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| 00:16.33 | pyknite | hi |
| 00:16.33 | pyknite | is there someone? |
| 00:16.49 | pyknite | i need urgently help :( |
| 00:17.27 | josch | pyknite, dont ask to ask - just ask |
| 00:17.32 | pyknite | thx |
| 00:17.36 | josch | nobody can help you if you do not ask |
| 00:17.50 | pyknite | i'm working on a arm platform running linux |
| 00:18.10 | pyknite | I need to add a programm at boot |
| 00:18.34 | pyknite | but there is no no rc.local |
| 00:18.39 | pyknite | or something like that |
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| 00:18.47 | balrog-k1n | breath |
| 00:18.59 | pyknite | :P |
| 00:19.08 | balrog-k1n | what's init= set to in kernel params? |
| 00:19.33 | pyknite | ( we are working on a robot... we have the comptetiion tomorrow) |
| 00:19.43 | josch | lol |
| 00:19.48 | balrog-k1n | wow |
| 00:19.53 | pyknite | :P |
| 00:20.05 | rwhitby | pyknite: is it the openmoko distro? |
| 00:20.09 | pyknite | no |
| 00:20.14 | josch | haha |
| 00:20.16 | Arg0naut | just out of curiosity what competition is it? |
| 00:20.18 | balrog-k1n | is it equipped with lasers or a turret gun? |
| 00:20.25 | josch | can it fly? |
| 00:20.31 | pyknite | but you're the only people i know wich are knowing arm ;) |
| 00:20.42 | pyknite | Arg0naut: eurobot |
| 00:20.54 | rwhitby | pyknite: do you realise that most people here will now waste all your remaining time with silly questions? ;-) |
| 00:21.01 | pyknite | balrog-k1n: yep... laser plan and can shoot balls |
| 00:21.21 | pyknite | rwhitby: :P |
| 00:21.22 | josch | so... ike prism tank in c&c ? |
| 00:21.24 | rwhitby | pyknite: try putting a new startup script in /etc/init.d/ and make sure it is symlinked into /etc/rcX.d/ |
| 00:21.36 | rwhitby | (where 'X' is the run-level) |
| 00:21.41 | pyknite | oki |
| 00:21.44 | pyknite | thx |
| 00:21.47 | josch | yeah - just use init |
| 00:22.29 | rwhitby | or if you want to override the normal init sequence with a single stand-alone master executable, then use init= on the kernel cmdline (but make sure it's statically linked) |
| 00:23.19 | pyknite | how can i simlink into /etc/rcX.d ? |
| 00:23.26 | pyknite | with ln? |
| 00:23.32 | josch | man ln |
| 00:23.40 | rwhitby | ln -s |
| 00:23.40 | josch | ln -s source target |
| 00:23.54 | pyknite | oki thx |
| 00:23.57 | rwhitby | (and don't use 'X' for 'X' - use the correct number |
| 00:24.04 | pyknite | rwhitby: yep |
| 00:25.37 | pyknite | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.54 | pyknite | if i type runlevel and got "N 5" i need to simlynk in rc5.d? |
| 00:27.22 | josch | you have to add it to the runlevel you with it to be started |
| 00:27.42 | josch | if runlevel 5 is your normal one and you want to execute it as the last item add it there |
| 00:27.53 | pyknite | oki thy |
| 00:27.57 | pyknite | -y +x |
| 00:28.08 | josch | oh and another thing |
| 00:28.30 | josch | you can control the order in which init executes the scripts by naming them in the right way |
| 00:28.51 | josch | name it S99myapp and it will be executed as the alst item |
| 00:29.02 | pyknite | ok |
| 00:29.15 | pyknite | i try... |
| 00:29.36 | pyknite | i hope it work... :P otherwise, i will not sleep a lot this night :D |
| 00:30.19 | josch | pyknite, just supply us with pixx for our help |
| 00:31.43 | pyknite | no pix... |
| 00:31.53 | pyknite | i just have a term ;) |
| 00:32.20 | pyknite | and not on ssh, in debug mode ;) |
| 00:33.23 | josch | of the device!! |
| 00:33.32 | josch | we want to see the prism tank in action! |
| 00:33.45 | josch | shooting some dinosaurs and such things |
| 00:33.51 | pyknite | hum... doesn't work :( |
| 00:37.49 | pyknite | shit, he doesn't execute my scipt :( |
| 00:38.54 | josch | chmod +x |
| 00:39.15 | pyknite | hum... i'm to tired...i'have forget it |
| 00:39.29 | josch | you have to make your script executeable |
| 00:40.03 | josch | can you start your script by typing /etc/rcX.d/myapp ? |
| 00:40.09 | josch | if you can, so can init |
| 00:41.57 | pyknite | hope it work this time ;) ( and again, thx for your help ;) ) |
| 00:42.13 | josch | np |
| 00:42.18 | josch | i love laser tanks |
| 00:43.17 | pyknite | hum... it's not a laser tank (sry)... i say it use a laser plan |
| 00:43.35 | josch | but, but... |
| 00:43.36 | josch | .( |
| 00:44.14 | pyknite | arghhhh.... doesnt work even with chmod +x |
| 00:44.26 | josch | but you can execute it manually? |
| 00:44.33 | pyknite | is going insane :( |
| 00:45.14 | pyknite | yep can execute manually |
| 00:45.27 | pyknite | my file is in /etc/init.d/ |
| 00:45.35 | josch | via /etc/rcx.d ? |
| 00:46.40 | balrog-k1n | are there other files in /etc/init.d/ that you know get executed? |
| 00:46.42 | pyknite | and i made: ln -s myfile /etc/rc5.d/S99myfile |
| 00:46.51 | pyknite | balrog-k1n: yes |
| 00:46.53 | balrog-k1n | and is there a self-destruct function in the robot? |
| 00:47.10 | josch | wrong question |
| 00:47.11 | pyknite | when i go in /etc/rc5.d and type ls i can see the file |
| 00:47.23 | josch | are there self destruct explosives in the robot? |
| 00:47.37 | pyknite | josch: nope :( |
| 00:47.43 | josch | ah! |
| 00:47.48 | balrog-k1n | yeah, that's that i wondering |
| 00:48.01 | balrog-k1n | pyknite: you can run your script from any other script |
| 00:48.08 | balrog-k1n | if you know one of them works |
| 00:48.14 | pyknite | yep why not |
| 00:48.17 | josch | pyknite, nope there are no explosives or no you cant execute it manually from /etc/rcX.d ? |
| 00:48.18 | balrog-k1n | it'll be hack but it probably doesn't matter |
| 00:48.41 | balrog-k1n | damn i completely can't type |
| 00:49.22 | pyknite | josch: both |
| 00:49.27 | josch | ha |
| 00:49.30 | pyknite | :P |
| 00:49.31 | josch | there your problem lies |
| 00:49.50 | josch | as long as you cannot execute it manually from rcX.d init.d cant do wither |
| 00:49.52 | josch | either |
| 00:49.58 | pyknite | ok |
| 00:50.12 | josch | you sure you linked correctly? |
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| 00:50.33 | josch | give us ls -lha /etc/rcX.d/S99myfile |
| 00:50.44 | pyknite | when i type ls in etc/rc5.d i see the file, but when i try for example to edit, he say that the file doesnt exist |
| 00:51.01 | josch | then you linked wrong |
| 00:51.03 | balrog-k1n | you should use an absolute path to make the symlink in this case |
| 00:51.07 | josch | give us ls -lha /etc/rcX.d/S99myfile |
| 00:51.16 | josch | then we will see where the link points to |
| 00:52.22 | pyknite | oki 2 sec... i'm rebboting |
| 00:52.28 | balrog-k1n | what arm board does it use? |
| 00:52.50 | pyknite | colibri from toradex |
| 00:53.50 | pyknite | toradex.com |
| 00:54.00 | balrog-k1n | has never played with this one |
| 00:54.57 | pyknite | ( the embedded department of my school use that) |
| 00:56.24 | pyknite | ahhh it work... but i execute it from an other script wich is executed at boot ;) |
| 00:57.26 | balrog-k1n | how big are they? |
| 00:57.35 | balrog-k1n | also what's the max speed they can move at? |
| 00:57.45 | balrog-k1n | wonders if there's risk that the robots tomorrow turn against their creators and take over the event and then the rest of the world |
| 00:58.33 | pyknite | says: our robot is not a cylon :P |
| 00:59.46 | mwester | Maximillion? |
| 01:10.06 | social_gentoo | the_best of openmoko is the laser pointer.... |
| 01:13.14 | etinin | that pen can be bought for $2 on ebay |
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| 03:17.53 | rwhitby | is anyone else getting a do_fetch failure on linux-openmoko? |
| 03:17.55 | rwhitby | fatal: failed to unpack tree object 927c22fef4b386a419b0ac684815881a7d489775 |
| 03:18.02 | rwhitby | NOTE: package linux-openmoko-2_2.6.24+git2+927c22fef4b386a419b0ac684815881a7d489775-r0: task do_fetch: failed |
| 03:18.20 | mmontour | rwhitby: Yes, I get that frequently |
| 03:18.48 | mwester | All the time. |
| 03:19.14 | mwester | I get a good download of the git stuff maybe once out of 5 - 20 attempts, over the course of 4 - 8 hours. |
| 03:19.56 | mmontour | I don't know if I've ever got a good version from git - it seems that when it works, it's because I've downloaded a cached tarball from the Openmoko server |
| 03:20.10 | mwester | It's the single biggest obstacle to building OM anymore; I haven't figured out how to make the thing use the repos it already has downloaded, it insists on re-downloading each and every build... |
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| 06:12.18 | zeno | will "edge" (tmobile) work with the freerunner? |
| 06:12.32 | summatusmentis | nope, only gprs |
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| 06:51.06 | _ectomorp | anyone know how soon after massproduction of the freerunner, it will be available to buy ? |
| 06:55.29 | Sonicadvance | 7 days =o |
| 06:55.50 | _ectomorp | omg |
| 06:55.51 | _ectomorp | :) |
| 06:55.55 | Sonicadvance | oh wait |
| 06:56.02 | Sonicadvance | I lied, I don't know :D |
| 06:56.41 | _ectomorp | hehe |
| 06:58.10 | _ectomorp | the 16th was supposed to be the magic date |
| 06:58.12 | _ectomorp | ;) |
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| 07:14.04 | patoh | _ectomorp: the 16th was the last day in the estimated production window |
| 07:14.16 | patoh | that is only the start of mass production |
| 07:14.59 | patoh | and it has been stated before, the web shop will not open till all the phones from the first mass production run are at the docks |
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| 07:32.32 | noorul | hello all |
| 07:32.36 | noorul | how is this phone? |
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| 10:09.31 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r2a6e6ab79628 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): python-ophoned: start with org.freesmartphone.SIM.StoreMessage. Not working yet, need to improve my parser to handle continuation lines :D |
| 10:09.31 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r60ae64d2d30c 10/setup.py: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:python-ophoned |
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| 12:10.08 | spydon | have the production started? |
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| 12:15.59 | SpeedEvil | heads to the store to buy |
| 12:16.01 | SpeedEvil | groceries. |
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| 12:26.45 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> Welcome to the Openmoko support and discussion channel ! The Freerunner phone (with wifi) should have completed the first mass production run. ! Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
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| 12:49.29 | ccfly | hello ! :> |
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| 13:00.26 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 13:00.36 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
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| 13:07.33 | tubastian | hi everybody |
| 13:07.39 | dcordes | hi tubastian |
| 13:09.13 | tubastian | do you know if the openmoku is allowed to be used in germany? i heard some weird rumors about that it could not be licensed to be used with GSM. |
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| 13:12.23 | tubastian | i am not sure about but i thought the gsm part itself is not open source and so usage should be allowed as it is with other smartphone. |
| 13:12.48 | SpeedEvil | As far as I understand it, it's got CE approval |
| 13:13.36 | cyrilRomain | ~lart java with a lightsaber |
| 13:13.36 | apt | gives java with a lightsaber an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending java with a lightsaber to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 13:14.05 | tubastian | ah, cool... so i must have it :> |
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| 13:17.17 | tubastian | any idea how sale will be organised? when do you think one can get one in germany (i read the community updates)? what was it like with the neo 1973? |
| 13:17.32 | SpeedEvil | tubastian: yes - there is a seperate vendor for EU |
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| 13:21.14 | ccfly | TriSoft will sell openmoko in europe |
| 13:21.18 | ccfly | there's also one other |
| 13:22.55 | tubastian | ah, thx, i found a reference in the faq, just haven't noticed it before |
| 13:23.38 | ccfly | pulster.de is the second vendor |
| 13:24.11 | ccfly | although i signed up for preorder of freerunner and I haven't got any confirmation so fatr |
| 13:24.12 | ccfly | r |
| 13:24.13 | ccfly | far |
| 13:24.18 | ccfly | typos damn you ! |
| 13:24.33 | ccfly | @TriSoft |
| 13:26.46 | dcordes | oh pulster is also selling? |
| 13:26.58 | dcordes | I thought only trisoft was |
| 13:27.10 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r12b20ab3bc77 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): |
| 13:27.10 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: python-ophoned: fix parser to handle continuation lines ('\r\n> ') necessary for storing and sending SMS |
| 13:27.10 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.StoreMessage() now working. |
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| 13:29.22 | tubastian | pulster is 50 euros cheaper, and as far as even trisoft can not guarantee to ship first and i can wait a few days i will try pulster :) |
| 13:30.27 | CVirus | no update from steve yet ! |
| 13:33.24 | ccfly | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/HXD8 |
| 13:33.30 | ccfly | interesting |
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| 13:34.08 | CVirus | ccfly: HXD8 == Dash Express |
| 13:34.24 | CVirus | ccfly: http://dash.net/ |
| 13:34.25 | ccfly | ahh |
| 13:34.35 | ccfly | didn't connect those two |
| 13:35.22 | ccfly | ah yes the date |
| 13:35.50 | fulgas | Toucher l'horizon - Toucher L'Horizon - Admiral T (x«amarok) |
| 13:37.39 | dcordes | ma benz benz benz |
| 13:38.08 | dcordes | touche pas a ma musique! |
| 13:38.49 | Tanuva | tubastian: but how can pulster achieve such a low price? this makes me consider revoking my trisoft order... |
| 13:39.22 | dcordes | Tanuva: what's freerunner at pulsteR? |
| 13:39.31 | Tanuva | 299⬠|
| 13:39.42 | dcordes | nice I'm buying mine at pulster. |
| 13:40.00 | tubastian | i don't know... maybe both buy them for about 200 and pulster just wants to have 100 and trisoft 150 ;) |
| 13:40.28 | Tanuva | seems like Ive got to send trisoft a friendly mail.. ;) |
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| 13:40.43 | dcordes | o well |
| 13:41.02 | dcordes | I will wait a few months anyway |
| 13:41.26 | dcordes | maybe until first are sold out |
| 13:41.53 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.21 | dcordes | is there a fixed device count in production or do they just produce more when more are bought? |
| 13:42.36 | Tanuva | I really hope so |
| 13:42.38 | SpeedEvil | dcordes: the implication has been that more will be produced |
| 13:43.08 | dcordes | k that's good |
| 13:43.53 | dcordes | I hope it will be a huge success with decent media response |
| 13:44.09 | SpeedEvil | I hope not - for the initial release. |
| 13:44.23 | SpeedEvil | As the software is _not_ in a state suitable for the media |
| 13:44.35 | tubastian | that means? |
| 13:44.38 | SpeedEvil | Except the most extreme geeky media. |
| 13:44.50 | SpeedEvil | The phone calls and SMSs mostly OK. |
| 13:45.09 | SpeedEvil | Other features are generally minimally or unimplemented |
| 13:46.43 | dcordes | SpeedEvil: you hope not? |
| 13:47.28 | SpeedEvil | dcordes: a hundred reviews saying 'it's shit' would be a bad thing. |
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| 13:48.22 | SpeedEvil | And from a general users point of view, who does not care about opennes, it's lacking in, or impossible to use the features that would make it good. |
| 13:49.09 | tubastian | the iphone has been sold nevertheless ;) |
| 13:49.11 | mwester | Positioning will be important. Even for those who value openness, it is clearly still a "work in progress" more than a destination at this point in time. |
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| 13:50.21 | mwester | tubastian: I am confused by your comment -- the iphone's user interface is rather well done, and very complete. Comparing the current state of the iphone with OM is rather unfair. |
| 13:50.55 | SpeedEvil | The iphone is orders of magnitude more polished than OM now |
| 13:51.17 | SpeedEvil | If OM was that ready, I wouldn't have hesitations in shouting it from the rooftops. |
| 13:53.24 | CVirus | I want my OM now |
| 13:53.44 | CVirus | I just came out of a near death experience |
| 13:53.51 | CVirus | I want my compensation .. NOW ! |
| 13:54.12 | T | exit |
| 13:54.20 | tubastian | mwester: the iphone has some disadvantages (e.g. storage battery) and people buy anyway... it do not think that the OM must be perfect to be of good standing |
| 13:56.14 | SpeedEvil | In no significant way to end users is the freerunner going to be better than the iphone when it becomes available. |
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| 13:56.21 | SpeedEvil | (normal end users) |
| 13:56.42 | SpeedEvil | (barring delays) |
| 13:58.01 | tubastian | presumably not, but i dont care |
| 13:59.33 | dcordes | CVirus: holy crap what happened? |
| 13:59.46 | CVirus | a serious car accident |
| 13:59.54 | CVirus | but I'm fine |
| 13:59.58 | dcordes | that's heavy anybody harmed? |
| 14:00.03 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: oops - I missed that. |
| 14:00.05 | CVirus | dcordes: nope |
| 14:00.10 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: car accidents are not fun. |
| 14:00.16 | CVirus | yeah .. not fun at all |
| 14:00.28 | CVirus | i'm glad everyone's okay |
| 14:00.35 | CVirus | my first car accident ever |
| 14:00.36 | SpeedEvil | I have one track in openstreetmap, that ends with a node tagged 'oops'. |
| 14:00.43 | CVirus | haha |
| 14:00.53 | CVirus | I want my FreeRunner now !! |
| 14:00.55 | tubastian | after having used the ogo ct 17 (ogo.com) with very bad software on it, i do not want a smartphone i cannot control mysqlf |
| 14:01.18 | SpeedEvil | Departed the road at 35MPH at a significant angle, and headed down an embankment decellerating at 1.5G |
| 14:01.48 | SpeedEvil | It seemed to take lots longer than the logs indicate. |
| 14:02.01 | mwester | And did you come to rest abruptly upon attempting to violate a basic law of physics? |
| 14:02.04 | CVirus | I hate this fucken country ... we called the police and they couldn't make it .. they don't know the fucken way ... so we had to go an pick them up with another car |
| 14:02.36 | SpeedEvil | mwester: fortunately not - ended up going through a barrier - which fortunately was of the swingaway variety |
| 14:02.46 | SpeedEvil | mwester: car was buggered though |
| 14:03.35 | CVirus | Anyone here studying at sweden ? |
| 14:03.42 | dcordes | CVirus: you had to pick up the police? |
| 14:03.59 | CVirus | dcordes: yes ... this is how it works in Egypt |
| 14:04.06 | CVirus | people serve the police |
| 14:04.08 | CVirus | not the other way round |
| 14:04.21 | dcordes | what about the ambulance? |
| 14:04.29 | CVirus | and the police officer was like "I didn't have my pleasure today (hash) ... you guys got any ?" |
| 14:04.45 | CVirus | dcordes: no ambulance .. no one was injured .. even if we asked for an ambulance .. it would reach us after like 60 minutes at least |
| 14:04.56 | CVirus | dcordes: I'm living in the world's worst country |
| 14:05.09 | SpeedEvil | passes CVirus burmah. |
| 14:05.10 | CVirus | people all around the world don't know what is REALLY happening here in Egypt |
| 14:05.28 | dcordes | crap you pick up the cops to handle your accident and all they want is dope? |
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| 14:05.41 | CVirus | dcordes: exactly |
| 14:05.50 | CVirus | we're being humiliated inside this country |
| 14:06.39 | CVirus | ah and by the way ... in Egypt .. if you get caught importing an devices that has GPS .. you go to jail |
| 14:06.43 | CVirus | GPS is illegal in Egypt |
| 14:06.52 | CVirus | any* |
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| 14:07.05 | XorA|gone | CVirus: out of intereset, why is it illegal? |
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| 14:07.19 | SpeedEvil | Terrorist worries? |
| 14:07.53 | CVirus | no ... our social security and intelligence dept. or whatever they call it .. think that GPS can be used illegally |
| 14:07.58 | CVirus | I dunno in what way |
| 14:08.02 | Tuju | CVirus: i recall hearing that you cannot have GPS in russia too, but can't confirm it. |
| 14:08.05 | CVirus | they just think so .. but I'm sure no one knows wtf is it |
| 14:08.05 | XorA|gone | CVirus: maybe all the maps are wrong |
| 14:08.06 | zedstar_ | some weird laws...metal detectors are illegal in turkey! |
| 14:08.12 | CVirus | XorA|gone: wtf .. LOL |
| 14:08.13 | CVirus | no |
| 14:08.21 | XorA|gone | CVirus: and no-one wants you to know about that space time vortex in middle |
| 14:08.30 | CVirus | exactly |
| 14:08.31 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: because they have people digging up heritage and selling it on ebay in a huge way. |
| 14:08.41 | zedstar_ | yeh that was my plan |
| 14:09.06 | CVirus | one more thing about Egypt ... any police officer has the right to kick you and beat you and jail you even if you've done NOTHING |
| 14:09.06 | XorA|gone | although UK is heading the way of insane laws |
| 14:09.12 | CVirus | brb .. food |
| 14:09.19 | SpeedEvil | XorA|gone: true |
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| 14:09.30 | XorA|gone | CVirus: we have the same law, its call the Terrorism Act |
| 14:09.46 | CVirus | they're abusing it in here |
| 14:09.48 | SpeedEvil | XorA|gone: they tend to br reluctant to kick prisoners. |
| 14:09.49 | CVirus | XorA|gone: where do you live ? |
| 14:09.54 | SpeedEvil | XorA|gone: they just shoot them. |
| 14:10.01 | XorA|gone | CVirus: UK |
| 14:10.34 | XorA|gone | CVirus: they are trying to force through a law that basically "suspected" terrorists can be jailed indefineately with no public evidence |
| 14:10.35 | CVirus | XorA|gone: dude ... there was my friend .. a police officer stopped him and was like "give me money for my breakfast" .. my friend said no ... he was jailed for a month |
| 14:10.39 | dcordes | you mustn't import stones from turkey either |
| 14:10.41 | CVirus | exactly |
| 14:11.07 | CVirus | HUMAN RIGHTS MY ASS |
| 14:11.32 | zedstar_ | the placed where i lived in turkey had a greek alter on top of a rock which u could probably lift quite easily...wonder how much i could have got on ebay for that :) |
| 14:15.11 | dcordes | the egypt police seems to be sort of a crooked bunch |
| 14:18.29 | summatusmentis | XorA|gone: the US has one of those terrorism laws |
| 14:18.35 | summatusmentis | we love it here :-/ |
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| 14:23.19 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: but yours has a much cooler name! |
| 14:23.50 | patoh | SpeedEvil: the Freedom Act? |
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| 14:37.19 | ScaredyCat | patriot |
| 14:38.26 | dcordes | good old patriot act |
| 14:38.45 | mickey|cold | can anyone give me a sample output of AT+CNUM |
| 14:38.59 | dcordes | it had those deadlines nobody cared about |
| 14:39.04 | mickey|cold | (one that does not return a CME ERRROR which happens for most SIMs) |
| 14:39.36 | CVirus | patriotism my ass |
| 14:40.12 | mwester | 5029.985: -> AT+CNUM. |
| 14:40.13 | mwester | 5031.130: <- ..+CME ERROR: 22.. |
| 14:40.20 | mwester | :( It usually works. |
| 14:40.25 | mwester | Let me try again. |
| 14:40.41 | mickey|cold | need to be in PIN READY status because this command reads from the SIM |
| 14:40.52 | mickey|cold | 22 is what i would expect from most SIMs |
| 14:41.05 | mickey|cold | since SIMs with stored subscriber numbers are _very_ rare |
| 14:41.08 | mickey|cold | in fact i never seen one :/ |
| 14:41.36 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.42 | mickey|cold | oooh |
| 14:41.44 | mickey|cold | excellent! |
| 14:41.51 | mickey|cold | just what i need |
| 14:41.52 | balrog-kun | similar output on mine |
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| 14:41.56 | ScaredyCat | obviously the x's are mine |
| 14:42.07 | mickey|cold | righto, thanks a lot |
| 14:42.31 | ScaredyCat | np |
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| 14:43.15 | balrog-kun | mickey|cold: note that it's allowed to return multiple lines |
| 14:43.18 | balrog-kun | all of the same form |
| 14:43.25 | mickey|cold | yep |
| 14:45.24 | SpeedEvil | mickey|cold: at least it's common int he UK |
| 14:45.46 | ScaredyCat | that's a UK Virgin SIM |
| 14:45.48 | SpeedEvil | STR=`at+cnum' |
| 14:45.48 | SpeedEvil | RSTR=`+CNUM: "LINE 1","447943894922",145' |
| 14:46.00 | ScaredyCat | phones SpeedEvil |
| 14:46.03 | SpeedEvil | UK t-mobile |
| 14:46.10 | mickey|cold | yeah, things like that differ a lot within the world |
| 14:46.20 | mickey|cold | unfortunately in germany i don't get any cell broadcasts :/ |
| 14:46.20 | ScaredyCat | you have 44 |
| 14:46.24 | Svenasch780 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoSoftwareStack is this in any way precise, or where are my android and evince apps? which is the name of the ipkg package which displays the clock and the utilities-games-tools-all menu at the start desktop ? |
| 14:46.26 | ScaredyCat | I'm roaming atm too |
| 14:46.48 | ScaredyCat | I dunno about cell bcasts when roamong |
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| 14:46.53 | balrog-kun | mickey|cold: you can use phonesim to emulate a cb |
| 14:47.27 | mickey|cold | balrog-kun: sounds good. i never looked in that. i would need to hook it up to my parsing code |
| 14:48.14 | Svenasch780 | my desktop disappeared, i can bring some menu "aux " and powermngment with the side keys, but the screen is mainly empty: i want my fat clock back |
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| 14:48.38 | balrog-kun | if your gsm daemon works on OM already, you can just use qemu with phonesim |
| 14:48.39 | ScaredyCat | oh, he said 'clock'... |
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| 14:49.26 | balrog-kun | my operator fortunately sends me a CB everytime i reconnect or change cells, so i could use that when implementing CBs in gsmd |
| 14:50.03 | Svenasch780 | grml, so unstable... reinstalling doesnt seem to help...though it helped once, i thought task-openmoko-ui was the name, but that doenst work now.. |
| 14:57.00 | mickey|cold | balrog-kun: ah, that's handy. |
| 14:57.14 | mickey|cold | i mean i have all the specs, but i always like to see those messages "in the wild" |
| 14:57.30 | mickey|cold | but i guess i will get input once my gsm daemon will be deployed ;) |
| 14:58.48 | mwester | is interested in an alternate gsm daemon! |
| 14:59.38 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: does the modem by default day anything? |
| 14:59.46 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun:s ay |
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| 15:01.14 | ScaredyCat | deploy! deploy! deploy! |
| 15:01.49 | mickey|cold | hehe |
| 15:01.50 | mickey|cold | soon |
| 15:02.53 | mickey|cold | modem communication and parsing core seems rock solid now, just need to add more of the dbus API |
| 15:03.19 | SpeedEvil | wonders about suspend |
| 15:03.42 | mickey|cold | should be on the agenda in one or two weeks |
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| 15:04.59 | mwester | mickey|cold: Is there a defined mechanism yet for how the daemon will enter suspend (and resume)? Or yet to be done? |
| 15:05.09 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r015a81c31161 10/ (TODO ophoned/gsm/mediator.py ophoned/objects.py): python-ophoned: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetFeatures() implemented. |
| 15:05.32 | mickey|cold | off the top of my head it goes like that: |
| 15:05.51 | mickey|cold | odeviced gets a "suspend" query via dbus |
| 15:06.04 | mickey|cold | requests ophoned to prepare the modem for suspend |
| 15:06.18 | mickey|cold | then suspends |
| 15:06.29 | mickey|cold | when it comes back, need to ask why |
| 15:06.38 | mickey|cold | and if it was the modem, check whether we lost some characters on the way |
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| 15:07.26 | mickey|cold | that's the high level overview, i bet there are some lowlevel nasties embedded there, but i will go to these, when I'm there |
| 15:07.54 | mwester | Would it be helpful if there was a sysfs API that could inform one if the reason for wakeup was a GSM interrrupt or other? |
| 15:08.20 | mickey|cold | actually i have been promised the reason would be in cmdline |
| 15:08.26 | mickey|cold | but this no longer seems to work |
| 15:08.41 | mickey|cold | we definitely needs this info somewhere |
| 15:08.44 | mickey|cold | sysfs would be a good place imo |
| 15:09.01 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: youe mean when you receive a cell broadcast? |
| 15:10.02 | mwester | I was unaware that the cmdline would be altered by resume -- that would require u-boot assistance, I think. |
| 15:10.07 | mwester | goes off to google |
| 15:10.33 | mickey|cold | mwester: we have a bug entry about that |
| 15:10.42 | mickey|cold | do a bugzilla for 'wakeup' or 'reason' |
| 15:11.20 | mickey|cold | hmm, fun |
| 15:11.23 | mickey|cold | quicksearch no longer works |
| 15:11.39 | mickey|cold | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=80 |
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| 15:15.19 | mwester | Ah, thanks. |
| 15:17.54 | mickey|cold | as Harald says this once was working |
| 15:18.03 | mickey|cold | but back then i never had the chance to test and confirm |
| 15:18.08 | mickey|cold | i just now that now it's not working |
| 15:18.11 | mickey|cold | s/now/know/ |
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| 15:35.39 | ScaredyCat | heheh |
| 15:35.52 | ScaredyCat | read " mickey|cold meant:" as "mickey|cold meat" |
| 15:36.23 | mickey|cold | not yet ;) |
| 15:36.31 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 15:37.06 | ScaredyCat | yeah, at least release the gsm daemon first |
| 15:41.18 | mwester | or put on a jacket or a sweater. |
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| 15:55.50 | mickey|cold | well |
| 15:55.57 | mickey|cold | actually i have a cold, it's not that i'm feeling cold ;) |
| 16:00.28 | SpeedEvil | passes mickey|cold Norton Antivirus. |
| 16:00.52 | Sup3rkiddo | heh... |
| 16:00.56 | Sup3rkiddo | that was lame |
| 16:01.52 | ScaredyCat | so is norton antivirus |
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| 16:06.38 | Dominus | Norton Antivirus is awesome! It tells you exactly when your safe or not with this cool yellow button. |
| 16:07.18 | Sup3rkiddo | the only safe computer is the one which is switched off |
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| 16:11.49 | nezza-_- | Sup3rkiddo: only if the memory is already empty :) |
| 16:11.54 | ScaredyCat | well it's not safe then either.... if you leave it on the train |
| 16:12.15 | Sup3rkiddo | didnt get the train part :/ |
| 16:12.42 | ScaredyCat | well, some mofo would probably walk off with it |
| 16:12.54 | ScaredyCat | uploads awesome images... |
| 16:12.59 | Sup3rkiddo | ah right |
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| 16:13.42 | ScaredyCat | spanks XorA|gone |
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| 16:17.32 | abraxa_ | hands ScaredyCat a paddle - try this, fellow |
| 16:19.47 | ScaredyCat | ~spank XorA|gone |
| 16:19.47 | apt | ACTION bends XorA|gone over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on XorA|gone's pasty white buttocks. |
| 16:20.26 | Sup3rkiddo | past white what! |
| 16:20.32 | Sup3rkiddo | lol |
| 16:22.42 | abraxa_ | wonders how apt knows that XorA|gone is white |
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| 16:24.44 | ScaredyCat | he lives in the uk ... |
| 16:25.11 | ScaredyCat | so whatever colour his skin, it's going to be pasty white .. |
| 16:25.25 | ScaredyCat | I'll get me coat |
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| 16:28.34 | mwester | thinks he would become very wealthy if he could figure out how to export sunlight to the UK. |
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| 16:29.17 | ScaredyCat | bend over? |
| 16:29.27 | CVirus | what for ? |
| 16:29.39 | ScaredyCat | exporting sunlight |
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| 16:29.56 | CVirus | whatever |
| 16:30.04 | ScaredyCat | tries to find someone on the same wavelenght |
| 16:30.24 | ScaredyCat | explains to CVirus ... |
| 16:30.37 | ScaredyCat | the sun shines out of mwester's arse |
| 16:32.05 | ScaredyCat | watches lots of gstreams plugins go by |
| 16:36.18 | Sup3rkiddo | arse? ScaredyCat, are you from uk? |
| 16:38.52 | balrog-kun | they should just sail to somewhere closer to the ecuator line |
| 16:40.29 | ScaredyCat | Sup3rkiddo: yes |
| 16:41.20 | Sup3rkiddo | muhaha..i am S.M.A.R.D |
| 16:42.01 | Sup3rkiddo | er..S.M.A.R.T |
| 16:42.27 | tedo | :-D |
| 16:43.15 | josch | hahaha |
| 16:43.25 | josch | i know how to spel |
| 16:43.28 | josch | :P |
| 16:43.49 | Sup3rkiddo | feels guilty for shamelessly stealing Homer Simpson's gags |
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| 16:47.08 | patco444 | One very interesting game for the maniacs that are playing strategies or RPG, so if you want to take part in this game skype : patco444 ... http://www.fallensword.com/?ref=1461055 |
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| 16:49.42 | ccfly | <Sup3rkiddo> the only safe computer is the one which is switched off <-- put a stake though it's CPU just to be sure |
| 16:50.24 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
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| 17:27.44 | hhf423 | moin |
| 17:30.27 | hhf423 | downloads the scaredycat images from today |
| 17:31.34 | Svenasch780 | well...belongs to openezx but... XMMS is, what crumbles my OM desktop ... or , (very) maybe, one of its libraries |
| 17:31.34 | hhf423 | starts flashing |
| 17:31.40 | Svenasch780 | without really being opened |
| 17:32.16 | Svenasch780 | any idea? |
| 17:33.24 | hhf423 | is there a dfu_util for Mac OS X? Or just for Linux? |
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| 17:36.36 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r8c154ee59a66 10/ophoned/ (gsm/channel.py gsm/mediator.py gsm/unsol.py objects.py): python-ophoned: handle unsolicited message '+CREG', query modem for additional data, then send dbus signal |
| 17:36.58 | mickey|cold | hhf423: check the community or devel mailing list, someone did it also for MacOSX |
| 17:37.06 | mickey|cold | enough work for today |
| 17:37.07 | mickey|cold | cya |
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| 17:37.18 | hhf423 | right, thanks |
| 17:37.36 | abraxa_ | hhf423: There's also a video on YouTube that has infos and links on how to flash from a Mac |
| 17:37.50 | hhf423 | oh, ok |
| 17:38.15 | hhf423 | is finished flashing and boots the neo |
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| 17:39.21 | hhf423 | I have not followed the lists for a while. is there any expectation when freerunner will be out? |
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| 17:39.47 | hhf423 | like, weeks now or still months? |
| 17:40.24 | spydon | they are supposed to have been started the mass production now... |
| 17:40.37 | hhf423 | doh, booting has not become faster... |
| 17:41.17 | ccfly | Minor correction, After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit the |
| 17:41.17 | ccfly | Yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So, I'd put |
| 17:41.17 | ccfly | the window at May 9 to may 16th. Just to be accurate. |
| 17:41.24 | ccfly | by steve in community updates |
| 17:41.56 | Qwell | MP = mass-production |
| 17:43.47 | hhf423 | ah, ok. so MP starts about now, then give a week or two for the first phones to come off the plan, then give a week for shipping them to distributors, then give a week for them to start shipping etc. |
| 17:44.24 | hhf423 | has the distribution been clarified? it was my understanding that they did not want to do it like last time (i.e. shipping from the US) ? |
| 17:44.39 | hhf423 | like, are any distributors known yet? |
| 17:44.50 | ccfly | europe will be served by trisoft and pulster |
| 17:45.01 | raboof | i wonder, is the battery easily replaced? |
| 17:45.02 | ccfly | ther est of the world will be supplied by openmoko directly |
| 17:46.55 | hhf423 | raboof: in freerunner, the battery can be replaced without switching off the phone. given it has a USB connection |
| 17:47.17 | hhf423 | ccfly: thanks. do they already take orders? |
| 17:47.26 | ccfly | preorders yes |
| 17:48.00 | ccfly | i didn't get any reply from trisoft as of yet though, so I'm waiting to see what happens when phones start shipping |
| 17:48.23 | raboof | hhf423: and are replacement batteries generally available? |
| 17:48.49 | hhf423 | ccfly: did you preorder yet? |
| 17:49.03 | ccfly | yes |
| 17:49.52 | hhf423 | raboof: one of the nokia batteries is somewhat compatible (i.e. is you have a charger for it, it will work in the Neo), but I do not have details for the Freerunner yet |
| 17:50.18 | hhf423 | raboof: I assume that the distributors will also have spare batteries |
| 17:50.35 | hhf423 | ccfly: why did you choose trisoft over pulster? |
| 17:52.00 | ccfly | At that point I didn't even know they were to distribute frenunners |
| 17:52.16 | ccfly | It was only Trisfot then |
| 17:52.27 | ccfly | so I ordered and stopped thinking about it |
| 17:52.30 | hhf423 | pulster: 299 EUR, trisoft 350 EUR |
| 17:53.19 | hhf423 | ah, pulster does not yet accept pre-orders |
| 17:53.20 | ccfly | tax inclusive ? |
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| 17:53.37 | ccfly | ah yes they do |
| 17:53.42 | ccfly | Alle Preise inkl. Mwst. und zzgl. |
| 17:53.59 | hhf423 | well, they do not state the official price yet. they say it might be 299 |
| 17:54.57 | hhf423 | right. so I'll just wait until they accept orders |
| 17:55.21 | ccfly | I don't see why not :) |
| 17:56.53 | mjr | hmm, 299 aim... ordering from there instead of 10-pack direct might be okay |
| 17:57.27 | hhf423 | is there a price yet for 10 pack? |
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| 17:59.45 | tedo | it should be 369$ * 10, instead of 399$ * 10 |
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| 18:06.22 | hhf423 | quite a price |
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| 18:07.09 | tedo | it's not so bad in euro :-) |
| 18:07.25 | hhf423 | yes, if you do not buy it in euro |
| 18:08.38 | hhf423 | is there any news if there will ever be decent power management on the Neo? |
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| 18:17.43 | ccfly | there will be decent power management, altough it will probably take a bit more time to manage all the quirks |
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| 18:20.04 | hhf423 | I'd like that |
| 18:20.44 | balrog-kun | no the plan is to have only indecent power management and suffer for ever |
| 18:22.04 | hhf423 | balrog-kun: at one point it looked like there was a hardware problem with Neo973 that would prevent it from ever having good power management. So that is now confirmed not the case? |
| 18:24.21 | balrog-kun | hhf423: well, i hear it should work for up to 12+ hours on a full battery once the software is fixed, but, |
| 18:24.29 | hhf423 | anyways, I'd assume that if there is a hardware bug, the answer would then not be: suffer forever, but: doh, buy a freerunner already |
| 18:24.39 | balrog-kun | hhf423: there is no one in authority to confirm such a thing without actually implementing it |
| 18:25.04 | balrog-kun | it's only known for sure that no further hardware bug prevents good power managemente once the software is there and it's tested |
| 18:25.49 | hhf423 | caesarB the only one working on that? |
| 18:26.37 | hhf423 | cesarb: you're not the only one working on power management, right? |
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| 18:31.52 | Tanuva | Ive searched all over the wiki but havent found anything, now Im here: on the Toolchain page (and the toolchain itself) it says it wants libmokoui2. But where may I get this holy lib? |
| 18:32.02 | hhf423 | is flashing a recent qtopia image |
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| 18:34.49 | hhf423 | hums "again & again" |
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| 18:36.47 | abraxa_ | Tanuva: "it says it wants" - what says that? |
| 18:36.57 | Tanuva | om-conf |
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| 18:37.03 | Tanuva | or something om-conf calls |
| 18:37.11 | abraxa_ | om-conf is part of the SDK? |
| 18:37.34 | Tanuva | it came with the toolchain tar.gz that I was told to download on the Toolchain page |
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| 18:38.04 | hhf423 | this sounds promising http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01Standby |
| 18:38.30 | abraxa_ | Tanuva: Well, I'd assume libmokoui2 ships with the SDK |
| 18:38.54 | Tanuva | me too |
| 18:39.10 | abraxa_ | Did you check the lib directories? |
| 18:39.55 | Tanuva | of my own system? yes |
| 18:40.49 | abraxa_ | Of the SDK, I mean |
| 18:41.00 | abraxa_ | Maybe some environment variable isn't set properly |
| 18:41.15 | Tanuva | Ive built a deb from the toolchain tar.gz like the page says and installed it - and libmokoui2 is mentioned in the prerequisites chapter to be installable using apt, but its not in the repositories I have and I dont know about any om-repo... |
| 18:42.19 | Tanuva | so. ahm. which "sdk" do you mean, exactly? |
| 18:43.53 | Svenasch780 | you are evil. like xmms. noone warned me. me sad . go bbq |
| 18:45.07 | Svenasch780 | ist beleidigt |
| 18:46.19 | Tanuva | kann nich so ganz nachvollziehen, wovon Svenasch780 da redet.... |
| 18:46.30 | hhf423 | auch nicht |
| 18:46.52 | balrog-kun | volkswagen |
| 18:47.34 | Svenasch780 | xmms on minimal openmoko mit ipkg auf a780 leads to nothing, but a few icons desktop |
| 18:48.11 | Tanuva | interessante sprachmischung :) |
| 18:48.35 | hhf423 | Svenasch780: we are very sorry for you. Honestly. So sorry. |
| 18:48.38 | Svenasch780 | i think you have the same on the neo, despite i wonder where you got this opkg system from, i have ipkg here |
| 18:49.00 | hhf423 | hmm, qtopia does not ask for PIN, whats its problem? |
| 18:50.52 | Tanuva | arrr das kann doch nich wahr sein... ich will doch einfach nur die toolchain. es verlangt ein paket, das aber irgendwie verschollen ist... |
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| 18:52.10 | hhf423 | grows grey hair while the Neo boots |
| 18:53.05 | Svenasch780 | altogether i am not really able to differentiate, what it is all about now: qtopia on FIC Neo??? not OM? i mean, how do i keep from getting offtopic, when there is so many "roms" like GPE, qtopiy, and what is angstrom, or openezx now? qtopia, Openmoko, e-wm, there is matchbox, what about opie, can somebody maybe draw a picture about those MANY layers? or OS, Distros and WMs? *grml* |
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| 18:53.58 | Svenasch780 | hhf423: it is just fun, when it boots |
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| 18:54.31 | hhf423 | if it boots |
| 18:54.39 | hhf423 | pulls battery and starts over |
| 18:54.50 | Svenasch780 | isnt it just about the zImage area? as long the ezxboot, or the U-Boot runs, it is all dcent |
| 18:55.48 | hhf423 | you mean uImage? |
| 18:58.33 | Svenasch780 | i have a moto here. sorry |
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| 19:03.00 | hhf423 | pulls battery and starts over with a image from april 21 |
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| 19:12.13 | Tanuva | hm. seems like I gotta get libmokoui2-dev from svn and build it myself... |
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| 19:16.32 | hhf423 | boot! |
| 19:17.12 | tedo | how many times are you booting? |
| 19:17.49 | hhf423 | I am trying different snapshots here |
| 19:17.54 | ScaredyCat | Tanuva:did you source the setup ? |
| 19:18.29 | ScaredyCat | . /usr/local/openmoko/arm/setup-env |
| 19:19.02 | Tanuva | yes |
| 19:20.02 | Tanuva | om-conf even works until the point it checks for libmokoui2 |
| 19:20.07 | ScaredyCat | your config should setup the dependancies... |
| 19:20.14 | ScaredyCat | hrrm |
| 19:21.58 | tedo | 50 |
| 19:22.16 | tedo | 50% of openmoko is build now... |
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| 19:22.56 | hhf423 | wow, this sucks beyond recognition. in this build from april 21 there is still the "does not ask for pin" bug. |
| 19:23.22 | abraxa_ | Depends on your POV. |
| 19:23.53 | hhf423 | abraxa_: doesn't it always? |
| 19:24.00 | ScaredyCat | hhf423: have you tried any of my recent ones? |
| 19:24.35 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: yes, tried yours from today earlier today. that worked. |
| 19:25.09 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: I am just looking at the April 21 because it is recommended by the guy doing the Snapshot_review |
| 19:25.28 | ScaredyCat | ahh ok... |
| 19:25.38 | ScaredyCat | mine from today are ASU versions |
| 19:26.13 | fgau | hhf423: try one of the underground images: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ (und alles wird gut ;) |
| 19:26.27 | hhf423 | say, when I boot the Neo directly from a cold start, it stops on the openmoko logo. If I boot into uboot first after a cold start and then boot from there it works, what can that be? |
| 19:26.52 | hhf423 | fgau: good idea. has been a while since I looked at that |
| 19:27.28 | tedo | you are starting it using the same kernel parameters? |
| 19:29.04 | hhf423 | tedo: well, probably my question is: how are the boot parameters different from a cold boot without going through uboot and one with going through uboot? |
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| 19:30.18 | tedo | it depends how you start the kernel from uboot. |
| 19:30.45 | tedo | coldstart -> uboot uses a startscript were the kernel paramerts are specified |
| 19:30.46 | hhf423 | I use the default "boot" menu entry |
| 19:31.49 | tedo | sry, but i only know redboot for now... |
| 19:32.48 | woglinde | if you know bootloader you know all bootloaders |
| 19:32.49 | woglinde | *g* |
| 19:33.20 | tedo | but not the menu and nameing etc... btw redboot sucks |
| 19:34.39 | tedo | the "boot" menu entry does exactly what? botts the kernel with the compiled in parameters or uses the startup script? |
| 19:36.09 | hhf423 | I have no idea. But the "boot" menu entry is not a configurable menu entry like the others, so I would assume it does the same like a standard boot after cload start |
| 19:36.29 | hhf423 | maybe I should update my uboot |
| 19:36.50 | tedo | you have jtag? |
| 19:36.56 | hhf423 | no |
| 19:37.13 | tedo | then i won't. You could brick your phone. |
| 19:37.18 | hhf423 | I have updated my uboot in the past and did not have problems, though |
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| 19:37.33 | tedo | ok. no risk no fun :) |
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| 19:38.05 | tedo | an update of the uboot config should be sufficient |
| 19:38.17 | hhf423 | right, but which part? |
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| 19:38.52 | tedo | the part that contains the startup commands |
| 19:39.17 | mmontour | hhf423: see "bootcmd" and "bootargs_base" |
| 19:39.21 | hhf423 | bootcmd=setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts}; nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel; bootm 0x32000000 |
| 19:39.34 | hhf423 | bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock4 console=tty0 loglevel=8 |
| 19:40.12 | hhf423 | mtdparts=mtdparts=neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00004000(u-boot_env),0x00200000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x03d1c000(rootfs) |
| 19:40.24 | hhf423 | that should be all which is relevant |
| 19:41.31 | mmontour | Also check "bootdelay", which is how long it will wait before booting if you don't hold down the Aux key |
| 19:41.42 | hhf423 | but really, how is booting via uboot(power on with AUX, then select boot) different than booting "cold" (power on and let neo boot) |
| 19:42.17 | hhf423 | bootdelay=10 |
| 19:42.34 | mmontour | There was a bug where it would hang on the "cold" boot, but only if the USB cable wasn't plugged in |
| 19:42.56 | hhf423 | let me chack that |
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| 19:43.39 | hhf423 | ok, right. thats what I have. it boots "cold" ok, when the usb is plugged in |
| 19:43.53 | hhf423 | so thats a uboot bug? I need a newer version? |
| 19:43.55 | ccfly | that bug is squashed, gone and buried |
| 19:44.09 | ccfly | update your uboot |
| 19:44.30 | hhf423 | can you recommend a save version? |
| 19:44.34 | hhf423 | safe |
| 19:45.35 | ccfly | I am afraid not, I'm a bit behind on new versions, but I'am using this one: u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.0+git20071201+svnr3484-r0 |
| 19:45.45 | ccfly | latest one would do I gather |
| 19:46.31 | mmontour | It's a tricky question - the one from around Jan 31 was OK but had a cosmetic issue with the splash screen (IIRC). More recent ones seem to have lost the fix-booting-from-SD patch |
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| 19:47.10 | mmontour | My current image is at http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.3pre+svnr4297+git20080517-r0.bin (tested today on my Neo), but it's not an official build so try it at your own risk |
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| 19:47.15 | hhf423 | ok, let me be bold |
| 19:47.19 | tedo | i got an error building an openmoko image using the mokomakefile: |
| 19:47.28 | hhf423 | downloading march 31 from celtune |
| 19:47.39 | hhf423 | flashing uboot |
| 19:47.46 | tedo | | /media/projects/projects/moko/build/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libc.so when searching for -lc |
| 19:47.46 | tedo | | /usr/lib/libc.a: could not read symbols: File format not recognized |
| 19:47.52 | mmontour | I'd prefer to have someone else with a debug board confirm that it's OK before recommending it for general use. It's built from the "u-boot-openmoko_head.bb" recipe in that same dir. |
| 19:47.58 | hhf423 | unplugging usb, pulling battery, pressing power |
| 19:48.06 | tedo | while building libSDL_mixer |
| 19:48.27 | hhf423 | ok, that one boots ok now even without usb cable plugged in |
| 19:48.34 | woglinde | why do you need libSDL_mixer? |
| 19:48.44 | woglinde | the sdl-packages in oe are a little bit rotten |
| 19:48.58 | tedo | i just typed: make openmoko-devel-image |
| 19:49.09 | tedo | i don't need it really |
| 19:49.44 | hhf423 | mmontour: ok, so uboot u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+svnr4257+gitb29661fc1151077776454288051bc9a488351ce8-r3.bin works here |
| 19:50.43 | hhf423 | mmontour: yours has a higher version number though? |
| 19:51.15 | mmontour | Mine is from the head of the upstream git tree, plus some of my own patches. |
| 19:52.03 | mmontour | (back in a while - lunchtime) |
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| 20:09.22 | hhf423 | doh |
| 20:10.01 | hhf423 | the celtune underground image only allows characters to be put in in what seems to be the PIN request |
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| 20:25.16 | hhf423 | heh, so now the april 21 image works |
| 20:27.00 | cesarb | hhf423: I think I'm the only one working on cpufreq, don't know about the other parts of power management (like disabling parts of the chip that aren't being used). The OM team was working on suspend last I looked. |
| 20:27.59 | hhf423 | cesarb: if I read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01Standby right, then 22+ h of standby are possible at the mo |
| 20:28.18 | hhf423 | thats already usable |
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| 20:29.04 | hhf423 | my minimum requirements are 20h of standby with 2h call time or so. |
| 20:29.22 | cesarb | hhf423: that's acceptable if you only use it as a phone... |
| 20:29.25 | hhf423 | as I usually have a power source at night |
| 20:30.07 | hhf423 | cesarb: yeah, add 1-2h of usage as GPS, Internet Browsing and PIM... |
| 20:30.11 | cesarb | hhf423: if you want to do some things like data logging (marking your route via GPS) or other things which need CPU (but just very little of it), cpufreq would be the best way |
| 20:31.06 | cesarb | hhf423: AFAIK, you currently need power to the CPU to have the screen on, and even with GTA02 (separate video chip) the resume is too slow for iteractive but low-cpu-using use (web browsing for instance) |
| 20:31.24 | hhf423 | I mean, if I play with my iphone a lot, I lasts from dusk till dawn. if I use it a little, it lasts two days. I can live with that. |
| 20:31.26 | cesarb | hhf423: the problem with cpufreq is that you have to modify every. single. driver. |
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| 20:31.35 | hhf423 | outch |
| 20:31.57 | cesarb | hhf423: (ok, not every driver, only the ones for hardware on the SoC... and the SoC has lots of hardware) |
| 20:32.40 | cesarb | The fun would be reducing the power to the chip with the lower frequencies... I didn't even look at that part of the datasheet yet, but should save a lot of power |
| 20:33.17 | cesarb | hhf423: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:CesarB/cpufreq for the list of missing drivers |
| 20:34.20 | XorA|gone | cesarb: poke me sometime to tell me how to fix IIS driver for cpufreq |
| 20:35.07 | cesarb | XorA|gone: I was looking into it some days ago... |
| 20:35.24 | cesarb | XorA|gone: at s3c24xx-i2s.c |
| 20:35.33 | XorA|gone | cesarb: all it should need is to inform the codec we have a different clock speed |
| 20:35.42 | XorA|gone | cesarb: as codec generates all other clocks |
| 20:35.48 | cesarb | XorA|gone: unfortunately, the frequency is set elsewhere, and I didn't start tracing the ALSA structure yet :D |
| 20:36.11 | XorA|gone | neo1973_wm8753.c |
| 20:36.21 | XorA|gone | in sound/soc/s3c24xx/ |
| 20:37.34 | XorA|gone | cesarb: codec_dai->dai_ops.set_pll |
| 20:38.11 | XorA|gone | cesarb: so youll need to store pll_out globally and call than again whenever we speed shift |
| 20:38.30 | cesarb | XorA|gone: you also have to "lock" the frequency so it won't change during play. That would be s3c24xx_i2s_trigger, but if it isn't in process context it would cause problems (the synchronous locking needs process context with no locks held, and it wouldn't surprise me if a ALSA lock is held there, which would then recurse and deadlock) |
| 20:39.02 | XorA|gone | cesarb: unfortuneatly true on s3c2410 |
| 20:39.19 | XorA|gone | cesarb: we can fix that on 2442, the audio clock can be made to never change |
| 20:40.35 | cesarb | XorA|gone: hm, then it can't be in s3c24xx_i2s_trigger, it probably would have to be in neo1973_wm8753.c too... since s3c24xx_i2s_trigger is for both... |
| 20:42.02 | XorA|gone | cesarb: of course, "locking" the frequency means that cpufreq will never work with OM gtk+ software :-( |
| 20:42.17 | cesarb | XorA|gone: you have to lock only during play |
| 20:42.27 | XorA|gone | cesarb: pulseaudio never stops playing |
| 20:42.34 | cesarb | XorA|gone: what? |
| 20:42.34 | XorA|gone | cedric: ever |
| 20:42.41 | XorA|gone | cesarb: ever ever ever |
| 20:42.43 | cesarb | XorA|gone: it wastes cpu generating zeros? |
| 20:42.48 | XorA|gone | cesarb: exactly |
| 20:42.56 | cesarb | XorA|gone: *headdesk* |
| 20:43.15 | hhf423 | brilliant |
| 20:43.31 | XorA|gone | cesarb: during weekday jump on #alsa-soc sometime, Im sure between lrg and broonie we can figure out something |
| 20:43.49 | hhf423 | we should invent a price for that, a medal or so |
| 20:44.24 | hhf423 | "medal for most useless waste of cpu-cycles" |
| 20:44.47 | cesarb | I'm starting to figure we will so need powertop on that thing... |
| 20:45.01 | SpeedEvil | hhf423: It'd render as a 3D spherical mist, spinning. |
| 20:45.16 | hhf423 | SpeedEvil: hrhrhr |
| 20:45.32 | hhf423 | waaahaha, that reminds me... |
| 20:45.52 | mjr | Umm, no it doesn't. (If alsa generates zeroes while pulseaudio has it open, *shrug*) |
| 20:45.52 | XorA|gone | is not impressed with pulse, so if anyone feels like replacing it feel free |
| 20:46.17 | hhf423 | when Windows NT came out, it had OpenGL support. In the kernel space. And a screensaver that could do 3D rendering. |
| 20:46.56 | XorA|gone | mjr: yes it does |
| 20:47.03 | hhf423 | so if you used Windows NT as a file and print server and had a open GL screen saver configured, all would crawl to a halt when the screen saver went on... |
| 20:48.00 | mjr | XorA|gone, well, straceing pulseaudio on my neo not playing anything certainly doesn't show it doing anything else than poll() and gettimeofday() |
| 20:48.38 | mjr | granted, it's doing too much of the latter... |
| 20:48.40 | XorA|gone | mjr: well something keeps passing buffers to the driver to play |
| 20:49.23 | XorA|gone | bets it just fills the buffer with zero then never tells alsa to stop playing it |
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| 20:49.33 | XorA|gone | but still wasting loads of energy |
| 20:49.44 | mjr | now that may be... |
| 20:50.09 | XorA|gone | it used to pause and unpasue, but latest version got rid of that |
| 20:50.59 | mjr | mmyeah, I suppose if alsa is just playing a preset buffer, I suppose it can generate new zeros there between the poll() calls too |
| 20:51.06 | mjr | but I wouldn't know about that |
| 20:51.22 | XorA|gone | cesarb: I wonder how much of a glitch we would get by changing audio clock on the fly |
| 20:51.54 | XorA|gone | mjr: the buffers alsa uses are circular |
| 20:52.03 | mjr | yeah |
| 20:52.11 | XorA|gone | so dont need to generate zeros |
| 20:52.51 | mjr | I know, but you were the first to talk about generating zeros. Which I denied, but there later acknowledged that it is possible (even if not necessary) |
| 20:52.55 | cesarb | XorA|gone: well, with a somewhat recent userspace (which does play ticky sounds when you touch the screen), most of the time it's a normal tick, but sometimes you get horribly corrupted sound |
| 20:53.04 | XorA|gone | technically if we didnt care about latency we could actually send codec to sleep when not playing |
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| 20:53.31 | mjr | regardless, certainly it's something to fix if pulse doesn't stop playback... |
| 20:53.32 | XorA|gone | cesarb: Ive been busy working on ASU so havent tried on gta01 |
| 20:53.57 | XorA|gone | screen clicks make the sound system 1000 times more complex |
| 20:54.06 | cesarb | XorA|gone: but then, I'm not changing the clock, I'm letting it be wrong... I'd expect the codec to recover from a frequency change with only a small click |
| 20:55.21 | XorA|gone | just had a stunning idea for screen clicks cheaply |
| 20:55.48 | mjr | vibrate? :] |
| 20:56.34 | XorA|gone | mjr: that or attache a gpio to audio path and use good old zxspectrum type sound |
| 20:56.49 | XorA|gone | vibrator takes ages to start up from memory |
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| 20:57.06 | mjr | ahh, gpio |
| 20:57.40 | XorA|gone | would make zxspectrum emulator sound authentic :-) |
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| 21:15.37 | XorA|gone | cesarb: horribly corrupted sound is probably the codec pll running outside of its parameters |
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