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| 00:05.08 | zeno_ | mmontour: ah ok thanks, i guess i could use it at first. also does it work with t-mobile? |
| 00:06.37 | mmontour | It should work with any GSM carrier as long as you buy the appropriate model (850MHz for North America, 900MHz elsewhere) |
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| 00:34.45 | CMatters | zeno: I think the target for a fully function consumer edition is 2009 |
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| 03:57.34 | sparq | doc|home: s'allright |
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| 04:21.00 | summatusmentis | hi raster |
| 04:21.16 | raster | moo |
| 04:25.42 | mmontour | Does anyone here have audio working from the Neo to a bluetooth headset (either for calls or for system audio output)? I bought a headset today but so far I haven't been able to get any sound out of it (although it looks like it's paired OK). |
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| 04:29.55 | mmontour | More details of the problem in http://www.pastebin.ca/1010108 |
| 04:33.57 | mwester | updated GTA01 kernel (suspend/resume should work a bit better) added to http://moko.mwester.net/ |
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| 05:24.20 | mmontour | mwester: I just tried your kernel. Manual suspend with "apm -s", then I called the Neo. It resumed, but it did not ring and my call went to voicemail. |
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| 05:34.58 | mmontour | mwester: After my phone suspended again I pressed the power button to wake it up. The screen came up all white, and there was an 'oops' in dmesg. See http://www.pastebin.ca/1010146 |
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| 06:12.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1382 has been created by thebohemian(AT)gmx.net |
| 06:12.02 | cdbot2 | * * verbose mmc-related kernel messages slow down boot process (GTA01) |
| 06:12.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1382 |
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| 06:31.57 | mwester | mmontour: what's the output from cat /proc/cmdline ? |
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| 06:41.28 | rwhitby | Anyone got a pre-built GTA02 image, so I don't have to wait for my build? |
| 06:41.58 | XorA | rwhitby: you received a toy? |
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| 06:42.20 | rwhitby | XorA: yes, the only problem is I think it's an 850 one, and I need 900 in Australia. |
| 06:42.45 | XorA | oh, I didnt even know we had made 850 ones yet :-) |
| 06:43.07 | rwhitby | The sticker in the battery bay says 850MHz - I wanted to boot an image and try registering to confirm. |
| 06:44.03 | XorA | is still waiting for his build machine to boot |
| 06:44.47 | XorA | rwhitby: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ |
| 06:44.56 | XorA | rwhitby: there are gta02 ones there |
| 06:45.28 | rwhitby | thx |
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| 06:49.54 | mmontour | mwester: /proc/cmdline is rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock4 console=tty0 loglevel=8 mtdparts=neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00004000(u-boot_env),0x00200000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x03d1c000(rootfs) (note that I've rebooted since the original tests) |
| 06:51.05 | mwester | Of course, but the cmdline will be the same. I notice that you have the ttySAC0 console removed. I wonder if that might be significant... |
| 06:51.59 | mwester | I seem to recall some really strange stuff happened during resume when tty0 is specified to be the first or only console. |
| 06:52.36 | mwester | The pm debugging code spews console messages directly to the UART, bypassing the serial driver altogether, which is rather problematic. |
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| 06:53.35 | mwester | I'll take a look in the morning to see if this is still a problem, and might explain your dmesg. |
| 06:54.21 | mmontour | I can try it tomorrow with the ttySAC0 statement added. |
| 06:57.44 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:00.16 | rwhitby | hopes the daily image is a good one today .. |
| 07:00.56 | rwhitby | adds the setup-machine-freerunner target to MokoMakefile |
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| 07:08.17 | nab | Does anyone know if Michael Shiloh idles here..? |
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| 07:09.25 | mickeyl | seldomly |
| 07:09.35 | nab | What was his nick..? |
| 07:09.43 | mickeyl | MichaelShiloh |
| 07:09.48 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * ra3e3e5ee4327 10/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Continued implementing new fso api (call status and activate) |
| 07:09.56 | nab | Cool, thanks mickeyl. :-) |
| 07:10.09 | nab | I wanted to ping him about the prototypes coming to CA. |
| 07:10.10 | nab | :-) |
| 07:11.47 | nab | mickeyl: I am the fellow who was doing IP storage stuff for openmoko.. |
| 07:12.11 | nab | I sent him my neo1973 to update the GSM firmware, as I was never able to get GPRS working with the 3g fireball SIMs |
| 07:12.29 | mickeyl | ah |
| 07:12.31 | nab | I am eagerly awaiting to get an update from him |
| 07:12.31 | nab | :-) |
| 07:12.50 | nab | And to do some cluster filesystem over iSCSI/Wifi testing with GTA02 |
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| 07:19.40 | Outlander | how fast can gprs go? |
| 07:19.43 | Outlander | on a good day |
| 07:19.54 | nab | I think its ISDN speeds |
| 07:20.01 | nab | On the order of ~12 Kbit |
| 07:20.07 | nab | er |
| 07:20.08 | nab | duh |
| 07:20.15 | nab | 12 Kbyte a sec. :) |
| 07:20.29 | nab | Not very good for a large FS fsck. :-) |
| 07:20.42 | raster | in theory 40kbit i think |
| 07:20.47 | raster | in practice more like 20 |
| 07:20.55 | nab | That is why smaller read-only mounts only work well over those types of speeds. |
| 07:21.04 | nab | Greetings raster |
| 07:21.09 | nab | :-) |
| 07:21.10 | raster | moo |
| 07:21.13 | raster | :) |
| 07:21.25 | nab | Hey, something I wanted to show you wrt the thread about video playback |
| 07:21.36 | nab | http://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/OCFS2/iSCSI_for_OS-2008 |
| 07:21.56 | nab | I have been doing this with the 770/800 for a while using ext3 + iSCSI/Wifi |
| 07:22.10 | nab | And can do the 320x240 avi playback using the maemo player |
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| 07:23.05 | used1 | hello ... ppl |
| 07:23.06 | nab | I recently started playing with OCFS2 on that setup (I use it alot for production with lio.org) and have been running into some issues wrt DLM (distributed lock manager protocol compat) |
| 07:23.09 | used1 | anyone alive here? |
| 07:23.18 | nab | But was able to get it going on v2.6.21 with v7 of the DLM protocol |
| 07:23.25 | used1 | cest moi.... UV |
| 07:23.28 | nab | Anyways, I am excited to try it on v2.6.24 on the freerunner |
| 07:23.45 | used1 | 2.6.24 ... should be 3.2.1.5 |
| 07:23.53 | used1 | they got us by the balls ppl |
| 07:23.55 | nab | I did some builds for the neo on 2.6.22, and could do audio playback etc. |
| 07:24.11 | used1 | big nose has got both my devices |
| 07:24.13 | nab | s/builds/iSCSI Initiator builds |
| 07:24.25 | nab | But did not try the video playback on the neo over the network |
| 07:24.28 | used1 | can anyone help me out here.... trying to escape hell... |
| 07:24.31 | raster | yanfs :) |
| 07:24.49 | used1 | beam me up scotty |
| 07:25.03 | used1 | ISRAEL... is all red & white |
| 07:25.08 | nab | raster: Anyways, it should be really interesting. |
| 07:25.09 | nab | :-) |
| 07:25.54 | used1 | are broadcasting is intense over here,,,,,,, help me out guys |
| 07:25.57 | used1 | are ==our |
| 07:26.03 | used1 | anyone alive? |
| 07:26.07 | used1 | sending out an SOS |
| 07:26.14 | rwhitby | ...---... |
| 07:26.34 | used1 | rwhitby I know |
| 07:26.40 | used1 | but all the candy has fucked that up |
| 07:27.11 | used1 | no sleep |
| 07:27.12 | used1 | no food |
| 07:27.14 | used1 | no love |
| 07:27.19 | used1 | no hope |
| 07:27.24 | rwhitby | no clue |
| 07:27.30 | used1 | and not nessecary in that order...;) |
| 07:27.46 | used1 | you guys... my world is turned upside down... |
| 07:27.53 | used1 | but I know how to escape... |
| 07:27.58 | used1 | but just pinging you to life |
| 07:28.04 | used1 | it's all in the mind |
| 07:28.05 | used1 | remember |
| 07:28.27 | used1 | ok just closed my right eye |
| 07:28.45 | used1 | mama...mia,... my mother is a monster |
| 07:29.05 | used1 | ok I will cruise soon |
| 07:29.12 | raster | eh... |
| 07:29.13 | raster | umm |
| 07:29.36 | used1 | raster.... u alive? |
| 07:30.55 | nab | Well that was an interesting fellow. |
| 07:31.39 | buz | not sure what he tried to say but interesting, yes |
| 07:31.58 | nab | .mia,... my mother is a monster |
| 07:31.58 | nab | <used1> ok I will cruise soon |
| 07:31.58 | nab | <raster> eh... |
| 07:31.58 | nab | <raster> umm |
| 07:31.58 | nab | <used1> raster.... u alive? |
| 07:31.59 | nab | *** Signoff: no_mind ("Leaving") |
| 07:32.04 | nab | Ugh |
| 07:32.14 | nab | http://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/FIC_Neo1973 |
| 07:32.36 | nab | is the project page for iSCSI stuff for the Neo. |
| 07:33.08 | nab | There will be GTA02 builds as the project gets the hardware of course. :-) |
| 07:33.15 | raster | no idea what he was smoking |
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| 07:33.21 | raster | but it was pretty potent stuff |
| 07:34.02 | nab | raster: :-) |
| 07:34.14 | buz | not sure i'd want to try it though |
| 07:34.38 | buz | nab: still trying for iscsi over gsm? |
| 07:34.51 | nab | buz: I haven't tested that in a while. |
| 07:34.54 | nab | But it does work, yes. |
| 07:34.59 | buz | (i gotta say that was one of the weirder things done with neo) |
| 07:35.07 | nab | Never on the Neo however, because I could never get the GPRS to work.. |
| 07:35.10 | nab | At lest not yet. :-) |
| 07:35.25 | nab | The Wifi bit on the GTA02 is the big thing for me |
| 07:35.40 | buz | gprs was much more out there |
| 07:35.42 | nab | eg: Doing shared storage between Maemo and Openmoko devices |
| 07:35.47 | buz | iscsi over wlan is sort of obvious :P |
| 07:35.57 | nab | buz: its just difficult as the mount size increases. |
| 07:36.30 | nab | My tests with iSCSI/GSM and GPRS where always with like 1 GB ext2 RO mounts |
| 07:36.39 | nab | Actually, no, there was some RW. |
| 07:36.57 | nab | Like saving images from the camera to the IP storage LUN, etc. |
| 07:37.25 | nab | But doing debugging on the Motorola devices was kinda hard. :-) |
| 07:37.43 | nab | And the v2.4 kernel had some definately issues with the GPRS link failing and outstanding WRITE I/Os, etc. |
| 07:37.59 | nab | The MV stuff |
| 07:38.14 | nab | Anyways, its great to see modern v2.6 on all the mobile stuff these days. |
| 07:38.14 | nab | :-) |
| 07:39.23 | nab | There is one of the LIO devs who is doing some iSCSI over 3G stuff using VMs which is pretty interesting.. |
| 07:39.53 | nab | I think you should be able to scale that pretty decently for mobile stuff, even with the latency issues. |
| 07:40.09 | nab | network latency issues that is. |
| 07:41.36 | nab | But it will be great to get an open mobile device with 3G+wifi |
| 07:41.53 | nab | Until we folks here in CA get WiMax. :P |
| 07:42.20 | nab | Actually, I wonder what the latency comparisions are between 3G and Mobile Wimax. |
| 07:42.49 | nab | People are saying like 50 ms RTT I believe for the latter. |
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| 07:56.13 | AlgorithmicContr | why is open source important? |
| 07:56.38 | nab | AlgorithmicContr: There are quite a few reasons |
| 07:56.51 | nab | But when I explan it to people, I use the bridge building analogy |
| 07:57.20 | nab | eg: while construction a bridge, the designs are reviewed by multiple independent firms to ensure the stability of the design |
| 07:57.33 | nab | and not a single group where no-one gets to see the design plans |
| 07:57.50 | nab | Due to the high risk of castrophe, loss of life, etc. |
| 07:58.15 | nab | Non tech folks always get that one. |
| 07:59.05 | nab | One of the other more engineer ones, is that "you can always fix the problem yourself if you have all the source code" |
| 07:59.36 | raboof | AlgorithmicContr: for me as a hacker, I am annoyed that I have a 'closed' phone which have a couple of trivial annoyances which I cannot do anything to fix (like the clock font being way too small, for example, or the date not showing on the main screen) |
| 07:59.37 | nab | or the open source support model one; if you want to add a room to your house, you don't have to be a carpender, but you can hire one |
| 07:59.48 | raboof | AlgorithmicContr: there's plenty of non-hacker reasons too though :) |
| 08:00.08 | nab | Same with OSS support, there is monopoly on it; unlike the propritary model where the vendor has a monopoly on support. |
| 08:00.14 | nab | More or less |
| 08:02.17 | raboof | AlgorithmicContr: on more theoretical ground, I personally feel the 'traditional' way of software development is inherently inefficient, prohibiting reuse. |
| 08:02.54 | raboof | AlgorithmicContr: there should be a point where it's cheaper to contribute to a shared effort to solve your problems, rather than re-inventing the wheel/phone internally |
| 08:03.05 | AlgorithmicContr | Windows is the best |
| 08:03.17 | AlgorithmicContr | And I'm amazed that they do it as well as they do, given the huge variance in systems that they have to deal with. |
| 08:03.18 | raboof | that'll probably be possible for some sectors and not for others |
| 08:03.22 | AlgorithmicContr | Make an OS that's pretty much universally compatible. |
| 08:03.26 | AlgorithmicContr | And backwards-compatible. |
| 08:03.34 | AlgorithmicContr | The people who make Windows have an epic task. |
| 08:04.01 | AlgorithmicContr | Adobe Premiere. I would love to hear about a free, open-source alternative. |
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| 08:06.13 | raboof | no argument there - surely the industry has produced a lot of impressive stuff, both proprietary and open |
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| 08:11.25 | rwhitby | Hmm - I guess I should add some makefile targets to build the qtopia monotone branch that is being worked on. |
| 08:14.37 | nab | AlgorithmicContr: Actually, I would contend that the linux kernel project has a much greater task for going into as many places as it does. |
| 08:14.59 | nab | Windows (minus the embedded variants) actually has WORSE hardware support than linux on older PC hardware |
| 08:16.27 | XorA | rwhitby: openmok-qtopia-x11-image |
| 08:16.34 | nab | Hell, you can even run linux on a MMU-less hardware too. |
| 08:16.35 | raster | AlgorithmicContr: you are now welcome to share the bribe microsoft paid you to come here and speak. |
| 08:16.38 | raster | share it around now |
| 08:16.40 | raster | dont be shy |
| 08:16.41 | raster | :) |
| 08:16.52 | nab | remembers the microsoft booth at past LWCEs |
| 08:16.53 | nab | :-) |
| 08:17.08 | AlgorithmicContr | embedded variants? |
| 08:17.12 | nab | WindowsCE |
| 08:17.38 | rwhitby | XorA: aha - mokomakefile currently builds openmoko-qtopia-image, not openmoko-qtopia-x11-image - should I change it to do the latter? |
| 08:17.38 | nab | But embedded Linux has been dominating in that space for some time. |
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| 08:18.15 | XorA | rwhitby: no, need first for gta01, second for gt02 |
| 08:18.20 | nab | When MSFT did their open sauce initiative for WindowsCe, it was too late |
| 08:18.26 | AlgorithmicContr | Dude, Windows CE is still dominating on Smartphones. |
| 08:18.36 | AlgorithmicContr |  In fact, as far as I know it's the leading OS on Smartphones. |
| 08:18.53 | XorA | hides his WinCE phone |
| 08:19.00 | nab | Heh, I would love to see the real numbers for windowsCE vs. embedded linux units shipped |
| 08:19.26 | nab | Not numbers from an industry backed TA. |
| 08:19.27 | raster | AlgorithmicContr: then u are free to go and develop for it buy windows smartphones and use them |
| 08:19.27 | nab | :P |
| 08:19.32 | raster | no one here stops u |
| 08:19.36 | raster | nor really cares |
| 08:20.07 | raster | chinese is probably the most widely spoken language in the world |
| 08:20.13 | raster | more people at any rate |
| 08:20.17 | raster | soquikc |
| 08:20.20 | raster | give up on english |
| 08:20.23 | XorA | is probably the most popular food in the world as well |
| 08:20.23 | raster | stop speaking |
| 08:20.31 | raster | u must now speak read and write only mandarin |
| 08:20.36 | nab | gets hungry |
| 08:20.43 | XorA | fancies chinese now |
| 08:22.40 | AlgorithmicContr | raster: you can |
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| 08:24.18 | raster | æ²æåé¡ |
| 08:24.47 | AlgorithmicContr | Linux fails |
| 08:25.17 | nab | AlgorithmicContr: I think you are going to need more than two words to try to convience a room full of OSS professionals |
| 08:25.18 | nab | :-) |
| 08:25.35 | nab | More like two words a second. :P |
| 08:25.36 | nab | hehe |
| 08:25.44 | nab | But anyways |
| 08:25.48 | nab | stops being OT |
| 08:25.52 | AlgorithmicContr | nab:  In the things I do in my day to day life, and in the hardware I use, only closed-source alternatives have proven to be robust and reliable enough. |
| 08:26.06 | nab | Sure |
| 08:26.20 | nab | I am by no meanings making the case for a complete OSS world. |
| 08:26.31 | nab | The idea is that people who use other solutions where they see fit. |
| 08:26.38 | AlgorithmicContr | nab: As a television and music producer, there have been no obvious software candidates outside of the PC and Mac/closed source framework. |
| 08:26.39 | nab | However, the bit contention point is the 'lock in'. |
| 08:27.00 | AlgorithmicContr |  In my experiences with Linux, I have found it to be unreliable and unweildy. |
| 08:27.03 | nab | I have no idea what type of app you are talking about, but in some cases the lock-in can be devistating to your buisness and/or pocketbook |
| 08:27.32 | nab | AlgorithmicContr: In my experience, I have found that I am able to fix the issue on open platforms. |
| 08:27.34 | XorA | wasnt LotR heavilly done with FOSS software? |
| 08:27.41 | nab | And not have to ask the vendor to do it for me, and my expense. |
| 08:27.58 | nab | XorA: yeah, its used all over that indstury these days. |
| 08:28.06 | nab | Actually, on alot of Mac hardware I hear. |
| 08:28.18 | nab | Usually mactel-linux for the newer installs and render farms |
| 08:28.54 | nab | AlgorithmicContr: See in the open source world, you can have multiple vendors giving you support, and giving you more/better support at a lower cost |
| 08:29.13 | nab | (If you can fix it yourself, or find an engineer to bribe) |
| 08:29.47 | nab | AlgorithmicContr: you should really look at that ESR book about all of this stuff |
| 08:30.12 | nab | the cathedral and the bazaar |
| 08:30.12 | AlgorithmicContr | nab: I tried RedHat a year ago |
| 08:30.23 | AlgorithmicContr |  It started with no drivers available. I'm not a dumb guy. I'm fluent in about 15 computing languages and have been a coder for years. |
| 08:30.29 | AlgorithmicContr | But since I don't want to write my own drivers and they weren't available on my fairly common Dell system, there was obviously a gaping hole there. |
| 08:30.45 | AlgorithmicContr | Next, I found the quality of the software to be low, by my standards. This included functionality and aesthetic, and I have outlined this to you. Now you can argue with me, but there are numerous Linux advocates around here who failed. |
| 08:30.59 | nab | heh |
| 08:31.09 | nab | Well, I don't have to argue anything, I live it. :-) |
| 08:31.19 | nab | runs a self hosted Linux storage project |
| 08:31.55 | nab | So it is unfortuate that you had a bad experience with OSS.. |
| 08:32.01 | AlgorithmicContr | Given the tremendous costs of time, energy, and effort to move to Linux and (apparently) re-invent the wheel for the sophisticated music, TV, math, and physics things I do, I'm sticking with Windows, with which I'm perfectly content. |
| 08:32.11 | nab | But the benfit that it brings in undeniable. |
| 08:32.22 | AlgorithmicContr | As far as you go, it is unsurprising to me that the things you do have Linux alternatives. |
| 08:32.23 | nab | eg: The Scentific method applied to software development. |
| 08:32.48 | AlgorithmicContr | nab:  It is definitely deniable. |
| 08:32.57 | AlgorithmicContr | Maybe in 10 years. |
| 08:33.01 | nab | throws his hands in the air |
| 08:33.10 | nab | To each his own I suppose |
| 08:33.14 | nab | :-) |
| 08:33.53 | nab | I would rather get back to discussion OpenMoko anyhow. |
| 08:33.54 | nab | :-) |
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| 08:36.05 | nab | Anyone with OM related discussion, please continue |
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| 08:37.06 | raster | AlgorithmicContr: and i would say the same thng for windows |
| 08:37.14 | raster | try installing xp on a syste with an sata controller |
| 08:37.20 | nab | Heh |
| 08:37.21 | raster | and that doesnt have an ide emulation mode |
| 08:37.23 | nab | Boot floppies |
| 08:37.23 | raster | good luck |
| 08:37.34 | raster | for me linux installs almost everywhere pc-wise |
| 08:37.43 | AlgorithmicContr | Moreover, I don't think the business model will work in the long run, when people in business will have grown up using computers as infants. |
| 08:37.44 | raster | and most things work out of the box MUCH better than windows |
| 08:37.55 | raster | i dont have to go hunting all the driver downloads just to get any vuideo to work sanely |
| 08:37.57 | raster | etc. etc. |
| 08:38.02 | nab | notes his collection inclues Alpha/Sparc/ARM/PPC/PowerPC/IA64/x86_64/MIPS |
| 08:38.09 | nab | And they all run the same distro. |
| 08:38.10 | nab | :P |
| 08:38.19 | nab | can't help but throw gas on the fire |
| 08:38.20 | raster | and i've been using linux since the dark days (1.x kernels and sclakware) |
| 08:38.45 | raster | but as such |
| 08:38.48 | raster | as nab said |
| 08:38.50 | nab | Allow me to translate for rasterman |
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| 08:38.55 | raster | u are in an audience of professionals |
| 08:38.58 | nab | Before SMP and package managers for Linux |
| 08:39.10 | raster | i have been doing "linux" (software develpmnet) for a 100% living |
| 08:39.10 | nab | :-) |
| 08:39.20 | raster | for over a decade |
| 08:39.37 | raster | so dont talk to me about business models |
| 08:40.05 | raster | i can talk to you about the business hel of licensing someone elses softwre that is a blakc box |
| 08:40.10 | nab | ACtually, I believe the first SMP bits (with BKL issues) in v2.0 |
| 08:40.12 | raster | that u have limtied knowledge and access to |
| 08:40.36 | nab | I don't recall if the first patches where for x86 or Alpha |
| 08:40.39 | raster | that doesnt do what it says it does and u sink countless days or weeks engineering workaroudns rather than just lookin at the src, finding the problem patching it and sending the fix back |
| 08:40.42 | raster | which is MUCH faster |
| 08:40.45 | nab | Probably the former I would assume |
| 08:40.47 | raster | i've doen wince development |
| 08:40.50 | raster | for a short time |
| 08:40.58 | raster | u know how to speed up wince development? |
| 08:41.02 | raster | develop on linux |
| 08:41.04 | nab | After maddog got Linus his Alpha |
| 08:41.05 | nab | :-) |
| 08:41.08 | raster | then at the end PORT ti wince |
| 08:41.22 | raster | to |
| 08:43.27 | nab | drops a pin |
| 08:43.34 | AlgorithmicContr | There are plenty of Windows mods. |
| 08:44.00 | raster | and so? |
| 08:44.04 | raster | do we look like we care? |
| 08:44.11 | kario | :) |
| 08:44.31 | raster | ae are happy with linux |
| 08:44.35 | raster | idt does what we want |
| 08:44.37 | raster | HOw we want |
| 08:44.44 | raster | we can make it do anything we want it to |
| 08:44.47 | raster | with ease |
| 08:44.49 | raster | and comfort |
| 08:45.07 | raster | its open and easy to modify anything within the behemoth that is a linux distro |
| 08:45.09 | raster | as the code is there |
| 08:45.12 | nab | notes that only Linux can do the next-gen prototypes for Linux-iSCSI.org projects |
| 08:45.27 | nab | Due to the prevasiveness of open source and linux |
| 08:46.16 | nab | Like the cluster filesystems across multiple devices and OSes (using VMs) over multiple types of network links |
| 08:46.36 | nab | Which in many cases, has never been duplicated |
| 08:46.38 | nab | My point is |
| 08:46.51 | AlgorithmicContr |  I will concede 1 big point. |
| 08:46.53 | nab | Is that in the storage world, no-one looks as the windows platform as a serious platform |
| 08:46.57 | AlgorithmicContr |  More people should look at security code. |
| 08:47.08 | nab | For mission critical apps that you have lives depending on. |
| 08:47.19 | nab | (Not that alot of people use PC for that, mainframe anyone..?) |
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| 08:47.32 | nab | But again, it goes back to the peer review |
| 08:47.50 | nab | Would you put your life in the hands of a piece of code you could not see..? |
| 08:47.57 | nab | And was developed by a small group in secret..? |
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| 08:48.17 | nab | Regardless of the qualifications of those individuals, their is a rick. |
| 08:48.20 | nab | s/rick/risk |
| 08:48.33 | nab | Espically as node count / complexity starts to grow |
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| 08:48.43 | AlgorithmicContr | nab: More people can spot security flaws, or exploit them. |
| 08:48.45 | AlgorithmicContr | with open source |
| 08:48.46 | nab | (if we are talking about the cluster / enterprise block level storage case) |
| 08:48.55 | nab | AlgorithmicContr: Heh |
| 08:49.12 | nab | ESR debunked that one before SMP went into the kernel. |
| 08:49.26 | nab | Security through Obsecurity is a joke |
| 08:49.36 | nab | Ask any of the crypto guys |
| 08:49.42 | nab | Why do you think the NSA posted the SELinux patches..? |
| 08:49.59 | nab | So they could get strong access controls into a mainstream OS. |
| 08:50.02 | nab | FOR THEIR OWN USES |
| 08:50.04 | raster | its not just security |
| 08:50.07 | raster | its bugs in general |
| 08:50.19 | raster | when your own users are sending you patchesfor new featues they need and want |
| 08:50.22 | raster | eg in a library |
| 08:50.23 | raster | or a service |
| 08:50.30 | raster | that THEIr code and app depends on |
| 08:50.57 | raster | and they now that in a few days or a week there is a turnaround of their changes being applied and now their upstream provider of that library or service has their feature included |
| 08:51.10 | raster | u never see that anywhre in the cosed commercial pay for everything world |
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| 08:51.27 | nab | <nod> |
| 08:51.41 | nab | Why do you think that all of the commerical OS folks (aside from MSFT) are using open source userspace now..? |
| 08:51.48 | nab | Like SUN and Apple |
| 08:52.01 | raster | your general response to "your library does X and Y ell, but i need Z and it misses aspect Z of what it does - can i have your source so i can do your work for you and add that feature in myself rather than workign aorund it or just giving up?" |
| 08:52.05 | nab | Because it reduces 1) engineering resources, and produces better code! |
| 08:52.25 | raster | is "no - you cant see the source and you may need to wait 6 months until the next version - and that will cost you an additional $X in licensing too" |
| 08:52.28 | nab | Too bad due to the way that the OS world works, they have no drivers |
| 08:52.30 | nab | :-) |
| 08:52.37 | raster | or you get a "no - can't be done" resposne |
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| 08:52.41 | raster | in open source |
| 08:52.46 | nab | Or rather, a small amount compared to a modern v2.6 Linux kernel |
| 08:52.51 | raster | your "customerS" send you patches for the thing they need |
| 08:52.56 | raster | or for the bug they found |
| 08:53.06 | raster | u review it to make sure the changes are not bad |
| 08:53.10 | raster | and apply to your tree |
| 08:53.18 | raster | in no time flat the fix is available to everyone |
| 08:53.21 | raster | o the new feature |
| 08:53.28 | raster | open source works - if u are a developer |
| 08:53.36 | nab | raster: Better than the: "We see you are in a tight spot, so we aren't going to fix it unless you give us more $$$" |
| 08:53.36 | raster | its just about the BEST way to develop software |
| 08:53.46 | raster | of course if u are not a software develoepr u'll just never undersand that |
| 08:53.55 | raboof | in closed-source software, only the 'bad guys' hunt for flawes, since most 'good guys' don't know how to use reverse engineering tools like decompilers at al |
| 08:54.03 | nab | In my industry, that is notorious for happening. |
| 08:54.22 | raboof | for the better 'bad guys', not having the source doesn't matter much - you'd be amazed what all those reverse-engineering tools can do |
| 08:54.41 | nab | Not to mention that you would have to buy all new storage hardware if you wanted to move away from that particular vendor |
| 08:54.58 | nab | Which is pretty much a non-option for most buisnesses without in-host storage knowlege. |
| 08:55.07 | nab | s/in-host/in-house |
| 08:55.25 | nab | raboof: Good point |
| 08:55.27 | nab | :-) |
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| 08:56.16 | nab | wonders if he is going to have to start making the windows case |
| 08:56.24 | nab | in order to keep the discussion going. |
| 08:56.25 | nab | :P |
| 08:57.12 | nab | Or we can finish the discussion with a SINGLE wikipedia URL |
| 08:57.33 | nab | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_botnet |
| 08:57.40 | nab | That is the main reason why you should not be using windows |
| 08:58.01 | nab | You can thank BillG for not going with the UNIX MAC model, and introducing that type of problem to the net. |
| 08:58.05 | AlgorithmicContr | nab:  I will concede 1 big point. More people should look at security code. More people can spot security flaws, or exploit them. security is better when open. that is, in the long run (not short), open is better for that. In the progressive short run, I'm not sure. Believe it or not, Nortel flagged Vista as the safest OS for quite a while, and they hate MS.  So perhaps I'm wrong. |
| 08:58.14 | nab | Well, I don't know if it was his fault, but they should have stuck with fucking Xenix |
| 08:58.38 | nab | AlgorithmicContr: Please |
| 08:58.49 | nab | Are you just cut and pasting this from a MSFT website..? |
| 08:59.01 | AlgorithmicContr | nab: no |
| 08:59.12 | nab | Because even MSFT cannot make Vista secure |
| 08:59.20 | nab | They have to depend on the 3rd party AV vendors to do it for them. |
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| 08:59.50 | trickie_ | AlgorithmicContr: i think you are not really making a case at all, especially to this group of developers |
| 09:00.00 | nab | See, having a AntiVirus industry that generates hundred of millions of dollars is a BAD thing for the software ecosystem. |
| 09:00.06 | trickie_ | 'Nortel flagged Vista as the safest OS for quite a while' is not an argument point at all |
| 09:00.08 | nab | Not to mention the Storm Botnet |
| 09:00.22 | emdete | raster: i stil don't understand that swallow trick. could you help? |
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| 09:00.41 | AlgorithmicContr |  Firstly, Vista comes with Windows Defender, Firewall, and numerous other protections. |
| 09:00.52 | nab | Ugh |
| 09:01.24 | AlgorithmicContr | Secondly, if you look at the court decisions, you will realize why Microsoft can't include a lot of these things. For anti-trust reasons. I think it's bullshit. |
| 09:01.38 | AlgorithmicContr |  You guys just spew the party line. |
| 09:01.51 | nab | waits for his GTA02 prototype |
| 09:02.02 | trickie_ | not gonna take anymore bait |
| 09:02.13 | nab | AlgorithmicContr: Heh |
| 09:02.24 | nab | yep, troll patrol |
| 09:02.24 | nab | :-) |
| 09:02.47 | AlgorithmicContr | nab: what? |
| 09:02.59 | AlgorithmicContr | whatever |
| 09:03.05 | nab | :P |
| 09:03.06 | XorA | actually I think storm is a bad example as AFAIK it exploits problems fixed years ago, just lazy/stupid people dont upgrade |
| 09:03.25 | XorA | you can never secure against stupidity |
| 09:03.25 | raboof | yeah, that could happen to OSS just as easily |
| 09:03.31 | nab | XorA: I think its a great example of the bunking the security through obsecurity case |
| 09:03.46 | raboof | though arguably most linux distro's make it easier to keep up-to-date, and you don't have to shell out major $$$ for each bigger update :) |
| 09:04.16 | nab | Well, throwing every bit of code you receive over the net into hardware and hitting the instruction pointer is an awful design |
| 09:04.38 | nab | which is what the windows platform likes to do) |
| 09:04.47 | nab | Weather it be from good guys, bad guys, or whoever |
| 09:05.05 | XorA | and I like my WinCE phone :-D |
| 09:05.30 | nab | Yes, someome please steer this conversation back into phones |
| 09:05.35 | nab | :-) |
| 09:05.55 | XorA | which means I need WinXP as linux doesnt have capability to store contacts |
| 09:06.00 | nab | Heh |
| 09:06.22 | nab | Well, Virtualization with Linux guests does make the Windows PC platform almost useable again. |
| 09:06.28 | nab | Along with cygwin |
| 09:06.35 | XorA | nab: oops, you spotted my virtualbox :-) |
| 09:06.38 | nab | But anyone who is staking their buisness on it.. |
| 09:06.46 | nab | As they soo "A fool and their money are soon parted" |
| 09:06.47 | nab | :-) |
| 09:06.53 | nab | s/soo/say |
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| 09:07.19 | raboof | depends on what kind of company you are I guess |
| 09:07.28 | nab | does storage work |
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| 09:07.51 | nab | So having a Linux VM export storage objects on Vmware from windos/mac/linux all works the same |
| 09:07.55 | XorA | when I was a sysadmin, I was working on converting most servers to linux, but leaving the exchange server for email/calendar |
| 09:07.58 | nab | eg: "Its all IP packets" |
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| 09:08.13 | nab | yeah, the marketing and sales folks like their iCAl stuff |
| 09:08.14 | nab | :-) |
| 09:08.44 | nab | Altough I have had no problem using Evolution with all of the folks using outlook |
| 09:08.54 | raboof | seriously, the outlook/exchange combo is pretty impressive |
| 09:09.28 | AlgorithmicContr | nab: I was only testing my argumentative skills . Taking a side that I knew was utter bullshit. I've been using Linux since I was 12 |
| 09:09.31 | nab | I honstly think that doing it all over the web with firefox is the way to go |
| 09:09.36 | raboof | good to see more activity in the mozilla calendar project again, i hope that'll catch on now |
| 09:09.39 | nab | That is what I would do *IF* I was the IT guy |
| 09:09.44 | nab | Or the CTO |
| 09:09.49 | AlgorithmicContr | ping nab |
| 09:09.52 | nab | has been close to both |
| 09:10.03 | nab | AlgorithmicContr: Great! |
| 09:10.15 | nab | I think you definately got some good reponses. :-) |
| 09:10.28 | nab | And just a *little* bit of razzing |
| 09:10.33 | raboof | ;) |
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| 09:13.09 | AVee | Hmmm, those of you stuck with Windows where they want linux (like me @ work) should take a look at this: http://www.andlinux.org/ |
| 09:13.36 | AVee | Less hassle then VMWare, better then Cygwin :) |
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| 09:17.02 | nab | notes that Nintendo's entire devel platform is in Cygwin/win32 |
| 09:17.18 | nab | hopes there are no Nintendo lawyers in attendence this morning |
| 09:17.18 | nab | :-) |
| 09:17.23 | woglinde | nab intressting |
| 09:17.28 | woglinde | *g* |
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| 09:17.35 | nab | Not if you have to port system software to it |
| 09:17.36 | nab | :P |
| 09:17.58 | woglinde | hehe |
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| 09:47.15 | kunal | hi all |
| 09:47.25 | kunal | i want to join the openmoko |
| 09:47.28 | kunal | as a developer |
| 09:47.33 | kunal | what is the good starting point |
| 09:47.41 | kunal | is there any emulator platform? |
| 09:47.49 | mickeyl | check the wiki, download QEmu, and play a bit |
| 09:47.53 | kunal | and is freerunner meant to be a development platform |
| 09:47.54 | kunal | ok |
| 09:48.00 | kunal | thanks |
| 09:49.16 | raboof | i noticed the emulated platform is pretty slow (though the phone will be faster), are there any alternatives? |
| 09:49.23 | mickeyl | yes, freerunner is a development platform. it'll take a while to be a day-to-day phone |
| 09:49.24 | raboof | didn't seem like a really attractive development platform |
| 09:49.33 | mickeyl | people usually code on x86 |
| 09:49.45 | kunal | i see |
| 09:49.46 | mickeyl | and only run in the emulator if you need the full environment or some ARM specifics |
| 09:49.54 | mickeyl | or some hardware stuff |
| 09:49.58 | raboof | yeah |
| 09:50.02 | kunal | i see |
| 09:50.03 | mickeyl | i even code gsm on PC using the Neo as a modem |
| 09:50.12 | mickeyl | with serial port forwarding over usbnet |
| 09:56.48 | ScaredyCat | *blink* |
| 09:58.16 | mickeyl | once you get the init sequence right, it works like a charm |
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| 10:07.04 | raboof | so most of the Openmoko software also builds on normal i386 x11? |
| 10:07.20 | woglinde | raboof yes |
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| 10:15.01 | teprrr | hmm, ScaredyCat, can you point me to your openmoko builds? looks like my system can't compile the devel image :/ |
| 10:15.17 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/ |
| 10:15.23 | ScaredyCat | OM2007.2 dir |
| 10:15.42 | ScaredyCat | "can't" compile or you have a problem |
| 10:15.43 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 10:16.12 | teprrr | ah, thanks |
| 10:16.44 | teprrr | ScaredyCat, having problems in a check in xserver-kdrive.. configure script fails when checking some file which can't be checked when cross-compiling |
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| 10:18.03 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
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| 10:28.00 | zedstar | my build borked at xserver-kdrive also |
| 10:29.06 | woglinde | hm the solution was pasted here |
| 10:29.14 | woglinde | try to look at the irc-bot logs |
| 10:29.19 | woglinde | I cant remeber it |
| 10:29.20 | woglinde | *g* |
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| 10:31.31 | zedstar | will do when i feel energetic |
| 10:32.43 | teprrr | [01:19:58] < mmontour> saleh: edit line 120 of openembedded/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive-common.inc to: ac_cv_file__usr_share_sgml_X11_defs_ent=no" |
| 10:32.46 | teprrr | perhaps |
| 10:33.16 | woglinde | right |
| 10:34.21 | zedstar | cool |
| 10:35.48 | teprrr | though umh, at least I have that line there already |
| 10:37.02 | zedstar | ill have a look at mine in a minute and see |
| 10:37.33 | teprrr | well, run make update and so on.. perhaps it was changed by that :P |
| 10:39.49 | teprrr | seems to compile fine now, yay \o |
| 10:40.24 | zedstar | mine line was wrong |
| 10:41.19 | zedstar | but yeh usually fixes itself if patient |
| 10:41.50 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r17 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: mokomakefile: Added the setup-machine-freerunner target |
| 10:42.23 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: do you build om-gta02 images with all your extras? |
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| 10:45.34 | ScaredyCat | no, I suppose I could.. but hte 'market' is limited :) |
| 10:46.25 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: I can test it for you ;-) |
| 10:47.44 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 10:47.57 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:52.09 | ScaredyCat | you could just send me your 02 and I'll test it ;) |
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| 11:00.45 | kunal | any idea if we need to register to get the free-runner |
| 11:00.49 | kunal | i guess it will be available in limited quantity |
| 11:00.51 | kunal | and might get sold off |
| 11:00.53 | kunal | so any pre-booking sort of thing |
| 11:00.55 | kunal | ? |
| 11:02.36 | SpeedEvil | Not as far as has been announced. |
| 11:05.02 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: wouldn't be any good to you - it's an 850MHz GTA02 in a 900MHz country at the moment ... |
| 11:05.28 | ScaredyCat | I'd risk it :P |
| 11:09.24 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: I'm adding qtopia-x11-image support to mokomakefile too |
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| 11:09.37 | ScaredyCat | good stuff... |
| 11:09.48 | ScaredyCat | what about the moko underground too |
| 11:09.56 | teprrr | btw, how's the qtopia version running on gta01? |
| 11:10.03 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: oh, how do I build that? |
| 11:10.05 | teprrr | has there been any improvements since the christmas or so? |
| 11:10.21 | ScaredyCat | bitbake moko-underground |
| 11:10.46 | teprrr | what's in the underground? |
| 11:10.57 | ScaredyCat | bitbake moko-underground-image |
| 11:11.03 | teprrr | (sorry for asking way too many (dumb) questions:) |
| 11:11.13 | ScaredyCat | it's a python ui |
| 11:11.22 | ScaredyCat | and a new gsm mux |
| 11:11.39 | ScaredyCat | it's cool, but not really ready |
| 11:11.54 | rwhitby | is it intentionally moko- vs openmoko- ? |
| 11:11.55 | teprrr | python ui for what parts? |
| 11:12.08 | teprrr | for the whole gui stuff? |
| 11:13.07 | rwhitby | adds a moko-underground-image target to mokomakefile ... |
| 11:13.15 | rwhitby | "make underground" |
| 11:14.21 | patoh | hehe |
| 11:14.46 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r18 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Added openmoko-qtopia-x11-image and moko-underground-image |
| 11:14.55 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: all ready for your buildhost |
| 11:15.22 | rwhitby | make setup-machine-neo all ; make setup-machine-freerunner all |
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| 11:16.02 | rwhitby | I guess setup-machine-neo should be setup-machine-ne1973 now |
| 11:16.15 | rwhitby | -neo1973 even |
| 11:16.37 | rwhitby | neo is the name of the class of devices, right? neo 1973 and neo freerunner ? |
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| 11:18.48 | ScaredyCat | k, just building atm, will try shortly |
| 11:19.14 | ScaredyCat | errm isn't neo the 01 and freerunner the 02 |
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| 11:22.27 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it 'neo freerunner' is not a term used |
| 11:24.25 | SpeedEvil | Just freerunner |
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| 11:38.34 | teprrr | ahh, got finally everything compiled |
| 11:38.42 | teprrr | but mkfs.jffs2 crashes :) |
| 11:38.58 | teprrr | I recall I had to modify it last time by taking out some check from there to make it work |
| 11:39.37 | teprrr | mkfs.jffs2: Unknown compressor name lzo |
| 11:39.40 | teprrr | aw. hmh |
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| 11:42.14 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: the wiki says "Neo Freerunner" everywhere: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 11:42.29 | SpeedEvil | Meh. |
| 11:42.33 | SpeedEvil | changes. |
| 11:42.39 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 11:43.39 | teprrr | nah, that wasn't the problem.. it gets aborted signal.. :P |
| 11:43.56 | teprrr | when free()ing the output buffer of compressor.. |
| 11:53.58 | XorA | laughs at the iPhone getting sledge hammered |
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| 12:11.35 | rwhitby | XorA: url? |
| 12:12.16 | cyrilRomain | rwhitby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3asMSrWews |
| 12:12.20 | XorA | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/07/iphone_asassination/ |
| 12:16.15 | SpeedEvil | 'someone stole my phone'. <blend> 'Someone stole my phone' <hammer> 'Someone stole my phone' <deep-fat-fryer> |
| 12:16.25 | SpeedEvil | wonders when insurance companies'd catch on. |
| 12:16.28 | patoh | someone has used a deep-fat-fryer? |
| 12:16.47 | SpeedEvil | I don't know. |
| 12:16.48 | patoh | I have seen a deep fried Nokia 6300, very entertaining all round |
| 12:17.07 | patoh | to bad it was my phone and I had to clean the vat (fryer) after it fell in :( |
| 12:17.13 | patoh | was not happy |
| 12:17.20 | SpeedEvil | was it hot? |
| 12:17.58 | patoh | when it went in, it was 178 degrees |
| 12:18.06 | patoh | (nugget vat at maccas) |
| 12:18.11 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 12:18.13 | patoh | when I got it out, on a bit was left :( |
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| 12:18.46 | spyre | patoh: Cleaning fryers reminds me..a friend of mine (for some reason I still don't understand) never let me use his deep frier to fry an ice cream ;) |
| 12:19.08 | SpeedEvil | You've got to batter them first I think. |
| 12:22.48 | SpeedEvil | (the ice-cream, not the people you want to use fat-friers of) |
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| 12:23.08 | patoh | spyre: you want to use vegi oil with ice cream, not shortening |
| 12:23.31 | patoh | and remember kids, no ice in the fryers |
| 12:23.33 | patoh | fire will follow |
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| 12:32.27 | spyre | patoh: maybe that was the reason I was never allowed to put ice cream in it ;) |
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| 12:34.23 | SpeedEvil | patoh: not strictly true - it's safe with batter. |
| 12:35.06 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all |
| 12:35.45 | spyre | SpeedEvil: its a lot more exciting not to use it, especially if you don't have to clean it :) |
| 12:37.01 | [AD]Turbo | hi all |
| 12:39.31 | patoh | SpeedEvil: as if anyone uses batter :P |
| 12:39.40 | patoh | spyre: ice cream does not make it bubble, your safe ;) |
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| 12:41.45 | spyre | :) |
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| 12:55.07 | ScaredyCat | hrrrm,.... dfu-util seems to be erroring out |
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| 13:08.54 | ScaredyCat | fecking uer error... |
| 13:08.56 | ScaredyCat | user |
| 13:08.59 | ScaredyCat | sighs |
| 13:11.53 | XorA | heh heh |
| 13:12.49 | XorA | More tea needed error! |
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| 13:13.57 | rwhitby | ok, so openmoko-qtopia-image doesn't build for gta01. |
| 13:14.11 | rwhitby | I wonder if openmoko-qtopia-x11-image builds for gta01. |
| 13:14.24 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 13:14.27 | rwhitby | oops, I meant openmoko-qtopia-image doesn't build for gta02 |
| 13:16.49 | XorA | rwhitby: I fixed that this morning |
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| 13:19.16 | ScaredyCat | 'fixed' |
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| 14:31.01 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: will that bugger up my 01 building ? |
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| 14:34.21 | ScaredyCat | mn, read the makefile, see hat you are doing |
| 14:34.23 | ScaredyCat | nm |
| 14:34.34 | thresh | why oh why mtn checkout is sooooo slow |
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| 14:40.45 | ScaredyCat | mmm.... shouldn't the linux-openmoko be called something that's machine specific? |
| 14:40.56 | ScaredyCat | eg linux-openmoko-gta01-.... |
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| 14:41.45 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: not really, its only one config file different |
| 14:41.59 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: the packages are machine architecture limited |
| 14:42.05 | ScaredyCat | how different are they 2 defconfigs? |
| 14:42.16 | ScaredyCat | s/they/the/ |
| 14:42.19 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: a couple of lines |
| 14:42.28 | ScaredyCat | unimportant ones? |
| 14:42.45 | XorA|gone | very important ones :-D |
| 14:42.53 | ScaredyCat | ie installing an o2 on an 01 .. |
| 14:42.55 | XorA|gone | which serial port is which |
| 14:43.15 | ScaredyCat | right, so they should be differentiated then |
| 14:43.22 | XorA|gone | anyway time for me to really leave |
| 14:44.19 | ScaredyCat | slaps XorA|gone |
| 14:45.18 | ScaredyCat | surely that's just a ${MACHINE} added |
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| 15:49.33 | CM | ScaredyCat: How's things going? |
| 15:53.44 | ScaredyCat | lo CM... |
| 15:53.46 | ScaredyCat | not so bad I suppose... |
| 15:53.48 | ScaredyCat | you? |
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| 15:58.43 | CM | ScaredyCat: Somewhat crappy |
| 15:58.49 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 15:58.53 | CM | the mb of my computer gave up after 4 years |
| 15:59.00 | CM | So no computer at home :( |
| 15:59.16 | ScaredyCat | ! |
| 15:59.16 | CM | Ordered new parts, they were out of the stuff I wanted |
| 15:59.23 | CM | I'll get it tomorrow |
| 15:59.33 | ScaredyCat | well, at least that's something :) |
| 15:59.36 | CM | And no ssh out from work |
| 15:59.50 | ScaredyCat | sslexplorer |
| 15:59.51 | ScaredyCat | !! |
| 15:59.56 | ScaredyCat | use that |
| 16:00.06 | ScaredyCat | ssh over ssl |
| 16:00.15 | CM | ScaredyCat: Yes, but where can I run it? |
| 16:00.25 | ScaredyCat | on your box at home |
| 16:00.39 | CM | Yes, but I don't have it yet;) |
| 16:01.27 | ScaredyCat | yes.. but you don;t need ssh now then do you ... |
| 16:01.44 | ScaredyCat | unless you have another box out in the ether... |
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| 16:01.48 | CM | Soon I'll have a nice Core2Duo 3GHz and 4gb ram to build stuff with |
| 16:01.50 | ScaredyCat | then run slexplorer on that |
| 16:01.56 | ScaredyCat | oooh sweet |
| 16:02.07 | ScaredyCat | 64 bit again? |
| 16:02.08 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 16:02.13 | CM | I do have access to a few more boxes, but not sure what I can run on them |
| 16:02.30 | CM | Naa... I'll go back to 32 now to fully enjoy the 4 gb ram.. |
| 16:02.56 | CM | It can handle 8gb, and ram is dirt cheap so I might add two more sticks later |
| 16:03.15 | ScaredyCat | AFAIR you hade more problems with 64 bit than anything |
| 16:03.22 | CM | *nod* |
| 16:03.39 | CM | But it worked pretty nicely just before the whole computer gave up :D |
| 16:04.12 | CM | I'll keep my old sata drives though, even if a new raptor would be nice to have |
| 16:04.54 | CM | No word of the FreeRunner sale yet? |
| 16:05.36 | ScaredyCat | no.. couple of weeks from now I guess... |
| 16:07.07 | cl0s | :( |
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| 16:09.32 | CM | Latest comment from Steve on May 4th: "After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit the yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So, I'd put the window at May 9 to may 16th." |
| 16:10.10 | CM | Oh well, need to get gps working on my gta01 first :) |
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| 16:12.20 | ScaredyCat | points @ /me images :) |
| 16:13.37 | CM | Yeah, saw that post. Great work! |
| 16:14.22 | CM | But I can't remember if i have that ipk on the card, and usb- or bluetooth networking didn't work. Need to fix that too |
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| 16:22.51 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03marcin.slusarz * r891456227881 10/fs/jfs/ (jfs_dmap.c jfs_imap.c jfs_xtree.c): jfs: le*_add_cpu conversion |
| 16:22.52 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03davem * rd9b2b2a27721 10/ (34 files in 13 dirs): [LIB]: Make PowerPC LMB code generic so sparc64 can use it too. |
| 16:22.52 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03davem * reea89e13a9c6 10/lib/lmb.c: [LMB]: Fix bug in __lmb_alloc_base(). |
| 16:22.53 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03galak * r27e6672bb991 10/lib/lmb.c: [LMB]: Fix initial lmb add region with a non-zero base |
| 16:22.55 | ScaredyCat | usb broken? |
| 16:22.57 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03becky.bruce * re5f270954364 10/ (include/linux/lmb.h lib/lmb.c): [LMB]: Make lmb support large physical addressing |
| 16:23.00 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03npiggin * r278525963169 10/fs/nfs/write.c: nfs: use GFP_NOFS preloads for radix-tree insertion |
| 16:23.03 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * rcbc20059259e 10/ (include/linux/sunrpc/clnt.h net/sunrpc/clnt.c): SUNRPC: Declare as const the rpc_message arguments to rpc_call_sync/async |
| 16:23.06 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03kyungmin.park * r66a10506d632 10/drivers/mtd/onenand/onenand_base.c: [MTD] [OneNAND] Fix unlock all in Double Density Package (DDP) |
| 16:23.09 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03galak * r74b20dad1c4c 10/lib/lmb.c: [LMB]: Fix lmb_add_region if region should be added at the head |
| 16:23.12 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03seto.hidetoshi * rb64f34cdfe5b 10/ (12 files in 4 dirs): [IA64] VIRT_CPU_ACCOUNTING (accurate cpu time accounting) |
| 16:23.15 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03david-b * r1071695f17da 10/drivers/acpi/glue.c: ACPI: crosslink ACPI and "real" device nodes |
| 16:23.26 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03dwmw2 * rb28ba9fa0154 10/fs/jffs2/fs.c: [JFFS2] Set i_blocks when truncating files |
| 16:23.28 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03dwmw2 * rdd919660aacd 10/fs/jffs2/fs.c: [JFFS2] Use ALLOC_DELETION priority for truncation to zero length |
| 16:23.31 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * r4b5621f6b127 10/fs/nfs/write.c: NFS: Fix an f_mode/f_flags confusion in fs/nfs/write.c |
| 16:23.34 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * r383ba7193851 10/fs/nfs/ (direct.c inode.c read.c write.c): NFS: Fix a deadlock with lazy umount |
| 16:23.37 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * r32bfb5c0f495 10/ (include/linux/sunrpc/sched.h net/sunrpc/sched.c): SUNRPC: Allow the rpc_release() callback to be run on another workqueue |
| 16:23.40 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * r5746006f1d17 10/fs/nfs/ (inode.c internal.h): NFS: Add an nfsiod workqueue |
| 16:23.43 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * r101070ca2fe6 10/fs/nfs/ (direct.c nfs4proc.c read.c write.c): NFS: Ensure that the asynchronous RPC calls complete on nfsiod. |
| 16:23.49 | Qwell | ^ why we stopped using CIA... |
| 16:23.56 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * rfde95c7554aa 10/net/sunrpc/ (sched.c xprt.c): SUNRPC: Clean up rpc_run_timer() |
| 16:23.59 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * r96ef13b28393 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): SUNRPC: Add a new helper rpc_wake_up_queued_task() |
| 16:24.02 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * rfda139393803 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): SUNRPC: Convert users of rpc_wake_up_task to use rpc_wake_up_queued_task |
| 16:24.05 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * r5d00837b9034 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): SUNRPC: Run rpc timeout functions as callbacks instead of in softirqs |
| 16:24.08 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03paulus * rf8303dd3db57 10/ (34 files in 13 dirs): Merge master.kernel.org:/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/davem/lmb-2.6 |
| 16:24.11 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03pbadari * rf8c8803bda4d 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [POWERPC] Add code for removing HPTEs for parts of the linear mapping |
| 16:24.24 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03dale * r445857e0fc16 10/arch/ (powerpc/kernel/head_32.S ppc/kernel/head.S): [POWERPC] Remove dead code at KernelAltiVec |
| 16:24.27 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03julia * r4217c7b529af 10/arch/ppc/8xx_io/commproc.c: [POWERPC] Use FIELD_SIZEOF in arch/ppc |
| 16:24.30 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * rd9d1063d47cb 10/arch/powerpc/sysdev/mpic.c: [POWERPC] mpic: Make sparse happy |
| 16:24.33 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03avorontsov * r50530378161f 10/arch/powerpc/platforms/8xx/m8xx_setup.c: [POWERPC] 8xx: Timebase frequency should not depend on bus-frequency |
| 16:24.36 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03benh * r6a2d322e4b81 10/include/asm-powerpc/cputhreads.h: [POWERPC] Fix thinko in cpu_thread_mask_to_cores() |
| 16:24.39 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03vitja.makarov * r8b5f79f9d7ee 10/arch/blackfin/ (Kconfig kernel/Makefile kernel/process.c kernel/time-ts.c): [Blackfin] arch: initial generic time and clock sources |
| 16:24.50 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03vapier.adi * rb4e2d18f73e1 10/arch/blackfin/configs/ (4 files): [Blackfin] arch: add board bluetechnix kernel defconfigs to kernel |
| 16:24.53 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03vapier.adi * r1307a6513096 10/arch/blackfin/configs/ (12 files): [Blackfin] arch: turn generic time on by default |
| 16:24.56 | CIA-43 | (105 lines omitted) |
| 16:24.58 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03den * r9b0f976f27f0 10/ (11 files in 4 dirs): [INET]: Remove struct net_proto_family* from _init calls. |
| 16:25.01 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03den * ra5710d658286 10/ (include/net/icmp.h net/ipv4/af_inet.c net/ipv4/icmp.c): [ICMP]: Add return code to icmp_init. |
| 16:25.04 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03den * r1e3cf6834e7d 10/net/ipv4/icmp.c: [ICMP]: Optimize icmp_socket usage. |
| 16:25.06 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03den * rb7e729c4b477 10/net/ (ipv4/icmp.c ipv6/icmp.c): [ICMP]: Store sock rather than socket for ICMP flow control. |
| 16:25.11 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03den * r405666db84b9 10/net/ (ipv4/icmp.c ipv6/icmp.c): [ICMP]: Pass proper ICMP socket into icmp(v6)_xmit_(un)lock. |
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| 16:25.22 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03den * r79c911595390 10/net/ (ipv4/icmp.c ipv6/icmp.c): [ICMP]: Allocate data for __icmp(v6)_sk dynamically. |
| 16:25.25 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03den * r9dfbec1fb2be 10/net/netlink/af_netlink.c: [NETLINK]: No need for a separate __netlink_release call. |
| 16:25.28 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03den * redf020870200 10/ (include/net/sock.h net/core/sock.c net/netlink/af_netlink.c): [NET]: Make netlink_kernel_release publically available as sk_release_kernel. |
| 16:25.31 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03den * r5c8cafd65e14 10/net/ (ipv4/icmp.c ipv6/icmp.c): [NETNS]: icmp(v6)_sk should not pin a namespace. |
| 16:25.34 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03den * r4a6ad7a141cb 10/ (include/net/netns/ipv4.h net/ipv4/icmp.c): [NETNS]: Make icmp_sk per namespace. |
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| 16:25.39 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03den * r98c6d1b261e7 10/ (include/net/netns/ipv6.h net/ipv6/icmp.c): [NETNS]: Make icmpv6_sk per namespace. |
| 16:25.50 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03davem * r45af1754bc09 10/net/core/sock.c: [NET]: sk_release_kernel needs to be exported to modules |
| 16:25.53 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03xemul * r9a8c09e73bf6 10/net/atm/ (lec.c proc.c): [ATM]: Use seq_open/release_privade instead of manual manipulations. |
| 16:25.56 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03xemul * rc20932d2c9ba 10/net/ (appletalk/aarp.c decnet/af_decnet.c): [ATALK/DECNET]: Use seq_open_private in appletalk and decnet. |
| 16:25.59 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03xemul * r665bba10872f 10/net/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [NETFILTER/RXRPC]: Don't use seq_release_private where inappropriate. |
| 16:26.02 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03nhorman * r58fbbed4fbc0 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [SCTP]: extend exported data in /proc/net/sctp/assoc |
| 16:26.07 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03den * rfd80eb942ad9 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): [INET]: Remove struct dst_entry *dst from request_sock_ops.rtx_syn_ack. |
| 16:26.22 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03xemul * r95a363582b69 10/net/core/dev_mcast.c: [NET]: Use existing device list walker for /proc/dev_mcast. |
| 16:26.25 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ilpo.jarvinen * ra90bcbd651b4 10/include/net/sctp/sctp.h: [SCTP]: Kill unused static inline sctp_sysctl_jiffies_ms |
| 16:26.28 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ilpo.jarvinen * r03a64c93b68e 10/include/net/llc_if.h: [LLC]: Kill static inline llc_addrany |
| 16:26.31 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03tomas.winkler * rb22052569657 10/net/mac80211/ieee80211_sta.c: mac80211: set assoc flag to bss_conf |
| 16:26.34 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * r7d185b8bb17e 10/net/mac80211/tx.c: mac80211: allow sending multicast frames through virtual ports |
| 16:26.39 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03hs4233 * r1afc09ab7c62 10/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/ (cmd.c cmdresp.c): libertas: trim overly long debug statement |
| 16:26.44 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03hs4233 * r52507c20870d 10/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/ (assoc.c cmdresp.c join.c): libertas: make association debug output nicer |
| 16:27.08 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03hs4233 * re226868ec3f3 10/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/ (assoc.c assoc.h main.c): libertas: make lbs_sync_channel() static |
| 16:27.08 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03hs4233 * r23ff50361f23 10/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/ (join.c join.h scan.c): libertas: make lbs_unset_basic_rate_flags() static |
| 16:27.09 | CIA-43 | (114 lines omitted) |
| 16:27.09 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r31562e802a72 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (8 files): rt2x00: Cleanup mode registration |
| 16:27.09 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r47b10cd13758 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (rt2500usb.c rt2x00usb.c rt2x00usb.h rt73usb.c): rt2x00: Remove async vendor request calls from rt2x00usb |
| 16:27.13 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03gwingerde * r47ac26833663 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt2x00dev.c: rt2x00: Fix hw mode registration with mac80211. |
| 16:27.16 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ivdoorn * rce359f90d3c6 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt61pci.h: rt2x00: Fix MAC address defines in rt61pci |
| 16:27.27 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r2533d5f800d3 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt2x00.h: rt2x00: Release rt2x00 2.1.2 |
| 16:27.30 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03tomas.winkler * rb46b4ee03464 10/net/wireless/reg.c: wireless: update US regulatory domain |
| 16:27.33 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 0312o3l * r013b73faff10 10/drivers/net/wireless/strip.c: wireless: Convert to list_for_each_entry_rcu() |
| 16:27.38 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * rd2259243a198 10/net/mac80211/ (rx.c sta_info.c tx.c): mac80211: invoke set_tim() callback after setting own TIM info |
| 16:27.42 | SuN | Wee! |
| 16:27.43 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * r836341a70471 10/net/mac80211/ (debugfs_sta.c rx.c sta_info.c sta_info.h tx.c): mac80211: remove sta TIM flag, fix expiry TIM handling |
| 16:27.46 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * r004c872e78d4 10/net/mac80211/ (ieee80211_i.h rx.c sta_info.c sta_info.h tx.c): mac80211: consolidate TIM handling code |
| 16:27.55 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03mb * rffc7689ddae5 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): ssb: Add support for 8bit register access |
| 16:27.57 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * re63e3fa7bd4d 10/drivers/net/wireless/adm8211.c: adm8211: fix sparse warnings |
| 16:28.00 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * rc2976ab00569 10/drivers/net/wireless/p54common.c: p54: fix sparse warnings |
| 16:28.04 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03proski * rd97cf01576e1 10/net/mac80211/ieee80211_sta.c: mac80211: fix incorrect use of CONFIG_MAC80211_IBSS_DEBUG |
| 16:28.11 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * rd46e144b65bf 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): mac80211: rework TX filtered frame code |
| 16:28.14 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * r43ba7e958f2c 10/net/mac80211/ (cfg.c ieee80211.c ieee80211_sta.c sta_info.c sta_info.h): mac80211: atomically check whether STA exists already |
| 16:28.19 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * r665e8aafb4e0 10/net/mac80211/ieee80211.c: mac80211: Disallow concurrent IBSS/STA mode interfaces |
| 16:28.26 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * rf3af89d1aaaf 10/net/mac80211/debugfs_sta.c: mac80211: fix debugfs_sta print_mac() warning |
| 16:28.29 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * rfba4a1e63723 10/net/mac80211/ieee80211_sta.c: mac80211: fix IBSS code |
| 16:28.33 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03aurelien * r28de57d1a9eb 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ssb: Add CHIPCO IRQ access functions |
| 16:28.39 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03mb * r8f300ae5b819 10/drivers/net/wireless/b43legacy/b43legacy.h: b43legacy: Fix nondebug build |
| 16:28.39 | CM | What is this, some big merge, or just cia waking up again |
| 16:28.42 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * r9a89c839f793 10/drivers/net/wireless/adm8211.c: adm8211: fix cfg80211 band API conversion |
| 16:28.45 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03florian.fainelli * r58e307398317 10/drivers/net/wireless/p54common.c: p54: print unknown eeprom fields |
| 16:28.50 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r1497074ad790 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt61pci.c: rt2x00: Check for 5GHz band in link tuner |
| 16:28.57 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ivdoorn * re6084239d39a 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt2x00.h: rt2x00: Release rt2x00 2.1.3 |
| 16:29.00 | CIA-43 | (110 lines omitted) |
| 16:29.02 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * r38968d096b9f 10/drivers/net/wireless/b43/main.c: b43: verify sta_notify mac80211 callback |
| 16:29.02 | kdean06 | Geeze. |
| 16:29.09 | ScaredyCat | well, they might have actually done dsome work :) |
| 16:29.11 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * r96c46546e282 10/net/mac80211/key.c: mac80211: always insert key into list |
| 16:29.13 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03luisca * r37659ff8e1d8 10/net/mac80211/ (Kconfig mesh_hwmp.c mesh_plink.c): mac80211: fix mesh endianness sparse warnings and unmark it as broken |
| 16:29.16 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03luisca * r1d1b535969ca 10/net/mac80211/ieee80211_sta.c: mac80211: fix incorrect parenthesis |
| 16:29.21 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03marcin.slusarz * r891456227881 10/fs/jfs/ (jfs_dmap.c jfs_imap.c jfs_xtree.c): jfs: le*_add_cpu conversion |
| 16:29.21 | ScaredyCat | I suspect catchup |
| 16:29.30 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03luisca * r3b091cd49419 10/net/mac80211/mesh.c: mac80211: move comment to better location |
| 16:29.33 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03davem * rd9b2b2a27721 10/ (34 files in 13 dirs): [LIB]: Make PowerPC LMB code generic so sparc64 can use it too. |
| 16:29.40 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03luisca * r4f5d4c4da89c 10/net/mac80211/ieee80211_sta.c: mac80211: breakdown mesh network attributes in different extra fields for wext |
| 16:29.43 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03davem * reea89e13a9c6 10/lib/lmb.c: [LMB]: Fix bug in __lmb_alloc_base(). |
| 16:29.45 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03luisca * raa2b5928433c 10/net/mac80211/ (mesh_hwmp.c mesh_plink.c): mac80211: clean up use of endianness conversion functions |
| 16:29.47 | CM | But the names are from non-om people I guess |
| 16:29.50 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03luisca * r89a1ad6990d8 10/net/mac80211/mesh_pathtbl.c: mac80211: delete mesh_path timer on mesh_path removal |
| 16:29.55 | stefan_schmidt | davem suggest to me that it is an merge with upstrem kernel |
| 16:29.57 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03luisca * rcfa22c716f65 10/net/mac80211/ (cfg.c mesh.h mesh_hwmp.c mesh_pathtbl.c): mac80211: always force mesh_path deletions |
| 16:30.00 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03luisca * rb4e08ea141e6 10/net/mac80211/ (6 files): mac80211: add PLINK_ prefix and kernel doc to enum plink_state |
| 16:30.04 | stefan_schmidt | suggests |
| 16:30.06 | CM | Exactly my thought :) |
| 16:30.09 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03luisca * ra00de5d08b4b 10/net/mac80211/mesh_hwmp.c: mac80211: path IE fields macros, fix alignment problems and clean up |
| 16:30.12 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03galak * r27e6672bb991 10/lib/lmb.c: [LMB]: Fix initial lmb add region with a non-zero base |
| 16:30.15 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03luisca * r2a8ca29a88e3 10/net/mac80211/ (mesh_pathtbl.c sta_info.c): mac80211: fix mesh_path and sta_info get_by_idx functions |
| 16:30.18 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03becky.bruce * re5f270954364 10/ (include/linux/lmb.h lib/lmb.c): [LMB]: Make lmb support large physical addressing |
| 16:30.25 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * r69d3b6f49154 10/net/mac80211/ieee80211_sta.c: mac80211: fix hardware scan completion |
| 16:30.28 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03npiggin * r278525963169 10/fs/nfs/write.c: nfs: use GFP_NOFS preloads for radix-tree insertion |
| 16:30.33 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03mb * raab547ce0d14 10/ (11 files in 2 dirs): ssb: Add Gigabit Ethernet driver |
| 16:30.39 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * rcbc20059259e 10/ (include/linux/sunrpc/clnt.h net/sunrpc/clnt.c): SUNRPC: Declare as const the rpc_message arguments to rpc_call_sync/async |
| 16:30.42 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03tomas.winkler * r2acae16ee793 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (iwl-3945.h iwl-4965.h iwl3945-base.c iwl4965-base.c): iwlwifi: removing unused priv->config |
| 16:30.45 | CIA-43 | (168 lines omitted) |
| 16:30.47 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03bernds_cb1 * r00d205a1ce1a 10/arch/blackfin/kernel/cplb-mpu/cplbmgr.c: [Blackfin] arch: lose unnecessary dependency on CONFIG_BFIN_ICACHE for MPU |
| 16:30.54 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r2d1be5b0d171 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt73usb.c: rt2x00: Don't use uninitialized desc_len |
| 16:30.59 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03bernds_cb1 * r5d750b9e4f6c 10/arch/blackfin/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [Blackfin] arch: Remove the circular buffering mechanism for exceptions |
| 16:31.08 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03mattias.nissler * r2ae23854dc0a 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (rt2500usb.c rt73usb.c): rt2x00: Don't use unitialized rxdesc->size |
| 16:31.11 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03michael.hennerich * r1e78042c77dc 10/arch/blackfin/kernel/setup.c: [Blackfin] arch: take DDR DEVWD into consideration as well for BF548 |
| 16:31.14 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r3976ae6c2b09 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt2x00dev.c: rt2x00: Use skbdesc fields for descriptor initialization |
| 16:31.17 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r8af244ccb14a 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (rt2400pci.c rt2500pci.c rt2500usb.c rt61pci.c rt73usb.c): rt2x00: Only disable beaconing just before beacon update |
| 16:31.26 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03linux * rfd07e06380a1 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt2x00usb.c: rt2x00:correct rx packet length for USB devices |
| 16:31.30 | Vegar | err.. |
| 16:31.37 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03luis.f.correia * r61191fb272df 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (rt2500usb.c rt73usb.c): rt2x00: Fix trivial log message |
| 16:31.40 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r5f46c4d0537a 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (rt2x00debug.c rt2x00queue.c): rt2x00: Upgrade queue->lock to use irqsave |
| 16:31.43 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ivdoorn * ra7f3a06cbb63 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (Kconfig rt2x00.h rt2x00firmware.c rt61pci.c rt73usb.c): rt2x00: Move firmware checksumming to driver |
| 16:31.46 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03sonic.zhang * r2fb6cb41ecb3 10/arch/blackfin/Kconfig: [Blackfin] arch: Add a warning about the value of CLKIN. |
| 16:31.49 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ivdoorn * ra4fe07d91309 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (rt2400pci.c rt2500pci.c rt2500usb.c rt61pci.c rt73usb.c): rt2x00: Start bugging when rt2x00lib doesn't filter SW diversity |
| 16:31.49 | CM | How many merges was there in the latest kernel, 6000? |
| 16:31.56 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03michael.hennerich * r8e39df215c4b 10/include/asm-blackfin/mach-bf561/defBF561.h: [Blackfin] arch: Equalize include files: Add PLL_DIV Masks |
| 16:32.05 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ivdoorn * re4030a2f40a9 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt2x00mac.c: rt2x00: Check IEEE80211_TXCTL_SEND_AFTER_DTIM flag |
| 16:32.08 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03michael.hennerich * rfe44193c55e2 10/arch/blackfin/ (8 files in 4 dirs): [Blackfin] arch: Functional power management support: Remove broken cpu frequency scaling drivers |
| 16:32.11 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r728103794316 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (10 files): rt2x00: Rename config_preamble() to config_erp() |
| 16:32.14 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03michael.hennerich * re6c91b64dd6e 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [Blackfin] arch: Functional power management support: Add support for cpu frequency scaling |
| 16:32.21 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03vapier * r0c11700dbfaf 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [Blackfin] arch: add include/boot .gitignore files |
| 16:32.24 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03graf.yang * r7d01b475ab17 10/drivers/serial/bfin_5xx.c: Blackfin Serial Driver: Enable IR function when user application (irattach /dev/ttyBFx -s) call TIOCSETD ioctl with line discipline N_IRDA |
| 16:32.33 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03den * ra337499f660f 10/drivers/net/via-velocity.c: [IPV4]: Remove ifa != NULL check. |
| 16:32.35 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03den * r5811769c788e 10/net/atm/clip.c: [IPV4]: Remove check for ifa->ifa_dev != NULL. |
| 16:32.37 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03david-b * r3ee08aea72f4 10/drivers/clocksource/tcb_clksrc.c: tclib: Fix compile warnings |
| 16:32.40 | CIA-43 | (167 lines omitted) |
| 16:32.42 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03mohamed.abbas * r2c28b36275b5 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: iwlwifi: set rate_idx correctly from plcp |
| 16:32.49 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03chuck.lever * r2ca7754d4c96 10/fs/lockd/mon.c: lockd: Fix up incorrect RPC buffer size calculations. |
| 16:32.52 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03chuck.lever * r0490a54a00c1 10/ (fs/lockd/mon.c include/linux/lockd/sm_inter.h): lockd: introduce new function to encode private argument in SM_MON requests |
| 16:32.55 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03davem * ra25606c84585 10/ (14 files in 12 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/davem/net-2.6 |
| 16:33.04 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03peter.p.waskiewicz.jr * r82cc1a7a5687 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [NET]: Add per-connection option to set max TSO frame size |
| 16:33.07 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03dlezcano * rea82edf704f6 10/net/ipv6/mcast.c: [NETNS][IPV6] mcast - fix compilation warning when procfs is not compiled in |
| 16:33.10 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03dlezcano * ra91275eff43a 10/ (include/net/udp.h net/ipv4/udp.c): [NETNS][IPV6] udp - make proc handle the network namespace |
| 16:33.17 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03dlezcano * r8d9f1744cab5 10/net/ipv4/inet_timewait_sock.c: [NETNS][IPV6] tcp - assign the netns for timewait sockets |
| 16:33.20 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r406f2388cc1f 10/net/wireless/util.c: wireless: Fix WARN_ON() with ieee802.11b |
| 16:33.23 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03dlezcano * rf40c8174d3c2 10/ (include/net/tcp.h net/ipv4/tcp_ipv4.c): [NETNS][IPV4] tcp - make proc handle the network namespaces |
| 16:33.32 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03mcgrof * rd8ee398d183d 10/drivers/net/wireless/ (8 files in 2 dirs): ath5k: Port to new bitrate/channel API |
| 16:33.35 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03dlezcano * r0c96d8c50bff 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): [NETNS][IPV6] udp6 - make proc per namespace |
| 16:33.38 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03mcgrof * r400ec45a02b2 10/drivers/net/wireless/ath5k/ (ath5k.h base.c initvals.c phy.c): ath5k: Cleanup after API changes |
| 16:33.41 | zedstar | moon walks across the room |
| 16:33.45 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03dlezcano * r6f8b13bcb336 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [NETNS][IPV6] tcp6 - make proc per namespace |
| 16:33.48 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03mcgrof * ra3f4b914a03a 10/drivers/net/wireless/ath5k/base.c: ath5k: ath5k_copy_channels() was not setting the channel band |
| 16:33.51 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03shemminger * rb1153f29ee07 10/net/netlink/af_netlink.c: netlink: make socket filters work on netlink |
| 16:33.54 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03mcgrof * re9ddc0f25ce5 10/drivers/net/wireless/ (Kconfig ath5k/Kconfig ath5k/Makefile): ath5k: Use our own Kconfig file, we'll be expanding this shortly |
| 16:33.57 | ScaredyCat | moons the room |
| 16:34.03 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03xemul * r28518fc1701a 10/net/ipv4/ (tcp_ipv4.c udp.c): [NET]: NULL pointer dereference and other nasty things in /proc/net/(tcp|udp)[6] |
| 16:34.06 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03mcgrof * rb446197cc14e 10/drivers/net/wireless/ath5k/ (Kconfig Makefile base.c base.h debug.c debug.h): ath5k: Port debug.c over to the new band API and enable as build option |
| 16:34.15 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03mcgrof * r6844e63a9458 10/drivers/net/wireless/ath5k/base.c: ath5k: Use software encryption for now |
| 16:34.18 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03shemminger * r4cd9029d25f6 10/include/net/sock.h: socket: SOCK_DEBUG type checking |
| 16:34.20 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03mcgrof * re71c9fac3162 10/drivers/net/wireless/ath5k/phy.c: ath5k/phy.c: fix negative array index |
| 16:34.23 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03mcmanus * r539fae89bebd 10/net/ipv4/inet_connection_sock.c: [TCP]: TCP_DEFER_ACCEPT updates - defer timeout conflicts with max_thresh |
| 16:34.27 | CM | just moons CIA-43 |
| 16:34.32 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r70e2fed4ec14 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (rt2x00config.c rt2x00dev.c rt2x00lib.h rt2x00reg.h): rt2x00: Rate structure overhaul |
| 16:34.35 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ivdoorn * rf5507ce90be4 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (rt2500usb.c rt2500usb.h rt2x00.h rt2x00config.c rt2x00dev.c): rt2x00: Remove HWMODE_{A,B,G} |
| 16:34.42 | CIA-43 | (145 lines omitted) |
| 16:34.44 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03hs4233 * rc97329e21fc4 10/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/ (assoc.c cmd.c decl.h): libertas: fix scheduling while atomic bug in CMD_MAC_CONTROL |
| 16:34.45 | SpeedEvil | The only alternative thing I could come up with is something like 'blackfin? |
| 16:34.47 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ivdoorn * rce359f90d3c6 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt61pci.h: rt2x00: Fix MAC address defines in rt61pci |
| 16:34.48 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 16:34.50 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r2533d5f800d3 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt2x00.h: rt2x00: Release rt2x00 2.1.2 |
| 16:34.50 | SpeedEvil | blackfin? |
| 16:34.55 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03hs4233 * rc49c3b77c8c6 10/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/ (assoc.c cmd.c cmdresp.c dev.h hostcmd.h wext.c): libertas: convert GET_LOG to a direct command |
| 16:34.56 | *** join/#openmoko baze (n=baze@g227069005.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:34.58 | ScaredyCat | yeah, but you're only pretending.. |
| 16:35.02 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03tomas.winkler * rb46b4ee03464 10/net/wireless/reg.c: wireless: update US regulatory domain |
| 16:35.04 | ScaredyCat | is actually doing it |
| 16:35.05 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03hs4233 * rd4ff0ef635b2 10/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/ (cmd.c cmdresp.c decl.h if_cs.c main.c wext.c): libertas: misc power saving adjusts |
| 16:35.06 | SpeedEvil | Some of this doesn't seem neo related. |
| 16:35.12 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 0312o3l * r013b73faff10 10/drivers/net/wireless/strip.c: wireless: Convert to list_for_each_entry_rcu() |
| 16:35.15 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03hs4233 * re98a88dd33b7 10/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/ (10 files): libertas: remove lots of unused stuff |
| 16:35.15 | SpeedEvil | Is it simply confused? |
| 16:35.17 | CM | was some sun stuff before |
| 16:35.18 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03hs4233 * rff829ae01644 10/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/ (debugfs.c scan.c scan.h): libertas: store rssi as an u32 |
| 16:35.21 | CM | and powerpc |
| 16:35.23 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * rd2259243a198 10/net/mac80211/ (rx.c sta_info.c tx.c): mac80211: invoke set_tim() callback after setting own TIM info |
| 16:35.30 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * r836341a70471 10/net/mac80211/ (debugfs_sta.c rx.c sta_info.c sta_info.h tx.c): mac80211: remove sta TIM flag, fix expiry TIM handling |
| 16:35.33 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03reinette.chatre * r99f7d39bb020 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (iwl-3945-hw.h iwl-eeprom.h): iwlwifi: remove macros containing offsets from eeprom struct |
| 16:35.37 | SpeedEvil | Maybe there are a _lot_ of new models coming out soon :) |
| 16:35.40 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03assaf.krauss * r316c30d9dddc 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (iwl-4965.c iwl4965-base.c): iwlwifi: Re-ordering probe flow (4965) |
| 16:35.40 | CM | Huge whole kernel sync or? |
| 16:35.43 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * r004c872e78d4 10/net/mac80211/ (ieee80211_i.h rx.c sta_info.c sta_info.h tx.c): mac80211: consolidate TIM handling code |
| 16:35.48 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03assaf.krauss * r00acbc91354f 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (iwl-4965.c iwl-4965.h iwl-core.h iwl4965-base.c): iwlwifi: Packing all 4965 parameters |
| 16:35.55 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03assaf.krauss * r1d0a082d38de 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (iwl-core.c iwl-core.h iwl4965-base.c): iwlwifi: Probe Flow - Performing allocation in a separate function |
| 16:35.58 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03mb * rffc7689ddae5 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): ssb: Add support for 8bit register access |
| 16:36.00 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * re63e3fa7bd4d 10/drivers/net/wireless/adm8211.c: adm8211: fix sparse warnings |
| 16:36.07 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03assaf.krauss * rbf85ea4fbeca 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (7 files): iwlwifi: Probe Flow - Extracting hw and priv init |
| 16:36.08 | roh | muha |
| 16:36.10 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * rc2976ab00569 10/drivers/net/wireless/p54common.c: p54: fix sparse warnings |
| 16:36.14 | CIA-43 | (105 lines omitted) |
| 16:36.16 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03davem * rf89e6e383403 10/ (63 files in 9 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/linville/wireless-2.6.26 |
| 16:36.23 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03dlezcano * r7b4da53229bb 10/ (include/net/ip6_route.h net/ipv6/addrconf.c net/ipv6/route.c): [NETNS][IPV6] route6 - Pass the network namespace parameter to rt6_purge_dflt_routers |
| 16:36.26 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03davem * rdfe98e9214ce 10/ (135 files in 43 dirs): Merge branch 'net-2.6.26-netns-20080326' of git://git.linux-ipv6.org/gitroot/yoshfuji/linux-2.6-dev |
| 16:36.33 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03dlezcano * r5578689a4e3c 10/ (include/net/ip6_route.h net/ipv6/af_inet6.c net/ipv6/route.c): [NETNS][IPV6] route6 - make route6 per namespace |
| 16:36.36 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03kaber * r30c69fed7d94 10/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_CLUSTERIP.c: [NETFILTER]: ipt_CLUSTERIP: fix non-existant macro-name |
| 16:36.41 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03dlezcano * rbdb3289f739e 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [NETNS][IPV6] rt6_info - make rt6_info accessed as a pointer |
| 16:36.48 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03kaber * ref27559b70bd 10/include/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_tuple.h: [NETFILTER]: nf_conntrack: fix NF_CT_TUPLE_DUMP for IPv4 |
| 16:36.51 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03dlezcano * r8ed677896752 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [NETNS][IPV6] rt6_info - move rt6_info structure inside the namespace |
| 16:36.54 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03kaber * r1d9d752259ab 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [NETFILTER]: nf_conntrack_expect: constify nf_ct_expect_init arguments |
| 16:37.01 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03dlezcano * r9a7ec3a94d8d 10/net/ipv6/route.c: [NETNS][IPV6] route6 - dynamically allocate ip6_dst_ops |
| 16:37.04 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03kaber * r4bb119eab7b7 10/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_expect.c: [NETFILTER]: nf_conntrack_expect: show NF_CT_EXPECT_PERMANENT flag in /proc |
| 16:37.09 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03benjamin.thery * rf2fc6a54585a 10/ (include/net/netns/ipv6.h net/ipv6/route.c): [NETNS][IPV6] route6 - move ip6_dst_ops inside the network namespace |
| 16:37.16 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03kaber * r359b9ab614ab 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [NETFILTER]: nf_conntrack_expect: support inactive expectations |
| 16:37.19 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03benjamin.thery * r6891a346c387 10/ (include/net/netns/ipv6.h net/ipv6/route.c): [NETNS][IPV6] route6 - make garbage collection work with multiple network namespaces |
| 16:37.26 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03kaber * r6002f266b3e7 10/ (15 files in 3 dirs): [NETFILTER]: nf_conntrack: introduce expectation classes and policies |
| 16:37.29 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03kaber * rb8beedd25d39 10/include/ (linux/netfilter.h net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_tuple.h): [NETFILTER]: Add nf_inet_addr_cmp() |
| 16:37.34 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03dlezcano * r7019b78e1483 10/net/ipv6/route.c: [NETNS][IPV6] route6 - Make ip6_dst_gc simpler |
| 16:37.36 | ScaredyCat | suggests killing CIA-43 |
| 16:37.37 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03kaber * r3d244121d88c 10/net/ipv4/netfilter/nf_nat_sip.c: [NETFILTER]: nf_nat_sip: fix NAT setup order |
| 16:37.44 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03sha2 * r6b3d626321c1 10/net/ipv4/tcp_cubic.c: [TCP]: TCP cubic v2.2 |
| 16:37.46 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03kaber * rb1ec488b1fb3 10/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_sip.c: [NETFILTER]: nf_conntrack_sip: fix some off-by-ones |
| 16:37.49 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03olof * rafea3278f73c 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): pasemi_mac: Move RX/TX section enablement to dma_lib |
| 16:37.56 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03kaber * r2a6cfb22ae00 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [NETFILTER]: nf_conntrack_sip: adjust dptr and datalen after packet mangling |
| 16:37.59 | CIA-43 | (156 lines omitted) |
| 16:37.59 | CM | Is there a temporary/time limited /ignore? |
| 16:38.01 | josch | stabs CIA in the back |
| 16:38.03 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03luisca * r89a1ad6990d8 10/net/mac80211/mesh_pathtbl.c: mac80211: delete mesh_path timer on mesh_path removal |
| 16:38.06 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03xemul * r789e41e6f496 10/net/ipv4/icmp.c: [NETNS][ICMP]: Build fix for NET_NS=n case (dev->nd_net is omitted). |
| 16:38.06 | ScaredyCat | ~blame mickey|dinner |
| 16:38.07 | apt | ACTION blames mickey|dinner (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 16:38.09 | teprrr | hi, any ideas why mkfs.jffs2 crashes? http://pastebin.com/d604be1e |
| 16:38.11 | *** join/#openmoko florian (n=fuchs@217.146.132.69) |
| 16:38.13 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03yi.li 07mokopatches-tracking * r2e8d7965e69a 10/arch/blackfin/kernel/setup.c: [Blackfin] arch: add code to initialize globals declared in linux/bootmem.h: max_pfn, max_low_pfn, min_low_pfn. |
| 16:38.16 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03luisca * rcfa22c716f65 10/net/mac80211/ (cfg.c mesh.h mesh_hwmp.c mesh_pathtbl.c): mac80211: always force mesh_path deletions |
| 16:38.16 | SpeedEvil | Can someone kick it? |
| 16:38.22 | SpeedEvil | for a while. |
| 16:38.24 | josch | teprrr, certainly the wrong time to ask :P |
| 16:38.25 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03david * recc6cd73b7cc 10/ (15 files in 3 dirs): [POWERPC] Start removing linux,network-index in favour of aliases |
| 16:38.32 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03vapier.adi 07mokopatches-tracking * r793dc27b51b2 10/arch/blackfin/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [Blackfin] arch: conditionally enable flash resources since it requests the async memory bank |
| 16:38.35 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03sr * r464076a4b328 10/arch/powerpc/kernel/ (cpu_setup_44x.S cputable.c): [POWERPC] 4xx: Add AMCC 460EX/460GT support to cputable.c & cpu_setup_44x.S |
| 16:38.37 | roh | ScaredyCat sorry.. would do something.. but i do not have access to the cia account |
| 16:38.40 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03luisca * rb4e08ea141e6 10/net/mac80211/ (6 files): mac80211: add PLINK_ prefix and kernel doc to enum plink_state |
| 16:38.40 | mmontour | Hey apt, how about blaiming some other country for a while? What did Canada ever to do you? :) |
| 16:38.43 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03vapier.adi 07mokopatches-tracking * rf85c4abdbc24 10/arch/blackfin/kernel/bfin_gpio.c: [Blackfin] arch: dump the stack before printing out an error otherwise the stack dump is useless as it shows us tracing through printk |
| 16:38.49 | ScaredyCat | are you a chanop ? |
| 16:38.50 | teprrr | josch, ye.. hmm, someone changed the bot settings? :) |
| 16:38.51 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03luisca * ra00de5d08b4b 10/net/mac80211/mesh_hwmp.c: mac80211: path IE fields macros, fix alignment problems and clean up |
| 16:38.58 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03sr * r66e4b3341d72 10/arch/powerpc/platforms/44x/ (Kconfig Makefile canyonlands.c): [POWERPC] 4xx: Add AMCC Canyonlands 460EX eval board support to platforms/44x |
| 16:39.01 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03vapier.adi 07mokopatches-tracking * rd171c23327e2 10/arch/blackfin/kernel/bfin_gpio.c: [Blackfin] arch: fix up gpio code style -- no functional changes |
| 16:39.08 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03luisca * r2a8ca29a88e3 10/net/mac80211/ (mesh_pathtbl.c sta_info.c): mac80211: fix mesh_path and sta_info get_by_idx functions |
| 16:39.11 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03johannes * r69d3b6f49154 10/net/mac80211/ieee80211_sta.c: mac80211: fix hardware scan completion |
| 16:39.18 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03cooloney 07mokopatches-tracking * r81d9c7f27dd6 10/arch/blackfin/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [Blackfin] arch: add i2c board info struct and move to new-style i2c interface |
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| 16:39.25 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03sr * r8bc4a51d28b7 10/arch/powerpc/boot/dts/canyonlands.dts: [POWERPC] 4xx: Add Canyonlands DTS |
| 16:39.26 | CM | teprrr: Are you on gentoo? |
| 16:39.28 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03rgetz 07mokopatches-tracking * r9a62ca40fd79 10/arch/blackfin/kernel/traps.c: [Blackfin] arch: fix bug - when we crash, current is not valid |
| 16:39.31 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03mb * raab547ce0d14 10/ (11 files in 2 dirs): ssb: Add Gigabit Ethernet driver |
| 16:39.35 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03sr * r66b7e504c0e6 10/arch/powerpc/sysdev/ (ppc4xx_pci.c ppc4xx_pci.h): [POWERPC] 4xx: Add 460EX PCIe support to 4xx pci driver |
| 16:39.38 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03rgetz 07mokopatches-tracking * r904656cda10c 10/arch/blackfin/kernel/traps.c: [Blackfin] arch: fix bug - grab locks when not atomic |
| 16:39.43 | *** mode/#openmoko [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ |
| 16:39.45 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03tomas.winkler * r2acae16ee793 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (iwl-3945.h iwl-4965.h iwl3945-base.c iwl4965-base.c): iwlwifi: removing unused priv->config |
| 16:39.49 | mickey|dinner | hmm |
| 16:39.50 | mickey|dinner | wtf. |
| 16:39.52 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03cooloney 07mokopatches-tracking * rb594272c5e28 10/include/asm-blackfin/ (7 files in 3 dirs): [Blackfin] arch: remove TWI I2C register accessing helper macros, because we moved to use i2c new-style interface |
| 16:39.56 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03tomas.winkler * r8211ef78d902 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (5 files): iwlwifi: refactor init geos function |
| 16:39.56 | ScaredyCat | googlefight CIA-43 Vs goatse |
| 16:39.57 | *** mode/#openmoko [+b %CIA-43!*@*] by Ganneff |
| 16:40.04 | Ganneff | for a little while :) |
| 16:40.05 | teprrr | CM, nope, ubuntu 8.04. had the same problem earlier with 7.10 also. |
| 16:40.06 | Vegar | ah, silence |
| 16:40.10 | ScaredyCat | phew |
| 16:40.30 | teprrr | CM, and fixed it by commenting out that line.. but now I haven't out way to recompile it again.. |
| 16:40.34 | zedstar | was in a trance induced from the scrolling |
| 16:40.34 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: ping |
| 16:40.43 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: uploading image now.... |
| 16:40.48 | tc | I see now the hardware is complete dev work has speeded up ;) |
| 16:40.49 | teprrr | rebuild fetches a new source and thus removes the modification and build-package doesn't either work.. |
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| 16:41.30 | teprrr | but I doubt commenting out that line is the way it should be done.. |
| 16:41.50 | ScaredyCat | teprrr: create a patch to do it... |
| 16:42.03 | CM | teprrr: I had some issue with mtd-utils on 64-bit gentoo before |
| 16:42.08 | ScaredyCat | then cp the .bb to your own overlay |
| 16:42.09 | CM | that's why I asked |
| 16:42.54 | teprrr | CM, yes, this is 64b system though |
| 16:43.02 | mmontour | mwester: I tried some more suspend/resume tests with the "console=ttySAC0" line added, and so far it seems to be working. One step closer to being able to use the Neo as my main phone. |
| 16:43.10 | teprrr | ScaredyCat, hrm |
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| 16:57.36 | *** mode/#openmoko [-b %CIA-43!*@*] by Ganneff |
| 16:57.39 | Ganneff | lets see |
| 16:57.41 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03linville 07mokopatches-tracking * r3480a58a90cd 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (rt2x00.h rt2x00dev.c): rt2x00: fixup some non-functional merge errors |
| 16:57.44 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03akpm 07mokopatches-tracking * r0675abdbfbcb 10/net/mac80211/debugfs_netdev.c: net/mac80211/debugfs_netdev.c: use of bool triggers a gcc bug |
| 16:57.45 | Ganneff | still |
| 16:57.47 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03mabbas 07mokopatches-tracking * rc8381fdcab98 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (iwl-core.c iwl-core.h iwl4965-base.c): iwlwifi: add notification infrastructure to iwlcore |
| 16:57.54 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03mabbas 07mokopatches-tracking * rad97edd2f524 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (9 files): iwlwifi: hook iwlwifi with Linux rfkill |
| 16:57.55 | *** mode/#openmoko [+b %CIA-43!*@*] by Ganneff |
| 16:58.32 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 17:00.54 | Qwell | it's really fun when you have it in an svn post-commit hook, and the bot lags (or dies). your commit hangs too |
| 17:08.46 | ScaredyCat | only if you don;t fork your mesage to the bot |
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| 17:20.02 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1383 has been created by kevin(AT)foreverdean.info |
| 17:20.03 | cdbot2 | * * GSM functions fail after several hours |
| 17:20.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1383 |
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| 17:39.52 | kdean06 | Can anyone quickly tell me what's the proper way to make a JFFS2 image from a rootfs tarball? |
| 17:40.17 | kdean06 | Does it require any -p option, for instance, or just a simple conversion? |
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| 19:03.46 | Sonicadvance | jeez, tons of changes |
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| 19:36.09 | firi | So, a friend comes from USA next week. Me being in Europe has found it quite the chance to get stuff with a 1.56dollars=1euro currency. If you were now to choose between the current mobile-phone models, yes freerunner is not out yet, which one would you get? I was thinking of iPhone which I'm sure that can do quite a few tricks in its own, but hell... it's Apple, it's like paying gold for shit. |
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| 19:36.45 | ewon | firi: an eeepc maybe? |
| 19:36.59 | SpeedEvil | US mobile phone market isn't great. |
| 19:37.02 | Vegar | firi: cheap flash memory |
| 19:37.10 | Vegar | +get |
| 19:37.13 | ewon | I have an HTC TyTnII, it works for me, but the video drivers are pretty shit |
| 19:37.19 | firi | ewon: I'm not really in the need for an Eee, but yes it will be my choice if I don't find something else. |
| 19:37.34 | firi | SpeedEvil: I see |
| 19:37.41 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: I dunno how much flash is in the US - I bought 4G for 13 quid - $25 a couple of months ago. |
| 19:38.06 | Vegar | SpeedEvil: what kind of flash? USB? SD? |
| 19:38.12 | SpeedEvil | microSD |
| 19:38.25 | Vegar | that was cheap |
| 19:38.38 | ScaredyCat | firi: get a load off eepcs and ebay them |
| 19:38.43 | firi | ewon: but...but...but...that has windows on it, doesn't it? |
| 19:39.19 | firi | call me prejudiced but I prefer to stay away |
| 19:39.33 | abraxa_ | firi: If there's nothing you *need*, save your money for later |
| 19:39.33 | ewon | firi: indeed it does. not the best solution, but it was free with an AT&T contract :) |
| 19:40.16 | firi | abraxa_: I can't resist the 1.56=1 chance, and there will be no second time <: |
| 19:40.28 | ewon | firi: seriously, eeepc |
| 19:40.35 | firi | ewon: everything leads there |
| 19:41.02 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:22.06 | ScaredyCat | hhh,,,, |
| 20:22.12 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: downloading your gta02 image now |
| 20:22.18 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 20:22.23 | ScaredyCat | you're still awake? |
| 20:22.28 | woglinde | nope |
| 20:22.31 | rwhitby | no, just woke up |
| 20:22.34 | woglinde | oh |
| 20:22.35 | woglinde | lol |
| 20:22.36 | ScaredyCat | ouch |
| 20:22.37 | woglinde | sorry |
| 20:22.47 | rwhitby | 6am here - young children. |
| 20:22.53 | ScaredyCat | dunks woglinde in custard |
| 20:23.27 | rwhitby | cross-compiled dfu-util for his Freecom FSG-3 router to flash the neo |
| 20:25.41 | ScaredyCat | ! |
| 20:25.56 | rwhitby | finds it very difficult to get into gta02 u-boot menu |
| 20:26.15 | ScaredyCat | is it not the same then? |
| 20:26.22 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: my only physical linux boxes at home are embedded devices ... |
| 20:26.44 | rwhitby | nope, holding in aux while pushing power then releasing aux last doesn't seem to work |
| 20:27.04 | ScaredyCat | maybe you need to stand on one leg too |
| 20:28.36 | rwhitby | hmm - finally got into NOR u-boot menu somehow |
| 20:28.50 | rwhitby | after random combinations of pushing both buttons |
| 20:29.02 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 20:29.20 | rwhitby | flashes scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02 |
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| 20:29.41 | ScaredyCat | wonders if it works |
| 20:29.50 | rwhitby | (and looks on wiki for instructions on accessing u-boot menu on gta02) |
| 20:29.57 | ScaredyCat | shakes mickey|zzZZzz |
| 20:30.04 | ScaredyCat | wakey wakey! |
| 20:30.25 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, Are your Qtopia images working yet? :P |
| 20:30.30 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 20:30.37 | Blastur | rwhitby, didn't you know? the moon must be aligned with planet saturn in order for gta02 to enter u-boot menu |
| 20:30.38 | ScaredyCat | mutters |
| 20:30.44 | Blastur | im sorry if no one told you.. |
| 20:31.01 | rwhitby | Blastur: as a last resort, I read the wiki Getting Started page :-) |
| 20:31.05 | mickey|zzZZzz | rwhitby: |
| 20:31.14 | mickey|zzZZzz | hold power for 1 second |
| 20:31.23 | mickey|zzZZzz | hold aux additionally |
| 20:31.32 | mickey|zzZZzz | release both, when the menu appears |
| 20:31.36 | mickey|zzZZzz | [nand] |
| 20:31.40 | mickey|zzZZzz | for nor: |
| 20:31.41 | rwhitby | mickey|zzZZzz: the 1 second is missing from the wiki page |
| 20:31.43 | mickey|zzZZzz | hold aux |
| 20:31.48 | mickey|zzZZzz | hold power |
| 20:31.54 | mickey|zzZZzz | release aux |
| 20:32.07 | mickey|zzZZzz | g'night |
| 20:32.09 | rwhitby | night |
| 20:33.06 | rwhitby | the trouble is there is no indication of when to start holding aux in the first case, and no indication of when to stop holding aux in the second case. |
| 20:33.49 | rwhitby | so the wiki page will need to be more explicit for the average user |
| 20:34.14 | rwhitby | (which I will do once I work out what the average user should be looking for when doing it) |
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| 20:36.46 | ScaredyCat | ... |
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| 20:45.13 | *** mode/#openmoko [-b %CIA-43!*@*] by Ganneff |
| 20:45.58 | Ganneff | seems to be quiet again. |
| 20:46.00 | *** mode/#openmoko [-o Ganneff] by Ganneff |
| 20:47.33 | rwhitby | sees the scaredycat logo on gta02 for the first time |
| 20:47.44 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 20:48.34 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: did you build a qtopia-x11-image too? |
| 20:48.47 | ScaredyCat | no... not yet |
| 20:48.58 | rwhitby | XorA|gone: should I make mokomakefile build qtopia-image for gta01 and qtopia-x11-image for gta02? |
| 20:49.06 | rwhitby | hehe - love the miaow |
| 20:49.49 | legion_ | mj |
| 20:49.49 | ScaredyCat | hehehe |
| 20:49.51 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat: Do you actually have any cats? |
| 20:50.01 | ScaredyCat | no... |
| 20:50.06 | ScaredyCat | I used to have 3 |
| 20:50.15 | abraxa_ | Ah, so that's why you're so obsessed about them? |
| 20:50.23 | ScaredyCat | now I have one dog... |
| 20:50.32 | ScaredyCat | the other died recently.. :'( |
| 20:50.39 | abraxa_ | Yeah, I read.... =( |
| 20:50.55 | abraxa_ | I do love cat lovers, though ;D |
| 20:50.56 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: the buttons in OM debug need to be bigger so you can finger push them |
| 20:51.03 | ScaredyCat | http://blog.automated.it/2008/04/14/my-ickle-pickle-has-gone/ |
| 20:51.21 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: yeah, I mentioned that to the author |
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| 20:52.02 | ScaredyCat | I asked him to give them names so they could be modified with gtkrc |
| 20:52.13 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: you could change the theme :) |
| 20:52.18 | ScaredyCat | under utils |
| 20:52.25 | ScaredyCat | try the original om one |
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| 20:53.20 | rwhitby | ok, so I need to load gllin on this right? |
| 20:54.15 | ScaredyCat | well, if you drop it on your sd card, it'll auto install on nxt boot |
| 20:54.20 | ScaredyCat | next |
| 20:54.29 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: just the ipkg? |
| 20:54.33 | ScaredyCat | yup |
| 20:55.03 | ScaredyCat | my inages look for it on /media/card/ - if it's there, it gets installed |
| 20:55.07 | ScaredyCat | im |
| 20:55.35 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: ah, hang on - gllin is irrelevant for gta02 |
| 20:55.51 | ScaredyCat | ahh yeah |
| 20:55.53 | rwhitby | hits forehead with palm |
| 20:56.11 | ScaredyCat | muppet :) |
| 20:56.48 | ScaredyCat | does it output to a named pipe? |
| 20:56.53 | ScaredyCat | on the 02 |
| 20:56.59 | rwhitby | no idea yet |
| 20:59.36 | ScaredyCat | I gues you can't tell if it works ok as a phone either? |
| 21:00.00 | ScaredyCat | does it seem noticably quicker than the 01 |
| 21:00.02 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 21:00.07 | rwhitby | nope, doesn't register cause it doesn't do 900MHz (which is required for access in Australia) |
| 21:00.46 | rwhitby | I'll reserve judgement on speed - haven't used GTA01 enough recently (due to it being broken) to do an objective or subject assessment. |
| 21:01.04 | ScaredyCat | so it's still slow then |
| 21:01.35 | rwhitby | "no comment"'s |
| 21:01.48 | rwhitby | (yet) |
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| 21:02.42 | rwhitby | I wonder if there is a "command first-time user customisations" page on the wiki where I would write how to replace ScaredyCat's face with something a bit more palatable ... ;-) |
| 21:02.52 | rwhitby | s/command/common/ |
| 21:03.12 | ScaredyCat | pfff! |
| 21:03.22 | rwhitby | hmm - opkg update fails due to missing signatures |
| 21:03.32 | ScaredyCat | it should still work |
| 21:03.37 | ScaredyCat | just the sigs fail |
| 21:03.39 | rwhitby | probably should be opkg-nogpg by default if no repositories are signed yet. |
| 21:03.54 | ScaredyCat | unless thos has broken opkg |
| 21:04.34 | rwhitby | root@om-gta02:/media/card# opkg list | wc -l |
| 21:04.34 | rwhitby | 386 |
| 21:04.37 | rwhitby | 386 sounds low |
| 21:05.10 | ScaredyCat | hrrm |
| 21:05.25 | rwhitby | that's weird: |
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| 21:05.31 | rwhitby | root@om-gta02:/media/card# opkg --help | grep gpg |
| 21:05.31 | rwhitby | opkg: unrecognized option `--help' |
| 21:05.38 | rwhitby | but "opkg --help" works fine |
| 21:06.12 | ScaredyCat | om-gta02]# ls -c1 | wc -l |
| 21:06.13 | ScaredyCat | 369 |
| 21:06.39 | ScaredyCat | but that's 02 specific stuff |
| 21:07.04 | ScaredyCat | it should see the other stuff too though |
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| 21:07.13 | ScaredyCat | what's in scaredycat.conf |
| 21:07.19 | ScaredyCat | in /etc/opkg |
| 21:07.50 | rwhitby | all, armvt, neo1973, om-gta01, om-gta02 |
| 21:08.27 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: did you build the feed for gta02 as well? |
| 21:08.42 | ScaredyCat | ... :P |
| 21:08.44 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 21:08.51 | rwhitby | tries to work out how to tell opkg not to use sigs ... |
| 21:09.05 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: can you kick off a feed build for gta02 please? |
| 21:09.19 | ScaredyCat | aye |
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| 21:17.19 | rwhitby | Hmm - openmoko-qtopia-x11-image fails to build packagekit |
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| 21:23.51 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: I think we need opkg-nogpg instead of opkg in the image |
| 21:24.12 | ScaredyCat | ~blame thos |
| 21:24.15 | apt | ACTION blames thos (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
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| 21:28.31 | ScaredyCat | evas native is broken for feed rwhitby |
| 21:28.51 | rwhitby | And opkg-nogpg fails to build ... |
| 21:29.07 | rwhitby | This is going to be painful since I don't have write access to openmoko mtn repository ... |
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| 21:29.18 | rwhitby | (so I can't fix anything directlyz) |
| 21:29.40 | ScaredyCat | opkg failing wiht no sig must be a new thing, it used to work fine |
| 21:30.58 | rwhitby | gets frustrated working on projects where he doesn't have write access yet ... |
| 21:33.20 | ScaredyCat | just built opkg-nogpg |
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| 21:38.23 | ScaredyCat | armv4t/opkg-nogpg_0.0+svnr4412-r3_armv4t.ipk and armv4t/libopkg0_0.0+svnr4412-r3_armv4t.ipk on my buildhost rwhitby |
| 21:38.34 | rwhitby | thx |
| 21:40.31 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: in OM2007.2/packages ? |
| 21:40.37 | rwhitby | I don't see opkg-nogpg there |
| 21:41.21 | ScaredyCat | yeah, try now, jumped the gun a little |
| 21:41.54 | ScaredyCat | mm italic |
| 21:45.35 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: that works, thx. Need to -force-overwrite on the opkg-nogpg install |
| 21:46.06 | ScaredyCat | cool |
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| 21:54.23 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: heh - part of the problem was I didn't have masquerading set up on the router the gta02 is connected to, so it wasn't getting the Packages files anyway :-) |
| 21:54.32 | rwhitby | so opkg may well still work |
| 21:55.00 | rwhitby | root@om-gta02:/media/card# opkg list | wc -l |
| 21:55.00 | rwhitby | 7508 |
| 21:55.03 | rwhitby | that's more like it |
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| 22:50.21 | exco | hello everyone |
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| 22:53.13 | exco | if I only get the top panel in OM (the tray with the keyboard, bt, GSM, battery icon) - any ideas on how to fix that using ssh? |
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| 22:56.40 | thseiler | exco: did you try to just reboot the device ? |
| 22:57.38 | exco | thseiler: yes, the thing is I upgraded using ipkg and rebooting I get the same outcome every time |
| 23:03.12 | thseiler | exco: hm, maybe you can try to start the today application via ssh "DISPLAY=:0 openmoko-today2" maybe you get a hint at what is wrong that way... |
| 23:04.17 | SpeedEvil | you can't do that - as you don't have the auth |
| 23:04.29 | SpeedEvil | you need to run xhost + on the GUI |
| 23:04.42 | SpeedEvil | or start the X server again with a switch |
| 23:04.45 | SpeedEvil | -noac? |
| 23:07.07 | thseiler | SpeedEvil: right, I forgot about xhost. |
| 23:08.39 | anrp | xhost + ... |
| 23:08.46 | anrp | mutters something about insecurity |
| 23:09.28 | exco | SpeedEvil, anrp: xhost + (what exactly)? |
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| 23:09.45 | SpeedEvil | xhost + turns off all X access control. |
| 23:09.46 | anrp | "xhost +" turns off access control to the X server |
| 23:10.03 | SpeedEvil | So if you've got other networking than USB-net configured, it's bad. |
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| 23:10.48 | ewon | heh |
| 23:10.52 | exco | I'm using g_ether on the client side |
| 23:11.01 | ewon | what could possibly go wrong |
| 23:11.45 | exco | well... you can't really make it worse atm (and I have a backup of the state before the upgrade ... trial and error) |
| 23:11.52 | anrp | mostly true |
| 23:12.04 | anrp | it could be come self aware and go online! |
| 23:12.07 | anrp | or just go online |
| 23:12.10 | anrp | but that's not as exciting |
| 23:13.19 | exco | anrp: it's already online :-) |
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| 23:13.40 | anrp | ; |
| 23:13.41 | anrp | ;/ |
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