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| 00:16.50 | asn | Greetings. My current old Nokia phone broke up, and it's time for me to get a new one (with my company's money of course). Considering that Freeruner is not ready yet, what would you propose? I wouldn't want a hobby mobile phone (like the Neo), tho, I'd like a usable feature-rich one. Any propositions? |
| 00:17.44 | anrp | probably not the best place to ask |
| 00:17.50 | anrp | what defines features for you? |
| 00:18.22 | SpeedEvil | Diamond encrusted, solid silver case? |
| 00:18.38 | asn | anrp: yeah, I know that it's not the best place to ask, but the channel is not really active now so I thought I'd go ahead and ask. |
| 00:18.52 | asn | anrp: the definition of features is a good question, actually |
| 00:19.50 | asn | I think that I got caught up in my own trap. I'd say to be hacking-friendly, but that would go in the hobby mobile-phone category |
| 00:20.39 | SpeedEvil | hacked iphone? |
| 00:21.05 | asn | I am a bit hesitant to Apple products |
| 00:21.25 | asn | SpeedEvil: what's your opinion on them? |
| 00:21.47 | anrp | if you want to develop on a production phone, you basically have to get an apple or a windows mobile |
| 00:21.50 | anrp | or you have to use java |
| 00:22.04 | SpeedEvil | The hardware is just fine. |
| 00:22.21 | anrp | you can in theory develop for symbian, but i heard that getting a dev key was getting harder |
| 00:22.22 | SpeedEvil | What they do with software updates is the problematic question. |
| 00:24.14 | asn | SpeedEvil: What's the problematic about it? |
| 00:25.19 | anrp | if you've jailbroken it, it may or may not continue to function after an update |
| 00:26.08 | asn | I see |
| 00:26.55 | asn | And what about Symbian vs Apple OS that iPhone uses? |
| 00:26.55 | SpeedEvil | And it's not certain that if you do not permit updates, all the functionality will remain. |
| 00:29.55 | asn | Aw well, I guess I'll read more about this on teh internets. Thank you for your help. |
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| 01:35.51 | zedstar_ | u can install a toolchain on linux to hack about on the iphone....depends on what u want....it was ?169 in the UK so not a big cost for good hardware |
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| 01:44.32 | *** topic/#openmoko by mmontour -> Welcome to the Openmoko support and discussion channel! The Freerunner phone (with wifi) should start mass production before May 16. | Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 01:45.13 | mmontour | Topic updated based on steve's latest email to the community list |
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| 04:42.04 | holymoly | man oh man love the access to cad files |
| 04:42.07 | holymoly | that really sweet |
| 04:42.12 | holymoly | that will allow us to make our own cases |
| 04:42.18 | holymoly | you guys so rock |
| 04:43.56 | holymoly | god this is cool beyond words |
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| 05:37.07 | fenfir | would this be enough to impliment multi touch or is there a hardware limitation also? |
| 05:37.09 | fenfir | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPX |
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| 05:39.51 | holymoly | right now its only for mice and keyboards |
| 05:40.11 | holymoly | i presume any regular lcd will do, its a matter of adding that feature to the driver i think |
| 05:40.22 | holymoly | so one more steop |
| 05:40.22 | holymoly | step |
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| 08:08.55 | zeno__ | the freerunner has a sd card slot right? |
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| 08:10.01 | mjr | microsd |
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| 08:16.07 | josch | microsdhc |
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| 08:37.19 | Blastur | anyone know if mass production has started as planned on may 9th? |
| 08:37.40 | Blastur | and if so, when can we expect to have the units at distribution central? |
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| 08:39.03 | _-Damien-_ | hi there.. has anyone experience with building u-boot with the openmoko patchset? |
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| 09:04.57 | faern | Blastur: look at topic. before may 16 |
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| 09:36.43 | ScaredyCat | hazelnut |
| 09:37.05 | josch | strawberry |
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| 10:41.42 | zeno__ | i have another device that takes microSD, is that the same as SDHC? |
| 10:45.43 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03andy * rc8a0f8bf0c49 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): add-generate-test-rootfs.patch |
| 10:46.29 | abraxa_ | zeno__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#SDHC |
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| 11:37.41 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03andy * r99ce11cbed11 10/gta02-dm2/src/tests-keys.c: fix-key-test.patch |
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| 11:59.12 | abraxa_ | Gotta love pastebins... |
| 11:59.14 | abraxa_ | http://pastebin.ca/1014674 |
| 11:59.51 | spydon | lol :P |
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| 12:00.20 | abraxa_ | Server passwords in plain text - can't get any better than that. |
| 12:00.52 | spydon | yeah I saw that ^^ |
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| 12:39.03 | ScaredyCat | wtf |
| 12:39.12 | woglinde | ??? |
| 12:39.23 | ScaredyCat | ok, so why all of a sudden is my public key failing on projects |
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| 13:06.54 | ScaredyCat | ~blame abraxa_ |
| 13:06.55 | apt | ACTION blames abraxa_ (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
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| 13:14.10 | ScaredyCat | stabs gforge |
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| 13:33.09 | abraxa_ | bites ScaredyCat |
| 13:33.26 | ScaredyCat | gives abraxa_ rabies |
| 13:33.39 | XorA|gone | poors baby oil on ScaredyCat and abraxa_ |
| 13:33.49 | ScaredyCat | errm |
| 13:33.58 | ScaredyCat | enough of your fetishes |
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| 13:34.35 | ScaredyCat | so, any ideas how to fix projects.openmoko.org you two? |
| 13:34.43 | XorA|gone | rm -rf / |
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| 13:35.07 | ScaredyCat | well at this point, I probably would, if I could actually fecking log in |
| 13:35.30 | XorA|gone | kick the sysadmin then |
| 13:35.43 | ScaredyCat | who is the sysadmin for it |
| 13:35.56 | ScaredyCat | puts on heavy boots |
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| 13:39.04 | ScaredyCat | roh: wakey wakey |
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| 14:26.41 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r0a296698b9c6 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): python-ophoned: add first mediator class that handles transferring AT responses to Dbus responses |
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| 14:37.45 | mickeyl | Robot101: ping? |
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| 14:41.12 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl: do you have access to the projects box ? |
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| 14:42.27 | mickeyl | no, roh or Gismo_C are the admins |
| 14:43.43 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 14:45.04 | mickeyl | anyone familiar with dbus-python here? |
| 14:45.56 | ScaredyCat | errm, you? |
| 14:46.03 | mickeyl | indeed |
| 14:46.13 | mickeyl | but i'm stuck with a problem :) |
| 14:46.39 | ScaredyCat | you probably want torpor or someone who likes python ;) |
| 14:48.52 | mickeyl | or one of the robs |
| 14:49.07 | mickeyl | who have actually contributed to the dbus py bindings |
| 14:49.19 | mickeyl | or i could dive into the source ... |
| 14:49.21 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 14:49.46 | abraxa_ | ...or go sunbathing ;) |
| 14:50.01 | mickeyl | that's actually a good idea |
| 14:50.05 | mickeyl | i'm freezing in the office here |
| 14:50.06 | spyre | mickeyl: gsmd2 tests use dbus-python, you can check it for some reference |
| 14:50.17 | ScaredyCat | wtf. it's boiling here |
| 14:50.21 | mickeyl | right, let me check |
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| 14:50.45 | mickeyl | the problem i'M having is with the errors |
| 14:50.45 | spyre | mickeyl: but I think you're problem is a bit more complicated than what is done (by someone other than me) in gsmd2's tests |
| 14:50.53 | mickeyl | yeah, I'm afraid so |
| 14:51.06 | mickeyl | usual dbus errors look like that: |
| 14:51.16 | mickeyl | dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.143 was not provided by any .service files |
| 14:51.21 | mickeyl | which is ok |
| 14:51.29 | mickeyl | my python dbus exception though looks like: |
| 14:51.37 | mickeyl | dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.gsm.mediator.ModemError: ModemError: modem timeout: 5000ms |
| 14:52.00 | spyre | mickeyl: looks like an error you've defined yourself? |
| 14:52.07 | mickeyl | yes |
| 14:52.14 | mickeyl | i don't see where i can change the dbus string for it though |
| 14:52.32 | mickeyl | it should be something like org.freesmartphone.GSM.Error.ModemTimeout |
| 14:53.14 | mickeyl | guess i should really look into the source |
| 14:53.16 | spyre | mickeyl: sounds more like you've got the wrong path/interface when you registered to dbus |
| 14:53.18 | mickeyl | after a sunbath though |
| 14:53.30 | mickeyl | no, path/interface is all working very well |
| 14:53.52 | mickeyl | somewhere it uses org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.gsm.$MODULENAME.$CLASSNAME |
| 14:53.56 | mickeyl | which is bogus |
| 14:54.06 | mickeyl | *shrug* |
| 14:54.07 | mickeyl | l8er, thankns |
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| 15:01.21 | woglinde | hi wolfgang |
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| 15:14.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | waves |
| 15:14.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | i just put myself down on GroupSales :) |
| 15:19.43 | abraxa_ | Let's hope you find others, too |
| 15:20.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | need 2 more in adelaide for the 10 :/ |
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| 15:24.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | i was wondering if the orders of 10 were 10 exactly or 10+? |
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| 15:25.15 | toer | exactly 10 |
| 15:25.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm |
| 15:26.28 | rtm | There are a lot of groups on the group sales page with n > 10 and (n % 10) != 0 |
| 15:29.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | also (this might be a slightly to dev-oriented question) - would it be posable to conect a freerunner to a radio reciever (eg a dual band handheld radio receiver) |
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| 15:32.46 | mjr | of course depending on what kind of connectivity options there are for the receiver... |
| 15:33.24 | mjr | usb, easy. Other stuff, more bothersome... |
| 15:33.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | mjr, hi there. |
| 15:33.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | guess i'll have to take that into account when purchasing |
| 15:34.11 | mjr | or how do you mean "connect"... |
| 15:34.37 | mjr | hooking to some gpio pins might be semifeasible for some purposes... |
| 15:34.45 | mjr | but dunno about that really |
| 15:35.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | i recently got a HAM (amature radio) licence. although i'm not allowed to do packet radio (yet) i'm still iterested in the feasability of connecting the devices (to share data) |
| 15:36.30 | rtm | It's nice to hear people are still doing HAM radio. |
| 15:36.46 | SpeedEvil | usb, or serial is common |
| 15:36.55 | mjr | Well then. Of course you can probably hook up the mic/headphone jack to your radio |
| 15:37.08 | mjr | dunno about impedances, but doable... |
| 15:37.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | might be interesting project |
| 15:37.22 | mjr | then there's the matter of PTT |
| 15:37.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | is going to be torn between holding off on the ham stuff until the freeruner arrives, or gettign gear asap |
| 15:37.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | rtm, i'm looking forward to getting on air |
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| 15:39.07 | mjr | off the top of my head, I don't know how best pull the ptt ... |
| 15:39.28 | mjr | SpeedEvil, how bout you? :] |
| 15:39.41 | SpeedEvil | Tehre are USB or serial controllable radios. |
| 15:39.50 | mjr | also, I pretty much presupposed the existence of packet radio (de)modulator software |
| 15:40.52 | mjr | SpeedEvil, at least I thought we're talking packet radio through hooking up the audio lines from the neo to a radio |
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| 15:41.38 | mjr | but you'd have to be able to pull the PTT somehow on the ham radio |
| 15:41.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm only (currently) an F call, so i cant do packet, thats the next level up (standard). i'll get there, but i'm looking ~12 months befroe i worry about that |
| 15:42.24 | mjr | 'kay |
| 15:44.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | guess what it really means is i should buy gear that supports usb/serial, and when i feel up to it i can start using the hardware i have. |
| 15:44.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | goes to check price of handhelds with usb |
| 15:44.46 | SpeedEvil | Kamping_Kaiser: there are many USB-GPIO chips that are out there. |
| 15:45.04 | SpeedEvil | Kamping_Kaiser: that would be a _much_ saner solution than soldering to the insides of the freerunner. |
| 15:45.17 | mjr | yeah sounds the most straightforward solution... |
| 15:45.19 | SpeedEvil | Kamping_Kaiser: and you could probably do it with a few reed relays or something. |
| 15:45.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | SpeedEvil, that sounds pretty good |
| 15:46.08 | SpeedEvil | From the looking I've done - going I2C or SPI only makes sense if you're inside the case. |
| 15:46.33 | abraxa_ | Kamping_Kaiser: Do you merely want to control the radio from the Freerunner or do you want to use it as a headset also? |
| 15:46.35 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4424 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-sample2/data/openmoko-sample.desktop: Delete deprecated key to pass QA staging |
| 15:46.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'll admit to not having done any reading about what happens inside the mokos to date |
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| 15:47.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | abraxa_, bit of both. what i had in my mind was more the controlling bit, but i'm not "against" using the freerunner as a headset |
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| 16:32.10 | summatusmentis | well, lame |
| 16:32.20 | summatusmentis | there's no good gsm service where I live |
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| 16:37.17 | mwester | well, you live up in the tundra... |
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| 16:46.44 | summatusmentis | mwester: yeah, almost :-/ |
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| 17:49.33 | Robot101 | mickey|sun: pong |
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| 17:53.19 | abraxa_ | Robot101: Can you see what question mickey had? |
| 17:53.49 | abraxa_ | If not I'd like to pastebin it so you can check it out - would hate for you two to miss each other ;) |
| 17:54.15 | Robot101 | ah, exceptions |
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| 18:09.27 | Robot101 | mickey|sun: just set _dbus_error_name in your class |
| 18:10.33 | Robot101 | class FubarException(Exception): |
| 18:10.41 | Robot101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.57 | Robot101 | then when you throw it or return it from a dbus method with the async error callback, it'll take that name |
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| 18:55.34 | ScaredyCat | mickey|sun should be well cooked by now |
| 18:57.22 | woglinde | hehe |
| 18:57.25 | woglinde | sun goes down |
| 18:57.29 | woglinde | now |
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| 19:34.34 | juri_ | so, whats with my openmoko sometimes seeing my sim card on boot, and sometimes not? any fix for this? |
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| 19:35.32 | juri_ | i heard it ring the other day. supprised me. |
| 19:36.18 | doc|home | your phone rang? astonishing! |
| 19:36.23 | doc|home | hides |
| 19:37.18 | juri_ | for the first few days, it was stuck on "vibrate only". :P |
| 19:37.22 | summatusmentis | lol |
| 19:37.23 | doc|home | :) |
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| 19:40.14 | marginoferror | What does the ring sound like by default? |
| 19:42.19 | Blastur | a thousand horny virgins screaming for love |
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| 19:43.58 | daMaestro | lol |
| 19:45.04 | marginoferror | So, what, it just says A/S/L? |
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| 22:27.02 | Trevinyo | è assente: Pero ora assente. |
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