| 00:00.19 | Danker | Sleepy |
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| 00:02.10 | ferric | Dave! |
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| 00:31.54 | Dave | skerja? |
| 00:31.59 | Dave | skjera? |
| 00:32.02 | Dave | What's up, ferric? |
| 00:41.15 | Dave | Hmm, Freerunner's slowin' |
| 00:47.50 | jOERG_rw | Dave: damn! if I see you later in 5h again here, posting, I have to assume you're either a speedfreak or a robot ;-) |
| 00:49.27 | chillywilly | bah... |
| 00:50.36 | alphabeat | if only Dave had enough RAM to comprehend what you're on about jOERG_rw |
| 00:50.47 | Dave | Muwahaha >:) |
| 00:50.50 | Dave | Affirmative. |
| 00:50.59 | jOERG_rw | lol |
| 00:51.02 | Dave | alphabeat, touche ;) |
| 00:52.18 | alphabeat | heh ;) it's from Arrested Development anyway. Not my own work. |
| 00:52.18 | Dave | hahah, yes, I'm finding many evil Freerunner holes and vulnerabilities :p |
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| 00:53.04 | jOERG_rw | :-):-):-):-):-):-) Ok, fellas, now I had my lough for today :-D. Time to get 4h of sleep ;-) |
| 00:53.08 | jOERG_rw | CU |
| 00:53.25 | Dave | Good luck, Joerg :) |
| 00:53.29 | Dave | See you soon... |
| 00:53.35 | jOERG_rw | ;-) |
| 00:53.37 | Dave | casts an evil look at Joerg |
| 00:53.59 | SpeedEvil | casts peanuts at jOERG_rw. |
| 00:54.54 | alphabeat | catches peanuts in midair |
| 00:58.20 | swc|666 | lol... i was actually eating burnt peanuts while i read that |
| 00:58.54 | SpeedEvil | What else should coder-monkeys eat? |
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| 01:00.24 | swc|666 | :p |
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| 01:10.38 | SirBob1701 | so whats standard shipping with ups? like 3-5 days? |
| 01:13.29 | nullpuppy | roughly |
| 01:13.33 | nullpuppy | depending on location |
| 01:13.41 | russellb | depends on sending/receiving location, of course |
| 01:14.06 | nullpuppy | and shipping type of course ;) |
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| 01:14.29 | nullpuppy | anyone gotten tracking notices yet? |
| 01:15.27 | SpeedEvil | nullpuppy: you have to send in your SIM, so they can put it in the phone, so it can report its GPS position to you as it goes through the process. |
| 01:15.42 | russellb | ha |
| 01:15.52 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 01:15.57 | nullpuppy | that'd be awesome |
| 01:16.01 | russellb | you'll also get a battery switching gnome to keep it powered the whole trip |
| 01:16.10 | russellb | or a hampster in a cage or something |
| 01:16.31 | SpeedEvil | russellb: or working suspend. |
| 01:16.36 | russellb | touche |
| 01:20.29 | jOERG_rw | SpeedEvil: nah, wake on RTC alarm should be fine. Takes 4min to bot, but so what ;-) |
| 01:20.42 | SpeedEvil | jOERG_rw: true |
| 01:20.52 | jOERG_rw | s/bot/boot/ |
| 01:21.20 | jOERG_rw | tanks, apt! |
| 01:21.51 | jOERG_rw | ~what is apt? |
| 01:21.52 | apt | well, pt is a Manuel |
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| 01:25.40 | alphabeat | what a silly quit message |
| 01:26.29 | jOERG_rw | quitmsg? nuked that noise ;-) |
| 01:29.26 | alphabeat | i'm not sure if you can change pidgin's |
| 01:32.23 | ieatlint | someone go reverse engineer tmobile-us's "tmobile@home" stuff so i can make calls through hotspots and avoid international roaming charges |
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| 01:34.42 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: it''s more than that |
| 01:35.02 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: you need to hack support for UMA into the GSM chipset |
| 01:35.24 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: AIUI |
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| 01:36.15 | ieatlint | interesting... |
| 01:36.39 | SpeedEvil | Or in principle a suitable USB reader - to do a wifi only phoone |
| 01:40.19 | ieatlint | well, my hopes are dashed... skype it is, i suppose |
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| 01:41.23 | ieatlint | or use grandcentral and gizmo |
| 01:42.19 | kdean06 | ieatlint, Got a grandCentral invite you'd like to toss my way? :D |
| 01:43.21 | ieatlint | last i checked, they don't offer us invites to give out anymore |
| 01:43.43 | kdean06 | Drat. |
| 01:44.01 | ieatlint | will look again... |
| 01:45.46 | ieatlint | nope, sorry |
| 01:45.46 | alphabeat | "no new invitations have been sent out since March 14" says wikipedia |
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| 01:54.19 | cjb | so, which builds are people using? |
| 02:01.21 | SpeedEvil | Old build is old. |
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| 02:56.39 | linuxxr | has anyone that ordered a freerunner gotten a shipping tracking # yet from the online order in the usa? |
| 02:56.51 | nullpuppy | not i |
| 02:57.20 | linuxxr | just an order confirmation right? |
| 02:57.27 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 02:57.56 | linuxxr | something shoulda happened today |
| 02:58.17 | russellb | someone at work said they got a tracking # |
| 02:58.19 | cjb | linuxxr: depends on your order # |
| 02:58.21 | nullpuppy | yeah, some dude in the list said shipments would likley start tomorrow |
| 02:58.23 | russellb | real reliable i know, friend of a friend ... |
| 02:58.25 | linuxxr | unless they dont have them ready to ship |
| 02:58.29 | cjb | shipments ~#1500 start tomorrow |
| 02:58.53 | nullpuppy | has anyone under that confirmed shipment yet? |
| 02:59.00 | linuxxr | will they doo 500 a day? |
| 02:59.11 | cjb | *shrug* |
| 02:59.32 | ieatlint | i'm 1459 and have nothing |
| 02:59.43 | ieatlint | i live 45min from fremont ... it's so sad |
| 02:59.54 | nullpuppy | hehe. |
| 03:00.04 | cjb | ieatlint: they said they'll ship tomorrow |
| 03:00.07 | nullpuppy | what kidn of shipping did you pay for? |
| 03:00.12 | linuxxr | y what the 9.00 dollars it cost to ship/ |
| 03:00.20 | ieatlint | i forgot |
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| 03:00.33 | nullpuppy | hehe, ok |
| 03:01.48 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.24 | LetoTo | nullpuppy: me with 1344 did not yet receive confirmation for shipping |
| 03:02.26 | ieatlint | 2nd day |
| 03:02.33 | ieatlint | had to go back to the store and match the shipping price |
| 03:02.43 | nullpuppy | hehe, ok |
| 03:02.52 | nullpuppy | LetoTo: k. hmm |
| 03:02.59 | ieatlint | wtf... i paid $14.85 for shipped when i ordered thursday |
| 03:03.06 | ieatlint | now it says it'd be $15.37 |
| 03:03.12 | linuxxr | ylol |
| 03:03.16 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 03:03.20 | nullpuppy | i blame gas prices |
| 03:03.21 | ieatlint | apparently 50 cent increase over 4 days |
| 03:03.35 | LetoTo | matches oil? :) |
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| 03:04.30 | ieatlint | i should get a discount, i'm paying for "2 day air", and they sure as hell aren't flying it across the bay |
| 03:04.39 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 03:04.48 | linuxxr | so no tracking #'s yet for anybody? |
| 03:05.01 | nullpuppy | thats what it sounds like :/ |
| 03:05.55 | linuxxr | hmmmm |
| 03:07.20 | linuxxr | seems that if orders starting with 1500 were shippind tomorrow ...,, mayybe there would be atleast 4 people here that got a track # |
| 03:07.41 | linuxxr | maybe not |
| 03:07.49 | rtm | I'm 1367, and I got no track number, nor any indication that shipping had occured. |
| 03:08.15 | linuxxr | im way up there at 2038 |
| 03:08.41 | linuxxr | ordered on the 4th |
| 03:08.43 | nullpuppy | 1539 here |
| 03:10.18 | rtm | With the neo1973, a wiki page was created to track when each buyer received their unit, as a function of order number. That was helpful, because you could tell if persons who had ordered after you had received their unit. We should do that again. |
| 03:12.18 | nullpuppy | that is an excellent idea |
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| 03:13.38 | cjb | what's the page? |
| 03:13.41 | LetoTo | what's a couple days on two years of time :P |
| 03:13.43 | rtm | The old neo1973 page is http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners |
| 03:13.43 | cjb | or rather, what was the page |
| 03:14.48 | rtm | It's still there. We could clone it, and maybe stop driving other people nuts with our incessant "Has anyone heard anything????" messages (I'm very guilty of this). |
| 03:15.10 | cjb | sure, go for it. |
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| 03:16.01 | nullpuppy | rtm: hehe, many of us are guilty of it |
| 03:16.48 | rtm | nullpuppy: And the lucky dogs who already have Freerunners are getting annoyed. |
| 03:17.18 | nullpuppy | yeah, i don't blame em. |
| 03:18.14 | ieatlint | see, i just rely on other people incessantly asking, and fully expect someone to run in here shouting about getting a tracking num when it happens |
| 03:18.24 | linuxxr | so some americans have recieved the freerunner already? |
| 03:18.47 | rtm | Just Bush and Cheney. |
| 03:18.52 | nullpuppy | ieatlint: yeah, i expect that to happen. probably repeatedly ;) |
| 03:18.55 | linuxxr | them dogs |
| 03:19.24 | ieatlint | it is possible that we won't get shipment confirmation, i imagine |
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| 03:20.18 | rtm | Openmoko will save themselves some grief if they send confirmation numbers. Otherwise, we'll bug them with emails and phone calls. |
| 03:20.24 | nullpuppy | possible, yeah |
| 03:21.04 | ieatlint | eh, depending on how overwhelmed they are, i could see them concentrating on shipping versus telling people they've done it |
| 03:21.28 | ieatlint | granted, they should have a system setup for this purpose, so as they log a shipment for their internal records it would tell us |
| 03:21.38 | ieatlint | but sometimes stupidity prevails, or shit breaks |
| 03:22.03 | SpeedEvil | notes there are turnkey software packages to do this with ebay. |
| 03:23.09 | ieatlint | wouldn't surprise me if ups offered a system to do it either |
| 03:31.34 | linuxxr | its called a tracking # |
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| 03:43.48 | dcordes_ | which SRCREV does frameworkd_git like? |
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| 03:46.06 | nullpuppy | rtm: did you make a page like the P1_owners? or were you going to do that? |
| 03:46.31 | rtm | I have not made the page... |
| 03:46.38 | nullpuppy | k |
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| 04:46.54 | alphabeat | sweet! http://www.brax4your.net/omoko/ |
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| 04:53.13 | doc|home | alphabeat: funkah! kinda stubby looking though, is that to scale? |
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| 04:54.02 | alphabeat | that's what i was thinking.... |
| 04:54.10 | alphabeat | not sure about the scale.. |
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| 05:24.59 | Dave | Joerg :D |
| 05:25.31 | jOERG_rw | Dave: morning! |
| 05:25.42 | nullpuppy | http://neverbashfulwithbutter.blogspot.com/2007/12/experiments-in-deliciousness-bacon.html |
| 05:25.47 | jOERG_rw | ;) |
| 05:25.48 | nullpuppy | that looks delicious |
| 05:25.55 | Dave | Behold, it is I! >:) |
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| 05:47.40 | lindi- | is there some way to press ctrl-c in the terminal? |
| 05:48.30 | bobkare | afaik no. only way i've found to abort things there is to kill the entire terminal |
| 05:48.41 | bobkare | would love to be proved wrong though |
| 05:50.00 | alphabeat | you might have to remap ctrl? |
| 05:50.38 | lindi- | alphabeat: there's some remapping facility? |
| 05:52.06 | alphabeat | in bash i think there is yeah.... |
| 05:52.27 | lindi- | alphabeat: but what if i don't run bash but have done "exec foo"? |
| 05:53.42 | alphabeat | hmm not sure sorr |
| 05:53.43 | alphabeat | y |
| 05:53.44 | lindi- | alphabeat: also, that is not bash |
| 05:53.52 | lindi- | alphabeat: since it doesn't recognize the "fc" command |
| 05:54.03 | lindi- | alphabeat: busybox sh maybe? |
| 05:54.43 | bobkare | yeah, I think it's busybox |
| 05:54.45 | alphabeat | not sure sorry. there has to be a way to remap though |
| 05:55.14 | lindi- | alphabeat: but i don't think it's shell's duty |
| 05:55.15 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 05:55.49 | SpeedEvil | xmodmap? |
| 05:55.54 | lindi- | i guess i should figure out how to build that from source |
| 05:56.07 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: mmaybe :) |
| 05:56.28 | SpeedEvil | You can run it remotely. |
| 05:56.39 | bobkare | there really is a need for a more extended keyboard, even if you can remap, which of the already few symbols there are you going to go without? |
| 05:57.51 | SpeedEvil | Who really needs q. |
| 05:58.24 | mjr | yeah, q's just an annoying little brat with superpowers |
| 05:58.34 | goodwill | nerd alert |
| 05:58.43 | mjr | what, _here_? |
| 05:59.29 | goodwill | :-P |
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| 06:03.21 | mjr | How can this be ... for he _is_ the Kwisatz Haderach! |
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| 06:35.54 | methril | morning |
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| 06:39.31 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4512 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/ (9 files): adding thumbnail and correct the naming |
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| 06:48.05 | BlackFog | 'morning |
| 06:49.31 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:02.21 | HauDyrArb | morning |
| 07:04.44 | alphabeat | oh hai |
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| 07:05.44 | Agrajag- | i may have missed something in an announcement, but is the 900 gsm model really sold out already? if so, are there more being produced? |
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| 07:12.07 | BlackFog | i guess with the next delivery at the end of the month |
| 07:15.48 | ebbe | It's quite cool it is selling so well :) |
| 07:15.58 | ebbe | Like hot butter |
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| 07:16.52 | ebbe | Agrajag-: Maybe some of the distributors have some left |
| 07:17.14 | Agrajag- | hmm yeah but i'm in australia, no distributors here |
| 07:18.30 | ebbe | Hmm. And yes I know: Patience is a bitch ;) |
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| 07:21.33 | alphabeat | Agrajag: there never was any to begin with i don't think |
| 07:21.47 | ecraven | if i setenv and saveenv in the NOR flash, will the changes be kept? |
| 07:21.55 | ecraven | on a freerunner, without changing anything else |
| 07:21.57 | Any_Key | Agrajag-, no, there mistake on the website. 900 model don't sold out, this phones not in Freemont yet AFIK |
| 07:22.04 | ebbe | ecraven: I think it did on GTA01 |
| 07:23.05 | Any_Key | s/AFIK/AFAIK/ |
| 07:23.50 | Agrajag- | Any_Key: ah ok yeah i suspected that. thanks. |
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| 07:26.35 | ecraven | how do i disconnect from the nand flash via usb? if i type ~., i confuse the boot loader, and it doesn't seem to have a command quit/exit/bye... |
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| 07:27.50 | ebbe | ecraven: I close the terminal window.. :/ |
| 07:28.08 | ecraven | hm.. bootloader is still confused ;( |
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| 07:33.53 | lindi- | Ainulindale: thanks a lot for your help on getting openmoko emulation work for me. i documented all the steps at http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/blog/posts/openmoko_emulation.html |
| 07:34.14 | ecraven | can the kernel be a symlink? or does it have to be an actual file? |
| 07:36.05 | Zoup | lindi-: thanks :) |
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| 07:39.52 | HauDyrArb | ecraven, if the symlink links to an actual file its probably ok |
| 07:40.46 | HauDyrArb | but i think that the kernel is in its own partition |
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| 07:41.17 | ecraven | HauDyrArb: it shouldn't need to be |
| 07:42.12 | HauDyrArb | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Partition |
| 07:42.24 | HauDyrArb | explains it better |
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| 07:44.48 | ecraven | HauDyrArb: i want to boot from SD, not internally |
| 07:45.21 | HauDyrArb | i am not sure its working yet |
| 07:45.38 | ecraven | some people seem to have it working |
| 07:45.59 | HauDyrArb | at least automatic using the boot loader |
| 07:46.28 | ebbe | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card |
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| 07:47.44 | ecraven | ebbe: i tried that, doesn't quite work |
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| 07:48.15 | ebbe | ecraven: How far do you get? |
| 07:48.17 | ChaosEagle | Good morning! ;) |
| 07:49.33 | HauDyrArb | morning |
| 07:49.55 | ecraven | yay, seems i got it mostly working.. |
| 07:50.02 | HauDyrArb | cool |
| 07:50.06 | ecraven | single partition sd, with kernel in /boot/ |
| 07:50.16 | ChaosEagle | could any of you help me with gps on the gta02? |
| 07:50.20 | ecraven | took me some time to understand why fatload was called *fat*load |
| 07:50.33 | ecraven | ChaosEagle: i tried this morning, and i can't seem to get a lock on any satellites |
| 07:50.39 | ChaosEagle | me neither :/ |
| 07:50.54 | ChaosEagle | AGPSUI is pretty standalone and doesn't need gpsd, does it? |
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| 07:51.32 | bobkare | Try standing still somewhere with good view of the sky for 15-20 minutes |
| 07:51.38 | ChaosEagle | actually, my freerunner doesn't even SEE a single satellite according to agpsui |
| 07:51.50 | ChaosEagle | mhh, I'll try placing the freerunner on the window pane again |
| 07:52.08 | bobkare | I haven't had any luck in windows, only outside in the open |
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| 07:52.35 | ChaosEagle | mhh... |
| 07:52.37 | ecraven | bobkare: 15 minutes? |
| 07:53.04 | bobkare | you can also look at the community ML thread "GPS", there's a perl script there for agps that's supposed to help a lot |
| 07:53.11 | HauDyrArb | ecraven, now when it boots do you have tell it to use the SD from the bootloader or is it automatic ? |
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| 07:53.39 | ecraven | HauDyrArb: i have to tell it, but for some reason it still seems to boot the internal system ;( |
| 07:53.52 | ChaosEagle | yeah, I know, but first I'm trying to get it to at least see any satellites, that should be possible, right? |
| 07:54.02 | bobkare | ecraven: that's about the fastest I've gotten a cold fix. the freerunner needs to download a complete almanac which is sent every 12 minutes |
| 07:54.22 | ecraven | bobkare: ah, i don't know much about GPS.. so after that, fixes should be much faster? |
| 07:54.24 | bobkare | ChaosEagle: it might show something in the signal strength tab, nowhere else though |
| 07:54.32 | ChaosEagle | mhh, okay |
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| 07:54.55 | ChaosEagle | but basically you don't need any extra config files or gpsd for agpsui to work? |
| 07:55.20 | bobkare | ecraven: it loses all state when you turn it off so every time the gps is turned off/reset you have to wait |
| 07:55.34 | bobkare | ChaosEagle: look at the log tab, does it spit out lots of nmea? |
| 07:55.44 | bobkare | ChaosEagle: if not you probably need gpsd |
| 07:55.47 | ChaosEagle | bobkare: yes, it does |
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| 07:56.09 | ChaosEagle | got gpsd, though, and changed /etc/default/gpsd according to the hint in the wiki |
| 07:56.10 | bobkare | ok, then it doesn't seem to need gpsd, nice to know. |
| 07:56.11 | ecraven | bobkare: that doesn't sound good.. so every time i restart the phone, i need to wait 20 minutes for a lock? |
| 07:56.21 | ChaosEagle | so it's waiting now I guess |
| 07:56.45 | ChaosEagle | bobkare: I think so, at least it already produced nmea-senteces without gpsd yesterday |
| 07:57.06 | bobkare | ecraven: Yes, currently you have to. have a look at the mentioned ML thread for the agps script, that's supposed to help |
| 07:57.07 | HauDyrArb | bobkare, why does it need to download the almanac, and will it be changed so it dont have to? |
| 07:58.12 | bobkare | HauDyrArb: Because the almanac contains info on where the satellites are which is kind of the basis for the entire system to work. The agps stuff may turn out to be a solution to speed this up to reasonable speeds |
| 07:58.20 | ChaosEagle | ecraven: according to the ML, you can vastly improve the TTFF with an external antenna, though - thought of getting one later today |
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| 07:58.35 | andrenarchy | dschanni |
| 07:58.44 | andrenarchy | sorry wrong tab |
| 07:58.46 | andrenarchy | ;) |
| 07:58.53 | HauDyrArb | bobkare, ok |
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| 08:00.14 | bobkare | haven't tried that script yet myself, will probably have a go later today |
| 08:02.49 | ChaosEagle | bobkare: let us know how it worked out :) |
| 08:05.24 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03tick * r4513 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/ (30 files in 3 dirs): reorginize the thumbnails directories |
| 08:05.49 | Wander_w | Using an external antenna is somewhat diminishing the purpose of an all-in-one device |
| 08:07.23 | ecraven | i looked through that threat, but no perl script was mentioned |
| 08:09.28 | ecraven | does anyone have aid-ini.pl? |
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| 08:11.27 | ChaosEagle2 | re (disconnect -.- ) |
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| 08:16.51 | Zoup | lindi-: i did that and still i get 'no network' , any idea ? |
| 08:17.52 | lindi- | Zoup: did you flash.sh? |
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| 08:18.17 | Zoup | lindi-: Yes |
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| 08:19.02 | lindi- | Zoup: what does it print? |
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| 08:20.51 | Zoup | lindi-: http://rafb.net/p/KfduMZ93.html |
| 08:22.03 | lindi- | Zoup: did you download devel rootfs image to right location? |
| 08:22.22 | bman | so |
| 08:22.28 | lindi- | Zoup: check the "I downloaded a new gtk image from" part |
| 08:22.44 | bman | does moko have plans for arm compatibility? |
| 08:23.14 | Zoup | lindi-: i did , its tar.gz file not jffs |
| 08:23.28 | Zoup | lindi-: the file IS under /openmoko |
| 08:24.38 | lindi- | Zoup: my blog post is wrong :) |
| 08:24.51 | lindi- | Zoup: you want Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080706-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 08:25.06 | mjr | bman, what do you mean? The Neos _are_ arm? |
| 08:25.17 | Zoup | do i have to get Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080706-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 then ?:) |
| 08:25.23 | mjr | v4 to be more spesific |
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| 08:26.05 | lindi- | Zoup: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080706/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 08:26.12 | bman | sweet |
| 08:26.15 | bman | :) |
| 08:26.17 | bman | just asking |
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| 08:27.18 | rgl | waves |
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| 08:27.34 | NiZoX | hi |
| 08:28.26 | lindi- | Zoup: or hmm |
| 08:28.47 | lindi- | Zoup: the links seem to expire fast |
| 08:28.57 | Zoup | lindi-: already downloading something .. |
| 08:29.53 | Zoup | lindi-: put it under /openmoko , name rootfs_wildcard as its name , flash , qemu , right ? |
| 08:30.29 | lindi- | Zoup: i know i have 'Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080706-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2' but i can't find it from any mirror anymore |
| 08:30.34 | lindi- | Zoup: yes |
| 08:31.14 | Zoup | lindi-: Great :) |
| 08:31.20 | Zoup | lindi-: illet you know the result |
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| 09:05.08 | torpor | hey guys .. i have configured opkg to have another -d <destination> (the card) and i would like to know if there is still the requirement to 'fix-links' so that there are symlinks on root to the new destination. |
| 09:05.27 | torpor | my neo1973 is definitely crammed to the gills with apps, and i need to put more stuff on there safely and comfortably, so i hope i can do that .. |
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| 09:08.34 | ecraven | what is the best dialler around for the freerunner? |
| 09:08.47 | polz | torpor: wouldn't it be easier to just put / on the card ? |
| 09:09.13 | polz | ecraven: Toby from down the street. He can get you anything, he knows people :P |
| 09:09.34 | polz | oh, dialler, not dealer. Sorry :) |
| 09:09.38 | ecraven | ;-P ;) |
| 09:09.44 | torpor | polz: i could do that, but i haven't yet. |
| 09:09.58 | torpor | i'd like to have a simpler setup right now, and i don't have time to work out why root-on-sd isn't working on my neo |
| 09:10.01 | ecraven | torpor: if you manage that, please tell me how, i can't get the FR to boot from sd |
| 09:10.11 | torpor | yeah its related to the version of u-boot you're using. |
| 09:10.44 | torpor | there are *serious* bugs in uboot which means that it doesn't see the SD card. this has been fixed about 7 times, but due to project weirdness - developers and distro makers not talking to each other, or testing features - it constantly regresses .. |
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| 09:10.57 | torpor | you have to find a u-boot that works. |
| 09:11.08 | torpor | and of course, you have to then not brick your freerunner putting it on there. |
| 09:11.19 | ecraven | torpor: how do i find such a u-boot? |
| 09:11.59 | polz | torpor: I think I "cheated" a bit. My kernel is on a separate partition and I just pass the rootfs to it as a parameter |
| 09:12.18 | polz | torpor: so uboot can't screw up anything there :) |
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| 09:14.43 | torpor | ecraven: you have to either build u-boot yourself, and test it yourself, or find someone who has already done that. |
| 09:15.47 | torpor | i've done it myself a few times for my neo1973 but i keep gettign bitten in the ass by regression, so i've decided to wait until i get my freerunner and then i will do a mammoth project to get my neo1973 and FR booting from SD, using a similar config, so that I can have the monster linux box in my pocket that i've always wanted, compiler onboard, source onboard, python IDE onboard, bt working, wlan working, gps, calls, etc. ;) |
| 09:16.07 | ecraven | torpor: when will you get your freerunner? |
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| 09:16.21 | ecraven | torpor: that's what i want too ;) |
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| 09:18.13 | torpor | ecraven next week probably |
| 09:18.40 | torpor | i already had my neo1973 set up perfectly and then it got borked by u-boot regression and i've had to put aside my sd image and just boot the scaredycat image in the meantime. |
| 09:19.03 | ecraven | torpor: very good ;) |
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| 09:19.14 | ecraven | i only got mine yesterday, and i don't understand most of the problems i'm facing |
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| 09:21.35 | torpor | ecraven: well its early days yet. |
| 09:21.55 | torpor | hopefully someone will come along an dstart producing a real image for you that will pack everything onboard that you could possibly want in a phone and you won't have to worry about it. |
| 09:22.07 | ecraven | mainly i want it to be faster.. |
| 09:22.18 | ecraven | the dialler needs 2 seconds to start up, that's not a Good Thing |
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| 09:24.34 | Haproli | torpor: Yeah that would be a good thing |
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| 09:25.38 | Haproli | For me, I know to use linux a bit, but there is not a lot of stuff I understand on my freerunner. But hey, that's for me to figure that out I guess |
| 09:26.24 | lindi- | Haproli: do you already have your freerunner? |
| 09:26.29 | Haproli | Yeah |
| 09:26.43 | Haproli | got here yesterday, from Germany |
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| 09:27.24 | lindi- | Haproli: no smoke yet? |
| 09:27.49 | Haproli | None I am aware of lol |
| 09:28.01 | HauDyr | Haproli, where did you order it from and when? |
| 09:28.28 | Haproli | http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=[Shop] |
| 09:28.34 | Haproli | this is the url of the store |
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| 09:28.48 | HauDyr | same place where i orderet |
| 09:28.55 | Haproli | it comes with ears and a nice sack |
| 09:29.17 | ebbe | 0o-o0 Ears :) |
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| 09:29.40 | lindi- | Haproli: what features have you tested so far? |
| 09:29.51 | Haproli | Order date: 2008-06-30 11:21:05 |
| 09:30.09 | Haproli | everything that ships standard and is graphical |
| 09:30.19 | Haproli | ow and vi |
| 09:30.32 | Haproli | Only thing I'm missing is a fully featured keyboard |
| 09:30.43 | Haproli | and I can't find out to actually send an sms |
| 09:31.22 | Haproli | I can type it, save it, etc but Can't figure out how to actually send it |
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| 09:31.54 | ebbe | Haproli: Nothing happens when you press the mail icon on the top? |
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| 09:32.01 | Wander_w | ...attach your freerunner to a pidgeon |
| 09:32.04 | Wander_w | easy |
| 09:32.22 | Haproli | No, it moves the sms to mij "sent" box |
| 09:32.34 | Haproli | but nothing arrives |
| 09:32.50 | ebbe | Haproli: Have you updated the software? |
| 09:33.01 | Haproli | I installed the latest image |
| 09:33.06 | Haproli | latest stable image* |
| 09:33.24 | ebbe | Try opkg update; opkg upgrade |
| 09:33.44 | ebbe | And try again |
| 09:33.46 | HauDyr | Haproli, i ordered mine Order date: 2008-06-27 14:03:32 and i havent recievet it yet :-( |
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| 09:33.53 | Haproli | Where are you ? |
| 09:33.57 | HauDyr | Denmark |
| 09:34.12 | Haproli | Strange, I'm in Belgium |
| 09:34.34 | ebbe | HauDyr: Hvordan har du bestilt? |
| 09:34.41 | yangvnc | This battery metter in openmoko, when i click it nothing happens, I don't know the level of my battery, is there a way to see that? |
| 09:35.01 | HauDyr | fra hanheld-linux.com |
| 09:35.04 | Haproli | I will try to update, but I first need to connect to wifi |
| 09:35.15 | HauDyr | ca 1000kr dyre men hva |
| 09:35.20 | Haproli | and I don't have time to do that right now, I'm "working" |
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| 09:36.06 | ebbe | yangvnc: When it's not charging or connected via usb, it should show |
| 09:36.20 | ebbe | HauDyr: Men bare selv så? |
| 09:36.35 | yangvnc | ebbe: it doesnt |
| 09:36.36 | HauDyr | ebbe, yeps |
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| 09:36.55 | yangvnc | ebbe: should the meter appear on the icon if i click it? |
| 09:37.22 | Haproli | ebbe: This evening I'm going to read some about the package manager |
| 09:37.23 | ebbe | yangvnc: Nothing should happen.. |
| 09:37.48 | ebbe | yangvnc: What are you using? ASU, om2007.02? |
| 09:37.58 | yangvnc | ebbe: Motorola a780 |
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| 09:38.42 | ebbe | yangvnc: Maybe that's the problem then. Maybe it simply don't know how to read the battery level from that phone |
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| 09:40.12 | yangvnc | yep |
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| 09:42.50 | Ainulindale | paulproteus: hey |
| 09:43.33 | lindi- | Haproli: 349 EUR? interesting, 299EUR from pulster.de must have been extra cheap :) |
| 09:44.09 | Haproli | lindi: Yeah I mailed to pulster.de, but the delivery was one month later |
| 09:44.23 | Haproli | Do you get the ears and sack with pulster ? |
| 09:44.24 | ebbe | lindi-: Isn't pulster without puch and hearphones? |
| 09:44.30 | Haproli | puch* |
| 09:44.40 | Haproli | sack isn't the right word I believe :-d |
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| 09:44.48 | Ainulindale | pouch |
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| 09:44.57 | ebbe | *pouch then :) |
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| 09:49.24 | torpor | Haproli: me too .. i first placed an order with pulster, but then when they told me at least a month to wait i switched to handhelds .. hopefully we get our freerunners next week eh? |
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| 09:51.54 | KenSentMe | Hi, i just received my Freerunner, yay! Where can i find information about connecting to a wifi-network? |
| 09:52.34 | Tanuva | KenSentMe: on the wiki |
| 09:52.36 | HauDyr | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi |
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| 09:53.14 | Tanuva | my neo claims to be associated with the ap but I cant get it to ping or to be pingable... |
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| 09:53.27 | KenSentMe | I just found that page, there is not desktop application for wifi in the standard openmoko software? |
| 09:53.37 | Tanuva | afaik no |
| 09:54.08 | Tanuva | but its not that hard to set up, just ssh to it, using a terminal on it is quite painful :) |
| 09:54.41 | Haproli | torpot: I already have mine |
| 09:54.48 | Haproli | torpor* |
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| 09:55.31 | KenSentMe | Tanuva, i connected throug usb/ssh. What file editor do you use to create the conf file? |
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| 09:56.46 | Tanuva | KenSentMe: vi for example |
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| 09:57.00 | Tanuva | maybe theres something else available... |
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| 09:57.54 | KenSentMe | Tanuva, i am not used to using vi, so i have to learn it first. I use nano normally |
| 09:58.26 | Tanuva | KenSentMe: press 'i' to "insert" -> type in the file, then esc and ":wq" to save and quit |
| 09:58.42 | KenSentMe | Ah, thanks! |
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| 10:10.02 | ecraven | can the internal wifi connect to wpa-encrypted networks? |
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| 10:13.39 | playya | ecraven, yes http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan |
| 10:14.25 | ecraven | playya: thanks! i tried wifi and wireless, but found nothing ;( should have tried wlan too |
| 10:14.59 | KenSentMe | I get 404 errors when running opkg update. Is that a know problem? |
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| 10:17.26 | ebbe | KenSentMe: Yes, don't mind them.. |
| 10:17.51 | KenSentMe | ebbe, ok, but the file list is updated anyway? |
| 10:17.57 | ebbe | Yes |
| 10:18.01 | KenSentMe | Cool |
| 10:18.21 | ebbe | Unless every repository gives a 404 |
| 10:18.38 | ebbe | But a few (like 4 i think) always does |
| 10:18.48 | KenSentMe | I'm running opkg upgrade now without errors, so some things do work |
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| 10:19.52 | KenSentMe | Is anyone using tangogps |
| 10:20.02 | ebbe | KenSentMe: I am |
| 10:20.07 | ebbe | But not on Freerunner |
| 10:20.18 | ebbe | Only on Neo1973 |
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| 10:23.42 | ecraven | KenSentMe: i tried, but i can't get a gps lock |
| 10:24.26 | KenSentMe | ecraven, did you install libsqlite? |
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| 10:26.09 | KenSentMe | It seems to be a dependancy of tangogps, but i get an error that it is missing |
| 10:27.20 | leinirAWAY | walks in and holds a big, brown parcel up in the classic victorious get pose "Weeh!" ;) |
| 10:27.25 | ecraven | KenSentMe: it installed that automatically |
| 10:27.56 | KenSentMe | ecraven, ah, let me check again when the upgrade is finished |
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| 10:28.38 | ecraven | is there an application for the FR that shows me the statistics about all interfaces? mainly ip addresses and whether it is up or down? |
| 10:28.53 | Wander_w | ecraven: ifconfig? |
| 10:28.59 | Ainulindale | ecraven: None that I know about but the one you will come up with :-) |
| 10:29.00 | ecraven | Wander_w: something more gui-friendly |
| 10:29.21 | ecraven | i want to see the ip of my neo without attaching it to a computer, so i can connect via wlan |
| 10:29.27 | bobkare | KenSentMe: I am |
| 10:29.56 | Ainulindale | ecraven: there's a hello world application on the wiki that does something near that |
| 10:30.01 | Ainulindale | Perhaps you could modify it ? |
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| 10:30.56 | ecraven | Ainulindale: i'll look into it, but i haven't tried compiling anything for the FR (or any other phone), so it might take some time |
| 10:31.31 | Ainulindale | ecraven: I think it was python |
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| 10:33.04 | Haproli | If I update with the opkg package manager, will it automaticly pick the fastest connection ? |
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| 10:33.23 | ecraven | Ainulindale: looks like c |
| 10:33.41 | Ainulindale | Don't move, I'll check that |
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| 10:34.13 | Ainulindale | http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2008/07/01/openmoko-freerunner-test-application/ |
| 10:34.15 | Ainulindale | Here |
| 10:34.17 | Ainulindale | Python. |
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| 10:35.59 | ecraven | Ainulindale: thanks! looking into it right now |
| 10:36.12 | Ainulindale | You're welcome |
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| 10:41.27 | KenSentMe | I get this error when trying to install tangogps: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25893/ |
| 10:42.18 | ebbe | KenSentMe: Are you connected to the net? |
| 10:42.36 | KenSentMe | good one |
| 10:42.53 | CVirus | lol |
| 10:43.07 | bobkare | sounds like you either have no net connection or not a working resolver |
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| 10:44.11 | KenSentMe | I think wifi went down during the upgrade |
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| 10:46.50 | ecraven | Ainulindale: now i have this nice python file, and all necessary dependencies, but how do i actually start it on the neo? i have an open ssh connection |
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| 10:47.51 | ebbe | ecraven: Write: export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 10:48.04 | ebbe | And then execute the file |
| 10:48.14 | ecraven | thanks ;) |
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| 10:56.07 | KenSentMe | bobkare, If tangogps says 'No GPS found' does that mean that it can't connect to the gps device or that it doesnt get a gps signal? |
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| 10:58.09 | ecraven | how can i automatically start gpsd whenever i activate the gps |
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| 11:01.03 | bobkare | KenSentMe: means it can't connec to gpsd |
| 11:01.05 | bobkare | *connect |
| 11:01.19 | KenSentMe | bobkare, did you manage to get it working with gpsd? |
| 11:02.22 | bobkare | yes |
| 11:02.32 | bobkare | there are instructions for setting up gpsd on the wiki |
| 11:02.38 | bobkare | you have to change the device it opens |
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| 11:03.18 | bobkare | ecraven: I think you normally just let gpsd run, the gps can be switched on and off anyway |
| 11:03.57 | ecraven | bobkare: so it's no problem for gpsd if the gps goes away? |
| 11:04.11 | ecraven | how do i add applications to the menu? |
| 11:04.16 | bobkare | ecraven: tell me if you find out what's trigged by the turn on gps menu though, I'd like to fire the agps script there |
| 11:04.40 | bobkare | gpsd shouldn't have any problems with the gps being switched on and off |
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| 11:05.04 | ecraven | bobkare: ;) agps is aid-ini.pl ?? |
| 11:05.57 | bobkare | not sure, haven't looked at it yet |
| 11:06.13 | bobkare | some perl script mentioned on the community ML |
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| 11:08.59 | KenSentMe | bobkare, there is no /etc/default/gpsd on my system, should i create a new one and add 'GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1' ? |
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| 11:10.06 | bobkare | KenSentMe: and you installed gpsd via opkg? |
| 11:10.55 | Tuju | how fast data connections you can have with GPRS 2,5G ? |
| 11:11.07 | Tuju | it's not 3g right? |
| 11:11.11 | bobkare | KenSentMe: you'd have to see if /etc/init.d/gpsd reads the settings from the default file |
| 11:11.15 | mjr | theory, 80kbps, practice, >50 |
| 11:11.19 | mjr | it's not |
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| 11:11.29 | Tuju | mjr: ah, that's well enough. thanks :) |
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| 11:11.55 | Tuju | mjr: hi mikko |
| 11:11.57 | mjr | 's okay for many things |
| 11:12.07 | mjr | not all, but many :] |
| 11:12.41 | Tuju | well, in many places you can't get flatrate so 3g is just faster way to get rid of your €'s :) |
| 11:13.19 | mjr | luckily we do get flat :] |
| 11:13.30 | raster | ands in some places 3g data is 1/100th the price of 2g data |
| 11:13.31 | Tuju | i assume that this now sold model works fine in EU |
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| 11:13.37 | ecraven | how do i add an exit button in a pygtk application? |
| 11:13.37 | raster | (or that factor) |
| 11:13.50 | raster | as u can buy it in monthly plans of like 1, 2, or 5gb/month |
| 11:13.52 | Tuju | in band wise |
| 11:13.55 | raster | but 2g data is charged per kb |
| 11:14.08 | raster | and per kb charges are insane |
| 11:14.24 | Tuju | raster: yep, talk about telco greediness :) |
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| 11:14.42 | raster | Tuju: actually in .au 3 offers the bes data rates |
| 11:14.47 | raster | but they dont even yhave a 2g network |
| 11:14.51 | raster | they ONLY have a 3g network |
| 11:14.55 | raster | thus if u are not on 3g |
| 11:14.56 | Tuju | ah, that's odd :) |
| 11:15.01 | raster | u are roaming on a competitors 2g network |
| 11:15.07 | raster | and 3 have to pay the competitor for network access |
| 11:15.12 | raster | thus the charges are high |
| 11:15.23 | raster | if its on 3's own 3g+ only network u get excellent rates |
| 11:15.31 | Tuju | luckily estonia/tallinn is filled with wifi ;-) |
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| 11:15.44 | raster | thus for me 3g vs 2g for data is a deal breaker in terms of using a neo or freerunner for data. |
| 11:15.57 | raster | .au is filled with it too |
| 11:15.59 | raster | wel sydney is |
| 11:16.09 | raster | i can see like 100+access points from my balcony |
| 11:16.15 | Tuju | heh |
| 11:16.17 | raster | but every single one is wep/wpa |
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| 11:16.30 | Tuju | here are street signs that denote for wifi coverage. |
| 11:16.30 | raster | u have download/upload wuotas on your boradband |
| 11:16.32 | raster | per month |
| 11:16.34 | Tuju | and they are everywhere. |
| 11:16.36 | Danker | raster: So you can have free internet ;) |
| 11:16.48 | raster | so u sure as hell dont go giving out free broadband access via an open wireless AP to people |
| 11:16.55 | raster | because u paid for the bandwidth |
| 11:16.56 | raster | then they use it |
| 11:16.59 | raster | and when its used up... |
| 11:17.05 | raster | u either pay per MB in excess |
| 11:17.15 | raster | or u get dropped down to 128kbit until the end of the month |
| 11:17.30 | raster | Danker: no... wpa/wep... |
| 11:17.37 | raster | they lock them down |
| 11:17.48 | Danker | wep is almost free internet ;) |
| 11:17.49 | mjr | Tuju, get the 900MHz model |
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| 11:17.58 | Danker | wpa is hard to "crack" |
| 11:18.03 | Danker | But wep is quite easy ;) |
| 11:18.28 | Tuju | mjr: ack, I'll do! |
| 11:18.40 | raster | Danker: cracking wep would be actively circumventing locks/protection |
| 11:18.41 | Tuju | mjr: thanks for the tip. |
| 11:18.52 | raster | as such it would be an obvious crime to crack wep and use that network |
| 11:18.59 | raster | an oipen network is grey-are |
| 11:19.03 | Danker | Maybe x) |
| 11:19.07 | raster | but a secured one is "we put up a door and a lock - so keep out" |
| 11:19.25 | Tuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.35 | mjr | Tuju, well you asked for one that works in europe... |
| 11:19.46 | HauDyr | more like a gnat net than a door :-) |
| 11:19.57 | Tuju | mjr: yep, i didn't know which band is nowdays in use. |
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| 11:20.19 | mjr | 850 is an american thing since they like to do things differently |
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| 11:20.35 | mjr | and sadly, no full quad for gta02 (03, maybe, apparently) |
| 11:20.47 | mjr | the other bands are 1800 and 1900, but both phones do those |
| 11:21.13 | Tuju | having a tenpack of wrong model might not be fun :) |
| 11:22.13 | mjr | at least last I checked btw 900 models were only sold by EU resellers, not openmoko's own web store. Might have changed or change. |
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| 11:22.21 | mjr | (such as pulster.de) |
| 11:23.04 | raster | we definitel want to do full quad in the future |
| 11:23.05 | raster | we will try |
| 11:23.15 | raster | having to make 2 models of phone just sucks for production |
| 11:23.20 | KenSentMe | bobkare, tangogps is now working and connected to gpsd, thanks for the help. Now let's find a gps signal |
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| 11:27.51 | bobkare | KenSentMe: good luck |
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| 11:38.12 | heavenquake | what's included in the Neo Freerunner? Software-wise, I mean... Adress book, webbrowser, stuff like that? |
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| 11:40.32 | Haproli | heavenquake: Contacts, dialer, messages, screenshots, terminal |
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| 11:40.54 | Danker | Haproli: Is there any problems getting ssh to work? |
| 11:41.28 | lindi- | heavenquake: do you have vnc client? |
| 11:41.30 | Haproli | Don't know, Will try it this evening |
| 11:41.36 | heavenquake | lindi-: nope |
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| 11:41.53 | heavenquake | Haproli: can I download/install fx Opera Mini through the terminal? |
| 11:41.54 | lindi- | heavenquake: if you can get one i you can use my emulated freerunner over internet :) |
| 11:41.59 | spydon | hehe does ssh with X forwarding work? :P |
| 11:42.01 | Danker | And what about wifi - is it possible to get it working? |
| 11:42.11 | lindi- | heavenquake: opera is proprietary, what's the point? ;) |
| 11:42.22 | heavenquake | lindi-: the point is having a webbrowser? :) |
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| 11:44.15 | heavenquake | lindi-: I've installed a VNC client. How should I connect? |
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| 11:46.05 | Haproli | heavenquake: you can use wget to download it, don't know about the install |
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| 11:46.17 | ecraven | ssh works out of the box |
| 11:47.14 | lindi- | heavenquake: see /query |
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| 11:48.03 | heavenquake | right |
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| 11:51.58 | KenSentMe | What is the standard web browser for the freerunner? |
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| 11:54.27 | ecraven | i just tried the openmoko-browser2, doesn't work too well ;( |
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| 11:58.26 | fragged | G'day guys, I'm interested in a Neo1973 but I'm wondering if 'Assisted GPS' hardware is the same as that of one of those in-car GPS systems?. This may sound silly, but Im asking because I believe the iPhone 2.0 triangulates signal from mobile phone towers to tell you your suburb and call this 'assisted GPS', I'm looking for one that will be able to replace a navigation system in a car |
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| 12:00.18 | bobkare | fragged: it's a normal GPS |
| 12:01.03 | fragged | ah, ok cool, I'll look forward to getting one in the coming months :) |
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| 12:01.25 | bobkare | fragged: it may be extended with a-gps features later, which is really just about giving the gps some idea of what the time is, where it is and where the satellites are when it starts up so it can get a fix faster |
| 12:01.28 | linuxxr | Hans Reiser, the Linux programmer convicted in April of murdering his estranged wife, has led police to what is believed to be her body |
| 12:01.42 | linuxxr | mang |
| 12:01.45 | spydon | linuxxr, old ;) |
| 12:02.04 | spydon | linuxxr, I read it several minutes ago ;) |
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| 12:02.40 | fragged | bobkare, ah, I've been interested in a phone for in-car use as its only a hundred dollars more than a car-gps anyway :) |
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| 12:03.32 | yangvnc | hej polz |
| 12:04.05 | polz | yangvnc: 'llo. |
| 12:04.53 | bumbl | fragged: at the moment there is a discussion on the mailinglist concerning gps; at the moment if you need it buy it but buy an external antenna for faster fixes too |
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| 12:05.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4514 10/developers/erin_yueh/pythonEFL-sudoku/src/sudoku_ui.py: add clear function and some checking rules (Erin Yueh) |
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| 12:09.16 | fragged | Also, I understand the software is not entirely stable, but are the ingoing/outgoing phone and text message features considered stable yet? |
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| 12:11.32 | kdubois | fragged: as far as ive been told, they're functional |
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| 12:20.29 | Scythe|Bed | quick question about the freerunner: can it charge via USB? |
| 12:20.49 | HauDyr | Scythe|Bed, there is no other way |
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| 12:21.11 | Scythe|Bed | ah good, i saw the package came with an AC adaptor and I got worried |
| 12:21.15 | Wander_w | It can even charge *other* devices via USB :D |
| 12:21.26 | Scythe|Bed | must be a wall wart with a usb socket |
| 12:21.32 | Wander_w | Scythe|Bed: yes it is |
| 12:21.33 | HauDyr | yes |
| 12:21.44 | Scythe|Bed | i'm mighty tempted, i'm in the market for a new phone |
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| 12:21.52 | Scythe|Bed | the only hesitation I have is that it doesn't include a camera |
| 12:21.57 | nuclear_eclipse | who decided to call AC adapters warts?! |
| 12:22.06 | Scythe|Bed | wall warts, that's what we call 'em |
| 12:22.17 | nuclear_eclipse | I know, and I just don't understand it! |
| 12:22.18 | raster | i hate wall warts |
| 12:22.26 | Wander_w | Scythe|Bed: the freerunner is probably able to use a ordinary webcam |
| 12:22.30 | raster | i sooo wish for the day we have DC power sockets... on the wall |
| 12:22.31 | Haproli | ow wart, I accidently read mart |
| 12:22.41 | HauDyr | raster, what about wall marts? |
| 12:22.43 | Scythe|Bed | mzb_d800: back me up here, you've heard AC adaptors referred to as wall warts |
| 12:22.53 | Scythe|Bed | uh, whups, how'd that /me get there |
| 12:22.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * ra3289d332a56 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/vendor_ficgta01.cpp: [ticalypso] Enable callwaiting again and change CPI handling |
| 12:23.01 | troy_ | warts as in those bubbly things that grow on skin? |
| 12:23.03 | mzb_d800 | yeah, so? |
| 12:23.13 | raster | HauDyr: luckily for me i dont live in the oo-ess-ov-eh... so i am not afflicted by wallmarts |
| 12:23.14 | raster | :) |
| 12:23.21 | troy_ | how terrible |
| 12:23.28 | Scythe|Bed | Wander_w: probably is able, doesn't really compare to having a built-in camera |
| 12:23.34 | Wander_w | wall warts: they are called that way because, like real warts; you just keep getting more, and never less |
| 12:23.37 | Scythe|Bed | mzb_d800: they don't believe me |
| 12:23.47 | nuclear_eclipse | Wander_w: ah, it finally makes sense! |
| 12:23.51 | nuclear_eclipse | thank you |
| 12:23.59 | troy_ | i can haz wart remover? |
| 12:24.00 | Wander_w | Scythe|Bed: no, indeed, proper webcams are far better :P |
| 12:24.06 | mzb_d800 | I didn't say I liked the term ... but I've certainly heard them called that |
| 12:24.23 | Scythe|Bed | Wander_w: if I wanted to take a proper photo I'd whip out my digicam, but I don't carry that everywhere |
| 12:24.30 | Scythe|Bed | I DO carry my phone everywhere, however |
| 12:24.34 | KenSentMe | I get this error when running gconftool: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25919/ Should i put dbus-launch in front? I did that without errors, but my interface didnt change either |
| 12:24.50 | Scythe|Bed | http://www.tjhowse.com/bazmacro.jpg <-- I have a good digicam already |
| 12:24.58 | raster | troy_: use usb power from your desktop/laptop |
| 12:25.04 | Wander_w | Scythe|Bed: well... there is a little bit of space left in the moko, maybe you can add a camera in there |
| 12:25.05 | raster | i love the idea of usb powered stuff |
| 12:25.08 | raster | less wall warts |
| 12:25.19 | raster | recycle my already prodgious set of usb ports |
| 12:25.22 | Scythe|Bed | raster: hell yes, I spooge all over anything USB-charged |
| 12:25.27 | raster | then again... i'm beginning to run out |
| 12:25.38 | nuclear_eclipse | raster: now I never have enough USB sockets ! |
| 12:25.43 | raster | Scythe|Bed: i didnt need that image... :) |
| 12:25.51 | Scythe|Bed | but he's soooo cuute |
| 12:25.59 | Wander_w | buy a (wall wart-powered) powered USB hub |
| 12:26.10 | Scythe|Bed | in the high-res version you can see me reflected in his eyes |
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| 12:26.16 | raster | nuclear_eclipse: yeah. it's becomign a problem. thank god my monitor contrains a powere dusb hub with 4 more portipoos to play with... and a cd/sd/etc card reader |
| 12:26.18 | leinir | Scythe|Bed: Yeah, i do well without a camera in the phone as well :) i do know a number of people for whom it is a deal-clincher, though, which is a shame :) |
| 12:26.22 | raster | so i dontneed another usb one... |
| 12:26.25 | leinir | Scythe|Bed: And that's a cute doggie *giggles* :) |
| 12:26.48 | nuclear_eclipse | raster: what monitor is that? it sounds really fancy/nice/mewantone :) |
| 12:26.51 | Scythe|Bed | leinir: if it had a camera (and there were ant GSM850s in stock), i'd've already bought one |
| 12:26.55 | Scythe|Bed | but now it's a Decision |
| 12:26.57 | Scythe|Bed | with a capital D |
| 12:27.03 | raster | nuclear_eclipse: dell 27" |
| 12:27.10 | nuclear_eclipse | cries |
| 12:27.10 | Ainulindale | Hmmmmm home roasted coffee |
| 12:27.11 | raster | its nto fancy |
| 12:27.21 | raster | a lot of monitors come with usb hubs in them now |
| 12:27.24 | raster | for pluggin kbd/mouse |
| 12:27.26 | Ainulindale | Smells soooo good |
| 12:27.31 | nuclear_eclipse | has no money after moko... |
| 12:27.31 | raster | aas my kbd/mouse are a wireless combo |
| 12:27.33 | raster | i dont need that |
| 12:27.35 | Scythe|Bed | my keyboard's got two USB ports in the back |
| 12:27.39 | raster | so i recycle it and plug my freerunners in |
| 12:27.47 | Scythe|Bed | s? plural? |
| 12:27.51 | Scythe|Bed | you have more than one? |
| 12:28.04 | raster | in fact i often have 3 phones plugged in charging/being hacked on |
| 12:28.08 | raster | my motorola and my fr's |
| 12:28.23 | raster | Scythe|Bed: yes. it's kind of a necessity |
| 12:28.23 | Ainulindale | Scythe|Bed: raster's a zillionnaire :-) |
| 12:28.24 | HauDyr | kewl |
| 12:28.37 | raster | Ainulindale: i wish. |
| 12:28.46 | HauDyr | Ainulindale, you ment was |
| 12:28.48 | raster | i only have 2 |
| 12:28.48 | lindi- | building small usb keyboard for openmoko would be interesting project |
| 12:28.53 | Ainulindale | At least you have your freerunner :-) |
| 12:28.53 | raster | but since i work at openmoko |
| 12:28.59 | Zurga | hey i was planning to buy a neo freerunner, but i was wondering: in my country they support 900 aswell as 1800 band. So would it make any difference if i bought the 850 or 900 version? |
| 12:29.06 | raster | its kind of a "it comes with the territory" |
| 12:29.10 | lindi- | i have two spare nokia communicator 9110s with qwerty keyboard :) |
| 12:29.15 | raster | hard to work on software for a phone when.. you dont even have one |
| 12:29.15 | leinir | i'll have to try and convince my uni that they need to get a ten-pack for research use... |
| 12:29.16 | Ainulindale | Oh by the way raster yesterday I wondered if it was really necessary to have a debug board |
| 12:29.22 | Wander_w | raster: then stop chatting here and make us some cool software! :P |
| 12:29.26 | leinir | lindi-: Those are quite nice pieces of kit :) |
| 12:29.28 | raster | Ainulindale: i never use it |
| 12:29.28 | Ainulindale | But as I think I won't be able to work on kernel stuff |
| 12:29.31 | raster | Ainulindale: ever. |
| 12:29.33 | Ainulindale | Oh |
| 12:29.39 | Ainulindale | What's its use then ? |
| 12:29.39 | raster | Ainulindale: as i never fuck with my uboot |
| 12:29.43 | raster | i never reflash it |
| 12:29.44 | Ainulindale | Ok :-) |
| 12:29.47 | raster | i leave it the fuck alone |
| 12:29.53 | Ainulindale | Reflash your uboot or reflash your image ? |
| 12:29.58 | raster | that ways i always have a working uboot i can reflahs kernel and rootfsfrom |
| 12:30.03 | Scythe|Bed | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE <-- I'm watching this video here and the interface is slow as a butt, a fast interface is a *must* for me, if I'm waiting for hardware I'm likely to rend said hardware into expensive grit |
| 12:30.05 | raster | i never reflash uboot |
| 12:30.06 | Ainulindale | Ok |
| 12:30.09 | HauDyr | Zurga, if 900 is supported then buy that model it can do 900/1800/1900 |
| 12:30.10 | raster | i only reflahs kernel + rootfs |
| 12:30.18 | Scythe|Bed | i'm using a four year old nokia 1100 at the moment because it's fast |
| 12:30.19 | Ainulindale | I thought it was more of a thing to use to debug at the kernel level |
| 12:30.22 | raster | i leave anythng below that well alone so i never need a debug board |
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| 12:30.28 | raster | frankly 99.9% of peolpe never need one |
| 12:30.32 | raster | u ONLY need it if:P |
| 12:30.45 | raster | 1. u are doing uboot and early hw bringup development |
| 12:31.02 | Ainulindale | I don't think I have the necessary skills to delve into kernel development or uboot or whatever too low |
| 12:31.06 | raster | 2. if u do nasty-arse kernel development where u wantto be able to pause/stop and debug the kernel and ram outside of the kernel |
| 12:31.21 | raster | and inspect why your kernel just mysteriously hangs solid or whateer |
| 12:31.28 | Wander_w | dang... I want to do nasty-arse kernel development :( |
| 12:31.28 | raster | u fdont NEED it for kernel dev |
| 12:31.31 | raster | but it helps |
| 12:31.39 | Ainulindale | I see, thanks for the answer |
| 12:31.44 | raster | its not a necessity really for 99.9% of people |
| 12:32.04 | raster | the debug board basically gives u jtag debug access |
| 12:32.18 | Ainulindale | I would gladly offer to you some home roasted coffee for answering my question but hey, you're too far away :-) |
| 12:32.18 | raster | in a very convenient and nice way |
| 12:32.26 | raster | i wish all devices had such a nice debug board |
| 12:32.28 | trickie | and it looks cool :) |
| 12:32.41 | raster | but in reality |
| 12:32.42 | raster | u wontneed it |
| 12:32.51 | raster | personally i leave my kernel the fuck alone |
| 12:33.00 | raster | i lik to just stick with screwing up userspace |
| 12:33.00 | Wander_w | hmm.. don't know how to do JTAG debugging anyway... so I guess the debug board would be wasted on me |
| 12:33.01 | Ainulindale | What I need right now in fact is a nice brush up on how to build a dbus server (for SHR) |
| 12:33.03 | raster | thats fun enough as-is |
| 12:33.04 | Ainulindale | Because I'm lost :-) |
| 12:33.06 | raster | and keeps me busy |
| 12:33.07 | raster | :) |
| 12:33.23 | raster | dbus server? |
| 12:33.30 | raster | or make a dbus hosted service? |
| 12:33.37 | raster | ie offer something like hal |
| 12:33.39 | raster | or networkmanager |
| 12:33.40 | raster | etc. |
| 12:33.42 | Ainulindale | I don't know dbus at all so it's something new for me |
| 12:33.45 | Ainulindale | So whatever you say |
| 12:33.49 | raster | hahahaha |
| 12:33.53 | raster | what do you WANT to do? |
| 12:34.10 | Ainulindale | For SHR we plan to do a wrapper for FSO primitives |
| 12:34.16 | Wander_w | I believe there is just one DBus server per system (system as in openmoko/pc/whatever) |
| 12:34.22 | raster | Ainulindale: what kind of wrapper? |
| 12:34.29 | Ainulindale | Entrypoint : phonekit primitives, wrapped to use fso |
| 12:34.32 | raster | u mean a library to handle talking dbus and just present a C api? |
| 12:34.46 | Ainulindale | In order to be able to use OM 2007.2 apps on FSO |
| 12:34.51 | raster | so instead of me sending my own dbus messages |
| 12:34.53 | raster | i simply call |
| 12:35.03 | raster | whateverlib_action_do(param, param2...); |
| 12:35.08 | raster | and it does the dbus goop for me? |
| 12:35.18 | raster | oooh |
| 12:35.21 | Ainulindale | In fact we're trying to find some information |
| 12:35.22 | raster | the old gtk apps |
| 12:35.24 | Ainulindale | Yep |
| 12:35.28 | raster | u just can have them do dbus calls thesmelves |
| 12:35.29 | Ainulindale | "old" :-) |
| 12:35.31 | raster | ]its not hard |
| 12:35.34 | Ainulindale | Yep it's not hard |
| 12:35.36 | Ainulindale | But |
| 12:35.46 | Ainulindale | We thought a nice and easy first step would be to do this wrapper |
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| 12:35.50 | raster | Om is sprouting dbus services like the plague |
| 12:35.55 | Ainulindale | With this kind of wrapper we could use each and every app |
| 12:36.00 | Ainulindale | Then port each app one by one |
| 12:36.34 | Ainulindale | I don't know if it's a good idea but if it's not, you should talk with us ;-) |
| 12:36.39 | raster | well beware |
| 12:36.40 | raster | it depends |
| 12:36.47 | raster | if u plan to tie the wrapper to glib |
| 12:36.48 | raster | its not hard |
| 12:36.52 | raster | if u dont |
| 12:36.55 | raster | it may not be worth it |
| 12:37.08 | Ainulindale | What do you mean by tie ? And why wouldn't it worh it ? |
| 12:37.08 | raster | if itsonly for the gtk apps.. |
| 12:37.11 | raster | then it doesnt matter |
| 12:37.23 | raster | u know what a mainloop is? |
| 12:37.26 | Ainulindale | raster: first step is doing a wrapper in order to be able to use both OM and ASU apps |
| 12:37.31 | Ainulindale | Yep |
| 12:37.51 | raster | ok |
| 12:37.54 | raster | glib has a mainloop |
| 12:37.57 | raster | qt has one |
| 12:37.59 | raster | efl has one |
| 12:38.05 | raster | they are separate |
| 12:38.11 | Ainulindale | So more power consumption ? |
| 12:38.17 | raster | if u make a lib u can tie it to a main loop |
| 12:38.18 | raster | no |
| 12:38.20 | raster | not more |
| 12:38.24 | raster | every apps has a mainloop |
| 12:38.28 | raster | some apps just do their own |
| 12:38.35 | raster | pretty much every network serverhas its own loop |
| 12:38.35 | Ainulindale | So I didn't understand what was your point :-) |
| 12:38.37 | raster | a select() thing |
| 12:38.46 | raster | the problem is |
| 12:38.51 | raster | if u want to tie an api to a mainloop |
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| 12:39.04 | raster | u will be using the mainloops timers, file descriptor handling and wakups |
| 12:39.07 | raster | callback system etc. |
| 12:39.17 | raster | so u require the app to use that mainloop to use the lib |
| 12:39.30 | raster | as mainloops are pretty much mututally-exclusive |
| 12:39.40 | raster | if u alreayd use another mainloop |
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| 12:39.46 | raster | u are sol |
| 12:39.52 | raster | nb |
| 12:39.58 | Ainulindale | Well it looks as if my definition of mainloop isn't the same as youyrs |
| 12:40.00 | Ainulindale | -y |
| 12:40.01 | raster | mainloops have nothnig to do with power consumption |
| 12:40.09 | raster | they basically organise the main flop of events in an app |
| 12:40.15 | raster | they sit and wait for a timeout of some sort |
| 12:40.24 | Ainulindale | Or a signal or anything |
| 12:40.25 | raster | or an event to com in (generally data coming down a file descriptor) |
| 12:40.40 | Ainulindale | I can't see your point |
| 12:40.47 | Ainulindale | If, for example |
| 12:40.50 | raster | every app pretty much needs one unless u want to sit in a contiuall "run using 100% cpu and always poll for stuff" mode |
| 12:40.55 | raster | whihc actually a lot of games do |
| 12:40.58 | Ainulindale | My UI X waits for a user event in order to, say, call a number |
| 12:40.59 | raster | and THAT chews power |
| 12:41.03 | raster | as u just sit andchew cpu all the time |
| 12:41.18 | Ainulindale | What's the problem with using a wrapper to do the "call" action ? |
| 12:41.22 | raster | so it depends how u do the wrapper |
| 12:41.29 | raster | as it may tie itself toa given mainloop |
| 12:41.32 | raster | eg there is edbus |
| 12:41.43 | raster | that is a wrapper to bind libdbus and ecore's mainloop |
| 12:41.53 | raster | theres a libgdbus that ties libdbus and glib together |
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| 12:42.02 | raster | i am sure others exist too |
| 12:42.12 | raster | the idea is so u can call a dbus call and notBLOCK and wait for a reply |
| 12:42.14 | Ainulindale | Hmmm seriously I can't see what you're saying, I thought dbus could be called within pretty much everything without bothering about it |
| 12:42.19 | raster | u can go on processing doing other things |
| 12:42.27 | raster | and later on the rply comes in asyncronously |
| 12:42.30 | raster | and u handle it then |
| 12:42.37 | raster | and yes |
| 12:42.40 | raster | dbus can be called |
| 12:42.51 | raster | the problem is how do u marshall the replies back to the calling code? |
| 12:42.55 | raster | do u use callbacks? |
| 12:43.02 | raster | how do you call them? |
| 12:43.07 | raster | how do u know when the rply has come in |
| 12:43.08 | Ainulindale | We intended to act as if we were the old libs of OM 2007.2 |
| 12:43.10 | raster | or a dbus signal? |
| 12:43.17 | Ainulindale | But instead, replacing the primitive to call FSO new libs |
| 12:43.21 | Ainulindale | +s |
| 12:43.23 | raster | my suggestons |
| 12:43.25 | raster | before doing that |
| 12:43.32 | raster | do some dbus development |
| 12:43.32 | Ainulindale | In order to be able not to change anything in the original app |
| 12:43.38 | raster | just write stuff that uses dbus |
| 12:43.42 | raster | for fun |
| 12:43.44 | raster | or games |
| 12:43.46 | raster | learn how it works |
| 12:43.54 | Ainulindale | That's what I was trying to do ;-) |
| 12:43.55 | raster | then u'll be in a good position to do this |
| 12:43.55 | raster | :) |
| 12:44.15 | ecraven | asu will be qt, not gnome, right? |
| 12:44.15 | Ainulindale | But if we're not mistaken for SHR |
| 12:45.04 | Ainulindale | If we manage to present a wrapper with the same primitives than old OM, and instead of calling inner OM libs, we call FSO's, it shouldn't need that much development |
| 12:45.05 | ebbe | ecraven: ASU is based on qt, but can run gtk programmes as well |
| 12:45.09 | Ainulindale | Just the mentioned wrapper |
| 12:45.22 | ecraven | does anyone have ASU running on an FR? |
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| 12:45.54 | ebbe | ecraven: I've tried it on gta01 |
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| 12:49.10 | raster | ebbe: please read the mailing lists |
| 12:49.14 | raster | all this "based on qt" |
| 12:49.19 | raster | "based on gnome" stuff |
| 12:49.34 | Scythe|Bed | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ |
| 12:49.35 | raster | is a fundamental misunderstanding of software and unix/linux/x11 |
| 12:49.42 | Scythe|Bed | one of these would go great with a freerunner |
| 12:49.46 | raster | its ALL based on x11 |
| 12:49.47 | raster | all of it |
| 12:49.49 | Scythe|Bed | provided drivers exist |
| 12:49.49 | raster | so everything orks |
| 12:49.56 | raster | i've been over this on email |
| 12:50.00 | Scythe|Bed | though I assume there's a bluetooth keyboard standard |
| 12:50.20 | raster | yay |
| 12:50.23 | raster | more pocket lint |
| 12:50.29 | ebbe | raster: Yes, okay. It's based on the qtopia distribution then? |
| 12:50.42 | raster | no |
| 12:50.53 | raster | it contains qt |
| 12:50.56 | raster | it co9ntains gtk |
| 12:50.59 | raster | it contains efl |
| 12:51.12 | raster | it contains an xserver and runs it by default |
| 12:51.24 | raster | it runs a window manager under x (like pretty much all x environments do) |
| 12:51.31 | raster | ]its just like your desktop |
| 12:51.31 | ebbe | But didn't they sort of start with qtopia? |
| 12:51.34 | raster | u can run firefox |
| 12:51.36 | raster | and konqueror |
| 12:51.39 | ebbe | I know |
| 12:51.46 | raster | and u can run evolution |
| 12:51.49 | raster | no it didnt |
| 12:51.54 | raster | qtopia was ported back to x11 |
| 12:52.02 | raster | so it isnt "its own qt only world" |
| 12:52.40 | ebbe | Well, I didn't really say that, did I? |
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| 12:53.05 | fredrin | lol, qt vs gtk vs elf vs curses vs cli vs tk |
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| 12:53.59 | Scythe|Bed | so how snappy is the default openmoko interface? |
| 12:53.59 | leinir | fredrin: Indeed - when there's not actually any vs to start with :) |
| 12:54.12 | fredrin | leinir: true |
| 12:54.14 | CVirus | mohamed: hey ma |
| 12:54.15 | CVirus | man* |
| 12:54.46 | mohamed | CVirus: hello :) |
| 12:54.53 | mohamed | CVirus: how are you ? |
| 12:54.59 | CVirus | mohamed: not bad .. you ? |
| 12:55.02 | CVirus | mohamed: got your FR yet ? |
| 12:55.15 | mohamed | CVirus: fine, FR ? |
| 12:55.22 | CVirus | FreeRunner |
| 12:55.25 | Scythe|Bed | i imagine someone'll port android to the freerunner in a few minutes |
| 12:55.46 | CVirus | fuck Android |
| 12:55.48 | CVirus | :-) |
| 12:55.53 | mohamed | CVirus: ah, no, but I think it will take the same amount of time as neo 1973 |
| 12:55.55 | ebbe | Scythe|Bed: How? It isn't open source |
| 12:56.11 | Scythe|Bed | i was under the impression that it was |
| 12:56.18 | Scythe|Bed | at least partially |
| 12:56.19 | ebbe | The SDK is |
| 12:56.21 | ecraven | is there an opkg repository that has scummvm?? |
| 12:56.37 | mohamed | CVirus: heard about JNode ? |
| 12:56.43 | ebbe | ecraven: Yes |
| 12:56.50 | CVirus | mohamed: ope |
| 12:57.04 | CVirus | nope* |
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| 12:57.41 | ebbe | ecraven: But can't find it right now.. Search the wiki for different repositories |
| 12:58.06 | mohamed | CVirus: http://www.jnode.org/node/774 a Java OS that works on x86, but I'll try to port it on Neo 1973 |
| 12:58.53 | raster | oh god |
| 12:58.54 | raster | java os |
| 12:58.55 | raster | help |
| 12:58.57 | raster | runs |
| 12:59.08 | CVirus | I think I'm good at java and can help with that uselessness |
| 12:59.34 | KenSentMe | I get this error when running gconftool: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25919/ Should i put dbus-launch in front? I did that without errors, but my interface didnt change either |
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| 13:02.06 | ebbe | KenSentMe: It's because you are running it through ssh. It must be from the device |
| 13:02.17 | ebbe | Or at least I don't know how else to do it |
| 13:02.56 | KenSentMe | ebbe, ah, ok. I tried that, but i can't enter a / . It's not on the numeric keyboard. Is there a qwerty keyboard as well? |
| 13:03.13 | ebbe | Yes, somewhere.. |
| 13:03.34 | ebbe | I usually make a shell-script i execute |
| 13:04.26 | ebbe | Or use my bluetooth-keyboard ;D |
| 13:05.00 | Scythe|Bed | can someone that's actually used a freerunner answer me this: how quick is the interface in its current form? |
| 13:05.19 | Scythe|Bed | and also, does the sms writing have predictive text? or a qwerty keyboard? |
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| 13:05.37 | Danker | will try to build openmoko for qemu... |
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| 13:08.08 | bobkare | Scythe|Bed: at least for the latest openmoko build (not qtopia or any of the other ones) there is no predictive text and there isn't (or at least I haven't found) any other keyboard |
| 13:08.34 | bobkare | Scythe|Bed: the interface is pretty fast, program launches can take some time |
| 13:08.58 | leinir | Well, predictive text with the qwerty input also seems a little funny :) |
| 13:09.09 | Scythe|Bed | i pick up the phone, how long does it take to get to a point at which I can write an sms, assuming 100% operator efficiency |
| 13:09.53 | LoneTech | Dasher provides an interesting variant of predictive input. amd64 build uses too much memory, but that's probably because of the large pointers. |
| 13:10.08 | bobkare | Scythe|Bed: you mean included booting it up? you don't want to know... :P |
| 13:10.16 | leinir | Yes, i'm very interested in Dasher :) |
| 13:10.19 | Scythe|Bed | not including boot |
| 13:10.20 | SpeedEvil | dasher requires _way_ too many resources though - but not CPU. |
| 13:10.48 | SpeedEvil | It requires the user to stare at it constantly, and be inputting constantly, and a large aount of screen. |
| 13:10.59 | leinir | Well, i can live with that :) |
| 13:11.01 | raster | dasher is useless |
| 13:11.08 | SpeedEvil | Dasher is not useless. |
| 13:11.12 | raster | its a "cool bizarre idea" |
| 13:11.18 | SpeedEvil | Dasher is useless - largely for this app. |
| 13:11.21 | raster | but in practical terms its useless |
| 13:11.23 | LoneTech | I wouldn't say useless, I'd say a solution to a different problem |
| 13:11.29 | raster | screeen space usage |
| 13:11.32 | raster | the reasons u mentioned |
| 13:11.37 | LoneTech | for people whose only option is an eyetracker, it's useful |
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| 13:11.47 | leinir | raster: Well, for what it was designed, yes, it's useful - it's very easy to use for people who... yeah, what LoneTech said ;) |
| 13:11.51 | raster | the learning curve (compared to a corrective qwerty keyboard - dasher relies on dictionary correction/augmentation anyway) |
| 13:11.53 | raster | etc. |
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| 13:12.05 | bobkare | Scythe|Bed: i haven't timed it or anything but it would be pretty fast, especially as long as you never close the sms app |
| 13:12.12 | raster | LoneTech: if the freerunner had an eyetracker... it might be useful |
| 13:12.12 | raster | :) |
| 13:12.22 | Pyrasi | morning all |
| 13:12.26 | raster | but for a touchscreen input method on a 2.8" screen... |
| 13:12.27 | raster | no |
| 13:12.28 | raster | :) |
| 13:12.29 | HauDyr | morning |
| 13:12.42 | Pyrasi | are you talking about dasher? |
| 13:12.56 | LoneTech | I'd like to see something like quikwriting. It's positionable, fairly compact, so one could pop it up when you put the stylus in a text field |
| 13:13.11 | raster | ya |
| 13:13.16 | Pyrasi | i really liked quikwriting as well |
| 13:13.21 | Pyrasi | i think there is a project open for it |
| 13:13.50 | raster | right now qtopia's corrective keyboard style (and the one in asu that is just a mimick of that) is about the best i've used/seen |
| 13:13.52 | Pyrasi | not sure if anyone is still working on it...but it is on the project page |
| 13:13.55 | raster | its familiar (qwerty) |
| 13:13.59 | leinir | raster: Yeah, the predictive qwerty keyboard is very yummy :) |
| 13:14.00 | raster | simple (just tap on the key) |
| 13:14.16 | raster | can handle a lot of error - ie usable with fingers (given a good enough dictionary) |
| 13:14.17 | Ainulindale | but azerty's better :-p |
| 13:14.32 | LoneTech | essentially like T9 for qwerty, with fuzziness on which key you meant? |
| 13:14.37 | LoneTech | hasn't tried it |
| 13:14.38 | raster | requires no special learning to use beyond learning slide right is "space/next word" |
| 13:14.46 | raster | slide down == enter/return/newline |
| 13:14.54 | raster | slide up == change keyboard layour |
| 13:14.58 | raster | and slide left == backspace |
| 13:15.03 | Danker | Which one is better for opensource project hosting - code.google.com or sourceforge? |
| 13:15.12 | raster | LoneTech: yes. |
| 13:15.15 | LoneTech | thanks |
| 13:15.16 | raster | a bit like t9 |
| 13:15.22 | raster | but not 1 button cntains 3 or 4 chars |
| 13:15.26 | Danker | personaly thinks that google is better and more promising.... |
| 13:15.28 | raster | each char has a location |
| 13:15.37 | Pyrasi | does goggle use svn? |
| 13:15.42 | raster | but u assume any key within N pixels radius of where u press may also be a target |
| 13:15.52 | raster | with distance frm the press point decreasing probability |
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| 13:15.58 | raster | so its better than t9 |
| 13:16.04 | LoneTech | I get the concept |
| 13:16.06 | raster | as t9 has no probability deection ability |
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| 13:16.13 | raster | then combine with dictonary lookup |
| 13:16.22 | raster | and dictionary frequency tables |
| 13:16.31 | raster | (often used words vs less often used ones) |
| 13:16.34 | raster | and a corrective buffer |
| 13:16.41 | raster | and the ability to select from one of the corrections |
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| 13:16.53 | raster | (if the default one it suggests isnt what u wanted) |
| 13:16.59 | raster | and it works both as a stylus keyboard |
| 13:17.02 | raster | and a fingerone |
| 13:17.06 | raster | and its simple |
| 13:17.22 | Danker | Pyrasi: yes |
| 13:17.38 | LoneTech | yep, sounds quite good. I'll have to wait months to really try it though |
| 13:18.12 | leinir | Why so? :) |
| 13:18.32 | LoneTech | I'm not in the first batch of deliveries |
| 13:19.02 | leinir | Second batch? |
| 13:19.08 | LoneTech | with luck, maybe. |
| 13:19.27 | Pyrasi | oh...have they already shipped the first batch? |
| 13:19.32 | leinir | That's the 25th, and then ASU is ready for testing in the beginning of August, yeah? :) |
| 13:19.37 | leinir | Pyrasi: Well yes :) |
| 13:19.48 | leinir | Not following the community list i take it? ;) |
| 13:19.50 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * re3d9909d4673 10/otapi/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 13:19.50 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: OTAPI: document org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.{Get|Enable|Set}CallForwarding() |
| 13:19.50 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: move call identification API into .Network as well and document. |
| 13:19.59 | Pyrasi | we are still waiting on shipping confirmation for our 10 pack as well. |
| 13:20.17 | SpeedEvil | The fundamental problem with probability detection is that you can't use ti blind. |
| 13:20.28 | Pyrasi | haha...I'm actually reading back through the archives right now |
| 13:20.43 | raster | SpeedEvil: yup |
| 13:20.48 | Pyrasi | I've been busy with a racquetball injury the past few days >< |
| 13:20.49 | SpeedEvil | In that with t9, you can simply learn sequences, and use it blind |
| 13:20.55 | raster | SpeedEvil: but with any keyboard that small unless its physical buttons |
| 13:21.00 | raster | so u can tactily know what u press |
| 13:21.13 | raster | u cant do anything but be looking at it |
| 13:21.26 | SpeedEvil | raster: I disagree - it's quite possible to do 10 buttons on finger position. |
| 13:21.27 | raster | its a bi-product of no tactile feedback |
| 13:21.34 | raster | (no ability to feel where the buttons are) |
| 13:21.54 | ecraven | can anyone describe the way the accelerometers work to me? i get three values, x, y and z. what are they? |
| 13:22.02 | Scythe|Bed | ? |
| 13:22.11 | SpeedEvil | raster: yeah - we need a variable flexibility high resolution display with the ability to do nice tactile buttons under software control. |
| 13:22.12 | Scythe|Bed | Gs along that axis, i'd imagine |
| 13:22.17 | SpeedEvil | acra: 'down' |
| 13:22.20 | Scythe|Bed | sit it flat on a table and you'd see 0, 0, -1 |
| 13:22.24 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: the 'down axis' |
| 13:22.28 | raster | u could do slide direction ok-sih |
| 13:22.30 | raster | "blind" |
| 13:22.37 | raster | but at best u'd get 8 directiosn |
| 13:22.42 | raster | tat still only 8 buttons as such |
| 13:22.50 | raster | anything after that is a combination of buttons |
| 13:22.53 | raster | so doing it blind |
| 13:22.54 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: three numbers that add up to a vector of unit size. |
| 13:22.57 | ecraven | flat on the table i see: x: 18/36, y: -18/36, z: 936 |
| 13:22.58 | raster | u need to do several buttons in a row |
| 13:22.59 | Scythe|Bed | typing using motion control, high level of fail |
| 13:23.06 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: google openmoko acceleroeter fundamentals |
| 13:23.10 | raster | and either u are always needing to do several presses or strokes for 1 "key" |
| 13:23.15 | raster | or u speed it up with guessing |
| 13:23.21 | raster | then u need ot be paying attention toit |
| 13:23.23 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: they are measurements of 16 milligee |
| 13:23.31 | raster | imho i'll pay the price of needing to look at my screnand correct it |
| 13:23.45 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: that's actually scaled it looks like |
| 13:24.12 | ecraven | SpeedEvil: my main question is, is there a way to find out whether the neo is "landscape" or "portrait"? i'm guessing not, because i don't have any fixed reference |
| 13:24.43 | Pyrasi | you should be able to tell where the pull of gravity is on the accells and tell that way |
| 13:24.45 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: so you see an acceleration of - in your case - thirdroot(24^2+24^2+936^2) |
| 13:24.47 | Scythe|Bed | yep, compare which is bigger, your Y or Z |
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| 13:25.26 | Scythe|Bed | well, depends on how the openmoko's axes are aligned |
| 13:25.37 | Scythe|Bed | plural of axis? axes? |
| 13:25.42 | LoneTech | SpeedEvil: where did you get third root from? |
| 13:25.50 | ecraven | but the alignment is absolute (to the earth), not relative to me, is it? |
| 13:25.51 | SpeedEvil | LoneTech: I've just woken up |
| 13:25.56 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: no |
| 13:25.57 | LoneTech | good morning |
| 13:26.10 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: when it's stationary, you get the direction that down points relative tot he case |
| 13:26.25 | Scythe|Bedzor | <ecraven> flat on the table i see: x: 18/36, y: -18/36, z: 936 |
| 13:26.40 | Scythe|Bedzor | i'm guessing positive Z is out the back of the case |
| 13:26.52 | Scythe|Bedzor | -Z is normal to the screen |
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| 13:27.28 | ecraven | my point is, if i move around the neo, it doesn't know, so it can't switch to landscape |
| 13:27.40 | ecraven | so, if i pick it up, it can't know whether i want landscape or portrait |
| 13:27.47 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: tiw a weight to your neo on a string |
| 13:28.00 | HauDyr | SpeedEvil, what about when you rotate cant you that up? |
| 13:28.03 | SpeedEvil | acr: the string points in various directions according to which way you hold it. |
| 13:28.04 | Scythe|Bedzor | but it can tell which direction is down, the short edge or the long edge |
| 13:28.05 | ebbe | ecraven: What does it say when you hold it still in landscape and in portrait? |
| 13:28.10 | HauDyr | SpeedEvil, what about when you rotate cant you measure that? |
| 13:28.13 | LoneTech | ecraven: if you pick it up, unless you hold it perfectly level. it can see which way gravity pulls. |
| 13:28.23 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: the Z/Y/X report on the orientation of that string |
| 13:28.35 | SpeedEvil | LoneTech: it has three accels |
| 13:28.55 | SpeedEvil | You ignore the two accels - they are a silly idea. Average the x/y/z axes |
| 13:29.00 | Scythe|Bedzor | google "unit vector" and come back |
| 13:29.11 | Scythe|Bedzor | because i won't be here! |
| 13:29.12 | Scythe|Bedzor | tehehe |
| 13:29.14 | Scythe|Bedzor | goes to bed |
| 13:29.14 | ecraven | LoneTech: ah, so i can see the "tilt" |
| 13:29.24 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: with the unit stationary, yes |
| 13:29.36 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: you can't howwever measure rotation about the 'string' |
| 13:30.45 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: see "http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Technical:Accelerometer_Fundamentals |
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| 13:31.22 | SpeedEvil | wishes the best accels were a couple of orders of magnitude cheaper. |
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| 13:32.44 | Dave | hisses |
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| 13:33.35 | leinir | offers Dave pettings to calm him down? ;) |
| 13:33.55 | Dave | :D |
| 13:33.58 | Dave | purrs |
| 13:34.07 | Dave | =^_^= |
| 13:34.41 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5f96486d693a 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/const.py modems/abstract/mediator.py objects.py): ogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.{Set|Get}CallingIdentification |
| 13:35.06 | Dave | offers leinir doughnuts and crullers in return |
| 13:35.14 | kdubois | are the gps drivers functional? |
| 13:35.53 | leinir | pets Dave, and happily accepts the offered nommish things :) |
| 13:36.11 | Dave | =D |
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| 13:37.59 | SpeedEvil | kdubois: there are no drivers |
| 13:38.04 | SpeedEvil | kdubois: you read serial N?MEA |
| 13:38.07 | SpeedEvil | kdubois: that's it |
| 13:38.16 | SpeedEvil | kdubois: for Freerunner |
| 13:38.33 | kdubois | ohh, its hooked up to a serial bus? that seems odd |
| 13:38.48 | Danker | Maybe someone here is responsible for bugs in make process? |
| 13:38.57 | SpeedEvil | Danker: yes. |
| 13:38.59 | Danker | I have a fix for one when compilings |
| 13:39.10 | SpeedEvil | Danker: when you find the someone inducing the bugs, BURN THEM! |
| 13:39.12 | Danker | compiling for qemu |
| 13:39.13 | pyknite | hi... someone know a lib or something else to manage wifi (list ap,...) with c++ |
| 13:39.16 | SpeedEvil | Or at least submit patches. |
| 13:40.01 | pyknite | i search on the web, but i found nothing :( |
| 13:40.08 | Danker | I will report here.... :) |
| 13:40.10 | Danker | openmoko/flash.sh: line 156: kill: (-18843) - No such process |
| 13:40.10 | Danker | ( cd build/qemu && /sbin/mkdosfs -C -F 32 -v openmoko/openmoko-sd.image 500000 ) |
| 13:40.21 | Danker | In gentoo system mkdosfs is in /usr/sbin/ |
| 13:40.33 | Danker | Why just not set the PATH variable? |
| 13:40.47 | SpeedEvil | pyknite: iwlist is on there I thought |
| 13:41.19 | pyknite | SpeedEvil: I know iwlist.. but i need something that i can use in a c++ program (without call system() ) |
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| 13:41.45 | SpeedEvil | pyknite: so examine iwlist source |
| 13:41.57 | LoneTech | pyknite: dunno about libs, but the program that does that sort of work is wpa_supplicant. network-manager does higher level policy usually. |
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| 13:42.34 | pyknite | SpeedEvil: hum... a little complex for me :( |
| 13:42.51 | pyknite | LoneTech: sur? no lib? :( |
| 13:43.01 | Dave | Does the GTA02 have any temp sensors onboard? |
| 13:43.06 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: no |
| 13:43.12 | SpeedEvil | Dave: actually, maybe yes |
| 13:43.13 | Dave | Aw, alright :] |
| 13:43.19 | Dave | Eh? |
| 13:43.24 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if the smart battery has one |
| 13:43.27 | SpeedEvil | Dave: why? |
| 13:43.36 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster * r4515 10/developers/raster/: add raster dir |
| 13:43.37 | LoneTech | I expect the battery has a rudimentary sensor for safety, but wouldn't expect to be able to read its value. |
| 13:43.38 | Dave | Evil scheming and plotting! |
| 13:43.41 | Dave | >:) |
| 13:43.48 | Dave | Heh, yeah right. |
| 13:43.52 | SpeedEvil | LoneTech: the previous battery you could |
| 13:43.55 | Dave | I guess I could always add one. |
| 13:43.59 | raster | plots a scheme evilly |
| 13:44.00 | LoneTech | ok |
| 13:44.02 | Dave | Speedevil, sounds naughty. |
| 13:44.09 | Dave | Excellent, raster! |
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| 13:46.08 | SpeedEvil | raster: would this be a way to include a medium format 16MP camera in GTA03 schematic without anyone noticing? |
| 13:46.32 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r711370664e74 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin to 194 for GUI changed as requested by tick |
| 13:46.32 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1b1f024f4630 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [assassin-thumbnail] Add tick's assassin-thumbnail recipe |
| 13:46.33 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rcb6cc237a03e 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko feed] Add assassin-thumbnail to the openmoko feed |
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| 13:47.40 | ecraven | if i rotate the display, things break. |
| 13:48.02 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster * r4516 10/developers/raster/ompower/ (13 files in 2 dirs): add ompower... |
| 13:48.07 | raster | Dave: i'm always nortie! |
| 13:48.16 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: yes, they do. |
| 13:48.21 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rdf5566908205 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin to 194 for GUI changed as requested by tick |
| 13:48.22 | raster | SpeedEvil: 16mp! HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA |
| 13:48.22 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8fb3b77b0608 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [assassin-thumbnail] Add tick's assassin-thumbnail recipe |
| 13:48.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra58cb9499485 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko feed] Add assassin-thumbnail to the openmoko feed |
| 13:48.52 | SpeedEvil | notes that was not a comment that 16MP cameras will be $9 by then. |
| 13:49.19 | HauDyr | SpeedEvil, if its a hasselblad chip its ok |
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| 13:49.57 | ecraven | SpeedEvil: why ;) |
| 13:49.59 | Scythe|Bedzor | ponders putting off buying a freerunner until rev 3 of the hardware |
| 13:50.10 | ecraven | mainly, why does the touchscreen not work correctly any longer? |
| 13:50.17 | ecraven | the rest seems mostly ok |
| 13:50.23 | Ainulindale | On qemu ? |
| 13:50.27 | HauDyr | Scythe|Bedzor, if you can wait 1/2 - 1 year then ok |
| 13:50.41 | ecraven | the hardware seems ok so far |
| 13:50.49 | ecraven | apart from gps problems |
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| 13:50.56 | Ainulindale | Scythe|Bedzor: this is more a problem of software than hardware |
| 13:51.06 | Scythe|Bedzor | i'm in no hurry for a newphone, my old nokia 1100 is humming along just dandy |
| 13:51.11 | bobkare | Heh, I'd like to see anything with a medium format lens introduced as a "phone" |
| 13:51.42 | Dave | Ainulindale :p |
| 13:51.59 | Ainulindale | Dave: Did I say something funny ? :-) |
| 13:52.04 | HauDyr | Scythe|Bedzor, if you wait for a nokia to break then you will wait for a LOONG time :-) |
| 13:52.10 | SpeedEvil | bobkare: to be serious for a moment - I'd like a proper open-source camera. |
| 13:52.11 | opendeep | Any body using python to develop applications in moko? |
| 13:52.19 | Dave | Of course! |
| 13:52.23 | ecraven | opendeep: i played around with one ;) |
| 13:52.23 | Dave | Speedevil in particular :D |
| 13:52.28 | Dave | moko moko moko |
| 13:52.31 | SpeedEvil | opendeep: search the wiki for python |
| 13:52.37 | Dave | hisses at ecraven |
| 13:52.52 | ecraven | works nice, i modified the led/wireless/accelerometer application |
| 13:52.53 | bobkare | SpeedEvil: Yeah, that would be cool |
| 13:53.02 | Ainulindale | Ok guys, who took Dave's pills ? |
| 13:53.10 | SpeedEvil | The frog pills? |
| 13:53.16 | Ainulindale | :-) |
| 13:53.27 | Dave | Pills? |
| 13:53.30 | Ainulindale | SpeedEvil: You read too much pratchett |
| 13:53.31 | Tuju | btw, pulster webshop doesn't work with KDE konqueror |
| 13:53.33 | SpeedEvil | The dried frog pills. |
| 13:53.38 | Dave | throws doughnuts at Ainulindale |
| 13:53.45 | Ainulindale | Good for me I'm hungry |
| 13:53.50 | Dave | :D |
| 13:53.52 | HauDyr | Bursur!! |
| 13:53.56 | Dave | Everybody wins! |
| 13:53.58 | Ainulindale | And as I clean my espresso machine, no coffee to drink right now |
| 13:54.02 | Ainulindale | So no food |
| 13:54.15 | bobkare | SpeedEvil: Btw I'm going to play with tethered shooting like thing with gphoto2 when I get my host-mode-capable y-cable |
| 13:54.34 | Dave | NoFood4U! |
| 13:54.38 | SpeedEvil | bobkare: I'm currently making a camera that I hope I can add bluetooth to. |
| 13:55.15 | Dave | Sweet! |
| 13:55.23 | bobkare | SpeedEvil: Cool, but something tells me you won't be competing with my Nikon D40 with a couple of lenses :) |
| 13:55.29 | SpeedEvil | bobkare: only a couple of MP though - it's aimed at being really tiny and robust. |
| 13:55.29 | Dave | Oh, that reminds me, I need to pick up a cute Bluetooth keyboard. |
| 13:55.36 | Dave | bobkare :P |
| 13:55.51 | Dave | sssh |
| 13:56.07 | SpeedEvil | bobkare: you drop it down the stairs, and you think "Oh bugger, I'm going to have to walk down and get it", not "Oh Noes!" |
| 13:56.25 | bobkare | Cool |
| 13:56.35 | Wander_w | with AA baterries? |
| 13:56.39 | SpeedEvil | I'm betting you won't do that with the D40. |
| 13:56.54 | SpeedEvil | Wander_w: no - it's about the size of an 2/3C battery |
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| 13:57.03 | bobkare | Though mine is insured so it's at least only "Oh bugger, will have to go to the shop to replace it" |
| 13:57.03 | SpeedEvil | Wander_w: maybe a bit thinner |
| 13:57.25 | cozub | I've got a little off-topic question, but hearing BT here... I'm a bluetooth noob. Should I watch out when buying a USB BT dongle for my PC, or would just about anything work well under linux? |
| 13:58.01 | Wander_w | SpeedEvil: 2/3C batteries > AA battery... so an AA battery should fit? |
| 13:58.04 | Wander_w | cozub: just about anything I've tried works |
| 13:58.09 | cozub | Wander_w: thX |
| 13:58.19 | cozub | I plan to finally play with BT when my Free Runner arrives :) |
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| 13:58.43 | Dave | Aftermarket Moko Modifications! |
| 13:59.05 | SpeedEvil | Wander_w: no - the total size is about 15*20*30mm |
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| 13:59.50 | Wander_w | SpeedEvil: cool, that's pretty tiny |
| 14:00.08 | Wander_w | SpeedEvil: with what do you make it, can I buy one? |
| 14:00.23 | SpeedEvil | Wander_w: various sorts of cheese. |
| 14:00.25 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all, anyone have about 100kb online diskspace, would be uber-awesome if someone could host my ipk for a while until my unixpod account comes back online |
| 14:00.36 | SpeedEvil | Wander_w: and it's not built yet. I do plan on selling them. |
| 14:01.02 | Aleoi | is there any command in the MokoMakeFile, which can download all sources into my local machine before compiling? |
| 14:01.03 | ecraven | how can i write to the text field in the upper left corner (where it says "registering...") from python? |
| 14:01.33 | Wander_w | SpeedEvil: hmm.. I do not want a camera made out of cheese |
| 14:02.01 | Wander_w | Sup3rkiddo: what's an ipk? |
| 14:02.05 | Dave | oh snaps |
| 14:02.05 | Aleoi | downloading is really time consuming due to my poor network~ |
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| 14:02.11 | Dave | Wander, a package. |
| 14:02.20 | bobkare | SpeedEvil: have you decided on the imaging chip? if so, how does it respond to high-contrast scenes? also rapidly changing light? |
| 14:02.30 | Wander_w | Sup3rkiddo: ok, what kind of package? |
| 14:02.33 | Sup3rkiddo | Wander_w, its the package format for opkg |
| 14:02.33 | Dave | ccd bbq? |
| 14:02.38 | raster | i want a camera made of lollipops |
| 14:02.49 | Sup3rkiddo | Wander_w, its a device daemon |
| 14:02.53 | Dave | haha |
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| 14:03.12 | Wander_w | Sup3rkiddo: I probably can put it on our website |
| 14:03.12 | Dave | My phone needs more NOs? |
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| 14:03.41 | Sup3rkiddo | Wander_w, cool, thanks.....shall i mail you the package, its pretty small |
| 14:04.16 | Danker | What is main difference between apachev2 and gplv3 licences? |
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| 14:04.18 | Wander_w | Sup3rkiddo: how often does it need updating? how much traffic will it generate? |
| 14:04.36 | Sup3rkiddo | Wander_w, i guess not much really.....its not firefox 4 :D |
| 14:04.47 | Dave | :D |
| 14:05.16 | Dave | Duke Nukem Forever? |
| 14:05.28 | Sup3rkiddo | Wander_w, anyway, i will ping you back in two hours or so....if my unixpod account comes back online by then, i can put it there...... |
| 14:06.09 | Wander_w | ...I'm probably in my car in two hours |
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| 14:06.52 | Wander_w | s/my car/one of my cars/ |
| 14:06.56 | Wander_w | :D |
| 14:06.57 | Dave | Superkiddo, what's up? |
| 14:07.14 | Dave | You need a package hosted for a bit? |
| 14:07.19 | maze | is the 'Freerunner' 1gen or 2gen openmoko? |
| 14:07.23 | Dave | Wander, nice english :p |
| 14:07.26 | Wander_w | 2gen |
| 14:07.31 | maze | ty |
| 14:07.35 | leinir | GTA02 == Freerunner |
| 14:07.40 | Wander_w | dave: Maar gelukkig is mijn nederlands beter |
| 14:07.53 | maze | sjonge jonge |
| 14:07.55 | leinir | Well... GTA02 v.6 == Freerunner |
| 14:08.00 | Dave | ja, goed :D |
| 14:08.25 | Dave | waar woon je? |
| 14:08.32 | Wander_w | Grolle |
| 14:08.40 | Dave | hehe :p |
| 14:08.56 | maze | so, no UMTS yet on the GTA02 |
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| 14:09.18 | Wander_w | maze: no, unfortunately not |
| 14:09.27 | Tuju | is there any public sales statistics for freerunner? |
| 14:09.30 | Dave | por Sup3rkiddo |
| 14:09.52 | maze | reckon it's high on everybody's wishlist (or maybe HSDPA?) |
| 14:10.04 | Wander_w | HSDPA == 3g |
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| 14:10.14 | maze | right |
| 14:10.43 | Wander_w | oh wait, you were talking about UMTS :D |
| 14:10.52 | maze | yes |
| 14:11.05 | Wander_w | my bad :P |
| 14:11.17 | maze | looking for a new phone, but I don't want to donate my money to the jobbs retirement funds |
| 14:11.33 | ankhi | hey...just wanted to find out from someone who has the freerunner, how is the texting on the touchscreen? |
| 14:11.33 | maze | so openmoko looks good :) |
| 14:11.43 | ecraven | in openmoko-browser2, how do i type text into a field? |
| 14:12.29 | Dave | rifk :x |
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| 14:14.58 | Guilt | you know what |
| 14:14.58 | Guilt | i am so pissed off |
| 14:15.09 | Guilt | it apparently looks like the customs document sent to IDA systems has a problem or so |
| 14:15.16 | Guilt | and they havent recieved the mobies |
| 14:15.22 | Dave | Terrorism! |
| 14:15.23 | Guilt | +l |
| 14:15.27 | Guilt | bastards |
| 14:15.31 | Dave | :P |
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| 14:15.48 | Guilt | well. anyway. the point being. WHY did they not send these things properly? |
| 14:16.01 | Guilt | and people in germany already have the freerunner |
| 14:16.04 | Guilt | and mine is a WEEK off. |
| 14:16.11 | Guilt | i need some compensation from openmoko for this |
| 14:16.14 | Guilt | it's their FAULT |
| 14:16.16 | Guilt | grrr... |
| 14:16.24 | Dave | Ze Reich, zey return! |
| 14:16.31 | raster | it may or may no9t be |
| 14:16.37 | raster | customs can just be fairly arbitrary |
| 14:16.46 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.55 | Wander_w | hey.. this is so cool! My friend who works at customs gave me a free moko!! |
| 14:16.58 | raster | could i tbe the destination address you supplied is wrong? |
| 14:17.02 | raster | u need to find out what the problem is |
| 14:17.05 | Guilt | because i asked the distributor. |
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| 14:17.25 | Dave | and they said they were terrorists? |
| 14:17.31 | Guilt | the distributor HAS NOT is not able to get them from the air authorities |
| 14:17.48 | Dave | Of course not, until they're done with them :P |
| 14:17.50 | Guilt | gr. i meant. has not been able to |
| 14:17.50 | raster | and why? |
| 14:17.54 | Dave | touching them, and whatnot :P |
| 14:18.12 | Guilt | i swear. if my packet came opened, i'd ask for a day 1 refund |
| 14:18.25 | raster | dude |
| 14:18.27 | raster | its customs |
| 14:18.31 | Guilt | so |
| 14:18.35 | raster | they are allowed to open anything they damn well like |
| 14:18.36 | Guilt | they cant open every damn packet |
| 14:18.39 | raster | and nothing u can do about it |
| 14:18.40 | raster | or OM |
| 14:18.46 | Guilt | yeah. so i'm going to give it back to OM |
| 14:18.48 | raster | they are allowed to do random inspections |
| 14:18.51 | raster | or inspect 100% of all packages |
| 14:18.55 | raster | dont blame om |
| 14:19.01 | raster | blame your own countries customs officials and laws |
| 14:19.09 | raster | they CAN open every damn packet |
| 14:19.09 | Guilt | yeah. but they are bastards too |
| 14:19.13 | raster | if they so want to |
| 14:19.16 | raster | they are allowed to |
| 14:19.20 | Ainulindale | Errr I think you're going a bit too far Guilt |
| 14:19.28 | Guilt | but thats not right. they havent cleared it because they didnt recieve their documents |
| 14:19.30 | Ainulindale | Same thing in France, customs can open every package |
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| 14:19.41 | Guilt | if they had recieved it from wherever the OM shipped from |
| 14:19.45 | Guilt | they wouldnt do this |
| 14:19.55 | Guilt | you have to declare when u ship, isnt that right |
| 14:20.04 | raster | u can declare all u want |
| 14:20.07 | Ainulindale | And I strongly doubt that you would be the only one with this problem if it was OM's fault |
| 14:20.10 | raster | but u are still subejct to search |
| 14:20.12 | raster | if cfstoms wants to |
| 14:20.26 | raster | declaring is simpy a way to possibly expedite thins |
| 14:20.30 | raster | do u travel much Guilt? |
| 14:20.34 | Guilt | oh. this is so great. ;p |
| 14:20.37 | raster | like overseas? |
| 14:20.38 | Wander_w | maybe you are on the customs black list |
| 14:20.43 | Guilt | raster: why do you ask? |
| 14:20.46 | Wander_w | (these lists do exists) |
| 14:20.51 | Guilt | no, but i've recieved lots of things on time. |
| 14:20.51 | raster | i find myself going through customs several times a month |
| 14:20.57 | raster | i know about customs laws |
| 14:21.00 | Sup3rkiddo | Guilt, Ola... |
| 14:21.08 | Guilt | ola Sup3rkiddo :-) |
| 14:21.10 | raster | the same law applies if coming in person or being shipped unacoompanied |
| 14:21.11 | Sup3rkiddo | Guilt, i hope you remember moi |
| 14:21.17 | raster | in tersm of declarng and searching |
| 14:21.20 | Guilt | yeah. how |
| 14:21.24 | Guilt | 's it going |
| 14:21.35 | raster | u can go to the "nothgin to delcare" line |
| 14:21.39 | raster | and most of the time u just walk thru |
| 14:21.40 | raster | BUt |
| 14:21.42 | Guilt | raster: sure. but this is just too much. and i know those bastards want some kinda' bribe |
| 14:21.44 | raster | somtiems they will search u |
| 14:21.49 | raster | because they feel like it |
| 14:21.51 | raster | random search |
| 14:21.54 | Sup3rkiddo | Guilt, great....IDASystems resell Freerunner in India fyi |
| 14:21.55 | raster | your hair looks funny |
| 14:21.56 | raster | who knows |
| 14:21.57 | Ainulindale | Guilt: which country do you live in ? |
| 14:22.00 | raster | but u cant do a thing about it |
| 14:22.15 | Guilt | Sup3rkiddo: i know. that's exactly what i was saying |
| 14:22.27 | Guilt | IDA systems can NOT get the phones from the customs department in Jaipur |
| 14:22.36 | Sup3rkiddo | Guilt, oh ok, missed the scrollback |
| 14:22.39 | raster | ooh india |
| 14:22.40 | Sup3rkiddo | Guilt, ouch |
| 14:22.43 | raster | even more fun |
| 14:22.56 | Guilt | i just spoke to Zoheb. it seems apparently they have mentioned it as just 'GPS' |
| 14:23.00 | raster | i have heard troies of peole shippng thngs to some countries |
| 14:23.00 | raster | like brazil |
| 14:23.03 | Ainulindale | Sucks to live in India and like the freerunner it seems :-) |
| 14:23.07 | raster | where cusotms officials just halt a shipment |
| 14:23.10 | Sup3rkiddo | raster, actually i got my device without a cinch...three days from Hannover |
| 14:23.12 | raster | even though its 100% legitamate |
| 14:23.15 | raster | they are moving to the country |
| 14:23.17 | Guilt | i meant 'GSM' and they want more information than just that |
| 14:23.21 | raster | and they donot have to pay import duties |
| 14:23.27 | Guilt | Ainulindale: yes. |
| 14:23.27 | raster | according to the law |
| 14:23.29 | Sup3rkiddo | but might get screwed up if its in bulk |
| 14:23.29 | raster | but the official just decides that all items are new |
| 14:23.31 | raster | not used |
| 14:23.45 | raster | and holds the shipment until they get a bribe |
| 14:23.47 | Guilt | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.50 | raster | or the cusotms fees are paid |
| 14:24.00 | raster | whihc were like $10k in fees |
| 14:24.05 | raster | so the person had to hire a lawyer |
| 14:24.07 | raster | and fight in court |
| 14:24.10 | raster | it took 6 months |
| 14:24.12 | Ainulindale | raster: so because the customs want a bribe you think it's OM's fault ? |
| 14:24.17 | Ainulindale | ahrem |
| 14:24.19 | raster | cost $20k in lawyerws fees |
| 14:24.20 | Guilt | if it had just come to bangalore and they sent it by road, it would have reached jaipur by now. |
| 14:24.22 | Ainulindale | s/raster/Guilt/ |
| 14:24.28 | raster | but they got their shipment released |
| 14:24.41 | raster | but the fact remains that customs officials are almost with "absolute power" |
| 14:24.41 | Guilt | Ainulindale: i'm not talking about the bribe. but apparently the documents werent good enough |
| 14:24.47 | raster | they can do whatever they like |
| 14:24.57 | raster | regardless fo laws and regulations and forms |
| 14:25.11 | raster | and u have to go through an expensivecourt battle to change anything |
| 14:25.13 | raster | if u are lucky... |
| 14:25.14 | Sup3rkiddo | i have heard horror stories from my friends whose shipment gets fscked by the customs |
| 14:25.31 | Guilt | those bastards. hate them. Arghh |
| 14:25.46 | Sup3rkiddo | (especially alcohol :) ) |
| 14:25.53 | Xaos | gotta luv the gubmint eh? |
| 14:26.03 | Guilt | they already make a lot of money in bribe. and when i get something with decent hard earned money thats when they decide to fsck me. |
| 14:26.27 | Guilt | and they say documents arent right arent good enough |
| 14:26.38 | Guilt | a typical lawsuit in india will take 5-10 years |
| 14:26.46 | Guilt | and there is no saying if the case would be dropped at all |
| 14:27.02 | Sup3rkiddo | =( |
| 14:27.09 | Guilt | ;p even the consumer court sucks. \ |
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| 14:27.53 | Guilt | who is in charge of sending it to India, anyway? |
| 14:28.08 | Guilt | from OM, I mean. |
| 14:30.21 | Sup3rkiddo | Guilt, are the entire shipment to India stuck at the customs |
| 14:30.27 | Guilt | YES |
| 14:30.39 | Guilt | all 50 of them |
| 14:31.12 | Sup3rkiddo | Guilt, argh :S |
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| 14:31.43 | Guilt | you know. if it's not cleared, they might ask IDA to pay a fine. if IDA refuses, it will go back to shipper or get confiscated by the customs |
| 14:31.48 | Guilt | then my money is GONE. |
| 14:31.52 | Guilt | i'm suing then. |
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| 14:32.23 | Xaos | Sue Customs...not OM...sheesh...can't you see what the real issue is? It's corrupt government officials |
| 14:32.30 | Sup3rkiddo | Guilt, there maybe buyers apart from you, join up together |
| 14:32.56 | Xaos | Class Action Lawsuit against the government officials involved |
| 14:33.08 | Xaos | only way to stop government corruption is to attack it directly |
| 14:33.13 | Guilt | too bad. some are from Russia, Pakistan ... |
| 14:33.29 | Guilt | Xaos: the only person losing money would be us. |
| 14:33.36 | Guilt | not the government. not the customs officials |
| 14:33.50 | Guilt | and time. we'd have no hope of getting it back |
| 14:34.06 | Guilt | while the whole world is having a freerunner, we'd be in the stone ages. |
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| 14:34.39 | Guilt | Zoheb told me initially he'd get it on the 3rd |
| 14:34.45 | Guilt | it's already the 8th now. |
| 14:34.58 | Guilt | and now he says he'll get it tomorrow. like again. |
| 14:34.58 | Xaos | I'm just saying that if you don't like that situation, then you (and only you) can fix it. Attacking OM is not going to solve it for you. |
| 14:35.18 | Guilt | how do i fix it? smuggle openmoko into India? is that what you're telling me? |
| 14:35.24 | Xaos | Do you really believe that the "paperwork wasn't in order" or do you really believe that you have corrupt government officials? |
| 14:35.26 | Guilt | or travel to germany and bring it back personally? |
| 14:35.56 | Guilt | I want to find out WHO in Openmoko shipped it, and ask them if they thought the paperwork was in order. |
| 14:36.15 | Xaos | I work for a company which is about half Indian (if not more). I know all about Indian customs and how corrupt it is. |
| 14:36.20 | Guilt | so if anyone knows a name, tell me. I will email them. |
| 14:36.36 | Guilt | Xaos: i know how corrupt these guys are. |
| 14:36.39 | Xaos | Of course they thought it was in order...would YOU send something out that YOU didn't THINK was in order? |
| 14:37.26 | Guilt | no. but i wouldnt know if it was or wasnt... |
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| 14:40.08 | Xaos | but you wanted to "ask them if they thought the paperwork was in order"...I'm assuming by your answer that you want to know if they KNEW the paperwork was in order |
| 14:40.10 | Guilt | IDA is in contact with Steve |
| 14:40.14 | Guilt | i just asked Zoheb now. |
| 14:40.18 | Guilt | he told me this |
| 14:40.30 | Guilt | that the papers that came with it just said 'GSM' and not 'Mobile Phone' |
| 14:40.56 | Guilt | so he's trying to convince them that it is the SAME thing |
| 14:41.17 | Guilt | Xaos: i need steve or somebody to call up these officials and tell them that. |
| 14:41.22 | Xaos | ok...what is a 'GSM' if it's not a 'Mobile Phone'? Maybe it's a Guru Sabotage Mechanism |
| 14:42.02 | Guilt | look. i don't know if it's a Grenade Shooting Machine or something else |
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| 14:42.14 | Guilt | but apparently the officials need to be told it's a mobile phone |
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| 14:43.12 | Guilt | i asked Zoheb if officials were trying to ask for a bribe and he said if it were so he'd have settled it. but i told him not to, and i would speak with openmoko people and sort this out |
| 14:43.34 | Guilt | so i want this sorted the legal way. openmoko better do something here. |
| 14:44.16 | Guilt | i know they dont intend any harm and are good people. i'm only asking for help. |
| 14:44.27 | Guilt | any OM officials here? |
| 14:48.09 | Guilt | jOERG_rw: raster: roh: ping |
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| 14:52.41 | Guilt | emailed steve. |
| 14:52.49 | Guilt | heck. let's all hope for the best, fellas |
| 14:54.37 | kdubois | any news if the shipments left california yet for us US people? |
| 14:55.18 | Xaos | I haven't heard anything about my order leaving CA yet...order in the low 1200's |
| 14:56.04 | Guilt | this is exactly what should be done: http://indiacustoms.blogspot.com/2008/01/registering-complaint-vigilance.html |
| 14:56.25 | kdubois | i'm 1214, so i think our orders are on the same boat (or truck) :P |
| 14:56.50 | Guilt | couple of days or the PMO will hear |
| 14:57.03 | Dave | Eh? |
| 14:57.08 | Dave | haha India |
| 14:57.11 | Xaos | kdubois...probably...your's is a little ahead of mine, but should go out at same time |
| 14:57.11 | Ainulindale | My order is currently in the french customs |
| 14:57.18 | Ainulindale | Hope it will be available tomorrow |
| 14:57.33 | Guilt | Dave: haha ;p why can't the rest of the world be that corrupt |
| 14:57.38 | Guilt | maybe the mailman will miss your mails |
| 14:57.47 | Dave | TERRORISM. |
| 14:57.48 | Guilt | or maybe the doggie chased him away |
| 14:57.54 | Dave | WOOF WOOF |
| 14:57.54 | Guilt | yeah, right :p |
| 14:58.15 | Guilt | it's all funny when it happens to the other guy |
| 14:58.21 | Guilt | it's not funny at all when you're here |
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| 14:58.41 | kdubois | Xaos: at least we dont have interstate customs :P constitution ftw |
| 14:59.05 | Xaos | true |
| 14:59.27 | Xaos | that's ONE thing in the Constitution that is still upheld at least |
| 15:01.36 | Dave | GUNS |
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| 15:02.46 | Ainulindale | Dave: and naked women ! |
| 15:03.02 | Wander_w | TITTIES |
| 15:03.10 | Dave | \o/ |
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| 15:03.34 | Dave | Yes, wander, en kont :p |
| 15:04.41 | Wander_w | it's annoying when someone in an obscure IRC channel about an even more obscure phone talks my obscure language |
| 15:04.56 | Dave | >:) |
| 15:05.06 | Dave | We're onto you, Wander_w! |
| 15:05.15 | maze | hoezo dat dan? |
| 15:05.23 | Wander_w | no more "Ha, but I can talk Dutch and you can't, HA!" |
| 15:05.31 | maze | heersch |
| 15:05.36 | Wander_w | en verdeel |
| 15:05.41 | maze | en pwn |
| 15:06.10 | Dave | :D |
| 15:06.17 | Dave | jajaja |
| 15:06.40 | Dave | hoe is het met jou, maze? :] |
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| 15:07.05 | maze | Dave, prima |
| 15:07.19 | maze | kater :p |
| 15:07.44 | AVee | Op dinsdag? Tsss... |
| 15:07.45 | Dave | heh |
| 15:08.10 | Wander_w | op maandag smaakt het bier anders ook goed |
| 15:08.26 | Dave | Nederlandse! |
| 15:08.41 | Wander_w | Overloper! |
| 15:08.55 | Dave | ja ja ja, ik ben overloper :p |
| 15:11.41 | maze | vanaf zaterdag is er een opensource event in Holland, http://www.eth-0.nl |
| 15:11.48 | maze | dus vandaar kater ;) |
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| 15:12.20 | Dave | oooh |
| 15:12.52 | Wander_w | "opensource event" == BEER |
| 15:13.04 | maze | humpa :) |
| 15:13.11 | Wander_w | alleen dan zonder de vrouwen :P |
| 15:13.29 | maze | die zijn er wel |
| 15:13.49 | Wander_w | hoeveel dan? |
| 15:14.04 | maze | 5-10% ofzo |
| 15:14.09 | Wander_w | wow. |
| 15:14.44 | Ainulindale | Seems as if there's a lot of people sneezing here :-) |
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| 15:15.13 | Pyrasi | just patiently waiting for my freerunner. |
| 15:15.19 | Wander_w | that's right, frenchie :P |
| 15:15.30 | dtx | I'm impatiently waiting |
| 15:15.33 | dtx | but what can I do |
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| 15:16.23 | dtx | Are basic phone utilities stable? |
| 15:16.51 | dtx | Calling / Phone Book / etc. |
| 15:17.10 | dtx | since it was changed over to the Qt tools |
| 15:17.16 | dtx | or Qtopia I mean |
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| 15:19.21 | leinir | Wander_w: Which is part of why akademy 2008 is in Belgium ;) |
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| 15:21.30 | JoshTriplett | Has anyone purchased their phone from Koolu? Any issues with them? |
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| 15:21.31 | Wander_w | beh... DB is down.. time to go home ... |
| 15:21.44 | igor321 | still no official word on the gps issues? |
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| 15:22.03 | JoshTriplett | They seemed a bit disreputable at first, since they rebranded the phone and didn't say "openmoko" or "neo" anywhere. |
| 15:22.09 | benlake | should I expect a shipping confirmation email/tracking number? |
| 15:24.19 | JoshTriplett | igor321: GPS issues? |
| 15:24.40 | Dave | tickles leinir. |
| 15:24.41 | kdubois | benlake: i've heard we may get one from UPS (im in the states), but i havent gotten one yet |
| 15:24.46 | leinir | Eeeep! |
| 15:24.51 | leinir | collapses all crampey |
| 15:25.08 | benlake | kdubois: hmm ok... |
| 15:25.11 | igor321 | JoshTriplett: yes, the gps is behaving weirdly for some people, check the ML |
| 15:25.43 | Dave | :o |
| 15:25.47 | Dave | oops? :p |
| 15:25.49 | JoshTriplett | igor321: The issues with taking really long to get a first fix, or something else? |
| 15:26.02 | igor321 | some people not getting a fix at all |
| 15:26.22 | Ainulindale | igor321: Is it purely a software problem ? |
| 15:26.47 | igor321 | doesn't seems so, cause it's seems to work with the ext antenna |
| 15:27.05 | igor321 | but i'm still waiting on someone official to say something |
| 15:27.30 | Xaos | how does one test for this defect and does it count as a DOA for the warranty? |
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| 15:27.50 | benlake | there is a warranty? :P |
| 15:28.10 | Xaos | I believe it is a 2 week DOA warranty if I remember correctly |
| 15:28.34 | benlake | well that's something :) |
| 15:28.47 | nuclear_eclipse | 14 days for single orders, 28 days for 10-packs |
| 15:29.10 | Xaos | thanks Nuke! |
| 15:29.15 | igor321 | http://koolu.com/About/About-Koolu.html |
| 15:29.15 | nuclear_eclipse | yw |
| 15:29.26 | igor321 | does anyone know what this is about? |
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| 15:30.25 | SpeedEvil | igor321: Koalas are a variety of australian bird. They eat eccentrics. |
| 15:30.27 | dtx | shit so GPS doesn't work? |
| 15:30.28 | nuclear_eclipse | igor321: it just looks like someone trying to make a shady buck off of openmoko's work |
| 15:30.55 | igor321 | shady? they seem to have implemented that keyboard |
| 15:31.10 | nuclear_eclipse | thinks it's probably photoshopped :P |
| 15:31.15 | igor321 | well possibly not |
| 15:31.30 | Xaos | it's almost certainly pshopped, but it would be a cool thing...no? |
| 15:31.34 | igor321 | they are an "official" reseller |
| 15:31.48 | igor321 | so they do have some credibility, in my eyes |
| 15:31.52 | Xaos | how can it be shady? Isn't this supposed to be an OPEN phone? |
| 15:32.03 | nuclear_eclipse | is it Koolu saying they are official, or Openmoko? |
| 15:32.13 | igor321 | they're on the official page |
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| 15:32.30 | pjj | well using osx looks is kinda shady ;) |
| 15:32.41 | Xaos | who cares...can I not take the phone and do what I want with it? Including putting a laser keyboard and a projector into it and re-selling it? |
| 15:32.56 | SpeedEvil | laser keyboard is stupid. |
| 15:32.57 | nuclear_eclipse | Xaos: I'm not saying you can't |
| 15:32.59 | Xaos | probably just an OSX theme |
| 15:32.59 | SpeedEvil | IMO |
| 15:33.24 | Xaos | laser keyboard gives as much tactile feedback as the lcd does....doesn't it? |
| 15:33.34 | nuclear_eclipse | but the Koolu site has been around for quite a while and always seemed incredibly shady on what they said they could/would be doing |
| 15:34.01 | Xaos | not saying they aren't shady and utterly corrupt...but it would be a neat phone. ;-) |
| 15:34.02 | nuclear_eclipse | their site looks much less shady these days |
| 15:34.40 | dtx | A music messaging session has been requested. Please click the MM icon to accept. |
| 15:34.50 | igor321 | they don't seem criminal, at least :) |
| 15:34.50 | nuclear_eclipse | the "shady" part is that your "$299" freerunner requires you getting them 25 Google Apps sign ups.... |
| 15:34.57 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r909dce059911 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get further improved call handling |
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| 15:35.30 | igor321 | oh? that is shady... |
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| 15:39.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1c3cfda70768 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get further improved call handling |
| 15:39.53 | pthorin | is there a more detailed way of booting from SD cards than the one on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card? |
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| 15:40.35 | pthorin | ah, maybe the one at Booting_from_SD |
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| 15:42.57 | goodwill | igor321: pyramid scheme |
| 15:44.05 | goodwill | koolu appliance also looks like something I've seen before. Can not remember the company name though |
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| 15:48.38 | Weiss | igor321: the 'how it all started' page doesn't seem to have very much to do with the rest of the site. looks dodgy to me.. |
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| 15:51.14 | igor321 | Weiss: i know, openmoko shouldn't have made them an official distributer then, eh :) |
| 15:51.24 | jOERG_rw | Guilt: sorry, can't help at all on this topic :.( |
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| 15:52.22 | igor321 | except look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koolu |
| 15:52.34 | nuclear_eclipse | igor321: "official distrbutor" probably means nothing more than "they bought a bunch of units from us to sell to others" :P |
| 15:53.04 | igor321 | did you see the wiki? it just gets weirder.... |
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| 15:55.05 | goodwill | where does it say official distributor? |
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| 15:55.49 | igor321 | on openmoko.com |
| 15:55.56 | nuclear_eclipse | goodwill: check openmoko.com for distributors for the americas |
| 15:57.00 | goodwill | interesting |
| 15:57.00 | igor321 | i'm checking them out on youtube and they are one weird company :) |
| 15:57.17 | goodwill | is that other appliance they have theirs? or someone elses? |
| 15:57.25 | igor321 | it's from FIC |
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| 15:58.39 | goodwill | Well-known Linux luminary Jon "maddog" Hall |
| 15:58.43 | goodwill | is that true? |
| 15:59.04 | nuclear_eclipse | I dont know him :P |
| 15:59.07 | goodwill | I do nto really remember his name from anywhere, but I do not necessarily pay my attention to such things |
| 15:59.14 | igor321 | he is famouse |
| 15:59.18 | igor321 | *famous |
| 15:59.33 | igor321 | but i'm not so sure that the info on wiki is completely true |
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| 15:59.53 | Qwell | goodwill: Maddog is crazy. |
| 15:59.58 | Qwell | (in a good way?) |
| 16:01.35 | goodwill | but igor321 is right. 25 people sign ups for google apps premium or 100 for good apps free is fairly shady |
| 16:01.56 | goodwill | and if maddog is supposed to be promoting open source thats not that way to do it |
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| 16:18.57 | pthorin | which one of the images (GTK, ASU, or FSO) is the most stable right now? |
| 16:19.37 | pthorin | and is it easier/better to try to boot it from sd or by flashing the actual device? |
| 16:20.05 | Ainulindale | pthorin: on the telephony point of view, FSO |
| 16:21.21 | pthorin | Ainulindale: but that's pretty much all the FSO does right now? |
| 16:21.41 | Ainulindale | Hopefully not for long |
| 16:21.53 | macdonalder | what's up doc|home? :D |
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| 16:22.08 | pthorin | according to the roadmap, it's 3 weeks until SMS |
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| 16:22.36 | pthorin | but if I would want to use the GPS or wifi? |
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| 16:23.48 | Ainulindale | pthorin: I don't know anything about that :-) |
| 16:23.58 | pthorin | Ainulindale: ok, thanks anyway :) |
| 16:24.24 | macdonalder | pthorin brings up a question, is there a wiki page somewhere with the current state or roadmaps for the different stacks? |
| 16:24.28 | Ainulindale | pthorin: For my part right now I'm just interested in having a phone with basic telephony capabilities, and a decent battery time |
| 16:24.34 | Ainulindale | macdonalder: yep, there's trac |
| 16:25.04 | Tanuva | macdonalder: and on the wiki theres at least a roadmap for asu |
| 16:25.15 | SpeedEvil | Shop graph has almost stalled. |
| 16:25.26 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/Freerunner.gif |
| 16:25.28 | macdonalder | ahh ok, thanks |
| 16:25.52 | pthorin | macdonalder: http://trac.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example/roadmap |
| 16:26.17 | pthorin | macdonalder: that's for the FSO |
| 16:26.55 | Tanuva | is flashing the gtk stack (again) and hoping that wlan will work with that... |
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| 16:27.39 | macdonalder | pthorin: thanks! |
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| 16:27.48 | macdonalder | bookmarks |
| 16:28.10 | macdonalder | definitely easier than flashing all the time to figure out what's changed |
| 16:28.30 | Ainulindale | macdonalder: haha :-) |
| 16:29.13 | macdonalder | up until a week or so ago I didn't even know there were three different stacks... |
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| 16:29.44 | Ainulindale | Neither did I |
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| 16:29.49 | nuclear_eclipse | macdonalder: I take it you're not on the community mailing list? ;) |
| 16:30.03 | macdonalder | unfortunately not, maybe I should get on that ;) |
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| 16:30.21 | pthorin | michael lauer has written about them here: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
| 16:30.43 | nuclear_eclipse | it's a dead horse that's been beaten on the list twenty times already it seems :D |
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| 16:30.56 | Dave | I have returned. |
| 16:31.02 | nuclear_eclipse | hello Dave |
| 16:31.11 | Tanuva | Dave: congrats. :) |
| 16:31.36 | goodwill | Dave: booya? |
| 16:32.09 | macdonalder | well in comparison to your average commercially available phone the options you've got in terms of what you want to run on the phone are both staggering and confusing... at least initially |
| 16:32.20 | nuclear_eclipse | macdonalder: +1000 |
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| 16:32.45 | nuclear_eclipse | it certainly could use some more organization and information placed in a public location |
| 16:32.59 | macdonalder | absolutely |
| 16:33.23 | Tanuva | at least we have the Latest_Images page now |
| 16:33.31 | macdonalder | I don't have my phone yet, but once I do and I have a chance to play with it a bit I'd love to help out |
| 16:33.32 | nuclear_eclipse | although, IIRC, there's a page on the wiki that tells you what/where/how to get each of the available images |
| 16:33.46 | Ainulindale | yep on mokomakefile |
| 16:34.31 | Dave | goodwill! |
| 16:35.58 | goodwill | Tanuva: we do? |
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| 16:36.29 | ecraven | ;) can I somehow disable power-on on usb connect? |
| 16:36.35 | Tanuva | goodwill: yes, we do |
| 16:36.50 | goodwill | where is that at? |
| 16:37.02 | Tanuva | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images |
| 16:37.19 | nuclear_eclipse | ah, that's the page I was thinking of |
| 16:37.25 | Tanuva | I think thats what nuclear_eclipse meant |
| 16:37.29 | Tanuva | ;D |
| 16:37.51 | nuclear_eclipse | so, what does TMTLA mean? |
| 16:38.12 | pthorin | nuclear_eclipse: Too Many Three Letter Acronyms |
| 16:38.16 | nuclear_eclipse | ah ha! |
| 16:38.27 | nuclear_eclipse | it all makes sense now |
| 16:38.39 | pthorin | could be Two letter as well, but in this case based on context, I would say it's three :) |
| 16:38.46 | nuclear_eclipse | hehe |
| 16:38.58 | pthorin | there are also FLA and OLA, and so on I guess |
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| 16:39.20 | ecraven | did anyone successfully boot from SD with their FR? |
| 16:39.22 | mjr | ETLA |
| 16:39.52 | pthorin | the Latest_Images page is also linked from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner FYI |
| 16:40.39 | Tanuva | ecraven: I didnt manage to get a vfat fs on mmcblk0p1 yet since my printer's cardreader doesnt recognize it and the neo doesnt have mkfs.vfat |
| 16:40.49 | goodwill | hehhehe |
| 16:40.50 | goodwill | SHR (Stable Hybrid Release) Image |
| 16:40.59 | goodwill | The SHR doesn't exist anywhere but in a few people's heads at the moment (2008-07-05). |
| 16:41.16 | ecraven | Tanuva: i did, and it didn't work :( |
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| 16:41.37 | Tanuva | there seem to be some problems around this.. |
| 16:42.22 | pthorin | ecraven, Tanuva: it did not work for me with the ASU in any case |
| 16:43.21 | Dave | Anyone else here play with Thomas's lil demo app? :p |
| 16:43.32 | Dave | For which the script was finally posted :P |
| 16:43.49 | ecraven | Dave: which demo app? |
| 16:44.06 | ecraven | Tanuva, pthorin: i heard the uboot was bad, maybe, and we'd need to update it |
| 16:44.11 | Dave | the led/wifi/accel one :] |
| 16:44.11 | nuclear_eclipse | wishes he his FreeRunner would hurry up and ship |
| 16:44.22 | ecraven | Dave: yes, i modified it a bit today :) |
| 16:44.22 | Dave | s/he// |
| 16:44.28 | Dave | oh, cool :D |
| 16:44.30 | Dave | apt, shush. |
| 16:44.31 | apt | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 16:44.36 | Dave | :) |
| 16:44.43 | lindi- | any cheap and small keyboard i could use with freerunner? |
| 16:45.06 | lindi- | the bluetooth keyboards are around 90 EUR which is quite expensive imho |
| 16:45.14 | Dave | ecraven, cool, I'm trying to play with it now but there are a number of noticible issues; would you mind chatting for a few minutes about it with me? :) |
| 16:45.30 | ecraven | not at all |
| 16:45.50 | ecraven | i changed the accelerator part to correctly display all 4 orientations |
| 16:46.24 | IXian-Probe | Does anyone here have experience with antenna hw design? I'm curious if it would be possible to hack/retrofit a better antenna in the FR...(?) |
| 16:46.36 | ebbe | lindi-: http://www.freedominput.com/site/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=88&vmcchk=1 |
| 16:46.38 | IXian-Probe | (NOt that I have a specific plan to do so.) |
| 16:46.46 | Dave | ecraven, sweet, what were the exact issues behind the event devices? |
| 16:47.10 | Dave | I only got a gist of what the problem appeared to be, but I did not find a solution yet :] |
| 16:47.19 | ecraven | no idea, i never changed that part, http://eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at/tmp/gta02.py |
| 16:47.25 | ecraven | what's the problem? |
| 16:47.34 | Dave | hmm |
| 16:47.39 | Dave | let me run yours and see :) |
| 16:47.50 | lindi- | ebbe: hmm, 70 pounds is still quite a lot |
| 16:47.55 | ecraven | i also added an Exit button :) |
| 16:48.14 | ebbe | lindi-: Ohh. Didn't see it was punds.. sorry :) |
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| 16:49.43 | ecraven | Dave: i also added a basic /usr/share/applications/info.desktop to start it from the menu ;) |
| 16:49.45 | Dave | Ah neat |
| 16:49.49 | ecraven | does it work? |
| 16:49.53 | Dave | That's what I would have liked! |
| 16:49.58 | Dave | oh uyeah |
| 16:50.00 | ecraven | it should correctly identify 5 different orientations |
| 16:50.15 | ecraven | level, portrait, head-up portrait, left landscape and right landscape |
| 16:50.21 | ecraven | provided you tilt it a bit :) |
| 16:50.23 | Dave | It's a bit slow, but works :D |
| 16:50.25 | Dave | yeah it does :) |
| 16:50.34 | ecraven | yes, that might be due to it being python |
| 16:50.46 | Dave | except one additional issue |
| 16:50.48 | ecraven | when the qt stuff is done, i'll try with that |
| 16:50.57 | Dave | is my graphical display looks a bit different, perhaps I'm missing something? |
| 16:51.05 | Dave | where the buttons are, there is only text displayed :x |
| 16:51.55 | ecraven | which buttons? |
| 16:52.09 | Dave | the LED buttons |
| 16:52.30 | Dave | Oh, and thank you for the exit button :p |
| 16:52.39 | ecraven | hehe, i don't like apps without exit buttons |
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| 16:52.49 | Dave | Now if only I had an app button to launch it with ;) |
| 16:52.52 | Dave | Agreed |
| 16:53.07 | ecraven | Dave: a second |
| 16:53.14 | Dave | okay :] |
| 16:53.28 | jakob__ | can anybody point me into the right direction howto get access the data from the accelerometers in the freerunner? |
| 16:53.38 | jakob__ | +to |
| 16:54.06 | ecraven | move this http://eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at/tmp/info.desktop to /usr/share/applications |
| 16:54.15 | ecraven | and adjust the path inside to point to your gta02.py |
| 16:54.18 | ecraven | then it should show up in the menu |
| 16:54.23 | Dave | Ah, okay :] |
| 16:54.26 | lindi- | jakob__: are you developing your own application? |
| 16:54.35 | jakob__ | lindi-: yes |
| 16:54.50 | jakob__ | lindi-: I am just not sure howto access the needed data |
| 16:54.52 | ecraven | jakob__: http://eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at/tmp/gta02.py has python code to access the accelerometers |
| 16:55.06 | ecraven | i didn't write this though, so i can't tell you how it works :) |
| 16:55.07 | jakob__ | ecraven: thanks I will take a look at this |
| 16:55.23 | Dave | yep :D |
| 16:55.27 | Dave | black magic! |
| 16:55.28 | ecraven | Dave: strange, it doesn't work on my fr any longer.. i'll have a look at the event stuff |
| 16:55.30 | Dave | and voodoo :p |
| 16:55.32 | ecraven | Dave: what's wrong with that? |
| 16:55.35 | Dave | hmm |
| 16:55.40 | Dave | what's wrong with what? |
| 16:55.42 | Dave | oh heehee :P |
| 16:55.47 | Dave | Nothing, of course ;D |
| 16:55.53 | Dave | I mean hey, I even write in perl :P |
| 16:55.57 | Dave | that's evil enough >:) |
| 16:56.04 | lindi- | ecraven: thanks, can you put that to more permanent location so that it doesn't get lost? |
| 16:56.23 | ecraven | i'll modify it some more, then put it onto the wiki |
| 16:56.58 | bobkare | ecraven: try changing event3 to event2, somebody said there was a bug that made only one of the accelerometers come up at boot |
| 16:57.10 | Dave | ecraven \o/ |
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| 16:57.33 | Dave | gives ecraven some of his cookies |
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| 16:58.27 | nuclear_eclipse | cookies! |
| 16:58.30 | Dave | Still, it's strange, how my LED buttons in the python app don't show up as buttons. |
| 16:58.33 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse: AFFIRMATIVE. |
| 16:59.03 | nuclear_eclipse | hurries to write Python to get his own cookies! |
| 16:59.21 | ecraven | Dave: oh, i think buttons are styled to look like text :) |
| 16:59.25 | ecraven | look at the exit button |
| 16:59.38 | Dave | right but the exit button has a different colored background at least |
| 16:59.55 | Dave | the background behind the LED selections are the same, and I wasn't sure it was intended to be as such :P |
| 17:00.24 | Sjano | Hello. |
| 17:00.33 | ecraven | what was the command to enumerate all input/events again? |
| 17:00.39 | ecraven | Dave: strange |
| 17:00.49 | Dave | yeah :| |
| 17:00.59 | Dave | I can take a screenshot if you'd like, though I think you get the gist of it :P |
| 17:01.10 | ecraven | yes, i see the same behaviour here |
| 17:01.31 | ecraven | ah, because it's a ToggleButton, not a Button |
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| 17:02.16 | Sjano | Can openmoko run normal linux software? like... lets say desktop web browsers? |
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| 17:02.28 | leinir | Well, kind of - needs compiling but yes |
| 17:02.43 | leinir | Problem is that VGA isn't really much space for that ;) |
| 17:03.35 | ecraven | hm.. shouldn't there be udev rules for the accelerometer? |
| 17:03.49 | Sjano | hmmm... well... it runs JM2E too, right? |
| 17:04.46 | Sjano | have to come with lots of wierd questions until it's ready for end users :P |
| 17:05.56 | lindi- | Sjano: you must mean j2me |
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| 17:06.01 | SpeedEvil | Sjano: think of it as a P100 laptop with a 2.8" screen, and you won't be far wrong. |
| 17:06.03 | lindi- | Sjano: and no, it's not included |
| 17:06.04 | Sjano | j2me, yeah |
| 17:06.25 | lindi- | Sjano: not sure how free that would be anyway |
| 17:06.42 | Sjano | oh? |
| 17:06.51 | Tanuva | would really like to know why his neo doesnt like wifi... |
| 17:06.53 | mjr | the phoneme j2me thingy is free and has been afaik run (under qvfb) on the neo, but don't know details |
| 17:07.41 | Sjano | kinda want j2me for the opera mini browser, (or maybe opera mobile, don't know if it needs j2me :S ) |
| 17:08.00 | mjr | https://phoneme.dev.java.net/ |
| 17:08.01 | Sjano | phoneme? whats that? |
| 17:08.40 | Sjano | so it's like an opensource version of j2me? |
| 17:08.54 | mjr | so it's like the j2me freed |
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| 17:09.37 | Sjano | nice. is it compable with software made for j2me? |
| 17:09.45 | mjr | should be |
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| 17:10.10 | mjr | Though you mustn't claim Java(TM) compliance without doing the Official Tests. But the functionality "should" be there |
| 17:10.15 | Tanuva | my neo's producing messages like this all the time on dmesg. does this wmi control somehow affect wlan? gta02:~# |
| 17:10.26 | Tanuva | argh. http://rafb.net/p/yCrqdi58.html |
| 17:10.36 | Dave | ecraven, one would think so :) |
| 17:10.43 | Dave | it seems to be more of a naughty device :p |
| 17:12.16 | lindi- | Tanuva: sounds like http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1285 |
| 17:12.18 | TAsn | http://digg.com/apple/G_Park_iPhone_App_Lets_the_Forgetful_Bookmark_Their_Cars |
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| 17:12.32 | TAsn | genius, that's a good thing to do in the moko |
| 17:12.51 | Qwell | bookmark your car? |
| 17:12.54 | Sjano | how far has the openmoko mobile phone gotten? from the eyes of an end user? can it make/recive calls,sms,mms and so on? |
| 17:12.58 | TAsn | well atleast to incorporate into tangogps :) |
| 17:12.59 | Qwell | like gps? |
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| 17:13.06 | TAsn | Qwell, with gps. |
| 17:13.14 | lindi- | Sjano: afaik yes |
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| 17:13.28 | TAsn | Qwell, just make it a fast accessible button :) |
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| 17:13.34 | lindi- | Sjano: if you have vnc you can play with my emulated openmoko |
| 17:13.38 | Qwell | the "Dude, where's my car?" button |
| 17:14.57 | Tanuva | lindi-: hmm.. so my wifi issues at least wont be caused by the hardware, thats nice to hear... |
| 17:15.56 | Dave | :D |
| 17:15.58 | Sjano | lindi-: will it work with ultravnc? think i have that on my other comp. |
| 17:16.05 | lindi- | Sjano: sure, vnc is vnc |
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| 17:16.38 | TAsn | Qwell, exactly :) |
| 17:16.44 | pthorin | woah, ASU booting |
| 17:16.47 | kelvie_work | hmm.. is there an NX client / server for the openmoko yet? :P |
| 17:17.06 | Qwell | mmm, nx |
| 17:17.44 | ecraven | what does neod do exactly? |
| 17:17.44 | kelvie_work | NX is so much better than VNC |
| 17:17.50 | lindi- | kelvie_work: wasn't there a freedom issue? |
| 17:17.56 | mjr | Sjano, it's not the most reliable phone, but the default software will do calls and sms. No mms (though it is a software issue, so feel free to code support ;P ) |
| 17:17.57 | kelvie_work | the protocol is open |
| 17:18.05 | kelvie_work | I think there's at least one GPL implementation |
| 17:18.19 | Qwell | kelvie: it's not so much "open". it's more or less just X forwarding, no? |
| 17:18.49 | kelvie_work | it's a lot more than that |
| 17:19.00 | kelvie_work | it can even do multimedia, clipboard sharing |
| 17:19.02 | kelvie_work | dynamic resizing |
| 17:19.08 | kelvie_work | supports a lot more X extensions |
| 17:19.20 | kelvie_work | and is really, really bandwidth friendly |
| 17:19.33 | lindi- | kelvie_work: still, there's a reason why it's not in e.g. debian probably :( |
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| 17:20.01 | kelvie_work | yeah on my work machine here (kubuntu) I had to install it manually |
| 17:20.02 | Sjano | mjr: i wouldn't be able to help much with the coding, i barly know a little c+ , hehe... |
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| 17:20.08 | kelvie_work | gentoo gets away with a lot of non-free packages :p |
| 17:20.12 | kelvie_work | or licencing issues |
| 17:20.33 | mjr | Sjano, well, the point is, you don't want it as an end-user phone just yet |
| 17:20.35 | lindi- | kelvie_work: yep they do, user needs to manually check every license statement to be sure :) |
| 17:21.23 | kelvie_work | hehe |
| 17:21.35 | Sjano | mjr: nbo, i want to use it as an end-user phone, but i think i have to wait, hehe.... :P |
| 17:21.40 | Dave | pesky ricers, we hateses them. |
| 17:21.48 | Sjano | nbo=no* |
| 17:21.55 | kelvie_work | doesn't look like the server is free .. hrm |
| 17:22.05 | kelvie_work | which is a shame.. NX is really that awesome |
| 17:22.41 | Dave | what are we talking about here, neod? |
| 17:22.46 | mjr | Sjano, certainly. We all hope your wait is short :] |
| 17:22.51 | Sjano | how's the battery lifetime on the phone currently? like X/hours standby/connected to wifi/talking in phone? |
| 17:23.14 | Dave | Sjano, getting there... :p |
| 17:24.26 | mjr | The predecessor device has been clocked at 21 hours mostly on standby, and able to answer call after that. Power saving is very much a work in progress. |
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| 17:24.39 | Sjano | mjr: well think it's worth the wait, atleast after my expectations :D and i've allready had my phone a couple of years so i hope it'll hold until openmoko's done :D |
| 17:26.45 | lindi- | kelvie_work: 'NX will never be included into Debian if its include sources of X, Samba and so on.' |
| 17:26.53 | lindi- | kelvie_work: -- http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-nx-group/2008-January/000189.html |
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| 17:28.21 | LoneTech | so what does the nxproxy package do? |
| 17:28.57 | ecraven | what is neod for? |
| 17:29.20 | lindi- | LoneTech: it's one single C file :) |
| 17:29.30 | kelvie_work | lindi-: ah, that's just weird |
| 17:29.33 | lindi- | LoneTech: -rw-r--r-- 1 lindi kurp 2009 Jan 19 2007 ./nxproxy/Main.c |
| 17:29.34 | ebbe | ecraven: Handling button presses i think |
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| 17:30.26 | LoneTech | lindi-: according to nomachine site, it uses a library, so that doesn't say much on its own. It appears nxproxy uses the NX and X protocols. |
| 17:30.38 | NineX | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_file_systems&oldid=220529437#Features <rotfl |
| 17:30.52 | ecraven | why the f.. does it open all input/event*?? |
| 17:30.55 | lindi- | LoneTech: in debian it doesn't depend on anything interesting |
| 17:31.01 | kelvie_work | mm I'm glad I don't have to use the server on a debian based machine then |
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| 17:31.17 | LoneTech | lindi-: it does, libxcomp3. |
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| 17:31.53 | Dave | ecraven: yeah, I wondered that myself |
| 17:31.56 | Dave | it's also buggy |
| 17:31.58 | Danker | NineX: "Murders your wife" :lol: |
| 17:32.13 | lindi- | LoneTech: ah true |
| 17:32.18 | ecraven | Dave: so, how do we fix this? |
| 17:32.24 | Dave | why sometimes does it show up under the Currently used apps menu, and sometimes not, and sometimes it runs at 70-90% CPU for an hour, and sometimes it's not running at all. |
| 17:32.39 | lindi- | LoneTech: maybe those alone jsut aren't enough |
| 17:32.44 | Dave | I have no clue, so far I think neod is evil, though I honestly have no ideas what's its specific function is! :P |
| 17:33.12 | ecraven | also we should have udev rules for the accelerators, i wrote some, but i have no idea how to get them into the official image |
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| 17:33.18 | Tanuva | Dave: thats why it must be evil :D |
| 17:33.46 | kelvie_work | it's sad when otherwise really great technologies become basically unaccessible :( |
| 17:33.52 | Danker | I bet that reiser had a serious reason to do this... Sometimes women can really piss off.... |
| 17:34.01 | ecraven | ok, killing neod is *not* a good idea :) |
| 17:34.12 | lindi- | kelvie_work: i think it's sensible to not fork samba :) |
| 17:34.25 | Dave | Ah, finally, GDocs is back up |
| 17:34.27 | lindi- | kelvie_work: now if there's a security bug in samba you need to find the same code in nx too |
| 17:34.31 | Dave | ecraven, I found that out yeah! :D |
| 17:34.31 | LoneTech | http://www.nomachine.com/documentation/building-components.php seems to talk about it. Looks like the next step is management, including (I guess) a disconnectable X server. |
| 17:34.32 | kelvie_work | I do agree on that |
| 17:34.44 | LoneTech | nxproxy appears to be the core of it |
| 17:34.45 | kelvie_work | well forking I think is completely fine |
| 17:34.50 | Dave | I think I did that last night and the phone didn't run well after that, e.g. the power button no longer worked :P |
| 17:34.59 | kelvie_work | just merge the upstream back in |
| 17:35.05 | Dave | so it *would* stand to reason then that it does handle button presses :p |
| 17:35.22 | lindi- | kelvie_work: xorg does not accept GPL licensed code |
| 17:35.28 | lindi- | kelvie_work: so you can't do it |
| 17:35.29 | ecraven | Dave: it says buttons and wifi in the documentation |
| 17:35.35 | kelvie_work | and licensing is another issue that often leaves me depressed :) |
| 17:35.40 | lindi- | kelvie_work: and NoMachine is unlikely to relicense under MIT |
| 17:35.42 | kelvie_work | like how we can't get ZFS on linux |
| 17:35.45 | kelvie_work | ever |
| 17:35.48 | pthorin | has anyone got wifi working? |
| 17:35.53 | ecraven | yes |
| 17:35.54 | ecraven | me |
| 17:36.06 | lindi- | kelvie_work: not so sure, ZFS copyrights are held by a company that just might relicense |
| 17:36.30 | pthorin | ecraven: which image are you running? |
| 17:36.54 | kelvie_work | lindi-: Sun? isn't the whole point of the CDDL to be GPL incompatible? :p |
| 17:36.54 | ecraven | the original one |
| 17:37.03 | ecraven | i've been trying to boot from SD for a day now, no success at all ;( |
| 17:37.10 | lindi- | kelvie_work: yes, but they might change their mind |
| 17:37.11 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r6fe8b748c90e 10/odeviced/src/plugins/rtc/rtc.vala: fix possible multiple set_wakeup_time attempts |
| 17:37.13 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r1548bb92e876 10/odeviced/src/ (daemon/service.vala plugins/power/power.vala): Make full use of 'capacity' node if it exists |
| 17:37.22 | kelvie_work | well I have my figers crossed :) |
| 17:37.26 | pthorin | ecraven: oh ok, are you using an open wifi? |
| 17:37.36 | ecraven | no, wpa2 |
| 17:37.49 | pthorin | how do you configure it? |
| 17:37.52 | ecraven | pthorin: i edited /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 17:37.58 | pthorin | oooh |
| 17:38.05 | ecraven | pthorin: like it said on the wiki, also /etc/wpa_supplicant/.. |
| 17:38.10 | ecraven | it's on the wiki somewhere |
| 17:38.18 | pthorin | oh ok, I missed that one, cheers |
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| 17:38.27 | ecraven | pthorin: don't do any of the other stuff though |
| 17:38.30 | ecraven | that's all that's needed :) |
| 17:39.03 | Danker | "On Monday, April 28, 2008 Hans Reiser was found guilty of first degree murder.[43] He faced a sentence of 25 years to life in prison.[44] Sentencing was set for July 9th 2008." poor guy... |
| 17:39.23 | pthorin | ecraven: cool |
| 17:39.41 | ezekiel-v3 | Danker: but then yesterday he led the police to her body |
| 17:39.42 | Dave | I did it with simple wifi yesterday |
| 17:39.53 | ezekiel-v3 | two days before sentencing |
| 17:39.53 | Danker | Yap... |
| 17:39.59 | ecraven | argl, now do i actually have to recompile neod?? |
| 17:40.04 | Danker | 25 years is too cruel.... |
| 17:40.31 | Dave | muwahahaha |
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| 17:41.33 | ecraven | who is that 'marcus' who replied he recompiled neod? |
| 17:41.45 | Dave | Yeah, I'm not entirely sure. |
| 17:43.43 | ecraven | how do i check out from the openmoko source? svn co http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/...?? |
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| 17:45.43 | Flinx | Hello all! |
| 17:45.55 | z0idberg_ | ecraven: without the "web" in the hostname. like svn co http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src |
| 17:46.09 | ecraven | z0idberg_: thanks, i tried svn://svn. and svn://svnweb. :( |
| 17:46.14 | ecraven | seems i missed the correct one :) |
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| 17:48.02 | Flinx | Probably a Silly question but I'm going to ask anyways... -- The current version of the Freerunner does -not- support 3G? |
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| 17:48.23 | nuclear_eclipse | correct |
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| 17:48.52 | ecraven | can anyone explain to me how to compile neod for the FR? |
| 17:49.08 | nuclear_eclipse | ecraven: cross your fingers and tap your heels? |
| 17:49.49 | Tanuva | what does TTFF (gps context) mean? |
| 17:50.01 | Flinx | *chuckles* |
| 17:50.11 | nuclear_eclipse | Tanuva: Time To First Fix |
| 17:50.19 | kelvie_work | through the fire and the flames? |
| 17:50.21 | Flinx | *secretly wonders if his Credit card will handle the cost of an OpenMoko* |
| 17:50.30 | Flinx | **... Freerunner* |
| 17:50.35 | Tanuva | nuclear_eclipse: ahaaa! thanks :) |
| 17:50.44 | nuclear_eclipse | Flinx: it's not quite secret if you tell everyone ;) |
| 17:50.46 | Tanuva | kelvie_work: \m/ ! |
| 17:50.47 | nuclear_eclipse | Tanuva: yw |
| 17:50.53 | Flinx | GASP! |
| 17:50.56 | Flinx | your right! |
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| 17:52.44 | ecraven | is there still work going on on 2007.2?? |
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| 17:52.52 | Dave | ecraven, I'm checking it out :p |
| 17:53.00 | Dave | not that, but the neod compilation :P |
| 17:53.07 | Dave | it'd be nice without having to recompile -everything- |
| 17:54.09 | ecraven | Dave: that must be possible, i'm just installing the arm crosscompiler |
| 17:54.19 | mjr | ecraven, the infant SHR project aims to take the gtk phone stuff from there and adapt it on top of FSO |
| 17:56.51 | Flinx | Hrm.. |
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| 17:59.18 | ecraven | Dave: hm.. i'll try to compile *on* the FR, crosscompilation is too much work :( |
| 17:59.48 | lindi- | too much work? |
| 18:00.02 | LionKMP | make |
| 18:00.06 | LionKMP | :) |
| 18:00.54 | ecraven | LionKMP: only if everything is set up correctly |
| 18:01.32 | ecraven | lindi-: if you can tell me how to set everything up.. :) |
| 18:01.47 | lindi- | ecraven: to add new app or to modify existing? |
| 18:01.53 | ecraven | lindi-: recompile neod |
| 18:02.03 | lindi- | ecraven: what distro do you have? |
| 18:02.07 | ecraven | arch linux |
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| 18:02.19 | lindi- | i need to figure out this myself too so i'll let you know if i manage to do it :) |
| 18:02.37 | lindi- | at least i got emulation work eÃ…nicely |
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| 18:04.00 | ecraven | lindi-: seems i need to do some programming before i can use the FR :) |
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| 18:04.36 | lindi- | ecraven: i assume you know C :) |
| 18:04.40 | ecraven | yes |
| 18:04.47 | ecraven | i've just never set up gcc for cross-compiling |
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| 18:05.10 | Guilt | hi. did i receive any messages and i didnt respond? |
| 18:05.15 | abraxa_ | ecraven: I'd suggest using the SDK |
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| 18:05.41 | ecraven | abraxa_: how.. ;) i got the toolchain, but how do i use that with the autogen.sh from neod?? |
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| 18:06.47 | abraxa_ | ecraven: I'm afraid I never used it myself. However, there's a nice introduction on the wiki about it. |
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| 18:07.31 | ecraven | abraxa_: there are nice articles about everything on the wiki, the main problem is finding out what applies to the FR, and what is 2 years old.. |
| 18:08.04 | Flinx | Sadface.. i can't afford a Freerunner right now :( |
| 18:08.14 | methril|laptop | hi |
| 18:08.18 | abraxa_ | ecraven: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain should be pretty up-to-date. |
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| 18:11.01 | pthorin | yey, wlan is up! |
| 18:11.27 | ecraven | pthorin: congratulations :) |
| 18:11.36 | lindi- | ecraven: i'm settnig it up right now |
| 18:11.52 | ecraven | lindi-: mind to tell me how? |
| 18:12.01 | lindi- | ecraven: i don't know if it works yet :) |
| 18:12.11 | lindi- | i'm writing everything down |
| 18:12.19 | ecraven | i'm trying to compile on the FR, but it seems i'm missing pkg.m4, even though i installed pkgconfig |
| 18:12.30 | lindi- | ecraven: at the moment reading http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomakefile |
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| 18:20.39 | ecraven | lindi-: ah, that looks good, thanks! |
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| 18:23.42 | ecraven | has anyone got their Freerunner to boot from SD? |
| 18:23.45 | lindi- | i am bit confused, can i have it build for gta01 even though i have gta02? |
| 18:24.01 | lindi- | and is it really building for arm and not x86? |
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| 18:25.33 | ecraven | can i access the boot env from a running system? |
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| 18:26.19 | ebbe | lindi-: You can build for x86, gta01 and gta02. This have to be specified before building with Mokomakefile |
| 18:26.21 | abraxa_ | ecraven: Last thing I heard was that boot from SD isn't working at the moment |
| 18:26.59 | ecraven | abraxa_: do you know why? |
| 18:27.02 | abraxa_ | lindi-: The files for GTA01/02 are the same, just the final .jffs2 is different (among other distro-specific things) |
| 18:28.17 | lindi- | abraxa_: so MACHINE = "om-gta01" is ok even though i have freerunner? |
| 18:28.37 | lindi- | i also have DISTRO = "openmoko" and BUILD_ARCH = "i686" .. will this still build arm binaries? |
| 18:29.08 | lindi- | ecraven: i heard it was uboot bug |
| 18:29.27 | ecraven | so i might flash a new uboot? |
| 18:29.49 | lindi- | i donn't know details sorry |
| 18:29.59 | ebbe | lindi-: I think you can define these things with the makefile |
| 18:30.18 | ebbe | Something with set-machine or something |
| 18:30.21 | abraxa_ | ecraven: No idea, sorry. If it doesn't work, please write a mail to openmoko-devel and ask about the status. |
| 18:30.54 | lindi- | ebbe: i only found those i quoted |
| 18:31.20 | ebbe | lindi-: I mean you have to do "make set-something" |
| 18:31.29 | leinir | Minor glitch on the wiki's ASU Feature Plan - Template:FeatureDene :) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan |
| 18:32.21 | lindi- | ebbe: there are setup-* targets? |
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| 18:32.55 | ebbe | lindi-: Sounds good, but I can't really tell you more, because I haven't really used it. Just tried it some months ago |
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| 18:33.14 | abraxa_ | lindi-: You'd be better off using om-gta02 but there shouldn't be a problem in general I don't think. |
| 18:33.19 | lindi- | ebbe: ok |
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| 18:34.28 | lindi- | ebbe: it created ./build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/bin/flex: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, not stripped |
| 18:34.33 | Virusmaster | yaaaaay.. my moko is here... -eom- |
| 18:34.34 | Virusmaster | :P |
| 18:34.34 | lindi- | ebbe: so it's creating x86 binaries :( |
| 18:34.46 | Tanuva | there's no mp3 codec for gstreamer available yet, is it? [just had a look at the buildhost, nothing interesting found] |
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| 18:35.31 | abraxa_ | lindi-: It does create some i686 binaries for the cross-compiler, so I wouldn't worry |
| 18:35.31 | Savago | @all: is anyone working with calendar/contacts synchronization? |
| 18:35.37 | lindi- | abraxa_: ok |
| 18:35.41 | ebbe | Ahh yes |
| 18:36.44 | abraxa_ | Savago: What's your question? |
| 18:37.04 | abraxa_ | Tanuva: Yeah there is - lame |
| 18:37.15 | Savago | a) What is possible to do today with openmoko? (i.e. Is possible to sync with google calendar for example?) |
| 18:37.39 | Savago | b) If negative, is anyone working to address that? |
| 18:38.21 | ebbe | Savago: I'm actually playing with Google synchronization right now |
| 18:39.01 | Tanuva | abraxa_: oh. yes. I see. opkg just got a job.. :) |
| 18:39.12 | Savago | ebbe, nice! Is that working? :-) |
| 18:39.20 | abraxa_ | Tanuva: Yeah. http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/gst-plugin-mad_0.10.7-r0_armv4t.ipk is what you'll most likely want |
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| 18:39.59 | ebbe | Savago: Nothing is really working right now, but I hope it will in the next few days |
| 18:40.01 | abraxa_ | Savago: Please be aware that there are different software stacks available and they all offer different feature sets |
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| 18:40.19 | Savago | How is sync being done? Is it using EDS? |
| 18:40.48 | abraxa_ | Savago: 2007.2 does, others not so |
| 18:41.30 | Savago | abraxa_ && ebbe: and what about google contacts? |
| 18:41.39 | ebbe | I'm creating a module-like synchronization, so it will be extendible to many different servers/files |
| 18:42.04 | abraxa_ | ebbe: For 2007.2? Or what are you creating that for? |
| 18:42.09 | ebbe | Maybe I'll do contacts when I'm done |
| 18:42.33 | Savago | ebbe, so, if I got it correctly, you are doing that for EDS? |
| 18:42.41 | Savago | What about opensync? |
| 18:42.42 | Savago | :-) |
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| 18:43.06 | ebbe | abraxa_: I'm creating it for everything.. It's in python, and with modules to someday support EDS and Google |
| 18:43.40 | abraxa_ | ebbe: Mind elaborating a little? Maybe a collaboration makes sense. |
| 18:43.44 | ebbe | But right now it's only Google and a ics-file |
| 18:44.57 | MarcOChapeau | good evening |
| 18:45.10 | Savago | I had being playing with google data protocols in the last months. |
| 18:45.13 | MarcOChapeau | I have to confess something... |
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| 18:45.20 | ebbe | abraxa_: I'll first make a simple backend, and then people can make modules for it |
| 18:45.28 | MarcOChapeau | is touching a freerunner with his bare hands |
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| 18:45.52 | MarcOChapeau | sorry, I really had to do that :-) |
| 18:45.58 | abraxa_ | ebbe: What is the end result? A contact manager? |
| 18:46.19 | ebbe | abraxa_: Calendar synchronization |
| 18:46.23 | Tanuva | MarcOChapeau: I was like this yesterday, too. really nice feeling, isnt it? :) |
| 18:46.23 | Savago | ebbe, is it OSS/Freesoftware? |
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| 18:46.36 | ebbe | Savago: Of course :) |
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| 18:47.05 | abraxa_ | ebbe: Hm, okay. Reason I'm asking is because I'm constructing the new PIM infrastructure and I'd hate to see duplicate efforts. |
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| 18:47.21 | MarcOChapeau | Tanuva: he, yeah. I'm fighting a bit with the software, but the hardware looks neat |
| 18:47.32 | Savago | ebbe, I just don't get the scope of your project... it implements google data protocol only? |
| 18:47.38 | ebbe | abraxa_: I'm waiting with anything specific for the Neo |
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| 18:47.45 | Savago | Or it handle synchronization too? |
| 18:47.51 | Tanuva | MarcOChapeau: same here. wifi and gps dont want like i want them to, but its all gonna fit someday.. :D |
| 18:48.31 | abraxa_ | ebbe: Makes sense. Calendar has to wait a bit anyway for me, so maybe you can gain some experience in the meanwhile. |
| 18:48.32 | MarcOChapeau | Tanuva: I'm testing stuff from the command line. that's the most reliable we have now, and I don't really mind |
| 18:48.34 | Tanuva | *shuddering* my neo plays music... :] |
| 18:48.53 | Savago | abraxa_, are you envolved with this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PIM_Storage |
| 18:48.54 | Savago | ? |
| 18:48.55 | ebbe | Savago: Don't know how else to explain it |
| 18:48.55 | Savago | :-) |
| 18:49.02 | Tanuva | MarcOChapeau: yep, bless the usb networking :D |
| 18:49.34 | abraxa_ | Savago: Yeah. Though it's http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework#PIM to be more precise (the PIM Storage page is out-of-date for now) |
| 18:49.51 | ebbe | It will be extendible with modules to support the new framework for OM. Right now I'm just making modules for Google and ics-files |
| 18:50.11 | ebbe | This way I can test it alot on my own computer |
| 18:50.20 | MarcOChapeau | Tanuva: oh, my mouse is 3 pixels away from a tangogps ipkg... |
| 18:50.45 | Tanuva | MarcOChapeau: opkg install tangogps does the job, no mouse needed. but I wont get a fix here yet.. |
| 18:51.05 | Savago | abraxa_, this concept of intelligent storage remember Akonadi. |
| 18:51.11 | Tanuva | (provided you have forwarding enabled on your host) |
| 18:51.45 | abraxa_ | Savago: Akonadi... *shudders*. I read a research paper about it and couldn't help but shake my head, I'm afraid |
| 18:51.54 | Savago | Eheheheheh... |
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| 18:52.04 | Savago | abraxa_, I assume that you are coding in C? |
| 18:52.07 | ebbe | Savago: Do you understand what I'm making now? |
| 18:52.15 | MarcOChapeau | Tanuva: ah, nice. that's what I ws looking for |
| 18:52.38 | abraxa_ | Savago: Python - if it works as desired and is too slow, I'll add parts in C to remove bottlenecks |
| 18:52.38 | Savago | ebbe, more or less. Do you have a webpage? Or maybe the svn/git/whatever? |
| 18:53.20 | Savago | abraxa_, I had being developing an ANSI C library to handle google calendar and contacts. |
| 18:53.33 | ebbe | Savago: I have a git, but my code is still too ugly yet, as I've only started the day before yesterday |
| 18:53.34 | Savago | old school... |
| 18:53.35 | Savago | :-D |
| 18:53.47 | ebbe | Savago: I'll make it available soon |
| 18:53.57 | abraxa_ | Savago: That might come in handy as a reference. Did you publish it somewhere? |
| 18:54.06 | Savago | ebbe, release it early! :-) |
| 18:54.14 | Savago | abraxa_, http://libgcal.googlecode.com/ |
| 18:54.26 | Savago | Its BSD licensed. |
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| 18:54.32 | ebbe | Savago: Yes yes! I know :) Tomorrow maybe |
| 18:54.48 | Savago | I'm planning to integrate it in something that would do the sync part. |
| 18:54.55 | Savago | Since talking with google server is done. |
| 18:55.00 | abraxa_ | Savago: Thank you, I'll bookmark it |
| 18:55.27 | Savago | abraxa_, had you considered using opensync? |
| 18:55.37 | ecraven | abraxa_: looks interesting :) |
| 18:56.13 | abraxa_ | Savago: Yeah. Quite honestly, syncing is out of my scope for the next few weeks as I need to get the core parts going first |
| 18:56.28 | Savago | abraxa_, what is missing? |
| 18:56.51 | abraxa_ | Savago: Everything? I'm starting from scratch :) |
| 18:57.04 | Savago | Ah... ok. |
| 18:57.22 | Savago | Does it need to be done in python? (I mean, the google protocol part...)? |
| 18:58.05 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r53bccb703a7b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 18:58.05 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: refactor MUXing knowledge out of gsm.VirtualChannel into the specific modems |
| 18:58.05 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: as factory function 'pathfactory'. |
| 18:58.34 | abraxa_ | Savago: You wrote a library, so writing a wrapper for it to be used in python shouldn't be a problem |
| 18:58.54 | Savago | yeah, I think so. :-) |
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| 19:00.10 | abraxa_ | Savago: If you'd like to know why I didn't make use of EDS, feel free to have a look at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003379.html |
| 19:00.46 | Savago | checking... |
| 19:01.34 | ebbe | Ahh, yes, I started that thread.. :) |
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| 19:02.13 | abraxa_ | ebbe: Oh, that was you? Haha, nice to get to talk to you then :) |
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| 19:02.40 | ebbe | abraxa_: And now you know why I asked. |
| 19:02.48 | abraxa_ | Indeed |
| 19:02.54 | timo_ffm | Hi all |
| 19:03.56 | abraxa_ | ebbe: I personally dislike the current situation (I know people want to get going with development) but at the same time I don't want to see people put effort into work that will become obsolete later on. It might disappoint them and drive them away from Openmoko. |
| 19:03.56 | timo_ffm | hey anybody there who knows details about the sound system on the freerunner |
| 19:04.10 | abraxa_ | ebbe: Hence why I'm so verbose on these issues |
| 19:04.15 | SpeedEvil | timo_ffm: yes |
| 19:04.34 | ebbe | abraxa_: I understand completely |
| 19:05.13 | Savago | abraxa_, do you have published your code somewhere? |
| 19:05.13 | timo_ffm | I just compiled pjsip on my phone it is a sip implementation and it works but i coud not connect it to the right sound device |
| 19:05.23 | abraxa_ | ebbe: However, if you can gain experience with calendars that we can draw from, that's good. |
| 19:05.41 | SpeedEvil | timo_ffm: the sound syste is unfortunately complex. |
| 19:06.03 | timo_ffm | i see openmoko used pulseaudio server |
| 19:06.09 | SpeedEvil | timo_ffm: there are three A/Ds, two D/As, and 96 mixers. |
| 19:06.13 | abraxa_ | Savago: Not at the moment, as the API isn't stable yet. I don't want to put something out there that keeps on breaking people's clients and confuses them. |
| 19:06.18 | timo_ffm | the madplayer do not play audio files at my phnoe |
| 19:06.51 | timo_ffm | ok |
| 19:07.25 | timo_ffm | hmm |
| 19:07.27 | SpeedEvil | search the wiki for sound state |
| 19:09.07 | Savago | abraxa_, release early + release often. ;-) |
| 19:10.52 | ecraven | if i have a recipe (for example scummvm.bb), how do i create an ipkg? |
| 19:12.43 | Tanuva | does the om stack rely on having no root password set? (-> will it break if I set one?) |
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| 19:13.53 | abraxa_ | Savago: I will, in due time :) |
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| 19:19.41 | Dave | ecraven, still around? |
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| 19:19.58 | Dave | Are we porting games to the phone now? :D |
| 19:20.37 | Dave | damn I need to speed up the readings from the accel |
| 19:21.16 | ecraven | aye |
| 19:21.24 | ecraven | hehe, the main reason i got an FR is scummvm!! |
| 19:21.31 | Dave | haha, hot :P |
| 19:21.39 | ecraven | i want to get the ASU running asap, then work on that |
| 19:21.45 | ecraven | i don't like gnome much for programming, i prefer qt |
| 19:21.46 | Dave | I'm still fooling with the accelerometer :P |
| 19:21.50 | Dave | ah |
| 19:21.56 | Dave | good luck |
| 19:22.01 | ecraven | did you get neod recompiled? |
| 19:22.09 | Dave | I tried it first, and it essentially took a dump in my face :D |
| 19:22.09 | Tanuva | ahm. I'm just reading the discussion about sdcard detection/kernel modules on the devel-ml. why do we have to "detect" if a sd-card is inserted? we can't get it in there while the device is running anyway.... |
| 19:22.28 | Dave | ecraven, nah, but was working on it earlier until I had a 1.5hr meeting -_- |
| 19:22.34 | Dave | which I just got out of :P |
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| 19:23.44 | Dave | Anyhow, time for some lunch, and then more Freerunner fun! |
| 19:23.49 | Dave | and frustration ;) |
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| 19:30.23 | BitWraith | does anybody know if the freerunner can be overclocked? I haven't seen it working yet, s for all I know 400Mhz might be enough, but I am curious. |
| 19:31.22 | Tanuva | I wouldnt risk that. you cant take the nearest soldering iron and get a new cpu... |
| 19:31.28 | Dave | Yes, I believe you can have it run at 500MHz |
| 19:31.30 | Dave | :x |
| 19:31.43 | Dave | I know you can make it get hot :D |
| 19:31.45 | TAsn | BitWraith, would you really want to consume more power? ;) |
| 19:31.51 | Tanuva | :D |
| 19:31.54 | zash | but that wont work wery well due to bus clocks |
| 19:31.58 | Tanuva | I would rather think of underclocking id |
| 19:32.00 | Tanuva | *it |
| 19:32.03 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rcb0bd076617b 10/framework/ (7 files in 4 dirs): ogsmd: add skeleton for Motorola EZX modem support, see http://www.openezx.org |
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| 19:32.16 | TAsn | Tanuva, lol yeah :) |
| 19:32.19 | ecraven | Dave: i'll join in on the frustration when i flash ASU, and everything breaks ;) |
| 19:32.29 | zash | isnt there a slow mode, 12Mhz? |
| 19:32.37 | ecraven | out of interest, what happens if i flash a broken uboot? how do i recover? |
| 19:33.04 | Tanuva | dunno... but maybe just enough to have it play some mp3s and do *nothing* else (except waiting for calls etc, but no fast gui) |
| 19:33.15 | Tanuva | ecraven: from the NOR uboot |
| 19:33.36 | BitWraith | I hve a 416Mhz Zauru now, and I think it is a little on the slow side... but it has more work to do because it has no hw accel... it's on a framebuffer. |
| 19:33.57 | Tanuva | the glamo just does really basic acceleration until now |
| 19:34.39 | BitWraith | aside from file storage, keyboard, and USB the specs are the same or better on the FR |
| 19:35.13 | BitWraith | does FR have USB (maybe OTG) for syncing? |
| 19:35.39 | Tanuva | afaik usb is only network-able, no mass storage if you mean that |
| 19:36.26 | BitWraith | OTG means it becomes a host port or peripherals when the proper adapter is used |
| 19:36.28 | mjr | Network by default, but sure you can use it as mass storage. Need to unmount the volume on the neo side though; networking is more flexible. |
| 19:36.40 | mjr | it's not OTG, but it can act as a host |
| 19:37.08 | BitWraith | it is... networking seems to work better on the Z as well, but d0z3 machines can't handle it without hacking |
| 19:37.17 | buffet | any idea how soon can we expect 900Mhz version from web store? |
| 19:37.47 | Tanuva | mjr: but which volume would be accessible then? the sdcard? |
| 19:38.49 | BitWraith | I have one more tupid question: what kind of graphics subsytem does it use? X11? QT? something you guys came up with? |
| 19:38.53 | mjr | Tanuva, any partition or image you want |
| 19:38.58 | mjr | BitWraith, X11 |
| 19:39.11 | BitWraith | w00t :-) |
| 19:39.44 | mjr | (note that there's no gooey stuff for anything mass storageish, but the kernel support is there) |
| 19:40.36 | lindi- | BitWraith: if you have vnc you can try my emulated openmoko over internet |
| 19:41.11 | BitWraith | I wonder how it does with basic GL apps... ex, bzflag. I know that's pushing it, but it would be awesome |
| 19:41.47 | Qwell | might require a bit of porting. Ask TimRiker :D |
| 19:41.55 | BitWraith | lindi-, I believe I do have vnc installed here, although I haven't used it on *nix before |
| 19:42.10 | Qwell | (I assume he still maintains bzflag) |
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| 19:43.59 | bkruse | Qwell: ! |
| 19:44.04 | Qwell | bkruse: ! |
| 19:44.17 | bkruse | invites jbot into openmoko |
| 19:44.28 | Qwell | apt: jbot |
| 19:44.29 | apt | hmm... jbot is a hack!, or known to have only said one useful thing. a tool, or dating the fembots, or [TK]D-Fender's b*tch, or suck, or a pain in the ass |
| 19:44.40 | Qwell | a bot with many names... |
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| 19:46.50 | bkruse | Qwell: Nice. |
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| 20:00.02 | torpor | yo |
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| 20:05.26 | benlake | Are they slow on shipping or did we buy backordered product? |
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| 20:06.31 | ecraven | do i need to be in the nand boot menu, to use dfu-util? |
| 20:06.53 | pthorin | benlake: I believe they are shipping as fast as new units become available, they are still being produced |
| 20:07.17 | Tanuva | ecraven: the getting started page says: "only flash from nor uboot" |
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| 20:09.20 | benlake | I see. |
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| 20:12.02 | pthorin | benlake: I ordered mine on June 29 and got it today from handheld-linux.com |
| 20:12.43 | benlake | I ordered mine on openmoko.com July 4, w/ overnight shipping |
| 20:13.14 | benlake | so was just wondering when the box is going to get sealed :P |
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| 20:13.18 | Dave | ecraven, for flashing? |
| 20:13.26 | ecraven | Dave: aye |
| 20:13.27 | hirolau | hmm, the gsm 900 model is not avaliable at the store, is it sold out, not manifactured yet or only sold though retailers? |
| 20:13.59 | Dave | boot into NOR |
| 20:14.09 | Dave | then run dfu-util to flash the phone |
| 20:14.10 | kdean06 | hirolau, Sold out. |
| 20:14.21 | ecraven | it doesn't work in NAND flash? |
| 20:14.34 | kdean06 | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/252142/freerunner_linux_phone_sells_more_way |
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| 20:16.24 | Tanuva | aaahm... my gtk-neo just "closed its eye" which rises a question: asu has some menu to do it, but how to I set blank/suspend-time in the gtk-stack? |
| 20:17.06 | hirolau | ohh, too bad, I want one |
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| 20:18.14 | p0seidon23 | hi there! has anybody tangoGPS running on a freerunner? |
| 20:18.18 | p0seidon23 | it just wont work for me# |
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| 20:19.21 | abraxa_ | p0seidon23: Works here. Did you install gpsd or gypsy? |
| 20:19.40 | p0seidon23 | gpds |
| 20:19.43 | p0seidon23 | gpsd |
| 20:20.00 | p0seidon23 | im not sure wether i need this on freerunner |
| 20:20.21 | wurp2|away | Tanuva: afaik there is no way on the gtk stack |
| 20:20.25 | Tanuva | gpsd seems to work here, I just cant get a fix... but didnt try too intensively yet |
| 20:20.32 | Tanuva | wurp2|away: hmm... |
| 20:20.37 | wurp2|away | p0seidon23: Have you checked that you're getting a gps fix? |
| 20:20.38 | abraxa_ | p0seidon23: You do, as the GPS hardware doesn't provide access over UDP sockets |
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| 20:20.58 | p0seidon23 | if i use the AGPS tool from openmoko I get a fix |
| 20:21.01 | Tanuva | wurp2|away: seems like I have to write some media player for asu :D |
| 20:21.06 | wurp2|away | Tanuva: There is probably a config file or gconfd interface somewhere for it, but I've never seen it mentioned |
| 20:21.11 | p0seidon23 | but tangoGPS still does not show any values |
| 20:21.24 | wurp2|away | p0seidon23: Is your gpsd config pointed to /dev/ttySAC1 (or maybe it's 0, not sure, I don't have a FR) |
| 20:21.28 | wurp2|away | I have a gta01 |
| 20:21.39 | p0seidon23 | config is to dev/ttySAC1 |
| 20:21.57 | wurp2|away | p0seidon23: Then I dunno what's wrong :-( |
| 20:22.18 | wurp2|away | p0seidon23: Can you config tangogps to look directly at nmea output? If so, make it look directly at ttySAC1 |
| 20:22.21 | p0seidon23 | or is it a problem to have the APGS tool and the gpsd running at the same time ? |
| 20:22.38 | p0seidon23 | thx wurp2 |
| 20:22.42 | wurp2|away | p0seidon23: I don't think so, but try it without :-) |
| 20:22.51 | p0seidon23 | i will investigate further |
| 20:22.54 | wurp2|away | Tanuva: Or use GTK |
| 20:23.06 | p0seidon23 | but it's hard. i can only test outdoors ;-) |
| 20:23.33 | wurp2|away | Tanuva: Or can you not tolerate the suspend interval on gtk? I did't think phone calls worked at all reliably on ASU, but it's been a while since I've heard a report |
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| 20:23.54 | abraxa_ | p0seidon23: Power up the GPS and try a "gpsd -n -N -D 2 /dev/ttySAC1". It should show you the NMEA output |
| 20:24.03 | p0seidon23 | ok, will try |
| 20:24.23 | Tanuva | wurp2|away: I would like to set it depending on if Im out or if the neo is connected to my pc anyway - the former requires shorter blank times :) |
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| 20:24.38 | SpeedEvil | or cat /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 20:24.41 | Tanuva | but since we would want to change to asu at some point anyway... |
| 20:24.44 | SpeedEvil | A cat is fine too. |
| 20:25.09 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Indeed, though I'd like to know whether gpsd works for him |
| 20:25.28 | wurp2|away | Tanuva: You probably don't want to suspend at all connected to the PC... |
| 20:25.35 | Tanuva | wurp2|away: thats my point |
| 20:25.47 | wurp2|away | Tanuva: I think we want to change to SHR ;-) |
| 20:26.01 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: Yeah - cat is most basic, and doens't need configured. |
| 20:26.23 | Tanuva | wurp2|away: if this thing is starting to really exist... |
| 20:26.34 | wurp2|away | We do still need another media player, regardless. |
| 20:26.39 | Tanuva | I would prefer fso, but that will take some more time |
| 20:26.42 | wurp2|away | Tanuva: not yet :-( |
| 20:26.53 | wurp2|away | Tanuva: SHR is FSO + gtk apps |
| 20:26.57 | ecraven | why shr, and not asu? |
| 20:27.00 | wurp2|away | s/is/will be/ |
| 20:27.19 | wurp2|away | ecraven: 'cause shr will be on FSO's backbone before ASU is |
| 20:27.26 | p0seidon23 | tangoGPS connected correctly to gpsd and also provides gps time |
| 20:27.27 | Tanuva | ecraven: because fso has a much better backbone |
| 20:27.39 | ezekiel-v3 | wow, apt - that's pretty special |
| 20:27.41 | ecraven | now if i knew what fso was.. *blush* |
| 20:27.48 | ezekiel-v3 | good lil infobot |
| 20:27.53 | Tanuva | s/has/will have/ |
| 20:27.58 | Tanuva | apt works :] |
| 20:28.06 | ecraven | p0seidon23: that's how far i got, no fix forever.. |
| 20:28.07 | abraxa_ | p0seidon23: Then you're set. Try holding the FR to the window, it should get a fix within minutes |
| 20:28.29 | ecraven | abraxa_: i tried, no fix after 10 minutes outside, almost no clouds, no houses within 50 metres |
| 20:28.31 | p0seidon23 | ok thanks. i will try |
| 20:28.41 | ecraven | does tangogps work on asu? |
| 20:28.45 | abraxa_ | ecraven: Did you see Steve's mail on community about that? |
| 20:28.50 | ecraven | "that"? |
| 20:29.05 | abraxa_ | ecraven: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/020961.html |
| 20:30.05 | Tanuva | hmm... ttySAC0 is the only one (of three) ttySACs that outputs anything - set /etc/defaults/gpsd to point at it, but gpsd still complains about it not being a gps device... |
| 20:30.23 | ecraven | i think the gps is ttySAC1, not 0 |
| 20:30.48 | p0seidon23 | ecraven: right, gps is SAC1 |
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| 20:31.14 | Tanuva | ah damn, I powered the chip down with the test tool, there cant be coming anything out of it |
| 20:31.18 | wurp2|away | Tanuva: Actually, the FSO backbone is the most stable for calls & suspend/resume on GSM right now |
| 20:31.50 | wurp2|away | Which is why we're working on SHR right now, so we can have stable calls + reasonable battery life + the stuff we had in 2007.2 |
| 20:31.51 | ecraven | hehe, i like the boots while booting.. |
| 20:31.54 | Tanuva | wurp2|away: which makes it interesting as a backup-like sd-dualboot-solution... |
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| 20:32.15 | cl0s | anybody using an openmoko on at&t? |
| 20:32.15 | wurp2|away | And eventually + the gui toolkits that ASU adds, although it may not be shr by that point |
| 20:32.24 | wurp2|away | Tanuva: yeah, that's a great idea |
| 20:32.26 | Tanuva | wurp2|away: Im looking forward to that... having concurrent stacks isnt really optimal |
| 20:32.30 | wurp2|away | cl0s: I do |
| 20:32.32 | wurp2|away | Not FR |
| 20:32.44 | aevin | is it normal to get messages of «$GPTXT,01,01,01,NMEA unknown msg*58» from the ublox gps /dev/ttySAC1 when receiving no satellites? |
| 20:32.53 | cl0s | wurp2|away: you get Internet with the Media Max data palns? |
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| 20:32.59 | wurp2|away | cl0s: exactly |
| 20:33.05 | ecraven | aevin: i get that too |
| 20:33.10 | ecraven | and i've seen others report it |
| 20:33.15 | wurp2|away | cl0s: I put the connection config on the wiki's gprs page |
| 20:33.29 | cl0s | like browsing, downloading, if i hook it up to my pc (and set it up) i can use it as a wireless router kinda..? |
| 20:33.43 | cl0s | thanks wurp2|away, where do you live by the way if you dont mind me asking.. |
| 20:33.57 | Avenged-Revenge | has anyone done anything with the accelerometers? |
| 20:34.01 | wurp2|away | Yep to the first two, for the last one, that's FR specific, but on a point-2-point network it should work |
| 20:34.04 | cl0s | link also.. thanks :) |
| 20:34.09 | SpeedEvil | aevin: yhes |
| 20:34.14 | SpeedEvil | aevin: till it gets sats |
| 20:34.23 | wurp2|away | Avenged-Revenge: Check out the Google Summer of Code pages on the wiki |
| 20:34.38 | wurp2|away | cl0s: Dallas/Fort Worth area, Texas |
| 20:34.44 | SpeedEvil | aevin: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS#GTA02_GPS |
| 20:34.59 | wurp2|away | cl0s, Avenged-Revenge: google site:wiki.openmoko.org <search terms> for URLs :-) |
| 20:34.59 | aevin | SpeedEvil: okay, thanks for your help :) |
| 20:35.26 | Avenged-Revenge | wurp2|away: thanks |
| 20:35.58 | TAsn | truebox has more mokos for the 18th shipment :) |
| 20:36.04 | wurp2|away | Avenged-Revenge: welcome :-) |
| 20:36.11 | cl0s | wurp2|away: thanks, u convinced me.. im in jersey but im getting mine |
| 20:36.16 | TAsn | though i think i will just for the us to have a 900 phone and buy it there. :) |
| 20:37.05 | TAsn | just wait* |
| 20:37.13 | wurp2|away | cl0s: excellent |
| 20:37.27 | wurp2|away | cl0s: You know calls are not 100% stable right now unless you run FSO? |
| 20:37.37 | wurp2|away | And if you run FSO, calls & suspend/resume is all you get |
| 20:37.44 | wurp2|away | well, plus sshd |
| 20:38.06 | wurp2|away | And whatever you can install & hack into working on there, which afaik no one has done any of |
| 20:38.09 | ecraven | hm.. i like asu :) |
| 20:38.19 | wurp2|away | ecraven: You are running it? |
| 20:38.27 | ecraven | yes, just flashed the images of today |
| 20:38.31 | cl0s | not sure what FSO is but as long as most the time i can make and recieve calls even if it drops im cool with it |
| 20:38.33 | ecraven | i'll try with gsm in a minute |
| 20:38.40 | wurp2|away | Calls, sms, suspend/resume work? |
| 20:38.43 | ecraven | no idea :) |
| 20:38.45 | cl0s | oo |
| 20:38.46 | wurp2|away | cl0s: You can do that |
| 20:38.46 | SpeedEvil | FSO is the way of the future! |
| 20:38.50 | SpeedEvil | In theory |
| 20:38.50 | ecraven | how do i test suspend/resume? |
| 20:38.52 | wurp2|away | ecraven: heh |
| 20:38.59 | cjb | I think suspend/resume still has problems/crashes |
| 20:39.01 | SpeedEvil | Everything will get moved to FSO. |
| 20:39.01 | ecraven | i'll try calls and sms in a minute, need to put a sim in |
| 20:39.05 | wurp2|away | ecraven: Try holding down the power button |
| 20:39.18 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: I think everything will get rebased on FSO |
| 20:39.22 | cl0s | alright cool.. def worth it for having an open phone.. |
| 20:39.23 | wurp2|away | I think FSO will remain pure-ish |
| 20:39.31 | wurp2|away | cl0s: I love mine |
| 20:39.33 | ecraven | hm.. no gps app for asu ;( |
| 20:39.33 | wurp2|away | Most of the time ;-) |
| 20:39.48 | wurp2|away | ecraven: You should be able to opgk install tangogps, no? |
| 20:40.04 | cl0s | lol cant be too different than a linux pc |
| 20:40.05 | cl0s | hah |
| 20:40.06 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.18 | ecraven | eh, my fault, wrong resolv.conf |
| 20:40.41 | ecraven | wurp2|away: that menu has nothing about suspend/resume |
| 20:41.14 | TAsn | wow, cool to be a candian, southpark were wrong! OM there is even cheaper than in the us, 400 candian |
| 20:41.14 | TAsn | $ |
| 20:41.28 | nuclear_eclipse | cries |
| 20:41.34 | TAsn | or maybe that's without vat, well what the heck :) |
| 20:41.52 | Tanuva | hmm. /etc/defaults/gpsd points at /dev/ttySAC1 and the tty produces some unfixed-gps-like output, but gpsd still says "no gps device"... |
| 20:42.27 | swc|666 | wonders when the hell OM is going to ship his order #1513 |
| 20:42.31 | SpeedEvil | tanner_: the GPS output the thing spits out before a lock contains no recognised GPS sentances. |
| 20:42.32 | nuclear_eclipse | I never even thought I'd see the day where you canucks would break the $.75C -> $1US mark... :P |
| 20:42.44 | wurp2|away | ecraven: Then I guess you don't have suspend/resume :-( |
| 20:42.50 | nuclear_eclipse | and now all of a sudden yours is worth *more*!! |
| 20:42.52 | SpeedEvil | tanner_: So GPSd probably won't detect it as a GPS device. |
| 20:43.15 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: Who the hell's idea was that? ;-) |
| 20:43.18 | ecraven | wurp2|away: it just says shut down |
| 20:43.24 | Tanuva | SpeedEvil: you mean me, dont you? :) |
| 20:43.43 | Tanuva | SpeedEvil: so I dont need to try to start gpsd before I got a fix. |
| 20:43.49 | wurp2|away | ecraven: You could do it from the terminal if you look up the right place to echo to on the wiki |
| 20:43.49 | SpeedEvil | Tanuva:" yes |
| 20:44.09 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|away: idea was what? |
| 20:44.12 | wurp2|away | Tanuva: You'll get used to SpeedEvil's bad tab completion if you stay here very long ;-) |
| 20:44.21 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: Bad nmea sentences before fix |
| 20:44.24 | SpeedEvil | I usually get better. |
| 20:44.37 | Tanuva | wurp2|away: *fg* |
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| 20:44.43 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: Are you using irssi? |
| 20:44.56 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|away: BitchX - that's not the issue though. |
| 20:45.00 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: 'cause mine's smart enough to tab complete correctly almost always unless I fat finger |
| 20:45.01 | ecraven | ah, why is tangogps.org down right now :( |
| 20:45.13 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|away: The issue is I just type ccc: and then assume it'll complete right. |
| 20:45.22 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: hah! |
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| 20:45.36 | nuclear_eclipse | is there a way to get irssi to tab complete ordering by last-message time rather than alphabetical? |
| 20:45.36 | wurp2|away | So you don't see the completion until we do? |
| 20:45.52 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|away: no - that'd be another press of the tab key. |
| 20:45.55 | Tanuva | wurp2|away: im using irssi, but I take a look at what got completed *g* |
| 20:46.01 | wurp2|away | nuclear_eclipse: I think mine is... and I didn't do anything to make it work that way. |
| 20:46.08 | fengshaun | what would I need to know to develop applications for openmoko? |
| 20:46.18 | fengshaun | in terms of languages! |
| 20:46.19 | wurp2|away | fengshaun: python |
| 20:46.23 | wurp2|away | fengshaun: Or C |
| 20:46.27 | ecraven | does anyone have an ipkg of the newest tangogps? |
| 20:46.27 | SpeedEvil | fengshaun: or dd |
| 20:46.27 | Tanuva | or c++ |
| 20:46.29 | Qwell | or sh |
| 20:46.30 | wurp2|away | fengshaun: Or lisp |
| 20:46.30 | fengshaun | c++? |
| 20:46.31 | fengshaun | oh yea |
| 20:46.34 | Qwell | SpeedEvil: dd? |
| 20:46.36 | wurp2|away | fengshaun: Or anything else you can get ported to it |
| 20:46.41 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: http://www.mauve.plus.com/tangogps_0.9.0.3-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 20:46.48 | fengshaun | ok |
| 20:46.53 | Qwell | or awk if you're real leet |
| 20:46.57 | fengshaun | that's good, so would Qt4 apps work? |
| 20:46.59 | wurp2|away | It's an itty bitty linux box |
| 20:47.02 | wurp2|away | that makes phone calls |
| 20:47.09 | wurp2|away | fengshaun: in ASU, they should |
| 20:47.09 | fengshaun | or do I need to make changes to the source? |
| 20:47.18 | fengshaun | what is ASU now? |
| 20:47.22 | SpeedEvil | fengshaun: for some things, yes. |
| 20:47.24 | wurp2|away | fengshaun: One of the releases |
| 20:47.31 | fengshaun | ok |
| 20:47.35 | fengshaun | good |
| 20:47.41 | wurp2|away | like debian v. redhat, except they mostly all come from the same company |
| 20:48.06 | wurp2|away | and are either nowhere near as stable or nowhere near as featureful, take your choice ;-) |
| 20:48.09 | fengshaun | and is there any good documentation regarding the API, so I would be able to develop something on top of for example the maps or use GPS? |
| 20:48.22 | fengshaun | sdk* |
| 20:48.26 | mjr | what maps? |
| 20:48.35 | fengshaun | maps application |
| 20:48.47 | Virusmaster | oh man... can someone give me a hint, how to operate the underground image? :) i just dont get it... |
| 20:48.53 | SpeedEvil | fengshaun: there isn't a maps application |
| 20:49.06 | SpeedEvil | fengshaun: tangogps is it - well - there are others that may run on it |
| 20:49.28 | fengshaun | ook, so can my apps interact with those? |
| 20:49.34 | SpeedEvil | fengshaun: well - ... |
| 20:49.35 | cl0s | be nice if someone built a little app using tiles from http://www.openstreetmap.org/ and some pymap thing the already got :) |
| 20:49.50 | SpeedEvil | cl0s: tangogps pretty much is that |
| 20:49.50 | cl0s | they* |
| 20:49.56 | SpeedEvil | cl0s: a moving map app. |
| 20:50.01 | wurp2|away | fengshaun: Documentation? I heard of that, once. |
| 20:50.09 | Tanuva | lol |
| 20:50.11 | SpeedEvil | fengshaun: you can download the source code of tangogps and hack on it. |
| 20:50.15 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: Navit will run on it |
| 20:50.16 | cl0s | nice, just needs to be ported for better look/feel on the moko? |
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| 20:50.20 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: Pretty well |
| 20:50.25 | OJW | cl0s: like http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Rana ? |
| 20:50.26 | SpeedEvil | fengshaun: or just read the output of GPSd, and use your own program. |
| 20:50.40 | ecraven | SpeedEvil: thanks! (9.1 came out a few days ago, too, i think) |
| 20:50.42 | SpeedEvil | gfen: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS |
| 20:50.44 | cl0s | oo they got a pic of the openmoko right on thier site.. lol |
| 20:50.46 | fengshaun | ook, thanks guys! |
| 20:50.47 | cl0s | their* |
| 20:50.52 | fengshaun | thanks for the link too :) |
| 20:50.54 | SpeedEvil | fengshaun: that's got a list of programs |
| 20:51.07 | fengshaun | thanks! |
| 20:51.14 | mjr | fengshaun, basically you're expecting more order and less chaos than there currently is |
| 20:51.44 | fengshaun | hahahaha yea |
| 20:51.50 | wurp2|away | I actually prefer navit to tangogps, except that every time I upgrade I have to edit my navit.xml config and/or delete cached files that it no longer understands :-( |
| 20:52.40 | mjr | navit can route, which is a plus... (yeah yeah, don't start with me about osm data being suboptimal for that) |
| 20:52.41 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/tangogps_0.9.2-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 20:52.55 | SpeedEvil | starts. |
| 20:53.01 | SpeedEvil | (0.92) |
| 20:53.08 | SpeedEvil | Odd that some people can't hit the site. |
| 20:53.19 | Tanuva | simply got it from the repository |
| 20:54.38 | *** part/#openmoko dwb (n=david@pdpc/supporter/active/dwb) |
| 20:54.53 | wurp2|away | mjr: And navit's data is much smaller for the same region than full top-to-bottom data files for tangogps |
| 20:55.09 | wurp2|away | mjr: And for me, bottom on tangogps is level 15, not whatever the actual bottom is |
| 20:55.20 | mjr | wurp, 's true. How's navit's speed nowadays? |
| 20:55.34 | ecraven | does the ASU include a gtk stack? |
| 20:55.47 | Dave | uhh, don't think so :x |
| 20:55.49 | mjr | what do you mean "stack" |
| 20:55.55 | mjr | it'll run gtk apps |
| 20:55.57 | ecraven | do gtk apps work? |
| 20:56.12 | ecraven | because thomas' python demo app doesn't seem to start |
| 20:56.17 | Dave | ecraven, what other things have you discover? |
| 20:56.27 | Dave | ecraven, did you explicitly install pygtk? :P |
| 20:56.30 | wurp2|away | mjr: I dunno, it's been a couple of months since I used it. I got tired of updating the xml & hunting down & deleting cached intermediate files |
| 20:56.32 | ecraven | yes, of course |
| 20:56.36 | Dave | oh |
| 20:56.38 | Dave | then hrm |
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| 20:56.47 | ecraven | and it's python-pygtk :-P |
| 20:56.52 | Dave | I know :D |
| 20:56.53 | wurp2|away | mjr: It was fine for me all along, except when routing, then it was slow, but not quite unusably slow |
| 20:56.59 | Dave | I found that out this morning ;) |
| 20:57.04 | Dave | throws a freerunner at ecraven |
| 20:57.06 | Dave | bah! |
| 20:57.31 | mjr | wurp, well, I'll grant that the version I tried (from an ipkg) did do a _lot_ of faulting for emulated instructions :] |
| 20:57.35 | OJW | ecraven: people have been running rana and pyroute (pygtk-based apps) on openmoko |
| 20:57.51 | cl0s | throw me onee |
| 20:58.17 | cl0s | oops |
| 20:58.25 | wurp2|away | mjr: Oh, yeah, that happened to me if I tried menu options |
| 20:58.27 | SpeedEvil | passes Dave a ICBM, and a suitable reentry vehicle. |
| 20:58.44 | wurp2|away | mjr: That was much better towards the end, though. I think it had stopped altogether, or at least wasn't consistently repeatable |
| 20:58.54 | cl0s | rana & pyroute dont give you directions though... just by the looks of it havent tried... |
| 20:59.02 | cl0s | navit looks like the only one.. |
| 20:59.15 | wurp2|away | OJW: Were people actually *using* pyroute? 'cause it took many MINUTES to do anything on it when I tried it |
| 20:59.18 | mjr | cl0s, well they do. |
| 20:59.38 | mjr | though yeah pyroute was unusable |
| 20:59.51 | mjr | rana has reportedly been made leaner with room still, but we'll see |
| 20:59.54 | wurp2|away | OJW: I was really excited about pyroute until I tried it on the device |
| 20:59.56 | cl0s | yea i would think pyroute routed.. |
| 20:59.57 | cl0s | lol |
| 21:00.53 | ecraven | hm.. is anyone working on a different window-manager / user interface? |
| 21:01.04 | mjr | different from what? |
| 21:01.20 | kelvie_work | someone's porting KDE to the openmoko |
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| 21:01.24 | kelvie_work | if that counts |
| 21:01.26 | cl0s | ahh well wont be long till we got 3d compiz cubes on our cellphones.. developers seem excited about this.. i'm going to die waiting for mine.. |
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| 21:01.42 | ecraven | i want something simple and *fast* |
| 21:01.48 | ecraven | no need for (too many) flashy graphics |
| 21:01.53 | cl0s | gnome-embedded should port.. or matchbox would be nice.. |
| 21:02.00 | kelvie_work | there's already a termina; P |
| 21:02.01 | ecraven | matchbox is running now |
| 21:02.11 | kelvie_work | s/na;/nal |
| 21:02.14 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: I coded a nav program in a one-line awk script that might have suited you then. |
| 21:02.15 | kelvie_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.20 | cl0s | i thought they said it was e.. |
| 21:02.43 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: you entered a lat lon, and it played three audio files - left/right/straight-on |
| 21:02.45 | cl0s | enlightenment* |
| 21:02.59 | cl0s | didnt seem right to me either though.. |
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| 21:03.22 | SpeedEvil | ecraven: see also http://xkcd.com/407/ |
| 21:03.31 | mjr | cl0s, e/illume is the thing raster is working on in asu |
| 21:04.08 | wurp2|away | cl0s: That's ASU |
| 21:04.20 | wurp2|away | cl0s: 2007.2 is gtk on matchbox |
| 21:04.56 | wurp2|away | cl0s: SHR will be gtk on matchbox to start, probably adding many other toolkits (e first) after |
| 21:05.05 | cl0s | ok i googled it.. but what is exactly ASU? |
| 21:05.06 | cl0s | lol |
| 21:05.19 | SpeedEvil | apt: what is ASU? |
| 21:05.19 | apt | Password: |
| 21:05.20 | wurp2|away | April Software Update |
| 21:05.29 | Tanuva | april... *g* |
| 21:05.32 | SpeedEvil | doesn't understand that bot. |
| 21:05.35 | wurp2|away | exactly |
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| 21:05.40 | wurp2|away | apt: what is ASU |
| 21:05.40 | apt | Password: |
| 21:05.50 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: Someone corrupted him |
| 21:05.58 | SpeedEvil | Oh Noes! |
| 21:06.09 | wurp2|away | apt forget asu |
| 21:06.09 | apt | i forgot asu, wurp2|away |
| 21:06.14 | wurp2|away | apt what is asu |
| 21:06.15 | apt | Password: |
| 21:06.18 | wurp2|away | hrm |
| 21:06.31 | wurp2|away | s/hrm/is apt working at all?/ |
| 21:06.36 | wurp2|away | weird |
| 21:06.38 | OJW | wurp2|away: haven't tried it on my freerunner yet (i.e. don't have one), but Rana should be faster to load than pyroute. it is still slow to render map tiles though (but you can download tiles instead of rendering them on the phone) |
| 21:06.46 | cl0s | oh ok so its just another version? |
| 21:06.50 | cl0s | lol, thanks.. |
| 21:06.52 | wurp2|away | cl0s: yeah |
| 21:07.13 | wurp2|away | It was intended to be a quick & dirty to let people run cool E stuff and use Qtopia apps to get stable calls at first |
| 21:07.22 | wurp2|away | But it was much slower & dirtier than expected |
| 21:07.54 | cl0s | o i c |
| 21:08.02 | sitwon | I know this has probably been asked a billion times, but when will the phones actually ship out from the distributor? |
| 21:08.25 | wurp2|away | sitwon: In the US? |
| 21:08.30 | OJW | SpeedEvil: a routing program with just two audio outputs? "left" and "no, your other left" |
| 21:08.34 | wurp2|away | I thought yesterday |
| 21:08.37 | sitwon | wurp2|away: yes |
| 21:08.50 | OJW | sitwon: depends on which distrubutor? |
| 21:08.53 | swc|666 | sitwon: what is your order # |
| 21:09.13 | tessier_ | is also wondering when his US phone will arrive |
| 21:09.27 | tessier_ | I ordered it minutes after it became available on the website with 3 day shipping |
| 21:09.28 | cl0s | alright well thanks, got me really excited about finally getting mine.. i stayed with my sk for 2 and a half years so the contract ran out and i could keep my monthly plan but not have to re-do the contract for another 2 years just waiting for the openmoko.. only to find out i can only use att anyway |
| 21:09.29 | cl0s | lol |
| 21:09.45 | cjb | wonders if anyone got tracking numbers today. |
| 21:09.46 | cl0s | going home! |
| 21:09.51 | tessier_ | cjb: Not I |
| 21:09.54 | swc|666 | we got an email from OM on our 10 pack (U.S.) today... |
| 21:10.06 | *** part/#openmoko cl0s (n=carlos@smtp.musicalheritage.org) |
| 21:10.10 | cjb | swc|666: which order #? |
| 21:10.11 | swc|666 | Yes, we will send you an email notice with tracking number upon the shipment been picked up. Please allow couple days since we have so many orders to process the shipping. Thanks. |
| 21:10.14 | swc|666 | 1513 |
| 21:10.17 | sitwon | my order number is 1669 |
| 21:10.19 | cjb | huh, ok |
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| 21:11.13 | nullpuppy | swc|666: how long ago was that? |
| 21:11.21 | swc|666 | today |
| 21:11.32 | nullpuppy | well.. yeah, i meant like how recently? |
| 21:11.35 | SpeedEvil | Is it legal in the US to sell something with only a 14 day DOA warranty? |
| 21:11.40 | SpeedEvil | To a consumer? |
| 21:11.41 | nullpuppy | 5 minutes ago? 3 hours ago? |
| 21:11.50 | cjb | SpeedEvil: probably depends on state? |
| 21:11.50 | swc|666 | ummm.. .10am? |
| 21:11.52 | nullpuppy | SpeedEvil: yeah, afaik |
| 21:11.54 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 21:11.56 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 21:11.58 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: I dont' think there are any federal laws about it |
| 21:12.04 | sitwon | I ordered on July 3, are the order numbers not sequential? |
| 21:12.05 | wurp2|away | So, what cjb said |
| 21:12.09 | swc|666 | nullpuppy: did u get an email as well? |
| 21:12.10 | OJW | wonders who got order #1973 |
| 21:12.13 | Dave | Silly people |
| 21:12.16 | nullpuppy | swc|666: not that i've seen |
| 21:12.21 | nullpuppy | im 1539 |
| 21:12.35 | SpeedEvil | I note that order numbers are going up _much_ faster than the graph of apparant sales. |
| 21:12.53 | wurp2|away | swc|666: But what time zone are you in? ;-) |
| 21:12.54 | LionKMP | graph? |
| 21:13.06 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/Freerunner.gif |
| 21:13.09 | swc|666 | i think that if they are shipped out today, they will get the tracking #'s from UPS in the afternoon... but i don't know how fast they will send us the tracking info |
| 21:13.14 | cjb | SpeedEvil: perhaps rather that freerunner orders started at ~1300 or something? |
| 21:13.18 | cjb | at least, public ones |
| 21:13.20 | swc|666 | wurp|away: PST |
| 21:13.30 | SpeedEvil | This is the graph of how many FRs the shop will offer if you enter 999 in the box. |
| 21:13.30 | LionKMP | SpeedEvil: thx :) |
| 21:13.38 | cjb | oh, heh |
| 21:14.09 | nuclear_eclipse | I had order #1326, and I still haven't gotten a shipping notice or anything |
| 21:14.11 | sitwon | where are they shipping from? |
| 21:14.23 | nuclear_eclipse | Fremont, CA |
| 21:14.27 | nullpuppy | swc|666: what sort of shipping did you pay for by the way? |
| 21:14.38 | swc|666 | the groupd ordered standard |
| 21:14.45 | swc|666 | group* |
| 21:15.01 | wurp2|away | apt what is shr |
| 21:15.02 | apt | it has been said that shr is Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 21:15.06 | nullpuppy | ok. |
| 21:15.11 | wurp2|away | apt what is asu |
| 21:15.12 | apt | Password: |
| 21:15.18 | wurp2|away | That doesn't make any damn sense. |
| 21:15.22 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 21:15.28 | SpeedEvil | apt what is fdfhdkjfhdjfhdkj |
| 21:15.29 | apt | SpeedEvil: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 21:16.52 | nullpuppy | apt what is fso |
| 21:16.52 | apt | nullpuppy: I think you lost me on that one |
| 21:17.01 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 21:17.12 | nuclear_eclipse | apparently ASU is sosecretive that he can't tell you without killing you afterwards :P |
| 21:17.41 | wurp2|away | apt asu is the April Software Update, an release name for a OpenMoko distribution. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan. |
| 21:17.42 | apt | okay, wurp2|away |
| 21:17.47 | wurp2|away | apt what is asu |
| 21:17.47 | apt | Password: |
| 21:17.51 | nuclear_eclipse | :) |
| 21:17.53 | wurp2|away | shakes head |
| 21:18.09 | SpeedEvil | s/an/a/ |
| 21:18.29 | swc|666 | the FR's are shipping with ASU, right? |
| 21:18.40 | nullpuppy | no |
| 21:18.49 | nullpuppy | at least, i don't believe so |
| 21:19.07 | swc|666 | hmmm |
| 21:19.08 | SpeedEvil | GTKFTW! |
| 21:19.15 | wurp2|away | apt fso is the freesmartphone.org software release. It includes the backbone software for the phone hardware (and some other things) and a working dialer, and not much else. |
| 21:19.15 | apt | okay, wurp2|away |
| 21:19.19 | leinir | No, 2007.2, as has been reiterated over and over on the mailing list ;) |
| 21:19.32 | wurp2|away | swc|666: No, GTK akak 2007.2 |
| 21:19.40 | swc|666 | ah... |
| 21:19.40 | wurp2|away | s/akak/aka/ |
| 21:19.55 | nullpuppy | apt what is fso |
| 21:19.56 | apt | i guess fso is the freesmartphone.org software release. It includes the backbone software for the phone hardware (and some other things) and a working dialer, and not much else. |
| 21:20.26 | ecraven | how do i change the ringtone? |
| 21:20.34 | ecraven | and how do i listen to them? aplay doesn't seem to work |
| 21:20.34 | wurp2|away | swc|666: They did originally plan to send ASU on them |
| 21:20.39 | *** part/#openmoko timo_ffm (n=timo@85.183.146.186) |
| 21:20.49 | wurp2|away | ecraven: Find where the file is stored, overwrite it :-) |
| 21:20.53 | swc|666 | i c.. .that's where i got confused then |
| 21:21.05 | wurp2|away | ecraven: mplayer should work |
| 21:21.28 | ecraven | how does the ringtone get played? there's no mplayer on my fr |
| 21:22.08 | cjb | perhaps aplay |
| 21:22.14 | cjb | oh, someone said that |
| 21:22.38 | ecraven | i tried, it didn't work |
| 21:22.45 | sitwon | what about 'play'? |
| 21:22.50 | ebbe | pulseaudio |
| 21:22.59 | wurp2|away | The relief data on tangogps looks pretty slick |
| 21:23.20 | wurp2|away | I'd been wondering why no one had hacked it to do e.g. google satellite imagery |
| 21:23.33 | wurp2|away | ecraven: Did you try opkg install mplayer? |
| 21:23.39 | ecraven | ebbe: pulseaudio file.wav ?? |
| 21:23.43 | wurp2|away | ecraven: I assume the mplayer in the repositories still works... |
| 21:23.45 | ecraven | wurp2|away: no, i don't need mplayer ;) |
| 21:23.56 | wurp2|away | ecraven: Sounds like you do ;-) |
| 21:24.01 | ebbe | ecraven: Don't know.. but I think that is what they use.. |
| 21:24.04 | wurp2|away | I'm sure there's a better way |
| 21:24.07 | wurp2|away | But I dunno what it is |
| 21:24.24 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|away: code a beautiful mediaplayer? |
| 21:24.26 | wurp2|away | You can /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop, then aplay |
| 21:24.40 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: excellent plan |
| 21:25.03 | wurp2|away | I can probably do that on my gta01 while I'm on the potty |
| 21:25.19 | mwester | Shouldn't need to stop pulseaudio... |
| 21:25.32 | wurp2|away | I'll send you the opkg in about a year, unless I'm stricken with some severe chronic constipation |
| 21:25.58 | wurp2|away | mwester: Ages ago, I know I had to kill pulseaudio to get the player I was messing with, which I thought was aplay, to work |
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| 21:26.24 | ecraven | can i set the time from gsm? |
| 21:26.42 | mwester | ecraven: not implemented afaik |
| 21:26.47 | wurp2|away | ecraven: I'm sure you can, if you learn the right gsm command and write a script |
| 21:26.53 | wurp2|away | ecraven: I have a script to set it from gps |
| 21:27.09 | wurp2|away | It isn't smart enough to figure out your time zone from your location, though. |
| 21:27.22 | wurp2|away | (setting time from gps is dead simple once you know the nmea format) |
| 21:27.22 | ecraven | wurp2|away: gps doesn't work so far, no fix ;( |
| 21:27.25 | mwester | wurp2|away: pulseaudio locks up the ALSA drivers on resume, which keeps things like aplay from working. |
| 21:27.42 | SpeedEvil | I have a deeply stupid script. |
| 21:27.51 | wurp2|away | ecraven: Even w/o fix, if you have one satellite you should be able to set the time. |
| 21:27.52 | mjr | you don't really need a fix for time |
| 21:27.57 | mjr | echo |
| 21:28.04 | wurp2|away | Unless FR truly doesn't send any valid sentences until it gets a fix |
| 21:28.04 | SpeedEvil | It does date `ssh server date "+%whatever"` |
| 21:28.07 | ecraven | i always have 0/0 satellites |
| 21:28.20 | wurp2|away | ecraven: ouch |
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| 21:28.48 | ecraven | which i really don't understand, it *should* see some, huge meadow, no houses, few trees, clear view to the sky |
| 21:28.57 | wurp2|away | I hate to say it, but it's sounding to me as if a bunch of people need to take advantage of that 14 day warranty for their FR gps |
| 21:29.18 | MarcOChapeau | hmm, I'm having a weird issue with wifi. is WEP encryption meant to be available with the image that is shipped with the freerunner ? |
| 21:29.28 | cjb | wurp2|away: I think getting a replacement antenna and fitting it is probably the best idea |
| 21:29.30 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: I like to be able to set it while not tethered. |
| 21:29.36 | ecraven | MarcOChapeau: i got wpa2 working, so wep should probably work too |
| 21:29.39 | nuclear_eclipse | MarcOChapeau: I think someone else fixed it by doing `opkg update` or somesuch |
| 21:29.45 | wurp2|away | cjb: But you should do it quick, before warranty is up |
| 21:30.03 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|away: that's why you have GPRS! :) |
| 21:30.18 | ecraven | where do i set my timezone? |
| 21:30.20 | wurp2|away | nuclear_eclipse: But of course the results of opkg update dist-upgrade are highly dependent on when you do it |
| 21:30.34 | MarcOChapeau | nuclear_eclipse: I'll try that. the wiki should probably be updated |
| 21:30.35 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: Yeah, but I didn't have it then :-/ |
| 21:30.38 | nuclear_eclipse | has no clue, never use opkg yet :P |
| 21:30.48 | wurp2|away | And gps on the gta01 at least is much faster and less intrusive to get going than gps |
| 21:30.49 | nuclear_eclipse | just saw it on the ML |
| 21:30.50 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|away: you've got it working? |
| 21:30.54 | wurp2|away | s/gps$/gprs/ |
| 21:30.57 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: yeah |
| 21:31.12 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|away: got a tar.gz of the files you needed? |
| 21:31.19 | wurp2|away | For a month or more now |
| 21:31.22 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: For gprs? |
| 21:31.23 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|away: or are you using ASU? |
| 21:31.28 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: Nah, 2007.2 |
| 21:31.38 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: Well, FSO right now, but I don't have gprs on it |
| 21:31.53 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|away: yes - oh well. I guess I need to poke it some more. |
| 21:31.54 | mwester | ecraven: ln -s ../usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago /etc/localtime |
| 21:31.57 | wurp2|away | I thought I'd spend a while with stable calls and > 12 hour battery life tos ee what it felt like |
| 21:32.01 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|away: I had GPRS working, but it broke. |
| 21:32.11 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: I have all the files. I'll send you what I have. |
| 21:32.14 | wurp2|away | Tonight |
| 21:32.19 | SpeedEvil | Thanks! |
| 21:32.29 | MarcOChapeau | nuclear_eclipse: it seems their's a kernel upgrade among the list of things to upgrade, this might do the trick... |
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| 21:32.42 | MarcOChapeau | is having fun :-) |
| 21:32.58 | nuclear_eclipse | wishes his FR had arrived so he could be having fun too... |
| 21:33.40 | ecraven | can pulse play mp3 ringtones? |
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| 21:34.04 | wurp2|away | I had way more fun than I wanted the first time I figured out that 2007.2 was no longer supported (and hence broken)... (Not to start any rumors, I think 2007.2 is mostly fixed again now) |
| 21:34.27 | wurp2|away | OK, I better be really away again for a while. I *am* at work. |
| 21:34.46 | nuclear_eclipse | wurp2|away: so what? ;) |
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| 21:36.03 | SirBob1701 | so north america shipping yet? lol |
| 21:36.16 | nuclear_eclipse | SirBob1701: I think we're all trying to figure that out :P |
| 21:36.30 | SirBob1701 | nuclear_eclipse: lol worth a shot ;D |
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| 21:43.37 | MarcOChapeau | ecraven: afair, pulse doesn't decode stuff, it just routes audio |
| 21:44.10 | ecraven | so i might set an mp3 file in /etc/pulse/session as the ringtone? |
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| 21:45.06 | MarcOChapeau | ecraven: not sure, I'm discovering quite a lot of stuff tonight :-p |
| 21:45.13 | ecraven | so am i ;) |
| 21:45.31 | MarcOChapeau | ecraven: I'm more aware of JACK stuff audio-wise |
| 21:45.55 | ecraven | i don't particularly like any of the audio servers, but i see that they are necessary if multiple apps want to produce sound at the same time |
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| 21:47.14 | xzcvczx | how are you meant to update opkg when the signature files are not available? |
| 21:48.00 | ecraven | is there an sms server for the FR? so that i can send sms from my computer over usb/wireless/bluetooth over the fr? |
| 21:48.00 | MarcOChapeau | xzcvczx: saw that too...seems to work though. I'm guessing only part of then are unavailable |
| 21:48.00 | MarcOChapeau | ecraven: ask your provier |
| 21:48.09 | MarcOChapeau | s/provier/provider/ |
| 21:48.35 | ecraven | i think that's a software thing |
| 21:48.36 | mjr | yeah MarcOChapeau obviously misunderstood |
| 21:49.18 | MarcOChapeau | ecraven: you mean using the neo to send SMS from your computer ? |
| 21:49.20 | mjr | no such thing ready I think, but very doable |
| 21:49.33 | ecraven | MarcOChapeau: yes |
| 21:49.41 | MarcOChapeau | oh :-) |
| 21:49.47 | ecraven | i know, just wanted to know whether anyone has already done it |
| 21:50.15 | xzcvczx | MarcOChapeau: well i am trying to update gsmd but it wont allow me to :S |
| 21:52.07 | Fossi | xzcvczx: worked for me yesterday |
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| 21:52.40 | swc|666 | so if i want to build a custom kernel for the FR with support for additional usb wlan cards, should i pull from kernel.org? |
| 21:53.03 | ecraven | so, mp3s do *not* work in /etc/pulse/session, i only get vibration, no ringtone |
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| 21:54.38 | xzcvczx | Fossi: yeah it might seem on second look that its just mac thats failing on sharing internet |
| 21:55.53 | mwester | swc|666: No. Pull from git.openmoko.org. |
| 21:56.17 | swc|666 | mwester: thanx |
| 21:56.20 | swc|666 | :) |
| 21:56.51 | Fossi | usb wlan? |
| 21:56.56 | Fossi | wardriving deluxe? |
| 21:57.06 | Fossi | :D |
| 21:57.18 | swc|666 | ;) |
| 21:58.22 | swc|666 | i need monitor mode for the apps i'm developing |
| 21:58.23 | mjr | yesyes, "apps" |
| 21:58.41 | swc|666 | lol |
| 21:58.56 | nikolajsheller | Hello. I'm considering buying a Freerunner. I'm interested in what are the impressions so far? |
| 21:58.56 | nikolajsheller | Also: if I buy a freerunner, should I get the debug-board? What kind of development is it recommended for? |
| 21:59.14 | mjr | very low level stuff |
| 21:59.27 | mjr | you probably don't need it |
| 21:59.36 | ecraven | nikolajsheller: nice hardware, not enough (or good) software so far |
| 22:00.00 | mjr | 'less you want a non-usb serial console or something, which might be useful for porting Hurd over ... |
| 22:01.43 | nikolajsheller | mjr: thanks. Hurd might be over my level of ambition ;) |
| 22:02.44 | nikolajsheller | ecraven: is it usable as a phone yet? or is it a fight to make call etc? |
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| 22:03.21 | mjr | well it's usable but not overly reliable, unless you install the FSO stack, which is very bare calls only |
| 22:03.27 | ecraven | i don't like the interface too much, but the few test calls i tried worked |
| 22:03.27 | mjr | unless +perhaps |
| 22:03.37 | ecraven | and texts too |
| 22:03.47 | ecraven | i'll try tomorrow to keep the sim card only in the fr |
| 22:04.01 | ecraven | also, the microphone is in a bad position |
| 22:04.06 | ecraven | (or i'm just holding it wrong) |
| 22:04.19 | ecraven | (or i need to turn the volume up somehow) |
| 22:04.22 | abraxa_ | nikolajsheller: If you can wait, wait. If you can't, buy. Simple as that :) |
| 22:04.32 | nikolajsheller | heh, reminds med of the nokia "side talking" phones |
| 22:04.57 | rtm | Has anyone received a notice from the Openmoko store that their order has shipped? |
| 22:05.09 | mjr | personally, as a nokia hater, I don't see the big deal about the "side talking" |
| 22:05.41 | nikolajsheller | abraxa_: I'm trying to find out if I can wait ;) |
| 22:06.10 | ecraven | nikolajsheller: now is your chance to write the killer app ;) |
| 22:06.25 | ecraven | good night ;) |
| 22:06.41 | nikolajsheller | ecraven: ah, what developer doesn't dream of that :) |
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| 22:09.06 | nikolajsheller | mjr: I think the sidetalking thing was an "in your face nokia" meme. |
| 22:10.32 | mjr | nikolajsheller, probably |
| 22:11.16 | nikolajsheller | anyways, thanks for the input. I really like the concept of the freerunner |
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| 22:14.06 | Arg0naut | rtm: US freerunners shipping(order numbers around 1500), i would wait atleast 4 hours before expecting to get tracking number from UPS |
| 22:15.00 | kelvie_work | aw I had one at around 1500 |
| 22:15.01 | rtm | Arg0naut: Thanks! So since I'm 1367, I can assume it will go out today? |
| 22:15.12 | kelvie_work | then I re-ordered and am 1700 something |
| 22:16.48 | IXian-Probe | "Like what?" I spread my legs a little for him, knowing he couldn't |
| 22:16.48 | IXian-Probe | really get a good look at my panties, but not minding too much if he |
| 22:17.32 | IXian-Probe | ^_^ |
| 22:17.41 | IXian-Probe | ops ^_^ |
| 22:17.54 | nullpuppy | haha |
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| 22:18.25 | rtm | Was that from April's Software update? |
| 22:20.00 | Haproli | Hmm, I'm having a problem getting wlan to work on the freerunner. Any common problems ? |
| 22:20.41 | Haproli | I folowed the wiki gta02 wlan, but It doesn't seem to be working |
| 22:21.16 | Haproli | wpa_supplicant trows 'Failed to set encryption' at me |
| 22:24.13 | Fossi | ~SHR |
| 22:24.14 | apt | shr is probably Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 22:24.24 | Haproli | ioctl[PRISM2_IOCTL_HOSTAPD]: Operation not supported |
| 22:25.23 | Fossi | i fought that as well and gave up half way to just use ifconfig and iwconfig and mac filters ;D |
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| 22:28.28 | Haproli | Fossi: I heard a lot of people here where using wpa, there must be a way |
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| 22:28.44 | Fossi | sure |
| 22:29.00 | Fossi | for one i'm not sure if you should use hostap |
| 22:29.31 | swc|666 | so should i be okay to checkout/build the Andy branch? |
| 22:30.09 | Haproli | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan |
| 22:35.46 | Fossi | i like xrandr -o 3 much better than -o 1 |
| 22:36.04 | SpeedEvil | I like xrande -o i much better. |
| 22:36.16 | SpeedEvil | It's much easir to read when the phone is lying down. |
| 22:37.00 | Fossi | -o i? |
| 22:37.59 | SpeedEvil | Imaginary axis. It makes the screen pop out of the case, and rotate 90 degrees into the Z plane. |
| 22:38.17 | Fossi | ah. clever. |
| 22:39.24 | mjr | me, I like -o fhtagn which rotates the screen through all the dimensions and makes the user CRAAaaZZEEEE |
| 22:40.20 | wurp2|away | For FSO I just wrote http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_UI_Tutorial, since I figure I'm not the only one who was at a loss after installing it. |
| 22:42.41 | wurp2|away | Someone who knows what the hell the letters over the battery bar mean could put that in there. |
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| 22:47.12 | Fossi | wasn't there something to recalibrate the touchscreen somewhere in the repo? |
| 22:47.18 | Fossi | ah |
| 22:47.20 | Fossi | nm |
| 22:47.31 | Fossi | i remember |
| 22:48.22 | wurp2|away | Fossi: Is there? |
| 22:50.26 | Fossi | i've seen 'pointercal' yesterday and though that might be something like it |
| 22:50.35 | Fossi | but it seems that's only data |
| 22:51.08 | wurp2|away | Fossi: I was under the impression that somehow it's never expected that the touchscreen will get off kilter |
| 22:51.22 | wurp2|away | I know mine has never been inaccurate |
| 22:51.33 | Fossi | well, try xrandr -o 3 ;) |
| 22:51.40 | wurp2|away | When I thought it was, it was because a different part of my .. |
| 22:51.43 | wurp2|away | Oh, yeah, that |
| 22:51.46 | wurp2|away | I don't do that |
| 22:52.01 | wurp2|away | .. finger was touching the screen than I thought was touching it |
| 22:53.03 | wurp2|away | Fossi: In fact, I thought the only thing xrandr -o 3 did was change the mapping between touch screen & what you see. Maybe I'm misremembering. |
| 22:53.46 | Fossi | sometimes the touchscreen is totally off then |
| 22:54.23 | Fossi | it also gets 'split' from time to time |
| 22:54.30 | Fossi | but i guess that's more of a driver issue |
| 22:54.34 | wurp2|away | I thought in xrandr -o 3 the touch was mirrored compared to the screen |
| 22:55.07 | wurp2|away | How far you touch left of center, it moves the "mouse" based on that far to the right of center |
| 22:55.10 | wurp2|away | & vice versa |
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| 22:55.57 | Fossi | no, it's weirder |
| 22:56.01 | Fossi | anyway |
| 22:56.06 | Fossi | i gotta go to bed |
| 22:56.08 | kelvie_work | are there any good stylus accessories you can attach to the FR? like some type of mini-stylus on a strap? |
| 22:56.09 | wurp2|away | OK |
| 22:56.11 | wurp2|away | g'night |
| 22:56.15 | Fossi | see you around |
| 22:56.33 | wurp2|away | kelvie_work: got a hammer & nail, or some superglue? |
| 22:56.50 | wurp2|away | kelvie_work: None that I've heard of |
| 22:57.20 | wurp2|away | kelvie_work: Early on there was a car mount, but they scrapped it. I wish they would bring it back :-( |
| 22:57.37 | kelvie_work | wurp2|away: I was thinking something the size of a guitar pick |
| 22:57.43 | kelvie_work | on a strap which you can then attach it :p |
| 22:57.48 | doc|work | would like the gta04 to look more like http://www.cellphone9.com/lg-kf750-secret-a-secret-no-more/ |
| 22:57.51 | Haproli | anybody here got wireless working on the freerunner with WPA ? |
| 23:00.19 | wurp2|away | Headed home, have a good night |
| 23:01.05 | macdonalder | doc|work: I think the carbon fiber back is a bit much :P |
| 23:02.38 | leinirAWAY | i'm more liking the idea of making the gta04 closer to Synaptics' concept phone, whatever its name was again |
| 23:02.47 | leinirAWAY | and on that note, i sleep ;) |
| 23:02.49 | doc|work | macdonalder: you can never have too much carbon fibre ( http://www.voodooenvy.com/ ) :) |
| 23:03.03 | doc|work | er, that's not the site I was looking for :/ one sec |
| 23:03.16 | macdonalder | haha |
| 23:03.29 | doc|work | http://www.voodoopc.com/#/productsenvy |
| 23:03.31 | doc|work | :o |
| 23:03.55 | doc|work | I want one of those, only they're very expensive and don't come without windows |
| 23:05.09 | Haproli | Do I need to modprobe the driver for the wlan to work ? |
| 23:05.24 | doc|work | macdonalder: cc cleared. Ordering tonight. |
| 23:05.32 | macdonalder | ahh perfect |
| 23:06.27 | doc|work | I got an email from pulster. They'll have 850MHz phones with warranties, they'd seen my mail about delivery prices. but at $477 a pop and not until after july. One pro for them is two year warranty vs 28 days DOA. Thoughts? |
| 23:06.39 | doc|work | I'm thinking not |
| 23:07.13 | doc|work | anyone know if a person outside the EU has to pay VAT when buying from the EU? |
| 23:07.28 | macdonalder | that's an alternative to the om web store? |
| 23:07.32 | Haproli | doc|work: I think so |
| 23:07.36 | doc|work | arse |
| 23:07.38 | doc|work | thanks Haproli |
| 23:07.42 | Haproli | np |
| 23:07.43 | doc|work | macdonalder: yeah, from germany |
| 23:08.33 | doc|work | his reasoning was dhl were cheaper (although they lost a computer on me once so I'm not too fond of them) |
| 23:09.16 | macdonalder | meaning they'd ship dhl rather than ups? |
| 23:10.57 | doc|work | yep |
| 23:11.08 | doc|work | but dhl suck |
| 23:13.19 | macdonalder | personally I've rarely dealt with them |
| 23:13.30 | macdonalder | I'm fine with odering from the om store though |
| 23:13.38 | macdonalder | *ordering even |
| 23:14.02 | doc|work | ok, cool |
| 23:14.24 | doc|work | much and all as I'd like a 2 year warranty, it's a *lot* more money and big delay :/ |
| 23:15.08 | ozzloy | who is "freeourphone" on youtube? |
| 23:17.04 | macdonalder | doc|work: yeah, it is, and I'm not even sure how pertinent the phone will be in 2 years anyways |
| 23:19.19 | doc|work | macdonalder: true |
| 23:19.45 | doc|work | ozzloy: did they post vids on the freerunner? |
| 23:19.59 | ozzloy | doc|work: yeah, 9 over the last 2 months |
| 23:20.03 | SpeedEvil | macdonalder: 2 year - sure. |
| 23:20.13 | SpeedEvil | macdonalder: a 2 week warranty however? |
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| 23:21.42 | ozzloy | they went to google.de |
| 23:22.13 | doc|work | ozzloy: I think that could be steve's kids |
| 23:22.24 | ozzloy | so they're deutsch |
| 23:22.41 | ozzloy | heh, that's kinda neat |
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| 23:23.43 | Dave | Has anyone tried any external usb wifi dongle or usb camera yet? |
| 23:24.13 | ozzloy | oh they have a website |
| 23:24.39 | ozzloy | Dave: i have a usb camera, i'll let you know when i get the freerunner |
| 23:24.48 | doc|work | ozzloy: don't quote me on that, I might be wrong :) got a link? |
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| 23:25.44 | Dave | Oh, alright. |
| 23:25.52 | ozzloy | http://youtube.com/watch?v=JAl0T1emRtw for the vid. freeyourphone.de is the website |
| 23:25.53 | Dave | Has anyone tried usb wifi though? |
| 23:26.23 | ozzloy | wait, usb wifi? i thought it has wifi. usb for stronger signal? |
| 23:26.34 | Dave | I'm going to try it tonight anyhow, just wasn't sure what chipsets it supports natively, or if anyone had any success with driver cc yet. |
| 23:26.39 | Dave | ozzloy, right |
| 23:26.40 | doc|work | ozzloy: ok, those aren't his kids :) |
| 23:26.51 | doc|work | ozzloy: BVBTechReviews are his kids |
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| 23:27.08 | ozzloy | yeah, i just saw a video by the |
| 23:27.10 | ozzloy | them* |
| 23:27.59 | ozzloy | does the stylus still have a laser pointer? |
| 23:28.01 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 23:28.04 | Dave | yep :p |
| 23:28.08 | Dave | and led light :P |
| 23:28.14 | ozzloy | neato |
| 23:28.20 | Dave | unless some distributers stole them out of the boxes for keeping >:D |
| 23:28.27 | Arg0naut | ozzloy: in the video is that 2007.2? |
| 23:28.48 | ozzloy | Arg0naut: idk |
| 23:29.21 | macdonalder | ok nap time |
| 23:31.39 | Dave | old macdonald had a nap Zzz Zzz Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 23:31.51 | Dave | :p |
| 23:31.52 | ozzloy | heh |
| 23:32.09 | ozzloy | imagines opening oo.o on a freerunner |
| 23:32.23 | ozzloy | wow, that'd be _so_ broken |
| 23:33.09 | SpeedEvil | oo.o? |
| 23:33.09 | doc|work | ozzloy: well, I've heard of it running (alpha) on a nokia n800 which has the same spec processor |
| 23:33.18 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: openoffice.org |
| 23:33.29 | ozzloy | doc|work: i'm thinking more about the ui |
| 23:33.37 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 23:33.38 | mjr | I did launch oo.o over X on my gta01 once |
| 23:33.41 | mjr | it was... crowded |
| 23:33.53 | ozzloy | heh |
| 23:34.02 | SpeedEvil | I suspect that'd be slow. |
| 23:34.16 | SpeedEvil | I've used firefox. |
| 23:34.20 | SpeedEvil | It actually worked quite well. |
| 23:34.44 | Haproli | :-( wlan not worky |
| 23:34.58 | doc|work | ozzloy: heh, fair point :) |
| 23:35.02 | SpeedEvil | (with the menux plugin to collapse the menubar, and with mousegestures to do back/forward on gestures |
| 23:35.17 | doc|work | Haproli: can't help you, sorry :/ |
| 23:35.25 | ozzloy | SpeedEvil: have you seen vimperator? |
| 23:35.31 | Dave | :D |
| 23:35.34 | SpeedEvil | ozzloy: no |
| 23:35.34 | Dave | oh hell yeah! |
| 23:35.42 | Dave | high-fives ozzloy |
| 23:36.10 | doc|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.12 | doc|work | oh god |
| 23:36.15 | ozzloy | heh, glad you like |
| 23:36.15 | doc|work | is nothing sacred |
| 23:36.19 | ozzloy | hahaha |
| 23:36.22 | Haproli | what ? no way |
| 23:36.32 | doc|work | wanders off to find some crosses and garlic |
| 23:36.32 | Dave | Hallowed? |
| 23:36.44 | Dave | throws icecream balls at doc |
| 23:36.50 | ozzloy | eeew |
| 23:37.11 | ozzloy | is there a dimmer on the backlight? |
| 23:37.26 | doc|work | mmmicecream |
| 23:37.42 | Dave | :D |
| 23:37.44 | Dave | You can dim it yes |
| 23:37.50 | Dave | I accidentally did it today |
| 23:37.50 | ozzloy | sweetness |
| 23:38.04 | ozzloy | oh dear, "accidentally" sounds ungood |
| 23:38.10 | Dave | :D |
| 23:38.12 | Dave | It was hot |
| 23:38.21 | Dave | I was fucking up stuff left and right :P |
| 23:38.43 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 23:38.51 | ozzloy | hot? hot to the touch? how hot? |
| 23:39.17 | Dave | haha |
| 23:39.20 | Dave | silly ozzloy |
| 23:46.07 | thseiler | good morning, is there someone who understands a bit of evas ? |
| 23:46.37 | doc|work | macdonalder: I have to say, it's kinda weird to know there's this much money sitting on my cc, waiting to be spent on goodies, even if 9/10ths of them aren't for me :( |
| 23:47.14 | thseiler | i have a question about how it handles transparency... |
| 23:48.13 | SpeedEvil | thseiler: I vaguely remember that there might be a #e |
| 23:48.18 | doc|work | thseiler: it? :/ there are currently three its :/ |
| 23:48.39 | doc|work | oh, sorry, missed your first question |
| 23:49.21 | thseiler | SpeedEvil, people over at #e seem to be sleeping already... |
| 23:49.39 | thseiler | SpeedEvil, so I though i would ask here... |
| 23:49.52 | SirBob1701 | anyone get shipping notice yet? if there suppose to come from UPS i think we'll get the phone before fin ups mails us |
| 23:51.56 | ebbe | I'm getting "Permission denied (publickey)." when getting a svn repository at projects.openmoko.org. Anyone know the problem? |
| 23:52.30 | thseiler | well, goodnight everyone! |
| 23:52.33 | kelvie_work | you don't have ssh access to it |
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| 23:52.43 | swc|666 | where can i get the arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi- cross compiler from? |
| 23:53.07 | ebbe | kelvie_work: I've just created the project.. |
| 23:53.47 | ebbe | Does the server just need time them? To figure out permissions? |
| 23:54.17 | swc|666 | i see it here but is it zipped somewhere? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/workdir/cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ |
| 23:54.18 | ozzloy | Dave: oh. i was actually serious. i thought you dimmed it because it was hot tempurature-wise |
| 23:55.02 | roh | ebbe did you upload a key? |
| 23:55.10 | Dave | no, no :P |
| 23:55.42 | ebbe | roh: Yes. It's been there for many months. Just checked it again. It's correct |
| 23:56.30 | roh | ebbe well.. the only keys i see are these 2: |
| 23:56.35 | roh | COMPROMISED: 2048 a4:ec:c4:8c:54:f9:48:97:3b:83:03:d9:c8:fa:66:95 ebbe@bohr |
| 23:56.35 | roh | COMPROMISED: 2048 30:32:cc:3e:52:85:3b:ea:76:2d:b8:ed:ae:ad:41:4e ebbe@newton |
| 23:56.41 | Dave | D: |
| 23:56.45 | roh | which you can both put in a bin thus. |
| 23:56.48 | Dave | rut roh |
| 23:56.59 | ebbe | Oh.. |
| 23:57.09 | roh | Dave there are lots more.. thats why there are blacklists in place ;) |
| 23:57.18 | ebbe | I'll make a new one |
| 23:57.31 | Dave | roh, good :) |
| 23:57.46 | Dave | ebbe, a wise idea :p |
| 23:58.21 | ebbe | Hit by the Ubuntu gpg bug :/ |
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| 23:59.36 | Dave | aww |
