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| 00:39.59 | ConfidentiaL | so, when can we start ordering the phone? |
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| 00:51.52 | yyl | hello every body! I have a question ... Is Freerunner released? |
| 00:52.11 | rtm | No, not yet. |
| 00:52.42 | rtm | It probably won't be available for a few more weeks. |
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| 00:54.54 | data_jepp | Where will the phones be shipped from? |
| 00:55.06 | data_jepp | (trying to estimate shipping costs) |
| 00:57.08 | roh | data_jepp either from a distributor of your choice or by the us hub |
| 00:57.46 | roh | the us hub is in freemont |
| 00:57.49 | roh | -e |
| 00:59.03 | data_jepp | The package is insured? |
| 00:59.42 | roh | its regular ups |
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| 01:00.02 | yyl | thanks roh! |
| 01:00.02 | apt | yyl: de nada |
| 01:00.03 | data_jepp | heard ups is expensive :/ |
| 01:00.44 | roh | within the us its quite cheap i must say |
| 01:01.01 | data_jepp | Well, im in Norway and im bying 10 phones. |
| 01:01.49 | roh | well.. worldwide shipments are always expensive. regardless of the carrier |
| 01:02.06 | data_jepp | Thats true ^^ |
| 01:02.23 | roh | norway was 'not eu' right? |
| 01:03.09 | data_jepp | mhm, norway is not eu. |
| 01:03.21 | data_jepp | eu is stupid, we voted no twice already. |
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| 01:04.19 | data_jepp | Found an shippment estimator for ups, where in us the state? |
| 01:04.39 | roh | well.. i do not like some thing about it myself (i am in germany btw).. but schengen, the euro and the trade union (which were there before it was called eu already) as well as the flat tax model for shops withing the eu are really a blessing |
| 01:04.56 | roh | fremont, california |
| 01:06.27 | data_jepp | The taxes here are wild, just one bottle of vodka can one bring home from travelling. |
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| 01:07.30 | roh | data_jepp if you ever have seen what madness international shipping and taxes mean, you know why i like that at the eu. |
| 01:08.37 | data_jepp | When the phones cross the border i have to pay 25% taxes for importing them, and some extra fees. :/ |
| 01:09.28 | roh | on the dis-empowerment of my parliament, the nonexisting judges when it comes to canceling stupid laws some legislative does and so on.. there i agree .. thats stupid |
| 01:09.57 | roh | data_jepp well.. there are no import taxes for phones into the eu, just vat. thats something where you have to kick your own politicians into the nuts for |
| 01:10.27 | roh | or better nokia who have propably bought this law (this is not a official or citeable statement, just a wild guess) |
| 01:11.10 | roh | *ducks* |
| 01:11.49 | data_jepp | hehe :D i know. I dont complain. |
| 01:13.34 | roh | well.. its not like that most countries have somethign stupid or strange when it comes to local companies.. see the affairs of siemens, samsung and co ;) |
| 01:13.46 | roh | snafu |
| 01:16.14 | data_jepp | how many kg would 10phones be at? |
| 01:17.01 | roh | uuhum.. hard to say. i can only guess something like 5.5kg? |
| 01:17.38 | data_jepp | Hard to say, about that probably. Considering like manuals and stuff. |
| 01:17.38 | roh | but do not count on that. could be 7. havent seen the _final_ packaging yet |
| 01:18.33 | rtm | There was no manual shipped with the neo1973, I'll bet there isn't one with the Freerunner, either. |
| 01:18.56 | data_jepp | headphones and other stuff then? |
| 01:20.03 | rtm | Headphone and pouch with orders in a 10-pack. |
| 01:20.20 | data_jepp | Now xD |
| 01:20.35 | data_jepp | *know |
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| 01:29.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | hadnt thought of that. wonder what the tax is here :| |
| 01:30.01 | roh | Kamping_Kaiser depends where you are. |
| 01:30.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | roh, funny that :) (Australia.) |
| 01:31.01 | roh | heh.. dunno about the tax there.. sorry |
| 01:31.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | hopefully the FTA will help. (i didnt think i'd ever say that) |
| 01:33.21 | roh | FTA? |
| 01:33.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | free trade agreement |
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| 01:37.29 | roh | well.. basically i think that every toll or tax which is not the same for everybody everywhere is somehow wrong or in the way of business |
| 01:38.42 | roh | people do not care anymore for countries. they already can communicate with people everywhere, why should they not trade and sell the same way? |
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| 01:57.06 | data_jepp | I know, damn. About 300$ for 10kg, cant be more than that. |
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| 04:25.10 | Arg0naut | bonjour openmoko |
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| 05:11.28 | al_ | hi |
| 05:11.28 | apt | hi |
| 05:12.15 | al_ | have a problem with make qemu without the build environment |
| 05:13.14 | al_ | installed the toolchain still this command fails i hope I am not leaving out anything |
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| 07:08.16 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:31.10 | mbuf | Hopscotch, morning |
| 07:41.07 | rtm | I ran some old floating point benchmark code on a neo1973. The neo is 8 times faster at double precision floating point than a VAX 11/780, |
| 07:41.37 | rtm | and has roughly the same double precision floating point speed as a first generation SPARCstation. |
| 07:42.09 | tedo | have you done a comparison between single and double precision on the neo? |
| 07:42.38 | rtm | tedo: No, I haven't done that comparison. |
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| 09:45.12 | tubastian | Tanuva: i got a reply from pulster.de and they said the openmoko will cost about 300-350 euros... so pulster might noch be cheaper than trisoft |
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| 09:57.21 | Tanuva | tubastian: but at least they dont have a fixed price yet so it might become cheaper |
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| 09:58.07 | tubastian | maybe :-) |
| 10:01.56 | Tanuva | tubastian: hehe - just found the same (?) mailing in my inbox :D |
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| 10:04.41 | emilis_info | hmm |
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| 10:05.12 | emilis_info | pulster has 299 EUR written all around in the FreeRunner page |
| 10:05.43 | tubastian | yes, but in the email they say 300-350 euros |
| 10:05.50 | emilis_info | heh |
| 10:06.39 | tubastian | i got this mail after registering: "Das neue Modell heisst "Freerunner" (Versionsnummer GTA02). Es wird vorraussichtlich im Mai lieferbar sein. Der Verkaufspreis wird wohl 300-350 EUR sein. Sobald es real bei uns lieferbar ist, ist es im shop zu finden und dort bestellbar." |
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| 10:06.57 | Tanuva | yep, thats it |
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| 11:23.20 | mickeyl | is the timeout between +CRING standardized? |
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| 11:28.41 | ohin | hi, i don't know, if this is right place for this question, but maybe you can guide me somewhere else: what payment options will be to order neo? |
| 11:29.49 | ohin | I want to know this, because I am organising group order, so there are people depending on my ability to pay |
| 11:31.51 | mickeyl | please check the mailing list archives, if it's known at all, then it was mentioned there. |
| 11:32.09 | mickeyl | my guess would be all kind of CCs. Paypal was still under discussion last time I heard |
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| 11:33.52 | ohin | ok, thank you |
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| 11:51.48 | mickeyl | %CPRI only works for outgoing calls? |
| 11:54.02 | mickeyl | enjoys talking to 310 silent people :D |
| 11:54.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | enjoys you talking to us :P |
| 11:54.38 | mickeyl | heh |
| 11:55.13 | mickeyl | shrugs and starts implementing org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call (finally) |
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| 11:57.06 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03andy 07stable * r78b9f3d35143 10/cpu/arm920t/start.S: add-find-wake-reason.patch |
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| 11:57.30 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03andy 07andy * r08cc78eb62fe 10/cpu/arm920t/start.S: add-find-wake-reason.patch |
| 11:58.02 | balrog-kun | guesses only harald and sean know what %CPRI works for as it's undocumented |
| 11:58.24 | mickeyl | right |
| 11:58.27 | mickeyl | goes and reads the spec |
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| 12:00.09 | mickeyl | ooh |
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| 12:00.24 | mickeyl | i'm mixing up %CPRI with %CPI |
| 12:00.29 | mickeyl | slaps forehead |
| 12:00.51 | spydon | slaps mickeyl's forehead too |
| 12:00.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 12:01.09 | mickeyl | %CPI: Call progress information |
| 12:01.20 | mickeyl | %CPRI: ciphering indication |
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| 12:01.22 | balrog-kun | yes, i think i noticed it was only for outgoing for me too, but it's still undocumented |
| 12:01.34 | balrog-kun | maybe it has to be enabled differently |
| 12:01.36 | mickeyl | don't we have a wiki page for undocumented commands? |
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| 12:02.06 | balrog-kun | yeah, but the page authors considered these couple of commands documented by the gsmd source i think :) |
| 12:02.27 | mickeyl | right |
| 12:02.34 | mickeyl | i'd love to add more of that |
| 12:02.36 | mickeyl | but i can't :/ |
| 12:02.50 | mickeyl | i will add the useful commands to ophoned eventually |
| 12:02.54 | balrog-kun | oh you have the docs? |
| 12:02.55 | mickeyl | then people can go and figure out |
| 12:02.57 | mickeyl | yes |
| 12:03.05 | mkrentovskiy | Hi! Anyone using Neo1973 + Qtopia + 2.6.24 kernel? |
| 12:03.12 | mickeyl | but as you can imagine, i'm under superDNA |
| 12:03.13 | mickeyl | heh |
| 12:03.15 | mickeyl | superNDA, even |
| 12:03.21 | mickeyl | chuckles |
| 12:04.05 | balrog-kun | it should say somewhere there when %CPI is supposed to work |
| 12:04.39 | mickeyl | enables and tries an incoming call |
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| 12:05.53 | mickeyl | yeah! |
| 12:05.59 | mickeyl | works fine |
| 12:06.13 | mickeyl | cool, we even get a layer 3 disconnect message |
| 12:06.24 | Daemonax | So no news if the first mass production run has finished? |
| 12:06.25 | mickeyl | that means i don't have to mess with RING timeouts on the Calypso |
| 12:06.31 | mickeyl | only on generic modems |
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| 12:08.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | end of june would have been /to/ nice :( |
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| 12:18.24 | mickeyl | http://rafb.net/p/sXzLtv74.html |
| 12:18.29 | mickeyl | output during incoming call |
| 12:22.38 | shoragan | mickeyl, that's nice :) |
| 12:22.46 | mickeyl | it's funny that 07.07 itself does not include an unsolicited message that the caller has hung up |
| 12:23.02 | mickeyl | no wonder all modem manufacturers add all kinds of additional commands |
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| 12:24.56 | ohin | does anybody know, if it is possible to pay for FreeRunner by Visa Electron credit card? |
| 12:28.26 | mkrentovskiy | Its not out yet |
| 12:29.05 | ohin | yes, i correct the question: if it will be possible ;-) |
| 12:29.37 | spydon | ohin, is it possible to pay anything over the Internet with electron? :P |
| 12:30.32 | mkrentovskiy | Electron is so ugly? : ) |
| 12:31.23 | ohin | spydon: yes, I made some payments |
| 12:31.44 | spydon | ohin, I see |
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| 12:32.55 | ohin | I didn't ask, if some people didn't tell me, that there are problems with electron, and not all companies allow charging visa electron |
| 12:33.11 | ohin | *I wouldn't |
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| 12:36.37 | mkrentovskiy | Another interesting questions - what about delivery... I got previous device thought Checz Rebublic : ))) |
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| 12:39.19 | ohin | mkrentovskiy: what do you mean? |
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| 12:46.54 | mkrentovskiy | ohin, there are was some troubles with direct shipment to Russia |
| 12:48.57 | ohin | hm, and you said you have to order it through Czech Republic? (I am organizing group order for Czech Republic) |
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| 12:53.29 | mkrentovskiy | ohin, yes. My friend are living there, he transfer device to me. |
| 12:54.02 | mkrentovskiy | World is not so big : ))) |
| 12:54.41 | ohin | :-) |
| 12:56.09 | ohin | what was the problem, that you was not able to get it right to Russia? |
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| 12:56.38 | J-23 | hi! |
| 12:58.55 | mkrentovskiy | ohin, AFAIK, there are some limitations from FIC in begining. Latest request, as peoples said, was passed fine. |
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| 13:05.25 | ohin | perhaps it will be ok, now... |
| 13:06.39 | ohin | so do you think, it will be ok to pay with visa electron? (I need to make sure whether yes or no, and I can't see anything on maillist) |
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| 14:46.26 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r0498b9e1580d 10/ophoned/ (8 files in 2 dirs): python-ophoned: start with implementing call handling - POC only for now |
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| 15:13.03 | mwester | Greetings and Salutations |
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| 18:53.44 | ccfly | hello folks ! :> |
| 18:54.05 | Sonicadvance1 | HELLO ccfly! |
| 18:54.07 | Sonicadvance1 | :D |
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| 19:20.48 | Brot1 | hello, i read here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/015080.html that the FreeRunner will be shipped in near future. Are this devices for end user or only for devolopers? what's the status of the software? |
| 19:22.46 | daMaestro | Brot1, the hardware should be solid; the software will be ever-evolving |
| 19:24.20 | Brot1 | daMaestro, ok, but could it be used as a alternate device instead nokia, sony ericsson? Does phone calls, sms works? |
| 19:24.55 | daMaestro | Brot1, i've been able to make and receive phone calls with the gta01v4 |
| 19:25.04 | daMaestro | Brot1, i don't have access to the new hardware |
| 19:25.13 | Brot1 | I would like to replace my Sony Ericsson and would like to use the gps to take part in OpenStreetMap |
| 19:25.26 | daMaestro | Brot1, you are not a developer? |
| 19:25.30 | Brot1 | no |
| 19:25.37 | daMaestro | Brot1, how about; do you have the ability to file good bug reports? |
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| 19:26.54 | Brot1 | I would try to file good bug reports if I will have problems, but the basic functions should work before I would buy this device |
| 19:27.26 | daMaestro | Brot1, i expect there will be an "official" release for the rootfs and kernel when the device starts being shipped |
| 19:27.45 | daMaestro | Brot1, however, basic functionality might break at any point in time |
| 19:27.54 | daMaestro | Brot1, it just depends what software you are running on the device |
| 19:28.07 | daMaestro | Brot1, for example; qtopia runs on the hardware |
| 19:28.07 | Brot1 | daMaestro, ok I see what you mean |
| 19:28.49 | josch | i wouldnt recommend it if you do not want to invest some time to get things work |
| 19:29.17 | daMaestro | yes, part of the lure of this device is you "get to" work on it |
| 19:29.18 | daMaestro | lol |
| 19:29.39 | daMaestro | i do expect, however, that the gta02 will have much more of "support" to make basic things work regularly |
| 19:31.14 | daMaestro | i'm expecting to be able to replace my blackberry pearl with the gta02 |
| 19:31.26 | daMaestro | but i also expect it is going to take me some work to get what i need working, working |
| 19:31.27 | Brot1 | I don' fear some time I have to invest. But I would like to start with this device and with the software when basic things work reasonably stable |
| 19:31.46 | daMaestro | i've not loaded a recent image in about a month |
| 19:31.57 | daMaestro | josch, do you know what the current status looks like? |
| 19:32.12 | daMaestro | last i checked gsmd was doing pretty well |
| 19:32.20 | josch | daMaestro, no sry i'm more into debian on the device ^^ |
| 19:32.32 | josch | daMaestro, this is the reason pygsmd was started |
| 19:32.51 | daMaestro | (which is what you need working well with the software to make it interact with gsm networks) |
| 19:32.56 | daMaestro | johang, pygsmd++ |
| 19:33.09 | daMaestro | johang, /me is pretty much doing nothing but python development anymore |
| 19:33.31 | daMaestro | hmm sorryu johang |
| 19:33.35 | daMaestro | josch, ^ |
| 19:34.00 | daMaestro | josch, are there any documents on how to do the python bindings? |
| 19:34.13 | daMaestro | josch, or is it a complete native rewrite? (which would be boooo) |
| 19:35.02 | josch | daMaestro, all pygsmd does is interfacing the serial modem port and supplying a dbus api for your apps |
| 19:35.09 | josch | dbus is the way to go |
| 19:35.23 | daMaestro | oh, cool |
| 19:35.28 | josch | ask emdete about all this stuff |
| 19:35.34 | josch | mickey|dinner, is also into it |
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| 19:35.49 | daMaestro | i've been ignoring this channel for a while; waiting for the new hardware |
| 19:36.07 | daMaestro | the sound system on gta01v4 is super busted for me (might even just be my hardware) |
| 19:36.52 | daMaestro | i think i might even still have qtopia loaded on my device |
| 19:37.08 | daMaestro | i'll be using the gta01v4 as an sms interface for http://droutes.org |
| 19:37.15 | daMaestro | should be hot |
| 19:38.25 | daMaestro | just really hopes he can get the hardware before ~june 12th |
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| 19:38.37 | daMaestro | that way i can play around with it and bring it to FUDCon with me |
| 19:38.46 | daMaestro | recruit some more developers |
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| 19:47.40 | daMaestro | wants to do something cool with neo1973.mobi |
| 19:48.25 | SpeedEvil | porn site? |
| 19:48.46 | josch | \o/ |
| 19:48.54 | SpeedEvil | any of the things in category:servers |
| 19:48.55 | SpeedEvil | ? |
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| 19:49.39 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, no.. but something better then just a redirect to the wiki |
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| 20:16.11 | XorA|gone | sound system is busted????? |
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| 21:18.58 | SpeedEvil | mp3! mp3! |
| 21:19.00 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 21:22.46 | spydon | ogg! ogg! |
| 21:24.03 | SuN | ...flac |
| 21:24.16 | SpeedEvil | wavs. |
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| 21:58.53 | ljp | 3gp! 3gp! |
| 22:08.33 | ScaredyCat | fuck me |
| 22:08.38 | emdete | no! |
| 22:09.18 | ScaredyCat | useless fucking KPN |
| 22:15.13 | Lintus | whar? |
| 22:15.15 | Lintus | -r+t |
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| 23:42.28 | linuxxr | i hope those quakes stay away from the manufacturing plant |
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