| 00:01.34 | BryceLeo | hello all |
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| 00:10.39 | jamasi | one could write a simple bot saying "NO" if sb. writes a sentence which contains "shipping" and a questionmark. |
| 00:15.38 | neldoreth | when they start shipping???????????? :P |
| 00:15.56 | zash | invalid syntax |
| 00:16.11 | SpeedEvil | When the one ring is cast into the fires of mount duke nukem forever. |
| 00:17.54 | jamasi | you could pull a joke and tell people asking for the shipping that you rethougth the concept and now are waiting for gnu/hurd to reach v 1.0 |
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| 00:18.43 | zash | i heard duke nukem forever will run great on gnu/hurd |
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| 00:19.31 | jamasi | but only if you got an lebedev optimus keyboard attached |
| 00:19.46 | zash | optimus ULTIMATE!!! |
| 00:20.12 | zash | where every key is a full 300 dpi screen |
| 00:20.45 | jamasi | sure the only keyboard worthy of DN4Nevah |
| 00:23.10 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 00:23.13 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 00:23.42 | SpeedEvil | You could do cool things with a 2000DPI 20' screen. |
| 00:24.02 | zash | ' as in feet? |
| 00:24.12 | SpeedEvil | put an array of 1cm focal length 1cm dia lenses in front of it. |
| 00:24.23 | SpeedEvil | And you've got a pretty good virtual sky. |
| 00:24.45 | SpeedEvil | Apparently at infinity. |
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| 00:28.24 | theocrite | is disapointed by the fact that there is no camera in the neo freerunner |
| 00:28.38 | jamasi | I'm happy about it |
| 00:28.59 | zash | backside with built in bt webcam! |
| 00:29.11 | jamasi | you can plug an usb-cam onto your freerunner, if you absolutely need one. |
| 00:29.20 | BryceLeo | seriousy what's teh big deal about a camera phone? |
| 00:29.26 | BryceLeo | the pics suck, and are totally pointless |
| 00:29.34 | SpeedEvil | BryceLeo: it's not only for that. |
| 00:29.55 | BryceLeo | the barcode scanning isn't nearly as good as it seems it is... |
| 00:30.01 | SpeedEvil | wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Camera |
| 00:30.05 | theocrite | jamasi: well i always though that camera in a cell phone was stupid. |
| 00:30.14 | theocrite | And that it was just a toy for old kids |
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| 00:30.44 | theocrite | but I saw that people with this always have a camera around and it's very useful |
| 00:30.44 | jamasi | right, a camera without good optics is just some kind of toy, but not a real cam. |
| 00:30.54 | SpeedEvil | jamasi: you're missing the point |
| 00:30.57 | BryceLeo | exactly jamasi |
| 00:31.01 | theocrite | like if you have a car crash or if you are robbed |
| 00:31.05 | SpeedEvil | jamasi: it's not to be a 'real camera' |
| 00:31.10 | theocrite | or even if you forgot a real camera |
| 00:31.22 | SpeedEvil | jamasi: there are many, many apps for which 640*480 is just fine. |
| 00:31.42 | SpeedEvil | The above list is just some. |
| 00:32.09 | jamasi | then you could create a "camera addon" to fit into the usb port of the freerunner and sell it for those who need/want one. |
| 00:32.21 | BryceLeo | i still see nothing compelling and worth the extra expense on that list... |
| 00:32.23 | SpeedEvil | No you can't - for a number of reasons. |
| 00:32.38 | SpeedEvil | BryceLeo: 1.3MP cameras are well under $10 |
| 00:33.05 | BryceLeo | in what quantity? |
| 00:33.08 | SpeedEvil | 1 |
| 00:33.12 | SpeedEvil | sparkfun.org |
| 00:33.25 | jamasi | besides not having a camera gives the freerunner more of a business touch. |
| 00:33.28 | SpeedEvil | However - not well under in that quantity. |
| 00:33.46 | SpeedEvil | Socketed cameras are also available. |
| 00:33.51 | BryceLeo | ok, but what size is the actual important parts, how easily coudl it be included on the pcb what are the power requirements |
| 00:34.02 | SpeedEvil | 6*6*4mm or so |
| 00:34.08 | jamasi | quite a lot of companies even prohibit cellphones with cameras on their property. |
| 00:34.10 | SpeedEvil | and negligable. |
| 00:34.24 | BryceLeo | and then you have to re-do alot of the pcb esign |
| 00:34.27 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 00:34.35 | SpeedEvil | It ould require a new PCB and case. |
| 00:34.50 | dcordes_ | mickey|zzZZzz: the error with the bread and butter did occur because of DISTRO = "angstrom-2008-1". With om it works |
| 00:34.54 | BryceLeo | the case can't afford to be much bigger |
| 00:35.16 | SpeedEvil | BryceLeo: doesn't need to be bigger - there are plenty of places the cam ould fit fine internally. |
| 00:35.26 | SpeedEvil | BryceLeo: does need a hole and a window though. |
| 00:35.32 | jamasi | I still think it would be good as an external part you could "clip-on" your freerunner. |
| 00:35.48 | SpeedEvil | jamasi: It's not - for a number of reasons. |
| 00:35.58 | SpeedEvil | jamasi: It's more expensive |
| 00:36.17 | SpeedEvil | jamasi: you need locating hardware on the outside of the phone, or for the cam to be truly huge. |
| 00:36.23 | BryceLeo | i'm sure there will be a phone that comes from the openmoko team with a camera... i just hope it isnt soon |
| 00:36.29 | BryceLeo | i want a solid owrking phone first |
| 00:36.38 | BryceLeo | i mean build on the current line is awesome |
| 00:36.48 | BryceLeo | i hope that the freerunner keeps this up |
| 00:36.53 | jamasi | SpeedEvil: you've got a display, so locationg is not a problem |
| 00:36.58 | SpeedEvil | The freerunner SoC has a camera interface. |
| 00:37.04 | SpeedEvil | jamasi: no - not that. |
| 00:37.18 | SpeedEvil | jamasi: there is nowhere for it to clip onto the phone. |
| 00:37.37 | SpeedEvil | jamasi: and you can't have a sticking out USB connector in a consumer device |
| 00:37.54 | SpeedEvil | Not to mention that USB is very slow. |
| 00:37.58 | SpeedEvil | As it's 1.1 |
| 00:38.20 | jamasi | enough for 1.3 M px non moving |
| 00:38.41 | zash | SpeedEvil: 90° miniusb-plug + raped webcam + ducttape! |
| 00:38.44 | SpeedEvil | jamasi: unfortunately only in bad quality with the normal webcam sets |
| 00:38.47 | summatusmentis | oh noes... not that anyone here cares, Verizon is buying Alltel :-/ |
| 00:39.01 | summatusmentis | but it's not gsm, so it doesn't affect OM |
| 00:39.06 | SpeedEvil | jamasi: I've gone into this in some detail for another project. |
| 00:39.10 | dcordes_ | SpeedEvil: you can't have it sticking out? Seems like you don't know the old siemens phones with camera module like the a65 :) |
| 00:39.29 | zash | DUCT TAPE |
| 00:39.32 | SpeedEvil | dcordes_: oh - you can have it sticking out. But you need some sort of attachment for it to connect to. |
| 00:39.48 | zash | SpeedEvil: DUCT TAPE I SAY! |
| 00:39.52 | jamasi | zash: yeah, that solves everything ;) |
| 00:39.57 | SpeedEvil | dcordes_: unless you're willing to live with a camera sticking straight out of the USB port |
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| 00:40.26 | SpeedEvil | I mean an actual useable camera that will not fall off the phone in use, or in putting it back into a case. |
| 00:40.43 | SpeedEvil | And does not mean you have to remove it to charge. |
| 00:40.46 | jamasi | SpeedEvil: you could do a custom connector and have a slim camera clip-on piggyback the freerunner. |
| 00:41.35 | SpeedEvil | jamasi: and make it unable to charge without removing the camera, and increase the depth by 10mm |
| 00:41.35 | dcordes_ | one could stick it to the backside of the freerunner |
| 00:41.39 | zash | http://www.bloganything.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/mobile-phone-with-camera.jpg |
| 00:41.44 | dcordes_ | there are very small usb cams |
| 00:42.12 | SpeedEvil | dcordes_: sure there are. However, the clip you attach it to the freerunner cannot be of zero depth. |
| 00:42.41 | dcordes_ | SpeedEvil: why would it need to be |
| 00:42.53 | dcordes_ | there are cornered connectors |
| 00:43.04 | SpeedEvil | dcordes_: which still stick out 10mm or more |
| 00:43.38 | zash | is there no unused internal usb ports? |
| 00:43.42 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 00:43.58 | SpeedEvil | And there is no convenient way to hack onto the back of them. |
| 00:44.03 | SpeedEvil | At least on GTA01 |
| 00:44.12 | dcordes_ | not necessarily |
| 00:44.30 | SpeedEvil | dcordes_: Show me a flush one then. |
| 00:44.32 | zash | but, is there any small bt cams? |
| 00:44.37 | SpeedEvil | Zanoi_: no |
| 00:45.11 | SpeedEvil | zas: |
| 00:45.11 | SpeedEvil | zash: that's one of my ongoing projects. |
| 00:45.11 | dcordes_ | you could simply solder of the connectors of the usb jack, put 4 cables |
| 00:45.11 | SpeedEvil | dcordes_: sure you can. |
| 00:45.11 | SpeedEvil | dcordes_: that's not remotely consumer though. |
| 00:45.17 | dcordes_ | or even put a switch |
| 00:45.23 | SpeedEvil | dcordes_: and it's an utter bastard to do, becasue of where it is. |
| 00:45.29 | dcordes_ | so you can switch between external and internal usb |
| 00:46.02 | SpeedEvil | No, you can't - practically. I've looked very carefully at ways to mod GTA01 for internal USB. |
| 00:46.29 | SpeedEvil | It's really only doable by someone skilled in soldering, with decent equipment. |
| 00:46.41 | SpeedEvil | And no, you can't get I2C or SPI cameras. |
| 00:46.58 | dcordes_ | if you really want a cam as a 'consumer' and don't want to render your freerunner unusable soldering around in it, you could simply have one very tiny usb camera with a mini connector |
| 00:47.06 | dcordes_ | and if you need it put it in |
| 00:47.06 | jamasi | a consumer-ready clip-on would possibly extend the dimensions of the phone by 10 mm in height and depth, but it could also integrat a bigger LiION pack or a cardreader. |
| 00:47.19 | SpeedEvil | jamasi: or a duck. |
| 00:47.23 | BryceLeo | expandable backs? that idea has beena round for a while |
| 00:47.27 | SpeedEvil | jamasi: that way it's portable. |
| 00:48.05 | SpeedEvil | BryceLeo: and suffers largely from the problem that there isn't a power or USB point available on the debug connector. |
| 00:48.33 | dcordes_ | SpeedEvil: why? |
| 00:48.33 | BryceLeo | very true, but i'd take the expandable back just for a bigger lion battery |
| 00:48.42 | SpeedEvil | dcordes_: because there isn't |
| 00:48.59 | jamasi | I just think it is possible, if people are really interested in this. for me: I'm quite happy with the current layout of the freerunner. |
| 00:49.23 | dcordes_ | SpeedEvil: I mean why is debug port a problem regarding expandable backs?Ã |
| 00:49.37 | SpeedEvil | dcordes_: because there is no USB or battery connection. |
| 00:49.48 | SpeedEvil | dcordes_: many other useful connections are brought out. |
| 00:49.54 | dcordes_ | on the debug board? |
| 00:50.07 | SpeedEvil | dcordes_: no - the debug connector inside the phone |
| 00:50.12 | BryceLeo | the battery puts out 3.7v... if you put a regulator on the board there's chance you coudl find a camera that would work |
| 00:50.19 | BryceLeo | then just run leads right off the battery |
| 00:50.25 | dcordes_ | oh. Why would that be needed for a backpack? Why not use usb? |
| 00:50.38 | BryceLeo | isn't freerunner un-powered host? |
| 00:50.56 | SpeedEvil | dcordes_: because you have to then have a connector from the USB port to the back - which sticks out or requires a custom connector. |
| 00:51.16 | SpeedEvil | dcordes_: and means that it's going to be fiddly to put on and off. |
| 00:51.19 | dcordes_ | wouldn't the whole backpack be custom- in a way? |
| 00:51.36 | dcordes_ | so your whole point is the position of the usb jack on the side? |
| 00:52.07 | SpeedEvil | dcordes_: As far as a usable consumer item - replaceable backs - is concerned, it's a major issue. |
| 00:52.08 | jamasi | as I'm thinking about a comercial backpack I don't think a custom usb connector would pose too much trouble. |
| 00:52.17 | SpeedEvil | jamasi: Sure. |
| 00:52.29 | SpeedEvil | jamasi: you're looking at an investment of maybe $10-50K |
| 00:52.38 | SpeedEvil | to make a custom connector. |
| 00:53.14 | SpeedEvil | As you've basically got to make a custom machine to stamp out all the parts and wrap them into the shape you want. |
| 00:53.25 | dcordes_ | so everything which is not off the shelf stanard parts is damn expensive? |
| 00:53.31 | SpeedEvil | Pretty much. |
| 00:53.53 | SpeedEvil | Or stuff that is designed to vary - like PCBs. |
| 00:53.59 | dcordes_ | aren't there off the shelf tiny mini usb connectors? |
| 00:54.17 | SpeedEvil | dcordes_: I've looked, and I can't find any that do not stick out at least 20mm |
| 00:54.35 | SpeedEvil | They may exist. I'd love to find one. |
| 00:54.40 | jamasi | you'd have to have a kind of that machine in any case: for the plastic cover. If you do it clever, then you can include quite a lot of the connector in th cover as well. |
| 00:55.03 | dcordes_ | SpeedEvil: my custom normal usb conenctors stick out like 1cm |
| 00:55.49 | SpeedEvil | What ones? |
| 00:56.12 | SpeedEvil | 20mm may be a bit of an exageration - it's more like 13mm for the bare metal shells. |
| 00:56.24 | SpeedEvil | At least all the datasheets I've looked at. |
| 00:56.44 | dcordes_ | the ones where I remove the plastic so only the metal shell is left and use a bit of hot glue to fix the cables |
| 00:56.59 | SpeedEvil | I think you'll find it's slightly more than 1cm |
| 00:57.09 | dcordes_ | and remove the metal until where the cables stick out |
| 00:57.30 | SpeedEvil | And in production, you can't do that. |
| 00:57.46 | dcordes_ | I geuss not :) |
| 00:57.46 | SpeedEvil | Unless you want to really wind up your assembly cost. |
| 00:58.37 | dcordes_ | it's just a nice example of how small they can get |
| 00:58.45 | dcordes_ | there's not much in them |
| 00:58.47 | SpeedEvil | Yes, I agree. |
| 00:58.56 | SpeedEvil | In principle, they can get smaller than they are. |
| 00:59.10 | SpeedEvil | dcordes_: however, show me where I can order some. |
| 00:59.15 | dcordes_ | yea.. |
| 01:00.03 | dcordes_ | a backpack with a cam and usb hub would show how expandable the beasts are |
| 01:00.12 | dcordes_ | an intersting thing |
| 01:00.20 | dcordes_ | maybe somebody can make one at home and show it off :) |
| 01:04.25 | SpeedEvil | Lots of this stuff is almost trivial if you're willing to solder to the neo. |
| 01:04.47 | SpeedEvil | But obviously that almost eliminates the commercial upgrfade market. |
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| 02:34.02 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03werner * r4477 10/developers/werner/neocon/neocon.c: |
| 02:34.02 | CIA-43 | openmoko: neocon used to hang when USB just dropped, e.g., when using u-boot via |
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| 03:13.16 | aggtrfrad | hm nice nice |
| 03:14.01 | aggtrfrad | finally :) |
| 03:15.28 | Sonicadvance1 | what? |
| 03:15.47 | Sonicadvance1 | mass production you talking about? |
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| 03:19.55 | mwester | No, I think he's referring to Werner finally fixing that neocon bug. |
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| 03:37.28 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 04:31.27 | MouseBerry | hello,i install gpsdrive, but it's windows too large to only show a little in my screen |
| 04:32.02 | MouseBerry | hello,i install gpsdrive, but it's windows too large to show all windows in my screen |
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| 05:00.29 | mwester | MouseBerry: most applications will require some GUI tweaking to fit the neo screens. |
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| 05:09.44 | MouseBerry | thank you for attention,but i install it use opkg,so it should fit the screen already |
| 05:13.36 | mwester | I wish it were so. Many of the apps in the package feeds are not updated for the Neo specifically yet. They merely build (and probably run on other ARM-based devices, as the repository builds the feeds for a number of different projects and devices). |
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| 06:19.46 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 06:29.37 | tomboy64 | mwester: so basically you're required to build your own package db? -.- |
| 06:30.41 | mwester | tomboy64: ? |
| 06:32.38 | tomboy64 | mwester: if the packages are not prepared for the om by upstrem or by oe - how will i get them fitting for my om? will i have to do that on my own? |
| 06:34.39 | mwester | If the software in question requires tuning or theming for Openmoko, then somebody has to do that. There are relatively few packages where that effort has been invested to date. |
| 06:35.16 | mwester | There are a lot of packages where someone has invested a little bit of effort to at least make sure they build for the neo. |
| 06:36.16 | mwester | And somewhere in the middle is the set of packages where someone has built them, and made sure they install, and perhaps they have documented (on the wiki, maybe?) some tweaks or changes that make it work better on the neo. |
| 06:37.00 | mwester | Over time, the first set (fully tuned and themed) will grow, but I would always expect that there will be some set of apps in the second and third categories. |
| 06:37.14 | mwester | Take a look at the software for the Nokia tablets for a good example. |
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| 06:41.24 | tomboy64 | can you build native stuff for them? |
| 06:41.31 | tomboy64 | the n8something series |
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| 06:53.51 | mwester | tomboy64: I suspect that you can compile natively on the N800 devices. But I was more referring to the set of software availalble for them -- they have the same "graduated" set of applications; the ones that are fully themed and look fabulous, the ones that just work, but aren't themed, and the ones that are compiled for them, but may not (yet) be usable because of screen size or other UI issues. |
| 06:54.47 | tomboy64 | ah, ok |
| 06:55.45 | tomboy64 | thx for the enlightenment :) |
| 06:55.52 | tomboy64 | but now i gotta go |
| 06:55.55 | tomboy64 | cu later |
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| 07:02.48 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all |
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| 08:03.41 | Sup3rkiddo | anyone with a freerunner here..would like to know the sysfs node for power |
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| 08:08.09 | Sup3rkiddo | ~trout everyone for sleeping |
| 08:08.12 | apt | ACTION slaps everyone for sleeping around a bit with a large trout! |
| 08:08.21 | raster | Sup3rkiddo: as in battery? |
| 08:08.58 | Sup3rkiddo | raster, yeah.....in my laptop it is in /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1 with all the information |
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| 08:10.08 | raster | same with freerunner |
| 08:10.15 | raster | well not BAT1 |
| 08:10.28 | raster | but if u handle the power_supply class correctly - it wotks on laptop and freerunner |
| 08:10.32 | raster | works |
| 08:10.54 | raster | if u want code that does that... i can point you to some... |
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| 08:11.12 | Sup3rkiddo | raster, code which gets information? |
| 08:11.27 | Sup3rkiddo | raster, i am supposed to do that as part of this year's SoC :D |
| 08:11.49 | sampit | hi, is there any other way to get the QEMU src than via svn? |
| 08:11.49 | raster | yes |
| 08:11.57 | raster | http://www.enlightenment.org/viewvc/e17/apps/e/src/modules/battery/batget.c?view=markup |
| 08:11.59 | raster | done |
| 08:12.27 | Sup3rkiddo | raster, for the backlight, i just used good old fprintf and fscanf and got away with it |
| 08:12.42 | raster | thats easy |
| 08:12.43 | raster | :) |
| 08:12.49 | Sup3rkiddo | bah.. |
| 08:12.51 | Sup3rkiddo | <-- noob |
| 08:12.52 | raster | not sure what u are doing |
| 08:12.59 | Sup3rkiddo | raster, the neod replacement |
| 08:13.05 | raster | ooh |
| 08:13.06 | raster | neod |
| 08:13.14 | raster | i just use e's own battery module |
| 08:13.19 | raster | it already does the stuff anyway |
| 08:13.20 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r83f588a9c696 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [qtopia] We can now properly name the source directory do so |
| 08:13.20 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rb7654768a681 10/packages/packagekit/ (files/03_group_infomation.patch packagekit_git.bb): [packagekit] Add patch to packagekit. |
| 08:13.21 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * ra4770a14adf3 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: [srcdate] Update efl |
| 08:13.23 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r18943ab3a95e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [illume] Update to r111 |
| 08:13.26 | Sup3rkiddo | raster, yeah.. |
| 08:13.28 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r3571f6d47b15 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [qtopia] Upgrade to get a version with some new dbus interfaces needed for exposure |
| 08:13.31 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r07fd5fdabf8e 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: [openmoko] Modify the hint of building information. |
| 08:13.34 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rb7038bc5d744 10/packages/gypsy/ (gypsy.inc gypsy_svn.bb): [gypsy] gypsy DEPENDS on libxslt-native, actually commit right file this |
| 08:13.37 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r4fe79f458d38 10/conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev |
| 08:13.38 | raster | as newer kernels on laptops use the new api |
| 08:13.40 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r76296aa81bf1 10/conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of /home/dp/openmoko/openmoko/ into org.openmoko.dev |
| 08:13.42 | raster | instead of acpi |
| 08:13.53 | raster | for a while we didnt have apm emulation in the kenrle |
| 08:13.54 | Sup3rkiddo | raster, funny that code you pointed gives me a sense of deja vu |
| 08:13.58 | raster | so this was the onyl way to get the info |
| 08:14.08 | Sup3rkiddo | sysfs is cool |
| 08:14.17 | Sup3rkiddo | just one entry per file and you get to play god |
| 08:14.55 | raster | beware |
| 08:15.00 | raster | not all is as nics as u'd like |
| 08:15.08 | raster | some entroies block on reads a lot |
| 08:15.10 | raster | ie are slow |
| 08:15.14 | raster | entries |
| 08:15.21 | raster | so reading more thna u have to is generay a bad idea |
| 08:15.27 | Sup3rkiddo | oooh...thanks for the headsup |
| 08:16.11 | Sup3rkiddo | raster, i was thinking of a caching entries that won't change...max_brightness, device_manufcturer and all that...just read once when the plugins are loaded |
| 08:16.21 | raster | yup |
| 08:16.24 | raster | have a init stage |
| 08:16.34 | raster | where u read things that are not (likely) to change |
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| 08:16.43 | raster | and a poll call |
| 08:16.49 | raster | u will also want some"event" callback |
| 08:17.07 | raster | which means somthing may (or may not) deliver an event laterthat may mean u need to re-init |
| 08:17.13 | Sup3rkiddo | raster, yeah, for things like battery where i need to monitor stuff? |
| 08:17.17 | raster | (eg someone rips battery out and puts it in - that'd be an event - well 2) |
| 08:17.25 | raster | see the code i poined to |
| 08:17.28 | raster | the uevent file |
| 08:17.31 | Sup3rkiddo | raster, i have never been this lower down the foodchain |
| 08:17.32 | raster | grep for it :) |
| 08:17.38 | Sup3rkiddo | raster, i will take a look..thanks |
| 08:17.47 | raster | everything u need is there in the code |
| 08:18.01 | raster | it simplifies battery info fetching into a set of simple values |
| 08:18.11 | Sup3rkiddo | raster, i see |
| 08:18.14 | raster | if u have multiple batteries it just averages their capacity etc. |
| 08:18.20 | raster | so it may look more complex than u like |
| 08:18.40 | Sup3rkiddo | i understand... |
| 08:18.54 | Sup3rkiddo | badly wants a freerunner to test things out =( |
| 08:19.30 | Sup3rkiddo | raster, heres the code btw, in case you are curious...http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=openmoko-gsoc2008.git;a=summary would love to have suggestions when you are free |
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| 08:24.58 | raster | sheeprushprush! |
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| 08:27.50 | abraxa__ | Sup3rkiddo: Won't happen. raster is too busy fending off all the girls that drool over his looks and his accent |
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| 08:28.49 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa__, bleh....so i am the only one single in here |
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| 08:29.37 | abraxa__ | Sup3rkiddo: Nah :) |
| 08:29.49 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa__, ok that makes two of us |
| 08:30.20 | abraxa__ | Actually I was refering to other people ;x |
| 08:30.35 | Sup3rkiddo | oh =|, |
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| 08:38.32 | CM | Oohh.. Freerunners being produced :) |
| 08:38.47 | CM | ScaredyCat: Thanks for the notification ;) |
| 08:43.02 | XorA | someone pressed the button finally :-) |
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| 08:55.48 | ljp | girls drool over rasters accent? |
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| 09:03.31 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * r29437da04da1 10/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Code cleanup and commenting. |
| 09:08.05 | ScaredyCat | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fail-congratulations1.jpg |
| 09:08.08 | ScaredyCat | roflmao |
| 09:08.12 | ScaredyCat | np CM |
| 09:09.04 | ScaredyCat | posts the abraxa__ Sup3rkiddo conversation to bash.org |
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| 09:13.05 | ScaredyCat | leopenmoko ... |
| 09:13.13 | ScaredyCat | sorry, I'll get my coat |
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| 09:14.50 | bart_ | :) |
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| 09:15.15 | bart_ | i was thinking of something like #openmoko-fr, but nope |
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| 09:16.54 | methril | hi |
| 09:16.57 | methril | hello |
| 09:16.58 | methril | :D |
| 09:17.07 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r89ce0a661565 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] Bump the revision of diversity-nav to 421 |
| 09:17.07 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6987716dd7f0 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [diversity] Add splinter. |
| 09:17.08 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r3c51dd0a9e81 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko] Add splinter into openmoko-feed |
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| 10:05.26 | ScaredyCat | weeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 10:05.26 | roh | ola SC |
| 10:05.26 | ScaredyCat | lo roh |
| 10:05.26 | xcalie | wow... did a country just get nuked? |
| 10:05.26 | roh | xcalie ? |
| 10:05.26 | roh | seen a mushroomcloud nearby? |
| 10:05.35 | xcalie | random mass exit |
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| 10:05.35 | roh | nope heinlein.freenode.net is just splitty |
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| 11:05.18 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * r9afdd2577459 10/ (16 files in 3 dirs): Began updating dbus methods to match fso otapi's current state. |
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| 11:16.01 | ScaredyCat | drops a pin |
| 11:16.14 | Bish | booom |
| 11:21.56 | Sup3rkiddo | ~fish Bish for farting |
| 11:21.57 | apt | ACTION slaps Bish for farting around with a large trout |
| 11:22.03 | Sup3rkiddo | :/ |
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| 11:22.30 | Bish | wants freerunner |
| 11:22.55 | ScaredyCat | farting around ? |
| 11:23.05 | ScaredyCat | there's a difference |
| 11:24.47 | fish_ | ~fish Sup3rkiddo for highlighting me ;) |
| 11:24.47 | apt | ACTION slaps Sup3rkiddo for highlighting me ;) around with a large trout |
| 11:25.07 | Sup3rkiddo | is fish_ is a bot? |
| 11:25.18 | Sup3rkiddo | no! |
| 11:26.06 | fish_ | i'm a pretty good AI irc bot :P |
| 11:26.22 | balrog-k1n | he's an AI fish |
| 11:26.35 | balrog-k1n | like the one sony (i think) build |
| 11:27.01 | Sup3rkiddo | makes sushi out of fish_ and cobbles *it* |
| 11:27.08 | Sup3rkiddo | *gobbles :) |
| 11:27.26 | cb22 | hmmm.... if a qvga frame occupies 113kb of space, the freerunner should be able to do 60fps qvga and 15 or so vga |
| 11:27.44 | cb22 | that doesnt sound _that_ bad |
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| 11:29.56 | igor321 | that's only if not using cpu |
| 11:30.03 | SpeedEvil | or SD |
| 11:30.33 | cb22 | true, but it still sounds like 30fps @ qvga is possible |
| 11:30.46 | SpeedEvil | Use 50% of CPU, and that takes it down to 30FPS qvga - use 10% for audio, and you're at 25fps |
| 11:31.01 | SpeedEvil | 25fps looks barely possible. |
| 11:31.13 | igor321 | 19 fps according to raster |
| 11:31.32 | fish_ | ah crap.. does the buildroot uses some tempdir outside its own dir? |
| 11:31.35 | igor321 | but balrog_kun is working on enabling hardware mpeg4 |
| 11:31.40 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 11:31.51 | cb22 | ~fish glamo for not doing dma |
| 11:31.51 | apt | ACTION slaps glamo for not doing dma around with a large trout |
| 11:31.51 | SpeedEvil | passes balrog-k1n a lump of really nice cheese. |
| 11:32.03 | SpeedEvil | cbrake_away: as I understand it, it can do DMA |
| 11:32.14 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: yeah, but really badly |
| 11:32.16 | SpeedEvil | cb22: but it's a hair slower than non-DMA |
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| 11:32.23 | SpeedEvil | cbrake_away: and wedges the RAM anyway |
| 11:32.55 | SpeedEvil | sighs |
| 11:33.04 | fish_ | i just did a 'make openmoko-devel-image' and now my / disk is full and my build aborted |
| 11:33.12 | Bish | that means freerunners video is bullshit! |
| 11:33.28 | SpeedEvil | Bish: with hardare decode, it's OK |
| 11:33.37 | igor321 | yes it does, shout it from the rooftops why don't ya |
| 11:33.39 | Bish | define OK please |
| 11:34.24 | SpeedEvil | Bish: aceptable video rate at QVGA, without too much CPU load |
| 11:35.14 | SpeedEvil | The video hardware has significant problems. |
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| 11:36.16 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03matt_hsu * r4478 10/developers/matt_hsu/: Added new file for developer - matt. |
| 11:36.21 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: wedges the ram? |
| 11:36.56 | SpeedEvil | cb22: DMA works - but it stalls all other RAM access while it's ongoing |
| 11:37.07 | SpeedEvil | cb22: so there is basically no gain over PIO. |
| 11:37.13 | SpeedEvil | cb22: as I understand it |
| 11:37.49 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03matt_hsu * r4479 10/developers/matt_hsu/agps-online/ (. Makefile agps-onlinec.c agps-onlinec.h ubx.c ubx.h): tiny agps client |
| 11:39.58 | Bish | qvga is 320x240 right?= |
| 11:40.06 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 11:40.31 | Bish | thats freakin bad |
| 11:40.36 | Bish | i hoped for more in freerunner |
| 11:42.10 | SpeedEvil | In practice, it's hard to tell from VGA unless you've got the phone really close, and it's still. |
| 11:42.40 | SpeedEvil | really close as in under 25-30cm |
| 11:43.29 | SpeedEvil | cb22: what res are the videos you've been encoding? |
| 11:43.49 | igor321 | gta03's new gsm modem, does anyone know if it's gonna have 3G? |
| 11:44.00 | SpeedEvil | cb22: and chow much CPU do they take to decode |
| 11:44.02 | SpeedEvil | igor321: no |
| 11:44.19 | igor321 | but it is going to be a new module? |
| 11:44.24 | SpeedEvil | igor321: GTA03 is simply GTA02 with the glamo ripped out (and some other minor changes) |
| 11:44.38 | SpeedEvil | Same modem |
| 11:44.52 | igor321 | that's not what raster said on the list |
| 11:44.53 | XorA | images a blackened hole where glamo was burned from design |
| 11:45.01 | SpeedEvil | igor321: it's not? |
| 11:45.14 | igor321 | i think it's not... |
| 11:45.14 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: well, they are really low res, and they can play back on the neo with no scaling quite easily |
| 11:45.16 | Bish | i preodered a freerunner froma re seller,, which one will i get ? SpeedEvil |
| 11:45.20 | SpeedEvil | igor321: gta03 is the next design due to hit the pipes - last I knew. |
| 11:45.33 | igor321 | lemme check and i'll let you know |
| 11:45.38 | SpeedEvil | igor321: gta04 is the one that does not have completely frozen features |
| 11:45.39 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: but if theres one thing i hear the glamo can do decently, its hardware scaling |
| 11:46.01 | cb22 | 160x128 -> 640x480 |
| 11:46.02 | SpeedEvil | cb22: I was idly wondering on future devices with a camera, and videophone |
| 11:46.24 | SpeedEvil | Actually, on reflection, videophone over GPRS may be painful. |
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| 11:46.38 | Bish | lol |
| 11:46.58 | SpeedEvil | Due to the delay - not the quality so much |
| 11:47.11 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: yeah, same problem with voip |
| 11:47.41 | SpeedEvil | igor321: which list - hardware? |
| 11:47.54 | cb22 | 5fps mpeg4 at 20kb/s with 8kb/s speex codec |
| 11:47.56 | igor321 | "but even |
| 11:47.56 | igor321 | internally the most i have managed to do, i think, is influence the glamo to |
| 11:47.56 | igor321 | vanish from the gta03, but otherwise we have what we have now (just a new case, |
| 11:47.56 | igor321 | different battery, added a camera, a different gsm module). |
| 11:47.56 | igor321 | " |
| 11:48.06 | igor321 | SpeedEvli: no, community |
| 11:48.20 | SpeedEvil | igor321: ah |
| 11:48.28 | SpeedEvil | igor321: I missed that. |
| 11:48.45 | SpeedEvil | Though different does not mean faster, it might mean quadband forex |
| 11:48.48 | cb22 | igor321: hrm, i also missed it, you have a link? |
| 11:49.01 | igor321 | those are some quite bit changes downlplayed, right? |
| 11:49.01 | SpeedEvil | IMO 3G is unlikely, as there are many worldwide standards. |
| 11:49.10 | igor321 | cb22: just a sec |
| 11:49.15 | cb22 | edge maybe? |
| 11:49.24 | igor321 | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/018546.html |
| 11:49.24 | cb22 | thanks |
| 11:49.27 | SpeedEvil | edge is much more likely |
| 11:49.27 | igor321 | here you go |
| 11:49.36 | SpeedEvil | (than 3g) |
| 11:49.52 | igor321 | i also believe that |
| 11:50.02 | igor321 | i was at a presentation of haralds |
| 11:50.25 | igor321 | and he said that they would like to do 3G but can't cause the chip makers don't wanna sell to hem |
| 11:50.28 | igor321 | *them |
| 11:50.37 | SpeedEvil | That's the other problem. |
| 11:50.48 | SpeedEvil | 'we want to buy 5000' |
| 11:50.54 | XorA | the main problem with 3g is the pre-made modules are too big to fit |
| 11:50.55 | SpeedEvil | 'add a couple of zeros, and sure' |
| 11:51.11 | igor321 | i don't believe it's only that |
| 11:51.17 | SpeedEvil | igor321: no |
| 11:51.18 | igor321 | it's more to do with politics |
| 11:51.43 | SpeedEvil | igor321: on some of the chipsets, there are allocation problems, and some of them are designed as unified 3G/application processors. |
| 11:51.46 | Bish | will i be happy with my freerunner? |
| 11:51.55 | SpeedEvil | Bish: what do you expect of it? |
| 11:52.05 | igor321 | we will be very happy, you and me both :) |
| 11:52.24 | cb22 | wonders what the gta03 will look like |
| 11:52.35 | cb22 | and what spec camera, i heard a 3mp or 2mp |
| 11:52.41 | igor321 | well joerg said it looks like a million dollars |
| 11:52.57 | Bish | SpeedEvil: playing unreal tournement on it ! |
| 11:53.02 | SpeedEvil | At the moment it's a linux box with a modem the speed of a 1990s one, a 16 bit ISA video card from the 90s, ... |
| 11:53.03 | igor321 | not at all like a hockey puck :) |
| 11:53.23 | SpeedEvil | cbrake_away: there are lots of cheapish 2MP cameras |
| 11:53.26 | Bish | SpeedEvil: alinux box o the 90 xD with wifi |
| 11:53.28 | ScaredyCat | if the 03 doesn't have a keyboard I'm not buying it |
| 11:53.30 | SpeedEvil | cb22: I've not seen 3MP |
| 11:53.41 | SpeedEvil | cb22: cheap |
| 11:53.48 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: any idea on how it would be connected? i heard there was a shortage of buses going around |
| 11:53.56 | SpeedEvil | Naah. |
| 11:54.03 | SpeedEvil | There is a dedicated camera bus |
| 11:54.10 | igor321 | i also wonder that |
| 11:54.16 | SpeedEvil | On the GTA02 processor |
| 11:54.18 | igor321 | on the soc? |
| 11:54.21 | igor321 | aha |
| 11:54.26 | XorA | yeah, s3c24xx series CPU already have cam controller |
| 11:54.40 | SpeedEvil | Supports something like 12MP cameras in principle |
| 11:54.44 | XorA | bottom right connector on the smdk24xx boards :-) |
| 11:54.46 | SpeedEvil | Or somethign silly anyway |
| 11:54.56 | cb22 | wants a damn s3c6400 based device already :( |
| 11:55.03 | SpeedEvil | XorA: I assume cam connectors aren't brought out on GTA02? |
| 11:55.20 | XorA | SpeedEvil: Ill bet some of the GPIO are used for other stuff |
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| 11:55.28 | SpeedEvil | Prolly. |
| 11:55.34 | cb22 | XorA: so no hacking a camera onto it? |
| 11:55.38 | cb22 | s/onto/into/ |
| 11:55.40 | XorA | cb22: use usb |
| 11:56.08 | XorA | cb22: uvcvideo ones come pretty small these days |
| 11:56.08 | SpeedEvil | wishes the debug connector had USB |
| 11:56.09 | cb22 | yeah, but usb is so... passe :p |
| 11:56.15 | SpeedEvil | And slow |
| 11:56.55 | SpeedEvil | slow is a problem as due to the design of most cameras, they expose and send over USB ithout any buffer RAM |
| 11:57.14 | SpeedEvil | They cant' snapshot into RAM, then feed the image back slowly |
| 11:57.22 | cb22 | heh,8-bit isa is faster then the glamo's bus |
| 11:57.43 | SpeedEvil | cbL: not quite |
| 11:57.50 | SpeedEvil | cbrake_away: 16 bit, yes |
| 11:58.09 | SpeedEvil | apologises to cbrake_away. |
| 11:58.11 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 11:58.25 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: is it 7 megabits / s or megabytes / s |
| 11:58.30 | cbrake_away | SpeedEvil: heh -- to many cb*'s :-) |
| 11:58.38 | cb22 | cbrake_away: hehe :) |
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| 12:02.42 | igor321 | i'm curious did anyone ever like got the total number of people from the groupsales and the buying interest wikis? |
| 12:03.04 | ScaredyCat | anyone have a link to an x11 atopia image |
| 12:03.07 | ScaredyCat | q |
| 12:03.22 | cb22 | ScaredyCat: http://localhost |
| 12:03.32 | ScaredyCat | ~cook cb22 |
| 12:03.33 | apt | ACTION throws cb22 in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks cb22 on 350 for an hour |
| 12:05.12 | igor321 | i'm not sure but i'd say there are something like 500 people only on the group sales list |
| 12:07.37 | xcalie | just over 650 on the list.. and alot are buying multiple items |
| 12:08.11 | ScaredyCat | huffs |
| 12:08.21 | SpeedEvil | cb22: megabytes |
| 12:11.07 | igor321 | that's great, most of these early people are gonna be so into making improving the FR, i think it's really gonna pwn |
| 12:11.52 | cb22 | wants freerunner |
| 12:11.58 | cbrake | is there are target in the MokoMakefile that builds the ASU sw for gta01? |
| 12:12.10 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: ah, thanks |
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| 12:12.45 | ScaredyCat | cbrake: try openmoko-qtopia-x11-image |
| 12:12.52 | cbrake | ScaredyCat: ok, thanks |
| 12:13.14 | ScaredyCat | I can't get it to build, you may have some success |
| 12:13.28 | cb22 | ScaredyCat: use more buildfu |
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| 12:17.02 | XorA | builds here and there --> |
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| 12:19.16 | ScaredyCat | rolls XorA into a tube and stuffs him onto the London underground |
| 12:20.13 | Weiss | segfaults |
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| 12:21.09 | XorA | ScaredyCat: noooo, there is no alcohol there |
| 12:21.36 | ScaredyCat | wraps XorA in a tramps coat |
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| 12:27.25 | ScaredyCat | stabs whoever just updated the qt x11 bb file |
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| 12:29.07 | cb22 | watches some random person run out of Openmoko with a knife stuck in him |
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| 12:36.43 | dcordes_ | mickey|zzZZzz: I built the fso-images successfully but it won't boot on kaiser. I think a problem is that it is compressed too much. Removing a few things from the filesystem got it 6M smaller |
| 12:38.33 | ScaredyCat | prods XorA continuously |
| 12:38.54 | XorA | ScaredyCat: wasnt me |
| 12:39.05 | cb22 | sets mode -prodder on ScaredyCat |
| 12:39.54 | ScaredyCat | mutters |
| 12:40.10 | ScaredyCat | motions to the poster on the wall |
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| 12:43.12 | dcordes_ | XorA: the initrd which boots is in .cpio.gz 20M and extracted 70M so the above doesn't make much sense. What's very odd is that I can't even boot a 16M X11-image but 12M console-image. The console-image almost always boots |
| 12:43.23 | cbrake | oe metadata won't even parse for openmoko!!: http://pastebin.ca/1040346 |
| 12:44.09 | XorA | dcordes_: the only thing I can think of is haret isnt configuring stuff right |
| 12:44.14 | ScaredyCat | points cbrake to ScaredyCat's previous biatching |
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| 12:45.03 | dcordes_ | XorA: I don't know what it should configure differently for an 16M X11 vs 12M console-image. Maybe I have something in the console-image which does the trick. Will compare the two |
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| 12:46.21 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r6f3d67f57288 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] SRCPV isnt in .dev yet |
| 12:46.33 | XorA | whistles innocently about qtopia |
| 12:47.29 | SpeedEvil | (To the tune of The Macarena) |
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| 13:00.53 | dcordes_ | XorA: haret wants zImage+initrd(on initial boot) sizes not larger than 25M |
| 13:01.15 | dcordes_ | I just try to boot it in .cpio not .cpio.gz but that's 20M too big |
| 13:02.56 | cb22 | is tripping on e |
| 13:02.59 | cb22 | e17, that is |
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| 13:04.21 | CVirus | e17 is pretty unstable |
| 13:04.27 | CVirus | and yet I use it all the time |
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| 13:15.22 | ScaredyCat | ¡Éɹox ɹoÉ ÊÉÊ |
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| 13:18.37 | zash | ¿ÊnÊ |
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| 13:19.17 | xMDKx | oO |
| 13:21.57 | ScaredyCat | when did oe go from being a useable build system to being a sack of shite that relies on downloading pre-packaged cvs extracts? |
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| 13:23.16 | XorA | ScaredyCat: when E was added |
| 13:23.24 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 13:23.39 | ScaredyCat | pokes random people with an Edam |
| 13:23.39 | XorA | there is no E release, so about 1000 cvs checkouts instead |
| 13:24.16 | ScaredyCat | doesn't help when the e cvs server doesn't repond :( |
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| 13:28.08 | mickey|zzZZzz | i guess I'll change our EFL packages to fetch from git |
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| 13:31.29 | dcordes_ | mickey|zzZZzz: hi. fso doesn't boot on kaiser. see above |
| 13:32.16 | mickey|zzZZzz | dcordes_: which things did you remove? |
| 13:32.33 | mickey|zzZZzz | what's the upper limit for Kaiser? i can try to make an fso-image-light |
| 13:32.52 | dcordes_ | mickey|zzZZzz: /boot/zImage because this is loaded by haret anyway and all ringtones. |
| 13:33.25 | dcordes_ | mickey|zzZZzz: I don't know. I think it depends on the current usage by wince. I'm currently trying to flash a different wince rom than stock one so I can free some more. |
| 13:33.59 | dcordes_ | There are plenty custom ones which are way more cleaned up. People say they can boot the other ramdisks perfectly reliable on those |
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| 13:34.52 | dcordes_ | fso-image-light would be great. Just try and make it as small as possible. Maybe that combined with more free ram will do the trick |
| 13:35.59 | XorA | dcordes_: just get that SD driver working :-D |
| 13:36.00 | mickey|zzZZzz | ok, i will do that. the wav ringtones will go away anyways |
| 13:36.08 | mickey|zzZZzz | the stock image will feature .sid ringtones |
| 13:36.13 | mickey|zzZZzz | :D |
| 13:36.23 | XorA | sid, yuck, get some .ay ones |
| 13:36.34 | zash | sid? |
| 13:36.42 | XorA | sid == C64 music |
| 13:36.54 | zash | haha |
| 13:37.10 | mickey|zzZZzz | no joke. .sid sounds better than the ubiquitous OPL FM chip |
| 13:37.14 | XorA | wants his phone to boot while playing Jesus on Es |
| 13:37.38 | mickey|zzZZzz | wants 'Crazy Comets' as ringtone |
| 13:38.08 | Karrde | International Karate. |
| 13:38.16 | mickey|zzZZzz | yeah |
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| 13:39.11 | dcordes_ | XorA: yea sure if you tell me how. |
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| 13:40.13 | XorA | reminds me, must update speccy emulator on gp2x |
| 13:40.24 | XorA | pity the C64 ones are all gash or too slow |
| 13:40.48 | Sonicadvance1 | make a better one? :D |
| 13:41.00 | XorA | never owned a C64 |
| 13:41.24 | XorA | VICE is good, but only runs at 50% on 200Mhz arm |
| 13:41.38 | XorA | frodo is gash but runs full speed |
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| 13:42.26 | ScaredyCat | yay for sid ringtones! |
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| 13:42.47 | XorA | mickey|zzZZzz: why not a mod player for ringtones? |
| 13:42.56 | XorA | mickey|zzZZzz: then you can ship your master peices |
| 13:43.25 | XorA | wonders if he still has "wub wub" on disk somewhere |
| 13:44.37 | mickey|zzZZzz | XorA: absolutely. sid and mod support will be included. just that the .mods are much larger than the .sids |
| 13:44.42 | codeheadzxc | Does anyone know how to switch back to the openmoko keyboard? I tried running opkg install matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod but it can't find the packages |
| 13:45.39 | XorA | has fond memories of sample playing on zx sound chip |
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| 13:52.57 | ScaredyCat | catnip:/home/moko/sid/Hubbard_Rob> sidplayer Zoids.sid |
| 13:53.00 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 13:54.05 | mickey|zzZZzz | :))) |
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| 14:07.50 | dcordes_ | mickey|zzZZzz: can you ping me when you found time for the fso light? |
| 14:10.26 | mickey|zzZZzz | sure thing. on schedule for weekend |
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| 14:15.29 | dcordes_ | mickey|zzZZzz: basically an openmoko-fso-debug image would sufice. one which only matches the requirements to start the gui |
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| 14:16.47 | mickey|zzZZzz | ok, so without any daemons. we're just looking to start X into UI for a start? |
| 14:25.04 | dcordes_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.52 | dcordes_ | I wanted to make an angstrom console-image with X11 added (no X applications, just raw X with startup scripts and such) but I didn't know how |
| 14:26.56 | dcordes_ | as I mentioned above, the 12M console image boots just fine. I even see the angstrom psplash and I can't imagine any reason why this shouldn't work with a small Xserver on top |
| 14:27.44 | dcordes_ | of course I tried x11-image first but that doesn't boot either |
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| 14:29.18 | damunix | Hi all |
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| 14:30.47 | damunix | I have a little question : I try to launch openmoko system under qemu, but I can't launch X server, And it always says that there is no space left on the device, so how can I say to qemu that there it has to allow more space ? |
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| 14:53.47 | damunix | nobody ? |
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| 14:56.50 | xMDKx | damunix: I have the same problem =/ |
| 14:57.48 | damunix | ok :) |
| 14:58.24 | damunix | and I don't have a neo to try :) |
| 14:59.13 | xMDKx | yeap... I'm just dreamming with one (ant trying to run openmoko on a treo 680 device) |
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| 15:00.24 | damunix | lol |
| 15:00.53 | damunix | I would like to try the qtopia version, do you know any img file which one I can try ? |
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| 15:01.45 | xMDKx | take a look at http://hackndev.com/ |
| 15:02.01 | xMDKx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.54 | damunix | thanks ! |
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| 15:17.46 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r73bf66217d78 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [openmoko] Remove Tag of enlazar-qh, kobodeluxe |
| 15:17.47 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r440b6b97e8a8 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [openmoko] add Openmoko community repository bbfile. |
| 15:21.22 | fish_ | i'm pretty new to openmoko/openembedded/mokomakefile. i just tried to build openmoko the first time and it failed because my hdd was full (at least i guess). now i try to run 'make openmoko-devel-image' again and i get this: ERROR: log data follows (/data/Data/openmoko/build/tmp/work/om-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-openmoko-1_2.6.24+git20080606-r0/temp/log.do_configure.25529) |
| 15:21.28 | fish_ | | cp: cannot stat `/data/Data/openmoko/build/tmp/work/om-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-openmoko-1_2.6.24+git20080606-r0/git/defconfig-gta01': No such file or directory |
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| 15:22.15 | ScaredyCat | use bitbake -c clean |
| 15:22.31 | ScaredyCat | (or rebuild) |
| 15:22.31 | fish_ | k, thx |
| 15:22.56 | ScaredyCat | cd build && bitbake -c clean linux-openmoko |
| 15:24.07 | ScaredyCat | then just cd ../ and do your make again... |
| 15:24.18 | ScaredyCat | you need quite a bit of disk space |
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| 15:24.53 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rb49d4895bc99 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [openmoko] add Openmoko community repository bbfile. |
| 15:26.13 | fish_ | ScaredyCat: does the buildsystem put data somewhere outside the builddir? |
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| 15:26.25 | fish_ | (in my case /data/Data/openmoko/) |
| 15:27.00 | fish_ | it looks like thats the case, because on /data should be enough free space |
| 15:27.14 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 15:27.19 | fish_ | but on / is only about 300MB left... |
| 15:27.33 | ScaredyCat | you can use symlinks |
| 15:27.33 | fish_ | strange.. |
| 15:27.57 | fish_ | no, everthing is fine if all data is put under /data/Data/openmoko.. |
| 15:28.00 | mmontour | fish_: it may be using ccache |
| 15:28.05 | ScaredyCat | yes ... |
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| 15:28.12 | fish_ | mmontour: ah! |
| 15:28.14 | ScaredyCat | ccache -C |
| 15:28.19 | fish_ | mmontour: thats possible, good hint |
| 15:28.20 | ScaredyCat | will clear it |
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| 15:28.52 | mmontour | If so, you can specify a size limit for the cache dir. |
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| 15:29.45 | fish_ | i guess i'll move my ccache to my raid |
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| 15:37.18 | fish_ | ScaredyCat: i hope after bitbake -c clean i don't have to build _everything_ again...? |
| 15:37.47 | ScaredyCat | not everything, just that and any deps |
| 15:40.10 | ScaredyCat | but if you just do a make openmoko-devel-image it'll build what it needs |
| 15:40.22 | ScaredyCat | or even bitbake it from there. |
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| 15:45.07 | ScaredyCat | http://gizmodo.com/5012983/security-cam-footage-of-cubicle-rage-to-the-extreme-is-every-cube-dwellers-fantasy |
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| 16:06.51 | kukinchi | whats openmoko |
| 16:08.08 | CVirus | kukinchi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/ |
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| 16:39.02 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke * r3c778453f1f0 10/src/server/ (14 files in 10 dirs): [illume] Start shrinking the binary and runtime size |
| 16:39.02 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke * r88e10c03f08b 10/src/server/processctrl/qdsync/qdsynctask.cpp: [sanity] This code doesn't make any sense... it blocks before sending the message |
| 16:39.03 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke * r320d6047f9c8 10/src/server/phone/serverinterface/phonelauncher/ (phonelauncher_illume.cpp phonelauncher_illume.h): [illume] Remove the speed dial for illume |
| 16:39.04 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke * r54ce4a534903 10/src/server/phone/serverinterface/phonelauncher/ (phonelauncher_illume.cpp phonelauncher_illume.h): [illume] Do not create a PhoneBrowser |
| 16:39.07 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke * rf5abcad439f8 10/src/server/phone/serverinterface/phonelauncher/phonelauncher_illume.cpp: fixup removed slot |
| 16:39.10 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke * rf58ffb841a72 10/src/server/phone/serverinterface/phonelauncher/ (phonelauncher_illume.cpp phonelauncher_illume.h): [illume] We do not handle call and hangup key in illume => remove |
| 16:39.13 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke * rcb657cbe1499 10/src/server/phone/serverinterface/phonelauncher/ (phonelauncher_illume.cpp phonelauncher_illume.h): [illume] Remove m_stack, it is unsued |
| 16:39.16 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke * r13f3a747b356 10/src/server/phone/serverinterface/phonelauncher/ (phonelauncher_illume.cpp phonelauncher_illume.h): [illume] Remove unused foo |
| 16:39.19 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke * rc6973ec431b9 10/src/server/phone/serverinterface/phonelauncher/ (phonelauncher_illume.cpp phonelauncher_illume.h): [illume] Remove as much homescreen functionality as possible |
| 16:39.49 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke * rd48ffda3248b 10/src/server/phone/serverinterface/phonelauncher/ (phonelauncher_illume.cpp phonelauncher_illume.h): [illume] remove dead code |
| 16:39.50 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke * r707d9a7fc712 10/src/server/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [illume] No (sim, pin) locks for our illume launcher... |
| 16:39.50 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke * r0f3d70fcf9c6 10/src/server/ (phone/themecontrol/serverthemeview.cpp server.pro): [illume] Do not build the phonebrowser and homescreenwidgets |
| 16:40.49 | Sup3rkiddo | *yawn* |
| 16:42.27 | SpeedEvil | passes Sup3rkiddo a steaming cup of fermented yak urine. Nothing wakes you up more than projectile vomiting. |
| 16:43.09 | Sup3rkiddo | yak urine! ooo |
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| 16:44.38 | Sup3rkiddo | earlier rasterman had suggested about taking care with sysfs...i forgot the reason :/..can anyone please enlighten me |
| 16:46.20 | Sup3rkiddo | *cricket chirp* *cricket chirp* *cricket chirp* |
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| 16:46.58 | mwester | Sup3rkiddo: some reads of files in that structure may block. |
| 16:47.34 | Sup3rkiddo | mwester, ah...right, but being a virtual system, does that problem apply |
| 16:47.53 | Sup3rkiddo | even then i will be reading only a few bytes at max |
| 16:50.24 | jamasi | SpeedEvil, I think Surstroming beats that urine |
| 16:51.20 | jamasi | or rather http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surströmming |
| 16:51.24 | zash | löl |
| 16:51.30 | fenfir | hrm...has someone done something like dasher for OM yet? |
| 16:51.55 | Sup3rkiddo | there is Freerunner |
| 16:52.03 | zash | fenfir: port it |
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| 16:52.30 | fenfir | that's what i was thinking, just didn't want to rehash someone elses work if it had been done already |
| 16:53.11 | zash | check projects.om.org and google ? |
| 16:55.07 | CM | jamasi: There's nothing wrong with Surströmming! |
| 16:56.11 | jamasi | I have not tasted it yet, but I know that opening a an of this indors is a vlaid reason for your landlord to throw you out. |
| 16:56.18 | jamasi | *valid |
| 16:56.30 | CM | Hehe, I agree that it does smell a bit |
| 16:56.56 | CM | But it's tasty and salty :) |
| 16:57.25 | jamasi | it's quite simillar to natto |
| 16:57.39 | zash | jamasi: lol where? |
| 16:57.59 | CM | jamasi: Oh no, that natto stuff is nasty |
| 16:58.06 | jamasi | tastes better than it smells/looks |
| 16:58.08 | CM | Really don't like the slimy threads |
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| 16:58.45 | CM | noticed that they loved that stuff on Iki |
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| 17:13.08 | damunix | Hi |
| 17:13.32 | damunix | anyone know how to solve the "no space left" problem on Qemu simulation ? |
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| 17:18.34 | CM | damunix: Ask balrog-k1n when he's around |
| 17:19.30 | damunix | ok |
| 17:22.22 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * rf3376e838e6a 10/odeviced/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Removed helpers namespace for shorter function names, everyone hates to type long method names |
| 17:22.22 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * ra26a55139c7a 10/odeviced/src/service.vala: catch possible exception if plugins directory doesn't exist |
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| 17:24.38 | CM | balrog-k1n: Some people seem to have problems with qemu, "no space left". Ask damunix about it |
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| 17:28.32 | balrog-k1n | CM, damunix: i'll try downloading the buildhost images tonight and seeing if it's qemu or they're really too big |
| 17:29.00 | balrog-k1n | there may be a 1MB difference in the rootfs size between qemu and the default neo1973 settings |
| 17:29.03 | balrog-k1n | in u-boot |
| 17:29.12 | damunix | well, in fact none version works |
| 17:29.27 | damunix | I try to build it, but I have a sort of black screen |
| 17:29.47 | mwester | you were expecting something else? ;) :P |
| 17:30.32 | balrog-k1n | damunix: i suspect the images are either too big, or they are qtopia (which looks like a black screen i heard) :p |
| 17:32.22 | Sup3rkiddo | prays to Superman for a successful build |
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| 17:32.27 | damunix | ytes I would like to try qtopia ;) |
| 17:32.48 | damunix | but if you have a version wich works under linux, give me the link ;) |
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| 17:50.37 | CM | qtopia never seems to build successfully for me |
| 17:56.05 | wurp2|away | When I try to pull my new project at projects.openmoko.org via ssh+svn, it seems to want me to have registered a public key with p.om.org |
| 17:56.33 | wurp2|away | It doesn't ask for a password; it tells me login failed because I couldn't login via public key |
| 17:56.40 | wurp2|away | Anyone have any ideas how to get past that? |
| 17:57.51 | Vegar | have you tride uploading your ssh key? |
| 17:57.59 | Vegar | tried* |
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| 17:58.38 | wurp2|away | Vegar: I dunno where I would upload it |
| 17:59.01 | wurp2|away | The instructions on p.om.org say it should ask me for a password |
| 17:59.11 | wurp2|away | my "project password", which I also don't see a way to set |
| 17:59.27 | CM | wurp2|away: I think you have to do something at the project page, but I don't know what |
| 17:59.37 | CM | Try what Vegar said |
| 17:59.45 | wurp2|away | I can't try what Vegar said |
| 17:59.55 | wurp2|away | because there's nothing telling me where to upload it |
| 17:59.59 | wurp2|away | I would scp it up, but... |
| 18:00.07 | Vegar | wurp2|away: I think there's a form at projects.openmoko.org where you can enter your key |
| 18:00.11 | Vegar | let me create an account and check |
| 18:00.29 | CM | What's your project called wurp2|away ? |
| 18:00.30 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2|away, its in your "edit profile" |
| 18:00.35 | wurp2|away | btw, I get the same behavior if I just try to ssh in |
| 18:00.41 | wurp2|away | Sup3rkiddo: great, thx! |
| 18:00.55 | wurp2|away | CM: checkFastCharge |
| 18:01.03 | wurp2|away | sorry, gotta go, work called |
| 18:01.06 | Sup3rkiddo | would like to have a FreeRunner as token of thanks |
| 18:01.13 | wurp2|away | Thx much Sup3rkiddo, I'll look at that |
| 18:01.15 | zedstar_ | to enter key go to account maintenance then scroll down |
| 18:01.20 | wurp2|away | Sup3rkiddo: If I had 2, I'd give you 1 |
| 18:01.24 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2|away, yay |
| 18:01.26 | wurp2|away | If I had 1, I'd use it |
| 18:01.31 | wurp2|away | :-) |
| 18:01.32 | Sup3rkiddo | noting "If" |
| 18:03.05 | wurp2|away | zedstar_, Sup3rkiddo: I see the place to put keys now, thanks! |
| 18:03.09 | wurp2|away | later... |
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| 18:08.52 | mwester | CM: what distro? |
| 18:09.15 | CM | mwester: I'm on 64 bit gentoo |
| 18:09.58 | CM | mwester: Great work on all your patches btw, thanks :) |
| 18:10.28 | mwester | Qemu and Fedora don't get along, dunno about gentoo... |
| 18:10.35 | mwester | CM: thanks. :) |
| 18:10.57 | CM | I'm running a complete rebuild now, I'll try qemu later |
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| 18:11.29 | CM | Can't make calls with my gta01 any more, it just hangs up before the call is made |
| 18:11.36 | CM | suspects alsa |
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| 18:31.00 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke * rbfe93ae3be6d 10/src/build/bin/installpic: [path] Cope with "+" in the path by properly escaping it |
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| 18:37.34 | CM | curses exposure_svn.bb (#1412) |
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| 18:40.58 | mjr | hmm, luring. If I sell my soul to my current operator for 24 months, I'll get a 3g stick (usb) with multisim service for the same money I pay them now |
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| 18:43.14 | Avenged-Revenge | so is the video bw issue with the gta01 or 02? |
| 18:43.36 | CM | 02 |
| 18:43.44 | CM | GTA01 doesn't have a gpu |
| 18:43.59 | Avenged-Revenge | oh yeah |
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| 19:28.21 | balrog-k1n | stabs whoever invented modules |
| 19:28.25 | balrog-k1n | -*.tar.gz |
| 19:30.19 | mwester | wonders just how much more memory would have been sold worldwide if every device that uses modules were static instead... |
| 19:31.42 | balrog-k1n | thought the opposite, less memory would be needed and less would be sold |
| 19:31.47 | balrog-k1n | and the price would go up :( |
| 19:33.44 | petruss_der_6 | why |
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| 19:34.37 | balrog-k1n | internet traffic would also be freed from all the people downloading the tarballs and we wouldn't have the super fast links we have today |
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| 19:36.22 | mwester | Monolithic kernel total size ~= base-kernel-size + sum(all-kernel-modules-in-distro) |
| 19:37.11 | mwester | Modular kernel total size ~= base-kernel-size + sum(set-of-typical-modules-in-distro + extra-modules-needed-for-this-system) |
| 19:37.28 | balrog-k1n | monolithic kernel suporting everything that's in the Neo or can be connected to it ~= 3MB |
| 19:37.37 | balrog-k1n | modular kernel + modules tarball ~= 30MB |
| 19:38.10 | mwester | A) perhaps there is a disagreement about what "can be connected to it" |
| 19:38.25 | kdean06 | Anyone built Frozen Bubble on a Neo device? Will it run? |
| 19:38.28 | mwester | B) if there are things in the tarball that cannot be connected to it, then the defconfig is wrong. |
| 19:38.52 | mwester | There's nothing wrong with modules -- but I concede that defconfig might be broken. |
| 19:40.00 | balrog-k1n | for example a scsi cdrom cannot be connected to it |
| 19:41.01 | balrog-k1n | mwester: there's nothing wrong except them being extremely un handy when you want to flash an older kernel but it won't boot and you need to reflash your newer kernel and download the modules and free 25MB on the rootfs and unpack the modules, and reflash the old kernel again |
| 19:41.03 | mwester | I'd have to double-check; arent' the scsi drivers used by the USB system. |
| 19:41.35 | mwester | If not, then clearly the defconfig is wrong and we shouldn't be compiling that as a module int eh first place. |
| 19:41.57 | mwester | Agreed about the debug stuff; a monolithic kernel is the way to go for that. |
| 19:47.31 | kukinchi | does openmoko supports flash lite? |
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| 19:51.49 | zash | kukinchi: flash lite? as in adobe flash? |
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| 19:55.52 | mjr | you can compile gnash on it... |
| 19:56.08 | mjr | I suppose that's lite with some definition of lite :] |
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| 20:07.38 | SpeedEvil | flash-intel, and qemu - flash heavy |
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| 20:08.57 | mjr | indeed very heavy, and the arm host support is reportedly only in "testing" |
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| 20:14.19 | wurp2|away | Thanks everyone: I got the checkfastcharge project on projects.openmoko.org sorted out, and thanks mmontour for the bitbake script |
| 20:14.34 | balrog-k1n | mjr: yup, but happens to work on the neo |
| 20:14.48 | balrog-k1n | also, swfdec > gnash |
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| 20:16.02 | wurp2|away | Does anyone know where to log bugs against projects.openmoko.org? |
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| 20:18.04 | zedstar_ | wurp2 in the tracker tab? i think i disabled that tab on mine tho |
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| 20:22.17 | wurp2|away | zedstar_: OK, thx |
| 20:23.13 | wurp2|away | zedstar_: Wait, that looks like it's for submitting bugs against my project |
| 20:23.25 | zedstar_ | wurp oh thought that was u wanted |
| 20:23.28 | wurp2|away | I want to submit a bug (documentation error) against the projects site itself |
| 20:23.34 | zedstar_ | ah! |
| 20:24.00 | wurp2|away | the scm page says you enter your password after entering your svn checkout comand |
| 20:24.05 | wurp2|away | s/comand/command/ |
| 20:24.16 | wurp2|away | but instead you have to upload your public key & wait an hour |
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| 21:28.01 | LionKMP | do you think this works on x86_64: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Openmoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr ? |
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| 21:29.08 | CM | LionKMP: It might now, but when I tried about a year ago I never got it to work |
| 21:29.46 | LionKMP | the compile commands contain "i486" in filenames. (MACHINE can be set to x86 only, not x86_64) |
| 21:30.30 | CM | Guess that should be fixed. Wonder where that i486 is set |
| 21:31.37 | LionKMP | openembedded/machines/x86.conf |
| 21:31.46 | LionKMP | TARGET_ARCH = "i486" |
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| 21:35.38 | LionKMP | I am able to run the gcc (--help) in build/tmp/cross/i486-angstrom-linux/bin on my x86_64 host anyway. |
| 21:36.46 | LionKMP | also in arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin |
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| 21:48.32 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke * rcdefc67ba634 10/src/server/server.pro: [qtopia] Build taskmanagerentry again, it is needed for receiving window |
| 21:48.35 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke * r5ebafa877689 10/src/server/ (server.pro standarddevicefeatures.cpp): [server] Disable more code, the cameramonitor is now gone |
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| 22:03.14 | cb22 | morphs into a sad little emo :( |
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| 22:11.14 | brian_ | yay |
| 22:12.33 | brian_ | independence day has an additional meaning this year |
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| 22:17.41 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r1be30e75a78f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Stable kernel upgrade |
| 22:17.42 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc1d7986cbcd8 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [qtopia] Qtopia upgrade. Various server changes, fix the installpic script |
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| 23:16.50 | CVirus | Aren't we getting the videos of the FreeRunner crash tests ? |
| 23:17.24 | abraxa_ | Maybe they didn't go too well ;) |
| 23:17.53 | CVirus | I still wanna see those |
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| 23:28.11 | holycow | oh my is the mailing list chatty |
| 23:28.23 | holycow | that vga question has people all in arms |
| 23:28.24 | holycow | heh |
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