IRC log for #openmoko on 20080617

00:00.14mmontourYes. It will ship with a version of the old "2007.2" software image that should have basic functionality (e.g. making a phone call), but users will have to update later when the new software is ready.
00:01.18epsinoahhh, very interesting
00:01.41epsinodo you know how to load the image of it with an emulator ?!
00:01.52epsinoi follow the web instructions
00:02.09epsinoto get the openmoko emultaor running with qemu
00:02.38epsinobut, the image is not the same that all videos and pictures show
00:02.38mmontourI don't use qemu but other people have discussed it here. You can check the logs for this channel.
00:02.47mmontour!logs
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00:03.20epsinowhich emulator do you use ?
00:03.55mmontourI just use a real GTA01 phone
00:04.40epsinoooo, i can see that you are a happy man ! ;)
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02:25.56*** topic/#openmoko by findlay -> A
02:26.05findlaycrap
02:26.14findlaystupid keyboard
02:26.29summatusmentisclaps
02:26.31summatusmentis:)
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02:26.59findlayhaha
02:28.26findlayanybody have a copy of the old topic?  I can't find it in my logs
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02:32.44jeffszusz'lo gents
02:48.14findlayhm, I can't seem to find the topic in the official logs either
02:48.26findlayI guess we'll never know what it is
02:50.52ljptopic was this: No, Freerunner is not out yet. Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates . | ASU means April Software Update and is coming soon
02:51.51*** topic/#openmoko by findlay -> No, Freerunner is not out yet. Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates . | ASU means April Software Update and is coming soon
02:52.08findlaythanks ljp
02:56.05jeffszuszis currently obsessed with this phone now
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03:00.34hfsplusI am waiting to be able to buy one
03:00.38hfsplusI dont want to get an iPhone
03:00.45hfsplusi'd like phone open source :)
03:00.49hfsplus+my
03:01.48summatusmentisjeffszusz: I get the feeling... I wish I had better gsm coverage
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03:30.26jeffszuszhmm
03:30.36jeffszuszwhy do people not have good GSM coverage?
03:30.41jeffszuszare the GSM networks in the US not very good?
03:30.46jeffszuszor are you in the boonies?
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03:34.10rohjeffszusz they have more boonies there
03:34.32rasterbooooooooons
03:35.47jeffszuszhas a vision of mobile supertux
03:36.19jeffszuszand DOOM perhaps
03:37.13mwesterroh: great answer!  :D
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03:49.38joschjOERG, ping
03:49.59joschstill not there?
03:50.12joschbut i gave him his proper 4h of sleep!
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03:55.46joschhm... i'm not good at reading alsa state files but i fail to see the setting that could result in the left channel being too loud
03:56.12rasterbada-bing!
03:56.14joschhas anybody else knowlegde of this "bug" ?
03:56.20joschbadda-bong!!
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03:59.46CIA-47openmoko: 03zecke * rd4bc95fcdd5f 10/src/applications/qtmail/ (accountlist.cpp qtmail.pro): [sms] Restore SMS functionality while keeping MMS disabled
03:59.47CIA-47openmoko: 03zecke * r21e4b9f6e3f4 10/src/server/phone/callscreen/themed/callscreen.cpp: [phone] We showed (-1) as CallID to the user. We don't want to do that (#1441)
03:59.55joschthey say that output to speakers and headphones is not possible at the same time
04:00.00joschso why do i have it
04:00.08joschi dont want both :P
04:00.41rasteryou dont want your phone to be ultra-noisy?
04:00.44rasterwhy dont
04:00.48rasterisnt thatthe point f a phone
04:00.54rasterto be noisyand annoy everyone around you?
04:01.57joschhm... i only want it to get right output for my headphones
04:02.00joschnothing else
04:02.02summatusmentisraster: new keyboard?
04:02.11joschthis is possible with stereoout.state
04:02.13joschbut
04:02.24joschthen it also outputs to the internal speakers
04:03.24rastersummatusmentis: ?
04:03.57summatusmentisjust lack of spaces where there should be, and some spaces where there shouldn't :) no worries
04:04.07raster?
04:04.16summatusmentis<PROTECTED>
04:04.21rasterooh
04:04.24rasterin what i typed
04:04.29summatusmentisI'm just in a weird mood, ignore me
04:04.33rasteri dont much like this kbd
04:04.41rasterbut its better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick
04:05.16joschthen i was told that there is a bug that the output of the left speaker channel is too loud (have this one)
04:05.17kdean06I'm having issues building an asu.stable image for 02 using MokoMakefile. I've followed the wiki instructions and the failure is always at the same point. I'm sure it's something missing from my build environment but I'm not sure. Can anyone help me resolve this? Tail end of the error -> http://pastebin.ca/1048723
04:07.37rasterdunno anything of the alsa/audio stuff
04:10.01mwesterkdean06:  Are you using monotone or git?
04:10.30kdean06I would assume Git, I thought MokoMakefile had been updated to use it.
04:10.53mwesterHmmm... ok.  Well:
04:10.58mwesterXorA> emdete: oh, if you build from OE it wont be changed, you need to change preffered gmp-native to 4.2.2
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04:11.27mwester<XorA> prefferred-om-2008-versions.inc
04:14.15mwesterHmmm.... the git version still defaults to 4.2.1 -- so XorA|gone needs to take another look at that and bump it.  In any case, you have a newer compiler I bet, so you'll have to make that change yourself and see if it helps.
04:14.56kdean06Where would I make that change?
04:15.13kdean06I don't see an existing variable and didn't see a preferred file.
04:16.29mwesteropenembedded/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc
04:16.46kdean06Sorry, just found it.
04:16.47kdean06Thanks!
04:17.04kdean06Shoulda grepped the broken version number. :P
04:20.33daMaestroanyone have the link to install multiple images on the SD?
04:21.04daMaestroi'm flashing my device for fudcon tonight and really want to bring the gtk, qtopic and asu already installed
04:21.17joschwow is this possible?
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04:24.20daMaestrojosch, so i've been told
04:25.26daMaestrohmm might be gta02 only
04:25.59daMaestrohttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD :-D
04:28.09daMaestrohttp://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080616-om-gta01-testlab/ should really have the defconfig
04:28.53daMaestroah.. as of 2008-02-10 everything is good to go
04:28.58joschi now tried all alsa state file - the only ones working with headphone jack are stereoout.state (not only on headset but also on speakers) and voipheadset.state (left channel too loud)
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04:30.13joschi cannot imagine that nobody is using the neo to play music :P
04:30.45kdean06josch, I use it for podcasts every day.
04:31.11joschdo you use the headset?
04:31.21kdean06Not direcly.
04:31.28josch?
04:31.28kdean06I plug the Neo up to my car stereo.
04:31.42joschthe same ;)
04:31.43kdean06Are you talking about the still plays loud when headphones are in?
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04:32.04joschi manuall select the state files
04:32.28joschi need one that correct outputs only on the headset
04:32.34joschand not the internal speakers
04:32.53joschstereoout.state correctly outputs to headset but also to speakers
04:33.10joschvoip.state does not output to speakers but wrong to headset
04:33.23joschkdean06, could you lend me your state files?
04:34.12kdean06No, not I can't.
04:34.40josch:(
04:34.43kdean06I'm using whichever ones are on the latest "official" Qtopia image, but my device is at work. :S
04:35.12joschso i have to search for the asu state files?
04:35.21daMaestrois flashing with the latest qtopia image
04:35.31kdean06I mean Qtopia, not ASU.
04:35.32daMaestrokdean06, how do you get the device to network via usb?
04:35.41joschkdean06, oh
04:35.51kdean06josch, If you find anything on that bug -> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1377
04:36.11daMaestroi had hotplug event scripts to autoconfigure usbN on my host box... something similar?
04:36.29joschkdean06, well this is improper eventhandling - nothing more i think
04:36.31kdean06daMaestro, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking. I plug it in and forward DNS using iptables.
04:36.49joschdaMaestro, i use dnrd all the time
04:36.54joschtry it - it's rly simple
04:37.13daMaestroah, so the old settings are still true?
04:37.24daMaestro192.168.0.201 and .200
04:37.24kdean06Yes
04:37.28daMaestrocool, simple enough
04:37.32kdean06Plugging a 1973 and Freerunner conflict. :S
04:37.40kdean06I'm too lazy to change the IP address. :P
04:37.42kdean06So I juggle cords.
04:37.43daMaestroshould mean all my scripts still work
04:38.32joschbut does qtopia even relay on alsa state files?
04:39.10CIA-47freesmartphone.org: 03charlie * r6c75b7cc4754 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Added support for dictionary parameters
04:39.18daMaestrohttp://fpaste.org/paste/2858
04:39.54joschokay - i'm off to work now
04:39.56joschbye!
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05:00.59kdean06mwester, I'm getting a build failure again, same place. Though I noticed (after cleaning and rerunning) that preferred version of 4.2.2 is not available.
05:01.10kdean06It's trying to build 4.2.1-rc2
05:04.40daMaestroomfg, eothwin
05:06.29daMaestrohttp://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080616-om-gta01-testlab/ get's the big o' +1 from me
05:06.48daMaestroi'm even going to put in a SIM and see if calls work ;-
05:06.50daMaestro;-)
05:06.58daMaestrothe gui is looking nice (and there are icons!)
05:06.58daMaestrolol
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05:12.18mwesterkdean06:  what version of gcc do you have on the build host?
05:12.38kdean064.3.1
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05:12.54mwesterCan you revert to an older one?
05:13.03kdean06Yeah
05:13.11kdean06Got a preferred version?
05:13.16mwesterYou're beyond the bleeding edge, I'm afraid.
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05:13.52mwesterWe'll need to ask XorA|gone very very nicely if he can merge the OE gmp 4.2.2 stuff into the OM git repo.
05:13.53daMaestroyeah.. even fedora 9 only has 4.3.0 ;-)
05:14.18kdean06Yay for Debian being slow!
05:14.22mwesterI'm using 4.1.2 without any problems.
05:14.26kdean06Okay, thanks.
05:14.53mwester(Fedora 7 -- I skip every other Fedora release so I can enjoy a short period of stability now and again!
05:14.55mwester)
05:16.11daMaestromwester, yeah.. and wait just a little while longer for some kernel fixes on f9
05:16.27daMaestromwester, overall it's really, really nice; but there are a few things that get me now and again
05:16.35mwesterI have an old laptop running it right now; seems ok.  What's broken?
05:16.58daMaestrowell.. i blame compiz for all of my rendering issues
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05:17.31daMaestrobut i get very odd lockups with the last kernel (i'm now booting the N-1 kernel)
05:18.06daMaestroand not full lockups.. but like evolution stops responding for a moment (like that is new)
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05:18.33daMaestroff3 hangs every once in a while (and i fixed that by disabling google "safe browsing" backdoor for id0ts)
05:19.03mwesterFirefox has become just like IE at this point :(
05:19.18daMaestroother then that.. my xps m1210 works out of box
05:19.47daMaestroeclipse runs well.. zope runs well... etc
05:19.54daMaestro(can you tell i mainly code in python) ;-)
05:20.42daMaestrocheers for the qtopia switch (as a consumer.. i'm not looked into what it changes as a developer), python and new hardware ;-)
05:20.54daMaestrooh yeah.. and switching to git
05:21.04daMaestrothat pretty much was the candle on the cake so to speak
05:21.56daMaestroso, is there anything super magical i have to do to get okpg to work?
05:23.43daMaestromwester, btw... it's official.. f7 is EOL
05:26.18daMaestrowonders if mickey|zzZZzz went and talked with the Fedora leadership about making fedora a really nice devel env for the OM platform
05:26.25daMaestroalready has almost everything needed packaged
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05:34.38daMaestrohttp://fpaste.org/paste/2861 <-- opkg issues ?
05:35.39daMaestronice, python 2.5.2
05:35.48daMaestrosexy.
05:35.55kdean06I've always gotten those, I've ignored them and used it just fine.
05:36.03kdean06I figure they're obsolete feeds.
05:36.32daMaestrogst-plugins-ugly ... how does FIC get away with shipping that?
05:37.22daMaestrokdean06, what's the vim package name?
05:37.53mwesteropkg install joe   --- then type "jmacs <filename>"    :p
05:38.49kdean06I dunno. :P Vim?
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05:52.43gcb77reflashing neo1973 4th time trying to find an image that works with tangogps (Apr 30 works, but gpsd, possibly libdbus-1-3 seems to cause the failure of the desktop not coming up)
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07:29.49CIA-47openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r535fd5243d11 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] helpbrowser couldn't find index.html (#1465)
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08:04.37Hopscotchgood morning
08:04.47CIA-47openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc4025ba8d16a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade splinter to r427 as of Jeremy's request
08:04.48CIA-47openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * re4d06eed3b30 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [gdbus] Add libgdbus of moblin for connman
08:04.48CIA-47openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2e18ffeda95d 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [connman] Add connman as we want to use it for ASU/exposure
08:04.49CIA-47openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5cb65fc2e3f1 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connman] Split the scripts and plugins into separate packages
08:04.52CIA-47openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r095e5fcd5e07 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connman] Package all d-bus services even if they have weird names
08:04.55CIA-47openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1afef2d3d1be 10/packages/connman/ (connman_git.bb files/connman): [connman] Connman is using a lsb helper for init scripts that OE does not offer
08:04.58CIA-47openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6f97c67e75e0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get various bugfxies
08:05.03CIA-47openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r2d2cf15ffc32 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get various bugfxies
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09:43.12methrilmorning
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10:47.23CIA-47openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r658cef757c20 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): update to wpa_supplicant 0.6.3 (also add 0.6.0 in) and build packages for
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11:18.18staroxI built today git.openmoko.asu.dev for gta01 and it gives me a 66MB image, which is of course too big.
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11:20.38XorAyeah to be expected
11:21.33staroxI don't had time to test it, will try on sd this evening.
11:21.57XorAorg.openmoko.dev builds an image that fits
11:21.58staroxXorA: Will gta01 be supported in the future ?
11:22.04XorAbut is slightly behind in features
11:22.21XorAstarox: probably never officially on that branch
11:22.28staroxIf it is wifi, it doesn't matter :p
11:22.50XorAstarox: I had to tune the org.openmoko.dev image to fit GTA01
11:22.57XorAstarox: so the guys here could see ASU
11:24.18CIA-47openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7c94795092cd 10/packages/e17/ (e-wm_cvs.bb exquisite_cvs.bb): reduce package sizes by removing redundant data. save a few mb.
11:25.24ScaredyCatstarox: have a look in the teslab dir... you should be able to see what's taking up space...
11:25.25staroxXorA: Okay, thanks. I tested ASU last week and wanted to try a bleeding edge rootfs.
11:25.35ScaredyCatah
11:25.36staroxWhat do you remove to get below 53MB
11:25.54XorAgtk+ mostly]
11:26.12XorAalso some fixes like the one raster just did to ASU
11:26.13ScaredyCatpython ass
11:26.28staroxScaredyCat: What is testlab, I notice this new directory, but don't get in
11:26.36staroxis it a rootfs ?
11:26.56ScaredyCatit should show what's in the images
11:27.13XorAits how I worked out how to trim the images
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11:27.39staroxTherically, we could boot from SD ? isn't it ?
11:27.41ScaredyCateg
11:27.42ScaredyCatls Openmoko-openmoko-python-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080611-om-gta01-testlab
11:27.42ScaredyCatdepends.dot                           depends-nokernel-nolibc-noupdate-nomodules.dot
11:27.42ScaredyCatdepends-nokernel.dot                  files-in-image.txt
11:27.42ScaredyCatdepends-nokernel-nolibc.dot           installed-package-sizes.txt
11:27.42ScaredyCatdepends-nokernel-nolibc-noupdate.dot  installed-packages.txt
11:27.50XorAdoes the curryman dance
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11:28.11ScaredyCatstarox: yes...
11:28.24ScaredyCatuse the tar.gz images for that
11:28.36ScaredyCatgoes back to his acer macbook
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11:44.24methrilScaredyCat are you testing some mac builds?
11:44.40methrili'll try but, i have to put some patches from the poky guys to get it working
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11:45.40ScaredyCatI'm just building my acer macbook. .. then I'll look at building on mac
11:45.54methrilok, i'd like to help
11:45.57methril:)
11:47.27Mekhas anyone seen something like http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/93d5f0ee70d68405f5a14dcea20905bc.png before?
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11:48.43ScaredyCatlooks like a font issue?
11:48.59XorAWOW!
11:49.22Mekyeah... but I have no idea what could be causing it as it only seems to affect Qt applications...
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11:50.26XorAits the new funky theme
11:51.36rasterhahahahahhaa
11:51.47rasterlooks like a font fuckup
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12:19.19CIA-47freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * rb3d44e235f46 10/serial/.gitignore: Ignore generated file in serial/
12:19.20CIA-47freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * ra349b962d944 10/test/ (3 files):
12:19.20CIA-47freesmartphone.org: Implemented libfso network tests
12:19.20CIA-47freesmartphone.org: Fixed libfso call tests
12:19.22CIA-47freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * rc5a8241d565d 10/ (50 files in 5 dirs):
12:19.23CIA-47freesmartphone.org: Updated SIM interface
12:19.25CIA-47freesmartphone.org: Removed Phonebook stuff
12:19.27CIA-47freesmartphone.org: Increased libfreesmartphone coverage
12:19.29CIA-47freesmartphone.org: check_tests.py passes now also with libfreesmartphone
12:19.31CIA-47freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * r2bbdfebc3065 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Removed more phonebook stuff
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12:59.02opendeepI am a newbie to openmoko, Any body tell me how to do bug fixing?
12:59.40SpeedEvil<PROTECTED>
12:59.47SpeedEvilWhat bug?
12:59.55SpeedEvilAnd do you have the skills to generate a patch?
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13:07.07ahvenif "any body" is understandable then "any corpse" must be as well? :)
13:07.40CIA-47freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * r6553e40d3dcf 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs):
13:07.40CIA-47freesmartphone.org: Added generic vendor
13:07.40CIA-47freesmartphone.org: Added missing sms_index command line option
13:09.34Mekthe difference being that body could be alive, yet corpse somehow implies being dead...
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13:29.24XorAgets OM booting using mdev to populate /dev and saving 10s on boot time
13:29.38staroxXorA: sweet :)
13:30.52SpeedEvil:)
13:31.07SpeedEvilWhat's the SD read speed on GTA02?
13:31.42SpeedEvilActual proper suspend-flash would be nice.
13:31.43Mekdidn't that depend on how much you are trying to send to the videoram/screen at the same time? :)
13:31.47SpeedEvilSure.
13:31.56SpeedEvilI as meaning suspend to 'disk'.
13:37.10opendeepSpeedEvil:I want to work on openmoko bugs, So how can I take one bug from trac and make patch for that?
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13:47.42CIA-47freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r4991bf64b3a2 10/src/zhone: zhone: repair call status display
13:47.43CIA-47freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r1b804c064522 10/data/images/ (button_contacts.png button_power.png button_sms.png): zhone: remove buttons, add 'NYI' text
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14:41.07wurp2SpeedEvil: 7MB/sec, no?
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14:41.35wurp2(SD read speed on gta02 - it's the same (shared) number causing all the grief re: video)
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14:55.43spydonwurp2, if it's that causing the video pb can't you upload the video to RAM first and then watch it?
14:56.49wurp2spydon: I'm not sure of the bus arrangement - is the constrained bus also the one between the glamo & the ram?
14:57.12wurp2spydon: But at any rate, you can put the video on the flash drive and watch from there, which helps
14:57.22wurp2but the bus width is still only 7 MB/sec
14:57.35spydonah now I understand
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14:57.41spydontoo bad
14:58.08wurp2Which is barely enough for ~25 fps 320x240, if my brain did the math right
14:58.32wurp2but that assumes that you don't send anything else through
14:59.06wurp2Anyway, balrog-kun already has mpeg4 playing back in 320x240 at ~20 fps iirc, using glamo mpeg4 acceleration
14:59.20wurp2and that shouldn't use much of the bus
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15:48.56pykniteso finally, the freerunner will run qtopia, gtk or both?
15:49.07CVirusboth
15:49.19pykniteoki
15:49.25CVirusQT, GTK, EFL
15:49.38pyknitein the same time? (I don't know if it's possible)
15:49.47CViruswhy not ?
15:50.08CVirusI think the default will be QT and EFL apps
15:50.16CVirusbut yet you can run anything else .. like GTK
15:50.17pyknitehum, after reflexion, my question was stupid ;)
15:50.41zashbut, wx?
15:51.05CVirusI think it can run anything !
15:51.17CViruswhat's the barrier .. I wonder
15:51.26rasterpyknite: of course its possible
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15:51.48CIA-47freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r154905c27008 10/ (TODO odeviced/modules/idlenotifier.py): python-odeviced: increase default timeouts for idlenotifier
15:51.48CIA-47freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r8626e81d45ea 10/odeviced/modules/idlenotifier.py: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:python-odeviced
15:52.04CVirusraster: ASU uses kdrive ?
15:52.21rasterCVirus: yes
15:52.32pyknitethink about something usefull to code for my futur freerunner ;)
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15:52.36rasteras have all om os productions
15:52.41CVirusraster: what other choices have we got ?
15:52.54rastergiven what restrictions?
15:53.09CVirusmemory maybe
15:53.23rasterok
15:53.25rasterso none
15:53.27rasteranything
15:53.29CVirushmm
15:53.32rasterwe could run full xorg
15:53.41CVirushehe
15:53.43rasterkdrive is just a small xserver - built from the same xorg code
15:53.48rasterjust driver is compiled-in
15:53.54CVirusI know
15:53.54rasteras are many other things
15:53.59rastercould use drirectfb
15:54.05rasterand even put xdirectfb on top
15:54.10rastercould just write to framebuffer
15:54.12rasterywindows
15:54.18CIA-47freesmartphone.org: 03mlauer * rce4167ba4b61 10/otapi/xhtml/ (9 files): Open Telephony API: check in xhtml files, so we can link from the wiki
15:54.21rasterpicogui...
15:54.31rasteri mean with no restrictions.. anything goes
15:54.46CVirussure thing
15:55.05rasterwhen i started with linux my p120 has 32m ram
15:55.08rasterand i ran x
15:55.11rasterall day - every day
15:55.16rastermy friends had liux and x
15:55.18rasteron 486'sd
15:55.22rasterwith 8mb ram
15:55.27rasterxfree86
15:55.48rasterso as such - i dontsee that there are any restrictions on a device with 128m ram
15:55.49raster:)
15:56.03rasterin terms of what CAN run
15:56.08rasterits "what do you want to do"
15:56.23raster"what quality (speed/fidelity/effects) do you expect?"
15:56.50CViruswhy not run xfree86 on the freerunner ?
15:56.55CVirusinstead of kdrive
15:57.01CVirusif this will improve memory consumption
15:57.09rasterwhy SHOULD we use xfree86?
15:57.14rasterit wont
15:57.27rasterkdrive uses almost nothing
15:57.28CViruswhy do people hate xfree86 ?
15:57.30SpeedEvilI've use xfree86 on a 12M machine.
15:57.32rasterdo the stats
15:57.34rasterand i mean real stats
15:57.42rasterkdrive consumes about 1-2mb ram
15:57.48raster(alloced)
15:57.51CViruswow
15:57.58rasterand the rest is dnamically paged libs and exec
15:58.17rasterso maybe a footprint of 1mb u want for decent perf on top of that
15:58.22rasterso really id' say 2-2.5mb
15:58.26rasterits not much
15:58.30SpeedEvilXIP++
15:59.03rasterSpeedEvil:  positives and negatives
15:59.12rasterputs a lot of nasty restrictions on your filesystem
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15:59.28SpeedEvilAnd your memory subsystem.
15:59.30rasteralso means unless your flahs is REALLY fast u'l have severe perfroamnce penalties
15:59.35rasterand our flash is abysmally slow
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15:59.41rastereven compared to our ram
15:59.44SpeedEvilYeah - nand it's silly.
15:59.59rasterits a cutre idea though
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16:01.32rasterdynamic paging is enough
16:01.38rasterand its more generic
16:01.58SpeedEvilstill wants per-user swap. But meh.
16:02.32rasteron a freerunner?
16:02.37rasteror just in general?
16:02.43SpeedEvilWell - probably not FR.
16:02.48rasterk
16:02.49raster:)
16:02.55rasterswap 0on the fr would be death
16:03.07rasterto sd or flash
16:03.10CVirustrue
16:03.16rasteri'd rather segv's and oom killer kick in
16:03.25Qwelloom-killer...ugh
16:03.27SpeedEvilI'd like to be able to - for example - plug in a fast USB device to swap to, and if it goes away, only the processes run by one user die, not roots too.
16:03.59CViruswhich reminds me that I'm swapping like fuck
16:04.00rasterin honesty - we shoulkd have a userspace "oom" that polls often and when u are really low really intelligently asks what u'd like to quit
16:04.12SpeedEvilYeah.
16:04.17raster(and actually running applications it knows are extraneous like tetris...;)
16:04.27SpeedEvilOr acts other than on knowledge of ps.
16:04.38rasteryes
16:04.40rasterbingo
16:04.49CVirusps ?
16:04.52SpeedEvilFor example, something that can say 'vi - 34M RSS'?
16:04.56rasterso it knows some processes are core system and u cant kill
16:05.02raster(window manager, x, etc.)
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16:05.05SpeedEvilAnd reasonable footprints of stuff.
16:05.11rasterbutg others ae luxury fluff
16:05.23SpeedEvilraster: there is an easy metric.
16:05.23rasterso popup a box and go "whwat fluff dont you want?"
16:05.30SpeedEvilraster: processes owned by root :)
16:05.47rasterthats everything
16:05.53SpeedEvilI know - ATM.
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16:05.59rasterand i'm not going there....
16:06.22rasterthe app can just have a known exception list
16:06.30CVirusraster: SpeedEvil: you guys will come handy when I start brainstorming for ideas for my bachelor project :-D
16:07.02SpeedEvilraster: yeah - something like that. Though it also needs to know that neod > 20m = prompt user to restart system as it's become unstable.
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16:07.08rasterprocesses where /proc/PID/exe point to specific known "this process u just can't kill" are never offered
16:07.30rasteru need to filter down to processes that map directly to an "app"(ie a window or something a user recognises as an app - not some backend daemon)
16:07.47rasterSpeedEvil:  yes. that is true
16:07.49SpeedEvilAnd ideally be able to restart most daemons.
16:07.53rasterit should also know about runaway system procs
16:08.02rasterbut not offer to kill them like "apps"
16:08.06rasterwe need an alternate soln
16:08.15rastermaybe any daemon we have should be able to restart itself
16:08.18rastersa state to disk
16:08.20rasterre-exec
16:08.27rasterpcik up mostly where it left off
16:08.31SpeedEvilThat's the nice idea.
16:08.35rasterx is the hardest to do that with tho
16:08.41rasterit wont be perfect
16:08.44rastercant save 10% state
16:08.47rasterbut if we get most of it
16:08.51rasterwe have minor hiccups
16:09.01rasterwhen we have a mem leak or problem
16:09.05rasterbut no massive system failure
16:09.36rasterall nice stuff we could definitely work on
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16:11.28SpeedEvilcpu boundness and user-responsiveness too. But those can be a little more tricky.
16:12.57SpeedEvilraster: Oh - on a tangent. Do you happen to know if the 2440/2442 can do DMA to/from GPIO ports.
16:13.33rasterhmm
16:13.35rastergood q
16:13.37rasternot sure there
16:14.14SpeedEvilI mean forex DMA from an 8 bit port with a clock line somewhere.
16:14.15SpeedEvilK
16:15.02rastercan't say
16:15.05raster<PROTECTED>
16:15.15tedoare there any gpios available (and reachable) on the pcb of the freerunner?
16:15.15rasteri know it can do dma from devices to ramand back
16:15.15SpeedEvilK - just wondering if you'd noticed it on the datasheet.
16:15.23rasterbut unsure on the limitsof what devices they can be
16:15.25SpeedEviltedo: not really many
16:15.29rasterand i know it does ram->ram dam
16:15.32rasterwhich is useless
16:15.42tedoSpeedEvil: more than 8?
16:15.50SpeedEviltedo: no
16:16.11tedoSpeedEvil: :( thx
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16:16.27SpeedEviltedo: there is I2C and SPI if you want to extend it.
16:16.39SpeedEviltedo: but that's - compartively - low speed.
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16:17.17SpeedEvilOr USB, with the same caveat.
16:17.25rastersnooz!
16:17.37tedoSpeedEvil: ok
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16:25.39Trevelyan`hi, the announce mist archive only goes until set 2007 ?
16:25.49Trevelyan`*list
16:32.40`pwgen`mickeyl: ping ..
16:34.05mickeylpöng
16:34.43wurp2Does anyone know the relationship between ASU and the new framework?
16:34.44Qwellmickeyl: I may kidnap the openmoko guy that's here this week.  Think I'll be able to get any ransom?
16:35.33mickeylransom?
16:35.49Qwellyeah, didn't think so
16:36.03mickeylwurp2: there is no relationship. The Framework will be used in future Om products
16:37.10mickeyli need to go to do some sports. will be back later tonite (after the EU game)
16:37.56wurp2mickey|sports: thx
16:38.16`pwgen`mickeyl: http://pastebin.com/maee8fa7 somet thoughts about moko
16:44.01CIA-47openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r381fab0a47cb 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade exposure to r34 to get profile, suspend, brightness changes
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16:55.22CIA-47openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r674ff4e406ff 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add my sums for dbus-python
16:55.22CIA-47openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4fa8d2a99ed4 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add my sums for for wpa_supplicant
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17:07.23wurp2Does anyone know how to bring down & back up the gsm in such a way that you can make phone calls afterwards?
17:07.54wurp2I've played with AT@POFF, restarting gsmd, powering off & on gsm sys device, etc.
17:08.19wurp2So far nothing I've done would lead to a gsm that would make calls, after e.g. I use gprs
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17:09.48balrog-kunso what errors do you get in gsmd logs when you try to make phonecalls?
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17:15.14wurp2balrog-kun: I haven't looked :-/ ... I never get the 'click' from the phone switching the audio to the gsm
17:15.38wurp2balrog-kun: I believe, but need more testing to confirm, that I can make calls from libgsmd-tool after restart
17:15.45wurp2I just get no sound
17:16.24wurp2It's possible that a simple alsoctl -f /*/*/gsmhandset.state restore is all I need
17:16.33wurp2but it should do that automatically when I dial...
17:17.00wurp2So far my playing with this has been casual, when I could find a few minutes to fiddle with it
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17:24.29balrog-kunwurp2: i see
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17:35.31CIA-47openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re01cd8c4b44e 10/packages/e17/ (e-wm_cvs.bb exquisite_cvs.bb): [e17] bump version after rasters packaging changes
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17:45.03wurp2balrog-kun: So what you mean is, "Why are you asking for help when you haven't even done any real testing, you bum."
17:45.07wurp2:-)
17:46.21balrog-kunwurp2: nah, i agree that the dialer should know how to set up the audio states :p
17:46.28balrog-kunwurp2: that too though :p
17:46.36balrog-kunwurp2: have you tried restarting dialer btw?
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17:48.58CIA-47openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rdc07f26752ed 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): update to wpa_supplicant 0.6.3 (also add 0.6.0 in) and build packages for
17:48.58CIA-47openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r0a8f836bc5d1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: [srcdate] Stay with the 12th of June for EFL
17:48.59CIA-47openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r412359e13ec7 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add my sums for dbus-python
17:49.01CIA-47openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8655202edd5d 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add my sums for for wpa_supplicant
17:49.04CIA-47openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r261ecb3be35b 10/packages/e17/ (e-wm_cvs.bb exquisite_cvs.bb): reduce package sizes by removing redundant data. save a few mb.
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17:50.02wurp2balrog-kun: Yes, in that I've closed the dialer app & started up again
17:50.15wurp2balrog-kun: No, if there is a daemon that I need to restart
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17:50.54balrog-kunwurp2: yeah, there's a daemon i believe
17:51.43balrog-kunin the non asu images i had to killall openmoko-dialer two times i think and then start openmoko-dialer once to start the daemon and once to get it on the screen
17:51.49balrog-kuni don't know how it works now
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18:16.07noonhello
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18:18.30noonwurp2: the rootfs and the kernel you gave me work on the phone. the exciting part is, when i put the sd-card into the device
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18:21.39kdean06Anyone have any info on how to force MokoMakefile to use an earlier gcc version? Setting CC manually doesn't work because CC is unset as part of the build.
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18:23.10XorA|gonekdean06: explain better
18:24.33kdean06XorA|gone, gmp-native won't build using gcc 4.3.1 (which is the default in Sid) but builds just fine using 4.1. When I export CC to prefer 4.1, something (not sure if it's MokoMakefile or bitbake or what) unsets CC along wiht other variables.
18:24.44XorA|gonekdean06: ASU?
18:24.49kdean06asu.stable
18:24.55kdean06For Freerunner
18:25.28XorA|gonekdean06: edit conf/distro/include/prefferred-om-2008-versions.inc and change gmp-native to 4.2.2
18:26.15kdean06Did that, 4.2.2 isn't available, only 4.2.1-rc2
18:26.16kdean06;)
18:26.20cyrilRomainkdean06: http://rafb.net/p/sPQLKX98.html
18:26.23kdean06mwester, Pasted your suggestion. :)
18:26.31kdean06Errr, no comma. :)
18:27.01XorA|gonebah, my bad, I though asu.stable had forked after 4.2.2 was added
18:27.35XorA|gonebitbake cleans the env before proceeding
18:27.46noonwurp2: in uboot i can access the sd-card (mmcinit) and list the files on it (ext2ls mmc 0)
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18:28.24cyrilRomainkdean06: I forgot to bump PR, so 'bitbake -c clean gmp-native' is required before it can build successfully
18:29.25noonwurp2: but when the kernel boots i get a kernel panic
18:30.42kdean06I've got an Etch buildhost setup, so it's building fine without patches or changes, but it's decidedly inconvenient. :P
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18:35.20wurp2noon: So, with the images I gave you, and no sd card plugged in, it boots & works
18:35.27cyrilRomaindoes anyone succeed to run asu.stable or .dev qtopia image in qemu ?
18:35.29wurp2noon: But if you plug in the sd card and boot, it blows up?
18:35.47noonyes
18:36.08wurp2noon: That is a serious bug with the handling of your sd card
18:36.08noonbut i can list the directory in uboot
18:36.14wurp2noon: You should file a bug report
18:36.23wurp2noon: And buy another cheap SD card to tide you over :-(
18:36.34wurp2noon: How big is the card?
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18:36.50noonwurp2: 128MB from sandisk
18:36.59wurp2noon: agh!!
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18:37.17wurp2noon: You can get a 2GB one for < $30
18:37.20SpeedEvil128MB are deprecated.
18:37.21noonwurp2: i have another sd-card, a noname with 128MB
18:37.21wurp2more like $15, I think
18:37.23SpeedEvil:)
18:37.34noonwurp2: and a 2G in my gps
18:37.46wurp2noon: I would try booting with the 2G
18:37.56wurp2noon: And I would throw away the 128 MB one :-)
18:38.06wurp2noon: After filing a bug report w/ the card info in it
18:38.24noonwurp2: why does it matter how big the card is?
18:38.32wurp2noon: Actually, you might keep it around to ship to whoever takes on the bug, if anyone is interested in a gta01 bug with handling a card nobody wants :-)
18:38.55wurp2noon: Well, the way the card is read apparently changes slightly over time
18:39.12wurp2noon: I know there are (or have been) bugs with handling some 8GB cards
18:39.30wurp2noon: I've never heard of someone having trouble with a .5 GB - 2 GB card
18:39.30noonwurp2: i have the fon only borrowd from a friend during his vacation
18:39.41wurp2noon: Ah, bummer
18:40.09wurp2noon: I'll bet it works fine with the 2GB card
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18:42.59wurp2Are there instructions for multi-boot from SD?
18:43.09cb22wants his 8gb microsd
18:43.12tushydhas anyone tried to overclock the gta02?
18:43.14nooni changed the sd and now it's booting
18:43.55XorA|gonetushyd: yes the hardware guys did
18:44.03noonand i get the kernelpanic _with_ the 2G sd-card
18:44.05XorA|gonetushyd: overclocking it makes performance worse
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18:45.08wurp2noon: whoa
18:45.08tushydaw, no fun
18:45.20wurp2noon: Mine boots with a 2G SD card in it, no problem
18:45.23noonwurp2: i can make you a photo
18:45.31XorA|gonetushyd: the ram wont boot overclocked, and the next divider down runs the ram I think 20% slower than normal
18:45.42wurp2noon: I have an ext2 and a fat16 partition on it
18:46.24wurp2noon: I'm not sure it will help for you to make me a photo.  I don't really know much about how gta01 uses the SD card...
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18:46.30noonthe 2G has fat on it. the 128MB has ext2
18:46.53noonthe funny thin is, i can access the sdcard in uboot
18:47.07wurp2I am almost certain uboot uses different code to access SD than the boot kernel does
18:47.14noonso, i thought it is something with the kernel or the kernel commandline
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18:48.00wurp2but I wouldn't expect either of them to fail on a 2GB card unless there was a hw problem, or it was a poorly supported card
18:48.02tushydXorA|gone: that's interesting, although I was hoping I could do some OCing :)
18:48.15wurp2noon: The kernel command line is a good thought...
18:48.31XorA|gonetushyd: well its possible if you live somewhere cold and maybe MP phones are soldered better you might get some luck
18:48.34wurp2noon: Can you connect via uboot and get your BOOTARGS
18:48.35wurp2?
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18:49.00noonyes.
18:49.07wurp2Maybe you're configured to prefer booting from SD, so if it gets an SD with no boot, it fails, but defaults to flash if no SD found
18:49.09noonshould i past them here or in a query?
18:49.20wurp2It should just be one line, so you could put it here
18:49.25tushydhaha, if they ship out in July, I'm in Iowa. Humid, floods, warm weather. No luck for me
18:49.34wurp2If you want to send all env vars, you should use pastebin
18:49.35noonwurp2: bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock4 console=ttySAC0,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8
18:50.15wurp2Anyone know what is /dev/mtdblock4?
18:50.32noonwurp2: http://pastebin.com/m52e0f7dc
18:50.50mmontour/dev/mtdblock4 is the NAND rootfs partition
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18:51.31wurp2noon: Actually, that bootargs is significantly different from mine
18:51.39wurp2noon: I can't access mine right now :-(
18:51.49wurp2noon: But I remember it had a couple of nand clauses in it
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18:51.56wurp2I suspect that's your issue
18:52.21wurp2nm, that's in bootcmd
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18:53.50wurp2mmontour: thx
18:54.17mmontournoon: try adding a "rootdelay=5" parameter to that list. It probably won't help, but you might get lucky (it is needed when booting from SD).
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18:55.16mmontourwurp2: I haven't tried multi-booting from SD, but it should just be a matter of partitioning it and then adding menu entries that refer to each partition (mmcblk0p1 for the first, mmcblk0p2 for the second, etc).
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18:55.26noonmmontour: will try
18:55.37wurp2noon: I don't think I'm going to be able to help you :-(  mmontour is a much better resource :-)
18:55.44wurp2mmontour: Thanks, I'll give that a shot
18:57.22mmontourYou'll also need to pass the partition ID to 'ext2load'. I don't remember the syntax but it should be documented somewhere.
18:58.19mmontourbrb - lunchtime
18:58.25noonmmontour: i don't want to boot from the sd-card
18:58.55noonmmontour: i only want to access files on the sd-card
18:59.55balrog-kunc'mon, everyone wants to boot from SD
19:00.02tomboy64o.O
19:00.09wurp2noon: I'm pretty sure he knew that
19:00.20wurp2noon: He's just suggesting that the delay might help with your issue
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19:01.34noonokey. i didn't get it. how do i pass the rootdelay to the kernel?
19:01.35wurp2balrog-kun: We all want to boot from our SD so we can keep movies on the flash, to play with your new mplayer
19:02.02wurp2noon: change the bootargs to have that parameter at the end, I think
19:02.30wurp2wait, to your bootargs_base
19:03.03balrog-kun:)
19:03.26wurp2something like "setenv bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock4 console=ttySAC0,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 rootdelay=5
19:03.41wurp2WARNING: UNMATCHED QUOTE ON LINE 1
19:06.14tomboy64uhm
19:06.28tomboy64is there a tool in development that measures my online traffic?
19:06.43SpeedEvilifconfig
19:06.49tomboy64cause i'm gonna have a volume tariff with 200 megs/month
19:07.05SpeedEvilGPRS isn't properly setup yet.
19:07.17tomboy64SpeedEvil: it's not that simple. it would have to shut down when a certain traffic margin is reached
19:07.20tomboy64uhm
19:07.22tomboy64when will it be?
19:07.23SpeedEvilYeah - I know.
19:07.30SpeedEvilI don't know.
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19:07.50tomboy64and it would have to count 10k-blocks if the connection breaks off
19:07.58tomboy64since that is what my provider counts :-/
19:08.20SpeedEvilIt can be done manually - but it's not actually accessible thought the UI
19:08.29tomboy64mhmm
19:08.36SpeedEvilSo nobodies worked on the GUI.
19:08.43SpeedEvil<PROTECTED>
19:08.59noonwurp2: i tried: set bootargs_base="rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock4 console=ttySAC0,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 rootdelay=5"
19:08.59tomboy64i guess it's too early to ask for a push-mail aware program, too?
19:09.04wurp2tomboy64: I would think someone has built a download-limiting proxy that you could run
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19:09.13noonwurp2: and i got: ## Error: illegal character '=' in variable name "bootargs_base="rootfstype=jffs2"
19:09.19wurp2Yeah, don't put in the =
19:09.22tomboy64wurp2: wouldn't that be overkill?
19:09.52Yellow-Bluei've been hearing bad things about the graphics BW... is it a big issue?
19:09.53wurp2tomboy64: It's a generic solution, and should be pretty lightweight
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19:09.58tomboy64hmm
19:10.04tomboy64good point
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19:10.46wurp2tomboy64: I agree it would be better for you if there was a config setting already to handle that, but it seems just a little too specific for there to be one
19:11.07tomboy64wurp2: uhm, i'd argue that.
19:11.15wurp2tomboy64: Of course, I don't know anything about it.  As a programmer, not an admin, my solution is often "go build it" rather than "find the right tool"
19:11.44tomboy64since most gprs over here is either measured on a per-megabyte price or on a volume-tariff
19:11.47wurp2tomboy64: My solution was to buy unlimited DL :-)
19:11.55tomboy64uhm
19:12.05tomboy64200mb/month = 8,50 euros
19:12.11tomboy64flat-rate = 30 euros
19:12.18tomboy64that's quite a difference there :-P
19:13.04wurp2http://www.spreadfirefox.com/
19:13.10markusit's out?
19:13.27wurp2This is what happens when you announce to the world that you want to hit the record for most downloads in one day evar
19:13.38wurp2tomboy64: Oh, it's about 8.50 euro for unlimited for me
19:13.45markussomething is strange, i already have ff3 (no rc mentioned or anything)
19:13.51wurp2Well, more like 12 or 13
19:14.06tomboy64wurp2: where are you located?
19:14.19wurp2tomboy64: US.  Near Dallas, TX to be more specific
19:14.23tomboy64mhm
19:14.28kdean06wurp2, 12.88 as of right now. :P
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19:14.38wurp2kdean06: thx ;-)
19:14.40tomboy64:-D
19:14.42tomboy64meh
19:14.45tomboy64i want that, too!
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19:15.01wurp2and I'm on a pre-pay account, no contract
19:15.48wurp2After I blew the ~ $180 I had stored up on it in two weeks at $10/MB, I decided to go for the unlimited option :-)
19:16.15wurp2(the way they do their stupid pre-pay, the $180 would never have done me any good, anyway)
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19:21.14mmontournoon: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader_commands#Environment for help on the 'setenv' syntax (it's 'setenv abc value', not 'setenv abc="value"')
19:23.23wurp2I do that almost every time
19:23.29wurp2Then have to type it in again
19:23.52wurp2Anyone know of a boot console program that can handle pasted text?
19:24.04wurp2It comes in too fast for cu to handle, it looks like
19:24.08wurp2It skips some characters
19:24.18Qwellis the boot loader running slower than the serial console?
19:24.40noonmmontour & wurp2: with the rootdelay it boots.
19:24.57wurp2noon: Woohoo!  I told you mmontour was more qualified ;-)
19:25.20wurp2'tis weird that you need it, though.  I've never heard of someone needing it.
19:25.22noonafter the boot i try to access the card
19:25.28wurp2*for booting from flash
19:26.19mmontourwurp2: developers/werner/neocon/ in the OM svn tree
19:29.29noonwhat device does the mmc slot get?
19:30.03wurp2mmontour: Excellent, thanks
19:30.10mmontour/dev/mmcblk0 (plus "p1", "p2", ... for each partition)
19:30.51noonokey, now it boots but i didn't see the device
19:31.30mmontourIn 'dmesg' look for lines starting with "mmc" or "s3c2410-sdi"
19:31.31mwesteruses neocon all the time
19:32.38noonmmontour: mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card
19:33.50noonmmontour: the otherlines don't look suspicious
19:33.52tomboy64uhm
19:34.53tomboy64i just read monochromementality's review of the asu - any date when (as in: next month, august ... 2009?) it's deemed to be ready? couldn't find a roadmap covering that.
19:35.47mmontournoon: sorry, I don't think I can help you with that error.
19:36.37wurp2noon: You might try google...
19:37.08wurp2tomboy64: I'm not sure if anyone knows.  BTW monochromementality == kdean06 == Kevin Dean
19:37.25tomboy64:)
19:37.47tomboy64i can hardly remember names/nicks - monochromementality stuck, though
19:37.52kdean06Cool!
19:37.54kdean06:)
19:37.58kdean06Yeah, that's my site.
19:37.59tomboy64:-P
19:38.10tomboy64thanks for the updates
19:38.22tomboy64been gazing at your other gallery, too
19:38.23kdean06I was told about an hour later "It's out of date!" :P
19:38.25wurp2kdean06: So some people see the world in black & white; you only see it in black?
19:38.31tomboy64and salivating over the gta02-boxk :-D
19:38.47zedstar_in ASU someone asked on the ML about the slider view with the 3 panels....and yeh wtf is that? :)
19:39.00kdean06wurp2, Load my site and do a select all... You'll see "Everything really is black and white" hidden inside the top bar thingy.
19:39.01tomboy64yeah - been trying for a while to get a current asu running on qemu ... doesn't quite work :-/
19:39.02noonokey. i gave the 128MB card a shoot and then i let it be
19:39.47tomboy64kdean06: how serious do you think the glamo-issue is, though?
19:40.20tomboy64kdean06: have you been able to watch, let's say, a mpeg4/xvid/somethinglikethat movie with a decent framerate?
19:40.39wurp2tomboy64: balrog-kun is the guy to ask
19:40.51tomboy64asks balrog-kun then
19:40.59wurp2tomboy64: Since he's implementing the mplayer branch that uses mpeg4 acceleration
19:41.04kdean06I honestly don't know. I've been told that some "low res" video will play, though I'm not sure of the specifics.
19:41.05tomboy64oh!
19:41.15tomboy64kdean06: yeah, i read slt on the ml
19:41.22wurp2tomboy64: And my understanding is that he can play mpeg4 at 320x240 with good framerates (> 20 fps)
19:41.55tomboy64wurp2: mhmm i guess that would be appropriate, given the size of the screen.
19:41.58wurp2tomboy64: But I don't think anyone who knows anything about it expects 640x480 at decent framerates
19:42.08wurp2tomboy64: Yeah, I think it will actually be fine
19:42.27wurp2tomboy64: Then the only downsides are that you have to transcode to mpeg4 and play from the flash, not SD
19:42.37tomboy64ewwww
19:42.50tomboy64btw, how much flash is included? 1gb?
19:42.54tomboy64or 512?
19:42.56tomboy64mb
19:42.56wurp2Although I'm not sure that mpeg4 wouldn't play from SD OK, given that it should be much less than the whole bus
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19:46.00SpeedEvilIt won't - without using the hardware assist.
19:46.12SpeedEvilBut with the hardware assust, it shouldn't be a real problem.
19:46.27tomboy64uhm? hardware assist?
19:47.04SpeedEvilthe glamo has mpeg-4 decoding
19:47.11SpeedEvilWith this - it can do (AIUI) 320*240*25fps or so with audio with no real problems.
19:47.43tomboy64ahh
19:47.45tomboy64nice
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19:50.03tomboy64thanks so far
19:50.18tomboy64is off finding new applications for his future mobile phone
19:50.49wurp2SpeedEvil: Yeah, I'm only talking about with the accelerated video
19:51.04wurp2Othewise you have to send uncompressed vid over that shitty bus
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19:54.16SpeedEvilThat'd be livable with almost if it wasn't for the fact that DMA doesn't work.
19:55.35balrog-kuntomboy64: yeah, 320x240 at 25fps works
19:55.56balrog-kuni think it would also work if done on the CPU, without glamo
19:56.26tobii_sadlythe debugboard v3 is for gta02?
19:56.40tomboy64thanks balrog-kun
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19:57.10wurp2SpeedEvil: What is the issue with DMA?
19:57.12tomboy64tobii_sadly: indeed
19:57.46tobii_sadlybut its also for the gta01?
19:58.23wurp2tobii_sadly: I believe the debug board works for both
19:58.43wurp2Is JTAG specific enough that any JTAG board will work on any JTAG device?
19:58.54tobii_sadlyok
19:59.01tomboy64tobii_sadly: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v3
19:59.22tobii_sadlythx
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20:21.36cyrilRomainhm asu.stable in qemu is working when using the official image, but it doesn't boot when running local ones
20:22.02cyrilRomainin fact, the uImage-2.6.24+git20080616-r0-om-gta01.bin is ok, while the local one (uImage-2.6.24+git0+421ed0bdd5b468d9de3ba571f49e7b840a8032e3-r1-om-gta01.bin) doesn't work
20:25.00noonso. thanks to you all for your help. bye
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20:29.23zeno__so when IS the freerunner comming out approx?
20:30.07kdean06July 4th
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20:31.51wurp2kdean06: I heard July 3rd.
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20:34.10cyrilRomainzeno__, wurp2: community news are updated here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates
20:35.42kdean06So "Early July" is probably the best answer at this point. :P
20:36.02wurp2cyrilRomain: That's funny; I assumed Kevin was joking.  I was just joking back...
20:45.49cyrilRomainwhere can I find the script that generate daily built image ?
20:46.57cyrilRomainand conf files used?
20:49.46cyrilRomainwould like to know why the kernel built locally differs in name and size than the official one
20:51.01XorA|gonecyrilRomain: its bitbake linux-openmoko
20:51.33XorA|gonecyrilRomain: what differences in size/name?
20:52.03cyrilRomainXorA|gone: official one is uImage-2.6.24+git20080616-r0-om-gta01.bin 1.7 M
20:52.14cyrilRomainXorA|gone: the local one is uImage-2.6.24+git0+421ed0bdd5b468d9de3ba571f49e7b840a8032e3-r1-om-gta01.bin 1.8 M
20:52.33cyrilRomainXorA|gone: I'm just wondering why bitbake does'nt pick the same kernel version
20:52.36XorA|gonecyrilRomain: that looks like you are comparing ASU branch to .dev
20:52.53cyrilRomainXorA|gone: arff indeed
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20:54.46cyrilRomainXorA|gone: is it known the ASU .stable kernel doesn't boot ? (at least in qemu) ?
20:56.41cyrilRomainXorA|gone: or did I miss something ?
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20:59.04balrog-kuncyrilRomain: how does it fail?
20:59.25cyrilRomainnotices MokoMakefile is something usefull, unless you start using different branches ..
21:00.12cyrilRomainbalrog-kun: I get many (endless in fact) s3c_nand_calculate_ecc and s3c_correct_data
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21:02.09cyrilRomainbalrog-kun: http://rafb.net/p/sXCdW828.html
21:02.59cyrilRomainbalrog-kun: last time I let it run until the left counter was about 500 (~ after 20-30 minutes)
21:03.06XorA|gonecyrilRomain: never tried Im afraid
21:04.04XorA|gonecyrilRomain: qemu doesnt support gta02?
21:04.04XorA|gonehas no idea
21:07.33cyrilRomainXorA|gone: not really. There is a gta02fake, but actually flash.sh and some others files need reworking according to the new gta02 NAND and hardware
21:09.32cyrilRomainXorA|gone: someone interested should write hw/s3c2442.c from hw/s3c2410.c
21:09.49cyrilRomainat least
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21:11.30cyrilRomaintried qtopia-x11 asu.dev for gta02 in qemu but due above, fallback on asu.stable for gta01
21:12.07XorA|gonetry a GTA01 ASU image from buildhost
21:12.12XorA|gonea little out of date
21:12.16XorA|gonebut should work
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21:15.39balrog-kunbuildhost gta01 images work for me in qemu
21:15.43balrog-kunasu and non-asu
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21:16.38balrog-kuncyrilRomain: weird
21:16.48balrog-kuncyrilRomain: did you flash using the exact same kernel?
21:16.57balrog-kunoh wait :P
21:17.05balrog-kunyou don't flash with the kernel :p
21:21.16cyrilRomainbalrog-kun: what do you mean by flashing with the kernel ?
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22:06.14aggtrfradso now that the development is finished, any aqurate info about the phone's uptime?
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22:08.12joschgood morning openmoko hacker!
22:08.17joschi need some quick advice
22:08.29joschas you might know i installed debian on my neo1973
22:08.43joschnow i need to get any response from the two hardware keys
22:08.52joschbut xev doesnt give me anything
22:08.55joschideas?
22:08.59joschhow should it work?
22:11.15SpeedEvildoes cat /dev/event/input1 show any events?
22:11.31SpeedEvil(I'm unsure if that's in fact the correct device)
22:12.50joschyou mean /etc/input/event1
22:13.37mwesterI hope it's not in /etc
22:13.58joschups ^^
22:14.12joschmwester, i fact i SYMLINKED it to etc :P
22:14.18balrog-kunaggtrfrad: finished?
22:14.21balrog-kun:p
22:14.36SpeedEvilMy neo has /dev/input/event1
22:15.26joschjop it's cat /dev/input/event0
22:15.45SpeedEvilOr hexdump -C /dev/input/event0
22:15.47SpeedEvilfor a slightly more readable output.
22:16.03joschnow i have to teach Xorg to read it :P
22:16.19joschmaybe by doing something like Option "Device" "/dev/input/event0"
22:19.51balrog-kunafaik the X in openmoko doesn't read these either
22:20.02balrog-kuninstead neod or whever reads them
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22:31.13joschbalrog-kun, i know but i /somwhow/ need to read it normally
22:31.49cb22[eee]josch, define normally
22:31.59joschxorg
22:32.10joschvia a keyboard input device
22:32.20cyrilRomainbalrog-kun: so do you have an idea of the cause of the problem ? (http://rafb.net/p/sXCdW828.html)
22:32.22joschthis is normal for reading keycodes
22:34.37mickeylre
22:35.06mickeylmwester: ping?
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22:38.20balrog-kuncyrilRomain: hmm, no ideas, seems like the flash is indeed botched
22:38.35balrog-kunmay be either the kernel failing to read or the u-boot failing to write
22:39.15joschgrmbl
22:39.23joschthe key seems to be rly borked
22:39.33joschit sends so very different keycodes
22:39.44joschthat when i press it several times
22:40.00joschmy console gets spammed by several different ASCII chars
22:40.35SpeedEvil16
22:40.43SpeedEvil<PROTECTED>
22:41.06balrog-kunare you doing cat /dev/input/event0? these are not the actual keycodes
22:41.25joschno i dont
22:41.55joschis used:
22:41.56joschSection "InputDevice"
22:41.56josch<PROTECTED>
22:41.56josch<PROTECTED>
22:41.57josch<PROTECTED>
22:41.57joschEndSection
22:42.11joschthe driver seems wrong
22:43.36balrog-kuntry "evdev"
22:43.52joschthx
22:47.12cyrilRomainbalrog-kun: ok. As a workaround I will boot asu.{stable,dev} images with .dev kernel
22:47.36cyrilRomainbalrog-kun: thanks anyway
22:50.38joschsame issue
22:50.52joschi hit the button once and i get and endless loop of keycode 117
22:50.56josch177
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22:57.05joschhrm... no
22:57.10joschsomething is still wrong
22:57.25joschkeycode 177 also gets triggered by the touchscreen
22:58.11joschdarn and mickey|zzZZzz just went to sleep...
22:59.53joschokay by reading neod source i deduce that i need keycode 169 for AUX
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