IRC log for #openmoko on 20080522

00:00.04*** part/#openmoko MouseBerry (n=MouseBer@221.221.145.179)
00:11.46*** join/#openmoko gopi (n=gopi@ppp-71-139-48-90.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
00:16.25*** join/#openmoko dougt (n=dougt@c-67-180-89-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
00:27.41*** join/#openmoko greentux_ (n=lemke@Z7dba.z.pppool.de)
00:31.02*** join/#openmoko zeno (n=zeno@c-75-71-224-83.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
00:33.50*** join/#openmoko daMaestro (n=jon@fedora/damaestro)
00:38.06*** join/#openmoko raster (n=raster@124-170-255-224.dyn.iinet.net.au)
00:41.07*** join/#openmoko rtm (n=rtm@pool-151-199-44-39.bos.east.verizon.net)
00:44.25*** join/#openmoko behdad (n=behdad@209.167.232.100)
00:45.06*** join/#openmoko behdad (n=behdad@209.167.232.100)
00:47.45*** join/#openmoko behdad (n=behdad@209.167.232.100)
00:52.59*** join/#openmoko fenfir (n=fenfir@adsl-64-219-109-77.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net)
00:56.55*** join/#openmoko Kero (n=kero@i134011.upc-i.chello.nl)
00:57.32*** join/#openmoko legion (i=legion@freeshell.ORG)
01:11.22*** join/#openmoko dougt (n=dougt@c-67-180-89-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
01:24.37*** join/#openmoko Crfrod (n=Crfrod@88.214.193.26)
01:28.05*** join/#openmoko dcordes (n=dcordes@unaffiliated/dcordes)
01:32.53*** join/#openmoko fgau_ (n=fgau@pD95399DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
01:46.07*** join/#openmoko ScarEye (n=scareye@12.27.87.66)
01:54.58*** join/#openmoko jeremy_chang (n=jeremy_c@firewall.tw.openmoko.org)
01:55.21CIA-43openmoko: 03tick * r4447 10/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/projectdiff.sh: adding a projectdiff script for Testing Team people
01:58.29*** join/#openmoko poffy (n=ayoungbo@c-98-199-135-173.hsd1.tx.comcast.net)
02:02.24*** join/#openmoko dougt (n=dougt@c-67-180-89-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
02:03.48*** join/#openmoko bmk789 (n=bmk789@c-98-223-16-230.hsd1.in.comcast.net)
02:06.42*** join/#openmoko Kero (n=kero@i134011.upc-i.chello.nl)
02:28.12*** join/#openmoko gopi (n=gopi@adsl-69-232-195-12.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net)
02:28.38*** join/#openmoko slomo (n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo)
02:32.27*** join/#openmoko behdad (n=behdad@CPE001217b19226-CM0012c9c84bc4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
02:34.07*** join/#openmoko al_ (n=mmalam@202.179.138.35)
02:34.49al_HI every one, any help regarding "l/linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb"
02:34.53al_i am getting an error
02:35.02al_NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 1381 tasks of which 1374 didn't need to be rerun and 1 failed.
02:35.03al_ERROR: '/tc/moko/openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb' failed
02:35.03al_make: *** [openmoko-devel-image] Error 1
02:35.21al_i cannot find linux-openmoko.... on download.openmoko....
02:35.24al_any help?
02:41.40*** join/#openmoko SirBob1701 (n=mcginley@pool-70-20-236-215.phil.east.verizon.net)
02:47.15*** join/#openmoko charlie137 (n=charlie@firewall.tw.openmoko.org)
02:48.44*** join/#openmoko fenfir (n=fenfir@adsl-64-219-109-77.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net)
02:48.47al_hi every body
02:48.54al_please if you can help regarding
02:49.18al_do_unpack error for /linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb
02:57.07rwhitbyal_: have you changed over to the git repo?  it's fixed there.
02:57.15*** join/#openmoko fenfir (n=fenfir@adsl-64-219-109-77.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net)
02:58.20rasterponders how people can use the git repo when several bits just dont even build
02:58.24al_rwhitby: you mean, to update the mokomakefile and start compilation again?
02:59.00rwhitbyraster: both org.openmoko.dev and org.openmoko.april-update built for me from scratch from the git repo overnight ...
02:59.18rwhitbyXorA|gone did a lot of work yesterday to ensure that is the case.
02:59.35rwhitby(use sane-srcrevs, not moko-autorev, of course)
03:00.14*** join/#openmoko Kero (n=kero@i134011.upc-i.chello.nl)
03:00.17*** join/#openmoko jdav_gone (n=james@d75-157-13-250.bchsia.telus.net)
03:02.26rastergit://git.openmoko.org/git/openmoko.git openmoko no workies for moi
03:02.45rasteri have had to now fix dhcp, had bizarre build break in exquisite - built 2nd try,
03:02.56rasterand imlib2 wont build
03:03.04rastertho thats a spurious dependency i am removing in upstream now
03:06.50al_rwhitby: shall we download the latest mokomakefile
03:06.56al_it is working now?
03:06.56*** join/#openmoko Kero (n=kero@i134011.upc-i.chello.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.56*** join/#openmoko fenfir (n=fenfir@adsl-64-219-109-77.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.56*** join/#openmoko Crfrod (n=Crfrod@88.214.193.26)
03:06.57*** join/#openmoko greentux_ (n=lemke@Z7dba.z.pppool.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.57*** join/#openmoko rd_ (n=dr@vnsecurity.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.57*** join/#openmoko Fradeve (n=fradeve@host219-7-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.57*** join/#openmoko crimzor (n=shit@c83-250-201-115.bredband.comhem.se) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko rep (n=rep@work.etcho.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko ynezz (i=ynezz@ibawizard.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko anders_ (n=andersg@xmms2/developer/anders) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko xkr47 (i=xkr47@a88-112-3-198.elisa-laajakaista.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko Maescool (n=maescool@maescool.be) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko johang (n=johan@84-55-117-55.customers.ownit.se) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko Rakshasa (i=pkorva@apollo.sigmatic.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko shoragan (n=shoragan@debian/developer/shoragan)
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko zash (n=zash@82.182.247.191) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko janneg (n=janne@tichy.grunau.be) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko apollo13 (n=apollo13@unaffiliated/apollo13) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko ath (i=hankalah@myntti.helsinki.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko Zero_Dogg (n=zerodogg@mandriva/developer/Zero-Dogg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko trickie (n=trickie@hgaulton.xs4all.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko nibbler_de (n=nibbler@as250.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko DPThuugh1 (n=tilli@mail.collax.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko xaid (n=xaid@S0106000c6ef3cb4e.ed.shawcable.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko ScaredyCat (n=nnandy@net-pbx.demon.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko Babear (n=mp@cs181036155.pp.htv.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko jannu (n=jannu@hoas-fe20dd00-223.dhcp.inet.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko erik_ (n=erik@gw.sbg.se) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko k-s (n=gustavo@enlightenment/developer/k-s) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko blinx (n=blinx@unixboard/user/blinx) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko stefan_schmidt (n=sschmidt@sicherheitsschwankung.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.58*** join/#openmoko nibbo (i=nibbo@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-38ceef57adfea1fb) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.59*** join/#openmoko mjr (n=mjr@myntti.helsinki.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.59*** join/#openmoko hobitti (n=hobitti@a91-153-178-164.elisa-laajakaista.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.59*** join/#openmoko holymoly (n=biteme@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net)
03:06.59*** join/#openmoko libervisco (n=libervis@tuxhacker/libervisco) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.59*** join/#openmoko TAsn (n=a@89.1.200.189.dynamic.barak-online.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.59*** join/#openmoko fsteinel (n=fsteinel@pD9FBBF71.dip.t-dialin.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.59*** join/#openmoko Dunedan (n=dunedan@phoenitydawn.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.59*** join/#openmoko retracile (n=eli@76-204-213-211.lightspeed.allntx.sbcglobal.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.59*** join/#openmoko aexin (i=eivindsy@unaffiliated/aevin) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.59*** join/#openmoko rtp (n=rtp@sat78-7-88-166-121-96.fbx.proxad.net)
03:06.59*** join/#openmoko tg (i=tg@x-net.hu) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.59*** join/#openmoko shenki (n=joel@202.174.42.5) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.59*** join/#openmoko ferric (n=aditya@38.117.157.113) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:06.59*** join/#openmoko molkko (n=molkko__@a88-115-166-231.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
03:06.59*** join/#openmoko methril|away (n=Methril@127.Red-80-38-102.staticIP.rima-tde.net)
03:07.00*** join/#openmoko NineX (i=ninex@gentoo.netzone.kom.pl)
03:07.00*** join/#openmoko raynet (i=raynet@bb-81-175-198-129.dsl.phnet.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:07.00*** join/#openmoko Jiten (n=blight@a88-115-113-7.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
03:07.00*** join/#openmoko RedDog (n=reddog@mastersword.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:07.00*** join/#openmoko jorgenpt (n=jorgenpt@tjer.no)
03:07.00*** join/#openmoko univac (n=univac@xmms2/user/univac)
03:07.00*** join/#openmoko dennda (n=dennda@ubuntu/member/dennda) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:07.00*** join/#openmoko massoud (n=massoud@85.233.200.18) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:07.00*** join/#openmoko keitsi (i=mikko@korkalo.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:07.00*** join/#openmoko otaku42 (n=otaku42@madwifi/developer/otaku42) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:07.12rwhitbyyes - you didn't see the announcement on the mailing lists?
03:07.12al_i have
03:07.13al_but some people reported problems.
03:07.13rwhitbyyes, those have been fixed.
03:07.13*** join/#openmoko k-s[WORK] (n=gustavo@enlightenment/developer/k-s)
03:07.13al_one thing: do we need to delete all the directory structure built from preivous mokomakefile?
03:07.14al_or only download the update make file.
03:07.25*** join/#openmoko retracile_ (n=eli@76-204-213-211.lightspeed.allntx.sbcglobal.net)
03:07.34*** join/#openmoko jannu_ (n=jannu@hoas-fe20dd00-223.dhcp.inet.fi)
03:09.18*** join/#openmoko SP-8472 (i=8472@dslb-084-056-216-251.pools.arcor-ip.net)
03:09.19*** join/#openmoko Zero_Dogg (n=zerodogg@mandriva/developer/Zero-Dogg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:10.21*** join/#openmoko vallor (i=scott@pdpc/supporter/monthlygold/vallor)
03:11.52*** join/#openmoko theLichKing (n=ad@CPE004005522ca9-CM00111adf85b4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
03:12.35theLichKingaccording to openmoko.com, they are sold out.. any idea when they're gonna have new ones?
03:17.35*** join/#openmoko erik_ (n=erik@gw.sbg.se)
03:20.18*** join/#openmoko fenfir (n=fenfir@adsl-64-219-109-77.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
03:23.11mmontour*** NAUGHTY PROGRAMMER!!! *** SPANK SPANK SPANK!!! - Cute error message. (openmoko-qtopia-x11-image on GTA01)
03:29.56*** join/#openmoko Kero (n=kero@i134011.upc-i.chello.nl)
03:29.56*** join/#openmoko Crfrod (n=Crfrod@88.214.193.26)
03:29.56*** join/#openmoko Fradeve (n=fradeve@host219-7-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)
03:29.56*** join/#openmoko crimzor (n=shit@c83-250-201-115.bredband.comhem.se)
03:29.56*** join/#openmoko tg (i=tg@x-net.hu)
03:29.56*** join/#openmoko shenki (n=joel@202.174.42.5)
03:29.56*** join/#openmoko ferric (n=aditya@38.117.157.113)
03:29.57*** join/#openmoko molkko (n=molkko__@a88-115-166-231.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
03:29.57*** join/#openmoko methril|away (n=Methril@127.Red-80-38-102.staticIP.rima-tde.net)
03:29.58*** join/#openmoko NineX (i=ninex@gentoo.netzone.kom.pl)
03:29.58*** join/#openmoko raynet (i=raynet@bb-81-175-198-129.dsl.phnet.fi)
03:29.58*** join/#openmoko Jiten (n=blight@a88-115-113-7.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
03:29.58*** join/#openmoko RedDog (n=reddog@mastersword.de)
03:29.58*** join/#openmoko jorgenpt (n=jorgenpt@tjer.no)
03:29.58*** join/#openmoko univac (n=univac@xmms2/user/univac)
03:29.58*** join/#openmoko dennda (n=dennda@ubuntu/member/dennda)
03:29.58*** join/#openmoko massoud (n=massoud@85.233.200.18)
03:29.58*** join/#openmoko keitsi (i=mikko@korkalo.fi)
03:29.58*** join/#openmoko otaku42 (n=otaku42@madwifi/developer/otaku42)
03:32.08*** join/#openmoko zeno_ (n=andrew@c-75-70-202-80.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
03:39.47al_rwhitby: what about Nokia N800
03:39.59al_is it fully open source, i mean can one change its kernel plus FS
03:40.19al_how do you compare openmoko with Nokia N800
03:41.58joschal_, it is not
03:42.21mwesterHas Nokia released source to the wifi card then?
03:43.33joschDespite being based on Linux and open source software in general, some parts of the Internet Tablet OS remain closed source. Particularly the Wifi drivers, which contain a binary blob, and some user-space stuff, like certain statusbar and taskbar applets (including the display brightness applet) and applications.
03:43.33josch[wikipedia]
03:44.01al_josch: can one customize the kernel, which means patch the kernel, add/remove new modules?
03:44.36joschthrowing also binary blobs in the pot this is possible, yes
03:45.38rasterdoesnt mind a good binary blobbing... as long as shit still can be rebuilt
03:46.33*** join/#openmoko fenfir_ (n=fenfir@adsl-64-219-109-77.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net)
03:46.35al_josch: Once you are done with the patching and configurations, compile the kernel and flash the zImage to the N800. Also do the following on your host machine:
03:46.35al_ln -s /path/to/kernel-source-rx-34-2.6.18/vmlinux /boot/vmlinux-2.6.18-omap1
03:46.50al_source: http://www.kernel.sg/roller/eugene/entry/experiences_getting_systemtap_work_on
03:47.29al_josch: can we change the file system of N800?
03:47.46joschoh and as we speak about /other/ hardware: have a look at pandora too
03:48.10*** join/#openmoko dkirker (n=dkirker@24-205-225-103.static.snlo.ca.charter.com)
03:48.13joschit seems they give the better option when one cares about 100% free driver support
03:48.27rasterponders if he should wipe nokia's image and put mamona on his n800
03:49.02joschthey state everything is supported by free drivers except the 3d accel but as someone playing ff7 showed one doesnt know this acceleration
03:50.49joschand also to note - i know some guy working on reengineering the powervr
03:51.50joschal_, i know people who tried to change their filesystem to debian or angstrom
03:52.03joschi even tried myself with a 770 but had no luck
03:52.20joschthe boot process is /very/ weird
03:52.31joschand i found no documentation about it
03:53.01joschthe neo is so damn easy to hack (see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian) so i was disappointed with the 770
03:53.28al_josch: and with N800
03:53.29al_?
03:53.35joschi dont have one
03:53.45rastersame a 770 really
03:53.46joschi will never buy this proprietary shit again
03:54.29joschand with proprietary i mean, that it is really hard to change something
03:54.58joschsearch the net and there are only very few people who investigated time to examine the boot process or such things
03:55.08joschthe hacker community around this device seems very small
03:55.38joschshow me one tutorial that shows me how the 770 boots and i will take back all i said
03:56.55*** join/#openmoko batti112 (n=batti@blfd-4db5b2bf.pool.einsundeins.de)
03:58.01joschas i said have a look here: http://pandorawiki.org/Pandora this device is 99% oss (as i said apart from the vga accel you wont need) and they are using uboot and i know devs building with openembedded for it - just as we do here for the neo
03:58.50*** join/#openmoko zmedico (n=zmedico@gentoo/developer/zmedico)
03:58.53joschimho this is a much better choice for people wanting to buy an "internet tablet" (without a phone) AND want to hack it
04:06.15SpeedEvilyur: yes
04:06.17SpeedEviloops
04:09.28al_josch: you are right
04:09.34al_but it is a phone!
04:09.55joschal_, the freerunner?
04:10.15al_josch: the pandora
04:10.19joschno
04:10.29joschit's designed as a gaming handheld console
04:10.32joschrunning linux
04:10.50al_yes, but can one try some developement for phone on this machine
04:10.54al_no  i think so.
04:11.42josch??
04:11.46joschxplain plz
04:13.31*** join/#openmoko libervisco (n=libervis@78-1-116-28.adsl.net.t-com.hr)
04:14.45al_josch: some developement specifially targetted for phones such as openmoko cannot be tested on this gaming console.
04:15.12joschof course not
04:15.46joschi only mentioned it because it's much closed to the things you would do on a nokia tablet because it has no wifi too
04:15.52joschi mean: no gsm
04:17.45*** join/#openmoko olv (n=olvaffe@122-116-62-89.HINET-IP.hinet.net)
04:22.42Psihow much of the 500mA goes to running the neo if its on while charging?
04:22.48Psigta01
04:24.45*** join/#openmoko fobos (n=fobos@78.90.88.244)
04:25.19daMaestrovery little
04:25.20daMaestrolol
04:25.29daMaestrois just guessing
04:28.26*** join/#openmoko HdR (i=hdr@ns.km31715.keymachine.de)
04:28.26*** join/#openmoko XXLT (n=XXLT@herkules.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de)
04:28.26*** join/#openmoko koredn (n=kn@busimess.org)
04:28.26*** join/#openmoko zedstar (n=john@82-44-200-69.cable.ubr08.haye.blueyonder.co.uk)
04:28.26*** join/#openmoko kario (n=kario@tuubi.mermit.fi)
04:28.26*** join/#openmoko robster (n=robster@light.bluelinux.co.uk)
04:28.28*** join/#openmoko dwmw2_gone (i=ctrlprox@baythorne.infradead.org)
04:28.28*** join/#openmoko orospakr (n=orospakr@ip-64-15-152-71.static.privatedns.com)
04:28.28*** join/#openmoko cnwdup (i=harlekin@v1107.ncsrv.de)
04:28.28*** join/#openmoko greentux_ (n=lemke@Z7dba.z.pppool.de)
04:28.28*** join/#openmoko rd_ (n=dr@vnsecurity.net)
04:28.28*** join/#openmoko rtp (n=rtp@sat78-7-88-166-121-96.fbx.proxad.net)
04:28.28*** join/#openmoko aexin (i=eivindsy@unaffiliated/aevin)
04:28.28*** join/#openmoko Dunedan (n=dunedan@phoenitydawn.de)
04:28.28*** join/#openmoko TAsn (n=a@89.1.200.189.dynamic.barak-online.net)
04:28.28*** join/#openmoko libervisco (n=libervis@tuxhacker/libervisco)
04:28.28*** join/#openmoko holymoly (n=biteme@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net)
04:28.28*** join/#openmoko hobitti (n=hobitti@a91-153-178-164.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
04:28.28*** join/#openmoko mjr (n=mjr@myntti.helsinki.fi)
04:28.28*** join/#openmoko nibbo (i=nibbo@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-38ceef57adfea1fb)
04:28.30*** join/#openmoko stefan_schmidt (n=sschmidt@sicherheitsschwankung.de)
04:28.30*** join/#openmoko blinx (n=blinx@unixboard/user/blinx)
04:28.30*** join/#openmoko Babear (n=mp@cs181036155.pp.htv.fi)
04:28.30*** join/#openmoko ScaredyCat (n=nnandy@net-pbx.demon.nl)
04:28.30*** join/#openmoko xaid (n=xaid@S0106000c6ef3cb4e.ed.shawcable.net)
04:28.30*** join/#openmoko DPThuugh1 (n=tilli@mail.collax.com)
04:28.30*** join/#openmoko nibbler_de (n=nibbler@as250.net)
04:28.30*** join/#openmoko trickie (n=trickie@hgaulton.xs4all.nl)
04:28.30*** join/#openmoko ath (i=hankalah@myntti.helsinki.fi)
04:28.30*** join/#openmoko apollo13 (n=apollo13@unaffiliated/apollo13)
04:28.30*** join/#openmoko janneg (n=janne@tichy.grunau.be)
04:28.30*** join/#openmoko zash (n=zash@82.182.247.191)
04:28.30*** join/#openmoko shoragan (n=shoragan@debian/developer/shoragan)
04:28.31*** join/#openmoko Rakshasa (i=pkorva@apollo.sigmatic.fi)
04:28.32*** join/#openmoko johang (n=johan@84-55-117-55.customers.ownit.se)
04:28.32*** join/#openmoko Maescool (n=maescool@maescool.be)
04:28.32*** join/#openmoko xkr47 (i=xkr47@a88-112-3-198.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
04:28.32*** join/#openmoko anders_ (n=andersg@xmms2/developer/anders)
04:28.32*** join/#openmoko ynezz (i=ynezz@ibawizard.net)
04:28.32*** join/#openmoko rep (n=rep@work.etcho.de)
04:29.00*** join/#openmoko liberfiasco (n=libervis@78-1-116-28.adsl.net.t-com.hr)
04:29.00*** join/#openmoko zeno (n=zeno@c-75-71-224-83.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
04:29.58*** join/#openmoko nibbo (i=nibbo@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-1b58a9e971df6224)
04:30.03*** join/#openmoko soundar (n=openmoko@59.97.56.216)
04:30.22*** join/#openmoko fsteinel (n=fsteinel@pD9FBBF71.dip.t-dialin.net)
04:30.29*** part/#openmoko soundar (n=openmoko@59.97.56.216)
04:32.54*** part/#openmoko fenfir_ (n=fenfir@adsl-64-219-109-77.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net)
04:34.48*** join/#openmoko milos_ (n=milos@92.36.187.227)
04:36.24*** join/#openmoko mbuf (n=shakthim@61.16.248.242)
04:37.12*** join/#openmoko fenfir (n=fenfir@adsl-64-219-109-77.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net)
04:47.23*** join/#openmoko dvarnes (n=davidv@unaffiliated/dvarnes)
04:47.33*** join/#openmoko arndtroide (n=arndt@port-92-196-32-116.dynamic.qsc.de)
04:51.09*** join/#openmoko danilo_ (n=danilo@adsl-236-193.eunet.yu)
04:53.16*** join/#openmoko nibbo (i=nibbo@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-1b58a9e971df6224) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.09*** join/#openmoko HdR (i=hdr@ns.km31715.keymachine.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.09*** join/#openmoko XXLT (n=XXLT@herkules.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.09*** join/#openmoko koredn (n=kn@busimess.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.09*** join/#openmoko zedstar (n=john@82-44-200-69.cable.ubr08.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.09*** join/#openmoko kario (n=kario@tuubi.mermit.fi)
04:54.09*** join/#openmoko robster (n=robster@light.bluelinux.co.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.09*** join/#openmoko dwmw2_gone (i=ctrlprox@baythorne.infradead.org)
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko orospakr (n=orospakr@ip-64-15-152-71.static.privatedns.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko cnwdup (i=harlekin@v1107.ncsrv.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko nibbo (i=nibbo@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-1b58a9e971df6224) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko arndtroide (n=arndt@port-92-196-32-116.dynamic.qsc.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko dvarnes (n=davidv@unaffiliated/dvarnes) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko fsteinel (n=fsteinel@pD9FBBF71.dip.t-dialin.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko greentux_ (n=lemke@Z7dba.z.pppool.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko rd_ (n=dr@vnsecurity.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko rtp (n=rtp@sat78-7-88-166-121-96.fbx.proxad.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko aexin (i=eivindsy@unaffiliated/aevin) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko Dunedan (n=dunedan@phoenitydawn.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko TAsn (n=a@89.1.200.189.dynamic.barak-online.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko holymoly (n=biteme@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko hobitti (n=hobitti@a91-153-178-164.elisa-laajakaista.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko mjr (n=mjr@myntti.helsinki.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko stefan_schmidt (n=sschmidt@sicherheitsschwankung.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko blinx (n=blinx@unixboard/user/blinx) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko Babear (n=mp@cs181036155.pp.htv.fi)
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko ScaredyCat (n=nnandy@net-pbx.demon.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko xaid (n=xaid@S0106000c6ef3cb4e.ed.shawcable.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko DPThuugh1 (n=tilli@mail.collax.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko nibbler_de (n=nibbler@as250.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko trickie (n=trickie@hgaulton.xs4all.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko ath (i=hankalah@myntti.helsinki.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko apollo13 (n=apollo13@unaffiliated/apollo13) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.10*** join/#openmoko janneg (n=janne@tichy.grunau.be)
04:54.11*** join/#openmoko zash (n=zash@82.182.247.191) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.11*** join/#openmoko shoragan (n=shoragan@debian/developer/shoragan) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.11*** join/#openmoko Rakshasa (i=pkorva@apollo.sigmatic.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.11*** join/#openmoko johang (n=johan@84-55-117-55.customers.ownit.se) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.11*** join/#openmoko Maescool (n=maescool@maescool.be) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.12*** join/#openmoko xkr47 (i=xkr47@a88-112-3-198.elisa-laajakaista.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.12*** join/#openmoko anders_ (n=andersg@xmms2/developer/anders) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:54.12*** join/#openmoko ynezz (i=ynezz@ibawizard.net)
04:54.12*** join/#openmoko rep (n=rep@work.etcho.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
04:55.23dvarneswah
05:04.42*** join/#openmoko linuxxr (n=brian@ip70-178-27-23.ks.ks.cox.net)
05:06.12*** join/#openmoko doc|home (n=doc@gentoo/contributor/doc-007)
05:07.51*** join/#openmoko Psi (n=benw@ip-58-28-158-238.static-xdsl.xnet.co.nz)
05:17.21*** join/#openmoko Marex (n=marex@vasut.kolej.mff.cuni.cz)
05:19.43*** join/#openmoko gopi (n=gopi@adsl-69-232-195-12.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net)
05:24.03*** join/#openmoko Sup3rkiddo (n=sudharsh@unaffiliated/sudharsh)
05:24.28*** join/#openmoko sindre (n=sindre@ti221110a081-5581.bb.online.no)
05:24.41*** join/#openmoko milos_ (n=milos@92.36.188.170)
05:36.19*** join/#openmoko netx (n=rlange@osiris.darkempire.org)
05:41.07*** join/#openmoko jeffdamet1 (n=jeff@dyndsl-085-016-233-039.ewe-ip-backbone.de)
05:43.05*** join/#openmoko tholin (n=tholin@h-79-136-60-229.NA.cust.bahnhof.se)
05:43.20*** join/#openmoko rwhitby` (n=rwhitby@ppp240-74.static.internode.on.net)
05:45.54*** part/#openmoko rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@ip-89-102-255-171.karneval.cz)
05:45.58*** join/#openmoko ccube_ (n=ccube@ssh.ccube.de)
05:47.26*** join/#openmoko doron (n=Ofek@87.68.77.7.cable.012.net.il)
05:48.19doronmorning
05:50.21*** join/#openmoko zmedico (n=zmedico@gentoo/developer/zmedico)
05:50.51*** join/#openmoko polz_ (n=polz@cpe-213-157-253-90.dynamic.amis.net)
05:52.04*** join/#openmoko jeddy3 (n=mattiast@gw.sbg.se)
05:52.18*** join/#openmoko peter_b (n=biertrin@p5497BBB6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
05:53.08*** join/#openmoko geaaru (n=geaaru@host185-168-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)
05:56.45*** join/#openmoko Crfrod (n=Crfrod@88.214.193.26)
05:56.45*** join/#openmoko Fradeve (n=fradeve@host219-7-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:56.46*** join/#openmoko crimzor (n=shit@c83-250-201-115.bredband.comhem.se) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:56.46*** join/#openmoko tg (i=tg@x-net.hu) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:56.46*** join/#openmoko shenki (n=joel@202.174.42.5) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:56.46*** join/#openmoko ferric (n=aditya@38.117.157.113) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:56.46*** join/#openmoko molkko (n=molkko__@a88-115-166-231.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
05:56.46*** join/#openmoko methril|away (n=Methril@127.Red-80-38-102.staticIP.rima-tde.net)
05:56.46*** join/#openmoko NineX (i=ninex@gentoo.netzone.kom.pl)
05:56.46*** join/#openmoko raynet (i=raynet@bb-81-175-198-129.dsl.phnet.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:56.46*** join/#openmoko Jiten (n=blight@a88-115-113-7.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
05:56.46*** join/#openmoko RedDog (n=reddog@mastersword.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:56.46*** join/#openmoko jorgenpt (n=jorgenpt@tjer.no)
05:56.46*** join/#openmoko univac (n=univac@xmms2/user/univac)
05:56.46*** join/#openmoko dennda (n=dennda@ubuntu/member/dennda) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:56.46*** join/#openmoko massoud (n=massoud@85.233.200.18) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:56.46*** join/#openmoko keitsi (i=mikko@korkalo.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:56.46*** join/#openmoko otaku42 (n=otaku42@madwifi/developer/otaku42) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.05*** join/#openmoko nibbo (i=nibbo@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-1b58a9e971df6224) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.05*** join/#openmoko arndtroide (n=arndt@port-92-196-32-116.dynamic.qsc.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.05*** join/#openmoko dvarnes (n=davidv@unaffiliated/dvarnes) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.05*** join/#openmoko fsteinel (n=fsteinel@pD9FBBF71.dip.t-dialin.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.05*** join/#openmoko greentux_ (n=lemke@Z7dba.z.pppool.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.05*** join/#openmoko rd_ (n=dr@vnsecurity.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.05*** join/#openmoko rtp (n=rtp@sat78-7-88-166-121-96.fbx.proxad.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.05*** join/#openmoko aexin (i=eivindsy@unaffiliated/aevin) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.05*** join/#openmoko Dunedan (n=dunedan@phoenitydawn.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.05*** join/#openmoko TAsn (n=a@89.1.200.189.dynamic.barak-online.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.05*** join/#openmoko holymoly (n=biteme@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.05*** join/#openmoko hobitti (n=hobitti@a91-153-178-164.elisa-laajakaista.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.05*** join/#openmoko mjr (n=mjr@myntti.helsinki.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.05*** join/#openmoko stefan_schmidt (n=sschmidt@sicherheitsschwankung.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.05*** join/#openmoko blinx (n=blinx@unixboard/user/blinx) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.05*** join/#openmoko Babear (n=mp@cs181036155.pp.htv.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.05*** join/#openmoko ScaredyCat (n=nnandy@net-pbx.demon.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.06*** join/#openmoko xaid (n=xaid@S0106000c6ef3cb4e.ed.shawcable.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.07*** join/#openmoko DPThuugh1 (n=tilli@mail.collax.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.07*** join/#openmoko nibbler_de (n=nibbler@as250.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.07*** join/#openmoko trickie (n=trickie@hgaulton.xs4all.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.07*** join/#openmoko ath (i=hankalah@myntti.helsinki.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.07*** join/#openmoko apollo13 (n=apollo13@unaffiliated/apollo13) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.07*** join/#openmoko janneg (n=janne@tichy.grunau.be) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.07*** join/#openmoko zash (n=zash@82.182.247.191) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.07*** join/#openmoko shoragan (n=shoragan@debian/developer/shoragan) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.07*** join/#openmoko Rakshasa (i=pkorva@apollo.sigmatic.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.07*** join/#openmoko johang (n=johan@84-55-117-55.customers.ownit.se) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.07*** join/#openmoko Maescool (n=maescool@maescool.be) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.07*** join/#openmoko xkr47 (i=xkr47@a88-112-3-198.elisa-laajakaista.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.07*** join/#openmoko anders_ (n=andersg@xmms2/developer/anders) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.07*** join/#openmoko ynezz (i=ynezz@ibawizard.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.07*** join/#openmoko rep (n=rep@work.etcho.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.35*** join/#openmoko cnwdup (i=harlekin@v1107.ncsrv.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.35*** join/#openmoko orospakr (n=orospakr@ip-64-15-152-71.static.privatedns.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.35*** join/#openmoko dwmw2_gone (i=ctrlprox@baythorne.infradead.org)
05:59.35*** join/#openmoko robster (n=robster@light.bluelinux.co.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.35*** join/#openmoko kario (n=kario@tuubi.mermit.fi)
05:59.36*** join/#openmoko zedstar (n=john@82-44-200-69.cable.ubr08.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.36*** join/#openmoko koredn (n=kn@busimess.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.36*** join/#openmoko XXLT (n=XXLT@herkules.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
05:59.36*** join/#openmoko HdR (i=hdr@ns.km31715.keymachine.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
06:00.51*** join/#openmoko Kero (n=kero@i134011.upc-i.chello.nl)
06:00.53*** join/#openmoko darius12_ (n=darius12@85.72.103.72)
06:01.18*** part/#openmoko darius12_ (n=darius12@85.72.103.72)
06:01.51*** join/#openmoko ahven (n=kala@194.126.113.140)
06:04.01*** join/#openmoko tubastian (n=tubastia@p508CF016.dip.t-dialin.net)
06:14.47*** join/#openmoko drath (i=vmaster@p5B07E68D.dip.t-dialin.net)
06:15.53*** join/#openmoko macdonal1er (n=macdonal@S0106001ee5441112.vc.shawcable.net)
06:15.57*** join/#openmoko fgau (n=fgau@62.8.133.125)
06:18.04*** join/#openmoko apol (n=apol@xsftbnupc02.upc.es)
06:28.26*** part/#openmoko macdonal1er (n=macdonal@S0106001ee5441112.vc.shawcable.net)
06:30.29*** join/#openmoko pyknite (n=pyknite@pub1.heig-vd.ch)
06:33.55*** join/#openmoko xamindar (n=xamindar@c-76-102-48-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
06:33.55methrilmorning
06:33.58*** join/#openmoko trickie_ (n=trickie@basesoft.demon.nl)
06:34.10*** join/#openmoko kW_ (n=kW@130.216.42.69)
06:40.58CIA-43freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * r904a9d417d4e 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
06:40.58CIA-43freesmartphone.org: Serial handling fixes
06:40.58CIA-43freesmartphone.org: Fixed Neo1973 support
06:45.45*** join/#openmoko Kero (n=kero@i134011.upc-i.chello.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
06:45.45*** join/#openmoko kW_ (n=kW@130.216.42.69) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
06:45.45*** join/#openmoko Crfrod (n=Crfrod@88.214.193.26)
06:45.46*** join/#openmoko Fradeve (n=fradeve@host219-7-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
06:45.46*** join/#openmoko crimzor (n=shit@c83-250-201-115.bredband.comhem.se) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
06:45.46*** join/#openmoko tg (i=tg@x-net.hu) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
06:45.46*** join/#openmoko shenki (n=joel@202.174.42.5) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
06:45.46*** join/#openmoko ferric (n=aditya@38.117.157.113) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
06:45.46*** join/#openmoko molkko (n=molkko__@a88-115-166-231.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
06:45.46*** join/#openmoko methril (n=Methril@127.Red-80-38-102.staticIP.rima-tde.net)
06:45.46*** join/#openmoko NineX (i=ninex@gentoo.netzone.kom.pl)
06:45.46*** join/#openmoko raynet (i=raynet@bb-81-175-198-129.dsl.phnet.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
06:45.46*** join/#openmoko Jiten (n=blight@a88-115-113-7.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
06:45.46*** join/#openmoko RedDog (n=reddog@mastersword.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
06:45.46*** join/#openmoko jorgenpt (n=jorgenpt@tjer.no)
06:45.46*** join/#openmoko univac (n=univac@xmms2/user/univac)
06:45.46*** join/#openmoko dennda (n=dennda@ubuntu/member/dennda) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
06:45.46*** join/#openmoko massoud (n=massoud@85.233.200.18) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
06:45.46*** join/#openmoko keitsi (i=mikko@korkalo.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
06:45.46*** join/#openmoko otaku42 (n=otaku42@madwifi/developer/otaku42) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]
06:54.51*** join/#openmoko Azalyn_ (n=junon@bas7-montreal02-1096626377.dsl.bell.ca)
06:56.03*** join/#openmoko rwhitby (n=rwhitby@nslu2-linux/rwhitby)
06:57.54*** join/#openmoko rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@gtsgw.ttc.cz)
06:58.57*** join/#openmoko kwek (n=martijn@188.Red-213-97-48.staticIP.rima-tde.net)
07:00.06*** join/#openmoko Mathiasdm (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be)
07:00.50*** join/#openmoko dioptik (n=dioptik@85.14.182.46)
07:00.58*** join/#openmoko bentob0x (n=laurent@ip-213-49-71-46.dsl.scarlet.be)
07:20.27*** join/#openmoko holycow (n=new@mail.wjsgroup.com)
07:20.32*** join/#openmoko d3vice (n=d3vice@a213-22-124-16.cpe.netcabo.pt)
07:21.44*** join/#openmoko polz_ (n=polz@lbcsi.fri.uni-lj.si)
07:26.23d3viceg'morning
07:26.34methrilmorning
07:27.25*** join/#openmoko tedo (n=cta@HSI-KBW-091-089-001-218.hsi2.kabelbw.de)
07:27.42*** join/#openmoko slomo (i=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo)
07:29.40*** join/#openmoko Antenagora (n=antenago@147.162.252.190)
07:31.06nabGood morning all!
07:31.22nabadds OpenMoko Freerunner to the main Linux-iSCSI.org page
07:31.25nab:-)
07:32.26nabI wonder if anyone has actually tried it with LIO-VM yet.
07:32.27nab:-)
07:33.25nabchecks the download logs
07:34.42nab[root@bbtest0 httpd]# grep ipk * | wc -l
07:34.42nab19
07:34.51nabI wonder how many actual setups. :P
07:35.27nabActually, some of those are neo1973 packages as well
07:35.30nabBut anyways
07:35.56nabWhat is the latest work on mass production folks..?
07:36.01nabs/work/word
07:36.34methrilin the ml they said June
07:36.43*** join/#openmoko zeno_ (n=zeno@c-75-71-224-83.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
07:36.48nabmethril: Thanks
07:37.03methrilyou are wellcome
07:37.23nabI think the N810 WiMax device is going live in early July I believe..?
07:37.37nab(If you are lucky enough to have Mobile WiMax in your area)
07:37.50nabShould be an interesting summer. :-)
07:38.07nabwaves
07:38.15nabGreetings XorA
07:38.19methrilshould be
07:38.34XorAhas no wimax :-(
07:38.58nabXorA: Then you should jump on Ebay and get a antennee
07:39.11nabWell, those are fixed Wimax I think.. :-)
07:39.16nabeg v1.0 if you wil
07:39.18nabwill
07:39.54nabMobile WiMax is v2.0 with the lower latencies (I have heard 50 ms RTT pings) and better coverage for moving about, etc.
07:40.55nabhttp://cgi.ebay.com/LONG-Range-WiMAX-WiFi-ANTENNA-3-4-10-8Ghz_W0QQitemZ140232891245QQihZ004QQcategoryZ61816QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
07:41.04nabActually, I can't tell if that is Mobile WiMax or not
07:41.11nabI would assume not. :-)
07:41.43nabHopefully those will come on the market soon as intel's mobile WiMax ASIC starts to go volume
07:42.25nab(Which is what the N810 WiMax and countless other USB modems are using)
07:43.05nab2010 is the year supposedly where mobile WiMax covers everything basically
07:43.25nabBut anyways
07:43.51nabsteers the discussion back into OM-devel
07:43.51XorAthis is the UK so probably 3010 :-)
07:43.51nabHeheh
07:43.51nabWooooooooop
07:43.52methrilhahaha
07:43.57*** join/#openmoko dioptik_ (n=dioptik@85.14.182.46)
07:43.59nabMobile ISDN lines
07:44.00nab:P
07:44.20methrilthe problem in Spain are the Teleco companies
07:44.28nabThe UART needs to be 115200 for 128 kbit!
07:44.42nab115200 bps of course
07:45.03nabmethril: I think the US is going to be lucky to have Xohm
07:45.27nabAnd the big cash info for intel/google
07:45.32nabs/for/from
07:45.35methrillet's see how politics things are going around here :)
07:45.42methrilnice
07:45.57nabHopefully that will put the US back into the wireless/broadband game
07:45.57methrilintel has investing money in that way, isnt' it?
07:46.04*** join/#openmoko zeno__ (n=zeno@c-75-71-224-83.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
07:46.05nabBecause our cable/dsl sucks for the most part
07:46.17methrilwireless is the future
07:46.17nabmethril: <nod>
07:46.35nabActually, Intel has been pushing Mobile WiMax from the start.
07:47.08nabAs we must not forget, its all about the Pentiums
07:47.08methrillet's see
07:47.30nabOr Atom, or whatever they call their low TDP x86 mobile design
07:47.41nabPersonally, I like the VIA C7 more. :-)
07:47.46nab(For x86 mobile stuff)
07:47.49*** join/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e182060023.adsl.alicedsl.de)
07:47.58methrilless power consumption
07:48.02CIA-43openmoko: 03zecke * r72e0dcb5142f 10/src/server/simplebuiltins.cpp: [callscreen] Obey the compiler and return something from here
07:48.02CIA-43openmoko: 03zecke * rbebb791a63bb 10/src/libraries/qtopia/qtopiaapplication.cpp: [x11] Add a hack to set the Qtopia property on all windows.
07:48.14nabI believe the VIA C7 Mobile platform has the mobile WiMax radiio as well..
07:48.19nabNot sure if its Intels, probably not.
07:48.47nabThey are all going to Nokia. ;-)
07:48.55nabAnyways, I need to hit the hay
07:49.07nabCatch you folks tomorrow evening..
07:49.42methrilhit the hay?
07:49.47nabZzzzZZzzz
07:49.51methrilk
07:50.03nabwill refrain some using bad southern US lingo
07:50.09nabGnight :)
07:50.13Hopscotchgood morning
07:50.14methrilgnight
07:50.19nabhehehe
07:50.57malik1972good afternoon
07:54.14*** join/#openmoko KenSentMe (n=jeroen@kensentme.xs4all.nl)
07:55.58*** join/#openmoko buz (n=buz@84-72-53-89.dclient.hispeed.ch)
07:57.23*** join/#openmoko loufoque (n=loufoque@tob.residence.ens-lyon.fr)
07:57.48loufoqueapril software update coming soon? Like, next april?
07:58.12geogriffinhaha thank you
07:58.13joschmalik1972, afternoon???
07:58.27joschmalik1972, you life in germany, right??
07:59.07joschs/life/live/
08:00.37geogriffinit is always interesting writing software with people from half way around the world
08:01.09geogriffinstaying up till 5 or 6 in the morning
08:02.01*** join/#openmoko Mathiasdm (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be)
08:02.17*** join/#openmoko dioptik_ (n=chatzill@85.14.182.46)
08:03.57malik1972josch: just a joke!;-)
08:04.33malik1972to beo correct: moin
08:04.38*** join/#openmoko cedric (n=cedric@enlightenment/developer/cedric)
08:05.15*** join/#openmoko zeno_ (n=zeno@c-75-71-224-83.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
08:10.51*** join/#openmoko suuuper (n=suuuper@81-208-88-100.ip.fastwebnet.it)
08:13.00*** join/#openmoko emonkey (n=emonkey@edu-34.92.zhaw.ch)
08:15.04*** join/#openmoko thos (i=thomas@88-96-30-69.dsl.zen.co.uk)
08:21.12*** join/#openmoko N-Mi (n=nicolas@calvix/staff/N-Mi)
08:25.01*** join/#openmoko greentux (n=lemke@ip-217-18-181-130.static.reverse.dsi.net)
08:29.54*** join/#openmoko Mathiasdm (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be)
08:32.09*** join/#openmoko Sup3rkiddo (n=sudharsh@unaffiliated/sudharsh)
08:33.43*** join/#openmoko soundar (n=openmoko@59.97.56.94)
08:33.49*** part/#openmoko soundar (n=openmoko@59.97.56.94)
08:37.49*** join/#openmoko dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net)
08:40.43*** join/#openmoko chi-cha-chucky (n=880_liev@194.95.40.160)
08:42.17*** join/#openmoko Mathiasdm (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be)
08:45.29malik1972http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_QEMU_with_MokoMakefile: qemu-arm does not compile anymore, did someone changed anything?
08:46.10*** join/#openmoko geaaru_ (n=geaaru@host150-168-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)
08:46.16*** part/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e182060023.adsl.alicedsl.de)
08:47.44*** join/#openmoko zedstar (n=john@82-44-200-69.cable.ubr08.haye.blueyonder.co.uk)
08:49.30zedstargetting a problem with my public key on projects can anyone ssh to the projects machine to see if theirs works?
08:49.59*** join/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e182060023.adsl.alicedsl.de)
08:50.25Sup3rkiddozedstar, maybe its one of those weak keys?
08:50.43*** join/#openmoko Zwiseli (n=andy@dsl1.puzzle.ch)
08:50.45zedstarsup3rkiddo is this the recent ssh/key update/
08:50.47zedstar?
08:50.59zedstari did notice some software update relating to keys in ubuntu
08:51.10zedstarbut didnt read it of course
08:51.23Sup3rkiddozedstar, yes...atleast i received alerts from savannah to change my keys asap
08:52.03diego_at_workzedstar, you should read always the security warning ... ^^
08:52.10*** join/#openmoko Heinervdm (n=thomas@pD9E177E5.dip.t-dialin.net)
08:52.14*** join/#openmoko jaybe (n=jamesbew@81.168.39.1)
08:52.23Sup3rkiddozedstar, all debian derivatives including ubuntu were affected..upgrade your openssl package and generate new keys for yourself
08:53.23zedstarok thanks......yeh package updated already just broke my cvs to projects machine
08:53.57*** join/#openmoko jaybe (n=jamesbew@81.168.39.1)
08:54.14diego_at_workbetter to be broken  by an package upgrade than by a cracker ^^
08:55.40zedstarok i will read the update messages in future ;P
08:56.11Sup3rkiddo~lart zedstar for not reading security updates
08:56.11aptwhips zedstar with a wet and grimy noodle just because for not reading security updates
08:56.30zedstarooh kinky
08:56.52Sup3rkiddoo.o indeed....who comes up with these stuff...grimy noodle?
08:56.59zashnote: disabling tunneld clear text passwords was bad when that happend
09:05.48*** part/#openmoko Dunedan (n=dunedan@phoenitydawn.de)
09:05.50*** join/#openmoko Dunedan (n=dunedan@phoenitydawn.de)
09:14.43*** join/#openmoko facka69 (i=5277a3e9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8e5c0f09d85e5bd7)
09:15.00*** join/#openmoko ArteK (n=ArteK@82.177.19.205)
09:15.04facka69hi neo's
09:15.11tedoi'm trying to build 'qemu-local' with the openmoko makefile. It doesn't build because libsdl_mixer failes to build. Where do i disable the libsdl packages. I already tried it in packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb. (I'm new to oe)
09:16.02joschtedo, maybe libsdl_mixer is broken atm - sometimes it's enough to wait a few hours until it's fixed
09:16.25malik1972i have also problems with the makefile, something changed
09:16.55tedojosch, thx. i tried it a few days ago and some sdl stuff was broken there, too.
09:16.55Sup3rkiddomalik1972, that may be because of the transition to git
09:16.56joschdid rwhitby already check in his new version?
09:17.00Sup3rkiddoyes
09:17.05joschah thats it ^^
09:17.06Sup3rkiddomake update-makefile
09:17.12*** join/#openmoko tsuramoto (n=tashiro@a82-92-30-111.adsl.xs4all.nl)
09:17.36facka69i have an big problem and don't know an answer: if i try power up the modem (ssh), i get the error "Modem power-up failed: 10" without an PIN request!??? :(
09:17.43joschtedo, sry i'm not very into the oe stuff either - i knew it a few month back but... :P
09:18.22tedonot so important atm. just want to play around...
09:18.42diego_at_workfacka69, do you have a gta01b4?
09:19.07malik1972Sup3rkiddo: i use the makefile for emulation with qemu-arm, there is a big change since yesterday, git, bitbake and so on
09:19.16Sup3rkiddoyes
09:19.23facka69diego_at_work: yes
09:19.31tedoerrormsg:  /usr/lib/libc.a: could not read symbols: File format not recognized On a Amd64 linux
09:19.35Sup3rkiddoclobbered everything and started afresh
09:19.53diego_at_workis your sim enabled for umts?
09:20.30facka69diego_at_work: do you mean me?
09:21.31diego_at_workfacka69, yes. Take a look at this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd
09:21.59diego_at_workand this:http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666
09:23.19*** join/#openmoko patoh (n=patoh@CPE-30-61.dsl.onthenet.net)
09:24.43facka69diego_at_work: i have already look at the wiki and when i try power up i get the error
09:24.52CIA-43openmoko: 03thomas * r4448 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (7 files): opkg: remove redundant multiple_providers option and also remove redundant familiar_revision pointer from the pkg struct
09:25.17facka69diego_at_work: do you mean it is an 3G bug
09:26.00methril3G?? :O
09:26.01diego_at_workfacka69, it's possible
09:26.14methrilUMTS isn't 3G
09:27.03joschtedo, could it be that there are some libs that dont fit your architecture?
09:27.07diego_at_workfacka69, try with libgsm-tool -m shell to see if you can manually power up
09:27.33*** join/#openmoko xx14 (n=averkhov@cs181098240.pp.htv.fi)
09:28.39tedojosch, just found the same issue in the om mailinglist. apparently a libpath is missing to the libc.
09:28.56joschseems so
09:28.57tedohttp://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-May/002731.html
09:29.18joschbut dont ask me more - i simply made my last om build months ago ^^
09:29.45tedothx anyway i try to fix it in my temp files
09:30.21facka69diego_at_work: when i enter libgsm-tool -m shell and enter ?, i get list a lot include "O" for Power On
09:30.21diego_at_workbtw there is no such think as 3G. 3G is just a marketing name for umts
09:30.38diego_at_workyes
09:32.30facka69diego_at_work: that means also that it is possible to power on manually?
09:33.42tedojosch, this worked -> The Makefile is broken.
09:36.31*** join/#openmoko raster_ (n=raster@124-170-255-224.dyn.iinet.net.au)
09:37.54*** join/#openmoko sounda1 (n=openmoko@59.97.56.160)
09:38.21*** part/#openmoko sounda1 (n=openmoko@59.97.56.160)
09:44.25*** join/#openmoko ArteK (n=ArteK@82.177.19.205)
09:48.53*** join/#openmoko cekay (n=cekay@xdsl-87-78-254-236.netcologne.de)
09:59.14*** join/#openmoko p3t3r__ (n=peter@wlan.net-you.de)
09:59.46facka69diego_at_work:it is the bug 666!
10:00.13diego_at_workwelcome to the club
10:00.38diego_at_workis looking for the old good gsm only sim ^^
10:04.47*** join/#openmoko christooss (n=matic@cpe-92-37-26-167.dynamic.amis.net)
10:07.17*** part/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e182060023.adsl.alicedsl.de)
10:09.34*** join/#openmoko Zwiseli (n=andy@dsl1.puzzle.ch)
10:10.04*** join/#openmoko vaiursch (n=erwin@84-72-189-27.dclient.hispeed.ch)
10:10.17*** join/#openmoko felipe_ (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se)
10:12.35*** join/#openmoko t0h (i=tommi@dsl-kvlbrasgw2-fe0cdf00-1.dhcp.inet.fi)
10:17.15*** join/#openmoko zerghase (n=zerghase@dslb-088-067-012-137.pools.arcor-ip.net)
10:19.18*** join/#openmoko neldoreth (n=ascot@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at)
10:22.36*** join/#openmoko d1 (n=dr@vnsecurity.net)
10:23.09*** join/#openmoko balrog-k1n (n=balrog@cmb164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)
10:23.53CIA-43freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * rcf519edc8e5a 10/ (17 files in 4 dirs):
10:23.53CIA-43freesmartphone.org: More serial fixes.
10:23.53CIA-43freesmartphone.org: Added modemstate.
10:23.53CIA-43freesmartphone.org: Some minor cleanups/renames.
10:25.09k-smickey|sofa: do you have bb files to build python-efl already?
10:26.02*** join/#openmoko MoR4euZ (n=mor4euz@port-87-234-145-181.dynamic.qsc.de)
10:29.00*** join/#openmoko christooss (n=matic@89-212-127-244.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net)
10:32.40joschk-s, should there be new bb or what?
10:33.09*** join/#openmoko lrg (n=liam@79-68-66-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com)
10:34.27k-sjosch: just want to know, because it would make user's life easier... but I think there is, due mamona guys
10:35.57joschk-s, life easier? i installed a bb generated ipkg as early as in january this year
10:38.17k-sjosch: ah! so excellent
10:38.26josch^^
10:38.42joschthis is why i wondered about your question ;)
10:39.28joschand as you can see with the underground distribution it works quite well ^^
10:39.51*** part/#openmoko facka69 (i=5277a3e9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8e5c0f09d85e5bd7)
10:40.19k-sok, thanks
10:40.36k-sreally needs time to build newer gta02 image
10:40.39k-s:-(
10:42.58*** join/#openmoko _rob_ (n=rob@85.233.59.8.static.cablesurf.de)
10:43.59*** join/#openmoko JanC (n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC)
10:44.57*** join/#openmoko apol (n=apol@xsftbnupc02.upc.es)
10:54.32*** join/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e182060023.adsl.alicedsl.de)
10:55.32malik1972where can i find a *tar.gz asu rootfs?
10:57.07XorAmalik1972: DIY at the moment
10:59.15malik1972s/DIY/???
10:59.36spyreI think he means do it yourself
10:59.50malik1972ohhh no;-)
11:00.07zashand tar czf for us lazy
11:00.13joschmalik1972, if XorA sais so you have no other choice.. :/
11:00.29joschXorA, how far are you with stripping down the ASU for gta01 size?
11:00.41XorAjosch: getting closer
11:00.46XorAjosch: down to 58M
11:01.18josch:)
11:01.23joschgogogo!
11:03.31zashand it needs to be lt 64M?
11:06.40XorA58M leaves 1.6M free
11:07.51*** join/#openmoko pyknite (n=pyknite@pub1.heig-vd.ch)
11:10.42malik1972xora: thats enough to have a look at asu on gta01
11:10.55XorAmalik1972: it crashes on boot :-(
11:11.01joschnoes :(
11:11.50malik1972xora: where i can find an howto for jffs2tgz?;-)
11:12.43*** join/#openmoko grummel (n=christia@cl-13.dus-01.de.sixxs.net)
11:12.49XorAmalik1972: if you can wait until tomorrow, Ill make the autobuilder make tar.gz images
11:13.21malik1972ok, i will wait
11:13.45malik1972otherwise i have done it before:-)
11:14.55*** join/#openmoko t_s_o (n=tso@129.84-49-131.nextgentel.com)
11:21.34mickeylk-s: of course. I have added bbfiles for EFL back when no one else was interested in EFL except the E17 dudes :) that was in 2003 IIRC
11:26.28*** join/#openmoko Varox_NB (n=doug@p4FD45328.dip.t-dialin.net)
11:27.25*** join/#openmoko aloril (n=aloril@h152100.gprs.dnafinland.fi)
11:27.56Sup3rkiddohi all, http://sudharsh.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/odeviced-progress-report-p/ ..please check it out
11:29.47raster<- dude
11:29.56rwhitbymorning
11:33.10Sup3rkiddothis of course, is my gsoc project :P
11:33.57*** join/#openmoko Outlander (n=outlande@unaffiliated/outlander)
11:37.48*** join/#openmoko alex-weej (n=alex@cpc1-acto9-0-0-cust931.brnt.cable.ntl.com)
11:38.26XorAjosch: 53M
11:38.51josch\o/
11:38.59joschdoes it boot?
11:39.05joschwhat is removed?
11:39.11XorAjosch: no idea, ill try after lunch
11:39.16XorAand nothing essential removed
11:39.24XorAjust cruft
11:39.44joschlike gtk and stuff
11:40.21joschSup3rkiddo, he screenshot are good for everything - even cli stuff :P
11:40.40Sup3rkiddohehe
11:41.25*** join/#openmoko tux1337 (n=tux1337@Md313.m.pppool.de)
11:42.05*** join/#openmoko chi-cha-chucky (n=880_liev@194.95.40.38)
11:43.01*** join/#openmoko emonkey (n=emonkey@edu-34.204.zhaw.ch)
11:44.51*** join/#openmoko miip (n=miip@p54A54504.dip.t-dialin.net)
11:45.56*** join/#openmoko vaiursch (n=erwin@84-72-189-27.dclient.hispeed.ch)
11:46.42*** join/#openmoko spydon (n=spydon@h35n5c1o1036.bredband.skanova.com)
11:48.53*** join/#openmoko smancke (n=smancke@ip-62-143-122-209.hsi.ish.de)
11:50.15*** join/#openmoko milo_ (n=nilsense@dslb-088-078-250-036.pools.arcor-ip.net)
12:00.08*** join/#openmoko edistar_ (n=edistar@ip503ddd09.speed.planet.nl)
12:02.35*** join/#openmoko MetaMorfoziS (n=avr@3e44b94c.adsl.enternet.hu)
12:02.56CIA-43openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rd51a0ed8204f 10/conf/machine/om-gta01.conf: om-gta01.conf : add tar.bz2 image types for people who want to boot SD
12:02.58*** join/#openmoko haakeyar (n=haakeyar@c9C364BC1.dhcp.bluecom.no)
12:03.50spyremickeyl: how about adding fso.SMS.ListMessages a parameter called type (again feel free to rename) which maps to +cmgl's stat parameter
12:04.51*** join/#openmoko BDo (n=bdonnett@195.70.5.235)
12:05.12*** join/#openmoko Mathiasdm (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be)
12:06.49spyremickeyl: I'm trying to think of ways to be able to support sms application and still remain low level
12:10.50*** join/#openmoko Bumbl (n=Unknown@91-113-58-22.adsl.highway.telekom.at)
12:11.18*** join/#openmoko apol|work (n=pol@xwing4.upc.es)
12:17.32spyremickeyl: I'm also pondering about SMS if.. is it necessary at all? Is e.g. pyPim(p)d going to fetch sms messages, store them to it's own storage and delete them from sim automatically?
12:17.45*** part/#openmoko BDo (n=bdonnett@195.70.5.235)
12:18.55*** join/#openmoko larry_jr (n=Larry@200.184.118.132)
12:18.59*** join/#openmoko VladoK (n=vlado@92-60-53-2.rev.bonet.sk)
12:19.08*** part/#openmoko VladoK (n=vlado@92-60-53-2.rev.bonet.sk)
12:26.05spyremickeyl: maybe it could only contain SendMessage(message,contents) and signals, rest could imho move to SIM if and SIM if have SendMessage(index)
12:26.49XorAjosch: it boots
12:27.05josch\o/
12:27.09joschupload it !!
12:27.10tedoyes! make qemu-local was successful
12:27.19XorAjosch: Im getting buildhost to build it
12:27.24josch:-)
12:31.59CIA-43openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r45885b30b113 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb : fix om-gta01 RDEPENDS bump PR
12:31.59CIA-43openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r305a75151675 10/packages/e17/e-wm_cvs.bb: e-wm_cvs.bb : granualise the packaging to reduce .ipk size
12:32.43XorArootfs                   61.1M     55.0M      6.1M  90% /
12:34.43rastergood job
12:34.46rasternb
12:34.56rasteru probably can nuke imlib2 from it now
12:35.01rasteri have some patches i need to git-push
12:35.41*** part/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e182060023.adsl.alicedsl.de)
12:35.50rasterepsilon no longer needs imlib2 as of today - removed it as its just a silly dep
12:37.14*** join/#openmoko lsobral (n=sobral@200.184.118.132)
12:39.40*** join/#openmoko jaebird (n=jaebird@unaffiliated/jaebird)
12:41.12*** part/#openmoko tcostigl (n=thomas@ool-4b7fb52a.static.optonline.net)
12:41.28XorAraster: cool
12:41.46XorAe is performing nicely on gta01
12:41.55XorAqtopia not so well, it segfaults somewhere
12:42.41rasterXorA:  it performs better actually - imho :)
12:43.04XorAraster: I never took you for humble :-)
12:43.10rasterhahahah
12:43.14rasteri mean on gta012
12:43.16rastercomapred to gta02
12:44.00XorAraster: I would agree with that
12:44.09XorAslidier launcher actually works on gta01
12:44.25rasterhehehehehe
12:44.34*** join/#openmoko behdad (n=behdad@CPE001217b19226-CM0012c9c84bc4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
12:44.40rasterkick the glamo one more time for good measure
12:44.49k-sraster: wait wait wait
12:44.52k-sGIT PUSH!?
12:44.55k-sWTF?
12:44.58rasterpersonally i reallty wish we had not let the gta03 get int he way
12:45.09rastergta04 was shaping up handsomely
12:45.28SpeedEvilI'd be surprised if GTA04 was doable in 6 months.
12:45.33rasterk-s: que puta que te pario!
12:45.36*** join/#openmoko N-Mi (n=nicolas@calvix/staff/N-Mi)
12:45.36raster:)
12:45.58k-sraster: u using git... OM is making u so good
12:46.02rasteri was much in happiness with the 272x480 3" screen we had found
12:46.46SpeedEvilNo! It's gotta be 800*600 if you're going that large.
12:47.01rasterits 3" "widescreen"
12:47.07rasterits smaller than the current display in area
12:47.09k-sepsilon needs rewrite, but first needs to gather real requirements
12:47.18rasterits just a little logner and a fair bit thinner
12:47.22rastermuch slimmer
12:47.25SpeedEvilwas not being completely serious.
12:47.34rasterk-s:  epsilon code is a dogs breakfast!
12:47.43rasterk-s: i was goign thru it and wincing.
12:47.47k-sit can be so simple and so complex as we want... we need to make what we want clear... ie: will it do video thumbs?
12:47.52rasterSpeedEvil: u never know!
12:47.59*** join/#openmoko Ryback_ (n=ulisses@enlightenment/developer/ryback)
12:48.02rasterSpeedEvil:  but 272x480 in 3" is very very very nice
12:48.10k-sif so, what will we spec? framerate? lenght?
12:48.28SpeedEvilraster: I think personally, I'd like slightly larger - but that's a big ask in a phone.
12:48.43mickeylspyre: you got my intentions exactly
12:49.03mickeylspyre: GSM.SMS will be castrated to only the signal (incoming) and a way to send SMS on the fly (without storing on SIM)
12:49.14rasterits only 183dpi
12:49.16rasternot 385
12:49.18rastererr
12:49.19raster285
12:49.21mickeylspyre: i agree about ListMessages("category"), will do the necessary changes later today. thanks for reminidng
12:49.25rasterbut still thats pretty damn nice
12:49.27spyremickeyl: I'm just writing an email to standards list about this ;)
12:49.31mickeylok, great
12:49.38mickeyli'm a bit in hurry, today is public holiday in germany
12:49.41mickeyland I'm doing my taxes
12:49.42mickeyl*sigh*
12:49.47rasterif u crammed the phone down to fit that screen so tis a small phone - whihc frankly is what most people want
12:49.49mickeylthe downside of being a freelancer
12:49.55rasternot some big hulking behemoth like the gta01/02
12:50.04spyremickeyl: national day of doing taxes? ;)
12:50.15rasterit'd work out nicely
12:50.22mickeylspyre: haha, kind of :))
12:50.26SpeedEvilraster: yeah - size means nastier packaging problems of course
12:50.38rasterof course
12:50.48rasterbut the gta01/02 has a LOT of empty space in it
12:50.49rastera LOT
12:50.52rastercomapred to most phones
12:51.03SpeedEvilraster: you could gain lots if you delete the PCB, and just point-point wire it.
12:51.07SpeedEvilraster: :)
12:51.14rasterHAHAHAHAHHAHA
12:51.16raster:-P~
12:51.21rasterwel seriously tho
12:51.28rasterunder the screne is like 1mm of rubber padding
12:51.38rastertheres lots of plastic whitespace
12:51.44Zwiselistrange, i have two gentoo machines, and bitbake stops on both at the same file: NOTE: Handling BitBake files: \ (4758/5405) [88 %]
12:51.49SpeedEvilraster: Whitespace is structural.
12:52.08SpeedEvilraster: 1cc of plastic is more rigid the more it approaches a sphere.
12:52.16rasterimho make a much slimmepr (width-wise) phone
12:52.24rasterand make it abotu as tall as the current neo
12:52.25zashSpeedEvil: all components solderd to eachother instead of the board!
12:52.26rasterbut no rounded ends
12:52.33SpeedEvilraster: buttins?
12:52.48rasterand yes
12:52.51rasteradd buttons on the ends
12:53.00rasterif i had my way i'd suggest adding them on both bottom and top
12:53.04rasteradd a fair few
12:53.12SpeedEvilJust clone a PSP.
12:53.14rasterso... it'd have about the same button and controlelr count as a psp
12:53.18SpeedEvil:)
12:53.18rasterAHHAHAHA
12:53.19rasterjinx
12:53.29rastersince its the same resolution screen as a psp...
12:53.40XorApsp micro would be fun
12:53.41rasteri wonder .. if we eventually got a good 3d chip in
12:53.48rasterwe couldnt entice game makers to... do something fun
12:53.51SpeedEvilHow much was the above screen. I notice the PSP screen is about $5 in volume
12:53.56SpeedEvilHow much was the above screen. I notice the PSP screen is about $35 in volume
12:54.01XorAand armv6's can emulate PS1 at full speed
12:54.02rasteri have no idea
12:54.23rasterbut maybe a 6410 with its 3d chip
12:54.28raster(if open)
12:54.33rastercould give a psp a run for its money
12:54.33SpeedEvilraster: IMO, engineers without pricelists should be kept away from the design process.
12:54.38rasteractually it' likely thrash it
12:54.40rastersolidly
12:54.49Zwiseliwtf? Error validating server certificate for 'https://svn.projects.openmoko.org:443'
12:55.00rasterSpeedEvil: i alwasy ask if its going to be reasonable
12:55.04rasterand i ewas told its a godo deal
12:55.08rastercheaper than out 2.8" vga
12:55.12rasterby a fair bit
12:55.16rasterno idea the exact price
12:55.17rasterbut less
12:55.19rasterand i ewas happy
12:55.28rasteras i thought it was a good comprimise between VGA and QVGA
12:55.35rastersmaller - but still good dpi
12:55.36spyremickeyl: sent
12:55.41SpeedEvilraster: It probably is.
12:55.44rasterless grunt needed to drive it and fill it with pikshools
12:55.47XorAyou can read comics on psp screen
12:55.50rasterbut enouhg to have fun with
12:56.04rasterand a "widescreen" is bonusly good when vertical for reading
12:56.10rasterand when turned around -0 great for movies
12:56.29rastersao i was sitting ther e going "this.. actually.. makes.. me... HAPPY!"
12:56.34rasteri wasnt comprimising to an extreme
12:56.39rasterie mega-high dpi is night
12:56.47rasterbut u comprimise the abili8ty to fill it with good speed
12:56.54raster(without a massively grunty gpu)
12:57.01SpeedEvilAnd 6*10 fonts give a 80*25 term
12:57.04rasterso this was like the perfect middle-ground
12:57.22mickeylspyre: cool, thanks
12:57.51rasterSpeedEvil:  in landscape - with room to burn
12:57.58raster... if u have a physical kbd....
12:58.24SpeedEvilOr a transparent overlay
12:58.43rastersure
12:58.43SpeedEvilOr handwriting or speech recognition.
12:58.51rasterif u can drag it aboive/below the term
12:58.53SpeedEvilponders a lipreading phone.
12:59.04rasterso depending where your cursor is u just move it out of the way
12:59.15SpeedEvilI've used - on GTA01 - xkbd with xterm
12:59.20zashSpeedEvil: talking to a computer, wasnt that crap
12:59.22rastertho i really want to address compositing once we have the ability to do it sanely
12:59.22SpeedEvilworked OK actually.
12:59.31SpeedEvilzash: lipreading - not voice
12:59.32rasterand that screen was the ticket to being able to do it - sanely
12:59.43rastereven on a 6400 with its basic "2d" i suspect its possible
12:59.54rasterits better than the glamo - and its a "uma" arch - fb in system ram
13:00.07rasterso software fallbacks dont take a massive hit as they have no video bus to contend with
13:00.10*** join/#openmoko bentob0x (n=laurent@ip-213-49-71-46.dsl.scarlet.be)
13:01.04zashSpeedEvil: diff yes, but probably similar in practice?
13:01.39SpeedEvilzash: actually better
13:01.45rasterwhat do u guys think of closed-src for games?
13:01.46SpeedEvilzash: at least for static use with good vision
13:01.54rasterlike "its an acceptable exception" ?
13:02.02SpeedEvilraster: if I can choose to buy it or not, no problem at all
13:02.17raster(because its not an essential system component u rely on day to day but somehting u play for a while- get bored of, move on" ?
13:02.22rastersure
13:02.24rasteralwasy the choice
13:02.26rasteralways
13:02.34mjrproprietary entertainment is something I do even sometimes buy
13:02.47XorAI like Id softwares policy, a window to make money, then source release
13:02.48rasterjust mulling if u could entice any of the games biz to port their stuff over
13:02.52zashSpeedEvil: but, for bash || shell stuff?
13:03.02rasterXorA:  yeah. that soudns good to me
13:03.11SpeedEvilI want to buy for my phone (well, I don't want - but if it's the only way they'd get done) - voice recognition - OCR - mapping
13:03.19mjrI don't think anything for the phone would entice me sufficiently
13:03.22mjrthough
13:03.25SpeedEvilzash: works just fine
13:03.33SpeedEvilI view games like mp3
13:03.38XorAwe could have the only phone that runs quake3 arena :-)
13:03.39rastermjr:  u got a psp?
13:03.52mjrno
13:03.53rasterSpeedEvil:  same. its consumable media - except it ALSO happens to execute :)
13:04.08mjrand yeah, what SpeedEvil said
13:04.09SpeedEvilSure you have source, but actually performing it can take some skill.
13:04.11rastermjr:  aaah. cool things them is.
13:04.16*** join/#openmoko tfh-lieven (n=880_liev@194.95.40.111)
13:04.25rastergreat for keping u amused on planes, trains, busses and otherise idle times
13:04.30mjrdoesn't require much in the way of portable games
13:04.38*** join/#openmoko Hatty_ (n=Hatty@203.193.154.146)
13:04.44rastersome peole dont
13:04.49rasterbut the games industry aint small
13:04.57rastera lot of people like entertainment
13:04.57raster:)
13:05.09*** join/#openmoko netx (n=rlange@osiris.darkempire.org)
13:05.20mjrthe free simple games like which om has shipped with are just fine for portable entertainment
13:05.22XorAgames are good when all your cpu's are at 100% waiting for qtopia to finish building
13:05.29mjrthough I do play the occasional ut2k4 at home
13:05.41zashsomeone port frozen-bubble and the fr will sell like cake!
13:05.46zashdelicious cake
13:06.15zashmade of AWESOME
13:06.32SpeedEvilThe one problem I have with the smaller res screen is that nethack is marginal on it.
13:06.41SpeedEvil:)
13:07.20*** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@afsconf120-51.njit.edu)
13:07.27zashSpeedEvil: screew lipreading!
13:07.28zashhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/22/researchers-develop-robotic-brain-computer-interface/
13:07.39zash;)
13:07.49SpeedEvilhammers 47 contacts into zashs skull.
13:08.42zashhm, was the matrix scifi or prediction?
13:09.00zashone wonders
13:12.14zashhm, frozen-bubble on smallscreened device with accelerometers
13:12.37zashtilt to aim, AUX to shoot?
13:13.08zashalso, tetris
13:14.55zashmultiplayer fb over bt?
13:17.24*** part/#openmoko fenfir (n=fenfir@adsl-64-219-109-77.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net)
13:18.00zashmjr: ut2k4?
13:18.39*** join/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e182060023.adsl.alicedsl.de)
13:20.17*** join/#openmoko christoos1 (n=matic@cpe-92-37-26-167.dynamic.amis.net)
13:21.34XorAzash: Unreal Tornament 2004
13:21.57zashknows, and owns it
13:22.11XorAfires a redeemer at zash
13:22.24zashshoots the redeemer with sniper
13:22.52malik1972are u ok?
13:23.42Sup3rkiddoCounter Strike FTW!
13:23.58zashoriginal ut > cs
13:24.03Sup3rkiddono its not
13:24.14Sup3rkiddotakes a desert eagle and head shots zash
13:24.20malik1972no, u are not ok
13:24.26emilis_infoqw
13:24.36*** join/#openmoko Svenasch780 (n=l@92.117.44.226)
13:25.14XorAlocks 6 homing rockets onto Sup3rkiddo
13:25.29Sup3rkiddo6?!
13:25.33Sup3rkiddooboy
13:25.52Sup3rkiddoperforms hara-kiri than die in the hands of XorA
13:25.55malik1972xora: any progress on an asu gta01 image?
13:25.58*** join/#openmoko stefreak (n=stefreak@frnk-4d01ebe7.pool.mediaWays.net)
13:26.02XorAhasnt gone to war in Unreal for ages
13:26.12XorAmalik1972: it boots, and e works
13:26.25Sup3rkiddoXorA, got screenshots
13:26.27zashsomeone port ut to openmoko!
13:26.34zashalso, starcraft
13:26.36malik1972xora: that sounds good
13:26.46XorASup3rkiddo: nope
13:26.55XorASup3rkiddo: thats the communities job :-)
13:26.55Sup3rkiddoXorA, scap it please?
13:26.59malik1972xora: any problems u encountered
13:27.07XorASup3rkiddo: there isnt enough flash to install scap
13:27.23*** join/#openmoko renato (n=renato@200.184.118.132)
13:27.25Sup3rkiddoERROR: '/home/sudharsh/Projects/openmoko/openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb' failed, anyone getting this while make openmoko-devel-image
13:27.43Sup3rkiddolooks like clobbering and starting afresh wasnt a good idea :/
13:29.54malik1972xora: can you upload the image?
13:31.13XorAmalik1972: not in a sensible time
13:31.13*** join/#openmoko Tjikkun (n=tjikkun@h89220243036.dsl.mijnabel.nl)
13:31.42malik1972define sensible;-)
13:31.50*** join/#openmoko k-s (n=gustavo@201.82.9.119)
13:32.59*** join/#openmoko k-s (n=gustavo@201.82.9.119)
13:33.10XorAmalik1972: in a time before I get pissed off for a few hows using all my upstream bandwidth
13:33.49*** join/#openmoko tubastian (n=tubastia@p508CF016.dip.t-dialin.net)
13:34.30malik1972ok
13:35.12*** join/#openmoko doron (n=Ofek@87.68.77.7.cable.012.net.il)
13:37.58*** join/#openmoko zefanja (n=zefanja@drsd-4db29c5e.pool.einsundeins.de)
13:38.04*** join/#openmoko wipf (n=wipf@dslb-084-056-209-004.pools.arcor-ip.net)
13:38.23*** join/#openmoko AzalynHD (n=junon@mcbain.semsolutions.com)
13:44.45*** part/#openmoko tedo (n=cta@HSI-KBW-091-089-001-218.hsi2.kabelbw.de)
13:45.16*** join/#openmoko theholyduck (n=theholyd@217.172.56.77)
13:46.05*** join/#openmoko xx14 (n=averkhov@cs181098240.pp.htv.fi)
13:52.58*** join/#openmoko N-Mi (n=nicolas@calvix/staff/N-Mi)
13:53.48*** join/#openmoko Zwiseli (n=andy@dsl1.puzzle.ch)
13:54.11*** join/#openmoko retracile_ (n=eli@76-204-213-211.lightspeed.allntx.sbcglobal.net)
13:57.16*** join/#openmoko stefreak (n=stefreak@frnk-4d00ecb7.pool.mediaWays.net)
14:01.06joschraster, well you "found" a 272x480 3" screen? for what? gta04?
14:01.17rasteryes
14:01.32josch:/
14:01.33joschokay
14:01.38rasterit was wedged between my toenails
14:01.42rasterbrb
14:02.40mjrwell. as long as gta04 is umts ;]
14:02.49*** join/#openmoko raster (n=raster@124-170-255-224.dyn.iinet.net.au)
14:03.58rasterand as promised.... back and stenchy
14:05.43XorAturns on the channel aircon
14:06.38theholyduckthis channel seems to have grown a bit since the last time i looked in here
14:06.39Dunedanraster: 272x480 for gta04 is a bad joke, isn't it?
14:07.01theholyduckits like.. its suddenly become,,,
14:07.05theholyduckpopular?
14:07.21rasterDunedan:  no? why?
14:08.20DunedanWhy to step back from vga? The resolution of the displays of mobile phones/pdas is increasing, but gta04 should have less than the current models?
14:09.00rasterbecause lack of high end gpu to drive that many pixels
14:09.00XorAthe HTC phones are still QVGA
14:09.06rasterthink of it this way
14:09.13XorAthey have gpu and no drivers though :-(
14:09.14rasteru can go around thinking that cars should just get faster
14:09.16rasterhigher top speeds
14:09.23*** join/#openmoko j_ack (n=rudi@dsbg-4db7c533.pool.einsundeins.de)
14:09.23rasterbut in fact there is more to the top speed
14:09.27rasteracceleration 0-100
14:09.31rasteror more practical
14:09.32raster0-60
14:09.36rasterthings like handling
14:09.38rastersafety etc.
14:09.44rasterits NOT all a race to the top
14:09.46theholyduckmaintance?
14:09.51theholyduckand fuel economy
14:09.52rasterMOST of you can't even see the dpi
14:10.02rasteri ahev seen people and their eyesight
14:10.17rasterthat screen (2.8") is at the LIMIT of my own eyesight
14:10.23DunedanWith closed-source-drivers it seems to be possible. Just look at the SE Xperia X1.
14:10.24rasterand i'm right at the top of the curve
14:10.29theholyduckis scared of when people will start using 3d displays
14:10.32rastermost peolpe see with much less fidelity
14:10.38rasterits like the mhz myth
14:10.52theholyduck3d displays are evil
14:10.54theholyduckEVIl
14:10.54raster"but come on a 3.4gzhz p4 - they wen DOWN to 2ghz for the core2!!"
14:10.56theholyduckjust saying
14:11.12theholyduckraster, we all know that the more mhz = moar powaaar
14:11.16rasterDunedan:  we are not doing closed
14:11.17theholyduckTOTALLY MAN
14:11.21XorAheh heh, its like people who grow up in the new digital world have worse hearing and eyesight than people who grew up in the analogue world
14:11.25rasterand there there is the problem of any drivers existing at all
14:11.27rasteropen OR closed
14:11.32rasteralso supply of chips and more
14:11.39theholyduckis bored
14:11.52Dunedanthe answer is simple: open. But vga seems to be possible atm with open-source-drivers. So why not in future?
14:12.11rasterdude - try and ANIMATE it
14:12.16rastertry and composite
14:12.20rasterdo blending
14:12.28rasterdo the kind of eefects u seeon the iphone
14:12.33rasterthat peolpe keep pestering for
14:12.35rasteru CAN do it
14:12.36XorAraster: DOES IT BLEND :-)
14:12.40rasterif u reduce the pixel count
14:12.58rasterand get some more grunt
14:13.00rasterXorA:  heheheh
14:13.15rastervga is overkill
14:13.17rasterseriously
14:13.21rasteras i said
14:13.29rastermost people really cant SEE the pixels
14:13.34rasterthey cant tell the difference
14:13.44SpeedEvilYes you can!
14:13.50rasterthe vast majority would see even the 480x272 as blury and unable to read it
14:13.51SpeedEvilThe pixels are clearly visible at 5cm
14:14.32XorAat 5cm I cant even focus on the screen
14:14.38XorAits well inside my focus point :-)
14:14.38rasterHAHAHAHAH
14:15.30*** join/#openmoko christooss (n=matic@cpe-92-37-31-208.dynamic.amis.net)
14:15.32diego_at_workexcept if you use navit ^^
14:15.45SpeedEvilYou need to get to at least 2* eye resolution before the resolution is irrelevant.
14:16.39SpeedEvil(given adequate antialiasing)
14:18.41diego_at_workseriously, gta01 rock when you run navit or other gps application (except for being quite slow :) )
14:19.00SpeedEviltangogps++
14:19.46mjrwould like route mapping though (yes yes, osm is suboptimal for that, anyway)
14:19.56diego_at_worktangogps have a problem, without a gprs connection you need to download tons of of tiles
14:19.57rasterthe problem is the slowness
14:20.11rastersolve the slowness by putting up less pixels
14:20.20rasterup the cpu and mem bandwidth
14:20.34rasterthen worry about higher res later when the processing power exists for it
14:20.35*** join/#openmoko behdad (n=behdad@209.167.232.100)
14:20.47*** join/#openmoko gambler (n=orion@124-171-168-203.dyn.iinet.net.au)
14:20.53SpeedEvilScrolling can be done lots better using a virtual screen
14:21.24*** join/#openmoko alex-weej (n=alex@cpc1-acto9-0-0-cust931.brnt.cable.ntl.com)
14:21.33diego_at_workwith tangogps, scroll is quite fast and responsive
14:21.57SpeedEvilyeah
14:24.51AzalynHDI think a lot of people would be severely disappointed at 480x272 ... :\
14:25.03AzalynHDand i don't think the cpu analogy is accurate.
14:25.52AzalynHDi think whether or not people 'notice' the extra pixels will depend on the application in question.
14:27.26AzalynHDI don't see why the GTA04 plan has to take a step backwards everywhere. Perhaps it would be better to see what people say about the freerunner when it launches, what features on it they like best.
14:27.29AzalynHDAnd then see.
14:27.57AzalynHDEven if the GPU is hard to use, maybe someone will come along and find a way to master it, after all, it is an open platform. So that possibility is there.
14:27.58*** join/#openmoko jannu_ (n=jannu@hoas-fe20dd00-223.dhcp.inet.fi)
14:29.12SpeedEvilIt's not
14:29.31SpeedEvilThe graphics accelerator on GTA02 is in many ways a negative.
14:29.50SpeedEvilIt shares a very slow bus with the CPU, SD and graphics card.
14:29.59AzalynHDyeah i know, i've heard the arguments..
14:30.02SpeedEvilYou can only use one thing at once. CPU, SD, or graphics card.
14:30.12SpeedEvilAnd the accelerator on the GTA04 is better.
14:30.17SpeedEvil(in principle)
14:30.24AzalynHDI didn't know there was an accelerator.
14:30.26AzalynHDfor gta04
14:30.36SpeedEvilit's builtin to the CPU
14:30.46AzalynHDi thought they were just ditching the gpu altogether.
14:31.03SpeedEvilit's builtin to the CPU, you can't ditch it - GTA02 uses a seperate chip
14:31.05AzalynHDdid they find an soc that had a good design?
14:31.09*** join/#openmoko Gybrush (n=Gybrush@f053152170.adsl.alicedsl.de)
14:31.11SpeedEvilmostly
14:31.33*** join/#openmoko kuzgun (n=deniz@unaffiliated/kuzgun)
14:31.37*** join/#openmoko wirrwarr (n=fz@ppp-88-217-67-182.dynamic.mnet-online.de)
14:32.03*** join/#openmoko MetaMorfoziS (n=khmhm@dsl5402D6B0.pool.t-online.hu)
14:33.02*** join/#openmoko stefreak (n=stefreak@frnk-4d01ccc7.pool.mediaWays.net)
14:38.36*** join/#openmoko dougt (n=dougt@c-67-180-89-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
14:44.09*** join/#openmoko fenfir (n=fenfir@206.255.217.100)
14:45.12*** join/#openmoko zedstar_ (n=john@82-44-200-69.cable.ubr08.haye.blueyonder.co.uk)
14:47.53*** join/#openmoko krau (n=cktakaha@200.184.118.132)
14:48.47*** join/#openmoko mibo-cz (n=mibo-cz@ip-89-102-134-143.karneval.cz)
14:51.51*** join/#openmoko juri_ (n=juri@ip70-178-3-140.ks.ks.cox.net)
14:52.04juri_thats a first. my openmoko died while plugged into USB.
14:53.01juri_not even making a call. i *knew* it getting onto the gsm network the first boot was a bad sign.
14:54.14juri_these charging issues are a mite bit annoying. any chance i can get an external charger for a GTA01 battery, so i can keep one charged, one in my bleeding-out openmoko?
14:54.42*** part/#openmoko zefanja (n=zefanja@drsd-4db29c5e.pool.einsundeins.de)
14:55.06diego_at_workit was a powered usb?
14:55.31juri_yepyep. i used it to get enough charge to boot.. THEN it died, while still plugged in.
14:55.47juri_i made two phone calls inbetween.
14:56.10juri_and it drained itsself enough that i'm waiting for a trickle-charge again.
14:56.21SpeedEvilDid you have usb-net module loaded?
14:56.26SpeedEvilI mean cdc-ether
14:56.38juri_by definition, yes.
14:56.49juri_my debian box always has it loaded.
14:57.03*** join/#openmoko ahven (n=kala@194.126.113.140)
14:57.26juri_this is with last night's kernel loaded onto it.
14:57.35diego_at_workare you ssh connected with the gta01?
14:57.52SpeedEvilssh connection isn't important
14:58.08SpeedEvilas long as the module is loaded and it's connected to a root hub or a powered hub
14:58.25juri_right now, i'm just waiting for it to charge. to ssh, all i do is "ifdown usb0; ifup usb0; /etc/init.d/ipmasq restart; ssh 192.168.2.2"
14:58.28diego_at_workno, but in this way you are sure that gta01 was recognized ^^
14:58.32*** join/#openmoko christoos1 (n=matic@cpe-92-37-24-215.dynamic.amis.net)
14:58.36juri_(yes, i changed its address, to not conflict with my network.)
14:59.12juri_my debian box has not had an upgrade in months. my openmoko got a opkg upgrade last night.
14:59.38juri_and all it upgraded was kernel stuffs.
14:59.55juri_ok, trickle charge got it to boot.
15:01.04juri_here i was, waiting for an important phone call.
15:03.14juri_ok, cdc_ether is loaded, the device 1457:5122 is visible via lsusb (as root), and usb0 is visible. lets see it do it again.
15:03.38*** part/#openmoko thos (i=thomas@88-96-30-69.dsl.zen.co.uk)
15:04.00juri_actually.. first, reboot, as no gsm network..
15:04.06*** join/#openmoko Sup3rkiddo (n=sudharsh@unaffiliated/sudharsh)
15:04.08*** part/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e182060023.adsl.alicedsl.de)
15:04.09juri_oh, there we go.
15:04.15*** join/#openmoko mboldisc (n=mike@c-66-41-225-167.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
15:04.23juri_it still says "registering" even tho its online.
15:04.42SpeedEviljuri_: cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt
15:04.48*** join/#openmoko freelock (n=john@logan.freelock.com)
15:04.51diego_at_workare you using neo for important phone call?
15:05.01juri_on the openmoko, i presume?
15:05.18juri_diego: i moved over to only using my openmoko a few weeks ago.
15:05.32juri_and i'm job hunting. darwin at work. :)
15:07.00juri_speed: 3691
15:07.54juri_live by free software, die by free software, i say. :P
15:08.20*** join/#openmoko icman (n=icman@123-240-172-143.cctv.dynamic.lsc.net.tw)
15:09.36diego_at_workyou should be hired as a betatester ^^
15:09.59*** join/#openmoko N-Mi (n=nicolas@calvix/staff/N-Mi)
15:10.04juri_i even used my openmoko to do my job interview with the FSF.
15:10.28mjr:)
15:10.42mwesterjuri_:  I've noticed this happening rather regularly.  If your GTA01 is suspending, it seems that resume does not always detect the USB and go to "fastcharge", but it also seems that at some random points even without suspend, it drops to the 100ma charge rate.
15:10.58mwesterI have done no further debugging to see what's happening...
15:11.07juri_my GTA01 is set to "dim only, don't lock" to prevent suspension.
15:11.33juri_suspend was killing my unit every time i set the thing down.
15:12.52mjrI was surprised to have it actually come up from suspend. Didn't think to test the phone functionality before rebooting, though.
15:13.31juri_i'm a heavy cell-phone user.
15:13.35mwestermjr: mine regularly come out of suspend.
15:13.48mwesterAnd almost always can make and recieve phone calls and SMS
15:13.52diego_at_workmine: 9 times on 10
15:13.59juri_to be fair, the last time i tested suspend, was two kernel upgrades ago.
15:14.05mwester(of course, I'm running a patched kernel)
15:14.26juri_kicks mwester. submit to mainline!
15:14.43*** join/#openmoko andreas___ (n=chatzill@213.221.86.170)
15:15.05mwesterWhat parts of it are clean enough have been submitted.  Most but not all are in the current builds.
15:15.12*** join/#openmoko bentob0x (n=laurent@ip-213-49-71-46.dsl.scarlet.be)
15:16.18mwesterThere is a set of hacks that are beyond ugly; what to do with those depends on the response from OM regarding the GSM flow-control bugs.  If they confirm that the GSM itself does not flow-control properly but only in some cases, then perhaps another workaround is possible.
15:17.03juri_and.. dialer crashes...
15:17.08XorAwishes he could lock the right set of people in a room and refuse to let them go until they worked that out
15:17.51diego_at_workthink "there will be only one"
15:18.37mwesterunderstands that there are other priorities at the moment, but wishes that a target date could be set for when further discussion could resume.
15:19.14juri_you would think support for the thousand-odd phones in the wild would be a priority. :)
15:19.23*** part/#openmoko LetoTo (n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com)
15:19.47mwesterOn a positive note, the GTA02 (perhaps because of the larger UART FIFO) does not seem to be affected.
15:19.52juri_at least the "tick tick tick tick buzz buzz buzz buzz" when placing calls is gone.
15:20.16juri_oh, so i get to spend ANOTHER $500 to get a phone that actually works this time? :P
15:20.37*** join/#openmoko milos_ (n=milos@92.36.183.120)
15:20.51*** join/#openmoko christooss (n=matic@cpe-92-37-18-17.dynamic.amis.net)
15:20.58XorAonly $400
15:21.13diego_at_workbetter: only $399
15:21.15juri_(i can reuse my current jtag kit then?)
15:21.20XorAjuri_: yes
15:21.24juri_oh good.
15:21.36juri_i've only bricked this thing once.. but still. :)
15:21.40XorAdebug board didnt change enough to make it worth buying another
15:21.59XorAstill has an old old debug board
15:23.28*** join/#openmoko mortenlysgaard (n=mortenly@85.221.51.76)
15:25.12balrog-k1njuri_: no, you get to spend $N to get a phone that only works better than GTA01
15:25.27balrog-k1nit's still a development device and this one isn't going to be supported for long either
15:29.04SpeedEvilmwester: yay (on 02)
15:31.22juri_balrog: given that, i think i'll stick with my GTA01.
15:31.43juri_theres obvious spots the software stack needs help.
15:32.35SpeedEvilHehe.
15:32.45SpeedEvilThere's a couple of spots it doesn't.
15:33.08*** join/#openmoko imcsk8 (n=ichavero@148.229.1.11)
15:33.36juri_the clock works. if i could figure out how to get ntpupdate thats on it to speak the udp protocol, or find a proper timeserver...
15:33.43balrog-k1njuri_: but you'll be laughed at by everyone who got a gta02 :)
15:33.46SpeedEvilI cheat.
15:34.00SpeedEvil#!/bin/ash
15:34.01SpeedEvildate `ssh 192.168.0.200  date "+%m%d%H%M%Y.%S"`
15:34.14mwesterYou all worry too much -- the 01 will be supported; it'll just take a bit more community effort to make it so.
15:34.22juri_balrog: i'm kinda used to that. after all, i'm the LAST developer of openmosix.
15:35.00juri_worse, i'm good friends with a lot of the kernel development team... who spend their time berating me for working on openmosix, instead of things useful to them.
15:35.06juri_i'm actually a bit bitter about that.
15:35.42balrog-k1n:p
15:35.49balrog-k1njuri_: so no success looking for more staff?
15:36.01*** join/#openmoko smancke (n=smancke@ip-62-143-122-209.hsi.ish.de)
15:36.27juri_negative. i've found two old developers, with personal issues against the old project leader. so the first thing i have to do is rename the project, per their request.
15:36.52*** join/#openmoko s-corp (i=ignis@2a01:48:100:13b:1:a:bad:1)
15:36.52*** join/#openmoko wirrwarr (n=fz@ppp-88-217-75-113.dynamic.mnet-online.de)
15:37.10*** join/#openmoko kdean06 (n=kdean06@fsf/member/kdean06)
15:37.36juri_i can't even get someone to review the documentation i've spent three months developing.
15:37.51juri_</bitter> :P
15:39.22*** join/#openmoko daMaestro (n=jon@fedora/damaestro)
15:39.23balrog-k1naww
15:40.13balrog-k1nyou should try to recruit Linus T.
15:40.29juri_i don't like linus. :P
15:40.39juri_is Free Software, not Open Source.
15:40.39balrog-k1nhe's probably bored with his current project already
15:40.55balrog-k1nah ok
15:40.58Qwellbalrog-k1n: his silly kernel?  That'll never take off :)
15:41.10juri_it will take me years to forgive him for the bitkeeper fiasco.
15:41.46kdean06I hear he's being groomed by Sun. ;)
15:41.49tessier_juri_: How did the bitkeeper fiasco affect you?
15:41.55juri_at least he eventually figgured it out. but it took andrew archelangi(sp?) to show him the light. IMO, AA, MM, and _A_ should take over. :P
15:42.23juri_tessier:only politically.
15:42.42theholyducklinux, a os divided?
15:42.54juri_i spent the last ten years turning in my badge any time an employer asked me to use proprietary software. linus isn't up to my free software moral standards.
15:43.04balrog-k1nQwell: yeah, i don't think it even runs on my toaster
15:43.21juri_needless to say, i've had a rough carreer. :)
15:43.41theholyduckjuri_, standing up for what you believe in eh?
15:44.30juri_theholyduck: hense, why i'm using ONLY an openmoko. linux on my pda, linux on my phone, linux on my servers, linux on my laptops. now i need a linux-running digital camera.
15:44.55mjrwants a free camera too
15:45.07juri_i feel like i'm fighting the tide, but as one guy said (oh so romantically, i might add), "at least one of us is trying."
15:45.36Qwelljuri_: You know the FreeRunner has proprietary bits in it too, right?
15:45.50Qwellhardware stuff, gsm firmware..
15:45.51balrog-k1nhears the recent Cannon cameras can be reflashed with a free firmware
15:45.56balrog-k1nit's a bit of a hack though
15:46.07*** join/#openmoko goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@208.84-48-176.nextgentel.com)
15:46.13juri_qwell: i'm aware, i need to do a debian-style cleasing of my openmoko, and my pda. but its closer than just running a proprietary OS.
15:46.20balrog-k1nbut they make great pictures with this firmware
15:46.28*** join/#openmoko milos_ (n=milos@92.36.140.199)
15:47.00mjrthe fr shouldn't need any proprietary bits on the om side, at least
15:47.04juri_i'll start cleaning my house of proprietary bits, once i've got a new release of GNU GIFT, and openmosix.
15:47.08mjrand gta01 only for gps
15:47.24*** part/#openmoko pyknite (n=pyknite@pub1.heig-vd.ch)
15:48.01mjr(so is functional without)
15:48.20theholyduckROW ROW. FIGHT DA POwAH?
15:48.22theholyduckanyone?
15:48.24SpeedEvilThere are 7 processors in GTA02. We can code for 1.
15:48.49mjranyway, that canon thing is interesting, have to look if I'll need a replacement for my pana
15:49.17mjrnot replacing for the sake of it since canon isn't involved ;P
15:49.22theholyduckactually im planning on building myself a beast of a linux laptop
15:49.48theholyducktired of my old broken laptop
15:50.38theholyducki was amazed when i saw it actually. i didnt know you could get laptops with quadcores :P
15:50.40juri_theholyduck: i'd recomend picking your components carefully. i managed to get a atheros chipset running on the new open source only drivers recently. yay! :)
15:50.56theholyduckjuri_, well this is a fully build your own laptop system :P
15:50.58juri_now i can stop giving away madwifi cards. :)
15:51.16theholyduckyou get to chose all the hardware you want in it
15:51.17juri_(and get rid of my pile of bcm43xx boards)
15:51.31theholyduckso no matter what wifi card i want. i could get it :P
15:51.39theholyduckbut its a tad bit huge.
15:51.48theholyduckyou can fit 3 hardrives and a bluray burner in it
15:51.51theholyduckif you wanted to :P
15:53.23juri_well, it appears my openmoko is charging properly this time. thanks for the command line to check my battery charge. :)
15:53.53theholyduckah computer developement.
15:54.13theholyduckloooks dreamy for no apparent reason
15:54.40juri_ah, free software developers.
15:54.46juri_looks dreamy too. :P
15:55.03theholyduck:P
15:56.20theholyduckim not requring 100% free software
15:56.26theholyducklike i run mplayer/mencoder.
15:56.32theholyduckand thats not completely free
15:56.39theholyduckwhen you got w32codecs atleast
16:01.23*** join/#openmoko pgssgp (n=pradeep@203.193.154.146)
16:04.27*** join/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e182060023.adsl.alicedsl.de)
16:10.31kdean06Where do I find the latest ASU images, or must I build one myself?
16:10.52balrog-k1nat downloads.o.o i think
16:10.56*** join/#openmoko jadams (n=jadams@rrcs-24-73-180-234.se.biz.rr.com)
16:11.32kdean06Ah, good. The Quickstart is a bit behind. :S
16:11.43kdean06Thanks balrog-k1n
16:14.43malik1972kdean06: i guess http://downloads.openmoko.org/asu/
16:15.17tessier_So, can I buy a Frerunner yet?
16:15.25kdean06malik1972, I've got it, thanks.
16:16.34malik1972kdean06: what is your intention with the images, do u have a freerunner?
16:16.41*** join/#openmoko k-s (n=gustavo@201.82.9.119)
16:16.55*** join/#openmoko Wiedi (n=wiedi@newton-air.w.fruky.net)
16:17.05*** join/#openmoko ccube (n=ccube@ssh.ccube.de)
16:17.06kdean06malik1972, Yes.
16:17.52malik1972kdean06: okay
16:17.53*** join/#openmoko Mathiasdm (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be)
16:18.43*** join/#openmoko Bumbl (n=Unknown@212-183-116-14.adsl.highway.telekom.at)
16:19.16*** part/#openmoko s-corp (i=ignis@2a01:48:100:13b:1:a:bad:1)
16:21.13CIA-43openmoko: 03olv 07org.openmoko.dev * r8350ec766e73 10/packages/openmoko-projects/diversity-maps-providence_20080430.bb: [diversity] Add another map file
16:21.14CIA-43openmoko: 03ich 07org.openmoko.dev * r0225e8064ac8 10/packages/openmoko-projects/diversity-maps-taipei_20080430.bb: [diversity] Bump the PR as olv changed the upstream http file...
16:22.15Qwellkdean06: they seem less hurlable.
16:22.25*** join/#openmoko N-Mi (n=nicolas@calvix/staff/N-Mi)
16:22.37kdean06?
16:22.43Qwellthe freerunner
16:22.53kdean06"Less" compared to what?
16:22.58Qwell1973
16:23.06kdean06Why so?
16:23.07Qwellor a brick
16:23.14*** join/#openmoko pleemans (n=peter@d51A5E76A.access.telenet.be)
16:23.17Qwelllighter.  weight seems great
16:23.20kdean06lol
16:23.33kdean06I like the fading in and out. I'd prefer to preserve that. :D
16:24.17*** join/#openmoko Kero (n=kero@i134011.upc-i.chello.nl)
16:24.24malik1972are there more screenshots from asu? and what about the asu flash animation
16:25.16malik1972d/more/
16:25.32mwesterkdean06:  the fade is definitely a nice feature.  It should be possible to backport or to do an equivalent on the neo1973, though.
16:25.43Qwellfade?
16:26.02kdean06mwester, Is that an X thing, or a power management or... ?
16:26.06*** join/#openmoko rob_w (n=bob@X100f.x.pppool.de)
16:26.22kdean06I figured it was hardware, since it does it on uBoot.
16:26.24mwesterQwell: The display doesn't go from 0 to full brightness at once.
16:26.28Qwelloh, right
16:26.46*** join/#openmoko holycow (n=new@mail.wjsgroup.com)
16:26.50*** join/#openmoko Dodji (n=Dodji@torimasen.com)
16:27.15mwesterkdean06:  It could be hardware on the 02, but I think not.  Regardless, we can probably mimic the effect in software.
16:27.47mwesterIt adds a touch of "completeness" and "polish" to the device... quite nice.
16:27.51kdean06malik1972, I'll be dropping screenshots and video of ASU, as well as beginning my daily reviews of it "soon"... Within the next few days and perhaps as early as tonight.
16:27.59kdean06Right, definitely.
16:28.20malik1972kdean06: url?
16:28.30kdean06I'm not sure if it will survive to cunsumer devices, but my wife loved the black box and foam. :)
16:28.41*** join/#openmoko Mathiasdm (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be)
16:28.49kdean06malik1972, Assuming it workes properly, just check planet.openmoko.org, It should be syndicated on there.
16:29.04malik1972kdean06: thanx
16:30.18kdean06Once I begin the reviews, I'll make daily reports on the device-owners mailing list as well, though I'm going to have to seriously re-evaluate my testing system for this, with the new hardware and new software stack, so pictures and general impressions will come first.
16:30.41kdean06And, for the record, I plan to still review ASU on the Neo1973 once it's building. :D
16:30.59kdean06errr, booting. :) It builds and gets to Exquisite. :)
16:32.53*** join/#openmoko polz (n=polz@cpe-212-18-59-35.dynamic.amis.net)
16:33.20k-sis it using exquisite already?
16:33.24k-skdean06: ?
16:36.29kdean06Sorry...
16:36.50kdean06I THINK it's exquisite. Perhaps I'm wrong. The boots boot would be exquisite, no?
16:37.25k-si dunno, I know raster did it, but didn't know he added it to OM, if so: COOL
16:37.43*** join/#openmoko xaid|work (n=xaid@d150-193-215.home.cgocable.net)
16:37.48k-smine is at home/brazil, i'll install it as soon as i get there
16:38.24XorA|gonekdean06: it is
16:38.43k-sXorA|gone: cool
16:38.48kdean06Yeah. The 'SPANK SPANK SPANK" errors clued me in to it being another of Raster's brain children.
16:38.50k-skdean06: post of video of that too
16:38.58k-skdean06: lol
16:39.18k-skdean06: my company will do t-shirts with that to distribute at events/conferences
16:39.39SpeedEvilponders a 'paddle' case.
16:39.51SpeedEvilIt's got the integrated accelerometers already to keep score.
16:39.58kdean06:)
16:40.26CMSpeedEvil: Heh, would be kind of cool with the gps and all
16:40.42CMspeed, frequency and location ;)
16:41.04kdean06k-s, There's a Flash demo of the ASU around, if you've got Flash.
16:41.20k-snot yet
16:41.37kdean06I'll take soem video tonight then. :)
16:43.05k-sdid someone try to run canola on OM?
16:43.34Qwellk-s: yes, but I misread the instructions - the 1973 isn't oil resistant.
16:43.42k-slol
16:44.12k-sbtw: canola is god of music in some weird mythology
16:45.09kdean06Not the most attractive of navigations. :)
16:45.14*** join/#openmoko Mathiasdm (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be)
16:45.33k-skdean06: ?
16:45.49k-scanola itself, it on om devices
16:45.57kdean06ASU.
16:46.04k-sah
16:46.06kdean06The navigation menu has no icons.
16:46.12kdean06WEll, very few of them.
16:50.14roh<PROTECTED>
16:50.23*** join/#openmoko holymoly (n=biteme@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net)
16:50.31SpeedEvil:)
16:50.47*** join/#openmoko apol (n=apol@84.78.178.63)
16:51.16rohpropably one is directly assumed to be GTA-player *ducks*
16:51.24theholyduckroh, well it would be lulzy
16:51.31theholyduckbut like.. imagine if you're in a carcrash
16:51.33theholyduckor something
16:51.42theholyduckand then the phone lies outside the car
16:51.45theholyduckSTUNT BONUS!
16:51.57rohtheholyduck depends on the fun-understanding of the finder
16:51.58*** join/#openmoko rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@ip-89-102-255-171.karneval.cz)
16:52.16rohi was in one once, and my phone was only on half-way.. it somehow froze
16:52.24theholyduck:P
16:52.33SpeedEvilhas a node in openstreetmap tagged 'oops'.
16:52.48SpeedEvilWhere I departed the road at some 35MPH, decellerating at 1.6G
16:53.11theholyduckthis 1 time. i managed to break some ribs and stuff
16:53.13theholyduckon a bicycle
16:53.19rohwouldn have wondered reading something like that.. but hey.. atleast nobody got seriosly or permanently injured.. besides the car. that was a cube a few days later
16:53.21SpeedEvilOw.
16:53.28SpeedEvilMine too.
16:53.41theholyducki was cycling high speed down a gravel road
16:53.41SpeedEvilAnd I'd just gotten the wheel rev sensors installed
16:53.51theholyduckand as i hit the asphalt road
16:53.54SpeedEvil(gutted USB mice)
16:54.02theholyduckthat is going in another direction
16:54.10rohwe flew of a autobahn and the cops asked if anybody was injured and asked for driving and flying license after hearing the answer
16:54.39rohwas not funny at all back then. we were quite disturbed anyways
16:54.55theholyduckso i had to change the direction i was traveling
16:54.56theholyduckbut apperently...
16:54.56theholyduckthere was ice outside
16:54.56theholyduckso when hit the asphalt and was turning at high speed
16:54.56theholyducki just flew directly across the entire road
16:54.56theholyduckand into a tree
16:55.21SpeedEvil'minor' accidents can seem a hell of a lot less minor when you're inside.
16:55.21rohbtw.. renault has cool airbags and the 3-point belt for the 5th seat (back row, in the middle) is really cool.
16:55.32SpeedEvil(minor, as in no major injuries)
16:55.48theholyduckSpeedEvil, i was in a major fire once
16:55.50theholyducki thought it was pretty fun
16:55.54theholyduckas in inside
16:56.32*** part/#openmoko juri_ (n=juri@ip70-178-3-140.ks.ks.cox.net)
16:56.32theholyduckback when i was 13.
16:56.40SpeedEvilDid you light it?
16:56.46theholyduckSpeedEvil, by accident yeah
16:56.50theholyducki was making food.
16:56.53SpeedEvilOops.
16:56.55theholyduckand i turned away for 2 minutes
16:56.57SpeedEvilWas hot oil involved?
16:57.01theholyduckoil lit on fire
16:57.06theholyducki put the lid on the burning oi
16:57.08theholyduck*oil
16:57.17theholyduckbut at that time. the ventilator thingy was already on fire
16:57.57theholyduckso i call the firedepartment while i run for the fire extinguisher and tell my litle sister to get out of the house.
16:58.15theholyduckbut i couldnt put it out. and had to jump out a window
16:58.47SpeedEvil:/
16:59.19theholyduckno parents in the house
16:59.39theholyduckbut i honestly thought it was one of the more interesting experiences in my life
17:00.26SpeedEvilInteresting, sure :)
17:01.23theholyduckMAJOR adrenaline rush
17:01.23SpeedEvilyou have to tell the server to do that.
17:01.26SpeedEviloops
17:01.28*** join/#openmoko Kt_ (n=Kirsat@96.243.196.167)
17:01.38theholyduckbut since then. i've lived the booring life of a computer nerd
17:01.49theholyduck"boring"
17:12.46*** join/#openmoko LetoTo (n=paul@76-10-144-1.dsl.teksavvy.com)
17:13.50malik1972thd: how old are u?
17:14.10*** join/#openmoko rcxdude (n=rcxdude@host86-138-62-77.range86-138.btcentralplus.com)
17:14.44*** join/#openmoko Deubeuliou (n=david@AFontenayssB-151-1-73-243.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr)
17:15.57ixsnevening.
17:16.19theholyduckmalik1972, 17 now
17:16.28ixswhat's actually the status of gta01 devices? they still "supported" or ripe for trash?
17:17.59kdean06There are people who own the Neo1973 so it's not trash. :) But I don't think it's getting official support at this moment, and I'm not sure it actually will. :S
17:18.18kdean06I do know that getting ASU working on the 01 isn't a priority of Om Inc.
17:18.52*** join/#openmoko zedstar_ (n=john@82-44-200-69.cable.ubr08.haye.blueyonder.co.uk)
17:19.20malik1972theholyduck: be patient, life ist not boring
17:19.46*** join/#openmoko t_s_o (n=tso@129.84-49-131.nextgentel.com)
17:20.04theholyduckmalik1972, booring for others, not me
17:21.26malik1972thd: thats fine
17:21.29*** join/#openmoko cyrilRomain (n=cyrilRom@AToulouse-157-1-135-104.w86-221.abo.wanadoo.fr)
17:22.48mmontourArgh - NOTE: package linux-openmoko-1_2.6.24+git20080522-r0: task do_fetch: failed
17:23.51*** join/#openmoko rd_ (n=dr@vnsecurity.net)
17:26.03*** join/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e182060023.adsl.alicedsl.de)
17:27.39*** join/#openmoko maddog__ (n=maddog@static-64-222-186-101.man.east.verizon.net)
17:30.07ixskdean06: I have a GTA01. So I'd actually love to see it somewhat working correctly.
17:31.07*** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@afsconf120-51.njit.edu)
17:31.29kdean06I do too. :) I spent good money on it, so I'd be quite happy if it got more than 6 months of use. :)
17:34.00ixsmy point exactly.
17:34.16ixsI'd actually be severly disappointed to see money wasted on the device.
17:34.23*** join/#openmoko greentux (n=lemke@Z7dba.z.pppool.de)
17:34.39mwesterI have a couple of GTA01's + the debug board -- we will make it work.  OM has other priorities right now, and I think that they will not undertake the initiative -- but if we (the community) spearhead an effort to make the 01's functional, I suspect that OM will assist us in that effort.  They have done so to date for the suspend/resume stuff.
17:38.24*** join/#openmoko V0lle (n=volle@p5481E8A7.dip.t-dialin.net)
17:39.11*** join/#openmoko Antenagora (n=antenago@147.162.252.190)
17:41.11*** join/#openmoko jeffdameth (n=jeff@dyndsl-080-228-186-159.ewe-ip-backbone.de)
17:41.12theLichKinghow can i buy an openmoko?
17:41.59mmontourtheLichKing: eBay/Craigslist, or wait for Freerunner to be released (see topic)
17:42.36theLichKingis the freerunner a new and improved version of neo?
17:43.18BumbltheLichKing: yes the freerunner is the way to go
17:43.31*** join/#openmoko Marex (n=marex@vasut.kolej.mff.cuni.cz)
17:45.02*** join/#openmoko suuuper (n=suuuper@81-208-88-100.ip.fastwebnet.it)
17:50.46*** join/#openmoko Monex (n=Monex@dslb-084-059-213-107.pools.arcor-ip.net)
17:53.29*** join/#openmoko milos_ (n=milos@92.36.171.226)
17:53.36*** join/#openmoko geaaru (n=geaaru@host150-168-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)
17:53.51*** join/#openmoko freelock (n=john@c-71-231-170-250.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
18:03.21*** join/#openmoko KenSentMe (n=jeroen@kensentme.xs4all.nl)
18:06.01*** join/#openmoko holymoly (n=biteme@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net)
18:09.19*** part/#openmoko V0lle (n=volle@p5481E8A7.dip.t-dialin.net)
18:10.53*** join/#openmoko d1 (n=dr@vnsecurity.net)
18:10.57*** join/#openmoko tomboy64 (n=tomboy64@e178043014.adsl.alicedsl.de)
18:16.06*** join/#openmoko slomo (n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo)
18:16.10*** join/#openmoko aloril (n=aloril@h12883.gprs.dnafinland.fi)
18:19.48tomboy64mhmmm
18:19.55tomboy64346 idlers in this room alone ...
18:20.06tomboy64looks like fic will get rich with openmoko
18:20.17tomboy64cause *every* linux geek will want one :-D
18:20.33summatusmentiswell, if it works, everyone will want one
18:20.51summatusmentisif I had decent gsm coverage, I'd wait until the software were fully workable
18:21.01mjrdepends really. There are other Linux-based contenders coming up, and some don't care much for freedom...
18:22.23*** join/#openmoko mortenlysgaard (n=mortenly@85.221.51.76)
18:22.40theholyduckwell the android phones arent all that bad
18:22.41theholyduckmethinks
18:23.07summatusmentisnoone's actually seen one
18:23.10mjrdepends how they will turn out
18:23.13theholyduckwell yeah.
18:23.16theholyduckbut the IDEA of android
18:23.21*** join/#openmoko CVirus (n=GoD@62.135.96.15)
18:23.21theholyduckand promises of the platform
18:23.23theholyduckis not that bad
18:23.38summatusmentismeh, it's all closed on top isn't it?
18:23.44summatusmentislike, there's a linux base
18:23.45theholyducknaw
18:23.50theholyduckyou can replace just about any app
18:23.55theholyduckin android
18:24.01summatusmentisbut only w/ java apps
18:24.02Qwellif you know java
18:24.09*** join/#openmoko _rob_ (n=rob@85.233.59.8.static.cablesurf.de)
18:24.14theholyducksummatusmentis, like the main menu :P
18:24.20theholyduckor just about anything else
18:24.38summatusmentistheholyduck: right, but it's only java?
18:24.38*** join/#openmoko cktakahasi (n=cktakaha@200.184.118.132)
18:24.38Qwelltheholyduck: but not drivers or anything like that
18:24.40theholyduckthis guy i know is working on a augmented reality system for the android platform
18:24.41kdean06I see that Freerunner does "USB Host mode". Am I correct in assuming that a practical application of that is that it could read a USB based device, such as a thumb drive? Or does "USB Host mode" means something more specific?
18:24.52theholyduckkdean06, it could
18:24.59mjrkdean06, yes
18:25.05summatusmentisneeds power?
18:25.11Qwellhost mode can also provide power
18:25.12theholyduckthe freerunner has power
18:25.14QwellI think..
18:25.19summatusmentisoh really?
18:25.21summatusmentisthat's cool
18:25.21theholyduckyeah
18:25.22mjrit does
18:25.26theholyduckbut you drain your battery
18:25.31theholyduckby powering the usb device
18:25.34Qwelltheholyduck: sure
18:25.37mjryeah, you don't want to use too much of it
18:25.38summatusmentiswell, yeah
18:25.49mjrbut if you just need to copy some files, it oughta be fine
18:25.56summatusmentisbut a thumb drive would be easy enough
18:26.07Qwellsomething like that would require trivial amounts of power
18:26.15theholyduckor hooking it up to your external hardrive since it has its own power
18:26.20Qwellhowever, your cool USB lava lamp might take a little more :)
18:26.37theholyducki ought to get one of those actually
18:26.44theholyducki killed all my usb ports
18:26.48theholyduckin terms of signal
18:26.50theholyduckbut not power
18:26.59theholyduckso i had to buy a pci card with usb ports
18:27.14*** join/#openmoko rtm (n=rtm@pool-129-44-181-243.bos.east.verizon.net)
18:27.32theholyducki got loads of usb ports with only power ;(
18:31.29*** join/#openmoko bmk789 (n=bmk789@c-98-223-16-230.hsd1.in.comcast.net)
18:36.22*** join/#openmoko tux1337 (n=tux1337@Md395.m.pppool.de)
18:39.32*** join/#openmoko apol (n=apol@84.78.178.63)
18:39.47*** join/#openmoko heinold (n=heinold@leningrad.mi.fu-berlin.de)
18:39.51*** join/#openmoko Blastur (i=Blastur@kr-lun-168-149-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com)
18:40.14*** join/#openmoko ericthefish (n=ivan@82-71-36-214.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk)
18:40.29*** join/#openmoko fsteinel (n=fsteinel@pD9FBC2D4.dip.t-dialin.net)
18:42.58*** part/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e182060023.adsl.alicedsl.de)
18:43.53*** join/#openmoko edson (i=edson@unaffiliated/edson)
18:44.15*** join/#openmoko alexxy (n=alexxy@79.173.81.171)
18:44.51tomboy64is there a good navigational operation-ready software for the freerunner yet?
18:46.08rtmI don't think so.   There's a GPS-enabled map display program called tangoGPS, but it does not ffind routes, etc.
18:47.27*** join/#openmoko pvborz1 (n=paul@89.137.50.204)
18:49.30*** join/#openmoko milos_ (n=milos@92.36.183.142)
18:54.34*** join/#openmoko gopi (n=gopi@adsl-69-232-195-12.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net)
19:05.10*** join/#openmoko vaiursch (n=erwin@84-72-189-27.dclient.hispeed.ch)
19:07.12*** join/#openmoko Tanu (n=tanuva@e177237228.adsl.alicedsl.de)
19:08.40*** join/#openmoko Mathiasdm (n=Mathias@78-22-5-158.access.telenet.be)
19:11.55*** join/#openmoko ajbrun (n=ajbrun@host81-159-127-19.range81-159.btcentralplus.com)
19:13.03*** join/#openmoko holymoly (n=biteme@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net)
19:14.03*** join/#openmoko bmk789_ (n=bmk789@c-98-223-16-230.hsd1.in.comcast.net)
19:15.26*** part/#openmoko pvborz1 (n=paul@89.137.50.204)
19:19.33*** join/#openmoko tushyd (n=Bob@tdayal.student.iastate.edu)
19:19.41*** join/#openmoko MHazem (n=GoD@62.135.96.15)
19:22.07tushydis there a camera port on the mainboard? I wanted to see if I could add a camera easily
19:22.13tushyd(freerunner)
19:22.50summatusmentisnot that I know of
19:24.19tushyddamn
19:24.49mwesterAdd a USB webcam.
19:25.06joschor a bt cam
19:25.16mwesterThat's an even better idea.
19:27.15*** join/#openmoko zedstar_ (n=john@82-44-200-69.cable.ubr08.haye.blueyonder.co.uk)
19:29.20*** join/#openmoko wirrwarr (n=tim@ppp-88-217-75-113.dynamic.mnet-online.de)
19:32.57*** join/#openmoko MetaMorfoziS (n=avr@3e44b94c.adsl.enternet.hu)
19:36.49*** join/#openmoko cekay_ (n=cekay@xdsl-87-78-245-151.netcologne.de)
19:37.34*** join/#openmoko lpotter (n=ljp@CPE-124-191-144-181.vic.bigpond.net.au)
19:39.44*** join/#openmoko summatusmentis_ (n=summatus@afsconf120-51.njit.edu)
19:46.17*** join/#openmoko ecraven (n=nex@plc31-103.linzag.net)
19:49.08*** join/#openmoko XVirus (n=GoD@62.135.96.15)
19:51.09*** join/#openmoko aloril (n=aloril@h14156.gprs.dnafinland.fi)
19:51.40*** join/#openmoko gopi (n=gopi@ppp-71-139-48-90.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
19:56.58*** join/#openmoko pyknite (n=pyknite@83.68.218.53)
19:58.18*** join/#openmoko alexxy (n=alexxy@79.173.81.171)
19:59.20*** join/#openmoko MHazem (n=GoD@62.135.96.15)
20:06.11*** join/#openmoko emonkey (n=emonkey@ubuntu/member/emonkey)
20:06.34*** join/#openmoko MHazem (n=GoD@62.135.96.15)
20:11.57*** join/#openmoko spydon (n=spydon@h35n5c1o1036.bredband.skanova.com)
20:13.03*** join/#openmoko daMaestro (n=jon@fedora/damaestro)
20:18.52*** join/#openmoko XVirus (n=GoD@62.135.96.15)
20:19.02*** join/#openmoko fgau (n=fgau@pD95399DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
20:19.35*** part/#openmoko tux1337 (n=tux1337@Md395.m.pppool.de)
20:20.15*** join/#openmoko tux1337 (n=tux1337@Md395.m.pppool.de)
20:23.29Bumblwould it be theoretically possible to add an umts usb modem/stick through the openmokos usb port?
20:23.35*** join/#openmoko Lintusi (i=leo@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe37fa00-32.dhcp.inet.fi)
20:24.12*** join/#openmoko ruoso (n=ruoso@a81-84-27-88.cpe.netcabo.pt)
20:25.07*** join/#openmoko XVirus (n=GoD@62.135.96.15)
20:25.40*** join/#openmoko bentob0x (n=laurent@ip-213-49-71-46.dsl.scarlet.be)
20:29.05*** part/#openmoko tux1337 (n=tux1337@Md395.m.pppool.de)
20:31.53*** join/#openmoko Demitar (n=demitar@h-79-136-2-44.NA.cust.bahnhof.se)
20:47.36*** join/#openmoko tux1337 (n=tux1337@Md395.m.pppool.de)
20:49.22*** join/#openmoko wiml (n=wiml@underhill.hhhh.org)
20:49.29*** join/#openmoko XVirus (n=GoD@62.135.96.15)
20:55.41*** join/#openmoko hiciu (n=hiciu@host-91-200-27-218.leon.com.pl)
20:56.31*** join/#openmoko GasBill (n=bill@smtpv5.cosi.net)
20:56.42*** part/#openmoko GasBill (n=bill@smtpv5.cosi.net)
21:01.14*** join/#openmoko MHazem (n=GoD@62.135.96.15)
21:04.33*** join/#openmoko tubastian (n=tubastia@p508CF016.dip.t-dialin.net)
21:06.12*** join/#openmoko OJW (n=OJW@87-194-198-122.bethere.co.uk)
21:08.43*** join/#openmoko holymoly (n=biteme@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net)
21:09.56*** join/#openmoko XVirus (n=GoD@62.135.96.15)
21:20.20*** join/#openmoko MHazem (n=GoD@62.135.96.15)
21:26.35*** join/#openmoko wurp2 (n=wurp@65.111.180.216)
21:27.33*** join/#openmoko aloril_ (n=aloril@h1289.gprs.dnafinland.fi)
21:27.35wurp2holy crap there are a lot of people in here now
21:28.04Blasturwtb freerunner
21:29.28wurp2Is anyone using my checkFastCharge daemon?
21:29.53wurp2I have made some updates, and my updated version seems to crap out when I run it in init
21:30.02wurp2But it runs fine when I start it up after neo is up
21:30.38wurp2I never had that problem with the version I released, but there have also been many updates to the image since then, so I dunno if it's my code or dist updates
21:31.12wurp2(btw, checkFastCharge is that thing that pops up a gui asking if you want to do fast charge when you plug in a non-usb charger)
21:32.57*** join/#openmoko Synchronicity (n=dieb@unaffiliated/relate)
21:38.16*** join/#openmoko Outlander (n=outlande@unaffiliated/outlander)
21:49.44CIA-43freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r4fe460103faa 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs):
21:49.44CIA-43freesmartphone.org: python-ophoned: remove first idea of Call abstraction, implement 2nd idea. outgoing calls looking good
21:49.44CIA-43freesmartphone.org: now.
21:50.30rwhitbywill be away helping lead a scout camp this weekend - mwester, XorA|gone and mickeyl all have access to modify MokoMakefile if required.
21:50.52mickeylsounds good, have fun!
21:51.14mickeylmy weekend will be occupied with taxes :/
21:51.53mwesterTaxes not aligned with calendar year for you, then?
21:52.07emonkeywaves to rwhitby, hello scout buddy
21:53.31rwhitbydoes the scout handshake with emonkey
21:53.39emonkey*shake* :)
21:54.36mickeylmwester: nope, due 31th of May, and since I leave next week for LinuxTag, this weekend is the last chance to get it done :/
21:54.50emonkeyhast the same problem
21:54.53mickeylof course i could have done it earlier *cough*
21:55.03rwhitbywhere's the fun in that?
21:55.04emonkeysame here :P
21:55.41wurp2Every year I think "*this* year I'm gonna get my taxes done early"
21:55.45emonkeyfun? I think there are rarely nobody who has fun with taxes
21:55.47*** join/#openmoko behdad (n=behdad@209.167.232.100)
21:55.58rwhitbyhas tax return for July 2006 to June 2007 due in two weeks.
21:56.06emonkeywurp2, ou yeah your so da** right
21:56.24wurp2Taxes are even more fun when you haven't been paying in, so instead of thinking you might get a check, you *know* you're writing a big fat check.
21:57.08emonkeyok that's true
21:57.11wurp2undergound (I guess it's Zad, now?) seems to be coming along nicely
21:58.00wurp2Is there anything resembling a console for it?  That's my only hang-up keeping me from jumping to it...
21:58.17wurp2I guess it would be pretty easy to whip up a python terminal for it if there isn't one
21:58.30mickeylwell, you could use the openmoko terminal
21:58.37mickeylor any other vte-term
21:58.44mickeylor xterm, if you like :)
21:58.49mickeyldoes not _need_ to be python
21:58.55wurp2OK, I wasn't sure if there were conflicting things in the sw stack for that
21:59.22wurp2I have only a vague notion of how the sw stack for underground relates to OM
21:59.31mickeyli can imagine
21:59.36wurp2It sounds as if at least opkg support is there ;-)
21:59.36mickeylthere's a ton of activity now
22:00.02wurp2so presumably stuff will either install, gimme an error message, or totally jack my system
22:00.03mickeylnot everything Om triggered, but we keep a close eye on it
22:00.12mickeylabout right, ya
22:00.30wurp2I guess I have a project for the weekend, then
22:00.38mickeylno seriously, i for one can't live without a terminal. as soon as I'm done releasing the first zhone (framework-testing) images, i want a terminal as well
22:00.49wurp2Is there someplace for me to look to see how to e.g. add an icon or other startup trigger for the stuff I install
22:01.09mickeylunfortunately not, i'm afraid emdete did not add docs yert
22:01.13wurp2OK
22:01.34wurp2I think I looked through pyneog or whatever it's called and it seemed fairly straightforward
22:01.39mickeylyep
22:01.42rwhitbywhat's the elevator pitch for this underground image?  I added it to MokoMakefile but have no idea what it is ...
22:02.06*** join/#openmoko jOERG_rw (n=jr@nrbg-4d070465.pool.mediaWays.net)
22:02.21mickeylsee http://neo1973-germany.de/wiki/Zad
22:02.41mickeylZad is more or less emdete's phone vision
22:02.50mickeylso he concentrates on stuff he needs
22:03.04wurp2Can one suspend & resume w/ Zad by default?
22:03.17mickeylno idea, didn't look for a while
22:03.20wurp2k
22:03.26mickeyltry to catch emdete tomorrow
22:03.30mickeylhe'll answer everything
22:03.31mickeyl:)
22:03.35wurp2k, thanks
22:03.37mickeylnp
22:03.55wurp2btw, anyone who is using AT&T to try to get gprs access, I finally found the problem in mine & updated the wiki page for it
22:05.14*** part/#openmoko Deubeuliou (n=david@AFontenayssB-151-1-73-243.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr)
22:05.19rwhitbyI presume org.openmoko.dev is used for Zad - does it build for both GTA01 and GTA02?
22:06.18mickeylit should, yes
22:06.27*** join/#openmoko zeno__ (n=zeno@c-75-71-224-83.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
22:06.38mickeylalthough now that i'm more towards zhone, there's no one really taking care it builds
22:06.54mickeylshould pester emdete to take more care about other potentially wanting to help
22:07.09rwhitbyok, now what's "zhone" ?
22:07.54mickeylzhone is the bread-and-butter application exploiting / testing / promoting the new Om framework
22:07.57mickeylsee my last blog entry
22:08.01*** join/#openmoko ajbrun (n=ajbrun@host81-159-127-19.range81-159.btcentralplus.com)
22:08.08mickeylthere was even a screeny somewhere
22:09.06wurp2Is there a relationship between zhone & Zad?
22:09.23mickeylyeah, sharing lots of technology
22:09.25mickeylgsm0710muxd
22:09.30mickeylpython, gobject, dbus, EFL
22:09.32wurp2I saw your blog entry but somehow missed the zhone term
22:09.43mickeylyou're right
22:09.45mickeylit was kind of hidden
22:09.49rwhitbyyeah, me too
22:09.51mickeylin the link to the picture
22:09.55wurp2K, so you guys use the same code for the python dbus stuff?
22:09.58mickeylhttp://www.vanille-media.de/images/zhone-0.0.0.png
22:10.04wurp2well, the general dbus stuff
22:10.10mickeylsame libraries
22:10.14wurp2I presume some (much?) of it is python
22:10.20wurp2I see
22:10.29mickeylunfortunately emdete and me have very different views of how APIs need to be designed
22:10.38mickeylinitially we wanted to both use his pygsmd
22:10.42mickeyland additional services
22:10.44rwhitbymickeyl: zhone will be developed in org.openmoko.dev branch, or somewhere else?
22:10.51mickeylrwhitby: git.freesmartphone.org
22:11.19mickeyli'm doing the framework and zhone for Openmoko, _but_
22:11.21rwhitbywonders whether he put the git site as a variable in mokomakefile ...
22:11.24mickeyli'm doing it for the OSS world
22:11.28mickeylthink EZX
22:11.30mickeylthink HTC
22:11.31mickeyletc.
22:11.43mickeylcoming from OpenEZX, i still owe this project a working userland
22:11.47mickeyland this is what zhone will be
22:11.55stefan_schmidtheh
22:11.56mickeylamong other goals ;±
22:12.06stefan_schmidtsmeels mickeyl's propaganda. ;)
22:12.09mickeylhehe
22:12.14stefan_schmidtsmell
22:12.22mickeylthere you wake up :)
22:12.23wurp2Time to go home
22:12.28rwhitbydoes the word "zhone" mean anything?
22:12.31mickeylyes
22:12.34wurp2have a good night/day/whatever it is wherever you are
22:12.37mickeylit's a word game
22:12.39mickeylbased out of
22:12.40mickeylZen
22:12.41mickeyland Phone
22:12.50mickeylundertitle: Beautiful, Simple, Elegant
22:13.04stefan_schmidtmickeyl: Just finished, more or less, my crypto homework.
22:13.10mickeylstefan_schmidt: good!
22:14.24mickeylas it stands, bug #1024 is really haunting me today :/
22:14.25rwhitbymickeyl: git://git.freesmartphone.org/git/zhone.git ?
22:14.26stefan_schmidtpokes mickeyl to merge the zhone comment patch. The world needs more comments in code
22:14.28mickeylrwhitby: yep
22:14.42mickeylstefan_schmidt: agreed. will do tomorrow!
22:14.43rwhitbymickeyl: fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
22:14.54mickeyleeks
22:14.57mickeyllet me check the server
22:15.00stefan_schmidtmickeyl: What's the best place for patches for fso?
22:15.20mickeylstefan_schmidt: fso mailing list until we decide on a bug / ticket tracker
22:15.40stefan_schmidtmickeyl: So abuse the one for standards right now?
22:15.46mickeylyep
22:15.50stefan_schmidtmickeyl: Fine with me.
22:15.58mickeyli need to think more about where to put what on topic
22:16.04stefan_schmidtNow I just need more time to produce patches. ;)
22:16.09mickeylyeah!
22:16.27mickeylright now priority is getting things done, we can think about beaurocratics if we have enough traffic :)
22:16.29mickeyls/if/when/
22:16.39mickeyl~spell beaurocratic
22:16.47mickeyl~botsnac
22:16.49mickeyl~botsnack
22:16.49aptthanks, mickeyl
22:18.19rwhitbymickeyl: is the git url I'm using correct, or a different path?
22:18.26mwesterSo many repos, so many images, so many things to load onto devices... my head hurts just trying to keep them straight!
22:18.41rwhitbymwester: that's why I write a makefile around the envelope
22:18.56rwhitbycause I can't remember how to build things otherwise
22:19.01mwesterAnd that's how I keep them straight - I read the makefile!
22:19.56mickeylrwhitby: ah, it's wrong
22:19.57mickeyltry
22:19.57*** join/#openmoko bmk789_ (n=bmk789@c-98-223-16-230.hsd1.in.comcast.net)
22:20.05mickeylgit://git.freesmartphone.org:zhone.git
22:20.29rwhitbygit://git.freesmartphone.org/zhone.git worked
22:20.48*** join/#openmoko zeno_ (n=zeno@c-75-70-202-80.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
22:21.57mwestermickeyl:  is that the source corresponding to the ASU code then?
22:22.11*** join/#openmoko alex-weej (n=alex@cpc1-acto9-0-0-cust931.brnt.cable.ntl.com)
22:22.49rwhitbymwester: asu is org.openmoko.april-update
22:22.58rwhitby(in git.openmoko.org)
22:23.02mickeylASU has nothing to do with framework and zhone
22:23.41mickeylwell, i should not say nothing
22:23.46mickeylit moves in that direction
22:24.07mwesterOk.  Color me confused.  I'll sort it out yet.  
22:24.09mickeyland eventually we will probably try to inject the new framework below all that stuff
22:24.28mickeylto make it seemlessly cooperate
22:24.35mickeylseamlessly even
22:24.39mickeylheh
22:25.04mickeylwell, there's a couple of teams in Openmoko
22:25.27mickeylone team is taking care about qtopia on X
22:25.30mickeylone team is working on exciting EFL apps
22:25.40mickeylone team is doing some solid ground, err... framework
22:25.55mickeylASU is the result of teams 1 and 2
22:26.02mickeylframework/zhone is the result of team 3
22:26.16mickeyleventually we will take the best parts of that mosaic
22:26.24mickeylto come to something that's strong and durable
22:26.45mwesterOk.  The last part is important; branches that never merge amount to forks.
22:26.54mickeylfull ACK
22:27.00mickeylright now, focus was on building a product
22:27.07mickeylthat's why we did ASU
22:27.10*** join/#openmoko krau (n=cktakaha@200.184.118.132)
22:27.23mickeylin parallel, framework and zhone team work on more technical stuff in the background
22:27.32mickeylthen we build the next product out of all that
22:27.40mickeylimproving ASU
22:27.49mickeylthat's how i view it
22:28.16mwesterMy immediate goals are to work on the GSM and suspend/resume stuff; so it would seem that I need to work on ASU, but the other project will probably replace that low-level stuff.
22:28.45mickeylwell, my work is above kernel and below apps
22:28.52mickeyli'm 100% relying on you!
22:29.00mickeylwe _need_ to fix the GSM suspend/resume
22:29.05mickeylotherwise all my shiny gsm daemon is void ;)
22:29.48mickeylI know a great deal about Linux, but I never did anything substantial in kernel
22:30.00mwesterWell, we probably need to discuss how the interactions should work during suspend/resume.  So I should find the docs for that project and familiarize myself with what's going on there.
22:30.01mickeyland honestly... i don't want to go that far. I'm a middleware/userland guy
22:30.12mickeylright
22:30.16mickeylmy plan is like that
22:30.22mickeylsurviving linuxtag
22:30.30mickeylfinishing up the first bits of daemons
22:30.43mickeylreleasing that as fso-testing-image 0.1.0
22:31.32mickeyli will come up with an interaction picture how i see gsm suspend/resume asap
22:31.36mickeylgive me a couple of days
22:31.57mwesterExcellent.
22:38.40CIA-43freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r94976a58d277 10/ophoned/ (gsm/mediator.py objects.py):
22:38.40CIA-43freesmartphone.org: python-ophoned: incoming calls OK, rejecting calls OK, hanging up OK.
22:38.40CIA-43freesmartphone.org: NOTE: ignoring index-parameter for now, not dealing with multiple calls.
22:38.43mickeylg'night
22:39.06rwhitbystumbles at the edje_cc dependency for zhone, and puts it on the "look at it later" pile ...
22:39.25rwhitbyit needs a makefile around it ;-)
22:40.45mwestergoogles edje_cc
22:41.10*** join/#openmoko idarwin (n=ian@CPE004063e870cc-CM000f9f78dbb4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
22:43.35rwhitbyOE builds it I expect
22:44.07*** join/#openmoko gopi (n=gopi@ppp-71-139-48-90.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
22:44.40*** part/#openmoko LetoTo (n=paul@76-10-144-1.dsl.teksavvy.com)
22:46.39rwhitbyIs http://monochromementality.com/ down for anyone else (Kevin Dean
22:46.44rwhitby's web site)
22:48.24cyrilRomainrwhitby: seems to be down yes
22:49.56*** join/#openmoko Psi (n=benw@ip-58-28-158-238.static-xdsl.xnet.co.nz)
22:50.52hiciuhmm... on qemu, with lastest makefile i'm getting "no space left on device"
22:51.04hiciu(sorry for my english)
22:53.57rwhitbyhiciu: which device and which image?
22:54.16rwhitbyI know XorA|gone was working on one image that was too big for the rootfs ...
22:55.07*** join/#openmoko SirBob1701 (n=mcginley@pool-141-151-81-200.phlapa.east.verizon.net)
22:56.12hiciuhow i can check it? I done: make update-makefile && make update qemu and i've got this: http://hiciu.rootnode.net/2008-05-23-005153_480x640_scrot.png
22:59.47*** join/#openmoko playya (n=playya@p57B2A6D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
23:03.47*** join/#openmoko Outlander (n=dysonpe@unaffiliated/outlander)
23:05.14*** join/#openmoko idarwin (n=ian@CPE004063e870cc-CM000f9f78dbb4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
23:08.42*** join/#openmoko zeno (n=andrew@c-75-70-202-80.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
23:10.06*** join/#openmoko fenfir (n=fenfir@adsl-64-219-109-77.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net)
23:10.30*** join/#openmoko wiml (n=wiml@underhill.hhhh.org)
23:12.09*** join/#openmoko retracile_ (n=eli@76-204-213-211.lightspeed.allntx.sbcglobal.net)
23:20.11hiciurwhitby: image "Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080522-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2", in qemu commandline device is gta01
23:21.00rwhitbyhiciu: If I remember correctly, that is the combination that XorA|gone was working on, cause the qtopia-x11 rootfs was too big for gta01
23:22.07hiciurwhitby: ok, thx
23:26.25Psiwhat does the flashing floppy disk icon mean?  freespace?
23:27.16Vegaryour sim card is full
23:27.22Vegaror the onboard flash
23:28.21*** join/#openmoko HellDragon (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon)
23:29.11Psi2.8MB free on rootfs
23:36.09rwhitbyScaredyCat: are you building om-gta02 scaredycat images?
23:41.45*** join/#openmoko cayres (n=cayres@ip68-103-160-30.ks.ok.cox.net)
23:47.18ljpwonders that too
23:47.35Psidoes he have a gta02 tho?
23:48.05ljpif not, he should
23:49.58*** join/#openmoko d3vice (n=d3vice@a213-22-124-16.cpe.netcabo.pt)
23:50.22*** join/#openmoko retracile_ (n=eli@76-204-213-211.lightspeed.allntx.sbcglobal.net)
23:56.46*** join/#openmoko zeno__ (n=zeno@c-75-70-202-80.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
23:58.21*** join/#openmoko zeno___ (n=andrew@c-75-70-202-80.hsd1.co.comcast.net)

Generated by irclog2html.pl Modified by Tim Riker to work with infobot.