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| 00:23.19 | Qwell | tip: clicking randomly in the dialer is a bad idea |
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| 00:44.54 | broedge | what is the ssh root password? |
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| 00:49.11 | balrog-kun | broedge: "banana" should work |
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| 00:57.16 | broedge | the angstroms set a root passwd ... or should i read the usb-networking wiki some better |
| 00:57.27 | broedge | wt |
| 00:57.31 | broedge | f |
| 00:57.50 | broedge | cannot ssh in |
| 00:57.57 | raster | hmm |
| 00:58.08 | raster | no password |
| 00:58.13 | broedge | na |
| 00:58.20 | raster | well not on OM |
| 00:58.20 | broedge | enter does not qwork |
| 00:58.34 | broedge | root@192.168.0.202 |
| 00:58.50 | raster | works here |
| 00:58.52 | raster | always has |
| 00:58.59 | broedge | it is OM... but from the Angstrong... |
| 00:59.05 | balrog-kun | any password should work, if it doesn't let you in then your ssh is misconfigured on the pc |
| 00:59.08 | broedge | strom |
| 00:59.32 | balrog-kun | ahm |
| 00:59.51 | SpeedEvil | Or you've flubbed the network configuration, and you're talking to your own PC, trying to login as root. |
| 00:59.58 | broedge | i tried it before with the GPE image, and it let me set my own root pass at startuip |
| 01:00.10 | broedge | pah |
| 01:00.17 | balrog-kun | i thought angstrom used an empty password |
| 01:00.39 | balrog-kun | OM uses no password checking at all |
| 01:00.40 | broedge | but on openmoko, there is no such startup configuration welcome screen |
| 01:00.54 | balrog-kun | in other words you can change your password to anything without issuing any commands :) |
| 01:01.02 | broedge | well... altogether i am still talking about my motorola a780 |
| 01:02.10 | mwester | wishes when people are running a non-standard image that they would SAY SO when they first pose their question. |
| 01:02.56 | A380 | tried some images for it today... and this is the... let me see... it is the Openmoko image, just a dialer and a terminal, screenshot app.... |
| 01:03.41 | A380 | oh...maybe i can set the root in the terminal :} |
| 01:03.51 | A380 | but surely not |
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| 01:05.46 | A380 | it is nice, it makes a 4 tone sound at starrtup... i wonder if this image supports ipkg or opkg or such for leeching the xmms player... as a first app |
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| 01:08.24 | A380 | sorry , i am so dumb, it really lets me open a root terminal, so i set a pass and here i go |
| 01:09.51 | broedje | login welcome screen hello Mr noob please set a root pass. Do you want to use the password reminder? :D |
| 01:10.35 | broedje | it is not my fault, i am a victim of GPE |
| 01:18.28 | SuN | Qwell: who'd you call? :D |
| 01:18.40 | Qwell | SuN: I...don't know. |
| 01:21.34 | mwester | oops! |
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| 02:52.50 | arndot | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.01 | Doobe08 | lol |
| 02:53.16 | Doobe08 | change your password now |
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| 03:24.27 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4429 10/trunk/src/host/toolchain-scripts/: move from the developer's directory to a more sensible place. |
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| 03:42.15 | liwei | hello,how to use wifi? |
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| 03:42.56 | liwei | i couldn't find any wiki tutor use wifi |
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| 04:17.15 | xaid | liwei: wifi is only available in GTA02 (Freerunner) |
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| 04:30.26 | BSCH | hi, liwei |
| 04:31.30 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4430 10/trunk/src/host/toolchain-scripts/ (bin/om-conf scripts/script-env setup-env): update to match the new sysroot structure in oe. |
| 04:31.41 | liwei | well |
| 04:31.58 | liwei | hi |
| 04:33.24 | BSCH | liwei, you could add qq group 11333029 |
| 04:34.23 | liwei | ä½ æ¯ä¸å½çï¼ |
| 04:35.17 | BSCH | yes |
| 04:35.27 | BSCH | please don't type chinese word |
| 04:35.29 | liwei | hehe ,i have in this group |
| 04:35.34 | BSCH | :) |
| 04:36.25 | rtm | I didn't even know you *could* enter Chinese text. Cool! |
| 04:36.51 | BSCH | :) |
| 04:37.13 | mwester | Looks like square boxes on my client :) |
| 04:37.50 | rtm | Looks good on XChat. |
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| 05:21.27 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 05:23.24 | xaid | good morning. |
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| 06:16.58 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * raf62241a92eb 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Modified python tests to allow testing initializations |
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| 06:25.51 | methril|away | morning |
| 06:27.28 | data_jepp | Nice morning indeed, the sun is high and im happy! |
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| 07:00.07 | liwei | hello,why my neo1973 couldn't play mp3 with media player |
| 07:01.35 | rtm | Does anyone know if the Freerunner will ship with any applications which use the gypsy GPS multiplexing daemon? |
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| 07:19.38 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * rab8c84bb35ce 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 07:19.38 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: Modified CallStatus to use ai instead of a(i) signature |
| 07:19.38 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: Added a test for situation where gsmd2 is started when gsm modem has active calls |
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| 07:26.33 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * rfea43412e6b0 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:gsmd2 |
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| 07:34.58 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * rf6b8bee01aca 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added ListCalls to libfreesmartphone. |
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| 07:36.52 | liwei | why my neo doesn't has ipkg? |
| 07:37.07 | liwei | please do me a favor |
| 07:37.20 | rtm | liwei: Openmoko now used opkg, rather than ipkg. |
| 07:38.28 | rtm | liwei: What favor do you need to have done? |
| 07:47.40 | liwei | ok,i will try it |
| 07:48.03 | liwei | thank you for your help from bottom of my heart |
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| 08:05.42 | mne | hi, can anyone tell me the difference between googles android and openmoko. which is the better choice? |
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| 08:06.26 | Tuju | no news on mass production start? |
| 08:07.36 | rtm | mne: They are quite different things. While both are linux based, Android is supported by several large manufacturers, while Openmoko is a smaller project. |
| 08:07.59 | rtm | Openmoko is much more oriented towards community-developed software. |
| 08:09.06 | rtm | Openmoko is trying to make as much information as possible for end users, both about software and hardware. |
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| 08:09.41 | rtm | It is apt to be a much more interesting project for hobbyists, than Android. |
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| 08:09.56 | mne | I found on a site that some parts of android are released under open-source-license and openmoko is completely opensource (except wifi i think) |
| 08:11.13 | rtm | The only closed parts of Openmoko are those dealing directly with some of the chips for which information is available only under a non-dislosure agreement. |
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| 08:14.11 | mne | can i use the openmoko freerunner out of the box (phone, calender, todo, contacts, mp3, wifi, gps)? |
| 08:15.12 | mne | Is the packagemanagement such easy like aptget? |
| 08:15.29 | rtm | mne: The initial release of the Freerunner will be targeted towards developers, so the software will have bugs, and rough edges. |
| 08:16.26 | rtm | 2op "Even the neo1973, the earlier device, can be used for everything you mention above, except Wifi (the neo1973, unlike the Freerunner, has no Wifi). |
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| 08:17.04 | rtm | 2op Openmoko uses the opkg package manager, which works as easily as aptget. |
| 08:17.18 | rtm | 2op "opkg works very well right now. |
| 08:17.21 | patoh | rtm: quick question, that is the status of sending and receving calls on the software side? |
| 08:17.48 | rtm | patoh: I can send and receive calls on my neo1973. |
| 08:17.59 | patoh | rtm: awesome, same with text messages? |
| 08:18.02 | rtm | What does not work well is the suspend feature. |
| 08:18.21 | patoh | so far its on par with my nokia 6300 if it can half send text messages ;) |
| 08:18.27 | patoh | that thing fails like no other |
| 08:18.36 | rtm | Yes, text messages work too. However, without a usable suspend feature, the battery life is very poor. |
| 08:18.47 | patoh | more than a day? |
| 08:19.09 | rtm | No. But that should be fixed on the Freerunner. |
| 08:19.16 | mne | I like the project and i think i will get one as soon as i can use the basic features out of the box |
| 08:19.36 | patoh | ok, that is where my n6300 shines, it can last 23 hours ;) |
| 08:19.40 | rtm | The original neo1973 has problems with suspend which should be fixed on the Freerunner. |
| 08:20.30 | mne | thanks to all developers spending their time to this project |
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| 08:20.37 | rtm | The lack of a really reliable suspend feature is probably the one thing that keeps most people from using their neo1973 as a practical day-to-day phone. |
| 08:21.08 | rtm | But there is every reason to believe the Freerunner will be able to suspend, and will have a practical battery life. |
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| 08:22.01 | methril | with Freerunner now it's a sw feature, the HW feature for longer battery it's ok |
| 08:22.44 | BDo | Well, the use of a tickless kernel should help a bit on the battery life size. |
| 08:23.59 | emdete | tickless? |
| 08:24.44 | BDo | Yep, the feature appeared on 2.6.23 on i386 only, and (if i'm right) finished on 2.6.24 |
| 08:24.54 | emdete | what is it? |
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| 08:25.39 | BDo | No clock tick at usually 100Hz that wakes up the phone for most of the time nothing else than selecting idle. |
| 08:26.13 | methril | BDo this doesn't depends of the micro architecture? |
| 08:27.05 | BDo | methril, it sure depended on it on 2.6.23, I'm not sure on 2.6.24 but it's a definite energy saver. |
| 08:27.31 | patoh | methril: it does depend on the arch |
| 08:27.38 | patoh | in .25 it works on amd64 and x86 |
| 08:27.45 | methril | yes, but what happens with the signals for the GSM modem and the other peripheals |
| 08:27.46 | patoh | no idea about other arch's |
| 08:27.53 | BDo | We're not clocked by the GSM signal and TDMA frames so we have no interest in having a regular tick. |
| 08:28.14 | methril | and the RAM? |
| 08:29.32 | BDo | Well, tickless is one thing, suspend is one other thing that could be done under some circumstances. |
| 08:29.55 | liwei | what's the name of gps's deriver? |
| 08:30.13 | BDo | If we have an idle period that we know is long enough then it's worth considering suspension |
| 08:30.41 | BDo | on a ticked kernel the max duration of a truly idle time is 1/HZ second. |
| 08:31.37 | patoh | I assume calls/messages will awake the phone from suspension |
| 08:32.10 | raster | you pray they do... |
| 08:32.11 | BDo | patoh, an incoming call will certainly raise an interrupt which will wake the phone up. |
| 08:33.47 | patoh | is there anything else at this point that raises that interrupt? |
| 08:34.10 | raster | yo momma |
| 08:34.46 | BDo | Well, hopefully most peripheral actions will be interrupt driven at some point |
| 08:34.57 | raster | power button does |
| 08:35.01 | BDo | busy-wait is a poor option on a mobile phone :-) |
| 08:37.32 | raster | gets busy... |
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| 08:45.09 | jorgenpt | Hm, basically I want to use my Neo1973 for something, so I'm thinking I'll use it as a kinda "terminal" for my servers or applications running on them. |
| 08:45.43 | jorgenpt | So my first thought is just to expose some webui, and leave it on usb-ethernet - what browser should I look at? |
| 08:46.23 | jorgenpt | I'd want something fast, with a minimal UI (perhaps none?), and perhaps javascript/ecmascript. |
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| 09:07.22 | rtm | Does anyone know if the Freerunner will ship with any applications which use the gypsy GPS multiplexing daemon? |
| 09:08.37 | patoh | the topic needs treatment at book length. As it happens, |
| 09:08.41 | patoh | oops |
| 09:08.44 | patoh | stupid touchpad |
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| 09:09.07 | XorA | rtm: no |
| 09:09.23 | rtm | XorA: OK, thanks. |
| 09:09.41 | XorA | rtm: they are shipping with a fairly minimal image |
| 09:10.30 | zedstar_ | i would be interested in something that talks to geoclue which in turn talks to gypsy |
| 09:13.05 | zedstar_ | im not sure how mature that framework is in terms of openmoko |
| 09:14.52 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4431 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (9 files in 4 dirs): |
| 09:14.52 | CIA-43 | openmoko: opkg: * Add opkg-key utility |
| 09:14.52 | CIA-43 | openmoko: * Move update-alternatives to utils directory |
| 09:14.52 | CIA-43 | openmoko: * Update opkg_verify_file function to import keys from /etc/opkg |
| 09:31.15 | w3i | can anyone point me how should I add directFB to openmoko? |
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| 09:38.07 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4432 10/developers/john_lee/toolkit/: No longer required. |
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| 09:44.17 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4433 10/developers/john_lee/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:44.17 | CIA-43 | openmoko: build-scripts: scripts I used on buildhost (s) |
| 09:44.17 | CIA-43 | openmoko: scripts: some convenient scripts |
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| 09:55.45 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03agreen * r15a4b99a1e11 10/gta02-dm2/src/tests-bluetooth.c: fix-enable-bt-before-scan.patch |
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| 10:28.21 | torpor | hello |
| 10:29.21 | torpor | gang, anyone using neo1973 RNDIS ethernet gadget with OSX Leopard? For some reason my neo is now showing up as a modem, not an ethernet device. anyone know a fix? |
| 10:29.22 | emdete | torpor: is that during u-boot? |
| 10:29.40 | emdete | torpor: the neo is a serial device on usb when in u-boot |
| 10:30.28 | torpor | yeah its after u-boot |
| 10:30.50 | torpor | i guess the problem is that leopard is not re-enumerating and after the RNDIS driver is detected, leopard still thinks its a serial device. |
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| 10:32.16 | XorA | leopards cant change their spots or usb devices :-) |
| 10:36.10 | emdete | torpor: so plug it in later |
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| 10:46.10 | jorgenpt | So what rootfs & kernel is recommended? |
| 10:46.19 | jorgenpt | Or rather, which one can you guys recommend? |
| 10:48.11 | jorgenpt | tries http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/uImage-2.6.24+git20080508-r0-om-gta01.bin & http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-om-gta01.jffs2 |
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| 10:54.01 | methril | <jorgenpt> TAke a look: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:SnapshotReview |
| 10:56.26 | jorgenpt | Thanks methril :) |
| 10:57.55 | methril | you are wellcome |
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| 11:00.17 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4434 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (configure.ac libopkg/opkg.c libopkg/opkg.h): opkg: add some error codes to libopkg |
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| 11:11.09 | jorgenpt | What scripting languages are in those rootfs images, methril? |
| 11:12.13 | methril | i don't really know, but i suposse python |
| 11:12.35 | jorgenpt | And what're the useful opkg repositories, do they have a package list online somewhere? |
| 11:13.46 | methril | you could use ipkg "files"/ repositories |
| 11:14.02 | methril | it's full compatible |
| 11:14.51 | methril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories |
| 11:14.59 | jorgenpt | Ok |
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| 11:29.39 | jorgenpt | Is there any language that has some kind of sane bindings to the GUI widgets used by openmoko? |
| 11:29.42 | jorgenpt | Python? |
| 11:30.38 | raster | c |
| 11:30.40 | raster | :) |
| 11:31.12 | jorgenpt | Scripting language. I'm looking for something that has a bit more rapid development. ;) |
| 11:31.36 | jorgenpt | opkg whines about missing .sig-files, is that normal? |
| 11:32.16 | patoh | pygtk is shipped isn't it? |
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| 12:19.24 | andreas | Hi! |
| 12:20.40 | andreas | I'm looking for a Common Lisp implementation that will work on the Freerunner. Is there anything I can try in the emulator yet while waiting for the hardware? |
| 12:21.58 | liwei | hello, who knows where i can find grs driver used in gta02? |
| 12:22.15 | liwei | hello, who knows where i can find GPS driver used in gta02? |
| 12:22.45 | emdete | liwei: what do you mean with driver? |
| 12:23.17 | liwei | GPS driver for GTA01 is gllin |
| 12:23.26 | SpeedEvil | cat |
| 12:23.31 | emdete | liwei: there is none needed |
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| 12:23.34 | SpeedEvil | turn the GPS on - echo 1>somewherre |
| 12:23.43 | SpeedEvil | then cat /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 12:23.44 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 12:23.45 | emdete | liwei: it spits out nmea dfrom serial |
| 12:23.51 | emdete | SpeedEvil: right |
| 12:24.01 | soundar | Hi all |
| 12:24.12 | emdete | liwei: can be used by gpsd oder gypsy directly |
| 12:24.54 | soundar | I am trying to build the sample application for openmoko as given in the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 12:25.31 | soundar | while executing the command "om-conf openmoko-sample", i am getting the following error : checking for DEPENDENCIES... configure: error: Package requirements (libmokoui2 gconf-2.0) were not met: |
| 12:25.43 | soundar | can any one tell me whats the work around |
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| 12:27.33 | liwei | thank for all,i install tangoGps software,but it seem to not work |
| 12:27.53 | emdete | liwei: on a gta02? |
| 12:28.01 | liwei | yes i am |
| 12:28.15 | emdete | have u installed gpsd also? |
| 12:28.32 | liwei | yes , i had opkg install gpsd |
| 12:29.26 | liwei | how to check the gps have work? |
| 12:29.46 | SpeedEvil | I put how to turn the GPS on in the wiki |
| 12:29.48 | SpeedEvil | I forget where |
| 12:29.59 | SpeedEvil | check GPS maybe |
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| 12:33.07 | liwei | but in the tangoGps's configure should config gllin |
| 12:33.19 | liwei | so , i think i maybe need gllin |
| 12:33.41 | emdete | liwei: you won't on a gta02 |
| 12:33.43 | XorA | gta02 doesnt need gllin |
| 12:35.33 | liwei | SpeedEvil could you help me find that wiki teach how to use gps in gta02? |
| 12:37.37 | XorA | liwei: echo 1 >/sys/bus/platform/drivers/neo1973-pm-gps/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron |
| 12:37.42 | XorA | liwei: cat /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 12:37.57 | XorA | liwei: ttySAC1 is gta02 gps |
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| 12:41.48 | liwei | yes , i can see some data |
| 12:42.24 | liwei | that mean the gps is working? |
| 12:42.54 | SpeedEvil | does the data look like $GPGGA.... |
| 12:42.58 | SpeedEvil | if so, yes |
| 12:43.40 | liwei | $GPTXT, $GPZDA $GPZDA |
| 12:43.57 | SpeedEvil | It outputs loads of those before it gets a posiiton |
| 12:43.59 | SpeedEvil | are you outside? |
| 12:44.19 | liwei | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.21 | SpeedEvil | An invalid position looks like $GPGGA,235946.99,,,,,00,00,5.0,,M,0.0001999,M,0.0020199,*57 |
| 12:44.41 | SpeedEvil | A valid one looks like $GPGGA,065851.00,5613.022358,N,00306.725817,W,1,05,1.0,158.0,M,0.277000,M,-0.010 |
| 12:44.41 | SpeedEvil | 0515,*7C |
| 12:45.17 | SpeedEvil | 56 degrees 13.022 minutes north |
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| 12:49.18 | XorA | liwei: we call this service S-GPS (SpeedEvil GPS) its even faster than AGPS :_) |
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| 13:28.18 | winux | i run "madplay 123.mp3" on my neo1973,but failed with "audio: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy",any one can help me ? |
| 13:29.21 | dcordes | maybe the device is busy |
| 13:29.55 | dcordes | kill X :) |
| 13:29.58 | winux | kill whole X ? oh!!! |
| 13:30.37 | Weiss | winux: lsof can probably tell you what's using it |
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| 13:31.45 | winux | yes, i try it ,but return none |
| 13:32.10 | dcordes | Weiss: what exact lsof would you pass? |
| 13:32.21 | winux | lsof /dev/dsp |
| 13:32.29 | dcordes | I was asking myself that question when I tried to find out what on my desktop is in posession of my sound device |
| 13:33.10 | Weiss | dcordes: actually i'm not 100% sure of the use of lsof (hence 'probably')... in the past i've done lsof | grep whatever for this kind of thing |
| 13:33.42 | dcordes | hm lsof /dev/dsp on my desktop is empty |
| 13:33.56 | dcordes | although I'm listening to finest radio |
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| 13:34.13 | XorA | winux: pulse audio is using the audio device on neo all the time |
| 13:34.17 | mjr | be aware that dsp is a legacy api |
| 13:34.56 | winux | so how can i play music using "madplay" at this time |
| 13:35.58 | dcordes | I bet through pulse audio |
| 13:36.19 | dcordes | http://www.pulseaudio.org/ interesting wasn't aware |
| 13:37.35 | XorA | use gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=Until\ It\ Sleeps\ \(Herman\ Melville\ Mix\).mp3 ! mad ! pulsesink |
| 13:37.53 | dcordes | sounds mad |
| 13:38.18 | dcordes | you guys should provide a small script with an extra device node or so |
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| 13:38.35 | XorA | there is the media player which has a nice gui :-) |
| 13:38.50 | dcordes | I can't live w/o mplayer *.mp3 on my handheld |
| 13:39.03 | XorA | mplayer -ao pulse |
| 13:39.08 | dcordes | ok |
| 13:39.22 | XorA | although I never enabled that option :-) |
| 13:39.43 | XorA | patches welcome |
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| 13:40.46 | dcordes | XorA: in the mplayer or pulse audio metadata? |
| 13:41.08 | XorA | dcordes: in mplayer, if mplayer even has the patches applied by defaultr |
| 13:41.13 | XorA | Ive never looked |
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| 13:42.24 | dcordes | XorA: ubuuntu has the -ao pulse |
| 13:42.40 | XorA | dcordes: so you may need to steal some patches, but its do-able |
| 13:42.44 | dcordes | MPlayer 1.0rc2-4.2.3 |
| 13:43.18 | XorA | needs a portable flac player |
| 13:43.42 | dcordes | you work for om |
| 13:44.04 | XorA | yes |
| 13:44.05 | dcordes | you can't tell me you don't posses enough pda toys |
| 13:44.20 | XorA | flac support seems to suck ass in linux |
| 13:45.23 | dcordes | oh I see |
| 13:45.33 | XorA | well flac support in stuff that makes nice pocket player anyway |
| 13:45.46 | XorA | last I tried totally destroys n810 :-) |
| 13:46.12 | dcordes | I don't own any flac audio files |
| 13:46.24 | winux | also ,i compiled mplayer by mysele for my openmoko ,it dispaly the video,but also no audio,with the messageï¼Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.0,00ï¼ |
| 13:46.32 | XorA | sort of music I listen to fucks up under mp3 |
| 13:46.35 | dcordes | all digital music I bought over the last decade are mp3s |
| 13:46.53 | XorA | winux: we told you, pulseaudio has audio device open |
| 13:47.00 | dcordes | XorA: which is? |
| 13:47.14 | XorA | dcordes: Nine Inch Nails and other industrial stuff |
| 13:47.38 | dcordes | winux: can you try "mplayer -ao pulse nine_inch_nails*.mp3" ? |
| 13:48.02 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1393 has been created by mdt(AT)emdete.de |
| 13:48.03 | cdbot2 | * * /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart doesn't work right |
| 13:48.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1393 |
| 13:48.24 | dcordes | I like rap music |
| 13:48.39 | dcordes | but also lots of other stuffs |
| 13:48.53 | winux | dcordes,this is the error message "Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound." |
| 13:49.03 | XorA | not opposed to a good bit of rap/hip hop, but sometimes its just not angry enough :-) |
| 13:49.36 | dcordes | XorA: I hear some nice electro in those cases |
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| 13:49.58 | dcordes | s/hear/listen to/ |
| 13:50.04 | XorA | OM drives us to need some speaker destruction |
| 13:51.12 | winux | dcordes, i tried "mplayer -ao pulse xx.mp3" and get the error message above |
| 13:51.43 | dcordes | XorA: oh man that breaks my heart in pieces when I hear about all you employes suffering that hard |
| 13:52.13 | dcordes | winux: doesn't it say no such*pulse* |
| 13:52.39 | winux | no |
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| 13:54.52 | torpor | scaredy you there? |
| 13:55.08 | torpor | anyone know how the new bluetooth keyboard thing is supposed to work? do i have to enter a code? |
| 13:55.49 | dcordes | XorA: I hope it will settle after om-gta02 will be out |
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| 13:56.01 | XorA | dcordes: nah, its just the way I work |
| 13:56.11 | XorA | dcordes: I get driven insane, then realise Im being stupid |
| 13:56.15 | ScaredyCat | holy crap! internet!!! |
| 13:56.17 | ScaredyCat | stabs kpn |
| 13:56.25 | torpor | hey ScaredyCat i got your image installed today |
| 13:56.30 | torpor | how do i use the BT control panel thingy? |
| 13:56.36 | dcordes | XorA: I kno that sounds like the last 14 years of school behind me |
| 13:56.38 | ScaredyCat | it's on the panel |
| 13:56.42 | ScaredyCat | (bt button) |
| 13:56.49 | torpor | but do i have to enter a code or pair the keyboard or something? |
| 13:56.52 | winux | XorA,,is there any way to install the ipk package to my microsd card ,because the nand flash is full |
| 13:57.02 | ScaredyCat | no... |
| 13:57.23 | ScaredyCat | just switch on you kb, set it in discoverable mode, and then scan |
| 13:57.29 | torpor | i guess the problem i have now is that my macbook won't stop pairing with the bt keyboard .. so how do i stop it and then tell the neo to pick up the keyboard? |
| 13:57.32 | torpor | ok |
| 13:58.08 | ScaredyCat | put the macbook in repair mode |
| 14:00.00 | liwei | i want to type "/" in gta02 terminal |
| 14:00.17 | liwei | but i found there is no char "/" |
| 14:00.25 | ScaredyCat | ** or someting |
| 14:00.29 | ScaredyCat | 3 stars |
| 14:00.30 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 14:00.49 | liwei | *** |
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| 14:01.26 | ScaredyCat | there's some magic combo for uppercase and other chars |
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| 14:02.02 | liwei | i want to type /dev/ttyS |
| 14:02.20 | liwei | but i couldn't found char '/' |
| 14:02.37 | torpor | okay scardy it says "connection with address blah:::: connected via bluetooth" .. so .. ermm .. what next? |
| 14:02.40 | torpor | terminal. |
| 14:02.43 | liwei | i try to press key 1, but no '/' |
| 14:02.56 | torpor | b ut that doesn't seem to work. |
| 14:03.03 | ScaredyCat | or any field, type |
| 14:03.12 | torpor | and my keyboard is still blinking - so is there a 'default' passphrase set for the bt stuff on your image? |
| 14:03.29 | ScaredyCat | is it your kb |
| 14:03.41 | ScaredyCat | that's waiting for a code? |
| 14:03.52 | ScaredyCat | I don;t need to do any noncing about with mine.. |
| 14:04.04 | torpor | could be |
| 14:04.07 | torpor | i suppose it is.. |
| 14:04.18 | ScaredyCat | just switch on, stick in discoverable mode and discover + connect |
| 14:04.21 | ScaredyCat | that's it |
| 14:05.17 | torpor | i have a feeling my keyboard is expecting a code ... |
| 14:06.37 | ScaredyCat | hrrm |
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| 14:07.04 | ScaredyCat | gimmie a little while... I've just got internet access after 2 days of none... |
| 14:07.12 | torpor | ah! |
| 14:07.25 | torpor | i've just got my openmoko repaired and working again and now i'm trying to catch up with what you've been doing .. ;) |
| 14:08.13 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 14:08.31 | ScaredyCat | I've just had the longest 2 days ever |
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| 14:09.04 | torpor | i think i for sure have to set a keyboard passcode |
| 14:09.09 | torpor | so is there some way to do this with the panel? |
| 14:09.58 | ScaredyCat | no. |
| 14:10.09 | ScaredyCat | do you know what it wants (the code) |
| 14:10.14 | torpor | nope |
| 14:10.23 | Gottox | torpor: try 0000 |
| 14:10.24 | ScaredyCat | prolly 4 0's then |
| 14:10.29 | torpor | about 6 months ago when i was doing this manually i had a passcode 0000 but that doesn't work then. |
| 14:11.27 | torpor | the weird thing is the neo says its connected .. |
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| 14:25.31 | spydon | two days left... |
| 14:25.38 | torpor | until? |
| 14:25.48 | spydon | massproduction starts... |
| 14:25.48 | dcordes | until one year before the big om-gta02 release |
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| 14:56.12 | torpor | anyne know where to get ajzaurususb for leopard? |
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| 15:03.42 | Nash33 | bonjour |
| 15:04.14 | Nash33 | voila j'essai d'installer un portail captif Wifidog + Serveur d'auth |
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| 15:04.36 | Nash33 | est ce que quelqu'un peut m'aider? |
| 15:04.38 | Ganneff | try again in english. |
| 15:04.53 | ScaredyCat | je susi un rock star |
| 15:04.55 | ScaredyCat | gah |
| 15:05.02 | ScaredyCat | je suis un rock star |
| 15:05.12 | ScaredyCat | je habite la |
| 15:05.18 | Nash33 | I don't speak good english |
| 15:05.32 | ScaredyCat | I don;t speak good french :) |
| 15:05.53 | ScaredyCat | you want to install captive portal |
| 15:05.54 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 15:06.36 | Nash33 | yes |
| 15:06.48 | ScaredyCat | on your neo? |
| 15:07.22 | Nash33 | firmware Kamikaze on Linksys WRT54GL |
| 15:09.05 | Nash33 | you know this? |
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| 15:21.31 | exco_ | if my openmoko hangs on touchscreen calibration on first boot (touchscreen is working! - tested using ts_calibrate through ssh) what might be the problem? |
| 15:22.20 | SpeedEvil | has it ever worked? |
| 15:22.52 | exco | not this new built one, SpeedEvil |
| 15:23.59 | SpeedEvil | I mean - has your phone ever worked. It is a neo1973? |
| 15:24.15 | SpeedEvil | If so - have you ever upgrade uboot? |
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| 15:24.44 | exco | my phone is working with an image I found (from Dec 07) and I'm trying to build a new one - the phone is a HTC Magician |
| 15:25.13 | exco | the new built kernel and modules work with the older image, so that doesn't seem to be the problem |
| 15:25.35 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - I've no real idea. I assume you can't ssh in? |
| 15:25.46 | exco | yes |
| 15:27.04 | exco | btw why are there two different touchscreen calibrations? (one has a white background and blue cross to press, the other one (ts_calibrate) ) |
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| 15:39.44 | Qwell | so, when I'm in the terminal app, is there some magic way of tabbing or using "special" chars, like /? |
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| 15:50.25 | xkr47 | ctrl-pgup/pgdn ? :) |
| 15:50.34 | xkr47 | or maybe alt- |
| 15:50.37 | xkr47 | or ctrl-tab |
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| 15:53.31 | data_jepp | any updates on freerunner? |
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| 15:57.46 | Blastur | it will release at some time. |
| 15:57.52 | daMaestro | lol |
| 16:00.04 | dcordes | it's getting hard to crack jokes about the release dates |
| 16:00.16 | Qwell | xkr47: and where are these keys? :p |
| 16:00.31 | Qwell | dcordes: it'll be released shortly after Duke Nuken Forever? |
| 16:00.35 | xkr47 | pop-up keyboard? :) |
| 16:00.44 | Qwell | freerunner has a popup keyboard? :p |
| 16:00.53 | xkr47 | osd |
| 16:01.02 | dcordes | Qwell: no immedeately after the new dr. dre album release |
| 16:01.09 | Qwell | yeah, that's what I'm asking - how do I change the keyboard that comes up? |
| 16:01.31 | dcordes | there is matchbox-keyboard |
| 16:02.33 | Blastur | has the price for the freerunner been finalized yet? |
| 16:02.50 | data_jepp | 399? |
| 16:04.02 | Blastur | you don't sound too sure |
| 16:04.18 | Blastur | i'd rather hear it from someone who isn't guessing |
| 16:06.58 | data_jepp | i read it in there site... |
| 16:09.24 | Qwell | $399 is the price Steve from OpenMoko has been throwing around. It's all-but-official, I believe |
| 16:12.03 | Blastur | silly, i thought all those price optimization would actually lower the price? :) wasn't the inital listing somewhere closer to $350? back in 2007.. |
| 16:12.09 | Blastur | for gta02/freerunner |
| 16:12.16 | Blastur | (without dev-board) |
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| 16:13.16 | Qwell | imo, the pointer thingie in the box is maybe a bit overkill |
| 16:13.24 | Qwell | and the whole multiple adapters thing |
| 16:14.20 | mmontour | Blastur: for a while the expected price was $450, $600 for an advanced kit. I never saw a $350 estimate |
| 16:15.57 | SpeedEvil | Qwell: pointer is probably $1.50 in quantity |
| 16:16.12 | Qwell | still |
| 16:16.21 | SpeedEvil | I don't think it's multiple adaptors as I understnad it. |
| 16:16.31 | SpeedEvil | It's one adaptor with the appropriate mains plug on it. |
| 16:17.55 | Qwell | it's one usb cable, and there are 2-3 (I didn't actually look hard) "adapters" that slide onto it for different regions |
| 16:18.06 | Qwell | it's a cool design, but... |
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| 16:21.37 | SpeedEvil | The adaptors are simply bits of plastic and metal. |
| 16:21.45 | SpeedEvil | That plug into one AC adaptor |
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| 16:21.49 | Qwell | so is the freerunner |
| 16:22.05 | SpeedEvil | I mean - they have no components in, and are very cheap in volume. |
| 16:24.15 | exco | if /dev/input/event1 (touchscreen) gives wrong output - what might be the cause? |
| 16:24.29 | SpeedEvil | miscalibration |
| 16:24.36 | Qwell | SpeedEvil: cheap adds up, is all I'm saying |
| 16:24.41 | SpeedEvil | Or incorrect kernel driver |
| 16:24.56 | SpeedEvil | Qwell: I totally agree. But an AC adaptor is not an insane thing to put in the box. |
| 16:24.58 | Qwell | (and obviously, this isn't the place for people (me) to be bringing up comments like this) |
| 16:25.20 | Qwell | SpeedEvil: 4 of them though. and no, it's not insane, maybe just...not entirely necessary |
| 16:25.29 | SpeedEvil | It's not 4 adaptors |
| 16:25.40 | Qwell | okay, it's one "adapter", but 4 parts to it |
| 16:25.44 | SpeedEvil | It's one adaptor, and 3 bits of plastic/metal that plug into them. |
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| 16:26.21 | SpeedEvil | I would be surprised if the cost greatly exceeded $5. |
| 16:26.49 | Qwell | $5 per box, plus shipping weight (that pointer is *heavy*) |
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| 16:27.29 | exco | SpeedEvil: it shouldn't give any output if the screen doesn't get touched? |
| 16:28.52 | data_jepp | I will probably buy 10 phones if i get enough people, what is shipping then? And were will they ship from? |
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| 16:30.32 | mwester | thinks that this discussion of pointers, adaptors, and shipping costs may be moot, as it presupposes that there's anything to ship in the first place! ;) :D |
| 16:31.21 | Qwell | the freerunner exists! I've seen it! :) |
| 16:31.35 | balrog-kun | it's safe to assume that the shipping will work and won't be extremely expensive |
| 16:31.38 | balrog-kun | it worked last time |
| 16:32.06 | mwester | Qwell: I've seen photos of alien spaceships, too!! |
| 16:32.09 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm...shipping here was as expensive as a mid-end phone |
| 16:32.14 | mmontour | It was expensive last time (specifically the UPS brokerage fees) |
| 16:32.15 | Qwell | photos hell. |
| 16:32.27 | zedstar_ | have u touched an alien spaceship tho! |
| 16:32.40 | balrog-kun | oh |
| 16:32.43 | balrog-kun | Sup3rkiddo: sorry to hear that |
| 16:33.30 | mwester | I'm just saying that perhaps we should let OM have a chance to get closer to actual product sales (they're not even accepting orders yet) before we get overly concerned about shipping and packaging details. |
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| 16:33.57 | Qwell | mwester: sure, can't argue with that |
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| 16:35.34 | zedstar_ | alas then it will be "when is gta04 coming out" ;) |
| 16:35.51 | SpeedEvil | Friday. |
| 16:36.31 | Blastur | thats original SpeedEvil, just spewing random weeknames ! .. |
| 16:36.44 | data_jepp | But the price will be 369$ if you buy more then ten phones? |
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| 16:41.02 | exco | is /dev/input/event1 supposed to give output if you don't touch the screen? |
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| 17:31.16 | Lintus | "Basic PDA included. Software can be created by normal users." So, software might not be ready for basic users, but it can be easily created |
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| 17:41.11 | idarwin | Qwell: "Cheap adds up". Other companies e.g., RIM/Blackberry do the same. It is in fact cheaper for them to throw in the extra AC-adapter slip-ons than to stock three or four different adapaters - that would mean every shipment you have to stop and think "Is this customer getting the correct adapter?" As a BONUS, you can charge your FreeRunner when you travel to different parts of the world (assuming the cost of fuel allows this when FreeRunner ships, of |
| 17:42.21 | abraxa_ | Lintus: Where did that quote come from? |
| 17:43.03 | Lintus | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison |
| 17:43.09 | Lintus | Scroll down for 'Software' |
| 17:44.34 | abraxa_ | Thanks |
| 17:45.49 | Lintus | Your welcome. |
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| 18:44.08 | mwester | "Software can be created by normal users" ! Wow. All the software developers I know can hardly be considered "normal" ;) :D :D |
| 18:45.26 | woglinde | *g* |
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| 18:49.44 | mmontour | ~fish monotone.openmoko.org |
| 18:49.44 | apt | ACTION slaps monotone.openmoko.org around with a large trout |
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| 19:17.55 | tushyd | so if we have mass production by the 16th, when are we expecting sales to begin? |
| 19:20.37 | balrog-kun | sales on e-bay probably around 14th :p |
| 19:21.27 | balrog-kun | they said it's not sure that these mass-produced since 16th units will be sold at all |
| 19:22.03 | balrog-kun | pending the result of testing |
| 19:23.24 | CVirus | my friend working at nokia thinks that OM is a competitor ... LOL |
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| 19:24.09 | tushyd | balrog-kun: so it's just a test run? |
| 19:25.12 | balrog-kun | yeah, but if it works out they will start selling directly |
| 19:25.13 | balrog-kun | afaiu |
| 19:26.47 | tushyd | ah, i see. |
| 19:26.53 | tushyd | well i'm crossing my fingers |
| 19:32.00 | CVirus | it will work out ffs |
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| 19:36.13 | tushyd | i think i'm going to sell my p1i so I can pay for the freerunner. Anyone care to buy it? :) |
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| 19:40.10 | [Darktears] | cyrilRomain: ooohhh an inscapers |
| 19:40.54 | cyrilRomain | [Darktears]: hehe |
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| 20:15.09 | spydon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxlrLuQ3M6U - LF Interview with Sean Moss-Pultz of OpenMoko |
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| 20:21.30 | Lintus | Hmm, damn he is talking fast |
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| 20:21.33 | Lintus | What's wrong with that video :D |
| 20:23.34 | abraxa__ | Yeah, it's broken : |
| 20:23.35 | abraxa__ | :( |
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| 20:50.01 | balrog-kun | did someone figure out the switches to give to mplayer to view it at the right speed? |
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| 21:02.37 | data_jepp | Sms, phonebook and dailing will work perfect without tweaking right? Im guessing yes here, since they said it would ship with basic phonefunctions |
| 21:02.56 | mjr | you don't want it yet |
| 21:04.00 | data_jepp | They must have learnt something from Neo? Im ffs, it shouldnt be to much to expect! |
| 21:05.51 | data_jepp | Openmoko cant be at like a alpha version, and the default image will have to work. Im trying to round up people for a group sale, they keep asking me questions. |
| 21:06.03 | mjr | you don't want it yet |
| 21:06.23 | Lintus | mjr: Why not |
| 21:06.27 | kdean06 | The software may change radically... What is out right now is very much "alpha". |
| 21:07.05 | Lintus | Software: Basic PDA included. Software can be created by normal users. |
| 21:07.07 | mjr | Lintus, because wanting something to be "perfect" on OM is currently a pretty unrealistic demand |
| 21:07.16 | kdean06 | data_jepp, If you're looking for a bug free replacement for a basic phone, I'd suggest buying a basic phone on eBay. Stable basic functionality is expected in September of 2008. |
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| 21:07.35 | zash | mjr: will anything ever be perfect? |
| 21:07.53 | Lintus | I would ask that, too |
| 21:07.55 | mjr | yes, but not many things |
| 21:08.13 | kdean06 | If you're interested in ADDING to that functionality, hop in. :) I use my Neo as a basic phone and podcast player and I'm not too upset though I get nervous thinking about stability if I got in a car accident and needed to call an ambulance. :P |
| 21:08.29 | mjr | aside from nitpicking about perfection, would you recommend current OM to people who use that word in their expectations? |
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| 21:35.54 | mmontour | My 'bitbake opkg' is failing: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `opkg-key.o', needed by `opkg-key'. Stop. |
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| 22:03.23 | matt444 | does Openmoko work with edge? |
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| 22:03.32 | SpeedEvil | Yes - however. |
| 22:03.37 | SpeedEvil | Openmoko is the OS. |
| 22:03.41 | zeno_ | how many USB slots does freerunner have? |
| 22:03.50 | SpeedEvil | The hardware - freerunner - will not have EDGE. 1 |
| 22:03.59 | matt444 | ohh |
| 22:04.01 | matt444 | wow |
| 22:04.07 | matt444 | that's a bummer |
| 22:04.18 | SpeedEvil | Zenton: 1 |
| 22:04.28 | zeno_ | ah ok thx |
| 22:05.12 | zeno_ | ill probly get a hardware mini-keyboard and/or a flaash HD |
| 22:05.33 | SpeedEvil | 8G microSDs are almost/are available |
| 22:05.41 | SpeedEvil | 4G are widely available. |
| 22:06.01 | matt444 | has to be sdhc though |
| 22:06.47 | SpeedEvil | I got a 4G microSD for only 13 quid. |
| 22:07.16 | woglinde | haha I got 512mb sd mini for 3 euros |
| 22:07.36 | SpeedEvil | The prices are really dropping. |
| 22:07.43 | matt444 | i got a 6gb for 90 dollars |
| 22:08.00 | kdean06 | I got two 1 GB cards for free since Best Buy shipped me the wrong item and didn't wanna pay to have them shipped back to me. |
| 22:08.04 | kdean06 | er... them. |
| 22:08.49 | zeno_ | SpeedEvil: ah ok ill probably grab a couple 8gb microSDHCs then, ill be using as an mp3 player too |
| 22:10.35 | CVirus | LOL |
| 22:11.06 | SpeedEvil | The crappy SIM/SDHC hyper-fiddly socket is the same on GTA02? |
| 22:13.21 | CVirus | I can't wait any longer |
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| 22:13.25 | CVirus | come onnn |
| 22:13.48 | CVirus | my stupid old nokia 6600 now vibrates when i shake it |
| 22:13.49 | CVirus | hehe |
| 22:14.47 | CVirus | is gone to bed |
| 22:16.31 | SpeedEvil | passes CVirus the hot-glue. |
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| 23:46.46 | SpeedEvil | For any of you using the EEEPC and SSH - the stock OS has the openssh oops as it's debian derived. |
| 23:47.02 | dwmw2_gone | epic debian fail |
| 23:47.40 | ewon | lawl |
| 23:47.52 | ewon | man I had to rekey so many servers ;_; |
| 23:48.05 | abraxa__ | I wonder who introduced it to their build |
| 23:48.16 | abraxa__ | The guy must be so ashamed now, lol |
| 23:48.24 | ewon | pretty epically retarded mistake |
| 23:48.34 | ewon | this is why vendors shouldn't patch |
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| 23:49.22 | SpeedEvil | http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/cache/papers/cs/30688/http:zSzzSzwww.dfki.uni-kl.dezSz~millerzSzpublicationszSzmiller02.pdf/miller99why.pdf :) |
| 23:49.26 | SpeedEvil | (off-topic) |
| 23:49.44 | abraxa__ | What is that about, SpeedEvil? |
| 23:49.50 | mmontour | is glad that his Neo is using strong SSH keys when allowing its password-less root login :) |
| 23:50.13 | SpeedEvil | Rubbish - proof of why the author will never have a girlfriend. |
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| 23:51.16 | abraxa__ | oh hehe |
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