03.40 | raster | its a standard "x11 desktop" |
| 15:03.42 | Dave | Pimp Your Freerunner! |
| 15:03.43 | Tanuva | raster: thanks :) |
| 15:03.46 | raster | ie - coms with multiple toolkits |
| 15:03.48 | Dave | :D |
| 15:03.51 | raster | use the one youlike best |
| 15:04.13 | raster | its meant to tole qtopia vs x11/gtk flamewar at bayry and at least keep the qh |
| 15:04.17 | raster | by offering all of it |
| 15:04.21 | raster | anduser gets to choose |
| 15:04.38 | Dave | Choose your own demise. |
| 15:04.51 | wurp2 | dtx: But we don't know what "it" is w/o knowing to whom you're talking |
| 15:04.51 | raster | as i said before |
| 15:05.02 | raster | the gtk apps were slow - a lot due to the bad choice of theme engine and theme engine code |
| 15:05.04 | dtx | Freerunner |
| 15:05.05 | Dave | Some unknown entity! |
| 15:05.08 | raster | and were not very usabel |
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| 15:05.15 | raster | the icons were obscure and u dodnt know what to press |
| 15:05.15 | wurp2 | dtx: Freerunner is hardware, not software |
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| 15:05.19 | raster | but a fix of theme |
| 15:05.20 | Dave | raster's typing is cute. |
| 15:05.27 | raster | chaniging icons or icon to labels |
| 15:05.30 | raster | would have helped a lot |
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| 15:05.41 | raster | there wasstil just general bugs and stability |
| 15:05.44 | dtx | OK, I was wondering if this Freerunner I have coming to me will have be able to run GTK apps out of the box |
| 15:05.48 | raster | that was a lot due to gsmd |
| 15:05.51 | raster | and partly the gtk apps |
| 15:05.59 | raster | but the gtk stack had the blame heaped on it mostly |
| 15:06.04 | raster | unfortunately for it |
| 15:06.08 | dtx | yeah |
| 15:06.17 | SpeedEvil | wonders how stable gtk apps'd be if they had the work that went into ASU. |
| 15:06.26 | XorA | SpeedEvil: rock solid |
| 15:06.35 | XorA | SpeedEvil: and sitting on top of the ASU demons |
| 15:06.45 | raster | and there was much pressure to "make qtopia work on our phones because we need to ship something that makes calls" |
| 15:06.46 | XorA | SpeedEvil: FSO deamons |
| 15:06.46 | Dave | demons is right! :P |
| 15:06.54 | Dave | eeeeeeeeeeevil! |
| 15:06.54 | Chocky | all |
| 15:06.59 | raster | you dont know how close u were to having phones ship with only pure qtopia |
| 15:07.01 | raster | :) |
| 15:07.19 | wurp2 | raster: I hate to say it, but wouldn't that have been better? |
| 15:07.24 | dtx | So the phone's we are getting run Qtopia with an X layer on top of it |
| 15:07.27 | raster | i would say no |
| 15:07.27 | dtx | in which GTK can run? |
| 15:07.34 | raster | as then u eiother qrite all apps using qt |
| 15:07.40 | raster | and thus all apps u write MUST be GPL |
| 15:07.46 | wurp2 | dtx: The phone, when you get it, has the 2007.2 release on it, which is all GTK |
| 15:07.48 | raster | OR you pay a license fee to trolltech |
| 15:07.55 | raster | not exactly what i call freedom |
| 15:07.56 | dtx | oh |
| 15:07.57 | wurp2 | The stuff Raster talks about is ASU, another release |
| 15:08.04 | raster | if the only brand of freedom is the gpl lbrand |
| 15:08.12 | Chocky | ugh |
| 15:08.19 | dtx | great! |
| 15:08.20 | wurp2 | SHR is a third release, and Qtopia a fourth (although Qtopia comes from TrollTech, not OM or the OM community) |
| 15:08.21 | dtx | I like GTK |
| 15:08.22 | raster | dtx: no. X is the windowing system in ASU |
| 15:08.23 | Chocky | I prefer my freedom in multiple flavors |
| 15:08.28 | raster | dtx: exactly like your desktop |
| 15:08.30 | raster | no different |
| 15:08.33 | raster | it runs a window manager |
| 15:08.41 | raster | and uses qtopia based apps for phone stuff |
| 15:08.46 | dtx | ok |
| 15:08.48 | dtx | excellent |
| 15:08.52 | raster | and runs the qtopia (qpe) "process" for al the call handling |
| 15:08.53 | dtx | That sounds perfect for me |
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| 15:09.11 | dtx | I'm glad its not the other way around |
| 15:09.18 | wurp2 | But in ASU, Qtopia has been ported to run on X, so people often talk about Qtopia in here when they really mean the Qtopia in ASU |
| 15:09.18 | raster | if it were pure qtopia |
| 15:09.27 | raster | u would only have qws as the windowing system |
| 15:09.33 | raster | and u'd be stuck to using qt for your gui |
| 15:09.41 | raster | and thus your apps would be gpl - or pay a fee to trolltech |
| 15:09.43 | dtx | thank god you guys did that |
| 15:09.50 | raster | u cant licesne as bsd, miot-x11 or any otheross license |
| 15:09.55 | Dave | :D |
| 15:10.00 | raster | by doing a standard x based ui |
| 15:10.02 | raster | with standard wm |
| 15:10.06 | raster | porting qtopia back to x11 |
| 15:10.17 | raster | so its the same as normal qt (the qt behind kde) |
| 15:10.19 | wurp2 | raster: I'm not suggesting that we go for Qtopia on the framebuffer in the long term |
| 15:10.25 | raster | in ternms of being able to run on x11 |
| 15:10.29 | raster | u hgave your freedom back |
| 15:10.30 | raster | :) |
| 15:10.44 | wurp2 | raster: I'm suggesting that for the shipment, if you want a phone that works & media player, etc, Qtopia is the most stable platform right now |
| 15:10.49 | leinir | Indeed - the Qtopia stack is rather different, and i'm glad that one's finally shown up on the list of latest images on the wiki - makes the distinction a little bit more clear :) |
| 15:10.55 | raster | wurp2: the phones dont ship with asu |
| 15:10.56 | Chocky | ok kids. I'm going to do a wiki page of order numbers vs shipping confirmations |
| 15:11.05 | raster | wurp2: they ship with the gtk ui |
| 15:11.08 | wurp2 | And frankly ASU so far has been a cluster, because it broke the 2007.2 release and still isn't usable for a phone |
| 15:11.11 | wurp2 | raster: I know |
| 15:11.22 | wurp2 | But 2007.2 was broken for a while, not sure if it is now |
| 15:11.40 | wurp2 | The porting of other UI toolkits that's being done in the ASU project seems like a great plan |
| 15:11.42 | raster | no one inside OM is bothering about 2007.2 |
| 15:11.51 | wurp2 | The other stuff, not so much |
| 15:11.53 | raster | not as their job at any rate |
| 15:12.05 | wurp2 | raster: That's my point - shipping with 2007.2 and not bothering about it is an issue |
| 15:12.12 | raster | personally i'm never goingto use asu |
| 15:12.19 | raster | i agree - its a clusterfuck |
| 15:12.27 | wurp2 | ack |
| 15:12.28 | dtx | ASU means what exactly? |
| 15:12.33 | raster | i've been removing options because product management insist on them beingremvoed |
| 15:12.36 | wurp2 | that scares me to see you say that! |
| 15:12.43 | wurp2 | raster: :-( |
| 15:12.46 | raster | config options i put there because i know peolpe will want to change things |
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| 15:12.50 | raster | i know i sure as hell do |
| 15:13.00 | raster | but it was deemed that users "dont need thoseconfigoptions" |
| 15:13.05 | raster | so all ability to change them is gone |
| 15:13.16 | raster | and for me thats a veto on ever using the thing |
| 15:13.23 | leinir | Holy crap, what are they on?! |
| 15:13.25 | raster | and if the developers who work on it arent wanting to use it... |
| 15:13.28 | wurp2 | raster: Wouldn't it have been nicer to have an "advanced" checkbox somewhere that hid them? |
| 15:13.32 | raster | i agree - thats a great sign of a major clusterfuck |
| 15:13.48 | wurp2 | (or unhid them, rather) |
| 15:13.54 | dtx | what options exactly? |
| 15:14.00 | dtx | examples? |
| 15:14.01 | raster | wurp2: not allolwed to have an advanced checkbox |
| 15:14.06 | raster | it "Clutters the ui" |
| 15:14.09 | leinir | wurp2: No, advanced is very, very wrong - see the kde usability mailing list archives for a long and exhaustive discussion on why :) |
| 15:14.12 | raster | its "too confusing for users" |
| 15:14.14 | raster | ... |
| 15:14.27 | raster | the only way u will get it if u hack the code yourself |
| 15:14.27 | leinir | It does not clutter the ui, the term "advanced" is pure idiocy |
| 15:14.31 | leinir | Who's it advanced for? |
| 15:14.34 | wurp2 | leinir: !!?! |
| 15:14.40 | raster | as obviously all advanced users are goingtopatch and rebuild the code to make it work for them |
| 15:14.42 | raster | ... |
| 15:14.43 | raster | NOT |
| 15:14.55 | wurp2 | leinir: I disagree completely |
| 15:15.05 | raster | dtx: simple options like being able to separayely set time until the screen blanks and if the system will suspend or not |
| 15:15.23 | raster | dtx: so u can set it to blank in 60 seconds, but never suspend (because u are hacking on it over usb) |
| 15:15.27 | raster | but it was deemed too complex |
| 15:15.38 | leinir | wurp2: Right, so... How do you define the term "advanced"? |
| 15:15.39 | raster | so u have a choice of setting thetime until it blanks |
| 15:15.40 | raster | or turning off blanking |
| 15:15.49 | raster | and it will ALWAYS suspend immediately after it blanks |
| 15:16.00 | dtx | ew |
| 15:16.03 | wurp2 | leinir: I don't think it's terribly important how you define it... maybe it should be "detailed" configuration |
| 15:16.04 | raster | even tho the code has separate options for each |
| 15:16.04 | dtx | that is dumbtarded |
| 15:16.16 | raster | and can do it in a way that u can make it do what u want |
| 15:16.23 | wurp2 | It's the options you think people aren't going to want to fiddle with most of the time, except when they do |
| 15:16.26 | dtx | can you not edit a .file |
| 15:16.26 | raster | things like being able to choose what "gadgets" are on the "top bar" |
| 15:16.28 | dtx | ? |
| 15:16.34 | raster | eg battery, gsm, wifi, usb, bluetooth etc. |
| 15:16.43 | raster | being able to enable/disable them |
| 15:16.44 | raster | removed |
| 15:16.49 | dtx | argh |
| 15:16.51 | dtx | that is stupid |
| 15:16.59 | dtx | this is an OS |
| 15:17.01 | leinir | wurp2: And... How do you find that information? : |
| 15:17.05 | leinir | :) |
| 15:17.09 | raster | being able to determine if animation happens or not |
| 15:17.11 | dtx | ship with acceptable defaults and let advanced users do their own thing |
| 15:17.13 | leinir | Which features are used more often? :) |
| 15:17.18 | raster | (eg keyboard slides in or just pops up) |
| 15:17.20 | raster | and the framerate |
| 15:17.25 | raster | (10fps, 20, 30, 60fps etc.) |
| 15:17.31 | wurp2 | leinir: It's the options half the people working on it think no one will ever use |
| 15:17.31 | raster | u get the defaults |
| 15:17.36 | raster | and no choice to change them |
| 15:17.46 | dtx | that is stupid |
| 15:17.51 | dtx | can't edit .files? |
| 15:17.55 | raster | no |
| 15:17.59 | wurp2 | leinir: So your choice is, leave them out, put them in the normal option list, or put them in the "detailed" option list |
| 15:18.01 | raster | config is in binary files |
| 15:18.04 | leinir | wurp2: And the people working on it being developers of course use the software the same way the vast majority of users who *aren't* developers do, yes? ;) |
| 15:18.07 | raster | (thyats enlightenment config) |
| 15:18.18 | raster | it want designed to have users go behind the ui's back and edit .files |
| 15:18.23 | wurp2 | leinir: No, the developers are "advanced" ;-P |
| 15:18.31 | raster | it was designed to ALWAYS provide an easy gui-way o configre anything |
| 15:18.39 | leinir | wurp2: The word you are looking for is "different" ;) |
| 15:18.41 | raster | so u dont HAVE to go editing files |
| 15:18.51 | wurp2 | leinir: You can tell me that "advanced" is very, very wrong. I just don't believe you, or don't agree, take your pick |
| 15:18.53 | raster | i have a config dialog for setting all of these thigns and mroe |
| 15:18.53 | dtx | is there a pkg we can install to reenable that capacity |
| 15:18.54 | raster | thereis a gui |
| 15:18.57 | raster | but it will be removed |
| 15:19.01 | raster | because it is "ot desired" |
| 15:19.05 | wurp2 | leinir: Anyway, I should work. |
| 15:19.09 | raster | err |
| 15:19.11 | raster | not desired |
| 15:19.14 | leinir | wurp2: ok, have fun! :) |
| 15:19.15 | raster | and no |
| 15:19.18 | raster | no package u can install |
| 15:19.30 | raster | u'dd need a different set of initial default config files |
| 15:19.34 | raster | i can brew them up |
| 15:19.36 | raster | but its a lot of effort |
| 15:19.38 | raster | even then |
| 15:19.48 | raster | theres lotsof bits of the ui that i just really dont like |
| 15:19.51 | raster | REALLy dont like |
| 15:19.56 | raster | so i'm just not going to bother |
| 15:20.08 | raster | i'll end up maintaining my own os images most likely |
| 15:20.18 | dtx | you gonna make a public repository? |
| 15:20.20 | leinir | Right... openmoko-raster? ;) |
| 15:20.20 | raster | with a completely different ui |
| 15:20.26 | raster | len likely - yes |
| 15:20.38 | raster | as i sure am not going to use ASU as my phone |
| 15:20.39 | leinir | i shall be looking forward to seeing that :) |
| 15:20.50 | Sup3rkiddo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.56 | raster | dtx: i willo - but all my time is sunk into asu |
| 15:21.04 | dtx | right |
| 15:21.10 | raster | it will just take time |
| 15:21.24 | dtx | ~ASU |
| 15:21.25 | apt | i heard asu is the April Software Update, an release name for a OpenMoko distribution. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan. |
| 15:21.30 | dtx | ah |
| 15:21.46 | XorA | fork(raster); |
| 15:21.57 | raster | XorA: aye |
| 15:21.58 | raster | :) |
| 15:22.07 | raster | i'll base it off asu |
| 15:22.18 | raster | but i'll likely be firstly changing a lot of illume/e |
| 15:22.24 | raster | doin a few more modules |
| 15:22.38 | raster | probably integrate in FSO when it is stable |
| 15:22.42 | raster | and use the dbus api's |
| 15:23.10 | raster | i am personally not comfy with FSO's ui as it currently stands |
| 15:23.14 | raster | but thats all a prsonal thing |
| 15:23.16 | raster | :) |
| 15:23.44 | leinir | That's where illume/e comes in, yeah? ;) |
| 15:24.03 | raster | well its alreayd used for ASU |
| 15:24.13 | raster | i just will strip out the stuff i dont like |
| 15:24.15 | raster | and put in the stuff i do |
| 15:24.15 | leinir | *nods* :) |
| 15:24.24 | Chocky | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Where_is_my_Freerunner%3F |
| 15:25.16 | nuclear_eclipse | Chocky: mine is #1326, got shipping confirmation last night, gonna add that to the page |
| 15:25.23 | Chocky | very good |
| 15:25.39 | Chocky | 1345 here - no confirmation ;-( |
| 15:25.47 | nuclear_eclipse | my condolences |
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| 15:27.13 | Chocky | bet they shipped 1344 :p |
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| 15:28.11 | dtx | hey raster would it be possible to make the interface more modular |
| 15:28.22 | nuclear_eclipse | btw, hi Chocky :P |
| 15:28.32 | dtx | or dynamic I guess I should say |
| 15:30.06 | Chocky | mushroom cloud |
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| 15:30.43 | leinir | orchard |
| 15:32.47 | PBeck | can anybody confirm the gps problems? |
| 15:32.59 | mmaestri1 | can anyone tell how looks like the shipping confirmation mail from UPS? What does it says, who's the sender, etc. |
| 15:33.16 | raster | dtx: you will need to be a lot more specific |
| 15:33.16 | tonyg | Is mokomakefile still the preferred way to get into hacking on the whole source tree? |
| 15:33.38 | nuclear_eclipse | mmaestri1: it's a standard QuantumView notification direct from UPS |
| 15:33.42 | dtx | Can the removed parts not be compiled as loadable modules? |
| 15:33.45 | tonyg | dtx, I've had Squeak smalltalk running on gta01 |
| 15:34.20 | nuclear_eclipse | mmaestri1: Subject: UPS Ship Notification, Tracking Number .... |
| 15:35.44 | abraxa_ | PBeck: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1542 and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/020961.html |
| 15:35.49 | raster | dtx: they are intrinsic parts of an existing module |
| 15:35.54 | raster | tey are things the moduel already does |
| 15:35.58 | raster | even if u could download a module |
| 15:36.07 | raster | the gui to select a module to enable is disabled |
| 15:36.12 | raster | ... |
| 15:36.26 | raster | with enough coding u can write a module |
| 15:36.32 | raster | finally to "break into" the existing code |
| 15:36.40 | raster | and go and start adding thingsback |
| 15:36.46 | raster | its not an insignificant amount of work |
| 15:36.51 | mmaestri1 | thx nuclear_eclipse |
| 15:36.53 | raster | the code wasint intended or designed to do this |
| 15:36.58 | raster | it was desined to have options |
| 15:36.58 | PBeck | thanks abraxa_ |
| 15:37.03 | raster | and u - the user get to choose them |
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| 15:37.18 | raster | i have disabled many of them on request |
| 15:37.19 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r7148a0158dde 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py: |
| 15:37.19 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] add support for org.freesmartphone.GSM.HoldActive(), i.e. |
| 15:37.19 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: holding a call without activating any waiting or other held call. See fso ticket #15 |
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| 15:38.57 | dtx | was this a support issue or something |
| 15:39.11 | dtx | I just don't see why they would pull a move like removing features |
| 15:39.29 | dtx | when faced with things like Windows Mobile and Android |
| 15:39.38 | dtx | which are highly customizable |
| 15:39.56 | raster | because features confuse users |
| 15:39.58 | raster | and its open sourc |
| 15:40.03 | raster | eyou can write your own gui if u want! |
| 15:41.08 | _ferric | tonyg: depends on what you want to build, 2007.02 is unmaintained, ASU is unstable and FSO is pretty much useless. |
| 15:41.15 | dtx | haha, not complaining about the GUI, btw, just the decision to remove features. Features confuse users who see them. So why wouldn't they just make you create an advanced tab or something. |
| 15:41.21 | _ferric | but mokomakefile builds them all |
| 15:41.21 | tonyg | _ferric, thanks |
| 15:41.25 | dtx | Or make you edit a hidden file to enable the options |
| 15:41.42 | tonyg | I am interested in building a new kernel for GTA01, and a minimal userland. It doesn't have to have anything but a running X server |
| 15:42.06 | _ferric | tonyg: take a look at mokokmakefile and FSO then |
| 15:42.23 | tonyg | What's "FSO"? |
| 15:42.27 | tonyg | (I'll look at the wiki) |
| 15:42.31 | _ferric | freesmartphone.org |
| 15:42.34 | dtx | ~FSO |
| 15:42.34 | apt | from memory, fso is the freesmartphone.org software release. It includes the backbone software for the phone hardware (and some other things) and a working dialer, and not much else. |
| 15:42.34 | _ferric | k |
| 15:43.16 | mickey|openezx | _ferric: useless??? |
| 15:43.18 | mickey|openezx | heh |
| 15:43.31 | _ferric | mickey|openezx: ;-) |
| 15:43.37 | mickey|openezx | userless, maybe ;) |
| 15:43.42 | tonyg | ok, that's probably enough for me. |
| 15:43.54 | _ferric | mickey|openezx: not saying that FSO isn't the FUTURE, but it only has a working dialer... :) |
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| 15:44.23 | mickey|openezx | sure thing, from a pure users perspective this is right |
| 15:44.34 | mickey|openezx | but from a developers perspective it's quite different |
| 15:44.42 | _ferric | mickey|openezx: yep, looks like it does have a ton of stuff in the iamge tho, like a working wm etc. |
| 15:44.53 | wurp2|away | mickey|openezx: It's not userless |
| 15:44.57 | _ferric | mickey|openezx: agreed, which is why I think tonyg should go make FSO ;) |
| 15:45.08 | wurp2|away | I have used it exclusively for the last ~ week |
| 15:45.30 | mickey|openezx | wow, that's cool. I promise there'll be lots of things we can do UI-wise |
| 15:45.35 | mickey|openezx | but you know... first thing is the cellar |
| 15:45.38 | mickey|openezx | then the rooms ;) |
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| 15:47.17 | wurp2|away | mickey|openezx: Hallelujah |
| 15:47.50 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|openezx: You mean souterrain not cellar, right? SCNR |
| 15:48.13 | mickey|openezx | hahaha |
| 15:48.17 | mickey|openezx | ~shoot stefan_schmidt |
| 15:48.18 | apt | ACTION shoots stefan_schmidt in the eye with a cork gun! |
| 15:48.22 | mickey|openezx | :D |
| 15:48.32 | stefan_schmidt | :D |
| 15:48.33 | XorA | ouch |
| 15:48.46 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: No problem, I'm bulletproof |
| 15:49.04 | stefan_schmidt | You need to be that if you are bad to people the whole day. :) |
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| 15:49.30 | mickey|openezx | hehe |
| 15:49.52 | mickey|openezx | remaining day is openezx work |
| 15:49.57 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|openezx: good |
| 15:50.03 | mickey|openezx | did I say that now that I've seen EZX, I fell in love with the TI Calypso again? :D |
| 15:50.11 | raster | mickey|openezx: yo. what are your plans with the fso ui? |
| 15:50.23 | raster | so far as best i see its 1 big fullscreen window of 1 app/process |
| 15:50.25 | raster | thats it |
| 15:50.25 | raster | ? |
| 15:50.33 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|openezx: rmk today applied 6 of our 9 posted patches. Means with .27-rc1 you should have EZX options in your kernel. :) |
| 15:50.56 | stefan_schmidt | raster: All you need for a dialer right now. |
| 15:51.01 | stefan_schmidt | yo raster, btw |
| 15:51.08 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r6cad74081e67 10/ (setup.py src/illume.pyx src/illume_kbd.c): add support for the illume keyboard |
| 15:51.08 | mickey|openezx | raster: to make it fluid, to make it rock. it's nowhere as I want it, but it was the best thing I could take (from josch, btw., i didn't write it) to demo the framework |
| 15:51.09 | raster | stefan_schmidt: yo |
| 15:51.28 | mickey|openezx | raster: lets talk about doing some kick ass thing once the framework is more or less done |
| 15:51.35 | raster | mickey|openezx: ok ok. |
| 15:51.48 | raster | mickey|openezx: after i get done wit asu i'm damn well going to make my own om images |
| 15:51.54 | mickey|openezx | yep |
| 15:51.54 | raster | and make a setup of e that doesnt suck |
| 15:52.00 | mickey|openezx | righto. lets work togehter on that |
| 15:52.01 | raster | that has config options |
| 15:52.03 | stefan_schmidt | Good to hear |
| 15:52.07 | raster | and what not |
| 15:52.21 | mickey|openezx | stefan_schmidt: (6 of 9) amazing! |
| 15:52.22 | raster | and i dont much care about keeping the qtopia apps |
| 15:52.24 | mickey|openezx | congrats |
| 15:52.29 | raster | so... it's FSO for me |
| 15:52.56 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|openezx: Still _a lot_ to do. But a first step. |
| 15:53.00 | raster | but i'll need to work on the whole "desktop env" first before tackling phone stuff |
| 15:53.08 | raster | so FSO can continue on its own for a bit |
| 15:53.29 | raster | just was wondering how much effort u are going to invest in the existing fso ui |
| 15:53.54 | Chocky | moo |
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| 15:54.01 | Ainulindale | There's an UI on FSO ? Wow :-) |
| 15:54.10 | raster | yes |
| 15:54.11 | _ferric | not yet, Ainulindale |
| 15:54.21 | Chocky | fnar. ship my FR already :-( |
| 15:54.21 | raster | its a cute little python fulsccreen app |
| 15:54.26 | Ainulindale | _ferric: I know, I was trying to be sarcastic :-) |
| 15:54.29 | _ferric | haha |
| 15:54.32 | _ferric | ok sorry |
| 15:54.39 | _ferric | i'm only on my frist cup of coffee |
| 15:54.41 | _ferric | er, first |
| 15:54.44 | raster | _ferric: it actualy does have a ui |
| 15:54.45 | Chocky | me too. |
| 15:54.45 | HauDyr | Just to ask like every new moko user what 2007.2 GTK Image do you recommend thats newer than the 20080424 image? |
| 15:54.50 | _ferric | what up Chocky |
| 15:55.04 | Chocky | still on my frist cup too ;-) |
| 15:55.09 | _ferric | HauDyr: you could use FSO, depends on what you want |
| 15:55.30 | _ferric | Chocky: best to stay quiet then |
| 15:55.42 | Chocky | yes, wouldn't want to look even more foolish |
| 15:55.48 | _ferric | no, not anymore. |
| 15:55.59 | HauDyr | i think i want 2007.2 on my internal memory and FSO on the SD |
| 15:56.45 | _ferric | not sure if you can still successfully build 2007.2 but its worth a shot |
| 15:57.13 | Chocky | maybe we should work on improving a single image instead of worrying about which one to use ;-) |
| 15:57.28 | _ferric | Chocky: oi. welcome to open source development. |
| 15:57.31 | Qwell | Chocky: But Open Source is about choice! :D |
| 15:57.33 | Chocky | I know, I know |
| 15:57.39 | _ferric | yes |
| 15:57.41 | Chocky | did OE stuff some years ago |
| 15:57.54 | Chocky | still do various embeddded |
| 15:57.56 | Chocky | er, -d |
| 15:57.56 | _ferric | watches as a dinosaur jumps out of Chocky's computer and mauls him to death |
| 15:58.01 | Chocky | sweet |
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| 15:58.05 | HauDyr | _ferric, i was talking about the pre buidl images |
| 15:58.05 | _ferric | Chocky: pick an image and start hacking. |
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| 15:58.27 | Chocky | well, I _did_ do the ARM OpenOffice.org 1.1 port years ago |
| 15:58.34 | Chocky | that would almost run on FR |
| 15:58.42 | Chocky | screen is a bit small though |
| 15:58.48 | _ferric | HauDyr: ah. yes, you could certainly try and run one of those - I don't know if it would run on the FR but it should |
| 15:58.54 | _ferric | Chocky: oh - very cool! |
| 15:59.16 | Chocky | anyway, no hacking until I have a phone. |
| 15:59.30 | tonyg | Actually if I'm going to bother building the whole thing I guess I'd like to know about how the GTA01 stands with regard to battery life and suspend/resume these days |
| 15:59.35 | _ferric | and more coffee? |
| 15:59.38 | Chocky | yes |
| 15:59.41 | Chocky | besides, I'm at work |
| 15:59.43 | _ferric | tonyg: baaaaad. |
| 15:59.47 | tonyg | still?? |
| 15:59.48 | tonyg | bummer |
| 15:59.54 | _ferric | tonyg: much better than before, though :-) |
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| 16:00.10 | tonyg | before, I was getting 4.5 to 5 hours on a full charge, no suspending |
| 16:00.17 | _ferric | i can suspend/resume sorta on my 01 with FSO and make and receive calls |
| 16:00.22 | Chocky | charge of coffee? |
| 16:00.27 | tonyg | if suspend works, I can probably get that up to a day's worth, right? |
| 16:00.34 | tonyg | what does "sorta" mean? |
| 16:00.38 | tonyg | userlang problems, or kernel problems? |
| 16:00.41 | HauDyr | has anyone tried the 2007.02 image build today on their FR? |
| 16:00.51 | tonyg | power-drain-while-suspended problems? non-wake-up problems? lost-gsm-bytes problems? |
| 16:00.54 | _ferric | tonyg: with the stock images from milestone1, it suspends, resumes, but then suspends immediately |
| 16:01.02 | _ferric | tonyg: look at... hold on I have a URL |
| 16:01.07 | tonyg | thanks _ferric |
| 16:01.50 | HauDyr | ebbe hvilket image bruger du ? |
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| 16:02.50 | Chocky | mmoo |
| 16:04.20 | _ferric | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_UI_Tutorial |
| 16:04.24 | _ferric | god that took forever |
| 16:04.27 | tonyg | :) |
| 16:04.29 | tonyg | thanks _ferric |
| 16:04.37 | Chocky | don't forget: |
| 16:04.42 | Chocky | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Where_is_my_Freerunner%3F |
| 16:04.47 | _ferric | lol |
| 16:04.49 | _ferric | forget that. |
| 16:04.52 | tonyg | . o O ( man I'm pleased I haven't seen mokomakefile do anything using mtn yet... git is a big improvement ) |
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| 16:10.16 | sitwon | did anyone else order on the 3rd and not receive a shipping number yet? |
| 16:10.23 | Chocky | yes |
| 16:10.30 | Chocky | what is your order number? |
| 16:10.52 | sitwon | 1669 |
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| 16:10.59 | Chocky | I will add that to the page |
| 16:11.21 | CVirus | FSO can do suspend ? |
| 16:11.24 | CVirus | and resume normally ? |
| 16:11.42 | mwester | Not really |
| 16:11.55 | mwester | Closer than other unmodified images, though. |
| 16:12.02 | CVirus | I see |
| 16:12.10 | CVirus | can any image in the meantime do so ? |
| 16:12.10 | Chocky | 1326 is the last order number on the list with a shipping confirmation |
| 16:12.21 | tonyg | so, is building FSO (from scratch) a slower or faster process thank 2007.2? |
| 16:12.22 | tonyg | *than |
| 16:12.54 | mwester | CVirus: I have one that works ok on the GTA01 (GTA02 mostly works, but someone checked in a patch that broke it yesterday) |
| 16:13.10 | Xaos | relet: (whoever you are) Thanks for helping clean up and add to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 16:13.55 | CVirus | mwester: how many hours can it last ? |
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| 16:15.27 | mwester | :( Not sure... the GTA01 doesn't wake from suspend when the battery is low, so it quietly powers off -- since I wasn't watching, all I know is that it's >18 hours. The GTA02 left the wifi running, so it was pretty much flat after about 13 hours. |
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| 16:16.37 | tonyg | mwester, I've been following the GTA01 suspend/resume/gsm work you've been doing on the om-kernel list. Very much appreciated. |
| 16:16.47 | mwester | :) Thanks. |
| 16:17.10 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r81c0fbf4b997 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input.plugin input.vala): * input: add watchfor plugin key. Removes some hardcoding |
| 16:17.16 | mwester | We'll get there, we're closer than ever before. |
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| 16:17.43 | mickey|openezx | mwester: so you're in charge of the debug branch now? |
| 16:18.03 | mwester | :D I don't think so. |
| 16:18.06 | tonyg | mwester, I've just started my build (make fso-image) - is there magic I should have done to ensure I get a GTA01-configured kernel? |
| 16:18.12 | mickey|openezx | no? darn, you should be . |
| 16:18.54 | mwester | Andy's a good guy, as long it's reasonable, I think we'll get what needs to be on the debug branch. |
| 16:19.21 | mwester | tonyg: edit local.conf, IIRC |
| 16:19.26 | tonyg | thanks |
| 16:19.38 | mickey|openezx | mwester: ok, sounds good. I think the debug branch may be the proper branch for future fso milestones. |
| 16:19.42 | tonyg | MACHINE = "om-gta01" ? |
| 16:19.46 | mickey|openezx | until we get this 100% solid |
| 16:20.04 | mwester | goes back to writing instructions on the 2007.2 suspend/resume fixes... |
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| 16:20.41 | mwester | mickey|openezx: That's my goal, frankly -- to miinimize what might end up in OE instead of where it belongs. |
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| 16:22.32 | Dave | gah |
| 16:22.35 | Dave | sooooooo sloooooooooooooooooooooooooow |
| 16:22.38 | Chocky | Dave |
| 16:22.48 | Chocky | what was your order number? |
| 16:22.52 | Chocky | :p |
| 16:23.05 | Dave | root@om-gta02:~# uptime 16:22:27 up 2 days, 11:02, 1 user, load average: 2.95, 2.77, 2.67 |
| 16:23.14 | Dave | I don't have an order number. |
| 16:23.16 | Chocky | indeed |
| 16:23.19 | abraxa_ | kdean06: Think you can add some of your findings to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions ? |
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| 16:23.38 | Dave | oh sweet, I finally got back to the home screen |
| 16:23.41 | Dave | it only too four minutes! |
| 16:23.43 | Lo-lan-do | G'day all |
| 16:23.56 | mickey|openezx | mwester: *nod* |
| 16:24.58 | Xaos | abraxa_: is kdean06 here? |
| 16:25.14 | Lo-lan-do | Question: can the available stacks read phone book data from the SIM card? |
| 16:25.19 | abraxa_ | Xaos: Yeah, he joined 4 minutes ago. Hence why I jumped him :) |
| 16:25.25 | kdean06 | Xaos, Yes. :) |
| 16:25.31 | kdean06 | abraxa_, Sure. |
| 16:25.41 | abraxa_ | kdean06: Awesome, thanks |
| 16:25.49 | Xaos | thanks kdean06! |
| 16:26.16 | Xaos | I've been leaving up the window and working on other crap in the meantime and missed it |
| 16:27.12 | Xaos | One feature I'm really going to miss when I give up my RAZR (to my wife) is the voice-independent dialing |
| 16:27.26 | kdean06 | Question... Should I put all the info in this one place, or create a duplicate site... Sometimes the answers are different depending on the device you're using. For instance... I've not seen the ASU or the GTK 2007.02 stack run on ANYTHING but an Openmoko Neo device, but the FSO image runs on other things... And some things work on Freerunner that don't work on 1973. :S |
| 16:29.53 | Xaos | kdean06: I would like to keep this to the Neo's, but others might want the other hardware in here...whatever works best. |
| 16:30.05 | kdean06 | Okay, I kid of assumed that. :P |
| 16:30.08 | kdean06 | kind* |
| 16:30.16 | kdean06 | But when the Neo devices differ? |
| 16:30.35 | kdean06 | Meh. Nevermind. :P |
| 16:30.36 | Xaos | kdean06: wonder if we can flag the info somehow |
| 16:30.41 | kdean06 | I'll assume the user knows. :P |
| 16:31.16 | kdean06 | Xaos, Well, for instance the GTK image for 1973 actually has buttons for "turn on Wifi". |
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| 16:31.25 | kdean06 | Which I think is dumb. :P |
| 16:31.27 | kdean06 | Anyway... |
| 16:31.35 | kdean06 | Yeah, I'll answer these. :P |
| 16:32.03 | kdean06 | Xaos, For "URL" did you intend that to be a reference to images, or like the project websites or the SVN or... ? |
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| 16:35.13 | Xaos | kdean06: just somewhere to go get more info...it should probably be better defined |
| 16:35.20 | Xaos | I just threw stuff up |
| 16:35.35 | kdean06 | :0 |
| 16:35.39 | kdean06 | I'll be creative then. |
| 16:35.46 | Xaos | feel free! |
| 16:35.56 | abraxa_ | watches out for Xaos throwing up all over the wiki |
| 16:36.05 | Xaos | I have no ego involved here...just wanting to get info out there |
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| 16:36.15 | Xaos | abraxa_: ewwwwww |
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| 16:36.33 | abraxa_ | Could not resist ;) |
| 16:37.09 | Xaos | LOL |
| 16:37.47 | Fossi | my (and my collegues) fr (unflashed) cat /dev/ttySAC1 only spits out a "$GPGGA,,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*48" every second. no fix, no nothing |
| 16:37.53 | Fossi | :( |
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| 16:39.21 | Fossi | also: are there any gps stickantennas? 2m + dongle sounds awful to carry around |
| 16:39.47 | abraxa_ | Fossi: btw, you asked yesterday: "dbus-launch gconftool-2 -R /" lists all settings you can alter using gconf |
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| 16:44.52 | wurp2|truly_away | copies that off to his little private wiki... |
| 16:45.02 | Chocky | sekret! |
| 16:45.59 | Fossi | abraxa_: thanks. figured that out. rtfm helps ;) |
| 16:46.11 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r1f17214065a3 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/input.plugin: input: plugin keyfile in sync with frameworkd |
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| 16:50.47 | kdean06 | Okay, I have a serious question and this isn't about the Wiki page itself... What is PIM? |
| 16:51.02 | kdean06 | I know it's Personal Information Management... |
| 16:51.02 | kdean06 | But what specifically must it do to be PIM? |
| 16:51.36 | kdean06 | I mean, the wiki says that the GTK 2007.02 stack doesn't have it, but I would have answered "Yes" to that question... SO what makes it PIM rather than just... data storage? |
| 16:52.03 | Xaos | Should we maybe break that up to Contacts, Calendar, ToDo, etc.? |
| 16:53.01 | Fossi | well, at least my 2007 series aplication manager has a category named 'pim' ;D |
| 16:53.17 | kdean06 | Well, irrespective, I'd still like to know the answer. :P I mean, is it literally just "Apps that roughtly emoulate Microsoft Outlook's capabilities" or must it doe something more, like expose the data there to other applications or... |
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| 16:54.56 | kdean06 | Some info has been added. :) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 16:54.58 | Xaos | Maybe a simple yes/no is not adequate. I would be interested in knowing if the functionality is there and stable |
| 16:55.00 | abraxa_ | kdean06: If you have an address book, can handle messages and a calendar, you have basic PIM - anything else is bonus, imo |
| 16:55.08 | kdean06 | Okay. |
| 16:55.27 | kdean06 | Then I'd say that the GTK stack DOES have basic PIM, I'll change that. :) |
| 16:56.12 | Xaos | ok...maybe even qualify as to things being "very basic" or "super advanced functionality with telepathic controls" ;-) |
| 16:56.20 | kdean06 | He he |
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| 16:56.38 | Xaos | You realize I've never even touched one of these devices yet...mine should show up on Tuesday |
| 16:57.14 | kdean06 | Xaos, I don't think any image is supposed to have telepathic control... I hear the human-brain interface isn't slated to be added to Linux till 2.6.28. :) |
| 16:57.29 | nuclear_eclipse | that soon?! :D |
| 16:57.35 | Qwell | kdean06: There's support already in 2.6.20 |
| 16:57.38 | Xaos | kdean06: ahhh...no wonder I was getting segfaults when attempting that |
| 16:57.39 | kdean06 | And very few applications read for input from /dev/brain |
| 16:57.55 | cozub | what's worse... some write there :-P |
| 16:57.58 | kdean06 | cat /dev/null > /dev/brain |
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| 16:59.02 | Xaos | cat /dev/random > /dev/brain |
| 16:59.16 | kdean06 | NOP |
| 16:59.24 | Fossi | cat /dev/brain > /dev/random |
| 16:59.32 | Fossi | really good source of random shit |
| 16:59.45 | Xaos | Fossi: that's nothing special...that happens anyway |
| 17:00.13 | Fossi | or rather ln -s /dev/brain /dev/random |
| 17:00.20 | Chocky | yes, but you need an OSS brain for it work properly. the documentation for other versions is closed |
| 17:00.36 | HauDyr | i have tried flashing my FR to the most recent build the only thin not working is scroll :-) |
| 17:00.42 | nuclear_eclipse | reverse-engineer the firmware |
| 17:00.56 | Chocky | yes, but that's not slated for completion until 2030 |
| 17:01.36 | Xaos | Chocky: I got the manual for the closed-source /dev/brain from the vendor |
| 17:01.40 | Chocky | hm. |
| 17:01.40 | Fossi | what kdean06: i don't get that list anyway. is meant by: Connectivity GPS: no |
| 17:02.12 | Chocky | bet you had to sign an NDA |
| 17:02.14 | Xaos | somebody else put in the headings...I guess connectivity should be "Wireless"? |
| 17:02.22 | Xaos | LOL |
| 17:02.23 | kdean06 | I assumed that means "GPS Applications". By default, the 1973 doesn't do any GPS because of the non-free driver. |
| 17:02.23 | Fossi | that sounds like the 2007 kernel doesn't support gps |
| 17:02.30 | Fossi | ah, ok |
| 17:02.40 | kdean06 | But hte freerunner, in theory, can, but there's no software installed. |
| 17:02.55 | kdean06 | TangoGPS on the Freerunner should work just fine (in that mythical land of Theory). |
| 17:03.01 | Fossi | ok, so what uses the wifi then? |
| 17:03.12 | SpeedEvil | Fossi: ssh |
| 17:03.17 | kdean06 | In the ASU, Campwifi or whatever. |
| 17:03.20 | Xaos | Maybe we can change the "no" to "Yes, through third-party software" |
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| 17:03.36 | kdean06 | Go for it. :) |
| 17:03.42 | Xaos | ok... |
| 17:04.00 | Chocky | can someone on the mailing list post my wiki page? |
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| 17:04.16 | Chocky | esp. in reply to the 10-pack 2267 guy |
| 17:04.21 | Xaos | does TangoGPS work on all the stacks? |
| 17:04.43 | Fossi | well, not SHR ;) |
| 17:04.50 | kdean06 | I'm not sure about the FSO but I assume yes. |
| 17:05.40 | kdean06 | I mean... TO a certain extent it's like asking "Does linux do thing X". |
| 17:06.12 | Xaos | true... |
| 17:06.20 | kdean06 | Well... Yes, depending on the distro. :P All of the images run on X11 and I assume all of them work using the same kernel, which would in theory expose all hardware fuctions to them all. :) |
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| 17:06.37 | kdean06 | Like... IF you installed TangoGPS on the FSO image, I think it would work. |
| 17:06.44 | Xaos | which is why we probably need to differentiate on things that work out of the box from those that work, but need another app installed |
| 17:06.46 | kdean06 | But that's true of ALL of the images. :) |
| 17:07.15 | kdean06 | Yeah, there's so many caveats that my brain struggles to answer. I've always hated surveys for just that reason... I'm way too technical. :P |
| 17:07.35 | Xaos | but it is possible for one of the distros to NOT have say bluetooth drivers working (or being flaky) |
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| 17:08.04 | Xaos | in other words, what works with a bare bones flash of the image... |
| 17:08.33 | Xaos | can you USE the GPS...answer is yes, but you have to have an app that does it. |
| 17:08.42 | SpeedEvil | cat |
| 17:08.44 | kdean06 | Right. :) |
| 17:08.46 | Xaos | for SMS, the answer may be no even IF you have the app installed |
| 17:08.56 | Xaos | (bad example...but you get the point) |
| 17:09.03 | kdean06 | I tend to answer ONLY based on what works from the user interface on a fresh flash. |
| 17:09.11 | Xaos | exactly |
| 17:09.26 | Xaos | which is why we have the footnotes |
| 17:09.34 | kdean06 | WHich is why I say none of them have GPRS, though it CAN be hacked on the GTK images and liberal use of the terminal. :) |
| 17:10.28 | Xaos | maybe footnotes to that effect would be useful too |
| 17:10.41 | Xaos | I'll add that one in |
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| 17:11.02 | Xaos | how do you do cool superscript in the wiki? |
| 17:11.23 | `pwgen` | mickeyl|openezx: http://pastebin.com/m34a4986f sleep resume cycle wacht sebstaendig auf ohne anruf |
| 17:11.57 | mickey|openezx | hmm |
| 17:12.02 | mickey|openezx | i'd need the syslog, not the kernel log |
| 17:12.03 | mickey|openezx | logread |
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| 17:12.42 | nuclear_eclipse | Chocky: it's been posted |
| 17:12.47 | Chocky | by me ;-) |
| 17:12.51 | nuclear_eclipse | doh |
| 17:12.52 | Chocky | subscribed |
| 17:13.04 | nuclear_eclipse | I just sent one because I didn't see any :P |
| 17:13.09 | Chocky | heh, no matter |
| 17:13.18 | nuclear_eclipse | spam the links! |
| 17:13.21 | Chocky | someone else was suggesting one, and I wanted to avoid a second list |
| 17:14.23 | Xaos | kdean06: thanks for helping to fill out that chart...much better now. |
| 17:15.01 | `pwgen` | mickeyl|openezx: http://pastebin.com/m25220330 |
| 17:15.44 | Xaos | What I'm getting out of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions is that for the "average" user, OM2007.2 which comes on the phone is probably what they want to keep if they want the phone to "just work" |
| 17:16.01 | Xaos | FSO appears to be the future, but the apps need to be ported. |
| 17:16.19 | Xaos | ASU is too early to tell and SHR is probably where we will all end up at. ;-) |
| 17:16.24 | _ferric | except that 2007.2 cannot make/receive calls! |
| 17:16.30 | doc|work_ | haha |
| 17:16.32 | Xaos | ok...lunchtime...brb |
| 17:16.34 | doc|work_ | so !just work |
| 17:16.45 | Fossi | i guess shr won't make it |
| 17:16.48 | Xaos | _ferric: huh...how joking are you? |
| 17:16.57 | Fossi | it's just seems like too much work |
| 17:17.06 | _ferric | Xaos: not at all. |
| 17:17.15 | _ferric | Fossi: don't ever lose hope. |
| 17:17.52 | Fossi | well, the only good thing is that only shr really is community driven |
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| 17:18.27 | Fossi | fso and asu feel more like "wait until it's ready" to me |
| 17:18.27 | _ferric | shrug. stabilizing software takes time. |
| 17:18.45 | Fossi | i'd rather package stuff up and get involved now |
| 17:19.07 | _ferric | Fossi: what's stopping you? |
| 17:19.34 | Fossi | well, at the moment i still need a couple f hours to toy around with the fr ;) |
| 17:19.36 | mickey|openezx | `pwgen`: ya, that's most likely the extended status stuff i talked about. should be fixed in HEAD |
| 17:19.57 | _ferric | Fossi: oi. excuses |
| 17:20.07 | Fossi | so there's not much left to actually work on anything. when that's done (and my vacations come next week), i will :) |
| 17:20.08 | Chocky | and so it grows: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Where_is_my_Freerunner%3F |
| 17:20.09 | `pwgen` | HEAD of what ? kernel frameworkd ? |
| 17:20.18 | Fossi | *time |
| 17:20.48 | _ferric | Fossi: good idea |
| 17:20.57 | mickey|openezx | `pwgen`: frameworkd |
| 17:21.05 | _ferric | Fossi: well, my point was that it just takes a lot of people over a long time |
| 17:21.28 | `pwgen` | ahh thx ... ill wil build it .. updateing .... |
| 17:21.46 | Fossi | _ferric: yeah |
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| 17:21.57 | Fossi | but organisation is a big part of that |
| 17:22.18 | _ferric | Fossi: you know about #openmoko-cdevel yeah? :) |
| 17:22.22 | Fossi | and atm i don't feel like openmoko inc and the community is connected much |
| 17:22.23 | _ferric | it's only in the topic |
| 17:22.25 | Fossi | yeah |
| 17:22.40 | Fossi | been there yesterday, but now i have to work some more ;) |
| 17:23.09 | _ferric | cool. |
| 17:25.50 | carrar | Chocky, yeah no freerunner here yet either :( |
| 17:26.19 | Chocky | aw. what number? |
| 17:26.23 | carrar | 2318 |
| 17:26.37 | Chocky | add it ;-) |
| 17:26.46 | carrar | only thing I got, is that they tookk my money |
| 17:26.50 | carrar | heh |
| 17:26.50 | Chocky | yeh |
| 17:26.55 | Chocky | I will at it real quick |
| 17:27.03 | Chocky | just a single yes? |
| 17:27.13 | carrar | yes, single |
| 17:27.21 | Chocky | done |
| 17:27.43 | carrar | Order date (07/05/2008) |
| 17:27.43 | Chocky | heh. 1326 has shipped, but 1328 hasn't |
| 17:27.55 | Chocky | didn't bother to record order dates |
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| 17:28.31 | kelvie_work | I wonder.. if it were sold in stores |
| 17:28.34 | kelvie_work | would anyone line up for it? |
| 17:28.47 | Chocky | not hyped enough |
| 17:28.55 | mjr | I don't think there would be a lineup |
| 17:28.57 | Chocky | and not going to be sold in millions |
| 17:29.08 | Chocky | iPhone, Windows 9x, PS3, etc, etc |
| 17:29.11 | mjr | people would show up but they wouldn't have to line :] |
| 17:29.34 | kelvie_work | I actually wonder how many people will miss work to go get an iphone |
| 17:29.46 | Chocky | or don't have a job so they can ;-) |
| 17:29.51 | kelvie_work | even here in Canada where they'll rip you off hard |
| 17:30.06 | carrar | get them to buy it using scare tactics like, You can't control your standard commerical phone and prevent the phone company monitoring you |
| 17:30.15 | carrar | heh |
| 17:30.20 | carrar | remotely turn on mic |
| 17:30.24 | carrar | remotely turn on camera |
| 17:30.39 | carrar | Scare them into the openmoko!! :) |
| 17:31.44 | Tanuva | Is there a qtopia-x11 toolchain or something like that available somewhere? the qtopia-phone source isnt too helpful |
| 17:32.14 | doc|work_ | carrar: pfft, you don't need any of that. Just: "Look, and here's me installing something without apple's approval!" |
| 17:32.40 | carrar | hahah |
| 17:32.53 | doc|work_ | I actually wanted to walk past a queue for the iphone doing that. "So, yeah, it allows me to install any apllication I want without jailbreaking or paying jobs" |
| 17:33.09 | doc|work_ | while talking to someone else :) |
| 17:33.23 | Chocky | just don't tell them the software isn't complete ;-) |
| 17:33.35 | doc|work_ | minor detail :) |
| 17:33.43 | kelvie_work | you can't persuade apple fanboys :p |
| 17:33.43 | Chocky | doc|home: what was your order number? |
| 17:33.50 | doc|work_ | Chocky: 3032 |
| 17:33.54 | Chocky | adds |
| 17:33.59 | doc|work_ | Chocky: already added :P |
| 17:34.01 | Chocky | fnar |
| 17:34.22 | Chocky | you missed the bulk column entry |
| 17:34.31 | Chocky | oh wait |
| 17:34.33 | carrar | When the open moko comes in brushed aluminum then the apple people will buy it |
| 17:34.34 | Chocky | no you :p |
| 17:34.48 | doc|work | bad Chocky |
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| 17:37.08 | pjj | anyone any idea how much has to be done to make the freerunner usuable for every day usage? will it take weeks,months a year? |
| 17:37.25 | Chocky | month or two with luck. but who knows. |
| 17:37.34 | Chocky | these things take time |
| 17:37.46 | pjj | ofcourse |
| 17:38.19 | kelvie_work | are we not hoping it'll speed up really quickly? :p |
| 17:38.25 | Chocky | one hopes |
| 17:38.26 | kelvie_work | with all the new developers on board |
| 17:39.18 | eeedora | i just came over that trolltech (qtopia.net) has released a "flash image" for freerunner.. tho there's a little "problem". rootfs is just the rootfs compressed, not a jffs2 flash image. how do i make a jffs2 image out of this? is it a tool out there, or do i need to use mkfs.jffs2? |
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| 17:41.51 | Chocky | and so the list grows |
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| 17:42.17 | kelvie_work | yep.. just added mine |
| 17:42.26 | mmaestri | I've added myself to the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Where_is_my_Freerunner%3F list |
| 17:42.30 | Chocky | good, good |
| 17:42.36 | mmaestri | order no #2442 |
| 17:43.10 | kelvie_work | I have a feeling I should have kept my order in the 1400s with the slow shipping, rather than cancel and re-order in the 1700s with faster shipping |
| 17:43.12 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * rf68893b23aee 10/multicat/multicat: add multicat, a tool to open a bunch of serial terminals and dump their output |
| 17:43.14 | kdean06 | http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/open-moko-software.ars/1 |
| 17:43.18 | Chocky | heh |
| 17:44.05 | Chocky | anyway, it looks like I just missed out on shipping yesterday |
| 17:44.11 | Chocky | blames Chase |
| 17:44.25 | mwester | eeedora: Sounds like its supposed to be installed to the SD card. |
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| 17:46.38 | eeedora | roger that, but it is stil possible to fash it to nand if you make it as a jffs2 first. rite? |
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| 17:47.05 | sitwon | kelvie_work: "are we not hoping it'll speed up really quickly? :p / with all the new developers on board".... read "The Mythical Man-Month" |
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| 17:48.32 | kelvie_work | sitwon: interesting... |
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| 17:50.35 | CVirus | i' gayyyy |
| 17:50.40 | CVirus | i'm really a gay |
| 17:50.48 | CVirus | sorry it's my co-woker |
| 17:50.52 | doc|work | you're really someone on CVirus's computer |
| 17:51.15 | kdean06 | "Not that there's anything wrong with that". |
| 17:51.23 | Chocky | yawn |
| 17:51.27 | Chocky | but where's my FR? |
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| 17:51.35 | doc|work | I dunno man, knob -> ass, something about that is very unattractive :) |
| 17:51.42 | doc|work | jokes - doesn't care |
| 17:52.00 | Chocky | doc|home: please no quotes from Team America |
| 17:52.24 | doc|work | hmmm? |
| 17:52.26 | Chocky | slaps BX auto nick completion |
| 17:52.29 | Chocky | don't worry ;-) |
| 17:52.36 | doc|work | ah |
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| 17:54.09 | Staticwave_Ace | Chocky: people still use BX? |
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| 17:59.49 | Chocky | yes |
| 17:59.57 | Chocky | it's convinient |
| 18:00.17 | Chocky | unobtrusive |
| 18:02.18 | Staticwave_Ace | Chocky: tried irssi? |
| 18:02.23 | Chocky | ugh |
| 18:02.26 | Chocky | no thanks |
| 18:02.27 | faern | Anyone knows when the shop will be refilled with the 900 band model? |
| 18:02.42 | Chocky | week or two |
| 18:02.55 | nuclear_eclipse | faern: s/refilled/filled/ ;) |
| 18:03.10 | nuclear_eclipse | they haven't actually gotten any 900's into the shop yet :P |
| 18:04.01 | faern | ooh. I thought they were sold out :P |
| 18:04.03 | nuclear_eclipse | faern: it says that, but it's wrong, they just didn't get any in yet |
| 18:04.45 | Xaos | well...they ARE sold out...they originally had ZERO and they sold them all |
| 18:04.47 | Xaos | ;-) |
| 18:04.53 | faern | lol |
| 18:04.59 | faern | a |
| 18:05.28 | nuclear_eclipse | Xaos: funny man |
| 18:05.50 | _ferric | how hard is it to fix that shop to say, not available yet? |
| 18:05.51 | Xaos | Who says I'm a man? |
| 18:05.58 | _ferric | i wonder if it is a publicity stunt. :/ |
| 18:06.01 | Xaos | Remember...on the Internet...nobody knows you're a Dog |
| 18:06.25 | Xaos | nuclear_eclipse: (I am, but you shouldn't take it for granted) |
| 18:11.41 | *** join/#openmoko hari (n=hklein@i59F722DC.versanet.de) |
| 18:11.41 | faern | I hope they have the Webshop re-open gifts until the 900 is in stock. I want the laser stylus :P |
| 18:11.41 | linuxxr | u didnt order the 2 exter batteries ,sac,stylus too? |
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| 18:11.44 | faern | that would be nice |
| 18:11.44 | faern | does two extra batteries imply that the battery time is aweful? :P |
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| 18:11.44 | Xaos | will the FR maintain power if plugged into the USB while swapping batteries? or is that "not recommended"? |
| 18:11.45 | Xaos | Also, I thought the FR came with a 1700mAh battery...the pics on the Spares Pack shows a 1200mAh battery stamped as GTA01 |
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| 18:12.00 | doc|work | Xaos: no, that changed |
| 18:12.18 | faern | changed to 1700? |
| 18:12.22 | Xaos | doc|work: what changed? |
| 18:12.35 | doc|work | Xaos: the battery, from 1700 back down to 1200 |
| 18:12.40 | Xaos | oh...bummer |
| 18:12.40 | Chocky | fnar, someone after me has a shipping confirmation |
| 18:12.53 | doc|work | Chocky: ouch |
| 18:13.18 | faern | why change back to 1200? :/ battery life is the most important part imho |
| 18:13.22 | *** join/#openmoko DocCod (n=doctomoe@88.207.136.98) |
| 18:13.24 | Xaos | so, it might be a good idea to get the two spares then...eh? I guess I'll have to use my FR as a charger too or is there a compatible battery charger somewhere? |
| 18:13.51 | doc|work | faern: not sure |
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| 18:14.33 | SpeedEvil | xaid|work: observe the writing on it |
| 18:14.42 | SpeedEvil | Xaos: it says that it's for GTA01 |
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| 18:15.04 | SpeedEvil | Xaos: I suspect it's a error. |
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| 18:15.48 | Xaos | are the batteries functionally compatible between the GTA01 and GTA02? |
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| 18:17.01 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 18:17.05 | Xaos | ahh |
| 18:17.06 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it. |
| 18:17.15 | SpeedEvil | GTA02 has a smart battery. |
| 18:17.26 | Xaos | I thought I had seen that somewhere |
| 18:17.30 | DocCod | hi all |
| 18:17.55 | Xaos | Look! It's an Anagram! |
| 18:18.08 | DocCod | :P |
| 18:18.16 | DocCod | all ym usual nicks are already taken |
| 18:18.57 | DocCod | does anyone happen to have a clue on how to get grps working in ASU? |
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| 18:20.31 | Xaos | DocCod...If you like Anagrams, have you seen this Weird Al Video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nej4xJe4Tdg |
| 18:20.38 | Xaos | Every line is an anagram.... |
| 18:21.08 | DocCod | Xaos: haven't seen it, thanks :P |
| 18:21.21 | Xaos | I was watching it with my wife and about half-way through, it hit me what they were...she said she was severely disturbed that I picked that up |
| 18:21.30 | DocCod | lol |
| 18:21.32 | nuclear_eclipse | Xaos: that's not an anagram :P |
| 18:21.38 | nuclear_eclipse | it's a palindrome ;) |
| 18:21.56 | Xaos | damn...you're right...brain fart! |
| 18:22.05 | nuclear_eclipse | stinks :P |
| 18:22.12 | Xaos | palindrome...not to be confused with a paladin (for you WoW players) |
| 18:22.16 | nuclear_eclipse | yep |
| 18:22.21 | DocCod | so, noone using gprs? |
| 18:22.25 | Xaos | s/anagram/palindrome/ |
| 18:22.43 | Xaos | DocCod: I don't even have my FR yet, so...no, sorry |
| 18:23.14 | nuclear_eclipse | I should have mine by this time tomorrow =D |
| 18:23.37 | DocCod | Xaos: i feel like a pioneer :P |
| 18:24.12 | DocCod | trying to get the FR up and running (more or less) for a few days now |
| 18:24.36 | DocCod | so far i got gps running |
| 18:24.43 | Xaos | please help by documenting anything you find... |
| 18:24.54 | Xaos | what/how dod you get gps running? TangoGPS? |
| 18:25.08 | Xaos | are you running 2007.02 (the default OS install)? |
| 18:25.15 | Xaos | s/dod/did/ |
| 18:25.17 | DocCod | no, i'm running asu |
| 18:25.20 | SpeedEvil | 2007.2/tangogps should be easy |
| 18:25.20 | DocCod | daily build |
| 18:25.34 | nuclear_eclipse | DocCod: have you tried FSO at all? |
| 18:25.46 | DocCod | my problem in asu was that there is no interface at all to switch the GPS on from the UI |
| 18:25.56 | Xaos | DocCod: cool...go to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions and let me know what you've got working |
| 18:25.56 | DocCod | so i had to code one in pyGTK :P |
| 18:26.15 | DocCod | also the GPS is very slow to get afix |
| 18:26.22 | Xaos | put the python script up where we can get it too |
| 18:26.22 | SpeedEvil | Deubeuliou: In the beginning was the word. |
| 18:26.25 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 18:26.39 | DocCod | so i had to try some agps stuff |
| 18:26.40 | Xaos | I'll have mine on Tuesday and will want to rock-n-roll with it as soon as the battery is charged |
| 18:26.54 | DocCod | upload almanac to the gps, etc. from assistnow online |
| 18:27.04 | DocCod | hence why i want gprs working |
| 18:27.19 | Xaos | DocCod: can you do that through WiFi? Or does it need to happen all the time? |
| 18:27.20 | DocCod | so i can use gps while on the run |
| 18:27.25 | nuclear_eclipse | gprs would be nice to have |
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| 18:27.33 | DocCod | the data is valid for like 4 hours only |
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| 18:27.50 | DocCod | so if you don't have wifi nearby, the gps might prove quite unusable |
| 18:27.58 | nuclear_eclipse | s/have/have working/ |
| 18:28.00 | Xaos | I'm not that interested in GPRS because I don't have a data plan (can't justify the personal cost at the moment) |
| 18:28.09 | DocCod | without assitnow, it can take like 20, 30 minutes to get a fix |
| 18:28.18 | Xaos | ouch |
| 18:28.35 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: indoors? |
| 18:28.37 | DocCod | where i live, you get a 3G+ flatrate without data limit for 18 euro a month |
| 18:28.39 | SpeedEvil | docc |
| 18:28.46 | DocCod | SpeedEvil: no, outdoors :P |
| 18:28.57 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: germany? |
| 18:29.00 | DocCod | there are several discussions going on |
| 18:29.08 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: ? |
| 18:29.08 | DocCod | about GPS antenna being quite weak |
| 18:29.14 | DocCod | no, Luxembourg |
| 18:29.22 | SpeedEvil | DocCod: :( |
| 18:29.26 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: sorry |
| 18:29.32 | doc|work | :) |
| 18:29.36 | DocCod | the godo thing being that it also includes flatrate gprs :P |
| 18:29.47 | SpeedEvil | DocCod: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
| 18:29.54 | Xaos | well, when you have 4 kids, you look for everything you can cut from the budget...so...no GPRS for me |
| 18:30.36 | DocCod | SpeedEvil: thanks, i will add my data once i have a full implementation of assistnow working |
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| 18:30.54 | jmichel | I would have a question conserning building GTK application with Glade, I have read on the wiki that Glade support should be added in OpenMoko but I thought GTK on OM was the same library than on the desktop. I try to build an app done using Glade and it is not building (cannot find gtk_builder_new())) |
| 18:30.57 | DocCod | so far i only feed my guessed location and the time to the gps, which improves the fix time to < 5 min |
| 18:31.30 | DocCod | once i get grps and full almanac data working, the fix should be pretty quick |
| 18:31.34 | jmichel | So how come Glade apps are not building on OM? |
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| 18:31.56 | DocCod | nuclear_eclipse: yes, i tried FSO |
| 18:32.16 | DocCod | nuclear_eclipse: it seems solid, but you can't really do anything with it (besides calling and receiving calls) |
| 18:32.30 | nuclear_eclipse | DocCod: that's exactly what I wanted to hear :) |
| 18:32.50 | emilis_info | what about sending/receiving sms? |
| 18:32.54 | jmichel | And if Glade is not working, is there any other Gui building that can be used ? |
| 18:33.00 | nuclear_eclipse | I'm planning to flash that to my FR, and then set up a dual boot on the SD card for other stacks |
| 18:33.03 | DocCod | emilis_info: not yet implemented in FSO |
| 18:33.32 | emilis_info | DocCod, and FSO is the thing I'll receive via UPS tomorrow? |
| 18:33.34 | emilis_info | :) |
| 18:33.44 | nuclear_eclipse | nope |
| 18:33.50 | emilis_info | ok |
| 18:33.52 | DocCod | jmichel: i have been using succesfully pyGTK so far |
| 18:33.54 | nuclear_eclipse | you'll get OM2007.2 |
| 18:33.57 | emilis_info | ok |
| 18:34.03 | DocCod | emilis_info: no, you'll have a slimmed down version of OM 2007.2 |
| 18:34.13 | emilis_info | ok |
| 18:34.26 | DocCod | emilis_info: calling and sms should be ok with that one |
| 18:34.27 | emilis_info | is OM 2007.02 stable enough to call+sms? |
| 18:34.31 | emilis_info | ooooh ok |
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| 18:34.36 | DocCod | emilis_info: but you'll run out of battery like every 5 hours |
| 18:34.41 | emilis_info | that would be better than my current phone |
| 18:34.44 | emilis_info | hmmm |
| 18:34.45 | nuclear_eclipse | yep |
| 18:34.49 | emilis_info | shit |
| 18:34.52 | emilis_info | that's worse |
| 18:34.53 | emilis_info | :D |
| 18:34.56 | DocCod | fso is like 20 hours |
| 18:35.09 | DocCod | i'm doing some testing to improve that as well :P |
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| 18:35.25 | emilis_info | can I test FSO on VirtualBox or something? |
| 18:35.27 | DocCod | by switching of some of the chipsets when not in use |
| 18:35.27 | nuclear_eclipse | DocCod: is that 20 hours evenwith the screen/gps/wifi turned off? |
| 18:35.49 | kelvie_work | how's the battery life on the ASU? |
| 18:35.51 | DocCod | nuclear_eclipse: no, it includes suspending, no gps, no wifi, etc. |
| 18:36.03 | jmichel | DocCod: I guess pyGTK generates GTK code instead of an XML file that must be loaded by a Glade library? |
| 18:36.11 | DocCod | kelvie_work: pretty low so far |
| 18:36.26 | DocCod | jmichel: it generates python code actually |
| 18:37.28 | jmichel | DocCod: ok but I have a complete C application to which I only what to add the GUI... |
| 18:37.41 | jmichel | so Puthon is not what I'm looking for |
| 18:37.44 | jmichel | Python |
| 18:37.46 | DocCod | jmichel: ah, ok, so that might prove more difficult |
| 18:38.16 | jmichel | But why is there a difference between GTK on OM and GTK a my normal Linux desktop ? |
| 18:38.34 | DocCod | jmichel: have you verified that glade is properly installed? |
| 18:38.48 | linuxxr | much faster id hope |
| 18:38.57 | DocCod | because the root images do not contain all of the available packages |
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| 18:39.07 | linuxxr | lighter |
| 18:39.19 | HauDyr | what do you do when your eth device is using 192.168.0.x and the usb device is also on 192.168.0.200? |
| 18:39.31 | Dave | Hello. |
| 18:40.18 | jmichel | DocCod: Installed where, I'm building my Glade application with bitbake in the OM build environment (generated with mokomakefile) |
| 18:40.20 | HauDyr | how can i then contact the moko? |
| 18:40.32 | Dave | Ask it politely? :) |
| 18:40.40 | HauDyr | please |
| 18:40.42 | faern | DocCod: 20 hours!! :/ I thought they had reached a week or so :( |
| 18:41.33 | HauDyr | Dave, with sugar on top |
| 18:42.00 | DocCod | jmichel: ah, sorry, i haven't tried the OM build env yet |
| 18:42.23 | DocCod | faern: yep, but still already ~4 times better than OM and FSO |
| 18:43.14 | linuxxr | what linux distro do u people develope on? |
| 18:43.27 | linuxxr | desktop wise |
| 18:43.30 | DocCod | i conevniently use ubuntu :P |
| 18:43.58 | jmichel | linuxxr: I'm using Opensuse |
| 18:44.04 | faern | DocCod: but it has the potential to run for a week I have heard. When will someone be smart and implement that powersaving? :D |
| 18:44.04 | DocCod | i was a gentoo user (and developer) before |
| 18:44.08 | leinir | arklinux :) ...but i'm not a dev yet ;) |
| 18:44.32 | DocCod | faern: let's hope so. I think the kernel developers are working hard on improving the pm performance |
| 18:45.32 | DocCod | noone happens to know where asu tells qtopia which device to use for gsm modem? |
| 18:45.48 | linuxxr | i like opensuse to but im a slacker an certainly not a dev |
| 18:46.03 | DocCod | if i could find that out, i could redirect this to the multiplexer and get (hopefully) gprs working |
| 18:47.22 | abraxa_ | DocCod: Might wanna ask ljp |
| 18:48.23 | DocCod | abraxa_: thanks |
| 18:49.43 | wurp2|work | Does anyone know what the "other" things are taking up power, preventing FSO from suspending for a week and still having enough battery to resume? |
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| 18:50.14 | DocCod | wurp2|work: i think the gsm modem is the main energy sucker |
| 18:50.18 | rivalarrival | HauDyr: You use better subnet masks |
| 18:50.22 | Chocky | moose |
| 18:50.28 | DocCod | wurp2|work: as it wakes up too often |
| 18:50.52 | DocCod | wurp2|work: besides that i think wifi and display should take their share as well |
| 18:50.55 | HauDyr | rivalarrival, i asked and i can also use route |
| 18:51.27 | wurp2|work | DocCod: wifi and display take power while it's suspended? |
| 18:51.36 | Dave | Doctor Cod! |
| 18:51.41 | Dave | what's poppin' wurp? |
| 18:52.02 | Dave | waves to Chocky |
| 18:52.06 | wurp2|work | DocCod: I am running FSO, and I've seen it maybe twice woken up when I expected it would be suspended, I wrote that off to me not remembering properly |
| 18:52.09 | HauDyr | rivalarrival, the problem is that people sitting behind a router often uses 192.168.0.x as their ip |
| 18:52.16 | wurp2|work | Dave: Aren't you the social butterfly :-) |
| 18:52.17 | ahven | what is the latest usable image for neo1973? |
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| 18:52.26 | Chocky | hm |
| 18:52.30 | Dave | :) |
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| 18:52.44 | nuclear_eclipse | HauDyr: some routers (like mine) use 192.168.1.x |
| 18:52.44 | Dave | :o |
| 18:52.47 | wurp2|work | DocCod: I didn't realize it was waking at all... I thought gsm went into deep sleep and sent a signal to wake the device only if it got a call |
| 18:52.52 | lpotter | DocCod: Qytopia gets it set in the QTOPIA_PHONE_DEVICE environmental variable |
| 18:53.02 | Dave | nordmenn! |
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| 18:53.39 | rivalarrival | HauDyr: Yeah, I know. I discovered that with several projects, and it almost invariably causes a problem somewhere... That's why I switched to 192.168.10.x |
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| 18:56.17 | HauDyr | the 192.168. range is maby too common maby the 172.16.0.0 range would give fewer problems? (its only a feature request :-) |
| 18:57.02 | rivalarrival | Or, and here's a thought: How about the ability to change it? |
| 18:57.06 | DocCod | lpotter: thanks |
| 18:57.07 | Chocky | hah |
| 18:57.09 | nuclear_eclipse | no wai! |
| 18:57.13 | Chocky | rivalarrival: too sensible |
| 18:57.17 | rivalarrival | lol |
| 18:57.29 | DocCod | wurp2|work: i haven't investigated in detail yet, but it's what i read at various places |
| 18:57.38 | leinir | rivalarrival: What in the world are you on, that would mean a *gasp* new option! ;) |
| 18:57.47 | Chocky | option explosion |
| 18:58.22 | leinir | i think that, possibly, it would be a good idea to kick the project managers really, really hard for that decision |
| 18:58.23 | rivalarrival | Just out of curiosity, why can't it be changed easily? |
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| 19:00.17 | Chocky | whoa. the list is long now |
| 19:02.30 | nuclear_eclipse | Chocky: still no confirmation for you? |
| 19:02.41 | Chocky | nope |
| 19:02.44 | Chocky | sobs. |
| 19:02.45 | Staticwave_Ace | anyone here ordered from Koolu in Canada? |
| 19:02.46 | nuclear_eclipse | that's odd |
| 19:02.46 | rivalarrival | number? |
| 19:02.52 | Chocky | 1345 |
| 19:03.12 | nuclear_eclipse | and 1368 says he/she got confirmation already.... |
| 19:03.17 | Chocky | nose. |
| 19:03.43 | rivalarrival | what the hell. |
| 19:03.50 | DocCod | lpotter: do you happen to also know where in asu this env variable is set? |
| 19:04.02 | Chocky | mine was a bulk order. perhaps that matters |
| 19:04.06 | nuclear_eclipse | perhaps |
| 19:04.06 | Chocky | or perhaps it got lost in the ether |
| 19:09.06 | Xaos | Chocky: have you checked your spam filter? |
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| 19:09.23 | Chocky | yes |
| 19:09.26 | HauDyr | there you go i fixed it for you http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 19:09.32 | Dave | Hallo leinir :) |
| 19:09.40 | Chocky | will check his exim too :p |
| 19:09.43 | Dave | So what are you people all going on about at the moment? |
| 19:09.48 | Chocky | you |
| 19:10.08 | leinir | curtsies to Dave "Well met" :) |
| 19:10.12 | nuclear_eclipse | wants tomorrow to arrive soon |
| 19:11.04 | leinir | i'm just fiddling the freerunner a bit, currently looking through the package list :) |
| 19:12.19 | Dave | :D |
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| 19:12.25 | Dave | Looking for cool packages and whatnot? ;) |
| 19:12.33 | leinir | *giggles* Yeah :) |
| 19:12.43 | Dave | Yeah I think I'm finally going to create a handful of pseudo packages today or tomorrow :) |
| 19:12.49 | Dave | Since people around here are requesting it. |
| 19:13.11 | Dave | Plus others may not find trolling the repos as joyful as I do :p |
| 19:13.22 | nuclear_eclipse | wants Debian itself on moko :P |
| 19:13.24 | Chocky | send out some fake UPS messages :p |
| 19:13.31 | Chocky | Debian could run on moko. |
| 19:13.45 | Chocky | requires a bit of chop-chop work, but I've done very similar before |
| 19:13.47 | nuclear_eclipse | Chocky: just not with any of the devices or phone software :P |
| 19:13.51 | Dave | Sure it can. |
| 19:13.57 | Dave | I'm pretty sure it's been done already. |
| 19:14.00 | nuclear_eclipse | well, not out of the box I mean |
| 19:14.03 | Chocky | that's ok, just add the right bits. maybe turn ipks into debs |
| 19:14.03 | Dave | at least with the prior model. |
| 19:14.16 | Dave | oh, eww |
| 19:14.24 | Chocky | put Debian on the Psion NetBook Pro. In the end we went with OE - bit smaller |
| 19:14.49 | Chocky | although it'd be full X - bit heavy |
| 19:15.09 | nuclear_eclipse | true |
| 19:15.17 | Chocky | <- Debian hack master. |
| 19:16.11 | Dave | oh yeah? |
| 19:16.19 | Chocky | yeah. |
| 19:16.27 | nuclear_eclipse | yeah? |
| 19:16.31 | Chocky | yeah. |
| 19:16.35 | nuclear_eclipse | sweet |
| 19:16.36 | Dave | OHHHHHHHHHHH YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!! |
| 19:16.39 | Chocky | hell yeah. |
| 19:16.39 | Dave | :D |
| 19:16.46 | nuclear_eclipse | sweet *ass* sweet! |
| 19:16.52 | Chocky | dude. |
| 19:16.52 | Dave | calm down now :p |
| 19:16.57 | Chocky | nothing in exim logs from UPS |
| 19:17.00 | Dave | where's my moko? |
| 19:17.19 | nuclear_eclipse | mm, apparetly no-one here liked A Night At The Roxbury... :9 |
| 19:17.26 | nuclear_eclipse | s/:9/:(/ |
| 19:17.44 | Chocky | apt so foolish |
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| 19:18.11 | `pwgen` | Chocky: are the binaries compatible from debian arm ? |
| 19:18.24 | Chocky | you'd want eabi, but yes |
| 19:18.37 | Chocky | more or less. you'd have to worry about libc6 too |
| 19:19.14 | ecraven | evening :) |
| 19:19.17 | ecraven | anyone here a Schemer? |
| 19:19.21 | Chocky | a wut? |
| 19:19.48 | nuclear_eclipse | if I had time/wasn't lazy, I would be :P |
| 19:19.59 | ecraven | Scheme programmer ;) |
| 19:20.14 | Chocky | no, thanks. yuk. |
| 19:20.19 | nuclear_eclipse | too many parentheses? |
| 19:20.24 | Chocky | That's lisp |
| 19:20.45 | nuclear_eclipse | Scheme has ()'s too.... |
| 19:20.50 | Chocky | blah |
| 19:21.09 | Dave | Ecraven! |
| 19:21.19 | Chocky | blah. another person after me with shipping confirm |
| 19:21.19 | Dave | IT'S YOU! |
| 19:21.35 | Chocky | and two earlier without |
| 19:21.46 | ecraven | hey Dave :) |
| 19:22.21 | ecraven | how does the touchscreen work? exactly like a mouse? |
| 19:22.33 | ecraven | or can it detect multiple fingers, and palm etc.? |
| 19:22.54 | nuclear_eclipse | no multitouch |
| 19:23.04 | mwester | right now, just like a mouse. |
| 19:23.21 | mwester | Possible in the future would be to get a pressure reading from it as well. |
| 19:23.26 | ecraven | mwester: right now due to missing software, or right now as in "later revisions will have different hardware" |
| 19:23.33 | mwester | Software |
| 19:23.48 | Dave | essentially |
| 19:23.56 | Dave | like a mouse |
| 19:24.00 | kelvie_work | oh multitouch incapability is only due to software restrictions? |
| 19:24.12 | mwester | OM has a patch that enable pressure from the touchpad, but it breaks X because X doesn't know what to do with it on the neo. |
| 19:24.18 | Dave | it sucks since it cannot be disabled and has no proximity sensor though :( |
| 19:24.19 | mwester | multitouch is hardware. |
| 19:24.20 | Chocky | poor X |
| 19:24.27 | Dave | Mwester, hah! |
| 19:24.43 | Dave | That's Mister X, to you! |
| 19:24.57 | Chocky | Mystery X |
| 19:24.59 | nuclear_eclipse | kelvie_work: FR does not have multitouch hardware, so software will never be able to have it either |
| 19:25.04 | Dave | Oh yeah, and Ecraven, the script is broken :[ |
| 19:25.26 | Dave | I'm thinking of packaging it, nonetheless :p |
| 19:25.58 | ecraven | Dave: i think i'll develop future scripts on FSO |
| 19:26.06 | ecraven | seems much cleaner :) |
| 19:26.21 | kelvie_work | ah |
| 19:27.14 | HauDyr | just to nag why is nano not included in 2007.2 i dont like vi |
| 19:27.28 | ecraven | opkg install nano ;) |
| 19:27.29 | Dave | Ah, hrm, well alright |
| 19:27.31 | nuclear_eclipse | HauDyr: just to spite you :P |
| 19:27.36 | Dave | ecraven though I don't see why it would differ much |
| 19:27.39 | kelvie_work | is there a package for emacs yet? :p |
| 19:27.46 | Dave | EWWW |
| 19:27.50 | Dave | beats kelvie |
| 19:27.53 | sitwon | nuclear_eclipse: is it capable of detecting multi-finger taps (eg, Synaptic touchpads on laptops) |
| 19:27.56 | HauDyr | nuclear_eclipse, i thought it was something like that |
| 19:28.01 | kelvie_work | ... |
| 19:28.06 | Dave | I might as well argue why vim hasn't been ported yet :D |
| 19:28.14 | Chocky | editor war! |
| 19:28.16 | kelvie_work | vi's in the posix standard so it's included for sure |
| 19:28.17 | ecraven | Dave: because you don't need to access any device, due to the framework? |
| 19:28.18 | Dave | nah |
| 19:28.31 | doc|work | joe! (because someone always has to bring in joe) |
| 19:28.32 | ecraven | oh, emacs would be nice! |
| 19:28.33 | nuclear_eclipse | sitwon: it *may* be possible, but it's not a "real" feature; eg, it's just a matter of "how smart" the software/driver is trying to be |
| 19:28.43 | Dave | ecraven, they have one for it? :O |
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| 19:28.49 | `pwgen` | emacs is working on the moko |
| 19:29.00 | kelvie_work | fantastic |
| 19:29.00 | Dave | vim plz. |
| 19:29.01 | kd8ikt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcuBE0SLQgk&feature=related heh |
| 19:29.06 | kelvie_work | most of the reason I want a moko is to run emacs |
| 19:29.07 | Chocky | yes, but when OpenOffice.org |
| 19:29.08 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: +1 for vim, I miss it everytime I pull up vi on a Solaris box... :( |
| 19:29.08 | HauDyr | ecraven, emacs =large program, nano = small program |
| 19:29.16 | Dave | yeah :| |
| 19:29.24 | Dave | stupid crusty sun systems :D |
| 19:29.42 | `pwgen` | emacs is in OE an compiles fine .. and working |
| 19:29.45 | Dave | who was it yesterday arguing that kde should be put on the moko? :P |
| 19:29.48 | Dave | haha |
| 19:29.49 | ecraven | Dave: most of the framework doesn't work yet, but it's getting there.. slowly :) |
| 19:29.51 | kelvie_work | that was me |
| 19:29.53 | Chocky | not me |
| 19:29.57 | kelvie_work | and work is being done on that |
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| 19:30.01 | sitwon | nuclear_eclipse: on such a small device, having Synaptic-like drivers would be nearly as good as true multitouch |
| 19:30.01 | `pwgen` | icewm is working |
| 19:30.01 | Dave | Yeah, I noticed that much, ecraven ;) |
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| 19:30.20 | _ferric | Dave: how's your babies doing |
| 19:30.20 | ecraven | Dave: but it looks promising |
| 19:30.26 | Dave | Great! |
| 19:30.32 | HauDyr | Dave, then it would have to be KDE4 with all the bells and whistles |
| 19:30.34 | nuclear_eclipse | sitwon: the problem is how do you determine what is a fingertip on purpose and what is a palm getting too close, etc |
| 19:30.34 | Dave | ecraven, true, perhaps in another month or so :) |
| 19:30.37 | kelvie_work | kdelibs already works I believe |
| 19:30.46 | Dave | HauDyr: fuck that shit, to put it succinctly. |
| 19:31.02 | nuclear_eclipse | sitwon: because the only thing you "know" from the touchpad is a single averaged X/Y coordinate |
| 19:31.07 | HauDyr | just adds 500mb to the image |
| 19:31.10 | ecraven | Dave: good enough for me :) |
| 19:31.15 | Chocky | heh, some crazy openmoko stuff on YouTube |
| 19:31.25 | ecraven | i'd rather build on a solid foundation in a month, than worry about neod :) |
| 19:32.02 | Dave | heh, true true |
| 19:32.08 | Dave | did you see what I did yesterday? :P |
| 19:32.11 | Dave | or this morning rather? |
| 19:32.15 | HauDyr | ecraven, i second that a solid foundation is Very important |
| 19:32.16 | Dave | thing leaks like a mofo |
| 19:32.23 | Dave | mofomoko |
| 19:32.30 | Chocky | mokofo |
| 19:32.38 | Dave | mofoko |
| 19:32.43 | HauDyr | mofomokomojo |
| 19:32.48 | ecraven | HauDyr: any alternatives to FSO there? |
| 19:32.54 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 19:33.02 | sitwon | nuclear_eclipse: do Synaptic touchpads on laptops give more information then? |
| 19:33.08 | nuclear_eclipse | sitwon: most likely |
| 19:33.13 | Dave | That you'd accept as a substitute? Unlikely. |
| 19:33.21 | Dave | :P |
| 19:33.32 | Dave | Ecraven, help me fix this broken script, will ya? :P |
| 19:33.38 | ecraven | Dave: what's the problem? |
| 19:33.45 | Dave | bribes ecraven with chocolate-chip cookies. |
| 19:33.47 | HauDyr | ecraven, mofomokomojo is closed source and under a tight NDA :-) |
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| 19:34.00 | Chocky | majormofomokomojo |
| 19:34.07 | nuclear_eclipse | sitwon: there's quite a difference in possibilities between a touchpad and a touchscreen, just because of the limitations of circumstances, eg, a touchscreen has to be completely transparent |
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| 19:34.19 | HauDyr | majormofomokomojo thats the free version |
| 19:34.33 | Dave | Ecraven, well, every time I've run it, it just runs... hangs there, and it's not until I send it SIGINT that it actually launches (it also reports some error in the terminal before continuing) |
| 19:34.44 | ecraven | that's because it can't read from the accelerometers |
| 19:34.47 | ecraven | due to neod |
| 19:34.50 | Dave | I figured |
| 19:34.52 | Dave | :( |
| 19:34.57 | Dave | or suspected, rather |
| 19:35.03 | Dave | fucking neod |
| 19:35.20 | ecraven | the solution is to get a fixed neod, i asked marcus about his, but no answer so far |
| 19:35.28 | Dave | really? |
| 19:35.32 | nuclear_eclipse | you just agentd to keep neod on its toes and in check |
| 19:35.45 | nuclear_eclipse | s/just/just need/ |
| 19:35.48 | Chocky | and then you need bigbrotherd to watch agentd |
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| 19:35.54 | stargater | hi |
| 19:36.34 | abraxa_ | Hotel India |
| 19:36.41 | Chocky | "such a lovely place" |
| 19:38.59 | Xaos | I'm working on an agentsmithd to keep neod in line |
| 19:39.19 | Xaos | ducks at bad Matrix reference |
| 19:39.21 | HauDyr | hehe |
| 19:39.42 | nuclear_eclipse | Xaos: that's what I was getting at earliel :P |
| 19:39.45 | HauDyr | neo is the one |
| 19:39.54 | Xaos | I just flashed my qemu with the FSO milestone 1 image and it is SLOW!!!! |
| 19:39.54 | mmontour | wow - only 9 of the 850MHz units left in stock at the OM store (using SpeedEvil's method) |
| 19:40.04 | Chocky | writes daemond - one daemon to rule then all |
| 19:40.06 | Xaos | the 2007.02 wasn't bad |
| 19:40.13 | Dave | sucky.bah |
| 19:40.17 | Xaos | and in the darkness bind them |
| 19:40.18 | Dave | Some help you are, Xaos :p |
| 19:40.30 | Chocky | mmontour: how do you figure? |
| 19:40.32 | Xaos | Dave: what? |
| 19:41.11 | mmontour | Chocky: try adding 1000 of them to your shopping card - it will show you a smaller number. See http://www.mauve.plus.com/Freerunner.gif |
| 19:41.17 | Chocky | heh |
| 19:41.41 | Qwell | where'd those last 200 go? |
| 19:41.44 | Chocky | so hack |
| 19:42.08 | Dave | o.O |
| 19:42.31 | Dave | haha |
| 19:42.42 | Dave | that makes no sense |
| 19:42.56 | Chocky | yeah, it's a bit guessy. still. |
| 19:43.57 | Dave | I still have yet to correctly discern how to have 4 or more devices maintain proper connectivity and communication over a single usb hub |
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| 19:46.06 | Dave | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.27 | Chocky | mmontour: I think they must have changed it. it's still to order > 9 units individually |
| 19:46.36 | Chocky | s/still/silly/ |
| 19:47.05 | Dave | hrm, why is the accelerometer no longer working for me, ecraven? :D |
| 19:47.33 | Chocky | hm, although I can only add 1 10 pack |
| 19:47.54 | ecraven | Dave: it is, neod is interfering :( try to kill your neod (this will also kill your x server), then you can read fine from /dev/input/event[23] |
| 19:48.12 | Dave | pfft, I know -_-; |
| 19:48.19 | Dave | So perhaps it's episodic? |
| 19:48.29 | Dave | because SOMETIMES it can read fine from it |
| 19:48.37 | Dave | others, it needs to catch SIGINT first |
| 19:48.42 | Dave | others, not at all >:( |
| 19:49.02 | ahven | hehe, very interesting boot logo :D |
| 19:49.06 | ahven | boots :) |
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| 19:49.17 | ahven | (haven't flashed in a while) |
| 19:49.48 | kdean06 | Yes, the quintessential "boot" screen. |
| 19:49.55 | ozzloy | oh man, i'm totally going to have a rotating boot logo |
| 19:50.02 | Dave | It's terrible, I vote everyone use a custom splash image. |
| 19:50.07 | ozzloy | randomly selected on power down |
| 19:50.15 | Chocky | personally, I'm not sure I want to see Linux boot spam when my phone starts. |
| 19:50.25 | Chocky | I have to look at that crap all day with my own embedded development |
| 19:50.32 | Dave | :D |
| 19:50.44 | Dave | I'd like having the ability to mask it |
| 19:51.02 | Chocky | console=ttySO |
| 19:51.17 | ecraven | has anyone tried cairo on the neo? how fast is it? |
| 19:51.26 | Chocky | dunno, try Firefox 3 :o |
| 19:51.27 | Dave | e.g. default behavior is to show only a graphical boot representation, and AUX [on boot] will trigger console output |
| 19:51.37 | Dave | Does that sound more reasonable, Chocky? :) |
| 19:51.52 | Chocky | without knowing about AUX, I suppose ;-) |
| 19:51.57 | Dave | :P |
| 19:52.04 | Dave | well, there is that... |
| 19:52.06 | Dave | heh |
| 19:52.23 | Dave | blames everything on neod |
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| 19:54.23 | Dave | one million package updates... |
| 19:54.26 | Xaos | Dave: well...he IS the ONE (to blame that is) |
| 19:54.38 | Dave | ecraven, does using the libcairo libs count? ;) |
| 19:54.48 | Dave | Xaos, indeedily. |
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| 19:55.11 | ecraven | Dave: yes, on the fr? |
| 19:55.12 | Dave | rofl, someone broke libglib-2.0-dev in main repo |
| 19:55.17 | Dave | hahaha |
| 19:55.22 | Chocky | that must have taken a real effort |
| 19:55.30 | Dave | Ecraven, I am currently using libcairo2 on it |
| 19:55.36 | Dave | couple apps use it |
| 19:55.38 | Chocky | Firefox 3 is cariotastic |
| 19:55.42 | Dave | it seems to run fine |
| 19:55.48 | ecraven | cool :) |
| 19:55.54 | Dave | Chocky, congratulations. |
| 19:56.05 | Dave | ecraven, yeah, no major explosions to note :) |
| 19:56.08 | Chocky | don't say that until I make it run on FR :p |
| 19:56.17 | Dave | fuck that x 1000000 |
| 19:56.27 | Chocky | Firefox 3 is your pwnie |
| 19:56.33 | abraxa_ | wonders whatever happened to the "community member of the month"... |
| 19:56.34 | Dave | fuck mozdev |
| 19:56.38 | Chocky | heh |
| 19:56.56 | Chocky | ported Firefox to a non-Linux ARM platform. PITA. |
| 19:57.00 | doc|work | webkit >>> firefox |
| 19:57.00 | Dave | I have the right to say that, too :) |
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| 19:57.10 | Chocky | Dave: I'm sure, but what's your reason? |
| 19:57.11 | Dave | installs leopard on doc |
| 19:57.35 | Dave | Chocky, guess what I used to do... until we had a falling out? :) |
| 19:57.35 | doc|work | Dave: pfft, epiphany can use a webkit engine, and konqueror already does |
| 19:57.40 | Dave | Yeah. |
| 19:57.48 | Dave | konqueeror. |
| 19:57.53 | Chocky | well, I could guess, but I doubt I'd get it exactly |
| 19:57.57 | doc|work | epiphany's actually movingt to wekbit |
| 19:58.04 | Dave | ooh la la |
| 19:58.07 | Dave | good shit |
| 19:58.17 | Chocky | interivew at Google for Moz dev. didn't work out. |
| 19:58.29 | Dave | hlagh |
| 19:58.36 | doc|work | ^ not a word |
| 19:59.09 | leinir | doc|work: Konqueror still uses khtml - it can be made to use the webkit engine, but it's not default :) |
| 19:59.13 | ecraven | Dave: what is libcairo2? i only know of 1.6.4 |
| 19:59.27 | Dave | haha am I bad? I'm using one of my freerunners as a local package repository |
| 19:59.32 | doc|work | leinir: they're much the same, aren't they? |
| 19:59.32 | Chocky | sweet |
| 20:00.02 | doc|work | has anyone gotten netbsd running on their freerunner? :) |
| 20:00.06 | johnsu01 | I'm writing a political article advocating freerunner over iPhone, which we'll be publishing at fsf.org shortly -- anyone want to read and comment before it's published? |
| 20:00.16 | johnsu01 | shortly as in, today :) |
| 20:00.21 | Chocky | No, I prefer to use an OS that's in development :p |
| 20:00.24 | Dave | Package: libcairo2 - Version: 1.6.4-r1 - Description: Cairo graphics library |
| 20:00.25 | doc|work | johnsu01: sure :) |
| 20:00.30 | Dave | Does that clear it up for you, Ecraven? ;) |
| 20:00.31 | Chocky | johncylee: aye |
| 20:00.31 | leinir | doc|work: They're much more similar than any of the other engines out there, but they *are* different :) |
| 20:00.33 | Chocky | er, |
| 20:00.37 | Chocky | johnsu01: aye |
| 20:00.40 | ecraven | Dave: yes, thanks ;) |
| 20:00.41 | leinir | As the comparison of the ACID3 test shows ;) |
| 20:00.44 | doc|work | leinir: *nod* |
| 20:00.51 | Dave | I think I'm going to write an irc integration script for the freerunner :) |
| 20:01.00 | Chocky | Dave: bitchx package? |
| 20:01.00 | doc|work | pfft, acid3 is a silly test. "Here, have some broken code, now make it look good" |
| 20:01.08 | johnsu01 | doc|work, Chocky: Want to msg me your addresses and I'll email you the draft now? |
| 20:01.12 | Dave | or cc a bastardized version of irssi |
| 20:01.19 | Dave | >:) |
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| 20:01.30 | doc|work | johnsu01: hmmm, actually, I'm not going to get to read it until tonight. thanks anyway :/ |
| 20:01.56 | Dave | whines at Speedevil |
| 20:02.39 | Dave | Ecraven, this is pissing me off enough to investigate the neod issue further. :| |
| 20:02.42 | leinir | Hmm... konversation on 640x480 |
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| 20:03.02 | ecraven | Dave: imho there shouldn't even be a neod, the FSO approach with lots of different demons seems very nice |
| 20:03.02 | leinir | doc|work: Sure it's a silly test - but it shows that the two are different :) |
| 20:03.04 | Dave | but first, packages! |
| 20:03.13 | Dave | Agreed. |
| 20:03.39 | Dave | So long as they aren't leakier than a crusty old pair of pampers. |
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| 20:18.06 | ar0x | hi all |
| 20:18.16 | methril|laptop | hi |
| 20:18.21 | ar0x | just a stupid question I didn't find any answer to |
| 20:18.38 | Chocky | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.43 | ar0x | how is the audio channel connected to the modem chipset ? |
| 20:18.46 | Chocky | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.03 | Dave | bwahahaha |
| 20:19.34 | ar0x | is it a direct connection or does the audio stream go through the UART ? |
| 20:20.00 | Dave | That *is* a good question! :) |
| 20:20.03 | mmontour | ar0x: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_audio_subsystem (that's for GTA01; Freerunner has the same connection to the GSM but has other differences) |
| 20:20.59 | ar0x | ok, thanks, so that's a direct connection :) |
| 20:21.26 | ar0x | so there is no possible control from the AP to the microphone |
| 20:22.59 | ar0x | ie, the modem can do whatever it wants with it, even "spying" (ie. capturing from microphone and sending to the telco compagny) |
| 20:23.07 | ar0x | right ? |
| 20:23.44 | lindi- | ar0x: i'd like to know that too |
| 20:23.54 | Dave | heh |
| 20:23.59 | mwester | Theoretically, yes. |
| 20:24.00 | ar0x | from my pov |
| 20:24.02 | Dave | call up the NSA :) |
| 20:24.15 | Fossi | he *works* for the NSA |
| 20:24.20 | Fossi | alternative joke: |
| 20:24.21 | ar0x | the modem software is non-free |
| 20:24.25 | Dave | hah! |
| 20:24.31 | mwester | makes a note to open up a "tin foil hat" store for openmoko users. |
| 20:24.33 | ar0x | and not even accessible, so everything is possible |
| 20:24.36 | Fossi | in soviet russia, the NSA calls *you*! |
| 20:24.36 | mmontour | The microphone signal goes through the WM8753, which is controlled by Linux. The GSM subsystem can't get direct access to the microphone. |
| 20:24.39 | Dave | :) |
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| 20:24.48 | Dave | that's far worse |
| 20:25.08 | ar0x | Fossi: not the soviet or the NSA, just police services upon judge approval |
| 20:25.08 | Dave | gives Fossi a quarter and tells him to take a break. |
| 20:25.20 | mwester | Wolfson might be on the NSA's payroll -- so you can't trust that chip either. |
| 20:25.27 | Fossi | yeah, give the man a break... |
| 20:25.32 | Fossi | it's getting late :\ |
| 20:25.36 | Fossi | time to go home |
| 20:25.45 | Chocky | sobs more at shipping stuff |
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| 20:26.38 | ar0x | mmontour: how does linux setup the WM8753 ? |
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| 20:27.40 | Fossi | ar0x: i bet they make sure that you can be spyed upon. don't worry... |
| 20:27.46 | abraxa_ | ar0x: What exactly do you mean by "how"? |
| 20:27.47 | mmontour | ar0x: ALSA mixer controls (a huge number of them) - run "alsamixer -V all" to edit, or use "alsactl" to save/restore state files |
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| 20:28.58 | sitwon | Funny how the shipping options were "really fast, super faster, faster that super fast, and mega fast" (with pricing to match) but what they neglect to tell you is that they sit on your phone for two weeks before they actually send it out the door.... |
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| 20:29.43 | Fossi | i guess that was a hidden special option |
| 20:29.44 | ar0x | abraxa_: just wants to know if it (linux) tells the wm8753 to just directly link the microphone to the gsm chip and if it's possible to "cut the path" |
| 20:29.56 | ar0x | which in fact seems possible |
| 20:30.52 | mmontour | ar0x: yes, you can cut the path or re-route it to something else (e.g. to play PCM audio from Linux into the GSM codec) |
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| 20:31.11 | abraxa_ | ar0x: Yeah it is. You might want to have a look at /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios |
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| 20:31.46 | ar0x | don't have any sources or running system at all |
| 20:31.53 | abraxa_ | oh ok |
| 20:33.10 | ar0x | and to be honnest, I hesitate between having a customisable and hackable phone but being unable to use it to call anyone or make 3G call (no 3G chip)... |
| 20:33.14 | Dave | whee, how many freerunners can I multiplex across this single hub :D |
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| 20:34.39 | ar0x | or buying a closed phone for half the price, and having a fully working phone which just works and being also able to hack it |
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| 20:35.15 | abraxa_ | ar0x: If 3G is a must-have feature, go for it - you know best what you need |
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| 20:35.21 | Dave | ar0x, true, true. |
| 20:35.29 | Dave | :] |
| 20:35.32 | ar0x | to be honnest, I don't really care |
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| 20:35.40 | Chocky | tbh, WiFi was far more important to me |
| 20:35.41 | Dave | I'd say you do. |
| 20:35.42 | ar0x | just want's to have something usable |
| 20:35.47 | Chocky | wants |
| 20:35.53 | ar0x | yep |
| 20:36.00 | Dave | wants icecream |
| 20:36.05 | Chocky | and a pwnie? |
| 20:36.06 | Dave | Anyone else? :) |
| 20:36.15 | Chocky | wants his FreeRunner |
| 20:36.22 | ar0x | anyway, 'night all |
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| 20:36.32 | Dave | I have too many |
| 20:36.37 | Chocky | send me 3 |
| 20:36.53 | Dave | I think I need to get the lab downstairs to fashion me a custom sled for them |
| 20:36.56 | poli__ | ar0x: well I plan to develop using openmoko/freerunner, so, hacking a "commercial" phone isn't an option |
| 20:37.00 | Dave | or mounting rack |
| 20:37.02 | Dave | :| |
| 20:37.08 | Dave | it's becoming increasingly cumbersome |
| 20:37.16 | Dave | poli, too late. |
| 20:37.37 | poli__ | Dave: happens :) |
| 20:37.42 | Dave | yep :) |
| 20:37.46 | poli__ | Anyone getting "NOTE: Task failed: Checksum of 'ftp://ftp.rpm.org/pub/rpm/dist/rpm-4.1.x/popt-1.7.tar.gz' failed |
| 20:37.57 | mmontour | Dave: how about a Batman-style utility belt? |
| 20:38.11 | Chocky | no, because I wouldn't be cause dead using RPM |
| 20:38.34 | Chocky | er, caught |
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| 20:39.10 | poli__ | That' s standard MokoMakefile doing a make openmoko-devel-image |
| 20:39.14 | Chocky | sucks. |
| 20:39.34 | unknown_lamer | hmm |
| 20:39.35 | wolfmanjm | anyone with order # > 1363 got confirmation yet? |
| 20:39.37 | Dave | mmontour ;) |
| 20:39.38 | unknown_lamer | stabs the openmoko toolchain |
| 20:39.45 | Dave | It's funny you mentioned that... |
| 20:39.47 | unknown_lamer | hello emdebian and apt-cross please make this work |
| 20:39.48 | Dave | unknown_lamer: agreed. |
| 20:39.53 | Chocky | wolfmanjm: see the list |
| 20:40.12 | wolfmanjm | I did I have 10 people on my *** asking when they will get it ;) |
| 20:40.32 | Chocky | is 1345, right near you |
| 20:40.42 | wolfmanjm | nope I'm in the 1600's |
| 20:40.53 | wolfmanjm | seems they may be clearing 300 a day maybe? |
| 20:41.09 | unknown_lamer | hopefully now I can build clisp without resorting to evil hacks (native utils used during build try to link against ARM libs, hell breaks loose shortly thereafter...) |
| 20:41.11 | wolfmanjm | Just trying to get a handle on the number they are shipping per day |
| 20:41.27 | Chocky | wolfmanjm: did you add to the list? |
| 20:41.40 | Chocky | 1669? |
| 20:41.43 | wolfmanjm | not yet, will do in a bit |
| 20:41.47 | tomjoad440 | I have 1390 and have gotten a tracking number |
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| 20:42.03 | Chocky | tomboy64: I will add to the list |
| 20:42.06 | Chocky | gah |
| 20:42.07 | Chocky | tomja |
| 20:42.11 | Chocky | when did you get it? |
| 20:42.15 | tomboy64 | huh? |
| 20:42.18 | kelvie_work | lol |
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| 20:42.24 | Chocky | tomboy64: naught bitchx |
| 20:42.37 | tomboy64 | bitches as Chocky's bitchx :-D |
| 20:42.41 | Chocky | sweet |
| 20:42.41 | tomboy64 | *at |
| 20:42.50 | SpeedEvil | looks at tomboy64 |
| 20:42.54 | Chocky | tomjoad440: when did you get confirm? |
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| 20:43.16 | tomboy64 | waves at SpeedEvil |
| 20:43.30 | tomjoad440 | Chocky: I got the UPS Tracking number yesterday |
| 20:43.51 | CM | Does apt keep track of the maximum number of people in here? |
| 20:43.56 | Chocky | have added you |
| 20:44.04 | CM | 381 is pretty good :) |
| 20:44.06 | Chocky | so where the hell is mine? |
| 20:45.34 | tomjoad440 | Chocky: what list are you talking about? |
| 20:46.03 | Chocky | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Where_is_my_Freerunner%3F |
| 20:46.26 | sitwon | Chocky: were you looking for me? |
| 20:46.27 | Dave | heh |
| 20:46.45 | Chocky | sitwom: it's possible. but if I did, I have no idea why. |
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| 20:46.52 | sitwon | 1669 |
| 20:46.59 | Chocky | I see |
| 20:47.29 | sitwon | nm, I scrolled up and realized you were talking to someone else |
| 20:47.40 | Chocky | just full of it today |
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| 20:48.12 | RXShorty | Hi all, I am totaly new to the Openmoko Freerunner. |
| 20:48.18 | Chocky | virgin! |
| 20:48.23 | LoneTech | RXShorty: welcome, then |
| 20:48.32 | RXShorty | And if I may can I ask some questions? Thanks both ;) |
| 20:48.34 | LoneTech | you'll need some patience and enthusiasm, I figure |
| 20:48.34 | wolfmanjm | Anyone got the phone number of the shipping dept? Steve emailed me to call them to arrange pickup, but didn;t give me a # to call :) |
| 20:49.14 | RXShorty | I got my Freerunner a few days ago from pulster. But I must say the software on it pretty buggy |
| 20:49.37 | RXShorty | Now I know there are new daily images... But can somebody explain how to get it on my phone? |
| 20:49.55 | kelvie_work | RXShorty: http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 20:49.56 | RXShorty | I got some experience with Ubuntu, but sorry to say but I can't figure it all out. |
| 20:50.10 | RXShorty | kelvie, thanks.. I read it all the way |
| 20:50.43 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r485bdbb5c224 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: illume - fix fullscreen windows with layering. |
| 20:50.50 | Dave | Getting started with your debug board :) |
| 20:50.50 | doc|work | order shipping is progressing slowly :/ |
| 20:50.58 | LoneTech | afaict that guide should work to flash images in there.. my problems are that I don't know which image, and I don't have the freerunner. |
| 20:51.02 | Chocky | doc|work: sigh |
| 20:51.07 | RXShorty | I need a debug board to get it on? |
| 20:51.14 | mmontour | no |
| 20:51.15 | Dave | get it on? o_O |
| 20:51.23 | Dave | what exactly are you doing WITH your freerunner? :P |
| 20:51.29 | Dave | :o |
| 20:51.35 | RXShorty | Well I got the normal "rom" |
| 20:51.42 | Xaos | ok...(potentially) stupid question. Do bluetooth headsets work yet? |
| 20:52.00 | RXShorty | And I wish to get a newer build on it, a daily build |
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| 20:52.37 | RXShorty | And I know... it are truly nooby questions... then again I am trying to docu everything so I can put it on a forum |
| 20:52.39 | mmontour | Xaos: I've never seen a success report. I can get mine to pair with my GTA01 but I can't get audio to go through it. |
| 20:52.51 | Chocky | don't put it on a forum, put it on the wiki |
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| 20:53.17 | RXShorty | I also will CHocky, I know... I translated some pieces to dutch also. I allways will share |
| 20:53.43 | RXShorty | But I am trying to find a starting point to get a daily build on it |
| 20:54.01 | LoneTech | you'd need to record the audio onboard to route it to bluetooth, so calls are probably further off than, say, playing music through bluetooth |
| 20:54.05 | RXShorty | I am not that experienced... |
| 20:54.24 | Dave | Xaos, yes |
| 20:55.10 | Xaos | Dave: you mean for phone calls or for music? I don't care about the music...I want it for the phone calls |
| 20:55.18 | wolfmanjm | are you saying bluetooth headsets don't work with freerunner? That sucks it is the law in CA now, wish I knew that before ordering! My reading of the Wiki and the Mailing list indicates they did work |
| 20:55.21 | Dave | phone calls |
| 20:55.39 | LoneTech | Dave: thanks |
| 20:55.55 | Chocky | suggests not using cellphone at all in car :p |
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| 20:56.17 | wolfmanjm | only if you are a teen ;) |
| 20:56.32 | Chocky | too many adults should be concentrating on driving, IMO |
| 20:56.32 | RXShorty | Well i guess I first need an running ubuntu system to flash it. |
| 20:56.33 | wolfmanjm | us greybeards can multitask |
| 20:56.42 | mmontour | Dave: if you have BT headset audio working, can you please put details of your config on the Wiki? E.g. model of headset, kernel version, ALSA state, bluez config files, ... |
| 20:56.47 | Chocky | I cycle. not IME, you can't |
| 20:56.49 | RXShorty | CHocky... lol... then again carkits... should be nice. |
| 20:57.01 | Dave | sure |
| 20:57.22 | doc|work | wolfmanjm: they don't have software support yet, they are capable of doing it |
| 20:57.31 | wolfmanjm | k tx |
| 20:58.16 | LoneTech | Dave: perhaps link somewhere like http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Headset_Audio |
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| 20:58.25 | Dave | heh |
| 20:59.23 | Chocky | wolfmanjm: what is 169x? |
| 20:59.28 | ieatlint | does the phone use alsa? |
| 20:59.46 | LoneTech | ieatlint: yes |
| 21:00.13 | ieatlint | then why use a2dp for bluetooth headsets? |
| 21:00.21 | wolfmanjm | choky: it means i don't want to give the last digit of my order# as I use that to pickup from Fremont, it is meant to be secret - sorry |
| 21:00.21 | Dave | Mmontour, Lonetech, remind me again this evening and I'll do it :) |
| 21:00.28 | ieatlint | 4 lines in a asound.conf file does it |
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| 21:00.38 | Chocky | I will just call 10 times |
| 21:00.39 | LoneTech | I'm likely to be asleep. it's 23 already |
| 21:00.47 | mmontour | Dave: will do. Thanks. |
| 21:01.09 | Dave | Ah :p |
| 21:01.14 | wolfmanjm | if you have the number |
| 21:01.20 | LoneTech | ieatlint: a2dp is one of the bluetooth audio protocols, specifically the one with stereo support. Many headsets don't support recording with it, though. |
| 21:01.45 | LoneTech | bluetooth-alsa supports both headset and a2dp, I've tested with my headset and laptop |
| 21:02.19 | ieatlint | ah, i see... my headset is mono, so i've not dealt with stereo |
| 21:03.52 | mjr | a2dp is for playing "high-quality" audio, the headset profile is for low-latency bidir communication |
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| 21:04.29 | Xaos | LoneTech: do you have a link to instructions for using bluetooth-alsa with a mono headset? |
| 21:04.33 | LoneTech | pardon me, bluez-audio. bluetooth-alsa is another implementation, apparently. |
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| 21:06.11 | LoneTech | Xaos: I don't know how to interface it with openmoko, I don't have one yet and haven't even managed to build the software for simulation |
| 21:06.13 | RXShorty | Ohh and just to inform you (hope you dont mind though) I am the owner of www.openmokoforums.com |
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| 21:06.37 | RXShorty | Yes I am aware you all work with the Wiki... And I will update it when I can. |
| 21:06.56 | RXShorty | So for those users who do like a forum, come and have a see someday. |
| 21:07.00 | RXShorty | Thanks for your time. |
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| 21:10.05 | SpeedEvil | quacks. |
| 21:10.13 | Chocky | wuff. |
| 21:10.19 | LoneTech | Xaos: but for setting up bluez-audio, just google asoundrc bluetooth |
| 21:11.08 | Dave | Speedevil :) |
| 21:11.20 | Gyb | wonders: why have I a highlight on "wuff" ? *g* |
| 21:11.28 | Dave | :D |
| 21:12.08 | Xaos | wuff |
| 21:12.12 | Xaos | hehe |
| 21:12.22 | Chocky | Xaos = screen emulator |
| 21:12.25 | Xaos | LoneTech: thanks |
| 21:15.02 | pjj | btw will there be an usb charger for the freerunner? |
| 21:15.17 | Dave | That's all there is... |
| 21:15.23 | LoneTech | pjj: it charges exclusively on usb, the charger has a usb connector. |
| 21:15.32 | Dave | Well, USB to USB yes :p |
| 21:15.47 | LoneTech | charger faster with charger than computer usb connection, though. |
| 21:16.20 | LoneTech | unless one forces it to exceed the current limit USB is rated for |
| 21:16.43 | Dave | Yep :D |
| 21:16.47 | pjj | I Know it goes into the usb hole in the freerunner but didn't know the other end of the cable was usb aswell |
| 21:16.57 | Dave | yep |
| 21:17.05 | Dave | there's a dumb usb ac adapter included as well |
| 21:17.21 | _newbie3 | dumb but special. |
| 21:17.27 | pjj | ok nice, I can easily take the freerunner to work then and run some cool programs on it ;) |
| 21:17.38 | LoneTech | hm? I didn't think the charger's cable was detachable from the charger |
| 21:18.29 | _newbie3 | LoneTech: yes, the charger is special and the special usb connector is not detachable. |
| 21:18.39 | _newbie3 | but it's forcable via software. |
| 21:19.21 | LoneTech | right. so the other end of the cable, as pjj said, is the ac adapter with the charger, but an ordinary data cable (included, iirc) will also charge. |
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| 21:19.50 | wurp2 | Does anyone know a recent 2007.2 build for gta01 that mostly works? |
| 21:20.33 | linuxxr | # 1363 is confused on track date maybe? |
| 21:21.13 | Chocky | linuxxr: no, he told he got the confirmation today |
| 21:21.30 | Chocky | bear in mind timezones, etc |
| 21:21.36 | linuxxr | pk |
| 21:22.10 | kd8ikt | love hoe daMaestro put http://xkcd.com/281/ in the topic |
| 21:22.14 | kd8ikt | how* |
| 21:22.39 | Chocky | aye |
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| 21:27.16 | kd8ikt | lol the flying lawnmower has got to be my fav moko ad |
| 21:27.44 | LoneTech | where's that? |
| 21:28.15 | kd8ikt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcuBE0SLQgk&feature=related |
| 21:28.17 | linuxxr | sreensaver? |
| 21:28.36 | kd8ikt | thats one cool RC plane |
| 21:28.46 | Dave | o.O |
| 21:28.58 | linuxxr | ha |
| 21:29.01 | kd8ikt | i saw one that was snoopy on his house with those red baron goggles |
| 21:29.09 | Dave | Be more productive you guys, someone go make some decent om themes. |
| 21:29.22 | Dave | ZE GOGGLES |
| 21:30.54 | kd8ikt | havent gotten my <strike>phone</strike> openmoko linux handheld computer |
| 21:31.08 | wurp2 | Does anyone know a recent 2007.2 build for gta01 that mostly works? |
| 21:31.59 | CM | Last I heard was from 26th June by Scaredycat |
| 21:32.10 | XorA|gone | doesnt the one on buildhost work? |
| 21:32.40 | CM | I guess it does, but I haven't tried it |
| 21:32.43 | CM | :) |
| 21:33.39 | mwester | I just flashed the gta02 2007.2 build; haven't done exhaustive testing but the basics seem to work. |
| 21:34.16 | mwester | (I updated the suspend/resume patches on my site for the recent 2007.2 build, including fixes for the missing-audio-on-resume problem. |
| 21:34.20 | mwester | ) |
| 21:34.39 | XorA|gone | mwester: fixes or workaround? |
| 21:34.59 | kd8ikt | reloading the modules do it? |
| 21:35.08 | mwester | Depends on one's definition. a mix of both, IMO. |
| 21:35.24 | XorA|gone | mwester: I mean for audio |
| 21:35.27 | wurp2 | CM: Well, I'm looking for actual 2007.2 builds, to port stuff to SHR |
| 21:35.32 | XorA|gone | mwester: the problem is easy to find, hard to fix |
| 21:35.49 | wurp2 | mwester: Great, I'll use the latest, then |
| 21:35.59 | mwester | Pulseaudio? |
| 21:36.11 | XorA|gone | mwester: no, lrsync function fails to read register |
| 21:36.27 | XorA|gone | mwester: but only during resume, works 100% all other times |
| 21:38.40 | mwester | The problem I'm referrring to is that there are no clicks when tapping on the touchscreen, and no other audio from anything that involves pulseaudio. |
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| 21:39.11 | mwester | The user-space stuff seems to have a fight with the kernel stuff, you get messages in dmesg about DMA channels, and pulseaudio goes out to lunch. |
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| 21:39.43 | mwester | The fix, according to google, is to use pactl to suspend pulseadio when suspending, and resume when resuming. :) Works. |
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| 21:40.51 | Dave | gah |
| 21:41.18 | hachi | so, this is probably the wrong place to ask, but where is this ASU firmware available from? |
| 21:41.39 | Dave | Greetings, hachi. |
| 21:41.49 | wurp2 | hachi: On the Repositories wiki page, the images that have openmoko*qtopia in the name |
| 21:41.50 | mwester | It should be on the wiki. it's on buildhost. |
| 21:41.55 | hachi | thanks |
| 21:44.03 | hachi | http://chooseopen.com:81/openmoko/build/qtopia/?M=D |
| 21:44.07 | hachi | does that work for anyone? |
| 21:44.15 | hachi | I can't hit port 81 it seems, or maybe it's just down |
| 21:44.18 | Dave | hachi - http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080710/?C=M;O=D |
| 21:44.31 | hachi | now I'm getting confused, I thought freerunner != ASU |
| 21:44.44 | XorA|gone | mwester: google is wrong |
| 21:44.45 | Dave | the ASU images are in there, however. |
| 21:44.49 | hachi | I'm really wrong then, oh well |
| 21:45.13 | Dave | They're mixed - It's a party! (of confusion and bewilderment) :) |
| 21:45.13 | XorA|gone | mwester: its actually a kernel bug, audio driver doesnt resume correctly because lrsync function doesnt get a valid read from a register |
| 21:45.33 | XorA|gone | mwester: but you work around it by suspending pulse first so you wouldnt see the kernel bug anymore |
| 21:45.52 | Dave | I hope they don't run out of dboards :) |
| 21:46.06 | wurp2 | hachi: Freerunner is the hardware |
| 21:46.11 | Dave | or I'll have to contract some chinese children down the street :p |
| 21:46.16 | wurp2 | ASU is a release that (more or less) runs on the hardware |
| 21:46.17 | hachi | cool cool, I'm slow :) |
| 21:46.23 | Dave | :D |
| 21:46.23 | Chocky | Dave: you do what you have to do |
| 21:47.04 | wurp2 | hachi: NP, no way to know what the words mean exactly until you see a bunch of stuff about it, or someone just tells you :-) |
| 21:47.12 | Dave | http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
| 21:47.23 | Dave | or you read that article :P |
| 21:47.42 | Dave | Chocky, yeah |
| 21:48.05 | Dave | bwahahaha |
| 21:48.18 | Dave | no wonder it's running slow... |
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| 21:48.35 | Chocky | tell those kids to go ffaster |
| 21:48.36 | Chocky | -f |
| 21:48.51 | Dave | root@om-gta02:~/ATP# uptime 17:48:11 up 1 day, 21:11, 2 users, load average: 4.20, 6.44, 5.31 |
| 21:48.58 | Dave | haha |
| 21:48.59 | Chocky | more hamsters! |
| 21:49.06 | Dave | no wonder the touchscreen is unresponsive :) |
| 21:49.16 | Chocky | 5 dollar. touch you long time. |
| 21:49.25 | SpeedEvil | Dave: swapon, and it gets better IME. |
| 21:49.28 | wurp2 | Chocky: woohoo, I need in on that action |
| 21:49.34 | Dave | yeah :] |
| 21:49.50 | TAsn | wow, only 15 850's left at the official store! |
| 21:50.00 | Chocky | TAsn: are you sure? :p |
| 21:50.12 | linuxxr | they will get more |
| 21:50.14 | TAsn | Chocky, try to buy more and you will see |
| 21:50.23 | hachi | does ASU run on a GTA01 ? |
| 21:50.24 | Dave | Either that, or try the black market! |
| 21:50.24 | Chocky | yes, I know. but I think they changed it |
| 21:50.30 | TAsn | furthermore, they marked group sale as sold out :) |
| 21:50.35 | Chocky | really. |
| 21:50.35 | wurp2 | hachi: more or less |
| 21:50.37 | Chocky | fnar |
| 21:50.51 | Dave | Swap Swap Swap |
| 21:50.55 | Chocky | oh dear |
| 21:50.56 | Dave | chuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrn |
| 21:50.58 | hachi | I see uboot for GTA01, but no images labeled for the system |
| 21:50.59 | Chocky | they really are out |
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| 21:51.01 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/Freerunner.gif - shows a large burst some hours ago. |
| 21:51.09 | SpeedEvil | burst of orders |
| 21:51.11 | linuxxr | maybe the gta03 is closer than we think |
| 21:51.13 | Dave | You don't want uBoot, do you? |
| 21:51.33 | linuxxr | wheres graph? |
| 21:51.36 | hachi | look at the dates on that graph |
| 21:51.39 | Dave | It wasn't me, I swear! |
| 21:51.41 | hachi | ending... 11/07? |
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| 21:51.59 | hachi | oh wait, 7 is month! |
| 21:52.03 | wurp2 | hachi: Hrm, there should be... keep looking around |
| 21:52.03 | hachi | I thought that was year :) |
| 21:52.05 | Dave | :) |
| 21:52.10 | zmoll | TAsn: 12 left on UK site |
| 21:52.22 | linuxxr | hotcakes |
| 21:52.23 | XorA|gone | buy them while they are hot |
| 21:52.26 | TAsn | zmoll, truebox already ran out a couple of times :) |
| 21:52.27 | XorA|gone | in fact buy 12 each |
| 21:52.27 | hachi | wurp2: I'm happy to build my own... is it easy? |
| 21:52.28 | Dave | drop it like it's hot |
| 21:52.32 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.39 | Dave | mostly time consuming |
| 21:52.40 | XorA|gone | the more you buy, the happier I get |
| 21:52.45 | hachi | I've got plenty of CPU |
| 21:52.45 | Dave | hah |
| 21:52.55 | Dave | Speedevil, what are the swap options? |
| 21:53.13 | SpeedEvil | Dave: swap options? |
| 21:53.18 | Dave | oh bah |
| 21:53.24 | wurp2 | hachi: Easy but time consuming |
| 21:53.33 | wurp2 | hachi: > 6 hours, most likely |
| 21:53.35 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/card/tmpswap bs=1024 count=102400 |
| 21:53.46 | linuxxr | gonna need a new freerunner list for people who didnt get one if it sells out |
| 21:53.47 | Dave | oh, okay good |
| 21:53.51 | zmoll | TAsn: That is, 12 freerunners on 18 july shipment. |
| 21:53.52 | SpeedEvil | mkswap /media/card/tmpswap;swapon /media/card/tmpswap |
| 21:54.06 | Dave | Is this on teh wikis? |
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| 21:54.13 | TAsn | zmoll, i know. |
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| 21:54.18 | SpeedEvil | Dave: I on't think so. |
| 21:54.22 | mwester | XorA|gone: Ok, well then it's a workaround. I have the patch you put in place for the failed register read, so there's probably something else as the root cause. |
| 21:54.23 | Dave | swapon; swapoff |
| 21:54.26 | TAsn | it's after they already ran out of this shipment as well. |
| 21:54.27 | Dave | Speedevil, it should be! |
| 21:54.31 | TAsn | they just got more, again. |
| 21:54.45 | zmoll | :-) I am eagerly awaiting the 18/7 shipment :-) |
| 21:54.55 | hachi | come on... I'm waiting for the GTA01 here to power on |
| 21:54.57 | hachi | bloody thing |
| 21:55.01 | Dave | figures... wiki/INCREASE_YOUR_MEMORIES!!11!111 |
| 21:55.02 | TAsn | are there any rumors about when will the 900 be at the official store? |
| 21:55.17 | Qwell | TAsn: I can start one, if you'd like. |
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| 21:55.24 | Dave | hah! |
| 21:55.28 | Dave | Sounds good to me :p |
| 21:55.33 | TAsn | Qwell, well that's better than nothing. |
| 21:55.37 | TAsn | can i pick a date? |
| 21:55.41 | Qwell | sure |
| 21:55.47 | TAsn | hm... |
| 21:55.47 | zmoll | Not seen not nothing about 900 |
| 21:56.21 | TAsn | 28/7 |
| 21:56.25 | TAsn | sounds good? |
| 21:57.08 | TAsn | well sucks to be me, i want to buy it from the us, but i may have to buy it from the uk. |
| 21:57.24 | Chocky | hm |
| 21:57.28 | TAsn | though the shipment only to billing address when paying with CC is kinda annoying... :* |
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| 21:57.53 | zmoll | Oh noes, the 900 is out on 28/7 !! I will be behind the times :-( |
| 21:58.01 | Chocky | just wish I'd called Chase at 7am instead of waiting until 8.30am |
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| 21:58.26 | wurp2 | zmoll: You know 900 has been out in EU & UK since before FR was on sale at om.com? |
| 21:58.56 | TAsn | Qwell, oh nvm, i don't need you |
| 21:59.09 | TAsn | i just saw there's a DOA for the 900 |
| 21:59.09 | zmoll | I know very little. I just wanted to join in. |
| 21:59.22 | TAsn | Sold Out? |
| 21:59.22 | TAsn | GSM 900Mhz variant stock is due on on July 25th |
| 21:59.32 | johngay | How sensitive are the accelerometers? |
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| 22:00.19 | SpeedEvil | johncylee: not |
| 22:00.31 | SpeedEvil | johngay: 16 milligeee resolution. |
| 22:00.33 | johngay | Can they maintain a stationary dot on the screen as I move the phone? |
| 22:00.34 | TAsn | johngay, the accelerometers are a mirror of life, how sensitive they are depends on how sensitive you are |
| 22:00.35 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 22:00.50 | Chocky | so unhelpful |
| 22:00.56 | SpeedEvil | johngay: what do you mean? |
| 22:01.21 | johngay | I was just thinking of an inverse etch-a-scetch. |
| 22:01.33 | Dave | hot |
| 22:01.36 | Chocky | what, the drawing moves your hand? |
| 22:01.55 | Dave | Soviet Etch-R-Sketch? |
| 22:01.59 | johngay | The dot stays in one place and you move the phone to draw. (= |
| 22:01.59 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 22:02.04 | SpeedEvil | johncylee: 16 milligee is 16 centimeters/second/second |
| 22:02.09 | Chocky | slaps Slashdot memes |
| 22:02.11 | SpeedEvil | johngay: so no |
| 22:02.17 | Dave | whee |
| 22:02.19 | kd8ikt | file in wiki under science fiction |
| 22:02.24 | Dave | I think MIT has done something like that |
| 22:02.49 | SpeedEvil | johngay: so after 1 second, it's 8cm out, after 10s, 8m out |
| 22:03.11 | johngay | My original thought was a security measure where you held phone and signed your name to un-lock it. |
| 22:03.38 | SpeedEvil | johngay: you can't do that. |
| 22:03.53 | Chocky | can you say "patent encumbered"? |
| 22:04.33 | johngay | Obviously, it the sensitivity is that poor. |
| 22:04.33 | wurp2 | johngay: But you could change the orientation of the phone to "roll" the dot around |
| 22:04.33 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r9575d8f798ad 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (gpschannel.py ubx.py): |
| 22:04.33 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Port UBX parsing code from ruby over to python. |
| 22:04.33 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: Support for AID-ALM and AID-EPH packets and generic UBX parsing is done. |
| 22:04.33 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r600e2440a9c5 10/ (conf/frameworkd.conf framework/subsystems/ogpsd/factory.py): ogpsd: Use frameworkd.conf for GPS device configuration |
| 22:04.34 | johngay | If I don't know about a patent, I can't infringe it ( |
| 22:04.34 | wurp2 | Because there's always that 1G pulling down, which is way bigger than the error |
| 22:04.34 | johngay | (= |
| 22:04.34 | Chocky | aw |
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| 22:04.39 | wurp2 | johngay: Yes, you can |
| 22:04.46 | SpeedEvil | johngay: there is always GPS. |
| 22:04.53 | wurp2 | johngay: But you're probably in a better position in court to pay less damages |
| 22:05.01 | SpeedEvil | johngay: you can run round in the shape of your signature. |
| 22:05.05 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: Only if you want to run around in a field to make your sig |
| 22:05.06 | Chocky | GPS as an acellerometer? ;-) |
| 22:05.17 | Chocky | laffs |
| 22:05.42 | wurp2 | Like the guy who drew his face on the world with gps |
| 22:05.59 | wurp2 | or, rather, the guy who set up a hoax website about having done so |
| 22:06.06 | johngay | Part of patent infringement is knowingly infringing. If I don't know about it, then I'm not liable. |
| 22:06.27 | TAsn | johngay, you sound like someone who knows about it ;)( |
| 22:06.33 | wurp2 | johngay: That is not true |
| 22:06.41 | SpeedEvil | johngay: err - no |
| 22:06.44 | Chocky | plus this is the US |
| 22:06.47 | SpeedEvil | johngay: if you know about it, you're liable for enhanced damages. |
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| 22:06.55 | SpeedEvil | johngay: if you don't, you're still liable. |
| 22:07.19 | SpeedEvil | johngay: not knowing about a patent is _not_ a defence against infringment. |
| 22:07.28 | johngay | O.K., I was generalising, but that's why Linus never looks up patents. |
| 22:07.53 | Agrajag- | don't know where you got that piece of information from either |
| 22:08.31 | johngay | Direct quote from Linus when SCO filed their suit against IBM. |
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| 22:09.44 | johngay | If I figure something out on my own, I can argue it was simple basic knowledge and the patent is not valid. |
| 22:09.53 | Chocky | goodluckwiththat |
| 22:10.00 | Agrajag- | not true johngay |
| 22:10.05 | wurp2 | Hmm, I do wonder if they can sue you for damages if you don't make any money off the infringement... I know they can put an injunction against you continuing to distribute infringing "devices" |
| 22:10.08 | johngay | If I know about the patent, I've got no defence at all. |
| 22:10.29 | raster | johngay: u'd have to argue it in a court |
| 22:10.30 | Agrajag- | you do if you have prior art, or obviousness |
| 22:10.31 | johngay | I said I can argue. Not that it'd work. |
| 22:10.33 | raster | with a lot of lawyers and money |
| 22:10.34 | raster | :) |
| 22:10.41 | ieatlint | yes, they can sue you |
| 22:10.50 | raster | mostg patents are blatantly obvious to someone skilled in he art |
| 22:10.56 | ieatlint | they can claim you cost them earnings, even if you didn't make money on it |
| 22:10.57 | wurp2 | ieatlint: Sorry, successfully sue you |
| 22:11.26 | raster | he uspto is just a lazy-arse clod that will appove anything u waft under its nose once u have paid the fees and had enouhg lawyers sign their names on the application |
| 22:11.29 | *** join/#openmoko BuzzBlaster (n=chatzill@adsl-230-199-152.btr.bellsouth.net) |
| 22:11.29 | johngay | But if I can figure it out, it must be blatently obvious. I.E. the patent is invalid on grounds of obviousness. (= |
| 22:11.59 | wurp2 | johngay: So you're arguing in court that you're too stupid to figure out anything interesting? ;-) |
| 22:12.09 | Agrajag- | i think that's what he must be saying |
| 22:12.20 | johngay | Yes. I'm sure I could convice any jury of that (= |
| 22:12.25 | wurp2 | That is totally meant to be a joke, btw, not a comment on you whatsoever |
| 22:12.57 | BuzzBlaster | how can I check the status of my freerunner order? (perhaps get a tracking number??) |
| 22:13.20 | mmontour | BuzzBlaster: see the topic |
| 22:13.42 | johngay | One look at my code here: http://archive.gp2x.de/cgi-bin/cfiles.cgi?0,0,0,0,25,2107 is proof enough |
| 22:13.48 | BuzzBlaster | mmontour: yeah..I see that. But it just links to a comic |
| 22:14.30 | mmontour | The serious answer is that you should get a tracking number when your order has shipped. There's a page on the Wiki tracking the highest order# for which someone has received a tracking number |
| 22:14.51 | mmontour | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Where_is_my_Freerunner%3F |
| 22:15.02 | Chocky | all my fault, that page |
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| 22:16.07 | doc|work | man, they really are getting through about 200 orders a day |
| 22:17.04 | ieatlint | worth noting that page relies on people reporting the info |
| 22:17.34 | ieatlint | so it's not like an official tally, and if someone fails to report they got a tracking num after previously putting themselves up as "not yet" ... |
| 22:17.46 | Chocky | true. |
| 22:17.49 | doc|work | ieatlint: yeah, but people not getting responses yet says enough |
| 22:17.50 | Chocky | but, you know, |
| 22:17.58 | Chocky | all a bit of fun |
| 22:18.03 | ieatlint | oh, i'm not trying to knock it |
| 22:18.10 | Chocky | aye |
| 22:18.11 | ieatlint | i'm 1459 on there |
| 22:18.18 | ieatlint | just figure i'd add a disclaimer :P |
| 22:18.24 | Chocky | my main problem is that I can't get past your nick |
| 22:18.26 | johngay | So how long do they plan to have the phones available? Is it really open-ended or am I gonna miss out if I don't get my money together soon? |
| 22:18.36 | Chocky | well 10 packs just sold out. go figure. |
| 22:18.49 | kd8ikt | oh no |
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| 22:19.00 | ieatlint | i think there's supposed to be a second batch at some point |
| 22:19.08 | Chocky | I'm sure. if you want to wait ;-) |
| 22:19.50 | ieatlint | i'm already waiting... i haven't even gotten to the point in the topic-linked xkcd comic :( |
| 22:19.57 | johngay | I don't mind a wait, as long as I don't end up SOL if I wait too long. |
| 22:20.01 | wurp2 | ~SHR |
| 22:20.02 | apt | shr is, like, Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
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| 22:20.26 | MarcOChapeau | wurp2: he, good to know |
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| 22:21.25 | budfive | Does anybody know if the hardware for the freerunner is open? I couldn't find any schematics or pcb layouts on their pages last night... |
| 22:21.35 | Chocky | hm. |
| 22:21.37 | rivalarrival | Alright, here's how it's going to work: I'm going to check my e-mail. Openmoko WILL have sent a tracking number. I will refrain from claiming to have slept with OpenMoko's mother. |
| 22:21.53 | Chocky | high fives budfive - SoCal |
| 22:21.59 | doc|work | rivalarrival: you've just set yourself up for a disappointment |
| 22:22.02 | mmontour | schematics/PCB are not open in general, but if you ask a specific question then you can usually get an answer from one of the developers |
| 22:22.17 | rivalarrival | Openmoko's mom is a real slut! |
| 22:22.55 | johngay | So am I, but I'm a lesbian trapped in a mans body. |
| 22:23.20 | budfive | di you know if there are plans to open those up at some point? Does FIC have ownership and refusing to open those up? |
| 22:23.38 | doc|work | rivalarrival: haha |
| 22:23.39 | Stroller | johngay: you're not gonna miss out. Now they've finalised the production model they can just keep rolling them out down the production line. |
| 22:23.58 | Chocky | rollin' rollin' rollin' |
| 22:24.09 | doc|work | stabs Chocky |
| 22:24.13 | johngay | I know they can, it's a matter of if they will. |
| 22:24.25 | Chocky | enstabened |
| 22:24.26 | Stroller | 'course they will |
| 22:24.32 | doc|work | budfive: in fairness, if you were openmoko, would you? |
| 22:24.51 | doc|work | budfive: we don't need schematics to have an open phone |
| 22:24.53 | budfive | docwork: isn't that the whole point of the project? |
| 22:25.07 | doc|work | budfive: nope, open use, not open hardware |
| 22:25.09 | johngay | There was talk at one point of opening the hardware at some point, but FIC wanted to re-coup their design costs first. Fair enough I think. |
| 22:25.18 | doc|work | johngay: indeed |
| 22:25.25 | budfive | that's fine, i just wanted to know |
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| 22:26.34 | budfive | i don't agree that this falls beyond the ideals of the project, though. At all. My desired use can have something to do with fiddling with the hardware directly, for example. If there are hardware bugs, I want to be able to fix those just like I'll be able to fix software bugs. Anyway... |
| 22:26.45 | wurp2 | Does anyone know if the X based Qtopia puts each window in a real X window, or does it all run as one X app? |
| 22:27.43 | Chocky | so hardcore |
| 22:28.03 | Chocky | budfive: where are you? |
| 22:28.06 | doc|work | budfive: no harm in asking, they're generally pretty open about that stuff |
| 22:28.40 | doc|work | budfive: joerg is on here sometimes, or email the mailing list |
| 22:29.39 | budfive | ok. thanks. |
| 22:29.44 | budfive | chocky: pasadena. you in la? |
| 22:29.58 | Chocky | North County |
| 22:30.01 | johngay | agrajag: I'm guessing you're a fan of DNA? |
| 22:30.32 | Chocky | ok, I'm actually in San Diego right now, but, well. |
| 22:30.42 | doc|work | anyone got any idea why there have been orders skipped? |
| 22:31.05 | Chocky | mystery |
| 22:31.24 | Chocky | esp. since _mine_ is one of those |
| 22:31.33 | linuxxr | dangit |
| 22:31.40 | linuxxr | not good |
| 22:31.58 | doc|work | Chocky: hahaha |
| 22:32.21 | Chocky | sobs |
| 22:32.26 | linuxxr | funny if it shows up tomorrow wit no track # |
| 22:32.32 | doc|work | yeah |
| 22:32.39 | Chocky | quite |
| 22:32.39 | abraxa_ | budfive: Well, the I2C/SPI solder points are clearly marked, for example, and are easily accessible under linux |
| 22:32.50 | Chocky | thing is, I have 9 people waiting |
| 22:33.07 | linuxxr | ooo gruopage |
| 22:33.56 | doc|work | yeah, when I looked at the list first I wondered if they were shipping individual orders first, just to get the order numbers down, but it doesn't look like that according to the page |
| 22:34.35 | hachi | I just tried to do a make update, which has failed |
| 22:34.43 | hachi | monotone.openmoko.org is dead or somefin? |
| 22:34.44 | linuxxr | they ran outa large boxes at that point |
| 22:35.01 | Chocky | someone run to Staples to get more! |
| 22:35.20 | doc|work | linuxxr: hehe, yeah, except they've skipped individual orders too |
| 22:35.37 | johngay | I can't wait to show my FreeRunner to an iPhone uses, opening a web page via Wi-Fi and saying "Can you do that?" |
| 22:35.40 | doc|work | maybe we should ask about debug boards on that page? |
| 22:35.53 | doc|work | johngay: erm, they can |
| 22:35.58 | Chocky | was about to say |
| 22:36.22 | Chocky | install some arbitrary piece of software. |
| 22:36.23 | doc|work | johngay: ask them can they install things that aren't apple approved without jailbreaking it :) |
| 22:36.27 | rivalarrival | I really don't need a special box. A pizza box would be fine, as long as they kinda scrape the cheese and pepperoni out of it. If they feel bad about it, they can send the proper packaging later. |
| 22:36.36 | doc|work | rivalarrival: hahaha |
| 22:36.38 | johngay | Then plug the USB cable into a printer and print the web page and say "Can you do that?" |
| 22:36.56 | Agrajag- | then they'll answer a phone call and say "can you do that?" |
| 22:37.03 | rivalarrival | Agrajag-: LOL |
| 22:37.05 | doc|work | johngay: oh, or, much more ridiculously, "look, here's me copying and pasting" |
| 22:37.06 | johngay | Then plug it into a CD burner and burn a CD (= |
| 22:37.22 | mwester | hachi: monotone has been replace for quite some time. You'll probably be best off by deleting your build env and starting over. |
| 22:37.30 | hachi | lovely |
| 22:37.30 | rivalarrival | Oooh, burning cds with the openmoko... That would kick ass. |
| 22:37.31 | kelvie_work | johngay: one up them.. ssh the postscript file printed into a computer via wifi |
| 22:37.46 | kelvie_work | cat print.ps | ssh machine lpr |
| 22:37.51 | doc|work | copying and pasting! |
| 22:38.01 | kelvie_work | no need for usb cable :P |
| 22:38.14 | kelvie_work | just like how I can print documents at home from work |
| 22:38.23 | rivalarrival | This might just replace the eeepc at some point... |
| 22:38.49 | rivalarrival | is drooling |
| 22:38.51 | kelvie_work | hell, as soon as I get emacs working on this thing |
| 22:38.58 | kelvie_work | it will cover 75% of my uses |
| 22:38.59 | edistar | kelvie_work: it runs |
| 22:39.05 | johngay | I thought it was just as powerful as an eee PC? |
| 22:39.05 | hachi | can I get dfu-util to list the partitions on the device? |
| 22:39.13 | kelvie_work | edistar: hrm.. is the screen big enough for 80 columns? :p |
| 22:39.14 | edistar | kelvie_work: running on the freerunner ;) |
| 22:39.18 | kelvie_work | when held upright |
| 22:39.26 | edistar | kelvie_work: hrm, that's the problem ;) |
| 22:39.29 | budfive | do multiple-touch points work on the touchscreen? can you press emacs key combos? |
| 22:39.29 | kelvie_work | edistar: aw man.. now I'm even _more_ impatient |
| 22:39.33 | edistar | kelvie_work: but it works.. |
| 22:39.37 | kelvie_work | edistar: does it do it held lengthwise? :p |
| 22:39.40 | edistar | in landscape |
| 22:39.40 | kelvie_work | it has 640x480 |
| 22:39.43 | rivalarrival | johngay: Not after you mod the eeepc with extra hardware |
| 22:39.46 | linuxxr | 14 left |
| 22:39.47 | kelvie_work | mmm :p |
| 22:40.08 | _newbie3 | i think the eee has more power. arm isn't as much power per MHZ as x86... |
| 22:40.12 | kelvie_work | who needs all these software stacks anyways.. when you got an operating system like emacs running on it :p |
| 22:40.47 | johngay | Yea, the only thing emacs is missing is a kernel. |
| 22:41.10 | johngay | But it's due any day now, since 1989. |
| 22:42.10 | johngay | Is it possible to run a serial console over USB? |
| 22:42.16 | Chocky | yes |
| 22:42.23 | Chocky | well, I mean |
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| 22:42.29 | Chocky | if it's a USB serial thing ;-) |
| 22:43.18 | johngay | No, I need RS232 on an RJ45 connector type setup. |
| 22:43.27 | retracile | Where's the information on orders being skipped? |
| 22:43.31 | Chocky | computer -> USB/Serial adapater -> TTL logic convertor -> FR connector? |
| 22:43.44 | Chocky | oh, one of those |
| 22:43.46 | kelvie_work | mm is it possible to ssh into the phone via bluetooth? |
| 22:43.51 | Chocky | those are wired in about 6 different ways |
| 22:44.08 | johngay | FreeRunner -> USB/Serial adapater -> RJ45 |
| 22:44.27 | Chocky | ah, that makes more sense. Yes, enitrely possible |
| 22:44.51 | johngay | Well, I'd need it for Sun, IBM and HP console management ports. |
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| 22:45.16 | Chocky | yes, I have some units here with that wiring. but it's different to any of the wiring of those things ;-) |
| 22:45.23 | Chocky | that connector I mean |
| 22:46.02 | johngay | Can't wait till I can plug my FreeRunner into a Sun console management port and run a terminal on it. |
| 22:46.25 | johngay | That will shut up those crackberry fanatics at work (= |
| 22:46.28 | doc|work | hehehe |
| 22:46.36 | doc|work | "oh look, and it can do email!" |
| 22:46.47 | Chocky | until you want to actually type anything at speed on the console :p |
| 22:46.55 | rivalarrival | bluetooth keyboard |
| 22:47.03 | doc|work | Chocky: blu.... damn you rivalarrival |
| 22:47.11 | johngay | I'm pretty quick with txt-typing. |
| 22:47.16 | rivalarrival | doc|work: :) |
| 22:47.21 | _newbie3 | i bet blackberrys work with 1.8V sim card though. |
| 22:47.39 | mmontour | kelvie_work: yes, you can ssh over BT |
| 22:47.40 | doc|work | hmmm, analysts say motorola's handset division's not worth 500 million |
| 22:47.49 | kelvie_work | mmontour: wow |
| 22:47.50 | Chocky | aw, only 450? |
| 22:47.51 | johngay | Whats a blackberry??? Is it like a crackberry? |
| 22:47.57 | kelvie_work | then this makes this the best phone ever in itself |
| 22:48.02 | rivalarrival | Need more battery power. |
| 22:48.04 | kelvie_work | ssh'ing into my phone to do coding |
| 22:48.30 | hachi | okay... I'm puzzled |
| 22:48.41 | rivalarrival | Hi, puzzled, I'm rival |
| 22:48.59 | johngay | Hi, puzzled, I'm John |
| 22:49.11 | _newbie3 | johngay: a blackberry is a kind of digital lesh that's used to get employees to check their email even while asleep. |
| 22:49.14 | Chocky | and no one can rival that |
| 22:49.15 | kelvie_work | hi puzzled, I'm an alcoholic |
| 22:49.20 | hachi | oh, I figured it out |
| 22:49.32 | rivalarrival | care to enlighten us? |
| 22:49.32 | hachi | dfu-util was seeing my bluetooth dongle and trying to flash openmoko to it :) |
| 22:49.42 | rivalarrival | Nice |
| 22:49.45 | kd8ikt | yikes |
| 22:50.12 | hachi | beats me, I though the mfgr/product ids in usb were to prevent this, but meh... whatever |
| 22:50.41 | johngay | Can you make phone calls on you BT dongle now? |
| 22:50.49 | hachi | it failed |
| 22:50.57 | _newbie3 | maybe the bluetooth dongle uses the same protocol for updates, it's an usb standard... |
| 22:50.58 | hachi | the dongle won't boot anymore ;) |
| 22:51.15 | hachi | I'll have to reinstall vista on the dongle |
| 22:51.30 | Chocky | sounds painful |
| 22:51.42 | johngay | Put emacs on it. That'll boot on anything (= |
| 22:52.07 | hachi | yeah, but vista has notepad... emacs doesn't have a decent editor :D |
| 22:52.44 | Chocky | er, as you say, vista doesn't have a decent editor |
| 22:53.35 | mmontour | hachi: you can specify the vendor/product IDs when you call dfu-util (-d flag) |
| 22:53.37 | johngay | vista doesn't have a decent '.' |
| 22:54.10 | hachi | I just unplugged the dongle... so much easier |
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| 22:55.30 | hachi | whistles in the dark while the rootfs is written |
| 22:55.46 | Chocky | whistles in the dark for his tracking number |
| 22:56.27 | johngay | doesn't want to know what hachi and Chocky are doing in the dark together. |
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| 22:57.00 | Chocky | can only order 14 from the store now |
| 22:57.21 | SpeedEvil | can only order 0. |
| 22:57.34 | SpeedEvil | A) no CC. B) no cash. |
| 22:57.53 | ieatlint | just go show up at their distro centre and rob them |
| 22:57.54 | mw| | hmmm.. openmoko-mediaplayer2 is not able to display it's stock icons on things like "play" etc, so I get a bunch of small empty buttons (fresh FreeRunner) |
| 22:58.00 | kelvie_work | wow, no credit card? |
| 22:58.17 | rivalarrival | ieatlint: If they don't send me a farging tracking number, I just might! |
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| 22:58.21 | SpeedEvil | kelvie_work: no. I have credit problems due to unfortunately timed illness. |
| 22:58.26 | kelvie_work | ack :( |
| 22:58.34 | abraxa_ | mw|: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Un-crippling_the_2007.2_image |
| 22:58.40 | Chocky | heh, I wedged the shop. I can't get to my cart, since I'm trying to add more more than they have |
| 22:58.41 | kelvie_work | so do you rely on paypal? |
| 22:58.43 | ieatlint | the phones have been in fremont for a week now... 45min away and yet so far |
| 22:59.01 | rivalarrival | Get you ass down there and help them pack! |
| 22:59.09 | mw| | abraxa_: thanks, I'll have a look (the wiki is a bit hard to find the correct info in) |
| 22:59.35 | kd8ikt | dang a whole week |
| 22:59.43 | abraxa_ | mw|: When I get some time I'll add the theme to the bitbake recipe so this'll be fixed relatively soon anyway |
| 22:59.47 | Chocky | incl. 4th july, mind |
| 23:00.59 | hachi | what's the deal with putting 3g sim's into the 1973, can I fix the firmware? |
| 23:01.07 | ieatlint | yeah, who knew that we could've just arranged a group order, had me pick it up and had me mail the damned phones to all of you faster |
| 23:01.10 | mw| | abraxa_: also, when does the new snapshot for the toolchain arrive (I had to build opkg myself) |
| 23:01.15 | hachi | I remember ther was a long debate a while ago... I don't know the result |
| 23:01.19 | Chocky | linty: aye. sigh |
| 23:01.22 | mw| | (I'm a complete newbe on this project) |
| 23:01.55 | abraxa_ | mw|: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/sdk/ - fresh from the oven every day |
| 23:03.02 | mmontour | hachi: you can't update the GSM firmware yourself. You could mail your phone to Michael Shiloh and he would update it for you (don't know if this offer is still valid). |
| 23:03.09 | rivalarrival | They need a webcam in their distribution center. (I imagine it's somebody's garage) |
| 23:03.11 | mw| | yeah, I tried http://downloads.openmoko.org/toolchains/openmoko-i686-arm-linux-gnueabi-toolchain.tar.bz2 as stated on the "ToolChain" wiki-page |
| 23:03.18 | mw| | that explains it |
| 23:03.25 | retracile | Ah, found it: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Where_is_my_Freerunner? -- order numbers & ship dates |
| 23:04.04 | hachi | bleh, I wonder if anyone even sells old sims anymomre |
| 23:04.13 | Chocky | ebay :p |
| 23:04.21 | hachi | kinda pointless to have this thing if I can't get onto a network with it |
| 23:04.57 | abraxa_ | hachi: GTA01 or 02? |
| 23:05.00 | hachi | 01 |
| 23:05.11 | abraxa_ | hachi: Then Michael Shiloh will fix it for you |
| 23:05.12 | hachi | serial number 213 :D |
| 23:05.15 | johngay | You're not planning to use it as a phone, are you??? |
| 23:05.24 | hachi | I was planning to try it as a phone |
| 23:05.29 | hachi | not use it |
| 23:06.16 | hachi | I also was planning to not be an arse... and I just broke that |
| 23:06.21 | hachi | bleh |
| 23:06.25 | ieatlint | does anyone even know the address of the warehouse? |
| 23:06.29 | Chocky | hah |
| 23:06.29 | Chocky | raid |
| 23:06.38 | doc|work | blinx: hardly, you paid money for a phone... :/ |
| 23:06.44 | ieatlint | they say to enter it as the shipping address if you want to pick up a 10pk, but they never tell you what the address it |
| 23:06.45 | ieatlint | is |
| 23:06.52 | mw| | abraxa_: I tried the first sted, but no clock appeared.. is that a good sign? :-p |
| 23:07.23 | abraxa_ | mw|: Then you either did something wrong or you didn't restart X |
| 23:07.47 | mw| | I can try to restart X again |
| 23:08.53 | abraxa_ | Any success? |
| 23:09.33 | mw| | yes, appeared this time |
| 23:09.42 | abraxa_ | Good :) |
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| 23:10.27 | Chocky | wolfy |
| 23:10.44 | wolfmanjm | woohoo I just picked up out 10 pack from the warehouse. He said they are shipping about 1,000 a day! |
| 23:10.59 | Chocky | bitch |
| 23:11.05 | Chocky | where's mine! |
| 23:11.06 | kelvie_work | wow |
| 23:11.22 | doc|work | wolfmanjm: mean! |
| 23:11.26 | doc|work | wolfmanjm: ask them where's ours?! |
| 23:11.28 | doc|work | :) |
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| 23:11.32 | Chocky | linty: now you can ask address |
| 23:11.49 | wolfmanjm | so that should give others an idea of when theirs will ship, my orfder # was 1692 |
| 23:11.59 | doc|work | wolfmanjm: wait, 1000 phones or 1000 orders? |
| 23:12.00 | ieatlint | i found it, 5020 Brandin Court, Fremont, CA |
| 23:12.02 | Chocky | mine's 1345 |
| 23:12.05 | rivalarrival | Where can I ship caffeine, and in what manner would they prefer it? (Coffee, Soda, Red Bull, Bawls...) |
| 23:12.09 | mw| | gpe-icons made things look a bit better |
| 23:12.12 | wolfmanjm | he said they shipped 1,00 packages today |
| 23:12.27 | doc|work | hmmm |
| 23:12.27 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:BloodcurdlingScream lol read that |
| 23:12.29 | wolfmanjm | 1,000 |
| 23:12.38 | Chocky | wolfmanjm: 10 packs are all out on shop |
| 23:12.50 | doc|work | kd8ikt: I love that! |
| 23:13.00 | Chocky | and I can only order 13 singles. |
| 23:14.14 | Stroller | That's a great idea, but doesn't freefall look the same as stationary to the accelerometers? |
| 23:14.27 | rivalarrival | stroller: No, they can detect gravity |
| 23:14.27 | Chocky | yes, but you know when it'll stop |
| 23:14.46 | Stroller | rivalarrival: ah, cool! |
| 23:14.50 | budfive | freefall sees 0m/s^2. stationary sees 9.8m/s^2 down |
| 23:14.54 | Chocky | ah |
| 23:15.13 | Chocky | gravity-o-meter |
| 23:15.20 | leinirAWAY | kd8ikt: Hahaa, that's nifty ;) |
| 23:15.44 | SpeedEvil | They detect the sum of dynamic and gravity accelleration. |
| 23:15.55 | rivalarrival | Heh, pinball. |
| 23:16.32 | abraxa_ | kd8ikt: That would sure be a hit with the girls. Take that, idrone! |
| 23:16.48 | rivalarrival | Ooh, what do you call that game? has a marble in a maze, you turn knobs to pitch and roll the maze itself? |
| 23:17.10 | SpeedEvil | pitcharollyballknobs |
| 23:17.18 | rivalarrival | Yeah, that's it. |
| 23:17.29 | edistar | someone really should program that game.. |
| 23:17.44 | johngay | Anyone wanna see my ModelFokker? |
| 23:17.54 | rivalarrival | Oooh, how about a bubble level? |
| 23:17.59 | doc|work | johngay: as in, a plane? |
| 23:18.03 | Chocky | labyrinth. But check out neverball |
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| 23:18.14 | johngay | http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fokkerfrontal4.jpg |
| 23:18.29 | rivalarrival | Yeah, someone needs to turn it into a torpedo level. :) |
| 23:18.57 | Agrajag- | i've played neverball with my thinkpad laptop which has accelerometers |
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| 23:37.01 | *** topic/#openmoko is Buy Freerunner at http://openmoko.com/ , or linked distributors. | Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | Software means it's _NOT_ a stable phone, even for the expert user. This will change as more is developed. | #openmoko-cdevel for community dev efforts | Shipping status updates: http://xkcd.com/281/ |
| 23:37.09 | leinirAWAY | hachi: Yeah, that's ASU :) It's the one with the top bar that expands down when tapped... |
| 23:37.20 | hachi | hurr, will try tappy |
| 23:37.37 | mw| | powerbutton on FF stops to respons after using USB for a while |
| 23:37.45 | leinirAWAY | It's kind of your task bar come info panel :) |
| 23:38.03 | johngay | Sorry rival, but I don't have a general tab OR global options OR nick completion. But I'm running 1.3.10 from KDE 3.2.2 |
| 23:39.24 | johngay | It was the bleeding edge when I built this dual Opteron (= |
| 23:39.46 | leinirAWAY | Ksirc is not just old, it simply is no more ;) |
| 23:39.52 | rivalarrival | johngay: Well, that's gay. :-) |
| 23:40.20 | johngay | I'm looking at installing artistX soon. |
| 23:40.28 | hachi | leinirAWAY: top bar doesn't expand down |
| 23:40.37 | Chocky | prepares to go home again with no tracking |
| 23:40.55 | johngay | But I want to see what KDE-4.works looks like. |
| 23:40.55 | leinirAWAY | hachi: Hmm... How'd you flash it onto the device? And exactly which image did you flash onto it? |
| 23:40.59 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * re4697b9bb3a7 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (factory.py gpsdevice.py helpers.py nmea.py om.py ubx.py): |
| 23:40.59 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Add a GTA02Device which works on GTA02. |
| 23:40.59 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: SetPower method will set the power via odeviced. |
| 23:41.21 | hachi | uImage-2.6.24+git18+9c058ff0d2641df3c36fc3300acb72078d2c41d4-r0-om-gta01.bin |
| 23:41.23 | leinirAWAY | johngay: It looks sort of like what you make it look like ;) |
| 23:41.33 | hachi | Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080710-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 23:41.42 | hachi | and I used dfu-util |
| 23:41.51 | leinirAWAY | hachi: Ah, now there's your problem - that's not the asu stack :) |
| 23:42.02 | johngay | But I'm waiting till they actually release 4.works, not 4.demo |
| 23:42.09 | hachi | well, which one is the asu stack then? I'm totally confused how you can tell |
| 23:42.34 | leinirAWAY | hachi: As you said yourself, it's the qtopia based one... make a wild guess? :) |
| 23:42.44 | mmontour | ASU contains the string "qtopia-x11" |
| 23:42.59 | hachi | there are no images in the 1973 folder called 'qtopia-x11' |
| 23:43.10 | hachi | I see them in the freerunner dir, but I have a 1973 |
| 23:43.32 | leinirAWAY | hachi: this one? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080710/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080710-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 23:43.56 | hachi | WTF, I clipped ^F and searched the page |
| 23:44.09 | hachi | there is no letter q on the page I'm on |
| 23:44.33 | hachi | there are new files in that directory |
| 23:44.34 | Chocky | enough! |
| 23:44.38 | hachi | they didn't exist when I loaded it XD |
| 23:44.53 | hachi | must've compiled just after I loade the dir, sorry bout the trouble |
| 23:45.18 | Jai`Lemon | Anyone ever heard of ChaCha? (chacha.com) - I work for them from home making $15/hour, google it, it's reputable. Just thought I'd share it. I have invites if anyone wants. It's hard to get hired without one. You get paid via a refillable debit card anytime you want. It's linked a real checking account. It's a real company, you work as an indepent contractor. The job and money is real. Want an invite or to know more? PM me. |
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| 23:45.44 | leinirAWAY | ehrm... right ;) |
| 23:45.44 | cjb | yay spam. |
| 23:45.54 | hachi | wow, 15 dollars an hour |
| 23:46.10 | leinirAWAY | Wow, that's almost worth getting out of bed for in the morning ;) |
| 23:46.15 | cjb | that's, like, almost significantly above minimum wage |
| 23:46.17 | ljp | no thanks, I like my job at Nokia |
| 23:46.22 | cjb | :) |
| 23:46.33 | hachi | I like my web 2.0 job |
| 23:46.52 | leinirAWAY | Hehe, i'm at uni for another two years ;) |
| 23:47.09 | ljp | uni schmuni |
| 23:47.09 | leinirAWAY | The last year i hope to spend playing with the freerunner full time :) |
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| 23:47.50 | leinirAWAY | Well, the last year i will be without my student grant... which might potentially be a bit difficult :) |
| 23:48.12 | ljp | still wonders why they uses usb 1 |
| 23:48.20 | chillywilly | anyone using the ASU firmware? |
| 23:48.29 | cjb | leinirAWAY: here's your solution! |
| 23:48.52 | cjb | although, tbh, you'd probably make more money and have more fun selling things in World of Warcraft or something. |
| 23:48.54 | leinirAWAY | cjb: internship with OpenMoko? ;) |
| 23:49.30 | chillywilly | does the "april" in ASU refer to last april? |
| 23:49.35 | leinirAWAY | ljp: afaik power usage :) usb2 is much heavier :) |
| 23:49.53 | leinirAWAY | chillywilly: Hehe, it's called ASU (april/august software update) in some places i've seen ;) |
| 23:50.06 | chillywilly | ic...;P |
| 23:50.09 | ljp | leinirAWAY: most other phones I have use usb2, so its not that big of drain |
| 23:50.22 | leinirAWAY | ljp: They are not host devices :) |
| 23:50.43 | ljp | leinirAWAY: flashing the n810 is _way_ faster than the neo |
| 23:51.07 | leinirAWAY | The n801 can't function as USB host, does it? |
| 23:51.12 | leinirAWAY | ehrm... "can it" |
| 23:51.23 | edistar | it can afaik |
| 23:51.27 | edistar | the n770 could, at least |
| 23:51.43 | leinirAWAY | Right, well, it's a design decision i guess :) |
| 23:51.59 | hachi | okay... trying to load up qtopia now |
| 23:52.17 | leinirAWAY | hachi: It's a little dodgy, i'd warn you :) |
| 23:52.35 | ljp | qtopia is not dodgy |
| 23:52.37 | hachi | I think I'd classify my GTA01B_V4 to be a little dodgy too :) |
| 23:52.59 | johngay | I've got a !friend at work who might be interested in that chacha thing (= |
| 23:53.00 | leinirAWAY | ljp: The ASU stack is just snapshot-quality :) |
| 23:53.08 | ljp | leinirAWAY: thats not qtopia |
| 23:53.11 | hachi | maybe dodgy x dodgy will become dodgy² |
| 23:53.12 | *** join/#openmoko ab0oo (n=johng@c-76-97-204-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 23:53.32 | leinirAWAY | ljp: it's a question of knowing what hachi is talking about when he says qtopia - he means ASU ;) |
| 23:53.45 | mmontour | ljp: is there a lawyer-approved qtopia image for GTA01 yet? Last time I looked I only saw a Freerunner one. |
| 23:54.07 | ljp | mmontour: am working on one as we speak |
| 23:54.31 | mmontour | ok, thanks. |
| 23:54.37 | playya | ,seen thos |
| 23:54.58 | playya | !seen thos |
| 23:54.58 | cdbot2 | thos (i=thomas@nano.thos.me.uk) was last seen parting #openmoko 29 days, 4 hours, 15 minutes ago stating "{}". |
| 23:55.12 | leinirAWAY | ljp: ah yes, i should really try out tat image, shouldn't i :) |
| 23:55.22 | *** join/#openmoko batti112 (n=batti@p5B14C273.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:55.24 | leinirAWAY | The proper qtopia :) |
| 23:55.32 | ljp | well, its not perfect |
| 23:56.31 | leinirAWAY | Of course :) |
| 23:56.44 | leinirAWAY | but i'm pissing about with the thing anyway, might as well give it a shot :) |
| 23:57.07 | ljp | well, you can make calls and send sms |
| 23:58.20 | ab0oo | is opie something that could ever be used on the freerunner? |
| 23:58.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r3681b7f4fd72 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: up EFL to include etk momentum scroll fixes. |
| 23:58.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r3a7cdd0f37f5 10/packages/initscripts/initscripts_1.0.bb: up initscripts version |
| 23:58.41 | ljp | sure, if yo udont mind being without gsm stuff |
| 23:58.54 | leinirAWAY | gsm? |
| 23:59.07 | cjb | I wonder what's stopping gsm working on qtopia |
| 23:59.08 | ljp | that was to ab0oo |
| 23:59.16 | cjb | fixing that seems like it'd be big progress |
| 23:59.18 | leinirAWAY | Aah, sorry :) |
| 23:59.23 | ab0oo | <g>. ok... what would it take to create a gsm app for opie? is opie dbuss compatible? |
