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| 00:07.53 | aggtrfrad | is it out yet? |
| 00:08.19 | Vegar | read the topic |
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| 00:09.22 | aggtrfrad | maybe the topic is outdated :p |
| 00:09.28 | aggtrfrad | i dont trust it |
| 00:09.39 | aggtrfrad | pfff im just kidding |
| 00:09.51 | aggtrfrad | but a little info on whats going on would harm anyone |
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| 00:13.14 | balrog-kun | aggtrfrad: i think they're fixing the flux capacitors at the factory atm |
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| 00:15.01 | *** topic/#openmoko by daMaestro -> Freerunner Released! Send Money Orders to daMaestro for rush delivery! Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates . | ASU means April Software Update and is coming soon |
| 00:15.02 | daMaestro | lol |
| 00:15.19 | daMaestro | aggtrfrad, now.. that ^ would be a not trustworthy /topic |
| 00:15.28 | aggtrfrad | hehe |
| 00:15.40 | *** topic/#openmoko by daMaestro -> No, Freerunner is not out yet. Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates . | ASU means April Software Update and is coming soon |
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| 00:16.01 | mwester | curses loudly, and tears up the money order he was addressing. |
| 00:16.10 | aggtrfrad | HAHAHHAHA |
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| 00:18.22 | CVirus | daMaestro: can i has ma frerunnr plz plz plz |
| 00:18.27 | CVirus | daMaestro: can i has ma frerunnr plz plz plz |
| 00:18.27 | CVirus | daMaestro: can i has ma frerunnr plz plz plz |
| 00:19.10 | daMaestro | CVirus, sure |
| 00:19.21 | daMaestro | CVirus, /dcc daMaestro $100000000000.99 |
| 00:19.30 | daMaestro | and i'll DCC you back the hardware |
| 00:19.41 | CVirus | culz |
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| 01:05.29 | ljp | maybe ASU really means "Another Software Update" |
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| 01:19.36 | cesarb | At last I could update my ssh key on repo.or.cz! |
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| 02:04.19 | roh | cesarb ? |
| 02:04.29 | _jr | balrog-kun: afaik they're fixing the testsoftware to have less false negatives. GTA02-design is frozen (otherwise I had some suggestions) |
| 02:07.15 | cesarb | roh: The ssh key I was using was one of the "compromised" Debian/Ubuntu OpenSSH keys |
| 02:08.08 | _jr | cesarb: hmmm... (ToBad a sad story) |
| 02:08.12 | cesarb | roh: repo was the only place I hadn't changed my key yet (it didn't have a key-change cgi, and pasky (the admin) seemed off the net) |
| 02:08.33 | cesarb | _jr: that didn't prevent me from pushing my repo to it, only made it possible for everyone else to do the same ;-) |
| 02:09.03 | _jr | ;-) |
| 02:10.14 | _jr | says: sorry for delay. Using open WiFi of some neighbour. bad signal though... ;-( |
| 02:12.08 | roh | cesarb ;) |
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| 02:13.41 | jOERG_rw | crsarb: anyone did? |
| 02:14.47 | jOERG_rw | s/crsarb/cesarb/ |
| 02:17.36 | balrog-kun | yea, neighbours can sometimes be real asses when it comes to providing quality WiFi for free :p |
| 02:17.38 | cesarb | jOERG_rw: nobody I noticed. If anyone used H D Moore's database, it wasn't to play with obscure chip-specific linux git push mirrors. |
| 02:18.36 | cesarb | balrog-kun: at work the "neighbours" are really friendly when it comes to unprotected WiFi (ours, however, is reasonably protected) |
| 02:19.41 | roh | cesarb well... i am still wondering if anybody would want to bet how long it takes till the last person has exchanged their key on projects... |
| 02:20.39 | roh | it has a blacklist in place now, so the keys are unusable to open the box... still wondering (people can still update their keys via the webif) |
| 02:20.49 | mwester | keep in mind that a lot of keys weren't generated on compromised systems and don't need replacing. |
| 02:21.14 | roh | the blacklist only blocks the known compromised keys |
| 02:21.32 | roh | even then.. i would suggest anybody using a dsa key, putting that into the bin |
| 02:21.45 | roh | bes switch to a new, longer rsa key completely. |
| 02:21.48 | cesarb | roh: ssh-vulnkey -a should tell you which ones are bad |
| 02:21.56 | mwester | yeah, I suppose its good practice to change them once in a while. |
| 02:22.02 | cesarb | roh: we have at least three cases... |
| 02:22.07 | roh | cesarb i know. and the sshd used the same list to block the bad keys |
| 02:22.30 | cesarb | roh: the careless don't use ssh keys unless forced to, and will only change the key if it gets blacklisted, which it will because it will be the default size |
| 02:23.04 | cesarb | roh: the reasonable use ssh keys of default size and already changed them some days or a couple of weeks after the announcement (if they're slow) |
| 02:23.16 | roh | but still dsa keys used even once with a compromised system, while technically the key isnt blacklistable, one who sniffed the connection could calculate the privatekey |
| 02:23.35 | cesarb | roh: the utterly paranoid have nonstandard high-grade key sizes, and don't need blacklisting because they changed the key on ALL the systems they access IN THE VERY SAME DAY the announcement came out |
| 02:23.43 | roh | thus all dsa keys which could have come in any use even once with a compromised machine should be replaced. |
| 02:24.50 | roh | cesarb well.. then i-'mk a utterly paranoid ;) even when i'm using standart keysizes. |
| 02:25.17 | roh | but now i know that i want more different keys which i then also can replace more individually (and often) |
| 02:27.01 | cesarb | roh: tsc tsc. if you had a pre-2006 key and "replaced it often", you'd be replacing it with a borked one without knowing... |
| 02:27.12 | roh | was a real mess finding all the places where my dsa pubkey has been *g* |
| 02:27.15 | jOERG_rw | roh: nah, how comes a good key gets compr when used on a bad target? |
| 02:27.35 | roh | jOERG_rw cryptographic mess. |
| 02:27.36 | cesarb | jOERG_rw: highly complex math. |
| 02:27.47 | cesarb | jOERG_rw: only applies to DSA, though |
| 02:27.49 | roh | the bad random let to a basically broken dsa |
| 02:27.57 | cesarb | jOERG_rw: RSA is immune due to its much simpler math |
| 02:28.16 | roh | means one could brute your privkey quite possibly with not much processing power |
| 02:28.38 | cesarb | jOERG_rw: RSA needs truly secure random numbers when being generated. DSA also needs them when being used. |
| 02:28.41 | roh | assumed the connection was sniffed |
| 02:29.04 | jOERG_rw | I know the issue but my keys are good. replace anyway???? |
| 02:31.56 | cesarb | jOERG_rw: if you were using DSA keys, I'd replace them anyway (and start using RSA...). If they were RSA, and not generated on said systems on said period, there's no need. |
| 02:31.57 | jOERG_rw | seems I'm not blacklisted. just did a rsync on varaha |
| 02:32.28 | jOERG_rw | pointer? |
| 02:34.54 | roh | jOERG_rw one cant know which dsa keys could be affected. |
| 02:35.20 | roh | only keys generated with broken random can be detected (in standard keysizes) |
| 02:35.53 | roh | jOERG_rw when your key is dsa, just replace it anyways. its a good default. use rsa with 2k or up. |
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| 02:42.55 | jOERG_rw | roh: thanx. will check |
| 02:44.04 | jOERG_rw | hears birds starting to sing. Time to go to bed :-) |
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| 03:48.45 | Surfer55 | Visit http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com (upload pic make mag) - http://www.SillyWebcam.com (play with webcam online) - http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com (insulter/anon email) - http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com (fun) - http://www.BodySwitcher.com (put your face on funny body) - http://www.MedChecker.com (health) - http://www.Canuckster.com (Canada eh) - http://www.Nerdful.com (geeks) |
| 03:48.47 | *** topic/#openmoko by Surfer55 -> -=[ www.WHAK.com ]=- Make Free/Fun Graphics Online At http://www.ImageGenerator.org =) |
| 03:49.02 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> No, it's not out yet. |
| 03:50.16 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> No, Freerunner is not out yet. Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates . | ASU means April Software Update and is coming soon. http://www.theonion.com/content/video/new_wearable_feedbags_let |
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| 03:59.40 | Sonicadvance1 | omg, free things! |
| 03:59.47 | Sonicadvance1 | goes to surfer66's links |
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| 04:47.32 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4471 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: *modify src/buttonactions.c to make neod use the apm command to suspend the host rather than writing directly to sysfs. Patch by Mike Westerhof: Thanks! |
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| 04:59.47 | fenfir | i shall never know how i lived with out ssh tunnels |
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| 05:49.23 | doc|home | was it just pouches and headsets that come with the ten packs or was there going to be some other things too? |
| 05:55.48 | Sonicadvance1 | 52 packs |
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| 05:57.53 | doc|home | 52 packs in the ten packs?! win! |
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| 06:23.08 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r00b5126af74b 10/odeviced/src/helpers.vala: |
| 06:23.08 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: created a new namespace for helpers. Nested namespaces are similar to |
| 06:23.08 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: static classes in vala |
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| 06:33.27 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 06:52.13 | nshm | hey all |
| 06:52.30 | nshm | I wonder where google soc projects status is tracked? |
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| 06:55.44 | fenfir | here is one of them |
| 06:55.44 | fenfir | http://sudharsh.wordpress.com/category/openmoko/ |
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| 07:02.00 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r17a2b3f221f6 10/odeviced/docs/PLUGINS.txt: Trivial changes to the docs to reflect the latest code |
| 07:02.18 | Sup3rkiddo | thats me! |
| 07:02.27 | Sup3rkiddo | :D |
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| 07:08.30 | linuxxr | where isit |
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| 07:09.48 | nshm | fenfir: thanks, any others? |
| 07:10.13 | fenfir | that's the only one i found easily, i'm sure the others are out there |
| 07:10.20 | Sup3rkiddo | nshm, there is planet-soc.com . |
| 07:10.27 | nshm | let me look |
| 07:10.40 | fenfir | http://code.google.com/soc/2008/openmoko/about.html |
| 07:10.47 | fenfir | you can probably find more with that info |
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| 07:19.16 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r55e61ab9ccb3 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] Upgrade version of neod to 4471 |
| 07:35.20 | methril | morning |
| 07:40.19 | nshm | is still interested in speech recognition one :) |
| 07:40.26 | nshm | well, it seems no info right now |
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| 07:55.01 | mass_stor | how long ll it take to make a kernel image using mokomakefile |
| 07:55.27 | mass_stor | my sys conf is 1GB ram and amd turion processor |
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| 08:06.03 | mass_stor | anyone there? i got a prob while making my openmoko image using openmoko makefile... |
| 08:07.00 | XorA | is here |
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| 08:36.07 | ScaredyCat | puts CM's face on a funny body... oh wait... someone did it already :P |
| 08:37.09 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke * rb7b95a89dfbd 10/qtopiacore/qt/bin/syncqt: [qt] No idea why it wants to escape + from the path... |
| 08:38.26 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7640bb125356 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (xserver-nodm-init.bb xserver-nodm-init/xserver-nodm): [x11] Make sure to set a HOME and LOGNAME when launching |
| 08:38.26 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r268cd43cce2b 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: [qtopia] Allow to build Qtopia/X11 for gta01 |
| 08:38.27 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf7bb4e91c2a8 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11/om-gta01/Xsession.d/89qtopia: [qtopia] Add the Qtopia Xsession start script for gta01 as well |
| 08:38.28 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7bacd949e6a3 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [qtopia] We can now properly name the source directory do so |
| 08:38.34 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r576e128e170c 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11/om-gta01/Xsession.d/89qtopia: [qtopia] Add the Qtopia Xsession start script for gta01 as well |
| 08:38.35 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r9d87d2a38a82 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: [qtopia] Allow to build Qtopia/X11 for gta01 |
| 08:38.39 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r92b36370cf50 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (xserver-nodm-init.bb xserver-nodm-init/xserver-nodm): [x11] Make sure to set a HOME and LOGNAME when launching |
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| 08:41.21 | ScaredyCat | http://tinyurl.com/3rzgqa |
| 08:41.50 | cvdstap | Hi all! I am still eagerly awaiting a production model, any latest gossip about ? |
| 08:42.19 | methril | hhhh |
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| 08:45.09 | tomboy64 | cvdstap: presumably (!) shipping starts by end of june. if mp starts successfully, which it is expected to every week now. |
| 08:45.28 | cvdstap | i just read that on the wiki :) |
| 08:45.43 | tomboy64 | where? |
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| 08:48.08 | cvdstap | like the official link in the channel header? |
| 08:48.31 | tomboy64 | oh |
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| 08:55.06 | cvdstap | How did they tackle the power issues ? |
| 09:03.00 | cvdstap | 150-200 Hrs (GSM) Talk time (Backlight off) Up to 3-4 hrs(GSM) seems like they did |
| 09:04.03 | tomboy64 | wtf? |
| 09:04.14 | tomboy64 | who put those ugly shoes on my bootscren! |
| 09:04.20 | tomboy64 | *screen |
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| 09:05.39 | XorA | :-D |
| 09:06.38 | mass_storr | when i was making my openmoko kernel i got an error while it was compilin libgmp statin that there were multiple declarations for _gmp__ .... |
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| 09:07.47 | mass_storr | i changed the config file : mokofolder/openmoko/target/src/kernel/config/defconf |
| 09:08.07 | mass_storr | is it a problem? i need some help... |
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| 09:29.15 | methril | gnash is not working for me |
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| 09:31.39 | methril | some ext/atomic.h include error |
| 09:31.42 | methril | any clue? |
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| 09:42.59 | tomboy64 | mhm |
| 09:43.17 | tomboy64 | i guess i've never had so many deltas appear on my screen as with git :-| |
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| 10:14.13 | mass_storr | helo anyone had compiled the openmoko kernel before? |
| 10:14.22 | mass_storr | anyone here? |
| 10:16.04 | XorA | mass_storr: once a day everyday |
| 10:20.37 | zedstar | mass_storr out of interest what are u trying to do...setup a development environment or run qemu or ? |
| 10:21.44 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * rf481aaab1745 10/odeviced/plugins/powercontrol/powercontrol.h: add powercontrol.h |
| 10:21.44 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * rf997cdd5bb38 10/odeviced/conf/odeviced.conf: dependency tracking causes segfaults when dbus interface is used to load plugins, disabling it for now |
| 10:21.46 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * rd854e120cec9 10/odeviced/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 10:21.46 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: plugin.vala |
| 10:21.47 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: added dbus_object_path member |
| 10:21.47 | abraxa_ | mass_storr: Not to be impolite, but if you're inexperienced with linux it's a much better idea to follow http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile - and once everything *works* you can try making changes |
| 10:21.47 | mass_storr | i want to set the openmoko in mass storage mode |
| 10:21.49 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: powercontrol/ |
| 10:21.51 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: skeleton dbus iterface |
| 10:22.42 | mass_storr | k |
| 10:23.22 | abraxa_ | mass_storr: Also, you might want to read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html so you get better responses to your requests |
| 10:23.47 | mass_storr | i want to make sure that i can make images for GTA01 and GTA02 using the mokomakefile.... |
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| 10:26.55 | mass_storr | can i create images for both of them. |
| 10:26.56 | mass_storr | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.18 | abraxa_ | That's perfectly fine, just please understand that most people here are busy with other things so the better your questions are, the easier it's for us to help you. That said, lots of people here are struggling with building images for GTA0x because they are constantly being worked on. |
| 10:29.02 | abraxa_ | That's why I recommend getting it working first and only then make changes - if you make changes before you even know it works, we're indirectly forced to assume that it's you who caused the problem |
| 10:30.14 | abraxa_ | That's not meant as an offense, it's a direct result of the complexity of the build system |
| 10:30.56 | mass_storr | abraxa: tats very helping for me from u people. ll get to u after i just make sure it works. |
| 10:31.59 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, hi, iirc, you were having problems with building linux-openmoko? i remember someone having this problem as me |
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| 10:35.36 | abraxa_ | mass_storr: Great. If the wiki article I linked you to is unclear in one way or another, please ask |
| 10:35.51 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: Yeah, I did and I haven't tried since. Lemme do that |
| 10:36.52 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, yeah...i be happy if it barfs in your system :P |
| 10:36.58 | Sup3rkiddo | thanks |
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| 10:50.03 | mass_storr | abraxa: sure man |
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| 11:06.04 | sreekanth | Hi. I am trying to get the gps location from a C program using gps.h in GTA02. Any idea of what should be given for the parameter "Server" in the call gps_open(Server, Port) ? |
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| 11:08.05 | zedstar | sreekanth: gps.h is coming from where? |
| 11:08.06 | sreekanth | Can any one help me regarding this ? |
| 11:08.23 | sreekanth | I installed gps.h frrom the ipk package |
| 11:08.41 | zedstar | what package? |
| 11:09.05 | sreekanth | it is gpsd-dev_2.35-0_armv4t.ipk |
| 11:09.21 | sreekanth | I got it from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ |
| 11:09.26 | zedstar | so it is gpsd? well then u need to give a gpsd server |
| 11:09.34 | zedstar | ie. localhost if u running one |
| 11:09.44 | zedstar | or there are some public test ones |
| 11:10.38 | zedstar | not looked at the code but that would be a good guess |
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| 11:11.10 | sreekanth | I am really not sure whether the process I am doing is correct. Actually my requirement is to access the GPS data from a C program on GTAx. What is the best way to do this ? |
| 11:11.32 | zedstar | u have a gta02? |
| 11:11.35 | sreekanth | yeah |
| 11:11.50 | zedstar | well i dont have one but i believe gypsy is part of ASU ? |
| 11:12.03 | zedstar | otherwise u could use gpsd on gta01 |
| 11:12.17 | sreekanth | ASU ? |
| 11:12.27 | zedstar | obviously u need the gps working and getting data |
| 11:12.58 | sreekanth | you want me to parse the tty/nmeaNP for getting the gps data ? |
| 11:13.12 | zedstar | not unless u want to :) |
| 11:13.25 | zedstar | a very quick google will show u how to get data from gpsd |
| 11:13.44 | zedstar | and the dbus api is also documented for gypsy |
| 11:14.44 | zedstar | but if i had a gta02 i would be looking to use gpsy |
| 11:15.07 | sreekanth | Oh okk |
| 11:15.10 | abraxa_ | zedstar: Accessing the GPS directly isn't "allowed" anyway |
| 11:16.03 | zedstar | abraxa_ that is fine i dont have any need to |
| 11:16.57 | sreekanth | abraxa_: if that is the case, then how will you write gps based programs on openmoko ? |
| 11:17.48 | abraxa_ | sreekanth: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework#GPS |
| 11:19.05 | sreekanth | abraxa_: Do you have any experience in writing the gps based programs for moko ? |
| 11:19.54 | abraxa_ | Unfortunately I don't but the gypsy docs should tell you all you want to know |
| 11:20.20 | abraxa_ | The only real issue you'll be facing is turning the GPS on and off but that's something that Sup3rkiddo is solving :) |
| 11:21.31 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 11:22.05 | sreekanth | abraxa_: which is preferable between libgps and libgypsy ? |
| 11:24.09 | abraxa_ | libgypsy? I dunno how you come up with libgps when gypsy is going to be the only allowed way for GPS access ;) |
| 11:24.12 | Sup3rkiddo | i'd prefer libgypsy because of the dbus thingy |
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| 11:33.12 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * r0974d7baec1d 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 11:33.12 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: Serial handling fixes |
| 11:33.12 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: Refactoring post at command |
| 11:33.12 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: Neo1973 call handling fixes |
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| 11:42.07 | mickeyl | good morning boys and girls |
| 11:42.22 | cb22 | good morning mr mickeyl |
| 11:42.23 | wibbit | mornin |
| 11:42.23 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r33e72ff44a13 10/odeviced/plugins/ (powercontrol/powercontrol.c wifi/wifi.c): fix unloading |
| 11:42.25 | raster | pants on |
| 11:42.26 | Sup3rkiddo | morning |
| 11:42.34 | mickeyl | :) |
| 11:42.43 | mickeyl | raster: of course! :) |
| 11:43.04 | `pwgen` | afternoon .. of course |
| 11:43.08 | raster | mickeyl: then it must not be that early for you! |
| 11:43.09 | raster | :) |
| 11:43.29 | mickeyl | ah, you got me |
| 11:43.34 | mickeyl | 13:43 local time |
| 11:43.41 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: http://pastie.caboo.se/207806 - same old... |
| 11:43.48 | `pwgen` | mickely: ist there something wrong with the freesmartphone git ( i can't access it ) |
| 11:44.08 | mickeyl | i have started to spend the first hours of the day with walking to ease my blood pressure and breath fresh air |
| 11:44.09 | mickeyl | so far it's great |
| 11:44.13 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: let me check |
| 11:44.22 | spyre | mickeyl: and he's alive ;) |
| 11:44.22 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, same problem here |
| 11:44.44 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rea099a5471f5 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [diversity] Add diversity-radar, a GPS location based communicative application |
| 11:45.01 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: works from here. can you pastebin your problem?= |
| 11:45.03 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: Do you know of a bug report? |
| 11:45.11 | raster | methril: thats good! |
| 11:45.12 | `pwgen` | ( i got unable to lookup ( port 9418 ) errors but for example can git the git code |
| 11:45.12 | raster | err |
| 11:45.15 | raster | mickeyl: thats good! |
| 11:45.23 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, no...was a bug filed? |
| 11:45.30 | raster | mickeyl: and in winter spend the first few hours skiing! |
| 11:45.30 | raster | :) |
| 11:45.35 | mickeyl | haha |
| 11:45.37 | mickeyl | not in Frankfurt |
| 11:45.42 | mickeyl | hardly any snow these years |
| 11:45.52 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: That's what I wanted to know :) - if not, we should file one |
| 11:46.01 | tobi | theres no snow in germany |
| 11:46.02 | tobi | :/ |
| 11:46.13 | cb22 | isn't it summer up there? |
| 11:46.18 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, XorA can build it...or he is lying |
| 11:46.21 | tobi | yes |
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| 11:47.03 | abraxa_ | XorA: You around? |
| 11:47.46 | raster | mickeyl: boo! no snow! :( |
| 11:48.00 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: http://www.pastebin.org/40273 |
| 11:48.12 | zash | pasta |
| 11:48.27 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: wrong syntax |
| 11:48.32 | mickeyl | use a dash instead of a : |
| 11:48.42 | mickeyl | http://rafb.net/p/UYoKbF35.html |
| 11:48.42 | methril | raster whats good? |
| 11:49.09 | hepaajan | mickeyl: Have you noticed that gsmd2 has basic support for Neo1973 nowdays? :) |
| 11:49.12 | raster | methril: sorry - mixed you and mickeyl up |
| 11:49.13 | raster | :) |
| 11:49.19 | methril | :) |
| 11:49.35 | Sup3rkiddo | :-) |
| 11:49.45 | mickeyl | hepaajan: i've seen the commits, but did not have a chance to try on the device yet! i guess i need to add telit support in ophoned then, right? ;) |
| 11:49.45 | Sup3rkiddo | :--) |
| 11:50.49 | hepaajan | mickeyl: Yeah ;) |
| 11:50.56 | `pwgen` | so please change it on the freesmartphone wiki this typo is by cut & paste from there |
| 11:51.14 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: done. sorry |
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| 11:51.32 | hepaajan | mickeyl: Basic support == at least calls and sms works |
| 11:51.44 | `pwgen` | *G* nice |
| 11:52.04 | cb22 | I assume Steve's post on the mailing list about pick ups means we could walk in and actually pick up a phone? or does it only apply to larger orders? |
| 11:52.34 | hepaajan | mickeyl: Next on the list are fso muxer support and update to current API |
| 11:52.44 | mickeyl | hepaajan: cool progress! |
| 11:53.20 | mickeyl | cb22: well, it's steve... don't assue, better ask to make it 100% clear |
| 11:53.25 | mickeyl | s/assue/assume/ |
| 11:54.33 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: whats about a configuration backend for the ohphone and deviced ( hard coded timeouts for apm and other things ) |
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| 11:55.15 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: yes. ophone already exports a Server object in addition to the Device object that was supposed to contain a configuration interface (result caching etc.) |
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| 11:55.41 | mickeyl | as for odeviced, right now it reads configuration from files, eventually it will talk to preferencesd _or_ have a config interface, i agree |
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| 11:57.00 | mass_storr | abraxa: i tried compillin without doing any change using d makefile. but d same error... |
| 11:57.05 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rd0d51cdc54d3 10/packages/openmoko-projects/diversity-radar_svn.bb: [diversity] remove PACKAGES = "${PN}" from diversity-radar |
| 11:57.06 | `pwgen` | would it be a good idea createing a more general storeage backend so its possible to store configuration/media with the same mechanism |
| 11:57.29 | mass_storr | abraxa: i started it from the first step again |
| 11:57.30 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: yes. a more generic storage interface is actually what abraxa_ is working on as per GSoC2008 |
| 11:58.02 | abraxa_ | mass_storr: Can you copy the error to e.g. pastebin.org and give us the URL? |
| 11:58.42 | XorA | abraxa_: yes |
| 11:58.45 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: I am? I didn't know configuration data and media files were of my concern :) |
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| 11:59.35 | abraxa_ | XorA: Any idea about http://pastie.caboo.se/207806 ? Sup3rkiddo said you don't have that problem, so we're mildly confused |
| 12:00.18 | Sup3rkiddo | "<XorA> mass_storr: once a day everyday" |
| 12:00.33 | XorA | abraxa_: you have out of date OE |
| 12:00.35 | mickeyl | abraxa_: well, perhaps not configuration, that's more preferencesd, but i would consider some media being interesting as part of the contacts storage |
| 12:00.37 | XorA | SRCREV_pn-linux-openmoko ?= "6f0356ed149557ca4c80aa4ad857d3c878147581 |
| 12:01.05 | mass_storr | abraxa: http://www.pastebin.org/40277 |
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| 12:01.46 | Sup3rkiddo | i did do "make update", i thought that automagically updates the SRCREVs for me |
| 12:02.19 | XorA | Sup3rkiddo: did you move onto the git MokoMakfile? |
| 12:02.32 | Sup3rkiddo | XorA, yeah i did |
| 12:02.45 | Sup3rkiddo | even clobbered everything |
| 12:02.48 | XorA | well cd into you git directory and do git-pull |
| 12:02.52 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, et vous? |
| 12:03.01 | Sup3rkiddo | XorA, oh |
| 12:03.27 | XorA | brb, my USB has crashed again, need to reboot |
| 12:04.28 | abraxa_ | XorA: Out of date OE? Am I using the wrong branch or how can I remedy that? |
| 12:05.51 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: Ah okay - I'm thinking in terms of mail attachments here but yeah, some media would be part of PIM indeed |
| 12:06.06 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, where do you blog? |
| 12:06.33 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: I don't - I enjoy my privacy and I rather work than write stuff no one cares about ;) |
| 12:06.44 | Sup3rkiddo | bleh to you |
| 12:06.58 | Sup3rkiddo | ~trout abraxa_ |
| 12:06.59 | apt | ACTION slaps abraxa_ around a bit with a large trout! |
| 12:07.05 | abraxa_ | =p |
| 12:07.24 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 12:07.25 | mwester | doesn't blog; he just states his opinions on IRC and mailing lists |
| 12:07.32 | mwester | :p |
| 12:07.46 | mickeyl | actually i want to encourage the GSoC students to write biweekly status reports during the time |
| 12:08.01 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, ^^ |
| 12:08.01 | mwester | saw mickeyl 's blog, and thinks he's messing with everyone's heads! :D |
| 12:08.03 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: Where to? |
| 12:08.09 | mickeyl | openmoko-devel should be it |
| 12:08.16 | abraxa_ | h okay |
| 12:08.28 | mickeyl | mwester: ;) that wasn't my intention |
| 12:09.31 | mwester | hehe! I'll bet you've still gotten quite a lot of questions asked about that, though! |
| 12:09.34 | XorA | returns |
| 12:09.42 | XorA | abraxa_: did you move to the git MokoMakfile? |
| 12:10.07 | mickeyl | mwester: *nod* |
| 12:10.40 | XorA | will just wear chainmail when around mickeyl just in case :-) |
| 12:10.46 | abraxa_ | mass_storr: Can I please see the make command you entered and the contents of your build/conf/local.conf ? |
| 12:11.40 | mwester | XorA: good morning... the unofficial not-Openmoko's-doing ASU support for GTA01 lacks audio? or did I mess up my build or miss something? |
| 12:12.03 | XorA | mwester: its possible, I didnt have anything audio to test with |
| 12:13.03 | mass_storr | abraxa: i hope u read the end of the text tat i sent. it had the gist of the errors. More than twice i read the mokomakefile link from top to bottom. |
| 12:13.06 | mwester | Ok, I take a closer look. I can't find pulse audio on the image, and nothing modprobes the audio drivers. I'll poke at the build a bit to see if it had trouble semewhere. |
| 12:13.12 | `pwgen` | mickeyl abraxa_: the config/datastorage should also being able to store recorded phonecalls / ringtones and mms things . |
| 12:13.13 | XorA | mwester: I think qpe should be swithing audio profiles right |
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| 12:13.35 | XorA | mwester: hmm, the modules should be set to automodprobe in the packages |
| 12:14.06 | abraxa_ | `pwgen`: Ring tones? |
| 12:14.18 | mwester | Yes, as I understand it nothing has changed with the base system. |
| 12:14.27 | mwester | Oops, gotta run for a second... |
| 12:15.17 | Sup3rkiddo | annual bath day...bbl |
| 12:15.26 | abraxa_ | XorA: Does "make update-makefile" not suffice to be up-to-date as you specifically ask for a git Mokomakefile? |
| 12:15.54 | XorA | abraxa_: it should, but it looks like your git isnt updated for either asu or .dev branches |
| 12:16.40 | abraxa_ | XorA: Seemingly, yeah. I did a git pull, it did update sane-srcrevs.inc but still - same error. |
| 12:17.07 | XorA | abraxa_: odd |
| 12:17.18 | XorA | abraxa_: almost as if its looking at the wrong OE |
| 12:17.36 | `pwgen` | abraxa: i think selecting, changeing ringtones sould be possible |
| 12:17.41 | mwester | abraxa_: what's the build failure? |
| 12:17.41 | abraxa_ | XorA: DISTRO = "openmoko" / DISTRO_VERSION = "P1-Snapshot-20080603" |
| 12:17.48 | abraxa_ | XorA: Could that be the culprit? |
| 12:18.14 | abraxa_ | mwester: http://pastie.caboo.se/207806 |
| 12:18.25 | XorA | abraxa_: that shouldnt break anything |
| 12:18.44 | abraxa_ | `pwgen`: Ah, yes. Just not my area :) |
| 12:18.48 | mwester | Ack! THAT one! |
| 12:18.52 | XorA | abraxa_: does your old OE mtn directory still exist? try moving that if it does |
| 12:19.06 | XorA | abraxa_: if that errors it will narrow down the problem |
| 12:20.04 | abraxa_ | NOTE: package linux-openmoko-1_2.6.24+git20080603-r0: task do_fetch: completed |
| 12:20.20 | abraxa_ | Doing the git pull *and* updating the makefile yet again did it |
| 12:20.41 | abraxa_ | XorA: Thanks for the help :) |
| 12:21.53 | XorA | abraxa_: no probs, spread the word now :-) |
| 12:23.37 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: When you get back, can you please try updating the makefile before you try the git pull - I'd like to know if that fixes it already |
| 12:23.37 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: (phonecalls, ringtones, etc.) yes, most of this is oeventd and opreferencesd though. I probably have to add more examples on OpenmokoFramework so that we all agree on the "big picture" ;) |
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| 12:27.57 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: do you have more to add( or write someting to add ) ? opreferencesd for example seemes very small in size ;-) |
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| 12:30.27 | abraxa_ | mass_storr: Well, the error itself is good to know, but in order to determine the cause, I need more information - in particular the stuff I asked for :) |
| 12:30.43 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: well, there's no code for a lot of stuff. framework initiative has just started |
| 12:30.48 | mickeyl | but we will move fast |
| 12:31.12 | mickeyl | important is to make clear how all that stuff interacts |
| 12:31.25 | mickeyl | this is what I'm working on besides getting my hand dirty on ophoned :) |
| 12:31.52 | mickeyl | if you want to help us, please subscribe smartphones-devel and lets talk about big picture and APIs |
| 12:32.07 | mickeyl | if you want to implement something, lets talk on openmoko-devel |
| 12:32.20 | mickeyl | i prefer mail to IRC for most discussions |
| 12:32.28 | mickeyl | gives a chance to think things through |
| 12:32.29 | mickeyl | :) |
| 12:32.46 | mickeyl | s/smartphones-devel/smartphones-standards/ |
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| 12:36.41 | `pwgen` | so i am not wrong looking at the openmokoframework an missing a lot of things |
| 12:37.54 | mickeyl | no, that's correct. |
| 12:38.38 | mickeyl | tell us what you are missing, we make it fit in. but think API and integration plans first, then implementation |
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| 12:39.21 | mickeyl | i mean even a simple thing like ringin is very complex in the framework |
| 12:39.38 | mickeyl | since it depends on eventd, preferencesd, contextd, phoned, and deviced |
| 12:39.38 | mickeyl | :D |
| 12:40.00 | mickeyl | but it's going to be simple for the API consumer |
| 12:40.04 | mickeyl | that's what counts |
| 12:40.35 | mickeyl | and now it's dinner time |
| 12:40.36 | mickeyl | bbiab |
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| 12:45.51 | sreekanth | After connecting the openmoko to my pc, can I use the pc as GPS receiver ? |
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| 12:46.05 | cb22 | yep, in one way or another |
| 12:46.23 | `pwgen` | sure i know that. and we did a short talked at linxutag2008 about this. |
| 12:46.42 | sreekanth | `pwgen`: any hints ? |
| 12:47.23 | `pwgen` | and it also should requires gstreamer, what is ( i think for know ) not in the openmoko-devel or underground image |
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| 12:48.31 | cb22 | `pwgen`: huh? how does using the neo as a gps dongle to a pc need gstreamer? |
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| 12:48.41 | `pwgen` | and an complete audi management and config management and ... i should write a long email to openmoko devel .. and set up an trac |
| 12:49.16 | sreekanth | `pwgen`: can you give me any url regarding this ? |
| 12:49.37 | `pwgen` | cb22 gstreamer .. framework to do audio/ maybe video handling , playing ogg store/copy streams... |
| 12:50.06 | abraxa_ | `pwgen`: gstreamer is used for audio already |
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| 12:52.25 | `pwgen` | http://www.pastebin.org/40294 i have played a little with gstreamer pulsaudio dbus-ringing |
| 12:53.07 | SpeedEvil | On audi managment. I'm planning on once I get my Engine controller up, to getting megatunix up and running on my neo for engine tuning. |
| 12:53.30 | `pwgen` | *FG* s/audi/audio/ .. |
| 12:53.39 | SpeedEvil | I know :) |
| 12:53.49 | sreekanth | `pwgen`: can you give me any url where I can find the info about receiving the gps data on my PC via ? |
| 12:53.56 | sreekanth | via openmoko |
| 12:54.04 | SpeedEvil | sreekanth: you mean live? |
| 12:54.10 | SpeedEvil | sreekanth: over GPRS? |
| 12:55.17 | `pwgen` | start gllin with the socket option and tunnel it via ssh to your target. or look at the openmoko page there were samples how to do this |
| 12:55.25 | sreekanth | SpeedEvil: not via GPRS. I want to act my PC as a GPS receiver when I connect the openmoko to my pc. |
| 12:55.36 | sreekanth | `pwgen`: ok |
| 12:55.40 | mwester | wonders if what sreekanth wants is just to run gpsd on the freerunner, and on the PC point the application to the remote IP address and port number for gpsd on the freerunner? |
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| 12:56.33 | `pwgen` | sreekanth: in the past i have seen there sample how to use the gps receiver like an bluetooth dongle ( btserial ) |
| 12:56.51 | sreekanth | ok |
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| 12:59.22 | kramer | if this is the wrong channel for this i apologize, but has anyone else had problems building qtopia-phone-x11 for gta01? i keep getting an error during the compile complaining that the linker cannot find Xtst, any thoughts? |
| 13:00.44 | mass_stor | how to switch the openmoko from usbnet to mass storage mode. is compiling the kernel (with usb_file_storage=y) the only option? |
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| 13:05.27 | abraxa_ | kramer: This is the right place to ask this indeed, however you might want to use one of the pastebins to show us your error ;) |
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| 13:08.32 | abraxa_ | mass_stor: I'm not sure what you mean by "mass storage mode". Do you mean USB host mode? |
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| 13:17.32 | balrog-kun | mass_stor: you need to build it as a module iirc and rmmod usbnet and modprobe g_file_storage |
| 13:17.49 | balrog-kun | or maybe there was a /sys node for switching... |
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| 13:19.38 | kramer | abraxa_: thanks, i'm new to irc so i'll need some assistance with the paste bin, but the short version is: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXtst |
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| 13:20.08 | abraxa_ | ~pastebin |
| 13:20.10 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 13:20.16 | XorA | kramer: install libxtst-dev for you distro |
| 13:20.30 | XorA | kramer: or equivalent |
| 13:21.50 | XorA | ~curse qtopia |
| 13:21.51 | apt | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, qtopia ! |
| 13:22.04 | mass_stor | abraxa: I want openmoko to act as a usb peripheral device not as a usb host, so that i can mount openmoko s filesystem or parts of it on other systems |
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| 13:22.49 | abraxa_ | mass_stor: Ah okay - I'd try balrog-kun's suggestion then |
| 13:23.40 | mass_stor | balrog-kun: exactly i m on the same path u r sayin. trying to build it, but got stuck up in the building process... |
| 13:24.01 | kramer | XorA: many thanks! its now installed and we'll see what the compile does... |
| 13:25.51 | mass_stor | balrog-kun: Is the alternate which u suggested currently a workin one? |
| 13:26.08 | mass_stor | balrag-kun:the /sys node |
| 13:26.35 | balrog-kun | mass_stor: lemme check... |
| 13:28.23 | `pwgen` | mass_store: what you meant i the g_file_storage module, it emulates the behavior of an usb stick, so you can use your internal SD card as usb stick |
| 13:29.14 | `pwgen` | i tried it on an zaurus c3200 with no success ( older 2.18 kernel ) |
| 13:31.13 | mass_stor | pwgen: i m not sure. i got the info and i m tryin it. it act as driver kinda thing makin the device to act as usb stick. u can mount internal card or a partition usin this... |
| 13:31.48 | balrog-kun | mass_stor: modules seem to be the only way, there's no /sys node that i can find |
| 13:32.22 | mass_stor | pwgen: i got into contact with a person yang.lu from the community mailing list. He has succedded usin neo like a usb stick... |
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| 13:35.18 | mass_stor | to all: i m tryin to build openmoko image using moko makefile but i get an error while compilation of a package gmp-native. anyone here came across simillar kinda problem? |
| 13:36.18 | oversky | hi is there michael? |
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| 13:37.12 | richard_ | good afternoon! (at least in germany) |
| 13:37.34 | richard_ | ia am trying to run gta02 with qemu, but had no success so far |
| 13:38.06 | richard_ | -M gta02fake produces errors, regardless what combination of uboot, kernel and filesystem images i try |
| 13:38.31 | richard_ | does someone know a working way to run qemu -M gta02fake? |
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| 13:40.19 | richard_ | if i just replace gta01 with gta02fake when starting qemu, U-Boot fails with the following messages after selecting to boot: |
| 13:40.28 | richard_ | incorrect device type in kernel |
| 13:40.32 | richard_ | 'kernel' is not a number |
| 13:40.37 | richard_ | Bad Magic Number |
| 13:44.28 | zash | ea 05 00 c0 |
| 13:44.54 | richard_ | ? |
| 13:45.14 | zash | first 4 bytes from my kernel image |
| 13:45.46 | zash | on my laptop |
| 13:46.05 | zash | 'kernel' is not a number ... |
| 13:46.10 | SpeedEvil | richard_: you are using the 01 kernel? |
| 13:46.13 | SpeedEvil | richard_: you are using the 02 kernel? |
| 13:46.19 | richard_ | i tried both |
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| 13:47.17 | mass_stor | anyone else who got simillar compilation error while buildin the openmoko? (error is--> package gmp-native-4.2.1-r2: task do_compile: failed ) |
| 13:48.22 | richard_ | the wiki says i would have to patch the kernel and replace gta01 with gta02fake - as my restrictive firewall prevented me from downloading the patches i tried it with 02 kernel images |
| 13:49.18 | richard_ | i tried replacing gta01 with gta02fake both just at the end (when i call qemu to run) and later also in openmoko/env so that flash.sh uses that, too |
| 13:49.45 | richard_ | the general question is: when i want to run qemu gta02fake, which u-boot, kernel and image version do i have to use? all gta02? |
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| 13:50.37 | richard_ | zash: what do you mean? what should i check? |
| 13:51.14 | zash | richard_: iduno, where did the 'kernel' come from |
| 13:52.57 | richard_ | must be something in flash.sh |
| 13:53.21 | richard_ | but it does work with -M gta01 |
| 13:53.44 | richard_ | i guess something in flash.sh must be adjusted for gta02 |
| 13:55.30 | richard_ | my idea was to get a general howto which uboot/kernel/image versions i should use (gta01 or 02?, some newer version known not to work with qemu?, ...) and whether the -M gta02fake change should be done in openmoko/env or only when running qemu at the end? |
| 13:56.05 | `pwgen` | mass_store: did you try a modinfo g_file_storage and inserted it with the corrcet parameters ? |
| 13:56.36 | richard_ | i have followded the steps on the wiki (Openmoko under QEMU / Manual setup) |
| 13:58.47 | richard_ | but it may be that i messed up something meanwhile : ( |
| 13:59.05 | richard_ | so please tell me: what is the cleanest way to get qemu running a gta02 image + kernel? |
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| 14:00.07 | richard_ | MokoMakefile works, but only for gta01, dunno what to change for gta02(fake) |
| 14:00.28 | mass_stor | pwgen: In my neo101 and neo1973 (openmoko image got from ttp://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ ) , i cant find a module named g_file_storage. I guess the g_file_storage option was not set in my openmoko build... |
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| 14:03.49 | mass_stor | So i m tryin to build a image with that option set in the conf file( {moko_build_dir}/openmoko/trunk/target/src/kernel/conf/defconfig ). |
| 14:05.54 | `pwgen` | mass_stor: that should be thr right way. |
| 14:06.13 | mwester | mass_stor: were you sucessful in building the stock (unmodified) image first? |
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| 14:07.22 | mass_stor | mwester: No i get the error when the build process was compilin package gmp-native |
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| 14:07.42 | `pwgen` | you should change on your buildhost into the build directory, there you can make a "bitbake path_to_kernel-moko-file -c clean/configure/compile " |
| 14:08.11 | richard_ | please tell me, what do i have to change when to make MokoMakefile download gta02 images to run with -M gta02fake instead of gta01 images to run with -M gta01? |
| 14:08.19 | mwester | mass_stor: what is your host system? |
| 14:08.26 | `pwgen` | so you can follow if your changes in .config will also build your a right kernel |
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| 14:10.07 | mass_stor | Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.21-2950.fc8xen #1 SMP Tue Oct 23 12:24:34 EDT 2007 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux |
| 14:11.06 | mickeyl | pwgen: oh that's you! |
| 14:12.07 | richard_ | noone knowing a way to run gta02fake qemu? : ( |
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| 14:12.26 | tomboy64 | richard_: it's in the wiki, isn't it? |
| 14:12.40 | richard_ | for gta01, yes |
| 14:12.42 | richard_ | for gta02, not really |
| 14:13.15 | mass_stor | yeah if it builds with the changes.... but it didn build with changes. And without changes too it gave the same error on same package |
| 14:13.57 | richard_ | in the wiki it says i can just replace gta01 with gta02fake and it should work |
| 14:14.04 | richard_ | even with gta01 uboot, kernel and flash image |
| 14:14.10 | richard_ | but it doesn't |
| 14:14.34 | richard_ | it gives me the error i mentioned earlier, already in u-boot |
| 14:15.28 | mass_stor | pwgen: yeah if it builds with the changes.... but it didn build with changes. And without changes too it gave the same error on same package |
| 14:15.33 | richard_ | replacing the default gta01 u-boot with a gta02 one fails while running flash.sh with tons of s3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20 while flashing errors |
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| 14:18.17 | mwester | mass_stor: :( Xen kernel caused me endless problems; but that's not the current symptom you are encountering. I think there's more going on. Are you using the master makefile? |
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| 14:20.17 | mwester | mass_stor: Please pastebin the log from the failing build task. |
| 14:20.49 | zash | pasta! |
| 14:21.39 | ScaredyCat | removes ladyboy boots from startup |
| 14:21.40 | mwester | suspects that confusing pastebin with pasta will lead to increased hunger. |
| 14:21.51 | ScaredyCat | pasta bin? |
| 14:22.09 | mass_stor | mwester: http://www.pastebin.org/40318 |
| 14:22.37 | richard_ | tomboy64 - please tell me where to search for the information i need if nobody can help me here. i am trying to get qemu gta2 to run for two days now and really get somehow disappointed : ( |
| 14:23.04 | tomboy64 | richard_: it seems like you have to do it manually. |
| 14:23.14 | tomboy64 | richard_: get the sources and read the accompanying docs |
| 14:23.37 | tomboy64 | richard_: i'm myself not into the build-structure of om yet; i'm using mokomakefile now for the first time. |
| 14:24.10 | mwester | mass_stor: pastebin /home/antony/moko_copy/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/gmp-native-4.2.1-r2/temp/log.do_compile.1305 <--- that's the complete log |
| 14:24.46 | CVirus | what's with the stupid joke in the topic ? |
| 14:24.55 | CVirus | link whatever |
| 14:24.55 | richard_ | what exactly do you mean with manually? compiling the source instead of using the images provided but still using mokomakefile? or not using mokomakefile at all? |
| 14:25.15 | tomboy64 | richard_: the latter. |
| 14:25.52 | richard_ | ok, in fact i started with that... but did not find the things i have to do for gta02 |
| 14:26.00 | mwester | richard_: I rather suspect that you are travelling in rather uncharted areas. Few people have worked with GTA02 emulation with qemu; GTA01 is adequate for user-space applications, and there is little support for GTA02 hardware. So I think that there is no easy-to-follow and complete source for the info you request. :( |
| 14:26.34 | mwester | richard_: What exactly is the need you have for emulation of the gta02? |
| 14:26.59 | mwester | Or is it just to run the latest 02 builds? |
| 14:28.27 | richard_ | i have to work on a project involving wifi communication, gps positioning and displaying warnings on the gta02 once it arrives. it is already ordered |
| 14:28.49 | richard_ | it is kind of a supplement to car2car communication |
| 14:29.05 | wibbit | richard_: you've been able to order the gta02? |
| 14:29.21 | richard_ | in very indirect ways, yes |
| 14:29.26 | mwester | :( I'm afraid you'll find that the qemu emulation doesn't include wifi emulation. |
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| 14:29.53 | richard_ | i know that, but i want to be as near at the gta02 specs as possible |
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| 14:30.26 | mwester | I don't know that anyone has gotten the new GTA02 images (ASU images) running on qemu yet. You might be the first, when you succeed. |
| 14:30.33 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * rfbee7957efb8 10/oeventd/oeventd: Fix some leftovers from odeviced |
| 14:30.36 | richard_ | i am going to write some map application. there the problem starts: gtk or qtopia? |
| 14:31.07 | abraxa_ | EFL ;p |
| 14:31.37 | wibbit | richard_: I thought it may be some thing like that |
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| 14:31.58 | richard_ | therefore i want to see the newest versions |
| 14:32.04 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * r836c091405ee 10/ousaged/ousaged: Fix some leftovers from odeviced |
| 14:32.14 | mass_stor | mwester: any alternate site to send u my error log. bcos tat log exceeds pastebins max size.... |
| 14:32.34 | richard_ | to prevent that i do something that is useless a month later because i have worked on old base code... |
| 14:33.29 | richard_ | mwester: sorry, i missed your message. did it work with older gta02 images? |
| 14:33.37 | richard_ | what has changed with the new ones? |
| 14:33.53 | richard_ | as a first step it would be nice for me to have ANY image running with -M gta02fake... |
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| 14:36.24 | mwester | mass_stor: What we're looking for is the first set of errors in that log; just paste that part of it. |
| 14:37.37 | tomboy64 | richard_: why not support navit? or tangogps |
| 14:37.39 | tomboy64 | ? |
| 14:38.30 | mass_stor | mwester:http: the first one by fourth contents of the log ... //www.pastebin.org/40324 (I hope this ll giv a info) |
| 14:39.24 | richard_ | because i have some very special needs - unfortunately including some things that will not be openly documented at first |
| 14:39.32 | mass_stor | mwester: the loc where i think the error exact info starts is : http://www.pastebin.org/40326 |
| 14:39.50 | richard_ | this is "future development" at a german automotive supplier... |
| 14:40.44 | mass_stor | mwester: the first one by fourth contents of the log ... http://www.pastebin.org/40324 (I hope this ll giv a info) |
| 14:41.22 | richard_ | the second problem is: a preliminary thing has to be running in september |
| 14:41.55 | richard_ | so i cannot apply the normal "it's done when it's done" approach : ( |
| 14:42.16 | richard_ | as gta02 hardware is delayed week by week, i have to start with emulation now |
| 14:42.53 | richard_ | on the other hand i do not want to develop something that runs fine in gta01 emulator, but does not integrate with the new qtopia based environment on gta02 |
| 14:43.05 | mass_stor | mwester: the log ends lik dis... http://www.pastebin.org/40327 I m makin your job a bit difficult but i don know how to present you the log in a better way |
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| 14:44.21 | mwester | mass_stor: There's no reason for such a failure; problems with gmp have been resolved for a long, long time, and many people have built with FC8. So there's no easy fix that I know of. |
| 14:45.02 | mwester | mass_stor: I would recommend that you delete the entire content of the "tmp" directory, and start fresh after replacing your kernel with a non-Xen kernel. |
| 14:47.03 | richard_ | anyway, i see that i do have to start the hard way compiling everything from scrath |
| 14:47.15 | richard_ | what way should i follow? |
| 14:47.54 | mwester | There is only One True Way -- the Way of the Master Makefile |
| 14:47.54 | richard_ | : ) |
| 14:48.03 | richard_ | using MokoMakefile as a base or ignoring it? |
| 14:48.05 | mass_stor | i tried from after deleting the tmp dir but same error... k u mean to work on a different HOST kernel other than xen? |
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| 14:48.31 | mass_stor | mwester: i tried from after deleting the tmp dir but same error... k u mean to work on a different HOST kernel other than xen? sorry i am a bit new... |
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| 14:49.34 | mwester | mass_stor: Yes, try the standard non-xen kernel for your host; it will not fix this problem but it will avoid others (the details of which I can no longer recall, but it would not run certain host applications that were necessary). |
| 14:50.01 | mwester | richard_: Master Makefile == MokoMakefile |
| 14:50.25 | richard_ | ok |
| 14:51.20 | mwester | Note that it will, by default, build for the GTA01 -- you'll have to edit the Makefile to set if for the GTA02 and to select the ASU branch, if that's the one you want to use. |
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| 14:52.48 | richard_ | where can i change that? it seems not to be in the main makefile... |
| 14:53.14 | richard_ | or is it just MACHINE = om-gta01 changing to om-gta02? |
| 14:53.30 | `pwgen` | building openmoko on an AMD AMA2 based xen engine works excellent ( need 60000 cpu units ) |
| 14:54.03 | richard_ | changing the branch has to do be done manually with git i think? |
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| 14:55.53 | rene80 | mickeyl: are u there? |
| 14:56.47 | richard_ | anyway, i have to leave irc now - anything apart from normal http is a bit problematic at my site atm : ( |
| 14:56.56 | richard_ | thanks for all your information! |
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| 14:57.10 | mickeyl | rene80: kind of. what's up? |
| 14:57.21 | richard_ | bye and thanks again |
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| 14:58.50 | rene80 | mickeyl: can I write you an private message (in german)? I have some questions about your butter and bread app!? |
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| 14:59.32 | mickeyl | hmm, k |
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| 15:01.35 | telmich | hello |
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| 15:02.21 | haakeyar | rene80/mickeyl: Feel free to make it public. Maybe it can be of interest to others too. |
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| 15:08.22 | telmich | it looks pretty good for the gta02, if I read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates correctly...very nice! |
| 15:10.20 | mickeyl | well, yeah |
| 15:10.25 | mickeyl | just the factory needs some kicking |
| 15:10.28 | mickeyl | :) |
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| 15:16.53 | Tanuva | does the factory require you to do some more yield testing or do you really want to? ;) |
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| 15:17.09 | mickeyl | well |
| 15:17.10 | Tanuva | (as if this would make a difference - just curious) |
| 15:17.11 | mickeyl | both |
| 15:17.19 | mickeyl | say, yield is 50% |
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| 15:17.27 | mickeyl | we have to sell freerunners for double the price :D |
| 15:17.35 | Tanuva | thats too much, yep :D |
| 15:18.13 | mickeyl | and since we can't change the price now, we have to make sure yield is high enough to not lose money |
| 15:21.21 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl: FIC / OM don;t seem to be listed as being at Computex... are they there? |
| 15:21.36 | mickeyl | i have no idea, sorry |
| 15:21.41 | mickeyl | but i would be very surprised if they were not |
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| 15:21.48 | mickeyl | i mean it's right next to their HQ |
| 15:22.04 | ScaredyCat | hrmm, would they share a stand? |
| 15:22.56 | mickeyl | definitely |
| 15:23.19 | mickeyl | but it's perfectly possible that only FIC is there |
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| 15:24.42 | ScaredyCat | yeah, he looked for FIC and First International Computer - nothing |
| 15:24.49 | ScaredyCat | in the directory |
| 15:25.49 | mickeyl | http://www.fic.com.tw/ |
| 15:25.55 | mickeyl | computex 2008 banner right on top |
| 15:26.16 | cb22 | say, any interesting events happening in europe in july? |
| 15:26.18 | mickeyl | To learn more about FIC and their entire line of products, visit booth C614 (Exhibition Hall 1) at Computex 2008 or see www.fic.com.tw |
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| 15:26.25 | ScaredyCat | found them |
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| 15:26.28 | ScaredyCat | yah |
| 15:26.37 | Tanuva | cb22: wacken 2k8? :D |
| 15:26.41 | ScaredyCat | slapped him a couple of times :) |
| 15:26.43 | mickeyl | hehe |
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| 15:27.12 | cb22 | Tanuva: that om related? |
| 15:27.19 | Tanuva | cb22: not at all |
| 15:27.36 | mickeyl | i dunno 'bout any events in july |
| 15:27.36 | Tanuva | just the first thing that came to my mind |
| 15:27.43 | cb22 | hehe thouught not |
| 15:27.52 | mickeyl | i can only guess they don't want to present anywhere without 02 in MP |
| 15:27.58 | mickeyl | which is understandable :D |
| 15:28.05 | cb22 | mickeyl: boo :( |
| 15:28.11 | mickeyl | next conference i'm going to is FrosCon |
| 15:28.14 | mickeyl | in august |
| 15:28.32 | cb22 | and in december? |
| 15:28.39 | ScaredyCat | surely that'd be BoilCon |
| 15:28.42 | tobi | ScaredyCat: Can you tell me one image from your uploads that works quit well (gta01) |
| 15:28.45 | mickeyl | heh |
| 15:28.49 | Qwell | mickeyl: come to AstriCon. Phone geeks would love to see OM, I'm sure. :D |
| 15:28.55 | ScaredyCat | todays tobi! |
| 15:29.02 | tobi | k thx |
| 15:29.10 | mickeyl | i'd love to, but i promised my wife not to travel so much this year |
| 15:29.13 | ScaredyCat | astricon shmastricon |
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| 15:29.33 | Qwell | mickeyl: not fair using the wife as an excuse :) |
| 15:29.41 | mickeyl | heh, but is so :) |
| 15:29.48 | ScaredyCat | she's real? |
| 15:29.50 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 15:29.58 | mickeyl | very |
| 15:30.47 | ScaredyCat | they think I'm pretending here, and that the picture I have on my desk came with the frame |
| 15:31.20 | zedstar | u sure she not from realdoll.com scaredycat? ;) |
| 15:32.03 | ScaredyCat | her mouth is closed in the picture... |
| 15:32.08 | zedstar | lol |
| 15:34.30 | zedstar | hmm i might trade my wife in for one of those realdoll's they look good! |
| 15:34.41 | ScaredyCat | with realistic hair? |
| 15:34.47 | zedstar | u can choose |
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| 15:35.34 | ScaredyCat | if you get one without hair... you could lock yourself in a cupboard with it and pretend you are in prison |
| 15:35.50 | Qwell | ...TMI |
| 15:36.04 | zedstar | they do a man version |
| 15:36.18 | zedstar | charlie |
| 15:37.01 | ScaredyCat | lol -they do a shemale too |
| 15:37.09 | Qwell | blinks |
| 15:37.29 | ScaredyCat | apparently they can add a penis to any of them |
| 15:37.33 | zedstar | ahaha |
| 15:37.55 | zedstar | oh no charlie retired! |
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| 15:39.58 | ScaredyCat | WTF!! "Extra Eyes (Pair)" |
| 15:40.27 | zedstar | wonders how many are browsing that site now |
| 15:40.44 | ScaredyCat | you should have added your referer id :) |
| 15:40.50 | zedstar | lol |
| 15:41.11 | zedstar | they probably think they are has a DoS attack right now |
| 15:41.53 | ScaredyCat | "(16:36:35) Nick: found them on the booth map" |
| 15:42.03 | ScaredyCat | FIC that is, not realdoll |
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| 15:51.52 | ScaredyCat | can't help but think that all these eeepc clones are missing the point.... price |
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| 15:52.42 | Weiss | can't say he isn't tempted by one though |
| 15:53.17 | ScaredyCat | my laptop cost less that the pricing for the clones |
| 15:53.41 | ScaredyCat | it suits me fine... and there's supposed to be a sub 100euro laptop out soon |
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| 15:57.41 | Dominus | Well arguably the form factor is what makes it not compete with normal laptops. |
| 15:58.06 | Dominus | Before I lost my Sony picturebook, I had a handful of distinct use cases for it. |
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| 15:58.07 | zedstar | the biggest joke was the palm folio....luckily they decided to bin it |
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| 15:58.35 | Dominus | If something like the Palm Folio would cost say, $150, there would definitely be a market. |
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| 15:59.13 | Tanuva | Id never want to use such a tiny screen for productivity... |
| 15:59.21 | zedstar | yeh it was ridiculously overpriced |
| 15:59.34 | Dominus | Depends on what kind of productivity, I guess :) |
| 16:00.03 | Tanuva | productivity (eng.): sitting in front of a screen all day doing something useful. :D |
| 16:00.09 | Dominus | I'm a lazy bum, so I used my picturebook mainly for casual surfing around the house and watching movies in airplanes or other means of transportation. |
| 16:00.21 | Tanuva | but its even useless for watching movies in the evening... |
| 16:00.36 | zedstar | what is quite nice on the eeepc is being able to connect it to a proper display |
| 16:00.58 | Dominus | Hmm, whenever I have access to a proper display, I have access to a decent machine as well. |
| 16:01.22 | mwester | insists on nothing less than a 22" flat panel |
| 16:01.31 | zedstar | yeh sure...but ive been places where ive done that as they werent my machines to use |
| 16:01.38 | Tanuva | I think I'd rather invest something more and get some decent thinkpad... at least for work, maybe some 3d would be nice, too :D |
| 16:01.45 | XorA | mwester: we might have dificulty fitting that into gta03 |
| 16:01.53 | Dominus | has 2 17" flat panels for physical separation sweetness |
| 16:02.10 | mwester | :) I'm not unreasonable. Just need the VGA connector. |
| 16:02.26 | Qwell | mwester: dvi* |
| 16:02.31 | Qwell | (dual-dvi) |
| 16:02.32 | mwester | :D |
| 16:02.42 | mwester | Powered by the glamo, of course! |
| 16:02.44 | Qwell | or just go with hdmi |
| 16:03.09 | Tanuva | yay, 1920x*** powered by glamo® :D |
| 16:04.06 | mwester | BTW, I agree about the Thinkpad - excellent laptop for linux work, and the T42's are pretty reasonable on the used/off-lease market. |
| 16:04.37 | Dominus | If the battery isn't battered. |
| 16:05.18 | mwester | well, you just have to assume that any used battery is gonna be crap (and maybe once in a long while you'll be pleasantly surprised) |
| 16:06.13 | mwester | and buying batteries off eBay is just as dangerous as buying SD cards off eBay... |
| 16:06.31 | Qwell | what's wrong with buying SD cards on ebay? |
| 16:06.55 | XorA|gone | Qwell: SD cards by default are blank plastic, how do you know what the card really is |
| 16:07.12 | mwester | Lots of "forgeries" (1GB cards reflashed to appear as 2GB cards, etc) |
| 16:07.14 | Qwell | I guess really, the question is s/SD cards//, to which the answer is quite well known |
| 16:07.18 | XorA|gone | somewhere Sandisk has a gallery of forded card stickers |
| 16:07.21 | kdean06 | Some people hate eBay for the dishonesty factor. |
| 16:07.28 | kdean06 | I've never have a bad eBay transaction. |
| 16:07.47 | XorA|gone | treads careful with ebay, but uses it a lot |
| 16:07.59 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * r4320ab4d09bd 10/src/zhone: Display the incoming number correctly |
| 16:08.08 | kdean06 | But personally, I don't by electronics from eBay, they're always used (which I dont' want) or overprices. |
| 16:08.24 | kdean06 | For some reason, that's how electronics trickle down on eBay. |
| 16:08.51 | Dominus | For me it's an easy way to do international business. Because Ebay NL isn't very impressive. |
| 16:09.00 | Dominus | I get a lot from Ebay.de though. |
| 16:10.15 | Dominus | Though I wish Ebay.com.hk worked bether. |
| 16:14.11 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r9f5e091e0dd2 10/ophoned/gsm/ (parser.py unsol.py): python-ophoned: strip " from CLIP to peer in CallStatus signal |
| 16:14.51 | ZaPPaS | hello, sry a bit off-topic, but has anyone a clue how to use a "usb battery pack" to charge an a780 which is not recognized as a power supply? comp. /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode on openmoko |
| 16:15.30 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * r4c21c3a24f42 10/oeventd/modules/ (manager.py receiver.py trigger.py): Handle audio scenarios and vibrator |
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| 16:22.31 | Avenged-Revenge | Are there any recent updates on the status of the freerunner? The community updates haven't been updated in a while |
| 16:23.06 | mmontour | steve posted an update to the community ML a day or two ago. |
| 16:23.27 | kdean06 | Still waiting on approval to do full mass production runs, last I knew. |
| 16:23.40 | kdean06 | Playing ping pong with factory over run yeild. |
| 16:24.01 | Avenged-Revenge | ah, thanks |
| 16:26.45 | Avenged-Revenge | so what are we looking at in terms of release times? A month or two? |
| 16:27.00 | mickeyl | only people in the factory can answer that :/ |
| 16:27.32 | XorA|gone | when 1973 finally comes around again |
| 16:27.32 | haakeyar | Buuut, if they make a couple of hundred phones each test run, they should already have built quite a few phones, right? Are they unable/not allowed/... to sell these phones? |
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| 16:28.56 | ScaredyCat | year are wrapping now? |
| 16:29.00 | ScaredyCat | years |
| 16:29.11 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: I bet most computer in 9999 will wrap :-) |
| 16:29.40 | kdean06 | Y10K bugs! |
| 16:29.50 | ScaredyCat | yeah, but yu'll all be dead and the world will be mine, allll mine muwhaha muwhhahahahah muwhahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaahah |
| 16:31.08 | ScaredyCat | see.. ^^ it's starting already :> |
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| 16:31.57 | ScaredyCat | returns to eating lettuce |
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| 16:33.18 | abraxa_ | haakeyar: I'd assume the number of phones built per test run is less than 50; if that's the case they can use them internally for testing and debugging |
| 16:33.43 | linuxxr | http://www.coreboot.org/News#2008.2F05.2F28_coreboot_booth_at_LinuxTag_in_Berlin |
| 16:34.44 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * r621f92895e1a 10/oeventd/modules/receiver.py: Simple support for ringing |
| 16:34.50 | linuxxr | if its under 50 % seems they would want to tweak the process atleast to 80% |
| 16:35.48 | Qwell | less than 50 phones* |
| 16:35.59 | linuxxr | oo |
| 16:36.04 | Qwell | 50% yield would mean finding a new place to make them |
| 16:36.11 | linuxxr | ok |
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| 16:43.16 | roh | uff |
| 16:44.21 | roh | linuxxr *g* om is also moving away from uboot slowly |
| 16:46.41 | kdean06 | What's wrong with uboot/ |
| 16:46.57 | nibbler_de | and - where are you moving to? |
| 16:47.14 | roh | you have twice the amount of work for system setup and drivers |
| 16:47.18 | roh | kboot. |
| 16:47.31 | mwester | kexec is the solution. |
| 16:47.33 | roh | basically something which can only load and kick in a kernel with a append line |
| 16:47.58 | roh | mwester: ack. |
| 16:47.58 | roh | so boot is either 'boot in default, be in linux _very_ soon' |
| 16:47.58 | Qwell | neat |
| 16:48.25 | Blastur | anyone know if you can use a PC6400 RAM in a motherboard that only supports PC3200? i dont expect it to run at full speed, but will it at least run at PC3200 speed? |
| 16:48.28 | mwester | I've used kexec for a long while to do kernel devel and debug on another console-less device; it's come a long way, and it really works well. |
| 16:48.31 | roh | or 'boot rescue linux with initrd' which gives you a shell, a ncursed ui or whatever and you can exec the regular linux kernel and its fs from there |
| 16:49.28 | roh | means all device-pullup and drivers move completely into linux. the bootloader can get very dumb, needs no UI or so, only detect one button and eventually light a led or so. |
| 16:50.08 | roh | so changes in drivers need to be done only once. in the kernelcode. which is the same for the rescure and the regular kernel :) |
| 16:50.33 | roh | faster development, more clean, less tricky boot concept. |
| 16:50.46 | haakeyar | abraxa_: I think Steve wrote somewhere that they did create a hundred or more devices in each test run, but maybe I don't remember correctly - I am unable to find the message. |
| 16:50.57 | roh | and it boots faster in total since linux gets executed earlier |
| 16:51.20 | roh | hey haakeyar. thanks for the css fix btw. |
| 16:53.21 | nibbler_de | nice |
| 16:54.17 | roh | heck, one could even put some simple ui into the rescue partition allowing downloading and flashing images via wireless or so |
| 16:54.42 | roh | its opensource, nearly anything is 'possible' *ducks* |
| 16:54.53 | haakeyar | Hey roh. No problem. :) Btw, does this repo have its own public url or is it only available through trac? http://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac/browser/trunk |
| 16:55.00 | nibbler_de | yeah - that's quite a problem - anything is possible ;) |
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| 16:55.30 | roh | haakeyar https://webdesign.openmoko.org/svn |
| 16:55.53 | roh | haakeyar its public readable since a very long time.. just was never public linked or so. |
| 16:55.54 | mwester | roh: that's been done for other devices, and I've a setup that uses a command line to select a kernel using tftp, ftp, ssh, or http -- very do-able. |
| 16:56.16 | haakeyar | roh: Thanks. I had no idea you had a public repo with (parts of) the code behind the websites. That's great. :-) |
| 16:56.28 | roh | haakeyar we already have quite some confusion for the newcomers with our zillions of different repos and scm ;) |
| 16:56.33 | mwester | It's a great idea, and I think it needs to be back-ported to the GTA01 and 02 (it'll work with u-boot, no need to change that) |
| 16:57.05 | roh | haakeyar basically all skins are in there. the only stuff which is missing is configs and passwords (guess why ;) |
| 16:57.27 | roh | most are based on opensource or public designs, so its only correct to have it public i think |
| 16:58.31 | roh | mwester: i imagine that building some simple app in curses, similar to the uboot menu in design (press aux for next, and short power for select) could be quite small and easy to hack. |
| 16:59.21 | roh | just needs to execute scripts then.. eventually even build it as 'scan directory, display the name without .sh of each script and replace _ by ' ' in the display' or so |
| 16:59.22 | mwester | The devil is in the details; but there is an existing project in OE for other devices that does this (don't remember the name right now) |
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| 16:59.40 | roh | i know. |
| 17:00.13 | roh | next thing is getting that nasty suspend bug which involves rootfs on sdcard to die. seems to affect not only mokos but also eee-pc and others |
| 17:01.00 | roh | because the (kboot) bootloader, the rescure-initramfs and the rescure kernel reside in flash, the kernel and rootfs should go to the sdcard. |
| 17:01.14 | roh | no more 'flash too small' issued. just pop in a bigger one |
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| 17:01.32 | mwester | Exactly what I was thinking -- that also solves the "image-too-big-for-the-gta01" problem we already ahave. |
| 17:01.37 | roh | yeah |
| 17:02.00 | roh | even when kboot isnt planned for gta01 or 02 (could be backported of course, but its not focus) |
| 17:02.27 | mwester | Sure, we just use u-boot in a limited fashion, no need to replace it... |
| 17:04.12 | roh | could do. yes. slows booting a bit, but works |
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| 17:06.45 | haakeyar | roh: The html files on the main page are not generated (anymore), but edited by hand? |
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| 17:07.42 | haakeyar | s/main page/openmoko.com |
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| 17:08.06 | haakeyar | hm... how does that search/replace bot work? |
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| 17:08.47 | Qwell | haakeyar: / at the end too |
| 17:08.55 | Qwell | s/too/also/ |
| 17:09.36 | haakeyar | Qwell: ah, of course, thanks :) |
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| 17:23.49 | ||Leto|| | what does openmoko contain hdparm for? o.O |
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| 17:32.25 | CVirus | hehe |
| 17:36.57 | mwester | tomboy64: for USB-attached mass storage devices, perhaps? |
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| 17:37.22 | tomboy64 | mhm |
| 17:37.25 | tomboy64 | maybe :-D |
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| 17:50.48 | TAsn | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/new_wearable_feedbags_let |
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| 17:54.49 | raboof | wouldn't it make sense to have a translucent touchscreen keyboard (easily enabled/disabled) filling much more of the screen? |
| 17:55.27 | raboof | with todays high-resolution but still rather small displays that sounds much better than making the keyboard actually take up visible space |
| 17:56.53 | raboof | esp. in landscape mode |
| 17:58.04 | jamasi | with an adaptor cable it should be possible to connect an usb keyboard to the frerunner, right? |
| 17:58.44 | raboof | i suppose so, yeah - but my guess is as good as yours :) |
| 17:59.11 | jamasi | would be quite an unique feature. |
| 18:01.23 | raboof | (and here i was thinking i was original - http://www.soft32.com/download_158780.html - guess not ;). though that implementation is rather crude) |
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| 18:17.33 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r0f4530f85abe 10/odeviced/plugins/ (powercontrol/Makefile.am wifi/Makefile.am): libraries changed from libfoo to foo |
| 18:17.41 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * re37d0a94974a 10/odeviced/conf/odeviced.conf: All plugins are autoloaded at startup now, added plugins_path |
| 18:17.42 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r11272d3c8f51 10/odeviced/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 18:17.42 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) Plugins unloading disabled. |
| 18:17.42 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) All plugins in the specified location are autoloaded on startup |
| 18:17.42 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 3.) Removed the dbus interface for the service. |
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| 18:25.58 | tomboy64 | is it possible to use mokomakefile with distcc? |
| 18:26.00 | tomboy64 | if so, how? :-D |
| 18:28.41 | woglinde | openbemedded is able to build vie icecream |
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| 18:29.54 | doc|work | is there any equivalent to crackberry's mail push stuff for FOSS? |
| 18:30.01 | tomboy64 | icecream? |
| 18:30.05 | tomboy64 | mhmmm |
| 18:30.14 | doc|work | mmmmicecream |
| 18:30.32 | tomboy64 | :-D |
| 18:30.45 | tomboy64 | woglinde: do you have docs on how to enable that for om? |
| 18:34.25 | woglinde | hm unfornatly no one wrote a wiki page about, the only doku seems to be in http://oe.linuxtogo.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/classes/icecc.bbclass |
| 18:34.40 | woglinde | I didnt use myself |
| 18:34.46 | woglinde | but you could ask in the #oe channel |
| 18:34.49 | woglinde | or the oe ml |
| 18:34.55 | zedstar_ | doc|work i dunno how blackberry works but there is IDLE mode for IMAP which does push |
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| 18:36.37 | doc|work | zedstar_: yeah, the reason I asked is that me and someone in another channel were talking about phones and people (who think they're important business people) like the push stuff in blackberries, would be nice if that could be used in the freerunner. New slogan: "As good as your blackberry *and* you can install shit on it" :) |
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| 18:36.54 | tomboy64 | woglinde: thanks so far |
| 18:37.05 | doc|work | that would negate the need for expensive crackberries and the exchange tie in that goes with it |
| 18:39.12 | zedstar_ | u just need a client that supports IDLE rfc 2177 and a server configured for it |
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| 18:40.38 | doc|work | zedstar_: cool |
| 18:40.44 | Farsaroni | a friend told me there will be location based profiles... is this true? |
| 18:41.08 | SpeedEvil | Anyone can implement them. |
| 18:41.12 | SpeedEvil | Nobody yet has. |
| 18:41.31 | doc|work | Farsaroni: there can be (almost) whatever you want :) |
| 18:41.37 | SpeedEvil | If you're wanting a polished product, come back in a year probably. |
| 18:41.42 | SpeedEvil | At best. |
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| 18:41.46 | doc|work | heh |
| 18:42.36 | Farsaroni | thanks. I think I'm ready for an unstable phone. I want to support the cause |
| 18:42.49 | doc|work | :) |
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| 18:44.29 | |cody| | heyya! |
| 18:44.45 | |cody| | So can the openmoko power a usb wirless adapter? |
| 18:44.50 | |cody| | wireless* |
| 18:45.19 | SpeedEvil | Openmoko is a distribution of linux. |
| 18:45.19 | |cody| | I have one of those asus 802.11g 54Mpbs deals |
| 18:45.20 | tomboy64 | it has wifi built in |
| 18:45.22 | SpeedEvil | So no. |
| 18:45.30 | |cody| | okay |
| 18:45.43 | |cody| | I am specifically talking about the 1st gen of neo1973 |
| 18:45.46 | SpeedEvil | The older hardware product - the Neo1973 - doesn't supply USB power |
| 18:45.47 | tomboy64 | if you meen the freerunner-mobile phone |
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| 18:46.03 | |cody| | okay no power=no wireless |
| 18:46.06 | |cody| | man that sucks |
| 18:46.06 | SpeedEvil | The neo1973 is not available any more |
| 18:46.17 | SpeedEvil | not quite - you can supply the power externally |
| 18:46.38 | |cody| | Yeah, but then you loose the mobility factor |
| 18:46.50 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 18:46.58 | tomboy64 | just get the freerunner - you have everything built in |
| 18:46.59 | |cody| | Okay. |
| 18:47.03 | SpeedEvil | It can be a small battery, not a huge device |
| 18:47.16 | |cody| | Is the freerunner available now? |
| 18:47.22 | |cody| | Are there any available? |
| 18:47.39 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 18:47.50 | |cody| | I checked the waiting list... |
| 18:48.11 | |cody| | looks pretty long |
| 18:48.12 | tomboy64 | the freerunner is about to be mass-produced |
| 18:48.24 | |cody| | When is the tentative release date/ |
| 18:48.25 | |cody| | ? |
| 18:48.25 | tomboy64 | and the waiting-list comes from lots of geeks waiting for it for 2 years now |
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| 18:48.35 | tomboy64 | probably (!) end of june |
| 18:48.41 | |cody| | Bomb! |
| 18:49.11 | tomboy64 | plus about a month of shipping, depending on where you're sitting |
| 18:49.14 | CVirus | I can't wait that long |
| 18:49.34 | tomboy64 | :) |
| 18:49.47 | tomboy64 | you've been waiting for 2 years, now you can't wait 2 more months? |
| 18:50.44 | Tanuva | and 2 more, and 2 more... but since we all WANT this device, we will wait. :D |
| 18:51.40 | tomboy64 | :) |
| 18:51.42 | tomboy64 | indeed |
| 18:52.05 | tomboy64 | read the ml. there just has been a thread about mp-status. |
| 18:52.11 | |cody| | Okay, maybe someone here can direct me in the right direction. I have the neo1973 and I want to forward internet traffic through my kubuntu box. I was following some wiki on the OpenMoko site that seemed to not do the Kubuntu side of things service. Can you guys send me to the right place? I was using this wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 18:52.14 | jamasi | <gollum>my precious.</gollum> |
| 18:52.56 | abraxa_ | |cody|: There are instructions for Ubuntu on there - did they not work? |
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| 18:53.28 | |cody| | True that... |
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| 18:53.49 | |cody| | I started to think that I needed something built into my kernel... |
| 18:54.03 | |cody| | maybe to make my desktop act somewhat as a router. |
| 18:54.36 | abraxa_ | |cody|: You do |
| 18:55.01 | |cody| | Okay, well I have an "out of the box" install right now. |
| 18:55.16 | |cody| | so I suppose I'll need to apt get some kernel sources |
| 18:55.30 | abraxa_ | |cody|: Looking at the wiki it seems that the stock distribution comes with everything you need |
| 18:55.31 | |cody| | and do some configging. |
| 18:55.39 | |cody| | okay. |
| 18:55.46 | |cody| | I'll show you what I have |
| 18:55.49 | abraxa_ | okay |
| 18:55.52 | |cody| | ...Where can I paste the files? |
| 18:56.02 | |cody| | Is there some paste.com ? |
| 18:56.08 | tomboy64 | rafb.net/paste |
| 18:56.11 | |cody| | sweet |
| 18:56.14 | |cody| | thanks |
| 18:56.24 | tomboy64 | yw |
| 18:56.47 | woglinde | ~pastebin |
| 18:56.47 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 18:58.45 | |cody| | interfaces file: http://rafb.net/p/kfEcog28.html |
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| 19:00.11 | |cody| | and rules file: http://rafb.net/p/ZNM5fo62.html |
| 19:00.27 | |cody| | seems to check out... but my neo can't find google! |
| 19:00.33 | |cody| | :-( |
| 19:00.49 | doc|work | what's the web browser like in ASU? |
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| 19:01.35 | abraxa_ | |cody|: What's the network your router and desktop/laptop share? |
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| 19:03.20 | linuxxr | http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/ |
| 19:03.34 | linuxxr | oooo yey |
| 19:03.51 | doc|work | linuxxr: two words, numb fingers |
| 19:04.08 | linuxxr | oo |
| 19:04.29 | linuxxr | it looks too good to be tru |
| 19:04.36 | doc|work | imagine how sore you'd be after banging the tips of your fingers off a desk for an hour a day? :) |
| 19:04.39 | |cody| | abraxa_: Hmm, not sure I know how to answer that. My desktop is definiitely not a 192 network |
| 19:04.49 | |cody| | not on a* |
| 19:04.52 | linuxxr | just needs some work on the software |
| 19:05.21 | abraxa_ | |cody|: Okay, just wanted to make sure it's not 192.168.0.0 as well. What does "ifconfig usb0" say? Does it exist? Is it up? |
| 19:05.37 | linuxxr | maybe a padded top |
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| 19:06.01 | linuxxr | i guess then u carry a rollup one |
| 19:06.14 | linuxxr | strike that |
| 19:06.35 | |cody| | abraxa_: Yeah it's up. I have no problem with the ssh status |
| 19:06.47 | |cody| | I can ping my neo and all that jazz |
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| 19:07.21 | abraxa_ | |cody|: Can you ping 64.233.187.99 from the Neo? |
| 19:09.04 | |cody| | abraxa_: Hmm, my neo can ping googles ip, and can indeed ping that address you provided. It seems to be having a problem with name resolution.... |
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| 19:09.33 | abraxa_ | |cody|: Check your /etc/resolv.conf then, please |
| 19:09.45 | abraxa_ | It should have the IP of your router |
| 19:10.04 | |cody| | nameserver 192.168.0.200 |
| 19:10.12 | abraxa_ | Yeah, that's the default |
| 19:10.22 | |cody| | K, |
| 19:10.29 | |cody| | I'll put the router status in there. |
| 19:10.31 | abraxa_ | It's set assuming that the host will run a DNS server, which most people arne't doing :) |
| 19:12.08 | XorA|gone | abraxa_: heathens |
| 19:12.21 | abraxa_ | heathens? |
| 19:12.32 | |cody| | abraxa_: You are the mfing man/woman |
| 19:12.40 | |cody| | Thanks for the help |
| 19:12.51 | abraxa_ | |cody|: lol, I rather not be ;) - but glad to help |
| 19:13.24 | XorA|gone | abraxa_: Dictionary a. One who is regarded as irreligious, uncivilized, or unenlightened. |
| 19:13.41 | abraxa_ | XorA|gone: Oh, a fool. So enlighten me :) |
| 19:14.03 | XorA|gone | apt-get install dnsmasq, so easy, so quick :-) |
| 19:15.21 | abraxa_ | Yes to both, but still optional and not the default ;) |
| 19:15.42 | abraxa_ | Not to say that 192.168.0.200 is wrong, just saying |
| 19:18.33 | |cody| | SpeedEvil: I was curious what device you would use for a wireless interface onthe neo 1973 with this external power source |
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| 20:05.11 | juri2 | ok, who do i kick for bricking my openmoko? |
| 20:05.43 | cb22 | yourself? |
| 20:05.44 | juri2 | todays opkg update; opkg upgrade caused the machine to run out of disk space. and now, i have "Permission Denied" trying to run opkg. |
| 20:06.08 | cb22 | (my toung in cheek, of course :) |
| 20:06.25 | juri2 | technically, its not a brick yet, but i can't think of a way out when the package manager is gone. |
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| 20:06.53 | juri2 | cb22: its always yourself. i've been trying to raise the dead in #openmosix, instead of working on this project. :) |
| 20:07.17 | summatusmentis | penmosix? I thought that was dead? |
| 20:07.26 | juri2 | kicks summatusmentis. |
| 20:07.38 | juri2 | we live again at linuxpmi.org. |
| 20:08.14 | juri2 | the linux process migration infrastructure project. openmosix-lite, done by real open source programmers, not accademia. :) |
| 20:08.35 | summatusmentis | my mistake, when I looked into it a few years ago, there weren't any plans that I could find for openmosix to start supporting 2.6 |
| 20:09.01 | juri2 | mind you, at the rate we're going, we'll have a release... about the time my openmoko is a usable phone. <tongue_in_cheek_too! :P > |
| 20:09.13 | woglinde | lol |
| 20:09.30 | summatusmentis | well that's no fun |
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| 20:10.01 | juri2 | i'd say join in, but you're doing me as much good here, since i only use my openmoko. luckily, i bought the jtag board, so can reset to a known good software config. |
| 20:10.31 | summatusmentis | lol, I don't have time for either openmosix or openmoko right now |
| 20:10.37 | summatusmentis | working with openafs on Summer of Code |
| 20:10.46 | woglinde | summatusmentis ui cool |
| 20:10.56 | summatusmentis | and I don't have money for a FreeRunner either :-/ |
| 20:11.00 | summatusmentis | woglinde: ui? |
| 20:11.05 | woglinde | but time for chatting |
| 20:11.12 | woglinde | ui == something like nice |
| 20:11.12 | summatusmentis | meh, sort of |
| 20:11.24 | summatusmentis | oh, I've neve seen that before |
| 20:11.27 | woglinde | after soc you the money |
| 20:11.33 | woglinde | +have |
| 20:11.34 | summatusmentis | for tuition, yes :) |
| 20:11.54 | woglinde | for 10 freerunners |
| 20:11.55 | woglinde | hjahaha |
| 20:12.18 | summatusmentis | lol, I have no use for 10 freerunners :) |
| 20:13.05 | tomboy64 | but i would |
| 20:13.11 | juri2 | sure you do. openmosix cluster. :P |
| 20:13.15 | tomboy64 | distcc over freerunners :-D |
| 20:13.27 | tomboy64 | that would rck |
| 20:13.29 | tomboy64 | rock |
| 20:13.33 | summatusmentis | juri2: lol :) |
| 20:13.34 | tomboy64 | via gprs, too |
| 20:13.34 | juri2 | distcc is a hack. openmosix for the win. :) |
| 20:13.41 | summatusmentis | that would require openmosix to not be dead >_> |
| 20:13.46 | tomboy64 | lol |
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| 20:13.57 | juri2 | kicks summatusmentis again. we live! :P |
| 20:14.15 | summatusmentis | lol, according to the page, only in alpha, on 2.6.17 |
| 20:14.30 | juri2 | right. we're pre-release. |
| 20:14.40 | summatusmentis | that's not life.... |
| 20:14.43 | summatusmentis | >_> |
| 20:14.53 | juri2 | but there are several developers working on it again, and we do make progress. |
| 20:15.19 | summatusmentis | I'm just being antagonistic, it's cool that openmosix is at least trying |
| 20:15.34 | juri2 | last night, we almost had a public git repository, but the box i donated for hosting had a hardware issue. i've been to site and fixed it. |
| 20:15.42 | summatusmentis | LOL |
| 20:15.47 | woglinde | hm |
| 20:15.52 | woglinde | thats murphy |
| 20:15.58 | woglinde | and he will come often |
| 20:16.04 | summatusmentis | alright, back to documentation, toodles all |
| 20:16.50 | juri2 | so, any advice on fixing this b0rk3d openmoko? |
| 20:17.03 | juri2 | i've got ssh into it.. lemme see if i can scp files in.. |
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| 20:17.32 | juri2 | ok, yea, i can push/pull files. what to remove? where to get a new opkg binary? |
| 20:18.21 | juri2 | first, i guess i should delete the package files for the packages i was upgrading. where are those stored? |
| 20:18.43 | tomboy64 | hrmhrm |
| 20:18.51 | tomboy64 | i'm running qemu now |
| 20:19.10 | tomboy64 | and it complains badly about s3c_mmci_writew: Bad register 0x38 |
| 20:20.18 | woglinde | juri2 try find -name "*.ipk" |
| 20:20.26 | tomboy64 | and then it dies saying "no space left on device" ... |
| 20:20.28 | tomboy64 | wtf? |
| 20:24.30 | CVirus | I wonder why wouldn't OM ship with larger capacity batteries ? |
| 20:24.39 | CVirus | like 5700mAh instead of 1200mAh |
| 20:24.46 | juri2 | JFFS2 warning: (4127) jffs2_do_read_inode_internal: Truncating ino #4793 to 153952 bytes failed because it only had 131072 bytes to start with! |
| 20:24.55 | igor321 | is that even possible? |
| 20:24.57 | juri2 | is this filesystem corruption i'm fighting? |
| 20:25.03 | woglinde | maybee |
| 20:25.19 | juri2 | *sigh* |
| 20:26.04 | balrog-kun | tomboy64: the mmci rant is unrelated |
| 20:26.07 | tomboy64 | CVirus: cause you'd then have a brick of 2kilograms instead of a mobilephone of 200grams |
| 20:26.21 | balrog-kun | tomboy64: is there space on all devices you can imagine qemu may be using? |
| 20:26.27 | tomboy64 | balrog-kun: what else is responsible then? |
| 20:26.30 | tomboy64 | uhm |
| 20:26.35 | tomboy64 | yeah |
| 20:26.47 | wurp2 | CVirus: Are there 5700 mAh batteries with a form-factor vaguely comparable to the batteries shipped in the neo? |
| 20:27.05 | CVirus | form-factor ? |
| 20:27.10 | wurp2 | size & shape |
| 20:27.13 | balrog-kun | tomboy64: could you copypaste the whole output to a pastebin somewhere? |
| 20:27.34 | tomboy64 | balrog-kun: i'm at it right now |
| 20:27.39 | wurp2 | CVirus: really, volume is all I care about |
| 20:27.43 | CVirus | wurp2: no idea really |
| 20:29.00 | tomboy64 | wurp2: size and weight rise almost proportionally with the amount of mAh stored by a battery |
| 20:29.32 | wurp2 | Oh. I would think the reason the neo didn't ship with 5700 mAh batteries is because they're prohibitively expensive, prohibitively large, have some other huge problem (i.e. good only for a small-ish # of recharges) |
| 20:29.40 | woglinde | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2781381975.html |
| 20:30.00 | wurp2 | s/ have / or have / |
| 20:30.26 | tomboy64 | balrog-kun: http://rafb.net/p/bLfB1H38.html |
| 20:31.31 | balrog-kun | tomboy64: i don't see the "no space on device" |
| 20:31.40 | balrog-kun | looks like a ^C :) |
| 20:31.48 | tomboy64 | balrog-kun: http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot200806032227ft8.png |
| 20:32.00 | tomboy64 | i did the ^C when i got a login in the qemu-window |
| 20:33.12 | balrog-kun | you're running out of space in the flash |
| 20:33.22 | balrog-kun | i don't see what's wrong with that :) |
| 20:34.11 | tomboy64 | uh |
| 20:34.34 | tomboy64 | well, no running os i'd call kinda wrong ... |
| 20:34.45 | CVirus | woglinde: where can I buy those chinese phones from ? |
| 20:35.06 | tomboy64 | balrog-kun: is there an error in my procedure? |
| 20:35.15 | balrog-kun | try filling the HD on your desktop and your OS will not run either :) |
| 20:35.27 | tomboy64 | :-| |
| 20:35.34 | tomboy64 | so, what did i do wrong then? |
| 20:35.43 | balrog-kun | you have too much stuff in the flash |
| 20:35.46 | balrog-kun | get rid of something |
| 20:35.52 | tomboy64 | uh huh ... like? |
| 20:36.28 | tomboy64 | i followed the advice in the wiki - i really have no clue what i could get rid off |
| 20:36.32 | tomboy64 | of |
| 20:36.35 | woglinde | glibc |
| 20:36.38 | woglinde | for instance |
| 20:36.40 | woglinde | *g* |
| 20:36.52 | balrog-kun | well, i don't either |
| 20:36.59 | balrog-kun | perhaps python etc |
| 20:37.11 | balrog-kun | you're asking me why you ran out of space :p |
| 20:37.36 | tomboy64 | well, it's a pre-built image i'm loading there. |
| 20:37.51 | tomboy64 | i have no idea on where to delete it either. |
| 20:37.58 | woglinde | use 'du' to find out where the space is consumed most |
| 20:40.41 | tomboy64 | well, is it save to erase openmoko/trunk? |
| 20:41.48 | balrog-kun | tomboy64: i suggest you use ScaredyCat images for the moment, instead of the default ones |
| 20:41.48 | balrog-kun | there's a bigger chance that someone tests them |
| 20:42.26 | balrog-kun | otherwise you would either need to build your custom images or run the emulator, wait until a login prompt appears and the inside it delete some stuff, with a high chance of deleting something you shouldn't touch |
| 20:42.37 | balrog-kun | *then |
| 20:42.43 | tomboy64 | mhm |
| 20:43.10 | tomboy64 | where can i find scaredycats images? |
| 20:43.36 | balrog-kun | at http://buildhost.automated.it/ |
| 20:44.15 | juri2 | ok, i've backed up /dev/mtd* to the mmc card... |
| 20:45.01 | juri2 | does the openmoko normally support loopback device usage? |
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| 20:45.14 | juri2 | (mine appears to have no loop module anymore) |
| 20:48.22 | cb22 | kdean06: ping |
| 20:49.19 | kdean06 | cb22, pong |
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| 20:50.47 | cb22 | kdean06: since you happen to have a freerunner, there is one thing ive never heard about on it... |
| 20:51.08 | cb22 | video playback |
| 20:51.19 | kdean06 | Doesn't work as far as I know. |
| 20:51.39 | cb22 | not at alll? |
| 20:51.56 | cb22 | not even mplayer |
| 20:52.01 | kdean06 | As far as what I know, the Freerunner video capacity is REALISTICALLY LESS than the GTA01. |
| 20:52.17 | kdean06 | In theory, it would be MORE but there's no drivers to take advantage of the Xglamo chipset. |
| 20:52.36 | wurp2 | GTA01 used to play video at 320x240 just fine, once you put it in the right format |
| 20:52.46 | kdean06 | I've been told that SOME people can play video on 01, it never worked for me. |
| 20:52.51 | wurp2 | although switching back into a mode where you could use the UI was problematic |
| 20:52.53 | cb22 | yeah, thats what i understand, in theory |
| 20:52.58 | wurp2 | kdean06: heh |
| 20:53.10 | kdean06 | So perhaps it DOES work on Freerunner, but video I encounter "in the wild" has never worked on any device. |
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| 20:53.48 | wurp2 | kdean06: I thought I read some email by raster that implied that even w/ glamo acceleration it would be hard to fit enough bandwidth to the glamo to render 320x240 at reasonable framerate |
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| 20:54.34 | cb22 | but if you could try and mplayer a random flv off youtube if you get the chance, it would be realy appreciated |
| 20:55.12 | cb22 | according to raster, that should work |
| 20:55.17 | kdean06 | wurp2, I dunno. Perhaps. I recall reading somethign about the SD and video busses sharing... |
| 20:55.46 | kdean06 | But frankly, unless there's a video formatter, I would consider the limitations on what can be played pretty signifigant. |
| 20:56.01 | kdean06 | I don't know, or care, what res my video is on my Debian box. :P |
| 20:56.04 | kdean06 | I just play it. :) |
| 20:56.18 | kdean06 | And Openmoko plays my MP3's regardless of bitrate. :) |
| 20:56.45 | kdean06 | For me, and how I would use it, Openmoko has no video support. I don't no too much beyond my personal use cases. :) |
| 20:56.50 | cb22 | the glamo is connected via sdio afaik, and the sd card is connected to the glamo |
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| 20:58.47 | cb22 | kdean06: phonescan handle crazy files some times, ive played a normal 700mb avi on my phone, via wifi |
| 20:59.34 | doc|work | j ##ronpaul |
| 20:59.40 | doc|work | whoops, sorry |
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| 21:00.19 | CVirus | cb22: what phone is that ? |
| 21:00.57 | cb22 | CVirus: nokia e51 |
| 21:01.02 | CVirus | nice |
| 21:01.11 | cb22 | using core player |
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| 21:06.47 | wurp2 | kdean06: OM plays your mp3s regardless of bitrate? |
| 21:06.56 | kdean06 | As far as I know. :P |
| 21:06.56 | wurp2 | Because mine dies on some because they're the wrong bitrate |
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| 21:13.24 | juri2 | my oggs are encoded too highly. |
| 21:14.59 | doc|work | kinky |
| 21:15.43 | SpeedEvil | If they need too much CPU to do, then it won't work |
| 21:16.04 | methril | night |
| 21:16.13 | doc|work | night |
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| 21:19.41 | juri2 | or, the OM just needs a higher speed decoder. |
| 21:20.10 | juri2 | i've been in the buisness of optimizing "hard" problems. (gabor filters anyone?). |
| 21:20.54 | cb22 | id imagine tremor is being used? |
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| 21:27.35 | juri2 | ok, freed up some space. any chance i can get someone to send me a new opkg binary? |
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| 21:32.19 | SpeedEvil | The irony! http://www.ipodnn.com/articles/08/06/03/monopoly.at.itunes.store/ |
| 21:37.54 | juri2 | no offense, but is there another openmoko channel? like a real dev channel? it strikes me as odd that despite so many people being present here, no-one can DCC me a file from their openmoko. |
| 21:38.13 | SpeedEvil | Here is a bit of a quiet time |
| 21:38.20 | SpeedEvil | now is |
| 21:38.34 | SpeedEvil | look at gllin on the wiki |
| 21:38.46 | SpeedEvil | If you juyst want any opkg |
| 21:39.04 | juri2 | i'd like one thats real recent. this openmoko has been kept up to date. |
| 21:39.13 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 21:39.15 | juri2 | tries the one in the gllin chroot. |
| 21:39.27 | SpeedEvil | There is only one 'recent' gllin one |
| 21:39.36 | SpeedEvil | http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/Download |
| 21:39.38 | SpeedEvil | there too |
| 21:39.58 | juri2 | i've noted that the OM build is being updated. isnt this like the third "release" of the userspace stuff? |
| 21:40.35 | abraxa_ | juri2: The entire rootfs is available in single files on the buildhost |
| 21:40.38 | juri2 | whats on my openmoko initially dosent even look like what i have now. i'd imagine that would go down to the OS components. especially since it was replacing opkg when things went wrong. |
| 21:40.52 | abraxa_ | juri2: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/rootfs/ |
| 21:41.05 | juri2 | abraxa: thanks. *thats* what i'm looking for. :) |
| 21:42.00 | abraxa_ | Hm. 16-Nov-2007? Odd. |
| 21:42.12 | SpeedEvil | Also - if I'm just skimming hte channel, I don't read all of sentances - if your request had begin 'can I' - then I might have responded. |
| 21:42.12 | juri2 | except thats an ancient version, and no /usr/bin/opkg-cl exists. |
| 21:42.25 | juri2 | bangs head into wall. |
| 21:42.41 | abraxa_ | juri2: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/rootfs/ is better ;) |
| 21:42.45 | SpeedEvil | Beginning with 'freed up some space' I just ignored it as something that I wasn't interested in. |
| 21:43.07 | juri2 | aha. |
| 21:43.12 | juri2 | found it on my own. :) |
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| 21:43.50 | CVirus | can I run WoW on my FreeRunner ? |
| 21:43.50 | CVirus | :-p |
| 21:44.31 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 21:44.33 | SpeedEvil | Qemu |
| 21:44.34 | tobii_ | rofl |
| 21:44.42 | CVirus | haha |
| 21:44.49 | kdean06 | Yes! |
| 21:45.03 | kdean06 | CVirus, I've got a killer level 70 pally. |
| 21:45.20 | kdean06 | isn't serious. Can't even pretend to be. |
| 21:45.26 | CVirus | kdean06: I quit after lvl 25 undead warrior |
| 21:45.40 | kdean06 | is dumbstruck at the mention of a palladin worthy of awe. |
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| 21:48.20 | |cody| | Has anyone heard of skype on the openmoko? |
| 21:48.29 | CVirus | not me |
| 21:51.09 | doc|work | |cody|: diamondcard.us + an ekiga port would make me happier |
| 21:51.15 | doc|work | or some variation thereof |
| 21:51.49 | CVirus | fuck ekiga |
| 21:51.51 | CVirus | it can't do iax |
| 21:52.07 | juri2 | exclent. now, to remove all these games, and pray for a successful upgrade. |
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| 22:09.19 | juri2 | wish me luck; after fixing opkg, and doing a successful upgrade, i'm rebooting. |
| 22:10.17 | juri2 | well, it boots. :) |
| 22:10.43 | juri2 | and showed me a picture of... boots. |
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| 22:11.48 | juri2 | the progress meter dosent exist... |
| 22:12.13 | juri2 | yay! the UI came up! :D |
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| 22:13.03 | abraxa_ | Congrats! |
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| 22:14.14 | juri2 | some programs somewhere are getting called wrong, including alsa.. and the progress meters are all broken... |
| 22:14.29 | juri2 | now, can it make/receive phone calls? :) |
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| 22:16.30 | juri2 | hmm. the contents of this 'daily build' server don't match the contents of my openmoko. speficially, there seem to be no games packages installe. |
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| 22:37.45 | abraxa_ | juri2: The oh-puzzles package is broken as of now |
| 22:37.55 | abraxa_ | (unless it's fixed, which I doubt) |
| 22:41.33 | juri2 | its worth noting that i'm getting some alignment errors from processes now that i wasn't earlier. |
| 22:41.56 | juri2 | of course, that only matters if theres developers present, otherwise, pardon me while i enter whine mode. :P |
| 22:42.15 | juri2 | is spoiled by talking to other developer channels. *shrugs* |
| 22:52.04 | abraxa_ | juri2: What do you mean by alignment errors? |
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| 22:52.27 | |cody| | doc|work: Have you gotten close to getting that setup to work (ekiga and diamond card)? |
| 22:52.49 | abraxa_ | And yeah, right now this channel is in "nobody here" mode as most devs are in Taiwan or western Europe |
| 22:52.52 | doc|work | |cody|: not on an openmoko phone, have it on n800 and desktop |
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| 22:54.18 | |cody| | doc|work: Did you try? |
| 22:55.57 | doc|work | |cody|: don't even have a phone yet :) |
| 22:56.19 | |cody| | doc|work: Okay cool. I'll give a shot then. |
| 22:56.54 | doc|work | that'd be great, an ekiga port for the freerunner would rock |
| 22:57.17 | |cody| | From what I am reading about ekiga, it looks very feasible too. |
| 23:01.43 | |cody| | Expect a VoIP client (possibly Gizmo, Ekiga, or even a native app) to be released with this WiFi enabled smartphone in the near future. |
| 23:01.56 | |cody| | For the freerunner that is... |
| 23:02.24 | jOERG_rw | |cody|: suggest you have a look at twinkle too |
| 23:04.16 | doc|work | jOERG_rw: do you know is there anything within qtopia to do voip? ideally sip? |
| 23:04.27 | doc|work | because that's pretty much what ekiga does, it just implements sip |
| 23:05.31 | jOERG_rw | dunno much about qtopia. I know twinkle, is built on Qt |
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| 23:06.29 | jOERG_rw | also there's a version to build it w/o any gui |
| 23:07.21 | jOERG_rw | plain cmd-line nterface |
| 23:07.47 | doc|work | cool |
| 23:08.46 | jOERG_rw | http://twinkle.com |
| 23:09.00 | ljp | yes, qtopia does voip |
| 23:10.20 | jOERG_rw | http://www.twinklephone.com/ sorry |
| 23:17.13 | jOERG_rw | ahh, and supports "Secure voice communication by ZRTP/SRTP" |
| 23:18.20 | juri2 | abraxa: i get errors that look like: Alignment trap: hald-probe-volu (1167) PC=0x0000ce78 Instr=0xe59b300c Address=0xbef295aa FSR 0x013 in my dmesg. |
| 23:19.01 | juri2 | this is a new thing. i'm thinking people would have tested alignment problems in qemu, but i remember that qemu dosent always check. |
| 23:19.07 | juri2 | (in general) |
| 23:21.17 | abraxa_ | juri2: Oh, qemu... yeah, no idea how well alignment is tested there =x |
| 23:24.39 | mwester | juri2: You'll get those on the GTA01 and GTA02 as well. |
| 23:25.17 | juri2 | answer: poorly. qemu is more worried about working, less about making sure code would run on the real hardware. therefore, hald-probe-volume and phone-kit have problems on the real hardware that they wouldnt in qemu. (i suspect, YMMV, etc) |
| 23:25.30 | juri2 | mwester: i seem to be the only person using GTA01 on a daily basis. :) |
| 23:26.17 | juri2 | its my only phone. and just to prove free software advocacy is anti-darwinian, i'm using it to job hunt/do interviews. |
| 23:26.42 | mwester | juri2: no, you are not. |
| 23:26.54 | mwester | others are using it as well. |
| 23:27.05 | mwester | Just not so very many. |
| 23:27.26 | juri2 | oh good. :) |
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| 23:28.14 | mwester | (My big frustration right now is that it seems to randomly stop charging when plugged in, so when I connect it to charge it, it often dies completely instead! |
| 23:28.15 | mwester | ) |
| 23:28.30 | juri2 | hmm. i havent run into that. |
| 23:28.33 | mwester | Other than that, it's been working reasonably well on the old non-asu image. |
| 23:29.09 | mwester | of course, "reasonable" is defined based on my personal expectations of the device, which probably vary dramatically from the expectations other users may have! |
| 23:30.03 | SpeedEvil | II can reead//write SMSs, make/reecievee calls, and use tangogps |
| 23:30.08 | SpeedEvil | 'works for me' |
| 23:30.11 | juri2 | i think theres a defect in the hardware for charging when the voltage is real low. sometimes, the screen starts flashing uncontrolably when you first plug it in. plugging it in even without a battery in it it still flashes... you have to let it discharge, then insert the battery, then pray. i've had it once just fail to charge even then, as well. |
| 23:30.34 | mmontour | Don't plug it in without a battery. |
| 23:31.01 | mwester | SpeedEvil: :) the first two of that three are all I'm currently focused on; everything else can wait. |
| 23:31.27 | SpeedEvil | I've not actually done any suspending |
| 23:31.37 | SpeedEvil | as when I'm out, I'm doing BT/GPS logging |
| 23:32.26 | juri2 | plus, i have torture getting the thing to associate with the network. here in northwest arkansas, half the time it fails, and i have to power cycle it. |
| 23:32.50 | SpeedEvil | I don't have any problems with that. |
| 23:33.00 | SpeedEvil | But then I don't live very near northwest arkansas. |
| 23:33.04 | juri2 | in dallas, it almost *never* worked. |
| 23:33.45 | juri2 | it associated once, when i let it rest a while... so that someone could call me, and wake me up. :P |
| 23:34.17 | mmontour | Some of those areas may require 850 MHz support |
| 23:35.45 | juri2 | rebooting fixing it tho? |
| 23:35.54 | juri2 | without moving. |
| 23:39.14 | juri2 | and its all over northwest arkansas. not just in one spot. once it boots and is associated, it stays that way. but sometimes i have to boot 6-8 times to get it to register. |
| 23:39.49 | SpeedEvil | you know how to power down the modem? |
| 23:39.54 | SpeedEvil | search the wiki for at@poff |
| 23:40.06 | juri2 | yepyep. powering it down and powering it up dosent help. |
| 23:40.12 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 23:40.20 | juri2 | well, not manually, i use the dialog. |
| 23:40.39 | SpeedEvil | that may not actually turn the modem off - I don't know |
| 23:40.49 | juri2 | right. i'll look into it. |
| 23:41.06 | SpeedEvil | I've no idea of the current status. |
| 23:41.32 | balrog-kun | broke the gsm antenna in his neo today, but should be easy to solder |
| 23:41.58 | balrog-kun | i had never used the gsm in this unit yet |
| 23:49.14 | SpeedEvil | How did you manage that? |
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| 23:52.49 | holla | what up what up |
| 23:53.31 | holla | the iphone is going to have a solar panel... is openmoko ever never ever going to be released? |
| 23:53.37 | SpeedEvil | When the freerunner is released, that question should be easy to answer, due to the inbuilt accelerometer. |
| 23:54.04 | holla | no doubt... I'm sure you shall |
| 23:54.07 | SpeedEvil | It is not going to be in a customer-ready shape for 6 months, assuming miracles happen. |
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| 23:54.27 | holla | miracles can and do happen |
| 23:54.44 | abraxa_ | balrog-kun: I wonder, too... the GSM antenna is pretty rugged imo :) |
| 23:54.48 | SpeedEvil | It would indeed be a unique marketing point. |
| 23:55.37 | SpeedEvil | 'One day, we walked into the office, and there was this huge pile of tablets, beginning ' GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE |
| 23:56.06 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil, abraxa_: the metal part that is the antenna is quite fragile |
| 23:56.08 | holla | quick question, what the hells bells has been the hold up from the past 2 years |
| 23:56.10 | holla | ? |
| 23:56.28 | SpeedEvil | holla: hardware and software problems. |
| 23:56.28 | balrog-kun | easily submits to the force of a hammer and couple with a screwdriver :P |
| 23:56.31 | holla | the reason I ask, is that someone brought one to demonstrate a year ago as OSCON |
| 23:56.33 | SpeedEvil | Basically funding issues |
| 23:56.39 | balrog-kun | coupled* |
| 23:57.17 | SpeedEvil | Put $20M into developing a software stack, and you get results fast. |
| 23:57.34 | abraxa_ | balrog-kun: oh. |
| 23:57.34 | SpeedEvil | Put substantially less in, and it all happens ratehr slower. |
| 23:57.50 | holla | SpeedEvil: I'm hoping it's the latter. Because if it's the former, that does not bode well for the open source movement |
| 23:58.15 | SpeedEvil | Open-source sucks unless there is strong project leadership. |
| 23:58.18 | holla | i.e. funding issues vs hardware/software issues |
| 23:58.30 | holla | ah, yes. 20 million. |
| 23:59.00 | SpeedEvil | And there hasn't been strong leadership of the community effort, or much communication. |
| 23:59.19 | holla | SpeedEvil: that was the quote of the month 'Open-source sucks unless there is strong project leadership.' |
| 23:59.29 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Throw the cultural and language barrier in there, too, cause that was/is a problem as well |
| 23:59.36 | holla | I think there needs to be a plaque of that! |
