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| 00:17.37 | mjr | upgrades again to see what's new and broken |
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| 03:36.20 | pjz | dnh: they didn't say starting production today, they said starting production sometime between may9 to 16th |
| 03:50.04 | doc|home | pats pjz on the head |
| 03:50.10 | doc|home | it's ok, it'll be sooner than you think :) |
| 03:50.21 | doc|home | you've waited this long, another 2-3 weeks won't hurt :) |
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| 04:30.23 | Doobe08 | hello |
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| 06:17.35 | Psi | hehe, from mailing list.. "free-runner is currently available for $500 in India" |
| 06:17.49 | Psi | i wonder what this guy is smoking |
| 06:17.55 | CVirus | LOL |
| 06:19.15 | Psi | he's going on about why $500 is too expensive |
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| 06:22.13 | mox69 | cany anyone point me in the right direction for finding some current info for Openmoko on the Treo 650? |
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| 07:43.19 | wirrwarr | heya~ |
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| 10:05.39 | BBishop | so .. I could use 3 AAA NiMh rechargeable batteries ( 2700 mAh ) ? |
| 10:06.46 | josch | whut? |
| 10:06.49 | josch | BBishop, xplain |
| 10:07.26 | BBishop | well, the rechargeable battery in the freerunner is a 1.2 mAh battery, right ? |
| 10:07.37 | josch | ah... |
| 10:07.39 | josch | well |
| 10:07.44 | BBishop | reading the wiki said somethinng about being able to run ok off 3 AAA batteries .. |
| 10:07.57 | BBishop | recharging them isn't a problem ( I have an external charger for them ) |
| 10:08.01 | josch | it's better if power the freerunner via usb |
| 10:08.25 | BBishop | my rechargeable batteries are 2700 mAh so I would get a longer life .. right ? |
| 10:08.35 | josch | well it's theoretically possible but not preferred |
| 10:08.46 | josch | it's really better to power the neo via usb |
| 10:08.52 | josch | there you can use your batteries |
| 10:09.02 | dwmw2_gone | you have 2700mAh AAA batteries? |
| 10:09.07 | dwmw2_gone | that sounds like AA to me |
| 10:09.28 | BBishop | woups , I meant AA |
| 10:09.33 | BBishop | sorry for the confusion |
| 10:09.58 | dwmw2_gone | If you can find 2700mAh AAA, I want some :) |
| 10:10.10 | BBishop | I doubt we'll find any, any time soon. |
| 10:10.30 | BBishop | my mp3 player would surely need some ! |
| 10:11.57 | BBishop | josch, so, could I use my AA batteries and recharge them via freerunner's usb connection ? |
| 10:12.10 | josch | no i meant not that |
| 10:12.22 | josch | leave the freerunner battery where it is |
| 10:12.31 | josch | but supply additional power via usb |
| 10:12.44 | josch | there are usb charger at the market that do just that |
| 10:12.51 | BBishop | what about when I'm not around the computer ? |
| 10:13.05 | BBishop | I don't want to keep my mobile phone connected to a wire, even if I'm at home .. |
| 10:13.11 | josch | -.- |
| 10:13.19 | josch | i meant you use your batteries to power usb |
| 10:13.20 | BBishop | how much does the batter keep up now ? |
| 10:13.33 | BBishop | oooowwww, lol. |
| 10:13.43 | BBishop | nice idea. |
| 10:13.46 | josch | how do you want to fit three AA batteries into the freerunner?? |
| 10:13.56 | josch | so you have to deal with something outside |
| 10:13.58 | dnh | ducktape! |
| 10:14.03 | BBishop | well, modding the back of it would be something :) |
| 10:14.11 | josch | so just plug in a usb cable that is powered by batteries |
| 10:14.19 | josch | there are also ready to use modules for that |
| 10:14.28 | josch | a lot of devices are charged via usb |
| 10:14.28 | BBishop | josch, can you point me to one please ? :) |
| 10:15.09 | josch | http://www.portablepowersupplies.co.uk/usbliionbatterypack.htm |
| 10:15.23 | josch | it is charged via usb or wallcharger |
| 10:15.27 | josch | and charges usb it self |
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| 10:16.30 | BBishop | interesting. |
| 10:16.36 | dnh | does anyone know how to open the openmoko CAD files?? |
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| 10:24.47 | spydon_ | does the freerunner have a 3.5mm jack? |
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| 10:27.26 | dnh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.26 | dnh | There's a four-ring 2.5mm stereo jack which provides connectivity to old-fashioned wired headsets. |
| 10:27.26 | dnh | The headsets used by Motorola smartphones (A780,A1200, ...) and the V-360 have a compatible configuration. |
| 10:27.26 | dnh | ring |
| 10:27.26 | dnh | 1(base): GND |
| 10:27.30 | dnh | 2: right out |
| 10:27.32 | dnh | 3: left out |
| 10:27.34 | dnh | 4(tip): mic + HOLD-button(press:short to GND) |
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| 10:29.44 | dnh | dit that answer it spydon? |
| 10:30.07 | Spydon | yeah |
| 10:30.08 | Spydon | thx |
| 10:30.42 | dnh | no wurries mate |
| 10:31.17 | Spydon | why 2.5 instead of 3.5? :P |
| 10:31.40 | Spydon | or is 2.5 a standard in other countries maybe... ? |
| 10:31.57 | dnh | its smaler, and a standartd on monterola headsets |
| 10:32.07 | Spydon | okay |
| 10:32.33 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03agreen * r70cbb6b6f076 10/gta02-dm2/src/ (dm2.c tests-sn.c): fix-omg-cignal.patch |
| 10:32.35 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03agreen * r4c572d9c5133 10/gta02-dm2/data/test_script: fix-wrong-hdq-patch-update-test_script.patch |
| 10:32.36 | Spydon | but is the sound as good as in 3.5? |
| 10:32.48 | dnh | but i think it has a converter that converts to 2 3,5 jacks |
| 10:32.58 | dnh | yes the sound is just as good |
| 10:33.07 | Spydon | nice :) |
| 10:33.38 | Spydon | thx, brb |
| 10:34.02 | dnh | no wurries mate |
| 10:39.11 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * r9610d847bf1e 10/ (16 files in 4 dirs): Start oeventd by reusing ousaged |
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| 11:36.11 | SpeedEvil | off-topic - GSoC - is there a list of projects accepted for each project, I can't find it. |
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| 11:37.24 | SpeedEvil | ah - right - got it. |
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| 12:40.23 | milos_ | what are the current main issues with freerunner(gsmd,battery,suspend/resume)? |
| 12:40.37 | SpeedEvil | Many are unknown outside of the core team. |
| 12:40.46 | SpeedEvil | As freerunner is not available. |
| 12:42.59 | milos_ | does anybody have prediction when will freerunner be ready for mainstream? I know this is ungrateful to ask. |
| 12:43.14 | josch | torpor, are you the same torpor as on EFNet? |
| 12:43.24 | mjr | mostly it's unrealistic to ask |
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| 12:50.33 | SpeedEvil | milo__: it was available a long time ago |
| 12:50.43 | SpeedEvil | milos_: in a galaxy, far, far away |
| 12:51.22 | rwhitby | milos_: 2009 for some values of "mainstream" 2010 for others. |
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| 12:51.43 | rwhitby | (a prediction, I don't work for openmoko, nor am I part of the core team) |
| 12:52.22 | milos_ | SpeedEvil, that's ok :) |
| 12:52.57 | SpeedEvil | 2011 for others |
| 12:53.03 | SpeedEvil | if all goes really well. |
| 12:53.16 | SpeedEvil | As in 'you can buy it in some phone shops in some countries' |
| 12:53.27 | ccfly | pesimists all if you ! ;) |
| 12:53.38 | ccfly | of |
| 12:53.41 | ccfly | damn typos |
| 12:54.46 | SpeedEvil | It's going to be a long time before it passes the carrier approval tests, and more than one of them decides to bite. |
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| 12:55.54 | SpeedEvil | If you can find a freerunner, or anything else running OM in a orange/3/t-mobile/o2/virgin store on the highstreet any time in 2009, I'll buy it for you. (*) |
| 12:56.01 | SpeedEvil | (*) may not actually be true. |
| 12:56.21 | SpeedEvil | in the UK. |
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| 13:00.13 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: oh, for carrier support, I'd go as far as 2010 at the earliest. |
| 13:01.21 | SpeedEvil | I think that's optimistic myself. |
| 13:01.30 | SpeedEvil | But it could happen, if all goes well |
| 13:01.53 | SpeedEvil | 2009 - only if something unexpected happens. |
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| 13:03.07 | holycow | isnt freerunner going to be available for purchase soon by devs tho? its in production no? |
| 13:03.19 | holycow | i presume one ought to be able to try dropping a sim in and using it maybe? |
| 13:03.40 | milos_ | we were talking about mainstream |
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| 13:04.00 | holycow | oh i see, right |
| 13:04.05 | milos_ | when it will be 'stable' enough |
| 13:04.12 | SpeedEvil | milo__: it's more than that. |
| 13:04.40 | SpeedEvil | milos_: it's likely going to need to be stable and usable enough for carrier approval a good 6-12 months at minimum before it's available in shops. |
| 13:05.15 | SpeedEvil | milos_: even assuming that the networks are interested in picking it up. |
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| 13:06.01 | faern | but the massproduction started yesterday? right? |
| 13:06.46 | milos_ | SpeedEvil, of course |
| 13:07.01 | milos_ | faern, I think not |
| 13:07.40 | SpeedEvil | faern: we don't know. Based on past history, we will only get to know after it completes. |
| 13:08.01 | milos_ | faern, it will be announced |
| 13:08.25 | MicRenda | no, I think |
| 13:08.28 | MicRenda | that monday |
| 13:08.31 | MicRenda | stave |
| 13:08.39 | MicRenda | will give some news |
| 13:08.46 | holycow | i think the fully open thing is a problem for carriers |
| 13:08.47 | faern | but what about steve in the community updates? |
| 13:08.53 | SpeedEvil | holycow: perhaps. |
| 13:08.58 | holycow | they are stuck in the corporate idealized model |
| 13:09.06 | holycow | they hate the idea that they are just common carriers in reality |
| 13:09.13 | rwhitby | faern: read his update message carefully - he never gives an exact date |
| 13:09.15 | holycow | and want to have toll booths all along the chain |
| 13:09.17 | MicRenda | is not easy to change so |
| 13:09.25 | MicRenda | the business model |
| 13:09.36 | holycow | moko totally democratizes cel devices |
| 13:09.37 | SpeedEvil | holycow: I've said in the past that I don't object to lock-in of OM devices - as long as the user is informed. |
| 13:09.57 | holycow | SpeedEvil: indeed, i don't object to drm as long as the user understands |
| 13:10.21 | MicRenda | mmm... according me |
| 13:10.41 | MicRenda | if a person start to use DRM, |
| 13:10.43 | holycow | although, the new free access to all spectrum in the us is the chance moko has at it |
| 13:11.02 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: I have a Linksys WRP400 wireless voip router. They have u-boot in there with a locked console, so you can't hack it without jtag (even if you have a serial port soldered on it). |
| 13:11.10 | SpeedEvil | holycow: quite irrelevant. |
| 13:11.11 | holycow | unfortunately i don't really think consumers understand anything beyond pricepoint and 'bling' |
| 13:11.35 | SpeedEvil | holycow: unless someone purchases the spectrum and opens a net on it. |
| 13:11.36 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: I doubt I could get into it without jtag even if I had their u-boot source (which they must release, and I've alerted gpl-violations.org) |
| 13:11.41 | holycow | they did |
| 13:11.43 | holycow | they haveto open it |
| 13:11.48 | holycow | its in the contract |
| 13:11.53 | holycow | remember, google lost that bid? |
| 13:12.11 | rwhitby | lost the battle, won the war :-) |
| 13:12.13 | SpeedEvil | holycow: 'open' does not mean 'free' though. |
| 13:12.13 | holycow | verizon won it i think |
| 13:12.29 | holycow | which free are you talking about? beer or speech? |
| 13:12.45 | SpeedEvil | money |
| 13:13.05 | SpeedEvil | Building out the networks costs significant amounts of money. |
| 13:13.13 | SpeedEvil | Gotta come from the users. (or the govenment) |
| 13:13.16 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03agreen * r15548ee0f3f7 10/gta02-dm2/build: fix-put-scripts-in-home-root.patch |
| 13:13.17 | holycow | ah, well sure, i pay taxes for roads and social programs, i pay to buy a moko, i pay to access a network ... |
| 13:13.31 | holycow | well verizon has a coast to coast network already |
| 13:13.39 | holycow | they just bought licence rights to that spectrum |
| 13:13.58 | SpeedEvil | Adding another frequency to your phone masts, and more backhaul isn't really cheap. |
| 13:14.03 | holycow | if their recievers can't dynamically access that spectrum i presume they have the capitalization to actually pull it off anyway |
| 13:14.23 | DukeOfURL | hello people |
| 13:14.34 | holycow | *nod* i'm not thinking its going to be widely available for a while either, but i'm in canada so we won't see such a thing at all i don't think |
| 13:14.52 | DukeOfURL | can someone take a look at this? http://pastebin.org/35051 |
| 13:14.56 | SpeedEvil | From my limited understanding of mobile phone mast technology, it's very unlikely to be able to be done without hardware additions. |
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| 13:15.23 | holycow | SpeedEvil: i think the one thing you point out that free or not is pointless is good tho - afterall the project can always offer locked phones to carriers |
| 13:15.32 | holycow | its no biggie as they can ultimately be unlocked regardless |
| 13:15.43 | holycow | SpeedEvil: *nod* that makes sense |
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| 13:18.18 | DukeOfURL | why is there a arm-elf target in the icu-native make? |
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| 13:33.40 | DukeOfURL | nevermind |
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| 14:57.46 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rc8e8b5660284 10/mickeyterm/TODO: mickeyterm: add more stuff to TODO *cough* |
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| 15:49.04 | ScaredyCat | hrm.... |
| 15:49.43 | ScaredyCat | anyone know how I'm supposed to get my public key on the projects box to allow me to access svn over ssh ? |
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| 15:50.12 | ScaredyCat | I would just copy it if I could ssh in, but it's public key only for ssh too |
| 15:51.07 | cb22 | ScaredyCat: silly cat |
| 15:51.22 | cb22 | check on the admin interface for your project |
| 15:51.49 | ScaredyCat | yes, and... |
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| 15:53.37 | cb22 | My Page -> Account Maintenance |
| 15:53.40 | cb22 | i lie |
| 15:53.56 | cb22 | and at the bottom you should see Shell Account Information |
| 15:54.46 | ScaredyCat | ta... |
| 15:56.53 | Doobe08 | i just ran make rum-qemu to run openmoko and it is giving me this: s3c_mmci_writew: Bad register 0x38 any ideas how to fix this? |
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| 16:23.44 | balrog-kun | Doobe08: you donn't need to fix this, it's completely normal |
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| 16:24.32 | balrog-kun | it could be fixed in the kernel but nobody cares because it made no problems |
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| 16:49.00 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r7e613f31e9b9 10/mickeyterm/ (TODO mickeyterm): mickeyterm: make command history persistent |
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| 17:01.02 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1389 has been created by roland(AT)mxchange.org |
| 17:01.03 | cdbot2 | * * Package libxsettings 0.11 fails to build |
| 17:01.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1389 |
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| 19:01.57 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ANTHONY_CHANG * rf4e29ec8e8b6 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): DM1 updates |
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| 19:27.27 | yabo | Hi! |
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| 19:29.57 | yabo | Is there a known release-date for the freerunner, or are we all just guessing may? |
| 19:30.51 | ccfly | check community updates |
| 19:31.00 | ccfly | end of this month seems very likely |
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| 19:31.17 | yabo | Alright, thank you |
| 19:42.38 | zedstar_ | my money has always been on june |
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| 19:55.37 | spydon | shouldnt we change the title to soon now? ^^ |
| 19:58.48 | *** topic/#openmoko by ScaredyCat -> Welcome to the Openmoko support and discussion channel! The Freerunner phone (with wifi) will be released at some time soonish (possibly). | Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 20:01.22 | zedstar_ | and not a hooker name june either |
| 20:03.41 | spydon | nice :P |
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| 20:47.35 | *** topic/#openmoko by cb22 -> Welcome to the Openmoko support and discussion channel! The Freerunner phone (with wifi) has begun mass production. | Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 20:48.00 | *** topic/#openmoko by cb22 -> Welcome to the Openmoko support and discussion channel! The Freerunner phone (with wifi) should have begun mass production. | Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 20:49.43 | cb22 | Ref: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates Today is May 10th / 11th |
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| 20:51.48 | SpeedEvil | It said production from 9-16 (IIRC) |
| 20:52.09 | SpeedEvil | this does not in itself imply that production will be happening on all those days. |
| 20:52.30 | SpeedEvil | It could be that the start-date range may be the 16th |
| 20:52.36 | SpeedEvil | up to the |
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| 20:53.45 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: after that email was one that said: The last Pre MP is done and mass production is slated to start on may 9. |
| 20:56.57 | mmontour | cb22: I'd recommend leaving the topic as "...at some time" until there's confirmation that MP has actually started |
| 20:57.30 | cb22 | mmontour: if you feel that is more suitable, then change it :) |
| 20:58.01 | mmontour | Just my opinion - I don't want to start a topic-editing war |
| 20:58.18 | cb22 | lol, no such thing |
| 20:58.52 | cb22 | i didn't mean my comment in a jesting way, the topic can be set by anyone. i just felt letting people know that MP should have begun was a good idea |
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| 21:00.13 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 21:01.51 | XorA | is bored of MP already |
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| 21:03.33 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
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| 21:03.39 | SpeedEvil | We need artisan made phones. |
| 21:03.48 | SpeedEvil | Each fully custom. |
| 21:07.45 | balrog-kun | painted by country people |
| 21:08.03 | balrog-kun | or orphaned children |
| 21:08.07 | cb22 | XorA: sssh, stop discussing GTA03 |
| 21:08.23 | cb22 | s/XorA: // |
| 21:12.00 | SpeedEvil | There will be no GTA02. |
| 21:12.04 | SpeedEvil | There will be no GTA03. |
| 21:12.07 | SpeedEvil | 4 |
| 21:12.11 | SpeedEvil | is the next one. |
| 21:12.28 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: actually, GTA03 is the artisan version |
| 21:12.38 | cb22 | hand painted by orphans |
| 21:13.02 | Dodji | hey XorA, balrog-kun |
| 21:13.26 | XorA | Hey Dodji man, hows the change of hat colour going? |
| 21:13.44 | cb22 | hat colour? is that like bikeshed colour? |
| 21:13.48 | balrog-kun | hiya Dodji |
| 21:13.53 | Dodji | XorA, well, I won't start before next month |
| 21:14.07 | Dodji | XorA, right now, I am changing the color of the walls of my appartment |
| 21:14.16 | Dodji | XorA, very hard |
| 21:14.18 | balrog-kun | they GTA number are shifted logically left one bit on every revision |
| 21:14.22 | balrog-kun | *numbers |
| 21:14.26 | XorA | Dodji: heh, hopefully not company colours :-) |
| 21:15.04 | stefan_schmidt | RedHat red makes angry ;) |
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| 21:15.58 | Dodji | XorA, haha, no no. not company colors ;-) |
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| 21:16.46 | cb22 | So, since this channel seems to be overflowing with OM employees now, will GTA04 look hot? :) |
| 21:17.35 | SpeedEvil | It will have a casing composed of realistic flame. |
| 21:17.42 | balrog-kun | so hot you can't handle ;) |
| 21:17.46 | mjr | wasn't it real flame? |
| 21:18.11 | mjr | that's why it'll be shipped with asbestos gloves |
| 21:18.12 | SpeedEvil | Using sonys new battery/case technology. |
| 21:21.42 | stefan_schmidt | cb22: There is stuff that people are not allowed to tell. |
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| 21:23.06 | stefan_schmidt | cb22: Ah, and only XorA is still really working for OM. ;) |
| 21:23.26 | balrog-kun | there are those new exploding batteries |
| 21:23.31 | balrog-kun | this would be hot |
| 21:23.49 | cb22 | Openmoko GTA04, now with Sony batteries. Too hot to handle. |
| 21:26.04 | cb22 | 22:52 < SpeedEvil> this does not in itself imply that production will be happening on all those days. |
| 21:26.44 | cb22 | wtf? my computer is possessed |
| 21:27.06 | cb22 | i didn't touch anything, and that line magically inserted itself |
| 21:27.20 | cb22 | curse you Merovingian! |
| 21:27.25 | Merovingian | lol |
| 21:28.09 | CoreDump | a gta04 with gfx capabilities of a sony PSP would be nice ;) |
| 21:28.26 | cb22 | or a gta04 with a gfx bus faster then wifi :p |
| 21:28.58 | DukeOfURL | does anyone have GPRS working with AT&T/Cingular? |
| 21:30.18 | unknown_lamer | cb22: which is does! |
| 21:30.55 | unknown_lamer | cb22: the sc6400 has nice graphics accleration stuff on chip eliminating the need for an external chip so graphics bus bandwidth is main memory bus bandwidth |
| 21:31.10 | cb22 | unknown_lamer: now thats more like it :) |
| 21:35.29 | SpeedEvil | and 6410 is pin compat with 3d |
| 21:35.51 | balrog-kun | misread this as graphics elimination chip |
| 21:38.22 | cyrilRomain | the apx2500 is probably better for graphics: http://www.nvidia.fr/page/apx_2500.html |
| 21:38.41 | cyrilRomain | but it is far from being open source compatible .. |
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| 21:46.38 | cyrilRomain | but watching movies on a mobile is something I'll never understand |
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| 21:48.06 | SpeedEvil | If you're stuck on a train, and have no space for a laptop |
| 21:49.40 | cyrilRomain | watching a movie on a little screen and without good sound does not make sense |
| 21:49.53 | cyrilRomain | when I'm stuck on a train, I take a book |
| 21:49.55 | cb22 | Not really |
| 21:50.22 | cb22 | I can watch movies quite nicely on my e51, and thats a tiny screen compared to the neo / freerunner |
| 21:50.48 | cb22 | Phone + Decent A2DP bluetooth headset is quite good |
| 21:51.01 | SpeedEvil | Or phones. |
| 21:51.13 | zedstar_ | if u just happy slapped someone and want to show your friends in the school playground it works |
| 21:51.40 | cb22 | Well, the screen is the res of standard PAL tv |
| 21:51.53 | balrog-kun | on a train you should wear a VR helmet |
| 21:52.04 | cb22 | Or go train surfing |
| 21:52.13 | cb22 | those damn japanese copied it from us south africans |
| 21:52.18 | mwester | wonders if anyone remembers those things called "books" |
| 21:52.57 | unknown_lamer | books are obsolete media must have moving pictures and audio |
| 21:53.16 | XorA | whats a book? |
| 21:53.20 | cb22 | XorA: .pdf |
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| 21:53.43 | SpeedEvil | I want hyperlinks in text. |
| 21:53.57 | SpeedEvil | I love my backrefernce script for ebooks. |
| 21:54.50 | SpeedEvil | It links back to the first occurrance of a name, if it comes up when it hasn't been used for 20 lines or so. |
| 21:54.52 | SpeedEvil | 200 |
| 21:55.30 | unknown_lamer | I wish I had hypertext for my Kierkegaard books |
| 21:55.45 | SpeedEvil | It's great for 'cast of thousands'. |
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| 21:55.50 | unknown_lamer | it would make is easier to look up references especially if they linked to the referenced texts (other Kierkegaard works, Hegel, ...) |
| 21:56.20 | SpeedEvil | This was a trivial effrt. |
| 21:57.04 | unknown_lamer | I want my freerunner so I can start working on my CLIM based UI ideas |
| 21:57.23 | SpeedEvil | It simply takes strings of capitalised words not at the beginning of a sentance and links back to the first occurrance, or puts a bookmark at that place for future refs. |
| 21:57.26 | unknown_lamer | I'd like my computing environment to aid my real world existence instead of forcing me to stare at it all day |
| 21:57.35 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: CLIM? |
| 21:57.41 | unknown_lamer | common lisp interface manager |
| 21:57.45 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 21:58.10 | unknown_lamer | I just got gadget based accepting-values dialogs working and troels henrikson approved of my code woo |
| 21:58.21 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.56 | XorA | ~lart darkside nurses |
| 21:58.56 | apt | squeezes darkside nurses till darkside nurses turns blue like papa smurf |
| 21:59.19 | unknown_lamer | now if only the gtkairo backend worked more nicely |
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| 22:04.55 | zedstar_ | moon walks across the channel again in reference to Micheal Jackson |
| 22:05.26 | cb22 | directs zedstar_ away from the primary school |
| 22:11.30 | ewon | heh |
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| 22:26.38 | zeno_ | im assuming the freerunner will sell out, how long (about) before the next one? |
| 22:28.23 | SpeedEvil | They claim to be going to do ongoing full production |
| 22:29.16 | SpeedEvil | Anyway - they only sell out when they put windows on it. |
| 22:29.49 | fenfir | touché |
| 22:30.53 | XorA | hopes FreeRunner sells billions |
| 22:31.00 | _charly_ | windows on a phone? that means rebooting instead of phoning... |
| 22:31.03 | _charly_ | hi :) |
| 22:31.25 | ccfly | yeah but you've got a nice looking PDA clock |
| 22:31.30 | ccfly | tic tac |
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