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| 00:06.32 | SpeedEvil | Is taking the front cover off a Freerunner identical to a neo1973? |
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| 00:09.53 | kelvie | is the touch screen scratch-proof on the Freerunner? |
| 00:10.19 | rwhitby | depends what you're scratching with ... |
| 00:10.24 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 00:10.34 | SpeedEvil | It's relatively soft plastic. |
| 00:10.37 | rwhitby | tissue doesn't scratch it, but diamond would. |
| 00:10.45 | SpeedEvil | You won't - usually - scratch it with a fingernail. |
| 00:11.02 | SpeedEvil | But if there happens to be any gritty dust on the screen, it will scratch. |
| 00:11.12 | rwhitby | it's scratch-proof-ness is somewhere between those extremes :-) |
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| 00:55.05 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03werner * r4504 10/developers/werner/greg/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 00:55.05 | CIA-26 | openmoko: - use unique() also when looking up identifiers from the command line |
| 00:55.05 | CIA-26 | openmoko: - added regression tests for split lines, values given by formulas |
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| 01:05.22 | kelvie | ah so it does scratch easily :/ |
| 01:05.51 | kelvie | mm so I should go find a screen protector of some sort |
| 01:06.07 | kelvie | I'd think it'd be like the ipod touch which is almost completely scratch resistant :O |
| 01:16.41 | SpeedEvil | It's not. |
| 01:18.14 | SpeedEvil | I need to get my protectors onto ebay... |
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| 01:33.04 | Dave | heh |
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| 01:51.57 | alphabeat | hey someone help me out with a link? i'm trying to search the mailing lists, which is painful, and i saw somebody posted a link to a website which keeps a record of the mailing list with a nice gui front and a nice search engine |
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| 01:52.51 | morricone | alphabeat, http://gmane.org/find.php?list=openmoko ? |
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| 01:53.14 | alphabeat | ah sweet thanks! |
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| 01:58.01 | alphabeat | ah couldn't find what i was after. what capabilities are there for rfid to be attached? anyone know of any rfid components that could be attached? is usb the simplest answer? |
| 01:59.14 | SpeedEvil | alexxy: none |
| 01:59.17 | SpeedEvil | alphabeat: none |
| 01:59.24 | SpeedEvil | alphabeat: yes - USB or bluetooth |
| 02:00.22 | russellb | hm, sucks that #openmoko-devel is locked. |
| 02:01.21 | russellb | so much for open development ... |
| 02:04.05 | raster | ? |
| 02:04.19 | raster | that's locked because internal company things are discussed there |
| 02:04.26 | alphabeat | oooh! |
| 02:04.28 | raster | u'd need an NDA to be privy to them |
| 02:04.30 | alphabeat | like what... |
| 02:04.44 | raster | eg we will talk about spec sheets and documents we have under NDA from suppliers |
| 02:04.51 | alphabeat | ah fair enough |
| 02:04.52 | raster | things we can't legally make public |
| 02:04.53 | russellb | ah ... figured it was a channel to talk about programming issues related to the device. |
| 02:05.00 | raster | if u have an nda - than its possible |
| 02:05.12 | raster | anything that can be discussed openly we can discuss here |
| 02:05.29 | raster | also u dont want to hear us asking "so .. where are we going for lunch?" |
| 02:05.34 | raster | its not really that interesting |
| 02:05.34 | raster | :) |
| 02:05.38 | russellb | nods |
| 02:05.40 | ewon | heh |
| 02:05.42 | jOERG_rw | raster: n8! |
| 02:05.48 | raster | jOERG_rw: j! |
| 02:05.53 | russellb | but it's nice being able to talk about code with a lower signal to noise ratio :) |
| 02:06.13 | raster | russellb: true, but maybe just talk more about code |
| 02:06.19 | raster | maybe tyhe noise will drop off? |
| 02:06.24 | russellb | probably. |
| 02:06.54 | russellb | I don't have a specific question at the moment, was just joining to lurk. |
| 02:07.03 | russellb | though I am working on some voip stuff ... |
| 02:07.19 | russellb | got my hands on a FR from a co-worker, so I'm going to help him get things finished up |
| 02:07.21 | SpeedEvil | russellb: we can always make the signal-noise ratio lower here. |
| 02:07.39 | SpeedEvil | talks about ships and shoes and sealing wax, cabbages and kings. |
| 02:07.46 | russellb | heh. |
| 02:08.01 | ewon | zing |
| 02:08.04 | raster | throws cabbages at SpeedEvil |
| 02:08.16 | russellb | interceps said cabbages |
| 02:08.20 | russellb | makes a salad |
| 02:08.32 | jOERG_rw | hates salad |
| 02:08.32 | raster | but will you eat the salad? |
| 02:08.39 | russellb | i will toss it. |
| 02:08.50 | raster | tosser@ |
| 02:08.52 | alphabeat | is this what we're having for lunch? |
| 02:08.55 | raster | :) |
| 02:08.56 | russellb | heh. |
| 02:09.25 | russellb | so now I'm contributing to noise, how nice and hypocritical of me! |
| 02:10.15 | jOERG_rw | :D |
| 02:11.10 | jOERG_rw | night again, going to bed "early" today ;-) |
| 02:11.21 | raster | jOERG_rw: noit! |
| 02:11.52 | alphabeat | how about that local sports team eh russell? disappointing loss on the weekend... |
| 02:11.52 | russellb | yes, the matchup between the teams with the score was quite interesting |
| 02:21.00 | juri_ | wakes up, still crabby. :P |
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| 02:29.01 | linuxxr | stopit:) |
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| 02:44.31 | goodwill | juri_: hey hey |
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| 02:50.05 | juri_ | hio. :) |
| 02:52.12 | MadTBone | Has anyone actually used a GTA02 with a US carrier (AT&T of T-Mobile)? |
| 02:53.37 | russellb | has used it with T-Mobile |
| 02:53.39 | russellb | with success |
| 02:53.55 | mwester | AT&T as well as T-Mobile |
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| 02:55.41 | mwester | The ASU image likes T-Mobile better than AT&T for me (registers more quickly and less cell site ping-pong, but that might be my location as well). |
| 02:56.16 | mwester | The FSO image is the same with both. |
| 02:56.52 | MadTBone | in what areas have you each used? |
| 02:58.10 | MadTBone | Sorry...I mean in which region / city? |
| 02:58.13 | juri_ | my GTA01 is fine in northwest arkansas (once it GETS associated, sometimes 8 or9 reboots).. but was a useless brick in dallas, TX. |
| 02:59.54 | juri_ | whats funnier is that that defect is software specific. the qtopia flash has no problem associating. |
| 03:00.16 | MadTBone | huh...that seems odd... |
| 03:00.25 | mwester | The GTA01 and GTA02 both use the exact same GSM, even the same firmware in the GSM -- so the experience of GTA01 users should be entirely the same. |
| 03:01.08 | MadTBone | juri_: once it was associated how was stability |
| 03:01.14 | mwester | And, indeed, I see the same "chatter" with AT&T on the GTA01 as I do on the GTA02, it's just that I don't have a usable ASU image for the GTA01 to test that. |
| 03:01.44 | juri_ | stability is fine in northwest arkansas. in dallas, it would de-associate while setting on a desk, and become useless. |
| 03:03.05 | MadTBone | juri_: : what about 800 vs 850 mhz .... do you think that might have been an issue in Dallas? |
| 03:03.19 | SpeedEvil | mwester-trip: modulo that GTA01 owners have significantly older firmware, and users cannot upgrade on their own. |
| 03:03.29 | juri_ | i have no idea, and didnt have a way to check. |
| 03:03.36 | SpeedEvil | s/have/may have/ |
| 03:03.38 | mwester | SpeedEvil: that is a fair point; |
| 03:04.27 | mwester | What carrier, juri_ ? |
| 03:04.48 | juri_ | mwester: atnt. |
| 03:05.32 | juri_ | i was in dallas on vacation and all hell broke loose back home. i ended up losing QUITE a bit more than the value of my phone over it. |
| 03:05.53 | mwester | Ok. They seem to be more circumspect about their towers and infrastructure; I managed to find the location and supported bands for the several T-mobile towers around me, but not a thing on AT&T. |
| 03:09.39 | MadTBone | well, unless you've modded your GTA01 for 850mhz, I'd assume that the 02 would *potentially* be better....depending on your area. |
| 03:10.01 | MadTBone | how much logging will the GSM module do? |
| 03:14.54 | MadTBone | also, has anyone run into problems with carriers not wanting to allow the device/IMEI on their network? |
| 03:17.01 | SpeedEvil | MadTBone: with GSM, that should not usually be a problem. |
| 03:17.25 | SpeedEvil | As to logging - as far as I'm aware there is no actual logging done by the modem. |
| 03:17.37 | SpeedEvil | You can poll it for information, and record that. |
| 03:18.16 | SpeedEvil | And there may be historical data available through undocumented commands. |
| 03:21.44 | MadTBone | SpeedEvil: that's basically what I meant....is it to get info about the connection from the modem....particularly regarding the reasons for association trouble...or is the NDA and closed nature of the module standing in the way? |
| 03:21.56 | MadTBone | ...is it easy... |
| 03:22.09 | wurp2 | juri_: That's wild... I live in Dallas (well, Dallas metroplex), and travel frequently to Northwest Arkansas |
| 03:22.51 | wurp2 | I also lose my network registration every several hours |
| 03:23.32 | wurp2 | I haven't noticed that it doesn't happen in NW AR, but I don't use my 01 much as a phone up there |
| 03:31.24 | juri_ | wurp2: what brings you to town? walmart, just like everyone else? :P |
| 03:31.45 | juri_ | all my 'dallas' testing was really at the adams mark, which is now a sheriton, or whatever. |
| 03:31.54 | juri_ | was down there for AKON! |
| 03:32.57 | wurp2 | My family lives around Fayetteville |
| 03:33.12 | wurp2 | I spent quite a bit of my childhood in that area |
| 03:33.37 | wurp2 | I am doing software contracting to Southwest Airlines right now, living in Arlington |
| 03:34.03 | wurp2 | I think the loss of network registration is something that comes & goes with the different releases |
| 03:34.30 | juri_ | i've never lost registration here in NWA. |
| 03:34.31 | wurp2 | For several weeks there it never happened, then it came back, somewhere around the 4/15 codebase |
| 03:34.50 | wurp2 | I rarely use my phone for other than gps & internet in NWA |
| 03:35.19 | wurp2 | And it often goes dead up there (battery), because I'm always travelling from place to place |
| 03:35.22 | juri_ | my phone plan charges me $5 a meg. i don't use internet as a result. :) |
| 03:35.40 | wurp2 | I bought the unlimited AT&T media plan |
| 03:35.59 | wurp2 | After the first time I used up $160 in accumulated GoPhone in 2 weeks :-) |
| 03:36.08 | wurp2 | ($10 a meg) |
| 03:36.08 | juri_ | wow. :) |
| 03:36.30 | juri_ | yea. gophone here too. they must have dropped the price, after gouging you. :) |
| 03:36.30 | wurp2 | I was never gonna use that money for talk time anyway... it really wasn't any loss |
| 03:36.57 | wurp2 | It's just a way for them to make it look expensive for me to drop my no-contract phone plan for another carrier :-) |
| 03:37.00 | SpeedEvil | I get charged $14/meg. But It's capped at $2/day :) |
| 03:37.02 | wurp2 | Are you in college? |
| 03:37.13 | juri_ | i've got a meg on mine, for 'emergency bandwidth'. |
| 03:37.27 | juri_ | nope. never could afford it. |
| 03:37.40 | juri_ | i'm from here. and my family wasn't quite poor enough. |
| 03:37.53 | juri_ | insert rant here. :) |
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| 03:38.02 | wurp2 | Ah, I just figured that's why someone with a gta01 would be in NWA |
| 03:38.30 | juri_ | no, i took the 'policy of truth' swearing in when i was young. i only write open source software. |
| 03:38.33 | wurp2 | Actually, I think almost anyone can get loans enough to cover it, and it will more than pay for itself in maybe 6-8 years if you go for Comp Sci... |
| 03:38.50 | juri_ | career suicide. :) |
| 03:39.01 | wurp2 | Well, don't do that |
| 03:39.07 | juri_ | no. :) |
| 03:39.20 | russellb | some people make a career out of open source :) |
| 03:39.23 | wurp2 | I mean, open source is great, and I wish I could make a good living writing only OSS, but I can't |
| 03:39.32 | juri_ | its a moral point. i only use free software, i only write free software. the world can move, cause i'm not gonna. :) |
| 03:39.39 | wurp2 | True, as russellb says you could go for a job w/ OM |
| 03:39.55 | russellb | lots of open source companies out there ... |
| 03:39.59 | juri_ | i sent an email a few days ago. :P |
| 03:40.14 | wurp2 | So... it would be immoral to make more money doing something you love for 40 hours, then contribute just as much OSS in your free time? |
| 03:40.17 | juri_ | once the openmoko was available, it became my responsibility to use one. |
| 03:40.26 | juri_ | yes, it would. |
| 03:40.38 | juri_ | i have strict moral codes. :) |
| 03:40.44 | wurp2 | I disagree, obviously |
| 03:41.01 | juri_ | as a result, i've been unemployed for 5 months now. :/ |
| 03:41.15 | juri_ | but, i've written a lot of documentation during that time, and learned a whole lot. |
| 03:41.38 | juri_ | right now i'm trying to make my way through a 900 page book on assembly. |
| 03:41.39 | wurp2 | NWA is not the best place to get good work... or at least it wasn't 14 years ago when I last tried |
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| 03:41.58 | juri_ | wurp2: i had success fighting the opensource only fight in walmart, for a while. |
| 03:42.11 | juri_ | pulled in $75K last year, doing only open source.. then the bottom fell out. |
| 03:42.40 | wurp2 | Very nice - I'm surprised you could do that, especially in AR |
| 03:42.41 | juri_ | theres only one open source company in the area.. and they want me to write closed source software. i have NO respect for them. |
| 03:43.36 | juri_ | wurp2: i ran a helpdesk installing linux based wireless routers in walmarts. and wrote my own tools to do the job. |
| 03:44.10 | wurp2 | sounds cool! |
| 03:44.20 | juri_ | it was. now, its over. :/ |
| 03:44.33 | wurp2 | I've had a project I've been wanting to do w/ wireless linux routers |
| 03:44.35 | juri_ | walmart changed policy reguarding contractors this year. and i won't work directly for them. |
| 03:44.53 | juri_ | i'm running a municipal wireless system in fayetteville, still. |
| 03:45.24 | juri_ | so, i'm done with the area. i'm trying to move to the pacific northwest. i'm tired of arkansas cooking me. :) |
| 03:45.41 | wurp2 | Hah! Try Dallas :-/ |
| 03:45.42 | goodwill | juri_: come to cali...we need more crazy people like you |
| 03:45.54 | juri_ | when ANB bank colapsed, they took $14K of my earnings with them. that hurt. |
| 03:45.59 | wurp2 | We are trying to move to Zurich |
| 03:46.05 | wurp2 | juri_: uh, wtf? |
| 03:46.12 | wurp2 | Aren't they FDIC insured? |
| 03:46.19 | goodwill | juri_: was not it FDIC insured? |
| 03:46.23 | wurp2 | Or is this a matter of them owing you paychecks? |
| 03:46.26 | juri_ | its a long story. :) |
| 03:46.41 | juri_ | yea, its owed paychecks, from one of their customers.. whos now going under. |
| 03:47.03 | juri_ | curses the name of bill underwood. |
| 03:47.09 | wurp2 | oh, yeah, then you're probably screwed |
| 03:47.10 | goodwill | yeah, I always make sure I get paid in 2 week increments, if they do not...I am out of there |
| 03:47.37 | wurp2 | The last rinky-dink place I contracted with had screwed one of my friends out of 3 months of earnings |
| 03:47.44 | juri_ | i didnt really care during the year. i was so busy tieing down the other %75K in earnings.. when that dried up, i tried to get these guys to level.. then the bank blew up. |
| 03:48.07 | wurp2 | So my contract with them dictated 2 week pay increments, with 2 business days after I submitted the invoice to have the money in my bank |
| 03:48.08 | juri_ | i went from four jobs at once, to unemployed within *two weeks*. |
| 03:48.30 | goodwill | juri_: telling ya...come to cali...business is good |
| 03:48.43 | goodwill | juri_: though its not all open source |
| 03:48.43 | juri_ | goodwill: its on my careerbuilder list. :P |
| 03:48.54 | juri_ | i'm an opensource only kinda person. :) |
| 03:49.23 | juri_ | i actually passed my phone interview with the FSF.. then someone volunteered to do the job i was applying for for free. pesky volunteers. :) |
| 03:49.48 | wurp2 | California seems just a *bit* expensive |
| 03:50.02 | goodwill | juri_: yeah, but I when I do contract...I convert people to open source, then use a bit of of the pay for donations to OSS |
| 03:50.14 | goodwill | not that I had a contract job recently |
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| 03:50.33 | juri_ | i'm happy to help with supporting infrastructure, while replacing it. |
| 03:50.36 | goodwill | it is expensive |
| 03:50.49 | juri_ | i'm not quite that picky. i converted a local financial services company that way. |
| 03:51.02 | goodwill | point in place my current place..half the dev is now on ubuntu |
| 03:51.11 | juri_ | as long as they're fine with converting, and don't fight too much. :) |
| 03:51.18 | goodwill | when I manage to convert the other half, I'll ask them to donate a bit |
| 03:52.18 | goodwill | and I knwo they will want support contracts for the servers |
| 03:52.23 | juri_ | i don't typically ask for donations. i just try to get more opensource engineers on hand. :) |
| 03:52.32 | goodwill | slow but stedy |
| 03:52.34 | goodwill | steady |
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| 03:53.41 | juri_ | i worked myself out of a job at the financial services company. opensourced their infrastructure, made changes and got them submitted to upstreams.. so they replaced me and two other techs with one real loser. :P |
| 03:53.56 | juri_ | he's doing so much damage, they deserve it. :) |
| 03:54.30 | juri_ | we went from a growth rate of 5% a month to .. well, they've lost about 1/5th the buisness in the last 5 months. :) |
| 03:54.41 | goodwill | I believe in karma...and last week I saw it happen |
| 03:55.07 | goodwill | one of my ex employees..the morons who were ruining the companies got tehir come upance |
| 03:56.17 | juri_ | thats always nice to see. :) |
| 03:56.54 | goodwill | you should like work for ubuntu or red hat or something |
| 03:57.09 | goodwill | ex employees=ex employers |
| 03:57.14 | juri_ | applied for redhat. they don't want me, don't ask why. |
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| 03:57.28 | juri_ | i'm not sure if i like ubuntu enough. :P |
| 03:57.46 | goodwill | well its you chance to help chnage them your way |
| 03:57.48 | juri_ | i'm a debian user. i don't have much respect for offshoots. they seem lazy. :) |
| 03:57.50 | russellb | open source zealots can actually be a pain at an open source company |
| 03:57.57 | russellb | when it comes down to it, the mission is to make money |
| 03:58.04 | russellb | and sometimes zealots have a hard time accepting that |
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| 03:58.20 | juri_ | hense, why my career is really helpdesk or sysadmin. |
| 03:58.26 | russellb | not to say that you would be that way, just speaking from experience a bit, heh |
| 03:58.33 | juri_ | being a developer helps a lot, and dosent get in the way of making money. |
| 03:58.45 | juri_ | i'm not claiming not to be that way. :P |
| 03:58.47 | russellb | nods |
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| 03:59.29 | mwester | is an equal-opportunity opportunist. |
| 03:59.43 | juri_ | i'm certainly a zealot. how i became that way.. well, its a long story. |
| 04:00.48 | juri_ | my moral stances are set nearly as high as RMSes. VERY career limiting. |
| 04:01.21 | goodwill | juri_: as long as you make your choices and know the consequences at least you are at peace with yourself |
| 04:01.29 | mwester | When you have a family, with three kids to put through college, pragmatism tends to override principles; but even so, I saw and heard RMS once, and he scared me off. He sounded EXACTLY like the religous zealots I swore to avoid. |
| 04:01.40 | juri_ | goodwill: well put. :) |
| 04:01.51 | mwester | So I doubt I'd follow his footsteps even if I had no responsibilities. |
| 04:02.03 | goodwill | mwester: a world needs zealots sometimes...lest we forget our ways |
| 04:02.31 | juri_ | i have no responsibilities. i've toned the zealotry down somewhat, compared to RMS. i'm more like RMS with some buisness sense. i hope anyways. :P |
| 04:02.40 | mwester | Maybe. As long as everyone realizes that in many ways they serve as an example of "what NOT to do" |
| 04:02.47 | juri_ | i'm betting i made more money than he did last year. and i didnt violate his principles to do it. |
| 04:02.54 | russellb | well, someone will always be the zealot. with the extremes, the extrems are just a bit less extreme. |
| 04:03.03 | russellb | s/with/without/ ... |
| 04:03.08 | mwester | RMS is the antipathy of business sense. |
| 04:03.27 | russellb | emacs has a money-tree mode |
| 04:03.34 | goodwill | the question is not whether someone is a zealot...the question is whether they are forcing their zealotry on others |
| 04:03.42 | mwester | good point. |
| 04:03.57 | mwester | But let's please, please not discuss licensing here. Again. |
| 04:04.01 | goodwill | hahahah |
| 04:04.06 | juri_ | agreed. :) |
| 04:04.12 | juri_ | laughs |
| 04:04.29 | russellb | omg BSD for life! GPL is proprietary! |
| 04:04.53 | russellb | runs |
| 04:05.02 | zash | lol |
| 04:05.03 | juri_ | and thank god for that. :) |
| 04:05.07 | juri_ | runs farther. :P |
| 04:05.41 | juri_ | so, just to completely change the subject.. any of you heard of my pet project, openmosix? :P |
| 04:06.10 | zash | we have now |
| 04:06.54 | juri_ | ok, thats enough fun. back to assembly programming. :) |
| 04:07.39 | goodwill | juri_: yes, we have now :-P |
| 04:19.11 | alphabeat | juri_: http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ ??? |
| 04:19.48 | goodwill | alphabeat: I am pretty sure that was it |
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| 04:23.42 | zash | port it to the freerunner, and call it openmokix or something! |
| 04:23.58 | zash | phoneclusters .. |
| 04:24.19 | zash | s/phone/mobile device / |
| 04:25.35 | SpeedEvil | Shared memory over GPRS! It's the future! |
| 04:25.44 | SpeedEvil | (at a rate of a nanosecond a week) |
| 04:27.22 | zash | not realy the same, but distributed earthquake-detection/-location/-warning systems could be interesting |
| 04:27.50 | goodwill | zash: how would that work? |
| 04:28.01 | zash | but i think that exists already, but could be suplemented by more nodes |
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| 04:28.45 | zash | goodwill: most people have phones. if those phones have accelerometers ( like the neo(s?) ) you could probably increase accuracy |
| 04:28.55 | zash | and such |
| 04:29.05 | goodwill | zash: I doubt those acceleramoters are good enough for this |
| 04:30.52 | zash | but, would it hurt with extra data? |
| 04:31.13 | goodwill | only if its accurate data |
| 04:31.20 | Vegar | how do you tell the difference between someone running with the phone in their pocket and an earthquake? |
| 04:31.59 | zash | Vegar: wisdom of crowds |
| 04:32.19 | zash | 1 node in a eq-like pattern = running or falling |
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| 04:32.43 | Vegar | and to get usable data, you need to strap the phone to the ground |
| 04:32.45 | zash | 100+ nodes in similar/same pattern and area would probably indicate eartquake |
| 04:32.51 | zash | or subway :D |
| 04:33.12 | raster | not sure u want openmosix for that |
| 04:33.21 | raster | openmosix is about making N computers seem as if they are one |
| 04:33.30 | raster | sharing memory and devices around |
| 04:33.44 | zash | raster: yea, thats why "06:27:21 < zash> not realy the same, but" |
| 04:33.45 | raster | all u want is some network protocols so share some specific pieces of information |
| 04:34.45 | goodwill | whenever I feel a bit down, I just go an play around with SCO's stock graphs |
| 04:35.09 | zash | i'm just saying things |
| 04:36.57 | juri_ | raster: thats actually a misnominer. |
| 04:37.04 | juri_ | common misunderstanding. |
| 04:37.31 | juri_ | openmosix makes all your computers look like one big computer.. to each node. we're not single-system-image. it just looks that way, from each node. |
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| 04:38.04 | zash | hm, "9P-hone" |
| 04:38.06 | juri_ | kerrighed is a good example of 'real' SSI. |
| 04:38.45 | juri_ | (yay! i'm starting to understand parts of entry.S!) |
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| 04:41.20 | juri_ | alphabeat: actually, i'm at linuxpmi.org. the 'real' openmosix project is dead, killed by its lead for *mumble mumble* reasons. |
| 04:44.00 | goodwill | juri_: that uses trac ;-P |
| 04:44.16 | juri_ | goodwill: as a wiki only. :) |
| 04:44.21 | goodwill | ag |
| 04:44.22 | goodwill | ah |
| 04:45.46 | raster | juri_: thats what i meant |
| 04:45.54 | raster | it looks like one big system |
| 04:45.57 | raster | from within the os |
| 04:46.02 | raster | i know its not 1 os image |
| 04:46.10 | raster | :) |
| 04:46.31 | juri_ | just making sure. linuxpmi(openmosix) is NOT SSI. :) |
| 04:46.51 | juri_ | you'd be amazed how many people get that wrong. |
| 04:46.57 | juri_ | i blame wikipedia. ;) |
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| 04:50.31 | zash | then, why don't you remove it from the 'examples of ssi clustering systems'-list at wp? ;) |
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| 04:50.59 | juri_ | i would concider that editing topics on my own project. |
| 04:51.07 | juri_ | which is bound to be bad. |
| 04:51.23 | raster | tho as such u'd be in trouble if qall the system images varied a lot |
| 04:51.27 | raster | all |
| 04:51.31 | juri_ | if i cannot educate someone else, and have them edit it, i'm not doing a good job educating, now am i? :) |
| 04:51.42 | raster | as the current host may not have the same tools/lib/resources |
| 04:51.44 | juri_ | actually, as long as the kernel is the same, no trouble at all. |
| 04:52.01 | juri_ | we redirect all filesystem access back to the origional node. |
| 04:52.03 | raster | last i checked al.l existing open files and sockets are procied back to the originating host |
| 04:52.26 | raster | but cant remember if ne open files or sockets also get transported via the originating host or get created locally |
| 04:52.39 | raster | all existing open fd's |
| 04:52.41 | raster | but new ones? |
| 04:52.47 | juri_ | of course they're transported home. |
| 04:52.52 | raster | and network too? |
| 04:52.55 | juri_ | yep. |
| 04:53.00 | raster | ok |
| 04:53.04 | raster | then u should be ok |
| 04:53.10 | raster | tyring to think of something that might break |
| 04:53.13 | juri_ | complete transparency is the idea. |
| 04:53.22 | raster | well cpu type would |
| 04:53.30 | juri_ | we intercept at the syscall level. and you can't do much damage there. |
| 04:53.35 | raster | eg a cluster with mixed 486 vs p4's |
| 04:53.37 | raster | :) |
| 04:53.45 | raster | trying to use mmx/sse on the 486 might bork |
| 04:53.51 | juri_ | oh certainly. we catch the cpu throwing an exception, and migrate back home in those cases. |
| 04:55.54 | raster | thats possible |
| 04:56.43 | raster | yukkie though |
| 04:57.12 | juri_ | unfortunately, we don't memorize those results. its on the TODO list, however. |
| 04:58.34 | doc|home | can I haz fone now? |
| 04:58.54 | doc|home | so, week of the 7th then, probably better seeing as my group sucks so much at actually giving me money |
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| 05:07.48 | alphabeat | doc: i hear ya. i'm a tenth of the way to how much i need to group buy |
| 05:08.04 | alphabeat | doc|home: wrong name |
| 05:08.13 | doc|home | :) |
| 05:08.24 | doc|home | I've gotten three, picking up another tomorro |
| 05:08.27 | doc|home | +w |
| 05:16.24 | goodwill | doc|home: where are you at? |
| 05:16.34 | doc|home | goodwill: here |
| 05:16.36 | doc|home | :) |
| 05:16.48 | doc|home | I'm in vancouver, canada |
| 05:16.51 | goodwill | hmm |
| 05:16.55 | goodwill | nowhere near me |
| 05:16.55 | doc|home | you? |
| 05:16.59 | goodwill | LA, Cali |
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| 05:49.20 | Ainulindale | Can anybody tell me if the bluetooth stack is currently useable enough to accept contact transfer from an other phone ? |
| 05:51.52 | CM | Ainulindale: Should be, it's regular bluez |
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| 05:53.19 | Ainulindale | Ok, so now I'm happy, I've got something to do :-) |
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| 05:54.39 | jadams__ | I have a neo1973, is the preferred image the same as for the freerunner in general? |
| 05:55.21 | jadams__ | I really just want to run debian on it as per scap.linuxtogo.com |
| 05:55.24 | jadams__ | err |
| 05:55.24 | jadams__ | org |
| 05:55.27 | mwester | The preferred image is probably the fso image; it is available for both. |
| 05:55.51 | mwester | The original gtk-based image is also pretty good, and works on both. |
| 05:56.03 | mwester | ASU doesn't really work on either, in fact. |
| 05:56.08 | Ainulindale | Huhu :-) |
| 05:56.19 | jadams__ | fso include illume? |
| 05:56.20 | mwester | But it isnt' even being officially built for the gta01 |
| 05:56.28 | mwester | No, fso is not illume |
| 05:56.36 | mwester | That's ASU |
| 05:56.41 | jadams__ | k |
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| 05:56.51 | goodwill | whats illume? |
| 05:57.03 | jadams__ | so...I'm screwed for having bought a developer's device? |
| 05:57.12 | mwester | http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ <--- good info on the various images. |
| 05:57.24 | juri_ | jadams: are you a developer? then no. :) |
| 05:57.38 | goodwill | jadams__: well the rec page says the current device is for developer stage |
| 05:57.59 | jadams__ | juri_: I'm a developer, indeed |
| 05:58.09 | goodwill | neo1973 was liek a hardcore dev device |
| 05:58.34 | jadams__ | our company is intending to build a bit of a productline around the phones...basically sell them to our customers that want in-field automation of any sort |
| 05:59.03 | Ainulindale | I'm not sure it's mature enough... |
| 05:59.10 | jadams__ | Ainulindale: we're waiting it out |
| 05:59.15 | jadams__ | it's definitely not mature enough yet |
| 05:59.25 | Ainulindale | jadams__: If you're able to develop on it, though, could be your solution |
| 05:59.26 | jadams__ | but I've been on board with the openmoko idea since the first time I heard about it |
| 05:59.34 | Ainulindale | But then it needs heavy tuning it seems :-) |
| 05:59.39 | holycow | jadams__: cool stuff |
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| 06:00.37 | Ainulindale | For my part I would like to do two things right now : be able to import contacts by bluetooth, and then build a client for Notes |
| 06:00.51 | Ainulindale | (because unfortunately my company uses notes) |
| 06:00.53 | mwester | Depending on what you need to have running, it's possible to build the ASU image for the gta01; just have low expectations from the qtopia app and other supporting stuff. The core OS beneath is the same for all of them, and the libraries for X and all pretty much work. |
| 06:01.33 | mwester | But I'd build to the FSO image; it may be less complete but it's the right framework. |
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| 06:01.46 | Ainulindale | mwester: It sounds quite subjective :-p |
| 06:01.51 | mwester | It is. |
| 06:01.59 | goodwill | mwester: fso is definately the way to go... |
| 06:02.06 | Ainulindale | I hesitated yesterday, downloading the makefile |
| 06:02.15 | Ainulindale | In the end I built OM2007.2 |
| 06:02.30 | mwester | That's a good start. |
| 06:02.33 | goodwill | what does freerunner ship with? |
| 06:02.36 | goodwill | 2007.2 |
| 06:02.47 | goodwill | ? |
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| 06:02.49 | Ainulindale | Yep, I prefer to start than fumble around with things I don't know |
| 06:02.55 | Ainulindale | +about |
| 06:03.26 | Ainulindale | But I must say it's not really clear... |
| 06:03.33 | mwester | Basically, FSO and 2007.2 will have a better chance of merging together than the Qtopia stuff from ASU. |
| 06:03.37 | Ainulindale | the "how to start" part is a bit hard :-) |
| 06:03.48 | Ainulindale | Choices all over the place, information is hard to find |
| 06:04.06 | mwester | Did you read Mickey's blog entry? |
| 06:04.11 | Ainulindale | Yep yesterday |
| 06:04.14 | goodwill | Ainulindale: what do you need to know, I got some bits and pieces together after a week of sufering |
| 06:04.17 | Ainulindale | Very helpful |
| 06:04.24 | Ainulindale | goodwill: A simple entry point |
| 06:04.30 | goodwill | for? |
| 06:04.44 | Ainulindale | I downloaded the makefile, make openmoko-devel-image, etc. |
| 06:04.51 | Ainulindale | Now, what would be the best way to start ? |
| 06:04.59 | Ainulindale | How can i build a sane and efficient environment ? |
| 06:05.11 | goodwill | ok |
| 06:05.15 | goodwill | what do you want to build? |
| 06:05.20 | goodwill | qemu? |
| 06:05.22 | Ainulindale | And do simple things such as step by step debug |
| 06:05.35 | Ainulindale | I'm currently re-making because somehow it didn't build the image |
| 06:05.38 | goodwill | or do you have an actual device? |
| 06:05.53 | Ainulindale | I will have one this week |
| 06:05.58 | Ainulindale | right now I'm there : |
| 06:05.59 | Ainulindale | NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 6124 tasks of which 6088 didn't need to be rerun and 0 failed. |
| 06:06.02 | Ainulindale | NOTE: build 200806300759: completed |
| 06:06.34 | Ainulindale | But I must have missed something because I can't seem to find the image |
| 06:07.01 | goodwill | it should be in tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973 |
| 06:07.27 | goodwill | there is a prebuild version here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2 |
| 06:07.45 | Ainulindale | Wow, a bit of a mess there. |
| 06:07.53 | Ainulindale | Seems it's there : build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/om-gta01/ |
| 06:08.02 | goodwill | ah |
| 06:08.05 | goodwill | yeah |
| 06:08.08 | goodwill | thats more specific |
| 06:08.10 | Ainulindale | (I just prefer to build it myself) |
| 06:08.10 | goodwill | that too |
| 06:08.16 | Ainulindale | (Gentoo addict, I'm sure you'll understand) |
| 06:08.18 | goodwill | you using mokomakefile? |
| 06:08.20 | Ainulindale | Yep |
| 06:08.24 | goodwill | ok |
| 06:08.34 | goodwill | what command did you run? |
| 06:08.45 | Ainulindale | 08:04:44 < Ainulindale> I downloaded the makefile, make openmoko-devel-image, etc. |
| 06:09.09 | goodwill | ok, that built the latest devel branch, not 2007.2 |
| 06:09.16 | goodwill | that can be totally unstable |
| 06:09.18 | Ainulindale | Yep I know that |
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| 06:09.39 | Ainulindale | I'm fine with unstable right now, it's just in a "testing" kind of way for me |
| 06:09.50 | Ainulindale | As I intend to use it to try some things |
| 06:10.01 | goodwill | ok, now try: make falsh-qemu-local |
| 06:10.04 | goodwill | ok, now try: make flash-qemu-local |
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| 06:10.16 | Ainulindale | I wasn't sure it was the right command |
| 06:10.21 | Ainulindale | That's why I didn't use it :-) |
| 06:10.33 | goodwill | that should flash the build image onto qemu |
| 06:10.38 | Ainulindale | Yep but nope :-) |
| 06:10.43 | Ainulindale | /home/ainu/moko/build/qemu/uImage-2.6.*-om-gta01.bin |
| 06:10.48 | Ainulindale | No such file or directory :-) |
| 06:11.03 | Ainulindale | Should a ls do the trick ? |
| 06:11.06 | Ainulindale | s/ls/ln/ |
| 06:11.16 | goodwill | what do you have in /home/ainu/moko/build/qemu |
| 06:11.23 | goodwill | hmmm |
| 06:11.25 | goodwill | actuall |
| 06:11.27 | goodwill | do |
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| 06:11.31 | goodwill | make qemu-local |
| 06:11.37 | goodwill | that should build qemu |
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| 06:11.46 | Ainulindale | Ok, will do. |
| 06:12.11 | Ainulindale | Kind of not self explicit in the documentation :-) |
| 06:12.23 | Ainulindale | I think a kind of "do it yourself" part is missing |
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| 06:16.15 | goodwill | Ainulindale: I agree |
| 06:16.24 | goodwill | Ainulindale: it took a few days to get it all down |
| 06:16.52 | Ainulindale | But it's bound to be like that anyway |
| 06:17.02 | Ainulindale | So long as it's in a "intimate" phase |
| 06:17.08 | goodwill | at some point the process will get solidified |
| 06:17.14 | goodwill | I think with fso it will get easier |
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| 06:17.21 | Ainulindale | I hope so :-) |
| 06:17.45 | Ainulindale | goodwill: But for the main developer who would like to start but isn't that keen on CLI, it's painful |
| 06:18.24 | Ainulindale | goodwill: I'm a gentoo-brainwashed-monkey, so I don't care, but I know people who would be quite indisposed by that kind of process |
| 06:18.31 | goodwill | mainly because at this point we suffered a bit with the rest |
| 06:18.36 | Ainulindale | Yep :-) |
| 06:18.49 | goodwill | main developer |
| 06:18.49 | Ainulindale | Same error |
| 06:19.02 | Ainulindale | /home/ainu/moko/build/qemu/uImage-2.6.*-om-gta01.bin: <= no such file etc |
| 06:19.04 | goodwill | Ainulindale: I am also a gentoo brainwashed monkey |
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| 06:19.20 | Ainulindale | I guess it's because /tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973 <= no such file |
| 06:19.38 | goodwill | its not /tmp |
| 06:19.49 | Ainulindale | I omitted the .. |
| 06:19.56 | goodwill | ok |
| 06:19.59 | Ainulindale | But then seems like a path issue I saw something on the wiki about that |
| 06:20.06 | goodwill | what do you have in tmp/deploy/glibc |
| 06:20.41 | Ainulindale | ainu@calaquendi ~/moko $ ls build/tmp/deploy/glibc/ |
| 06:20.41 | Ainulindale | images ipk |
| 06:21.17 | Ainulindale | And in images, om-gta01 x86_64 |
| 06:21.18 | goodwill | go in images |
| 06:21.18 | goodwill | ls |
| 06:21.25 | Ainulindale | (got you) |
| 06:21.40 | Ainulindale | I'm lazy I think I will ln -s |
| 06:22.31 | goodwill | ok |
| 06:23.00 | goodwill | you can ln -s to <location of make file>/images |
| 06:23.14 | Ainulindale | Hmmm what is weird |
| 06:23.16 | Ainulindale | MACHINE = "om-gta01" |
| 06:23.19 | goodwill | move the openmoko folder there out of the way |
| 06:23.27 | Ainulindale | So I guess it's a makefile issue |
| 06:23.31 | kvk | i have rebuild my moko environment, when i tried a sample package it is giving error like " (/bin/sh: bitbake: not found). can anyone help me in resolving this error?? |
| 06:23.34 | Ainulindale | The path must be hardwired |
| 06:23.47 | goodwill | kvk: install bitbake |
| 06:23.48 | goodwill | ? |
| 06:24.31 | kvk | goodwill: yes, it is there |
| 06:24.32 | goodwill | Ainulindale: ratherfrankly I do not remember hwo I did it |
| 06:24.37 | goodwill | Ainulindale: I followed the wiki |
| 06:24.42 | goodwill | Ainulindale: I am trying to remember now |
| 06:25.52 | Ainulindale | Don't worry I'm not in a hurry, I'm at work and I should configure vnc in order to view qemu (not able to tunnel X) |
| 06:29.18 | goodwill | I followed the instruction here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
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| 06:30.19 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9e260b12105f 10/packages/efl1/edbus_cvs.bb: don't need efreet or ewl for edbus build. |
| 06:31.20 | goodwill | anyone used 2007.2 on neo1973? |
| 06:31.23 | goodwill | how is it |
| 06:31.34 | Ainulindale | goodwill: I followed the same instructions |
| 06:32.20 | goodwill | Ainulindale: honestly I'd have to redo it to remember |
| 06:33.01 | goodwill | Ainulindale: which I am planning to do...sometime this week, and write it down |
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| 06:33.10 | Ainulindale | Well qemu-local ended, but the command it suggests me to do is kind of ... unavailable :-) |
| 06:33.19 | Ainulindale | i.e. arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm -M gta01 -m 130 -mtdblock openmoko/openmoko-flash.image -kernel openmoko/openmoko-kernel.bin -usb -show-cursor |
| 06:33.41 | Ainulindale | just doing a find right now |
| 06:34.42 | goodwill | make qemu should have do it |
| 06:34.47 | goodwill | built it that is |
| 06:35.16 | Ainulindale | Yep that's what I thought |
| 06:35.26 | goodwill | weird |
| 06:35.41 | Ainulindale | You tell me :-) |
| 06:35.48 | goodwill | Ainulindale: I am really looking forward to fso |
| 06:35.58 | goodwill | going to try to build it next week too |
| 06:36.14 | Ainulindale | Ah ! |
| 06:36.15 | Ainulindale | ./build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/qemu-system-arm |
| 06:36.27 | Ainulindale | and |
| 06:36.28 | Ainulindale | ./build/qemu/arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm |
| 06:36.31 | goodwill | I do nto have x86_64 |
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| 06:36.37 | goodwill | maybe something is different |
| 06:37.07 | Ainulindale | It runs |
| 06:37.10 | Ainulindale | I don't have any display but it runs |
| 06:37.16 | Ainulindale | Now, vnc :-) |
| 06:37.21 | goodwill | Ainulindale: on gentoo you have to mod moko Makfile to look for mkdosfs in /usr/sbin |
| 06:37.34 | goodwill | or do a symlink in /sbin to it |
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| 06:37.45 | goodwill | make run-qemu-vnc |
| 06:38.15 | Ainulindale | Is that a joke ? |
| 06:39.22 | goodwill | no |
| 06:39.57 | Ainulindale | Do you mean it exists ? =) |
| 06:40.16 | goodwill | yup |
| 06:40.24 | goodwill | look in the Makefile |
| 06:40.24 | Ainulindale | Coffee break, later |
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| 06:43.09 | flexd | drools at a FR |
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| 06:44.13 | goodwill | flexd: you got one? |
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| 06:44.57 | flexd | No. |
| 06:45.00 | flexd | Its not out yet is it |
| 06:45.35 | goodwill | yes it is |
| 06:45.41 | goodwill | if you are in like europe or asia |
| 06:45.49 | flexd | Oh... |
| 06:45.57 | goodwill | its coming to the rest of us soon |
| 06:46.06 | flexd | *cough* is looking at a DHL tracking page *cough* |
| 06:46.38 | flexd | i'm* |
| 06:46.39 | flexd | :) |
| 06:46.45 | goodwill | why you lil!!! |
| 06:46.46 | goodwill | ;) |
| 06:47.32 | flexd | hehe |
| 06:47.48 | flexd | It's sort of in the mail, in my country already \o/ |
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| 06:48.08 | goodwill | *mutters* |
| 06:48.09 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03zecke * r38cbd87d4c43 10/etc/themes/finxi/dialer.xml: [dialer] Do not set a background/colormap to get a better startup experience |
| 06:48.09 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03zecke * r5a837bef676c 10/src/libraries/qtopia/qtopiaapplication.cpp: Revert "Revert "The ContextLabel was not updated for the "missed call" messagebox on qpe launch."" |
| 06:48.10 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03zecke * r96a78f479699 10/src/libraries/qtopia/qsoftmenubar.cpp: [x11] Do not move the popup for X11 |
| 06:48.11 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03zecke * r865944a51dec 10/src/server/phone/contextlabel/base/ (contextlabel.cpp contextlabel.h): [x11] Make sure we always release the key |
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| 06:57.07 | Ainulindale | flexd: which country do you live in, out of sheer curiosity ? |
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| 06:59.15 | hardcock | how do you change an ip address |
| 06:59.23 | flexd | Norway |
| 06:59.32 | goodwill | hardcock: a bit of context would help |
| 06:59.47 | goodwill | though I suspect you are a troll |
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| 06:59.59 | hardcock | on a windows xp without turning it off |
| 07:00.08 | flexd | Right click your network connection |
| 07:00.17 | flexd | e.g "Local Area ConnectioN" |
| 07:00.29 | hardcock | i use wireless |
| 07:00.42 | flexd | Goto Properties |
| 07:01.20 | flexd | Select TCP/IP in the little window that pops up (its usually at the bottom), press "Configure" or something like that (im on vista atm, cant show), and type in a ipaddress manually in the box that comes up |
| 07:01.45 | flexd | hardcock: same thing, just select the wireless connection istead |
| 07:01.49 | flexd | instead* |
| 07:02.39 | flexd | Actually |
| 07:02.40 | flexd | Read this |
| 07:02.41 | flexd | http://www.murdoch.edu.au/itservicedesk/docs/Changing%20IP%20Address%20in%20XP%20with%20screenshots.pdf |
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| 07:02.55 | goodwill | has anyone used tangoGPS here? |
| 07:02.58 | flexd | It has screenshots and everything, only the #2 result n google, hard to find :) |
| 07:03.02 | flexd | a real gem! |
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| 07:04.01 | goodwill | flexd: I am pretty sure he is a troll |
| 07:04.16 | goodwill | there is not reason for someone with that nick to join openmoko and ask that |
| 07:04.21 | flexd | that might be, but now he knows |
| 07:04.30 | flexd | I work tech support, im used to people like this. |
| 07:04.49 | goodwill | http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/Screenshots |
| 07:04.56 | flexd | My job mainly is walking into rooms and turning on either computers or projectors people claim do not work. -_- |
| 07:05.21 | goodwill | that sucks |
| 07:05.25 | flexd | mhm |
| 07:05.26 | goodwill | been there, done that |
| 07:05.27 | flexd | Im done now though |
| 07:05.50 | flexd | Ive been a trainee for 2 years, just passed my exam (IT administration certificate thing) with max scores :) |
| 07:06.01 | Ainulindale | Oh a pair of boots |
| 07:06.08 | flexd | So im on vacation until 4th august, and on the 7th im done in that job forever. |
| 07:06.12 | flexd | \o/ |
| 07:06.21 | goodwill | my favorite story is how a person claimed the start key was not working...cause she typed in start on the desktop |
| 07:06.37 | goodwill | Ainulindale: congrats |
| 07:06.42 | Ainulindale | goodwill: do you happen to know if there's some kind of easy solution to emulate bluetooth traffic to qemu ? |
| 07:06.46 | flexd | goodwill: haha |
| 07:07.02 | goodwill | nope...never got to that |
| 07:07.28 | Ainulindale | I'm amazed by the technology though |
| 07:07.47 | Ainulindale | I'm viewing qemu through vnc and my router, on a VPN with another computer, all encrypted twice |
| 07:07.48 | flexd | I had someone walk into my office soooo stressed out |
| 07:07.52 | Ainulindale | Kind of useless, isn't it ? |
| 07:07.56 | flexd | and i hate this woman, she stinks like a hobo |
| 07:08.04 | flexd | and shes shouting at us for something not working |
| 07:08.09 | flexd | and blaming us, and being generally pissy |
| 07:08.10 | goodwill | Ainulindale: I do know how to set up an ip...and install packages |
| 07:08.29 | flexd | and i actually just tell her to shut up, and let us help her fix what she did |
| 07:08.33 | Ainulindale | Hmmm I lost the display it seems |
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| 07:08.38 | flexd | (i used those exact words, cause she was being mean) |
| 07:08.40 | Ainulindale | Oh no it was in background |
| 07:08.43 | flexd | so we go up there |
| 07:08.49 | Ainulindale | neo_gsm_switch: GSM enabled. |
| 07:08.49 | Ainulindale | neo_modem_switch: Modem powered up. |
| 07:08.49 | Ainulindale | neo_modem_rst_switch: Modem reset. |
| 07:08.50 | flexd | and i turn the projector on. |
| 07:09.17 | flexd | Then i take out the cable, a VGA cable, shes jammed into the COM port |
| 07:09.27 | flexd | no idea how, it doesnt fit. |
| 07:09.35 | flexd | We had to get her a new cable, then it worked :/ |
| 07:09.51 | goodwill | hahaha |
| 07:10.06 | Ainulindale | Doesn't seem to get past what I pasted |
| 07:10.12 | Ainulindale | Oh, I didn't say that |
| 07:10.28 | Ainulindale | I'm supposed to wait pleasingly :-p |
| 07:10.37 | Ainulindale | And apparenty we're in july |
| 07:10.46 | flexd | We are tomorrow |
| 07:10.48 | flexd | Not that bad ;) |
| 07:10.49 | Ainulindale | And it's 07:10 |
| 07:10.54 | Ainulindale | flexd: 30th of july |
| 07:10.59 | flexd | oh |
| 07:11.03 | flexd | One month wrong still not bad |
| 07:11.06 | flexd | and its probably GMT? |
| 07:11.10 | flexd | that'd be around 07 |
| 07:12.56 | Ainulindale | So, I added a contact |
| 07:13.03 | Ainulindale | Now i would like to be able to emulate bluetooth traffic |
| 07:13.05 | goodwill | Ainulindale: wooohooo |
| 07:13.06 | Ainulindale | Let's get dirty boys |
| 07:13.29 | goodwill | Ainulindale: I suggest you set up an internet connection |
| 07:13.59 | Ainulindale | Yep, could be useful |
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| 07:14.14 | goodwill | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QEMU#Simple_network_connection_with_pppd |
| 07:15.57 | goodwill | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 07:16.21 | goodwill | do not forget to /etc/init.d/iptables save |
| 07:16.30 | goodwill | cause that actually not part of that tutorial |
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| 07:19.09 | goodwill | flexd: yeah I am really not sure how can somebody can jam vga into serial..it has a whole new row of pins |
| 07:19.41 | flexd | yea |
| 07:19.49 | goodwill | stupid people should be licensed to use computers or somethig |
| 07:19.51 | flexd | The pins and everything were just broken off |
| 07:20.03 | flexd | she must have put her whole weight into it, i dont know |
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| 07:20.32 | flexd | argh |
| 07:20.36 | flexd | Now im getting spam from the mailing list again |
| 07:20.45 | goodwill | spam? |
| 07:20.58 | goodwill | is it promossing to make you moko bigger ;) |
| 07:21.03 | flexd | some spam company sent me mail directly to my email, with "me" named as "Logs.nslu2-linux.org" |
| 07:21.15 | flexd | which is a OM host |
| 07:21.29 | flexd | Obviously they have gotten my email from somewhere related to OM |
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| 07:21.52 | Ainulindale | goodwill: now, how to launch a terminal... :-p |
| 07:22.09 | Zoup | do you actually have an keyboard interface on for example terminal or you have to use normal 'telephone like keypad' ? |
| 07:22.41 | goodwill | press the + down below |
| 07:22.49 | goodwill | switch to Applications inthe dropdown |
| 07:22.56 | goodwill | and scroll for terminal |
| 07:22.57 | Ainulindale | Yep i was there |
| 07:23.07 | Ainulindale | It took me 2 minutes to understand how to scroll :-p |
| 07:23.08 | goodwill | its a pain to type in it though |
| 07:23.16 | goodwill | scroll is exactly backwards |
| 07:23.23 | goodwill | and you have to hold it |
| 07:23.26 | Ainulindale | Yep as in touch scroll |
| 07:23.29 | goodwill | yup |
| 07:23.34 | Ainulindale | I was trying to scroll with the sidebar |
| 07:23.55 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:25.00 | goodwill | Ainulindale: i REALLY recommend ssh |
| 07:25.13 | goodwill | Ainulindale: its a real pain to type in the terminal bnow |
| 07:25.29 | Zoup | goodwill: goodwill , can you please do me a favor ? |
| 07:25.32 | goodwill | Zoup: it used to be a touch keyboard...not sure what happened to it |
| 07:25.34 | Ainulindale | I'll set up ssh as soon as it will have an IP |
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| 07:25.41 | Zoup | goodwill: thanks :( |
| 07:25.49 | goodwill | Zoup: yes? |
| 07:25.50 | Ainulindale | goodwill: though I can type in with my keyboard |
| 07:25.51 | Zoup | goodwill: you mean , it might be gone ? |
| 07:25.55 | Ainulindale | not using the touch one |
| 07:26.08 | Zoup | what keyboard ? |
| 07:26.24 | Zoup | guys , i just hate to use 'telephone like keypad' to ssh somewhere , is there any other way ? |
| 07:26.30 | goodwill | Ainulindale: right, but you'll find that it behaves like the numeric one for some letters, you have to use the right key to move to the next letter |
| 07:26.52 | goodwill | Zoup: we are in qemu latest devel image, which is unstable |
| 07:26.58 | goodwill | Zoup: what are you doing? |
| 07:27.07 | goodwill | 2007.2 image has a keyboard |
| 07:27.19 | Zoup | 2007.2 is unstable ? |
| 07:27.30 | goodwill | 22007.2 is what neo1973 shipped with I believe |
| 07:27.53 | goodwill | s/22007.2/2007.2 |
| 07:27.55 | Ainulindale | goodwill: and the default editor is ? |
| 07:28.03 | goodwill | Ainulindale: vi |
| 07:28.13 | Ainulindale | vanishes |
| 07:28.23 | goodwill | Ainulindale: which I find annoying cause I had to learn it a bit |
| 07:28.29 | goodwill | its not hard |
| 07:28.31 | Zoup | goodwill: ohum , so there was an interface keyboard in old days which is now available now , am i right ? |
| 07:28.32 | goodwill | I am just an emacs man |
| 07:28.49 | Ainulindale | So do I |
| 07:28.56 | Zoup | So do I :) |
| 07:28.56 | goodwill | Zoup: there was one, I am sure it will be back...its just not in the dev image right now |
| 07:28.57 | Ainulindale | I can't seem to find how to type a / ! |
| 07:29.10 | goodwill | press the same key again |
| 07:29.14 | goodwill | its the numeric pad |
| 07:29.22 | Zoup | guys where i can find detailed documents on OS ? |
| 07:29.38 | goodwill | Zoup: there is the wiki, but its rather incomplete |
| 07:29.41 | Ainulindale | Can't find it :-/ |
| 07:29.48 | goodwill | Zoup: OM is still developers world |
| 07:30.03 | Zoup | goodwill: i like it! |
| 07:30.19 | goodwill | Zoup: I am not an OM dev, just a n00b with a weeks experience |
| 07:30.27 | Ainulindale | Yeah ! found it |
| 07:30.28 | goodwill | Ainulindale: try using the up and down keys |
| 07:30.47 | goodwill | s/weeks/week worth of |
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| 07:31.00 | Ainulindale | now, find the ":" key :-) |
| 07:31.17 | goodwill | Ainulindale: serious I am so looking forward to fso |
| 07:31.31 | goodwill | Ainulindale: I've been looking at its git...its very promising |
| 07:31.59 | Ainulindale | :-) |
| 07:32.03 | Zoup | goodwill: take a look http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method |
| 07:32.40 | goodwill | Ainulindale: have not tried the asu yet...cause its built for ZFr and qemu is neo1973...though there is a patch as far as I know |
| 07:33.15 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03zecke * r3ff59c1b36f2 10/src/server/phone/contextlabel/base/contextlabel.cpp: [x11] Cleanup, we removed that slot |
| 07:33.15 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2aacbf7e1648 10/src/server/phone/ (phonestatusdbusexporter.cpp phonestatusdbusexporter.h): [gsm] Indicate no registration with a signal strength of -1 |
| 07:33.26 | goodwill | Zoup: I never saw that keyboard on anyimages |
| 07:33.50 | goodwill | Zoup: I am not sure that exists |
| 07:34.01 | Zoup | goodwill: what is mokoos application based on ? C ? python ? |
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| 07:34.21 | goodwill | Zoup: read this: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
| 07:35.24 | Zoup | goodwill: thanks! |
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| 07:36.51 | goodwill | Ainulindale: I am not sure emacs is going to be good for OM, it will need liek joemacs or some other stripped down version |
| 07:37.30 | goodwill | Ainulindale: but the second I manage to install mysql and apache on it, I am planning to freak out my friends |
| 07:38.02 | goodwill | Ainulindale: I want them to be as confused as possible |
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| 07:40.50 | goodwill | ooohh |
| 07:40.55 | goodwill | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
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| 07:43.00 | Zoup | goodwill: what ? |
| 07:43.09 | goodwill | ? |
| 07:43.20 | Zoup | goodwill: you said ohh and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 07:43.30 | goodwill | good reading before you get one |
| 07:43.34 | Zoup | ohh!! |
| 07:46.12 | neldoreth | short question: i downloaded over the mokomakefile the latest official images: booting works and if the system loaded finallly i can click on buttons but nothing happens - have i forgot something? |
| 07:46.54 | goodwill | neldoreth: nope...the latest images are always devel images..so they are nto considered stable |
| 07:47.03 | goodwill | neldoreth: they are built automatically |
| 07:47.15 | goodwill | neldoreth: I got the same result |
| 07:47.25 | neldoreth | goodwill ok thanks for the information :) |
| 07:47.32 | goodwill | np |
| 07:48.30 | neldoreth | is it possible to geht the image with the freerunner is getting shipped out? |
| 07:48.59 | neldoreth | im sure it is, what question :> |
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| 07:54.44 | goodwill | neldoreth: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 07:54.58 | goodwill | neldoreth: according to that its in http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ |
| 07:55.13 | goodwill | neldoreth: but I have problems getting qemu to flash gta02 images |
| 07:55.26 | goodwill | in fact I am trying this excat image now |
| 07:55.30 | goodwill | I'll let you know in a few |
| 07:55.51 | malik1972_ | use gta01 images |
| 07:55.57 | goodwill | yeah |
| 07:56.22 | goodwill | malik1972_: I am assuming their equivalent is the kevin recomended image of the same date |
| 07:56.38 | neldoreth | goodwill ok thanks i will take a look at it |
| 07:56.39 | malik1972_ | its a qemu-neo1973 emulator |
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| 07:56.41 | goodwill | http://downloads.openmoko.org/recommended/ |
| 07:56.59 | goodwill | malik1972_: I know, supposedly there is a kernel patch to make it run for FR |
| 07:57.05 | goodwill | malik1972_: have nto figured it out yet |
| 07:57.08 | malik1972_ | kevin has a neo1973 and a freerunner |
| 07:57.10 | goodwill | malik1972_: are you an OM wise one |
| 07:57.28 | malik1972_ | no, but i tested a lot with qemu |
| 07:58.02 | malik1972_ | normally the resources are not enough to run gta02 images |
| 07:58.20 | malik1972_ | you can change ram and nand, also in qemu |
| 07:58.45 | malik1972_ | but it didnt worked for me |
| 08:00.52 | goodwill | malik1972_: I had problems burning them before |
| 08:01.01 | goodwill | malik1972_: this one actually burned |
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| 08:01.10 | goodwill | I do not know if it will book |
| 08:01.11 | goodwill | boot |
| 08:01.30 | goodwill | yeah its not running |
| 08:01.38 | goodwill | something about magic bitmask |
| 08:02.09 | goodwill | malik1972_: do you know if the http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ same as the recommended ones of the same date? |
| 08:02.46 | goodwill | malik1972_: do you have a FR moded qemu? |
| 08:05.03 | malik1972_ | goodwill: you want to test which kind of images? something recommended, stable, to get an idea of what you buy? |
| 08:05.25 | goodwill | malik1972_: no, I am buying regardless |
| 08:05.39 | goodwill | malik1972_: I am just trying to get familiar with the whole system |
| 08:05.50 | goodwill | malik1972_: I am supet excited about fso for example |
| 08:06.13 | faern | too |
| 08:06.15 | malik1972_ | did you see the video of mickey |
| 08:06.29 | faern | url? |
| 08:07.22 | malik1972_ | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone1/FrameworkMilestone1.m4v |
| 08:07.37 | goodwill | malik1972_: I even flashed fso onto qemu to play with |
| 08:07.54 | malik1972_ | goodwill: it didnt worked for me |
| 08:08.06 | goodwill | malik1972_: it froze after a modem reset |
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| 08:08.27 | goodwill | malik1972_: but what little code I've read so far in the git...its exciting |
| 08:08.36 | malik1972_ | goodwill: it boots and i can see 4 icons on the screen but nothing happens |
| 08:09.04 | malik1972_ | at least with milestone1 |
| 08:09.12 | goodwill | malik1972_: the dialer icon pulls up a dialer |
| 08:09.14 | goodwill | for me |
| 08:09.19 | malik1972_ | really? |
| 08:09.21 | goodwill | yup |
| 08:09.54 | malik1972_ | how did you installed it, with the makefile or manually? |
| 08:10.26 | goodwill | malik1972_: I made qemu with mokomakefile |
| 08:10.59 | goodwill | malik1972_: then moved default official images out of the way, downloaded fso ones, and symlinked the folder with them to openmoko folder in images/ |
| 08:11.04 | malik1972_ | and then? how did you tell qemu to use fso images instead of the official ones |
| 08:11.09 | goodwill | malik1972_: and I used the official images uboot |
| 08:11.14 | malik1972_ | okay |
| 08:11.27 | malik1972_ | will try it |
| 08:11.30 | goodwill | after building qemu and getting the official images |
| 08:11.41 | goodwill | move them out of the way |
| 08:11.50 | goodwill | download fso images to a different folder |
| 08:11.55 | goodwill | copy uboot to it |
| 08:12.01 | goodwill | from the official ones |
| 08:12.04 | goodwill | symlink it |
| 08:12.07 | malik1972_ | i wrote a skript doing the same |
| 08:12.27 | goodwill | then symlink the fso image to file with proper naming convention |
| 08:12.30 | malik1972_ | giving the script 3 parameters: rootfs, kernel and uboot |
| 08:12.49 | goodwill | cause like -fso in it screws it u[ |
| 08:12.51 | goodwill | up |
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| 08:13.22 | malik1972_ | maybe there is a difference between the makefile and a manually setup |
| 08:13.33 | goodwill | anotehr option is to edit env file in build/qemu/openmoko/env |
| 08:13.45 | goodwill | malik1972_: its just the naming convention |
| 08:13.58 | goodwill | the env file is what sets it |
| 08:14.11 | goodwill | whihc itself a smlink to openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env |
| 08:14.26 | goodwill | I found easier to just create proper symlinks |
| 08:14.33 | goodwill | rather then change the env file |
| 08:14.39 | goodwill | which is what flash.sh uses |
| 08:14.51 | malik1972_ | its the easiest way |
| 08:15.13 | malik1972_ | you may also play around changing nand memory and so on |
| 08:15.26 | goodwill | malik1972_: what do you mean? |
| 08:15.28 | malik1972_ | for fr images |
| 08:15.47 | malik1972_ | maybe it works for you |
| 08:16.10 | goodwill | from what I read there is a a openmoko kernel patch to make it work for qemu as freerunner |
| 08:16.20 | goodwill | I have not figured out how to apply it properly |
| 08:16.40 | malik1972_ | i think that this information is old, i am not sure |
| 08:16.47 | goodwill | maybe |
| 08:16.59 | goodwill | I am hoping the frerunner will soon be here |
| 08:17.01 | malik1972_ | the patches are there |
| 08:17.20 | malik1972_ | you may ask balrog-k1n |
| 08:17.31 | malik1972_ | he sould know it |
| 08:18.18 | malik1972_ | i have to boot my machine |
| 08:19.44 | malik1972_ | goodwill: you can modify hw/neo1973.c before compiling, this should give you more ram, which is needed to run gta02 images |
| 08:20.15 | malik1972_ | goodwill: and you need to adjust flash.sh properly to double nand |
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| 08:20.59 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r214ab23ebf90 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up to 116 for illume - new config defaults for aux btn |
| 08:20.59 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r4344ec4e0779 10/packages/python/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [python-etk] Adding patches to python-etk binding. |
| 08:20.59 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rc87ec3bbd352 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade exposure to r50 |
| 08:20.59 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rfd4aff640ea1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: up efl srcdate for fixes to alginment usage in scrolledview and other |
| 08:21.01 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r0fce270d18a0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update to newer etheme and shelf size options |
| 08:21.04 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r35f9c6cd0816 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up illume to rev120 - had theme problem. 100% cpu usage with infinite timer. |
| 08:21.07 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * ra3f050168df5 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: up to 0630 for date of efl - should fix eet issue? i can't reproduce here at |
| 08:21.10 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r8c0724008f62 10/packages/efl1/edbus_cvs.bb: don't need efreet or ewl for edbus build. |
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| 08:29.44 | HauDyrArb | i have been digging around and is a little puzzled about partitioning in the FreeRunner, as i understand the current OpenMoko image only uses 64MB that leaves 192MB unused? |
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| 08:30.18 | XorA | unused until you install more apps |
| 08:30.45 | faern | So if I flash a new root the installed apps will stay? |
| 08:31.21 | HauDyrArb | so the partition is 256mb not 64 |
| 08:31.46 | HauDyrArb | minus the kernel and bootloader ofcourse |
| 08:31.48 | goodwill | tips his hat toward XorA |
| 08:31.51 | XorA | HauDyrArb: slightly less than 256, but yes, it fills all available space |
| 08:31.58 | HauDyrArb | good |
| 08:32.15 | XorA | HauDyrArb: the image just gets dumped to beginning of free space, but jffs2 knows about the rest of the space |
| 08:32.21 | HauDyrArb | then the Wiki needs updating :-) |
| 08:32.53 | XorA | faern: flash a new root and you lose everything you changed |
| 08:33.40 | goodwill | uImage is kernel right? |
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| 08:34.44 | XorA | goodwill: yes |
| 08:35.39 | malik1972 | goodwill: you used the fso gta01 image for qemu, right? |
| 08:35.49 | goodwill | malik1972: yes |
| 08:36.00 | malik1972 | okay, will try it with the makefile |
| 08:36.51 | goodwill | malik1972: good luck |
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| 08:36.57 | goodwill | I am off to bed |
| 08:37.14 | malik1972 | thanx |
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| 08:47.24 | glitch | anyone know if how well the freerunner works with qtopia? |
| 08:47.37 | glitch | if/how* |
| 08:48.57 | XorA | pretty well |
| 08:49.32 | glitch | i heard the neo1973 worked with it, so i thought it would be ok |
| 08:50.12 | XorA | ASU is based on qtopia |
| 08:51.47 | glitch | shame qtopia have taken their free phone ed down |
| 08:52.15 | glitch | i'm sure it will be floating around someplace though |
| 08:52.59 | XorA | its in the openmoko mirrors :-D |
| 08:53.15 | glitch | oh cool |
| 08:53.30 | XorA | buildhost exposes its sources directory |
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| 08:59.54 | Ainulindale | Hmpf, conntrack isn't happy. |
| 09:00.01 | Ainulindale | nf_conntrack: Unknown symbol nf_conntrack_destroy |
| 09:00.11 | Ainulindale | I'm almost sure I forgot something |
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| 09:20.11 | opendeep | Any one tell me how to solve Dependency error :gconf2.0 not found?, libgconf2.0 Is already installed. |
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| 09:28.46 | chris_debian | Morning, all. I've been following the project for quite some time, and this looks like it's going to be huge! Brilliant! |
| 09:30.15 | chris_debian | Anyone in the UK managed to get a handset, and have it working with a UK provider? |
| 09:30.24 | Tig| | yep |
| 09:30.35 | chris_debian | Yipee |
| 09:30.40 | chris_debian | Which provider? |
| 09:30.44 | Tig| | I have a freerunner from truebox and it is working on orange |
| 09:31.01 | chris_debian | I've been communicating with Truebox. I'm also on Orange :-) |
| 09:32.56 | Tig| | I doubt you would have any problems with any network in the UK |
| 09:33.42 | chris_debian | What are your first impressions (an Airplane line comes to mind) |
| 09:33.57 | chris_debian | 2 secs..... |
| 09:37.33 | chris_debian | Trueform told me that the released handset is still for developers. Is this true? |
| 09:38.14 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r63e5d21b143d 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Some bugs fixed |
| 09:38.14 | Tig| | Well the h/w is nice, the screen is very clear, the software does need more love though but we all knew this, I am using it as my day to day phone and there are still some annoying bugs |
| 09:39.05 | Tig| | I would not give it to someone who just wants a working phone atm as after a few days use you might want to throw it across the room sometimes :) |
| 09:39.19 | Ainulindale | Hmmm I want to emulate an usb connection, is it possible with qemu ? |
| 09:39.40 | Tig| | but in general it works :) |
| 09:39.41 | Weiss | Tig|: that you can use it as your day to day phone is encouraging. i often want to throw my "proper" phone across the room... |
| 09:39.42 | chris_debian | Early adoption is often a requirement of Open Source stuff, as we know. If you don't find bugs, they can't be fixed. |
| 09:40.03 | Ainulindale | Found it. |
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| 09:43.05 | xming | so for those who already has one of these babies, how long does the battery last (standby time)? Is it hours, days, weeks? |
| 09:43.38 | Tig| | xming: good question I have not been able to leave it alone long enough to find out |
| 09:44.15 | Tig| | It is not wonderful though I put it on charge last night and will see how it goes today with a day of normal usage |
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| 09:44.31 | abraxa__ | Tig|: What image are you using? ASU? |
| 09:44.51 | xming | what img does it come with? |
| 09:44.58 | abraxa__ | xming: 2007.2 |
| 09:45.05 | xming | ty |
| 09:45.10 | Tig| | abraxa__: I am using the 27/06/08 kernel image from OM.com with the ScaredyCat rootfs |
| 09:45.18 | xming | Tig|: tell me about it tomorrow :) |
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| 09:45.44 | abraxa__ | Tig|: ScaredyCat image of...? 2007.2? |
| 09:46.02 | Tig| | abraxa__: it comes with 2007.2 release, so that is the one from about April that is kicking around on the om.com site under releases :) |
| 09:46.12 | Tig| | abraxa__: yes the 2007.2 image |
| 09:46.28 | abraxa__ | Ah, thanks. Surprised to hear that it works for you but all the better then :) |
| 09:46.42 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r268dec8746b2 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [qtopia] Remove the callforwarding and phonesettings application from the image |
| 09:46.43 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rff0c46bffeb4 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to a version with the massive painting changes |
| 09:46.44 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r12e664d69cc1 10/packages/efl1/edbus_cvs.bb: [edbus Bump the PR after raster's change |
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| 09:48.12 | Tig| | I did get wifi working last night to my WPA network though (command line job) one thing I am going to buy is a BT keyboard |
| 09:49.28 | chris_debian | A BT keyboard? |
| 09:49.52 | xming | can't you just ssh via USB net? |
| 09:49.53 | Tig| | yeah the 2007.2 keypad thing is a bugger to work with |
| 09:50.18 | Tig| | xming: oh yes, but typing an sms on it is a chore as there is no T9 |
| 09:50.40 | xming | Tig|: bring you laptop with you all the time :) |
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| 09:50.54 | xming | there are some very nice foldable BT KB |
| 09:51.22 | Tig| | xming: I know I am just looking at one for £30 from the shop I have to walk past in an hour and a half :) |
| 09:51.43 | Ainulindale | Hmmm the doc here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QEMU#How_to_get_it_running mentions a "monitor" |
| 09:51.47 | Ainulindale | How should I run it ? |
| 09:51.59 | Ainulindale | Modifying the options I guess ? |
| 09:52.05 | Ainulindale | (qemu monitor) |
| 09:52.07 | XorA | ready for the flood :-D |
| 09:52.25 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r85476d7706a5 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add python-pyalsaaudio, support for the Linux 2.6.x ALSA Sound System |
| 09:52.29 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03jluebbe 07org.openmoko.dev * r8e1c072606a5 10/packages/images/fso-image.bb: fso-image: include python-oeventd |
| 09:52.30 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re99961aeac9a 10/packages/gcc/ (4 files in 2 dirs): gcc 4.3.1: fix NEON ice: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=36500 |
| 09:52.37 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r501cfa142f6a 10/packages/freetype/ (freetype-native_2.3.6.bb freetype_2.3.6.bb): freetype: update to version 2.3.6 |
| 09:52.38 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r7b7b59cf1b56 10/packages/libmikmod/ (libmikmod/m4.patch libmikmod_3.1.12.bb): libmikmod 3.1.12 bring back m4 patch to improve compatibility with more systems (thanks Jeremy) |
| 09:52.40 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r02c85e4237fc 10/packages/ (4 files in 4 dirs): merge of 'a6e949d7541dc3ab2d5697151c861cfd4a2efa87' |
| 09:52.40 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r28f4d15758d9 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add python-pyalsa, (another) alsa support package for python |
| 09:52.41 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rb63607ab80bb 10/packages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): python-etk git sanitize recipe and add to task-python-efl[-examples] |
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| 09:52.44 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03likewise 07org.openmoko.dev * rafb0ec2b4ee2 10/packages/rt-tests/rt-tests_0.21.bb: rt-tests: Fix detection of executables in do_install(). |
| 09:52.45 | opendeep | what path PKG_CONFIG_PATH to set? |
| 09:52.49 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03likewise 07org.openmoko.dev * rda113caaf38d 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux-rt-2.6.25: Enable hrtimers, dyntick and -rt latency tracing for EFIKA. |
| 09:52.52 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r6d9077ba8991 10/ (33 files in 16 dirs): merge of '416f841049c84e97f18fad677688af32cbc68636' |
| 09:52.55 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r949de3a24b4e 10/packages/libmodplug/ (libmodplug_0.7.bb libmodplug_0.8.bb): libmodplug 0.7 update to 0.8 |
| 09:53.00 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * re5a8506c7e7d 10/packages/ (libmodplug/libmodplug_0.8.bb modplugplay/modplugplay_1.0.bb): modplugplay 1.0 compile w/ newer gccs |
| 09:53.03 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r80f5de15005e 10/packages/lasertraq/ (.mtn2git_empty lasertraq.inc traqconfig_0.8.bb): traqconfig: add configapplication of the lasertraq suite |
| 09:53.06 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3b4317c3c81b 10/packages/linux/ (4 files in 2 dirs): linux-omap2 git: bump SRCREV and remove patches that are upstream now |
| 09:53.13 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * r37a45f37639c 10/packages/libosip2/libosip2_3.1.0.bb: libosip2: add libosip2 version 3.1.0 |
| 09:53.16 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * r671b3c85ea99 10/packages/libexosip2/libexosip2_3.1.0.bb: libexosip2: add libexosip2 version 3.1.0 |
| 09:53.23 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r21564633ec73 10/packages/images/fso-image.bb: fso-image: ship sounds, add info 'bout state files |
| 09:53.26 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r701545314eca 10/packages/freesmartphone/fso-sounds.bb: add fso-sounds, notification sounds for the freesmartphone image |
| 09:53.29 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r806aeaaceea4 10/packages/gcc/ (2 files): gcc-cross-kernel: add 4.2.4 and csl-2007q3 |
| 09:53.32 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rd52c8b146ec7 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf: angstrom 2008: use gcc 4.3.1 for armv7a now that NEON works, use a seperate gcc (sadly a CSL one) for kernels |
| 09:53.39 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r51a478bcf44a 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): omap3evm: add omap3evm machine and make linux-omap2 kernel the default for that. Based on work from Steve Sakoman |
| 09:53.46 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rffbed654f5f0 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf: angstrom 2008: remove bogus preferred version |
| 09:53.49 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rb23b3974a5d2 10/packages/linux/ (16 files in 3 dirs): linux-omap2 git: update evm defconfig (thanks Steve!), clean up beagle patch dir, apply smartreflex and cpuidle patches to evm as well |
| 09:53.53 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r4de6e1f702e4 10/packages/python/ (2 files in 2 dirs): python-gst 0.10.10 do not require pygtk, gobject is really all it needs |
| 09:53.56 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r4a1435517f3b 10/packages/freetype/ (3 files in 2 dirs): freetype 2.3.6 fix it |
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| 09:54.01 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * ra05545c9ebac 10/ (19 files in 5 dirs): merge of 'adb71bd42c308e5f50a18441883b2051173f9cd2' |
| 09:54.05 | xming | time to ignore the CIA bot :p |
| 09:54.10 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * r2d379e77010e 10/packages/imagemagick/imagemagick_6.3.5-10.bb: imagemagick: don't call libtoolize for imagemagick, it doesn't work |
| 09:54.13 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r6f354297438a 10/packages/aspell/aspell_0.60.6.bb: aspell: add 0.60.6, fixes compile errors with gcc 4.3.x |
| 09:54.18 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rac4cf4795630 10/conf/machine/include/tune-cortexa8.inc: tune-cortex a8: remove -ftree-vectorize so people can use 2008q1 as compiler |
| 09:54.21 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re1418e9c195a 10/conf/machine/beagleboard.conf: beagleboard: switch to armv7a |
| 09:54.24 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r497e81e6c499 10/conf/machine/omap3evm.conf: omap3evm: switch to armv7a |
| 09:54.27 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r63281b054397 10/contrib/angstrom/sort.sh: angstrom feed sorter: sync with version on serinity |
| 09:54.34 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rbca2bb2cf0ed 10/packages/xorg-lib/libfs_1.0.1.bb: libfs: add 1.0.1 |
| 09:54.37 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r3144ec052009 10/packages/xorg-lib/xtrans_1.2.bb: xtrans: add 1.2 |
| 09:54.40 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r4aa4ad987f34 10/packages/xorg-util/util-macros-native_1.1.6.bb: util-macros-native: add 1.1.6 |
| 09:54.45 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r12878d57c7d9 10/packages/xorg-lib/libxau-native_1.0.3.bb: libxau-native-1.0.3: stop providing "xau" (inherited from libxau-1.0.3) |
| 09:54.48 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rb6f32014085d 10/packages/xorg-app/constype_1.0.1.bb: constype: add 1.0.1 |
| 09:54.51 | CIA-26 | (55 lines omitted) |
| 09:54.57 | xming | thank god |
| 09:55.15 | xming | it knows when to shut up |
| 09:55.32 | XorA | heh heh |
| 09:55.59 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r4ee7b4fcd3e2 10/packages/pulseaudio/ (4 files in 2 dirs): pulseaudio 0.9.10 add tiny patches from Poky |
| 09:56.00 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r18c34688bbfe 10/packages/ (python/python-pyyaml_3.05.bb tasks/task-python-everything.bb): add python-pyyaml, yaml support for Python |
| 09:56.13 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r6a60d31222b2 10/ (81 files in 23 dirs): merge of '5df8864bb6077e592cab2f4f7568f207380225e4' |
| 09:56.20 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r1b312d7495cf 10/conf/distro/ (3 files in 2 dirs): angstrom|om|jlime: go back to udev 115 |
| 09:56.23 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r72eb4e976d6e 10/conf/distro/ezx.conf: remove ezx.conf, use angstrom, generic, or openmoko |
| 09:56.25 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r685cbe97057e 10/packages/udev/ (19 files in 3 dirs): udev-118: go back in time to udev-115 which seems to work slightly better on some Zaurus models |
| 09:56.27 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r853c9eb8eda5 10/packages/udev/ (19 files in 3 dirs): disapproval of revision 'a41ea1ad763bed9b2597a75fd878c89397de75e0' |
| 09:56.28 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rc16a7faa783b 10/conf/distro/ (3 files in 2 dirs): disapproval of revision '4eeab448d8f0ea43702fbbac1fad0e283ba87b91' |
| 09:56.30 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r4153654a6e53 10/conf/distro/ezx.conf: merge of 'ae80749e4b78bcd1a09605ab422d6bca3ed0eac9' |
| 09:56.33 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r094fac7ccf93 10/packages/xorg-driver/ (3 files in 2 dirs): xf86-video-ark: add 0.7.0 |
| 09:56.38 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rdfffb6049ecf 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-ast_0.85.0.bb: xf86-video-ast: add 0.85.0 |
| 09:56.41 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r9ae94410409e 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-chips_1.2.0.bb: xf86-video-chips: add 1.2.0 |
| 09:56.44 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r650ba773910f 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-cirrus_1.2.1.bb: xf86-video-cirrus: add 1.2.1 |
| 09:56.49 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rba132c431764 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-fbdev_0.4.0.bb: xf86-video-fbdev: add 0.4.0 |
| 09:56.52 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r120a3e4e7006 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-glint_1.2.0.bb: xf86-video-glint: add 1.2.0 |
| 09:56.55 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r4168ca3a60e8 10/ (14 files in 10 dirs): merge of '10ff7a617b3c5cbe78b0c05c1d0b09006a1c44c0' |
| 09:57.00 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r927fe3f78aae 10/etc/freesmartphone/opreferences/conf/profiles/default.yaml: Added profiles conf file |
| 09:57.03 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rcc15f52de2d5 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-i128_1.3.0.bb: xf86-video-i128: add 1.3.0 |
| 09:57.06 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r2bc467811646 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-i740_1.2.0.bb: xf86-video-i740: add 1.2.0 |
| 09:57.13 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r3fadc4238922 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-neomagic_1.2.1.bb: xf86-video-neomagic: add 1.2.1 |
| 09:57.16 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r31e62de5d7f3 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-nv_2.1.9.bb: xf86-video-nv: add 2.1.9 |
| 09:57.19 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r6a1a6a50315f 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-s3_0.6.0.bb: xf86-video-s3: add 0.6.0 |
| 09:57.24 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rb0af2e37444b 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-s3virge_1.10.1.bb: xf86-video-s3virge: add 1.10.1 |
| 09:57.27 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r356a75496b40 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-siliconmotion_1.6.0.bb: xf86-video-siliconmotion: add 1.6.0 |
| 09:57.30 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r1493fdc9c2c2 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-sisusb_0.9.0.bb: xf86-video-sisusb: add 0.9.0 |
| 09:57.37 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * re25d4a2b5922 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-trident_1.3.0.bb: xf86-video-trident: add 1.3.0 |
| 09:57.40 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rda6e26caa361 10/packages/xorg-driver/ (3 files in 2 dirs): xf86-video-dummy: add 0.3.0 |
| 09:57.43 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rb360ef2a6edb 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-geode_2.9.0.bb: xf86-video-geode: add 2.9.0 - untested, only compiles on x86 |
| 09:57.50 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r7dd014202830 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-radeonhd_1.2.0.bb: xf86-video-radeonhd: add 1.2.0, an AMD/ATI r5xx, r6xx display driver |
| 09:57.53 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * ra194a24d7194 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-rendition_4.2.0.bb: xf86-video-rendition: add 4.2.0 |
| 09:57.56 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rd9e8ed46f50b 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-savage_2.2.1.bb: xf86-video-savage: add 2.2.1 |
| 09:58.03 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r49d89c4aca0e 10/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-video-sis_0.10.0.bb: xf86-video-sis: add 0.10.0 |
| 09:58.06 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r5a39e002e45e 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-xorg-versions-X11R7.4.inc: preferred-xorg-versions-X11R7.4.inc: update some versions for 7.4 |
| 09:58.09 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r5fa1250a4df6 10/classes/rm_work.bbclass: rm_work: now that packaged-staging knows about rm_work we can make it more potent again |
| 09:58.18 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03dirk 07org.openmoko.dev * rcf6a4611a7e7 10/packages/powertop/ (powertop_1.10.bb powertop_1.9.bb): powertop: upgrade to 1.10 and fix URL |
| 09:58.21 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rb03056f05952 10/packages/pulseaudio/pulseaudio-esd-wrapper.bb: pulseaudio esd wrapper: meta package that transparently replaces the esound server with pulseaudio |
| 09:58.24 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r5451902aa750 10/packages/freesmartphone/ (2 files in 2 dirs): python-odeviced: add om-gta02 config for input module |
| 09:58.25 | *** join/#openmoko andrenarchy (n=andrenar@dslb-088-065-092-135.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 09:58.29 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rb8cd5bbfe1c5 10/packages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merge of '9ea31290125f045b9aba7f495e83482e68ce640d' |
| 09:58.32 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3012788d310f 10/packages/pulseaudio/padevchooser_0.9.3.bb: padevchooser: add the pulseaudio device chooser applet |
| 09:58.35 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r21834428c8a5 10/packages/pulseaudio/padevchooser_0.9.3.bb: merge of '81ce749b8f57a5a56ca3f31c843da1b227a8a48d' |
| 09:58.48 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r48ae29b10f45 10/packages/pulseaudio/pulseaudio-esd-wrapper.bb: pulse esd wrapper: fix postinst |
| 09:58.48 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r6086e5b77fbd 10/packages/pulseaudio/ (files/asound.conf.pulseaudio pulseaudio-alsa-wrapper.bb): pulseaudio alsa wrapper: add meta package that installs the files needed to use pulseaudio as alsa-backend |
| 09:58.52 | *** join/#openmoko BlackFog (n=BlackFog@unaffiliated/blackfog) |
| 09:58.54 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r94799c643f1f 10/packages/freesmartphone/ (2 files in 2 dirs): merge of '23094adbbe1c0cf4e6533536f3d839d77e1e5bbf' |
| 09:58.54 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03lukas.gorris 07org.openmoko.dev * r24b64ee54cfa 10/packages/rt2x00/rt73-k2wrlz_3.0.0.bb: rt73-k2wrlz_3.0.0.bb : new version from dcordes |
| 09:58.57 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * reb6fe5d72d12 10/packages/stage-manager/ (files/stage-manager-ipkg stagemanager-native_0.0.1.bb): stagemanager native: replace 'head -1' with 'head -n1' |
| 09:59.02 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r849bd1a23933 10/packages/freesmartphone/ (zhone/80zhone zhone_git.bb): zhone: debug to /tmp/zhone.log for now, fix PACKAGE_ARCH |
| 09:59.05 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r8a30b4af281d 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: preferred-om-versions: prefer pulseaudio 0.9.10 |
| 09:59.08 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rdd2bc6db30e1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: opkg[-native|-sdk]: prefere revision 4488. should fix the segfault w/ unsigned repositories |
| 09:59.15 | BlackFog | hi |
| 09:59.21 | *** join/#openmoko igor321 (n=igor@232-72.dsl.iskon.hr) |
| 09:59.35 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3095c8e92f3b 10/packages/libpcre/libpcre_7.6.bb: libpcre: fix builds with libtool 2.2.4 |
| 09:59.35 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rcb2eb303f314 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): sane-srcrevs: bump opkg*, mplayer and packagekit |
| 09:59.35 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rbeb675241afd 10/packages/linux/linux-omap2-git/beagleboard/defconfig: linux omap2 git: disable DEBUG_LL for beagleboard |
| 09:59.37 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rb328f3d9aec0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sanesrcrevs: wind back opkg-native to 4452. opkg works find on the target, opkg-native fails with locking problems |
| 09:59.44 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * rcb5df50afd69 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: Slugos Package Feeds: drop linphone and spandsp to the broken list. |
| 09:59.52 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * rad3f59f3ca05 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: SlugOS Package Feeds - demote yeaphone, as it's dependent upon the broken linphone |
| 09:59.56 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * r495ef318bf96 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: SlugOS Package Feeds - Yet another demotion: postfix will not build (bb file error) |
| 10:00.05 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r52bf846493a6 10/packages/pulseaudio/pulseaudio-alsa-wrapper.bb: pulseaudio alsa wrapper: add more modules |
| 10:00.12 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03dirk 07org.openmoko.dev * r58e40ff9f9d2 10/classes/insane.bbclass: insane.bbclass: add linux-gnuspe as valid target |
| 10:00.15 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rdb443a667324 10/conf/machine/hx4700.conf: hx4700: append jffs2 to fstypes |
| 10:00.22 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r69e41fac6f68 10/packages/mozilla/ (11 files in 2 dirs): firefox_2.0.0.14+3.0rc1.bb : first stab at firefox 3 recipe |
| 10:00.46 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r7e3fe0e4f6fd 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): merge of '02ce8fba2c16b03770277a744efebc4f9c0f7f47' |
| 10:01.43 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r5fc98c63b907 10/conf/distro/include/ (preferred-om-2008-versions.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): merge of '1ca4c522d6f876b0f973239befedba5f6ad6ab07' |
| 10:03.52 | *** part/#openmoko Dunedan (n=dunedan@phoenitydawn.de) |
| 10:03.57 | *** join/#openmoko Dunedan (n=dunedan@phoenitydawn.de) |
| 10:04.10 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r96c1ff8e34d6 10/conf/distro/include/ (preferred-om-2008-versions.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): merge of '5f8c61f539e6f103dcfa53a341944eb1b46c96fe' |
| 10:07.36 | *** join/#openmoko igor321_ (n=igor@193-142.dsl.iskon.hr) |
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| 10:08.52 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * re36867891de7 10/packages/freesmartphone/gsmd2_git.bb: gsmd2 git disable tests make it compile now |
| 10:08.52 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * re7789b03f4d5 10/packages/freesmartphone/gsmd2_git.bb: merge of '6d659ab83a5262d1e21010e8ef7628a905dfff84' |
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| 10:09.43 | pat^ | hi. i have a problem compiling the current asu. i want to build an image that i can run in a chroot env with xephyr. the problem is that the build of ecore fails : undefined reference to `_dl_tls_get_addr_soft@GLIBC_PRIVATE'. did somebody encounter this error, too? |
| 10:10.17 | *** join/#openmoko C7 (n=C7@zux006-058-029.adsl.green.ch) |
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| 10:11.07 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rde87183359c9 10/conf/machine/ (om-gta01.conf om-gta02.conf): om-gta0[1|2]: allow local.conf to override PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel |
| 10:11.24 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r1941f4682240 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrev: wind back opkg-native to 4452 *again* |
| 10:11.37 | juri_ | wow. someones busy. |
| 10:11.52 | *** join/#openmoko N-Mi_ (n=nicolas@calvix/staff/N-Mi) |
| 10:13.48 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r16f9974b6075 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: merge of '2d0e7ded96559d4c71de1153762dd0879fa16697' |
| 10:13.50 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * rff5966bca58b 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: SlugOS Package Feeds - demote ctorrent (do_install fails) |
| 10:13.52 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * r7dc438942e16 10/packages/ipkg-utils/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ipkg-utils: fix ipk (ar) file processing to handle odd-length data blocks. |
| 10:13.54 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03dirk 07org.openmoko.dev * r3925fa915759 10/packages/pciutils/ (pciutils-2.2.4/configure.patch pciutils_2.2.4.bb): pciutils: add linux-gnuspe as valid system |
| 10:13.55 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03dirk 07org.openmoko.dev * r749cba1b70b4 10/ (19 files in 8 dirs): merge of 'ca63fe7da843b99d6a109e39aea7a28865c9f2a3' |
| 10:13.58 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r589b74c4d4e1 10/ (13 files in 3 dirs): oprofile: sync with poky |
| 10:14.07 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r96fd6f4824b7 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: prefer glib-2.0-native 2.16.1 due to gcc 4.3 fixes |
| 10:14.08 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r3948effdf6ac 10/packages/glib-2.0/ (glib-2.0-native_2.16.1.bb glib-2.0_2.16.1.bb): add glib-2.0-native 2.16.1, 2.12.4 no longer cuts it on systems w/ gcc 4.3 |
| 10:14.08 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * r25bfe0817bdf 10/packages/bwmon/bwmon_1.3.bb: bwmon: fix link failure |
| 10:14.10 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * rc89a244d34d9 10/packages/syslog-ng/syslog-ng_2.0.5.bb: syslog-ng: Add missing dependency on glib-2.0 |
| 10:14.13 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * r9a95e3675b40 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: SlugOS Package Feeds: restore spandsp, syslog-ng, and bwmon to the working list |
| 10:14.20 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * rf36227a1ea8d 10/ (13 files in 3 dirs): merge of '2aac24d666cd8e05063343fe31b3fda11d82ab9e' |
| 10:14.23 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rf7dca65531e4 10/packages/xorg-proto/xextproto_7.0.3.bb: xextproto: add 7.0.3 |
| 10:14.26 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * rab93f9240192 10/packages/xorg-xserver/ (12 files in 3 dirs): xserver-xorg, xserver-kdrive: add 1.4.2 |
| 10:14.29 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r86870041dc16 10/packages/xorg-app/sessreg_1.0.4.bb: sessreg: add 1.0.4 |
| 10:14.32 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03pH5 07org.openmoko.dev * r0f4b952fecdd 10/packages/xorg-app/xinit_1.1.0.bb: xinit: add 1.1.0 |
| 10:14.35 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * r2e42bbaefeb6 10/packages/fetchmail/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fetchmail: updated to latest release with security patch. |
| 10:14.38 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * r4a61989bb95a 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: SlugOS Package Feeds: promote fetchmail back into the feeds |
| 10:14.47 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * r9b7678300d11 10/packages/fetchmail/fetchmail_6.3.8.bb: Fetchmail: Correct packaging oversite |
| 10:14.50 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.dev * r876d4320ef25 10/packages/ (4 files in 3 dirs): merge of '9831ee83165ae726c1641da5b4f8f00b78674b85' |
| 10:14.53 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r33c36e687f09 10/packages/ (4 files in 3 dirs): merge of '333e287567474447d260204effba70e5e0c2eb71' |
| 10:14.58 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * rf11b358f232c 10/packages/stage-manager/ (files/stage-manager-ipkg stagemanager-native_0.0.1.bb): stage-manager: Fix sed error (from poky) |
| 10:15.01 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * r64000fbe01bd 10/classes/packaged-staging.bbclass: packaged-staging.bbclass: Make sure opkg's libdir exists in all cases for lockfiles (from poky) |
| 10:15.04 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openmoko.dev * r58c9d67ee38e 10/packages/libtool/ (libtool-cross_2.2.4.bb libtool_2.2.4.bb): libtool : Updates from poky. |
| 10:15.11 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03steve 07org.openmoko.dev * r7f8ac3d1f154 10/packages/u-boot/ (u-boot-git/beagleboard/base.patch u-boot_git.bb): u-boot beagleboard: update with latest patches and upstream changes |
| 10:15.14 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03steve 07org.openmoko.dev * r2587820cbf7a 10/packages/gtk-webcore/ (3 files in 2 dirs): midori: fix .desktop file |
| 10:15.19 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r2f962b222eb2 10/ (48 files in 25 dirs): merge of '667771aae40d71d3a640333d77db8501aaa679df' |
| 10:15.24 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rdb2782f945ca 10/packages/linux/linux-omap2_git.bb: linux-omap2: bump to 2.6.26-rc6 |
| 10:15.27 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r61755a8db334 10/packages/linux/linux-omap2_git.bb: merge of '4e3569a19b8a6f85c3878f45db976a5ef67711f2' |
| 10:15.30 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r2e3e9c2c2799 10/packages/pulseaudio/pulseaudio_0.9.10.bb: pulseaudio 0.9.10: workaround libtool problems |
| 10:15.37 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rf19d817a50c3 10/packages/glib-2.0/glib-2.0-native_2.16.1.bb: glib-2.0-native: workaround libtool problem |
| 10:15.40 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r1ee31c6c8373 10/packages/linux/linux-omap2_git.bb: linux-omap2 git: beagle needs nand support, evm only needs onenand support |
| 10:15.45 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03steve 07org.openmoko.dev * r8a97c645d079 10/packages/linux/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux omap2 git: update smartreflex patches |
| 10:15.50 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rbc52f1a3f0ad 10/packages/gimp/gimp.inc: gimp: depend on gdk-pixbuf-csource-native |
| 10:15.53 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r02d249ed8bd0 10/packages/sphinx/ (4 files): sphinx: update to latest release |
| 10:15.56 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rf6d341fd628b 10/packages/ (6 files in 3 dirs): libusb: add libusb1, a rewrite of libusb 0.1.x |
| 10:16.01 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r1f366ee27e3c 10/packages/bluez/ (bluez-utils.inc bluez-utils3.inc): bluez-utils: use libusb-compat |
| 10:16.04 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re7d31e2e105e 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): linux omap2 git: add patch to surpress spurious timer reprogramming |
| 10:16.07 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * ref91d6c59949 10/conf/machine/include/ (tune-pentium.inc tune-pentiumpro.inc): *fix -m options now using -march which is fine with gcc-3 and gcc-4 |
| 10:16.12 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r8de8e8855dd5 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-scrrevs: add python-etk |
| 10:16.15 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * rc0e9ffe3a4d2 10/conf/machine/include/ (tune-pentium.inc tune-pentiumpro.inc): merge of '7d82814c0d9a56f422a652519c2811b08560b27e' |
| 10:16.18 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * raf8ce9d23572 10/packages/ (4 files in 3 dirs): various: more libusb -> libusbcompat changes |
| 10:16.25 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re2453a56fcb1 10/packages/liburiparser/files/autofoo.patch: liburiparser: recreate autofoo patch to work with newer libtools |
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| 10:16.28 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * reaba1c06117b 10/packages/gnuradio/ (4 files): gnuradio: libusb -> libusb-compat |
| 10:16.31 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rddcadfd648f5 10/packages/libsdl/libsdl-mixer_1.2.8.bb: libsdl-mixer: update to 1.2.8 |
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| 10:16.40 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rf4e80e9af2a8 10/packages/dsplink/codec-engine_2.10.bb: codec-engine: build & package cmemk module |
| 10:16.43 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re1672be00ee0 10/packages/bluez/bluez-utils3.inc: bluez-utils: fix do_install. passkey-agent moved to test/ |
| 10:16.48 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r4dee02dbb081 10/packages/linux/ (6 files in 2 dirs): linux-openmoko-devel 2.6.24 maintain our own defconfig, remove hardcoded led behaviour |
| 10:16.51 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r87876a424847 10/packages/ (5 files in 3 dirs): merge of '112ba3baa73bf6c445009481cef0ee0f5371e549' |
| 10:16.56 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r754579749930 10/packages/linux/ (linux-omap2-git/beagleboard/defconfig linux-omap2_git.bb): linux-omap2 git: bump to 2.6.26-rc7 |
| 10:21.13 | emonkey | whats hapenning here? codemerging or what? |
| 10:21.24 | XorA | OE->OM merge |
| 10:22.07 | emonkey | ah :-) thx |
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| 10:30.38 | juri_ | pardon my ignorance.. but what was OE? :) |
| 10:30.54 | juri_ | is that the qtopia stuff, and would that make OM the gtk stuff? |
| 10:31.12 | juri_ | has one phone running each, but she actually just uses her phone(s). |
| 10:31.13 | mbuf | juri_, openembedded.org |
| 10:31.55 | juri_ | so, will this be reflected in tomorows nightlys of the gtk, or the qt? :) |
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| 10:45.57 | rwhitby | juri_: OE is the build system that Openmoko uses to build the images |
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| 10:54.34 | Zoup | Guys , is it possible to buy free runner in canada ? |
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| 10:56.37 | spydon | Probably, but you would have to pay shipping |
| 10:58.36 | Zoup | spydon: any idea how much is that ? |
| 10:59.34 | spydon | I think there was a wiki page for how much it had cost for people from diffrent coutries that had bought the neo1973 |
| 11:00.24 | Zoup | spydon: on wiki.openmoko.org? |
| 11:00.56 | spydon | yes |
| 11:01.54 | spydon | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shipping_Notes#Canada |
| 11:02.03 | spydon | there, I found it Zoup |
| 11:02.10 | Zoup | spydon: thank you very much :) |
| 11:02.24 | Zoup | spydon: any idea when online shop will be available ? |
| 11:02.37 | starox | away /away |
| 11:02.49 | spydon | Zoup, ~4 july |
| 11:03.28 | Ainulindale | Well, I'm connected to qemu through ssh, and now my problem is that it can't resolve names |
| 11:03.38 | Ainulindale | While I have correctly configured resolv.conf |
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| 11:04.03 | Zoup | Ainulindale: do you got 'host' command ? |
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| 11:05.19 | Ainulindale | Nope. |
| 11:05.30 | Ainulindale | (on the freerunner I mean) |
| 11:05.39 | Ainulindale | (hmpf, qemu) |
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| 11:07.49 | Ainulindale | Zoup: I think it's a simple routing problem |
| 11:07.59 | Ainulindale | I can't seem to ping my gateway from the freerunner |
| 11:09.57 | Zoup | Ainulindale: then its not routing , since you have not yet been routed :) |
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| 11:12.09 | opendeep | I got "No package 'gconf-2.0' found" error , But libgconf2.0 is installed. PKG_CONFIG_PATH is set to /home/opendeep/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/pkgconfig |
| 11:12.22 | Zoup | Do you know any shop that can sell Free runner by paypal ? |
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| 11:13.43 | chris_debian | https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Shop&thiscat=8 |
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| 11:16.36 | Ainulindale | Zoup: my gateway isn't the host, in fact |
| 11:16.44 | Ainulindale | So I put the host as the gateway for the freerunner |
| 11:16.51 | Ainulindale | I ping correctly the host |
| 11:17.02 | Ainulindale | But when it goes outside, plonk, nothing |
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| 11:17.13 | Ainulindale | And I can't tell why I did everything I usually do |
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| 11:26.33 | Ainulindale | Yay, my bad :-) |
| 11:26.55 | Ainulindale | Then, how to install a package ? |
| 11:28.51 | nibbler_ | forgot enabling forwarding? |
| 11:29.07 | Ainulindale | Nope, I enabled it then disabled it |
| 11:29.31 | xming | is "harray" from OM somethimes here in the channel? |
| 11:29.40 | xming | s/harray/harry |
| 11:32.05 | SpeedEvil | xming: never seen |
| 11:32.22 | SpeedEvil | xming: if they are - rarely. |
| 11:33.51 | Ainulindale | Woops. "Signature check failed |
| 11:33.52 | Ainulindale | " |
| 11:33.56 | xming | well then the only choice is to spam his mailbox and when I am in .tw I will have to spam hist voicemail :) |
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| 11:50.12 | Ainulindale | I can't understand why opkg can't update.. |
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| 11:52.08 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rde0f0d0c4065 10/packages/pidgin/ (pidgin.inc pidgin_2.4.2.bb): pidgin: add 2.4.2 |
| 11:52.08 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r423dea7fc461 10/odeviced/src/daemon/plugin.vala: made conf a read only property |
| 11:52.10 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rc422045604d1 10/packages/images/beagleboard-demo-image.bb: beagleboard-demo-image: add pidgin and irssi |
| 11:52.13 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rda2b49203449 10/packages/mozilla/ (23 files in 3 dirs): firefox 3: remove #if 0 from TLS checking code, replace _pthread_self() with 255255 |
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| 11:53.41 | Ainulindale | Oh, apparently it isn't a problem. |
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| 11:54.36 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * rc119e1a63207 10/packages/obexftp/ (obexftp_0.20.bb obexftp_0.22.bb): obexftp: update to version 0.22 |
| 11:54.36 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r14a4654706e1 10/packages/sysfsutils/sysfsutils_2.1.0.bb: sysfsutils: simplify recipe and bump PR |
| 11:54.36 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r2d37031e5632 10/odeviced/Makefile.am: generate odeviced.vapi for use by the plugins |
| 11:54.38 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r24083161e305 10/packages/mozilla/firefox_3.0.bb: firefox3: apply debian patch to support building against gcc 4.3.x |
| 11:54.41 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r012770c0a11a 10/odeviced/ (11 files in 4 dirs): |
| 11:54.44 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: Revert "generate odeviced.vapi for use by the plugins" |
| 11:54.50 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit a6e895e7cb5e537b5ad83e5e340ade6db21d09ed. |
| 11:54.52 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r9abbf64213e1 10/packages/cmake/ (cmake-native_2.4.8.bb cmake.inc cmake_2.4.8.bb): cmake: move definition of CMAKE_MAJOR_VERSION into python function in .inc |
| 11:54.55 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * re3c9462fecb1 10/packages/ (25 files in 4 dirs): olsr: consolidate olsr and olsrd into a common directory |
| 11:54.58 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r012770c0a11a 10/odeviced/ (11 files in 4 dirs): |
| 11:55.03 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: Revert "generate odeviced.vapi for use by the plugins" |
| 11:55.05 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit a6e895e7cb5e537b5ad83e5e340ade6db21d09ed. |
| 11:55.07 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r2d37031e5632 10/odeviced/Makefile.am: generate odeviced.vapi for use by the plugins |
| 11:55.10 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rb2cbbca16f49 10/packages/mozilla/firefox_3.0.bb: firefox 3: replace internal js version with one that isn't horribly broken |
| 11:55.15 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra6e895e7cb5e 10/odeviced/ (11 files in 4 dirs): generate odeviced.vapi for use by the plugins |
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| 11:57.12 | Ainulindale | It keeps throwing an error though |
| 11:57.44 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra63aa69a1abc 10/examples/gsm-log-data.py: examples/gsm-log-data.py: add automatic call answering to example |
| 11:58.02 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03zecke * r0c2ea423d9ae 10/src/libraries/qtopia/themedview.cpp: [theme] Do not allow to layout on mouse press/release |
| 11:59.24 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03zecke * r0c2ea423d9ae 10/src/libraries/qtopia/themedview.cpp: [theme] Do not allow to layout on mouse press/release |
| 11:59.24 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra681789234b4 10/odeviced/src/plugins/rtc/ (6 files): |
| 11:59.24 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: * add rtc-helpers.vapi |
| 11:59.24 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: * Plugin entirely written in vala now |
| 11:59.27 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: * no need for rtc.c,.h now |
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| 12:04.30 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra681789234b4 10/odeviced/src/plugins/rtc/ (6 files): |
| 12:04.30 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: * add rtc-helpers.vapi |
| 12:04.30 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: * Plugin entirely written in vala now |
| 12:04.30 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: * no need for rtc.c,.h now |
| 12:04.46 | Sup3rkiddo | this is weird o.o |
| 12:06.36 | LottoKim | Is freerunner usefull? Or should i wait for a update? |
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| 12:16.04 | Ainulindale | Well, problem solved. Now, what should I install ? :-) |
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| 12:44.09 | mohamed | hi all, I have neo 1973 and I want to remove the top cover, but I couldn't find the two Torx screws (T6x40), can anyone please guide me how can I do that ? |
| 12:45.16 | mickeyl | open the back case |
| 12:45.29 | mickeyl | see the TORX being at the bottom, slightly left and right next to the case hole |
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| 12:53.03 | atul | mickely, Am using wxWidgets and gstreamer library to developed media application for moko but wxWidgets wont allow me to add gst/gst.h any Idea ? |
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| 12:58.25 | kvk | when im building a package in moko im getting a error like this " ERROR: function do_compile failed ERROR: log data follows (/home/qvantel/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/pixman-0.9.6-r0/temp/log.do_compile.32644) | NOTE: make | make all-recursive | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/qvantel/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/pixman-0.9.6-r0/pixman-0.9.6' | Making all in pixman | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/qvantel/mok |
| 12:58.25 | kvk | o/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/pixman-0.9.6-r0/pixman-0.9.6/pixman' ". can anyone help in resolving this error?? |
| 13:03.16 | rwhitby | look in the log file specified |
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| 13:16.21 | opendeep | rwhitby::Can you see this link , he had the same error what I get and but solution is not understandable for me.http://markmail.org/message/appgwaimmd76k3wq?q=No+package+'gconf-2%2E0'+found+in+openmoko%3F&page=1&refer=appgwaimmd76k3wq |
| 13:17.12 | rwhitby | opendeep: no idea |
| 13:17.28 | rwhitby | I haven't used the toolchain by itself. |
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| 13:21.33 | Ghiottone|work | hi all |
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| 13:21.44 | buntfalke | hi |
| 13:22.00 | Ghiottone|work | is there a link to the System Programmer manual of the S3C2410T Processor? |
| 13:22.17 | Ghiottone|work | Samsung has put all the docs under registration |
| 13:22.17 | buntfalke | can the freerunner be synchronized with kde desktops reasonably? for PIM applications / information? |
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| 13:22.31 | Ghiottone|work | and on the wiki there is just the user manual |
| 13:22.57 | opendeep | rwhitby:I get "NO package gconf2.o found" error, I have already installed libgconf2.0, there is a message after error like "set PKG_CONFIG_PATH properly" |
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| 13:23.57 | opendeep | in .bashrc set PKG_CONFIG_PATH =/home/opendeep/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/pkgconfig |
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| 13:24.28 | thseiler | good morning, how does one build an FSO image ? |
| 13:24.46 | rwhitby | Using the MokoMakefile, "make fso-image" |
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| 13:25.02 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.09 | buntfalke | Where can I get an overview of how to use the qemu emulation? which keys are actually doing something? |
| 13:25.18 | thseiler | rwhitby: cool thanx ! |
| 13:25.21 | SpeedEvil | buntfalke: IIRC space and return are the only ones |
| 13:25.28 | SpeedEvil | buntfalke: aux and power |
| 13:25.53 | buntfalke | and the rest is cursor? |
| 13:25.56 | buntfalke | hm. |
| 13:26.05 | buntfalke | and just left mouse button, i assume? |
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| 13:29.07 | Ghiottone|work | Where can I find the System Programmer manual of the S3C2410T Processor? I'd like to start system programming with the Neo1973 |
| 13:29.55 | abraxa__ | Ghiottone|work: What's your understanding of a "System Programmer manual"? |
| 13:31.10 | buntfalke | How do i get to this "main menu" screen for instance, where all the application icons are? |
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| 13:31.27 | Ghiottone|work | abraxa__: a manual that includes info on programming the processor from scratch. I mean initializations, protected/supervisor mode, task switching etc |
| 13:31.32 | buntfalke | starting from the "running" screen |
| 13:31.36 | buntfalke | doesnt quite get how to use it |
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| 13:33.10 | Ghiottone|work | abraxa__: I had a quick look at this http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productRightMenuDown.do?doc_file=26537 but it does not seem to be enough |
| 13:33.45 | Ghiottone|work | abraxa__: for intel processors, there are three volumes. The last of which is the system programmer and includes info very useful for os developers |
| 13:34.10 | Ghiottone|work | abraxa__: that's why I'm looking for a "system programmer manual" |
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| 13:36.42 | HauDyrArb | Ghiottone|work, remember the FreeRunner uses Samsung 2442B |
| 13:37.40 | abraxa__ | Ghiottone|work: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=229&partnum=SC32442 |
| 13:37.45 | abraxa__ | Good luck getting at the docs... |
| 13:38.28 | Ghiottone|work | HauDyrArb: I have a Neo1973 |
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| 13:38.46 | SpeedEvil | You need a fake corporate website. |
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| 13:38.50 | SpeedEvil | Or even a real one. |
| 13:39.07 | HauDyrArb | Ghiottone|work, ok so never mind :-) |
| 13:39.35 | Ghiottone|work | abraxa__: I have already seen that page. And I know that registration is needed. I'm asking here in the hope that someone has a copy to share |
| 13:40.13 | XorA | Ghiottone|work: google is your friend |
| 13:40.42 | HauDyrArb | Ghiottone|work, i think the manual looks pretty extensive it goes thrugh all the registers and stuff. |
| 13:41.03 | abraxa__ | Ghiottone|work: Gotcha |
| 13:42.08 | HauDyrArb | 599 pages of goodness :-) |
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| 13:56.40 | buntfalke | Can qtopia be synced with kde? |
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| 14:54.38 | joss | so is there a skype client for openmoko? |
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| 14:55.52 | HauDyrArb | joss dont think so |
| 14:56.01 | russellb | no, there is not |
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| 14:57.05 | HauDyrArb | and only if they make skype GPL or recompile skype themselves will it be avalible |
| 14:57.45 | XorA | with a bit of hacking someone might |
| 14:57.57 | XorA | soddit, I hit enter instead of delete |
| 14:58.04 | chris_debian | Not Skype though. Could we use SIP based Ekiga? |
| 14:58.24 | russellb | you could use the backend stuff from ekiga, but not the interface itself |
| 14:59.06 | XorA | just fixup telepathy to have full SIP support |
| 14:59.25 | buntfalke | Does someone know if it is possible to synchronize contact / calendar information with kde? |
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| 15:01.39 | HauDyrArb | XorA, using wine for instance or what |
| 15:01.54 | balrog-k1n | they have a skype for arm cause you can install that on the n810 |
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| 15:02.04 | balrog-k1n | you have to pay though, i think |
| 15:02.39 | Mek | isn't the n810 a different arm version than the neo/freerunner? |
| 15:03.05 | balrog-k1n | yes |
| 15:03.23 | XorA | HauDyrArb: I was thinking the n810 skype, but that wont work |
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| 15:05.41 | joss | balrog-k1n: hmm, is n810 linux based embedded phone? |
| 15:06.06 | Mek | it is not really a phone, but it is a linux based pda like thing |
| 15:06.50 | mjr | it's nokia's "internet tablet" |
| 15:07.24 | joss | hmm, seems so, wonder wether it is an open one, in a sence that full access to flash chips etc.? |
| 15:07.37 | mjr | it's not overly open |
| 15:07.52 | mjr | the OS contains many proprietary components and the wifi chip needs a prop. kernel module |
| 15:08.08 | balrog-k1n | right |
| 15:08.13 | mjr | but you can put what you want on it |
| 15:08.33 | balrog-k1n | the architecture wasn't very open either but almost everything has been reverse egineered by users now |
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| 15:09.05 | mjr | yeah there was that project for a free software distro for it, just sad such is needed |
| 15:09.14 | mjr | dunno how it goes for them |
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| 15:11.13 | joss | mjr: hmm, wonder wether they reverse engineered the skype binary also:)? |
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| 15:11.36 | joss | seems like a device called sony mylo has something like vericall edge that can do skype voip |
| 15:12.39 | balrog-k1n | joss: you have to pay for the skype binary even on the n810 |
| 15:12.51 | mjr | joss, no they didn't |
| 15:12.59 | balrog-k1n | otherwise i'm sure it could run on the Neo despite the differences |
| 15:13.02 | mjr | it's not an integral part about the tablet anyway |
| 15:13.22 | juri_ | balrog: the nokias are an omap/dsp combo. the dsp code will be a showstopper. |
| 15:13.31 | joss | hmm, can it be baught to openmoko as well? |
| 15:13.56 | mjr | just forget about it |
| 15:14.00 | balrog-k1n | juri_: afaik the dsp is ever only used on maemo through gstreamer |
| 15:14.17 | balrog-k1n | and gstreamer has fallback implementations for stuff |
| 15:15.19 | balrog-k1n | i don't know it well, though |
| 15:15.52 | juri_ | i own one. but i havent done any programming for it. too non-free. |
| 15:16.23 | balrog-k1n | yea, same here |
| 15:16.29 | balrog-k1n | except getting qemu to run on it |
| 15:16.38 | juri_ | nice. |
| 15:16.40 | balrog-k1n | in fact it's a good testing platform |
| 15:16.51 | joss | juri_: so you have access to the skype binary? |
| 15:17.01 | juri_ | joss: nope. never got it. |
| 15:17.23 | mjr | Yeah. I was tempted to buy one of them tablets since a guy offered me a discount code but didn't really appeal. |
| 15:17.39 | joss | juri_: what about other binaries, can you copy those to somewhere, have you got access to them? |
| 15:17.49 | juri_ | balrog: hows the x86 emulation? it'd be nice to have another (albeit slow, wireless) node on my cluster. |
| 15:18.04 | balrog-k1n | joss: you can download them from nokia's website |
| 15:18.13 | balrog-k1n | joss: they have images like openmoko |
| 15:18.41 | balrog-k1n | juri_: hah... singleminded |
| 15:18.51 | juri_ | balrog: always. :) |
| 15:19.03 | balrog-k1n | juri_: i did run an x86 kernel for a test, it booted up to userspace and i killed it |
| 15:19.05 | joss | balrog-k1n: hmm, so the there is access to filesystem too, not only some downloading folders? |
| 15:19.09 | balrog-k1n | it took it probably about 20mins |
| 15:19.28 | juri_ | wow. ok, too slow to use. :) |
| 15:19.33 | balrog-k1n | joss: yeah, it even ships with a terminal emulator |
| 15:19.47 | balrog-k1n | joss: maemo is based on debian |
| 15:20.41 | joss | balrog-k1n: cool, so skype could be bought from nokia, and if there is a luck, it can run on other embedded systems? |
| 15:20.59 | mjr | what is this obsession with skype... |
| 15:21.22 | joss | mjr: large majority of users using it |
| 15:21.24 | balrog-k1n | joss: maybe.. i guess you'd have to try to know for sure |
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| 15:22.13 | joss | balrog-k1n: indeed, libs should have to me matched particularly those libc versions |
| 15:22.44 | joss | should have to me/should have to |
| 15:22.54 | joss | match |
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| 15:28.18 | joss | balrog-k1n: have you seen a smartphone that could to cdma 450mhz, internet here is offered so? |
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| 15:30.56 | balrog-k1n | joss: that could run linux? |
| 15:31.09 | joss | balrog-k1n: yes |
| 15:31.47 | balrog-k1n | joss: i don't know about recent phones models, but you should have a look at the handhelds.org's supported devices list in their wiki |
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| 15:41.30 | TAsnn | joss, i think (kinda sure) people reversed skype already |
| 15:42.03 | Qwell | TAsnn: nope.. |
| 15:42.34 | Qwell | there's the whole encryption thing you have to deal with |
| 15:43.09 | TAsnn | Qwell, oh. cause my father is using a client called fring to use skype on his n95 |
| 15:44.56 | mjr | doesn't necessarily mean they've RE'd it |
| 15:45.14 | mjr | but *shrug*, as long as the information isn't public |
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| 15:49.02 | joss | TAsnn: that is for microsoft soft |
| 15:49.02 | TAsnn | well i don't use skype anyway. :) |
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| 15:49.18 | TAsnn | joss, also for symbian. |
| 15:49.50 | TAsnn | which is going open source so i guess with enough free time one could build an emulator for it :) |
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| 15:52.03 | mjr | The "how fring works" image looks like they use a gateway for skype access. I would hazard a guess that they're using Skype's libs on said gateway |
| 15:52.45 | TAsnn | mjr, they may. one could build a gateway of his own and interface to it with a client for om. |
| 15:53.17 | TAsnn | the possibilities are endless, time isn't :) |
| 15:53.45 | Mek | for all practical purposes time is also endless :P |
| 15:53.52 | `pwgen` | su - |
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| 15:57.41 | mwester | waits patiently for `pwgen` to type his root password... |
| 15:59.38 | `pwgen` | root . what else ... |
| 15:59.40 | `pwgen` | *G* |
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| 16:02.52 | jOERG | "make me a sandwich!" - "do it yourself" - "sudo make me a sandwich" - "ok" :-D |
| 16:03.10 | textshell | why not simply sudo !! |
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| 16:03.39 | Dave | Sudo blows. |
| 16:04.00 | TAsnn | im with dave on this one. |
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| 16:04.22 | TAsnn | especially since he has a free runner :) |
| 16:04.23 | textshell | it's good for jokes. And it's great for giving out specific rights, wildcard sudo ... well that's another thing. |
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| 16:05.40 | webar7 | gets set to buy a freerunner .... |
| 16:05.40 | Kheldar | Hi! if I remeber well, the neo has wifi and a graphic acceleration unit |
| 16:05.40 | webar7 | i forget |
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| 16:05.42 | Kheldar | can it run olsr? |
| 16:05.43 | webar7 | can I charge the phone using USB ? |
| 16:06.09 | juri_ | kheldar: the neo dosent. the freerunner does. |
| 16:06.14 | juri_ | webar7: yes, you can. |
| 16:06.18 | webar7 | nice |
| 16:06.31 | juri_ | as a matter of fact, thats the only way to charge it. :) |
| 16:06.32 | webar7 | so should I sell my blackberry and my RIM shares? |
| 16:06.37 | webar7 | oh |
| 16:07.21 | webar7 | the picture I see has "power, usb and gps ports" |
| 16:07.24 | Dave | Thanks, Tasnn :P |
| 16:07.47 | Dave | textshell, no Sudo Gone Wild tales, please :P |
| 16:08.24 | Kheldar | I'm working on a "games on mobile platforms with olsr" end-of-studies project so I was wondering if it could be a demo platform (anyway, there are unlocked iphones and some EEE arund so I can always play with those but ... ) |
| 16:08.24 | Dave | webar, hardly. |
| 16:08.25 | webar7 | uses kerberos and ksu :) |
| 16:08.35 | Dave | Though Nokia is shitting it's pants, figuratively. |
| 16:08.42 | webar7 | Dave, will RIM shares go up ? |
| 16:08.45 | textshell | Dave: no, this is not the place for unrelated tales, and i don't even have any about that ;) |
| 16:08.56 | Dave | :D |
| 16:09.15 | Dave | It was cute, I took my dog to the park this morning, with two gta02s. |
| 16:09.16 | juri_ | nokia deserves some suffering, after the 770/800/810 fiascos. |
| 16:09.34 | Dave | They collected gps data, tracking my movements, synchronously. :] |
| 16:09.38 | juri_ | isn't happy with nokia's idea of 'open'. |
| 16:09.46 | webar7 | Dave, RIM doubled its profit and folks dumped the stock because it invested some of the profit into R&D and marketing |
| 16:09.51 | Dave | juri, in that it's not open? :p |
| 16:10.01 | doc|work | juri_: fiascos? I'm happy (ish) with my 800, even if it's not as open as I'd like |
| 16:10.02 | webar7 | Dave, supposedly due to the "iphone competition" sigh |
| 16:10.05 | jOERG_rw | juri_: GTA01=1973, GTA02=FreeRunner, Neo=GTA-series |
| 16:10.06 | Dave | Yeah |
| 16:10.14 | Dave | I was a bit skeptical about that too. |
| 16:10.20 | juri_ | dave: technically, neither is the openmoko. ;) |
| 16:10.28 | Dave | hah |
| 16:10.31 | Dave | shrugs |
| 16:10.33 | webar7 | hehe |
| 16:10.38 | juri_ | but, you fight your battles one line of code at a time. |
| 16:10.41 | Dave | call it what you will |
| 16:10.44 | doc|work | webar7: haha, idiot investors |
| 16:10.45 | TAsnn | juri_, lol. |
| 16:10.56 | Dave | you mean ONE DEVELOPER AT A TIME... |
| 16:11.01 | Dave | draws his sword |
| 16:11.03 | webar7 | doc|home, true |
| 16:11.04 | Dave | >:) |
| 16:11.10 | Dave | What's up, Doc? :) |
| 16:11.18 | juri_ | draws her sword. :P |
| 16:11.46 | juri_ | THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! :P |
| 16:11.47 | doc|work | Dave: the number of times someone has said that to me :) ( by one ) |
| 16:11.53 | Dave | YES! |
| 16:12.01 | webar7 | hey does openmoko wiki or site have instructions on how to set up some of the server side equivalents that blackberrys use ? |
| 16:12.07 | Dave | Doc, and the number of times someone has made a HAL joke to me? |
| 16:12.13 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 16:12.14 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 16:12.18 | Dave | Yeah, I think we get the picture. |
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| 16:12.36 | doc|work | Dave: hah |
| 16:12.36 | joss | juri_: that freerunner has ts also? |
| 16:12.42 | Dave | draws his freerunner |
| 16:12.47 | webar7 | like 5 steps on how to set up Zimbra to work with your openmoko etc |
| 16:12.48 | Dave | Prepare yourself, Juri! |
| 16:12.53 | juri_ | joss: touchscreen? yes. |
| 16:12.53 | Dave | >:) |
| 16:13.02 | joss | yes |
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| 16:13.51 | juri_ | dave: true trivia: i have a sword. brought home by my grandfather in WW2. :P |
| 16:14.10 | Dave | I have many :] |
| 16:14.23 | juri_ | its been highly maltreated, however. :/ |
| 16:14.23 | Dave | You are welcome to come by and admire my miniscule collection :) |
| 16:14.28 | Dave | Aww |
| 16:14.31 | doc|work | where did your father get a sword in WWII? |
| 16:14.32 | Dave | This is unfortunate. |
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| 16:14.43 | Dave | Doc, killing an infidel? |
| 16:15.05 | doc|work | Dave: infidels never carried swords in WWII :) |
| 16:15.06 | juri_ | doc: he had a story, but i've forgotten most of it, and assume parts are embelishment, anyways. |
| 16:15.17 | doc|work | juri_: hah, was he in the pacific? |
| 16:15.23 | Dave | right |
| 16:15.27 | Dave | jungle warfare? |
| 16:15.30 | juri_ | that much i can confirm. :) |
| 16:15.34 | Dave | Held up a pawn shop? :D |
| 16:15.37 | doc|work | ok, that can make some sense |
| 16:15.39 | doc|work | Dave: hah |
| 16:15.39 | Dave | rolls his eyes and laughs. |
| 16:15.42 | joss | juri_: dare to try out? http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/chinook/user/s/skype/ |
| 16:15.57 | juri_ | joss: no thanks. non-free. :) |
| 16:16.05 | doc|work | stabs skype |
| 16:16.09 | Dave | YES |
| 16:16.15 | joss | ok, some other guy? |
| 16:16.20 | Dave | Down with the unbelievers! |
| 16:16.27 | Dave | Oh, and their terrible applications :] |
| 16:16.39 | doc|work | joss: you might have better luck in #maemo |
| 16:16.41 | joss | juri__: that balrog-k1n referred to images, those seem to be deb binaries |
| 16:17.13 | juri_ | joss: most of us had to upgrade to a new OS, thats only available as a image, and you have to enter the serial of your unit to download it. |
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| 16:17.20 | juri_ | i think thats what he was refering to. |
| 16:17.25 | joss | doc|work: i am not interested much about that tablet, more to see if those skype binaries run on other embedded systems |
| 16:17.45 | doc|work | ah |
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| 16:18.20 | balrog-k1n | the serial for the image downloads is googlable |
| 16:18.27 | joss | hehe |
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| 16:19.55 | Dave | googlable? |
| 16:20.08 | Dave | Oy. |
| 16:23.55 | joss | doc|work: but actually i do not see a reason why they should not, possibly some other libc version symbol lib needed and any other dep! |
| 16:24.04 | joss | doc|work: openmoko is arm based also, yes? |
| 16:25.30 | balrog-k1n | joss: armv4 |
| 16:26.03 | balrog-k1n | joss: maemo packages are built for armv5, but i'm sure skype isn't being built together with the rest of maemo |
| 16:26.51 | doc|work | joss: yep, and no idea. |
| 16:26.55 | balrog-k1n | plus a lot of armv5 can be emulated in the kernel on armv4 (i do that at the moment so that i don't need two different cross toolchains on the desktop) |
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| 16:29.00 | joss | ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 , but deps other then dbus/gstreamer are not seen, guess ldd-in from host i686 just does not work, but i assume it should be qtopia based |
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| 16:29.33 | mjr | probably not |
| 16:30.07 | joss | mjr: probably not qtopia based? |
| 16:30.15 | mjr | indeed |
| 16:31.16 | joss | Skype and Opera have long been mainstays of Nokia's Maemo-based Tablet OS series, albeit likely with built-in Qt libraries or else |
| 16:31.19 | joss | from linux/devices |
| 16:31.36 | joss | err, linuxdevices.org |
| 16:32.58 | mjr | so indeed not |
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| 16:33.55 | webar7 | the reason I ask is cause some companies want some kind of "backend" they can run (??) ... equivalent to blackberry enterprise server or something |
| 16:34.03 | webar7 | so |
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| 16:34.41 | webar7 | why not give them what they think they want :) |
| 16:34.45 | webar7 | http://www.mokoloco.net/ |
| 16:35.31 | joss | webar7: weird stuff |
| 16:35.50 | webar7 | haha |
| 16:35.57 | webar7 | that's just a joke site :) |
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| 16:37.14 | webar7 | I think the idea was to show that pretty much anything BlackBerry does openmoko could do .... |
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| 16:37.20 | webar7 | for less that 70billion :) |
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| 16:38.23 | joss | mjr: so you think it is gtk? |
| 16:38.37 | goodwill|nap | I still do not understand why blackberry got sued |
| 16:38.45 | webar7 | openmoko (and its ilk to come) are more reason to worry about RIM's shareprice than friggin' iPhone ... but I guess that's too "long term" for day traderz |
| 16:38.54 | goodwill|nap | I am not sure you can patent email nowadays |
| 16:39.01 | webar7 | goodwill|nap, idiots grant patents |
| 16:39.19 | goodwill | I know that much |
| 16:39.25 | goodwill | but its basically email |
| 16:39.29 | webar7 | of course RIM now has a *new shiny* patentable technology ... sigh |
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| 16:39.57 | goodwill | again what is that? email? |
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| 16:40.15 | webar7 | goodwill, most likely because the judge didn't understand that "wireless email" is not a thing that is really uhh patentable |
| 16:41.19 | webar7 | goodwill, yeah "email over wireless but totally unique and different than what you are thinking" |
| 16:42.31 | xming | goes to patent wireless IRC |
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| 16:42.36 | doc|work | well, imap push is a server side thing so OM need not worry about that |
| 16:42.37 | webar7 | hehe |
| 16:42.59 | webar7 | xming, go for paper as well while you're at it |
| 16:43.16 | webar7 | AFAIK most people forgot to patent a lot of communications done "over paper" |
| 16:43.19 | faern | or boiling water |
| 16:43.41 | faern | that would be sweet to own the patent for :D |
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| 16:43.42 | xming | patents irc over drumsets |
| 16:43.43 | doc|work | I already have that one |
| 16:44.01 | webar7 | irc over voice |
| 16:44.04 | Qwell | xming: I think russellb has prior art on that one |
| 16:44.18 | webar7 | live irc using human voices |
| 16:44.28 | xming | Qwell: are you sure? I really mean IRC, not just chat :p |
| 16:44.32 | drumkilla | yes, i did that :-p |
| 16:44.34 | Qwell | see above |
| 16:44.35 | webar7 | i.e. I have a patent on ... "meetings" |
| 16:44.52 | webar7 | which I argue are the same as IRC over voice |
| 16:45.04 | webar7 | since most do not use roberts rules etc |
| 16:45.07 | russellb | voice under IP is so much better than Voice over IP |
| 16:45.18 | webar7 | meetings in the hallway meetings in the street |
| 16:45.19 | webar7 | etc |
| 16:46.49 | webar7 | the lawyer said forget trying to enforce that patent ... anyway since we evolved from apes there's prior art |
| 16:47.28 | webar7 | I say we just gotta find a fundamentalist christian judge and *kaching* |
| 16:47.39 | xming | patetns the wireless 1-2-many many-2-1 many-2-many communication with a orinary keyboard and a shinny thing |
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| 16:48.15 | xming | webar7: lol |
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| 16:49.59 | webar7 | damn! we forgot the shiny thing .... |
| 16:50.06 | webar7 | nooooo .... |
| 16:50.43 | goodwill | hehe |
| 16:50.52 | goodwill | all your shinny things belong to us? |
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| 17:00.05 | netsurf3 | hmm |
| 17:00.15 | netsurf3 | i find the openmoko very tempting |
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| 17:00.26 | doc|work | but... |
| 17:00.40 | netsurf3 | i need 3g on the freerunner |
| 17:00.49 | netsurf3 | and i'd love to be able to run it in some kind of emulator |
| 17:00.53 | mjr | well you won't have it |
| 17:00.58 | netsurf3 | i know :( |
| 17:01.09 | mjr | well you can, but that's not what you really want, as it's slow |
| 17:01.25 | netsurf3 | you mean gprs? |
| 17:01.41 | netsurf3 | or running the openmoko in an emulator |
| 17:01.45 | mjr | no, emulator |
| 17:01.54 | netsurf3 | how slow is slow? |
| 17:02.01 | SpeedEvil | mjr: barring USB |
| 17:02.09 | SpeedEvil | netsurf3: 10-40% of real |
| 17:02.15 | mjr | barring. |
| 17:02.16 | SpeedEvil | netsurf3: dependisng on your CPU |
| 17:02.16 | netsurf3 | thats not too bad |
| 17:02.24 | netsurf3 | 2700+ |
| 17:02.26 | netsurf3 | amd |
| 17:02.33 | mjr | netsurf3, what you want is to compile openmoko for x86 and run it natively on your desktop. |
| 17:02.41 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - that. |
| 17:02.46 | mjr | for most thing that you do on the desktop, anyway |
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| 17:02.47 | netsurf3 | hmm |
| 17:03.05 | SpeedEvil | Taht will give adequate performance on anything over a P100. |
| 17:03.07 | mjr | (there may be some niches were an emulator could be useful) |
| 17:03.22 | SpeedEvil | giggles at the concept of compiling OM on a P100. |
| 17:03.24 | netsurf3 | i basically want to see what the interface is like |
| 17:03.29 | netsurf3 | actually |
| 17:03.32 | netsurf3 | thinking about it |
| 17:03.36 | netsurf3 | i have a laptop kicking around |
| 17:03.47 | netsurf3 | the original mmx p1 |
| 17:03.54 | netsurf3 | 64mb ram though |
| 17:03.56 | mjr | of course, then there's the thing that "which interface" ;] |
| 17:04.01 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 17:04.02 | russellb | just use qemu, heh |
| 17:04.05 | SpeedEvil | There are about 3 |
| 17:04.10 | netsurf3 | hmm |
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| 17:04.28 | netsurf3 | is there an easy way of doing this ? qemu would be fine |
| 17:04.30 | netsurf3 | or vbox |
| 17:04.42 | russellb | it's on the wiki |
| 17:04.50 | netsurf3 | what are the search terms? |
| 17:04.59 | netsurf3 | i'd be very interested in playing with this |
| 17:05.30 | pyknite | netsurf3: there is a link on the home page of wiki.openmoko.org |
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| 17:06.07 | russellb | this is one such guide ... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu |
| 17:06.30 | russellb | there are other pages that cover it .. |
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| 17:10.21 | nuclear_eclipse | russellb: is there any easy way to do that without needing to install that monster package list? |
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| 17:10.36 | Sup3rkiddo | who has fso imaged flashed here, need a little help |
| 17:11.08 | russellb | nuclear_eclipse: some of them dont' look required, by YMMV |
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| 17:18.19 | Sup3rkiddo | anyone know if wakealarm can be -1? |
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| 17:39.23 | webar7 | there's qemu image of OM emulator?!? |
| 17:39.33 | webar7 | me want |
| 17:40.25 | kdean06 | webar7, wiki.openmoko.org search "MokoMakefile". |
| 17:41.00 | webar7 | .. |
| 17:41.02 | webar7 | yee |
| 17:41.04 | webar7 | haw |
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| 17:47.25 | troy_ | about to setup a dev environment for OM, choosing between Ubuntu 8.04 Desktop and 8.04 server... any advantage with a gui? I am only trying to port some device drivers. |
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| 17:51.00 | Lipatden | Hi all, has the full wlan stack for Atheros been ported to OM? |
| 17:51.27 | mjr | different atheros from what you're thinking |
| 17:51.49 | Lipatden | mjr: ah, how so? |
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| 18:02.03 | cozub | hi |
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| 18:21.56 | henkie | hi, ppl here with experience with www.pulster.de ? |
| 18:22.52 | cozub | henkie: soon I'll get some :)) |
| 18:23.20 | henkie | cozub, hehe, ok |
| 18:23.36 | henkie | i find it kinda strange they dont have ssl, so a little wary |
| 18:24.13 | henkie | but the price seemed right to me :) |
| 18:24.26 | henkie | and they have already sold out for the first batch |
| 18:24.30 | wurp2 | They don't have ssl on the store? |
| 18:24.45 | wurp2 | I would never send my CC info over an open connection... |
| 18:24.45 | henkie | wurp2, not that i could find |
| 18:24.59 | henkie | wurp2, they dont accept cc, but a wire transfer |
| 18:25.12 | henkie | but still |
| 18:25.14 | cozub | well, I'm part of a "group order"-kind-of, so we're buying from them, but I haven't communicated with them myself |
| 18:25.21 | wurp2 | Sending your checking acct info over open connection is even more dangerous |
| 18:25.29 | cozub | yet I believe we basically ordered by mail, paid by money order |
| 18:25.40 | wurp2 | Since you can contest a CC charge |
| 18:25.52 | henkie | wurp2, i believe they will send you the account info where to send to |
| 18:25.57 | wurp2 | ah, sending it by mail should be no prob |
| 18:25.59 | TAsn | do you think openmoko will get sold out quickly in europe or can i take my time with buying it? (kinda equivalent to "how many units were sent?") |
| 18:26.20 | wurp2 | TAsn: the UK company that johnl & Tig| bought from was sold out |
| 18:26.35 | TAsn | damn. :\ |
| 18:26.41 | henkie | same with pulstart |
| 18:26.43 | henkie | -r |
| 18:26.56 | henkie | uh, www.pulster.de :) |
| 18:26.59 | abraxa__ | TAsn: I don't think any EU distributor has any stock left. |
| 18:27.54 | TAsn | abraxa__, sucks to be me :( |
| 18:28.12 | abraxa__ | You can still pre-order and hope |
| 18:28.19 | TAsn | hehe |
| 18:28.29 | wurp2 | No one in the US has yet had a purchase option, even |
| 18:28.34 | LionKMP | the other DE shop said they can give me 30 by 15th, so it does not take too much |
| 18:28.38 | wurp2 | You EU guys are so spoiled |
| 18:28.56 | cozub | lol :) |
| 18:28.58 | wurp2 | Of course, it's a little more expensive over there :-) |
| 18:29.03 | TAsn | i just saw that the french site is much more expensive than the british one. |
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| 18:29.18 | henkie | LionKMP, whicck shop? |
| 18:29.47 | TAsn | wurp2, i wish you could say that about me, but im sad since im not from the eu, and my uncle is coming from the eu for a visit and i hoped he may bring me one ;\ |
| 18:30.05 | LionKMP | henkie: Golden Delicious Computers |
| 18:30.11 | wurp2 | TAsn: And you didn't mind if it's EU frequencies instead of US? |
| 18:30.32 | wurp2 | Or are the EU shops offering a way to buy 850/1900 ones? |
| 18:30.34 | TAsn | wurp2, im not from the us either... i need the 900 |
| 18:30.39 | henkie | hmm, 350 euro |
| 18:30.44 | wurp2 | TAsn: heh |
| 18:30.47 | TAsn | wurp2, :) |
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| 18:31.25 | LionKMP | henkie: I got better price for 10 packs, but I think you also have to ask them for offer. (And that 350 includes puche and headset) |
| 18:31.58 | LionKMP | (I mean, if you have a group of buyers.) |
| 18:32.25 | TAsn | see, that's why i am said i don't think moko will ever get here. furthermore for some reason ffc and efc (is it called efc?) are not sufficient where i live so customs will probably won't let an order go through. :( |
| 18:32.35 | LionKMP | ehm, pouche and headset is included in single too. I mean, the group buyer may mean better price. |
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| 18:32.56 | cozub | btw. pulster.de, if I understand it correctly, doesn't give a s... about that bulk (10) offer... they can offer some discount for huge sale (30+ or something like that), but to get puch/headset, you have to financially bleed... the same with debug board |
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| 18:33.12 | henkie | from pulster.de :What you get: new Openmoko Freerunner unit, complete accessories included: rechargable battery, USB connectivity cable, power charger with three plugs, memory card (512mb microSD with adapter), stylus. |
| 18:33.34 | cozub | Iopted for debug board, but went w/o pouch/headset, as the prices seemed unreasonable to me |
| 18:33.46 | LionKMP | yes. however I got free shipping offer for 30 to Hungary. :) |
| 18:33.53 | TAsn | from bearstech you also get a pouch and an headset, that's why it's so costy. ;\ |
| 18:34.09 | henkie | cozub, ok, if i want a headset, i'd better go with Golden delicious? |
| 18:34.21 | LionKMP | puche price is the same as I paid here for my Moto's "bag". |
| 18:34.30 | LionKMP | tired :-p |
| 18:34.31 | henkie | would make it a lot easier :) |
| 18:34.58 | cozub | henkie: no idead about the other, but in pulster you have to buy them extra, check their web, it's listed there (now I'm in a text-terminal only... can't check and don't rememberm all I remember was my eye popping out bc of the price :)) ) |
| 18:35.21 | henkie | cozub, i see, phone itself costs 299 there |
| 18:35.22 | cozub | LionKMP: maybe I'm just too poor :) |
| 18:35.29 | henkie | i'll do some more checking |
| 18:35.47 | LionKMP | pulster: 299 Euro + 19 + 9 for pouche+headset, Deli: 350 all together. Do the math :-p |
| 18:37.07 | LionKMP | I asked for a 30pack from both, and Deli had a better offer at the end. :-) (I wonder how much of the 30 GroupSales signups are real!) |
| 18:37.58 | cozub | LionKMP: you're managing a 30 phone group sale? |
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| 18:38.05 | LionKMP | yes |
| 18:38.09 | cozub | good luck :) |
| 18:38.21 | cozub | in CZ group the guy collected the $ first |
| 18:38.27 | cozub | so I wonder if he's real =)) |
| 18:38.45 | LionKMP | :D if won't go well, I do a single order and give a shit about the rest. |
| 18:38.45 | LionKMP | hope nothing bad happened, did it?! |
| 18:39.06 | cozub | nah, it seems ok |
| 18:39.10 | cozub | so far |
| 18:39.11 | LionKMP | he needs to collect, it would be difficult to pay 10*299 from pocket |
| 18:39.20 | cozub | yeah, I understand |
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| 18:39.37 | cozub | it's just that you say you hope they're real... and from my perspective it's the other way ("he's real") |
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| 18:40.03 | LionKMP | lol I see, yep. |
| 18:40.05 | smhar | greetings to all |
| 18:40.41 | LionKMP | actually it would be easier to do individual orders maybe... |
| 18:40.59 | LionKMP | the price difference is so far from the "promised", much less, from these resellers. |
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| 18:41.27 | LionKMP | greetings smhar |
| 18:41.39 | smhar | does anyone knows of a reseller that ships internationally? |
| 18:42.02 | henkie | all in would cost me around 370 euro, with a fancy pants headset |
| 18:42.28 | smhar | I can not hold myself to wit for the openmoko store to open :-) |
| 18:42.34 | LionKMP | anyway, is that headset real? how do we talk into a normal 3.5mm Jack ? |
| 18:42.42 | SpeedEvil | You know about the frequency thing smhar ? |
| 18:43.05 | smhar | SpeedEvil, no, what is it? |
| 18:43.06 | LionKMP | smhar: what do you mean "international"? The German distributors supply EU. (maybe even more, let me check) |
| 18:43.17 | LionKMP | which country you need? |
| 18:43.25 | SpeedEvil | smhar: you can't use a EU version in the US reliably |
| 18:43.30 | smhar | LionKMP, Bahrain |
| 18:43.38 | TAsn | i really don't know whether i want to order yet or not :\ |
| 18:43.47 | SpeedEvil | smhar: it's a 3 band phone, the EU and US ve3rsions differ |
| 18:44.27 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: ping |
| 18:44.33 | smhar | SpeedEvil, from what I know, we are mostly following EU starndards, but how to check? |
| 18:44.37 | ieatlint | the 850mhz band the US version offers is useless depending on your provider and location |
| 18:44.55 | SpeedEvil | smhar: find out from somewhere if your country uses 850 or 900MHz |
| 18:44.57 | smhar | we use the 900 |
| 18:45.08 | LionKMP | smhar: you could call your current provider and ask what frequency they use. |
| 18:45.11 | SpeedEvil | smhar: Ok - then you do need the EU version, and the US version may not work |
| 18:45.19 | LionKMP | oh, yep :-) |
| 18:45.58 | ieatlint | does anyone know if there was a further update on the pick-up offer in the US? |
| 18:46.04 | LionKMP | http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Shipping |
| 18:46.12 | smhar | greet, but if the EU distributors only sell to within EU, how can I get one? will the openmoko store offer both with the option to choose |
| 18:46.29 | SpeedEvil | smhar: I have no idea. |
| 18:46.31 | LionKMP | smhar: check my link, that has a "wordwide" selection. |
| 18:46.33 | TAsn | smhar, eu do not sell only to the eu |
| 18:46.38 | TAsn | some of them anyway. |
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| 18:46.44 | SpeedEvil | smhar: what happens if you try to aask for elsewhere shipping |
| 18:47.45 | LionKMP | send a mail to their sales address, they will kindly help and give you exact price if you give location. sales@handheld-linux.com |
| 18:48.15 | wurp2 | But presumably if you buy from the EU, you pay EU prices even though you don't need (and may not get?) the EU dictated warranties |
| 18:49.09 | LionKMP | ask sales@, I don't know. However outside EU they decrease the Gernam VAT and you pay that locally. (19% I think) |
| 18:49.18 | LionKMP | 19% the German, I mean. |
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| 18:50.52 | TAsn | is it usable as a day to day phone? (only calls, battery life, alarm clock, sms, contacts and calender) |
| 18:51.15 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: hold off a month or two maybe |
| 18:51.31 | wurp2 | Does anyone know how suspend/resume are working on the FR with the shipped software? |
| 18:51.55 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, not usable yet? what does it lacking? |
| 18:52.20 | wurp2 | TAsn: Mostly battery life, but stable calls are an issue too. |
| 18:52.33 | TAsn | wurp2, ouch. :\ |
| 18:52.42 | wurp2 | And that's using ScaredyCat's release; I'm not sure if any OM release offers very much of your list right now :-( |
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| 18:52.51 | jandark | behdad, ping |
| 18:52.56 | wurp2 | They did (except battery life) a couple of months ago |
| 18:53.13 | LionKMP | then you can download those images :) |
| 18:53.29 | TAsn | wurp2, i c, do they ship with the couple of months ago version? |
| 18:53.34 | wurp2 | LionKMP: Yeah, unless you want to install other apps |
| 18:53.50 | TAsn | what about pyneo and asu? |
| 18:54.03 | wurp2 | LionKMP: 'cause then some of your base libraries will get updated, then you're screwed (speaking from experience) |
| 18:54.14 | wurp2 | TAsn: Sorry, dunno about what ships on FR |
| 18:54.20 | LionKMP | wurp2: ok, I see. |
| 18:54.21 | wurp2 | asu == teh broken right now |
| 18:54.42 | LionKMP | FR ships the GTK stuff afaik, not ASU at all. |
| 18:54.47 | behdad | jandark: pong |
| 18:54.48 | wurp2 | By pyneo I guess you mean underground/zad, and I think it is stable for calls, but I'm not sure what all is in there |
| 18:54.54 | LionKMP | would be unfunny :) |
| 18:54.57 | jandark | behdad, migam openmoko kharidi ? |
| 18:55.06 | TAsn | LionKMP, the couple of months old not developed since gtk? |
| 18:55.15 | LionKMP | 04.21. |
| 18:55.27 | behdad | jandark: na |
| 18:55.34 | LionKMP | but you are free to update any time to an unstable ASU image :-p |
| 18:55.49 | LionKMP | does reflashing clear my DATA? |
| 18:55.54 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:56.03 | SpeedEvil | all that's stored on the root fs |
| 18:56.07 | LionKMP | can I export / import? would be cool :) |
| 18:56.08 | wurp2 | LionKMP: Reflashing doesn't touch the sd card, but flattens everything on, well, flash |
| 18:56.12 | SpeedEvil | However, uou can put it on the SD |
| 18:56.27 | SpeedEvil | Or on a USB hard drive. |
| 18:56.37 | wurp2 | The first thing I do after installing an image is rmdir /home/root and ln -s it to /media/card/home/root |
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| 18:56.48 | LionKMP | put sms-es and numbers and so on on SD? how copy some files? |
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| 18:56.56 | LionKMP | wurp2: wow |
| 18:56.57 | LionKMP | nice |
| 18:57.22 | LionKMP | like we do with a separate /home partition on a desktop |
| 18:57.36 | LionKMP | is everything running as root? why? is that final? |
| 18:57.52 | SpeedEvil | LionKMP: because nobodies fixed it |
| 18:58.10 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, reasonable enough. |
| 18:58.12 | SpeedEvil | LionKMP: it's easier to dev for if you don't have to think about user/root splits. |
| 18:59.01 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, well making groups and granting privileges isn't supposed to be that hard. |
| 18:59.05 | LionKMP | I see. I think that would be cool to fix anyway. |
| 18:59.17 | LionKMP | yes, and suidroot for a few exe |
| 18:59.24 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: Doing it right is hard. |
| 18:59.44 | LionKMP | user programs on X shouldn't write to /etc and so on anyway. |
| 19:00.04 | LionKMP | well, that leads too far, let's leave it for later ;-) |
| 19:00.08 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, doing it right is just decisions, the actual split isn't supposed to be hard. |
| 19:00.09 | SpeedEvil | That's not so much the issue. |
| 19:00.23 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: it also gets into policy. |
| 19:00.50 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: for example - I might wish to give my child or mom a locked phone that they couldn't do much more than run installed apps on. |
| 19:01.14 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: they could not install apps, run untrusted software, or remove certain features. |
| 19:03.02 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, of course, though the main issue is protecting the system from malicious code and preventing code from touching stuff it should not. |
| 19:03.15 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: ping |
| 19:03.16 | TAsn | splitting to users is a whole different issue. |
| 19:03.59 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: pöng |
| 19:04.17 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: Is there any documentation on the fso UI? E.g. what status bars live where, how to suspend, etc? |
| 19:05.24 | `pwgen` | wurp2: ask mickeyl. he is the one . and think he would say look at freesmartphone.org |
| 19:06.17 | mickeyl | wurp2: unfortunately there's no documentation for the FSO UI at this point, since all our energy goes into the framework :( |
| 19:06.21 | mickeyl | I'm really sorry about that |
| 19:06.35 | mickeyl | but i have only so little manpower |
| 19:06.36 | wurp2 | OK, np |
| 19:06.37 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: i am playing with the last andy branch an got problems with inputdevices ( AUX held while its up, and no touchscreen ) |
| 19:06.38 | wurp2 | surely |
| 19:07.06 | mickeyl | i'd love to work more on the UI, but for now the lower layers need my full attention |
| 19:07.22 | mickeyl | and i hope that we all can crank the UI to a real cool thing once the framework is more stable |
| 19:07.37 | wurp2 | I agree - I'm glad you guys are putting the attention where it is now |
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| 19:09.06 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: yeah, that's possible. for me andy branch does not compile at all atm. |
| 19:10.15 | TAsn | do you think an x86 (atom or something) moko will ever be out? :) |
| 19:10.24 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: add in defconfig the touchscreen jitter and disable sound modules gta02 when building for gta01 |
| 19:10.30 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: x86 at the moment has real power problems |
| 19:10.41 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: and the upcoming chips don't quite address that yet |
| 19:10.52 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: do you have a working defconfig laying around? |
| 19:10.53 | kdubois | x86 is soo 90's |
| 19:10.55 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, oh. cool thing to know :) |
| 19:10.56 | LionKMP | can someone configure openmoko.org (mainly LISTS) a way that visited links have another color please?? |
| 19:10.59 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: they are 'low power' if you're coming from the laptop world. |
| 19:11.04 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: sure |
| 19:11.09 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, i c. |
| 19:11.20 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: they are 'high power' if you've been expecting mobile phone battery life. |
| 19:11.46 | TAsn | reasonable enough. |
| 19:11.50 | `pwgen` | i can grab it from my /proc/config.gz (:-)) |
| 19:12.16 | mickeyl | good :) |
| 19:13.12 | `pwgen` | or my new openmoko-develew_git.bb ? |
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| 19:14.00 | aggtrfrad | so whats the battery life? did anyone get the freerunner yet? |
| 19:14.29 | SpeedEvil | alias ba say battery life is a work in progress. The powersaving software is in a very rudimentary state. |
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| 19:15.46 | SpeedEvil | Battery life is a work in progress. The powersaving software is in a very rudimentary state. At the moment 12h is about the most. A week standby and 6 hours talk,20 hours mp3 is probable. |
| 19:16.30 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, 12h standby? |
| 19:16.38 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:16.49 | TAsn | ouch. |
| 19:16.53 | TAsn | no usable at all. |
| 19:16.59 | TAsn | i *will* wait :) |
| 19:17.06 | SpeedEvil | Debatable. |
| 19:17.09 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: That's w/o suspend, presumably? |
| 19:17.21 | SpeedEvil | the first is |
| 19:17.27 | SpeedEvil | 12h |
| 19:17.47 | wurp2 | yeah, that's the one I meant |
| 19:19.22 | doc|work | I'm getting one asap, but any eta on improved power? |
| 19:20.29 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: 4838373*rand() seconds. |
| 19:21.18 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, suspend OOPSes right noow. |
| 19:21.34 | doc|work | heh |
| 19:21.42 | SpeedEvil | Could be someone fixes that and it mostly works tomorrow. |
| 19:21.48 | doc|work | nods |
| 19:22.29 | LionKMP | TAsn: you could use it as a mini home computer meanwhile, I expect a lot of fun from it, until you can DEPEND on it as a full-time phone. :) |
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| 19:23.04 | TAsn | LionKMP, i know, it is supposed to be fun, if you have free time, which i don't, well not enough. |
| 19:23.06 | aggtrfrad | well its more a laptop with a gsm modem hooked up |
| 19:23.18 | TAsn | i may buy it close enough, not sure :) |
| 19:23.22 | TAsn | but i do need a phone. |
| 19:23.39 | LionKMP | TAsn: you are chatting here since something like 3 hours ;-) |
| 19:23.41 | aggtrfrad | but we need at least 18 hours battery so hook it on charge before bedtime |
| 19:23.55 | cozub | I'd like to use it an audio player but I read of a bug on the list causing poor quality |
| 19:24.01 | TAsn | actually 12hr is sufficient for my needs, but still, it's an hard choice to make |
| 19:24.07 | TAsn | LionKMP, touche. |
| 19:24.08 | cozub | it it HW or SW bug? and is there a solution/workaround? |
| 19:24.15 | cozub | (talking bout free runner) |
| 19:24.25 | doc|work | cozub: software |
| 19:24.29 | wurp2 | all sw bugs, except video playback, afaik |
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| 19:24.36 | cozub | ok :) |
| 19:24.48 | doc|work | well, video playback is still usable at 320x240 which is good enough for a screen this size |
| 19:24.54 | TAsn | LionKMP, though im also reading stuff and *insert another random lie here* |
| 19:25.05 | LionKMP | :-D |
| 19:25.24 | LionKMP | I want VICE for it. :) |
| 19:25.29 | doc|work | vice? |
| 19:25.37 | cozub | LionKMP: yeah, would be cool :) |
| 19:25.40 | LionKMP | C64 emulator, just no idea how it could be controlled. |
| 19:25.41 | cozub | c64 foreva :) |
| 19:25.44 | doc|work | ah |
| 19:25.53 | LionKMP | cozub: yep :D |
| 19:26.07 | cozub | LionKMP: via a c64 joystick? :) just somebody would have to come up with a nice hw hack :) |
| 19:26.09 | LionKMP | will need some patches for touchscreen joystick :) |
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| 19:26.31 | HauDyr | TAsn, i see it as a work in progress and if i have to get a little inconvenient for some time its ok because i am helping OpenMoko to break ground |
| 19:26.42 | LionKMP | cozub: hehe lol, I imagine myself on the train travelling with a small phone connected to an old huge jostick |
| 19:26.47 | TAsn | btw has anyone developed anything using the motion detector yet? |
| 19:26.48 | mjr | lion, three hurrays for bluetooth keypads |
| 19:26.52 | cozub | LionKMP: lol :) |
| 19:27.15 | cozub | LionKMP: all absorbed in the gameplay... with poor by-standers in shock :) |
| 19:27.17 | LionKMP | mjr: oh, yes, thanks for reminding. :) |
| 19:27.33 | LionKMP | cozub: LOL |
| 19:27.39 | TAsn | HauDyr, don't get me wrong, im a total openmoko fanboy, i idle here just to see the topic change, and i want that phone, though it is an hard choice to make. |
| 19:27.48 | cozub | lol :) |
| 19:28.43 | cozub | I have to say my fanboism was withering... but then I got a symbian phone @ work... and after exposure to that (all the signing crap, all the DRM et al.) made me look forward FR way more :) |
| 19:28.56 | cozub | so I suggest: write an app for a symbian phone and U'll c :) |
| 19:28.59 | HauDyr | TAsn, when you have a OpenMoko its good to have a backup phone, at least the first couple of years :-) |
| 19:29.00 | doc|work | heh |
| 19:29.26 | doc|work | years might be a bit much, I think there'll be an acceleration of development once the devices properly ship |
| 19:29.33 | doc|work | s/think/hope :) |
| 19:29.55 | cozub | :) |
| 19:30.47 | TAsn | cozub, i know what you mean, while waiting for openmoko and thinking it will never go out i was tempted to buy an n95, and then i met drm. after i a while i was tempted to buy the iphone, and there i met the firmware, that's when i realized my soul needs a fr ;) |
| 19:30.51 | mjr | yeaah I think many of us do :] |
| 19:31.04 | TAsn | HauDyr, you may be right. |
| 19:32.32 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: Souls are not well supported. There have been occasional random damnations. A bug in the Id driver is probably the cause. |
| 19:32.46 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, :) |
| 19:32.49 | doc|work | hah |
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| 19:35.11 | cozub | ohin: hi :) |
| 19:36.54 | cozub | cozub: so how's the order doing? :) |
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| 19:58.31 | TAsn | i just thought about something, the moko can support a webcam, right? |
| 19:59.15 | TAsn | if so, making a mini usb webcam that mounts on that small hole on the bottom isn't supposed to be that hard or is it? |
| 19:59.30 | SpeedEvil | It's not that simple. |
| 20:00.08 | SpeedEvil | But GTA03 is scheduled for a camera |
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| 20:01.53 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: How is it not that simple? USB cam + driver = camera on FR, no? |
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| 20:04.17 | SpeedEvil | Several issues. |
| 20:04.48 | SpeedEvil | All the decent USB webcams require USB2 |
| 20:04.56 | SpeedEvil | At least for higher res. |
| 20:05.07 | SpeedEvil | And USB webcams are large and high power - relatively. |
| 20:05.27 | SpeedEvil | The SoC in the freerunner has a built in camera interface. Butg it's not implemented. |
| 20:05.43 | SpeedEvil | You can get 6*6*4mm cameras. |
| 20:05.59 | LionKMP | "SoC"? what's that? |
| 20:06.01 | SpeedEvil | And USB would need a USB hub or switch |
| 20:06.04 | SpeedEvil | System On Chip |
| 20:06.06 | SpeedEvil | the CPU |
| 20:06.16 | LionKMP | eww, thanks. |
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| 20:06.45 | SpeedEvil | GTA03 has a camera reportedly. |
| 20:07.34 | SpeedEvil | s/has/will have' |
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| 20:08.46 | Dave | Hello SpeedEvils. |
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| 20:09.02 | SpeedEvil | choruses 'Hello'. |
| 20:09.18 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: it's a phone not a camera, the camera is really secondary, so usb2's not *that* important. Save to the microsd and use a card reader if it's that big a deal |
| 20:09.56 | SpeedEvil | The right solution - for GTA03 - is simply to connect the camera on the camera bus. |
| 20:10.19 | wurp2 | doc|work: I don't see the relationship between usb2 and saving to the microsd.. |
| 20:10.40 | wurp2 | Sure, sorry - I jumped into the middle of a conversation and thought it was about putting a webcam on your FR |
| 20:10.40 | doc|work | wurp2: there isn't one. it's an alternative |
| 20:10.58 | Dave | More card slots please. |
| 20:11.04 | wurp2 | Not the right way to integrate a cam into an Neo device if you're OM |
| 20:11.06 | SpeedEvil | USB2 is as the high res cameras all require the imager to be read out in s small fraction of a second. They simply won't let you read them out at USB1.1 speeds, as they are too slow. |
| 20:11.08 | doc|work | oh wait, I thought this was a built in camera |
| 20:11.28 | SpeedEvil | As it is too slow |
| 20:11.34 | wurp2 | doc|work: But I don't see how it's an alternative... are you saying use a separate cam to save to a microsd? |
| 20:11.41 | mjr | *sigh* |
| 20:12.00 | SpeedEvil | I want two cameras, for 3D. |
| 20:12.22 | doc|work | wurp2: sorry, seems it's a standalone camera. I thought it was a built in one and SpeedEvil was talking about transferring images off the fr. My bad. |
| 20:12.53 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - I came in part way though, I was assuming that the talk was of building in cams to FR |
| 20:12.56 | wurp2 | NP, I was just trying to figure out what you were saying :-) |
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| 20:13.18 | doc|work | wurp2: I'm don't know if anyone really knows what was going on :) |
| 20:13.26 | wurp2 | Hey, I have an idea! Let's all start participating in a conversation, each actually talking about slightly different things! |
| 20:13.34 | doc|work | pffft |
| 20:13.37 | doc|work | been there, done that |
| 20:13.41 | doc|work | needs a t-shirt |
| 20:13.55 | doc|work | anyway, cameras aren't necessary in phones :) |
| 20:14.16 | cozub | while a console is :) |
| 20:14.43 | doc|work | nah, I have a camera if I want to take photos, a phone is a computer :) |
| 20:14.43 | wurp2 | Yeah, but with a high speed internet connection, and lots of image processing power on the other end, you can do LOTS of cool stuff with a camera on a phone |
| 20:14.50 | doc|work | wurp2: aye |
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| 20:15.25 | TAsn | wurp2, that's what i was thinking. |
| 20:15.42 | TAsn | well when is gta03 scheduled to go out at anyway? |
| 20:15.51 | wurp2 | no schedule |
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| 20:15.54 | mjr | in a long, long time |
| 20:16.02 | wurp2 | I think they learned their lesson about schedules |
| 20:16.12 | wurp2 | You publish them after you have a market ready product ;-) |
| 20:16.31 | TAsn | mjr, more than an year? |
| 20:16.36 | textshell | wurp2: they always said the schedules are not worth much. |
| 20:16.56 | wurp2 | textshell: Sure, but that didn't stop people from complaining vociferously when they were not met |
| 20:16.57 | textshell | And i think the neo hasn't been that bad on schedule. iirc. |
| 20:17.03 | doc|work | yeah, they never really had schedules |
| 20:17.05 | wurp2 | FR? |
| 20:17.10 | textshell | wurp2: yes, some people don't get it. |
| 20:17.22 | wurp2 | textshell: I heard it would be out "soon" in August of last year |
| 20:17.44 | textshell | wurp2: last year was most likely about the neo. |
| 20:17.49 | wurp2 | I'm just glad i bought my 01 in December |
| 20:17.54 | wurp2 | textshell: Nope |
| 20:18.03 | ajbrun | textshell - it was supposed to be out in october |
| 20:18.06 | TAsn | textshell, it's like saying a will buy you a cake though i can't promise |
| 20:18.07 | ajbrun | then december |
| 20:18.25 | TAsn | if you don't get a cake, you are sad because you thought you will have one |
| 20:18.25 | TAsn | ;) |
| 20:18.30 | textshell | anyway, people complain way to much about that. |
| 20:18.35 | wurp2 | agreed |
| 20:18.42 | textshell | There's more important things... |
| 20:18.53 | TAsn | textshell, people complain way too much period. |
| 20:19.16 | textshell | TAsn: sometimes i like to complain too ;) |
| 20:19.25 | TAsn | i remember i wanted to buy the gta01 when it will be ready |
| 20:19.27 | LionKMP | if everybody waits for gta03 there will not be gta03 :-p |
| 20:19.33 | TAsn | :) |
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| 20:19.45 | TAsn | LionKMP, you are very insightful today :) |
| 20:19.48 | TAsn | i agree. |
| 20:19.57 | LionKMP | Sean wrote that on the mailing list :-) |
| 20:20.15 | TAsn | that's why im getting myself a fr asap (or at least i want to) |
| 20:20.25 | troy_ | what does gta stand for? |
| 20:20.30 | LionKMP | great! ;) |
| 20:20.34 | TAsn | will it be possible to buy a 900 moko in the us?\ |
| 20:20.37 | textshell | LionKMP: we can be sure that not everybody waits ;) |
| 20:21.08 | TAsn | textshell, prisoner dilemma at it's best :) |
| 20:21.29 | TAsn | multiplayer version |
| 20:21.49 | LionKMP | Generic Telephone Appliance |
| 20:21.51 | troy_ | nobody say grand theft auto... ;) |
| 20:21.57 | troy_ | thx |
| 20:22.09 | LionKMP | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA there are some doubts anyway :-p |
| 20:22.27 | textshell | and neo is not about what we think, yes,. |
| 20:22.42 | LionKMP | ? |
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| 20:23.32 | LionKMP | isn't it Mr Anderson Freerunner? |
| 20:23.48 | textshell | i'm just trying to semi quote something from the very early presentations about neo/openmoko... Way to long ago. |
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| 20:23.59 | wurp2 | neo = new |
| 20:24.18 | wurp2 | new 1973, the new mobile phone (1st mobile was in 1973) |
| 20:24.21 | HauDyr | n.e.o = o.n.e :-) |
| 20:24.22 | LionKMP | yep, that's ok. but any product could get the name Neo then :) |
| 20:24.33 | LionKMP | HauDyr: wow! :D |
| 20:24.34 | wurp2 | Of course, the old ones had a feature none of the new ones do |
| 20:24.46 | TAsn | another and now looks more likely possibility is that GTA03 is an updated version of GTA02 without the (compromised) Glamo chip |
| 20:24.49 | wurp2 | You could crush a man's skull with one swift swing |
| 20:24.51 | Qwell | wurp2: like doubling as a hammer? |
| 20:24.52 | TAsn | so it will be out soon? |
| 20:25.03 | TAsn | what's the deal with the glamo chip? |
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| 20:26.02 | textshell | galmo seems to have a really bad memory bus. |
| 20:26.10 | LionKMP | me too |
| 20:26.21 | LionKMP | :-p |
| 20:27.34 | LionKMP | so what then? I never watched a movie on my phone before, did you? |
| 20:28.06 | LionKMP | (I am not saying it won't be possible, I don't know, I just say, I don't worry about it.) |
| 20:28.39 | textshell | LionKMP: my DECT phones are not for watching movies, i'll use the PC next to it ;) |
| 20:28.56 | TAsn | LionKMP, but i heard watching a movie will work. |
| 20:29.18 | TAsn | you just need to transcode it to a certain format. |
| 20:29.54 | LionKMP | that's nice |
| 20:30.15 | TAsn | LionKMP, watching a movie while in a trip is a big bonus. |
| 20:30.45 | TAsn | same goes for watching a youtube video on the phone |
| 20:30.50 | LionKMP | I think OpenMoko is making a very bad marketing strategy by talking about next versions while just releasing the current one. |
| 20:30.56 | LionKMP | does Intel do that? or Apple? |
| 20:31.07 | TAsn | LionKMP, i think you are right |
| 20:31.34 | TAsn | but i guess it's part of the openness |
| 20:31.34 | TAsn | :) |
| 20:31.41 | LionKMP | hehe :-D |
| 20:31.46 | wurp2 | Are they talking much about the next version now? |
| 20:31.52 | balrog-k1n | LionKMP: it's a consequence of having all the discussions publicly |
| 20:32.00 | TAsn | wurp2, not sure, im not part of the mailing link |
| 20:32.01 | wurp2 | I think the community is bringing it up |
| 20:32.01 | mjr | they should emphasize more that it's way out there |
| 20:32.07 | mjr | wurp2, yes, it is |
| 20:32.24 | LionKMP | balrog-k1n: well, that's true. |
| 20:32.26 | TAsn | but gta04 is being referred in the wiki. |
| 20:32.36 | balrog-k1n | they don't really advertise gta03 or gta04, but they are open about their plans and they are planning early which is good |
| 20:32.38 | wurp2 | But anyone can edit the wiki... |
| 20:32.46 | balrog-k1n | i'm sure intel and apple plan much into the future too |
| 20:32.53 | textshell | LionKMP: i think it's cool that they tal. |
| 20:32.57 | textshell | +k |
| 20:33.14 | TAsn | balrog-k1n, iphone 7g is coming out in 2064? |
| 20:33.20 | textshell | LionKMP: Technology 101, there's always that really great new, better system just around the corner. |
| 20:33.35 | mjr | I don't think the gta03 is much of a distraction for potential customers anyway... It's not like it's going to be a major enhancement. |
| 20:33.43 | balrog-k1n | TAsn: this information is probably internal at the moment :) |
| 20:33.43 | LionKMP | yes, but they are not pushing the customers to think into waiting for the next version. |
| 20:33.45 | TAsn | textshell, and that's exactly what's killing me :) |
| 20:34.08 | textshell | And it's even a prerequisit to openness, if you code in the open people will see most of the things to come anyway. And if you don't you hurt your community. |
| 20:34.10 | mjr | and the potential customer base right now isn't your usual ones anyway |
| 20:34.50 | LionKMP | I am sure I can use GTA03 software on my GTA02, so that's enough for me. |
| 20:34.56 | textshell | TAsn: learn to cope. There's no way around that. For high tech there's only living in the now. |
| 20:35.13 | textshell | at least for buying decisions. |
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| 20:35.34 | TAsn | LionKMP, as they said, the main diff will be the glamo chip. |
| 20:35.40 | TAsn | textshell, i know. |
| 20:36.32 | TAsn | Sorry for going back to my earlier Q, but will it be possible to buy an EU compatible moko in the us? |
| 20:37.24 | LionKMP | order from EU distributor, why not? |
| 20:37.34 | TAsn | LionKMP, costs a lot more. |
| 20:37.36 | LionKMP | will you be able to use it? |
| 20:37.53 | TAsn | i need the 900 brand |
| 20:38.16 | TAsn | and i think buying in the us (im not from the us, though i have relatives there) will be a lot cheaper. |
| 20:38.20 | textshell | TAsn: i think the openmoko.com webshop is supposed to offer both. |
| 20:38.42 | TAsn | textshell, cool :) it's supposed to open this week, right? |
| 20:39.09 | textshell | schedules ;). But yes, not to far future. |
| 20:39.16 | LionKMP | :-) |
| 20:39.27 | TAsn | textshell, right... i forgot ;0 |
| 20:39.34 | TAsn | well i can wait a week. |
| 20:39.47 | wurp2 | TAsn: I think not until next Monday |
| 20:40.08 | wurp2 | There was some note about them taking this week as holiday |
| 20:41.22 | TAsn | well, that's fine with me, as i said, i can wait :) |
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| 21:21.51 | kuzgun | while using mokomakefile to make a openmoko-devel-image, what should I do for freerunner |
| 21:22.24 | kuzgun | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Building_Openmoko_with_MokoMakefile says make setup but in the makefile targets like set-meachine-gta0X exist |
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| 21:31.00 | kdean06 | kuzgun, make setup and then edit build/conf/local.conf from gta01 to gta02. |
| 21:31.10 | kdean06 | The make openmoko-devel-image |
| 21:31.48 | kuzgun | ok |
| 21:31.49 | kdean06 | There's a few other tips (like making MokoMakefile multi-core aware and limiting locales that are built) on the wiki page for MokoMakefile. |
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| 21:34.16 | kuzgun | yes I saw, no problem for me ( at least now ) thanks kdean06 |
| 21:36.55 | kuzgun | and what about OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.dev |
| 21:36.56 | kuzgun | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.56 | kuzgun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:37.07 | kuzgun | the first one is 2007.2 ? |
| 21:37.51 | Hydrant | Hey all, I just read about the Neo Freerunner.... very cool... definitely want one! |
| 21:38.12 | Hydrant | I've been waiting for a FOSS phone! |
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| 21:39.35 | kuzgun | so you found it Hydrant :) |
| 21:39.55 | Hydrant | I'm really excited... as in ready to order one today :-) |
| 21:40.08 | Hydrant | thought I'd lurk here for a minute until I contain myself :-) |
| 21:40.29 | AVee | Just 1 minute? Well thats acceptable ;) |
| 21:40.32 | russellb | hey you, put your pants back on |
| 21:40.38 | Hydrant | (I'm a hardcore FOSS person, so I haven't been able to own a cell phone since most of them run junk) |
| 21:40.38 | chris_debian | :-) |
| 21:40.56 | chris_debian | I think we all appreciate your thoughts. |
| 21:41.55 | kdean06 | kuzgun, The asu.dev is only important if you're building the ASU, which I assumed you're not, since you said openmoko-devel-image. |
| 21:41.55 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf1ade2344bd7 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 21:41.55 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ophoned: fix misc. errors due to testing by someone else than the author ;) Thanks Charlie! |
| 21:41.55 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * add dbus error org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.InvalidIndex |
| 21:41.56 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * Invalid Parameters in StoreMessage now recognized |
| 21:41.56 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * teach parser to deal with '+EXT ERROR' specs |
| 21:41.56 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * fix bogus AT command and typo in SimGetPhonebookInfo |
| 21:41.56 | amarsh04 | uses hand-me-down nokias from other family members - my 3810 died in 2007 |
| 21:42.41 | kuzgun | yes kdean06 I have developing an application only ( depends on gtk+, libglade and etc ) so I'll use openmoko-devel-image |
| 21:42.44 | AVee | My current phone is actually 4.5 years old, so it's about time for something new |
| 21:42.49 | Hydrant | I know the dates aren't really up yet, but any idea when the online store will be available? I live in Canada... |
| 21:43.22 | russellb | yesterday |
| 21:43.26 | wurp2 | Hydrant: I think next Monday |
| 21:43.29 | Hydrant | is the project making money off this as well I hope? I actually think I'll get two... one for my gf and one for me ;-) |
| 21:43.31 | Hydrant | sweet! |
| 21:43.59 | wurp2 | Although you could have had a Neo1973 last year :-) |
| 21:44.21 | textshell | Hydrant: too super geeks in one family? Lucky one. |
| 21:44.26 | Hydrant | this one is a lot nicer ;-) |
| 21:44.44 | Hydrant | textshell: thx... I've converted her to FOSS |
| 21:45.10 | wurp2 | Hydrant: Eh... ~2x cpu speed + wifi + accelerometers |
| 21:45.20 | Hydrant | I got EEe PCs as soon as they came out... I try to support places trying to make money off selling Linux devices as much as possible |
| 21:45.23 | wurp2 | honestly the accelerometers are the only thing I find really interesting |
| 21:45.40 | textshell | for just converted the phone might not really be ready. The software is very basic and still feature as saving energy for more than 12 hours runtime are not yet finished... |
| 21:45.54 | Hydrant | I was thinking of an iPhone, but this is definitely better... I just am checking to see what software is ported to it |
| 21:45.56 | textshell | Hydrant: keep in mind this is still a developers release. |
| 21:46.09 | Hydrant | textshell: of the software or the phone ? |
| 21:46.19 | AVee | The software |
| 21:46.19 | wurp2 | Software is still developer's release, hw should be solid |
| 21:46.37 | textshell | Hydrant: the software, but i don't think anybody can be 100% sure of the hardware either. |
| 21:46.38 | russellb | don't buy 2 expecting that it's ready for everyday use .... |
| 21:46.51 | Qwell | buy 3 expecting that, instead. |
| 21:46.53 | wurp2 | Even the neo1973 hw is almost defect free... |
| 21:46.55 | Qwell | (I need one too - thanks) |
| 21:47.02 | wurp2 | russellb: I use my neo1973 for everday use |
| 21:47.07 | Hydrant | hrrm |
| 21:47.17 | wurp2 | It just depends on your tolerance and how long you spend away from chargers ;-) |
| 21:47.26 | russellb | heh |
| 21:47.41 | Hydrant | I'm pretty tolerant |
| 21:47.52 | RAZORWIND | when do you guys think that this will be commercial grade? |
| 21:47.53 | Hydrant | I've been running Linux since 1999... you know, when USB made you cringe |
| 21:47.56 | Qwell | it may not even make calls |
| 21:48.01 | Hydrant | hrrm |
| 21:48.03 | russellb | USB still makes me cringe |
| 21:48.07 | RAZORWIND | hehe |
| 21:48.08 | RAZORWIND | same |
| 21:48.10 | Qwell | russellb: wussy |
| 21:48.12 | Hydrant | kinda like the trolltech green phone ? |
| 21:48.13 | wurp2 | I think if you just want the phone functionality, or if you're willing to do some hacking & get all the sw playing well together, you can use fso and get > 1 day between charges |
| 21:48.13 | RAZORWIND | my router goes crazy |
| 21:48.15 | russellb | Qwell: nub |
| 21:48.41 | Hydrant | I don't mind charging all the tim |
| 21:48.41 | AVee | Hydrant: Actually, trolltech dropped the greenphone and started using this. |
| 21:48.41 | Hydrant | *time |
| 21:48.53 | wurp2 | Qwell: with Qtopia or Milestone 1 I thought call was pretty much rock solid |
| 21:48.55 | Hydrant | yah... well I meant greenphone in the sense of meant for experiment |
| 21:49.07 | russellb | hasn't been too rock solid for me |
| 21:49.08 | RAZORWIND | the freerunner does have astounding promise |
| 21:49.20 | Qwell | russellb: you actually have one? O.o |
| 21:49.24 | russellb | no. |
| 21:49.26 | wurp2 | russellb: Really? Which platform are you running? |
| 21:49.27 | russellb | i mean, maybe. |
| 21:49.28 | russellb | :-X |
| 21:49.33 | wurp2 | ? |
| 21:49.35 | Hydrant | the question is... will it make calls reliably? |
| 21:49.42 | russellb | Qwell: on loan. |
| 21:49.42 | Hydrant | past that I can play with the software as required |
| 21:49.47 | Qwell | russellb: gotcha |
| 21:49.52 | wurp2 | Hydrant: With Qtopia or fso Milestone 1, it should |
| 21:49.57 | textshell | i think that's main problem nobody really knows the status... because almost nobody has a freerunner ;) |
| 21:49.58 | russellb | it has not been making calls reliably for me, but YMMV |
| 21:50.08 | russellb | i've tried the devel, qtopia, and fso images ... |
| 21:50.10 | wurp2 | russellb: Which sw have you been using? |
| 21:50.12 | Qwell | russellb: I accidentally called Doug one day |
| 21:50.16 | Hydrant | but that's all software issue |
| 21:50.20 | wurp2 | russellb: Milestone 1 fso, or a snapshot? |
| 21:50.20 | russellb | right. |
| 21:50.25 | russellb | wurp2: M1 |
| 21:50.28 | Qwell | mic and screen were dead.. I wtf'd |
| 21:50.31 | wurp2 | russellb: :-( |
| 21:50.36 | Hydrant | all I care is that it calls the right person, and if I dial 911 it goes through |
| 21:50.42 | wurp2 | russellb: I heard from `pwgen` that Milestone 1 was solid |
| 21:50.43 | russellb | wurp2: i have faith, though :) |
| 21:50.46 | Hydrant | (the two main uses of a cell phone) |
| 21:50.55 | wurp2 | Maybe he was using a gta01 |
| 21:50.56 | russellb | wurp2: i broke it within a few minutes ... |
| 21:51.07 | wurp2 | He was running it for days |
| 21:51.13 | russellb | had the UI showing nothing and it kept calling my other phone over and over |
| 21:51.14 | wurp2 | russellb: You're using FR? |
| 21:51.15 | kdean06 | Calling 911 is a common event for ya? |
| 21:51.19 | russellb | wurp2: yes |
| 21:51.41 | Hydrant | kdean06: unfortunately it has been |
| 21:51.52 | Hydrant | I have lived in cities, and stuff happens |
| 21:51.58 | textshell | beeing able to call for help is important. |
| 21:51.58 | kdean06 | Your house burn down frequently? |
| 21:52.10 | doc|work | someone mentioned fire? |
| 21:52.15 | kdean06 | he he |
| 21:52.40 | wurp2 | russellb: Qtopia fell down, too? That worries me... |
| 21:52.42 | kdean06 | You can have "reliable calls" or "features other than calls" right now. :P |
| 21:52.45 | Hydrant | a couple weeks ago someone hurt themselves pretty bad falling over a wire... and I had to find a payphone :-( |
| 21:52.56 | wurp2 | Of course, it's very early for testing Qtopia (or fso) on FR |
| 21:53.07 | russellb | the qtopia image was laggy as all hell |
| 21:53.16 | kdean06 | wurp2, As far as I know, there have been no Qtopia images released for the Freerunner. |
| 21:53.20 | wurp2 | russellb: Real Qtopia, or qtopia on OM? |
| 21:53.24 | kdean06 | And Qtopia is VERY different than the ASU. |
| 21:53.25 | russellb | qtopia on OM |
| 21:53.28 | wurp2 | Ah, that would answer that |
| 21:53.41 | wurp2 | russellb: Oh, that's not Qtopia, that's ASU and a very different animal |
| 21:53.44 | amarsh04 | my 3810 lasted just under 10 years |
| 21:53.44 | Hydrant | so is freerunner more in a testing phase for hardware and software, or just software ? |
| 21:53.47 | russellb | ah. |
| 21:53.54 | wurp2 | Hydrant: Just sw |
| 21:54.11 | wurp2 | Hydrant: Hardware should be very solid, except a known video issue with glamo |
| 21:54.18 | russellb | anyway, i'll stop my bitching and get back to learning the platform so I can help, heh |
| 21:54.24 | Hydrant | that should get stabilized within a few months I would imagine, depending upon the number of devs |
| 21:54.25 | wurp2 | Even the video issue is not a showstopper, from what I hear |
| 21:54.31 | Hydrant | glamo ? |
| 21:54.39 | Qwell | Hydrant: video chip |
| 21:54.40 | wurp2 | Hydrant: The video acceleration chip |
| 21:54.47 | playya | btw. the microphone of my freerunner made some strange noises 2 hours ago. i only pluged the power supply in without a battery |
| 21:55.01 | wurp2 | Hydrant: Which shares the memory bus as the video bus and microsd bus :-( |
| 21:55.19 | wurp2 | playya: Hrm, that's a known issue on gta01, but shouldn't happen on FR |
| 21:55.28 | Hydrant | really what I'm most interested in is using it with VoIP |
| 21:55.29 | CM | abraxa__: Around? |
| 21:55.47 | SpeedEvil | Hydrant: only on wifi |
| 21:55.51 | Hydrant | ... I'd like to setup something so that if I'm on wireless I can make sip calls or recieve calls from my trixbox |
| 21:55.56 | SpeedEvil | Hydrant: data is too sow |
| 21:56.00 | Qwell | dies a little inside |
| 21:56.03 | wurp2 | Hydrant: That should work fine |
| 21:56.04 | russellb | cries |
| 21:56.06 | Qwell | Hydrant: You disappoint me |
| 21:56.08 | russellb | trixbox </3 |
| 21:56.16 | Hydrant | Qwell: why's that ? |
| 21:56.20 | russellb | they eat babies |
| 21:56.27 | Qwell | trixboxisn't exactly "open source" |
| 21:56.38 | Hydrant | Qwell: how so ? |
| 21:56.48 | Qwell | Hydrant: in that it's not open source. :) |
| 21:56.50 | Hydrant | the components are open source AFAIK |
| 21:56.53 | Hydrant | really ? |
| 21:56.59 | Qwell | some of it is not |
| 21:57.03 | abraxa__ | CM: A little bit longer, yeah. What's up? |
| 21:57.07 | russellb | the people behind it have never contributed a single thing back to any of the projects |
| 21:57.13 | russellb | and anything that can be closed source, is |
| 21:57.14 | Hydrant | hrrm... |
| 21:57.22 | CM | abraxa__: Ah, great |
| 21:57.29 | russellb | (Qwell and I are 2 of the main developers of asterisk, btw) |
| 21:57.31 | CM | Just wondered about the debugboard.. |
| 21:57.58 | CM | abraxa__: Ghiottone might need it |
| 21:58.01 | russellb | basically, avoid it at all costs |
| 21:58.06 | CM | pokes Ghiottone |
| 21:58.07 | wurp2 | kdean06: Did you notice russellb's experience with fso Milestone 1? |
| 21:58.13 | Ghiottone | hi all! |
| 21:58.23 | playya | wurp2, but cpuinfo tells me it is a GTA02. so alphaone did not send me the wrong device |
| 21:58.28 | kdean06 | I know my experience wiht it. :P |
| 21:58.48 | abraxa__ | CM: The board? |
| 21:58.55 | wurp2 | Oh, I wasn't suspecting you had the wrong device... it just sounds as if it's not as solid as they thought |
| 21:58.58 | playya | just received it on thursday |
| 21:59.00 | CM | abraxa__: Yeah, I still have your debugboard here |
| 21:59.10 | wurp2 | playya: You should def report a bug, and maybe email the community list, too |
| 21:59.21 | abraxa__ | Ghiottone: Your neo is bricked? |
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| 21:59.24 | CM | abraxa__: Was thiking about sending it to him |
| 21:59.28 | wurp2 | kdean06: So MS 1 was solid on your neo? |
| 21:59.30 | CM | He might brick it soon ;) |
| 21:59.36 | playya | devel or community list? |
| 21:59.40 | Ghiottone | abraxa__, no but I'd like to do some low level development |
| 21:59.43 | kdean06 | Freerunner or 1973 |
| 21:59.45 | kdean06 | ? |
| 21:59.48 | abraxa__ | CM: I don't mind, as long as I get it back when I need it, hehe |
| 21:59.49 | playya | freerunner |
| 21:59.52 | wurp2 | kdean06: FR |
| 21:59.54 | wurp2 | Sorry |
| 21:59.56 | kdean06 | wurp2, It makes calls. |
| 21:59.59 | kdean06 | In and out. |
| 22:00.06 | wurp2 | kdean06: Did you use it for > 1 day? |
| 22:00.08 | Ghiottone | abraxa__, that would be no problem! |
| 22:00.09 | kdean06 | Wife commented that the echo was lessened quite a bit too. |
| 22:00.10 | abraxa__ | Ghiottone: Ahh, okay. Like I said, as long as I get it back when I need it, you can have it |
| 22:00.25 | Ghiottone | abraxa__, just ask and you'll have it mailed! |
| 22:00.28 | CM | abraxa__: Ok, nice |
| 22:00.32 | abraxa__ | Alrighty :) |
| 22:00.36 | wurp2 | kdean06: Echo goes way down for me if I just turn down the volume in the gtk dialer :-) |
| 22:00.37 | Ghiottone | abraxa__, CM, thanks a lot! |
| 22:00.37 | abraxa__ | Thanks, CM |
| 22:00.43 | CM | Ghiottone: His address is on the box |
| 22:00.47 | kdean06 | No, I haven't used anything on the freerunner for more than testing because only Qtopia on the 1973 so far, has all the features I've come to use daily. |
| 22:00.54 | CM | abraxa__: Thank you for helping me out earlier :) |
| 22:00.56 | Ghiottone | CM, great |
| 22:01.01 | abraxa__ | CM: You're most welcome |
| 22:01.10 | CM | Ghiottone: Mail me your address and I'll try to send it to you asap :) |
| 22:01.21 | Ghiottone | CM sure thanks!! |
| 22:01.22 | CM | Now time to get some sleep.. ;) |
| 22:01.32 | Ghiottone | nite CM! |
| 22:01.36 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: Did you run Milestone 1 on your FR? Or was it a gta01? |
| 22:03.09 | kdean06 | Every feature on the FSO images works well. |
| 22:03.20 | kdean06 | The list of features is limited to incoming and outgoing calls. |
| 22:03.32 | kdean06 | The more feaures it has, the less it works. :P |
| 22:03.52 | Ghiottone | abraxa__, do you know of any technical docs other than the S3C2410 user manual that could be useful for low level (operating system) programming on the Neo? |
| 22:04.01 | kdean06 | If it's any indication, because of the software fragmentation since the launch of the ASU, I use Qtopia on my 1973 as my daily phone. |
| 22:04.04 | Hydrant | alright, thanks everyone... will get a freerunner as soon as it's out and come lurk here to let you know how it goes |
| 22:04.05 | wurp2 | kdean06: I think it can suspend & resume, too |
| 22:04.13 | kdean06 | wurp2, That's a given. |
| 22:04.32 | wurp2 | kdean06: I didn't think so... 2007.2 couldn't (most of the time) |
| 22:04.42 | kdean06 | Suspend and resume works everywhere on Freerunner, unless you're specifically mentiuoning resume on incoming call. |
| 22:04.56 | wurp2 | kdean06: Oh, it resumes on incoming call, too, so I've been told |
| 22:05.13 | kdean06 | wurp2, Freerunner resumes just fine using 2007.02, at least in my tests. |
| 22:05.20 | wurp2 | . `pwgen` said it only failed to resume on call cleanly once over multiple days & multiple trials |
| 22:05.36 | wurp2 | kdean06: wow, didn't know that |
| 22:05.57 | kdean06 | Other than video, just about any kernel/hardware complaint I've ever heard about 1973 doesn't exist on Freerunner. |
| 22:06.18 | kdean06 | Even has added flair. :) |
| 22:06.24 | kdean06 | Specifically, the "fade in". |
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| 22:06.50 | kdean06 | The problem is that there are no functional userspace apps in a decent combination. |
| 22:06.58 | kdean06 | The FSO guys will fix that. :) |
| 22:07.04 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 22:07.12 | wurp2 | Well, they will enable the fix |
| 22:07.17 | kdean06 | Yeah. |
| 22:07.22 | wurp2 | It looks like they are expecting someone else to step up & integrate |
| 22:07.30 | kdean06 | I'm sure there will be good, framework based non-FSO apps. :P |
| 22:07.41 | kdean06 | But that framework needs to exist. |
| 22:07.45 | wurp2 | Which is cool; they seem to be doing a great job on infrastructure, so I'd rather they stay focused that way |
| 22:07.49 | abraxa__ | Ghiottone: I looked earlier but unfortunately I can only find the user manual that we already have :( |
| 22:07.52 | kdean06 | I thought ASU would be built around it, so had high hopes. |
| 22:08.22 | kdean06 | But since it's been clarified, my money is on the fso images. :) |
| 22:08.33 | kdean06 | Which aren't building for me. :P |
| 22:08.49 | wurp2 | Nuthin has ever built for me :-( |
| 22:09.04 | wurp2 | It's a good thing I like python |
| 22:09.38 | kdean06 | Anyway... I'm going on a trip this week, I need to pack tonight, so... peace! |
| 22:09.42 | textshell | i don't think the FSP images will go anywhere, but the other images will integrate the framework stuff i hope. |
| 22:10.15 | textshell | but maybe i'm wrong and the FSO images integrate the others... But really it's a moot point which image gets there.... |
| 22:10.39 | Ghiottone | abraxa__, ah, pity. same results here. I guess I'd have to use the usual amount of reverse engineering.. thanks anyway |
| 22:10.43 | wurp2 | textshell: Mickey's recent blog post looked like he was fishing for someone to build an image based on 2007.2, rebasing the guis on FSO |
| 22:11.10 | wurp2 | Or perhaps someone to build an ASU based image that includes the gtk apps, rebased on fso |
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| 22:11.28 | textshell | rebasing guis on the framework yes. But the FSO image doesn't need to be the base, does it? |
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| 22:14.39 | wurp2 | textshell: Nah, I meant building a new image, that includes fso & asu, plus a branch of the gtk phone guis that uses the fso dbus as a back end |
| 22:15.14 | wurp2 | But honestly, I would probably start with the fso image as the baseline & pile the other stuff on |
| 22:15.39 | wurp2 | But I don't think he wants to pollute the standard fso image with a bunch of other stuff |
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| 22:34.09 | SirBob1701 | so do the ASU and FSO have both phone and text messageing support or just one or the other? |
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| 22:36.39 | `pwgen` | hmm i think the fso image is more "middleware" centric not gui. |
| 22:37.54 | SirBob1701 | ok that would make sense why there reffering to it as the framework then. I gotta figure out what all the acronyms mean so i can figure out what i'll need to write my own apps |
| 22:37.57 | mwester | That would be fair. In fact, the "zhone" part of it, the dialer and UI that exist in the image, is characterized as a "demo" by Mickey |
| 22:38.00 | wurp2 | SirBob1701: fso only has phone right now |
| 22:38.12 | wurp2 | At least, only has UI for phone |
| 22:39.18 | SirBob1701 | cause of work i haven't been able to follow whats happening more closely so i'm a bit confused about what is what. I'll have to try and read over the wiki this week |
| 22:39.32 | wurp2 | SirBob1701: Best would be to build an image that includes ASU gui toolkits & some asu apps, fso for phone access (no phonekit) and mod the GTK phone & SMS apps to use the FSO dbus interface |
| 22:39.56 | wurp2 | SirBob1701: It's all hairy right now :-( |
| 22:40.38 | SirBob1701 | haha wow. Ya but i can do that. Just don't know where to get the FSO i have the ASU bookmarked |
| 22:41.05 | wurp2 | ASU is a release with multiple UI toolkits, and a shaky port of Qtopia to run on X, and numerous apps, some of which don't really work (including phone) |
| 22:41.46 | wurp2 | FSO is the new OM framework, with an image with a demo phone app. It seems quite solid, and allows muxing gprs (internet) & phone |
| 22:42.37 | wurp2 | GTK aka 2007.2 is the old OM image, that had pretty stable calling & a nice suite of apps, but was gtk only, and had no muxing. Stability also varied from release to release. |
| 22:43.10 | wurp2 | s/gtk only/gtk+ ui toolkit only/ |
| 22:43.15 | erko | wurp2, you were asking about fso UI docs -- the code in /usr/bin/zhone (which originated from pyphone, i think) is only about 900 lines long. Also to suspend/unsuspend, I hold down the power button (on my GTA01). works well for me |
| 22:43.41 | `pwgen` | write a little glue that simulates gsmd behavior with fso-dbus backend and you might be able to use the 2007.2 |
| 22:44.03 | SirBob1701 | hmm |
| 22:44.14 | SirBob1701 | are links to the fso repo on the wiki? |
| 22:44.46 | wurp2 | erko: Weird, I tried holding down the power button |
| 22:44.53 | wurp2 | Maybe I didn't do it long enough |
| 22:45.01 | `pwgen` | the zhone gui is nearly the smallest part , the most work is done in the phone/event/device/.... deamon part |
| 22:45.23 | wurp2 | SirBob1701: Looking... |
| 22:45.26 | erko | wurp2, sometimes the first time I try to suspend, it takes me another try |
| 22:45.31 | wurp2 | erko: Thanks much for the info |
| 22:45.34 | erko | sure |
| 22:46.01 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: Hmm, that's an interesting thought... |
| 22:46.23 | SirBob1701 | can the ASU and FSU be combined for a qume build until I get the GTA02? |
| 22:46.23 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: Then you could just leave out phonekit, include your phonekit-fso-adapter, and be off & running |
| 22:46.52 | wurp2 | SirBob1701: They could be, and once you get qemu running it shouldn't be any harder than using it on your phone |
| 22:47.02 | wurp2 | SirBob1701: Except you couldn't test calling or gps functionality :-( |
| 22:47.25 | erko | SirBob1701: fso milestone1 was a little slow in answering calls for me. A snapshot from here worked better (but no guarantees): jluebbe's fso images: http://134.169.172.106/~jluebbe/images/neo1973/ |
| 22:47.32 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: I might just do that. |
| 22:47.46 | SirBob1701 | erko: ok thanks |
| 22:47.56 | erko | no problem |
| 22:48.24 | SirBob1701 | i saw that FSO has a milestone 3 in 1 month that asks for SMS capabilities though :D |
| 22:48.31 | `pwgen` | erko: recompile the kernel without debug info . will speed up the resume |
| 22:48.47 | erko | ah, thanks |
| 22:48.53 | wurp2 | SirBob1701: Yeah, but I want media player, and terminal, and navit :-) |
| 22:49.08 | SirBob1701 | ya me too lol |
| 22:49.11 | wurp2 | SirBob1701: the fso image is never intended to be an end user image, afaik |
| 22:49.25 | wurp2 | It's just demo apps to show off the fso infrastructure |
| 22:49.27 | SirBob1701 | i know but the GTK+ crap looks slow as piss |
| 22:49.56 | wurp2 | SirBob1701: Your qemu may just be slow |
| 22:50.06 | wurp2 | SirBob1701: qemu was totally unusably slow on my last machine |
| 22:50.15 | wurp2 | Like, multiple minutes to do anything, literally. |
| 22:50.19 | doc|work | SirBob1701: that's fine, my piss is *fast*! |
| 22:50.32 | wurp2 | And I don't mean literally figuratively like so many people seem to, I mean literally |
| 22:51.03 | SirBob1701 | haha |
| 22:51.06 | wurp2 | Whereas on the gta01 gtk is fairly snappy, depending on the release |
| 22:51.43 | wurp2 | Sorry, that's a pet peeve of mine, when people use literally to emphasize something, but actually mean the opposite of literally |
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| 22:52.03 | doc|work | eh |
| 22:52.04 | Qwell | wurp2: I literally never do that. literally. |
| 22:52.05 | doc|work | *heh |
| 22:52.33 | wurp2 | Qwell: I'm literally glad to hear it ;-) |
| 22:53.01 | wurp2 | 'cause you don't want to piss me off |
| 22:53.03 | wurp2 | I'll... |
| 22:53.16 | wurp2 | well, I guess you probably have no reason to avoid pissing me off |
| 22:54.08 | SirBob1701 | brb gotta get a soder |
| 22:54.31 | SpeedEvil | drops a dictionary on SirBob1701. |
| 22:54.57 | erko | SpeedEvil, what you call it "pop"? |
| 22:55.10 | wurp2 | SirBob1701: FSO repositories: http://git.freesmartphone.org/ |
| 22:55.36 | wurp2 | I'm not sure if that helps you much with building an image based on fso |
| 22:56.08 | SirBob1701 | wurp2: ok i'll take a look. couldn't find the ASU on my hd so i'm getting it now |
| 22:58.15 | wurp2 | g'night all |
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| 23:10.10 | Pjj | anyone got a video of the software that runs on the neo freerunner (the software that is being shipped with it) |
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| 23:14.05 | glitch | hi, i was told that the qtopia phone edition was still being hosted of one of the openmoko mirrors but i could not find it, i was wondering if anyone here had the link? |
| 23:14.45 | glitch | i was thinking of trying to get qtopia working on the freerunner, but then found phone edition was not online anymore :( |
| 23:15.11 | doc|work | glitch: last I heard they couldn't do that |
| 23:15.53 | glitch | some one said that the buildhost showed the location |
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| 23:16.11 | glitch | maybe they got rid of it |
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| 23:19.03 | glitch | is it hosted anywhere else? surely someone online must have it (though much searching came up with nothing) |
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| 23:25.28 | thseiler_ | good morning: i have an efl question: how do I convert a Imlib2 image to an evas_object_image without going trough a file ? |
| 23:25.30 | SpeedEvil | In principle, the owners of the infringing code could have done the DCMA thing. |
| 23:25.55 | `pwgen` | g'night all |
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| 23:34.34 | thseiler_ | good night |
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| 23:38.06 | Robot101 | h3Dhhh/wg aquarius |
| 23:39.45 | dcordes_ | shoragan: gprs working on kais |
| 23:46.47 | Robot101 | (doh, sorry) |
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