| 00:00.47 | Tig|_ | jOERG_rw, also I don't know what to do really, on the one hand 2007.2 is a holding pattern while the ASU gets ready but also people want to help but dont have a project to go to |
| 00:01.04 | jOERG_rw | btw: my FR isn't 180g, it's only 130g ;-) got 50g less, want my money back XD |
| 00:01.56 | jOERG_rw | Tig|_: sure you're right. Alas I'm HW, no idea about development |
| 00:01.59 | SpeedEvil | jOERG_rw: have you taken the case off? |
| 00:02.14 | jOERG_rw | SpeedEvil: ??? |
| 00:02.22 | Tig|_ | hehe :) there is also slack in the back of the device, needs something like a £5 note folded down there for emergency beer and keeping the battery in :) |
| 00:02.29 | te_acrid | is there a trick to flash the FR? if i start into NOR flash. connect USB. and there is no connection :( |
| 00:02.38 | jOERG_rw | I *allways* take the case off everything I get |
| 00:03.36 | jOERG_rw | te_acrid: just start dfu-util |
| 00:04.21 | sirius | just made my gta02 go hibernating - didn't wake up by tapping on the screen, I called the phone and it wake fast :-) |
| 00:04.22 | jOERG_rw | te_acrid: it should find connection |
| 00:04.46 | jOERG_rw | sirius: yep, works better last few days |
| 00:04.49 | Tig|_ | jOERG_rw, look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_Overview or navigate from the wiki front page, someone has jumped the gun on asu stuff |
| 00:05.21 | te_acrid | ah lol... need to be root |
| 00:05.43 | Tig|_ | sirius, the phone call woke it up but tapping it / pressing buttons didn't? |
| 00:05.56 | sirius | jOERG_rw: Yep, I'm in fact impressed, but I still have ordered twinsim ;-) |
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| 00:06.50 | jOERG_rw | probably won't work with current dialer app ;-) |
| 00:07.20 | jOERG_rw | ah sorry twin. no thats diferent (lol) |
| 00:07.21 | sirius | Tig|_: yep, tapping the screen doesn't wake it, but pressing the power button will :-) |
| 00:07.27 | jOERG_rw | ah sorry twin. no thats diferent (lol) |
| 00:07.36 | sirius | ;) |
| 00:08.23 | jOERG_rw | there also are dualsims with switchable identity |
| 00:08.41 | Gnutoo | Tig|_, have you tried ssh already? |
| 00:11.29 | Tig|_ | Gnutoo, ssh in what way? I talk to my freerunner over ssh all the time, mainly because on the image I am running the keyboard sucks :) |
| 00:11.37 | sirius | jOERG_rw: How difficult would it be to make wicd running on the freerunner? (wicd.sourceforge.net) |
| 00:11.40 | dcordes | what does "# Free and Open WiFi" on http://openmoko.com/product.html mean? |
| 00:11.57 | jOERG_rw | sirius: I'm HW! |
| 00:12.02 | Gnutoo | Tig|_, you just changed the root password...could you try to login without password please |
| 00:12.03 | sirius | ah, sorry :-) |
| 00:12.21 | Gnutoo | Tig|_, just to check if the bug is still valid |
| 00:12.26 | SpeedEvil | dcordes: you can use it |
| 00:12.26 | SpeedEvil | dcordes: it doens't mean you can packet sniff |
| 00:12.53 | SpeedEvil | dcordes: and it doesn't require binary kernel drivers |
| 00:13.07 | dcordes | SpeedEvil: that was not my question. It's just that it sounds odd. ah it's about the blob free driver? |
| 00:13.16 | Tig|_ | Gnutoo, told me to feck off |
| 00:13.47 | Gnutoo | Tig|_, ??? |
| 00:14.29 | jOERG_rw | *grin* |
| 00:14.42 | Dave | :o |
| 00:14.57 | Dave | giggles |
| 00:15.49 | jOERG_rw | Tig|_: will it stay across reboot? |
| 00:16.15 | sirius | Hey, new build out :-) |
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| 00:16.29 | jOERG_rw | just about time |
| 00:16.45 | Tig|_ | Gnutoo, http://rafb.net/p/1JmqGt26.html |
| 00:17.40 | Gnutoo | Tig|_, ah you're locked out? or you just typed enter for your password? |
| 00:18.30 | Tig|_ | Gnutoo, I typed enter for the first pw to check it was not empty |
| 00:18.41 | Gnutoo | Tig|_, ah ok thanks a lot... |
| 00:18.46 | Gnutoo | so it works... |
| 00:18.56 | Tig|_ | yep :) |
| 00:23.26 | Tig|_ | jOERG_rw, just rebooted the freerunner and the pw change sticks |
| 00:26.37 | jOERG_rw | that's the ahaha we like it ahaha |
| 00:26.49 | jOERG_rw | that's the way ahaha we like it ahaha |
| 00:27.03 | jOERG_rw | ;-) |
| 00:28.16 | Tig|_ | : |
| 00:28.19 | Tig|_ | :) |
| 00:30.35 | Gnutoo | Tig|_, by the way you use 2007.1? |
| 00:30.43 | Dave | Now if only we knew how Joerg really liked it ;) |
| 00:31.23 | jOERG_rw | enjoys some noodles ;-) |
| 00:31.34 | jOERG_rw | *chomp* |
| 00:32.34 | jOERG_rw | sticky pw is the way linux should work, no? |
| 00:32.38 | Tig|_ | Gnutoo, currently I am running the rootfw from the 03rd july 2008 and kernel from the 05th july 2008 |
| 00:32.54 | Tig|_ | which are both 2007.2 images |
| 00:33.00 | Gnutoo | Tig|_, ok thanks a lot |
| 00:33.16 | Tig|_ | Gnutoo, no worries :) |
| 00:34.28 | Dave | Noodles :D |
| 00:34.30 | Gnutoo | i must go bye all |
| 00:34.36 | Dave | Snakkes |
| 00:34.38 | Tig|_ | toodle pip :) |
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| 00:35.27 | Tig|_ | I miss him already |
| 00:35.32 | Dave | hah! |
| 00:35.41 | Tig|_ | he always typed in a lovely font |
| 00:35.43 | Tig|_ | :) |
| 00:35.46 | Dave | Well, wurp just rejoined :P |
| 00:35.47 | Dave | haha |
| 00:35.56 | Dave | irc has typefaces? that's new! |
| 00:36.13 | wurp2|away | my #!#@$ server died (the server where my irssi session was running) |
| 00:36.23 | wurp2|away | which is also where I run 2 commercial websites :-( |
| 00:36.24 | Tig|_ | Dave : exclusive to the ASU ;) |
| 00:36.39 | Tig|_ | wurp2|away :( |
| 00:37.05 | wurp2|away | Well, I say died, it just stopped responding. A reboot request "fixed" it |
| 00:37.24 | Tig|_ | wurp2|away, erk |
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| 00:38.24 | te_acrid | asu seems pretty broken... cant launch terminal, all buttons are empty. and after some time i get spammed with power_supply failures :( |
| 00:39.13 | cb22 | SHR shall rule them all ;) |
| 00:39.15 | ferric | but it boots! |
| 00:39.16 | Tig|_ | te_acrid, gta01/02 ? |
| 00:40.24 | te_acrid | 02 |
| 00:40.57 | Tig|_ | I flashed todays from om.com this morning and it worked (as far as it does) not the error you got |
| 00:41.05 | wurp2|away | cb22: So did you sign up to help out? :-) |
| 00:41.13 | Tig|_ | could it be a bad downloa or flash? |
| 00:41.15 | wurp2|away | heh, I see you did |
| 00:41.21 | nullpuppy | hmm, i think i need to change my local.conf ... using -j 4 currntly and its giving me a load of 20+ |
| 00:41.33 | cb22 | wurp2|away: yep :) |
| 00:41.44 | te_acrid | Tig|_: i used http://downloads.openmoko.org/asu/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080520-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary |
| 00:41.52 | te_acrid | and i didnt notice any error |
| 00:42.10 | cb22 | when i get back home from the us i can donate some clock cycles from my shiney new octcore :) |
| 00:42.25 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 00:42.40 | Tig|_ | te_acrid, the images you want will end jffs2 for the rootfs images |
| 00:43.26 | Tig|_ | also those ones for the asu are really out of date, you want the ones from the om.com site |
| 00:43.31 | Tig|_ | hang on will find |
| 00:43.33 | te_acrid | hmmm... its a 66mb file and it flashed :) |
| 00:43.52 | te_acrid | hmm ok... thought om.org should be up to date :( |
| 00:44.18 | Tig|_ | go to the om.com site and click on downloads |
| 00:44.33 | Tig|_ | that will give you the most up to date code |
| 00:45.26 | nullpuppy | also, anyone have an estimate on how long openmoko-feed takes to build? |
| 00:45.26 | sirius | still waiting for the 20080706 to get ready |
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| 00:47.00 | te_acrid | Tig|_: but there is only the daily build... no asu images... |
| 00:48.02 | Tig|_ | te_acrid, the asu will be the qt x11 images |
| 00:48.22 | te_acrid | i know |
| 00:49.24 | te_acrid | ah... no snapshot today! :) |
| 00:49.34 | Tig|_ | latest one is http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080704/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080704-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 00:50.05 | te_acrid | yeah.. just found it. thanks |
| 00:50.13 | Ko_deZ | there should be new images coming in a few minutes. |
| 00:50.26 | Ko_deZ | the 20080706 folder has some content. |
| 00:50.37 | Tig|_ | but if you want a stable handset don't bother, did it this morning :) |
| 00:51.19 | Ko_deZ | Tig|_: What would the most stable release be you think? |
| 00:53.27 | wurp2|away | Ko_deZ: For now, ScaredyCat's release |
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| 00:53.47 | wurp2|away | Ko_deZ: Actually, fso milestone is probably more stable, but it *only* has phone and sshd |
| 00:54.11 | Tig|_ | Ko_deZ, for what purpose? not getting killed by your girlfriend then a recent 2007.2 image, wanting to play then add the python gtk packages. ScaredyCat's images are wonderful for gta01 but is not yet building for gta02 ( we should set up a fund though) |
| 00:54.37 | wurp2|away | Oh, sorry, I need to remember that people are asking for gta02! |
| 00:54.47 | Tig|_ | wurp2|away, currently his gta02 images are not very stable :) |
| 00:54.49 | wurp2|away | I am a gta01 only guy |
| 00:54.50 | Ko_deZ | wurp2|away: Yeah =) |
| 00:55.07 | Ko_deZ | Tig|_: you are right... |
| 00:55.42 | Ko_deZ | Well, the getting killed by girlfriend is very much a real possibility right now =) |
| 00:56.13 | Ko_deZ | I have two FR here, and I would like for her to get a "stable" image on hers, so that she can call and send sms. |
| 00:56.27 | Ko_deZ | For myself, I want as much loot as possible =) |
| 00:56.39 | Tig|_ | Ko_deZ, even with a 2007.2 image expect to be killed over not sending smilies all the time and missing calls (default phone sound is quiet :) |
| 00:57.11 | Ko_deZ | Tig|_: the sound can be changed, right? |
| 00:57.35 | Tig|_ | Ko_deZ, everything can be changed, that is the point :) |
| 00:57.39 | Ko_deZ | Tig|_: I need it to play a mp3 of the intro music to dexter. That will keep her happy for days =) |
| 00:57.40 | sirius | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080706/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 :-) |
| 00:57.48 | ferric | Ko_deZ: youse gonna dieee |
| 00:58.19 | Ko_deZ | ferric: I knøv |
| 00:58.33 | te_acrid | i wont give my girlfriend a FR... she doesnt want to hack... just to phone/message |
| 00:58.50 | Tig|_ | Ko_deZ, someone will have worked it out and it is probably on the wiki |
| 00:59.49 | te_acrid | hmmm 2 days ago it tool 23 minutes from devel image to qtopia image... |
| 00:59.56 | Ko_deZ | te_acrid: She wanted to take part in this, and she has a masters in computer science, so she should be able to handle it =) |
| 01:00.11 | te_acrid | ah ok. thats different here :) |
| 01:01.01 | nullpuppy | Ko_deZ: ahh, i understand now ;) i was a bit curious why you got her a fr if all she was gonna do is sms and call ;) |
| 01:04.31 | Ko_deZ | nullpuppy: No, she knows her stuff fortunately, although not _very_ interested. |
| 01:04.41 | nullpuppy | nods |
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| 01:06.16 | te_acrid | would usb 2.0 help to flash faster? :) |
| 01:06.31 | SpeedEvil | TeNoVi: no |
| 01:06.35 | SpeedEvil | te_acrid: FR is 1.1 only |
| 01:08.16 | Ko_deZ | She would be very happy if she could get a propper mp3 playing device, SIP phone, SMS and Calling. She also likes the idea of checking where I am at any given moment... (the last part is a joke, for those who missed that) |
| 01:08.37 | ferric | Ko_deZ: FR ias very far from that. |
| 01:08.54 | ferric | Ko_deZ: i'd suggest pawning them on eBay and buying 2 iphones, or blackberry's. |
| 01:08.57 | Ko_deZ | ferric: Very far is not true I believe. |
| 01:09.17 | ferric | Ko_deZ: you may believe what you want to |
| 01:09.50 | Ko_deZ | ferric: I have my FR right here. I know what it is capable of right now. |
| 01:10.45 | SpeedEvil | SIP - over GPRS - not really |
| 01:10.50 | Ko_deZ | ferric: I actually thought it would be a lot worse than it is. As it is, calls seems to work pretty well at least, and it is not _very_ unstable. Power management is somewhat working (which I did not think it was) |
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| 01:11.58 | Ko_deZ | SpeedEvil: I did not say GPRS. For our home phone. While at home or in a hotspot, we could use my Asterisk server. I have a provider that lets me hook up my asterisk to their server. Free calls to all of europe =) |
| 01:12.11 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 01:12.29 | SpeedEvil | It's a pity you can't tunnel GSM over wifi |
| 01:12.35 | Ko_deZ | SpeedEvil: At home we will just use it as handsets with wlan. Should work I think. |
| 01:12.49 | SpeedEvil | as the service for that requires stuff the GSM chipset won't do |
| 01:13.11 | Ko_deZ | SpeedEvil: you can. the GSM voice codec works like a charm over SIP. |
| 01:13.13 | ferric | Ko_deZ: apps are going to take a while. the FSO image really is just calling. |
| 01:13.22 | SpeedEvil | konqui[tm]: err - no |
| 01:13.27 | SpeedEvil | ezekiel-v3: not quite |
| 01:13.31 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 01:13.34 | Ko_deZ | haha |
| 01:13.57 | SpeedEvil | Ko_deZ: some GSM providers support tunneling to a virtual base-station over wifi |
| 01:14.00 | Ko_deZ | SpeedEvil: I think I know what you mean. Using my GSM provider over wifi? |
| 01:14.34 | SpeedEvil | Ko_deZ: so you get a wifi connection, log in to that basestation, and it's a normal handoff between GSM towers as far as the net is concerned. |
| 01:14.51 | Tig|_ | oh $deity not again :) good night all :) |
| 01:14.55 | SpeedEvil | Ko_deZ: so you can continue on a call if you walk out of/into range. |
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| 01:14.57 | Ko_deZ | SpeedEvil: That is not what I am looking for. I want to use my landline subscription. It works nicely now with a dlink SIP adapter. |
| 01:15.38 | SpeedEvil | Ko_deZ: yeah. wifi may be a little weak - due to the poor antenna position inherent in a phone, and low power. |
| 01:15.39 | Ko_deZ | SpeedEvil: I see no need for involving wifi in that, unless you are in a poorly covered area. I am usually not, and those places never has wifi anyway. |
| 01:15.58 | SpeedEvil | DerCorny: cheaper than the main network on some plans |
| 01:16.23 | SpeedEvil | Ko_deZ: especially useful if you're at home and want your mobile to work cheaply. |
| 01:17.37 | Ko_deZ | SpeedEvil: That is exactly what I want, use my mobile cheaply, but I want it to use SIP when at home, and not use GSM at all. |
| 01:18.12 | SpeedEvil | DerCorny: yeah - but that way you can't roam to the outside net. If it works for you then :) |
| 01:18.17 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 01:18.17 | Ko_deZ | I will have it activated of course, so people can call me, but outgoing calls should be routed trough my SIP server if possible. |
| 01:18.29 | ferric | SpeedEvil: isn't that what UMA does/ |
| 01:18.37 | SpeedEvil | ferric: yes |
| 01:18.47 | SpeedEvil | ferric: the GSM firmware doesn't support :( |
| 01:18.54 | ferric | but UMA needs .. right. |
| 01:19.03 | ferric | we shouldn't be comlaining. :) |
| 01:19.15 | ferric | man this band-aid is making it hard to type. |
| 01:19.31 | Ko_deZ | SpeedEvil: With 100% free landline, I see no reason to use my 120 free GSM minutes while at home. |
| 01:19.52 | SpeedEvil | Ko_deZ: I agree - UMA is cheaper in some areas for some though. |
| 01:20.02 | ferric | whoa 100% free landlines? how'd you get that! |
| 01:21.04 | Ko_deZ | ferric: SIP provider i norway. |
| 01:21.47 | Ko_deZ | ferric: There is a monthly fee of about 30USD, but I get that covered by my employer. |
| 01:23.00 | Ko_deZ | ferric: it is free to most european countries, as well as USA and some other. Most other places are really cheap as well. Usually I don't call outside of norway much though, but I use it more now that it is free. |
| 01:23.21 | ferric | oy employers - gotta love them |
| 01:23.28 | MadTBone | SpeedEvil: so the GSM firmware doesn't support UMA.... is there an upgrade procedure UMA capable firmware becomes available in the future? |
| 01:23.44 | SpeedEvil | MadTBone: well... No. |
| 01:23.52 | ferric | you can't upgrade teh GSM firmware |
| 01:23.54 | ferric | unless you sign an NDA |
| 01:23.57 | ferric | (I think) |
| 01:24.02 | SpeedEvil | MadTBone: there is no current way of upgrading the firmware of the phone in the field, for legal reasons. |
| 01:24.20 | ferric | SpeedEvil: are you running FSO on your 01? |
| 01:24.40 | ferric | I'm not having much luck getting it to stay up more than 30min. |
| 01:24.46 | SpeedEvil | MadTBone: plus - it'd have to be - as I understand it - TI who did the work for UMA. And they are vanishingly unlikely to. |
| 01:25.00 | SpeedEvil | ferric: no - 2007.? |
| 01:25.24 | MadTBone | SpeedEvil: TI = Texas Instruments? |
| 01:25.31 | SpeedEvil | ferric: works fine for me. |
| 01:25.46 | ferric | SpeedEvil: ah. |
| 01:25.56 | SpeedEvil | MadTBone: yes - the chipset vendor. Barring anyone taking the leaked docs and hacking in UMA support to the existing firmware. |
| 01:26.24 | SpeedEvil | Basheri: ground-plane? |
| 01:26.25 | ferric | and then this person would be struck down by the force of law for breaking and entering. |
| 01:26.27 | MadTBone | SpeedEvil: right. |
| 01:26.28 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 01:27.01 | effbiai | hmm |
| 01:27.30 | MadTBone | gotta love NDAs and trade secrecy..... |
| 01:27.41 | Dave | Hooray! |
| 01:28.02 | ferric | Dave: ? |
| 01:28.20 | Dave | Who did what now? |
| 01:28.25 | Dave | Hello, ferric. |
| 01:28.41 | ferric | what up homie? |
| 01:35.11 | Dave | All my freerunners, at the moment :D |
| 01:35.16 | Dave | Batteries draining... :P |
| 01:35.25 | Dave | sweet |
| 01:35.36 | Dave | I commanded my little freerunner army to AWAKEn, and such they did :D |
| 01:36.42 | balrog-k1n | sounds evil |
| 01:38.57 | Dave | cackles maniacally. |
| 01:38.58 | cb22 | imagine a beowulf cluster of those ;) |
| 01:39.18 | SpeedEvil | ponders an ad. |
| 01:39.32 | SpeedEvil | USB-controlled mixer. |
| 01:39.39 | SpeedEvil | Iphone. |
| 01:39.42 | SpeedEvil | Freerunner. |
| 01:40.54 | cb22 | what would be undeniably awesome is to flash an iphone from freerunner |
| 01:41.03 | te_acrid | how do i unhide the asu keyboard? o_O |
| 01:41.11 | cb22 | just to put it in its place, you know :) |
| 01:41.13 | SpeedEvil | With OM. |
| 01:41.17 | SpeedEvil | 'All your base belong to us'. |
| 01:41.33 | cb22 | mwahaha |
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| 01:41.47 | cb22 | or a freerunner flashing another freerunner. that should be quite easy infact |
| 01:42.47 | goodwill | Dave: whatch ya doing? |
| 01:49.06 | MadTBone | Is there a guide to running openmoko on a standard x86 distro through an emulator? |
| 01:49.28 | spydon | yes |
| 01:50.05 | MadTBone | ahh......google is my friend....should have searched before I asked.... |
| 01:50.11 | MadTBone | sorry |
| 01:50.25 | spydon | ^^ |
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| 01:55.17 | Dave | Goodwill, trying for packages which don't exist |
| 01:55.20 | Dave | Did you disappear them? |
| 01:57.56 | effbiai | does it exist a tool to read the ST accelerometer LIS302DL? |
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| 02:01.56 | goodwill | Danker: what does that mean |
| 02:02.25 | goodwill | Dave: what does that mean |
| 02:04.39 | SpeedEvil | effbiai: you don't |
| 02:04.53 | SpeedEvil | effbiai: it's parsed by the kernel, and comes out on /dev/input/event2 (IIRC) |
| 02:06.04 | effbiai | i know it comes out on eventX, therefore i was wondering if it was a reader for it.. cuz eventX is just rubberish |
| 02:06.32 | goodwill | Dave: I did not make anythign disappear |
| 02:06.37 | goodwill | Dave: what do you need? |
| 02:08.00 | SpeedEvil | effbiai: no it's not. |
| 02:08.11 | SpeedEvil | effbiai: google for the format |
| 02:08.30 | SpeedEvil | It's a standard - maybe it's in Documentation in the linux kernel tree |
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| 02:33.19 | smhar | good morning |
| 02:34.02 | smhar | did openmoko webstore start offering the 900mhz models while I was away? :-) |
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| 02:34.46 | brian__ | they added some more 850's |
| 02:35.08 | brian__ | i was busy installing slack |
| 02:35.29 | SpeedEvil | They added those about 12 hours ago |
| 02:35.33 | SpeedEvil | maybe 250 |
| 02:38.20 | smhar | come on openmoko!!!! feel pitty for us, we have been waiting for ages, do some thing please |
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| 02:39.49 | rtm_ | Brian and SpeedEvil: How do you know 250 850 units were added? |
| 02:41.04 | slaxxer | i dont even know\ |
| 02:41.27 | slaxxer | they may have 10,000 |
| 02:41.44 | SpeedEvil | rtm_: go to the shop. |
| 02:41.56 | SpeedEvil | rtm_: enter 1000 in the quantity box as how many you want |
| 02:42.01 | slaxxer | try to buy 1000 |
| 02:42.05 | SpeedEvil | rtm_: it goes down to x |
| 02:42.22 | rtm_ | Oh - tricky! |
| 02:42.23 | SpeedEvil | rtm_: it's not unreasonable to assume that x is how many the shop software has been told are available. |
| 02:42.27 | slaxxer | dont necesserilly mean anything |
| 02:43.16 | slaxxer | since they added it means even less |
| 02:43.38 | SpeedEvil | No - however, given that it's going down on a repeated trend, with jumps up, it's a reasonable hypothesis. |
| 02:44.42 | rtm_ | SpeedEvil, how low did the count go before the 250 increment? Was the store even close to selling out of 850s? |
| 02:44.43 | SpeedEvil | There is however an easy way to test. |
| 02:44.59 | SpeedEvil | Can anyone paypal me $299*283? |
| 02:45.14 | slaxxer | yup |
| 02:45.40 | SpeedEvil | I was asleep at the period they were added - possibly 100 |
| 02:45.46 | slaxxer | thats what i need to do too |
| 02:46.06 | slaxxer | just buy the rest of them |
| 02:46.26 | slaxxer | start up the ebay account |
| 02:46.44 | SpeedEvil | Corner the market. |
| 02:47.16 | macdonalder | doc thought they were down to 140 or so 850s... the fact they've added more is good news - we were worried we might not oredr in time to get our 10 |
| 02:47.32 | rtm_ | Maybe if we enter a large, negative number in the order form, they'll start disassembling them, and the ones we have now will be even more valuable. |
| 02:48.06 | slaxxer | ? |
| 02:48.49 | macdonalder | heh |
| 02:49.13 | slaxxer | august the boat shippment arrives thus uncornering the market |
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| 02:50.02 | slaxxer | watch www.hogsbreath.com |
| 02:50.12 | slaxxer | stage cam |
| 02:50.20 | Dave | :| |
| 02:55.11 | doc|home | SpeedEvil: yey! |
| 02:56.15 | SpeedEvil | yey? |
| 02:56.22 | slaxxer | bitchx via freerunner? |
| 02:56.23 | doc|home | they added more :) |
| 02:56.26 | slaxxer | oo |
| 02:57.04 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: ah. Yeah - about 12h ago. |
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| 02:59.09 | rtm_ | SpeedEvil: From your probing if the online store, do you have an estimate of how many 850 units have been ordered? |
| 02:59.28 | ferric | billions! |
| 03:00.17 | macdonalder | eleventy billion to be precise |
| 03:01.55 | SpeedEvil | rtm_: I think it started at 500. Though I first saw it at 470. |
| 03:02.14 | SpeedEvil | rtm_: that would make it 700 so far. |
| 03:02.41 | ferric | eleventy billion sounds right |
| 03:03.40 | SpeedEvil | You can't use eleventy for counting things like freerunners. |
| 03:03.53 | SpeedEvil | They aren't eggs, or sausages! |
| 03:04.06 | rtm_ | I heard that roughly 5000 neo1973s sold in total. |
| 03:04.08 | macdonalder | you're right, they're both |
| 03:04.31 | ferric | rtm_: whoa. |
| 03:04.47 | ferric | so only a tenth of freerunners have been sold in the first 2 days. |
| 03:05.04 | ferric | why don't they tell us anything these FIC peoples. |
| 03:06.48 | carrar | still waiting for mine to knock on my door |
| 03:07.08 | carrar | UPS needs same day delivery :) |
| 03:07.31 | carrar | ... at a affordable price |
| 03:08.26 | ferric | haha |
| 03:09.48 | Drakeson | where can I get a debian package of openmoko development toolchain? |
| 03:12.07 | Drakeson | oh, 1/10 of available freerunners are sold? |
| 03:12.23 | Qwell | Drakeson: no |
| 03:12.28 | ferric | Drakeson: mokomakefile |
| 03:12.44 | Drakeson | is there no debian package of that? |
| 03:13.13 | ferric | no, the mokomakefile is a wrapper around everything you need |
| 03:13.28 | smhar | so the number of 900mhz models produced is less than 1/10?!! |
| 03:13.28 | Dave | crap |
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| 03:14.59 | SpeedEvil | smhar: don't assume that the first batch is 5000 |
| 03:15.13 | SpeedEvil | drake: |
| 03:17.01 | Drakeson | ? |
| 03:18.04 | roh | Drakeson the toolchain and all assorted libs are not really that static that packaging and submitting them upstream into distros makes sense. |
| 03:18.33 | roh | Drakeson its more important that mokomakefile does reproduce the same result on all distros |
| 03:19.12 | roh | in the end thats more of an OE issue but yeah. we do not want only debian to be a supported platform. why exclude anybody? |
| 03:19.39 | Drakeson | I still don't get it. |
| 03:19.58 | Drakeson | including debian is excluding others? |
| 03:20.26 | roh | no. but putting so much effort in to get packages (which would change often) would limit the time one has to get it working everywhere |
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| 03:21.32 | roh | doesnt make too much sense.. there is the packaged toolchain as tarball which is a 'target' in the OE build-tree one can set up with mokomakefile. so either one can build the whole enchilada or only use the toolchain (disto independant as tarball) |
| 03:22.18 | roh | of somebody would do all the work to package the toolchain for various distros that would be nice, of course. |
| 03:22.42 | Drakeson | well, to be honest, the reason me, and some people I know use debian packages for almost everything is that debian packages have some unwritten guarantee to at least install and work properly. |
| 03:23.16 | Drakeson | last time I checked, (about 3-4 month ago) there was a problem that prevented the toolchain to be built. |
| 03:24.00 | Drakeson | I will read a bit more, is this the correct place to look at --> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 03:24.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | if its from the debian archive its effectively carrying an install guarantee. if tis from a 3rd party there is no guaratnee |
| 03:24.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | *sp |
| 03:24.10 | roh | i think so |
| 03:24.47 | Drakeson | Kamping_Kaiser: yes, I was hoping that such an important package get into debian and ubuntu repositories. |
| 03:25.04 | Dave | Heh, Kaiser. |
| 03:25.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | Drakeson, feel free to file an ITP.... |
| 03:25.28 | Drakeson | that way it is ensured that many people can easily install and use the toolchain "hassle-free" |
| 03:26.30 | Drakeson | but if there is reason preventing that to happen, then it is a different issue. |
| 03:28.52 | roh | Drakeson to get into debian one would need a stable release first |
| 03:29.06 | roh | there is no stable release atm, so debian is somehow out of the picture |
| 03:29.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | for some value of stable |
| 03:30.30 | roh | yeah.. most of the time 'so stable its already nearly unsupported by maintainers and stale' |
| 03:30.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | there are packages that are in sid that are simply svn snapshots |
| 03:30.40 | Drakeson | there are several packages pulled directly from cvs or git repositories in debian unstable. |
| 03:31.12 | roh | don't get me wrong.. we use debian ourselves here at OM, or ubuntu.. but sometimes debian really annoys me with its policies and stubbornness |
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| 03:34.02 | Drakeson | so, to summarize, is the toolchain stable enough for normal usage? |
| 03:35.38 | angasule | I think a new debian stable is coming, debconf is next month, so soon after that, I hope |
| 03:38.06 | Drakeson | angasule: are you talking about openmoko toolchain in debian? |
| 03:38.20 | angasule | I'm talking about debian |
| 03:38.39 | angasule | debconf is taking place in mar del plata, argentina, the first two weeks of august |
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| 03:39.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | iirc freeze was meant to be october, very much iirc |
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| 03:40.14 | angasule | quite likely, but I bet a lot is going to happen at debconf, I'll be there :D |
| 03:40.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | :( bastard [i wnot be] |
| 03:42.33 | angasule | well, I live close by, so it's easy for me to go |
| 03:42.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | where is it this year? |
| 03:43.17 | angasule | mar del plata, argentina |
| 03:43.39 | angasule | it's not far from buenos aires |
| 03:43.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | cool. |
| 03:43.57 | angasule | yeap |
| 03:44.05 | angasule | would have been better in the summer, more bikinis :) |
| 03:44.13 | angasule | more girls in bikinis, that is |
| 03:44.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehehehe |
| 03:44.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | probably a good thing its winter then ;) |
| 03:45.33 | angasule | oh, well, there is always the chance a heat wave will hit mar del plata just in time :P |
| 03:46.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | will stay here and freeze his but off while you lot have fun then |
| 03:46.44 | angasule | oki, I'll send a postcard :P |
| 03:47.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | :P |
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| 03:49.02 | Dave | :P |
| 03:50.57 | ferric | yawns. |
| 03:53.19 | Dave | moos |
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| 03:56.14 | Drakeson | is the toolkit, and the example in it working? |
| 03:56.26 | Drakeson | *toolchain |
| 03:57.16 | Drakeson | I just tried to build openmoko-sample2 according to the wiki, and it just faild in `make'. |
| 03:58.08 | roh | Drakeson its stable enough to use it, but not stable enough to reasonably get a version into debian before it gets obsoleted. |
| 03:58.24 | roh | by a new 'version' |
| 03:58.49 | roh | also i think opkg and a bit of native stuff would need to get packaged then also i guess |
| 04:07.04 | wurp2|away | pokes ferric |
| 04:07.43 | wurp2|away | mwester: Are you about? |
| 04:11.28 | mbuf | Drakeson, paste the error in rafb.net/paste |
| 04:12.03 | mbuf | Drakeson, make 2>error.txt |
| 04:13.46 | ferric | jumps |
| 04:13.51 | ferric | que pasa, mi amiho? |
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| 04:21.34 | Dave | :p |
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| 04:29.34 | wurp2|away | ferric: Sorry, I should have checked back more often! |
| 04:30.23 | wurp2|away | Does anyone know if I change the OM_GIT_BRANCH in MokoMakefile, do I need to clean & build, or will a regular build figure out which files need updating? |
| 04:30.57 | wurp2|away | Hmm, I'm guessing I needed to clean, since running the build again did nothing :-( |
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| 04:49.32 | MrShlee | Hey, Anyone aware of an Australian bulk order? |
| 04:51.59 | wurp2|away | MrShlee: Did you try google site:wiki.openmoko.org australia? |
| 04:52.06 | wurp2|away | The wiki's search sucks |
| 04:52.45 | macdonalder | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales |
| 04:53.01 | MrShlee | wurp2|away: Bingo |
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| 04:53.17 | MrShlee | and I've added myself to the list ;) |
| 04:53.30 | wurp2|away | cool :-) |
| 04:55.03 | Gnutoo | hello, i've tried the FSO inside qemu...but the command sendkey ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work...how do i get a console? |
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| 04:55.21 | nighthawk06 | is there a way to install the openmoko on an imate pda ppc? |
| 04:55.21 | wurp2|away | Gnutoo: Start up a terminal program |
| 04:55.34 | wurp2|away | nighthawk06: I don't think so |
| 04:55.46 | wurp2|away | Google for openembedded with your HW |
| 04:55.48 | Gnutoo | wurp2|away, there is no terminal program in FSO... |
| 04:57.09 | nighthawk06 | my device is analog to HTC-Harmoni,. but on openembeded there is only installation to HTC-Universal,. I tried installing it on my device without any success... |
| 04:57.26 | wurp2|away | Gnutoo: Nope, there isn't |
| 04:57.35 | wurp2|away | That's why we're starting up SHR |
| 04:57.49 | nighthawk06 | do you know whethere there is a group that is working on an installation to openembeded imate pda ppc? |
| 04:57.57 | wurp2|away | nighthawk06: Then I think you're in for a long porting project |
| 04:58.05 | wurp2|away | nighthawk06: Sorry, nope :-( |
| 04:58.37 | swc|666 | HTC-Harmoni... is that even a real device? 0.o |
| 04:58.52 | goodwill | so I am running a tightvncviewer and wine in linux and it works beautifully |
| 04:59.02 | goodwill | no high cpu useage or anything |
| 04:59.07 | Railer | Installing updates? how hard will it be to do? if i have the phone in a week how will i update? |
| 04:59.25 | wurp2|away | Railer: Probably by burning a new image, the first time |
| 04:59.30 | nighthawk06 | swc: The HTC-Harmoni is a real device, it is compatiable with the imate ppc... |
| 04:59.51 | wurp2|away | opkg upgrade is easy to do, but it can break important apps if you do it at the wrong time |
| 05:00.25 | swc|666 | what is the HTC-Harmoni also known as? |
| 05:00.48 | Railer | what do you mean by burning the first time? |
| 05:01.01 | nighthawk06 | there are different devices on the list of HTC-Harmoni,. all I know is following to my check that my device is in that list.. |
| 05:01.17 | Gnutoo | wurp2|away, so why ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't work? |
| 05:01.35 | wurp2|away | Gnutoo: Because the device doesn't have a keyboard |
| 05:01.51 | swc|666 | i've had nearly every htc device and have never heard of the HTC-Harmoni |
| 05:02.09 | wurp2|away | So I would guess that support for c-a-f1 wasn't important, since it is never meaningful on the device |
| 05:02.18 | Gnutoo | wurp2|away, i plan to use a usb keyboard(i need to find the cable) for games,ssh... |
| 05:02.33 | Gnutoo | wurp2|away, will SHR support keyboard? |
| 05:03.01 | wurp2|away | Gnutoo: Hmm, good point... it should |
| 05:03.10 | wurp2|away | Gnutoo: I've never used a usb kbd on it, just bt |
| 05:03.23 | Gnutoo | wurp2|away, ok |
| 05:03.54 | wurp2|away | Gnutoo: Really, I should be able to put a listener for a bt-kbd in an init.d daemon & use a kbd on fso |
| 05:04.17 | wurp2|away | Gnutoo: Actually, the keyboard support should be in all the releases |
| 05:04.24 | wurp2|away | Like, right now |
| 05:04.36 | wurp2|away | You have to switch your usb into host mode |
| 05:05.31 | swc|666 | so has anyone tested usb host mode with an external USB wifi card on the FR? |
| 05:05.55 | wurp2|away | swc|666: You'd need to port a driver |
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| 05:06.33 | swc|666 | wurp2|away: i realize that... i'm going to run Debian mostly via microsd, but i'm just wondering if anyone has done so yet at all |
| 05:06.38 | goodwill | its possible to hook multiple devices via usb hub to open moko right? |
| 05:06.47 | wurp2|away | swc|666: Not afaik |
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| 05:06.49 | Gnutoo | wurp2|away, the problem is also that i would need to find the cable because i think i can handle patching and cross-compiling the kernel |
| 05:06.56 | wurp2|away | goodwill: Sure |
| 05:07.08 | wurp2|away | goodwill: And that's a good way to put devices that need more power on it |
| 05:07.10 | SpeedEvil | goodwill: yes - but a limited number - IIRC the SoC only supports a limited number of endpoints. |
| 05:07.49 | wurp2|away | Gnutoo: Offhand, I'd think a regular mini-b to usb converter, plus a male-to-male converter, would do the trick |
| 05:08.12 | wurp2|away | must sleep |
| 05:08.15 | wurp2|away | really away :-) |
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| 05:08.18 | Gnutoo | wurp2|away, ok bye |
| 05:08.22 | Gnutoo | wurp2|away, thanks |
| 05:08.26 | wurp2|away | yw :-) |
| 05:09.50 | rishi | The package signature URLs (wg., http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.sig) are no longer available. Any replacements for the same? |
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| 05:26.13 | nullpuppy | hmm.. how do i flash the qemu image w/ the fr images? |
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| 05:28.57 | goodwill | SpeedEvil: what the number? |
| 05:29.14 | SpeedEvil | goodwill: ? |
| 05:29.46 | SpeedEvil | Oh - 290. |
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| 05:37.46 | macdonalder | pardon my ignorance, FSO and ASU stand for what? |
| 05:40.28 | nullpuppy | freesmartphone.org and april software update |
| 05:40.41 | Gnutoo | macdonalder, http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
| 05:41.21 | macdonalder | ahhh thanks :) |
| 05:42.21 | ieatlint | anybody have one of the invisibleshield covers? i'm curious how well it works, and if it impairs the touchscreen at all |
| 05:44.45 | Railer | so iphone 3g whats the 3g stand for? |
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| 05:46.07 | carrar | generation? |
| 05:46.18 | Railer | ya never mind |
| 05:46.57 | Railer | wikipadia is funny it states 3g is between 2g and 4g |
| 05:47.00 | goodwill | I though 3g adoptions is still kinda meh |
| 05:47.14 | Railer | sounds like it |
| 05:47.25 | doc|home | not in !north america |
| 05:47.26 | ieatlint | att has 3g in most metro markets in the US |
| 05:47.48 | carrar | "better" spectral efficiency |
| 05:48.06 | Railer | rather go wifi |
| 05:48.11 | ieatlint | euro 3g is better though methinks... datarates are ~600-700kbit on att and tmobile 3g with hspda |
| 05:49.35 | carrar | I can get a solid 1mbps with AT&T HSPDA |
| 05:49.38 | carrar | here in the city |
| 05:49.53 | ieatlint | the city being? |
| 05:49.59 | carrar | Bellevue, WA |
| 05:50.06 | carrar | (USA) |
| 05:50.21 | SpeedEvil | IIRC, in parts of london, you can get 7mbps |
| 05:50.30 | carrar | nice |
| 05:50.31 | SpeedEvil | (england) |
| 05:50.32 | ieatlint | i dunno, my friends with att 3g on n95s get 600-700kbit with high latency |
| 05:50.39 | carrar | 7.2 per the marketing :) |
| 05:50.41 | carrar | heh |
| 05:50.46 | carrar | not gonna happen here :) |
| 05:51.10 | ieatlint | well the technology supports over 10... they're just restricting you |
| 05:51.11 | carrar | yeah the latency is very high here too |
| 05:51.15 | Railer | just watching cnet tv and the 1 hour iphone infomercial |
| 05:51.24 | ieatlint | it's still good enough for streaming video and such |
| 05:51.39 | carrar | any real time media sucks over it |
| 05:51.48 | carrar | like ssh |
| 05:51.50 | carrar | or whateve |
| 05:52.01 | carrar | bounce back takes too long |
| 05:52.13 | SpeedEvil | carrar: there are technical reasons for that. |
| 05:52.17 | carrar | however better then nothing |
| 05:52.32 | SpeedEvil | carrar: Namely that they don't want people doing VOIP. |
| 05:52.33 | ieatlint | yeah, it's good for throughput, not latency |
| 05:52.39 | carrar | yeah |
| 05:53.28 | carrar | So many free wifi places here if you are in a area that does HSPDA you can probably find a wifi spot that is better |
| 05:53.40 | Railer | hundreds of thousands |
| 05:54.12 | carrar | 7 starbucks within walking distance of my place |
| 05:54.17 | ieatlint | well, one of my friend commutes between san jose and san francisco on a train... he just tethers his phone to his laptop and sits online for the hour ride |
| 05:54.19 | carrar | all of them with free wifi |
| 05:54.30 | ieatlint | stupidly the train gives you a power outlet, but no wifi |
| 05:54.36 | carrar | heh |
| 05:55.30 | goodwill | has anyone tried titchy yet? http://charlie137-2.blogspot.com/2008/07/introducing-tichy.html |
| 05:56.22 | Railer | 3g and tether gets expensive, thats where I see FR taking over in a year forcing a opening of phone system world wide |
| 05:58.21 | ieatlint | unlimited data plans are affordable here |
| 05:58.38 | goodwill | ieatlint: where? |
| 05:58.44 | ieatlint | the US |
| 05:58.54 | goodwill | ieatlint: what plans are affordable? |
| 05:59.23 | Railer | canada! land of the gsm monopoly |
| 05:59.27 | goodwill | anyone knows Guillaume irc nickname is |
| 05:59.27 | ieatlint | tmobile has a $20 option... gprs/edge/hspda (hspda is available in like nyc only though, expanding to all major markets by new year) |
| 05:59.49 | ieatlint | even get a routable ip if you request it for no extra cost |
| 05:59.58 | goodwill | ieatlint: really? tmobile has a 20$ a month unlimited plan |
| 06:00.01 | goodwill | odd |
| 06:00.12 | ieatlint | for data as an add-on to voice plans, yes |
| 06:00.13 | goodwill | I should check for that |
| 06:00.20 | goodwill | hmmm |
| 06:00.27 | ieatlint | $40 for data only i think |
| 06:00.27 | Railer | you want to see our canada plans |
| 06:00.31 | goodwill | thats good, I was looking into tmobile |
| 06:00.36 | goodwill | Railer: are they good? |
| 06:01.00 | ieatlint | well, their 3g is a bitch |
| 06:01.27 | ieatlint | even if you have it, only 2 phones seem to support it, and neither of the two support hspda |
| 06:01.43 | ieatlint | (they have their own 3g bands separate from att and the rest of the world) |
| 06:01.59 | ieatlint | some sort of 1700/2100 hybrid |
| 06:02.51 | Railer | they suck |
| 06:02.53 | Railer | http://your.rogers.com/business/wireless/plans_services/business_plans.asp?plan=dataservice&cat=2&typ=2 |
| 06:03.49 | ieatlint | yeah, that's pretty shitty |
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| 06:04.08 | Railer | no unlimited, and that's JUST the dta |
| 06:04.19 | Railer | you still need a phone plan |
| 06:04.29 | rishi | mbuf: How can the downloaded packages be prevented from being cached in the flash? |
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| 06:05.01 | mbuf | rishi, i have not done "opkg update" |
| 06:05.06 | rishi | Ok |
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| 06:05.48 | ieatlint | for developing on the FR, do people recommend using xoo or what? |
| 06:09.51 | goodwill | ieatlint: not really clear yet |
| 06:10.10 | goodwill | ieatlint: like titchy just runs in pygame |
| 06:12.00 | charlie137 | hi |
| 06:12.03 | charlie137 | I am guillaume |
| 06:12.11 | charlie137 | charlie137 |
| 06:17.30 | goodwill | charlie137: hi |
| 06:17.44 | goodwill | charlie137: I've been attempting to compile titchy |
| 06:17.53 | charlie137 | ah yes |
| 06:17.59 | charlie137 | i saw your comment on my blog :) |
| 06:18.03 | goodwill | charlie137: and I error out. |
| 06:18.10 | goodwill | charlie137: any advice? |
| 06:18.21 | charlie137 | the problem : you need cython 0.9.6.14 |
| 06:18.28 | charlie137 | I saw the same thing b4 |
| 06:18.41 | goodwill | ok |
| 06:19.00 | charlie137 | you are trying to compile it for OM ? |
| 06:19.35 | goodwill | no |
| 06:19.38 | goodwill | 686 |
| 06:19.59 | charlie137 | well, if you run it on a desktop computer, no real need to compile |
| 06:20.00 | goodwill | getting ming next week |
| 06:20.04 | goodwill | I know |
| 06:20.09 | goodwill | I just want to be able to |
| 06:20.13 | charlie137 | yes :) |
| 06:20.13 | goodwill | for om later |
| 06:21.28 | goodwill | hmm latest cython is 9.8 |
| 06:21.31 | charlie137 | it is quite tricky to make it work on om, because : |
| 06:21.32 | charlie137 | * need to comile using the toolchain |
| 06:21.32 | charlie137 | * need to install pygame in the OM |
| 06:21.32 | charlie137 | * sdl on the framebuffer doesn't work (some resolution problem), so you need to specify x11 as a backend |
| 06:21.48 | charlie137 | well, I guess cython 9.8 should be fine |
| 06:21.58 | charlie137 | (I hope :O ) |
| 06:22.01 | goodwill | hehee |
| 06:22.05 | goodwill | why pygame? |
| 06:22.22 | charlie137 | pygame is the SDL wrapper for python |
| 06:22.32 | charlie137 | so not really related to games in fact |
| 06:22.41 | charlie137 | the name is very misleading |
| 06:22.59 | charlie137 | even though most people who use SDL do it for games |
| 06:23.27 | charlie137 | also, they have the package in OE |
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| 06:23.28 | goodwill | ok, thats a bad name you are right |
| 06:24.25 | charlie137 | still, pygame is a very good wrapper, and you can use it with C code using SDL |
| 06:24.53 | goodwill | does SDL perform well on OM? |
| 06:24.58 | charlie137 | yes |
| 06:25.12 | charlie137 | except that it has to use x11 |
| 06:25.23 | charlie137 | but that is a bug of the framebuffer driver |
| 06:25.44 | charlie137 | it should be possible to make it work with the framebuffer = direct access to the screen pixels |
| 06:26.00 | goodwill | I am not a fan of framebuffer |
| 06:26.04 | charlie137 | you can't beat SDL for the speed, it is almost the lowest lever |
| 06:26.17 | charlie137 | well, SDL works fine with x11 |
| 06:26.26 | goodwill | :) |
| 06:26.30 | charlie137 | *level |
| 06:26.32 | goodwill | thank you, I |
| 06:26.33 | smhar | so the france distributer only uses paypal and the india one only use cheques and money transfer... what happened to credit card option? |
| 06:27.02 | goodwill | smhar: you can use a cc thru paypal I think... |
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| 06:34.34 | smhar | ordering from France will it will take 6-8 weeks to ship and will cost me BD257.12 while from openmoko webstore it will be BD186.910 a difference of BD70.21 or $186.612 or Eur118.782 |
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| 06:40.51 | niklauz | somebody pinch me |
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| 06:45.23 | goodwill | charlie137: what linux distro do you run? |
| 06:48.40 | goodwill | charlie137: it compiled nicely with cython 0.9.8 |
| 06:48.48 | ozzloy | pinches niklauz |
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| 06:51.59 | goodwill | charlie137: however it does not seem to actually work. |
| 06:52.09 | goodwill | charlie137: ---> 22 from .image import Image |
| 06:52.19 | goodwill | cobject.Object does not appear to be the correct type object |
| 06:52.37 | goodwill | I'll try cython 0.9.6.14 |
| 06:54.09 | roh | BD? bahrein dollar? |
| 06:55.39 | niklauz | does anyone have any details on ordering the freerunner in the US? |
| 06:56.11 | nullpuppy | what kind of details? |
| 06:56.20 | niklauz | the recommended website www.fica.com doesn't even load |
| 06:56.25 | smhar | roh, Bahrain Dinars: 1 BHD = 2.65791 USD = 1.69181 EUR : http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi |
| 06:56.25 | nullpuppy | i purchased from the om.com store |
| 06:57.01 | niklauz | where should i order from, and when i order the phone do i get the laser pointer et. al. or do i need to get the acc. pack for that? |
| 06:57.03 | roh | smhar ah.. i see. interresting to know. didnt know that currency before |
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| 06:58.09 | niklauz | i don't see much about shipping times. |
| 06:58.24 | wurp2|away | niklauz: order from www.openmoko.com |
| 06:58.34 | smhar | roh, The dinar is used in other countries as well, ie. Kuwait and Jurdan, Iraq, but differnt dinars ofcourse :-) |
| 06:58.51 | ieatlint | rumour has it, openmoko.com orders ship monday, july 7 |
| 06:59.02 | ieatlint | from california |
| 06:59.09 | roh | smhar does it float or does it track some other value or currency? |
| 06:59.20 | niklauz | wurp2|away: ok, do you know if the base package comes with the laser pointer and the tote bag, or do i need to purchase them seperately? |
| 06:59.27 | smhar | roh, we are a dollar state, when the dollar sinks we sink |
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| 06:59.48 | roh | i see.. so the euro gets more expensive, right? |
| 06:59.51 | smhar | roh, and lately we are touching the ground deep under :-( |
| 06:59.54 | nullpuppy | i hope it ships monday. i paid for shipping according to that rumor |
| 07:00.02 | ieatlint | niklauz, the laser pointer comes with, as supplies last.. the tote comes with the 10 packs, otherwise you need the "spares pack" to get it |
| 07:00.23 | niklauz | k thx ieatlint |
| 07:00.51 | ieatlint | last i heard, the initial shipment all get the laser pointer, and there were something like 140 left to sell earlier today |
| 07:00.55 | niklauz | how many of you all are hackers? I'm wondering cuz I'm a foss enthusiast, but not a hacker |
| 07:00.58 | ieatlint | so odds are, if you order soon, you'll get it |
| 07:00.59 | smhar | roh, my hope is that om will start offering the 900mhz models soon directly from its webstore |
| 07:01.06 | niklauz | i wonder if i'll be able to do much with it at first |
| 07:01.39 | roh | smhar heh.. dunno what the sales plans are there... you could try getting a hold on steve or harry via mail. |
| 07:01.39 | niklauz | o and also, the 850mHz is correct for US right? |
| 07:01.49 | lpotter | yes |
| 07:01.52 | nullpuppy | niklauz: i'd put myself somewhere inbetween enthusiast and hacker at the moment. i hope to dev for it. |
| 07:01.55 | niklauz | I'm so flustered, i'll been waiting a long time to get one, lol |
| 07:01.58 | ieatlint | niklauz, short answer is yes |
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| 07:02.39 | niklauz | ieatlint: so if i order now I'll probably get it, but maybe not, lol |
| 07:02.46 | niklauz | have we learned nothing hahah |
| 07:02.58 | roh | smhar on the long run i think it would be nice to have a distributor step up for that region (but that will only happen when the sw is really 'end-user-proof'), given that you do not stay the only one who wants one |
| 07:02.58 | ieatlint | i don't make promises for things i have absolutely no control over :P |
| 07:03.04 | ieatlint | but from what i understand, you'll get it |
| 07:03.31 | niklauz | ya, i'm just losing it. I don't really need any additional motivation to order now |
| 07:05.29 | smhar | roh, the other thing is the language. while in Bahrain and the Gulf region english is widely spoken, Arabic is the language of most of the useless SMSs people send, and most will require arabic read/write support before they think of Freedom :-( |
| 07:06.18 | roh | smhar yeah. but thats a generic problem, which is solvable with opensource components. |
| 07:06.49 | roh | after all pango and colleagues can render rtl as well as ltr quite a while.. |
| 07:08.41 | roh | should be translation-work only in gtk apps.. efl doesnt have rtl support atm afaik (not sure tho) |
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| 07:13.17 | smhar | roh, translation will not be a problem, I can volenteer for that, and any other thing short of actual coding... I am not there yet :-) |
| 07:13.56 | ieatlint | just pretend you are and silence anyone who asks you about memory leaks... it's what i do |
| 07:14.16 | smhar | he he |
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| 07:15.23 | smhar | so all those those times I was being told so about memory leaks were .....!! |
| 07:17.45 | roh | smhar well.. first the apps must be complete and debugged enough to make internationalisation efforts make sense. |
| 07:18.22 | roh | but thats for the offer.. i hope youre still there when we are that far ;) |
| 07:19.20 | niklauz | what shipping did u all use? |
| 07:20.11 | niklauz | i guess the concensus is that shipping starts monday? |
| 07:20.16 | smhar | roh, I do not mind little waiting and sucrifice for the sake of more Freedom, and do not worry, I will always be there... here |
| 07:20.57 | nullpuppy | niklauz: i ordered ground, since typically stuff from northern ca get here in about 3 days |
| 07:21.30 | smhar | roh, infact once I finish learning php and mysql (the basics) which I started already.. I will start learning python to help in prodocing more applications for FR |
| 07:21.40 | roh | ;) |
| 07:22.09 | roh | i only know that much php i need to keep it working and get some replacement in another language in place |
| 07:22.45 | roh | yeah.. knowing real python further than hacking stuff up would be good (more and more webapps we use at om are python) |
| 07:22.51 | niklauz | i'm getting an error on ordering that says "error from Hi Trust gateway" anyone seen this? |
| 07:24.47 | nullpuppy | yeah, most likely your CC company blocking it since it's a company in taiwan. try calling your CC company and then reorder. |
| 07:26.25 | niklauz | sheds a tear |
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| 07:29.59 | niklauz | something i've wondered about for a while, how does the OM stack (lets say FSO) relate to LiMo ? Are they seemless compliments, do they comete in any way? |
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| 07:33.44 | niklauz | anyone on have a freerunner with the FSO update? |
| 07:33.53 | smhar | I am refreshing the websore every 10 minutes in the hope of getting the 900mhz models as soon are they are availble fearing they would be sold out .. it would be nice of openmoko people atlease give us an estimate of availablity date/time.. who knows.. I could be refreshing the page for weeks :-) |
| 07:33.59 | niklauz | i'm wondering about the practical functinality at present |
| 07:34.51 | LionKMP | smhar: :-D |
| 07:35.10 | ozzloy | niklauz: when i ordered the FR, the order was blocked, then my cc company called me to confirm |
| 07:35.24 | LionKMP | niklauz: download an image and run in qemu? (I never succeeded to run the ASU on qemu yet :) ) |
| 07:35.59 | ozzloy | niklauz: after that i redid the order and it went through. they were suspicious because it was a company in taiwan, to confirm what nullpuppy said |
| 07:36.42 | niklauz | how long after you placed the order did you get the call? |
| 07:37.11 | ozzloy | 10 minutes? wells fargo visa check card |
| 07:37.25 | niklauz | hot damn! |
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| 07:37.57 | niklauz | well it's 3:30am here, i hope i hear from them in the morning or at least some time today |
| 07:38.15 | ozzloy | niklauz: east coast-ish? |
| 07:38.25 | niklauz | ya EST |
| 07:38.25 | ozzloy | niklauz: maybe they have people 24/7 awake |
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| 07:39.17 | niklauz | i hope so... |
| 07:40.02 | ieatlint | my order went through, but wamu called like 10-20min later to confirm it |
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| 07:43.51 | roh | niklauz it does phone calls (fso milestone1) |
| 07:44.24 | roh | nothing else.. only a dialer, no phonebook, no sms, no other ui apps reachable (besides a half-complete input-method experiment) |
| 07:45.05 | roh | its asks for a pin, can be rung, and call other phones. 1 call at a time (multiple call handling and other stuff like phonebook or sms are in later milestones) |
| 07:45.22 | niklauz | have you played with it directly? |
| 07:45.38 | roh | http://trac.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example/roadmap?show=all |
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| 07:45.52 | roh | jap. here on freerunner prototype#85 |
| 07:47.20 | niklauz | roh: i read about that stuff, I was wondering about battery life and reception, other related stuffs |
| 07:47.43 | ieatlint | considering how easy sms support is with the modem AT commands, how can it not support it at all? |
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| 07:50.43 | niklauz | btw for milestone 4 (http://trac.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example/milestone/milestone4) anyone know whwat GSoC integration means? |
| 07:50.55 | niklauz | I mean that looks like Google Summer of Code to me....? |
| 07:51.52 | roh | jap |
| 07:52.55 | roh | https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2008#Accepted_Ideas |
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| 07:53.37 | niklauz | i couldn't access that page actually.. oh, self signed cert issue |
| 07:54.43 | niklauz | or expired, nm --- viewable here as well (http://code.google.com/soc/2008/openmoko/about.html) |
| 07:54.53 | niklauz | these are all brilliant |
| 07:56.29 | niklauz | roh, do u know how the LiMo and OM projects relate to each otehr? |
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| 08:12.14 | roh | niklauz not really... but afaik the answer is 'not really' |
| 08:13.09 | roh | limo and lipo or what it was called merged recently.. but besides 'carriers talking' nothing happens |
| 08:13.53 | roh | atleast nothing which would help customers anything or get usable opensource written |
| 08:15.01 | niklauz | it seems like limo is squarely aimed at carriers and handset makers, but they are also advertising an api |
| 08:15.40 | LionKMP | "Q: Will LiMoâs code and/or APIs be made available to non-members? If so, when?" "A:All code and APIs will be made available to non-members once it is sufficiently vetted and tested." |
| 08:15.56 | niklauz | i hope there can be collaboration between all parties, otherwise they will lose |
| 08:16.06 | niklauz | i hate to see them lose all the effort |
| 08:16.08 | Gnutoo | hello, how do i enable the power saving feature in 2007.2? |
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| 08:19.31 | roh | niklauz to be fair, i do not anticipate limo to bring anything which one would want to use |
| 08:21.17 | roh | they are about carriers keeping their revenue, not getting technology more useful to the user. means anticipate lock-ins everywhere, limits which interfaces one can use for data transfer etc. |
| 08:21.30 | roh | and "A:All code and APIs will be made available to non-members once it is sufficiently |
| 08:21.53 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.09 | roh | not 'speak up and lets discuss how we want to do this' |
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| 08:25.28 | niklauz | roh, you're probably right though there is so much work to do they almost can't help but do something useful |
| 08:26.45 | niklauz | in the case they do, i hope the work is transferable since it's in everyone's best interest |
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| 08:27.07 | niklauz | Om just left |
| 08:27.56 | roh | i do not see that stuff like lock-ins or mms ever were 'in everyone's best interest' |
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| 08:28.35 | niklauz | lol, ya but u know what i mean |
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| 09:29.11 | pvborza | instructions were in GSoC Acc-based Gestures Update 6.1 on the devel-list |
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| 09:55.12 | ChaosEagle | Hi everyone! |
| 09:55.33 | niklauz | waves |
| 09:55.38 | ebbe | Hi doctor Nick.. I mean ChaosEagle |
| 09:55.43 | ChaosEagle | LOL |
| 09:55.52 | ChaosEagle | got his freerunner yesterday =) |
| 09:56.01 | niklauz | when did you order? |
| 09:56.10 | ChaosEagle | erm... last Friday |
| 09:56.14 | ChaosEagle | @Pulster |
| 09:56.27 | ChaosEagle | was lucky to get one from the first batch, though |
| 09:56.39 | niklauz | Wha!?! you got your FR in 1 day? |
| 09:56.54 | ChaosEagle | oh, no, not THAT last Friday, sorry! |
| 09:57.09 | niklauz | lol, o ok, what shipping did you chose? |
| 09:57.13 | ChaosEagle | the one before that - June 27th |
| 09:57.22 | ChaosEagle | Nachnahme ^^ |
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| 09:57.43 | ChaosEagle | I think there weren't any more shipment options, really... just the form of payment |
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| 09:58.57 | ChaosEagle | Does anyone have an idea of how to get gps up and running with the 2007.2-image? |
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| 09:59.35 | rtm | ChaosEagle: neo1973 or Freerunner? |
| 09:59.41 | ChaosEagle | Freerunner, rtm |
| 10:00.04 | rtm | ChaosEagle: Sorry, my Freerunner hasn't arrived yet. |
| 10:00.16 | ChaosEagle | never mind, thanks anyway =) |
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| 10:00.33 | Sup3rkiddo | pvborza, i did |
| 10:01.06 | niklauz | ChaosEagle: when u got your FR did it have 2007.2 ASU or FSO on it? |
| 10:01.22 | ChaosEagle | 2007.2 |
| 10:01.57 | ChaosEagle | But I already gave ASU a try, but have gone back to 2007.2 for now |
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| 10:07.07 | Ainulindale | Hey there. |
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| 10:19.55 | pvborza | Sup3rkiddo: sorry, wasn't at the computer. what do you think? |
| 10:22.00 | Sup3rkiddo | pvborza, its interesting :D, i was just wondering, do you do some math with the values from event2,3.....they give a constant stream don't they? |
| 10:22.52 | pvborza | yes, the accels keep sending reports on and on |
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| 10:23.30 | pvborza | I'll have to add a --verbose flag, so that one could see the decoded states of the acceleration sequence |
| 10:24.09 | pvborza | Sup3rkiddo: did it recognize the gestures correctly? |
| 10:24.25 | Sup3rkiddo | pvborza, yeah i do get activity |
| 10:24.44 | Sup3rkiddo | pvborza, you said, the training sets were generated with wii..... |
| 10:25.21 | ccfly | thank you Wiedi |
| 10:25.24 | pvborza | only for the classifier, as I didn't have time to change that for the Neo and I wanted to get a release done |
| 10:25.36 | pvborza | the gestures aren't trained at all |
| 10:25.48 | pvborza | they're just with my initial estimates from the Neo |
| 10:26.42 | pvborza | Sup3rkiddo: I'll be working on a GUI for the training of the gestures for the Neo this week |
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| 10:27.12 | pvborza | Sup3rkiddo: till now, I've always used a console app to do the training |
| 10:27.46 | Sup3rkiddo | pvborza, i see...gui would be nice.... |
| 10:28.31 | pvborza | Sup3rkiddo: it's necessary, and it's one of the requirements in the GSoC proposal |
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| 10:29.30 | Sup3rkiddo | pvborza, yeah, i saw your app..;), do you think it will be good to provide a device control plugin for accels |
| 10:29.41 | Sup3rkiddo | ( if at all its possible ) |
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| 10:30.11 | pvborza | Sup3rkiddo: what do you mean by device control plugin? |
| 10:31.06 | Sup3rkiddo | pvborza, you know a dbus interface, like shuttig it down, when not in use |
| 10:32.02 | pvborza | Sup3rkiddo: oh yes, anyone will be able to communicate with gesd through dbus; but that will be done after the GUI training app is ready |
| 10:32.44 | pvborza | Sup3rkiddo: seems like everybody wants that - gestures with dbus |
| 10:33.42 | Sup3rkiddo | pvborza, right....:D, i guess when ousaged is mature, it will be cool if use use that |
| 10:35.46 | ebbe | I think I don't have any imagination.. What are the use-cases for gestures? When will people use them? |
| 10:36.08 | Sup3rkiddo | ebbe, games, profile switching |
| 10:36.31 | ebbe | Sup3rkiddo: Profile switching? |
| 10:36.49 | Sup3rkiddo | ebbe, you know, switching profiles based on the position of the FR |
| 10:36.52 | ebbe | But games of course. How could I forget |
| 10:37.24 | Sup3rkiddo | like switching on the vibrator if you have the device in your pockets |
| 10:37.39 | ebbe | Isn't that hard to detect? |
| 10:37.59 | Sup3rkiddo | seemingly yeah, pvborza would be the right person to answer that |
| 10:38.08 | pvborza | here are some ideas http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gestures |
| 10:39.53 | pvborza | here are is my thesis, http://www.borza.ro/index.php/2008/07/03/read-my-bachelors-thesis/ |
| 10:40.34 | Sup3rkiddo | pvborza, is there any way you can think of to switch off the accels |
| 10:40.46 | ebbe | Wow, it's really cool :) |
| 10:41.10 | pvborza | the accels are consuming power as long as I read from /dev/input/event2 |
| 10:41.31 | pvborza | Sup3rkiddo: (I think so :) ) |
| 10:41.50 | Sup3rkiddo | pvborza, hmm, i think i could add some API for switching it on and off |
| 10:42.27 | pvborza | Sup3rkiddo: and as far as I know there is a threshold that can be set so that the accels won't send values |
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| 10:43.04 | pvborza | Sup3rkiddo: have to go now, I'm making the movie with the Wii |
| 10:43.11 | Sup3rkiddo | pvborza, initiallly i thought accels would generate data only if the position change and i could send DBus signals based on the payload...but by jingo, i got block |
| 10:43.14 | pvborza | and I'll post it on YouTube |
| 10:43.22 | Sup3rkiddo | pvborza, hehe, yeah and the ml |
| 10:43.42 | ChaosEagle | re |
| 10:43.52 | pvborza | Sup3rkiddo: no, the accels send data continuosly regardless of the position |
| 10:44.04 | pvborza | Sup3rkiddo: but this can be easily changed in the kernel |
| 10:44.20 | Sup3rkiddo | pvborza, yeah, i realised that when my code froze :P |
| 10:44.32 | pvborza | Sup3rkiddo: the Wii has these two modes (continuosly, or only when the values change) |
| 10:44.38 | Sup3rkiddo | pvborza, i see |
| 10:44.55 | pvborza | Sup3rkiddo: talk to you later. by |
| 10:44.57 | pvborza | bye |
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| 10:45.01 | Sup3rkiddo | pvborza, bye |
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| 10:50.15 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm, any kernel guys here, will EVIOCGRAB from input.h do the job for releasing event2,3 when not in use? |
| 10:52.14 | lindi- | Sup3rkiddo: can't you just close the device? |
| 10:52.27 | lindi- | (i am guessing here only) |
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| 10:52.55 | Sup3rkiddo | lindi-, i could?...i dont know i am a newbie as well, but i though close takes fds as arguments |
| 10:53.09 | lindi- | Sup3rkiddo: yep |
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| 10:54.15 | lindi- | i'm getting my device in a month or so, maybe i should familiarize myself with the build system soon |
| 10:55.12 | spydon | Does any know how long delivery time there is from pulster? |
| 10:56.43 | rtm | Does anyone know of a good place to find documentation about how to package an application so that it can be installed with opkg? |
| 10:59.27 | ebbe | spydon: I heard one say a week |
| 10:59.35 | spydon | ebbe, nice |
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| 11:00.20 | ebbe | rtm: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 11:00.46 | rtm | ebbe: Thanks a bunch! |
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| 11:04.28 | Ainulindale | Hmpf, syntax error while building dbus-glib-native for FSO. |
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| 12:32.37 | bumbl | hi |
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| 12:53.12 | SpeedEvil | suffers from failed binary locale generation. |
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| 13:33.49 | te_acrid | on om.com i found the ASU and the "gtk" image.. where can i get the third type? |
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| 13:38.40 | kuzgun | what is the sanity test during the package building process ( invoked with bitbake -b x.bb -D ) |
| 13:38.47 | kuzgun | I get an error |
| 13:39.25 | kuzgun | http://pastebin.com/m39d016c7 |
| 13:40.22 | jandark | http://www.gadgetregistry.com/cell-phones/2008/07/06/142/neo-freerunner-now-available.html |
| 13:40.29 | jandark | ...AGPS (but youâll need to connect an external GPS)... |
| 13:40.33 | jandark | is it true ? |
| 13:44.14 | zash | no |
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| 13:44.29 | zash | AGPS = GPS that can take aditional input |
| 13:44.37 | zash | you can "help" it |
| 13:45.10 | Ainulindale | What do you mean by additional ? |
| 13:46.07 | Basheri | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AGPS |
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| 13:47.32 | Gnutoo | hello,i'm compiling "openmoko" from open embedded....but i'd like to activate the power save features...how do i do that? |
| 13:47.43 | Gnutoo | s/save/saving |
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| 14:03.01 | Dave | you have no chance to survive make your power! |
| 14:04.59 | HauDyr | make clean; make power; |
| 14:05.05 | Dave | make lunch |
| 14:05.28 | HauDyr | sudo make me a sandwich |
| 14:05.32 | Dave | fuck sudo |
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| 14:05.59 | HauDyr | you ment sudo fsck |
| 14:06.07 | Dave | sudo fsck you? |
| 14:06.28 | HauDyr | heh |
| 14:06.34 | Subfusc | $you |
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| 14:24.13 | cruxis | hey there. Does anyone sucessfully use mp3/gstreamer with openmoko devel image? |
| 14:25.00 | Blalien | what are the differences between the latest NEO1973 GTA01 Bv4 snapshot and the one on the Freerunner? |
| 14:25.47 | SpeedEvil | bru: you mean the hardware? |
| 14:25.50 | SpeedEvil | bla: |
| 14:26.15 | Blalien | SpeedEvil: I mean the difference in Software and Firmware |
| 14:26.31 | SpeedEvil | none |
| 14:26.36 | SpeedEvil | well - software |
| 14:26.56 | SpeedEvil | what are you actually asking? |
| 14:27.09 | Blalien | SpeedEvil: So the latest snapshot is from 2008-05-07? |
| 14:27.15 | geocode1 | diff -r --brief new old |
| 14:27.21 | geocode1 | :-) |
| 14:28.21 | Blalien | SpeedEvil: I'm asking this because of the Phone Functionality and if there will be a new snapshot coming soon. |
| 14:29.35 | SpeedEvil | The functionality is essentially the same. |
| 14:29.47 | SpeedEvil | Barring short-term glitches and extra hardware. |
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| 14:41.41 | Gnutoo | anyone? |
| 14:41.52 | Gnutoo | hello,i'm compiling "openmoko" from open embedded....but i'd like to activate the power saving features...how do i do that? |
| 14:42.06 | SpeedEvil | You code it from scratch in many aspects. |
| 14:43.47 | Subfusc | hehehe |
| 14:44.11 | Subfusc | The power saving features are not so good right now, after my experience |
| 14:44.14 | cruxis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:44.58 | pkern | Hi, does anyone know how to set a ringtone (even over SSH) with a current daily openmoko-devel-image? |
| 14:45.11 | SpeedEvil | cruxis: no |
| 14:45.25 | SpeedEvil | cruxis: it's a different software stack - you can build any you choose. |
| 14:45.37 | Gnutoo | Subfusc, yes they are buggy that is to say: suspend-resume doesn't work well but i don't need to suspend-resume...and i need a good battery life...so what should i do? |
| 14:45.47 | cruxis | @speedevil thx! |
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| 14:46.17 | SpeedEvil | cruxis: the build environemnt can build the old or the new. Or FSO. |
| 14:46.46 | Gnutoo | SpeedEvil, wow so what's the image to build to get the new or the FSO on oe? |
| 14:47.05 | SpeedEvil | gnu{-: you use the same makefile and set flags to build the different softwares. |
| 14:47.49 | Gnutoo | SpeedEvil, i use org.openembedded.dev, should i use something else? |
| 14:48.12 | SpeedEvil | gnu{-: mokomakefile on the wiki is used by some to automate the build process a bit |
| 14:49.17 | Gnutoo | SpeedEvil, ok i'll read that page... |
| 14:49.19 | cruxis | SpeedEvil: yes, i used the fso, but there was only the phone-functions implemented in the image. On the other menu entrys there was the text: "placeholder, demo....." |
| 14:49.27 | cruxis | is there another one |
| 14:49.43 | cruxis | or do i have to install the applications using ssh? |
| 14:50.16 | SpeedEvil | fso is very minimal at teh moment :) |
| 14:50.58 | igor321 | yo, does anyone know when the 900 mhz will be available? |
| 14:51.01 | cruxis | i noticed it ;-) |
| 14:51.42 | HauDyr | igor321, its avalibe in the european shops |
| 14:51.51 | igor321 | HauDyr: not anymore :) |
| 14:52.09 | HauDyr | ok it was when i ordered it :-) |
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| 14:52.33 | igor321 | seems i have to wait till august :) |
| 14:52.35 | Blalien | igor321: At Pulster.de it will be available onthe 25th of July |
| 14:52.59 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r955d6f6a2553 10/odeviced/src/daemon/helpers.vala: Cleanup dbus_path before setting the corresponding property in plugin\nAdd some comments |
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| 14:53.12 | Blalien | igor321: And at handheld-linux.com it will become available on the 15th of July |
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| 14:53.50 | Blalien | I recommend Handheld-Linux.com, because of the good service that Pulster.de doesn't provide |
| 14:54.06 | igor321 | Blalien: pulster changed it's prices so i'm considering other options, mainly bearstech |
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| 14:54.18 | HauDyr | igor321, handheld-linux says it will be restocked soon |
| 14:54.39 | igor321 | yeah, i'm checking them out right now |
| 14:54.47 | igor321 | also hoping for some gta02 on the ebay |
| 14:55.00 | Blalien | ogir321: I mailed them and they told me they will receive them the 15th |
| 14:55.50 | Gnutoo | SpeedEvil, by the way do you know how to enable the power saving features in the 2007.2 builds? or how to enable it in oe's build? |
| 14:55.51 | HauDyr | handheld-linux is maby more expensive but i dont care cos I WANT MY FeeRunner!! |
| 14:56.59 | Blalien | HauDyr: It doesn't matter to me either, plus Pulster.de changed it's prices. And TriSoft is even more expensive. |
| 14:57.15 | SpeedEvil | gnu{-: waht do you mean by power saving features. |
| 14:57.32 | SpeedEvil | Gnutoo: most of the desired eventual power saving features are simply not coded yet. |
| 14:57.48 | MrShlee | I'm waiting for a bulk buy.. These suckers are going to be hard to get your hands on for awhile |
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| 14:59.24 | igor321 | i was hoping for some disappointed buyers selling on the ebay |
| 14:59.39 | igor321 | still not happening, that :) |
| 14:59.54 | Blalien | MrShlee: Yeah I thought about that to. But I'm a student and I don't have the money for that. |
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| 15:01.09 | cruxis | how can i configure my panel/taskbar with clock/wireless-status or something else? ....mmh i miss the preferences program from neo :-) |
| 15:01.16 | Gnutoo | SpeedEvil, realy? i thought they were in fso and not activated in 2007.1: Jul 03 23:53:32 <wurp2> Gnutoo: You can have good battery life (well, > 20 hours) right now if you install FSO ; Jul 05 23:20:53 <Tig|_> the 2007.2 image does not enable power saving as default, prolly because it is a bit buggy |
| 15:01.50 | SpeedEvil | Gnutoo: it's the suspend-RAM thing - it's not reliable ATM. I forget how I enabled it. |
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| 15:04.59 | Gnutoo | SpeedEvil, so it's the power saving features are only suspend-to-ram? they are not power saving features that permit the phone to be connected on the phone network for a long time? |
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| 15:08.48 | ebbe | Gnutoo: Even when the phone is suspended to ram, the gsm is still active.. Does this answer your question? |
| 15:09.36 | Gnutoo | ebbe, wow thanks a lot,yet it answer my question, so if i receive a phone call the phone wakes up? |
| 15:09.45 | ebbe | Yep |
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| 15:22.27 | smhar | whenver I return to my pc and I hit the refresh button of the browser to get the latest updated page of webstore: http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner , my heart beat increase dramatically awating for the new page .. only to discover that the 900 mhz models are still not available :-( |
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| 15:25.33 | offray_ | Hi all |
| 15:26.26 | offray_ | I'm trying to ssh to Freerunner and it ask me for a password. Anybody know it? |
| 15:26.38 | ebbe | offray_: It's blank |
| 15:26.56 | offray_ | ok |
| 15:27.21 | ebbe | offray_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 15:27.41 | HauDyr | offray_, typing b.l.a.n.k.... :) |
| 15:28.07 | offray_ | :) |
| 15:28.25 | Gnutoo | offray_, just press enter...and you're in |
| 15:29.10 | TAsn | Well guys, I think he got the point :) |
| 15:29.26 | offray_ | is strange, when I made ping to 192.168.0.200 I get response, but when I made it to 192.168.0.202, nothing happens, same with ssh |
| 15:30.08 | offray_ | but when I try to enter using ssh to 192...200 It ask me for a password, putting just enter doesn't work |
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| 15:31.00 | offray_ | ssh root@192.168.0.200 |
| 15:31.00 | offray_ | root@192.168.0.200's password: [Enter] |
| 15:31.00 | offray_ | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 15:31.00 | offray_ | root@192.168.0.200's password: |
| 15:31.28 | ebbe | offray_: Have you read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner ? |
| 15:31.35 | offray_ | yep |
| 15:31.55 | offray_ | I'm reading it a this moment |
| 15:32.34 | ebbe | offray_: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 15:32.47 | ebbe | offray_: ssh root@192.168.0.202 |
| 15:33.01 | offray_ | in fact is a little surprise to see that we configure: |
| 15:33.01 | offray_ | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 15:33.01 | offray_ | ssh root@192.168.0.202 |
| 15:33.01 | offray_ | because 0.202 is not responding |
| 15:33.21 | offray_ | only 0.200 |
| 15:35.21 | offray_ | umm... it seems that the phone just turned off, no activity on the screen |
| 15:35.49 | bumbl | offray_: not turned off but it suspended |
| 15:35.56 | bumbl | press the power button |
| 15:36.54 | MrShlee | Can someone youtube the freerunner? |
| 15:37.02 | TAsn | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_Overview |
| 15:37.07 | TAsn | the pics from this page |
| 15:37.11 | TAsn | are taken from qtopia? |
| 15:37.19 | TAsn | asu* |
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| 15:39.03 | TAsn | and i saw that sound is mono, does it also apply to the sound coming out using a stereo headset? |
| 15:39.08 | SpeedEvil | No |
| 15:39.11 | SpeedEvil | one speaker only |
| 15:39.14 | SpeedEvil | so it's mono. |
| 15:39.16 | ebbe | TAsn: ASU |
| 15:39.33 | SpeedEvil | You can get stereo from the headset socket, and A2DP. |
| 15:39.55 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, that's what i mean, thanks :) |
| 15:40.31 | TAsn | ebbe, thanks. i think that when i tried flashing it i got something else. the what's the one with the blue background? |
| 15:41.06 | ebbe | TAsn: That sound like FSO |
| 15:41.28 | TAsn | ebbe, i c. well thanks again. |
| 15:42.05 | igor321 | that wiki link, the ASU doesn't look half bad :) |
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| 15:42.52 | TAsn | igor321, that's what i was thinking. |
| 15:42.57 | TAsn | actually looks great. |
| 15:43.14 | TAsn | well the dark menus are kinda out of fashion, but still ;0 |
| 15:43.17 | igor321 | icons are maybe a bit ugly, but that's easily sorted :) |
| 15:43.37 | TAsn | igor321, yeah. |
| 15:43.41 | igor321 | dunno, i find the menus quite elegant :) |
| 15:44.07 | igor321 | i'd like to change the font to monochrome green though, for extra l33t cred :) |
| 15:45.05 | TAsn | igor321, have you watched matrix yesterday for the first time? |
| 15:45.06 | TAsn | ;) |
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| 15:45.49 | igor321 | i watched it some time ago, i always keep it green on black, even in '93., when it wasn't as cool :) |
| 15:46.01 | TAsn | igor321, hehe. |
| 15:46.34 | smhar | what make me wonder alot is that, so far openmoko has been transparent about almost everything true to the FOSS ideals, but why they are keeping us in the dark regarding an estimate of avilabilty of 900mhz models in the webstore for the rest of the world?! not even an email, I feel sad and worried |
| 15:46.49 | SpeedEvil | shm: that's stating it a bit overly. |
| 15:47.38 | SpeedEvil | smhar: the people at the coal-face seem to be not allowed to discuss anything policy - or simply do not know. |
| 15:47.39 | igor321 | i don't think they expected this demand and quite possibly their production capacity is limited |
| 15:48.05 | SpeedEvil | smhar: historically, we have _never_ had good communication saying 'stock is in route. |
| 15:48.37 | smhar | SpeedEvil, I was trying to be nice :-) |
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| 15:56.22 | Dave | Evil! |
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| 16:02.34 | polz | which kernel image is supposed to be the most recent and have suspend to RAM working ? |
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| 16:11.10 | kelvan | hi |
| 16:12.58 | kelvan | i have a problem with my new freerunner, i pluged in my headset ant got no sound, after a while the accu was empty after loading and booting i only have sound on my headset, i flashed a new image but the problem is still there, somebody knows this problem? |
| 16:14.08 | _newbie3 | there are some alsa presets around you could try to load. (/me doesn't own any of these devices) |
| 16:15.35 | kelvan | is it possibly that it switched to headset in the "bios" (or something equal)? |
| 16:16.24 | kelvan | i will play around with alsa when my neo is booting up again (in a long time :D) |
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| 16:18.11 | Subfusc | You can also try removing your .pulse folder |
| 16:18.15 | Subfusc | in home dir |
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| 16:20.36 | TAsn | or changing the output device in pulseaudio (don't know if it's possible, just suggesting reasonable ideas :) ) |
| 16:23.33 | kelvan | i renamed all pulse config folders and rebooting |
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| 16:24.46 | TAsn | is crossing fingers. |
| 16:26.14 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r94a698fa3c53 10/src/applications/qtmail/ (readmail.cpp readmail.h): [qtmail] Allow to save to addresses from outgoing SMS/Mail |
| 16:26.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * rb007b0bc8327 10/src/applications/qtmail/ (readmail.cpp readmail.h): [qtmail] Disable "Save to Contacts" if that will not be possible |
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| 16:31.10 | Guilt | hey fellows. |
| 16:31.29 | Guilt | still waiting for my freerunner. anybody got theirs yet/ |
| 16:32.01 | ebbe | Guilt: Several people has |
| 16:32.39 | Guilt | shit. when did it ship? F*cking customs clearance pending in India |
| 16:33.07 | Guilt | i don't get it. WHAT is their problem anyway |
| 16:33.20 | ebbe | Shipped from Germany.. |
| 16:33.23 | Guilt | by that, I mean the customs officials |
| 16:33.28 | Guilt | :/ dang |
| 16:33.48 | Guilt | so how is it? |
| 16:34.06 | Guilt | any comments? |
| 16:34.06 | ebbe | Don't know. I only have a Neo1973 |
| 16:34.12 | Guilt | hmm |
| 16:34.34 | kelvan | I played aroung with the alsamixer but cannot find anything that gives me the speaker sound back :( (unmute speaker in alsamixer do nothing) |
| 16:34.51 | lindi- | hmm |
| 16:34.52 | Guilt | kelvan: try running amixer |
| 16:35.06 | Guilt | and unmuting all channels.. and doing alsactl store |
| 16:35.37 | _newbie3 | kelvan: there are presets, the alsa setup of those devices is quite complex, their sound mixing chip has a lot of knobs. |
| 16:35.41 | Guilt | if it doesnt, maybe u should run alsaconf or editing /etc/modules.conf |
| 16:35.47 | Guilt | hmm |
| 16:36.23 | _newbie3 | there's somewhere an directory with scenario presets like "headset" or playing music etc. |
| 16:36.23 | Guilt | i dont have one of these devices yet. but mostly that is what i'd do. |
| 16:36.53 | Guilt | ebbe: how is the screen like? |
| 16:37.01 | Guilt | is it susceptible to scratches? |
| 16:37.26 | ebbe | Guilt: Don't really know. Hasn't made any.. |
| 16:37.44 | ebbe | It's a bit hard to see in sunshine |
| 16:38.00 | Guilt | it isnt backlit? |
| 16:38.39 | ebbe | Yes, but can't keep up with direct sunshine |
| 16:39.11 | Guilt | do other phones do that? |
| 16:39.28 | Dave | DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM |
| 16:39.34 | Guilt | ?? |
| 16:39.43 | ebbe | I think every touchscreen have problems in sunlight |
| 16:43.27 | polz | ebbe: yeah, but I've never seen one as bad as the neo1973 |
| 16:43.51 | polz | my friends motorolla's and iPhones are way easier to read in sunlight... |
| 16:44.08 | Dave | :( |
| 16:44.21 | polz | but the resolution of the Neo is better so the web browser looks great :) |
| 16:45.42 | Blalien | Why are people always comparing the Neo with the Iphone |
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| 16:46.40 | TAsn | Blalien, i guess because they are almost the same hardware wise... |
| 16:46.49 | TAsn | same concept anyway... |
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| 16:46.58 | TAsn | im off. |
| 16:47.54 | bumbl | because the iphone is the total contrary to the openmoko; iphone = ugly, closed, crappy software; Neo = cool designer case, open, at the moment not the best software but that will change |
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| 16:49.37 | Basheri | imo iphone is far from ugly. it sucks and all, but not ugly |
| 16:50.13 | SpeedEvil | Yeah |
| 16:50.30 | SpeedEvil | Calling it ugly is right out of Aesop. |
| 16:51.27 | bumbl | Basheri, SpeedEvil tastes may differ |
| 16:51.42 | bumbl | I don't like the iphones design |
| 16:51.51 | Basheri | sure, that's why i said 'imo' |
| 16:52.41 | ebbe | It's the same for me with technology and women. If they are ugly inside, the outside becomes ugly too :) |
| 16:53.31 | SpeedEvil | ebbe: but reflashing is tricky. |
| 16:53.50 | _newbie3 | i think the iphone was the first touchscreen only phone that really got lots of attention at least in germany.... |
| 16:54.19 | _newbie3 | and being touchscreen only and smartphone might be enougth to link them... |
| 16:55.23 | Basheri | that's because it's apple's product. "It has to be awesome and revolutionizing" |
| 16:55.38 | SpeedEvil | And they spent lots and lots of money on dev. |
| 16:56.02 | Basheri | And they sure know marketing |
| 16:57.27 | SpeedEvil | That too. |
| 16:58.55 | _newbie3 | Yes, grabing attention is one thing apple really knows how to do... |
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| 17:02.12 | smhar | is this the freerunner rebranded? http://koolu.com/WE-Phone/WE-Phone-Introduction.html |
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| 17:06.57 | lindi- | smhar: seems to be, they even link to planet openmoko: http://koolu.com/Openmoko-News/Openmoko-News.html |
| 17:07.29 | smhar | but there is not even a mention of openmoko in the mobile page, not even the logo !! |
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| 17:11.34 | wurp2|away | Weird... they don't really make it at all clear that the phone's sw isn't ready for consumer use |
| 17:11.39 | Dave | Damn antenna seems to be broken. :| |
| 17:11.41 | Dave | Hello wurp. |
| 17:11.56 | mjr | wurp, makes one think if that's some sort of elaborate hoax |
| 17:12.13 | wurp2|away | Nor tell you what sw is on the phone when it's shipped. They imply it's android, by putting android status links under the WE phone bar |
| 17:12.41 | ebbe | Looks really weird indeed |
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| 17:13.01 | mjr | I suppose they could have a deal with google and porting android |
| 17:13.32 | ferric | they're an tuhorized distributor for canada though, Koolu. Steve's plugging them on the list. |
| 17:13.43 | wurp2|away | *And* they list Skype service under the WE phone |
| 17:14.08 | Guilt | i'm kinda pissed at android's not so open dex format |
| 17:14.13 | Guilt | cant they just release the SPEC already |
| 17:14.16 | wurp2|away | They don't really say that you canskype from the phone, but it's sure implied |
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| 17:14.38 | wurp2|away | And their link to OM news is their own site's cherry-picked OM news |
| 17:14.41 | Guilt | pfft. wont be long to compile a xmpp/libjingle app onto openmoko |
| 17:14.42 | ferric | Guilt: android is just shady |
| 17:14.48 | Guilt | i know. |
| 17:14.53 | Guilt | i like open |
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| 17:16.39 | ferric | wurp2|away: a lot of discussion about what to do and what not to do, but i still can't see any answers to your questions... |
| 17:16.47 | wurp2|away | ferric: yeah :-( |
| 17:16.54 | wurp2|away | I did hope to get an answer about phonekit |
| 17:17.23 | wurp2|away | So I don't have to dig through all the dialer & SMS app code to figure out if all I need is to redo the phonekit dbus |
| 17:17.51 | wurp2|away | And also so I don't redo the phonekit dbus, then discover it was the wrong way to fix it :-) |
| 17:18.05 | ferric | yep |
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| 17:18.13 | ferric | scaredycat would be a good person to ask, I think |
| 17:18.19 | wurp2|away | I kind of agree with Kevin |
| 17:18.20 | ferric | but, he doesn't hang out here anymore? |
| 17:18.39 | wurp2|away | ferric: I'm not sure... ScaredyCat runs his own release, but I dunno that he's looked at the code any |
| 17:19.15 | wurp2|away | He could certainly be helpful with getting a repository arrangement that lets us mix our stuff w/ OM's |
| 17:19.19 | ferric | hm, I guess I just assumed he had looked at the code |
| 17:19.33 | ferric | wurp2|away: i doubt that - even his own repo is somewhere else isn't iit? |
| 17:19.46 | wurp2|away | Maybe he has, but I've never heard him talk about anything but running his builds & a few shell scripts he wrote for it |
| 17:20.06 | wurp2|away | I dunno how he does his build. His pkg repository is on another server |
| 17:20.09 | thomasgruebler | hello |
| 17:20.15 | ferric | gotcha |
| 17:20.30 | wurp2|away | And I know he gets updates from the other src repos without pulling specifically |
| 17:20.41 | wurp2|away | And he has his own apps & customizations that go into it |
| 17:20.46 | wurp2|away | that's as far as I know |
| 17:21.02 | ferric | so, I think I agree with Kevin too if what he's saying is that we should keep our goals small in the beginning, and get some things done, once we have 2007.2 scroller thingy working, then we can achieve bigger goals, no? |
| 17:21.03 | wurp2|away | Hmm, he at least knows some stuff about the boot sequence, since he changed that quite a bit |
| 17:21.26 | thomasgruebler | i tried the qemu build today. but the phone didn't work correctly. so when it was bootet in qemu i clicked on a button but nothing happened. the only thing was that the button became orange |
| 17:21.27 | wurp2|away | ferric: Yeah. I just wasn't sure if the ASU app launcher was all done |
| 17:21.39 | wurp2|away | thomasgruebler: Did you build ASU? |
| 17:21.54 | wurp2|away | 'cause I think it's busted |
| 17:22.07 | wurp2|away | ferric: I am perfectly cool with using the GTK launcher |
| 17:22.32 | ferric | wurp2|away: cool |
| 17:22.49 | wurp2|away | In fact, I guess I think we should start with FSO, pull in the 2007.2 gui stuff, then once that's working start bringing in other gui support from ASU |
| 17:22.57 | Ainulindale | Sent a message about the blog thing. |
| 17:23.07 | mjr | wurp, sounds like a good order |
| 17:23.21 | Ainulindale | I think it would be great to have a good talk with all members of the SHR initiative |
| 17:23.24 | wurp2|away | 'cause I know 2007.2 app launcher, hardware management icons, etc. all work |
| 17:23.31 | Ainulindale | As for my part I think I'll need some help to get started |
| 17:24.02 | Ainulindale | I'm not feeling too comfortable right now with this whole framework, I think I wouldn't know where to start :-) |
| 17:24.08 | Gnutoo | wurp2|away, hello, do you know how to activate the standby/suspend-to-ram/power save features? in "openmoko" distribution in open org.embedded.dev |
| 17:24.20 | thomasgruebler | i used the way from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU |
| 17:24.21 | wurp2|away | Ainulindale: I agree about having a talk |
| 17:24.26 | thomasgruebler | easy way |
| 17:24.29 | Gnutoo | wurp2|away, should i have to patch and recompile something? |
| 17:24.33 | wurp2|away | Ainulindale: I don't think any of us know where to start |
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| 17:24.41 | Gnutoo | s/should i have/do i have/ |
| 17:24.43 | wurp2|away | Gnutoo: Which release are you using? |
| 17:24.49 | thomasgruebler | make qemu |
| 17:25.02 | wurp2|away | Gnutoo: I think all that stuff has been pulled into the releases now |
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| 17:25.09 | wurp2|away | I don't think you need mwester's patches any more |
| 17:25.52 | Gnutoo | wurp2|away, i downloaded openembedded and i'm building "openmoko" target |
| 17:25.57 | Ainulindale | By the way I had too much problem with the state of my build of fso-image |
| 17:26.03 | Ainulindale | I restarted from the beginning |
| 17:26.23 | wurp2|away | Gnutoo: DId you look at MokoMakefile on the wiki? |
| 17:26.24 | Ainulindale | And as I tried the build with different MACHINE settings, I had way too much disk usage |
| 17:26.44 | Gnutoo | wurp2|away, yes after starting the build...so i'll finish the build |
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| 17:27.17 | wurp2|away | Gnutoo: Yeah, you will need to choose which of the three targets (and use the correct GIT branch) that are listed in the wiki page |
| 17:27.26 | Gnutoo | wurp2|away, ok |
| 17:27.30 | wurp2|away | Ainulindale: I had to wipe out all my env variables to get a build |
| 17:27.35 | wurp2|away | Ainulindale: But finally it worked |
| 17:27.49 | ferric | wurp2|away: so what's the best way to get everyone up to speed and start hacking. re: the blog, i'd set something up but maybe paulproteus would be a better person ;-) |
| 17:28.10 | wurp2|away | Do we want to divide out the list of things we need to learn and have diff team members work on each thing? |
| 17:28.23 | Ainulindale | wurp2|away: I had problem with unknown autoconf directives, then dbus-glib-native wouldn't build, etc, etc... |
| 17:28.26 | Ainulindale | +s |
| 17:28.50 | Ainulindale | I can build something for the blog too, as you wish |
| 17:29.13 | wurp2|away | I know we need trac, bitbake, git, the window manager (I think matchbox), at lesat |
| 17:29.17 | wurp2|away | s/lesat/least/ |
| 17:29.30 | Ainulindale | window manager ? |
| 17:29.48 | wurp2|away | Well, one reason I like having SHR blog entries come from Kevin is that he already has standing in the community, from his reviews he used to do |
| 17:30.00 | Ainulindale | Sure thing |
| 17:30.14 | Ainulindale | But if we want to be able not to spam too much on his blog... :-) |
| 17:30.16 | wurp2|away | Ainulindale: 2007.2 uses the matchbox window manager, if I understand correctly |
| 17:30.21 | wurp2|away | Ainulindale: True |
| 17:30.26 | Ainulindale | And build our community by itself |
| 17:30.32 | wurp2|away | Ainulindale: I'm not sure I understand your email |
| 17:30.38 | Ainulindale | And not based on one of his members' "popularity" |
| 17:30.46 | wurp2|away | Are you suggesting that we have a SHR blog, and all members can blog to it? |
| 17:30.52 | Ainulindale | Yep |
| 17:30.53 | wurp2|away | Ainulindale: heh, true |
| 17:31.01 | Ainulindale | With different categories and so on |
| 17:31.03 | wastrel | what's SHR? |
| 17:31.06 | wurp2|away | Ainulindale: That works great for me, but I don't know where to set one up |
| 17:31.08 | Ainulindale | Stable Hybrid Release |
| 17:31.10 | wurp2|away | ~SHR |
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| 17:31.21 | Ainulindale | Right now it's an unknown and not existant UFO |
| 17:31.32 | wurp2|away | apt SHR is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 17:31.33 | apt | wurp2|away: okay |
| 17:31.34 | Ainulindale | wurp2|away: I have a gentoo server hidden somewhere on the net :-) |
| 17:31.37 | wurp2|away | ~SHR |
| 17:31.38 | apt | shr is, like, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 17:31.55 | wurp2|away | apt forget SHR |
| 17:31.55 | apt | wurp2|away: i forgot shr |
| 17:32.35 | wurp2|away | apt SHR is Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 17:32.36 | apt | wurp2|away: okay |
| 17:32.50 | mjr | ~gsm |
| 17:32.50 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, gsm is a codec, operating at approx 13kbps up/down. four bands worldwide. 850/900/1900/1800MHz. Freerunner comes in two variants, one supporting 900, one 850. 900 is used in europe, and 850 in US. The other two bands in both. |
| 17:33.24 | SpeedEvil | what is shr? |
| 17:33.33 | SpeedEvil | what is SHR? |
| 17:33.49 | SpeedEvil | lacks apt-fu. |
| 17:33.57 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: ~SHR |
| 17:34.04 | Ainulindale | wurp2|away: I think I can build a git repository and blog if necessary on an independent server |
| 17:34.06 | wurp2|away | apt: what is SHR |
| 17:34.07 | apt | well, shr is Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 17:34.15 | wurp2|away | Cool, didn't know that works |
| 17:34.20 | Ainulindale | wurp2|away: Then as I think we all need to agree, I think we'll talk about that |
| 17:34.38 | wurp2|away | Ainulindale: I think Asheesh/paulproteus already has a git repo set up |
| 17:34.49 | Ainulindale | Perfect then |
| 17:35.00 | Ainulindale | Then if they have that, we should build a blog on their platform too |
| 17:35.09 | Ainulindale | In order to keep things in the same place |
| 17:35.13 | Ainulindale | s/they/he/ |
| 17:35.21 | Ainulindale | Etc. |
| 17:35.24 | Ainulindale | (I'm tired) |
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| 17:36.00 | Ainulindale | Speaking about tired, I think I'll come back later, need to eat :-) |
| 17:36.01 | wurp2|away | Ainulindale: Sounds good |
| 17:36.10 | wurp2|away | He had a good domain name, don't remember what |
| 17:36.18 | wurp2|away | It's in the email |
| 17:36.20 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * rea4217314775 10/src/server/phone/ (8 files in 5 dirs): [call] Provide some user and developer information when no phone call is possible |
| 17:36.24 | wurp2|away | Gotta go too, family time. |
| 17:36.56 | Dave | :o |
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| 17:37.46 | wurp2|away | freeculture.org |
| 17:37.50 | wurp2|away | was his good domain name |
| 17:38.04 | Dave | ooh la la |
| 17:38.39 | wurp2|away | Looks like they're on the same host, w/ different IPs (off by one) |
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| 17:39.08 | wurp2|away | So maybe it's easy to get him to make git.asheesh.org available thru freeculture.org, maybe shr.git.freeculture.org or something |
| 17:39.12 | Gnutoo | can the freerunner pick the wifi at the same distance as a laptop or is it like a pda? |
| 17:39.20 | Gnutoo | s/as/than |
| 17:39.20 | methril|laptop | hi |
| 17:39.35 | Gnutoo | hi |
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| 17:40.19 | Dave | Gnu, it is weak. |
| 17:40.22 | Dave | Like ragu. |
| 17:40.34 | Gnutoo | Dave, ok :( |
| 17:41.00 | Dave | yep |
| 17:41.07 | wurp2|away | Er, duh, if he controls DNS on freeculture.org he can create us a name to his git repo and not move it at all |
| 17:42.32 | wurp2|away | OK, gone now. Have fun everyone |
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| 17:43.57 | ferric | seeya wurp2|away |
| 17:44.07 | methril|laptop | see you |
| 17:44.42 | Dave | hoenoes, it's ferric :P |
| 17:44.53 | Tig|_ | hmm I seem to have problems with my phone registering on the phone network, anyone know if there are any logs for the gsm connect script |
| 17:45.40 | ferric | Dave: that's right, there are no hoes here. |
| 17:45.46 | Tig|_ | it is just sitting there with Connecting on it, I have reflashed it a couple of times to check it was not a firmware bug and reseated the sim |
| 17:45.53 | ferric | Today, my goal is to bring my build box back, somehow. |
| 17:46.12 | Dave | rakes then?:D |
| 17:46.15 | ferric | this is going to be tough, because I know it boots, but I don't have an external display. |
| 17:46.31 | Dave | ferric, aww, poor baby? do you need a terminal, and possibly a hug? :P |
| 17:46.34 | colonthree | DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 |
| 17:46.40 | ferric | Dave: YES! |
| 17:47.31 | Dave | heh |
| 17:47.53 | ferric | but first I need some exercise. biab. |
| 17:48.10 | Dave | fat ferrics. |
| 17:48.11 | CVirus | I go jogging |
| 17:48.18 | Dave | Me go workie now? |
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| 17:48.41 | polz | workie - bad. Goofy offie - good ;) |
| 17:48.53 | Dave | o.O |
| 17:51.04 | wurp2|away | Tig|_: I think you want to fire up a gsm terminal (libgsmdtool -m atcmd) and manually register |
| 17:51.12 | wurp2|away | and watch the error messages |
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| 17:51.15 | Dave | Fire it up! |
| 17:51.25 | wurp2|away | away again :-) |
| 17:51.33 | Tig|_ | wurp2|away, ta :) just found that page on the wiki :) |
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| 18:10.42 | jOERG_rw | duh, silence? howdy! |
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| 18:12.35 | jOERG_rw | shrugs, takes a shower |
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| 18:19.03 | Guilt | do we get phone replacements within the warranty period? |
| 18:19.11 | Guilt | in case of damages/accidents and junk? |
| 18:19.34 | Guilt | although the intentions are to take care of it? |
| 18:21.20 | doc|home | Guilt: no, DOA only |
| 18:21.29 | TAsn | what's doa? |
| 18:21.33 | doc|home | Dead On Arrival |
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| 18:22.20 | TAsn | i c. |
| 18:22.31 | TAsn | what about stopped working after a week? |
| 18:23.59 | doc|home | shrugs |
| 18:24.04 | doc|home | I think that counts |
| 18:25.38 | TAsn | doc|home, let's just hope i won't have to find out. |
| 18:25.40 | Infinyte | Well |
| 18:25.42 | Infinyte | It says 14 days DOA |
| 18:25.58 | Infinyte | So I'm assuming if it stops working after a week you're still good to go. |
| 18:26.10 | Infinyte | But, if it IS going to stop working at all, it'd prolly just be DOA anyways. |
| 18:26.15 | doc|home | TAsn: same :/ |
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| 18:26.26 | Infinyte | Unless you are planning on doing unnatural things with it. >_> |
| 18:26.31 | Infinyte | Like.. Deep sea diving. |
| 18:26.45 | Dave | Treasure hunting!? |
| 18:26.55 | Infinyte | How's Pidgin' work via Wifi BTW? |
| 18:27.00 | Infinyte | To anyone who has it already. |
| 18:27.06 | Dave | SPANISH DOUBLOONS! |
| 18:27.14 | Infinyte | DOUBLOONZ? |
| 18:27.23 | TAsn | Infinyte, i wanna check the accelerometer in extreme conditions varying from skydiving to space walking... |
| 18:27.29 | Infinyte | Ah. |
| 18:27.30 | Infinyte | >_> |
| 18:27.30 | Dave | hahaha |
| 18:27.33 | Dave | weak |
| 18:27.41 | Dave | I already tried it, slamming on the breaks :P |
| 18:27.48 | TAsn | Infinyte, isn't the iface too small? |
| 18:27.55 | Dave | and pushing someone over |
| 18:28.01 | Infinyte | iFace? |
| 18:28.04 | Dave | Pidgin, for the Freerunner? |
| 18:28.04 | TAsn | Dave, moving your hand fast is a lot more effective |
| 18:28.06 | Dave | interface? |
| 18:28.07 | TAsn | interface... |
| 18:28.09 | TAsn | yeah. |
| 18:28.10 | Infinyte | Oh. |
| 18:28.13 | Infinyte | Naw. |
| 18:28.15 | Dave | Tasn, that's cheating :P |
| 18:28.16 | doc|home | doubloons > dollars :) |
| 18:28.18 | Infinyte | Just maximize. |
| 18:28.24 | Dave | > CAD |
| 18:28.25 | Dave | :D |
| 18:28.26 | TAsn | Dave, im used to writing it this way. |
| 18:28.28 | doc|home | indeed! |
| 18:28.36 | Dave | Yes. |
| 18:28.38 | TAsn | interface is too long. |
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| 18:28.47 | Infinyte | Or like, any type of IM program |
| 18:28.48 | bobkare | Is there a test app for the accelerometer btw? or anything at all that uses it? |
| 18:29.00 | Infinyte | Like command line ones. |
| 18:29.05 | doc|home | bobkare: look at planet.openmoko.org someone wrote one there |
| 18:29.07 | Infinyte | libpurple or something. |
| 18:29.08 | Dave | haha, what's also cheating is having this huge-ass external antenna hooked up to my Freerunner :P |
| 18:29.12 | TAsn | bobkare, there's the test script someone made |
| 18:29.32 | Dave | There are IM programs for the freerunner? |
| 18:29.39 | Infinyte | That's what I'm asking. |
| 18:29.41 | Infinyte | >_> |
| 18:29.46 | TAsn | Infinyte, there isn't a reason why a command line one won't work not counting the iface...! :) |
| 18:29.51 | bobkare | i had a go at some test script someone linked to and it crashed when I tried starting it... |
| 18:29.55 | Dave | Not so far as I know. |
| 18:30.03 | TAsn | let's say if ncurses demands for at least 10 rows |
| 18:30.10 | TAsn | or i don't know what. :) |
| 18:30.15 | Dave | hah |
| 18:30.19 | Infinyte | I can read tiny text. :3 |
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| 18:32.29 | Infinyte | >_> Honestly though, why would the iface be to small for IMing? |
| 18:32.37 | Infinyte | It's uhh.. Kinda huge. |
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| 18:33.26 | Dave | but can you type it in? :D |
| 18:33.30 | Dave | muwahahaha |
| 18:33.34 | Dave | you are doooooomed to fail |
| 18:33.39 | Dave | DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED |
| 18:33.47 | Infinyte | With the touch screen QWERTY? |
| 18:33.57 | Infinyte | Kinda like on the DS in the little chatroom thingy. |
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| 18:34.29 | Guilt | doc|home: but what about warranty? don't u insure against FIC or something? |
| 18:35.08 | Guilt | just to be clear: it's a bit pricey when i get it here. it's hard for me to afford another mobile at all if something happens |
| 18:35.41 | ebbe | Guilt: The place you buy it from. Be it an distributor of FIC. Except from FIC it is only 28 days or so |
| 18:35.53 | ebbe | s/of/or/ |
| 18:36.18 | Guilt | hmm? |
| 18:36.23 | Guilt | ebbe: i'm getting it from IDA. |
| 18:36.30 | ebbe | IDA? |
| 18:36.34 | Guilt | IDA systems |
| 18:36.44 | Guilt | btw. who is handling the customs from Openmoko's side? |
| 18:37.07 | Guilt | if there is a problem with it, you guys should try to fix it up.. |
| 18:37.15 | Guilt | ebbe: IDA Systems, India |
| 18:37.28 | Guilt | the distributor? |
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| 18:38.37 | ebbe | Guilt: Well, then read about IDA's warranty |
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| 18:39.27 | Infinyte | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/IM |
| 18:39.28 | Infinyte | Hmm |
| 18:40.52 | Guilt | the site just says: · 12 month warranty terms apply |
| 18:41.07 | ebbe | Guilt: There you have it then |
| 18:41.31 | Guilt | well. so now i'd have i386, amd64, mips and armv4t computers :-) |
| 18:41.41 | Guilt | all running linux. isn't that great? |
| 18:42.00 | Guilt | was wondering. why do they still use 2.4.x kernels on openmoko? |
| 18:43.10 | ebbe | They are using 2.6.x |
| 18:43.18 | ebbe | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ |
| 18:43.35 | Guilt | my bad :-) |
| 18:43.51 | Guilt | alright. this wait is killing me |
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| 18:44.53 | ernst | hi my agps does not run on my Freerunner |
| 18:45.16 | Guilt | :o |
| 18:45.23 | Infinyte | :O? |
| 18:45.29 | ernst | You are not supriced ? |
| 18:45.36 | ernst | sorry for my english |
| 18:45.51 | Infinyte | Is no problem. |
| 18:46.01 | Infinyte | But doesn't OpenMoko use Gypsy? Or something. >_> |
| 18:46.37 | ernst | no i use only OM dev. Image |
| 18:46.52 | ernst | and cat /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 18:47.07 | Subfusc | gpsd |
| 18:47.14 | Subfusc | Open moko use gpsd |
| 18:47.18 | Subfusc | grr, freerunner |
| 18:47.19 | Subfusc | :P |
| 18:47.28 | Guilt | why |
| 18:47.29 | ernst | yes this is my problem |
| 18:47.38 | Guilt | heck. is this how it's going to be? |
| 18:47.51 | ernst | i have a freerunner |
| 18:48.00 | *** part/#openmoko shze (n=shze@adsl-154-168-167.bna.bellsouth.net) |
| 18:48.01 | ebbe | In the future it's gonna be gypsy |
| 18:49.20 | ernst | i can not find some software for gypsy |
| 18:49.23 | Subfusc | if you wanna cat ttySAC1, you must first run this command: echo 1 >/sys/bus/platform/drivers/neo1973-pm-gps/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron |
| 18:49.24 | Tig|_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.56 | Tig|_ | also when you have installed gpsd you will need to change the config file to point to the right dev |
| 18:50.02 | Subfusc | yes |
| 18:50.03 | Subfusc | that to |
| 18:50.12 | ernst | where can i download it and compile ? |
| 18:50.19 | ernst | does i need python ? |
| 18:50.24 | Subfusc | is your freerunner online? |
| 18:50.26 | Subfusc | No |
| 18:50.29 | ernst | no |
| 18:50.44 | Tig|_ | ernst, you can get all the packages from the openmoko build host |
| 18:50.44 | Subfusc | you should try to connect it to a nettwork |
| 18:50.51 | Subfusc | then you can just opkg install gpsd |
| 18:50.53 | ernst | i was in Holyday and must use Windwos |
| 18:51.04 | Tig|_ | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ |
| 18:51.13 | ernst | oh where are the gpsd opkg packages |
| 18:51.20 | ernst | i can't find it |
| 18:51.34 | Subfusc | opkg is the freerunner package manager |
| 18:51.56 | ernst | Realy ? |
| 18:52.03 | Tig|_ | ernst, : http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/gpsd_2.34-r9_armv4t.ipk |
| 18:52.19 | ernst | i installed gpsd an it say Magic problem or so |
| 18:52.36 | ernst | from the opkg |
| 18:52.55 | Subfusc | ? |
| 18:53.04 | Tig|_ | but you will need to install : http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/gpsd-conf_2.34-r9_om-gta02.ipk too |
| 18:53.09 | Subfusc | if your freerunner is not online, it cant use opkg |
| 18:53.52 | ernst | sorry i have windows now to chat i must copy the package to a stick |
| 18:54.21 | Tig|_ | ernst, if you have installed gpsd you will also need the instructions here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gpsd#GPS_on_GTA02 |
| 18:54.57 | Tig|_ | oh you also need : http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libgps16_2.34-r9_armv4t.ipk |
| 18:55.09 | *** part/#openmoko Infinyte (n=Infinyte@66-146-251-206.gtmc.net) |
| 18:55.18 | Subfusc | package managers are so much easier |
| 18:55.18 | Subfusc | :p |
| 18:55.31 | Tig|_ | Subfusc, only if online :) |
| 18:55.41 | *** join/#openmoko andersfeder (n=feder@x1-6-00-0e-2e-63-4c-cb.k415.webspeed.dk) |
| 18:55.42 | Subfusc | offcourse |
| 18:56.07 | Guilt | okay. i'm not coming here until i get my freerunner |
| 18:56.13 | ernst | is the libgps for freerunner too ? |
| 18:56.16 | Guilt | dammit :-) |
| 18:56.33 | Tig|_ | ernst, yes :) you need the three packages I linked to |
| 18:56.58 | ernst | oh ok |
| 18:57.05 | ernst | thanks very much |
| 18:57.08 | Tig|_ | copy them to your freerunner (I think you install libgps first iirc) then gpsd-conf then gpsd |
| 18:57.14 | ernst | i tell in 10 minutes if it works |
| 18:57.22 | *** join/#openmoko yangvnc (i=yang@static-ip-62-75-255-125.inaddr.intergenia.de) |
| 18:57.34 | bumbl | flexd_: have you solved the wlan problems and how? |
| 18:57.41 | Tig|_ | then make the change from the wiki to the defaults file for gpsd |
| 18:58.00 | yangvnc | I am wondering about the openmoko applications, on the right side of the screen I have the tiny line, i wondxer how can i scroll down to see the other applications? |
| 18:58.21 | Tig|_ | then /etc/init.d/gpsd start and then tangogps et al will start working :) (after you turn on gps from the power menu) :) |
| 18:58.43 | Tig|_ | yangvnc, you just click on the screen anywhere and drag |
| 18:59.20 | bumbl | what's the kernel wlan module called |
| 19:00.13 | yangvnc | Tig|_: doesnt seem to work |
| 19:00.36 | yangvnc | i dont have up and down buttonÃ
¾ |
| 19:01.04 | andersfeder | you probably get this all the time, but i have to know about the default software on the freerunner .. is it stable and featureful enough for normal phone use (making and taking calls/messages)? |
| 19:01.12 | Tig|_ | yangvnc, you don't need an up and down button just press on screen and move your finger up |
| 19:01.16 | ernst | my problem is the output of opkg install gpsd_2.3..... |
| 19:01.55 | Tig|_ | ernst, what is it saying, if it is lots of errors put it on pastebin or similar |
| 19:02.04 | ernst | *errot Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gpsd: gpsd-gpsctl |
| 19:02.28 | Tig|_ | right in that case you need to install gpsd-gpsctl |
| 19:02.55 | Tig|_ | which is here : http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/gpsd-gpsctl_2.34-r9_armv4t.ipk |
| 19:03.06 | Tig|_ | sorry could not remember if you needed it |
| 19:04.45 | Tig|_ | andersfeder, technically it works but it is a pain in the ass if you are a normal user atm and would not currently be suitable for your only phone if you depend on it all the time, this will change over time |
| 19:05.16 | ernst | ok i installed gpsd |
| 19:05.23 | ernst | can i test it ? |
| 19:05.27 | andersfeder | Tig|: ok thanks |
| 19:05.37 | Tig|_ | ernst, have you changed the config file ? |
| 19:06.00 | ernst | yes |
| 19:06.07 | ernst | ttySAC1 yes ? |
| 19:06.11 | Tig|_ | and started gpsd? |
| 19:06.13 | ernst | from 3 to 1 ? |
| 19:06.40 | ernst | can't run with neighter control socket nor devices |
| 19:06.50 | Subfusc | ttyS3 to ttySAC1 |
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| 19:07.12 | Subfusc | and echo 1 >/sys/bus/platform/drivers/neo1973-pm-gps/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron |
| 19:08.27 | Tig|_ | or just press the power button and tap the "turn on gps" button :) |
| 19:08.59 | ernst | ok i must upload the om image |
| 19:09.17 | Subfusc | yes, but that equals /etc/init.d/gpsd start |
| 19:09.25 | Subfusc | not echo 1 >/sys/bus/platform/drivers/neo1973-pm-gps/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron |
| 19:09.29 | ernst | in a german channel they say that asu is better but .. ok i need 10 Minutes |
| 19:10.14 | Tig|_ | Subfusc, I didn't need that step when I did this the other day on my freerunner |
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| 19:10.53 | ernst | i have installed 1 hour bevore qtopia |
| 19:12.33 | ernst | You help me so much thanks |
| 19:12.42 | doc|home | lllllll lt |
| 19:12.52 | Dave | Yes, what you said, doc. |
| 19:12.52 | Tig|_ | no problem has it sprung into life yet? |
| 19:14.01 | ernst | no not now |
| 19:14.22 | ernst | i upload the root fs from OM |
| 19:14.39 | ernst | Then i install the ipk and test it again |
| 19:14.46 | ernst | it need 10 Minutes |
| 19:14.48 | Tig|_ | ok have fun :) |
| 19:17.11 | Subfusc | Tig|_, that command is to get output if you want to do "cat /dev/ttySAC1" ;) |
| 19:17.48 | Tig|_ | ah! thanks :) |
| 19:18.04 | flexd_ | bumbl: no |
| 19:18.24 | SirBob1701 | do the versions of open moko have repos that you can look at when you SSH into the phone? |
| 19:18.31 | flexd_ | I did a opkg update && upgrade, but now i am getting another error in addition to the one from earlier |
| 19:18.33 | *** join/#openmoko doc|home (n=doc@gentoo/contributor/doc-007) |
| 19:18.43 | Dave | rut roh :p |
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| 19:18.48 | bumbl | no luck for me either |
| 19:18.52 | Dave | What's up, Doc? |
| 19:19.52 | polz | which of the images at http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080701/ are supposed to support suspend & resume ? |
| 19:20.32 | polz | oops, sorry, I meant http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/ |
| 19:20.56 | goodwill | yawns |
| 19:21.02 | goodwill | whats going on |
| 19:21.09 | goodwill | polz: as far as I know, none |
| 19:22.33 | polz | huh ? Where do I get an image which supports suspend to ram ? Is the one from mwester's repository the only one ? |
| 19:22.50 | goodwill | was not aware of mwester's repo |
| 19:22.53 | goodwill | where is that |
| 19:23.06 | polz | http://moko.mwester.net/ |
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| 19:23.31 | polz | I'm asking because bluetooth doesn't seem to working with that one |
| 19:23.48 | goodwill | Dave: am I right about the suspend resume bit? |
| 19:24.31 | Dave | Which part? |
| 19:24.36 | Dave | About the lack of support for it? |
| 19:24.54 | goodwill | Dave: yeah |
| 19:24.58 | Dave | Right :p |
| 19:25.04 | Dave | Similarly like rotate :p |
| 19:25.22 | goodwill | polz: its currently work in progress, and is being worked on |
| 19:25.37 | polz | too bad. |
| 19:25.44 | goodwill | Dave: rotate... we talking xrandr or fb? |
| 19:25.52 | bumbl | FSO should work well with suspend and resume |
| 19:26.26 | polz | now... if hciconfig doesn't report any devices, what should I try in order to find out why bluetooth isn't working ? |
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| 19:26.56 | Dave | yeah, fb :P |
| 19:28.19 | Dave | that would be really nice, especially with an enlarged horizontal keyboard :) |
| 19:28.28 | polz | Dave: on a neo1973 ? Can that be done ? |
| 19:28.29 | Dave | Anyhoo, yeah, everthing is currently a work in progress :) |
| 19:28.49 | polz | I mean... does the LCD driver support it ? |
| 19:29.17 | polz | oh, and how do I set the gamma when the LCD is in qvga mode ? |
| 19:29.33 | Dave | oh man, new tango :D |
| 19:29.49 | igor321 | polz: does qvga look too pixely? |
| 19:29.52 | Tig|_ | Dave, can you get to the tangogps site atm? |
| 19:29.58 | Dave | yep |
| 19:30.01 | Dave | I'm there now :D |
| 19:30.13 | polz | igor321: what do you mean by "pixely" ? |
| 19:30.31 | Tig|_ | Dave, I have not been able to get to it for days |
| 19:30.33 | ernst | :Tig|_ Starting gpsd: success |
| 19:30.34 | polz | igor321: it looks a bit bright with light-blue streaks over what should be black |
| 19:30.48 | Tig|_ | ernst, yay! |
| 19:31.00 | igor321 | polz: i see |
| 19:31.08 | polz | igor321: why ? |
| 19:31.15 | ernst | but what can i do to find my Fix Point ? |
| 19:31.19 | Dave | hotness |
| 19:31.42 | igor321 | polz: havent got the device so i was curious as to how the qvga looks on it |
| 19:31.43 | ernst | cat /dev/ttySAC1 ? |
| 19:31.58 | Dave | man, I'd really like to fix the date drifting on my devices |
| 19:32.13 | Tig|_ | ernst, you could do or you could install tangogps and have a handy application using it :) |
| 19:32.32 | ernst | tangogps for freerunner ? |
| 19:32.35 | ernst | ipk ? |
| 19:32.39 | Dave | there are many different ways |
| 19:32.42 | Dave | ernst, yep |
| 19:32.45 | Tig|_ | ernst, yep |
| 19:32.47 | Dave | http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.2-r1_armv4t.ipk |
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| 19:32.48 | Dave | :D |
| 19:32.55 | Dave | Hail, Lorez. |
| 19:33.00 | ernst | only this file ? |
| 19:33.08 | ernst | i must copy with usb stick |
| 19:33.10 | ernst | its hard |
| 19:33.13 | igor321 | have you guys tried navit? |
| 19:33.14 | Dave | What? |
| 19:33.19 | Dave | How is it hard? |
| 19:33.33 | Tig|_ | ernst, yes you only need that file |
| 19:33.46 | ernst | from windows computer to my Debian Laptop without Internet |
| 19:33.53 | Dave | haha holy hotness |
| 19:33.55 | ernst | Tahngs i try it |
| 19:33.59 | Dave | man this new version is sweet |
| 19:34.05 | Dave | ernst, ick. |
| 19:34.23 | Dave | I'm so glad I can just use the internet on my freerunner :p |
| 19:34.29 | Tig|_ | Dave: is there an ipkg mirror for that anywhere, ie not on the tangogps site ? |
| 19:35.28 | Tig|_ | Dave, or what IP address do you get for tangogps.org |
| 19:35.53 | Dave | yes |
| 19:36.09 | Dave | 85.255.122.4 |
| 19:37.45 | Dave | If you're having difficulty getting it I could temporarily host it or whatnot. |
| 19:37.51 | Dave | Though it appears to be in at least one mirror. |
| 19:37.55 | Tig|_ | erm are you sure, I am getting a 404 for that |
| 19:38.10 | Dave | Then again, my primary freerunner has like 16 package repo feeds :D |
| 19:38.14 | Dave | I am sure. |
| 19:38.23 | Dave | I just downloaded it and am using it now on my freerunners :D |
| 19:38.27 | Dave | it's nicer |
| 19:38.34 | Dave | Mostly things are just clarified. |
| 19:38.39 | goodwill | Dave: how many do you have? |
| 19:39.14 | Tig|_ | Dave, if you have a mirror address I would be grateful :) |
| 19:39.48 | Tig|_ | I wonder what is going on with that site :( |
| 19:40.18 | Dave | Goodwell, which, repo feeds, or devices? |
| 19:40.38 | Dave | Tigl, they have been experiencing server strangeties the past couple days |
| 19:40.48 | Dave | as I inquired previously, the forums mysteriously disappeared. |
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| 19:40.51 | Dave | I was bewildered. |
| 19:40.58 | Tig|_ | ah :( |
| 19:41.27 | Dave | Can anyone get the package from their website, other than myself? |
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| 19:45.03 | Dave | :x |
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| 19:45.28 | SirBob1701 | what default applications does the freerunenr include? |
| 19:46.24 | Subfusc | ehm |
| 19:46.25 | Gnutoo | hello,is it possible to have 2 images that you can choose from a bootloader such as uboot: one from the flash(basic image) and one from a 4GB micro-sd card that is encrypted with luks and dm-crypt(kernel booting from the flash image)...i bet there is no script for luks and i will have to take them from gentoo or from the luks wiki....but do i need to reflash the booloader in order to change the boot parameters? |
| 19:46.28 | Dave | a lot of crappy games :D |
| 19:46.33 | Dave | teehee |
| 19:46.38 | Subfusc | what rootfs do you plan to use SirBob1701 |
| 19:46.39 | Dave | has anyone else tried out those gpe- apps? |
| 19:46.52 | Dave | I should really be releasing my own hot rootfs :p |
| 19:47.03 | SirBob1701 | Subfusc: not sure looking at them all right now any suggestions? |
| 19:48.30 | SirBob1701 | i'm looking at the ASU but the 2007.2 looks like it's packing more right now. Even though i might dev something for ASU |
| 19:48.33 | SirBob1701 | ... |
| 19:48.34 | Subfusc | SirBob1701, well, it is kind of hard telling you what default applications you'll get, if you dont know wich rootfs your gonna use. Personaly i use OM, and havent tried the others yet. So i can only talk for OM |
| 19:48.36 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 19:48.59 | SirBob1701 | Ah i am using OM just decideing between ASU and 2007.2 |
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| 19:51.32 | ernst | :Tig|_ Thanks i have a better output from cat /dev/ttySAC1 but how much time does the freerunner need to have Satelites ? |
| 19:52.16 | Tig|_ | ernst, about a minute or so, you will need to be outside and also you will get a fix faster if you have it upright, so don't lie it on it's back on a table for example |
| 19:52.17 | Subfusc | I use the daily builds |
| 19:52.48 | Subfusc | Tig|_, about a minute or so? o.O Mine use fucking 30 minutes |
| 19:53.18 | Tig|_ | Subfusc, mine came back with a fix after about a minute out in the back garden |
| 19:53.25 | SirBob1701 | Subfusc: does opkg have repos or do you have to always provide it with a url of a package? |
| 19:53.33 | Tig|_ | it has repos |
| 19:53.53 | Subfusc | Tig|_, where do you live? |
| 19:54.04 | Tig|_ | middle of the UK :) |
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| 19:54.17 | serp | hello |
| 19:54.26 | Tig|_ | hello |
| 19:54.31 | serp | where can I find information about power saving on the openmoko? |
| 19:54.53 | Subfusc | Tig|_, oh, then you got tones of sattelites above you. I live in Norway, so it is harder to get a signal here. |
| 19:55.22 | Subfusc | serp: Powersaving on FreeRunner is bad, realy bad right now. So it doesnt matter how much info you find. |
| 19:55.33 | serp | but I want to help improve it =) |
| 19:55.34 | bobkare | Subfusc: shouldn't be all that much of a difference |
| 19:55.48 | polz | Subfusc: ??? Why would it be harder to get a GPS signal in Norway ? |
| 19:56.01 | bumbl | Tig|: how big is the chance that you get a fix inside? |
| 19:56.13 | bobkare | bumbl: miniscule |
| 19:56.24 | Subfusc | serp, nice! didnt find anything on the wiki pages? |
| 19:56.33 | Tig|_ | Subfusc, ah :) most important thing is not to lie it down on a table if you want it to get a fix as the antenna would be pointing the wrong way |
| 19:56.36 | serp | not really.. only that it's very bad atm |
| 19:56.46 | Subfusc | polz, caus you have fewer sattelites, with bigger load. |
| 19:57.02 | bumbl | bobkare: i thought it would be, I will try it out tomorrow |
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| 19:57.05 | Tig|_ | bumbl, very low I would think, I will compare it against a tomtom in a minue |
| 19:57.13 | polz | serp: I think you should go through the mailing list archives, looking for mails by Mike Wester (mwester) |
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| 19:57.18 | Tig|_ | I doubt either will get a lock |
| 19:57.29 | bobkare | Subfusc: "bigger load"? what kind of load are you thinking about? |
| 19:57.46 | polz | Subfusc: huh ? What sort of load ? I think you might be confusing GPS with geostationary satellites |
| 19:57.48 | Subfusc | haha, nvm |
| 19:58.01 | Subfusc | yes i am |
| 19:58.09 | ernst | Tigl|_ do you work on a Openmoko Projekt ? |
| 19:58.10 | polz | sillypuppy |
| 19:58.20 | Tig|_ | ernst, nope, I am just a user :) |
| 19:58.35 | ernst | ok but i think a goog user |
| 19:58.43 | ernst | I'm a Simple User |
| 19:58.52 | Subfusc | gday btw, bobkare |
| 19:59.07 | ernst | but with the Happy Hacking experience |
| 19:59.13 | ernst | from Richard Stallman |
| 19:59.39 | Tig|_ | ernst, you will pick it up soon, just hanging around on here you end up finding all sorts of information :) |
| 19:59.52 | Tig|_ | the rest of the time search the wiki :) |
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| 20:01.46 | kelvan | somebody knows where does the freerunner switch between headset and speaker? it can't be in the image or the kernel, i flashed it a few time with different images and no sound at speaker anymore :( |
| 20:02.18 | Subfusc | it might be hardware lvl switching |
| 20:02.34 | kelvan | i thing soo too |
| 20:02.41 | kelvan | but how can i change ist |
| 20:03.22 | Subfusc | have you tried opening the alsamixer and looked? |
| 20:04.05 | kelvan | i played around with the alsamixer long time but it doesn't work :( |
| 20:04.26 | kelvan | all is unmute and max volume and no sound at speaker |
| 20:05.45 | Drakeson | is openmoko-sample2 supposed to build correctly? |
| 20:05.49 | bumbl | kelvan: I might be wrong but maybe on the sd card? |
| 20:06.34 | Drakeson | I just followed the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain but the `make' fails with an error: |
| 20:06.35 | kelvan | i flash the daily build from the gtk based and try to start without the sd-card |
| 20:06.52 | serp | polz: what threads am I looking for? I can find some about GSM flow control, but nothing related to power management |
| 20:07.04 | Gnutoo | is the openmoko processor fast enough to perform rootfs encryption? |
| 20:07.17 | polz | serp: that's the main reason for power management problems. |
| 20:07.24 | Drakeson | sorry, the autogen fails, and ask to mention host with --host |
| 20:07.56 | Drakeson | is this expected/known? |
| 20:07.58 | lindi- | Gnutoo: probably? |
| 20:08.06 | Subfusc | yeah, powermanager is almost a start from scratch problem |
| 20:08.07 | Gnutoo | lindi-, wow thanks a lot |
| 20:08.10 | polz | serp: without proper GSM flow control, suspend to RAM can't be used, severely limiting the endurance |
| 20:08.56 | Drakeson | this is the error I get --> checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. |
| 20:09.06 | lindi- | Drakeson: are you familiar with C? |
| 20:09.34 | Drakeson | lindi-: yes. |
| 20:09.39 | bumbl | Gnutoo: try it, it hasn't been done until now, I think it will be slow though |
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| 20:09.47 | Drakeson | this is the my $CC --> ccache arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -march=armv4t -mtune=arm920t |
| 20:09.59 | lindi- | Drakeson: you are cross compiling? |
| 20:10.05 | Gnutoo | bumbl, ok i'll try it as soon as i get my phone |
| 20:10.58 | Drakeson | lindi-: yes, my desktop arch is not armv4t |
| 20:11.09 | lindi- | Drakeson: ok, then it's only natural that you can't run arm binaries |
| 20:11.41 | kelvan | no sound with new iage and without sd card, i hate this :( |
| 20:12.11 | serp | polz: ah I see |
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| 20:13.21 | ernst | :Tig|_ i have an other question |
| 20:13.21 | Drakeson | lindi-: to quote from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain : "You should ..., have an x86-compatible computer with at least 1G of free disk space, ..." |
| 20:13.28 | Tig|_ | ernst, go for it |
| 20:13.35 | Stale | How is it going with FreeRunner and playback of video? |
| 20:13.49 | ernst | i have a bluetooth keyboard and i use it for debian |
| 20:13.56 | ernst | it's a smal thing |
| 20:14.12 | Tig|_ | ernst, right getting it connected is easy :) |
| 20:14.13 | ernst | i use it with "hidd --search" |
| 20:14.23 | ernst | but not response |
| 20:14.36 | Tig|_ | using it with the openmoko at the moment is a pain in the arse as it does wierd things |
| 20:14.45 | ernst | Freerunner sai Connected to device but no way to tap |
| 20:14.46 | Drakeson | lindi-: so I conclude, naturally, that the instructions on the page I mentioned were assuming we are building for an x86 compatible version of openmoko. |
| 20:14.58 | bumbl | Stale: it is possible but the videos have to be encoded for the freerunner and have a rather small resolution (normal resolution if you compare it to normal phone videos) |
| 20:15.00 | Tig|_ | ernst, did you power up bluetooth first? |
| 20:15.05 | ernst | yes |
| 20:15.11 | ernst | he find the keyboard |
| 20:15.30 | ernst | with hidd --search he connect but |
| 20:15.36 | Stale | will it ever be possible with software updates, or does it have to wait for gta03 ? |
| 20:15.47 | ernst | Oh schitt |
| 20:16.02 | Tig|_ | ernst, ?? |
| 20:16.21 | ernst | i must tap to the touch screen and the keyboard must go up to tap |
| 20:16.27 | ernst | t runs sorry |
| 20:16.36 | ernst | it runs |
| 20:16.54 | ernst | but i must see the keyboard on the screen |
| 20:17.00 | Tig|_ | ah yes |
| 20:17.08 | Tig|_ | sorry forgot to mention that :) |
| 20:17.26 | Tig|_ | also you will get some wierd key issues too |
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| 20:18.59 | ernst | Holy Shit i love the Freerunner |
| 20:19.33 | ozzloy | ernst: why don't you marry it? |
| 20:19.49 | ozzloy | what bluetooth keyboard do you guys use? |
| 20:20.52 | ernst | Stowaway |
| 20:21.00 | Tig|_ | ozzloy, I have a iGo folding thing |
| 20:21.06 | ernst | thing outside |
| 20:21.18 | Tig|_ | woot! I have my blasted wireless working again :) |
| 20:21.26 | Subfusc | hehehe |
| 20:21.29 | ernst | 120 Euro i buy it for my Palm but the Support was very Bad |
| 20:21.35 | Subfusc | got a new build right now? |
| 20:21.41 | Drakeson | where can we find instructions for obtaining the openmoko toolchain, and building a sample project? |
| 20:21.58 | ernst | My Douther kill the Palm and i buy my Freerunner |
| 20:22.01 | ernst | its better |
| 20:22.11 | ernst | and the Support is very good |
| 20:22.29 | Drakeson | do we also get a toolchain when we but freerunners? |
| 20:22.48 | Drakeson | *buy |
| 20:23.48 | Stale | will it ever be possible to playback video with software updates, or does it have to wait for gta03 ? |
| 20:24.40 | ebbe | Stale: The answer came not long ago.. |
| 20:25.28 | mjr | stale, http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ |
| 20:25.50 | Tig|_ | Drakeson, it is opensource so yes you get the toolchain, all the instructions are on the wiki |
| 20:26.05 | polz | Stale: you should be able to play back transcoded 320x240 video without problems, but forget VGA and greater resolutions |
| 20:28.14 | LionKMP | what s the easiest way to do the necessary "transcoding"? |
| 20:28.15 | Drakeson | Tig|_: I don't know what om-conf does, and the wiki doesn't mention anything regarding ./autogen.sh --host=HOST. Are those instructions correct? |
| 20:28.36 | Drakeson | (refering to instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain) |
| 20:28.41 | Tig|_ | Drakeson, erm no idea, I have not set one up yet :) |
| 20:29.24 | Drakeson | Tig|_: thanks. |
| 20:30.05 | bumbl | when trying to use wlan with my wpa2 router I get 4 times ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported and am unable to connect to wlan |
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| 20:31.51 | Tig|_ | bumbl, you do get some error messages |
| 20:32.01 | bumbl | yes |
| 20:32.11 | bumbl | ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported |
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| 20:32.44 | bumbl | I tried it through wpa_supplicant.conf and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:32.52 | Tig|_ | bumbl, I get this for example : http://pastebin.com/m6bb55aa6 |
| 20:33.18 | Tig|_ | bumbl, This is how I did it : http://da.mned.co.uk |
| 20:33.39 | bumbl | does it work? |
| 20:33.51 | Tig|_ | yep :) |
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| 20:34.33 | bumbl | ok your guide is kind of a combined way of things that I did; trying now |
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| 20:36.30 | bumbl | Tig|_: with wireless_essid do you mean the routers essid or the neos |
| 20:36.44 | Tig|_ | routers |
| 20:36.55 | Tig|_ | will update that :) |
| 20:38.14 | ozzloy | ernst: what's the battery life like on it? |
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| 20:39.06 | SirBob1701 | how long is the standard delievery suppose to take for us customers? |
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| 20:40.31 | fish__ | i'v tried to build fso. but i get this after runing bitbake fso-image: ERROR: Error in executing python function in: |
| 20:40.34 | fish__ | ERROR: Exception:<class 'CmdError'> Message:Command Error: exit status: 1 Output: |
| 20:40.38 | fish__ | No patches in series |
| 20:40.55 | Drakeson | shouldn't ". /usr/local/openmoko/arm/setup-env" be changed to ". /usr/local/openmoko/arm/environment-env" in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain ? |
| 20:41.05 | JoshTriplett | I'd like to buy the Neo Freerunner, but I've had no luck with the direct store. Also, the US distributor "First International Computer America" seems down; has anyone else had any luck reaching their website? |
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| 20:41.35 | JoshTriplett | The other distributor, Koolu, seems a bit questionable; they seem to rebrand the phone. |
| 20:43.30 | Drakeson | someone recommended buying from "openmoko store", rather than "a distributer near you". |
| 20:43.55 | JoshTriplett | Drakeson: I'd prefer that as well, but the openmoko store seems to have issues with credit card processing. |
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| 20:44.39 | nullpuppy | JoshTriplett: what issues are you having with the om.com store? |
| 20:44.57 | Drakeson | some people had that problem, apparently. The fraud protection of some credit card companies seems to find it strange that someone buys from a Taiwanese store. |
| 20:45.00 | ozzloy | JoshTriplett: it might be your cc company worried about a purchase through a company in taiwan |
| 20:45.05 | JoshTriplett | nullpuppy: "Error from the HiTrust gateway". |
| 20:45.16 | JoshTriplett | Yes, I've seen the messages on the community list about that. |
| 20:45.23 | nullpuppy | yeah, i got that too, as have several others |
| 20:45.27 | ozzloy | JoshTriplett: yeah, that's what i got. my company called me 10 minutes later |
| 20:45.28 | Drakeson | apparently they (the credit card company) call you and you confirm it ... |
| 20:45.36 | ozzloy | lulz |
| 20:45.37 | nullpuppy | most have been able to contact their cc company and then able to get it to go through |
| 20:45.46 | nullpuppy | i ended up having to resort to a different cc though. |
| 20:45.54 | JoshTriplett | No such luck here. My credit card company says they have no record of even attempting the transaction. |
| 20:46.02 | ozzloy | T_T |
| 20:46.09 | nullpuppy | huh |
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| 20:46.26 | JoshTriplett | In short, "contact the merchant, we can't help you". Much like the response I got from Openmoko: "contact the credit card company, we can't help you". :( |
| 20:46.27 | ozzloy | JoshTriplett: i used a wells fargo visa check card |
| 20:46.46 | JoshTriplett | ozzloy: Wells Fargo Visa gift card here. |
| 20:46.55 | ozzloy | strange |
| 20:47.03 | Tig|_ | bumbl, how did you get on? is it working? |
| 20:47.29 | nullpuppy | could be that its a gift card? i dunno |
| 20:47.43 | JoshTriplett | nullpuppy: Shouldn't matter, in theory. |
| 20:47.46 | nullpuppy | JoshTriplett: checked for group buys in your area? or have another card you could use? |
| 20:47.51 | nullpuppy | JoshTriplett: yeah, i know. |
| 20:47.55 | JoshTriplett | nullpuppy: None and no. |
| 20:48.02 | nullpuppy | k |
| 20:48.10 | JoshTriplett | nullpuppy: (Well, none that Openmoko accepts; they don't take amex.) |
| 20:48.23 | nullpuppy | ah :/ that sucks |
| 20:49.02 | JoshTriplett | nullpuppy: No kidding. At least they haven't sold out quite yet. |
| 20:49.10 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 20:49.33 | ernst | ich habe mein Bt KEyboard mit dem Freerunner am laufen |
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| 20:49.50 | ernst | aber leider geht das nur wenn die screen tastatur hoch geklappt ist |
| 20:50.55 | bumbl | Tig|_: it is sending discovers at the moment |
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| 20:51.35 | nullpuppy | you people are making me impatient. i want my fr already :/ |
| 20:51.47 | nullpuppy | is starting to regret not paying more for shipping and getting it sooner |
| 20:51.57 | ernst | ups i'm sorry |
| 20:52.09 | harzi | for what do i need the "DBoard" for the freerunner? |
| 20:52.15 | nullpuppy | hehe, no worries ;) |
| 20:52.27 | bumbl | Tig|_: http://pastebin.com/m51894293 |
| 20:52.31 | Tig|_ | bumbl, if you don't get discovery the first time I generally find it will not connect. how are you linking to wpa_supplicant? |
| 20:52.37 | nullpuppy | harzi: in case of bricking basically, or if you're doing really low level stuff |
| 20:52.48 | nullpuppy | for most stuff, you should be able to just flash via usb |
| 20:52.50 | harzi | nullpuppy: ok, thanks |
| 20:53.03 | abraxa_ | nullpuppy: Even bricking doesn't require the debug board because of the built-in NOR |
| 20:53.16 | nullpuppy | abraxa_: ah, right, true. |
| 20:53.30 | bumbl | Tig|_: the second time i did an ifup eth0 I got a connected |
| 20:53.32 | nullpuppy | what if you blow up u-boot though? ;) |
| 20:53.46 | abraxa_ | nullpuppy: You boot from NOR and replace it :) |
| 20:53.47 | Tig|_ | bumbl, it is up? |
| 20:53.58 | nullpuppy | huh, well then, alright ;) |
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| 20:54.05 | bumbl | ping doesn't seem to work though |
| 20:54.08 | nullpuppy | thought u-boot was required for that stuff, guess not. |
| 20:54.12 | Tig|_ | first ping takes AGES |
| 20:54.15 | Tig|_ | seriously :) |
| 20:54.24 | bumbl | ping: bad address 'www.google.com' |
| 20:54.28 | Tig|_ | then it springs into life :) |
| 20:54.32 | Drakeson | where do you get libmokoui? |
| 20:54.33 | Tig|_ | erk |
| 20:54.38 | Tig|_ | has it given you an ip? |
| 20:55.04 | bumbl | yes |
| 20:55.11 | abraxa_ | nullpuppy: It is, but the FR contains a read-only u-boot in NOR as fallback |
| 20:55.16 | bumbl | nameserver is correct too |
| 20:55.35 | nullpuppy | abraxa_: ahh, alright. awesome |
| 20:55.53 | Tig|_ | bumbl, try another ping. |
| 20:56.06 | Tig|_ | mine did something similar the very first time |
| 20:56.40 | bumbl | http://pastebin.com/m4bb5d5bc |
| 20:57.47 | bumbl | second and third ping failed too |
| 20:58.08 | Tig|_ | hmmm the iwconfig looks ok |
| 20:58.15 | bumbl | I wonder why it says Encryption key:off |
| 20:58.19 | Tig|_ | well it is the same as mine and working :) |
| 20:58.32 | Tig|_ | because the encryption is being done by wpa_supplicant |
| 20:58.54 | bumbl | I see one on my desktop computer though |
| 20:59.12 | Tig|_ | bumbl, dunno then but mine is the same here and working :) |
| 20:59.27 | Tig|_ | can you ping your AP ip address |
| 20:59.38 | bumbl | I am trying at the moment |
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| 21:00.08 | bumbl | I can ping the AP |
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| 21:00.32 | nullpuppy | wtf |
| 21:00.34 | bumbl | But I can't ping the DNS |
| 21:00.41 | Tig|_ | so you can ping the ap but not DNS, odd |
| 21:00.55 | Tig|_ | I had this the first time around |
| 21:01.01 | nullpuppy | just subscribed to various om mailing lists.. and confirmation email lists an IP thats not mine... |
| 21:01.19 | Tig|_ | nullpuppy, inline ISP proxy? |
| 21:01.24 | nullpuppy | nope |
| 21:01.25 | LionKMP | can I flash gta02 images into qemu with MokoMakefile (&flash.sh) ? How? |
| 21:01.28 | bumbl | I must say I have freerunner -> router -> dsl modem -> telephone line -> ... |
| 21:01.34 | nullpuppy | ip apparently is for docs.openmoko.org/trac |
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| 21:02.09 | Tig|_ | bumbl, right can you ping the dsl modem ip address? |
| 21:02.19 | nullpuppy | LionKMP: i don't think so. apparently qemu doesn't fully emulate the gta02 hw yet. |
| 21:02.42 | nullpuppy | you have to use a custom kernel. but the rest of the stuff works properly. |
| 21:02.50 | LionKMP | nullpuppy: yep, not fully, but I thought it would work to some degree if flash.sh allowed to do. |
| 21:02.58 | LionKMP | hm, ok, I don't want to build a kernel :) |
| 21:03.03 | nullpuppy | but i think you have to do it all manually. the MokoMakeFile won't do it for you |
| 21:03.05 | LionKMP | (OE does not build for me) |
| 21:03.12 | nullpuppy | hehe, yeah |
| 21:03.15 | Gnutoo | where do i change the rootfs size? changing ROOT_FLASH_SIZE = "60" to ROOT_FLASH_SIZE = "120" still gives me that: | + genext2fs -b 65536 -d /home/gnutoo/oetmp/rootfs /home/gnutoo/oetmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/Openmoko-openmoko-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080706-om-gta01.rootfs.ext2 ;| genext2fs: couldn't allocate a block (no free space) |
| 21:03.22 | nullpuppy | we should but rwhitby to update it ;) |
| 21:03.23 | Tig|_ | bumbl, after that try : 216.239.59.103 which is a random google server :) |
| 21:03.25 | LionKMP | I don't want custom kernel, I would like to try daily builds. |
| 21:03.43 | LionKMP | hm.. that would be great, yes :) |
| 21:03.44 | nullpuppy | LionKMP: yeah, me too :/ really wanted to play with it before it arrived |
| 21:04.12 | bumbl | Tig|_: no I can't ping the dsl modems ip adress |
| 21:04.31 | Tig|_ | nullpuppy, / LionKMP : well the actual bit you will be using most is not the kernel but the rootfs |
| 21:04.54 | nullpuppy | yeah, true. |
| 21:05.04 | bumbl | but I can ping the random google server |
| 21:05.14 | Tig|_ | unless you are kernel hacking, so it does not matter which kernel you are using as you will still be able to try the daily builds :) |
| 21:05.30 | LionKMP | Tig|: in qemu or on the real? |
| 21:05.34 | Tig|_ | bumbl, hmmm have you tried an ifdown then ifup |
| 21:05.41 | LionKMP | gta02 images does not flash to qemu. |
| 21:06.07 | LionKMP | (not with current MokoMakefile or flash.sh) |
| 21:06.15 | Tig|_ | LionKMP, well the gta01 images are virtually the same they just have a few lines of config changed for the various hardware differences |
| 21:06.16 | ferric | crap, I jsut booted up my linux box and smoke came out of hte power suply |
| 21:06.26 | ferric | does that mean the power supply is fux0red and i should not boot it again? |
| 21:06.28 | nullpuppy | yeah, the flash.sh always wants gta01 images. couldn't figure out how to change that |
| 21:06.35 | LionKMP | Tig|: hehe, yes, but there are no builds. Are there? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080706/ |
| 21:06.46 | Tig|_ | ferric, magic smoke is never good, I would not risk trying to power it up again |
| 21:06.49 | LionKMP | nullpuppy: I changed that and bricked my QEmu :D |
| 21:06.54 | ferric | Tig|_: buy a new power supply then? |
| 21:07.07 | ferric | there's a smell of burning plastic in the air now. |
| 21:07.13 | nullpuppy | ferric: hope its just the PSU. if the genie came out, replace it. |
| 21:07.25 | nullpuppy | take a look inside, make sure nothing else is blown too... |
| 21:07.26 | ferric | Tig|_: there was a bang, and smoke out of the PSU |
| 21:07.38 | nullpuppy | ferric: woo, sounds like a capacitor blew.. |
| 21:07.42 | Tig|_ | LionKMP, try here : http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080705/ |
| 21:07.57 | LionKMP | :-p sorry |
| 21:08.01 | Tig|_ | hehe :) |
| 21:08.02 | ferric | nullpuppy: the case was open when I powered it up... the bang happened, smoke came out of the PSU but the FANS etc kept going till I powered it off in a split second. |
| 21:08.02 | LionKMP | wrong dir, I was in. |
| 21:08.03 | bumbl | Tig|_: wlan seems to be unstable; now I can ping the dns too |
| 21:08.04 | LionKMP | :) |
| 21:08.05 | nullpuppy | Tig|_: are those similar to the fr builds? |
| 21:08.21 | Tig|_ | nullpuppy, afaik yes |
| 21:08.22 | Gnutoo | found something on the net....i'll try |
| 21:08.22 | bumbl | and www.google.com |
| 21:08.35 | nullpuppy | ferric: ok. should just be the PSU then, hopefully it didn't take anything else with it. |
| 21:08.39 | bumbl | Tig|_: thank you very much, it is running |
| 21:08.45 | nullpuppy | Tig|_: hmm, alright, awesome. |
| 21:08.57 | ferric | nullpuppy: so get a new one before I power it up again? |
| 21:09.06 | Tig|_ | I found it took a while to settle the first time I was running it, after a reboot it seemed to work first time. I guess it just needs to settle :) |
| 21:09.12 | JoshTriplett | Can anyone else successfully reach http://www.fica.com ? |
| 21:09.23 | nullpuppy | ferric: yes. chances are it won't power on again regardless though |
| 21:09.32 | bumbl | you have to add your blog entry to the wiki and mention that ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 and patience helps |
| 21:10.34 | ferric | nullpuppy: i don't want it to fry the MB though, so i'll play it safe |
| 21:10.36 | Tig|_ | bumbl, now I have confimation it works for someone else I will :) |
| 21:10.41 | ferric | (if it hasn't already that is) |
| 21:10.54 | nullpuppy | ferric: yup :) |
| 21:11.30 | Tig|_ | JoshTriplett, can't hit it here |
| 21:11.42 | JoshTriplett | Tig|_: Thanks. |
| 21:14.10 | Tig|_ | ferric, personally I would not risk it :( |
| 21:14.42 | bumbl | Tig|_: it seems dns queries take ages; opkg update doesn't get the files |
| 21:14.51 | ferric | Tig|_: yeah, not powering it on. jsut going to buy a new PSU |
| 21:15.08 | ferric | but there's quite a range in PSU's as well... anyone know a good brand? these things go from $15-70 |
| 21:15.50 | Tig|_ | bumbl, hmm it is doing that here too now, I am sure it didn't the other day when I did it (reflashed this afternoon and still redoing stuff) |
| 21:16.07 | Tig|_ | the opkg error is possibly the dns timing out |
| 21:16.28 | bumbl | there is no error |
| 21:17.05 | bumbl | it just doesn't go on |
| 21:17.34 | ferric | think i'm going to get this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371006 |
| 21:18.07 | nullpuppy | :) antec's pretty decent. |
| 21:18.17 | nullpuppy | tis not a bad price either |
| 21:18.50 | nullpuppy | hahaha, love the first reviewers cons. |
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| 21:20.47 | Tig|_ | bumbl, right definatly a dns problem, it works when you put the ip into /etc/hosts |
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| 21:21.55 | Tig|_ | it is like it is hitting a timeout before looking it up in dns |
| 21:22.31 | bumbl | Tig|_: the question is why some adresses work and others don't |
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| 21:25.12 | Tig|_ | I thought it was that blasted tcp window scaling thing but it isn't |
| 21:25.58 | pyknite | hi |
| 21:28.05 | pyknite | is there a lib to use the gps? |
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| 21:30.30 | Tig|_ | pyknite, in what way? |
| 21:30.42 | Tig|_ | also which platform/ gta01 /02 |
| 21:30.56 | pyknite | gta02 |
| 21:31.30 | pyknite | I want to make a little programm in c++ who use the (a)gps |
| 21:31.41 | mjr | gypsy is apparently the gps daemon to be used by om |
| 21:31.54 | Tig|_ | there is a libgps16 package, dunno what it is though :) |
| 21:32.17 | bobkare | Most utils so far seem to use gpsd |
| 21:32.23 | mjr | bobkare, true so far |
| 21:32.44 | bobkare | I've seen gypsy mentioned in a couple of framework docs, but not in actual use anywhere at all |
| 21:33.09 | pyknite | hum, great... I will try to make a little wardriving programm when i get my freerunner ;) |
| 21:33.15 | bumbl | Tig|_: wlan is unusable; it works only one time out of 10 and then only partially |
| 21:33.18 | Tig|_ | bumbl, meh check you /etc/resolv.conf mine had two bogus dns |
| 21:33.35 | Tig|_ | just spotted it, did not scrutinise the ip addresses |
| 21:33.40 | bumbl | no mine is correct |
| 21:33.54 | bobkare | bumbl: It's worked fine for me every time I've tried |
| 21:34.38 | bobkare | Anyway, for wardriving you only need to scan |
| 21:34.42 | Tig|_ | bumbl, mine is now working fine, the other two things I have done is put an entry for my hostname in /etc/hosts |
| 21:34.54 | Tig|_ | and disable tcp window scaling |
| 21:35.25 | Tig|_ | but mine seemed to be two duff dns addresses, that was the final thing that made it work |
| 21:35.33 | bumbl | what is tcp window scaling and what host entry have you set? |
| 21:36.08 | Tig|_ | i added om-gta02 to the localhosts line |
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| 21:37.20 | Tig|_ | and also ran: echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling |
| 21:37.21 | Gnutoo | hello, i have successfully build an openmoko image for gta01(qemu) but now how do i enable the keyboard because typing with the cellphone keyboard isn't great(it's a 2007.2 like image but with 2.6.24 kenrel and a recent userland all from oe) |
| 21:39.03 | Tig|_ | Gnutoo, looky here : http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community/16423 |
| 21:39.36 | Tig|_ | then click on the subject and there is a whole thread about it and a wiki link :) |
| 21:40.17 | Gnutoo | Tig|_, ok thanks a lot |
| 21:40.50 | Tig|_ | no problem |
| 21:41.51 | nullpuppy | so, i know it's been mentioned that nokia chargers work for charging the neo's. anyone know if motorola charges will work too? (ones that use a mini-b connector) |
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| 21:42.43 | Tig|_ | nullpuppy, most likely yes but it will not fast charge |
| 21:43.17 | nullpuppy | k |
| 21:43.46 | Tig|_ | as if i remember the OM one has a special resistor in it so the phone can recognise it and pull more juice |
| 21:43.59 | nullpuppy | hmm, ok. |
| 21:44.01 | Tig|_ | this is to stop it pulling to much power from a normal usb bus |
| 21:44.17 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 21:44.19 | alex-weej | "pulling power"? |
| 21:44.21 | nullpuppy | makes sense |
| 21:44.39 | Tig|_ | there are a couple of scripts / programs kicking about to force it into fast charge mode if you know the power supply can handle it |
| 21:45.31 | Tig|_ | alex-weej, yeah you don't want it pulling too much ampage from a normal pc usb card for example :) |
| 21:45.50 | nullpuppy | yup, cause it'll fry your controller if you do so ;) |
| 21:46.09 | goodwill | what rss reader do you guys recommend for a desktop? |
| 21:46.10 | alex-weej | don't the cards themselves regulate the current? |
| 21:46.21 | goodwill | something the kinda sits int he system tray |
| 21:46.24 | nullpuppy | to a point, yes, they should |
| 21:46.27 | alex-weej | goodwill: don't waste your time. google reader. :P |
| 21:46.28 | goodwill | and maybe somethign I can add notes too |
| 21:46.32 | Tig|_ | in fact all the details are here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger |
| 21:46.35 | goodwill | alex-weej: no way |
| 21:46.38 | Gnutoo | Tig|_, that will be usefull...but i'd also like a hardware keyboard from usb(because i will make usb host work when i'll get my phone) or for qemu(for now) |
| 21:46.44 | alex-weej | i tried liferea for a while, but got sick cause i use like 4 different computers + my mobile |
| 21:46.58 | alex-weej | google reader does the lot and stops me wasting time re-reading stuff i've already read |
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| 21:47.09 | nullpuppy | hehe, yeah. i just use netvibes. |
| 21:47.20 | nullpuppy | tis kind of like igoogle on steroids |
| 21:47.30 | goodwill | alex-weej: hmmm |
| 21:47.32 | goodwill | alex-weej: maybe |
| 21:48.08 | Tig|_ | Gnutoo, maybe, i don't have the figures but a bluetooth one might be a better idea as then you only need to power the bt chip as the keyboard would have it's own battery and might take less juice than using usb host |
| 21:48.20 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 21:48.28 | Gnutoo | Tig|_, ok i'll need to find one... |
| 21:48.29 | alex-weej | see, i thought about this -- if there was a desktop client to some central server which managed the state of items that came in... |
| 21:48.33 | alex-weej | then i realised that's just IMAP |
| 21:48.37 | nullpuppy | i'm thinking about picking up that cc sized bt keyboard that was mentioned a few days ago here. |
| 21:48.51 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 21:49.12 | nullpuppy | http://freedominput.com/site/index.php |
| 21:49.14 | Gnutoo | Tig|_, and one with the same size than my usb one...by the way my keyboard eat 100mA |
| 21:49.22 | Gnutoo | s/eat/eats |
| 21:49.52 | Tig|_ | is that more or less than running bluetooth? (no idea here :) ) |
| 21:50.16 | goodwill | alex-weej: does google read have a way to annotate a particular entry I want |
| 21:50.30 | alex-weej | goodwill: exactly that |
| 21:50.31 | cb22 | could someone tell me how long the kernel boot part takes on a freerunner / neo? |
| 21:50.43 | alex-weej | goodwill: they're called "notes", and you can even publish them via your own feed |
| 21:50.53 | bumbl | Tig|_: 15 tries one successful |
| 21:51.23 | bumbl | all data (dns, ip,...) correct |
| 21:51.43 | Tig|_ | bumbl, hmm there must be something |
| 21:51.44 | abraxa_ | cb22: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003309.html |
| 21:52.16 | nullpuppy | alright, time to head out. cya'll later |
| 21:53.02 | bumbl | the question is what; unter gentoo it worked flawlessly with wpa_supplicant |
| 21:53.13 | Tig|_ | bumbl, anything in : logread /var/volatile/log/wtmp that might help |
| 21:53.24 | bumbl | s#wored#works |
| 21:53.26 | Tig|_ | (found that one earlier, loads of debug messages in there :) ) |
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| 21:55.11 | bumbl | http://pastebin.com/m2da56848 |
| 21:55.23 | bumbl | that is repeated all the time |
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| 21:57.01 | Tig|_ | bumbl, hmm |
| 21:58.34 | Tig|_ | don't think that is anything |
| 21:59.06 | Tig|_ | does your AP work as a dns resolver? |
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| 21:59.34 | Tig|_ | if so can you try just having that in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:59.53 | Tig|_ | (it is how I am working here, just a wild stab in the dark) |
| 22:00.29 | bumbl | no, the wireless router just routes the traffic to the dsl modem which has the IP 10.0.0.138 and which is written in the resolv.conf |
| 22:01.02 | Tig|_ | and that does work as a dns resolver ? |
| 22:01.18 | Tig|_ | if so can you comment out any other dns sources |
| 22:02.33 | cb22 | abraxa_: thanks |
| 22:02.34 | bumbl | resolv.conf looks as follwos on my pc and on the openmoko |
| 22:02.52 | Tig|_ | hmm |
| 22:04.41 | Tig|_ | ok here is a thought, run : route -n make sure that it is going the right way |
| 22:04.58 | Tig|_ | not trying to route via the usb interface or anything daft |
| 22:05.04 | bumbl | search lan |
| 22:05.05 | bumbl | nameserver 10.0.0.138 |
| 22:05.11 | Tig|_ | ah |
| 22:05.18 | Tig|_ | I binned my search line too |
| 22:05.31 | Tig|_ | as it would never resolve |
| 22:06.17 | Tig|_ | I wonder if that could be it |
| 22:07.13 | Tig|_ | try getting rid of the search line |
| 22:07.39 | bumbl | http://pastebin.com/m56c6533c |
| 22:07.43 | bumbl | route -n |
| 22:09.19 | Tig|_ | route output looks fine, what happens when you get rid of the search line in resolv.conf? |
| 22:09.59 | bumbl | nothing changes |
| 22:10.02 | Tig|_ | remember we are using embedded versions of some programs so they might not be behaving exactly the same as on desktop machines |
| 22:10.05 | Tig|_ | bugger |
| 22:10.18 | Tig|_ | what else could it be |
| 22:10.39 | bumbl | I also put the search line after the nameserver line and nothing happened |
| 22:11.18 | bumbl | I don't know, i will search for more solutions tomorrow |
| 22:11.23 | bumbl | Thank you for your help even if it doesn't work for now, I have to quit |
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| 22:11.54 | Tig|_ | ok no worries, sorry we didn't fix it :( |
| 22:12.42 | bumbl | yes, but at least I know the wlan of the freerunner is not broken because it worked sometimes |
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| 22:34.14 | Tig|_ | oh arsebadgers that screws that idea :( for anyone wondering if you can use the kernel from the FSO with a 2007.2 image, alas you cannot yet :( |
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| 22:34.44 | Tig|_ | a whole arseload of dma2: channel has nothing loaded errors :( |
| 22:36.15 | SirBob1701 | i gotta come up with ideas of apps to write lol. was gonna make a calendar app for the phone but if there doing it already haha. unless i just make a better one hmm... |
| 22:36.38 | wurp2|away | I have an ignorant question... |
| 22:36.45 | wurp2|away | Anyone know how to set the window manager in OM? |
| 22:37.08 | wurp2|away | It's probably the standard way for linux, which I also don't know :-O (it's one of those things I always use a GUI for) |
| 22:37.09 | Tig|_ | wurp2|away, changing it from matchbox? |
| 22:37.17 | wurp2|away | Tig|_: *to* matchbox ;-) |
| 22:37.19 | wurp2|away | For FSO |
| 22:37.27 | Tig|_ | oooooooooooooooooooo :) |
| 22:37.40 | wurp2|away | First step to getting the 2007.2 apps in the environment they expect |
| 22:37.55 | Tig|_ | erm hang on will do some research |
| 22:38.09 | wurp2|away | Well, I could do my own research... |
| 22:38.17 | wurp2|away | This is just always the first step of my research :-) |
| 22:38.21 | SirBob1701 | i know for say compiz it was compiz --replace |
| 22:38.38 | SirBob1701 | so there might be a flag for the window manager to kill the existing and start |
| 22:38.45 | Tig|_ | wurp2|away, http://xwinman.org/basics.php <-- in there :) |
| 22:38.46 | SirBob1701 | i believe metacity has a --replace too |
| 22:38.47 | wurp2|away | SirBob1701: cool, thx |
| 22:38.56 | wurp2|away | Tig|_: awesome, thanks! |
| 22:39.08 | Tig|_ | paths might be different but the concept should be similar |
| 22:39.52 | Tig|_ | SirBob1701, well you could code an app to import contacts / events from different sources that is one area that needs work atm |
| 22:40.40 | SirBob1701 | Tig|_: hmm what kind of sources besides sim? outlook, evolution and thunderbird? |
| 22:40.54 | Tig|_ | vcard, bluetooth, ical |
| 22:40.58 | Tig|_ | google apps |
| 22:41.03 | Tig|_ | csv |
| 22:41.35 | Tig|_ | SirBob1701, also which apps are you importing them into |
| 22:41.47 | Tig|_ | the gtk apps or the qt apps? |
| 22:41.51 | SirBob1701 | true |
| 22:42.15 | SirBob1701 | i'll have to wait till my phone comes this week so i can play with it and see what i like better so i can decide |
| 22:42.20 | Tig|_ | as openmoko progresses there will be a need for a program to make them talk to eachother :) |
| 22:42.27 | SirBob1701 | they still coding openmoko in c and python only |
| 22:42.35 | wurp2|away | Tig|_: I think the 2007.2 contact manager already pulls contacts from SIM |
| 22:42.49 | ieatlint | how are the contacts stored on the phone even? |
| 22:43.02 | Tig|_ | wurp2|away, it might from the sim but not from bt for example |
| 22:43.03 | wurp2|away | I know I wrote a script for it, and right after some Chinese guy said he had a patch that did it, and supported internationalization :-/ |
| 22:43.08 | wurp2|away | Tig|_: true |
| 22:43.13 | ieatlint | one would think something like sqlite would work well, as it would allow easy access/manipulation/etc of contacts |
| 22:43.33 | wurp2|away | ieatlint: On 2007.2, it's a, er, that standard linux PIM, db |
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| 22:43.38 | Tig|_ | ieatlint, well the gtk suite stores it in evolution backend format IIRC and the qt apps use sqlite? |
| 22:43.39 | wurp2|away | but there's a dbus interface that I used |
| 22:44.12 | wurp2|away | s/that standard linux PIM/evolution, I think/ |
| 22:44.21 | ieatlint | hah, i hate evolution |
| 22:44.24 | wurp2|away | Yeah, what Tig|_ said |
| 22:44.42 | Tig|_ | ieatlint, don't confuse the frontend with the backend of any system :) |
| 22:44.54 | wurp2|away | ieatlint: Yeah, you don't see anything evolution-like |
| 22:45.04 | wurp2|away | which is not to say that it's better :-) |
| 22:45.09 | Tig|_ | infact it is the total opposite :P |
| 22:45.10 | ieatlint | i've not dealt with the evolution backend, so i guess i just got my opinions set by the frontend |
| 22:45.33 | Tig|_ | my first response was "what the fuck do I do with this?" :) |
| 22:46.19 | ieatlint | well, i hope my phone gets shipped tomorrow :) |
| 22:46.22 | wurp2|away | Tig|_: That has been my first response with most of the 2007.2 apps :-/ |
| 22:46.30 | Tig|_ | hehe |
| 22:46.32 | wurp2|away | OK, found the fso wm |
| 22:46.47 | ieatlint | i'll probably end up breaking shit and needing to reload an image, hehe |
| 22:47.12 | Tig|_ | ieatlint, oh you might no break stuff but you will be playing with different images for a bit :) |
| 22:48.06 | ieatlint | hah |
| 22:48.24 | ieatlint | i'll just have some annoyed friends who will keep saying "i tried to call you" |
| 22:48.50 | Tig|_ | ieatlint, oh you don't know how much I am having to spend of flowers :P |
| 22:49.05 | wurp2|away | anyone know offhand how to mount a jffs2 file (not FS) |
| 22:49.23 | wurp2|away | Y'all just need to run FSO for now |
| 22:49.25 | Tig|_ | "why is your phone not working? have you broken it again?" |
| 22:49.42 | Tig|_ | wurp2|away, alas no sms on it |
| 22:49.47 | wurp2|away | And never ever decide at 20 min before bedtime to "upgrade your phone real quick" |
| 22:49.51 | wurp2|away | Tig|_: True :-( |
| 22:50.03 | ieatlint | haha |
| 22:50.05 | Tig|_ | wurp2|away, hahahahahaaa |
| 22:50.14 | wurp2|away | Tig|_: But... if the dbus is done, making a python app for it would prolly be ez |
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| 22:50.31 | Tig|_ | or even use one of the existing ones |
| 22:50.33 | ieatlint | the sms AT commands are insanely simple |
| 22:50.35 | Tig|_ | need a keyboard though |
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| 22:50.47 | wurp2|away | Then again, it would also be duplicate work since hopefully shr will work |
| 22:51.00 | ieatlint | get a usb keyboard or a ps2 to usb adapter |
| 22:51.02 | Tig|_ | imput methods is currently one of the biggest problems atm |
| 22:51.05 | wurp2|away | ieatlint: Yeah, but you'd need to integrate w/ ophoned... which might be easy, dunno |
| 22:51.19 | wurp2|away | and keyboard is the big issue, yeah. You'd have to put one in said python app |
| 22:51.30 | edistar | wurp2|away: it's now called ogsmd :) |
| 22:51.43 | Tig|_ | edistar, is it? |
| 22:51.44 | wurp2|away | edistar: Wow, since when? |
| 22:51.55 | spdr | hey, just want your honest opinion, u guys think i should order ? and how hard is it to dev for it ? |
| 22:52.00 | wurp2|away | gotta go, dinner w/ friends |
| 22:52.05 | edistar | no idea, but it says on freesmartphone.org ;) I only saw that today |
| 22:52.08 | Tig|_ | is it just me or does that sound like a web2.0 pr0n company? :) :) :) |
| 22:52.30 | ieatlint | would that be a daemon that holds the file lock on the modem so that multiple applications can access it? |
| 22:52.32 | edistar | spdr: how much experience with linux do you have? |
| 22:52.42 | spdr | quite a lot |
| 22:52.54 | spdr | although dev'ing isnt my strong side :\ |
| 22:53.47 | edistar | spdr: well.. I think you should order :) |
| 22:54.03 | edistar | spdr: dev'ing is quite fun, python is easy |
| 22:54.24 | mjr | spdr, depends if you want a user product or a dev/toy platform, and as for the latter, not very - the technologies are the same as you'd find in a desktop, though it's slower, less memory, and smaller screen. Setting up a cross-compiling toolchain, if you use a compiled language, can seem a bit daunting but there are docs. |
| 22:54.30 | Tig|_ | basically, if you want a working phone then don't, if you want a cool toy to play with that occasionally will be working when you are not fiddling with it and will be an ace phone later then order :) |
| 22:55.37 | Tig|_ | that should be working phone *RIGHT NOW* |
| 22:55.40 | spdr | i want a toy and a phone ^_^ the gsm is also messed up/not working? |
| 22:55.56 | fuzzdk | Hi, I have two questions before I'll go buy a FreeRunner. 1: Is it possible to run the usb in hostmode, and connect e.g. a CF cardreader? 2: How fast can you transfer data with this 2.5G? |
| 22:56.09 | edistar | spdr: gsm is working |
| 22:56.34 | edistar | fuzzdk: host mode is possible and transfer data is possible via gprs |
| 22:56.42 | igor321 | 1) yes 2)5 kBps |
| 22:57.27 | Tig|_ | spdr, gsm works and makes recieves calls fine, as do smses, the sms app / keyboard is a bit of a pain in the arse but is all working, battery life is poor atm untill the powersaving stuff from the FSO is merged back |
| 22:57.55 | spdr | lets say in comparison with a nokia n800 or so, how better functioning is the nokia ? |
| 22:58.07 | spdr | (i know the nokia isnt actually a phone) |
| 22:58.10 | ieatlint | there need to be more places that deliver food here :( |
| 22:58.11 | spdr | oh i see.. |
| 22:58.13 | Tig|_ | well the freerunner has a phone for a start :P |
| 22:58.16 | mjr | well, openmoko has really good phone features in comparison |
| 22:58.16 | mjr | yeah |
| 22:58.32 | spdr | heh |
| 22:58.37 | spdr | how about voip ? |
| 22:58.59 | Tig|_ | not used an n800 but I understand that the apps on it are more polished |
| 22:59.03 | fuzzdk | Hmm, too slow to use as a GPRS modem then. But sounds usefull as a PDA. |
| 22:59.05 | mjr | no adapted software for it, though certainly no problem to do given that |
| 22:59.20 | Tig|_ | fuzzdk, erm it is infact a gprs modem |
| 22:59.33 | mjr | fuzzdk, GPRS is GPRS. |
| 23:00.01 | ieatlint | well, voip is still potentially useful |
| 23:00.08 | ieatlint | at home, or in hotspots |
| 23:00.18 | fuzzdk | Yes. But we have 7.2 mbit (3G) connections here |
| 23:00.19 | mjr | ieatlint, certainly |
| 23:00.45 | mjr | fuzzdk, the point was, it's as fast to use as a gprs mode as anything |
| 23:00.53 | ieatlint | is the gta03 actually going to have 3g support? or at least edge? |
| 23:00.53 | Tig|_ | spdr, software is at a bit of a weird stage at the moment, best explained by this post : http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
| 23:01.25 | mjr | ieatlint, edge has been talked about, but *shrug*. No 3g. |
| 23:01.49 | Tig|_ | ieatlint, as I understand it nothing has been decided, lots of people want things but OM is a small company and atm the biggest thing is getting the freerunner running :) |
| 23:01.57 | ieatlint | well, i hope edge anyway... can pull ~210kbit on edge here |
| 23:02.19 | mjr | does find it likely that it'll have edge, but I'm no-one special |
| 23:02.34 | mjr | regardless, the FR is what we have now |
| 23:02.48 | ieatlint | yeah, and i'm anxious to get mine |
| 23:02.59 | Tig|_ | oooo I wonder, I have just remembered my 3G usb dongle :) I will have to get an adaptor and try it :) |
| 23:03.10 | ieatlint | was introduced to it by someone i met in a coffee shop who had a neo1973... been anxious since |
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| 23:03.28 | mjr | Tig|_, yeah me too, probably, though it'd require an arm-compiled usb_modeswitch... |
| 23:03.33 | ieatlint | hehe, i was thinking of getting a dongle |
| 23:03.49 | ieatlint | need to find a decent battery powered usb hub |
| 23:04.05 | mjr | ieatlint, the FR can provide power. Of course, not for _long_ necessarily... |
| 23:04.14 | Tig|_ | mjr, erk, sounds like I am going to have to get my paws dirty and setup a toolchain |
| 23:04.16 | ieatlint | yeah, exactly |
| 23:04.27 | ieatlint | and a 3g dongle would be a power hog to feed that modem |
| 23:05.23 | Tig|_ | oh bugger it, I will suffer gprs if there is no hotspot but if I am travelling I will have my eeeeeeepc anyway :) so it can connect via that and usb :) |
| 23:05.34 | Tig|_ | bigger battery :) |
| 23:05.38 | mjr | ieatlint, anyway, I don't find it very productive;using a dongle is cumbersome, and GPRS is ok for much (not all, but much) of the stuff one wants to do on a small screen anyways, and wifi is aplenty. |
| 23:06.06 | ieatlint | 'tis mostly true |
| 23:06.16 | ieatlint | but there are numerous things that edge can manage that gprs cannot |
| 23:06.21 | ieatlint | internet radio, for instance |
| 23:06.28 | mjr | aren't there always |
| 23:06.47 | ieatlint | indeed, it is a drawback, but it certainly didn't stop me from buying |
| 23:06.47 | mjr | well, there was someone insane here who tried streaming video over gprs |
| 23:07.14 | Tig|_ | ieatlint, yeah but considering the running costs of mobile data at the moment I would rather spend my money on a large memory card and load it up when wifi is not available |
| 23:07.14 | ieatlint | lol... that probably looked nasty |
| 23:07.22 | mjr | said it wasn't very bad, custom-endoded for the bandwidth, but I dunno |
| 23:07.46 | ieatlint | Tig|, here in the states i pay $20 for unlimited data |
| 23:07.51 | fuzzdk | I think I'll buy one. Even though I would really like 3G. |
| 23:07.56 | mjr | 10⬠for unlimited :] |
| 23:08.07 | mjr | but then the euro is a real currency ;) |
| 23:08.29 | ieatlint | $6 buys me email/wap, $20 gets me unlimited unrestricted with a routable ip and access to a nationwide hotspot network |
| 23:08.32 | Tig|_ | ieatlint, cool. it is £10 for 1Gig of data here with a 30 day timeout |
| 23:09.00 | mjr | 1 gig isn't a terrible limitation though |
| 23:09.01 | fuzzdk | BTW. Would it be possible to change the firmware and run android on it? |
| 23:09.05 | Tig|_ | free hotspots are getting more common though |
| 23:09.25 | Tig|_ | fuzzdk, possibly that would depend on android |
| 23:09.40 | mjr | fuzzdk, not the provided binaries. It may be perhaps ported over if/when the code is actually freed. |
| 23:09.56 | ieatlint | i heard something about android being incompatible with the cpu |
| 23:10.17 | ieatlint | that android required like arm v6 and the FR was arm v5 (or something... probably got the numbers wrong) |
| 23:10.18 | Danker | That is barely possible |
| 23:10.22 | Tig|_ | quite a few national chains do freewifi, including pubs and fast food places, noticed that on the continent too |
| 23:10.24 | Danker | Linux supports all hardware :D |
| 23:10.43 | Tig|_ | FR is ARM4 iirc |
| 23:10.52 | mjr | I thought 4 too |
| 23:10.54 | mjr | and android 5 |
| 23:10.57 | Tig|_ | well that is what it says in the repo :) |
| 23:11.02 | ieatlint | yeah, ok, that's it then, hehe |
| 23:11.07 | ieatlint | as i said, probably got the numbers wrong |
| 23:11.15 | ieatlint | anyway, supposedly that prevents it from being compatible |
| 23:11.30 | mjr | anyway, android is compiled for a later revision of arm, yes, and if the release their stuff sometime as free software as they've implied, it can be compiled for v4 |
| 23:11.47 | mjr | 'course, the code generator for the vm will have to be adjusted as well, don't know how big a job it'd be |
| 23:11.54 | fuzzdk | Ok. And if they don't free it there is no point (for me) to run it |
| 23:12.04 | mjr | android apps wouldn't care, being vm apps |
| 23:12.16 | Tig|_ | as I understand it the base will be linux and freesoftware but userland will not be and I did not think they have offered to open that at all |
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| 23:12.31 | igor321 | exactly, android is java at the high level |
| 23:12.44 | ieatlint | java is a nasty plague |
| 23:12.53 | mjr | igor321, java, except not ;) |
| 23:12.56 | mjr | as in incompatible |
| 23:13.15 | niklauz | is android all above the java line? |
| 23:13.20 | ieatlint | and people who keep telling me that it's the future because computers are getting faster and it's easier than a low level language need to change careers |
| 23:13.41 | mjr | niklauz, not quite all of it, I don't think, but the application apis and such I do think |
| 23:13.56 | igor321 | well, arent fso apps in python? |
| 23:14.01 | niklauz | interesting, so it's not really in competition w/ OM as much as jalimo |
| 23:14.18 | fuzzdk | IMHO it doesn |
| 23:14.41 | edistar | igor321: no, they are in python |
| 23:14.42 | mjr | niklauz, indeed I also think it's not in direct competition with OM, though may divert interest nonetheless. Hence I do hope they'll free enough of the stuff for someone to port their VM over. |
| 23:14.48 | fuzzdk | 't matter which language the apps are in as long as you have the possibility to write them in a descent language of your own choice |
| 23:14.51 | edistar | igor321: sry, misrea |
| 23:14.52 | edistar | d |
| 23:14.56 | Danker | ieatlint: Just look at how Vista is killing computer performance ;) :D |
| 23:15.01 | igor321 | edistar: np |
| 23:15.20 | edistar | and python is looking good for apps! |
| 23:15.30 | mjr | does like his python |
| 23:15.48 | igor321 | is looking at his python |
| 23:15.52 | fuzzdk | One thing that might be more interesting than running android on Freerunner would be to able to run the applications for android on freerunner |
| 23:16.01 | ieatlint | vista displeases me |
| 23:16.08 | niklauz | OM made me want to learn python, i've been studying off and on for a few months |
| 23:16.15 | ieatlint | but then, i'm a linux geek, so that's unsurprising |
| 23:16.32 | igor321 | i kinda like vista, installed it for my father |
| 23:16.39 | igor321 | doesn't suck as much as they say |
| 23:16.52 | Danker | I guess almost 95% of people who are here are linux geeks ;) |
| 23:17.04 | Danker | igor321: It sucks x) |
| 23:17.21 | Danker | Try flash drive performance :D |
| 23:17.31 | zash | igor321: can you move windows by holding alt and dragging anywhere? |
| 23:17.31 | igor321 | Danker: it least it doesn't run all apps as root |
| 23:17.40 | Danker | Ya... That is good :) |
| 23:17.41 | ieatlint | i've had to use vista, it sucks |
| 23:17.48 | igor321 | zash: in vista? i dunno |
| 23:18.04 | Danker | But the whole idea to have 1GB RAM just to run OS make me sick |
| 23:18.11 | Danker | makes* |
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| 23:18.19 | igor321 | yeah, funny thing is, wine is like 50 mb |
| 23:18.21 | ieatlint | even after you turn off that prompt that every 2 min goes "OMG! You clicked a button! That could be dangerous!" |
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| 23:19.01 | zash | igor321: i miss that and middle-click-paste every time i touch a windows box |
| 23:19.21 | ieatlint | indeed, me too |
| 23:19.43 | ieatlint | you run into that issue where you highlight text, then close the window and realise you didn't actually copy the text |
| 23:20.12 | igor321 | zash: i keep trying the compiz zoom, cause i'm really used to it and stuff, it's frustrating :) |
| 23:20.35 | igor321 | althou i haven't touched a ms box in some time :) |
| 23:21.02 | niklauz | i miss the corner taps to scale windows by workspace |
| 23:21.18 | niklauz | on winxp at least, idk if vista has anything comparable |
| 23:21.30 | igor321 | so when is android coming out? |
| 23:21.34 | igor321 | this year? |
| 23:21.39 | igor321 | i mean the handsets? |
| 23:22.01 | niklauz | minimizing windows to find other windows is soo 1995 |
| 23:22.08 | ieatlint | august or september is the rumour for android |
| 23:22.20 | igor321 | already? |
| 23:22.22 | igor321 | damn |
| 23:22.49 | igor321 | and it's not certain if their java vm will be open source? |
| 23:22.57 | |Marco| | has there been made any software for reading the accellerometers at all yet ? |
| 23:23.18 | niklauz | anyone know if there are other stacks based on the fso spec? |
| 23:23.35 | niklauz | or how hw portable the om/fso stack is? |
| 23:24.32 | edistar | niklauz: FSO is already running on the ezx devices, it's all based on angstrom |
| 23:24.40 | edistar | and OE |
| 23:24.45 | edistar | so it should be quite portable |
| 23:25.03 | Tig|_ | |Marco|, there is a sample app in python that was posted on the planet the other day |
| 23:25.06 | edistar | the FSO code is python afaik? so it would be quite portable too |
| 23:25.08 | niklauz | i... i thouht 2007.x was also based on angstrom, no? |
| 23:25.22 | edistar | niklauz: yes |
| 23:25.47 | niklauz | experienced mind blowage |
| 23:25.56 | edistar | niklauz: why? |
| 23:26.09 | Tig|_ | |Marco|, http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2008/07/01/openmoko-freerunner-test-application/ |
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| 23:26.19 | niklauz | so 2007.x was angstrom and ASU isn't, but FSO is? |
| 23:26.27 | edistar | niklauz: it all is angstrom basically |
| 23:26.35 | niklauz | i'm obviously misunderstanding something |
| 23:26.51 | niklauz | define angstrom, plz? |
| 23:27.16 | CVirus | A unit of length equal to 100 pm or 10 -10 m. |
| 23:27.27 | Tig|_ | niklauz, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ |
| 23:27.35 | edistar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85ngstr%C3%B6m_distribution |
| 23:28.07 | niklauz | lol, i love irc |
| 23:28.34 | niklauz | i hope heaven has irc & wifi |
| 23:28.48 | CVirus | I hope that too |
| 23:29.03 | CVirus | I hope hell has that too |
| 23:29.33 | CVirus | go check |
| 23:29.40 | niklauz | good think, CVirus |
| 23:29.58 | CVirus | go check ? |
| 23:30.01 | CVirus | wtf .. when did i write that |
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| 23:30.11 | CVirus | err .. that was meant in the other window .. sorry |
| 23:30.21 | dcordes | niklauz: where do you want to put openmoko on? |
| 23:30.33 | dcordes | what device |
| 23:30.43 | niklauz | freerunner |
| 23:30.54 | edistar | dcordes: bad luck ;) |
| 23:31.15 | dcordes | edistar: I was just curious. not probing for htc |
| 23:31.20 | edistar | dcordes: ok :) |
| 23:31.55 | niklauz | angrstrom is a part of all these stacks, i guess im uncertain which part, like from what (kernel?) to what (minimal OS?) |
| 23:32.45 | niklauz | CVirus: i just realized that was mean, i thought you meant google it :D |
| 23:34.29 | CVirus | hehe |
| 23:35.13 | dcordes | are there any public figures on freerunner sales? |
| 23:35.29 | niklauz | which pulled unhelpful results, sadly |
| 23:41.04 | linuxxr | what about a device to charge the extra batteries? |
| 23:41.31 | linuxxr | an old cell phone maybe |
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| 23:42.06 | linuxxr | buy a gophone with that type of battery? |
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| 23:42.17 | linuxxr | thats the ticket |
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| 23:44.27 | zash | "that type of battery" as in neo1973 and/or freerunner battery? |
| 23:46.55 | zash | is the battery the same in gta01 and 02? |
| 23:47.19 | CVirus | what's a gophone ? |
| 23:48.29 | zash | google says pay as you go |
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| 23:53.00 | zash | hm, batteries aren't the same |
| 23:53.48 | ieatlint | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=726# :P |
| 23:54.51 | ieatlint | just need to work out attaching the battery to it, and you can charge from a wall outlet or usb |
| 23:56.04 | linuxxr | Do not use this charger to charge NiMH, NiCd, or any other battery type |
| 23:56.16 | linuxxr | watheck |
| 23:56.19 | ieatlint | i'm planning on modifying a portable usb hub to use the same battery as the FR, and charge the batteries |
| 23:56.33 | ieatlint | so will have a powered usb hub, a spare battery, and a standalone battery charger |
| 23:56.49 | ieatlint | yeah, li-ion batteries are different |
| 23:57.06 | ieatlint | the battery like communicates with the charger so it knows when it turn off and such |
| 23:57.21 | linuxxr | lithum only i c |
| 23:57.31 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 23:58.49 | niklauz | i never got a call from my cc company about my order... :-( i'm gonna try to order again |
| 23:59.17 | ieatlint | if they denied it, they likely won't call... they generally call to confirm a charge |
| 23:59.29 | linuxxr | i hope i c a tracking # or a shipped confirmation tomorrow |
| 23:59.33 | ieatlint | try again, if it fails, call your cc company and tell them a purchase you're trying to make is being denied |
| 23:59.48 | niklauz | i wish is kne wwhat i was doing wrong, i wanna order quick so i can get the goodies |
| 23:59.54 | niklauz | the acc. and stuff |