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| 00:46.18 | azmodean | pardon me if this is a dumb question, but I didn't get a really definitive answer from the website(s), as an application developper, what would be my best bet for getting a build and test environment up and running for the Freerunner? |
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| 00:51.46 | Sonicadvance | azmodean, Using Linux, it's very easy to do |
| 00:52.02 | azmodean | linux yes |
| 00:52.41 | Sonicadvance | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain try that link azmodean |
| 00:52.49 | azmodean | ok |
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| 00:59.40 | azmodean | are there resources for Python apps available, or is it just c programs at the moment? |
| 01:00.41 | azmodean | I can re-write my program in C instead of porting the python, but it would be much faster if I keep it python, and the app really is so lightweight that it won't need the speed of C |
| 01:03.43 | Sonicadvance | azmodean, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Python try that one |
| 01:05.13 | azmodean | ah-ha sweet, I think I'll have what I need with a little more rummaging |
| 01:06.10 | Sonicadvance | :P |
| 01:07.01 | SpeedEvil | What's your thingy az? |
| 01:07.21 | azmodean | rsvp reader (rapid serial visual presentation) |
| 01:07.44 | azmodean | it displays test files one word at a time very rapidly |
| 01:08.22 | azmodean | it sounds odd, but once you get used to it it's actually a very nice way to read, especially on a portable device |
| 01:08.48 | azmodean | I'm also working on including pdf support in addition to plain text |
| 01:09.12 | SpeedEvil | azmodean: I discovered that back in ... |
| 01:09.22 | SpeedEvil | azmodean: It was a 386/2 |
| 01:09.24 | SpeedEvil | azmodean: It was a 386/20 |
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| 01:10.07 | azmodean | yep, it's been around forever, but I couldn't find a reader for it that is targeted at a handheld device |
| 01:10.17 | azmodean | oh, and that is also open :P |
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| 01:10.37 | azmodean | there are some nice closed-source palm readers for instance |
| 01:10.54 | SpeedEvil | The screen - TFT - should be fine for that. |
| 01:11.11 | SpeedEvil | I seem to remember I got 300WPM or so. |
| 01:12.29 | azmodean | I originally wrote this for the gp2x, a arm-based 200Mhz handheld, and it can get somewhere around that speed as well, so the Freerunner should have no problem at all |
| 01:16.19 | SpeedEvil | I was meaning personally. |
| 01:17.04 | SpeedEvil | I suspect you could get 100wpm easily. |
| 01:18.57 | SpeedEvil | Err |
| 01:18.59 | SpeedEvil | 1800wpm |
| 01:19.10 | SpeedEvil | But reading that'd be problematic for most. |
| 01:19.34 | azmodean | whew, that's a bit fast to read, you think the screen can keep up with that? |
| 01:19.45 | SpeedEvil | That's pretty conservative. |
| 01:19.51 | SpeedEvil | One word per two frames |
| 01:19.59 | SpeedEvil | It's a fast TFT screen. |
| 01:20.48 | azmodean | wow, the gp2x topped out at around 500 WPM I think |
| 01:21.21 | SpeedEvil | Hell, it can do decoding 320*240 at 20FPS or so, which'd be 600WPM. |
| 01:21.23 | azmodean | it could do that while underclocked to 100MHz, but the screen couldn't refresh any faster |
| 01:22.09 | SpeedEvil | 1200WPM even,. |
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| 01:28.53 | azmodean | building the prerequisites now for the host development environment |
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| 01:37.21 | azmodean | oh joy, gtk development at home too |
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| 01:53.26 | digitalslave | anyone know if the freerunner agps is autonomous? |
| 01:53.34 | SpeedEvil | you dont' need net |
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| 01:53.48 | digitalslave | so thats a yes :) |
| 01:53.52 | SpeedEvil | 99% of AGPss will work as normal GPS |
| 01:54.05 | SpeedEvil | Just you can get faster fixes with i |
| 01:54.24 | digitalslave | well as its an open phone i would hope so and yes there are 4 kinds of agps |
| 01:55.07 | digitalslave | wanted one of these but bailed when wifi wasnt specd out yet |
| 01:55.08 | SpeedEvil | There are many kinds of AGPS. |
| 01:55.23 | SpeedEvil | It's _not_ consumer ready yet. |
| 01:55.42 | digitalslave | figure i can dump off my m700 and still have cash left over heh |
| 01:57.28 | digitalslave | anyone have any vids of recent builds? you tube is VERY old |
| 01:58.09 | digitalslave | not to mention the new outlets seem to plaster the mock up screens for all their stories ;) |
| 01:58.57 | SpeedEvil | Youtube isn't working for me right no. |
| 01:59.13 | SpeedEvil | search on freerunner |
| 02:00.27 | digitalslave | yeah freerunner and openmoko are pretty much synonymous on there and most show early ui changes especially since direction went toward enlightenment i would imagine |
| 02:00.38 | SpeedEvil | freerunner ASU |
| 02:00.41 | SpeedEvil | may have more hits |
| 02:00.47 | SpeedEvil | you can't search by date? |
| 02:01.11 | digitalslave | it only comes up with 3 pages |
| 02:01.13 | SpeedEvil | hates youtube in so many ways. |
| 02:01.20 | digitalslave | hahaha |
| 02:01.45 | azmodean | content or technology primarily? |
| 02:02.04 | digitalslave | and it looked like boot time was around 1:45 in one of them course i havent time winmo6.1 |
| 02:02.27 | azmodean | how often do you boot your phone though really? |
| 02:02.31 | SpeedEvil | tech mainly. |
| 02:02.39 | azmodean | I think my blackjack boots in about a minute |
| 02:02.42 | SpeedEvil | You should in principle not need to boot it |
| 02:02.53 | digitalslave | azmodean, depends how crappy the os is |
| 02:03.45 | azmodean | that's a point I guess, but then it's really more about the OS crashng than the boot time being bad |
| 02:03.48 | digitalslave | current phone with winmo 6.1 randomly attaches the SD to a new folder name in which case i have to reboot to make apps and shortcuts work |
| 02:04.10 | azmodean | yea that's... |
| 02:04.23 | azmodean | the reason for the openmoko project? |
| 02:04.49 | digitalslave | course a nice service up down would be nice (nix admin smile) heh |
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| 02:05.18 | digitalslave | or in that case umount mount! |
| 02:06.10 | azmodean | were just having this discussion about the Pandora a bit ago, the thing looks to have somewhere between a week and a month of standby, so what purpose is there to shutting it down really? |
| 02:06.34 | SpeedEvil | shutting what down? |
| 02:06.46 | azmodean | the device, in this case the Pandora |
| 02:06.49 | digitalslave | yeah as long as its stable theres really no need |
| 02:07.26 | SpeedEvil | It looks likely that you'd get about a week or more of standby with freerunner. |
| 02:07.36 | SpeedEvil | Once the power managment is sorted. |
| 02:07.56 | azmodean | Pandora has it easy since it doesn't have to keep monitoring a radio |
| 02:08.04 | SpeedEvil | Suspend-disk is another quesion. |
| 02:08.05 | digitalslave | eh i dunno if you have a week of standby you might as well not pay for minutes ;) |
| 02:08.25 | SpeedEvil | That may actually be reasonable if you want your phone to be 'off' |
| 02:08.38 | SpeedEvil | It suspends to disk, then resumes, not reboos. |
| 02:09.03 | digitalslave | course how many devices have you seen that work well? |
| 02:09.05 | azmodean | heh, exact same discussion in fact |
| 02:09.22 | digitalslave | from a resume that is |
| 02:09.35 | SpeedEvil | digitalslave: my laptop works perfectly. |
| 02:09.49 | SpeedEvil | digitalslave: anything with a completely fixed set of hardware tends to be OK. |
| 02:10.00 | azmodean | it's a bit iffy in general, but... what SpeedEvil said :P |
| 02:10.15 | digitalslave | SpeedEvil, my ubuntu actually works quite well ive just had bad experiences in the past so i tend not to use it |
| 02:11.03 | SpeedEvil | And phones tend to have a perfectly stable set of hardware. |
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| 02:15.29 | digitalslave | anyone know if there is a code repository anywhere like what they are doing with android to show devs how to access the different parts? |
| 02:16.30 | azmodean | I don't think so, there is sample code scattered around the wiki, but I don't think anything defenitive like that |
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| 02:16.52 | azmodean | on the other hand they're using standard libraries/apis from what I can see |
| 02:18.02 | azmodean | I looked into android, but in the end decided it wasn't worth learning java |
| 02:18.09 | digitalslave | yeah androids isnt so definitive either just some people throwing bits into a forum and its all standard java |
| 02:19.00 | digitalslave | haha ive dabbled in it but java has too many shards and niches that you really cant find what you want - done app, web, and server work with it and would rather pass ;) |
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| 02:20.34 | digitalslave | havent done anything with nix really except shell script and oracle junk and would like to pursue some things besides the web world we live in |
| 02:21.36 | azmodean | heh, I got thrown into the fire about two years ago, had mostly done M$ development and landed a job on an embedded linux system |
| 02:21.46 | azmodean | you learn pretty fast that way |
| 02:22.50 | digitalslave | not to mention that the worst thing about java and the android is that EVERY drop down and text box goes full screen before you can fill it in cause unneeded clicking |
| 02:23.20 | wurp2|away | digitalslave: Uh, java makes every drop down and text box go full screen? |
| 02:23.36 | azmodean | heh, I have that problem with my window manager I use (ion3) |
| 02:23.39 | digitalslave | wurp2|away, have you messed with the android emulator? |
| 02:24.05 | wurp2|away | No... so you're saying Android makes every drop-down & text box go full screen |
| 02:24.35 | digitalslave | yes it brings up a secondary screen to fill it out then you click OK and it goes back to the screen with all the other fields to fill in! |
| 02:24.52 | wurp2|away | That I can certainly buy |
| 02:25.13 | raster | yay java! |
| 02:25.17 | raster | yaya android! |
| 02:26.11 | digitalslave | hahaha i would assume they will find a way around it but it just seemed backwards and was in every demo/sample code out there |
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| 02:31.51 | azmodean | looks like some of the wiki build instructions are out of date, I'll correct them when I get it sorted |
| 02:32.13 | azmodean | it's wanting gpgme installed |
| 02:32.24 | wurp2|away | Running emulator now... thanks, digitalslave - I didn't know the emulator existed :-) |
| 02:32.41 | digitalslave | yeah and takes like 5 minutes to install! |
| 02:32.49 | digitalslave | still very cool |
| 02:49.51 | azmodean | well, I've got something running at least |
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| 02:50.14 | azmodean | now I need to find out where to report a build bug |
| 02:50.20 | digitalslave | heh |
| 02:52.25 | azmodean | but before that, perhaps I should eat, it's 10:00 already :P |
| 02:54.49 | wurp2|away | azmodean: Hey, you're in my time zone :-) |
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| 03:01.22 | russellb | I'm curious about something on the OpenMoko Licensing wiki page - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/License - specifically, the Foreign Software page |
| 03:01.30 | russellb | "This means that all our code will be copyright by openmoko" |
| 03:01.46 | russellb | are contributors required to assign copyright to openmoko for their contributions? |
| 03:02.24 | russellb | Foreign Software section, not page. |
| 03:04.08 | SpeedEvil | 'if we' |
| 03:04.12 | SpeedEvil | not you |
| 03:05.05 | russellb | Fair enough, just making sure I understood. |
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| 03:05.26 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it anyway. |
| 03:05.40 | russellb | So, contributors are not required to assign copyright for their changes? |
| 03:05.51 | SpeedEvil | Not as far as I know. |
| 03:05.52 | russellb | or sign any license agreement to contribute? |
| 03:05.55 | russellb | ok. thanks for the info. |
| 03:05.55 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
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| 03:10.36 | azmodean | wurp2: I'm in milwaukke, how about you? |
| 03:10.48 | azmodean | kk = k |
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| 03:32.47 | azmodean | weird, I don't seem to have a dbus-launch on my system |
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| 05:22.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi all. how much does the debug board cost? |
| 05:24.10 | SpeedEvil | $99 IIRC |
| 05:27.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. i'm just trying to find it ion the site, thanks or replying :) |
| 05:30.31 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc81cfde435c7 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: update efl to latest to get etk drag+hold changes etc. |
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| 06:30.41 | methril | morning |
| 06:32.07 | Ainulindale | 'Morning :-) |
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| 07:11.29 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:11.49 | Ainulindale | Morning. |
| 07:11.57 | Ainulindale | Hmmmpf, make fso-image doesn't seem to build an image.. |
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| 07:23.54 | Zoup | when freerunner came to store , how long will delivery takes in us ? |
| 07:25.14 | Sonicadvance | Delivery will take never time |
| 07:26.55 | Zoup | Sonicadvance: so , the day i pay with credit card i receive the phone ? |
| 07:27.24 | Sonicadvance | no, the other end of never time |
| 07:27.30 | Sonicadvance | it will forever be lost in transit |
| 07:27.56 | Zoup | Sonicadvance: ha-ha-ha |
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| 07:30.35 | methril | <Ainulindale> did you try make updte-makefile? |
| 07:30.59 | methril | s/updte-makefile/update-makefile |
| 07:31.21 | Ainulindale | Yep |
| 07:31.31 | Ainulindale | but I'll retry just in case |
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| 07:32.36 | methril | someone here from spain? |
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| 07:38.48 | Ainulindale | methril: well : make update-makefile setup fso-image |
| 07:38.50 | Ainulindale | Aaaand |
| 07:38.53 | Ainulindale | Still nothing in images. |
| 07:39.01 | Ainulindale | Is the image located elsewhere ? |
| 07:39.08 | Ainulindale | Because that's where flash.sh looks for it |
| 07:39.10 | methril | but it's compiling? |
| 07:39.23 | Ainulindale | Yep, but compiling what and where, I don't know. |
| 07:39.35 | methril | did you have the openembedded/packages/images/fso-image.bb file? |
| 07:39.44 | Ainulindale | Yep |
| 07:41.10 | Ainulindale | E |
| 07:41.13 | Ainulindale | Oups :-) |
| 07:41.22 | methril | they are located in build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/om-gta0{1|2} |
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| 07:43.21 | Ainulindale | methril: so I just have to copy them ? |
| 07:43.56 | methril | yes |
| 07:44.10 | Ainulindale | u-boot file, uimage, and fso-image ? |
| 07:44.52 | methril | it depends of what do you prefer so flash :) |
| 07:44.59 | methril | it's for what device? |
| 07:45.20 | Ainulindale | hmmm when I try to make flash-qemu-local it tries to check openmoko-devel-image.bb |
| 07:45.23 | Ainulindale | GTA02 |
| 07:45.29 | Ainulindale | I'm fairly new to the qemu thing so I'm kind of lost |
| 07:46.04 | methril | for qemu it makes an image and u-boot working properly for qemu |
| 07:46.49 | Ainulindale | Errr... still don't know what I'm supposed to flash :-p |
| 07:47.14 | diego_at_work | usally uimage + rootds |
| 07:47.19 | diego_at_work | *rootfs |
| 07:49.33 | Ainulindale | Oh, nice error at boot |
| 07:49.38 | Ainulindale | can't find libjpeg |
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| 07:50.13 | Ainulindale | It booted but in console only :-/ |
| 07:50.32 | Ainulindale | And I don't know at all what I did wrong |
| 07:50.59 | Ainulindale | (I modified the makefile for flash-qemu-local replacing openmoko-devel-image with fso-image...) |
| 07:53.27 | Ainulindale | It seems it can't find libs.. |
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| 07:59.41 | diego_at_work | Ainulindale,. find the relevant .ipkg and install it |
| 08:00.06 | Wander_w | good morning |
| 08:00.42 | Wander_w | I want to try the openmoko software stack; what is the easiest way for me to try this? |
| 08:01.13 | Wander_w | I understand there is a qemu addition to emulate openmoko's, is that the easiest way? |
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| 08:03.23 | kristian-m | Wander_w right, it is |
| 08:03.46 | Wander_w | ok good |
| 08:04.04 | Wander_w | is it somewhat useable? |
| 08:04.17 | BlackFog | 'morning |
| 08:04.33 | kristian-m | Wander_w yes, i find it even more stable than the android emulator |
| 08:04.51 | Wander_w | kristian-m: ok, great, thanks a lot |
| 08:04.57 | Wander_w | runs of to find it |
| 08:04.58 | kristian-m | Wander_w have fun |
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| 08:07.42 | Wander_w | sounds incredibly easy to do: type in three lines, get some coffee and your done :D |
| 08:09.03 | Ainulindale | diego_at_work: I suppose so, but how ? :-) |
| 08:10.34 | diego_at_work | find the .ipk copy on the image, and install it ^^ |
| 08:12.37 | Ainulindale | diego_at_work: within qemu, with the booted image ? |
| 08:13.31 | Ainulindale | I truly hate to be a pain :-) |
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| 08:14.37 | Ainulindale | It seems I have a fs problem too |
| 08:14.59 | Ainulindale | some file being truncated... |
| 08:15.55 | Ainulindale | And I can't login with ssh |
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| 08:16.05 | Ainulindale | Or type in the emulator |
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| 08:26.16 | Ainulindale | I suppose there's a different git branch for FSO ? |
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| 08:34.25 | Ainulindale | Hmppppf. Can't understand why it won't find these libs. And I can't type in the emulator or ssh to it :-/ |
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| 08:37.34 | Wander_w | hmm... the openmoko makefile seems to only use one CPU... how do I change it to use both my cores? |
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| 08:39.17 | Ainulindale | Wander_w: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomakefile |
| 08:39.24 | XorA | Wander_w: add something like this to local.conf BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "3" |
| 08:39.54 | Ainulindale | XorA: Hey there :-) |
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| 08:40.04 | Ainulindale | Can you help me a little bit ? :-) |
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| 08:40.13 | XorA | Ainulindale: I can try |
| 08:40.19 | hfswork | demands the OpenMoko store open. ;) |
| 08:40.24 | CVirus | same |
| 08:40.27 | Ainulindale | XorA: As I said before |
| 08:40.28 | hfswork | I wish to throw money at you! TAKE IT! |
| 08:40.31 | hfswork | ;) |
| 08:40.34 | Ainulindale | First, I don't know the specific git branch for FSO |
| 08:40.46 | XorA | Ainulindale: org.openembedded.dev |
| 08:40.49 | Wander_w | Ainulindale, XorA: Thanks, but I don't have a local.conf, can I just create a new one? |
| 08:41.01 | Ainulindale | Wander_w: build/local.conf I think |
| 08:41.11 | Ainulindale | Secondly, when I build the supposedly fso-image, it fails while booting telling me there's missing libraries |
| 08:41.14 | Wander_w | Ainulindale: yeah, don't have that one yet |
| 08:41.30 | Ainulindale | And I can't log into qemu or by ssh |
| 08:41.36 | Ainulindale | (as usb doesn't come up) |
| 08:41.37 | XorA | Ainulindale: see what I said yesterday about fso-image being unstable between milestones |
| 08:42.00 | XorA | Ainulindale: also git.openmoko.org is out of date as regards to org.openembedded.dev branch |
| 08:42.01 | Ainulindale | Yep, I saw that, but it's not even booting, I thought it was more a problem with my configuration |
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| 08:44.53 | Ainulindale | Weird |
| 08:45.03 | Ainulindale | Current branch org.openembedded.dev is up to date. |
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| 08:48.36 | Wander_w | So what do I do when I want to submit patches for OpenMoko? |
| 08:51.05 | Ainulindale | You try to do the same thing I do : trying to understand how to make it work :-) |
| 08:51.31 | Wander_w | And if I did make it work and want to share it? |
| 08:52.18 | Ainulindale | You edit the wiki article :-) |
| 08:52.38 | Ainulindale | (I was talking about building the image, for my part) |
| 08:52.48 | Ainulindale | (I think it's a good first step in order to be able to submit any modification ;-) ) |
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| 08:54.56 | Wander_w | woot, it's booting! :) |
| 08:57.06 | XorA | Ainulindale: you have to build fso image from an upto date org.openembedded.dev, which git.openmoko.org cannot give you |
| 08:58.05 | Wander_w | So know openmoko is running, but it says just "No Network" and I can't do anything else |
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| 08:59.48 | Ainulindale | XorA: I supposed so, but as you didn't say it I was trying to convince myself it wasn't the case |
| 09:00.16 | Ainulindale | XorA: so what am I supposed to use as a git site ? |
| 09:00.40 | Ainulindale | Because I suppose it's possible to use mokomakefile to build a bleeding edge FSO |
| 09:00.44 | Ainulindale | (Am I mistaken ?) |
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| 09:10.16 | d3vice | g' morning |
| 09:11.32 | Wander_w | mornin |
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| 09:31.34 | Ainulindale | Well, nobody knows how to be up to date with FSO using mokomakefile ? |
| 09:31.59 | Ainulindale | It's been only three days I've been trying to build this, after all :-p |
| 09:32.26 | XorA | Ainulindale: I think the answer is you cant |
| 09:33.13 | Ainulindale | Ok, makes it a lot easier :-) (or not) |
| 09:33.24 | Ainulindale | So if I want to build a FSO image from scratch, how should I do ? |
| 09:33.52 | XorA | get a copy of OE |
| 09:34.25 | Ainulindale | I supposed so, but do you have an URL with all the information I need in order to do that ? |
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| 09:34.31 | XorA | http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Main_Page |
| 09:35.26 | Ainulindale | It seems I misunderstood something though |
| 09:35.33 | Ainulindale | I thought OE was part of FSO/ASU/OM |
| 09:35.35 | ScaredyCat | blames XorA |
| 09:35.49 | XorA | OE is a build system meta data |
| 09:35.56 | XorA | OM is based on OE |
| 09:36.13 | XorA | FSU/ASU...... are all part of the meta data |
| 09:36.27 | XorA | FSO as a community project chose to use OE upstream |
| 09:36.53 | Ainulindale | And so, in order to build FSO, I have to first build OE, then build FSO, am I right ? |
| 09:37.17 | XorA | no, you need to setup OE, then build FSO |
| 09:37.22 | methril | no, |
| 09:37.50 | Ainulindale | I think I'm going to be mad soon enough :-p |
| 09:38.08 | Ainulindale | The part I didn't get, and I feel stupid about asking about that, is how to build FSO. |
| 09:38.34 | XorA | when OE is setup, bitbake fso-image |
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| 09:39.57 | methril | edit your Mokomakefile. Put: OE_GIT_SITE:= git://git.openembedded.net/ OE_GIT_BRANCH := org.openembedded.dev |
| 09:40.14 | methril | and then, in setup-openembedded |
| 09:40.40 | methril | chamge OM_GIT for OE_GIT |
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| 09:41.15 | Zoup | i have tried to run os using Qemu and it works! i've got the interface but it does not look like functional |
| 09:41.19 | Ainulindale | (by the way it's a real pleasure to see competent people answering your questions :-) ) |
| 09:41.29 | Zoup | no buttom works , etc , and it same "No Network" , any idea/doc on this ? |
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| 09:43.50 | Ainulindale | methril: Ah. Looked too easy, but won't work :-) |
| 09:44.00 | methril | well, the git clone -n git://${OM_GIT_SITE}/git/openmoko.git openembedded line, change it for git clone -n git://${OE_GIT_SITE}/openembedded.dev openembedded |
| 09:44.05 | methril | why not? |
| 09:44.14 | Ainulindale | You solved the problem :-) |
| 09:44.27 | methril | you are putting the openembedded repo :D |
| 09:44.52 | Ainulindale | I don't know at all OE, and what to do in order to get it, so the clone command was failing and I didn't have a clue on what to get :-) |
| 09:46.33 | methril | check it :D |
| 09:46.38 | Ainulindale | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly |
| 09:46.38 | Ainulindale | fetch-pack from 'git://git.openembedded.net/openembedded.dev' failed. |
| 09:46.41 | Ainulindale | Sic' :-/ |
| 09:46.49 | XorA | git://git.openembedded.net/org.openembedded.dev |
| 09:47.01 | Ainulindale | How do you know that, guys, out of curiosity ? |
| 09:47.10 | XorA | is an OE developer |
| 09:47.14 | Ainulindale | Because as I saw it, there's no documentation available on the subject in order to start |
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| 09:48.11 | methril | i'm leraning OE |
| 09:48.18 | methril | XorA is a master :D |
| 09:48.58 | Ainulindale | I'm surprised it's not that easier to setup (as a developing environment) |
| 09:49.26 | Ainulindale | I do hope I'm not a brainwashed developer and it doesn't seem easy to get into developing for OM |
| 09:50.02 | `pwgen` | Look at http://oe.linuxtogo.org/wiki/GettingStarted and get familar with OE , that helps a lot |
| 09:50.23 | Ainulindale | Woooh, the wiki looks weird |
| 09:50.34 | Ainulindale | looks as if the tags are not interpreted |
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| 09:51.27 | methril | better http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Getting_Started |
| 09:51.39 | methril | <`pwgen`> this is the new site :) |
| 09:52.09 | Ainulindale | I think I will try first with mokomakefile, then read that after lunch |
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| 09:52.29 | Ainulindale | Is FSO repository on OE or OM git ? |
| 09:52.55 | methril | freesmartphone.org |
| 09:52.58 | methril | i think |
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| 09:53.21 | Ainulindale | Arf. |
| 09:53.33 | Ainulindale | I feel as in a maze |
| 09:53.37 | Ainulindale | By the way, methril |
| 09:53.40 | Ainulindale | methril: fatal: git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches/forcing |
| 09:53.54 | Ainulindale | Did I mention I never used git either ? :-) |
| 09:54.11 | methril | do you have a folder with openembedded name? mv it or remove it |
| 09:54.18 | Ainulindale | Already done |
| 09:54.21 | Ainulindale | Twice in fact |
| 09:54.23 | `pwgen` | its what i get if i hack openembedded Gettingstarted in google :P |
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| 09:57.57 | `pwgen` | i think if you acutally build now the fso image , it won't run |
| 09:58.48 | Ainulindale | Why ? |
| 09:59.02 | `pwgen` | problems in dbus/kernel/udev/touchscreen/ and so on (:-(( |
| 09:59.24 | Ainulindale | hmmm |
| 09:59.41 | methril | are you dev in FSO? |
| 09:59.55 | Ainulindale | So if, say, a lambda developer wants to begin to develop using FSO |
| 09:59.57 | Ainulindale | What should he do ? |
| 10:00.23 | Ainulindale | And by he I mean me, and by begin to develop I mean stop screwing with my hair trying to picture what to do :-) |
| 10:00.41 | `pwgen` | correction ist will be possible to get some runnin fso image ... ( mine is running from sd ) |
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| 10:00.57 | methril | telco? what does taht means? |
| 10:01.06 | mickey|telco | runs off to a phone conference |
| 10:01.15 | methril | uh! nice |
| 10:01.18 | mickey|telco | "nice" |
| 10:01.19 | mickey|telco | ;) |
| 10:01.32 | `pwgen` | correction / partly ..(:-(( |
| 10:01.33 | methril | you are allways involved in interesting work :) |
| 10:02.00 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: i had to remove the touchscreen testing par and add some udev rule .. |
| 10:02.34 | mickey|telco | Ainulindale: how to start working on it depends on what you want to do. Doing an own UI on top or improving FSO backend or frontend itself? |
| 10:03.01 | methril | Ainulindale> mickey is the FSO master |
| 10:03.15 | Ainulindale | mickey|telco: I want to start with a simple problem, as in implementing some kind of contact transfer over bluetooth |
| 10:03.30 | Ainulindale | (As I will need that) |
| 10:03.32 | mickey|telco | heh |
| 10:03.34 | mickey|telco | not so simple |
| 10:03.44 | mickey|telco | since there is no PIM API yet and no BT integration |
| 10:03.48 | mickey|telco | but sounds like a good job to start with |
| 10:04.05 | mickey|telco | a) have a look at latest bluez dbus API |
| 10:04.14 | mickey|telco | b) read contact from SIM |
| 10:04.20 | mickey|telco | c) integrate obex file transfer |
| 10:04.35 | mickey|telco | d) write GUI to handle that |
| 10:04.41 | Ainulindale | I looked at the python script to import contacts from SIM |
| 10:04.51 | Ainulindale | But it didn't tell me where to start in order to have a developing environment |
| 10:04.59 | Ainulindale | That's my main problem right now :-) |
| 10:05.10 | mickey|telco | ah |
| 10:05.15 | mickey|telco | development environment is easy with FSO |
| 10:05.22 | mickey|telco | just ssh into the device |
| 10:05.26 | mickey|telco | and edit your scripts |
| 10:05.30 | mickey|telco | then rerun :) |
| 10:06.06 | Ainulindale | Yep but I don't have a device working under FSO |
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| 10:06.15 | Ainulindale | I did manage to build an OM environment with mokomakefile |
| 10:06.22 | Ainulindale | But that's all |
| 10:06.53 | Zoup | "No network" on Qemu emulation , any idea ? |
| 10:07.33 | mickey|telco | ah. without the device it's more complicated. you can either go host-based development or try to run the stuff in qemu |
| 10:07.50 | mickey|telco | if you have BT and GSM on your host, it's probably much easier to develop there |
| 10:07.52 | Ainulindale | I'll have the device soon enough, but right now I was trying to build the image for qemu |
| 10:08.10 | Ainulindale | And all I managed to do is build a healthy stack of errors |
| 10:08.45 | mickey|telco | ah. hmm, no idea about mokomakefile, but why not pastebin some of the errors or write them to the mailing list. |
| 10:08.55 | mickey|telco | perhaps we can sort it out |
| 10:09.07 | Ainulindale | I don't know at all if they are relevant |
| 10:09.22 | Ainulindale | As I don't know at all if I did manage to build FSO or something else |
| 10:09.29 | mickey|telco | oh |
| 10:09.47 | Ainulindale | I'm trying to follow the howto on the OE wiki to build OE right now |
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| 10:09.54 | Ainulindale | But I've got a problem with monotone now... |
| 10:09.57 | Ainulindale | So I'm kind of stuck |
| 10:10.04 | mickey|telco | too bad, which kind of problem? |
| 10:10.35 | Ainulindale | the OE.mtn file has an outdated format |
| 10:10.39 | Ainulindale | (or so says mtn) |
| 10:10.44 | Ainulindale | It proposes to mtn migrate |
| 10:10.53 | Ainulindale | And when I try to do that it tells me it can't find the workspace |
| 10:10.58 | Ainulindale | Never used mtn either :-/ |
| 10:11.14 | mickey|telco | interesting. i guess you should checkout a copy of the branch before calling mtn migrate |
| 10:11.21 | mickey|telco | try mtn checkout --branch=org.openembedded.dev |
| 10:11.37 | Ainulindale | hmmm |
| 10:11.42 | Ainulindale | I followed the howto to the letter |
| 10:11.46 | mickey|telco | i don't know why you need to migrate though. was there no oe-database-snapshot for your mtn version available? |
| 10:11.52 | methril | why not use openembedded git repo? |
| 10:11.59 | Ainulindale | dies |
| 10:12.03 | Ainulindale | I don't know ! :-) |
| 10:12.10 | Ainulindale | I simply tried to follow the gettingstarted article :-) |
| 10:12.17 | methril | for me it's faster than mtn |
| 10:12.42 | Ainulindale | And as I don't have the slightest idea on how to use git to obtain OE, same thing for me :-) |
| 10:12.56 | Ainulindale | What I need is a nice page with a "howto OE for dummies" in fact :-) |
| 10:13.17 | Ainulindale | methril: using mtn checkout => wrong use, no database specified |
| 10:13.27 | mickey|telco | well |
| 10:13.30 | mickey|telco | you need to add some parameters |
| 10:13.34 | mickey|telco | telco starts |
| 10:13.42 | methril | see you |
| 10:13.51 | Ainulindale | Yep but the database won't work as it tells me it's outdated :-) |
| 10:14.03 | Ainulindale | And if I try to migrate it, it won't, complaining about workspace |
| 10:14.24 | Ainulindale | So as I said before, not knowing either OE or mtn, I'm pretty lost :-) |
| 10:14.39 | methril | set the PATH and BBPATH env variables |
| 10:14.52 | Ainulindale | Is that relevant for mtn ? |
| 10:14.56 | methril | yes |
| 10:15.11 | methril | well it's ffor bitbake |
| 10:15.41 | methril | mtn --db=/<dir_to_your_oe_database>/OE.mtn pull monotone.openembedded.org org.openembedded.dev |
| 10:16.10 | methril | it's that <dir_to_your_oe_database> configured properly? |
| 10:16.24 | Ainulindale | mtn: utilisation erronée : la disposition de la base de données /home/ainu/oe/stuff/OE.mtn est faite selon un vieux schéma |
| 10:16.31 | Ainulindale | In french, just to say : schema is outdated |
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| 10:16.43 | Ainulindale | Then "try mtn migrate to upgrade" |
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| 10:17.39 | Ainulindale | Well lunch time |
| 10:17.51 | Ainulindale | I'll come back later to see what I can do |
| 10:17.54 | Ainulindale | But thanks anyway |
| 10:18.22 | methril | you are wellcom |
| 10:18.25 | methril | e |
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| 10:50.07 | Psi | anyone around |
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| 10:50.59 | methril | someone |
| 10:52.28 | chris_debian | Looks like about 327 people around |
| 10:52.48 | Psi | heh |
| 10:53.11 | methril | Spain GroupSalers around? |
| 10:53.18 | Psi | i was just wondering if anyone knows how the gsm wakeup debugging is going |
| 10:53.51 | methril | in what image/framework? |
| 10:54.02 | Psi | just in general |
| 10:54.33 | Psi | if its looking like it will be months more or if its close to being fixed |
| 10:54.58 | Psi | just pondering when to get gta02 |
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| 10:55.53 | Psi | unless i can use it as my everyday phone i wont be able to get motivated to code for it :( |
| 10:58.35 | emdete | Psi: that's a catch22 situation... ;) |
| 11:00.21 | Psi | yeah |
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| 11:03.51 | emdete | i do the oppisite: i code as long until the neo is my everyday phone ;) |
| 11:04.07 | mickeyl | good thinking |
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| 11:04.39 | Psi | emdete: what kind of coder are you, kernel/app etc? |
| 11:05.17 | emdete | Psi: daemon&gui... i use u-boot, kernel and build system as it comes |
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| 11:08.13 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r55b6aa59fd3b 10/src/zhone: catch up with renaming ophoned into ogsmd |
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| 11:35.59 | Wander_w | Does anyone here know how to get git working with a http proxy? |
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| 11:36.35 | Wander_w | or how to bounce it of an outside linux SSH server? |
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| 11:37.16 | Bastian1 | hi @ all |
| 11:37.21 | Wander_w | Hi bastian |
| 11:37.36 | Bastian1 | i got my freerunner today |
| 11:37.43 | Bastian1 | now i'm happy :-) |
| 11:37.50 | Wander_w | congratulations |
| 11:37.56 | Bastian1 | thx |
| 11:37.57 | Wander_w | how's it like? |
| 11:38.03 | Bastian1 | now i have a litle question |
| 11:38.04 | Wander_w | (does it work?) |
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| 11:38.17 | Bastian1 | where can i get the actual releases? |
| 11:38.31 | Bastian1 | yes, no problems yet |
| 11:38.50 | Bastian1 | i have already flashed the kernel and rootfs |
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| 11:39.00 | HauDyrArb | hurrary |
| 11:39.23 | Bastian1 | but i think the image i used was the same, which already was on it :-) |
| 11:39.30 | Wander_w | "No problems yet" -> Great! time to make some :) |
| 11:39.43 | Bastian1 | now i'm looking for more up to date once |
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| 11:40.03 | Wander_w | Bastian1: I think you'd have to compile your own if you want to do that |
| 11:40.18 | Wander_w | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomakefile#Building_Openmoko_with_MokoMakefile |
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| 11:40.24 | Wander_w | (I hope you have linux) |
| 11:40.57 | Bastian1 | thx |
| 11:41.31 | russellb | you can do it in linux in vmware just fine, too |
| 11:42.24 | Bastian1 | i hope, it works |
| 11:42.32 | Wander_w | yup, if you don't have linux yet, a virtual linux is very smart |
| 11:42.37 | Bastian1 | i had little problems with qemu |
| 11:42.48 | Bastian1 | it didn't run with my version of gcc |
| 11:42.58 | Bastian1 | i had to downgrade it |
| 11:42.59 | Wander_w | you don't need qemu; you have the real thing :) |
| 11:43.10 | Bastian1 | that did a little harm to my system :-) |
| 11:43.15 | Wander_w | lol |
| 11:43.32 | Wander_w | can't you install both versions? |
| 11:43.33 | Bastian1 | happily i got everything right :-) |
| 11:43.37 | Bastian1 | no |
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| 11:43.41 | Wander_w | and switch between them? |
| 11:43.56 | Wander_w | Bastian1: why not, what distro are you running? |
| 11:43.58 | Bastian1 | puh, that isn't right, you can. but i can't :-) |
| 11:44.16 | Bastian1 | opensuse 10.1 |
| 11:44.23 | Wander_w | oh |
| 11:44.28 | Wander_w | nevermind then |
| 11:44.32 | Bastian1 | or 10.3? im not sure |
| 11:44.58 | Wander_w | just "Suse" is enough for me to know that I don't know :) |
| 11:45.56 | Bastian1 | hehe :) |
| 11:46.02 | Bastian1 | which do you use? |
| 11:46.22 | Wander_w | (k)ubuntu |
| 11:46.40 | Wander_w | and there's a debian server in here as well |
| 11:46.48 | Bastian1 | ah, i did try, but im more used to suse |
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| 11:46.57 | Wander_w | great |
| 11:47.02 | Wander_w | to each his own |
| 11:47.11 | Bastian1 | suse is fine if you know when to use yast and when not :) |
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| 11:47.59 | Wander_w | debian (and deratives) are great if you want to use apt |
| 11:48.11 | Wander_w | (there's no reason not to use apt) |
| 11:48.18 | Bastian1 | yes, that is a problem with suse |
| 11:48.38 | Bastian1 | sorry for the question, but what is git? |
| 11:48.58 | Wander_w | linus' own version control system |
| 11:49.16 | Bastian1 | k, then i have wo install it |
| 11:49.20 | Bastian1 | to |
| 11:49.30 | Wander_w | he didn't like subversion, cvs, bazaar, bitkeeper or any of the other version control systems, so he wrote his own |
| 11:49.41 | Wander_w | in a week or so |
| 11:49.43 | Wander_w | ... |
| 11:49.46 | Bastian1 | hehe |
| 11:49.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc0faecdee4f7 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [srcrev/exposure] Upgrade exposure to have the xdg changes |
| 11:49.48 | Wander_w | I envy him.. |
| 11:49.52 | Bastian1 | freak... :) |
| 11:50.01 | Wander_w | yeah |
| 11:51.02 | Wander_w | it's rather impressive in that it's incredibly fast |
| 11:51.27 | Wander_w | and that there is no central repository |
| 11:51.46 | Bastian1 | where is the data stored? |
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| 11:52.04 | Wander_w | each developer has his own "master version" |
| 11:52.22 | Bastian1 | interresting idea |
| 11:52.29 | Wander_w | yes |
| 11:52.44 | Wander_w | ..but not a new one I must add |
| 11:52.55 | Wander_w | linus just made it fast enough to use |
| 11:53.06 | Bastian1 | ahh, now "make setup" seems to work |
| 11:53.22 | xming | make babies |
| 11:53.45 | Bastian1 | therefor i would need a girlfriend :-) |
| 11:54.09 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r07a47af6a239 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: update efl to latest to get etk drag+hold changes etc. |
| 11:54.09 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r45cb45888f4f 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update efl and illume dates/rev to update to gsm "no signal" mode and |
| 11:54.09 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra2ea13321a3b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up to illume rev with any_mod for bindings. |
| 11:54.09 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6a0229366efa 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [splinter] Bump up the reversion of splinter to 449 |
| 11:54.10 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb3c154c31b99 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [srcrev/exposure] Upgrade exposure to have the xdg changes |
| 11:54.38 | Bastian1 | whats this? |
| 11:54.46 | Bastian1 | a bot? |
| 11:54.51 | cozub | apparently :) |
| 11:54.55 | Wander_w | yes a bot that lists checkins |
| 11:55.12 | Bastian1 | ah, now i understand |
| 11:55.21 | Bastian1 | very practical |
| 11:55.45 | xming | a flooding bot |
| 11:55.45 | Bastian1 | so i guess, that raster is back from lunch |
| 11:56.10 | xming | kicks CIA-46 |
| 11:56.10 | CIA-46 | ow |
| 11:56.15 | xming | hihi |
| 11:56.30 | Bastian1 | lol |
| 11:56.53 | Wander_w | hangs CIA-46 upside down from a cliff |
| 11:57.22 | Wander_w | not even a response to such an obvious torture? bah... stupid bot |
| 11:57.33 | Ainulindale | Well. Where was I. mtn migrate doesn't work. |
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| 12:04.49 | methril | <Ainulindale> check this: http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/OEandYourDistro |
| 12:05.45 | Ainulindale | methril: (I managed to make mtn work without the spanshot) |
| 12:05.48 | Ainulindale | s/span/snap/ |
| 12:06.02 | Ainulindale | But there's a lot to download |
| 12:06.28 | Wander_w | s/some/random string |
| 12:06.38 | Wander_w | weird bots here |
| 12:07.46 | Wander_w | there goes the proxy.. :( |
| 12:07.47 | methril | it's a sintax bot |
| 12:09.16 | Ainulindale | Well methril now that I've got a db, I think I will disturb you a lot with what's next :-) |
| 12:09.50 | methril | bitbake |
| 12:09.52 | methril | :) |
| 12:10.02 | methril | you have one with openmoko |
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| 12:10.22 | Wander_w | and its back |
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| 12:11.42 | methril | again |
| 12:11.51 | methril | ~curse someone |
| 12:11.52 | apt | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, someone ! |
| 12:11.53 | polz | where can I read about how neod is configured ? |
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| 12:12.42 | polz | I don't like the fact that the phone can get locked while I'm talking on it |
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| 12:13.13 | Bastian1 | another little question: what is texi2html? |
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| 12:13.28 | Ainulindale | It transforms a tex file in HTML |
| 12:13.36 | Ainulindale | "Generate" is more correct |
| 12:14.04 | Bastian1 | hmm, can i use latex2html instead, or is it the same? |
| 12:14.14 | Ainulindale | tex != latex |
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| 12:14.21 | Bastian1 | k, sry |
| 12:14.34 | Bastian1 | then i have to look for rpms :( |
| 12:14.47 | Ainulindale | Or install a real distro :-p |
| 12:14.54 | Bastian1 | pfft |
| 12:15.07 | Bastian1 | never touch a running system :) |
| 12:15.12 | Ainulindale | ;-) |
| 12:15.12 | polz | Bastian1: google and friends say that texi2html can actually use latex2html |
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| 12:16.51 | polz | hmm... where are the config files for neod, anyway ? |
| 12:18.48 | polz | and how can I get the list of files in an installed .opk package ? |
| 12:18.59 | polz | I mean something like dpkg -L |
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| 12:21.43 | Ainulindale | polz: I suppose it's in a db in /var ? |
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| 12:23.20 | polz | Ainulindale: and what would be the proper way to query that db ? |
| 12:23.31 | polz | has already found the neod config file |
| 12:23.46 | polz | it's in $HOME/.gconf/... |
| 12:24.20 | Ainulindale | polz: I don't know :-) |
| 12:25.18 | Ainulindale | methril: Hmmm, I have the mtn db file, but no workspace, right now... |
| 12:26.01 | Ainulindale | Ok, I answered myself |
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| 12:26.27 | ruskie | ARM chips have their own super-power backing in the form of Qualcomm, whose Snapdragon processor is coming out later this year. It will apparently provide comparable processing power with Intel's Atom, while consuming even less power. <-- hmm sounds usable |
| 12:26.36 | methril | i was going to tell you taht it's in .gconf polz :) |
| 12:27.05 | methril | ruskie, give us a url :) |
| 12:27.17 | Wander_w | X86 needs to die anyway... definitely don't want it in my mobile |
| 12:27.17 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/02/internet_devices_os/ |
| 12:27.31 | methril|lunch | lunch time |
| 12:29.39 | polz | OK, next question: how do I set the time before neod goes into suspend... |
| 12:30.17 | polz | and how do I get it to not lock the screen before going into suspend ? |
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| 12:36.17 | nuclear_eclipse | morning all |
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| 12:36.37 | Zoup | does any one exprienced connection of neo to SIP protocol ? |
| 12:36.55 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you could, I don't know anyone has. |
| 12:37.03 | SpeedEvil | You can't do SIP over GPRS. |
| 12:37.07 | SpeedEvil | Only wifi or USB |
| 12:37.16 | SpeedEvil | Or bluetooth of course |
| 12:37.44 | Zoup | SpeedEvil: so its possible over WIFI ? i mean , is there any software to do it right now ? |
| 12:38.04 | SpeedEvil | As far as I know - no. |
| 12:40.03 | Zoup | SpeedEvil: ohum ... its pure software function isnt it ? i mean , i can go and buy and there will be sip software someday ... ? |
| 12:40.30 | nuclear_eclipse | Zoup: should be |
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| 12:41.03 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 12:41.11 | SpeedEvil | As with much stuff. |
| 12:41.13 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 12:41.46 | SpeedEvil | Expecting X to be available in a week or two is probably silly. |
| 12:41.58 | SpeedEvil | Unless you happen to get lucky. And some stuff will never materialise. |
| 12:42.18 | nuclear_eclipse | very true |
| 12:42.30 | broonie | If you absolutely must have it the most reliable thing is to contribute the code yourself :) |
| 12:42.40 | SpeedEvil | (where X is a poorly chosen name - as X is actually on it.) |
| 12:42.45 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
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| 12:44.46 | Wander_w | There are SIP applications available for Linux allready, you might try to compile those for openmoko |
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| 12:44.57 | Ainulindale | methril|lunch: And hopla ! bitbake fso-image |
| 12:45.05 | Wander_w | probably needs a bit of GUI tweaking though |
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| 12:55.54 | HauDyrArb | Ainulindale, what do fso mean |
| 12:56.38 | Ainulindale | Free Suffering for the Others ? |
| 12:56.40 | Ainulindale | I don't know :-) |
| 12:56.52 | Ainulindale | It's the new framework initiative |
| 12:57.09 | HauDyrArb | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework |
| 12:57.18 | HauDyrArb | or what |
| 12:57.23 | nuclear_eclipse | FreeSoftware.Org |
| 12:57.37 | Ainulindale | FreeSmartphone.Org I think |
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| 12:57.39 | SpeedEvil | FlyingSpaghettiOrator? |
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| 12:57.48 | nuclear_eclipse | Ainulindale: that's what I meant :P |
| 12:57.58 | Ainulindale | SpeedEvil: The only flying spaghetti thing I know is the flying spaghetti monster |
| 12:58.14 | SpeedEvil | Hallowed be his name. |
| 12:58.27 | Ainulindale | :-) |
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| 13:03.29 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all, whats cooking |
| 13:03.46 | AVee | Spaghetti... |
| 13:04.09 | Sup3rkiddo | mmmmm....Spagheettttiiii |
| 13:04.29 | AVee | Or would cooking spaghetti be considered blasphemy? |
| 13:05.37 | Sup3rkiddo | unless its fso |
| 13:05.47 | Ainulindale | It depends on whether you are dressed as a pirate while cooking or not |
| 13:06.10 | Ainulindale | http://www.venganza.org/ <= the religion manifesto |
| 13:06.16 | Ainulindale | (I loooove the banner) |
| 13:06.35 | HauDyrArb | Ainulindale, now http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO shuld explain it :-= |
| 13:06.59 | Ainulindale | Haha :-) |
| 13:07.10 | Ainulindale | I plan to do an introduction on how to build FSO later |
| 13:07.24 | Ainulindale | As I'm mainly trying to cope up with the fact that the documentation is inexistent |
| 13:07.40 | HauDyrArb | i look forward to that (especially when i get my phone :-) |
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| 13:09.13 | Wander_1 | Grmbl.. so this compagny sends a fortune on "enterprise" hardware and it's even less stable than my cheap-ass home-build stuff |
| 13:10.24 | Wander_1 | hmm.. wander_w is still here.. |
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| 13:23.09 | dns53 | does anyone know if there is geohashing (from xkcd) on the phone? |
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| 13:25.36 | HauDyrArb | or MokoMeet as it is now called :-) |
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| 13:25.57 | dns53 | so someone has written it? |
| 13:26.22 | HauDyrArb | no idea just giving it a fancy name |
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| 13:27.22 | Ainulindale | Here we are |
| 13:27.26 | Ainulindale | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO |
| 13:28.12 | nuclear_eclipse | Ainulindale: thanks :) |
| 13:28.46 | nuclear_eclipse | what in the FSO build still uses CVS for version control? |
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| 13:29.59 | pyknite | hi there |
| 13:30.36 | Ainulindale | nuclear_eclipse: Don't know :-) |
| 13:30.44 | nuclear_eclipse | oh, lol |
| 13:30.46 | Ainulindale | I did that as a pure newbie to the system |
| 13:30.51 | pyknite | someone ordered the freerunner on pulster? |
| 13:31.03 | Ainulindale | I just put down what I did and where to get what from where |
| 13:31.21 | Ainulindale | Because it didn't seem obvious to me that we had to do this or that in order to build fso |
| 13:31.31 | nuclear_eclipse | I just wish I had a Freerunner to try this on :P |
| 13:32.16 | methril | hi all some advice to get a USB/RS232 converter? |
| 13:36.22 | Ainulindale | Nope :-) |
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| 13:36.39 | Ainulindale | methril: would you give me your opinion on the FSO page and the "howto build FSO" ? |
| 13:36.42 | Ainulindale | Did I get it right ? |
| 13:36.49 | Ainulindale | (I mainly copied OE's wiki but...) |
| 13:37.16 | methril | but... |
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| 13:37.51 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07rsync-version * r51d76f16c7b8 10/ (10414 files in 345 dirs): Qtopia rsync of july 2nd 2008. The first available snapshot after license cleanups |
| 13:39.15 | Ainulindale | methril: it was a rhetoric but |
| 13:39.43 | methril | i'm going to check the build |
| 13:40.56 | methril | i have the OE repo in openembedded dir |
| 13:41.32 | methril | and if i try make fso-image with mokomkefile, it starts |
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| 13:41.55 | Ainulindale | Yep but first it is necessary to get the OE repo |
| 13:42.01 | Ainulindale | Which is not necessarily easy :-) |
| 13:42.10 | bastian_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.16 | bastian_ | i can't find makeinfo |
| 13:42.29 | methril | ah! the repo |
| 13:42.30 | bastian_ | the mokomakefile needs it |
| 13:42.48 | methril | i'm using git repo, but it's the same |
| 13:42.56 | bastian_ | can someone help me? |
| 13:42.58 | methril | did you get the MTN database? |
| 13:43.06 | Ainulindale | methril: yep |
| 13:43.10 | Ainulindale | bastian_: sorry, nope :-) |
| 13:43.12 | methril | do you have automake installed bastia_ ? |
| 13:43.27 | bastian_ | hmm, good question, i check it |
| 13:43.48 | methril | it's not automake |
| 13:44.28 | methril | and you initialized it correctly ? i remember your last error |
| 13:44.40 | methril | it's because they changed the database format |
| 13:45.13 | methril | bastian_ it's in texinfo package |
| 13:45.21 | bastian_ | thx |
| 13:46.49 | bastian_ | it works, thx |
| 13:47.09 | bastian_ | now i hope my image is build |
| 13:47.14 | methril | you are wellcome |
| 13:47.28 | bastian_ | to what? |
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| 13:47.47 | methril | to your thx :) |
| 13:47.57 | bastian_ | ah :) |
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| 13:58.38 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r58a217eb1d05 10/src/server/phone/callscreen/themed/callscreen.cpp: Revert "[theme] Update the two items in one go as well" |
| 13:58.38 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r11885f5012fc 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/ (vendor_ficgta01.cpp vendor_ficgta01_p.h): [ficgta01] Disable all CBMs on startup and provide a dummy CellBroadcast service (untested) |
| 13:58.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * rbfbab57fa3a9 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/vendor_ficgta01_p.h: [ficgta01] Cleanup the header file. Remove that part... |
| 13:58.41 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r352abc2e9bfa 10/src/server/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [callscreen] The current themed view usage is busted |
| 13:58.44 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r9ce4e6f8b36f 10/etc/themes/finxi/ (3 files): [callscreen] For the different views we will use different files |
| 13:58.47 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r99f7b5e7f61a 10/etc/themes/finxi/ (3 files): [callscreen] Remove the unrelated items from the theme files |
| 14:00.07 | Ainulindale | mickey|away: You're not away :-) |
| 14:00.26 | Ainulindale | mickey|away: you edited the wiki :-p |
| 14:00.32 | methril | hehehe |
| 14:00.55 | methril | <Ainulindale> show me your state :) |
| 14:00.56 | mickey|away | *nod* |away not necessarily means I'm physically away. It often means I'm simply incommunicado for IRC ;) |
| 14:01.08 | mickey|away | read: busy :) |
| 14:01.27 | methril | mickey speaks something like spanish? |
| 14:01.38 | mickey|away | unfortunately not |
| 14:01.39 | bastian_ | why don't you change your nick to mickey|busy? |
| 14:01.59 | mickey|away | heh, i tried taht |
| 14:01.59 | mickey|away | people tend to disrespect busy |
| 14:01.59 | Ainulindale | methril: my state ? |
| 14:01.59 | bastian_ | hehe |
| 14:02.04 | methril | your fso-image building state |
| 14:02.06 | methril | hehehe |
| 14:02.26 | Ainulindale | mickey|away: when you'll have time, please tell me if the FSO page I wrote is useful and synthetic enough |
| 14:02.29 | AVee | Yeah, but now you spoiled the magic of away. We won't believe it anymore ;) |
| 14:02.30 | Ainulindale | methril: still building |
| 14:02.35 | methril | ok |
| 14:02.57 | mickey|away | AVee: ;) |
| 14:03.01 | mickey|away | Ainulindale: i love it. thanks |
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| 14:06.20 | methril | when i arrive at home i'd like to put the git repo :) |
| 14:06.27 | Ainulindale | I hope it will help people like me bothering everyone here in order to be able to toy with the fso image |
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| 14:06.48 | Ainulindale | It amazes me how inexplicit it is |
| 14:07.12 | Ainulindale | It's as if we where looking to Slackware documentation |
| 14:07.16 | Ainulindale | s/where/were/ |
| 14:07.30 | methril | hahaha i remember my slackware days |
| 14:07.34 | methril | some time ago |
| 14:08.10 | Ainulindale | NOTE: Running task 208 of 3836 |
| 14:08.19 | Ainulindale | :-/ |
| 14:08.48 | methril | it's slow |
| 14:09.09 | methril | how many cores you put in the build/conf/local.conf? |
| 14:09.33 | Wander_w | 4 |
| 14:09.37 | Ainulindale | PARALLEL_MAKE = "-j 4" |
| 14:10.40 | methril | uf!! it's faster than mine |
| 14:11.02 | Ainulindale | faster ? Don't know |
| 14:11.11 | Ainulindale | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.18 | Ainulindale | (says /proc/cpuinfo) |
| 14:11.45 | methril | Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz |
| 14:11.52 | methril | faster :) |
| 14:12.07 | methril | and at home it's the same @2.33 |
| 14:12.18 | Ainulindale | methril: grep -i mips /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 14:12.27 | Ainulindale | (just curious) |
| 14:12.31 | methril | bogomips : 4259.46 |
| 14:12.31 | methril | bogomips : 4256.00 |
| 14:12.41 | linuxxr | are u trying to say that slackware documentation is incomplete? |
| 14:12.45 | Wander_w | (please note the bogo) |
| 14:12.45 | Ainulindale | My mips are bigger than yours ! :-p |
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| 14:12.55 | methril | hehehe |
| 14:13.56 | Wander_w | The slackware documentation is complete for small quantities of complete |
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| 14:14.39 | Ainulindale | Hahaha :-) |
| 14:18.50 | Wander_w | Does anyone know how to use git with a proxy? |
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| 14:27.10 | methril | i don't kwno |
| 14:27.30 | methril | you can use git clone http:// (i think that this could work with a proxy) |
| 14:28.19 | methril|away | and i'm really away :) |
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| 14:29.53 | Wander_w | methril|away: A great, I'll try that |
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| 14:33.23 | Wander_w | it doesn't work (the git-over-http) it complains: |
| 14:33.32 | Wander_w | Cannot get remote repository information. |
| 14:33.32 | Wander_w | Perhaps git-update-server-info needs to be run there? |
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| 14:39.22 | HauDyrArb | YES!! my FreeRunner is shipped today |
| 14:39.40 | ScaredyCat | to me? |
| 14:39.56 | HauDyrArb | sorry but No |
| 14:39.59 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 14:40.02 | bastian_ | mine has arrived this morning :) |
| 14:40.16 | HauDyrArb | you lucky bastian_ |
| 14:40.25 | bastian_ | yes, am i |
| 14:40.36 | zedstar_ | im gonna tipex out neo1973 on mine and write freerunner and sell it on ebay |
| 14:40.42 | Wander_w | lol |
| 14:40.45 | bastian_ | like christmas and birthday together |
| 14:40.52 | bastian_ | lol |
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| 14:42.06 | `pwgen` | <Ainulindale>: if your fso-image-buid is ready please would you check if your /etc/dbus/session.conf consists following line "<listen>unix:tmpdir=/tmp</listen>" |
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| 14:43.17 | `pwgen` | or only unix:/tmp ... you need the "tmpdir" entry to get dbus-session running |
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| 14:43.41 | ScaredyCat | hugs his neo 1973 |
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| 14:46.54 | mjr | got his 3G usb stick and it works. The provider also sent me another guy's SIM card though... |
| 14:47.04 | SpeedEvil | I need another case for the neo. |
| 14:47.10 | SpeedEvil | I want to play with adding wifi. |
| 14:48.43 | HauDyrArb | mjr, remember to call exstensivly to Nigeria on his simcard :-) |
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| 14:51.25 | Blalien | Hello all |
| 14:52.42 | Blalien | Does someone know if the Logitech diNovo Mini is already supported for the Neo Freerunner? |
| 14:53.26 | mjr | Blalien, should work since it's a bluetooth human interface device |
| 14:53.39 | mjr | at least the keyboard bit, not sure about the mouse |
| 14:54.07 | mjr | (it can certainly be made to work, just not sure if it's a point and click job) |
| 14:54.50 | Blalien | Thanks mjr, do you alson know if the Sandisk Micro SDHC 8GB Ultra is supported? Because I can't find anything about this card. Except for the part that they don't have one to try it out with. |
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| 14:57.45 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:58.23 | te_acrid | hi. my freerunner arrived today. but im stuck with tangogps. gllin seems to be only available for GTA01. anyone knows what is really needed on GTA2? |
| 14:58.32 | Blalien | I thought so, thanks. Now to get the NEO Freerunner, but that will take a while.. |
| 14:58.34 | SpeedEvil | you don't need gllin |
| 14:58.46 | SpeedEvil | you setup gpsd to read from /dev/ttySAC1 IIRC |
| 14:58.49 | SpeedEvil | Or maybe 2 |
| 14:58.57 | SpeedEvil | and turn ont he GPS first |
| 14:59.07 | te_acrid | ok, i'll have a look |
| 14:59.10 | zedstar_ | engadget got an article saying freerunner shipping july 7 |
| 14:59.13 | te_acrid | gps is turned on :) |
| 14:59.19 | SpeedEvil | Blalien: It's just bluez - as with any other. |
| 14:59.24 | SpeedEvil | Blalien: It's just bluez - as with any other linux box |
| 15:01.09 | Blalien | Yeah that's true SpeedEvil. But Christoph at Pulster also misunderstood me. So I'm still waiting for a reaction back. |
| 15:01.40 | Pjj_ | what's the battery lifetime with current software that is shipped with the freerunner |
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| 15:09.36 | bastian_ | @Pjj i guess 4-5 hours |
| 15:10.22 | bastian_ | i didn't load it totally, but it has run out of energy half an hour ago |
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| 15:12.16 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rd26c837efe12 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/input.vala: input: stop the watch after the first activity[D |
| 15:13.36 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r5b90f705484b 10/odeviced/src/plugins/rtc/rtc-helpers.c: Fix SetCurrentTime |
| 15:13.40 | Blalien | @bastian_, That's not very much. But that's on full power? |
| 15:13.51 | te_acrid | i switched GPS on by powerbutton. i ran gpsd -n /tmp/nmeaNP. i set the device in /etc/default/gpsd to ttySAC1 and 2, but tangogps shows nothing. cat /tmp/nmeaNP shows nothing... ideas anyone? :) |
| 15:14.10 | SpeedEvil | nmeaNP is irrelevant |
| 15:14.18 | SpeedEvil | cat /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 15:14.24 | SpeedEvil | Or 2 - I forget. |
| 15:14.32 | SpeedEvil | and you should get NMEA strings |
| 15:14.35 | Dave | man |
| 15:14.49 | bastian_ | i'm not sure, but i think, the image, which is shipped on the freerunner doesn't really support suspend |
| 15:14.59 | SpeedEvil | That look like $GPGGA,1,2,3,,4,,,$ |
| 15:15.01 | SpeedEvil | or something |
| 15:15.06 | SpeedEvil | Basheri: it doesn't |
| 15:15.11 | bastian_ | i have to say, that i startet it often and played around a lot |
| 15:15.31 | te_acrid | ah! cat /dev/ttySAC1shows... hmmm data :) |
| 15:16.23 | Dave | The charging could be vastly improved :| |
| 15:16.23 | zedstar_ | u can just telnet to gpsd and enter p to get your coordinates if u have a fix as well |
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| 15:16.37 | SpeedEvil | for example, $GPGGA,065852.00,5613.022527,N,00306.725890,W,1,05,0.5,158.0,M,0.277000,M,-0.0100515,*7A is a valid position. |
| 15:16.53 | SpeedEvil | 56 degrees, 13 minutes north, ... |
| 15:17.05 | Blalien | @bastian_ Well I will just have to wait for the battery time |
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| 15:18.30 | te_acrid | looks good: |
| 15:18.34 | bastian_ | yes, but i got the freerunner this morning, so i couldn't test a lot |
| 15:18.45 | te_acrid | GPSD,P=? |
| 15:18.51 | te_acrid | no fix yet i guess |
| 15:18.58 | bastian_ | with another kernel einstein got more than 24 hours |
| 15:19.09 | zedstar_ | yeh no fix if ? |
| 15:19.27 | zedstar_ | u can enter something like r to get the nmea to sphew |
| 15:19.30 | te_acrid | no fixed gps signal... |
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| 15:21.10 | te_acrid | btw how can i type slash and backslash on that keyboard o_O |
| 15:21.13 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. You need to wait a while. |
| 15:21.17 | SpeedEvil | ta: |
| 15:21.22 | wurp2|away | te_acrid: Get a bt kbd :-( |
| 15:21.44 | SpeedEvil | It outputs lots of very short sentances before it gets a lock. |
| 15:21.50 | wurp2|away | te_acrid: There might be / and \ buried in the multitap kbd somewhere... I assume that's what you're seeing? |
| 15:21.50 | te_acrid | hmmm... shipped with terminal and no slashes possible... thats weird |
| 15:22.08 | wurp2|away | te_acrid: There used to be sw kbds that supported slashes |
| 15:22.15 | te_acrid | yes its multitab. but no secrets found yet |
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| 15:22.27 | zedstar_ | maybe ssh in and use a proper keyboard ;) |
| 15:22.32 | wurp2|away | te_acrid: But I agree that it's weird that they settled at least for now on one that doesn's support it |
| 15:22.36 | wurp2|away | s/weird/stupid/ |
| 15:22.55 | wurp2|away | zedstar_: If you can ssh in, why do you need a term program on the device? |
| 15:23.12 | wurp2|away | zedstar_: Rather, if you're _expected_ to ssh in, what _use_ is a term program on the device |
| 15:23.31 | zedstar_ | wurp2 i mean for testing gpsd |
| 15:23.38 | zedstar_ | actually just telnet to it from another machine |
| 15:23.55 | wurp2 | zedstar_: Oh, yeah, agreed, except that you prolly want to be outside to get a fix quickly :-( |
| 15:24.22 | wurp2 | Of course, w/ wireless, I guess you could leave your $400 device sitting outside... |
| 15:24.46 | zedstar_ | wurp lol yeh |
| 15:24.50 | wurp2 | te_acrid: Anyway, you can try to do the steps on Switching_Keyboards |
| 15:25.22 | wurp2 | I dunno if they're any good on the latest images |
| 15:25.29 | zedstar_ | once i get a fix on the neo it isnt too bad and can go inside |
| 15:25.36 | wurp2 | Or rather, the latest package repos |
| 15:25.53 | wurp2 | zedstar_: I can actually get a fix in my house with my gta01 |
| 15:25.56 | te_acrid | i need a term program if i want to leave the building and check via telnet if gpsd is getting a fix |
| 15:26.14 | wurp2 | te_acrid: Yeah, Switching_Keyboards may fix you up |
| 15:26.27 | te_acrid | ok. will try that later |
| 15:26.31 | te_acrid | $GPTXT,01,01,01,NMEA unknown msg*58 |
| 15:26.36 | wurp2 | Or it may remove your multitap kbd and leave you needing to reimage if the repositories are currently fubar |
| 15:26.40 | zedstar_ | wurp not bad the gps in the neo.....the n810 is far less sensitive |
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| 15:27.17 | Wander_w | zedstar_: Yeah, the freerunner uses a GL hammerhead chip... that's a pretty good one |
| 15:27.17 | wurp2 | I wanna get a gps antenna so I can get quicker fixes in the car |
| 15:27.19 | te_acrid | who needs a keyboard if ssh is possbile ;) |
| 15:27.51 | SpeedEvil | TeNoVi: just cat /dev/tty... |
| 15:27.54 | te_acrid | but is this "unknown msg" ok? maybe i need to pass some options |
| 15:28.00 | SpeedEvil | te_acrid: and watch it on the terminal |
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| 15:28.09 | SpeedEvil | te_acrid: it's a venfor specific message |
| 15:28.17 | SpeedEvil | te_acrid: it goes away when you get a fix |
| 15:28.40 | te_acrid | ah ok. so i need to leave the building i guess :) |
| 15:29.03 | Wander_w | look out for the big burning ball in the sky! you might get burned |
| 15:30.20 | wurp2 | Have there been any reports from new FR owners about the time to first fix when outside? |
| 15:30.37 | wurp2 | I know there used to be an issue, and I've heard rumors that it's still a problem |
| 15:31.19 | zedstar_ | i would love to see a side by side fix comparions with the neo |
| 15:31.59 | wurp2 | I'm interested also in if it makes a difference if wifi & bt are on or off |
| 15:32.50 | zedstar_ | a working gps using gypsy is about the only thing im interested in over my neo |
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| 15:34.43 | Ainulindale | Does bitbake outputs everything in the build directory while in the do_install process ? |
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| 15:35.55 | SpeedEvil | The neo - at least my example - sucks in terms of accuracy. |
| 15:36.19 | SpeedEvil | It occasionally doessn't react to corners and just carries on for 80-100m |
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| 15:39.57 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: Are you looking at the raw nmea data? |
| 15:40.17 | SpeedEvil | wonders if he's got that jpeg. |
| 15:40.27 | SpeedEvil | It's not due to poor sat coverage |
| 15:40.39 | wurp2 | I do see it extrapolate from my past motion when it's slow getting a fix - I thought it was the map app doing it |
| 15:40.57 | wurp2 | I have played a little bit with an app I wrote to guide you back to a set point |
| 15:41.21 | wurp2 | And I had what looked like big accuracy issues, but I wrote it off as a bug in my code until I've looked into it more |
| 15:41.45 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/josm.png |
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| 15:42.07 | SpeedEvil | pink is the neo GPS |
| 15:42.17 | Wander_w | wurp2: where did you do these experiments? (near big, metal buildings perhaps?) |
| 15:42.18 | SpeedEvil | white is another GPS at the same time in a poorer position. |
| 15:42.42 | SpeedEvil | This is in a single-story housing estate with no big trees, all houses set well back from the road. |
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| 15:43.03 | wurp2 | Wander_w: In a supermarket parking lot (> 20 meters from building) & in my front yard |
| 15:43.10 | SpeedEvil | Look at the horrible loops in the pink track. |
| 15:43.18 | SpeedEvil | versus the nice sharp corners in the white one. |
| 15:44.09 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: How do you mean, in a poorer position? |
| 15:44.43 | SpeedEvil | Jammed just under the top of the windscreen. obscured by a metal lip. |
| 15:44.51 | wurp2 | Ah |
| 15:44.59 | SpeedEvil | Versus on the dashboard under a clear windscreen. |
| 15:45.05 | wurp2 | Yeah, the neo's looking pretty sucky in that pic :-( |
| 15:45.39 | Wander_w | and what about the purple track? |
| 15:45.56 | wurp2 | I think that's what SpeedEvil calls pink |
| 15:46.15 | Wander_w | SpeedEvil: are you colourblind? |
| 15:46.20 | wurp2 | I dunno what to call it, both sounds good to me |
| 15:46.36 | wurp2 | s/sounds/sound/ |
| 15:46.37 | cekay | qtopia snapshots are back on trolltech's ftp |
| 15:46.44 | wurp2 | cekay: Woohoo!! |
| 15:46.48 | wurp2 | Qt4? |
| 15:47.03 | cekay | only the 4.3.2snapshot source |
| 15:47.13 | cekay | at this time |
| 15:48.18 | te_acrid | isnt it possible to get a quicker gps-fix with downloading sat-positions from the internet (did that with a WM device...) |
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| 15:49.25 | zedstar_ | on the topic of gps anyone seen this http://www.blueskypositioning.com/products.htm wtf is an in-sim antenna? |
| 15:50.08 | Dave | hah! |
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| 15:52.37 | zedstar_ | te_acrid yeh there is apparently an assistance server that requires a login to download from |
| 15:53.39 | Wander_w | assistence data from mio: http://service.mio-tech.com/eeservice/packedephemeris.ee |
| 15:54.01 | Wander_w | that's what I use for my TomTom |
| 15:54.51 | te_acrid | thats a binary... i dont think its executable from the FR :) |
| 15:55.18 | zedstar_ | if u search the ML they mention the assistance server and what u need to access it |
| 15:55.29 | Wander_w | it's not an executable, its the data for assisted GPS |
| 15:56.23 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: basically extreme sensitivity and a lot of praying :) |
| 15:56.38 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: it looks pink on my screen. |
| 15:57.10 | SpeedEvil | A hot pink admittedly. |
| 15:57.13 | SpeedEvil | Not the pastel sort. |
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| 15:59.30 | wurp2 | Yeah, I knew what you meant by pink. |
| 15:59.36 | wurp2 | It's mauve. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauve |
| 16:00.27 | SpeedEvil | I was actually looking at the top trace - which is hot pink |
| 16:00.46 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't realise in the small window that I looked it at that there were two similar hues. |
| 16:02.30 | wurp2 | Uh, weird, your hostname is www.mauve.plus.com |
| 16:03.04 | bastian_ | so, i'm leaving. cya |
| 16:06.03 | te_acrid | how long is the estimated time to get a gps fix? |
| 16:06.18 | te_acrid | maybe i should move the FR somewere else |
| 16:07.15 | zedstar_ | is it cloudy there? |
| 16:07.21 | te_acrid | nope |
| 16:07.23 | te_acrid | blue sky |
| 16:07.29 | te_acrid | 32°C |
| 16:07.41 | zedstar_ | nice im moving there then lol |
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| 16:09.11 | wurp2 | te_acrid: 12 minutes should be the max, pretty much |
| 16:09.43 | wurp2 | te_acrid: 2 minutes is fairly common :-/ |
| 16:10.52 | te_acrid | ouch |
| 16:11.12 | wurp2 | te_acrid: About one minute is average for me, I think. |
| 16:11.16 | te_acrid | i just realized tangops shows "0/0 satelites" |
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| 16:11.30 | zedstar_ | did u actually go outside? |
| 16:11.31 | wurp2 | te_acrid: I'm not sure tangogps knows about gypsy |
| 16:11.47 | te_acrid | FR is lying outside. about 1,5m away from the wall |
| 16:11.51 | wurp2 | te_acrid: But if you're not getting any satellites, something is wrong |
| 16:12.10 | wurp2 | You can see the # of satellites in the raw nmea data |
| 16:12.22 | te_acrid | like how? |
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| 16:12.28 | jpt9 | hey. |
| 16:12.50 | jpt9 | Can someone save the Freerunner CAD files as a .slp file so I can open it in Blender? |
| 16:13.07 | jpt9 | It seems a bit odd to offer CAD files for an open-source phone in a format that open-source software can't read. |
| 16:13.33 | wurp2 | te_acrid: Look for GPGSA lines and interpret them using http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/nmea.htm#GSA |
| 16:13.44 | jpt9 | (That being said, I certainly understand using commercial CAD software for rapid prototyping, etc.) |
| 16:13.58 | wurp2 | jpt9: I think they never found a format that actually included the useful info that an OSS prog could read |
| 16:14.04 | jpt9 | oh. |
| 16:14.05 | broonie | jpt9: If they're in a format which nobody in the manufacturing industry uses it's unhelpful too :) |
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| 16:14.10 | wurp2 | jpt9: If you look in the mailing list archives there's a discussion about it |
| 16:14.14 | jpt9 | ah. |
| 16:14.38 | textshell | jpt9: i guess the department that manages those things doesn't even belong to openmoko and the design predates the neo anyway. |
| 16:14.45 | SpeedEvil | GPGSV actually - for number of sats |
| 16:14.58 | SpeedEvil | $GPGSV,3,1,11,23,45,176,27,17,44,258,24,11,41,152,24,13,12,197,11*7A |
| 16:15.12 | SpeedEvil | the 3 insicates that this line has 3 satellites information on it |
| 16:15.35 | wurp2 | I think the OSS cad program formats didn't have the info you would actually use to manufacture, just to make it look right |
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| 16:15.46 | SpeedEvil | the 1 is sat number, 11 is signal strength, 23,45 is the azimuth and elevation |
| 16:15.50 | SpeedEvil | Or some other order |
| 16:15.56 | jpt9 | I'm not planning on manufacturing it; I just like playing with Blender :-) |
| 16:15.57 | TAsn | 5 days, and counting ;9 |
| 16:16.00 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: Yeah, that's better... you can get the info from GPGSA, too, by looking at the list of satellites connected |
| 16:17.02 | textshell | jpt9: but those files are done primarly for manufacturing. And have been people offering to convert them to other formats. I think soon there'll be converted version of the freerunner files. |
| 16:17.04 | wurp2 | Although I guess GPGSV shows the # of satellites in view, as opposed to actually being tracked |
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| 16:17.35 | kuzgun | one of the libraries to develop my application depends on gnome-keyring ( to store passwords ), should I disable this not to use gnome-keyring or try to compile it for openmoko, or any idea about that? |
| 16:18.24 | jpt9 | Also, it'd help if all the CAD files didn't have .1 at the end of the filenames :-) |
| 16:18.30 | jpt9 | But I think NX 5 can read them... |
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| 16:28.43 | TAsn | is libglade ported to om? |
| 16:29.09 | TAsn | because if so, apps using libglade will be easy to port, am i right? |
| 16:29.11 | textshell | doesn't need porting. |
| 16:29.38 | textshell | i'm sure it's been in OE a long time. |
| 16:32.04 | TAsn | cool. |
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| 16:38.28 | erko | Anyone heard if wxpython has been built for openmoko/neo devices? |
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| 16:44.37 | `pwgen` | TAsn: sure, in OE, bitbake python-pygtk i think will build libglade |
| 16:45.03 | TAsn | `pwgen`, cool, thanks :) |
| 16:46.02 | `pwgen` | TAsn: i got dbusinspector running, after building + installing python-pygtk |
| 16:46.25 | `pwgen` | dbusinspector use some .glade file .. |
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| 16:51.06 | TAsn | `pwgen`, i got that out of the context :) |
| 16:51.18 | TAsn | glade is a really good idea, im a big supporter of it. |
| 16:51.30 | mjr | glade <3 |
| 16:51.49 | wurp2 | Is OE still under monotone? I thought I had read recently that it was migrating to git. |
| 16:52.19 | XorA|gone | wurp2: still in progress |
| 16:53.08 | wurp2 | XorA|gone: ah, thx |
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| 17:18.52 | `pwgen` | TAsn: i can provide you a little sd-card image ~200mb uncompressed with pygtk |
| 17:19.16 | TAsn | `pwgen`, i wish i had the moko ;) |
| 17:19.25 | TAsn | but i don't so i have nothing to do with it now. |
| 17:19.38 | TAsn | but doesn't the pyneo come with pygtk? |
| 17:19.41 | `pwgen` | TAsn: i whish my gta02 will arrive soon |
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| 17:20.06 | TAsn | `pwgen`, shh, don't make me cry of envy. im a grown man. |
| 17:20.56 | `pwgen` | pyneo will be deprecated and the succesor for it is ophoned/ fso-image |
| 17:21.37 | `pwgen` | .. i think , i am sure . for exact answer ask mlauer or mickeyl |
| 17:23.45 | `pwgen` | TAsn: be happy, without an real gta you never will be frustated if the gsm part isn't working as you want .... |
| 17:24.05 | TAsn | `pwgen`, im really excited about the fso image, i really don't think qtopia has a future, but i guess it's just my gtk fanboism talking, because it does not want qt to prevail :) |
| 17:24.21 | TAsn | `pwgen`, :) |
| 17:25.12 | TAsn | well im going to grab my self dinner. (ugt dinner that is) |
| 17:25.22 | TAsn | cya |
| 17:25.53 | te_acrid | i still fail to get GPS working der OM gui counts fails (but somehow got the UTC). if i look at $GPGSV i see 1,1,00*79 |
| 17:26.36 | wurp2 | I think pygtk should still be in the repositories |
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| 17:27.01 | wurp2 | te_acrid: So you're getting *1* satellite? |
| 17:27.05 | wurp2 | That is the suck! |
| 17:27.14 | wurp2 | Sorry, der Suck. |
| 17:27.43 | te_acrid | if thats the way to interpret it... then yes |
| 17:29.33 | `pwgen` | wurp2: maybe am fso-gtk-image with an little gtk app .. |
| 17:29.35 | wurp2 | Can you give the whole GPGSV line? |
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| 17:30.54 | wurp2 | te_acrid: Er, actually I think that says 0 satellites in view |
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| 17:31.20 | wurp2 | But that line content doesn't actually match what I see on the nmea data site I'm looking at... |
| 17:32.08 | wurp2 | Maybe the PRN #, elevation, azimuth are omitted if there are no satellites |
| 17:32.39 | wurp2 | actually, I'm pretty sure that's it. You're not getting *any* satellites. |
| 17:33.02 | wurp2 | The gta01 doesn't spit out nmea data unless the gps is running... I'm not sure if that's true for FR |
| 17:33.06 | wurp2 | Are you sure your gps is on? |
| 17:33.08 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 17:33.46 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: Are you suggesting a new image to create? |
| 17:34.08 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: 'cause pythongtk or pygtk or whatever the package is called used to be in the repositories |
| 17:34.20 | wurp2 | I know 'cause my charge rate monitor app uses it |
| 17:34.29 | wurp2 | Of course, I've only tried that on 2007.2 images |
| 17:36.35 | te_acrid | i switched it on by menu... and "gpsd /dev/ttySAC1" is running |
| 17:36.43 | te_acrid | i dont know what eelse is needed... |
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| 17:37.23 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rfc4176d6a2bd 10/odeviced/docs/PLUGINS.txt: Sync docs |
| 17:37.23 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r0d4ffa85570f 10/odeviced/src/plugins/rtc/rtc-helpers.c: Add write_rtc_time that does changes rtc epoch correctly |
| 17:38.03 | wurp2 | te_acrid: I'm not sure how to check if the device is on in FR |
| 17:38.22 | wurp2 | te_acrid: Somewhere in /sys should be a *gps* directory with a *power* "file" in it |
| 17:38.33 | zedstar_ | if u in r in gpsd it will start outputting nmea |
| 17:38.37 | wurp2 | and catting that file will give a 1 if it's on or a 0 if it's off |
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| 17:38.59 | Qwell | wurp2: is it a writable proc entry also? |
| 17:39.49 | wurp2 | Qwell: No idea; I don't have an FR. I thought they were writable on the gta01 |
| 17:40.02 | zedstar_ | if u wanna see what a working gpsd outputs to compare telnet to gpsd.mainframe.cx 2947 |
| 17:40.17 | wurp2 | But some of those devices have a complicated start-up... you have to echo 0 to the power, then echo 1 to the reset, then echo 1 to the power or something |
| 17:40.29 | Qwell | funky |
| 17:40.42 | wurp2 | I think that was just the gsm on the gta01, though |
| 17:41.01 | wurp2 | and it was worse than that, since you have to send an AT@POFF to it in there somewhere |
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| 17:43.13 | `pwgen` | wurp2: i am experimenting to build an sd card image that extends the fso image with some nice X apps and gtk support |
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| 17:45.09 | ramaya | guys .. as far as i know freerunner has usb . so can you plug a flash disk ? |
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| 17:47.57 | balrog-kun | ramaya: if it doesn't hog much power, yes |
| 17:49.08 | ramaya | there is a limit of 4 gb for the sd card ? |
| 17:49.19 | wurp2 | `pwgen_shopping`: That's great!! |
| 17:51.04 | mjr | ramaya, no |
| 17:51.51 | ramaya | mjr: look at this http://www.pulster.de/info/pdas/openmoko/freerunner-flyer.pdf |
| 17:52.13 | ramaya | on the memory section |
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| 17:56.53 | mjr | probably leftovers since the 8 GB microSDs are pretty new |
| 17:57.12 | Dave | Yeah I noticed that collecting data with tango is a pretty good usage test. |
| 17:57.38 | Dave | Since it eats cpu and power. |
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| 18:09.15 | wurp2 | Dave: Why do you say it eats power? GPS is not that power heavy, I don't think... although I guess that test will use plenty of power by keeping the CPU & bus buys |
| 18:09.19 | wurp2 | s/buys/busy/ |
| 18:10.28 | Dave | Wurp, that is correct, and you are right, however tango's near realtime updating/downloading of the maps and dynamically displaying them as you move, DOES in fact eat a lot of power :P |
| 18:10.49 | Dave | It's a combination of things :) |
| 18:10.52 | wurp2 | Oh, I predownload my maps, usually |
| 18:10.54 | wurp2 | Good point :-) |
| 18:11.23 | Dave | Hehe, yeah well so did I, but I drove several hundred miles yesterday so it was a great road test for the device! |
| 18:11.26 | wurp2 | How has the gsm been on your FR? Do you ever lose calls? |
| 18:11.33 | wurp2 | Heh, yep |
| 18:11.45 | Dave | I haven't lost any calls yet, perhaps I should use it more to test :) |
| 18:11.49 | wurp2 | So you have gprs working on your FR? |
| 18:11.53 | Dave | Yes! |
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| 18:12.03 | wurp2 | My gsm seems to lose its connection to the network about once every couple of days |
| 18:12.10 | gmaxwell | A .. password? 0_o |
| 18:12.12 | Dave | I'm working on a gprs communication application right now, actually. |
| 18:12.18 | Dave | Wurp, strange... |
| 18:12.20 | wurp2 | Dave: Did you have to do anything special, or just follow the wiki instructions? |
| 18:12.25 | Dave | I'll try using it as a phone more :) |
| 18:12.35 | Dave | Wurp, for which, gprs? |
| 18:12.39 | wurp2 | Dave: That seems to be an issue that has come & gone with different builds |
| 18:12.42 | wurp2 | Dave: yes |
| 18:13.47 | Dave | Actually a couple of my fellow developers had already written a ppp chat script which utilized it, and I built off of that, I am however going to cross reference the wiki as I proceed forward :) |
| 18:13.58 | Dave | I tested it on the GTA01 and now the GTA02 |
| 18:14.09 | Dave | so far it "works," but I have yet to run one of my applications on it :) |
| 18:14.16 | Dave | That is going to come towards the end of this week. |
| 18:14.40 | wurp2 | Well, gprs has been using it, it sounds like |
| 18:14.42 | Dave | thinks he should really be keeping a blog of sorts of all his exciting FR activity. |
| 18:14.45 | te_acrid | i got a fix.... just took ages \o/ |
| 18:14.58 | te_acrid | ~~o ~o~ o~~ |
| 18:15.07 | Dave | Big brother is watching you, eh te_acrid? :) |
| 18:15.18 | te_acrid | ^^ |
| 18:15.18 | wurp2 | te_acrid: :-( |
| 18:15.28 | Dave | Aww, what? |
| 18:15.41 | wurp2 | Dave: How long to first gps fix for you? |
| 18:16.00 | wurp2 | I was just commiserating with te_acrid on his slow gps fix |
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| 18:17.06 | Dave | Aww |
| 18:17.32 | Dave | Wurp, my first? The first time I got it to work? or, on average how long after starting gpsd does it take to get a realistic fix from satellites? |
| 18:17.43 | wurp2 | On average, how long after starting gps... |
| 18:17.53 | Dave | Yeah, honestly, it is rather unpredictable. |
| 18:17.57 | wurp2 | I would say *any* fix from satellites, not just realistic |
| 18:18.09 | Dave | Sometimes it takes seconds (like 1-2), other times it can take thirty seconds |
| 18:18.15 | wurp2 | You shouldn't get any lat/long info from gpsd until it has 4 satellites |
| 18:18.24 | wurp2 | Dave: That's actually pretty freaking fantastic! |
| 18:18.25 | Dave | My experience has also been, starting gpsd outside seems to help expedite the process :P |
| 18:18.39 | wurp2 | *Way* better than the 01, which is the opposite of what I'd been led to believe |
| 18:18.49 | Dave | otherwise, I just toss it in the car or my pocket and move around until I get in a "sweet spot" when it finally initializes |
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| 18:19.11 | Dave | I am a bit saddened that I think I broke gpsd on one of my freerunners |
| 18:19.21 | Dave | I think it's a package conflict or something odd |
| 18:19.37 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.38 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * raa567fee79f3 10/odeviced/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 18:19.38 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: helpers.vala: add write_string helper |
| 18:19.38 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: input.vala: fix dangling parameter |
| 18:19.38 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: rtc.vala: expose DBus method for Suspend |
| 18:19.47 | Dave | because after installing stuff gpsd is clearly screwed up and never obtains data, ever, perhaps I'll reinvestigate it further later on. |
| 18:20.05 | Dave | Though yes, wurp, in my experience the GTA02 can sometimes take an abnormally long time to get a fix :[ |
| 18:20.18 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: are you actually turning the GPS off? |
| 18:20.20 | Dave | furthermore, it's most disappointing feature is how little data it shows you on what's going on. |
| 18:20.37 | SpeedEvil | Dave: if you don't, then it's still generating positions - as gllin would. |
| 18:20.37 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: Oh, good point :-/ |
| 18:21.03 | wurp2 | Dave: Are you looking at the raw nmea data? That tells you quite a bit |
| 18:21.03 | Dave | Speed, I follow the same procedure on all of them. |
| 18:21.07 | Dave | Wurp, yes. |
| 18:21.32 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: you're powering down the GPS explicitly? |
| 18:21.39 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 18:21.42 | Dave | heehee |
| 18:21.45 | Dave | Powering up? |
| 18:22.29 | SpeedEvil | Dave: If you do not turn off the GPS, it will stay on, generating positions, then when you read it it'll simply output the latest one. |
| 18:23.02 | wurp2 | Which is actually what I do most of the time, because the gps doesn't take that much power and I like looking back on the logs sometimes :-) |
| 18:23.22 | SpeedEvil | For neo1973 - gllin is the bit which needs to be turned 'off'. |
| 18:23.28 | Dave | hehe, I just log the interesting trips I've taken so far, so I can reconstruct the data later :) |
| 18:23.40 | xming | so it seems a lot of you got the new toy, can someone tell me the (approx) battery life in standby? is it hours, days, weeks, ...? |
| 18:23.48 | SpeedEvil | xming: irrelevant. |
| 18:23.49 | wurp2 | Dave: That's probably what happened when you got 1-2 second fixes. You should get nmea data every 3 seconds, so it would take a couple of seconds for tangogps to show a fix |
| 18:23.51 | SpeedEvil | Battery life is a work in progress. The powersaving software is in a very rudimentary state. At the moment 12h is about the most. A week standby and 6 hours talk,20 hours mp3 is probable. |
| 18:24.14 | Dave | Mine has lasted 24hr with nothing powered on :p |
| 18:24.15 | xming | SpeedEvil: so the current state is 12h? |
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| 18:24.25 | wurp2 | xming: Standby doesn't work right now, except on fso release which has very little (but very stable) functionality |
| 18:24.25 | Dave | though that's rather impractical :P |
| 18:24.30 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: is that CPU active at 400MHz? |
| 18:24.50 | Dave | rolls his eyes at Speedevil's tabcomplete. |
| 18:24.51 | SpeedEvil | Is Dave and Daviey seperate users |
| 18:24.54 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 18:24.59 | Dave | Affirmative. |
| 18:25.20 | SpeedEvil | notes he's never seen Dave and Daviey in the same room. |
| 18:25.35 | Dave | casts a skeptical glare across the room to Daviey. |
| 18:25.44 | xming | 3 or 4 days in standby would be very nice |
| 18:25.59 | SpeedEvil | Dave: how did you set it up? |
| 18:26.13 | SpeedEvil | Dave: GPS GSM bluetooth off, and just left it? |
| 18:26.13 | xming | remembers his old nokia 6210i with 4 weeks standby |
| 18:26.26 | Dave | Yeah and the display turned off as well. |
| 18:26.29 | SpeedEvil | 4 weeks is moderately unlikely. |
| 18:26.39 | Dave | I don't think I did any separate software manipulations. |
| 18:26.49 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: Just to check - you've not got it plugged in? |
| 18:26.51 | xming | I had used that phone for 2 years so I would know :) |
| 18:26.53 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 18:27.04 | Dave | Though I have noticed those stupid software issues. |
| 18:27.13 | Dave | Apps eating cpu constantly for no reason. :] |
| 18:27.18 | SpeedEvil | Dave: plugged into USB that is. |
| 18:27.21 | Dave | Certainly things will improve as time goes on :) |
| 18:27.29 | Dave | Speed, are you asking if I did? |
| 18:27.39 | xming | for freerunner I am hoping for 3~4 days |
| 18:27.45 | SpeedEvil | Dave: I'm just checking for oopses before editing wikis. |
| 18:28.00 | SpeedEvil | xming: that should be - based on reported possibilities - very pessimstic. |
| 18:28.03 | Dave | If you really want, I'll take three of them, follow the same procedure, and leave them on today, and let you know the average power on times of them :P |
| 18:28.22 | Dave | Presumably sometime tomorrow :) |
| 18:28.22 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: that would be of use. |
| 18:28.28 | Dave | Okay. |
| 18:28.29 | xming | but with such a loverly toy I wonder if it would have 1 hour bat. life during the first weeks :) |
| 18:28.33 | SpeedEvil | Daviey: u-boot - on GTA01 supported the 'speed' command. |
| 18:28.42 | Dave | yeah, that was slick |
| 18:28.43 | SpeedEvil | Dave: this let you set it to 50MHz if you wanted |
| 18:28.52 | SpeedEvil | Dave: does 02 support that? |
| 18:28.52 | Dave | right |
| 18:29.00 | `pwgen` | how do i create the Packages.sig files if i build my own repository ? |
| 18:29.02 | SpeedEvil | xming: 1 hour - it's beetter than that. |
| 18:29.19 | SpeedEvil | xming: you get at least 4-5 hours even with the screen on, you probably can't get under 2.5 hours or so. |
| 18:29.23 | Dave | Unsure, if so it's not conveniently accessible. |
| 18:29.23 | xming | SpeedEvil: I meant I would drain the bat. in the first few weeks :) |
| 18:29.37 | Dave | Speedevil, I haven't dared try the fast charge method, either :P |
| 18:29.57 | Dave | Though I am going to submit my several bugreports on uBoot soon, once I get around to it :( |
| 18:30.09 | Dave | It's quite disappointing, from a developer's perspective. |
| 18:30.20 | Dave | from a user's perspective it was rather museful for the first five minutes. |
| 18:30.36 | Dave | But then you realize, hey, I'm actually trying to get things done, this sucks :) |
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| 18:32.18 | Dave | Speedevil, another entire conversation could be about the accuracy of the GPS readings that I get. :\ |
| 18:34.26 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r248460d93d35 10/odeviced/src/ (daemon/plugin.vala plugins/input/input.vala): |
| 18:34.26 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: plugin.vala: Make all symbols local to the respective plugins |
| 18:34.26 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: input.vala: fix a trivial error |
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| 18:34.38 | zlfita | how long does freerunner go with a fully charged battery? |
| 18:34.57 | zlfita | assume it's sleeping most of the time |
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| 18:35.36 | wurp2 | zlfita: Scroll up in the conversation :-) |
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| 18:35.58 | mjr | *sigh* |
| 18:38.04 | Dave | terve |
| 18:39.09 | zlfita | rs now? |
| 18:39.16 | zlfita | 12 hours now? |
| 18:39.18 | zlfita | thanks |
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| 18:44.19 | wurp2 | zlfita: And probably a week with standby |
| 18:44.38 | wurp2 | zlfita: Which works in the fso release, if all you want is basic phone functionality from your FR |
| 18:49.40 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: You should talk to Ainulindale about your fso release... I think he's working on something similar |
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| 18:51.55 | Hydrant | what is the screen like on the free runner? Is it fairly durable? |
| 18:52.54 | wurp2 | Hydrant: I've had my gta01 for six months - I do have one scratch on it |
| 18:53.17 | wurp2 | Hydrant: Scraping on any metal will scratch, most other things won't. I highly recommend getting screen protectors. |
| 18:53.41 | Hydrant | alright... I was kinda hoping it would have a glass cover like the iPhone... they might have patented that though |
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| 18:53.52 | Hydrant | I was more curious than anything, doesn't change my desire to get one |
| 18:54.10 | wurp2 | Hydrant: It's a resistive touch screen, so the screen has to compress to be able to detect touches |
| 18:54.28 | Hydrant | can you buy screens like the one on the iphone? I doubt that apple would have invented it |
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| 18:54.42 | zlfita | a pouch will probably protect on the go |
| 18:54.53 | Hydrant | well it's going to be like a treo or something |
| 18:54.58 | wurp2 | Dunno, but hacking it onto a FR would be a big task |
| 18:55.05 | SpeedEvil | Hydrant: things change _hugely_ if you go to a manufacturer and say 'I want a million screens'. |
| 18:55.18 | wurp2 | especially since the iphone screen has a quarter the resolution of the FR |
| 18:55.21 | Hydrant | yah |
| 18:55.37 | Hydrant | it'll be more like a treo then |
| 18:55.46 | Hydrant | is the screen able to be replaced fairly easily? |
| 18:55.51 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you can swap screens on GTA01 quite easily. |
| 18:55.55 | wurp2 | I agree, though, I would much rather have a screen the size & rez of iphone, and with multitouch |
| 18:56.08 | Hydrant | more so just the durability |
| 18:56.11 | SpeedEvil | If you're not scared of making your own flex-PCBs, and own a rework station. |
| 18:56.12 | Hydrant | I have an ipod touch |
| 18:56.35 | Hydrant | hopefully I would be able to buy spare parts from openmoko.com |
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| 18:56.50 | Hydrant | it would be really sweet to be able to just get replacement parts if I need them |
| 18:57.34 | SpeedEvil | In practice, with a scree protector, it's moderately hard to damage. |
| 18:57.36 | SpeedEvil | screen |
| 18:57.52 | SpeedEvil | Sitting on it may do it though. |
| 18:58.09 | flaushy | well ... if u give it to someone and someone tries to poke through -.- |
| 18:58.14 | flaushy | as happened to my pda |
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| 19:01.11 | wurp2 | I got no scratches at all on mine that I could see, after months of keeping it in my pocket (w/ no keys) or a pouch |
| 19:01.35 | wurp2 | But when I started wearing it on my hip with a ClipHanger, I got a short, deep scratch within a week or 2 :-( |
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| 19:01.58 | wurp2 | But all of that was with no protector |
| 19:02.03 | wurp2 | Now I have a protector :-) |
| 19:02.35 | polz | does anyone here have a Neo1973 ? |
| 19:02.42 | wurp2 | yes |
| 19:02.57 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
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| 19:03.13 | SpeedEvil | hip - with screen out is _bad_. |
| 19:03.23 | SpeedEvil | Way too vulnerable to crush injuries. |
| 19:03.45 | polz | I've just installed mwester's neod and kernel |
| 19:03.48 | wurp2 | I'm not sticking the damn thing in my pocket (except when wearing cargo pockets) |
| 19:03.56 | wurp2 | nor in a pouch around my neck |
| 19:04.06 | polz | and the GSM seems to work now... but the GPS doesn't when the phone returns from suspend |
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| 19:04.10 | wurp2 | So I guess it's on the hip until it breaks in a year, then I'll get a new one |
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| 19:04.48 | wurp2 | polz: Hrm, IMO suspend should just turn off gps & resume turn it back on (if it was on when suspended) |
| 19:04.51 | polz | SpeedEvil, wurp2, have you ever tried using GPS after the phone wakes ? |
| 19:04.57 | SpeedEvil | polac: no |
| 19:05.01 | SpeedEvil | lz: |
| 19:05.40 | polz | wurp2: I've tried turning the gps off manually before letting the phone suspend |
| 19:05.52 | wurp2 | And it still won't come up after resume? |
| 19:05.55 | polz | wurp2: and it doesn't seem to be working when I turn it back on |
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| 19:06.01 | wurp2 | Yowza |
| 19:06.08 | wurp2 | I think I have mwester's kernel on my phone now |
| 19:06.19 | polz | tangoGPS shows the correct GPS time but not the location |
| 19:06.26 | wurp2 | I didn't know mwester had a custom neod |
| 19:06.56 | wurp2 | polz: Have you tried looking at raw nmea data? |
| 19:07.05 | wurp2 | To see how many satellites you're getting, etc |
| 19:07.32 | wurp2 | 'cause if you're getting the time, it's talking to satellites. I dunno anything other than some timing issue that would let it get satellite time but not a fix |
| 19:07.36 | polz | wurp2: http://moko.mwester.net/ |
| 19:08.06 | polz | wurp2: I got the neod from here |
| 19:08.33 | polz | and Tango says it can see the satellites |
| 19:08.45 | omry | Freerunner does not support 3g data communication? |
| 19:08.50 | SpeedEvil | omry: no |
| 19:09.14 | omry | SpeedEvil, bummer. the next generation will? |
| 19:09.20 | mjr | no |
| 19:09.26 | omry | why? |
| 19:09.26 | wurp2 | polz: Ah, I saw the site, missed that I needed to get neod from the apmstuff.tgx |
| 19:09.27 | SpeedEvil | omry: evetually, ys |
| 19:09.31 | wurp2 | s/tgz/tgz/ |
| 19:09.47 | SpeedEvil | omry: availability and cost reasons |
| 19:09.48 | omry | SpeedEvil, licensing issues? |
| 19:10.04 | wurp2 | omry: I think 04 is the earliest we would see 3g... mjr would know better |
| 19:10.10 | mjr | I wouldn't |
| 19:10.18 | mjr | I'm just a hack |
| 19:10.20 | wurp2 | Oh, I thought you were with OM |
| 19:10.31 | wurp2 | Must be some other m-something TLA |
| 19:10.37 | omry | wurp2, 04? I am guessing that freerunner is 02? |
| 19:10.43 | wurp2 | omry: yes |
| 19:10.43 | SpeedEvil | yess |
| 19:10.49 | omry | nice guess :) |
| 19:10.51 | mjr | but indeed, with GTA03, all that's being talked about is an upgrade to EDGE. Nothing major. |
| 19:11.07 | wurp2 | 03 is (theoretically) 02 - glamo + camera + something else I don't remember right now |
| 19:11.24 | wurp2 | mjr: I didn't even know 03 was gonna do EDGE! That's big news! |
| 19:11.35 | mjr | 04, bets are off, but everyone hopes it's gonna do umts |
| 19:11.36 | omry | are there any resellers that ship to other countries? |
| 19:13.13 | TAsn | omry, ata lo harishon me haharetz that i c here :) |
| 19:13.32 | mjr | wurp2, that's what raster at least has been throwing around. Since three weeks back I think. |
| 19:13.49 | wurp2 | Yeah, but what the hell does he know |
| 19:13.52 | omry | TAsn, :), I just saw the ynet article. it reminded me that I checked this project a while ago. |
| 19:14.30 | mjr | wurp2, that's true. Though Mickey tacitly implied also that this would be the case... |
| 19:14.34 | TAsn | omry, yeah, that doron guy is trying to get it approved and be a distributor. |
| 19:14.37 | polz | wurp2: correct me if I'm wrong - I should be seeing some GPGGA lines, right ? |
| 19:14.46 | SpeedEvil | yes pol |
| 19:15.03 | polz | well, I'm not |
| 19:15.10 | SpeedEvil | polac: those - and GPRMC sentances are the only position reports. |
| 19:15.22 | TAsn | omry, btw, there are the EU distributors that also ship here, but there are some customs issues, read in doron's blog, ofek.biz |
| 19:15.25 | SpeedEvil | polz: souds like gllin's confused. Try killing and restarting. |
| 19:15.27 | omry | TAsn, approved by our beloved government? |
| 19:15.45 | TAsn | omry, yeah. |
| 19:15.53 | polz | it's only spitting out GPGSA and GPGSV lines |
| 19:16.01 | TAsn | all the tests have been made, there's just the fee left. |
| 19:16.04 | SpeedEvil | polac: odd |
| 19:16.18 | TAsn | he is trying to make it happen |
| 19:16.18 | omry | TAsn, they were very quick to approve iPhone 2. make them look good. |
| 19:17.07 | polz | SpeedEvil: no change. |
| 19:17.14 | TAsn | omry, iphone has an official distributor here with labs and all the common bureaucratic crap :) |
| 19:17.24 | omry | TAsn, yeah |
| 19:17.30 | TAsn | omry, anyhow it will cost here about 700$ |
| 19:17.45 | TAsn | omry, will cost to him* |
| 19:17.46 | omry | wow. |
| 19:17.50 | SpeedEvil | polz: have you gone back inside? |
| 19:18.00 | TAsn | omry, i do not know how much he will charge for it though. |
| 19:18.05 | SpeedEvil | polz: if signal drops below a certain level, it will stop reporting positions. |
| 19:18.07 | omry | why so expensive? |
| 19:18.18 | TAsn | omry, taxes. |
| 19:18.22 | polz | OK, there was a gpgga line with obviously wrong values |
| 19:18.36 | polz | SpeedEvil: I'm outside and it's reporting 11 visible satellites |
| 19:18.46 | omry | TAsn, what about smugling one? :) |
| 19:18.59 | polz | could someone try reproducing this ? |
| 19:19.26 | TAsn | omry, shh, though that's the right thing to do. |
| 19:19.28 | SpeedEvil | polz: :/ |
| 19:19.45 | wurp2 | polz: I'm at work |
| 19:19.48 | omry | TAsn, well, any plans to do it? |
| 19:20.01 | polz | how can I check if the GPS is on or off ? |
| 19:20.04 | omry | don't shh me. you really thing the government lurks in the intertubes? |
| 19:20.15 | wurp2 | polz: If you're getting timestamp lines, it's on |
| 19:20.21 | TAsn | omry, i don't think, i know. |
| 19:20.26 | wurp2 | I think if you're getting any output from nmea at all, it's on |
| 19:20.29 | TAsn | anyhow, not sure, i will c. |
| 19:20.44 | TAsn | im a uk citizen as well, so i will see what i can do ;) |
| 19:20.56 | omry | TAsn, what will the price be for uk citizens? |
| 19:21.00 | omry | :) |
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| 19:21.15 | polz | wurp2: I mean, is there a file in /sys or /proc where I can check whether it's off |
| 19:21.33 | wurp2 | There is, but I dunno the name offhand |
| 19:21.43 | polz | wurp2: I'm suspecting it might have stayed on during the suspend |
| 19:21.43 | wurp2 | find /sys -name *gps*, then snoop around :-/ |
| 19:22.18 | wurp2 | There should be a directory of that name and a "file" with power in the name underneath it |
| 19:22.21 | wurp2 | deja vu |
| 19:22.42 | polz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.54 | TAsn | omry, 272gbp including shipment in the uk. |
| 19:23.14 | TAsn | that's truebox's price |
| 19:23.24 | TAsn | not sure if there are any others. |
| 19:23.30 | `pwgen` | ahh mickeyl is awake |
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| 19:24.23 | omry | TAsn, so that's like 2200 nis or something. not bad. |
| 19:24.59 | TAsn | what? no, it's a lot less. |
| 19:25.33 | TAsn | 1 760.50463 |
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| 19:25.40 | TAsn | according to google |
| 19:26.11 | omry | TAsn, last I checked, gbp was around 8nis. |
| 19:26.35 | polz | aaah, I seee |
| 19:26.50 | polz | neod doesn't power the gps back on |
| 19:26.56 | polz | schtupid |
| 19:27.18 | TAsn | omry, no according to google ;) |
| 19:27.44 | polz | hmm.. but even after power_on it doesn't seem to be working |
| 19:29.02 | mmontour | polz: The GTA01 GPS has several power switches. There's a "power_sequence" or something that will turn them all on/off in the proper order. |
| 19:29.06 | Hydrant | will android run on the freerunner ? |
| 19:29.14 | Hydrant | I read that android isn't really FOSS though |
| 19:29.34 | polz | mmontour: I'm trying to use that to power-cycle the GPS |
| 19:29.47 | omry | TAsn, right. 6.5 |
| 19:29.48 | omry | it seems. |
| 19:29.57 | polz | mmontour: unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be helping. |
| 19:30.14 | omry | TAsn, even better. so, think of your brother if you get one in the UK :) |
| 19:30.35 | TAsn | omry, :) |
| 19:30.35 | polz | mmontour: this might be a PEBKAC |
| 19:30.45 | TAsn | i have many brothers when i talk about the moko ;) |
| 19:30.57 | polz | mmontour: but I'd still feel better if someone else tried this |
| 19:31.04 | polz | has to leave now. |
| 19:31.21 | mmontour | polz: I'm at work and I don't have access to my phone. |
| 19:31.44 | TAsn | omry, im off, cya. |
| 19:32.59 | polz | mmontour: you don't carry a mobile to work ? How noble of you :P |
| 19:33.25 | `pwgen` | dont forget the name changes in sysfs when useing glin |
| 19:33.44 | mmontour | I carry a mobile, but not my Neo. The battery life and audio quality are too poor for me to use it as a real phone. |
| 19:34.10 | wurp2 | mmontour: Audio quality is too poor? |
| 19:34.14 | wurp2 | Oh, you mean the echo |
| 19:34.33 | wurp2 | If you turn down the volume about 10% it seems OK, but you have to do that every time a call starts :-( |
| 19:34.43 | mmontour | Mainly the echo. The buzz from the GSM RF is annoying, but tolerable. |
| 19:34.49 | wurp2 | mmontour: Actually, if all you want is phone functionality, fso should fix both of your problems |
| 19:34.57 | `pwgen` | store the setting in the right state file |
| 19:35.17 | mmontour | wurp2: I have old GSM firmware, and my battery lasts less than 24 hours even while suspended. |
| 19:35.28 | wurp2 | mmontour: Agh... send it to MShiloh |
| 19:36.11 | wurp2 | Or pester them mercilessly until they get someone in the EU set up to do the upgrade |
| 19:36.11 | mmontour | wurp2: I may do that eventually. It's a PITA because he's in a different country. |
| 19:36.26 | mjr | yes, the echo is crap and thus the volume should be turned down per default in the images |
| 19:36.26 | wurp2 | Yeah, I just figured if you're not using it anyway... |
| 19:36.27 | mmontour | EU would be worse - I'm in Canada. |
| 19:36.50 | wurp2 | mmontour: ah, then I would think the ship time to michael & back shouldn't be too bad |
| 19:37.01 | wurp2 | it took 2 weeks for me, but I had bad timing - he had a show to do |
| 19:37.47 | mmontour | It's not just the time - there's a certain amount of paperwork required for international shipments. |
| 19:37.49 | wurp2 | mjr: Hrm, I bet I could figure out the right volume level & distribute a .state file for it pretty easily, now that I think about it |
| 19:38.14 | wurp2 | Anyone know offhand which alsa control is adjusted by the volume bar on the old gtk dialer? |
| 19:39.46 | mmontour | mjr: turning down the volume will reduce the echo, but it will also make the regular audio path quieter. |
| 19:40.23 | wurp2 | True, but down about 10% seems to make the echo much better and the audio only very slightly harder to hear |
| 19:41.10 | mmontour | These adjustments really need to be done by someone with access to proper test equipment, not just "it sounds a bit better". Unfortunately I do not have such equipment. |
| 19:41.37 | TAsn | does anyone know how many phones have already been sold in the EU |
| 19:41.57 | TAsn | im just interested in stats, before i finally go ;) |
| 19:44.23 | Ainulindale | I know mine was the 100th something for bearstech |
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| 19:44.49 | Ainulindale | `pwgen`: you have a query by the way |
| 19:45.56 | methril|laptop | hi |
| 19:46.11 | Ainulindale | methril|laptop: still building :-) |
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| 19:49.57 | methril|laptop | i don't know i'm now at home |
| 19:50.05 | methril|laptop | building other things :) |
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| 19:50.50 | torpor | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.25 | TAsn | Ainulindale, i know truebox had at least 18 :) since when i entered there once it said qty left: 18 ;) |
| 19:58.57 | wurp2 | mmontour: RE: needing equipment to adjust the call volume: The perfect is the enemy of the good. |
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| 20:01.01 | wurp2 | Which is not to say that someone with equipment shouldn't do it, I'm just saying that a something better than what we have now would be nice in the interim. |
| 20:02.53 | Blalien | hey guys, would it be handy to have an extra li-ion battery? Or isn't this necessary |
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| 20:06.13 | mmontour | wurp2: that's true if everyone agrees on which one is better. But feel free to try it - I'd be glad to test your state file if you can come up with one that works better for you. |
| 20:07.17 | wurp2 | Blalien: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery#Notes_about_expected_battery_life |
| 20:07.31 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: I plagiarized your comment about battery life into the link above |
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| 20:08.22 | SpeedEvil | Rught |
| 20:08.24 | SpeedEvil | i |
| 20:08.45 | mmontour | wurp2: I have some patches for the kernel and for alsamixer that you may want to use. The kernel patch adds dB values to the mixer controls, and the alsamixer patch reduces screen clutter by hiding some of the less-interesting controls. |
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| 20:10.34 | wurp2 | mmontour: That sounds nice... where do we pick those up? |
| 20:10.54 | wurp2 | I just created http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_FAQ (no real content yet, just battery life) |
| 20:11.30 | Blalien | @wurp2 , Thanks I didn't read that part on the site. But it's good to know how long the battery will last |
| 20:14.10 | methril|laptop | <Ainulindale> how are you with the compilation? |
| 20:14.20 | Ainulindale | NOTE: Running task 1930 of 3836 |
| 20:14.21 | TAsn | wurp2, may god bless you :) |
| 20:14.25 | TAsn | a much needed page. |
| 20:14.28 | Ainulindale | But I'm trying `pwgen`'s image |
| 20:14.36 | mmontour | wurp2: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-June/003001.html |
| 20:14.51 | Ainulindale | And it 's looking nice |
| 20:15.32 | wurp2 | Blalien: I added it after you asked the question :-) |
| 20:16.14 | wurp2 | TAsn: Yeah, really I was more concerned about the 'frequently answered questions' |
| 20:16.20 | wurp2 | I'm tired of typing the answers |
| 20:16.26 | TAsn | wurp2, :) |
| 20:16.30 | wurp2 | Or watching the traffic as someone else does |
| 20:16.46 | TAsn | faq = frequent things you write in irc ;0 |
| 20:16.48 | wurp2 | mmontour: Thanks |
| 20:16.51 | TAsn | wurp2, hehe. |
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| 20:17.02 | Blalien | @wurp2 Hahaha ok ^^ thank you then. It will be very handy ;) |
| 20:17.03 | TAsn | btw, is there java for the moko yet? |
| 20:17.37 | wurp2 | TAsn: There's another one. Jalimo |
| 20:18.03 | TAsn | wurp2, good enough :) iirc java is going open source, right? |
| 20:18.17 | TAsn | that will be a good thing ;) |
| 20:18.23 | TAsn | well im off to sleep |
| 20:18.39 | wurp2 | g'night |
| 20:18.52 | Blalien | @TAsn Good night |
| 20:18.54 | wurp2 | That one is at least much less typing to answer |
| 20:19.14 | wurp2 | Ainulindale: Is it suspending & resuming for you? |
| 20:19.50 | Ainulindale | I'm trying right now |
| 20:20.11 | wurp2 | His image wouldn't consistently ring when I called it :-( |
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| 20:20.24 | Ainulindale | When you called it ? |
| 20:20.26 | Ainulindale | How did you call it ? |
| 20:20.43 | Ainulindale | How can it be possible there's so much information here and none on the wiki ? :-) |
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| 20:25.21 | ramaya | has anyone video experience with openmoko ? |
| 20:26.02 | hfsplus | Someone tell the openmoko store to open |
| 20:26.04 | hfsplus | so I can buy one |
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| 20:26.30 | hfsplus | I dont want to pay £500 for one from Europe :S |
| 20:26.48 | ramaya | why 500 ? |
| 20:26.54 | ramaya | it is cheaper |
| 20:27.00 | ecraven | trisoft.de sells them for 350 euro i believe |
| 20:27.21 | hfsplus | I dont see them on the distrubtor list on openmoko.com |
| 20:27.22 | ramaya | a german site sells them for 300 |
| 20:28.21 | hfsplus | thats still $480 CDN + shipping :S |
| 20:28.21 | ramaya | and the english site 272 pounds |
| 20:28.24 | hfsplus | hmm |
| 20:29.23 | ramaya | hfsplus: where are u from ? |
| 20:29.38 | hfsplus | ramaya: Canada |
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| 20:29.57 | ramaya | ok i thought u were from europe |
| 20:31.04 | hfsplus | Nope |
| 20:31.12 | hfsplus | thats why I'd prefer to buy it from North America |
| 20:31.23 | hfsplus | I'm going to get raped on import duties as is.... |
| 20:31.37 | hfsplus | I don't want to wind up paying $600+ in the end if I can avoid it |
| 20:32.11 | SpeedEvil | You need a us one anyway |
| 20:32.14 | ecraven | can't you just drive into the states, grab one, go back? |
| 20:32.14 | ramaya | do pu pay tax if u buy from europe ? |
| 20:32.22 | SpeedEvil | canadia uses 850MHz |
| 20:32.25 | Blalien | 350 euro is to much in my opinion. I orderd it at Pulster.de ~340 euro incl. pouch, headset and shipping cost. But still waiting for a reaction and the payment details |
| 20:32.33 | hfsplus | SpeedEvil: ahh there is a difference? |
| 20:32.40 | hfsplus | between the eur and us models? |
| 20:32.40 | SpeedEvil | hfsplus: yes |
| 20:32.53 | hfsplus | then I *must* wait for the openmoko store. |
| 20:32.55 | SpeedEvil | hfsplus: triband |
| 20:32.55 | hfsplus | ahwell |
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| 20:33.30 | hfsplus | SpeedEvil: my current phone is from Japan. I just kinda figured GSM was GSM without looking in to it. |
| 20:33.35 | hfsplus | is special like that :P |
| 20:34.00 | SpeedEvil | hfsplus: there are 4 global bands |
| 20:34.24 | hfsplus | ahhh |
| 20:34.26 | SpeedEvil | hfsplus: the eu uses one set of 3 , US the other |
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| 20:35.00 | hfsplus | Then I await the OpenMoko store with much anticipation |
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| 20:37.45 | Ainulindale | methril|laptop: build fails, can't find rsync-3.0.0 (404 on angstrom) |
| 20:42.20 | wurp2 | Ainulindale: Sorry, I was offline. I called my gta01 with the `pwgen` install right after I installed the image... |
| 20:42.44 | Ainulindale | Oh, ok |
| 20:42.58 | Ainulindale | The image isn't working for me, no networking, can't see why |
| 20:43.09 | Ainulindale | So I can't type a thing, or ssh to it |
| 20:43.14 | Ainulindale | So I'm a bit stuck |
| 20:43.17 | Ainulindale | (again) |
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| 20:43.39 | wurp2 | Ainulindale: Ouch... networking did work for me |
| 20:43.48 | wurp2 | I was wondering if he was updating that file over time |
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| 20:44.04 | wurp2 | Since he said he could suspend & resume on call, and had stable calling over the course of days |
| 20:44.10 | wurp2 | And it broke for me 5 min after installing :-( |
| 20:44.22 | Ainulindale | What is worrying me is the battery life |
| 20:44.38 | Ainulindale | `pwgen` was telling me the gsm cpu has a power consumption of 24mAh |
| 20:44.50 | Ainulindale | which looked really nasty to me |
| 20:45.26 | wurp2 | Ainulindale: Well, 3400 mAH / 24 mA > 120 H |
| 20:45.41 | Ainulindale | Errr I thought it was 1200mAH |
| 20:45.49 | wurp2 | sorry, sec |
| 20:45.55 | wurp2 | It's 1200 mAH |
| 20:46.04 | wurp2 | But > 3400 mWH |
| 20:46.07 | wurp2 | which is what matter |
| 20:46.07 | wurp2 | s |
| 20:46.19 | wurp2 | 'cause it's 3.5 volts or so |
| 20:46.35 | wurp2 | And I'm pretty sure the gsm power consumption he gave you was 24 mW |
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| 20:46.54 | wurp2 | and my calculation should have been 3400 mWH / 24 mW > 120 H |
| 20:47.21 | Ainulindale | Sounds more coherent |
| 20:47.23 | Vegar | and that is probably only during calls |
| 20:47.28 | Ainulindale | I was a bit worried |
| 20:47.41 | wurp2 | Actually that sounds like gsm standby power cons. to me |
| 20:47.46 | wurp2 | But it should still be no prob |
| 20:47.50 | Ainulindale | Vegar: Nope I think not, as the gsm cpu must be aware at all times, no ? |
| 20:48.01 | SpeedEvil | A useful way to calculate things is percentage of a battery a subsystem uses per hour. |
| 20:48.09 | Vegar | the gsm chipset has a power saving mode |
| 20:48.10 | wurp2 | I rounded my numbers down in my estimates, I think its > 3400 mWH |
| 20:48.10 | SpeedEvil | Ainulindale: there are two GSM CPUs. |
| 20:48.19 | Ainulindale | Ok, here it is |
| 20:48.21 | Ainulindale | I'm totally lost |
| 20:48.30 | SpeedEvil | Ainulindale: one that talks to the radio, one that talks to the serial port. |
| 20:48.37 | Ainulindale | Please give me little chunks to bite I'm new ! :-) |
| 20:48.57 | wurp2 | But I would only worry about the total GSM power cons. in standby |
| 20:49.11 | wurp2 | You don't care how it's constructed, at least for these purposes :-) |
| 20:49.43 | Ainulindale | What I was wondering was |
| 20:50.04 | Ainulindale | I suppose it's a goal to be able to have calls while in suspend, am I misguided ? |
| 20:50.11 | SpeedEvil | Ainulindale: yes |
| 20:50.17 | Ainulindale | Yes I'm misguided ? |
| 20:50.47 | mjr | Woot, I found a two-adapter combination for plugging a std. usb peripheral into a Neo. I almost thought I needed 4 :] |
| 20:51.16 | SpeedEvil | Ainulindale: yes it's a goal |
| 20:51.31 | wurp2 | Ainulindale: per the wiki, "GSM module deep sleep(alive and keep contact with base station) stage should take less than 8mA" |
| 20:51.34 | Ainulindale | SpeedEvil: You almost scared me :-p |
| 20:51.41 | wurp2 | 8mA @ 5 V = 40 mW |
| 20:51.42 | Blalien | mjr: you mean to use the USB Host function? |
| 20:51.46 | mjr | Blalien, yeah |
| 20:51.51 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: it won't be 5V |
| 20:51.53 | mjr | (using my existing adapters) |
| 20:52.00 | wurp2 | That's what I was just about to ask |
| 20:52.09 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: 3.3 is likely |
| 20:52.24 | wurp2 | Why the hell does the wiki insist on phrasing things in A, when W are so much more useful |
| 20:52.26 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: Actually - it runs off battery unregulated though switched |
| 20:52.40 | mjr | mind boggles that neither of my two usb adapter sets has exactly the right adapter |
| 20:53.18 | mjr | but at least using one from both results in the correct configuration |
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| 20:53.43 | Blalien | mjr: I orderd a USB-A female to USB-A female adapter to connect anything with the provided USB-A to USB-B mini cable |
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| 20:53.55 | wurp2 | Oh, good point - hence the lack of phone when battery is missing |
| 20:53.57 | wurp2 | Ah, so 8mA * 3.5 v =~ 28 mW |
| 20:54.23 | wurp2 | er, shoulda been 3.7 v, and 29.6 mW |
| 20:54.31 | Ainulindale | Hmmm weird |
| 20:54.40 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: coputing to decimals is probably ... |
| 20:54.44 | Ainulindale | bitbake fso-image gives a wonderful error about svn.openmoko.org certificate. |
| 20:54.53 | wurp2 | Battery is 1200 mA at the same voltage, so 1200 / 8 = 150 H |
| 20:55.06 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: call it 30mW, and you won'tbe that far wrong. Or .66% of battery/hour |
| 20:55.11 | Qwell | Ainulindale: something about invalid key usage? |
| 20:55.15 | Qwell | or, key usage violation |
| 20:55.25 | wurp2 | Which is odd since they say they expect 150 - 200 hours standby time in the same doc where they give the figures to show 150 hours should be max. |
| 20:55.44 | mjr | Blalien, yeah that'll do it. Actually I have one of those here, so yes, with that cable it's only one adapter. |
| 20:55.50 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: Yeah, that's why I just let the Vs cancel out between battery and gsm & just calculated by AH |
| 20:55.55 | Ainulindale | Qwell: nope, just no third party certification |
| 20:56.00 | Qwell | oh |
| 20:57.38 | Ainulindale | I svn'ed co manually in order to add an exception |
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| 20:58.57 | Ainulindale | I think I've never been so eager to build a program and yet never been so pissed at the length of the process... what a pain :-) |
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| 21:00.18 | te_acrid_ | anyone got FR working with WPA and hidden essid? |
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| 21:01.50 | nighthawk06 | I got imate ppc, are there any instructions on how to install the openmoko on it? |
| 21:03.45 | wurp2 | nighthawk06: You want to build openmoko? |
| 21:03.55 | wurp2 | nighthawk06: Or just communicate with your FR? |
| 21:04.03 | wurp2 | Or burn images on your FR? |
| 21:04.16 | nighthawk06 | what is FR? |
| 21:04.24 | mjr | Freerunner |
| 21:04.46 | nighthawk06 | that is the hardware,...? |
| 21:05.03 | nighthawk06 | I got imate pda, and would like to use openmoko on it |
| 21:05.15 | wurp2 | nighthawk06: But I don't know what that means! |
| 21:05.26 | wurp2 | nighthawk06: Do you mean you want to run the openmoko emulator on it? |
| 21:05.34 | mjr | nighthawk06, that is the hardware currently starting to be for sale |
| 21:05.36 | wurp2 | Oh, sorry |
| 21:05.38 | wurp2 | Now I see |
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| 21:05.41 | nighthawk06 | it is a brand of phone,... ( http://www.imate.com ) |
| 21:05.57 | wurp2 | I doubt OpenMOko has been ported to the imate |
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| 21:05.59 | nighthawk06 | pda to say exact |
| 21:06.10 | pepperjack | freerunner ready as a primary phone or still a toy? ill be getting one in any case i guess but ive heard some bad opinions form users |
| 21:06.15 | wurp2 | Yeah, once you added pda I understood |
| 21:06.29 | nighthawk06 | are there other linux distros that I can use to install on imate? if you might know? |
| 21:06.36 | wurp2 | The "imate ppc" comment at the beginning made me think it was a mac pc of some sort |
| 21:06.46 | wurp2 | nighthawk06: Sorry :-( |
| 21:06.52 | wurp2 | pepperjack: Toy for right now |
| 21:06.54 | mjr | pepperjack, that's a relative term, though if you feel the need to ask, then "no" :] |
| 21:07.11 | wurp2 | pepperjack: Although I have used my gta01 as primary phone for months, but I am fairly tolerant of issues |
| 21:07.21 | mjr | too (gta01 primary) |
| 21:09.18 | pepperjack | still want one i cant help it :) just the thought of wifi and sshing into my home machine |
| 21:09.36 | pepperjack | thanks |
| 21:11.35 | wurp2 | I've gotten a lot of enjoyment out of my gta01 |
| 21:17.38 | peepsalot | pepperjack, you don't need an openmoko phone to ssh. a phone with decent java support will do: http://www.xk72.com/midpssh/ |
| 21:18.04 | peepsalot | though, yeah my phone doesn' have wifi |
| 21:18.07 | wurp2 | peepsalot: Shh! |
| 21:18.18 | wurp2 | We almost have another sale |
| 21:18.30 | peepsalot | don't get me wrong, i'm definitely purchasing a freerunner |
| 21:19.03 | peepsalot | just because there's so much more I will be able to do with it, beyond ssh |
| 21:19.10 | wurp2 | Regular smartphones have a lot more capability than I was aware of |
| 21:19.37 | wurp2 | I was never willing to look into it because I wasn't gonna pay $300 (or lock myself into a multiyear contract) to get a phone that was intentionally broken |
| 21:19.53 | wurp2 | i.e. no full bluetooth access, no installing ringtones w/o paying provider, ec. |
| 21:19.58 | wurp2 | s/ec./etc./ |
| 21:20.30 | cozub | huh is that some king of bot, this apt? |
| 21:20.36 | wurp2 | There are only 2 things I do with my neo that I get a reaction from "normal" developers over |
| 21:20.39 | wurp2 | cozub: yeah |
| 21:20.49 | cozub | handling s///, that's cool :) |
| 21:20.49 | wurp2 | Use gps w/o paying a monthly fee |
| 21:21.11 | wurp2 | And when I whip out the iGo bt kbd and use it as a laptop |
| 21:21.19 | wurp2 | cozub: yeah :-) |
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| 21:25.15 | peepsalot | other phones charge monthly for gps? |
| 21:25.30 | peepsalot | that doesn't even make sense |
| 21:26.18 | wurp2 | peepsalot: They charge to let you dl map info |
| 21:26.49 | wurp2 | And since you have little control over what sw is on the phone, you can't install map software that uses openstreetmaps or whatever |
| 21:27.08 | wurp2 | I think charging to let you dl maps they maintain is reasonable |
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| 21:27.18 | wurp2 | But charging $10/month or more for that is crazy |
| 21:28.02 | wurp2 | But when you control the device and the service, you can charge $19/mo for map downloads or $0.20 for a 160 char max text message |
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| 21:41.01 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8bf07f4127bb 10/conf/frameworkd.conf: explain how to configure the IdleNotifier |
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| 21:55.19 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rbfb87b0b8706 10/ (framework/cli-framework setup.py tools/cli-framework): move cli-framework into tools directory |
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| 21:58.11 | *** topic/#openmoko by gmaxwell -> Some resellers have shipped Freerunners, but the OpenMoko store is not yet open; unless you have the password. Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates . | ASU means August Software Update and is coming soon. |
| 22:00.07 | edistar | raster: how do I delete a character with the illume keyboard? |
| 22:00.36 | zash | edistar: try some right to left swipe |
| 22:01.07 | edistar | zash: won't work, where should I try? |
| 22:01.18 | erko | hmm, anyone have any idea why some keys (like a,d,c,f) on the (apple) bluetooth keyboard don't work when I change to the 1st virtual terminal? |
| 22:01.19 | zash | on the onscreen keyboard |
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| 22:06.03 | erko | chvt 2 |
| 22:06.06 | erko | :) oops |
| 22:06.46 | mjr | nice news about the fso/gta01 on the community list |
| 22:07.26 | mjr | recovered multiple times from suspend, most of the time in suspend, after 21 hours a call received |
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| 22:07.46 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 22:08.20 | zash | illume keyboard == qtopia keyboard? |
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| 22:12.31 | edistar | zash: no |
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| 22:13.00 | zash | oh |
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| 22:28.46 | ConfidentiaL | what's with the "unless you have the password"? |
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| 22:29.52 | zash | admin password perhaps? |
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| 22:31.39 | wurp2 | ConfidentiaL: try again 7/7 |
| 22:31.48 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rfde228429e2f 10/framework/introspection.py: add introspection parser (taken from D-Feet) in preparation of FSO ticket #2 |
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| 22:36.26 | Dave | Good day, wurp :] |
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| 22:40.15 | methril__ | gmaxwell gives us some interesting thikns to think :) |
| 22:40.42 | methril__ | then, it's europe the first to sell the FreeRunners? |
| 22:40.44 | methril__ | :D |
| 22:41.35 | wurp2 | Dave: howdy |
| 22:42.08 | wurp2 | methril__: Yeah, several people in EU and UK already have FR |
| 22:42.11 | edistar | what's the ASU root pw? |
| 22:42.26 | wurp2 | edistar: Is it not blank? |
| 22:42.31 | methril__ | i know, and some of the resellers are out of stock |
| 22:42.35 | edistar | has one (germany) |
| 22:42.35 | linuxxr | yay its gonna be on thursday |
| 22:42.49 | wurp2 | linuxxr: Is it? Is there an update on the ML? |
| 22:43.06 | linuxxr | well friday |
| 22:43.07 | edistar | wurp2 an ssh via wifi with blank doesn't work |
| 22:43.24 | linuxxr | check yahoo news |
| 22:44.29 | wurp2 | edistar: Sorry, I can't help you then. :-( |
| 22:44.41 | wurp2 | edistar: You say ASU, so you flashed over the image that came on the FR? |
| 22:44.58 | edistar | yes |
| 22:45.20 | wurp2 | edistar: I know almost nothing about ASU |
| 22:45.57 | edistar | it works, though really slow compared to gta01 |
| 22:46.23 | linuxxr | http://cf.us.biz.yahoo.com/bw/080702/20080702005242.html?.v=1 |
| 22:46.55 | linuxxr | http://www.forbes.com/businesswire/feeds/businesswire/2008/07/02/businesswire20080702005242r1.html |
| 22:48.14 | linuxxr | http://www.engadgetmobile.com/tag/openmoko |
| 22:49.00 | wurp2 | Marc didn't tell us what FSO image he's running :-/ |
| 22:49.19 | edistar | marc? |
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| 22:49.39 | edistar | wifi is nice |
| 22:50.48 | edistar | though it doesn't have the best reach |
| 22:51.22 | Tig| | edistar: the last asu snapshot I flashed to did not have a root pw set |
| 22:51.56 | Tig| | that was from om.com |
| 22:52.24 | linuxxr | so whats the freerunner going to be shipped with qtopia -oponmoko image? |
| 22:52.35 | linuxxr | -openmoko |
| 22:52.42 | edistar | Tig|: how do I set one then? |
| 22:53.03 | Tig| | just use : pw |
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| 22:53.24 | edistar | Tig|: how do I get access to console? |
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| 22:53.42 | Tig| | linuxxr: freerunner is currently shipping with the 2007.2 gtk release image |
| 22:53.50 | wurp2 | edistar: The guy who reported on FSO image performance on the community list |
| 22:53.59 | edistar | ok |
| 22:54.01 | wurp2 | linuxxr: Plain OM image |
| 22:54.07 | Tig| | edistar: erm there should be a terminal application |
| 22:54.28 | wurp2 | Gotta run, have a good whatever it is wherever you are |
| 22:54.48 | edistar | Tig|: where? |
| 22:55.05 | Tig| | edistar: what image are you running? |
| 22:55.18 | edistar | asu, 30. june |
| 22:55.32 | Tig| | in that case is it not on the main grid? |
| 22:55.59 | Tig| | there was a terminal app there last time I looked |
| 22:56.00 | edistar | no |
| 22:56.22 | edistar | not here |
| 22:56.37 | Tig| | in that case I have no idea, not played about with it enough |
| 22:56.52 | edistar | and assassin only finds about 5 programs to install.. |
| 22:57.26 | Tig| | edistar: remember that it is a work in progress and is not ready for human consumption |
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| 23:09.45 | peepsalot | OpenMoko is for external use only! |
| 23:12.53 | Danker | Is there any package management in OpenMoko? |
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| 23:16.49 | mwester | opkg/ipkg |
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| 23:18.16 | linuxxr | proly like slackpkg |
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| 23:40.54 | Dave | Greetings friends. |
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