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| 00:24.14 | linuxxr | nadda |
| 00:25.35 | CVirus | dadda |
| 00:25.45 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r5df471dfd69b 10/framework/ (3 files in 3 dirs): remove some more sys.path hacks |
| 00:37.22 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rdabc3e530eed 10/ (10 files in 9 dirs): remove more path hacks |
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| 01:24.32 | roh | andras_ how guru do you need it? |
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| 02:50.07 | linuxxr | watcha think the usa distributers will get some air freight or boat freight? |
| 02:51.34 | linuxxr | i dont think the demand in the usa initially will be very great |
| 02:51.55 | linuxxr | but should grow at a fast pace |
| 02:52.24 | linuxxr | i need i quick so i can show it |
| 02:53.13 | linuxxr | lots of rich p[eople here in nw arkansas |
| 02:55.16 | SpeedEvil | They are flying it over on dragons. |
| 02:55.35 | SpeedEvil | Their contractor has promised to deliver the dragons real soon now. |
| 02:58.32 | XorA|gone | all the stuff I have seen about it hitting the shops has said July 4th |
| 02:58.38 | XorA|gone | but thats not an official date |
| 02:59.06 | SpeedEvil | remembers his delivery service comment on the GTA02 page. |
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| 03:56.40 | linuxxr | are we talking this decade? |
| 03:56.47 | linuxxr | okok |
| 03:57.11 | linuxxr | its gonna be i hope |
| 03:58.27 | linuxxr | i think the no camera is the best part sofar |
| 03:58.51 | linuxxr | iid like to see it stay that way |
| 04:00.04 | summatusmentis | why? |
| 04:00.09 | linuxxr | may needto implement a sister model |
| 04:00.22 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.32 | linuxxr | no cam |
| 04:00.55 | linuxxr | y that would really kick it off |
| 04:01.37 | linuxxr | they have money to spend |
| 04:02.06 | linuxxr | my sister wants one because of that feature |
| 04:03.23 | linuxxr | y they may want a large # of them |
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| 04:06.17 | linuxxr | is there a way to utilize the screen as a capture device? |
| 04:06.34 | linuxxr | that would be useful |
| 04:06.56 | linuxxr | and space saving |
| 04:07.09 | josch | capturing what? |
| 04:07.17 | linuxxr | as a camera |
| 04:08.03 | josch | screen as a camera?? |
| 04:11.06 | linuxxr | a little further in the future maybe |
| 04:11.14 | josch | you got me lost there |
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| 04:15.05 | linuxxr | http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/206084093/Tri_band_Touch_Screen_Bluetooth_Camera_Watch_Mobile.html |
| 04:15.21 | linuxxr | thats a cool watch |
| 04:24.59 | SpeedEvil | Cameras are as small as 6*6*4mm |
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| 05:20.23 | Sonicadvance1 | Cameras are quite small these days |
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| 05:26.06 | linuxxr | so in the usa which phone company should we use at&t verison sprint which is the one? |
| 05:26.20 | Sonicadvance1 | My GSM provider is called Viaero |
| 05:26.21 | Sonicadvance1 | :D |
| 05:26.28 | linuxxr | or get a cheap prepaid one? |
| 05:27.52 | linuxxr | v2goprepaid? |
| 05:28.13 | linuxxr | basic universal service? |
| 05:28.59 | Sonicadvance1 | o.o |
| 05:30.39 | linuxxr | the gsm part is the phone only ,,is that correct? |
| 05:31.07 | linuxxr | or ? |
| 05:31.39 | linuxxr | it includes internet access and gps and gsm? |
| 05:32.15 | linuxxr | just ask for gsm service i assume? |
| 05:32.54 | linuxxr | im not too shure a sales rep can even spell gsm |
| 05:33.23 | Sonicadvance1 | that's not very nice, the Sales rep at Viaero know tons |
| 05:33.29 | linuxxr | ok |
| 05:33.31 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:44.29 | sontek | was wondering if you guys know when the devkits will be for sale again |
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| 07:41.16 | CVirus | hai |
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| 11:01.11 | flexd | Is there a problem with the mailing lists? |
| 11:01.18 | flexd | Im just not getting any more mails |
| 11:01.24 | flexd | like 40 mails in 3 days, i usually get like 2000 |
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| 11:09.06 | andrenarchy | yeah seems very strange |
| 11:09.33 | andrenarchy | just one mail today |
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| 11:10.22 | andrenarchy | i just sent a mail to the list 1 minute ago |
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| 11:10.54 | andrenarchy | let's see when it hits our inboxes |
| 11:12.48 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * rd437d16e9d7b 10/framework/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Use timeout_add_seconds from gobject |
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| 11:13.34 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: ping |
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| 11:56.54 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: heya, what's up |
| 11:57.05 | `pwgen` | ahh |
| 11:57.27 | `pwgen` | i am responding your mail , mompl please |
| 11:59.29 | `pwgen` | asound.conf vs asoundrc .. thats the question |
| 11:59.58 | mickeyl | asoundrc does nothing for me, here, only asound.conf is evaluated |
| 12:00.22 | `pwgen` | why ist the naming in alsa-state between r16 and 18 changed ? |
| 12:02.17 | mickeyl | well, because /etc/asoundrc does not seem to be evaluated by our libasound |
| 12:02.27 | mickeyl | so i changed it to asound.conf |
| 12:02.29 | mickeyl | and boom... it worked |
| 12:05.01 | `pwgen` | i had problems starting pulseaudio with a missing asoundrc it could not set the required sample speed. maybe i had to cleanup my build and do a fulle rebuild .. |
| 12:05.23 | mickeyl | yeah, sometimes a full rebuild is necessary |
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| 12:06.49 | `pwgen` | maybe my image was build with an older libasound. i straced it and tried to open the asoundrc, my sdcard installation had an working asoundrc |
| 12:07.07 | cyrilRomain | just for those who find the stylet silly: iPhone is considered a sexist phone by women with long nails; because they cannot use their nails to click they would like to use a stylet |
| 12:07.53 | XorA|gone | :-D |
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| 12:08.54 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: can you start the pulseaudio with module-alsa-sink without warning ? |
| 12:09.56 | SpeedEvil | Nails work just fine - with one of the hard-surfaced screen protectors. Or a properly buffed edge of the nail. |
| 12:10.02 | mickeyl | fso no longer ships pulseaudio |
| 12:10.18 | mickeyl | but yes, last time i worked on meta-pulseaudio, I could start it |
| 12:10.36 | mickeyl | the warning "is not designed to run as root" is nothing to worry about |
| 12:10.40 | mickeyl | or which warning do you mean? |
| 12:11.11 | SpeedEvil | giggles at root security warnings on a platform with a blank root password. |
| 12:11.32 | `pwgen` | no the not the warning i meant, its the thing about samplerate setting to 48k |
| 12:11.50 | mickeyl | ah, no i did not see that, but then again, fso no longer uses pulseaudio |
| 12:12.04 | XorA|gone | odd 48k should be a valid frequncy |
| 12:12.09 | XorA|gone | that chip does 96k |
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| 12:14.03 | XorA|gone | mickeyl: I meant to ask, how much work would it be to replace gsmd with gsmd2 in gtk+ stuff? |
| 12:14.21 | SpeedEvil | smells a fork. |
| 12:14.30 | XorA|gone | SpeedEvil: fork? |
| 12:15.07 | CVirus | Can the FreeRunner suspend and resume properly on an incoming call now ? |
| 12:15.30 | XorA|gone | CVirus: getting very very close, see the kernel list |
| 12:15.38 | XorA|gone | CVirus: only a couple of resume niggles left |
| 12:15.53 | CVirus | how many hours can the battery last now ? |
| 12:16.01 | SpeedEvil | XorA|gone: confident they are not hardware? |
| 12:16.11 | XorA|gone | SpeedEvil: yes, kernel oopses |
| 12:16.27 | XorA|gone | CVirus: it lasts at least 12 hours on battery with no suspend |
| 12:16.38 | mickeyl | XorA|gone: rewriting the dbus interface from phonekit to gsmd2 |
| 12:16.40 | CVirus | wow |
| 12:16.42 | SpeedEvil | XorA|gone: has current in suspend been measured? |
| 12:16.57 | SpeedEvil | XorA|gone: that's with cpufreq? |
| 12:17.09 | CVirus | XorA|gone: with blanking the screen only ? |
| 12:17.10 | XorA|gone | mickeyl: currently gtk+ is the only way I can make phonecalls |
| 12:17.14 | XorA|gone | CVirus: yes |
| 12:17.14 | SpeedEvil | XorA|gone: or more simply - someone left it in suspend till it dies? |
| 12:17.42 | XorA|gone | SpeedEvil: I just left a phone on my desk and forgot to turn it off, totally unscientific testing |
| 12:17.52 | mickeyl | XorA|gone: use fso-image, it works rock solid |
| 12:18.06 | mickeyl | we tested it for days here |
| 12:18.12 | mickeyl | did not crash once |
| 12:18.15 | XorA|gone | mickeyl: you lack a button to accept phone call, and to hang up |
| 12:18.22 | mickeyl | ? |
| 12:18.24 | mickeyl | no |
| 12:18.30 | SpeedEvil | XorA|gone: how long have you had one in suspend? |
| 12:18.39 | mickeyl | an incoming call shows a dialog where you can reject or answer |
| 12:18.39 | XorA|gone | mickeyl: incoming phone call rings phone, no way to pickup appears |
| 12:18.48 | mickeyl | XorA|gone: did you use the official iamges? |
| 12:18.52 | XorA|gone | SpeedEvil: zero time, it crashes on the stable kernel |
| 12:18.58 | SpeedEvil | XorA|gone: ah |
| 12:19.04 | XorA|gone | mickeyl: there are official ones? I built from OE.dev |
| 12:19.05 | mickeyl | XorA|gone: we are breaking it in-between milestones, please don't use self-compiled images |
| 12:19.10 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 12:19.11 | CVirus | XorA|gone: how many hours do you personally expect the phone to last if suspend is used ? |
| 12:19.14 | mickeyl | does no one read my mails? |
| 12:19.22 | XorA|gone | mickeyl: I havent seen any fso mails |
| 12:19.26 | CVirus | same |
| 12:19.27 | mickeyl | i announced it on device-owners and openmoko-devel |
| 12:19.48 | mickeyl | gold-images are at downloads.openmoko.org/framework |
| 12:20.03 | XorA|gone | maybe you announced on a day with 10,0000 suspend resume messages and I got bored of reading mail |
| 12:20.10 | mickeyl | hardly |
| 12:20.18 | mickeyl | device-owners is a low volume list |
| 12:20.25 | XorA|gone | isnt on that one |
| 12:20.46 | mickeyl | also http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-June/003126.html |
| 12:21.26 | XorA|gone | cool, I just missed it then |
| 12:22.02 | XorA|gone | qtopia helpfully will receive sms and do exactly nothing else |
| 12:22.10 | mickeyl | :) |
| 12:22.14 | mickeyl | i showed fso to wolfgang yesterday |
| 12:22.20 | mickeyl | "that's the future" |
| 12:22.22 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 12:22.33 | mickeyl | at least the system level |
| 12:22.35 | XorA|gone | good, I was always against the ASU image |
| 12:22.37 | mickeyl | not necessarily the ui |
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| 12:24.08 | XorA|gone | will take FSO milestone one to the local lug this month then |
| 12:24.38 | cyrilRomain | ~fso |
| 12:24.51 | XorA|gone | brb |
| 12:25.54 | balrog-kun | guesses fs in fso is for Free Smartphone |
| 12:27.20 | cyrilRomain | it seems related to 'zhone' (zen phone?) |
| 12:27.21 | mickeyl | ibot: fso is short for the freesmartphone.org, collaboration platform for open source and open discussion software projects working on interoperability and shared technology for Linux-based SmartPhones. freesmartphone.org honours and bases on specifications and software created by the freedesktop.org community. |
| 12:27.33 | cyrilRomain | thanks mickeyl |
| 12:27.54 | mickeyl | apt_: fso is short for the freesmartphone.org, collaboration platform for open source and open discussion software projects working on interoperability and shared technology for Linux-based SmartPhones. freesmartphone.org honours and bases on specifications and software created by the freedesktop.org community. |
| 12:28.22 | flexd | but anyway, whats up with the mailing list? Im getting maybe 1 mail a day now, usually 500+ |
| 12:28.49 | balrog-kun | ~fso |
| 12:29.14 | balrog-kun | humm |
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| 12:29.42 | cyrilRomain | hopes too much images will not spread out developers collaboration, at least core devs |
| 12:31.10 | rwhitby | cyrilRomain: one of them will finally get suspend/resume and phone calls working, and the others will die. |
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| 12:33.04 | MadTBone | Hy guys. Any way of reserving a Freerunner or getting expedited shipping? I've been holding on to my aging phone (Nokia 6340i ... circa 2003) since I became aware of the Openmoko project. Yesterday I got mugged and they took my phone. I really don't want to get a new phone before I can get a Freerunner. |
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| 12:33.35 | abraxa_ | MadTBone: Sorry to hear |
| 12:34.05 | abraxa_ | MadTBone: The estimated time line is on the community update page (see topic) |
| 12:34.14 | MadTBone | abraxa_: thanks. I'm pretty much ok. just a black eye and swolen jaw. |
| 12:35.22 | `pwgen` | how do i avtivate the vibrator when useing the fso image ? |
| 12:36.15 | MadTBone | abraxa_: thanks. July 4th....Realistic date? It's still a way off... I may have to opt for a stop gap cheap phone |
| 12:37.18 | mjr | hmm, are there something like small usb sticks with an arm and some flash that you can program to do what you want? |
| 12:37.35 | mjr | preferrably ones that could handle a small linux install |
| 12:37.42 | rwhitby | MadTBone: you'll want a real phone anyway, while the software for FreeRunner stabilises. |
| 12:37.59 | abraxa_ | mjr: Maybe one of the gumstix is what you want? |
| 12:38.18 | MadTBone | also, what's the word on 850MHz operation? I know they won't be sold w/ that capability out of the box. But is there any documentation on modding for 850MHz? |
| 12:38.33 | rwhitby | MadTBone: two models - one 850, one 900. |
| 12:38.44 | mjr | MadTBone, both 850/1800/1900 and 900/1800/1900 models will be sold |
| 12:39.32 | SpeedEvil | mjr: http://www.tincantools.com/ |
| 12:39.39 | SpeedEvil | mjr: nothing especially cheaper |
| 12:39.41 | MadTBone | rwhitby & mjr : ahh...so it's officially shipping to US with 850MHz ready to go? That's great news! |
| 12:40.25 | rwhitby | two tri-band models. no good for someone who travels between US and EU and AU. |
| 12:41.15 | MadTBone | rwhitby: no, but perfect for someone who doesn't. What was the hangup with quad band operation? |
| 12:41.27 | SpeedEvil | It's basically more complex. |
| 12:41.40 | SpeedEvil | And 02 had a copy of 01 hardware, which was triband |
| 12:41.46 | mjr | the board wasn't designed for it, and they found out too late due to some weird communications hangup |
| 12:41.57 | mjr | hopefully the gta03 will be quad for travellers... |
| 12:42.17 | SpeedEvil | Basically - nobody in the core hardware dev team had 850MHz where they lived. |
| 12:42.22 | mjr | SpeedEvil, thanks, the Nail Kit seems pretty perfect |
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| 12:42.44 | SpeedEvil | mjr: wander over to #edev, and ask prpplaque if you have any questions. |
| 12:43.07 | SpeedEvil | You can basically make a OM compatible phone using the hammer, plus GSM and other modules. |
| 12:43.41 | SpeedEvil | (more expensive than FR though prolly |
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| 12:46.32 | Blastur | the hammer? |
| 12:47.04 | SpeedEvil | small ARM CPU based module from tincantools.com |
| 12:47.21 | SpeedEvil | 40 pin DIP |
| 12:48.03 | mjr | SpeedEvil, we'll keep in mind; it's potentially for the wife, actually, we got to wondering about prototyping some identity usb sticks and stuff... |
| 12:48.23 | mjr | (I love my wife) |
| 12:48.36 | SpeedEvil | identity? |
| 12:49.39 | mjr | all that challenge response rsa card stuff, but a bit more complex capabilities than what's generally available now... |
| 12:49.53 | SpeedEvil | Well - that's probably dramatic overkill. |
| 12:49.58 | mjr | probably is |
| 12:50.28 | mjr | in fact most certainly is :] |
| 12:51.36 | mjr | though actually the gta01 might serve well for a first prototype, and that's even more overkill but at least prebought ;P |
| 12:52.03 | SpeedEvil | What are you wanting to do with it? |
| 12:52.22 | SpeedEvil | Basically a key? |
| 12:53.37 | mjr | leeloo multipass |
| 12:54.33 | mjr | something along the lines of hierarchical separate keys for separate uses, but connectable if you have a central key etc... |
| 12:54.50 | mjr | I'm not really sure what all she'd like there |
| 12:55.36 | mjr | which is why I asked for a generic programmable computer for prototyping |
| 12:56.27 | milos_ | !fso |
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| 12:59.45 | SpeedEvil | mjr: there isn't really a generic linux computer that's a similar size and cheaper. |
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| 13:00.40 | mjr | yeah well, the bill would probably go to the uni, she's a researcher there.. |
| 13:00.55 | mjr | and I can imagine such sticks having other uses there as well |
| 13:01.24 | SpeedEvil | Oh they do. |
| 13:01.35 | SpeedEvil | I'm contemplating putting one in a UAV. |
| 13:02.44 | mjr | yeah that uav |
| 13:07.13 | milos_ | what is fso for? |
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| 13:11.46 | SpeedEvil | mjr: also - look at http://www.maxim-ic.com/products/ibutton - for more basic signle function stuff. Look a the SHA1 buttons |
| 13:12.32 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r56a1df93696d 10/framework/frameworkd: allow uninstalled startup |
| 13:12.33 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rdec11adabcc7 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): register one busname for every subsystem, fail gracefully, if one module raises an exception during factory() |
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| 13:13.58 | mjr | SpeedEvil, ack, thanks, things like that may come in handy as well even if they don't hack it for what she's in mind now |
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| 13:32.21 | tomboy64 | i want my fr. |
| 13:32.26 | tomboy64 | and i want it now! :-D |
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| 13:42.52 | pjj_ | probably a question that has been asked many times before, but any idea when the freerunner will be released? |
| 13:43.56 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: pyalsa has a fine API to control the 8753 mixer .. |
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| 13:46.14 | abraxa_ | pjj_: Check topic please |
| 13:47.04 | mickey__ | `pwgen`: yeah. unfortunately they don't have PCM control yet covered, however python-alsaaudio has PCM, however slightly less good mixing :)) |
| 13:47.13 | *** topic/#openmoko by mickey__ -> No, Freerunner is not out yet. Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates . | ASU means August Software Update and is coming soon |
| 13:47.45 | CVirus | August ?! |
| 13:47.58 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: i try to build an pyalsa package .. missing in OE |
| 13:49.16 | mickey__ | `pwgen`: check again |
| 13:49.19 | mickey__ | both are there |
| 13:49.22 | mickey__ | pyalsa and pyalsaaudio |
| 13:49.32 | pjj_ | abraxa_, missed the wiki, thx |
| 13:49.35 | `pwgen` | grmpf .. |
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| 14:00.02 | `pwgen` | mickey: i dont have python-pyalsa in my branch .. what did i wrong ? |
| 14:00.21 | `pwgen` | s/mickey/mickeyl/ |
| 14:03.27 | mickey__ | hmm let me check |
| 14:03.35 | mickey__ | there's always the possibility that i have uncommited changes |
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| 14:04.32 | mickey__ | no, it's online |
| 14:04.36 | mickey__ | perhaps you need to update |
| 14:04.38 | mickey__ | http://git.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=blob;f=packages/python/python-pyalsa_1.0.16.bb;h=f98e144c751e33bfbc6d1ab610854f66cbd0babb;hb=HEAD |
| 14:04.47 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: i have found the commit at http://amethyst.openembedded.net/oe/viewmtn , bit its not in my openembedded tree |
| 14:04.57 | mickey__ | mtn pull && mtn update |
| 14:05.09 | `pwgen` | sigh ... |
| 14:05.09 | mickey__ | perhaps you forgot to update. pull does not alter your WORKDIR |
| 14:05.22 | `pwgen` | i used moko makefile .. |
| 14:08.46 | `pwgen` | i started a new clean build .. with maybe an outdated openembedded try ,, how ueseles .. sigh |
| 14:09.01 | `pwgen` | s/try/tree/ |
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| 14:13.31 | mickey__ | ah, sorry |
| 14:13.34 | mickey__ | no idea bout mokomakefile |
| 14:14.00 | mickey__ | if you're seriously into customizing your distro you might get started with OE direct |
| 14:16.49 | `pwgen` | sure . lets go the old way .. and see what happen after some 115k of xencpusecs... |
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| 14:23.17 | linuxxr | ok lets doit |
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| 14:26.21 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: cooler ringtone on the fso-image |
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| 14:40.40 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r49a23245e775 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get qLog changes and be able to set the time |
| 14:40.40 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r73e5b6fc6cb8 10/packages/dbus/ (dbus-1.0.3/fedora-compile-fix.patch dbus-native_1.0.3.bb): Compile with recent glibc,gcc,headers (e.g. fedora 9) Add a patch to dbus to properly compile on fedora 9. |
| 14:40.41 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd491b233e7c4 10/packages/ipkg-utils/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:40.42 | CIA-45 | openmoko: Make it work on fedora 9. "control.tar.gz" got listed as "`control.tar.gz" The |
| 14:40.44 | CIA-45 | openmoko: root cause is somewhere else in the parser. So this is a workaround that will |
| 14:40.46 | CIA-45 | openmoko: help to find the right file. opkg on the device should use the proper ar |
| 14:40.48 | CIA-45 | openmoko: executable and that should be able to extract the right files. |
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| 14:57.18 | mwester | notices that zecke has been busy with making ASU build on Fedora 9 as well. |
| 14:58.45 | mwester | :( I probably should have been a bit more proactive, and sent those two fixes to the mailing list before zecke had to re-engineer them himself... |
| 14:58.46 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel * r317d58d95cee 10/src/zhone: zhone: Update battery status as soon as the DBus APIs are initialized |
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| 15:27.04 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r656e7465c976 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: efl update to make sure illume updates work |
| 15:27.04 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb2fbfa3560af 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: illume update - new hold to shutdown config and using e features as well as |
| 15:27.06 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rfc26e8f804c3 10/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git.bb: [glamo] Update the origin of glamo, now hosted on git.openmoko.org |
| 15:27.06 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r01b63b8aeff8 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion of opkg, opkg-native, opkg-sdk to 4491 |
| 15:27.09 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8a4448bf9d16 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get qLog changes and be able to set the time |
| 15:27.12 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r18b471c18251 10/packages/dbus/ (dbus-1.0.3/fedora-compile-fix.patch dbus-native_1.0.3.bb): Compile with recent glibc,gcc,headers (e.g. fedora 9) Add a patch to dbus to properly compile on fedora 9. |
| 15:27.16 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r70d2e43e4bc4 10/packages/ipkg-utils/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:27.19 | CIA-45 | openmoko: Make it work on fedora 9. "control.tar.gz" got listed as "`control.tar.gz" The |
| 15:27.21 | CIA-45 | openmoko: root cause is somewhere else in the parser. So this is a workaround that will |
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| 15:27.48 | CIA-45 | openmoko: help to find the right file. opkg on the device should use the proper ar |
| 15:27.48 | CIA-45 | openmoko: executable and that should be able to extract the right files. |
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| 15:31.30 | elfo | hello |
| 15:32.31 | elfo | is openmoko working only on neo1973 and neo frerunner hardware? |
| 15:34.22 | abraxa_ | elfo: In the beginning they also worked on the Dash navi but now they're only working on the Freerunner successor from what I can tell |
| 15:34.52 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * rcdd1a0b56e82 10/odeviced/etc/init.d/odeviced: add runlevel script |
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| 15:36.05 | elfo | cool... i think i will test a little in emulation and eventually buy neo freerunner as soon as it is out / i decided it's worthy :) |
| 15:36.37 | Blastur | how well can freerunner hardware be emulated? |
| 15:36.43 | Blastur | i mean, is it all run inside Qemu? |
| 15:36.57 | Blastur | i thought Qemu was only CPU.. but freerunner has so much more hw |
| 15:37.11 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r48a7e74d74b0 10/odeviced/Makefile.am: add etc/init.d/ to Makefile.am |
| 15:37.17 | elfo | didn't understood very well that... but i'm getting the sources so i will test out |
| 15:38.13 | Sup3rkiddo | Blastur, afaik, OM has a separate branch for qemu |
| 15:38.34 | elfo | I think that mokomakefile gets a fork of qemu with additional hw included |
| 15:38.44 | elfo | ^^ |
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| 15:39.02 | Blastur | is there an interface for Qemu to add new hardware, or do you have to actually go in and heavily modify qemu? |
| 15:39.10 | Sup3rkiddo | Blastur, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu#Neo_FreeRunner_emulation |
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| 15:47.15 | elfo | quite big the sources.... 22% 30Mb (for openembedded) |
| 15:47.29 | elfo | i should have downloaded it from school eheheh |
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| 15:58.49 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r079efd7fd045 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [diversity] Diversity team create a branch for splinter. |
| 15:58.51 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4a0864362fb5 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [diversity] Bump up the reversion of splinter to 433 |
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| 16:23.57 | xzcvczx | is there a library call that an application to use to become fullscreen? |
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| 16:32.30 | spyre | mickeyl: btw let me know once fso otapi has had a lot of big changes or has been stable for a while and I'll update gsmd2 |
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| 16:33.42 | mickeyl | spyre: will do for sure. i'll send mails for everything non-trivial to smartphones-standards |
| 16:37.40 | spyre | mickeyl: great :) I want to minimize the work on keeping up to date with fso otapi |
| 16:37.49 | mickeyl | understood |
| 16:38.14 | spyre | ..when working on my spare time |
| 16:39.37 | xzcvczx | is there any sort of real keyboard in the april images? |
| 16:39.46 | XorA|gone | yes |
| 16:40.09 | xzcvczx | how do you start it? |
| 16:41.54 | XorA|gone | should start automatically |
| 16:42.03 | XorA|gone | otherwise click on the qwerty bit |
| 16:42.25 | XorA|gone | anyway I iss off |
| 16:42.34 | xzcvczx | XorA|gone: i get a keyboard starting up but its only a multi-touch |
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| 16:42.52 | xzcvczx | with small letters caps and numbers on a 4x3 |
| 16:43.16 | xzcvczx | with backspace a forward arrow and a enter/equal etc |
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| 16:44.23 | admiral0 | hello |
| 16:44.55 | admiral0 | how do you start the console on the emulattor? |
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| 16:46.24 | admiral0 | *emulator |
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| 16:58.31 | sontek | was wondering if you guys know when the devkits will be for sale again |
| 16:58.55 | sandman__ | admiral0: + (bottom middle) > Applications > Terminal |
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| 17:03.21 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * ra7d4eea2248b 10/framework/controller.py: Allow overriding config options form the commandline |
| 17:03.21 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * r7415ad75b818 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Use the config file to select the modemtype |
| 17:03.37 | mickeyl | shoragan: yay! |
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| 17:08.22 | admiral0 | thanks |
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| 17:13.24 | admiral0 | no + on the bottom middle |
| 17:13.51 | admiral0 | i've got enlightment |
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| 17:17.55 | admiral0 | how do i get the "old" matchbox UI on the emulator |
| 17:17.58 | admiral0 | ? |
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| 19:28.15 | mwester | mickey|dinner: What distro do I select to build fso? (I've found the sane srcrevs stuff for fso, but no distro conf files are obvious to me) |
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| 19:30.51 | kelvie | do you need the debug board to develop apps on the freerunner? |
| 19:31.03 | doc|home | kelvie: nope |
| 19:31.18 | kelvie | doc|home: what exactly is it used for then? |
| 19:31.20 | mjr | on the FR there's very little you need it for |
| 19:31.22 | kelvie | running a debugger? |
| 19:31.23 | kelvie | ah |
| 19:31.42 | kelvie | and also, is a lot of the software qt based now? |
| 19:31.43 | mjr | GTA01, a bit more, namely reflashing if you brick your device |
| 19:31.45 | doc|home | kelvie: much lower level stuff, I think it's for if you brick your phone |
| 19:31.49 | kelvie | ah |
| 19:32.07 | mjr | the FreeRunner OTOH cannot be bricked (if you don't have the debug board, in which case you can also unbrick ;) |
| 19:32.07 | kelvie | I've read some news articles and blog posts about switching over to Qt for a lot of things, but nothing official |
| 19:32.16 | kelvie | hehe good to know |
| 19:32.49 | mjr | yes, apparently at least for the time being (nobody knows what time being) Qtopia stuff will be used for the phone side |
| 19:33.05 | kelvie | ah cool |
| 19:33.15 | mjr | but on top of X, so it's not as restrictive as Qtopia normally is |
| 19:34.15 | mjr | there is some integration issues with the qtopia stack, mostly the long-term plan is to either work qtopia so that it'll integrate better with other stuff or replace it over time with other stuff... |
| 19:34.27 | pjj_ | the vids I've seen of the freerunner on youtube has the same software as what is going to be shipped? (webbrowser etc) |
| 19:34.42 | mjr | or that's the picture I've gotten from the outside here |
| 19:34.57 | kelvie | interesting |
| 19:35.11 | kelvie | isn't there a lot of existing gtk+ code? |
| 19:35.16 | kelvie | is that all going to get re-written? |
| 19:35.28 | mjr | yes there is; it still runs. |
| 19:35.47 | mjr | OM are tending towards EFL these days for in-house code too... |
| 19:36.03 | mjr | so it's a hopefully happy mish-mash for now with its boons and banes |
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| 19:36.47 | mjr | anyway most of the gtk stuff was phone stuff anyway for which replacements are readily available on the qt side, once they get fixed... |
| 19:41.52 | kelvie | so both libraries are installed and loaded into memory on the phone? |
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| 19:51.24 | balrog-kun | yeah :/ |
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| 20:58.04 | goodwill | hmmm, trying to get qemu to run here |
| 20:58.09 | goodwill | its horribly slow it seems |
| 21:00.22 | zlfita | it's slow for sure |
| 21:00.35 | goodwill | no kqemu? |
| 21:00.58 | mjr | that's only for x86 on x86 |
| 21:01.03 | goodwill | yeah |
| 21:01.06 | goodwill | thought so |
| 21:01.10 | zlfita | mine said "yes" for kqemu when configuring |
| 21:01.30 | goodwill | hmmm...the menu is off screen |
| 21:02.36 | goodwill | zlfita: really? |
| 21:03.00 | goodwill | zlfita: did it build it? and it loaded? |
| 21:04.11 | goodwill | this is strange...its liek its all 8 bit display |
| 21:04.14 | mjr | pfft, don't read too much into it |
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| 21:04.51 | mjr | it's just available for building a x86/x86 qemu binary |
| 21:05.02 | goodwill | Assissin does not startup |
| 21:05.18 | goodwill | I get some kinda of Application executing screen |
| 21:05.25 | goodwill | but its black inside |
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| 21:06.14 | goodwill | sweet!! mine hunt works :) |
| 21:06.50 | zlfita | did you manage to get a network connetion with your emulated 1973? |
| 21:06.55 | goodwill | not yet |
| 21:07.08 | goodwill | I've been trying to do qemu for last day |
| 21:07.12 | goodwill | this is my first foray |
| 21:07.22 | goodwill | is assassin a terminal? |
| 21:07.34 | zlfita | wiki tells us to type some stuff to console but there is no console we can type |
| 21:08.03 | goodwill | how do I actually close an application |
| 21:08.10 | zlfita | the only console is giving lots of verbose output |
| 21:08.14 | zlfita | dunno |
| 21:08.18 | goodwill | hey seem to stay in the background |
| 21:08.23 | zlfita | i just switch between them |
| 21:08.35 | mjr | short press of the power button; dunno what works for that in qemu... |
| 21:08.51 | goodwill | space and enter |
| 21:08.56 | goodwill | neither works |
| 21:09.24 | mjr | or has that changed since om2... |
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| 21:09.29 | zlfita | that's because after it boots, it mounts your real keyboard as a virtual USB device to the virtual ceel phone |
| 21:09.38 | goodwill | om2 |
| 21:09.47 | zlfita | so, your space bar becomes a real space bar |
| 21:10.45 | zlfita | and i have no idea what happens to the power or aux buttons |
| 21:10.45 | goodwill | thats sad |
| 21:11.37 | goodwill | zlfita: have you any tips for qemu stuff? |
| 21:11.47 | zlfita | it's nice you can directly type from your keyboard but there is no way to wake it up when the device suspends |
| 21:12.00 | goodwill | yeah, I found that out |
| 21:12.09 | zlfita | goodwill: sorry, i am a n00b myself |
| 21:12.18 | goodwill | I really surprized assasin does not work |
| 21:12.26 | goodwill | I mean what am I supposed to without a shell |
| 21:12.31 | goodwill | I am not an animal ;) |
| 21:12.39 | zlfita | my assasin works but it's useless due to lack of net connection |
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| 21:14.00 | zlfita | and i cannot set up a network because i have no shell |
| 21:14.01 | goodwill | I am hoping it will all work in GTA2 |
| 21:14.16 | zlfita | and it seems i cannot get a shell without a connection |
| 21:14.21 | goodwill | and I suspect it will be faster too |
| 21:14.21 | zlfita | me too |
| 21:14.39 | goodwill | though we need 2 more people for a 10 pack |
| 21:15.00 | zlfita | i'm also hoping to buy a freerunner when it;s out |
| 21:15.09 | zlfita | where are you? |
| 21:15.15 | goodwill | Los Angeles |
| 21:16.44 | goodwill | I can wait to show GPS on FreeRunner to my iPhone friends |
| 21:16.54 | zlfita | iphone sux |
| 21:16.55 | goodwill | so they would cry a little ;) |
| 21:17.15 | goodwill | yeah, no way I am gettign that |
| 21:17.23 | goodwill | its even worse in US...contract crap |
| 21:18.06 | pjj_ | i'm gonna buy the freerunner when it's out |
| 21:18.08 | SpeedEvil | Can't get an iphone without a contract now. |
| 21:18.10 | zlfita | a frien of mine bought one from UK with some stupid lock |
| 21:18.20 | SpeedEvil | Apart from some odd third-world countries :) |
| 21:18.24 | zlfita | and had to crack to use it here in The Netherlands |
| 21:18.50 | goodwill | which reminds me...does anyone know why does Neo have a hoop? |
| 21:19.00 | goodwill | what was the thought patter behind tha |
| 21:19.00 | goodwill | t |
| 21:19.10 | goodwill | seems liek waste of valuable space |
| 21:19.45 | mwester-laptop | anti-mugging device |
| 21:20.05 | SpeedEvil | It's to put the lanyard through. |
| 21:20.06 | zlfita | sorry, what is a hoop? |
| 21:20.08 | mwester-laptop | attach a lanyard, and swing it around your head as necessary |
| 21:20.10 | SpeedEvil | You use it like a bola. |
| 21:20.43 | goodwill | zlfita: its that hole in the neo |
| 21:21.22 | mwester-laptop | It's been noted that the semi-circular ends and the hole are poor design features in terms of efficiency of space. |
| 21:21.32 | zlfita | perhaps somebody thought i would look cool |
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| 21:22.57 | Bish | grr, the topic makes me aggressiv |
| 21:23.02 | Bish | from year to year -_- |
| 21:23.42 | goodwill | any thoughts on the gphone/android? |
| 21:24.02 | goodwill | that whole Apache license bugs me a bit |
| 21:25.53 | goodwill | I fully expect companies not to share code |
| 21:26.17 | zlfita | that thing is a bit strange |
| 21:26.34 | zlfita | first of all, android is just a software platform, right? |
| 21:26.38 | goodwill | right |
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| 21:27.10 | mjr | I think it's not very interesting, though one will probably "have" to support it... |
| 21:27.23 | goodwill | ? |
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| 21:27.42 | zlfita | althoug the idea of an "open handset alliance" is good |
| 21:28.02 | zlfita | i doubt they will have anyhthing open and useful |
| 21:28.46 | mjr | "The Apache license allows manufacturers and mobile operators to innovate using the platform without the requirement to contribute those innovations back to the open source community. Because these innovations and differentiated features can be kept proprietary, manufacturers and mobile operators are protected from the "viral infection" problem often associated with other licenses." |
| 21:29.03 | mjr | "industry players can add proprietary functionality to their products based on Android without needing to contribute anything back to the platform. As the entire platform is open, companies can remove functionality if they choose." |
| 21:29.14 | goodwill | yeah |
| 21:29.19 | mjr | from Open Handset Alliance's FAQ |
| 21:29.25 | goodwill | and there was that whole bit about how google will make them sahre |
| 21:29.31 | zlfita | read: only name is "open" |
| 21:30.17 | mjr | anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if Neo would be the first open Android phone, _if_ they actually free it and somebody ports it... |
| 21:30.41 | goodwill | so technically you should be able to get an android compatible system and install a different Android "distro" on it |
| 21:30.53 | goodwill | except I think that telcos will tivo it to the hardware |
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| 21:31.06 | mjr | seems fairly likely |
| 21:31.10 | goodwill | drivers and all |
| 21:31.22 | mjr | the openness of android isn't really designed to reach the end user |
| 21:31.26 | goodwill | like: you want to use gps...hahaha...use our locked android stuff |
| 21:31.50 | SpeedEvil | I personally don't have a problem with that aspect of it? |
| 21:31.52 | mjr | (the supposed openness, even, as the core's not been freed still, afaik) |
| 21:31.53 | zlfita | exactly |
| 21:31.54 | SpeedEvil | I personally don't have a problem with that aspect of it. |
| 21:32.01 | SpeedEvil | As long as the user is informed? |
| 21:32.19 | SpeedEvil | s/?/./ |
| 21:32.37 | goodwill | same reason there is nto really linux on iphone |
| 21:32.41 | zlfita | the thing is, what they claim to be open, it probably won't be |
| 21:33.27 | goodwill | I think the google reason for doing this is just to make g-apps and such available on every phone |
| 21:33.34 | goodwill | they coudl nto care less if its closed or open |
| 21:33.37 | zlfita | probably |
| 21:33.42 | goodwill | its a safe bet too |
| 21:33.43 | mjr | 'course |
| 21:34.16 | zlfita | google looks like a free software supporter |
| 21:35.01 | zlfita | but probably they just use the community for a low cost platform |
| 21:35.19 | goodwill | well they are a corporation...its to be expected |
| 21:35.49 | russellb | corporations are not evil by definition |
| 21:35.52 | goodwill | no |
| 21:35.56 | russellb | but they do have an objective of making a profit |
| 21:35.57 | goodwill | they are just more prone to it |
| 21:36.02 | russellb | heh |
| 21:36.02 | SpeedEvil | russellb: unless it's in the charter. |
| 21:36.05 | zlfita | but they have to be evil to prevail |
| 21:36.08 | russellb | SpeedEvil: :) |
| 21:36.39 | goodwill | google already started closing down some API |
| 21:36.44 | russellb | though they do have the objective to make a profit. and open source is obviously superior :) |
| 21:36.54 | goodwill | I suspect bandwidth constraints are high even for them |
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| 21:37.09 | SpeedEvil | Some API? |
| 21:37.19 | goodwill | they used to have liek search api I believe |
| 21:37.27 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 21:37.35 | goodwill | google maps is now constraint to certain amount of hits |
| 21:38.13 | russellb | may be performance reasons .. |
| 21:38.29 | russellb | as much as it seems like they have unlimited resources :) |
| 21:38.33 | SpeedEvil | what do you mwan by hits? |
| 21:38.50 | mjr | Publically traded corporations have an obligation, in many countries, at least, to make a profit, indeed. Aside other considerations. This does not make them evil, but it does make them sociopaths, and sociopaths are highly likely to be evil :] |
| 21:38.53 | SpeedEvil | If you mean downloading map tiles, they probabl,y have a license to show x tiles/year to users. |
| 21:39.17 | SpeedEvil | Map vendors are bastards on copyright. |
| 21:39.55 | russellb | bastards! |
| 21:40.36 | goodwill | their search quality has been going down too |
| 21:40.42 | SpeedEvil | is a bit annoyed that the UK government spun out OS as a self-financing organisation, not just made that data available to the public. |
| 21:40.54 | SpeedEvil | Ordinace Survey |
| 21:40.58 | goodwill | like there are large number of times when it says liek 10 pages in the search result |
| 21:41.06 | goodwill | you cick on 10 it liek lands you on 7 |
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| 21:48.53 | goodwill | anyone has the GTA01 now? |
| 21:54.38 | goodwill | wow, I'd go to the OpenMoko booth in San Fran this august if the ticket were not so expensive |
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| 21:54.48 | goodwill | $500 for a day |
| 21:54.59 | goodwill | thats flipping ridiculous |
| 21:59.10 | russellb | what conf |
| 22:02.04 | goodwill | russellb: http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/ LinuxWorld 2008 , August 04-07, 2008 | Moscone Center, San Francisco, CA | Openmoko will have a booth with Michael, Harry, and Steve presence. |
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| 22:02.52 | russellb | ah |
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| 22:34.39 | paulproteus | goodwill, You can always get free conference hall passes to LinuxWorld. |
| 22:34.46 | paulproteus | $500 is to attend the big talks and so forth. |
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| 23:44.39 | goodwill | so what I do not understand is why qemu image only has a few apps |
| 23:44.44 | elfo | mmm i just did make setup on /home/moko (and was fine), edited build/conf/local.conf with MACHINE=x86, build_arch i686 |
| 23:44.44 | goodwill | its a bit confusing |
| 23:45.02 | elfo | then make toolchain (or any other make) tells me: NOTE: Out of date cache found, rebuilding... |
| 23:45.09 | elfo | ERROR: no files to build. |
| 23:45.21 | elfo | can someone help me on that? |
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| 23:45.54 | goodwill | paulproteus: conference hall? do I get to walk around and see all the booths? |
| 23:45.57 | elfo | i want a toolchain on my openmoko-dedicated chroot |
| 23:46.18 | elfo | then maybe testing a developer-image on Xephyr |
| 23:46.27 | goodwill | *blinks* |
| 23:46.40 | goodwill | elfo: whatch ya doing? |
| 23:47.44 | elfo | i want to rebuild the openmoko toolchain |
| 23:47.55 | goodwill | ah |
| 23:48.00 | elfo | normaly you do that by "make toolchain" in /home/moko with mokoMakefile |
| 23:48.06 | goodwill | is a total openmoko n00b |
| 23:48.13 | elfo | (first time playing with mokomakefile, though) |
| 23:48.20 | elfo | goodwill: same here |
| 23:48.20 | goodwill | yeah me too |
| 23:48.25 | goodwill | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LgAKBOWSvE&feature=related |
| 23:48.28 | goodwill | I can not get to this |
| 23:48.38 | elfo | where are you stuck? |
| 23:48.39 | goodwill | I get like a crappy interface |
| 23:48.47 | goodwill | well I got it to run |
| 23:48.54 | goodwill | GTA01 qemu emulated |
| 23:49.09 | goodwill | but all I get is a few icons and they do nto work very well |
| 23:49.16 | goodwill | wiki is not helping |
| 23:50.00 | elfo | how did you get that? |
| 23:50.04 | goodwill | did you get it to the stage where it actually looks liek a decent openmoko phone? |
| 23:50.07 | elfo | compiling things with mokomakefile? |
| 23:50.11 | elfo | no |
| 23:50.17 | elfo | i'm stuck just after make setup |
| 23:50.36 | elfo | make setup is fine, but i can't get no further (maybe i re-check my build/conf/local.conf) |
| 23:50.42 | goodwill | I followed wiki instructions, I did both manual and use openmoko makefile |
| 23:50.48 | goodwill | me sad |
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| 23:51.16 | elfo | did manual worked? |
| 23:51.20 | elfo | k |
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| 23:51.57 | elfo | i try with "from scratch" |
| 23:52.13 | elfo | 2007.2 |
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| 23:55.12 | goodwill | ? |
| 23:55.24 | goodwill | I got it to boot and all |
| 23:55.38 | goodwill | it just does not seem liek te image I got is recent or anything |
| 23:56.47 | goodwill | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3lkfleG_O0 |
| 23:56.49 | goodwill | nothign like this |
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| 23:59.48 | goodwill | its obviously possible |
| 23:59.50 | goodwill | http://myrtg.blogspot.com/2008/04/openmoko-under-qemu.html |
| 23:59.57 | goodwill | II am just lost as to how |