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| 00:10.10 | goodwill | wooohoo, we have forwarding and dns lookup |
| 00:10.35 | abraxa_ | Congrats :) |
| 00:11.27 | goodwill | wooohooo google from qemu-ed openmoko |
| 00:12.02 | goodwill | let see, maybe open moko has an irc client |
| 00:12.22 | SpeedEvil | pidgin is not insane in a 640*480 screen |
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| 00:14.09 | goodwill | SpeedEvil: I do not think thats installed by default and I have not managed opkg yet |
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| 00:17.11 | goodwill | ehehe |
| 00:17.14 | goodwill | browser crashed |
| 00:17.48 | SpeedEvil | It's not. |
| 00:17.56 | SpeedEvil | There is no friendly IRC client. |
| 00:18.05 | goodwill | I can use a shell one |
| 00:18.08 | goodwill | I do not cat |
| 00:18.10 | SpeedEvil | telnet |
| 00:18.12 | goodwill | s/cat/care |
| 00:18.20 | goodwill | SpeedEvil: perv |
| 00:19.19 | balrog-kun | tests his uber hack on the gta02 |
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| 00:19.47 | goodwill | balrog-kun: details? |
| 00:20.45 | balrog-kun | goodwill: a hacky dyn-tick support for the s3c2442 |
| 00:21.11 | SpeedEvil | Oooh. Shiny. |
| 00:21.31 | goodwill | balrog-kun: for reduced power management? |
| 00:21.35 | balrog-kun | when i tried it an hour ago it killed the os timer and i had to touch the screen or generate usb interrupts to keep the cursor blinking |
| 00:21.57 | balrog-kun | goodwill: possibly, i'm not sure |
| 00:22.31 | SpeedEvil | It will do a bit for PM - not really very much compared to proper clock varying support. |
| 00:22.43 | SpeedEvil | Maybe a couple of percent? |
| 00:23.15 | balrog-kun | well, i ran Intel's powertop on the gta02 today and it had 300 wakeups per second |
| 00:23.27 | SpeedEvil | Wakeups - sure. |
| 00:23.34 | balrog-kun | this should reduce it to 100 when the accelerometer is being read and ~5 when not |
| 00:24.31 | SpeedEvil | But idle power isn't hugely lower than 'on' power. |
| 00:24.32 | SpeedEvil | And average CPU usage is what's important. - how long it's woked up for. |
| 00:24.53 | balrog-kun | it will reduce the system timer's precision though |
| 00:24.57 | goodwill | balrog-kun: powertop would help |
| 00:24.59 | goodwill | oops |
| 00:25.03 | goodwill | you already said it |
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| 00:25.33 | balrog-kun | but with it i should be able to set HZ to 10000 and be able to sleep for 100 usec |
| 00:25.48 | balrog-kun | currently the shortest time you can sleep is 5 msec |
| 00:25.53 | SpeedEvil | That might save power, yes. |
| 00:25.58 | SpeedEvil | Busy wait is bad. |
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| 00:26.50 | balrog-kun | on s3c i guess it won't make that much difference in power consumption |
| 00:26.57 | balrog-kun | on OMAPs it makes a huge difference |
| 00:27.15 | goodwill | openmoko-appmanager segfaulting |
| 00:27.23 | goodwill | time to try to opkg something |
| 00:27.32 | SpeedEvil | On s3c, you really want to go to slower CPU |
| 00:27.56 | balrog-kun | but then OMAPs have like 5 power states and can switch automatically between them |
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| 00:52.31 | `pwgen` | mwester: ping |
| 00:54.37 | mwester | hears the sound of someone tapping on glass window panes under very high stress... |
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| 00:55.08 | mwester | Greetings and Salutations, `pwgen` |
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| 00:57.09 | `pwgen` | mwester: i tried to compile linux-openmoko-devel: it faild, after enableing touchscreen filter support , it worked ( compile ) |
| 00:58.19 | mwester | I just got some free time today; the kernel seems to have gotten into a bad state :( |
| 00:59.29 | mwester | I noticed that problem; updating the defconfig will fix it so it builds, but I'm having other problems with the kernel (at least on the GTA01, haven't looked at the GTA02 yet). |
| 00:59.44 | `pwgen` | another problem i had with an version 2 days ago was, after some time access to /proc/meminfo will result in segfault . |
| 01:00.21 | SpeedEvil | i had problems with occasional segfaults, which I fixed a stupid way. |
| 01:00.32 | SpeedEvil | (swapon /media/card/swap) |
| 01:01.22 | `pwgen` | oh , no i killed some cf cards by doing swap on them (:-(( |
| 01:01.35 | mwester | opkg segfaulted always for me; turns out that reading /proc/meminfo was causing a null pointer in the kernel -- |
| 01:01.49 | SpeedEvil | `pwgen`: what sort of cards? |
| 01:01.54 | mwester | I'm trying to go backwards to find where that broke too. |
| 01:02.02 | `pwgen` | this problem appears after some time |
| 01:02.31 | `pwgen` | damm 2 hours ago u had the sources .. deleted , cause missing space .. |
| 01:02.49 | `pwgen` | but i have the git revid |
| 01:03.44 | `pwgen` | uImage-2.6.24+git2+9250c1fc7d6~6748490a55d61e-r0-om-gta01.bin |
| 01:04.11 | `pwgen` | cards i used in an old ipaq h3600 log time ago |
| 01:04.36 | SpeedEvil | `pwgen`: write numbers have gotten better. |
| 01:05.10 | nezza-_- | anybody experiences with the frogpad? |
| 01:05.54 | `pwgen` | it was an flash related problem, i dont know if thos problem exist for modern cards , my old cf was 512 mb .. growing smaller ... |
| 01:06.46 | `pwgen` | i think swapping on an iscsi target should work in devel environment |
| 01:06.49 | SpeedEvil | `pwgen`: write endurances have gone way up. |
| 01:07.13 | SpeedEvil | `pwgen`: and write leveling has gotten better |
| 01:08.16 | `pwgen` | have you tested swapping with a file ( mounted with ext2 ) |
| 01:08.25 | SpeedEvil | That's what I've been doing |
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| 01:09.18 | `pwgen` | mwester: whats about the idea to add /proc/config.gz support to the devel kernel ? |
| 01:10.57 | mwester | Makes much sense to me - andy green is often speculating that config changes are the reason he can't see issues we see in the field; I think that enabling that, and requiring that it be added to each bug report affecting the kernel, would faciliate debug. |
| 01:11.17 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 01:11.37 | SpeedEvil | Pity there is no nice patch reporting in /proc/config.gz |
| 01:13.27 | mwester | For the rootfs, we can get that indirectly from the opkg database, unless the user didn't bump the PR info when they patched and built. For the kernel, that sure would be nice. |
| 01:13.58 | mwester | I wonder if there's a way we can at least force a git ID string into the kernel somewhere. |
| 01:13.59 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. I proposed something way back on the kernel ml, but nothing came of it. |
| 01:14.15 | SpeedEvil | EXTRAVERSION |
| 01:14.53 | mwester | er... yeah. That'd do it -- but would that mess up module versioning? |
| 01:14.59 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 01:15.01 | rwhitby | yeah, that's the problem |
| 01:15.01 | `pwgen` | i build a kernel without the whole debugging code and bootsplash enabled , the suspen/resume cycle seeme the run faster |
| 01:15.20 | rwhitby | put you could put it in the email address that gets compiled into the kernel, or something like that. |
| 01:15.25 | SpeedEvil | It'd mean that you could only run kernels with the matching modules. |
| 01:15.38 | SpeedEvil | But aren't they compiled at the same time normally? |
| 01:16.03 | mwester | rwhitby: That sounds like a winner - versionid@buildhost would work. |
| 01:16.09 | `pwgen` | maybe adding version support will enable handle diffrent modules for the same kernel release . |
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| 01:17.08 | mwester | SpeedEvil: They are compiled, but it is rather common for some folks to flash different kernels while leaving the rootfs alone. That would require a no-modules sort of kernel... |
| 01:17.15 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
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| 01:18.34 | `pwgen` | its the localversion under General setup will enable someing like /lib/module/2.4.2-fso-0-1 |
| 01:19.14 | mwester | I think the EXTRAVERSION might be sound once the kernel stabilizes, but until then I suspect the path of least resistance would be to stick an identifier in the email; there's no way the OM devs will be doing anything to mess with their rootfs' |
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| 01:28.17 | SpeedEvil | Ah - hadn't investigated. Yes, the email field would be trivial. You could even frob scripts/mkcompile_h to drop a GIT version in there |
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| 01:43.57 | `pwgen` | why are the sound drivers modules, and they are not static |
| 01:44.41 | `pwgen` | power managment ? |
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| 01:48.14 | balrog-kun | would also like to know that |
| 01:49.23 | mwester | has no idea, and notices that there are different defconfigs floating about where that is not the case |
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| 01:50.47 | `pwgen` | is see same defconfig with modules enabled for SoC gta01 and gta02 |
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| 01:53.45 | linuxxr | http://www.e-linux.it/news_detail.php?id=5652 |
| 01:54.01 | linuxxr | here it says 400mhz also |
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| 01:59.24 | linuxxr | so the 500mhz story was a misprint i take it |
| 01:59.41 | balrog-kun | you can run it at 500MHz if you like |
| 01:59.53 | balrog-kun | you'll need to tune some clocks to avoid screen flicker though |
| 02:01.52 | SpeedEvil | It will also lower battery life. |
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| 02:05.20 | sybesis | rawrrr |
| 02:05.25 | linuxxr | i c |
| 02:05.42 | hon | how can I get the toolchain? is there a debian package for that? |
| 02:05.52 | linuxxr | 333mhz would increase batt life then |
| 02:06.31 | balrog-kun | maybe |
| 02:06.44 | linuxxr | when the usa store gonna open--- tonight? |
| 02:07.00 | linuxxr | please |
| 02:07.17 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: it's complex - you want it fast enough so that it doesn't maek the user wait, but you don't want it faster than that. |
| 02:07.32 | Dave | hon, no, but you can fairly easily create one from the offered source package :) |
| 02:07.55 | Dave | Speed, right, just so that it doesn't lag :) |
| 02:07.57 | hon | is ipkh a derivative of dpkg? |
| 02:07.58 | SpeedEvil | d: see |
| 02:08.00 | SpeedEvil | oohttp://www3.telus.net/public/a5a26316/TIG_Welder.htmlps. |
| 02:08.01 | hon | ipkg |
| 02:08.20 | Dave | heh, seems like, doesn't it? :) |
| 02:08.20 | linuxxr | autospeed controll maybe? |
| 02:08.27 | Dave | hah, autospeed. |
| 02:08.33 | Dave | Engage! |
| 02:08.49 | linuxxr | like intels speedstep |
| 02:08.55 | hon | also, what is the most recent hardware that I can buy? (as a developer. I do not expect general/public fool proof hardware) |
| 02:09.22 | linuxxr | throttle up |
| 02:09.39 | linuxxr | gta03 |
| 02:10.01 | hon | does it have any accelerometers? |
| 02:10.20 | linuxxr | speedevil knows all |
| 02:10.29 | SpeedEvil | Yes, GTA02 has two accels |
| 02:10.44 | SpeedEvil | And that's the only hardware you can buy |
| 02:10.47 | hon | what about GTA03? |
| 02:10.51 | SpeedEvil | (well - barring ebay) |
| 02:10.55 | SpeedEvil | Not even produced yet |
| 02:11.06 | SpeedEvil | Maybe not frozen design even. |
| 02:11.41 | Dave | heh |
| 02:11.59 | hon | what are the new sensing hardware added to GTA03? will it have digital compass? |
| 02:12.00 | linuxxr | ebay debug board -buts thats going backwards |
| 02:12.06 | SpeedEvil | hon: no |
| 02:12.18 | hon | what about gps? |
| 02:12.20 | SpeedEvil | camera and some buttons added |
| 02:12.34 | linuxxr | kill the buttons |
| 02:12.35 | SpeedEvil | Glamo removed |
| 02:12.42 | SpeedEvil | everything stays the same otherwise. |
| 02:12.56 | hon | do these devices have touch screens? |
| 02:12.56 | linuxxr | what replaces glamo? |
| 02:12.58 | SpeedEvil | (compared to 2) |
| 02:13.01 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: nothing |
| 02:13.07 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: raw framebuffer |
| 02:13.14 | linuxxr | fassster |
| 02:13.32 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: same as GTA01 |
| 02:13.37 | hon | what was glamo? |
| 02:13.51 | hon | an open gl implementation? |
| 02:14.00 | sybesis | anyone knows how to use openmoko with qemu but without gcc 3.4 |
| 02:14.01 | SpeedEvil | hon: no |
| 02:14.08 | sybesis | gcc 3.4 isn't in my repo |
| 02:14.12 | Dave | you need the libs |
| 02:14.13 | SpeedEvil | hon: a horrible closed GPU thingy with all sorts of limits. |
| 02:14.24 | Dave | :D |
| 02:15.06 | hon | is there any plan to add a digital compass in the future? |
| 02:15.36 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 02:16.06 | sybesis | SpeedEvil: this mean we could manually add our camera by hand? |
| 02:16.17 | sybesis | SpeedEvil: the board will be the same? |
| 02:16.36 | SpeedEvil | sybesis: no |
| 02:16.42 | hon | where can I buy a few GTA02's from? |
| 02:16.46 | SpeedEvil | sybesis: completely - well - largely - different board |
| 02:16.59 | SpeedEvil | hon: wait till US store opens |
| 02:17.15 | SpeedEvil | hon: you need the 850MHz ones prolly in canadialand. |
| 02:17.18 | balrog-kun | sybesis: you could try to rebase the qemu-neo1973 on upstream qemu's SVN tree |
| 02:17.29 | balrog-kun | there's a chance that it would build and run with gcc4 |
| 02:17.42 | sybesis | i see |
| 02:17.46 | hon | when should I expect the store to open? |
| 02:18.13 | SpeedEvil | checks his clothes, and finds he's accidentally put on the magic-8-ball suit. |
| 02:19.07 | hon | is there any kind of rough estimation for that? |
| 02:19.22 | hon | like "early $YEAR" |
| 02:19.24 | hon | :D |
| 02:20.02 | SpeedEvil | I would be moderately surprised if it's not up in a week. |
| 02:20.11 | hon | oh. great. |
| 02:20.12 | SpeedEvil | But, I have no inside knowledge. |
| 02:20.37 | SpeedEvil | I don't know if any have even been made yet for the US market. |
| 02:21.16 | rwhitby | There's a report of Jul 7 on the mailing list from someone at OM |
| 02:21.38 | hon | do they also sell (at the store) the equipment that allows us to do development on it? |
| 02:22.40 | rwhitby | no special equipment is required |
| 02:23.02 | balrog-kun | they sell the debug board, which can be helpful |
| 02:23.08 | rwhitby | you only need the debug board for u-boot development |
| 02:23.15 | rwhitby | or very low level kernel development |
| 02:23.17 | balrog-kun | is getting some help from the debug board in this moment |
| 02:23.31 | linuxxr | but will u get a gta02 debugboard? |
| 02:23.39 | linuxxr | or 03? |
| 02:23.43 | Dave | :P |
| 02:23.49 | Dave | v03 |
| 02:23.52 | hon | do they sell the debug board at the store? |
| 02:24.28 | balrog-kun | yes, hon |
| 02:24.36 | hon | thanks guys :) |
| 02:24.44 | balrog-kun | is happy his ex-gf doesn't know he's calling somebody else hon |
| 02:24.56 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 02:25.00 | hon | had enough of being raped by iphone SDKs ... |
| 02:25.09 | rwhitby | why do you care what your *ex* gf thinks? |
| 02:25.09 | Dave | :D |
| 02:25.26 | Dave | haha, yeah -- that too :P |
| 02:25.27 | linuxxr | still loves her? |
| 02:25.28 | hon | I guess I have to finally change my nick to something more "modest" :D |
| 02:26.07 | balrog-kun | it's complex matter :p |
| 02:26.18 | linuxxr | is too |
| 02:26.41 | linuxxr | sos is the debug board a v2 or v3 |
| 02:27.00 | balrog-kun | the one sold with gta02 is v3 i think |
| 02:27.10 | linuxxr | alright |
| 02:29.10 | Dave | yes |
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| 02:33.05 | sybesis | actually how does 3d is interpreted with openmoko |
| 02:33.16 | sybesis | 100% software? |
| 02:36.58 | Dave | hey sybesis :P |
| 02:37.18 | sybesis | hi there |
| 02:40.13 | sybesis | i'm doomed gcc 3.4 isn't in my repos and qemu does need (upstream version too) |
| 02:41.36 | balrog-kun | sybesis: is your host x86 or x86_64? |
| 02:41.56 | sybesis | x86 |
| 02:42.02 | balrog-kun | upstream doesn't need gcc3 |
| 02:42.16 | balrog-kun | x86_64 hosts also don't need gcc3 |
| 02:42.20 | sybesis | i may miss something |
| 02:42.47 | sybesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.51 | sybesis | this file is missing |
| 02:56.11 | balrog-kun | gen-icount.h? |
| 02:56.25 | balrog-kun | ohh |
| 02:56.28 | balrog-kun | indeed |
| 02:56.59 | sybesis | is it supposed to be in kernel header or something |
| 02:57.21 | balrog-kun | nope, it's supposed to be a part of qemu now... i think... |
| 02:57.47 | balrog-kun | i've never seen this file before and i just looked at the recent commits and the error must be cause be a commit made 1h ago |
| 02:58.03 | balrog-kun | paul brook just made a pretty big merge |
| 02:58.08 | sybesis | i see |
| 02:58.17 | sybesis | i'll pick a previous revision then |
| 02:58.42 | balrog-kun | yep, a 3h ago snapshot would have worked i'm sure :p |
| 02:58.55 | balrog-kun | the neo1973 tree is quite outdated though |
| 02:59.07 | balrog-kun | bringing it in line with head will take some work |
| 03:00.12 | sybesis | is there any specific modification to the qemu of openmoko |
| 03:00.44 | balrog-kun | all the neo1973 hardware (cpu and a ton of peripherals) |
| 03:02.44 | sybesis | ok i see |
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| 03:09.57 | sybesis | i give up for now |
| 03:10.45 | balrog-kun | leaves linux running with dyn_tick on the Neo and goes to sleep |
| 03:11.08 | sybesis | good night |
| 03:13.50 | raster | isn't dyn-tick default by now? |
| 03:14.32 | goodwill | balrog-kun: which repo is involved |
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| 03:57.20 | goodwill | ok so package installation is not complicated |
| 03:57.43 | goodwill | repos seems to be specified in /etc/opkg |
| 03:58.01 | goodwill | and opkg is comparebale to yum or what not |
| 04:00.57 | goodwill | hmm midnight commander does not seem to be a package |
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| 04:07.41 | Dave | heh |
| 04:18.04 | goodwill | appmanager2 is depricated |
| 04:18.07 | goodwill | it seems |
| 04:18.15 | goodwill | at least its not in the packages |
| 04:18.21 | goodwill | what exactly replaced it |
| 04:18.26 | goodwill | an interface to packagekit |
| 04:18.47 | goodwill | but I have no idea what its called |
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| 04:34.27 | goodwill | ok, I am starting to understand this on a user level mor or less |
| 04:37.30 | Dave | God :p |
| 04:37.37 | Dave | Good |
| 04:37.47 | goodwill | is it all installing it in flash |
| 04:37.56 | goodwill | I though flash was like 256 mb |
| 04:38.02 | goodwill | ehehhe |
| 04:38.08 | goodwill | opkg: write: No space left on device |
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| 04:50.01 | yo_ | sorry if this has been answered or is even a non-issue at this point, but why not just have open software for the phone, and the standard gsm architecture of the cellular communications aspect of the phone? |
| 04:51.44 | Sonicadvance1 | I don't understand the question |
| 04:51.51 | Sonicadvance1 | It is open software? |
| 04:52.08 | yo_ | sorry about that |
| 04:52.48 | yo_ | what I meant is, isn't the hold up due to configuring the cellular phone operation of open moko as opposed to the open source OS? |
| 04:54.13 | SuN | There's a hold-up? :) |
| 04:55.01 | Sonicadvance1 | hasn't heard of any hold up |
| 04:55.13 | yo_ | not according to steve jobs there isn't |
| 04:55.25 | SuN | There's no problem communicating with the gsm chip, but work is still being done on the "glue" between the interface and the actual modem. |
| 04:55.40 | Sonicadvance1 | Steve Jobs has been talking about the Freerunner? |
| 04:55.59 | SuN | But phone calls are already working. |
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| 04:56.07 | mwester | And have been for a long time. |
| 04:56.14 | yo_ | I'm sure he will be when this mythical beast actually can be used for the masses |
| 04:56.27 | _ferric | no, I doubt that, yo_ |
| 04:56.38 | Cyph3r-g[_]y | Question: Anyone know if there exist a VMWare version of the OpenMoko Os ? |
| 04:56.38 | mwester | I rather doubt the masses will be using this phone. |
| 04:57.08 | SuN | Well, he hasn't said a word about HTC touch... or LG viewty/prada, or any other smartphone.. so I don't see why. |
| 04:57.10 | yo_ | ferric: you think openmoko will be that complicated? |
| 04:57.49 | _ferric | yo_: it's not about being complicated, FIC hardware/software is not ready for the kind of production that the iPhone is seeing, for example. |
| 04:58.04 | _ferric | and I'm not even sure that's the target market for now, either. |
| 04:58.14 | mwester | Complicated has little to do with it; it's basically the target market is rather different. |
| 04:58.34 | _ferric | nods. |
| 04:59.11 | yo_ | who is the target market? so-called power users? |
| 04:59.25 | yo_ | look at Ubuntu. It took off, no? |
| 04:59.40 | _ferric | target market is DIY hackers. |
| 04:59.49 | mwester | There's no nice simple term for the market; basically it's *not* intended for the appliance operators. |
| 04:59.49 | _ferric | or, people that care about an open phone. |
| 05:00.25 | SuN | The phone will probably be easy to use for anyone, even non-hackers, it's just that the distribution is somewhat out of the ordinary, compared to regular phones. |
| 05:00.34 | mwester | And, no Ubuntu did *not* take off in the same way the iphone did; you can't buy a PC with Ubuntu pre-installed at the local technology outlet! |
| 05:00.45 | Sonicadvance1 | :D |
| 05:00.54 | yo_ | mwester: sure you can. |
| 05:00.55 | linuxxr | walmart had them |
| 05:01.00 | yo_ | that's right |
| 05:01.09 | linuxxr | might still order 1 |
| 05:01.10 | Cyph3r-g[_]y | mwester: You may not go with Ubuntu but the EEEPC now ships with linux by default |
| 05:01.10 | SuN | I'm sure some savvy non-tech users will find it, but the exclusive online distribution and lack of carrier connections makes it hard to find for the average user. |
| 05:01.12 | mwester | Sure they do. |
| 05:01.37 | yo_ | they do in Chicago |
| 05:01.48 | mwester | Cyph3r-g[_]y: that's my point exactly; the EEEPC is not by any means a "mail-line" device. |
| 05:01.54 | linuxxr | just use slackware an get over it |
| 05:01.56 | mwester | er, "main-line" |
| 05:01.57 | Sonicadvance1 | has an eee pc |
| 05:02.03 | mwester | get over what? |
| 05:02.11 | linuxxr | ubuntu |
| 05:02.12 | yo_ | SuN: what's the deal with that? why is there a lack? |
| 05:02.14 | Cyph3r-g[_]y | mwester: What do you mean by "mail-line" ?\ |
| 05:02.26 | mwester | <mwester> er, "main-line" |
| 05:02.47 | SuN | yo_: well, it's not really a lack, I guess. But there won't be any major carriers that will distribute the phone. |
| 05:02.58 | linuxxr | might too |
| 05:03.03 | yo_ | touche |
| 05:03.10 | SuN | Very small chance, I'd say. |
| 05:03.21 | Sonicadvance1 | yes, quite small |
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| 05:03.31 | yo_ | so if I want to take it to Europe? |
| 05:03.41 | linuxxr | somebody that wants to step on the iphone |
| 05:03.42 | mwester | It's a tri-band. |
| 05:03.53 | Cyph3r-g[_]y | mwester: Well it actualy is _here_ i have met well over 100 people that own an EEE and use it as their primary system for Chatting, Facebook and the basics. And these are NON TECHS, these are people who get blatenly confused with how to shutdown windows... |
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| 05:04.12 | linuxxr | yay |
| 05:04.25 | SuN | The Eee is carried by consumer electronics stores here, which pretty much makes it a mainline device to me. |
| 05:04.29 | mwester | Cyph3r-g[_]y: I don't know where "here" is for you, but it sure isnt' something you see on the commuter train on the way into Chicago. |
| 05:04.40 | linuxxr | if u learn linux fron the start whats the problem? |
| 05:04.41 | Cyph3r-g[_]y | mwester: Calgary, AB, Canada |
| 05:04.41 | yo_ | mwester: |
| 05:04.47 | SuN | Maybe Chicago is just very backward. |
| 05:04.47 | SuN | :D |
| 05:04.51 | Cyph3r-g[_]y | lol |
| 05:04.51 | goodwill | Cyph3r-g[_]y: there is no vmware image because vmware does not emulate neo hardware |
| 05:04.59 | yo_ | SuN: I saw someone in Grayslake, IL with one |
| 05:05.14 | goodwill | Cyph3r-g[_]y: also you can compile all the software for i686 amd rim it in Xnest |
| 05:05.17 | yo_ | and they are purposefully more backware than the Crilla, ya dig? |
| 05:05.22 | mwester | grows tired of word games, with folks who just want to live in the delusion that Linux will win over Windows, and OM will beat the iphone. |
| 05:05.27 | Cyph3r-g[_]y | goodwill: Thanks! Do you know if theres a plan to develop an emulator. |
| 05:05.39 | goodwill | Cyph3r-g[_]y: there is an emulator already |
| 05:05.42 | Cyph3r-g[_]y | mwester: I never said it would win over windows... |
| 05:05.49 | goodwill | Cyph3r-g[_]y: modified qemu |
| 05:05.50 | Cyph3r-g[_]y | mwester: atleast not yet :P |
| 05:05.56 | yo_ | right. there is an emulator |
| 05:06.04 | goodwill | Cyph3r-g[_]y: it works for neo1973 and with some hacks for freerunner |
| 05:06.06 | yo_ | I saw it at the OSCON of 2007 |
| 05:06.07 | Cyph3r-g[_]y | goodwill: Thank you, do you know where i can get a copy ? |
| 05:06.13 | SuN | mwester: well, I guess there's no such thing as winning, but a consumer electronics store in my city putting a real LInux machine on display is something quite new. |
| 05:06.31 | SuN | A computer, that is, because I guess most of their routers run Linux anyway. |
| 05:06.34 | goodwill | Cyph3r-g[_]y: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu |
| 05:06.41 | Cyph3r-g[_]y | goodwill: Thanks! |
| 05:06.46 | goodwill | Cyph3r-g[_]y: though I suggest using mokomakefile |
| 05:06.50 | goodwill | Cyph3r-g[_]y: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_QEMU_with_MokoMakefile |
| 05:07.13 | goodwill | Cyph3r-g[_]y: keep in mind the official images it downloads are built automatically |
| 05:07.25 | Cyph3r-g[_]y | goodwill: thanks! |
| 05:07.29 | goodwill | Cyph3r-g[_]y: so they might not function...but there are some recommended ones |
| 05:07.53 | goodwill | Cyph3r-g[_]y: I believe the wiki was updated today with how to get it running |
| 05:08.23 | goodwill | Cyph3r-g[_]y: also read this: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
| 05:08.28 | yo_ | I'll tell you this. the openmoko room is much nicer than ubuntu. those cats will ban you for no good reason |
| 05:08.50 | Cyph3r-g[_]y | LOL! |
| 05:09.00 | goodwill | yo_: well #openmoko tends to have the dev crowd.... |
| 05:09.20 | yo_ | that's a good thing. |
| 05:09.31 | goodwill | n00bs here are usually not computr n00bs, just openmoko n00bs like me |
| 05:10.24 | Cyph3r-g[_]y | One thing most people forget is at one point they were n00bs, so be nice to them :P |
| 05:10.40 | yo_ | makes sense to me |
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| 05:11.20 | SuN | There's this slight nuance between being a n00b and being unable to read a simple webpage, though :D |
| 05:12.05 | yo_ | there's also a subtle nuance between sarcasm and wit |
| 05:12.12 | yo_ | ;) |
| 05:12.35 | yo_ | I'm off to read some webpages. thanks all for the info |
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| 05:16.34 | _ferric | heh. |
| 05:16.39 | _ferric | sighs. |
| 05:16.56 | goodwill | _ferric: what troubles you old soul? |
| 05:21.30 | goodwill | so if built in flash is 256Mb |
| 05:21.52 | goodwill | and thats where root mounts how can I install more software for it |
| 05:21.56 | goodwill | it runs out of space |
| 05:22.01 | goodwill | hmmm |
| 05:22.11 | goodwill | I wonder what the problem with sd boot is |
| 05:29.25 | mwester | You need the right uboot to boot from it in the first place, and I hear that attempting to resume from suspend will fail. |
| 05:30.28 | mwester | There was nifty ipkg installer that could install to the sd card, and put sym links in the rootfs -- but that seemed to be lost when the image switched to opkg. ;( |
| 05:30.52 | goodwill | hmm |
| 05:31.40 | goodwill | yeah I am reading about the uboot on the wiki now...and I have heard about the resume issue, trying to find the track deffect on it now |
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| 05:33.20 | goodwill | mwester: I kind thought mounting /usr on the sd might actually be an alternative |
| 05:33.35 | goodwill | mwester: base system on flash, the rest on sd |
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| 05:35.48 | goodwill | mwester: maybe I can just rsyn and change fstab |
| 05:36.04 | goodwill | s/rsync/rsync |
| 05:38.12 | mwester | Depends on what the resume problem really is, I guess. |
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| 05:42.45 | goodwill | mwester: yeah |
| 05:43.09 | goodwill | mwester: which is why I am trying to locate the bug |
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| 05:50.55 | goodwill | ah damn |
| 05:51.02 | goodwill | http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/7/19/420 |
| 05:51.11 | goodwill | Just to follow up, if I boot with a rootfs from elsewhere and mount the |
| 05:51.11 | goodwill | mmc card then suspend/resume, it corrupts the data on the card too so it |
| 05:51.11 | goodwill | looks like some general suspend/resume problem on mounted filesystems. |
| 05:51.30 | goodwill | Just to follow up, if I boot with a rootfs from elsewhere and mount the mmc card then suspend/resume, it corrupts the data on the card too so it looks like some general suspend/resume problem on mounted filesystems. |
| 05:51.36 | goodwill | ^^^ |
| 05:52.15 | goodwill | it seems the problem started with 2.6.22 |
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| 06:29.18 | goodwill | let me ask a stupid question |
| 06:29.41 | goodwill | is correct to worry about build in flash, give how its nand and will eventually fail |
| 06:30.04 | goodwill | besides size, thats a good reason to uses a sd card |
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| 06:30.10 | goodwill | cause you know those are replacable |
| 06:31.28 | doc|home | goodwill: it's more likely the phone will be out of date long before the flash starts to fail |
| 06:31.51 | goodwill | doc|home: really? cause I am planning to flash the hell out of this thing with updates and what not |
| 06:32.30 | doc|home | goodwill: your current phone uses a form of flash memory, has it failed on you yet? |
| 06:32.53 | goodwill | doc|home: but I do not flash my current phone at all |
| 06:33.10 | Q_Continuum | ever change settings, add music, contacts...? |
| 06:33.10 | goodwill | doc|home: it mainly some small storage that taxes the flashing |
| 06:33.15 | Q_Continuum | That's gonna store to flash too :D |
| 06:33.18 | goodwill | right |
| 06:34.04 | goodwill | but when you flash an entire os multiple time on and install packages...thats way more flash use |
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| 06:37.01 | mjr | Well. If the flash starts to fail, I would think you'd then switch to sd root... |
| 06:38.11 | mjr | wouldn't make sense to me to not to use it at all for the fear |
| 06:38.35 | goodwill | mjr: hopefully by then it won't have resume issues |
| 06:39.24 | mjr | yeah there was that too |
| 06:40.40 | mjr | anyway, "cross that bridge" material |
| 06:41.42 | mjr | if you want to stress the internal flash less (but still make use of it), you do know you can install software packages on the card also, and stuff |
| 06:44.40 | goodwill | mjr: well I am not sure I currently can |
| 06:44.53 | goodwill | mjr: fromw aht I read SD remount fails with corruption after resume |
| 06:45.12 | goodwill | mjr: so mounting /usr on sd is still not goign to be a solution |
| 06:45.15 | mjr | oh generally? |
| 06:45.24 | mjr | well, that's clearly a fixme then :] |
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| 07:12.31 | goodwill | mjr: I am not strong in kernel foo |
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| 07:24.07 | mjr | yeah, but one wouldn't expect that to remain so for very long, or then the gta02 is rather fail :] |
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| 09:36.28 | goodwill | what exactly is gecho |
| 09:36.37 | goodwill | I always have the make look for gecho |
| 09:37.25 | goodwill | is that likegnu echo? |
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| 09:48.36 | goodwill | this is kinda odd |
| 09:48.44 | goodwill | what use is avahi daemon on openmoko |
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| 09:50.37 | Sup3rkiddo | anyone worked with /dev/rtc here? |
| 09:50.43 | mjr | for advertising services over usb/wlan networking, perchance |
| 09:51.53 | goodwill | mjr: yeah, I find that a bit odd in a phone...but thats probably just me |
| 09:58.49 | goodwill | fso freezes up on qemu |
| 09:58.50 | goodwill | hmm |
| 09:58.58 | goodwill | also I used uboot from the official for it |
| 10:00.59 | goodwill | Sup3rkiddo: whas your SoC project? |
| 10:01.11 | juri_ | hmm. my openmoko blew a gasket during an upgrade, but before it did, i made a backup of the mtd devices. how do i mount those on my linux box? it appears cffs isn't a module on my debian machine... |
| 10:01.30 | Sup3rkiddo | goodwill, odeviced |
| 10:05.47 | goodwill | Sup3rkiddo: good stuff |
| 10:06.16 | Sup3rkiddo | goodwill, :P, yeah segfaults are fun |
| 10:06.46 | goodwill | Sup3rkiddo: yes...yes they are |
| 10:07.30 | Sup3rkiddo | goodwill, by any chance, do you happen to have some experience with ioctls |
| 10:07.58 | Sup3rkiddo | i am not able to open the rtc device...from what i know only process can use it at a time |
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| 10:11.18 | foolano | hi |
| 10:11.54 | foolano | does freerunner runs Qt out of the box or still gtk? |
| 10:12.08 | faern | foolano: gtk |
| 10:12.17 | goodwill | foolano: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
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| 10:15.09 | foolano | ok thanks, so next question how difficult is to get the ASU stack running on freerunnger? |
| 10:16.03 | goodwill | foolano: there are images in http://downloads.openmoko.org/asu/ |
| 10:16.14 | goodwill | foolano: getting them using regular flashing |
| 10:16.23 | goodwill | foolano: but asu is still not stable from what I know |
| 10:16.45 | goodwill | foolano: do you have a freerunner? |
| 10:18.38 | foolano | goodwill: not yet, i'm trying to make up my mind right now. I want a freerunner to hack. But I have more experience with Qt than with gtk |
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| 10:18.59 | goodwill | foolano: so basically there are different stacks |
| 10:20.04 | goodwill | foolano: gtk+ the old (which is still somewhat supported), qutopia whihc is being actively focused one, which is qtopia ported to X, and fso which is the where its going to go (which is bdub, python and efl) |
| 10:20.16 | goodwill | foolano: these are parallel stacks |
| 10:20.34 | goodwill | foolano: you can run gtk and qt stuff side by side |
| 10:20.43 | foolano | oh i see |
| 10:20.50 | goodwill | myself I am looking forward to fso |
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| 10:22.14 | foolano | if you don't mind, may i ask if i can flash the device with a new image if i buy the "normal" freerunner kit from any distributor or i need a developer version with Jtag stuff and so on to be able to do it? |
| 10:22.40 | goodwill | foolano: as far as I know you do not need a debug board |
| 10:23.13 | goodwill | foolano: all you need is a freerunner and a usb cable |
| 10:23.37 | goodwill | please note I am a relative n00b though |
| 10:23.57 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r954114f4f376 10/odeviced/src/plugins/rtc/ (rtc.c rtc.h rtc.vala): Read from wakealarm sysfs node if it is present |
| 10:24.19 | foolano | goodwill: thanks a lot for your answer |
| 10:24.27 | goodwill | foolano: np, glad to help |
| 10:27.10 | juri_ | ok, i've gone through the web pages now. HELP! |
| 10:27.24 | juri_ | i've got an openmoko that blew up during an upgrade, badly. |
| 10:27.53 | juri_ | it boots, and pulls up a login prompt, but when i hook the debug board to it, i get nothing on the serial. |
| 10:28.08 | juri_ | when i hook up the usb, i get a cdc ethernet device, but it dosent pung. |
| 10:28.30 | goodwill | juri_: ask Sup3rkiddo, I am just a n00b |
| 10:28.33 | juri_ | i'd like to backup the firmware thats on the device with dfu-util, and place an old backup i made onto the device. |
| 10:29.02 | Sup3rkiddo | i am a ub3rn00b |
| 10:29.03 | juri_ | previously, i catted all the /dev/mtd devices to my sd, so i have a backup of it at a sane state. |
| 10:29.14 | juri_ | facepalms. |
| 10:29.23 | foolano | i'm gonna clarify my question just in case someone else apart from goodwill wants to confirm: if i buy a normal freerunner, will i be able to flash it with an ASU image? |
| 10:29.26 | Sup3rkiddo | juri_, did you upgrade uboot? |
| 10:29.32 | Sup3rkiddo | foolano, yes |
| 10:29.40 | foolano | ok thanks |
| 10:29.41 | juri_ | i have not upgraded uboot since i got the device. |
| 10:29.59 | foolano | i'm gonna order pre-order or whatever my freerunner |
| 10:30.06 | juri_ | this is a simple 'opkg upgrade' gone wrong. |
| 10:30.13 | Sup3rkiddo | oh ok |
| 10:30.29 | juri_ | so, a pure userspace problem.. but with no keyboard, i cannot fix! :P |
| 10:30.47 | Sup3rkiddo | juri_, :P, ah...reflash it then ? |
| 10:30.51 | juri_ | ethernet won't let me in, serial on my jtag won't let me in.. |
| 10:30.59 | juri_ | sup3r: i need my phone numbers! |
| 10:31.08 | juri_ | i'm job hunting, and it contains vital contacts. |
| 10:31.31 | Sup3rkiddo | oh :( |
| 10:31.31 | juri_ | i'd be willing to re-flash, if i could make a backup of it at its current state. |
| 10:31.36 | juri_ | (to grab my phone number file) |
| 10:31.54 | goodwill | juri_: you might to ping XorA or raster |
| 10:32.05 | Sup3rkiddo | juri_, what image did it have, OM 2007.2 has a terminal app |
| 10:32.17 | Sup3rkiddo | juri_, or try to boot from SD? |
| 10:32.33 | juri_ | super: how would i boot to SD? |
| 10:32.33 | Sup3rkiddo | untar OM 2007.2 image to your SD and boot from that |
| 10:33.18 | juri_ | did i mention i hate your wiki? |
| 10:33.20 | juri_ | :) |
| 10:33.24 | Sup3rkiddo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card |
| 10:33.28 | juri_ | where would i find any information about booting to the SD? |
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| 10:33.46 | Sup3rkiddo | juri_, check the link i gave you, |
| 10:34.10 | juri_ | alright, thanks. |
| 10:34.21 | goodwill | juri_: just do not let you phone go into suspend, there have been know to corrupt the image on sd |
| 10:34.49 | juri_ | goodwill: will do. |
| 10:35.32 | Sup3rkiddo | goes to shower...flies over his head and near the armpits |
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| 10:36.51 | goodwill | summatus|afk: too much information |
| 10:36.59 | goodwill | oops |
| 10:37.12 | goodwill | Sup3rkiddo: : too much information |
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| 10:37.57 | Sup3rkiddo | =), could have been worse |
| 10:38.29 | goodwill | Sup3rkiddo: yeah, good excuse |
| 10:38.57 | goodwill | sings the I have not got no FreeRunner blues |
| 10:39.59 | goodwill | Unusually for a mobile phone, it also includes a USB host function, meaning it can be used to power USB devices. |
| 10:40.09 | goodwill | ooh, so I ca just have a small external usb camera |
| 10:40.19 | juri_ | ok, these instructions are broken. |
| 10:40.31 | juri_ | no links to the files i need to put on the sd! |
| 10:40.41 | juri_ | not even a hint on where to get them. |
| 10:41.15 | goodwill | juri_: what files? |
| 10:42.13 | juri_ | aparently, i'm looking for a version of 2007.2? |
| 10:42.43 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r8bfc973ab391 10/odeviced/src/plugins/rtc/rtc.c: rtc: Oops. add the init function |
| 10:42.56 | juri_ | sure,, theres directions on building. but the page on 2007.2 dosent point to a release, or where to get the snapshot images. |
| 10:43.17 | goodwill | you can try 2007.11 |
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| 10:43.24 | goodwill | http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/ |
| 10:43.47 | goodwill | is this neo or freerunner |
| 10:43.48 | Sup3rkiddo | juri_, you need to put images that end with .tar |
| 10:43.49 | goodwill | ? |
| 10:44.15 | Sup3rkiddo | juri_, do you have a build system for building the images? |
| 10:44.20 | juri_ | and.. theres not one in this directory. |
| 10:44.50 | juri_ | negative. |
| 10:45.11 | Sup3rkiddo | :/ |
| 10:45.38 | Sup3rkiddo | if theres way to extract from .jffs2 you could try that |
| 10:45.49 | goodwill | Tri-band GSM 900 or 850/1800/1900 |
| 10:45.53 | goodwill | what does that mean |
| 10:46.03 | goodwill | what does US use? |
| 10:46.06 | juri_ | you know, for a documented procedure, this is sure undocumented as all getout. |
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| 10:46.24 | Sup3rkiddo | goodwill, 850 afaik |
| 10:51.15 | juri_ | 2007.1 has rootfs images. 2007.2 dosent. |
| 10:59.13 | juri_ | curses. |
| 11:00.51 | goodwill | juri_: sorry dude |
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| 11:06.49 | juri_ | no backup and restore method, and no recover directions for anything resembling a recent release of the OS. |
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| 11:13.36 | juri_ | ok, those directions officially don't work. 'bad magic number'. even tho the partition is formatted ext2. |
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| 11:16.33 | juri_ | i've doublechecked the partition, yes, its ext2 and i can read the contents. |
| 11:25.19 | abraxa__ | juri_: Did you break the rootfs or u-boot? |
| 11:25.35 | juri_ | abra: the rootfs. uboot is working fine. |
| 11:25.47 | juri_ | right now, i'm backing up the unit, using dfu-util. |
| 11:25.57 | juri_ | even tho the wiki says this is unpossible. |
| 11:26.19 | abraxa__ | Did you have data on there that you want to keep? If not, I'd just overwrite it |
| 11:26.24 | juri_ | (sorry, bad documentation is a pet peeve of mine) |
| 11:26.31 | juri_ | yes, i have phone numbers i want to keep. |
| 11:27.01 | juri_ | i know where the file is in the filesystem. i even have a backup i made before all hell broke loose. |
| 11:27.17 | juri_ | but i have no way to push my backups to the flash, because the documentation on making a bootable SD is wrong. |
| 11:27.50 | juri_ | tries to calm down. |
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| 11:29.40 | abraxa__ | I doubt it's wrong, it just plain doesn't work at the moment |
| 11:32.31 | juri_ | so, to recap, i have a broken rootfs, which isn''t bringing up cdc ethernet, or the gui. i'd love to reflash, but i need my phone numbers off of the device. |
| 11:33.08 | juri_ | i am using a recent build if uboot (may 2, 2008).. |
| 11:33.37 | juri_ | and i have a jtag board, but the device does not have a serial port when it boots. |
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| 11:52.35 | juri_ | hmm. reading through the uboot env variables (that i luckily downloaded).. it appears to be trying to boot from a single ext2 filesyste. |
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| 12:00.26 | Bish | yey.. @ topic |
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| 12:40.20 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm, i should always fclose an open file descriptor don't i? |
| 12:42.09 | SpeedEvil | It depends. |
| 12:42.16 | Sup3rkiddo | oh, |
| 12:42.18 | SpeedEvil | Usually, but you can let the OS clean up for you |
| 12:42.24 | Sup3rkiddo | its from /dev/rtc |
| 12:42.36 | Sup3rkiddo | i have a nasty segfault if i fclose it |
| 12:42.43 | SpeedEvil | odd |
| 12:42.54 | Sup3rkiddo | otherwise, getting that invalid pointer..from glibc |
| 12:43.21 | Sup3rkiddo | has a reputation for silly segfaults |
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| 12:49.21 | Ainulindale | Is there any kind of howto to build a developing environment for the Freerunner ? |
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| 12:49.57 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, you could use the Makefile or the toolchain |
| 12:50.07 | Sup3rkiddo | toolchain is quicker |
| 12:50.12 | Sup3rkiddo | to setup |
| 12:50.50 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, if you don't know, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 12:51.21 | Ainulindale | Just what I was looking for, thanks |
| 12:52.10 | Ainulindale | And in order to run it on some kind of emulator ? |
| 12:52.21 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, there is qemu |
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| 13:05.07 | Ainulindale | Sup3rkiddo: Hmmm I fear I don't know one thing : is it possible to test, for example, an UI as it would be on, say, the freerunner ? |
| 13:06.03 | Ainulindale | Arf, gcc4 can't build qemu. What a pain in the ass. |
| 13:06.26 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, yeah, qemu need gcc3..OM has its own fork of qemu if i am correct |
| 13:07.03 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, if you give it some time (long one), you can use MokoMakefile |
| 13:07.21 | Ainulindale | I'm not in a hurry |
| 13:08.16 | Ainulindale | But I'll need a version of gcc-3 |
| 13:08.18 | Ainulindale | Sic'. |
| 13:09.00 | Ainulindale | well let's emerge "<gcc-4" |
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| 13:11.31 | Sup3rkiddo | yay gentoo :D |
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| 13:11.39 | Ainulindale | What ? |
| 13:11.51 | Bish | emerge, the gentoo python script |
| 13:11.55 | Sup3rkiddo | na, never mind..i use gentoo as well |
| 13:12.02 | Ainulindale | Yep, thanks, I know what I use Bish :-) |
| 13:12.13 | Bish | -_- .. |
| 13:12.19 | Ainulindale | Sup3rkiddo: Then you're a good kid. :-p |
| 13:12.26 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 13:12.39 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, FYI, i am 32 |
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| 13:13.23 | Ainulindale | You're a good and big kid then :-p |
| 13:14.01 | Sup3rkiddo | oh, yeah.. i am a "big" guy |
| 13:14.06 | Ainulindale | :-) |
| 13:14.19 | Ainulindale | And FYI, then, I'm 25, so the kind concept... :-) |
| 13:14.24 | Ainulindale | -n |
| 13:14.34 | Ainulindale | I'm tired, shouldn't drink wine this lunch. |
| 13:14.44 | Ainulindale | It's time for coffee \o/ |
| 13:14.57 | Sup3rkiddo | :D |
| 13:15.45 | Ainulindale | It's a pity I can't decide where to start from with the freerunner |
| 13:16.00 | Ainulindale | I want to do something, as I'm bored and what to have a nice phone, but I don't know what |
| 13:16.08 | Ainulindale | s/what/want/ |
| 13:16.44 | Ainulindale | At last, apt is helpful and not slow. |
| 13:17.03 | Ainulindale | dodges the troll-to-troll missile |
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| 13:28.35 | balrog-kun | o_O my neo's been up for 11h on battery, not completely idle |
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| 13:29.12 | balrog-kun | unless the connected debug board can provide power somehow.. |
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| 13:37.55 | juri_ | ok, so the dfu util in debian will download all the rootfs except the last 64K... |
| 13:38.23 | juri_ | and while i can download the uboot, i cannot upload the same uboot back to the device.. |
| 13:38.42 | juri_ | conciders shortening the rootfs. |
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| 13:46.45 | juri_ | ok, what file is my phone number database supposed to be in? |
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| 14:13.57 | juri_ | so, no-one here knows what file the phone numbers are kept in? |
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| 14:15.00 | dbmoodb_2 | hi ah any news on what a single buy will get one ? |
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| 14:15.22 | dbmoodb_2 | are the goodies only for the packs of 10 ? |
| 14:15.50 | dbmoodb_2 | is anyone aware of this stuff ? |
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| 14:22.37 | dbmoodb_2 | mm? |
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| 14:23.30 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03zecke * r637cae51cc0b 10/src/server/phone/callscreen/themed/callscreen.cpp: [theme] Update the two items in one go as well |
| 14:23.30 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03zecke * rfbb4d231838b 10/qtopiacore/qt/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [x11] Do not paint before we got a MapNotify from the X server |
| 14:23.31 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03zecke * r0804dac71580 10/qtopiacore/qt/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [x11] Do not wait for a MapNotify when the window is already mapped |
| 14:23.35 | juri_ | give up, man. |
| 14:23.36 | zedstar | dbmoodb some guys got their freerunners already and took pics of what came....i wasnt paying attention myself as to what was included but looked like goodies |
| 14:24.25 | juri_ | i've been asking question ater question, finding problem with the docs after problem.. and no answers from no-one tonight. not that thats exactly abnormal... |
| 14:25.43 | dbmoodb_2 | where are the pics ? |
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| 14:28.21 | dbmoodb_2 | zedstar: ... |
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| 14:28.33 | dbmoodb_2 | oh i see it |
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| 14:29.10 | zedstar | i remember it was either johnl or tig the username who had them so u can search irc log |
| 14:29.49 | dbmoodb_2 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
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| 14:31.36 | dbmoodb_2 | i can't find any info on approx battery time tho |
| 14:33.11 | zash | http://www.google.com/search?q=battery+time+site%3Alists.openmoko.org |
| 14:33.25 | SpeedEvil | dbmoodb_2: it's complex |
| 14:34.07 | SpeedEvil | dbmoodb_2: at some time in the future, it seems likely 7 hours |
| 14:34.15 | SpeedEvil | dbmoodb_2: 'on-active' time. |
| 14:34.24 | juri_ | ok found it.. by browsing through the source to the dialer.. |
| 14:34.48 | SpeedEvil | dbmoodb_2: and a week-10 days standby |
| 14:35.27 | SpeedEvil | dbmoodb_2: however. At the moment, the power saving is not implemented other than very partially. |
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| 14:37.24 | zash | someone sayed up to 1 month in standby with everything (including GSM) off |
| 14:37.27 | zash | not wery useful thou |
| 14:37.34 | SpeedEvil | zash: probably me |
| 14:37.42 | zash | probably |
| 14:37.44 | zash | :D |
| 14:37.44 | SpeedEvil | zash: that's the time in suspend-RAM |
| 14:38.15 | SpeedEvil | zash: but yes, that's probably not useful. |
| 14:39.33 | balrog-kun | juri_: where was it? |
| 14:40.11 | balrog-kun | juri_: inthe gtk+ framework... it's supposed to be some place called journal or moko-journal iirc and it should be some eds db |
| 14:40.38 | juri_ | balrog-kun: in /home/root/.evolution/adressbook/... |
| 14:40.48 | balrog-kun | dbmoodb_2: at least headphones come with the phones that i know |
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| 14:41.17 | juri_ | i'm majorly miffed, at this point. i've had a host of problems all night, and nothing i've picked up from the wiki at *any* point has been correct :/ |
| 14:41.56 | juri_ | but, i've about solved all my problems myself, by ignoring everything i've read. |
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| 14:43.21 | balrog-kun | ...and correcting what was wrong hopefully? :p |
| 14:43.29 | balrog-kun | has a 11h 45m uptime at the moment, on battery |
| 14:43.36 | balrog-kun | don't know how to find out if the modem is powered |
| 14:43.47 | juri_ | negative. i previously had trouble with your wiki. i'm just going to add pages to my own. |
| 14:44.41 | juri_ | if i'd had help at any point, sure, i'd go through the extra effort to mess with your wiki. instead i got misdirection, and ignorance. maybe i'll mess with that after i cool down.. |
| 14:44.50 | balrog-kun | the cpu is not in standby and not even very idle |
| 14:44.59 | juri_ | has never been quite this pissed at an opensource project. |
| 14:46.51 | dbmoodb | oh ah balrog-kun and that isn't shown in the picture of what you get - the headphones |
| 14:47.11 | dbmoodb | can we buy the pouch / headsets if we are not in a group of 10 ? |
| 14:47.51 | dbmoodb | 12 hours atm ? |
| 14:47.55 | dbmoodb | balrog-kun: call it ? |
| 14:48.39 | dbmoodb | juri_: its also the business end |
| 14:48.53 | dbmoodb | the guys on this don't all work with openmoko and so its adhoc |
| 14:49.34 | balrog-kun | dbmoodb: have no way to see what the modem prints (so even if it rings i won't see it) and also no SIM inside |
| 14:49.44 | juri_ | then the buisness end isn't doing their job, and actually fostering an opensource community. :/ |
| 14:49.46 | dbmoodb | balrog-kun: 11 hours ? |
| 14:49.54 | dbmoodb | oh common its got no sim in it |
| 14:49.56 | dbmoodb | 11 50 sorry |
| 14:50.11 | dbmoodb | balrog-kun: that's hardly fair |
| 14:50.37 | dbmoodb | balrog-kun: in addition why is the warranty only 14 days ? |
| 14:50.51 | dbmoodb | if i buy it from openmoko - i'm in australia how can i get it back within that period |
| 14:50.53 | balrog-kun | yeah, testing my hack |
| 14:51.03 | balrog-kun | dbmoodb: uh i had no idea there was a warranty |
| 14:51.30 | dbmoodb | balrog-kun: i want a linux phone but .... there is a price i am willing to pay and $430 for a phone with no warranty for me is a bit much |
| 14:51.33 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: call it |
| 14:51.41 | dbmoodb | he can't its got no sim in it SpeedEvil |
| 14:51.44 | dbmoodb | i just asked that |
| 14:51.44 | balrog-kun | it would be probably better for the marketting to give no warranty at all |
| 14:51.59 | SpeedEvil | If you are in the EU, the seller is bound by the distance selling regulations. |
| 14:52.11 | balrog-kun | you wouldn't even think about it if warranty wasn't mentioned |
| 14:52.12 | dbmoodb | balrog-kun: i demand a warranty for any linux device i buy with that distro on it |
| 14:52.20 | dbmoodb | balrog-kun: i would |
| 14:52.22 | SpeedEvil | And you can return it on opening it for a full refund. |
| 14:52.23 | balrog-kun | dbmoodb: only because now you've heard of the 14 days |
| 14:52.29 | dbmoodb | no |
| 14:52.31 | dbmoodb | balrog-kun: that is bs |
| 14:52.38 | dbmoodb | if i buy a phone i want a warranty |
| 14:52.42 | balrog-kun | it was probably a bad marketting move |
| 14:52.54 | SpeedEvil | It's probably not legal in the EU. |
| 14:52.58 | dbmoodb | balrog-kun: what instead not tell us its got no warranty |
| 14:53.04 | dbmoodb | balrog-kun: its illegal in australia too |
| 14:53.15 | mjr | Probably. Pulster.de does give 2 years. |
| 14:53.19 | zedstar | dbmoodb are u looking to buy and use the freerunner as an end user phone? or more interested in development on it? |
| 14:53.26 | balrog-kun | hmm i don't think i've ever bought anything on warrant |
| 14:53.29 | balrog-kun | y |
| 14:53.31 | dbmoodb | zedstar: -linux phone |
| 14:53.36 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: doesn't really matter - if the hardware fails. |
| 14:53.41 | dbmoodb | balrog-kun: oh common why can you buy without one |
| 14:53.55 | dbmoodb | zedstar: the software is fine. i am worried about the hardware |
| 14:54.04 | flaushy | SpeedEvil: you can damage hardware by using wrong firmware |
| 14:54.22 | dbmoodb | flaushy: we are nto talking about doing that |
| 14:54.40 | zedstar | "well the software is fine" is quite subjective anyway |
| 14:54.47 | balrog-kun | dbmoodb: and btw you know very well why there's no warranty |
| 14:55.02 | dbmoodb | balrog-kun: i have no idea why thereisn't |
| 14:55.14 | zedstar | i wouldnt consider the software fine right now if you are looking at using it seriously as an end user device |
| 14:55.18 | balrog-kun | it's a hacking platform |
| 14:55.21 | dbmoodb | netgear just gave a 1 year i think it is might be two years, on their new open source router |
| 14:55.24 | balrog-kun | not a daily use phone |
| 14:55.25 | dbmoodb | balrog-kun: no excuse |
| 14:55.29 | zedstar | but your definition may vary |
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| 14:55.49 | Jausk | Hi |
| 14:56.20 | dbmoodb | zedstar: i can buy an eee pc |
| 14:56.26 | dbmoodb | with a warranty for the same amount |
| 14:56.39 | dbmoodb | that is a much better hacking platform |
| 14:56.58 | flaushy | not really (from my point of view) |
| 14:56.59 | balrog-kun | it's not a developer platform at all, it's a ready product |
| 14:57.27 | dbmoodb | balrog-kun: what did you just say before you said not |
| 14:57.32 | dbmoodb | now you say it is ready |
| 14:57.35 | zedstar | me thinks you might be confused a bit to the current target audience of the freerunner |
| 14:57.36 | dbmoodb | which is it ? |
| 14:57.39 | balrog-kun | dbmoodb: eee pc |
| 14:57.55 | dbmoodb | thinks not |
| 14:57.58 | russellb | people that can help make it work? |
| 14:57.59 | russellb | :) |
| 14:58.25 | Jausk | the battery of freerunner how its during? |
| 14:58.26 | dbmoodb | zedstar: if i buy a hard disk i get a warranty, but not with this phone ? |
| 14:59.22 | dbmoodb | you may as well send me a brick and it will be out of warranty period (you being openmoko / fic) so i can't do anything |
| 14:59.34 | textshell|away | dbmoodb: sold from openmoko inc directly it only has warranty against beeing more broken than the rest of the devices at arrival. |
| 14:59.38 | textshell|away | afaik. |
| 14:59.43 | zedstar | i imagine things like warrenty would be addressed better when there is a consumer ready phone |
| 15:00.27 | dbmoodb | zedstar: so what is this then ? |
| 15:00.41 | mjr | dbmoodb, not one. |
| 15:00.45 | textshell|away | european distributors need to comply with the european laws which means 2 years, but they can still fiddle around with the promised features. |
| 15:00.47 | balrog-kun | dbmoodb: go read the wiki ;) |
| 15:00.57 | zedstar | it is a developers phone...a chance for u to get invovled in something that might change the mobile landscape a bit |
| 15:01.09 | dbmoodb | zedstar: balrog-kun i have read the wiki |
| 15:01.17 | balrog-kun | dbmoodb: see, this not giving warranty made you realize this is not the product you were looking for |
| 15:01.18 | dbmoodb | textshell|away: who is giving a two year warranty ? |
| 15:01.24 | balrog-kun | otherwise you might have not noticed |
| 15:01.35 | textshell|away | dbmoodb: it's a development platform with real chance to be usabe as mobile phone too. |
| 15:01.54 | dbmoodb | textshell: the only thing bothering me is the warranty |
| 15:01.58 | mjr | dbmoodb, pulster, as I said. I'm happy they do, hope they don't suffer from it. Don't know if they sell outside EU, would be doubtful. |
| 15:02.58 | zedstar | if u really want a linux phone motorola do some nice ones! |
| 15:03.01 | dbmoodb | i'm not going to play ball with a company who isn't sure enough in their own devices to give me a warranty. i'm a student i'm not putting my money into something that can break due to some hardware problem and not get it covered under a warranty. |
| 15:03.07 | dbmoodb | zedstar: pft |
| 15:03.10 | Jausk | ey anyone can answer my question? |
| 15:03.32 | dbmoodb | Jausk: what was it ? |
| 15:03.40 | Jausk | about battery life |
| 15:04.14 | textshell | dbmoodb: for distributors in europe see openmoko.com. But i'm not sure if the laws in europe are what you'd call warranty. In .eu there's something the store you buy from needs to do and then there's what the producer offers, they are different tihngs. |
| 15:04.38 | russellb | there needs to be an infobot in this channel for FAQ ... |
| 15:04.42 | juri_ | if it helps, i have two neo1973's in front of me, and they've held up. |
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| 15:05.11 | juri_ | so, thats 2/1000 of the previous model that went into production, and work flawlessly. |
| 15:05.14 | textshell | dbmoodb: i'm a student too, more or less. But yes, openmoko isn't really 100% sure if there's still a hardware problem. |
| 15:05.17 | dbmoodb | juri_: i know i know but lets say there is a defect in production that doesn't show till later. i'm a student. |
| 15:05.27 | balrog-kun | so the warranty would have given you an even more wrong idea of what the freerunner is |
| 15:05.54 | textshell | Jausk: with the current software it's not good. But it's expected to get better. |
| 15:05.57 | SpeedEvil | A _hardware_ warranty is completely seperate drom a software warranty. |
| 15:06.02 | juri_ | balrog: the wiki itsself is confused about wether the freerunner is production ready, or not at all. |
| 15:06.22 | SpeedEvil | The hardware is supposed to be. |
| 15:06.27 | Jausk | textshell, how time? |
| 15:06.33 | dbmoodb | balrog-kun: you can't sell devices legally that come dead on arrival under australian law i don't know but us, but if you send (you being the company) a device via your transport methods to a consumer and its dead its your fault. |
| 15:06.36 | juri_ | of course, i've been doing alright with my neo. |
| 15:06.38 | SpeedEvil | At one point - the hype was that frerunner would be mass market. |
| 15:06.51 | dbmoodb | SpeedEvil: i thought it still was ? |
| 15:07.00 | russellb | the SW is nowhere near IMO ... |
| 15:07.03 | SpeedEvil | dbmoodb: at release |
| 15:07.22 | zedstar | the Neo1973 didnt even boot out of the box! but at least the Freerunner does :) |
| 15:07.23 | SpeedEvil | The software is an utter joke. - as a mass market device. |
| 15:07.41 | mjr | dbmoodb, yeah, OM's warranty is exactly of the DOA variety |
| 15:08.07 | textshell | SpeedEvil: yes, it's supposed to be hardware that's ready for a consumer phone, but i don't think openmoko is 100% convinced that there isn't a small but fatal problem. At least i wouldn't without a working realistic test. |
| 15:08.25 | juri_ | speed: actually, the qtopia build is rather nice. the other build is.. interesting, but functional. sometimes anyways. :) |
| 15:08.54 | SpeedEvil | juri_: I mean - it's certainly not consumer ready. |
| 15:09.16 | dbmoodb | mmm so they have done lots of testing. there have been lots of delays. i have seen the neos they are nice |
| 15:09.17 | SpeedEvil | juri_: would you be happy giving it with the manual to someone with no linux skills. |
| 15:09.50 | flaushy | textshell: in europe u have warranty, in germany, as pulster is, 6 month all is covered, so seller needs to prove that you broke it, after 6 months, you need to prove that it is broken because of faulty device (bad material) |
| 15:09.51 | dbmoodb | 1973's.... they are built well good boards i suppose. what possible problem could there be with them atm --- i am talking about a killer bug here in the hardware |
| 15:10.12 | SpeedEvil | dbmoodb: something in FR that precludes getting >1 day standby life. |
| 15:10.19 | SpeedEvil | dbmoodb: ... |
| 15:10.22 | dbmoodb | fr ? |
| 15:10.30 | SpeedEvil | FreeRunner |
| 15:10.53 | SpeedEvil | dbmoodb: the FR is largely different design from the 1973 |
| 15:10.57 | dbmoodb | well.... the first one had that problem but qt build was supposed to fix some of that |
| 15:11.20 | dbmoodb | SpeedEvil: yeah but this one works for > 6 hours without a charge yah ? |
| 15:11.31 | SpeedEvil | dbmoodb: yes. |
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| 15:12.18 | dbmoodb | realistically i only need 12 hours at a time. that includes some wifi (15mins maybe) some gps perhaps . |
| 15:12.34 | dbmoodb | i take it wifi / gps are not battery killers :) (hopes) |
| 15:12.39 | SpeedEvil | wifi is |
| 15:12.40 | dbmoodb | (too much ) |
| 15:12.42 | flaushy | they are ^^ |
| 15:12.46 | SpeedEvil | well - not too badly |
| 15:12.47 | dbmoodb | how muc tho ? |
| 15:12.47 | Deubeuliou | Arcus, here :) |
| 15:12.51 | dbmoodb | much* |
| 15:12.55 | Arcus | yes, hello |
| 15:12.56 | SpeedEvil | IIRC GPS is about 100mW, wifi 250mW |
| 15:13.02 | flaushy | question is how good there is cell coverage |
| 15:13.05 | dbmoodb | what is the normal drain ? |
| 15:13.08 | Deubeuliou | bye. good luck |
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| 15:13.19 | flaushy | here in our computer science department u drain every cell phone within 12 hours |
| 15:13.31 | flaushy | due to bunker like architecture -.- |
| 15:13.39 | SpeedEvil | So, 5%/hour battery extra for wifi, 2.5% for GPS |
| 15:13.55 | dbmoodb | SpeedEvil: that's ultralight in my books |
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| 15:14.23 | SpeedEvil | Err |
| 15:14.36 | SpeedEvil | I may have mixed up units for the wifi |
| 15:14.44 | SpeedEvil | It may be 15%/hour. |
| 15:14.44 | dbmoodb | 50% ? rofl |
| 15:15.27 | Jausk | and talking? |
| 15:15.50 | juri_ | hmm. i don't suppose theres someone here who can help me shorten the partition size of the rootfs by 64K? |
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| 15:16.34 | balrog-kun | juri_: do you have access to the u-boot command line now? |
| 15:17.02 | juri_ | despite what you read on the wiki <standard rant here>, dfu-util will download files from the openmoko just fine.. except if the rootfs image is full. |
| 15:17.18 | juri_ | balrog-kun: i'd need to do that in the u-boot_env file, right? |
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| 15:17.37 | juri_ | i've tried hexediting the length, and regenerating the file with pieces of the devirginator. no dice. |
| 15:17.42 | balrog-kun | juri_: yeah, possibly, i've not flashed through that script yet |
| 15:17.57 | balrog-kun | it's supposed to be a text file you have to edit |
| 15:18.09 | juri_ | i'm not flashing through that script. i'm just using that piece to generate a new u-boot_env, and dfu-util to push it to the unit. |
| 15:18.23 | balrog-kun | juri_: oh, ok |
| 15:18.40 | balrog-kun | well, u-boot_env should also contain all the env variables in plaintext |
| 15:18.49 | balrog-kun | so there's a variable called mtdparts |
| 15:18.52 | juri_ | both the perl script and the environment file don't have spots for editing.. right. :) |
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| 15:18.57 | juri_ | i'm editing that. |
| 15:19.01 | juri_ | and failing. :) |
| 15:19.43 | juri_ | reducing the mtdparts section for rootfs by 64k results in the unit telling me i have an offset problem. |
| 15:20.08 | juri_ | "partition rootfs size alignment incorrect". |
| 15:20.14 | balrog-kun | oh.. oh.. i think i know what it might be |
| 15:20.34 | balrog-kun | juri_: is that gta01 though? |
| 15:20.41 | juri_ | yes, it is. |
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| 15:22.00 | balrog-kun | the sizes need to be erase-block aligned, but the erase block on gta01 was 0x8000 bytes big |
| 15:22.04 | balrog-kun | so 32k |
| 15:22.17 | balrog-kun | on gta02 is't 0x20000 bytes |
| 15:22.50 | juri_ | but that dosent make any sense, the u_boot-env is 4000h... |
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| 15:23.10 | juri_ | think i need to bring it down by 4000h, instead of 2000h? |
| 15:24.15 | balrog-kun | well, the rootfs you wanted to shorten by 10000 |
| 15:25.04 | balrog-kun | 2000 would give you problems for sure, i'm not sure why 4000 isn't giving me problems o_0 |
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| 15:27.19 | balrog-kun | u-boot_env is 0x40000 on the gta02 |
| 15:27.24 | balrog-kun | so 256kB |
| 15:27.43 | juri_ | 16k on the 01. |
| 15:27.54 | dbmoodb | btw can the phone make phone calls and work properly with that stuff atm |
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| 15:28.11 | Dave | Can it make phone calls? Yes. |
| 15:28.17 | dbmoodb | sms ? |
| 15:28.35 | Bumbl | as far as i have read yes |
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| 15:29.04 | balrog-kun | not very reliably, depending on the software you use to sms and call |
| 15:29.08 | dbmoodb | ok good enough if battery is reaching over 10 hours fine by me. if some one can test it in use i would love to see that |
| 15:29.21 | dbmoodb | balrog-kun: qt latest openmoko build ? |
| 15:29.42 | balrog-kun | dbmoodb: well, the fso (python stuff) is said to have better results than the qt stuff |
| 15:30.47 | balrog-kun | i've not tried either yet, outside emulation |
| 15:31.07 | ScaredyCat | *blink* |
| 15:31.52 | dbmoodb | balrog-kun: i think you are not very helpful. you have made me consider not buying the thing just buy your comments. i will see what happens with the test reports |
| 15:32.04 | dbmoodb | and see what happens from there |
| 15:32.36 | igor321 | how is he not helpful? |
| 15:32.59 | dbmoodb | on that note can some one do a test if you have a gta2 runnint the latest qt / openmoko build on uptime with a sim in connected to the phone network / callable . then perhaps try with wifi and gps (seperately) and finally with both on. |
| 15:33.13 | dbmoodb | igor321: just with his dismisive comments regarding the warranty. |
| 15:33.25 | balrog-kun | dbmoodb: i think making you not buy something you woudln't want to buy is rather helpful |
| 15:33.30 | dbmoodb | igor321: i trust people and then they tell me they don't have it out side of a vm :) |
| 15:33.44 | dbmoodb | balrog-kun: i want to buy. |
| 15:34.20 | dbmoodb | i dont want some guy on irc telling me i shouldn't buy it. tell it my freelink nas and my openwrt router. hence, i was hoping for a warranty this time |
| 15:34.24 | balrog-kun | ok.. something you would regret buying, or make someone else regret they sold you :p |
| 15:34.27 | dbmoodb | that's all |
| 15:34.34 | dbmoodb | could regret |
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| 15:34.46 | Dave | Calls and TXT works fine, thanks. |
| 15:34.50 | dbmoodb | yes i have accept this but don't talk me out of buying the damn thing |
| 15:34.53 | igor321 | well you asked he answered, nothing wrong with the truth |
| 15:35.09 | Dave | It's the first thing that I tested after inserting a SIM card. |
| 15:35.18 | dbmoodb | igor321: not completly its just different he was being overly careful to me nothing wrong with that |
| 15:35.37 | dbmoodb | Dave: thank you and can ou test and do a write up of the battery performance ? |
| 15:36.00 | Dave | uhh, there's not much to write up. |
| 15:36.32 | Dave | I'm not going to perform a full length battery benchmark since that wouldn't be very sensible right now. |
| 15:36.34 | dbmoodb | well how long does it last for with a sim in it connected to a phone network |
| 15:36.42 | dbmoodb | dave sure thing |
| 15:36.54 | dbmoodb | but just quickly from your experience how long connected to a network ? |
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| 15:37.06 | dbmoodb | like less than 10 hours > 6 hours ? |
| 15:37.16 | Dave | Though as far as timeframe, it easily lasts over 24hr if you have it sit there, screen off, and accessories off :P |
| 15:37.27 | balrog-kun | that about making calls is not even my opinion, it's being discussed here about everyday and the consensus is that there's no rootfs image that succeeds to make or receive calls/messages in 100% at this time, it was probably mentioned in the topic at times |
| 15:37.29 | Dave | since I left it on, on my desk, all yesterday |
| 15:38.05 | dbmoodb | aloril: that's fine |
| 15:38.19 | dbmoodb | my nokia doesn't either :) ( i meant balrog-kun not aloril ) |
| 15:38.23 | dbmoodb | Dave: ok that's great |
| 15:38.25 | mwester | dbmoodb: the questions you ask cannot be answered very well, because there is no firmware image that has all the software working at the same time yet. |
| 15:38.29 | Dave | dbmoodb: if you want I can turn on wifi/gps/gsm and leave it powered on |
| 15:38.44 | dbmoodb | Dave: yeah that would be good. mwester yes i realise |
| 15:38.46 | Dave | granted with almost no data transmission it might be a better test :P |
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| 15:39.04 | dbmoodb | ok thank you dave. i will be buying one ! start the hacking |
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| 15:39.10 | igor321 | can someone port quake 1 on it and tell me how fast it runs? :) |
| 15:39.11 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r9cd6bbc1f358 10/odeviced/src/plugins/rtc/rtc.c: return wakeup time including hours and minutes |
| 15:39.14 | Dave | I have already begun :) |
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| 15:39.37 | textshell | Dave: i think want would be really great to know is how stable suspending is these days and how long it lasts in reasonable usage... |
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| 15:39.51 | balrog-kun | ok, with dyn-tick timers (i.e. CONFIG_NO_IDLE_HZ) my battery is dead after approximately 12h 45m, but no crash |
| 15:40.01 | Dave | suspending, as in the apm function? |
| 15:40.44 | textshell | suspending as in cpu goes into low power mode but still wakes on calls. |
| 15:40.54 | Dave | Ah. |
| 15:41.44 | mjr | somebody said yesterday the SD card is unstable on suspend/resume, that the situation? |
| 15:41.45 | Dave | yeah, I was just thinking, it would be nice to have an on-demand type of apm for the major components of the phone :p |
| 15:42.59 | textshell | Well i think managing wifi and gps per and isn't that big of a problem. Main CPU and backlight need to be ondemand managed some way to be usable imho. |
| 15:43.16 | Dave | Right. |
| 15:43.31 | textshell | but i got the impression that at least some images have the support but not the reliability. |
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| 15:47.16 | lukhas | damn, I can't find where I read about the timezone hack for the Neo... |
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| 15:49.03 | mwester | What are you trying to hack about the timezone? |
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| 15:49.18 | mwester | (timezones seem pretty standard these days) |
| 15:49.30 | lukhas | telling my Neo what TZ I'm in |
| 15:49.54 | lukhas | no tzconfig, no /etc/timezone, I'm lost |
| 15:49.55 | mwester | Oh, just to select the timezone? |
| 15:49.59 | lukhas | yep |
| 15:50.08 | lukhas | I'm on OM-2007.2 |
| 15:51.14 | mwester | That's just a standard Linux thing these days; just copy the correct file for your location from /usr/share/zoneinfo/... to /etc/local (I create a symbolic link, just because it's neater) |
| 15:51.31 | mwester | localtime -> ../usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago |
| 15:51.56 | lukhas | ah, right |
| 15:52.11 | lukhas | thanks, it worked |
| 15:52.17 | mwester | Cool. |
| 15:52.25 | juri_ | balrog-kun: yay! that did it! |
| 15:52.28 | mwester | Now the question is, does your unit keep time? |
| 15:52.40 | lukhas | I just rebooted, we'll see |
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| 15:52.57 | lukhas | I don't mind ntpdate-ing every boot, anyway |
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| 15:53.05 | balrog-kun | woot |
| 15:53.30 | mwester | Heh - that's what I do also; mine boots up several hours off from the real time, although it seems to keep time whilst running. |
| 15:53.34 | juri_ | now, i'll check to make sure i can back it up with dfa-util... |
| 15:54.18 | balrog-kun | did his backing up from under linux, just sending /dev/mtdblockN over |
| 15:54.34 | lukhas | it kept time across a reboot |
| 15:54.38 | juri_ | balrogkun: that WILL fail. |
| 15:54.46 | juri_ | i ended up in a corner case. |
| 15:54.58 | lukhas | but since I've got ntpdate installed, it's probably called at boot time :) |
| 15:55.15 | juri_ | dfu-util will fail to restore a image that is full. only by reducing its size by 64K will it allow you to push it to the device. |
| 15:55.18 | theocrite | hopes the neo will be availaible before august, his current phone is working worse and worse every day :/ |
| 15:55.52 | juri_ | tests. |
| 15:55.59 | Dave | haha |
| 15:56.19 | Dave | juri, that is clearly a bug. |
| 15:56.23 | textshell | theocrite: neo is no longer sold, and freerunner developer handsets are already beeing sold. |
| 15:56.39 | Dave | txtsh, I believe that's what he was referring to :] |
| 15:56.42 | kdubois | but only in europe... |
| 15:57.21 | lukhas | the openmoko.com web shop should open on the 4th of July |
| 15:57.51 | kdubois | yay! happy independance day :P |
| 15:57.58 | Dave | haha coi |
| 15:58.01 | Dave | Freedom day! |
| 15:58.10 | lukhas | yeah :) |
| 15:58.11 | Dave | Celebrate your independence, by freeing yourself from your phone :P |
| 15:58.19 | Dave | No more tentacle rape for me! :p |
| 15:58.41 | Dave | Haha the symbolism is disgustingly ironic (re: date of the supposed release) :P |
| 16:00.53 | igor321 | i thought there was something about tentacles and phones :) |
| 16:01.16 | zedstar | i thought he had sex with an octopus! |
| 16:01.52 | igor321 | me too! |
| 16:02.12 | zedstar | impressive! those things swim fast :) |
| 16:03.02 | igor321 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_the_Fisherman%27s_Wife |
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| 16:03.06 | igor321 | pardon this :) |
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| 16:24.03 | theocrite | textshell: and the GA02 ? |
| 16:24.16 | textshell | gta02 = freerunner |
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| 16:24.36 | theocrite | Then this will be sold again right ? |
| 16:24.48 | theocrite | put his name on a list already. |
| 16:25.48 | textshell | freerunners will be sold soon. depending on you location you might even be able to order now. |
| 16:26.08 | textshell | But keep in mind the freerunner isn't really consumer ready yet. |
| 16:27.36 | theocrite | I think i'm a consumer geekstuff ready. |
| 16:28.35 | textshell | just don't expect a working smartphone, or something that works out of the box without trouble. |
| 16:28.42 | theocrite | k |
| 16:29.12 | textshell | @all: is there any (wiki?) page that somewhat reasonable describes the overall status of the freerunner hardware+current software bundle? |
| 16:32.20 | LionKMP | there is a page about gta02 hw on the openmoko wiki |
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| 16:34.36 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rc071e0a56e16 10/otapi/ (2 files): |
| 16:34.36 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.xml.in: add LAC (location area code) and CID (cell id) to the expected tuples in the |
| 16:34.36 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: status signal |
| 16:34.46 | faern | Is there any chance that you might brick your freerunner or something when flashing it? |
| 16:34.59 | Sup3rkiddo | faern, if you screw up with a uboot, yes |
| 16:35.07 | Sup3rkiddo | i mean flashing the wrong uboot |
| 16:35.47 | faern | ok :/ then lets hope that never happens. |
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| 16:36.03 | SpeedEvil | Sup3rkiddo: what's the status of the backup memory? |
| 16:36.06 | roh | Sup3rkiddo there is still uboot in nor then. gta02 is basically unbrickable |
| 16:36.22 | Sup3rkiddo | oh..ok, i didnt know that...sorry |
| 16:36.26 | LionKMP | some sources said you can brick it with debug board only |
| 16:36.34 | LionKMP | but then you can also fix it :) |
| 16:36.35 | faern | roh: phew. good |
| 16:36.36 | roh | and one can only write the nor with a debugboard. |
| 16:36.44 | Sup3rkiddo | aha |
| 16:36.49 | roh | which also means one can unbrick it also then. |
| 16:36.54 | Sup3rkiddo | yeah |
| 16:37.02 | Sup3rkiddo | SpeedEvil, ? |
| 16:37.04 | SpeedEvil | roh: I heard differently - namely that you couldn't get at the NOR through DFU, but linux could do it. |
| 16:37.13 | SpeedEvil | roh: I assume then this was incorrect? |
| 16:37.16 | roh | so we short-circuited the problem with some tricky logic there ;) |
| 16:37.30 | SpeedEvil | roh: and the first idea of completely RO without debug was implemented? |
| 16:37.48 | roh | i dunno if there are drivers to write the nor from uboot. i guess so. |
| 16:37.55 | SpeedEvil | roh: And is the NOR flashed with a usable rescue image of some sort? |
| 16:38.19 | roh | the nor is ro by force. the only way to rw it is to connect a debugboard or to solder |
| 16:38.37 | roh | the gta02 itself cannot control the rw-line |
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| 16:38.52 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r7f4d7738626a 10/odeviced/src/plugins/rtc/ (rtc.c rtc.vala): Close file descriptors properly |
| 16:38.58 | SpeedEvil | roh: it boots off NOR, and then transfers control to NAND if a magic keypress isn't done? |
| 16:39.15 | roh | SpeedEvil it boots nand |
| 16:39.29 | roh | it only boots nor if you hold down aux while booting |
| 16:39.43 | SpeedEvil | roh: where is that implemented? Hardware, or in the NAND? |
| 16:39.56 | SpeedEvil | roh: the button detection - is it software or hardware? |
| 16:40.06 | roh | in hardware. there is a physical extra nor flash |
| 16:40.20 | mjr | would seem a bit silly if it was software... |
| 16:40.25 | SpeedEvil | K - so it's somethign pulled up saying 'boot off other media'. |
| 16:40.38 | roh | part hard, part software. the flash to be booted is selected by hardware, what happens then is by software |
| 16:40.40 | SpeedEvil | mjr: indeed - I was just clarifying my understanding of the hardware. |
| 16:40.53 | SpeedEvil | Lacking circuit diagrams :( |
| 16:41.05 | roh | the arm has some lines which select which of the few modes and types of flash it uses to boot. |
| 16:42.11 | roh | need to run.. bbl. |
| 16:42.16 | SpeedEvil | WAve. |
| 16:42.24 | roh | SpeedEvil you can still sign the nda for schems ;) |
| 16:42.31 | roh | *cough* |
| 16:42.46 | SpeedEvil | roh: How? |
| 16:43.25 | roh | if you have real specific questions (or even better want to write documentation about it in the wiki or so) send me a mail, and i'll see if i can do some partial snaps from the schems like for the bat_id stuff |
| 16:43.43 | SpeedEvil | roh: K |
| 16:43.48 | roh | SpeedEvil send a mail to steve and explain why you need schems *cough* |
| 16:44.16 | roh | the only problem is, with nda one always need to care what to say. |
| 16:44.35 | SpeedEvil | Will think on that. |
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| 16:47.46 | roh | SpeedEvil but hey.. if youre good at hw .. see openmoko.com. we still need more good hw-hackers |
| 16:48.30 | juri_ | ok, those settings work. |
| 16:48.45 | juri_ | i now iave a script for backing up my open moko remotely over the usb cable. |
| 16:49.58 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r694c7cc734e2 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.xml.in: otapi: fix typo |
| 16:50.02 | Dave | oh snaps |
| 16:50.10 | Dave | this camera is sooooooooo lagged |
| 16:50.20 | SpeedEvil | roh: I'm unfortunately not up to a fulltime job healthwise. |
| 16:50.49 | roh | well.. we are flexible.. just suggest something |
| 16:51.03 | roh | (flexible.. yeah.. need to.. we have people in every continent) |
| 16:51.38 | roh | bbiab |
| 16:51.41 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc8c5a165c5c2 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/ (5 files in 4 dirs): ophoned: change signature of org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.[Get]Status to conform to OTAPI |
| 16:51.44 | SpeedEvil | roh: Again - thanks - I'll have to think what I can realistically do. WAve. |
| 16:53.09 | kinneh | any/topic |
| 16:53.14 | kinneh | sorry |
| 16:53.47 | kinneh | anybody that can recommend any specific image (i got a gta01) |
| 16:54.51 | Tig| | kinneh: ScaredyCat's images are good |
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| 16:55.40 | Dave | pesky feline! |
| 16:56.04 | Tig| | I am running the gta02 one and it is nice and stable, has tangogps already in it, a debug tool that is handy and the best bluetooth support I have used :) |
| 16:56.21 | Tig| | Dave: aye :) |
| 16:57.24 | Dave | ;) |
| 17:00.04 | juri_ | so, who feels like filing a bug report, complete with workaround? :) |
| 17:00.28 | juri_ | after fighting my phone for 7 hours, i'm not quite in the mood. :P |
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| 17:07.01 | Dave | :D |
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| 17:09.34 | juri_ | now i can get back to my productive activity.. reading an assembly book. UGH. |
| 17:09.57 | Dave | haha |
| 17:10.02 | Dave | Doubtful :p |
| 17:10.56 | diego71 | hi |
| 17:11.04 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r90d9f2996b3e 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:11.04 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: ophoned: enable proprietary unsolicited signal strength code on TI Calypso and send |
| 17:11.04 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.SignalStrength accordingly |
| 17:11.11 | diego71 | how can i build OFT software for neo? |
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| 17:16.27 | mwester | thinks SpeedEvil should consider that... :) The community needs more people on the "inside" ;) :D |
| 17:17.59 | mwester | mickeyl: any particular mail-list, or channel for questions and discussions on fso? I'd like to take a more active role in those images, if I can help out in any way. |
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| 17:18.48 | ||Leto|| | any clue if i will be able to fast-charge the fr with my motorola usb-charger? |
| 17:20.05 | CIA-26 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra7478165b3e7 10/odeviced/src/plugins/rtc/ (rtc.c rtc.h rtc.vala): Check properly for sys/class/rtc/wakealarm and return it if present |
| 17:20.42 | mjr | able to: yes, automatically detecting that spesific charger: no idea, automatically assuming it's that charger: yes, though depends if that's a good idea |
| 17:21.05 | tomboy64 | mhmmm |
| 17:21.17 | Sup3rkiddo | mwester, there is smartphone-standards mailing lists |
| 17:21.23 | textshell | mwester: did you look at http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Infrastructure ? |
| 17:21.49 | mwester | textshell: yep. |
| 17:22.06 | textshell | mwester: if you want to work on the standards + reference implementation side. |
| 17:22.29 | Dave | hah, standards. |
| 17:22.39 | textshell | i'd imagine that the rest of the image are discussed in some openmoko.org ml. |
| 17:23.05 | Sup3rkiddo | devel, if i am right |
| 17:23.11 | textshell | Dave: yes, pseudo standards i.e. documented interfaces meant for reuse and independent implementation. |
| 17:23.15 | Dave | godslastering! |
| 17:23.18 | Dave | ja :p |
| 17:23.24 | tomboy64 | does the pouch contain a place for the stylus? |
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| 17:23.41 | Sup3rkiddo | there is a pouch? |
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| 17:23.46 | tomboy64 | there is |
| 17:23.53 | Sup3rkiddo | didn have it in his SoC device :( |
| 17:23.55 | Sup3rkiddo | mwaaaa |
| 17:23.57 | tomboy64 | it's contained in the 10-packs (afaik) |
| 17:24.01 | Sup3rkiddo | ah ok |
| 17:24.10 | textshell | Sup3rkiddo: 10 packs get those. Or buyers on pulster.de can order them seperatly. |
| 17:24.11 | tomboy64 | and it's sold additionally from the resellers |
| 17:24.18 | Sup3rkiddo | i see |
| 17:24.31 | tomboy64 | so any ideas about it? |
| 17:24.33 | Sup3rkiddo | pouches dont have a separate slot for the stylys |
| 17:24.45 | tomboy64 | Sup3rkiddo: u r sure? |
| 17:25.07 | Sup3rkiddo | a local research centre bought a neo1973 lunchbox...the pouch didn thave a slot |
| 17:25.17 | tomboy64 | oh, ok |
| 17:25.23 | Sup3rkiddo | however you could keep it in the pouch without any problems |
| 17:25.31 | Sup3rkiddo | just that there isnt a separate provision |
| 17:25.35 | goodwill | juri_: so how did you fix it? |
| 17:25.53 | tomboy64 | Sup3rkiddo: mhmm ok |
| 17:26.32 | Sup3rkiddo | tomboy64, there is "ridge" on the sides, so it can fit there |
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| 17:26.52 | tomboy64 | i c :) |
| 17:26.55 | tomboy64 | good to know |
| 17:27.06 | tomboy64 | so you'd recommend buying the pouch? |
| 17:27.21 | Sup3rkiddo | yeah, imo, i liked it |
| 17:27.34 | mjr | well if you like pouches... |
| 17:27.34 | Sup3rkiddo | it did add to the style factor |
| 17:27.38 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 17:27.47 | Sup3rkiddo | or if you are a marsupial |
| 17:27.56 | Sup3rkiddo | ok, that was lame |
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| 17:28.34 | goodwill | Sup3rkiddo: yeah...you can carry freerunner in there or an underdeveloped kid |
| 17:28.46 | Sup3rkiddo | hehe |
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| 17:28.50 | juri_ | goodwill: re-write the partition table contained in the u-boot_env to cut my root partition in two, then downloaded it, mounted the jffs2 'loopback' by creating a mtd device in ram on my laptop, pulled the files i needed, put a new firmware on the unit that was 0x14000 bytes short of the end of the disk, and created a "null" partition to occupy that space. |
| 17:29.02 | Sup3rkiddo | geeeky :D |
| 17:29.27 | goodwill | juri_: oh my god |
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| 17:29.32 | juri_ | only, discovering the tools to do all that took *time*. plus, i compiled the svn version of dfu-util, just to make sure the bug hadnt been fixed yet. nope. |
| 17:29.53 | goodwill | juri_: whats the bug? |
| 17:29.58 | juri_ | yes, it took 7 hours. i'm very annoyed. :) |
| 17:30.48 | goodwill | juri_: I bet you now know more about uboot then the rest of us though |
| 17:30.49 | juri_ | the bug is that dfu-util will not download more than 64008192 bytes from the unit. technically, its not supposed to download from the unit at all, but i found out it works fine. |
| 17:31.23 | juri_ | and its worked fine for at least 500 svn revisions. the wiki needs updated, this bug needs filed, and i need a DRINK. |
| 17:31.40 | Sup3rkiddo | juri_, well as Calvin's dad put it, "It builds character" |
| 17:32.14 | juri_ | yea, discovering that magic 14000 byte number was interesting. it can't be 12000, theres some ofset issue reguarding mtd erase block sizes. |
| 17:32.44 | juri_ | sup3rkiddo: i've spent 5 months writing documentation for the openmosix project, and have taken over as lead developer. character is something i need no more of. :) |
| 17:33.16 | Sup3rkiddo | juri_, openmosix? cool, it was fun setting up a blender farm in my college as part of an expo |
| 17:33.47 | Sup3rkiddo | documentation writing does need some character :D |
| 17:34.35 | juri_ | i've written a 2000+ line commentary on kernel patches. i've been reading an assembly book all night, when i havent been fighting my phone. |
| 17:34.56 | juri_ | and i'm only 1/3 of the way done. |
| 17:35.01 | linuxxr | that issue is prolly the bits that the goverment has controll of haha |
| 17:35.07 | Dave | ;D |
| 17:35.22 | balrog-kun | note that you're testing the debian's dfu-util (right?) |
| 17:35.50 | Dave | Is that so? |
| 17:35.55 | juri_ | i was to start with. then i downloaded the latest svn, to make sure i wasnt fighting an old bug. same issue. |
| 17:36.07 | juri_ | current svn has this issue. |
| 17:36.21 | balrog-kun | i see -_- |
| 17:36.30 | linuxxr | 1000-1 compreccios an showes up as a minor size problem |
| 17:37.03 | goodwill | juri_: what bug does dfu-util have? |
| 17:37.56 | juri_ | if you ask it to download contents from the openmoko's root filesystem, it will download 64008192 bytes exctly, then fail. |
| 17:38.40 | balrog-kun | apparently that's asking for too much |
| 17:38.46 | juri_ | to work around it, i re-sized the rootfs on my openmoko to 63995904 bytes. |
| 17:40.33 | goodwill | juri_: does that mean you lost data? |
| 17:41.06 | juri_ | nope. i got my data back, and flashed with a new rootfs. |
| 17:41.21 | juri_ | including my custom ringtone, which the system is still mangling. :P |
| 17:45.01 | balrog-kun | good |
| 17:45.27 | balrog-kun | good for showing off on a bus or tube, i'm sure |
| 17:45.44 | balrog-kun | ;) |
| 17:45.51 | Dave | hah |
| 17:45.55 | Dave | tube |
| 17:46.02 | Dave | stupid |
| 17:47.07 | balrog-kun | what's up with tube |
| 17:47.24 | Dave | you said bus or tube |
| 17:47.41 | Dave | and it took me more than a minute to realize you weren't talking about internal pc components :P |
| 17:48.05 | Dave | I was trying to figure what the hell he could be showing off inside of a bus or tube :P |
| 17:48.10 | Dave | electrons? |
| 17:48.11 | balrog-kun | Dave: geek :p |
| 17:48.19 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 17:48.25 | Dave | What else would you be talking about in here :P |
| 17:48.32 | balrog-kun | right |
| 17:48.46 | Dave | heehee |
| 17:49.10 | Dave | What's next, showing off in the chunnel? :p |
| 17:50.19 | balrog-kun | plays his custom ringtone loudly a couple of times |
| 17:51.01 | mjr | wait, so you can make your own ringtone for the neo?!? |
| 17:51.14 | mjr | isn't that illegal? |
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| 17:51.30 | goodwill | balrog-kun: was that ringtone a 3.99 deal or was it part of a ringle? ;) |
| 17:51.52 | SpeedEvil | copyrights /dev/urandom.mp3 |
| 17:52.02 | goodwill | hahaha |
| 17:52.14 | zash | mjr: i hope you are not seirous |
| 17:52.28 | goodwill | Sony BMG, the company that brought you the CD rootkit, has been pitching the idea of a new product called the ringle that combines a CD single with a digital ringtone download. The other labels are on board, according to Reuters, and the product should show up in stores soon. |
| 17:52.33 | Tig| | right I have managed to get my freerunner to connect to my WPA network, I even managed to get an IP then wpa_supplicant goes titsup and I lose the association, anyone had it working/got any tips? |
| 17:53.48 | Dave | goodwill, and how many tentacles come on the single disc? |
| 17:54.00 | linuxxr | why would it be illeagle to make your own ringtone? |
| 17:54.04 | goodwill | Dave: um? 666? |
| 17:54.13 | MadTBone | Anyone out there currently have a GTA01 or GTA02 and live in the New York area? |
| 17:54.14 | goodwill | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070910-meet-the-ringle-can-it-save-the-riaa.html |
| 17:54.36 | goodwill | linuxxr: because its illegal not to let phone and music companies milk you? |
| 17:54.46 | linuxxr | oo |
| 17:54.50 | Dave | hahaha |
| 17:54.58 | linuxxr | y that does suck |
| 17:55.03 | Dave | MadTBone, yep |
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| 17:55.20 | Dave | But I didn't get mine from a store. |
| 17:55.26 | Dave | (If that's what you're asking) |
| 17:55.46 | zash | you could even create a composer for creating ringtones in the neo! |
| 17:55.57 | zash | like my 7 years old phone |
| 17:56.31 | Dave | qbasic plz |
| 17:56.33 | goodwill | zash: hehehe, just run audacity |
| 17:56.34 | Dave | :D |
| 17:57.11 | juri_ | zash: except theres a standing bug in the dialer that causes ringtones to be repeated every 1.5 seconds, if they're longer than 1.5 seconds, they overlap with themselves. |
| 17:57.24 | zash | juri_: haha |
| 17:57.25 | juri_ | i reported it here. no-one listens to me. :) |
| 17:57.33 | Dave | :P |
| 17:57.37 | zash | juri_: the old gtk+ dialer? |
| 17:57.38 | Dave | hot |
| 17:57.50 | Dave | juri, almost sounds like the old phonecall audio bug XD |
| 17:57.54 | Dave | giggles |
| 17:57.59 | juri_ | zash: openmoko-dialer2. yes. |
| 17:58.51 | zash | do they even maintain that anymore, with the qtopia-x11-stuff and asu getting al the love? |
| 17:59.12 | MadTBone | Dave: Actually, I'm interested in reception with the GTA02 in Manhattan. What are your experiences? |
| 17:59.15 | mwester | :) I don't think that's being maintained, but certainly this channel is not the place for bug reports to be filed. |
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| 18:00.12 | juri_ | mwester: i must come from an earlier day of irc then. :P |
| 18:00.38 | mwester | I suppose each community has it's policies and practices. |
| 18:01.04 | mwester | OM encourages (or at least, has done so up to now) the use of the bug-tracking system for bug. |
| 18:01.10 | zash | juri_: theres trac |
| 18:01.15 | mwester | er, for bugs (plural) |
| 18:01.39 | juri_ | yes, because what i want to do after spending 7 hours hunting down and fixing my phone, is go through some paperwork. |
| 18:01.43 | juri_ | :) |
| 18:01.54 | mwester | shrugs |
| 18:02.04 | juri_ | i have my own paperwork to do on my own project, thanks. |
| 18:02.22 | balrog-kun | juri_: either trac or mailing list i'm afraid |
| 18:02.40 | balrog-kun | juri_: either way for anything to get fixed in dfu-util it needs to reach wpwrak probably |
| 18:02.43 | balrog-kun | and he isn't here |
| 18:02.46 | mwester | Well, then frankly you have no right to be upset that nobody has fixed it. OM has very few, if any, staff that monitor this channel, and I doubt that any here have commit access to the svn repo with that source. |
| 18:03.16 | balrog-kun | he's connected though |
| 18:03.43 | juri_ | mwester: i've explained the bug in detail. if someone here can't be bothered to cut and paste, i'm perfectly happy with letting them have bugs. |
| 18:03.59 | mwester | There are lots connected; I wonder how many are connected to actual humans as opposed to proxies or loggers, balrog-kun! |
| 18:04.28 | balrog-kun | mwester: well, he's also been have a conversation minutes ago :p |
| 18:04.30 | mwester | juri_: Why should *I* file a bug report that you encountered? There's so much wrong with that on so many levels... |
| 18:04.35 | balrog-kun | on a different channel |
| 18:04.36 | juri_ | you've spent more time trying to get me to use trac than it would take to file it yourself, and quite frankly, after that ordeal, i'm tired. |
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| 18:04.50 | mwester | have it your way juri_ |
| 18:05.07 | juri_ | mwester: your project. i would assume you care about it. |
| 18:05.21 | mwester | It's not my project-- I'm just another community member. |
| 18:05.23 | balrog-kun | filling bugs from reports other pasted on irc is really a round way |
| 18:05.38 | balrog-kun | i don't think anybody's ever done that |
| 18:05.45 | balrog-kun | *others |
| 18:05.50 | juri_ | someone complains in my channels about my projects, i go through things in detail, and help as much as i can. i got repeatedly ignored all night, while i fought this, with over a hundred people 'connected'. |
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| 18:06.13 | goodwill | juri_: its not his project, he is not in any way offiliated with openmoko |
| 18:06.22 | linuxxr | lottsa lip |
| 18:06.26 | Dave | balrog, oh, I guess it doesn't count when the complainer is a committer (member) ;) |
| 18:06.32 | juri_ | yea, lots of frustration. |
| 18:06.37 | linuxxr | ahhhh its sunday |
| 18:06.50 | goodwill | juri_: and very few people here have any experience with openmoko internals |
| 18:07.05 | juri_ | i guess i'm just shocked. |
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| 18:07.09 | linuxxr | notice: |
| 18:07.35 | linuxxr | well it started as non professional |
| 18:07.42 | goodwill | juri_: 90% of us do nto even have the freerunner yet |
| 18:07.44 | linuxxr | an still is |
| 18:07.51 | Dave | hides |
| 18:08.10 | linuxxr | an that is 1 of the greatest things about it |
| 18:08.38 | linuxxr | ofcourse there are professionals on this project |
| 18:08.40 | MadTBone | Dave? |
| 18:09.12 | Dave | Yes? |
| 18:09.19 | doc|home | yes? |
| 18:09.19 | linuxxr | so all the mud slinging is just A PROBLEM |
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| 18:09.51 | juri_ | i guess the whole commercial / non-commercial culture split just rubs me the wrong way. i've never dealt with a project with paid developers, that stay unreachable. |
| 18:10.17 | goodwill | juri_: I think a number of them is asleep now. |
| 18:10.27 | flaushy | FOSS problem :/ |
| 18:10.29 | balrog-kun | Dave: ;) |
| 18:10.31 | textshell | the one who files a bug should be the person to contact for details on the problem. |
| 18:10.33 | goodwill | juri_: raster or XorA would care |
| 18:10.34 | linuxxr | an its sunday |
| 18:10.35 | balrog-kun | juri_: the dfu-util author is quite reachable |
| 18:10.36 | MadTBone | Dave: thoughts on reception in Manhattan? |
| 18:10.41 | juri_ | isn't this a worldwide organization? the world dosent sleep. people just take shifts. |
| 18:10.45 | balrog-kun | through trac and several mailing lists |
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| 18:10.54 | goodwill | juri_: the paid ones are asleep now.... |
| 18:10.56 | SpeedEvil | juri_: the paid part is very understaffed |
| 18:10.57 | textshell | So cutting and pasting from irc sounds bad. At least unless the project has an different policy. |
| 18:10.59 | flaushy | juri_: yeah, but many ppl just reading here :/ |
| 18:11.06 | SpeedEvil | juri_: and overworked |
| 18:11.23 | linuxxr | :) |
| 18:11.33 | flaushy | i know about 4 ppl from my university, that work for free for the project |
| 18:11.44 | linuxxr | there it is |
| 18:11.49 | goodwill | most people in this channel I've never even heard speak. I really have no idea who they are |
| 18:11.52 | juri_ | i'm understaffed and overworked. *sigh* |
| 18:11.53 | textshell | and monitoring an irc *is* a waste of time if you need to get things done. |
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| 18:12.03 | flaushy | and that is just because i saw them in classes with openmokos to their lappies attached |
| 18:12.22 | balrog-kun | someone else submitting a trac ticket for a dfu-util bug would make no sense as the point is that people can respond to the ticket and you see the responses |
| 18:12.23 | flaushy | furthermore: alot are german |
| 18:12.32 | flaushy | and we are in the finals of soccer euro championship |
| 18:12.38 | flaushy | which starts in about 30 mins |
| 18:13.03 | balrog-kun | especially the author's responses like requests for a test case |
| 18:13.54 | goodwill | juri_: I think you need some good sleep |
| 18:14.07 | juri_ | balrog: to be blunt, i don't want to see the responses. my problem is solved, i have a workaround. sorry, i'm not trying to be rude, but i am feeling very burned. i'm not used to getting this poor of a response on an irc support channel. |
| 18:14.16 | juri_ | goodwill's probably right. i'm crabby. :) |
| 18:14.49 | goodwill | juri_: you got your data...so thats somethign good to think about, and I am telling you now you knwo about uboot more the 99% of us |
| 18:14.58 | flaushy | i would help, but i cant :/ |
| 18:14.59 | textshell | juri_: i don't think this is a irc support channel, it's more a place with a lot of people interested to verying degrees in the project. |
| 18:14.59 | balrog-kun | juri_: you got zero response and this is what i'd expect seeing as the authors or maintainers aren't here |
| 18:15.15 | goodwill | juri_: I personally look forward to asking you some question about it later |
| 18:15.16 | juri_ | balrog: that boggles me. |
| 18:15.34 | textshell | juri_: the signal to noise here is to bad to expect any of the paid people to follow this, IMO. |
| 18:15.35 | juri_ | maybe i'm spoiled. :P |
| 18:15.40 | flaushy | it is sunday :) i am happy they have a lice next to the project :) |
| 18:15.46 | balrog-kun | they are accessible elsewhere though and this place isn't more accessible than those other places |
| 18:15.53 | flaushy | life not lice |
| 18:16.14 | mwester | ;) they may have lice, too -- we don't really know. :p |
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| 18:16.51 | textshell | and yes, paid workers are not supposed to be reachable on weekends too. |
| 18:17.01 | juri_ | its quite possible i'm just very picky about my communication methods. i've been on irc many more years than i've been mailing around, and i can count the bugs i've filed in bug trackers on one hand. graphical things annoy me. :) |
| 18:17.23 | mjr | so use a text browser |
| 18:17.41 | balrog-kun | hmm i wondet if "apt" allows filing bugs.. |
| 18:17.49 | juri_ | mjr: not really practical anymore. |
| 18:17.55 | juri_ | balrog: sure. debbug. :) |
| 18:17.56 | Maulkin | balrog-kun: use 'reportbug' |
| 18:18.08 | balrog-kun | ~reportbug like this? |
| 18:18.14 | juri_ | a command line bug filing application. it makes *sense*, and is much easier to use than trac, to such as i. |
| 18:18.18 | juri_ | right. |
| 18:18.39 | balrog-kun | ~help |
| 18:18.55 | goodwill | how do you file bugs?` |
| 18:18.59 | Maulkin | Oh, *that* apt. |
| 18:19.08 | Maulkin | No. It doesn't |
| 18:19.20 | balrog-kun | :p |
| 18:19.30 | balrog-kun | it could query the bugzila some time ago |
| 18:19.34 | balrog-kun | before the switch to trac |
| 18:19.43 | textshell | in some projects it's quite accepted to file bugs in the project chat. But that's something that depends on the project. |
| 18:19.46 | balrog-kun | ~ombug 1514 |
| 18:19.53 | juri_ | i run trac myself. and have no trouble tickets filed in it. :) |
| 18:19.53 | balrog-kun | !ombug 1514 |
| 18:20.01 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 1514, Status: Unknown Error () |
| 18:20.16 | balrog-kun | uh |
| 18:20.46 | juri_ | alright, thats enough raining on people, i'm going to head to bed now. :P |
| 18:21.27 | balrog-kun | juri_: laters |
| 18:21.43 | flaushy | sleep well |
| 18:21.56 | goodwill | juri_: nite nite |
| 18:27.58 | roh | hum.. who set up that cdbot thing work and who set it up? |
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| 19:01.49 | Tig| | gets his freerunner wifi working with WPA and does a happy dance |
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| 19:08.49 | Tig| | well I have bunged in on my bog but am waiting for a friend of mine to verify the steps before I bung it on the om wiki :) |
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| 20:16.41 | lukhas | mickeyl: thanks for your blog post |
| 20:16.50 | lukhas | now it's all clear to me :) |
| 20:17.21 | lukhas | I'll spread the word during my French talk |
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| 20:20.55 | Ainulindale | A french talk ? For RMLL ? |
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| 20:21.02 | lukhas | andrenarchy: yes |
| 20:21.05 | lukhas | gah |
| 20:21.08 | lukhas | andrenarchy: sorry, lazy |
| 20:21.14 | lukhas | Ainulindale: yes, I was saying |
| 20:21.19 | Ainulindale | lukhas: URL of the post ? :-) |
| 20:21.35 | Ainulindale | lukhas: Too bad the RMLL are too far away from Paris for me |
| 20:21.37 | lukhas | http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
| 20:21.40 | Ainulindale | (and too bad I have a job) |
| 20:21.54 | lukhas | is getting paid to spend the whole week there |
| 20:22.05 | Ainulindale | I know. Do you really want me to hate you ? |
| 20:22.12 | lukhas | yeah |
| 20:22.20 | Ainulindale | Mgnmgnmmgn :-) |
| 20:22.26 | lukhas | oh, and most of my colleagues will be there too |
| 20:22.45 | lukhas | http://2008.rmll.info/Openmoko-liberez-votre-telephone.html |
| 20:22.52 | Ainulindale | slaps lukhas |
| 20:22.57 | lukhas | I heard they planned to record the talk |
| 20:23.01 | Ainulindale | Bastard :-) |
| 20:23.12 | Ainulindale | Oh by the way, when will you be back ? |
| 20:23.16 | Ainulindale | :-> |
| 20:23.34 | lukhas | next Saturday |
| 20:23.44 | lukhas | ah, and I live in Lyon, working from home :) |
| 20:24.00 | Ainulindale | Oh, ok, I thought you worked in Paris with the rest of the team :-) |
| 20:24.00 | lukhas | so you probably won't see me when you get your phone |
| 20:24.12 | Ainulindale | Too bad, I could have brought home roasted coffee |
| 20:24.18 | Ainulindale | But then you would have told me you don't drink coffee |
| 20:24.26 | lukhas | I drink some |
| 20:24.28 | Ainulindale | It would have been such a waste :-p |
| 20:24.38 | lukhas | bring it anyway, most of our office is coffee-powered |
| 20:24.49 | Ainulindale | So I guess I will have to wait 'til next monday ? |
| 20:25.11 | lukhas | I don't know |
| 20:25.18 | lukhas | depends on when the phones finally arrive |
| 20:25.25 | Ainulindale | I guess so |
| 20:25.54 | lukhas | there are 2 or 3 people from Bearstech not attending the RMLL |
| 20:26.11 | lukhas | so they will probably be there for you to get your phone |
| 20:26.19 | lukhas | we'll contact you |
| 20:26.31 | Ainulindale | Nice :-) |
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| 20:28.20 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03andy 07andy * r1a89e9a84ee9 10/cpu/arm920t/start.S: uboot-add-find-wake-reason.patch |
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| 20:28.36 | Ainulindale | Oh, interesting article |
| 20:28.43 | CIA-26 | openmoko: 03andy 07stable * r96611475add0 10/board/neo1973/gta02/pcf50633.c: uboot-fix-OOCCTL-reset-phase.patch |
| 20:28.44 | Ainulindale | But then it's quite not what I expected |
| 20:28.47 | lukhas | indeed |
| 20:28.51 | lukhas | what did you expect ? |
| 20:29.39 | Ainulindale | I did know there was no "framework" as is, but some kind of "framework*s*", but I didn't know the real differences |
| 20:30.00 | Ainulindale | Now it seems I have to choose one, and I don't really know which |
| 20:30.11 | Ainulindale | And besides I may have been compiling a useless image :-p |
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| 20:31.33 | lukhas | hehe |
| 20:31.45 | lukhas | right now, I'd go for OM-2007.2 |
| 20:31.55 | Ainulindale | Why is that ? |
| 20:32.37 | lukhas | it has a GTK theme out of the box, meaning any GTK app will look nice on it |
| 20:32.51 | Ainulindale | GTK ? Nice ? Bleêêêh. |
| 20:32.54 | lukhas | in the near future, when ASU is stable enough, switch to ASU |
| 20:33.09 | lukhas | then wait for ASU to be built on top of FSO |
| 20:33.37 | lukhas | plus, OM 2007 has games :) |
| 20:33.48 | Ainulindale | Games are for children. |
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| 20:34.04 | Ainulindale | The one thing I can't pass by is figlet. |
| 20:34.26 | lukhas | I quite like Rectangles on OM 2007.2 |
| 20:34.27 | Ainulindale | (do I sound sarcastic enough ?) |
| 20:34.44 | lukhas | in fact I just spent 20 minutes playing instead of writing slides for my talk |
| 20:35.09 | Ainulindale | haha =) |
| 20:39.41 | goodwill | Ainulindale: figlet? |
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| 21:09.22 | HauDyr | can you tell the boot loader to boot from the sd-card as standard?, and is it a bad idea because of the slow connection speed? |
| 21:13.10 | peepsalot | oh man oh man oh man, i can't wait to get a freerunner |
| 21:13.36 | SpeedEvil | HauDyr: as I understand it, that's not quite working on the freerunner yet. |
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| 21:14.32 | HauDyr | what about the speed if it was working |
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| 21:15.40 | abraxa_ | HauDyr: It'll be slower for sure. How much slower? Hard to tell. |
| 21:17.37 | peepsalot | what is the speed on the onboard flash? |
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| 21:18.11 | mjr | ...probably want to run a compressed fs from the card as well if that's where you're gonna run it... |
| 21:18.48 | mjr | anyway, somebody said the sd interface is left screwed after resume, that correct at this point? |
| 21:18.56 | HauDyr | mjr why a compressed fs |
| 21:19.07 | mjr | HauDyr, for faster access :] |
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| 21:26.29 | HauDyr | is it possible to configure moko to use the sd as a /home partition |
| 21:26.47 | Dave | I don't see why not. |
| 21:28.08 | HauDyr | cool so when i update i should be able to keep my settings |
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| 21:31.11 | mjr | 'course |
| 21:33.26 | AVee | Neh, geen sorry zeggen, gaan slapen en een beetje uitrusten. |
| 21:33.42 | AVee | Wrong window :) |
| 21:34.02 | AVee | it is getting late... |
| 21:38.25 | goodwill | HauDyr: just edit /etc/fstab |
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| 21:38.54 | goodwill | HauDyr: but there is a a bug in linux kernel right now when has corruption problems when device is resuming after suspend |
| 21:40.36 | mwester | I think it'll be ok if it's the /home partition, just not the rootfs. |
| 21:41.25 | HauDyr | ill try when i get mine |
| 21:41.50 | HauDyr | in about 2 weeks |
| 21:41.56 | HauDyr | i hope |
| 21:43.19 | goodwill | mwester: my reading of the bug is that corruption happens regardless |
| 21:43.27 | goodwill | of rootfs or not |
| 21:43.47 | ajbrun | anyone know what the screen is like on the freerunner? |
| 21:43.56 | ajbrun | is it sort of glass like? |
| 21:44.02 | ajbrun | like on the iphone? |
| 21:44.04 | mwester | That's not consistent with what I observe; I have the SD mounted as /stuff during suspend/resume, with no corruption. |
| 21:44.06 | ajbrun | or less durabile? |
| 21:44.31 | mwester | ajbrun: same screen as the neo (GTA01). |
| 21:44.40 | ajbrun | i've not seen the neo either |
| 21:44.43 | ajbrun | so same applies |
| 21:45.18 | SpeedEvil | mwester-trip: maybe it's write in progress? |
| 21:45.21 | mwester | Ah, ok. Very hard to describe, but about the same as most other touch-screen devices I've dealt with. |
| 21:45.52 | ajbrun | reasonably scratch resistant? |
| 21:46.31 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: NO |
| 21:46.34 | HauDyr | i ordered a screen protector |
| 21:46.41 | SpeedEvil | You should use a screen protector. |
| 21:46.44 | mwester | SpeedEvil: I think this needs some more investigation; it's sounding more and more like IRC-channel "lore", and not like any known documented bugs. A write-in-progress should be ok, as a sync() is done during suspend... the issue was not (as I understand it) corruption, but rather that the device failed to resume if rootfs was on SD. |
| 21:46.52 | SpeedEvil | mew: yeah |
| 21:46.52 | ajbrun | i've only really come acorss 2 types of screen: the iphone which is like a hard glass and hard to scratch and everything else which is like a soft screen |
| 21:47.03 | mwester | ajbrun: Take the front off, and a screen protector goes on very, very nicely. |
| 21:47.07 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: this is plastic |
| 21:47.20 | mjr | mwester, agreed about it sounding like lore, that's why I asked :] |
| 21:47.40 | ajbrun | I saw a thread on the community list about screen protectors, but i don't think anyone's making custom freerunner ones yet are they? |
| 21:47.45 | mwester | Ok. I guess I'll have to add this to the list of suspend/resume things to test. |
| 21:48.42 | SpeedEvil | I've got some that work well, that I've been offering for $8 shipped worldwide. |
| 21:49.03 | SpeedEvil | They go on under the fascia, you remove the case - they are the silicone sort so you get no bubbles. |
| 21:49.05 | mwester | goodwill: was the bug you found on this a generic linux kernel bug, or neo-specific? |
| 21:49.34 | ajbrun | surley a screen protector wants to be on top? |
| 21:49.39 | ajbrun | not underneath anything? |
| 21:50.08 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: it goes underneath the case - so the edges don't catch |
| 21:50.13 | Dave | :) |
| 21:50.17 | ajbrun | ahhh |
| 21:52.37 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: I've been using one on my neo for a while now. |
| 21:53.17 | ajbrun | i will be getting one too, but are there any 'screen test' links about? |
| 21:53.24 | SpeedEvil | Screent est? |
| 21:53.30 | Dave | :) |
| 21:53.54 | ajbrun | when the iphone was released, there were youtube vids and stuff of people showing it's scratch resistance |
| 21:54.08 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: ah - no, it's not that scratch resistant. |
| 21:54.10 | ajbrun | or is it not worth it as it would scratch? |
| 21:54.11 | ajbrun | ;) |
| 21:54.28 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: it will scratch minorly, but as it's easy and cheap to replace. |
| 21:54.49 | SpeedEvil | I've had my neo in my pocket for about a month cumulative with it, and the screen protextor is just fine. |
| 21:55.30 | HauDyr | good its a sturdy phone |
| 21:55.38 | ajbrun | well the list said that this place was going to be making them custom, so hopefully in a few weeks when i get the phone, the protectors should be out too :) |
| 21:55.39 | ajbrun | http://www.zagg.com/ |
| 21:59.39 | HauDyr | see ya |
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| 22:15.10 | paulproteus | SpeedEvil, URL for your screen protectors? (-: |
| 22:15.39 | SpeedEvil | paulproteus: PM me - I don't have them up on any URL |
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