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| 00:07.52 | manu_ | hi there ! what's new about the freerunner ? |
| 00:08.10 | CVirus | MOAR PR0N |
| 00:08.12 | manu_ | any release date ? |
| 00:08.15 | CVirus | manu_: /topic |
| 00:09.09 | manu_ | sorry i'm new in this chat... i really don't know how it works... |
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| 00:16.08 | CVirus | manu__: read the topic ! |
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| 00:27.33 | SpeedEvil | wonders what the date was between GTA01 MP and first people getting theirs. |
| 00:27.40 | SpeedEvil | It was about 6 weeks wasn't it? |
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| 01:32.59 | wurp2 | Does anyone know how to get the keyboard applet icon to show up? |
| 01:33.17 | wurp2 | Installing openmoko-keyboard used to do it, I thought, but now that isn't in the repo any more... |
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| 01:45.02 | zash | is there ruby in om? |
| 01:45.19 | zash | just found wxruby |
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| 02:54.59 | zash | omc |
| 02:55.03 | zash | s/c/g/ |
| 02:55.15 | zash | http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/amd-achieves-open-gl-es-2-0-compliance-brings-xbox-360-graphics/ |
| 02:56.56 | zash | something for gta04+? |
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| 03:00.20 | SpeedEvil | boo: electrons |
| 03:00.21 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 03:42.55 | wurp2 | OK, I can see that my scaredycat.conf appears to point to http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/Packages, and that directory holds matchbox-keyboard |
| 03:43.04 | wurp2 | but opkg install matchbox-keyboard fails |
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| 03:43.49 | wurp2 | using the -V 3 parameter didn't provide any useful information - my opkg says it's parsing scaredycat.conf, but as far as I can tell it doesn't see most scaredycat packages |
| 03:44.03 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, asu usable yet? |
| 03:44.57 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, i'm going to have to bring the gta01v4 to FUDCon rather then the freerunner... i'd like to get a build flashed onto the device so i can break it in (hopefully the asu build.. as the gtk stack [as i understand it] is now heading towards stagnation) |
| 03:47.26 | wurp2 | daMaestro: Everything I've heard (including news today from kdean06) says that ASU is not yet usable |
| 03:47.35 | wurp2 | I am wrestling gtk stack issues right now |
| 03:48.06 | wurp2 | It's pissing me off, because no one said "by the way, the only OM stack that works is likely to be busted soon" |
| 03:48.35 | daMaestro | i like the asu update |
| 03:49.03 | daMaestro | everything [gui] i've written has been gtk so far, and i really don't like it that much |
| 03:49.53 | daMaestro | gazpacho helped me keep my sanity; but even the cool gazpacho features are not supported by the standard gtk (and no word from upstream on when that will be fixed; if) |
| 03:51.06 | wurp2 | I'm not down on the asu |
| 03:51.58 | wurp2 | I just would really like for someone to have made a stable copy of gtk off somewhere, and refer people to it, before they moved all their attention to asu, then commited stuff that broke gtk :-( |
| 03:56.30 | kdean06 | wurp2, There's still my recommended images. :P: |
| 03:56.33 | wurp2 | Does anyone remember the dns proxy daemon name? |
| 03:56.46 | wurp2 | kdean06: That works great until I try to install matchbox-keyboard |
| 03:56.50 | kdean06 | If I had known ASU would kill 2007.02, I'd probably have raised flags. :P |
| 03:56.51 | wurp2 | Actually, it doesn't |
| 03:57.06 | wurp2 | because from those, when I try to install anything from those images, it kills openmoko-today |
| 03:57.10 | kdean06 | wurp2, Matchbox keyboard vanished from the Openmoko repos MONTHS before the ASU came out. |
| 03:57.19 | wurp2 | But XorA|gone knows about that and is fixing it soon, I think |
| 03:57.20 | kdean06 | I'm sure I sent you an e-mail about that. |
| 03:57.34 | wurp2 | kdean06: I don't see how it could have been months... I didn't think it had been that long since I burned |
| 03:57.55 | kdean06 | It was. |
| 03:57.56 | wurp2 | kdean06: btw, matchbox-keyboard is in ScaredyCat's repositories |
| 03:58.14 | kdean06 | wurp2, Do you recall when Erin wrote the instructions about replacing the T9 input? |
| 03:58.43 | kdean06 | Literally a few days later, the instructions were invalid, since it had been removed. |
| 03:58.57 | wurp2 | My only issue with ScaredyCat's stuff is badness on my part: I am running on a new pc, and I don't have the dns proxy daemon installed, so all opkg remote installs not in my /etc/hosts are failing |
| 03:59.00 | kdean06 | I can even show you the day in my reviews when I removed the "Switching Keyboards" link. |
| 03:59.04 | wurp2 | kdean06: That is very weird |
| 03:59.34 | wurp2 | But... Erin's post is where I copied the "new & improved" Switching Keyboards instructions |
| 03:59.58 | wurp2 | And I would have sworn that it was weeks after I copied those in that we were still referring ppl to them |
| 04:00.51 | wurp2 | I can believe, I guess, that somehow that all slipped past me... but I know near the end of April, I updated my neo |
| 04:00.53 | kdean06 | wurp2, I'm a bit drunk. :P |
| 04:01.05 | kdean06 | wurp2, s/months/a decent cunk of time/ |
| 04:01.08 | wurp2 | and I always run my little script that installs matchbox-keyboard after that |
| 04:01.10 | kdean06 | chunk* |
| 04:01.16 | wurp2 | wurp2: OK, that I can definitely believe |
| 04:01.31 | wurp2 | Even > 1 month, if it happened right after the last time I did a burn |
| 04:01.45 | wurp2 | I even vaguely recall an email now... |
| 04:01.47 | wurp2 | ;-) |
| 04:03.47 | wurp2 | I wish I were drinking |
| 04:04.00 | wurp2 | I've had a sinus infection for 6 weeks, and drinking makes it resurge :-( |
| 04:04.04 | kdean06 | wurp2, Notice http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Snapshot_review/2008-04-17 I have the "Switching Keyboard" link and beginning http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Snapshot_review/2008-04-18 I removed it... |
| 04:04.27 | wurp2 | Damn, that is months |
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| 04:04.40 | wurp2 | I thought I had updated after 4/18... I thought my last burn was 4/30 |
| 04:05.16 | wurp2 | Anyone remember the name of the linux daemon that looks like a dns server, but is just a pass-through to your real dns? |
| 04:05.53 | kdean06 | dnsmasq? |
| 04:06.03 | wurp2 | kdean06: Thanks! |
| 04:06.22 | kdean06 | I've got a script that just hits the iptables forward. :) |
| 04:06.55 | wurp2 | I am embarrassed to say that I have not mastered iptables |
| 04:07.21 | wurp2 | I am not much of an admin... often I find it easier to write a little tool to do something than figure out the way to configure the real tool to do it :-/ |
| 04:07.30 | kdean06 | moko-dns-forwarding is LITERALLY a copy/paste of the USB Networking block, with the last IP changed to fit my network. |
| 04:08.00 | kdean06 | Literally, I pasted -> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Proxying_with_iptables |
| 04:08.24 | kdean06 | One tiny complaint, but it's not that big of a deal and probably doesn't apply to most people here. |
| 04:08.30 | wurp2 | OK, beautimus. *Now* I'm seeing ScaredyCat's repositories, and should be back in business with a working gta01 tomorrow |
| 04:09.33 | wurp2 | kdean06: There's a lot of cool stuff in ScaredyCat's releases now. You should check out the 6/11 one. For example, bt scanning, gui for desktop clock manipulation (size, analog v digital, etc.), setting background image... |
| 04:10.12 | kdean06 | HE he |
| 04:10.20 | kdean06 | Lemme guess, you like the little clock? :P |
| 04:10.24 | wurp2 | I do |
| 04:10.34 | wurp2 | So I can see more of that 280 dpi image |
| 04:10.38 | wurp2 | Or whatever it is |
| 04:10.46 | kdean06 | There's a dbus command to force that... At one point I think I put that in there. :P |
| 04:11.07 | wurp2 | Yeah, I have it in my init script |
| 04:11.09 | kdean06 | :D |
| 04:11.16 | wurp2 | But it's cooler to do it through the gui :-) |
| 04:11.24 | kdean06 | It's kinda sad, honestly, all of the things 2007.02 could do that nobody knew about. :P |
| 04:11.34 | kdean06 | I'll try one of ScaredyCat's images. :) |
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| 04:11.42 | kdean06 | He's always done good work. |
| 04:11.55 | wurp2 | Yeah |
| 04:11.59 | wurp2 | I tried one early on |
| 04:12.05 | kdean06 | I've been using Trolltech's latest Qtopia image since ASU became the "default" . |
| 04:12.11 | wurp2 | But it didn't have enough extra stuff ot make me switch |
| 04:12.21 | wurp2 | How is the terminal? |
| 04:12.24 | wurp2 | And Qtopia keyboard? |
| 04:12.29 | kdean06 | There isn't one, as far as I know. |
| 04:12.32 | kdean06 | Terminal, that is. |
| 04:12.42 | kdean06 | And the keyboard is meh. |
| 04:12.54 | kdean06 | I'm really more a fan of stable than "functional". |
| 04:13.10 | wurp2 | I was told by ljp that there is a keyboard now |
| 04:13.11 | kdean06 | I can send SMS 100% of the time with a bad keyboard. :) |
| 04:13.18 | wurp2 | Well, I really like the terminal |
| 04:13.20 | kdean06 | There's several. :) |
| 04:13.21 | wurp2 | I don't sms much |
| 04:13.22 | wurp2 | but... |
| 04:13.34 | kdean06 | QWERTY kbd, predictive (or close)... |
| 04:13.38 | wurp2 | Sms has been totally broken for me for a while without me realizing it, so that would be nice |
| 04:13.41 | kdean06 | But neither are "good". |
| 04:13.45 | kdean06 | But that's kinda subjective. |
| 04:13.56 | kdean06 | I SMS more than I call. |
| 04:14.10 | kdean06 | I'm a HUGE fan of Qtopia, all things said and considered. |
| 04:14.15 | wurp2 | I need to play with it |
| 04:14.16 | wurp2 | SMS |
| 04:14.18 | wurp2 | and Qtopia |
| 04:14.20 | kdean06 | I've got hihg hopes for what the ASU will become. |
| 04:14.42 | kdean06 | But today, IMO, for the 1973 Qtopia is the best thing you can run on it if you want a stable phone. |
| 04:15.00 | wurp2 | yeah |
| 04:15.01 | kdean06 | Though... I REALLY wish Trolltech would release more current images. |
| 04:15.26 | wurp2 | It turned me off not to have terminal, since that's really the one cool geeky thing you can do with the neo |
| 04:15.32 | kdean06 | I've compared the Feburay image and the latest (march, may, something) and there's bugs in the recent that weren't there in the second-to-recent and vice versa. |
| 04:15.35 | wurp2 | And gps is important to me |
| 04:15.46 | kdean06 | Yeah. :( |
| 04:15.56 | kdean06 | There's a ton of good options for 3/4 of the features. :) |
| 04:16.01 | kdean06 | No good option for all of them. |
| 04:16.06 | wurp2 | And I dunno how to control what shows up in media player & picture list... it searches the whole sd card, which shows lots of crap that doesn't belong |
| 04:16.28 | wurp2 | kdean06: Yep |
| 04:16.31 | wurp2 | Some day... |
| 04:16.32 | kdean06 | wurp2, For me, the SINGLE biggest benefit to Qtopia is the fact that Qtopia's Media Player can rewind and Fast Forward audio. |
| 04:16.39 | wurp2 | kdean06: Heh |
| 04:16.49 | wurp2 | I actually still plan to build a simple media player |
| 04:16.59 | wurp2 | And I'm pretty sure I can do that w/o much trouble |
| 04:17.28 | wurp2 | But there will probably be much better options before I get around to it :-) |
| 04:17.47 | kdean06 | I'm sad by the little attention media gets. :( |
| 04:18.07 | kdean06 | I use my 1973 as a podcast player probably 50x more than as a phone, minute per minute. |
| 04:18.10 | ljp | kdean06: there has been no releases of newer qtopia images, as we are working on qtopia 4.4.. |
| 04:18.14 | wurp2 | Well, for me my neo is basically phone, media player, gps & terminal |
| 04:18.18 | ljp | there will be a browser on it |
| 04:18.25 | kdean06 | ljp, I'm fine with that then. :) 4.4 is sexy! |
| 04:18.38 | wurp2 | I never do podcast, but play mp3s all the time |
| 04:18.40 | ljp | hopefully it will still work :) |
| 04:18.54 | kdean06 | wurp2, Safe diff. :) My podcasts are MP3s. :) |
| 04:18.57 | wurp2 | ljp: I need to set up dual boot :-) |
| 04:19.05 | kdean06 | Free Talk Live. |
| 04:19.06 | ljp | there will also be a 'mappingdemo' which just prints to coords |
| 04:19.46 | ljp | but oneof the htclinux guys wrote a gps mapping app |
| 04:20.07 | wurp2 | ljp: Really? |
| 04:20.10 | wurp2 | Works on neo? |
| 04:20.16 | ljp | yes |
| 04:20.19 | wurp2 | Yay! |
| 04:20.45 | ljp | wont be in the qtoia image, but i will make one available at qtopia.net |
| 04:20.55 | ljp | same with the term |
| 04:20.58 | wurp2 | qpeGPS? |
| 04:21.36 | kdean06 | ljp, I know that "long ago" there was the annoucement that Trolltech has settled on the 1973 as a targeted platform after the greenphone was discontinued. Is there any official attention on the Freerunner, or are they "the same"? |
| 04:21.56 | ljp | i have been working with the gta02 |
| 04:22.01 | kdean06 | Okay. :) |
| 04:22.19 | ljp | still not sure what we are going to do with the sensors |
| 04:22.25 | kdean06 | Sensors? |
| 04:22.30 | kdean06 | Accellerometer? |
| 04:22.39 | kdean06 | Er... Whatever. :P |
| 04:22.46 | kdean06 | Turkey sammich... BRB |
| 04:23.05 | wurp2 | drunk, eating a turkey sammich. Wish I could be you. |
| 04:24.03 | ljp | accellerometers |
| 04:24.11 | ljp | you can! |
| 04:24.31 | wurp2 | Well, I'm allergic to wheat. |
| 04:24.47 | wurp2 | So sammiches are right out, except crappy ones made with bread with no "real" flour. |
| 04:24.49 | ljp | just get some wheatless bread |
| 04:24.58 | wurp2 | it tastes like crap |
| 04:25.09 | wurp2 | Actually, taste is not so bad; consistency really suffers. |
| 04:25.43 | wurp2 | And I have a sinus infection right now, which really comes back hard the next day if I drink at all. |
| 04:25.51 | wurp2 | So, I don't really wish I could be him |
| 04:26.00 | wurp2 | Because I would really feel like shit tomorrow. |
| 04:26.11 | wurp2 | I wish I could be him WITHOUT feeling like shit tomorrow. |
| 04:27.08 | kdean06 | wurp2, Sorry, I forgot you told me about that. :( |
| 04:27.15 | kdean06 | No bread, no beer... |
| 04:27.47 | kdean06 | I'd starve to death. :P Bread is the only solid food I eat, and 90% of my nutrients come from beer. :) |
| 04:27.48 | wurp2 | Well, I can normally drink beer |
| 04:27.58 | wurp2 | If I avoid wheat beer |
| 04:28.11 | ljp | i hate sinusitis |
| 04:28.13 | wurp2 | Good purity-law-compliant German beer is fine |
| 04:28.32 | wurp2 | ljp: I don't get it too often, but it is damnably pernicious once I do. |
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| 04:29.58 | kdean06 | Most beers comply with Reinheitsgebot. |
| 04:30.21 | kdean06 | UNless you drink American beer. :P |
| 04:30.27 | kdean06 | Or Japanese. :) |
| 04:30.32 | wurp2 | kdean06: Even most of the imports I see have wheat |
| 04:30.42 | kdean06 | Wow. |
| 04:30.43 | wurp2 | kdean06: I only trust the ones that list ingredients, which is rare. |
| 04:30.56 | raster | kdean06: if u want to really try asu u need to build it yourself from the git repo and use oe etc. etc. |
| 04:30.57 | kdean06 | Wheat makes a clove or banana flavor usually. |
| 04:31.05 | raster | i hope u're doing that :) |
| 04:31.17 | kdean06 | I'm not a clueful UNIX user. :P |
| 04:31.30 | kdean06 | If it's not scripted, it doesn't exist. :P |
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| 04:32.31 | raster | i think theres a new mokomakefile with stuff in it for this |
| 04:32.38 | raster | i just patched my older makefile... |
| 04:32.45 | wurp2 | Cheezy feel-good ubuntu story: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-May/004196.html |
| 04:32.54 | kdean06 | raster, I'm being slightly caustic. :) Other man MokoMakefile, is there any documentation on that? I'd happily do it but I'm not sure how. |
| 04:33.10 | kdean06 | s/man/than/ |
| 04:33.19 | raster | kdean06: nup |
| 04:33.30 | kdean06 | But mokokmakefile does it? |
| 04:33.32 | raster | kdean06: we'd make out daily images public - but we've been told not to do that |
| 04:33.35 | raster | so you're on your own |
| 04:33.37 | kdean06 | On the qtopia-x11-image? |
| 04:33.43 | kdean06 | Wow! |
| 04:33.53 | wurp2 | Does anyone know why my matchbox-keyboard-applet doesn't run after being installed? |
| 04:33.53 | kdean06 | raster, Who should I bitch to about that directive? |
| 04:33.57 | kdean06 | If you can say? |
| 04:34.11 | wurp2 | I thought you just had to install it & restart matchbox |
| 04:34.12 | raster | not me |
| 04:34.17 | kdean06 | lol |
| 04:34.19 | kdean06 | Got that! |
| 04:35.11 | raster | :) |
| 04:36.28 | wurp2 | Does anyone know where the applet list for matchbox-panel is configured? |
| 04:37.08 | wurp2 | nm, found it |
| 04:39.53 | kdean06 | Thanks raster. I'll look into using BB and OE. I'm a bit surprised that theres a difference between what's being shown and whats being built. |
| 04:40.12 | kdean06 | Errr, git and oe. :) |
| 04:40.36 | raster | kdean06: of course there is |
| 04:40.48 | raster | because asu is "unreleased" |
| 04:40.54 | kdean06 | ORLY? |
| 04:40.56 | kdean06 | :) |
| 04:41.10 | raster | itsin this hybrid open but still closed state |
| 04:41.17 | raster | where u can see it being worked on if u pay attention |
| 04:41.18 | raster | and dig |
| 04:41.27 | raster | and can build it yourself - if u know how |
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| 04:41.33 | raster | but no one is going to help u :) |
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| 04:43.12 | kdean06 | I've muddled around areas like that before... I'm sure I'll manage. |
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| 04:44.23 | mmontour | Whenever I try to build an openmoko-qtopia-x11-image, I get do_fetch() failures on all of the 'e' stuff. But if I run the command again it usually works the second time. Does anyone know why this happens or what can be done about it? |
| 04:45.24 | raster | its fetching from anonymous cvs |
| 04:45.41 | raster | its possible anoncvs is full (# connection/user count at the time) or just being slow |
| 04:45.55 | daMaestro | kdean06, so.. you've not had any luck with asu on gta01? |
| 04:46.10 | raster | asu on gta01 is something we should work at later |
| 04:46.16 | raster | problem is that it almost doesnt fit |
| 04:46.23 | raster | and we have to trim a lot of squeeze it on |
| 04:46.34 | raster | that just requires time and patience and attention to detail |
| 04:46.43 | daMaestro | yeah, i just wanted to show off ASU at fudcon next week |
| 04:46.54 | daMaestro | (and the only hardware i have is the gta01) |
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| 04:47.08 | wurp2 | raster: And is probably better done *after* you've figured out what stuff you have to add in to get it to work at all :-) |
| 04:47.12 | daMaestro | fudcon/redhat summit ;-) |
| 04:47.44 | mmontour | It might be a load issue but it seems quite consistent - it fails the first time and works the second. I thought it might be related to the datestamps in the versions (like how the build fails if the clock rolls over past midnight UTC while it's building) |
| 04:48.06 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9f78faef6efb 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): newer revs of illume and efl/e |
| 04:48.17 | raster | wurp2: yes - also i know we ship several mb of data files we dont need |
| 04:48.20 | raster | like themes and such |
| 04:48.39 | raster | but removing them has implications on the overlay-themes |
| 04:49.06 | kdean06 | daMaestro, I think it's simply, at this point, that ASU (images I can access) aren't as mature even as the 2007.02 images I was testing, so I'm perhaps biased. :) |
| 04:49.32 | raster | kdean06: what images were u testing? |
| 04:50.08 | kdean06 | There are some distros I've heard of announced that haven't had 2 months of development and they work more poorly than the ASU, if it's a perspective thingy. :P |
| 04:50.22 | kdean06 | raster, The images on buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 04:51.26 | kdean06 | I was testing them daily and filing bugs when they broke. :P Not the most stable things in the world, but they worked. I've not seen that level of succes on the 01 or 02 except for Qtopia's official releases on the 02. |
| 04:51.29 | kdean06 | 021 |
| 04:51.32 | kdean06 | Meh. |
| 04:51.35 | kdean06 | 9173! |
| 04:51.40 | kdean06 | gives up |
| 04:52.18 | raster | i dont see any fs or kenrle images |
| 04:52.21 | raster | just package feeds |
| 04:53.16 | raster | just a sec |
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| 04:53.21 | raster | there they arre |
| 04:53.22 | raster | daily |
| 04:53.57 | raster | ok |
| 04:54.00 | raster | up to date ones there |
| 04:54.07 | raster | 0611 |
| 04:54.44 | raster | testing on a gta01 or 02? |
| 04:54.44 | daMaestro | gta01 |
| 04:55.28 | raster | then it may definitely have major issues |
| 04:56.42 | daMaestro | yeah, i might end up bringing the qtopia build along with me |
| 04:56.57 | daMaestro | hopefully i'll be able to get a buildhost setup to try a asu build over the weekend |
| 04:57.05 | daMaestro | i've been meaning to look at the new git repo |
| 04:57.10 | wurp2 | daMaestro: ScaredyCat's 0611 build works fine |
| 04:57.12 | daMaestro | i might even start contributing... ;-) |
| 04:57.22 | daMaestro | wurp2, link? |
| 04:57.36 | wurp2 | daMaestro: I recommend following the instructions on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards after you install to get a better keyboard |
| 04:57.38 | daMaestro | monotone was... umm.. yeah; it turned me away from working on the platform |
| 04:57.55 | wurp2 | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ |
| 04:58.19 | CM | daMaestro: Why not try booting from flash? |
| 04:58.29 | CM | Then you can have both :) |
| 04:59.06 | daMaestro | CM, i don't know how |
| 04:59.39 | wurp2 | OK, off to bed |
| 04:59.44 | CM | daMaestro: I think ScaredyCat or torpor wrote some howto |
| 04:59.53 | CM | Might even be in the wiki :) |
| 04:59.57 | wurp2 | My neo is now working fine again, thanks to ScaredyCat |
| 05:00.09 | wurp2 | I'm pretty sure it is in the wiki |
| 05:01.10 | daMaestro | yeah, i need to ZzzZ too |
| 05:01.22 | daMaestro | i'll just bring my device into work tomorrow and flash a couple of images |
| 05:01.26 | CM | needs to go to his firewalled work :( |
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| 05:02.13 | saurabh1403 | hello everyone |
| 05:03.06 | saurabh1403 | I am getting an error while registering a project at openmoko wiki |
| 05:03.27 | saurabh1403 | The error is " |
| 05:03.27 | saurabh1403 | ERROR: Could not create group: ERROR: value too long for type character varying(255) |
| 05:03.46 | saurabh1403 | can someone help me how to fix it |
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| 05:11.02 | daMaestro | type less then 255 chars? |
| 05:11.08 | daMaestro | & |
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| 05:16.42 | saurabh1403 | daMaestro: i tried that also |
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| 05:53.09 | Psi | i know this is a quite difficult question to answer, but how close roughly do you think we are to having a usable gta01, one that can wake/sleep reliably and last long enough for one days use. Are there still a lot of avenues to go down for fixes or is it looking more and more likely that it's just not possible with gta01? |
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| 05:55.43 | mmontour | Psi: these days the GTA01 software side is going backwards. 2007.2 was just starting to get usable when they shitcanned it and went to ASU. |
| 05:57.46 | Psi | so how usable do you think the gta02 will be when its out? |
| 05:57.49 | ljp | qtopia works :) |
| 05:58.14 | mmontour | ljp: I've tried a few times and qtopia has never worked for me. |
| 05:58.15 | Psi | ljp, yeah, i want to develop apps for openmoko tho, so qtopia isnt so useful |
| 05:58.43 | ljp | mmontour: what doesnt work? |
| 05:59.29 | Psi | qtopia worked fine for me |
| 05:59.49 | mmontour | The touchscreen was unresponsive (or extremely slow) - I'd click something and it would just sit there. |
| 06:00.05 | Psi | heh openmoko on gta01 does that too |
| 06:00.28 | Psi | i figured it was just due to the slow cpu |
| 06:00.57 | mmontour | Openmoko had a bit of lag. Qtopia was "go and have a coffee while you wait" slow. |
| 06:01.04 | Psi | oh, i didnt get that |
| 06:01.45 | mmontour | I last tried a few months ago. I can give it another shot if there's a more recent qtopia image. So far I haven't been able to build a usable openmoko-qtopia-image from the OM repository. |
| 06:03.02 | ljp | mmontour: you mean when answering or making a call? |
| 06:03.45 | mmontour | When trying to launch the dialer (for example). I don't remember what it did on an incoming call, but I don't think that I ever got that to work. |
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| 06:04.22 | Psi | so how usable is gta02 looking to be at release? |
| 06:04.50 | raster | what do u guys think of lua? |
| 06:05.20 | mmontour | gta02 seems to be in much better shape with respect to suspend/resume. My main concern is audio issues like echo, which may not be fixable in software. |
| 06:05.53 | mmontour | raster: I like Lua, but it sucks for some applications (e.g. lack of bitwise operators) |
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| 06:07.02 | Psi | echo from sidetone? |
| 06:07.14 | raster | mon more for adding logic into things - like building ui's etc. |
| 06:07.20 | raster | definitely not for number crunshing |
| 06:08.00 | mmontour | Psi: It's the reverse of sidetone - audio from the speaker is coupled back into the microphone. |
| 06:08.33 | Psi | through the air? or electrically? |
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| 06:09.41 | mmontour | Through the air. |
| 06:09.58 | Psi | :( |
| 06:10.48 | Psi | ya think the sound is conducting through the case? |
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| 06:12.39 | mmontour | Yes, it seems to be mainly through the case. If you put your finger over the hole in front of the earpiece speaker, the coupled audio gets louder. |
| 06:12.48 | Psi | weird |
| 06:14.07 | Psi | atleast a problem like that had a few solutions available to the advanced end user |
| 06:15.23 | mmontour | raster: I haven't done any UI stuff in Lua. It is good at integrating with C/C++ programs and making them more "scriptable". The coroutine stuff can also be quite useful. |
| 06:16.02 | raster | mmm |
| 06:16.04 | raster | it looks ok |
| 06:17.01 | mmontour | I also like how light-weight Lua is compared to some of the alternatives (Python, I'm looking in your direction...) |
| 06:17.41 | mudyc | what does light-weight mean in this context? |
| 06:19.19 | mmontour | light-weight = amount of code that gets linked in to your program, or is required as a runtime library. |
| 06:20.55 | mmontour | When I was trying to reverse-engineer the GTA01's GPS protocol, I wrote a Lua program to intercept and modify the packets between 'gllin' and the Hammerhead chip. I briefly tried to do the same thing with Python, but it wanted me to install a whole pile of libraries before it would run (which was difficult because all of these had to be OABI instead of EABI). |
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| 06:24.06 | ljp | raster: do you know if apm is working on gta02? I cant seem to get good battery info from it. |
| 06:24.35 | mmontour | ljp: I just tried to download a recent Qtopia image from the Trolltech site but it says that the Qtopia open source packages have been removed due to "copyright inconsistencies". |
| 06:25.10 | mmontour | (ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/) |
| 06:25.45 | raster | ljp: no idea. i se the new 2.6.25 power class stuff |
| 06:26.40 | ljp | mmontour: ya.. ;/ |
| 06:27.13 | raster | ljp: ie /sys/class/power_supply |
| 06:29.42 | ljp | ahh ok |
| 06:30.16 | raster | apm suppoty is a bit of a hack |
| 06:30.19 | raster | its emulated |
| 06:30.22 | raster | it may have... issues |
| 06:30.27 | ljp | it does |
| 06:31.31 | hepaajan | thos: Here's gsmd2 bb file in case you need it still: http://pastebin.ca/1045777 |
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| 06:42.47 | mickey|ICE694 | morning folks |
| 06:44.29 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 06:45.05 | raster | mickey|ICE694: ICE? |
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| 06:52.31 | mickey|ICE694 | intercity express |
| 06:52.35 | mickey|ICE694 | fastest train ever |
| 06:52.37 | mickey|ICE694 | *cough* |
| 06:52.39 | mickey|ICE694 | on my way to Braunschweig for Framework Milestone 1 Release Hackathon |
| 06:53.23 | ScaredyCat | ice train ? |
| 06:54.15 | ScaredyCat | there's one that goes from Amsterdam, it doesn't actually go fast until it exits .nl - because the lines are so poor |
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| 06:59.17 | mickey|ICE694 | yeah, that's the curse of the old tracks |
| 06:59.19 | mickey|ICE694 | same here in many places in .de |
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| 06:59.46 | raster | mickey|ICE694: oh cool! internude on the train! |
| 07:00.43 | mickey|ICE694 | the train could actually go much faster if it wasn't for the lousy tracks |
| 07:00.43 | mickey|ICE694 | hmm, i need an umts card |
| 07:00.43 | mickey|ICE694 | gprs so doesn't cut it, it's hurting |
| 07:00.43 | mickey|ICE694 | ah well, i shouldn't complain about that in this channel *g* |
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| 07:01.01 | mickey|ICE694 | hardly :D |
| 07:01.06 | mickey|ICE694 | morsche tholin |
| 07:01.27 | mickey|ICE694 | oops |
| 07:01.27 | mickey|ICE694 | thomasg, even |
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| 07:03.17 | raster | oooh |
| 07:03.20 | raster | you're on gprs? |
| 07:03.29 | ScaredyCat | ouch |
| 07:03.43 | raster | just think... your next step wil be to edge! |
| 07:03.44 | raster | :) |
| 07:03.54 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 07:03.59 | stefan_schmidt | hello guys |
| 07:04.01 | stefan_schmidt | yo raster |
| 07:04.24 | stefan_schmidt | mumbles about mickey|ICE694 should use the neo as gprs gateway |
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| 07:04.58 | raster | stefan_schmidt: yoyo! |
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| 07:08.49 | mickey|ICE694 | hmm, so... any lawyers in da house? remind me... was that 20 years of copyright for music? |
| 07:08.59 | mickey|ICE694 | ya, that's "ok" |
| 07:09.03 | mickey|ICE694 | looking forward to id |
| 07:09.05 | mickey|ICE694 | it, even |
| 07:09.09 | mickey|ICE694 | stefan_schmidt: of course, IIRC that's on schedule for framework milestone 6 |
| 07:09.21 | mickey|ICE694 | actually looking forward to any kind of new modem |
| 07:09.29 | mickey|ICE694 | although the longer I work with it, the less annoying the calypso is |
| 07:09.31 | mickey|ICE694 | getting used to it |
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| 07:09.39 | mudyc | mickey|ICE694: 20 years for a patent. it's a lot of longer for art |
| 07:09.49 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|ICE694: I think 50 years, but IANAL either |
| 07:10.48 | methril | morning |
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| 07:11.12 | ScaredyCat | death+50 aint it? |
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| 07:12.10 | stefan_schmidt | ScaredyCat: ah, good point. Indeed it should be 50 years after death |
| 07:12.16 | mudyc | in finland it's death + 70 years |
| 07:12.19 | ScaredyCat | oh, wait... didn't I see something about cliff richard getting all aresey because some of his stuff was going to expire and he was still singing |
| 07:12.20 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 07:12.39 | ScaredyCat | goes to lookup |
| 07:13.07 | ScaredyCat | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4917550.stm |
| 07:13.26 | ScaredyCat | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/25/wrinkly_funksters_want_groove_cash/ |
| 07:14.10 | mickey|ICE694 | uuh right |
| 07:14.12 | mickey|ICE694 | hmm |
| 07:14.16 | mickey|ICE694 | ok, i need to double check distributing mods and sids then |
| 07:15.19 | ScaredyCat | well, you just need to distribute your own... and mention HVSC :) |
| 07:16.36 | mickey|ICE694 | it's actually because i consider including music from c64 and amiga games as ring tones |
| 07:16.36 | mickey|ICE694 | only if i can legally do that, of course |
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| 07:19.02 | mickey|ICE694 | *nod* |
| 07:19.02 | mickey|ICE694 | hmm |
| 07:19.02 | mickey|ICE694 | i might even do some new ones |
| 07:19.02 | mickey|ICE694 | yeah, why not |
| 07:19.37 | ScaredyCat | yes.. but unless you can get in touch with the software house or artist involved you wont be hitting the 50+ years for a long time |
| 07:20.09 | ScaredyCat | so drop a few of your in and then say "google for hvsc" - it's the first link :) |
| 07:21.20 | ScaredyCat | they just (recently ) added another 900 tunes! |
| 07:21.25 | ScaredyCat | updates |
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| 07:23.37 | ScaredyCat | looks suspiciously at stefan_schmidt |
| 07:23.55 | stefan_schmidt | has nothing to hide |
| 07:24.35 | stefan_schmidt | tries the newest arm git on his mobile |
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| 07:25.42 | mickey|ICE694 | finds out milkytracker is now OSS |
| 07:26.48 | stefan_schmidt | searches what milkytracker is while waiting for a git http fetch |
| 07:28.37 | ScaredyCat | weeee ooo weeee oooo weee ooo wweeee ooo oooo duby duby dum duby duby dum dum beeeww pah cha ba beeeww pah cha.... |
| 07:28.43 | ScaredyCat | guess which sid ? |
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| 07:29.55 | stefan_schmidt | is to young for this kind of stuff |
| 07:30.24 | mickey|ICE694 | hmm |
| 07:30.24 | mickey|ICE694 | what's the general attitude towards speech samples? |
| 07:30.24 | mickey|ICE694 | annoying? |
| 07:30.25 | mickey|ICE694 | culturally problematic? |
| 07:30.27 | mickey|ICE694 | good? |
| 07:30.29 | mickey|ICE694 | i.e. "Incoming SMS" |
| 07:30.58 | mmontour | votes for "annoying" |
| 07:31.37 | ScaredyCat | agrees |
| 07:31.55 | ScaredyCat | although 'lame' seems more appropriate |
| 07:32.11 | ScaredyCat | it was fine when it was a new thing... |
| 07:32.33 | ScaredyCat | you mean we can't play sid files on sms? |
| 07:32.38 | ScaredyCat | :O) |
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| 07:35.16 | mmontour | SIDs were nice chips. When I had a C128 I did a hardware mod to add a second chip for stereo output. |
| 07:35.39 | ScaredyCat | hehe |
| 07:35.57 | ScaredyCat | thinks crazy comets should be the default |
| 07:37.01 | cekay | i don't think speechsamples are useful. if you really had to recognize them in your pocket, they need to be very loud or in a high pitch |
| 07:37.51 | mickey|ICE694 | course we can |
| 07:37.51 | mickey|ICE694 | just dreaming of sexy voices on incoming sms |
| 07:38.10 | mickey|ICE694 | stefan_schmidt: sid hightimes were about 83-85, mod hightimes 86-90. When were you born, again? |
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| 07:38.50 | cekay | mickey|ICE694, we all are since star trek tng ;) |
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| 07:40.00 | cekay | you guys saw that trolltech removed the qtopia gpl source from their ftps? |
| 07:40.15 | ScaredyCat | ! |
| 07:40.42 | cekay | ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/README_QTOPIA_GPL.txt |
| 07:41.59 | ljp | yep, we did |
| 07:42.17 | cekay | hi ljp |
| 07:42.30 | XorA|gone | cekay: you can always pull it from OM git :-) |
| 07:43.18 | cekay | :-) |
| 07:43.19 | XorA|gone | I guess nokias licensing machine turned on its new aquisition :-) I heard from nokia people they are a PITA deptartment |
| 07:43.51 | ljp | they have to be. Nokia has some deep pockets |
| 07:44.15 | XorA|gone | ljp: yeah I know, but it frustrates the open source guys no end |
| 07:45.26 | ljp | there is also git://git.asheesh.org/qtopia_snapshot.git |
| 07:45.55 | ljp | XorA|gone: yep. and I am one of theose open source guys now too |
| 07:46.20 | XorA|gone | buys ljp a cup of cocoa for the wait |
| 07:47.13 | Sonicadvance | I have a Nokia 6300! =O! |
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| 07:47.54 | ljp | soon i will have an E90 |
| 07:48.54 | mickey|ICE694 | cekay: (voices) exactly :) |
| 07:48.54 | mickey|ICE694 | (qtopia) d'oh!? |
| 07:48.59 | mickey|ICE694 | mmontour: oh, pretty cool! |
| 07:51.10 | mickey|ICE694 | waits for the .txt to drop bye over gprs |
| 07:51.40 | XorA|gone | waves his HSDPA at mickey|ICE694 |
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| 07:54.07 | mickey|ICE694 | XorA|gone: mmmh *envy* |
| 07:56.53 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie * r4c9610072973 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Initial import |
| 07:57.47 | mickey|ICE694 | hmm "temporarily"... lets see |
| 07:58.46 | ljp | it will be |
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| 08:00.43 | cekay | and it will be renamed to maemopia? ;-)) |
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| 08:01.30 | mickey|ICE694 | aah |
| 08:02.49 | raster | ljp: so tarballs pulled, but git still available? |
| 08:02.54 | ScaredyCat | miopia? |
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| 08:03.41 | cekay | git isn't official |
| 08:04.00 | ScaredyCat | mickey|ICE694: you seem to have got the hange on your lag and response |
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| 08:04.10 | ScaredyCat | s/hange/hang/ |
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| 08:09.48 | mickey|ICE694 | heh, well |
| 08:14.31 | XorA|gone | would make a joke about buying a decent phone, but that would be bad taste :-D |
| 08:14.48 | ScaredyCat | mmmm... |
| 08:14.56 | ScaredyCat | wassup with scap |
| 08:15.15 | ScaredyCat | does it run on your lappy mickey|ICE694 :P |
| 08:16.15 | ScaredyCat | http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/unsubsidized-iphone-3g-priced-at-499-569-in-europe/ |
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| 08:25.30 | mudyc | twice as expensive as freerunner :) |
| 08:26.08 | mjr | it's a bit less than I expected |
| 08:26.13 | maroi | not really twice.. the euro price is 350 in europe... |
| 08:26.31 | mjr | what with the 2g iphone having been higher at least at first |
| 08:26.33 | maroi | (for the freerunner) |
| 08:27.41 | mickey|ICE694 | no |
| 08:27.43 | mickey|ICE694 | large images? |
| 08:27.44 | mjr | depends on who you ask, pulster still quotes 299⬠as their price target but that's not committed before they start shipping it seems |
| 08:27.45 | mickey|ICE694 | probably guys w/ beagleboard running Angstrom |
| 08:28.10 | mickey|ICE694 | nice |
| 08:28.30 | mjr | (or well, until they start taking orders, which is when they're ready to ship) |
| 08:28.43 | maroi | mjr, personally i don't think they'll keep that price |
| 08:28.51 | mudyc | mjr: hw cost is dependant of the volume and now iphone is being sold in countries * 10 |
| 08:29.24 | mjr | mudyc, yes yes, I'm not _hugely_ surprised |
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| 08:31.16 | mickey|ICE694 | for the iphone hardware, i consider this being pretty decent. of course, freedom is priceless, so it's hard to compare |
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| 08:37.52 | mjr | yeah I very much don't like to get into the popular comparisons |
| 08:38.01 | mjr | it's just not an option |
| 08:39.13 | ScaredyCat | I'm pretty sure that ASU (working) on an iphone would make people cum in their pants |
| 08:42.50 | mjr | is glad though that people buying contract slave iphones have to take the contract out right away, makes things clearer |
| 08:44.07 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r977e1568e164 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [om2007.2] Install the settings-daemon to better integrate Gtk+ applications |
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| 08:45.59 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r3338b8f14cdc 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [diversity] To change the applications's title name to Splinter. |
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| 08:46.05 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r85c1067e0f7d 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [asu] Install the Openmoko Gtk+ theme to make gtk+ apps look like OM2007.2 |
| 08:46.08 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd6d4565ece20 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [srcdate] Build a more recent version of efl (crashes are gone) |
| 08:46.11 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf76fd324c4f7 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [exposure] Bump up reversion of exposure to 30. |
| 08:46.14 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r9177dd7c6c58 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [om2007.2] Install the settings-daemon to better integrate Gtk+ applications |
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| 08:46.24 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r67cb4683846f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: [srcrev] Update EFL to a more recent version |
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| 09:09.45 | zedstar_ | grins at the ML nonsense again |
| 09:14.41 | ScaredyCat | community? |
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| 09:15.55 | zedstar_ | yeh.......the muppet whinging about your post about compviz lol |
| 09:18.10 | ScaredyCat | just smile... :) |
| 09:18.31 | zedstar_ | i am....cant resist the wind up tho |
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| 10:40.55 | czr_ | (OT) does anyone know whether there's a channel for openocd somewhere? |
| 10:45.02 | SpeedEvil | #edev and #electronics may be places to ask. |
| 10:45.08 | czr_ | SpeedEvil, thanks |
| 10:45.49 | SpeedEvil | edev - embedded development |
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| 11:18.15 | mjr | what fun, qtopia gpl temporarilyy removed from servers due to copyright inconsistencise... |
| 11:18.58 | mjr | hope that isn't troublesome for om... |
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| 11:25.37 | CVirus | fork |
| 11:25.56 | CVirus | fuck you nokia |
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| 11:26.49 | mudyc | CVirus: ? |
| 11:27.30 | CVirus | [14:18] <mjr> what fun, qtopia gpl temporarilyy removed from servers due to copyright inconsistencise... |
| 11:27.31 | CVirus | [14:18] <mjr> hope that isn't troublesome for om... |
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| 11:32.29 | mudyc | uri for the news is: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/news/ |
| 11:33.54 | mjr | "let's take qtopia 'cause it's free and already works - oh bugger, the code quality sucks - oh bugger, it doesn't implement some basic gsm functionalities yet - oh bugger, copyright issues" ;/ |
| 11:34.45 | ScaredyCat | points at mickey_away's mux |
| 11:35.15 | XorA | copyright issues be easy enough to fix, they just stop shipping the 3rd party directory |
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| 11:42.05 | ScaredyCat | so why did they need to take down the source... other than for 5 minutes to remove that dir |
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| 11:42.45 | CVirus | so that no more copyright violations occur while they're removing the directories :-p |
| 11:42.56 | ScaredyCat | it's a bit late... |
| 11:43.04 | ScaredyCat | I have about 16 versions here... |
| 11:43.50 | ScaredyCat | points at the horse in the distance |
| 11:46.00 | CVirus | hehe |
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| 11:51.28 | XorA | shoots the horse in the distance, hmmm, cheap dog food |
| 11:51.47 | ebbe | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner "Thank you for purchasing this Developer release of Neo FreeRunner." It's a developer release? |
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| 11:54.25 | ebbe | thought the GTA01 was the developer release.. |
| 11:56.05 | ecraven | what are estimates until the european distributors will start sending out freerunners? |
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| 12:03.15 | ohiniho | ecraven: there are no etimations, my personal (very optimistic) are end of august |
| 12:03.17 | ohiniho | :-) |
| 12:03.37 | ecraven | oh, why so long? won't they be here in a month or so? |
| 12:03.55 | ohiniho | yeah, also in october 07 ;-) |
| 12:04.03 | ohiniho | and so on... :-) |
| 12:06.05 | N-Mi_ | I hope not, I bet with a coworker (who will spend holidays in USA in July) that I'll get my Freerunner before he get his iPhone2 :) |
| 12:06.45 | ebbe | N-Mi_: Hope you wins |
| 12:06.55 | ohin | me too :-) |
| 12:08.01 | N-Mi_ | yeah, I'm tired of compiling OpenMoko for hours to make it run so slowly on Qemu |
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| 13:32.42 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * r49ca8caa2af0 10/ophoned/modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py: python-ophoned: fix parameter names for ti_calypso |
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| 14:01.20 | milos_ | !logs |
| 14:01.22 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 14:01.23 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 14:01.24 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 14:01.25 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 14:01.27 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
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| 14:13.54 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r7f58cac5b1d0 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add mickeyterm, a convenient terminal program |
| 14:13.55 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r8f7dc774cb24 10/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): linux-omap2 git: bump SRCREV, add patch for beagleboard RTC support and add (disabled) patch that aims to enable the DVI chip |
| 14:13.55 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r2be08026c159 10/packages/anthy/ (4 files in 3 dirs): anthy: document unapplicable upstream-status for patches |
| 14:13.57 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03dirk 07org.openmoko.dev * rb25c5a1f7f9b 10/packages/cairo/ (cairo_1.5.2.bb cairo_1.6.4.bb): cairo: upgrade to 1.6.4 |
| 14:14.00 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03dirk 07org.openmoko.dev * r53d90094e9ca 10/packages/openipmi/.mtn2git_empty: openipmi: add 2.0.14 a set of tools to access the IPMI subsystem |
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| 14:14.03 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03dirk 07org.openmoko.dev * r30d74443c715 10/packages/netperf/ (netperf_2.4.2.bb netperf_2.4.4.bb): netperf: upgrade to 2.4.4 |
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| 14:14.06 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * r9135851b948e 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf: angstrom-2008.1: prefer bluez-utils for bluez-utils-dbus |
| 14:14.09 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * re3df8c9bb832 10/packages/ (5 files in 3 dirs): merge of '6fa9ef4e1d87a14ef1a17903570daeb24f495240' |
| 14:14.12 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r6ae9031f9343 10/packages/alsa/ (16 files in 3 dirs): alsa-state.bb : use openmoko-alsa-scenarios.bb from OM mtn |
| 14:14.21 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r6cc6fc6c7396 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (illume/illume-fix-includes.patch illume_svn.bb): illume_svn.bb : update from OM mtn |
| 14:14.24 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r0e94b0729f22 10/packages/classpath/classpath-native_0.97.1.bb: classpath-native_0.97.1.bb : add from OM mtn |
| 14:14.27 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r291edaeb4d4d 10/packages/dvbtools/ (3 files in 2 dirs): dvb-apps_1.1.1.bb : add from OM mtn |
| 14:14.30 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r22627d7ed3a5 10/packages/e17/ (4 files in 2 dirs): e-wm_cvs.bb : fixes to e-wm from OM mtn |
| 14:14.33 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r7bfc2bcb7c5d 10/packages/e17/exquisite_cvs.bb: exquisite_cvs.bb : new recipe from OM mtn |
| 14:14.36 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * rc0e860c85f29 10/packages/efl1/ (4 files in 2 dirs): imlib2_cvs.bb : fixes from OM mtn |
| 14:14.49 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r0be9933d29b2 10/packages/git/ (git-native_1.5.3.bb git.inc git_1.5.3.bb): git_1.5.3.bb : add from OM mtn |
| 14:14.52 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r9af816cd42df 10/packages/hal/hal-info_20080313.bb: hal-info_20080313.bb : new version from OM mtn |
| 14:14.55 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r857e3c4f7977 10/packages/libnl/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libnl_1.0-pre8.bb : new recipce from OM mtn |
| 14:14.58 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r0d7440d16d2d 10/packages/notification-daemon/ (2 files in 2 dirs): notification-daemon_0.3.7.bb : add a fix for text color from OM mtn. |
| 14:15.01 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r17debb59c7e1 10/packages/openssl/ (8 files in 2 dirs): openssl_0.9.7m.bb : new version from OM mtn |
| 14:15.06 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * rc814557b2c86 10/packages/openssl/ (4 files in 2 dirs): openssl_0.9.8g.bb : new version from OM mtn |
| 14:15.17 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r3b930f14a54f 10/packages/openssl/openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb: openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb : new version from OM mtn |
| 14:15.20 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * rad1fdaee6c64 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (6 files in 2 dirs): packages/openmoko-projects/diversity* : diversity updates from OM mtn |
| 14:15.23 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r2dd872026b14 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (illume-theme_svn.bb illume/keyboard.patch): illume-theme_svn.bb, illume/keyboard.patch : illume fixes and theme from OM mtn |
| 14:15.26 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r46953353b81b 10/packages/openmoko-projects/enlazar_svn.bb: enlazar_svn.bb : add new from OM mtn |
| 14:15.31 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r70641c0d4f67 10/packages/openmoko-tools/pty-forward-native.bb: pty-forward-native.bb : add new from OM mtn |
| 14:15.42 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r0349fea7b38b 10/packages/openmoko-tools/serial-forward.bb: serial-forward.bb : add new from OM mtn |
| 14:15.45 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r1b0f636530ae 10/packages/python/python-etk_git.bb: python-etk_git.bb : add new from OM mtn |
| 14:15.48 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * raf848c844e0f 10/packages/xorg-xserver/ (7 files): xorg-xserver/xserver-* : sgml path fix from OM mtn |
| 14:15.51 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r388bafb9f82e 10/packages/xorg-doc/xorg-doc-common.inc: xorg-doc-common.inc : fix SRC_URI from OM mtn |
| 14:15.54 | CIA-44 | (115 lines omitted) |
| 14:15.58 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * rd7fa076876b5 10/packages/postfix/ (9 files in 3 dirs): postfix: update to version 2.2.12 which is the latest to compile without any further changes. |
| 14:16.09 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03khem 07org.openmoko.dev * rbb580955ac08 10/packages/strace/ (strace-4.5.14/strace-arm-no-cachectl.patch strace_4.5.14.bb): Do not include cachectl.h for arm. |
| 14:16.12 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * r8effd3b6aa08 10/packages/gcc/ (102 files in 3 dirs): Add gcc 4.2.3 and gcc 3.4.6-native from Poky |
| 14:16.15 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r469930310f7c 10/packages/webkit/webkit-gtk_svn.bb: webkit-gtk: requires libxt now. |
| 14:16.18 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * rd1e583c9b039 10/packages/gcc/gcc-3.4.6.inc: gcc-3.4.6: Add missing file |
| 14:16.23 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * r265b01cfeb21 10/packages/webkit/webkit-gtk_svn.bb: merge of '07a342693675fe2b1daacf0eb62302579d9fade3' |
| 14:16.26 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * r62913d5eecb8 10/classes/oestats-client.bbclass: oestats-client.bbclass: include elapsed time in task reports |
| 14:16.37 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * r6a48feec7f21 10/classes/base.bbclass: base.bbclass: print metadata revision as METADATA_REVISION - code is cleaned so easier to add git/hg (from Poky) |
| 14:16.40 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03 07org.openmoko.dev * r1a31d12af1d2 10/packages/sakura/ (.mtn2git_empty sakura_2.1.0.bb): sakura: new recipe. closes 4265. |
| 14:16.43 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * rd3a956e538ab 10/packages/libvorbis/ (4 files in 2 dirs): libvorbis: fix latest security bugs |
| 14:16.48 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r970a08024db6 10/packages/gettext/ (3 files in 2 dirs): gettext: update recipe |
| 14:16.51 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * r20d9c6b88a85 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): merge of '87aa8e8cdbee54b3d7ff294da220db58798e8c12' |
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| 14:16.56 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * rb3e9344bcb3a 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): openssl-native_*.bb: do not export CFLAG, this is set by do_configure |
| 14:17.05 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r7f27a5c59162 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): disapproval of revision '462968658bdc2a3c48a8d634f9be59d450259f49' |
| 14:17.08 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * r317e02200858 10/classes/oestats-client.bbclass: oestats-client.bbclass: use METADATA_REVISION variable (thanks hrw) |
| 14:17.13 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r0de597aeff45 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): openssl-native: remove the CFLAG export, it isn't needed, contrary to my previous build attemps, so everything should work again (including generating vulnerable keys) |
| 14:17.19 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r40f2d7086bfd 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): merge of '344877dac1be60d7f6d718179f6d015c047ad23e' |
| 14:17.26 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r8f865cfd253b 10/packages/avahi/ (7 files): avahi: move PR out of inc file and into bb files |
| 14:17.29 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r89d6dd870a85 10/packages/avahi/avahi.inc: avahi: disable stack protector for MIPS. Closes 2223. |
| 14:17.32 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03 07org.openmoko.dev * r7910f0e22e5c 10/packages/bitlbee/ (5 files in 2 dirs): bitlbee: new recipe. closes 1642. |
| 14:17.37 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * ra1edc3731f2b 10/packages/dillo/ (dillo2-0.6.6/dillo2-gcc4.patch dillo2_0.6.6.bb): dillo2: fix compilation problem with patch from Marek Vasut. Clean white space. Closes 2032. |
| 14:17.42 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * rca347ac313a6 10/packages/bitlbee/ (bitlbee_1.0.3.bb bitlbee_1.0.4.bb): bitlbee: update to version 1.0.4 which still compiles fine without major changes. |
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| 14:17.51 | CIA-44 | (124 lines omitted) |
| 14:17.53 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r2e886037909c 10/packages/failme.bb: merge of '090d29830a5f223586361b1541b1a3b28b8e4997' |
| 14:17.56 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rbfc89b2f2da6 10/packages/efl1/epsilon_cvs.bb: epsilon cvs as of 20080520, epsilon no longer needs imlib2 nor epeg |
| 14:17.59 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03florian 07org.openmoko.dev * r50a032814dc9 10/packages/ (4 files in 4 dirs): merge of '51c8bec079d3bd6ef15c2674a76e2fd007e47122' |
| 14:18.04 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rf17ab86a4cbf 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: EFL cvs bump SRCDATE to 20080524 |
| 14:18.09 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03khem 07org.openmoko.dev * r7eef8b97aabe 10/packages/ (23 files in 6 dirs): Move eglibc to a separate package. Adios glibc. |
| 14:18.12 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03khem 07org.openmoko.dev * r17e00818c787 10/packages/linux-libc-headers/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Add 2.6.25 kernel headers. |
| 14:18.19 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03khem 07org.openmoko.dev * r4cd628d7bc76 10/packages/util-linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Do not use asm/page.h its not exported anymore. |
| 14:18.22 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03khem 07org.openmoko.dev * r4a3a0a923241 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: Bump uclibc and eglibc sane revs. |
| 14:18.25 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03khem 07org.openmoko.dev * r35a25335d555 10/packages/uclibc/ (7 files): uclibc-dev should rdepend on kernel-headers-dev |
| 14:18.30 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03khem 07org.openmoko.dev * rf6da0ad14463 10/packages/uclibc/uclibc_svn.bb: Reduce preference level of uclibc_svn recipe. |
| 14:18.35 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openmoko.dev * rc756f6b85dec 10/packages/dsplink/ (dsplink_1.50.bb files/davinci_mvlpro5.0.mk): dsplink : More build fixes. bb file builds without errors at this point. |
| 14:18.38 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r918798e94305 10/packages/dsplink/ (dsplink_1.50.bb files/davinci_mvlpro5.0.mk): merge of '3889e1126647417898dfc189538f194f3cf760fb' |
| 14:18.47 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * r1a911a82e9cf 10/packages/stage-manager/ (3 files in 2 dirs): stagemanager-naitve: Sync with poky, add ipkg-build and ipkg scripts so packaged-staging dependencies can be removed |
| 14:18.51 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * rd85eb04ace6b 10/classes/patch.bbclass: patch.bbclass: Simplify patch task dependency handling and allow packages to override the dependency more easily (from poky) |
| 14:18.58 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * r2a24cf485bc8 10/classes/packaged-staging.bbclass: (log message trimmed) |
| 14:18.58 | ScaredyCat | blah blah |
| 14:19.01 | CIA-44 | openmoko: packaged-staging.bbclass: Sync with Poky for a number of updates. In summary: |
| 14:19.03 | CIA-44 | openmoko: Support using opkg, ipkg and an internal shell script version of ipkg as the |
| 14:19.05 | CIA-44 | openmoko: package manager allowing removal of a large number of build dependencies. |
| 14:19.13 | CIA-44 | openmoko: Correctly install packages into staging creating the .list and .control files. |
| 14:19.15 | CIA-44 | openmoko: Remove accidental install outside the locking in the build package function. |
| 14:19.16 | ScaredyCat | blah blah |
| 14:19.17 | CIA-44 | (75 lines omitted) |
| 14:19.19 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03otavio 07org.openmoko.dev * rb2d958e75012 10/packages/vnc/ (libvncserver/clientlogger.patch libvncserver_0.9.1.bb): libvncserver: add possibility to use a logger by client. partly closes 4340. |
| 14:19.26 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r86e6a63e130a 10/packages/xfce/xfwm4.inc: xfwm4: don't mangle the include path |
| 14:19.29 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * redbc046a9583 10/packages/acpid/ (acpid/gcc40.patch acpid_1.0.6.bb): acpid: 1.0.6 and later don't need the gcc40.patch anymore |
| 14:19.32 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * ra2e1f3f5ae32 10/conf/distro/include/angstrom-2008-preferred-versions.inc: angstrom 2008: prefer pixman 0.10.0 |
| 14:19.39 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r13484b82552c 10/packages/linux/ (linux-omap2-git/beagleboard/defconfig linux-omap2_git.bb): linux-omap2 git: bump SRCREV and tweak defconfig to get a more stable bootprocess |
| 14:19.41 | XorA | holy crap thats a lot of checkins |
| 14:19.42 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rce25ef379a66 10/ (263 files in 82 dirs): merge of '1ba4060144f3549b5ec4424715ddde5fd9d0ad61' |
| 14:19.48 | diego_at_work | a lot of work from our friend of OE and OM? :) |
| 14:19.51 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * raf2cc4565fc7 10/packages/images/ (fso-image.bb moko-underground-image.bb): fso-image|moko-underground-image: add some tools |
| 14:19.54 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rbd8f8c8f37bf 10/packages/angstrom/ (angstrom-zeroconf-audio.bb epiphany-firefox-replacement.bb): angstrom zeroconf audio: fix RDEPENDS |
| 14:19.57 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * r6ac901f59ea0 10/packages/lame/lame_3.96.1.bb: lame: Run gnu-configize in do_configure to work with libtool 2.2.4 (from poky) |
| 14:20.02 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * rb9e5e5baa5c3 10/packages/libpng/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libpng12: Add fix for libtool 2.2.4 from poky |
| 14:20.05 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * r6d248dd1653f 10/packages/apmd/ (apmd-3.2.2/libtool.patch apmd_3.2.2.bb): apmd: Use libtool --tag options to avoid problems with libtool 2.2.4 (from poky) |
| 14:20.14 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r2012067a1854 10/packages/images/fso-image.bb: fso-image: noauto for nfs filesystem |
| 14:20.17 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rfd8f2ef916e3 10/packages/images/fso-image.bb: merge of '7c7739053ba5cdf8bff6f5a8f4fbc67e37462db4' |
| 14:20.20 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * r7450d8563520 10/packages/linux/linux-rp_2.6.24.bb: linux-rp-2.6.24: Update locomo keyboard patch for collie/poodle (#2367) |
| 14:20.25 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * rf54e56f5520f 10/packages/linux/linux-rp.inc: linux-rp.inc: Remove INITRAMFS_IMAGE setting. This is a personal (local.conf) or distro configuration option since its policy. Please discuss this on the mailing list or with me if you disagree. |
| 14:20.29 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * r7c49af0fba5f 10/packages/linux/linux-rp-2.6.24/hrw-hostapcard.patch: linux-rp-2.6.24: Uncondionally apply a number of patches, add missing patch from poky |
| 14:20.33 | ebbe | 0_0 insane |
| 14:20.38 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * r0b269f64bb4f 10/packages/linux/linux-rp_2.6.24.bb: linux-rp-2.6.24: Uncondionally apply a number of patches, add missing patch from poky |
| 14:20.41 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * re7e42b20ce9b 10/packages/linux/ (12 files in 2 dirs): linux-rp-2.6.24: Sync defconfigs with Poky. Making the crypto modules builtin is wrong and compounds an existing space problem, the should be marked as autoloaded. |
| 14:20.42 | XorA | chuckles evilly |
| 14:20.49 | thomasg_ | nice marathon :) |
| 14:20.49 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * r3db95c8dd511 10/packages/linux/ (17 files in 2 dirs): linux-rp-2.6.23: Sync with Poky in the same way as 2.6.24 |
| 14:20.52 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * r28e2f303b98b 10/packages/linux/ (30 files in 2 dirs): linux-rp: Add 2.6.25+2.6.26-rc4 version, making it the default for qemuarm, qemux86 and spitz so far (from poky) |
| 14:20.59 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.dev * rc7000e3a415f 10/packages/v86d/ (v86d_0.1.3.bb v86d_0.1.5.bb): v86d: 0.1.3 -> 0.1.5 |
| 14:21.00 | thomasg_ | erm, "hackathon" I meant |
| 14:21.02 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r6d6852c86382 10/packages/pkgconfig/ (7 files in 2 dirs): pkgconfig: sync with poky |
| 14:21.05 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r6c1801d8257d 10/packages/pkgconfig/ (7 files in 2 dirs): merge of '57b770a7023dbcdb2b9d6d1a19890a743793d79c' |
| 14:21.12 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rb1ed16425331 10/packages/angstrom/angstrom-zeroconf-audio.bb: angstrom zeroconf audio: add more RDEPENDS |
| 14:21.15 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r6dff71cb3a7e 10/packages/libtool/libtool-cross_2.2.4.bb: libtool cross 2.2.4: check for dolt.m4 before trying to install it |
| 14:21.18 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r218fbf791d85 10/packages/glib-2.0/ (3 files in 2 dirs): glib-2.0: add 2.16.3 from poky, patched to work with libtool 2.2.4, disabled by default for that reason |
| 14:21.18 | XorA | its about 4 weeks worth of OE changes merged into OM |
| 14:21.25 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r6290d2f2ec72 10/packages/libusb/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libusb: add libtool patch from poky, safe for general consumption |
| 14:21.28 | CIA-44 | (129 lines omitted) |
| 14:21.32 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * rddadc11548ca 10/packages/netbase/netbase/mpc8313e-rdb/ (.mtn2git_empty interfaces): netbase: drop mpc8313e-rdb specific etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:21.39 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * r6a2a31deb696 10/packages/python/python-flup_1.0.bb: python-flup_1.0.bb: add python module for WSGI servers |
| 14:21.42 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * r53ad20e61c7a 10/packages/lighttpd/ (lighttpd/lighttpd lighttpd_1.4.18.bb): lighttpd: fix init script (restart did not work) |
| 14:21.45 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r247dadc54aaf 10/packages/alsa/ (alsa-plugins_1.0.14.bb alsa-plugins_1.0.15.bb): alsa-plugins 1.0.14 update to 1.0.15 |
| 14:21.50 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * reeecc4499bea 10/packages/alsa/ (alsa-state.bb alsa-state/asound.conf alsa-state/asoundrc): alsa-state: fix standard alsa dmix configuration, it now works out-of-the-box |
| 14:21.55 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r0663f07928da 10/packages/alsa/alsa-state.bb: alsa-state: install correct file |
| 14:21.58 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r91b5ad2ddfa2 10/classes/rootfs_ipk.bbclass: rootfs_ipk.bbclass: opkg nowadays needs its lib directory created before it can operate |
| 14:22.03 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r5be7dabb8695 10/packages/images/fso-image.bb: fso-image: yank pulseaudio and use alsa dmix for now |
| 14:22.06 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03jluebbe 07org.openmoko.dev * rb6a2b07edd39 10/packages/freesmartphone/ (4 files): freesmartphone: start services after dbus |
| 14:22.09 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03jluebbe 07org.openmoko.dev * r2ed5e3a44c84 10/packages/ (7 files in 5 dirs): merge of '6aa3a34371e0ba98066d355ab1bc9a3c72356bf0' |
| 14:22.12 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r9bf029f6dd0c 10/packages/ (5 files in 4 dirs): merge of '716838c61d439ea48ec596bb358e6fe8674c26fe' |
| 14:22.17 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * r1f0787b33d1f 10/packages/lighttpd/ (lighttpd/mod_redirect.c.patch lighttpd_1.4.18.bb): lighttpd: backport support for url.redirect-code from 1.5 branch |
| 14:22.20 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rdc03a099876f 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add gsmd2, a dbus-enabled gsm phone server |
| 14:22.23 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r08d1c9b232e3 10/ (11 files in 6 dirs): merge of '1881f1e08c19772afb57e141b8e9cfe8a3308a4a' |
| 14:22.28 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * r2960cd33a73f 10/packages/lighttpd/ (lighttpd/mod_redirect.c.patch lighttpd_1.4.18.bb): merge of '305437fef3e07f06f422c525af6d258fe65bd133' |
| 14:22.31 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * r271d8cf5d40e 10/ (16 files in 10 dirs): merge of '162bf228da944fcdae3d12cc94a424a78acc3dd1' |
| 14:22.34 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r9bfd80412512 10/conf/machine/neuros-osd2.conf: neuros osd2: correct kernel provider |
| 14:22.41 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r5566b9d6fc74 10/conf/machine/neuros-osd2.conf: merge of 'cc5142241e1e0788b16bdb07718b289a105ae7ba' |
| 14:22.44 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rf8adee6ee0d3 10/ (1394 files in 330 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/org.openembedded.dev' into org.openmoko.dev |
| 14:23.03 | XorA | and finished |
| 14:23.40 | ScaredyCat | wtf is neuros osd doing in there? |
| 14:23.53 | XorA | ScaredyCat: OM is a variation of OE |
| 14:24.10 | ScaredyCat | yes... but it's been added to om |
| 14:24.28 | XorA | ScaredyCat: OM is just a few patches on top of OE tree |
| 14:24.53 | ScaredyCat | what you mean is you don;t block stuff you don;t care about? |
| 14:25.11 | ScaredyCat | (when merging) |
| 14:25.28 | XorA | ScaredyCat: we dont care about it, why spend the effort removing it |
| 14:25.52 | ScaredyCat | it's not an issue... I just wanted to know why... |
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| 14:26.30 | XorA | because we really are just a few patches on top of OE |
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| 14:30.30 | XorA | wurp2|away: hopefully that checkin will make buildhost behave tonight |
| 14:30.51 | XorA | wurp2|away: 2007.2 image build and works here anyway |
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| 14:47.05 | wurp2|away | XorA|gone: Great, thanks so much! |
| 14:47.34 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: By the way, there was nothing wrong with matchbox-keyboard in your repository yesterday :-) |
| 14:48.00 | ScaredyCat | say what |
| 14:48.15 | ScaredyCat | use error? |
| 14:48.22 | wurp2 | I had upgraded my PC and neglected to reinstall dnsmasq. I had /etc/hosts entries for the standard OM repositories, but not for yours, so opkg list listed OM packages, but not yours |
| 14:48.26 | ScaredyCat | wetware interface failuer? |
| 14:48.30 | ScaredyCat | failure |
| 14:48.38 | wurp2 | Yeah, ID10T error |
| 14:48.40 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 14:48.41 | wurp2 | PEBKAC |
| 14:50.00 | wurp2 | So I'm all good now, except gsm doesn't seem too stable and sms looks busted :-( |
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| 14:50.21 | wurp2 | I think I'm switching to Qtopia until and unless OM/ASU gets stable |
| 14:50.52 | wurp2 | But I've been bragging on your release. Very slick! I love the wallpaper selector, theme selector, bt helper, etc. |
| 14:54.47 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 14:55.13 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rbe132b825ad9 10/packages/python/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [python-cython] This commit is a temporary solution. |
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| 14:58.53 | ScaredyCat | well, I can't afford a FR now.. so I'll be fiddling wiht the 01 for a while |
| 14:59.12 | wurp2 | I'm probably actually holding out for an 03 |
| 14:59.40 | ScaredyCat | are the specs up yet? |
| 14:59.42 | wurp2 | I am pretty disillusioned with OM right now |
| 14:59.44 | wurp2 | nope |
| 14:59.50 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 14:59.59 | wurp2 | All I know is, FR + camera - glamo |
| 15:00.43 | wurp2 | The more I think about it, ASU seems like a BAD idea. They threw away something that was mostly working to work on something shinier |
| 15:00.46 | zedstar_ | it is quite hard to commit to 02 if u got an 01 i think...ill probably wait for 03 also |
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| 15:01.13 | wurp2 | And much of the work now is throwaway to make it more consumer friendly quicker, when the answer to that is Qtopia |
| 15:01.15 | ScaredyCat | wurp2: I think you're right... |
| 15:01.47 | ScaredyCat | asu just makes me feel abandoned |
| 15:01.59 | wurp2 | yep |
| 15:02.01 | ebbe | I just think it is a fase the development has to go through |
| 15:02.08 | wurp2 | I do like the new framework |
| 15:02.12 | ebbe | On the other side things will be better |
| 15:02.23 | ebbe | +1 on the framework |
| 15:02.48 | wurp2 | ebbe: Well, it wouldn't have bothered me so much if they appeared to have defined the target for ASU, taking what they learned from the gtk stack |
| 15:03.01 | wurp2 | and informed people about what was happening |
| 15:03.25 | ebbe | I agree, they did it the wrong way |
| 15:03.46 | ScaredyCat | they still are imho... |
| 15:03.53 | ScaredyCat | most of it is hidden away... |
| 15:03.59 | wurp2 | but it looks to me (from my limited window into what's happening) that they dunno what the target user experience is (i.e. how the apps work & work together), and even if they did they're coding like hell for a temp target |
| 15:03.59 | ebbe | But it's all about pr, and money atm |
| 15:04.01 | ScaredyCat | we have no involvement at all |
| 15:04.21 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: agreed entirely |
| 15:05.03 | wurp2 | The dev community is disaffected now, because people who've worked to log bugs and write code to improve OM have had that work thrown away without even being clearly informed first |
| 15:05.14 | wurp2 | I shouldn't say the dev comm is disaffected |
| 15:05.21 | wurp2 | *I* am, and I know some other people are. |
| 15:05.53 | wurp2 | Not that I personally have contributed much :-) |
| 15:06.10 | zedstar_ | the thing i found odd was the amount of man hours that must have gone into projects like diversity which could have incorporated the community more |
| 15:06.16 | wurp2 | And I love the phone; I'm glad I have it. And I love the idea. |
| 15:06.44 | zedstar_ | those hours could have been better allocated IMO |
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| 15:07.03 | wurp2 | zedstar_: I'm sad to say I don't even know what diversity is :-) |
| 15:07.09 | zedstar_ | exactly |
| 15:07.12 | wurp2 | zedstar_: I have only a vague idea of Illume |
| 15:07.30 | zedstar_ | wurp2 well i found out very late also but there was many lines of code by OM employees |
| 15:07.48 | ScaredyCat | yeah, those app names are just retarded... |
| 15:08.05 | zedstar_ | those apps are all gonna struggle with critical mass issues anyway |
| 15:08.13 | zedstar_ | they could at least consult us |
| 15:08.27 | zedstar_ | some of us here actually study that kind of stuff for a living |
| 15:08.31 | ebbe | An write about it on the wiki.. |
| 15:09.00 | wurp2 | especially after they demonstrated that they may throw away any work you do on the apps without talking about it clearly first |
| 15:09.31 | wurp2 | ^^ apps will especially struggle w/ critical mass issues because... ^^^ |
| 15:09.31 | zedstar_ | it was a like "we know best" |
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| 15:10.48 | jmichel | If I need to build an application and a library that is required by the application using the MokoMakefile, how do I install install the library in the build environment for the application to build? |
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| 15:11.43 | jmichel | because on my pc I need to do "./configure; make; make install" for the library first then the app will buil |
| 15:11.50 | ScaredyCat | make yours RDEPEND on th elib |
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| 15:14.03 | ScaredyCat | DEPEND |
| 15:14.11 | ScaredyCat | for example http://pastebin.ca/1046050 |
| 15:17.11 | ebbe | Well, I'm generally annoyed with how bad the communication between OM and the community has been. Why can't we have exact information about the mass production? Why didn't we hear about ASU before it was to late? |
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| 15:17.34 | ebbe | But I still have big hopes for the Openmoko company. |
| 15:17.57 | ScaredyCat | personally I think they wanted to go "Tada! Look what we did." |
| 15:18.10 | ScaredyCat | and most people are "Meh" |
| 15:18.16 | spydon | hehe |
| 15:18.27 | spydon | not very clever :P |
| 15:19.08 | ScaredyCat | well, think about the effort people have put in. tangogps is a good example.... |
| 15:19.25 | zedstar_ | yeh a decent application |
| 15:19.28 | ebbe | Does that work on ASU? |
| 15:19.55 | ScaredyCat | they have something called 'fluffy pillows' or somehting for gps app.. |
| 15:20.11 | ebbe | I want på tango! |
| 15:20.17 | ebbe | *my |
| 15:20.22 | jmichel | ScaredyCat: It doesn't seems to work with your example but I will check if I'm doing everything right |
| 15:21.05 | zedstar_ | anyway i think we all want openmoko to succeed which is why we bitch and moan about things from time to time |
| 15:21.24 | ebbe | +1 |
| 15:21.53 | ScaredyCat | absolutely... |
| 15:22.11 | jmichel | ScaredyCat: Is there a difference between DEPENDS and RDEPENDS? |
| 15:22.13 | ebbe | I'm still hanging in, because this is still a great thing for open mobiles |
| 15:22.44 | diego_at_work | tangogps should work also with new openmoko release |
| 15:23.14 | ebbe | diego_at_work: But have anyone tried? |
| 15:23.43 | diego_at_work | not me, but they told that they still support gtk apps |
| 15:23.55 | ScaredyCat | does your lib have a do_stage jmichel ? |
| 15:24.35 | ebbe | Why doen't they include tangogps instead of their fluffy thingy by standard? |
| 15:24.57 | ebbe | Why don't they use the community some more? |
| 15:25.00 | jmichel | ScaredyCat: No |
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| 15:25.14 | diego_at_work | tangogps is a nice apps, but is not a good apps for normal user |
| 15:25.28 | mwester | jmichel: DEPENDS is a build-time dependency; RDEPENDS says that it is an install-time dependency (i.e. RDEPENDS will be addressed by opkg when the user installs your package) |
| 15:25.34 | SpeedEvil | It's not too far off |
| 15:25.44 | diego_at_work | it requires a gprs connection alway active for download maps |
| 15:25.50 | ebbe | Nope |
| 15:25.53 | SpeedEvil | diego_at_work: nope |
| 15:26.00 | zedstar_ | in the grand scheme of what is done it is good |
| 15:26.03 | SpeedEvil | diego_at_work: you can download maps |
| 15:26.12 | jmichel | mwester: thanks for the info |
| 15:26.23 | diego_at_work | yes, ofc, you can download maps and requires 1gb for all italy ^^ |
| 15:26.52 | diego_at_work | becouse it stores all the single rendered tiles |
| 15:26.52 | jmichel | ScaredyCat: How can I add the do_stage and what is it doing ? |
| 15:27.04 | ebbe | But we have a better alternative right now? |
| 15:27.11 | ScaredyCat | sorry pastebin is fecking slow jmichel |
| 15:27.12 | ScaredyCat | http://pastebin.ca/1046066 |
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| 15:27.31 | diego_at_work | it depends, if you just need a maps viewer, navit is nice |
| 15:27.33 | ScaredyCat | http://pastebin.ca/1046063 <--- the build |
| 15:27.52 | diego_at_work | quite slow, but usable as a car navigator |
| 15:28.36 | diego_at_work | i use, tangogps for create maps for openstreetmap.org, and it's a nice hack |
| 15:29.11 | ebbe | diego_at_work: Me too |
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| 15:29.56 | wurp2 | I use tango right now, but I'm going back to navit |
| 15:29.58 | wurp2 | I much prefer it |
| 15:30.17 | ebbe | wurp2: Why? |
| 15:30.22 | wurp2 | Tango has to dl maps at every level, whereas navit renders the maps from the data, so anywhere you have a map, at least you can zoom in |
| 15:30.23 | ebbe | What's better? |
| 15:30.41 | wurp2 | And navit maps take much less space, of course, if you get them at all levels |
| 15:30.43 | ScaredyCat | isn't navit for cycle lanes? |
| 15:31.00 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: not as far as I know... it works great for driving |
| 15:31.14 | diego_at_work | all rendered tile maps only for italy are more than 1Gb, osm data for italy are just less then 10Mb |
| 15:31.21 | wurp2 | The big problem I have with navit is it seems to lose track of my config each time I install, and it's fiddly to get it working again |
| 15:31.30 | ScaredyCat | 0.0.3? |
| 15:31.34 | wurp2 | diego_at_work: Yeah, like that :-) |
| 15:32.11 | wurp2 | Virtually every time I want to use tango, it doesn't have the tiles preloaded at the level I want them |
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| 15:32.27 | diego_at_work | ofc if you have cheap gprs connection, you can download tile on the fly, but is not my case |
| 15:32.30 | wurp2 | because if I'd been there a lot (to preload tiles) I wouldn't need a nav map |
| 15:32.36 | ScaredyCat | does navit se gpsd ? |
| 15:32.45 | diego_at_work | yes |
| 15:33.02 | ScaredyCat | investigates more |
| 15:33.06 | wurp2 | diego_at_work: But even then, it can take minutes to get the tile you want |
| 15:33.21 | KaZeR | talking of gps, tango does routing? |
| 15:33.24 | wurp2 | diego_at_work: And you have to refresh tango somehow to get it to display after it downloads. |
| 15:33.28 | wurp2 | KaZeR: Nope |
| 15:33.31 | wurp2 | KaZeR: But navit does :-) |
| 15:33.46 | KaZeR | ok (about tango) that's what i thought |
| 15:33.54 | KaZeR | about navit, i'm a member of the project :o) |
| 15:33.56 | wurp2 | KaZeR: tango is really a picture viewer, that knows how to show you the pieces of the picture that correlate to your position |
| 15:34.11 | KaZeR | ok. and it uses only OSM maps, rightJ? |
| 15:34.40 | KaZeR | on the other hand, tango is much more user friendly than navit from what i saw on the sshots |
| 15:35.02 | wurp2 | KaZeR: I think tango can use non-osm maps |
| 15:35.19 | KaZeR | ScaredyCat, don't use 0.0.3 : latest release is 0.0.4, and svn is recommanded |
| 15:35.22 | diego_at_work | yes, is fast and responsive on neo1973 at least |
| 15:35.23 | wurp2 | KaZeR: With a little fiddling, tango should be able to show google satellite maps or whatever |
| 15:35.33 | ScaredyCat | compiling 0.0.4 now |
| 15:35.45 | jmichel | ScaredyCat: Thanks but now my problem is something else... undefined refs in the lib |
| 15:35.48 | KaZeR | wurp2, but that's raster maps too |
| 15:35.53 | diego_at_work | i hope navit increase somewhat the rendering speed, so i can scrool maps ^^ |
| 15:35.53 | wurp2 | KaZeR: tango is more user friendly in some ways |
| 15:35.55 | jmichel | I will check into that |
| 15:36.14 | ScaredyCat | ok, but it's staging now right ? |
| 15:36.15 | KaZeR | wurp2, sure. that' probably navit's current drawback :) |
| 15:36.44 | KaZeR | diego_at_work, the rendering can be configured via xml to hide unwanted objects for example |
| 15:36.45 | wurp2 | KaZeR: For me, navit's drawback is that it always seems to crash the first few times after I do a reinstall |
| 15:36.48 | KaZeR | ScaredyCat, staging? |
| 15:36.59 | wurp2 | KaZeR: And I have to fiddle with the config, delete a temp file, etc. to get it to run |
| 15:36.59 | ScaredyCat | not you KaZeR, jmichel |
| 15:37.08 | wurp2 | KaZeR: If you tell me where to submit bugs, I will :-) |
| 15:37.12 | KaZeR | wurp2, then i'd be really happy to get your feedback. should not happen, of course |
| 15:37.34 | wurp2 | KaZeR: The other disadvantage is that it doesn't dl maps. I have some scripts that take gps coords & builds a navit map db from them |
| 15:37.41 | KaZeR | wurp2, if you use it from time to time, it can be because of changes in navit.xml. happened a few times lately |
| 15:37.41 | diego_at_work | KaZeR, good so we need a saner xml config file for openmoko O:-) |
| 15:37.49 | wurp2 | KaZeR: It would be easy to turn that into a web service that navit could use automatically |
| 15:37.55 | KaZeR | wurp2, bugs are @ http://trac.navit-project.org or #navit |
| 15:37.55 | wurp2 | over gprs |
| 15:38.11 | wurp2 | KaZeR: Thx |
| 15:38.24 | KaZeR | wurp2, http://maps.navit-project.org for downloads? |
| 15:38.45 | KaZeR | currently, no download on the fly. not our top priority, but why not |
| 15:39.03 | diego_at_work | KaZeR, it will be nice to have a gtk frontend that cache prerendered maps ^^ |
| 15:39.18 | wurp2 | KaZeR: I didn't know that was there. We have instructions on our OM wiki that I generalized & turned into a python script |
| 15:39.41 | KaZeR | wurp2, navit is evolving quickly.. most of our own docs are even outdated :) |
| 15:39.58 | ScaredyCat | just like enlightenment then :P |
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| 15:40.06 | KaZeR | diego_at_work, indeed. but it's easier with raster maps, a bit more complicated using vectors |
| 15:40.10 | wurp2 | diego_at_work: Or it could even just have a rendering pipeline that's always rendering nearby maps & storing in /tmp. I don't think I'd want to render them & cache them indefinitely |
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| 15:40.14 | KaZeR | ScaredyCat, hehe.. |
| 15:40.32 | ScaredyCat | where re the uk maps then - for navit? |
| 15:40.46 | diego_at_work | wurp2, of course automatic pruning of old rendered image we'll be nice ^^ |
| 15:40.56 | diego_at_work | s/pruning/purging/ |
| 15:41.01 | KaZeR | btw, you don't need to render map at each refresh : you can set navit to render the map only when you're reaching an edge for example, makes it more reactive |
| 15:41.06 | ebbe | Here are osm files for countries: http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/ |
| 15:41.15 | KaZeR | ScaredyCat, world.osm? |
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| 15:41.40 | KaZeR | planet.bin sorry |
| 15:41.49 | diego_at_work | KaZeR, already done, but manual scroll is very slow (inusable) |
| 15:42.08 | ScaredyCat | my pc is exploding! |
| 15:42.32 | KaZeR | ah. you might want to have a chat with cp15 in #navit, who use it on his HTC blueangel. he'll probably have a few tip for you (until i get my freerunner, i'm using a carputer) |
| 15:42.40 | ScaredyCat | how big is wolrld? |
| 15:42.43 | KaZeR | ScaredyCat, protect your eyes and run away |
| 15:42.50 | diego_at_work | ie: if i try to drag the maps with the finger is sloooooooow |
| 15:43.10 | KaZeR | ScaredyCat, i believe around 6500km radius :o) |
| 15:43.20 | KaZeR | ScaredyCat, 1.4G, but check this out : http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ |
| 15:44.00 | ebbe | ScaredyCat: or http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/ for a specific country |
| 15:44.24 | ScaredyCat | I don't mind a big dl, I have a 6gb sd .. |
| 15:44.26 | KaZeR | ebbe, indeed. then you need to process the map using osm2navit to get the binfile |
| 15:44.54 | ebbe | Yep. I like that page very much. Saves me the big download :) |
| 15:45.33 | KaZeR | with http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ you get directly a .bin file for a selected area |
| 15:45.40 | ScaredyCat | does that link make the .bin for me KaZeR? |
| 15:45.43 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 15:45.46 | KaZeR | ScaredyCat, yes :) |
| 15:46.00 | ScaredyCat | very laggy here atm |
| 15:48.32 | ScaredyCat | ok NOTE: build 200806121630: completed |
| 15:48.37 | ScaredyCat | navit built... |
| 15:49.20 | diego_at_work | can you share the .ipk with us? :D |
| 15:50.07 | ScaredyCat | yes, will stuff em all in my repo... 1 sec |
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| 15:56.54 | ScaredyCat | holy crap... |
| 15:57.13 | ScaredyCat | the bootsplash crap takes nearly 1mb |
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| 15:57.59 | zash | lol wut |
| 15:58.18 | zash | the boot? |
| 15:59.54 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 16:00.06 | ScaredyCat | ok, it's in my repo... |
| 16:00.19 | diego_at_work | can i ask you the url? ^^ |
| 16:00.23 | jmichel | ScaredyCat: The staging seems to work but now when I build my app the .h file from my lib cannot be found |
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| 16:02.08 | ScaredyCat | you'll ned to install it too |
| 16:02.11 | ScaredyCat | need |
| 16:02.23 | ScaredyCat | diego_at_work: ... |
| 16:02.26 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/ |
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| 16:03.14 | ScaredyCat | mmm... |
| 16:03.22 | ScaredyCat | how the fsck do you configure it |
| 16:04.18 | jmichel | ScaredyCat: Is there a bitbake command to install the .h files from a lib ? |
| 16:04.25 | diego_at_work | ScaredyCat, uhm in which directory? |
| 16:04.43 | ScaredyCat | OM2007.2 |
| 16:04.52 | ScaredyCat | 1 sec jmichel |
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| 16:07.06 | ScaredyCat | jmichel: see the do_install in the example I gave you? you need to do that for your lib.. (note the includedir) |
| 16:08.34 | jmichel | ScaredyCat: ok thanks I did something likt that and now it is building... |
| 16:08.39 | jmichel | thanks for you rhelp |
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| 16:11.06 | ScaredyCat | good good |
| 16:11.06 | ScaredyCat | ... |
| 16:11.20 | ScaredyCat | now can somone point me to an example navit.xml |
| 16:16.52 | KaZeR | ScaredyCat, there should be one in navit/ |
| 16:17.18 | KaZeR | have to g.bbl |
| 16:19.19 | ScaredyCat | crap I just lost all those kin links |
| 16:21.01 | wurp2 | kin links? |
| 16:21.19 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Let me see if I can dredge up one of my navit.xml files |
| 16:22.49 | ScaredyCat | ta |
| 16:22.59 | ScaredyCat | yes, kin links... |
| 16:23.04 | ScaredyCat | as in fu |
| 16:24.54 | wurp2 | fu2, if that's your attitude |
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| 16:25.17 | wurp2 | I still dunno what kin links are, or what fu is :-) |
| 16:25.41 | zedstar_ | rhymes with sucking |
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| 16:26.35 | wurp2 | zedstar_: :-) |
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| 16:27.09 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: http://static.frimp.net/neo/navit.xml and http://static.frimp.net/neo/navit.xml.mine |
| 16:27.17 | ScaredyCat | ta |
| 16:28.05 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: yw. I'm not sure how much good they'll do you... I haven't used navit in a couple of months. I know navit.xml.mine worked once |
| 16:28.30 | wurp2 | And my bin file lived out at /home/root/gps/map/dfw.bin |
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| 16:31.16 | ScaredyCat | htrm I h=can only get it to run wihtout a config |
| 16:31.43 | ScaredyCat | I'll strip it down - bit by bit |
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| 16:32.43 | ebbe | ScaredyCat: The repository (and config) works here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit |
| 16:32.54 | ScaredyCat | ta |
| 16:32.59 | ebbe | That Alessandro dude |
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| 16:34.26 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Do you have sound issues with your release? |
| 16:34.41 | ScaredyCat | errm no |
| 16:34.42 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: I made a phone call, and that worked fine, but media player is silent |
| 16:34.55 | ScaredyCat | media player works |
| 16:35.00 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: I hear the typical loud annoying sounds when I plug in the head phones |
| 16:35.09 | wurp2 | OK, lemme reboot & see if it makes a difference |
| 16:35.12 | ScaredyCat | oh,I've never tired headphones... |
| 16:35.14 | wurp2 | Or if it's something I installed |
| 16:35.26 | wurp2 | Well, I get no sound w/o headphones either |
| 16:35.33 | wurp2 | Although I did get sound last night :-) |
| 16:36.42 | ScaredyCat | ebbe: that wiki page has no info on the config of the xml file |
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| 16:37.46 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: The only required config should be to put in your .bin file location |
| 16:37.58 | ebbe | Yep |
| 16:38.29 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: If you search for dfw.bin in navit.xml.mine you should see it; just replace the corresponding xml node in the default navit.xml with one like mine, except with your .bin file location |
| 16:39.01 | wurp2 | Anyone remember where alsa .state files live now? |
| 16:39.19 | ScaredyCat | the config seems to have changed a bit wurp2 |
| 16:39.38 | ScaredyCat | /etc/alsa ? |
| 16:40.38 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: No such dir :-( |
| 16:41.21 | ScaredyCat | /etc/asound.state |
| 16:41.37 | mmontour | /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ |
| 16:42.46 | wurp2 | mmontour: Thanks! |
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| 16:52.37 | ScaredyCat | stupid place for them |
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| 16:58.15 | ScaredyCat | hrrm my navit data dl seems barfed |
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| 17:18.33 | Bish | there will be no 3d on freerunner, right? |
| 17:18.49 | Blastur | at least no 3d hardware acceleration |
| 17:18.55 | Blastur | so basically, no |
| 17:18.56 | Blastur | :) |
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| 17:24.04 | wurp2 | Blastur: You can do all kinds of 3d w/o accel |
| 17:24.10 | wurp2 | Blastur: Just look at Elite ;-) |
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| 17:25.49 | Bish | hmz :/ |
| 17:26.00 | Bish | i hope i will be happy , even so |
| 17:32.47 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03zecke * r8032ba9b8bf9 10/src/libraries/qtopiaphonemodem/qmodemindicators.cpp: [gsm] Disable CTZR for the asu as it is causing more issues than solving |
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| 17:56.30 | wurp2 | Bish: What did you want 3d on it for? |
| 17:56.59 | wurp2 | Bish: Not asking to be obnoxious! I would like to hear what cool stuff it would give that isn't already there |
| 17:57.22 | ebbe | wurp2: 3d games perhaps |
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| 17:58.11 | wurp2 | ebbe: I'm not sure I would want to play 3d games on my neo |
| 17:58.19 | wurp2 | At least not ones w/ high computational requirements |
| 17:58.22 | ebbe | Why not? |
| 17:58.25 | wurp2 | Whaddaya do for controls? |
| 17:58.46 | wurp2 | And how much can you fit on a 2.8" screen if you're looking at detailed 3d models? |
| 17:58.52 | Bish | just cool effects, to impress the others.. just kidding |
| 17:58.59 | Bish | it just would be fuking cool, |
| 17:59.03 | wurp2 | Bish: agreed |
| 17:59.05 | Bish | but it even can play videos, right :D |
| 17:59.23 | ebbe | Bish: It's getting better |
| 17:59.27 | wurp2 | Bish: It can play videos, at least once balrog-kun gets completely done w/ his stuff |
| 17:59.41 | kdean06 | The Compiz cube on a Freerunner, with acellerometer gestures to make the thing go spinning. :P |
| 17:59.42 | wurp2 | It can do it now, it's just not great |
| 18:00.00 | wurp2 | kdean06: You should be able to do simple stuff for gee-whiz just computationally |
| 18:00.06 | wurp2 | kdean06: Stuff that looks very slick |
| 18:00.16 | kdean06 | yeah. |
| 18:00.17 | wurp2 | I think for daily use you would want to turn it off anyway |
| 18:00.40 | wurp2 | I would rather not add another .3 seconds start up time to every app waiting for the icon to spin :-) |
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| 18:02.29 | wurp2 | Videos will only be at 320x240, for any halfway decent frame rate |
| 18:02.50 | wurp2 | And only mpeg4 is supported, which means most videos will need preprocessing |
| 18:03.13 | cb22 | wurp2: thats only with hardware decoding |
| 18:03.21 | Bish | how big is a WORD .. ? in bytes |
| 18:03.33 | Bish | wurp2: thats nice to hear |
| 18:03.42 | Bish | DWORD means 4 bytes? so word is 2 bytes? |
| 18:03.52 | Bish | is it a windows invention? |
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| 18:04.51 | SpeedEvil | IMO, without hardware decoding, you're not going to do much. |
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| 18:05.07 | SpeedEvil | Unless you've got really small videos |
| 18:05.32 | SpeedEvil | The problem is that the GPU bandwidth steals CPU. |
| 18:06.16 | Bish | thats bullshit, even my mobilephone is able to play videos xD |
| 18:06.20 | SpeedEvil | Decoding mpeg, or AVI at 320*240*25fps uses about 100% CPU on GTA01 - at 266MHz |
| 18:07.18 | Bish | and on freerunner? |
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| 18:07.26 | SpeedEvil | 3 meg/second data transfer - at 25fps is about 60kpixels/frame. |
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| 18:07.36 | wurp2 | Bish: word is almost always 2 bytes |
| 18:07.40 | SpeedEvil | (2 bytes per pixel) |
| 18:08.08 | Bish | thanks. |
| 18:08.37 | SpeedEvil | This gives you about 300*150 or so. |
| 18:08.43 | SpeedEvil | at 25fps |
| 18:08.48 | Bish | SpeedEvil: hm.. |
| 18:08.58 | Bish | SpeedEvil: i wont watch .. die hard on it? |
| 18:09.09 | wurp2 | Bish: Why not? |
| 18:09.12 | SpeedEvil | Neglecting audio and reading SD from it. |
| 18:09.20 | wurp2 | You just want to pre-render it to mpeg4 |
| 18:09.37 | Tronic | How about the audio quality, is it any good? |
| 18:09.48 | wurp2 | it is good |
| 18:09.56 | wurp2 | of course, I am no audio fetishist |
| 18:09.57 | Tronic | My old Nokia 6230 had very nice audio quality, much better than most MP3 players. |
| 18:09.58 | SpeedEvil | Audio will use some 10% of CPU, and reading from SD about another 5% |
| 18:10.29 | Tronic | But the N72 that I have now has awful background noise and it also cannot drive high impedance loads at all. |
| 18:10.33 | wurp2 | Unfortunately, afaik all the tests balrog-kun has done so far are playing movie from flash |
| 18:11.51 | Tronic | SpeedEvil: No DMA transfers? |
| 18:15.23 | Bish | hehe, that question was asked 100 mio. times to SpeedEvil |
| 18:16.57 | Tronic | Not once in my backlog :/ |
| 18:17.08 | Tronic | (well, exactly once, counting me asking it) |
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| 18:18.41 | Bish | .. he will say.. blablubbla, dma is blocking all other transfer |
| 18:18.44 | Bish | or something like that |
| 18:19.09 | Bish | i just want to know if i will be happy with my freerunner |
| 18:19.34 | cb22 | Bish: at this stage, its - ask not what your freerunner can do for you, but what you can do for your freerunner |
| 18:19.48 | cb22 | wurp2: btw, whats Elite? |
| 18:19.55 | Bish | hm , i will be able to use it as phone, right? |
| 18:20.11 | Bish | and even write sms? .. so i dont have problems:D i will try to program something like an .. keyboard or something |
| 18:20.21 | Bish | s/program/code |
| 18:21.28 | wurp2 | cb22: It's called Oolite now :-) |
| 18:21.57 | wurp2 | cb22: It's an old 3D space trading and fighting game that ran on the commodore 64 (and other, later platforms, of course) |
| 18:22.07 | wurp2 | but it was a 3D GAME that ran on the COMMODORE 64 |
| 18:22.27 | wurp2 | Of course, it was almost all vector line graphics, not texture mapped 3D |
| 18:22.52 | wurp2 | Bish: With luck you can write SMS and watch movies |
| 18:22.59 | wurp2 | Bish: Right now, sms on my phone is fubar |
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| 18:23.28 | wurp2 | If you look in history on this channel I've been bitching about them swapping sw stacks w/o letting us 1973 ppl know so we could make other arrangements |
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| 18:40.02 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * redf723414ec5 10/ (data/themes/zhone.edc src/zhone): Add bars for battery and signal strength |
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| 18:44.40 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rad20a3fc15d5 10/oeventd/modules/receiver.py: python-oeventd: use different hardcoded ringtone for upcoming milestone 1 release |
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| 18:46.47 | wurp2 | upcoming milestone 1? |
| 18:48.05 | wurp2 | Anyone have any more details on that? |
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| 18:53.29 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Can you explain the usefulness of asterisk on the neo? |
| 18:53.38 | wurp2 | I definitely see the usefulness of VOIP on the neo |
| 18:53.47 | wurp2 | Just not for the things beyond that |
| 18:54.04 | Qwell | wurp2: limited |
| 18:54.23 | stefan_schmidt | wurp2: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework#Roadmap |
| 18:54.27 | wurp2 | That was my opinion too |
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| 18:54.44 | wurp2 | But I saw some folks (I thought including you, actually) getting very excited about it |
| 18:54.56 | wurp2 | Wait, you were in the convo, but not one of the effusive ones |
| 18:55.05 | Qwell | well, I *am* an Asterisk core dev. :) |
| 18:55.21 | Qwell | but yeah, it'd be of fairly limited use for the general population |
| 18:55.32 | Qwell | I would find tons of uses for it, personally |
| 18:56.02 | wurp2 | stefan_schmidt: That's great info! Thanks!! |
| 18:56.15 | wurp2 | OK, sure |
| 18:56.23 | stefan_schmidt | wurp2: you're welcome |
| 18:56.30 | wurp2 | The only uses I know of would be faking my phone # and making calls over wifi |
| 18:56.35 | Qwell | nah |
| 18:56.55 | Qwell | neither of those would need Asterisk on the phone |
| 18:56.59 | CVirus | exactly |
| 18:57.01 | wurp2 | The latter is great, the former one hopes will become impossiblish soonish |
| 18:57.05 | CVirus | I WANT ASTERISK ON MY FREERUNNER ! |
| 18:57.38 | CVirus | asterisk runs on maemo |
| 18:57.39 | wurp2 | Qwell: Hmm, how would I originate a call faking my phone # w/o asterisk or something like it? |
| 18:57.55 | wurp2 | I mean you could route through another asterisk box, but that's not very interesting |
| 18:57.59 | Qwell | wurp2: just a voip client can do that. your provider would be the one "faking" it |
| 18:58.48 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03mickey * r4487 10/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta01/stereoout.state: audio/om-gta01: bump stereoout base volume for Neo1973 |
| 18:58.58 | broonie | The only thing I can think off-hand is using one or more Neo/Freerunners to gateway VoIP calls on a local network to the GSM network. |
| 18:59.26 | broonie | if you only had a cellular uplink |
| 18:59.35 | Qwell | that wouldn't require OM right. simple GSM modem can do that |
| 18:59.50 | Qwell | s/right/either/ |
| 19:00.09 | broonie | Qwell: Right, but if one happens to have a FreeRunner handy then it could do the job in a standalone box. |
| 19:00.29 | broonie | A bit of aspecialist use case to say the least, though... |
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| 19:00.44 | anrp | a bit? |
| 19:00.54 | anrp | well, maybe not with this particular device |
| 19:01.01 | broonie | anrp: I'm English, we do understatement :) |
| 19:01.33 | anrp | i could theoretically see a multiple-digit userbase of * on a neo |
| 19:01.42 | anrp | given its target audience |
| 19:02.04 | anrp | and since it runs linux, not too much porting would be needed |
| 19:02.12 | Qwell | bkruse has already done the work |
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| 19:05.31 | cb22 | can the neo do conference / two simultanious calls? |
| 19:05.48 | Qwell | 266mhz? probably |
| 19:06.21 | cb22 | * with 2 lines :) |
| 19:09.46 | cb22 | wants a freerunner already. damnit :( i need something to hack on' |
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| 19:10.37 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * r750316e5f8b3 10/data/themes/ (5 files): Remove buttons from main screen |
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| 19:11.15 | cb22 | GTK, ETK or QT... eenie meenie miine moe... any suggestions? |
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| 19:13.54 | wurp2 | etk will probably be better supported |
| 19:14.03 | wurp2 | That is raster's baby, right? |
| 19:14.31 | CVirus | QT |
| 19:14.42 | CVirus | I heard python ETK bindings suck ass |
| 19:16.16 | cb22[eee] | thinks |
| 19:16.31 | cb22[eee] | are qtopia widgets normal qt4 widgets? |
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| 19:21.14 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel * rf4e2e68f1d99 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git@git.freesmartphone.org/python-ophoned |
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| 19:34.14 | ljp | cb22[eee]: in qtopia phone, most widgets are qt widgets but some are specific to Qtopia |
| 19:36.10 | mjr | Hmm, are there decent qt(opia) python bindings btw? Since at least for the time being Qtopia stuff seems to be running as default, might consider using it for one's own small stuff, if I could bother to learn it. |
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| 19:45.00 | wurp2 | CVirus: I could easily believe that (ETK python binding stink) |
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| 19:45.30 | ljp | cb22: use Qt. It's the best api. |
| 19:45.39 | wurp2 | ljp: I think you might be biased. |
| 19:45.52 | ljp | me? biased? nope. not at all |
| 19:46.01 | wurp2 | Oh, OK then. |
| 19:46.19 | ljp | actually I dont know that much of ETK |
| 19:46.27 | wurp2 | I know nothing :-) |
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| 20:43.16 | juri_ | well, that was a neat bug. |
| 20:44.07 | juri_ | does some diagnostics before whining further. :) |
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| 20:46.16 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel * rec623cda1dfd 10/src/zhone: zhone: Use GSM signal strength bar and display operator name/SOS/No Service/Searching... |
| 20:46.16 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel * r5262dd5e7e44 10/src/zhone: zhone: Display battery capacity in the appropriate bar |
| 20:49.24 | juri_ | ok, i've got a new bug to report. again, on the "old" interface, running the current version of everything. |
| 20:50.33 | juri_ | i dragged down on the "AT&T", to go back to the contacts (after placing a call).. |
| 20:50.56 | juri_ | and the AT&T has disappeared. my mouse cursor is now visible, and i cannot switch to anything other than the contacts. |
| 20:51.13 | juri_ | it happened *real* *fast*, so its quite possible this is timing sensitive. |
| 20:51.51 | juri_ | i have no oopses in my dmesg. i do still have some alignment traps in my dmesg, for phone-kit and hald-probe-volume. |
| 20:52.10 | juri_ | matchbox-window is now a <defunct> process. |
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| 20:54.40 | Cyorxamp | Lo, theres no easy way of saying this... But I'm bored of waiting now - when on earth is this thing meant to be released?! |
| 20:54.47 | Cyorxamp | :D |
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| 20:54.51 | Qwell | when it's ready |
| 20:55.49 | juri_ | because, you know, that worked so well with the last release. <runs> |
| 20:55.49 | Cyorxamp | late date I saw was just after xmas 2007 |
| 20:56.02 | Cyorxamp | I feel like I'm waiting for Etch all over again |
| 20:56.22 | summatusmentis | lol, well, there's your problem... stop using debian :-P |
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| 20:56.36 | summatusmentis | then you won't have a frame of referece |
| 20:56.39 | Cyorxamp | But I just __loooove__ debian |
| 20:56.47 | Cyorxamp | <3 |
| 20:57.35 | juri_ | i love debian too. i just hate its releases. |
| 20:57.53 | juri_ | runs debian unstable, frozen and unit tested by herself, and burned to auto-installing FAI cds. |
| 20:58.39 | Cyorxamp | Etch on servers, Lenny on desktops, DreamLinux (lenny based) on media/games related boxes |
| 20:58.44 | juri_ | as such, i'm used to 'unstable' being broken. which is why i update my openmoko at-least-weekly, and come here to whine when it breaks. :) |
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| 20:59.00 | juri_ | so, anyone got an opinion about the bug i just triggered? :) |
| 20:59.04 | Cyorxamp | juri_: thats nice... YOU HAVE AN OPENMOKO |
| 20:59.09 | Cyorxamp | cries |
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| 20:59.27 | Cyorxamp | plots juri's death |
| 20:59.40 | CVirus | hehe |
| 20:59.45 | CVirus | envy |
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| 21:03.45 | juri_ | good point. i should sell the two i have on ebay before the next release. :P |
| 21:03.58 | juri_ | makes cyorxamp really hate her. :) |
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| 21:06.18 | wurp2 | Cyorxamp: you could buy a gta01 on ebay, most likely |
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| 21:06.56 | wurp2 | Cyorxamp: FR is in production now, as far as I know. They just need to build up inventory, then box, ship, etc. |
| 21:10.10 | juri_ | if i order a dev kit, do i get one of the "drop this from a plane, it will be alright" shipping boxes? |
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| 21:12.32 | wurp2 | juri_: I don't think so, any more. |
| 21:12.39 | wurp2 | The dev kit comes separate now, no? |
| 21:13.04 | wurp2 | The standard FR shipping boxes look pretty snazzy and tough, though |
| 21:14.03 | cb22 | ljp: thanks, specifically i'm interested in pyqt, i'll do some reaading up |
| 21:14.49 | zash | there is no dev kit, only freerunner and debugboard |
| 21:16.11 | cb22 | eterm's Escreen support has to be the coolest thing i've seen in a while |
| 21:16.38 | Blastur | escreen? |
| 21:16.58 | cb22 | yeah, basically it makes all your screen windows appear as tabs |
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| 21:20.56 | Cyorxamp | Openmoko will ship Neo FreeRunner (GTA02), the second generation of Neo in the first half of 2008 |
| 21:21.05 | Cyorxamp | Time is a ticking! Till the end of June! |
| 21:21.34 | zash | Cyorxamp: they wont make it |
| 21:21.38 | Cyorxamp | wurp2: if its being made, is there a final feature set ?! |
| 21:22.12 | zash | Cyorxamp: next month is more likely |
| 21:23.26 | wurp2 | Cyorxamp: Yes... have you looked on wiki.openmoko.org? |
| 21:23.27 | CVirus | <Cyorxamp> Openmoko will ship Neo FreeRunner (GTA02), the second generation of Neo in the first half of 2008 |
| 21:23.38 | CVirus | where did you get that from ? |
| 21:23.42 | wurp2 | The hardware feature set has been set for a long time |
| 21:24.02 | Cyorxamp | CVirus: the main page of the wiki |
| 21:24.16 | CVirus | ah ok |
| 21:24.17 | wurp2 | zash: Technically, some GTA02s have shipped :-) |
| 21:24.18 | Blastur | freerunner is starting to sound a lot like Duke Nukem Forever |
| 21:24.23 | Cyorxamp | well it doesn't matter I'm not buying one |
| 21:24.33 | Cyorxamp | theres no wimax, theres no 3g, theres no hsdpa |
| 21:24.35 | Cyorxamp | pointless |
| 21:24.46 | Cyorxamp | might as well get a N810 with a phone |
| 21:24.49 | Blastur | i think openmoko has partnered up with 3dRealms to co-release freerunner along with DNF, 'when its done'. |
| 21:25.07 | Blastur | i got a n810 a month ago, it kicks ass Cyorxamp |
| 21:25.34 | wurp2 | If you think it's pointless to buy a phone that you can modify the source for however you like because the internet isn't fast enough, you are not the target market... |
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| 21:26.01 | Blastur | n810 is really great in customization, all software is opensource, except the kernel drivers basically |
| 21:26.05 | wurp2 | You would be very unhappy with the phone for some time even if it had 3g, wimax, and hsdpa |
| 21:26.28 | Blastur | maemo kicks ass |
| 21:27.06 | wurp2 | Hopefully in a year OM phones will be awesome for people who don't care about hacking on their phone |
| 21:27.13 | CVirus | I'm not confused whether I'll base my bachelor project on maemo or OM |
| 21:27.24 | CVirus | now* |
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| 21:27.56 | Cyorxamp | actually I LIE |
| 21:28.03 | Cyorxamp | I am getting an openmoko - ha |
| 21:28.07 | wurp2 | heh |
| 21:28.14 | Cyorxamp | beeecause |
| 21:28.35 | Cyorxamp | it has gsm right? which is better than nothing - and I can always use a 3G dongle |
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| 21:28.57 | wurp2 | Cyorxamp: You can use gprs for internet, yeah. And likewise you can use a 3g dongle |
| 21:29.15 | wurp2 | But you should be prepared for a buggy phone the first few months :-( |
| 21:29.24 | Cyorxamp | was looking at 3g dongle on a n810 - you have to do some tick to get the usb port to work in host mode |
| 21:29.25 | wurp2 | Unless you put Qtopia on it |
| 21:29.42 | Cyorxamp | and then probably have a powered hub to use it |
| 21:29.42 | CVirus | it comes with Qtopia already |
| 21:29.47 | wurp2 | Sort of |
| 21:29.54 | Cyorxamp | has anyone tried 3g dongle with freerunner? |
| 21:30.02 | wurp2 | I'm not sure I trust the ASU Qtopia to be as stable as "real" Qtopia |
| 21:30.22 | CVirus | why ? |
| 21:30.22 | wurp2 | CVirus: And, from what I've heard, what's shipping with the first FR does not include Qtopia |
| 21:30.31 | CVirus | really ? |
| 21:30.44 | wurp2 | That's what kdean06 was saying a couple of days ago |
| 21:30.57 | wurp2 | And I think I saw something to that effect on a mailing list, too |
| 21:31.14 | CVirus | maybe it's too late to modify the factory's software or something |
| 21:31.15 | wurp2 | They're making the phones now, and ASU hasn't hit milestone 1 |
| 21:31.51 | kdean06 | CVirus, Right, it's shipping with one of the later GTK based images so that it has some functionality to start with. |
| 21:31.57 | wurp2 | CVirus: And I don't trust their Qtopia just because it's already in ASU, but I have yet to hear anyone say ASU was usable as a phone |
| 21:32.12 | kdean06 | :P |
| 21:32.13 | kdean06 | It's not. |
| 21:32.17 | CVirus | Any idea from what state will openmoko.com ship the phone ? |
| 21:32.27 | kdean06 | It won't be until... Mid July I THINK was on the schedule. |
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| 21:32.42 | LionKMP | schedule :-) |
| 21:32.42 | wurp2 | kdean06: Which schedule? |
| 21:32.50 | CVirus | doesn't ASU have basic functionality ? |
| 21:32.51 | Cyorxamp | anyone tried a CDMA/HSDPA dongle with a GTA01 or GTA02 ? |
| 21:33.21 | CVirus | Isn't ASU basically Qtopia with X instead of fb ? |
| 21:33.28 | CVirus | and some other changes maybe ? |
| 21:33.36 | juri_ | hmm. i guess this is the right place to ask: can i get on the internet with my GTA01, without additional hardware? |
| 21:33.41 | juri_ | i have a data plan. |
| 21:33.46 | wurp2 | LionKMP: Good point. To correctly pronounce the word 'schedule', you pronounce the e at the end as a scoffing, sneering noise. |
| 21:33.49 | kdean06 | The wiki is poorly organized. :S I recall reading it there at some point, that there would be a release of ASU in July that had a minimal level of functionality. |
| 21:33.55 | cb22 | juri_: yep |
| 21:33.59 | wurp2 | Cyorxamp: not afiak |
| 21:34.09 | juri_ | cb22: URL please? :) |
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| 21:34.15 | CVirus | Isn't ASU basically Qtopia with X instead of fb ? |
| 21:34.16 | juri_ | i guess thats a faq.. :) |
| 21:34.17 | wurp2 | juri_: yes |
| 21:34.19 | kdean06 | No. |
| 21:34.21 | wurp2 | juri_: gprs |
| 21:34.25 | CVirus | kdean06: how come ? |
| 21:34.37 | wurp2 | juri_: Search the wiki for gprs |
| 21:34.50 | kdean06 | As of right now, it's more "Illume + Some Qtopia apps + Xorg" |
| 21:34.53 | cb22 | juri_: sorry, check out planet.openmoko.org |
| 21:35.01 | cb22 | 2nd post |
| 21:35.02 | kdean06 | It's not Qtopia on X11 with flair. |
| 21:35.10 | wurp2 | cb22: But that one is only for one particular provider |
| 21:35.19 | kdean06 | The distinction is that it's chunks of Qtopia, not an extended, functional Qtopia install. |
| 21:35.30 | CVirus | I see |
| 21:35.37 | wurp2 | cb22: I thought that was kind of a weird post, because it says what's on the wiki isn't good enough, then gives great information *if you happen to use that exact provider* |
| 21:35.37 | cb22 | wurp2: it's easy enough to modfy |
| 21:35.47 | CVirus | is there a dialer already ? |
| 21:35.49 | cb22 | wurp2: not quite |
| 21:35.51 | CVirus | i mean in ASU ? |
| 21:35.57 | kdean06 | Yeah, there's the Qtopia dialer. |
| 21:35.57 | CVirus | can't they just take the Qtopia dialer and include it in ASU ? |
| 21:36.06 | CVirus | what else of basic functionality do we need ! |
| 21:36.10 | wurp2 | cb22: But IMO what's on the wiki is much more helpful |
| 21:36.11 | cb22 | you see majority of networks standardized on APN 'internet' and no username or passwword |
| 21:36.26 | kdean06 | The Qtopia dialer, the message app and... something else. :P Calculator maybe? |
| 21:36.30 | kdean06 | They're in there. |
| 21:36.35 | cb22 | that will work in 90% of the cases, if it doesnt work, its really simple to change |
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| 21:36.51 | kdean06 | And Exposure (settings app) is there, Diversity and Assassin... |
| 21:36.52 | cb22 | change internet to your APN, and chap-secrets to your username and password |
| 21:37.09 | wurp2 | cb22: You may also have to change the # you dial |
| 21:37.11 | cb22 | guesses diversity is wifi |
| 21:37.13 | CVirus | kdean06: so why didn't they ship with ASU instead of the old images ? |
| 21:37.13 | kdean06 | Last I test, it was more "behind the scenes" that didn't work right. |
| 21:37.16 | wurp2 | Which was my issue with the instructions on the wiki |
| 21:37.20 | cb22 | wurp2: nope, never afaik |
| 21:37.29 | kdean06 | Because the older one works better. :P |
| 21:37.33 | CVirus | I see |
| 21:37.35 | wurp2 | The difference being that I then updated the instructions on the wiki, so now other ppl get the benefit |
| 21:38.09 | cb22 | kdean06: ever wonder how they came up with the name assassin for a pacakge manager :)? |
| 21:38.33 | CVirus | kdean06: is there a package manage included in ASU ? |
| 21:38.49 | kdean06 | CVirus, See cb22's previous post. :P |
| 21:38.51 | CVirus | manager* |
| 21:38.57 | kdean06 | Yes, it's called Assassin. |
| 21:38.58 | CVirus | what post ? |
| 21:39.00 | CVirus | i see |
| 21:39.10 | CVirus | is this the one that comes with pure qtopia ? |
| 21:39.11 | kdean06 | cb22, No, but now that the question's been posed... :P |
| 21:39.14 | LionKMP | is this ASU the new official system, or will there be 2 systems? |
| 21:39.14 | kdean06 | No |
| 21:39.16 | kdean06 | It's new. |
| 21:39.27 | CVirus | kdean06: why ? |
| 21:39.40 | CVirus | what's wrong with the qtopia one ? |
| 21:39.54 | cb22 | kdean06: heh, raster was probably being the other type of raster if he came up with those names :p |
| 21:40.09 | CVirus | haha |
| 21:40.11 | kdean06 | I can't answer that, I don't know. I've not used the Qtopia manager. |
| 21:40.22 | CVirus | I see |
| 21:40.51 | kdean06 | "Other type of raster"? I don't get the reference? |
| 21:40.52 | Tetraden | mmh, you guys are all into linux/unix too (you have to) :) Can anyone here tell me, where i can change the mouse acceleration settings on the X11 server? |
| 21:41.22 | CVirus | raster graphics maybe ? |
| 21:41.23 | CVirus | :-p |
| 21:41.31 | wurp2 | Tetraden: /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 21:41.51 | cb22 | kdean06: higher then the glamo's bus bandwidth :p |
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| 21:42.18 | Tetraden | wurp2: does not exist (actually its a mac, but its still a unix system) |
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| 21:43.10 | CVirus | Tetraden: http://www.cisl.ucar.edu/nets/intro/staff/siemsen/linux/xorg/#acceleration |
| 21:43.19 | wurp2 | Tetraden: I recommend google :-) Changing mouse accel on a mac should be easy |
| 21:43.46 | wurp2 | And shouldn't involve editing X11 config directly |
| 21:43.52 | CVirus | Tetraden: man xset |
| 21:43.56 | CVirus | check the link |
| 21:44.08 | kdean06 | Tetraden, I know using Darwine you need to install an xserver first, so I think Mac uses their own... But there SHOULD also be something in the Apple Menu and settings, I can't believe that setting wouldn't be in there. |
| 21:44.24 | kdean06 | You may want to ask on a Mac channel, they might be able to help you better. |
| 21:44.25 | Tetraden | wurp2: no, its difficult on mac, because there is no slider or setting for this and the acc curve is way to steep on mac. |
| 21:45.41 | Tetraden | CVirus: woah, thanks for this much informations. i will search through that |
| 21:46.30 | Tetraden | unfortunately its a known problem. the original acceleration setting is crap and there is no "knob" to turn :( |
| 21:46.34 | LionKMP | what will be the official gui? e.g. qt dialer or the current dialer? I am confused a bit. |
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| 21:47.28 | wurp2 | LionKMP: To have an official one would imply a plan for the end user apps |
| 21:47.34 | wurp2 | Is there such a thing? |
| 21:47.40 | LionKMP | isn't there? :-( |
| 21:47.59 | wurp2 | Right after ASU is working, it's supposed to be Qtopia dialer, I think |
| 21:48.05 | wurp2 | After that, I have no idea |
| 21:48.27 | wurp2 | Using Qtopia's dialer seems kinda stupid after they change the way they talk to the gsm to ophoned |
| 21:50.35 | wurp2 | I don't get how the early ASU is supposed to work anywya |
| 21:51.23 | wurp2 | My understanding is that they're using the Qtopia dialer for reliability, which means they access the gsm through the standard qtopia way, but a big part of the whole foundation of ASU is the new architecture with dbus interfaces to the hw |
| 21:52.15 | LionKMP | what about other apps? it should not load both GTK and Qt whenever some uses basic functionality, isn't it? |
| 21:52.22 | Tetraden | CVirus: there is no xset installed :( and the xinitrd file is very "light" |
| 21:52.26 | wurp2 | LionKMP: yep |
| 21:52.28 | SpeedEvil | Oh no! You're not still using ASU? That's an april fool! |
| 21:52.29 | LionKMP | will current gtk gui go trashcan? |
| 21:52.38 | SpeedEvil | (kidding) |
| 21:52.40 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: Hooray! |
| 21:52.48 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: aww. |
| 21:52.56 | CVirus | Tetraden: no idea then |
| 21:52.58 | LionKMP | I liked the gui :-p |
| 21:52.58 | wurp2 | LionKMP: I don't think so |
| 21:53.03 | CVirus | I can't believe an apple OS can't do so |
| 21:53.23 | Tetraden | CVirus: okay, but thank you anyways :) |
| 21:53.29 | CVirus | no problem |
| 21:54.24 | LionKMP | where to download an asu snapshot? none here. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Snapshot_review ? |
| 21:54.51 | wurp2 | LionKMP: You can't |
| 21:54.54 | wurp2 | You have to build it |
| 21:55.00 | LionKMP | heh, ok. |
| 21:55.03 | wurp2 | Or wait until the 15th (theoretically) for milestone 1 |
| 21:55.23 | wurp2 | I assume there will be a release then |
| 21:55.32 | LionKMP | how did developers change their mind so radically? Just wondering. |
| 21:55.50 | wurp2 | That's a good question :-) |
| 21:55.50 | diego71 | they don't i suppose |
| 21:55.53 | mwester | I think that's the job of the PHB's, isn't it? |
| 21:56.02 | LionKMP | "PHB"? |
| 21:56.04 | wurp2 | heh |
| 21:56.13 | wurp2 | pointy-haired bosses |
| 21:56.14 | mwester | "Pointy Haired Boss" |
| 21:56.20 | LionKMP | :-) |
| 21:56.20 | CVirus | haha |
| 21:56.21 | mwester | From the Dilbert cartoons. |
| 21:56.39 | mwester | (Do they run those internationally?) |
| 21:57.00 | kdean06 | wurp2, That's not true. |
| 21:57.15 | kdean06 | wurp2, There are ASU images for the 1973 and the Freerunner on the buildhost. |
| 21:57.44 | kdean06 | But it's now so full you have to dig. :P |
| 21:57.56 | LionKMP | I use the 19... Freer.... QEMU! :-) |
| 21:58.12 | kdean06 | Yesterday's ASU image on the 1973 -> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta01.jffs2 |
| 21:58.18 | kdean06 | Errr, today's, actually. |
| 21:58.52 | LionKMP | cool, I'll fetch something from that dir. |
| 21:58.54 | LionKMP | thanks |
| 21:59.01 | kdean06 | No problem. |
| 21:59.06 | wurp2 | kdean06: Really? I thought raster said last night that there weren't any, by design. |
| 21:59.08 | kdean06 | Bware the dragons. |
| 21:59.45 | mmontour | kdean06: (or anyone) - do you happen to know which branch the buildhost gta01 images are using (.dev, .asu.dev, or .asu.stable)? |
| 22:00.05 | kdean06 | He may not have known. The chat with him last night implied there are more functional builds internal, but I linked him to the buildhost and I think he commented about them being not current. |
| 22:00.13 | kdean06 | I have no idea. :) |
| 22:01.29 | mmontour | I'm doing another build of .dev at the moment. The last one I tried was still non-functional on my GTA01. |
| 22:02.38 | kdean06 | As soon as the ASU contains the Qtopia media player, I'll begin reviewing it. :P |
| 22:02.51 | kdean06 | That's my final barrier for switching to the Freerunner as my daily phone. |
| 22:03.09 | kdean06 | I MUST listen to my podcasts. |
| 22:04.07 | SpeedEvil | Don't you know what you say? |
| 22:04.17 | kdean06 | Errr.. |
| 22:04.30 | kdean06 | I must listen to the podcasts I listen to daily? |
| 22:04.31 | mwester | knows a lot of managers who don't have any idea what they say! |
| 22:04.35 | kdean06 | Better? |
| 22:04.39 | SpeedEvil | Ah - sorry. |
| 22:04.41 | kdean06 | he he |
| 22:04.45 | SpeedEvil | is about to go to sleep. |
| 22:04.45 | mmontour | Bah, f#@%ing Canadian government has just introduced our "DMCA" copyright bill. |
| 22:04.47 | mwester | I rather think it's a prerequisite for management and sales. |
| 22:05.01 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: The UK government is much better. |
| 22:05.17 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: We can now be locked up for 42 days without charge. |
| 22:05.23 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: free housing! |
| 22:05.39 | diego71 | what a lucky man! |
| 22:05.41 | mwester | Why 42? Someone in government a Douglas Adams fan? |
| 22:05.53 | SpeedEvil | mwester: I think so. |
| 22:06.10 | SpeedEvil | mwester: There is no rational reason for the number after all. |
| 22:06.21 | diego71 | or is just six weeks? |
| 22:06.28 | diego71 | :D |
| 22:06.42 | SpeedEvil | yes, it's also 6 weeks. |
| 22:06.47 | Qwell | can't be |
| 22:06.51 | Qwell | unless they changed a week to 9 days |
| 22:07.05 | SpeedEvil | !math 6*7 |
| 22:07.17 | Qwell | 6 * 9 = 42 |
| 22:07.25 | diego71 | O_O |
| 22:07.39 | SpeedEvil | Qwell: congratulations on inventing a new system of maths. |
| 22:07.45 | diego71 | ah yes, probably in base 13... |
| 22:07.48 | Qwell | clearly nobody got the joke |
| 22:07.58 | diego71 | i got i got ^^ |
| 22:08.00 | Qwell | What do you get when you multiply six by nine? |
| 22:08.01 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: Free housing? I thought the UK charged people for room & board |
| 22:08.14 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: Yes, I know. |
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| 22:08.39 | kdean06 | If your American, held without charges, they give you a cruise. |
| 22:08.50 | wurp2 | kdean06: Tom, or Penelope? |
| 22:09.07 | diego71 | tom... as punishment |
| 22:09.13 | kdean06 | wurp2, http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23796771-5006003,00.html |
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| 22:10.10 | kdean06 | wurp2, Even the USA isn't THAT bad... |
| 22:10.20 | kdean06 | Tom Cruise. |
| 22:10.22 | kdean06 | shudders |
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| 22:11.51 | SpeedEvil | He who shudders must be guilty! |
| 22:11.55 | wurp2 | kdean06: Wow, that is a brand new one on me |
| 22:12.08 | LionKMP | good nite all (current asu snapshot fails to start x :-p ) |
| 22:12.11 | wurp2 | kdean06: I guess the secret illegal stationary prisons weren't good enough |
| 22:12.22 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: only if you shudder and get caught mumbling under your br4eath |
| 22:13.26 | kdean06 | Yeah. The "international community" got upset that they tortured captured people (not prisoners of war mind you, war isn't declared! nanny nanny boo boo!) in foreign nations, so they put them in international waters. |
| 22:13.37 | mmontour | Well, so much for that fresh build of the .dev branch - packagekit's busted again (some docbook xml stuff) |
| 22:13.42 | kdean06 | Ouch. |
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| 22:34.40 | SpeedEvil | How not to do flash: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Technologies/Home?WT.ac=TechnologiesGSNFloatHead |
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| 22:36.47 | Qwell | SpeedEvil: what? That's awesome |
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| 23:00.49 | matt444 | does freerunner support UMA? |
| 23:02.37 | SpeedEvil | UMA? |
| 23:02.38 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 23:02.40 | SpeedEvil | No |
| 23:02.59 | SpeedEvil | The problem is that the required access into the mobile chipset isn't there. |
| 23:03.51 | matt444 | hmm |
| 23:03.56 | matt444 | darn |
| 23:04.29 | SpeedEvil | Even assuming that the companies in question make it an open staned. |
| 23:04.32 | SpeedEvil | standard. |
| 23:05.03 | matt444 | guess i'll wait for phone #2 |
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| 23:14.44 | kdubois | yay for "mass production has started" |
| 23:25.48 | SpeedEvil | Just looked at the price of the new iphone in the UK. Looks like ~350 quid ($700) over 18 months. |
| 23:25.58 | SpeedEvil | Or around there. |
| 23:26.24 | Qwell | SpeedEvil: what's a quid, exactly? |
| 23:26.30 | Qwell | is that like "a buck"? |
| 23:26.35 | zash | Qwell: 1 £ |
| 23:26.42 | SpeedEvil | One poind sterling. |
| 23:26.44 | Qwell | just slang? |
| 23:26.49 | SpeedEvil | Common term. |
| 23:26.57 | SpeedEvil | pound |
| 23:29.51 | zash | sterling? |
| 23:30.06 | Qwell | as opposed to stainless |
| 23:30.35 | zash | Sterling silver, a grade of silver |
| 23:30.37 | zash | hm |
| 23:34.55 | mwester | wondered about that too, if perhaps a sterling pound was better suited for some purchases than a mere "common" pound... |
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| 23:36.46 | SuN | Woops http://www.qtopia.net/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=2 |
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| 23:55.56 | wurp2 | SuN: Holy shit! |
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| 23:56.05 | CVirus | old news |
| 23:56.07 | CVirus | :-p |
| 23:56.08 | wurp2 | I was gonna burn a Qtopia image tonight, too |
| 23:56.13 | wurp2 | Not to me |
| 23:56.23 | wurp2 | gotta go, dinner time |
| 23:58.40 | ljp | geez flashing the gta02 is slow... |
| 23:59.26 | ljp | flashing a n810 is so fast in comparison |
| 23:59.45 | wurp2 | ljp: So is there some sekrit place I can get a gta01 qtopia image? |