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| 02:10.21 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03andrew * r4480 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (hw/neo1973.c hw/s3c2410.c openmoko/flash.sh): |
| 02:10.21 | CIA-43 | openmoko: Use u-boot "dynpart" when flashing, with all it's consequences, to get the exact same partition sizes as gta01. |
| 02:10.21 | CIA-43 | openmoko: Don't print repeated backlight level messages. |
| 02:10.21 | CIA-43 | openmoko: Don't die on programmatic CPU off, although there's no way to resume atm. |
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| 03:45.37 | GEEK52 | Visit http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com (upload pic make mag) - http://www.SillyWebcam.com (play with webcam online) - http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com (insulter/anon email) - http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com (fun) - http://www.BodySwitcher.com (put your face on funny body) - http://www.MedChecker.com (health) |
| 03:45.37 | *** topic/#openmoko by GEEK52 -> -=[ http://WWW.WHAK.COM EDY\\Radio ]=- Make Funny Graphics Online At http://www.ImageGenerator.org =) |
| 03:45.38 | GEEK52 | http://www.WHAK.COM EDY radio - http://www.MovieRumor.com (watch theater movies) - http://www.Web20Appz.com (appz) - http://www.ChatPhobia.com to (chat anywhere, web IRC client) - http://www.Canuckster.com (Canada eh) - http://www.Nerdful.com (geeks) |
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| 03:46.40 | zash | god damn |
| 03:47.47 | zash | ~log |
| 03:47.48 | apt | it has been said that log is as piece of wood, or a record, or the opposite of exponentiation |
| 03:47.53 | zash | ~logs |
| 03:47.54 | apt | it has been said that logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
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| 03:49.27 | *** topic/#openmoko by zash -> No, Freerunner is not out yet, but mass production has been given the go ahead. Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates . | ASU means April Software Update and is coming soon. |
| 03:50.36 | Sonicadvance1 | That person seems to come in here quite often to mess with the topic |
| 03:50.57 | zash | bot probably |
| 03:51.03 | zash | bot from hell |
| 03:51.07 | zash | OF DOOM |
| 03:51.08 | Sonicadvance1 | hehe |
| 03:51.11 | Sonicadvance1 | oh no! |
| 03:51.16 | Sonicadvance1 | sings the doom song |
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| 07:03.55 | gcb77 | I've been trying out different snapshots... 2008_05_30 works ok, 2008_06_04 does not (segfault on "opkg install gllin_1.0+r350-r0_fic-gta01.ipk) |
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| 11:49.59 | ScaredyCat | roflmao : http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fail-family-planning.jpg |
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| 12:03.11 | mohamed_ | hi all, does any one know where can I find the u-boot board configuration file for Neo 1973 |
| 12:03.13 | mohamed_ | ? |
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| 12:15.57 | mohamed_ | hi all, does anyone know what is the type of the Neo 1973 board ? is it SAMSUNG SMDK2410 Board ? |
| 12:16.40 | mohamed_ | or from where to get such information ? |
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| 12:25.52 | balrog-kun | mohamed_: nope, that's an evaluation board |
| 12:26.15 | balrog-kun | mohamed_: are you building u-boot? |
| 12:26.34 | balrog-kun | there's a defconfig available somewhere, similar to linux defconfigs |
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| 12:27.00 | mohamed_ | balrog-kun: yes I'm building u-boot, and I need to run it to run a standalone application |
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| 12:27.08 | balrog-kun | i think you just needed to execute something like "make gta01" or something to configure it |
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| 12:28.23 | balrog-kun | make gta01bv4_config |
| 12:28.44 | mohamed_ | balrog-kun: yes that's what I'm trying to do, I'm trying to create a board configuration file for fic-gta01 to build the u-boot using this configuration |
| 12:29.13 | balrog-kun | mohamed_: it already exists |
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| 12:30.06 | mohamed_ | balrog-kun: I couldn't find it in the u-boot sources, could you show me where can I find it ? |
| 12:30.43 | balrog-kun | mohamed_: you need the sources from http://git.openmoko.org/?p=u-boot.git;a=summary |
| 12:31.07 | balrog-kun | andy branch i think |
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| 12:37.50 | mohamed | balrog-kun: I have openmoko build on my PC can I find in it the patch which modifies or creates the gta01 configuration file ? |
| 12:38.24 | balrog-kun | mohamed: yeah, it's somewhere there |
| 12:38.48 | balrog-kun | should be easy to find (but you really just need to execute "make gta01bv4_config") |
| 12:41.04 | mohamed | balrog-kun: yes, I know, but before executing "make gta01bv4_config" I have to have the gta01bv4.h file, which is not available in the u-boot sources |
| 12:41.46 | balrog-kun | mohamed: strange, there should be everything you need |
| 12:42.31 | balrog-kun | mohamed: i built u-boot without problems using just the openmoko sources |
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| 12:43.30 | mohamed | balrog-kun: the original u-boot sources from sourceforge doesn't contain the gta01bv4.h file for sure as it must have been created by openmoko team |
| 12:44.06 | balrog-kun | mohamed: right, the original u-boot sources don't contain many more things, that's why you apply openmoko patches on top of them |
| 12:45.05 | mohamed | balrog-kun: my situation is different I don't want to build u-boot, I want to build u-boot to run a standalone application on Neo 1973 |
| 12:46.24 | balrog-kun | mohamed: that's no different - you will need all the files added to u-boot by openmoko anyway, if you want to run u-boot on a neo1973 |
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| 12:48.26 | mohamed | balrog-kun: but these patches make u-boot run openmoko and not a standalone application, am I right ? |
| 12:49.35 | balrog-kun | mohamed: no, they just make u-boot compatible with the neo1973 hardware - they will end up in mainline (e.g. sourceforge) u-boot one day |
| 12:51.05 | mohamed | balrog-kun: great, that means by applying the openmoko patches to the u-boot sources I can run a standalone application on u-boot ? |
| 12:51.44 | XorA | is really puzzled now |
| 12:51.53 | balrog-kun | mohamed: yeah |
| 12:52.09 | balrog-kun | they don't change u-boot in any way, except hardware support |
| 12:52.43 | balrog-kun | and menu support :) |
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| 12:54.46 | mohamed | balrog-kun: that's really great, you saved me alot of time, thanks alot for your time, but what is menu support ;) |
| 12:56.09 | mohamed | balrog-kun: you mean the menu which appears on the start of the openmoko, where we can choose boot, ... etc ? |
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| 12:58.56 | balrog-kun | mohamed: yes, it's a new feature i think, but it may have been merged upstream already, i'm not sure |
| 12:59.13 | balrog-kun | mohamed: openmoko added some features but they are all optional, nothing is being taken away |
| 12:59.51 | balrog-kun | the menu lets you define some menu entries like the boot menu on neo1973 and attach a u-boot command to every entry |
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| 13:02.02 | mohamed | balrog-kun: ah, you mean that the menu is programmable, but I think I will use u-boot directly, my goal is to run the standalone application |
| 13:02.13 | SpeedEvil | xkcd.com relevant cartoon is relevant |
| 13:02.35 | balrog-kun | mohamed: the menu look, the commands, the bootsplash, are defined only by the environment variables, by default everything is disabled and you can ignore it |
| 13:04.04 | mohamed | balrog-kun: everything is disabled even after applying all the openmoko patches ? |
| 13:04.27 | balrog-kun | mohamed: yeah, i think so |
| 13:04.38 | balrog-kun | mohamed: these patches are prepared for merging upstream |
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| 13:20.48 | kdubois | will the freerunner work with both at&t and t-mobile (in the US)? i heard that one gsm band is unsupported, and dont know what implications that has |
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| 13:24.39 | XorA | kdubois: there is a USA version |
| 13:26.51 | kdubois | alright, cool. i'm lucky my 2 year contract with a cdma provider expires this week :D |
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| 13:28.26 | XorA | kdubois: dont expect a phone that has all the shineys of a Samsung/Nokia just yet though |
| 13:28.50 | wurp2|away | XorA: But it has a few shineys you just don't find anywhere else |
| 13:28.52 | wurp2|away | Like term |
| 13:29.11 | XorA | wurp2|away: its a greate PDA, phone, not so great |
| 13:29.12 | wurp2|away | Finding out what cell towers are in range & how strong each is |
| 13:29.42 | wurp2|away | XorA: Yeah, the last release I burned took away SMS support :-( |
| 13:29.52 | wurp2|away | I haven't found time to revert to a working one yet |
| 13:29.57 | wurp2|away | s/found/made/ |
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| 13:30.01 | XorA | hmm, I thought qtopia SMS was working |
| 13:30.08 | wurp2|away | I'm not on ASU |
| 13:30.15 | wurp2|away | Just a late 2007.2 |
| 13:31.01 | kdubois | XorA: yeah, i want to do development though, so as long as i can make calls, i dont mind that its not as shiny as my htc phone i have now |
| 13:31.22 | XorA | ASU seems to work pretty well on GTA01 so far, I need to get round to finding a SIM for it |
| 13:32.06 | XorA | kdubois: calls can be made, whether the other person can hear you is the current source of bother |
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| 13:36.12 | wurp2|away | It may also have to do with me not having burned the latest kernel to go with the release, but I doubt it since libgsmd-tool shell works fine to read smses |
| 13:36.27 | wurp2|away | gotta go to work |
| 13:36.41 | wurp2|away | XorA: I haven't had trouble with that (in 2007.2), just with echo |
| 13:36.48 | wurp2|away | and sometimes the gsm falls down :-( |
| 13:36.55 | wurp2|away | in which case you just silently stop getting calls |
| 13:37.01 | wurp2|away | *now* I have to go to work |
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| 13:39.34 | BDo | Well, I'd join in the development, but right now I just can do nothing but simulation |
| 13:39.55 | BDo | which wouldn't help for the voice problem :-( |
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| 13:40.41 | mohamed | balrog-kun: could you tell me how did you applied the u-boot patches, some patch files need to patch non existing files ? |
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| 13:47.02 | mohamed | can anyone tell me how to apply openmoko u-boot patches to u-boot sources obtained from sourceforge, please ? |
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| 13:49.52 | CVirus | mohamed: are you going to buy the FreeRunner ? |
| 13:50.19 | CVirus | mohamed: you're that Egyptian guy .. right ? |
| 13:50.25 | mohamed | yes, but when it is released of course, I have Neo 1973 now :) |
| 13:50.33 | mohamed | CVirus: yes it's me |
| 13:50.37 | CVirus | mohamed: how are you going to ship it ? |
| 13:50.52 | mohamed | CVirus: FedEx |
| 13:50.59 | CVirus | mohamed: how much would that cost ? |
| 13:51.07 | CVirus | mohamed: and why not UPS ? |
| 13:51.22 | mohamed | CVirus: I don't know UPS |
| 13:51.38 | CVirus | mohamed: how much did shipping the neo 1973 cost ? |
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| 13:52.01 | mohamed | CVirus: 65$ |
| 13:52.23 | CVirus | too much |
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| 13:53.21 | CVirus | mohamed: dafa3t gamarek ? |
| 13:53.32 | mohamed | CVirus: yes |
| 13:53.35 | CVirus | mohamed: kam ? |
| 13:53.51 | mohamed | CVirus: 25 % |
| 13:54.02 | CVirus | omg |
| 13:54.15 | CVirus | mohamed: ya3ny you got the neo1973 for like 550% ? |
| 13:54.16 | kdubois | XorA: ill probably pick up a free phone from the provider, just for backup then :P |
| 13:54.20 | CVirus | 550$ |
| 13:54.39 | CVirus | fucken country |
| 13:55.08 | mohamed | CVirus: I think a little more, 563$ instead of 443$ |
| 13:55.21 | CVirus | holy crap |
| 13:55.47 | CVirus | I'm a student for f*ck's sake |
| 13:56.06 | mohamed | CVirus: :) that's the way things work in Egypt |
| 13:56.42 | CVirus | fuck it |
| 13:57.08 | CVirus | where will be the FreeRunner shipping from ? |
| 13:57.12 | CVirus | what state ? |
| 13:58.20 | kdubois | hopefully somewhere in the midwest :-D |
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| 13:58.56 | balrog-kun | mohamed: just use the git sources |
| 13:59.14 | balrog-kun | openmoko git = u-boot git + openmoko patches |
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| 14:00.13 | mohamed | balrog-kun: I'm afraid that I'm not experienced with git or how to use it :( |
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| 14:02.30 | balrog-kun | you can apply the series with quilt -a anyway (but they probably won't work against sourceforge because it's too old) |
| 14:03.25 | balrog-kun | err, quilt -a push (or similar) |
| 14:04.12 | balrog-kun | http://git.denx.de/u-boot.git <-- this is the official u-boot tree on top of which openmoko patches are made |
| 14:06.38 | mohamed | balrog-kun: sorry, after going to http://git.denx.de/u-boot.git, what should I do ? |
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| 14:10.11 | balrog-kun | mohamed: i suggest soemthign like |
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| 14:10.13 | balrog-kun | cg-clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/u-boot.git#andy |
| 14:11.42 | mohamed | balrog-kun: is cg-clone is a linux command ? |
| 14:11.58 | mohamed | balrog-kun: is cg-clone command not found ? |
| 14:12.01 | balrog-kun | mohamed: it's a cogito command |
| 14:12.10 | robster | balrog-kun: heyas ;-) |
| 14:12.20 | balrog-kun | hey robster! |
| 14:12.41 | robster | balrog-kun: i saw your blog post, awesome :-) |
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| 14:13.22 | balrog-kun | :) |
| 14:13.30 | balrog-kun | mohamed: you can use git clone instead i think |
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| 14:13.52 | Bish | brr.. when the f it will come out |
| 14:14.08 | balrog-kun | though i don't know if it lets you download a branch that easily |
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| 14:18.12 | mohamed | balrog-kun: I'm a little bit confused now, to make cg-clone run I have to install cogito ? or I can use git clone instead of cg-clone ? |
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| 14:19.04 | balrog-kun | mohamed: you will have to try to know for sure, "git clone git://..." |
| 14:19.12 | balrog-kun | mohamed: cogito is nice to have though |
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| 14:26.25 | balrog-kun | off |
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| 14:42.09 | Tanuva | ScaredyCat: remote-cooking.. sounds fun :D |
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| 14:44.18 | ScaredyCat | if only... |
| 14:45.01 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03dp 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r679077cf6899 10/packages/openmoko-projects/exposure_svn.bb: [exposure] dont make PR go backwards |
| 14:45.08 | ScaredyCat | I'm cooking from recipies from the net.... |
| 14:45.11 | ScaredyCat | ... and ... |
| 14:45.16 | ScaredyCat | I can't actually cook... |
| 14:45.23 | ScaredyCat | so... |
| 14:45.24 | ScaredyCat | errm |
| 14:45.41 | ScaredyCat | well, we'll see |
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| 15:07.41 | wurp2|away | Bish: They're mass producing now |
| 15:07.53 | wurp2|away | No news on when it ships, but it's gotta be soon... |
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| 15:11.15 | Bish | wurp2|away: yeah i know.. i already preodered a freerunner.. grr |
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| 15:18.39 | mohamed | hi all, can any one tell me how to build u-boot sources obtained from git://git.openmoko.org/git/u-boot.git to work on Neo 1973, please ? |
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| 15:30.37 | mohamed | hi all, can any one tell me how to build u-boot sources obtained from git://git.openmoko.org/git/u-boot.git to work on Neo 1973, please ? |
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| 15:50.23 | mohamed | hi all, I've downloaded the u-boot sources from git://git.openmoko.org/git/u-boot.git, can anyone tell me how to build it to work on Neo 1973 ? |
| 15:52.22 | ebbe | mohamed: Why don't you use the MokoMakefile? |
| 15:53.07 | mohamed | ebbe: I don't need to build openmoko I just want to build u-boot to run a standalone application on Neo 1973 |
| 15:53.50 | mohamed | ebbe: I have already a working openmoko build on my PC |
| 15:54.37 | ebbe | Doesn't the makefile support u-boot? (I don't have a mokomakefile) |
| 15:55.21 | ebbe | If not, don't mind my silly ramblings :) |
| 15:55.21 | mwester | Yes. There is a u-boot target in the mokomakefile. Just read the makefile to figure out what it does to build that target. |
| 15:55.54 | ebbe | Ah, then mind my silly ramblings .. |
| 15:55.56 | balrog-kun | right, plus wiki has all these commands too |
| 15:56.02 | mwester | Or, just build that target with the makefile, then examine the logs (to the console as well as the logs left behind in the build directories) |
| 15:56.17 | balrog-kun | plus i think i pasted the command here :) |
| 15:56.32 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4481 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg_download.c: |
| 15:56.32 | CIA-43 | openmoko: opkg: Fix a small memory leak in opkg_download. |
| 15:56.32 | CIA-43 | openmoko: Patch from Alexandros Kostopoulos <akostop@inaccessnetworks.com> |
| 15:58.40 | mohamed | balrog-kun: you mean quilt -a push ?, but this command is for patching |
| 15:59.28 | balrog-kun | 14:38 < balrog-kun> should be easy to find (but you really just need to execute "make gta01bv4_config") |
| 16:00.08 | balrog-kun | oh i pasted it four times :) |
| 16:01.01 | mohamed | balrog-kun: after I have downloaded the sources from git://git.openmoko.org/git/u-boot.git, I couldn't find the gta01bv4.h file, so I was unable to execute "make gta01bv4_config" |
| 16:01.15 | balrog-kun | you need -andy |
| 16:01.34 | balrog-kun | or what the MokoMakefile uses |
| 16:01.36 | balrog-kun | or what OE uses |
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| 16:03.15 | mohamed | balrog-kun: but git://git.openmoko.org/git/u-boot.git#andy didn't work, I mean git failed to fetch the sources from it :( |
| 16:04.31 | balrog-kun | right, that's what i meant about branches: either cg-clone or git checkout... later |
| 16:04.36 | balrog-kun | to switch branches |
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| 16:06.55 | balrog-kun | or just let the damn MokoMakefile do it all for you |
| 16:08.36 | mmontour_ | Note that MokoMakefile/OE does not use the OM git repository for u-boot. It uses the upstream (denx.de) tree + a quilt patchset from SVN. |
| 16:09.32 | balrog-kun | they're supposed to be the same except the most recent changes i think? |
| 16:10.27 | mohamed | balrog-kun: do you know the MokoMakefile command that builds the u-boot only, not the whole openmoko ? |
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| 16:11.11 | mwester | Read the makefile - it's right in there! |
| 16:11.29 | mmontour_ | "bitbake u-boot-openmoko" |
| 16:14.40 | balrog-kun | you should probably use only the buildhost images if you have problems using practically any tool |
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| 16:17.11 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: added |
| 16:17.11 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: manufacturer, technology, energy_full, battery_status, type, model_name |
| 16:17.11 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: dbus methods |
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| 16:31.52 | mmontour_ | The OM git tree for u-boot fails to build for gta01 - "conflicting types for rtc_get' in pfc50606.c |
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| 17:07.37 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * rf3273909882f 10/odeviced/src/plugins/power/ (power.c power.vala): added a dummy battery polling function that checks the current level every 300 seconds |
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| 17:25.22 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r6b1aff509ce7 10/odeviced/src/plugins/power/ (Makefile.am power.c power.plugin power.vala): add low energy threshold option |
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| 17:38.23 | Bumbl | hi |
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| 18:05.05 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. 'On Friday, June 6, 2008 Alameda County District Attorney Thomas Orloff has said that Hans Reiser may disclose the location of Nina Reiser's body in exchange for a lighter sentance'. |
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| 18:06.30 | kdean06 | Don't trust terrorcrat doublespeak. |
| 18:06.46 | kdean06 | I'll believe it when I see Hans make the statement. |
| 18:06.56 | SpeedEvil | Ah - he's been offered the opptortunity |
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| 18:07.08 | SpeedEvil | not revealed the location. |
| 18:07.10 | SpeedEvil | My bad. |
| 18:07.48 | mjr | righto, so one of them "unless you're actually innocent you can get a sentence cut" kinda deals |
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| 18:09.00 | kdean06 | That statement could mean "Hans Reiser has been given the chance to reveal Nina's location for leniency" not "Hans is debating if he will". |
| 18:09.07 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:09.09 | SpeedEvil | I know |
| 18:09.12 | kdean06 | Hans might know. :P |
| 18:09.16 | mjr | kdean06, yes, that's what I took it to mean |
| 18:09.32 | ewon | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.38 | ewon | bet compiler error evar |
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| 18:11.58 | SpeedEvil | The quotes that have come from the DA do not actually say that the approaches came from the defence side. |
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| 18:13.35 | ccfly | hello folks :) |
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| 18:17.56 | cb22[eee] | Hmm, I hope Openmoko has the new revolutionary iPhone feature, which allows you to find a contact by entering a bit of the name |
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| 18:27.48 | Zero_Dogg | that's revolutionary? Or were you being sarcastic? |
| 18:28.28 | kdean06 | I think it was daftly applied irony. |
| 18:36.40 | mohamed | hi all, I've obtained a u-boot.bin file after building openmoko using MokoMakefile, I'm trying to emulate this file using qemu but it doesn't work, can any one help me please ? |
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| 18:38.55 | wurp2 | ewon: Running the compiler out of heap is a good trick |
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| 18:47.17 | bkruse | apple 8gb 3g - $199 |
| 18:47.18 | bkruse | dang |
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| 18:50.17 | Basheri | yeap :\ |
| 18:50.42 | ebbe | Not interested |
| 18:51.30 | Basheri | I try not to be |
| 18:52.27 | mjr | easy not to be |
| 18:52.31 | ebbe | It's easy for me not to be. I just think about who and what I'd support by it. This makes me want an open phone more :) |
| 18:52.41 | mjr | indeed |
| 18:53.14 | bkruse | I know :) |
| 18:53.20 | cb22[eee] | That price is probably just a little subsidized |
| 18:53.39 | bkruse | bah, either way, freerunner ftw! |
| 18:53.47 | cb22[eee] | i agree :) |
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| 18:58.54 | mohamed | hi all, I was trying to build openmoko using mokomakefile but I received this error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/18862/ can any one help, please ? |
| 18:58.57 | fenfir | it's a cool device, and personally i'm more opposed to selling my soul to att than the iphone |
| 18:59.21 | fenfir | the only telco that has been fair to me so far has been t-mo |
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| 19:02.31 | Basheri | ebbe: for me that's the reason i don't _want_ to be interested. But yeah, freerunner ftw. |
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| 19:03.39 | bkruse | fenfir: I am with tmo also, love it |
| 19:04.19 | fenfir | of course, now 8GB iphone is 100$ cheaper than 8gb itouch |
| 19:04.34 | Basheri | seems odd |
| 19:04.58 | Qwell | fenfir: subsidized |
| 19:05.28 | zedstar_ | hmm wonder how easy that will be to crack now it is so cheap |
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| 19:13.03 | mjr | one would think harder |
| 19:15.18 | Basheri | it's a shame that iphone is so cool. ;D But I'm looking forward to the finished version of ASU - I'm sure it'll kick ass |
| 19:17.30 | Qwell | ASU? It's June. :D |
| 19:18.16 | Basheri | but you know, the new stuff =D |
| 19:18.17 | fenfir | umm...next april? |
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| 19:23.26 | dreadful_great | I hope we can make the freerunner as smooth as the iPhone:) |
| 19:23.57 | Basheri | me too |
| 19:24.32 | doc|work | needs a faster proc :/ |
| 19:25.14 | Basheri | lets just hope that we can get also some positive things out of glamo :P |
| 19:28.39 | doc|work | Basheri: besides the planet.openmoko.org post about mplayer it's looking like using the glamo might be more of a liability than an advantage :/ |
| 19:28.46 | doc|work | that post gives some hope though |
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| 19:30.31 | ccfly | all we would need is someone persuasive enough to make AMD executives open up imageon specs |
| 19:30.36 | ccfly | let's say this lady |
| 19:30.38 | ccfly | http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Number_Six |
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| 19:32.10 | Basheri | doc|work: yeah, that's what i've heard. Actually i meant that i hope we get even some positive things in addition to all those negative ones we've been hearing about |
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| 19:33.52 | doc|work | anyone know anything about freescale? Are they likely to open up their stuff? they have a 533mhz arm proc which would do much of what we'd need http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=i.MX37&nodeId=0162468rH311432973ZrDR&tab=In-Depth_Tab but I'm not an ee. |
| 19:33.59 | doc|work | Basheri: aye |
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| 19:35.02 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r067b480e80e1 10/odeviced/src/plugins/power/ (power.c power.plugin power.vala): |
| 19:35.02 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) add polling for battery status, viz. Charging and Discharging |
| 19:35.02 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) Emit battery-status-changed signal with the status as the message |
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| 19:38.14 | cb22[eee] | sweet, hardware decoding :) |
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| 19:39.44 | doc|work | cb22[eee]: can we get the specs though? :/ |
| 19:40.02 | doc|work | or do you mean from glamo? |
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| 19:40.20 | cb22[eee] | yeah |
| 19:40.34 | doc|work | to glamo? :) |
| 19:40.38 | cb22[eee] | yep |
| 19:40.40 | doc|work | ok |
| 19:40.45 | cb22[eee] | check planet.openmoko.org |
| 19:40.58 | doc|work | yep, I mentioned that about 10 minutes ago :) |
| 19:41.08 | cb22[eee] | ah, heh :) |
| 19:41.11 | pjz | doc|work: I know someone at freescale; which part are you interested in? |
| 19:41.24 | cb22[eee] | doc|work, i feel delayed |
| 19:41.33 | ccfly | doc|work I would guess freescale uses PowerVR which means, closed drivers |
| 19:41.50 | doc|work | cb22[eee]: par for the course around these parts ;) |
| 19:42.14 | doc|work | ccfly: http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=i.MX37&nodeId=0162468rH311432973ZrDR&tab=In-Depth_Tab could work for the gta04 |
| 19:42.35 | doc|work | no mention of powervr on that page |
| 19:42.53 | doc|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.53 | doc|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.53 | doc|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.03 | ccfly | most ARM producers use it since ARM pushes it in its designs |
| 19:43.56 | doc|work | hmmmm, seems that this is the chip the iphone uses |
| 19:44.12 | doc|work | and is powervr :/ |
| 19:44.31 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all, an implementation question regarding my project (odeviced).....i am polling for battery charge status every 5 seconds..is this ok> |
| 19:44.45 | cb22[eee] | Sup3rkiddo, hmmm... |
| 19:44.47 | ccfly | why do you need it every 5 seconds anyways |
| 19:44.48 | cb22[eee] | polling is evil |
| 19:44.50 | doc|work | seems a lot |
| 19:44.53 | cb22[eee] | yeah |
| 19:44.56 | ccfly | extrapolate |
| 19:45.04 | cb22[eee] | Sup3rkiddo, dont supposee you have a gta02? |
| 19:45.14 | Sup3rkiddo | oops..i didn't mean the charge level |
| 19:45.26 | Sup3rkiddo | change in charge status |
| 19:45.31 | cb22[eee] | oh, if its charging or not? |
| 19:45.35 | doc|work | wouldn't there be a dbus interface for that? |
| 19:45.44 | Sup3rkiddo | i am supposed to write that |
| 19:45.46 | ccfly | or inotify at least |
| 19:45.46 | doc|work | not even a gui programmer :/ |
| 19:45.50 | doc|work | Sup3rkiddo: hahaha, ok then :D |
| 19:45.52 | Sup3rkiddo | checked in some code |
| 19:46.03 | ccfly | wait check HAL |
| 19:46.12 | Sup3rkiddo | charging level can be interpolated and averaged since its a number |
| 19:46.47 | Sup3rkiddo | so if the status is changed, battery-status-changed signal is emitted |
| 19:47.17 | Sup3rkiddo | the interval of cource can be set in a configuration file...its just that i was wondering on an optimal interval |
| 19:47.38 | ccfly | Sup3rkiddo signal for AC / no AC should be emitted by HAL if there is any justicei nthis world |
| 19:47.50 | Sup3rkiddo | ccfly, okie dokie...but mickeyl suggested not to go the hal way.. |
| 19:47.58 | ccfly | I see, why not ? |
| 19:48.45 | Sup3rkiddo | i saw some blog post of a need to replace it with something emphasizes on mobile phones |
| 19:48.58 | Sup3rkiddo | so i am doing that as part of gsoc |
| 19:49.20 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm..italy 2 down |
| 19:50.06 | Sup3rkiddo | cb22[eee], its not mine...it belongs to a university lab...i just used it for a while..back to square one, without a device |
| 19:52.12 | ccfly | if you're going to do this, please add a "BatteryLow" signal at least |
| 19:52.23 | ccfly | some application will be probably happy about it :> |
| 19:52.30 | cbrake | laughs at the error messages on the console after openmoko-x11 crashes ... |
| 19:52.54 | ccfly | You're lucky you didn't get SPANKED by them |
| 19:53.16 | Sup3rkiddo | ccfly, i will do that, you can set the threshold at a configuration file for the power plugin... |
| 19:53.21 | Sup3rkiddo | currently set to 10% |
| 19:53.39 | Sup3rkiddo | so if it falls below that a "battery-low" signal will be emitted |
| 19:54.03 | cbrake | what is the easiest way to restart the GTA01 when it is setting at the console? |
| 19:54.05 | Sup3rkiddo | as you said, i will have to do some math (which i suck at) |
| 19:54.11 | ccfly | remove a battery |
| 19:54.16 | cbrake | ccfly: :-( |
| 19:54.18 | ccfly | but first please remove USB cable |
| 19:54.20 | ccfly | just in case |
| 19:54.41 | Sup3rkiddo | i remember getting a weird noise sometimes |
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| 19:54.49 | Sup3rkiddo | misses the gta01 |
| 19:55.16 | cbrake | ~lart folks who don't put a reset button on a device |
| 19:55.16 | apt | sends a legion of lawyers after folks who don't put a reset button on a device's head |
| 19:55.34 | Sup3rkiddo | i wonder |
| 19:55.39 | Sup3rkiddo | ~lart apt_ |
| 19:55.39 | apt | eats apt_ and falls over dead |
| 19:55.49 | Sup3rkiddo | recursion FTW |
| 19:55.58 | ccfly | I hate reset button, it suggests it is necessary |
| 19:56.05 | ccfly | which it shouldn't be |
| 19:56.50 | Sup3rkiddo | so people, checking for status, 5 seconds?..or should i move that higher up the layer to applications that will be implementing my DBus interface, |
| 19:56.55 | thomasg | ccfly, HTC sees that like you do - they didnt't even put a "Turn off"-switch (neither hardware, nor software) at my universal |
| 19:57.05 | cbrake | is the GTA02 still using jffs2 for the main rootfs? |
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| 19:57.35 | ccfly | HTC brakes down automaticaly, reset and power off are redundant there ;) |
| 19:57.44 | thomasg | ccfly, if only |
| 19:57.49 | thomasg | most of the time it just freezes |
| 19:58.28 | thomasg | means: 1) open battery bay 2) open battery lock 3) open battery snap 4) pull out battery - and the same the other way |
| 19:59.12 | ccfly | Sup3rkiddo put polling interval in config file, and don't let client to mess with it |
| 19:59.23 | ccfly | no need to complicate |
| 19:59.24 | Sup3rkiddo | ccfly, okie dokie...thanks |
| 19:59.36 | ccfly | of course everything I say is allways IMHO |
| 19:59.44 | Sup3rkiddo | i understand |
| 19:59.57 | Sup3rkiddo | i should put this up on the mailing lists for comments |
| 20:00.31 | Vegar | what are you polling for? |
| 20:00.35 | Vegar | battery status? |
| 20:00.41 | ccfly | AC / no AC |
| 20:01.00 | Sup3rkiddo | yeah |
| 20:01.06 | ccfly | still I think kernel driver should be able to help with this |
| 20:01.14 | Sup3rkiddo | is using sysfs |
| 20:01.22 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: I was planning to write something to decipher the battery voltage on the gta01 into a charge level |
| 20:01.35 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, sysfs has a file for that |
| 20:02.00 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: sysfs has a file on gta01 to give charge level as a linear decline? |
| 20:02.15 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, not on gta01 |
| 20:02.22 | Sup3rkiddo | i dunno about that |
| 20:02.29 | Sup3rkiddo | am testing all my code on my laptop |
| 20:02.29 | wurp2 | yeah, I don't think it's on the 01 |
| 20:02.37 | wurp2 | Which is where I am focused |
| 20:02.59 | Sup3rkiddo | i am taking data from /sys/class/power_supply |
| 20:03.10 | ccfly | I would ask mickey if kernel driver for PMU can do inotify |
| 20:03.26 | Sup3rkiddo | he is asleep atm |
| 20:03.27 | wurp2 | Anyway, my point was gonna be that once I get that built, I could send it to you to use as a substitute (or from which to write a substitute) for the charge level when your daemon is running on an 01 instead of an 02 |
| 20:03.28 | ccfly | signalling your daemon that ac/no ac file has changed |
| 20:03.50 | ccfly | just an idea I haven't got any practice at this |
| 20:03.57 | Sup3rkiddo | ccfly, oh, there is file as well....i am checking a file called "status" |
| 20:04.02 | ccfly | but it would surely be nicer that polling |
| 20:04.02 | Sup3rkiddo | oh ok.. |
| 20:04.06 | Sup3rkiddo | yeah |
| 20:04.09 | Sup3rkiddo | i agree |
| 20:04.25 | Sup3rkiddo | i need to look on inotify |
| 20:04.31 | wurp2 | I would definitely ask on openmoko-devel, and maybe the kernel list, if there's a way to register for notification of charger status change vs. polling |
| 20:04.33 | Sup3rkiddo | wow..am i having fun |
| 20:04.35 | wurp2 | but... |
| 20:04.39 | eliasp | inotify is the probably most lightweight solution for doing this... |
| 20:04.50 | wurp2 | Just write your code to notify you when the poller detects a charge level change |
| 20:04.51 | Sup3rkiddo | inotify it is then |
| 20:05.04 | ccfly | charge level is not even problematic |
| 20:05.08 | wurp2 | Then test with the poller, and it's a simple switch when/if you find out you can be notified |
| 20:05.12 | ccfly | it's just AC no AC in my opinion |
| 20:05.40 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, i do it pretty ugly now...poll a file in /sys every 5 seconds and emit signal trhough dbus if it changes |
| 20:05.54 | Sup3rkiddo | somehow i felt there would be a better way :D |
| 20:06.38 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: yeah, I'm just saying you can use the code you have now (which works) until you hear about a better way |
| 20:06.45 | Sup3rkiddo | but it works though...just that it isn't elegant |
| 20:06.48 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: You also probably need to debounce that signal |
| 20:07.04 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, debounce? i am sorry but..what that? |
| 20:07.13 | wurp2 | Maybe when you get a change, poll it three times, 100 ms in between, until you get three of the same value |
| 20:07.26 | ccfly | just curious what are you using for DBUS, C API or some kind of library (QtDBUS) ? |
| 20:07.29 | Sup3rkiddo | ah ok |
| 20:07.38 | Sup3rkiddo | ccfly, i GLib, |
| 20:07.41 | wurp2 | Because I know from checkFastCharge that sometimes you get a slow charge mode briefly when you plug into a valid usb connector |
| 20:07.43 | Sup3rkiddo | ..and vala |
| 20:07.51 | wurp2 | then a little later it's properly in fast charge mode |
| 20:07.59 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, dang..i almost forgot about your project |
| 20:08.07 | Sup3rkiddo | i should have taken a look at that |
| 20:08.12 | wurp2 | Heh |
| 20:08.19 | wurp2 | the source is on projects.openmoko.org now |
| 20:08.19 | Sup3rkiddo | has never been this low in the food chain :P |
| 20:08.23 | wurp2 | There's not much to it |
| 20:08.24 | Sup3rkiddo | yeah i know |
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| 20:08.58 | Sup3rkiddo | i mean the sources' location ;) |
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| 20:09.22 | wurp2 | Heh, I figured :-) |
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| 20:12.06 | Sup3rkiddo | if anyone is curious enough, the code is here http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=openmoko-gsoc2008.git;a=summary |
| 20:15.20 | Sup3rkiddo | gnight people..thanks for inotify tip... |
| 20:15.47 | ccfly | good night |
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| 20:27.48 | wurp2 | It seems to me that OM should put out a set of mock-up screenshots of their ideal for the core suite of apps |
| 20:28.10 | wurp2 | We seem to keep rebuilding them, and I have no idea what the new target is |
| 20:28.18 | pjz | I thought there were some on the wiki? |
| 20:28.22 | wurp2 | And people can't make UI suggestions until the UI has been built |
| 20:28.27 | pjz | or are those considered old and out of date now? |
| 20:28.46 | pjz | wurp2: just make it awesome |
| 20:28.47 | wurp2 | pjz: I haven't seen them... I've seen some examples of how Illume works, and shots of Qtopia and the old 2007.2 apps |
| 20:29.12 | wurp2 | pjz: I shouldn't have said "we" up there - I'm not part of OM, just the community |
| 20:29.25 | pjz | wurp2: so make it awesome anyway |
| 20:29.35 | wurp2 | pjz: I think the way to make it awesome is to get feedback from 100s of people as early as possible |
| 20:29.36 | pjz | wurp2: you can contribute even if you're not part of OM |
| 20:29.40 | wurp2 | surely |
| 20:29.43 | wurp2 | and I have, some |
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| 20:29.45 | zedstar_ | wurp2 yeh i agree |
| 20:29.49 | pjz | wurp2: so mock up what you'd want to see |
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| 20:29.57 | wurp2 | But my apps are ugly with a capital Ugh! |
| 20:30.11 | wurp2 | pjz: Good point... my Gimp skills are pretty weak, though |
| 20:30.23 | wurp2 | I might mock up some stuff on paper or in Dia and load it up, though ;-) |
| 20:30.30 | pjz | wurp2: so use this exercise as a way to improve your gimp skills! |
| 20:30.35 | wurp2 | Let someone who has a clue pertify |
| 20:30.56 | wurp2 | pjz: That's a good suggestion too... weak Gimp skills have repeatedly been a hindrance for me |
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| 20:31.34 | zedstar_ | there are probably some pretty good artists in the community without technical skills who could do mock ups for feedback |
| 20:31.41 | wurp2 | yeah |
| 20:31.45 | wurp2 | That's what I was thinking too |
| 20:32.00 | zedstar_ | lets face it us geeks sux at that stuff |
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| 20:32.32 | wurp2 | wurp2: I have a hard time facing when I suck at anything I want to be good at |
| 20:33.08 | wurp2 | Unfortunately I mostly want to be good at Gimp for purely practical reasons, rather than the joy of making pretty icons |
| 20:33.46 | zedstar_ | plus it is all subjective (within constraints) so the more feedback the better |
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| 20:48.41 | cb22[eee] | wants a freerunner |
| 20:48.43 | cb22[eee] | nao |
| 20:49.23 | zash | wants a freerunner |
| 20:49.39 | CVirus | wants a freerunner |
| 20:49.49 | woglinde | hehe |
| 20:49.51 | mmontour_ | wants a GTA03 |
| 20:49.54 | Basheri | you guys must be kidding |
| 20:51.22 | Basheri | i would never have guessed that someone here wants it |
| 20:51.22 | cb22[eee] | Basheri, we're all a bit weird here. we're willing to pay $400 for a phone that hardly works :) |
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| 20:51.24 | Basheri | You can count me in ;) |
| 20:51.27 | CVirus | yeah .. lol |
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| 20:51.41 | Danker | Hi |
| 20:51.45 | CVirus | hai |
| 20:51.52 | cb22[eee] | oh hai |
| 20:51.54 | Danker | When will be neo freerunner released? |
| 20:52.00 | CVirus | can I has freirunnr |
| 20:52.05 | CVirus | Danker: /topic |
| 20:52.10 | Basheri | points at the topic |
| 20:52.12 | cb22[eee] | moar freerunner! |
| 20:52.15 | Basheri | damn, too slow |
| 20:52.23 | CVirus | hehe |
| 20:52.40 | Danker | Price will be 450$? |
| 20:52.47 | CVirus | 399$ |
| 20:52.51 | Danker | Nice :) |
| 20:53.12 | CVirus | Danker: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/015080.html |
| 20:53.16 | LionKMP | Danker: see also http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales if interested. |
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| 20:53.43 | CVirus | mohamed: we won't be able to do group sales in Egypt for sure .. right ? |
| 20:54.02 | cb22[eee] | reads about http dela encoding |
| 20:55.03 | zash | lol wut |
| 20:55.22 | Danker | Thanks for info |
| 20:55.43 | cb22[eee] | zash, basically, loading only the changed parts of a page |
| 20:55.50 | cb22[eee] | like a diff |
| 20:55.58 | zash | in http? |
| 20:56.00 | mohamed | CVirus: yes, because we don't know when it will be available, and we have to find those who are interested in buying an opensource phone |
| 20:56.01 | cb22[eee] | yep |
| 20:56.10 | cb22[eee] | zash, it could be real interesting... |
| 20:56.18 | cb22[eee] | someone else has also thought of this here |
| 20:56.20 | cb22[eee] | cant remember who |
| 20:56.33 | zash | cb22[eee]: coul, i knew about http 40x Page have not changed |
| 20:56.42 | CVirus | mohamed: we can find people from EgLUG .. but the point is we'll get jailed for the GPS module |
| 20:56.50 | zash | cb22[eee]: but diffs would be cool |
| 20:56.56 | cb22[eee] | CVirus, seriously? |
| 20:57.08 | SuN | Hm, would the GPS module be easy to remove? |
| 20:57.08 | CVirus | cb22[eee]: GPS is illegal in Egypt |
| 20:57.16 | cb22[eee] | O-o |
| 20:57.17 | CVirus | I want it ! |
| 20:57.22 | cb22[eee] | well |
| 20:57.32 | CVirus | cb22[eee]: it's a fucked up country |
| 20:57.34 | cb22[eee] | i'm pretty sure it doesnt come with any mapping programs |
| 20:57.34 | SuN | Like, someone could buy a bunch of freerunners, desolder the GPS chips and send them to Egypt. |
| 20:57.35 | Basheri | O_o |
| 20:57.43 | mohamed | CVirus: :), no the documents are not complete, and doesn't point out the existence of GPS |
| 20:57.43 | SuN | For a modest price increase. |
| 20:57.44 | cb22[eee] | so i doubt they would know |
| 20:57.48 | Basheri | CVirus: Wow, that's fucked |
| 20:57.51 | Basheri | up |
| 20:57.53 | CVirus | mohamed: really ? |
| 20:57.57 | CVirus | Basheri: true |
| 20:58.04 | CVirus | mohamed: do they only check the docs ? |
| 20:58.20 | Basheri | CVirus: what's their excuse for that law? |
| 20:58.25 | zash | cb22[eee]: is there a link? |
| 20:58.26 | CVirus | Basheri: nothing |
| 20:58.27 | SuN | Terrists! |
| 20:58.38 | mohamed | CVirus: it is the only way to check a non working phone :D :D |
| 20:58.40 | Basheri | CVirus: interesting.. :o |
| 20:58.43 | SuN | I imagine Egypt has a thriving map business. |
| 20:58.44 | zash | CVirus: WHAT?? |
| 20:58.48 | CVirus | Basheri: we don't have laws in Egypt ... the government decides what should be done and what shouldn't |
| 20:59.07 | Basheri | :o |
| 20:59.18 | SuN | Isn't it time to... revolt? |
| 20:59.23 | CVirus | no |
| 20:59.23 | zash | REVOLT! |
| 20:59.25 | CVirus | no |
| 20:59.28 | CVirus | Egyptians are so negative |
| 20:59.33 | CVirus | negativity rules their life |
| 20:59.35 | zash | Move to sweden! |
| 20:59.36 | CVirus | greedy fuck heads |
| 20:59.42 | cb22[eee] | zash, google for 'http delta encoding' |
| 20:59.43 | CVirus | zash: I'm doing that in less than 2 years |
| 20:59.49 | SpeedEvil | Thye GPS antenna - AIUI - would be easy to remove |
| 20:59.50 | cb22[eee] | sorry, irc'ing on my eee, and browsing on my normal pc |
| 20:59.52 | SuN | One can perfectly evolt while being negative :) |
| 20:59.52 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 21:00.00 | CVirus | SuN: not in Egypt |
| 21:00.07 | SuN | revolt hmpf |
| 21:00.09 | Basheri | CVirus: i'm glad you're not one of those greedy fuck heads =) |
| 21:00.10 | CVirus | you guys have no idea about what's happening in this country |
| 21:00.21 | SuN | I'll be in Egypt in one month. |
| 21:00.31 | mohamed | CVirus: are you traveling to Sweden ? |
| 21:00.36 | CVirus | Basheri: I no longer fucken care ... I almost got myself jailed because I cared to much |
| 21:00.39 | SuN | But I guess I won't completely find out. |
| 21:00.42 | CVirus | mohamed: yup .. for my master's degree |
| 21:01.04 | CVirus | SuN: interested in a LUG gathering in cairo :-) ? |
| 21:01.07 | mohamed | CVirus: great news, and good luck :) |
| 21:01.12 | CVirus | mohamed: thanks :-) |
| 21:01.14 | SuN | Hm perhaps :D |
| 21:01.15 | SuN | When is it? |
| 21:01.19 | emdete | mohamed: google finds lots of companies selling gps support in egypt... are you shure it's forbidden? do you have a url? |
| 21:01.20 | Basheri | CVirus: daaamn, i never would have guessed that things are like that over there |
| 21:01.24 | CVirus | SuN: we will arrange for that |
| 21:01.30 | SuN | It would have to fit into our rather tight schedule, though. |
| 21:01.42 | CVirus | Basheri: things are worth ... the outside world literally knows nothing about what's happening inside Egypt |
| 21:01.50 | CVirus | emdete: it is |
| 21:01.51 | zash | CVirus: however, sweden is about to turn into 1984, along with the rest of EU |
| 21:01.53 | SuN | I have more time in Sharm el Sheik, I guess. |
| 21:01.58 | zash | wants to move to .nz |
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| 21:02.06 | Basheri | CVirus: yeah, i can see that now |
| 21:02.10 | SuN | NZ is the new utopia? |
| 21:02.13 | emdete | CVirus: so how do those companies survive? |
| 21:02.27 | CVirus | emdete: most probably they're affiliated with the government |
| 21:02.37 | CVirus | zash: you study in sweden ? |
| 21:02.57 | mjr | nz, not really... I've heard stuff from an irc acquaintance there |
| 21:03.01 | zash | CVirus: i live in sweden |
| 21:03.19 | CVirus | Basheri: by the way .. any police officer has the right to beat you, jail you, fooBar you |
| 21:03.22 | cb22[eee] | wants to go to sweden |
| 21:03.23 | CVirus | in Egypt |
| 21:03.29 | CVirus | zash: and you study too ? |
| 21:03.32 | SuN | Even NL is jumping the shark, I strongly feel the urge to relocate. |
| 21:03.42 | cb22[eee] | CVirus, sounds like the rest of the world, maybe they are just more open there :p |
| 21:03.43 | mjr | thinks south africa has some promise... |
| 21:03.44 | zash | CVirus: i did |
| 21:03.46 | SuN | But I don't know whereto. |
| 21:03.51 | Basheri | CVirus: shit.. I'm actually shocked |
| 21:03.52 | CVirus | SuN: sharm el shekh is awesome |
| 21:03.59 | cb22[eee] | waves to mjr |
| 21:04.09 | cb22[eee] | just bring your own broadband and you'll be fine |
| 21:04.16 | cb22[eee] | oh, and a 50cal rifle helps too |
| 21:04.26 | cb22[eee] | keep those pesky elephants off your property |
| 21:04.40 | doc|work | CVirus: sounds like the states only without gps :) |
| 21:04.46 | CVirus | no |
| 21:04.47 | mjr | well if I get a flat I don't suppose they can use the elevator? |
| 21:04.50 | CVirus | it's worse |
| 21:05.03 | doc|work | CVirus: it was a joke :/ |
| 21:05.22 | CVirus | ah ok |
| 21:05.33 | CVirus | http://tortureinegypt.net/english |
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| 21:05.48 | doc|work | CVirus: yep :/ |
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| 21:06.01 | CVirus | 2 days ago 3 kids died in a hospital owing to power outage |
| 21:06.19 | CVirus | human rights ? MY ASS |
| 21:06.24 | doc|work | sadly, things are getting worse, not better. We now have torture and detention without trial spreading, not rescinding around the world |
| 21:08.27 | CVirus | zash: I can't find any undergraduate bachelor programs in English |
| 21:08.31 | CVirus | Computer Science |
| 21:08.35 | CVirus | in sweden I mean |
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| 21:09.04 | CVirus | zash: what's the average monthly expenses for a student in Sweden ? |
| 21:09.26 | zash | CVirus: duno |
| 21:10.15 | zash | i havent studied in university or something |
| 21:10.26 | CVirus | I see |
| 21:11.17 | zash | 500 sek / term some dude says |
| 21:11.25 | zash | + books and coffe |
| 21:11.36 | CVirus | got that http://studyinsweden.se/ |
| 21:12.36 | zash | coffee! |
| 21:21.42 | mmontour_ | ~lart packagekit |
| 21:21.42 | apt | pours hot grits down the front of packagekit's pants |
| 21:23.19 | mmontour_ | it's still failing in do_patch() on the org.openmoko.dev branch. |
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| 21:33.15 | cb22[eee] | zash, i hear swedish chicks are really, really hot, can you confirm this scientific observation? |
| 21:34.11 | zash | cb22[eee]: of course. ;) |
| 21:34.30 | zash | is that not a scientific fact already? |
| 21:34.44 | Vegar | cb22[eee]: I can confirm that if you remove one "really" |
| 21:34.54 | cb22[eee] | zash, of course, just multiple references are nice :) |
| 21:36.03 | cb22[eee] | wonders what 'marketing' freerunner stats would be. ie talk time, but with everything off, cpu in slow mode, no audio, and right next to a base station |
| 21:36.28 | SpeedEvil | why cpu on? |
| 21:36.36 | cb22[eee] | SpeedEvil, can it be totally off? |
| 21:36.56 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it - when on a call - it can in principle be suspended |
| 21:37.07 | doc|work | from engadget about the iphone: "# It's tri-band 3G, as we reported the other day. This same phone will ship worldwide." |
| 21:37.12 | doc|work | how does that work? |
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| 21:37.29 | cb22[eee] | doc|work, 3g bands are different to gsm bands |
| 21:37.34 | cb22[eee] | (afaik) |
| 21:38.11 | doc|work | cb22[eee]: ah, ok, thanks |
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| 21:39.41 | cb22[eee] | wonders how much power the glamo uses |
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| 21:40.00 | cb22[eee] | think it is more efficent to do video decoding in the glamo then the cpu? |
| 21:40.24 | cb22[eee] | s/efficent/power efficent/ |
| 21:40.51 | mjr | a priori: yes |
| 21:41.56 | cb22[eee] | to save other people the trouble of googling: based on hypothesis |
| 21:42.11 | cb22[eee] | mjr, you and your big words :) |
| 21:42.30 | doc|work | hands cb22[eee] a cookie |
| 21:42.36 | doc|work | thanks, was about to do just that |
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| 22:00.31 | cb22[eee] | hmm, how quick is the 'transition' from vga to qvga? |
| 22:00.38 | cb22[eee] | is it like a normal computer where the screen goes black, and then comes back on, or just it just swtch instantly? |
| 22:01.54 | doc|work | I really hope we don't go back to qvga for all devices, that'd be a step backwards, we should be moving forwards, i.e. faster processor :/ |
| 22:02.03 | cb22[eee] | yeah, i agree |
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| 22:02.22 | cb22[eee] | you can drive a VGA screen at QVGA, but you cant drive a QVGA screen at VGA |
| 22:02.27 | doc|work | high dpi is the way monitor tech should be going, crisper test |
| 22:02.39 | doc|work | *text |
| 22:02.49 | cb22[eee] | quite scary when i think my eee screen is 800x480 |
| 22:02.58 | cb22[eee] | and the neo / freerunner is 640x480 |
| 22:03.02 | zash | cb22[eee]: 7"? |
| 22:03.07 | cb22[eee] | yep |
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| 22:03.27 | cb22[eee] | checks what the smallest readable font size is |
| 22:03.28 | zash | and the fr screen is 2.something |
| 22:03.38 | cb22[eee] | 2.8 i think? |
| 22:03.44 | doc|work | cb22[eee]: yeah, I have a 4.3inch 800x480 on my n800 |
| 22:03.51 | zash | wants the ultimate formula for screensize, resolution and distance |
| 22:04.08 | doc|work | zash: 1680x1050 on 3.5inches :) |
| 22:04.16 | cb22[eee] | 22 inch @ 16000 x 10000 |
| 22:04.23 | doc|work | hah |
| 22:04.29 | zash | inf" at inf x inf |
| 22:04.30 | cb22[eee] | that would rock :) |
| 22:05.23 | doc|work | zash: I believe they call that "life", a bit too expensive for my tastes but I hear the porn is great |
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| 22:35.26 | feydreva | hello |
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| 22:44.52 | pjz | wow a full mokomakefile build takes a looong time |
| 22:45.04 | LionKMP | if ever succeeds :-) |
| 22:45.10 | mwester | and lotsa disk space. |
| 22:45.27 | wurp2 | LionKMP: Does it ever succeed? |
| 22:45.32 | LionKMP | it fails at package 1050 for me. init-tools-cross I think. it misses -lc |
| 22:45.43 | wurp2 | LionKMP: Yeah, I've never succeded with it. |
| 22:45.46 | LionKMP | any ideas are welcome :) |
| 22:45.52 | wurp2 | Use the toolchain |
| 22:45.55 | wurp2 | Or give up. |
| 22:46.18 | mwester | Works fine here... Fedora 6, 7, and 8 |
| 22:46.39 | mwester | (32-bit, I have no need for 64-bit) |
| 22:47.01 | LionKMP | hm, I have x86_64(mandriva) |
| 22:47.07 | mwester | wurp2: what distro do you run? |
| 22:48.05 | LionKMP | can I easily e.g. change calculator and install into the qemu with "toolchain"? |
| 22:48.08 | wurp2 | mwester: I tried Ubuntu (Gibbon) and debian |
| 22:48.22 | wurp2 | LionKMP: Hmm, I think so |
| 22:48.50 | LionKMP | I built that sample-application2 or what comes with "toolchain" download. but that's all. |
| 22:49.53 | wurp2 | I haven't actually tried the toolchain at all |
| 22:50.03 | LionKMP | then why would anyone want to build the whole distro? (other than core team?) due to the Wiki directions everyone tries to build the whole thing. |
| 22:50.08 | wurp2 | I do my neo dev in python, so far |
| 22:50.18 | LionKMP | when hacking a linux app, you never rebuild the whole distro :-D |
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| 22:53.13 | LionKMP | "You might have heard about OpenEmbedded, however as an application programmer, you should not be using OpenEmbedded." |
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| 22:53.35 | thomasg | LionKMP, would be great if it was true |
| 22:53.40 | LionKMP | I wonder if ones trying "make openmoko-devel-image" understand that they are actually doing that. |
| 22:53.51 | LionKMP | isnt it? it's in the wiki : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain :-) |
| 22:53.57 | thomasg | the fact is: the toolchain is completely useless |
| 22:54.03 | LionKMP | aww |
| 22:54.12 | LionKMP | :) |
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| 22:54.22 | wurp2 | thomasg: Really? |
| 22:54.31 | wurp2 | Why so? Does it not include all the libraries you need? |
| 22:54.32 | thomasg | well, at least in my opinion |
| 22:54.38 | thomasg | correct |
| 22:54.43 | wurp2 | :-( |
| 22:54.54 | wurp2 | You killed my smiley. |
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| 22:55.12 | thomasg | he deserved to die |
| 22:55.30 | SpeedEvil | ponders alternative backlights. |
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| 22:55.39 | LionKMP | thomasg: do you have any idea why all my openembedded tries fail on -lc missing? libc missing? (on task 105x init-tools-cross |
| 22:55.53 | thomasg | imho OE is not _that_ bad. well, it's pita sometimes, but it's still possible without a big problem to get your programs to build |
| 22:55.56 | LionKMP | task 1050 of 4600 or so. |
| 22:56.10 | wurp2 | thomasg: I tried > 12 times to build, with no success |
| 22:56.12 | thomasg | LionKMP, paste the log please |
| 22:56.23 | SpeedEvil | 'He had been eight years upon a project for extracting sunbeams out of cucumbers, which were to be put in vials hermetically sealed, and let out to warm the air in raw inclement summers. -- Jonathan Swift, "Gulliver's Travels" (1726)' |
| 22:56.30 | thomasg | sometimes it helps to kill the tmp-dir of OE |
| 22:56.44 | wurp2 | I think it's a matter of lucking into a distro that has the right versions of the tools, and lucking into a time of pulling a snapshot when it actually builds |
| 22:57.04 | thomasg | the problem with OE at moment is, that OM uses the dev tree |
| 22:57.20 | thomasg | switching over to a stable tree would probably solve most the problems |
| 22:57.47 | wurp2 | And of course the other question is... what's the point of working with any OM app when we don't know which ones will live into the new release? |
| 22:58.03 | cb22[e51] | Stable as in debian stable or just not bleeding edge? |
| 22:58.19 | wurp2 | cb22[e51]: just not bleeding edge |
| 22:58.35 | thomasg | stable as in gentoo I'd say :) |
| 22:58.39 | wurp2 | cb22[e51]: There has never been a version of OM that would come close to the debian definition of stable |
| 22:59.00 | thomasg | well, it's source based, not really comparable |
| 22:59.13 | wurp2 | debian stable is built from source ;-) |
| 22:59.22 | LionKMP | http://pastebin.com/m68e37990 |
| 22:59.32 | thomasg | the problem is, that there are many many changes all the time and some of them causing problems. a stable tree would eliminate that, because there would be > 90% less changes |
| 22:59.43 | wurp2 | oh, I agree |
| 22:59.47 | thomasg | wurp2, of course it is - but you don't build it yourself |
| 22:59.53 | wurp2 | but you really need something automated for that |
| 23:00.05 | mwester | It is true that app developers do not every build the host distro in order to change an app -- but the problem with openmoko is that the host distro is changing daily. Until the host distro stabilizes, the toolchain will constantly be out of date. |
| 23:00.15 | wurp2 | which is why I kicked up that thread about continuous integration and automatically labelling versions that build & versions that pass tests |
| 23:00.30 | wurp2 | but it is obvious that's not gonna happen unless one of us in the community goes and does it |
| 23:00.45 | wurp2 | and I dunno where the correct code is any more - 2007.2 seems dead |
| 23:00.56 | thomasg | well, the toolchain might be good enough to get your own tiny gtk apps built |
| 23:00.58 | thomasg | but that's it |
| 23:00.59 | mwester | I hope (wish?) that's not the case. |
| 23:01.05 | cb22[e51] | Its in the mysterious asu |
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| 23:01.09 | mwester | 2007.2 worked better than the ASU stuff does now. |
| 23:01.12 | thomasg | for every _real_ programm you can't use the toolchain |
| 23:01.32 | thomasg | mwester, I'm sure it will get better |
| 23:01.38 | mwester | ASU? |
| 23:01.42 | thomasg | yeah |
| 23:01.44 | mwester | For the gta02, yes. |
| 23:01.46 | LionKMP | does the OE build choose specific versions of stuff, or current SVN? |
| 23:01.51 | thomasg | even for gta01 |
| 23:01.52 | cb22[e51] | What would be nice is something like a tinder box |
| 23:01.53 | mwester | I fear for the GTA01. |
| 23:02.47 | wurp2 | well, worst case we go to one of the alternate stacks |
| 23:02.49 | LionKMP | thomasg: have you seen my -lc pastebin error meanwhile? :) http://pastebin.com/m68e37990 |
| 23:02.52 | mwester | I know many people *wish* for it to work with the ASU, but unless that is a design goal for the ASU it will take little for an OM-driven change to make it nearly impossible. For example, size is the current bugaboo. |
| 23:02.57 | wurp2 | Zad or something, or we fork 2007.2 |
| 23:03.04 | mwester | I'm up for Zad. |
| 23:03.15 | thomasg | LionKMP, oh, sry, was busy discussing :) |
| 23:03.16 | wurp2 | I've been thinking a lot about Zad |
| 23:03.18 | thomasg | I'll take a look now |
| 23:03.42 | cb22[e51] | Cant you just run off sd? |
| 23:03.44 | wurp2 | The idea of a dbus interface where every argument list is a map turned me off, though :-( |
| 23:04.01 | LionKMP | thomasg: this is target machine x86, but I get the same if I try the om-gta02 (I have another dir for that build). |
| 23:04.21 | LionKMP | Wiki lists so many ways to build, I try each :-p |
| 23:04.51 | wurp2 | well, today has been almost a total waste at work |
| 23:05.01 | wurp2 | I guess I should go waste some time at home |
| 23:05.18 | cb22[e51] | Thats the spirit! |
| 23:05.27 | thomasg | LionKMP, can you try rebuilding glibc? I think that is the problem |
| 23:06.11 | LionKMP | how? (this is in a MokoMakefile environment). (I can try the OE mtn evironment too if that you know better) |
| 23:06.19 | mwester | cb22[e51]: Yep. Assuming that there was an easy way to create that image, and that everyone had a working "boot from sd" env set, and that the kernel worked after resuming when the rootfs is on SD... |
| 23:06.27 | mwester | The last problem is a bit of a bummer. |
| 23:06.54 | thomasg | don't know - maybe there is make rebuild or so in the makefile :) |
| 23:07.04 | mmontour_ | LionKMP: MokoMakefile is just a wrapper on top of OE - you can manually use bitbake commands if you first 'cd /build ; . ../setup-env' |
| 23:07.09 | thomasg | and for bitbake it should be bitbake -c rebuild glibc or so |
| 23:07.14 | cb22[e51] | Ah, i've had that one before on a totally different device |
| 23:07.40 | mmontour_ | (typo in the above command, but you can probably figure it out) |
| 23:08.24 | LionKMP | removing /home/lion/coding/openmoko/moko/build/tmp/work/i486-angstrom-linux/glibc-2.6.1-r4 ... rebuilding in progress I think) |
| 23:08.43 | thomasg | LionKMP, if you're running into problems like this it mostly worked for me do wait some time, do an mtn update, then rebuild - if it still doesn't work deleting the tmp-files might help |
| 23:08.57 | thomasg | but I always used plain OE/BB, never the makefile |
| 23:09.15 | LionKMP | hehe, deleting the tmp files will mean waiting another 2-3 hours to see the error :D |
| 23:09.25 | thomasg | hehe |
| 23:09.44 | thomasg | yeah, one of OEs features is to eat time |
| 23:09.54 | LionKMP | are you guys sure it"s glibc to rebuild, not glibc-cross? |
| 23:09.56 | thomasg | praised be the quadcore :) |
| 23:10.07 | doc|work | so, now that we're in production, what' |
| 23:10.11 | doc|work | 's the eta? |
| 23:10.18 | doc|work | 1 month? |
| 23:10.20 | cb22[e51] | All hail octo core :) |
| 23:10.26 | doc|work | all steal octo core |
| 23:10.29 | thomasg | I'm pretty sure it's glibc, because it fails to build one native app for your x86_64 arch |
| 23:10.34 | doc|work | steals cb22[e51]'s octo core |
| 23:10.49 | cb22[e51] | Boo :( |
| 23:11.00 | doc|work | :) |
| 23:11.11 | mwester | priced out a dual-CPU motherboard, with 2 quad-core xeons. And decided he would pay the mortgage instead. |
| 23:11.24 | cb22[e51] | I hope its out before the 13th of july |
| 23:11.24 | LionKMP | doesn't "-cross" in module-init-tools-cross (failing) mean it's a cross app? |
| 23:12.14 | cb22[e51] | mwester: im getting one with a 9800gx2 for only 1400 dollars |
| 23:12.41 | thomasg | LionKMP, seems so, but it still looks like it's failing at using native apps there |
| 23:13.09 | LionKMP | ok. it's building the libc, will see soon. |
| 23:13.16 | thomasg | so, it's 1 AM here, time to get some sleep before I have to get up at 6.30 AM |
| 23:13.24 | thomasg | n8 ppl |
| 23:13.25 | LionKMP | do you think this Xephyr thing with MACHINE=x86 will work? |
| 23:13.25 | cb22[e51] | Thats with 8gb of ram, power supply and case |
| 23:13.38 | LionKMP | oh, here too. :) thank you, nite! |
| 23:14.09 | kdean06 | Anyone here have an EeePC? |
| 23:14.23 | cb22[e51] | I do |
| 23:14.44 | kdean06 | cb22[e51], I'm evaluating getting a 900 for my wife. Got any input on it? Like it, dislike it? |
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| 23:15.22 | cb22[e51] | Well i have a 701, but im really happy with it |
| 23:15.41 | doc|work | speaking of which, what's the deal with these atoms? do they consume that much more power than equivalent via chips? |
| 23:15.45 | cb22[e51] | After a week or so, you get quite used to the keyboard |
| 23:16.42 | kdean06 | The tiny factor would be good for my wife. She mainly wants something she can put in her lap in true laptop fashion without generating a ton of heat. What's battery life like for you, and heat? |
| 23:17.35 | cb22[e51] | Mine runs quite cold, i have to start compiling things before the fan even starts |
| 23:17.57 | cb22[e51] | And i get roughly 3 hours when using it |
| 23:19.27 | kdean06 | Final question - speed. She's currently got an AMD Sempron 2800+ with 768 MB of RAM, though she's not too concerned with the speed of it. In real word use case, how well does it perform for you? |
| 23:21.29 | cb22[e51] | Well im running netbsd and e17 on it at stock cpu speed with 2gb of ram, and it runs well. It can play pretty much any video with no effort and firefox is totally fine up until 10 tabs loading at the same time or so |
| 23:22.12 | kdean06 | Excelllent. Thanks a ton. |
| 23:23.15 | cb22[e51] | No problem, the 900 also run at a higher speed (900mhz vs 633 or so) so it should be faster too |
| 23:24.49 | kdean06 | Yeah, speed isn't so much of an issue for her. Firefox might load slowly, but once loaded it's pretty decent on anything it'll run on. |
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| 23:25.20 | kdean06 | I'd just connect the printer the the fileserver and give her that. I think it'll work out well. |
| 23:27.23 | LionKMP | why does bitbake glibc build glibc 10 or even more times? |
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| 23:37.53 | LionKMP | mmontour: libc rebuild finished, but continuing the build fails with the same "cannot find -lc" message on module-init-tools-cross. |
| 23:38.06 | LionKMP | I'll try tomorrow again, it's 1:30 here, good night all! Thanks! |
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| 23:43.03 | Niacin | anyone here know how gdb handles bkpt instructions for software break points on arm? i wrote my own exception handler for arm |
| 23:43.27 | Niacin | and i'm trying to figure out what happens after the exception handler is called... how does it execute the original instr and replace the bkpt? |
