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| 01:53.49 | BryceLeo | pings room |
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| 02:07.26 | joerg | pongs back |
| 02:13.56 | BryceLeo | sup joerg what's keeping you bust? |
| 02:14.34 | joerg | sorry? |
| 02:14.45 | BryceLeo | sorry |
| 02:14.47 | BryceLeo | busy* |
| 02:15.25 | joerg | :-) just reading about 3.5mm earphone issue... lots of specs and papers |
| 02:15.54 | BryceLeo | heh, i've been out of the loop for a fair few months, what's up? |
| 02:16.17 | joerg | see community.lists |
| 02:16.46 | joerg | going to use 3.5mm earjack connector for future devices >GTA02 |
| 02:17.22 | BryceLeo | ahh ok |
| 02:18.05 | joerg | really ave to leave now to get me some food - late here (4:00) |
| 02:20.51 | joerg | is away: Zur Zeit nicht da. |
| 02:21.03 | BryceLeo | oh jeez, enjoy! |
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| 03:20.16 | joerg | is back. |
| 03:21.11 | BryceLeo | welcome back |
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| 03:34.37 | joerg | Howdi |
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| 03:58.56 | BryceLeo | oops, now it's my time to go to bed, it's midnight here and i have to be up at 10:00am |
| 03:58.59 | BryceLeo | bye all! |
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| 05:17.27 | yyl | è«æä¸ä¸åä½å輩å¨qemu-system-armçæ令ä¸å¯ä»¥æ¨¡æ¬ NOR Flash å SDRAM ? |
| 05:20.14 | yyl | å çºæå äº -mtdblock å -m éå
©ååæ¸å¥½åé½æ²ç¨! |
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| 05:40.09 | zash | Consults the fellow seniors to be possible to simulate NOR Flash and SDRAM under the qemu-system-arm instruction? |
| 05:40.17 | zash | Because I added - mtdblock and - m these two parameters probably useless! |
| 05:40.28 | zash | babelfish ftw |
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| 05:46.24 | zash | make coffee |
| 05:47.04 | zash | everyone sleeping? |
| 05:48.57 | amarsh04 | not in .au zash |
| 05:49.51 | zash | amarsh04: good evening then |
| 05:50.08 | amarsh04 | it is 15:20 local time now |
| 05:50.13 | zash | or afternoon |
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| 06:56.26 | Sup3rkiddo | morning everyone |
| 06:58.28 | joerg | is away: Zur Zeit nicht da. |
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| 09:32.13 | haakeyar | roh: ping |
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| 10:07.46 | rene80 | hallo one question how is ist possible to remove my mail address from the mailinglist? |
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| 10:09.40 | zash | rene80: read on lists.openmoko.org |
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| 10:40.37 | jOERG_rw | is back. |
| 10:42.10 | Ganneff | jOERG_rw: please stop the public away notices, noone cares. thx. |
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| 11:06.39 | jOERG_rw | ganeff: sorry, just setting up this konversation annoyance |
| 11:11.29 | jOERG_rw | ganneff: done |
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| 11:26.40 | abraxa__ | Ganneff: Just out of curiousity: do you really care so much that you're acting as the IRC police here? Last time I checked, joerg was an official Openmoko dev, so away messages *might* actually be useful for some. |
| 11:27.34 | Ganneff | abraxa__: they are a useless annoyance of the channel. whoever wants to know the status just uses /whois nick and can see it. and yes, i do care. |
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| 11:28.26 | abraxa__ | Amazing. |
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| 11:29.25 | Ganneff | and im not irc police but channel op, who cares about the channel... |
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| 11:50.14 | zedstar | spots a jobsworth |
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| 12:05.27 | Deubeuliou | hi |
| 12:05.52 | jOERG_rw | Deubeuliou: hi! |
| 12:05.54 | Deubeuliou | is there a way to see all softwares that will be included by default with the FreeRunner ? |
| 12:06.42 | jOERG_rw | It's the "old" stack that comprises of 5 apps AFAIK |
| 12:06.59 | jOERG_rw | by default |
| 12:07.13 | jOERG_rw | err off factory |
| 12:07.25 | Deubeuliou | does this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Applications show the softwares that will actually be shipped in the Neo ? |
| 12:08.09 | jOERG_rw | nope, it sows what you may install after you get the device |
| 12:08.17 | Deubeuliou | aha |
| 12:08.19 | jOERG_rw | s/sows/shows |
| 12:08.24 | jOERG_rw | s/sows/shows/ |
| 12:08.25 | Deubeuliou | and what is that stack you mention ? |
| 12:09.04 | Deubeuliou | lol@apt_ :) |
| 12:09.17 | Deubeuliou | s/lol/^^/ |
| 12:09.55 | jOERG_rw | :-) yep! s/game |
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| 12:10.34 | jOERG_rw | OM-AP-framework. |
| 12:10.49 | jOERG_rw | Not Qtopia |
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| 12:11.25 | Deubeuliou | so, there will only be core-apps ? |
| 12:11.40 | Deubeuliou | other apps will have to be installed ? via a repo, right ? |
| 12:12.08 | jOERG_rw | yep |
| 12:12.25 | jOERG_rw | at least for the first devices |
| 12:12.36 | jOERG_rw | until ASU is ready for shipping |
| 12:13.48 | jOERG_rw | if I got that right from steve |
| 12:14.28 | Deubeuliou | ok, thanks a lot :) |
| 12:14.28 | mickeyl | yes |
| 12:16.21 | zedstar_ | jOERG_rw is that your post in kernel ML about locating via GSM? |
| 12:16.40 | jOERG_rw | zedstar_: YEP |
| 12:17.18 | zedstar_ | ah ok cool.....so on O2 in germany cell broadcast gave those Gauss-Krueger values? |
| 12:17.27 | jOERG_rw | yes |
| 12:17.34 | jOERG_rw | hanel 221 |
| 12:17.52 | zedstar_ | did u figure out the equation to decimal coords? |
| 12:18.13 | jOERG_rw | OOoooo, you have to google for it |
| 12:18.25 | jOERG_rw | it's complex |
| 12:18.31 | zedstar_ | hmm yeh :) |
| 12:18.45 | jOERG_rw | there's some tools to convert, even online |
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| 12:18.59 | zedstar_ | are other providers in german doing those gauss-krueger broadcasts? |
| 12:19.20 | jOERG_rw | AFAIK no |
| 12:19.31 | zedstar_ | yeh...pity |
| 12:19.47 | zedstar_ | be nice if we could rely on coords from GSM providers |
| 12:20.03 | jOERG_rw | o2 has "homezone", they use it for their fee calculation |
| 12:20.28 | jOERG_rw | cellphone shows whenever you are in "cheap zone" |
| 12:20.31 | zedstar_ | i came across http://www.cellbroadcastforum.org/ but exactly enlightening |
| 12:20.38 | zedstar_ | not exactly i mean |
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| 12:21.02 | jOERG_rw | ahh good, was on the way to give it a try ;-) |
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| 12:23.54 | jOERG_rw | zedstar_: give nobbi.com a try. Much of my GSM nowledge from there |
| 12:24.34 | zedstar_ | thanks...yeh looks good |
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| 12:25.03 | nibbler_de | one could/should build a database of cid/lac and actual coordinates which can be queried online |
| 12:25.43 | jOERG_rw | might have been done already |
| 12:25.54 | zedstar_ | yeh there are a few projects |
| 12:26.04 | jOERG_rw | thugh someone considered it illegal |
| 12:26.26 | nibbler_de | jOERG_rw: rubbish. why should it be illegal? |
| 12:26.42 | nibbler_de | collecting publically available information. |
| 12:26.48 | jOERG_rw | dunno exactly. Weird like all laws |
| 12:26.51 | nibbler_de | how can that be illegal. |
| 12:27.09 | jOERG_rw | My opinion |
| 12:27.38 | zedstar_ | it is all a bit frustrating....in the UK legally they must allow us to see where all the cell towers are...u can view on a map but no coords |
| 12:27.48 | nibbler_de | there are many people afraid of any and everything. may the rest just use their commonsense ;) |
| 12:28.16 | nibbler_de | zedstar_: same in germany |
| 12:28.31 | nibbler_de | zedstar_: and the bnetza webapp where you can look them up sucks royally |
| 12:28.48 | zedstar_ | yeh same for UK one |
| 12:29.00 | jOERG_rw | LOL :-) |
| 12:29.09 | jOERG_rw | wonder why ;-) |
| 12:29.17 | nibbler_de | god save the queen. |
| 12:29.31 | zedstar_ | the facist regime :) |
| 12:29.33 | nibbler_de | (from whatever she has to be saved) |
| 12:29.57 | jOERG_rw | nevermind... |
| 12:30.22 | zedstar_ | btw anyone tried skyhooks sdk to lookup their position? |
| 12:30.30 | zedstar_ | it worked well for me but it is closed source |
| 12:30.41 | nibbler_de | puts himself on the couch and watches S04E08 of doctor who. |
| 12:30.44 | jOERG_rw | c't did a test IIRC |
| 12:31.02 | nibbler_de | zedstar_: yup. heard the same. some friends of mine were actually trying to reverse it - but i don't know how far they got |
| 12:31.03 | zedstar_ | they employ drivers to go round and log wifi (well so they claim) |
| 12:31.21 | zedstar_ | yeh i was thinking why not just reverse engineer or log results |
| 12:31.29 | nibbler_de | it's not that easy |
| 12:31.37 | nibbler_de | you have to do ssl mitm etc. |
| 12:32.08 | jOERG_rw | goes preparing other cup of coffee |
| 12:33.40 | zedstar_ | im pretty sure skyhook got stuff from wigle cos i uploaded where i live to wigle sometime back and i doubt skyhook drivers went past my house |
| 12:34.52 | jOERG_rw | zedstar_: how should they know of your WiFi-MAC??? |
| 12:35.07 | zedstar_ | joerg: i uploaded it to wigle |
| 12:35.26 | jOERG_rw | ahhh... didn't ever hear of them |
| 12:35.29 | zedstar_ | sometime i used kismet with my zaurus and gps to log AP's |
| 12:35.43 | zedstar_ | i uploaded the results to wigle |
| 12:36.03 | zedstar_ | im guessing they just got the public data from wigle and sell it as a service with their additions |
| 12:36.45 | jOERG_rw | maybe. wigle should know of some "poison data" in their db. |
| 12:36.55 | jOERG_rw | so they find out easily |
| 12:37.28 | zedstar_ | yeh nice little trap |
| 12:37.58 | zedstar_ | i wonder how many AP's they logged themselves to how many the borrowed/stole from others |
| 12:38.46 | jOERG_rw | you'll have to go and ask them ;-) |
| 12:39.16 | zedstar_ | hahaha yeh i can see that conversation going well |
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| 12:42.31 | jOERG_rw | says: "bye fellas!" |
| 12:42.53 | mickeyl | cu jOERG_rw |
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| 12:52.35 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r56a67bf86851 10/otapi/ (README org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in): specs/otapi: update readme, fix docs in GSM.Call |
| 12:52.35 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r2cdedfe0696d 10/otapi/ (5 files): |
| 12:52.36 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:specs |
| 12:52.36 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: Conflicts: |
| 12:52.37 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: otapi/README |
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| 14:52.01 | Kero | um. the ASU image does not fit on the GTA01, does it? |
| 14:53.07 | malik1972 | as far as i know it did not work with gta01, there are ripped of images which fit |
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| 14:53.58 | malik1972 | for instance u can find one here http://foreverdean.info/kevin/downloads/openmoko/ |
| 14:54.31 | malik1972 | the qtopia images in the daily feed seem to be different from asu |
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| 15:00.07 | Kero | will take a look... |
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| 15:05.58 | LionKMP | Hi! How do I make some test apps (hello world) for moko and run in an emu? I spent a day, installing gigabytes of stuff, bulding stuff for hours, just following docs, and I still have no clue at all :( |
| 15:06.35 | LionKMP | curretly bitbake openmoko-devel-image is running (it was mentioned as an example in How To Build wiki page). |
| 15:08.00 | LionKMP | task 330 of 4358 :-( |
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| 15:26.16 | Sup3rkiddo | ~poke |
| 15:26.22 | Sup3rkiddo | ~poke Sup3rkiddo |
| 15:26.23 | apt | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Sup3rkiddo, pokes Sup3rkiddo repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 15:26.40 | Sup3rkiddo | ~poke mickeyl |
| 15:26.40 | apt | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind mickeyl, pokes mickeyl repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 15:57.40 | Kero | that particular image gives me a login prompt -- on tty1 |
| 15:58.03 | Kero | slowly, I'm starting to suspect that these ASU things are gta02 only. |
| 16:01.09 | CVirus | ~rape steve |
| 16:01.10 | apt | ACTION takes steve behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 16:02.00 | cyrilRomain | 8-O |
| 16:02.02 | CVirus | I thing this book is really good http://www.amazon.com/Designing-Small-Screens-Advanced-Level/dp/2940373078 |
| 16:02.10 | CVirus | "Designing for Small Screens" |
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| 16:40.30 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf4425c34c0d9 10/conf/machine/om-gta02.conf: [om-gta02] change the default .jffs2 file to be the summary version |
| 16:40.31 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd55ee69f1938 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] Update opkg to 4465 |
| 16:40.31 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb5146f1c57be 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] Update exposure to 25 |
| 16:47.53 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r158d3aa8ce12 10/conf/machine/om-gta02.conf: [om-gta02] change the default .jffs2 file to be the summary version |
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| 18:03.01 | HauDyr | SpeedEvil, i have made an svg file of "Simplified hardware component diagram" where should i post it? |
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| 18:37.37 | HauDyr | SpeedEvil, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware is now updated with the diagram i hope its good enough |
| 18:38.28 | spydon | HauDyr, nice! |
| 18:38.33 | tedo | HauDyr: nice, thx for the diagram. |
| 18:38.55 | ohin | HauDyr: good, but why it is jpg? |
| 18:39.14 | HauDyr | the wiki complained about svg |
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| 18:42.36 | ohin | that is not ok from wiki :-( and have you considered gif? |
| 18:42.51 | ohin | or png? |
| 18:42.58 | zash | png ftw |
| 18:43.34 | cb22 | hmm, 16mb of NOR flash connected to the NAND controller? |
| 18:43.39 | HauDyr | you can get it in svg png jpg |
| 18:44.05 | HauDyr | i think its a NAND/NOR controller ?? |
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| 18:45.44 | HauDyr | but anyway errors can be fixed |
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| 18:56.34 | balrog-kun | got hardware cursor working on the Glamo, unfortunately it kills the glamo every couple of boot-ups :( |
| 18:59.28 | HauDyr | balrog-kun, how do you plan to get the rendered graphics from the Glamo to the LCD screen ? as i understand the Glamo is not connected to the LCD |
| 19:00.24 | balrog-kun | HauDyr: as i understand, it is connected right to the LCD (through the LCM) |
| 19:00.39 | HauDyr | aah cool |
| 19:00.46 | balrog-kun | how would the current glamofb driver work otherwise |
| 19:00.57 | HauDyr | then i need to change the drawing |
| 19:01.38 | balrog-kun | HauDyr: the S3C's LCD interface is left unconnected i think |
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| 19:01.59 | jOERG_rw | Hey, just ask ;-) got the schematics |
| 19:02.21 | jOERG_rw | yep glamo drives LCM or it's LCD part |
| 19:02.37 | balrog-kun | if you're making diagrams you might also want to make sure where the LCM's spi is connected |
| 19:03.06 | balrog-kun | i'm a bit confused about this |
| 19:03.50 | cb22 | yay! trac goodness for openmoko, i see |
| 19:04.13 | HauDyr | its a simplified diagram, i haven't connected (or included) all the components |
| 19:05.01 | HauDyr | jOERG_rw, so there is no connection from the S3C to the LCD only from Glamo to the LCD |
| 19:05.14 | jOERG_rw | yep |
| 19:05.24 | HauDyr | ok ill update the diagram |
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| 19:12.08 | HauDyr | balrog-kun, jOERG_rw now the diagram reflects reality :-) |
| 19:13.32 | cb22 | if the width of the lines was the busses bandwidth, the glamo would appear to be free floating :p |
| 19:13.43 | jOERG_rw | presses F5 |
| 19:15.08 | jOERG_rw | cb22: LOL, but sad truth :-/ |
| 19:15.16 | tedo | is the glamo sharing the bus with any other peripheral? |
| 19:15.43 | jOERG_rw | glamo controls SD card :.( |
| 19:15.50 | balrog-kun | tedo: nope |
| 19:15.59 | HauDyr | tedo, as i understand the SD card is controlled by the Glamo |
| 19:16.33 | balrog-kun | i don't think 7MB/s is low, and certainly is not lower than most other peripherals |
| 19:16.40 | balrog-kun | i think everyone is just really really spoilt :) |
| 19:16.45 | tedo | Is it a serial bus (what type)? |
| 19:16.56 | jOERG_rw | LCD-control is to be wired up to LCM |
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| 19:17.15 | HauDyr | balrog-kun, we just have to make the most of the speed we have :-) |
| 19:17.36 | cb22 | well, and 8bpp 640x480, you need 2457600b/s for one update a second (i think) |
| 19:17.45 | jOERG_rw | Ask Raster what he thinks about 7Mb/s for TWO devices, when playing videos |
| 19:17.53 | tedo | :-) |
| 19:18.13 | cb22 | Mb or MB? |
| 19:18.16 | balrog-kun | jOERG_rw: i've already heard enough of raster's rants |
| 19:19.01 | balrog-kun | i think he exaggerates about various things and unfortunately he's very good at convincing everyone we're doomed |
| 19:19.28 | jOERG_rw | Fact is GLAMO is doomed ;-) |
| 19:19.48 | cb22 | maybe wifi will be faster :) |
| 19:19.56 | jOERG_rw | We're better off without this crap |
| 19:19.57 | cb22 | probably higher latency though |
| 19:20.20 | jOERG_rw | cb22: lol |
| 19:20.28 | balrog-kun | is just starting to like the glamo after doing some hacking :) |
| 19:21.20 | cb22 | well, i hope all of you have learnt your lesson for gta0(3/4), pci-e x32, please |
| 19:21.39 | jOERG_rw | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.55 | balrog-kun | cb22: with hotplugging! |
| 19:21.59 | balrog-kun | and cpu hotplugging |
| 19:22.06 | Sonicadvance1 | haha |
| 19:22.22 | jOERG_rw | cb22: yeah and a dual-graphics-card with 300W |
| 19:23.33 | jOERG_rw | Nope, GTA03 will simply use 2442-LCD-IF |
| 19:24.08 | cb22 | hmm, i though the processor was being change to the 6400? |
| 19:24.44 | jOERG_rw | Thats for NEXT device, so the plans some weeks ago |
| 19:24.54 | HauDyr | i cant wait for GTA4 :-) |
| 19:25.10 | cb22 | ah, so gta03 is going to be an intermediate one? |
| 19:25.35 | jOERG_rw | cb22: if you like to call it this way |
| 19:26.07 | cb22 | any possible changes you could tell us about :) |
| 19:26.25 | jOERG_rw | hmmm. |
| 19:26.47 | jOERG_rw | is looking where's the NDA sheet |
| 19:27.26 | jOERG_rw | better sound for sure |
| 19:27.33 | cb22 | case? |
| 19:27.44 | doc|home | is there a better option than the glamo? |
| 19:28.18 | jOERG_rw | 3.5mm connector Nokia-standard. housing: cuuuute (wasn't it yet?) |
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| 19:28.43 | jOERG_rw | yep: NO glamo |
| 19:29.29 | cb22 | cuuuute? |
| 19:30.04 | jOERG_rw | I mustn't talk about design ;-) |
| 19:30.07 | balrog-kun | doc|home: perhaps an on-chip video accelerator |
| 19:30.16 | balrog-kun | such as the one in the s3c6400 |
| 19:30.21 | jOERG_rw | 2442!!! |
| 19:30.25 | balrog-kun | which is still nowhere near the ones in OMAPs |
| 19:30.37 | doc|home | balrog-kun: same capabilities? |
| 19:31.00 | cb22 | jOERG_rw: noooo! put it this way, if you had to put the gta03 in front of some normal people, would they start playing ice hockey with it :) |
| 19:31.01 | balrog-kun | doc|home: i don't know sorry |
| 19:31.02 | doc|home | and why another intermediate design? :/ |
| 19:31.24 | jOERG_rw | cb22: Nope, for sure |
| 19:31.50 | balrog-kun | doc|home: i like the idea of sticking with the current design, maybe the gta03 will be the most stable device in the series |
| 19:31.52 | doc|home | I'm wondering if om keep using intermediate designs they'll get a rep for that, designs which are lacking in features :/ |
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| 19:32.27 | balrog-kun | doc|home: the problem is redesigning things and starting from zero in every iteration will make the GTA series never come to stability and low number og hw bugs |
| 19:32.29 | jOERG_rw | doc|home: everything is intermediate some way or another ;-) |
| 19:32.30 | doc|home | I hate to say it but the iphone set a new standard in hardware capabilities :/ |
| 19:32.33 | doc|home | spits on iphone |
| 19:32.52 | cb22 | my nokia e51 does bad things to the iphone |
| 19:32.55 | doc|home | jOERG_rw: sure, but if you design it as an intermediate then are you compromising? :/ |
| 19:33.34 | jOERG_rw | balrog-kun: chances are good for "most stable" |
| 19:33.48 | doc|home | cb22: sure, but they're not really close in the same way as the iphone and the freerunner are |
| 19:34.11 | doc|home | physical format wise |
| 19:34.31 | balrog-kun | jOERG_rw: yeah, i like the idea of gta03, by the time it's released, the hw bugs in the design should be mostly ironed out |
| 19:34.56 | cb22 | true, i suppose, but when iphone owners get cocky, i tell them to send me a file via bluetooth |
| 19:35.00 | jOERG_rw | doc|home: nope, just pacing down a little to do solid work |
| 19:35.03 | balrog-kun | after that, with gta04, we start from zero again and release a completely buggy device again |
| 19:35.05 | doc|home | oh, so the gta03 is just a revised 02? |
| 19:35.12 | doc|home | balrog-kun: hah |
| 19:36.55 | CVirus | cb22: are you maddox ? |
| 19:36.59 | jOERG_rw | is not amused ;) |
| 19:37.41 | cb22 | CVirus: maddox? |
| 19:38.04 | CVirus | cb22: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone |
| 19:38.18 | cb22 | hehe, nope |
| 19:38.27 | CM | maddox is king :) |
| 19:38.40 | CM | will wait for the 03 |
| 19:38.57 | CVirus | maddox > * |
| 19:38.58 | doc|home | stabs maddox |
| 19:40.19 | CM | Has anyone ever been able to build classpath? |
| 19:40.21 | jOERG_rw | cm: don't hold your breath. You'll never get any device this way |
| 19:40.27 | u_l-lap | I want my gta02 :-( |
| 19:40.41 | cb22 | jOERG_rw: by holding your breath? |
| 19:40.50 | CM | jOERG_rw: I do have a GTA01 already :) |
| 19:40.59 | u_l-lap | I lost the rs-mmc card in my phone and now it is a bit crippled (no software! it's just a phone now!) |
| 19:41.20 | jOERG_rw | cm: ahhh..... |
| 19:41.38 | CM | jOERG_rw: :P ;) |
| 19:42.14 | jOERG_rw | cm: :P?? got 2 FR :-))) |
| 19:42.31 | cb22 | jOERG_rw: can i have one? :p |
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| 19:43.02 | jOERG_rw | LOL, just need one of them for icehockey ;-) other one for tests |
| 19:43.14 | CM | Hehe.. What are you working on? |
| 19:43.20 | jOERG_rw | 03 |
| 19:43.27 | jOERG_rw | 04 |
| 19:43.29 | CM | Ah, ok |
| 19:43.36 | jOERG_rw | 05 |
| 19:43.51 | CM | :D |
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| 20:19.22 | CVirus | long time no updates |
| 20:20.48 | CVirus | Qtopia has been ported to X .. which means that we'll be using a full fledged Xorg on the FreeRunner ? |
| 20:20.53 | aggtrfrad | the battery life must have hold them back, mass public release with 20hours life battery doesnt sound good |
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| 20:21.09 | CVirus | aggtrfrad: where is that ? |
| 20:21.38 | aggtrfrad | i just heard it hear, it last 24 hours maximun |
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| 20:21.53 | CVirus | aggtrfrad: with suspend ? |
| 20:22.42 | aggtrfrad | not sure :/ maybe im wrong but it makes sense |
| 20:22.47 | CVirus | I think we need a better one than the current 1200mAh |
| 20:23.36 | aggtrfrad | this thing is more like a nokia n810, plus the cellphone circuit |
| 20:23.47 | aggtrfrad | of course it has a huge battery, but still... |
| 20:23.58 | mjr | CVirus, afaik kdrive as in gta01 |
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| 20:27.13 | CVirus | I see |
| 20:28.24 | igor321 | 24 hours ain't that bad |
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| 20:29.58 | CVirus | 24 hours with or without suspend ? |
| 20:30.18 | igor321 | with |
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| 20:32.50 | CVirus | igor321: suspend is working in the recent images ? |
| 20:33.18 | igor321 | not a dev, but as i've understood it's working |
| 20:33.39 | igor321 | there's a youtube video, even |
| 20:33.56 | XorA|gone | heh heh, trustworthy source |
| 20:34.23 | igor321 | what could be more thrustworhy than video |
| 20:35.14 | XorA|gone | those dodgy palm reader women you find in circuses |
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| 20:39.01 | CVirus | igor321: link ? |
| 20:39.01 | igor321 | just a sec |
| 20:39.07 | igor321 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o0002YFv2E |
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| 21:38.36 | Deubeuliou | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c0eVdj4E7w&feature=related <-- is the Boot actually so slow ?? |
| 21:39.58 | mickeyl | yes |
| 21:40.08 | mickeyl | don't worry, it boots like a desktop system right now |
| 21:40.14 | mickeyl | there has been zero work to speed it up yet |
| 21:40.20 | mickeyl | lots of potential still there |
| 21:40.52 | rtm | Does ASU boot more slowly than the old gtk stack? |
| 21:41.08 | cyrilRomain | but with suspend you will rarely (re)boot |
| 21:41.22 | Deubeuliou | ok |
| 21:42.28 | XorA|gone | I would actually like on ASU to start X first |
| 21:42.42 | XorA|gone | then run exquisite in X the whole way through to E booting |
| 21:43.58 | Deubeuliou | is there a way to test OpenMoko in virtualbox ? or at least inVMWare ? maybe Xen ? something else than a chroot |
| 21:44.06 | XorA|gone | qemu |
| 21:44.22 | Deubeuliou | why QEmu and not Virtualbox ? |
| 21:44.33 | woglinde | hms |
| 21:44.34 | XorA|gone | qemu does arm |
| 21:44.38 | Deubeuliou | aha ok |
| 21:44.41 | woglinde | l4 dont works with eabi |
| 21:44.57 | XorA|gone | but you could quite easilly make i386 build boot in virtualbox |
| 21:45.20 | balrog-kun | Deubeuliou: you can run an i386 build without chroot or emulation |
| 21:46.34 | Deubeuliou | so, I install QEmu, then I download this:http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile and I do "make qemu" ? |
| 21:47.27 | balrog-kun | that Makefile can build and install qemu for you |
| 21:48.10 | Deubeuliou | do I need it to ? isn't the repository qemu not suitable ? |
| 21:48.41 | rwhitby | sure, but the instructions are longer and not documented anywhere .. |
| 21:49.00 | Deubeuliou | ok :D |
| 21:50.01 | rwhitby | (actually, it is probably documented on the wiki, but likely to be out of date, cause any build instructions which are not executable build instructions always seem to be out of date ...) |
| 21:51.26 | SpeedEvil | not executable regularly executed |
| 21:51.35 | XorA|gone | and there are always crazy people who put random wierd instructions in a wiki |
| 21:51.50 | XorA|gone | A wiki is more lile a collection of old wifes tales than accurate |
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| 21:56.51 | Deubeuliou | The MokoMakefile is able to build both OM-2007.2 <-- isn't it oudated ?? |
| 21:57.24 | Deubeuliou | I'm currently downloading 2007.2 svn branch ^^ |
| 21:58.23 | cyrilRomain | hmm why openmoko provide a separate qemu rather than building the one from oe ? |
| 21:58.53 | holycow | hello moko |
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| 22:06.35 | cyrilRomain | hm ok, it's usefull for those who just want to build qemu and testing an image (+developing with the openmoko SDK) without getting into building all the things with oe. Makes sense. |
| 22:10.18 | cyrilRomain | aha, there are some neo1973 specific files too |
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| 22:10.33 | woglinde | nite |
| 22:12.27 | balrog-kun | cyrilRomain: yes, most of what we use is neo1973 specific |
| 22:14.46 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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