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| 00:10.48 | SpeedEvil | XorA|gone: :) |
| 00:10.55 | SpeedEvil | XorA|gone: at least some things are better. |
| 00:11.29 | XorA|gone | SpeedEvil: do you ever kick about edin? |
| 00:11.37 | SpeedEvil | Rarely. |
| 00:11.55 | SpeedEvil | Though I went to broxburn a couple of weeks ago to pick up some tiles for lawn-edging. |
| 00:13.01 | XorA|gone | ah, broxburn I can see from my window |
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| 00:24.36 | mmontour | ALSA question - is there any easy way to change the order in which the various controls appear in 'alsamixer' (or in any other mixer program that will work on the Neo), or to get rid of controls that I do not care about? |
| 00:28.14 | XorA|gone | mmontour: no |
| 00:28.39 | XorA|gone | mmontour: there is vague planning work to add that though |
| 00:29.16 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall you can do that with an alsa intermediate device |
| 00:32.12 | mmontour | Thanks - I'll search a bit more, then try to hack up something myself. |
| 00:33.20 | mmontour | Another thing I want is scales calibrated in dB rather than 0-100%, but I expect that will be another do-it-myself item |
| 00:33.34 | SpeedEvil | That's _HIDEOUSLY_ complex |
| 00:33.54 | SpeedEvil | As you've got to work out the routing and the various gains - you have to understand the chip. |
| 00:36.00 | mmontour | I'm only planning to do it as the gain for each control, not adding it up along the whole path. |
| 00:36.38 | mmontour | That should only need a lookup table with the appropriate values from the datasheet. |
| 00:36.52 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right |
| 00:37.00 | SpeedEvil | yeah - true |
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| 00:38.53 | XorA|gone | mmontour: alsa has support for db mixers |
| 00:39.11 | XorA|gone | mmontour: some of the other drivers like wm8991 have them, because I did that one |
| 00:39.28 | XorA|gone | mmontour: ASoC would accept a patch for wm8753 |
| 00:39.59 | mmontour | OK, I'll look at that. |
| 00:40.58 | XorA|gone | mmontour: #alsa-soc for general asoc questions |
| 00:42.28 | mmontour | begins to lurk on #alsa-soc |
| 00:57.16 | Psi | do ya have to nand erase kernel before flashing a new kernel? or is it just rootfs? |
| 00:57.25 | SpeedEvil | rootfs |
| 00:57.30 | SpeedEvil | the problem is a bug in JFFS |
| 00:57.52 | SpeedEvil | It has no recorded size at the beginning too |
| 00:58.04 | SpeedEvil | so if you don'\t overwrite the end, problems can result |
| 01:00.34 | Psi | tries older kernel in his efforts to get sdcard working again |
| 01:03.58 | Psi | yay, that kernel worked |
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| 03:43.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1430 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com |
| 03:43.02 | cdbot2 | * * diversity-nav has been already installed but packagekit will report that available |
| 03:43.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1430 |
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| 04:25.13 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 05:02.01 | orzo | hello |
| 05:02.14 | orzo | i quit using my openmoko some time back |
| 05:02.51 | orzo | have there been significant advances regarding its battery life? |
| 05:02.55 | SpeedEvil | Not yet |
| 05:02.58 | SpeedEvil | On the horizon |
| 05:04.14 | orzo | i find it's short life intolerable |
| 05:04.23 | orzo | even for the hobiest stuff i wanted to do |
| 05:04.37 | SpeedEvil | Suspend now mostly works |
| 05:04.44 | SpeedEvil | for most people. |
| 05:05.20 | orzo | thats good |
| 05:06.33 | Outlander | orzo: what did you switch to? |
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| 05:06.50 | orzo | my old phone |
| 05:06.56 | Outlander | ah ok |
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| 05:07.01 | orzo | and i just dont code |
| 05:07.31 | orzo | i wrote an mp3 player ap for openmoko soem time ago |
| 05:07.40 | orzo | which probably doesnt build against current |
| 05:09.10 | daMaestro | gah, stupid iphone 3G |
| 05:09.16 | orzo | i dont know about other people, but i'd prefer they focused on core stuff like battery and teh bluetooth and gps support and never minded gui stuff |
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| 05:09.36 | orzo | most of us can write gui |
| 05:09.50 | daMaestro | orzo, battery life++ # important, very |
| 05:10.24 | orzo | the interface will write itself as far as the company should be concerned |
| 05:10.43 | orzo | in other words, there'll be plenty of volunteer interface writers |
| 05:10.59 | orzo | but only those insiders can really do the low level stuff |
| 05:11.01 | daMaestro | hopes all the apple fanboys run out to spend XYZ extra dollars on the 3G iphone, extend their contracts and find out that the networks can't even run that fast |
| 05:12.20 | daMaestro | also hopes that the sales from the freerunner are great enough to convince fic to fund building an open 3-4g phone |
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| 05:13.00 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, do you know if the asu will run on the gta01? |
| 05:13.58 | ljp | yes, there is an image for it |
| 05:14.11 | daMaestro | link? |
| 05:14.11 | mwester | It will -- eventually it will even run nicely. Although it will probably take the community to spearhead the effort to make it run nicely. |
| 05:16.23 | rwhitby | can't get his gta02 to boot today :-( |
| 05:16.44 | daMaestro | http://downloads.openmoko.org/asu/ are for the gta01 only |
| 05:16.44 | mwester | daMaestro: I'm pretty sure that the URL was posted here earlier; check the backlog |
| 05:17.06 | daMaestro | (and yes, i know i can convert the rootfs image) |
| 05:17.19 | mwester | rwhitby: you broke *another* one? ;-) |
| 05:17.24 | daMaestro | never got those to work.....but i also loaded the wrong kernel |
| 05:17.40 | orzo | i'm not getting a gta02 |
| 05:17.49 | orzo | and probably not a freerunner |
| 05:17.55 | mwester | Waiting for the 03 then? |
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| 05:18.26 | daMaestro | i am, just to fund the development |
| 05:18.31 | rwhitby | orzo: gta02 === freerunner |
| 05:18.39 | orzo | i figured |
| 05:19.06 | orzo | but im not gona buy anything else until my gta01 becomes usable by my standards |
| 05:19.34 | mwester | It's getting closer. |
| 05:19.41 | rwhitby | thx to mwester |
| 05:19.50 | mwester | only did a little of the work |
| 05:20.00 | orzo | what work did you do, mwester? |
| 05:20.20 | mwester | I've been hacking on suspend/resume issues. |
| 05:20.35 | orzo | did you do anything with respect to suspend mode or battery life? |
| 05:20.35 | rwhitby | mwester is the kernel guru, in some areas better than the openmoko staff |
| 05:20.39 | daMaestro | http://downloads.openmoko.org/asu/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080520-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary why is that .summary? |
| 05:21.21 | mwester | daMaestro: jffs2 has an optional feature of that name; it's supposed to make it faster. |
| 05:21.23 | orzo | well, then, thanks much for your efforts |
| 05:22.38 | mwester | np. I'm driven by enlightened self-interest, as I too must demonstrate a working GTA01 to justify my "hobby" expenditures :-) |
| 05:23.57 | daMaestro | and is there a "recommended" kernel for use with that rootfs image and the gta01v4? |
| 05:24.18 | rwhitby | tries to work out how to get bluetooth dund running on openmoko, such that a Treo650 can connect to it ... |
| 05:24.41 | rwhitby | bloody bluez people changed everything from v2 to v3, and nothing works any more. |
| 05:25.41 | mwester | bedboi: try http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080524-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 05:25.49 | mwester | ^^^ from the backlog for the channel |
| 05:26.58 | daMaestro | hot. |
| 05:27.20 | mwester | daMaestro: any recent kernel should work, except for suspend/resume (that isn't working quite so well on the ASU image just yet). |
| 05:28.07 | daMaestro | uImage-2.6.24+git20080507-r0-om-gta01.bin is what i was going to try |
| 05:28.08 | orzo | i have an asus wlhdd that i want to make into a debian wifi router |
| 05:28.11 | mwester | But the kernel at http://moko.mwester.net/ might be marginally better wrt suspend/resume than the stock kernel. |
| 05:31.12 | daMaestro | mwester, testing http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080524-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 with http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.24+git20080507-r0-om-gta01.bin now |
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| 05:37.11 | orzo_ | mwester: ever look at kexec for hot swapping the running kernel? Is that solution portable to openmoko? |
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| 05:39.23 | tomahasamoot | will amarok run on openmoko? |
| 05:42.09 | orzo_ | hm |
| 05:44.12 | orzo_ | mwebster, do you have a day job? |
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| 05:46.59 | Zero_Dogg | tomahasamoot: theoretically it's possible, but probably not as amarok depends on a huge load of various KDE libraries. exaile would probably be easier, but still quite a bit of work |
| 05:47.50 | tomahasamoot | is there a running media player at the moment? |
| 05:48.18 | daMaestro | tomahasamoot, yes |
| 05:49.49 | mwester | orzo: kexec support should be in the kernel, and the user-space kexec utilities should be installable using opkg. |
| 05:49.52 | daMaestro | hmm it seems all the textures are not correct with that rootfs mwester |
| 05:50.10 | orzo_ | oh cool |
| 05:50.22 | orzo_ | i didnt know it was available on teh arm platform at all |
| 05:50.23 | mwester | daMaestro: Yeah, that seems to make it bit difficult to use. |
| 05:51.11 | mwester | orzo_: it's actually very useful on ARM; it lets one use a minimal but functional kernel in the flash that can kexec a kernel from storage (such as the SD card) when your bootloader can't do it. |
| 05:51.35 | orzo_ | i want to use it on mips |
| 05:51.42 | mwester | On the GTA02, there's wireless -- so one could boot from internal flash, then kexec a kernel from the wireless network -- great for development |
| 05:51.44 | tomahasamoot | what media player is running |
| 05:52.17 | orzo_ | do you have a gta02? |
| 05:52.25 | mwester | Yes. |
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| 05:52.48 | orzo_ | did you pay for all your openmoko phones? |
| 05:53.08 | mwester | In one form or another ;) |
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| 05:55.19 | daMaestro | lol enlightenment crashed on me |
| 05:55.21 | orzo_ | does gta02 have a better battery life? |
| 05:56.00 | mwester | daMaestro: there have been many commits to the asu branch in the past day or so, I hope that the quality gets better quickly. I went back to the gtk-based rootfs as it was working better for me. |
| 05:56.29 | daMaestro | mwester, the new interface is slick |
| 05:56.30 | daMaestro | perid |
| 05:56.33 | daMaestro | period. |
| 05:56.40 | mwester | orzo_: I can't say; it should be, but there are more cool things to consume battery power on the 02. |
| 05:57.12 | mwester | I love the boot screen... :D |
| 05:57.17 | daMaestro | it's just more polished; i enjoy it as i've not had time to write applications (nor has the platform been stable enough for me to want to, yet) |
| 05:57.33 | daMaestro | hopes the python stack is decent |
| 05:57.43 | daMaestro | i've been pretty much only coding in python as of late |
| 05:58.02 | raster | daMaestro: how did u get it to crash? |
| 05:58.04 | mwester | It's the same core OS and libraries, so it's the same python as we've had all along. |
| 05:58.16 | mwester | raster: are those your boots? |
| 05:58.20 | raster | no |
| 05:58.23 | raster | nothign to do with me |
| 05:58.24 | daMaestro | raster, as best as i could tell... i tried to adjust the brightness? |
| 05:58.45 | daMaestro | raster, i touched the ying/yang looking sun |
| 05:58.46 | raster | daMaestro: eh? there is no brightness control |
| 05:59.05 | daMaestro | attempts to reproduce |
| 05:59.16 | raster | where is the brightness control |
| 05:59.20 | raster | and what ying-yang? |
| 05:59.20 | daMaestro | yup.. managed the same thing |
| 05:59.21 | raster | :) |
| 05:59.28 | daMaestro | i dunno what it is |
| 05:59.49 | mwester | Qtopia thing? |
| 05:59.50 | daMaestro | the top drop down menu (which is sexy, btw) |
| 06:00.03 | daMaestro | i have two icons on the right, one for usb and one for something else |
| 06:00.11 | raster | ooh |
| 06:00.13 | raster | little e icon |
| 06:00.26 | daMaestro | yeah, maybe that is what it is |
| 06:00.33 | raster | that shoulds have brought up ew's main menu |
| 06:00.35 | raster | thats goign to go |
| 06:00.40 | raster | when i have finished fiddling |
| 06:00.48 | raster | its basically a debug gadget |
| 06:00.50 | daMaestro | the entire screen is black and white; no backgrounds, etc |
| 06:01.03 | daMaestro | no icons |
| 06:02.00 | daMaestro | are there supposed to be icons? |
| 06:02.01 | daMaestro | ;-) |
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| 06:02.41 | mwester | ;) it's like that rock-band's ship in the Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy -- they are lit up black, on a black background. |
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| 06:02.46 | orzo_ | what's asu stand for |
| 06:02.56 | mwester | April Software Update |
| 06:04.05 | orzo_ | you mentioned a gtk root system, is it nto going to use gtk for the gui in future versions? |
| 06:04.11 | raster | daMaestro: there are in latest builds |
| 06:04.25 | daMaestro | raster, are there rootfs builds for the gta01? |
| 06:04.29 | raster | orzo_: gtk is included, but no gtk apps |
| 06:04.38 | raster | daMaestro: i think XorA has done some |
| 06:04.45 | raster | but i dont even know where my gta01 is.. |
| 06:04.48 | raster | so dont look at me |
| 06:04.55 | daMaestro | orzo_, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-May/017504.html |
| 06:04.59 | mwester | orzo_: I should have said "gtk-only" -- the ASU builds will support both gtk and qtopia (and enlightenment?) |
| 06:05.49 | daMaestro | XorA|gone, i'll catch up with you tomorrow re:gta01v4 asu builds |
| 06:05.57 | mwester | raster: are there python bindings for enlightenment? |
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| 06:06.05 | daMaestro | unless the build system/make files have improved? |
| 06:06.22 | daMaestro | if that is the case, i can just fire up a build bot and start building my own images (again) |
| 06:06.27 | raster | mwester: python bindings for efl. |
| 06:06.38 | mwester | daMaestro: monotone has been replaced by git -- that's a huge speedup! |
| 06:06.45 | daMaestro | holy fsking moly |
| 06:06.55 | daMaestro | i owe whoever did that a beer! |
| 06:07.01 | daMaestro | git++ |
| 06:07.17 | daMaestro | might actually start developing with the platform again |
| 06:07.41 | daMaestro | back when the gta01v4 shipped.. i really just didn't like the dev env + tools |
| 06:08.03 | daMaestro | Zzzzzz |
| 06:11.03 | orzo_ | sleep |
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| 09:23.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1431 has been created by danielmewes(AT)onlinehome.de |
| 09:23.02 | cdbot2 | * * ASU on GTA01: every QT application segfaults |
| 09:23.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1431 |
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| 09:35.46 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r067911a60260 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] update diversity-nav to 391 |
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| 09:39.26 | tomahasamoot | Are there other handsets in the works, or is the Neo Freerunner the only one? |
| 09:39.51 | mjr | gta03, a slightly improved version is apparently in the makes |
| 09:40.01 | mjr | gta04 has been talked about |
| 09:40.12 | mjr | but reportedly put in the back burner for 03 :/ |
| 09:41.41 | zash | what about gta9k+ |
| 09:42.05 | buz | will gta03 have a cam? or why else are they discussion cam drivers |
| 09:42.05 | methril | it's not in mind zash ;) |
| 09:42.43 | buz | i suppose 03 would be the one without glamo |
| 09:42.43 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r767c5e370967 10/packages/openmoko-projects/diversity-nav_svn.bb: [diversity] Change Tag of diversity-nav |
| 09:42.52 | buz | and maybe a saner casing |
| 09:43.04 | mjr | from raster's lines, apparently there will be a cam, an edge-capable gsm chip, no gpu |
| 09:43.24 | buz | so if theres a cam they need to do a new case and just maybe come up with something closer to sanity |
| 09:43.28 | buz | iow without frigging holes |
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| 09:43.46 | tomahasamoot | How does Android compair to OpenMoko? |
| 09:43.51 | mjr | yes, it's a new case |
| 09:44.04 | mjr | tomahasamoot, android is a vm platform that happens to run linux at the bottom |
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| 09:44.32 | mjr | the vm should be portable to om for app compatibility if they get around to actually freeing it, methinks |
| 09:45.03 | buz | maybe, their JIT compiles to a higher level of ARM |
| 09:45.07 | buz | (forgot which one) |
| 09:45.18 | tomahasamoot | I see, so OpenMoko seems better... the apps can be written in Python? |
| 09:45.28 | buz | pretty much any language really |
| 09:45.38 | buz | the underground crowd uses a lot of python |
| 09:45.42 | zash | LATIN! |
| 09:45.55 | tomahasamoot | what's LATIN? |
| 09:45.58 | buz | klingon if you like and find a compiler for it |
| 09:46.09 | zash | tomahasamoot: language of the roman empire |
| 09:46.10 | tomahasamoot | LOL |
| 09:46.27 | tomahasamoot | I thot that was Latin. |
| 09:46.56 | methril | yes it was |
| 09:47.10 | zash | capslock :D |
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| 09:48.13 | buz | so maybe just maybe we could get a transreflective screen while they are redesigning the case?? |
| 09:48.45 | tomahasamoot | How about a camra? |
| 09:49.07 | mjr | buz, yes, the jit probably would need some work, but one shouldn't think it to be unbearable |
| 09:49.09 | buz | it will get a camera from what i gather |
| 09:49.13 | BDo | Well, I doubt it is worth aiming at a $2,000 hardware :-) |
| 09:49.31 | zash | steal the screentech from the XO |
| 09:49.37 | buz | otoh, there are people who are running android on neo arent there |
| 09:49.51 | buz | somehow they must have managed to work around the JIT issue |
| 09:50.31 | tomahasamoot | What kind of camra? |
| 09:50.37 | mjr | tomahasamoot, yeah I like OM for python support as well :) |
| 09:51.08 | tomahasamoot | Less code = Fewer bugs |
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| 09:51.17 | zash | 2MP or better cam? |
| 09:51.31 | buz | sounded like 2 or 3mp on the list |
| 09:51.44 | BDo | tomahasamoot : no code = only hardware bugs but no feature, actually :-) |
| 09:51.48 | buz | but thats mostly extrapolating from a discussion |
| 09:53.11 | tomahasamoot | BDo: I meant Python, same feature with less code |
| 09:53.58 | BDo | tomahasamoot, I agree on this point, Python is a really good language for easily writing good code. |
| 09:54.28 | mjr | of course as long as you don't actually try to do performance-requiring stuff in python for the neo... |
| 09:54.44 | buz | most performance critical stuff would probably be done in a c lib anyhow |
| 09:54.54 | mjr | *cough*pyroute*cough* |
| 09:55.04 | mjr | well, I'm not sure what it's doing, but boy was it slow |
| 09:55.14 | mjr | buz, indeed |
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| 09:56.30 | buz | mhh graph computing can be pretty cpu intensive |
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| 10:04.25 | mjr | buz, the gui was really unresponsive as well though... |
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| 10:57.53 | Sup3rkiddo | linux tag this week or the next? |
| 10:58.25 | Sup3rkiddo | never mind |
| 10:58.26 | Sup3rkiddo | got it |
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| 11:13.56 | bedboi | ok, ASU boots on gta01 |
| 11:14.07 | bedboi | however i don't think it is working in the proper way |
| 11:16.03 | bedboi | do you have any videos of a working GTA02 phone with ASU? |
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| 11:35.58 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: Updated fso's api to be simpler |
| 11:35.58 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: Removed libsms |
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| 11:35.58 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: Updated testing ui |
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| 14:14.28 | zash | http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/28/mini-bluetooth-keyboard-for-cell-phones/ |
| 14:14.47 | zash | nice i say |
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| 15:35.08 | IfChinsCouldKill | http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3ISHrtuQuGM&hl=de |
| 15:35.25 | IfChinsCouldKill | Is this the ASU as it looks right now?! |
| 15:36.15 | zash | apparently |
| 15:36.16 | kdean06 | IfChinsCouldKill, Yes, though by default there's a grid-based icon layout. |
| 15:36.30 | kdean06 | You can change the option to the slider style app launcher. |
| 15:37.11 | XorA|gone | ~curse ASU |
| 15:37.12 | apt | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ASU ! |
| 15:37.29 | IfChinsCouldKill | Looks pretty good. But I miss the giant clock! |
| 15:38.38 | mwester | thinks the giant clock obscured the display which was a shame because with a suitable background image the display is awesome. |
| 15:39.23 | IfChinsCouldKill | You mean with chicks n stuff ;) |
| 15:39.54 | kdean06 | mwester, Agreed fully. :) |
| 15:40.19 | kdean06 | IfChinsCouldKill, Not so much. The screen is BEAUTIFUL with a huge range of colors. I have a purple fire background that looks amazing in meatspace. |
| 15:40.36 | wurp2 | kdean06: I was gonna ask if I could get a link to your background |
| 15:40.57 | kdean06 | I'm not sure I have it, I can look. I swiped it off some other site. :P |
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| 15:41.30 | IfChinsCouldKill | I wonder if you're still able to use ASU without a stylus. |
| 15:41.35 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 15:44.08 | XorA|gone | nope |
| 15:44.21 | XorA|gone | not unless you have tiny fingers |
| 15:45.16 | IfChinsCouldKill | They should sell the neo with a pencil sharper. You know. To make it fit your finger or the other way round. |
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| 15:46.56 | mwester | A reasonable compromise is to trim a fingernail rather than a finger... ;) |
| 15:47.21 | mjr | don't you know we're all fanatics here |
| 15:47.25 | mjr | a finger means nothing to us |
| 15:47.30 | IfChinsCouldKill | lol |
| 15:47.37 | mwester | imagines a new look for touch-screen users -- a fingernail custom-trimmed to stylus shape... |
| 15:48.50 | IfChinsCouldKill | in the middleages you could waer meatal spikes on your finger. gothic style might work as well. |
| 15:48.59 | IfChinsCouldKill | metal even |
| 15:49.26 | XorA|gone | there are enough OM goths that we could start OM goth clothing |
| 15:50.20 | mwester | imagines a neo with a ring of spikes around the outside edge. |
| 15:50.20 | CVirus | no wonder why FIC released the cad files for the phone :-p |
| 15:51.09 | IfChinsCouldKill | http://static.twoday.net/oraclesyndicate/images/morgenstern.jpg |
| 15:51.13 | XorA|gone | you could get a peircer to but subdermal magnet in fingertip and have a magnetic stylus |
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| 15:51.30 | IfChinsCouldKill | Self defense neo case |
| 15:51.59 | wurp2 | Hardware and user interfaces advance way too fast for me to permanently modify my body for any device... |
| 15:52.54 | IfChinsCouldKill | As long as it is open, you can tweak it to fit your body again. |
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| 15:53.30 | wurp2 | are there 8gb sd cards known to work in the '01? |
| 15:54.08 | wurp2 | I have seen people talk about using them a few times, I think, and asked them to update the supported microsd cards wiki page, but it still doesn't show a 'yes' for any 8gb card |
| 15:55.14 | kdean06 | wurp2, IIRC 8GB cards work fine, though I've heard BOOTING from SDHC cards has issues. |
| 15:55.37 | mjr | there is a yes for the sandisk 8 gigger |
| 15:55.53 | mjr | shown as 7xxx megabytes probably due to si conversion stuff |
| 15:55.59 | mjr | and that's what I'm using |
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| 15:58.07 | wurp2 | cool, thanks kdean06 and mjr |
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| 15:58.54 | XorA|gone | guesses having class 6 cards is overkill for the gta02 |
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| 16:01.25 | mjr | their speed wouldn't matter much, yes... |
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| 16:11.11 | XorA|gone | maybe one day I get a working freerunner |
| 16:11.17 | XorA|gone | and I can boot it from SD |
| 16:12.02 | malik1972 | what about the *.summary iamges? |
| 16:12.26 | malik1972 | in the daily repository? |
| 16:13.03 | malik1972 | is it a jffs2 image? |
| 16:13.20 | XorA|gone | malik1972: yes |
| 16:13.32 | XorA|gone | malik1972: they boot much faster |
| 16:14.37 | malik1972 | XorA|gone: ahh, okay. i tried the qtopia gta01 images ... |
| 16:15.07 | XorA|gone | there isnt enough room for a .summary image on gta01 |
| 16:15.52 | SpeedEvil | wonders if you can upgrade the 64M in GTA01 |
| 16:15.53 | abraxa__ | XorA|gone: What's different for the .summary images? |
| 16:16.07 | malik1972 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.29 | XorA|gone | malik1972: I know, no idea why |
| 16:16.38 | malik1972 | SpeedEvil: mickey says no chance, in emulator no problem:-) |
| 16:16.40 | XorA|gone | abraxa__: some data structure that makes jffs2 quicker |
| 16:16.49 | abraxa__ | XorA|gone: Great, thanks |
| 16:17.20 | SpeedEvil | malik1972: I have a BGA rework station. In theory I think it's possible. |
| 16:17.26 | SpeedEvil | (but silly) |
| 16:18.09 | malik1972 | XorA|gone: i will try booting it from sd, the behaviour is sometimes different |
| 16:18.33 | XorA|gone | malik1972: no, I think its a bug |
| 16:18.40 | XorA|gone | malik1972: it doesnt happen on ASU branch |
| 16:18.49 | XorA|gone | malik1972: also qpe on gta01 is buggered |
| 16:20.50 | malik1972 | XorA|gone: what about gta02fake emulation, does this change anything or is this feature not usable? |
| 16:21.11 | XorA|gone | no idea what you are talking about |
| 16:21.38 | malik1972 | XorA|gone: okay, balrog-kun was the emulator specialist, i forgot |
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| 16:40.01 | balrog-kun | malik1972: it depends on what the bug is |
| 16:40.20 | balrog-kun | i can't imagine what difference between gta01 and gta02 may be causing qpe segfault |
| 16:40.55 | balrog-kun | gta02fake is somewhere between 01 and 02 |
| 16:41.27 | XorA|gone | is guessing some modem response is different |
| 16:41.47 | XorA|gone | big difference in firmware for gsm between the two |
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| 16:42.10 | XorA|gone | or could just be an arse buggered library on buildhost |
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| 16:42.33 | XorA|gone | or its picking up lib* and not the special qtopia hacked version of lib* |
| 16:43.30 | Sup3rkiddo | is OM doing anything interesting at LinuxTag apart from the booths? |
| 16:43.47 | XorA|gone | dunno ask the Om people there |
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| 16:45.23 | Sup3rkiddo | XorA|gone, bleh |
| 16:45.47 | XorA|gone | Sup3rkiddo: I think lack of gta02 scuppered anything really cool |
| 16:46.18 | Sup3rkiddo | oh,,,:/ |
| 16:46.38 | XorA|gone | but maybe they have some I dont know about |
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| 17:06.54 | CM | ?3 |
| 17:07.52 | wurp2 | r! |
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| 17:15.23 | cbrake | what filesystem is is the freerunner using for its NAND flash? |
| 17:18.51 | zash | jffs2 or something |
| 17:19.11 | SpeedEvil | j44s3 ind33d |
| 17:19.13 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 17:20.36 | SpeedEvil | Gift box for freerunner. http://store.theonion.com/gift-box-visorganizer-p-145.html |
| 17:29.36 | spydon | SpeedEvil, cool, not! |
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| 17:51.16 | CM | wurp2: :-P |
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| 17:51.34 | CM | Was using midpssh on my phone and it didn't work so well |
| 17:53.17 | wurp2 | That's alright; I was trying to type '4!' and I fat-fingered it |
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| 17:56.35 | CM | Hehe |
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| 18:34.29 | tushyd | does anyone know if there'll be any easy way to transfer contacts? can the freerunner import .csv? |
| 18:34.43 | tushyd | or vcard formats |
| 18:38.44 | wurp2 | tushyd: The existing OM contact app will accept vcards over dbus |
| 18:39.13 | wurp2 | I have a python script that converts sim card contacts into vcards, then imports the vcards into OM contact app |
| 18:39.40 | wurp2 | I dunno about the Qt contact app. I assume it's sqlite, and I bet there's an easy way to import csv or vcard, but I dunno. |
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| 18:40.29 | tushyd | cool, thanks wurp2 |
| 18:40.43 | wurp2 | yw |
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| 19:05.34 | roh | just butchered around to update the wiki skin.. please report when you see weird renderings which were not there before |
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| 19:18.44 | tomboy64 | looks nice |
| 19:18.50 | tomboy64 | hands roh a bigger knife :) |
| 19:21.15 | roh | well.. i used a scalpel |
| 19:21.25 | roh | meld, diff, patch, svn |
| 19:21.29 | roh | and vim |
| 19:24.14 | kdean06 | Suspend seems a bit too... Willing to suspend. :S |
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| 19:41.24 | ruskie | http://www.linux.com/feed/136517 <-- hmm |
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| 20:07.59 | mmontour | We're not the only ones having trouble getting our "ASU" to work - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/28/iss_asu_failure/ |
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| 20:15.22 | eth01 | irrelevant |
| 20:16.36 | tomboy64 | :-D |
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| 20:40.13 | wurp2 | Is anyone running Underground? |
| 20:40.36 | emdete | me, all the time ;) |
| 20:41.30 | abraxa_ | Running underground? It's dark there, isn't it... I don't wanna run there :( |
| 20:42.22 | emdete | no need for light, neo has gps |
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| 20:44.25 | emdete | wurp2: why do you ask? |
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| 20:50.41 | CM | emdete: can it be built by the makefile? |
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| 20:51.03 | CM | Oh, and does anyone else get ERROR: Unable to open conf/bitbake.conf |
| 20:59.46 | emdete | CM: there should be a .bb for it, so: yes, should be possible. mickey_away did it |
| 20:59.54 | CM | ok |
| 21:00.10 | CM | I'll give it a try later :) |
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| 21:03.36 | theocrite | hi |
| 21:11.17 | wurp2 | emdete: I'm trying to find out what functionality is in it right now |
| 21:11.29 | wurp2 | Sorry for the very slow response :-) |
| 21:12.19 | wurp2 | I would like to switch to Underground, but I would like to keep some semblance of: gsm, gprs, sms, linux terminal, gps + mapping software, media player |
| 21:12.35 | wurp2 | although I might just write a media player if there isn't one; I've been wanting to do that anyway |
| 21:13.33 | wurp2 | I don't mind at all installing the OM versions of various tools if they'll run under Underground |
| 21:13.48 | kdean06 | Why not just install them under the ASU then? |
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| 21:14.06 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r8ff45fdc3e48 10/ophoned/gsm/ (channel.py const.py mediator.py): |
| 21:14.06 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: python-ophoned: cancelling a command now works, cancelling outgoing calls work, add yield-magic stub for flow-control |
| 21:14.06 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: stuff |
| 21:14.38 | wurp2 | Because I'd like to play with customizing my neo, and use the new dbus stuff to do it |
| 21:14.52 | wurp2 | and customizing a python based stack is going to be much easier |
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| 21:15.02 | wurp2 | Does ASU somehow include Underground? |
| 21:15.27 | kdean06 | Yeah.. I just did it... openmoko-dialer2 dies in ASU. :P |
| 21:15.34 | wurp2 | And I thought ASU doesn't have full (or even a healthy partial) functionality |
| 21:15.36 | kdean06 | They're mutually exlusive. |
| 21:15.56 | wurp2 | OK, I just wasn't sure if Underground was pulled in in the same way Qtopia was |
| 21:16.32 | kdean06 | Underground is the stack emdete is working on, it's not a specific app, it describes the build set. |
| 21:16.51 | kdean06 | ASU is the fledgling Qtopia + Goodies stack. Not many goodies yet. :) |
| 21:16.51 | wurp2 | Isn't the same really true of Qtopia? |
| 21:17.32 | kdean06 | Yeah, I suppose technically it is. :) |
| 21:18.55 | kdean06 | I'm wondering if the Qtopia apps will be packaged themselves or if "Qtopia" is it. |
| 21:19.14 | kdean06 | I REALLY need to make an ASU video. Assassin is pretty neat. :) |
| 21:20.27 | kdean06 | But I'm a bit... Curious as to how that will work. In the Flash demo there's a "Books" category so I'm assuming that it'll be more than just applications in there. Themes and books and such. So I'm wondering where the build documentation is, something like the Debian New Maintainer's Guide or the FreeBSD Port Handbook. |
| 21:21.41 | theocrite | Does anyone has a clue about when i'll be able to buy a neo ? When i try "buy now", it says that it's sold out, but there is no information about how many time we'll have to wait :/ |
| 21:22.22 | nezza-_-|zZzZ | theocrite: Topic for #openmoko: No, Freerunner is not out yet. Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates . | ASU means April Software Update and is coming soon |
| 21:22.28 | kdean06 | theocrite, The Neo 1973 is sold out and the Neo Freerunner is not yet on sale. There's no release date set though mass production has begun. |
| 21:22.31 | wurp2 | theocrite: They are sold out of the GTA01; you can probably find one on ebay |
| 21:22.33 | nezza-_-|zZzZ | theocrite: very soon (TM) |
| 21:22.44 | nezza-_-|zZzZ | n8 |
| 21:23.11 | theocrite | blinks |
| 21:23.18 | theocrite | Thanks for all the responses :) |
| 21:23.22 | wurp2 | nezza-_-|zZzZ: Only now very soon means they actually have the device ready. It's frustrating that before they would let "very soon" be the perception when a little thought should have indicated at least a 6 week delay after all the hw is known good |
| 21:23.29 | theocrite | is too impatient :/ |
| 21:23.45 | wurp2 | kdean06: Is there a link for Assassin? |
| 21:23.55 | kdean06 | Link? Too...? |
| 21:23.57 | wurp2 | I vaguely recall seeing the name, but have no idea what it is |
| 21:24.34 | kdean06 | There's this, which tells you nothing. :) http://assassin.projects.openmoko.org/ |
| 21:25.17 | wurp2 | nm, found it on the wiki |
| 21:25.20 | wurp2 | er |
| 21:25.28 | wurp2 | well, found a page with one sentence on the wiki :-) |
| 21:25.35 | wurp2 | Graphical package manager, now I remember |
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| 21:29.59 | bagpuss_thecat | evening all... trying to compile with MokoMakeFile and GTA02 target. Got towards the end then Gnash bailed out with: |
| 21:30.02 | bagpuss_thecat | | ../server/Property.h:262: instantiated from here |
| 21:30.04 | bagpuss_thecat | | /home/kyleg/src/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/boost/utility/addressof.hpp:37: warning: cast from 'char*' to 'gnash::as_accessors*' increases required alignment of target type |
| 21:30.09 | bagpuss_thecat | | make[2]: *** [libgnashbase_la-extension.lo] Error 1 |
| 21:30.17 | bagpuss_thecat | resolvable easily or should I be submitting to the bugtracker? |
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| 21:35.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1432 has been created by ian(AT)darwinsys.com |
| 21:35.02 | cdbot2 | * * Qwerty/Dictionary lookup, word not found, gets scrambled in entry area (ASU!) |
| 21:35.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1432 |
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| 21:36.07 | kdean06 | WTF. :) |
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| 21:53.18 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * raf87782527a0 10/src/zhone: Enable evas caches |
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| 23:44.51 | daMaestro | anyone know where the bleeding edge asu builds are for the gta01v4? |
| 23:48.02 | SpeedEvil | Last I heard it diddn't work. |
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| 23:53.04 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, yeah.. at least all of the images/icons are missing |
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| 23:53.22 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, other then that.. it seems to work; but i only powered it on... without a sim |
| 23:53.24 | mmontour | daMaestro: I tried doing an org.openmoko.asu.dev build earlier today, but it failed on qtopia-phone-x11. The ones on buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/... are probably the best ones you'll find (but I haven't tried them) |
| 23:53.58 | daMaestro | has about an hour left watching rsyncs and rm -rf before he will head home from $dayjob |
| 23:54.02 | daMaestro | might as well test some images |
| 23:54.23 | daMaestro | also, i'll be having to monitor systems all night long.. so i'd like to play with the asu some |
| 23:56.13 | daMaestro | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080524-om-gta01.rootfs.tar.gz might have been the one that i tested |
| 23:56.32 | daMaestro | 1.55M/s ... not bad |
| 23:56.44 | daMaestro | 2.56M/s :-D |
| 23:56.49 | daMaestro | hot |
| 23:57.01 | daMaestro | must be our layer2 link to berlin |
| 23:57.24 | Zwiseli | is the ASU builded with the openmoko-qtopia-x11 task |
