| 00:00.28 | gmaxwell | whats the largest minisd that people are using in the GTAs? |
| 00:00.45 | kelvie_ | yay, they let me cancel the order and re-order it with a new shipping method |
| 00:00.51 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: 8G has been reported working |
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| 00:01.51 | SpeedEvil | gmaxwell: I personally use a 4G |
| 00:02.16 | mjr | not mini, incidentally |
| 00:02.28 | mjr | don't buy a mini, you'll just get angry :) |
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| 00:03.04 | kelvie_ | wow.. and it's only 25 bucks for a 4G |
| 00:03.10 | gmaxwell | not mini? is it not mini? is it micro or something? |
| 00:03.16 | mjr | micro. |
| 00:03.21 | raster | thats why itsw silly to ship with flash on the device |
| 00:03.24 | gmaxwell | (I have a gta01 here I should know..) |
| 00:03.29 | raster | just ship with a micro-sd slot |
| 00:03.33 | edistar | gmaxwell: I'm using 8gb microSD at the moment |
| 00:03.37 | raster | and let users buy their flahs - however much they want |
| 00:03.47 | flexd | edistar: have you tried the fr as a mp3 player? :D |
| 00:03.53 | edistar | flexd: not yet |
| 00:04.00 | kelvie_ | micro SDHC is the same thing, right? |
| 00:04.08 | edistar | flexd: I'm working on debian at the moment, but the screen calibration is bothering me atm |
| 00:04.10 | flexd | I was thinking 8gb microsd + headset = new mp3 player! |
| 00:04.16 | ferric | n8gb microsd in your neo's???? |
| 00:04.18 | ferric | NICE! |
| 00:04.25 | flexd | I think i broke wget :( |
| 00:04.25 | edistar | flexd: + 5 extra batteries |
| 00:04.32 | ferric | edistar: haha |
| 00:04.33 | gmaxwell | http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-microSDHC-Card-SDSDQ-8192-Package/dp/B0012Y2LLE?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1207404947&sr=8-1 |
| 00:04.37 | gmaxwell | ^ check that out |
| 00:04.38 | flexd | edistar: true, but if it lasts a day of school its nice :) |
| 00:04.47 | flexd | trying to wget tangogps |
| 00:04.56 | flexd | and it just stops after saying its connecting :/ |
| 00:04.59 | mjr | flexd, all >2GB "SD" cards are SDHC to be exact |
| 00:05.09 | kelvie_ | ah |
| 00:05.14 | kelvie_ | amazon only ships to the states :( |
| 00:05.14 | flexd | mjr: i didnt say anything about SDHC. |
| 00:05.16 | kelvie_ | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13305 |
| 00:05.18 | kelvie_ | I did |
| 00:06.02 | gmaxwell | At $34 for 8gb I'm wondering when the 16gb will be out. ;) |
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| 00:07.04 | flexd | hmmm |
| 00:07.14 | flexd | buildhost is giving 404's on opkg update :( |
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| 00:12.59 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r3fb5ce066a4d 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (gpsdevice.py nmea.py): |
| 00:12.59 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Fix parsing of NMEA sentences. We now send out PositionChanged and |
| 00:12.59 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: AccuracyChanged signals. Warning, the parser still makes some weird assumptions |
| 00:12.59 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: like we always have a fix... |
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| 00:23.17 | Dave | skjera? |
| 00:24.45 | flexd | i dont know :) |
| 00:25.43 | Dave | go go 30dB gain :D |
| 00:25.46 | Dave | whee |
| 00:28.02 | aevin | Dave: external antenna? |
| 00:28.23 | bastian_ | can it be a problem to flash a freerunner with an image for 1973? |
| 00:28.34 | SpeedEvil | Yes, it won't work |
| 00:28.40 | bastian_ | k, thx |
| 00:28.56 | bastian_ | i forgot to change the makefile :) |
| 00:30.10 | bastian_ | but nor-flash cant be harmed, can it? |
| 00:30.18 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 00:30.23 | bastian_ | k, thx |
| 00:30.35 | bastian_ | then i have to make a new build |
| 00:30.36 | SpeedEvil | However, I haven't confirmed that there is a valid recovery image in the shipped NOR. |
| 00:30.45 | SpeedEvil | I mean - I don't know |
| 00:31.05 | bastian_ | k, then i should not reboot the fr |
| 00:31.44 | mjr | it can be harmed, you can take a hammer to it or something |
| 00:31.45 | edistar | bastian_: uboot shouldn't be bothered if you flash rootfs |
| 00:32.03 | bastian_ | and what about kernel? |
| 00:32.10 | mjr | neither that |
| 00:32.22 | bastian_ | k, thx |
| 00:32.38 | SpeedEvil | Oh sorry. |
| 00:32.43 | bastian_ | np |
| 00:32.50 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. I was thinking you meant uboot for some reason. |
| 00:32.54 | mjr | flashing those has no effect on the ability of the nand uboot to flash yet other ones |
| 00:33.47 | Dave | Hello Speedy :) |
| 00:33.53 | Dave | aevin, indeed :D |
| 00:34.09 | Dave | Fucking nighttime satellites. :[ |
| 00:34.26 | Dave | They always seem to be *just* out of reach... |
| 00:34.33 | edistar | Dave: gps? |
| 00:34.42 | Dave | Affirmative. |
| 00:34.50 | edistar | I can't get a fix either |
| 00:35.01 | Dave | Well having no problem right now. |
| 00:35.06 | bastian_ | you should work outside :) |
| 00:35.07 | Dave | with the antenna it's cheap :P |
| 00:35.11 | Dave | no need :D |
| 00:35.32 | edistar | is ts handled by glamo in the gta02? |
| 00:35.58 | bastian_ | does the gps work inside? or do you have an external antenna? |
| 00:36.33 | gmaxwell | bastian_, gta01 gps worked inside for me.. depends on the building. :) |
| 00:37.26 | Dave | Near a window it can be fine. |
| 00:37.35 | Dave | Yeah, higher tends to be better from my experience |
| 00:37.44 | Dave | (it can also simply mean, less stuff in the way, to the outside) :P |
| 00:38.01 | Dave | but so far my experience with the gps has been flaky |
| 00:38.20 | edistar | raster: do you know if ts is handled by glamo? |
| 00:38.22 | Dave | It's also been highly inaccurate |
| 00:38.28 | Dave | erratic |
| 00:38.35 | Dave | HELO raster |
| 00:38.54 | raster | edistar: touchscreen? |
| 00:39.01 | raster | Dave: mo |
| 00:39.10 | edistar | raster: yes |
| 00:39.14 | raster | well yes |
| 00:39.19 | raster | but glamo uses tslib |
| 00:39.26 | raster | and that just reads what the kernel device tells it |
| 00:39.36 | edistar | raster: I am trying to calibrate it but it doesn't work |
| 00:39.44 | edistar | I'm trying to get debian to work |
| 00:40.10 | raster | umm the ts is calibrated by default on OE |
| 00:40.14 | bastian_ | is that the reason, why in landscape mode the touches are not, where they should be (at least in the default image) |
| 00:40.21 | raster | comes with default calibration settings that work properly |
| 00:40.37 | raster | bastian_: it doesnt handle rotate properly - correct |
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| 00:40.47 | edistar | I used the values in /etc/pointercal and fed them to the debian /etc/pointercal, but that doesn't work |
| 00:40.48 | Dave | Correct. |
| 00:40.49 | raster | right now that isnt on the spec list for asu thus not bing fixed by us |
| 00:42.02 | edistar | is the tslib for gta02 different that for gta01? (sorry if that's a stupid question) |
| 00:42.02 | bastian_ | another question: where are the contacts etc saved in the default image. i tried to google, but didn't find anything informative |
| 00:42.03 | Dave | hopes Joerg gets better soon. |
| 00:42.14 | Dave | poor guy |
| 00:42.33 | bastian_ | me? |
| 00:43.02 | Dave | all your base? |
| 00:43.40 | bastian_ | would be the best |
| 00:44.04 | bastian_ | i don't want to enter any contact if i just check another image |
| 00:44.30 | edistar | bastian_: they are not |
| 00:44.44 | seg|ars | does anybody here have an asu image working in qemu? |
| 00:46.18 | bastian_ | for gta01 or 02? |
| 00:46.29 | edistar | qemu |
| 00:46.29 | bastian_ | if for 01 i could have one |
| 00:46.52 | bastian_ | is there a big difference? |
| 00:47.09 | edistar | qemu would take gta01 images I suppose |
| 00:47.32 | seg|ars | I'm just trying to get an environment for testing applications |
| 00:47.41 | seg|ars | I'm not having much luck |
| 00:47.51 | bastian_ | i just finished building one for 01 (cause i forgot to change to 02) |
| 00:48.04 | bastian_ | if you like, i could give you that |
| 00:48.26 | seg|ars | ok |
| 00:48.42 | edistar | qemu development usually lags behind.. |
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| 00:49.00 | seg|ars | right now, this is pretty much all I can get working: http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/9618/screenshot22gt3.png |
| 00:49.04 | edistar | and now nearly everyone interested will have a gta02, why bother |
| 00:49.06 | seg|ars | it doesn't seem to do much of anything else |
| 00:49.38 | edistar | seg|ars: lol, that doesn't look like ASU at all ;) |
| 00:49.43 | seg|ars | bloody hell |
| 00:49.45 | seg|ars | haha |
| 00:49.50 | edistar | must be a really old image |
| 00:50.18 | seg|ars | do you have any suggestions on what I can do to get something that works and is current? |
| 00:51.02 | bastian_ | k, how do you want to get it? |
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| 00:51.37 | seg|ars | bastian_: you have a more recent image I could try with qemu? |
| 00:51.50 | bastian_ | i didn't try it |
| 00:52.20 | edistar | buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 00:52.23 | bastian_ | and i'm honest, i didn't flash a qemu |
| 00:52.35 | bastian_ | i just flashed the fr about 4 times |
| 00:52.49 | seg|ars | ah |
| 00:52.49 | bastian_ | is there a difference? |
| 00:52.50 | Dave | :D |
| 00:53.12 | edistar | seg|ars: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080703/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080703-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 00:53.15 | edistar | try that one |
| 00:53.17 | Dave | Does a cat wear pajamas? |
| 00:53.23 | edistar | that's the newest ASU image |
| 00:53.28 | seg|ars | edistar: thanks |
| 00:54.06 | edistar | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080702/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080702-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 00:54.11 | edistar | that's the latest for gta01 |
| 00:54.14 | edistar | try both |
| 00:54.18 | edistar | maybe you're lucky |
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| 00:55.37 | bastian_ | are the images in http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080704/ for milestone1? |
| 00:56.09 | edistar | bastian_: milestone1 is FSO, that's something different |
| 00:58.55 | paulproteus | The FSO hangs for me on my GTA01. |
| 00:59.03 | paulproteus | It is sitting at "Please wait...". |
| 00:59.13 | paulproteus | I did reboot once, as suggested on the page, to no avail. |
| 01:00.37 | paulproteus | I can SSH in, though. |
| 01:00.45 | Dave | icky, qtopia hybrid :x |
| 01:01.15 | Dave | Muwahahaha, signal strength = bangin. |
| 01:01.40 | benlake | what is the boot speed of a gta02? |
| 01:01.40 | raster | bangs |
| 01:01.45 | Dave | :D |
| 01:01.49 | raster | benlake: SCHLOOOOOOW |
| 01:01.53 | Dave | benlake, rather quick. |
| 01:01.57 | Dave | on the device that is :P |
| 01:02.01 | paulproteus | Dave vs. raster: FIGHT! |
| 01:02.05 | Dave | BEGIN! |
| 01:02.05 | raster | hahaha |
| 01:02.06 | benlake | :P |
| 01:02.08 | Dave | ROUND 1 |
| 01:02.11 | raster | it takes forever to boot |
| 01:02.24 | Dave | raster, would you like some cheese to go with your whine? |
| 01:02.35 | benlake | likes cheese |
| 01:02.37 | Dave | :P |
| 01:02.53 | Dave | go go gadget gprs! |
| 01:02.55 | Dave | whee |
| 01:02.59 | raster | Dave: its true |
| 01:03.04 | raster | not a whine |
| 01:03.08 | raster | answer to a question |
| 01:03.11 | Dave | Yeah yeah :) |
| 01:03.18 | paulproteus | If the "SDIO Helper" is in state D, is this something to worry about? |
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| 01:03.30 | Dave | I thought it was slow, but then I was informed how similarly slow similar smartphones take :P |
| 01:03.41 | Dave | Yeah it does take a while though :) |
| 01:03.56 | benlake | that's a shame |
| 01:03.58 | Dave | NEEDZ MOAR COREZ! |
| 01:04.17 | paulproteus | (I'm currently waiting forever for the FSO milestone 1 to boot.) |
| 01:04.26 | Dave | You require additional pylons. |
| 01:04.28 | raster | my motorola roker e16 - qt/e + linux takes about 20 seconds to boot to full usable gui |
| 01:04.39 | gmaxwell | I apologized about the boot time to people I was showing the GTA01 to and was told their phones took longer.. and I realized that my bberry did too, a lot longer when coming from a cold boot. |
| 01:04.39 | Dave | Nice. |
| 01:04.55 | Dave | right |
| 01:04.57 | Dave | N95 |
| 01:05.01 | benlake | oh well, then maybe it is not too much of a shame |
| 01:05.20 | raster | and freerunner takes about 140 seconds |
| 01:05.22 | raster | to do the same |
| 01:05.31 | gmaxwell | Then again.. with working power management I only see my bberry boot once a month or so after it acts weird and I pull the battery. |
| 01:05.33 | Dave | Yikes :p |
| 01:05.46 | Dave | Freerunner boots you! |
| 01:05.56 | Dave | haha, stupid boots... ~_~ |
| 01:06.02 | benlake | so power management is sketchy? |
| 01:06.09 | Dave | It's still coming along :) |
| 01:06.14 | raster | with working power management u shouldnt need to boot often |
| 01:06.16 | Dave | like EVERYTHING ELSE. |
| 01:06.17 | raster | nless u fly a lot |
| 01:06.19 | benlake | how about this, in normal use how often does one need to cold boot? :) |
| 01:06.23 | gmaxwell | benlake Well gta01 is pretty much a lost cause. |
| 01:06.23 | raster | \then it will piss u off |
| 01:06.37 | Dave | benlake: at most once or twice a day? |
| 01:06.38 | gmaxwell | raster, the bberry "off" is not at all the same as pulling the battery.. |
| 01:06.42 | kelvie_ | in comparison.. my iPod Touch takes 30-40 seconds to boot at least :/ |
| 01:06.43 | Dave | or never. |
| 01:06.43 | Dave | :D |
| 01:06.44 | benlake | awe :( |
| 01:06.47 | kelvie_ | sometimes longer |
| 01:06.54 | Dave | Hello Kelvie |
| 01:06.56 | gmaxwell | bberry is up in about 30 seconds .. but if you pull the battery you're looking at 3-4 minutes. |
| 01:07.08 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r9cbbcf928621 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: ogpsd: Initial support for parsing UBX packets |
| 01:07.10 | benlake | 30 seconds from warm? |
| 01:07.35 | raster | gmaxwell: dont care about the blackberry. i care about the freerunner |
| 01:07.36 | raster | :) |
| 01:07.47 | raster | and comparing a blackberry with a com[pletely different os and hardware |
| 01:07.58 | Dave | Is totally logical... :P |
| 01:08.02 | Dave | *smirks* |
| 01:08.02 | raster | and then a slower bit of hw using linux vis another faster on using linux... |
| 01:08.03 | raster | :) |
| 01:08.04 | paulproteus | "Please wait..." I'm told by my GTA01 running FSO milestone 1. |
| 01:08.10 | Dave | yup |
| 01:08.12 | raster | we should be able to boot in 20 seconds or less |
| 01:08.14 | Dave | It's booting. |
| 01:08.17 | raster | a full boot |
| 01:08.18 | benlake | that's like not comparing a panzer to an abrams raster :P |
| 01:08.18 | Dave | BRACE YOURSELF! |
| 01:08.21 | raster | i'd aim for 10 seconds |
| 01:08.24 | Dave | haha |
| 01:08.28 | paulproteus | It's been booting for 6m. |
| 01:08.35 | paulproteus | Nothing's in top except top and dropbear. |
| 01:08.35 | edistar | raster: cold boot? |
| 01:08.41 | gmaxwell | paulproteus, 6 minutes? You're hosed. ;) |
| 01:08.46 | raster | edistar: is there any other kind of boot? |
| 01:08.51 | raster | theres boot |
| 01:08.54 | raster | there is unuspend |
| 01:08.59 | benlake | the comparison is on the outcome, a smart phone vs a smartphone... a tank vs. a tank :P |
| 01:09.02 | raster | there is "it wasnt even shut down" |
| 01:09.09 | edistar | raster: yeah.. just wondering, 10 sec is very optimistic |
| 01:09.10 | benlake | whether it is made of cheese or steel! |
| 01:09.18 | edistar | raster: you'd have to make everything static |
| 01:09.18 | Dave | The moooooooon! |
| 01:09.20 | paulproteus | gmaxwell, Yeah, I can re-flash it, but I just flashed it, got here, waiting two minutes, rebooted, and got here again. |
| 01:09.31 | raster | edistar: not at all. i've got linux to boot to X11 with opengl running in 1.6 seconds |
| 01:09.38 | edistar | woot? |
| 01:09.39 | Dave | gawd |
| 01:09.42 | raster | admittedly a laptop |
| 01:09.46 | raster | but it can be done |
| 01:09.47 | gmaxwell | paulproteus, I got stuck in that state once and couldn't get it working again until I did a flash erase. |
| 01:09.54 | paulproteus | gmaxwell, Great, I'll flash erase. |
| 01:09.54 | Dave | I'd hate to see a riced-out FR. |
| 01:09.56 | Dave | :P |
| 01:09.59 | paulproteus | Thanks for the tip! |
| 01:10.03 | Dave | oh yeah, that GTA01 bug? |
| 01:10.06 | raster | edistar: no - no need to make everything static |
| 01:10.15 | gmaxwell | paulproteus, hope it solves it for you.. I think I wasted 6 hours on it once. ;) |
| 01:10.23 | raster | just stop doing everything AT boot |
| 01:10.30 | raster | defer stuff to "on demand" |
| 01:10.31 | raster | or later |
| 01:10.41 | raster | eg dont probe the wifi device before starting init |
| 01:10.45 | raster | do it later when u need wifi |
| 01:10.49 | raster | i emake wifi a module |
| 01:10.51 | gmaxwell | raster, then it can be like windows.. GUI up soon, but everything busted and chugging hard for the next 5 minutes. ;) |
| 01:10.53 | raster | same with bluetooth |
| 01:10.57 | raster | same with basically everything |
| 01:11.10 | raster | gmaxwell: no. it doesnt |
| 01:11.28 | raster | if u have ever dug into the glorious mess that is sysvinit that linux uses |
| 01:11.34 | raster | u'd begin to know why it is so slow |
| 01:11.38 | raster | its not optimised |
| 01:11.40 | raster | streamlines |
| 01:11.44 | seg|ars | edistar: thanks for the image link. I have something that actually works now! :-D |
| 01:11.44 | raster | nor is it dependency-based |
| 01:11.46 | gmaxwell | raster, because its all freeking sequential for one.. |
| 01:11.46 | seg|ars | VICTORY |
| 01:11.47 | raster | nor "on demand" |
| 01:11.51 | edistar | seg|ars: cool |
| 01:11.57 | raster | sqeuential is part of it |
| 01:11.59 | Dave | Huzzah! |
| 01:12.04 | raster | the other is nasty arse shell scripts |
| 01:12.08 | Dave | Victory? So, I defeated raster? :P |
| 01:12.12 | raster | doing lots of logic in shell by listing directories |
| 01:12.16 | raster | touchign files |
| 01:12.20 | raster | and so on is just wrong |
| 01:12.23 | Dave | yeah you'd like that :p |
| 01:12.31 | Dave | laughs |
| 01:12.43 | edistar | you want to make the boot process use eet? ;) |
| 01:12.45 | raster | too much is done on boot that can just be done later too |
| 01:12.48 | mwester | selinux stinks, and that slows everything down, especially boot. |
| 01:12.55 | raster | edistar: did i say that? |
| 01:13.01 | raster | why would i want it to use eet? |
| 01:13.02 | edistar | raster: no |
| 01:13.08 | mwester | but just wait, SOMEBODY will want to put selinux on the FR. |
| 01:13.12 | raster | what is the logical connection there? |
| 01:13.13 | gmaxwell | mwester, you know you want an EAL4 CELL PHONE. ;) |
| 01:13.20 | edistar | raster: messed things up, sry |
| 01:13.39 | seg|ars | ok, here is what I have now: http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1438/screenshot23en5.png does that even remotely resemble what ships on the phone? |
| 01:14.09 | raster | seg|ars: thats ASU |
| 01:14.10 | edistar | seg|ars: that's ASU alright |
| 01:14.12 | raster | it doesnt ship yet |
| 01:14.16 | seg|ars | ok |
| 01:14.18 | edistar | seg|ars: gut the phone ships with gtk image |
| 01:14.24 | mwester | Does it work, though? |
| 01:14.33 | seg|ars | the freerunner ships with the gtk image? |
| 01:14.37 | gmaxwell | Whats ASU? (I tuned out for the last few months) where can I read about it? |
| 01:14.54 | edistar | seg|ars: yes, it was to late to change |
| 01:14.55 | mwester | ~asu |
| 01:14.58 | seg|ars | oh |
| 01:15.22 | edistar | gmaxwell: check mickeyls blog |
| 01:15.24 | seg|ars | so when does the asu get rolled out to users? |
| 01:15.26 | mwester | (useless bot - has lots to say, but when you need an easy definition, of course it lacks it) |
| 01:15.31 | edistar | seg|ars: you can get it now |
| 01:15.50 | mwester | ~faq |
| 01:15.51 | apt | hmm... faq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_FAQ |
| 01:15.54 | seg|ars | ok, so the phone comes with the gtk stuff and users can choose to update to the ASU? |
| 01:16.08 | edistar | seg|ars: yes |
| 01:16.50 | paulproteus | gmaxwell, http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ explains it all. |
| 01:16.57 | paulproteus | And feel free to bug me off-channel about things too. |
| 01:17.06 | seg|ars | ok so is it usable at all with the gtk stack |
| 01:17.14 | seg|ars | or will users have to update to asu if they want to use it as a phone? |
| 01:17.31 | edistar | seg|ars: you can phone with all current images |
| 01:17.48 | kelvie_ | do they all have working address books as well? |
| 01:17.48 | seg|ars | does sms work etc? |
| 01:17.52 | kelvie_ | or phone books, rather |
| 01:18.00 | gmaxwell | ohh.. qtopia ported to x11? spiffy |
| 01:18.13 | mwester | and unstable. :) |
| 01:18.15 | paulproteus | Yup. One day the backend of it might get retargeted to FSO. |
| 01:18.34 | paulproteus | gmaxwell, You have a GTA01? What (if anything) are you running on it? |
| 01:19.27 | gmaxwell | Every month or two I update it to whatever the latest OM gtk image is .. use it for a bit.. then when the battery inevitably ends up so dead that charging it is a pain I forget about it for a while. :) |
| 01:19.42 | paulproteus | Ah, right, that issue. (-: |
| 01:19.54 | paulproteus | I wonder if FreeRunner is better about that. |
| 01:20.20 | gmaxwell | paulproteus, I think thats 'solved' due to the AC adaptor which I presume always high current charges. |
| 01:22.30 | paulproteus | nods |
| 01:22.49 | paulproteus | Okay, nand erased for rootfs & kernel, re-flashed; reboot! |
| 01:23.02 | gmaxwell | paulproteus, good luck! |
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| 01:24.28 | paulproteus | gmaxwell, Maybe I'll see you when I come visit DC in a week and a half. (-: |
| 01:24.43 | paulproteus | Please Wait...s |
| 01:24.49 | paulproteus | OMG YES |
| 01:24.51 | gmaxwell | hehe |
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| 01:25.03 | gmaxwell | paulproteus, now don't you feel silly sitting at that screen for 6 minutes? |
| 01:25.05 | paulproteus | "no dbus" at the top-right, it tellsme |
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| 01:26.18 | Dave | :P |
| 01:26.42 | edistar | paulproteus: boot again |
| 01:26.47 | paulproteus | Will do. |
| 01:26.53 | paulproteus | Is there a way to reboot from FSO? |
| 01:26.58 | paulproteus | Gracefully, without SSH, I mean. |
| 01:27.04 | edistar | paulproteus: yeah, take out the battery |
| 01:27.08 | paulproteus | Zing. |
| 01:27.22 | edistar | paulproteus: that's what mickeyl told me to do :) and he should know, he wrote it ;) |
| 01:28.03 | paulproteus | sshs in |
| 01:28.19 | ieatlint | anyone know off hand about how long it takes to charge the battery from a 500ma source? |
| 01:28.30 | edistar | ieatlint: I guess ca 3h |
| 01:29.10 | ieatlint | know if it can run off external power only? (eg, so as to hotswap the battery) |
| 01:29.23 | paulproteus | External power only doesn't seem to work on GTA01. |
| 01:30.10 | paulproteus | please waits again |
| 01:30.28 | paulproteus | SIM PIN? |
| 01:30.31 | paulproteus | The SIM has no PIN. |
| 01:30.39 | ieatlint | hehe, well, should all be fun to deal with... i'm pretty used to things working half-assed with a vague promise of it getting better :) |
| 01:31.09 | paulproteus | re-reboots |
| 01:31.24 | paulproteus | This time not by SSH, but by the mickeyl method. |
| 01:33.11 | paulproteus | SIM PIN? now. |
| 01:33.13 | paulproteus | Hmmph. |
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| 01:36.15 | paulproteus | Same question with a different (also pinless) SIM. |
| 01:38.30 | paulproteus | Oh, huh, after I cancelled it, the question went away. |
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| 01:38.37 | paulproteus | Maybe it just asks that during network registration. |
| 01:38.51 | paulproteus | FSO is in fact bare-bones. I now believe how bare-bones I've been told it is. |
| 01:39.01 | gmaxwell | paulproteus, yea, thats what I think I did with mine.. it stops asking you.. |
| 01:40.02 | paulproteus | Humorously hanging up doesn't work. |
| 01:40.30 | paulproteus | Still, not a bad show for a couple month's work! |
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| 01:48.01 | paulproteus | wurp2|away, ferric, I'd like to talk with you about http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 01:52.21 | mwester | (uh-oh, wurp2|away is in trouble!) |
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| 01:57.08 | nezza-_- | anybody an idea why bluetooth keyboards aren't working on openmoko in debian? |
| 01:57.29 | nezza-_- | on the console the keyboard runs, but some keys are not recognized (e as example) |
| 01:58.07 | nezza-_- | on the xserver _nothing_ happens, even if i create an inputdevice (keyboard with kbd driver) and add it to the server layout.. |
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| 02:14.01 | Gnutoo | hello, here it is said that the usb host is 500mA http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner and here it is said that it works at 100 mA http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/IPhone |
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| 02:28.56 | alphabeat | anyone here from australia? |
| 02:29.51 | dvarnes | alphabeat, a few .. :-) |
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| 02:30.59 | alphabeat | you in on the aus-wide group purchase? |
| 02:31.54 | linuxxr | i guess i blew me purchace |
| 02:33.39 | dvarnes | alphabeat, nope .. is there a link? |
| 02:36.05 | wurp2|away | paulproteus, gmaxwell: Maybe you should install http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CheckFastCharge-script |
| 02:37.30 | paulproteus | wurp2|away, Cool, but I'd rather talk about the old-apps-on-FSO project. (-: |
| 02:37.53 | paulproteus | I wonder if we can easily package this for opkg. |
| 02:38.04 | wurp2|away | paulproteus: Sounds good. Sorry, I wsa reading the backlog. |
| 02:38.10 | paulproteus | No prob! |
| 02:39.07 | wurp2|away | I kept asking mickey why someone wasn't doing this (SHR) |
| 02:39.37 | paulproteus | His answer was, everyone else is too busy? |
| 02:39.44 | wurp2|away | And he said someone should, and pointed out that you could just build a phonekit-to-ophoned adapter, so finally today I got off my duff and started it |
| 02:40.02 | wurp2|away | Yeah, I knew he & his little group was too busy |
| 02:40.28 | wurp2|away | But I thought someone from OM could take the relatively small amount of time it *seems* like it should take |
| 02:40.29 | paulproteus | nods and listens |
| 02:40.43 | wurp2|away | But, hey, if you want something done... |
| 02:41.17 | wurp2|away | So I'm not sure I have much more to say that isn't on the wiki |
| 02:41.30 | wurp2|away | IMO the first step is to get a good FSO image running from our repo |
| 02:41.33 | roh | hey guys |
| 02:41.39 | paulproteus | Hey now roh. |
| 02:41.42 | mwester | hides |
| 02:42.01 | nezza-_- | hey roh |
| 02:42.05 | wurp2|away | Then build a phonekit stub that openmoko2-dialer (or whatever the name is) can pretend to connect to |
| 02:42.06 | paulproteus | wurp2|away, I agree - the first thing to do is just cone the current branch and have a repeatable build system. |
| 02:42.08 | wurp2|away | Hi roh |
| 02:42.11 | roh | about your project... i think youre overshooting the goal by soundling like 'we need to fork' |
| 02:42.29 | paulproteus | I see it more as a branch than a fork. But can you explain what you mean? |
| 02:42.32 | roh | but i see your goal and like it. |
| 02:42.45 | wurp2 | roh: If we can get away without it, that would be great. I want to minimize what we're doing |
| 02:42.51 | paulproteus | Hopefully, as FSO people get interested in this, our branch would get rebased and disappears into FSO. |
| 02:42.59 | roh | eventually you should just do it where the main fun happens. in the repos we have. here is what i suggest: |
| 02:42.59 | mwester | thinks the community needs commit rights, whatever you call it (fork or whatever) |
| 02:43.09 | wurp2 | I fished around for suggestions of how we could go about just labelling, or just branching specific files, but got no feel-good answers |
| 02:43.18 | wurp2 | listens. |
| 02:43.31 | roh | you start hacking and coding, and i will see that there is a milestone in trac, where you can organize tickets in |
| 02:43.48 | paulproteus | roh, in the fso trac? I'm sold. |
| 02:43.56 | roh | also about commit-rights.. thats quite easy. currently 2007.2 is basically unmaintained |
| 02:44.22 | paulproteus | So any development would really be the only branch, anyway? (-: |
| 02:44.23 | roh | paulproteus i dunno for sure. |
| 02:44.28 | paulproteus | Sure, but basically. |
| 02:45.41 | roh | the point is: we are currently thinking about reorganizing the buildprocess anyways.. so i would say we should a) see to get less distro-trees b) have a branch where the man with the hat for the branch commits stuff to. |
| 02:46.04 | wurp2 | roh: Just to make sure I understand: are you suggesting we commit to the 2007.2 tree? |
| 02:46.14 | paulproteus | That's in svn, right? |
| 02:46.22 | wurp2 | or I can just keep listening until you're done with your point :-) |
| 02:46.28 | roh | but the main point is: 2007.2 apps are in the main svn, but unmaintained. if somebody steps up and basically claims maintainership by doing real work i see not why we should hinder that. |
| 02:47.01 | roh | my only concern about that all is: i do not see reason for 'forking' or cluttering stuff even more than it currently is. |
| 02:47.17 | paulproteus | Okay, I can agree with that. |
| 02:47.25 | jeffszusz | tries to make sense of the convo |
| 02:47.25 | roh | on the contrary, we need to get better oversight. and thats not what happens by using more different repos |
| 02:47.26 | wurp2 | roh: Sounds great! |
| 02:47.42 | paulproteus | Now as far as build process, we'd still use the git OE repos and improve the bitbake files there? |
| 02:47.44 | mwester | notes that he currently has a rather poor attitude about OM branches and commits, and steps out of the conversation. :( |
| 02:47.48 | nullpuppy | ok. finally home, now to try and put together a build environment ;) |
| 02:47.57 | paulproteus | We'd just make our own branch in that central OM git repo? |
| 02:47.57 | roh | i dunno for sure, but atm i think we do a daily build of gta01 and gta02 org.openmoko.dev |
| 02:48.06 | roh | the asu branch as well.. |
| 02:48.11 | jeffszusz | didn't know there were forks/branches in OM |
| 02:48.13 | wurp2 | So what do we do to get permission to check stuff into 2007.2? |
| 02:48.21 | roh | but i dunno who even uses these image (non-asu, old gtk based) or if they work at all. |
| 02:48.28 | paulproteus | Right. |
| 02:48.44 | alphabeat | dvarnes: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Group_Sales_Australia |
| 02:48.54 | wurp2 | roh: They didn't work 3 weeks ago, then about 2 weeks ago someone said they (mostly) worked, but I dunno that they're maintained at all, as you say |
| 02:49.03 | roh | wurp2 submit patches. i mean.. the recipe for the 2007.11 stuff should have a fixed svnrev, so even if you would break it it should even have the old states. |
| 02:49.09 | wurp2 | s/They/2007.2/ |
| 02:50.04 | roh | so i suggest: start hacking, start mailing patches.. i see that we clear up the repo as well as buildhost-situation. |
| 02:50.06 | dvarnes | alphabeat, yep .. already sent message to simon mathews with inquiry |
| 02:50.28 | wurp2 | roh: OK, I'm very familiar with svn, and I have some experience with darcs and a knowledge of arch (RCSs like git) |
| 02:50.37 | wurp2 | But I dunno how we would work off an svn tree |
| 02:50.41 | paulproteus | wurp2, IMHO we should use a git-svn repository to work on our patches then. |
| 02:50.42 | wurp2 | and easily share changes with one another |
| 02:50.49 | paulproteus | That is quite feasible. |
| 02:50.56 | roh | its a 2-part story.. one part is basic distribution-building work (means should happen in a branch or head on git) |
| 02:50.59 | paulproteus | Another thing is to try quilt. |
| 02:51.00 | wurp2 | then submit patches once we're happy to whoever to merge into main tree |
| 02:51.12 | paulproteus | I have to run in a minute, I'm very sorry to say! |
| 02:51.13 | roh | the other part is porting and changing applications, which should happen where the app lives. |
| 02:51.16 | wurp2 | roh: Ah, I'm familiar with how to do it (basically) in git |
| 02:51.29 | paulproteus | roh, Yes, re: distribution work: would we get a branch in the main OM git then? |
| 02:51.35 | paulproteus | That would be fantastic. |
| 02:51.51 | paulproteus | And I *really* appreciate you stepping in here. |
| 02:51.56 | roh | i think that it would be the best way to do this. |
| 02:52.12 | alphabeat | dvarnes: might be a little late. i think he bought a few as overhead so you might be lucky :) we bought 60 but only needed 53 or something |
| 02:52.27 | wurp2 | OK, I saw svn sneak in there for a bit, now we're talking about git again... which parts are git and which are svn? |
| 02:52.34 | paulproteus | svn for apps; git for OE work |
| 02:53.15 | wurp2 | paulproteus: And you said quilt is a tool to help us share changes in our group, then create patches to submit to the main svn? |
| 02:53.15 | paulproteus | Email patches for apps, and get them in a state to use the FSO backend that way, sharing work between us before they're ready for submission using git-svn. |
| 02:53.16 | paulproteus | git for OE work - we'd get a branch in the OM git. |
| 02:53.16 | paulproteus | That's what I understand. |
| 02:53.26 | paulproteus | wurp2, Yes, quilt is an alternative to git-svn in this workflow. |
| 02:53.28 | Dave | We meet again, Mr. Wurp. |
| 02:53.38 | wurp2 | wurp2: Ah, I think I prefer git-svn |
| 02:53.41 | paulproteus | I think so too. |
| 02:53.41 | wurp2 | Dave: howdy |
| 02:53.52 | Dave | Howdy ya'll |
| 02:54.06 | wurp2 | So we work in git, get it how we like it, then we create a patch |
| 02:54.14 | wurp2 | keeping our git in sync w/ svn via git-svn |
| 02:54.25 | roh | wurp2 ? |
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| 02:54.29 | wurp2 | (er, and we submit the patch back to the svn owner, of course) |
| 02:54.29 | Dave | yep yep :) |
| 02:54.45 | wurp2 | roh: Did I drift into crazy talk? |
| 02:55.04 | roh | i do not care how you branch/merge on your machine, but my point is that the app itself currently resides in svn.. and the distro which is 'one layer above' is in git |
| 02:55.10 | jeffszusz | pulls out his cardboard Freerunner and pretends to talk on it |
| 02:55.26 | wurp2 | roh: I think I understood that |
| 02:55.31 | Dave | Is this not self-evident enough from the repositories themselves? |
| 02:55.44 | Dave | jeffszusz: whoa, cool man, where can I get one? :D |
| 02:55.46 | roh | Dave since we have loads of them, sadly not all the time. |
| 02:55.53 | wurp2 | roh: And dealing with the distro seems straightforward; we create a git repo that is a "child"(branch) of the main repo |
| 02:55.57 | Dave | Yeah, I noticed that too, roh :) |
| 02:56.04 | paulproteus | I have to run in 30-60s (-: |
| 02:56.04 | wurp2 | and can submit changes back |
| 02:56.11 | wurp2 | paulproteus: bye :-( |
| 02:56.15 | SpeedEvil | How long are confirmation emails taking to get sent out? |
| 02:56.19 | Dave | Even occasionally, and if it weren't for tagging, I'd mistake one for another frequently :) |
| 02:56.24 | jeffszusz | Dave: print, cut, paste! |
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| 02:56.31 | paulproteus | wurp2, Right - we'll commit to a branch in OM git, and then we can ask the other branches to merge or cherry-pick our changes. |
| 02:56.33 | roh | also most projects are just about apps and not about 'lets build a device.. and while were at it write drivers for it.. ah.. and bootloaders.. and apps.-. and then package it in a linux-distri |
| 02:56.35 | SpeedEvil | Someone not had one after 3.5 hours. Is that overly delayed? |
| 02:56.47 | Dave | heh, true enough :) |
| 02:56.59 | wurp2 | roh: But for apps, it seems that we need some way to share changes amongst ourselves w/o waiting for the patch to get accepted into the mainline, or even in some cases when we have things that aren't quite complete, that need another team member to finish |
| 02:56.59 | alphabeat | jeffzusz: did you print out the CAD file and make your own phone out of cardboard too? |
| 02:57.31 | roh | wurp2 for testing they could be applied in the distro dev branch. |
| 02:57.33 | jeffszusz | alphabeat: nope, but i'm tempted |
| 02:57.33 | dvarnes | alphabeat, yep .. understood .. I had looked a couple of times at the Group page, but the Aus one is not linked, so missed it. Not urgent since I already have a Neo :-) Still, am plannig to order a FR .. |
| 02:57.54 | Dave | Oh, I should write that report to the ml now. |
| 02:58.01 | wurp2 | roh: So we were suggesting a SHR specific git repo, that would drift a bit from the app's svn until we get small changesets complete, then we would create patches |
| 02:58.05 | paulproteus | You guys, please store the results of this discussion on that wiki page. |
| 02:58.05 | paulproteus | Bye! |
| 02:58.13 | roh | i guess it would start with a -dev only branch.. if that then takes 'form' make it a stable one and branch the new --dev |
| 02:58.15 | wurp2 | and keep our git repo in sync w/ the app repo via svn-git |
| 02:58.21 | roh | (the distro) |
| 02:58.43 | digitalslave | <would be happy just to get the emulator to compile blac |
| 02:58.44 | jeffszusz | is realizing how little he knows about the progress of OpenMoko |
| 02:58.46 | wurp2 | OK |
| 02:58.57 | roh | testing patches is in -dev as patch in oe.. then merge it into the repo (work with minrev and maxrev in the recipes) |
| 02:59.04 | wurp2 | I'm hoping that our actual changes are fairly minimal |
| 02:59.48 | roh | i guess so. even then.. really.. nobody would want to hinder future maintainers of apps to evolve ;) |
| 02:59.57 | wurp2 | A replacement for phonekit that delegates to ophoned, and a recipe to pull in compatible versions of all the basic apps |
| 02:59.59 | digitalslave | cd .. |
| 02:59.59 | digitalslave | ls |
| 03:00.06 | alphabeat | dvarnes: it looks like he ordered 60 with 52 phones confirmed and payed for and 6 phones unconfirmed which leaves 2 spare. might be lucky hey? ps jealous of buying a neo1973. should have got one :P |
| 03:00.13 | wurp2 | digitalslave: Wrong window? |
| 03:00.27 | digitalslave | haha yep damn track pad heh |
| 03:00.48 | wurp2 | digitalslave: At least it wasn't your root password |
| 03:01.06 | jeffszusz | wurp2: i did that before |
| 03:01.11 | digitalslave | hahaha |
| 03:01.21 | alphabeat | wurp2|jeffszusz: yah me too xD |
| 03:01.31 | wurp2 | roh: I'll have to learn some more more before your -dev and --dev and minrev/maxrev stuff make sense to me :-) |
| 03:01.34 | digitalslave | i like reading all the logs at work from everyone putting there password in for their username :) |
| 03:01.38 | jeffszusz | i was due for a new password anyway... but i was lucky nobody used it before i had a chance to change it |
| 03:01.39 | jeffszusz | heh |
| 03:01.45 | wurp2 | alphabeat, jeffszusz: :-( |
| 03:01.50 | alphabeat | digitalslave: you're evil! i like that |
| 03:02.11 | wurp2 | It's also amazing what you'll see on a nic in promiscuous mode |
| 03:02.21 | digitalslave | haha true that! |
| 03:02.28 | roh | wurp2 in oe recipes one can define max, min or ranges thus of revisions which patches get applied. |
| 03:02.30 | wurp2 | Like people's pwds on all the sites that didn't know enough to use https for login form submission |
| 03:03.04 | roh | wurp2 so if the patch which gets applied is merged, one sets the maxrev to one version below or so (atleast thats how i got it) |
| 03:03.14 | wurp2 | roh: I see |
| 03:04.45 | wurp2 | roh: How do we submit patches? openmoko-devel? Or is there a list of private email addys? |
| 03:05.08 | roh | yeah.. just the list |
| 03:05.16 | roh | or if you think it makes sense we |
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| 03:05.31 | roh | eh we can add a milestone and you add them as attachment to tickets |
| 03:06.06 | wurp2 | roh: That could work too... it seems like it would feel more reliable |
| 03:06.22 | wurp2 | roh: As in, we can see a comment on the ticket that says submitted, and don't have to search email logs for it |
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| 03:06.34 | roh | well.. its only how the 'group' of developers plans its workflow |
| 03:07.01 | wurp2 | roh: Is there any material I can read to get some clues about this? |
| 03:07.20 | roh | eh.. which part |
| 03:07.31 | wurp2 | Whichever parts have docs :-) |
| 03:07.43 | roh | ehehe |
| 03:08.01 | roh | well.. trac is easy.. it has documentation |
| 03:08.03 | wurp2 | bitbake, how you're using milestones, what the procedure has been to submit patches in the past |
| 03:08.12 | wurp2 | OK |
| 03:08.21 | wurp2 | I've had "read up on trac" in my todo for a long time |
| 03:08.26 | wurp2 | Now I guess I'll actually do it |
| 03:08.37 | roh | submitting patches... eh.. well..the opensource-default.. send by mail, do not mangle long lines ;) |
| 03:08.45 | roh | use diff -u eh svn diff -u |
| 03:09.09 | wurp2 | Yeah, for that I was more concerned with internal procedures |
| 03:09.33 | wurp2 | But I'm not even sure what the questoins are right now, so I'll just try it the way that seems obvious the first time |
| 03:09.34 | Dave | i.e. how the cabal performs its rituals ;) |
| 03:09.37 | wurp2 | And get corrected |
| 03:09.44 | wurp2 | Dave: exactly |
| 03:09.48 | wurp2 | tribal knowledge |
| 03:09.52 | Dave | :) |
| 03:10.11 | Dave | Every tribe is different ;) |
| 03:10.23 | roh | wurp2 i think currently we are happy if people can code and submit good patches.. one easily looks over process minors then |
| 03:10.45 | Dave | That sounds encouraging. |
| 03:10.48 | wurp2 | Well, I can code & submit patches |
| 03:10.58 | wurp2 | We'll see if you conclude they are good or not ;-) |
| 03:11.27 | Dave | We'll see if you get voted off the island or not. ;) |
| 03:12.12 | wurp2 | OK, 2007.2 is OM distro, right? Not apps, mostly? |
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| 03:12.31 | wurp2 | and 2007.2 is a git branch, yes? |
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| 03:17.46 | roh | 2007.2 is a set of apps om did |
| 03:18.59 | wurp2 | roh: OK |
| 03:19.05 | gmaxwell | has anyone submitted a /. story now that the FR is actually available? |
| 03:19.17 | ewon | hmmm, android running natively on certain HTC devices |
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| 03:19.24 | ewon | including my Kaiser \o/ |
| 03:19.58 | Dave | Heil? |
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| 03:22.00 | alphabeat | gmaxwell: maybe you should ! think of the karma! wait is that how /. works? |
| 03:22.10 | Dave | oy |
| 03:22.18 | Dave | Who really cares? |
| 03:22.40 | alphabeat | Me! The more sales the more funding they have to build more awesomer phones |
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| 03:23.01 | Dave | more awesomer? |
| 03:23.21 | Dave | and let me guess, the freerunner is more funner, too? |
| 03:23.29 | alphabeat | yup! ;) you know, stuff like multi-touch, better graphics |
| 03:23.31 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 03:23.49 | alphabeat | the freerunner is off the funtastic scale |
| 03:23.54 | josch | alphabeat, dont push this better graphics thingy |
| 03:23.57 | Dave | hah |
| 03:24.04 | Dave | oh, yeah :p |
| 03:24.05 | josch | they will interpret it as: you want qvga |
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| 03:24.43 | Dave | Needs more cores? |
| 03:25.22 | alphabeat | josch: i don't want to start another vga discussion so i'll refrain ;) |
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| 03:25.40 | wurp2 | I'm pretty happy with the gfx hw |
| 03:25.46 | wurp2 | I would like to have a bigger screen :-/ |
| 03:26.19 | josch | i would like.... |
| 03:26.21 | Dave | or like the communication devices in EFC... |
| 03:26.38 | josch | SXGA on 2.8" XD |
| 03:26.40 | Dave | you click it and the side extends and a flexible display screen extends outward, providing a bigger display :D |
| 03:27.17 | digitalslave | and youre really gonna use that when? |
| 03:27.40 | Dave | come on, it's more awesomer, right? :p |
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| 03:28.10 | digitalslave | na thats when i sit on the couch with to comp hooked to the big screen on the wall ;) |
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| 03:28.29 | Dave | oh, hot |
| 03:28.43 | Dave | haha |
| 03:28.56 | digitalslave | if i need a bigger screen to work with im more than likely doing real work and the keyboard on the phone most likely wont get it all done |
| 03:29.09 | Dave | right :P |
| 03:29.32 | digitalslave | but still cool heh |
| 03:29.41 | Dave | Indeedy weedy! |
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| 03:30.10 | digitalslave | i just see all the morons pulling out the extra screens walking down the street so people will notice them with this glowing ribbon of web ads haha |
| 03:30.13 | wurp2 | digitalslave: That's why you need to always carry a fold-up bt kbd in your pocket |
| 03:30.32 | digitalslave | my phone has a full keyboard already :) |
| 03:32.15 | Dave | :D |
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| 03:35.49 | ljp | has a phone without a screen |
| 03:35.58 | russellb | O.o |
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| 03:36.13 | Dave | is jealous |
| 03:36.36 | russellb | i guess I do too ... if you count a console based VoIP softphone ... |
| 03:36.47 | Dave | pfft |
| 03:36.51 | russellb | :-/ |
| 03:37.01 | Dave | you and your modern technology |
| 03:37.10 | russellb | i also have some cans and string available. |
| 03:37.15 | Dave | oooh |
| 03:37.32 | Dave | Two styrofoam cups and a length of yarn? :D |
| 03:37.33 | ljp | drums work better than cans and string |
| 03:37.54 | Dave | Telephone, anyone? :D |
| 03:38.05 | digitalslave | im high tech - only mono filiment fishing line for me heh |
| 03:38.27 | ljp | oh, but that only works in Europe |
| 03:38.46 | ljp | US uses cotton string |
| 03:38.58 | digitalslave | hahaha |
| 03:39.13 | ljp | and you cant get styro cups with cotton string |
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| 03:40.14 | linuxxr | i didnt see an instruction booklet in the list of optional accessories |
| 03:40.17 | Dave | :D |
| 03:40.42 | linuxxr | i think i botched me order |
| 03:40.42 | Dave | linuxxr, are you referring to the freerunner or our cotton string cup phone? :D |
| 03:40.46 | digitalslave | who reads those? wasted manufacturing cost heh |
| 03:40.51 | Dave | I wasn't aware it came with accessories :D |
| 03:40.52 | digitalslave | hahahaha |
| 03:40.55 | linuxxr | yyup that too |
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| 03:41.00 | Dave | ooh, nice :P |
| 03:41.11 | russellb | instructions? |
| 03:41.18 | Dave | haha, I wonder if I could market such a device to the public. |
| 03:41.19 | digitalslave | i hear taking phone calls is an accessory ;) |
| 03:41.21 | linuxxr | a sac |
| 03:41.30 | Dave | Pull string, talk in cup. |
| 03:42.05 | Dave | whisper back some seemingly profane remarks and see if it works :D |
| 03:42.28 | linuxxr | h e l l o |
| 03:42.39 | Dave | claps |
| 03:42.49 | linuxxr | recon not |
| 03:42.54 | Dave | Well, aren't you clever. |
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| 03:43.30 | linuxxr | so dave u got your phone ? |
| 03:43.40 | linuxxr | freerunner? |
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| 03:43.55 | russellb | linuxxr: having troubles? |
| 03:44.11 | linuxxr | no have finished the order yet |
| 03:44.18 | roh | hmm.. is there already a name for the project? |
| 03:44.38 | linuxxr | i got 2 1 dollar charges on me visa |
| 03:45.05 | linuxxr | thinking im gonna be double billed |
| 03:45.42 | Dave | rut roh |
| 03:45.42 | linuxxr | i just ordered 1 phone an 1 extras stuff |
| 03:46.27 | linuxxr | we will see:) |
| 03:47.36 | wurp2|away_again | roh: The project to get 2007.2 apps running on FSO backbone? |
| 03:48.06 | Dave | Ah, that reminds me, I need a few more debug boards. |
| 03:49.08 | SpeedEvil | Why >1? |
| 03:49.39 | digitalslave | just wants to test the limit and see if he can chain them together and still charge :) |
| 03:50.03 | Dave | Hmm? |
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| 03:50.38 | russellb | because the more hardware you need, the more important you sound |
| 03:50.39 | russellb | runs |
| 03:50.52 | Dave | rolls his eyes at russellb. |
| 03:51.13 | digitalslave | dave you havent hear russellb order yet ;) |
| 03:51.24 | russellb | hmm? |
| 03:51.25 | Dave | heard? |
| 03:51.32 | Dave | What are you talking about? |
| 03:51.43 | Dave | Are we in Soviet Russia? |
| 03:51.52 | russellb | is not. |
| 03:51.55 | Dave | Is that why everything is confusing, and somewhat counterintuitive? |
| 03:52.18 | wurp2|away_again | roh: If so, we're just calling it SHR so far. (Stable Hybrid Release) |
| 03:53.15 | benlake | is this releases progress noted somewhere? |
| 03:53.16 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|away_again: the most important thing to consider. How many of what sort of animals are in the stable. |
| 03:53.19 | Dave | Stable? Something here is stable!? |
| 03:53.22 | Dave | Tell me more! |
| 03:53.30 | benlake | giggles |
| 03:53.33 | Dave | Speedevil, where's the zoo? |
| 03:54.52 | russellb | offers Dave a banana. |
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| 03:56.23 | Dave | screeches like a monkey. |
| 03:56.47 | Arg0naut | any canadians on? |
| 03:56.57 | linuxxr | somebody found slackware:) |
| 03:57.37 | mmontour | Arg0naut: yes |
| 03:59.45 | doc|home | Arg0naut: in canada |
| 03:59.52 | Dave | MILK COMES IN BAGS. |
| 03:59.57 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 04:00.02 | Dave | :p |
| 04:00.04 | nullpuppy | crazy canadians |
| 04:00.05 | doc|home | Dave: not the good milk |
| 04:00.05 | Dave | among other thing :p |
| 04:00.07 | Dave | Indeed. |
| 04:00.11 | Dave | doc, heehee |
| 04:00.21 | Dave | no one said anything about there being good milk ;) |
| 04:00.45 | Arg0naut | do any canadians know what the brokerage fees are going to be? |
| 04:00.54 | Dave | anyway, how about those maple leafs? |
| 04:01.01 | nullpuppy | i don't suppose theres an emulator or somesuch for the gta02 somewhere out there is there? |
| 04:01.05 | doc|home | Arg0naut: I think the only words to describe it are "fucking horrendous" |
| 04:01.06 | Dave | doc, tell him about your crazy group scheme! |
| 04:01.09 | doc|home | Arg0naut: 10 pack? |
| 04:01.11 | SpeedEvil | qemu nullpuppy |
| 04:01.11 | Dave | :D |
| 04:01.23 | nullpuppy | ah, alright |
| 04:01.27 | Arg0naut | single |
| 04:01.34 | nullpuppy | i suppose that makes sense, dunno why i didn't think of that.. |
| 04:01.55 | doc|home | Arg0naut: you're as well off going with expedited, it costs only a little bit more, gets there quicker and brokerage fees are included |
| 04:02.03 | doc|home | Arg0naut: ups suck :( |
| 04:02.20 | doc|home | Arg0naut: in any case, http://www.ups.com/content/ca/en/shipping/cost/zones/customs_clearance.html is what you want |
| 04:02.24 | nullpuppy | ah, ups -> canadia be teh crappy eh? |
| 04:02.30 | doc|home | nullpuppy: very much so |
| 04:02.36 | nullpuppy | that sucks :( |
| 04:03.07 | nullpuppy | do be doo... damn toolchain stuffs needs to download faster |
| 04:03.13 | nullpuppy | i'm tired of waiting ;) |
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| 04:13.33 | tunys | Hiya |
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| 04:13.50 | tunys | how long do you think it will be before the FreeRunners run out? |
| 04:15.17 | nullpuppy | looks like 278 left |
| 04:15.43 | ieatlint | wow, how many were there to begin with? |
| 04:15.51 | nullpuppy | no idea |
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| 04:16.19 | nullpuppy | i'm guessing 1-2k |
| 04:16.45 | gmaxwell | what are the order numbers upto now? |
| 04:17.10 | nullpuppy | i was 1539, and i think there were around 350 left around then |
| 04:17.18 | nullpuppy | and that was about 9 hours ago or so i think. |
| 04:18.22 | tunys | :( |
| 04:18.27 | tunys | this is urgent... |
| 04:18.34 | tunys | I need to get money from my parents fast |
| 04:18.58 | nullpuppy | huh.. what are these webshot re-open gifts? does anyone that bought a single from the website get that? |
| 04:19.02 | nullpuppy | i'm confused |
| 04:19.48 | tunys | are they still manufactoring them? |
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| 04:20.26 | digitalslave | tuny by the time things are all settled and working there will more than likely be another model out :) |
| 04:20.35 | gmaxwell | I was order 1416.. but I dunno how many were left then. |
| 04:20.36 | ieatlint | the order numbers are likely not an accurate representation of how many were sold |
| 04:20.46 | tunys | i don't want the next model |
| 04:20.49 | tunys | I want the current one |
| 04:20.49 | ieatlint | as multiple quantities, especially 10pks, would only get 1 number |
| 04:20.55 | gmaxwell | oh, I guess the 10x packs were one order. |
| 04:21.07 | nullpuppy | ieatlint: yeah, most likely. |
| 04:21.16 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 04:21.54 | alphabeat | hopefully they'll release some metrics, but you never know |
| 04:22.23 | gmaxwell | I'm just glad I got an order in before a sellout. ;) |
| 04:22.45 | gmaxwell | would suck to wait a long long time to get it and then have a new model come out shortly thereafter. |
| 04:22.51 | nullpuppy | gmaxwell: me too :) just wish my chase card would have worked instead of having to resort to bofa |
| 04:23.30 | gmaxwell | nullpuppy, the charge (being from some processing company in tw?!) freaked out my card company and they called me to make sure it was all good. |
| 04:23.55 | nullpuppy | gmaxwell: i never got a call. i tried calling them, twice in fact. |
| 04:24.02 | nullpuppy | and it still refused to go through |
| 04:24.29 | ieatlint | i got a call from wamu over my order |
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| 04:30.58 | Arg0naut | Your Order ID is: 1813 |
| 04:31.11 | nullpuppy | :) |
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| 04:34.01 | josch | gmaxwell, here in germany we already got our phones since a few days :P |
| 04:34.01 | josch | http://neo1973-germany.de/wiki/ProudFreerunnerOwners |
| 04:34.14 | nullpuppy | lucky bastiges! |
| 04:34.15 | nullpuppy | ;) |
| 04:35.42 | Arg0naut | can any of you lucky germans get some videos of the free runner strutting it's stuff? |
| 04:36.24 | pabs3 | hopes the aus order comes quickly |
| 04:37.04 | ieatlint | crazy germans |
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| 04:37.19 | ieatlint | warum magst du david hasselhoff so? |
| 04:37.32 | Dave | o.O |
| 04:38.47 | josch | crazy USA-lers... |
| 04:39.14 | ieatlint | crazy californian here... |
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| 04:40.35 | Dave | :D |
| 04:40.45 | Dave | Bay Area \o/ |
| 04:41.19 | nullpuppy | WA state here |
| 04:42.35 | ieatlint | san francisco :) |
| 04:44.27 | torgi | which phone should i get, i'm in the us, but like to travel |
| 04:44.32 | Dave | \o/ |
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| 04:45.34 | ieatlint | are you on att or tmobile? |
| 04:45.52 | torgi | i have a sprint pcs phone now |
| 04:46.30 | ieatlint | the freerunner is a gsm phone, which is not compatible with sprint |
| 04:47.15 | torgi | ok so i'll change to something new |
| 04:47.18 | swc|666 | torgi - u need a gsm phone |
| 04:47.38 | swc|666 | nullpuppy - WA here too ;) |
| 04:47.46 | nullpuppy | swc|666: awesome ;) where abouts? |
| 04:47.51 | swc|666 | seattle |
| 04:47.51 | ieatlint | well, att uses 850 and 1900, tmobile US uses 1900 but in a handful of areas allows roaming onto 850 networks |
| 04:47.57 | swc|666 | u? |
| 04:48.02 | nullpuppy | bothell |
| 04:48.17 | nullpuppy | going to school in redmond (digipen), off for the summer though |
| 04:48.17 | swc|666 | right on... i live on beacon hill |
| 04:48.22 | nullpuppy | awesome. |
| 04:48.24 | ieatlint | 900 is the most common international frequency because 900mhz has excellent building penetration, but 1800 is also a common one |
| 04:48.33 | swc|666 | are u in the seattle group for the FR? |
| 04:48.44 | nullpuppy | nope. i should probably change taht though :) |
| 04:48.54 | swc|666 | we just ordered today :/ |
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| 04:49.22 | nullpuppy | ooh, you mean for like a group order? i bought mine earlier anyways, so no worries there |
| 04:49.49 | swc|666 | right on... i tried to get an extra one today but Hi Trust isnt compatable with BofA |
| 04:50.05 | nullpuppy | haha, really? weird... |
| 04:50.20 | swc|666 | yep... tried all morning :s |
| 04:50.20 | nullpuppy | i had to order with bofa, because chase wouldn't go through |
| 04:50.48 | swc|666 | really... i used a business check card so maybe that was the kicker |
| 04:51.04 | nullpuppy | hmm, maybe, i used my bofa credit card |
| 04:51.11 | nullpuppy | not check card |
| 04:51.28 | swc|666 | thats probably the difference |
| 04:51.49 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 04:51.50 | swc|666 | wicked weather recently eh? |
| 04:52.02 | nullpuppy | what kind of errors did you get with the check card? |
| 04:52.07 | nullpuppy | hehe, yeah, i love it ;) |
| 04:52.19 | swc|666 | 500 error |
| 04:52.25 | nullpuppy | sunday was teh suck being all hot and nasty, but been good since then |
| 04:52.37 | nullpuppy | huh, yeah, thats what i got with chase too *shrugs* |
| 04:52.41 | alphabeat | pabs3: did you go with simon |
| 04:52.47 | alphabeat | ? |
| 04:52.53 | pabs3 | alphabeat: yeah |
| 04:53.08 | alphabeat | did you get the email he sent at 2? |
| 04:53.38 | pabs3 | ah, you'll have to remind me, which one is that? I think I deleted it |
| 04:54.05 | alphabeat | "Summary of Group Buy on Friday the 4th". |
| 04:55.26 | pabs3 | yep |
| 04:55.34 | CVirus | [07:31] <Arg0naut> Your Order ID is: 1813 |
| 04:55.42 | CVirus | is this an incrementing number or what ? |
| 04:55.59 | nullpuppy | seems to be. no idea what it started at |
| 04:56.03 | pabs3 | alphabeat: I got confused, it is only 1pm here :) |
| 04:59.04 | nullpuppy | hmm.. for those using qemu for stuffs... how are you building the image? are you using the motomakefile stuff, or otherwise building from scratch? |
| 04:59.06 | dvarnes | alphabeat, got response from simon .. all taken .. no probs, will wait till a 900Mhz version becomes avail .. the Neo on my desk still looks good :-) |
| 05:00.24 | alphabeat | pabs3: you must be in wa? well it was sent an hour ago |
| 05:00.35 | alphabeat | dvarnes: :( bad luck |
| 05:00.47 | dvarnes | alphabeat, pabs,out of interest, what was the final cost for the .au group purchase ? |
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| 05:07.47 | alphabeat | $430 including shipping and insurance to simon i believe |
| 05:07.54 | Dave | PABS! |
| 05:08.46 | dvarnes | alphabeat, hmm ,,, good price .. buggah |
| 05:08.59 | alphabeat | yeah we scored a deal with the OM guys |
| 05:09.33 | alphabeat | i was almost going to become a reseller. should have done it! |
| 05:11.39 | seg|ars | anybody out there have any experience with pygtk on openmoko? |
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| 05:11.46 | seg|ars | I got the python package installed |
| 05:11.54 | seg|ars | but there don't appear to be gtk bindings for python in the repo. :-( |
| 05:14.01 | ferric | WOOT! |
| 05:14.06 | Dave | ferric? |
| 05:14.08 | ferric | waves to wurp2|away_again |
| 05:14.18 | ferric | Dave: sorry, a little inebriated - so excited. |
| 05:14.28 | ferric | just a wee bit o'the old liquerz. |
| 05:14.30 | Dave | :P |
| 05:14.39 | nezza-_- | tinyurl.com/5lnygx |
| 05:14.54 | nezza-_- | frogpad on the neo1973 :) |
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| 05:19.58 | Dave | Hey pabster |
| 05:20.27 | pabs3 | hey |
| 05:22.14 | ferric | well, looks like wurp sorted stuff out with roh |
| 05:22.28 | nullpuppy | nezza-_-: haha, thats freaking awesome :) |
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| 05:23.48 | nullpuppy | hmm, how's the sms support on the neo? or has anyone tested that recently? |
| 05:24.17 | ferric | hah. looks like we're going back to 2007.2 |
| 05:24.18 | ferric | sighs. |
| 05:24.29 | nullpuppy | hehe |
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| 05:24.47 | ferric | nullpuppy: freerunner? |
| 05:24.59 | nullpuppy | ferric: yeah. |
| 05:25.00 | theocrite | Am i dreaming or is the GTA02 on sale now ? oO |
| 05:25.10 | nullpuppy | theocrite: your dreaming :) |
| 05:25.14 | nullpuppy | except, yes, it is for sale too |
| 05:25.15 | tunys | theocrite, selling and going fast |
| 05:25.15 | nullpuppy | ;) |
| 05:25.18 | tunys | I wish I was dreaming |
| 05:25.26 | theocrite | \o/ |
| 05:25.32 | theocrite | Woohoo |
| 05:25.36 | nullpuppy | gogogo, order! |
| 05:25.44 | theocrite | Since long ? |
| 05:25.45 | tunys | Is it possible for me to reserve one, pay later? |
| 05:25.54 | tunys | now isn't the best time for me |
| 05:26.01 | nullpuppy | :( |
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| 05:26.11 | tunys | i can pay 1/4 of the price plus shipping now |
| 05:26.28 | nullpuppy | tunys: see if there are any groups doing group orders that might have some spares |
| 05:26.48 | tunys | nullpuppy, where would I look for that? |
| 05:26.51 | nullpuppy | might be able to work with people, but you probably couldn't do that directly |
| 05:26.56 | nullpuppy | where are you located? |
| 05:27.00 | ferric | lol - reserve one pay later. |
| 05:27.03 | tunys | Arrrrrrrrizona. |
| 05:27.07 | ferric | tunys: that's what credit cards are for. |
| 05:27.25 | theocrite | tunys: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buying_Interest_List ? |
| 05:27.30 | tunys | ferric, my debit card has about $5 on it |
| 05:27.36 | tunys | theocrite, search for "tuna" |
| 05:27.50 | ferric | tunys: crrrrrrrrredit |
| 05:27.58 | tunys | ferric, no haz |
| 05:28.12 | theocrite | Whoops, my bad. |
| 05:28.18 | theocrite | The link is : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales |
| 05:29.48 | tunys | Tuscon... |
| 05:29.55 | tunys | 3/10 so far |
| 05:29.58 | tunys | :/ |
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| 05:30.04 | tunys | i live like 2 hours away from Tuscon |
| 05:30.08 | jitu3485 | Hi I am trying to build sample project from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain; I did as per guided in page but iam getting error:configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 05:30.16 | jitu3485 | how to cope with this? |
| 05:30.16 | ferric | whoa |
| 05:30.24 | ferric | jitu3485: are you using mokomakefile? |
| 05:30.42 | jitu3485 | felipe_, no I am using toolchain method |
| 05:30.45 | tunys | must realize more and more every day how remote he is... |
| 05:30.59 | jitu3485 | ferric, , no I am using toolchain method |
| 05:31.09 | jitu3485 | felipe_, sorry |
| 05:31.39 | nezza-_- | jitu3485: can you compile normal files? have you installed the build-essentials? |
| 05:32.00 | ferric | jitu3485: no idea, sorry, mokomakefile is easier to deal with |
| 05:32.13 | jitu3485 | ferric, ok yhanks |
| 05:32.24 | nezza-_- | ferric: isnt mokomakefile the toolchain? |
| 05:32.36 | nezza-_- | jitu3485: can you compile normal files? |
| 05:33.01 | jitu3485 | nezza-_-, i have build-essential , i haven't tried to compile normal files |
| 05:33.10 | nezza-_- | jitu3485: try this.. |
| 05:33.27 | nezza-_- | jitu3485: seems to be a linker problem.. so may you will get further output if you compile a normal file |
| 05:33.55 | jitu3485 | nezza-_-, ok i am trying this thanks |
| 05:34.21 | ferric | nezza-_-: that is one way. |
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| 05:36.12 | ferric | where is the main openmoko svn? |
| 05:37.27 | nezza-_- | ferric: ferric svn.openmoko.org? |
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| 05:42.36 | ferric | nezza-_-: hm, that doesn't seem to have 2007.2 |
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| 05:45.10 | ferric | ok, that might be it: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/ |
| 05:47.08 | nezza-_- | ferric: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/ |
| 05:47.12 | nezza-_- | to late -_ |
| 05:47.13 | nezza-_- | - |
| 05:47.18 | Railer | how many are left? |
| 05:47.18 | nezza-_- | i'm becoming older =P |
| 05:47.23 | roh | japp http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/ |
| 05:47.30 | Ainulindale | Hi there. |
| 05:47.38 | roh | for the old 2007.2 stuff |
| 05:47.45 | nezza-_- | hi Ainulindale |
| 05:48.29 | jitu3485 | nezza-_-, I compiled with normal file (only a printf statement in a C file )but still it gives configure:error : C compiler cannot create executables and FATAL: oe_runconf failed. |
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| 05:49.51 | ferric | roh: per your conversation with wurp2 earlier today, is that the right place to start from to branch into git and then run git-svn so we can submit patches back to the mailing list? |
| 05:51.47 | nullpuppy | hmm, looks like ~265 singles left, and 39 10 packs |
| 05:53.28 | Ainulindale | nezza-_-: you compiled for the freerunner ? |
| 05:53.41 | Ainulindale | errr |
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| 05:53.43 | roh | ferric well.. if one wants to use git for app development locally... |
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| 05:53.49 | Ainulindale | s/nezza/jitu3485/ |
| 05:54.06 | nezza-_- | Ainulindale: he got problems with his gcc/linker |
| 05:54.10 | Ainulindale | jeddy3: if you're compiling on a system which tells you that, it's usually a binutils problem |
| 05:54.14 | Ainulindale | Argh |
| 05:54.18 | Ainulindale | My tab completion is doomed |
| 05:54.24 | nezza-_- | Ainulindale: hehe |
| 05:54.28 | Ainulindale | jitu3485: if you're compiling on a system which tells you that, it's usually a binutils problem |
| 05:54.33 | nezza-_- | jitu3485: yeah Ainulindale is right.. recheck the binutils |
| 05:54.36 | ferric | roh: what would you suggest? |
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| 05:54.59 | jeddy3 | Ainulindale, thanks, good to know ;) |
| 05:55.08 | jitu3485 | ok |
| 05:55.30 | roh | ferric i think that depends on what one wants to work. i think we should involve people like xora and mickeyl in that discussion |
| 05:55.39 | Railer | how many FR's are left? |
| 05:56.21 | ferric | roh: cool. i'm just enabling, wurp2's sorta leading that so i'll see if we can get an email thread started. |
| 05:56.43 | roh | ferric yeah.. better take it to openmoko-devel@ |
| 05:56.52 | roh | better snr there than community@ |
| 05:57.02 | Ainulindale | jeddy3: t-t-t :-) |
| 05:57.13 | ferric | roh: from that log wurp2|away_again added to the SHR talk page, it seemed like he wanted to use git internall and then pushes patches to devel@ |
| 05:57.27 | ferric | roh: there's signal on community@? :-) |
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| 06:07.51 | roh | ive added shr as milestone |
| 06:08.05 | roh | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/roadmap |
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| 06:08.43 | Ainulindale | Just out of curiosity |
| 06:08.54 | Ainulindale | Is it possible, right now, to build an image for gta02 and emulate it ? |
| 06:09.18 | tunys | yep |
| 06:09.21 | tunys | got qemu? |
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| 06:10.03 | Ainulindale | qemu, and a built fso image |
| 06:10.13 | Ainulindale | tried to do -M gta02fake |
| 06:10.19 | ferric | roh: you're awesome - thanks! |
| 06:10.31 | Ainulindale | but I keep having s3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20 |
| 06:10.36 | Ainulindale | (while flashing) |
| 06:11.07 | tunys | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_under_QEMU |
| 06:11.28 | Ainulindale | Already checked. |
| 06:11.50 | Ainulindale | I did manage to build and use my images before, but right now I was fiddling with MACHINE= |
| 06:12.11 | tunys | oh, i dunno |
| 06:12.34 | nullpuppy | where does the local.conf thats needed for building openmoko need to live? |
| 06:12.59 | nullpuppy | notes wiki build environment stuff needs some serious lovin ... ;) |
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| 06:22.38 | wurp2|away_again | nullpuppy: build/conf/local.conf |
| 06:23.06 | ferric | wurp2|away_again: http://github.com/aditya/openmoko-shr/tree |
| 06:23.07 | wurp2|away_again | Ainulindale: Did you see my post about building a hybrid release, 2007.2 apps build on FSO backbone? |
| 06:23.18 | wurp2|away_again | ferric: Awesome! |
| 06:23.25 | ferric | just pulled in 2007.2 |
| 06:23.32 | wurp2|away_again | It's 1:23am where I am, so I need to go to bed |
| 06:23.42 | ferric | 2:23am here :-) but no work tomorrow. |
| 06:23.58 | Dave | Yeah :p |
| 06:24.05 | Dave | Woohoo, holiday... ~_~ |
| 06:24.05 | ahven | tomorrow = saturday for me :P |
| 06:24.10 | Dave | paaaaaaaaartay! |
| 06:24.12 | ferric | wurp2|away_again: also, http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/roadmap |
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| 06:24.21 | ahven | but still, morning |
| 06:24.34 | wurp2|away_again | You should talk some with paulproteus |
| 06:24.45 | wurp2|away_again | and also read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 06:25.01 | Ainulindale | wurp2|away_again: Where ? |
| 06:25.01 | ferric | wurp2|away_again: read it |
| 06:25.11 | ferric | wurp2|away_again: i don't care where it's hosted, but i just wanted to get something up, so that. |
| 06:25.12 | Ainulindale | Oh and by the way my image seems to be weird |
| 06:25.13 | Ainulindale | jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x00148020: 0xd614 instead |
| 06:25.17 | Ainulindale | A lot |
| 06:25.23 | ferric | wurp2|away_again: we can pull into pp's repo as well. |
| 06:25.34 | wurp2|away_again | Ainulindale: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 06:25.50 | ferric | wurp2|away_again: so i'm going to pull in FSO sources as well, and then work on integrating FSO with 2007.2 |
| 06:25.51 | wurp2|away_again | ferric: Yeah, I don't care who runs it |
| 06:26.06 | Ainulindale | Aaaaaah so you're Bobby Martin |
| 06:26.06 | wurp2|away_again | ferric: Wow. I'm going to go upstairs, and sleep. |
| 06:26.08 | ferric | wurp2|away_again: and we can do ASU later. |
| 06:26.10 | Ainulindale | I was wondering :-) |
| 06:26.13 | wurp2|away_again | Ainulindale: Oh, yeah |
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| 06:26.15 | nullpuppy | ok, do i need to set $OMDIR? or does the motomakefile stuff take care of that? |
| 06:26.15 | wurp2|away_again | That's me |
| 06:26.33 | ferric | wurp2|away_again: sleep well! |
| 06:26.38 | wurp2|away_again | ferric: thx |
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| 06:27.05 | ferric | wurp2|away_again: i'm going in the right direction though, yes? |
| 06:27.38 | wurp2|away_again | ferric: Yeah, that sounds perfect to me |
| 06:27.57 | wurp2|away_again | I think you should look at what roh (an OM developer) said in that link I gave |
| 06:28.18 | wurp2|away_again | It clarified a little what lives in svn, what's in git, how we should manage revision control |
| 06:28.30 | Ainulindale | wurp2|away_again: I added myself to the list of interest in buying you time to find tasks to do |
| 06:28.39 | Ainulindale | +r |
| 06:28.41 | wurp2|away_again | Ainulindale: Excellent, thanks! |
| 06:28.47 | ferric | wurp2|away_again: I did - and I talked to roh as well. it looks like step 1 might be to push from our internal repo into their svn tree |
| 06:28.51 | Ainulindale | But I fear I won't be of any use |
| 06:29.03 | wurp2|away_again | Ainulindale: Can you give an email address, either in pm or obfuscated in your user page? |
| 06:29.22 | wurp2|away_again | Ainulindale: Eh, if nothing else you could help us test |
| 06:29.25 | Ainulindale | Already done |
| 06:29.36 | wurp2|away_again | ferric: Excellent! |
| 06:29.45 | Ainulindale | Yes, I know, but I prefer to do some technical stuff :-) |
| 06:29.57 | ferric | er |
| 06:29.59 | wurp2|away_again | I prefer you to, as well |
| 06:30.01 | wurp2|away_again | :-) |
| 06:30.09 | ferric | i think making 2007.2 b0rked apps working with FSO is a big task |
| 06:30.11 | doc|home | woohoo, one more person and I have a ten pack :) (That and the credit card transfer taking fucking days) |
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| 06:30.15 | ferric | Ainulindale: we need you |
| 06:30.18 | wurp2|away_again | None of us know anything about this yet |
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| 06:30.26 | ferric | yep |
| 06:30.31 | Ainulindale | ferric: Sexually you mean ? :-) |
| 06:30.36 | ferric | of course. |
| 06:30.41 | ferric | what other way would there be? |
| 06:31.04 | wurp2|away_again | I have a lot of dev experience, but none integrating with a big OSS project like this |
| 06:31.19 | Ainulindale | Though your proposition of sexual pleasing is flattering, I'm more concerned right now with building a working and proper FSO image |
| 06:31.23 | wurp2|away_again | And not much embedded, and no experience with git (but I've used git-like repos) |
| 06:31.25 | ferric | hahah |
| 06:31.37 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 06:31.38 | Ainulindale | wurp2|away_again: same here |
| 06:31.39 | ferric | that's the easy stuff, wurp2|away_again |
| 06:31.40 | nullpuppy | well played |
| 06:31.48 | wurp2|away_again | We can save all the sexual gratification for our FR vibrators |
| 06:31.53 | Ainulindale | Yay |
| 06:31.54 | ferric | touche |
| 06:32.03 | Ainulindale | An opensource dildo |
| 06:32.06 | Ainulindale | Classy |
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| 06:32.14 | nullpuppy | haha, thats not a bad idea |
| 06:32.18 | ferric | indeed. i find this very pleasurable |
| 06:32.20 | wurp2|away_again | ferric: Yeah, but I think to get phone & sms working just requires building a phonekit workalike that delegates to ophoned |
| 06:32.21 | methril | morning |
| 06:32.23 | Ainulindale | My girlfriend will be pleased, in both meaning |
| 06:32.30 | nullpuppy | we should build a market around open source sex toys |
| 06:32.32 | Ainulindale | +s |
| 06:32.34 | wurp2|away_again | ferric: And that doesn't seem daunting |
| 06:32.44 | FacelessJ | I'm going this way now. >_> |
| 06:32.46 | ferric | wurp2|away_again: i'm not quite sure what the interaction between the dialer, and gsmd is in 2007.2 |
| 06:32.53 | Ainulindale | Well, as I was saying, I have a problem with my image |
| 06:33.04 | Ainulindale | Looks like there's a weird jjfs error |
| 06:33.05 | wurp2|away_again | ferric: Per the diagram I was looking at, it all was mediated through phonekit |
| 06:33.07 | methril | open source sex toys? where i can find one? :) |
| 06:33.14 | tunys | how many handsets left? |
| 06:33.14 | Ainulindale | methril: up your ass ? :-) |
| 06:33.16 | ferric | wurp2|away_again: that diagram was 2007.2? cool. |
| 06:33.18 | wurp2|away_again | ferric: And comments from mickey|zzZZzz seemed to back that up |
| 06:33.20 | methril | oh! no |
| 06:33.28 | tunys | FreeF*cker |
| 06:33.32 | ferric | wurp2|away_again: i saw a date on it, but wasn't sure if it was some sort of pipe-dream or the real deal |
| 06:33.36 | methril | i'm still virgin |
| 06:33.42 | methril | in that place :P |
| 06:33.47 | wurp2|away_again | ferric: The diagram on the pdf, that had phonekit & gsmd, was 2007.2 |
| 06:34.02 | Ainulindale | methril: As in "free as in free rectum" ? |
| 06:34.04 | ferric | wurp2|away_again: ok, awesome. |
| 06:34.10 | wurp2|away_again | OK, I need to go scrub my brain until I forget the banter in here |
| 06:34.11 | wurp2|away_again | then sleep |
| 06:34.18 | wurp2|away_again | 'night all |
| 06:34.19 | methril | puaj, i'm not in that way |
| 06:34.21 | ferric | wurp2|away_again: you've got a head start on that, so i'll work on integrating the FSO stuff, if I can. |
| 06:34.29 | Ainulindale | And for my part I really want to make this image work |
| 06:34.32 | wurp2|away_again | ferric: OK, great |
| 06:34.32 | Ainulindale | Oh methril by the way |
| 06:34.36 | ferric | alphabeat: what image? |
| 06:34.41 | Ainulindale | The image built |
| 06:34.41 | wurp2|away_again | rly gone now |
| 06:34.42 | Ainulindale | but... |
| 06:34.44 | methril | nice |
| 06:34.47 | methril | doesn't work |
| 06:34.48 | Ainulindale | jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x002a4024: 0xb406 instead |
| 06:34.56 | Ainulindale | (a lot) |
| 06:35.05 | ferric | are you building FSO from source? |
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| 06:35.11 | methril | uf !! flash devices is my nightmare |
| 06:35.11 | nullpuppy | patiently waits while oe/om stuffs checks out... |
| 06:35.13 | nullpuppy | 22%! |
| 06:35.26 | Ainulindale | ferric: yep |
| 06:35.30 | FacelessJ | Anyone have any idea when they'll have more Freerunner 900's in stock? :( |
| 06:35.36 | ferric | Ainulindale: mokomakefile? |
| 06:35.50 | ferric | FacelessJ: i don't think they even put their stock up yet. |
| 06:36.15 | FacelessJ | Ahh so that's why they're sold out. I thought people just really liked the phone. :P |
| 06:36.24 | Ainulindale | ferric: nope |
| 06:36.27 | ferric | that's known to happen too. |
| 06:36.29 | ferric | Ainulindale: why not? |
| 06:36.30 | Ainulindale | ferric: Manual hassle |
| 06:36.37 | Ainulindale | Because I like the pain |
| 06:36.45 | Ainulindale | Whip me you manly boy |
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| 06:37.00 | Ainulindale | And more seriously, because I was trying to understand what mokomakefile does |
| 06:37.22 | ferric | oy vey. |
| 06:37.23 | FacelessJ | I went to the site yesterday, the store wasn't open, I went in there today, it was open. I was like "ZOMG BUY!!", and then moments later "AWWWWW sold out already!!? >_<" |
| 06:37.25 | alphabeat | FacelessJ: well we like it also |
| 06:37.34 | ferric | FacelessJ: are you in europe? |
| 06:37.38 | FacelessJ | Nah, australia |
| 06:37.40 | alphabeat | Aus by the looks |
| 06:38.01 | ferric | ah |
| 06:38.05 | alphabeat | FacelessJ: you should have got in earlier on the Aus-wide group buy |
| 06:38.21 | FacelessJ | ?? |
| 06:38.23 | Ainulindale | ferric: nonetheless it won't work, is that a rootfs problem ? |
| 06:38.33 | alphabeat | FacelessJ: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Group_Sales_Australia |
| 06:38.40 | ferric | alphabeat: yes, sounds like it |
| 06:38.48 | ferric | er |
| 06:38.52 | ferric | Ainulindale: ^^ |
| 06:39.02 | Ainulindale | So how could I cope up with that ? |
| 06:39.03 | alphabeat | heh i was like o_O |
| 06:39.48 | methril | <Ainulindale> do you have any build log |
| 06:39.50 | methril | ? |
| 06:39.51 | ferric | Ainulindale: no idea. |
| 06:40.54 | Ainulindale | methril: errr, what for ? |
| 06:41.00 | Ainulindale | I built it, that's all |
| 06:41.05 | Ainulindale | I can give you a flash log if necessary |
| 06:41.12 | Ainulindale | But there was no special thing during build |
| 06:41.20 | Ainulindale | Apart from the traditionals 404 |
| 06:41.22 | FacelessJ | Yeah, that's alright, I probably wouldn't have gone in the group buy anyway, as I live a few hours away from a capital city, and the cost to get it would end up being almost the same price anyways. :P |
| 06:41.24 | methril | yes, but if we need to see the problem... let's see what happens with the build |
| 06:41.33 | Ainulindale | methril: as I said, nothing special |
| 06:41.37 | methril | ok |
| 06:41.48 | Ainulindale | just a bunch of NOTE: |
| 06:41.50 | Ainulindale | but 0 failed |
| 06:42.13 | methril | i need to check the fso in my own, at least :) |
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| 06:42.43 | Ainulindale | methril: besides it looks like a rootfs problem to me |
| 06:43.23 | methril | you did the image for gta01? or for qemu? |
| 06:43.30 | methril | maybe you found a bug :) |
| 06:43.30 | Ainulindale | qemu |
| 06:43.47 | Ainulindale | Maybe, but I still want to be able to use FSO ! :-) |
| 06:44.21 | Ainulindale | The messages are as follows : |
| 06:44.21 | Ainulindale | Node at 0x00003c18 with length 0x00000519 would run over the end of the erase block |
| 06:44.25 | Ainulindale | Perhaps the file system was created with the wrong erase size? |
| 06:44.27 | Ainulindale | jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x00003c1c: 0x0519 instead |
| 06:44.38 | Ainulindale | Ad nauseam |
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| 06:51.58 | FacelessJ | What is the debug board needed for? Do you have to have it if you want to develop for the freerunner? |
| 06:52.33 | ferric | no |
| 06:52.38 | ferric | you need it if you screw up |
| 06:53.08 | methril | Ainulindale: did you use the openmoko/flash.sh script? |
| 06:53.34 | tunys | hey, how many handsets left? |
| 06:53.43 | methril | or you need it if you wan't to flash/personalize u-boot for example |
| 06:53.59 | Ainulindale | methril: yep I used it |
| 06:54.05 | Ainulindale | and flash the correct image (I think) |
| 06:54.08 | FacelessJ | Hrmmm. |
| 06:54.13 | Ainulindale | ed |
| 06:54.15 | Ainulindale | + |
| 06:54.21 | FacelessJ | tries to decide if it's worth the extra $100 for the DBoard. |
| 06:54.33 | paulproteus | wurp2|away_again, roh, I've read the scrollback - good conversation. |
| 06:55.16 | nullpuppy | are there schematics for the dboard if someone wanted to make it? |
| 06:55.20 | methril | FacelessJ are you going to do kernel dev? or are you going to make some HW hack? |
| 06:55.52 | Ainulindale | methril: flashed that : |
| 06:55.54 | Ainulindale | Using 'uImage-2.6.24+git5ccaca2adb1c37b5955a4733f68ae08a755e3d78-r0-om-gta02.bin' as the kernel image. |
| 06:55.57 | Ainulindale | Using 'Angstrom-fso-image-glibc-ipk-2008.1-test-20080703-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2' as the root filesystem image. |
| 06:56.00 | Ainulindale | Using 'u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+svnr4297+gitb29661fc1151077776454288051bc9a488351ce8-r3.bin' as bootloader. |
| 06:56.08 | FacelessJ | I'd probably just be making apps for it. I would like to mess around with the kernel, but my experience in that area is extremely lacking |
| 06:56.33 | methril | then of are only apps, you can save $100 |
| 06:56.34 | tunys | "I'd flash that" |
| 06:57.10 | paulproteus | ieatlint, Where in SF? (-: |
| 06:57.29 | ieatlint | presidio |
| 06:57.33 | ieatlint | you in sf too? |
| 06:57.42 | paulproteus | nullpuppy, Yay, I'm in SF (-: |
| 06:58.00 | nullpuppy | eh? i'm in wa ... ;) |
| 06:58.00 | FacelessJ | kk, so I won't buy the DBoard yet. I'll buy it later if I deem it necessary. :P |
| 06:58.20 | ieatlint | where in sf paul? |
| 06:58.39 | methril | do you have jffs2 support on your linux kernel? |
| 06:58.46 | methril | you can try to mount your image |
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| 06:59.20 | Ainulindale | methril: it wouldn't output these messages if I didn't, wouldn't it :-) |
| 06:59.36 | Ainulindale | Oh my english is crappy today |
| 06:59.44 | methril | what message? |
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| 07:00.31 | paulproteus | ferric, I'd rather avoid github if possible; okay if we use my server, git.asheesh.org? |
| 07:01.10 | paulproteus | ieatlint, 14th & Valencia St, just about |
| 07:01.21 | ieatlint | opposite side of the city then :P |
| 07:01.32 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:01.33 | Ainulindale | methril: about jjfs errors |
| 07:01.35 | methril | Valencia St? |
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| 07:02.02 | paulproteus | methril, That's where I live, I'm saying. |
| 07:02.02 | ferric | paulproteus: oh, absolutely. |
| 07:02.08 | paulproteus | Michael Shiloh lives in SF also |
| 07:02.09 | ferric | paulproteus: any particular reason re: gitub? |
| 07:02.16 | Ainulindale | http://www.calaquendi.org/moko/moko.log <= methril |
| 07:02.16 | ferric | er, github |
| 07:02.38 | paulproteus | I just don't really like centrally hosted services hosted by people who aren't me, when I can avoid them. |
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| 07:03.08 | paulproteus | I foresee a future where no one except massive companies can afford to host network services, and then we'll end up with the Internet like television - where the costs to entry are so high that it's not a real open network anymore. |
| 07:03.12 | Wander_w | Mornin |
| 07:03.35 | paulproteus | At least, that's the current reason. |
| 07:03.35 | ferric | paulproteus: uh. :-) |
| 07:03.40 | paulproteus | Sometimes I have other reasons. (-: |
| 07:03.53 | ferric | well, the beauty is that it's git, so we can pull push eat from everywhere. |
| 07:03.53 | Wander_w | paulproteus: why is that? It's way cheaper nowadays to host a website than it was ever before |
| 07:03.54 | ferric | :-) |
| 07:04.07 | FacelessJ | Like *whiney voice*"I just don't wanna" :P |
| 07:04.25 | paulproteus | Wander_w, Sure, but it's not actually cheap to host e.g. a mail service. |
| 07:04.41 | paulproteus | Not the same way it's cheap to host a website, that's for sure. |
| 07:04.44 | doc|home | paulproteus: why would that happen? |
| 07:04.45 | paulproteus | The percentage of open source hackers who just use Gmail is astounding. |
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| 07:05.03 | Wander_w | paulproteus: really? just buy a dedicated server, plunk exim/postfix/whatever on it and your done |
| 07:05.08 | doc|home | indeed |
| 07:05.12 | doc|home | it's not even difficult |
| 07:05.13 | ferric | paulproteus: the original reason I went with github was simply because its easier to make things more visible to people that wouldn't have found them otherwise. :) |
| 07:05.13 | paulproteus | Wander_w, Well, that's what *I* do, don't get me wrong. |
| 07:05.16 | doc|home | nevermind expensive |
| 07:05.21 | Wander_w | paulproteus: yeah, that's because gmail is so damn good |
| 07:05.31 | ferric | gmail is also READING YOUR EMAIL. |
| 07:05.35 | doc|home | I wasn't all that impressed by gmail |
| 07:05.37 | HauDyrArb | morning gais |
| 07:05.44 | doc|home | but then I use a real fucking email client :) |
| 07:06.02 | Ainulindale | doc|home: mutt ? :-) |
| 07:06.05 | paulproteus | Gmail is also proprietary software, which bugs me for mostly obvious reasons. |
| 07:06.07 | Wander_w | doc|home: I use to many computers to have a "real" email client |
| 07:06.08 | doc|home | Ainulindale: hah |
| 07:06.11 | paulproteus | doc|home, alpine ! |
| 07:06.12 | doc|home | Ainulindale: pine! ;) |
| 07:06.20 | drscream | i'm the king of the world, my openmoko arrived :P hello and good morning everyone :) |
| 07:06.22 | doc|home | Wander_w: never heard of imap? |
| 07:06.27 | paulproteus | doc|home++ |
| 07:06.30 | Wander_w | doc|home: no |
| 07:06.32 | methril | <Ainulindale> is your build/conf/local.conf with machine neo1973 |
| 07:06.32 | methril | ? |
| 07:06.35 | doc|home | Wander_w: look it up |
| 07:06.44 | Wander_w | doc|home: i have not never heard of imap |
| 07:06.49 | paulproteus | doc|home, Don't have to be edgy about it! |
| 07:06.54 | methril | drscream lucky you |
| 07:06.56 | doc|home | paulproteus: edgy? |
| 07:07.10 | doc|home | Wander_w: then where's the problem? |
| 07:07.15 | paulproteus | shrugs |
| 07:07.19 | paulproteus | Yay, MokoMakefile made my fresh FSO image. |
| 07:07.27 | Wander_w | doc|home: there's no problem, I'm quite happy with gmail |
| 07:07.29 | paulproteus | Okay ferric, where I am I need to go to sleep. |
| 07:07.44 | paulproteus | roh, Can we get SSH keys to be able to push to the OM git repo instead of creating our own? |
| 07:07.46 | ieatlint | 10 past midnight on the eve of a holiday? :P |
| 07:07.48 | doc|home | Wander_w: fine then! and! yeah! wait, what were we talking about again? |
| 07:07.50 | paulproteus | And just push to a separate distro branch? |
| 07:07.57 | Wander_w | doc|home: titties? |
| 07:07.59 | ferric | paulproteus: that would rock. |
| 07:08.04 | doc|home | Wander_w: hooray! |
| 07:08.12 | Wander_w | horray for boobies! |
| 07:08.16 | doc|home | bingo! :) |
| 07:08.16 | paulproteus | roh seemed to really like the idea of us not creating separate infrastructure. |
| 07:08.35 | ferric | yep. it feels too much like a fork, when it isn't. |
| 07:08.53 | ferric | paulproteus: i think what he wanted was sending patches to 2007.2 so they could applied to that svn tree. |
| 07:08.54 | paulproteus | So ferric, do we have a reason to pick the 2007.2 apps instead of the Qtopia apps? |
| 07:09.10 | paulproteus | ferric, Right - and I realized that what he wanted was for us to use the OE patch infrastructure to write those patches. |
| 07:09.13 | ferric | paulproteus: no, the idea is to eventually get them all, i just started with .2 first instead of ASU |
| 07:09.34 | paulproteus | Rather than using a git-svn clone of the svn repository. |
| 07:09.55 | paulproteus | Admittedly, that's kind of weird - versioning patches with an RCS rather than versioning files with an RCS. |
| 07:10.22 | ferric | yeah, i don't quite understand that either. |
| 07:10.38 | paulproteus | It's nice in that it easily integrates with svn - I see where he's coming from. |
| 07:10.45 | ferric | or maybe he just wants us to send patches to be applied to the svn tree as opposed to giving someone commit access. |
| 07:10.53 | paulproteus | Yes, that's what he wants. |
| 07:11.01 | ferric | that's not versioning the patches, then |
| 07:11.01 | paulproteus | Email patches to the OM devel list, they review and commit. |
| 07:11.17 | ferric | well, i guess at some level it is |
| 07:11.19 | paulproteus | Well, *we* would write our patches and put them in our OE git branch for our "distro". |
| 07:11.22 | ferric | because each commit is a patch. |
| 07:11.52 | paulproteus | So git would be versioning a directory with files called e.g. .../appname/paches/patch_remove_ophone.diff |
| 07:12.19 | ferric | erk |
| 07:12.20 | paulproteus | Like the way RPM packages ship patches directories, or the way many Debian packages do, if you know those systems. |
| 07:12.21 | Ainulindale | methril: that's the problem I pointed out. I just tried MACHINE="om-gta02". I'm trying now with MACHINE="om-gta01" |
| 07:12.28 | ferric | i wasn't thinking of it that way |
| 07:12.37 | paulproteus | That's the way roh seemed to be thinking of it. |
| 07:12.49 | ferric | ok, need clarification. |
| 07:12.52 | Wander_w | Ainulindale: did you get a working gta02 build? |
| 07:12.52 | ferric | roh: ping? |
| 07:12.53 | methril | i see that you have the neo1973-partition scheme |
| 07:13.17 | ferric | paulproteus: i don't _think_ he cares how we create the patch |
| 07:13.22 | methril | you can boot with the "-M gta02fake" qemu option |
| 07:13.33 | ferric | paulproteus: so we could create a parallel tree and then just generate a patch that would apply cleanly to the svn tree. |
| 07:13.42 | paulproteus | Yes, that's true. git-svn even makes that easy. |
| 07:13.45 | Ainulindale | Wander_w: doesn't look like it :-) |
| 07:13.51 | Wander_w | Ainulindale: bummer |
| 07:13.56 | ferric | cool. I think its safe to assume that, no? |
| 07:14.13 | paulproteus | Well, somewhat easy. |
| 07:14.18 | FacelessJ | Well, anyway, better get back to work. >_> Bai |
| 07:14.22 | paulproteus | Yes, should be easy enough. |
| 07:14.33 | ferric | paulproteus: if you want to start with ASU, go ahead. |
| 07:14.40 | ferric | i'm going to head to bed too, I think |
| 07:14.54 | Wander_w | bed? that's where I just rolled out of |
| 07:15.00 | paulproteus | Okay, well let's talk some more in the morning then. |
| 07:15.12 | paulproteus | ferric, If I start with ASU will you also? Or would you rather start with 2007.2? |
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| 07:15.29 | ferric | paulproteus: what makes more sense? |
| 07:15.41 | Ainulindale | methril: won't boot. |
| 07:15.45 | ferric | paulproteus: get one done first together, or start independently on both? |
| 07:15.51 | Ainulindale | incorrect device type in kernel |
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| 07:15.56 | methril | oh! |
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| 07:15.57 | paulproteus | I'd say get one done together first. |
| 07:16.01 | methril | what a pity |
| 07:16.15 | ferric | ok, sounds fine to me. |
| 07:16.23 | ferric | we can start with ASU, as well. |
| 07:16.29 | ferric | (i prefer qt anyway :-) |
| 07:16.37 | nullpuppy | do i need to edit the Motomakefile to build the FSO? |
| 07:16.48 | methril | nullpuppy yes |
| 07:16.52 | ferric | nullpuppy: yes, just the right git tree |
| 07:16.54 | paulproteus | OTOH ASU is more complicated and less stable. |
| 07:16.58 | nullpuppy | ok, which tree is that? |
| 07:16.59 | paulproteus | So maybe we should stick to 2007.2. |
| 07:17.05 | ferric | :-) |
| 07:17.08 | paulproteus | I've come to a new decision, which is 2007.2. (-: |
| 07:17.10 | ferric | paulproteus: lets sleep over it, yea? |
| 07:17.14 | paulproteus | Good idea (-: |
| 07:17.23 | paulproteus | tty in the morning |
| 07:17.30 | paulproteus | BTW, where are you? |
| 07:17.36 | methril | nullpuppy the git tree for OE is the git.openembedded.net |
| 07:18.26 | ferric | new york. |
| 07:18.27 | ferric | you? |
| 07:19.27 | paulproteus | San Fran |
| 07:19.27 | paulproteus | Happy Independence Day! |
| 07:19.41 | ferric | nullpuppy: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomakefile |
| 07:19.43 | ferric | paulproteus: you too! |
| 07:19.54 | nullpuppy | ferric: yup, reading that.... |
| 07:19.59 | ferric | nullpuppy: it doesn't say where the OM_GIT_BRANCH for FSO is :/ |
| 07:20.06 | nullpuppy | precisely ;) |
| 07:20.19 | ferric | rwhitby: poke? |
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| 07:20.29 | rwhitby | ferric: ouch |
| 07:20.35 | paulproteus | BTW, hi Ainulindale. |
| 07:20.53 | andrenarchy | morning |
| 07:21.12 | ferric | nullpuppy: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO#Repository_Checkout |
| 07:21.21 | ferric | rwhitby: where's the right git repo to use for FSO with MMF? |
| 07:21.29 | andrenarchy | does anybody know why pulster now sells the freerunner for 329 EUR instead of 299 EUR? |
| 07:21.35 | ferric | rwhitby: and sorry. :-) |
| 07:21.46 | paulproteus | ferric, Use org.openembedded.dev |
| 07:21.53 | paulproteus | + git.openmoko.org |
| 07:21.54 | nullpuppy | hmm, ok |
| 07:21.55 | drscream | mhh |
| 07:22.02 | ferric | oh aewsome. |
| 07:22.06 | paulproteus | MokoMakefile makes an fso-image fine - I just made one 30 minutes ago. |
| 07:22.09 | ferric | thanks paulproteus! |
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| 07:22.19 | ferric | nullpuppy: you hear that? |
| 07:22.24 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 07:22.36 | nullpuppy | so i just change the brange to oe.dev |
| 07:22.39 | nullpuppy | ok, cool |
| 07:22.49 | rwhitby | ferric: what paulproteus said |
| 07:22.49 | paulproteus | er, probably org.openmoko.dev |
| 07:22.51 | paulproteus | lemme re-check |
| 07:22.52 | nullpuppy | now, stupid question.. what does the default MMF build? |
| 07:22.52 | ferric | i need to get my buildbox up. |
| 07:23.01 | ferric | rwhitby: i'll update the wiki |
| 07:23.04 | paulproteus | ferric, You want an account on my buildbox? |
| 07:23.14 | nullpuppy | default branch is o.om.dev |
| 07:23.26 | paulproteus | OM_GIT_SITE := git.openmoko.org |
| 07:23.27 | paulproteus | OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.dev |
| 07:23.33 | paulproteus | That's what I used, and "make fso-image" built something. |
| 07:23.42 | paulproteus | I haven't tried running it yet! |
| 07:24.07 | paulproteus | ferric, If you want an account, PM or email me an SSH public key and I'll adduser you. |
| 07:24.16 | ferric | paulproteus: that might be a good idea. i need to pull my ubuntu box out of that cardboard box its sitting in, though. |
| 07:24.20 | rwhitby | there will be times where org.openembedded.dev will be more up to date than org.openmoko.dev for fso - if you can believe it, the fso guys are committing to the OE repo, not the OM repo. |
| 07:24.21 | ferric | paulproteus: sweet. |
| 07:24.32 | paulproteus | rwhitby, That's totally awesome. |
| 07:24.38 | ferric | rwhitby: why is that? |
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| 07:24.44 | rwhitby | ferric: no idea |
| 07:24.51 | paulproteus | It's for freesmartphone.org, not openmoko.org, that's why. (-: |
| 07:24.53 | rwhitby | probably cause fso is wider application than OM |
| 07:24.58 | ferric | we need to cut off their crack supply |
| 07:25.05 | paulproteus | ferric-- |
| 07:25.06 | nullpuppy | probably becuase oe is bigger then om and has a wider support base or somesuch |
| 07:25.11 | paulproteus | I plan to run FSO on my HTC devices (-: |
| 07:25.13 | rwhitby | e.g. mickey|zzZZzz did fso for moto phones ... |
| 07:25.37 | rwhitby | (in addition to OM) |
| 07:25.38 | ferric | okay, okay. free crack for all. |
| 07:25.48 | ferric | rwhitby: yeah, I saw his blog! |
| 07:25.50 | ferric | that is neat. |
| 07:26.04 | rwhitby | I'm waiting for the Treo650 port ... |
| 07:26.04 | paulproteus | rebuilds on org.oe.dev |
| 07:26.14 | ferric | that would rock. |
| 07:26.28 | nullpuppy | so.. is using org.oe.dev for everything prefered? (including stuff thats not FSO)? |
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| 07:27.54 | rwhitby | nullpuppy: no, other OM images will be more up to date in org.om.dev |
| 07:28.01 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 07:28.11 | nullpuppy | so, just change for fso, gotcha |
| 07:28.16 | rwhitby | they are two disparate branches which cherry pick from each other |
| 07:28.22 | nullpuppy | nods |
| 07:28.44 | roh | rwhitby we really need some graphs to document and explain all that trees and branches |
| 07:29.06 | roh | its easy once one knows what is where and why its abstracted that way, but we need to document it somehow |
| 07:29.19 | Wander_w | just a list of them with a short explanation will do as well |
| 07:29.22 | roh | i put FSO also into the roadmap |
| 07:29.30 | nullpuppy | yeah, that'd be useful |
| 07:29.38 | ferric | roh: now it all makes sense. |
| 07:29.39 | roh | just lets see it as a 'list of images' with links to some more information |
| 07:29.52 | roh | even if fso isnt developed in docs |
| 07:30.06 | nullpuppy | hrm. |
| 07:30.33 | ferric | roh: wouldn't the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories page be that? |
| 07:30.46 | nullpuppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:30.46 | roh | hm.. now where i know that fso is org.oe.dev and not org.om.dev that changes somethin.. also user-access control on git seems much more complicated than neccessary |
| 07:30.49 | ferric | except that it doesn't have ASU or FSO |
| 07:31.33 | roh | ;) |
| 07:31.38 | roh | bits are rotting fast |
| 07:32.06 | ferric | ;-) |
| 07:32.18 | ferric | I'll update it, if you think that's the right place |
| 07:33.18 | Ainulindale | paulproteus: Hi, sorry for the late answer :-) |
| 07:33.24 | Wander_w | nullpuppy: from what I hear, setting it to 0 might enable some future ways of hacking your system |
| 07:33.36 | nullpuppy | ah, ok |
| 07:33.56 | Wander_w | nullpuppy: and uhm... there was some other program that wanted it on 4096 don't know which program though |
| 07:34.22 | nullpuppy | k, guess i'll deal with that if i run into it then, otherwise, *shrugs* |
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| 07:37.00 | Wander_w | it was a pretty obscure program that required it on 4096, so it shouldn't be a problem |
| 07:37.10 | ferric | ok, really off to bed. |
| 07:37.17 | ferric | thanks paulproteus, roh! |
| 07:37.24 | ferric | Ainulindale: best of luck with your build. |
| 07:38.10 | roh | yeah.. good idea.. last cigarette |
| 07:38.23 | nullpuppy | hmmm, anyone built qemu on 64bit? |
| 07:38.24 | drscream | mhh |
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| 07:38.45 | paulproteus | Ainulindale, Glad to see you like this SHR idea. |
| 07:38.51 | Infinyte | Ohmaigawd |
| 07:38.52 | Infinyte | It's out |
| 07:38.53 | Infinyte | <3 |
| 07:39.06 | Ainulindale | paulproteus: I'm glad to be able to work with people who seem to know things better than me |
| 07:39.19 | Ainulindale | At least it should help me, and perhaps I could help others :-) |
| 07:39.23 | Infinyte | What's all this about battery life? >_> |
| 07:39.30 | paulproteus | Magnifique (-: |
| 07:39.38 | Ainulindale | Totalement magnifique oui. |
| 07:40.06 | Wander_w | Infinyte: it is not to be discussed |
| 07:40.12 | Infinyte | <_< |
| 07:40.15 | Infinyte | Ahh |
| 07:41.04 | Wander_w | totally open phone, you are just not allowed to talk about the battery life :P |
| 07:41.11 | Infinyte | xD |
| 07:41.23 | Infinyte | Well, can you access Youtube on it yet? |
| 07:42.13 | Wander_w | access it: yes, play the video's on it: I don't know |
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| 07:42.34 | Infinyte | Meh, actually that doesn't matter much to me. I'm wondering if I should buy it yet or not. >_> |
| 07:42.47 | Infinyte | I'm afraid it's going to sell out. :< |
| 07:43.02 | Wander_w | .... I thought it was allready sold out? |
| 07:43.09 | Wander_w | (at least the 900Mhz version) |
| 07:43.12 | Infinyte | In EU. |
| 07:43.14 | Infinyte | I'm in the US though |
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| 07:43.22 | Wander_w | lucky bastard :P |
| 07:43.25 | Infinyte | :D |
| 07:43.33 | Wander_w | happy independence day btw |
| 07:43.40 | Infinyte | Haha, thanke. |
| 07:43.45 | nezza-_- | wtf |
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| 07:45.00 | atul_ | /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc and /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic Hi this package is not available in my system How to install them any Idea ? |
| 07:45.01 | Ainulindale | Looks like booting |
| 07:45.25 | smhar | you are kidding me!!!!!!!! 900MHz is sold out!!!!!!! the world is not only europ and the states, there are other there too, you know... now what ? wait for another month? |
| 07:45.39 | Infinyte | So, hmm. As far as usability goes here at launch, how does the Freerunner compare to the iPhone? |
| 07:46.00 | Wander_w | Infinyte: depends on how you want to use it |
| 07:46.17 | Ainulindale | It booted. |
| 07:46.30 | Infinyte | Well for the most part I want to use it to read stuff while I'm at work. >_> |
| 07:46.31 | Wander_w | Infinyte: If you want to do what Apple allows you to do; then get the Iphone. Otherwise: get the freerunner |
| 07:46.33 | Ainulindale | But the touchscreen doesn't look like working. |
| 07:46.57 | Infinyte | Meh, I have an unnatural hatred toward Apple, so I won't touch that. >_> |
| 07:47.06 | Wander_w | then why ask?> |
| 07:47.35 | Infinyte | Well I'm just wondering if I should put it off till the next OpenMoko is released, or whatever phone the Android'll be on. |
| 07:48.03 | Infinyte | But then, I like the idea of supporting anything opensource. And Google's got enough cash.. |
| 07:48.58 | Ainulindale | Infinyte: I thought just the same |
| 07:49.13 | Infinyte | Erm, in reference to what? |
| 07:49.16 | Ainulindale | And then I told myself that I didn't care each and every part was functional as they'll be soon enough |
| 07:49.22 | Ainulindale | Infinyte: About waiting and so on |
| 07:49.23 | smhar | any news of when to get more 900 mhz FRs? |
| 07:49.25 | Infinyte | Ah |
| 07:49.36 | Infinyte | Yeah that's true. |
| 07:50.40 | Infinyte | Blah. >_> |
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| 07:52.14 | nullpuppy | hrm, ok, whats teh easiest way to cancel a MMF build? Ctrl+C doesn't want to work ;) |
| 07:52.14 | Infinyte | Erm.. >_> That's not good. |
| 07:52.15 | Infinyte | Error from the Hi Trust gateway: |
| 07:52.38 | Wander_w | nullpuppy: try ctrl-backslash |
| 07:53.06 | Infinyte | Oh I see. |
| 07:53.24 | nullpuppy | ah, thanks |
| 07:54.38 | nullpuppy | hrm, suck. |
| 07:54.48 | Wander_w | or blow |
| 07:54.49 | nullpuppy | i don't think qemu likes a 64bit env :( |
| 07:55.10 | nullpuppy | error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type |
| 07:57.04 | Ainulindale | nullpuppy: ainu@calaquendi ~/oe/stuff $ uname -a |
| 07:57.04 | Ainulindale | Linux calaquendi 2.6.24-gentoo-r3 #6 SMP Mon Jun 30 11:08:35 CEST 2008 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4800+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
| 07:57.18 | Ainulindale | And it works. |
| 07:57.23 | nullpuppy | Linux goliath 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP Wed Jun 18 14:15:37 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:57.26 | nullpuppy | hrm |
| 07:57.27 | nullpuppy | wtf then |
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| 07:58.20 | nullpuppy | are you using MMF? and did you change anything in the makefile or in local.conf? |
| 07:58.32 | Ainulindale | MMF ? |
| 07:58.38 | nullpuppy | mokomakefile |
| 07:59.06 | Ainulindale | I used it |
| 07:59.10 | Ainulindale | And =>BUILD_ARCH = "x86_64" |
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| 07:59.16 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 07:59.18 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 07:59.18 | Ainulindale | No problem with that. |
| 07:59.36 | BlackFog | morning |
| 07:59.41 | Ainulindale | Morning |
| 08:00.01 | methril | morning |
| 08:00.53 | *** part/#openmoko cydork (n=vihang@unaffiliated/cydork) |
| 08:01.17 | Wander_w | mornin |
| 08:01.45 | ozzloy | mornin (technically) |
| 08:02.11 | nullpuppy | so, wtf am i missing. hrm |
| 08:04.02 | nullpuppy | ah ha, found part of it, gnutls was apparently missing |
| 08:06.12 | smhar | nothing in the mailing list regatding the second batch pf 900mhz models, any one got info on this issue? please |
| 08:06.23 | HauDyrArb | smhar, the european resellers are shipping 900mhz already |
| 08:06.47 | Wander_w | like pulster beartech |
| 08:07.03 | Wander_w | s/r b/r, b |
| 08:07.22 | Wander_w | why doesn't that bot listen to me? |
| 08:07.54 | smhar | HauDyrArb, but they only sell to europ, I am in the middle ease, asia side, I was waiting for the openmoko store but it seems that all the models were sold to europ :-( |
| 08:09.05 | HauDyrArb | some of them do international shipping |
| 08:10.05 | smhar | HauDyrArb, not to Bahrain, I checked, international for them means the states :-( |
| 08:10.58 | HauDyrArb | hmm, then i hope the moko store will get 900mhz models |
| 08:12.38 | tunys | hey, how many 850 models left? |
| 08:12.58 | SpeedEvil | 250ish |
| 08:13.17 | smhar | otherwise, the only option will be to order from the europian distributores into my aramex shope-and-ship mail address in UK, but this means I will be paying the 'whatever they call it' tax for europians, which is around 19% of the price |
| 08:13.36 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4506 10/developers/erin_yueh/pythonEFL-sudoku/ (15 files in 6 dirs): add puzzle theme file and read a puzzle (Erin Yueh) |
| 08:14.08 | HauDyrArb | smhar, value-added tax |
| 08:14.43 | HauDyrArb | its annoying but what can you do |
| 08:14.45 | SpeedEvil | tunys: though this again is a number which has been entered into the store. It may not reflect the total number of phones avalable. |
| 08:14.56 | smhar | but why should it pay it? I will be transporting it out of UK and europ |
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| 08:14.59 | tunys | SpeedEvil, really? |
| 08:15.07 | SpeedEvil | tunys: yes |
| 08:15.12 | tunys | well that makes me so much more comfortable. |
| 08:15.35 | tunys | I may even get in some sleep tonight :) |
| 08:15.40 | HauDyrArb | smhar, i think i was lucky i only paid 19% in my contry its 25% |
| 08:16.43 | nullpuppy | hrm, has anyone used qemu and the mokomakefile on ubuntu 64bit? |
| 08:16.44 | SpeedEvil | tunys: Selling has slowed down by about half in the last 12 hours. |
| 08:17.05 | SpeedEvil | tunys: if it speeds up to the original rate, it'll sell out about 12h from now. |
| 08:17.05 | nullpuppy | qemu is failing to build because ar can't find cutils.o, though it does exist... |
| 08:17.13 | SpeedEvil | Of course, it could go way up. |
| 08:17.27 | tunys | SpeedEvil, well, here's the thing |
| 08:17.39 | tunys | I'm about to make big money |
| 08:17.41 | tunys | big for me |
| 08:17.45 | tunys | so $600 |
| 08:17.48 | SpeedEvil | Congrats. |
| 08:17.52 | tunys | i currently have $125 |
| 08:17.53 | tunys | thanks! |
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| 08:18.18 | tunys | so I asked my parents if they could spot me about 300 |
| 08:18.28 | tunys | long story short... "no" |
| 08:18.48 | tunys | now this big money is coming from a commission |
| 08:18.56 | tunys | I have to write a little web app |
| 08:19.15 | SpeedEvil | It's likely more will be along soon. |
| 08:19.16 | tunys | so the money will come in probably a month from now |
| 08:19.33 | tunys | really? |
| 08:19.46 | tunys | Ooh, I might get sleep in tomorrow night! |
| 08:20.10 | SpeedEvil | Well - the intention has been that they will be available in more than a little batch. |
| 08:20.31 | smhar | anyone has the link which has the software images for the freerunner, I am trying to show off in front of my wife :-) |
| 08:21.38 | tunys | smhar, yes |
| 08:21.56 | tunys | http://www.openmoko.com/product-gallery.html |
| 08:21.58 | tunys | some right there |
| 08:22.24 | tunys | smhar's wife: it's worth it, your husband will learn a lot |
| 08:23.13 | tunys | smhar's wife: he'll even do extra chores for you if you buy it for him |
| 08:23.17 | tunys | :) |
| 08:23.33 | smhar | :-) |
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| 08:24.51 | Wander_w | how about "shut up woman and make me some pie" ? |
| 08:25.00 | Wander_w | works for me |
| 08:25.23 | Ainulindale | Hmmmm |
| 08:25.27 | Ainulindale | | /home/ainu/oe/stuff/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/python: can't open file 'setup.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory |
| 08:25.33 | Ainulindale | Goood, gooood. |
| 08:25.59 | flexd | wtf, my fr wont boot :/ |
| 08:26.09 | *** join/#openmoko BDo (n=bdonnett@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net) |
| 08:26.19 | polz | hmm.. why does the page show screenshots of the old, GTK UI ? :> |
| 08:26.45 | Ainulindale | For zhone. |
| 08:27.04 | flexd | Its just... not doing anything |
| 08:27.18 | Wander_w | is it charged? |
| 08:27.25 | Ainulindale | That's your reward for having received it before me flexd ! :-) |
| 08:27.28 | nullpuppy | hrm, well this is frustrating |
| 08:27.31 | flexd | Its been in the charger all night |
| 08:27.31 | flexd | so yea |
| 08:27.36 | nullpuppy | can't get qemu to build :( |
| 08:28.05 | flexd | It was connected by usb to my debian box last night, but turned itself off (it was charging when connected), and i plugged it in the charger |
| 08:28.12 | Ainulindale | nullpuppy: log ? |
| 08:28.25 | nullpuppy | one moment, rebuilding |
| 08:28.53 | flexd | Should i take the battery out and in again+ |
| 08:28.58 | Wander_w | flexd: did you toy with it? (e.g. install new software?) |
| 08:29.06 | Wander_w | flexd: that's what I'd do |
| 08:29.09 | flexd | installed gps sight |
| 08:29.14 | flexd | but that shouldnt matter right? |
| 08:29.24 | Wander_w | if it's just an app, no |
| 08:29.41 | flexd | its just an app yea |
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| 08:29.52 | Wander_w | NOTE: Running task 6136 of 6139 wooot |
| 08:30.11 | flexd | Uhm |
| 08:30.16 | flexd | I press the power button |
| 08:30.17 | flexd | i hear |
| 08:30.19 | flexd | "psh" |
| 08:30.21 | flexd | from the speakers |
| 08:30.24 | flexd | speaker* |
| 08:30.27 | flexd | and then nothing |
| 08:30.33 | Wander_w | hmmm |
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| 08:30.40 | polz | flexd: did you remove the USB cable ? |
| 08:30.43 | flexd | wait nvm, now it boots |
| 08:30.48 | flexd | polz: i did, |
| 08:30.51 | flexd | booting again now |
| 08:30.57 | nullpuppy | Ainulindale: well then.. nevermind. after running make clean manually in the qemu-neo1973 dir and make clean-qemu, seems to be buidling properly finaly |
| 08:31.01 | flexd | removed usb + took battery out and put in again |
| 08:31.02 | polz | flexd: you're not supposed to remove the battery if it's still plugged into the USB |
| 08:31.17 | flexd | polz: i removed the usb, THEN the battery.. |
| 08:31.20 | Wander_w | polz: huh? why not? |
| 08:31.21 | flexd | Not that stupid :p |
| 08:31.33 | flexd | Wander_w: because the usb is a charger? |
| 08:31.37 | Wander_w | so? |
| 08:31.51 | flexd | disconnecting stuff with power connected is generally a bad idea. |
| 08:32.01 | flexd | You dont go tampering inside your computer with the power still connected do you? ;) |
| 08:32.18 | Wander_w | yeah it is a stupid idea.. but the hardware should be able to deal with it |
| 08:32.29 | flexd | Wander_w: But let's assume it doesnt, and play it safe. |
| 08:33.23 | Ainulindale | nullpuppy: nice then :-) |
| 08:33.29 | Wander_w | flexd: ah "assume" nevermind then, I thought it was "If you take out the battery with USB attached, you will distroy you moko" |
| 08:33.43 | nullpuppy | yup ;) |
| 08:33.55 | nullpuppy | currently grabbing pre-built uImage looks like |
| 08:34.05 | nullpuppy | erm, nope, rootfs, uImage already done |
| 08:34.39 | Ainulindale | Well, can't build zhone from fso current |
| 08:34.52 | Wander_w | NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 6139 tasks of which 2498 didn't need to be rerun and 0 failed. |
| 08:34.55 | flexd | by the way, do i have to flash uImage each time too? Is that part of everything? |
| 08:34.59 | Wander_w | does a little dance |
| 08:35.11 | nullpuppy | k. at the moment, i'm just trying to get a base something going to play with. |
| 08:35.32 | nullpuppy | gonna take a little time to wrap my head around the way everything is setup and what all is needed for what, etc... |
| 08:37.45 | smhar | the uk dist says there will be a new batch in July 18, will the openmoko store offer them in the same time too? |
| 08:39.00 | SpeedEvil | passes smhar the official magic-8-ball. |
| 08:39.24 | Wander_w | the magic 8-ball says: matbe |
| 08:39.26 | Wander_w | Maybe |
| 08:42.44 | roh | made http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/roadmap a bit more detailed |
| 08:42.46 | nullpuppy | woo, qemu functions |
| 08:43.06 | nullpuppy | boots? huh |
| 08:43.47 | gmaxwell | oohhh /. |
| 08:46.59 | nullpuppy | huh. can't launch anything. either its going sloooooow, it's broken, or somethings missing... |
| 08:47.37 | flexd | weird. |
| 08:47.42 | tunys | Or you're running it in qemu. |
| 08:47.44 | flexd | nullpuppy: qemu is always sloooooooooow |
| 08:47.59 | Ainulindale | nullpuppy: last build I did touchscreen wasn't working |
| 08:48.06 | nullpuppy | well, yeah, i know that ;) |
| 08:48.09 | flexd | nullpuppy: it's like trying to climb a steep hill covered in tar and feathers, while someone has attached a car to your left leg. |
| 08:48.19 | nullpuppy | Ainulindale: this is using prebuilt stuff directly from om ... :/ |
| 08:48.24 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 08:48.25 | Ainulindale | Oh |
| 08:48.26 | flexd | + add more stupid scenarios! |
| 08:48.28 | Ainulindale | It worked for me |
| 08:48.30 | flexd | but wth :( |
| 08:48.33 | nullpuppy | huh |
| 08:48.48 | flexd | suddenly i got kicked off ssh on the neo, and now it says "network unreachable" |
| 08:48.55 | nullpuppy | i get backlight changing notifications in teh console when i click in it |
| 08:49.09 | nullpuppy | or let it sit idle |
| 08:50.08 | Wander_w | same here |
| 08:50.19 | *** topic/#openmoko by TAsn -> The Openmoko store is open (sold out of 900MHz(european) FreeRunner). Some distributors have already delivered phones. |Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | Battery life = not to be discussed just yet :) |
| 08:50.33 | TAsn | there was a ) missing ;) |
| 08:53.37 | goodwill | Ainulindale: did you ever manage to build fso? |
| 08:54.58 | goodwill | Thats right...my FR has been ordered!!! |
| 08:55.13 | Ainulindale | goodwill: yep |
| 08:55.16 | Ainulindale | I built it |
| 08:55.18 | Ainulindale | But as I said |
| 08:55.22 | Ainulindale | Touchscreen wasn't working |
| 08:55.37 | Ainulindale | And weirdly enough I couldn't do anything on qemu |
| 08:57.00 | goodwill | Ainulindale: its not building for me |
| 08:57.07 | *** join/#openmoko pleemans (n=peter@d51A5E76A.access.telenet.be) |
| 08:57.15 | Ainulindale | Why ? |
| 08:57.19 | goodwill | | gobject-generate-constants >> constants.py |
| 08:57.20 | goodwill | | /bin/sh: gobject-generate-constants: command not found |
| 08:57.25 | Ainulindale | Right now I just updated and tried to rebuild |
| 08:57.31 | *** join/#openmoko jamewill (n=jamewill@79-69-233-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 08:57.31 | Ainulindale | And it didn't find setup.py |
| 08:57.33 | goodwill | python-pygobject-native is broken it seems |
| 08:57.52 | Ainulindale | did you try to rebuild it ? |
| 08:57.57 | goodwill | twice |
| 08:58.20 | Wander_w | Ainulindale: qemu doesn't do anything for me either |
| 08:58.25 | Wander_w | just sits there |
| 08:58.34 | *** join/#openmoko tessier (n=treed@kernel-panic/sex-machines) |
| 08:58.36 | Wander_w | saying "no network" |
| 08:58.51 | tessier | So I just tried to buy the 850Mhz phone for the US. |
| 08:58.53 | Ainulindale | can you do ctrl alt 1/2 ? |
| 08:59.08 | tunys | tessier, and? |
| 08:59.20 | tessier | I put in my credit card number and everything. Then I confirmed the info. Then it says "error from the hitrust gateway" and my options were to re-submit or go back to the openmoko page. |
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| 08:59.30 | tessier | Now I don't know if the order went through, if I might accidentally order two, or what. |
| 08:59.34 | d3vice | g'morning |
| 08:59.56 | jamewill | tessier, there was a list email about this... |
| 09:00.10 | tessier | jamewill: I'm not on at list I guess. Do you recall what it said? |
| 09:00.27 | jamewill | tessier, either use a non hitrust card or phone your card holder to allow overseas payments.... can't recall exact |
| 09:00.33 | tessier | I did sign up for some openmoko announcement list expecting to be notified when it went on sale but didn't get anything. |
| 09:00.44 | tessier | Oh...this is being charged from overseas? |
| 09:00.53 | tessier | Let me try a different card. I just hope I don't end up with two. |
| 09:01.36 | Wander_w | Ainulindale: will try that as soon as I get a qemu image up and running again |
| 09:03.09 | jamewill | tessier, for more see thread started harry tsai 9 hours ago on community list |
| 09:04.02 | tunys | tessier, how about three? :D |
| 09:04.28 | *** join/#openmoko atul (n=qvantel@61.16.248.242) |
| 09:04.38 | tessier | You've just purchased this |
| 09:04.38 | tessier | 1x Neo FreeRunner - GSM 850 |
| 09:04.40 | tessier | woohoo! |
| 09:04.44 | Wander_w | wqoot |
| 09:05.15 | tessier | I ordered it with 3 day shipping so I should get it in time to show off at the LUG meeting this Thursday! |
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| 09:06.22 | tessier | Any idea why it isn't quad-band? Is that harder to do? That's the nice thing about standards: So many to choose from! |
| 09:06.31 | tessier | I'm going to Vietnam for almost 3 weeks and won't be able to use my phone there. |
| 09:07.16 | tessier | Only other thing I can say it's lacking is a camera. But all in good time, I'm sure. |
| 09:07.46 | smhar | If I order from germany to uk, then the package was mailed from uk to outside EU, will I be refunderd the EU Tax? |
| 09:07.58 | tunys | tessier, probably better |
| 09:08.03 | tunys | If I want a camera, i buy a camera |
| 09:08.10 | tunys | if I want a phone, i buy a phone |
| 09:08.16 | tunys | specifically, a FreeRunner |
| 09:08.34 | tessier | tunys: If get into a car accident (such as my co-worker did a few weeks ago) I like to be able to take pics immediately. |
| 09:08.45 | Wander_w | tessier you could run a propper webcam with your moko :) |
| 09:08.47 | tessier | I also like to be able to take pics of cables and serial numbers and screenshots etc in the datacenter. |
| 09:09.12 | tessier | That's why having a camera in your phone is nice: You always carry the phone. But you very rarely carry a dedicated digital camera. So when you need a camera you don't have one. |
| 09:09.20 | Wander_w | Ainulindale: yeah ctrl-alt-2 works |
| 09:09.29 | tunys | I'd keep a camera in your car |
| 09:09.31 | tessier | Wander_w: Sure, if I wanted to carry around another piece of hardware and had the software on the moko to run it |
| 09:09.36 | tunys | well... |
| 09:09.42 | tunys | I'd keep one in mine if I had a car |
| 09:09.48 | flexd | tunys: get one of those small creditcard sized digital cams? |
| 09:10.00 | tunys | I wouldn't keep a camera in YOUR car, that's kind of your responsibility |
| 09:10.04 | tunys | flexd, I have on |
| 09:10.06 | tunys | one |
| 09:10.08 | tunys | i love it :D |
| 09:10.10 | flexd | btw |
| 09:10.17 | flexd | err nvm |
| 09:10.30 | Ainulindale | Wander_w: didn't work for me :-/ |
| 09:10.31 | tessier | I guess 3G instead of 2.5G is also something one could wish for but I've already read something about why it's 2.5G |
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| 09:11.00 | Wander_w | Ainulindale: hmm |
| 09:11.04 | Ainulindale | tessier: url ? |
| 09:11.06 | flexd | what's the command to get the FR on wlan? i tried iwconfig eth0 essid "myaccesspoint", doesnt seem to connect |
| 09:11.12 | Ainulindale | for the "why it's 2.5G" |
| 09:11.16 | piti | hi there |
| 09:11.18 | Wander_w | Ainulindale: but what am I supposed to do with that ctrl-alt-2 screen? |
| 09:12.06 | Ainulindale | Wander_w: it's where you can, for example, activate the usb connection |
| 09:12.14 | Ainulindale | (usb_add gadget:1) |
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| 09:12.19 | Ainulindale | (which will be detected on the host) |
| 09:12.23 | Wander_w | Ainulindale: I just want to play with the GUI |
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| 09:13.38 | Ainulindale | Wander_w: oh ok |
| 09:13.55 | tessier | Ainulindale: Mostly cost and people don't really use the 3g stuff that much anyway. Better to get something capable and open out the door first. Then maybe when the costs come down some more they'll do a quad-band 3G camera-phone setup |
| 09:13.57 | Wander_w | but that gui just says there is no network connection |
| 09:15.29 | Ainulindale | Wander_w: phone network ? |
| 09:15.38 | Wander_w | Ainulindale: I guess so |
| 09:15.40 | Ainulindale | Wander_w: or network as in ip ? |
| 09:15.57 | Ainulindale | Does it seem weird to you that your emulator has no phone network ? :-) |
| 09:15.58 | tessier | If they are already sold out of the 900Mhz version how many did they have to sell in the first place? |
| 09:16.00 | Wander_w | Ainulindale: I don't know for sure, but there is a phone icon on it |
| 09:16.34 | Wander_w | Ainulindale: it seems weird that I can't choose to ignore that there is no network |
| 09:16.39 | XorA | tessier: remember a whole lot of the 900Mhz went direct to distributers |
| 09:16.55 | Ainulindale | well, zhone won't build |
| 09:16.56 | XorA | tessier: the main path for sales for .eu is the official distributers |
| 09:16.56 | Ainulindale | /home/ainu/oe/stuff/org.openembedded.dev/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/python: can't open file 'setup.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory |
| 09:17.01 | tessier | XorA: And not many of the 850's did? |
| 09:17.05 | tessier | XorA: ah |
| 09:17.15 | Ainulindale | Anybody knows why zhone won't build ? :-/ |
| 09:17.21 | tessier | XorA: They couldn't get US distributors? Probably because of how locked up the big guys have the US phone market |
| 09:17.42 | methril | Ainulindale, try to get it from git manually |
| 09:17.57 | XorA | tessier: AFAIK FIC already had US capability and OpenMoko just re-used that, they didnt have that for the .eu |
| 09:18.21 | Ainulindale | methril: I'll do that but i was wondering why it did that |
| 09:18.40 | tessier | XorA: Already had US capability? What does that have to do with 900Mhz phones selling out because they went directly to distributors in .eu? |
| 09:19.04 | methril | go to that folder: tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/zhone-0.0.0+gitr900105c27bd176fdca4e8f896b2c8221181491de-r6/ |
| 09:19.11 | methril | rm -rf git |
| 09:19.14 | XorA | tessier: the 850 phones I think more of them went to the shop than 900 becuse the 900 went to distributers |
| 09:19.32 | tessier | XorA: So why didn't 850 phones go to US distributors? |
| 09:19.47 | XorA | tessier: because OM already had their own distribution center |
| 09:19.57 | methril | git clone git://git.freesmartphone.org/zhone.git;protocol=git;branch=master git |
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| 09:20.19 | tessier | XorA: But they needed phones to send to that distribution center. |
| 09:20.19 | nighthawk06 | is there an installation for HTC-Harmoni ? |
| 09:20.57 | jamewill | tessier, 900 phones are no good in USA, no need to send them there.... |
| 09:21.24 | tessier | jamewill: I know that. |
| 09:21.31 | TAsn | jamewill, what about canadians? |
| 09:21.37 | TAsn | or mexicans? |
| 09:21.46 | gmaxwell | well they are not "no good" in north america.. just less good |
| 09:21.48 | TAsn | what are they supposed to do? |
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| 09:21.55 | gmaxwell | they still support 1800/1900 |
| 09:21.57 | tessier | So the 900Mhz phones went to .eu distributors, 850Mhz phones went to FIC's distributors... |
| 09:21.58 | jamewill | TAsn, look at the info on openmoko.com |
| 09:22.10 | tessier | So...why did the 900Mhz phones sell out? :) Just wondering. |
| 09:22.11 | Wander_w | the canadians should just listen to celine dion |
| 09:22.17 | TAsn | jamewill, really? all of north america? not just us? |
| 09:22.23 | tessier | Wander_w: And root for "Le Coq" |
| 09:22.32 | XorA | tessier: obviously more linux hackers in .eu than .us |
| 09:22.52 | TAsn | XorA, linear to the population i guess ;) |
| 09:22.54 | tessier | XorA: Any idea how many phones have actually been sold? |
| 09:23.12 | XorA | tessier: no idea, I havent even seen official figures of how many we made yet |
| 09:23.21 | gmaxwell | 900mhz phones have been selling for days now, via distributors in europe.. no doubt why they are sold out. |
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| 09:25.50 | Wander_w | then... why didn't they make more phones? |
| 09:26.14 | SpeedEvil | They will |
| 09:26.22 | nullpuppy | unforseen demand? |
| 09:26.38 | gmaxwell | Wander_w, it's not like they can appear overnight. :) |
| 09:26.47 | nullpuppy | shrugs |
| 09:26.50 | methril | steve, give us a official new batch for the 900 phones |
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| 09:26.59 | methril | :) |
| 09:27.17 | nullpuppy | ok, i think i'm gonna head to bed. |
| 09:27.32 | nullpuppy | and let the devel image build overnight |
| 09:27.44 | Ainulindale | nullpuppy: overnight*s* |
| 09:27.48 | Ainulindale | :-p |
| 09:27.55 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 09:28.06 | nullpuppy | i think i can handle that, tomorrow is gonna be a busy day |
| 09:28.16 | methril | night nullpuppy |
| 09:28.21 | nullpuppy | night |
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| 09:45.15 | Wander_w | openmoko is mentioned on slashdot.org: http://mobile.slashdot.org/mobile/08/07/04/0411233.shtml |
| 09:46.02 | tunys | XorA, It's because of Mandriva :P |
| 09:46.27 | tunys | Wander_w, oh noes! |
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| 09:58.11 | tessier | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/020394.html |
| 09:58.35 | tessier | This says the 900 isn't sold out: they only had the 850 in stock. |
| 10:01.58 | Wander_w | so where did the 900's goto? |
| 10:02.12 | Mek | to european resellers? |
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| 10:03.09 | Wander_w | all of them? |
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| 10:06.52 | cozub | Mek: might have; funny part is they say their stock is sold out too (well, at leastpulster.de says so) |
| 10:07.25 | gambler | what s the story...how bad is the battery life |
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| 10:07.56 | HauDyrArb | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery |
| 10:07.57 | Wander_w | I didn't read any stories about gta02 (freerunner) battery life |
| 10:08.00 | mjr | reportedly someone has done at least 21 hours mostly in suspend on the gta01 |
| 10:08.36 | mjr | quite a bit more should be attainable |
| 10:09.11 | gambler | HauDyrArb, that link doesnt work |
| 10:10.01 | HauDyrArb | try and copy paste it |
| 10:10.03 | gambler | oops |
| 10:10.15 | gambler | xchat concatnated it at FreeRunner for some reaso |
| 10:10.25 | flexd | uhm, has anyone got agps ui Hmm |
| 10:10.28 | HauDyrArb | my xchat also have problems with the link |
| 10:10.32 | flexd | anyone here tried GPS Sight before? |
| 10:10.51 | flexd | it just closes on me hmm |
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| 10:11.37 | smhar | I noticed that the openmoko store is actually us.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner ! does this mean that international units will only be available in us mdels (850mhz)? |
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| 10:12.35 | flexd | smhar: there are no 900mhz models left atm i think? read topic. |
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| 10:16.24 | HauDyrArb | i like that part in topic that says Dont discuss battery life! :-) |
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| 10:18.08 | Wander_w | yeah, what IS the battery life like anyway? |
| 10:18.57 | smhar | flexd, did they ever offer them direct from openmoko in the first place? or did they give them all to EU distributors? |
| 10:19.26 | HauDyrArb | i think its sitting in the corner shivering |
| 10:20.17 | Wander_w | awww... poort battery life |
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| 10:22.38 | flexd | smhar: i dunno, i got it trough a group order |
| 10:22.46 | flexd | but anyway |
| 10:23.01 | flexd | Whats up with buildhost? opkg update is getting 404's on Packages.sig (4 places) |
| 10:23.08 | flexd | I can't install stuff :( |
| 10:23.39 | XorA | buildhost doesnt make Packages.sig files |
| 10:24.36 | smhar | flexd, you got the 900 model group pack direct from openmoko? |
| 10:24.41 | flexd | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/Packages.sig |
| 10:24.51 | flexd | smhar: im not sure where we ordered from, but it's a 900 yea |
| 10:25.18 | flexd | XorA: opkg is complaining that file doesnt exist. |
| 10:26.44 | XorA | flexd: I already answered that |
| 10:27.46 | flexd | XorA: yeah i understand that it doesnt make it, but does that mean opkg wont work, or does it mean it's configured wrong and is supposed to get that file from somewhere else? |
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| 10:28.16 | flexd | Im gonna go read on the wiki :) |
| 10:28.28 | XorA | flexd: sounds like a bug in oipkg |
| 10:28.38 | XorA | I think it should warn you feed is unsigned |
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| 10:29.05 | flexd | hmm |
| 10:29.10 | ginger | hey all |
| 10:29.29 | ginger | just been looking at the wiki and had a question about the freerunner |
| 10:29.32 | flexd | Im not able to do opkg search "blah" either, just returns nothing. But if i do opkg list it lists tons of stuff.. weird |
| 10:30.40 | ginger | does the platform offer direct access to the protocol stack or RF module? I.e. can I interrogate for measured signal levels (RxLev and RxQual for example) or to get info from the GSM control channels - e.g. cell ID? |
| 10:31.27 | mjr | you get only what at gives you |
| 10:31.53 | ginger | ah, OK :( |
| 10:32.01 | flexd | heh now opkg seems to work, installing stuff atleast. |
| 10:32.05 | flexd | Earlier it would just freeze. |
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| 10:33.01 | ginger | is that a hardware fix in the chipset? I mean, would it need a complete reflash to get access to the more detailed info? |
| 10:33.50 | ginger | or is there some, aaaaaah, scope for improving the situation? |
| 10:34.51 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * rfa50399e6006 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [callscreen] Stop guessing when a call is hold/resumed and wait for the signal |
| 10:34.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * rdfe70a664356 10/src/server/phone/callscreen/semithemed/callscreen.cpp: [callscreen] Fix state transition on multiparty call I |
| 10:34.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * red4f9aa6e773 10/src/server/phone/callscreen/semithemed/callscreen.cpp: [callscreen] Fix state transition on multiparty call I |
| 10:36.59 | ginger | thinking that it might be possible to write a walk test tool or something similar with this |
| 10:38.13 | mjr | ginger, there is the leaked specs for the ti calypso, which might give you access to undocumented at commands and such, but that's about it, realistically |
| 10:39.01 | ginger | ok, cool - thanks mjr, I'll have a looksie to see what I can find |
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| 10:40.40 | mjr | (wasit on cryptome) |
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| 10:59.01 | flexd | Doesnt the FR save settings? |
| 10:59.16 | flexd | contacts and stuff, wlan settings, etc? |
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| 11:06.15 | gleaner | hi |
| 11:06.42 | flexd | hi |
| 11:07.14 | gleaner | anyone envision a quad band world type phone from openmoko? |
| 11:07.24 | gleaner | i sit a practical idea? |
| 11:08.40 | gleaner | given the shifting technological landscape? |
| 11:08.41 | Wander_w | loads of people envision it and it's a practical idea. But there is no official word from FIC if, where and when this will be included |
| 11:08.51 | gleaner | hmmm |
| 11:09.10 | gleaner | w-cdma is out I suppose? |
| 11:09.34 | Wander_w | I don't even know what that is |
| 11:09.49 | mjr | yeah, it's unclear if 03 will be full quad |
| 11:09.50 | gleaner | emerging standard |
| 11:10.02 | mjr | you mean wcdma as used in umts? |
| 11:10.10 | gleaner | germany |
| 11:10.18 | gleaner | ?? |
| 11:10.26 | gleaner | 2100 |
| 11:10.27 | mjr | wcdma is just the modulation, doesn't really spesify other stuff |
| 11:10.33 | mjr | but yes, you mean umts then |
| 11:10.36 | gleaner | yes |
| 11:10.51 | Wander_w | oh why don't you just say umts then |
| 11:10.55 | gleaner | Im confused then thanks.... |
| 11:11.08 | Wander_w | your welkcome |
| 11:11.16 | gleaner | ; |
| 11:11.32 | mjr | no umts for gta03, and there are problems with getting usably open chipsets |
| 11:11.32 | gleaner | happy to se this thing on the market: FreeRunner |
| 11:11.54 | gleaner | mjr this was what I figured |
| 11:12.05 | TAsn | gleaner, it's not actually on the market, everything (900 mhz) is sold out :) |
| 11:12.09 | Wander_w | meh... wifi is good enough for me |
| 11:12.10 | TAsn | was on the market though ;) |
| 11:12.23 | mjr | one hopes the situation improves while they do the 03, and that umts can be included in gta04 (when eventually they'll do that) |
| 11:12.31 | gleaner | TAsn I live now in canada so I think th e850 will work for me now |
| 11:12.41 | TAsn | gleaner, damn you :) |
| 11:12.47 | gleaner | ` |
| 11:12.49 | gleaner | ~ |
| 11:13.11 | gleaner | I want to check if rogers comm will accept the phone |
| 11:13.15 | Wander_w | I thought you said you were from germany? |
| 11:13.20 | gleaner | before laying out the money |
| 11:13.31 | gleaner | I was there for a while |
| 11:13.36 | gleaner | now in canada |
| 11:13.46 | gleaner | curious about the future |
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| 11:15.08 | gleaner | alas there are other issues to overcome here in canada....like very expensive plans |
| 11:15.17 | gleaner | and closed phones |
| 11:15.43 | Wander_w | well... the closed phones issue is somewhat solved now |
| 11:16.01 | gleaner | yeah but on cdma networks in canada |
| 11:16.12 | gleaner | so this is why Id like toswitch |
| 11:16.21 | mjr | yeah NA seems pretty fucked up as far as mobile carriers go |
| 11:16.50 | Wander_w | yeah, I think "fucked up" is the technical term for it :) |
| 11:16.54 | gleaner | yep it is though verizon is apparently seeing the light and the future |
| 11:18.14 | gleaner | it's easy enough to open up a cdma phone yourself ...but if it isnt branded Telus in canada they wont let you put it on their network, and no user has ever gone up against them in court |
| 11:18.28 | gleaner | afaik |
| 11:18.31 | gleaner | sad |
| 11:18.35 | gleaner | I had hopes |
| 11:20.00 | TAsn | gleaner, trust on one ;0 |
| 11:20.13 | gleaner | hmmm |
| 11:20.26 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * rf8a74033327e 10/src/libraries/qtopiaphonemodem/qmodemcall.cpp: [gsm] Stop guessing when a call has been answered. |
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| 11:21.41 | TAsn | on=no |
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| 11:21.58 | zash | "Stop guessing when a call has been answered." |
| 11:22.02 | zash | haha |
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| 11:25.17 | gleaner | well carryon folks! and happy hacking! |
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| 11:32.19 | tunys | What the hells is CIA-46 for? |
| 11:33.36 | TAsn | tunys, spam |
| 11:33.48 | TAsn | he is just annoying ;) |
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| 11:34.06 | Ainulindale | What should I do in order to redownload sources of a package with bitbake or anything else ? |
| 11:34.10 | Wander_w | kicks CIA-46 |
| 11:34.10 | CIA-46 | ow |
| 11:34.21 | tunys | does the person who owns him have a purpose in mind for him? |
| 11:34.23 | TAsn | now it is calm, sometimes it fills the chan with crap. |
| 11:34.28 | zash | ehm, /ignore |
| 11:34.36 | TAsn | tunys, no one owns him. |
| 11:34.46 | TAsn | he always was here and always will be |
| 11:35.05 | Wander_w | he should be named CIA-42 |
| 11:35.08 | TAsn | when the first OM came here it already was. |
| 11:35.10 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 11:35.14 | TAsn | Wander_w, hehe yeah :) |
| 11:35.26 | TAsn | Wander_w, though it does not now any answers. |
| 11:35.39 | TAsn | CIA-46, what is the OM battery-life? |
| 11:35.40 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 11:35.42 | Wander_w | well.. except for the one true anwser to everything |
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| 11:36.15 | TAsn | Wander_w, it doesn't know that, the answer is only implied by it's nick... |
| 11:36.37 | Wander_w | how do you know it doesn't know? |
| 11:36.43 | TAsn | I'm off, getting myself something to eat. |
| 11:37.00 | TAsn | Wander_w, I don't, I'm also a bot who doesn't no nothing :) |
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| 11:43.22 | Ainulindale | methril: do you happen to know if I'm supposed to build fso with DISTRO="openmoko" ? |
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| 11:44.48 | methril | i have that distro in my local.conf |
| 11:45.12 | Ainulindale | Ok |
| 11:45.21 | Ainulindale | And for zhone, I did refetch the sources, but same problem |
| 11:45.24 | Ainulindale | No setup.py |
| 11:46.00 | methril | yes, i don't kwno why, i think that it's the git rev taht doesn't have the file |
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| 11:46.10 | methril | setup.py |
| 11:46.25 | Ainulindale | so is there a way I could build the image without this package ? |
| 11:46.50 | methril | when it borkes, i went to the folder and downloaded the lastest git repo :) |
| 11:46.55 | methril | and it works |
| 11:47.10 | Ainulindale | Tried, with no success |
| 11:47.24 | methril | i'll help you |
| 11:47.47 | Ainulindale | AS my DISTRO was angstrom, I have the full rebuild to do first... :-/ |
| 11:48.31 | methril | i don't know, openmoko inherits a lot of things from angstrom |
| 11:48.34 | methril | i don't thing so |
| 11:48.37 | methril | try to build |
| 11:48.46 | Ainulindale | that's what I'm doing |
| 11:48.50 | methril | :) |
| 11:48.52 | Ainulindale | And looks as if it rebuilds everything |
| 11:49.06 | Ainulindale | NOTE: Running task 130 of 3247 <= |
| 11:49.08 | methril | yes, it builds all the version dependencies |
| 11:49.26 | methril | but most of them are not build, are only checking that all the steps are done |
| 11:49.34 | Ainulindale | oh ok |
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| 11:55.03 | Wander_w | so now it's only 2 days of building instead of 2 weeks :P |
| 11:56.48 | Wander_w | methril: do you build gta02 images or gta01 images? |
| 11:57.11 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * rbbff5d3838d2 10/src/libraries/qtopiacomm/serial/qatchat.cpp: Revert "[gsm] Micro-optimasation to answer phonecalls faster" |
| 11:57.36 | Ainulindale | methril: I confirm, it rebuilds everything... |
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| 12:00.40 | methril | gta02 |
| 12:01.09 | Wander_w | methril: cool, is that just the setting in local.conf? |
| 12:02.15 | methril | by default? |
| 12:02.27 | methril | or if it's only there? |
| 12:02.57 | methril | i'm trying to build qemu (but it makes for gta01) |
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| 12:03.58 | Wander_w | methril: yeah, I am also trying to build a GTA02 qemu |
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| 12:17.30 | Blalien | Hi all |
| 12:17.45 | Bumbl | hi |
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| 12:17.55 | Blalien | Could someone tell me how well Navit works on the Freerunner? |
| 12:19.29 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r344d50f29e50 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the kernel to the latest stable kernel |
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| 12:20.06 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rdcb80f67d7c8 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Get the callscreen state transition fixes from Qtopia |
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| 12:20.09 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf41dc0c4522a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia. Revert micro optimisation and improved callhandling |
| 12:21.13 | aquarius | Who would I talk to at OpenMoko about goodies to give away at a conference? |
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| 12:23.50 | Bumbl | aquarius: post it on the mailinglist; i think steve is the one to be contacted |
| 12:24.10 | aquarius | right, cheers. :) |
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| 12:26.04 | ConfidentiaL | so from the community updates, it says that in the EU you buy freerunner from resellers, does that mean that the openmoko store will not ship to EU? |
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| 12:28.02 | diego_at_work | ConfidentiaL, you can buy us version from online if you prefer |
| 12:28.41 | diego_at_work | but I suggest to you to buy from a reseller if you live in EU. I see no reason to do otherwise |
| 12:29.27 | ConfidentiaL | well, it's the 900Mhz I need, but the resellers are more expensive than the openmoko store if the 900Mhz also is 399$... |
| 12:29.46 | diego_at_work | no, it's not |
| 12:30.08 | diego_at_work | if you buy from US you have to pay expenses and taxes |
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| 12:33.00 | diego_at_work | for the neo1973 i've paid more than 60eur for vat and postage and handling |
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| 12:34.15 | MorJava | ? |
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| 12:37.26 | KaZeR | has anyone posted a userside review about freerunner? |
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| 12:43.47 | Blalien | But does someone know how well Navit works on the Freerunner? Or do you recommend me a different application |
| 12:46.42 | KaZeR | Blalien, navit has been used since the first neo1973. performances are good (the lead dev use it on a htc BA, which is way less performant the freerunner (at least, on paper) |
| 12:46.43 | diego_at_work | i've tried navit on neo1973 and it's quite good, except when you tried to scroll |
| 12:47.04 | diego_at_work | I mean, to scroll with the finger |
| 12:47.15 | KaZeR | Blalien, i'd say useability greatly depends of your maps. where are you from? |
| 12:47.25 | KaZeR | diego_at_work, hasn't it been improved? |
| 12:47.36 | Blalien | KaZeR: I'm from the Netherlands |
| 12:47.57 | KaZeR | ok Blalien. how detailed are the osm maps in your country? |
| 12:48.15 | Wander_w | the osm maps are VERY detaild for the netherlands |
| 12:48.39 | Wander_w | (they got donated by a commercial company) |
| 12:48.55 | KaZeR | ah ues right |
| 12:49.00 | KaZeR | Blalien, http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ |
| 12:49.13 | diego_at_work | KaZeR, recent version of navit, are more responsive, but not very good |
| 12:49.23 | KaZeR | ok diego_at_work |
| 12:49.35 | diego_at_work | there is still about 1 sec of lag when you try to scroll |
| 12:50.04 | Blalien | diego_at_work: Ok that's a bummer. But that doesn't have anything to do with the GPS? |
| 12:50.13 | diego_at_work | probably on freerunner is faster ^^ |
| 12:50.24 | diego_at_work | gps is quite ok |
| 12:50.31 | KaZeR | and when you route, how does it behave? or does the lag only occurs when you scroll manually? |
| 12:51.01 | diego_at_work | i see lag only when i try to scroll manually |
| 12:51.21 | KaZeR | ok |
| 12:51.21 | diego_at_work | i never tried route on navit |
| 12:51.32 | KaZeR | ah ok. are you aware of the demo vehicle? |
| 12:52.44 | diego_at_work | yes, i've read on navit.xml. But i just did'nt care :) |
| 12:53.18 | Blalien | Well when I receive my Freerunner I will be testing Navit. |
| 12:55.13 | KaZeR | diego_at_work, ok np :) |
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| 12:55.45 | KaZeR | Blalien, feel free to join #navit for help/comments/criticisms. also i'd be happy to hear from your firsts impressions about the freerunner |
| 12:56.08 | KaZeR | haven't ordered mine yet, i want to be sure it can be used in daily life for phoning/messaging |
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| 12:56.58 | quickdev | Hello |
| 12:57.01 | diego_at_work | i don't think will be ready for that soon |
| 12:57.25 | diego_at_work | i see freerunner more as a pda |
| 12:57.43 | cozub | hm, navit... looks interesting :) |
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| 12:57.52 | diego_at_work | ... with phone too |
| 12:57.55 | Blalien | KaZeR: I will do that. I will recieve mine later this month (second batch). |
| 12:58.36 | MrWGW- | hey, does the new phone come with a warranty in the US? |
| 12:58.46 | Blalien | diego_at_work: You are right about that. It still misses a lot of features |
| 12:58.49 | MrWGW- | and does it have a browser analogous to the iPhone's in terms of rendering quality? |
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| 13:00.27 | diego_at_work | MrWGW-, i expected better rendering quality ^^ |
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| 13:00.43 | MrWGW- | what about the warranty? |
| 13:01.02 | KaZeR | well, the snapshot review says it should be useable as a phone : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Snapshot_review/2008-04-21 |
| 13:01.06 | MrWGW- | I don't care if font rendering sucks, since no OS can do that as well as OS X, I care more about full page rendering |
| 13:01.08 | KaZeR | btw, using a wiki for that is crappy :) |
| 13:08.55 | diego_at_work | KaZeR, yes is usable as phone, but battery life is quite disappointing... |
| 13:09.13 | diego_at_work | (I'm still talking about neo1973) |
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| 13:09.46 | CVirus | Was the 900MHz really sold out or it wasn't there in the web store in the first place ? |
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| 13:10.40 | diego_at_work | CVirus, check resellers |
| 13:10.45 | rtm | CVirus: THere was a message to the community list saying 900 MHz was not sold out - it had not arrived yet. |
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| 13:12.04 | TAsn | rtm, nice info ;) |
| 13:12.22 | TAsn | rtm, change the topic accordingly :) |
| 13:12.52 | *** topic/#openmoko by TAsn -> The Openmoko store is open (900MHz(european) FreeRunner haven't arrived yet). Some distributors have already delivered phones. |Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | Battery life = not to be discussed just yet :) |
| 13:13.07 | flexd | How long does it usually take to get a fix on the freerunner? |
| 13:13.16 | flexd | I sat outside earlier for like 10min and got nothing |
| 13:13.16 | *** topic/#openmoko by TAsn -> The Openmoko store is open (900MHz(european) FreeRunner hasn't arrived yet). Some distributors have already delivered phones. |Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | Battery life = not to be discussed just yet :) |
| 13:13.31 | TAsn | oops, thought about freerunners in plural :) |
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| 13:13.53 | TAsn | flexd, with agps it should be fast (i don't have a moko, i generally know that) |
| 13:14.05 | flexd | Im not sure if it's using agps |
| 13:14.10 | flexd | I just installed tangogps and had a go |
| 13:14.35 | flexd | Not too good at linux stuff (which is why i got a fr, it's a great way of learning aswell as having a thing to code stuff for! :)) |
| 13:14.57 | TAsn | flexd, from what i remember |
| 13:14.59 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r8cb7abe375c7 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/nmea.py: ogpsd: Recover from errors in nmea parser |
| 13:15.14 | TAsn | yesterday someone had a similar problem |
| 13:15.30 | TAsn | the solution was turning the gps on ;) |
| 13:15.42 | TAsn | im not kidding. |
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| 13:15.59 | flexd | I had it on |
| 13:16.10 | flexd | It just spams out useless stuff (as described on the wiki) |
| 13:16.11 | TAsn | you should really check that, as i said, i don't own an fr, but it must be hidden since he missed that :) |
| 13:16.20 | TAsn | flexd, i c. |
| 13:16.28 | TAsn | then i have no idea, sorry.. |
| 13:16.31 | flexd | it slowed down sometimes and put out something that might be useful, but then just continued on with useless "unknown command" stuff |
| 13:16.35 | flexd | Might just take a while hmm |
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| 13:18.05 | TAsn | flexd, have you checked the info in the gps file? |
| 13:18.17 | TAsn | cat /... that is |
| 13:18.24 | TAsn | i don't remember what file it is though. |
| 13:18.27 | flexd | TAsn: yea, i did cat /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 13:18.32 | flexd | and it spaaams out stuff |
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| 13:18.41 | flexd | what i just wrote a few lines up |
| 13:18.52 | TAsn | anyhow, iirc the first digit is the amount of sats it is seeing :) |
| 13:19.13 | TAsn | flexd, you didn't say you looked at the file, and i don't know the wiki by heart :) |
| 13:19.31 | flexd | true ;) |
| 13:20.08 | TAsn | well anyhow, what's the first digit? |
| 13:20.58 | flexd | it spams $GPTXT, 01,01,01, NMEA unknown msg*58 |
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| 13:22.20 | flexd | occasionally $GPGSA, A, 1, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 99,99,99,99,99,99.99*30 |
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| 13:25.13 | TAsn | wow, no idea in the world |
| 13:25.17 | diego_at_work | flexd, looks like a bug in gpsd |
| 13:25.40 | TAsn | sounds like there's someone blocking your gps, are you a secret agent? |
| 13:25.44 | flexd | diego_at_work: that's the second time today someone has said "looks like a bug in xxxx" |
| 13:25.48 | flexd | :p |
| 13:25.49 | flexd | TAsn: yes! |
| 13:25.59 | TAsn | so that must be it. |
| 13:26.01 | TAsn | :) |
| 13:26.12 | flexd | weird thing too, wireless keeps falling out |
| 13:26.15 | flexd | I have to reconfig it :/ |
| 13:26.40 | TAsn | flexd, well, what image are you using? |
| 13:26.48 | TAsn | part of them are buggy :O) |
| 13:26.55 | TAsn | im not sure which though :) |
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| 13:27.50 | admiral0 | hi |
| 13:28.06 | admiral0 | ive got a question about python on freerunner |
| 13:28.34 | admiral0 | does it have any bindings? |
| 13:28.52 | diego_at_work | yes |
| 13:29.06 | flexd | TAsn: latest i believe |
| 13:29.11 | flexd | looks identical to the one that came with the phone though |
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| 13:29.25 | diego_at_work | fso images have application prototipized in python |
| 13:29.26 | TAsn | flexd, latest of what? |
| 13:29.31 | flexd | But i made a small script that just runs iwconfig eth0 essid linksys mode managed;udhcpc eth0 |
| 13:29.33 | michelecs | Hi guys |
| 13:29.34 | TAsn | OM? qtopia? |
| 13:29.36 | flexd | TAsn: OM |
| 13:29.37 | flexd | Daily thing |
| 13:30.04 | admiral0 | ? |
| 13:30.06 | TAsn | flexd, well as i said i don't know enough but that may be it. |
| 13:30.06 | michelecs | Is the selling Neo FreeRunner using QTopia for the main interface? |
| 13:30.15 | TAsn | michelecs, no. |
| 13:30.26 | admiral0 | it uses matchbox... |
| 13:30.36 | flexd | TAsn: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ those |
| 13:30.52 | flexd | which is probably exactly what came with the phone |
| 13:31.10 | TAsn | flexd, then that's the OM |
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| 13:31.32 | TAsn | which was last updated at april i think. |
| 13:31.37 | flexd | yea i see |
| 13:31.41 | TAsn | not sure which is the best image yet |
| 13:31.46 | flexd | Should i try flashing it with something newer? hmm |
| 13:31.53 | TAsn | but this one isn't developed any more. |
| 13:32.15 | TAsn | flexd, not newer, but different, but you should really wait for someone with a moko :) |
| 13:32.17 | admiral0 | flexd, try to do it |
| 13:32.22 | Bumbl | flexd: does your wifi work with wpa2? |
| 13:32.29 | flexd | Bumbl: Noo |
| 13:32.30 | michelecs | So the current mass market release using the new work by rasterman? |
| 13:32.32 | flexd | I tried once |
| 13:32.40 | flexd | But i got a operation not supported (using wpa_supplicant) |
| 13:32.40 | mjr | michelecs, not the default image |
| 13:32.48 | TAsn | michelecs, the current release |
| 13:32.59 | TAsn | is using the one made at april. |
| 13:33.02 | flexd | But that might just be this image, or something i did wrong |
| 13:33.04 | TAsn | not developed since. |
| 13:33.09 | flexd | HsN and someone got it working :) |
| 13:33.11 | Bumbl | flexd: i get unknown encryption using wpa_supplicant |
| 13:33.17 | flexd | Bumbl: which image? |
| 13:33.19 | TAsn | flexd, it might, but not sure :) |
| 13:33.22 | flexd | It is supposed to work |
| 13:33.50 | TAsn | flexd, as i said, i don't own one. i can just tell you what i know out of listening to people asking Q's here... |
| 13:34.00 | flexd | :) |
| 13:34.16 | flexd | I think i'll wait reflashing until i can find someone that has one already |
| 13:34.26 | TAsn | flexd, i do agree. |
| 13:34.29 | admiral0 | i'll have one in august |
| 13:34.30 | michelecs | Is it possibile to write a program using Java on the current selling device? |
| 13:34.35 | Bumbl | i don't know exactly because yesterday I flashed loads of images to my freerunner and most of them were really unstable |
| 13:34.42 | TAsn | michelecs, no. |
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| 13:35.02 | TAsn | qtopia ships with a jvm though. |
| 13:35.02 | diego_at_work | michelecs, soon i think |
| 13:35.16 | TAsn | diego_at_work, soon is a better answer than no :) |
| 13:35.21 | gambler | TAsn, is qtopia providing a seperate freerunner image? |
| 13:35.32 | admiral0 | guys , anyway, no one answered to me yet. or i did not understand |
| 13:35.45 | TAsn | gambler, qtopia does'n provide anything, the OM staff is working on a qtopia based image. |
| 13:35.53 | Bumbl | gambler: no, but openmoko provides a qtopia x11 image |
| 13:36.04 | TAsn | admiral0, did you ask anything? |
| 13:36.11 | gambler | admiral0, try giving a direct order |
| 13:36.25 | admiral0 | ok |
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| 13:36.39 | TAsn | admiral0, there was a post |
| 13:36.42 | michelecs | Will there be an official update (suggested for all the users, not only programmers) including the new stuff? |
| 13:36.50 | TAsn | sec i will find it (or try to) |
| 13:36.52 | admiral0 | python... does it have qtopia bindings like pyqt in the asu? |
| 13:37.14 | TAsn | oh, qtopia? or just gps and all the other phone stuff? |
| 13:37.35 | admiral0 | anything |
| 13:37.38 | diego_at_work | admiral0, bindings exists, but you have to install it |
| 13:37.46 | TAsn | flexd, http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ read this :{ |
| 13:38.17 | admiral0 | diego_at_work, what do i have to install? |
| 13:38.18 | TAsn | admiral0, http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2008/07/01/openmoko-freerunner-test-application/ this talks about gtk, though it shows how to use gps data and such. |
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| 13:39.58 | admiral0 | very interesting |
| 13:43.08 | admiral0 | thank you and bye |
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| 13:43.22 | flexd | staying here is always an option.. |
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| 13:43.39 | michelecs | Will there be an official update (suggested for all the users, not only programmers) including the new stuff? |
| 13:44.03 | balrog-k1n | in a couple of years, surely yes |
| 13:44.16 | flexd | balrog-k1n: ^_^ |
| 13:44.38 | michelecs | balrog-k1n: do you mean on time for GTA3? |
| 13:47.20 | Arg0naut | for those who ordered(us/canada) how long did it take from order->ups tracking number? |
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| 13:48.41 | Ainulindale | Hmmmm |
| 13:48.56 | Ainulindale | I have a weird question with no relation to OM whatsoever |
| 13:49.12 | Ainulindale | Does somebody know if it's possible to emit a constant flow of data from a S/PDIF output ? =) |
| 13:49.24 | Ainulindale | (i.e. audio blank = blank data) |
| 13:50.01 | flexd | Probably? |
| 13:50.02 | balrog-k1n | michelecs: i dunno, gta3 may take even longer :p |
| 13:50.11 | flexd | If you code it, it will happen :p |
| 13:50.49 | michelecs | wow... |
| 13:50.49 | daviem | hi guys - I'm tempted to buy a neo freerunner just for tinkering - but how close to useable is it as an actual phone? |
| 13:50.50 | Ainulindale | flexd: Only problem is right now my S/PDIF output comes along with Mac OSX |
| 13:50.50 | balrog-k1n | michelecs: i'm just judging from the pace until now |
| 13:51.17 | michelecs | Does anybody know if any other society are already looking at Neo FreeRunner/OpenMoko as base for their own devices? |
| 13:51.37 | Ainulindale | michelecs: I heard about one yes |
| 13:51.41 | Ainulindale | Here, in fact |
| 13:52.05 | michelecs | Thanks Ainulindale: do you have any link? |
| 13:52.14 | Ainulindale | Not at all |
| 13:52.23 | balrog-k1n | michelecs: there's some Archeology institute that uses the Freerunner (information on the blogs and on mailing list) and recently someone posted something about using it for controlling their helicopter |
| 13:52.24 | Ainulindale | I know someone came here to talk about his project to build applications on top of OM |
| 13:52.31 | Ainulindale | But I can't remember who |
| 13:52.34 | diego_at_work | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2955814405.html |
| 13:52.37 | Ainulindale | Yep there's also the archeology thingy |
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| 13:53.20 | Ainulindale | There's also a project to use it to control guided missiles in order to keep a constant threat on mickey to make him work faster |
| 13:53.38 | flexd | ^_^ |
| 13:54.42 | balrog-k1n | michelecs: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/ this blog has info on the Open Archeology thing |
| 13:54.50 | Bumbl | <daviem> hi guys - I'm tempted to buy a neo freerunner just for tinkering - but how close to useable is it as an actual phone? <---- you can take and receive phone calls and sms |
| 13:55.21 | balrog-k1n | *archaeology |
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| 13:56.28 | flexd | hmmm, opkg seems to hang for me :( |
| 13:56.36 | flexd | sometimes it does stuff instantly, other times it's slooow. |
| 13:56.54 | ScaredyCat | that's what the o is for... |
| 13:57.05 | ScaredyCat | oh pkg why are you broken |
| 13:57.08 | flexd | hehe |
| 13:57.24 | flexd | by the way, i remember you had some images and stuff for the gta01, and that looked awesome |
| 13:57.38 | flexd | Have you made anything for the gta02? :) |
| 13:57.42 | ScaredyCat | no. |
| 13:57.55 | ScaredyCat | doesn't have a gta02 ... |
| 13:57.57 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 13:58.00 | flexd | Trying to decide what image to put on mine, not much of a linux man myself, not sure what to do :( |
| 13:58.04 | flexd | learning as i go |
| 13:58.05 | ScaredyCat | $$$$ --> tax man |
| 13:58.08 | flexd | Heh |
| 13:58.15 | flexd | I got $$$$ back on my taxes this year \o/ |
| 13:58.38 | ScaredyCat | I'm sure it was a mistake and it should have been mine ;) |
| 13:58.42 | flexd | hehe |
| 13:58.47 | flexd | pokes opkg |
| 13:58.49 | flexd | come on little buddy, go! |
| 13:58.59 | flexd | It stops at "Downloading -link here-" |
| 13:59.00 | flexd | :/ |
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| 13:59.41 | ScaredyCat | does the network connection work? |
| 13:59.45 | flexd | yea |
| 13:59.49 | flexd | I can ping the buildhost |
| 13:59.54 | flexd | heh now it works |
| 13:59.58 | flexd | weird.. |
| 14:00.03 | flexd | it didnt do anything |
| 14:00.10 | flexd | then i canceled it and pinged the buildhost, and then i tried again |
| 14:00.12 | flexd | and then it worked |
| 14:00.17 | ScaredyCat | magic |
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| 14:03.16 | Bumbl | rather an unstable driver/program |
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| 14:06.06 | flexd | oh well |
| 14:06.25 | flexd | think im gonna spend more of my tax moneys on a new gfx card |
| 14:06.29 | flexd | WTS my old one :) |
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| 14:07.20 | HauDyrArb | flexd, aah you got an gfx card with your FreeRunner :-) |
| 14:07.35 | flexd | Not good enough! :( |
| 14:07.56 | flexd | I'm sort of a gamer, i can't help it. it's actually the only reason im still using windows (vista, ugh!) |
| 14:07.56 | HauDyrArb | it can do opengl and EVERYTHING |
| 14:08.01 | diego_at_work | or may be you are too fast |
| 14:09.11 | HauDyrArb | flexd, i always play games thats 5 years old they run super fast on new hardware :-) |
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| 14:09.23 | flexd | hehe |
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| 14:09.31 | diego_at_work | i play game with linux and wine :D |
| 14:09.37 | flexd | I only play Age of Conan atm, but sadly that game doesnt work in wine (yet) |
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| 14:10.09 | HauDyrArb | GTA1 + 2 is good to play using wine |
| 14:10.11 | flexd | Maybe i'll switch when it does, i have linux on all my other machines :) |
| 14:10.16 | flexd | hmmm |
| 14:10.28 | flexd | Think the freerunner will be able to run supermario emulated? :o |
| 14:10.57 | HauDyrArb | maby but then you need a gamepad |
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| 14:11.22 | flexd | You can convert old super nintendo controllers to use usb |
| 14:11.24 | HauDyrArb | or a BT keyboard |
| 14:11.25 | flexd | Shouldnt be that much a problem really |
| 14:11.35 | flexd | Just cut the line, attach a usb as far as i know |
| 14:13.49 | Ainulindale | lukhas: Let me know of the presentation went :-) |
| 14:14.01 | Ainulindale | s/of/how/ |
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| 14:16.13 | michelecs | Why on the store the European model is not available? |
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| 14:19.35 | Wander_w | michelecs: It didn't arrive at the store yet |
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| 14:26.01 | markit | hi, is it possible to connect freerunner with ethernet with some usb-ethernet adapter? |
| 14:26.15 | mjr | yes |
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| 14:27.17 | rwhitby | an nslu2 does that very well |
| 14:27.32 | rwhitby | or any other router supported by openwrt which has a usb port |
| 14:27.52 | mjr | (that is, haven't tried but shouldn't be any reason why it wouldn't be) |
| 14:28.04 | rwhitby | oh, are you talking about host mode on the neo? |
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| 14:28.38 | AVee | For the freerunner you will need a usb convertor of sorts... |
| 14:28.39 | rwhitby | (dunno if anyone's tried it that way, but if you have host mode working there is absolutely no reason why it won't work) |
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| 14:31.07 | nezza-_- | i think its a major bug that the connector on the openmoko isn't an usb host connector. (you know.. there are 2 types of miniusb: the normal and the 'host compatible' |
| 14:32.00 | mjr | you're delusional |
| 14:32.11 | mjr | ("major", no way) |
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| 14:43.18 | linuxxr | yay |
| 14:43.28 | linuxxr | order completed |
| 14:44.42 | linuxxr | i hope theres 1 left fo me!! |
| 14:44.56 | TAsn | if you can order, i guess there is 1... |
| 14:44.58 | TAsn | :) |
| 14:45.03 | TAsn | lucky you. |
| 14:45.55 | michelecs | Oh, I'm still saving the money... |
| 14:47.12 | linuxxr | i kept putting in the last 4 digets of me card # insteasd of my social security # |
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| 14:49.48 | michelecs | what are the main differences between the latest builds of the software and the one included in the shipping device? |
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| 14:50.08 | flexd | the one included in the device has not been altered since april |
| 14:50.10 | flexd | afaik. |
| 14:50.27 | flexd | latest builds are made recently (daily?) |
| 14:51.05 | michelecs | Yes. I mean the daily builds: Where is OpenMoko going nowadays? |
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| 14:55.48 | bobkare | Are there known problems with sleep in the 2008-07-03 build? |
| 14:56.06 | Bumbl | michelecs: openmoko is heading to qtopia/x11 and fso |
| 14:56.36 | michelecs | fso? |
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| 14:59.58 | michelecs | What is the fastest way to get openmoko run on my computer inside something similar to an emulator? |
| 15:00.33 | mjr | michelecs, on fso/asu/other tlas: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
| 15:01.02 | Danker | Bumbl: Only x11 part, not Qt widget system? |
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| 15:04.39 | Bumbl | mechelecs: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework |
| 15:05.03 | lukhas | Ainulindale: it was quite successful |
| 15:05.19 | Bumbl | Danker: I'm not into it, but I think they ported qtopia as it is to x11 |
| 15:05.34 | lukhas | we had to change the place, since there were too many people for the classroom |
| 15:05.57 | Ainulindale | lukhas: nice ! :-) |
| 15:06.03 | lukhas | yeah :) |
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| 15:06.11 | Ainulindale | So you're a star now ? :-) |
| 15:07.42 | Danker | Is there working music player for openmoko? |
| 15:08.31 | nullpuppy | hmm, expat failed, other packages built fine though |
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| 15:08.52 | lukhas | I'm a star, yeah |
| 15:08.55 | Danker | And one more question: Will I be able to do anything useful with neo freerunner out-of-box? :) |
| 15:09.53 | nullpuppy | i really have no idea. i'm thinking you should be able to make phoen calls if you put a sim in it. |
| 15:10.09 | bobkare | Danker: I just received mine yesterday and at least calling and sms worked out of the box. i reflashed to a devel version pretty soon though, so didn't test extensively |
| 15:10.23 | mjr | Danker, yes, though I don't know how buggy or not the spesific release that's in there by default is |
| 15:10.26 | Danker | bobkare: Thanks |
| 15:10.56 | mjr | should do calls and sms, not necessarily most realiably but anyway... |
| 15:11.08 | bobkare | the default release is the one that the wiki says is the most stable |
| 15:12.03 | bobkare | this one: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ |
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| 15:14.04 | Bumbl | bobkare: which release do you use at the moment and how stable is it |
| 15:14.10 | TAsn | bobkare, from what i heard asu has gone a lot better in the past week |
| 15:14.27 | TAsn | maybe the wiki isnt up to date... |
| 15:14.46 | bobkare | I heard from somebody who got the phone a day before me and he said asu was very laggy |
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| 15:15.37 | flexd | bobkare: how is the devel image you have working? Which one is it? |
| 15:16.18 | bobkare | I've had some crashes, seems it freezes up sometimes when it's been lying still for a while |
| 15:17.45 | bobkare | flexd: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080703/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 15:17.56 | Bumbl | what ist the difference between summary, nosummary and normal images |
| 15:17.58 | SpeedEvil | A deeply pointless graph of reported stock in the shop over time. |
| 15:18.20 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/Freerunner.gif |
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| 15:19.16 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, im not sure if pointless, maybe that shows investors something, i don't know. |
| 15:19.20 | Bumbl | Is someone working on an Iphone like sms app (which displays the conversation as a chat) |
| 15:19.44 | nullpuppy | oooh, that'd be awesome. |
| 15:19.48 | TAsn | but they did sell a lot of phones (considering they are not complete and for devs only!) |
| 15:19.49 | bobkare | Hm, maybe I should try a qt build and see how that works |
| 15:20.17 | TAsn | Bumbl, how does it do it? just shows all the history? like a regular im? |
| 15:20.25 | Bumbl | yes |
| 15:20.26 | nullpuppy | TAsn: hehe, yeah. i wonder how many people know that... |
| 15:20.32 | nullpuppy | that bought one.. |
| 15:20.33 | TAsn | Bumbl, nice. |
| 15:20.46 | TAsn | nullpuppy, shh :) |
| 15:20.49 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 15:20.50 | TAsn | don't tell no one. ;0 |
| 15:20.56 | Bumbl | i saw it at a friends' iphone and thought that it should be a musthave |
| 15:21.13 | nullpuppy | is trying to wrap his head around the different images and build setups |
| 15:21.23 | bobkare | Bumbl: The default sms app is somewhat like that |
| 15:21.28 | nullpuppy | Bumbl: yeah, definitely |
| 15:21.33 | Bumbl | http://www.appleiphonereview.com/images/iphone-sms-l.jpg |
| 15:21.34 | SpeedEvil | buz: it's pretty like that - the default one - the GTK one |
| 15:21.39 | TAsn | well, it's to late to say anything anyway, those ignorant bastards bought all the eu phones leaving none to me ;( |
| 15:21.43 | buz | huh? |
| 15:21.55 | buz | your tab completion must have gone wrong :P |
| 15:22.09 | nullpuppy | haha :) |
| 15:22.19 | TAsn | Bumbl, that's ugly |
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| 15:22.37 | nullpuppy | so, the dboard isn't needed to flash the phone is it? |
| 15:22.40 | TAsn | i want it to be like in pidgin or something |
| 15:22.45 | SpeedEvil | buz: No, you people change names randomly. It's quite annoying :) |
| 15:22.46 | TAsn | :) |
| 15:22.49 | Bumbl | maybe but it is an usability improvement |
| 15:22.55 | SpeedEvil | nullpuppy: no |
| 15:23.00 | nullpuppy | ok, good. |
| 15:23.08 | buz | i dont change names :P |
| 15:23.22 | SpeedEvil | nullpuppy: You should never need the debug board if you flash it. |
| 15:23.28 | trl | does anyone have details on the freerunner dboard? |
| 15:23.28 | SpeedEvil | nullpuppy: You should never need the debug board if you just want to flash it. |
| 15:23.28 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 15:23.31 | buz | i'd occasionally have an underscore somewhere :P |
| 15:23.48 | nullpuppy | just need it for doing like.. kernel-level debugging type stuff then? |
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| 15:23.51 | nullpuppy | essentially.. |
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| 15:24.13 | SpeedEvil | nullpuppy: you need the debug board to change the burnt in flash in NOR, - the backup flash. Or you need the debug board to do JTAG. Little else. |
| 15:24.27 | nullpuppy | ah, alright. awesome. |
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| 15:24.38 | nullpuppy | i'll likely need to get it at some point, but sweet. |
| 15:24.41 | SpeedEvil | trivex: does that answer to nullpuppy work for you? |
| 15:24.47 | SpeedEvil | trl: |
| 15:25.38 | trl | i didn't catch nullpuppy's answer |
| 15:25.48 | SpeedEvil | nullpuppy: you should really not - even if you're doing kernel dev, you don't typically have JTAG on a normal motherboard. |
| 15:25.49 | bobkare | What's the difference between http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080704/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080704-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 and http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080704/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 ? |
| 15:25.58 | SpeedEvil | trl: my answer to him |
| 15:26.19 | nullpuppy | SpeedEvil: /me nods |
| 15:26.21 | nullpuppy | alright. |
| 15:27.03 | SpeedEvil | nullpuppy: you absolutely don't need it for application development. |
| 15:27.10 | mmontour | The debug board also gives you a serial console. It's not only for flashing / JTAG. |
| 15:27.31 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - but you can do serial console on USB too. |
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| 15:27.50 | nullpuppy | SpeedEvil: yeah, i understand that :) |
| 15:28.41 | trl | i guess i'm looking for a difference between the freerunner pcb and the freerunner dboard. i only see such details for 1973 |
| 15:28.48 | nullpuppy | long term goals involves likely doing some lowlevel and hardware hacking, but thats a ways off. |
| 15:29.04 | SpeedEvil | trl: freerunner pcb? |
| 15:29.25 | SpeedEvil | trl: the same version of the debug board ships for both. |
| 15:29.46 | trl | ok, thanks |
| 15:30.02 | bobkare | When flashing to new version, should I upgrade u-boot too? |
| 15:30.11 | Bumbl | bobkare: i don't know but I am flashing the first one at the moment |
| 15:30.28 | SpeedEvil | bobkare: no need |
| 15:30.32 | Bumbl | i think you don't need to upgrade uboot |
| 15:30.38 | bobkare | ok, thanks |
| 15:30.44 | SpeedEvil | You often need to update kernel if you update rootfs. |
| 15:30.56 | SpeedEvil | You never? need to update uboot |
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| 15:31.50 | SpeedEvil | Only if serious bugs are found. |
| 15:32.15 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, flashing images does NOT require nothing but the moko and a cable, right? |
| 15:32.27 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: and another computer |
| 15:32.48 | TAsn | i have a usb socket in my hand :) |
| 15:32.50 | nullpuppy | yeah, need something to flash FROM ;) |
| 15:32.57 | SpeedEvil | Well - you could do it with only the freerunner |
| 15:33.01 | SpeedEvil | If you chroot to SD |
| 15:33.12 | nullpuppy | SpeedEvil: haha, that sounds evil |
| 15:33.12 | SpeedEvil | But I don't think anyones coded that. |
| 15:33.54 | nullpuppy | suppose long term, that wouldn't be bad. be able to through firmware onto and sd card, stick in and press a button and it'll update |
| 15:34.50 | SpeedEvil | Long-term, that should probably be implemented in NOR. |
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| 15:35.00 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 15:35.07 | SpeedEvil | The ability to flash a phone with a SD card. |
| 15:35.20 | nullpuppy | yeah, likely. that'd make sense |
| 15:35.39 | nullpuppy | so that it could, feasibly be repaired if something blows up |
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| 15:37.31 | Sebastian | Hi! Got my Freerunner today and have problems getting the networking via usb to work. After http://phpfi.com/329182 I can log into the phone via ssh but the phone cannot connect to the internet (pinging the host works). |
| 15:37.50 | Sebastian | At some point today I got it working and did an "opkg update && opkg upgrade". |
| 15:38.37 | SpeedEvil | Sebastian: you've setup forwarding on the host? |
| 15:38.43 | SpeedEvil | Sebastian: most hosts won't. |
| 15:38.50 | mmontour | Sebastian: enable forwarding on your PC, and make sure that /etc/resolv.conf on the phone is pointing to a working nameserver. |
| 15:39.14 | Sebastian | http://phpfi.com/329182 is supposed to take care of the forwarding. |
| 15:39.51 | SpeedEvil | Have you route add default gateway host'd? |
| 15:39.59 | ebbe | Sebastian: I think an easy solution is installing dnsmasq on your host. That takes care of a lot |
| 15:40.18 | Sebastian | The host is Ubuntu Hardy, btw. |
| 15:40.27 | Sebastian | Will look into dnsmasq. |
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| 15:42.08 | mjcoder | Hi |
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| 15:42.17 | Sebastian | dnsmasq did the trick :) |
| 15:42.36 | ebbe | :) |
| 15:42.37 | mjcoder | I'm a newbie in the OpenMoko world and I have several questions: Is it possible to use the neo as a mobile phone? |
| 15:42.51 | zash | mjcoder: ehm, yes? |
| 15:43.05 | Sebastian | mjI got my Freerunner today and made some phone calls :) |
| 15:43.13 | mjcoder | Ok, I've bought a Freerunner and have troubles connecting to the GSM network. |
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| 15:43.32 | mjcoder | Where do I enter the PIN` |
| 15:43.49 | mjcoder | Where can I change the clock? |
| 15:43.49 | Dave | How are you gentlemen? |
| 15:44.17 | nullpuppy | Make you time. |
| 15:44.21 | Dave | :P |
| 15:44.37 | Dave | mjcoder, did you try clicking the clock, on the Home screen? |
| 15:44.43 | mjcoder | Yes |
| 15:44.49 | mjcoder | Nothing happens |
| 15:44.52 | Dave | Alternatively you can always set the time by using the date command :P |
| 15:44.57 | Dave | nothing happens? o.O |
| 15:45.40 | mjcoder | But more important: Where do I enter the pin to avoid the "registration denied" error when I enable GSM und use autoscan? |
| 15:45.48 | Sebastian | Ehm, I don't see a clock on the home screen. |
| 15:45.51 | Dave | Ah :D |
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| 15:46.36 | mjcoder | I installed the latest snapshot in search for a PIN dialog ... |
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| 15:47.26 | bobkare | mjcoder: I automatically got a pin question in both the default firmware and the latest snapshot (as of yesterday) |
| 15:47.29 | Sonicadvance | Hm, Don't have $400 to buy the Freerunner yet. Going to have to wait a while :P |
| 15:48.31 | Dave | Good idea :p |
| 15:48.48 | troy_ | Topic addressing battery life is interesting.... :) anyone know whats up? |
| 15:48.48 | mjcoder | Ok, this is what I did: Unbox the Neo, open it, add SD card, add SIM card, add battery, started it |
| 15:49.03 | Dave | Don't ask [yet] : P |
| 15:49.04 | mjcoder | Neo boots, shows home screen - no PIN dialog. |
| 15:49.17 | SpeedEvil | Battery life is a work in progress. The powersaving software is in a very rudimentary state. At the moment 12h is about the most. A week standby and 6 hours talk,20 hours mp3 is probable. |
| 15:49.31 | `pwgen` | mickeylzzZZzz: ping |
| 15:49.40 | Dave | Thank you SpeedBot. |
| 15:49.55 | troy_ | lol |
| 15:50.31 | Sonicadvance | Ah, can only purchase Via Credit Card. Should add a Paypal option ;) |
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| 15:53.09 | Dave | Paypal is creditcard, essentially. |
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| 15:53.30 | SpeedEvil | Dave: it's not |
| 15:53.55 | SpeedEvil | Dave: you can associate it with a bank account without it. |
| 15:54.00 | SpeedEvil | Dave: you can associate it with a bank account without a cc |
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| 15:54.28 | Dave | throws tomatos at Speedevil |
| 15:54.36 | SpeedEvil | throws coconuts at dave. |
| 15:54.45 | Dave | ow :( |
| 15:55.05 | Dave | drills holes in them and fills them with black powder. |
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| 15:55.53 | wurp2|away_again | Ainulindale: I'm not sure if this is of any use to you at this point or not, but your jffs2 errors look to me like your image was bigger than the flash drive |
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| 15:56.22 | Ainulindale | wurp2|away_again: And how am I supposed to get the flash drive bigger ? |
| 15:56.27 | Dave | wurp, gah, who built that image? o_O |
| 15:56.31 | Sebastian | Is there a gllin package for the Freerunner yet? |
| 15:56.33 | Ainulindale | (by the way I'm in a totally different problem) |
| 15:56.36 | Ainulindale | Dave: me |
| 15:56.38 | Dave | It as larger than 512MB? |
| 15:56.40 | mmontour | Freerunner doesn't use gllin |
| 15:56.41 | Dave | was |
| 15:56.51 | mjcoder | What could be the reasons that I'm missing the PIN dialog? |
| 15:57.04 | Sebastian | mmontour: Aha. So how would I get tangogps to work with it? |
| 15:57.07 | Dave | It doesn't like you? |
| 15:57.29 | Dave | Sebastian: GPS on -> start gpsd -> tangogps |
| 15:57.30 | Dave | :D |
| 15:57.36 | Dave | and pray for satellites |
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| 15:58.05 | Sebastian | Hm. |
| 15:58.27 | Sebastian | Is this because I used the latest version (http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.0.3-r1_armv4t.ipk)? I followed the instructions there. |
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| 15:58.34 | Dave | yes |
| 15:58.56 | Dave | and no, that is the current procedure :p |
| 15:59.14 | Sebastian | So I need to downgrade? Okay. |
| 15:59.20 | Dave | What? no! |
| 15:59.22 | mmontour | Also check that gpsd is reading from /dev/ttySAC1, not /tmp/nmeaNP or something (as it would on GTA01) |
| 15:59.26 | Dave | I'm not sure what you're getting at. |
| 15:59.44 | Sebastian | It is reading from /dev/ttySAC1. |
| 15:59.58 | Dave | Good :) |
| 16:00.06 | Dave | oh yeah, I should probably fix that gps boot bug |
| 16:00.31 | wurp2|away_again | Ainulindale: You have to get the image smaller. Unless you're on to a totally different problem. |
| 16:00.31 | ebbe | tangoGPS looks stupid on ASU |
| 16:00.34 | Sebastian | What I was getting at: opkg install tantogps wanted to install 0.7. That is why I followed the instructions to install http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.0.3-r1_armv4t.ipk which mentioned gllin. |
| 16:00.35 | Dave | :O |
| 16:00.36 | nullpuppy | hmm, is the FR shipping with OM-2007.2? or some other setup? |
| 16:00.37 | mjcoder | bobkare: with "yesterday", do you mean 20080703 or 20080702? |
| 16:00.41 | Dave | teh hate :[ |
| 16:00.48 | wurp2|away_again | nullpuppy: 2007.2 |
| 16:00.54 | nullpuppy | k, cool. |
| 16:01.09 | bobkare | mjcoder: 20080703 |
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| 16:01.23 | mjcoder | bobkare: thanks. I'll try that image too ... |
| 16:01.29 | wurp2|away_again | Grr, I have the same problem with mokomakefile on my new Heron box that I did on Gutsy |
| 16:01.32 | ebbe | Why isn't there a gtk-theme in ASU? |
| 16:01.34 | Ainulindale | wurp2|away_again: I just did a simple bitbake fso-image |
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| 16:01.54 | wurp2|away_again | Well, really it's a problem with bitbake gcc-cross_4.1.2.bb |
| 16:02.08 | wurp2|away_again | Ainulindale: How big is the jffs2? |
| 16:02.59 | Dave | bootbake |
| 16:03.09 | swc|666 | Do I need a debug board to boot from MicroSD on the FR? |
| 16:03.11 | wurp2|away_again | BTW, I have a wife & 3 kids, so if I suddenly stop responding, it's cause my family got tired of me hiding in the office |
| 16:03.17 | Dave | swc, no. |
| 16:03.17 | Ainulindale | wurp2|away_again: I'll have a look later right now I'm preoccupied by some other things :-) |
| 16:03.26 | swc|666 | Dave: thanks |
| 16:03.32 | Dave | BootLoader -> Boot From MicroSD :) |
| 16:03.34 | wurp2|away_again | Ainulindale: sure |
| 16:03.43 | swc|666 | sweeet |
| 16:03.54 | nullpuppy | my god qemu-local takes forever ;) |
| 16:04.03 | Dave | Yep :D |
| 16:04.10 | balrog-k1n | hey Sup3rkiddo |
| 16:04.39 | Sup3rkiddo | balrog-k1n, howdy |
| 16:04.48 | balrog-k1n | Sup3rkiddo: just letting you know that the current kernel now notifies the userspace about charging events through uevent |
| 16:04.59 | jtickle | hey everyone, looks like the only service with GSM in my area is AT&T, do I need the 850 or the 900? (I don't know much about GSM unfortunately but am very excited about doing some hacking) |
| 16:05.03 | balrog-k1n | zecke submitted the patches this weke |
| 16:05.05 | balrog-k1n | week |
| 16:05.16 | SpeedEvil | jtickle: 900 is not used in the US |
| 16:05.17 | Dave | Hallo Balrogkun :] |
| 16:05.18 | Sup3rkiddo | balrog-k1n, yeah :D, thanks....i noticed it in the kernel mailing lists |
| 16:05.25 | jtickle | oh, well that makes it easy heh |
| 16:05.27 | balrog-k1n | hey Dave |
| 16:05.49 | Dave | Howdy :) |
| 16:05.57 | nullpuppy | jtickle: you're most likley looking at 850 or 1900. |
| 16:06.09 | nullpuppy | but yeah, 900 is pretty everywhere but the us ;) |
| 16:06.21 | Dave | hah |
| 16:06.28 | Sebastian | Now I have 3 TangoGPC icons in the apps menu. |
| 16:06.40 | Dave | o.O |
| 16:06.47 | nullpuppy | also, the om wiki i think had a link somewhere that listed gsm frequences fro each carrier |
| 16:06.51 | Sup3rkiddo | balrog-k1n, but are the patches limited to Freerunner hardware alone? |
| 16:07.20 | jtickle | nullpuppy, yeah, according to that thing it's 1900 around here, the 850 is tri-band, right? |
| 16:07.29 | jtickle | with support for 1900? |
| 16:07.30 | nullpuppy | both are tri-band |
| 16:07.37 | nullpuppy | 850/1800/1900 and 900/1800/1900 |
| 16:07.42 | jtickle | awesome |
| 16:07.58 | nullpuppy | indeed |
| 16:08.04 | balrog-k1n | Sup3rkiddo: uh i haven't checked yet |
| 16:08.22 | Sebastian | Can I edit the menu items somewhere? |
| 16:08.23 | wurp2|away_again | Has anyone had the problem with the cross-compile 'as' not understanding '-Qy'? |
| 16:08.33 | jtickle | nullpuppy, I just checked my verizon account yesterday and found out my plan expires in like two days heh, so I'm jumping on the open bandwagon |
| 16:08.46 | jtickle | any unpublished updates on that issue with AT&T SIM cards? |
| 16:08.52 | Sup3rkiddo | balrog-k1n, hmm, ok....things got a lot more exciting :P |
| 16:08.56 | nullpuppy | jtickle: woot! yay for ditching verion ;) |
| 16:08.59 | Dave | YES |
| 16:09.05 | Dave | works fine |
| 16:09.10 | jtickle | nullpuppy, WOO indeed :-) |
| 16:09.35 | nullpuppy | ah, theres the link i was looking for .... http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtml |
| 16:09.55 | jtickle | cool, thanks, that's the one that said it's 1900 in my area, so awesome |
| 16:10.00 | Dave | :] |
| 16:10.01 | wurp2|away_again | jtickle: I don't think there are still any issues with AT&T SIM cards |
| 16:10.04 | jtickle | but as far as roaming goes if I get the 850 I won't have a problem in other areas |
| 16:10.05 | nullpuppy | yeah ;) |
| 16:10.13 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 16:10.18 | jtickle | wurp2|away_again, awesome. I was looking around the Wiki last night and it still had some listed under "not working" |
| 16:10.22 | wurp2|away_again | jtickle: I had to send in my gta01 for a firmware update, but I don't think it's an issue for FR |
| 16:10.29 | mmontour | There was a recent report about trouble with some 3G SIMs, but it wasn't AT&T (some German carrier, I think) |
| 16:10.31 | wurp2|away_again | jtickle: I believe that wsa all for gta01 |
| 16:10.31 | Dave | wurp, mine works fine! |
| 16:10.40 | Dave | as well as a T-mobile SIM card. |
| 16:10.46 | wurp2|away_again | Excellent, so Dave confirms it |
| 16:10.48 | wurp2|away_again | afk |
| 16:10.49 | jtickle | yeah, there's no 3G in my area, I'm a hillbilly |
| 16:10.54 | jtickle | amazed there's GSM |
| 16:11.08 | Dave | I have and use an AT&T and T-Mobile SIM, in my GTA02s. |
| 16:11.12 | Dave | They both work fine. |
| 16:11.16 | Dave | Though I need more :P |
| 16:11.16 | nullpuppy | well, gsm is loads better then cdma ;) |
| 16:11.35 | nullpuppy | need more what? sims? or gta02's? |
| 16:11.41 | jtickle | Dave, awesome! well, I look forward to doing some development with you guys :-D |
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| 16:11.43 | Dave | More SIM Cards :P |
| 16:11.47 | Dave | heehee |
| 16:11.57 | Dave | and well, we could always use more GTA02's, right? ;D |
| 16:12.09 | Dave | Actually, I think I have enough, thanks :P |
| 16:12.14 | nullpuppy | well, yeah, of course ;) |
| 16:12.15 | Dave | if I got any more, I wouldn't know what to do with them |
| 16:12.21 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 16:12.23 | Dave | use them as shower radios? hockey pucks? |
| 16:12.33 | Dave | ship them off to canada for them to figure that out :P |
| 16:12.39 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 16:12.41 | Dave | smirks at doc|home |
| 16:13.04 | mmontour | Dave: I'm in Canada. Send me some GTA02s! |
| 16:13.07 | nullpuppy | i wouldn't mind a second as a backup or one for pure development |
| 16:13.15 | nullpuppy | but i be poor, so, that ain't gonna happen |
| 16:13.53 | Dave | heehee :) |
| 16:13.58 | Dave | Aww |
| 16:14.08 | Dave | Nullpuppy, be happy with what you have :D |
| 16:14.15 | nullpuppy | yup ;) |
| 16:14.24 | nullpuppy | worst case, i'll still have my razr, so no worries |
| 16:14.36 | Dave | and if you really want, once you get it working, hit up a local vzw store and wave it in their faces :P |
| 16:14.39 | Dave | heehee |
| 16:14.53 | nullpuppy | hehehe |
| 16:16.04 | nullpuppy | Running task 2468 of 6972 ... /me sighs |
| 16:16.16 | nullpuppy | wonder if it'll be done when i get back from Hancock |
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| 16:16.24 | Dave | :x |
| 16:17.07 | Dave | evil vulpes :p |
| 16:18.08 | nullpuppy | oh, heh, stupid question, is there support for custom ring tones and stuff in om-2007.2? i don't care too much since i don't actually intend to use it (not gonna risk losing my contacts like that ;)) |
| 16:18.15 | nullpuppy | just curious |
| 16:19.10 | kdubois | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.27 | nullpuppy | hehe, /me shrugs |
| 16:19.32 | nullpuppy | i suppose i could look there |
| 16:19.33 | mjr | well there is support in that you can overwrite the ringtone file. Though there was at least at some point a situation where the ringtone length was hardcoded and there would be a ringtone cascade if it was longer than expected ;P |
| 16:19.51 | nullpuppy | haha, woot |
| 16:19.53 | nullpuppy | that sounds awesome |
| 16:20.37 | mjr | buut yeah, stuff like that is always doable on an open phone, just hopefully relatively cleanly at some point too ;) |
| 16:20.52 | nullpuppy | nods |
| 16:21.02 | nullpuppy | I realize that, i was just curious if it existed yet |
| 16:21.11 | mjr | *nod* |
| 16:21.19 | mjr | so, "not really" :] |
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| 16:22.06 | nullpuppy | yup, alright. |
| 16:23.17 | nullpuppy | is there a quick and dirty list of stuff yet to be implemented that i'm not finding by the way? or stuff thats in need of work? i see bits and pieces of stuff all over the place on the wiki, but no definite list or roadmap/whatever |
| 16:24.10 | mmontour | the "quick and dirty list of stuff yet to be implemented" is in need of work :) |
| 16:24.25 | nullpuppy | fair enough ;) |
| 16:24.50 | Dave | :D |
| 16:25.26 | Dave | that's how he likes it! |
| 16:26.02 | igor321 | so yeah, is there a hw bug with the gps? |
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| 16:26.26 | Dave | igor, in what respect? |
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| 16:26.54 | igor321 | Dave: i gather that the internal antenna is not really functional, as it was with the gta01 |
| 16:27.11 | Dave | Not really functional, as in, just rather weak? |
| 16:27.15 | SpeedEvil | igor321: I think you may be thinking of the early version |
| 16:27.20 | SpeedEvil | igor321: there was an issue. |
| 16:28.00 | igor321 | there are people on the ML saying that they can't get a fix with the internal, i have no idea what hw version they have though |
| 16:28.09 | SpeedEvil | Of GTA02? |
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| 16:28.12 | igor321 | yes |
| 16:28.19 | SpeedEvil | I have no idea then. |
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| 16:28.24 | SpeedEvil | If they are outside |
| 16:28.49 | nullpuppy | alright, off to see hancock, bbl |
| 16:29.07 | Zoup | any issue with battery life ? |
| 16:29.30 | SpeedEvil | Battery life is a work in progress. The powersaving software is in a very rudimentary state. At the moment 12h is about the most. A week standby and 6 hours talk,20 hours mp3 is probable. |
| 16:29.32 | mmontour | My GTA01 needs to be outside with a good view of the sky (not too many trees, buildings, etc). IIRC it was about 140s for a cold-start (no almanac) fix |
| 16:29.52 | igor321 | yeah, the issue is with gta02 |
| 16:30.04 | Zoup | is this caused by software? |
| 16:30.11 | SpeedEvil | Zoup: no |
| 16:30.20 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 16:30.22 | SpeedEvil | I mena |
| 16:30.23 | SpeedEvil | mean |
| 16:30.27 | Zoup | thanks god |
| 16:30.40 | SpeedEvil | hence the possible progress. |
| 16:30.56 | Zoup | its linux kernel related , i had exact same problem with some of my laptop in suspend to ram state ( if this is the same ) |
| 16:31.10 | SpeedEvil | it's not quite that simple. But fundamentally. |
| 16:31.19 | zedstar | just jumping in the middle of this thread.....so is there a gps antenna issue on gta02? |
| 16:31.44 | igor321 | lemme find it on the ML |
| 16:31.51 | Zoup | SpeedEvil: by the way i could say ' ok i buy this phone , they fix the power issue with software , im very OK ' , right ? |
| 16:32.05 | Dave | fucking A, I can't stand this bug. |
| 16:32.05 | igor321 | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/020553.html |
| 16:32.08 | Dave | grrrrrrr |
| 16:32.23 | igor321 | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/020551.html |
| 16:32.24 | SpeedEvil | Zoup: yes, it can. |
| 16:32.47 | zedstar | igor321 yeh that doesnt sound good i would tend to believe the dude if he has 6 devices |
| 16:33.00 | igor321 | zedstar: yeah, me too |
| 16:33.21 | igor321 | 2 mins or even more don't bother me, but the other guy can't even get a fix |
| 16:33.42 | zedstar | a couple of minutes is pretty normal for the 3 gps i own] |
| 16:34.17 | igor321 | yeah, but not getting a fix at all or waiting more than 10 minutes is really bad, i'd say |
| 16:34.21 | SpeedEvil | igor321: you can buy GPS jammers |
| 16:34.25 | SpeedEvil | igor321: maybe someone has |
| 16:34.42 | piti | Hi. I'm thinking on buying a freerunner, but before that, Id like to try the system, like in an emulator. I saw that : http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Building_Openmoko_with_MokoMakefile , and it seems to be well, but there isn't any application ? |
| 16:34.53 | igor321 | SpeedEvil: what would i do with a jammer? |
| 16:36.00 | mmontour | I had a quick look at a datasheet for the gta02's GPS chip. It looks like there are some mode settings that can affect the TTFF. Is there anything on the gta02 that configures the GPS chip, or is it just using power-on defaults? |
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| 16:36.29 | SpeedEvil | igor321: I was meaning - if it's an isolated report, from one location, it's not implausible that someone has a jammer in that location. |
| 16:36.39 | Dave | zedstar: I do :) |
| 16:36.44 | igor321 | there are two reports |
| 16:36.48 | SpeedEvil | igor321: if another GPS doesn't get lock. |
| 16:37.00 | zedstar | dave u getting a fix in minutes? |
| 16:37.02 | igor321 | by two separate people :( |
| 16:37.14 | Dave | Zedstar, it's totally erratic. |
| 16:37.20 | Dave | Sometimes it can get a fix in seconds |
| 16:37.25 | Dave | sometimes minutes |
| 16:37.29 | Dave | other times never |
| 16:37.31 | Dave | or hours |
| 16:37.33 | zedstar | i think we need more field reports on this |
| 16:37.37 | Dave | Sometimes it depends on the time of day. |
| 16:37.37 | zedstar | it is a bit random |
| 16:38.04 | Dave | (really, at night a lot, it's much more difficult to get a fix), I wouldn't be saying this if it weren't consistent. |
| 16:38.17 | igor321 | well there are plenty of people with gta02's, someone should go testing |
| 16:38.24 | Dave | Though I just pulled a rather large gps antenna from the lab yesterday, so I could avoid the problem. |
| 16:38.27 | igor321 | like sciency-like |
| 16:38.48 | Dave | igor, I have five that I used last night for gps testing :) |
| 16:38.54 | linuxxr | a large antenea hmmmmm |
| 16:39.04 | igor321 | thing is, most people won't ever be using antenna |
| 16:39.07 | Dave | and I took three out in the car with me, to try to get fixes from various locations. |
| 16:39.11 | Dave | Right. |
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| 16:39.28 | igor321 | Dave: so, sometimes it doesn't really get a fix |
| 16:39.31 | igor321 | ? |
| 16:39.34 | zedstar | ok who has a gta01 and gta02? fix comparisons would be good to see |
| 16:39.50 | Dave | igor, as in 0/0 satellites. |
| 16:40.20 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: you do know that some cars have GPS opaque windscreens? |
| 16:40.23 | SpeedEvil | dave: |
| 16:40.36 | igor321 | damn that suck, maybe reseting the whole "getting a fix" process would help |
| 16:40.46 | Dave | also one of my gta02's, I believe, has some sort of issue with it, in that it usually only sees 1/0 satellites, when the others (from the same location), see twelve. |
| 16:40.57 | Dave | So that's why I hooked up a big antenna to it :P |
| 16:41.11 | SpeedEvil | DOA return... |
| 16:41.18 | Dave | also that way I can be at my desk, and no matter what the conditions outside are, get a fix. |
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| 16:41.29 | igor321 | i hope there are not many of these hw bugs in the wild |
| 16:41.37 | Dave | Speedevil, maybe, but then I'd have to return other things as well :) |
| 16:42.01 | Dave | I can't stand these power issues |
| 16:42.08 | Wander_w | power issues? |
| 16:42.14 | Dave | Damnit Joerg, hurry up and get better already so I can berate you :D |
| 16:42.22 | Wander_w | you mean the short battery lifetime? |
| 16:42.42 | jtickle | how short is short? |
| 16:42.50 | mmontour | Wander_w: no, there are issues with it not charging when it's supposed to, not turning on with a dead battery, etc. |
| 16:43.10 | Wander_w | mmontour: for real? I thought that was only on the GTA01? |
| 16:43.10 | Dave | Wander, there are about three separate issues I have. |
| 16:43.15 | mmontour | There's a recent thread on the kernel ML |
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| 16:43.28 | Dave | Montour, yes, and I have had all of these :D |
| 16:43.46 | Dave | claps for himself, pitifully. |
| 16:44.19 | Dave | bugs bugs and more bugs :) |
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| 16:44.43 | zedstar | dave out of curiousity wot u doing with so many freerunners? |
| 16:44.52 | Dave | Writing software :) |
| 16:45.01 | Dave | testing proof-of-concept applications as well :p |
| 16:45.18 | igor321 | what concepts did you prove, man? :) |
| 16:45.19 | zedstar | dave ah ok....wot kind software? |
| 16:45.26 | Dave | It's sekret! |
| 16:45.33 | igor321 | kk tnx |
| 16:45.36 | igor321 | :) |
| 16:45.43 | Dave | And no, I don't work for the NSA :P |
| 16:45.44 | zedstar | ties dave up |
| 16:45.48 | Dave | as many of you may think. |
| 16:45.50 | Dave | Aaaaaaaaaaah! |
| 16:46.09 | zedstar | we have ways of making u talk :) |
| 16:46.17 | Dave | OH... NO... |
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| 16:46.45 | igor321 | okay you guys |
| 16:46.53 | igor321 | i have some technical questions |
| 16:46.58 | igor321 | highy theoretical |
| 16:47.02 | Dave | Speak, and ye shall be heard! |
| 16:47.23 | igor321 | like if someone were to write an iphoneish gui |
| 16:47.25 | igor321 | for the moko |
| 16:47.29 | igor321 | what would he use? |
| 16:47.33 | Dave | Highly theoretical, like, would it be possible for the gps to actually give you a relatively consistent and accurate position fix? :p |
| 16:47.46 | igor321 | Dave: no, i'm over that :) |
| 16:47.50 | Dave | :[ |
| 16:47.53 | Dave | I'm not. |
| 16:48.10 | igor321 | well i could be sad cause if it |
| 16:48.13 | Dave | Though sounds like you want or want somebody to write an iPhone theme for openmoko :P |
| 16:48.14 | zedstar | so u writing something involving location dave eh? |
| 16:48.20 | Robot101 | igor321: clutter :D |
| 16:48.29 | igor321 | yeah, clutter |
| 16:48.31 | Dave | uh oh, zedstar is onto me! |
| 16:48.40 | igor321 | but can clutter be software rendered? |
| 16:48.52 | igor321 | if it can, than it's doable at qvga |
| 16:48.54 | zedstar | that was without getting out the nipple clamps! |
| 16:49.03 | Dave | teehee |
| 16:50.43 | igor321 | i saw some pocket pc running quake 2, so it got me to thinkin', if this 300 mhz cpu can run quake, surely some flyin' icons and text are less complicated |
| 16:51.12 | igor321 | any thoughts? |
| 16:52.35 | igor321 | whatsoever? |
| 16:53.09 | zedstar | no idea sorry...i played around with SDL once that was kinda fun and had a great API |
| 16:53.45 | Dave | DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! |
| 16:53.52 | Dave | SDL IS great |
| 16:54.00 | Dave | makes me want to install FB on my Freerunner :P |
| 16:54.12 | Dave | *everyone's* freerunner >:) |
| 16:54.24 | igor321 | wikipedia says opengl has it's own software renderer |
| 16:54.49 | jtickle | igor321, don't take this as official, but I think Clutter was designed to work decently without hardware acceleration |
| 16:55.08 | igor321 | yeah |
| 16:55.25 | igor321 | i believe at qvga it's completely feasable |
| 16:55.35 | igor321 | even more so with the gta03 |
| 16:56.05 | igor321 | call me gay or whatever, but i'd like a shiny 3d ui :) |
| 16:56.20 | igor321 | i love the way people are impressed by compiz |
| 16:56.44 | jtickle | igor321, I'm totally with you on that, no reason not to have a shiny UI if you can have one |
| 16:57.40 | igor321 | jtickle: i'd like to have a qvga ui that reverts to vga when reading pdfs and such |
| 16:58.04 | igor321 | by most account the ASU at VGA is sluggish |
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| 16:58.11 | igor321 | Dave? |
| 16:58.14 | igor321 | is it? :) |
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| 17:00.32 | jtickle | igor321, sure |
| 17:00.47 | jtickle | igor321, so what is this "ASU" I keep seeing? Those are the initials for my university so I keep getting all excited |
| 17:02.09 | igor321 | jtickle: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
| 17:02.23 | igor321 | there you go, john |
| 17:02.26 | igor321 | read up :) |
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| 17:04.15 | goodwill | if I have 2 cpuss a good strategy is to set -j5 ? |
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| 17:04.39 | abraxa_ | goodwill: n+1 threads, so 3 |
| 17:04.39 | goodwill | I heard something about setting N as twice the number of total CPUs + 1 available |
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| 17:05.03 | goodwill | abraxa_: yeah thats what I thought too, but gentoo manual makes me doubt it |
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| 17:05.18 | jtickle | igor321, thanks! |
| 17:05.59 | abraxa_ | goodwill: Why? n+1 threads put both CPUs/cores to 100%, which is the goal |
| 17:06.37 | goodwill | abraxa_: yeah thats what I thought too...I wonder why gentoo is recomending twice the cpu +1 |
| 17:06.44 | goodwill | ok |
| 17:06.53 | abraxa_ | I honestly don't know :) |
| 17:07.02 | goodwill | abraxa_: just wanted some opinions on that, thank you |
| 17:10.24 | mwester | apt: asu is See http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
| 17:10.25 | apt | mwester: okay |
| 17:10.33 | mwester | ~asu |
| 17:10.33 | apt | hmm... asu is See http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
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| 17:15.17 | Sup3rkiddo | balrog-kun, hi, whats the git url for cloning your branch? is it documented? |
| 17:15.41 | SpeedEvil | git://bbc.co.uk/gardenersworld/ ? |
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| 17:16.08 | Sup3rkiddo | bbc? |
| 17:16.18 | mwester | ~smack SpeedEvil |
| 17:16.19 | apt | ACTION smacks SpeedEvil upside the head. |
| 17:16.35 | Sup3rkiddo | SpeedEvil, *sniff* you are making fun of me |
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| 17:20.01 | paulproteus | Ainulindale, wurp2|away_again, _ferric, Howdy |
| 17:21.49 | Ainulindale | I'm there but busy, I'll read later :-) |
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| 17:22.00 | paulproteus | Sounds good (-: |
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| 17:25.07 | flexd | question: |
| 17:25.22 | flexd | Why on earth is there no button to type / in the terminal on OM image? |
| 17:25.25 | flexd | Or am i just missing it |
| 17:25.37 | flexd | Makes it hard typing /dev/ttySAC1 on the phone to see :/ |
| 17:26.01 | Sebastian | Can I scale the font size in the web browser? |
| 17:26.11 | SpeedEvil | passes Sebastian a hand-lens. |
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| 17:26.25 | Sebastian | It's too large, not too small. |
| 17:28.28 | balrog-kun | Sup3rkiddo: the kernel? oh i only talking about -andy |
| 17:28.36 | balrog-kun | i don't maintain any branch |
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| 17:29.10 | Sup3rkiddo | balrog-kun, ah, ok....i thought you maintain the andy branch |
| 17:29.59 | balrog-kun | nope, that's Andy Green :) |
| 17:30.05 | paulproteus | Is there a way to charge a Neo battery outside of a Neo? |
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| 17:30.20 | SpeedEvil | paulproteus: got a lab PSU? |
| 17:30.32 | paulproteus | SpeedEvil, I don't, sadly )-: |
| 17:31.02 | paulproteus | roh, Would you add paulproteus as an admin in the SHR milestone? |
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| 17:40.41 | Sup3rkiddo | ah ok |
| 17:40.46 | Sup3rkiddo | good night all |
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| 17:47.44 | Wander_w | goodwill: Gentoo recommends nr CPU + 1 so that you can have 1 thread waiting on I/O (like the hard disc) while the other threads keep using the CPU's |
| 17:47.58 | Wander_w | (sorry for the delay :) ) |
| 17:48.12 | goodwill | Wander_w: nr? |
| 17:48.21 | Wander_w | (oh, it says twice that) |
| 17:48.42 | goodwill | Wander_w: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml |
| 17:49.04 | goodwill | Wander_w: (Modify MAKEOPTS to include -jN, where N is twice the number of CPUs |
| 17:49.04 | goodwill | +1 available) |
| 17:49.30 | Dave | Hello Mr. Will :) |
| 17:49.34 | Wander_w | ah.. you were actually talking about distcc :) |
| 17:49.45 | Wander_w | well... that goes over the network right? |
| 17:50.13 | Wander_w | .... so you have even more threads waiting for I/O |
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| 17:50.21 | goodwill | Wander_w: I do not know how that would make a difference |
| 17:51.00 | Wander_w | I/O being the network |
| 17:51.00 | goodwill | Wander_w: right, but it does nto say N is the number of distcc hosts |
| 17:51.17 | goodwill | Wander_w: oooohh, I see |
| 17:51.37 | goodwill | Wander_w: I think they do mean the number of CPUs available..as in a cpu per distcc host |
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| 17:51.55 | goodwill | which probably makes sense |
| 17:52.00 | Wander_w | um... yeah, what else? |
| 17:52.11 | goodwill | dunno, I thought they meant local cpu |
| 17:52.16 | Wander_w | naah |
| 17:53.08 | Wander_w | hmm.. time to take the girlfriend out |
| 17:53.24 | angasule | yup, and feed her once in a while |
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| 17:53.32 | goodwill | Wander_w: you choose gf over computer....you sick bastard |
| 17:53.55 | angasule | some people are sick like that |
| 17:54.11 | goodwill | moment of silence for our fallen comrade |
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| 17:55.59 | angasule | we could also help him get up, just sayin' |
| 17:57.04 | SpeedEvil | ponders a on-phone bluetooth dating app for the pessimistic. |
| 17:57.22 | SpeedEvil | It just says 'You have no hope'. |
| 17:59.58 | benlake | :P |
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| 18:03.32 | jebba | the order page lists GSM 900 and GSM 850s. When I look up my country/provider it says GSM1900 (argentina). Is the "900" a typo or what? Should it be 1900 or... ? It says only 850s are left. |
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| 18:04.21 | DocCod | jebba: the FR is a triband 850/1800/1900 or 900/1800/1900 |
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| 18:05.13 | DocCod | jebba: so both support GSM1900 |
| 18:05.16 | jebba | ah cool, so either will work for me :) thx |
| 18:05.24 | mjr | generally 850/1900 and 900/1900 go together more, but dunno about Argentina |
| 18:05.29 | gmaxwell | someone really needs to fix the webpages. A lot of people are thinking that the 850 vs 900 means mono-banded. |
| 18:05.35 | mjr | uh, I mean 850/1900 and 900/1800 |
| 18:06.10 | gmaxwell | mjr: I think most of the americas is 850/1900 |
| 18:06.18 | jebba | looking here: http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_ar.shtml |
| 18:06.49 | mjr | gmaxwell, yeah I just have a vague idea of eg. Brazil having some 900 gsm... but I dunno |
| 18:07.13 | mjr | anyway certainly from jebba's url, the 850 seems to be locally the best choice for Argentina, yes |
| 18:07.54 | mjr | as is to be expected using the mentioned heuristics ;) |
| 18:08.26 | jebba | holy smokes $134 for shipping |
| 18:08.46 | jebba | expedited is $134, saver is $142. heh |
| 18:09.23 | gmaxwell | ouch |
| 18:09.58 | mboldisc | To where jebba? |
| 18:10.02 | jebba | argentiuna |
| 18:10.08 | mboldisc | ahh |
| 18:10.32 | mboldisc | iphone or freerunner... i can't decide. |
| 18:11.00 | DocCod | mboldisc: what maks you hesitate between the 2? |
| 18:11.01 | jebba | oh may freerunner for sure are you kidding? |
| 18:11.54 | mboldisc | I want to write software for my phone. I love linux. But, the mapping and software on the iphone is so refined. |
| 18:11.54 | DocCod | mboldisc: or to rephrase, what are you looking for in a new phone? |
| 18:12.06 | jebba | ok, 2 mokos and a dboard on the way, me hopes. Now we'll see what customs has to say.... |
| 18:12.24 | mboldisc | GPS, Wifi, and 2/3G |
| 18:12.35 | jebba | mboldisc, if you write software for your iphone they'll put you in jail and throw away the key, you know? |
| 18:12.38 | DocCod | mboldisc: FR doesn't have 3G |
| 18:12.45 | mboldisc | I know doc |
| 18:13.09 | DocCod | mboldisc: i can understand why you hesitate |
| 18:13.23 | mboldisc | The problem is that Apple will eventually give in |
| 18:13.32 | DocCod | mboldisc: imo, openmoko will give you more freedom to write new applications |
| 18:13.33 | mboldisc | They will make it easier to write apps |
| 18:13.47 | DocCod | mboldisc: but it might be a lot more complicated |
| 18:13.50 | DocCod | exactly |
| 18:13.52 | mboldisc | I don't even own a Mac |
| 18:14.00 | mboldisc | That's one big problem |
| 18:14.10 | DocCod | doesn't the sdk exist for windows? |
| 18:14.14 | mboldisc | Also, there's a lot of money to be made writing phone software. |
| 18:14.15 | jebba | why buy from a company that deliberately thwarts what you want to do? |
| 18:14.36 | mboldisc | The Apple store will make some people rich. |
| 18:14.48 | mboldisc | They have no competition atm. |
| 18:15.00 | DocCod | mboldisc: any insight on what type of software you plan on writing? |
| 18:15.03 | mboldisc | Once Andriod comes... They will have to change a bit. |
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| 18:15.18 | mboldisc | Social networking phone software. |
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| 18:15.24 | mboldisc | Big $$ |
| 18:15.37 | benlake | stabs himself in the face |
| 18:15.41 | jebba | heh |
| 18:15.45 | Hydrant | Hey... trying to buy a free runner and the site is screwing up... who do I complain at... can't find any real phone numbers online |
| 18:15.52 | DocCod | mboldisc: wouldn't it be safest for you then to have the software for all of the major systems? |
| 18:16.08 | sol | Hydrant; check the mailing list, there's been lots of discussion about the web store screwing up |
| 18:16.11 | DocCod | mboldisc: read iphone, android at least |
| 18:16.21 | Hydrant | sol: thx... got a link handy ? |
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| 18:16.27 | sol | no :p |
| 18:16.27 | mboldisc | Well |
| 18:16.42 | DocCod | mboldisc: openmoko may not yet been mainstream enough and probably won't be for some time |
| 18:16.51 | DocCod | mboldisc: if you are after any money |
| 18:16.53 | sol | DocCod, sure it is, *I* bought one. |
| 18:16.55 | mboldisc | That's what I'm thinking |
| 18:17.17 | jebba | i just ordered on the website within the last 15 minutes ok, fwiw |
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| 18:17.29 | sol | who in here already has one? |
| 18:17.37 | mboldisc | I mean, I'm all for free software, but when iPhone hippies want to buy everything they see... |
| 18:17.42 | benlake | a gta02 he means. |
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| 18:17.49 | Sebastian | got his FreeRunner/GTA02 today. |
| 18:18.00 | DocCod | ok, i don't say noone wants the FR, and I am quite happy to see that many people are interest in the project |
| 18:18.00 | sol | Sebastian; what works, what doesn't? |
| 18:18.05 | benlake | did he just put "iPhone" and "hippie" next to eachother? |
| 18:18.07 | jebba | can you make a call? ;) |
| 18:18.15 | mboldisc | Yea. |
| 18:18.17 | Sebastian | sol: I can make/take calls. |
| 18:18.22 | sol | benlake, isn't that what iphones users are? |
| 18:18.25 | DocCod | but for now we are talking like 10'000 phones maybe, against the millions of other phones out there |
| 18:18.37 | mboldisc | They are stoned hippies. |
| 18:18.38 | sol | Sebastian; texting? ssh? mp3s? anything else worth noting? |
| 18:18.41 | benlake | I am a hippie. |
| 18:18.53 | benlake | iPhone users are the farthest thing from hippies. |
| 18:19.00 | Sebastian | sol: ssh works, see http://sebastian-bergmann.de/archives/801-OpenMoko-Freerunner-and-Ubuntu.html |
| 18:19.09 | benlake | OM users are hippies. |
| 18:19.14 | mboldisc | lol |
| 18:19.15 | angasule | benlake: I know, I can smell you all the way over here :/ |
| 18:19.19 | Sebastian | sol: GPS sort of works, couldn't get a fix on a satellite yet, though. |
| 18:19.21 | mboldisc | OM users are rebels |
| 18:19.22 | sol | benlake; they're not old-type hippies. new ones yes, where hippie is just derived from 'hipster' |
| 18:19.24 | angasule | is not a hippie and loves OM |
| 18:19.39 | sol | hipster + excessively liberal |
| 18:20.01 | sol | Sebastian; how does one type in the console? |
| 18:20.11 | sol | checking link now |
| 18:20.26 | Sebastian | sol: Using the on-screen keyboard and the stylus thingy. |
| 18:20.34 | Sebastian | sol: Which is awesome, btw. |
| 18:20.53 | sol | Sebastian; but I imagine that won't come up unless X is working |
| 18:21.26 | sol | so if I want to #)$* around with it, I should probably get sshd working first, and then do risky things that may (#$% up X after? :) |
| 18:21.29 | Dave | kekeke |
| 18:21.33 | Hydrant | okay... apparently I have to call my credit card company... interesting |
| 18:21.50 | Hydrant | mboldisc: horray for being a rebel! |
| 18:21.56 | mboldisc | hehe |
| 18:21.57 | sol | Hydrant; that's not overly unusual. the OM guys were downright stupid to use a foreign site for purchasing |
| 18:22.05 | Hydrant | oh yah |
| 18:22.10 | Hydrant | I was surprised too |
| 18:22.11 | Dave | It's a trap! |
| 18:22.17 | sol | well it was a bit disturbing |
| 18:22.28 | sol | I would prefer my CC info hops through as few routers & countries as possible :) |
| 18:22.31 | _newbie3 | sol: foreign as in in the country the company is in? |
| 18:22.43 | sol | _newbie3; foreign as in not where the target audience of the webstore is |
| 18:22.50 | Dave | :P |
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| 18:23.19 | sol | my CC uses a password during verification with my bank |
| 18:23.23 | _newbie3 | sol: ah right. Like we all like USA so much. This is international... There's no non foreign country anymore. |
| 18:23.27 | Dave | haha |
| 18:23.31 | Dave | failyar. |
| 18:23.32 | DocCod | sol: isn't the target audience worldwide? |
| 18:24.22 | sol | DocCod, _newbie3; if the target audience of the *WEB STORE* is not America, then why is it in english, and why are US & Canada the top two options in the dropdown? |
| 18:24.22 | sol | :p |
| 18:24.40 | sol | _newbie3; and, I like the USA just fine |
| 18:24.45 | jebba | obnoxious that they list the USA first. |
| 18:24.58 | DocCod | sol: because 99% of the world has some knowledge of english, maybe? :P |
| 18:25.21 | _newbie3 | and because you can't use a FR if you don't speak english at the moment... etc... |
| 18:25.24 | benlake | and that is why the payment service uses a .tw domain :P |
| 18:26.11 | sol | the target audience of the webstore was america. hence why the phones were shipped to California, rather than remaining in Taiwan. |
| 18:26.26 | DocCod | sol: you got a point there |
| 18:26.37 | jebba | still obnoxious to list the usa first |
| 18:26.43 | sol | jebba; who would you have recommended? |
| 18:26.49 | sol | Ghana? |
| 18:26.49 | mjr | indeed, and especially that's why they only sold 850 MHz variants at least in this startup rush |
| 18:26.50 | jebba | alphabetical |
| 18:26.54 | benlake | Afghanistan |
| 18:27.00 | DocCod | lol |
| 18:27.16 | sol | Canada & USA were listed first. I would guess that at least 90% of the people buying on the site were one of the two. |
| 18:27.18 | benlake | I'm sure they have a group buy planned |
| 18:27.22 | jebba | then openmoko would get good crypto call support ;) |
| 18:27.50 | jebba | sol, only 10% europe/rest of world? thats not quite the impression i get from the lists. |
| 18:27.53 | sol | although, I do agree that messing up an alphabetical list is annoying. they should list Canada & USA twice |
| 18:27.58 | sol | once correctly in order, and once at the top |
| 18:28.04 | jebba | barfs |
| 18:28.23 | sol | jebba; why the hell would you go to the web store to purchase the phone from California, when it would be *MUCH* cheaper to buy it locally? |
| 18:28.28 | DocCod | jebba: for europe at least, there are local distributors |
| 18:28.32 | mjr | jebba, Europe/the rest of the world largely want 900 MHz variants which were only available from the resellers at least for now |
| 18:29.36 | benlake | what is the expected release cycle? |
| 18:29.43 | benlake | anticipated, hoped for? |
| 18:30.03 | sol | release cycle? |
| 18:30.07 | sol | for what, new models? |
| 18:30.14 | Hydrant | will android work on the free runner? or no idea yet? I'd like to try it out |
| 18:30.22 | jebba | my order #2161 fwiw |
| 18:30.32 | benlake | the rootfs/kernel images |
| 18:30.33 | abraxa_ | Hydrant: Unless Android gets ported, no |
| 18:30.36 | mjr | Hydrant, not the provided binaries. It may be perhaps ported over if/when the code is actually freed. |
| 18:30.44 | sol | I dunno, I'm going to be quite happy with it simply running Linux :) |
| 18:30.45 | Hydrant | too baD |
| 18:30.56 | Hydrant | so does it run qtopia out of the box ? |
| 18:31.13 | Hydrant | I liked the feature btw that I can flash it without the debug board... so I can boot of sdcards and all |
| 18:31.15 | Dave | :D |
| 18:31.17 | mjr | but android is a vm platform, not so interesting for a *nux guy... |
| 18:31.28 | Dave | yep |
| 18:31.39 | mboldisc | but easier to secure |
| 18:31.42 | Hydrant | I more so just think I would be 133t for having android on a phone before anyone else :-) |
| 18:31.54 | Dave | hah |
| 18:32.03 | abraxa_ | Hydrant: Why anyone would want Android is beyond me. |
| 18:32.06 | sol | maeh, I'm not done thinking about security for the phone |
| 18:32.14 | sol | I don't think VM will really help with security |
| 18:32.20 | mjr | 'course, the vm should be ported over (in the sense that I hope somebody does), simply for the purpose of leveraging Android apps |
| 18:32.21 | Hydrant | likely not |
| 18:32.31 | Hydrant | right |
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| 18:32.36 | sol | the few things that would help security, Linux has most of 'em |
| 18:32.39 | mboldisc | That's one of the big selling points for the JVM |
| 18:32.44 | Hydrant | ewwwe JVM |
| 18:32.49 | Dave | :P |
| 18:32.53 | Hydrant | you could do some sort of jail for applications |
| 18:32.57 | sol | I'd say (a) an encrypted FS, and (b) password protected anytime it goes from sleep -> on |
| 18:33.07 | sol | that covers theft |
| 18:33.08 | Hydrant | you can basically disable access to certain files |
| 18:33.24 | Hydrant | ... what you want for theft is for the phone to call with the GPS |
| 18:33.36 | sol | well, for applications, unix file permissions should be good enough |
| 18:33.38 | Hydrant | ... or to check online if it is registered "stolen" or not |
| 18:33.46 | Dave | :D |
| 18:33.51 | Hydrant | sol: I'm just saying if you wanted the most silly secure phone in the world |
| 18:33.52 | sol | have your private files/whatever as your own user, and have the applications that dont need to access them run as 'nobody' |
| 18:33.53 | Dave | better yet |
| 18:33.57 | mboldisc | Yea Linux is secure, but you can't make the users any smarter |
| 18:33.58 | Dave | include a death module with it :D |
| 18:34.09 | Hydrant | or a taser |
| 18:34.09 | DocCod | i'd really see the face of the buddy stealling a FR right now |
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| 18:34.22 | Dave | x_x |
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| 18:34.31 | DocCod | with abttery runtime of like 12h and almost nothing working properly :P |
| 18:34.32 | Dave | The Doctor is IN. |
| 18:34.38 | sol | actually, I wouldn't mind a cron job that would see if its on wireless |
| 18:34.43 | sol | and if it is, use GPS to send its location to me |
| 18:34.47 | sol | :) |
| 18:34.48 | doc|work | not a doctor :) |
| 18:34.55 | sol | (to my house or something) |
| 18:35.01 | Hydrant | well you could have it check quickly online... like stolenopenmoko.com or something |
| 18:35.02 | Dave | :P |
| 18:35.14 | doc|work | does gps work well indoors? |
| 18:35.17 | Hydrant | if it's possible to lock the JTAG reader or something, you can basically make sure it's bricked |
| 18:35.18 | Dave | :P |
| 18:35.20 | sol | no, I'd have it report its GPS location directly to me...vigilante justice... |
| 18:35.22 | Dave | doc, no. |
| 18:35.27 | Dave | Near a window it's pretty good. |
| 18:35.29 | Hydrant | direct to the NRA :-) |
| 18:35.34 | Dave | especially off of the ground floor |
| 18:35.37 | Hydrant | what does the GPS on it do ? |
| 18:35.49 | doc|work | Hydrant: give you the location |
| 18:35.50 | sol | would bring his wooden "OpenMoko rescue device" |
| 18:35.54 | mjr | Hydrant, get you the location? |
| 18:36.03 | sol | lol |
| 18:36.04 | SpeedEvil | You just need to implement the on-board thermite driver. |
| 18:36.12 | Dave | Muwahahahha |
| 18:36.13 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: that'd rock |
| 18:36.18 | Dave | I like your style, Speedevil :) |
| 18:36.18 | SpeedEvil | Burning thieves genitals off ++ |
| 18:36.20 | sol | why would I wanna destroy it |
| 18:36.23 | sol | :( |
| 18:36.26 | Dave | Let's be friends :) |
| 18:36.29 | sol | I'd want it *back* |
| 18:36.34 | cb22 | why not just make the liion battery explode? |
| 18:36.39 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: "it was the battery judge, blame sony" |
| 18:36.43 | Hydrant | cb22: that's a good idea |
| 18:36.47 | Dave | It already seems to do that quite fine :) |
| 18:36.48 | sol | yea, actually, @ cb22 |
| 18:36.52 | Dave | :D |
| 18:36.56 | doc|work | cb22: courts tend to frown upon murder |
| 18:37.05 | Dave | nah |
| 18:37.09 | SpeedEvil | The battery is close to the vibrator motor. |
| 18:37.09 | Hydrant | remember that the law doesn't understand it |
| 18:37.14 | sol | I wonder if there'd be enough room to put thermite & magnesium near the battery |
| 18:37.18 | cb22 | doc|work: pfft, it was an accident |
| 18:37.21 | sol | then the battery explodes & lights the thermite :) voila |
| 18:37.26 | Dave | POWER OVERWHELMING |
| 18:37.28 | Hydrant | just say "sorry... the software did it" and they'd be like ooh... I have problems with my email too... dismissed |
| 18:37.31 | doc|work | heh |
| 18:37.44 | SpeedEvil | If you add a little cutting wheel that flies out when you rotate teh motor backwards, and cuts into the battery. |
| 18:37.48 | sol | I don't think I want the thermite stuff until someone's...debugged it :) |
| 18:37.59 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: also useful for opening tins of peas |
| 18:38.05 | Hydrant | haha |
| 18:38.06 | zedstar | just wait for the thieve to turn up on IRC asking questions how to use the phone! |
| 18:38.07 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: killer feature |
| 18:38.07 | Dave | debugged their genetalia off? |
| 18:38.15 | Dave | :P |
| 18:38.20 | Dave | haha, lame. |
| 18:38.24 | Hydrant | maybe just a vial of skunk odor |
| 18:38.32 | Hydrant | something that can be cleaned off with time, but will smell super nasty |
| 18:38.37 | doc|work | Hydrant: makes sense, until you drop the phone |
| 18:39.01 | cb22 | hugs proxytunnel |
| 18:39.15 | cb22 | nothing like using free vodafone live for anything you want :) |
| 18:39.32 | doc|work | anywho, I'm thinking remote overcharging to burn out the thief's/end purchasers mobo |
| 18:39.34 | Dave | Nothing like being a US citizen. |
| 18:39.49 | Hydrant | ooh... I have a good idea... have the brand name change over to "Microsoft"... that way if someone steals it, they'll immediately throw it in the nearest trash bin |
| 18:39.57 | Dave | Doc, that sounds like an elective aftermarket modification :) |
| 18:40.03 | doc|work | i.e. they're charging via USB, the phone contacts you and remotely you get it to try to charge at 2A :) |
| 18:40.12 | cb22 | nothing like using free vodafone live for anything you want :) |
| 18:40.14 | Dave | Hydrant, ah, the typical Microsoft(R) Tentacle Rape? |
| 18:40.20 | Dave | :) |
| 18:40.28 | Hydrant | ... or just use the phone to take their bank info while it's connected via USB |
| 18:40.36 | Hydrant | get yourself 10 phones instead |
| 18:40.41 | cb22 | so any iea when it's going to be shipped out? |
| 18:40.46 | Dave | GRENADES |
| 18:40.52 | doc|work | Hydrant: too traceable |
| 18:41.06 | zedstar | cool some woman served underarm on the tennis! sneaky |
| 18:41.09 | cb22 | also, anyone in the SF area here? |
| 18:41.27 | Dave | rolls his eyes at zedstar. |
| 18:41.43 | zedstar | is in friday beer mode |
| 18:41.47 | doc|work | 191 phones left :( |
| 18:41.55 | cb22 | doc|work: huh? |
| 18:41.57 | Dave | all your phones... |
| 18:42.03 | doc|work | cb22: according to the site |
| 18:42.09 | cb22 | which site? |
| 18:42.10 | zash | zedstar: http://pic.zash.se/glassgubbe-partymode.gif |
| 18:42.17 | Dave | bah |
| 18:42.39 | zedstar | phew thought u wanna goatse me then |
| 18:42.39 | doc|work | cb22: apple.com have started selling the freerunner. didn't you hear? which site do you think? |
| 18:42.46 | doc|work | :) |
| 18:42.49 | cb22 | oi |
| 18:42.59 | cb22 | :) from direct or distributors? |
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| 18:43.06 | doc|work | cb22: direct |
| 18:43.11 | cb22 | crap |
| 18:43.13 | cb22 | i need to get one |
| 18:43.17 | doc|work | no! |
| 18:43.17 | cb22 | but my cc isn't working |
| 18:43.22 | kelvie_ | wow are they not sold out yet? |
| 18:43.26 | doc|work | leave some for my group :) |
| 18:43.35 | kelvie_ | they're selling a lot slower than I thought they would :P |
| 18:43.44 | cb22 | doc|work: any chance you are in the SF area? |
| 18:44.02 | doc|work | kelvie_: we don't know how many they had, but they sold at least 250 in 12 hours |
| 18:44.15 | doc|work | cb22: nope, vancouver canada, waiting on my group to get their shit together |
| 18:44.20 | kelvie_ | yeah that seems somewhat of a low number :P |
| 18:44.24 | kelvie_ | how fast did it sell the first time? |
| 18:44.47 | cb22 | doc|work: where is this counter? |
| 18:44.56 | DocCod | in one of the european stores, 400 phones were sold out in like 2.5 hours |
| 18:44.56 | doc|work | kelvie_: in those 12 hours most people who'd be buying from that store were asleep :) |
| 18:45.27 | doc|work | cb22: I think it was SpeedEvil's trick. Go to the store, try to order 1000 and click update, it will update to the max number they have left. |
| 18:45.42 | cb22 | hah, clever |
| 18:45.48 | doc|work | indeed |
| 18:45.58 | doc|work | cb22: that of course might not be accurate |
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| 18:46.16 | Bumbl | hi |
| 18:46.52 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/Freerunner.gif for a graph |
| 18:47.17 | Bumbl | since I am not able to get wlan with wpa2 working on my freerunner at the moment, is it possible to route the connection over usb to the freerunner? |
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| 18:48.09 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: nice |
| 18:48.41 | doc|work | at that rate they'll be sold out before I get to buy mine :( |
| 18:48.57 | Dave | hahahah, the aux led blinks red repeatedly upon kernel panic |
| 18:49.09 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Fancy! |
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| 18:49.15 | ccfly | hello folks :) |
| 18:49.46 | cb22 | waits for xorg to install |
| 18:50.34 | doc|work | Dave: like this: http://www.reellifewisdom.com/files/images/hal2.jpg ? |
| 18:50.37 | Bumbl | Dave: how do you get kernelpanic? |
| 18:50.40 | cb22 | anyone havve any insider info on when the next batch of devices will come through? |
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| 18:50.58 | doc|work | Dave: I'm sorry Dave I can't... oops! |
| 18:51.18 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.29 | doc|work | hahaha, that'd rock, on kernel panic it starts playing daisy.wav over and over again |
| 18:52.22 | Bumbl | cb22: @pulster.eu the second batch is aimed to be shipped until 25.7.2008 |
| 18:52.30 | cb22 | or displays hello.jpg :p |
| 18:54.19 | doc|work | hello.jpg? |
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| 18:54.40 | doc|work | is that something I want to search for? I'm thinking probably not :) |
| 18:54.45 | mmontour | doc|work: you don't want to know :) |
| 18:55.10 | cb22 | doc|work: yeah. think dodgy .cx domains |
| 18:55.14 | Hydrant | well, my phone is in the mail... now to wait until it ships |
| 18:55.19 | mmontour | Or in this case, the appropriate smiley would be closer to =O= |
| 18:55.27 | doc|work | right :) |
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| 18:59.06 | Bumbl | so it is not possible to bring the freerunner into the internet over usb |
| 18:59.31 | DocCod | Bumbl: i think it should be possible, but I wouldn't know yet, still waiting for mine |
| 18:59.36 | abraxa_ | Bumbl: Sure is... where did you get the idea it weren't? |
| 18:59.59 | luroh | yikes, neo freerunner is already sold out? |
| 19:00.08 | SpeedEvil | luroh: not from the shop. |
| 19:00.15 | Bumbl | because i asked it before and nobody answered |
| 19:00.28 | zash | SpeedEvil: what le hell, less than 400 frs? |
| 19:00.34 | abraxa_ | Bumbl: Well, that's probably because it's easily found on the wiki :) |
| 19:00.38 | luroh | SpeedEvil: hmm, shop says: "GSM 900 Sold Out!" |
| 19:00.41 | mjr | Bumbl, puh-leese |
| 19:01.03 | Bumbl | abraxa_: i haven't found it; the wiki search is crap |
| 19:01.07 | SpeedEvil | luroh: It may never have had stock |
| 19:01.09 | abraxa_ | Bumbl: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 19:01.17 | josch | Bumbl, use the dnrd method |
| 19:01.23 | josch | the script works for sure [tm] |
| 19:01.46 | Bumbl | thank you |
| 19:01.48 | cb22 | josch: you getting a freerunner? |
| 19:01.50 | luroh | SpeedEvil: heh, funny shop. ok, i'll click around som more |
| 19:01.55 | luroh | some* |
| 19:01.58 | abraxa_ | Bumbl: You're welcome :) |
| 19:02.21 | josch | cb22, nope - my gta01 ist enough as I only do developing with it |
| 19:02.28 | josch | and additionally |
| 19:02.44 | josch | 350⬠were already spend on my new mokopedia bulidmachine |
| 19:03.09 | cb22 | josch: when i get my new PC i can donate some cpu cycles to that :) |
| 19:03.16 | cb22 | 8 cores ftw |
| 19:03.22 | josch | o0 |
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| 19:03.40 | josch | cb22, i hope you have a high-end raid too there? |
| 19:03.54 | cb22 | only $1000 with 8gb of ram too |
| 19:04.01 | josch | -.- |
| 19:04.17 | cb22 | josch: not high end, but 4x 250gb hdds that i, uh, 'borrowed' from my dad |
| 19:04.25 | cb22 | thats like 500EUR ;) |
| 19:04.37 | josch | for 350⬠i got a core2quad that i overclocked to 3GHz, 4gig ram, shuttle case, psu.... |
| 19:05.03 | josch | as i only care about the processor this is enough for me |
| 19:05.21 | josch | somehow php's slowness has to be compensated with pure force |
| 19:05.57 | doc|work | stop talking about new hardware please |
| 19:06.03 | josch | lol :D |
| 19:06.05 | doc|work | squints at 1024x768 crt |
| 19:06.10 | josch | o0 |
| 19:06.15 | doc|work | work :/ |
| 19:06.29 | josch | cb22, what so you use this baby for? |
| 19:06.30 | lpotter | squints at 640x480 crt |
| 19:06.38 | doc|work | lpotter: really? o.O |
| 19:06.42 | lpotter | no |
| 19:06.45 | doc|work | good |
| 19:06.48 | josch | squints at 480x640 lcd :D |
| 19:06.51 | doc|work | thought they'd been killed |
| 19:06.54 | doc|work | josch: hah |
| 19:07.09 | lpotter | squints at 1680x1050 lcd |
| 19:07.41 | josch | brb macross |
| 19:10.00 | doc|work | lpotter: yeah, have that at home |
| 19:10.02 | doc|work | mmmmm |
| 19:10.38 | doc|work | lpotter: any idea when qtopia will be available? |
| 19:11.19 | lpotter | I will release a 4.3.x image this next week, if it builds |
| 19:11.30 | lpotter | :) |
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| 19:12.23 | doc|work | cool :) |
| 19:12.32 | goodwill | you folks have issues |
| 19:12.35 | lpotter | but 4.4 will be the thing to use, as it has a web browser |
| 19:12.47 | doc|work | lpotter: any eta on that? :) |
| 19:12.52 | ferric | o. morning. |
| 19:12.52 | doc|work | goodwill: ? |
| 19:13.11 | goodwill | squinting and all |
| 19:13.21 | Zoup | Any idea when 900MHZ will be available ? |
| 19:13.21 | goodwill | ;-P |
| 19:13.51 | Dave | POWER PROBLEMS. |
| 19:14.22 | goodwill | Zoup: 900Mhz? |
| 19:14.36 | lpotter | doc|work: soon. I cant remember the release date set. |
| 19:14.47 | Zoup | goodwill: European gsm-900 phones |
| 19:14.57 | goodwill | oh right |
| 19:15.03 | goodwill | I heard they sold out |
| 19:16.01 | linuxxr | im glad i made it!! |
| 19:16.20 | Zoup | Dave: is that , THAT bad ? |
| 19:16.31 | Zoup | goodwill: yeah , any idea when they will be available ? |
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| 19:16.52 | mjr | pulster.de was talking about getting more around the 25th |
| 19:17.00 | ccfly | http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ |
| 19:17.15 | sol | ooooooooo I just thought of a good idea |
| 19:17.21 | sol | if I leave my phone at home when I go to work |
| 19:17.28 | sol | login via ssh & check my text messages :D |
| 19:17.32 | sol | + maybe send them out |
| 19:17.36 | sol | dont even need to have my phone with me |
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| 19:18.16 | mjr | sol, indeed. You can even remote access the GUI if you want... |
| 19:18.20 | sol | ooo vnc? |
| 19:18.35 | mjr | yeah, just install x11vnc on it and boom |
| 19:18.40 | sol | its already working? |
| 19:18.40 | mjr | done that, for presentation purposes :] |
| 19:18.42 | sol | fuck yea |
| 19:19.33 | mjr | handy to project the neo screen from the presentation lappie |
| 19:23.24 | SpeedEvil | Naah. Just put it on a overhead projector, and set the backlight to over 9000%. |
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| 19:25.16 | Dave | Speedevil, nice :D |
| 19:25.30 | Dave | you surely are evil. |
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| 19:26.50 | ferric | happy ID Dave :-) |
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| 19:27.58 | paulproteus | lpotter, The Trolls have no intent of making the Qtopia apps work with the FSO dbus layer - is that correct? |
| 19:28.07 | paulproteus | (Just trying to clarify for myself the state of things) |
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| 19:29.02 | jOERG_rw | Dave: hi |
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| 19:29.55 | lpotter | paulproteus: havent really thought about it. |
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| 19:30.38 | lpotter | it would seem like a rather bg change, which would take convincing management |
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| 19:30.54 | paulproteus | nods |
| 19:31.10 | lpotter | i will look into it though |
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| 19:31.33 | lpotter | perhaps it can be my Creative Friday project. I have been looking for one to do |
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| 19:36.24 | roh | re |
| 19:38.06 | goodwill | done training the spam filters |
| 19:38.36 | goodwill | lpotter: Creative Friday? what is that? google? |
| 19:39.03 | lpotter | trolltech |
| 19:39.13 | lpotter | ermm.. Trolltech, a Nokia company |
| 19:39.17 | lpotter | :) |
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| 19:39.29 | goodwill | lpotter: ah... |
| 19:39.49 | goodwill | lpotter: is this Noia policy or trolltech? |
| 19:39.51 | lpotter | google didnt start the 20% 'work on other stuff' |
| 19:39.58 | lpotter | trolltech has always had that |
| 19:40.34 | zedstar | creative friday sounds like a usual friday in the pub in UK companies ;) |
| 19:41.15 | lpotter | we have either createive friday projects, or research projects which is more like a block of time devoted to doing it, rather than one day everyweek |
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| 19:41.27 | goodwill | lpotter: you think nokia will keep that policy? |
| 19:41.35 | lpotter | yes |
| 19:42.04 | lpotter | a lot of talent would leave if they changed it |
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| 19:44.29 | Bumbl | how can I change the fso demo icons into application launchers; i have read it is possible but i can't find the how to anymore |
| 19:45.05 | TAsn | Bumbl, my guess: |
| 19:45.19 | TAsn | when you download all the data from svn |
| 19:45.43 | TAsn | you get the image files with it, replace the appropriate image files with the ones you want :) |
| 19:45.53 | TAsn | oh, oops |
| 19:46.10 | TAsn | just re read what you wrote, and i answered a Q you didn't ask :) |
| 19:46.14 | TAsn | sorry about that. ;) |
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| 19:46.25 | Bumbl | no i have read something about copying .desktop files form /usr/share/applications to another directory |
| 19:46.34 | Bumbl | but I can't find to which |
| 19:46.40 | Bumbl | np |
| 19:46.40 | TAsn | sounds reasonable enough. |
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| 19:46.48 | TAsn | well i guess it will be in your home dir |
| 19:46.53 | Infinyte1 | Arg. :< |
| 19:46.54 | TAsn | /home/root/ |
| 19:47.07 | Infinyte1 | The store won't accept mah CreditCard. They should use PayPal. >_> |
| 19:47.36 | TAsn | weird it's not /root but i saw someone saying here that it is in fact in /home/root |
| 19:47.36 | goodwill | Infinyte1: maybe its personal? |
| 19:47.44 | goodwill | Infinyte1: you should tell its pretty |
| 19:47.56 | Infinyte1 | Lulz |
| 19:48.25 | Infinyte1 | Well I think my CC company just doesn't allow out of country purchases, I'll have to call them and authorize it. But they aren't open. ._. |
| 19:48.28 | TAsn | Infinyte1, i guess god does not want to add you to my hit list (yeah, Im jealous) |
| 19:48.53 | TAsn | Infinyte1, where are you from? |
| 19:48.56 | Bumbl | no it is /home/root which I don't understand why |
| 19:48.57 | Infinyte1 | USA |
| 19:49.06 | TAsn | Bumbl, weird. |
| 19:49.29 | TAsn | Infinyte1, then why out of country purchase? |
| 19:49.40 | TAsn | Bumbl, yeah, weird. |
| 19:49.40 | smhar | This is from the openmoko wiki main page:'FreeRunners are shipping now in the EU from resellers, and in North America from |
| 19:49.41 | smhar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.56 | Infinyte1 | Well, the "Hi_trust" thing that you use to purchase is ran through EU. |
| 19:50.01 | TAsn | smhar, asia also from the asian resellers :) |
| 19:50.20 | TAsn | no one apparently live in australia though. |
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| 19:51.10 | smhar | TAsn, the only non EU reseler is in India, and they do not have eshop page to sell outside indea |
| 19:51.12 | Bumbl | TAsn, actually it is but i can't help |
| 19:51.55 | polz | where can I read the documentation for gta01's LCD controller ? |
| 19:52.00 | TAsn | Bumbl, what? |
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| 19:52.08 | polz | I'd like to switch the mode to QVGA |
| 19:52.24 | Bumbl | <TAsn> Bumbl, yeah, weird |
| 19:52.29 | Infinyte1 | It says: Error from the Hi Trust gateway: |
| 19:52.31 | Infinyte1 | :\ |
| 19:52.46 | TAsn | <Bumbl> TAsn, actually it is but i can't help |
| 19:52.52 | TAsn | did you mean it* can't...? |
| 19:53.12 | Bumbl | and it is not /home/root to drop the desktop files |
| 19:53.21 | TAsn | Bumbl, of course not. |
| 19:53.29 | TAsn | look for a dir |
| 19:53.32 | TAsn | Desktop there. |
| 19:53.41 | TAsn | or something like that. |
| 19:53.51 | TAsn | just look in the qtopia wiki or something. |
| 19:54.37 | Bumbl | anyway I'm off for today |
| 19:54.38 | smhar | will openmoko ever offer the 900mhz model direct from its online store? |
| 19:54.41 | Bumbl | bye |
| 19:54.48 | TAsn | smhar, yeah. |
| 19:55.03 | TAsn | next weak or something |
| 19:55.05 | Infinyte1 | Will they ever use PayPal? :D |
| 19:55.06 | Infinyte1 | >_> |
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| 19:55.13 | TAsn | Infinyte1, may be. |
| 19:55.24 | TAsn | Infinyte1, but some of the retailers use paypal... |
| 19:55.29 | TAsn | anyway, im off. |
| 19:55.30 | TAsn | cya all. |
| 19:55.40 | Infinyte1 | Guess it doesn't matter. I can call my CC company tomorrow and hopefully get it autho'd. |
| 19:55.42 | Infinyte1 | Seeya |
| 19:56.19 | mmontour | Paypal is evil. I'm glad that OM doesn't use it. |
| 19:56.41 | Sonicadvance | aw, but I like Paypal |
| 19:57.53 | buz | about the only good thing about paypal is that you dont have to enter everything at every store |
| 19:58.01 | buz | but aside of that, it's a totally f'up company |
| 19:58.44 | Sonicadvance | Blame Ebay for owning it |
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| 19:59.18 | Dave | :D |
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| 20:01.04 | Dave | sends Sonicadvance Infinyte1 mmontour SIGBEER |
| 20:01.24 | Sonicadvance | never |
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| 20:01.32 | Dave | trapped? :o |
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| 20:03.01 | goodwill | ok, I should be getting mine sometime next week |
| 20:03.16 | goodwill | and fso-light finally compiled |
| 20:03.19 | goodwill | joy, joy |
| 20:04.24 | ConfidentiaL | anyone from norway here who have recieved the phone yet? |
| 20:07.19 | smhar | the last email in the openmoko archive is dated 30th June 2008, what is happening? any fixed or approximate date of the availability of 900mhz models through OM store? |
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| 20:10.26 | mmontour | smhar: the ML archives are grouped by month - look in the July directory. |
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| 20:10.52 | Dave | BBQ! |
| 20:11.07 | smhar | wait a minute, I forgot that :-) |
| 20:11.47 | Dave | Who wants some food? :D |
| 20:11.52 | ferric | I DO |
| 20:12.17 | sol | good idea, im hungry |
| 20:12.56 | Dave | haha, I should put up a sign in front of my place... |
| 20:13.04 | Dave | COME FOR THE FREERUNNER, STAY FOR THE FOOD! |
| 20:13.12 | ferric | haha |
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| 20:15.04 | Dave | hey, it'd probably get ferric to drive down :) |
| 20:17.01 | nullpuppy | hrm, this time tzdata_2007k.bb failed. but it finished! |
| 20:17.13 | Dave | o_O |
| 20:17.28 | nullpuppy | precisely |
| 20:17.36 | Dave | oh, packages? |
| 20:17.41 | nullpuppy | i think so |
| 20:17.47 | Dave | Oh yeah |
| 20:17.49 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 20:17.54 | nullpuppy | ERROR: Task 5677 (/home/dustin/Code/OpenMoko/moko/openembedded/packages/tzdata/tzdata_2007k.bb, do_package) failed |
| 20:17.56 | ferric | I probably would Dave |
| 20:17.56 | Dave | a lot of shit fails sometimes, but installs fine |
| 20:17.58 | Dave | right |
| 20:18.02 | Dave | It's annoying. |
| 20:18.10 | nullpuppy | yup :) |
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| 20:18.23 | Dave | like after the fack, check the pkg info and it'll say installed |
| 20:18.24 | ferric | ok food. |
| 20:18.28 | Dave | I think that should be fixed. |
| 20:18.31 | Dave | feeds ferric |
| 20:20.19 | nullpuppy | hmm, maybe thats part of my problem... run-qemu is using -M gta01 |
| 20:20.23 | nullpuppy | should change that |
| 20:21.49 | Dave | oh :P |
| 20:22.23 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 20:22.46 | nullpuppy | bah, why didn't i look at that before.... |
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| 20:23.01 | nullpuppy | MACHINE = in local.conf shouldn't be om-gta01 should it? :/ |
| 20:23.07 | nullpuppy | (for the freerunner) |
| 20:23.17 | Dave | probably not! :D |
| 20:24.19 | nullpuppy | sighs |
| 20:24.30 | nullpuppy | changes the 1 to a 2 and builds |
| 20:24.39 | Dave | heehee :P |
| 20:25.02 | nullpuppy | that blows |
| 20:25.14 | nullpuppy | remakes openmoko-devel-image |
| 20:25.26 | Dave | whee |
| 20:25.35 | Dave | sit back, and relax now? |
| 20:25.41 | nullpuppy | something like that ;) |
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| 20:25.49 | nullpuppy | I need a damn compile farm ;) |
| 20:26.31 | kdubois | a beowulf cluster for compiling stuff would be awesome |
| 20:26.43 | nullpuppy | -M gta02fake right? |
| 20:26.53 | nullpuppy | kdubois: hehe, yeah. definitely |
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| 20:27.34 | nullpuppy | awww, can't run with old images ;) |
| 20:30.10 | cb22 | josch: <from 2 hours ago or so> i also have a 9800gtx |
| 20:30.22 | cb22 | i intend to do some serious bzflag playing :) |
| 20:30.26 | josch | -.- |
| 20:30.34 | cb22 | that, and make -j 10 :) |
| 20:30.37 | josch | haha |
| 20:30.46 | josch | nvidia == evil |
| 20:30.56 | josch | your money is better spend in oss amd stuff :P |
| 20:31.00 | cb22 | no ways |
| 20:31.07 | cb22 | give me an amd driver on freebsd |
| 20:31.12 | nullpuppy | huh. should i just run make setup-machine-freerunner first? |
| 20:31.15 | cb22 | s/amd/ati/ |
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| 20:31.28 | josch | cb22, does nvidia supply freebsd drivers?? |
| 20:31.42 | cb22 | yep, they work great too |
| 20:31.44 | cb22 | 3d |
| 20:31.44 | goodwill | josch: yep |
| 20:31.49 | josch | but only for i386? |
| 20:32.08 | cb22 | ... |
| 20:32.12 | cb22 | crap |
| 20:32.15 | cb22 | boo hoo |
| 20:32.47 | josch | bets on xf86-video-ati becoming usable (as in 3d performance) over time |
| 20:33.04 | cb22 | searchs the web for info on that |
| 20:33.15 | nullpuppy | josch: yup. |
| 20:33.25 | cb22 | and can't do PAE with modules |
| 20:33.58 | nullpuppy | ati drivers are only gonna get better. thank god for amd ;) yay for released specs |
| 20:34.27 | josch | yeah no illegal proprietary kernel modules anymore! |
| 20:34.29 | josch | yey! |
| 20:34.46 | nullpuppy | yay! |
| 20:34.55 | cb22 | they need to have decent cards first :p |
| 20:35.01 | goodwill | yeah, xorg set up and video drivers for linux have really improved over last 2 years |
| 20:35.13 | goodwill | in another two years it probably will all be nicely consolidated |
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| 20:35.29 | josch | cb22, the 4800 series is pretty decent :P |
| 20:35.42 | cb22 | remember when you had to go through setting up that custom gl x seerver just to get compiz working |
| 20:35.48 | josch | nvidia just dropped their prices to compete with them |
| 20:35.50 | cb22 | the name avoids me.. |
| 20:36.07 | josch | goodwill, ack |
| 20:36.20 | goodwill | cb22: yeah...that sucked |
| 20:36.23 | goodwill | aiglx |
| 20:36.33 | cb22 | josch: for whatever reason, i've always liked nvidia/intel |
| 20:36.48 | cb22 | although performance seems to go in turns |
| 20:36.48 | goodwill | cb22: the new intel cards really suck |
| 20:36.54 | josch | my old saying: "nvidia crap never enters my home" :P |
| 20:37.02 | goodwill | cb22: I had the worst luck with 965 series |
| 20:37.03 | cb22 | goodwill: processors |
| 20:37.09 | josch | well anyways |
| 20:37.14 | goodwill | cb22: I am talking driver support |
| 20:37.15 | josch | doesnt need any 3d |
| 20:37.23 | goodwill | it flipping locking me the box |
| 20:37.25 | josch | so i do not really care |
| 20:37.40 | SpeedEvil | wants 34d, for faithful reproduction of string theory. |
| 20:37.42 | cb22 | although performance seems to go in turns. like pentium 4 sucked, then core 2 started owning. and lets not even speak about the fx 5xxx series |
| 20:37.55 | josch | SpeedEvil, lol |
| 20:37.55 | Dave | haha |
| 20:38.11 | Dave | Speedevil, would you settle for a doughnut right now, instead? :) |
| 20:38.15 | Dave | offers |
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| 20:38.23 | cb22 | can i haz doughnut? |
| 20:38.29 | Dave | eh, I suppose :P |
| 20:38.33 | Dave | I've got a bunch |
| 20:38.38 | nullpuppy | ooh, i wants a doughnut! |
| 20:38.43 | Dave | that and some fresh-off-the-grill barbecue :D |
| 20:38.48 | josch | never ever ate a donut... |
| 20:39.06 | cb22 | munches on a doughnut while waiting for xorg to compile on his eee |
| 20:39.10 | nullpuppy | hmm, so.. mokomakefile needs some updating.. doesn't like freerunner and qemu at the moment :) |
| 20:39.13 | Dave | :D |
| 20:39.36 | Dave | mokomake me a hamburger :D |
| 20:39.40 | linuxxr | man sorting through these logs are going to be real frustrating |
| 20:39.43 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 20:40.07 | Dave | ;) |
| 20:41.32 | linuxxr | should the device be fully updated at some point |
| 20:41.38 | goodwill | linuxxr: what log files? |
| 20:41.42 | linuxxr | the freerunner |
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| 20:41.55 | Dave | Man, does anyone have the matchbox-keyboard-* and input packages available? |
| 20:42.00 | goodwill | linuxxr: not enough information |
| 20:42.04 | Dave | Hello Jon |
| 20:42.16 | goodwill | Dave: for what? devel? |
| 20:42.36 | cb22 | wow, 45kbyte/s+ through proxytunnel on vodafone live |
| 20:42.43 | Dave | The repo is down, and they're not in main yet :P |
| 20:42.51 | cb22 | if only i had a freerunner to run it on, instead of an eee :( |
| 20:42.54 | Dave | and I need to install them on one of my gta02's |
| 20:43.07 | cb22 | Dave: one of? |
| 20:43.13 | Dave | Correct. |
| 20:43.21 | cb22 | how many do you have? |
| 20:43.30 | josch | yeey |
| 20:43.31 | SpeedEvil | cb22: what's the device? |
| 20:43.33 | Dave | many |
| 20:43.33 | josch | gnight all |
| 20:43.53 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: my nokia e51 |
| 20:43.55 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 20:43.59 | Dave | So does anyone have them available, or could point me to their respective svn. |
| 20:44.16 | cb22 | hooked up with usb. i expected the filtering to be a lot harder to get around |
| 20:44.39 | cb22 | infact, it didnt work. then i realized i was using the wrong ip |
| 20:46.04 | Dave | Bah |
| 20:46.33 | Dave | Anyone have the svn of the matchbox keyboard input? |
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| 20:47.12 | Pjj_ | anyone got a freerunner from pulster yet? |
| 20:47.14 | kdubois | so are there any good really tiny keyboards out there that i can plug into the usb port of the gta02? |
| 20:47.41 | goodwill | Dave: I can make you those |
| 20:47.43 | SpeedEvil | kdubois: nice teeny BT ons |
| 20:47.50 | SpeedEvil | credit card sized |
| 20:48.04 | kdubois | really? that would be great. what are they called? |
| 20:48.33 | SpeedEvil | freedom bluetooth keyboard |
| 20:48.38 | SpeedEvil | google |
| 20:48.49 | kdubois | thanks SpeedEvil |
| 20:49.02 | Dave | Goodwill, and I cannot make them myself? |
| 20:49.20 | Dave | Speedevil, wow, and they are useful? |
| 20:49.32 | goodwill | Danker: well I have almost the whole tree compiled...it woudl probably be fast |
| 20:50.03 | Danker | Maybe Dave? x) |
| 20:50.23 | Dave | heehee :p |
| 20:50.27 | Dave | Yes, perhaps ;) |
| 20:50.34 | Dave | dankje, Danker :D |
| 20:51.09 | Danker | Dave: From? Danish? :) |
| 20:51.23 | goodwill | Danker: oops |
| 20:51.25 | Danker | Actually it is based on german word x) |
| 20:51.32 | Dave | Dutch :p |
| 20:51.34 | goodwill | Dave: well I have almost the whole tree compiled...it would probably be fast |
| 20:51.43 | Dave | Yes, I heard you, Mr. Will. :p |
| 20:51.51 | daMaestro | : Your Order ID is: 2217 |
| 20:51.55 | Dave | Goodwill, so long as your packages work, and aren't crap, sure. |
| 20:51.59 | Dave | Send 'em on over :) |
| 20:52.07 | goodwill | Dave: I have no idea if they work... |
| 20:52.18 | SpeedEvil | kdubois: depends if you want a keyb that small. There are lots of assorted bluetooth keyboards of all sizes. |
| 20:52.49 | Dave | Clearly :) |
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| 20:53.05 | Dave | Speedevil, wasn't sure if you had used any of them yourself, or if you were partial to them. |
| 20:53.18 | Dave | Though yes, the community thanks you for your information, once again :) |
| 20:54.11 | Dave | in the meantime... come on satellites! |
| 20:54.23 | Dave | why do you forsake me! |
| 20:54.34 | kdubois | SpeedEvil: i just want a small keyboard i can throw in my laptop bag, this looks like it fits the bill |
| 20:55.08 | cb22 | Dave: a 'virgin' fix could take some tie |
| 20:55.11 | cb22 | time* |
| 20:55.27 | mmontour | daMaestro: looks like 173 left in the store now - time for SpeedEvil to update his graph |
| 20:55.34 | Dave | cb22, not with this size antenna I've got connected to it :D |
| 20:55.45 | SpeedEvil | Dave: used none |
| 20:55.49 | Dave | Meh this is with the DOA phone though |
| 20:55.49 | daMaestro | mmontour, yeah; i'm just glad i managed to get my order in |
| 20:55.50 | mmontour | (although I only checked the singles, not the 10-packs) |
| 20:55.52 | Dave | Speed evil, alright. |
| 20:56.16 | daMaestro | MUCH smoother this time |
| 20:56.27 | goodwill | Dave: check you PM |
| 20:57.09 | Infinyte1 | There an alternate way to buy the Freerunner in the US? :< |
| 20:57.22 | TAsn | kdubois, i think you should be better off with a silicon folding keyboard... |
| 20:57.26 | daMaestro | i made sure to have an "openmoko" budget (which includes an unlimited data plan for when i get my device) |
| 20:57.33 | daMaestro | you know your a geek when. |
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| 20:57.56 | nullpuppy | Infinyte1: if you click the Buy from a Distributor instead of the openmoko store, they have lists of people in the .eu and asia |
| 20:58.00 | TAsn | Infinyte1, i saw something about fica.com but it sounds like it's them. anyway they do leave a phone number... just look in the distributors page. |
| 20:58.03 | daMaestro | anyone working on getting blackberry "push" functions to work with gsmd? |
| 20:58.13 | kdubois | TAsn: that looks like it might be good too... |
| 20:58.17 | TAsn | nullpuppy, they also added the us and canada there. |
| 20:58.22 | TAsn | kdubois, go for it :) |
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| 20:58.24 | nullpuppy | awesome. about time ;) |
| 20:58.52 | Infinyte1 | They did? |
| 20:59.00 | Infinyte1 | OH |
| 20:59.02 | Infinyte1 | They did. :D |
| 20:59.06 | TAsn | nullpuppy, i want more asia distributors, or maybe an option to get it cheap from the factory :) |
| 20:59.07 | nullpuppy | haha |
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| 20:59.14 | nullpuppy | TAsn: hehe, yeah ;) |
| 20:59.17 | TAsn | Infinyte1, i rock ;0 |
| 20:59.27 | Infinyte1 | <3 you TAsn. |
| 21:00.00 | TAsn | what does that mean? i don't talk internet. :) |
| 21:00.02 | Infinyte1 | Now if only Fica wasn't timing out. >_> |
| 21:00.04 | Infinyte1 | Oh. |
| 21:00.04 | Infinyte1 | :< |
| 21:00.12 | Infinyte1 | <3=Heart=Lovez |
| 21:00.13 | Infinyte1 | :D |
| 21:00.18 | cb22 | fica? |
| 21:00.31 | Dave | gprs |
| 21:00.31 | Infinyte1 | www.fica.com = Alternate US buying site |
| 21:00.35 | TAsn | Infinyte1, fica and the canadian distributors are timeouting. |
| 21:00.42 | Infinyte1 | Must be popular |
| 21:00.43 | Infinyte1 | >_> |
| 21:00.43 | TAsn | cb22, fica = fic america... |
| 21:00.52 | cb22 | ah |
| 21:00.57 | TAsn | yeah. |
| 21:01.04 | cb22 | must buy... |
| 21:01.12 | cb22 | openmoko don't want my money :(( |
| 21:01.34 | Infinyte1 | Mine either. :\ |
| 21:01.38 | TAsn | cb22, hehe :) |
| 21:01.44 | TAsn | open moko want my money |
| 21:01.51 | TAsn | i just don't want their 850 :) |
| 21:03.01 | cb22 | so how do fic america sell the freerunner? |
| 21:03.35 | TAsn | cb22, the usual way, money for phone ;0 |
| 21:04.05 | cb22 | damn, i wanted a free one :) |
| 21:04.23 | TAsn | cb22, same here. |
| 21:04.37 | TAsn | although i have nothing to do with an 850 i wouldn't mind getting one :) |
| 21:04.50 | TAsn | (for free of course) |
| 21:05.03 | cb22 | 850 / 900 is not even used in south africa |
| 21:05.09 | cb22 | so it makes no difference to me |
| 21:05.16 | cb22 | but they wont take my damn money |
| 21:05.24 | TAsn | cb22, i c. |
| 21:05.35 | cb22 | even after going through the secured by visa thing, it still blocks me |
| 21:05.44 | cb22 | gonna call the bank tomorrow |
| 21:05.46 | Infinyte1 | Same cb22. |
| 21:05.47 | TAsn | no idea ;\ |
| 21:05.53 | TAsn | cb22, email them. |
| 21:06.00 | TAsn | Infinyte1, same goes for you... |
| 21:06.07 | Infinyte1 | E-Mail who? |
| 21:06.12 | TAsn | openmoko.com... |
| 21:06.14 | Infinyte1 | Oh |
| 21:06.15 | Infinyte1 | >_> |
| 21:06.23 | Infinyte1 | Sure, why not. |
| 21:06.27 | TAsn | :) |
| 21:06.41 | TAsn | well, im off, gotta get some food and sleep. :) |
| 21:07.00 | TAsn | hope you get your phones :) |
| 21:07.09 | Infinyte1 | Thanke |
| 21:08.03 | mmontour | TAsn: interesting. I didn't know that there was a canadian distributor. |
| 21:08.26 | TAsn | mmontour, not to late to cancel your openmoko.com order ;0 |
| 21:08.29 | TAsn | too* |
| 21:08.30 | Dave | :P |
| 21:08.56 | mmontour | TAsn: I haven't placed an order yet. I got my GTA01 from the first batch, but I'm going to let other people have the early-adopter fun with the Freerunner |
| 21:09.13 | smhar | any official plans to support RTL langauages in Freerunner? |
| 21:09.38 | SpeedEvil | smhar: one variant will come with a built-in mirror. |
| 21:09.52 | SpeedEvil | doesn't know. |
| 21:10.06 | TAsn | mmontour, hehe :) |
| 21:10.17 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, LOL :) |
| 21:10.33 | TAsn | smhar, from i know, support is there... |
| 21:10.34 | smhar | SpeedEvil, it is these times when I wish I am a programmer :-) |
| 21:10.51 | TAsn | i have a friend reading smses rtl |
| 21:10.59 | Dave | heh |
| 21:11.10 | Infinyte1 | Soo |
| 21:11.15 | Infinyte1 | How stable is the Freerunner? |
| 21:11.16 | Dave | Speedevil, a mirror, for what? |
| 21:11.20 | TAsn | writing is not possible yet, because of the on screen keyboard lacking the appropriate keys. |
| 21:11.46 | TAsn | smhar, don't you worry :) |
| 21:12.02 | cb22 | Dave: to flip the screen around |
| 21:12.02 | TAsn | rtl is deprecated anyway :) |
| 21:12.15 | smhar | TAsn, I am not. for the freedom I can sucrify some wating :-) |
| 21:13.10 | TAsn | smhar, i was thinking the same. |
| 21:13.15 | TAsn | i like english better anyway :) |
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| 21:13.40 | TAsn | i just need an excuse to write in it :) |
| 21:13.58 | smhar | is the onscreen keybord the only way of data entry, any thing available like grafiti |
| 21:15.01 | TAsn | smhar, i don't think grafiti like exists yet, though i think a regular usb\bt keyborad is sufficient. |
| 21:16.08 | luroh | what do you think about the chances for internet connectivity by hooking up a 3g usb modem (e.g. a huawei 220) to the moko? |
| 21:16.13 | Dave | haha |
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| 21:16.23 | cb22 | smhar: look at cellwriter |
| 21:16.36 | smhar | TAsn, when I had my Palm 505, I was quicker with grafiti than the onscreen keybord. an external mini keybord is sometimes an overkill for a quick messages |
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| 21:18.01 | TAsn | smhar, not sometimes, always :) |
| 21:18.21 | TAsn | luroh, i think it's a sure bet (if runs in linux) |
| 21:18.52 | bobkare | Is it possible to add a couple of keys to the onscreen keyboard? I'm missing æ ø and å for norwegian |
| 21:18.53 | luroh | nice! yes, it does come with driver sources |
| 21:19.23 | zash | dual modems! |
| 21:19.58 | smhar | no offical or non offical notice on the avilabilty of 900mhz models in webstore yet? |
| 21:20.25 | smhar | I can not go to sleep yet although it is 12:20am |
| 21:20.28 | zash | but, the other distrs? |
| 21:21.47 | TAsn | bobkare, sure it is, first thing i will do when i get a fr is to port a normal keyboard :) |
| 21:22.05 | spydon | Isn't the headset and pouch included anymore? |
| 21:22.32 | bobkare | TAsn: do you have any idea how much work it will be? Or where to start? |
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| 21:23.32 | mortenlysgaard | I've got the same Q as smhar, what about 900? |
| 21:23.40 | TAsn | bobkare, not till i start, i do not know nothing about programming to the fr, though it shouldn't be that hard, on screen keyboards do exist and they will be the base for my code. |
| 21:23.54 | TAsn | mortenlysgaard, you and everyone else :) |
| 21:24.41 | bobkare | TAsn: Ah, ok. so you're going to completely replace the keyb |
| 21:24.52 | TAsn | no. |
| 21:25.42 | TAsn | im not sure what i will do yet, though the idea is combining the current one and the regular on screen keyboards that everyone have... (on the desktop computers that is) |
| 21:26.06 | TAsn | something that checks the layout, reads the keys from the xorg's maps and such. |
| 21:26.08 | daMaestro | mmontour, boo re:not getting the freerunner ;-) |
| 21:26.13 | TAsn | nothing too fancy. |
| 21:26.36 | bobkare | Hm, ok. I was mainly wondering if there was an even easier way like some data file describing the keyboard that could be changed or something |
| 21:27.00 | daMaestro | mmontour, i got the gta01 purely to fund the development of the next hardware + platform ;-) |
| 21:27.04 | bobkare | but it sounds like I can just wait until you get yours ;> |
| 21:27.12 | TAsn | bobkare, i really don't know. i haven't gone in to it yet, im on a test period. |
| 21:27.12 | TAsn | ;) |
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| 21:27.25 | mmontour | daMaestro: i'll get one once I have reasonable confidence that the important bugs are software-only. |
| 21:27.33 | daMaestro | mmontour, i might have to get the jtag board for my gta01 though |
| 21:27.44 | TAsn | bobkare, i really want to get mine, but i need somewhere to order from and a way to get it here ;) |
| 21:28.04 | daMaestro | mmontour, yeah.. i'm hoping that all the bugs are just software based at this point (i should say i'm gambling on that fact) |
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| 21:28.43 | TAsn | daMaestro, same here. |
| 21:29.00 | daMaestro | mmontour, with the new python stack i'm planning on doing some serious hacking on this device |
| 21:29.00 | TAsn | well not everything is software, there's of course glamo |
| 21:29.13 | TAsn | daMaestro, be sure to write about it :) |
| 21:29.16 | daMaestro | as i'm hoping i can use it to replace my razr (and eventually my blackberry) |
| 21:29.36 | daMaestro | TAsn, oh; i'll be releasing the code |
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| 21:29.45 | daMaestro | release early; release often ;-) |
| 21:30.17 | TAsn | daMaestro, that's how oss should work :) |
| 21:30.21 | TAsn | well im really off now. |
| 21:30.22 | TAsn | cy.a |
| 21:30.41 | daMaestro | the first project i'll be hacking on is a gui for func http://fedorahosted.org/func |
| 21:30.44 | Pjj_ | anyone knows if pulster.de already shipped freerunners? |
| 21:30.56 | daMaestro | so i can manage services/servers via my freerunner |
| 21:31.42 | DocCod | Pjj_: yes, ome people already have theirs from pulster.de |
| 21:31.48 | DocCod | s/ome/some |
| 21:31.58 | mjr | pulster said they'd shipped my group order today too |
| 21:31.59 | Pjj_ | ok ty :) |
| 21:32.22 | Pjj_ | haven't gotten a 2nd mail yet from em with payment instructions, guess they are busy |
| 21:33.04 | DocCod | Pjj_: it took almost a week for me to get the mail (ordered on 27th, got mail yesterday) |
| 21:33.41 | DocCod | Pjj_: i heard they sold 400 phones in 2.5 hours |
| 21:33.51 | Pjj_ | ordered the 27th aswell |
| 21:34.13 | Pjj_ | that's quite nice for them lol |
| 21:34.44 | DocCod | Pjj_: if you don't hear from them until next tuesday, give them a call |
| 21:35.28 | DocCod | Pjj_: their hotline is active from 10am till 14am on tuesday and thursdays |
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| 21:36.00 | DocCod | err 2pm that would be :P |
| 21:36.02 | Pjj_ | do they speak anything else then german? |
| 21:36.27 | DocCod | Pjj_: yep, english, spanish and dutch if i remember well |
| 21:36.35 | Pjj_ | hm cool, dutch myself |
| 21:36.52 | Pjj_ | thx for the info DocCod :) |
| 21:37.18 | DocCod | Pjj_: you are welcome |
| 21:38.15 | DocCod | Pjj_: btw, from luxembourg myself ;) |
| 21:38.25 | Pjj_ | :P |
| 21:41.27 | smhar | I can not open my eyes, I've been awake for 21 hrs already in work, and checking the webstore for the 900 model every now and then... I need to call it a night now... I just hope they will not offer the 900 models while I am asleep or it will be really sold out before I wake up tomorrow :-) |
| 21:42.08 | cb22 | quick, smhar has gone to sleep, release the 900 freerunner! |
| 21:42.11 | Arg0naut | any people hear order it from the webstore? |
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| 21:42.19 | Arg0naut | *here |
| 21:42.28 | smhar | bye for now |
| 21:43.15 | bobkare | I heard it has never been available from the webstore |
| 21:43.28 | bobkare | so it's not really sold out, more like not arrived yet |
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| 21:57.18 | *** topic/#openmoko by Pjj -> The Openmoko store is open (900MHz(european) FreeRunner hasn't arrived yet). Some distributors have already delivered phones. |Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | |
| 21:57.58 | *** topic/#openmoko by Pjj -> The Openmoko store is open (900MHz(european) FreeRunner hasn't arrived yet). Some distributors have already delivered phones. |Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | Battery life = not to be discussed just yet :) |
| 21:58.58 | Pjj | "Battery life = not to be discussed just yet :) |
| 21:59.00 | UdontKnow | hmmm |
| 21:59.02 | Pjj | why's that? |
| 21:59.29 | *** topic/#openmoko by cb22 -> The Openmmoko store is open (for the 850MHz model). Some distributors have already delivered phones. | Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | Battery life is not to be discussed as yet :) |
| 21:59.33 | UdontKnow | I was reading up to see if it supports HSDPA/UMTS.... it seems I am not lucky :( |
| 21:59.44 | cb22 | does that read a bit better? |
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| 22:00.35 | kelvie_ | as yet? :p |
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| 22:04.55 | Dave | Is there any way to configure opkg not to download or check for package signatures? ~_~ |
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| 22:07.18 | luroh | UdontKnow: your best bet is probably to hook it up to an external hsdpa usb modem |
| 22:08.00 | mjr | which is, for most purposes, somewhat clunky :] |
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| 22:08.20 | luroh | but better than nothing :) |
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| 22:08.34 | mjr | *shrug* the gprs is better than nothing already |
| 22:08.56 | luroh | barely :> |
| 22:09.54 | Dave | :P |
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| 22:11.20 | mjr | well let's put you on an island first without gprs and then see just how barely nicer it is when you do get gprs :þ |
| 22:11.41 | cb22 | csd ftw ;) |
| 22:12.12 | cb22 | << on a hsdpa connection |
| 22:12.24 | cb22 | a free one too |
| 22:12.27 | mjr | << on adsl, I beat you |
| 22:12.39 | cb22 | is your adsl faster then 7.2mbps? |
| 22:12.41 | Dave | neeners :P~ |
| 22:12.44 | mjr | 2+annex m even! |
| 22:12.53 | mjr | yes, 12/2 :þ |
| 22:12.54 | cb22 | boo |
| 22:13.00 | Dave | heehee |
| 22:14.07 | cb22 | well |
| 22:14.19 | luroh | mjr: ok, let's try that, i'm game :) |
| 22:14.41 | cb22 | mjr: well, at least im connected for free :) |
| 22:15.04 | mjr | luroh, so get on an island already |
| 22:15.19 | luroh | right-o! |
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| 22:15.27 | mjr | luroh, send me e-mail when your first week is up and I'll send you the gprs |
| 22:15.44 | Dave | :p |
| 22:15.54 | cb22 | how's he gonna communicate? ULF radios? |
| 22:16.02 | cb22 | (if he were underwater) |
| 22:16.12 | mjr | cb22, indeed :] |
| 22:16.25 | cb22 | suddenly thinks of bioshock |
| 22:20.04 | Dave | cackles maniacally |
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| 22:24.50 | Dave | were the tango forums taken down? |
| 22:24.52 | doc|work | mjr: I'm Irish, Ireland has hsdpa and is an island :P |
| 22:25.07 | doc|work | (more than can be said for the US / Canada ) |
| 22:25.16 | doc|work | which sucks, I live in Canada :( |
| 22:26.14 | Dave | Aww, poor doc |
| 22:26.19 | Dave | Do you need a hug? :) |
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| 22:29.27 | Dave | Has anyone tried gpsdrive? |
| 22:30.21 | linuxxr | now it shoes 167 |
| 22:30.31 | linuxxr | shows |
| 22:30.54 | linuxxr | going like hotcakes |
| 22:31.39 | doc|work | Dave: touch me and I keeeeell you |
| 22:31.52 | Dave | :( |
| 22:32.20 | cb22 | cant think of a sngle girl name starting with a d at the moment |
| 22:32.27 | cb22 | single* |
| 22:32.33 | Dave | I can think of about 200 |
| 22:32.33 | linuxxr | darlene |
| 22:32.35 | doc|work | diane |
| 22:32.35 | linuxxr | lol |
| 22:32.38 | doc|work | dora |
| 22:32.40 | doc|work | delia |
| 22:32.45 | doc|work | deirdre |
| 22:32.47 | mjr | daria :] |
| 22:32.49 | linuxxr | donna |
| 22:32.55 | Dave | done |
| 22:32.59 | doc|work | done's not a name |
| 22:33.00 | mjr | darla |
| 22:33.06 | mjr | deborah |
| 22:33.10 | linuxxr | dammit |
| 22:33.10 | Dave | Done listing names. |
| 22:33.31 | cb22 | #openmoko to the rescue :] |
| 22:33.38 | doc|work | the internet++! |
| 22:33.51 | Dave | hah |
| 22:33.54 | Infinyte1 | >_> |
| 22:34.02 | Infinyte1 | Arr, fica.com is still down |
| 22:34.21 | cb22 | ~blame fica.com |
| 22:34.22 | apt | ACTION blames fica.com (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 22:34.32 | doc|work | shakes fist |
| 22:35.01 | mmontour | ~fish itself |
| 22:35.02 | apt | ACTION slaps itself around with a large trout |
| 22:35.09 | Dave | :D |
| 22:35.13 | Dave | SO true! |
| 22:35.32 | Infinyte1 | ~fish Dave |
| 22:35.32 | apt | ACTION slaps Dave around with a large trout |
| 22:35.36 | Infinyte1 | >_> |
| 22:35.48 | Infinyte1 | It should be a Salmon. |
| 22:35.52 | sol | wonders... |
| 22:36.10 | sol | infobot 1.5.3 -- linux |
| 22:36.11 | sol | interesting |
| 22:36.21 | daMaestro | are we getting an official "release" image for use with the gta02? or just the daily builds? |
| 22:36.26 | sol | would've been pretty funny if it was a heavily scripted mirc running in the background on someones pc |
| 22:37.00 | linuxxr | $8.17 dollars shipping |
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| 22:37.07 | linuxxr | yay |
| 22:37.33 | linuxxr | 4-17-08 |
| 22:37.38 | linuxxr | y i think |
| 22:38.05 | doc|work | so, someone bailed on my group yesterday so I contacted a person on the group list then, he mailed me back and rang me in the evening, said he'd ring again in an hour, he had to sort out something with his business partner for how to pick up the device as he was leaving the country on tues. He never rang back. I just emailed him again. How long should I hold his place before I ditch him and move to the next on list? what's fair? |
| 22:38.33 | doc|work | no money has changed hands, just time wasted |
| 22:38.35 | linuxxr | ziltch |
| 22:38.39 | goodwill | doc|home: day? |
| 22:39.02 | linuxxr | mang u better hurry |
| 22:39.45 | doc|work | well, I'm waiting for the money to get onto the credit card :/ |
| 22:39.54 | doc|work | but not ordering until I have money anyway |
| 22:39.55 | goodwill | doc|home: eh? |
| 22:40.19 | doc|work | where'd I lose you? |
| 22:40.54 | kelvie_ | because it seems like there's only about 100 something left just ditch him :/ |
| 22:41.01 | kelvie_ | it'd be tough for him to complain at this point |
| 22:41.03 | linuxxr | 167 |
| 22:41.07 | linuxxr | y |
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| 22:41.14 | doc|work | kelvie_: I can't yet, the money isn't on the credit card :/ |
| 22:41.18 | kelvie_ | ah |
| 22:41.35 | doc|work | but I'm not placing an order until I have that tenth person |
| 22:41.44 | linuxxr | i could be wrong |
| 22:43.11 | goodwill | since openmoko has a powered hub, I bet i can plugin a small cam into it |
| 22:43.39 | mjr | you mean freerunner, and you probably can, just recall it's gotta work on usb 1.1 |
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| 22:44.04 | goodwill | mjr: yeah |
| 22:44.11 | zane__ | hi, i've tried RTFMing but don't see a clear answer anywhere. i'm |
| 22:44.11 | zane__ | wondering if the openmoko handset can send raw (potentially invalid) |
| 22:44.11 | zane__ | SMS PDUs. for example, other handsets will reject a PDU input via AT |
| 22:44.11 | zane__ | commands if certain header values (such as message length) are invalid, |
| 22:44.11 | zane__ | is there a way on an openmoko handset to not have the phone OS do any |
| 22:44.12 | goodwill | somethign liek that |
| 22:44.13 | goodwill | http://www.mittoni.com.au/usb-mini-pc-camera-web-cam-p-1562.html |
| 22:44.15 | zane__ | error checking and instead just push out a raw SMS PDU? |
| 22:44.19 | goodwill | except without such a long tail |
| 22:44.47 | zane__ | argh, sorry that pasted with line breaks. any answers/info would be much appreciated. |
| 22:45.40 | bobkare | goodwill: I've been thinking about connecting my DSLR and using gphoto2 too control it, like tethered shooting |
| 22:46.40 | goodwill | bobkare: oh yeah |
| 22:46.48 | Dave | :) |
| 22:46.52 | cb22 | zane__: the phone's os wont block it, but the gsm modem might |
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| 22:47.44 | rgl | hi |
| 22:47.47 | zane__ | cb22: hm, ok. do you know if it's possible to set a mode on the GSM modem to disable error checking like that? |
| 22:48.02 | zane__ | ideally I want to be able to hand the modem a raw PDU and have it push it out to the network |
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| 22:48.40 | cb22 | zane__: not sure. the specs for the gsm moem have been leaked however, you can check those out |
| 22:48.41 | zane__ | im doing some hideous hacks on other handsets to try that, if the openmoko can just do it natively im buying one right now |
| 22:48.48 | cb22 | modem* |
| 22:48.53 | Dave | I need to create a new theme :) |
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| 22:49.34 | goodwill | Dave: I am planning to write a python script that goes thru the svg files and changes the orange to something else |
| 22:49.43 | goodwill | Dave: that orange is no good |
| 22:50.16 | Dave | :D |
| 22:50.18 | Dave | ooh la la |
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| 22:50.28 | Dave | I must change that horrid boot splash screen |
| 22:50.36 | Dave | and get rid of that obnoxious startup sound |
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| 22:51.02 | mjr | Scaredycat images have a nice startup sound :] |
| 22:51.39 | cb22 | a cat getting skinned alive? |
| 22:52.00 | goodwill | cb22: how cruel |
| 22:52.35 | cb22 | goodwill: blame ScaredyCat |
| 22:54.34 | Dave | :[ |
| 22:54.49 | Dave | Where is that image located anyway? |
| 22:55.17 | oly | hi, I have been following the host based development wiki page and hit a problem on compiling matchbox-panel-2 can anyone help the error is here http://paste.ubuntu.com/25093/ |
| 22:55.38 | Dave | On an unrelated matter, the date is displayed as UTC, is there any way to change it or even when using ntp, display main date associated with a set TZ? |
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| 22:56.57 | bobkare | Dave: Yes, I found a howto by googling for something like openmoko timezone, it was just installing a package and setting up a symlink |
| 22:58.15 | Dave | okay :) |
| 22:59.10 | Dave | and what was the freerunner wifi quick 'n dirty page again? |
| 23:00.46 | Dave | goodwill? |
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| 23:07.20 | SpeedEvil | Dave: search the wiki for supplicant |
| 23:09.37 | Dave | yeah, I recalled that much, thanks |
| 23:09.55 | Dave | incidentally I figured it out already :) |
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| 23:12.53 | Dave | I forgot how unintuitive the scrollbars in the obrowser2 are. |
| 23:13.59 | SpeedEvil | Clearly, they should be scroll-nipples. |
| 23:14.11 | SpeedEvil | The only intuitive scroll technology. |
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| 23:16.03 | doc|work | I kinda like crackberry's scroll testicle |
| 23:16.35 | doc|work | not sure how good it is in the long term, potentially getting clogged up with dirt and stuff |
| 23:17.12 | jOERG_rw | anyone an idea how to read out tx-power from calypso? Tried with AT%EM2,1 but result is weird and doesn't seem to yield TX_PWR (thought txlev could be it :-/ ) |
| 23:17.41 | cb22 | jOERG_rw: don't you have the specs? |
| 23:18.15 | jOERG_rw | cb22: sure I have. However they don't help :-( |
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| 23:19.06 | Dave | How are you supposed to input text in the browser? |
| 23:19.06 | cb22 | meh, no 1-800-ticalypso number either i presume |
| 23:19.20 | cb22 | Dave: you cast a level 7 text entry |
| 23:19.26 | Dave | Oh man, I wish! |
| 23:19.28 | jOERG_rw | cb22: I'm looking for actual TX-POWER attenuation. Anyway all I found was "txlev" and that's weird |
| 23:19.29 | Dave | OH MAN |
| 23:19.44 | Dave | gets to work on a text-based d&d over gprs application |
| 23:20.19 | cb22 | jOERG_rw: say, would it be trivial to find out how much current the phone is drawing from the battery by using the built in columb counter? |
| 23:20.34 | cb22 | or am i speaking out my ass |
| 23:20.37 | SpeedEvil | cbrake_away: in principle, yes |
| 23:20.39 | SpeedEvil | cb2: |
| 23:20.49 | jOERG_rw | cb22: trivial, but sloooooow and not quite accurate |
| 23:20.59 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: your nick comletion hates me, doesn't it |
| 23:21.02 | Dave | Joerg, please solve all my power woes :( |
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| 23:21.14 | Dave | cb, it hates everyone! |
| 23:21.14 | SpeedEvil | cb22: sorry :) |
| 23:21.21 | cb22 | hmm, have you seen nokia energy profiler for s60? |
| 23:21.28 | Dave | It's apparently one of the most unintuitive tabcompletes I've seen in a while :P |
| 23:21.29 | emdete | is someone around using mac osx with the neo? |
| 23:22.11 | cb22 | jOERG_rw: boo :( any better ways that dont require hooking up a mutimeter? |
| 23:22.37 | emdete | i just got a new mac with a current osx but the usb-gadget ether is noch detected as described in the wiki - even installing the patch did not work :/ |
| 23:22.48 | jOERG_rw | doesn't like sarcasm |
| 23:23.25 | cb22 | jOERG_rw: ? |
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| 23:24.26 | jOERG_rw | cb22: I had to place that multimeter inside my microwave, and read it thru the window :-S. Then I still got no log, and no decent proof of TX-POWER setting |
| 23:25.24 | jOERG_rw | cb22: did some tests with shielding the FR to simulate poor GSM-coverage / signal |
| 23:25.32 | tunys | http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/tcv80ipepkza7.jpg |
| 23:25.48 | cb22 | ah |
| 23:25.55 | mmontour | emdete: that wiki page is probably pre-Leopard. USB ethernet was mostly working for me on 10.3 (except I got a random hw address each time I plugged it in) |
| 23:26.00 | SpeedEvil | Microwaves use quarter-wave seals. |
| 23:26.02 | jOERG_rw | cb22: to investigate on mic_noise issue |
| 23:26.20 | SpeedEvil | These are good at 2.4GHz - but will not work well at 900/1800/1900/850 |
| 23:26.42 | jOERG_rw | SpeedEvil: err 1800 / 2450 ????? that's what you think? |
| 23:27.33 | jOERG_rw | thaks for the info. now the very poor -35dB my uwave yielded make much more sense |
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| 23:27.41 | SpeedEvil | It was realised sometime in the 70s that if you make the edge of the door of the microwave just the right dimensions, then it doesn't have to seal accurately. |
| 23:27.54 | cb22 | and here i'm being simple and thinking that if a grid is smaller then a frequencies wavelength it 'appears' solid |
| 23:28.21 | SpeedEvil | cb22: that's true - if and only if the shield is well attached at the edge. |
| 23:28.26 | jOERG_rw | gna, that's a widespread missbelief |
| 23:28.38 | cb22 | ah, intresting |
| 23:28.44 | SpeedEvil | cb22: with a microwave oven, that's only true at 2.4GHz, due to crazy RF effects. |
| 23:29.16 | tunys | 2.4 Gigawatts?!?!?! |
| 23:29.17 | jOERG_rw | everything >some 100MHz really gets weird |
| 23:29.20 | cb22 | ponders the effects of hooking up a 100w 2.4ghz amp to a 24dbi grid |
| 23:29.33 | cb22 | tunys: gigahertz |
| 23:29.42 | tunys | :D |
| 23:30.04 | tunys | clearly you haven't seen Back to the Future? |
| 23:30.10 | cb22 | i have |
| 23:30.10 | Dave | freedom freedom freedom oi |
| 23:30.16 | cb22 | and it jigawatts ;) |
| 23:30.26 | Dave | 1.21JW? |
| 23:30.28 | tunys | that's how they pronounced gigawatts back then |
| 23:30.29 | emdete | mmontour: i'm not at my mac now and dont' know the os version. it's quit new and with the original i got a dialup device when i plugged in the neo as described in the wiki... after installing the patch nothing at all happens |
| 23:32.08 | emdete | mmontour: do you have any idea where i could look for more about this? |
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| 23:33.04 | mmontour | emdete: there was an "AJZaurusUSB" driver that could be used instead of the built-in mac one. You might search for that, otherwise I can't suggest anything else at the moment |
| 23:33.51 | Gnutoo | is there anyone that live in milan or near paris here? i need to find a miniA(male)->A(Female) before buying an openmoko(in order to use the usb host feature...) |
| 23:33.57 | Gnutoo | oops hello |
| 23:34.33 | jOERG_rw | SpeedEvil: anyway, the result was -98dB GSM signal nside the oven, and my old nokia 6210 shows quite some EMI feedback then (never seen before) |
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| 23:34.56 | jOERG_rw | SpeedEvil: both FR yielded perfect sound, no EMI ! |
| 23:35.35 | emdete | mmontour: thanks alot.. |
| 23:36.26 | cb22 | jOERG_rw: so we have a solution! use the freerunner in a microwave :) |
| 23:36.40 | jOERG_rw | cb22: XD |
| 23:37.42 | doc|work | surely this should be a 3rd party thing, can't have openmoko go into the microwave manufacturing business any more than stylus sales |
| 23:38.37 | SpeedEvil | jOERG_rw: :) |
| 23:38.54 | jOERG_rw | bye guys, get me a beer to make my ideas fly |
| 23:39.06 | SpeedEvil | Wve. |
| 23:39.41 | cb22 | gives jOERG_rw a six pack |
| 23:39.55 | mmontour | ~beer jOERG_rw |
| 23:39.55 | apt | ACTION pours a pint of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for jOERG_rw |
| 23:40.19 | jOERG_rw | apt: thanks for beer |
| 23:40.19 | apt | jOERG_rw: sure thing |
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| 23:44.42 | ezekiel-v3 | is anyone else having issues with the OpenMoko store? |
| 23:44.45 | ezekiel-v3 | "Gateway Error |
| 23:44.45 | ezekiel-v3 | Error from the Hi Trust gateway: TrustLink Server is closed. Or Merchant Server IP is not consistent with TrustLink Server setting. |
| 23:44.48 | ezekiel-v3 | " |
| 23:45.02 | ConfidentiaL | yay, now I've just preordered my phone! :D |
| 23:45.14 | SpeedEvil | ezekiel-v3: maybe they're putting up GTA04. |
| 23:45.21 | ezekiel-v3 | Preordered? |
| 23:45.24 | SpeedEvil | ezekiel-v3: all this talk of GTA03 was just a ruse. |
| 23:46.13 | ezekiel-v3 | SpeedEvil: I didn't hear any talk of GTA03... GTA03 = iPhone2? haha |
| 23:46.33 | SpeedEvil | It's probably just being flaky |
| 23:46.38 | SpeedEvil | try agin in a bit |
| 23:48.46 | ezekiel-v3 | was there ever talk of making an attempt at Quad Band? |
| 23:48.50 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 23:49.13 | ezekiel-v3 | No truly open chipsets? |
| 23:49.18 | SpeedEvil | Early revisions of GTA02 - or at least the design - were out by the time the problem was found. |
| 23:49.34 | SpeedEvil | So it would have added some design risk, and a bit of cost. |
| 23:49.49 | gmaxwell | what problem? |
| 23:49.51 | SpeedEvil | (to make it quadband) |
| 23:50.18 | SpeedEvil | That GTA01 was really triband |
| 23:51.28 | cb22 | hopes GTA04 is really cool |
| 23:51.54 | cb22 | now that everyone is getting their freerunners, hopefully sofware dev pace will pick up |
| 23:51.55 | doc|work | too |
| 23:52.25 | doc|work | will we see anything of gta04 any time soon? |
| 23:53.08 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: reportedly nolt. |
| 23:53.14 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: 03 is concentrated on |
| 23:53.50 | doc|work | :/ |
| 23:54.12 | jOERG_rw | GTA03 wll have quadband & EDGE |
| 23:54.18 | SpeedEvil | Woo! |
| 23:54.20 | doc|work | it will?! |
| 23:54.22 | cb22 | problem is as much as we want to help om, e cant buy ll the phones they make :/ |
| 23:54.26 | jOERG_rw | probably |
| 23:54.34 | cb22 | we* all* |
| 23:54.36 | SpeedEvil | jOERG_rw: Any reports on the case/LCD? |
| 23:54.38 | doc|work | damn! actually, makes no difference, given that canada has such sucky data rates |
| 23:54.50 | jOERG_rw | nope |
| 23:55.06 | SpeedEvil | Who is deciding the hardware design/ |
| 23:55.07 | doc|work | jOERG_rw: any eta? |
| 23:55.10 | cb22 | figures that people who bought gt01 will probably buy gta03, while those buying gta02 now will wait for gta04 |
| 23:55.16 | jOERG_rw | nope |
| 23:55.53 | cb22 | waterboards jOERG_rw |
| 23:55.58 | cb22 | talk damnit, tlk! |
| 23:55.59 | jOERG_rw | SpeedEvil: depends. housing is another dept than EE. I'm invlved in EE |
| 23:56.02 | cb22 | :) |
| 23:56.34 | doc|work | It'd be nice if the design was less.... fugly :) |
| 23:57.02 | jOERG_rw | cb22: ut I really don't now. BELIEVE ME! nothing! |
| 23:57.38 | doc|work | takes out the face basket containing rats |
| 23:58.40 | SpeedEvil | jOERG_rw: LCD res? raster said he favoured smaller. |
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