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| 02:27.36 | Slemmen | hello |
| 02:27.51 | avoine | hi |
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| 02:30.17 | Slemmen | anyone know if the freerunner is going to have camera? |
| 02:30.48 | summatusmentis | No, it won't |
| 02:31.04 | Slemmen | why not? |
| 02:31.15 | summatusmentis | umm... I'm not sure, cost, I think |
| 02:31.26 | summatusmentis | or maybe deemed not necessary |
| 02:32.23 | Slemmen | well, it's kind of one of those things that has become "normal" for cell phones... think it should have it. |
| 02:33.18 | summatusmentis | it has been 'normal' for cell phones, I honestly don't know why. You could use a webcam via usb. |
| 02:34.09 | Slemmen | hmmm... maybe |
| 02:34.13 | summatusmentis | without coming off as incredibly rude, because that's not how I mean this, but at this point, does it matter? FreeRunner is in mass production, and there's no camera |
| 02:34.44 | avoine | I think they don't add it because they should change the case of the phone |
| 02:35.00 | avoine | but I'm not sure |
| 02:35.20 | summatusmentis | that seems like a rather minor reason to not do it |
| 02:35.32 | summatusmentis | I don't honestly know though |
| 02:36.14 | SpeedEvil | It's quite an expensive change - 30-40K or so |
| 02:36.34 | SpeedEvil | Add to that it's a series of new board revs to support the camera |
| 02:37.14 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: any different than the board revs for wifi/accelerometers? |
| 02:39.59 | avoine | maybe for gta03 |
| 02:40.17 | avoine | :P |
| 02:41.00 | summatusmentis | as I understand it, gta03 isn't changing, except to remove the glamo |
| 02:41.10 | summatusmentis | gta04 is where the hardware revs will be |
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| 02:42.30 | avoine | ok |
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| 02:58.24 | avoine | do you think its a strange choice to use enlightment for the window manager? |
| 02:58.30 | avoine | instead of matchbox |
| 02:59.13 | avoine | I don't know what are the avantages of this choice |
| 02:59.41 | summatusmentis | nope, raster, the main dev for enlightenment works for OM, and I think a lot of efl is used for OM |
| 03:00.02 | summatusmentis | I think enlightenment offers a lot of integration advantages |
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| 03:02.00 | avoine | ok |
| 03:02.06 | avoine | like edje |
| 03:02.15 | summatusmentis | right |
| 03:02.36 | summatusmentis | this is all speculation, mind you, but I assume that's why they changed |
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| 03:05.04 | avoine | ok |
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| 03:09.14 | SpeedEvil | twm ftw! |
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| 03:22.57 | avoine | lol twm |
| 03:23.21 | avoine | OLPC think about switching from matchbox to metacity |
| 03:24.00 | avoine | maybe they should take a look at enlightenment |
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| 04:27.14 | aggtrfrad | hi :> |
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| 04:31.05 | aggtrfrad | any chance of putting a csr bluecore external memory bluetooth chipset on the freerunner? |
| 04:31.15 | aggtrfrad | bluecore4* |
| 04:34.56 | SpeedEvil | Only if you solder it on |
| 04:35.12 | SpeedEvil | It's on an external module, so in principle you could |
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| 04:37.02 | aggtrfrad | yeah but the bluetooth chipset that will be used on freerunner has not been announced yet, 1973 was using bluecore4ROM, it would be a good idea to produce the freerunner with an updatable firmware bluetooth chip |
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| 04:37.45 | SpeedEvil | In principle yes. |
| 04:37.49 | SpeedEvil | In practice, it's more expensive. |
| 04:37.55 | aggtrfrad | but if not, u can still plugin a usb dongle so not big deal |
| 04:38.12 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, it's the same module. |
| 04:38.25 | SpeedEvil | Do you have the CSR SDK? |
| 04:39.22 | aggtrfrad | sdk=? |
| 04:39.37 | SpeedEvil | softare development kit. |
| 04:39.45 | SpeedEvil | $6K IIRC |
| 04:40.21 | aggtrfrad | no :p but there is patched firmware to allow sniffing + injection |
| 04:45.01 | mwester | Why stop there? How about adding a general purpose radio transmitter with adjustable power amplifier so that you can "inject" signals into police and fire trunking radios, interfere with aircraft flight control communications, jam walkie-talkies and other portable transmitters. What fun! |
| 04:45.29 | mwester | And of course, open the GSM firmware so you can inject data into the cell networks at will... |
| 04:46.09 | mwester | marvells that people see the need to turn everything into something they can cause trouble with! |
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| 05:30.29 | cb22 | mwester: good idea, sounds like fun |
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| 06:45.08 | methril | morning |
| 06:46.43 | aggtrfrad | morning |
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| 07:28.14 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r89844d0007b4 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): from openembedded.devel mailing list, Robert Schuster: |
| 07:28.15 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r3b065fbd973b 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: preferred-om-2008-versions: modify the classpath rev to more sensible |
| 07:29.10 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rdd5dd50b1337 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): from openembedded.devel mailing list, Robert Schuster: |
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| 07:44.14 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:47.30 | methril | morning |
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| 08:50.25 | Any_Key | morning to all |
| 08:52.47 | CVirus | morning there stranger |
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| 10:08.31 | flexd | Question i could probably get an answer from by reading all the mailing lists: |
| 10:08.51 | flexd | The Freerunner wont be able to display video right? What about other graphical things |
| 10:09.16 | flexd | e.g for a mp3 player (the bars and such going up and down, cant remember the name all of a sudden), highlight me with some kind of answer please, gotta run to the dentist :( |
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| 10:09.55 | mjr | flexd, that's no problem. mpeg4 video might be possible if someone gets around to writing a driver for the gpu decoder... |
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| 10:10.27 | flexd | I basically want a mp3/mp4/ogg/and so on player to use on the phone, with fancy virtualizations |
| 10:10.41 | mjr | visualizations, you mean |
| 10:11.01 | flexd | Tired of all these ipod fankids running around mocking my huge block of a creative zen sleek :P |
| 10:11.12 | flexd | mjr: yes those, my bad. |
| 10:11.15 | flexd | but bbl |
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| 10:38.37 | Xand3r | hi i have problems with running openmoko under qemu, ist starts, boots, than somthing looking like a menu and than black screen, i'running it again now, and past after it the log, hope you can help me |
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| 10:38.55 | zash | did someone just break the wiki? |
| 10:39.49 | zash | the navigation i at the bottom of the page and it says </div> |
| 10:41.30 | zash | <p></div> |
| 10:41.30 | zash | </p> |
| 10:41.33 | zash | wth |
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| 10:46.42 | Xand3r | so, now what the shell sais http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/183 |
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| 11:18.44 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rf33972e86fef 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [feed] remove qtopia-phone from task-openmoko-feed |
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| 11:20.39 | abraxa__ | Random thought I had: in some countries it's legally required that cell phone cameras make a shutter sound to prevent them from being used as spying or peeping tom devices |
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| 11:21.14 | raster | abraxa__: damn japanese! |
| 11:21.15 | raster | :) |
| 11:21.34 | abraxa__ | With OM being so open I it makes it very easy to remove this sound, making me wonder if phones from OM, Inc. will be outlawed in such countries (e.g. Korea) |
| 11:22.16 | abraxa__ | raster: I'm sure you're enjoying the benefits of that country, too ;) |
| 11:22.25 | raster | nah |
| 11:22.27 | raster | moved out |
| 11:22.28 | raster | :) |
| 11:22.40 | raster | as such - don't know what the laws are |
| 11:23.02 | raster | they may require the phone from the factory does this and provides no way to turn it off that is normally accessible |
| 11:23.10 | raster | pretty much every phone can somehow be reflahsed |
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| 11:23.20 | raster | but it is a question of what is considered reasonable for the maker to do |
| 11:23.31 | raster | ie if default firmware config and apps dont allow it |
| 11:23.35 | raster | well then - that may be fine |
| 11:23.42 | raster | again - probably depends from country to country |
| 11:24.07 | abraxa__ | True that |
| 11:24.29 | abraxa__ | Prolly some legalese to prevent Jon Doe from turning it off |
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| 11:24.52 | Xand3r | it's me again |
| 11:26.48 | raster | abraxa__: in the ned that is a big problem if om want sto start having telcos re-sell the phone in their stores |
| 11:26.53 | raster | and hgave them as a "with my plan" option |
| 11:27.02 | raster | until then its likely a moot point |
| 11:27.12 | raster | as tho technically not legal - no one will notice or care |
| 11:27.21 | raster | until they are available in sufficient numbers ot cause a problem |
| 11:27.44 | Any_Key | zash: posted to community maillist hope somebody will pong back |
| 11:28.17 | CM | I've noticed that my K810 is silent when taking pictures if you just have it in the silent mode |
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| 11:42.30 | abraxa__ | CM: Sounds like a design flaw to me then: "ah, let's just turn off the amp when in silent mode" or similar |
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| 11:44.00 | CM | Could be :) |
| 11:49.56 | Any_Key | Xand3r, I got it working somehow Just build and flash latest I ve done make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image; make flash-qemu-local; make run-qemu. It boots and going immediately to suspend or something like this |
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| 11:53.42 | Xand3r | thx |
| 11:53.45 | Xand3r | h |
| 11:54.16 | Xand3r | i have a problem with "make openmoko-devel-image" |
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| 12:00.02 | xMDKx | hey, I get the same problem with run-qemu... now I updating the image and will try again |
| 12:00.36 | abraxa__ | nab: ping |
| 12:01.55 | Xand3r | http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/184 |
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| 12:08.05 | Xand3r | Any_Key: an idea? |
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| 12:14.05 | cyrilRomain | Xand3r: 'sudo echo "0" > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr' should solve that |
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| 12:17.03 | methril | this is not going to work |
| 12:17.21 | methril | if you don't want that give you that error every reboot |
| 12:17.33 | cyrilRomain | Xand3r: or put in your /etc/systcl.conf 'vm.mmap_min_addr = 0' |
| 12:17.43 | methril | check /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 12:59.54 | Xand3r | again a qestion, with "make openmoko-devel-image" i get a parsing errors |
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| 13:02.05 | Xand3r | http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/185 |
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| 13:05.29 | Xand3r | cyrilRomain, Any_Key, can you help me |
| 13:07.28 | cyrilRomain | Xand3r: it seems you are behind a firewall, preventing you to fetch subversion repositories |
| 13:07.43 | Xand3r | ? |
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| 13:10.15 | XorA | Xand3r: check out https://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/ninja/trunk/ with svn outside of OE/OM then accept the certificate permanently |
| 13:10.19 | cyrilRomain | Xand3r: hmm or maybe you just have to type 'p' to accept permanently the certificate |
| 13:10.28 | XorA | Xand3r: then it will work within OE/OM |
| 13:11.07 | cyrilRomain | XorA: he can also type in 'p' and press enter while bitbake is parsing |
| 13:11.33 | XorA | cyrilRomain: that doesnt seem to work anymore |
| 13:11.38 | cyrilRomain | XorA: it arrived to me once |
| 13:11.40 | Xand3r | kk |
| 13:11.40 | cyrilRomain | XorA: ah .. |
| 13:11.56 | XorA | cyrilRomain: since OE split into client/server, but I could be wrong |
| 13:13.21 | cyrilRomain | XorA: BTW thanks for the 'kermit playing NIN' video on your blog. It's a really nice video ;) |
| 13:13.40 | XorA | cyrilRomain: heh, the wonders of youtube :-) |
| 13:16.37 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * ra21e9315f228 10/packages/openmoko-projects/etk-theme-ninja_svn.bb: etk-theme-ninja_svn.bb : no need to confuse people by using https |
| 13:16.54 | XorA | fixed the https svn issue anyway :-) |
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| 13:21.26 | bedboi | hi there. |
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| 13:36.50 | Any_Key | XorA, self signed ssl? |
| 13:37.08 | XorA | Any_Key: dont ask me |
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| 13:39.33 | Any_Key | XorA, OK |
| 13:42.06 | balrog-kun | ssssl for short? |
| 13:45.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1435 has been created by mdt(AT)emdete.de |
| 13:45.02 | cdbot2 | * * modem/kernel truncates packages in mux mode after hours of operation |
| 13:45.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1435 |
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| 14:23.14 | Sup3rkiddo | ERROR: '/home/sudharsh/Projects/openmoko/openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb' failed, anyone getting this lately? |
| 14:23.52 | XorA | nope and I just did two kernel builds |
| 14:24.14 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm.. :/ |
| 14:24.24 | Sup3rkiddo | make update and still the same error |
| 14:24.34 | XorA | whats the full error? |
| 14:26.35 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: Yeah, same error here |
| 14:26.57 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, not a git repository? |
| 14:27.11 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: Sorry, I don't understand that question |
| 14:27.11 | Sup3rkiddo | lemme just pastebin the stuff |
| 14:27.58 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, oops...was that the error? |
| 14:28.42 | Sup3rkiddo | http://pastebin.ca/1034114 |
| 14:28.52 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: Hmm nope... mine says " fatal: failed to unpack tree object 3bf4cea81fe7dd81cad6f78019383c93653ba7f6" |
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| 14:29.22 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm..lemme rerun make openmoko-devel-image again |
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| 14:43.30 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r531c4c5849f5 10/packages/openmoko-projects/etk-theme-ninja_svn.bb: etk-theme-ninja_svn.bb : no need to confuse people by using https |
| 14:43.30 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r9d67cb75bc24 10/packages/ipkg-utils/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ipkg-utils-native_1.6+cvs20050404.bb : rejig patches to renable Size: |
| 14:43.31 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r0e8bc3d438d0 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of /home/dp/openmoko/openmoko/ into org.openmoko.dev |
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| 14:46.45 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4460 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg.c: |
| 14:46.45 | CIA-43 | openmoko: opkg: run pre-install check before listing upgradable packages to ensure all |
| 14:46.45 | CIA-43 | openmoko: data is valid. Fixes bug 1433. |
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| 15:00.54 | jan_ | hi all |
| 15:02.37 | jan_ | Is there someone around who can provide some feedback on using qemu? |
| 15:03.14 | balrog-kun | i'm afraid you have to ask something more precise |
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| 15:03.36 | jan_ | OK, I installed qemu as described on the wiki |
| 15:04.00 | jan_ | The qemu window starts correctly when I run make run-qemu-snapshot |
| 15:04.19 | vvb | can anyone help me to get my moko to connect as a USB mass storage when i connect to my PC? |
| 15:05.06 | mwester | vvb: That would be a good feature to add. |
| 15:05.27 | jan_ | When I boot the simulated device, everything looks quite normal, but when the device should display the main menu, it looks disturbed. Most of the screen is black. |
| 15:05.34 | balrog-kun | vvb: you'll have to rmmod g_ether and modprobe g_file_storage with some parameter |
| 15:05.40 | balrog-kun | i don't remember what |
| 15:06.23 | balrog-kun | jan_: have a screenshot at hand? |
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| 15:06.45 | jan_ | I can try to make one. Where should I send it? |
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| 15:07.36 | balrog-kun | http://www.imagebin.org/ possibly |
| 15:08.00 | jan_ | I'm giving it a try... |
| 15:08.37 | vvb | balrog: ok.. let me try in that direction |
| 15:09.08 | jan_ | see http://imagebin.org/19100 |
| 15:10.26 | balrog-kun | wooo minimalistic :) |
| 15:10.30 | balrog-kun | i heard they went with a minimalistic theme approach |
| 15:10.41 | jan_ | :-) |
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| 15:11.08 | jan_ | At the moment it is even more minimalistic. Completely back except a remainder of a cursor.... |
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| 15:11.38 | jan_ | Is it possible that it has to do with the backlight settings. |
| 15:11.49 | balrog-kun | nope |
| 15:12.00 | balrog-kun | jan_: have you had a chance to run the image on a real neo1973 maybe? |
| 15:12.25 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4461 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/tests/libopkg_test.c: opkg: add some command line arguments to libopkg_test |
| 15:12.26 | jan_ | Unfortunately not.... |
| 15:13.01 | jan_ | In the console I see: s3c_mmci_writew: Bad register 0x38 |
| 15:13.02 | jan_ | neo_bl_intensity: LCD Backlight now at 0/64. |
| 15:13.04 | jan_ | s3c_gpio_read: Bad register 0x94 |
| 15:13.05 | jan_ | s3c_gpio_read: Bad register 0x98 |
| 15:13.10 | balrog-kun | these are normal |
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| 15:13.43 | balrog-kun | i'm not sure what may be causing this if it is qemu-related |
| 15:14.07 | balrog-kun | jan_: is it a more or less standard build? |
| 15:14.36 | jan_ | Completely standard. |
| 15:14.38 | jan_ | I just followed the instructions on the wiki |
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| 15:15.05 | jan_ | How can I get a shell in the qemu? |
| 15:15.32 | avoine | what is the problem jan_ ? |
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| 15:16.20 | jan_ | I think there is something wrong with the xserver on my qemu emulation. |
| 15:16.21 | jan_ | I had a strange screen, now it is completely black. |
| 15:16.33 | balrog-kun | jan_: one of the categories in the launcher (the down arrow button i believe) should contain "terminal" |
| 15:16.52 | avoine | I have the same problem first the screen is black and white |
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| 15:17.19 | avoine | then it turn completely black if you don't touch the mouse |
| 15:17.22 | jan_ | Is it the same as http://imagebin.org/19100 ? |
| 15:17.41 | balrog-kun | will try it out later |
| 15:17.50 | avoine | yep same things here |
| 15:18.19 | jan_ | avoine, what platform are you using to run qemu? |
| 15:18.20 | jan_ | I'm on Fedora9 64 bit |
| 15:18.35 | avoine | I'm on ubuntu 32bit |
| 15:18.56 | jan_ | ok, so probably not platform specific. |
| 15:19.19 | avoine | I had to build a local qemu image be able to see it running normally |
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| 15:20.14 | jan_ | OK, I can try that as well. Did you simply follow the instruction on the wiki to do the build? |
| 15:20.33 | avoine | I mean: make qemu-local was working for me with the mokomakefile in the svn |
| 15:20.55 | jan_ | OK I will try that... |
| 15:21.08 | avoine | follow this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 15:21.18 | avoine | And take the svn makefile |
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| 15:23.07 | jan_ | Thanks for the pointer. Trying this will take me some time. I will come back with the results. |
| 15:23.12 | roh | anybody here html/css skills in browser-interoperability? |
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| 15:23.36 | roh | a webdesigners chance to help om out ;) |
| 15:25.29 | SpeedEvil | uses the power of plain text websites with no CSS! |
| 15:25.37 | mjr | too! |
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| 15:25.48 | roh | only gets one into more troubles. |
| 15:25.51 | balrog-kun | jan_: my first guess would be that the latest OM is broken on gta01, not qemu |
| 15:26.15 | balrog-kun | but i'm biased :) |
| 15:27.00 | roh | design and content need to be seperated as much as possible, else maintaining the first will take too much manpower |
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| 15:29.27 | roh | the problem is basically simple: ie and safari render the sidebar in the wiki shifted down at the end of the page instead from top. firefox 2, 3 and opera render fine. |
| 15:29.40 | roh | it does even validate now (even if that brought no change) |
| 15:30.43 | jan_ | balrog-kun: I do not understand with that statement, because I am running OM on qemu, not on gta01 ? |
| 15:31.23 | balrog-kun | jan_: qemu and gta01 are supposed to run identically |
| 15:31.29 | balrog-kun | if they don't then it's a qemu bug |
| 15:32.04 | balrog-kun | roh: you may have more luck in #ie or #safari as most people probably use firefox or something gtk based here |
| 15:32.23 | balrog-kun | on the other hand people in #ie won't have any idea about the differences :p |
| 15:33.13 | balrog-kun | or #html |
| 15:36.42 | roh | *sigh* |
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| 15:47.49 | vvb | where do i find g_ether and g_file_storage |
| 15:47.52 | vvb | in openmoko |
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| 16:36.03 | CIA-43 | openmoko: - add stub for community repository |
| 16:36.03 | CIA-43 | openmoko: - this file should later contain the list of tested and acknowledged files on projects, which then get assembled into the community feed |
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| 16:56.39 | wurp2 | cesarb__: Certainly no problem. It's not as if I've done a lot to make the neo nicer in the last few months :-) |
| 16:57.18 | SpeedEvil | roh: the bluetooth in freerunner is identical to GTA01? |
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| 17:33.07 | wurp2 | Adding up the things listed in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management that are normally active on my neo, I get about 335 mW of power used in normal, idle, settings |
| 17:33.25 | wurp2 | but dividing 3500 mWh by 5 h of idle time before it dies, I get 700 mW |
| 17:33.34 | wurp2 | Does anyone know why the big discrepancy? |
| 17:35.06 | wurp2 | I'm adding: 140 mW for idle processor at 200 MHz, 45 mW for idle gsm, 80mW for LCD driver, ~72 mW for memory bus usage to send data to lcd |
| 17:35.47 | wurp2 | (I got the 72mW figure from the 1mW/MB figure on the pm page, then multiplied 640x480x4 bytesx60Hz refresh rate) |
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| 17:36.06 | emdete | wurp2: maybe one should mesure |
| 17:36.17 | wurp2 | Yeah, one should |
| 17:36.22 | wurp2 | One with the equipment :-/ |
| 17:36.36 | wurp2 | I only have crappy ammeters |
| 17:36.45 | emdete | wurp2: i tried to build a dummy batery for that.... but had no time |
| 17:37.09 | emdete | wurp2: shure, that's the next prob |
| 17:37.34 | wurp2 | I just hoped someone had a clue what I was missing :-( |
| 17:38.32 | wurp2 | I'll post the Q to the list. |
| 17:38.49 | wurp2 | emdete: Have you tested battery life running Zad? |
| 17:39.04 | wurp2 | afk 4 a bit... |
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| 17:43.29 | emdete | wurp2: shure. no difference. i get around 5h incl gprs, gsm, gps on. |
| 17:43.39 | emdete | wurp2: i am the steady-on guy ;) |
| 17:44.38 | wurp2 | Yeah, I have been keeping my gps off |
| 17:44.49 | wurp2 | But after actually looking at power usage, I think I'm gonna keep it on all the time |
| 17:44.55 | emdete | doesnt seem to take too much |
| 17:45.00 | wurp2 | Why do you list gprs and gsm separately? |
| 17:45.13 | emdete | wurp2: it is seperated |
| 17:45.18 | wurp2 | Separate hw? |
| 17:45.21 | emdete | gsm means you receive calls and sms |
| 17:45.33 | emdete | gprs is a steady on connection (more or less) |
| 17:45.38 | wurp2 | so gprs makes the gsm radio more active |
| 17:45.44 | emdete | some parts of zad make use of it |
| 17:45.47 | emdete | yes |
| 17:46.03 | emdete | so 5h without any pm in my app/daemons is quite good |
| 17:46.26 | wurp2 | And on Zad, gprs gets disconnected while you're actually on a call, but reconnects automatically when you get off? |
| 17:46.34 | emdete | yes. |
| 17:46.40 | wurp2 | Or maybe reconnects automatically the next time it's asked for after you get off the call/sms |
| 17:46.50 | wurp2 | yeah, 5h with gprs on all the time is very nice |
| 17:46.58 | emdete | other phones are able to do different but the neo cant do gprs and a call at a time |
| 17:47.01 | wurp2 | Considering that I only get 4-5 hrs with it off using OM stack |
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| 17:47.25 | otavio | Did someone got this segfault? http://pastebin.com/f186a9e30 |
| 17:51.17 | wurp2 | otavio: I guess not :-) |
| 17:51.56 | otavio | I'm building HEAD of opkg to see if it's still reproducable |
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| 17:53.48 | mmontour | wurp2: my CPU runs 266 MHz (according to dmesg), not 200 |
| 17:58.42 | mwester | wurp2, emdete: does anyone have documentation on the magic low-power modes for the Calypso? One of the big (huge, actually) power issues on the GTA01 is that even when suspended the GSM seems to suck way too much power. |
| 17:59.11 | emdete | wurp2: my first tests where 3h, i think the battery need some charging cycles before havin full capacity |
| 17:59.59 | emdete | mwester: i only know that signaling over serial line sux. |
| 18:00.21 | mwester | signaling? |
| 18:00.48 | emdete | mwester: i don't see a neo without a muxer, so the muxer has to do all the power mngmt but the modem does not implement it as specified |
| 18:00.52 | emdete | mwester: wakeup |
| 18:01.14 | emdete | mwester: the modem sleeps in general and on avery single channel... that weird |
| 18:01.46 | emdete | mwester: there is no deterministic way to know when it slept away and when you have to wake it |
| 18:01.49 | mwester | I don't understand -- why would it sleep on the channels? That seems ridiculous? |
| 18:02.10 | mwester | (i.e. how could it sleep on one but not another?) |
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| 18:04.07 | mwester | emdete: did I see you open a bug on corrupted packets? |
| 18:06.25 | emdete | yes |
| 18:06.42 | emdete | mwester: yes, sleeping channels are braindead |
| 18:07.33 | emdete | the packet problem apears after days of using the modem heavily. or after hours if you do alot with the modem. seems to get something corrupted over time |
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| 18:08.28 | tomboy64 | how problematic would it be to get a palm/symbian software running on the om? |
| 18:08.36 | emdete | the heavily obove was related to the bug: you get lots of truncated packages... |
| 18:09.23 | emdete | tomboy64: you dont want to |
| 18:09.26 | balrog-kun | tomboy64: like writing wine i think |
| 18:09.37 | tomboy64 | starts crying |
| 18:09.46 | emdete | tomboy64: what do you miss? |
| 18:09.48 | tomboy64 | wants some working navigational software on the om |
| 18:09.53 | balrog-kun | unless you use an emulator |
| 18:10.01 | tomboy64 | balrog-kun: i was afraid so :( |
| 18:10.23 | tomboy64 | emdete: i planned on using it as a navigational tool when i'm around on my bike/car |
| 18:10.52 | tomboy64 | until i found out roadnav and navit are the only ones supporting om so far - and both are unusable in their current state. |
| 18:10.57 | emdete | tomboy64: so you are the guy implementing a open source navigation tool for biking... |
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| 18:11.14 | tomboy64 | :-D |
| 18:11.33 | emdete | tomboy64: i think, things will grow... it takes some time butyou will get what you want |
| 18:11.33 | tomboy64 | is surprised he suddenly can program |
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| 18:11.44 | tomboy64 | i think so, too |
| 18:11.57 | tomboy64 | but i need that navigation in 2 months |
| 18:12.05 | emdete | tomboy64: you can help with other stuff too |
| 18:12.10 | tomboy64 | and i'm thinking about getting a smartphone with support for it :-/ |
| 18:12.14 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all, just a thought regarding my GSoC project with odeviced...how about a GPS plugin that emits signals even the co.ordinates change? |
| 18:12.19 | Sup3rkiddo | <--- noob |
| 18:12.22 | Sup3rkiddo | no flames |
| 18:12.52 | Sup3rkiddo | signals as in dbus signals |
| 18:13.03 | emdete | gypsy already does so and the daemon suite in zad too |
| 18:13.19 | tomboy64 | i am already programming around with a navigational tool for public transportation - one that makes use of gps, shows the plan of the current city, contains all bus-/subway-/train lines of berlin as an example |
| 18:13.44 | tomboy64 | gonna take some time till it's remotely usable, though |
| 18:14.36 | mwester | emdete: Is it possible that the corrupted packets are due to UART errors rather than the GSM itself? |
| 18:14.53 | wurp2 | tomboy64: What's wrong with navit? |
| 18:15.08 | wurp2 | mmontour: Thanks for the heads up about 266 - I thought the 1973 ran at 200 |
| 18:15.27 | emdete | mwester: shure |
| 18:15.39 | emdete | mwester: so i wrote modem/kernel :D |
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| 18:15.48 | emdete | mwester: it even can be my muxer ;) |
| 18:16.03 | tomboy64 | wurp2: to be honest, i need commercial support since i am occasionally in need of map-material of remote areas |
| 18:16.36 | wurp2 | tomboy64: I think navit can accept maps from some commercial formats... |
| 18:16.37 | mwester | :) Ok, just checking. We can find out which... is there a simple test I can run on a Neo with a pay-as-you-go SIM? |
| 18:16.41 | tomboy64 | and until now i couldn't figure out how to import (bought!) vector material |
| 18:16.41 | SpeedEvil | tomboy64: what's the map you're using? |
| 18:16.52 | wurp2 | You have to convert the maps to navit format either way :-/ |
| 18:17.06 | tomboy64 | wurp2: it can import "großer reiseplaner" maps - which are ... broken |
| 18:17.32 | tomboy64 | and garmin's NT-format isn't supported - apart from them being encrypted :-/ |
| 18:17.36 | wurp2 | and the issue with tango is that it doesn't do routing? |
| 18:17.44 | tomboy64 | :) |
| 18:17.55 | SpeedEvil | tango is just a moving map |
| 18:17.55 | tomboy64 | sighs |
| 18:18.09 | SpeedEvil | tomboy64: I assume OSM is useless? |
| 18:18.14 | wurp2 | tango is just a moving picture |
| 18:18.29 | wurp2 | of a map |
| 18:18.29 | tomboy64 | SpeedEvil: it isn't. in crowded areas it's quite usable |
| 18:18.38 | tomboy64 | but importing all of a country is impossible right now |
| 18:18.44 | SpeedEvil | contemplates people loading the Mona Lisa into TangoGPS. |
| 18:18.49 | tomboy64 | plus remote areas are insufficiently mapped. |
| 18:19.05 | tomboy64 | roadnav is promising though. but it only supports pixel-maps of the u.s. |
| 18:19.15 | SpeedEvil | 'I'm just next to the left nostril'. |
| 18:19.26 | wurp2 | mmontour: Holy crap! 266 MHz uses 450mw; 200 MHz idle uses 140 mW |
| 18:19.39 | wurp2 | I need to find out how to underclock my neo |
| 18:19.44 | tomboy64 | :-D |
| 18:19.50 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: where did you get that number? |
| 18:19.56 | wurp2 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management |
| 18:19.59 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: ah - no |
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| 18:20.22 | SpeedEvil | That was way back - I think that was estimated from the datasheet. |
| 18:20.29 | wurp2 | ah |
| 18:20.35 | wurp2 | Do you know where I can find better figures? |
| 18:20.46 | SpeedEvil | I need to make some measurements. |
| 18:20.46 | mwester | Does cesarb__ have some figures from his dynamic clock work? |
| 18:20.50 | wurp2 | I posted a bunch of stuff about power usage on the neo earlier hoping to bait you out |
| 18:20.58 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 18:21.18 | wurp2 | s/posted/commented about on irc/ |
| 18:21.47 | mmontour | wurp2: according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader_commands you can change the clock speed from the u-boot console |
| 18:22.03 | SpeedEvil | wuwu: the relevant figures are # 320mW @ 200MHz |
| 18:22.04 | SpeedEvil | # 450mW @ 266MHz |
| 18:22.05 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03roh * r4464 10/trunk/feeds/community-repository/file-index.txt: testtest |
| 18:22.21 | wurp2 | I see the 320, but it also says 140 if the cpu is idle |
| 18:22.38 | wurp2 | I realize that I wasn't apples-to-apples there since there's no idle figure for 266 MHz |
| 18:23.13 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: however, I think this may have been datasheet. I hope to get current measurement figures in the next few days. |
| 18:23.26 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: life and lack of funds have been getting in my way. |
| 18:24.28 | wurp2 | I'll try to remember this weekend to underclock my neo and document some of the experience |
| 18:24.57 | wurp2 | especially battery life |
| 18:25.13 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: Life. Such a hassle. |
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| 18:55.30 | zedstar | for an end user application what would be the sensible location to store an sqlite db file on the neo? |
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| 18:58.11 | zedstar | im guessing /usr/share/{name of application}/ |
| 18:58.35 | tedo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.49 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.44 | zedstar | yeh media card be good for potentially big db |
| 19:00.08 | abraxa_ | zedstar: Make it user-configurable, with a default of /media/card/.system, /opt/whatever or /var/whatever |
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| 19:00.47 | abraxa_ | Reason: If the rootfs is filled up there is *only* one way to recover: reflashing |
| 19:00.56 | zedstar | yeh sure |
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| 19:02.34 | zedstar | i will add user configurable later but is just a silly little program to log bt device names and times |
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| 19:08.38 | mmontour | zedstar: /var/lib/something is probably best if it's small or if the user has their rootfs on SD, otherwise /media/card/... |
| 19:09.50 | zedstar | yeh thanks...i think /var will do until i add command line options to configure it |
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| 19:22.50 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * re18fef3462c6 10/otapi/ (5 files): |
| 19:22.50 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: otapi specs: apply first batch of change requests from |
| 19:22.50 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/smartphones-standards/2008-May/000060.html |
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| 19:34.33 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r3b32661e45e8 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [qtopia] Update Qtopia to get better icons for illume |
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| 19:34.57 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r10258792f173 10/packages/e17/e-wm/applications.menu: [e-wm] Do not show System;Settings categories for ASU/illume |
| 19:35.00 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r59fba4eaaa25 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [qtopia] Upgrade and adjust packaging. More icons for Qtopia |
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| 19:35.13 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r55aabe78ae17 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up illume to rev 98 - new config and config icons filtered out. |
| 19:35.16 | doc|work | o.O |
| 19:35.18 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r602594514e33 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: [openmoko] Install a small hint when a certain image was built and what was used |
| 19:35.21 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r16c4e5fb9b09 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] Upgrade the kernel to the latest stable one |
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| 19:35.29 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rfd1e6e3b0c91 10/packages/openmoko-projects/etk-theme-ninja_svn.bb: NO AUTOREV! |
| 19:35.32 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r2575856dafe9 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [qtopia] Increase the Qtopia version |
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| 19:39.01 | roh | SpeedEvil jap, afaik the same module used |
| 19:39.11 | roh | csr4 or such |
| 19:41.37 | aggtrfrad | i hope they change the bluetooth chipset from csr4rom to csr4ext |
| 19:41.47 | aggtrfrad | it would be so much better for bt devel |
| 19:42.43 | roh | whats the difference? |
| 19:43.00 | aggtrfrad | upgradable firmware |
| 19:43.18 | roh | can't you upload it into ram and execute there? |
| 19:43.43 | aggtrfrad | no its in the bluetooth chipset |
| 19:43.55 | roh | i mean.. these thingies say they speak DFU |
| 19:44.03 | roh | same with the one in my thinkpad |
| 19:44.42 | roh | but u didn't dare to upload something in hope there is a bootloader which survives |
| 19:44.57 | aggtrfrad | yes the do but the one used in gt1 is read only, you cannot upload new dfu to the chipset |
| 19:45.39 | roh | is there some way to test that revision? |
| 19:45.41 | aggtrfrad | yeah well you take the chance i guess :p |
| 19:45.56 | wurp2 | Are there things we could do with bt that we're restricted from because of the closed firmware? |
| 19:46.25 | SpeedEvil | lots |
| 19:46.35 | cb22 | flood 2.4ghz and make devices blow up? |
| 19:46.44 | SpeedEvil | No - more interesting than that. |
| 19:46.49 | aggtrfrad | monitoring but can be used for bad eg. sniffing data that are not to be sniffed :/ |
| 19:47.14 | SpeedEvil | For example, waking the SoC only on interesting events. |
| 19:47.41 | SpeedEvil | (neglecting that there is no wake-on-bt line) |
| 19:47.43 | cb22 | Isn't it connected via USB though? |
| 19:48.23 | ljp | geez, please really care about the size of the audio plug |
| 19:48.24 | aggtrfrad | dont know never had one |
| 19:48.37 | cb22 | ljp: bike shead :) |
| 19:48.40 | aggtrfrad | im waiting for it :< |
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| 19:50.48 | cb22 | i'm still waiting for the post where we get to choose the case :) |
| 19:51.12 | SpeedEvil | cb22: yes |
| 19:51.51 | cb22 | and the usb can wake up the cpu? |
| 19:52.08 | SpeedEvil | It's not quite that simple. |
| 19:52.18 | SpeedEvil | With USB active, most of the CPU has to be up. |
| 19:52.23 | wurp2 | Is the userspace muxer available in the standard OM build somehow? |
| 19:52.41 | SpeedEvil | The BT chipset supports extra wires to wake the CPU from sleep - but these are not brought out to the CPU |
| 19:53.58 | mwester | thinks that we should shrink one of these, and put it in the neo. Why waste time with crappy little bluetooth injection?!! http://www.emtron.com.au/amplifiers_dx3.php :p |
| 19:54.13 | cb22 | seconds |
| 19:54.40 | SpeedEvil | You can do much much more interesting things than injection with BT |
| 19:56.02 | wurp2 | I still dunno what any of those things are that we could do w/ firmware. I can see that it could give more flexibility in wake-on-bt, but honestly that doesn't really do anything for me :-) |
| 19:56.04 | mwester | Yeah, I know. The stock answer is just like the crew that wants packet injection on the wifi: "I'm just going to use it to do security testing on my personal wireless". Right-o. |
| 19:56.07 | SpeedEvil | For example, pretend to be a BT headset. |
| 19:56.20 | wurp2 | It can't do that right now? |
| 19:56.21 | SpeedEvil | Your phone is suspended. |
| 19:56.28 | SpeedEvil | Your carphone gets a call |
| 19:56.48 | SpeedEvil | It talks to its BT paired headset - the neo - which wakes - and does whatever. |
| 19:57.07 | wurp2 | That sounds like an edge case to me |
| 19:57.07 | SpeedEvil | And no, it can't do that now - it has to be awake with USB on. |
| 19:57.32 | wurp2 | (to be fair, it would have to have the wake-on-bt line too. Open firmware wouldn't fix that...) |
| 19:57.40 | cb22 | mwester: please, what else would you use it for :p |
| 19:57.43 | SpeedEvil | You get into your car, and the phone wakes from suspend as the BT device that is the car appears |
| 19:57.54 | SpeedEvil | It then configures into car mode - whatever that is. |
| 19:58.15 | wurp2 | That would be cool, but I dunno anyone who has bt in their car |
| 19:58.17 | mwester | cb22: Of course, of course. nobody would EVER use it to crack other people's wireless connections, now would they? That would be, well, "not-nice". |
| 19:58.40 | SpeedEvil | However - at the moment - essentially all of these interesting apps require the wake on BT line |
| 19:58.57 | emdete | wurp2: for muxer in om stack above: yes and no |
| 19:58.57 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: it's in many cars as an option. |
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| 19:59.03 | mwester | I'm *so* pleased at so many people who are all *so* worried about their *own* wireless security, that they keep the equipment turned on in their cars as they drive about. |
| 19:59.07 | emdete | wurp2: no: the muxer uses dbus, om does not |
| 19:59.24 | mwester | I guess, so that they can test *their own* wireless as soon as they pull into their garage.! |
| 19:59.40 | cb22 | mwester: i fully agree, sometimes they like to help test their neighbours wifi for them |
| 19:59.44 | cb22 | such good citizens |
| 19:59.45 | emdete | wurp2: yes: you can use a shellscript that uses dbus-send to allocate a channel and hang libgsmd on it. that is everything but reliable... |
| 19:59.55 | kdean06 | wurp2, From my seat right now I can connect to two cars parked on the street. |
| 20:00.02 | kdean06 | Via bluetooth, I mean. |
| 20:00.16 | roh | i am annoyed by 'wireless security' |
| 20:00.29 | wurp2 | kdean06: Weird, I haven't heard of bt in cars other than in this room, and am not sure what I would use it for |
| 20:00.33 | mwester | cb22: my eyes fill with tears of gratefulness at all those who have tried to help *me* out by personally testing my wireless connections and firewalls for me. I will certainly do everything I can to help them use the Neo to continue their wonderful kind efforts. |
| 20:00.39 | XorA|gone | ahah, I think I found the gta01 ASU segfaukt |
| 20:00.43 | roh | makes wifi unusable for guests and doesnt add security, yet people who do not get it/have no clue rely on it |
| 20:00.45 | wurp2 | Other than diagnostics in a shop, and you can just physically connect then |
| 20:00.58 | cb22 | XorA|gone: so, to speak, it should be gone now ^-^ |
| 20:01.10 | XorA|gone | cb22: do you have a defive ready to tests? |
| 20:01.11 | roh | crypto is either end-to-end or useless... so.. use ssl/tls and free your accesspoints |
| 20:01.30 | wurp2 | emdete: You're saying I can put libgsmd on the dbus, but it's very unreliable to do so? |
| 20:01.36 | XorA|gone | s/defive/device/ |
| 20:01.38 | cb22 | XorA|gone: unfortunatly not :( /me points at SpeedEvil |
| 20:01.40 | mwester | roh: you are correct. I use VPNs internally where security matters. |
| 20:01.48 | cb22 | or anyone else that is lucky enough to have one |
| 20:02.01 | kdean06 | wurp2, Okay, I suppose it's technically the other devices in the vehicle. Such as handsfree calling through the stereo system, song transfer to the stereo, maps downloads from the built in GPS... |
| 20:02.05 | cb22 | well, i just happen to live next to the chines embassy |
| 20:02.08 | XorA|gone | cb22: you dont have gta01? |
| 20:02.35 | mwester | has a gta01... but his last gta01 asu build was many days ago. |
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| 20:02.47 | cb22 | so i set up a wifi network with the ssid 'FreeTibet', and the only website accessable is www.freetibet.org no dns or icmp or anything else |
| 20:02.53 | cb22 | XorA|gone: nope |
| 20:03.03 | emdete | wurp2: i say: alloc a channel from muxer (via dbus) that's a unix dev in /dev. tell this the libgsmd |
| 20:03.04 | mwester | cb22: that's funny! :D |
| 20:03.22 | roh | hrhr |
| 20:03.28 | XorA|gone | mwester: doesnt matter, can you check whether ttf-dejavu-common_2.23-r0_all.ipk ttf-dejavu-sans_2.23-r0_all.ipk font-update-common_0.1-r0_all.ipk got installed |
| 20:03.29 | emdete | wurp2: but if libgsmd crashes who takes care of the garbage |
| 20:03.43 | XorA|gone | mwester: and if not install them and reboot and see if qpe stays running? |
| 20:03.47 | mwester | goes to check his build... |
| 20:03.57 | wurp2 | ah, so the problem is that libgsmd is not stable enough? |
| 20:04.34 | cb22 | they've portscanned my server a few times - its an isolated pentium 2 running openbsd, so i dont think they are going anywhere, i'm gonna wait for them to come knocking on my door |
| 20:05.35 | XorA|gone | mwester: its gonna take me a couple of hours to make an image |
| 20:06.32 | emdete | wurp2: yes and no: anyway i design things to be restartable.. this contruct is not |
| 20:07.03 | wurp2 | emdete: Currently whenever my gsm flakes out on me, I have to restart my neo anyway :-( |
| 20:07.30 | wurp2 | emdete: I need to try stopping gsmd, powering off the gsm, powering up gsm, starting gsmd |
| 20:07.47 | wurp2 | emdete: But I know just restarting gsmd doesn't help :-( |
| 20:07.50 | cb22 | say, on the mailing lists there was a post about gta03 having otg, correct or mere typo? (considering i think 03 doesnt exist) |
| 20:08.03 | emdete | wurp2: see... |
| 20:08.04 | cb22 | s/think/heard/ |
| 20:08.21 | emdete | wurp2: no comment on that... |
| 20:08.33 | SpeedEvil | 03 now exists again |
| 20:08.44 | SpeedEvil | It used not to exist, then it exists again. |
| 20:09.11 | SpeedEvil | There was internal debate as to drop it - hich seemed to have won, and push on with 04 |
| 20:09.24 | SpeedEvil | Then that went the other way |
| 20:09.45 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: is this on any ML by any chance? |
| 20:10.04 | SpeedEvil | No - stuff from IRC. |
| 20:10.07 | mickey|berlin | i recommend not speculating about 03, 04, 05 as concrete devices |
| 20:10.09 | SpeedEvil | Mainly raster I think |
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| 20:10.52 | SpeedEvil | But until we actually see shipping product, I'd hesitate on considering 02, 03, 04 concrete product :) |
| 20:10.55 | wurp2 | mickey|berlin: Now you have us speculating about 05, which I hadn't heard mentioned before ;-) |
| 20:11.01 | XorA|gone | mickey|berlin: sounds wise :-) |
| 20:11.09 | cb22 | ah right, mickey|berlin 05? |
| 20:11.14 | XorA|gone | gta42 is the answer |
| 20:11.28 | doc|work | what are we getting in new devices? :) |
| 20:11.44 | cb22 | gta05 should be out in 2 months!! omg ponies!! |
| 20:11.55 | doc|work | cb22: 2 months?! I Want it last month damn it! |
| 20:12.07 | doc|work | also, don't forget the kitchen sink |
| 20:12.12 | cb22 | and the V8 |
| 20:12.31 | wurp2 | I heard the 05 does augmented reality with high-resolution DGPS and gyro compass, plus retina-scanning laser HUD |
| 20:12.37 | cb22 | spies a 3.2mp camera in 03 |
| 20:12.44 | zash | and the nuclear reactor! |
| 20:13.01 | doc|work | wurp2: rawr! |
| 20:13.05 | doc|work | wants! |
| 20:13.09 | cb22 | and a 9800gt, so we will finally have enough video bandwidth |
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| 20:13.14 | doc|work | hahaha |
| 20:13.18 | doc|work | cb22: crysis?! |
| 20:13.25 | cb22 | on a pci-x 2 32x bus, naturally |
| 20:13.29 | doc|work | of course |
| 20:13.33 | cb22 | i wouldnt want it connected via sdio :p |
| 20:13.37 | doc|work | heh |
| 20:14.35 | zash | but I want my batterysized nuclear reactors! |
| 20:14.41 | zash | WANTS |
| 20:14.59 | cb22 | just take a lipoly battery and do bad things to it |
| 20:14.59 | SpeedEvil | has fission-based keyring lightsource. |
| 20:15.06 | cb22 | you'll get the same effect |
| 20:15.22 | ljp | dont need all that, just go solar |
| 20:15.36 | kdean06 | Kinetic charging FTW. |
| 20:16.03 | wurp2 | kdean06: The problem with that is that techies don't move much |
| 20:16.11 | kdean06 | No comment. |
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| 20:16.25 | doc|work | wurp2: speak for yourself, I regularly get up and go to the fridge |
| 20:16.33 | wurp2 | doc|work: ;-) |
| 20:16.37 | doc|work | :) |
| 20:16.58 | wurp2 | You obviously need a minifridge next to each of the places you sit, like me |
| 20:17.08 | wurp2 | You're not being efficient |
| 20:17.17 | mwester | hehe |
| 20:17.29 | doc|work | wurp2: but then I'd just never get any exercise |
| 20:17.32 | kdean06 | wurp2, I just ran lines up from the basement, tapping right off the kegs. |
| 20:17.34 | doc|work | <- disciplined |
| 20:17.38 | mwester | or better placement of your 'puter -- the kitchen is ideal. |
| 20:17.45 | doc|work | mwester: hah |
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| 20:21.23 | wurp2 | emdete: Do you have docs about the valid keys for your dbus method parameters? |
| 20:22.51 | emdete | wurp2: there are examples in the c code... is that enough? |
| 20:23.34 | emdete | wurp2: the parameter is a identifier which is not needed for the modem in the neo. |
| 20:23.41 | emdete | wurp2: put any string into it |
| 20:24.38 | wurp2 | emdete: ok, thx |
| 20:25.04 | wurp2 | I meant in general, but the specific info for the muxer is much appreciated :-) |
| 20:25.38 | emdete | wurp2: not only the muxer but the whole zad stack? |
| 20:26.25 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * ra8c3382ff8cd 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): ophoned: refactor yield support into own mixin class AbstractYieldSupport |
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| 20:28.42 | wurp2 | emdete: Yeah, I was wondering how one goes about finding out the parms for the dbus methods |
| 20:28.50 | wurp2 | It sounds as if the answer is "look at the C code" |
| 20:29.53 | CVirus | hehe |
| 20:30.29 | abraxa_ | wurp2: It's all still in flux, so indeed looking at the python code would be the best way to find out |
| 20:31.10 | wurp2 | abraxa_: So you're using/developing for Zad too? |
| 20:31.34 | abraxa_ | Somewhat :) |
| 20:31.43 | abraxa_ | The PIM daemon I'm writing will be used for both Zad and OM |
| 20:33.50 | wurp2 | cool |
| 20:34.40 | emdete | wurp2: no, the answer is: the api is still moving, so it takes some time to get documented |
| 20:34.43 | emdete | :D |
| 20:35.10 | wurp2 | sure |
| 20:35.41 | wurp2 | But for now, if I wanna know how to use it I look at the code |
| 20:35.41 | mwester | has a brilliant idea -- and dashes off to note that *he himself* is still moving, so his boss will have to wait a while for the status report. |
| 20:35.41 | wurp2 | It wasn't meant to be a criticism, just getting the facts straight |
| 20:35.47 | mwester | :p |
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| 20:57.30 | ram__ | is there anyone who can help me out with the microfone on the openmoko |
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| 20:58.26 | wurp2 | ram__: I know how to use arecord off it; that's it :-) |
| 20:58.47 | ram__ | i used arecord..but there is jus silence3 |
| 20:58.57 | ram__ | i dumped the wav file and it only had NULL |
| 20:59.15 | wurp2 | it comes through very quiet for me, but it definitely records |
| 20:59.19 | wurp2 | sec, lemme check my script |
| 21:00.34 | wurp2 | alsactl -f /etc/capturehandset.state restore |
| 21:00.52 | wurp2 | arecord -f cd -t wav -d $dur $filename |
| 21:01.09 | ram__ | can u send the capturehandset.state |
| 21:01.18 | ram__ | i tried with the gsmhandset.state in the wiki |
| 21:01.18 | wurp2 | alsactl -f /etc/stereoout.state restore |
| 21:01.22 | ram__ | it gives an error |
| 21:01.31 | wurp2 | capturehandset should already be in /etc, no? |
| 21:01.51 | XorA|gone | /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/*.state |
| 21:02.18 | wurp2 | I haven't used my record script in a long time |
| 21:02.30 | wurp2 | Did they move some of the .state files to the loc you just gave, XorA|gone ? |
| 21:02.56 | XorA|gone | wurp2: I moved them |
| 21:03.08 | wurp2 | heh |
| 21:03.09 | ram__ | missing still |
| 21:03.15 | ram__ | there are a few state files though |
| 21:03.45 | XorA|gone | wurp2: they werent really config files for user editing to /etc/ seemed to be a bad place |
| 21:04.18 | wurp2 | I see. Lemme note the new loc on the wiki page where I keep such things.. |
| 21:04.33 | wurp2 | but it sounds as if ram__ is saying that capture is not there, either |
| 21:05.01 | ram__ | i dont have the capture*.state file |
| 21:05.11 | ram__ | i hav stereoout |
| 21:05.20 | ram__ | and gsmhandset in the scenarios dir |
| 21:05.51 | XorA|gone | ram__: do you have a gta02? |
| 21:06.10 | ram__ | yeah |
| 21:06.16 | XorA|gone | ram__: ah, I never made files for that |
| 21:06.32 | XorA|gone | ram__: use the gta01 files in svn as a base |
| 21:07.11 | wurp2 | heh, all the info I was giving you was for the 1973 |
| 21:07.28 | wurp2 | I'm not privileged enough to have a FR yet |
| 21:07.44 | ram__ | :) |
| 21:08.04 | wurp2 | Are you doing the speech recog project? |
| 21:09.36 | ram__ | nope...iam working on my own |
| 21:11.23 | wurp2 | So how did you get your hands on a FR, if I may ask? |
| 21:11.42 | ram__ | I bought it ?! |
| 21:11.57 | wurp2 | In India? |
| 21:12.11 | wurp2 | They are not generally for sale... |
| 21:12.44 | wurp2 | Not generally for sale anywhere, as far as I know |
| 21:13.09 | ram__ | iam at rutgers |
| 21:13.18 | ram__ | we bought a few 1973s |
| 21:14.03 | abraxa_ | "a few", eh? |
| 21:14.04 | abraxa_ | ;) |
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| 21:19.05 | wurp2 | And then you bought a gta02/FreeRunner? |
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| 21:33.41 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r9651a8162591 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: [qtopia-phone-x11] RDEPEND on dejavu-sans as without the font qpe segfaults |
| 21:37.13 | ram__ | yeah |
| 21:37.23 | ram__ | coz i wanted wifi |
| 21:37.33 | ram__ | gprs doesnt help in anywayz :) |
| 21:38.56 | wurp2 | ram__: But *where* did you buy a gta02? |
| 21:39.29 | ram__ | we called them up! |
| 21:39.43 | wurp2 | Called OM? |
| 21:39.47 | ram__ | yeah |
| 21:39.51 | wurp2 | ! |
| 21:40.06 | wurp2 | And steve keeps saying on the list how we shouldn't call him harassing him about it |
| 21:40.43 | ram__ | thats coz iam not an individual buyer |
| 21:40.49 | wurp2 | ah |
| 21:40.50 | ram__ | we buy for the skool |
| 21:40.57 | wurp2 | excellent |
| 21:41.00 | wurp2 | How many did you get? |
| 21:41.25 | wurp2 | (I don't actually want one right now, but it's still very interesting to hear how people are getting their hands on them) |
| 21:41.30 | ram__ | we got a few...cant talk say much abt it! |
| 21:41.35 | wurp2 | heh |
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| 21:43.26 | XorA|gone | plays qtopia minehunt on gta01 ASU image |
| 21:43.42 | mwester | :) cool! |
| 21:43.48 | mmontour | imagines steve selling Freerunners from the trunk of his car in a shopping-mall parking lot :) |
| 21:43.54 | wurp2 | XorA|gone: is there muxing for Qtopia on the ASU image? |
| 21:45.15 | XorA|gone | wurp2: no idea what else works, thats for the community to have fun with |
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| 21:48.25 | wurp2 | XorA|gone: You mean what else besides Qtopia minehunt? ;-) |
| 21:48.50 | XorA|gone | wurp2: yes, my work is done, the games work :-) |
| 21:50.13 | mmontour | XorA|gone: you're working on org.openmoko.dev, not org.openmoko.asu.dev? I have been unable to build qtopia-phone-x11 for GTA01 on o.o.asu.dev or o.o.asu.stable |
| 21:50.47 | XorA|gone | mmontour: there is no support the gta01 on the ASU branch, ASU official target is freerunner |
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| 21:52.15 | mmontour | Will the org.openmoko.dev branch be kept up-to-date with changes that are done on the ASU branch? One of the messages on a mailing list suggested that active development would be on the ASU branch, and only merged into .dev when ASU was released. |
| 21:52.32 | XorA|gone | mmontour: I did a merge today on my own time |
| 21:53.25 | wurp2 | XorA|gone: thank you :-) |
| 21:53.52 | XorA|gone | gfx rendering in E is buggered on my image, hopefully thats a local fsckup |
| 21:56.25 | wurp2 | have a good weekend, everyone |
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| 22:28.28 | jadams | there's a flash demo of the new interface...does anyone know where? |
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| 22:29.41 | kiba | I want a Freeruner |
| 22:29.51 | kiba | s/Freeruner/Freerunner |
| 22:29.59 | kiba | but I am just a 17 year old |
| 22:30.01 | kiba | :( |
| 22:30.02 | doc|work | don't we all :/ |
| 22:30.10 | doc|work | there's no legal age limit :) |
| 22:30.24 | kiba | but I don't have any money :( |
| 22:30.45 | doc|work | back when I was your age (all of 9 years ago) we got jobs to buy things :) |
| 22:31.40 | linuxxr | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U05kZfURPig&feature=related |
| 22:31.45 | kiba | all the adult geeks get to play and learn with their new fanged toy |
| 22:32.00 | doc|work | oh, and the obligatory: we had no shoes and had to walk up hill to school both ways, and we were happy about it too! |
| 22:32.31 | mwester | You forgot about the snow. It was always snowing when we were walking to and from school. |
| 22:32.44 | linuxxr | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xReBKNxPy6Y&feature=related |
| 22:33.18 | kiba | like any 17 years old programmer |
| 22:33.27 | kiba | I wanna write games for openmoko |
| 22:33.37 | kiba | s/programmer/programmers |
| 22:34.06 | kiba | would be cool if we have geolocation gaming or something |
| 22:34.11 | doc|work | mwester: I lived in Ireland, snow was very very rare |
| 22:34.17 | doc|work | even back then before cars |
| 22:34.39 | mwester | We wrote COBOL business applications, not games. In the snow. While walking to school. Uphill. Both ways. |
| 22:34.50 | Qwell | with no feet |
| 22:34.54 | doc|work | hahaha |
| 22:35.51 | kiba | oh well |
| 22:36.33 | jadams | linuxxr: not videos, there was a flash interactive asu mockup |
| 22:36.33 | doc|work | kiba: look at it this way, when you get to our age you'll have something the power of a desktop in your phone (that's how it's working out for me). Imagine that, crysis on your phone! |
| 22:36.34 | mwester | kiba: there's a simulator. |
| 22:36.37 | jadams | installer was there, etc. |
| 22:36.39 | mwester | Qemu |
| 22:37.08 | doc|work | had a 400mhz pentium II when he was 17 |
| 22:37.21 | mwester | Runs rather too slowly for game development I suspect, but it might be adequate for parts of it... |
| 22:37.43 | doc|work | great machine it was too, even with windows 98 because redhat 5 wouldn't support the mouse I had |
| 22:37.44 | kiba | mwester: you don't try to code a FPS on that thing |
| 22:37.50 | kiba | I think RPG would be perfectly alright |
| 22:38.03 | kiba | as long it is turn based |
| 22:38.05 | doc|work | you could probably get civ running on it |
| 22:38.19 | doc|work | and dopewars (addictive, even if it is about selling drugs) |
| 22:38.22 | mwester | remembers when dirt was newly invented. He worked on a COSMAC ELF (1802-based) with 8 toggle switches and leds when he was 17 ;) |
| 22:38.37 | doc|work | mwester: hah |
| 22:38.41 | doc|work | also, you old fart |
| 22:38.45 | doc|work | runs! |
| 22:38.57 | ljp | mwester is so old, he farts dust |
| 22:39.03 | mwester | I are a old fart. I have kids that are older than some folks on this channel. |
| 22:39.09 | kiba | everything in the past pale in comparision to modern day computers |
| 22:39.16 | doc|work | mwester: heh |
| 22:39.33 | mwester | kiba: but we still haven't matched the human brain in many areas. |
| 22:39.36 | doc|work | kiba: of course, otherwise we're doing something very very wrong. What do you think we are? politicians? |
| 22:39.41 | kiba | I still have that functional 8 years old computer...ridicilously slow and ridiclious low on hard drive |
| 22:40.02 | kiba | make me wonders how we managed to get a use of it |
| 22:40.04 | doc|work | kiba: sure, but then it ran like a dream. Remember, software had much less functionality/bloat |
| 22:40.13 | doc|work | no vista back in them days |
| 22:40.51 | doc|work | I used to play age of empires II on that 400mhz gateway, with its 8mb graphics card, and it wasn't even slightly slow |
| 22:40.53 | mwester | minimalism is good, in a lot of cases. I think a lot of apps are guilty of "GUI-first" coding. "Let's write something really cool-looking, and then see if it does anythign useful!" |
| 22:41.01 | doc|work | mwester: yeah |
| 22:41.24 | kiba | I don't care much for performances until it become a problem |
| 22:41.50 | kiba | mine is a low-end computer |
| 22:41.53 | mwester | Openmoko (the software) is kind of a study in extremes though -- it runs on a tiny little device, but needs a whopping big system to build it. |
| 22:41.55 | doc|work | kiba: sure, but 10 apps all running, each developed by someone who doesn't care much for performance leads to .... firefox.... |
| 22:41.58 | doc|work | smacks |
| 22:42.19 | mwester | yeah, firefox was nice while it lasted. Now IE starts up faster. |
| 22:42.35 | doc|work | well, ff3 is supposed to be nicer, although I think I'll be sticking with epiphany |
| 22:42.45 | doc|work | especially given its getting a webkit backend |
| 22:42.50 | doc|work | mmmm |
| 22:43.12 | ljp | mwester: i am old enough to have a daught move to netherlands and get married |
| 22:43.22 | ljp | daughter, that is |
| 22:43.54 | mwester | ;) Next step is grandkids! |
| 22:44.41 | ljp | hmmmm |
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| 22:52.32 | linuxxr | thats why slackwarem is so great |
| 22:53.28 | doc|work | erm, what? :) |
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