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| 04:52.29 | gbarta | Hi Everyone, quick question: I'm trying to install gllin on my GTA01(bv4) Using an April OM snapshot with latest updates (using opkg update/upgrade). I get a "Segmentation fault" when I try to install any of my local ipkg files. Anyone else see anything like this? |
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| 06:52.35 | ccfly | good morning :) |
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| 06:58.21 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:06.18 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r90da2dd57018 10/odeviced/src/helpers.vala: add read_integer and read_string helpers |
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| 08:06.19 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * rfc93ad16418e 10/odeviced/src/helpers.vala: simple fix to the arguments to the scanf |
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| 10:57.56 | kristian-m | hey haakeyar :-) |
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| 11:36.39 | haakeyar | hey kristian-m (sorry that I didn't reply before now) |
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| 11:57.36 | haakeyar | kristian-m: I have to leave. Feel free to e-mail me if there is anything special. :-) (I haven't done anything with pgp and svn write access and that - I've been quite busy lately) |
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| 12:03.04 | BBishop | after freerunner is out.. will they continue working on the hardware or will they start software development to get to a stable and usable ( end -user ) state ? |
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| 12:08.12 | zedstar_ | i wud imagine both |
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| 12:14.01 | BBishop | but one should be more accentuated .. -> the software . |
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| 12:17.45 | morricone | BBishop, the developers usually are not the same. and when they reuse components they can probably reuse the drivers, too |
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| 12:19.43 | BBishop | well .. I wouldn't want to change the freerunner in the next year or two ... |
| 12:23.33 | zedstar_ | two years is a long time in mobile |
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| 13:00.18 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * rc0983e602a95 10/odeviced/plugins/ (9 files in 3 dirs): plugin confs have .plugin extension now |
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| 14:30.25 | happosade | Hello |
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| 14:31.20 | happosade | Can you call easily whit Freerunner |
| 14:31.28 | happosade | or is it playing whit terminal |
| 14:31.36 | dcordes | happosade: easily |
| 14:31.59 | happosade | :) |
| 14:32.13 | happosade | Same whit SMS? |
| 14:32.18 | dcordes | I think so |
| 14:32.38 | happosade | 1. gen Neo you have tosend sms whit terminal..? |
| 14:33.02 | dcordes | happosade: don't know I don't have either :) |
| 14:33.29 | happosade | Just rumots :P |
| 14:33.42 | happosade | now waiting freerunner :) |
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| 14:34.53 | mjr | this may be surprising, but the SMS UI is not a hardware feature |
| 14:35.28 | happosade | Oh My GOD! |
| 14:35.46 | happosade | (Have there any application ready installed for that) |
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| 14:39.47 | spaceninja | so the moko is a gsm and not a 3g phone? |
| 14:40.09 | Agrajag- | right |
| 14:40.46 | happosade | 2.5g |
| 14:40.46 | spaceninja | is there a 3g phone with ssh? |
| 14:40.49 | happosade | GPRS |
| 14:41.00 | happosade | spaceninja: from nokia there is |
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| 14:44.06 | happosade | how long have to wait for freefunner |
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| 15:02.43 | spaceninja | happosade: what's freerunner? |
| 15:04.24 | mjr | it's the phone in manufacturing now |
| 15:04.36 | spaceninja | the neo1973? |
| 15:04.39 | spaceninja | or a new one? |
| 15:04.43 | mjr | no, that's the earlier version |
| 15:04.59 | spaceninja | how many will they produce? |
| 15:05.32 | mjr | presumably as much as we will buy |
| 15:06.12 | spaceninja | so openmoko is buying them, and then selling them? |
| 15:06.39 | happosade | no.. |
| 15:06.51 | spaceninja | or is neo installing openmoko from the beginning? |
| 15:07.02 | spaceninja | is openmoko the os? |
| 15:07.04 | spaceninja | :) |
| 15:07.07 | happosade | something like thät |
| 15:07.07 | mjr | yes |
| 15:07.09 | happosade | that |
| 15:07.14 | happosade | yes |
| 15:07.53 | spaceninja | is the circuit schematics "open source" |
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| 15:07.57 | spaceninja | ? |
| 15:08.00 | mjr | no |
| 15:08.05 | spaceninja | why not? |
| 15:08.30 | happosade | mjr: katoinki, että tuttu nick... |
| 15:10.14 | spaceninja | so if I want this phone, I should go to the phone dealer and ask for a neo freerunner? |
| 15:10.28 | happosade | yes |
| 15:10.40 | mjr | they're not yet out though |
| 15:10.51 | happosade | or go to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales |
| 15:11.38 | mjr | and will be mostly available through mail order |
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| 15:14.14 | spaceninja | how do I sign up= |
| 15:14.53 | abraxa_ | spaceninja: I'd recommend you read the wiki for a bit |
| 15:17.15 | mjr | probably best; here's the summary: it won't be a consumer phone for a while |
| 15:18.12 | CVirus | Aren't we getting the crash tests videos ? |
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| 15:27.19 | spaceninja | the absurd part is that I can get a mini laptop with the same ammount of money |
| 15:27.23 | spaceninja | oh well |
| 15:28.11 | abraxa_ | ...try to do GSM calls with it. |
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| 15:31.50 | spaceninja | it's just some extra circuit hardware and software, not some fusion reactor built in it. |
| 15:32.53 | spaceninja | or it could be that you you need to pay for the gsm license to use gsm |
| 15:34.03 | mjr | size and battery life cost |
| 15:34.09 | mjr | small size, that is |
| 15:34.20 | mjr | relative to a laptop, anyway |
| 15:34.54 | CVirus | boot time maybe ? |
| 15:35.06 | CVirus | maybe not |
| 15:35.10 | CVirus | my laptop boots in less than 30 seconds |
| 15:35.28 | spaceninja | I'm thinking about buying a ultraportable laptop |
| 15:36.04 | CVirus | I think it's fun to have the FreeRunner in my pocket while at the same time running the wifi chip in monitor mode and nmap collecting unencrypted passwords at my university |
| 15:36.16 | CVirus | :-p |
| 15:36.30 | mjr | no monitor mode |
| 15:36.35 | CVirus | too bad |
| 15:36.44 | CVirus | why not though ? |
| 15:37.11 | CVirus | I started learning C recently ... maybe I'll have a chance to patch the driver to support monitor mode |
| 15:37.12 | mjr | the (proprietary) hardmac firmware doesn't do it. AP mode neither. |
| 15:37.19 | CVirus | doh |
| 15:37.29 | CVirus | fuck proprietary firmware |
| 15:38.02 | mjr | Yeah it's a bugger. Too bad it was about the only choice where even the host-side driver was free |
| 15:38.05 | CVirus | Why didn't you guys follow Stallman's advise on the firmware part ! |
| 15:38.51 | CVirus | ask the manufacture for a small-limited firmware that is almost useless ... while doing everything else in software(driver) |
| 15:38.52 | mjr | I suspect it had much to do with the above |
| 15:38.53 | mwester | smacks CVirus over the head with a truckload of pragmatism. |
| 15:39.29 | CVirus | my vocabulary sucks .. let me check what that is |
| 15:39.36 | mjr | also being a gsm phone, the line has already been drawn that prop. firmware is to be included anyway... |
| 15:39.42 | balrog-k1n | actually this was Stallman's advice to use a chip that runs everything on the target |
| 15:39.55 | balrog-k1n | and have no proprietary driver in linux |
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| 15:45.17 | balrog-k1n | uploads his mplayer tree for freerunner |
| 15:47.06 | happosade | how long is freerunner batterylife? |
| 15:51.03 | spaceninja | heard it's 4-6 hours with linux |
| 15:51.08 | spaceninja | maybe more |
| 15:51.47 | spaceninja | nah, not more |
| 15:52.07 | CVirus | 4-6 without suspend |
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| 15:53.25 | spaceninja | but it doesn't have a dvd reader |
| 15:53.30 | spaceninja | .... |
| 15:53.43 | mjr | no worries, hook an usb dvd drive :] |
| 15:54.24 | mjr | (and see how many seconds the battery will last then) |
| 15:54.32 | zash | guesses 12 |
| 15:54.36 | CVirus | hehe |
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| 15:55.01 | zash | dont usb dvd-drives need shitloads of power |
| 15:55.18 | mjr | well, they generally would need external power for at least burning |
| 15:55.33 | zash | unless you have a hi-power usb port |
| 15:55.45 | mjr | or other nonstandard arrangement, yes |
| 15:55.56 | zash | like mba.. |
| 15:56.07 | zash | apple seems to like nonstandard |
| 15:56.08 | mjr | still, at least some operate fine for reading with usb power |
| 15:56.31 | mjr | (well, my personal experience is with reading CDs, to be exact) |
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| 16:05.37 | spaceninja | but 8 gb flash space? |
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| 16:07.24 | zash | why is there no 2.5" bt harddrives? |
| 16:07.35 | zash | imagine the ASUM! |
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| 16:10.09 | SuN | Imagine sub-100KB/s speeds :D |
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| 16:10.56 | zash | and you need how much to stream mp3? |
| 16:11.35 | zash | lt 40 KB/s |
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| 17:00.14 | eliasp | hi |
| 17:02.44 | eliasp | as i've just read on the openmoko wiki, the GTA02 will be probably shipped soon... does anyone have experience, how long it'll usually take from production start until you can actually use the phone (manufacturing, pre-ordering, payment, shipping...)... broke my current phone today and don't know, whether i should by another proprietary crappy phone or just wait, until i can use the GTA02 |
| 17:03.00 | eliasp | s/by/buy/ |
| 17:03.27 | zash | eliasp: think a month or something |
| 17:03.40 | abraxa_ | eliasp: Just to make sure: "having" a GTA02 is different than "using" it as the software is not yet ready |
| 17:04.34 | eliasp | ok, so it will probably not yet ready for daily use... how is the current state of the software, does just basic phone-call stuff work.. that's all i _really_ need... |
| 17:05.11 | mjr | that mostly works okay |
| 17:05.16 | zash | mostly |
| 17:05.16 | ccfly | well daily image for this day is terrible on GTA01 |
| 17:05.20 | ccfly | segfaults all the time |
| 17:05.24 | ccfly | but otherwise |
| 17:05.27 | ccfly | shows promise |
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| 17:05.30 | abraxa_ | ccfly: Well, GTA01 is a different bag of beans |
| 17:05.39 | ccfly | also applications taken from qtopisa should be quite mature |
| 17:05.42 | ccfly | true |
| 17:05.49 | eliasp | ok, but GTA02 should work (as long as i just do phone calls) |
| 17:06.06 | ccfly | calls, SMS and address book should work |
| 17:06.10 | ccfly | I guess |
| 17:06.14 | eliasp | ok, nice.. thats all i need in the start.. everything else may be buggy ... |
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| 17:06.24 | mjr | ccfly, well. Hearing from the OM guy who's been jacking it up to run on X, not overly mature... But apparently they work to some extent. |
| 17:06.35 | zash | would be happy to have ssh |
| 17:06.36 | mwester | ccfly: Yes and no -- qtopia is mature, but the version being used is Qtopia for X -- and I've heard that's really only "beta" quality at best. |
| 17:06.44 | eliasp | so i'll order one as soon as possible... have to use the current phone (crappy Nokia E65) blindly, as the display is broken ;( |
| 17:06.56 | ccfly | also I'm not quite sure how qt and EFL are put together |
| 17:07.02 | mjr | mwester, also their gsm handling seems to be ... lacking |
| 17:07.06 | mwester | eliasp: makes it hard to read your text messages, I suppose. :D |
| 17:07.07 | ccfly | where does qtopisa apps end and EFL begin |
| 17:07.17 | ccfly | qtopia |
| 17:07.22 | mjr | ccfly, where they want to? |
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| 17:07.53 | eliasp | mwester: yeah ;) and calling people from the address book isn't that easy this way ;) |
| 17:08.22 | ccfly | I was reffering to OM shell, which parts are Qtopisa and which ones are EFL |
| 17:08.31 | ccfly | just curious |
| 17:08.38 | eliasp | there's a mode for blind people, where the phone uses a speech-synthesizer for the menu, but without a display, i won't be able to enable the synthesizer ,) |
| 17:08.40 | ccfly | please ignore terrible typos |
| 17:09.01 | mwester | I've dropped back to the standard image (non-ASU) for GTA01 at this point -- it was actually pretty much working before this change-of-plan was sprung on us all. |
| 17:09.28 | zash | eliasp: cant you use numbers to navigate? or have nokia stoped with that? |
| 17:09.36 | ccfly | well it's not a bad plan, it's just that timing is a bit unfortunate |
| 17:09.37 | eliasp | ok, but in the end.. this all sounds good... GTA02 will be ready for use in ~4-5 weeks... until then, i'll take another old phone ... thank you for information guys |
| 17:10.07 | eliasp | zash: don't know.. will read the manual, but the new software is really crappy at all (Symbian S60 3rd Gen) |
| 17:10.47 | eliasp | zash: navigation is like going through a maze |
| 17:11.00 | zash | eliasp: i have not used newer nokias |
| 17:11.13 | zash | eliasp: but my 3310 is the best |
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| 17:11.14 | mjr | eliasp, see how to turn on the synth step-by-step with another similar phone? |
| 17:12.05 | eliasp | zash: i'll try by following the manual... don't know of anyone else using a E65 or similar one.. |
| 17:13.03 | eliasp | zash: wouldn't suggest to use one of the newer nokias than the generation of 3310 etc. at all.. never used such an ugly phone software... completely buggy (~3-4 crashes a day are common) |
| 17:14.34 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r75e38191ba48 10/odeviced/src/ (plugin.vala service.vala): changed some properties around |
| 17:14.35 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r4a803146995e 10/odeviced/src/service.vala: fix indentation |
| 17:14.36 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r1fe0a0446ccf 10/odeviced/src/plugin.vala: fixly incorrectly constructed plugin.conf |
| 17:14.37 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r381474069254 10/odeviced/src/helpers.vala: return plugin.conf |
| 17:15.18 | zash | eliasp: i have seen some newer nokia in class with 3310, ( like 11* or something) but it did not have navigate-by-numbers. the crapness |
| 17:15.28 | eliasp | the best way to know about the availability of the pre-ordering website is signing up the announce-list, right? |
| 17:15.45 | zash | eliasp: yes |
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| 17:16.12 | eliasp | ok, thx... going to make my E65 usable now with the synthesizer.. thanks so far guys... |
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| 18:52.15 | LionKMP | Hi, I flashed a "recommended latest" image to qemu, is there a terminal in it? where? |
| 18:53.33 | LionKMP | found. ignore please :) |
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| 19:32.47 | Crashbit | Hiz, Since I install irssi in my neo1973? |
| 19:34.03 | zash | ssh + screen + irssi = WIN |
| 19:34.45 | scout | zash: ;) |
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| 19:55.06 | zash | moist |
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| 20:08.06 | doc|home | I never saw the obsession with her myself, there are far better looking women walking down streets around the world every day |
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| 20:25.58 | gcb77 | Hi All. I get a "Segmentation fault" when I try to install the gllin ipkg on a Neo1973 (GTA01Bv4) running a recent om (and qtopia) images. Anyone else see this? |
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| 20:26.50 | abraxa_ | gcb77: Can you run it through strace? |
| 20:27.07 | SpeedEvil | gcb77: how recent a gllin package? |
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| 20:27.16 | mwester | old packages barf, new packages are ok. |
| 20:27.20 | SpeedEvil | It's not the first - the binary only version? |
| 20:27.44 | gcb77 | SpeedEvil: gllin_1.0+r350-r0_fic-gta01.ipk |
| 20:27.55 | SpeedEvil | ssh phone |
| 20:27.56 | mwester | What - we have source now? |
| 20:27.58 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 20:28.02 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 20:28.16 | SpeedEvil | mwester: I mean the only binary version. |
| 20:28.29 | SpeedEvil | mwester: the one with only the gllin binary hasn't worked for a while |
| 20:28.52 | mwester | Didn't know we had multiple... I've the same one gcb77 has. |
| 20:29.06 | mwester | But opkg install barfs on installing other packages too. |
| 20:29.59 | gcb77 | mwester: yes, same here. all my local packages fail |
| 20:31.38 | mwester | Nothing useful from strace -- "write" is the last system call ("Installing gllin (blah) to root..."), then it just derefs a null pointer and dies. |
| 20:33.01 | SpeedEvil | You're not out of disk? (though that should not do that) |
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| 20:33.18 | abraxa_ | mwester: Mind filing a bug, adding thos as a CC if it doesn't get assigned to him? |
| 20:33.37 | kdean06 | Has anyone gotten TangoGPS (or another nav app) working on the Freerunner? |
| 20:33.39 | mwester | -noaction flag also barfs, so it's not even actually doing any installing when it pukes. |
| 20:33.50 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 20:34.01 | SpeedEvil | kdean06: oh - no |
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| 20:34.20 | gcb77 | SpeedEvil: Disk is kind of low for me, only 3.2 mb left |
| 20:34.38 | kdean06 | The Human Journey. Whomever's blog that is has. :P |
| 20:34.38 | SpeedEvil | kdean06: I've used the GPS - with cat - I can't think if GPSd is setup properly with the launchy script in tangogps why it might not work |
| 20:34.42 | kdean06 | I should have googled first. ;P |
| 20:35.38 | mwester | disk space isn't the problem; I was able to install "joe" from the feeds -- but when I copied the ipkg to the SD card and installed from there, it died. |
| 20:36.59 | SpeedEvil | 'works for me'. |
| 20:37.15 | SpeedEvil | (or did on the last install I did, which admittedly was a while back. |
| 20:37.35 | mwester | Yeah, it's a recent breakag |
| 20:37.37 | mwester | e |
| 20:38.28 | mwester | was gonna make some comment about how core apps need automated test suites before being committed, but then realized that *we* are the automated test suite. |
| 20:39.41 | kdean06 | Ouch. |
| 20:39.54 | gcb77 | I think my last known good install and update was 05-26. gllin worked then. we can try a few images from there on and see where it breaks. |
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| 20:44.48 | abraxa_ | balrog-kun: Nice work! Cheers! |
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| 20:51.11 | balrog-kun | :) |
| 20:51.17 | bkruse | ScaredyCat: hey |
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| 20:56.40 | josch | kudos to you from me too, balrog-kun ! :D |
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| 21:03.37 | woglinde | balrog-kun next think you write a directfb modul? |
| 21:03.40 | woglinde | *g* |
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| 21:11.59 | balrog-kun | woglinde: since there's nothing secret about glamo registers now, i'm sure there will be plenty of volunteers for that :) |
| 21:12.35 | mjr | hmm is there an infodump on glamo somewhere? |
| 21:12.38 | woglinde | balrog-kuhn I guess nope |
| 21:13.04 | mjr | on were you just referring to the current x drivers? |
| 21:13.22 | woglinde | but I have not the money for dok |
| 21:13.39 | mjr | still wants that mpeg4 decoding... |
| 21:13.54 | balrog-kun | mjr: there's x, there's the kernel and there's libglamo |
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| 21:19.24 | SpeedEvil | wants the RISC too. |
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| 21:25.31 | kuzgun | hi, I want to use openmoko with qemu and I did what the document says on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU |
| 21:26.36 | kuzgun | however during the boot process ( after a time ) OM prints error messages which state that no space left on the device |
| 21:27.29 | kuzgun | try to create/copy necessary files and every time prints no space left on device error |
| 21:27.46 | kuzgun | then no xserver starts and freezes |
| 21:29.09 | ccfly | good night |
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| 21:35.58 | DerHorst | Schlaaand |
| 21:36.00 | DerHorst | :D |
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| 22:08.58 | badcloud | anyone know if there is an openmoko update mailing list? |
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| 22:11.12 | badcloud | as much as I love the look of the neo freerunner, I'm getting a bit sick visiting the .com site every week, welll... day |
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| 22:14.04 | mwester | badcloud: See the topic. |
| 22:14.27 | badcloud | will do, thanks |
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| 22:23.58 | badcloud | this phone, my god this phone... how many of you tingle just thinking of what it will be capable of? |
| 22:28.34 | badcloud | I guess I'm the only one not tingling quietly then... |
| 22:28.43 | spydon | hehe |
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| 23:31.58 | wurp2|away | balrog-kun: Holy shit, major congratulations and gratitude! |
| 23:33.48 | wurp2|away | balrog-kun: raster had me believing that this basically wouldn't happen :-) which was hard to fathom since it seems a hw accelerated video api should be just a state engine initializing it then feeding it pre-formatted data |
| 23:34.03 | wurp2|away | synchronizing audio seems as if it could be a bit of a trick |
| 23:34.35 | wurp2|away | er, a hw accelerated video api should be such that the client is just a state engine blah blah blah |
| 23:34.52 | SpeedEvil | It gets more complex - a bit - if it's not fullscreen completely |
| 23:35.11 | wurp2|away | hmm, how so? |
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| 23:35.24 | wurp2|away | It seems to me you'd just tell the accelerator where to render output |
| 23:35.30 | wurp2|away | if the api is sane |
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| 23:36.24 | Elfir3 | hi |
| 23:36.34 | wurp2|away | hi |
| 23:37.22 | igor321 | is there a log for this channel? |
| 23:38.04 | wurp2|away | igor321: Look at the community portal page on wiki.openmoko.org |
| 23:38.12 | wurp2|away | it has linkies |
| 23:38.17 | igor321 | thanks |
| 23:38.50 | wurp2|away | yw |
| 23:40.07 | balrog-kun | wurp2|away: yep, it's not very complex, most of the complex parts are already done by mplayer anyway (finding and separating the video frames, aka demuxing) |
| 23:40.37 | balrog-kun | drawing OSD, synchronising |
| 23:41.25 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: so what's the status ATM? |
| 23:41.42 | wurp2|away | balrog-kun: So audio/video syncing is already working? |
| 23:42.06 | wurp2|away | balrog-kun: You didn't have to do anything special to account for a delay between when you feed a vid frame to the hw accel and when it actually renders? |
| 23:43.42 | wurp2|away | yeah, I figured demuxing would be handled in some (well, many) standard libraries out there |
| 23:43.43 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: it plays video fine, although a bit slower than i expected (but pending actual investigation as so far it was only getting it to work at all) |
| 23:43.59 | wurp2|away | I've done a little video programming, and I recall 2 or 3 libraries that did that |
| 23:44.08 | balrog-kun | wurp2|away: i don't see an issue in syncing (a bigger issue than in case of software video) |
| 23:44.29 | balrog-kun | i added a one frame delay in video i'm affraid to get a better throughput |
| 23:44.52 | wurp2|away | I wouldn't think one frame would be noticable for sync |
| 23:44.53 | balrog-kun | maybe there's a way around it, i geuss now the people who know about video stuff will be able to peek in |
| 23:45.27 | Elfir3 | just because i haven't see anything about selections when treeview like list of items (except select all / none in a tap & hold menu), so what about a selection mode runned by the same way |
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| 23:46.39 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.16 | wurp2|away | SpeedEvil: Good point. The audio/video work I did was realtime |
| 23:47.30 | wurp2|away | so syncing is a much bigger issue, since lag changes over time |
| 23:47.58 | wurp2|away | although... really if cpu doesn't get divvied out evenly, I would expect such issues in playback too |
| 23:48.17 | igor321 | balrog-kun: i just read the log, you are my hero, carry on :) |
| 23:48.31 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: what's 'top' like when playing video? |
| 23:50.37 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: show's 0% CPU usage (mplayer near the bottom of the list) when playing only video |
| 23:51.02 | balrog-kun | i was surprised because it still does parse all the data and all |
| 23:51.13 | igor321 | wow |
| 23:51.31 | wurp2|away | balrog-kun: I would think the parsing would be pretty lightweight |
| 23:51.37 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: Is GPU data transfer properly counted? |
| 23:51.53 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: in that it's PIO I mean. |
| 23:51.57 | wurp2|away | it's binary frames of known lengths, yes, not variable length multilevel text like xml |
| 23:52.14 | wurp2|away | gotta go, dinner time |
| 23:52.22 | wurp2|away | congrats again, balrog-kun, and thanks! |
| 23:52.27 | SpeedEvil | Anyay :) |
| 23:53.31 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: i don't know, it's a memcpy |
| 23:54.00 | balrog-kun | should be counted correctly |
| 23:54.21 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: Can the decoder simply do one avi, or could it in principle do multiple animations on screen? |
| 23:54.45 | SpeedEvil | I'm thinking of animated buttons and stuff |
| 23:55.44 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: it can do just one afaik, unless you use some veyr clever multiplexing |
| 23:56.00 | SpeedEvil | Oh well. |
| 23:56.04 | SpeedEvil | Just a random thought. |
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