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| 00:47.05 | gregor | is a pen+holder included? |
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| 00:53.58 | tessier_ | Since the topic now says August Software Update I guess the April Software Update was finally released? Or did we just rename it? :) |
| 00:54.32 | zash | wth |
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| 00:59.07 | mwester | Renamed to reflect something closer to reality. |
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| 01:08.51 | balrog-kun | reality.. whussdat |
| 01:09.29 | zash | what steve jobs breaks |
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| 02:21.19 | cb22[eee] | heh, August Software Update now |
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| 02:41.27 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke * r62a23cb29ab5 10/src/libraries/qtopiaphonemodem/qmodemcallprovider.cpp: [gsm] Correct the "API" description. |
| 02:41.46 | bipolar | ugh... Palm centrino is seducing me. damnit.... |
| 02:41.53 | summatusmentis | me too |
| 02:41.55 | bipolar | maybe I can get both... |
| 02:42.05 | summatusmentis | I'm not buying FreeRunner, can't afford it |
| 02:42.06 | bipolar | heh, glad I'm not the only one. |
| 02:42.20 | summatusmentis | s/afford/justify/ |
| 02:42.23 | summatusmentis | gsm doesn't work |
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| 02:44.14 | bipolar | summatusmentis: gsm doesn't work on what? |
| 02:45.32 | summatusmentis | bipolar: doesn't work where I need it |
| 02:45.52 | bipolar | oh, gsm coverage is bad? |
| 02:46.10 | bipolar | thast would make it kindof useless to you, yeah. :P |
| 02:46.14 | summatusmentis | yeah... I live in the boonies :) |
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| 02:58.29 | aggabee | i wanna openmoko!!! it looks sweeeeeeeeeet! |
| 02:58.59 | aggabee | pooooop on my cheeeesst!!! |
| 02:59.30 | russellb | w .. t .. f |
| 02:59.52 | aggabee | pretty preez? |
| 03:00.35 | russellb | sure |
| 03:01.02 | aggabee | thanks a bunch!! this is the best christmas ever!!! |
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| 03:01.13 | cb22[eee] | <what gets used when memory is exhausted>.avi |
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| 03:30.24 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke * rc3da122d3251 10/src/libraries/qtopiacomm/serial/qatchat.cpp: [gsm] Micro-optimasation to answer phonecalls faster |
| 03:41.43 | mmontour | `pwgen`: (and mickeyl: ) - I did a quick test of recording a GSM call on the GTA01. It worked, but the audio quality of the sound from the Neo's mic was poor (more mixer tuning required, I guess). |
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| 03:42.41 | mmontour | I've put my alsa state file at http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/rec.state as a starting point for anyone who wants to do more work in this area |
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| 04:14.15 | doc|home | are we really still looking at a 14 day DOA warranty? |
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| 05:31.29 | kelvie | which is the official repository for openmoko? the svn or git one? |
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| 05:55.57 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r35d4b4c7c378 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] We want the experimental callhandling fixes from Qtopia |
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| 06:35.10 | goodwill | oh sweet mother of tux, I got it running under Qemu |
| 06:35.21 | goodwill | not sure what IT is, but it looks like a much more complete phone |
| 06:35.43 | doc|home | haha |
| 06:35.48 | goodwill | except now I do not know how to get out from the calculator |
| 06:35.54 | doc|home | kill it |
| 06:35.55 | doc|home | with fire |
| 06:36.02 | doc|home | listen to the voices |
| 06:36.09 | goodwill | the spacebar and the enter are supposed to be aux and power key |
| 06:36.14 | goodwill | what the hell is the home key |
| 06:36.20 | doc|home | it's on the end of a match |
| 06:36.30 | doc|home | fire I say, fire! *twitch* |
| 06:37.56 | goodwill | I actually do not know if I am running qutopia or not |
| 06:38.00 | doc|home | fine then |
| 06:38.04 | doc|home | don't laugh |
| 06:38.06 | goodwill | its supposed to eb openmoko-devel-image |
| 06:38.17 | goodwill | doc|home: dood, I am too excited |
| 06:38.24 | goodwill | I suffered...oh how I suffered |
| 06:38.34 | doc|home | hehehe |
| 06:38.35 | goodwill | I am not 100% sure whats even goign on |
| 06:38.42 | doc|home | it's ok, I'm like that all the time |
| 06:38.49 | goodwill | I know....I visit gentoo |
| 06:38.51 | goodwill | :-P |
| 06:38.53 | doc|home | haha |
| 06:38.54 | doc|home | :( |
| 06:39.04 | goodwill | you helped me before with gentoo I believe |
| 06:39.10 | doc|home | I did? |
| 06:39.16 | doc|home | er, yes, I did |
| 06:39.20 | doc|home | we remember everyone :o |
| 06:39.31 | doc|home | ok, enough nonsense out of me. night. |
| 06:39.37 | goodwill | how can I tell what I am running |
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| 06:39.46 | goodwill | it should not be qutopia |
| 06:40.33 | goodwill | oh terminal!!! |
| 06:40.37 | goodwill | sweet terminal!!! |
| 06:41.24 | doc|home | haha |
| 06:42.54 | goodwill | any idea as to how can I tell |
| 06:42.56 | goodwill | ? |
| 06:43.21 | doc|home | nope, I don't want to kill the initial feeling of shinehness once I open the box, so not playing with qemu :) |
| 06:43.38 | goodwill | perv!!! :) |
| 06:43.49 | goodwill | how can you actually do that to yourself |
| 06:43.57 | goodwill | how can you live with yourself after this |
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| 06:45.48 | methril | morning |
| 06:49.39 | goodwill | ok, I can go to sleep now |
| 06:49.54 | goodwill | elfo: I got the image to compile and run under qemu |
| 06:50.27 | goodwill | elfo: not 100% sure exactly how so I am going to repat the procedure couple of times |
| 06:50.27 | methril | goodwill were are u? |
| 06:50.37 | goodwill | methril: eh? |
| 06:50.52 | methril | because yo tell that yo can go to sleep |
| 06:50.57 | methril | :) |
| 06:51.07 | methril | only curious |
| 06:51.13 | goodwill | western north american sea board |
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| 06:51.27 | goodwill | LA |
| 06:51.33 | goodwill | you? |
| 06:51.36 | doc|home | goodwill: heh. just biding my time. |
| 06:51.49 | goodwill | doc|home: eh? |
| 06:51.57 | goodwill | oh |
| 06:51.59 | doc|home | <goodwill> how can you actually do that to yourself |
| 06:52.06 | methril | Spain |
| 06:52.06 | goodwill | right |
| 06:52.27 | goodwill | methril: I friend just came back from there...said its gourgeous |
| 06:52.36 | goodwill | I=a |
| 06:52.41 | goodwill | anyhow |
| 06:52.45 | goodwill | nappy time |
| 06:52.48 | methril | one question about the Debug board |
| 06:52.56 | goodwill | me? |
| 06:53.19 | methril | it's possible to use as a standard JTAG itnerface (FT2232) |
| 06:53.35 | methril | goodwill: it's nice!! |
| 06:53.41 | methril | I'd like to go to LA too hehehe |
| 06:53.57 | methril | someone checked it? |
| 06:54.23 | goodwill | methril: LA sucks...stay in Spain |
| 06:54.28 | methril | hehe |
| 06:54.37 | methril | i've to check (visit) |
| 06:54.59 | methril | and maybe practice my english |
| 06:55.08 | goodwill | fine..if you must come down to this super hot cemented city and leave all the spanish beauty... |
| 06:55.21 | goodwill | I can nto help if are a masochist :-P |
| 06:55.37 | goodwill | anyhow |
| 06:55.40 | goodwill | nite nite |
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| 06:56.49 | methril | hahaha |
| 06:57.15 | goodwill|sleepy | there |
| 06:57.32 | methril | good night |
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| 07:02.41 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:03.02 | lukhas_lap | hello |
| 07:03.44 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r2dbd7554dbd2 10/odeviced/ (15 files in 6 dirs): |
| 07:03.44 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: * renamed backlight plugin to display |
| 07:03.44 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: * renamed GetCurrentBrightness to GetBrightness |
| 07:04.00 | lukhas_lap | I just flashed my Neo1973 with an ASU image, and I was wondering if there was a way to stop the "low battery warning" |
| 07:04.30 | lukhas_lap | even if it's just killing a process |
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| 07:28.09 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke * rcfd36f65f8af 10/BUGS.x11: [bugs] apparently fixed in illume |
| 07:28.10 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke * r3cb2fcb6c50a 10/BUGS.x11: [bugs] Softmenu got reworked, seems to work now |
| 07:28.10 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke * r5702e0ebfc6b 10/src/libraries/qtopiaphone/qphonecall.cpp: [phone] Allow to use QPhoneCall with QueuedConnection signal and slots |
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| 08:11.14 | ljp | http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200806240233DOWJONESDJONLINE000060_FORTUNE5.htm |
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| 08:35.51 | zedstar | hmmm Nokia bought out remaining shares of Symbian....they have been spending a lot lately |
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| 08:37.20 | mjr | 1) Symbian is dying 2) Buy out Symbian! 3) ??? 4) Profit! |
| 08:37.23 | zlfita | seems Android is pushing people |
| 08:37.37 | mjr | at this stage it seems they're trying "hype about open sourcing it" for 3 |
| 08:38.05 | zedstar | maybe politically easier to kill off Symbian now they own it....yeh saw that open source route also |
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| 08:38.54 | raynet | you cannot kill evil, symbian will live forever |
| 08:39.04 | zlfita | they were using symbian, why kill it? |
| 08:39.45 | mbuf | zedstar, i guess the idea for Nokia is to have closed hardware + Trolltech UI and open up APIs for community development |
| 08:40.27 | zlfita | not open up but distribute them gratis |
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| 08:41.22 | zedstar | well i guess QT on symbian with get out of jail route to QT on Linux |
| 08:41.38 | zedstar | who knows they might buy Openmoko in a year or so....stranger things have happened |
| 08:41.47 | mjr | that would be bad |
| 08:41.51 | zedstar | yeh |
| 08:41.53 | cb22[eee] | symbian is not too evil to use |
| 08:43.04 | diego | zedstar, bad only if we can't buy "open" hardware anymore ... |
| 08:44.36 | zedstar | seem though Nokia are trying hard to react to Android...they bought Plazes also so jumping on the "location bandwagon" |
| 08:45.12 | zlfita | things are getting interesting |
| 08:45.47 | zlfita | m$ will probably come out with something that looks like new |
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| 08:46.27 | mjr | diego, you mean the kind of hardware nokia is really not into? |
| 08:48.25 | diego | I mean I don't care who owns openmoko till is gpl and exists some hardware to buy that i can run on |
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| 08:51.39 | ljp | Eclipse Public License is open |
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| 09:56.02 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rd2c63b37a021 10/odeviced/src/plugins/power/Makefile.am: Fix build errors |
| 09:56.02 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r183f9cbb5db3 10/odeviced/etc/odeviced.conf: fix typo |
| 09:57.51 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8b590e7564e6 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [srcrev] Upgrade exposure to be launchable again |
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| 10:00.50 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke * rd36f7bbba663 10/src/server/phone/callscreen/themed/callscreen.cpp: [callscreen] Document the bad assumption to be able to fix that later |
| 10:00.51 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke * r5b433744b51c 10/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [callscreen] Improve by updating the layout of the ThemedView less often |
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| 10:03.28 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r5af4eb452677 10/odeviced/recipes/odeviced_git.bb: Always fetch the latest revision |
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| 10:21.05 | LottoKim | will Freerunner support sms and mms? |
| 10:21.30 | diego | sms is already supported ^^ |
| 10:21.49 | lukhas_lap | it's only a matter of UI :) |
| 10:23.03 | stefan_schmidt | lukhas_lap: no, not for MMS. That's also needs a lot more. |
| 10:23.10 | stefan_schmidt | LottoKim: SMS yes, MMS no. |
| 10:23.27 | lukhas_lap | stefan_schmidt: I was completing diego's answer |
| 10:23.36 | lukhas_lap | MMS is entirely different, indeed |
| 10:23.50 | stefan_schmidt | lukhas_lap: oops, sorry. Read it out of context |
| 10:24.07 | lukhas_lap | no problem |
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| 10:32.13 | ruskie | hmm |
| 10:32.26 | ruskie | http://www.symbianfoundation.org/ <-- symian to be released under the Eclipse License |
| 10:33.33 | dcordes | maybe that will ease the development of a linux bootloader for the symbian platform |
| 10:34.26 | kvk | im trying to update my build, when i gave "make setup" it is giving error like this -"( git clone -n git://git.openmoko.org/git/bitbake.git bitbake ) destination directory 'bitbake' already exists. |
| 10:34.47 | kvk | can anyone help me in resolving this error? |
| 10:35.01 | ruskie | well I'll be happy with any Free Software implemenatiton for my phone dcordes :) |
| 10:35.14 | ruskie | kvk, rm -rf bitbake ? |
| 10:35.33 | ruskie | that should I think just be cd bitbake && git pull |
| 10:35.42 | ruskie | or git fetch && git rebase |
| 10:35.59 | LottoKim | will the phone be released in Europe? |
| 10:36.29 | mjr | there will be a EU-triband version and there are official EU retailers such as punster I think |
| 10:36.39 | mjr | /pulster |
| 10:36.44 | kvk | ruskie: thanx |
| 10:36.51 | mjr | http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html |
| 10:37.07 | LottoKim | thanks |
| 10:37.09 | mjr | dunno if the EU sales will go up at the same time as US, hope so |
| 10:37.22 | zlfita | pulster seems to give the best price now |
| 10:37.37 | zlfita | we are also trying to get groups for group order |
| 10:37.46 | ruskie | won't be getting one until it is a slider with a 3-4" display and a normal keypad... |
| 10:38.29 | LottoKim | cool:D |
| 10:38.54 | balrog-kun | why only 3-4"? |
| 10:39.54 | balrog-kun | set your treshold at 15" |
| 10:40.58 | cb22[eee] | with at least 200 hours video playback |
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| 10:41.33 | ruskie | balrog-kun, I have no need for a bigger screen on a cell phone/pda :) |
| 10:41.55 | ruskie | balrog-kun, not to mention I actually want it small not to big and not to small basicaly :) |
| 10:42.04 | balrog-kun | you mean ascetic :p |
| 10:42.16 | ruskie | ? |
| 10:43.03 | mjr | so you want a 15" roll/fold-up screen! |
| 10:43.10 | ruskie | not me |
| 10:43.17 | ruskie | don't confuse me with balrog-kun ;) |
| 10:43.46 | cb22[eee] | i want a 15" screen that starts at 1.5" and automatically stretchs depending on resolution |
| 10:44.09 | ruskie | basicaly what I want is something along the lines of a n95/n96 but with a bit bigger screen |
| 10:45.04 | kvk | ruskie, i have tried with what you said but is giving error again like this "( git clone -n git://git.openmoko.org/git/openmoko.git openembedded ) destination directory 'openembedded' already exists. |
| 10:45.38 | ruskie | kvk, erm... you need to run a git pull or git fetch && git rebase |
| 10:45.45 | ruskie | since you alread cloned once |
| 10:47.37 | kvk | ruskie, i have done git fetch && git rebase but it is saying "fatal: Needed a single revision, invalid upstream |
| 10:53.27 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r38c6c1ef3656 10/odeviced/src/plugins/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Remove -ggdb flag for now |
| 10:54.01 | hepaajan | kvk: Maybe your previous version is from svn? Try setup a new build environment in some other directory |
| 10:55.58 | kvk | hepaajan, ok |
| 10:56.13 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke * r5995160a419f 10/src/libraries/qtopia/themedview.cpp: [theme] Optimisation to reduce the number of layouts you do |
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| 10:57.09 | hepaajan | mickeyl: morning |
| 10:57.42 | hepaajan | mickeyl: I tried fso-image with gsmd2 yesterday |
| 10:57.57 | mickeyl | heya |
| 10:58.00 | mickeyl | any success? |
| 10:58.19 | hepaajan | It went there quite easily |
| 10:58.26 | spyre | mickeyl: hepaajan's house burned down as a result ;) |
| 10:58.52 | hepaajan | dbus object paths needed to be changed |
| 10:58.56 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rd3931e1abc2f 10/odeviced/src/plugins/ (4 files in 4 dirs): remove trailing slashes |
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| 10:59.17 | mickeyl | hepaajan: right, that's expected |
| 10:59.29 | avtobiff | how big sd cards does the hardware support? |
| 10:59.35 | mickeyl | and zhone is not 100% fso api compliant yet, org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call has a couple of differences |
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| 11:00.38 | hepaajan | yeah |
| 11:01.58 | hepaajan | at least call status stuff (signature + status string 'release' vs. 'released') |
| 11:02.18 | mickeyl | yep |
| 11:02.40 | hepaajan | mickeyl: should the dbus paths be set in stone? |
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| 11:04.45 | mickeyl | i don't know. it might be useful to do it until dbus provides a simpler way to query for all objects implementing a said interface @ runtime |
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| 11:11.47 | hepaajan | mickeyl: has git.freesmartphone.org changed ssh key recently? |
| 11:11.59 | mickeyl | hepaajan: yes, we updated the server from etch to lenny |
| 11:12.08 | mickeyl | sorry, i should have sent a notice out |
| 11:12.13 | mickeyl | lazy sysadmin |
| 11:12.29 | cb22[eee] | mickeyl, tsk tsk tsk |
| 11:12.52 | hepaajan | no worries. Just checking :) |
| 11:13.04 | mickeyl | i'm a better software engineer than sysadmin |
| 11:13.08 | mickeyl | trust me ;) |
| 11:13.33 | cb22[eee] | heh :) i see ASU got a name change |
| 11:14.03 | cb22[eee] | is there going to be a more perminant name for it, or will it always be *SU? |
| 11:14.14 | mickeyl | does not know |
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| 11:15.44 | cb22[eee] | oh btw, i haven't had much time but i did a quick (really quick) test with python vs shedskin, for a simple program that loops over a list the shedskin compiled program used 1900k whereas running with python used 4300k of memory |
| 11:15.52 | hepaajan | mickeyl: Now it is asking for password for user git. Are there more changes? |
| 11:16.38 | cb22[eee] | i still need to give pypy a shot, which should be interesting |
| 11:17.26 | mickeyl | hepaajan: nothing should have changed in that regard. is your key perhaps one of the debian-weak keys? |
| 11:17.35 | mickeyl | if so, it might have been disable during upgrade of openssl |
| 11:18.01 | hepaajan | mickeyl: It might be. I'll send you new keys. |
| 11:18.05 | mickeyl | oki |
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| 11:41.24 | mickeyl | hepaajan: new keys added, please try agian |
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| 11:45.12 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen 07gsmd2 * r272a9f98143f 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Added empty prepare to suspend and recover from suspend implementations |
| 11:45.13 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen 07gsmd2 * rc0c070cbad6b 10/ (12 files in 2 dirs): |
| 11:45.13 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Bring us closer to fso error spec |
| 11:45.13 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Remove some debugging prints |
| 11:45.41 | hepaajan | mickeyl: works now, as you can see. thanks :) |
| 11:46.21 | hepaajan | It did give twice this warning: Use of uninitialized value $module in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/bin/ciabot.pl line 182. |
| 11:47.57 | shoragan | hepaajan, that is probably some problem in the CIA scribt |
| 11:48.30 | mickeyl | that's normal |
| 11:48.38 | mickeyl | i patched the perl script to include the repository |
| 11:48.46 | mickeyl | now i get some warning since I dunno anything perl |
| 11:48.51 | mickeyl | but as long as it works... ;) |
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| 11:50.12 | hepaajan | does not like perl |
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| 11:57.00 | LottoKim | Is there a emulator for openmoko? |
| 11:57.27 | methril | qemu |
| 11:58.09 | LottoKim | any guides on how it can set it up? |
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| 11:58.51 | rwhitby | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu |
| 11:59.09 | timebomb | heya |
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| 11:59.13 | LottoKim | thanks |
| 12:00.33 | timebomb | is there some sort of guide to get started porting openmoko oder something to a windows mobile phone? |
| 12:00.37 | LottoKim | hmm.. wrong cert on svn.openmoko... |
| 12:00.48 | timebomb | i imagine if i screw up the bootloader i can trash the phone eh? |
| 12:01.37 | timebomb | wasnt there a way to load linux from inside windows without messing with the bootloader yet? just to try and get the most important stuff up and running? |
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| 12:04.15 | mjr | I think there was, for the 95 series of windows at least :] but you have to understand that the various arm devices are a rather different thing |
| 12:04.33 | timebomb | yeah i know |
| 12:05.48 | mjr | (not to mention that I don't know if somebody's kludged linux to boot from the modern windows oses without hardware boot even on x86) |
| 12:06.05 | timebomb | oh |
| 12:06.54 | mjr | it's possible, of course, at least by coding your own driver... |
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| 12:14.00 | flaushy | mjr: has to do with memory protection, as i understand it |
| 12:14.13 | timebomb | hm |
| 12:14.17 | flaushy | if u can write over any part of RAM, u can boot and overwrite the OS |
| 12:14.28 | flaushy | "real" OSes should not allow processes to do so |
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| 12:16.52 | Jabka | when building qtopia-x11 image i get the next error "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXtst" what should i do ? |
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| 12:30.38 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03werner * r4496 10/developers/werner/meas/ (32 files in 7 dirs): Charging measurement framework and data. |
| 12:40.51 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rc96c3c81131f 10/odeviced/src/daemon/plugin.vala: add dbus_iface and dbus_object_paths properties |
| 12:40.54 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r37adad3c0600 10/odeviced/src/daemon/service.vala: |
| 12:40.54 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: * made is_loaded private |
| 12:40.54 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: * hide run() from DBus |
| 12:40.55 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r9afef457d9a5 10/odeviced/src/plugins/ (4 files in 4 dirs): add dbus_interface key |
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| 13:02.01 | zlfita | Jabka, it seems ypu are missing some libraries |
| 13:02.22 | zlfita | search for a file names libXtsd |
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| 13:24.39 | igor321 | howdy |
| 13:32.55 | opendeep | How to debug in moko , like i get do_install fialed error. |
| 13:38.14 | LottoKim | /usr/local/gcc3/bin/gcc -Wall -O2 -g -fno-strict-aliasing -I. -I/home/kim/openmoko/qemu-neo1973 -MMD -MP -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -I/home/kim/openmoko/qemu-neo1973/slirp -c -o usb-linux.o usb-linux.c |
| 13:38.19 | LottoKim | In file included from usb-linux.c:31: |
| 13:38.21 | LottoKim | /usr/include/linux/usbdevice_fs.h:49: error: variable or field `__user' declared void |
| 13:38.25 | LottoKim | any idea? |
| 13:39.43 | mjr | is there btw some semi-official information on when the freerunners will be available at the EU resellers _relative to_ the general launch? |
| 13:39.59 | starox | Hello, II built asu image, and I had desactivated the configuration icon. Which file must I chnage to get it again ? |
| 13:42.04 | starox | Trolltech.conf ? |
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| 13:42.44 | starox | hmm nop |
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| 13:51.22 | lukhas_lap | mjr: same as public launch |
| 13:51.42 | lukhas_lap | since they are shipped from factory to US store and reseller at around the same time |
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| 13:51.59 | lukhas_lap | at least that's what we expect at Bearstech :) |
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| 13:54.26 | mjr | lukhas_lap, great |
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| 14:02.31 | LottoKim | anyone have a updated openmoko/download.sh script? |
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| 14:05.01 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rbb19544f926d 10/odeviced/src/plugins/ (4 files in 4 dirs): re-introduce -ggdb flag |
| 14:05.02 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rd03640fce8a0 10/odeviced/src/daemon/plugin.vala: change type of dbus_object_paths to a list of strings |
| 14:05.03 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rada35bde8d90 10/odeviced/src/daemon/service.vala: |
| 14:05.03 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: add ListObjectsByInterface |
| 14:05.05 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: DBus method |
| 14:05.07 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r44214e3b47ac 10/odeviced/src/daemon/helpers.vala: append dbus_paths |
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| 14:31.27 | LottoKim | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_Openmoko_Emulation_with_chroot_image |
| 14:31.45 | LottoKim | anyone know here i can get the image? the host seems to be down |
| 14:32.48 | XorA | was up 30 secs ago |
| 14:33.47 | XorA | oh that wiki host |
| 14:33.50 | XorA | no idea sorry |
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| 14:40.15 | LottoKim | Where to start? I want to contribute:) |
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| 15:00.07 | paulproteus | Do you guys know what FSO is that Graeme wrote about on the email list? |
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| 15:00.30 | XorA | paulproteus: downloads.openmoko.org/framework/ |
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| 15:01.06 | XorA | paulproteus: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone1/ |
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| 15:01.13 | XorA | paulproteus: Graeme here BTW :-D |
| 15:01.33 | paulproteus | Like, you are Graeme? |
| 15:01.38 | XorA | yes |
| 15:01.42 | paulproteus | Awesome. (-: |
| 15:02.25 | paulproteus | Very interesting. How does this development tree relate to the ASU Qtopia-based stuff? |
| 15:02.36 | mickeyl | right now: completely unrelated |
| 15:02.37 | paulproteus | It's totally unrelated, right? |
| 15:02.40 | paulproteus | Right, great. |
| 15:02.42 | mickeyl | the long answer is complicated :)) |
| 15:02.44 | XorA | hands over to mickeyl the master of FSO |
| 15:02.54 | mickeyl | i try to cook up a largish mail about how this all fits in this week |
| 15:02.58 | paulproteus | mickeyl, Is the stuff that you're trying to get other "Linux on $phone" projects working on? |
| 15:03.06 | mickeyl | exactly that, ya |
| 15:03.17 | paulproteus | AKA, I have a HTC Universal and Magician - would this be good software to try to get going on those? |
| 15:03.21 | mickeyl | absolutely |
| 15:03.24 | mickeyl | not yet, but soon |
| 15:03.38 | XorA | is waiting for dcordes to deliver FSO on HTC Kaiser |
| 15:03.41 | paulproteus | Is there an OE build target in org.openembedded.dev? |
| 15:03.48 | paulproteus | (for this stack) |
| 15:03.59 | mickeyl | i'm being paid by Openmoko Inc, so it's going to happen soonest for Neo devices, but I'm a community guy so it will happen for other hardware as well |
| 15:04.05 | mickeyl | bitbake fso-image |
| 15:04.08 | mickeyl | with including |
| 15:04.11 | mickeyl | moko-autorev.inc |
| 15:04.12 | mickeyl | and |
| 15:04.14 | mickeyl | fso-autorev.inc |
| 15:04.22 | paulproteus | Interesting - I don't know about .inc files actually. |
| 15:04.28 | paulproteus | But maybe I'll start a build this instant. |
| 15:04.29 | mickeyl | but beware, we're going to break everything in between of milestones :) |
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| 15:04.45 | XorA | paulproteus: run the milestone1 release for a good overview |
| 15:04.46 | paulproteus | Well can I maybe try to build just that milestone then? (-: |
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| 15:05.03 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 15:05.04 | paulproteus | I only have a Neo1973 and Magician and Universal, not GTA02. |
| 15:05.05 | mickeyl | actually |
| 15:05.09 | mickeyl | i forgot to tag ;) |
| 15:05.14 | mickeyl | but just try a build |
| 15:05.19 | Pander | hi all |
| 15:05.20 | mickeyl | and if it doesn't work at all, we'll figure it out |
| 15:05.27 | paulproteus | mickeyl, Perfect |
| 15:06.08 | mickeyl | might also want to view http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone1/FrameworkMilestone1.m4v ;)) |
| 15:06.13 | mickeyl | shortish introduction |
| 15:06.20 | mickeyl | needs some fancy mp4 codecs |
| 15:06.21 | mickeyl | sorry |
| 15:06.36 | XorA | mickeyl: fancy? |
| 15:06.43 | XorA | mickeyl: get off that c64 :-D |
| 15:06.49 | mickeyl | hehehe |
| 15:07.02 | mickeyl | blames his MacBookPro |
| 15:07.16 | mickeyl | first time i got DV working |
| 15:07.20 | XorA | heh heh |
| 15:07.20 | paulproteus | Wow it's quiet. |
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| 15:07.31 | XorA | I use a lot of mpeg4 with my PS3 and PSP |
| 15:07.34 | mickeyl | paulproteus: you need faad support |
| 15:07.37 | mickeyl | there _is_ audio :) |
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| 15:07.57 | mickeyl | i tried to upload it to youtube, but guess what |
| 15:08.02 | mickeyl | 20 times... 'timeout' |
| 15:08.05 | mickeyl | then i gve u |
| 15:08.08 | mickeyl | then i gave up |
| 15:08.14 | paulproteus | mickeyl, (-: |
| 15:08.22 | paulproteus | wgets it now |
| 15:08.40 | tobii_ | hrhr mickeyl i have your pin |
| 15:08.41 | tobii_ | ;P |
| 15:08.55 | mickeyl | i can change ;) |
| 15:08.56 | paulproteus | Great, another mtn migration. |
| 15:09.02 | paulproteus | waits for that to happen |
| 15:09.18 | paulproteus | I can't believe you OE guys have been suffering through this for years. |
| 15:09.21 | paulproteus | Very strong of you! |
| 15:09.35 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 15:09.51 | XorA | if we ever decide on a commit policy :-( |
| 15:09.58 | mickeyl | it's all over soon |
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| 15:10.15 | paulproteus | But I'm still supposed to be using mtn for now, right? |
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| 15:11.59 | mickeyl | yep |
| 15:13.47 | spydon | mickeyl, funny video :P |
| 15:13.50 | Pander | Probably a question asked too many times: "Does anyone know when Freerunner will be for sale?" |
| 15:14.17 | spydon | Pander, topic - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 15:14.21 | mickeyl | Pander: few days from now |
| 15:14.27 | mickeyl | spydon: ;) |
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| 15:15.33 | Pander | thanks |
| 15:16.21 | zlfita | man, my plane ticket is on 4th of July, damn |
| 15:16.34 | Pander | my 2 cents: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Anti-Theft_Mode |
| 15:18.11 | paulproteus | mickeyl, This video is in fact hilarious. |
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| 15:18.20 | mickeyl | got audio now? :) |
| 15:18.29 | paulproteus | The problem was the speakers' volume! |
| 15:18.32 | mickeyl | aah |
| 15:18.33 | paulproteus | The software works fine. (-: |
| 15:18.34 | XorA | :-D |
| 15:18.48 | paulproteus | "What else can I do? Nothing actually!" |
| 15:18.52 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 15:18.53 | paulproteus | This is GTK and X based? |
| 15:18.56 | tschaka | i just checked the wiki today, it says many things arent implemented yet. question, can i transfer files via bluetooth with upcoming freerunner (wiki says no) and whats up with that alarm daemon. is it possible, to have, e.g. a time set for every day, letting the neo connect to a wifi network, sending a wakeup call to a machine on that network? (long story short, running commands on a specific time)? |
| 15:19.00 | mickeyl | no. EFL |
| 15:19.03 | mickeyl | on X |
| 15:19.12 | paulproteus | Pretty koom! |
| 15:19.15 | mickeyl | hahaha |
| 15:19.20 | mickeyl | so much for my spelling ;) |
| 15:19.40 | paulproteus | mtn gave me some I/O error converting my DB. |
| 15:19.53 | mickeyl | uh oh. ~lart mtn |
| 15:20.00 | mickeyl | try to grab a fresh snapshot from oe |
| 15:20.06 | mickeyl | at best one for your mtn |
| 15:20.11 | mickeyl | s/at// |
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| 15:22.07 | paulproteus | Seems to maybe have been a spurious error; pulling and updating now. |
| 15:22.10 | LottoKim | lukhas_lap: What is so complicated with mms? |
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| 15:24.41 | lukhas_lap | LottoKim: hmm, basically, you can't be sure of what the reciever accepts |
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| 15:25.22 | lukhas_lap | see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Messaging_Service#Challenges_faced_by_MMS for a better version |
| 15:25.56 | Avenged-Revenge | where can I find a list of applications that will be bundled with the Freerunner? |
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| 15:28.53 | LottoKim | lukhas_lap: I see, Thanks |
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| 15:30.38 | paulproteus | Okay, now I wait on mtn, brb after shower. |
| 15:31.54 | paulproteus | mickeyl, BTW, are OpenEZX phones being targeted by FSO currently? |
| 15:32.12 | paulproteus | Looks like from your blog post you're planning to; success? |
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| 15:33.01 | mickeyl | no success yet... no time. however i'm just working on resurrecting my a1200 and do the first tests. |
| 15:33.14 | mickeyl | i expect the e680, a780 to be supported within the next couple of weeks |
| 15:33.21 | paulproteus | Awesome. |
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| 15:33.47 | sandman__ | bitbake cross-compiles programs for use on the device? |
| 15:33.48 | paulproteus | I think this latest release of mtn is slower than previous ones. |
| 15:34.02 | paulproteus | sandman__, Yeah, and it takes care of creating the cross compiler also. |
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| 15:34.35 | paulproteus | mickeyl, state_machines++ |
| 15:34.40 | sandman__ | arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-* |
| 15:34.43 | sandman__ | ? |
| 15:34.48 | Sup3rkiddo | i also happen to read some wiki about maemo taking fso |
| 15:34.48 | Sup3rkiddo | maemo 2010 |
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| 15:37.31 | mmontour | mickeyl: did you see my message earlier about recording a phone call on the GTA01? |
| 15:38.18 | lukhas_lap | so if I understand well, FSO is the base layer under which the fancy apps from ASU will run ? |
| 15:38.40 | lukhas_lap | I'm missing a 3-letter acronym in this sentence, BTW |
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| 15:39.22 | paulproteus | Flaming Software Origin |
| 15:39.29 | XorA | mmontour: did you succeed in doing it? |
| 15:40.09 | mmontour | Sort of - it worked, but the audio quality of the Neo's microphone was poor. More mixer tuning is required. |
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| 15:41.02 | paulproteus | `pwgen`, Nice nick. |
| 15:41.05 | XorA | mmontour: yeah |
| 15:41.54 | `pwgen` | *G* |
| 15:42.04 | LottoKim | Where can i get the Developer release of Neo FreeRunner? |
| 15:42.33 | lukhas_lap | try robbing mickeyl's house |
| 15:42.38 | sandman__ | after bitbake has compiled a package, where are the resulting binaries located in the tree |
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| 15:43.02 | `pwgen` | or hack his server |
| 15:43.42 | LottoKim | the server runs on one of the Neo FreeRunner, right? :) |
| 15:44.07 | spydon | have anyone tried with 8gb sdhc yet? |
| 15:44.13 | dcordes | sandman__: tempdir/deploy/ipk |
| 15:44.19 | `pwgen` | LottoKim: or use qemu emulator |
| 15:44.35 | LottoKim | `pwgen`: i tried, but have som issues |
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| 15:45.36 | `pwgen` | did you use mokomake to do initial setup ? |
| 15:47.27 | LottoKim | i compiled qemu-neo1973, tried to run openmoko/download.sh, but it failed |
| 15:47.32 | sandman__ | dcordes: thanks |
| 15:48.39 | `pwgen` | LottoKim: some error messeages ? |
| 15:49.25 | mickeyl | mmontour: yes, thanks. i copied the state file. will try to repeat your findings |
| 15:49.55 | `pwgen` | mmontour: .state file for recording ? |
| 15:50.19 | mmontour | mickeyl: with those settings it will probably sound like crap. It's really just a proof-of-concept to show that recording is possible. |
| 15:51.28 | mmontour | That state file is set to record outgoing audio on one stereo channel and incoming on the other. Another way to do it would be to use the "record mixer" to combine both onto a single mono channel. |
| 15:51.49 | LottoKim | `pwgen`: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1500 |
| 15:51.55 | mickeyl | XorA: is that possible? |
| 15:52.07 | mmontour | `pwgen`: yes - http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/rec.state |
| 15:52.26 | XorA | gimme a sec, I dont keep the diagram in my head :-) |
| 15:52.48 | mickeyl | no? :) |
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| 15:55.14 | XorA | mickeyl: yes that would work |
| 15:55.19 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 15:55.19 | mickeyl | cool |
| 15:55.22 | XorA | mickeyl: and work even better on gta02 |
| 15:56.06 | XorA | you can never get mono with i2s though, just to point this out |
| 15:56.25 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: fso image still working !! still receving calls ( moved some kilometers, many resume cycles with wakeup testcalls within the last 24h ) |
| 15:56.38 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: mmh, glad to hear |
| 15:57.41 | `pwgen` | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.46 | XorA | \o/ |
| 15:57.56 | `pwgen` | missed only 1 testcall ... |
| 15:58.09 | SpeedEvil | That's horrible for you. |
| 15:58.12 | SpeedEvil | Oh - misread. |
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| 15:58.42 | mickeyl | ya, i think we can speed up a bit |
| 15:58.50 | mickeyl | garmin did remove VT switching iirc |
| 15:58.53 | mickeyl | we should do that as well |
| 15:58.59 | mickeyl | and make X use the current VT |
| 15:59.11 | `pwgen` | LottoKim: change the download path to someting youn can find below http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/ or download my hand |
| 15:59.14 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * red20cf60b310 10/packages/s3c24xx-utils/sjf2410-linux-native_svn.bb: [sjf25410] deploy into DEPLOY_DIR_NATIVE |
| 16:00.27 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03werner * r4497 10/developers/werner/meas/chg/ (13 files in 3 dirs): |
| 16:00.27 | CIA-45 | openmoko: Two new experiments towards lowering power consumption: |
| 16:00.27 | CIA-45 | openmoko: - choke-glamo keeps the Glamo turned off |
| 16:00.27 | CIA-45 | openmoko: - cpu-idle puts the CPU in IDLE mode (instead of busy-looping) while |
| 16:00.28 | CIA-45 | openmoko: waiting for activity |
| 16:01.03 | LottoKim | `pwgen`: thanks, trying that now |
| 16:01.06 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: some idea why the fso image isn't capable to mount the sd-card ? |
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| 16:03.05 | mickeyl | no idea |
| 16:03.10 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: What kernel are you using with FSO? And you're running Milestone 1? |
| 16:05.20 | `pwgen` | yes it's milestone1 uImage-2.6.24-rc8+git2+421.... |
| 16:05.44 | `pwgen` | but i can boot the sd card with this kernel |
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| 16:08.08 | `pwgen` | is there some magic, that activates the mmc device if the cmdline contains root=/dev/mmc.... ? |
| 16:08.46 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: I think the code to read mmc during boot is totally different than the code to read mmc after boot |
| 16:08.54 | wurp2 | The code for boot is from the uboot image, no? |
| 16:09.25 | SpeedEvil | Essential equipment for charging your freerunner. |
| 16:09.27 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200231742008&ih=010&category=58177&_trksid=p3910.m8&_trkparms=algo%3DMW%26its%3DD%252BC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D3%26po%3DOp1%26ps%3D4 |
| 16:09.33 | `pwgen` | after boot is an udev job i think |
| 16:09.43 | SpeedEvil | (with a small dynamo) |
| 16:10.49 | XorA | holy crap |
| 16:11.01 | `pwgen` | the right power source for ultra mobile devices |
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| 16:12.58 | `pwgen` | wurp2: with a kernel some days younger and build on my home buildsystem, the mmc would be found, but resume was ugly slow |
| 16:16.32 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: weird. |
| 16:17.05 | Avenged-Revenge | `has anyone noticed that the ringers on the wiki are kind of... not good? |
| 16:17.06 | wurp2 | I didn't know resume was working at all in the fso branch of the kernel, so that's good to hear anyway |
| 16:17.56 | `pwgen` | resume -- perfect with the FSO ( nearly perfect, a bit slow ) |
| 16:18.53 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: Have you tried installing any 2007.2 apps on the fso? |
| 16:19.10 | wurp2 | terminal, tango or navit, etc. |
| 16:20.23 | abraxa_ | Avenged-Revenge: Ringers? As in... ring tones? |
| 16:20.25 | `pwgen` | wurp2: i avoid useing 2007.2 because i am not convinced about the concept ( named pipe for gsmd ) |
| 16:22.05 | LottoKim | I2C: ready |
| 16:22.06 | LottoKim | DRAM: 128 MB |
| 16:22.06 | LottoKim | NAND: Bad block table not found for chip 0 |
| 16:22.06 | LottoKim | Bad block table not found for chip 0 |
| 16:22.08 | LottoKim | is this normal? |
| 16:22.16 | `pwgen` | a little glue that will connect the good ophoned/pyneod gsm interface with the 2007.2 gui would be a step to the right direction ( at my point of view ) |
| 16:23.46 | `pwgen` | LottoKim: maybe wrong image .. gta02 instead of gta01 ? |
| 16:24.12 | LottoKim | `pwgen`: using gta01 |
| 16:25.27 | `pwgen` | LottoKim: started qemu for gta02 ? ( its a long time ago i used qemu) |
| 16:25.42 | kdean06 | Has the Nokia buyout of Symbian been tossed on here yet? |
| 16:25.53 | mjr | yes |
| 16:26.22 | LottoKim | `pwgen`: using gta01 only, tried with gta02 first |
| 16:26.38 | LottoKim | Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080624-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2, uboot-gta01bv4-latest.bin, 9250c1fc7d6f62075d14ad8f396748490a55d61e-r0-om-gta01.bin |
| 16:27.07 | LottoKim | uImage-2.6.24+git13+9250c1fc7d6f62075d14ad8f396748490a55d61e-r0-om-gta01.bin |
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| 16:34.48 | `pwgen` | LottoKim: mompl, i try to reanimate my old qemu image |
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| 16:35.30 | Avenged-Revenge | abraxa_ ringtones, ringers, whatever you call em I'm not sure I like the ones on the wiki |
| 16:35.40 | Avenged-Revenge | actually I'm pretty sure. |
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| 16:36.28 | abraxa_ | Avenged-Revenge: Well, what's the problem? Just pick your own :) |
| 16:37.04 | Avenged-Revenge | haha, yeah I guess I do that with any other phone |
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| 16:39.05 | methril|laptop | yo |
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| 16:43.39 | sandman__ | is there an ipkg for gcc or should I just cp the gcc binary over |
| 16:44.54 | sandman__ | never mind =) |
| 16:48.27 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: I wasn't actually aware of the 2007.2 model for gsm communications, and I wasn't suggesting installing any 2007.2 phone apps - I was hoping to get to use a media player, terminal, gps app on fso so I could have a useful phone + other toys :-) |
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| 16:51.39 | wurp2 | I agree that the idea of having a low level service with an API is much better than just opening up a pipe to the gsm and letting everyone have at it |
| 16:52.43 | Qwell | I'd love to have direct access to the gsm chip - especially if it meant I could have it transcode audio |
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| 16:52.47 | CVirus | 10 days left |
| 16:53.04 | methril|laptop | 10 days left for what? |
| 16:53.14 | methril|laptop | the Freerunner release? |
| 16:53.17 | CVirus | yes |
| 16:53.31 | tobii_ | don'T believe that |
| 16:53.33 | tobii_ | ;D |
| 16:53.37 | CVirus | I don't |
| 16:53.48 | CVirus | just trying to convince myself that it's true |
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| 16:53.57 | tobii_ | hehe |
| 16:53.57 | CVirus | steve will just come up with another execuse .. hehe |
| 16:54.33 | zlfita | will it have more than one revisions? |
| 16:54.54 | zlfita | how wise is it to buy one from the first batch? |
| 16:55.02 | `pwgen` | i did this on my 2G sd card ( with bt keyboard and icewm + gpsdrive +many other apps ) see scrshoot at http://pastebin.org/45886 |
| 16:55.47 | CVirus | zlfita: the phones and the production line have been tested a thousand times ... I'm getting mine from the first batch for fuck's sake |
| 16:56.00 | `pwgen` | wurp2: http://pastebin.org/45886 *G* |
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| 16:56.40 | wurp2 | Heh, link to pastebin containing link to your site, nice ;-) |
| 16:57.30 | zlfita | neat! nice job |
| 16:57.33 | wurp2 | Excellent, I'm glad (and kind of surprised, at this early stage) that you can build a good platform w/ lots of functionality on FSO |
| 16:57.40 | `pwgen` | i have a freerunner bt keyboard to use the terminal and other apps |
| 16:58.41 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: I don't suppose you could issue a 'opkg list_installed > installed.opkg' and send me the results? :-) |
| 16:58.46 | `pwgen` | but the zhone ist workin for now on this image (:-(( ( partly . o can do call but not hangup , or take an incomeing call ). |
| 16:58.54 | wurp2 | I'm using an iGo kbd |
| 16:59.09 | wurp2 | Oh, so that's not a milestone 1 + some other stuff installed |
| 17:00.04 | wurp2 | Hrm, good point, though - no sw kbd in fso, and probably no provision for one |
| 17:00.11 | zlfita | what does FSO stand for? |
| 17:00.28 | XorA|gone | Freerunner Secret O........ |
| 17:00.41 | XorA|gone | freesmartphone.org |
| 17:02.03 | `pwgen` | wurp2: i added pkg list ( opkg list_installed .. ) |
| 17:03.42 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: Thanks! |
| 17:04.56 | `pwgen` | wurp2: build on mokomake openembedded, so some packeges may be outdated |
| 17:05.04 | wurp2 | er, and I hate to keep asking you for things, but... where do I find the repository info? |
| 17:06.04 | `pwgen` | this came from a self build repo ( build on an xen machine aprox 15000 cpu clocks nearly 24 hour ) |
| 17:06.05 | wurp2 | Hrm, if you built them all yourself I guess there isn't repository info :-/ |
| 17:06.22 | wurp2 | heh |
| 17:06.22 | `pwgen` | mompl |
| 17:08.44 | elfo | -awaz afk |
| 17:09.23 | `pwgen` | wurp2: try .dyndns.org:8080 |
| 17:09.49 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: I can't access ports other than 80 or 443 from work :-( |
| 17:10.05 | wurp2 | I'll email it to myself at home, though |
| 17:12.07 | `pwgen` | i put a link on the trac where to get permanently the repo cause i had to leave in 30 min |
| 17:12.37 | wurp2 | thanks much for all the helpful info |
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| 17:23.59 | LottoKim | wurp2: did you get it up and running? |
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| 17:26.07 | wurp2 | LottoKim: I'm at work, with no dfu-util access |
| 17:26.17 | wurp2 | So no :-/ |
| 17:26.28 | LottoKim | no problem:) |
| 17:26.43 | wurp2 | I hope to get after it in about 10 hours :-) |
| 17:27.02 | LottoKim | I will try some more |
| 17:27.52 | LottoKim | NAND: Bad block table not found for chip 0 |
| 17:28.05 | LottoKim | it means the nand flash is corrupt? |
| 17:29.38 | wurp2 | LottoKim: Did you try reflashing? |
| 17:29.56 | LottoKim | yes |
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| 17:31.26 | diego | LottoKim, perhaps is the image that is corrupted |
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| 17:34.48 | `pwgen` | wurp: i copy the images on an permantely server you can get them under /moko/... |
| 17:35.07 | LottoKim | kim@lotta:~/openmoko/qemu-neo1973/openmoko> hexdump openmoko-flash.base |
| 17:35.07 | LottoKim | 0000000 ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff |
| 17:35.07 | LottoKim | * |
| 17:35.07 | LottoKim | 4200000 |
| 17:35.18 | `pwgen` | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.56 | LottoKim | same issue with a different image |
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| 17:40.35 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke * rc908a52fd530 10/src/server/server.pro: [server] Remove the shutdown task from the server |
| 17:40.36 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke * ra59652d8a9e3 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/qtopia |
| 17:40.37 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke * ra779f74b7572 10/src/libraries/qtopia/themedview.cpp: Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/qtopia |
| 17:40.37 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke * rcd163b0185f7 10/src/server/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [homescreen] Provide a dummy homescreen that replaces themed one |
| 17:40.40 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke * r26c87ba6fe67 10/src/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [theme] Attempt to minimize the calls to ThemedView::layout |
| 17:41.31 | fgau | LottoKim: try a nand erase rootfs kernel before you flash http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Nand_erase |
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| 17:43.05 | balrog-kun | LottoKim: are you reflashing the emulator? if you use the flash.sh it removes the image and starts with a new one everytime |
| 17:43.52 | LottoKim | balrog-kun: I'm using flash.sh |
| 17:44.05 | `pwgen` | LottoKim: i tried a "make qemu" with mokomake and now i ha a running emulator . |
| 17:44.23 | `pwgen` | s/ha/have/ |
| 17:44.35 | balrog-kun | an empty flash is filled with ffff's so that's what you see |
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| 17:47.10 | `pwgen` | i must leave .... bye ... |
| 17:47.24 | methril|laptop | bye |
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| 17:50.34 | LottoKim | aha, i have been using the manual step |
| 17:50.57 | balrog-kun | how is it failing? |
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| 17:52.40 | LottoKim | http://www.pastebin.cz/show/6432 |
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| 17:55.20 | sandman__ | where is the cache for opkg located on the phone |
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| 17:57.39 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r29a27120a7a3 10/odeviced/src/daemon/service.vala: WTF alert: make ListObjectsByInterface return the first object path |
| 17:58.35 | balrog-kun | LottoKim: strange, i guess it may be something in today's images |
| 17:58.58 | balrog-kun | LottoKim: the Mokomakefile doesn't do more than call flash.sh so it should have the same effect |
| 17:59.47 | LottoKim | its bookting now |
| 17:59.55 | balrog-kun | yay |
| 17:59.59 | LottoKim | :D |
| 18:00.09 | LottoKim | Thanks anyone |
| 18:02.50 | LottoKim | Hmm. I'm not able to do anything with it |
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| 18:11.57 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r639b3855f13b 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): controller: move quering objects out of odeviced and unconditionally into the framework |
| 18:11.57 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0c2b55d857ac 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/info.py: odeviced: add info object |
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| 18:27.59 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r610cb57bb4f8 10/odeviced/src/daemon/service.vala: GetObjectsByInterface returns an array of strings now, should work with zhone |
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| 18:46.12 | erko | I'm trying to get mmc working with zhone on my GTA01. Any suggestions? (pwgen? wurp2?) |
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| 18:56.37 | malik1972 | what about the fso images? |
| 18:58.34 | wurp2 | erko: afaik, no one knows how to make it work with the latest fso images |
| 18:59.17 | wurp2 | erko: `pwgen` had it working in a home-built version of fso from a few days ago, but apparently that version didn't have stable calling, so that's not much help |
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| 18:59.30 | wurp2 | malik1972: zhone == fso images |
| 19:01.51 | dos | malik1972: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone1/ |
| 19:02.48 | malik1972 | thanx, i try to emulate it, got some qt screen with 4 icons, but nothing happens "no network" |
| 19:03.26 | erko | wurp2, ah, ok. for kicks I tried flashing an asu kernel with the fso rootfs. It kind of works, but gsm dropped out after a couple of calls. |
| 19:04.19 | wurp2 | erko: `pwgen` was having good luck with a stock version of the fso kernel |
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| 19:04.42 | wurp2 | The name of the image should be in the room history, about 2-3 hours back. |
| 19:05.02 | wurp2 | erko: But mmc support wasn't there |
| 19:05.16 | wurp2 | erko: His good luck was with calls, including suspend & resume |
| 19:05.22 | erko | wurp2: yes, the stock kernel worked for calls for me too. but the asu kernel did give me mmc support. Maybe the zhone kernel needs the mmc option enabled. |
| 19:05.33 | wurp2 | ah |
| 19:05.42 | Sup3rkiddo | http://134.169.172.106/~jluebbe/images/neo1973/ for the newer ones |
| 19:05.46 | Sup3rkiddo | milestones are for weenies |
| 19:05.50 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 19:05.52 | erko | :) |
| 19:05.58 | wurp2 | weenies who want their phone to work |
| 19:06.15 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, hehe |
| 19:06.19 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 19:06.34 | Sup3rkiddo | or bitbake fso-image |
| 19:06.49 | Sup3rkiddo | althought it barfs at mickeyterminal |
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| 19:07.08 | cyrilRomain | OMG, Nokia is buying all the companies: Trolltech, Navteq, Plazes, symbian, .. |
| 19:07.21 | Sup3rkiddo | cd builds && . ../setup-env && bitbake fso-image |
| 19:07.39 | Avenged-Revenge | so we're thinking orders can be taken place by july 1st? |
| 19:08.04 | lpotter | cyrilRomain: we are the Norg. resistence if futile. prepare to be assimilated. |
| 19:09.07 | cyrilRomain | lpotter: gah, if it's for freeing more code I agree resistence is futile, otherwise I'm totally against it |
| 19:09.22 | dos | cyrilRomain: maybe they will buy windows mobile and android too? ;D |
| 19:09.23 | SpeedEvil | 'Due to a mistake in the coding of the online store, Nokia has accidentally bought OpenMoko Inc, for $399. Operations are hence suspended'. |
| 19:09.42 | dos | lol xD |
| 19:09.49 | lpotter | cyrilRomain: the announcemnt says that they will use the Eclipse Public License |
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| 19:11.23 | goodwill|sleepy | what exactly is mmc? |
| 19:11.28 | cyrilRomain | is still angry to hear the 500 bigest companies of the world own about 50% of the wealth :-( |
| 19:12.03 | cyrilRomain | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 19:12.16 | erko | goodwill: sd card support |
| 19:12.17 | lpotter | cyrilRomain: at leat Nokia seems to be trying to be a good 'citizen' |
| 19:12.25 | lpotter | least, that is |
| 19:12.31 | zedstar | all your base are belong to us |
| 19:12.33 | cyrilRomain | lpotter: as google seems to be, as Apple seems to be .... |
| 19:13.05 | cyrilRomain | s/seems/seemed/ (?) |
| 19:13.08 | lpotter | cyrilRomain: not so sure how Apple is |
| 19:13.55 | cyrilRomain | lpotter: Apple hire open source developers like Chris Latner (llvm). I'm pretty sure not all the code if put back in the llvm public repository :-/ |
| 19:14.08 | zedstar | dont trust google if they have their way we will be all using web browsers and storing all our data on their servers |
| 19:14.08 | mjr | apple certainly doesn't seem to, nokia doesn't seem to, google, hmm |
| 19:14.09 | cyrilRomain | s/if/is not/ |
| 19:14.53 | mjr | nokia does pay lip service, but at the same time continues the backstabs |
| 19:14.54 | SpeedEvil | But google is not evil! |
| 19:14.59 | SpeedEvil | (unless you're not online) |
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| 19:15.25 | lpotter | cyrilRomain: when Apple announces they are releasing mac os x as open source, then I will start to notice |
| 19:15.33 | cyrilRomain | lpotter: me too |
| 19:17.06 | lpotter | cyrilRomain: although, the EPL is open source, we will see just how much they release as open source. |
| 19:19.48 | cyrilRomain | lpotter: yeah, because it's easy when you have so much money that Trolltech is nothing to buy, and because it's too easy to "appropriate" open source code (see webkit code coming from KHTML) |
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| 19:20.23 | balrog-kun | nokia does a fair bit of oss work |
| 19:21.22 | mjr | they do, they're just rather schizoid about it |
| 19:21.47 | balrog-kun | my feeling is that google does less |
| 19:22.23 | mjr | like, it'd be nice if nokia didn't lobby for directly relevant suppressive, monopolistic legislation and against open formats :] |
| 19:24.32 | mjr | (and those things about foss devs needing to embrace drm and people stealing their free software) |
| 19:24.49 | cyrilRomain | balrog-kun: google surely does less, although the google summer of code might prove it wrong. But if you really compare the money they spend in Gsoc and the profit they make you then understand that Gsoc is almost 'marketing' only |
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| 19:25.26 | cyrilRomain | well, sorry to be off topic. I'll shut off now |
| 19:26.42 | CM | mjr: Ari did express himself a bit bad there, for sure |
| 19:26.53 | CM | But at least some people there really do get open source |
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| 19:27.07 | linuxxee | u cant steal free software |
| 19:27.17 | mjr | some, maybe, but they don't seem to be in any positions of power |
| 19:27.26 | SpeedEvil | GPL!=free |
| 19:27.28 | CM | Was at a seminar with some people from Ericsson and Nokia and other people, and the Ericsson people were totally clueless |
| 19:27.50 | cyrilRomain | second SpeedEvil |
| 19:27.58 | CM | mjr: True, they are still from the good old proprietary days |
| 19:28.33 | mjr | so "yay, Nokia has people who get FOSS - as code monkeys who do what they're told" |
| 19:30.39 | mjr | well, I'll stop now too, but not before my favourite quote on the matter: http://liw.iki.fi/liw/log/2004-12.html#20041208b |
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| 19:35.24 | erko | Sup3rkiddo, thanks for the up to date builds. zhone working with mmc support now. Made a few calls with no problems. |
| 19:36.03 | Sup3rkiddo | erko, :D, cool...you mean bitbake fso-image or jluebbe's images? |
| 19:36.16 | erko | jluebbe's images |
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| 19:40.57 | Sup3rkiddo | erko, oh ok |
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| 19:47.22 | Sup3rkiddo | erko, strange, are you able to ssh into your phone? |
| 19:47.56 | erko | yep, works fine for me, you? |
| 19:48.19 | Sup3rkiddo | erko, nope, blank passwords doesn seem to work |
| 19:50.20 | erko | Sup3rkiddo: hmm, here are the files I flashed in case it matters: Openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080622-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 and uImage-2.6.24+git17+9250c1fc7d6f62075d14ad8f396748490a55d61e-r0-om-gta01.bin |
| 19:50.41 | Sup3rkiddo | yeah thanks |
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| 19:55.01 | wurp2 | erko: Have you tested suspend & resume on those? |
| 19:56.17 | kdean06 | Has there been a new Framework image released? |
| 19:56.23 | erko | wurp2, nope |
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| 19:58.25 | erko | kdean06: nope, but Sup3rkiddo posted this link with more recent images:  http://134.169.172.106/~jluebbe/images/neo1973/ |
| 19:59.01 | kdean06 | What's new about it? |
| 19:59.07 | kdean06 | SMS added in? |
| 19:59.15 | kdean06 | OR is it still the phone only? |
| 20:00.34 | erko | kdean06: I'm not sure if anything's new, but I was just looking to get my SD card to work. |
| 20:00.56 | kdean06 | Oh, okay. :) |
| 20:01.01 | Sup3rkiddo | just some changes internally afaik |
| 20:01.16 | kdean06 | I used the milestone release, and it worked pretty well. |
| 20:01.28 | kdean06 | I like Zhone. :) |
| 20:01.29 | Sup3rkiddo | i have been trying to get the latest git code |
| 20:01.37 | Sup3rkiddo | bitbake fso-image |
| 20:01.40 | wurp2 | kdean06: SD card, suspend/resume |
| 20:01.44 | Sup3rkiddo | always barfs at mickeyterminal |
| 20:01.52 | Sup3rkiddo | suspend seems to work |
| 20:01.59 | kdean06 | But I really wish I knew how the project related to the ASU... |
| 20:02.06 | wurp2 | kdean06: It doesn't :-( |
| 20:02.12 | kdean06 | ? |
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| 20:02.34 | wurp2 | I've asked exactly that question & that's the answer I got |
| 20:02.41 | zash | Are ppl using gmail double clicking the send-button or what? |
| 20:02.57 | Sup3rkiddo | kdean06, theoretically it could |
| 20:02.59 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 20:03.05 | wurp2 | iirc mickeyl's plan is to get fso working, then push to get the framework integrated into whatever the OM build plan is then |
| 20:03.14 | kdean06 | So openmoko is developing a framework (represented in the FSO) and a line of software (represented in the ASU) and has no intentions on merging the two? |
| 20:03.27 | zash | i got 3 nearly identical mails, with only timestamps and server-path diffing |
| 20:03.34 | wurp2 | is OM developing fso? |
| 20:03.55 | zash | define:fso |
| 20:03.56 | wurp2 | I thought that initially, but after hearing mickeyl talk about it I'm not sure |
| 20:04.18 | wurp2 | kdean06: honestly, I have no idea wtf OM is doing any more |
| 20:04.18 | summatusmentis | I feel like fso is a side project, or a sub project of OM |
| 20:04.30 | kdean06 | The "Openmoko Framework" is being developed by Openmoko I thought, and the FSO images were examples of software based on the framework. |
| 20:04.50 | wurp2 | kdean06: based on the name, one would think that :-) |
| 20:05.03 | kdean06 | I assumed this framework would eventually be worked into the ASU. |
| 20:05.10 | kdean06 | But if that's not the case... |
| 20:05.20 | kdean06 | Then Openmoko Inc. has some serious brand management issue. :P |
| 20:05.23 | wurp2 | I should say, the actual question I asked was what is the relationship between Milestone 1 and ASU |
| 20:05.30 | mjr | from what I've gathered the intention is to merge, but to first ship the q'n'd asu |
| 20:05.35 | wurp2 | so it's possible I misinterpreted the answer... |
| 20:06.25 | kdean06 | I assumed that "Openmoko" was a distro based on OpenEmbedded and that Openmoko Inc. was developing it. But if the fso is actually "unofficial" then it would actually seem that 'Openmoko' is more "any softwarte that runs on a Neo device". |
| 20:06.59 | kdean06 | I don't have a problem with that at all, I love competition that forces innovation. :) |
| 20:07.09 | kdean06 | But there's some really bad communication going on here. :P |
| 20:07.13 | mjr | (from mickey's talks, so go to him for my primary source) |
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| 20:09.11 | wurp2 | mjr: That's what I thought to, but the way mickeyl phrased it, it sounds as if *his* plan is to merge, and it sounded as if he expected to have to make it be OM's plan |
| 20:09.34 | kdean06 | I suppose that's an issue too... |
| 20:09.42 | erko | wurp2: i think mickey == OM (approximately) |
| 20:09.45 | wurp2 | s/to,/too,/ |
| 20:09.46 | kdean06 | Yeah. |
| 20:09.50 | kdean06 | That's what I'm saying. |
| 20:10.11 | mjr | ah well, fuck it, just gimme a linux handheld with phone/sms/data _somehow_ :] |
| 20:10.14 | wurp2 | erko: Well, I'm pretty sure that when mickey started fso, it had no OM support |
| 20:10.15 | erko | (oops, that was for _apt) |
| 20:10.26 | kdean06 | If someone writing code for Openmoko Inc. says they have plans to merge it, that is Openmoko saying there are plans to merge, IMO. |
| 20:10.28 | wurp2 | mjr: agreed |
| 20:10.30 | erko | wurp2, ah |
| 20:10.36 | kdean06 | Communication issues. :S |
| 20:10.54 | wurp2 | kdean06: big time |
| 20:11.10 | wurp2 | kdean06: To the point that I dunno who could even say it that would make it official |
| 20:11.33 | wurp2 | steve needs to annoint someone the OM software architecture spokesperson |
| 20:11.45 | kdean06 | lol |
| 20:11.55 | kdean06 | Which steve? :P |
| 20:12.03 | wurp2 | The Steve |
| 20:12.05 | kdean06 | The one that said "I'm in marketing, don't ask me about software?" |
| 20:12.11 | wurp2 | yeah, that guy |
| 20:12.18 | kdean06 | LMFAO |
| 20:12.21 | wurp2 | Sean could do it to |
| 20:12.23 | wurp2 | o |
| 20:12.56 | wurp2 | This is a marketing problem, though... |
| 20:13.23 | kdean06 | I'd say Michael Shiloh has more to this... Isn't he the "Community Liasion" or something? |
| 20:13.42 | kdean06 | Sometiems I feel that Openmoko uses "openness" to create chaos to conceal what's happening. :P |
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| 20:14.44 | XorA|gone | points out that mickeyl is already Openmoko Software Architect |
| 20:15.43 | kdean06 | WHich is why I think his word is official. :P |
| 20:15.46 | kdean06 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework#Answering_the_TOP_x_questions |
| 20:15.54 | kdean06 | "Is this the mystic ASU" -> No. |
| 20:15.58 | kdean06 | That said... |
| 20:16.08 | kdean06 | That's the same tree that was put in when announcing the ASU. :P |
| 20:16.19 | kdean06 | Actually... |
| 20:16.20 | kdean06 | Hrm. |
| 20:16.37 | wurp2 | Yeah, but his official word is "I want OM to merge this" |
| 20:16.53 | kdean06 | It seems like that makes sense. |
| 20:17.00 | kdean06 | And I thought that is what the ASU was. |
| 20:17.16 | kdean06 | That the Qtopia apps would be adapted to fit into the framework and THAT merger would be the "final product". |
| 20:17.38 | XorA|gone | ASU was supposed to be a quick hack to get a working phone |
| 20:17.42 | kdean06 | So everything I've said about the ASU "Having promise" has been based on that assumption... Perhaps i Need to revisit. |
| 20:18.01 | kdean06 | XorA|gone, Thus far the better 2007.02 images have beaten it out. :P |
| 20:18.17 | XorA|gone | kdean06: my experience too, it cant even make phone calls |
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| 20:18.37 | kdean06 | No calls on either device, and no working media player. |
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| 20:19.07 | XorA|gone | kdean06: you cant make calls either? |
| 20:19.17 | wurp2 | kdean06: Which are the main 2 things I use the device for :-) |
| 20:19.38 | kdean06 | I haven't tried, honestly. I listen to podcasts 2 hours a day, 6 days a week, so if I can't do that, I don't carry the device around. |
| 20:20.14 | kdean06 | Currently, I'm running Qtopia on the GTA01 as my "primary phone" and have been testing images of all sorts to see if there's improvmeent |
| 20:20.27 | CVirus | kdean06: battery ? |
| 20:20.29 | kdean06 | And IMO, the ONLY changes Iv'e really seein in the asu is renaming Diversity to Splinter. |
| 20:20.38 | CVirus | hehe |
| 20:20.52 | kdean06 | Since a broken app breaking in a different place isn't that spectacular. |
| 20:20.52 | erko | wurp2, I was able to receive a call in suspend a little while ago using zhone. |
| 20:21.05 | kdean06 | zhone is working. :) |
| 20:21.09 | CVirus | zhone ? |
| 20:21.13 | kdean06 | Yes. |
| 20:21.21 | XorA|gone | beleives zhone is the way forward |
| 20:21.23 | kdean06 | The FSO, or the Milestone releases. |
| 20:21.28 | CVirus | what is FSO ? |
| 20:21.47 | wurp2 | erko: Hooray! mmc and suspend/resume on call both! |
| 20:21.57 | wurp2 | CVirus: the freesmartphone.org release, aka zhone |
| 20:21.57 | CVirus | huh ? |
| 20:21.59 | kdean06 | http://www.vanille-media.de/images/zhone-0.0.0.png |
| 20:21.59 | CVirus | really ? |
| 20:22.01 | erko | wurp2: woohoo :) |
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| 20:22.52 | wurp2 | CVirus: yep, milestone Xs are releases of fso, which is aka zhone |
| 20:22.54 | kdean06 | Okay, if Zhone is NOT going to be merged with ASU, then I need to really re-evaluate things... Cause according to the Zhone roadmap, it'll be usable long before the ASU. :P |
| 20:23.24 | josch | this is how you define usable |
| 20:23.26 | CVirus | Who is working on Zhone ? |
| 20:23.29 | wurp2 | kdean06: On that screenshot, does any app work except the phone? |
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| 20:23.34 | josch | the framework is mostly about the dbus daemons |
| 20:23.37 | kdean06 | No. |
| 20:23.46 | wurp2 | k, just checking ;-) |
| 20:23.52 | kdean06 | wurp2, The others say "Feature not implimented" or similar. |
| 20:24.00 | kdean06 | Clicking them do things, but nothing worth noting. :P |
| 20:24.04 | josch | contacts will be added in milestone2 |
| 20:24.09 | josch | sms in milestone3 |
| 20:24.16 | kdean06 | And soem "advanced" telephony things. :) |
| 20:24.37 | hfsplus | um I am mildly confused here |
| 20:24.48 | wurp2 | hfsplus: join the club |
| 20:24.51 | hfsplus | the FreeRunner will in fact make calls/do sms/ when it is released for sale, yes? |
| 20:25.02 | wurp2 | hfsplus: If you run the right sw stack on it, yes |
| 20:25.04 | CVirus | Who is working on Zhone ? |
| 20:25.06 | josch | another thing to know: |
| 20:25.08 | wurp2 | e.g. Qtopia |
| 20:25.11 | CVirus | and what the hell is FSO ? |
| 20:25.18 | josch | things like sms already work in the framework |
| 20:25.20 | wurp2 | CVirus: dammit, fso = zhone |
| 20:25.23 | CVirus | ah ok |
| 20:25.26 | josch | but there is no implementation in zhone |
| 20:25.27 | wurp2 | CVirus: mickeyl & company are working on it |
| 20:25.28 | kdean06 | wurp2, As far as I know, Qtopia itself won't run on Freerunner without issues. |
| 20:25.33 | hfsplus | okay... cause I dont want to buy a phone I cant make calls on |
| 20:25.35 | mmontour | hfsplus: so they say, but it's using yet another software stack (the GTK-basd 2007.2) |
| 20:25.35 | josch | fso != zhone |
| 20:25.37 | wurp2 | kdean06: agh |
| 20:25.39 | josch | zhone is only the app |
| 20:25.42 | kdean06 | At least, I've not seen a usable Qtpia image for Freerunner. |
| 20:25.51 | wurp2 | josch: thx for the correction |
| 20:26.01 | lpotter | qtopia runs fine on freerunner |
| 20:26.10 | kdean06 | lpotter, Oh? |
| 20:26.12 | wurp2 | zhone is the only app the user interacts with now in fso, though, afaik |
| 20:26.13 | cyrilRomain | believe fso to be the first basic-phone-working image, but that ASU is better for PIM apps (I may be wrong though) |
| 20:26.26 | josch | wurp2, correct |
| 20:26.29 | kdean06 | How do I get/build a Qtopia image from Freerunner? |
| 20:26.36 | josch | but interaction with the framework is farely easy |
| 20:26.44 | josch | just a bunch of dbus calls |
| 20:26.55 | josch | have a look at the zhone source for reference |
| 20:27.04 | wurp2 | josch: Is there a known way to get fso to kick off an app? |
| 20:27.15 | wurp2 | e.g. can I hook into one of the existing "not yet implemented" buttons? |
| 20:27.23 | josch | oh of course |
| 20:27.28 | josch | have a look at pyhone |
| 20:27.28 | mudyc | that's the way it should be. d-bus under the hood and what ever gui user wants on top of it |
| 20:28.03 | zedstar | is FSO a officially funded development project by Openmoko inc or a spinoff community driven project with unpaid man hours? |
| 20:28.05 | wurp2 | josch: You say "oh, of course", but that's not at all easy to do in e.g. underground |
| 20:28.22 | josch | http://neo1973-germany.de/wiki/pyPhone |
| 20:28.26 | mjr | zedstar, apparently yes |
| 20:28.26 | josch | this is pyphone |
| 20:28.34 | josch | an app i wrote in january or so |
| 20:28.42 | josch | mickeyl took it and expanded it |
| 20:28.45 | josch | now it is zhone |
| 20:29.07 | zedstar | and mickely plus others are being paid to work on it now? |
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| 20:31.08 | lpotter | kdean06: you'll have to wait |
| 20:32.18 | josch | wurp2, if you have questions concering zhone |
| 20:32.30 | josch | ask these people mentioned in the python source |
| 20:32.32 | josch | here: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=zhone.git;a=blob;f=src/zhone;hb=HEAD |
| 20:32.44 | wurp2 | josch: OK, thanks |
| 20:33.19 | josch | zedstar, they are |
| 20:33.27 | josch | only i am not :D |
| 20:33.33 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03werner * r4498 10/developers/werner/bin/mdflt: |
| 20:33.33 | CIA-45 | openmoko: Header:<EOL> appears in real life and is RFC822-compliant, so we better |
| 20:33.33 | CIA-45 | openmoko: support it. |
| 20:34.13 | zedstar | josch ask for some money for your part of code ;) |
| 20:34.35 | josch | hahaha |
| 20:35.13 | kdean06 | lpotter, Why's that? |
| 20:35.31 | josch | zedstar, the fame of bing mentioned in the source is rly enough for me - i could not wish for more :) |
| 20:37.47 | zedstar | josch :) |
| 20:38.21 | lpotter | we found 3rd party files in qtopia source that were missing copyright statements, so they removed the sources until they get fixedf up |
| 20:39.22 | lpotter | as well as binaries |
| 20:41.43 | mjr | wonder how long the entier source will have to be conveniently spirited away because of some files |
| 20:42.49 | lpotter | me too |
| 20:42.58 | lpotter | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.03 | kdean06 | That's fair enough, I suppose. |
| 20:43.17 | lpotter | it was a lawyer thing |
| 20:43.40 | XorA|gone | kill all lawyers |
| 20:43.49 | XorA|gone | save a whole lot of hassle and money in the long run |
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| 20:44.57 | mjr | well, that would get rid of some good guys as well |
| 20:45.08 | mjr | though, them being good guys, they undoubtedly would recognize the greater good |
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| 20:48.04 | mmu_man | plop |
| 20:49.04 | spydon | plop |
| 20:50.24 | mmu_man | I'm checking checking binutils to port Haiku to arm... |
| 20:50.42 | mmu_man | there are a lot of arm variants in binutils/ld/configure.tgt |
| 20:50.59 | mmu_man | actually the first case switch has twice the arm* cases !? |
| 20:53.21 | mmu_man | there are cases with arm*-* arm9e-* arm*b- thumb- strongarm- xscale- ... |
| 20:54.25 | mmu_man | what's the target used for openmoko ? |
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| 21:07.10 | zash | mmu_man: check the wiki |
| 21:07.31 | zash | mmu_man: probably some hardware-page |
| 21:08.00 | mmu_man | This GDB was configured as "--host=i686-linux --target=arm-linux"... |
| 21:08.12 | mmu_man | I suppose using arm-haiku would be enough |
| 21:09.14 | mmu_man | will see |
| 21:09.26 | erko | possibly armv4t? |
| 21:12.18 | zash | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware says Core: ARM920T |
| 21:12.29 | zash | Instruction Set: ARMv4 |
| 21:14.33 | mmu_man | I suppose gcc has -m options to secify exact cpu type using multilib like on m68k |
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| 21:42.27 | fargle | hi. I'm coding up a UI using EFL evas/ecore. Looking for starter on gadgets. Any pointers? |
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| 21:53.41 | kdubois | what carrier in the U.S. will the openmoko freerunner work with? |
| 21:53.57 | SpeedEvil | Any GSM carrier at all. |
| 21:54.02 | SpeedEvil | (with the US version) |
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| 21:56.21 | kdubois | ah, cool. thanks SpeedEvil |
| 21:56.26 | mjr | the two large ones being t-mobile and at&t |
| 21:56.35 | mjr | and then various smaller ones, I hear |
| 21:57.08 | Qwell | all the smaller ones are just MVNOs for the most part anyways |
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| 21:58.44 | mjr | probably |
| 21:59.28 | mjr | (I dunno) |
| 22:01.25 | kdubois | yeah, the big ones are definitely at&t and t-mobile (they own the networks) |
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| 22:01.47 | kdubois | and then theres some antitrust law (afaik) that lets the little guys get in on the action too |
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| 22:27.38 | lloyd_fedora | hello all |
| 22:28.51 | lloyd_fedora | does anyone have any updates as to when the freerunner ships ?? |
| 22:29.10 | wurp2 | The guess is the first week of July |
| 22:29.10 | kdean06 | Not since the last time someone asked. :P |
| 22:29.23 | SpeedEvil | Freerunner ships have not yet been announced. |
| 22:29.39 | SpeedEvil | They are widely expected to be biremes though. |
| 22:29.56 | kdean06 | SpeedEvil, Has something changed? |
| 22:29.59 | wurp2 | lloyd_fedora: You can keep up to date by checking http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 22:30.18 | lloyd_fedora | lol .. kdead |
| 22:30.38 | kdean06 | Steve speculated that it would be the 4th of July, which isn't an exact date, but it's probably the most firm answer ever given by them. |
| 22:30.40 | lloyd_fedora | wurp2: last update there was om the 15th |
| 22:30.48 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: wtf is a bireme? Besides a ship w/ 2 rows of oars? |
| 22:30.59 | wurp2 | lloyd_fedora: that's the last update |
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| 22:31.06 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: that's what I was meaning. |
| 22:31.09 | lloyd_fedora | "-( |
| 22:31.15 | wurp2 | ah |
| 22:31.21 | SpeedEvil | Sorry. |
| 22:32.12 | wurp2 | Heh, it's OK. Everyone does one of those at least occasionally |
| 22:32.16 | wurp2 | ttg, have a good night |
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| 22:36.13 | lloyd_fedora | brb |
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| 23:46.47 | CVirus | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/06/nokia_takes_ini.html |
| 23:48.02 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 23:48.06 | SpeedEvil | Interesting. |
| 23:48.34 | SpeedEvil | (nokia opensources sybian) |
| 23:48.39 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 23:48.44 | SpeedEvil | (nokia opensources symbian) |
| 23:49.35 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't say anything about the license. |
| 23:49.41 | CVirus | no |
| 23:52.03 | SpeedEvil | Random question. Someones asking about ada on OE - anyone done ADA stuff? |
| 23:53.57 | nibbler | any hind what he's trying to use it for? |
| 23:54.15 | SpeedEvil | Just 'stuff' |
| 23:54.17 | nibbler | ada is usually used in application where extreme reliability is demanded |
| 23:54.25 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 23:54.37 | SpeedEvil | I was idly wondering. |
| 23:54.57 | SpeedEvil | At one time I considered learning ADA. |
| 23:55.03 | SpeedEvil | Then I bought a book, and looked inside it, which cured that. |
| 23:55.10 | nibbler | nothing against OM - but... i wouldn't want it as a crucial part for... an airplane orso :) |
| 23:56.02 | nibbler | then again... for a drone... |
| 23:56.04 | SpeedEvil | It's got a GPS. |
| 23:56.18 | SpeedEvil | You could put USB servos on it, and you've got it done. |
| 23:56.24 | nibbler | and the fr got gyros. |
| 23:56.25 | SpeedEvil | Freerunner even has accelerometers in. |
| 23:56.33 | SpeedEvil | Not gyros :( |
| 23:56.36 | nibbler | (not the greek food) |
| 23:56.42 | CVirus | http://blogs.msdn.com/mikehall/archive/2006/06/29/651213.aspx |
| 23:56.48 | nibbler | ah - yeah - wrong term |
| 23:56.56 | SpeedEvil | Gyros are annoyingly large and expensive. |
| 23:56.58 | nibbler | gyro!=accelerometer |
| 23:57.01 | nibbler | in deed |
| 23:57.30 | SpeedEvil | $10+++/axis vs $1ish |
| 23:58.08 | nibbler | yeah |
