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| 00:18.48 | linuxxr | Openmoko has eliminated the need for a non-free GPS device driver so Freerunner users can now make use of GPS features without comprimising the integrity of their devices. |
| 00:19.08 | linuxxr | how so? |
| 00:19.32 | SpeedEvil | Spin - largely IMO. |
| 00:19.44 | mmontour | Freerunner switched to a GPS chip that doesn't require a binary driver to run on the host CPU. |
| 00:19.58 | SpeedEvil | wishes for a different history. |
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| 00:20.01 | kukinchi | hi |
| 00:20.25 | SpeedEvil | Where HH docs had been available, or the reverse engineering had worked before the announce. |
| 00:20.27 | kukinchi | can i make python apps for openmoko as for symbian? |
| 00:20.46 | SpeedEvil | you cna make python apps |
| 00:20.56 | SpeedEvil | I can't address 'as for symbian' |
| 00:21.05 | SpeedEvil | google pyroute openmoko |
| 00:21.15 | kukinchi | cool thanks |
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| 03:52.31 | aggtrfrad | so many people here... |
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| 03:53.04 | aggtrfrad | so how does the flux capasitor for the free runner goes? |
| 03:53.18 | aggtrfrad | still under heavy development i gues |
| 03:53.39 | Sonicadvance1 | Doesn't help that I kicked it down a flight of stairs |
| 03:56.03 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03jeremy * r4476 10/developers/jeremy/maniac/src/maniac.c: |
| 03:56.03 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 2008-06-05 Jeremy Chang <jeremy@openmoko.com> |
| 03:56.03 | CIA-43 | openmoko: * Implement the function of specifying limited area to test maniac. |
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| 03:59.13 | raster | moo |
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| 04:11.42 | mwester | oink |
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| 04:40.06 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 04:44.09 | xaid | good morning. |
| 04:44.30 | flash23 | hi |
| 04:44.36 | xaid | the front page of openmoko.com looks promising :) |
| 04:45.15 | CVirus | yeah :-D |
| 04:45.56 | CVirus | is this big picture clickable ? |
| 04:46.21 | xaid | it will be at some point, but right now it doesn't do anything :/ |
| 04:46.50 | CVirus | i see |
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| 05:22.42 | Atul | I was unable to compile my Gtk+ project using standalone make file It gives me error message like "Cross compile badness" |
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| 05:32.08 | MouseBerry | hello,any use GpsDrive in openmoko? |
| 05:32.08 | MouseBerry | hello,anyone use GpsDrive in openmoko? |
| 05:32.08 | MouseBerry | i think tangoGps's map is very simple and crude, i want to change maps |
| 05:32.08 | MouseBerry | maybe can use google map |
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| 05:34.47 | cb22 | say, would it be legal under their TOS to show google maps in a browser window, and using javascript, display your position? |
| 05:36.24 | MouseBerry | google maps download local from internet before use it |
| 05:36.58 | cb22 | yeah, but thats not really allowed |
| 05:40.26 | MouseBerry | i want to know if GpsDrive can be used in openmoko? |
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| 06:27.40 | tomboy64 | xaid: could you spare some time? |
| 06:29.25 | tomboy64 | xaid: i have libsdl-mixer failing because of /usr/lib/libc.a being "incompatible"/"not recognized" http://rafb.net/p/FySIPO42.html |
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| 07:45.08 | ScaredyCat | !logs |
| 07:45.10 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 07:45.11 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 07:45.12 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 07:45.13 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 07:45.15 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
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| 08:07.59 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * rc2d54e2ae78a 10/odeviced/src/ (helpers.vala service.vala): added get dev_name helper function |
| 08:08.00 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r7fa1328fd4fd 10/odeviced/plugins/backlight/ (backlight.c backlight.conf): device specific configuration for backlight plugin now |
| 08:15.24 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rdc93a233186e 10/packages/gypsy/gypsy_svn.bb: [gypsy] needs DEPEND libxslt-native for xsltproc executable |
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| 08:45.14 | NEUR0M4NCER | Any more updates? |
| 08:45.55 | ScaredyCat | shop has been updated |
| 08:46.26 | NEUR0M4NCER | Yeah - the link doesn't go anywhere though - y'think that means they're nearly ready? |
| 08:46.28 | ScaredyCat | s/shop/om org site |
| 08:46.34 | ScaredyCat | wonders |
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| 08:47.33 | tomboy64 | hehehe : sec_error_revoked_certificate |
| 08:48.06 | tomboy64 | wonders why site admins apparently can't manage to get a decent certificate setup |
| 08:48.21 | tomboy64 | sometimes they use a root ca that's nowhere listed |
| 08:48.27 | NEUR0M4NCER | Strange, isn't it? |
| 08:48.40 | tomboy64 | sometimes it's only www.site.com and site.com is left out ... |
| 08:49.04 | ScaredyCat | !ombug 3949 |
| 08:49.08 | thomasg__ | www. sucks |
| 08:49.12 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 3949, Status: Unknown Error () |
| 08:49.22 | ScaredyCat | !ombug 1039 |
| 08:49.30 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 1039, Status: Unknown Error () |
| 08:49.34 | ScaredyCat | hrrm |
| 08:49.48 | zash | back-in-the-day called, they want their www. back |
| 08:50.36 | tomboy64 | sighs |
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| 08:50.50 | zash | www.blah.tld is an alias for blah.tld. |
| 08:51.37 | ScaredyCat | not always... |
| 08:51.48 | ScaredyCat | in fact you need to configgle it. |
| 08:52.00 | SpeedEvil | annoyingly uncommonly |
| 08:52.12 | ScaredyCat | (unless using some hosting services which tend to do it for you) |
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| 08:52.44 | tomboy64 | ScaredyCat: well, that's part of the work as a site-admin, isn't it? |
| 08:52.46 | ScaredyCat | when did the move from bugzilla to trac happen? |
| 08:53.04 | tomboy64 | to configgle it properly, especially if you wanna sell something |
| 08:53.27 | ScaredyCat | tomboy64: yes - but assuming that www.blah.net is the same as blah.net is wrong |
| 08:53.44 | ScaredyCat | it doesn;t need to be, but *can* be. |
| 08:53.49 | tomboy64 | exactly that's why certs fail then and it shows a warning |
| 08:53.58 | tomboy64 | but for the end-user it's dangerous |
| 08:54.19 | tomboy64 | cause they get accustomed to "just click ok" and it disappears |
| 08:54.19 | zash | worked at a place where they had no A record for blah.tld |
| 08:54.19 | ScaredyCat | that's cos they tried to do it on the cheap or weren't sure how they'd do it. |
| 08:55.18 | ScaredyCat | same goes for planet too... somone insists on using https for their blog feed but doesn;t extend the courtesy of paying for the proper cert. |
| 08:55.36 | SpeedEvil | As an example, http://lidl.co.uk/ |
| 08:55.38 | madwoota | just like direct.om.org :P |
| 08:55.43 | SpeedEvil | no worky. |
| 08:55.49 | SpeedEvil | needs the www |
| 08:55.56 | SpeedEvil | stabs. |
| 08:56.12 | ScaredyCat | that's perfectly valid SpeedEvil. |
| 08:56.15 | SpeedEvil | I know |
| 08:56.22 | SpeedEvil | It's also a bit silly. |
| 08:56.38 | ScaredyCat | depends on how you look at it... |
| 08:56.39 | tomboy64 | http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/technology_news/4253095.html <--- could someone tell that guy to investigate properly before writing an article? |
| 08:56.50 | tomboy64 | and the worst: it's on om's frontpage! |
| 08:57.03 | ScaredyCat | tomboy64: investigate? on a blog? are you serious? |
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| 08:57.35 | tomboy64 | that's a news site |
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| 08:58.18 | SpeedEvil | tomboy64: what's actually incorrect in that? |
| 08:59.00 | SpeedEvil | tomboy64: You can make a case with any of the rapid proto machines. Yes, it will be heavy and large due to mechanical strength/flexure of the polymers involved in most. |
| 09:00.03 | tomboy64 | uhm |
| 09:00.48 | zedstar_ | OpenMoko, the Taiwanese manufacturer of the as-yet-unreleased, Linux-based touchscreen Neo 1973 cellphone...... |
| 09:00.51 | tomboy64 | in the first paragraph alone: android is afaik not open-source, openmoko is the distro, not the company |
| 09:00.59 | zedstar_ | well that is kinda wrong at least :) |
| 09:01.06 | tomboy64 | fic's the company |
| 09:01.14 | zash | tomboy64: om is a company too |
| 09:01.15 | tomboy64 | or the manufacturer |
| 09:01.16 | zedstar_ | the neo was released |
| 09:01.17 | tomboy64 | yeah |
| 09:01.35 | tomboy64 | the software company, the manufacturer is still fic |
| 09:02.11 | zash | and fic spawned om |
| 09:02.12 | zash | -ish |
| 09:02.12 | ScaredyCat | well, Andriod is not oss , om is both, fic is the parent, it is unreleased as a complete item (you the average joe) |
| 09:02.35 | ScaredyCat | /s/you/for/ |
| 09:03.29 | zash | wut |
| 09:03.34 | zash | s/wut/what |
| 09:03.46 | zash | s/$/\// |
| 09:03.54 | tomboy64 | = for a tech-news-website the article is badly investigated. |
| 09:04.06 | tomboy64 | s/zash/nospam/ :-D |
| 09:04.35 | zash | s/s/noo/ |
| 09:04.58 | ScaredyCat | it's also 2 months old |
| 09:05.18 | ScaredyCat | s/zash// |
| 09:05.50 | zash | s/n/m/ |
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| 09:11.00 | SpeedEvil | Maybe I have low expectations of accuracy in the media. |
| 09:13.53 | Daedeloth2 | so, does the second version support wifi? |
| 09:16.33 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 09:17.15 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: you know when the media talk about somehting you know about, and they get it all wrong and you get pissed off etc... |
| 09:17.54 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: yes - I'm just grateful at this point they don't say it's an apple product with windows on, with a holographic keyboard. |
| 09:17.55 | ScaredyCat | that's what it's like ALL the time. |
| 09:21.13 | tomboy64 | :( |
| 09:21.16 | tomboy64 | it isn't? |
| 09:21.21 | tomboy64 | starts crying |
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| 09:24.20 | Daedeloth2 | what's wrong with the media? :) |
| 09:24.39 | Daedeloth2 | also, I want to ask again, why is the american version a lot cheaper then the european version? |
| 09:25.05 | zash | it is? |
| 09:25.07 | zash | isnt that the taxes |
| 09:25.44 | Daedeloth2 | pretty sure it's not the taxes |
| 09:25.46 | ScaredyCat | the media is a sack o shite. |
| 09:26.20 | ScaredyCat | the EU has regulations which mean you have to pay for things like disposal |
| 09:26.38 | Daedeloth2 | yes... but if I remember right it was about 35% price difference... |
| 09:26.52 | ScaredyCat | everything you buy now needs weee stuff and crap like that. |
| 09:27.08 | ScaredyCat | plus there are regs about replacements n stuff |
| 09:27.23 | Daedeloth2 | so I have to order the usa version and make a friend ship it to me? ;-) |
| 09:27.37 | ScaredyCat | I saw a price of 350 eur (possibly 299) |
| 09:27.53 | ScaredyCat | plus the dollar has tanked |
| 09:28.21 | ScaredyCat | !google convert 1 usd to eur |
| 09:28.23 | cdbot2 | 1 U.S. dollar = 0.648424329 Euros |
| 09:28.30 | ScaredyCat | !google convert 1 usd to gbp |
| 09:28.30 | cdbot2 | 1 U.S. dollar = 0.51266277 British pounds |
| 09:29.04 | tomboy64 | Daedeloth2: hehehe you don't want that ... |
| 09:29.27 | tomboy64 | Daedeloth2: add another 30% for imports cause of takes and shipping costs |
| 09:29.32 | ScaredyCat | the us version operates on different gsm frequencies |
| 09:29.33 | ScaredyCat | no? |
| 09:29.43 | Daedeloth2 | tomboy64: it's a "gift" ;-) |
| 09:29.43 | tomboy64 | oh, that's the other thing |
| 09:29.53 | Daedeloth2 | ScaredyCat: don't think so :/ |
| 09:30.06 | ScaredyCat | gifts are a taxable benefit :) |
| 09:30.11 | tomboy64 | Daedeloth2: if it's new you still have to pay taxes. customs don't care about "gifts" |
| 09:30.21 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * re21a88cf6a35 10/odeviced/plugins/backlight/backlight.conf: change sysfs node |
| 09:30.24 | ScaredyCat | I thought the quad band was really only triband at any one time |
| 09:30.38 | XorA | ScaredyCat: that is the case |
| 09:30.44 | Daedeloth2 | tomboy64: so I'll make sure it's opened and scratched ;-) |
| 09:30.50 | tomboy64 | -.- |
| 09:30.54 | tomboy64 | oh my |
| 09:30.54 | ScaredyCat | and it's not user upgradable, right? |
| 09:31.07 | XorA | ScaredyCat: no, there is data in the modem which is band dependant |
| 09:31.50 | tomboy64 | XorA: would you have some time to have a look at libsdl-mixer? |
| 09:31.58 | SpeedEvil | XorA: not data - hardware |
| 09:31.59 | XorA | tomboy64: nope |
| 09:32.01 | Daedeloth2 | so you can't use the usa version in europe?! |
| 09:32.09 | tomboy64 | a pity :( |
| 09:32.09 | XorA | SpeedEvil: and calabration data |
| 09:32.12 | SpeedEvil | danilos: you can - but it won't work some places |
| 09:32.28 | SpeedEvil | XorA: sure - but the hardware isn't easily upgradable |
| 09:32.33 | SpeedEvil | daed: |
| 09:32.39 | Daedeloth2 | are there places that don't support dual or tripple? |
| 09:32.51 | SpeedEvil | Daedeloth2: in the EU, 900MHz is required some places, as in the US 850 is |
| 09:33.03 | SpeedEvil | Many places are dual frequency. |
| 09:33.15 | Daedeloth2 | oh, so the usa version has 850 and the europe version has 900? |
| 09:33.20 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 09:33.38 | Daedeloth2 | why can't they just use all the 4 frequencies? |
| 09:33.39 | XorA | you will get better results with a US in .eu if you use a SIM that is roaming than one that is local |
| 09:33.47 | SpeedEvil | Daedeloth2: specification problems |
| 09:34.03 | SpeedEvil | Daedeloth2: it was initially specified as a triband |
| 09:34.14 | SpeedEvil | Daedeloth2: though the software people thought it was quad |
| 09:34.54 | Daedeloth2 | neat. |
| 09:35.11 | XorA | communication problems |
| 09:35.29 | XorA | at least the phone works in 99% of the worlds surface, lets just ignore the yanks :-) |
| 09:35.57 | Daedeloth2 | hehe :) |
| 09:36.10 | tomboy64 | good plan :-D |
| 09:36.19 | tomboy64 | all your mokos belong to us |
| 09:36.47 | Daedeloth2 | so I can be pretty sure I won't have this phone below 250 euro... damn. I like open source things |
| 09:38.58 | ScaredyCat | unlikely... |
| 09:39.03 | ScaredyCat | unless you steal one |
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| 09:41.37 | tomboy64 | bad plan |
| 09:42.31 | Daedeloth2 | developers don't get one for free I guess? ;-) |
| 09:43.04 | ScaredyCat | that would be expensive... |
| 09:43.10 | ScaredyCat | it's a developer device :) |
| 09:45.22 | SpeedEvil | mv clit /usr/src |
| 09:45.24 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 09:46.04 | ScaredyCat | errm |
| 09:46.10 | SpeedEvil | 'convert lit' |
| 09:46.24 | SpeedEvil | http://www.convertlit.com/download.php |
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| 09:56.47 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: eherm. |
| 09:57.51 | balrog-kun | illegal e-books, huh |
| 09:58.23 | ScaredyCat | balrog-kun: he's playing with his robot girlfriend again. ;) |
| 09:59.03 | ScaredyCat | not if he's purchased them surely |
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| 10:00.20 | Daedeloth2 | what format does that amazon reader use by the way? |
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| 10:00.46 | balrog-kun | he would have purchased pdf's i'm sure :p |
| 10:05.07 | tomboy64 | btw |
| 10:05.16 | tomboy64 | is there an e-book-reader for the om? |
| 10:08.25 | XorA | there is evince |
| 10:08.53 | XorA | and fbreader |
| 10:09.39 | flexd | Hmmm |
| 10:09.43 | flexd | someone give me a new project |
| 10:09.48 | flexd | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.52 | flexd | I want to make something |
| 10:10.05 | flexd | to learn more ruby on rails, but i have no ideas for a project |
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| 10:11.35 | ScaredyCat | how about an app to aggrgate your favourite pr0n sites? |
| 10:17.33 | tomboy64 | flexd: how about designing some software for public transportation? |
| 10:18.59 | flexd | a. woops, thought i wrote this in another channel :/ b. Yeah maybe, i was thinking about that for when i get my freerunner |
| 10:19.32 | tomboy64 | e.g. some kinda route-planner with an xml-database with option for converting it to a compressed binary format later on |
| 10:19.34 | flexd | The busses around here have a GPS system that says which stop is next, and on the stops there is a real time estimated time of arrival. |
| 10:19.40 | tomboy64 | here, too |
| 10:19.50 | flexd | I was thinking of "copying" that, making a system of my own on my phone. |
| 10:20.01 | tomboy64 | me, too |
| 10:20.14 | flexd | Not entirely sure how to implement it though |
| 10:20.21 | tomboy64 | i've done some work on the xml-schema on my other computer yet |
| 10:20.25 | flexd | but im thinking either Python or C++ is the way to go |
| 10:20.33 | tomboy64 | the plans should be displayed as svg |
| 10:20.49 | tomboy64 | i'd say for om it must be a compiled lang |
| 10:20.49 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: eherm. |
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| 10:21.21 | flexd | tomboy64: why? Python runs excellent on the phones? |
| 10:21.28 | cb22 | ls |
| 10:21.35 | flexd | It even comes already installed doesnt it? |
| 10:21.39 | tomboy64 | flexd: there's still speed/memory overhead. |
| 10:21.52 | flexd | hmmm |
| 10:22.01 | flexd | I havent done anything in C++ in a long while though |
| 10:22.05 | tomboy64 | :) |
| 10:22.11 | flexd | and never any Qt stuff :) |
| 10:22.11 | tomboy64 | i thought about learning ada on this project |
| 10:22.14 | flexd | But we'll see. |
| 10:22.18 | tomboy64 | and integrating it with navit |
| 10:22.34 | flexd | Im just hoping compiling/transfering stuff over doesnt take a long time, i want to try stuff instantly after building |
| 10:22.44 | tomboy64 | like "i'm here now. how do i get there asap. and i don't wanna use subways, the weather's too nice for that." |
| 10:22.53 | flexd | hmm |
| 10:22.58 | flexd | with maps and such? |
| 10:23.14 | flexd | Thats a bit more advanced than what i had in mind for my first draft |
| 10:23.16 | flexd | but maybe |
| 10:23.19 | flexd | I was just thinking |
| 10:23.21 | tomboy64 | hehehe |
| 10:23.22 | flexd | I'm here |
| 10:23.25 | flexd | I have 5 spots in a list |
| 10:23.47 | flexd | Which is closest in the direction im moving, how far away is it? and how long will it take me to get there. |
| 10:23.55 | flexd | And what is the designated name for that spot |
| 10:24.34 | tomboy64 | yeah |
| 10:25.05 | flexd | Then i'd just add in the coordinates for the bus stop, and make it so "we're here" when its 5-10m away from that spot (to be able to have some margins) |
| 10:25.26 | flexd | or something, havent really given it any thought lately as im not taking the bus during the summer :p |
| 10:25.35 | tomboy64 | and i'd like to implement stuff like "changing lines as little as possible", "be there asap", "use bus/rails/underground as much as possible" |
| 10:25.46 | flexd | mhm |
| 10:26.02 | tomboy64 | plus the local public service company gives out maps of the stations |
| 10:26.20 | flexd | ah |
| 10:26.24 | tomboy64 | so i'd thought it a nice feat if the map appeared on the screen with the way shown on it - or a little description |
| 10:26.48 | tomboy64 | cause at big stations (namely alexanderplatz here in berlin) you really have to look for your direction ... |
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| 10:28.13 | flexd | basically http://www.trafikanten.no/grafikk/sis_pres_web01.swf |
| 10:28.42 | LionKMP | Hi! Do you know why everything is black in my MokoMakefile based build: http://lion.xaraya.hu/qemu-moko1.png and it works very slow (if at all). |
| 10:28.51 | LionKMP | noob |
| 10:30.17 | flexd | tomboy64: i guess if you can add routes and stuff yeah |
| 10:30.21 | flexd | LionKMP: QEmu is always slow. |
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| 10:32.36 | LionKMP | and black? |
| 10:32.36 | flexd | that link is in norwegian though, but you get the idea :p |
| 10:32.44 | flexd | Im not sure, not that familiar with it |
| 10:33.58 | tomboy64 | it's the same over here |
| 10:34.06 | tomboy64 | but i'd like to add functionality |
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| 11:34.26 | Moniker42 | this neo 1973 that's available on the openmoko.com site... |
| 11:34.35 | Moniker42 | does it have the same hardware specs as the gta02? |
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| 11:37.26 | SpeedEvil | what site? |
| 11:38.12 | SpeedEvil | that's sold out |
| 11:38.50 | SpeedEvil | boggles |
| 11:38.55 | SpeedEvil | There is no notice? |
| 11:39.07 | SpeedEvil | You have to click through to 'buy now' to get a notice? |
| 11:39.10 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 11:39.26 | Moniker42 | invalid security certificate for me |
| 11:39.30 | Moniker42 | meh |
| 11:39.46 | SpeedEvil | yeah - if you ignore that. |
| 11:40.13 | SpeedEvil | What sort of cheap-ass site doesn't buy proper certs is my normal thought on encountering those. |
| 11:40.42 | Moniker42 | same people that still haven't released a phone nearly a year after they said they would? :) |
| 11:41.15 | SpeedEvil | the phone was available from July-Nov or so |
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| 11:42.36 | [BrunoCardoso] | nice |
| 11:43.21 | [BrunoCardoso] | we get some %Off to buy 5 or more? |
| 11:43.48 | madwoota | been lurking for 18months ... waiting ... |
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| 11:50.26 | buz | any swiss around? |
| 11:50.47 | emonkey | yes |
| 11:51.51 | emonkey | buz, but I'm leaving for lunch right now |
| 11:51.57 | buz | no hurry |
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| 12:18.15 | ScaredyCat | if youclick 'shop' it tells you |
| 12:20.49 | ScaredyCat | gah! stupid scrolly window |
| 12:21.09 | SpeedEvil | but not if you click products |
| 12:22.23 | ScaredyCat | yes, I suppose they could get rid of the buy it now button |
| 12:24.17 | SpeedEvil | And delete stuff from 'products' that you can't actually buy. |
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| 12:40.35 | jamasi | SpeedEvil, I think a CAcert cert is totally ok for an open source centered product. |
| 12:43.17 | rwhitby | I trust CAcert more than I trust Verisign ... |
| 12:44.57 | jamasi | I agree. |
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| 13:10.37 | flexd | drools at the phone videos |
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| 13:18.02 | Moniker42 | flexd, link? |
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| 13:23.31 | flexd | Moniker42: No link |
| 13:23.38 | flexd | I just want a freerunner bad :p |
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| 13:34.46 | Yorick932 | Hi everyone |
| 13:35.06 | Yorick932 | I thought Steve was going to be testing the phones by now, has there been an update i missed? |
| 13:36.30 | Maxiosu | uhh yeah, there was a video by his kids remember? :P |
| 13:36.54 | Yorick932 | yeah, I know, that was a long time ago, but the community updates state |
| 13:37.25 | Yorick932 | "best case is I would start to test phones around the first of june." |
| 13:37.47 | Maxiosu | there's production updates that say "the factory knocked us back again, try again next week?" |
| 13:38.33 | Yorick932 | :( |
| 13:39.04 | SpeedEvil | And one that says 'Today was not an auspicious date to start production, according to the factory astrologer'. |
| 13:39.22 | Yorick932 | :) |
| 13:39.32 | Yorick932 | that funny message i didn't find on the lists :) |
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| 13:40.06 | Yorick932 | my current phone is already decomposing for a few weeks, so I hope the yield will be good enough this time |
| 13:40.31 | Yorick932 | i'm beginning to feel like a necrophiliac when i try to send a text message... |
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| 13:40.44 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 13:40.50 | SpeedEvil | what's wrong with it? |
| 13:41.05 | Maxiosu | haha yeah. mines got plastic fallen off and the keys have no letters left on them. |
| 13:41.07 | Yorick932 | too cheap and too old :) |
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| 13:41.50 | Yorick932 | keypresses are 50% of the time not recognised, sometimes he alteress my ringtone without me knowing about it, and he just doesn't ring/vibrate when he's lazy |
| 13:42.40 | Yorick932 | not that we are sure the freerunner with the original software will be better :-D |
| 13:42.44 | ||Leto|| | talking bout nokia? |
| 13:42.55 | Yorick932 | no, Siemens |
| 13:43.15 | tomboy64 | oh |
| 13:43.35 | tomboy64 | mhmm |
| 13:43.49 | tomboy64 | had both the c25 and the me45 back in the old days |
| 13:43.56 | tomboy64 | when phones were still sturdy |
| 13:44.15 | tomboy64 | both lasted an eternity while nokias broke all around me |
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| 13:44.40 | Yorick932 | m55 here, it's damn uglu with all those flashing lights, lookes like a badly tuned car |
| 13:44.56 | Yorick932 | haha |
| 13:45.36 | Yorick932 | when i typed that, my computer speakers had interference of my gsm, and the red leds lighted up!! but i didn't recieve a call or an sms :d |
| 13:45.57 | Yorick932 | it's become sentient |
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| 13:46.54 | Yorick932 | with A.I. comes stubbornness and laziness |
| 13:47.28 | tomboy64 | there's only one solution: |
| 13:47.30 | tomboy64 | spank it! |
| 13:47.42 | Daedeloth2 | you can always use it as a football... |
| 13:48.00 | Yorick932 | i will smash it against the wall when my freerunner arrives :) (after taking out the sim) |
| 13:48.09 | Daedeloth2 | freerunner? |
| 13:48.16 | Daedeloth2 | ah, it's called the freerunner. |
| 13:48.30 | Daedeloth2 | I probably have to stop calling it "that opensource cellphone" |
| 13:48.39 | Yorick932 | :) |
| 13:48.55 | Yorick932 | I'm gonna call it "Edward" |
| 13:49.12 | Daedeloth2 | what's a moko anyway? |
| 13:49.20 | Daedeloth2 | mobile... |
| 13:49.28 | Yorick932 | (hope voice recognition comes soon so i can adress him by his name) |
| 13:49.30 | Daedeloth2 | kone? |
| 13:49.34 | tomboy64 | kommunication |
| 13:49.45 | tomboy64 | (they wanted to be kool :-D) |
| 13:49.51 | Daedeloth2 | what's wrong with openmoco then? |
| 13:49.59 | Yorick932 | moko is some tattoo from the maories |
| 13:50.00 | tomboy64 | it's not cool |
| 13:50.00 | Daedeloth2 | it's not german, is it? |
| 13:50.07 | tomboy64 | nope |
| 13:50.08 | Yorick932 | nee, taiwanese |
| 13:50.10 | tomboy64 | english |
| 13:50.16 | Daedeloth2 | it is brittish? |
| 13:50.19 | ohin | moko - mobile knockout? |
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| 13:50.42 | Yorick932 | moko is a tattoo of the maories (they live in new-zeeland) |
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| 13:51.05 | Daedeloth2 | so we pay over 250 euro for a tattoo... which is open... |
| 13:51.21 | Yorick932 | and monstrously komplex |
| 13:51.28 | Daedeloth2 | this better be twice as good as the iphone... |
| 13:51.44 | Yorick932 | i would say we pay over 300euro's :) |
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| 13:51.54 | Daedeloth2 | hush. I'm blocking that out of my mind. |
| 13:51.55 | ohin | http://www.hero.ac.uk/resources/I_To_moko_go_300.jpg |
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| 13:52.12 | Daedeloth2 | this guy is going to order a USA version. |
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| 13:52.18 | Yorick932 | that is ne ugly **** |
| 13:52.37 | Daedeloth2 | brb, break ;-) |
| 13:52.50 | ohin | and this is how whole openmoko team looks like: http://www.arts.usyd.edu.au/publications/philament/images/issue%205/Fig.1_ta%20moko.jpg |
| 13:52.52 | ohin | ;-) |
| 13:52.53 | Yorick932 | usa versions are 850 band |
| 13:53.13 | Yorick932 | lol |
| 13:53.34 | Atul | mbuf : While compiling gtk based amc code gives error "CROSS COMPILE Badness" sounds like project unablet to get gtk path Any Idea ? |
| 13:55.44 | Yorick932 | correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought a 850MHz band gsm (USA) cannot work on a 900Mhz band (Europe) |
| 13:56.05 | ohin | you are right |
| 13:56.19 | ohin | that is the reason, why there are two types of freerunner |
| 13:56.38 | ohin | 850 and 900MHz for USA and rest of the world |
| 13:56.39 | Yorick932 | yeah but daedeloth2 was saying he was going to order a USA version |
| 13:57.05 | Yorick932 | well, maybe he lives in latin america or some other country that uses 850 |
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| 13:58.33 | Yorick932 | anyway, let's all hope the FreeRunner/Edward is gonna hit the shelves soon (my money is getting impatient) |
| 13:59.19 | ohin | and money is disappearing :-( |
| 13:59.22 | Moniker42 | end of the year, i thought |
| 13:59.23 | ohin | *my money |
| 14:02.09 | anrp | vaguely remembers that... last year |
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| 14:04.08 | Daedeloth2 | I don't care much about that 900Mhz frequency, I'm going to use the 1800 anyway |
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| 14:05.30 | Daedeloth2 | also, there must be some way to flash the modem ;-) |
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| 14:09.06 | mass_stor | i am building openmoko image (reason: to enable the mass storage in d FIC neo 101 mobile). I hav got an error http://www.pastebin.org/40806. I m building as a normal user and my distro is: Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.23.1-42.fc8 #1 SMP Tue Oct 30 13:05:10 EDT 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux. Wat s d error? |
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| 14:52.24 | cb22 | hmm, reprap news |
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| 14:58.23 | wurp2|away | mmmm, reprap |
| 15:01.17 | cb22 | wants one |
| 15:06.17 | fenfir | reprap ftw, i'm halfway done with mine |
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| 15:18.02 | wurp2 | fenfir: Awesome! |
| 15:18.09 | wurp2 | fenfir: How much did you spend on parts? |
| 15:18.43 | wurp2 | The number I see going around is $400, but I think that assumes that you know someone to make the reprapable parts |
| 15:20.13 | wurp2 | And how much time have you invested to get halfway done... |
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| 15:25.34 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r2975ffa473b9 10/conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc: [diversity] Set diversity-nav and diversity-daemon as AUTOREV |
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| 15:29.17 | liwei | i opkg install a gpsdrive but i couldn't start it in my gta02 |
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| 15:29.43 | fenfir | i got lucky and the cartesian robot part i found in a dumpster, so i'm only in for about 50$ right now |
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| 15:32.02 | wurp2 | fenfir: Wow!! |
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| 15:32.49 | wurp2 | liwei: What kind of error? |
| 15:33.04 | wurp2 | liwei: Not many ppl here will be able to help you with gps on an 02, I don't think |
| 15:33.16 | wurp2 | liwei: Since almost no one has an 02, and the gps is different from 01 |
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| 15:34.46 | wurp2 | fenfir: So do you really think you'll build it for <$150... |
| 15:35.04 | wurp2 | fenfir: And do you have a source to get the reprapable parts for free-ish? |
| 15:36.00 | fenfir | wurp2: i'm hoping it'll bel <150, but i really don't know i haven't had much time to devote to it lately. |
| 15:36.51 | fenfir | wurp2: i do not have a source for the reprapable parts. |
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| 15:37.17 | fenfir | wurp2: iirc there were some people on the forums that would do them at cost |
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| 15:37.29 | mib_t9l3xh | I m building openmoko kernel using moko makefile in fedora(but getting to many errors currently got an errror bcos of SELinux). I was suggested by one my of co-worker to try the same building in Ubuntu or Suse distro. So i would like to know if i can proceed building in fedora? |
| 15:38.06 | wurp2 | fenfir: OK, I'll stop bugging you about offtopic stuff now. Thanks for a little insight into the process |
| 15:38.48 | wurp2 | mib_t9l3xh: I know that the process used to work in some versions of some distributions, but not in others without a lot of work |
| 15:38.53 | liwei_ | hello,anyone use gpsdrive? |
| 15:39.30 | wurp2 | mib_t9l3xh: If I were you I would try a live cd of other distros & see if they save enough effort to be worth it |
| 15:40.04 | mib_t9l3xh | wurp2:some distributions? |
| 15:40.17 | mib_t9l3xh | wurp2: some distros?? |
| 15:40.58 | wurp2 | mib_t9l3xh: e.g. I had gcc assembler version troubles with Ubuntu Hardy, but I know some people were building fine with other versions of Ubuntu |
| 15:41.49 | wurp2 | mib_t9l3xh: Honestly, I tried about 15 times split betwee Ubuntu Hardy and debian 3.something before I gave up doing MokoMakefile |
| 15:42.00 | wurp2 | Do you have a reason to prefer mokomake to the toolchain? |
| 15:42.44 | wurp2 | (and I should mention that I do sw dev professionally, and have for many years. On the other hand, I never devoted more than a few hours brain time to getting the build to work) |
| 15:43.01 | wurp2 | a few hours thinking required to get a build working is a few hours - 30 minutes too much |
| 15:43.47 | mib_t9l3xh | wurp2: Actually i m building openmoko using makefile to make my FIC-neo101 act in mass storage mode? No other preferences. I found no other way to do that... |
| 15:44.14 | mib_t9l3xh | Ok how long did it take for u to build? |
| 15:44.46 | wurp2 | well, I never did build completely |
| 15:44.53 | wurp2 | The build is supposed to take about 12 hrs I think |
| 15:45.03 | wurp2 | Mine never ran for more than about 4 before dying for one reason or another |
| 15:45.33 | wurp2 | mib_t9l3xh: Can't you compile http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/file_storage.html for the neo using the toolchain? |
| 15:46.52 | mib_t9l3xh | My building process has completed 600/6400 tasks. K but the also i hav to rmmod g_ether but the current openmoko images hav statically binded the driver int the kernel... |
| 15:47.54 | mib_t9l3xh | wurp2: My building process has completed 600/6400 tasks. K but the also i hav to rmmod g_ether but the current openmoko images hav statically binded the driver int the kernel... |
| 15:48.51 | wurp2 | mib_t9l3xh: agh. I see. |
| 15:49.25 | wurp2 | mib_t9l3xh: If you continue to have trouble, you might ask on the list if someone with a working environment can compile the kernel for you w/o the driver |
| 15:49.44 | wurp2 | I would think people might pitch in to get a mass storage mode working on the neo |
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| 15:51.20 | BBishop | wonders how much would it take on his 2xquad xeon 8x500g raid50 sata2 drives :X |
| 15:51.27 | mib_t9l3xh | wurp2: k if i get the image without the g_ether statically binded, how can i use the toolcahin to get the g_file_storage module? (so that i could use it if get an image lik tat...) |
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| 15:52.19 | BBishop | gentoo took me about 2 hours .. I doubt moko will take me 12 .. |
| 15:53.08 | abraxa_ | BBishop: It will. You'll run into build errors you'll have to fix ;) |
| 15:53.38 | anrp | oh ye of little faith |
| 15:54.05 | BBishop | well .. that shouldn't happen ! |
| 15:56.01 | mib_t9l3xh | BBishop: 12 hours? how long it took for you to build openmoko kernel? did u use any specialized system for the build? |
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| 15:56.38 | cb22 | BBishop: depends what xeons :p |
| 15:56.45 | mmontour | A full "make openmoko-devel-image" takes under 3h on my new PC. It took about 32h on the one I used before that. |
| 15:57.21 | woglinde | mmontour *g* |
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| 15:58.35 | mib_t9l3xh | mmontour: 3h can i know ur sys config? I m using laptop with AMD turion and 1GB ram... how long it might tak for me? |
| 15:59.18 | BBishop | cb22, quad xeons :P 2 x quad ! :D |
| 15:59.23 | BBishop | and tons of ram |
| 15:59.56 | cb22 | BBishop: thats gonna be my new system in a month :) |
| 15:59.59 | mmontour | The fast one is a Core 2 Duo 3GHz, 8G RAM, 2x 750G hard drives. The slow one is a Via C7 1.2 GHz, 512M RAM, 1T HD (my MythTV box) |
| 16:01.03 | cb22 | those and a 9800gtx, for only $1000 O-o |
| 16:01.15 | BBishop | I have it for like 6 months now :D 2 quad core xeons .. 8x500G in raid 50 sata 2 drives ( dedicated raid controller ) .. 8G ram .. intel from top to bottom :) |
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| 16:01.51 | anrp | multicore/multiproc makes sense for building large projects |
| 16:01.57 | anrp | assuming dependancy information is available |
| 16:02.12 | anrp | compiling is pretty much embarassingly parallelizable |
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| 16:04.56 | cb22 | anrp: as, so all those cores can actually do something? i just wanted to 1-up my friends with quad cores :p |
| 16:05.20 | SpeedEvil | The freerunner has 7 cores. |
| 16:05.38 | cb22 | yeah, but the bus bandiwdth to each of them is 7mbps |
| 16:05.59 | SpeedEvil | or less |
| 16:06.04 | anrp | rule of thumb for compiling is run 1.5*num_cores rounded down in parallel |
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| 16:06.12 | thomasg__ | SpeedEvil, hm - main cpu, gps, wifi, gsm, what else has a arm core? |
| 16:06.13 | anrp | run X jobs i mean |
| 16:06.30 | anrp | you get an almost linear speedup |
| 16:06.31 | XorA | thomasg__: GPU |
| 16:06.40 | SpeedEvil | Main CPU, GSM serial, GSM realtime, bluetooth, wifi, glamo RISC |
| 16:07.07 | thomasg__ | didn't know that even the bluetooth module has its own arm |
| 16:07.08 | cb22 | + GPS = 7 |
| 16:07.21 | SpeedEvil | thomasg__: not an arm - it's some sort of processor |
| 16:07.27 | SpeedEvil | Oh yeah - I forgot the GPS. |
| 16:07.41 | thomasg__ | ok, however, thought of the bluetooth module to be more "stupid" :) |
| 16:07.47 | SpeedEvil | The GSM processors are functional enough that you might get uclinux on it. |
| 16:07.57 | SpeedEvil | but I'm unsure if it's got the storage. |
| 16:07.58 | cb22 | thomasg__: people have actually written firmware for wifi dongles |
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| 16:08.13 | cb22 | its open source too, i managed to run it on mine |
| 16:08.26 | cb22 | http://prism54.org/freemac.html |
| 16:08.26 | SpeedEvil | the bluetooth module - if it was the external memory or flash version is quite powerful on its own; |
| 16:08.40 | SpeedEvil | (it's not - it's ROM) |
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| 16:09.49 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: is a project like the one i mentioned above even legal? |
| 16:10.14 | SpeedEvil | cb22: in the UK, the legislation I've spoke about before was GSM only. |
| 16:10.14 | thomasg__ | depends I'd say |
| 16:11.05 | SpeedEvil | cb22: and it's in fact not illegal under that legislation unless it was being used for criminal purposes, or changing the IMEI/... |
| 16:11.31 | SpeedEvil | IIRC producing a tool that changes the IMEI, and changing the IMEI are both offences. |
| 16:12.39 | cb22 | speaking of IMEIs, what would happen if two devices with the same, were connected to one network? |
| 16:13.07 | SpeedEvil | It used to mostly work, but the network got confused when the phone rang. |
| 16:13.21 | BBishop | I'd really need to try this out ! :)) |
| 16:13.28 | ScaredyCat | 2 IMEI's can't ocupy the same space - the planet will explode |
| 16:13.36 | cb22 | eyes the two old motorolas he has lying around |
| 16:13.41 | SpeedEvil | I'm not sure what actually happens now, I know that it is tracked by the network |
| 16:13.44 | anrp | if you look hard, you can find tools to change the imei |
| 16:13.51 | anrp | you don't have to look too hard, actually |
| 16:14.03 | cb22 | anrp: with motos you dont need to look further then google |
| 16:14.13 | cb22 | its those damn russian hackers |
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| 16:14.49 | ScaredyCat | hehe |
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| 16:25.32 | XorA | network doesnt care about IMEI |
| 16:25.39 | XorA | there are a whole lot of duplicate ones |
| 16:27.07 | nibbler_de | that's not quite true |
| 16:27.11 | nibbler_de | they do blacklisting |
| 16:27.19 | nibbler_de | and i have observed it twice until today |
| 16:27.26 | XorA | nibbler_de: evern blacklisting doesnt seem to be long term |
| 16:27.42 | XorA | nibbler_de: and AFAIK doesnt work if the SIM is roaming |
| 16:28.01 | nibbler_de | XorA: there are certain terminals which are blacklisted in certain networks |
| 16:28.50 | nibbler_de | certain siemens P1, terminals with imei=00000000000000 or 12345... |
| 16:28.54 | XorA | but in 99.9999% of cases IMEI is illelevent |
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| 16:29.07 | XorA | nibbler_de: IMEI=0000000000000 works fine here |
| 16:29.11 | nibbler_de | i'd even guess >99.9999%, yes. |
| 16:29.46 | nibbler_de | XorA: depends on the network - a friend of mine got a preproduction siemens gigaset gsm (desk phone with gsm part) with imei=000000... doesn't work in certain networks |
| 16:30.01 | XorA | nibbler_de: all the original batch freerunners had 000000000 |
| 16:30.12 | XorA | nibbler_de: and I dont think any of the devs ever had problems :-) |
| 16:30.27 | abraxa_ | XorA: emdete did |
| 16:30.39 | nibbler_de | yeah - well - depends on how well run the networks the people use this phones with are run |
| 16:30.58 | mickey|zzZZzz | vodafone does not accept 00000000 |
| 16:31.03 | mickeyl | all others seem to do |
| 16:31.09 | mickeyl | at least here in .de |
| 16:31.12 | woglinde | hi mickeyl |
| 16:31.24 | nibbler_de | mickeyl: in deed. |
| 16:31.32 | XorA | wishes he still had access to the O2 testing network |
| 16:31.48 | nibbler_de | with the gigaset (back then) d1 worked, d2 didn't |
| 16:31.50 | ScaredyCat | throws water overs XorA... |
| 16:31.53 | ScaredyCat | does htat help? |
| 16:32.03 | mickeyl | 07.07 question... it looks like you can't put a call on hold and initiate another, right? |
| 16:32.07 | woglinde | +~~~~~+ |
| 16:32.08 | XorA | ScaredyCat: nope, free phonecalls anywhere in the world was good |
| 16:32.09 | nibbler_de | but vodafone in .de also operates a blacklist for stolen phones - so they seem to care about certain parts of infrastructure |
| 16:32.11 | mickeyl | i can only put a call on hold while another is waiting |
| 16:32.11 | woglinde | ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, |
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| 16:32.28 | woglinde | +-- |
| 16:32.37 | ScaredyCat | slaps woglinde |
| 16:32.37 | nibbler_de | XorA: good for you - certainly not good for o2, i guess ;) |
| 16:32.58 | XorA | nibbler_de: they gave us the numbers for SIM testing :-) |
| 16:33.03 | woglinde | fhjchffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff47,0 |
| 16:33.09 | nibbler_de | XorA: ah, ok ;-) |
| 16:33.31 | nibbler_de | love to have his own apn for testing purposes |
| 16:33.36 | XorA | nibbler_de: but a physical burglary someone stole the little black book from their office and the network was shut down |
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| 16:34.09 | nibbler_de | ouch :( |
| 16:34.18 | mickeyl | bummer. i could use a BTS here for ophoned as well |
| 16:34.21 | mickeyl | *shrug* |
| 16:37.25 | mickeyl | hmm fun |
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| 16:39.00 | mickeyl | dcordes: to answer your question from yesterday(?): yes, bread-n-butter is buildable right now. bitbake fso-image to get an impression (very early, don't be disappointed :) |
| 16:39.28 | dcordes | mickeyl: what size are they? |
| 16:39.37 | dcordes | and: do they work with qvga? |
| 16:40.18 | mickeyl | size... 30MB or so |
| 16:40.29 | mickeyl | qvga pretty sure. if not, it's a one liner to remove |
| 16:41.19 | dcordes | ok sounds that sounds suitable for kaiser. 30MB gzipped or extracted? |
| 16:41.29 | mickeyl | hmm, let me check |
| 16:41.33 | dcordes | ok thanks |
| 16:41.39 | mickeyl | root@om-gta02:/local/pkg/fso/python-ophoned/ophoned# df -h |
| 16:41.39 | mickeyl | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 16:41.39 | mickeyl | rootfs 246.6M 37.8M 208.9M 15% / |
| 16:41.45 | mickeyl | 37 extracted |
| 16:42.21 | Yorick093 | newsflash |
| 16:42.26 | Yorick093 | The latest update I have from the factory indicates that mass Production |
| 16:42.34 | Yorick093 | that means running the SMT line without stopping to check stuff every two |
| 16:42.43 | dcordes | aye caramba |
| 16:42.46 | Yorick093 | seconds) has been CLEARED TO START. |
| 16:43.04 | Yorick093 | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/018575.html |
| 16:43.35 | dcordes | mickeyl: ok that's definetly worth a try. the you-know-who initrds we boot atm are almost that size in .gpio.gz |
| 16:43.49 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 16:44.00 | dcordes | cpio.gz of course |
| 16:44.03 | mickeyl | ya, i'd love to see how that performs on the kaiser |
| 16:44.10 | mickeyl | it probably runs circles around the Neo |
| 16:44.13 | mickeyl | :D |
| 16:45.01 | dcordes | ok will report when I built (if it built) and I tried and boot |
| 16:45.02 | mickeyl | coolies |
| 16:45.02 | dcordes | nice interview btw :) |
| 16:45.25 | mickeyl | linuxmagazin? |
| 16:45.45 | XorA | wonders what happens when all OM employees start buying kaisers |
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| 16:52.20 | dcordes | mickeyl: yep |
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| 16:53.30 | mickeyl | right, that was quite nice |
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| 16:54.19 | nibbler_de | mickeyl: regarding the bts... ask harald :> |
| 16:54.58 | mickeyl | i know :D |
| 16:55.02 | mickeyl | but it's a long way |
| 16:55.27 | thomasg__ | mickeyl, need one? get a truck and come over :) |
| 16:55.54 | mickeyl | heh |
| 16:55.55 | mickeyl | well |
| 16:56.09 | thomasg__ | but you'd need a bsc too, and they are harder to get, as there are no complete spare ones :) |
| 16:56.47 | mickeyl | fair enough. i'll see how far i come with testing with four handsets and a landline |
| 16:56.49 | SpeedEvil | http://www.cree.com |
| 16:56.51 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 16:56.55 | nibbler_de | nah - one can do that in software. python. import gsm done/done. |
| 16:57.24 | mickeyl | i guess once the software is in the field, I'll get enough reports about corner cases and stuff |
| 16:59.01 | ScaredyCat | missed soemthing, what are 'kaisers' ? |
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| 16:59.48 | nibbler_de | kaiser? sounds like an htc handset |
| 16:59.55 | pH5 | yup HTC Kaiser is TyTN II |
| 17:00.02 | nibbler_de | it is? |
| 17:00.30 | pH5 | or P4550 |
| 17:00.30 | dcordes | it is not want you want to buy. Get a neo |
| 17:00.35 | dcordes | it is an undocumented closed brick |
| 17:00.38 | pH5 | ack |
| 17:00.41 | nibbler_de | in deed |
| 17:00.56 | anrp | spots some embers |
| 17:01.08 | nibbler_de | nice hardware though. but closed. even shipping with a unacceptable os |
| 17:02.08 | pH5 | by the time dcordes has finished the linux port, it won't be considered nice hardware anymore :) |
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| 17:04.19 | dcordes | pH5: I already updated the hardware so I can test it to death again :D |
| 17:04.49 | ScaredyCat | you have it running on the kaiser? |
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| 17:05.14 | dcordes | ScaredyCat: to a certain extent |
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| 17:06.55 | dcordes | ScaredyCat: the core system is well supported. What we need is a completely working communication with the modem, sdcc which provides sd card and wifi sdio, uart for bluetooth and usb |
| 17:07.12 | dcordes | modem communication is already semi working |
| 17:08.20 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 17:09.23 | mass_stor | i m building openmoko image using moko makefile. during that i got an error. http://www.pastebin.org/40854. Bfore this i got an error at the same step as SELinux denied permission for this to access a shared library. I got rid of it by providing permission for all process to access it usin SELinux management... Now i hav got this error. What s this error all about? |
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| 17:10.23 | mass_stor | it wud b really nice if i cud get sum guesses regd the error............. |
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| 17:10.58 | XorA | mass_stor: fedora? |
| 17:11.08 | `pwgen` | hi |
| 17:11.29 | mass_stor | yaa |
| 17:11.37 | mass_stor | XorA: yaa |
| 17:12.00 | XorA | mass_stor: :-( fedora in the infinite idiotness have a patch that breaks qemu |
| 17:12.55 | mass_stor | XorA: so possibly openmoko image cant b built in fedora distro? |
| 17:13.03 | XorA | mass_stor: ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION="0" in your local.conf |
| 17:13.16 | dcordes | in the latest uboontu I havee to put something =0 before I can run bitbake |
| 17:13.19 | dcordes | some vm thing |
| 17:13.30 | dcordes | also pretty annoying |
| 17:13.33 | XorA | mass_stor: not in its default setting unless you remove the kernel patch |
| 17:13.52 | XorA | dcordes: thats the mmap thing |
| 17:13.58 | `pwgen` | i have a problem building 2.6.24+git.bb -c fetch -> error : git read-tree xxx faild with signal 128 ... can someone help ? |
| 17:14.17 | XorA | `pwgen`: pastebin please |
| 17:14.50 | mass_stor | XorA: you mean in the mokobuilddir/build/conf/local.conf |
| 17:14.57 | `pwgen` | http://pastebin.com/m1ceb6fa6 |
| 17:14.57 | XorA | mass_stor: yes |
| 17:15.37 | XorA | `pwgen`: try again, thats seems to be the transitory problem with git-fetcher |
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| 17:18.34 | mass_stor | XorA: hav u built the image in fedora. I heard one of my co-worker askin me to try out the same in ubuntu. I WANNA MAKE SURE IF I CAN POSSIBLY BUILD D IMAGE IN FEDORA? |
| 17:18.46 | `pwgen` | i tried maybe 5 time in the last 2 days ... |
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| 17:19.10 | XorA | mass_stor: if you do what I said, then fedora can build an image |
| 17:19.30 | XorA | `pwgen`: /me cries, I think the kernel guy removed that hash from the kernel tree |
| 17:19.40 | XorA | I HATE GIT |
| 17:19.45 | `pwgen` | grmfpl. |
| 17:20.05 | XorA | whoever decided history is a temporary thing in a SCM should be shot |
| 17:20.08 | dcordes | mickeyl: http://rafb.net/p/jLd7i870.html |
| 17:21.03 | dcordes | mickeyl: this loosk familiar from previous underground-image build attempts |
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| 17:31.28 | `pwgen` | XorA: same problem with another hash for openmoko-devel (:-(( |
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| 17:32.01 | `pwgen` | s/openmoko-devel/linux-openmoko-devel_git.b/ |
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| 17:33.29 | XorA | `pwgen`: Im not much up with the fixing of git problems, so far I alsways fail |
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| 17:34.49 | mickeyl | dcordes: ah, i stumbled over that when I built for ezx last week |
| 17:35.01 | mickeyl | let me check |
| 17:35.24 | mickeyl | looks good |
| 17:35.26 | mickeyl | it should work |
| 17:35.34 | mickeyl | please check whether you're on an uptodate tree |
| 17:35.42 | dcordes | just updated and pulled |
| 17:35.52 | mickeyl | fso-image only depends on openmoko-alsa-scenarios for om-gta01 and om-gta02 |
| 17:36.19 | XorA | mickeyl: fso-image is maintained in OE not OM? |
| 17:36.28 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 17:36.52 | mickeyl | dcordes: you're on org.oe.dev? |
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| 17:54.26 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r52648cd12192 10/ophoned/ (6 files in 3 dirs): python-ophoned: add skeleton for TI Calypso modem |
| 17:54.26 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rb6b217b77e5a 10/ophoned/ (10 files in 5 dirs): python-ophoned: implement TI Calypso specific call handling |
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| 18:00.11 | Moniker42 | freesmartphone.org almost sounds like a spam banner |
| 18:00.22 | woglinde | ???? |
| 18:00.50 | woglinde | better check yourself |
| 18:01.00 | Moniker42 | free iphone now! click here!! :) |
| 18:01.18 | Moniker42 | just give us your credit card details at freesmartphone.org and we'll send you a free smart phone IMMEDIATELY! |
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| 18:01.21 | dcordes | mickeyl: yes org.openembedded.dev |
| 18:01.39 | dcordes | got to run now bbl |
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| 18:02.38 | mickeyl | ok, i can see no problems from here. pastebin your fso-image file please when you're back |
| 18:02.58 | mickeyl | Moniker42: then what do you think about freedesktop.org ? |
| 18:03.02 | mickeyl | send us a free desktop? |
| 18:04.08 | Moniker42 | i haven't seen any banners offering to send me a free desk if i "spank the monkey" from a flash banner with a floating hand |
| 18:04.32 | codeheadzxc | Hey can someone send me a link to the latest best working kernel and rootfs for openmoko? I have downloaded a couple and the last one that I got (Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080603-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs) has all the graphics screwed up. |
| 18:04.40 | ||Leto|| | woglinde: you managed to check that sdl-issue? |
| 18:04.49 | tomboy64 | grml |
| 18:04.51 | tomboy64 | better |
| 18:06.26 | tomboy64 | :( |
| 18:07.36 | codeheadzxc | Any suggesitons? |
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| 18:08.31 | kdean06 | codeheadzxc, http://downloads.openmoko.org/recommended/Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080430-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 18:08.45 | codeheadzxc | kdean06: Word up! Thanks |
| 18:08.49 | kdean06 | No problem. |
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| 18:26.14 | Temple_of_Spoon | so does that email about final mass production mean that the testing is done? |
| 18:27.16 | cb22 | i think so |
| 18:27.37 | Sup3rkiddo | ...and does it mean, GSoC'ers get their devices as well :D? |
| 18:27.51 | Temple_of_Spoon | man I'm excited |
| 18:28.43 | *** topic/#openmoko by cb22 -> No, Freerunner is not out yet, but mass production has been given the go ahead. Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates . | ASU means April Software Update and is coming soon. |
| 18:29.16 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 18:30.02 | tomboy64 | :-D |
| 18:30.58 | tomboy64 | mhmm |
| 18:31.14 | tomboy64 | that qemu thingy takes longer than my full-blown desktop to load :-x |
| 18:31.33 | tomboy64 | i sure hope om doesn't take as long in rl |
| 18:31.54 | cb22 | qemu is known to be really slow |
| 18:32.27 | tomboy64 | what an understatement :-D |
| 18:32.42 | cb22 | heh, depends how you define really :) |
| 18:34.00 | tomboy64 | ;) |
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| 18:34.17 | tomboy64 | kicks his qemu |
| 18:34.31 | tomboy64 | come on, i wanna play! |
| 18:34.44 | cb22 | pfft, your xeons aren't fast enough to emulate a lowly 200mhz arm |
| 18:36.53 | Temple_of_Spoon | so if the freerunner can do USB host, can one hook up a webcam? |
| 18:37.09 | cb22 | in theory |
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| 18:37.19 | Temple_of_Spoon | i love theory :) |
| 18:37.44 | mwester | It's an opportunity for you to translate theory into reality. |
| 18:37.58 | cb22 | me too, although its arch enemy - practice - keeps on foiling my plots :( |
| 18:39.30 | cb22 | In 1 months time: Customs offical: So, what is the value of those 'Quad Core Xeons' and that 'Motherboard' thing over there? Me: Uh, $100 |
| 18:39.40 | mwester | Well, perhaps that just means that your theories are not researched quite enough. For example, I wonder why so many people keep trying to build perpetual motion machines when a small amount of research will prove that the theory is unsound. |
| 18:39.58 | cb22 | mwester: goddamit, you just ruined my latest project :( |
| 18:40.01 | mwester | :p |
| 18:41.27 | mazzen | hi! i'm really new to all that hacking for cellphone stuff and have a few question not directly related to openmoko. but as somebody talked about images a few minutes ago, i have hope :) |
| 18:42.23 | SpeedEvil | sure |
| 18:43.42 | mazzen | thanks! :) i know that the cpu of the cellphone is a TI OMAP/1710. the image files have a .dio and .m0 extension. i would like to know if its possible to "extract" them. - and - in fact where i could information about thouse file formats. what is the sense of a m0 file and stuff like that. i googled, but found nearly nothing :( |
| 18:44.31 | mazzen | aehm... "where i can find information..." |
| 18:45.09 | SpeedEvil | Image files from where? |
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| 18:46.42 | mazzen | a friend of mine gave me this cell phone with this image files and asked me, if i can take a look inside it. i sadly don't know where i got them. |
| 18:47.14 | mazzen | are these extension not "standard" image files for cellphones? |
| 18:47.19 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 18:47.24 | SpeedEvil | You have several problems. |
| 18:47.36 | SpeedEvil | A) what's the CPU - ok - you know that. |
| 18:47.54 | SpeedEvil | B) How are these images converted into a format to send to teh phone |
| 18:47.56 | xcasex_ | mazzen: what cell? |
| 18:48.22 | SpeedEvil | C) Does the phone do any digital signature on the image, and are they encrypted. |
| 18:49.04 | mazzen | xcasex_: dude, honestly - i don't know. he got it from china and all i know is, that it's possible to run linux on it :-/ |
| 18:49.25 | SpeedEvil | If it's just a simple image format, uncompressed, then uploaded to the phone simply, then you should recognise OMAP assembly code, and maybe even ascii text in tehre. |
| 18:49.26 | mazzen | and yes - i know - these are not a lot of information :( |
| 18:49.29 | SpeedEvil | google - with the aid of someone that can speak chinese |
| 18:49.54 | xcasex_ | SpeedEvil: btw, there seems to be a budding linux community around the htc tornado |
| 18:50.01 | wurp2 | mazzen: Have you tried putting the file on a linux machine and running the file command on it? |
| 18:50.09 | wurp2 | It may just recognize the file format |
| 18:52.35 | woglinde | hm htc touch pro |
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| 18:54.36 | mazzen | hey wurp2, thanks for the tip! i didn't know the command - shame on me :-) but all it gives is "image.dio: data" and "image2.dio: Motorola S-Record; binary data in text format". the "Motorola" part confuse me a little bit... |
| 18:54.55 | mazzen | could that mean, a motorola cpu is used? |
| 18:55.16 | *** part/#openmoko bmidgle1 (n=bmidgley@166.189.130.104) |
| 18:55.46 | mazzen | but - honestly - i don't want to bring the topic to far away from openmoko! |
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| 18:56.47 | mazzen | as i know now, it's not a typical image file and i have to try to get more information elsewhere. |
| 18:57.00 | mazzen | anyway: a lot of thanks to all of you! |
| 18:57.14 | mazzen | maybe just one more question :) : |
| 18:57.35 | woglinde | mazzen file isnt always right |
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| 19:00.16 | mazzen | what kind of advices would you give me, if i want to get deeper into the "try to port linux on cell phone devices" "scene"? i also tried to find information, but its hard. does anyone knows tutorials or "guides"? kind of "first steps for beginners;-)" ? |
| 19:01.09 | woglinde | ???? |
| 19:01.32 | LionKMP | wants that document too :) |
| 19:01.51 | mazzen | hehe |
| 19:02.20 | mazzen | i'm talking about "how to create image files for a cell phone"... stuff like that |
| 19:03.19 | woglinde | mazzen you culd start here |
| 19:03.21 | woglinde | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/ |
| 19:04.06 | mazzen | hey! woglinde, thanks! |
| 19:04.15 | mazzen | looks very interesting! |
| 19:04.22 | mazzen | starts to read |
| 19:10.04 | wurp2 | That's funny, I was just about to recommend starting a wiki for it and putting whatever halfassed notions you have about the procedure up there, then advertise it like mad |
| 19:10.27 | wurp2 | people who would never help you if you just ask for it will go crazy fixing your errors :-) |
| 19:10.33 | wurp2 | sounds as if someone has already done it, though |
| 19:11.17 | cyrilRomain | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3leaa38L48 <- this is IMHO what an open source phone can/should nowadays offer, and it's possible with to qtopia + OpenGL|ES + good hardware + months of hacking!!! |
| 19:11.58 | Vegar | do you really think nvidia will make open source drivers for it? |
| 19:12.04 | wurp2 | So did I read right that gta03 is gonna have a camera? |
| 19:12.15 | wurp2 | and does anyone know specs? |
| 19:12.59 | summatusmentis | wurp2: iirc, gta03 is just gtao3 - glamo |
| 19:13.12 | summatusmentis | gta04 is where there will be a hardware/case refresh |
| 19:13.17 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: raster said something about a camera |
| 19:13.21 | cyrilRomain | Vegar: no, because of their closed-source model :-( |
| 19:13.24 | Vegar | gta03 will have a new case too |
| 19:13.58 | summatusmentis | that is not what SpeedEvil was saying, although raster might know more than SpeedEvil |
| 19:14.22 | wurp2 | From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <raster@openmoko.org>, Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:02:15 +1000 |
| 19:14.28 | balrog-kun | wurp2: i read something about a 2MP camera on the list |
| 19:14.42 | wurp2 | gta03 will at this stage be a gta02 minus glamo (which simplifies things a lot and at least for 2d stuff should get us an improvement). |
| 19:14.52 | wurp2 | ^^^ (from raster) ^^^ |
| 19:15.36 | summatusmentis | there's nothing about a camera there :) |
| 19:16.08 | wurp2 | Sorry, bad cut-n-paste |
| 19:16.09 | cyrilRomain | wonders how many people is, like FOSS developers, working on 'open hardware' |
| 19:16.18 | wurp2 | from raster: gta03, but otherwise we have what we have now (just a new case, different battery, added a camera, a different gsm module). |
| 19:17.05 | wurp2 | Here's the full paragraph: |
| 19:17.22 | wurp2 | from raster: understood. i can't blame you. i've done my share of ranting too. but even internally the most i have managed to do, i think, is influence the glamo to vanish from the gta03, but otherwise we have what we have now (just a new case, different battery, added a camera, a different gsm module). |
| 19:17.55 | wurp2 | That is a tiny bit ambiguous, but sure looks to me as if it says there will be a camera in the gta03 |
| 19:18.14 | wurp2 | balrog-kun: cool, thx |
| 19:19.53 | summatusmentis | that'll put gta04 and possibly 3g at least another year before it even starts to happen! |
| 19:20.16 | summatusmentis | at which point, at least in the US, LTE shoudl start rolling out |
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| 19:23.05 | wurp2 | I'm anxious to see the new case... |
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| 19:28.48 | ljp | ehhh 3g is overrated |
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| 19:30.43 | balrog-kun | yay! new gsm |
| 19:30.44 | mwester | falls over, as he discovers that he agrees with ljp on something! ;) :P |
| 19:31.26 | balrog-kun | i wonder what the new case will look like |
| 19:32.11 | ljp | I have a 3 skypephone, has a camera to do video calls, but it is on the wrong side of the phone, so you cannot see the other person on the video call :) |
| 19:32.30 | summatusmentis | ljp: it's gonna be outdated by the time we get it though |
| 19:32.42 | ljp | summatusmentis: 4g! |
| 19:33.04 | summatusmentis | but I thought 3g was being considered for gta04 |
| 19:33.30 | mwester | hehe! And still, the network behind GSM in the USA will not be able to do more than dial-up modem speeds! </cynical> |
| 19:36.57 | balrog-kun | it seems that the only thing that sticks above the surface of the LCD, if you're looking at the GTA without the case, is the GPS antenna |
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| 19:37.28 | balrog-kun | otherwise they could easily make the touchscreen not sunken, like on the iPhone |
| 19:37.42 | balrog-kun | i wonder if the new case will be like this |
| 19:39.02 | ljp | seems like the thing to do hey... copy Apple |
| 19:39.37 | wurp2 | There's nothing wrong with copying if it's an improvement... |
| 19:39.52 | balrog-kun | you don't have to copy apple to come up with un-sunken touchscreen, i'm sure plenty of products had that before iPhone |
| 19:40.02 | ljp | balrog-kun: name one |
| 19:40.03 | balrog-kun | was just first thing that came to my mind :p |
| 19:40.17 | balrog-kun | ljp: the zaurus i think? not sure |
| 19:40.32 | ljp | there is a slight bevel on zaurus |
| 19:40.35 | balrog-kun | i've not played with either a zaurus or iPhone personally |
| 19:40.40 | wurp2 | ljp: So as an open source advocate, you are seriously criticizing a new design because it copies smart aspects of an existing design? |
| 19:40.57 | wurp2 | or was that facetious irony ;-) |
| 19:41.11 | ljp | no, I am really criticizing all the iphone look a likes that are now coming out |
| 19:41.29 | ferric | like the iphone2. |
| 19:41.50 | ljp | i guess i have always been anti-trendy |
| 19:42.26 | ljp | not saying its a bad design, though |
| 19:42.43 | balrog-kun | i agree with ljp in general that copying even good ideas from other products could be avoided, we're clever enough to do better |
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| 19:43.01 | balrog-kun | the sunken touchscreen seemed a bad idea to me even before iPhone iirc |
| 19:43.24 | ljp | balrog-kun: helps from scratching the screen |
| 19:43.41 | balrog-kun | ljp: yes, a screen that's easy to scratch is also a bad idea |
| 19:43.50 | ljp | although the neo is a bit too sunken |
| 19:43.58 | balrog-kun | the material used |
| 19:44.21 | balrog-kun | mine has no scratches that i can see, though |
| 19:44.27 | ljp | but thats expensive, companies want to keep the BOM as low as it can |
| 19:44.31 | wurp2 | ljp: Mine has a scratch, and it's sunken |
| 19:44.43 | wurp2 | Screen protectors help better :-) |
| 19:44.58 | balrog-kun | i only hate that it collects dust so quickly :p |
| 19:45.15 | wurp2 | I hate that I can't touch the screen near the edges |
| 19:45.25 | wurp2 | and that I feel that I'm wiping dirt under the edge when I clean it |
| 19:45.31 | wurp2 | and that it is difficult to clean |
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| 19:45.59 | ljp | wurp2: we had to design a new theme for neo that has bigger areas around the edges |
| 19:46.04 | wurp2 | Of course, any bad stuff you hear me say about the neo should be mitigated by the fact that it's the only smartphone ever that I've felt was worth buying |
| 19:46.15 | wurp2 | ljp: yay! |
| 19:46.42 | ljp | that theme is the one qtopia uses for neo :D |
| 19:47.43 | wurp2 | ljp: Dya know if Qtopia is ever going to use the dbus interface for gsm? |
| 19:48.20 | wurp2 | I mean, it's open, so obviously it could whether you plan it or not, but I mean support in the rcs mainline |
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| 19:49.45 | ljp | wurp2: doubt it, seems like a security issue |
| 19:50.08 | ljp | but ya never know |
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| 19:51.08 | wurp2 | So is there a way in Qtopia (without altering the existing dialing app) to have an app monitor when calls start & end, when you switch cell towers, etc? |
| 19:51.40 | ljp | I am sure there is a way |
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| 19:53.58 | kdean06 | wurp2, As far as I know, the end goal of the ASU is to put a dbus interface into all of the apps. |
| 19:54.08 | kdean06 | dbus is central to the entire thing. |
| 19:54.25 | wurp2 | kdean06: I know |
| 19:54.31 | kdean06 | Qtopia already monitors calls (incoming, outgoing, missed, call duration, call start time). |
| 19:54.36 | wurp2 | I just wasn't sure if Qtopia was planned to work with that |
| 19:54.54 | kdean06 | Yes, it is planned to extend that to all of the Qtopia apps too. :) |
| 19:54.57 | wurp2 | Yeah, but if I want to munge that information or set up alerts or whatever then I want my own access to it |
| 19:55.12 | wurp2 | OK, so OM will use their own branch of Qtopia? |
| 19:55.23 | woglinde | wurp2 yes |
| 19:55.31 | woglinde | wurp2 git.openmoko.org |
| 19:55.34 | kdean06 | If needed. I'm under the impression that Trolltech also wants to incorporate those features though. |
| 19:55.45 | wurp2 | Any plans to clean that up, maybe check in some interface layers in the Qtopia mainline, so they can continue to receive Qtopia mainline bugfixes |
| 19:56.03 | kdean06 | From what I understand, it was Trolltech's willingness to extend Qtopia that made it more viable for use. |
| 19:56.04 | wurp2 | I would think ljp would know if Qtopia mainline was switching to dbus... |
| 19:56.13 | ljp | kdean06: depends on what 'feature'. we have our own roadmap |
| 19:56.29 | kdean06 | ljp, "Our" being Trolltech? |
| 19:56.33 | ljp | yes |
| 19:56.40 | kdean06 | k, just confirming. :) |
| 19:56.59 | wurp2 | ljp is the man, as far as Qtopia goes... |
| 19:57.05 | kdean06 | he he |
| 19:57.16 | woglinde | *sigh* |
| 19:57.20 | kdean06 | I wanna know who to chat with about why the Qtopia media player isn't in the images. :P |
| 19:57.37 | ljp | which images |
| 19:57.40 | kdean06 | wurp2, I might actually begin reviewing the ASU. I flashed yesterday's image and it was partially usable. |
| 19:57.47 | kdean06 | ljp, The Openmoko buildhost ones. :) |
| 19:58.10 | wurp2 | kdean06: Cool! |
| 19:58.21 | wurp2 | You're gonna review ASU on gta01? ;-) |
| 19:58.26 | LionKMP | what is ASU? |
| 19:58.27 | kdean06 | wurp2, Yes. |
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| 19:58.34 | wurp2 | LionKMP: April Software Update |
| 19:58.48 | LionKMP | ah :) thanks! (I saw the Wiki page, didn't understand) |
| 19:58.55 | wurp2 | the release that is on the FR when you get it |
| 19:59.01 | kdean06 | LionKMP, It's the new line of software development which uses Enlightnement libs, Qtopia et cetera. |
| 19:59.02 | woglinde | kdean06 you could ask zecke if he is around |
| 19:59.14 | kdean06 | wurp2, Actually, it's not. :P |
| 19:59.32 | wurp2 | kdean06: Oh, I was being facetious about the 01. I figured you would only review on FR |
| 19:59.34 | kdean06 | wurp2, The image on the Freerunner (the one I got AND the one that devs will get) was a later 2007.02 image. |
| 19:59.46 | kdean06 | wurp2, And yes, I WILL be reviewing on the 01. |
| 19:59.50 | wurp2 | kdean06: Wow, I thought steve said the ASU was gonna be on there |
| 20:00.08 | kdean06 | woglinde, Thanks. :) |
| 20:00.08 | wurp2 | kdean06: Thanks! |
| 20:00.36 | kdean06 | I've not done reviews for a while because 2007.02 stopped getting serious attention and th ASU didn't function signifigantly. |
| 20:01.29 | kdean06 | But I realized yesterday, thanks to a few people who wrote me (that don't subscribe to the lists) that people have a lot of questions, misconceptions and hopes for the ASU, so I decided to do some sort of review on the 01 and 02 just to clear some things up. |
| 20:01.53 | kdean06 | I sort of forgot how anxious I get when I don't have information, so I've not been sharing "there's no information". :) |
| 20:02.27 | kdean06 | But I left my camera in my Element so I couldn't take pictures, and my computer needs some attention (it's got a half working KDE 4 beta on it which isn't very productive). |
| 20:03.09 | cyrilRomain | kdean06: you could try the lastest KDE from svn. It's quite usable now ;) |
| 20:03.13 | kdean06 | I should do something tonight and post it by tomorrow morning. |
| 20:03.42 | ljp | kdean06: kde4 is like that |
| 20:03.53 | kdean06 | cyrilRomain, I'm using the 4.0.80 snapshots in Debian. It's not too bad, stability wise... I simply dislike KDE 4. :S |
| 20:04.43 | cyrilRomain | actually uses ion3 :| |
| 20:06.25 | cyrilRomain | kdean06: are you going to review ASU specific releases ? Or testing regurlary snapshot (e.g. for non-regressions) ? |
| 20:07.04 | mwester | uses vmware to avoid half-working desktops... |
| 20:07.52 | kdean06 | cyrilRomain, I've asked Steve and Michael about what exactly ASU "is" and from what I understand it should be considered a new line of development and not any specific snapshot long the way. So I will be reviewing the daily snapshots pretty much as frequently as possible but if there are milestone releases I'll probably cover them too. |
| 20:08.33 | cyrilRomain | thanks for the info :) |
| 20:09.28 | kdean06 | mwester, I'm a fan of virtualization (I like KVM) too. But I was trying a raw metal install of OpenSolaris 2008.05 and when it didn't detect my NIC I tried Debian again, but must have used a buggy Lenny netinstall, cause it started erroring at boot. I then tried an Ubuntu LiveCD to chroot and upgrade the Debian install, but it was a i386 version chrooting into amd64... |
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| 20:10.19 | kdean06 | Long story a bit shorter, I played around for HOURS before groggily deciding to install KDE 4 as the base of a fresh install. Each step along the way was faster than a fresh install, but none of them worked... In hindsight. :P |
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| 20:26.02 | carldani | hi |
| 20:26.10 | LionKMP | glibc-intermediate-2.5: started - MokoMakeFile's make openmoko-devel-image is repeating this glibc thing. Is that normal? |
| 20:26.22 | LionKMP | did it 4-5 times already. |
| 20:26.45 | LionKMP | from task 301 to 305 all are glibc-intermediate-2.5. |
| 20:26.55 | LionKMP | pjz: does it fail? |
| 20:27.29 | carldani | is it possible that the openmoko mailing list servers are a bit slow? |
| 20:27.48 | LionKMP | ignore glibc-intermediate-2.5 question, it is now continuing! :-) |
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| 20:45.21 | ScaredyCat | ¡ÊɹÉÊs uoıÊÉnpoɹd ɹÇuunɹÇÇÉ¹É Â¡Æɯo |
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| 20:46.10 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: you don't say... |
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| 20:46.48 | zash | wut |
| 20:47.01 | kdean06 | O_o |
| 20:47.08 | kdean06 | Neat. |
| 20:47.36 | ohin | ScaredyCat: omg, why I see your message overturned?? |
| 20:48.14 | ScaredyCat | uÊop Çpısdn pɹÉoqÊÇÊ Êɯ ÇÊÉÉ¥ ı 'ÊıÉÊ 'É¥o |
| 20:48.19 | ScaredyCat | is this better? |
| 20:48.20 | balrog-k1n | ohin: you must be infected with a virus, quick pluck the cable |
| 20:48.25 | zash | ScaredyCat: lol |
| 20:48.26 | ohin | :-D |
| 20:49.12 | ohin | the steve's announcement made you crazy guys, right? ;-) |
| 20:49.26 | tomboy64 | hehehe |
| 20:49.28 | tomboy64 | indeed |
| 20:50.46 | zash | ASUM! |
| 20:51.46 | ScaredyCat | giggles |
| 20:52.00 | zash | but, "cleared to start" != "started" |
| 20:52.03 | zash | i presume |
| 20:52.29 | ScaredyCat | it means they swept the floor |
| 20:54.16 | wurp2 | Does anyone know the right way (or even a way) in the 2007.2 release to restart the gsm & get the dialer working on it again? |
| 20:54.17 | pjz | LionKMP: yeah, mokomakefile fails right now |
| 21:05.36 | wurp2 | gsmd stop, echo 0 > gsm_power, echo 1 > gsm_power, gsmd start does not work |
| 21:05.37 | pjz | LionKMP: under Hardy because it's looking for makeinfo but i can't figure out what package to install for it; there is no 'makeinfo' package, and I've got texi2html installed, which is the on ly thing that shows up in an apt-cache search as related to makeinfo |
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| 21:05.37 | kdean06 | wurp2, It depends on why the gsm system is dead. If it won't restart with the neod applet, the official method is "Remove cover, yank battery, count to ten, replace battery, power on" |
| 21:05.37 | mmontour | pjz: have you tried 'texinfo'? |
| 21:05.37 | wurp2 | kdean06: I've never had a normal reboot fail to restart it |
| 21:05.38 | wurp2 | but I'm religiously opposed to rebooting a linux system to get one subsystem to work again |
| 21:05.38 | wurp2 | I'm just asking if there's a way I can shut down gsmd and restart it and actually get a useful result |
| 21:05.38 | kdean06 | Yeah, me to. That religious zealotry means I lived with a audio player till the battery died and I recharged and rebooted anyway. |
| 21:05.39 | wurp2 | e.g. when I use the gprs, I can never get the phone to recover so I can then make calls |
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| 21:05.39 | kdean06 | wurp2, As far as I know, the answer is NO. For the same reason a powered down Neo drains itself to death. IIRC, the gsm system doesn't actually respond to power down requests, though I may be wrong about that or under the wrong assumption. |
| 21:05.40 | wurp2 | kdean06: Oh, well I know how to make the gsm power down at shutdown... |
| 21:05.40 | wurp2 | Thanks for the pointer, I'll bet now I can get it to work |
| 21:05.41 | wurp2 | The gsm doesn't power down if you just send the echo 0 to the sys device |
| 21:05.41 | mmontour | On GTA01 you need to give the GSM an "AT@POFF" command |
| 21:05.41 | wurp2 | but I am pretty sure it powers down if you send the atpdown in that special way |
| 21:05.41 | wurp2 | yeah, that |
| 21:05.41 | ScaredyCat | you're using the wrong images then kdean06 |
| 21:05.42 | wurp2 | mmontour: So even if I just shut down gsmd, I apparently need to at@poff the gsm then (presumably) at@pon it, then restart gsmd |
| 21:05.42 | ScaredyCat | images power off the gsm when shutdown |
| 21:05.43 | wurp2 | I will play with the various levels of powering off & back on the gsm and find a formula that resurrects the dialer |
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| 21:05.43 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, Nah, I'm running the Qtopia image and gsm doesn't crash. :P |
| 21:05.44 | ScaredyCat | some of us have to wait for the 02... some of us don't get given freerunners... |
| 21:05.44 | balrog-k1n | then your images lack secret ScaredyCat power |
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| 21:05.44 | ScaredyCat | did I call you a biatch yet kdean06? |
| 21:05.44 | ScaredyCat | ;) |
| 21:05.44 | mmontour | There's no "AT@PON" command (AFAIK) - the chipset looks for a 0->1 transition of that /sys flag. |
| 21:05.44 | cb22 | ScaredyCat: oh, they didnt give you one? |
| 21:05.45 | ScaredyCat | :'( |
| 21:05.45 | cb22 | everyone in this channel got free freerunners, you must have been afk at the time |
| 21:05.45 | kdean06 | Not sure. :) |
| 21:05.45 | ScaredyCat | stabs cb22 |
| 21:05.45 | ScaredyCat | well, just in case... kdean06: you biatch |
| 21:05.45 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 21:05.46 | wurp2 | My install powers off the gsm when it goes down |
| 21:05.46 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, Oh, I missed your line. That wasn't a Freerunner jab. I'm actually running the Trolltech image for the 01 and using that as my main phone. |
| 21:05.46 | wurp2 | and it's not ScaredyCat or Qtopia :-) |
| 21:05.46 | wurp2 | mmontour: OK, thanks for the info |
| 21:05.46 | kdean06 | And there are ASU images for the 01 on the official buildhost. |
| 21:05.46 | wurp2 | that makes it even easier |
| 21:05.46 | ScaredyCat | kdean06: mmmmm... |
| 21:05.47 | ljp | trolltech.. who's that |
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| 21:05.47 | ScaredyCat | some cowboy outfit.. |
| 21:05.47 | ljp | crickey mate, your right about that! |
| 21:05.48 | ljp | cowboys and farmers |
| 21:05.48 | ScaredyCat | kdean06: I can't build the x11 qtopia stuff :( |
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| 21:05.54 | kdean06 | Hrm.. |
| 21:06.29 | balrog-k1n | kdean06: i hear the buildhost ASU images don't work |
| 21:06.36 | balrog-k1n | has someone tried them? |
| 21:06.43 | ljp | i have |
| 21:06.46 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: I've always been impressed that you could get the regular build to work regularly :-) |
| 21:06.53 | balrog-k1n | ljp: did they boot? |
| 21:07.04 | ljp | yes, it did boot. |
| 21:07.10 | ljp | but i have gta02 |
| 21:07.19 | ScaredyCat | wurp2: it's all the same image, I just pretend and change the version number.. :P |
| 21:07.20 | balrog-k1n | ljp: oh :p |
| 21:07.38 | balrog-k1n | has someone tried booting the buildhost ASU images for gta01? |
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| 21:08.20 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Would you mind writing a little wiki page with your build info? Like what version of what OS you run, anything special you had to install, and what scripts you run for automated builds |
| 21:08.36 | ScaredyCat | | arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory |
| 21:08.45 | wurp2 | A LOT of people have trouble building ever, much less regularly |
| 21:08.50 | ScaredyCat | that's my x11 build issue |
| 21:09.07 | kdean06 | I've used the qtopia-x11-images on both. They're both equally buggy but both boot and do some form of "work". |
| 21:09.18 | ScaredyCat | wurp2: yeah, I can do that... if I can remember all the detail :D |
| 21:09.44 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Thanks! |
| 21:10.01 | ljp | me just wishes apm would work on the gta02 |
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| 22:18.44 | SpeedEvil | Neat. |
| 22:18.45 | SpeedEvil | http://www.eye.fi/products/home/ |
| 22:21.12 | LionKMP | ...how can I run "recommended snapshot" in qemu built with mokomakefile? (if possible) |
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| 22:24.32 | wurp2 | LionKMP: You can do it... |
| 22:24.40 | wurp2 | Isn't it on the wiki page for qemu? |
| 22:24.50 | wurp2 | Or is the problem that you don't know where to get a recommended snapshot? |
| 22:24.57 | LionKMP | nope. there is a "QEmu command line" page, but I fail to modify it correctly. |
| 22:25.12 | LionKMP | I got snapshots. they are jffs2 format. |
| 22:25.28 | LionKMP | plus 2 other, moment finding wiki pages :) |
| 22:25.35 | LionKMP | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QEMU_command_line |
| 22:25.52 | LionKMP | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Snapshot_review/2008-04-21 |
| 22:26.00 | wurp2 | Have you looked into flash.sh? |
| 22:26.06 | LionKMP | no :( |
| 22:26.30 | wurp2 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu says that flash.sh uses u-boot to flash the qemu memory |
| 22:26.53 | wurp2 | So I assume some command in flash.sh is what you need to run; just give it your desired snapshot as a parameter |
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| 22:27.50 | wurp2 | Depending on how thoroughly qemu emulates you might be able to just start it up in a boot menu, switch to usb console, and flash it like normal |
| 22:28.02 | wurp2 | except it probably advertises on a different /dev |
| 22:28.30 | wurp2 | but doing whatever flash.sh does is probably faster & easier |
| 22:28.45 | LionKMP | sorry, take it simple please, I am newbie. I just realized 5 mins ago, that I don't need to compile the whole OE to see it. |
| 22:29.00 | wurp2 | heh |
| 22:29.06 | LionKMP | (while trying to build for 2-3 days :) ) |
| 22:29.12 | wurp2 | ow! |
| 22:29.22 | wurp2 | So you have qemu, and it runs? |
| 22:29.27 | wurp2 | You just want to see a later release? |
| 22:29.41 | LionKMP | yes, it displays a completely broken OpenMoko,black,and X dies in few seconds. |
| 22:29.52 | LionKMP | so yes, I thought I try the last recommended snapshot. |
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| 22:30.03 | wurp2 | Can you cut-n-paste the contents of openmoko/flash.sh? |
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| 22:30.20 | LionKMP | this one? ./openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/flash.sh |
| 22:30.28 | wurp2 | yep |
| 22:30.39 | wurp2 | Use paste-bin if it's more than a few lines |
| 22:30.44 | wurp2 | plz |
| 22:31.06 | wurp2 | I gotta go soon, but I'll see if I can't get you on track in 5 minutes :-) |
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| 22:31.42 | LionKMP | but this file is huge. http://pastebin.com/m1295b2c3 |
| 22:32.22 | LionKMP | is that what you asked for? |
| 22:33.06 | wurp2 | LionKMP: yep |
| 22:33.20 | wurp2 | LionKMP: Is there also some *.jffs2 files in ./openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko? |
| 22:33.33 | wurp2 | s/Is/Are/ |
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| 22:34.38 | LionKMP | nope, the original qemu command in MokoMakeFile (make qemu-run) had only .image files I think. |
| 22:35.08 | LionKMP | http://pastebin.com/m37077bf4 |
| 22:35.31 | wurp2 | I have to go soon. It looks as if you just need to copy the image files (one for rootfs and one for kernel) in that dir and re-run whatever calls flash.sh, it should put your desired image on there |
| 22:36.26 | LionKMP | ok, thanks. jffs2 file is like an ISO and must be converted to "image"? well, go, I'll try again tomorrow :) |
| 22:36.33 | LionKMP | 00:35 anyway :) |
| 22:37.12 | wurp2 | flash.sh says it loads the image files from the local dir & burns them to the virtual nand |
| 22:37.17 | mmontour | wurp2: I wrote a simple bitbake recipe around your "checkFastCharge.py" script - http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/checkFastCharge_0.1.bb |
| 22:37.17 | LionKMP | ah, makefile has some "flash" targets, I thought those flash the real device. I'll look at them. |
| 22:37.55 | wurp2 | I woulda thunk those files would be jffs2, like for normal flashes |
| 22:38.17 | wurp2 | mmontour: Awesome, thanks! I will try to get checkFastCharge on projects.openmoko.org tonight & put the bb file in with it |
| 22:38.53 | mmontour | Feel free to edit it as needed (description, license, etc). |
| 22:39.19 | LionKMP | wurp2: ok, thank you, I'll try these! I |
| 22:40.02 | wurp2 | mmontour: OK, I'm prolly just going for GPLv2 unless OM prefers another license |
| 22:42.18 | cyrilRomain | hm I can't get rid of the 'bad magic number'. what do you think is wrong in http://rafb.net/p/TdeLXe68.html |
| 22:42.33 | cyrilRomain | when running under qemu |
| 22:44.13 | cyrilRomain | wonders what is worst between "NAND: Bad block table not found for chip 0", "NAND write: nand0: partition (u-boot) size alignment incorrect", "mtdparts variable not set, see 'help mtdparts'" |
| 22:45.45 | balrog-k1n | cyrilRomain: it looks like consequnces of the same error |
| 22:46.07 | cyrilRomain | balrog-k1n: should I download a default NAND somewhere? |
| 22:46.43 | balrog-k1n | cyrilRomain: i dunno :-( you might try an older u-boot |
| 22:47.20 | balrog-k1n | last buildhost u-boot i've tested was perhaps january or so |
| 22:48.36 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r98038b9ba555 10/ophoned/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 22:48.36 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: python-ophoned: implement basic multiparty handling (no conference yet). needs mucho |
| 22:48.36 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: testing! |
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| 22:54.18 | cyrilRomain | balrog-k1n: hmm ok NAND size differs from gta01 to gta02, so it seems flash.sh needs some changes for gta02 |
| 22:55.11 | balrog-k1n | cyrilRomain: yes, definitely |
| 22:55.39 | balrog-k1n | cyrilRomain: oh, i hadn't noticed you were trying the gta02 stuff |
| 22:56.26 | cyrilRomain | balrog-k1n: do you have an updated flash.sh somewhere for me please ? ;) |
| 22:57.00 | balrog-k1n | cyrilRomain: flashing images > ~56MB will need some additional hack which i haven't decided on yet |
| 22:58.04 | balrog-k1n | cyrilRomain: and yeah, it seems from your logs that there's somethgin wrong with alginment, i think that's because the gta02 nand has 2048B sectors instead of 512B |
| 22:58.15 | balrog-k1n | i've never tried what you did yet |
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| 22:58.46 | LionKMP | wurp2: it worked, I needed to download the 3 files to images/openmoko (emptying this first), and run "make flash-qemu-official". |
| 22:58.54 | cyrilRomain | balrog-k1n: yeah but there is no 512/2048 in flash.sh |
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| 22:59.14 | balrog-k1n | cyrilRomain: it may be complaining about that 0x35704 |
| 22:59.15 | cyrilRomain | balrog-k1n: the problem is definitively from 0x00050000(u-boot) |
| 22:59.32 | cyrilRomain | balrog-k1n: as if the script could not interpret the 'u-boot' value |
| 23:00.01 | cyrilRomain | reads http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NAND_bad_blocks |
| 23:00.06 | balrog-k1n | hmm |
| 23:00.38 | balrog-k1n | there are so many things that can go wrong -_- |
| 23:00.47 | cyrilRomain | heh indeed :-/ |
| 23:03.33 | cyrilRomain | ~help mtdparts |
| 23:03.36 | cyrilRomain | :] |
| 23:03.44 | cyrilRomain | :-( |
| 23:04.16 | balrog-k1n | cyrilRomain: oh, another thing that's a total showstopper (unless you took care of it already): |
| 23:05.19 | balrog-k1n | cyrilRomain: in openmoko/Makefile around line 57: # Neo NAND is 128k sectors big |
| 23:05.54 | balrog-k1n | the new NAND is actually two times bigger, so you need to "cat" the double number of sectors (althoug in reality there are fewer sectors, they're just biggeR) |
| 23:06.14 | balrog-k1n | i bet this is why the bad block table is not being preserved |
| 23:06.27 | cyrilRomain | doh! you're right |
| 23:06.35 | balrog-k1n | i.e. on every u-boot start it tells you that the Bad block table isn't found |
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| 23:08.46 | tessier_ | So, is the factory cranking out millions of freerunners? |
| 23:09.56 | cyrilRomain | balrog-k1n: yeah all the $(FLASHIMG) target need to be changed. Thanks for pointing out that to me :) |
| 23:13.44 | cyrilRomain | balrog-k1n: I should have read qemu-neo1973 svn last log: "Use the NAND chip from GTA02 in GTA02fake (128MiB, 1.8V). (Gets detected by u-boot and linux but flash.sh isn't supported yet)" |
| 23:17.52 | cyrilRomain | nite all |
| 23:18.23 | balrog-k1n | cyrilRomain: yep, but that can be fixed |
| 23:18.26 | balrog-k1n | good night |
| 23:19.12 | cyrilRomain | balrog-k1n: I will take a look on saturday. bye and thanks again |
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| 23:52.33 | tessier_ | The latest update I have from the factory indicates that mass Production ( |
| 23:52.33 | tessier_ | that means running the SMT line without stopping to check stuff every two |
| 23:52.33 | tessier_ | seconds) has been CLEARED TO START. |
| 23:52.34 | tessier_ | woohoo |
| 23:52.58 | SpeedEvil | Yay! |
| 23:53.32 | SpeedEvil | So they're ready for the rush, when they get 4 billion orders? :) |
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| 23:54.49 | mwester | is so looking forward to the day when people stop popping in here to ask if it's shipping yet every 1.2 seconds; getting closer now! |
| 23:55.19 | SpeedEvil | wonders how many are cheduled |
| 23:57.24 | tomboy64 | mwester: is it shipping? |
| 23:57.26 | tomboy64 | huh? |
| 23:57.28 | tomboy64 | is it? |
| 23:57.30 | tomboy64 | yeah? |
| 23:57.32 | tomboy64 | :-D |
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| 23:57.53 | mwester | Need more patience; that was .8 seconds between queries! |
| 23:58.03 | mwester | :P |
| 23:58.07 | tomboy64 | patience? |
| 23:58.14 | tomboy64 | you're simply too slow :-P |
| 23:58.24 | tomboy64 | and i've been waiting 2 years for that moment :-D |
