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| 00:07.26 | dcordes | wurp2: thanks a lot man. It sounds easier than I expected |
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| 00:09.40 | jadams | The new dbus-centric Openmoko framework initiative as well as the Zhone bread-and-butter application will see a release within the next 48 hours. |
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| 00:11.58 | ebbe | Nice :) |
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| 00:20.28 | josch | jadams, lol is the codebase still pyphone? |
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| 00:22.24 | jadams | josch: I dunno, just read it on planet |
| 00:22.29 | josch | ah kk |
| 00:22.38 | josch | my rss is too slow :P |
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| 00:37.26 | daMaestro | http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/cache/files/readme_qtopia_gpl.txt <-- lame |
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| 00:43.29 | ljp | yep |
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| 01:05.46 | CVirus | I wonder why are the testers using .xls for their test reports ! |
| 01:08.24 | josch | you mean xsl |
| 01:12.40 | CVirus | whatever that is |
| 01:12.46 | CVirus | isn't it proprietary ? |
| 01:13.38 | CVirus | actually it's xls not xsl |
| 01:13.43 | CVirus | http://people.openmoko.org/testing/software/Testreport/20080613/ |
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| 01:17.26 | ebbe | CVirus: Yeah, sounds odd |
| 01:17.51 | ebbe | It looks like it's an Microsoft format |
| 01:18.38 | CVirus | it is |
| 01:18.59 | ebbe | That's not so smart.. |
| 01:18.59 | CVirus | the test templates are nicely done though |
| 01:19.07 | ebbe | Agree |
| 01:22.24 | CVirus | haha |
| 01:22.27 | CVirus | nice quit message |
| 01:22.56 | ebbe | Yes :) I always laugh when I see it |
| 01:23.34 | mjr | methinks the testers haven't gotten the point quite yet (though yes, they look nice) |
| 01:23.57 | ebbe | mjr: What do they miss? |
| 01:24.13 | CVirus | I suppose they are not related to the project at all ? |
| 01:24.18 | CVirus | they're just here for testing .. maybe |
| 01:24.49 | mjr | CVirus, mabbeh |
| 01:24.59 | mjr | ebbe, the point of the project, what with xls and all, you know |
| 01:25.12 | ebbe | Ahh. Yes |
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| 04:41.39 | opendeep | Hi geeks |
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| 06:21.03 | cyrilRomain | while booting image in qemu, I get lot's of 's3c2410_nand_calculate_ecc' and 's3c2410_nand_correct_data', is that normal ? |
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| 06:41.33 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:07.23 | Infinyte | Hmm~ Anyone here work for Alltel? |
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| 07:12.26 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke * r20e3e59d1ee7 10/src/applications/addressbook/addressbook.cpp: [speeddial] Remove the add to speed dial from addressbook (#1475) |
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| 07:35.49 | tessier | April Software update is coming in June? |
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| 07:50.46 | XorA | tessier: dont hold breath |
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| 07:51.08 | tessier | I'm not |
| 07:51.35 | methril | morning |
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| 07:58.54 | emdete | mojn, mojn, ... |
| 07:59.52 | emdete | Marcel_M: kannst du grad builden? meins compiliert gmp nicht... |
| 08:01.55 | andrenarchy | ? |
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| 08:02.33 | emdete | sry, wrong channel ;) |
| 08:03.52 | XorA | emdete: I checked in a fix for that last week |
| 08:04.21 | emdete | XorA: last week? i got that yesterday... updated oe before. what was fixed? |
| 08:04.57 | emdete | XorA: i tried to update bb also but the svn server was down |
| 08:04.59 | XorA | emdete: oh, if you build from OE it wont be changed, you need to change preffered gmp-native to 4.2.2 |
| 08:05.20 | emdete | ah, okay, thanks! |
| 08:05.37 | emdete | (wonderful how this channel answers even questions in the wrong language :D ) |
| 08:07.14 | XorA | emdete: that was about the limit of my German understanding :-) |
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| 08:42.41 | mass_stor | I had successfully compiled openmoko kernel for GTA02 using openmoko makefile.... Now i wanna GTA01 image, should i start d build from first or is there any shortcut?? |
| 08:49.56 | mass_stor | anyone here??? |
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| 08:53.43 | XorA | mass_stor: just change the MACHINE= |
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| 08:57.48 | emdete | XorA: where did you change the gmp version? |
| 08:58.13 | XorA | prefferred-om-2008-versions.inc |
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| 09:01.47 | ScaredyCat | mass_stor: the makefile can switch |
| 09:01.55 | ScaredyCat | make setup-machine-gta01 |
| 09:02.15 | ScaredyCat | or as XorA says edit your local.conf |
| 09:02.38 | XorA | has no idea how to do it in MokoMakefile |
| 09:02.47 | emdete | what does "Error, TMPDIR has changed location." mean? |
| 09:03.46 | XorA | emdete: thats a new one on me |
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| 09:06.01 | emdete | XorA: i don't use mokomakefile anymore since mickey convinced me not to do so... maybe i should switch back to it? |
| 09:06.46 | methril | how is the easy way to check machine dependencies? for some kernel, packet compilation |
| 09:06.56 | methril | it's better to check it with bitbake? |
| 09:06.57 | XorA | emdete: my guess is the TMPDIR variable changed |
| 09:07.06 | XorA | emdete: or you copied the builddir somewhere else |
| 09:07.42 | XorA | methril: you mean like bitbake -g target which dumps the depends as .dot files |
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| 09:10.58 | methril | let me explain |
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| 09:11.16 | methril | if i'd like to adapt one bbclas to a new "machine" |
| 09:11.57 | methril | and i have to make some patches to get it working, how could i see the "patches" applied for 1 platform, to take care of not applying taht to another the new one? |
| 09:16.29 | diego_at_work | see linux .bb for an example |
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| 09:19.25 | pyknite | there is a new community update: freerunner will be released the first july ;) |
| 09:21.03 | raster | noooo!never! |
| 09:21.06 | raster | we can't allow that |
| 09:21.27 | raster | sends freerunner back to the factory |
| 09:21.30 | raster | :) |
| 09:21.36 | pyknite | :P |
| 09:22.04 | methril | hehe |
| 09:22.50 | raster | MUHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 09:22.55 | raster | laughs evilly |
| 09:23.26 | methril | i'f you do that, some fans are going to kill you |
| 09:24.37 | raster | probably |
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| 09:24.49 | raster | but i will have had my fun |
| 09:24.52 | raster | MUAHHAHAHA |
| 09:24.53 | raster | :) |
| 09:24.55 | raster | ok |
| 09:24.57 | raster | back to connman |
| 09:25.20 | raster | how shall i get updates on signal strength... |
| 09:25.24 | raster | that is the q |
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| 09:31.52 | ScaredyCat | wait a second... shouldn;t that be called "Uniquity" or something totally unrelated... |
| 09:32.10 | ScaredyCat | I mean, connman sounds way too much like connection manager ... |
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| 09:33.56 | XorA | ScaredyCat: Im waiting for Apathy to be an app name |
| 09:34.10 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 09:34.38 | ScaredyCat | tat'd be an app where you wouldn't care if it started or not... |
| 09:35.21 | diego_at_work | an app that is always running, couse u never care to close it |
| 09:36.33 | raster | ScaredyCat: it is indeed just that |
| 09:36.59 | raster | XorA: thats an app that doesnt care about you, the user |
| 09:37.00 | raster | :) |
| 09:37.06 | raster | it just does whatever it wants |
| 09:37.12 | raster | abd "bah humbug" to you |
| 09:37.15 | raster | :) |
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| 09:40.11 | ScaredyCat | yeah, I was just being sarcastic about the other app names raster... |
| 09:40.15 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie * r004c13c5474d 10/ (8 files in 5 dirs): Created a small test application using gtk |
| 09:40.53 | cb22 | thought Apathy would be the name used for the cron replacement |
| 09:41.02 | rwhitby | agrees with ScaredyCat about the weird names |
| 09:41.31 | rwhitby | When I saw Assassin, I thought "wow, they've got spam handling done already ..." |
| 09:41.59 | rwhitby | and for "Diversity" I thought, "Hmm, what's racial equality got to do with the ASU?" |
| 09:42.18 | raster | hahahahhaha |
| 09:42.48 | cb22 | rwhitby: you sound like my friend, when an inequality gets asked in a maths exam, goes starts writing about apartheid in south afruca :) |
| 09:42.59 | cb22 | s/goes/he/ |
| 09:43.32 | raster | afruca |
| 09:43.59 | raster | i'm thinking mer eferka |
| 09:44.02 | raster | more |
| 09:44.11 | cb22 | raster: pfft, not everyone has a dictionary based autocorrecting keyboard yet! |
| 09:44.17 | raster | hahaha |
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| 09:49.31 | cb22 | plays around with PyPy and ShedSkin |
| 09:51.10 | diego_at_work | http://despair.com/ap24x30prin.html |
| 09:52.29 | raster | perfect |
| 09:52.30 | cb22 | Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? |
| 09:52.43 | cb22 | I don't know and I don't care. |
| 09:53.20 | raster | hehehe |
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| 09:59.41 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie * r26edc338a994 10/TODO: Added TODO file |
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| 10:03.14 | raster | oh just great |
| 10:03.19 | raster | wp_supplicant doesnt support this |
| 10:03.22 | raster | fan-bloody-tastic |
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| 11:02.32 | mbuf | for a one month old build, it is better to clean and re-build? |
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| 11:22.58 | mbuf | josch, aren't you the one who released the debian image for OM? |
| 11:24.29 | edistar | mbuf: yes he is |
| 11:25.05 | mbuf | edistar, josch good; would like to know of any documentation on how i can build the images for OM |
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| 11:27.11 | spyre | mickeyl: Have you had the chance to try gsmd2 again? Try compiling it with --disable-tests if you are still having problems with python |
| 11:27.37 | edistar | mbuf: you mean for the gta hw? you can find it in the wiki |
| 11:28.59 | mickeyl | spyre: yep. compiles fine now. do you have a version number for me? |
| 11:29.08 | mickeyl | right now it's 0.0.0+git... |
| 11:29.42 | mbuf | edistar, yes; i thought they were instructions on how to configure and use pre-built images |
| 11:30.09 | edistar | mbuf: check neo1973-germany.de |
| 11:30.17 | mbuf | edistar, ok |
| 11:30.21 | edistar | mbuf: and join #neo1973-germany ! |
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| 11:36.01 | mass_stor | XorA: I have configured for GTA01 build but there is an error when i try to build after changin the build/temp/local.conf file... the error is http://mibbit.com/pb/snsHyj. NOTE: i had already built an image for GTA02, i m trying to use the same to build my |
| 11:36.07 | mass_stor | GTA01 image |
| 11:37.03 | spyre | mickeyl: we havent talked about that with hepaajan, but I'd go with 0.1 for now :) |
| 11:37.18 | mickeyl | spyre: righto |
| 11:37.21 | XorA | sqlite3.OperationalError: attempt to write a readonly database |
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| 11:37.28 | XorA | did you change user or something |
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| 11:38.16 | spyre | mickeyl: did you get gsmd2 to actually work? :) |
| 11:39.10 | toti | Hi, is anybody here familiar with accelerometers ike these in GTA02? Trying to get the data from the different axis but currently I'm only getting the Z by this command: |
| 11:39.10 | toti | hexdump /dev/input/event3 | grep ".* .* .* .* .* 0002 0002 .* .*$" | |
| 11:39.10 | toti | cut -d' ' -f8 |
| 11:39.24 | mass_stor | I had built my GTA02 using openmoko makefile. Now when i try to build for GTA01 using the same i get the following error... http://mibbit.com/pb/snsHyj . Isnt it possible to build a image from the already finished build process for saving time.... |
| 11:39.24 | toti | The only doc I found was this one http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-March/001625.html |
| 11:39.56 | mass_stor | XorA: no... but it has been 4 days since i built the previous one... |
| 11:40.06 | mickeyl | spyre: it compiles, but i had no chance to test. I'm releasing Framework/Zhone milestone 1 today, after that it's on my list of things to do asap |
| 11:41.37 | mass_stor | XorA: I checked out the permissions and granted all permission for all groups as i got the error: readonly database. Just made that try.... |
| 11:41.42 | spyre | mickeyl: ok, great |
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| 11:43.11 | mickeyl | ok, version 963f34df8fa3ff4b301079dcf86e9acea6b6fe0f is in OE now and compiles fine |
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| 11:52.30 | mbuf | can we boot ASU image from SD, while still having the openmoko-devel-image from flash? |
| 11:54.03 | balrog-kun | hugs "screen /dev/console" |
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| 12:01.19 | mass_stor | XorA: really i hav no idea and i m trying all things to make it work. Cud u figure out wat had gone wrong?? |
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| 12:05.15 | hepaajan | mickeyl: SendAuthCode seems to be twice in specs/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.xml.in |
| 12:05.25 | XorA | mass_stor: I can only guess for some reason your database is corrupt or read only |
| 12:06.40 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r2d13a51b886b 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.xml.in: otapi: remove double SendAuthCode in org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.xml.in, thanks hepaajan! |
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| 14:56.31 | liwei | hello, speedEvil here? |
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| 15:40.18 | wurp2 | dcordes: You're welcome, for whatever it is I helped you with :-) |
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| 15:49.53 | dos | balrog-kun: hi, have somebody written needed files for qemu gta02fake emulation? |
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| 15:53.51 | bart_ | ls |
| 15:54.14 | bart_ | ups := |
| 15:54.45 | ebbe | You trying to list us all! Oh my God! ;) |
| 15:56.08 | tomboy64 | i want a moko |
| 15:56.12 | tomboy64 | and i want it *NOW* |
| 15:57.01 | dos | ebbe: rm -rf / :> |
| 15:57.07 | bart_ | you've to wait, or go make a robery in Fic's factory ;) |
| 15:57.28 | Qwell | tomboy64: I'll get the ski masks... |
| 15:57.41 | tomboy64 | mhmm |
| 15:57.43 | tomboy64 | k |
| 15:57.47 | tomboy64 | i'll organize the pumpguns |
| 15:57.56 | tomboy64 | do we need grenades? |
| 15:58.01 | Qwell | just a few |
| 15:58.11 | tomboy64 | oki |
| 15:58.13 | tomboy64 | let's roll |
| 15:59.13 | bart_ | pick a bunch of laser trip bombe, it's said to work well |
| 15:59.31 | tomboy64 | i don't wanna lay mines |
| 15:59.48 | tomboy64 | it's a quick op - in, get a moko, one for a friend, and out again |
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| 16:03.30 | wurp2 | tomboy64: Or attend the right university and order one. |
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| 16:03.41 | tomboy64 | :) |
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| 16:13.01 | sonium | hi, is there some kind of openmoko emulator? |
| 16:13.57 | sonium | like for developing/testing applications without actually having and openmoko phone? |
| 16:14.49 | ebbe | sonium: qemu |
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| 16:17.02 | loufoque | the Freerunner will probably arrive after the iPhone 3G |
| 16:17.12 | loufoque | I suppose it compares quite badly to it? |
| 16:17.18 | loufoque | is there some comparison somewhere? |
| 16:17.23 | sandman__ | sonium: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu |
| 16:17.27 | ebbe | loufoque: Not on openness |
| 16:17.33 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra5d30b417713 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [gdbus] Add libgdbus of moblin for connman |
| 16:17.33 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9af5b0e1f91f 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [connman] Add connman as we want to use it for ASU/exposure |
| 16:17.36 | ebbe | loufoque: Search the wiki |
| 16:17.44 | sonium | sandman__: thank you |
| 16:17.59 | loufoque | the wifi only has comparison with the first iphone |
| 16:18.38 | wurp2 | loufoque: If you buy the FR when it comes out, and your expectations on software functionality have anything to do with the iphone, you will be sorely disappointed |
| 16:19.04 | wurp2 | loufoque: If you are interested in a platform to hack on, or you care about openness of hardware, software, and cell provider, you will be delighted |
| 16:19.41 | sonium | and it is much more cheaper |
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| 16:19.53 | loufoque | sonium: how so? |
| 16:19.59 | loufoque | it seems to be about the same price to me |
| 16:20.30 | wurp2 | The few things I can think of that FR will be far superior to iphone on at release are GPS (with no monthly charge), bluetooth keyboard/mouse/etc, and having a linux terminal :-) |
| 16:20.41 | sonium | iphone 1500Eur (at least here in germany), neo: about 300Eur? |
| 16:20.48 | wurp2 | loufoque: You don't consider the required, expensive, AT&T contract? |
| 16:21.00 | loufoque | wurp2: it isn't required. |
| 16:21.11 | wurp2 | loufoque: For the new iphone, it certainly is |
| 16:21.40 | loufoque | in my country that kind of practice is illegal. |
| 16:21.42 | wurp2 | loufoque: You must sign a contract before you can walk out of the store with one, or so I've heard from multiple sources |
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| 16:22.06 | wurp2 | I do realize it wasn't (isn't?) required for the "old" iphone |
| 16:22.19 | ebbe | loufoque: Well, then I think Apple will sell them more expensive in your country |
| 16:22.54 | sonium | the cheapest iphone 3g (16Gb) including contract is exactly 970Eur in germany |
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| 16:23.18 | wurp2 | loufoque: Sorry, I missed your comment there. I agree with ebbe |
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| 16:24.59 | sonium | btw: did you actually get some Google summer of code students to do this quite difficulult stuff like differential GPS? |
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| 16:28.43 | wurp2 | sonium: I don't think anyone from OM is active in the room now, but see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_code |
| 16:28.59 | wurp2 | It looks as if the answer is no |
| 16:29.54 | sonium | but the accepted projects also seem quite non-trivial |
| 16:30.33 | sonium | openmoko seems to attract skilled people |
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| 16:35.52 | wurp2 | sonium: Yeah, there's a lot of great stuff going on |
| 16:36.10 | wurp2 | And I think there is a differential gps project; it's just not GSoC |
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| 16:44.29 | cb22 | wurp2: you were also interested in pyqt and qtopia, right? |
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| 16:56.40 | wurp2 | cb22: Yes |
| 16:56.57 | wurp2 | cb22: I'm not sure how much I'm interested in pyqt until I have some time playing with Qtopia |
| 16:56.58 | t_s_o | hmm, are there any current or future perl support on openmoko? |
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| 16:58.06 | ahmed | hi all |
| 16:58.09 | ahmed | how are you?? |
| 16:58.09 | apt | peachy, ahmed |
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| 16:58.36 | ahmed | i have a question |
| 16:58.51 | ahmed | i already had the environment setup |
| 16:59.09 | ahmed | for buidling openmoko using the moko make file |
| 16:59.19 | ahmed | and after finishing environment |
| 16:59.33 | ahmed | i started to make openmoko-devel-image |
| 16:59.40 | ebbe | t_s_o: Looks like perl is running on it: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokopedia |
| 16:59.52 | ahmed | but thr following error shown up |
| 16:59.57 | zash | but ruby? |
| 17:00.12 | josch | ebbe, no this is outdated |
| 17:00.14 | ahmed | ( cd build && . ../setup-env && \ |
| 17:00.16 | ahmed | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.18 | ahmed | ERROR: Openembedded's config sanity checker detected a potential misconfiguration. |
| 17:00.19 | ahmed | Either fix the cause of this error or at your own risk disable the checker (see sanity.conf). |
| 17:00.21 | ahmed | Following is the list of potential problems / advisories: |
| 17:00.22 | ahmed | /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr is not 0. This will cause problems with qemu so please fix the value (as root). |
| 17:00.29 | josch | ahmed, use nopaste |
| 17:00.30 | ahmed | i am using ubuntu 8.04 |
| 17:00.31 | zash | ahmed: pastebin |
| 17:00.36 | ahmed | pls help |
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| 17:01.03 | ahmed | "josch" what is nopaste |
| 17:01.06 | josch | t_s_o, you should use python instead of perl ;) |
| 17:01.09 | zash | ~pastebin |
| 17:01.10 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 17:01.23 | josch | thx zash ;) |
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| 17:01.32 | t_s_o | josch: im asking on behalf of someone else... |
| 17:02.14 | noon | hello |
| 17:02.14 | ahmed | so any opinion? |
| 17:02.15 | josch | t_s_o, as i worked with it a year ago - i can confirm that it is working |
| 17:02.15 | josch | t_s_o, but some packages need to be slightly fixed |
| 17:02.42 | josch | t_s_o, (I'm the guy that wrote Mokopedia that used perl at that time) |
| 17:03.02 | ahmed | hay guys ..do you wish to help |
| 17:03.20 | t_s_o | ok |
| 17:03.36 | noon | does somebody know if the sd-card slot works on a gta01 V3? |
| 17:07.29 | josch | noon, lol? |
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| 17:09.14 | ahmed | "rwhitby" : hi ,, pls i have a question regarding openmoko-devel-image |
| 17:11.04 | josch | ahmed, you have to give us more input until somebody can help |
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| 17:11.22 | josch | ahmed, what howto did you follow for building the image from source? |
| 17:11.30 | josch | and why do you want to do that? |
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| 17:11.53 | noon | josch: whats funny about this? |
| 17:12.07 | josch | noon, i never heard of sd NOT working |
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| 17:12.24 | ahmed | iam buidling openmoko to obtain the image to use it with neo 1973 |
| 17:12.33 | ahmed | i am using the make file |
| 17:12.35 | josch | ahmed, you can download prebuild images |
| 17:13.04 | ahmed | yes , but for convenience i just need to know where this error came from |
| 17:13.19 | ahmed | as i built it few months ago and every thing were fine |
| 17:13.27 | sandman__ | ahmed: that error is related to hardy heron, it's documented here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:MokoMakefile |
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| 17:14.01 | sandman__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.07 | sandman__ | and placed a 0 in it |
| 17:14.13 | sandman__ | I could build after this |
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| 17:15.07 | ahmed | yes sandman, thank you .. but when i tried to do that |
| 17:15.26 | ahmed | it said that i can't update this file as i am not the root |
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| 17:15.32 | ahmed | so any suggestions |
| 17:15.34 | ahmed | ? |
| 17:16.39 | ahmed | hay, sandman still there? |
| 17:16.55 | sandman__ | (sorry for the dumb question) but do you have root access on the box |
| 17:17.13 | josch | ahmed, try it with sudo? |
| 17:17.31 | ahmed | i suppose .. i've configured the account to have all the permissions it can has |
| 17:17.40 | ahmed | umm |
| 17:17.58 | ahmed | so josch , can you mention the whole command |
| 17:18.26 | ebbe | ahmed: sudo gedit /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr |
| 17:18.34 | josch | no |
| 17:18.51 | josch | echo '0' > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr |
| 17:18.56 | josch | this is the right command |
| 17:19.02 | josch | issue that as supersuer |
| 17:19.03 | wurp2 | josch: no |
| 17:19.07 | noon | josch: i tested it with to differnet microsd. both work in my gps and my cardreader |
| 17:19.11 | josch | wurp2, no? |
| 17:19.32 | wurp2 | josch: No, because he needs to run it as superuser, and he doesn't know how to do that :-) |
| 17:19.34 | noon | josch: if i put it in the neo i geht mmc crc errors and such stuff |
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| 17:19.49 | josch | ahmed, to be root issue this command: |
| 17:19.52 | josch | sudo su |
| 17:19.59 | ahmed | ok |
| 17:20.00 | josch | then you get a new shell as root |
| 17:20.03 | josch | there you do: |
| 17:20.12 | josch | echo '0' > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr |
| 17:20.18 | wurp2 | noon: I think 'sudo bash " echo '0' > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr' will also work |
| 17:20.26 | josch | right |
| 17:20.31 | cyrilRomain | to avoid to do that on every reboot, put in your /etc/systcl.conf 'vm.mmap_min_addr = 0' |
| 17:20.52 | wurp2 | noon: er, sorry, left out a quote: sudo bash " echo '0' > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr" |
| 17:21.04 | noon | with the sd-card i get a kernel panic... |
| 17:21.27 | josch | have to go hunting food now |
| 17:21.27 | noon | i try the sysctl aproche |
| 17:21.28 | josch | brb |
| 17:21.46 | wurp2 | noon: That sounds like the best one. Thanks, cyrilRomain |
| 17:21.53 | wurp2 | cyrilRomain: Could you update the wiki page? |
| 17:22.10 | wurp2 | cyrilRomain: It's the price of being competent :-) |
| 17:22.38 | cyrilRomain | wurp2: yeah, but on which page ? |
| 17:23.00 | wurp2 | cyrilRomain: I think http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:MokoMakefile |
| 17:23.42 | noon | i have now one with fat16 and one with ext2. which should i put in? |
| 17:25.02 | wurp2 | noon: I'm not sure what you are talking about. You should boot from ext2... |
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| 17:25.29 | wurp2 | The only reason I know of to have a fat16 partition is so you could xfer info from a windows machine by directly plugging the sd card in |
| 17:25.49 | noon | wurp2: i have one sd-card with fat16 and one, to see if the fs make any different, with ext2. |
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| 17:25.59 | noon | i have no windos :-) |
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| 17:26.35 | wurp2 | noon: Ah, use the ext2 one |
| 17:26.53 | wurp2 | noon: And if you don't plan to ever plug that card into a windows machine, if it were me I would reformat it to ext2 |
| 17:28.09 | noon | ok. now i have the kernelpanic... |
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| 17:28.46 | ebbe | noon: Maybe it's the kernel |
| 17:28.54 | noon | is there an easy way to get the errormessages from the screen |
| 17:28.58 | ahmed | thanks all very much . now i can build |
| 17:29.09 | CVirus | ahmed: Egyptian you are ? |
| 17:30.09 | noon | i used the tested kernel "uImage-2.6.24+git20080430-r0-om-gta01.bin" with the corresponding rootfs |
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| 17:31.03 | ebbe | noon: Maybe not then. There just were some errors in some of the 2.6.22 builds |
| 17:32.55 | ahmed | yes ,CVirus |
| 17:32.58 | ahmed | i am |
| 17:33.00 | noon | i try the kernel from yesterday |
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| 17:33.06 | noon | (and rootfs) |
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| 17:33.44 | CVirus | ahmed: interested in a group buy or so ? |
| 17:34.27 | CVirus | brb .. smoke |
| 17:35.45 | ahmed | ok |
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| 17:43.18 | SynthroidMan | http://synthroid.co.uk/ |
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| 17:43.50 | Tuju | what is SMT? |
| 17:43.57 | Tuju | surface mounting tool? :) |
| 17:44.09 | zash | tech |
| 17:44.14 | Tuju | ack |
| 17:44.25 | zash | syn |
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| 17:50.38 | noon | so, i uboot i can ls the ext2 fs on the sd-card |
| 17:51.32 | noon | but i think the rootfs for the gta01 from yesterday is broken. now i erased the rootfs and flash it again |
| 17:53.24 | julian2495322 | which fs is faster ext3 or zfs |
| 17:54.06 | wurp2 | noon: The rootfs for the gta01 is often broken :-( |
| 17:54.29 | wurp2 | noon: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:SnapshotReview |
| 17:54.36 | zash | julian2495322: there is no in-kernel implementation of zfs afaik, only fuse |
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| 17:54.57 | zash | for linux |
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| 18:05.11 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rfc1958dadd2c 10/src/zhone: zhone: rewrite dbus handling to be more failsafe and callable from inside mainloop |
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| 18:12.36 | wrywulf | Question: I'm running Openmoko on a non-Neo HW platform, and the font-size in the UI is extremely small for some reason. Does anyone know how to control the font size? I'm running VGA and have tried to change the pixel size in Xdefaults but it doesn't change anything. |
| 18:13.01 | ebbe | wrywulf: Maybe the theme? |
| 18:14.28 | noon | wurp2: greate |
| 18:15.03 | wurp2 | noon: You found one that works? |
| 18:16.19 | noon | wurp2: no |
| 18:16.25 | wrywulf | I've tried that too.. It's not changing :/ |
| 18:16.27 | noon | still trying |
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| 18:18.25 | kdean06 | Listening to a podcast plugged into my car stereo system is great... The scream a 1973 makes as the battery dies... not so great. |
| 18:18.49 | zash | kdean06: build a car-charger |
| 18:19.13 | kdean06 | I've got a car charger, just didn't bother to use it. |
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| 18:31.51 | Roar-Shack | so july, huh? How stable is software these days? |
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| 18:36.31 | Roar-Shack | are there incompatibilities with SIM cards? |
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| 18:38.45 | CVirus | the test reports will tell us |
| 18:41.43 | wurp2 | Roar-Shack: which software, 2007.2 (gtk stack) or ASU? |
| 18:41.50 | wurp2 | In either case, the answer is "not very" |
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| 18:51.19 | cyrilRomain | anyone succeed to run a recent ASU image for gta01 with qemu ? |
| 18:52.08 | cyrilRomain | It boots but then the console is flooded with s3c_nand_calculate_ecc and s3c_nand_correct_data :-/ |
| 18:52.57 | cyrilRomain | with an inscreasing counter on the left (after gave up after 30 minutes, where it was near 500) |
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| 19:05.09 | Roar-Shack | wurp2 I just wanted to know how reliable it was to make and receive calls |
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| 19:10.32 | henkie | i read somewhere about the phone being available in the US (somewhere in july expected), any word on europe? |
| 19:11.20 | josch | henkie, you can buy it from trisoft |
| 19:11.31 | josch | öh... |
| 19:11.40 | josch | you will be able to buy it from trisoft :D |
| 19:12.26 | henkie | tnx for the tip :) |
| 19:13.02 | josch | henkie, you are from netherlands? |
| 19:13.12 | henkie | josch, yes i am |
| 19:13.16 | josch | do you happen to speak german? |
| 19:13.36 | henkie | josch, not very much i am afraid |
| 19:13.40 | josch | ah kk |
| 19:13.51 | josch | trisoft is a german distributor |
| 19:14.05 | josch | and they lurk around in our #neo1973-germany channel |
| 19:14.17 | henkie | Price : 350,-- EUR incl. VAT i see |
| 19:14.34 | josch | right |
| 19:14.41 | josch | this is warrenty and stuff included |
| 19:15.11 | henkie | hmm, according to the site the software is still not ready for daily use |
| 19:15.26 | henkie | and i do plan to use the phone on a daily basis :) |
| 19:15.33 | josch | hrm... |
| 19:15.39 | josch | wouldnt recommend this |
| 19:16.01 | josch | it's still more a hacker device |
| 19:16.16 | josch | but mickeyl 's zhone and phone api might change this |
| 19:16.58 | henkie | josch, ah i see, then i'll will wait a little longer i think :) |
| 19:17.18 | henkie | dont mind if not everything works 100%, but it must be usable for me |
| 19:20.56 | noon | can i use the strip from my host machnine so get smaller kernel modules for the openmoko? |
| 19:21.57 | josch | noon, what do you want to accomplish? |
| 19:22.27 | cyrilRomain | noon: they should be already stripped |
| 19:22.34 | cyrilRomain | noon: at least I think |
| 19:22.34 | balrog-kun | dos: you mean the flash.sh script? not that i know |
| 19:22.42 | balrog-kun | noon: nope, you can't |
| 19:23.01 | balrog-kun | noon: you can use arm-whatever-strip on vmlinux, because this is an ELF binary |
| 19:23.05 | balrog-kun | but not on zImage |
| 19:23.08 | balrog-kun | or Image |
| 19:23.32 | balrog-kun | or .ko or .o |
| 19:24.01 | noon | i have a kernel release with a different rootfs release |
| 19:24.27 | noon | the rootfs version for the kernel was broken, so i used an older one |
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| 19:24.50 | noon | then i want to update the rootfs with the right kernelmodules |
| 19:25.43 | noon | but the new kernel modules are 2-5times bigger than the ones i deletet |
| 19:26.24 | josch | why dont you use sdcards if the nand is not enough for you? |
| 19:26.33 | noon | so i thought that the kernel modules from the tarball are not striped |
| 19:26.47 | balrog-kun | i think they only pack a small subset of all the modules on the rootfs |
| 19:26.52 | noon | josch: because i didn't get the sd-card to work |
| 19:27.21 | josch | noon, does it show up in /dev ? |
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| 19:27.58 | noon | balrog-kun: i replaced the one on the rootfs. |
| 19:28.37 | balrog-kun | noon: don't put all of the modules from the tarball on the rootfs |
| 19:28.40 | josch | the only modules that are in the rootfs are for sound, bluetooth and usb |
| 19:28.41 | noon | josch, the kernel does not like the sd-card |
| 19:28.46 | balrog-kun | add just the once you are likely to need |
| 19:28.52 | balrog-kun | *ones |
| 19:28.55 | noon | so i get a kernel panic |
| 19:29.07 | josch | noon, you think it's the kernel? why not take a kernel that is known to work? |
| 19:29.44 | noon | josch: that has not worked |
| 19:29.59 | balrog-kun | every kernel can be buggy :p |
| 19:30.10 | noon | then i tried newer ones and finally i think i found a kernel that works but the rootfs is broken |
| 19:30.41 | josch | if you did try a kernel that worked for others - maybe your hardware is broken? but in this case a kernel panic is kind of... uncommon |
| 19:31.20 | noon | so i put on an older rootfs and have now put newer kernelmodules |
| 19:31.24 | CVirus | when was the test team hired ? |
| 19:32.28 | noon | now. i make an other run :-) |
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| 19:40.36 | wurp2 | scp download rate over the neo is crap |
| 19:40.52 | wurp2 | But it's a little better than the scp download rate on any other phone I've had :-) |
| 19:41.07 | josch | it's 678kBit/sec for me |
| 19:41.31 | wurp2 | josch: That's just a smidge higher than mine |
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| 19:41.48 | josch | wurp2, you read from nand? |
| 19:41.54 | josch | i do everything on sdhc |
| 19:42.06 | wurp2 | josch: I boot from nand |
| 19:42.17 | wurp2 | josch: But the dl problem is the fact that I'm going over gprs, I'm sure :-) |
| 19:42.22 | balrog-kun | i love the flasher upload / download rate on n810 (although scp is not much better there) |
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| 19:44.01 | ljp | balrog-kun: me too |
| 19:47.18 | wurp2 | dammit, my ScaredyCat release plays sound through both headset & handset when I plug in earplugs |
| 19:47.43 | wurp2 | I copied an old copy of gsmheadset.state that I had over the one that I got with this release - it had no effect |
| 19:48.02 | wurp2 | (and I unplugged & plugged back in the earplugs, of course, to get it to read the new file) |
| 19:48.38 | josch | i tested some state files for my debian setup |
| 19:48.51 | josch | for headset only the voip states worked |
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| 19:50.46 | noon | greate. now i have a console with a login. but no X or ssh |
| 19:51.43 | ljp | bah! dont need no stinkin' X |
| 19:52.14 | noon | what can i do with this? or do i need to reboot? |
| 19:52.24 | wurp2 | noon: Weird. I don't see how you could not have ssh |
| 19:52.29 | wurp2 | noon: Yeah, reboot first |
| 19:52.42 | wurp2 | noon: Lots of the releases fail to boot properly about 1 time in 3 :-( |
| 19:53.10 | wurp2 | noon: But you should definitely have ssh. I'll bet your usb0 interface isn't set up properly on the PC side |
| 19:53.54 | noon | now. i see the console again |
| 19:54.11 | noon | (none) login: |
| 19:54.56 | balrog-kun | noon: were there any messages about no disc space? |
| 19:55.41 | noon | yes, when i put on the kernel modules |
| 19:55.52 | balrog-kun | that causes ssh to fail to generate keys on the first boot, and subsequently start sshd |
| 19:56.09 | noon | i saw an orange floppy and got a warning about low disk space |
| 19:56.31 | noon | balrog-kun: i made a first boot with the old kernel modules |
| 19:57.25 | noon | okey. so i flash the old rootfs and replace only the needed kernel modules and make another run |
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| 20:01.54 | engBASA | hi all , i have a problem regarding openmoko build using ubuntu 8.04 |
| 20:02.59 | engBASA | all i need that i have a file /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr , and i want to touch it with value 0 ... but i need a permanent method , not temporary one |
| 20:03.22 | XorA|gone | well shoot ubuntu then |
| 20:03.47 | engBASA | i hope to do this but will cause my ubuntu get killed |
| 20:03.51 | XorA|gone | engBASA: put the echo in /etc/rc.local |
| 20:04.02 | wurp2 | cyrilRomain: Did you look in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:MokoMakefile ? |
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| 20:04.05 | XorA|gone | engBASA: then it runs on every boot |
| 20:04.19 | wurp2 | XorA|gone: I think there's a better solution that cyrilRomain put into http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:MokoMakefile earlier |
| 20:04.55 | balrog-kun | engBASA: what XorA|gone said or add a /etc/init.d script to do it or there may be a sysctl config file somewhere in /etc already like there is on gentoo |
| 20:05.00 | engBASA | yes |
| 20:05.13 | kdean06 | http://monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/Photo-Tour-of-the-ASU.html |
| 20:05.15 | XorA|gone | engBASA: read that wiki link, that;ll work simplet |
| 20:05.17 | XorA|gone | simpler |
| 20:05.36 | wurp2 | Per cyrilRomain: Add 'vm.mmap_min_addr = 0' (without quotes) to the /etc/systcl.conf file. For instance with vi: 'sudo vi /etc/systcl.conf' |
| 20:06.12 | balrog-kun | s/tcl/ctl/ |
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| 20:06.52 | wurp2 | balrog-kun: Good point; I'll fix the wiki page |
| 20:06.56 | zash | sudoedit |
| 20:06.59 | zash | is the shit |
| 20:07.58 | zash | export VISUAL=`which your-favorite-editor`; sudoedit /somefile |
| 20:08.35 | wurp2 | zash: How is that better than 'sudo vi'? |
| 20:08.56 | balrog-kun | "sudo passwd" and never have to deal with sudo again :) |
| 20:09.19 | zash | wurp2: sudoe<tabb> |
| 20:09.35 | zash | wibbit: or sudo -e, wich is the same |
| 20:09.53 | zash | s/wibbit/wurp2/ |
| 20:10.03 | engBASA | wurp2: what is vi ? |
| 20:10.17 | zash | engBASA: texteditor |
| 20:10.27 | engBASA | yes |
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| 20:10.32 | wurp2 | engBASA: That you probably should avoid if you haven't heard of it before :-) |
| 20:11.03 | wurp2 | zash: So the benefit of sudoedit vs sudo vi is that it saves me one keystroke? |
| 20:11.33 | zash | wurp2: also sudoedit does not run the editor as root |
| 20:11.50 | zash | wurp2: it copies the file to a tempfile, and then runs the editor as normal user |
| 20:12.00 | wurp2 | zash: ooo, that is nice! |
| 20:12.09 | wurp2 | thx! |
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| 20:12.34 | zash | :D |
| 20:12.38 | wurp2 | I doubt my vi exe is a trojan, but no risk is still better than low risk |
| 20:12.50 | zash | indeed |
| 20:14.38 | zash | and now i'm going to alias se=sudoedit |
| 20:14.50 | zash | along with e=$VISUAL |
| 20:14.51 | zash | :D |
| 20:15.40 | engBASA | wurp2: when i ran the command it opened a new file not the same file |
| 20:17.56 | cyrilRomain | wurp2, zash: wiki updated with sudoedit ;) |
| 20:18.10 | engBASA | it worked |
| 20:18.12 | engBASA | thanks |
| 20:18.12 | zash | :D |
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| 20:22.33 | noon | so. the the kernel with the patched (new kernel modules) rootfs boots. now i put the sd-card in |
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| 20:27.21 | cb22 | balrog-kun: you're working on the mpeg4 hardware decoding, right? |
| 20:27.44 | wrywulf | question: does anyone know if it has been tried to put the TS 07.10 Mux patch upstream to Kernel.org? I'm trying to enable GPRS with voice and found a patch but would like to know if it's the plan to include it in the main tree?? |
| 20:28.20 | SpeedEvil | cb22: he has. |
| 20:28.23 | balrog-kun | cb22: have been for a moment |
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| 20:29.58 | cb22 | balrog-kun: cool :) i'm just wondering if infact the glamo does have an audio decoder? the glamo website and other info i've seen on the web seem to conflict about this |
| 20:30.35 | balrog-kun | cb22: afaik it has an mp3 decoder |
| 20:30.45 | balrog-kun | i've not tried to use it |
| 20:30.57 | zash | mp3 decoder? |
| 20:31.12 | SpeedEvil | Do you know if it can in principle be used to decode mp3s and ship the data back to the SoC? |
| 20:31.16 | noon | now i got the kernel panic |
| 20:31.24 | SpeedEvil | -> balrog-kun |
| 20:31.39 | noon | mtd->read(...) returned ECC error |
| 20:31.40 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: i don't know, sorry |
| 20:31.45 | SpeedEvil | k |
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| 20:32.09 | noon | and JFFS notice: (232) check_node_data: wronge CRC in data node |
| 20:34.29 | jadams | what mailer software does the openmoko list use? |
| 20:34.34 | jadams | pipermail? |
| 20:34.55 | zash | jadams: seem so |
| 20:35.00 | cb22 | hmm, anyone know if theres a way to determin how much current is being drawn from the battery in the freerunner? |
| 20:35.54 | jadams | zash: I'm thinking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Mailman |
| 20:35.59 | zash | cb22: multimeter? |
| 20:36.06 | zash | jadams: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/ |
| 20:36.14 | cb22 | zash: in software, like my nokia has nokia energy profiler |
| 20:36.29 | zash | jadams: the url suggests pipermail iaf |
| 20:36.43 | jadams | zash: I don't know that 'pipermail' exists - googling found nothing |
| 20:37.19 | jadams | zash: yeah, look at the bottom here: http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community |
| 20:37.21 | jadams | it's gnu mailman |
| 20:37.22 | noon | the same effect. kernel panic and a lot crc and ecc errors. now i remove the sd-card and pray that my rootfs still works |
| 20:37.42 | zash | jadams: mkay |
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| 20:38.26 | cb22 | would the coulomb counter be of any use in this regard? |
| 20:40.04 | wurp2 | cb22: Worst case, I would think that you could compute it by looking at how fast the battery is dropping |
| 20:40.27 | wurp2 | Unfortunately, it would probably need a fair amount of time before you got a vaguely accurate figure by that method |
| 20:40.35 | zash | how exact is the coulomb counter? |
| 20:41.12 | ||Leto|| | zash: ask sanyo ^^ |
| 20:41.16 | ||Leto|| | grml |
| 20:42.10 | cb22 | zash: very exct, i hope |
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| 20:42.34 | cb22 | could someone who can open pdfs check ouy http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/hardware/GTA02/CT-GTA02.pdf ? |
| 20:42.38 | cb22 | s/ouy/out/ |
| 20:42.59 | zash | cb22: then perhaps one could guestimate it based on the counter and the load |
| 20:43.32 | noon | ok. with sd-card i get a kernelpanic... |
| 20:44.09 | noon | does somebody now a working kernel and rootfs (with sd-card support) for the gta01v3? |
| 20:44.19 | cb22 | a coulomb is 1a * 1s, so if you know what time you're measuring, couldn't you determin the current ather easily? </grade 11 science> |
| 20:44.43 | cb22 | that tag refers to my knowledge of science, btw |
| 20:44.59 | zash | cb22: sounds reasonable |
| 20:46.16 | wurp2 | noon: I do |
| 20:46.25 | wurp2 | At least, I think I do. I haven't tried sd card support |
| 20:46.51 | wurp2 | but booting from SD has been supported for a *long* time |
| 20:46.52 | noon | wurp2: where do i get the files? |
| 20:47.04 | noon | wurp2: i don't want to boot from sd |
| 20:47.10 | noon | i want to put data on it |
| 20:47.37 | wurp2 | noon: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/?M=D |
| 20:47.44 | wurp2 | sec, and I'll get you file names |
| 20:48.33 | wurp2 | uImage-2.6.24+git20080611-r0-om-gta01.bin and Openmoko-scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080611-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 20:48.39 | wurp2 | That's what I'm running on my neo right now |
| 20:49.27 | wurp2 | noon: I'm not sure there's been a release of the software in the last 6 months that didn't support read/write to SD |
| 20:49.37 | wurp2 | at least, not any that would boot at all |
| 20:50.09 | wurp2 | Although, I think some SD cards had poor support, and still have poor support under some kernels |
| 20:50.16 | wurp2 | How big is your SD card? |
| 20:51.10 | wurp2 | I'm surprised no one commented on kdean06's ASU image gallery/discussion... |
| 20:51.18 | noon | 128MB. is that one i got with my garmin gps |
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| 20:51.47 | kdean06 | My server died again. |
| 20:51.52 | kdean06 | I need to get a bigger one. :S |
| 20:51.57 | wurp2 | kdean06: ouch |
| 20:52.08 | wurp2 | kdean06: I can host some stuff if you like |
| 20:54.05 | zash | hm, so 1mAh == 3.6C |
| 20:54.12 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r2614c1e38086 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connman] Split the scripts and plugins into separate packages |
| 20:54.12 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf13a8767ae1b 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connman] Package all d-bus services even if they have weird names |
| 20:54.13 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re6d1ff11d732 10/packages/connman/ (connman_git.bb files/connman): [connman] Connman is using a lsb helper for init scripts that OE does not offer |
| 20:54.49 | zash | cb22: whats up with the pdf |
| 21:02.15 | cb22 | zash: its the specs for the battery |
| 21:02.15 | cb22 | i cant open pdfs (no X) |
| 21:02.15 | zash | and i cant make sense out of it |
| 21:03.17 | zash | ah, pdftotext, not 2 |
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| 21:04.02 | zash | bah, errors |
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| 21:24.49 | noon | okey. with sd-card it won't boot. |
| 21:25.01 | noon | i give it up for today |
| 21:25.04 | noon | bye |
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| 21:33.05 | kdean06 | Server should be less broken now. :P |
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| 21:47.52 | roh | kdean06 i can mirror stuff if you have problems with the traffic/load |
| 21:48.18 | kdean06 | roh, Thanks for the offer, but I think I've gotten it fixed this time. :) |
| 21:49.08 | zash | static html-files ftw! |
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| 21:51.06 | kdean06 | I don't think there's a single static thing on my blog. :P |
| 21:51.41 | zash | enjoy your wasted identical cpu-cycles |
| 21:51.45 | zash | then |
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| 21:52.53 | kdean06 | I will! |
| 21:52.54 | kdean06 | :) |
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| 21:53.25 | kdean06 | Throwing more hardware at problems is my solution to life's problems. :) |
| 21:53.34 | kdean06 | Eeeer. |
| 21:53.39 | kdean06 | See, even that was redundant. |
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| 21:56.51 | SpeedEvil | kdean06: hammers are good hardware to throw. |
| 21:56.58 | SpeedEvil | Axes work well too. |
| 21:57.10 | kdean06 | Oooh. |
| 22:00.46 | mwester | SpeedEvil throws kittens. |
| 22:01.42 | wurp2 | mwester: Did I understand right, that your patched kernel will resume on call, and everything works afterwarsd? |
| 22:01.49 | wurp2 | (e.g. sound works after resume) |
| 22:02.59 | mwester | Well, for for some definition of "everything"... I test only the basic phone functions, not audio players. Also, my GTA01 lacks the front face, so it is somewhat "compromised" at the moment in terms of audio playing... :) |
| 22:03.37 | wurp2 | OK, I'm gonna give it a whirl in the next couple of days. I'll let you know how it works on my mostly whole gta01 |
| 22:04.04 | wurp2 | Does it actually let you answer the call that wakes it? |
| 22:04.28 | mwester | And the latest ASU rootfs doesn't do SMS at all, it seems... which led me on a wild goose chase because I thought it might be my mods that broke it. But phone calls work, and yes, you can answer it. |
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| 22:05.37 | wurp2 | Well, the gtk ScaredyCat image (20080611) that I've been using doesn't do SMS either. |
| 22:05.46 | wurp2 | That's great news about the kernel, though! |
| 22:05.59 | mwester | But honestly I have not tested the audio for a couple of weeks since I took the face off the 01 for the debug connector; so the latest images may have issues with that. |
| 22:06.18 | wurp2 | When I try to bring up the SMS app, it flashes & dies. I haven't tried it from terminal yet, so I can watch the error messages. |
| 22:06.26 | wurp2 | mwester: OK |
| 22:06.50 | wurp2 | But SMS seems to work fine from libgsm-tool -m shell, so I dunno what's up with the SMS app. |
| 22:07.06 | kdean06 | mwester, Speaking of the "latest ASU" images... Raster indicated that the images on the buildhost are out of date. Other than building one manually, which I've never managed to do, and MokoMakefile which fails 100% of the time, how would i try one of them shiny images? |
| 22:07.23 | mwester | MokoMakefile is the only way... |
| 22:07.37 | mwester | It's been remarkably stable for me, actually. |
| 22:07.47 | kdean06 | I've changed to asu.dev and set to gta02 and I ALWAYS get failures. |
| 22:08.11 | kdean06 | Should i be using asu.stable? |
| 22:08.15 | mwester | Oh, I use asu.stable -- .dev was a difficult one to work with. |
| 22:08.32 | kdean06 | Okay. |
| 22:09.19 | mwester | It's been building so well lately that I suddenly feel the need (of course) to upgrade my build host to Fedora 9. That should certainly mess up the works. |
| 22:09.44 | kdean06 | lol |
| 22:11.28 | mwester | The latest suspend/resume on the gta02 is amazing. Resume is lighting fast. Under one second, with at least half of that being X and Qtopia refreshing. |
| 22:11.52 | zash | coul |
| 22:12.39 | mwester | If someone can get the X and Qtopia refresh cleaned up a bit, it'll look like a real phone/pda -- at least just keep the screen blanked until the last of the refresh is done, and let it fade up to full brightness... |
| 22:12.54 | kdean06 | That would be snazzy., |
| 22:13.07 | kdean06 | AUX to suspend made me quite happy. :) |
| 22:13.41 | kdean06 | But I'd love to see an ASU build where Qtopia apps actually run. :P |
| 22:13.51 | mwester | The next step, IMO (which would probably make Andy totally insane) would be to add some user-control of what resumes -- so that, for example, we can have the RTC resume the device to take a GPS sample, without even troubling to resume the audio and the display. |
| 22:14.15 | cb22 | calls up the mental institute |
| 22:14.43 | cb22 | mwester: and integrating that into apathy - the new cron replacement |
| 22:15.17 | wurp2 | Does anyone know how the Qtopia dialer app will work with ophoned? |
| 22:15.25 | mwester | Meanwhile, somebody needs to figure out how to take some of those tuning ideas for resume and apply to the GTA01... but I fear that folks are suffering from cron. (er, apathy I mean). :p |
| 22:15.44 | wurp2 | I mean, I don't see how they can really work at the same time at all, without some weird low level hacking in the Qtopia dialer |
| 22:16.00 | cb22 | mwester: well, someone will just ned to assassinate them on gta01 |
| 22:16.02 | mwester | wurp2: I can't imagine that Qtopia-anything will work with anything not-Qtopia. Meaning Qtopia is a monolithic app. |
| 22:16.05 | cb22 | err, install |
| 22:16.27 | wurp2 | mwester: But I thought the ASU uses the Qtopia dialer... |
| 22:16.48 | wurp2 | mwester: But it also says it uses the new ophoned architecture |
| 22:17.07 | mwester | It uses Qtopia for the dialer; I see no signs of ophoned. |
| 22:17.37 | wurp2 | mwester: OK |
| 22:17.45 | kdean06 | For now or into the future? |
| 22:17.47 | nibbo | Anyone with a bitme.org invite? I will send you chocolate by snailmail :) |
| 22:17.49 | XorA|gone | where does ASU say anything about ophoned |
| 22:17.51 | XorA|gone | ??? |
| 22:18.00 | wurp2 | So I guess that the new dbus architecture (at least for gsm) will wait until we can ditch the Qtopia dialer. |
| 22:18.02 | mwester | I need to speak with whomever is working on ophoned (architecture and code) to see how we get the GSM flowcontrol for suspend/resume handled. |
| 22:18.53 | wurp2 | XorA|gone: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework |
| 22:19.07 | wurp2 | Although on that diagram it calls it gsm0710mux... |
| 22:19.36 | wurp2 | ophoned is also in the Milestone 1 release Tasks |
| 22:19.54 | wurp2 | mwester: I'm pretty sure that's mickey|zzZZzz |
| 22:20.00 | XorA|gone | wurp2: the only mention of ASU is # Question 2: Is this the mystic ASU? |
| 22:20.00 | XorA|gone | # Answer: No. |
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| 22:21.21 | mickey|zzZZzz | mwester: just about going to bed, lets talk tomorrow re. preparing ophoned for suspend/resume |
| 22:21.35 | mwester | Ok, no hurry. :) |
| 22:21.42 | mickey|zzZZzz | well, first milestone release will be tomorrow |
| 22:21.49 | mickey|zzZZzz | right after that we should fix it for the 2nd one |
| 22:22.01 | mickey|zzZZzz | (which will happen two weeks later) |
| 22:22.16 | mickey|zzZZzz | wanted to release yesterday, but i'm chasing a monster :/ |
| 22:22.50 | mwester | Well, good luck with the monster! |
| 22:23.10 | roh | mickey|zzZZzz hmm.. we should add milestones for that stuff.. any suggestions? |
| 22:23.35 | mickey|zzZZzz | milestones for which stuff? |
| 22:23.45 | XorA|gone | heh, fso-image will be finished before ASU |
| 22:23.52 | mickey|zzZZzz | first 5 milestones for the framework are already specified |
| 22:23.58 | mickey|zzZZzz | see OpenmokoFramework on the wiki |
| 22:24.00 | mickey|zzZZzz | XorA|gone: yep! :) |
| 22:24.17 | XorA|gone | hates to shout this but, TOLD YOU SO!!!!!! |
| 22:24.19 | roh | mickey|zzZZzz for your framework work. |
| 22:24.47 | roh | a wiki is a pretty 'manual' place to put such stuff (as nobody will find it and it will just bitrot) |
| 22:25.17 | mickey|zzZZzz | well |
| 22:25.28 | josch | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#11._enable_sound <= \o/ |
| 22:25.31 | mickey|zzZZzz | i don't like our current trac setup |
| 22:25.38 | mickey|zzZZzz | i think even bugzilla worked better |
| 22:25.38 | XorA|gone | goes off to grumble to himself about people not listening to him in the beginning |
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| 22:26.19 | mickey|zzZZzz | so i'm kind of hesitating to put the framework stuff into trac atm. |
| 22:26.27 | roh | mickey|zzZZzz bugzilla worked so bad that nobody used it at all.. so i see something called progress. |
| 22:26.34 | mickey|zzZZzz | well |
| 22:26.35 | mickey|zzZZzz | i used it a lot |
| 22:26.37 | roh | mickey|zzZZzz whats not working for you? |
| 22:26.44 | mickey|zzZZzz | searching |
| 22:27.03 | roh | ? |
| 22:27.30 | mickey|zzZZzz | you can not even add a bugnumber into the search filed and expect just to see this bug and other ones that refer ot it |
| 22:28.36 | roh | https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/search?q=%231023&noquickjump=1 works quite well |
| 22:28.45 | roh | just put a # infront if you mean a ticket. |
| 22:28.56 | mickey|zzZZzz | eeks |
| 22:29.02 | mickey|zzZZzz | a # |
| 22:29.08 | mickey|zzZZzz | oh well |
| 22:29.10 | mickey|zzZZzz | ok |
| 22:29.20 | roh | how should it distinguish ticket ids from plain string content otherwise? |
| 22:29.38 | roh | the point is that it will also get the svn commitlogs in there.. |
| 22:29.56 | mickey|zzZZzz | hmm |
| 22:30.01 | roh | as soon as tracs multirepo support is more stable i will add git in there too. |
| 22:30.08 | mickey|zzZZzz | well, fso work will mostly happen in git.freesmartphone.org |
| 22:30.17 | mickey|zzZZzz | if we can integrate this as well, lets think about adding milestones there |
| 22:30.27 | mickey|zzZZzz | do i have admin access yet? |
| 22:30.33 | mickey|zzZZzz | i need to add framework categories and stuff |
| 22:30.35 | roh | on freesmartphone.org? nope |
| 22:30.44 | roh | or what was the question? |
| 22:30.57 | roh | i can add you to the milestone-admins on docs |
| 22:30.57 | mickey|zzZZzz | development will happen in git.freesmartphone.org |
| 22:31.05 | mickey|zzZZzz | can we link this git tree to our trac |
| 22:32.10 | mickey|zzZZzz | [that was the questio] |
| 22:32.14 | roh | link? |
| 22:32.25 | mickey|zzZZzz | link / integrate |
| 22:32.25 | roh | we can add http links of course.. or what do you mean? |
| 22:32.32 | mickey|zzZZzz | or however benefit from using trac |
| 22:32.40 | roh | for real intregration one needs the repo on the same machine as the trac itself. |
| 22:32.50 | roh | and currently it can only handle one repo at a time. |
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| 22:32.53 | mickey|zzZZzz | ah, too bad |
| 22:33.22 | roh | yeah. but somehow obvious when one digs through the details for some time. |
| 22:33.42 | mickey|zzZZzz | sure, no doubt about that. i will need to think more about the relationship of the fso work and Om in general |
| 22:33.50 | mickey|zzZZzz | before starting to use the openmoko trac for fso stuff |
| 22:34.12 | mickey|zzZZzz | but anyways, bed time now |
| 22:34.14 | mickey|zzZZzz | g'night |
| 22:34.22 | roh | you either need a local repo or a cloned one which is 100% in sync with the master |
| 22:34.30 | roh | mickey|zzZZzz n8 .. |
| 22:34.47 | josch | n8 mickey|zzZZzz |
| 22:35.14 | roh | mmmmhg.. not only one would need multi-repo and multi-project support, but also meta-project |
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| 22:45.27 | josch | jOERG, ping? |
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| 22:47.17 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r9053e5be847d 10/oeventd/modules/receiver.py: python-oeventd: revamp gstreamer control to work around increasing amount of latency |
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| 23:12.13 | donkeyXotto | ?can it be that parts of Angstrom server were down yesterday |
| 23:12.24 | summatusmentis | very possible |
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| 23:40.14 | epsino | hello guys |
| 23:40.43 | epsino | freerunner is realy in mass production ?! we can buy it on july ?!?!?! |
| 23:40.54 | epsino | is for end users ?! |
| 23:41.03 | mmontour | Yes, maybe, no. |
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| 23:56.07 | epsino | why not mmontour ?! |
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| 23:57.00 | lime | hi |
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| 23:57.17 | lime | hello |
| 23:57.41 | mmontour | epsino: The software will not be end-user-ready (or even close to it) by July. |
| 23:58.50 | epsino | ahhhhh, so, only the hardware will be ready |
| 23:59.22 | epsino | ? |