| 00:01.01 | goodwill | I did: make download-images |
| 00:01.11 | goodwill | then make flash-qemu-official |
| 00:01.16 | goodwill | that did not help |
| 00:01.29 | goodwill | now I am trying make flash-qemu-local |
| 00:01.48 | goodwill | which is downloading a lot of git stuff |
| 00:02.06 | goodwill | I suspect it will be a while to build to |
| 00:02.32 | goodwill | what I am not getting is why the official images do not look anything like the current version I've seen |
| 00:03.35 | elfo | there are differences between 2007.1 and 2007.2 |
| 00:03.44 | elfo | just guessing... |
| 00:04.08 | goodwill | the problem is that it literally just look like 0.1 version of the phone |
| 00:04.15 | goodwill | even the icons are no good |
| 00:04.57 | elfo | then you probably should build another version |
| 00:05.03 | goodwill | ok |
| 00:05.04 | elfo | maybe something like "developer" version ? |
| 00:05.07 | goodwill | maybe |
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| 00:05.21 | goodwill | unfortunately I do nto have enough information |
| 00:05.39 | goodwill | I am pulling it now |
| 00:05.43 | goodwill | lets see if that helps |
| 00:05.58 | goodwill | I figured the latested official images shoudl have been more recent then what I saw |
| 00:06.06 | elfo | i'm retrying the whole stuff.. copied the Makefile and, isntead of a make setup i did a make setup-openmoko-developer |
| 00:06.17 | goodwill | did what? |
| 00:06.17 | elfo | downloading stuffs from 2007.2 "trunk" |
| 00:06.37 | goodwill | that seems pretty old |
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| 00:06.52 | elfo | it's downloading stuffs like this: trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/128x128/categories/applications-system.png |
| 00:07.20 | elfo | hopefully i set up a chroot just for openmoko stuffs, so i don't polluate my system with openmoko developer's dependencies |
| 00:07.31 | goodwill | what instructions are you following? |
| 00:08.19 | elfo | some from mokomakefile, some others from toolchain, others from using qemu with mokomakefile.... |
| 00:08.32 | elfo | not really following but collecting and trying |
| 00:09.13 | elfo | and others from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Openmoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr |
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| 00:11.01 | goodwill | whats your distro? |
| 00:11.05 | elfo | gentoo |
| 00:11.43 | goodwill | yeah me too |
| 00:12.10 | goodwill | so you are going for 686 emulation? |
| 00:12.20 | elfo | i think so |
| 00:12.37 | elfo | at first yes, building for i686 and display with xephyr |
| 00:12.53 | mjr | it's not emulation though now is it... |
| 00:13.10 | elfo | then i will try building for GTA02 and emulating with qemu-gta02 |
| 00:13.11 | goodwill | yeah |
| 00:13.16 | goodwill | bad phrasing |
| 00:13.31 | goodwill | mjr: are you wise and experience in openmoko ways? |
| 00:13.33 | CVirus | gentoo warriors |
| 00:13.35 | goodwill | experienced |
| 00:13.44 | mjr | not a lot, really |
| 00:13.51 | elfo | i will need the arm toolchain for this second step.. and it would be cool if i could compile it with my "host"'s gcc |
| 00:14.22 | elfo | (host is on "" because is really a chroot inside my real host) |
| 00:14.37 | goodwill | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 00:14.44 | goodwill | this say they got some arm toolchain images |
| 00:14.58 | elfo | goodwill: i know.. but it failed before.. so now i'm redoing make setup to see if it will work |
| 00:15.13 | elfo | yeah, but point to how to build toolchain from scratch too |
| 00:15.54 | elfo | uff... it is downloading plenty of mp3/png/wav/... i think it will be quite long |
| 00:16.08 | goodwill | yeah |
| 00:16.09 | goodwill | no good |
| 00:16.47 | goodwill | it looks like mine is doing some kind of devleoper-image compiling |
| 00:17.12 | elfo | kewl |
| 00:17.14 | goodwill | elfo: if you'd be kind enough to document what you are doing and share it, I'd be grateful |
| 00:17.30 | elfo | i try |
| 00:17.54 | elfo | for now i just setup a 32bit chroot on my system, installed dependencied pointed out by make setup |
| 00:18.02 | elfo | i start writing down those deps |
| 00:18.03 | goodwill | Runing task 26 of 6124 |
| 00:18.05 | goodwill | hahahah |
| 00:18.10 | goodwill | this should take a bit |
| 00:18.13 | elfo | will be long |
| 00:18.43 | goodwill | I got 2 2.8 cpus |
| 00:18.54 | goodwill | though I am not sure -j3 is set for this |
| 00:19.17 | goodwill | I do not even think its compiling |
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| 00:20.46 | goodwill | man I love make files |
| 00:21.26 | goodwill | mjr: have you ever run qemu emulator stuff? |
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| 00:22.53 | elfo | goodwill: then you'd love *bsd and ports :) |
| 00:23.11 | goodwill | elfo: I do live *bsd and ports |
| 00:23.14 | goodwill | :-P |
| 00:23.20 | goodwill | live=love |
| 00:23.23 | goodwill | live, love |
| 00:25.50 | goodwill | elfo: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/ |
| 00:27.10 | goodwill | yeah no way is this completing today |
| 00:27.23 | elfo | ok |
| 00:28.43 | goodwill | according to this http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/openmoko/openmoko-emulator.html |
| 00:28.57 | goodwill | official openmoko images are here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ |
| 00:29.04 | goodwill | which 404s |
| 00:37.07 | elfo | check this out: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/images/neo1973/ |
| 00:37.34 | elfo | or this: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/ |
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| 00:42.31 | goodwill | elfo: |
| 00:42.39 | goodwill | elfo: yeah, I am looking at that now |
| 00:44.55 | goodwill | elfo: not really sure what do do with this yet: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/ |
| 00:45.03 | goodwill | it seems liek that needs to be made into an image |
| 00:49.32 | elfo | it is the whole thing |
| 00:49.58 | elfo | i mean, the rootfs is the rootfs |
| 00:50.36 | elfo | you can chroot in it if it is binary compatible with your host |
| 00:50.48 | elfo | then display with Xephyr |
| 00:50.55 | goodwill | right, but I am doing an arm qemu thing remember? |
| 00:51.00 | elfo | if it is for gta01, then make it an image |
| 00:52.02 | elfo | yeah, it's ARM |
| 00:54.06 | elfo | i can't see the bootloader nor the kernel... |
| 00:54.53 | elfo | won't be better to use http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/images/neo1973/ ? |
| 00:55.07 | goodwill | thats so ancient though |
| 00:55.26 | elfo | yep |
| 00:56.28 | goodwill | I am going to try it |
| 00:56.44 | elfo | the rootfs is cool |
| 00:57.04 | elfo | i think that you can upgrade it with ipkg , without recompiling anything |
| 00:57.31 | elfo | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/ |
| 00:59.09 | goodwill | you must be way ahead of me, because I have no idea how yet |
| 00:59.18 | goodwill | once I get a running image it should be better |
| 01:01.20 | MadTBone | rwhitby: earlier today (about 12 hours ago) you alluded to the FreeRunner software not being stable enough yet for primary phone use. I realize that the project will be a continual work in progress (which is a good thing)... but which components of the software stack need serious revision? |
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| 01:01.39 | SpeedEvil | All of them? |
| 01:01.53 | goodwill | SpeedEvil: thats a bit cruel |
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| 01:02.52 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 01:02.53 | elfo | goodwill: i'm still downloading openembedded, i just have an idea of how things work (compilation, toolchains, emulation, packaging system) in general.. but never touched to openmoko |
| 01:02.57 | SpeedEvil | It's not that bad. |
| 01:03.37 | MadTBone | are we talking UI improvements, or are we talking gsmd crashing a dozzen times a day? |
| 01:03.43 | elfo | 55%) |
| 01:04.02 | goodwill | elfo: define download openembeded? are you running emerge to get all the packeges? |
| 01:04.23 | SpeedEvil | Certain images seem to function adequately. |
| 01:04.50 | SpeedEvil | It's nowhere near the level of stability that you can throw a random image on, and expect it to work flawlessly. |
| 01:04.54 | elfo | goodwill: imc@mybox (23 522 02:35:49) /usr/local/openmoko $ make setup |
| 01:05.29 | MadTBone | SpeedEvil: well, that's the case with most Linux distros in general. |
| 01:07.21 | MadTBone | SpeedEvil: about half of the kernel or library upgrades I've ever done, either manually or from a package manager, has resulted in something going awry. |
| 01:07.49 | elfo | half is quite big |
| 01:08.28 | elfo | i would say 1/15 if i'm not lucky |
| 01:08.56 | elfo | (speaking of general linux distro) |
| 01:09.01 | MadTBone | well, you've had better luck than I.... half is probably a bit of an exageration. |
| 01:09.52 | MadTBone | ....you know... for dramatic effect |
| 01:10.47 | linuxxr | slackware rocks |
| 01:10.47 | elfo | little concern with xorg 7.0 7.1 migration (because ati drivers weren't ready for /usr/lib/xorg/modules -> /usr/lib/modules migration (or vice-versa)) |
| 01:10.47 | elfo | linuxxr: :) |
| 01:10.47 | elfo | gentoo is not bad neither |
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| 01:12.53 | elfo | uff, 68% of openembedded git repository already cloned (@ ~20kb/s) |
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| 01:14.25 | goodwill | elfo: trust me thats the small part |
| 01:14.54 | elfo | goodwill: openmoko already downloaded |
| 01:15.05 | elfo | are you talking about the build? |
| 01:15.19 | goodwill | yeah |
| 01:15.43 | elfo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.51 | elfo | at least while compiling i can surf the net |
| 01:15.52 | elfo | eh eh |
| 01:16.52 | SpeedEvil | And make a quick 27 course banquet. |
| 01:17.24 | elfo | i started searching for a good portable mp3 player.. i found that archos 604 or 605 was pretty cool... but with a very locked firmware |
| 01:17.40 | elfo | surfed and surfed again.. found android from google and finally openmoko... |
| 01:17.53 | elfo | i will probably end up buying a phone instead of an mp3 player |
| 01:17.57 | elfo | :/ |
| 01:18.32 | elfo | 91% |
| 01:19.40 | elfo | isn't there an openmoko-like project for music players? :D |
| 01:20.31 | SpeedEvil | rockbox? |
| 01:20.34 | elfo | 100% |
| 01:21.52 | elfo | uh |
| 01:22.19 | elfo | thanks :) |
| 01:22.41 | elfo | goodwill: hack the makefile as in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 01:23.00 | elfo | they talk about editing Makefile if you want the ASU version (cfr. /topic) |
| 01:25.51 | elfo | oh yeah.. launched `make -j3 openmoko-qtopia-x11-image` |
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| 01:26.22 | elfo | it will end up with a "rootfs" directory? |
| 01:26.51 | elfo | (put "devshell" in INHERIT in build/conf/local.conf |
| 01:30.11 | goodwill | elfo: yeah I saw tha |
| 01:30.32 | goodwill | elfo? wait waht is it about -j3 |
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| 01:32.49 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 01:32.59 | Yanroy | rofl... ASU = august software update |
| 01:33.12 | Yanroy | anyways, quick question... |
| 01:33.32 | Yanroy | will the moko be able to copy contacts from SIM to/from internal memory? |
| 01:33.41 | Yanroy | my phone just died today :'( |
| 01:33.47 | Yanroy | and I had to get a new one, but it can't read my old SIM |
| 01:33.59 | Yanroy | and I'm hoping when I get a moko, it will be able to copy the contacts on my old SIM |
| 01:35.49 | elfo | goodwill: fork 3 times |
| 01:36.03 | elfo | goodwill: so if you have a multicore cpu, it will use more than one core at a time |
| 01:36.11 | elfo | == speed-up compiletime |
| 01:36.19 | Yanroy | btw, the reason I can't read the old SIM is because I swiched providers... since I needed a new phone anyways, I got a GSM provider in prep for freerunner's release :) |
| 01:36.23 | goodwill | elfo: I am saying you think that will work? cause I saw build/conf/site.conf |
| 01:36.33 | goodwill | and I think we ened to make modificatiosn there to use -j3 |
| 01:36.41 | elfo | oh.. ok |
| 01:37.00 | goodwill | like it has the -O flag in there in DEBUG_OPTIMIZATION |
| 01:37.26 | goodwill | make -j3 does not work |
| 01:37.31 | goodwill | I can see my by my cpu load |
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| 01:40.37 | goodwill | elfo: why did you edit local.conf |
| 01:40.48 | goodwill | elfo: whats wrong with the default |
| 01:41.11 | jOERG | Yanroy: actually mine did automatically |
| 01:41.22 | SpeedEvil | xcasex: yes - if you've got external cables. |
| 01:41.27 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 01:41.49 | goodwill | elfo: http://trac.hackndev.com/projects/general/wiki/GentooSetup |
| 01:42.18 | goodwill | elfo: accordign to that PARALLEL_MAKE = "-j3" |
| 01:42.31 | elfo | goodwill: already fixed, thanks |
| 01:42.31 | goodwill | elfo: it seem like you can do it eith local.conf or site.conf |
| 01:42.41 | elfo | i can read a 10 lines long configuratino file :) |
| 01:42.49 | goodwill | elfo: sirte.conf seems the right place |
| 01:42.54 | goodwill | elfo: :-P just trying to help |
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| 01:43.29 | elfo | anyway i changed local.conf because i want to compile against x86, and _not_ against arm/gta01 |
| 01:43.42 | elfo | anyway i do not have the hardware for that |
| 01:43.51 | Yanroy | jOERG: yours did what automatically? |
| 01:44.17 | goodwill | elfo: right for your chroot, where is I am doing qemu arm |
| 01:44.18 | jOERG | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.18 | goodwill | ok |
| 01:44.18 | elfo | so i think it's good to run it natively on my machine instead of emulation (at least as a first try) |
| 01:44.53 | elfo | goodwill: can i ask you why? |
| 01:45.36 | goodwill | elfo: because qemu has been modified to emulate NEo hardware |
| 01:45.44 | elfo | and? |
| 01:45.50 | elfo | are you planning to do some kernel hacking? |
| 01:46.02 | goodwill | no, I am planning to see how apps work with dummy data |
| 01:46.15 | goodwill | what are you planning to do? |
| 01:46.31 | elfo | see how it works, maybe developing apps |
| 01:47.41 | goodwill | do not you want hardware information for that? |
| 01:47.55 | goodwill | elfo: like phonecall coming, or gps or usb |
| 01:48.00 | goodwill | or whatever |
| 01:48.00 | elfo | probably yes |
| 01:48.38 | elfo | but one thing at a time... first see if qtopia-x11 works |
| 01:48.48 | goodwill | true, true |
| 01:48.50 | elfo | enjoy/understand it |
| 01:49.04 | goodwill | elfo: and all you wanted was an mp3 player ;) |
| 01:49.04 | elfo | then i will eventually see it inside qemu |
| 01:49.17 | elfo | goodwill: yeah... an hackable mp3 player |
| 01:49.40 | goodwill | did you see rockbox? |
| 01:51.27 | elfo | i'm looking at it |
| 01:51.39 | elfo | openmoko is QuTe :) |
| 01:52.13 | elfo | rockbox is not |
| 01:52.37 | jOERG | Yanroy: for sure you should be able to use kandy or gnockii |
| 01:52.47 | goodwill | openmoko only supports up to 8gb though...are you sure thats enough music storage for you? |
| 01:52.56 | elfo | but probably it is not so difficult to port openmoko interfaces/some apps to another linux arm system |
| 01:53.05 | elfo | goodwill: that's _the_ point |
| 01:53.10 | jOERG | goodwill: says who |
| 01:53.20 | goodwill | jOERG: wiki specs? |
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| 01:53.36 | jOERG | nah, it's TESTED for 8GB |
| 01:53.50 | jOERG | IIRC |
| 01:54.12 | elfo | in reality what's cool with openmoko is that the hardware/firmare/drivers are open, while most mp3 players runs on linux but have closed firmare/drivers |
| 01:54.43 | jOERG | elfo: yeah we do our best |
| 01:55.13 | goodwill | jOERG: are you one of the wise openmoko ones? |
| 01:55.25 | jOERG | hw-devel |
| 01:55.33 | elfo | uhm... the net freerunner will have/has slots for additional flash storage? |
| 01:55.40 | elfo | s/net/neo/ |
| 01:55.53 | elfo | oh... oh cute you are apt |
| 01:55.58 | elfo | :D |
| 01:56.03 | raster_ | pays hommage to the wise jOERG one |
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| 01:57.11 | jOERG | raster: no sarcasm please ;-) |
| 01:57.12 | elfo | so i can just put my music on a set of flash card and play with them |
| 01:57.20 | goodwill | jOERG: I think he was serious |
| 01:57.28 | elfo | sarcasm is Good(tm) |
| 01:57.31 | raster | damn nick stealers |
| 01:57.42 | raster | who on earth is so stupid to wantto steal my nick |
| 01:58.11 | mwester-laptop | ya gotta register yer nick, raster! :p |
| 01:58.12 | elfo | a person who would like for reasons x1,x2,...,xn, use that nickname |
| 01:58.25 | elfo | raster: exactly as you want to use it |
| 01:58.44 | raster | mwester-laptop: i did |
| 01:58.50 | raster | mwester-laptop: i ghosted the sucker |
| 01:58.53 | elfo | eh eh |
| 01:59.07 | elfo | that was the "so stupid" part :) |
| 01:59.57 | mwester-laptop | watches a deer walk past him through his backyard... |
| 02:00.33 | goodwill | elfo: I can feel the -j3 I think, its now gotten to 200 much faster |
| 02:00.42 | jOERG | elfo: no flash slots. SD-micro card |
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| 02:01.25 | elfo | goodwill: :) |
| 02:02.26 | goodwill | elfo: I wonder if ccaching is possible |
| 02:02.35 | raster | elfo: yes |
| 02:02.36 | goodwill | elfo: and not detrimental |
| 02:02.47 | raster | elfo: as in nickerv tells u "this nick is owned by someone" :) |
| 02:03.08 | raster | sooner or later than someone will come and kick you in the nuts :) |
| 02:03.56 | elfo | jOERG: : that means that i cannot change it without opening the device? |
| 02:04.08 | jOERG | elfo: jep |
| 02:04.15 | elfo | ok |
| 02:04.23 | jOERG | :-/ |
| 02:04.25 | elfo | and the rootfs is on that card? |
| 02:04.29 | goodwill | elfo: it can be |
| 02:04.34 | jOERG | not on FR |
| 02:04.42 | raster | elfo: on the freerunner rootfs is on the 256m of flash on-board |
| 02:04.46 | elfo | FR = ? |
| 02:04.50 | raster | the micro-sd card is just for extra storage |
| 02:04.51 | elfo | ah ok thanks |
| 02:04.51 | goodwill | freerunner |
| 02:05.00 | jOERG | unless you decide to |
| 02:05.02 | raster | i think we ship witha 512m sd card - don't we? |
| 02:05.16 | jOERG | raster: heard so |
| 02:05.21 | goodwill | raster: are you also one of the Wise ones? |
| 02:05.37 | raster | goodwill: come on. do i look wise to you? |
| 02:05.54 | SpeedEvil | raster: you did - but I'm not sure 1G won't be cheaper if you're buying in bulk. |
| 02:05.55 | raster | :) |
| 02:06.06 | goodwill | raster: you are text on the screen, you know |
| 02:06.20 | summatusmentis | goodwill: the answer is yes, he's one of the Wise ones |
| 02:06.22 | elfo | text can tell wise things |
| 02:06.23 | Sonicadvance1 | The freerunner is going to have a MicroSD card slot right? |
| 02:06.29 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 02:06.29 | goodwill | SpeedEvil: lets face it people are going to show in 8gb the second they get them |
| 02:06.30 | Sonicadvance1 | xD |
| 02:06.34 | raster | goodwill: that's my point! :) |
| 02:06.39 | SpeedEvil | goodwill: naah |
| 02:06.43 | jOERG | raster: hehe where's the URL to this nasty photo? ;-) |
| 02:06.49 | SpeedEvil | goodwill: 32G |
| 02:06.53 | raster | Sonicadvance1: yes. it's internal. u need to remove the battery and sim card to get to it |
| 02:06.55 | goodwill | SpeedEvil: :-P |
| 02:06.56 | elfo | yeah |
| 02:07.00 | Sonicadvance1 | I'm so going to port gtkpod to it and use it as the media player on it |
| 02:07.02 | elfo | 32G is good enough(tm) |
| 02:07.04 | SpeedEvil | is all cynical. |
| 02:07.05 | raster | jOERG: ahahha |
| 02:07.13 | elfo | Sonicadvance1: eh eh |
| 02:07.21 | SpeedEvil | stabs the secure digital association again. |
| 02:07.25 | elfo | Sonicadvance1: i'm here because i was looking to a cool mp3 player device |
| 02:07.44 | raster | Sonicadvance1: it'll play media - but frankly, u'll only get maybe 5-8hrs of mp3 playback (or so) |
| 02:07.55 | raster | it will NOt make a good "media player" |
| 02:08.02 | raster | its a phone. |
| 02:08.05 | raster | :/ |
| 02:08.06 | Sonicadvance1 | oh? really now? :P |
| 02:08.07 | SpeedEvil | raster: 01 gets _much_ better than that. |
| 02:08.09 | elfo | raster: then i will store music on internet and access it with sshfs :) |
| 02:08.09 | raster | (for better or worse) |
| 02:08.14 | elfo | while on wifi connections |
| 02:08.20 | mwester-laptop | Of course, you can use the USB in host mode, and connect your freerunner to a huge external disk whenever you grow tired of the 32GB of tunes on the internal card. |
| 02:08.22 | raster | SpeedEvil: i've clocked aboput 5hrs with backlight on |
| 02:08.28 | raster | backlight off might push to 8 |
| 02:08.31 | raster | but this was with an idle cpu |
| 02:08.38 | elfo | mwester-laptop: you need to power the external disk |
| 02:08.48 | raster | elfo: no - it's not the storage. it's the battery life |
| 02:09.05 | raster | no dsp or mp3 etc. chip |
| 02:09.05 | SpeedEvil | raster: backlight off, GPS and bluetooth off, cpu at 100MHz, and some stuff reduced in volts |
| 02:09.09 | raster | cpu would be used |
| 02:09.13 | elfo | raster: that does not surprise me |
| 02:09.29 | raster | SpeedEvil: dont have freq scaling currently |
| 02:09.30 | raster | :) |
| 02:09.41 | SpeedEvil | raster: I was using uboot |
| 02:09.41 | Sonicadvance1 | seems I sparked a discussion |
| 02:09.47 | raster | for freerunner |
| 02:09.51 | SpeedEvil | raster: ah |
| 02:09.58 | raster | so u'll be at 400mhz |
| 02:10.02 | raster | and as i said |
| 02:10.06 | SpeedEvil | Someone earlier was claiming 12 hours idle |
| 02:10.07 | raster | i've seen about 5hrs with bl on |
| 02:10.12 | raster | everythingelse on |
| 02:10.13 | elfo | 5h for a phone is not much |
| 02:10.15 | raster | but otherwise totally idle |
| 02:10.15 | SpeedEvil | with FR |
| 02:10.25 | raster | so i'm guessing 5-8hrs with bl offbut playing music |
| 02:10.31 | raster | as a hpoen u likely wouldnt go turn gsm off |
| 02:10.40 | raster | so u might save turnign bt and wifi off |
| 02:10.44 | SpeedEvil | 01 gets quite a lot better than that. |
| 02:10.50 | raster | but u will be using power decoding mp3 |
| 02:11.01 | SpeedEvil | Yes - 100MHz or so. |
| 02:11.05 | Sonicadvance1 | use raw audio xD |
| 02:11.11 | raster | u may ende up getting more |
| 02:11.18 | raster | in future we may do freq scaling |
| 02:11.23 | raster | in future software updates |
| 02:11.36 | raster | just want to be realistic about the fr |
| 02:11.36 | jOERG | mickey sais he tested one? IIRC |
| 02:11.43 | SpeedEvil | on a 400MHz CPU, clocked down. |
| 02:12.12 | raster | elfo: thats because phones spend 99% of their time "asleep" |
| 02:12.20 | raster | elfo: if u are playing your music.. it doesnt go to sleep |
| 02:12.27 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf364fdd76d1e 10/packages/ipkg-utils/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ipkg-utils: fix ipk (ar) file processing to handle odd-length data blocks. |
| 02:12.28 | raster | UNLESs u have dedicated decoding hw (eg a dsp etc.) |
| 02:12.38 | elfo | uff.... annoying... i'm thinking about mounting /usr/portage/distfiles to /usr/local/openmoko/sources ... most of the sources are already in portage's distfiles :p |
| 02:13.06 | elfo | raster: understood |
| 02:13.12 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r76acb508bd70 10/packages/ipkg-utils/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ipkg-utils: fix ipk (ar) file processing to handle odd-length data blocks. |
| 02:13.37 | raster | elfo: so remember i'm saynig 5-8 assuming u are decoding music all the time |
| 02:13.44 | raster | tat means cpu stays at 400mhz |
| 02:13.52 | raster | everything is likely up as u are using it as your phone |
| 02:14.03 | raster | but backlight has gone off as u are just listening to music |
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| 02:14.37 | jOERG | raster: weather in taipei? here we have 27° *now* |
| 02:14.46 | raster | in the end - if u want to have a music player - keep using your existing mp3 player for now. :) |
| 02:14.55 | raster | jOERG: no idea. sunny and warm. |
| 02:15.12 | goodwill | are there stats on battery life now? |
| 02:15.32 | jOERG | raster: no idea? where are you right now? |
| 02:15.33 | raster | scroill back |
| 02:15.36 | SpeedEvil | wishes the DAC was connected to the glamo, and the glamo supported scatter-gather from the SD to play mp3/video. |
| 02:15.42 | raster | 5-8hr or so with everything on |
| 02:15.48 | SpeedEvil | Now that would be worthwhile. |
| 02:15.51 | raster | no suspend or power saving efforts |
| 02:15.57 | raster | jOERG: taipei |
| 02:15.58 | raster | :) |
| 02:16.02 | SpeedEvil | Well - almost worthwhile. |
| 02:16.07 | raster | jOERG: i have no idea what the temprature is |
| 02:16.14 | elfo | raster: that's good... my longest common train trip is about 5:40 hours |
| 02:16.15 | jOERG | ahh AC ;-) |
| 02:16.15 | raster | i dont go reading the weather report every morning |
| 02:16.16 | raster | :) |
| 02:16.16 | elfo | :D |
| 02:16.24 | raster | i just go outswide and go "hmmm.. warm" |
| 02:16.32 | raster | and otherwise waft about inside with AC |
| 02:16.32 | raster | :) |
| 02:16.35 | SpeedEvil | raster: I don't suppose you happen to recall how much power the glamo uses? |
| 02:16.55 | raster | SpeedEvil: nfi |
| 02:16.59 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 02:17.42 | raster | all in all it'd be hard to use the glamo for this unless u could run code ON the glamo |
| 02:17.47 | SpeedEvil | Also - with the screen off, you lose the need to refresh it - which has got to save a little on glamo power. |
| 02:17.50 | raster | so it'd understand fs structures |
| 02:17.52 | SpeedEvil | It saves a lot more on GTA01 |
| 02:17.58 | raster | otherwise u need to use the cpu to feed data to it |
| 02:17.59 | goodwill | hehehe bitbake is portage based |
| 02:18.01 | SpeedEvil | raster: scatter-gather lsit'd work |
| 02:18.07 | raster | and that means u need to wake u from suspend regularly to do it |
| 02:18.21 | SpeedEvil | raster: you just tell it to play a list of blocks - a whole song or video. |
| 02:18.22 | raster | not sure thats really viabl for full suspend |
| 02:18.32 | raster | with zero-clock it may be |
| 02:18.49 | SpeedEvil | raster: It sounds unlikely in the present design. |
| 02:19.00 | SpeedEvil | raster: if only as the sound thingy is on the SoC. |
| 02:19.06 | SpeedEvil | raster: so you can't go into deep sleep. |
| 02:19.07 | raster | yeah |
| 02:19.12 | raster | that alone is a stopper |
| 02:19.20 | raster | i was thinking "in theory" |
| 02:19.47 | raster | imho the fr is a phone |
| 02:19.51 | SpeedEvil | Though I have wondered about the mp3 decoder unit as a hardware assist unit. |
| 02:19.56 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.58 | raster | but its OPEN |
| 02:20.03 | SpeedEvil | If it can write to RAM. |
| 02:20.03 | raster | dont expect it to do wonders |
| 02:20.12 | raster | dont think it will replace your video plauyer |
| 02:20.14 | raster | or mp3 player |
| 02:20.15 | SpeedEvil | I WANT MY WONDERS! |
| 02:20.19 | elfo | eh eh |
| 02:20.20 | raster | or psp |
| 02:20.26 | raster | or naviagtion unit |
| 02:20.27 | raster | etc. |
| 02:20.39 | raster | its flexible because its open |
| 02:21.34 | raster | but its not an 'amazingly powerful" piece of hardware |
| 02:21.35 | elfo | making it a success story could maybe bring us open portable media players :) |
| 02:21.47 | elfo | in the future, i mean |
| 02:21.51 | raster | maybe |
| 02:21.55 | raster | in that case buy it |
| 02:21.57 | raster | buy 10 |
| 02:21.58 | raster | :) |
| 02:22.02 | elfo | buy 1 |
| 02:22.04 | SpeedEvil | raster: I forget - does the 6440 have any media decoding features? |
| 02:22.08 | elfo | and tell friends |
| 02:22.11 | raster | in the end sucess is defined as unit sales |
| 02:22.16 | SpeedEvil | 6410? |
| 02:22.20 | SpeedEvil | forgets the number. |
| 02:22.25 | raster | SpeedEvil: yes. it can handle some video (and audio) codecs |
| 02:22.32 | SpeedEvil | needs to make a fake company website. |
| 02:22.34 | raster | SpeedEvil: i forget the exact details |
| 02:22.37 | SpeedEvil | To get a datasheet for that. |
| 02:22.37 | elfo | of course |
| 02:22.48 | SpeedEvil | (or dcc...) |
| 02:22.55 | SpeedEvil | is the subtlest hinter! |
| 02:23.01 | raster | SpeedEvil: as gta04 has been shelved and is on hold - 6400 is just an amusement for now. i dont mind it as an soc. |
| 02:23.09 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 02:23.21 | raster | SpeedEvil: gta03 is all we are focusing on now, so who knows. |
| 02:23.52 | SpeedEvil | On a sort-of-related topic. |
| 02:23.58 | SpeedEvil | Does anything in linux suppoort the bluetooth camera protocol. |
| 02:24.01 | summatusmentis | focusing? what's changing? |
| 02:24.05 | SpeedEvil | I forget what layer it is. |
| 02:24.12 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: no glamo, camera, new case |
| 02:24.23 | summatusmentis | there is a camera, cool |
| 02:24.34 | raster | thats the plan |
| 02:24.35 | summatusmentis | OM should work on gsm roll-out in the US also :) |
| 02:24.44 | raster | if u read the kernel list u'll see whats going on |
| 02:25.06 | raster | summatusmentis: give us a few billion $ and we can try |
| 02:25.40 | summatusmentis | lol, or just move me out of the boonies :) |
| 02:25.44 | SpeedEvil | raster: for that money, I'd want it to be able to land on mars. |
| 02:25.52 | elfo | ghgh |
| 02:26.02 | elfo | easier that being in US |
| 02:26.16 | elfo | patents/copyright/export laws... |
| 02:26.21 | raster | SpeedEvil: a "gsm rollout" aint cheap |
| 02:26.29 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 02:26.37 | raster | if u want a rollout" as opposed to just using at&t's network for example |
| 02:26.39 | summatusmentis | it's mostly rolled out, just git the boonie areas |
| 02:26.50 | summatusmentis | get* |
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| 02:27.09 | SpeedEvil | I did some numbers for working wifi nodes on the ground with an antenna on LEO sats. |
| 02:27.20 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, they aren't really good. |
| 02:27.25 | raster | summatusmentis: here's an idea. leave the boonies. |
| 02:27.26 | raster | :) |
| 02:27.39 | summatusmentis | raster: I like the school I go to thouhg... |
| 02:27.40 | raster | SpeedEvil: i know. wifi is a pipe dream |
| 02:27.43 | summatusmentis | thought* |
| 02:27.53 | raster | though |
| 02:27.55 | raster | no t |
| 02:27.55 | SpeedEvil | ~100m dish. Gets lots better if you put a dish on each side. |
| 02:27.56 | raster | :) |
| 02:27.58 | summatusmentis | yes, that one :) |
| 02:28.09 | goodwill | hahaha |
| 02:28.46 | SpeedEvil | goes back to designing own phone. |
| 02:28.48 | jOERG | wha candle going down, daybreak outside is still dark, dont see my keyboard anymore |
| 02:28.51 | jOERG | n8 |
| 02:28.58 | summatusmentis | 'night |
| 02:29.02 | SpeedEvil | josch: wave. |
| 02:29.11 | SpeedEvil | joe: |
| 02:29.12 | Yanroy | is there any word on what kind of bluetooth headsets work with the freerunner? |
| 02:29.13 | goodwill | why is there a openmoko-qtopia and openmoko-qtopia-x11 images? is the first one framebuffer? |
| 02:29.29 | Yanroy | in particular, I noticed my new phone has "stereo" bluetooth... I had no idea such a thing existed |
| 02:29.46 | summatusmentis | raster: you could make OM do a cdma model... :) |
| 02:29.55 | SpeedEvil | A2Dp prolly |
| 02:29.55 | Yanroy | also, I've heard some rumors about BT headsets coming with the moko (at least the 10 packs)... any truth to that? |
| 02:30.11 | raster | summatusmentis: you're nuts. cdma is dying. |
| 02:30.15 | SpeedEvil | BT headsets have crashed in price over the last bit. |
| 02:30.36 | SpeedEvil | But still - wired ones are lots cheaper. |
| 02:30.56 | Yanroy | well, as long as it's under $100, I think it'd be a good investment |
| 02:31.05 | Yanroy | but I'd like to get one that works with the moko |
| 02:31.09 | raster | summatusmentis: only a few countries still actively use/develop cdma networks. mot are decomissioning them or just keep them up for legacy |
| 02:31.11 | Yanroy | I've never had bluetooth in a phone before :P |
| 02:31.12 | raster | *IF* they have any at all |
| 02:31.20 | summatusmentis | raster: except in the US, where VZW is alive and well, and screwing customers contsantly :) |
| 02:31.32 | Yanroy | summatusmentis: actually, they're beginnign to do GSM soon |
| 02:31.33 | raster | gsm(utms/hsdpa etc.) is what the world is (going to) |
| 02:31.47 | elfo | summatusmentis: emigration is not an option for you? |
| 02:31.53 | raster | summatusmentis: yeah. but the us s a small market. Om has to cater to the whole world to survivfe as a business |
| 02:31.55 | summatusmentis | Yanroy: LTE, not quite |
| 02:32.03 | raster | an "open pohne is a niche enough market as-is |
| 02:32.03 | SpeedEvil | Where are you rue_:? |
| 02:32.04 | summatusmentis | elfo: I'm a poor college student |
| 02:32.05 | SpeedEvil | oosp |
| 02:32.18 | summatusmentis | raster: no, I know... wishful thingking |
| 02:32.28 | summatusmentis | thinking* |
| 02:32.37 | raster | the usa just needs to get with the programme :) |
| 02:32.57 | elfo | summatusmentis: try to get in a university a find fundings to go study in europe :) |
| 02:33.01 | goodwill | raster: no kidding |
| 02:33.06 | elfo | a -> and |
| 02:33.26 | elfo | summatusmentis: you could eventually move to mexico ghghgh |
| 02:33.33 | summatusmentis | elfo: I might study abroad for a while, probably can't afford to stay |
| 02:33.45 | summatusmentis | lol, I do speak spanish |
| 02:33.52 | elfo | summatusmentis: why not? if you find some work there... |
| 02:35.02 | BryceLeo | forgive me but does utms not use cmda as the underlying transport? |
| 02:35.06 | summatusmentis | well, I suppose... |
| 02:35.16 | elfo | i hope not BryceLeo |
| 02:35.17 | summatusmentis | I think UMTS is like.. WCDMA or something |
| 02:35.19 | raster | BryceLeo: correct |
| 02:35.30 | raster | iumts is tdm from memory |
| 02:35.33 | elfo | does it? |
| 02:35.36 | elfo | ok |
| 02:35.44 | webjames | what's with the motorcycle boots on startup? |
| 02:35.52 | BryceLeo | i thought so, so is it not that for 4g cdma will be the up and up popular |
| 02:35.56 | BryceLeo | putting the world back in sync? |
| 02:36.19 | BryceLeo | or am i looking at this to narrowly? |
| 02:36.30 | BryceLeo | 4=3 |
| 02:36.33 | summatusmentis | webjames: it's a play on 'boot' |
| 02:36.37 | raster | maybe that was gprs/gsm that was tdma |
| 02:36.37 | summatusmentis | I think |
| 02:36.47 | BryceLeo | hmmm |
| 02:36.57 | webjames | summatusmentis, i see. thank you |
| 02:37.04 | SpeedEvil | GSM is TDMA |
| 02:37.21 | summatusmentis | umts is considered 4g? |
| 02:37.40 | raster | no |
| 02:37.42 | BryceLeo | utms is 3g i thought, i missed the key |
| 02:37.45 | raster | umts is just 3g |
| 02:37.51 | summatusmentis | right, ok |
| 02:37.52 | raster | beyond umts is hsdpa/hsupa |
| 02:37.55 | raster | thats .5g |
| 02:38.01 | raster | there is no actualy 4g as best i know |
| 02:38.04 | raster | err |
| 02:38.05 | raster | 3.5g |
| 02:38.07 | raster | no 4g |
| 02:38.11 | elfo | FDMA/TDMA for being precise |
| 02:38.12 | summatusmentis | the US is planning on going LTE for 4g, iirc |
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| 02:38.19 | elfo | (GDM) |
| 02:38.21 | elfo | GSM |
| 02:38.42 | elfo | as there are antennas everywhere, a frequency division must be in place |
| 02:38.48 | SpeedEvil | GSM isn't FDMA really. |
| 02:38.51 | BryceLeo | i thought 4g was wimax/lte battle? |
| 02:38.55 | SpeedEvil | It sticks on one frequency. |
| 02:38.59 | elfo | yeah |
| 02:39.01 | SpeedEvil | (per channel) |
| 02:39.10 | raster | as such the best u currently get is hs(du)pa |
| 02:39.13 | summatusmentis | BryceLeo: well... we'll see how wimax goes |
| 02:39.26 | elfo | the gsm network use fdma |
| 02:39.27 | raster | which is up to 7mit or so |
| 02:39.31 | raster | 9assuming ideal conditions) |
| 02:39.34 | summatusmentis | BryceLeo: Sprint is having a hard time now(the primary wimax company) |
| 02:39.45 | BryceLeo | summatusmentis: fair enough, i'm quite curious for the lte vs wimax battle |
| 02:39.54 | BryceLeo | it depends on where verizon and at&t end up |
| 02:39.54 | elfo | the communication from a station to an antenna use a single channel, yes |
| 02:40.04 | summatusmentis | I would be, excpe they never roll anything out beyond major urban areas |
| 02:40.27 | summatusmentis | BryceLeo: where they end up? what do you mean? |
| 02:40.33 | BryceLeo | yes |
| 02:40.50 | BryceLeo | i'm curious to read the specs and see the technical merits of each |
| 02:41.01 | BryceLeo | though i'd much rather shoot the breeze with you guys |
| 02:41.34 | summatusmentis | I hope never to need to give my business to AT&T or VZW |
| 02:42.14 | raster | ooh |
| 02:42.22 | raster | hsdpa theoraticaly is up to 14.4mbit |
| 02:42.27 | raster | thought it was 7 |
| 02:42.34 | raster | tho thats just the currently fastest deployed network |
| 02:42.53 | raster | not sure wimax is every going to be of much interest/use |
| 02:43.16 | raster | hspa+ is 42bmit down, 22mbit up |
| 02:43.30 | raster | and frankly is more likely to see service providers adopt it |
| 02:43.49 | raster | as they can just incrimentally add it on top of their existing networks |
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| 02:44.00 | raster | but who knows |
| 02:44.11 | summatusmentis | aren't both LTE and wimax IP based technologies? |
| 02:44.12 | BryceLeo | summatusmentis: who do you do business with? |
| 02:44.36 | summatusmentis | BryceLeo: I'm currently on US Cellular(cdma), but considering switching to a Sprint SERO plan |
| 02:45.19 | BryceLeo | summatusmentis: ahh ok |
| 02:45.46 | elfo | thank you SpeedEvil for speaking about cdma/tdma etc.... you reminded me i must study for my exam on 24th (mobile networks eheheh) |
| 02:47.28 | summatusmentis | BryceLeo: yeah, cdma get's the best coverage where I need it, or I'd be going the FreeRunner route |
| 02:48.46 | BryceLeo | yeah i get the best with cdma as well, though i may switch to att and suffer just to get the freerunner |
| 02:50.40 | summatusmentis | I've considered it |
| 02:50.56 | summatusmentis | but I'd want data, and if voice coverage is that shoddy, no way data would work |
| 02:51.51 | BryceLeo | i'm content with jsut voice |
| 02:52.06 | Yanroy | summatusmentis: often data works better than voice |
| 02:52.16 | BryceLeo | i like being able to hack on my phone, manage servers etc |
| 02:52.22 | BryceLeo | wifi handles that |
| 02:52.27 | BryceLeo | ssh handles most of the security needs |
| 02:52.37 | summatusmentis | if you live in an area where wifi is readily available |
| 02:52.39 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 02:52.47 | BryceLeo | haha, well fair enough on that |
| 02:52.55 | summatusmentis | Yanroy: really? |
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| 03:21.28 | elfo | "devirginator", how poetic.... |
| 03:25.03 | goodwill | elfo: poetic is not quite the word I was thinking about |
| 03:25.27 | goodwill | elfo: how is goign for you? |
| 03:25.56 | goodwill | elfo: so as far as I figure I am building all the packages with make openmoko-devel-image |
| 03:27.01 | goodwill | elfo: I am starting to understand the setup a bit better |
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| 03:59.36 | elfo | 650/3400 |
| 03:59.40 | elfo | building glib |
| 04:00.30 | elfo | though i think my -j3 is not working very well here.... |
| 04:00.44 | elfo | pretty sure is not forking at all |
| 04:02.34 | elfo | compiling ncurses :) |
| 04:02.51 | elfo | i wonder what depends on ncurses on openmoko.... |
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| 04:03.19 | zash | ncurses! |
| 04:03.29 | elfo | yes ncurses |
| 04:03.39 | zash | imagine a full phone-ui based on ncurses :D |
| 04:04.07 | elfo | how cool :) |
| 04:04.18 | elfo | centericq && bitlbeed |
| 04:04.33 | elfo | (bitlbeed with irssi of course) |
| 04:04.37 | elfo | and rtorrent |
| 04:04.43 | elfo | ghgh |
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| 04:05.49 | elfo | screen -x within ssh is cool too |
| 04:06.51 | elfo | little stupid question.... does skype run on openmoko/qtopia ? |
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| 04:07.39 | elfo | compiling gnutls... ogg... how exciting! |
| 04:07.50 | elfo | e17 libs!!!! |
| 04:09.05 | zash | elfo: afaik, no skype unless they port it themselfes |
| 04:09.12 | elfo | ok |
| 04:09.35 | elfo | some other opensource voip soft is cool too |
| 04:09.49 | elfo | i just need to set up an asterisk bot at home... even better |
| 04:09.57 | elfo | s/bot/box/ |
| 04:10.28 | elfo | looking forward to it.... |
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| 04:31.35 | josch | SpeedEvil, wohaaa |
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| 04:32.06 | josch | it's half past six in the morning here! and you waved me half past four!! |
| 04:32.54 | josch | SpeedEvil, whats up? |
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| 04:35.50 | elfo | CEST for me too josch |
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| 04:36.46 | elfo | yawn |
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| 05:02.18 | elfo | ok i think i go for rockbox :) |
| 05:02.48 | elfo | (but still interested in FR, in emulation until i will become rich enough to buy one) |
| 05:06.25 | Sonicadvance1 | isn't rockbox software for iPods and some other music players? |
| 05:06.38 | zash | Sonicadvance1: yes |
| 05:07.08 | zash | .org |
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| 05:10.10 | elfo | iAudio X5 seems just fit for me :) |
| 05:10.59 | elfo | moreover rockbox has rockboy, based on gnuboy :) |
| 05:11.06 | elfo | that's the killer app |
| 05:11.09 | elfo | ghghgh |
| 05:11.30 | elfo | uh... mokomakefile building the kernel :D |
| 05:11.38 | elfo | 1/3 of build |
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| 06:38.36 | goodwill | elfo: so what I do not understand is why it needs to compile everything before burning an image, I would have figured there was a minimum |
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| 06:47.55 | methril | morning |
| 06:49.20 | FnuggleMaster | Neat how April Software Update could get switched to be August software update |
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| 07:01.28 | goodwill | everyone is a critic |
| 07:03.33 | Sonicadvance | I'm not |
| 07:03.35 | Sonicadvance | I'm a rapist |
| 07:03.46 | Sonicadvance | oh wait, that's not right |
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| 07:05.06 | doc|home | it's not right, but i'd bet it's still true |
| 07:06.50 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:10.52 | methril | good morning |
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| 07:21.12 | andrenarchy | mornin |
| 07:26.29 | goodwill | how do I extract file out of .ipk ? |
| 07:26.40 | goodwill | ar? |
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| 07:46.15 | goodwill | does openmoko use scratchbox for cross compilation? |
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| 08:05.38 | goodwill | elfo: PARALLEL_MAKE = "-j 4" BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "4" |
| 08:05.54 | goodwill | elfo: of course setting it to your values |
| 08:06.00 | goodwill | in local.conf |
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| 08:09.55 | vds | hi all |
| 08:10.44 | vds | I'm a very newby to openmoko, I'd like to understand if freerunner is able to sync contacts and calendar with evolution |
| 08:11.04 | vds | I've googled around but I didn't really get an answer |
| 08:11.07 | Tuju | vds for that it would probably need the opensync |
| 08:11.19 | Tuju | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:12.47 | goodwill | Tuju: is that a guess? |
| 08:13.21 | Tuju | yes, i don't know does openmoko have any kind of sync API/code yet. |
| 08:13.22 | vds | is evolution-data-server still parto of the openmoko platform? |
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| 08:14.58 | goodwill | vds: I do not see it in packages...but I doubt evolution would look decent on that screen |
| 08:15.05 | goodwill | vds: not to mention its a hog |
| 08:15.27 | goodwill | vds: opensync is probably your best bet...this is something I going to definately check when I get mine |
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| 08:16.41 | goodwill | what exactly is -j 4 ? are there 3 cpu computers |
| 08:16.48 | goodwill | do nto they usually come in pairs? |
| 08:17.31 | vds | Tuju goodwill thaks |
| 08:17.37 | vds | thanks |
| 08:18.07 | goodwill | vds: an alternate route is to have your local puter export an iCal of exchange stuff and you sync with that |
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| 08:18.21 | goodwill | vds: I am also goign to try that |
| 08:18.38 | goodwill | you do ical export with evolution easily |
| 08:18.56 | goodwill | flipping exchange |
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| 08:20.23 | vds | goodwill: I'm just worried about that the fields of of the two apps will be difficult to match as you may know ical (like most of the other formats) are so weak in their specs that sync is always a mess |
| 08:20.55 | goodwill | vds: maybe, have you ever tried it? |
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| 08:21.26 | goodwill | vds: like google calendar uses iCal right...it seems pretty good now |
| 08:21.30 | vds | goodwill: not with openmoko |
| 08:21.51 | goodwill | vds: have you tried it on just a regular linux boxen? |
| 08:22.07 | vds | goodwill: with other device, mostly nokia |
| 08:22.23 | vds | ti is always a mess even between nokia and nokia... |
| 08:22.34 | vds | like different version of communicator |
| 08:22.39 | goodwill | *sigh* |
| 08:23.32 | vds | unfortunately ical (like vcal, vcalendar, vnotes etc) defines sintax not semantic |
| 08:24.46 | goodwill | I got to try exporting from evolution and like importing it into lightning or something |
| 08:24.52 | goodwill | see how that works |
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| 08:25.24 | vds | goodwill: please keep us informed! :) |
| 08:26.18 | goodwill | another way to go is to shun exchange users ;) |
| 08:26.29 | goodwill | lets face, who needs friends like that |
| 08:26.44 | goodwill | s/face/face it/ |
| 08:26.45 | goodwill | s/face/face it |
| 08:27.04 | goodwill | thank you apt_ |
| 08:27.09 | goodwill | ;) |
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| 08:36.21 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03tick * r4495 10/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/setneo: remove the known_hosts forcely |
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| 08:54.12 | methril | why in the openmoko dist is inherited the rm_work task? |
| 08:54.18 | methril | it's to clear all the sources? |
| 08:54.32 | mjr | was there support for feeding assistance data into the freerunner gps chip btw? |
| 08:55.06 | Sup3rkiddo | methril, isnt that to clear the object files left around after compiling |
| 08:55.10 | Sup3rkiddo | saves a lot of space |
| 08:55.38 | methril | but yo didn't need that if you are modifying source isnt' it? |
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| 08:56.19 | Sup3rkiddo | it doesnt remove the downloaded sources in sources/ if thats what you meant. |
| 08:57.20 | methril | it removes the temporary compiled sources? |
| 08:57.25 | zedstar_ | mjr there seems to be some code about for talking to some assistance server |
| 08:57.55 | goodwill | ok at this point I have gathered up knowledge to say that the http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily |
| 08:58.01 | Sup3rkiddo | meshuga, yes, compiled build files |
| 08:58.10 | goodwill | is compiled with only a few things |
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| 08:58.28 | goodwill | which leaves me with a question of what packages to I install to make it half way usuable |
| 08:58.43 | goodwill | so it looks like a freerunner |
| 08:58.48 | goodwill | and how do I do that |
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| 09:00.09 | goodwill | there does not seem to be a snapshot since 2007.11 |
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| 09:00.24 | goodwill | so I assume to get the latest I have to pull dev repos and compile and use it |
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| 09:01.08 | goodwill | which brings me to a question of: what the difference between openmoko-devel-image and openmoko-qtopia-x11-image |
| 09:04.53 | mbuf | goodwill, qtopia uses Qt; openmoko-devel-image uses GTK+ |
| 09:05.17 | goodwill | mbuf: so they are completely different interfaces? |
| 09:05.37 | goodwill | mbuf: is one now the official one, and the other is not |
| 09:05.46 | mbuf | goodwill, look and feel; Qt is C++ based; GTK+ is C based |
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| 09:06.08 | goodwill | mbuf: yeah, I know what QT and gtk are :) |
| 09:06.22 | mbuf | goodwill, i can't answer about the official one; just use whatever you like |
| 09:06.35 | goodwill | mbuf: I am just trying to understand how they all fit in with open moko |
| 09:06.43 | goodwill | which is being developed actively and what not |
| 09:06.53 | mbuf | goodwill, i suggest you browse the archives of the ML; there was a heavy discussion on that |
| 09:06.59 | mbuf | goodwill, both are AFAIK |
| 09:07.04 | methril | openmoko-atopia-x11-image is part of the ASU |
| 09:07.10 | methril | IIRC |
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| 09:08.03 | goodwill | hmm |
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| 09:09.55 | goodwill | *sigh* |
| 09:11.37 | CVirus | 11 days left |
| 09:12.01 | goodwill | eh? |
| 09:12.02 | CVirus | and we'll buy that broken phone |
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| 09:12.20 | goodwill | CVirus: thats the spirit |
| 09:12.26 | CVirus | :-D |
| 09:12.48 | goodwill | CVirus: we still have not gotten enough people for the 10 pak :-/ |
| 09:12.56 | mjr | oh yes we will |
| 09:13.03 | CVirus | goodwill: where do you live ? |
| 09:13.09 | goodwill | Los Angeles |
| 09:13.17 | goodwill | need 2 more |
| 09:13.47 | goodwill | hell even San Diego got enough people...stupid Angelinos |
| 09:13.56 | Sup3rkiddo | flaunts his Freerunner which he received two hours ago :D |
| 09:14.02 | Sup3rkiddo | muhahah |
| 09:14.15 | goodwill | Sup3rkiddo: do not make install windows on it |
| 09:14.20 | goodwill | Sup3rkiddo: do not make me install windows on it |
| 09:14.25 | mjr | whacks Sup3rkiddo with his Neo1973 Advanced kit case |
| 09:14.32 | Sup3rkiddo | oh noes |
| 09:14.38 | CVirus | well ... I think I have enough people here in Egypt but the point is that we'll pay hell alot for the customs and shipping and after all .. they might impound the devices at the airport owing to the illegability of GPS in this stupid country |
| 09:14.45 | CVirus | Sup3rkiddo: why did they give you one ? |
| 09:14.59 | Sup3rkiddo | CVirus, all SoC students receive one :D |
| 09:15.04 | CVirus | lucky asses |
| 09:15.10 | goodwill | Sup3rkiddo: I hate you |
| 09:15.12 | CVirus | for free ? |
| 09:15.37 | goodwill | Sup3rkiddo: where you at? |
| 09:15.40 | Sup3rkiddo | CVirus, i think so, |
| 09:15.49 | Sup3rkiddo | goodwill, Chennai, India |
| 09:16.05 | Sup3rkiddo | .and oh yeah, am flashing it with the latest images |
| 09:16.09 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 09:16.36 | CVirus | ASU ? |
| 09:16.53 | goodwill | I am still suffering trying to get something decent under Qemu |
| 09:17.16 | Sup3rkiddo | CVirus, not ASU, flashing the regular image, later on fso images since thats where I am working on |
| 09:17.28 | goodwill | Sup3rkiddo: what are you flashing? |
| 09:17.39 | CVirus | I wonder why not ASU ? |
| 09:17.47 | goodwill | Sup3rkiddo: cause I put the daily ones under qemu and its just basic stuff |
| 09:17.51 | goodwill | I am a total n00b |
| 09:17.55 | Sup3rkiddo | CVirus, i had the images ready |
| 09:17.59 | Sup3rkiddo | built i mean |
| 09:18.06 | CVirus | ah |
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| 09:18.15 | Sup3rkiddo | so i couldn't wait |
| 09:18.19 | Sup3rkiddo | just flash the damn thing |
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| 09:24.25 | methril | don't break it Sup3rkiddo ;) |
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| 09:39.25 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * re2a3d42a750f 10/classes/image.bbclass: [image.bbclass] make sure image directory is created before image |
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| 09:42.02 | zlfita | Sup3rkiddo: how did you get the freerunner(sorry, just came online) |
| 09:42.12 | CVirus | GSoC |
| 09:42.48 | swc|666 | so here's a question... I've joined a local group to get a freerunner, how does that work generally to make the purchase? |
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| 09:43.21 | CVirus | they take 369$ from you and give you a broken phone |
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| 09:43.32 | swc|666 | :p |
| 09:43.46 | zlfita | we still debate whether one guy will order ten packs himself or is it better to find an importer |
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| 09:44.49 | swc|666 | yes, it seems like some organization is needed amoungst the groups obviously |
| 09:45.05 | swc|666 | i'm still confused ho the purchase is made though... |
| 09:45.13 | swc|666 | h/ho/how |
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| 09:47.38 | goodwill | swc|666: where are you? |
| 09:47.45 | swc|666 | seattle |
| 09:48.23 | goodwill | hmmm, nowhere near me |
| 09:48.31 | swc|666 | goodwill: where are you? |
| 09:48.34 | goodwill | LA |
| 09:48.45 | goodwill | the city |
| 09:48.46 | swc|666 | louisiana or los angeles? |
| 09:48.49 | swc|666 | ahh..lol |
| 09:49.05 | swc|666 | i used to live in culver city... |
| 09:49.08 | goodwill | we got a local tester ordering it |
| 09:49.14 | swc|666 | nice |
| 09:49.17 | goodwill | but I am bnot sure how it will go |
| 09:49.21 | goodwill | we still need 2 people |
| 09:49.32 | zlfita | i see 8 people from LA in the list on wiki |
| 09:49.37 | swc|666 | where does the order go through... the openmoko site? |
| 09:50.15 | CVirus | Aren't there like free jabber servers I can connect to instead of setting up my own ? |
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| 09:50.53 | goodwill | swc|666: no idea |
| 09:51.10 | swc|666 | and i'm wondering about import taxes and all that |
| 09:51.23 | swc|666 | i've found little info on the subject |
| 09:51.36 | goodwill | swc|666: what still bothers me about direct.openmoko.com is that their ssl cert is self generated |
| 09:51.51 | swc|666 | goodwill: i noticed that as well |
| 09:51.53 | goodwill | that does encourage confidence in random people |
| 09:52.00 | goodwill | s/does/does not |
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| 09:52.11 | swc|666 | right |
| 09:52.27 | swc|666 | just wants he freerunner.. yesterday |
| 09:52.34 | goodwill | true, true |
| 09:54.39 | swc|666 | another thing that bugs me is that i've emailed openmoko twice and have had no response |
| 09:54.53 | goodwill | what did you ask them? |
| 09:55.21 | swc|666 | about the payment process... estimated taxes, etc |
| 09:56.32 | XorA | swc|666: you will get phones shipped to you from inside the USA |
| 09:56.39 | goodwill | its also not clear to me if they will ship a debug board along site the 10 pack |
| 09:56.43 | goodwill | cause I want one |
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| 09:57.07 | swc|666 | XorA: really? |
| 09:57.10 | goodwill | XorA: is a certain amount being delivered to US for distribution? |
| 09:57.24 | XorA | AFAIK we have a US distribution hub |
| 09:57.25 | swc|666 | is there a distributor or something handling U.S. purchases? |
| 09:57.30 | swc|666 | nice |
| 09:57.39 | goodwill | XorA: are you one of the openmoko Wise ones? |
| 09:57.48 | XorA | goodwill: I work for them, but Im not so wise |
| 09:57.55 | XorA | goodwill: I also have nothing to do with sales |
| 09:58.02 | goodwill | XorA: hardware? software? |
| 09:58.05 | swc|666 | lolz |
| 09:58.09 | XorA | goodwill: software, OE |
| 09:58.18 | goodwill | ooohhh |
| 09:58.38 | goodwill | XorA: mind answering a couple of questions/ |
| 09:58.39 | goodwill | ? |
| 09:58.45 | swc|666 | it would be nice to be able to have some kin of information so that the groups will have a plan when the time comes |
| 09:58.52 | swc|666 | k/kin/kind |
| 09:59.06 | goodwill | XorA: I've been trying to run qemu with an image |
| 09:59.12 | goodwill | I am a total n00b here |
| 09:59.17 | goodwill | I got the daily image to run |
| 09:59.17 | XorA | swc|666: send an email to community, its the list read by the guys in charge of shipping |
| 09:59.28 | XorA | goodwill: qemu I know nothing about |
| 09:59.29 | goodwill | but it seems to be rather limited |
| 09:59.34 | swc|666 | XorA: thank you.. i will do that |
| 09:59.38 | goodwill | do I then install packages? |
| 09:59.42 | goodwill | how does this work |
| 09:59.43 | XorA | goodwill: ASU? |
| 10:00.07 | goodwill | erm...I do not know...just the daily one using mokomakefile |
| 10:00.30 | goodwill | there seesm to be limitted about of info about how to get a nice fully featured version running |
| 10:00.43 | goodwill | do I install packages...how is that done |
| 10:00.48 | goodwill | rather confusing |
| 10:00.52 | XorA | goodwill: ssh into the machine and use opkg |
| 10:02.13 | goodwill | ok that helps |
| 10:02.16 | goodwill | a bit |
| 10:02.47 | goodwill | is there a set thats considered to feature full I should be installing? |
| 10:03.03 | goodwill | maybe a meta package? |
| 10:03.29 | goodwill | I can not even get assassin to work |
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| 10:03.46 | goodwill | XorA: thank you though, I have a lead now |
| 10:04.06 | zlfita | how do you ssh into it? |
| 10:04.13 | XorA | goodwill: there isnt much software for ASU |
| 10:04.30 | goodwill | XorA: no? |
| 10:04.30 | XorA | goodwill: you can install the not installed bits of qtopia, and random gtk+ stuff as you like |
| 10:04.52 | XorA | goodwill: but OM is focusing on images, not the larger picture at the moment |
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| 10:05.23 | goodwill | I have been compiling the openmoko-devel-image |
| 10:05.33 | goodwill | which seems to build liek over 6000 packages |
| 10:05.54 | goodwill | I am not sure why that many |
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| 10:06.18 | XorA | lots of stuff like gdb |
| 10:06.25 | XorA | strace lsof as its the devel image |
| 10:06.44 | XorA | goodwill: but any gtk+ software in OE will work |
| 10:06.53 | XorA | goodwill: so its really upto you what to install |
| 10:07.01 | goodwill | OE? |
| 10:07.07 | goodwill | openembed |
| 10:07.12 | XorA | yes |
| 10:07.17 | XorA | what OM uses |
| 10:07.32 | goodwill | what I am trying to figure out is what a nice minimal set |
| 10:08.10 | XorA | well that is purely upto your own tastes |
| 10:08.21 | XorA | personally I like abiword, gnumeric and gimp to be there |
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| 10:10.24 | goodwill | XorA: gimp??? and that runs well? |
| 10:12.06 | goodwill | zlfita: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Setting_up_USB_connection |
| 10:12.12 | goodwill | zlfita: have not tried it yet |
| 10:12.55 | XorA | goodwill: its usable on some machine |
| 10:13.46 | goodwill | *sigh* |
| 10:15.02 | goodwill | XorA: I guess my problem is that instead of something getting a usable interface...like in all the screenshots and videos, I get weird screens and fonts that are off |
| 10:15.39 | goodwill | XorA: I am just trying to understand how I get to a stage liek this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Qemu-ubuntu1.png |
| 10:15.43 | goodwill | or what not |
| 10:16.05 | CVirus | goodwill: this is like the 20th time you misspell "like" |
| 10:16.11 | goodwill | CVirus: and? |
| 10:16.25 | CVirus | sounds n00bish |
| 10:16.34 | goodwill | I am a n00b |
| 10:16.50 | CVirus | I'm a n00b too but I don't misspell the word "like" |
| 10:16.51 | CVirus | :-p |
| 10:17.00 | goodwill | um, congrats? ;) |
| 10:17.08 | CVirus | whatever .. back to my studies |
| 10:20.18 | XorA | goodwill: thats an old picture, the theme changed since then |
| 10:20.33 | XorA | goodwill: looks pretty similar, but flatter these days |
| 10:20.48 | goodwill | ok...but the one I get from the latest image looks even worse... |
| 10:20.58 | XorA | goodwill: but openmoko-devel-image should give you that, does when I build it here |
| 10:21.04 | stranger__ | wy ar yuo fiting ovar tihs? yuo sohuld nt akt liek tihs hear |
| 10:21.08 | stranger__ | :-) |
| 10:21.15 | goodwill | XorA: I am building it now |
| 10:21.19 | stranger__ | could'nt resist... sorry |
| 10:21.32 | XorA | goodwill: the images on buildhost were buggered |
| 10:21.38 | XorA | goodwill: I am fixing that currently |
| 10:21.53 | goodwill | XorA: I am just surprized it need to build 6000+ applications before making an image |
| 10:22.06 | XorA | goodwill: devel-image has a lot of debugging tools |
| 10:22.10 | goodwill | XorA: I thought I was doing somethign wrong |
| 10:22.21 | XorA | I think that goes down by 1000 just by building openmoko-image |
| 10:22.50 | XorA | the reason its large is stuff gets built that is only used by plugins of software we dont acutally use in OM |
| 10:23.00 | XorA | but we want to leave the ability to use |
| 10:23.23 | goodwill | XorA: so the minal set is openmoko-image ? |
| 10:23.30 | XorA | yeah |
| 10:23.31 | goodwill | s/minal/minimal |
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| 10:23.52 | goodwill | ok |
| 10:23.54 | roh | also its not 6000 packages, but 6000 steps. much less packages |
| 10:24.08 | roh | because stageing, building, packaging etc are all single steps |
| 10:24.17 | goodwill | I see |
| 10:24.17 | XorA | oh yeah, thanks roh, forgot to say that |
| 10:25.18 | goodwill | so it builds stage1, stage2, stage3 |
| 10:25.34 | goodwill | (using gentoo lingo) |
| 10:27.29 | goodwill | hmmm, there is no openmoko-image in mokomakefile |
| 10:27.35 | goodwill | there is openmoko-feed |
| 10:27.57 | roh | i think its 'openmoko-devel-image' |
| 10:28.31 | goodwill | XorA said openmoko-image is smaller then openmoko-devel-image. |
| 10:28.38 | roh | ah.. that |
| 10:28.50 | roh | then its propably not in mokomakefile |
| 10:28.58 | goodwill | does openmoko-feed pull from buildhost feed/ |
| 10:29.08 | goodwill | daily-feed |
| 10:29.12 | roh | mokomakefile is just a wrapper to help beginners set up their buildsystem, check stuff out to the right locations and so on |
| 10:29.34 | goodwill | which is exactly who I am |
| 10:29.55 | goodwill | I want to be able to do all of the building before I get the phone |
| 10:30.00 | XorA | no, openmoko-feed builds the same packages as the official openmoko feed |
| 10:31.05 | goodwill | XorA: but its just packages right? no flash image? |
| 10:31.15 | XorA | goodwill: yes |
| 10:32.18 | goodwill | XorA: so the though is to use the daily rootfs and packages from daily-feed/ to get a system up and running quickly without much compile? |
| 10:32.26 | goodwill | s/though/thought |
| 10:32.52 | roh | yes. without any compiling (since the buildhost done it for your) |
| 10:33.15 | goodwill | hmm |
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| 10:33.42 | roh | the buildsys is just 'completely rebuildable' since some people who want to do bigger changes can operate completely independant |
| 10:33.51 | goodwill | roh: so the one remaining question I have is what is the minimal set of packages I need to get the phone in a nice working condition |
| 10:34.21 | roh | one can also use the toolchain to build single, simple packages if wanted (and the toolchain can be regenerated(compiled) from the buildsys) |
| 10:34.27 | goodwill | like in gentoo if I wanted gnome, I can install a gnome meta package instead of goign through each ebuild |
| 10:34.50 | goodwill | is there something that would help me with that in OM? |
| 10:34.53 | roh | goodwill it should have that minimal set after flashing the rootfs and kernel |
| 10:35.22 | roh | minimal as in 'anything to boot it up with all default apps' .. or do you mean something even more minimalistic? |
| 10:35.57 | goodwill | roh: the minimal set I got from the daily image today was merely unusable (now I understand if this was just cause its work in progress) |
| 10:36.23 | goodwill | I guess minimal as in default apps |
| 10:36.39 | goodwill | in ubuntu that woudl be their livecd |
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| 10:37.34 | goodwill | roh: it just was not clear to me if I was even flashing the right thing |
| 10:37.48 | goodwill | roh: cause even the icons were off, looked nothign liek ANY screenshots |
| 10:38.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | actually ubuntu /has/ minimal, which is smaller then the contents of the live cd :) |
| 10:38.01 | roh | well.. i think we are not there yet (at a 'stable version, bug-tested and free') state yet. daily builds are just whats defined as current stable at the time of build |
| 10:38.02 | goodwill | s/liek/like |
| 10:38.35 | goodwill | roh: understandable |
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| 10:39.18 | roh | and since the buildsys is so extremely flexible it always depends on what image target one builds. openmoko-devel-image is just one possible combination of packages |
| 10:39.36 | goodwill | roh: which is why I am compling openmoko-devel-image. But it was taking so long, I was not sure I was doing it wrong |
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| 10:39.44 | goodwill | s/wrong/right |
| 10:40.12 | roh | takes about 6hours on a core2duo 2.3ghz with 2gb ram and fast disky, all sources already downloaded |
| 10:40.26 | goodwill | sounds about right |
| 10:40.35 | goodwill | I got 2.8 dual |
| 10:40.42 | roh | including building cross-toolchain, compiler, libs, anything |
| 10:40.53 | goodwill | been running for about 6 hours now and is 2/3 of the way through |
| 10:41.01 | goodwill | with downloading |
| 10:41.22 | goodwill | 3/4 of the way through |
| 10:41.24 | goodwill | woohooo |
| 10:41.58 | goodwill | roh: so with openmoko-devel-image I should get the defaul apps preinstalled? or will I have to figure out what needs to be installed? |
| 10:42.23 | roh | the first one. default apps installed |
| 10:42.37 | goodwill | oh good |
| 10:43.00 | goodwill | roh: you and XorA have been of great help |
| 10:43.06 | goodwill | thank you |
| 10:43.29 | roh | XorA we should have a list of apps for each image target somewhere.. any idea who could write that up? |
| 10:44.14 | goodwill | roh: one more question...when you guys do app devel do you guys do development using qemu or nested xorg with 686 compiled, chrooted env? |
| 10:46.04 | XorA | roh: should be pretty easy to extract any get brenda to fancify for wiki |
| 10:46.25 | roh | XorA something like that, yeah |
| 10:46.33 | XorA | roh: Ill add it to my todo list |
| 10:46.56 | roh | XorA just as a explination which images are what, whats included in (important) libs and visible apps |
| 10:47.07 | XorA | roh: yeah makes sens |
| 10:47.08 | XorA | e |
| 10:47.19 | XorA | I can read .bb files like stories, but others cant |
| 10:47.25 | roh | ;) not anybody can read .bb ;) |
| 10:47.33 | mjr | free java progressing, incidentally (the full version): http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0,39044164,62042966,00.htm |
| 10:47.44 | XorA | anyway off for a bit |
| 10:47.49 | mjr | probably hogs a bit too much memory though |
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| 10:48.27 | mjr | how was that phoneme thing doing, I believe it worked at some point on a qvfb; now that we have qtopia/X11 can one do away with the qvfb part? |
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| 10:58.17 | goodwill | not that I like sun, but I do enjoy when it does things that make MS cry a bit |
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| 10:59.37 | mjr | sun is becoming more likable, methinks; because it has to, certainly, but anyway :] |
| 11:00.05 | goodwill | the problem its becoming more likable because it has to, not because it wants too |
| 11:00.17 | goodwill | kinda like pulling the mule forward by the ears |
| 11:00.50 | `6og | sun microsystems? |
| 11:01.07 | goodwill | no....the star named Sol ;) |
| 11:01.16 | goodwill | that thing hates open source |
| 11:01.18 | goodwill | ;) |
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| 15:10.18 | xming_ | hi all, I am pretty new here (folowed passively openmoko for +/- a year), I will be in Taiwan for a few weeks, anyone know where can I get a freerunner in .tw? |
| 15:10.43 | SpeedEvil | Wait. |
| 15:10.54 | SpeedEvil | Nobody yet knows when it will be available. |
| 15:11.01 | SpeedEvil | Or if they know they're not telling us. |
| 15:11.16 | XorA|gone | xming: knock on the office doors :-D |
| 15:11.24 | xming | oh, wasn't it like "begining of July"? |
| 15:11.44 | XorA|gone | one thing to watch though is the phones arent made in taiwan |
| 15:12.23 | xming | phone are made in China, offices are in .tw |
| 15:12.45 | XorA|gone | Ive no idea who will be selling them in .tw |
| 15:12.49 | xming | but most likely the coordination will be don't in Tawain, maybe I should just phone the, |
| 15:13.22 | xming | I can even drop by the office :) lol if I do I will take pictures :) |
| 15:13.36 | XorA|gone | has been to office, not that interesting :-) |
| 15:13.51 | xming | dull gray office buildeing :) |
| 15:14.06 | XorA|gone | it does have a grass wall though |
| 15:14.16 | XorA|gone | in OM office that is |
| 15:14.23 | XorA|gone | they are one little bit of a bigger building |
| 15:15.32 | xming | og neiho, my sister in law has a dentist practice their :) |
| 15:16.04 | xming | that' just the office of FIC? I was hoping that OM had an office their |
| 15:16.26 | XorA|gone | xming: Openmoko are a chunk of one floor inside FIC |
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| 15:16.43 | xming | getting a freerunnier will give my vacation some meaning :) |
| 15:16.50 | xming | XorA|gone: ty |
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| 15:17.14 | XorA|gone | xming: ask at approx 8am .tw time when some of the .tw engineers are awake and here :-) |
| 15:17.22 | XorA|gone | 8am GMT i meant |
| 15:17.37 | XorA|gone | whatever late hour that is in ,tw I cant remeber |
| 15:17.55 | xming | hmm MRT does not go pass therer :( |
| 15:18.13 | XorA|gone | no, the office is a pain in the arse to get to |
| 15:18.18 | xming | .tw is +8 GMT |
| 15:18.22 | XorA|gone | us non chinese speakers have to get taxis |
| 15:18.41 | xming | I can get MRT then the bus :) |
| 15:19.01 | XorA|gone | I would have, if I knew how to ask for the tickets :-) |
| 15:19.11 | xming | well I have never figured out the bus signs in Taipei but I can get a bus :) |
| 15:19.27 | xming | asking tickets is simple :p |
| 15:20.20 | xming | it's "only" 2km from the MRT station |
| 15:20.28 | XorA|gone | easy walk then |
| 15:20.55 | xming | not really, 2km in .tw is not the same as 2km in Europe/US |
| 15:21.07 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rfe9dfa3ac3f3 10/ (ChangeLog README): |
| 15:21.07 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: zhone: add ChangeLog. This should contain _user visible_ changes, it's meant to be a compagnion to SCM history, not a |
| 15:21.07 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: replicate |
| 15:21.13 | XorA|gone | xming: I put in a whole lot more than 2km when I went shopping in Taipei :-) |
| 15:21.29 | xming | it's like 40 degrees + all exaust from the aircos and freaking non walkable pedastian roads |
| 15:21.31 | mickeyl | shoragan, alphaone: please add zhone ChangeLog in the future whenever you perform uservisible changes |
| 15:22.13 | xming | XorA|gone: I did once 8km in the morning (5am), that was fast and easy |
| 15:22.26 | XorA|gone | xming: when I was there pollution was well within levels I can handle |
| 15:22.35 | XorA|gone | maybe thats my London upbringing |
| 15:22.50 | xming | XorA|gone: but during normal hours I find it very unpleasant to walk, except some better/newer area/regions |
| 15:23.36 | xming | XorA|gone: I can handle the poulution quite well, personally I don't think taipei is *that* bad except shanshon |
| 15:24.01 | xming | since the MRT era it's much muchh better now |
| 15:24.17 | XorA|gone | Edinburgh is actually the worst for pollution, but the pollution smells of beer so thats ok |
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| 15:24.42 | XorA|gone | except I guess they closed most of the breweries now :-( |
| 15:25.03 | xming | hehe OM's shop is using revoked cert (sec_error_revoked_certificate) |
| 15:25.31 | xming | I love the smoke coming out from the beer breweries |
| 15:25.40 | xming | smell delicious |
| 15:26.17 | xming | I might just start pestering FIC/OM before I am in .tw :) |
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| 15:26.52 | xming | getting me a GPS phone I can ever start doing openstreetmap mapping |
| 15:26.58 | xming | s/ever/even |
| 15:27.33 | XorA|gone | anyway I have to actually leave leave, great chatting to you! |
| 15:27.57 | xming | how's the bettery/power management doing now? Last I checked (long time ago) it was like 1/2 hour |
| 15:28.04 | xming | XorA|gone: cya |
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| 15:28.54 | XorA|gone | actually curse windows, its only 16:30 not 17:30 |
| 15:29.28 | xming | XorA|gone: woha, you are in the BST timezone :) |
| 15:29.33 | XorA|gone | yes |
| 15:29.41 | XorA|gone | but windows messed with me clock |
| 15:30.44 | xming | looks at the windows of his house, but couldn't find them messing wiht his clock |
| 15:31.02 | xming | must be some radio-active windows |
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| 15:31.22 | xming | or are you in a time capsule? |
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| 15:33.49 | XorA|gone | no, I ran vista earlier :-) |
| 15:35.24 | xming | earlier? Are you sure? ;p |
| 15:35.38 | XorA|gone | nope |
| 15:37.06 | xming | is OM CE certified? |
| 15:37.11 | XorA|gone | yes |
| 15:37.19 | CVirus | wtf is CE ? |
| 15:37.23 | CVirus | windows ce ? |
| 15:37.27 | xming | only saw NCC and FCC |
| 15:37.33 | XorA|gone | CVirus: european quality standard |
| 15:37.36 | xming | CVirus: yes of course :) |
| 15:37.39 | CVirus | ah ok |
| 15:37.53 | XorA|gone | CE0682 on my Freerunner |
| 15:38.25 | xming | XorA|gone: you have a freerunner? |
| 15:38.34 | xming | tries to steal it |
| 15:38.35 | XorA|gone | xming: I work for OM |
| 15:38.43 | xming | ah |
| 15:39.58 | xming | so I nly have to go to UK to get the phone :) |
| 15:40.20 | XorA|gone | or Germany :-D |
| 15:40.24 | mickeyl | hides |
| 15:40.26 | CVirus | phones are sold in the UK ? |
| 15:40.36 | XorA|gone | CVirus: there is a UK distributer |
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| 15:40.54 | xming | CVirus: I am going to steal XorA's phone :) |
| 15:41.17 | CVirus | i see |
| 15:42.03 | xming | XorA|gone: So I don't have to pjone .tw's office, I can just pester you :) |
| 15:42.30 | XorA|gone | xming: well mine is a beta one doesnt quiet work |
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| 15:43.43 | xming | well just some questions, do you think that the possibility to get one in .tw (during the whole July) is big? |
| 15:44.12 | XorA|gone | xming: I really dont know how they are being distributed down there |
| 15:44.19 | xming | and can I increase my chance by pestering your colleagues? |
| 15:44.48 | XorA|gone | most likely, or emailing community |
| 15:45.52 | xming | mailing to the ML will get their attention for such a request? |
| 15:46.13 | XorA|gone | should do |
| 15:46.36 | xming | hmm, time to subscribe then thanks for the tips |
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| 15:47.46 | FacelessJ | Hello |
| 15:48.02 | xming | hi there |
| 15:49.07 | FacelessJ | I'm not too savvy on phone technologies, namely international compatibility, but will the freerunner be able to work in Australia? |
| 15:49.35 | XorA|gone | FacelessJ: should do, rwhitby live that end of the world |
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| 15:49.59 | FacelessJ | Awesome |
| 15:51.14 | xming | tri-band should cover most part of the world except US IIRC |
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| 15:52.51 | xming | the new iPhone is so atractive, grrrr, only if it ran Linux and w/o all the restrictions |
| 15:53.27 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r048f672f7ed2 10/ (TODO framework/controller.py): controller: allow choosing which subsystems to launch via command line |
| 15:56.39 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: ping |
| 15:58.23 | FacelessJ | I was just reading about the CAD design files for the phone in this article (http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/03/design-your-own.html). How will one go about this? Do they contact some manufacturing company to create the new case, or do you send the designs along with your request to buy the phone? |
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| 16:00.05 | SpeedEvil | Basically - you can't. |
| 16:00.08 | SpeedEvil | Well - ... |
| 16:00.32 | SpeedEvil | Option A) - pay $20K-50K or so to get a mould made, and then you can crank them out by the thousands. |
| 16:00.57 | SpeedEvil | B) make them out of rapid prototyping stuff and double the thickness. |
| 16:01.09 | SpeedEvil | C) Manufacture from solid aluminium or something. |
| 16:01.23 | FacelessJ | Ahk. Well thankfully the phone looks good anyways. :p |
| 16:01.28 | XorA|gone | solid stainless steel case would rock :-) |
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| 16:01.38 | XorA|gone | but I supect make having gsm pointless |
| 16:01.38 | `pwgen` | titanium .. |
| 16:01.47 | SpeedEvil | I want damasteel. |
| 16:01.54 | `pwgen` | *G* |
| 16:02.12 | SpeedEvil | http://www.crandart.co.uk/damasteel.htm |
| 16:02.22 | FacelessJ | lol, if you wanna make it pointless, make it a faraday case. >_> |
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| 16:03.18 | `pwgen` | then you need an electricity ground |
| 16:03.30 | xming | but it is already "pointless" now :p |
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| 16:05.02 | xming | or do you see anything sharp point out? |
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| 16:08.04 | FacelessJ | Well, thanks for answering my questions. I should go get some sleep now. |
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| 16:10.10 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: pöng |
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| 16:13.48 | `pwgen` | ahh: some qustion: if i initiate a sleep by presseing the bottom power button the zphone will go sleep, if i awake it with the same button, it will go direct to sleepmode after awakening |
| 16:14.24 | `pwgen` | are threre some keyevents in eventqeue ? |
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| 16:17.36 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * re66223cb08aa 10/odeviced/ (4 files in 4 dirs): added rtc plugin |
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| 16:19.12 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: possibly, although http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=zhone.git;a=commitdiff;h=3674953cb0ea13efe9fe3e2f1de1a6d33d37fe14 should theoretically have fixed this. can you check whether this diff is in your version? |
| 16:19.30 | mickeyl | bbiab, need to grab a cofee |
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| 16:21.17 | `pwgen` | i used the "official" build from 17.06.2008 , and i get very impressed ... |
| 16:21.35 | wurp2 | `pwgen`: Official build of... bread-n-butter? |
| 16:21.53 | `pwgen` | fso-image - zhone |
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| 16:22.24 | wurp2 | That is the same as bread-n-butter, right? Milestone 1, Mickey's group's stuff? |
| 16:22.57 | `pwgen` | maybe for now the only good working phone |
| 16:23.18 | wurp2 | The phone is stable? |
| 16:23.36 | `pwgen` | but with no support for mmc card ... missing /dev entryies |
| 16:24.10 | wurp2 | :-/ |
| 16:24.28 | `pwgen` | after i found out that awakening with the power button won't work ... i think it,s .. working "?" |
| 16:24.28 | wurp2 | That's a general issue, not just incompatibility with your card? |
| 16:24.58 | `pwgen` | but the same kernel can boot from sd card ... strange thing .. |
| 16:25.10 | wurp2 | I'm wondering if I can get suspend/resume working 100% with zhone + mwester's kernel |
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| 16:27.02 | `pwgen` | i did not get the awakening by call working with my images , but that seemes to be fixed in zhone( milestone1 ) |
| 16:27.53 | `pwgen` | i am useing uImage-2.6.24-rc8+git2+421ed0bdd5b468d9de3ba571f49e7b840a8032e3-r1-om-gta0 and will now try my self-compiled-fso-image |
| 16:28.23 | wurp2 | ah |
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| 16:28.37 | wurp2 | I see notes in Status_Update_1 that SMS dbus interface is working |
| 16:28.44 | lukhas_lap | hello |
| 16:28.47 | wurp2 | Is there an SMS UI in Milestone 1? |
| 16:28.48 | wurp2 | hi |
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| 16:29.35 | `pwgen` | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.12 | `pwgen` | but there is a dbus interface to the rtc clock .... |
| 16:30.39 | lukhas_lap | I have a question about ASU: am I right in thinking that it's almost the same as OM2007.2 with a new interface ? |
| 16:30.52 | lukhas_lap | ie. same framework, more or less |
| 16:31.15 | wurp2 | lukhas_lap: I would say, not really... |
| 16:31.37 | wurp2 | I thought ASU is supposed to use Qtopia dialer (qt running under X11) as the primary dialer app |
| 16:31.45 | lukhas_lap | ok |
| 16:31.49 | wurp2 | And that's a totally different stack than 2007.2 |
| 16:31.53 | lukhas_lap | ah |
| 16:32.05 | wurp2 | The /sys devices will be the same, and from what I've heard that's about it |
| 16:32.11 | lukhas_lap | so I was wrong |
| 16:32.17 | lukhas_lap | good thing I asked |
| 16:32.22 | wurp2 | You can install 2007.2 apps on ASU |
| 16:32.32 | lukhas_lap | that's the part I got :) |
| 16:32.53 | lukhas_lap | is there a link where all this is explained? |
| 16:33.02 | wurp2 | I haven't used ASU, so I may not be the best person to answer :-) |
| 16:33.12 | lukhas_lap | apart from 500 mails on the community ML |
| 16:33.51 | wurp2 | I dunno, maybe this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan |
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| 16:35.26 | lukhas_lap | hmm, there is not much on this page :) |
| 16:35.40 | lukhas_lap | thanks anyway, I'll continue my digging on the ML archives |
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| 16:49.39 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r50f582897a6f 10/odeviced/src/plugins/rtc/ (22 files in 3 dirs): add GetCurrentTime to rtc |
| 16:49.40 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r66a36b4e8e34 10/odeviced/src/plugins/rtc/ (22 files in 3 dirs): |
| 16:49.40 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Revert "add GetCurrentTime to rtc" |
| 16:49.40 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 50f582897a6f423a99d04a3626d584d2baa225c2. |
| 16:49.41 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r13ef3edf9a77 10/odeviced/src/plugins/rtc/ (Makefile.am rtc.c rtc.h rtc.plugin rtc.vala): add rtc plugin for real :D |
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| 17:02.10 | ccfly | hello folks :) |
| 17:03.33 | CVirus | hai |
| 17:04.58 | zlfita | hey |
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| 17:06.06 | ccfly | is The Gadget coming down a production line yet ? |
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| 17:09.05 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke * r0f0db2454788 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [gsm] Do not create a new call when a %CPI/CRING arrives during local hangup |
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| 17:15.40 | webjames | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.18 | CM | That damn spacebar.. |
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| 17:18.16 | webjames | lol |
| 17:18.19 | wurp2 | production line, yes. Available for purchase, no. |
| 17:18.50 | webjames | CM does it matter? |
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| 17:19.22 | CM | webjames: Nope ;) |
| 17:19.44 | CM | Unless someone wants to be an ass about your nick |
| 17:20.34 | wurp2 | webjames: You should know that the archives for this list are kept available over the web... eventually someone probably will want to be an ass about your nick |
| 17:21.05 | webjames | how do i change my password then? |
| 17:21.34 | roh | ask nickserv for 'help' |
| 17:24.48 | webjames | syntax is SETPASS <account> <key> <newpass> what is key? |
| 17:25.13 | roh | i guess the old pass |
| 17:26.14 | webjames | nope not that |
| 17:27.04 | Qwell | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.02 | Qwell | (key is a key that gets emailed to you - if you already know the password, use "set password" instead.) |
| 17:29.13 | gregor | .wav and .mp3@svn? why not clearly using ogg? :) |
| 17:29.21 | webjames | Qwell, thanks all done |
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| 17:45.35 | zlfita | does anyone know how to get a terminal with qemu? |
| 17:45.55 | wurp2 | zlfita: Are you running a 2007.2 release? |
| 17:46.20 | wurp2 | It shouldn't matter that you're on qemu; you get a terminal the same way on a device |
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| 17:50.39 | zlfita | and how's that |
| 17:50.57 | zlfita | i have two versions of qemu, both from automated scripts |
| 17:52.49 | wurp2 | zlfita: Without knowing what release you're running, I can't tell you |
| 17:52.59 | wurp2 | There is no terminal in ASU per the wiki |
| 17:53.09 | wurp2 | Or, at least, the wiki includes a terminal on the ASU as a 'todo' |
| 17:53.34 | wurp2 | In 2007.2, you click the + at the bottom of the home screen, then select Applications from the drop-down at the top of the screen |
| 17:53.35 | mjr | I do hope it'll suck slightly less than the om2 one when they get around to it |
| 17:53.54 | wurp2 | Then click the bottom of the list & drag up, then release, to scroll down to where 'terminal' is, then click it |
| 17:54.17 | wurp2 | mjr: terminal didn't seem too awful about 2 months ago |
| 17:54.50 | mjr | you mean it didn't, like, lack basic vt100 functionality? |
| 17:54.50 | wurp2 | Now backspace & arrowing around break the display, and it does something weird with lines that are too long |
| 17:55.05 | mjr | oh, it's regressed then |
| 17:55.09 | wurp2 | yep |
| 17:55.14 | mjr | I didn't hit the sweet spot |
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| 17:55.46 | wurp2 | I hit the sweet spot, then missed the memo that 2007.2 was all fucked up, and updated to crap :-( |
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| 17:56.21 | wurp2 | mjr: If you grab an image from 4/30 or before, it should have a good terminal |
| 17:56.29 | wurp2 | One of kdean's tested images |
| 17:56.33 | zlfita | how do I get 2007.2 version? |
| 17:56.51 | zlfita | oh, from the gits repo |
| 17:57.06 | wurp2 | zlfita: or you can dfu install one of the images into qemu |
| 17:57.25 | wurp2 | I know where to get the images, but not how to install into qemu, since I never use qemu |
| 17:57.31 | wurp2 | but how to install should be on the wiki |
| 17:57.40 | zlfita | ok, where is the image? |
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| 17:58.32 | wurp2 | Read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Snapshot_review/2008-05-07 |
| 17:59.13 | zlfita | tahnks |
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| 18:02.34 | zlfita | what is the current situation about GSM system |
| 18:02.48 | zlfita | i want to be able to use my freerunner as my primary phone |
| 18:04.29 | wurp2 | zlfita: There was a time between March & April that we could use the 2007.2 release as a primary phone |
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| 18:04.48 | wurp2 | Now the gsm falls down (with no symptoms) after 4 or 5 hours |
| 18:05.01 | wurp2 | I hear that the zhone Milestone 1 release has stable phone capability |
| 18:05.07 | wurp2 | but unfortunately not much else |
| 18:05.27 | wurp2 | I believe raw Qtopia releases have good phone support, as well as media player |
| 18:05.51 | wurp2 | But I dunno where to get a good Qtopia release, since they're having some sort of licensing issue and took down their repositories |
| 18:06.03 | doc|work | o.O\ |
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| 18:06.05 | ljp | wurp2: soon |
| 18:06.12 | wurp2 | ljp: thx :-) |
| 18:06.46 | wurp2 | I have used the gta01 as my primary phone for about 6 months |
| 18:06.51 | wurp2 | I just miss a lot of calls :-/ |
| 18:06.54 | CVirus | hehe |
| 18:07.08 | ljp | becaus eof Qtopia? |
| 18:07.16 | wurp2 | ljp: Nope |
| 18:07.29 | wurp2 | ljp: I have been running on 2007.2 that whole time |
| 18:07.47 | wurp2 | Qtopia didn't have a terminal before |
| 18:08.04 | wurp2 | which was important to me - I also wanted to help OM debug |
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| 18:10.06 | ljp | ok. you had me worried for a bit |
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| 18:17.48 | zlfita | seems i'll be walking with two phones for a while, each of which are a bit unreliable |
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| 18:19.44 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rfcc9ffea981e 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: |
| 18:19.44 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced/kernel26: change GetChargingPercentage to GetEnergyPercentage. |
| 18:19.45 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Patch by Sudharshan S, thanks! |
| 18:20.55 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r7dfd5ee4081e 10/src/zhone: |
| 18:20.55 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: zhone: API catch up: change GetChargingPercentage to GetEnergyPercentage. |
| 18:20.56 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Patch by Sudharshan S, thanks! |
| 18:22.55 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rb59ce615c1c8 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/main.py: odeviced/main: API change: List -> ListObjectsByInterface |
| 18:24.55 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * raae89bb45129 10/src/zhone: zhone: catch up with API change in framework: List -> ListObjectsByInterface |
| 18:25.43 | mickeyl | wurp2: fso-image should be soon what you need to have a day-to-day phone |
| 18:25.50 | mickeyl | i'm working hard to make it happen |
| 18:25.59 | mickeyl | whole framework team, actually |
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| 18:28.11 | `pwgen` | i am testing ... |
| 18:33.41 | mickeyl | good |
| 18:33.52 | mickeyl | i think with MS2 I'll publically call for tickets |
| 18:33.58 | mickeyl | i.e. bugs |
| 18:34.00 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: there is no sd card |
| 18:34.30 | mickeyl | ya, heard you saying that. odd |
| 18:34.41 | mickeyl | i have no cards in my devices |
| 18:34.49 | mickeyl | will insert one and retest |
| 18:34.49 | `pwgen` | an my oe build started lst nigh lacks frameworkd ophoned ... i had to build it manually |
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| 18:35.07 | mickeyl | brand new images only contain one daemon package |
| 18:35.12 | mickeyl | frameworkd is the new super server |
| 18:35.23 | mickeyl | but during transition all things are a bit rough |
| 18:35.25 | mickeyl | :) |
| 18:36.16 | `pwgen` | i know .. i had to mtn pull every 2 minutes .(;-)) |
| 18:36.48 | mjr | wonders if there'll be a non-transitional time at some point :] |
| 18:37.19 | zlfita | hehhe there's kobo deluxe |
| 18:37.20 | CM | mjr: Hehe.. :P |
| 18:37.45 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, ah i almost forgot to ask this, is there some sort of feed that will build me the latest images off the git? |
| 18:38.01 | `pwgen` | but i wonder , that i can boot with the fso kernel my sd-card-image so its capable finding the sd device |
| 18:39.37 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: where did you get the ringone ? |
| 18:40.07 | mickeyl | Sup3rkiddo: you mean something prebuilt so you just have to opkg update? not yet, hopefully in a couple of weeks |
| 18:40.13 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: high voltage sid collection |
| 18:40.18 | mickeyl | it's Arkanoid from Martin Galway |
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| 18:42.02 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, na, i was hoping to add some stuff to the makefile and expose an make fso-image for instance....so i guess i will use opkg update now |
| 18:42.05 | Sup3rkiddo | *for now |
| 18:42.34 | mickeyl | aah, mokomakefile |
| 18:42.40 | mickeyl | i have to talk with rwhitby 'bout that |
| 18:42.49 | mickeyl | if you're using straight OE, it's just |
| 18:42.51 | mickeyl | bitbake fso-image |
| 18:43.09 | mickeyl | with including moko-autorev and fso-autorev in local.conf |
| 18:43.22 | Sup3rkiddo | oh!..thanks...that was what i was looking for |
| 18:43.37 | Sup3rkiddo | milestones are for weenies :P |
| 18:43.41 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 18:43.53 | mickeyl | indeed, but be prepared that we break a lot of stuff during milestones |
| 18:43.58 | mickeyl | s/during/in-between/ |
| 18:44.11 | Sup3rkiddo | acknowledged |
| 18:46.20 | mickeyl | of course, we try not to |
| 18:46.23 | mickeyl | but it might happen :) |
| 18:47.14 | Sup3rkiddo | yep yep, |
| 18:49.08 | mwester | needed that info as well... |
| 18:49.27 | mwester | Looking in the wrong place (OM repo) didn't help any! ;) |
| 18:50.27 | mickeyl | ;) sorry, org.oe.dev only. i'm an upstream fanatic |
| 18:50.52 | mickeyl | well, surely it gets merged into OM |
| 18:51.00 | mickeyl | since they catch up with .dev once and then |
| 18:51.30 | `pwgen` | did someone audio recording of phone calls ? |
| 18:51.50 | mickeyl | i'm told it should work, but i have yet to see a proof |
| 18:52.03 | mickeyl | need to find a matching state file |
| 18:52.33 | `pwgen` | i thing it shoud be possible to do stereo recordin - left gsm - right micro |
| 18:52.49 | `pwgen` | python-pyalsa ... |
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| 18:54.23 | Sonicadvance | lol |
| 18:54.25 | Sup3rkiddo | oh..its upstream...:/, i had been looking at the wrong place as well....didn want to make a fool of myself asking about it again..bleh |
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| 18:58.52 | mickeyl | ya, i see no reason to maintain it in Om right now |
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| 18:59.08 | mickeyl | i want to use it in HTC and EZX devices |
| 18:59.11 | mickeyl | and a lot more as well |
| 18:59.20 | mickeyl | (hopefully) |
| 18:59.32 | Sup3rkiddo | ( well thats the whole point of an unified API :D ) |
| 18:59.52 | mickeyl | righto |
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| 19:09.29 | mickeyl | ~spell chose |
| 19:09.35 | mickeyl | ~spell choose |
| 19:09.39 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:11.19 | cyrilRomain | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.49 | mickeyl | ok |
| 19:11.52 | mickeyl | chose is past tense? |
| 19:11.59 | cyrilRomain | mickeyl: Verb: choose (chose,chosen) |
| 19:12.04 | mickeyl | *nod* thanks |
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| 19:21.03 | erko | Hi all, should the current ASU builds allow me to make phone calls? The dialer doesn't seem to come up. |
| 19:22.44 | erko | Oh, and I'm trying ASU on my GTA01. |
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| 19:28.37 | wurp2 | erko: No :-( |
| 19:29.05 | wurp2 | erko: ScaredyCat's builds will let you, although the gsm still locks after some hours |
| 19:29.29 | wurp2 | erko: And zhone aka the fso images should, but they don't have much other functionality |
| 19:29.39 | erko | ah, ok, too bad about the ASU. |
| 19:31.06 | erko | I'll try the zhone one -- hopefully phone calls will work well. |
| 19:33.15 | erko | hmm, this bug indicates it's a problem with the buildhost: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1431 |
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| 19:34.44 | erko | wurp2, did you mean ScaredCat's qtopia builds work ok? |
| 19:34.51 | erko | (except for the locking) |
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| 19:36.13 | mickeyl | hmm anyone familiar with trac? |
| 19:36.20 | mickeyl | can i have send updates to a list or IRC? |
| 19:36.26 | mickeyl | like, ticket status changes |
| 19:37.34 | Qwell | mickeyl: we did it with Mantis, using a little IRC bot. Mantis just basically netcats something to a socket on the bot |
| 19:38.17 | mickeyl | right |
| 19:38.32 | Qwell | that doesn't answer your question though :) |
| 19:39.22 | Qwell | if you wanted to mod trac to do something similar, I'm pretty sure the bot we used is open source. I could try to find out where that's stored. |
| 19:39.48 | Qwell | (assuming it doesn't already support it) |
| 19:40.05 | wurp2 | erko: Nah, the 2007.2 builds |
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| 19:41.12 | wurp2 | erko: I think the specific one I tested is from 2008-06-11 |
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| 19:41.23 | wurp2 | (tested == am running right now) |
| 19:41.53 | erko | wurp2, ah, ok thanks |
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| 19:43.09 | wurp2 | You're welcome :-) |
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| 19:44.52 | mmontour | `pwgen`: Recording a GSM call should be fairly easy. I'll try it tonight after work. |
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| 19:47.40 | MadTBone | what specific revision of hardware is shipping? |
| 19:47.47 | mjr | should be, I'm hoping somebody else will deal with the mixer bother though ;) |
| 19:48.52 | mickeyl | mmontour: thanks. please keep me in the loop |
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| 19:52.09 | `pwgen` | mmontour: i have knowlege about the wm8753 from the zaurus c-1000/3200 |
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| 19:54.09 | `pwgen` | but its more interesting to find out what alsamixer switches the wm mixer |
| 19:54.43 | `pwgen` | and write a python-dbus app to do more generic switching |
| 19:55.57 | mickeyl | lets wrap http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/node/22 |
| 19:56.16 | mickeyl | should be a simple cython thing |
| 19:57.52 | Pjj | btw the freerunner is being sold next month or did I understand that wrong? "Hey 4th of july sale! Sorry american bias. But I'd figure early july. |
| 19:57.53 | Pjj | " |
| 19:58.43 | Pjj | aka they talking about the freerunner or something else |
| 19:58.53 | mmontour | Yeah, I need to look at that scenario library. Haven't had time yet. |
| 19:59.18 | mmontour | Pjj: yes, that's the Freerunner/GTA02. |
| 20:00.30 | `pwgen` | scenario-lib sounds what i was thinking about ... |
| 20:00.57 | `pwgen` | *G* missing dbus interface |
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| 20:02.56 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: scenario-lib already in OE ? |
| 20:03.01 | mickeyl | sure |
| 20:03.05 | mickeyl | bbiab |
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| 20:07.56 | Pjj | ok thanks mmontour, can't wait to buy it :) |
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| 20:35.14 | Pjj | does the freerunner ships with a sip client on it? (aka if you have wireless that you would use make a phone call using the internet instead of GSM?) |
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| 20:43.59 | CVirus | Pjj: I don't think so .. but you can easily install one I guess |
| 20:44.42 | Pjj | yeah probably :) |
| 20:45.09 | Qwell | bkruse is working on an IAX2 client |
| 20:45.22 | Qwell | I think the plan is to eventually integrate it into the dialer. |
| 20:46.43 | Pjj | cool |
| 20:47.39 | russellb | looks at Qwell |
| 20:47.53 | Qwell | O.o |
| 21:00.28 | Robot101 | :( |
| 21:00.51 | Robot101 | kuzgun: you see? we should integrate a telepathy client into the dialer. |
| 21:01.00 | Robot101 | then it could be a SIP client, or an IAX2 client... |
| 21:01.08 | russellb | telepathy? |
| 21:01.12 | russellb | O.O |
| 21:01.16 | Sonicadvance1 | anyone port tux paint to openmoko yet? ;) |
| 21:01.23 | Robot101 | real-time communications framework |
| 21:01.27 | Robot101 | telepathy.freedesktop.org |
| 21:01.32 | Pjj | some voip framework russellb |
| 21:01.41 | Robot101 | abstracted API for talking to IM/VOIP/collaborative services |
| 21:01.43 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8032e0ffd531 10/README: README++ |
| 21:02.37 | Robot101 | so you don't need to integrate the dialer into lots of different stuff. in fact, your dialer could be purely a telepathy client and do all its call control (GSM too) via telepathy |
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| 21:09.12 | kuzgun | Robot101: so should separate IM and VoIP parts? |
| 21:09.36 | Robot101 | kuzgun: yes, I think so. the dialler should be used for placing calls. |
| 21:09.42 | kuzgun | I think it can be done |
| 21:10.09 | kuzgun | the problem arises in IM part I think |
| 21:10.14 | Robot101 | I can understand SMS might work differently to IM (although, not on an iphone, where they make SMS into chat basically), there are no real differences to make voip very different to cellular calls |
| 21:10.16 | kuzgun | integrating VoIP into dialer is ok |
| 21:10.27 | kuzgun | yeah you are right |
| 21:10.45 | kuzgun | I'll try it I like that |
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| 21:13.08 | wurp2 | It seems to me that VoIP belongs behind the dbus api, and the dialer should use the dbus api |
| 21:13.42 | Robot101 | telepathy is a dbus API |
| 21:14.05 | Blastur | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/147411/report_google_faces_android_handset_delays.html |
| 21:14.10 | Blastur | this is great news for freerunner! |
| 21:14.24 | CVirus | true |
| 21:15.27 | CVirus | not that good of a news to be honest ... as the FreeRunner won't be consumer ready before 6-8 more months I guess |
| 21:15.44 | CVirus | so it doesn't make big difference I guess |
| 21:15.52 | wurp2 | Robot101: Excellent, but then I would think we would want a faux api sitting in front of it, that exposes the ophoned interface and adapts it to either the normal ophoned implementation (for gsm) or telepathy (for VoIP) |
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| 21:16.54 | Robot101 | wurp2: why? telepathy is the abstraction - you could have a tiny adapter which exposed ophoned using the telepathy API |
| 21:18.34 | wurp2 | Because a dialer app for the FR already exists that uses the ophoned interface |
| 21:18.48 | wurp2 | So I would say the ophoned interface is the abstraction |
| 21:19.23 | xming | it would be nice to run a VoIP PBX on OM :) or even FoIP server :) |
| 21:19.34 | wurp2 | You would just have to add a method to show what mechanism you are currently using to dial, and allow ppl to switch mechanisms |
| 21:19.35 | Robot101 | right, but it's not anyone else's abstraction. if you present the telepathy API on top of the GSM functionality, other apps which use telepathy can also access the SMS/call/etc functionality |
| 21:19.49 | wurp2 | Robot101: excellent point :-) |
| 21:20.04 | xming | that would be nice |
| 21:20.04 | wurp2 | I was (well, am) not aware of what apps use telepathy now |
| 21:20.23 | Robot101 | how you implement the dialer doesn't /really/ matter, it's OM specific so it can short-circuit the abstraction if it wants, but you're better off using the existing interfaces than inventing new ones |
| 21:20.36 | Robot101 | I did say this already but I'm apparently not worth listening to :P |
| 21:20.51 | wurp2 | I've been in & out of the room |
| 21:21.14 | Robot101 | there are obviously certain GSM-specifics like fiddling with the SIM card and setting your SMS service centre or whatever |
| 21:21.23 | Robot101 | which you can ignore telepathy for |
| 21:21.39 | Robot101 | but it makes sense to use telepathy for the parts where msssaging/calling/presence overlap |
| 21:21.47 | xming | well, SMS service via HTTP/SMTP could be used for VoIP |
| 21:22.38 | Robot101 | xming: or just SIMPLE over your existing authenticated SIP registration... ? :) |
| 21:23.14 | xming | Robot101: that is if your VoIP is SIP and your provider supports that |
| 21:23.15 | russellb | Robot101: you're not quite familiar with SIP reality, are you ;) |
| 21:23.22 | wurp2 | Robot101: I'm not sure I'm on board with using two different interfaces to access one piece of functionality |
| 21:23.42 | wurp2 | Or is there a standard way to extend telepathy's API? |
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| 21:25.35 | kuzgun | wurp2: I missed the main point here the problem is using two apps on the same device for the same task where these apps are not aware of each other? |
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| 21:26.33 | Robot101 | russellb: I'm not too bad at SIP, and I've certainly worked with providers who do SMS<->SIMPLE gatewaying |
| 21:26.51 | wurp2 | kuzgun: I'm assuming that we're using one end-user app for this functionality |
| 21:26.53 | Robot101 | russellb: obviously that works best because you don't need to use anything outside the telepathy SIP backend to use SMS with those providers |
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| 21:27.23 | Robot101 | wurp2: its easy to extend the telepathy API with new interfaces, yes. but that's pretty much always true of d-bus APIs. |
| 21:28.07 | wurp2 | kuzgun: I'm trying to figure out if it makes more sense to use an ophoned -> telepathy or telepathy -> ophoned |
| 21:28.11 | wurp2 | adapter |
| 21:28.20 | russellb | is the d-bus interface just for basic call signalling? |
| 21:28.52 | Robot101 | telepathy? no. it can represent a lot of advancfunctionality, where available. |
| 21:29.01 | russellb | i guess i meant, non-audio |
| 21:29.28 | Robot101 | like messaging, presence, chats, collaborative applications, managing your contact lists |
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| 21:34.55 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 21:36.06 | wurp2 | The telepathy interface looks awfully generic to use as your primary API for making phone calls |
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| 21:41.09 | raboof | look like it'll be quite a while before android materializes |
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| 21:41.21 | raboof | might give us some time to catch up :) |
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| 21:48.26 | hfsplus | Is there a known price range for the freerunner when they come out? like, 400-500, 700-800 ? |
| 21:48.39 | CVirus | 399$ |
| 21:48.40 | doc|work | $399 |
| 21:49.02 | hfsplus | oh hey cool |
| 21:49.05 | hfsplus | not too bad :D |
| 21:50.29 | CVirus | we tricked him with our market plan .. muhaha |
| 21:50.37 | CVirus | 399$ is not 400$ |
| 21:50.41 | CVirus | it's 399$ |
| 21:50.49 | CVirus | marketing* |
| 21:51.29 | russellb | should be like wal-mart ... $396.94 |
| 21:51.34 | hfsplus | lol |
| 21:51.59 | hfsplus | I'm getting this instead of the iphone |
| 21:52.03 | hfsplus | open = good :) |
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| 21:55.01 | raboof | have any of the .eu distributors made promises about actual prices (including taxes, shipping, the whole shebang) yet? |
| 21:56.15 | raboof | heh, the trisoft page still estimates the freerunner coming out 'late may' :) |
| 21:56.34 | Sonicadvance | hehe |
| 21:56.41 | raboof | tosses a mail to info@trisoft.de |
| 21:56.45 | zedstar_ | a UK seller had put the end user price up |
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| 21:57.17 | Qwell | "Due late " + (date.Month + 1).toString(); |
| 21:57.38 | Sonicadvance | hehe |
| 21:58.07 | zedstar_ | https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=OpenMoko |
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| 21:59.34 | raboof | E342 - still a load of cash, but not bad :) |
| 22:06.20 | Pjj | The freerunner can make normal phone calls now right? I remember some prototype that couldn't do so, anything that is still missing atm or is every normal thing (like sms, phone calls etc) working now? |
| 22:08.38 | kdean06 | Pjj, Yes it's capable of doing them, but "how capable" is a matter of the software you're running. |
| 22:09.12 | kdean06 | I've finally got a stable ASU image what will hopefully let me do some serious, first hand testing. I'm quite excited to get home and flash it, actually. |
| 22:09.18 | Pjj | what about the default openmoko software ;) ? |
| 22:12.36 | Pjj | the thing I bassicly want to know, I'm not a programmer (although I know a tiny bit of C/Java) got some GNU/Linux experience, but would it be usuable as a normal phone the freerunner (mostly the ability to make calls and sms etc) or not yet (with the default openmoko software). |
| 22:12.49 | tobii_ | kdean06: Does the sofware also excist for gta01? |
| 22:13.55 | kdean06 | Pjj, If you can handle a fair share of bugs in with really basic features, then yes, it can probably do what you want. It will improve over time as well. |
| 22:14.25 | Pjj | yeah and I'm kinda willing to help a bit out, report bugs in here etc, should be fun |
| 22:14.37 | kdean06 | tobii_, And yes, though I have yet to actually test it yet. The ASU should work on the 1973, and I know that the 2007.2 line did at one point. :) |
| 22:14.40 | Pjj | To see the software improve etc |
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| 22:15.48 | Pjj | thanks for the reply btw kdean06 |
| 22:15.55 | tobii_ | kdean06: talk to me if it works fine |
| 22:15.56 | tobii_ | ;D |
| 22:16.13 | kdean06 | No problem. |
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| 23:11.00 | gnutoo_ | hello,is there a channel for phones issues?: i've an old phone and i'd like to get its sms and infos(such as the phones numbers) so i've ran an at command: AT+CMGL but i have mysterious hexadecimal numbers...shouldn't it output in the sms in clear text? |
| 23:11.17 | gnutoo_ | or should i find the encoding? |
| 23:11.20 | emdete | gnutoo_: no, its a "PDU" |
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| 23:14.54 | gnutoo_ | emdete, ok thanks...so how do i read the sms?(the others commands fails such as AT+CMGR="1" fails) |
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| 23:19.11 | gnutoo_ | emdete, i think i'll look at programs that already do the decoding... |
| 23:21.07 | abraxa_ | gnutoo_: His http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=pyneo.git;a=blob;f=pyneod/pygsm/genericmodem.py;h=bfedaedbb04ef4b6a2e3b6396cf4d92c251499a1;hb=HEAD for example |
| 23:22.04 | gnutoo_ | abraxa_, wow thanks a lot ... |
| 23:22.33 | abraxa_ | We wrote it, not I hehe |
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