| 00:01.48 | doc|work | when your order is shipped, you get a tracking np. right? |
| 00:01.51 | doc|work | s/np/no |
| 00:02.04 | nullpuppy | supposedly |
| 00:02.28 | roh | afaik |
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| 00:04.15 | doc|work | thanks |
| 00:04.19 | doc|work | home time |
| 00:06.30 | ebbe | roh: How long will it take before I can log in? |
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| 00:10.07 | roh | ebbe i'm not totally sure.. either immediately or when one of the many crons ran.. i guess an hour or so max |
| 00:10.29 | ebbe | roh: Okay. Great |
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| 00:14.41 | chillywilly | w00t, order no. 3000!!! |
| 00:14.47 | chillywilly | yaaaaaay |
| 00:15.41 | kelvie_work | holy crap it went up to 3000 already/ |
| 00:16.34 | ieatlint | keep wooting until you find out that seemingly no orders have shipped yet :P |
| 00:16.57 | ebbe | 3000 is a nice number :) |
| 00:17.10 | SpeedEvil | I've noted in the past that the ticket nuber seems _way- over what the shop is reporting. |
| 00:17.13 | chillywilly | where will it most likely ship from? |
| 00:17.46 | SpeedEvil | I suspect that each eamil you get related to your FR transaction increases the number by one. |
| 00:17.50 | ieatlint | the US warehouse is in fremont, california |
| 00:17.51 | kelvie_work | SpeedEvil: you still trust that number that gets returned from the webshop when you try to order 1000? :p |
| 00:18.04 | ieatlint | (san fran bay area) |
| 00:18.11 | SpeedEvil | kelvie_work: the graph is compelling. |
| 00:18.20 | kelvie_work | graph? |
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| 00:19.01 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/Freerunner.gif |
| 00:19.05 | chillywilly | when will they start shipping things? |
| 00:19.11 | roh | ticketnumbers in the shop are not without 'holes (cancelled or incomplete orders) and also did not start at 0 |
| 00:19.52 | chillywilly | I can wait...I've waited this long |
| 00:19.54 | chillywilly | :) |
| 00:20.12 | kelvie_work | ah |
| 00:20.45 | roh | SpeedEvil hrhr.. ok.. thats funny.,. what a bogus datasource;) |
| 00:21.06 | kelvie_work | still, it should be well over 1000 sold |
| 00:21.07 | xzcvczx | anyone using qtopia on 01 know how to backspace? |
| 00:21.08 | SpeedEvil | (though of course, I make absolutely no claims as to the accuracy of the silly graph I made. |
| 00:21.11 | kelvie_work | if the order numbers do increase by one :P |
| 00:21.34 | SpeedEvil | My cunning plan is really to get someone in the know to contradict e. |
| 00:21.40 | ieatlint | plus group orders are 1 order number |
| 00:21.48 | xzcvczx | lol dw found it |
| 00:22.12 | Haproli | http://youtube.com/watch?v=k-qu_jy-HuA ANybody knows what image this one is running ? |
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| 00:23.13 | Haproli | It looks different then what I am running |
| 00:23.35 | roh | SpeedEvil where does that graph get its data from? |
| 00:23.51 | chillywilly | which UI toolkit does openmoko use? |
| 00:24.03 | kelvie_work | roh the number remaining according to the web store |
| 00:24.07 | SpeedEvil | roh: Simply whenever I happen to click 'reload' on my shopping basket with several hundred freerunners in, and bother typing it in. |
| 00:24.08 | kelvie_work | when you type a big number into the cart |
| 00:24.23 | nullpuppy | chillywilly: shipping is gtk+, asu and the future will be qtopia |
| 00:24.29 | nullpuppy | but support for gtk+ will still exist |
| 00:24.37 | chillywilly | ok |
| 00:24.49 | roh | SpeedEvil eheh |
| 00:26.30 | mjr | nullpuppy, the "future" is quite uncertain |
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| 00:27.19 | roh | the only thing thats certain is that om does not force any toolkit to be 'the one' since we understand that its futile and always app and developer dependant whats best |
| 00:27.36 | SpeedEvil | The future is HURD! |
| 00:27.44 | mjr | SpeedEvil, YESSS |
| 00:27.49 | SpeedEvil | goes and eats lemon curd. |
| 00:27.57 | mjr | lemon curry? |
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| 00:28.04 | chillywilly | heh |
| 00:28.09 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 00:28.13 | chillywilly | HURD is still alive and kicking |
| 00:28.15 | chillywilly | ;P |
| 00:28.15 | mjr | my mistake |
| 00:28.25 | chillywilly | or is that comatose... |
| 00:28.39 | SpeedEvil | mjr: /me tries to remember the recipie. |
| 00:28.50 | weatherhead | sooo, anoyone here from the UK and has a freerunner? |
| 00:29.35 | SpeedEvil | mjr: something like cornflour, and egg, and lemon juice, cooked while stirring to get something like a thick smooth lemon gravy. |
| 00:29.50 | SpeedEvil | mk: And sugar. An alternative to jam. |
| 00:30.15 | nullpuppy | haha, that'd be awesome |
| 00:30.34 | nullpuppy | we should totally try and get hurd running on the fr |
| 00:30.40 | SpeedEvil | gravy is probably the wrong term. |
| 00:31.01 | mjr | or minix 3 \o/ |
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| 00:32.51 | edistar | how many people are reporting issues with gps in the gta02 btw? |
| 00:34.33 | SpeedEvil | I think at least 3-4 people have come in here and said they've had probles. |
| 00:34.43 | SpeedEvil | At least a couple seem to have perseisted. |
| 00:34.44 | edistar | ok, me too :/ |
| 00:34.51 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 00:35.14 | SpeedEvil | You get the malformed NMEA from ttySAC1, and no position even outdoors? |
| 00:35.39 | edistar | SpeedEvil: I get no position outdoors after 20 minutes of standing on a hill with nothing but grass and sheep aroung me |
| 00:35.40 | SpeedEvil | outdoors for >15 in |
| 00:35.42 | edistar | *around |
| 00:36.10 | edistar | SpeedEvil: yesterday I went for a walk, 2h through the woods and got no fix either, not even one satellite |
| 00:36.11 | SpeedEvil | If there was lots of silk around, rubbing silk on wool can cause static. |
| 00:36.27 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 00:36.34 | SpeedEvil | You get the output from the GPS - just no fix? |
| 00:36.39 | edistar | SpeedEvil: yes |
| 00:36.47 | edistar | SpeedEvil: I use the agpsui tool at the moment |
| 00:36.57 | edistar | SpeedEvil: I also get the UTC time after 10 minutes |
| 00:36.59 | SpeedEvil | IIRC ther eis a thread on community about it |
| 00:37.05 | edistar | other people get that after 10 seconds.. |
| 00:37.09 | SpeedEvil | That's odd. |
| 00:37.19 | SpeedEvil | It's picking up at least one satellite then. |
| 00:37.42 | SpeedEvil | you've looked at it with cat? |
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| 00:37.51 | edistar | my signal strength also never gets stronger than 150dbm |
| 00:37.59 | edistar | SpeedEvil: yes, to no avail |
| 00:39.18 | Haproli | WHoehoew Finaly got wifi working |
| 00:39.28 | Haproli | Only took a kernel flash |
| 00:39.29 | edistar | SpeedEvil: I'll just have to wait and see |
| 00:39.59 | SpeedEvil | edistar: posted to community? |
| 00:40.08 | SpeedEvil | edistar: you EU? |
| 00:40.32 | edistar | SpeedEvil: yes, EU.. .nl in fact |
| 00:40.33 | SpeedEvil | I mean - do youhave to hurry to return within the 14 days if it's broken. |
| 00:40.33 | edistar | at the moment |
| 00:40.53 | SpeedEvil | Sorry, I think you've said that before. |
| 00:40.53 | edistar | SpeedEvil: no, I have 2 years ;) |
| 00:41.04 | SpeedEvil | suffers from parity errors. |
| 00:41.21 | mmontour | edistar: did you hold the antenna pointing toward the sky? Also, were you using any of the other RF subsystems (BT/WiFi/GSM) at the same time? (they shouldn't interfere with GPS, but it's another possibility to test) |
| 00:41.38 | edistar | mmontour: I deactivated everything elsde |
| 00:41.53 | edistar | mmontour: how do I have to hold it so it points towards the sky? I held it upright |
| 00:42.35 | mmontour | The antenna is at the top of the device, so holding it upright is correct. |
| 00:42.38 | SpeedEvil | Hole-down? |
| 00:42.38 | SpeedEvil | that's right. |
| 00:43.01 | edistar | yes, exactly |
| 00:44.21 | SpeedEvil | edistar: have you tried dissasembling it, and replugging hte antenna cable? |
| 00:44.49 | edistar | SpeedEvil: no, haven't got a torx screwdriver here.. |
| 00:45.34 | SpeedEvil | It'd be interesting to report behaviour with the GPS antenna unplugged. |
| 00:46.14 | Haproli | SpeedEvil: Where can you buy such antennas? |
| 00:46.24 | Haproli | is it like a standard or smth |
| 00:46.25 | SpeedEvil | Haproli: the internal antenna I mean. |
| 00:46.31 | SpeedEvil | Yes |
| 00:46.31 | SpeedEvil | hang on |
| 00:46.32 | aevin | is the signalstrength listed anywhere when GPGSV reports 0 sats? |
| 00:46.33 | Haproli | ow k |
| 00:46.56 | SpeedEvil | aevin: no. |
| 00:48.41 | aevin | okay. i better do some more gps testing tomorrow, to verify if it works or not. i haven't gotten any sats/fix yet, but I haven't really tested it in under clear sky, only close to window. |
| 00:49.06 | edistar | aevin: should work too |
| 00:49.14 | edistar | aevin: a chap in germany gets 9 sats inside! |
| 00:49.39 | SpeedEvil | edistar: houses _VARY_. |
| 00:49.39 | aevin | he's probably under surveillance of some sort :-P |
| 00:49.52 | SpeedEvil | edistar: some windows are basically opaque to GPS. |
| 00:50.20 | SpeedEvil | edistar: and I' reterofitting my house with what is essentially a continuous metal shield. |
| 00:50.27 | SpeedEvil | (for a vapour barrier for insulation) |
| 00:50.44 | edistar | SpeedEvil: I'm in a very old house.. I suppose the signals should float through everything here.. |
| 00:51.09 | edistar | SpeedEvil: what? do you still get gsm signals through? :P |
| 00:51.19 | SpeedEvil | edistar: my walls are 50cm stone. |
| 00:51.33 | SpeedEvil | edistar: yes - though 900MHz works better |
| 00:51.35 | edistar | SpeedEvil: okey.. |
| 00:51.36 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5303 - GPS ant |
| 00:51.52 | SpeedEvil | though that's the wrong connector |
| 00:52.20 | edistar | josch has been so kind to lend me his external gps antenna, it will arrive tomorrow.. I'll do some testing if the gps chip itself works at all |
| 00:52.25 | Haproli | thanks |
| 00:54.01 | kelvie_work | dealextreme's an awesome site |
| 00:54.43 | Haproli | worldwide free shipping |
| 00:54.57 | Haproli | that's cool |
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| 00:57.57 | xzcvczx | edistar: my guess that guy in germany lives in a cardboard box in the middle of a field :P |
| 00:58.22 | edistar | xzcvczx: maybe, yes ;) |
| 00:58.58 | ebbe | Nice one xzcvczx :) |
| 00:59.10 | Haproli | Upgrading kernel-image-2.6.24 seems to hang at 90% with opkg upgrade |
| 00:59.16 | Dave | eh oh |
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| 01:05.06 | roh | ebbe your key seems to be gotten updated now |
| 01:05.31 | ebbe | roh: Excellent. It has :) |
| 01:05.34 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.38 | roh | this planet is freaky |
| 01:06.34 | roh | eh projects.. (the planet as in earth too) |
| 01:07.31 | ebbe | roh: You sound like you need a break ;) |
| 01:09.17 | roh | sometimes yes |
| 01:10.01 | ebbe | But thanks for keeping an eye on me key |
| 01:10.13 | ebbe | s/me/my/ |
| 01:10.25 | ebbe | (I'm not irish).. |
| 01:10.36 | roh | ebbe the ssh was still open when i came by the window ;) and its good to know when the next one asks |
| 01:15.26 | xzcvczx | good ol' debian's small mistake |
| 01:17.48 | wastrel | debian |
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| 01:29.23 | nullpuppy | so.. phones are being shipped. dunno on actual eta, and i still haven't gotten a tracking number, but according to message on the -community ml issues have been resolved and stuff has been prepared for UPS pickup. |
| 01:33.45 | swc|666 | i'll believe it when i get a tracking # |
| 01:33.52 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 01:33.52 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 01:34.26 | nullpuppy | i'm trying really hard to be patient and just let it happen. |
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| 01:43.14 | Dave | :D |
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| 01:57.17 | alphabeat | :D |
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| 02:03.46 | Haproli | sleep |
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| 02:08.16 | rivalarrival | I'm waiting for my tracking number too. |
| 02:08.54 | SirBob1701 | wish i paid for faster shipping lol |
| 02:09.46 | rivalarrival | I figured with the initial launch, it wouldn't really matter. |
| 02:10.15 | SirBob1701 | rivalarrival: why you say that? |
| 02:10.25 | CVirus | HAI |
| 02:10.30 | CVirus | CAN I HAS FREERUNNR |
| 02:10.39 | CVirus | :-p |
| 02:11.09 | _jr | all base are belong to us |
| 02:11.12 | rivalarrival | I just figured that when I read the "you can buy it on the 4th" at 0200 local time on the 4th, and the european models were already sold out... |
| 02:11.27 | SirBob1701 | oo |
| 02:11.28 | rivalarrival | The shipping department would be pretty backlogged |
| 02:11.55 | CVirus | the EU models were sold out or they weren't there in the first place ? |
| 02:12.15 | rivalarrival | the order form claimed they were sold out... |
| 02:12.27 | CVirus | What did steve say about it ? |
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| 02:13.00 | rivalarrival | Hey, it was 2AM when I read it - I wasn't thinking too clearly anyway... |
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| 02:22.36 | linuxxr | calm down calm down |
| 02:27.01 | linuxxr | no track #yet |
| 02:28.30 | Arg0naut | linuxxr: what order number do you have? |
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| 02:30.24 | Dave | :) |
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| 02:58.07 | rtm | Has anyone heard if *anyone* received confirmation today that their order from the Openmoko online store was shipped? |
| 02:59.17 | swc|666 | nope :/ |
| 02:59.42 | rtm | Rats! |
| 03:05.06 | Dave | Gerbils! |
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| 03:06.21 | macdonalder | Possums? |
| 03:06.32 | rivalarrival | Still waiting on mine. |
| 03:07.42 | rivalarrival | I've got the initial order confirmation, but nothing indicating if/when it was shipped. |
| 03:07.59 | wastrel | new phone new phone new phone. |
| 03:08.07 | wastrel | is this thing going to replace my palm pda? |
| 03:08.45 | rtm | steve@openmoko said on the community list that "The shipping folks started to put together packages for UPS to pick up.", but he doesn't actually say any were shipped. |
| 03:08.48 | rivalarrival | This thing is going to replace your palm, your pocket pc, your laptop PC, your desktop PC, and your console gaming platforms. |
| 03:09.32 | rivalarrival | Ok, well, maybe not all of those, but at least the first two, and in my case, the third as well. |
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| 03:11.06 | wastrel | do i have to get a pocket pc first? |
| 03:12.11 | rivalarrival | wastrel: Only if you want it replaced. |
| 03:12.28 | nullpuppy | since no one has gotten tracking numbers or ship confirmations, i don't think anything actually shipped today :/ |
| 03:12.31 | rivalarrival | It's kinda hard to replace something you don't actually have. |
| 03:13.14 | rivalarrival | Come on, openmoko, gimmegimmegimmegimmegimme! |
| 03:13.24 | linuxxr | 2039 |
| 03:13.48 | linuxxr | that would be correct |
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| 03:14.30 | Arg0naut | rtm: his subject was "Phones are headed out of fremont CA." i'm hoping, ups is just slow giving out the tracking numbers |
| 03:15.05 | nullpuppy | hmm, good point :/ |
| 03:15.17 | nullpuppy | well hopefully some shipped then. |
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| 03:16.00 | ewon | any word on the vid hardware in the freerunner? |
| 03:16.08 | nullpuppy | glamo |
| 03:16.09 | ewon | any hope of a opengl ES implementation? |
| 03:16.17 | nullpuppy | if you want to implement it |
| 03:16.22 | ewon | hah |
| 03:16.26 | nullpuppy | not being done officially |
| 03:16.31 | ewon | alas, I'm a games dev |
| 03:16.37 | ewon | hence anything I do is owned by The Company |
| 03:16.41 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 03:16.45 | nullpuppy | aww |
| 03:16.47 | nullpuppy | that sucks |
| 03:16.51 | nullpuppy | what company? |
| 03:17.06 | ewon | I work for a studio owned by Activision |
| 03:17.34 | nullpuppy | ah, cool |
| 03:18.01 | cjb | ewon: oh, I know one of your coworkers :) |
| 03:18.16 | ewon | Activision owns many studios :) |
| 03:18.37 | xzcvczx | would laugh if ewon was the coworker you knew lol |
| 03:18.50 | doc|home | macdonalder: You've just purchased this: 1x Neo FreeRunner - GSM 850-10 Pack, 1x DBoard :D |
| 03:18.52 | nullpuppy | i'm slowly working towards getting into the game dev world. still undecided what i really want to end up doing though |
| 03:20.03 | Arg0naut | :doc|home: congrats |
| 03:21.57 | doc|home | :) |
| 03:22.15 | doc|home | my credit card is now $4000 lighter :( |
| 03:22.24 | doc|home | it was nice having that there for all of about 12 hours :( |
| 03:22.55 | nullpuppy | :( |
| 03:23.07 | nullpuppy | needs to get his CC's back down to that point |
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| 03:24.01 | doc|home | nullpuppy: heh, I put the money on first :) |
| 03:25.25 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 03:28.55 | wastrel | meh |
| 03:32.22 | doc|home | meh? |
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| 03:34.24 | Arg0naut | i'm giving ups 30 more min before going to bed |
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| 03:35.48 | rtm | Arg0naut - I don't think we'll hear anything today. |
| 03:36.30 | rtm | I don't think it takes hours for UPS to fire off a tracking number. |
| 03:38.12 | linuxxr | hajha |
| 03:38.13 | Arg0naut | if there anything like purolator, and fedex, it wouldn't surprise me |
| 03:38.36 | doc|home | Arg0naut: they're far worse than those :( |
| 03:38.43 | linuxxr | so im thinking 4 days from tomorrow |
| 03:39.01 | linuxxr | to arkansas |
| 03:40.06 | macdonalder | doc|home: yup, got the email, thanks :D |
| 03:40.26 | nullpuppy | yeah, i'm expecting monday now :/ was hoping thursday or friday |
| 03:40.36 | doc|home | macdonalder: heh, I sent that after I mentioned it here :) |
| 03:40.46 | macdonalder | either way |
| 03:42.13 | linuxxr | so when we get this device do we need to reflash for some good reason or will it operate ok |
| 03:42.42 | doc|home | linuxxr: one person here mentioned he couldn't get wpa support until after he flashed it |
| 03:42.42 | linuxxr | or following the getting started with freerunner |
| 03:42.52 | doc|home | linuxxr: in any case, newer software = better |
| 03:43.15 | nullpuppy | i *think* calling and sms should work out of the box, but not much else |
| 03:43.16 | linuxxr | so it has 2007.2 on it or what? |
| 03:43.20 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 03:43.44 | sitwon | ok, so I figure from the name that the "dialer" allows you to make calls. Can you recieve calls? |
| 03:43.50 | linuxxr | so the asu is april this year? |
| 03:43.56 | nullpuppy | is probably gonna put FSO on his and work on try and get sms working on it |
| 03:44.10 | nullpuppy | linuxxr: afaik, yeah |
| 03:44.25 | nullpuppy | sitwon: i believe so. that'd be a pretty crappy phone if it couldn't do that ;) |
| 03:44.27 | doc|home | is going to gush over his and dribble a little :o |
| 03:44.34 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 03:44.35 | linuxxr | its better than 2007.2? |
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| 03:44.56 | nullpuppy | FSO has stable calling, thats about it, and slightly better battery life |
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| 03:45.07 | sitwon | nullpuppy: I agree, but I believe it's still considered a work in progress |
| 03:45.13 | nullpuppy | sitwon: correct |
| 03:45.56 | nullpuppy | milestone 1 has been reached from what i've heard, and that was just getting reliable calling to work. dunno what works beyond that |
| 03:46.13 | nullpuppy | hmm, i need some dinner |
| 03:46.16 | nullpuppy | ponders |
| 03:46.18 | doc|home | they're all works in progress :/ |
| 03:46.43 | nullpuppy | yeah, i'm ok with that though. my only complaint is the battery life really |
| 03:47.11 | doc|home | same |
| 03:47.20 | nullpuppy | would like at least 48hrs standby, prefebly 6+ days |
| 03:47.26 | doc|home | qtopia looks pretty |
| 03:47.30 | doc|home | nullpuppy: aye |
| 03:47.46 | doc|home | actually, add in a webkit browser and I'm happy |
| 03:47.54 | nullpuppy | i didn't like the qtopia build i ran in qemu :) it looked ugly and buggy, granted, that was a daily build.... |
| 03:47.57 | doc|home | oh, and pdf viewer and mail client :P |
| 03:47.57 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 03:47.59 | linuxxr | is it opera? |
| 03:48.00 | peh | doc|home: there's a webkit browser, isn't there? |
| 03:48.02 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 03:48.12 | doc|home | peh: maybe on one of them, but who knows which one :/ |
| 03:48.19 | peh | hm |
| 03:48.19 | nullpuppy | pdf viewer would be awesome |
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| 03:48.25 | linuxxr | lynx |
| 03:48.26 | doc|home | hasn't wanted to play with anything, saving it for when the hardware arrives |
| 03:48.29 | doc|home | linuxxr: pffft |
| 03:48.34 | linuxxr | lol' |
| 03:48.35 | nullpuppy | that and a google calendar sync tool ;) |
| 03:48.37 | doc|home | 300 dpi porn ftw |
| 03:48.39 | peh | I've ordered one too! :D |
| 03:48.41 | doc|home | :) |
| 03:48.46 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 03:48.47 | peh | have to wait until August though :'( |
| 03:48.51 | linuxxr | links |
| 03:48.56 | doc|home | peh: ouch, eu? |
| 03:49.01 | peh | yup |
| 03:49.04 | doc|home | :/ |
| 03:49.07 | peh | should have pre-ordered :P |
| 03:49.16 | linuxxr | we did |
| 03:49.29 | BitWraith | I have one more stupid question I didn't ask you guys before... would any of you say that the FR is "usable" it it's present state? I saw some blog postings that said otherwise and it made me wonder. |
| 03:49.48 | nullpuppy | hrm, i think i'm gonna make some burgers, gotta run to the store first though... bbiaf |
| 03:49.55 | nullpuppy | BitWraith: it depends on what you mean by usable |
| 03:49.58 | doc|home | BitWraith: depends on your definition of usable really :/ |
| 03:50.01 | linuxxr | if we use it does that make it usable? |
| 03:50.22 | doc|home | BitWraith: if you go on long business trips, probably not. If you can get home and can charge every night, then it should be fine on some builds |
| 03:50.26 | linuxxr | quit whinin |
| 03:50.30 | BitWraith | there was talk that some systems, particularly power management ones, aren't ready for prime time |
| 03:50.34 | nullpuppy | if 6-12hrs battery life and the ability to make phone calls and sms semi-reliably is usable, then yes ;) |
| 03:50.39 | doc|home | who's whinin |
| 03:50.40 | doc|home | ? |
| 03:50.53 | peh | BitWraith: I hope it is. I'm not getting rid of my Nokia cellphone just yet, though. If the battery life is as poor as they say it is, I'll use the Freerunner as a toy/pocket computer only, and not as a phone. At least not until the new powersaving software arrives. |
| 03:51.25 | peh | still couldn't resist ordering one. *drool* |
| 03:51.25 | Dave | What's poppin' peeps? |
| 03:51.31 | nullpuppy | i'm probably gonna switch back and forth between the fr and my razr |
| 03:51.37 | nullpuppy | anyways, food. bbiaf |
| 03:51.54 | BitWraith | the thing is, if I can't rely on it as my phone I might as well just stick with m zaurus... the ony things it has over the Z then are 3D accel and motion sensing. |
| 03:52.06 | peh | GPS! |
| 03:52.12 | cjb | .. which doesn't work very well :) |
| 03:52.19 | linuxxr | yet |
| 03:52.29 | peh | cjb: it doesn't? I saw some demos of tangoGPS and it looked pretty cool |
| 03:52.35 | sitwon | so long as I can get Kismet running on it... |
| 03:52.47 | cjb | peh: people who've received their FRs seem to be saying that it's taking 30 minutes to get a GPS lock, if it happens at all |
| 03:52.53 | peh | meh :/ |
| 03:53.02 | linuxxr | ebay me gta02 when the gta03 comes |
| 03:53.10 | sitwon | cjb is that a hardware issue or software issue? |
| 03:53.18 | cjb | sitwon: sounds like an antenna problem |
| 03:53.22 | Agrajag- | something must be really wrong if it's really taking 30 minutes |
| 03:53.35 | cjb | yeah, when you plug in an external antenna it works fine |
| 03:53.42 | rtm | It is sobering that nearly a year after the neo1973 went on sale, there is still not a software stack available that makes that unit or the Freerunning into a usable phone. |
| 03:53.56 | linuxxr | is that leaving it in 1 place or walking around |
| 03:54.07 | BitWraith | still, the zaurus isn't really "reliable" anymore either... all the developers went to work for the angstrom project... and angstrom sucks. I wish I still had a copy of openzaurus. :-/ |
| 03:54.22 | cjb | https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1542 |
| 03:54.37 | cjb | linuxxr: don't think it makes a difference |
| 03:56.59 | peh | has anybody tried 8GB microSDHC cards yet? |
| 03:57.25 | rtm | peh: I have one in my neo1973, and it works perfectly. |
| 03:57.31 | peh | wewt |
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| 04:00.23 | rtm | peh: My 8GB microSDHC is a Sandisk." |
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| 04:00.35 | peh | nods |
| 04:00.41 | peh | "Accept no substitute" :P |
| 04:00.46 | peh | anyway, they're dirt cheap now |
| 04:01.09 | chillywilly | what's FSO and asu? |
| 04:01.09 | rtm | $45 |
| 04:01.28 | chillywilly | too many acronyms that I have no idea wtf they mean ;P |
| 04:01.49 | ewon | apparently there is a usable build of Android for some HTC phones |
| 04:02.06 | ewon | pity you can't do feck all with Android besides those silly Java apps right now |
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| 04:04.41 | doc|home | ewon: howdy |
| 04:04.52 | doc|home | ewon: doc@ here |
| 04:05.08 | rtm | chillywilly: ASU = April Software Update. It is a stack with Qtopia applications, which does not follow the 2008 Software Architecture. |
| 04:05.11 | ewon | o/ |
| 04:05.14 | chillywilly | is there an issues list somewhere that states what works and what doesn't work so well with the phone? |
| 04:05.15 | doc|home | hehe |
| 04:05.20 | doc|home | ewon: still in Limerick? |
| 04:05.32 | ewon | doc|home: nein, working in LA this weather |
| 04:05.35 | doc|home | ewon: btw, it was the "feck all" that gave it away |
| 04:05.40 | ewon | :) |
| 04:05.45 | doc|home | ewon: nice, doing? |
| 04:06.04 | ewon | doc|home: games development, specifically network stack stuff |
| 04:06.11 | ewon | what you up to these days? |
| 04:06.32 | rtm | chillywilly: FSO = FreeSmartphone.Org stack. It's a bare-bones stack which does follow the 2008 Software Architecture. |
| 04:06.45 | doc|home | nice, I'm in Vancouver in Canada, doing web dev for a music download/sales (and other stuff under NDA) site |
| 04:07.07 | chillywilly | rtm: thanks |
| 04:10.57 | ewon | doc|home: good stuff |
| 04:12.57 | macdonalder | doc|home: www.insound.com |
| 04:12.58 | macdonalder | :D |
| 04:14.23 | macdonalder | I just remembered another feature of theirs I like; a mailing list where they send you the 'mp3 of the week' for a featured artist |
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| 04:24.12 | doc|home | macdonalder: thanks for the reminder, was thinking of the site today but my brain was fried :) |
| 04:25.22 | macdonalder | no problem... I got an promo email from them today and remembered; they've got re-release of Siamese Dream on vinyl I'm thinking of getting :) |
| 04:25.58 | tessier | waits for tracking info on his phone |
| 04:26.14 | tessier | I paid extra for 3 day shipping. I'll be annoyed if this turns into an OLPC XO like logistical fiasco. :) |
| 04:26.20 | doc|home | macdonalder: hehe |
| 04:26.39 | doc|home | tessier: might take a little while before they actually getting around to packaging though |
| 04:26.46 | doc|home | lots of orders :) |
| 04:27.31 | linuxxr | cardboard boxes out the yingyang |
| 04:28.45 | linuxxr | dont forget the extra goodies for us test monkies |
| 04:29.21 | linuxxr | so is fso in line with the new framework? |
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| 04:42.25 | macdonalder | for the curious: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/open-moko-software.ars |
| 04:42.34 | macdonalder | waves to seg|ars |
| 04:42.46 | seg|ars | hey |
| 04:42.55 | seg|ars | I was wondering how long it would take for somebody in here to notice. :-) |
| 04:43.03 | seg|ars | that was pretty fast |
| 04:43.07 | macdonalder | I read ars pretty regularly |
| 04:43.12 | seg|ars | that's cool |
| 04:43.40 | macdonalder | yup, I enjoy it, your work included ;) |
| 04:43.47 | seg|ars | thanks! |
| 04:51.17 | daMaestro | seg|ars, yes, good work |
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| 04:54.51 | seg|ars | daMaestro: thanks! |
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| 04:55.34 | seg|ars | It was a really interesting article to write. My original plan was to make it only about 700 words, but I got really wrapped up in it |
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| 04:57.06 | nullpuppy | reads |
| 04:57.41 | alphabea1 | reads |
| 05:00.49 | alphabea1 | damn that's long. how many words seg|ars? |
| 05:01.01 | seg|ars | it ended up being about 2500 I think |
| 05:01.13 | CM | makes sure it's in the wiki |
| 05:02.45 | macdonalder | seg|ars: it's good though, and immediately hits on what I too have found to be both the most confusing and liberating; the abudance of choice |
| 05:04.15 | seg|ars | yeah, that's definitely a central characteristic of the platform |
| 05:04.25 | seg|ars | it makes it feel a lot like desktop linux in many ways |
| 05:04.30 | CM | seg|ars: Heh, ars is the first entry for almost every month: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Press_Coverage |
| 05:04.43 | seg|ars | haha that's awesome |
| 05:04.58 | alphabea1 | CM: was just checking the same thing ;) |
| 05:05.43 | macdonalder | which makes complete sense for an open source project, it's simply that there aren't that many commercially available products that offer the same amount of flexibility (the neuros comes to mind) and yes, exactly, just like desktop linux it feels as though it will be a constant work in progress (for better or worse) ;) |
| 05:07.24 | seg|ars | I think that the diversity will be a strength as long as the FSO d-bus stuff delivers on its potential |
| 05:07.49 | swc|666 | i'm kinda diasappointed in not seeing more people using debian armel on the FR |
| 05:08.50 | CM | seg|ars: Maybe you could talk to mickyl about FSO some time? :) |
| 05:08.51 | nullpuppy | seg|ars: awesome write up. |
| 05:09.15 | seg|ars | nullpuppy: thanks! |
| 05:09.20 | seg|ars | CM: that's probably a good idea |
| 05:09.42 | seg|ars | I've been seeing a lot of very strong interest in OpenMoko from the readers |
| 05:09.50 | CM | Nice |
| 05:09.50 | seg|ars | so I think my editors will be happy to have more material about it |
| 05:10.12 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 05:10.30 | CM | wonders who will write a blogpost on planet.openmoko.org first about the press coverage |
| 05:10.48 | nullpuppy | yeah, theres a TON of potential in this project, and from the activity here and in the mailing lists, i'm very optimistic. |
| 05:11.14 | nullpuppy | awesome seeing the internel devs communicate via the public lists |
| 05:11.38 | CM | nullpuppy: Yeah, it's been fun reading the devel list lately :) |
| 05:11.42 | seg|ars | yeah, it seems like the development process has been very transparent |
| 05:12.08 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 05:14.02 | nullpuppy | i think we really need to get some organization behind updating the wiki. there's a lot of stuff there that is in desperate need of updating, either because it's out of date, or just incomplete |
| 05:14.13 | seg|ars | definitely |
| 05:14.37 | alphabea1 | isn't that Wanda's job? |
| 05:14.40 | seg|ars | when I first started messing with the qemu stuff, I was looking at the instructions for setting it up on ubuntu, and it's really, really outdated |
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| 05:15.22 | nullpuppy | yeah, and the instructions for qemu itself are a little lacking, especially for playing with the freerunner stuff |
| 05:16.06 | seg|ars | it would be nice if there was a way to have a plug-and-play vmware player image or something like that |
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| 05:16.13 | seg|ars | I don't know how feasible that is technically though |
| 05:16.20 | sontek | when I purchase the phone, does it come with the developer kit |
| 05:16.30 | sontek | so I can build apps for it and flash it when I brick it? |
| 05:16.48 | nullpuppy | nope |
| 05:16.54 | CM | sontek: Good thing is that you can't brick it |
| 05:16.57 | nullpuppy | and unless you eff up the NOR flash, you're fine |
| 05:17.21 | nullpuppy | and since you can't change the NOR without the dboard, you're peachy |
| 05:17.47 | sontek | So how do I test out the ASU stack |
| 05:17.55 | sontek | do I need the board? |
| 05:17.56 | CM | bricked his GTA01 once and it was a pain to fix |
| 05:18.04 | CM | sontek: Just usb :) |
| 05:18.12 | nullpuppy | seg|ars: given the toolchain is based around linux, that shouldn't be difficult really. just a matter of figuring out what to base it on |
| 05:18.16 | nullpuppy | and a way to keep it up to date |
| 05:18.19 | CM | And a small downloadable tool to flash it. Look in the wiki |
| 05:18.24 | sontek | :) |
| 05:18.32 | sontek | i'm going to order one right now then :P |
| 05:18.38 | seg|ars | haha |
| 05:18.45 | CM | It's really easy |
| 05:18.50 | nullpuppy | you flash via usb using the NAND flash, the NOR flash is there as a read only fail safe |
| 05:18.51 | seg|ars | sontek: so did my article contribute to that decision? ;-) |
| 05:19.47 | sontek | seg|ars: It helped =) |
| 05:19.55 | seg|ars | nice |
| 05:19.58 | sontek | seg|ars: I've been on the fence about it |
| 05:20.11 | seg|ars | you and like half the other people in my twitter network |
| 05:20.22 | sontek | seg|ars: the one thing I've been worried about is battery life, and since you don't have a phone you didn't touch on that yet |
| 05:20.28 | seg|ars | yeah |
| 05:20.35 | seg|ars | I've been wondering about that too |
| 05:20.41 | sontek | seg|ars: My friend Tim has the first revision one and its battery life is horrid |
| 05:20.56 | CM | Yes, it's bad, but it has gotten better |
| 05:21.18 | CM | Seems like suspend/resume is finally working properly, but i haven't tried the latest kernel myself yet |
| 05:21.55 | seg|ars | I figure that if you adjust the screen backlighting and don't use the gps, it will probably be fine |
| 05:22.04 | seg|ars | but I'm looking forward to doing tests |
| 05:22.11 | sontek | so whats with Nokia, their whole maemo stack is GTK but then they buy symbian and and Qtopia? |
| 05:22.23 | seg|ars | they are covering all their bases |
| 05:22.54 | sontek | The GPS is a feature i'm looking forward to, My gf is a environmental and geography major and wants to do some GIS work |
| 05:23.11 | sontek | so I was thinking with the openmoko we could keep track of points we hit and map them when we get back |
| 05:23.19 | seg|ars | that's cool |
| 05:23.23 | ljp | cross platform. hey want people to be able to write once and easily run on symbian/maemo/desktop |
| 05:23.25 | seg|ars | I wonder if any of that open streetmap stuff has been ported over yet |
| 05:23.36 | CM | seg|ars: Btw, there's been some discussions here and on the ml about a community openmoko distribution using FSO and gtk programs from the 2007.2 release |
| 05:23.50 | seg|ars | that would be really cool |
| 05:24.06 | seg|ars | I happen to really like the 2007.2 stack |
| 05:24.16 | seg|ars | I generally prefer GTK+ for my own development stuff |
| 05:24.16 | CM | Because the gsm stuff in fso is working best so far, but a lot of people like that gtk stack |
| 05:24.21 | CM | nods |
| 05:24.23 | seg|ars | yeah |
| 05:24.39 | CM | wurp2|away is one of them iirc |
| 05:24.43 | sontek | My main reason for buying the moko will be to develop GTK apps and improve that stack |
| 05:25.16 | CM | seg|ars: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 05:25.16 | seg|ars | I really like the idea of being able to make pygtk apps that will work on both the openmoko and nokia tablets |
| 05:25.30 | sontek | i'm going to port mono to it :) |
| 05:25.34 | seg|ars | nice |
| 05:25.45 | seg|ars | did you see the iphone mono port? |
| 05:25.46 | sontek | some work was done on the earlier version |
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| 05:25.56 | sontek | yeah, kangaroo is a crazy mac guy :P |
| 05:26.01 | CM | sontek: I think henryk in #oe has mono running on it last year |
| 05:26.13 | sontek | CM: yeah, he was on the ml talking about it |
| 05:26.14 | CM | It was a bit slow to start up apps, but it works |
| 05:26.16 | sontek | but I haven't seen much since |
| 05:26.21 | CM | Me neither |
| 05:26.34 | CM | mickeyl likes vala, and it looks quite good to me too |
| 05:26.42 | sontek | yeah, thats always the case with mono, its gotta do the JIT compilation at launch |
| 05:26.47 | bobkare | seg|ars: A few osm things are beginning to show up, like http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Rana |
| 05:26.49 | sontek | but there are ways to skip JIT |
| 05:26.54 | sontek | to make it faster |
| 05:27.03 | sontek | using AOT |
| 05:27.04 | bobkare | (though that's not quite ready yet) |
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| 05:27.19 | seg|ars | bobkare: oh that looks cool. I could probably even hack on that |
| 05:27.36 | bobkare | I think it's designed to be really hackable |
| 05:27.55 | bobkare | Also for doing data collection right away tangogps works |
| 05:28.04 | sontek | is there a dbus interface to the GPS system? |
| 05:28.24 | sontek | seg|ars: how long till gwibber is running on it? |
| 05:28.39 | seg|ars | I've been waiting on pywebkitgtk |
| 05:29.01 | bobkare | Hm, doesn't gpsd have a dbus interface? |
| 05:29.32 | seg|ars | sontek: there were some people looking at getting the webkit gtk port working on it. When they get that done, I'll talk to the python binding guy and see if I can figure out how to get it working too |
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| 05:30.53 | sontek | so is the ASU stack going to be pushed before FSO is done? |
| 05:30.59 | sontek | will GTK apps still work well in it? |
| 05:32.32 | seg|ars | ah found the pywebkitgtk bug report: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3028 |
| 05:32.39 | seg|ars | that's what I need done before I can port gwibber |
| 05:34.59 | sontek | I bought it :) |
| 05:35.04 | seg|ars | sontek: the asu stack is all x11, so there is no reason why GTK+ wouldn't work on it |
| 05:35.27 | seg|ars | the problem, as I understand it, is that the phone stuff on ASU will only be accessible to Qt apps until FSO is in place |
| 05:35.39 | CM | sontek: Good choice :) |
| 05:36.12 | sontek | seg|ars: only calling/SMS stuff? or wont be able to access the Internet or anything? |
| 05:36.25 | seg|ars | that I'm not sure about |
| 05:36.43 | seg|ars | I couldn't get an internet connection at all with ASU in the qemu environment |
| 05:36.59 | CM | I think it's only the gsm and pim stuff |
| 05:37.10 | CM | Net should work as usually |
| 05:37.27 | sontek | I'd love to port Tomboy to it, we have it running on maemo |
| 05:37.32 | seg|ars | oh nice |
| 05:37.39 | seg|ars | I didn't know that had been ported to maemo |
| 05:37.49 | seg|ars | are there packages for that somewhere? |
| 05:37.53 | seg|ars | and does it work with syncing? |
| 05:38.23 | seg|ars | it would be really cool to be able to take my tomboy notes with me on my internet tablet |
| 05:38.52 | sontek | http://code.google.com/p/tomboy-maemo/ |
| 05:38.56 | seg|ars | thanks |
| 05:39.09 | nullpuppy | ooh, yeah, that'd be nice |
| 05:39.16 | sontek | I'm not sure if syncing worked well on maemo ( I don't have n810 ) |
| 05:39.17 | nullpuppy | sync tomboy between desktop, laptop and phone |
| 05:39.23 | sontek | but i'll make sure it works on the moko |
| 05:39.31 | sontek | I'll have mine 2nd day air am :P |
| 05:39.34 | seg|ars | nice |
| 05:39.45 | swc|666 | 2nd day air is the same as ground |
| 05:39.54 | swc|666 | unless u order nda |
| 05:40.10 | nullpuppy | huh? |
| 05:40.27 | sontek | ground usually takes 3-5 depending on where its coming from |
| 05:40.36 | swc|666 | u know what else is a bit sad, is that UPS offers split shipping for the same price on orders of (i.e.) 10 packs :/ |
| 05:41.09 | sontek | i'm excited to play with it now =) I should've just did next day :P |
| 05:41.24 | sontek | seg|ars: I blame you for the whole in my wallet |
| 05:41.32 | seg|ars | lol |
| 05:41.40 | nullpuppy | yeah, i wish i did something other than ground now, since with the way things are going, i probably won't get mine til monday at this rate :/ |
| 05:42.12 | swc|666 | yeah it sucks |
| 05:42.13 | sontek | I want mine for the weekend :D |
| 05:42.18 | nullpuppy | me too |
| 05:42.25 | swc|666 | me 10 |
| 05:42.28 | nullpuppy | might still get it, but i doubt it. |
| 05:42.36 | sontek | seg|ars: are you getting one to do a full review ? |
| 05:42.49 | nullpuppy | if it doesn't leave tomorrow am, i won't have it before monday |
| 05:42.57 | seg|ars | sontek: yeah, they are going to send me a review unit |
| 05:43.03 | alphabea1 | you guys are lucky, the 900's haven't even been released et :( |
| 05:44.07 | sontek | What was the reason for not going quadband? |
| 05:44.19 | sontek | hard to support in open hardware? |
| 05:44.31 | swc|666 | to get us to buy gta03 :p |
| 05:44.34 | nullpuppy | early design decision |
| 05:44.44 | sontek | haha |
| 05:44.47 | nullpuppy | from the sounds of it, they didn't realize they could do quadband until too late |
| 05:45.00 | sontek | They are going to have to drop the price soon, they are lucky they have fanboys like us |
| 05:45.01 | seg|ars | I hope the next version of the hardware has 3g support |
| 05:45.07 | nullpuppy | and to change to quadband would have been a fairly large change, and thus further delay... |
| 05:45.14 | sontek | because that $199 3g iphone was tempting |
| 05:45.21 | nullpuppy | hehe, yeah |
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| 05:45.31 | sontek | I really wish beagle would stop trying to index my sshfs mounts |
| 05:45.42 | seg|ars | I hate that |
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| 05:46.39 | alphabea1 | i'm happy being an early adopter if it means funding further development down the track |
| 05:47.36 | nullpuppy | yup, that was half the reason i bought one. |
| 05:47.44 | nullpuppy | the other half being i want to dev on it |
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| 05:48.05 | sontek | yeah, I want to make sure GTK apps are 2nd class citizens on it |
| 05:48.17 | sontek | aren't* |
| 05:48.25 | nullpuppy | nods |
| 05:48.33 | rtm | sontek: That's better! |
| 05:48.41 | sontek | i'm going to work on porting Tomboy and probably help seg|ars port gwibber over |
| 05:48.47 | seg|ars | cool |
| 05:48.50 | nullpuppy | i'm leaning towards running some wierd FSO/ASU/om2007.2 setup |
| 05:49.06 | nullpuppy | probably aim to see if i can get sms to work on FSO |
| 05:49.09 | seg|ars | does the gtk+ stack have gconf? I didn't even check that |
| 05:49.37 | nullpuppy | though, after seeing seg|ars's screenshots, asu doesn't look so hideous (the image i played with in qemu didn't work well) |
| 05:49.53 | seg|ars | lol you tested something that looked worse than that? |
| 05:49.54 | alphabea1 | asu looks pretty sweet. it's got nice animation from what i've seen |
| 05:50.06 | seg|ars | the animation is good, but the artwork needs a ton of work |
| 05:50.14 | xzcvczx | lol to get the iphone 3g here for $199 you have to pay $250 per month for the plan and you only get like 1 gig data 600 texts and like 600 mins talktime or something |
| 05:50.18 | nullpuppy | seg|ars: no, what you have is about right, but it was slow as hell |
| 05:50.24 | alphabea1 | but.....there's boots! on the boot screen! i think that's awesome :P |
| 05:50.43 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 05:50.43 | alphabea1 | nullpuppy: have you seen this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 05:50.43 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 05:50.46 | lindi- | seg|ars: it seems to have |
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| 05:50.51 | xzcvczx | alphabea1: they just need it booting something |
| 05:50.56 | xzcvczx | like the neo |
| 05:51.10 | nullpuppy | alphabea1: i've seen it mentioned and looked at it briefly, not in detail thouhg |
| 05:51.14 | nullpuppy | looks again |
| 05:51.35 | sontek | xzcvczx: yeah, I have t-mobile, $50/month 1000 minutes, unlimited nights, weekends, unlimited text, and fave 5 |
| 05:52.13 | xzcvczx | sontek: yeah in this little crappy end of the earth we have no unlimited plans for anything |
| 05:52.15 | nullpuppy | is paying ~$200 a month w/ t-mobile (family plan w/ 3 phones) 2000 minutes, unlimited text, unlimited nights, weekends, etc |
| 05:52.22 | nullpuppy | no fave 5, but i could care less about that |
| 05:52.35 | nullpuppy | wait, 4 phones, not 3 |
| 05:53.01 | xzcvczx | for $50/month here you would get 20mins on peak 100 mins off peak and 600 texts with no data |
| 05:53.08 | sontek | I could go down to a 30 minute plan with my fave 5 |
| 05:53.21 | nullpuppy | xzcvczx: ouch :/ |
| 05:53.25 | sontek | I talk to my fave 5 over 1000 minutes a month, but outside them I order pizza and call 411 :P |
| 05:53.30 | xzcvczx | nullpuppy: indeed |
| 05:53.34 | nullpuppy | sontek: hehe |
| 05:53.43 | nullpuppy | thinks |
| 05:54.03 | nullpuppy | with unlimited mobile-mobile, and fave 5 i could probably do close to that |
| 05:54.17 | xzcvczx | i have what i believe you call fave is bestmates here and its $6 for unlimited calling texting and video calling |
| 05:54.42 | xzcvczx | and i have it hooked up to a voip gateway so unlimited landline calls pretty much around the world |
| 05:54.53 | seg|ars | video calling? |
| 05:54.56 | seg|ars | on a mobile phone? |
| 05:55.03 | sontek | are there any voip apps on the moko? |
| 05:55.05 | xzcvczx | yeah |
| 05:55.05 | sontek | that'd be nice =) |
| 05:55.12 | xzcvczx | sontek: that and LCR |
| 05:55.24 | nullpuppy | phonekit is in 2007.2 and ophoned is asu right? |
| 05:55.25 | seg|ars | xzcvczx: I have never seen a mobile phone that can do video calls. :-P |
| 05:55.31 | xzcvczx | sontek: but that would still require you to be in range of an openwifi/someone elses bluetooth |
| 05:55.44 | sontek | yeah |
| 05:55.49 | xzcvczx | seg|ars: most that have come out in the past 2-3 years can |
| 05:55.52 | sontek | I think 90% of the time i'm near wifi |
| 05:56.02 | seg|ars | xzcvczx: where are you located? |
| 05:56.04 | sontek | our public transportation as wifi |
| 05:56.17 | xzcvczx | sontek: no offence but i hate you |
| 05:56.18 | sontek | and everywhere else t-mobile has hotspots (in starbucks and airports) |
| 05:56.22 | xzcvczx | seg|ars: nz |
| 05:56.47 | sontek | xzcvczx: you might hate me because of wifi, but I hate you because nz is beautiful |
| 05:56.47 | nullpuppy | our public transit is slowly rolling out wifi |
| 05:57.03 | seg|ars | xzcvczx: it sounds like you pay a ton for service, but your country is more technologically advanced. Video calling is mythical here. |
| 05:57.04 | sontek | xzcvczx: I went sailing there in May |
| 05:57.08 | nullpuppy | sontek: where abouts are you? |
| 05:57.14 | sontek | nullpuppy: i'm in Utah |
| 05:57.21 | nullpuppy | ah, awesome |
| 05:57.30 | xzcvczx | sontek: wherebouts? |
| 05:58.59 | sontek | xzcvczx: we started in Auckland |
| 05:59.04 | nullpuppy | sighs |
| 05:59.06 | nullpuppy | I want my phone ;) |
| 05:59.23 | seg|ars | http://digg.com/linux_unix/First_Look_OpenMoko_s_Linux_based_open_smartphone_platform |
| 05:59.44 | sontek | seg|ars: dugg! |
| 05:59.47 | seg|ars | thanks! |
| 05:59.58 | alphabea1 | redditted? |
| 05:59.59 | seg|ars | if this one hits the front page of digg, it will be my fifth in a row |
| 06:00.10 | alphabea1 | do you get payed extra? |
| 06:00.34 | seg|ars | no |
| 06:00.41 | seg|ars | but I like competing with the other ars staff members |
| 06:00.41 | alphabea1 | damn |
| 06:00.46 | seg|ars | I kicked ass last month |
| 06:00.46 | alphabea1 | ah true |
| 06:01.09 | seg|ars | I had 13 on the front page of digg in june |
| 06:01.35 | sontek | aww, dig kills <blah> tags |
| 06:01.44 | sontek | I had my comment wrapped in <fanboy /> |
| 06:01.48 | seg|ars | lol |
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| 06:02.49 | nullpuppy | http://www.reddit.com/info/6qw1a/comments/ |
| 06:02.52 | nullpuppy | reddited! |
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| 06:03.26 | alphabea1 | nullpuppy maybe resubmit to the linux subreddit? |
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| 06:03.40 | nullpuppy | not a bad idea |
| 06:04.36 | nullpuppy | bah, 7 minutes :/ |
| 06:04.52 | alphabea1 | i can do it for you ;) |
| 06:04.56 | nullpuppy | k :) |
| 06:05.05 | alphabea1 | heh i was kidding. you can have the karma |
| 06:05.13 | nullpuppy | shrugs |
| 06:06.19 | alphabea1 | http://www.reddit.com/info/6qw1r/comments/ |
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| 06:07.31 | sontek | hmm.. 3g iphone add.. they need ratings on their ads! |
| 06:07.35 | sontek | *thumbs down* |
| 06:07.40 | seg|ars | lol |
| 06:07.49 | alphabea1 | is that on digg? |
| 06:08.49 | sontek | reddit |
| 06:09.52 | seg|ars | sontek: have you tried digg support in gwibber yet? |
| 06:10.35 | seg|ars | it's currently a bit mediocre, but I'm playing with some cool ideas for it |
| 06:10.47 | seg|ars | like showing the digg count in the bubble: http://cixar.com/~segphault/img/screenshots/applications/utilities/gwibber/wk_experiment1.png |
| 06:11.11 | nullpuppy | i need a high res openmoko log |
| 06:12.10 | sontek | seg|ars: thats cool =) |
| 06:12.17 | sontek | seg|ars: I've only used it for twitter and identi.ca so far |
| 06:12.24 | seg|ars | ah |
| 06:12.35 | seg|ars | the identi.ca functionality is still kind of a hack |
| 06:12.50 | sontek | yeah, they need to get an API |
| 06:13.00 | seg|ars | I was talking to evan about that tonight |
| 06:13.15 | seg|ars | he says that they just hired somebody to do the api implementation |
| 06:13.30 | seg|ars | I was also trying to talk him into setting up a standard path for user profile images |
| 06:13.36 | seg|ars | so I can include those properly in the client |
| 06:13.43 | sontek | yeah |
| 06:13.51 | sontek | I think his best bet is to just copy twitters |
| 06:13.58 | seg|ars | for the api? Yeah |
| 06:13.58 | sontek | then he gets the benefit of all twitter apps working for it |
| 06:14.05 | seg|ars | that's definitely his goal |
| 06:14.35 | seg|ars | the guy who makes the Spaz twitter client has already said that he would make it possible to use identi.ca if they clone the twitter api |
| 06:14.45 | seg|ars | and I think a lot of other client developers out there would do it too |
| 06:15.00 | seg|ars | Twhirl apparently has its own really weird thing though |
| 06:15.17 | seg|ars | like atom-enhanced xmpp or something I had not heard of before |
| 06:16.27 | sontek | pfft, nobody wants spaz when you have gwibber |
| 06:16.40 | seg|ars | haha except for maybe... windows users. ;-) |
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| 06:17.07 | rtm | What's qwibber? |
| 06:17.10 | seg|ars | I might make a qt frontend for gwibber just so I can port it to windows/os x |
| 06:17.29 | seg|ars | rtm: it's my microblogging client. It supports twitter, jaiku, facebook, pownce, and identi.ca |
| 06:17.47 | rtm | Thanks! |
| 06:18.44 | seg|ars | rtm: http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/2097/screenshot33xd9.png |
| 06:19.20 | rtm | It must be very new - google searches turn up virtually nothing about it. |
| 06:19.35 | seg|ars | it's my personal pet project. I haven't done an official release yet |
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| 06:20.03 | seg|ars | I started it so that I'd have a real-world project for testing the development technologies that I write about |
| 06:20.05 | seg|ars | and it kind of grew |
| 06:20.15 | bobkare | seg|ars: What's that on-screen keyboard in the last screenshot on the first page? is it some custom thing you've installed? I only have this numeric thing and no qwerty... |
| 06:20.43 | seg|ars | could it be something that's part of qemu maybe? |
| 06:20.53 | seg|ars | hmm maybe not |
| 06:21.04 | seg|ars | it's visibility toggles when I click the keyboard icon in the top bar |
| 06:21.09 | seg|ars | so I guess it's part of the platform |
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| 06:21.26 | seg|ars | I didn't do anything special to get it |
| 06:21.30 | seg|ars | it was just there |
| 06:22.01 | bobkare | weird, i've tested several images and never seen anything like it. the keyboard I have really sucks for terminal usage since there is for example no way to enter / |
| 06:22.15 | seg|ars | are you using qemu? |
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| 06:22.22 | seg|ars | or are you talking about on an actual device? |
| 06:22.23 | bobkare | no, I've gotten my freerunner |
| 06:22.58 | seg|ars | I'm pretty sure that all the 2007.2 images I tested had it |
| 06:23.37 | bkruse | anyone here have bitbake experience? |
| 06:23.51 | bkruse | why does my bitbake file always insist on checking out revision 1? (svn co -r 1 repo) |
| 06:24.00 | bobkare | Hm, must be something different about the qemu builds or something |
| 06:24.28 | nullpuppy | hmm, 2gb micro sd card w/ adapter on woot.com, for $6 |
| 06:24.35 | nullpuppy | (and $5 shipping) |
| 06:24.52 | swc|666 | nullpuppy: where? 0.o |
| 06:24.56 | nullpuppy | woot.com |
| 06:24.56 | bkruse | woot.com |
| 06:25.01 | bkruse | I need a good cheap usb stick... |
| 06:25.02 | swc|666 | lmao |
| 06:25.04 | nullpuppy | woot is awesome ;) |
| 06:25.15 | swc|666 | is that for real? |
| 06:25.18 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 06:25.22 | bkruse | nullpuppy: They know the neo was released, this is perfect before it (besides the fact it already comes with it) |
| 06:25.35 | nullpuppy | bkruse: yeah, but this is bigger ;) |
| 06:25.42 | nullpuppy | tempting... |
| 06:25.47 | bkruse | nope |
| 06:25.50 | nullpuppy | 2gb for $11 or 8gb for ~40 |
| 06:26.00 | nullpuppy | i thought the neo is shipping with 512mb |
| 06:26.01 | sontek | seg|ars: my only complaint about gwibber is launchpad + bzr |
| 06:26.03 | sontek | :P |
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| 06:26.12 | swc|666 | wow |
| 06:26.14 | swc|666 | w00t! |
| 06:26.21 | seg|ars | sontek: I was using trac before, and I consider launchpad an improvement in most ways |
| 06:26.28 | seg|ars | and I like bzr |
| 06:26.55 | seg|ars | I know it probably frustrates people who aren't on ubuntu |
| 06:27.14 | sontek | seg|ars: I prefer git over bzr, but more of because familiarity with it over bzr |
| 06:27.23 | seg|ars | ah |
| 06:27.24 | bkruse | <3 git |
| 06:27.33 | sontek | but lp just annoys me, its not very clean/organized |
| 06:27.50 | sontek | hmm, those 2gb micro sd's are tempting |
| 06:27.52 | seg|ars | it's definitely a bit cluttered |
| 06:28.03 | alphabea1 | anyone found out if 8db sdhc cards work yet? |
| 06:28.03 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 06:28.06 | seg|ars | my biggest complaint with launchpad is just that it's slow |
| 06:28.06 | alphabea1 | *8gb |
| 06:28.30 | cjb | seg|ars: what's your client written in? |
| 06:28.33 | rtm | I have an 8GB Sandisk in my neo1973. Works like a charm. |
| 06:28.36 | sontek | seg|ars: at work we use a combination of trac + git + svn |
| 06:28.39 | cjb | (looks great.) |
| 06:28.41 | alphabea1 | ah sweet thanks rtm |
| 06:28.47 | cjb | trac + git at work here. |
| 06:28.47 | seg|ars | cjb: thanks! It's python and gtk |
| 06:28.49 | sontek | seg|ars: all developers uses git personally and push to svn repo when done |
| 06:29.00 | cjb | seg|ars: ooh. you might think about an OLPC port. |
| 06:29.08 | seg|ars | cjb: that's a cool idea |
| 06:29.20 | seg|ars | sontek: svn is so braindead |
| 06:29.30 | seg|ars | sontek: now that I'm not using it anymore I can't believe I suffered with it for as long as I did |
| 06:29.38 | cjb | seg|ars: you can get the OLPC environment with {apt-get,yum} install sugar, and it's all python based, so pretty easy to develop for |
| 06:29.54 | seg|ars | cjb: yeah, I played around with some of the sugar python stuff once before |
| 06:30.04 | seg|ars | it seems like sugar is kind of on its way out at olpc though. :-( |
| 06:30.13 | cjb | actually, it's not at all |
| 06:30.19 | sontek | Didn't they announce olpc is going winxp? :( |
| 06:30.20 | cjb | and it really sucks that we gave people that impression |
| 06:30.29 | cjb | see e.g. http://gregdek.livejournal.com/31067.html , which just got posted today |
| 06:31.07 | seg|ars | cjb: man that's such a different story than what I get from olpc pr and from negroponte |
| 06:31.13 | cjb | there haven't actually been any Windows sales. when/if there are, they'll be dual-boot machines, not Windows only |
| 06:31.29 | cjb | seg|ars: yeah :( |
| 06:31.46 | cjb | we've actually doubled the size of the sugar team this year |
| 06:31.56 | cjb | it's crazy that we let people think we're ditching it :( |
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| 06:32.26 | seg|ars | it's good to hear that it's still going strong |
| 06:32.41 | seg|ars | I like a lot of things about sugar |
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| 06:32.56 | cjb | yeah, that's the important part. orders are going pretty well, we're writing good code. |
| 06:32.58 | seg|ars | and I'm hoping that it gets a broader audience beyond just olpc |
| 06:33.13 | seg|ars | as a journalist, watching the olpc stuff this past year has just been painful |
| 06:33.20 | seg|ars | like a trainwreck in slow motion |
| 06:33.22 | cjb | seg|ars: we had a push to get Sugar in fedora/ubuntu a month or two ago, that's why you can apt-get or yum install it now. So we hear you :) |
| 06:33.38 | seg|ars | yeah, that's good |
| 06:33.46 | cjb | it's been a rough time. the project's worth hanging on to, though. |
| 06:33.48 | seg|ars | having it easily available on mainstream distros will hopefully also grow the developer community |
| 06:33.52 | seg|ars | yeah |
| 06:34.01 | seg|ars | a lot of it seems like just bad luck |
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| 06:34.18 | seg|ars | the bizarre lancor litigation, the terrible shipping screwups, the keyboard failures, etc |
| 06:34.29 | seg|ars | I keep hoping that it's all just exaggerated |
| 06:34.32 | cjb | heh, yeah. |
| 06:34.37 | cjb | the keyboard failures are definitely exaggerated. |
| 06:34.52 | cjb | we've been asking people to record if they're affected on a wiki page, when they mail us etc |
| 06:35.18 | cjb | and we have like 50 reports out of 80,000 units. <0.1%, etc. |
| 06:35.31 | seg|ars | that's not too bad at all |
| 06:35.39 | nullpuppy | yay, 2x2gb micro sd ordered |
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| 06:35.45 | nullpuppy | woot for woot.com |
| 06:35.48 | cjb | yeah. it's still a problem, but we think it's one we've fixed. |
| 06:35.59 | seg|ars | cjb: are any of the plans for the next gen model realistic, or is that mostly pipe dream stuff at this point? |
| 06:36.32 | seg|ars | the impression that I got when negroponte announced the new model with the book form-factor was that it was kind of like damage control, to distract from the other problems and stuff |
| 06:36.39 | seg|ars | it's hard to gauge how realistic it is |
| 06:36.44 | cjb | realistic in theory. I have very good faith in the hardware designers. |
| 06:37.03 | cjb | heh, I guess it's possible. it had been in the works for many months, though. |
| 06:37.17 | seg|ars | that's good to hear |
| 06:37.34 | seg|ars | when it was presented, it felt like they just threw together a few mockups or something |
| 06:37.45 | cjb | people said the new things about the gen1 laptop -- sunlight-readable screen, mesh, power, price, were impossible too. gen2 doesn't seem nearly as hard. :) |
| 06:37.53 | seg|ars | yeah |
| 06:38.00 | seg|ars | the screen on the current models is amazing |
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| 06:38.10 | seg|ars | it totally exceeded my expectations |
| 06:38.35 | cjb | yeah. Mary Lou's a genius. |
| 06:39.30 | seg|ars | I was very skeptical about the sunlight readability claims until I saw it in person |
| 06:39.46 | sontek | I've been between getting an xo and an hp 2133 |
| 06:39.50 | seg|ars | I'm looking forward to seeing that kind of dual-mode screen technology in a wider range of commercial devices |
| 06:39.57 | sontek | leaning more towards 2133 |
| 06:40.01 | cjb | sontek: those look interesting |
| 06:40.06 | seg|ars | sontek: have you seen the pictures of the dell subnotebook |
| 06:40.10 | sontek | but the screen in the xo does interest me |
| 06:40.28 | cjb | I like the resolution on it, 1200x900. |
| 06:40.29 | sontek | seg|ars: nope, didn't know they were working on one |
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| 06:40.46 | seg|ars | sontek: I've been drooling over this ever since I saw it: http://gizmodo.com/393815/exclusive-dell-mini-inspiron-their-first-mini-laptop |
| 06:41.08 | cjb | of course, these are pretty different to the XO technically -- twice the power, twice the price. |
| 06:41.09 | seg|ars | cjb: yeah, that resolution is great. It's perfect for ebooks |
| 06:41.29 | methril | morning |
| 06:41.35 | cjb | but I guess we only sell the XO at 2* cost (for 2 laptops), so people naturally compare the price. |
| 06:42.14 | cjb | I guess three times the price, for the HP. |
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| 06:42.41 | cjb | people say that OLPC caused the industry to start being cheap laptops, but they're still at least twice as expensive as they should be :) |
| 06:42.51 | sontek | cjb: how does the xo feel? is its keyboard easy to type on? |
| 06:43.02 | sontek | cjb: does it stay battery powered for long? or are you always cranking it? |
| 06:43.16 | seg|ars | during my testing, I found the battery life to be ok |
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| 06:43.26 | cjb | sontek: I'm working on the power management software. Got 16 hours on a test recently, backlight half-dimmed and wireless off. |
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| 06:43.29 | seg|ars | the rubberized keys are kind of meant for smaller fingers |
| 06:43.37 | sontek | I didn't like the eeepc 7", I think I need 9" |
| 06:43.39 | cjb | the interesting thing about the battery life is that it's all about how good we can make the software |
| 06:44.09 | cjb | most times you're just constrained by hardware. but since we can turn off the XO CPU and leave the screen on, the battery life depends a lot on how often we can do that without you noticing. |
| 06:44.15 | seg|ars | it seems like the gnome community in general is a lot more careful about energy efficiency now |
| 06:44.36 | sontek | the keyboard looked very rubbery/toyish, does it bother you to type on it? or do pictures not do it justice? |
| 06:44.53 | cjb | sontek: it's not the most comfortable keyboard, for sure |
| 06:44.56 | seg|ars | I didn't mind the rubber. What bothered me was the small size of the keys |
| 06:45.06 | cjb | sontek: I can touch type on it now, but it took lots of practice. |
| 06:45.16 | sontek | My main reason for wanting an xo would be for hacking out on the lake in the sunlight |
| 06:45.17 | cjb | == typing on XO keyboards for about 1.5 years now. |
| 06:45.48 | sontek | my dell inspiron with its glossy finish isn't usable in the sunlight |
| 06:47.12 | cjb | sontek: you save a lot of power by being able to turn the backlight off there. We measured 21 hours before the battery dead, with backlight off and wireless off. |
| 06:47.20 | cjb | (reading PDF ebooks) |
| 06:47.24 | cjb | s/dead/died/ |
| 06:47.42 | cjb | the nice thing about ebooks is that you can have the CPU on only for as long as it takes to render the next page |
| 06:47.46 | cjb | that's how it gets so high |
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| 06:48.25 | seg|ars | and in the b&w mode, the screen is more responsive than the epaper tech used in conventional ebook readers |
| 06:48.43 | cjb | so it depends what people are after from a laptop -- if you really care about power outdoors, I'd definitely go with the XO over some power-hungry subnotebook |
| 06:49.04 | sontek | cjb: can the cpu toggle be automatic, or do you specifically tell it to turn on/off as you turn pages? |
| 06:49.10 | cjb | sontek: it is automatic |
| 06:49.40 | sontek | a local friend is selling his xo because he prefers eeepc, I might have to pick that up now too |
| 06:49.46 | cjb | at least in our PDF reader. every time it finishes rendering a page it sleeps, and then the button keypresses to change page wake it up. |
| 06:49.47 | sontek | stops hanging out with seg|ars |
| 06:50.05 | nullpuppy | was considering an eeepc, wanting an msi wind at this point though |
| 06:50.16 | seg|ars | I like my eee |
| 06:50.21 | seg|ars | it's my main laptop for event coverage now |
| 06:50.30 | nullpuppy | the wind is a tiny bit bigger, and uses a standard sata drive |
| 06:50.37 | nullpuppy | and has a 1.6ghz atom ;) |
| 06:50.49 | nullpuppy | seg|ars: how much battery life do you get out of it? |
| 06:50.49 | sontek | yeah, I have different needs, I don't mind caring my 15" laptop at conferences, but when i'm out boating, I still want to code once in awhile |
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| 06:50.56 | cjb | I think there are two screen sizes on the Wind? |
| 06:51.01 | seg|ars | the eee? I get just over 3 hours when I'm using wifi |
| 06:51.02 | sontek | now if I can tether my moko to my olpc for internet.... |
| 06:51.08 | nullpuppy | sontek: yeah, hence why i want a wind :) |
| 06:51.14 | nullpuppy | cjb: yeah, 8.9 and a 10.2 |
| 06:51.23 | seg|ars | I'm hoping that the eee will get better battery life when they put an atom in it |
| 06:51.26 | nullpuppy | it's like the eeepc though in that it's the same shell |
| 06:51.29 | sontek | the wind doesn't have the screen that works well in light |
| 06:51.33 | sontek | does it? |
| 06:51.34 | cjb | sontek: probably best to get a bluetooth adapter (USB) for the OLPC |
| 06:51.40 | cjb | I don't think so |
| 06:51.51 | nullpuppy | sontek: dunno |
| 06:52.20 | sontek | I spend my time jet skiing and scuba diving on the weekends, the xo would be perfect for chilling in the back of the boat and getting work done |
| 06:52.20 | cjb | hm, bedtime. happy subnotebook purchasing all. :) |
| 06:52.24 | sontek | i'd telecommute more =) |
| 06:52.35 | cjb | sontek: it's water-resistant (within reason), too |
| 06:52.43 | sontek | cjb: damn you |
| 06:52.57 | sontek | thats another $200 gone ;p |
| 06:52.58 | cjb | you can dunk water on the keyboard without anything happening, at least. immersing the main body is a bad idea. |
| 06:53.20 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 06:53.30 | seg|ars | was very tempted to do stress testing with his test unit |
| 06:53.58 | sontek | I just emailed zelut, i'll have an olpc tomorrow :P |
| 06:54.00 | cjb | seg|ars: there's video somewhere from someone tipping a bucket of water over it on live TV :) |
| 06:54.04 | seg|ars | nice |
| 06:54.07 | nullpuppy | cjb: is there any plans to bring the xo to general public ordering? |
| 06:54.19 | cjb | nullpuppy: yes, in a few months |
| 06:54.24 | nullpuppy | awesome. |
| 06:55.32 | seg|ars | I hadn't heard that |
| 06:55.36 | seg|ars | I wonder if it's public knowledge |
| 06:55.45 | cjb | I wouldn't mention it if it wasn't :) |
| 06:55.46 | cjb | moment |
| 06:56.02 | cjb | it was made public at the same time as the Gen2 announcement |
| 06:56.10 | seg|ars | oh I must have missed that |
| 06:56.15 | nullpuppy | sweet |
| 06:56.20 | seg|ars | that's cool |
| 06:56.54 | nullpuppy | tis an awesome piece of hardware. really wanted one when the launched, but didn't have the money. maybe by the time they're available that'll change. |
| 06:57.13 | cjb | http://blog.laptopmag.com/first-look-olpc-xo-generation-20 # Negroponte ended his speech by announcing that the Give 1, Get 1 program, which allows consumers to give one laptop to a child in the developing world and get a low-cost laptop for themselves, will start up again in August or September 2008. |
| 06:57.21 | sontek | nullpuppy: pfft, I don't have the money either, you don't see that stopping me! ;p |
| 06:57.38 | sontek | nullpuppy: thats why god invented ramen noodles and free samples at grocery stores ;) |
| 06:57.44 | seg|ars | lol |
| 06:58.18 | cjb | g'night |
| 06:58.29 | seg|ars | I usually get loaner units of all the hot linux hardware |
| 06:58.36 | sontek | is the xo good for devs though? python and mono run well on it? gtk? |
| 06:58.45 | seg|ars | python/gtk is great on it |
| 06:58.48 | sontek | good terminal? |
| 06:58.49 | cjb | sontek: the UI is *written* in python/gtk |
| 06:58.55 | nullpuppy | sontek: lol, i have a mortgage payment that has to be paid somehow |
| 06:59.05 | nullpuppy | if i didn't need to worry about that, things would be different ;) |
| 06:59.07 | ecraven | that's why the ui is so slow ;( |
| 06:59.14 | sontek | nullpuppy: now yuo have no excuse for getting one, refi! |
| 06:59.21 | cjb | ecraven: yeah :/ we found some neat optimizations recently |
| 06:59.31 | cjb | we don't launch a python interpreter per-activity anymore, we reuse one |
| 06:59.35 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 06:59.37 | ecraven | do i understand correctly that the ability to make phone calls and send texts etc. is implemented *below* dbus, so i could build an entirely different ui and not worry about the implementation details? |
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| 06:59.43 | nullpuppy | sontek: i can't for another 2.5 years |
| 06:59.44 | cjb | sontek: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Terminal |
| 06:59.47 | nullpuppy | or i |
| 06:59.49 | ecraven | cjb: is that included in the newest asu images? |
| 06:59.51 | nullpuppy | 'll be penalized |
| 07:00.05 | sontek | cjb: ok, i'll stop asking questions :) goodnight |
| 07:00.07 | sontek | thanks for the info |
| 07:00.08 | cjb | ecraven: I'm talking about OLPC :) |
| 07:00.14 | ecraven | cjb: oh, sorry ;) |
| 07:00.16 | seg|ars | sontek: you can break out of the top ui layer and get a regular working gnome desktop on it |
| 07:00.33 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:00.33 | cjb | but openmoko is interesting too! sleep now. |
| 07:00.55 | sontek | so I hangout with seg|ars on irc for one night and I end up with an olpc and an openmoko |
| 07:01.01 | seg|ars | LOL |
| 07:01.05 | seg|ars | I'm a bad influence |
| 07:01.17 | seg|ars | my gadget lust must be contagious |
| 07:01.23 | sontek | yeah Mr. I get everything for free! ;) |
| 07:01.27 | seg|ars | lol |
| 07:01.31 | sontek | spoiled! |
| 07:01.41 | sontek | but now i'm pretty excited |
| 07:01.52 | sontek | if I can get the xo using my openmoko for internet... |
| 07:01.59 | sontek | i'm selling the house and moving out on the lake :P |
| 07:02.07 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 07:02.20 | seg|ars | the openmoko doesn't do 3g though. :-( |
| 07:02.26 | seg|ars | that's the deal-breaker for me |
| 07:02.40 | sontek | thats ok, I just need enough internet to commit and checkout ;P |
| 07:02.41 | seg|ars | if it did 3g, I'd want to make it my primary phone |
| 07:02.46 | seg|ars | lol |
| 07:02.54 | nullpuppy | i wish i had a tiny bit more dev experience. tempted to try and make my way into openmoko the company doing dev work |
| 07:02.58 | sontek | I have t-mobile, so I don't get 3g anyways |
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| 07:03.31 | seg|ars | my mac-loving coworkers keep trying to talk me into getting an iphone. :-P |
| 07:03.41 | sontek | I'm interviewing at Novell for their SLED team on thursday |
| 07:03.50 | seg|ars | cool |
| 07:03.58 | sontek | don't fall to the peer pressure! |
| 07:04.03 | seg|ars | lol |
| 07:04.09 | nullpuppy | i don't really want an iphone. i wouldn't mind an ipod touch, but i don't think i'll need it now with the freerunner |
| 07:04.13 | sontek | I want to play with it to see what it does well |
| 07:04.14 | seg|ars | apple fandom is practically a disease at ars |
| 07:04.19 | sontek | that way we can improve the moko |
| 07:04.33 | seg|ars | my managing editor gave me his quad-core mac pro at a really low price so he could entice me to write articles about cocoa programming |
| 07:04.42 | sontek | haha |
| 07:04.44 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 07:04.47 | seg|ars | after about an hour with os x, I partitioned it and installed ubuntu |
| 07:04.51 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 07:04.52 | nullpuppy | nice |
| 07:05.07 | sontek | I hear obj-c is actually really nice to hack in |
| 07:05.12 | sontek | but I love my python and C# |
| 07:05.18 | sontek | no room in my heart for a 3rd |
| 07:05.21 | seg|ars | yeah, I much prefer C# over obj-c |
| 07:05.40 | seg|ars | the os x development ecosystem has pretty good support for python and ruby tho |
| 07:05.46 | seg|ars | you can make native cocoa apps with python |
| 07:05.52 | seg|ars | and it's fully supported in the IDE and everything |
| 07:06.00 | seg|ars | that aspect of the platform is pretty cool |
| 07:06.06 | seg|ars | but I hate how inflexible the UI is |
| 07:06.21 | sontek | ... you can't get me to get a mac too! |
| 07:06.28 | sontek | draws the line |
| 07:06.29 | seg|ars | lol |
| 07:06.35 | seg|ars | just run os x in vmware |
| 07:06.46 | sontek | I could dual boot it, it runs on intel now |
| 07:06.52 | nullpuppy | leopard apparently runs unmodified on the msi wind ;) |
| 07:06.54 | xzcvczx | i find x-code a pita to code in... and lack of good docs |
| 07:06.56 | zlfita | i tried using os x for a coupleof hours |
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| 07:07.06 | zlfita | it sucked |
| 07:07.22 | xzcvczx | zlfita: what do you use? |
| 07:07.24 | seg|ars | it's really the little things that make os x unbearable |
| 07:07.33 | seg|ars | like, not being able to resize windows from anywhere but the bottom right-hand corner |
| 07:07.34 | zlfita | normally ubuntu |
| 07:07.40 | seg|ars | I'm not sure who thought that was a good ui concept |
| 07:07.53 | xzcvczx | seg|ars: its fine if its just a streaming media box |
| 07:08.07 | seg|ars | why use os x as a media box? |
| 07:08.07 | zlfita | it's a good ui for those who never used an ui |
| 07:08.12 | sontek | I prefer gnome-main-menu in suse over normal gnome menus |
| 07:08.12 | seg|ars | linux works just fine for media for me |
| 07:08.13 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 07:08.15 | xzcvczx | seg|ars: frontrow |
| 07:08.18 | sontek | but yeah, mac setup is just silly |
| 07:08.23 | seg|ars | xzcvczx: have you ever tried elisa? |
| 07:08.39 | xzcvczx | seg|ars: last time i tried it it was much too immaturer |
| 07:08.41 | xzcvczx | -r |
| 07:08.41 | seg|ars | xzcvczx: it's a perfect front row clone for Linux: http://elisa.fluendo.com/ |
| 07:08.42 | sontek | there is also an alternative to elisa that uses clutter instead of pigment called entertainer |
| 07:08.54 | sontek | http://www.entertainer-project.com/ |
| 07:08.59 | sontek | its pretty new |
| 07:09.00 | sontek | but sexy |
| 07:09.03 | nullpuppy | i've got a popcorn hour for my media box. |
| 07:09.04 | xzcvczx | mature? |
| 07:09.09 | nullpuppy | awesome piece of technology it is. |
| 07:09.12 | seg|ars | the only thing I don't like about elisa is that it doesn't let me configure subtitle fonts |
| 07:09.16 | xzcvczx | s/mature/actually working? |
| 07:09.17 | nullpuppy | just need a decent nas now |
| 07:09.25 | sontek | elisa is very mature |
| 07:09.35 | xzcvczx | what version? |
| 07:09.37 | sontek | I switched to it from my hacked xbox awhile ago |
| 07:09.38 | seg|ars | nullpuppy: if you are looking for a good nas, check out the Netgear ReadyNAS |
| 07:09.57 | seg|ars | nullpuppy: I have one with four 1TB hard drives. It kicks ass |
| 07:10.04 | sontek | xzcvczx: http://elisa.fluendo.com/screenshots/ |
| 07:10.08 | sontek | xzcvczx: that has a videocast on it |
| 07:10.10 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 07:10.15 | nullpuppy | seg|ars: user accessible drives? |
| 07:10.24 | seg|ars | nullpuppy: hm? |
| 07:10.40 | nullpuppy | does it come with drives? or can i replace them without voiding the warranty? :) |
| 07:10.55 | seg|ars | nullpuppy: you can buy it with as many drives as you want. I bought mine empty and put my 1TB drives in it |
| 07:11.02 | seg|ars | you can just open it and put them into the trays |
| 07:11.03 | nullpuppy | ok, awesome. |
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| 07:11.21 | seg|ars | nullpuppy: it can do these really crazy raid tricks |
| 07:11.31 | seg|ars | like you can dynamically expand it with drives of different sizes |
| 07:11.32 | seg|ars | it's bizarre |
| 07:11.37 | alphabea1 | seg|ars: raid? |
| 07:11.39 | nullpuppy | sweet |
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| 07:11.39 | alphabea1 | oh |
| 07:11.42 | nullpuppy | sounds like jbod |
| 07:11.58 | seg|ars | they call it x-raid. It's a proprietary thing I think |
| 07:11.58 | alphabea1 | i want a netapp box. those things are awesome |
| 07:12.07 | seg|ars | the other thing I like about the readynas is that it's extensible |
| 07:12.14 | nullpuppy | holy crap |
| 07:12.15 | seg|ars | it's possible to make plugins for it and stuff |
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| 07:12.20 | seg|ars | they have a whole bittorrent client and everything |
| 07:12.21 | nullpuppy | $900 for the damn box without drives |
| 07:12.22 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 07:12.31 | seg|ars | yeah, it's pricey |
| 07:12.43 | alphabea1 | nullpuppy: cheaper building your own with zfs ;) |
| 07:12.50 | nullpuppy | think i'll just build one from scratch then ;) |
| 07:13.11 | nullpuppy | alphabea1: how so? i could replace that hardware for less then that... |
| 07:13.24 | nullpuppy | most expensive part would be the raid controller |
| 07:13.34 | alphabea1 | why not software raid? |
| 07:13.44 | nullpuppy | i could do that |
| 07:13.50 | nullpuppy | would be cheaper ;) |
| 07:14.06 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 07:14.25 | nullpuppy | i'll figure something out eventually, no money right now anyways |
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| 07:15.32 | nullpuppy | alright, i'm gonna head to bed. |
| 07:15.36 | nullpuppy | catch ya'll later |
| 07:15.38 | alphabea1 | g'night |
| 07:15.41 | seg|ars | good night |
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| 07:17.23 | alphabea1 | what time is it where you are seg|ars? |
| 07:17.42 | seg|ars | 12:17 am |
| 07:18.05 | seg|ars | I'm in california |
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| 07:19.20 | seg|ars | I work from home, so my hours are weird |
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| 07:22.34 | sontek | seg|ars: how many articles are you required to write per month? |
| 07:22.57 | sontek | seg|ars: you have to have the best job ever :P "play with linux" |
| 07:23.14 | seg|ars | there isn't really a set number of articles per month because it kind of varies depending on how complex they are and stuff like that |
| 07:23.21 | seg|ars | but I typically do about 40 articles a month |
| 07:23.26 | seg|ars | the more prolific ars writers do about 90 |
| 07:23.36 | seg|ars | I really do love what I do |
| 07:23.38 | seg|ars | it's an awesome job |
| 07:23.44 | sontek | pfft, lets see them get 15 digg front pages |
| 07:23.52 | seg|ars | lol they don't |
| 07:24.01 | seg|ars | I usually get more on digg than the rest of the staff |
| 07:24.06 | seg|ars | linux stuff does insanely well on digg |
| 07:24.12 | sontek | yeah |
| 07:24.24 | seg|ars | and firefox stuff too |
| 07:24.26 | sontek | my vim + python blog post was the first time I was dugg |
| 07:24.33 | seg|ars | that was pretty cool |
| 07:24.46 | seg|ars | I remember digging that |
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| 07:28.02 | seg|ars | digg provides way too much entertainment for me |
| 07:28.09 | BlackFog | morning |
| 07:28.16 | seg|ars | I hacked together this little pygtk cairo thing that shows the digg status of my latest posts |
| 07:28.52 | doc|home | pfft, easy, for (i=0; i< 0;) { print("%d diggs",0); } |
| 07:29.01 | seg|ars | http://cixar.com/~segphault/tmp/diggs.png |
| 07:29.09 | doc|home | should learn python but that should give you an idea :) |
| 07:30.33 | seg|ars | I have it update every minute and sms me when one of my articles hits the front page |
| 07:30.44 | seg|ars | it would be cool to port the client to openmoko |
| 07:30.54 | sontek | seg|ars: you make some useful little apps :P |
| 07:31.06 | seg|ars | yeah |
| 07:31.12 | seg|ars | I've accumulated quite a toolkit over the years |
| 07:31.18 | doc|home | seg|ars: looks nice |
| 07:31.23 | seg|ars | thanks |
| 07:32.11 | seg|ars | sontek: the most useful little app I've ever written: http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/02/04/you-can-has-lolcats-with-ruby-and-gtk |
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| 07:34.09 | doc|home | a porn site I could understand.... |
| 07:34.15 | seg|ars | lol |
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| 07:35.06 | doc|home | or not, given our newest guest |
| 07:35.15 | b0ner4u | hi |
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| 07:35.40 | swc|666 | lol |
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| 07:37.29 | b0ner4u | any1 have a neo fr yet? |
| 07:37.55 | ecloud | I just tried flashing FSO on my Neo1973 |
| 07:38.07 | ecloud | the first thing I noticed is the micro SD card isn't showing up |
| 07:38.13 | ecloud | anybody know about that? |
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| 07:38.38 | b0ner4u | i want to inquirer about the hard ware, namely the vibtatot.. is it good? |
| 07:39.05 | b0ner4u | t/r |
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| 07:41.19 | doc|home | good? |
| 07:42.01 | b0ner4u | yes, is it good? |
| 07:42.15 | ecloud | the one on this phone uh vibrateas |
| 07:42.19 | swc|666 | 0.o |
| 07:42.27 | ecloud | what a question huh |
| 07:42.36 | ecloud | primitive electromechanical device... |
| 07:42.51 | b0ner4u | oh |
| 07:43.17 | ecloud | but I haven't got a Freerunner, assume it's about the same |
| 07:43.41 | ecloud | so what about FSO, anybody here running it? |
| 07:46.45 | yangvnc | root 1299 10.7 18.7 17696 8564 ? S 19:41 0:03 /usr/libexec/notification-daemon any idea how to kill this task? |
| 07:46.59 | b0ner4u | kill -9 |
| 07:47.02 | b0ner4u | ? |
| 07:47.04 | yangvnc | it brings it back |
| 07:47.42 | b0ner4u | hm |
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| 07:48.03 | ecloud | if you have pstree you could see what the parent process is, which is bringing it back |
| 07:48.33 | swc|666 | what is that daemon 4? |
| 07:48.56 | yangvnc | ecloud: i think pstree is not in angstrom |
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| 07:49.23 | ecloud | yeah maybe not |
| 07:49.30 | yangvnc | swc|666: gsmd related I think it tries to register to the network |
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| 07:50.04 | yangvnc | swc|666: make OM GUI unusable becouse it pops out blank stripes at the bottom |
| 07:50.10 | seg|ars | time for me to go to sleep |
| 07:50.12 | seg|ars | good night everybody |
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| 07:51.13 | swc|666 | hmmmmm |
| 07:51.18 | ecloud | http://www.galago-project.org/ |
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| 07:53.10 | yangvnc | maybe simply removing notification-daemon as a package would fix that |
| 07:53.43 | swc|666 | what happens when u kill gsmd |
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| 07:53.57 | yangvnc | nothing, the lines still pop out |
| 07:54.35 | yangvnc | this is how it looks like http://uranus.mtveurope.org/~yang/openezx/DSC02052.JPG |
| 07:56.04 | ecloud | oh you're messing with the A780, sweet |
| 07:56.15 | ecloud | gotta try that one of these days |
| 07:56.58 | yangvnc | yeah, they are cheap to get |
| 07:57.38 | richie23 | morning everybody! (CEST here) |
| 07:57.47 | richie23 | anyone got usb gadget to work with qemu? |
| 07:58.36 | richie23 | i am still waiting for my freerunner here in germany and would like to start working on some small apps |
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| 07:59.06 | richie23 | unfortunately I have not found a way to copy things onto a running neo1973 in qemu yet... both pppd and usb fail : ( |
| 08:00.29 | richie23 | inside neo i see a usb0 interface but nothing the like on host side : ( |
| 08:00.51 | richie23 | using qemu as described in the wiki on 2.6.25 kernel with necessary modules compiled |
| 08:00.59 | richie23 | kernel = host system |
| 08:01.24 | ecloud | you don't have anything like a network? usblan? |
| 08:01.40 | richie23 | where? in ifconfig -a on host system? |
| 08:02.07 | richie23 | [ 3270.876065] usb 5-1: string descriptor 0 read error: -32 |
| 08:02.07 | richie23 | [ 3275.912044] usb 5-1: string descriptor 0 read error: -32 |
| 08:02.08 | richie23 | [ 3275.930838] usb 5-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 08:02.08 | richie23 | [ 3275.932050] gadgetfs: configuration #1 |
| 08:02.08 | richie23 | [ 3280.932043] usb 5-1: can't set config #1, error -110 |
| 08:02.08 | richie23 | [ 3280.948061] usb 5-1: New USB device found, idVendor=1457, idProduct=5122 |
| 08:02.08 | ecloud | yeah, but you would need usbnet on the host system |
| 08:02.09 | richie23 | [ 3280.948073] usb 5-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 |
| 08:02.19 | ecloud | no idea if that works with qemu... |
| 08:02.39 | Kalamansi | hi richie23 |
| 08:02.43 | Kalamansi | guten morgen all |
| 08:03.00 | richie23 | guten morgen : ) |
| 08:03.04 | yangvnc | richie23: you have probably looked at this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 08:03.29 | richie23 | in fact at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu#Setting_up_USB_connection |
| 08:05.42 | richie23 | but both qemu and my host system give me errors when trying to run usb_add gadget:1 |
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| 08:06.22 | richie23 | i posted the probably relevant things from host dmesg - qemu says: |
| 08:06.23 | Ainulindale | richie23: which error ? |
| 08:06.24 | richie23 | gadget_ep_parse: failed to configure gadgetfs: -22 |
| 08:06.24 | richie23 | gadget_read: read error |
| 08:06.24 | richie23 | s3c_udc_handle_packet: EP0 overrun |
| 08:06.24 | richie23 | gadget_read: unhandled event: 50333312 |
| 08:06.24 | richie23 | gadget_read: event error: 51 |
| 08:06.30 | Ainulindale | Wow. |
| 08:06.48 | richie23 | that's the qemu/neo side |
| 08:07.08 | richie23 | the host side is that what i posted with [3xxxxxx] in front some lines ago |
| 08:07.11 | Ainulindale | richie23: though it looks as if the config you set on your host system is invalid |
| 08:07.35 | richie23 | hmm, ok - what can i check there? |
| 08:08.35 | Ainulindale | Is the uid correct for gadgetsfs ? |
| 08:08.43 | Ainulindale | Did you put the good lines in fstab ? |
| 08:08.44 | richie23 | i am running as root (i know, bad idea, but this is a seperated development system), modprobed usbnet and mounted gadgetfs: |
| 08:08.45 | richie23 | gadget on /dev/gadget type gadgetfs (rw) |
| 08:08.59 | Ainulindale | permissions ? |
| 08:09.25 | Ainulindale | Did you double check that all necessary modules were compiled ? |
| 08:09.32 | richie23 | dr-xr-xr-x for /dev/gadget and -rw------- for everything inside |
| 08:09.42 | richie23 | all belonging root:root, me running qemu as root |
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| 08:10.23 | richie23 | well, what modules could be missing? usbnet, gadgetfs and dummy_hcd are loaded |
| 08:10.57 | Ainulindale | CDC ? |
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| 08:13.16 | richie23 | u mean cdc_ether? |
| 08:14.30 | Ainulindale | Yep |
| 08:14.45 | richie23 | modprobed it, but did not change anything when retrying the gadget connection... |
| 08:14.58 | Ainulindale | Yep, sorry, I'm ill and just trying ;-) |
| 08:15.15 | Ainulindale | It worked without doing anything special for me so I don't really know :-) |
| 08:15.57 | richie23 | hmm... |
| 08:17.12 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r7d41875bd6bd 10/packages/efl1/edbus_cvs.bb: [efl] Remove entry edbus_edbus in PACKAGES of edbus_cvs.bb |
| 08:17.58 | richie23 | host side looks ok to me - "can't set config #1, error -110" seems to be a timeout which means neo side is not responding correctly |
| 08:18.27 | richie23 | so what can i do against |
| 08:18.29 | richie23 | gadget_read: event error: 22 |
| 08:18.30 | richie23 | gadget_ep_parse: failed to configure gadgetfs: -22 |
| 08:18.45 | Ainulindale | Which image are you using ? |
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| 08:19.48 | richie23 | Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080430-om-gta01.rootfs |
| 08:19.58 | richie23 | the only one that works reliable for me |
| 08:20.11 | richie23 | all newer ones do not boot or crash after a while... |
| 08:20.20 | richie23 | qtopia-x11 ones are even worse : ( |
| 08:21.01 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0ed8bf5e7976 10/packages/efl1/edbus_cvs.bb: [efl] Remove entry edbus_edbus in PACKAGES of edbus_cvs.bb |
| 08:21.33 | Ainulindale | Weird, I used devel and FSO and FSO has been running for two days without a problem (under qemu of course) |
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| 08:24.25 | richie23 | hmm, which FSO image exactly? |
| 08:24.53 | richie23 | perhaps i stopped trying after a lot of those images not even booted into X |
| 08:25.05 | richie23 | they spammed the screen with "now go fix your code" msgs... |
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| 08:27.29 | Ainulindale | richie23: do you use mokomakefile ? |
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| 08:29.11 | beni_ | hi there |
| 08:29.13 | Wander_w | hi |
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| 08:40.16 | beni_ | how is the battery on the gta02v6? |
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| 08:43.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8d4ef5dd950f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [splinter] Bump up the reversion of Splinter to 462 |
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| 08:48.29 | ahven | beni_, the PM is still in the early stages |
| 08:48.34 | ahven | as I have understood so far |
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| 08:51.29 | richie23 | Ainulindale: for qemu i am using the "qemu-only" approach as described on the qemu page in the wiki - i have tried mokomakefile for compiling my own images |
| 08:53.21 | beni_ | ahven: what is PM? |
| 08:53.28 | ahven | power management |
| 08:53.29 | beni_ | power-management? |
| 08:53.31 | beni_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.33 | beni_ | :D |
| 08:53.56 | beni_ | i heard that too, but im interested in how long it lasts now, in this early stage, and what is target |
| 08:54.03 | richie23 | unfortunately not one single try worked up to the end running mokomakefile compiling devel or qtopia image... either downloads failed and where not possible to resume or complilation failed : ( |
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| 09:00.00 | Ainulindale | richie23: what you should do |
| 09:00.05 | Ainulindale | richie23: make flash-qemu-official |
| 09:00.09 | Ainulindale | then make run-qemu |
| 09:00.17 | Ainulindale | With the correct git branches |
| 09:00.30 | Ainulindale | (org.openembedded.dev for OM, and org.openembedded.asu.dev for ASU) |
| 09:01.42 | mjr | ~battery |
| 09:01.43 | apt | it has been said that battery is made by Danionics http://www.danionics.com/products/icphh02.asp, or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/questions.html#AEN744 |
| 09:01.51 | mjr | ~pm |
| 09:01.52 | apt | rumour has it, pm is project manager, or private message, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron: when you see someone say pm, they're asking if you think that they're a pathetic moron, or something you don't do without asking permission |
| 09:01.56 | Ainulindale | richie23: and check that you have -usb -usbgadget on your qemu parameters |
| 09:02.22 | Ainulindale | richie23: I just did that, booted, type in usb_add gadget:1 on qemu, and it worked |
| 09:02.36 | mjr | meh; beni, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_%28GTA02%29_Battery |
| 09:04.07 | leinir | Hmm... this is likely not the first time someone's got this, and it's likely my own fault, but: i just tried following the Boot from sd card instructions, and ended up with being told: |
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| 09:04.28 | leinir | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2) |
| 09:04.57 | leinir | Anyone got an idea what i've ballsed up on there? |
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| 09:05.52 | dragonheart | kernel support for the root media is missing |
| 09:07.10 | leinir | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080709/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin <-- i'm using this uImage.bin, if that helps :) |
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| 09:08.07 | richie23 | Ainulindale: thanks for your testing - i'll try and report back |
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| 09:09.33 | leinir | That's from NOR, from NAND i get a little bit further (lots of scrolley infos) and then i get a kernel panic again... |
| 09:10.34 | richie23 | Ainulindale: org.openembedded? default is org.openmoko - does that make a difference? |
| 09:11.22 | Ainulindale | richie23: Errr I heavily modified my makefile so just check on the wiki :-) |
| 09:11.48 | Ainulindale | (it's supposed to be openmoko) |
| 09:12.27 | leinir | "Step 5 Select the boot from SD from menu (with correct u-boot_env content)" confuses me somewhat... What is the correct u-boot_env content? |
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| 09:14.55 | richie23 | k, thx |
| 09:15.32 | Ainulindale | Does someone know how to mount the filesystem ? |
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| 09:15.48 | Ainulindale | I have the correct modules but I can't mount it |
| 09:15.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r447d330b46c0 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [qtopia] Remove the callforwarding and phonesettings application from the image |
| 09:15.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r855eddf290f3 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to a version with the massive painting changes |
| 09:15.57 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rf4bc2d53be54 10/packages/efl1/edbus_cvs.bb: [edbus Bump the PR after raster's change |
| 09:16.00 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rf965ff25753d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get the callscreen/theme improvements |
| 09:16.03 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rfb03ea2942c7 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: update efl to latest to get etk drag+hold changes etc. |
| 09:16.08 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r9b00b07a6dce 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum of elfutils |
| 09:16.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r8d487b0c5926 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add prelink checksum for the normal mirror |
| 09:16.14 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r8b415c2e4a4d 10/packages/python/python-pyxdg_0.15.bb: [python] Add pyxdg to use fdo specs from python |
| 09:16.19 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * raf08d7a76b6a 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for pyxdg, matches the debian source |
| 09:16.22 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r3ffaf2d12a58 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update efl and illume dates/rev to update to gsm "no signal" mode and |
| 09:16.25 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r6707a96cb440 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 174. |
| 09:16.30 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r1b6fe164bc69 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up to illume rev with any_mod for bindings. |
| 09:16.33 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r92ca0be67f51 10/packages/openmoko-projects/assassin_svn.bb: [Assassin] Add curl to assassin's depends. |
| 09:16.36 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rf4c0ba94694b 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [srcrev/exposure] Upgrade exposure to have the xdg changes |
| 09:16.41 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r67efe06a5eff 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: rev illume to 1 second after blank for suspend |
| 09:16.44 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r142459fe0c87 10/packages/efl1/edbus_cvs.bb: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev |
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| 09:25.23 | newb | hi can anyone tell me why am i getting a JFFS2 warning in Qemu under Ubuntu? how long will it take to start qemu? |
| 09:25.33 | newb | i'm on Gutsy |
| 09:27.59 | lindi- | newb: what warning? |
| 09:28.03 | lindi- | newb: what machine? |
| 09:28.25 | newb | i'm getting a JFFS2 notice: check_node_data: wrong CRC in data node at 0x |
| 09:28.26 | newb | and |
| 09:28.50 | lindi- | ok, looks wrong |
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| 09:29.51 | newb | JFFS2 warning: jffs2_do_read_inode_internal: Truncating ino #1118 to 12158 16 bytes failed because it had 1077248 bytes to start with! |
| 09:30.18 | newb | lindi- i'm on a Core2Duo 1.4ghz (UPC) with 2GB Ram |
| 09:30.41 | newb | lindi- solutions/suggestions? :) |
| 09:30.57 | beni_ | are the rumors true that the internal GPS antenna is not good enough for production use? i heard that gps only works good with an external antenna |
| 09:31.30 | feitinge1 | beni_: it can be used outdoors if you feed it with almanac data |
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| 09:32.02 | newb | beni_ put in ur own antenna :) take apart the damn thing |
| 09:32.28 | feitinge1 | i heard the internal antenna is on the chip, good luck |
| 09:34.03 | newb | lindi- any solutions? on my shell i get these messages s3c_mmci_writew: Bad register 0x38 |
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| 09:36.50 | Tanuva | what do I might have to pay for such an external gps antenna? |
| 09:38.16 | newb | lindi-: :( |
| 09:38.53 | newb | lindi: actually i got a # prompt on the emulator |
| 09:38.59 | newb | after which this message appeared |
| 09:39.02 | KenSentMe | I have some problems using the internal gps of the freerunner. How can i test if it's really working properly and is searching for satelites? |
| 09:39.42 | Tanuva | KenSentMe: theres a agps test program |
| 09:39.47 | Ainulindale | Hmmm, how can I chroot to the neo in order to change the root password ? |
| 09:39.55 | Ainulindale | (with qemu) |
| 09:40.25 | Tanuva | Ainulindale: cant you ssh to the qemuneo and passwd there? |
| 09:40.44 | Ainulindale | If I could ssh I would know the password :-) |
| 09:41.12 | playya_ | tried none? |
| 09:41.17 | Tanuva | you can enter anything at the prompt, as long as theres none set it will work |
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| 09:41.36 | Ainulindale | Tried none, yep |
| 09:41.48 | Tanuva | and it doesnt let you in? |
| 09:41.58 | newb | Tanuva: i get a Jffs2 notice and warning |
| 09:42.04 | newb | how do i enter anything on the prompt? |
| 09:42.11 | newb | it doesn't take any keyboard i/p from me |
| 09:42.17 | Tanuva | I dont know |
| 09:43.02 | newb | I'm getting CRC warnings |
| 09:43.07 | KenSentMe | Tanuva, you mean the openmoko agps ui? I installed that one, but i havent figured out how to really use it. |
| 09:43.52 | Tanuva | KenSentMe: afaik: press the "power on" button on the lower left, then let it search... I havent had any fix yet, but I only tried indoor... |
| 09:44.21 | KenSentMe | Tanuva, i tried that, but havent had a fix either, and i used it outdoor |
| 09:44.41 | Tanuva | KenSentMe: you have gpsd installed and set /etc/defaults/gpsd to /dev/ttySAC1? |
| 09:44.48 | KenSentMe | Tanuva, yes |
| 09:45.02 | Ainulindale | How am I supposed to access a tty on qemu ? |
| 09:45.15 | Tanuva | hm. might be this antenna issue, getting a non-assisted fix without external antenna seems to be quite hard |
| 09:45.54 | Tanuva | (and I dont have figured out how to "assist" the gps chip/how to download this almanac thing..) |
| 09:47.48 | mjr | basically stationary outside in a clearish place upright is the way to go if you're having problems, and if after half an hour or so of that you still don't have anything, it's serious ;/ |
| 09:47.54 | bobkare | KenSentMe: You need really good reception and lots of patience, 15-30mins often |
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| 09:48.45 | KenSentMe | Ok, lets try again then |
| 09:48.47 | Tanuva | so I really need to get an external antenna... :/ |
| 09:49.05 | newb | from where can we get an external antenna? |
| 09:49.17 | attila_lendvai | wow, lots of ppl here... hello everyone |
| 09:49.17 | Tanuva | amazon? |
| 09:49.18 | IXian-Probe | Well, I've been playing with the gps for about a 5 days now since i got my neo. To get at First Fix you definitively need to power up the gps outdoors in a clear area with plenty of visible airspace. |
| 09:49.19 | ahven | heh, neo1973 gets a signal within 5 minutes |
| 09:49.24 | ahven | outside |
| 09:49.29 | mjr | the initial fix time was better on the 1973, yes |
| 09:49.33 | bobkare | Tanuva: have a look at the community ML thread "GPS", there's instructions there on how to build a script that assists the gps with only the current time and a rough guess of position. I used a pos and accuracy that covers southern norway (365km radius) and it's reasonably quick at getting a fix now |
| 09:49.42 | mjr | well, at least going by the reports. I don't have an FR yet to try. |
| 09:49.52 | IXian-Probe | newb: you need a gps antenna with a MMCX connector |
| 09:50.16 | ahven | and without an external antenna |
| 09:50.17 | Tanuva | bobkare: I read that... Then I got to have a serious look at it :) |
| 09:50.26 | bobkare | unassisted the gps is worthless, but using software it should be possible to help it enough that it works pretty well |
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| 09:50.57 | bobkare | i haven't started looking at the scripts to download almanac data to it, my guess is that will help even more |
| 09:51.18 | IXian-Probe | Anyhow, I'm more "worried" that my GPS didn't manage to track it's location while driving yesterday. I had it on the dashboard and I _know_ I had a FFIX before starting to drive.. :/ |
| 09:51.23 | mjr | bobkare, well it certainly _should_ |
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| 09:52.27 | bobkare | if we can get ephermis data too we should get phenomenal performance |
| 09:52.43 | Tanuva | what's this almanac and ephermis? |
| 09:53.02 | bobkare | data about satellite orbits and stuff |
| 09:53.36 | mjr | IXian-Probe, a symtom of the same problem (suboptimal sensitivity), I'm sure. |
| 09:53.41 | bobkare | almanac is rougher and valid for longer, ephermis is smaller corrections but data is only valid for 4 hours |
| 09:54.26 | Tanuva | so I wont have to download the data more than once a day... sounds usable. |
| 09:54.31 | IXian-Probe | mjr: mhm |
| 09:55.18 | bobkare | ephermis takes just 30secs to download from the gps sats, so it's not that critical to use assist for it |
| 09:55.36 | mjr | bobkare, if you get good enough reception :/ |
| 09:55.54 | Tanuva | need to reboot... |
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| 09:58.12 | bobkare | mjr: good point. though I've found the gps works really well when it's gotten a fix. it's downloading all the data that's really problematic |
| 09:58.41 | mjr | well, it's okay for me even if I had to use downloaded ephemeris all the time |
| 10:00.13 | kvk | im trying to build a gtk based application using bitbake method, i have specified the path ( common/linked-list) correctly still it is giving linking error. the error is " arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: .: linker input file unused because linking not done. make[2]: *** No rule to make target `common/linked-list.c', needed by `linked-list.o'. Stop. ". |
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| 10:02.45 | kvk | can anyone help me in solving this error?? |
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| 10:03.51 | Tanuva | yay! |
| 10:04.08 | Tanuva | I just stood on the balcony for some time holding the neo upright in front of me - TTFF: 200sec! |
| 10:04.17 | Tanuva | without assitance, internal antenna |
| 10:05.23 | mjr | that sounds a bit more like it... |
| 10:05.30 | IXian-Probe | Tanuva: mhm, that's what I do now ^_^ But it has problems keeping the fix when I go in again.. :/ |
| 10:05.48 | mjr | IXian-Probe, you shouldn't really expect gps to hold a fix inside |
| 10:06.12 | Tanuva | yep, its maintaining the fix for some time if its upright, but the moment I put it down on my desk, the fix was lost |
| 10:06.38 | mjr | the signal just isn't very strong |
| 10:07.04 | Tanuva | I had nearly 40db outside |
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| 10:11.38 | Tanuva | hates his via-chipset. |
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| 10:13.54 | ecraven | hm.. seems the FR runs about 10 hrs without suspend |
| 10:14.58 | IXian-Probe | mjr: I know ;) |
| 10:15.54 | IXian-Probe | mjr: but I had my hopes.. oh well.. Let's break out those fractal antennas ;) |
| 10:16.09 | IXian-Probe | hmm, I'm curious about wether the onboard GPS antenna is a fractal ceramic or not.. |
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| 10:22.25 | Tanuva | hopes that fso is usable for app development soon |
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| 10:24.31 | leinir | Hmm... VFS: Cannot open root device "mmcblk0p2" or unknown-block(179.2) |
| 10:24.55 | leinir | and then it tells me to append a correct root= boot option, listing the available partitions... one of which is mmcblk0p2 |
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| 10:28.02 | trupheenix | lindi-: even building the local qemu fails |
| 10:28.03 | trupheenix | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.57 | ecraven | where was the community update mail from sean about the gps problem? it mentioned sending an email to wolfgang (?) with some data |
| 10:29.11 | leinir | Hmm... looking a bit further up, i get some CRCFAIL lines too... |
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| 10:29.32 | leinir | CRCFAIL 0x1a3f |
| 10:30.06 | balrog-k1n | trupheenix: do you get some meaningful error message? |
| 10:30.13 | leinir | six of those, with a "Current Request Command:5, ARG:0x00000000 flags: 0x0008" after every second |
| 10:31.58 | trupheenix | balrog-kln: ls: /home/abhi/moko/build/qemu/uImage-2.6.*-om-gta01.bin: No such file or directory |
| 10:31.59 | trupheenix | basename: missing operand |
| 10:31.59 | trupheenix | Try `basename --help' for more information. |
| 10:31.59 | trupheenix | make: *** [flash-qemu-local] Error 255 |
| 10:33.09 | balrog-k1n | ok, then qemu itself probably builds fine |
| 10:33.51 | trupheenix | balrog-k1n: then how do i run the local qemu? do make run-qemu? |
| 10:34.22 | balrog-k1n | trupheenix: you need to ask someone with MokoMakefile skills or look at the makefile |
| 10:34.45 | trupheenix | balrog-k1n: ah... MokoMakefile is UNOFFICIAL :) |
| 10:35.47 | trupheenix | balrog-k1n: i did a make qemu. then it boots up but it stalls with a JFFS2 notice and warning. |
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| 10:38.32 | leinir | Hmm... reading a touch on that Boot from sd card thing again - do you really need a debug board to be able to do that? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card#NOR_in_GTA02_history |
| 10:41.29 | balrog-k1n | trupheenix: that is what would happen if there was no rootfs (because it's not flashed for example) |
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| 10:41.47 | ernst | whats up with Freerunner Gps ? |
| 10:41.50 | balrog-k1n | sends greets from GUADEC btw |
| 10:42.06 | ernst | i have the Freerunner for 5 Day's but not fix point |
| 10:42.11 | ernst | is this a bug ? |
| 10:42.31 | trupheenix | balrog-kln: how do i resolve this and get it working? |
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| 10:43.00 | ernst | i dont know |
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| 10:43.13 | balrog-k1n | trupheenix: flash the rootfs.. and you need to ask somebody with MokoMakefile knowledege for that probably |
| 10:43.40 | trupheenix | balrog-k1n: hmmmm.... |
| 10:43.51 | balrog-k1n | ernst: there's a recent bugreport with the description line something like "gps gets no fix" |
| 10:44.14 | balrog-k1n | i didn't read it though, just deleted the mail caus ei'm low on battery |
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| 10:44.23 | balrog-k1n | ernst: my gta02 gets the fix fine |
| 10:44.38 | Wander_w | trupheenix: I had that same error with the basename |
| 10:44.43 | ernst | hm who do you live ? |
| 10:45.00 | bobkare | ernst: Try standing outside in a clear area for 15-30 minutes holding the FR upright |
| 10:45.05 | Wander_w | I made a symbolic link in openmoko/build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images |
| 10:45.17 | Wander_w | neo1973 -> om-gta01 |
| 10:45.37 | XorA | there have been numerous reports of gta02 GPS failures, no-one is quite sure what is happening |
| 10:46.01 | balrog-k1n | ernst: where? |
| 10:46.10 | ernst | yes |
| 10:46.31 | ernst | :) my english sorry |
| 10:46.47 | balrog-k1n | ernst: i live in poland, but it worked also in brazil, spain, turkey |
| 10:46.50 | bobkare | XorA: I think I'm getting a pretty good picture. Basically it's a combination of the antenna not being very sensitive and the fact that the chip doesn't have any memory for storing almanac and ephermis data so it completely resets when you power the gps chip down |
| 10:46.50 | XorA | ernst: TangoGPS and GPSD on openmoko-devel is some of the reports of failure |
| 10:46.58 | trupheenix | Wander_w: ah.... and how did u fix it? |
| 10:47.19 | XorA | bobkare: but there seems to be per device differences :-( |
| 10:47.24 | edistar | bobkare: and it seems that the antennae are not equally sensitive but vary |
| 10:47.29 | XorA | will have to try his two FR's out |
| 10:47.42 | ernst | can i use a old image to have a fix ? |
| 10:47.43 | trupheenix | Wander_w: actually the # prompt comes after it says loading root VFS. then after a few seconds i get these JFFS2 warnings |
| 10:47.48 | bobkare | yes, so a combination |
| 10:47.56 | XorA | ernst: got an external antenna? |
| 10:48.00 | ernst | no |
| 10:48.05 | bobkare | In the community ML thread GPS there is a perl script that implements some agps-ish features that help a lot |
| 10:48.09 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r662d71cc8628 10/ (conf/frameworkd.conf framework/frameworkd): Open log before importing controller |
| 10:48.14 | balrog-k1n | ernst: the image shouldn't matter |
| 10:49.46 | Tanuva | does asu also use gstreamer as audio backend? |
| 10:49.52 | leinir | Does anybody know? Can you boot from SD on a Freerunner without needing to use a debug board to turn off NOR protection? |
| 10:49.59 | trupheenix | are there issues with Openmoko development on Ubuntu Hardy? |
| 10:50.24 | Tanuva | leinir: there were rumors about a bug in uboot, but its not definite afaik |
| 10:51.33 | leinir | Right... there just doesn't seem to be much info on the error i get :) "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2)" |
| 10:51.46 | Wander_w | trupheenix: like I said, I made a symbolic link |
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| 11:00.09 | leinir | Tanuva: Any idea who might know such things? :) |
| 11:01.07 | kW | FAQ: when will the next GSM900 phones be available? the GSM900 phones were already sold out 2 minutes after the shop opened, possibly earlier |
| 11:01.20 | edistar | kW: from EU resellers |
| 11:01.32 | edistar | kW: or wait 3 weeks or so |
| 11:02.52 | ecraven | is there a better way to reset the FR than to take out the battery? |
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| 11:03.12 | edistar | ecraven: press power button for 9 secs |
| 11:03.21 | ecraven | edistar: tried, did nothing |
| 11:03.27 | edistar | ecraven: hm |
| 11:03.42 | ebbe | ecraven: ssh poweroff |
| 11:03.43 | ebbe | ? |
| 11:04.27 | ecraven | gives me a chance to note down my serial number |
| 11:04.31 | kW | edistar: EU resellers make me wait 3 weeks or so, too ;-) |
| 11:05.38 | kW | edistar: so is there a second batch of phones in production? |
| 11:05.52 | edistar | kW: I assume, yes |
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| 11:08.24 | kW | I hope that both supply and demand scale up to make openmoko a profitable company :-) |
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| 11:10.15 | trupheenix | i want to know how to set up a development environment for openmoko without using the MokoMakeFile |
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| 11:10.29 | trupheenix | also i want to build Openmoko QEMU without the Makefile |
| 11:11.19 | edistar | trupheenix: yes |
| 11:11.32 | edistar | trupheenix: use OE fuer dev env |
| 11:11.35 | edistar | *for |
| 11:11.55 | trupheenix | edistar: ok. does OE work on Ubuntu? |
| 11:12.45 | edistar | trupheenix: yes |
| 11:13.30 | trupheenix | edistar: any useful man pages u can point me to where it is explained how i can use oe with openmoko? PLEASE :) |
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| 11:14.18 | edistar | trupheenix: http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Getting_Started |
| 11:14.43 | KenSentMe | After 1,5 hrs having the freerunner standing upright and outside i looked at the agps ui tool: Fixes: 0 good 5313 fail 5313 total :( |
| 11:15.03 | Ainulindale | Hmmmm how can I chroot on the image deployed on qemu, or change the root password ? (it's not empty) |
| 11:15.33 | edistar | trupheenix: trupheenix http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom just change angstrom to openmoko or any other image you want |
| 11:16.32 | trupheenix | edistar: ok :) thanks. also i wanted to know if MokoMakeFile is actually good. it took me 2 days to build the development image on my slow connection |
| 11:17.17 | edistar | trupheenix: I don't like mokomakefile ;) it's a wrapper |
| 11:17.18 | Ainulindale | Hmmm in fact it seems I don't have a connection anymore |
| 11:17.19 | edistar | for OE |
| 11:17.22 | edistar | I think |
| 11:17.30 | edistar | trupheenix: if you can use OE, do so |
| 11:17.49 | Weiss | trupheenix: you're sure the toolchain (cross-compiler and associated tools) alone isn't enough for whatever you're doing? |
| 11:18.46 | troy_ | yay for tracking numbers! om is shipped! |
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| 11:20.25 | trupheenix | Weiss: i want all standard packages like GTK+ precompiled for moko so that i don't have to do it everytime. i used to write programs for a device called amida www.amidasimputer.org. and i had a tough time because i had to manually cross compile all the packages for it. it wasn't on open embedded. neverthless, it was a precursor to devices like the openmoko. today the GTA02 has similar features to the amida. |
| 11:20.40 | trupheenix | Weiss: amida means eternal light in Sanskrit |
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| 11:21.36 | trupheenix | Weiss: sorry it's amidasimputer.com not org |
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| 11:25.22 | lindi- | nullpuppy: bad register might be just ok |
| 11:25.36 | lindi- | hmm, wrong nick |
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| 11:25.50 | troy_ | anyone else get tracking number? |
| 11:26.20 | Ainulindale | Hmmm, impossible to access my image, either by ssh or by qemu... |
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| 11:30.40 | rgl | waves |
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| 11:31.46 | Ainulindale | Nobody is able to tell me how am I supposed to figure why, whereas gadgetfs works and my system detects the emulated image, I'm totally unable to access anything on the image by ssh ? |
| 11:32.14 | Ainulindale | (no route to host, in fact) |
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| 11:35.29 | Ainulindale | Can't see why I can't find FSO's image IP... |
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| 11:37.29 | Ainulindale | Hey mickeyl if you're available... :-p |
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| 11:38.14 | Tanuva | does anyone know where the qtopia mediaplayer looks for media? |
| 11:38.58 | nuclear_eclipse | I'm gonna hazard a guess that it looks *somewhere* on your Neo.... :P |
| 11:38.59 | brundlefliege | do you typically write gui applications for openmoko linux with qtopia on top? is it possible to write the qtopia application portable so that it could be used on e.g. android as well? |
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| 11:39.41 | Tanuva | nuclear_eclipse: Oh Im so dumb, you're genious :P |
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| 11:40.09 | Weiss | trupheenix: just checking :) - that simputer thing looks quite interesting |
| 11:41.24 | trupheenix | Weiss: yes it is. hopefully openmoko will have simputer s/w in the near future :). actually simputer is a concept to enable humans interact naturally with a computer. see www.simputer.org to find out what the scientists were thinking. |
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| 11:43.17 | trupheenix | Weiss: irony of it is. only u Europeans appreciate such devices. our very own Indian government failed to appreciate and give any kind of impetus to this device. it was never meant to be a commercial venture |
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| 11:45.06 | abraxa_ | brundlefliege: Android uses a Java slang with an irregular Java API, so no go. |
| 11:45.25 | Weiss | trupheenix: interesting link.. is the amidas machine 'hackable'? |
| 11:45.48 | trupheenix | Weiss: yes it is hackable if ur a linux geek :) |
| 11:46.16 | trupheenix | Weiss: it runs a standard arm-linux distro with a modified X and a GUI called Alchemy. |
| 11:47.08 | brundlefliege | abraxa: oic! i didn't know that you couldn't do c++ applications on it. what a shame it seems they will lose this fight then (with java) |
| 11:47.21 | trupheenix | Weiss: but it's a little outdated on the s/w front unfortunately :( |
| 11:47.21 | Weiss | probably qualifies as a linux geek 8-| |
| 11:47.56 | trupheenix | Weiss: it doesn't have a SSH. u need to telnet to it for example :) |
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| 11:48.13 | abraxa_ | brundlefliege: Indeed. Simply because everything runs in the Android VM, preventing direct access to hardware. Screw openness. |
| 11:48.20 | brundlefliege | pffff |
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| 11:48.32 | brundlefliege | amazing what a bummer! |
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| 11:50.39 | brundlefliege | abraxa_:thanks for the insight |
| 11:50.52 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: that does not follow. |
| 11:50.56 | raster | people will slowly get it |
| 11:51.01 | raster | android is NOt aboutbeing open |
| 11:51.18 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: unless you are writing kernel drivers, you don't have direct access to the hardware anyway. |
| 11:51.33 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: it depends on the API of the VM. |
| 11:51.43 | brundlefliege | SpeedEvil: you mean because we use the system call abstraction? |
| 11:51.45 | raster | they blow the "open source" and "linux" trumpet horm |
| 11:51.45 | raster | for publicity |
| 11:51.45 | raster | but as such - it wont be more open than nokia's n8xx and n7xx |
| 11:51.45 | raster | if anything maybe less |
| 11:52.12 | raster | SpeedEvil: yes you do! root can do anything... with some well practiced mmap("/dev/mem"...) action |
| 11:52.34 | raster | and i i think from 2.6.25 interrupts can be exported to userspace now |
| 11:52.41 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: If it's flexible enough to let you do 'anything' and override system software, and access any hardware you like, then not having direct access to the hardware. |
| 11:52.46 | raster | though a small kernel module could do that for a userspace driver anyway |
| 11:53.00 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: If it's flexible enough to let you do 'anything' and override system software, and access any hardware you like, then not having direct access to the hardware and being in a VM isn't an isssue apart from speed |
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| 11:53.49 | SpeedEvil | With the VM being flexible enough to allow the user to pick what each program can do to others. |
| 11:54.27 | leinir | A while since i asked it last, and people have woken up ;) What am i doing wrong when i try and boot from an SD prepared as shown on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card#Create_Bootable_SD_Card_.28GTA02.29 and get told that "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2)" |
| 11:54.45 | leinir | (and sorry for interrupting the ongoing discussion :) ) |
| 11:54.53 | SpeedEvil | Consider the silly case of the freerunner running x86 openmoko under qemy. |
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| 11:55.02 | SpeedEvil | It's just as open. |
| 11:56.44 | leinir | This is all happening on a Freerunner :) |
| 11:57.32 | Tanuva | May I run any qt-app on the asu image or do I have to compile it against some special qtopia lib? |
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| 11:58.42 | SpeedEvil | leinir: you've got the filesystem you're using on SD built into the kernel? |
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| 12:00.20 | leinir | SpeedEvil: Well, since the uImage.bin i'm using is the one from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080709/, i should hope so :) |
| 12:00.35 | leinir | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080709/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin <-- That one to be exact :) |
| 12:02.17 | SpeedEvil | (I've never done this) does the kernel say something about mmc cards on boot? |
| 12:03.11 | leinir | Hmm... i'll try and take a picture, see if there's any info that's escaping me :) |
| 12:06.06 | IXian-Probe | oh, have you checked that sylinder 0 on the MMC isn't defect? |
| 12:06.38 | IXian-Probe | because if so, it's unbootable. |
| 12:06.51 | chillywilly | so is there an SMS app? |
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| 12:07.48 | SpeedEvil | Your best plan would be enlisting someone with a clue. |
| 12:07.48 | SpeedEvil | Have you looked on the mailing lists and wiki? |
| 12:08.57 | SpeedEvil | chillywilly: there is - in the default shipped image. |
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| 12:09.17 | chillywilly | ok, so is the wiki out of date then? |
| 12:09.40 | chillywilly | or are you referring to the SMSTool? |
| 12:09.40 | SpeedEvil | The safe answer to that is always yes. |
| 12:09.52 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 12:09.58 | chillywilly | ok |
| 12:10.03 | SpeedEvil | With the shipped image you can make calls and do SMS. |
| 12:10.16 | SpeedEvil | Not very reliably, but you can. |
| 12:10.45 | chillywilly | calling and SMS is unreliable? |
| 12:11.20 | Tanuva | except on fso... |
| 12:11.29 | chillywilly | too many images ;) |
| 12:11.39 | chillywilly | what image is actually shipped then? |
| 12:11.46 | chillywilly | asu? |
| 12:12.07 | CVirus | 2007.2 I guess |
| 12:12.13 | Tuju | i saw that steven said that ASU is alpha stage |
| 12:12.35 | raster | asu is... asu |
| 12:12.39 | chillywilly | ok |
| 12:12.43 | raster | i dont know how to describe it |
| 12:12.54 | CVirus | chillywilly: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
| 12:13.02 | leinir | My bootup error: http://leinir.dk/temp/gallery/pictures/boot-error.jpg |
| 12:13.12 | chillywilly | is there an image that is actually the future direction? |
| 12:13.41 | leinir | IXian-Probe: How'd i check that? |
| 12:13.42 | Tanuva | fso seems to be the far future, asu the nearer |
| 12:14.33 | chillywilly | ok, thanks for the info |
| 12:14.36 | raster | leinir: i see your problem. your freerunner is suffering from a babylon 5 distortion field |
| 12:14.56 | Tuju | leinir: we could get your fingerprint from that pic... |
| 12:15.00 | leinir | raster: Yeah, i hear that causes much disturbance in local gateways ;) |
| 12:15.35 | leinir | Tuju: Well yes, and i've nothing that uses biometry ;) |
| 12:16.17 | MrShleee | Any truth in the GPS failures? |
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| 12:17.19 | SpeedEvil | MrShleee: at least three people have come in here after following sane debugging steps not gotten a signal. |
| 12:17.56 | SpeedEvil | MrShleee: as far as I know, none yet have tried reseating the antenna internally, or external antennas. |
| 12:18.13 | IXian-Probe | leinir: I'm not sure. Try repartition the MMC with fdisk or cfdisk. create two partitions where the first partition is 1 cylinder large, and the second whatever size you need. Save the partitiontable and then delete the first partition and resave. |
| 12:18.32 | leinir | IXian-Probe: Right, i'll give that one a shot, thanks :) |
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| 12:18.51 | IXian-Probe | MrShleee: depends. Most of us have unreasonable expectations i suspect ^_^ |
| 12:19.21 | IXian-Probe | MrShleee: but hw related problems can't be ruled out. |
| 12:20.02 | raster | i've never seen my fr's get a gps fix |
| 12:20.11 | IXian-Probe | leinir: then format the partion and store som data on it.. and run fsck |
| 12:20.30 | trupheenix | Weiss: i can't figure out why the QeMU doesn't work for me. it just stalls halfway with a jffs2 error. any suggestions? |
| 12:20.35 | IXian-Probe | raster: gone outdoors and lett it "roast" in the sun for about 30 minuttes? |
| 12:21.05 | Tanuva | raster: I had one after 200secs few hours ago |
| 12:21.12 | IXian-Probe | raster: there are some sw problems with gpsd btw.. so I've had gpsd mysteriously die on me while using tangogps |
| 12:22.02 | trupheenix | wait |
| 12:22.05 | raster | IXian-Probe: no. as i'm always tethered with a usb cable tomy laptopfor hacking |
| 12:22.06 | trupheenix | what am i hearing? |
| 12:22.12 | trupheenix | the GPS isn't good ? :( |
| 12:22.13 | torpor | hey guys .. is it still required to 'fix links' if you use opkg to install at a destination other than / ? |
| 12:22.17 | IXian-Probe | raster: use the agps-ui to test it, disable gpsd and any other gps software while you do. I suspect gps-sight isn't that friendly with gpsd/agps-ui either. |
| 12:22.21 | trupheenix | i just ordered a GTA02 today :( |
| 12:22.28 | torpor | is there some 'fix link' tool, i seem to remember there is, but i forgot what its called .. |
| 12:23.01 | IXian-Probe | trupheenix: now now, don't make a molehill into a mountain. Don't get cold feet, after all it might just be user-related or sw related. |
| 12:23.36 | brundlefliege | the gps thing makes me sad i hope it is software not hardware |
| 12:24.13 | trupheenix | IXian-Probe: hmmm... |
| 12:24.13 | SpeedEvil | nezticle: brund: unlikely |
| 12:24.19 | Tanuva | I just installed gcc/g++ on my neo - but where do they get installed? they dont seem to be in the $PATH... |
| 12:24.39 | MrShleee | SpeedEvil: ok, depending on how many units are in the field. Hopefully some production errors at worst. |
| 12:24.39 | IXian-Probe | trupheenix: and the A- in AGPS makes it possible to use sofware tricks to help getting a fix. there has been greatly improvments in ffix just by "informing" the gps chipset on what hemisphere your currently on ;) |
| 12:24.51 | SpeedEvil | IXian-Probe: brunde: the problem is that several people have foudn thtat cat /dev/ttySAC1 results in output from the GPS, but no valid fix. |
| 12:25.14 | trupheenix | fantastic :) so i get a black box with a gps chipset which i need to program. EXACTLY what I wanted :) |
| 12:25.21 | torpor | Tanuva: Tanuva usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc |
| 12:25.24 | IXian-Probe | SpeedEvil: yeah, I've done the cat /dev/ttySAC1 myself. The output _is_ garbage until a FFIX has been achieved. |
| 12:25.25 | torpor | Tanuva: /usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc |
| 12:25.44 | torpor | anyone: does opkg -d card require me to 'fix links'? |
| 12:25.51 | SpeedEvil | IXian-Probe: yes - but it's not garbage in the sense that it could be corrupt |
| 12:26.09 | IXian-Probe | trupheenix: but, if it's a hw related problem we as a community just have to start looking into how to DIY a fractal GPS antenna ;) |
| 12:26.11 | SpeedEvil | IXian-Probe: it's simply odd output from the chip, and is easy to see it's not of itself corrupt. |
| 12:26.28 | Tanuva | torpor: its not there... |
| 12:26.29 | SpeedEvil | IXian-Probe: as all of the chips do that, even the working ones. |
| 12:26.59 | IXian-Probe | SpeedEvil: ahh, I understand. I stand corrected, corrupted data -- not garbage data. |
| 12:27.00 | SpeedEvil | If it's a hardware problem, you return the phone before the warranty runs out IMO. |
| 12:27.21 | torpor | anyone know where to get gvsig from? |
| 12:27.23 | IXian-Probe | SpeedEvil: hmm.. 10 Days left on my warranty ^_^ |
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| 12:28.21 | Ainulindale | Hmpf, dbus is complaining about the X11 support |
| 12:28.47 | trupheenix | IXian-Probe: strange there would be a h/w problem with the GPS because the 1973 also had a GPS on it and apparently it did work. so it would b terrible if the GPS isn't working correctly on this one. |
| 12:29.05 | Ainulindale | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.10 | Ainulindale | Seems it doesn't like that |
| 12:29.26 | SpeedEvil | true: unfortunately, the GPS has completely changed. |
| 12:29.31 | SpeedEvil | tru: |
| 12:29.39 | torpor | gPS blows on the neo1973 .. it takes forever to get a fix. that said though, i got my first log file from tangogps today during the drive to work. |
| 12:29.50 | SpeedEvil | unfortunately - if there was an open-source driver for the chipset that is. |
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| 12:30.13 | Dave | yo speedy |
| 12:30.19 | SpeedEvil | Meh. |
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| 12:30.26 | Dave | Have you tried a USB camera with the phone yet? |
| 12:30.52 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: No. |
| 12:30.58 | Dave | Hrm, alright. |
| 12:31.11 | SpeedEvil | I don't ATM have a FR. |
| 12:31.26 | SpeedEvil | And haven't tried it on the neo. |
| 12:31.37 | Dave | Okay :) |
| 12:31.51 | SpeedEvil | I've been concentrating on designing a BT cam :) |
| 12:31.57 | Dave | Ah! |
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| 12:32.10 | Dave | Would the tx rate suck though? |
| 12:32.15 | Dave | wouldn't |
| 12:33.08 | Weiss | trupheenix: can't help much with qemu i'm afraid - i've only played with it a little |
| 12:33.33 | Weiss | trupheenix: r.e. GPS, take a look at the 'GPS' thread on OM-Community - there's a lot of different results. some people have it working really well, others have problems |
| 12:33.36 | IXian-Probe | trupheenix: not the same gps chipset |
| 12:34.15 | IXian-Probe | SpeedEvil: the hammerhead chipset (neo1973) was a proprietary hack if I remember correctly. |
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| 12:44.45 | Dave | Speedevil, I am interested to see how well your camera works out :) |
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| 12:46.28 | trupheenix | Weiss: is Qemu important at all? i mean as long as i can flash the device it's fine right? |
| 12:47.20 | Wander_w | qemu is rather more convenient |
| 12:47.21 | leinir | damnit... still broken... |
| 12:47.36 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7074dd2dd340 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 193 |
| 12:47.41 | Dave | hoi Wander :] |
| 12:48.13 | Dave | reversion? |
| 12:48.55 | Dave | That makes no sense. |
| 12:49.34 | Tanuva | revision is ment |
| 12:49.43 | trupheenix | Wander_w: but i can't figure out why it's not working for me :( |
| 12:49.44 | Dave | Yeah, that's what I thought :p |
| 12:50.01 | Dave | por Wander_w |
| 12:50.20 | Dave | ecraven! |
| 12:50.25 | Dave | pesters ecraven |
| 12:51.29 | ecraven | Dave: hey ;) |
| 12:51.31 | ecraven | what's up? |
| 12:51.40 | Dave | Yeah, what's goning on? :D |
| 12:51.50 | Dave | So I was playing with the python script the other day |
| 12:51.53 | ecraven | thinking about replacing the entire ui ;) i don't like it too much |
| 12:51.57 | Dave | only some minor developments there |
| 12:51.58 | Dave | Yeah :D |
| 12:52.01 | Dave | Agreed :] |
| 12:52.11 | Dave | Then I'd like to package it :) |
| 12:52.12 | ecraven | we need something fast |
| 12:52.17 | Dave | Ideally. |
| 12:52.36 | HauDyrArb | ecraven, Ncurses is fast |
| 12:52.43 | Tanuva | asu uses gstreamer like the gtk stack, doesnt it? |
| 12:52.47 | Dave | haha |
| 12:52.49 | ecraven | HauDyrArb: bit more graphics would be nice |
| 12:53.03 | HauDyrArb | ok |
| 12:53.04 | Dave | actual gui, haudryab :P |
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| 12:54.21 | Dave | Let's have at it, Mr. Craven! |
| 12:54.22 | ecraven | i'd like something with exit buttons, i hate the way you can't stop applications |
| 12:54.33 | ecraven | Dave: aye, but i have no idea how things work, or how to change anything.. |
| 12:54.38 | Dave | Oh ~_~ |
| 12:54.44 | Dave | You mean, other than the interface? :P |
| 12:55.08 | Dave | Alright maybe I'll look into that, I have a better understanding, I believe, of how the reads were happening from the devices, etc. |
| 12:55.19 | Dave | I honestly had less of a clue about the gui :D |
| 12:55.25 | Dave | go team! |
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| 12:55.37 | ecraven | have you succeeded in recompiling neod? |
| 12:55.53 | Dave | no |
| 12:56.16 | Dave | but I succeeded in setting it up the bomb, yesterday :D |
| 12:56.33 | Dave | haha ecraven, have you ever tried killing neod -9 when it's backgrounded? |
| 12:56.37 | Tanuva | when is it gonna kaboom? :) |
| 12:56.43 | Dave | hilarious panic screen :D |
| 12:56.53 | Dave | SEKRET FUNNIEZ |
| 12:56.57 | Tanuva | *g* |
| 12:57.07 | Tanuva | sounds like rm -rf /* |
| 12:57.07 | Dave | though lulz might be more appropriate, though yes, it was mildly museful |
| 12:57.15 | SpeedEvil | IXian-Probe: yes - but in principle, it could have had an open-source driver. |
| 12:57.20 | Dave | though all recovery efforts failed and the device had to be rebooted :D |
| 12:57.24 | Dave | Tanuva, nah |
| 12:57.33 | Dave | Reboot and it's fine :P |
| 12:57.43 | Dave | though yeah not with my failed compilation though ;) |
| 12:57.56 | Tanuva | heeh |
| 12:58.06 | SpeedEvil | IXian-Probe: there was a project to reverse engineer it, which was showing some results. |
| 12:58.21 | SpeedEvil | IXian-Probe: But, it stalled when the new GPS chip choice was announced. |
| 12:58.35 | Dave | knuffelt leinir |
| 12:58.49 | ecraven | Dave: no, i just killed it, that brought down the x server |
| 12:58.52 | leinir | Meep! :) |
| 12:58.56 | Dave | right |
| 12:58.59 | Dave | leinir :) |
| 12:59.08 | Dave | ecraven, did you see the funny message though? |
| 12:59.24 | Tanuva | Dave: german? :D |
| 12:59.44 | Dave | Tanuva: dutch? :D |
| 13:00.08 | Dave | Too many germans in here ~_~ |
| 13:00.14 | Tanuva | ah, sounds quite similar... :) |
| 13:00.26 | Dave | ja |
| 13:00.38 | Dave | not really :P |
| 13:01.08 | ecraven | Dave: no, i didn't look very closely |
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| 13:01.37 | Wander_w | ow Dave is spamming the channel again |
| 13:02.25 | Dave | :( |
| 13:02.33 | Dave | Negatory! |
| 13:02.38 | HauDyrArb | heh |
| 13:03.12 | Wander_w | flooding it then :P |
| 13:03.39 | leinir | IXian-Probe: i'm told there are no errors on the card anywhere... |
| 13:04.03 | IXian-Probe | leinir: then it probably isn't mmc card failure. sorry |
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| 13:04.42 | leinir | *nods* i'm sure i'm just missing something somewhere, but... i don't see what |
| 13:05.18 | SpeedEvil | Note your problem in a seperate page. |
| 13:05.23 | SpeedEvil | err o |
| 13:05.25 | Dave | What's wrong Leinir? |
| 13:05.28 | SpeedEvil | ont he booting from SD page |
| 13:05.32 | Dave | ecraven, I'm going over the script now |
| 13:05.36 | SpeedEvil | In a new section. |
| 13:05.55 | leinir | Dave: i can't boot my freerunner from SD, i get http://leinir.dk/temp/gallery/pictures/boot-error.jpg |
| 13:06.03 | Dave | Why should it scan for APs, isn't that by far what takes it the longest to start? *hiss* |
| 13:06.12 | Dave | leinir, rut roh |
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| 13:06.18 | leinir | Dave: Indeed |
| 13:06.23 | leinir | SpeedEvil: How d'ya mean? :) |
| 13:06.29 | Dave | someone's been naughty :p |
| 13:07.02 | SpeedEvil | leinir: edit the booting from SD, detailing your woes. |
| 13:07.16 | leinir | *nods* Right :) |
| 13:07.33 | leinir | Now, my real problem is that i don't quite understand the instructions... |
| 13:07.52 | leinir | Creating the bootable SD is simple enough, as is getting it to boot from both NAND and NOR |
| 13:07.54 | Dave | unknown blocks! |
| 13:07.56 | leinir | But... |
| 13:08.11 | ecraven | Dave: to do what? |
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| 13:08.26 | leinir | Every other bit of information on that page goes directly over my head |
| 13:08.30 | Dave | Ecraven, what? |
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| 13:08.43 | ecraven | i don't get unknown blocks any longer, it just boots from the internal drive, even though i tell it to boot from the ssd |
| 13:08.45 | Dave | leinir, *whoosh*? :) |
| 13:08.51 | ecraven | Dave: what are you looking at? which script? |
| 13:08.55 | Dave | ecraven: shitty :p |
| 13:08.59 | leinir | Dave: Indeed |
| 13:09.00 | Dave | ecraven, gta02.py :P |
| 13:09.04 | ecraven | Dave: ;) |
| 13:09.14 | richie23 | short qemu question: how to launch the "qemu monitor"? |
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| 13:10.24 | richie23 | the wiki says about qemu with usb gadget: "the qemu monitor commands "info usbslave" and "usb_add gadget" will be useful." |
| 13:10.33 | richie23 | but how can i get the qemu monitor? |
| 13:10.45 | Wander_w | richie23: um... I think it's alt-F2 or Alt-2 or something |
| 13:10.47 | richie23 | openmoko/qemu-gadget.sh does not work with mokomakefile qemu |
| 13:11.07 | Dave | whee, I've made an open-source vibrator :P |
| 13:11.12 | Dave | why is this so amazing? |
| 13:11.13 | Wander_w | (when you have qemu running) |
| 13:11.19 | musse | Can i download ASU sources from somewhere? |
| 13:11.31 | Dave | musse, Yes. |
| 13:12.05 | ChandleWEi | I'm openmoko newbie ,how to ssh my openmoko? |
| 13:12.10 | richie23 | hmm, alt-f2 is "run application" and alt-2 does nothing in qemu X window and changes terminal tab in gnome terminal ; ) |
| 13:12.40 | musse | i didn't find them from the http://svn.openmoko.org/. |
| 13:12.46 | Dave | Chandle, see USB_Networking on the Openmoko.org wiki. |
| 13:12.48 | ecraven | hm.. the mokomakefile bails on localedef hu_HU |
| 13:12.55 | Dave | heehee, huhu |
| 13:13.00 | richie23 | ah, alt-ctrl-2 works, thx |
| 13:13.45 | Wander_w | richie23: ah yes... that is even in the manual file :) |
| 13:13.47 | ChandleWEi | Dave: thx |
| 13:13.57 | Dave | :] |
| 13:14.02 | musse | So where could i find them? |
| 13:14.13 | Dave | dwaze ~_~ |
| 13:14.16 | richie23 | usb gadget is still not working though : ( |
| 13:14.37 | richie23 | gadget_read: event error: 22 |
| 13:14.37 | richie23 | gadget_read: read error |
| 13:14.37 | richie23 | s3c_udc_handle_packet: EP0 overrun |
| 13:14.37 | richie23 | gadget_read: unhandled event: 50333312 |
| 13:14.37 | richie23 | gadget_read: event error: 51 |
| 13:15.26 | Dave | wants to install cowpanic on his freerunner. |
| 13:15.28 | richie23 | i am using mokomakefile with flash-qemu-official and added -usbgadget to the qemu line |
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| 13:16.06 | Wander_w | musse: use mokomakefile |
| 13:16.10 | Wander_w | musse: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomakefile |
| 13:16.22 | Wander_w | "If you want to make the ASU, at this point you need to edit your Makefile. Change:" |
| 13:16.44 | Wander_w | OM_GIT_BRANCHÂ := org.openmoko.dev to say: OM_GIT_BRANCHÂ := org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 13:17.27 | musse | ty! |
| 13:17.30 | richie23 | btw @mokomakefile: i have not changed anything but left OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.dev - still i get an qtopia image when running "download-images"... |
| 13:17.32 | Wander_w | np! |
| 13:17.55 | Dave | ^_^ |
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| 13:19.29 | richie23 | Ainulindale: any further hints on usb gadget support for qemu? i get the same errors when using mokomakefile as before : ( |
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| 13:22.37 | ecraven | hehe, running out of harddisk space explains why my build process failed.. |
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| 13:22.54 | Wander_w | ecraven: hmm... yeah, that may be a problem :P |
| 13:23.27 | Dave | je zuigt! :P |
| 13:23.36 | gmaxwell | Has anyone who ordered on the 3rd from the store received their FR yet? :) |
| 13:24.35 | ecraven | hm.. why does libgsmd-tool --help sl segfault? |
| 13:24.44 | Dave | :x |
| 13:24.47 | MarcOChapeau | gmaxwell: I had to order in april to get mine :-p |
| 13:25.21 | gmaxwell | hehe My GTA01 took months too.. alas. |
| 13:25.53 | Wander_w | ecraven: because you ran out of discspace? |
| 13:26.36 | ecraven | Wander_w: unrelated, i run that on the phone. i compile on my host machine |
| 13:27.04 | Wander_w | ecraven: yeah, but what you compiled on your host machine is what you run on your phone right? |
| 13:27.04 | richie23 | i am waiting for my freerunner, too - i hoped i could test with qemu, but every attempt to get any kind of network between host and qemu-neo failed |
| 13:27.29 | richie23 | hopefully the real device works better than qemu which looks quite bad to me : ( |
| 13:28.02 | MarcOChapeau | richie23: networking with qemu can be a bit tricky, but it does work when you follow the stuff on the wiki |
| 13:28.55 | richie23 | i tried both approaches (that what the qemu page in the wiki says and mokomakefile) and both fail with the following |
| 13:28.58 | richie23 | gadget_read: event error: 22 |
| 13:28.59 | richie23 | gadget_read: read error |
| 13:28.59 | richie23 | s3c_udc_handle_packet: EP0 overrun |
| 13:28.59 | richie23 | gadget_read: unhandled event: 50333312 |
| 13:28.59 | richie23 | gadget_read: event error: 51 |
| 13:29.19 | richie23 | images Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080430-om-gta01.rootfs and Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080625-om-gta01.rootfs |
| 13:29.30 | MarcOChapeau | richie23: oh, sounds bad... |
| 13:29.44 | richie23 | btw the last one does not do anything sensible after booting |
| 13:30.34 | richie23 | the 20080430 devel image is the only one that works sensible at least as it is - but no network, too : ( |
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| 13:30.46 | Ainulindale | richie23: it's weird, I don't know what I could do to help you, sorry |
| 13:31.16 | flexd | hmm |
| 13:31.21 | ecraven | Wander_w: not yet ;) |
| 13:31.22 | flexd | Im wondering what i've done wrong |
| 13:31.27 | ecraven | hm.. why can't i power off bluetooth?? |
| 13:31.27 | flexd | my FR is at a 4~ load average |
| 13:31.33 | flexd | and it's slow, and it |
| 13:31.37 | flexd | it's not running anything. |
| 13:32.02 | MarcOChapeau | ecraven: most of the gui stuff obviously has issues |
| 13:32.05 | Wander_w | flexd: Did you install Windows Vista on it? |
| 13:32.10 | flexd | top says events/0 is using 23% CPU |
| 13:32.11 | flexd | Wander_w: yes! |
| 13:32.15 | flexd | How did you know? :o |
| 13:32.23 | Wander_w | flexd: well, there's your problem! |
| 13:32.25 | leinir | Now there's your prahblem! ;) |
| 13:32.27 | flexd | what is avahi-daemon and neod? |
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| 13:32.39 | flexd | I actually run vista on this machine, works great. |
| 13:32.42 | flexd | It's vista |
| 13:32.45 | flexd | so you know, not nice |
| 13:32.46 | flexd | But it works |
| 13:32.47 | Wander_w | avahi-deamon is the "zero config" service |
| 13:32.51 | flexd | hmm |
| 13:33.12 | flexd | but what is neod and events/0? |
| 13:33.16 | Wander_w | neod... I believe it does stuff specific for the neo |
| 13:33.24 | ecraven | MarcOChapeau: i can't even turn it off by echo 0 > power_on in /sys/...neo1973-pm-bt.0/.. |
| 13:33.29 | Tanuva | load is ~2.3 here... cpu idling. |
| 13:33.38 | ecraven | neod should *not* open all input/event* |
| 13:33.42 | flexd | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.28 | richie23 | Ainulindale: what exact image were you using with usb gadget working? |
| 13:34.29 | flexd | this is with gps, gsm, wifi and bluetooth turned off |
| 13:34.41 | Ainulindale | richie23: all of them :-) |
| 13:35.06 | Ainulindale | richie23: and it should work for you using make flash-qemu-official |
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| 13:35.27 | ecraven | can i somehow tell the mokomakefile not to build *all* locales? |
| 13:35.39 | richie23 | i did that - but that does not define what image is used, it just takes that what was downloaded before |
| 13:36.27 | Ainulindale | You did build your own image ? |
| 13:37.13 | richie23 | no - please do not recommend this process that takes ages, does not work behind proxies and always fails somewhere in the middle because of one faulty line of code in one of thousands of packages : ((( |
| 13:37.33 | Ainulindale | It was a simple question don't worry :-) |
| 13:37.38 | richie23 | and even is not capable of resuming after download errors or compile errors... |
| 13:37.40 | edistar_ | ecraven: yes you can |
| 13:37.46 | richie23 | ok |
| 13:37.46 | ecraven | edistar_: how? |
| 13:37.54 | edistar_ | ecraven: can't remember :) |
| 13:38.03 | richie23 | sry, but i am really disappointed by the error handling of mokomakefile |
| 13:38.24 | Ainulindale | ecraven: GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = "en_US.UTF-8 fr_FR.UTF-8" |
| 13:38.27 | Ainulindale | (for me) |
| 13:38.33 | Wander_w | richie23: well... IMHO it SHOULDN'T handle errors |
| 13:38.43 | Wander_w | (errors == bad) |
| 13:38.50 | Ainulindale | ecraven: build/conf/local.conf |
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| 13:39.29 | richie23 | Wander_w: very funny, you mean 10 hours of compilations for nothing are ok if one download server fails afterwards??? |
| 13:39.57 | Ainulindale | richie23: use bitbake then |
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| 13:39.58 | richie23 | it may not be that bad every time, but happended enough times to really annoy me |
| 13:40.06 | Wander_w | richie23: what else should it do? |
| 13:40.22 | richie23 | continue where it was interrupted? |
| 13:40.40 | Wander_w | richie23: that is what it should do |
| 13:40.41 | richie23 | not thinking that a broken download worked and then fail at unpacking... |
| 13:40.46 | Wander_w | (and it does, for me) |
| 13:41.16 | ecraven | Ainulindale: thanks! |
| 13:41.22 | Ainulindale | ecraven: you're welcome |
| 13:42.18 | richie23 | it does continue if it fails "at the right time" - downloads that fail at 50 % or so are definitely the wrong time : ( |
| 13:42.27 | richie23 | unfortunately i do not have perfect internet access here |
| 13:42.37 | Ainulindale | richie23: use bitbake then (again) |
| 13:42.38 | HauDyrArb | wget -r |
| 13:42.42 | HauDyrArb | wget -r -c |
| 13:43.10 | Wander_w | richie23: don't blame mokomakefile for your faulty internetconnection |
| 13:43.40 | richie23 | well, i seem to have a different view of under what circumstances mokomakefile should work... |
| 13:44.20 | richie23 | anyway, i would be pleased if running a gta01 image on gta01 qemu with any kind of working network connection between host and qemu would work |
| 13:44.40 | richie23 | this _should_ be quite simple, but both pppd and gadgetfs continue to fail here |
| 13:44.47 | Wander_w | richie23: apparently we do.. but hey, it's opensource and you are free to improve :) |
| 13:45.03 | richie23 | i would like to do - if there was one point to work on |
| 13:45.05 | Ainulindale | richie23: boot qemu with -serial stdio |
| 13:45.12 | Ainulindale | And put the result on pastebin |
| 13:45.25 | Ainulindale | (modify Makefile on run-qemu for that) |
| 13:45.30 | richie23 | every time one approch failed, a second, third and fourth is presented - that does not motivate to improve one of them : ( |
| 13:45.33 | Ainulindale | (and check that you really have -usb -usbgadget |
| 13:45.44 | richie23 | Ainulindale: i'll do that, one moment |
| 13:45.59 | Ainulindale | richie23: http://pastebin.com/m31c16b09 |
| 13:46.01 | Ainulindale | Mine |
| 13:46.07 | leinir | right - to make this work would i need to do as described here? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card#Boot_enviorment_.28GTA02.29 |
| 13:46.24 | leinir | As in, to get a freerunner out of the box to boot from a properly prepated bootable SD card |
| 13:50.01 | richie23 | Ainulindale: i have exactly the same qemu line now - what does serial stdio do? i did not see a change up to now |
| 13:50.44 | Ainulindale | richie23: it outputs the kernel output on stdio |
| 13:51.17 | Tanuva | If possible, how do I combine the Qt build system (qmake) with the OM Toolchain? |
| 13:51.23 | Ainulindale | And if you can put the whole log, starting from the make run-qemu I could try to help you |
| 13:51.27 | Tanuva | (-> to build a qt app for the neo) |
| 13:51.46 | richie23 | well, that happended before, too... |
| 13:51.55 | richie23 | http://pastebin.com/m664432b3 |
| 13:52.52 | Ainulindale | And now if you type in usb_add gadget:1 on the console ? |
| 13:52.56 | Ainulindale | (qemu console) |
| 13:53.02 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r2e387044089a 10/packages/gtk+/ (13 files in 2 dirs): [gtk+] add the latest version of gtk+ |
| 13:53.02 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * ra64fb4177283 10/packages/glib-2.0/ (glib-2.0-2.16.4/configure-libtool.patch glib-2.0_2.16.4.bb): [glib-2.0] add the latest version of glib |
| 13:53.02 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r688e844b11f2 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [pref-versions] update the gtk+ version used to the latest. |
| 13:53.04 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r1d2ffa9abf44 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: [openmoko] remove all ${MACHINE_CLASS} settings, they are no longer |
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| 13:53.37 | Dave | Hail! |
| 13:53.52 | leinir | curtsies :) |
| 13:53.54 | richie23 | http://pastebin.com/m69652d08 |
| 13:54.00 | Wander_w | uh-oh... it's back |
| 13:54.10 | Dave | :D |
| 13:54.39 | Wander_w | Dave: No, not you, my boss |
| 13:54.49 | Ainulindale | richie23: the whole log :-) |
| 13:55.00 | Dave | Oh :P |
| 13:55.04 | Ainulindale | It's supposed to output some detection I think |
| 13:55.09 | Dave | Hallo Ainulindale :) |
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| 13:55.20 | linux_manju | Hi All |
| 13:55.28 | Ainulindale | Dave: hi |
| 13:55.34 | Ainulindale | richie23: s3c_udc_handle_packet: EP0 overrun |
| 13:55.34 | Ainulindale | usb0: full speed config #1: 500 mA, Ethernet Gadget, using CDC Ethernet |
| 13:55.36 | Ainulindale | Mine. |
| 13:55.51 | Dave | Ecraven? |
| 13:55.51 | ecraven | aye? |
| 13:55.55 | linux_manju | I am planning to buy Neo Free runner |
| 13:55.56 | Dave | :D |
| 13:56.16 | SpeedEvil | linux_manju: And you shall be granted everlasting life! |
| 13:56.29 | SpeedEvil | linux_manju: or at least it'll seem so while you build the software. |
| 13:56.29 | linux_manju | :) |
| 13:56.29 | Ainulindale | richie23: If you compiled your modules as modules and not within the kernel, if you could check that lsmod outputs cdc_ether, gadgetfs, dummy_hcd and usbnet... |
| 13:56.39 | Dave | Ecraven, so what have you been up to? |
| 13:56.48 | Dave | Speedevil :) |
| 13:57.12 | linux_manju | I need few inputs on the same.. Like 1) how good is the battery backup |
| 13:57.30 | linux_manju | 2) How good is the sound output ( In comparision to Iphone ) |
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| 13:57.39 | SpeedEvil | Battery life is a work in progress. |
| 13:57.43 | ecraven | libgsmd-tool -m shell sl segfaults in libc... |
| 13:57.46 | Dave | pictures a Freerunner in place of the holy grail a la Indiana Jones; where you're stuck using it in that room (with no wifi or gsm), for the rest of your life :P |
| 13:58.05 | ecraven | running the mokomakefile, will take some more hours.. then i hope to get a neod that works correctly |
| 13:58.08 | SpeedEvil | At the moment, 6h or so - maybe more, but not stable. |
| 13:58.35 | linux_manju | SpeedEvil: 6 Hours standby or Talk time? |
| 13:58.52 | SpeedEvil | Battery life should improve - it looks like a week standby, 7 or 8 hours on a call, and 20 hours mp3 should be possible. |
| 13:58.52 | Dave | ecraven, with what options does it segv? |
| 13:58.55 | ecraven | exactly what i said ;) |
| 13:58.56 | linux_manju | SpeedEvil: Not bad |
| 13:59.00 | ecraven | run libgsmd-tool -m shell |
| 13:59.01 | SpeedEvil | linux_manju: suspend is not properly implemented at teh moment - it crashes. |
| 13:59.03 | ecraven | then type sl |
| 13:59.10 | ecraven | followed by return |
| 13:59.27 | richie23 | Module Size Used by |
| 13:59.27 | richie23 | cdc_ether 5888 0 |
| 13:59.27 | richie23 | usbnet 18056 1 cdc_ether |
| 13:59.27 | richie23 | tun 11136 1 |
| 13:59.27 | richie23 | gadgetfs 17936 2 |
| 13:59.28 | richie23 | dummy_hcd 17284 1 gadgetfs |
| 13:59.30 | linux_manju | SpeedEvil: Thanks for the input |
| 14:00.11 | Dave | I just did |
| 14:00.11 | ecraven | does it work? |
| 14:00.11 | linux_manju | SpeedEvil: Any idea about stereo sound output? |
| 14:00.11 | Dave | hah, yeah, no. |
| 14:00.11 | ecraven | do you get a list of sms? |
| 14:00.11 | richie23 | Ainulindale: what do you mean by whole log? that was qemu log |
| 14:00.11 | linux_manju | SpeedEvil: In coparision with Iphone? |
| 14:00.11 | Dave | List SMS... then Segmentation fault. |
| 14:00.11 | Dave | :) |
| 14:00.11 | ecraven | same here |
| 14:00.11 | dos1 | linux_manju: at the moment this 6h was for standby time |
| 14:00.11 | Dave | right |
| 14:00.15 | Dave | crappy :p |
| 14:00.16 | Ainulindale | richie23: from the last line of what you pasted before |
| 14:00.20 | SpeedEvil | Battery life at teh moment is very much a work in progress. Currently suspend is broken, so you get 6-12 hours depending on what's on. The hardware appears capable of doing a week standby, with 20 hours mp3, and 5 hours+ talk time. |
| 14:00.23 | ecraven | i tried gdb, but it only shows one frame, directly in libc.so |
| 14:00.35 | Dave | Any ideas as to the cause, or are you just going to rebuilt the whole thing? |
| 14:00.37 | MrShlee | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_file_systems&oldid=220529437#Features |
| 14:00.38 | Dave | hmm |
| 14:00.41 | SpeedEvil | linux_manju: there is one speaker ATM |
| 14:00.48 | dos1 | but if you'll get suspend working it will increase to something about 20h |
| 14:00.48 | richie23 | host machine: http://pastebin.com/m5ef9f691 |
| 14:00.51 | ecraven | Dave: no idea, i just wanted to send an sms ;) |
| 14:00.55 | Dave | hah! |
| 14:01.00 | SpeedEvil | linux_manju: though you gcan get stereo fro the headset and A2DP |
| 14:01.03 | Dave | oh, holy on a sec :D |
| 14:01.06 | SpeedEvil | Dave: what's your maximum uptime? |
| 14:01.27 | richie23 | http://pastebin.com/ma22033e - there is no more! |
| 14:01.28 | beni_ | is suspend in the works? how much is battery performance priorized at the moment? (when to expect "good" images?) |
| 14:01.32 | linux_manju | SpeedEvil: Lets Say If I connect my Senhieser head gear.. |
| 14:01.45 | linux_manju | SpeedEvil: Will it sound as good as an Iphone/Ipod? |
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| 14:02.15 | Dave | hah |
| 14:02.17 | ecraven | hm.. where exactly is the microphone? inside the hollow space? or are there two microphones on the lower sides? |
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| 14:02.19 | SpeedEvil | linux_manju: I think so - but I haven't seen any test. |
| 14:02.20 | Dave | Speedevil, elaborate. |
| 14:02.28 | Dave | Ecraven, I found more bugs in gta02.py :x |
| 14:02.40 | linux_manju | SpeedEvil: Great.. Thanks alot |
| 14:02.44 | Dave | It definitely needs some work if we want it to be goood :P |
| 14:02.47 | ecraven | Dave: what? |
| 14:02.48 | SpeedEvil | Dave: the uptime you've seen on battery - what's the max? |
| 14:02.59 | Ainulindale | richie23: and if you do a ifconfig -a, there's no usb device ? |
| 14:03.02 | Dave | plus I think we should add to it making it a more robust informational tool for the frerunner :D |
| 14:03.15 | ecraven | Dave: yes, i want better information on all interfaces that are up |
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| 14:03.21 | Dave | Speedy, max battery, as in, just sitting there, powered on? |
| 14:03.26 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: yes |
| 14:03.28 | dos1 | are here some polish people? ;] if yes, i'm inviting to #openmoko.pl :] |
| 14:03.31 | Dave | he |
| 14:03.34 | SpeedEvil | Dave: sitting there, screen blanked |
| 14:03.51 | Dave | like 13h I think |
| 14:04.05 | richie23 | Ainulindale: right, no usb device - how should there be one with those error message? error -110 is timeout, isn't it? |
| 14:04.06 | Dave | that's with all the antennas powered off |
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| 14:04.22 | Dave | openmoko-today always churns on the cpu though, which sucks. |
| 14:04.38 | Dave | and neod too, half the time |
| 14:04.39 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: GSM shouldn't in principle use more than a few percent a day. |
| 14:04.39 | Dave | smirks at ecraven |
| 14:04.46 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: how much CPU idle? |
| 14:04.51 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 14:04.58 | ecraven | Dave: openmoko-today crashes on my fr |
| 14:05.00 | Dave | rolls his eyes at Speedevil |
| 14:05.04 | Dave | ecraven, hah! |
| 14:05.06 | Dave | yeah, pos :p |
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| 14:05.21 | ecraven | Dave: can you turn off bluetooth? make the icon disappear? |
| 14:05.24 | SpeedEvil | picks up Daves eyes, and rolls them at CVirus. |
| 14:05.27 | Dave | I think I am going to try a camera and usb wifi today if I have time this afternoon |
| 14:05.39 | Ainulindale | richie23: I can't help you with that then, I didn't have any problem of this kind |
| 14:05.48 | Dave | ecraven, one COULD if they wanted to |
| 14:05.50 | Dave | it's not hard :) |
| 14:06.08 | Dave | just [re]start matchbox-panel without the bluetooth part presumably :) |
| 14:06.09 | ecraven | Dave: i tried, didn't work.. even echoing 0 to /sys/...bt.0/power_on |
| 14:06.13 | linux_manju | Dave: What hardware ( Just Curious ) |
| 14:06.13 | Dave | That's just my guess though. |
| 14:06.14 | Dave | Yeah no |
| 14:06.26 | ecraven | well, that wouldn't disable bluetooth, just not show the icon |
| 14:06.41 | Dave | Though I could see why along with gsm keeping it in the tray is convenient/helpful since you can conveniently power it on again without having to navigate to additional menus |
| 14:06.48 | Dave | though right, it can be a bit misleading. |
| 14:06.53 | richie23 | Ainulindale: hmm, ok - but is there anything that can be checked if the build qemu has correct gadget support? |
| 14:06.58 | Dave | ecraven, I thought that's what you wanted XD |
| 14:07.04 | Dave | otherwise kill blueprobe? |
| 14:07.13 | Dave | linux_manju: with respect to what? |
| 14:07.18 | richie23 | apart from grep CONFIG_GADGETFS config-host.h |
| 14:08.04 | richie23 | which returns #define CONFIG_GADGETFS 1 |
| 14:08.08 | linux_manju | Dave: You are trying Cam and bluetooth on what handset..? |
| 14:08.52 | Dave | fr |
| 14:09.58 | linux_manju | SpeedEvil: One last question I have... |
| 14:10.19 | linux_manju | SpeedEvil: Does freerunner have any GPS builtin maps? |
| 14:10.59 | linux_manju | SpeedEvil: I would like to see few India Cities there |
| 14:11.04 | linux_manju | indian |
| 14:11.22 | linux_manju | like Nokia GPS pre loaded maps |
| 14:11.51 | beni_ | interesting to me too |
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| 14:12.57 | Ainulindale | richie23: I think you should start from scratch, build qemu, then flash-qemu-official |
| 14:13.07 | richie23 | i did that today |
| 14:13.17 | Ainulindale | Then I can't help you I'm sorry |
| 14:13.20 | richie23 | with freshly wget'ed mokomakefile |
| 14:14.17 | richie23 | ok... still very strange why all these things seem to work for some and without known differences not work for others... |
| 14:15.06 | benlake | that pretty much implies difference. |
| 14:15.49 | richie23 | of course, but this difference can also be getting the images "the right time" or "the wrong time", which can be one hour in between |
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| 14:18.09 | Tanuva | hmmm... seems like the qtopia dialer doesnt support things like *100# ... |
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| 14:20.26 | jakob__ | is there any known issue with accessing the two accellerometers in the fr? |
| 14:20.37 | SpeedEvil | jannu: like? |
| 14:20.40 | jakob__ | I can only access one under /dev/input/event3 |
| 14:20.43 | SpeedEvil | jakob__: you just can |
| 14:20.51 | SpeedEvil | jakob__: there should be all three in there |
| 14:21.00 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 14:21.07 | jakob__ | the second one /dev/input/event2 does not give any information :( |
| 14:21.07 | SpeedEvil | I mean - all six axes |
| 14:21.12 | jakob__ | ohh |
| 14:21.22 | SpeedEvil | event2 is I think the touchscreen and the buttons |
| 14:21.33 | jakob__ | ahh okey :) |
| 14:21.45 | SpeedEvil | Actually, event2 may be the buttons and the headset jack/hold button |
| 14:21.51 | jakob__ | Than I misinterpreted the given data in the event stream |
| 14:21.52 | abraxa_ | jakob__: Yeah, there's a known issue |
| 14:22.05 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: there is? |
| 14:22.19 | jakob__ | abraxa_: is there any kind of patch or known fix yet? |
| 14:23.21 | Tanuva | is there a hint on howto integrate qmake-qt4 (or some qtopia-equivalent?) with the om toolchain? |
| 14:23.40 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil / jakob__: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003340.html |
| 14:23.42 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: huh ? |
| 14:23.48 | XorA | Tanuva: praying to a diety probably helps |
| 14:24.00 | ebbe | abraxa_: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/pisi/ I released it in the wild. It doesn't work yet though.. |
| 14:24.54 | abraxa_ | ebbe: Thanks, I'll have a look as time permits :) |
| 14:25.03 | Tanuva | XorA: hmm. means: No way to build qt apps for asu yet? |
| 14:25.26 | XorA | Tanuva: qtopia-phone build system gives me brain ache |
| 14:26.24 | Tanuva | XorA: So I have to take a look at that... Maybe I get it to work automagically... *shudder* |
| 14:26.39 | XorA | Tanuva: actually you can use qtopia distro itself as the dev environment for ASU |
| 14:26.44 | jakob__ | abraxa_: thx. It seems I have to wait for a fix :) But I am glad I didn't misinterpret the data from the accelerometer :) |
| 14:26.52 | XorA | Tanuva: qtopia knows about cross compiling |
| 14:27.51 | Tanuva | XorA: sounds better. I'm without a mouse atm, everything takes a bit longer using the tab key, but Ill take a look at it :) |
| 14:28.03 | leinir | ok, am i just ignorant, or is the instructions on what to do to flash the device a little... abstract? |
| 14:28.57 | leinir | "Before you execute the command, please log into U-Boot in the NOR Flash. The Neo FreeRunner needs to be booted into U-Boot for flashing." |
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| 14:29.26 | Tanuva | leinir: loggin into NOR is described a few lines above this |
| 14:30.20 | leinir | Tanuva: For people used to generic boot menus such as Grub or Lilo or the windows boot manager or ehrm... the name of the thing used on PPC macs name of which escapes me... |
| 14:30.35 | Tanuva | leinir: efi |
| 14:30.39 | leinir | The use of the term "Log in" is a little out of place... if not confusing ;) |
| 14:30.46 | leinir | At least, that's how it seems to me :) |
| 14:31.01 | Tanuva | hmm. I got used to it after a few tries, but you might be right |
| 14:31.07 | leinir | So, it's just turn on the device and leave it on the u-boot menu, do nothing else? |
| 14:31.19 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: Huh? |
| 14:31.34 | CVirus | [17:05] * SpeedEvil picks up Daves eyes, and rolls them at CVirus. |
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| 14:31.35 | leinir | as in, connect it via the usb cable, leave at the U-Boot menu :) |
| 14:31.35 | Tanuva | yep. but press a button once in a while if youre not flashing, otherwise it will turn itself off :) |
| 14:31.49 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: Oh - nothing. |
| 14:31.55 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: I thought you were active, I hadn't checked backscroll. |
| 14:31.58 | leinir | *nods* Yeah, i noticed that one :) Right, i will try and come up with a better formulation for the wiki... |
| 14:32.00 | CVirus | hehe |
| 14:32.04 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: just silliness. |
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| 14:32.20 | XorA | so CVirus never gave dave his eyes bacvk :-D |
| 14:32.24 | leinir | Or just describe the use of the term "Log in" in this context, so it doesn't confuse elsewhere :) |
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| 14:32.35 | Gnutoo | hello, is it possible to rotate the screen of the freerunner for better web browsing? |
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| 14:32.48 | Tanuva | leinir: one could say "boot into $flashtype" |
| 14:32.57 | Tanuva | or rather boot from |
| 14:33.04 | XorA | Gnutoo: yes, but how depends on image installed, and I forget which image has witch methods |
| 14:33.38 | Gnutoo | XorA, wow, ok thanks a lot |
| 14:34.42 | leinir | Tanuva: Yeah, add a comment to the effect that "Logging into NOR" means to "Turn on the device in NOR mode and leave it at the U-Boot menu. Make sure to tap the AUX button to move the selection bar, to avoid the device turning off." |
| 14:34.46 | leinir | Something like that? :) |
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| 14:35.35 | Tanuva | leinir: sounds good |
| 14:35.55 | Tanuva | leinir: maybe add that it wont turn off automatically while flashing to prevent people from panicking :D |
| 14:37.18 | leinir | Aah, good plan :) |
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| 14:40.56 | mohamed | hi all, I have neo 1973 and I typed 'nand erase' on u-boot command prompt; now the device doesn't even start any help ? |
| 14:41.18 | Tanuva | :x |
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| 14:41.35 | Openfree | hi, which tool can be used to flash uboot? thx |
| 14:41.39 | abraxa_ | mohamed: Congratulations, you didn't read the wiki. You'll need to get your hands on a debug board to rescue it. |
| 14:42.11 | mohamed | abraxa_: cool, I have a debug board, how can I do so :) ? |
| 14:42.40 | XorA | mohamed: look for devirginate on wiki |
| 14:42.53 | XorA | mohamed: its a simple script that recovers gta01/gta02 machines |
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| 14:43.57 | leinir | While i'm editing that section... |
| 14:44.04 | leinir | "If you cannot log into U-Boot in NAND then you can log into U-Boot in the NOR Flash either." |
| 14:44.07 | leinir | ...eh? :) |
| 14:44.19 | Tanuva | *fg* |
| 14:44.28 | leinir | Which is it? ;) |
| 14:44.33 | Tanuva | isnt NOR there to recover from a broken NAND? |
| 14:44.49 | leinir | either cannot and cannot, or either replaced with instead :) |
| 14:45.15 | Tanuva | I'd say instead, but better ask one of the experts first :) |
| 14:45.25 | leinir | Yeah... |
| 14:45.38 | mohamed | XorA: ok, but I have problems in connecting the debug board, could you guide to connecting please |
| 14:45.46 | leinir | That would be my guess as well, the sentence seems a bit malplaced otherwise :) |
| 14:45.47 | Openfree | leinir, does neo1973 has nor flash? |
| 14:45.50 | CVirus | mohamed: hey man |
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| 14:46.06 | mohamed | CVirus: hello :) |
| 14:46.14 | CVirus | mohamed: b0rked your Neo ? |
| 14:46.19 | XorA | mohamed: I have to leave |
| 14:46.25 | mohamed | CVirus: I've bricked my device :D |
| 14:46.30 | Tanuva | Openfree: I dont think so, otherwise it wouldnt be so dangerous to break NAND uboot |
| 14:46.46 | mohamed | XorA: ok, thanks for your time, I'll try to handle it :) |
| 14:47.05 | HauDyrArb | i am listning to the Tombonen song in the Danish radio |
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| 14:47.16 | XorA | there are a number of debug board experts here :-D |
| 14:47.39 | mohamed | is there any guide on how to connect that debug board to the PC and to neo ? |
| 14:47.57 | lina | hi all, I am unable to connect to my freerunner via ssh, it gets ip etc np but logging in prompts for the password. I set the password via the terminal application but it won't accept it. just get permission denied |
| 14:48.01 | lina | any ideas? |
| 14:48.10 | Openfree | Tanuva, neofreerunner have nor, not sure about neo1973 |
| 14:48.20 | lina | i got my freerunner yesterday, bloody great :) |
| 14:48.29 | mohamed | CVirus: have you got any idea on how to connect the debug board ? |
| 14:48.46 | abraxa_ | mohamed: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Connecting_Neo1973_with_Debug_Board_v2 |
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| 14:49.20 | leinir | Openfree: i don't know, this is the Getting Started with your Neo FreeRunner article :) |
| 14:49.50 | abraxa_ | lina: Did you try the default password? (i.e. simply pressing enter) |
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| 14:49.58 | lina | yeah, no joy abraxa_ |
| 14:50.03 | Openfree | have any experienced the SD card boot strap method? |
| 14:50.11 | abraxa_ | lina: And the password you set using passwd doesn't work either? |
| 14:50.20 | mohamed | abraxa_: I have this connection but how to connect the debug board to the PC ? |
| 14:50.23 | lina | abraxa_: nope, even just set it to "w" |
| 14:50.53 | abraxa_ | lina: Did you attempt logging in as root? "ssh root@192.168.0.202" |
| 14:51.06 | lina | abraxa_: yeah thats exactly what i'm doing |
| 14:51.20 | lindi- | lina: how about "ssh localhost" from "Terminal"? |
| 14:51.44 | abraxa_ | mohamed: The debug board gets attached to the PC's USB, the Neo's debug port to the debug board's debug port and finally, the Neo's USB to the debug board's USB hub |
| 14:52.21 | lina | lindi-: won't accept the password |
| 14:52.42 | abraxa_ | lina: I suggest setting a different password then and trying again |
| 14:52.57 | lina | woo im in |
| 14:53.08 | lina | i set the password to blank and it worked |
| 14:53.10 | lina | :) |
| 14:53.22 | abraxa_ | lina: Interesting... |
| 14:53.28 | lina | yeah |
| 14:53.42 | lina | i wonder if hte characters are being entered correclty from Terminal |
| 14:54.00 | Ainulindale | Does anyone know where I can find information about the dbus primitives for FSO ? |
| 14:55.05 | abraxa_ | Ainulindale: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=tree (not sure how current those are) |
| 14:56.25 | mohamed | abraxa_: should the battery be inserted into neo ? |
| 14:56.48 | Ainulindale | It's weird abraxa_ because if I use mickeyl's tool I can't find the same thing |
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| 14:57.05 | Ainulindale | Can't find otapi for example |
| 14:57.14 | Ainulindale | I was looking for org.freesmartphone.GSM |
| 14:57.17 | abraxa_ | mohamed: I'm not sure, to be honest. I know CM has already devirginated his Neo, so maybe you're best off asking him about these details |
| 14:57.48 | abraxa_ | Ainulindale: Best to ask mickeyl about it then |
| 14:57.54 | CVirus | lina: you share the same name with my sister :-) |
| 14:58.03 | mohamed | abraxa_: ok, thanks for your help :) |
| 14:58.07 | lina | CVirus: lucky her :) |
| 14:58.17 | CVirus | haha |
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| 14:58.27 | lina | and about 1 million other swedes |
| 14:58.30 | abraxa_ | mohamed: You're welcome, and I hope all goes well. |
| 14:58.36 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: if you're alive, ping :-) |
| 14:58.59 | CVirus | mohamed: did you order your freerunner yet ? |
| 14:59.14 | mohamed | CVirus: not yet |
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| 14:59.58 | CVirus | mohamed: my friend is travelling to the UK tomorrow .. I'll but it from the UK reseller and ship it to her home and she'll bring it back with her :-D |
| 15:00.36 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: on the run, but here :) |
| 15:00.41 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: ok |
| 15:00.45 | Ainulindale | Working on SHR right now |
| 15:00.47 | mickeyl | cool |
| 15:00.52 | Ainulindale | Came up with something looking like phonekit |
| 15:00.54 | mickeyl | you were looking for the dbus API? |
| 15:00.57 | Ainulindale | I'm looking for documents |
| 15:00.58 | Ainulindale | Yep |
| 15:01.04 | Ainulindale | Can't find otapi with mdbus |
| 15:01.07 | mohamed | CVirus: cool, then you'll get it after ..... ? |
| 15:01.16 | mickeyl | otapi is just the high level name |
| 15:01.17 | Ainulindale | And that's why I can't find org.freesmartphone.GSM |
| 15:01.33 | CVirus | mohamed: 2 months |
| 15:01.33 | Ainulindale | Ok, so if you have some kind of documentation to show to me I'd be glad |
| 15:01.47 | CVirus | mohamed: maybe less |
| 15:01.52 | mickeyl | http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Standards/OpenPhoneServerAPI |
| 15:02.05 | mickeyl | or, if you prefer the XML spec |
| 15:02.08 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: and some docs on what phonekit is supposed to output, also |
| 15:02.12 | mohamed | CVirus: but that's not less than shipping to Egypt :) |
| 15:02.26 | Ainulindale | Hmmm it's weird mickeyl I can't find org.freesmartphone.GSM as I said |
| 15:02.28 | mickeyl | for phonekit, just check the xml description in there |
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| 15:02.36 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: frameworkd is running? |
| 15:02.45 | Ainulindale | yep |
| 15:02.53 | mickeyl | what does mdbus -s show? |
| 15:03.09 | Ainulindale | odeviced, oeventd, frameworkd, ophoned, ousaged |
| 15:03.30 | mickeyl | d'oh |
| 15:03.37 | mickeyl | gsmd subsystem did not start then |
| 15:03.41 | CVirus | mohamed: if I ship to Egypt I'll have to pay for customs and such ... besides, they might not let it in |
| 15:03.49 | mickeyl | try launching only that and check the output of |
| 15:03.52 | mickeyl | frameworkd -s ogsmd |
| 15:03.54 | TAsn | that's it, im getting mine when it comes out in the openmoko.com store :) |
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| 15:04.03 | TAsn | (900) |
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| 15:04.37 | Ainulindale | I'm supposed to launch it with my beautiful deer eyes or do you have a command for that ? :-) |
| 15:04.46 | mohamed | CVirus: ah I know, I'm just kidding :D , remember I've paid around 600 $ to get Neo 1973 Advanced |
| 15:04.50 | CVirus | mohamed: 227 pound sterling |
| 15:05.03 | CVirus | :-) |
| 15:05.37 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: hehe, do 'frameworkd -s ogsmd' on the console |
| 15:05.42 | mickeyl | (a very recent frameworkd i hope) |
| 15:05.46 | Ainulindale | That's what I did |
| 15:05.51 | Ainulindale | And still nothing |
| 15:06.14 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 15:06.16 | mickeyl | any output? |
| 15:06.25 | Ainulindale | nope |
| 15:06.34 | mickeyl | ok, try |
| 15:06.37 | mickeyl | export FRAMEWORK_DEBUG=1 |
| 15:06.42 | mickeyl | then again |
| 15:06.55 | CVirus | How many kg is the FreeRunner package ? |
| 15:07.12 | abraxa_ | CVirus: 2.0 |
| 15:07.16 | maroi | ups said 1 |
| 15:07.25 | TAsn | 0.6 lbs i think |
| 15:07.30 | abraxa_ | Well, somewhere inbetween then :) |
| 15:07.31 | TAsn | just check om.com.... |
| 15:07.32 | leinir | It's less than a kilo, definitely :) |
| 15:07.33 | CVirus | abraxa_: thanks |
| 15:07.52 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: framework: 'objects registered' |
| 15:08.05 | mickeyl | ok, lets do it step by step |
| 15:08.11 | mickeyl | 1.) please update to the latest frameworkd package |
| 15:08.20 | Ainulindale | opkg update ? |
| 15:08.29 | mickeyl | well, you probably need to build it |
| 15:08.31 | wurp2|away | opkg install, prolly |
| 15:08.33 | wurp2|away | oh |
| 15:08.48 | CVirus | Delivery (0.6 kg) |
| 15:08.59 | CVirus | 5 sterling |
| 15:09.09 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: so make shorter steps please ;-) Do I opkg it or pull mtn revision then bitbake it ? |
| 15:09.14 | CVirus | fuck .. I'll pay VAT |
| 15:09.21 | Ainulindale | Oh by the way |
| 15:09.22 | Ainulindale | framework: 'regular timeout' |
| 15:09.23 | mickeyl | ya, mtn pull && mtn update |
| 15:09.30 | mickeyl | then bitbake frameworkd |
| 15:09.34 | CVirus | Why do I have to pay VAT .. I live in Egypt !! |
| 15:09.35 | mickeyl | then copy the ipkg over to your neo |
| 15:09.41 | mickeyl | then opkg install <thatipkg> |
| 15:09.51 | Ainulindale | (I'm working with qemu) |
| 15:09.59 | Ainulindale | (My neo is trying to ship to bearstech) |
| 15:10.00 | mickeyl | oooh |
| 15:10.03 | Ainulindale | (Hopefully tomorrow \o/) |
| 15:10.05 | mickeyl | heh |
| 15:10.11 | mickeyl | well |
| 15:10.17 | mickeyl | forget it then :D |
| 15:10.26 | mickeyl | ogsmd requires a gsm subsystem |
| 15:10.32 | Ainulindale | Oh |
| 15:10.32 | mickeyl | it can't open your TI Calypso |
| 15:10.35 | mickeyl | and then fails |
| 15:10.36 | Ainulindale | So I'm doomed |
| 15:10.42 | mickeyl | kind of :) |
| 15:10.44 | Ainulindale | Doomed to wait :-) |
| 15:10.54 | mickeyl | sorry, bout that, but i did not have a dummy mode yet |
| 15:10.55 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: I suppose I could try with the documentation inbetween then |
| 15:10.59 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 15:11.22 | Ainulindale | Do you have something more technical than the previous link ? |
| 15:11.27 | Ainulindale | With methods and so on ? |
| 15:11.31 | Ainulindale | (The XML would be great) |
| 15:11.37 | wurp2 | Ainulindale: I have scripts that will spit out the xml |
| 15:11.47 | wurp2 | Ainulindale: Of course, they require that the dbus service be running :-) |
| 15:11.49 | Ainulindale | wurp2: it won't launch |
| 15:11.53 | Ainulindale | Yep ;-) |
| 15:11.58 | mickeyl | well, http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Standards/OpenPhoneServerAPI points to the individual docs |
| 15:12.02 | mickeyl | generated from the xml |
| 15:12.05 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: Ok, didn't see that, sorry :-) |
| 15:12.06 | mickeyl | but i can show you the xml.in |
| 15:12.35 | mickeyl | http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=tree;h=e3d9909d4673b626e8c2b54b899a31ea11096fea;hb=e3d9909d4673b626e8c2b54b899a31ea11096fea |
| 15:12.50 | Ainulindale | Thanks a lot mickeyl |
| 15:12.53 | mickeyl | np :) |
| 15:12.54 | mickeyl | bbiab |
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| 15:17.10 | mohamed | hi all, I want to devirginate neo 1973, but it doen't power up, although I've inserted a charged battery into it, any help ? |
| 15:18.51 | wurp2 | mohamed: Have you tried googling for site:wiki.openmoko.org debug board? |
| 15:19.43 | Arg0naut | has there been any updates on shipments from fremont? |
| 15:19.48 | mohamed | wurp2: I've tried the instructions that is written on the wiki, the step of switching the phone on can't be done :( |
| 15:20.14 | wurp2 | mohamed: I don't know anything about resurrecting a neo with a bad uboot, sorry |
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| 15:20.50 | mohamed | wurp2: never mind ;) |
| 15:22.12 | spydon | how many neo1973 were sold? |
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| 15:22.45 | Tanuva | about 1000 IIRC |
| 15:23.51 | spydon | okay, and how many freerunners have been sold? |
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| 15:27.30 | mohamed | what is FPC mentioned in step 2 at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_re-flashing_the_bootloader ? |
| 15:27.46 | mohamed | the ribbon cable ? |
| 15:29.30 | lina | spydon: dunno, quite a few considering they are not ready for the general public |
| 15:29.40 | lina | spydon: I got mine yesterday, its gorgeous |
| 15:29.51 | spydon | lina, nice ^^ |
| 15:29.58 | lina | spydon: just flashing a new image |
| 15:30.06 | spydon | lina, where did you order from? |
| 15:30.11 | wurp2 | lina: Didn't it boot out of the box? |
| 15:30.12 | lina | some german site |
| 15:30.19 | lina | wurp2: yeah, worked well |
| 15:30.23 | wurp2 | excellent |
| 15:30.39 | lina | wurp2: crashes a bit and I want to see the newer builds |
| 15:31.00 | lina | sound quality sucks bigtime on the build that it came with |
| 15:31.10 | lina | voice quality that is |
| 15:31.22 | lina | hoping that this will be improved via the software |
| 15:31.30 | lina | bit concerned about it actualy |
| 15:32.15 | wurp2 | lina: FSO Milestone 1 has better sound |
| 15:32.27 | lina | wurp2: cool, but not much else eh? |
| 15:32.28 | lina | :) |
| 15:32.31 | wurp2 | lina: The real problem is that the non-neo person hears an echo on every release I've heard |
| 15:32.37 | wurp2 | lina: Yeah, hence SHR |
| 15:32.51 | wurp2 | The echo is less bad on FSO |
| 15:33.07 | lina | nice |
| 15:33.36 | wurp2 | I think turnding down thevolume will help. There's no way to do that on FSO other than sshing in & fiddling with alsactl |
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| 15:34.22 | mmontour | mohamed: yes, "FPC" is the ribbon cable that connects the Neo and the debug board |
| 15:35.06 | mohamed | mmontour: I'm trying to switch on the phone but it doesn't respond, have you got any idea ? |
| 15:35.48 | Arg0naut | openmoko has hit diggs front page again! http://tiny.cc/digg790 |
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| 15:36.26 | mmontour | Follow the procedure on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v2 and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v2/Unbricking |
| 15:36.46 | mmontour | You will not see anything happen when you turn the phone on (with the power button) but you will be able to connect with openocd |
| 15:37.26 | mohamed | mmontour: so how can I know that it is turned on :) ? |
| 15:38.03 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ |
| 15:38.21 | mmontour | Have faith. You will get an openocd error later if it isn't turned on. |
| 15:38.23 | SpeedEvil | I'm contemplating splitting out all of the neo1973 related information to a 'historical' section at the end. |
| 15:38.28 | lina | everyone here got their freerunner? or are some still stuck on the neo1973? :P |
| 15:38.42 | SpeedEvil | And rewriting it in terms of agnostic to hardware/freerunner. Does this sound sane? |
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| 15:38.54 | SpeedEvil | lina: neo. No cash. |
| 15:38.55 | mmontour | Also, I saw earlier that someone said to plug the Neo's USB into the debug-board hub. I recommend plugging the Neo's USB directly into your PC |
| 15:39.01 | mjr | SpeedEvil, sounds. |
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| 15:39.34 | SpeedEvil | passes mjr elephant_trumpetting.mp3 |
| 15:40.07 | lina | SpeedEvil: sucks, I can send you mine when GTA03 comes out ;) |
| 15:40.32 | mmontour | mohamed: when you get to the point of installing a new u-boot image, I recommend http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.3%2bsvnr4297-r0.bin |
| 15:40.46 | mmontour | I have to go now. Good luck. |
| 15:40.48 | SpeedEvil | mjr: did you miss words off it? |
| 15:41.02 | SpeedEvil | (that last coment) |
| 15:41.14 | mohamed | mmontour: ok thanks for your help :) |
| 15:41.37 | mjr | not really |
| 15:41.48 | mjr | but you may add "it" and "sane" if you like |
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| 15:43.44 | HauDyr | is sitting and unwarpping his FreeRunner |
| 15:44.13 | djp | ohhhhh.... tell us everything.. is it shiny ? |
| 15:44.52 | HauDyr | christmas came early for me! |
| 15:45.18 | ChandleWEi | how to install software in openrunner |
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| 15:46.19 | lina | HauDyr: hard to get the lid off hte box isn't it? :D |
| 15:46.34 | HauDyr | yup |
| 15:46.40 | abraxa_ | ChandleWEi: All distributions have ipkg/opkg that you can use |
| 15:46.49 | HauDyr | and its a little larger than i thurght |
| 15:46.58 | lina | HauDyr: yeah, you get used to it though |
| 15:47.06 | Tanuva | btw: whats the difference between i- and opkg? |
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| 15:47.12 | lina | day 2 here and it feels "normal" sized |
| 15:47.21 | djp | think of it as "substantial" |
| 15:47.24 | abraxa_ | Tanuva: ipkg is stale, opkg has more life in it :) |
| 15:47.25 | lina | Tanuva: opkg is a fork of ipkg afaik |
| 15:47.41 | Tanuva | ah :) |
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| 15:49.41 | HauDyr | lina, now i just have to find my extra sim card |
| 15:49.47 | lina | hehe |
| 15:50.11 | lina | HauDyr: i just flashed the latest reccomended image. BIG improvement |
| 15:50.24 | lina | HauDyr: I reccomend you do that before getting stuck in |
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| 15:50.59 | mohamed | I have the following error: |
| 15:51.01 | mohamed | Info: openocd.c:93 main(): Open On-Chip Debugger (2007-09-05 09:00 CEST) |
| 15:51.03 | mohamed | Error: parport.c:359 parport_init(): cannot open device. check it exists and that user read and write rights are set |
| 15:51.05 | mohamed | any help ? |
| 15:51.07 | ChandleWEi | abraxa_: thx |
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| 15:53.35 | abraxa_ | mohamed: Sounds like you didn't configure OpenOCD to use the debug board |
| 15:54.41 | mohamed | abraxa_: I've used the file provided by the wiki http://people.gta01.hmw-consulting.de/laforge/misc/openocd.cfg |
| 15:55.38 | Tanuva | I'm currently downloading qtopia-src, will I find some build tool in it? |
| 15:55.49 | Tanuva | (to build qt software for asu) |
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| 15:58.01 | abraxa_ | mohamed: Did you apply http://people.openmoko.org/werner/openocd-ft2232.patch to the config file? |
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| 16:05.32 | mohamed | abraxa_: I've used the mokomakefile to get openocd, but the following error occurs http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26225/ |
| 16:09.57 | lina | anyone using scardycat image? |
| 16:10.05 | wurp2 | lina: I am, but on gta01 |
| 16:10.13 | wurp2 | lina: And it's a version from June 11 |
| 16:10.14 | lina | wurp2: any good? |
| 16:10.23 | wurp2 | Yeah |
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| 16:10.43 | wurp2 | After 2007.2 started being broken, his was the only full-featured semi-working version for a long time |
| 16:10.48 | lina | am i just being stupid or are there no links to images from the website? http://blog.automated.it/ |
| 16:11.04 | wurp2 | And he has a few little tools in there that are nice, for switching sound profiles, attaching bluetooth kbd, etc. |
| 16:11.10 | lina | cool |
| 16:11.20 | wurp2 | lina: Hmm, there used to be images out there |
| 16:11.23 | lina | going to check it out, anything I should look out for with gta02? |
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| 16:11.42 | wurp2 | I have no idea how good his gta02 version is :-( |
| 16:11.51 | wurp2 | I think I heard someone yesterday talking about issues they had with it |
| 16:11.56 | wurp2 | He doesn't have an 02, I don't think |
| 16:12.01 | lina | ok |
| 16:12.08 | lina | doesn't have links either :) |
| 16:12.11 | lina | will skip it for now |
| 16:13.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4519 10/developers/erin_yueh/pythonEFL-sudoku/src/sudoku_ui.py: add undo, redo functions, all functions are workable (Erin Yueh) |
| 16:13.58 | Dave | wurp! |
| 16:14.52 | Dave | Speedevil, you around? |
| 16:16.48 | abraxa_ | mohamed: What command did you issue to have MokoMakefile build OpenOCD? |
| 16:16.55 | SpeedEvil | Dave: masybe |
| 16:16.58 | Dave | heh |
| 16:17.27 | mohamed | abraxa_: make openmoko-devel-tools |
| 16:17.30 | Dave | I'm looking for recommendations for a camera that would be best supported on the phone |
| 16:17.47 | abraxa_ | mohamed: Okay, that should do the job |
| 16:17.54 | SpeedEvil | Dave: Not too heavy, or you risk crushing the phone. |
| 16:17.58 | Dave | I gather, if necessary, I could always cross-compile the linux driver, but it'd be better if there were something which had easier support. |
| 16:17.58 | lindi- | Dave: webcam? |
| 16:18.02 | Dave | Speedevil, right. |
| 16:18.07 | Dave | lindi, something like that, yes :) |
| 16:18.15 | SpeedEvil | Dave: Creative Optia AF |
| 16:18.20 | Dave | I need to find a camera which would be ideal for this. |
| 16:18.22 | SpeedEvil | Actually - no |
| 16:18.28 | Dave | No? |
| 16:18.32 | SpeedEvil | that needs USB2 really |
| 16:18.37 | Dave | crap |
| 16:18.44 | Dave | So is 2MP+ unrealistic, here? |
| 16:18.49 | SpeedEvil | Due to the way webcams work, they generall don't have onboard storage. |
| 16:19.06 | SpeedEvil | This means that you need to read the frame out rapidly. - within 1/10th of a second |
| 16:19.07 | Dave | right... |
| 16:19.18 | SpeedEvil | Or more accurately - as fast as it coes off the sensor. |
| 16:19.18 | Dave | Oh, crap |
| 16:19.27 | Dave | damn the freerunner for everything being on the same bus :( |
| 16:19.33 | SpeedEvil | And USB1.1 can't do that. |
| 16:19.54 | Dave | shit |
| 16:20.07 | Dave | Are there more complications other than that? |
| 16:20.21 | SpeedEvil | Dave: not really AFAIK. |
| 16:21.35 | SpeedEvil | Dave: I haven't seen drivers with x86 blobs, so that may not be an issue. |
| 16:21.37 | Dave | Speedevil, but what if all I want is a rather decent quality image at 1fps from it, that should be reasonable |
| 16:21.43 | SpeedEvil | Dave: drivers that won't compile on ARM may be. |
| 16:21.49 | Dave | right :[ |
| 16:21.59 | Dave | hence why I was looking to avoid having that trouble |
| 16:22.14 | SpeedEvil | Of course - cameras with mass-storage... |
| 16:22.41 | Dave | Would solve that problem, yes, but only some do, right? |
| 16:22.50 | Dave | For example, the ip webcams probably do |
| 16:22.57 | Dave | (wifi ones) |
| 16:23.07 | SpeedEvil | No - I mean your average camera. |
| 16:23.13 | Dave | Oh, right :) |
| 16:23.14 | SpeedEvil | With a display/viewfinder/... |
| 16:23.18 | Dave | right right |
| 16:23.24 | Dave | of course they have local storage ;) |
| 16:23.27 | Dave | typically, anyhow. |
| 16:23.48 | Dave | Are you suggesting something there, Speedevil? |
| 16:23.57 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 16:24.02 | Dave | or trying to market your camera to me? ;) |
| 16:24.16 | mjr | hazards a guess that there may become a reference to some models perhaps allowing for acquisition of images over usb |
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| 16:24.22 | SpeedEvil | It's not even fully designed yet. |
| 16:24.29 | Dave | mjr - ssssh!:P |
| 16:24.40 | Dave | Speedevil, so far you seem enthusiastic about it though |
| 16:24.50 | Dave | It sounds promising :) |
| 16:25.06 | SpeedEvil | Dave: it's a flexible product in principle. If it gets reduced to practice is another question. |
| 16:25.12 | abraxa_ | mohamed: Please put your openocd.cfg in a pastebin |
| 16:25.25 | Dave | Yep, true enough. |
| 16:25.39 | Dave | What are my most viable options here? |
| 16:26.25 | SpeedEvil | A) webcam - which will do VGA. |
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| 16:26.41 | SpeedEvil | B) any camera that you can read images off via USB. |
| 16:26.51 | mohamed | abraxa_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26229/ |
| 16:26.56 | SpeedEvil | C) Polaroid + USB scanner. |
| 16:27.04 | Dave | hah! |
| 16:27.20 | Dave | Yes, thank you Speed Evil :) |
| 16:27.59 | Dave | So would the Optia AF be a decent choice for a camera to test it with? |
| 16:28.18 | Dave | from the specs it boasts it doesn't seem unreasonable. |
| 16:28.30 | abraxa_ | mohamed: That tells me you didn't apply http://people.openmoko.org/werner/openocd-ft2232.patch as I said |
| 16:28.39 | mjr | some of those canon cams might be okay, what with the hacked up firmware. I seem to recall it at least could operate as a webcamish thingy. |
| 16:28.50 | Dave | My bigger issue, as previously discussed, would be the driver. |
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| 16:29.03 | Dave | mjr, good point, I have one at home :) |
| 16:29.14 | kdubois | any americans here anything about their fr's shipping yet? |
| 16:29.27 | Dave | Though I have no clues as to whether any of those third-party hacked up linux drivers will compile for arm :\ |
| 16:29.31 | mohamed | abraxa_: apply that patch to openocd.cfg ? |
| 16:29.53 | abraxa_ | mohamed: Yup. That'll disable the parallel port interface and add the ft2232 interface that the debug board uses |
| 16:29.59 | Dave | That seems rather dubious at the moment, though I could be surprised. |
| 16:30.01 | wurp2 | I just lost a call on the FSO :-( |
| 16:30.11 | Dave | dropped call? |
| 16:30.15 | ezekiel-v3 | no, lost |
| 16:30.22 | ezekiel-v3 | like, it started wandering - and called someone else |
| 16:30.22 | wurp2 | Incoming call that didn't ring it |
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| 16:30.30 | ezekiel-v3 | turned into a party-line for a while |
| 16:30.31 | Dave | What the fuck? |
| 16:30.38 | wurp2 | It was suspended, then I woke it and it *still* didn't ring |
| 16:30.47 | wurp2 | Then I called out, which worked fine, and now it rings on incoming |
| 16:30.56 | wurp2 | FSO Milestone 1 :-( |
| 16:30.56 | Dave | hmm |
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| 16:31.00 | Dave | ouch! |
| 16:31.03 | Dave | That's sad. |
| 16:31.20 | Guilt | anybody know harry |
| 16:31.22 | abraxa_ | wurp2: Report the bug, please :) |
| 16:31.23 | wurp2 | Yeah, I guess I'll email my logs to mickey|away |
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| 16:31.52 | Dave | hah, good. |
| 16:31.56 | wurp2 | abraxa_: Will do... Is it an option in the normal bug db? |
| 16:31.56 | Dave | Stick it in his face! |
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| 16:32.03 | Dave | Wurp, though that's so strange. |
| 16:32.15 | Dave | Are many others experiencing similar woes with frequency? |
| 16:32.26 | wurp2 | I'm not sure anyone is sticking on the FSO |
| 16:32.36 | wurp2 | Because it does minimal call functionality & nothing else |
| 16:32.53 | SpeedEvil | Dave: the optia is a USB video class device. However, more relevantly, it's only 640*480 if you plug it into a USB1.1 port |
| 16:33.03 | Dave | some people are already turning into what I would deem FSO zealots |
| 16:33.10 | abraxa_ | wurp2: http://www.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example/report/1 |
| 16:33.30 | wurp2 | abraxa_: thanks |
| 16:33.50 | _ferric | Dave: I want to be a zealot, where do we sign up |
| 16:34.00 | Dave | Speedevil, oh really? That makes sense, but the info creative posts seems to suggest otherwise... (so then via USB1.1 it would not be 2MP right?) |
| 16:34.13 | Dave | ferric, subscribe to somebody's newsletter, or something... |
| 16:34.16 | wurp2 | abraxa_: How do I get a login? |
| 16:34.39 | Tanuva | where does qtopia store the .desktop files for the launcher? |
| 16:34.43 | SpeedEvil | Dave: no - it's not |
| 16:35.00 | SpeedEvil | Dave: on USB2, you can get uncompressed 2MP at 10FPS. |
| 16:35.06 | Dave | I think I am going to use one of my gta02's as a primary calling device, in order to get my own experiences with the different versions and these calling issues. |
| 16:35.13 | SpeedEvil | Dave: on USB1 you get 640*480*30fps jpeg |
| 16:35.14 | Dave | Speedevil, right. |
| 16:35.17 | Dave | ick |
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| 16:35.25 | abraxa_ | wurp2: Maybe through registration on the wiki? http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/ |
| 16:35.36 | Dave | Speedevil, right but I only need like 5FPS at most, 2MP at 1FPS would be fine! |
| 16:35.55 | Dave | almost like a still image camera forwarding, heh. |
| 16:36.03 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: it's got no onboard storage - it has to read it direclty off hte sensor. So it can't do that. |
| 16:36.04 | Dave | though you're right, it is a lot of information to carry over :| |
| 16:36.26 | Dave | yeah, where's my dma line to sd flash :P |
| 16:36.29 | Dave | hah |
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| 16:36.47 | Xaos | kdubois: I haven't heard about mine shipping yet |
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| 16:37.09 | kdubois | i'm hoping they shipped it and didnt tell us :P |
| 16:37.10 | wurp2 | abraxa_: :-( |
| 16:37.17 | wurp2 | abraxa_: Wiki registration didn't work |
| 16:37.42 | ecraven | what are the estimates on a new hardware revision? |
| 16:38.07 | abraxa_ | wurp2: http://www.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example/newticket - it suggests that you can post anonymously, too. Maybe you want to do that until you know how to get an account |
| 16:38.14 | Tanuva | dont request new hardware until we have some working software... Oo |
| 16:38.24 | Dave | ecraven - heh - don't hold your breath ;) |
| 16:38.29 | Dave | Tanuva, huhu |
| 16:38.31 | ecraven | Dave: months? years? |
| 16:38.42 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: months at least. |
| 16:38.48 | abraxa_ | ecraven: Personal guess? Not more than 8 months |
| 16:38.50 | _ferric | why is the freesmartphone image caleld FSO and not FSP. plz help! :P |
| 16:38.52 | ecraven | Tanuva: that's exactly the point. if there will be a new hardware version before we have working software, i'll send mine back |
| 16:39.03 | Dave | Speedevil, so I am in somewhat of a shitty predicament then, aren't I? |
| 16:39.06 | mjr | joins the guessing fray and goes for 10 |
| 16:39.10 | abraxa_ | _ferric: Cause it's FreeSmartphone.Org |
| 16:39.12 | Dave | ecraven :P |
| 16:39.18 | Dave | but you should cherish it, and care for it |
| 16:39.26 | Dave | AND FIX ALL THEIR BROKEN APPS FOR IT! :P |
| 16:39.27 | SpeedEvil | Dave: I've not seen any webcams that will do >VGA on USB1.1 |
| 16:39.34 | Dave | crap |
| 16:39.37 | _ferric | Obri: aiee. |
| 16:39.47 | Dave | Well it's certainly worth a try, right? :) |
| 16:39.48 | mohamed | abraxa_: after applying the patch http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26234/ :) , any help ? |
| 16:40.07 | _ferric | er, abraxa_ aiee, i meant. |
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| 16:43.09 | wurp2 | abraxa_: Thanks, anonymous adding of a ticket worked fine |
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| 16:43.53 | mohamed | abraxa_: after applying the patch http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26234/ :) , any help ? |
| 16:44.14 | abraxa_ | mohamed: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenOCD#Known_Bugs_and_Troubleshooting |
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| 16:45.42 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4520 10/developers/erin_yueh/pythonEFL-sudoku/ (5 files in 4 dirs): update sudoku.desktop and add generotor, solver script (Erin Yueh) |
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| 16:48.42 | macdonalder | doc|home: newsflash: rogers has added/modified their data pricing somewhat |
| 16:49.28 | ecraven | where can i change the time until screen lock? |
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| 16:55.42 | mohamed | abraxa_: I think I need to power it on, I'm trying to switch on the device but in vain, any help ? |
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| 16:57.52 | Avenged-Revenge | which environment would you say is the most robust? ASU? |
| 16:58.26 | Vegar | FSO |
| 16:58.37 | abraxa_ | mohamed: Did you put the battery in? |
| 16:58.48 | Avenged-Revenge | is that what people are developing for now? |
| 16:58.50 | mohamed | abraxa_: sure :) |
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| 16:59.07 | Dave | So any other camera recommendations as far as linux support goes? |
| 16:59.36 | abraxa_ | mohamed: No idea then, sorry |
| 16:59.38 | abraxa_ | CM: ping |
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| 17:02.20 | mohamed | abraxa_: now I have this, what shall I do ? |
| 17:02.22 | mohamed | mohamed@mohamed-laptop:~/unbrick$ sudo ./openocd -f openocd-new.cfg |
| 17:02.22 | zash | Dave: what kind of camera? |
| 17:02.23 | mohamed | Open On-Chip Debugger 1.0 (2008-06-30-17:24) svn:517M |
| 17:02.25 | mohamed | $URL: svn://svn.berlios.de/openocd/trunk/src/openocd.c $ |
| 17:02.26 | mohamed | Info: jtag.c:1329 jtag_examine_chain(): JTAG device found: 0x0032409d (Manufacturer: 0x04e, Part: 0x0324, Version: 0x0) |
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| 17:03.40 | Haproli | Anybody got an idea why thihttp://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/open-moko-software.ars looks different then what I have preinstalled on my Freerunner ? |
| 17:03.53 | Haproli | sorry this http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/open-moko-software.ars |
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| 17:04.28 | Haproli | they say it is the 2007.2 image, but mine lacks the top bar, and the rounded corners |
| 17:04.31 | zash | Haproli: what does it look like then? |
| 17:04.31 | abraxa_ | mohamed: That doesn't sound like the debug board. Please check what lsusb says. According to Werner's notes, it should list 1457:5118 as a device. |
| 17:04.50 | zash | Haproli: ah, its another skin |
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| 17:05.19 | zash | Haproli: for gtk+, and it is not as heavy, rendering wise, as that skin |
| 17:05.36 | doc|work | anyone got any idea how many orders they're processing per day? |
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| 17:05.38 | Haproli | is the keyboard showed on the terminal also part of the skin? |
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| 17:06.16 | zash | Haproli: the keyboard is not part of the skin |
| 17:06.24 | pthorin | is there a way to get a real keyboard on the 2007.2? with slash and ctrl and all that? |
| 17:06.41 | mohamed | abraxa_: I'm now connected to the OCD and I want to halt the target how can I do so ? |
| 17:06.42 | wurp2 | pthorin: bluetooth works |
| 17:07.05 | wurp2 | pthorin: usb will work too, if you get a mini-usb and figure out how to make it work (it might work out of the box) |
| 17:07.12 | wurp2 | mini-b usb |
| 17:07.29 | zash | Haproli: the old skin had lots of gradients, and was slow to render |
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| 17:07.51 | Haproli | zash: ahso, and what about the keyboard ? |
| 17:08.00 | pthorin | wurp2: I was thinking more of software, like in the ars tec article |
| 17:08.13 | zash | Haproli: it is matchbox-keyboard i think |
| 17:08.17 | Haproli | and the browser and mediaplayer, these are not part of the 2007.2 image arent they |
| 17:08.19 | pthorin | which I guess is what Haproli is wondering too |
| 17:08.34 | abraxa_ | mohamed: I have never worked with OpenOCD, sorry |
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| 17:08.49 | zash | i think there is a guide to replace the keyboard on the wiki |
| 17:08.57 | wurp2 | pthorin: I'm confused - you ask if a hardware keyboard iwll work, then say you're thinking more of software... |
| 17:09.02 | pthorin | zash: cool, will check for it |
| 17:09.03 | Dave | zash well supported linux webcam :P |
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| 17:09.13 | zash | Dave: ok |
| 17:09.17 | wurp2 | pthorin: The apps use normal keyboard input; the sw keyboards are responsible for looking like a normal keyboard |
| 17:09.17 | Dave | looking for insight and advice :] |
| 17:09.32 | Dave | the support doesn't need to be great |
| 17:09.38 | wurp2 | pthorin: Oh, by "real" you don't mean hardware |
| 17:09.38 | Dave | just get images across the line ;) |
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| 17:09.50 | pthorin | wurp2: oh, sorry you mistook "real" as hardware, I was meaning "full" or "software 105 keyboard" |
| 17:09.50 | Dave | though I fear explosions, compiling whatever driver I need for arm :P |
| 17:09.51 | wurp2 | pthorin: matchbox-keyboard, look at Switching_Keyboards on the wiki |
| 17:09.51 | zash | i need to steal back my webcam that my brother took |
| 17:09.59 | pthorin | wurp2: will do |
| 17:10.30 | wurp2 | pthorin: Yeah, I went back & read what you actually said after I griped because you confused me :-) |
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| 17:11.40 | Haproli | pthorin: please let me know when you got it |
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| 17:12.42 | Haproli | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards ow here it is |
| 17:12.55 | Haproli | This doesn't work on official OM 2007.2 repositories. bugger |
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| 17:13.50 | wurp2 | Haproli: It doesn't? It used to :-( |
| 17:13.52 | wurp2 | What is missing? |
| 17:13.55 | Chocky | kids |
| 17:13.59 | Dave | :| |
| 17:14.08 | Dave | some help you are, zash :P |
| 17:14.12 | Haproli | wurp2 : no idea |
| 17:14.22 | wurp2 | Haproli: What happens when you try it? |
| 17:14.30 | Dave | wurp, it used to what? |
| 17:14.35 | Chocky | blah, haven't used IRC for months. forgot my nickserv p/w |
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| 17:14.50 | Dave | Are you alluding to the missing packages issue, with regards to Switching Keyboards? |
| 17:14.57 | Dave | Chocky, haw. |
| 17:15.10 | Chocky | looks like a noob |
| 17:15.12 | Haproli | trying right now |
| 17:15.24 | wurp2 | There used to be a missing packages issue, but I thought I updated it since then with working instructions |
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| 17:18.11 | Haproli | hmm Cannot find package matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod |
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| 17:19.37 | Dave | yeah they're not in any of the repos |
| 17:19.47 | Dave | SEKRET PACKAGEZ |
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| 17:20.02 | Chocky | lolz!1!, etc. |
| 17:20.10 | wurp2 | Haproli: Did you try just matchbox-keyboard instead? |
| 17:20.11 | pthorin | Haproli: you can add Scaredycat's repo, and the method on Switching_Keyboards works |
| 17:20.15 | Dave | I pimped goodwill to make them for me :P |
| 17:20.19 | Haproli | yeah |
| 17:20.23 | Dave | wurp, fail. |
| 17:20.29 | Chocky | dammit. just ship my order already :-( |
| 17:20.31 | Dave | stick it in your stash! |
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| 17:20.35 | pthorin | Haproli: guide here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories, just replace ipkg with opkg |
| 17:20.42 | wurp2 | Haproli: It used to be that either the little sequence of matchbox-keyboard-* worked, or matchbox-keyboard worked, depending on repo |
| 17:20.45 | Haproli | thanks a lot |
| 17:20.57 | wurp2 | Dave: FFTW |
| 17:20.57 | Dave | the repos are in disarray |
| 17:20.59 | mmontour | mohamed: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v2/Unbricking#Procedure shows the commands that you need to use for unbricking. The openocd command "reset halt" will halt the target |
| 17:21.02 | Haproli | I'm new with the openmoko |
| 17:21.03 | Dave | heh |
| 17:21.08 | mmontour | goes back to his meeting |
| 17:21.13 | Haproli | as you can gues |
| 17:21.15 | Haproli | s* |
| 17:21.35 | CVirus | mohamed: I'm glad that someone in Egypt has got the debug board so that I can fix my FR when it breaks :-p |
| 17:21.36 | wurp2 | Haproli: But it may be that now there's just no recourse other than using ScaredyCat's repo, which I do anyway |
| 17:21.51 | wurp2 | CVirus: You shouldn't need it for FR |
| 17:21.56 | wurp2 | CVirus: NOR will take care of you |
| 17:22.04 | Dave | hah! |
| 17:22.08 | CVirus | NOR ? |
| 17:22.12 | mohamed | CVirus: I hope I could manage to fix mine :D |
| 17:22.14 | Dave | wurp, I had them built |
| 17:22.22 | Dave | do you want me to upload them anywhere? |
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| 17:22.42 | pthorin | the keyboard is really tiny... need to fix |
| 17:22.48 | Dave | I think it's really annoying that no one can *simply* follow those instructions. |
| 17:22.52 | Dave | pthorin, yeah it is! |
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| 17:23.09 | ecraven | is the bluetooth in current ASU functional? |
| 17:23.09 | wurp2 | Dave: It might be easier to just add instructions for adding ScaredyCat's repository to the page |
| 17:23.13 | Haproli | Should I delete the other repo's ? |
| 17:24.05 | CVirus | wurp2: NOR ? |
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| 17:24.12 | wurp2 | CVirus: FR has NAND and NOR |
| 17:24.22 | pthorin | Haproli: I didn't, and it worked for me, don't know what's the preferred way of doing it |
| 17:24.26 | wurp2 | CVirus: You can resurrect your FR when NAND is busted from the NOR |
| 17:24.27 | algae | Is U-Boot through NOR Flash supposed to work? The instructions to get there don't seem to work for me. |
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| 17:24.39 | CVirus | wurp2: wow ... cool |
| 17:24.48 | Chocky | checks his mail every 5 mins for a tracking number :-( |
| 17:24.58 | mohamed | I can't reset and halt the CPU; reset halt doesn't produce any results and Target 0 halted is not a valid command :( |
| 17:25.18 | pthorin | algae: it works for me: hold in aux, then hold in power while still holding in aux until it boots |
| 17:25.35 | pthorin | Chocky: where did you order from? |
| 17:25.42 | Chocky | the store |
| 17:25.46 | Chocky | the main one. |
| 17:25.47 | pthorin | Chocky: oh, ok |
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| 17:26.30 | Chocky | yes, and apart from that, our company is awaiting a shipment from Soekris, which is nearby. double frustration |
| 17:26.44 | pthorin | you can actually hit the keys with your fingers if you're reeeally careful |
| 17:26.56 | Chocky | and not ham fisted ;-) |
| 17:27.31 | Chocky | has anyone tried dasher on it? |
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| 17:29.02 | algae | pthorin: i can press-hold aux then power for 20 seconds and more and afaict nothing happens. odd. |
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| 17:29.13 | ccfly | howdy :) |
| 17:29.50 | pthorin | algae: strange, it takes just a few seconds for me (given that the phone is off) |
| 17:30.56 | algae | pthorin: yeah, and I don't know where to go from here since NOR flash is pretty much the most basic thing that must always work. |
| 17:31.53 | wurp2|away | algae: Is your FR plugged into a power source? |
| 17:32.08 | algae | wurp2|away: nope. |
| 17:32.17 | wurp2|away | algae: Maybe your battery is very dead? |
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| 17:32.35 | Dave | no, maybe it's the battery problem joerg lectured me about :p |
| 17:32.46 | Dave | freerunner essentially sucks in every regard with respect to power :p |
| 17:32.47 | algae | wurp2|away: doubt it. should it work with the ac adapter plugged in? |
| 17:33.04 | wurp2|away | algae: I should think so |
| 17:33.05 | Dave | sucks though for people that don't have another device or another battery |
| 17:33.13 | Dave | though I heard the gta01's shipped with two |
| 17:33.19 | wurp2|away | Dave: Mine didn't |
| 17:33.25 | wurp2|away | away again for real |
| 17:33.35 | Dave | heh |
| 17:33.43 | Dave | Yeah, no more intellectual blasphemining for you :] |
| 17:33.49 | doc|work | wurp2|away: ping |
| 17:33.57 | Dave | Oh well, we'll miss you wurp. |
| 17:34.00 | Dave | Doc, don't be an ass ;) |
| 17:34.08 | doc|work | hahaha, >:) |
| 17:34.12 | Dave | That's my job! |
| 17:34.19 | Dave | (as an American) :p |
| 17:34.22 | Dave | ;) |
| 17:34.24 | doc|work | he's probably looking at the screen right now :) |
| 17:34.28 | doc|work | laughing at us |
| 17:34.29 | doc|work | :( |
| 17:34.51 | Dave | I hope so :D |
| 17:35.01 | Chocky | points and laughs at the funny furriners |
| 17:35.10 | ecraven | hm.. seems bluetooth doesn't work on the ASU :( i don't have hci0 |
| 17:35.12 | Dave | huhu |
| 17:35.17 | Dave | eh ohs |
| 17:35.36 | Dave | poor ecraven |
| 17:35.46 | Dave | stricken down again, by underdeveloped software. |
| 17:35.59 | ecraven | strange though, the device should be here.. |
| 17:36.07 | Dave | It's hiding from you! |
| 17:36.29 | abraxa_ | ecraven: Did you power on the BT module? |
| 17:36.29 | Chocky | so, do I need to port OpenOffice to FR? |
| 17:36.47 | ecraven | abraxa_: yes, manually *and* via /sys/../power_on |
| 17:37.06 | Dave | maybe your image blows, and is missing the driver module? |
| 17:38.13 | algae | wurp2|away: plugged in power cable which booted the system; shutdown; pressed aux/power for half a minute; nothing happens |
| 17:38.54 | algae | is apparently too dense to operate 2 buttons correctly |
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| 17:42.50 | Dave | heehee |
| 17:42.58 | Chocky | fine, I won't then : |
| 17:43.02 | Chocky | :p |
| 17:43.17 | Dave | algae was it fully able to boot, or did it power off before it got a chance to finish booting? |
| 17:43.41 | mohamed | 'reset halt' doesn't halt the device any help ? |
| 17:43.54 | leinir | Hmm... What does it mean when dfu-util tells me 'No such Alternate Setting: "kernel"'? |
| 17:44.19 | algae | Dave: booted fully; i skipped entering the PIN and pressed power to select "shutdown now" from the menu |
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| 17:45.37 | algae | btw, are U-Boot pictures in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner correct? Because the NAND boot menu (which I can get to) looks very different here. |
| 17:46.11 | leinir | i've a feeling they're a bit old :) |
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| 17:46.39 | Chocky | out of date documentation? naw, would never happen |
| 17:46.52 | algae | For instance, the menu I'm seeing has got "set console to USB" and "set console to serial" (each entry twice(!)). |
| 17:48.13 | leinir | Indeed, the image that the freerunner ships with seems to have that (mine does as well :) ) |
| 17:50.40 | pthorin | out to test the gps a bit |
| 17:51.11 | algae | Oh, and if I select "Boot from microSD", I get an error (unsurprisingly) followed by the return of the NAND boot menu, but now other entries (like "Power off") stop working. I need to fully boot the system and shut it down again to get a working NAND menu. Minor issue though, compared to NOR menu not coming up ever. |
| 17:52.25 | ecraven | algae: i tried a few hours yesterday, and couldn't get it working at all |
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| 17:52.53 | abraxa_ | algae: How's the NOR menu supposed to come up anyway? Seems like it's not documented on the wiki yet |
| 17:53.23 | donomo | is there a url to look up the status of an order? |
| 17:53.28 | algae | ecraven: yay, i'm not the only one. |
| 17:54.51 | algae | abraxa_: there are at least 2 descriptions in the wiki, one @ Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner and one @ U-Boot_Test_Cases (see Test Case #8). |
| 17:55.09 | ecraven | algae: unfortunately ;( |
| 17:56.04 | abraxa_ | algae: Ah, thanks. I never visited that page before and the search for NOR didn't come up with it |
| 17:56.15 | algae | The descriptions could be better written but apparently it did work for pthorin whose instructions above are: "hold in aux, then hold in power while still holding in aux until it boots" |
| 17:57.57 | abraxa_ | algae: Oh, interesting. So I've always booted into NOR, not NAND u-boot. |
| 17:58.06 | ecraven | what port does pand try to bind? |
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| 17:59.01 | algae | abraxa_: I would assume that the boot menu title indicates what you get. the one i get to says "BOOT MENU (NAND)" |
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| 17:59.35 | abraxa_ | algae: I never paid attention to that detail, honestly. And both NOR and NAND u-boots work just fine for me |
| 18:00.44 | doc|work | macdonalder: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080709.wgtiphone0709/BNStory/Technology/home?cid=al_gam_mostemail |
| 18:00.44 | doc|work | anyone else in canada ^ |
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| 18:01.53 | Chocky | iphone. fnar |
| 18:02.38 | Chocky | "with a 3G phone" - FR missing out ;-) |
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| 18:02.42 | doc|work | Chocky: not the point, it also covers other handsets too :) |
| 18:02.49 | Chocky | I know, the story isn't well written |
| 18:02.58 | doc|work | Chocky: the plan might also work with the FR though, right? |
| 18:03.02 | Chocky | more free hype for Apple |
| 18:03.09 | Chocky | would expect so |
| 18:03.14 | Chocky | not in Canadia |
| 18:03.51 | ecraven | has anyone successfully used pand and bluetooth to connect to his fr? |
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| 18:06.17 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * rb182d8438166 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: mickeydbus: add listener mode |
| 18:06.23 | Dave | pand? |
| 18:07.23 | Dave | panda? :D |
| 18:07.31 | Chocky | kung fu? |
| 18:07.43 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf1dcbb2a2691 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: ogsmd: refactor ogsmd.gsm.channel and fully document |
| 18:07.46 | Dave | chicken chow mein? |
| 18:08.25 | Chocky | turkey teriayki? |
| 18:09.52 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf1dcbb2a2691 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: ogsmd: refactor ogsmd.gsm.channel and fully document |
| 18:09.52 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rdb85bb394837 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 18:09.52 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: SIM.GetMessagebookInfo: don't try to parse a result if we got an error |
| 18:09.53 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: [OPENEZX] remove low level init and add custom mediator for SIM.SendAuthCode |
| 18:09.55 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rad351e9f8cd0 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): update ChangeLog |
| 18:09.58 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r2dac8dc5caf3 10/ (12 files in 6 dirs): clean up |
| 18:10.10 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rdb85bb394837 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 18:10.10 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: SIM.GetMessagebookInfo: don't try to parse a result if we got an error |
| 18:10.10 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: [OPENEZX] remove low level init and add custom mediator for SIM.SendAuthCode |
| 18:10.13 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rad351e9f8cd0 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): update ChangeLog |
| 18:10.24 | Chocky | spamtastic |
| 18:11.39 | mwester | more on-topic than lunch menus! |
| 18:11.56 | Chocky | why? That has spam on it too. |
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| 18:13.04 | Dave | kekeke |
| 18:13.22 | Dave | mwester, hey now! |
| 18:13.39 | Dave | There's nothing wrong with delicious conversation :D |
| 18:13.44 | Dave | especially around lunchtime ;) |
| 18:13.50 | doc|work | please stop talking about food :( |
| 18:14.07 | Chocky | FoodRunner |
| 18:14.18 | doc|work | no fair! |
| 18:14.28 | Dave | BLOODRUNNER :O |
| 18:14.32 | mwester | doc's employer has found a new motivator? no food until the project is completed! |
| 18:14.35 | Dave | aww, poor doc |
| 18:14.40 | Dave | excellent! |
| 18:15.03 | Basheri | freehunger here :< |
| 18:15.24 | Chocky | OpenMcMoko |
| 18:15.47 | mwester | hehe! |
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| 18:16.59 | doc|work | mwester: hah, i'd not lived to see completion if that were the case :) |
| 18:17.01 | doc|work | :( |
| 18:18.06 | Dave | haha |
| 18:18.12 | Dave | high-fives Chocky |
| 18:18.36 | Chocky | takes Dave's FR, and runs away, manically |
| 18:20.25 | Dave | :O |
| 18:20.28 | Dave | meh, that's okay |
| 18:20.35 | Dave | I have a bunch more |
| 18:20.39 | Chocky | sweet |
| 18:20.43 | nuclear_eclipse | is jealous of Dave |
| 18:21.44 | Chocky | still checking email for tracking number :-( |
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| 18:22.58 | Chocky | hell. why is is still 11.22? |
| 18:23.04 | nuclear_eclipse | I get my hopes up every time the tray icon says Thunderbird has new messages, and then cry every time I check and only find spam or mailing list entries... :( |
| 18:23.21 | Chocky | mailing list was too heavy. only read the archives now. |
| 18:23.34 | Basheri | same here |
| 18:24.06 | doc|work | filters++ |
| 18:24.30 | nuclear_eclipse | the constant wave after wave of the same questions/topics over and over again is what's frustrating me |
| 18:24.46 | Chocky | doc|home: yeah, I know, but I read mail in 3 different places with different clients. |
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| 18:24.53 | doc|work | yeah, to be expected though. Expect the same here once the mass start being delivered |
| 18:25.00 | nuclear_eclipse | yeah |
| 18:25.15 | doc|work | Chocky: same :/ |
| 18:25.27 | bobkare | Chocky: just means you need to move filters to the mailserver |
| 18:25.33 | doc|work | Chocky: freerunner might be enough to sort out a centralised imap setup |
| 18:25.34 | Chocky | I am on a bunch of mailing lists, and those get filtered at home, but they're all low volume |
| 18:25.44 | doc|work | exactly |
| 18:26.24 | nuclear_eclipse | yep, I have a bunch of Sieve filters set up, but Thunderbird doesn't care what folder it's in when it pops up the tray icon... =\ |
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| 18:26.52 | Chocky | anyway, I don't need to post to the list, so I'm not at any real loss |
| 18:27.21 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3cb38cc14370 10/tools/cli-framework: tools: spice up the interactive console |
| 18:27.39 | mickeyl | cb22: the picture was made with OmniGraffle |
| 18:27.51 | mickeyl | (which is unfortunately not open source, but it's real good) |
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| 18:28.02 | Chocky | this was kind of interesting to me: |
| 18:28.05 | Chocky | http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/open-moko-software.ars |
| 18:28.19 | Chocky | I hadn't had the big picture of the various stacks |
| 18:29.32 | mickeyl | good article |
| 18:31.28 | doc|work | someone should put up a feature comparison of the different images on the wiki |
| 18:31.39 | doc|work | I'd do it but don't have a device to play with yet :) |
| 18:34.29 | nuclear_eclipse | doc|work: excuses :P |
| 18:34.42 | doc|work | a little :) |
| 18:36.10 | leinir | Yaay! It's booting (yes, lovely pun, raster, i approve ;) ) |
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| 18:36.29 | nuclear_eclipse | leinir: stop bragging :P |
| 18:36.48 | leinir | nuclear_eclipse: i spent the entire day getting this thing to load ASU, i finally managed ;) |
| 18:37.00 | nuclear_eclipse | congrats |
| 18:37.09 | nuclear_eclipse | have you happened to try FSO at all? |
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| 18:37.37 | Chocky | ernst3: http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;1584423557;fp;2;fpid;1 |
| 18:37.40 | Chocky | gah |
| 18:37.52 | Chocky | anyway, 900 was never on sale via store |
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| 18:38.23 | nuclear_eclipse | I'm wanting to replace my crap RAZR with my FR when it arrives, so I'm tempted to try dual-booting FSO + some other stack, since some people say FSO is the most stable/usable for phone stuffs |
| 18:38.23 | leinir | nuclear_eclipse: i've not, no :) |
| 18:38.44 | Chocky | wife has Razr that is falling apart |
| 18:38.53 | leinir | Gah, i can't enter numbers on the keypad *giggles* i can't switch views :) |
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| 18:39.26 | nuclear_eclipse | Chocky: mine just randomly shuts off without any notice, and it's really pissing me off |
| 18:39.43 | nuclear_eclipse | especially since I've been relying on it to be my alarm clock... |
| 18:40.08 | doc|work | nuclear_eclipse: dual booting, nice idea |
| 18:40.46 | Chocky | I like how OSNews is even slower with stories than slashdot. |
| 18:40.53 | nuclear_eclipse | doc|work: I just want to make sure I have a dependable way to make calls when I'm not goofing off on it :P |
| 18:40.57 | Chocky | http://osnews.com/story/20010/Linux_Based_Smartphone_FreeRunner |
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| 18:41.51 | doc|work | nuclear_eclipse: aye |
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| 18:45.18 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc510fd0e4037 10/tools/cli-framework: |
| 18:45.18 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: tools: restore cli-framework to not showing signals. |
| 18:45.18 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: We will have to rewrite the interactive console to make it safe. |
| 18:47.04 | Chocky | ugh. someone got a tracking number |
| 18:47.08 | leinir | But apart from that, it's quite nifty :) |
| 18:47.16 | Chocky | number 1087. I'm 1345 |
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| 18:47.51 | Haproli | Me didn't know daily builds where so stable, and full of apps |
| 18:47.57 | Haproli | likeit |
| 18:48.56 | SpeedEvil | ponders builds full of apes. |
| 18:49.38 | Chocky | yes, but can your apes do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy52yueBX_s |
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| 18:51.59 | mohamed | abraxa_: wow, I've unbricked my device :) thank you so much |
| 18:52.21 | abraxa_ | mohamed: Glad you got it working |
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| 18:52.40 | mohamed | CVirus: now I can tell you feel free to brick your free runner :D |
| 18:53.02 | Atava | yo |
| 18:53.09 | Atava | Not sure who maintains the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner page |
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| 18:53.27 | SpeedEvil | Whoever hates it enough |
| 18:53.31 | Atava | Typo on the "Log into U-Boot in the NOR Flash" section |
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| 18:53.55 | SpeedEvil | points to the 'register' button on the wiki. |
| 18:54.23 | Atava | retreats |
| 18:54.47 | Chocky | telt. |
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| 18:57.12 | pthorin | no satellites after one hour :( |
| 18:57.50 | linuxxr | i want me freerunner |
| 18:58.01 | Chocky | what order number? |
| 18:58.02 | CVirus | mohamed: haha ... cool :-D |
| 18:58.08 | linuxxr | 2039 |
| 18:58.10 | SpeedEvil | pthorin: from outside? |
| 18:58.19 | Chocky | heh. that's way down the list :p |
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| 18:58.25 | linuxxr | yup |
| 18:58.36 | linuxxr | ordered the 4th |
| 18:58.38 | pthorin | SpeedEvil: for 40 minutes at least |
| 18:58.39 | Chocky | I assume they started at 1000 |
| 18:58.45 | SpeedEvil | pthorin: :) |
| 18:58.49 | SpeedEvil | s/)/(/ |
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| 18:59.04 | Chocky | I ordered 8.30am on the 3rd. would have been 7am, but had to get to work and call CC company |
| 18:59.27 | linuxxr | no track #'s yet? |
| 18:59.32 | pthorin | is there any information somewhere on what kinds of external antennas one can use? |
| 18:59.34 | Chocky | just one guy on the mailing list |
| 18:59.39 | Lynet | Is there a long backorder queue? |
| 18:59.43 | linuxxr | usa? |
| 19:00.07 | Chocky | guess so. order 1087 |
| 19:00.27 | linuxxr | cool |
| 19:00.30 | doc|work | Lynet: they shipped around about number 1100 yesterday and I placed an order about 15 hours ago which was number 3032 or something |
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| 19:00.35 | Chocky | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021042.html |
| 19:00.57 | Chocky | doc|work 3032 - oh dear ;-) |
| 19:01.01 | Chocky | well, means there are lots of users |
| 19:01.02 | linuxxr | almost selling like hotcakes |
| 19:01.30 | doc|work | Chocky: yeah |
| 19:01.44 | doc|work | they only started yesterday though, right? |
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| 19:01.49 | Chocky | seems so |
| 19:01.57 | doc|work | then they're doing about 1000 per day |
| 19:02.06 | doc|work | although that'll increase once they get into the flow of things |
| 19:02.08 | wurp2|away | I just realized that I'm on a kernel I built for my FSO install |
| 19:02.11 | Chocky | so, if we assume 50 or so 10-packs, that's about 3000 devices from US so far |
| 19:02.22 | doc|work | Chocky: I'd expect higher than that |
| 19:02.29 | Chocky | plus the European and India ones |
| 19:02.36 | doc|work | yup |
| 19:02.38 | wurp2 | So my statement about a bug FSO milestone 1 re: missed call may be BS |
| 19:02.48 | wurp2 | s/bug /bug in/ |
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| 19:04.42 | leinir | Woopsie - without being able to change layouts on the ASU onscreen keyboard, i can't type in the SIM PIN ;) |
| 19:04.53 | Chocky | maybe they're only shipping 100/day :p |
| 19:05.48 | Dave | Greetings, leinir :] |
| 19:05.57 | Dave | Welcome back, Wurp. |
| 19:06.10 | leinir | Hehe :) |
| 19:06.27 | nuclear_eclipse | Chocky: I'd cry if it was only 100/day... |
| 19:06.47 | nuclear_eclipse | <- 1324 |
| 19:07.04 | Chocky | what time did you order? |
| 19:07.15 | nuclear_eclipse | early on the 3rd |
| 19:07.21 | nuclear_eclipse | about 9:30 EST |
| 19:07.23 | nuclear_eclipse | iirc |
| 19:07.34 | linuxxr | no track # yet? |
| 19:07.35 | Chocky | so about 6.30am |
| 19:07.46 | nuclear_eclipse | not for me |
| 19:07.49 | Chocky | I didn't order for 2 hours later, and got 1345 |
| 19:08.15 | doc|work | Chocky: don't even joke :( |
| 19:08.15 | nuclear_eclipse | hmm, maybe it was later than 9:30, I don't remember; I was too excited that I got to order it :P |
| 19:08.24 | Chocky | hm, ok |
| 19:08.58 | Chocky | and when my 10 pack comes, I get to send one "back" to San Francisco |
| 19:09.04 | Atava | To me? |
| 19:09.05 | linuxxr | http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Samsung_Readies_8GB_microSD_Card/551-81172-581.html |
| 19:09.13 | Atava | drives down to SF |
| 19:09.14 | linuxxr | is that what we need? |
| 19:09.15 | Chocky | heh |
| 19:09.20 | Dave | Down? |
| 19:09.25 | Dave | SF is up. |
| 19:09.29 | mjr | linuxxr, would presumably work, yes |
| 19:09.32 | Atava | I'm on a hill across on the east bay |
| 19:09.36 | Atava | So I look down at SF :D |
| 19:09.37 | Chocky | Dave: yes, SF is up. everyone knows that. |
| 19:09.40 | Dave | Ah :P |
| 19:09.43 | Dave | preetty sneeaaky :p |
| 19:09.49 | Dave | Bay Area \o/ |
| 19:09.52 | Atava | \o/ |
| 19:09.58 | Atava | Castro Valley |
| 19:10.01 | Dave | That's what's up, yo. |
| 19:10.05 | Dave | hell yeah Castro |
| 19:10.11 | Dave | except, not so much so, the valley :p |
| 19:10.18 | doc|work | "which it says, is optimal for today's multimedia mobile phones. " |
| 19:10.19 | Lynet | linuxxr: Sandisk 8GB cards have been available for a long time, if you're looking to buy one. |
| 19:10.20 | Dave | Castro (in MV) :P |
| 19:10.24 | doc|work | what's "optimal" about it? :) |
| 19:10.36 | doc|work | I'd need 5 of them of all of my music |
| 19:10.38 | Qwell | doc|work: existing |
| 19:10.45 | Dave | doc, weak. |
| 19:10.46 | linuxxr | ook |
| 19:10.55 | Qwell | it wouldn't be very optimal if it didn't exist |
| 19:11.01 | Atava | I'd need 25 for all my music -_- |
| 19:11.03 | Arg0naut | anyone with an order number > 1087 get a ups tracking number? |
| 19:11.05 | doc|work | Qwell: sure, but what's optimal about it? |
| 19:11.11 | Qwell | it's own existance. |
| 19:11.14 | Qwell | existence too |
| 19:11.19 | Chocky | its, too |
| 19:11.21 | mjr | doc, I think the optimality is referring to the small physical size of the microSD |
| 19:11.28 | doc|work | oh cool. then I am the optimal human. win for me! |
| 19:11.29 | Qwell | Chocky: quiet you |
| 19:11.29 | mjr | and frankly, make that much smaller and you' |
| 19:11.33 | mjr | 've got problems |
| 19:11.33 | Chocky | aw. |
| 19:11.38 | Dave | :D |
| 19:11.39 | SpeedEvil | pthorin: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
| 19:11.42 | Dave | high-fives Qwell |
| 19:11.46 | doc|work | mjr: aren't all micro sd cards the same size? :) |
| 19:11.47 | Dave | hooray |
| 19:11.55 | Dave | sounds like a flood/rant to me :D |
| 19:12.04 | Dave | Where do I sign up? |
| 19:12.05 | mjr | doc|work, it doesn't claim they aren't :] |
| 19:12.18 | doc|work | thinks someone in their pr firm needs a smack |
| 19:12.21 | SpeedEvil | pthorin: a basic table to report GPS problems, and to work out if anyone figures out a solution. |
| 19:12.25 | doc|work | or at the least, a thesaurus |
| 19:12.32 | SpeedEvil | pthorin: dealextreme.com has a working GPS antenna. |
| 19:12.33 | mjr | doc|work, or at techtree |
| 19:12.44 | Atava | hm |
| 19:12.54 | Atava | Wonder when anandtech is going to do a FreeRunner review |
| 19:13.05 | doc|work | mjr: maybe |
| 19:13.08 | Dave | REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION. |
| 19:13.13 | Atava | DENIED. |
| 19:13.21 | Dave | You may want to clarify, "with the GPS antenna pointed up" |
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| 19:13.33 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7446617238ef 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Disable parallel make for Qtopia, it is breaking... |
| 19:13.33 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rff0bb4f1abf6 10/packages/initscripts/initscripts-1.0/openmoko/bootmisc.sh: [initscripts] Fork the bootmisc.sh for Openmoko |
| 19:13.34 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r35cd401f24e6 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/bootmisc.sh initscripts_1.0.bb): [initscripts] Remove ldconfig call from the initscript to gain a speed increase |
| 19:13.35 | Dave | Even I was initially bewildered. |
| 19:13.35 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * raab552bd77fe 10/packages/glibc/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [glibc] Split ld.so.conf up to allow to install other paths by other packages |
| 19:13.35 | mjr | It's a piece of news. Granted, probably mostly cut and pasted from Samsung's press releases, but the formulations are such that they've done a bit of work on it, and the resulting awkward sentence structure may be well from that |
| 19:13.38 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r38d866d4f254 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Install a hint for ldconfig to find the Qtopia directory |
| 19:13.49 | Dave | omg cvsrush |
| 19:13.53 | Dave | kekeke |
| 19:14.11 | Chocky | pwnies |
| 19:14.43 | Dave | Speedevil, isn't the antenna connector below and adjacent to the SIM card slot for the wifi? |
| 19:14.45 | doc|work | mjr: yeah, might be that |
| 19:14.57 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf829b9992d80 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Disable parallel make for Qtopia, it is breaking... |
| 19:15.32 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: yes |
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| 19:15.40 | SpeedEvil | Dave: err - no\ |
| 19:15.52 | Dave | What? |
| 19:15.58 | SpeedEvil | save: that's the GSM. The GPS antenna is on the side of the case. |
| 19:16.05 | Dave | I am aware. |
| 19:16.33 | Dave | So that antenna connector inside next to the aforementioned is for gsm? |
| 19:16.42 | SpeedEvil | save: yes. |
| 19:16.47 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r40ead59c0b22 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [splinter] Bump up the reversion of Splinter to 462 |
| 19:16.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r62fe20fa7b8a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 193 |
| 19:16.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rddfce03ac9f3 10/packages/efl1/edbus_cvs.bb: [efl] Remove entry edbus_edbus in PACKAGES of edbus_cvs.bb |
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| 19:18.21 | Dave | Okay |
| 19:18.36 | Dave | Is there a similar internal antenna connector for wifi? |
| 19:18.43 | roh | nope |
| 19:18.47 | SpeedEvil | Not as far as I know |
| 19:18.50 | Kattyo | When will available GSM900 model from store? |
| 19:18.54 | Dave | (Forgive me if I am not intimately familiar with the internal designs) :) |
| 19:18.56 | Chocky | few weeks |
| 19:19.03 | LionKMP | weeks? |
| 19:19.05 | LionKMP | aw |
| 19:19.11 | Dave | Speedevil, so it is integrated then? |
| 19:19.15 | Chocky | that's what I remember being said |
| 19:19.20 | SpeedEvil | Dave: yes |
| 19:19.24 | SpeedEvil | Dave: it's a little module. |
| 19:19.31 | SpeedEvil | Dave: with integrated antenna |
| 19:19.39 | Chocky | Fremont pickup: |
| 19:19.40 | mohamed | is there any qtopia or scardycat images for neo 1973 ? |
| 19:19.40 | nuclear_eclipse | that's a shame |
| 19:19.40 | Dave | oh and thanks for clarifying that part of the wiki page :p |
| 19:19.47 | Chocky | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021051.html |
| 19:19.50 | SpeedEvil | mohamed: yes |
| 19:19.50 | Dave | yeah which would explain it's weakness :p |
| 19:20.07 | Dave | Hah, why DON'T I have a wiki account yet? :] |
| 19:20.07 | SpeedEvil | mohamed: I was running a scaredycat image on the 1973 now. |
| 19:20.22 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: you have not passed the full cavity search yet? |
| 19:20.28 | mohamed | SpeedEvil: I can't find those images could you please send me a link ? |
| 19:20.28 | Dave | uh oh |
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| 19:20.34 | Dave | Is that required? :p |
| 19:20.39 | SpeedEvil | mohamed: no. |
| 19:20.43 | Chocky | ah yes, 900: |
| 19:20.45 | Dave | REALLY now :P |
| 19:20.46 | SpeedEvil | mohamed: I don't remember where I got it. |
| 19:20.47 | Chocky | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/020981.html |
| 19:21.10 | pthorin | SpeedEvil: ah, thanks! |
| 19:21.49 | Chocky | more posts from Steve. sez tracking numbers as they ship. not news really ;-) |
| 19:22.20 | Atava | keke. |
| 19:22.39 | Atava | Does nobody proof read -_- |
| 19:22.44 | Atava | "900Mhz variant stock is due on on july 15th" |
| 19:22.44 | Chocky | no one. |
| 19:23.07 | doc|work | nope |
| 19:23.12 | Atava | fail. |
| 19:23.22 | nuclear_eclipse | waht iss this profreedign yuo spek off? |
| 19:23.32 | Atava | -_- |
| 19:23.43 | ecraven | how can i change the time before the screen lock kicks in? |
| 19:24.04 | nuclear_eclipse | ecraven: write an app to constantly set the clock back? ;) |
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| 19:24.48 | linuxxr | why should u have to continually set the clock back? |
| 19:24.56 | Chocky | it was a joke |
| 19:25.02 | linuxxr | ha |
| 19:25.05 | nuclear_eclipse | <- sarcastic asshole |
| 19:25.18 | Chocky | high-fives nuclear |
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| 19:27.38 | pthorin | Have edited the GPS_Problems now |
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| 19:28.27 | Chocky | well, my Soekris shipment mysteriously turned up |
| 19:28.38 | Dave | nuclear wessels? |
| 19:28.56 | nuclear_eclipse | it's at Alameda |
| 19:29.10 | Dave | Where are the various ml's enumerated? |
| 19:29.39 | nuclear_eclipse | http://lists.openmoko.org/ |
| 19:30.24 | SpeedEvil | dave lists.openmoko.org |
| 19:31.11 | roh | Atava that information got added by me this morning;) |
| 19:31.15 | abraxa_ | ecraven: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c - hardcoded... (see line 1001+) |
| 19:31.21 | roh | Atava after steve asked for help about that ;) |
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| 19:32.23 | ecraven | abraxa_: thanks |
| 19:32.29 | ecraven | we should really get rid of neod... |
| 19:32.32 | pthorin | SpeedEvil: did you try the AGPS test gui? |
| 19:33.25 | SpeedEvil | pthorin: I have no freerunner |
| 19:33.30 | pthorin | oh, I see |
| 19:33.42 | pthorin | but shouldn't I get some reading for the signal strength? |
| 19:33.48 | pthorin | or is that only when I have a fix? |
| 19:33.50 | abraxa_ | ecraven: It's just a collection of random hacks, yeah. Something proper would be nice, however FSO will spread those tasks out into several deamons, so only the folks who want to not rely on those need neod |
| 19:33.51 | SpeedEvil | Not if there is no signal |
| 19:34.18 | ecraven | pthorin: it seems the only thing that works without a fix is the time |
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| 19:34.38 | pthorin | ecraven: yes, that I got working earlier |
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| 19:35.37 | ecraven | pthorin: me, still not :( |
| 19:35.54 | pthorin | ecraven: even outside? |
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| 19:37.34 | ecraven | pthorin: yes, but i only tried for 5 minutes or so |
| 19:37.43 | ecraven | though without any trees or houses within 100m, blue sky.. |
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| 19:38.29 | pthorin | ecraven: yeah, blue sky for me too, I think I got the time fairly quickly |
| 19:38.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd25a34e6b93b 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): update illume to use new ompower and new bindings and actions for shutdown |
| 19:38.38 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6cc4c3a5e926 10/ (25 files in 13 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
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| 19:39.27 | ecraven | pthorin: i'll try again tomorrow, or this weekend |
| 19:39.34 | ecraven | no open space at work :( |
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| 19:43.36 | pthorin | ecraven: would be great if you could put stuff up at GPS_Problems and/or at GPS on the wiki |
| 19:43.39 | thiesen | Where is the internal GPS connector? |
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| 19:46.23 | Dave | aww |
| 19:46.27 | ecraven | pthorin: will do :) |
| 19:46.30 | Dave | I could post a boatload of gps issues :) |
| 19:46.34 | Dave | or faqs |
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| 19:46.43 | ecraven | i want to put up all my experiences with the FR, but i'm not sure ASU is the best platform for testing |
| 19:46.47 | leinir | Can anyone confirm for me that inputting numbers (that is, switching from letter to number input) in ASU 20080709 does not work? :) |
| 19:46.52 | ecraven | i'll give FSO a try tomorrow, maybe |
| 19:47.07 | ecraven | leinir: i tried, it seems to work sometimes, and sometimes not |
| 19:47.24 | leinir | Hmm... i shall have to try again, then :) |
| 19:48.20 | Dave | ecraven, what about gtk? :p |
| 19:48.36 | ecraven | Dave: i guess first the basic things have to work, then the gui |
| 19:48.36 | Dave | leinir, with which keyboard? |
| 19:48.43 | Dave | yep |
| 19:48.59 | Dave | Sorry, I was referring to the om-devel image :p |
| 19:49.08 | Dave | which seems to work [better] |
| 19:49.20 | raster | leinir: works just fine |
| 19:49.42 | raster | . entering words and numbers right now |
| 19:49.44 | Chocky | there's just one thing to say. |
| 19:49.47 | Chocky | moose! |
| 19:50.00 | doc|work | mmmmoose |
| 19:50.05 | Dave | uggh, subscribing to mailing lists... |
| 19:50.12 | Chocky | Dave: dangerous |
| 19:50.15 | Dave | who knew it would be so difficult... |
| 19:50.24 | Chocky | just use the archive, Luke |
| 19:50.28 | Dave | Chocky, DANGER WILL ROBINSON! |
| 19:50.49 | Chocky | is that like Will Call? |
| 19:51.41 | ecraven | is there a way to get matchbox-stroke work like the multitap-pad? to disappear and appear only when needed? |
| 19:52.00 | Dave | I wish |
| 19:52.11 | Dave | it seems to have a mind of its own sometimes, right ecraven? ;D |
| 19:52.26 | ecraven | i started it, and it just stayed on the bottom, no way to make it disappear |
| 19:52.33 | Dave | hah |
| 19:52.41 | Dave | I accidentally got it to stick to the top of the screen yesterday |
| 19:52.50 | leinir | Right... how is one supposed to make the number pad appear? |
| 19:52.55 | Dave | not only that, it was persisitent across all applications, even on the home menu and clock |
| 19:52.58 | Dave | fun. |
| 19:53.01 | Dave | haha |
| 19:53.08 | Dave | leinir, numberpad? |
| 19:53.13 | leinir | It just happened by accident, and i have NO idea how it happened |
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| 19:53.16 | Dave | Are you referring to the multitap-pad? |
| 19:53.26 | Dave | you likely selected a text field |
| 19:53.29 | Dave | (input field) |
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| 19:53.49 | Dave | try the terminal app or to a much lesser extent, the browser :p |
| 19:54.03 | leinir | Dave: ASU stack :) |
| 19:54.04 | ecraven | Dave: i never got the multitap-pad in the browser |
| 19:54.57 | Dave | well you CAN for entering addresses, but never for filling out fields in a webpage (which is really what you want) :D |
| 19:55.03 | raster | leinir: you mean switch from letters to numbers? |
| 19:55.05 | Dave | silly counterintuitive software :D |
| 19:55.10 | leinir | raster: Yes :) |
| 19:55.11 | raster | ormake they keyboard appear at all? |
| 19:55.14 | Dave | leinir, press shift? or * ? |
| 19:55.25 | raster | Dave: no - asu. |
| 19:55.33 | Dave | okay? |
| 19:55.36 | raster | leinir: slide your finger "up" on the kbd |
| 19:55.39 | leinir | raster: Switch from letters to numbers :) |
| 19:55.41 | Dave | so press buttons, make things happen |
| 19:55.44 | raster | that switches keyboard layouts |
| 19:55.50 | leinir | Right... i'll give that one a shot :) |
| 19:55.55 | raster | slide right for "space/next wird" |
| 19:56.00 | Dave | go buy an iphone, see what works |
| 19:56.02 | raster | slide down for "enter/return" |
| 19:56.06 | raster | slide left for backspace |
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| 19:57.31 | leinir | Yeah, i found out about the left, right and down :) For some reason i didn't get up... let's see if i can't make it work now ;) |
| 19:57.58 | leinir | Yeah, there we go... Not exactly discoverable much, but works nicely once you learn it :) |
| 19:57.59 | Chocky | decides no tracking number is coming today, and does some work |
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| 19:59.31 | leinir | All connected up and stuff ;) |
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| 19:59.47 | ecraven | are people using milestone 1 of FSO? or something more up-to-date |
| 20:00.31 | linuxxr | i cant find where it says what voltage the device is |
| 20:00.38 | SpeedEvil | I've added a link fro GPS_Problems to Neo1973_Dissasembly at the appropriate point to illustrate the internal GPS connection. Can anyone verigy they are similar, or better, show pics. |
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| 20:00.50 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: wha device? |
| 20:01.41 | raster | leinir: dont look at me - i didnt design the interaction. it was requested. i personally think the usability is hard to figure out without a manual. it's not obvious - but its a direct copy of the qtopia keyboard - EXCEPT i made down be enter/rturn. the qtopia kbd has down/up only flip layouts/modes. |
| 20:01.58 | linuxxr | freerunner |
| 20:02.46 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: it runs on USB - so 5V |
| 20:02.56 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: the battery is one Li-uion cell |
| 20:03.03 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: so 3.0-4.2V or so. |
| 20:03.36 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, can you be sure it doesn't change the voltage somewhere in the middle? ;) |
| 20:03.41 | leinir | raster: i absolutely agree :) Not too clever a decision... |
| 20:03.53 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: yes, there are eleventy-billion little voltage rails. |
| 20:03.55 | raster | overall once u work it out |
| 20:03.58 | raster | its rather nice |
| 20:04.08 | raster | with a bigger dictionary.. it's very usable |
| 20:04.11 | raster | even with fingers |
| 20:04.15 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: Probably fewer than a dozen. |
| 20:04.17 | raster | i know it has bugs |
| 20:04.21 | raster | i need to fix them |
| 20:04.26 | raster | but i'm eternally busy |
| 20:04.27 | leinir | Great for poweruserey type things, but a simpler user type thing like a popup menu to select them (like, say, use that big empty area in the lower left corner) might be good :) |
| 20:04.46 | Chocky | 5V power user? |
| 20:04.48 | leinir | you could use the same popup for selecting input language :) |
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| 20:04.55 | leinir | Chocky: Nah, 12V ;) |
| 20:05.44 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/TE7O1104_R01_CNS13438_FIC_GTA02.pdf has nice PCB pictures |
| 20:05.53 | linuxxr | 36 volts |
| 20:06.31 | SpeedEvil | Eww - pdf |
| 20:06.41 | Dave | haha |
| 20:07.02 | Dave | Agreed. |
| 20:07.07 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Not my choice :) |
| 20:10.00 | Dave | oh, pthorin I have experienced the same thing as you |
| 20:10.01 | torpor | hey guys what image are you running right now? |
| 20:10.03 | Dave | it's really strange |
| 20:10.25 | linuxxr | is that the 3.7v li-Ion |
| 20:11.03 | Dave | I'll have five GTA02's running identical stuff, except ONE of them, no matter the conditions, it will never get a gps fix (while the others will get one, and usually quite expediently), this one will never get a fix and just spits out crap like that 99 99 9999 |
| 20:11.07 | raster | leinir: i can do a lot of things with the kbd |
| 20:11.08 | raster | i want to |
| 20:11.11 | raster | but short on time |
| 20:11.14 | raster | and a lot of thngs to do |
| 20:11.16 | raster | right now itworks |
| 20:11.23 | raster | enouhg to enter text for messages, contacts etc. |
| 20:11.24 | Dave | the shitty part is that one WORKED at one time |
| 20:11.33 | Dave | so I figure perhaps it broke, or software broke it or something :P |
| 20:11.53 | leinir | raster: *nods* True, true :) The linux way - we can get to the pretty later on, for now effort is needed elsewhere :) |
| 20:11.57 | linuxxr | u mean the hardware is broke? |
| 20:12.15 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: have you tried replugging the GPS antenna? |
| 20:12.17 | SpeedEvil | dave: |
| 20:12.22 | raster | loike better reliable and consistent and "correct" suspend.resume |
| 20:12.33 | Dave | Speedevil, inside? |
| 20:12.34 | raster | that wont chew your batteries and turn backlights on when u dont need them etc. |
| 20:12.37 | SpeedEvil | Dave: yes |
| 20:12.39 | Dave | Speedevil, I've even tried using an external one! |
| 20:12.50 | SpeedEvil | Dave:P and see if it's pinched or anything on assembly? |
| 20:12.51 | raster | i need to speed up exquisite (gui bootsplash thing) |
| 20:12.51 | Dave | though I never tried anything inside... yet |
| 20:13.05 | raster | and look at optimising e's startup a bit |
| 20:13.18 | raster | ned to look at etk's momentum handler for finger scroll |
| 20:13.19 | Dave | Speedevil, but would that account for why it worked initially, and subsequently after the first time, it has not since. |
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| 20:13.32 | raster | it seems trigger-happy in deciding u "flicked"a list somewhere |
| 20:13.36 | raster | blah blah... |
| 20:13.37 | raster | lots |
| 20:13.38 | SpeedEvil | Dave: I dunno |
| 20:13.40 | Dave | I guess there is just too much speculation on my part, there, and I may want to investigate it. |
| 20:13.53 | SpeedEvil | Dave: if it' was barely pluged on. |
| 20:14.02 | Dave | throws his black sheep freerunner at Speedevil |
| 20:14.05 | Dave | fine, you fix it! |
| 20:14.07 | Dave | :) |
| 20:14.18 | SpeedEvil | Dave: Mail me. |
| 20:14.20 | linuxxr | antenea wire broke off |
| 20:14.35 | SpeedEvil | The alternative would be another issue with the GPS signal switch. |
| 20:14.46 | linuxxr | pinched in the case |
| 20:14.50 | SpeedEvil | Dave: you haven't been playing tennis or something with it"? |
| 20:14.59 | Dave | uhh, not yet, anyway :D |
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| 20:15.27 | Dave | speedevil, so do you suggest I open it up and take a looksie |
| 20:15.38 | Dave | I should probably check out the internal layout now anyway |
| 20:15.42 | linuxxr | straight from the factory stuff |
| 20:16.17 | Dave | Oh, and thanks for that chinese pdf, whoever you were. |
| 20:16.48 | SpeedEvil | Dave: yes |
| 20:16.57 | SpeedEvil | Dave: it was abraxa_. |
| 20:17.28 | SpeedEvil | Dave: the 'dead' one doesn't work with the external antenna? |
| 20:17.36 | Dave | Oh, so the GPS antenna is located on the very "top" of the device... |
| 20:17.43 | SpeedEvil | Dave: yes |
| 20:17.48 | Dave | Speedevil, nope, it wasn't, anyway. |
| 20:18.03 | SpeedEvil | wasn't? |
| 20:18.11 | Dave | Yep, last I tried it with one |
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| 20:18.37 | Dave | I've had the "bad one" connected up to a large gps antenna when I do gps tests now, in the hopes it will work. |
| 20:18.40 | Dave | Alas |
| 20:18.47 | linuxxr | whats with the huge blocks of wood |
| 20:18.48 | Dave | even with the huge boost it gets, still nothing |
| 20:18.54 | Dave | haha yeah, I noticed that too, lunuxxr |
| 20:18.55 | Dave | :p |
| 20:19.11 | linuxxr | an thats some reel 21st century mnfg. there |
| 20:19.18 | SpeedEvil | Huce blocks of wood are traditional in electronics construction. |
| 20:19.19 | Dave | I was thinking... Hmm, so the Chinese's idea of a cleanroom, is testing in a log cabin? :D |
| 20:19.22 | Chocky | made in China? |
| 20:19.33 | Dave | Of course! |
| 20:19.39 | Dave | What children do it better? ;D |
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| 20:19.49 | benlake | chuckles |
| 20:19.50 | linuxxr | thats what they do with all thast red oak they buy |
| 20:19.50 | Dave | eh, maybe koreans, nowadays, actually. |
| 20:20.06 | Dave | I hear they feed them slightly more rice per pcb printout :p |
| 20:20.06 | Chocky | SpeedEvil: that explains why sometimes, they wooden go. |
| 20:20.08 | SpeedEvil | Wood - bare wood - is actually a just fine assembly surface. |
| 20:20.24 | SpeedEvil | It's antistatic, non-slip, heat resistant. |
| 20:20.27 | Dave | Chocky, oh god, that's terrible! |
| 20:20.32 | Dave | :P |
| 20:20.38 | Chocky | high fives |
| 20:20.46 | SpeedEvil | And you can bang nails into it for testficxtures. |
| 20:20.49 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 20:20.58 | Dave | speedevil, yes yes, we see your point, thank you |
| 20:21.11 | Dave | that and your entire lab could be eaten by termites, if you're not careful. |
| 20:21.13 | raster | and now for the big fun |
| 20:21.17 | Chocky | well, when our supplies of oil-based plastics run out, we can use cellulose instead |
| 20:21.33 | raster | how the fuck am i going to build this app with a special version of its lib requirements and make it statically link.... |
| 20:21.48 | Chocky | haxx0r teh makefile, lolz. |
| 20:22.01 | raster | ummmm |
| 20:22.03 | raster | its autofoo |
| 20:22.07 | raster | so... no |
| 20:22.07 | raster | :) |
| 20:22.16 | Dave | raster, nastily :] |
| 20:22.19 | Chocky | still can be done |
| 20:22.25 | tedo | you could still hack it ;) |
| 20:22.29 | raster | i could |
| 20:22.31 | raster | but i wont |
| 20:23.07 | Chocky | well. there are several ways. you can point it at your own special .pc files. |
| 20:23.18 | torpor | anyone using unionfs? |
| 20:23.21 | Chocky | that only helps for certain libraries though |
| 20:23.48 | raster | Chocky: likely i will ned to |
| 20:23.59 | Dave | So, has anyone else here run a jvm on either of the gta models yet? |
| 20:24.01 | raster | as ineed to also build special versions of those libs for static linking |
| 20:24.06 | nullpuppy | so, for those not following the list ... order 1087 is confirmed as shipped, and trakcing emails are going out as they ship. order 1087 got his confirmation late yesterday |
| 20:24.06 | Chocky | aye |
| 20:24.20 | Chocky | nullpuppy: but it seems, no one else so far ;-) |
| 20:24.25 | torpor | nullpuppy: cool |
| 20:24.25 | raster | i have to remove lots of options from them before linking to avoid excess ld.so linking happinss on boot |
| 20:24.35 | nullpuppy | Chocky: that we've heard from, yeah :/ |
| 20:24.43 | raster | Dave: i am not THAT masochistic |
| 20:24.45 | nullpuppy | is #1539, hoping it ships sometime today |
| 20:24.48 | Dave | haha, okay :D |
| 20:24.51 | raster | me and java... are not best of friends |
| 20:24.54 | Chocky | has given up for the day - 1345 |
| 20:24.55 | Dave | That is somewhat relieving :) |
| 20:25.06 | nullpuppy | hehe, its only 1:30, lots of time left |
| 20:25.14 | Dave | Though I have to run this app on the fr, it's in java |
| 20:25.16 | nullpuppy | it could be they're not picking up until late in the day |
| 20:25.21 | raster | ok |
| 20:25.23 | Chocky | coudl be |
| 20:25.27 | raster | so how do i get it to use custom .pc files... |
| 20:25.28 | raster | hmm |
| 20:25.32 | raster | this is going otbe messy |
| 20:25.32 | Dave | so far I've tweaked it enough to run but now getting major issues |
| 20:25.32 | nullpuppy | and from the sounds of it, they had some issues in the beginning, hence the delayed shipping |
| 20:25.57 | Dave | java.util.Vector, bleh. |
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| 20:26.30 | torpor | raster: use pkg-config and stick a big fat PKG_CONFIG_PATH on your invocation .. |
| 20:26.41 | torpor | with a path to libs in one set, and your new freshies in the other. |
| 20:26.42 | linuxxr | looks like a very common battery |
| 20:26.59 | Dave | yep |
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| 20:28.29 | Dave | heh, so no one's run any java on it yet? haha |
| 20:28.58 | raster | torpor: the poblem is openembedded already does this |
| 20:29.03 | raster | and i now have to override it... |
| 20:29.05 | linuxxr | surely the gps antenea being on the bottom wouldnt have any effect on gps satilite reception |
| 20:29.07 | raster | ouchness |
| 20:29.19 | _ferric | who'se bottom is the GPS antenna on!!! |
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| 20:29.40 | linuxxr | yya |
| 20:29.56 | torpor | i thought you could easily glom stuff into the openembedded buildkit .. |
| 20:30.06 | raster | the question is... how |
| 20:30.09 | raster | theres so much stuff there |
| 20:30.10 | raster | ok |
| 20:30.16 | Chocky | OE so phat |
| 20:30.19 | raster | first letme just make the fuckr build statically... |
| 20:30.21 | linuxxr | openmoko brand power supply too |
| 20:30.26 | Dave | linuxxr: no |
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| 20:30.43 | torpor | like, add your glom to put an additional pkg-config-path in the chain, in some 'global' file or something, then build *just* the package you need, and unglom it (or not) |
| 20:30.56 | Dave | torpor, yeah that stuff always annoys me. |
| 20:31.02 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: yes it woult |
| 20:31.04 | SpeedEvil | d |
| 20:31.17 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: at that wavelength, antennas on the bottom of devices pick up very little. |
| 20:31.32 | Dave | You need to mount one on a hat, like I did. |
| 20:31.37 | torpor | personally i hate it but thats why i'm working on my own distro for neo and freerunner .. when i get a freerunner, i'll set it up to build its own images, and keep hacking on my neo meantime .. ;) |
| 20:31.38 | linuxxr | if u were holding it upright i think at times it would |
| 20:31.44 | Dave | and wear it, when you go outside, connected to your freerunner :D |
| 20:31.54 | Dave | makes you very receptive, and look like a major dork! |
| 20:32.23 | linuxxr | y blue tooth antenea haha |
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| 20:33.42 | Dave | eh? |
| 20:34.38 | doc|work | Dave: no way, look really cool :( |
| 20:34.45 | doc|work | takes off his hat :( |
| 20:34.55 | Dave | :D |
| 20:35.16 | doc|work | twirls propeller one last time |
| 20:36.12 | Dave | uggh |
| 20:36.16 | Dave | NEVER AGAIN |
| 20:36.26 | Dave | grumbles |
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| 20:36.45 | Dave | throws his java application at doc|work |
| 20:36.46 | raster | hmm |
| 20:36.50 | Dave | here, YOU have it! |
| 20:37.00 | raster | ok stupid - how do i force static linking the "autofoo" way? |
| 20:37.10 | raster | LDFLAGS="-static" is... useless |
| 20:37.18 | Chocky | heh |
| 20:37.25 | doc|work | Dave: what does it do? |
| 20:37.39 | Chocky | it depends, but there's a good chance you'll need to hack the Makefile(.in) |
| 20:37.45 | Dave | WHO KNOWS |
| 20:37.53 | Dave | Since it can't run... yet |
| 20:37.55 | raster | fuckers |
| 20:38.00 | Dave | pretty much :P |
| 20:38.02 | raster | that means i really will need those custon .pc's |
| 20:38.08 | raster | that point to .a's |
| 20:38.15 | doc|work | Dave: what's it meant to do? |
| 20:38.16 | raster | damn libtool and iut trying to use .so's not .a;s |
| 20:38.30 | Dave | doc, exemplify a newly created networking protocol |
| 20:38.32 | raster | man libtool pisses me off |
| 20:38.40 | Dave | I've got it working on pc |
| 20:38.42 | Chocky | raster: welcome to GNU |
| 20:38.47 | Dave | but apparently not on the phones yet :P |
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| 20:41.09 | raster | fuck |
| 20:41.16 | raster | i really am going to have to make custom .pc's |
| 20:41.18 | raster | fuck |
| 20:41.21 | Chocky | aw |
| 20:41.26 | Dave | fuck, fuck, fuckity fuck fuck. |
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| 20:41.40 | raster | EXACTLY! |
| 20:41.45 | Dave | :] |
| 20:41.48 | torpor | come on custom .pc's are not so hard. |
| 20:41.50 | Dave | yeah, I'm all too familiar with it :| |
| 20:42.05 | raster | torpor: but making it all work within OE |
| 20:42.05 | doc|work | Dave: very coy, ok :) |
| 20:42.10 | raster | ... |
| 20:42.15 | _ferric | i believe the right thing to say is: fuck fuckity, fuck fuck fuck |
| 20:42.21 | torpor | be really boring if you have to edit the .lib segment with emacs |
| 20:42.55 | Dave | eww emacs |
| 20:42.57 | torpor | raster i think you just need to copy the recipe for the package you're trying to glom, then build the .bb itself separately from the main tree |
| 20:43.15 | torpor | put your own new dir details in there, etc, give a new package name .. |
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| 20:44.09 | _ferric | vim ftw! |
| 20:44.42 | raster | to problem is they inherit from classes |
| 20:44.48 | raster | and i now need to deviate fromthe template |
| 20:45.24 | Dave | high-fives ferric. |
| 20:45.57 | Dave | raster, be a rebel, deviate from the standards, and start your OWN system! :P |
| 20:46.03 | raster | hahahah |
| 20:46.08 | Dave | hell yeah! |
| 20:46.10 | Chocky | cue "python sucks" |
| 20:46.20 | Dave | hisses at Chocky |
| 20:47.37 | Dave | sekret intarnetz? |
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| 20:55.21 | ab0oo | congrats to the openmoko team on getting the Freerunner out the door. I feel like I'm holding a baby, imaging the possibilities... |
| 20:55.35 | ab0oo | "you could be a doctor, or an astronaut, or a serial murderer..." |
| 20:55.41 | Chocky | stuff comes out both ends? ;-) |
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| 20:56.09 | ab0oo | Chocky: well, that too... I just got usbnet up, so I'm grinning ear to ear. |
| 20:56.26 | Chocky | my kingdom for a tracking number |
| 20:56.46 | nuclear_eclipse | Chocky: +10 |
| 20:58.22 | ab0oo | FWIW, my order number was 1040 and I got mine this morning |
| 20:58.37 | ab0oo | it was shipped yesterday PM |
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| 20:59.29 | swc|666 | ab0oo: what shipping option did u choose and where are u? |
| 20:59.49 | torpor | you guys knoew how to use unionfs on neo? |
| 20:59.51 | ab0oo | I'm in Georgia, and I asked for "Standard" 1 day shipping. |
| 20:59.56 | ab0oo | it came via UPS |
| 21:00.05 | _ferric | ab0oo: very cool |
| 21:00.08 | swc|666 | nice |
| 21:00.09 | _ferric | now get hacking! |
| 21:00.13 | swc|666 | congrats |
| 21:00.35 | ab0oo | kudos to liane, I actually ordered it to be shipped to my hotel in DC, thinking it would ship Thursday and arrive Friday, but I forgot about the holiday |
| 21:01.02 | ab0oo | I sent liane an email, and they re-routed it for me (actually, just shipped it to the correct address) |
| 21:01.15 | Dave | aroo |
| 21:01.22 | swc|666 | yea i found out that UPS offers that |
| 21:01.38 | Dave | haha, Chocky |
| 21:01.43 | Dave | What would we do without you? :) |
| 21:02.02 | Chocky | who knows, you've done ok until now |
| 21:02.11 | SpeedEvil | tries to remember. |
| 21:02.20 | SpeedEvil | 80s kids TV series? |
| 21:02.26 | Chocky | :p |
| 21:02.26 | Dave | hahaha hot, I finally got this working. :p |
| 21:02.38 | Chocky | not named after that, no |
| 21:02.40 | Dave | :p, indeed. |
| 21:03.05 | ab0oo | so.... qtopia or FSO... |
| 21:03.37 | _ferric | qtopia |
| 21:03.39 | ab0oo | since I have a small, private shrine to lorn potter in my computer room, I think I'll flash qtopia on it. |
| 21:03.40 | leinir | Dave: http://digg.com/software/First_alpha_release_of_Amarok_2_0_Malina <-- Digg it, for the release picture is made of cuteness! ;) |
| 21:04.06 | Dave | :o |
| 21:04.26 | lpotter | hmm |
| 21:04.46 | Dave | Uhh, what? |
| 21:05.03 | Dave | Made of cuteness, I think your site got hacked then, leinir. :p |
| 21:05.15 | leinir | It's a little wolf cub :) |
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| 21:05.45 | Dave | It most resembles a grainy thumbnail of a human fetus. |
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| 21:06.45 | ab0oo | lpotter: I'm not going to regret flashing the qtopia image, am I? I've been using qtopia since my ipaq 3870 5 or 6 years ago. |
| 21:07.00 | Chocky | ab0oot time |
| 21:07.28 | leinir | Dave: Hmm... Go to the source, then... should have a bigger version of it :) |
| 21:08.12 | Dave | I'd rather not. |
| 21:09.15 | leinir | Aww... |
| 21:09.18 | leinir | Spoilsport ;) |
| 21:09.46 | Chocky | are we running KDE apps on FR now? |
| 21:09.57 | Dave | hahah yeah, no |
| 21:09.59 | Dave | That's another thing |
| 21:10.03 | ab0oo | I intend to... |
| 21:10.04 | Dave | kde.org (pass) |
| 21:10.07 | kelvie_work | I also do intend to |
| 21:10.19 | Dave | I intend to burn all unbelievers. |
| 21:10.20 | leinir | Chocky: Well, amarok2 won't fit on a VGA screen :) |
| 21:10.20 | kelvie_work | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/blog/2892 |
| 21:10.34 | leinir | But we do have some serious hope for certain parts of the Amarok 2 UI :) |
| 21:10.47 | Dave | sounds way too resource intensive. |
| 21:10.49 | kelvie_work | if it works on 1973, why not this |
| 21:10.51 | Dave | that, and fugly. |
| 21:11.04 | Dave | kelvie_work: we wouldn't want to contaminate perfection :P |
| 21:11.11 | Dave | laughs, snidely |
| 21:11.14 | ab0oo | is it right that, at total idle, the load average on the FR is 2.18? |
| 21:11.15 | Chocky | Dave: first we'd have to find it |
| 21:11.20 | Dave | Indeed :p |
| 21:11.38 | kelvie_work | you really don't like KDE, do you.... |
| 21:11.51 | Dave | Absolutely not. |
| 21:12.08 | Chocky | likes KDE, but I' |
| 21:12.14 | Chocky | but I'm not sure it belongs on my phone |
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| 21:12.35 | DocCod | hi |
| 21:12.39 | Dave | The only decent thing which ever started with a Kaptial K was Mortal Kombat, but even that was subjective :p |
| 21:12.41 | kelvie_work | I wouldn't want the whole stack on my phone |
| 21:12.42 | Dave | giggles |
| 21:12.48 | kelvie_work | I wouldn't mind parts of Plasma |
| 21:12.55 | leinir | Not a KDE desktop, that'd be going against KDE policy as well (KDE desktop sits on SVGA, not anything smaller) |
| 21:13.09 | kelvie_work | and Amarok for sure |
| 21:13.11 | DocCod | how do i power up the bluetooth chip in ASU? |
| 21:13.12 | Dave | haha, yeah, it sure is one fat ass :p |
| 21:13.24 | Chocky | surely there's something better suited than Amarok. |
| 21:13.26 | leinir | Amarok doesn't fit, but we *are* pondering on ways of making a proper mobile Amarok :) |
| 21:13.36 | Dave | wonders how big leinir's stack is, as well :p |
| 21:13.38 | IXian-probe | So, a GPS question.. On a bright day, on a rooftop with 360 degrees view, ffix from 13 satelites.. is a average of 147-149 dbm acceptable? |
| 21:13.44 | kelvie_work | I am pretty sure KDE will be fine on a VGA desktop |
| 21:13.50 | Dave | leinir a proper mobile app, well now, that's a bit different :) |
| 21:13.51 | leinir | Chocky: Yes, like something with a 1024x768 screen ;) |
| 21:13.51 | kelvie_work | you can resize the panel |
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| 21:14.04 | Chocky | e.g. Totem |
| 21:14.16 | opentrinity | hi |
| 21:14.21 | leinir | kelvie_work: Well yes, but it's not our intention - we'd rather not compromise :) |
| 21:14.24 | linuxxr | mpg123 |
| 21:14.28 | Chocky | that was our player when I did OE stuff for NetBook Pro - 800x200 |
| 21:14.34 | DocCod | i tried i tried echo "1" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on but it doesn't work |
| 21:14.46 | Dave | hrm |
| 21:14.47 | Chocky | mpg123 is slow on ARM. you want madplay |
| 21:14.53 | linuxxr | o |
| 21:14.56 | DocCod | bluetooth is not listed in lsusb nor does a cat of the same file show 1 afterwards |
| 21:14.57 | Dave | heh |
| 21:14.59 | Dave | mad play go |
| 21:15.03 | Dave | s/g/y/ |
| 21:15.07 | Chocky | or perhaps mpg321 |
| 21:15.16 | opentrinity | nobody knows when Neo freerunner 900 will be available? (is sold out :-/) |
| 21:15.16 | kelvie_work | leinir: I could have sworn I heard aseigo say he had touchscreen and small screen devices in mind when he was designing plasma |
| 21:15.16 | SpeedEvil | IXian-probe: it's not a absolute figure as I understand it. |
| 21:15.22 | Dave | high-fives apt |
| 21:15.30 | opentrinity | anybody* |
| 21:15.33 | leinir | kelvie_work: He did - plasma itself :) |
| 21:15.35 | opentrinity | sorry |
| 21:15.36 | Chocky | opentrinity: a few weeks |
| 21:15.58 | opentrinity | Chocky, i hope so :D |
| 21:15.59 | ab0oo | opentrinity: I think I saw july 18th |
| 21:16.06 | opentrinity | :D |
| 21:16.22 | opentrinity | all of you have a openmoko? |
| 21:16.28 | Chocky | hardly |
| 21:16.40 | SpeedEvil | opentrinity: no |
| 21:16.56 | ab0oo | for about 3 hours... |
| 21:17.06 | linuxxr | a freerunner |
| 21:17.11 | IXian-probe | SpeedEvil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBm |
| 21:17.14 | torpor | neo1973 for about 1 year, and i'm gonna get my freerunner next week hopefully .. |
| 21:17.29 | opentrinity | what are your impressions? |
| 21:17.36 | Dave | keeps leinir away from his blood. |
| 21:17.47 | torpor | i like it, its a great linux box. |
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| 21:18.41 | opentrinity | good!!! . |
| 21:18.43 | Fossi | what image do the fr ships with? |
| 21:18.49 | Fossi | and hi btw :) |
| 21:19.11 | Dave | I believe it's om-devel-gta02 from around april |
| 21:19.16 | ab0oo | opentrinity: it's bare naked. I made a phone call with it, got an SMS with it, and that's about it |
| 21:19.20 | leinir | thinks the answer to that question needs to be in the topic ;) |
| 21:19.26 | Dave | unless the latest shipments were secretly upgraded |
| 21:19.39 | linuxxr | yay |
| 21:19.39 | ab0oo | it seems to sleep, sort of. it runs at a load average of 2.30 |
| 21:19.41 | Dave | pokes Speedevil |
| 21:19.51 | Dave | ab0oo: right :p |
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| 21:19.54 | ab0oo | usbnet works, wifi sorta works |
| 21:19.58 | Dave | it's a bit counterintuitive/shitty :) |
| 21:20.02 | Dave | yep yep |
| 21:20.05 | Dave | you got it! |
| 21:20.05 | IXian-probe | SpeedEvil: wikipedia says otherwise, dbm is absolute.. ^_^ |
| 21:20.26 | ab0oo | I wouldn't go to "shitty". I'd go to "If you've never, ever played with embedded linux before, welcome to the REAL world" |
| 21:20.55 | SpeedEvil | IXian-probe: yes - it's absolute - but the output possibly not an accurate representation of the signal. |
| 21:20.58 | linuxxr | y let the hackAGE BEGIN again |
| 21:21.13 | IXian-probe | SpeedEvil: yeah, but that's why I'm asking.. |
| 21:21.26 | Fossi | so it's some asu snapshot from april? |
| 21:21.54 | SpeedEvil | Fossi: no |
| 21:22.13 | opentrinity | i'm so impatient.... |
| 21:22.17 | SpeedEvil | Fossi: ASU is the 'new' semifunctional hack that smashed qtopia and some other bits together. |
| 21:22.25 | Fossi | SpeedEvil: i get weird characters after my name from you |
| 21:22.27 | SpeedEvil | Fossi: 2007.2 is what predated it |
| 21:22.51 | opentrinity | ii hope before august to order it :-/ |
| 21:23.02 | Fossi | so, what the hell is 2007.08? |
| 21:23.11 | linuxxr | I HOPE BEFORE AUGUST TO GET IT |
| 21:23.18 | Chocky | so shouty |
| 21:23.18 | Fossi | some never '2007' line release? |
| 21:23.25 | linuxxr | sorry |
| 21:23.28 | Fossi | *newer |
| 21:24.22 | linuxxr | i got me spare battery charged an ready |
| 21:24.40 | Dave | Yay! |
| 21:24.44 | Dave | high-fives linuxxr |
| 21:24.49 | linuxxr | yays |
| 21:24.56 | Dave | Now your freerunner will never 'die', if you are careful :) |
| 21:24.59 | Dave | good job |
| 21:25.06 | Dave | just make sure one is always charged, as a backup :) |
| 21:25.50 | opentrinity | good night to me...bye all and thank you... |
| 21:25.53 | ab0oo | the laser/stylus is kinda slick... |
| 21:26.16 | ab0oo | I wish I had a cat to use the laser to mess with |
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| 21:26.27 | linuxxr | as in u can drop it easily? |
| 21:26.56 | linuxxr | red green? |
| 21:26.57 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 21:27.03 | Dave | terrible :P |
| 21:27.09 | Dave | ab0oo: it works with dogs too :P |
| 21:27.11 | Dave | :D |
| 21:27.15 | Chocky | and kids? |
| 21:27.18 | Dave | Poor silly animals :D |
| 21:27.24 | Dave | chocky, no, but with blondes! |
| 21:27.25 | Dave | :D |
| 21:27.29 | Chocky | sweet |
| 21:27.31 | Dave | laughs |
| 21:27.34 | ab0oo | hmm, 8 year old daughter just walked in... lets see.... |
| 21:27.38 | Dave | :D! |
| 21:27.40 | torpor | /cler/clear |
| 21:27.47 | _ferric | checks the channel name |
| 21:27.50 | linuxxr | y shes jumping |
| 21:27.50 | Dave | ab0oo: add your results to the wiki |
| 21:27.51 | Dave | :p |
| 21:27.54 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 21:28.07 | ab0oo | yes... kids, too |
| 21:28.27 | Dave | Excellent >:) |
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| 21:29.07 | ab0oo | 1/2 way to qtopia utopia... |
| 21:29.12 | Dave | \o/ |
| 21:30.01 | ab0oo | what's the differences between the jffs2 and the jffs.nosummary? |
| 21:30.11 | Dave | shrugs |
| 21:30.22 | ccfly | good night |
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| 21:30.34 | ab0oo | bigger is better... going with the .jffs2 image. |
| 21:31.16 | Dave | good idea |
| 21:31.24 | Dave | oh and funny how you said half-way there |
| 21:31.39 | Dave | since flashing the kernel takes one minute and flashing the rootfs takes about fifteen :p |
| 21:31.46 | Dave | smirks |
| 21:32.08 | ab0oo | hmm, the "boot from SD looks like a better option |
| 21:32.12 | Chocky | high fives |
| 21:32.36 | ab0oo | means I need to steal another micro-SD from my gumstix board... |
| 21:32.43 | Fossi | so, if it's a 2007.2 version, where are all the cool apps gone to? do i have to update to a newer version of the 2007 line? |
| 21:32.52 | leinir | ab0oo: Yes, seems like the better option, except i couldn't get it to work ;) |
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| 21:34.52 | Xaos | For those of you that have ordered your new FR, check out Woot today (http://www.woot.com) 2GB microSD with adaptor for $5.99 |
| 21:35.44 | ab0oo | curious why the uboot is version 1.3.2-rc2-dirty-moko12... |
| 21:35.54 | ab0oo | is there a "clean" version, too? |
| 21:35.54 | torpor | who has wlan.py? |
| 21:36.29 | torpor | Xaos: i have a set of 8gig microSD's, i got from saturn.at |
| 21:36.57 | Xaos | torpor: NICE! how much? I was wanting an 8GB, but settled for this based on the price (for now anyway) |
| 21:38.09 | doc|work | how many sd readers in the neo? just one, right? |
| 21:38.14 | kelvie_work | 8G microSD is available for 40$US (free worldwide shipping) from dealextreme.com |
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| 21:38.47 | doc|work | kelvie_work: nice! |
| 21:38.58 | torpor | Xaos: 15euro's or so, i forgot, it was a big shopping day, but i know they're cheap. |
| 21:39.17 | doc|work | might get three, two for my n800, one for freerunner |
| 21:39.24 | ab0oo | 15 euros... that's like $75 US, right? :) |
| 21:39.27 | torpor | i got a goal: put a full-source distro on an 8gig micro-SD, then make a snapshot. ;) |
| 21:39.29 | kelvie_work | shipping takes about 2 weeks to Vancouver though :p |
| 21:39.31 | doc|work | ab0oo: getting that way :) |
| 21:39.36 | doc|work | kelvie_work: boooo |
| 21:39.42 | kelvie_work | but hey |
| 21:39.42 | kelvie_work | it's cheap |
| 21:39.45 | kelvie_work | and free :) |
| 21:39.47 | doc|work | kelvie_work: you ordering? I'd get in on that. |
| 21:39.53 | kelvie_work | it's free shipping |
| 21:39.56 | kelvie_work | so it does not matter :p |
| 21:40.06 | doc|work | well, yeah, but ... nothing :o |
| 21:40.06 | kelvie_work | I already ordered mine a week ago |
| 21:40.17 | Xaos | What's the difference between class 4 and class 6? |
| 21:40.24 | doc|work | Xaos: class 6 is faster |
| 21:40.35 | doc|work | iirc |
| 21:40.47 | Xaos | on DealExtreme, the Transcend 8GB is Class 6, but it isn't listed on the HW compat chart for FR |
| 21:41.09 | Xaos | wait...that's an SD...not microSD |
| 21:41.26 | linuxxr | still ok |
| 21:41.28 | Lynet | They tightened up the spec with sdhc, any sdhc card should work in an sdhc reader. |
| 21:41.56 | Lynet | and 8GB is guaranteed to be sdhc. The sh addressing mode tops out at 4gb. |
| 21:42.01 | Lynet | sd |
| 21:42.19 | _ferric | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13305 that? |
| 21:42.56 | _ferric | so, does the FR have an SDHC reader? :) |
| 21:43.20 | Xaos | I'm guessing that the SanDisk 8GB is the current favorite then? |
| 21:43.29 | Xaos | I may have to order that from DealExtreme as well |
| 21:43.43 | ab0oo | hah, "Booting" has a picture of a pair of boots. lol |
| 21:43.53 | Xaos | ab0oo: yeah...I laughed too |
| 21:44.21 | Lynet | I'm still waiting for the sandisk 12GB to become available in stores. They were sampling in January afair, so they should be available soon. |
| 21:44.37 | Xaos | has anybody (U.S.) received a shipping notice? are they shipping yet? |
| 21:45.23 | linuxxr | nope |
| 21:45.29 | linuxxr | 2039 |
| 21:45.56 | ab0oo | Xaos: 1040 - delivered this morning |
| 21:46.00 | rtm | THere was a message on the community page that someone in the 1000s got a message with a tracking number. |
| 21:46.00 | Fossi | that kobo deluxe game is likely the most stupid port. ever. |
| 21:46.15 | Xaos | hmm...I'm at 1220 and haven't received a notice yet |
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| 21:46.32 | rtm | Also, there was a message from Steve@openmoko that tracking nubers will be sent when orders ship. |
| 21:46.48 | Chocky | there's an echo in here |
| 21:48.12 | doc|work | Lynet: how much would those cost? |
| 21:48.34 | Fossi | does somebody know where opkg puts it's lockfile? |
| 21:48.39 | key__ | http://shop1.frys.com/product/5291727 <-- looks like 29.99 for 8GB here, will this work? |
| 21:49.51 | Xaos | key__: That's an SD card...you want a microSD card |
| 21:50.12 | key__ | Xaos: doh.... thanks |
| 21:50.44 | Xaos | np |
| 21:50.56 | Xaos | I get excited when I see those too...then I look closer |
| 21:50.57 | Xaos | ;-) |
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| 21:54.22 | Lynet | doc|work: Well, since they are not available in stores yet, how am I to know? |
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| 21:57.52 | Fossi | i don't get it. at all. why do screenshots from last year's today2 look so good and the freerunner release downsn't even feature a clock? |
| 21:58.07 | Chocky | heh |
| 21:58.17 | Chocky | maybe this helps |
| 21:58.21 | Chocky | http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/open-moko-software.ars |
| 21:58.25 | wurp2|away | Fossi: The home page on FR doesn't have a clock? |
| 21:58.32 | linuxxr | Dutch customers over the border can pay just 1 euro ($1.57) for an iPhone if they pick a contract with operator T-Mobile. |
| 21:58.34 | Fossi | could i install a 2007.2 snapshot today2? or is something broken on the way through asu? |
| 21:58.49 | Chocky | 1 Euro + expensive contract. no thanks :p |
| 21:59.29 | torpor | Fossi: all the forking has meant a serious regression factor on the demo front, alas. |
| 21:59.42 | Fossi | well, the fr that shipped to me doesn't |
| 21:59.57 | Fossi | and i'm still trying to figure out if it's me being too stupid |
| 22:00.19 | Fossi | it looks exactly like the first shot on that article |
| 22:01.04 | Fossi | background, no application manager, no clock |
| 22:01.04 | wurp2|away | Without dialer apps up top? |
| 22:01.04 | wurp2|away | Something is broken. |
| 22:01.04 | _ferric | Fossi: reflash |
| 22:01.04 | Fossi | actually, *all* phones that shipped to our company came like that |
| 22:01.07 | _ferric | Fossi: you cannot run 2007.02 yet, I think |
| 22:01.28 | Fossi | i can go to + and start the dialer |
| 22:01.56 | _ferric | whoa. that doesn't sound like FSO then |
| 22:02.06 | _ferric | can you take picture, Fossi? looks like ASU? |
| 22:02.10 | wurp2|away | Oh, he's definitely running 2007.2 |
| 22:02.25 | wurp2|away | Based on his screen looking like the 1st one in the article |
| 22:02.43 | torpor | ASU isn't that bad.. |
| 22:02.56 | Fossi | no, i guess it is 2007.2 |
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| 22:03.50 | _ferric | torpor: depends on who you ask |
| 22:04.00 | _ferric | Fossi: strange. |
| 22:04.12 | leinir | i would say that ASU shows great promise :) |
| 22:04.22 | SpeedEvil | diddn't see anything fundamentally wrong with 2007.* |
| 22:04.38 | _ferric | neither. |
| 22:05.04 | wurp2 | I think it's a lot easier to say ASU shows promise if you didn't see what 2007.2 looked like 3 months ago |
| 22:05.37 | torpor | 2007.2 rocks. i'm sticking with it as my default install, personally. |
| 22:07.26 | SpeedEvil | Especially considering that it would have been 2007.2 with another 5 or 6? months of core dev time. |
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| 22:09.01 | Fossi | i wonder if downgrading to an older snapshot would actually give me *more* apps |
| 22:09.21 | abraxa_ | Fossi: Can just use opkg to install what you're missing |
| 22:09.38 | Fossi | well, why does today2 not have a clock on my moko? |
| 22:09.47 | Fossi | i did opkg update && opkg upgrade |
| 22:09.55 | abraxa_ | They removed it. |
| 22:10.07 | Fossi | and why the hell is that? |
| 22:10.37 | Fossi | there isn't even a mediaplayer in the current daily-feed anymore it seems |
| 22:11.07 | Fossi | all the screenshots of november look good and then i get a phone half a year later and it barely has any features :\ |
| 22:11.19 | Fossi | except for being able to phone people |
| 22:11.33 | Fossi | which i can't because of an incompatible g3 card :\ |
| 22:12.33 | abraxa_ | Fossi: dbus-launch gconftool-2 -t boolean -s /desktop/poky/interface/reduced false |
| 22:12.41 | abraxa_ | Fossi: Do that, restart X (or reboot), and voila |
| 22:13.11 | wurp2 | abraxa_: Did they also remove the dialer, contacts, etc. buttons at the top of today2? |
| 22:13.31 | abraxa_ | wurp2: Yeah, but that's "reduced" mode. Can easily switch back with what I just posted |
| 22:13.55 | abraxa_ | Bringing back the media player is no big problem either |
| 22:13.59 | wurp2 | I see, I figured that was probably the case after I read your instructions more carefully :-) |
| 22:14.03 | abraxa_ | :) |
| 22:14.20 | Fossi | i mean, it doesn't stop there |
| 22:14.30 | Fossi | no application manager |
| 22:14.34 | Fossi | no way to start apps |
| 22:14.37 | wurp2 | Is there any reason given for those changes? |
| 22:14.42 | Fossi | no keyboard with a / |
| 22:14.47 | Fossi | so the terminal is useless |
| 22:14.52 | abraxa_ | Fossi: No way to start apps? And the keyboard... indeed, that's braindead. |
| 22:14.57 | wurp2 | Fossi: Erm, tap the +, then tap the app? |
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| 22:15.09 | Fossi | yeah, ok |
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| 22:15.20 | abraxa_ | wurp2: I can only guess they did that to have a "known working" set of features. |
| 22:16.04 | Fossi | well, that's some really interesting crisis management then |
| 22:16.36 | Fossi | prolly somebody should've noticed in november when it still looked good that it's time to clean up... well, whatever |
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| 22:16.51 | Fossi | instead of lamenting, i'll start porting stuff over or rather package |
| 22:17.14 | Fossi | an awful lot of useful stuff seems to be 'missing' still :) |
| 22:17.38 | Fossi | and maybe work some on SHR |
| 22:17.49 | abraxa_ | Fossi: There are many things that can be said about Openmoko, Inc. - I stopped wondering about the decisions made in Taiwan and just deal with them. |
| 22:18.06 | _ferric | haha |
| 22:18.23 | _ferric | abraxa_: that's the best description of the issue at hand. |
| 22:18.47 | Fossi | or i mean... settings gui |
| 22:18.48 | Fossi | no way to configure your ringtone? wtf. |
| 22:18.59 | abraxa_ | I think it's the incentive for the peeps who started SHR, too. |
| 22:19.21 | Fossi | well, at least it's a good piece of hardware with lots of open specs and gpl drivers |
| 22:19.46 | Fossi | so at least i don't have to write a touchscreendriver like i would've had to with my xda |
| 22:20.02 | abraxa_ | And a working GPS if you're one of the chosen ones :) |
| 22:20.14 | Fossi | didn't try yet |
| 22:20.19 | Fossi | too much bad weather ;) |
| 22:20.40 | abraxa_ | Holding it against the window works just as well |
| 22:21.02 | doc|work | SHR? |
| 22:21.03 | Fossi | well, i'm not gonna try that for 12 minutes ;) |
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| 22:21.48 | abraxa_ | Fossi: 12 minutes? Doubt it'd take that long but okay, I understand you have different priorities now ;) |
| 22:22.11 | Fossi | well, apparently that one guaranteed satellite cycle |
| 22:22.31 | abraxa_ | doc|work: "Stable Hybrid Release" or something of that sort. A mix of FSO + 2007.2, basically. |
| 22:22.31 | wurp2|away | ~SHR |
| 22:22.32 | apt | i guess shr is Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 22:22.32 | doc|work | ah |
| 22:22.32 | kdean06 | doc|home, Stable Hybrid Release. Some folks are building a community-driven image that aims to comply with the FreeSmartphone.org framework and be functional. |
| 22:22.38 | doc|work | oh, this is the fourth distro :/ |
| 22:22.40 | Fossi | so if you don't get a signal by then, something is 'fishy' |
| 22:22.44 | Chocky_ | moose |
| 22:22.50 | Chocky_ | ETOOMANYDISTROS |
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| 22:23.02 | doc|work | Chocky_: a little, but who's going to fold first? :) |
| 22:23.06 | kdean06 | Chocky_, It's a lot earier to list the ones that work. :P |
| 22:23.08 | abraxa_ | doc|work: ...which will make 2007.2 pointless, which is good. |
| 22:23.19 | kd8ikt | omg omg omg i need to get my freerunner |
| 22:23.20 | Fossi | better then just one ;) |
| 22:23.26 | Chocky_ | kd8ikt: pwnies |
| 22:23.32 | doc|work | abraxa_: why's that? .2 = pants? |
| 22:23.38 | Chocky_ | better _than_ |
| 22:23.56 | kd8ikt | lucky for me a group just south of me ordered 10 and have one for me for like 370$ |
| 22:24.03 | doc|work | kd8ikt: that list: |
| 22:24.05 | kd8ikt | starts digging through the couch for change |
| 22:24.10 | doc|work | rt, kdean06 ^ |
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| 22:24.20 | kd8ikt | ugh its somewhere on the wiki |
| 22:24.23 | doc|work | s/rt/er |
| 22:24.23 | abraxa_ | doc|work: 2007.2 relies on braindead infrastructure: neod, gsmd and other things. FSO changes that, but the apps need to change also. That's what SHR aims to do. |
| 22:24.34 | doc|work | ah, I see |
| 22:24.39 | doc|work | this is a bit of a mess :/ |
| 22:24.53 | kd8ikt | but whats with the video accellerator on a shared bus |
| 22:24.55 | Chocky_ | how is it $370? |
| 22:25.14 | doc|work | Chocky_: ? |
| 22:25.16 | SpeedEvil | kdean06: it's unfortunate design choice is all. |
| 22:25.18 | Chocky_ | ! |
| 22:25.22 | SpeedEvil | kd8: |
| 22:25.26 | Chocky_ | kd8 said $370 |
| 22:25.30 | abraxa_ | doc|work: In the short run, yeah. In the end, it'll be a great benefit: you'll be able to use the FSO apps *and* 2007.2 apps at the same time, and they'll co-exist peacefully. |
| 22:25.30 | doc|work | Chocky_: that's the per unit group price |
| 22:25.42 | doc|work | abraxa_: theoretically :) |
| 22:25.43 | Chocky_ | not after tax and shipping, it ain't |
| 22:25.58 | Chocky_ | try $396.70 |
| 22:26.07 | doc|work | Chocky_: you're not paying that for the unit, you're paying that to the government and to ups |
| 22:26.14 | Chocky_ | pfft |
| 22:26.28 | Chocky_ | I'm paying it, no matter what |
| 22:26.28 | doc|work | not pfft, important distinctions. blame where it's due :) |
| 22:26.34 | doc|work | same |
| 22:26.40 | kd8ikt | http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner so 10 for 3,690$ = 369 per |
| 22:26.42 | Chocky_ | oh, there's plenty of _blame_ |
| 22:27.11 | kd8ikt | pluss a few bucks per for shipping i will have to pay more like 375 |
| 22:27.16 | Chocky_ | that's beside the $4000 bill on my credit card |
| 22:27.22 | doc|work | it would have been nice if there had been an incentive for group organisers :) |
| 22:27.43 | macdonalder | incentive is me not hunting you down |
| 22:27.43 | Chocky_ | doc|home: well, I get the $2.30 if they pay me straight $400 :p |
| 22:27.51 | kd8ikt | well there kindof is you get a cheaper phone and friends around you with it too! |
| 22:28.00 | doc|work | I know I've spent 20 dollars on phone calls and lots of time :/ |
| 22:28.08 | sitwon | doc|work: besides all those miles the get from the credit card company? |
| 22:28.12 | doc|work | kd8ikt: aye, I know, was only half joking :) |
| 22:28.14 | Fossi | well, how about you don't give people the discount? |
| 22:28.28 | Chocky_ | sitwon: yeah, those add up to maybe a $10 starbucks card |
| 22:28.29 | doc|work | sitwon: my credit card won't even give me a credit limit. Fuck them. :/ |
| 22:28.35 | kd8ikt | then... no1 will buy it and you'll be stuck with phones |
| 22:28.56 | macdonalder | doc|work: I've got a paper clip with your name on it ;) |
| 22:29.01 | Fossi | then offer a 5$ discount ;) |
| 22:29.05 | kd8ikt | is the freerunner ungodly thick or is it just my eyes? |
| 22:29.06 | doc|work | macdonalder: yey! on it how? a sticker? |
| 22:29.29 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: it depends. |
| 22:29.44 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: due to the low volume of production, it is thicker than other phones. |
| 22:29.44 | kd8ikt | it does have some thickness to it doesnt it? |
| 22:29.47 | macdonalder | doc|work: laser microscopy is a wonderful thing |
| 22:29.59 | Chocky_ | yes, no 2D phones, thanks |
| 22:30.00 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: is it too thick for you to use? Well... |
| 22:30.02 | doc|work | macdonalder: sweet, hmmm, could you do that on the stylus? :) |
| 22:30.18 | kd8ikt | well its thinner then a pack of smokes right? |
| 22:30.32 | kd8ikt | or barely |
| 22:30.36 | Chocky_ | than |
| 22:30.36 | doc|work | kd8ikt: depends, 10 pack or 20 pack? :) |
| 22:30.48 | Fossi | btw, all that gconftool stuff. is there a list of things you can set somewhere? |
| 22:30.49 | macdonalder | haha |
| 22:33.34 | Fossi | anyway, gotta sleep |
| 22:33.35 | Fossi | n8 |
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| 22:41.27 | kd8ikt | 120.7 x 62 x 18.5 mm |
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| 22:41.45 | abraxa_ | Hm, Fossi sure left quickly. |
| 22:42.03 | Chocky_ | should he leave one letter at a time? |
| 22:42.20 | abraxa_ | No, but he should at least give people the chance to respond to his questions ;) |
| 22:43.55 | Chocky_ | UPS ground can be 1-5 days. but it's only from Northern CA, so next day if lucky |
| 22:43.59 | Chocky_ | hm |
| 22:46.28 | kd8ikt | ok i think a pack of smokes is like 25mm thick |
| 22:46.52 | kd8ikt | i need a ruler ;) |
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| 22:49.16 | MarcOChapeau | hmm, I thought I would share this. I might open a bug report tomorrow: |
| 22:49.43 | MarcOChapeau | Freerunner automatically suspends only when.... |
| 22:50.02 | MarcOChapeau | USB is plugged in |
| 22:50.21 | MarcOChapeau | now what kind of power management is that :-p |
| 22:50.31 | MarcOChapeau | lol |
| 22:51.19 | Gnutoo | hello, how do i install a package in openmko in qemu if i don't have a full-featured keyboard and no network between qemu and my computer(because i must type a command like this: pppd nodetach debug 192.168.68.1:192.168.68.2 noauth /dev/pts/12 and i have no / on the phone...) |
| 22:51.51 | doc|work | MarcOChapeau: hah |
| 22:51.58 | MarcOChapeau | oh, and another good one : suspend happens also when I'm doing stuff via ssh |
| 22:52.13 | MarcOChapeau | it seems based on touchscreen inactivity |
| 22:52.18 | doc|work | MarcOChapeau: you might want to file bugs about those against whatever image you're using |
| 22:52.41 | MarcOChapeau | doc|work: I will, that's why I got one early |
| 22:52.51 | doc|work | :) |
| 22:53.47 | Chocky_ | yes, but where's my tracking number :-( |
| 22:54.09 | doc|work | Chocky_: what order number had you? |
| 22:54.12 | ab0oo | MarcOChapeau: which distro? |
| 22:54.12 | Chocky_ | 1345 |
| 22:54.32 | ab0oo | I'm spending a little time being dissapointed with qtopia |
| 22:54.40 | doc|work | Chocky_: hmmm, might be tomorrow, probably won't get one until they get processed by the UPS pickup |
| 22:54.44 | MarcOChapeau | ab0oo: the GTK-whatever-it-s-name-is |
| 22:54.47 | Chocky | aye |
| 22:55.14 | Chocky | and then it will have been a week :-( |
| 22:55.20 | ab0oo | next comes FSO |
| 22:55.46 | MarcOChapeau | ab0oo: I'm guessing those 2 are just too young to be happy about |
| 22:55.49 | doc|work | "FISA passes providing immunity to wiretapping telcos" |
| 22:55.49 | ljp | ab0oo: which image? what is dissapointing? |
| 22:56.08 | ab0oo | lorn. there seems to be a lot of screen corruption |
| 22:56.16 | wurp2|away | ab0oo: You're talking about ASU |
| 22:56.17 | ab0oo | esp in the control panel. |
| 22:56.25 | MarcOChapeau | ab0oo: but suspend issues are a serious matter and will affect any distro unless someone starts thinking about them |
| 22:56.26 | wurp2|away | Not "real" qtopia |
| 22:56.29 | ab0oo | yes, ASU |
| 22:56.33 | ljp | ahh ok. |
| 22:56.45 | ab0oo | no. I'd LOVE to have "real" qtopia... but I don't know the secret handshake |
| 22:56.49 | daMaestro | are we ever going to see any more qtopia images? |
| 22:57.00 | daMaestro | ab0oo, there were some.. but they got taken down |
| 22:57.11 | ljp | yes. I ut a freerunner one at qtopia.net am working on 1973 image |
| 22:57.12 | ab0oo | If I could add "dial phone" to the qtopia image I have on my Ipaq 3870, I'd be happier than a pig in poop. |
| 22:57.35 | Chocky | that's pretty happy |
| 22:57.35 | wurp2|away | ab0oo: That's pretty happy. |
| 22:57.38 | wurp2|away | hah |
| 22:57.39 | Chocky | snap! |
| 22:57.50 | ab0oo | not uite as happy as a three-peckered billy goat, but close. |
| 22:58.22 | MarcOChapeau | is googling for "three-peckered billy goat" |
| 22:58.25 | ab0oo | belive me, I'm pleased with the physics of the freerunner. I never had any illusions about the s/w yet |
| 22:58.30 | Chocky | oh dear, so I am |
| 22:58.51 | Chocky | well, it's coffee |
| 22:58.53 | wurp2|away | ab0oo: FSO, if you get the right build, will be great for calls + suspend & resume, and crap for everything else |
| 22:58.56 | daMaestro | wow.. there *is* one for the freerunner. |
| 22:58.57 | daMaestro | good. |
| 22:58.59 | Gnutoo | anyone? how can i install software in my qemu emulated openmoko phone...without full featured keyboard and network |
| 22:59.01 | ab0oo | just don't use google image search... |
| 22:59.02 | doc|work | qtopia images will be released, no timeframe yet |
| 22:59.20 | wurp2|away | crap, as in it doesn't *have* *anything* else |
| 22:59.21 | ab0oo | ljp: can you point me to a work-in-progress qtopia image? |
| 22:59.34 | ab0oo | I suppose I can even build from source. |
| 22:59.52 | wurp2|away | ab0oo: If you can, plz create a wiki page on how you do it :-) |
| 23:00.05 | MarcOChapeau | ab0oo: fo you have an package for "three-peckered billy goat" ? I'd like that |
| 23:00.15 | ab0oo | or is it impolite to ask at this point. I stopped programming QT a few years ago (it seems Java pays the bills in my house) |
| 23:00.24 | wurp2|away | Gots to go, have a good night. |
| 23:00.33 | ab0oo | MarcOChapeau: I suddenly became very, very afraid of you... |
| 23:00.43 | MarcOChapeau | ab0oo: hehehe |
| 23:00.59 | Gnutoo | wurp2|away, i built a 2007.1 like image and it has a 2.6.24 kernel...will phone-calls and suspend be better than in the stock 2007.1 images? what about phone calls? |
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| 23:03.32 | abraxa_ | Gnutoo: Are you sure you don't mean 2007.2? And suspend improves with more recent kernels whereas phone functions won't |
| 23:04.07 | Gnutoo | abraxa_, i don't know i built it with oe...and the name of the distrib is "openmoko" |
| 23:04.18 | kd8ikt | yeah i was under the assumption that the suspend features where ironed out |
| 23:04.20 | Gnutoo | abraxa_, ok thanks |
| 23:04.41 | MarcOChapeau | abraxa_: I'd say I agree. and kernels are not such a big issue. the issue is the apps that uses those kernel functionnalities |
| 23:04.43 | kd8ikt | calls wake it up now etc |
| 23:05.31 | abraxa_ | Gnutoo: Then you sure mean 2007.2 as the last working 2007.1 image I saw was over a year ago :) |
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| 23:06.10 | ab0oo | kudos to the firmware guys and the dfu-util. I've worked on 5 or 6 different embedded linux products, and these guys really got it right with the booloader |
| 23:06.47 | Gnutoo | abraxa_, ok...by the way do you know how i could install ipks on this image that runs in qemu because i do not have a full featured keyboard and no network |
| 23:07.06 | abraxa_ | Gnutoo: You can try getting the "USB" network going so you can ssh into it |
| 23:07.08 | troy|home | anyone else get tracking number yet? |
| 23:07.19 | troy|home | just got mine :D |
| 23:07.21 | Chocky | no, just the one guy on the list |
| 23:07.24 | Chocky | uh oh |
| 23:07.29 | ab0oo | troy|home: what's your order #? |
| 23:07.38 | troy|home | 1157 |
| 23:07.41 | Chocky | hm |
| 23:07.54 | Chocky | repeats line about 100/day :-( |
| 23:07.54 | MarcOChapeau | troy|home: did you also get that video of the packaging of your neo ? |
| 23:08.06 | troy|home | nope... who gets that? |
| 23:08.16 | Chocky | was on the list |
| 23:08.38 | MarcOChapeau | troy|home: well, it seems trisoft has setup an funny system where they get filmed when they package your stuff |
| 23:08.41 | abraxa_ | troy|home: I assume MarcOChapeau ordered at TRIsoft - people who do get a video of the packaging |
| 23:09.07 | MarcOChapeau | troy|home: not sure if it's a real thing or just a funny fake though :-) |
| 23:09.08 | ab0oo | they do a nice job of packing it, fwiw. Did I mention the laser pointer is highly effective at amusing children and annoying wives? |
| 23:09.17 | troy|home | lol, I'm just glad its finally in the mail |
| 23:09.19 | abraxa_ | MarcOChapeau: It actually makes sense - it's so people can't claim that TRIsoft forgot to put in SD cards and other accessories. |
| 23:09.22 | ab0oo | (well, it amused my three children, but I only have one wife to test on) |
| 23:09.33 | Chocky | sigh. 1345. |
| 23:09.34 | Gnutoo | abraxa_, ok thanks i'll try but i would need to recompile the kernel |
| 23:09.46 | troy|home | I'll try it on my cats |
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| 23:09.56 | MarcOChapeau | abraxa_: SD was in the closed freerunner box ;-) |
| 23:10.08 | abraxa_ | MarcOChapeau: Indeed, but they sell other stuff, too :) |
| 23:10.25 | kd8ikt | clear case would be neat |
| 23:10.32 | MarcOChapeau | abraxa_: yup, I got a pouch and the headset as a bonus |
| 23:10.39 | Chocky | make it out of chocolate |
| 23:11.04 | ab0oo | kd8ikt: the case specs are out there... a little acrylic and a CNC machine, and you could be rolling in the $ |
| 23:11.11 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r168dd72c82e3 10/otapi/ (2 files in 2 dirs): OTAPI: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call: Change API for ListCalls, remove GetStatus, add Join, HoldActive, and Transfer |
| 23:11.16 | kd8ikt | heh yes |
| 23:11.18 | abraxa_ | MarcOChapeau: Which came for free from Openmoko, Inc. btw - only Pulster decides to make customers pay for those |
| 23:11.21 | kd8ikt | thats a great idear |
| 23:11.30 | abraxa_ | wb mickey |
| 23:11.47 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r270456d4a93f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (4 files in 4 dirs): ogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.ListCalls |
| 23:11.52 | MarcOChapeau | abraxa_: I thought it might be those extra goodies for the "first 1000" |
| 23:11.55 | mickey|zzZZzz | g'night |
| 23:12.05 | abraxa_ | Oh. Well, good night then :) |
| 23:12.13 | abraxa_ | MarcOChapeau: Quite possibly, yeah |
| 23:12.16 | mickey|zzZZzz | mega tired |
| 23:12.17 | ab0oo | that was my fear, and I was thinking I was 40 orders too late... |
| 23:12.20 | mickey|zzZZzz | will catch you hopefully soon |
| 23:12.23 | Chocky | troy|work: so where are you, and when's ETA? |
| 23:12.27 | mickey|zzZZzz | your exams over yet? |
| 23:12.37 | abraxa_ | mickey|zzZZzz: Last one in 7 hours, yay! |
| 23:12.47 | mickey|zzZZzz | ok, good speed! lets talk after that then |
| 23:12.54 | abraxa_ | Sure |
| 23:12.54 | MarcOChapeau | abraxa_: what are you doing in a chatroom then ? :-D |
| 23:13.12 | troy|home | I'm in New Brunswick canada and my arrival date is the 17th but it is already in Quebec so it should be here tomorrow or next day. |
| 23:13.17 | abraxa_ | MarcOChapeau: Can't sleep... |
| 23:13.34 | MarcOChapeau | lol, that's something I consider doing soon |
| 23:13.41 | MarcOChapeau | actually... |
| 23:13.48 | MarcOChapeau | good night :-) |
| 23:13.50 | Chocky | troy|work: not UPS ground then |
| 23:13.55 | abraxa_ | Heh, good night |
| 23:14.17 | troy|home | apparently... seems fast. |
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| 23:16.37 | hirolau | hmm, there are no reviews out yet? |
| 23:17.51 | Chocky | hm, still. the 1087 guy was yesterday. That's not enough data forms to form a conclusion, but it could mean they're really slow |
| 23:18.04 | Chocky | s/forms/points/ |
| 23:18.15 | Chocky | silly apy |
| 23:18.20 | Chocky | s/apy/apt/ |
| 23:18.33 | Chocky | s//moose/ |
| 23:19.03 | zash | moo |
| 23:19.07 | Chocky | moo indeed |
| 23:19.14 | playya | mäh |
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| 23:21.41 | isprins | how long will it take to develop stable software? |
| 23:21.59 | playya | depending on complexity |
| 23:22.07 | mwester | It's been over a year now to get where we are... :( |
| 23:22.08 | Chocky | how long is a piece of string? |
| 23:22.15 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 23:22.15 | playya | how long is the actual lag of the MLs? |
| 23:22.29 | Chocky | a few mins |
| 23:22.31 | kd8ikt | hey so all the gui apps are QT? |
| 23:22.39 | kd8ikt | or what |
| 23:22.45 | playya | or etk |
| 23:22.48 | playya | or gtk |
| 23:23.11 | doc|work | or anything else you want to set up :) |
| 23:23.37 | kd8ikt | well what libs are on the default image |
| 23:23.42 | kd8ikt | gtk? |
| 23:23.48 | kelvie_work | gtk |
| 23:23.55 | playya | depending on the image |
| 23:23.59 | Chocky | libz |
| 23:24.09 | kelvie_work | it's what comes by default, but I think development has halted on them |
| 23:24.14 | sontek | Hey, ont he shipping, I paid extra for 2nd dair air A.M, but I didn't get a notification of it being shipped today ( I ordered yesterday ) |
| 23:24.27 | ab0oo | oh, crap. I don't have a sim pin, but it's demanding one.... |
| 23:24.31 | sontek | is it still going to be 2nd day air, or did they mean 2nd day air from whenever we decide to ship? |
| 23:24.41 | ab0oo | or do I have one I don't know about |
| 23:24.47 | Chocky | if you ordered yesterday, you're in for a wait |
| 23:24.52 | ab0oo | sontek: from when they ship. what's you're order #? |
| 23:25.16 | sontek | I was hoping to get it for the weekend |
| 23:25.21 | Chocky | unlikely |
| 23:25.25 | Chocky | +very |
| 23:25.34 | sontek | I would've let it go ground if I knew that :P |
| 23:25.34 | Chocky | I ordered 6 days ago |
| 23:25.40 | sontek | ab0oo: 3030 |
| 23:25.43 | Chocky | heh |
| 23:25.46 | ab0oo | ouch |
| 23:26.06 | Chocky | you'll have to wait for 1200-3029 or so to ship first |
| 23:26.14 | playya | should i take picture from all sides so you can build a model of the freerunner? |
| 23:26.15 | ab0oo | mine was 1040, and mine shipped yesterday. someone else had 1200 or so, and it shipped today |
| 23:26.17 | sontek | that sucks, I wonder if I can modify my order and save the $15 since theres no rush if I wont have it for the weekend |
| 23:26.21 | doc|work | sontek: probably won't be shipped until thurs/fri |
| 23:26.50 | isprins | i will by one when the most of the software bugs and child diseases has been rooted out |
| 23:27.22 | playya | isprins, wating for GTA03? |
| 23:27.42 | ieatlint | i ordered mind on thursday when the store opened, order 1459, and nothing as of yet :( |
| 23:27.48 | isprins | playya: no, Freerunner |
| 23:28.22 | mwester | isprins wants the gta04 then |
| 23:28.27 | Chocky | linty: after mine at 1345 |
| 23:28.35 | ieatlint | you get your tracking number chocky? |
| 23:28.41 | playya | but what about the child diseases? |
| 23:28.46 | Chocky | nope |
| 23:28.49 | ieatlint | :( |
| 23:28.53 | mwester | mumps? chickenpox? |
| 23:28.53 | ieatlint | woe is us |
| 23:28.59 | Chocky | woe woe woe |
| 23:29.35 | isprins | playya: hardware bugs |
| 23:29.42 | mwester | Just reset expectations; it'll be a fun device to develop on, and play with -- just not likely to be anything as flashy as an iphone, or as business-like as a treo. |
| 23:30.05 | ieatlint | i also have to admit that i'm not too pleased with the customer service |
| 23:30.31 | playya | the only problem i can admit is the battery |
| 23:30.32 | ieatlint | had they sent everyone an email explaining there were some delays, i'd have felt a lot better than finding some mailing list post that says "oh yeah, we fixed it though" |
| 23:30.33 | ab0oo | well, the FSO image is absolutely beautiful... and completely functionless |
| 23:30.40 | ab0oo | it has a dialer, and that's it. |
| 23:31.01 | Chocky | aye |
| 23:31.01 | playya | the FR is still a phone |
| 23:31.43 | playya | so a dialer might be enough for someone |
| 23:32.54 | kd8ikt | maybe a sip phone functionality |
| 23:33.01 | isprins | a dialer, WLAN and sms + mms + AGPS/GPS is enough for me. |
| 23:33.01 | kd8ikt | er bad grammar |
| 23:33.34 | kd8ikt | i'll setup my home server with asterisk again |
| 23:33.51 | kd8ikt | hm does a sip phone need port forwarding ? |
| 23:34.12 | isprins | kd8ikt: depends on the firewall |
| 23:34.16 | kd8ikt | that would suck if on a hotspot... might need to work on openvpn as well |
| 23:34.33 | mwester | ab0oo: Yes. But what's underneath is, unlike the other images, done correctly. |
| 23:35.15 | ab0oo | mwester: what's the underlying window manager? |
| 23:35.18 | ab0oo | QT? |
| 23:35.21 | Chocky | matchbox |
| 23:35.46 | ab0oo | mwester: define "done correctly"? |
| 23:35.49 | ab0oo | please. |
| 23:36.41 | kd8ikt | starts drawling a picture |
| 23:36.55 | Chocky | drawing with drool? |
| 23:36.56 | mwester | Correctly means the GSM is in operating in MUX mode, and the software handling the GSM (gsm0710muxd) is written using dbus |
| 23:37.34 | kd8ikt | or is it drawing |
| 23:37.39 | doc|work | Chocky: no, drawl, saying it like your from the american south |
| 23:37.45 | doc|work | s/your/you're |
| 23:37.45 | mwester | And as just noted on the M.L. apparently the software knows to shut down the GSM even -- something none of the other images can do. |
| 23:37.48 | ab0oo | which allows the WM to sleep deeply while the GSM module handles the network comms, and then the WM gets woken up via dbus? |
| 23:38.03 | Chocky | doc|home: I say it like my from the South |
| 23:38.09 | doc|work | mwester: it's a miracle! |
| 23:38.11 | Chocky | :p |
| 23:38.13 | Chocky | anyway |
| 23:38.18 | doc|work | Chocky: :/ |
| 23:38.23 | doc|work | it's been a long day :( |
| 23:38.23 | mwester | Naw, no miracle - just done right :) |
| 23:38.27 | Chocky | I know :-( |
| 23:38.31 | doc|work | mwester: hehe :) |
| 23:38.45 | ab0oo | so how to the other images talk to the GSM? direct to the /dev device? |
| 23:38.57 | doc|work | mwester: what's next? text messages? wonders will never cease :) |
| 23:39.47 | mwester | ASU and Qtopia just talk right to the device. The 2007.2 image uses libgsmd -- which in the comments in the main source note that it's temporary and not intended for production use. |
| 23:39.57 | doc|work | hah |
| 23:39.58 | mwester | GPRS is next. |
| 23:40.08 | doc|work | can it make calls yet? |
| 23:40.10 | mwester | Airplane mode can't be far behind. |
| 23:40.30 | playya | is the GSM chip directly connected to mic and speaker? |
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| 23:40.41 | SpeedEvil | playya: no |
| 23:40.42 | doc|work | how about texts? personally I'll be happy once it can do those, wifi, has a web browser |
| 23:40.50 | mwester | doc|home: I hear it makes calls just fine (just might have trobule ending the calls is all :P ) |
| 23:40.53 | SpeedEvil | playya: it's connected to teh wolfsn media sound chip |
| 23:40.58 | doc|work | mwester: hah |
| 23:41.12 | SpeedEvil | playya: which is horribly complex, and can route the inputs/outputs anywhere |
| 23:41.17 | playya | ah ok. wondered because it has analog input |
| 23:41.18 | mwester | notes it's a very good sound chip, though. |
| 23:42.13 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: but has the added advantage of allowing you to switch off the mic so it can't be activated by the fuzz at their request |
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| 23:42.36 | Jacen | >_> Any way to track your Freerunner? |
| 23:42.45 | doc|work | Jacen: what's your order number? |
| 23:42.47 | Chocky | yes, they send you a tracking number :p |
| 23:42.56 | playya | i just ask mickey about it because i want to implement some kind of GSM encryption as my bachelor thesis |
| 23:43.02 | ab0oo | mwester: so is there a daemon that links the GSM module to the dbus? |
| 23:43.12 | doc|work | Jacen: they were up to the low 1200s this morning apparently |
| 23:43.13 | Jacen | Err... They do? o_O; |
| 23:43.13 | mwester | ab0oo: In FSO, yes. |
| 23:43.29 | Jacen | Oh, lemme go get it quick. |
| 23:43.58 | Jacen | It's uhh.. 2433 |
| 23:44.01 | doc|work | Jacen: they do, once it ships |
| 23:44.05 | Chocky | heh |
| 23:44.05 | Jacen | Ah I see. |
| 23:44.06 | ab0oo | Jacen: ouch. |
| 23:44.10 | doc|work | Jacen: probably won't be until tomorrow or friday |
| 23:44.10 | ab0oo | you're better off than some. |
| 23:44.16 | Jacen | Haha, I got a ways to wait eh? :p |
| 23:44.16 | doc|work | before it's shipped |
| 23:44.17 | Chocky | not as bad as > 3000 though ;-) |
| 23:44.18 | Jacen | No worries. |
| 23:44.19 | mwester | ab0oo: so if you write an application that want to do something with the GSM, like send an SMS for example, you just put the right stuff on the dbus, and it happens... |
| 23:44.20 | doc|work | is 3032 :( |
| 23:44.27 | Jacen | Thanks Doc. |
| 23:44.30 | doc|work | np |
| 23:44.41 | ab0oo | mwester: DBUS is just a message broker, right? |
| 23:44.49 | ab0oo | analagous to maybe, JMS? |
| 23:44.52 | doc|work | Jacen: of course, that depends on how things went today, we're just guessing that based on 1000 shipped yesterday |
| 23:45.01 | doc|work | or thereabouts |
| 23:45.06 | Jacen | Ah I see. |
| 23:45.18 | Chocky | assuming they started at 0. I think they might have started at 1000 |
| 23:45.19 | ab0oo | publishers and subscribers, etc? |
| 23:45.26 | Chocky | hasn't seen any orders < 1000 |
| 23:45.28 | doc|work | Chocky: erk |
| 23:45.30 | mwester | ab0oo: I don't know JMS, but yes, it's just a message bus. |
| 23:45.34 | ab0oo | I think you're right, Chocky. |
| 23:45.43 | Chocky | hence the 100/day :-( |
| 23:45.50 | doc|work | bad Chocky :( |
| 23:45.52 | ab0oo | I had a cron job that hit the web page every 10 minutes and diff'ed it against the previous hit. |
| 23:45.57 | Chocky | bad, but that's the evidence |
| 23:46.04 | SpeedEvil | roh has said that the number list has gaps. |
| 23:46.09 | ab0oo | I got woke up at 05:15 EDT and had my order in within about 20 minutes. |
| 23:46.12 | doc|work | that'd mean it won't get shipped until the end of the week after next :( |
| 23:46.28 | doc|work | ab0oo: and your number was? |
| 23:46.32 | SpeedEvil | And does not reflect 1:! |
| 23:46.33 | ab0oo | 1040 |
| 23:46.37 | doc|work | ab0oo: bugger |
| 23:46.45 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: I hope those are big gaps :) |
| 23:46.56 | Chocky | so - who knows |
| 23:46.59 | doc|work | ab0oo: hahaha, that's dedication :D |
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| 23:47.24 | doc|work | oh no |
| 23:47.27 | doc|work | he's back |
| 23:47.29 | Dave | Howdy ya'll |
| 23:47.30 | ab0oo | I was in a hotel room with the family on vacation, and woke up wife and kids. it was ugly, but I got it ordered |
| 23:47.34 | SpeedEvil | I note again the shop number-graph says about 600 sold. |
| 23:47.36 | Dave | Greetings doc :) |
| 23:47.37 | doc|work | gets back to work |
| 23:47.39 | doc|work | :) |
| 23:47.44 | Dave | heh |
| 23:47.49 | doc|work | ab0oo: hah |
| 23:47.51 | Dave | What's new, Speedy? |
| 23:47.52 | SpeedEvil | Who knows. |
| 23:48.14 | SpeedEvil | Dave: very little. |
| 23:48.25 | ab0oo | so, 2007.2 will eat batteries? |
| 23:48.34 | SpeedEvil | Battery life at teh moment is very much a work in progress. Currently suspend is broken, so you get 6-12 hours depending on what's on. The hardware appears capable of doing a week standby, with 20 hours mp3, and 5 hours+ talk time. |
| 23:48.38 | kd8ikt | isnt there a 2008 build? |
| 23:48.55 | Dave | :) |
| 23:49.14 | kd8ikt | can it charge via usb? |
| 23:49.19 | ab0oo | good thing I have three batteries... |
| 23:49.25 | ab0oo | it'll be on the charger 90% of the time. |
| 23:49.35 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: yes |
| 23:49.40 | ab0oo | kd8ikt: that's how I'm charging mine right now |
| 23:49.46 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: only via USB. |
| 23:49.56 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: well - or with a lab PSU. |
| 23:50.01 | CVirus | suspend isn't working on any of the stacks ? |
| 23:50.03 | kd8ikt | sweet cause a lil usb cable is easier to carry then a wall wart |
| 23:50.07 | SpeedEvil | And a pair of croc-clips. |
| 23:50.35 | kd8ikt | roach clips |
| 23:51.10 | kd8ikt | la cucaracha |
| 23:51.10 | ab0oo | I think it would be fair to say that s/w development should pick up rapidly now that the FR is in mass production. |
| 23:51.40 | kd8ikt | so they wont sell out like the neo did? |
| 23:51.51 | kelvie_work | and not only that.. the only people buying now are developers |
| 23:51.57 | kelvie_work | so that's what.. 1000 new (at least casual) developers? |
| 23:52.00 | ab0oo | I suppose I could even try a little C/C++. I just hope it doesn't ruin my Java game the way tennis ruined my racquetball game |
| 23:52.21 | mwester | ppppphhhhhttttttt!!!! |
| 23:52.51 | SpeedEvil | mwester: is that the noise an enraged python makes? |
| 23:53.03 | ab0oo | thanks, SpeedEvil, I was at a loss for a comeback. |
| 23:53.10 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: suspend isn't working on any of the stacks ? |
| 23:53.14 | playya | killed by strong java coffee |
| 23:53.27 | kd8ikt | i was thinking more along the lines of developing gui apps so you wont have to use cmdline all the time, like a wireless scanner/connector app like wlassistant |
| 23:53.33 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: I have no real idea |
| 23:53.40 | mwester | You know, once upon a tme it was the FORTRAN vs COBOL guys, now we have the JAVA programmers to pick on. |
| 23:53.44 | kd8ikt | or just port something like aphopper |
| 23:53.48 | ab0oo | I don't really LIKE java, but it pays the bills. Well. |
| 23:53.52 | Chocky | Java, not JAVA :p |
| 23:53.53 | kd8ikt | find/connect to any open AP |
| 23:53.53 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: as far as I know - not at all on FR, it oopses |
| 23:54.13 | CVirus | hmm |
| 23:54.25 | ab0oo | and pointers scare the bejeezus out of me. |
| 23:54.43 | SpeedEvil | points at ab0oo. |
| 23:54.50 | mwester | Nah, I have no problem with Java; with sufficient memory and a fast enough CPU, it's a pretty good coding language. |
| 23:54.55 | doc|work | looks here > < sees: > < |
| 23:55.15 | *** join/#openmoko johngay (n=john@adsl-144-162-208.mia.bellsouth.net) |
| 23:55.35 | doc|work | mwester: in other words, don't use java on the freerunner :) |
| 23:55.39 | ab0oo | unfortunately, most embedded systems have neither |
| 23:55.59 | Chocky | goes home, sans tracking number |
| 23:56.08 | ab0oo | although my UAV is built entirely in Java on a gumstix board. |
| 23:56.10 | doc|work | ab0oo: nah, in fairness, it has more than my motorola slvr and that has java |
| 23:56.14 | mwester | I'm prejudiced, don't believe anything I say about Java. |
| 23:56.15 | *** join/#openmoko batti (n=batti@p5B14C24B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:56.24 | ab0oo | but I've got 128M of ram and a 600MHz board |
| 23:56.52 | doc|work | btw, is openmoko now about hardware? |
| 23:57.08 | johngay | Hey everyone! |
| 23:57.18 | mwester | Apparently they have never been about software -- that was kinda news to me too... |
| 23:57.22 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: It's always been about hardware. |
| 23:57.22 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: it's a way for FIC to sell phones. |
| 23:57.37 | SpeedEvil | IMO. |
| 23:57.40 | johngay | I thought it was about both. |
| 23:57.41 | doc|work | I thought it was about a software stack |
| 23:57.53 | mwester | ~fso |
| 23:57.54 | apt | rumour has it, fso is the freesmartphone.org software release. It includes the backbone software for the phone hardware (and some other things) and a working dialer, and not much else. |
| 23:57.55 | doc|work | and openmoko != fic. Fic just made the phones afaik |
| 23:58.02 | johngay | But they needed something that actually worked for the hardware launch. |
| 23:58.05 | mwester | ~asu |
| 23:58.06 | apt | rumour has it, asu is the April Software Update, an release name for a OpenMoko distribution. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan. |
| 23:58.30 | doc|work | the message I got from raste r (no highlight) was that fic give openmoko almost no leverage nor influence with anyone :/ |
| 23:58.43 | mwester | Grrr... one of those used to have the link to Mickey's comparison of the distros, it outlined OM's current posture on the software/hardware thing. |
| 23:58.43 | doc|work | so seems like a loose relationship |
| 23:58.45 | isprins | http://www.enigma-replica.com/ wow... replica enigma machines |
| 23:59.50 | johngay | The first thing I wanta do with my phone is write a simple accounting app for it. |
| 23:59.58 | kd8ikt | lol gonna use an enigma machine port to send sms? |
